Sarah Palin’s New Frontier

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin will debate Senator Joe Biden tonight.

There are two goals Governor Palin should have.

1. The first goal is to explain to the American voter why John McCain chose her for vice president.

2. The second goal should be to concentrate her fire on Barack Obama.

Why McCain Chose Governor Sarah Palin.

Governor Palin must understand that she was the strongest choice as vice president for John McCain. Governor Palin must communicate that she was the strongest choice as vice president for John McCain to the American voter.

Governor Palin should explain that she was not chosen for her years of experience in Washington. Governor Palin should explain that she was chosen by John McCain to be his partner because John McCain wanted a partner maverick to fight for reform in Washington.

Governor Palin must tell the American people that she is the strongest choice for John McCain because she will fight. She will bring her frontier fighting spirit to Washington

Governor Palin should say that John McCain wanted a fighter from the last frontier – Alaska – to help him fight the varmints in Washington.

Governor Palin should also make clear that she will be fighting for John McCain’s policies. Towards that end Governor Palin should remind voters of some of the policy making gaffes that experienced Joe Biden has made on the campaign trail.

But noting Biden’s gaffes should be a way to demonstrate how Biden substantively disagrees with Barack Obama. Whether on coal or raising taxes or Iraq there are differences between Biden and Obama that Governor Palin should examine.

Of course, Biden has stated Obama lacks the experience to be president and Governor Palin should raise that issue although Joe Biden will doubtless have canned answers to refute his own statements.

Governor Palin could also raise a question that Big Media has protected Obama on. We have written repeatedly on this issue but Big Media has had zero questions (other than a good but never followed up on exchange on CNN). The issue is Obama’s non-vote on Kyl-Lieberman, the legislation labeling the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization.

Obama unfairly attacked Hillary on Kyl-Lieberman. But Obama did not bother to vote on Kyl-Lieberman. Obama talked a lot, but when it came time to vote he vamoosed. Obama had excuses for not voting on Kyl-Lieberman which Joe Biden strongly questioned. “I wonder why he wasn’t there to vote,” Biden said. “We all knew that this vote was coming up.”

Sarah Palin can do the nation a great service and finally get an answer as to why Obama did what he usually does and did not vote on Kyl-Lieberman. “I wonder why he wasn’t there to vote,” Biden said. “We all knew that this vote was coming up.”

Governor Palin should prove she is comfortable answering questions. Governor Palin might point out that she has little experience in dealing with the pampered princes and princesses of Big Media. BUT, Governor Palin should strongly point out that she is not running for vice president to pamper the pampered princes and princesses of Big Media.

Governor Palin should strongly state that she is there to address the needs of the American people and to help implement the policies of John McCain.

But in everything she says tonight Governor Palin should remember her target is Obama not Biden. She can employ Biden as an arrow to hit target Obama. On experience, use Biden’s words to target Obama. On taxes and coal, use Biden’s words to target Obama. On meeting rogue leaders use the Biden arrow to hit target Obama. “World leaders should not meet with other world leaders unless they know what the agenda is, so you don’t end up being used,” Biden said.

Regarding the current economic crisis, Governor Palin should remind Americans that when Obama had to chose between his rich convicted corrupt slumlord friend, Antoin “Tony” Rezko and his own constitutents – Obama protected Rezko and let his constituents freeze. That is how Obama has and would “govern” and Governor Palin should inform Americans of that history and prognosis.

Tonight, once again, Americans will see Governor Sarah Palin in an unflitered format. Sarah Palin will be able to speak directly to voters. The moderator is an Obama supporter and Joe Biden is the Obama running mate. Governor Palin is in for a fight. But to fight is why she was the best choice for John McCain.

Tonight, Sarah Palin has to strap on her guns and be prepared for a shoot-out.

A shoot-out is what a frontier gal is best at.

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656 thoughts on “Sarah Palin’s New Frontier

  1. otoh,
    more on ifill’s bias.

    Brilliant’ Ifill Cousin Scours Palin As ‘Offensive to Black Women’
    Newsbusters ^ | October 2, 2008 | Tim Graham

    Here are more signs Sarah Palin could face an uphill battle with PBS host Gwen Ifill. Professor Sherrilyn Ifill of the University of Maryland Law School, whom Gwen Ifill has lauded as “my brilliant baby cousin,” has written that black women are not buying Sarah Palin’s “false claims to feminism” and is portrayed as too perfect: “when women who are privileged present as though they have it all together, it’s offensive to black women.” (Photo from Soros.com)

  2. basil9 Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
    wbboei,

    so whaddaya think?

    Do they have anything?
    ————————————–
    Time will tell. But on the odds, and given obamas stange background and toxic associations I would have to say yes. The thing I have worried about is whether jm is too much of a gentleman to use it. Depending on what it is I think he will.

  3. Big Media To Get Cut Of Bailout Cash

    I can’t believe taxpayers will be forking over money to the Big Media cartel. But This LA Times article reports that the $700 billion financial bailout package making its way through Congress includes $470 million worth of tax breaks over the next decade for movie and TV employers shooting in the United States.

    The provisions were part of a broad tax extension bill approved earlier by the U.S. Senate and then folded into the revised bailout legislation that passed Wednesday. Don’t get me wrong: it’s an admirable goal to stem runaway overseas production and keep movies and TV being made here at home. Specifically, the legislation would allow filmmakers who shoot in the U.S. to qualify for a tax deduction granted in 2004 to domestic manufacturers like GM, Boeing and Xerox who make their products in the U.S. (It capped the top tax rate at 32% instead of 35%). Additionally, the tax package lifts the budget cap on the existing tax deduction, which was limited to movies that cost less than $15 million and thereby excluded most studio films where the cost of just craft services is that amount. Now producers would be able to immediately deduct all production costs up to $15 million regardless of the movie’s total budget. The change also extends the existing credit, which was due to expire this year, to December 2009.

    You can thank lobbying by the Motion Picture Assn. of America, the Directors Guild of America and the Independent Film and Television Alliance for these breaks. Or not, depending on your POV. Again, congrats to the local paper for exposing what the trades failed to.

    http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/

  4. Admin.> obama must be shown to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, an extension of the chicago machine and wall street interests–not change but more of the same and worse– and his record proves it. John and Sara are about reform and anti corruption their record proves it.

  5. # wbboei Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    The thing I have worried about is whether jm is too much of a gentleman to use it. Depending on what it is I think he will.
    &&&&&&&

    JM wants to win. But he also doesn’t want to get sullied, so third parties (e.g. 527 groups) can do it for him. They’ll handle the “wet work”.

  6. business says yes to bailout, the American people say no…
    guess who will win!

    admin, nice to see you back in flying colors.

  7. w/ref to JM getting out of MI…

    Isn’t Nader from MI?

    I mean if Nnader can what he needs to do, it just make the difference..

  8. Plunging GE Sells Stake To Warren Buffett
    No matter how Jeffrey Immelt spins this $15 billion worth of capital raising, it clearly smacks of a desperation move after Wall Street was losing confidence in the coglomerate’s ability to perform. General Electric, of course, is the parent company of NBC Universal. The breaking news is that GE plans to sell $3 billion of “perpetual preferred” stock to Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, and plans to sell at least $12 billion of stock to the public. It’s a similar deal to what Buffett did last week with Goldman Sachs, which not coincidentally arranged for this GE deal, too. GE’s share price has not only been dropping in recent weeks but was sharply down 7% at one point today.
    Here’s how the stock has done over the past 6 months:

    http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/plunging-ge-gets-warren-buffett-boost/

  9. A senior adviser to Sen. John McCain confirms to CNN that the campaign is “shifting resources” from Michigan to Ohio and Pennsylvania, and “opening up an offensive front” in Maine.

  10. Thank you to the McCain camp for the only REAL laugh I’ve had all day!

    Easily my favorite ad to date!

    (sorry joe, but that’s fucking funny)

  11. “Governor Palin should explain that she was not chosen for her years of experience in Washington. Governor Palin should explain that she was chosen by John McCain to be his partner because John McCain wanted a partner maverick to fight for reform in Washington.”

    Bravo Admin!

  12. I am not worried about tonight. Biden even though he has been in around a dozen debates this year he was never in a one on one debate. Biden’s history of exaggerating and just making crap up will be his undoing tonight. Watching Biden over the years he would be stupid enough to complement Sarah on her outfit or making some off the cuff remark about her looks trying to be funny. It really wouldn’t surprise me if he tries to make some lame joke about Eskimos

  13. Wbboie or OkieAtty
    can ya tell me what this means

    docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/

  14. OBAMA USES TERRORIST’S LAWYER TO FIGHT FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/obama-uses-terr.html

    The plot thickens. The lawsuit Philip Berg filed based on my blockbuster expose of Obama’s birth certificate forgery has taken a bizarre and disturbing twist. Why is a Presidential candidate using a terrorist lawyer. Every allinace, every allegiance, malevolent.

    Barack Hussein has recently admitted to dual citizenship … media yawned, too busy going through Sarah Palin’s trash (at least they are in their own element). How ironic that what we need is a federal elections specialist. Obama is considered an expert in this area having taught it for several years at University of Chicago law school after his stint at ACORN.

    Yid with Lid has it all

    OBAMA is USING TERRORIST’S LAWYER to Defend LAWSUIT Rather than just product the birth certificate (is he trying to hide something?) Obama’s legal team filed a motion to dismiss. One of the Lawyers filing the motion was Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young (see the document below).

    If Mr. Sandler’s name sounds familiar it Should. He is the Leagal Hit Man for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspiritor in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial.

    Sandler’s role for CAIR has been to stifle people from telling the truth about Islam. For example, last year he tried to get Jihad Expert Robert Spencer banned from speaking to the Young American Foundation by using a threatening letter. Sandler followed up by threatening columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.

  15. Hilarious, Diplomatic row coming.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3125120/Exclusive-Barack-Obama-is-aloof-says-British-ambassador-to-US.html

    Exclusive: Barack Obama is ‘aloof’ says British ambassador to US-(Leaked Diplomatic Memo!)

    Barack Obama is a “decidedly liberal” senator “who was finding his feet, and then got diverted by his presidential ambitions”, according to a frank verdict delivered to Gordon Brown by the British ambassador to the United States.

    Sir Nigel Sheinwald, ambassador in Washington since last year, delivered his unvarnished assessment of the White House front runner in a seven-page letter to the Prime Minister, obtained by The Daily Telegraph, just before the Democratic nominee’s visit to Downing Street just over two months ago.

    The candid letter, marked as containing “sensitive judgements” and requesting officials to “protect the contents carefully” gives a remarkable insight into how the Foreign Office views the political phenomenon who stunned Mr Brown’s inner circle by defeating their favourite, Hillary Clinton, in the Democratic primaries.

    Although the picture Sir Nigel paints is a highly complimentary one – Mr Obama’s speeches are “elegant” and “mesmerising”, he is “highly intelligent” and has “star quality” – he also judges that his “policies are still evolving” and that if elected he will “have less of a track record than any recent president”.

    The letter’s contents suggest that Mr Brown could initially find it difficult to deal with a President Obama because he remains a largely unknown quantity who “resists pigeon-holing” and the leak is likely to complicate relations.

    Gotta love some of these excerpts!

    -Charges of elitism “are not entirely unfair” and he is “maybe aloof, insensitive” at times”

    -Sir Nigel had worked hard to dampen down what he viewed as “Obamamania” within Downing Street

    -“Obama’s politics and policies are still evolving,” Sir Nigel wrote.

  16. Great post, admin. Palin was at her best during the RNC convention, and if she gets back to those themes tonight, she’ll just do fine.

  17. Local radio had an update of the NYS Sienna poll and the news ain’t good.

    Bo’s 5 point lead a couple of weeks ago has grown to 22.

    👿 😡 😈

  18. If Ifill doesn’t ask Biden about his own statements that Obama is not qualified to be President, she will prove her bias.

  19. Ifill should recuse herself from moderating this debate. There is such a blatant conflict of interest. It is appalling.

  20. Idunn wanted some laughs:

    Here are some NQ posters lamenting their strained romantic and familial relationships since BO got the nod.

    I hope JM has set money aside for obotomy reversals once he wins the GE.

    👿

    …..Yeah…I’m on barely cordial speaking terms with my own mother who has drunk the koolaid and swallowed the cracker guilt fear pill

    …..My adult nephew rents a suite in my house…I suspect he’s an orange Kool-Aid Cheeto-eater because he has all the BO talking points memorized. I’d throw him the hell out of the house but he’s sick and I need the rent he pays me.

    ….When I meet a guy, I have to ask if he is an Obama supporter. Nip it in the bud right away.

    ….I refuse to date a man that supports Obama.

    ….My Fiance is a rabid Bambi supporter. Thankfully he is on the campaign trail until election day or we would kill each other

    …..My brother in law is a classic middle aged white guilt voter. Doesn’t pay attention. Doesn’t know what the hell 0bama stands for but is voting for the “Democrat.”

    …..I am ready to end most of my relationships with friends who have proven themselves to be idiots

  21. Watching Fox news, Brit Hume, report is one reason the Clintons might being only half heartily campaigning for Barack is because Hil wanted a position on the supreme court and he balked. A Hillary spokesperson denies it. Anyone else catch it?

  22. I have never been this anxious and nervous for a presidential debate in my life. I’m almost afraid to watch it. Hoping and praying she comes out with those guns blazing.

  23. blogs.abcnews.com/liveblogging/2008/10/orrin-hatch-pal.html

    Orrin Hatch: Palin ‘Being Set Up’; Ifill ‘In the Tank’
    October 02, 2008 6:04 PM
    Don’t think Republicans are trying to get some mileage out of

  24. RNC shatters monthly fundraising record

    The RNC raised nearly $66 million in September, breaking its all-time record.

  25. This is good

    GOP wins one: Ohio ordered to accept McCain absentee ballot applications

    blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/10/court_to_secretary_accept_mcca.html

    GOP wins one: Ohio ordered to accept McCain absentee ballot applications Posted by Reginald Fields October 02, 2008 15:13PM Categories: Real Time News The Ohio Supreme Court today ordered Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to accept absentee ballot applications that do not contain a checked box indicating the person is a qualified elector. The applications were mailed to registered Ohio voters by the presidential campaign of Republican Sen. John McCain. But thousands have been returned without a checkmark in a box stating the requester is qualified to vote in Ohio. Brunner, a Democrat, issued a directive last month telling county…

  26. That Supreme Court rumor sounds like garbage. Hillary would rather be in the Senate if she can’t be in the WH. She doesn’t have a background as a jurist anyway.

  27. Well when you think about it, can anyone name me one debate host that hasn’t been in Obama’s camp since the very first debate in the primaries?

    Hillary triumphed in spite on the biased questions and attitudes during the debates. I think Sarah Palin will as well.

  28. Sarah needs to get Bidenmad and mad early, so he’ll become a total gaffe. She should whack him and Obama on voting for the Bridge to nowhere twice diverting funds away from Katrina, being in the pocket of MBNA, his lobbyist ties, his gaffes, and his comments on Obama saying he has no experience.

  29. This supreme court promise is everywhere on the net.

    This an attack from Obama himself on Hillary because of Bill’s comments and their reluctance, he thinks he doesnt need her now or her supporters and is he trying to make it look like she is demanding things from Obama.

    Obama is sidelining her already and trying to do it publically, he better not start a war because we’ll have her back, bambi and we’ll shit on you from a great height.

  30. moononpluto Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
    This supreme court promise is everywhere on the net.

    —————————————————————————————————-

    Moon: It is the echo chamber, and the work of BO’s nutzroots. Remember, he has hundreds of paid bloggers. This is an attack.

  31. jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-conflicts-of-interest-at-nbc.html

    More Conflicts of Interest at NBC
    As anyone with a pulse knows, NBC News has tilted so far to the left this election season they’ve done everything but dress up their on-air news “talent” in cheerleader outfits with an Obama logo on them.

    Now comes word that with the current economic crisis, a couple more glaring conflicts are causing concern.
    NBC is under fire for having correspondent Andrea Mitchell cover the economic crisis because she’s married to former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan – but some people are also wondering about David Gregory, who has a show, “Race for the White House” on MSNBC. Gregory is married to Beth Wilkinson – who until a month ago was general counsel, executive vice president and corporate secretary for mortgage giant Fannie Mae, which is now being investigated by the FBI.
    Everyone knows Mitchell is married to Greenspan, but he’s no longer Fed chair and you can probably cut her some slack. But as for Gregory, his obvious conflict of interest should preclude him from reporting on any matters related to Fannie Mae. When the time comes, as it should, that former Fannie Mae officials are indicted or brought forth to testify before Congress, will NBC even mention Wilkinson is married to one of their star reporters?

  32. Birdgal, this is classic Obama, he is removing her from the position to do anything, he thinks he is in such a good position to win now that he doesnt need the clintons.

    This is very fishy, he’s making it look like she is demanding payment for service but it undermines himself because this will backfire badly.

  33. Judge freezes $105,000 of Rezko’s money]

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/1196949,rezkomoney100108.stng

    A federal judge on Wednesday froze $105,207 belonging to Antoin ”Tony” Rezko, saying the money may be needed if she orders him to forfeit a big chunk of his assets as punishment for masterminding political corruption.

    *snip*

    Rezko, a major fundraiser for Gov. Rod Blagojevich and Sen. Barack Obama, was convicted in June of mail fraud, wire fraud, aiding and abetting bribery and attempted extortion. He was immediately jailed, freeing up the bond money.

  34. media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmFmNDI0MTk2MTk5YTExNjJjYTQ4MzBiOTBlZDBhYTY=
    Media Coverage, Pre-Crisis [Greg Pollowitz]

  35. BTW, I’m beginning to wonder if the GOP really doesn’t have any smoking gun on Obama. It’s getting awfully late in the campaign, and we’ve seen nothing.

  36. Memo (PDF): h t t p : / / facethestate.com/downloads/coda-web/strategygroup.pdf

    DEMOCRACY ALLIANCE MEMO DETAILS DEM PLAN TO “EDUCATE THE IDIOTS” AND TARGET MINORITIES

    October 1, 2008
    Face The State Staff Report

    In a confidential internal memorandum obtained by Face The State (PDF), the Colorado Democracy Alliance outlines a roster of “operatives” who worked for Democratic victory in the 2006 general election. The document outlines specific tasks for various members of the state’s liberal infrastructure, including a campaign to “educate the idiots,” assigned to the state’s AFL-CIO union. Among the operation’s intended targets: “minorities, GED’s, drop-outs.”

    Individuals named in the document, marked “CONFIDENTIAL,” “for internal use only,” and “DO NOT DISTRIBUTE,” are high-level elected Democrats including House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, former Senate President Joan Fitz-Gerald, as well as Gov. Bill Ritter’s press aide and former campaign chief Evan Dreyer. All are specially marked as “off-the-record or covert.”

    Mentioned as a “critical contact” was Dominic DelPapa, a partner at Ikon Public Affairs. DelPapa was at the center of recent controversy stemming from the February leak of a confidential memo he authored detailing a multi-million dollar “foot on throat” attack on Republican U.S. Senate candidate Bob Schaffer, among others.

    More….

    h t t p : / / facethestate.com/articles/democracy-alliance-memo-details-dem-plan-educate-idiots-and-target-minorities

  37. Oh Bill O’Reilly is going after Barney Frank tonight, WOW I am watching the preview. I’m not much of a O’Reilly fan but that might be worth watching.

  38. Its October where is the suprise

    patdollard.com/2008/09/is-husseins-convicted-buddy-rezko-spilling-his-guts-to-the-feds/
    Rezko courthouse visits fuel rumors he’s talking

  39. Paula Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    BTW, I’m beginning to wonder if the GOP really doesn’t have any smoking gun on Obama. It’s getting awfully late in the campaign, and we’ve seen nothing.
    ….
    I still say it’s about timing…

    most campaigns don’t start airing the heavy stuff until just before an election..they don’t want the otherside to have time to rebut it.

  40. I am seeing 520s here in Florida. Alot of them. Playing right now is one from right change.com and its about rasing taxes during an economic crisis. There was an Ayers one but I think Obama did a good job of scaring the networks so no one would play it.

  41. off subject

    was in texas tuesday for a construction review meeting with the head honcho. walked into his office where i proceeded to layout the drawings on his conference table and, lo and behold, sitting smack-dab in the middle of the table was a pencil-cup filled with writing utensils AND a hillary nut-cracker.

    i asked him if it would be ok if i moved hillary off the table while we reviewed the plans.

    sarah-p….kick some ass tonight.

  42. alcina Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Should have grabbed it and proceeded to crack his nuts with it!

  43. ‘Your stupidity gets in the way of an intelligent conversation!’

    ROTF!!!

    That was barney’s line and TTTT O’Reilly was friggin’ obnoxious. WTF didn’t he go after BO like that?

    Plus he’s got Barney’s volume down low. Bill is a bully.

    Barney has a point. Bill’s an a$$. bill calls barney a coward but he’s the coward for tucking his friggin tail between his legs and licking BO’s a$$. I felt sorry for Barney.

  44. Ah-ha look what I found. No wonder McCain looks relaxed. You know his people have pulled these polls apart.

    Cooking with AP: Polls Radically Change Party Mix to Fabricate an Obama Trend
    By Tom Blumer
    Created 2008-10-02 06:26
    In the kitchens of the Associated Press, it’s almost as if the wire service asked its chief cook — er, pollster — GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media, to do the following:

    Whip up a tasty, representative poll after the Republican Convention.
    Three weeks later, make the same dish, but this time adjust the mix of ingredients by radically oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans, thereby creating a false illusion of momentum in the campaign of Barack Obama, and of decline in John McCain’s.
    Hope people don’t notice the changes in the recipe.
    Of course we don’t know if the differences between AP-CfK’s Sept. 5-10 and Sept. 27-30 results were created deliberately, but the results sure look suspicious (both polls are available at PDF links found at AP-GfK’s home page [1]).

    The more recent poll shows Obama with a 7-point lead among likely voters, both with and without leaners; the earlier poll showed McCain with a 5-point lead with leaners, and 4 points without.

    Almost all of this 12-point swing (11 points with leaners) is more than likely almost completely due to major differences between the two polls’ samples:

    read the rest, has graphs….newsbusters.org/node/24852/print
    I am assuming this might be accurate??

  45. Lin67, told you all so, The MSM has been cooking these polls and the McCain camp knows it, thats why theres no panic, even i can see when you dig deep in the details of them, one of the numbers add up.

    The latest PPP for NC was rificulous, it had over 50% sample for Dems and about 30% sample of Repubs and McCain was still in the high 40’s.

    The polls were hooey for Hillary and they are Hillary now. The only poll that counts is Nov 4th, they can make up whatever they like right now.

  46. agreed pluto, but as you know, perception is everything. if B-HOle is perceived to be winning, many people will believe it.

  47. Don’t know, republican voters tend to be the ones who always come out in large numbers and now they feel threatened, it’ll be even bigger.

  48. hi moononpluto…your right they were hooey for hillary..
    but do you notice now like bill hemmer and megan kelly..they now had a person in pa…and was telling about how mccain was ahead and recently when someone favors mccain they loose the video feed i have seen it from fox now about six times..lol..and all the news reporters do that and hemmer says oh well we try and get him back on ..he never did ..

    also i thinlk biden will mess p if he had a few drinks today lol..

  49. moon, hope so. i am thinking there may be an enormous backlash from repubs who feel palin is being picked on. may they turn-out by the thousands november 4th.

  50. henry,
    sorry. 😳

    lin and moon,
    I saw that article this morning. thought i posted it…..it did make me feel better and moon, it supports everything you’ve said.

    fwiw – dickie toe-sucker predicts BO has peeked too soon, will be up by 10 Monday and will then go into free fall.

  51. I just hope enough people doesn’t fall for this and think that its over so why vote. Which is why they are doing this. I didn’t think it made much sense. In Tampa you have AAs mad at BO, showing up in large groups protesting Obama rallies. For every one Obama sign you see 3 McCain. And this is not a conservative part of Florida. And all this stuff on the internet, and a good part from lifetime democrats, it just didn’t make sense that he would be that far ahead. I wonder if BO really thinks he’s that far ahead.

  52. # moononpluto Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Don’t know, republican voters tend to be the ones who always come out in large numbers and now they feel threatened, it’ll be even bigger.

    —————————-

    My gut feeling as well, better polls for Obama, higher turnout from the republicans..

  53. dickie toe-sucker is going to think he is right when the polls have been cooked all along and he was never right. BO hasn’t peeked, he’s still behind according to that.

  54. the media is a bunch of liars like obama and biden..you cannnot believe that media all of them ..there full of it they mkae up so much crap and lie to the American people about politics..
    I hope sara goes after therm and tells the truth about this tax crap that obama wants ..and we will live on the streets the middle class and the poor will not survive if he ever becomes a cic.

  55. even if palin has a few miss-steps, we still have an entire month to make up time. in political terms, that is an eternity.

    before i sign-off….go sarah. be cool, just be yourself.

  56. palin asked Biden if she could call him “Joe” – she probably didn’t realize her mic was on.

  57. Palin going the route of the six pack Joe -she said ask any parent at their kids soccer game if they feel Ok about the economy, and you’ll hear “fear.”

  58. Biden looked coiled for a second there wanting to respond to Palin’s charge about corruption on Wall Street.

  59. Palin appears confident and strong. Biden is coming across well too. Both of them are taking to heart Bill Clinton’s adage “Better to be strong and wrong than weak and right.”

    What Palin has to do is give Americans an impression of what kind of leader she is (and that she is in fact a leader).

  60. LJ, he is laughing at her but she is doing the smart thing and playing her own game not his nor Ifill’s.

  61. Thanks to all of you for the pbp.

    I’m too nervous to watch. PTSD from all the debates with Senator Clinton and the 👿 moderators.

  62. she’s saying how can we trust gov to handle health care when we’re in the mess were in.

    She’s got Biden on the defensive

  63. Christ she’s doing what she does best, talk to the people, Biden looks a bit pissed that he thought this may be easy.

  64. uh-oh

    joe’s starting to stumble – can’t remember if he’s talking about BO or JM.

    Sarah . . . be kind. ROTF

  65. neeta,

    she’s holding her own and then some

    nice thing about running with jm is he doesn’t say one thing to one groups and another thing to another group

  66. your running mate gave those oil companies those tax breaks – he voted for it – i had to address that in alaska

    bkless their hearts – the oil monopolies aren’t my biggest fans

    loly

  67. Great hit by Palin. For too long Obama has gotten away with denouncing the Energy Bill when he actually voted for the Cheney Energy Bill. McCain voted against it. Hillary would bring this up but Big Media continued to ignore the Obama hypocrisy.

  68. No Canaan, Obama has not reneged on Universal Healthcare. This is because Obama never had a universal health care plan. However, Obama is already reneging on his plan which leaves out at least 15 million Americans.

  69. i think joe’s in shock . . . .

    he agrees with windfall profits tax sp has in alaska giving everyone 1000 bucks – we’d like to do the same but jm doesn’t support that

  70. Canaan,

    I thought he said with this bail out practically all of his promises were not on the chopping table.

  71. Finally freddie and fannie, I was getting upset with all the wallstreet greed, what about senate greed????? Good she named that.

  72. joe is starting to flounder – his expressions are getting rubbery

    bo and i disagreed – but here’s the deal -….

    bo saw the glass as half full i saw it as half empty – wtf?

  73. joe has no facial control – clown faces –

    sarah’s journalism background showing – facing the camera – direct – smiling

    i wonder if those recent interviesw with couric and gibson weren’t a deliberate rop-a-dope to throw dems off the trail – she’s quite good.

  74. This is fun, love the way he had to agree that she did well in Alaska and reformed, he backed her up, lol.

  75. oh jeeeezzzz

    that’s why the polar ice caps are melting …..

    biden’s heart is not in this the way palin’s is

    she’s an excellent surrogate for jm

  76. NewMexicoFan Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
    I have to admit, when Admin is live, it really makes this much more interesting

    ——————
    thats a big ditto!

  77. i am depending on you guys, to fill me in.
    i watched for 10 minutes, than started feeling queezy… i dont know why i am so nervous….

    anyway, thanks for the blow by blow…

  78. drill baby drill!!!!!

    ROTF!

    sarah’s nailing it!

    Clean green natural gas…..
    she says bo has turned down every domestic answer to energy program – you said we were raping the land – you talked about little foot prints – you said there was no such thing as clean coal – joe is giggling – now he forgot what they’re talking about ….

  79. skmf12 Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    the smile hasn’t left my face…actually I like them both but I’m not giving my vote to NO/B

  80. Debbie, it looks like Biden is beginning to genuinely respect Governor Palin. He is learning why she has “Barracuda” as a nickname.

  81. When Palin was first announced as a VP choice, there was a diary on MYDD, from someone who had worked on Palin’s opponent’s team, during Palin’s run for Governor. This writer said, “Do not underestimate this woman. People have made this mistake before.” Hopefully, this debate will attest to this statement.

  82. yep i rem you saying that neetabug playing possum she is good and looking at the camera to the people for the people

  83. Admin, she is a women brought up in a competitive environment (basketball team), and she can handle this pressure. That is all she has to prove tonight, that she knows the subject matter, and that she can take the pressure.

  84. she is so passionate – she beleives in what she says –

    she is an authentic spokesperson

    joe’s face keeps falling
    BO and I agree on ONE thing?’

  85. rjk1957, Palin did what she should have done – she mentioned the differences between Biden and Obama on Iraq and the surge.

    Don’t be nervous. She’s doing fine. She’s already shown she is capable. The rest of the debate is just talk.

  86. i love how dems and repubs both agree that i don’t have a right to get married. great place to find common ground. ::rolls eyes:::

  87. we will end the war for jum there is no end

    your words a are a white flag of surrender
    you opposed the surge the surge worked and bo stil can’t admit it

    our commanders on the ground will tell us when we have reached victory

    you said you supported jm and you said you would have like to run with jm on the ticket and you also said bo wasn’t ready to be CIC and how can you support BO with a son in the national guard

    hoe can BO support for cutting off funding for the troops

  88. gwen asks which is more dangerous iraq or afghanistan but biden starts talking about pakistan????

    wtf – did he forget the question?

  89. I wish palin would say but senator biden – you voted for the war…correct?

    biden keeps criticizing mccain, but he voted to go in to, correct?

    she needs to nail him

  90. sorry – met iran

    now palin saying iran can’t get nukes – quotes ahmdinejad saying israel is a stinking corpse – she mentions chavez, all the other guys and says bo’s remarks he would meet them without precondition is naive

  91. these dictators who hate america and what we stand for those who would destroy us cant be dealt with by sitting down with no precondition

    diplomacy is important –

  92. Has anyone else noticed how Biden smiles down at Palin when she answers like she is a first grader and also smirks and keeps looking at Ifill as if they are in cohoots..like…listen to this little girl…we grown ups know better.

  93. I heard in an interview before the debate that she talked with Gibson for 2 hours, more then half was cut out. That’s a lot. I also heard she was very good, but the few times she hesitated, those are the one he showed, and he edited it so her answer was actually to a question he asked 2 questions ago, which is why she looked incoherent. She is incredibly good. Brace for the hits, they are going to really attack now.

  94. Sarah is coming across as much less polished, but in an “everywoman/everyman, you can relate to me, I see things like you do” kind of way. That’s good.

  95. Biden is lecturing, i dont like how he comes across.

    But the big story is, they wanted her to fail and she raised her game by a mile. America will be impressed.

  96. I think he’s smiling so much cause he was told to be nice, and he thinks that’s what nice people do.

    He’s floundering a bit. Its mainly the same talking points we always hear from him. She has some talking points too, but its more natural and less of them.

  97. lol cannan related to hillary how about hillary and palin on the ticket..then America will be all the better lol..hill ofr pres and her vp…

    Time for the women to take over lol..these men for 200 years hasnt done anything for us lol.

  98. i’m so encouraged we both love israel, senator bidenl.

    for a tciket that wants to talk about change and the future there’s too much finger pointing and looking backwards

  99. I would like to see Palin have a follow up after biden makes his remarks…that leaves too much up in the air without a response

    biden had follow ups at the beginning…she cannot leave herself open

  100. lol

    she loves saying kim jou you

    can we talk about afghanistan for a second . . . hehehehe

    bo says we’re air-raiding villages and killing civilians – that’s a reckless statement and defeats our cause

  101. The best thing, FO is his strong suit and she would not beat him on it, but by god, she is holding her own.

  102. debbie – agreed. he is strong on foreign policy, and it would be good if she indicates that – she can’t go toe to toe with joe on that. watching the CNN monitoring of Ohio undecideds and men responding better than women to Palin in general.

  103. I don’t give this round to Biden because he has insider information being a Senator…Palin is still holding her own on a subject that is Biden Strength.

    Have they talked about any economic or domestic issues since I just came into the debate 15 mins ago.

    Seems Joe Biden is getting upset that Palin is not lying down at his feet.

  104. joe comes across as the prez candidate

    Sarah
    it’s so obvious i’m a washingtom outsider

    you’re sayng i was for it before i said i was against it and people want straight talk – you had supported jm until this election and opposed BO and you also opposed BO in the debates

  105. Oooooo, Sarah hitting Joe on how he suddenly thinks Obama is right…but she WATCHED the debates during the primaries, and he didn’t think so then.

    LMAO!!

  106. how would a biden adminstration be different from a bo administration –

    i don’t get that question

    funny thing is these two are having a better debate than the prez debate. but joe starts sneering and lecturing and talkin like he’s speaking to kids

  107. LMAO! Joe now tries to be like ordinary Sarah, because he goes to Home Depot. Sorry, Joe, you are not going to win the “who is more ordinary” contest against this woman.

  108. walk with me in my neighborhood?

    Where joe? In Connecticut.
    Sarah:
    Say it ain’t so joe
    you keep going backwards
    now doggone it lets talk about the truth
    your wife’s a teacher
    i come from a family of teachers
    shout out to my parents

  109. This moderator is showing her bias big time….all this time of Foreign Policy and now just talking about Alaska.

    Energy Policy right now

    She kills me with her zingers.hehehe

  110. iffill
    l
    ifill says sarah didn’t know what the vp does and joe said he would never be vp
    what do you now think about vp

    sarah says well it was our attempts at a lame joke and no one got it

  111. I kind of wondering it that is a mistake, spending all this time on foreign policy, when the people are interested in what is happening to the economy.

    I know they are doing it because they think it is Biden’s strong suit, but if the voters are not that interested in it at this point, I would think this would be a mistake.

  112. Ooooo….Joe just talked about being in the room for all Obama’s decisions. Then he realized what he said and added: He’d be president, not me….

    Joe just made it very clear that he is propping up the noob.

  113. set-up

    i agree ifill stayed on foreign policy to help joe
    now she’s talking about cheney

    ifill’s a bytch

  114. we are not a perfect nation but we are based on a perfect ideal

    joe says he aint’ gonna change – he’s been doing this for 30 years

  115. Bidens a stuffed shirt senator, people hate that, she’s fresh, new exciting and totally the opposite of what the msm has painted her, they are going to have to back track like mad.

  116. debbie Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
    give this round to Biden
    ***************

    NO WAY

    SAY IT AN’T SO JOE T-SHIRT COMING RIGHT UP,
    RIGHT NEXT TO “STAND UP CHUCKY”

  117. joe keeps going through a laundry list of accomplishments

    it’s boring

    he did good on saying he’s a dad knows about kids

    sarah’s getting tired

  118. pm,

    think so,

    didn’t see it but herad it

    joe mad sarah calls jm a maverick – he sounds like a friggin bully –

  119. Biden admitted he’s not going to change…whats that gonna do to the CHANGE NObama says he’s gonna bring???

  120. I have seen Biden talk about his first wife and daughter several times and he chokes up everytime making me think he can cry on cue. Even a person telling the saddest story after a while gets use to saying it and does not choke up the way he does. He should be nominated for an emmy.

  121. i think lotts of americans want new people in that white house…and she is new and isnt apart of washington and that is going to go againt biden..and she is smart too..
    and a explainer like Our hillary..

  122. You are right CJ, and they know it, MSM et al, and that is why they attacked her so hard. She threatened them and their plans.

  123. Palin says she has always been proud to be an American. 🙂 We immediately pictured Michelle lunging towards the TV to strangle Palin.

  124. she likes debates like this without the filter of the msm and speak directly to the citizens.

    LMAO!

    I know what the problems are, the difficulties are AND i know what the joys are – i have always been proud to be an american

    there’s only one man in this race who has ever really fought for this country and that’s john mcCain.

    wtf did ifill make palin go first again?

  125. Im very dissapointed in Gwen Ifill see did like “Timmeh” did had Palin go first and concentrated most of the question to Joe Biden strength…it didn’t work and Joe Biden was the one to break first.

  126. Big Media pundits might or might not attack her performance tonight – but we suspect she did very well with undecided voters and small town America.

  127. that f**ing couric says the headline is gonna be that palin didn’t embarrass herself ..

    that god@mn motherf**in Bytch . . .

  128. admin Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    Palin says she has always been proud to be an American. We immediately pictured Michelle lunging towards the TV to strangle Palin.

    * * * *
    LMAO!

  129. Canaan Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    I’m in love with a Republican woman. That’s change.
    —————————————–

    Finally, change we CAN believe in.

  130. I thought that Ifill did a good job actually. it was probably beneficial for Palin to have Biden go first, it allowed her to prep.

  131. I did not get to see but the closing statements, so you all said she knocked out of the park, THAT IS GREAT!!

  132. Basil9, the debate might or might not be a game changer but Palin did very well and dispels most if not all of the bad press she received these past few weeks.

    Palin did what we suggested (though we wish she would have mentioned Kyl-Lieberman) and she did it very well.

    The debate was polite and substantive with almost no gotcha questions. We did not learn much on issues but Palin gave a big boost to nervous Republicans and McCain/Palin supporters.

  133. She is one tough cookie. her instincts are great. Rough around the edges but that can be addressed with a few years under her belt. I am happy for her.

  134. Admin, I think that Palin or her rep reads big pink.

    It really does not matter what the media thinks, it is those undecided voters that matter. They pull the lever in the next few weeks, and in November.

  135. What are some of the zingers that she said?? DId she nail Obama a little?? Joe does not look like a happy man. Sarah looks happy though!

  136. Not exactly the stereotype big media has been feeding the American people this past three weeks now was it. They have been caught once again in yet another lie.

  137. Canaan,

    I think you are right. I don’t know if McCain intended to do that, but I really think it will help with the Same Old Stuff.

  138. lol, this debate is going to pay dividends for McCain, she is the attack.

    The big question for voters tonight was :

    Did she convince people she was ready, I think she answered Hell yes, she went toe to toe with a 35 yr Senator who’s a foreign policy buff and whalloped him hard.

    Experienced, hell yeah, this is the sort of woman who gets results.

  139. alcina Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 pm
    i don’t get msnbc anymore. what are they saying??? i hope they’re shitting their drawers

    Did Tweety get a tingle up his leg??

  140. Now does everyone get why they were crapping themselves when McCain picked her, they saw her debates performances and thought, oh fuck. Biden clearly was not comfortable many times. Her 1 test and she passed with huge flying colours.

  141. It’s the authenticity, people. Agree with her on everything or not, people get the sense that she knows what it is like to be an average American.

  142. on Msnbc Chris Mathews, they are talking about stop loss, didn’t take any damage, did better than was expected, people thought she might faint on the stage. Kit Bond though (repub) says it was more than a stop loss, of course he’s right. Oh here we go, the vice pres should have more power. I knew that was going to be pulled out of it. They are trying to downplay it.

    McCaskil, again more power for vice, she was confused, constitution gave her extra powers, and back to JM is George Bush. Oh gosh McCaskil is complaining cause she didn’t answer the nuclear button question, come on she’s been doing this for 5 weeks, she shouldn’t have answered that. Ok I can’t take this channel anymore.

    Expect them to attack the more powers for VP thing.

  143. Remember, people in Alaska have been saying, “Do not underestimate this woman.” Sounds like she proved that statement, once again.

  144. Line of the night for me was

    “Obama has asked me to sit in on all his major decisions”

    That was a cardinal gaffe of epic proportions. Biden says Obama needs help and babysitting.

  145. JanH
    Have to wait for them to show the score cards again. Begula had it narrowly Biden and could not see the name of the other that thought Biden won. Jon King and Rollins had Sarah winning.

  146. you know what I think one of her biggest strength is…

    …she leaves you wanting more…

    she is interesting, and you get a sense of hope from her…

    the dems are all yelling and doom and gloom

  147. Biden fucked up when he agreed Sarah was a reformer and did good things in Alaska with big oil and taxes, he basically handed her the maverick reformer name to her on a plate.

    He screwed over his argument.

  148. admin she is to reading here or her someone..i hope hillary loves her too i think she does..that fraud obaabiden..and lol lunkheads cnn..im lmao..
    im glad your her admin because that mcaskill n fox another fraud…and biden and obaa the no policys but same old polictiicans who lie..

  149. funny post on noquarter: 🙄

    *******
    Comment by Medusa | 2008-10-02 21:54:55

    CNN is predictable. Don’t have to tell you that the koolaid Borgs starting voting before the debate began. Totally OUT of proportion.

    OMG, I just looked up and saw Donna Brasilla on TV. Scared the bejeezus out of me. Thought she was gonna give my vote to Bozo before i even cast it.

  150. Claire McSkill is saying that “they” gave Palin a pass and were protecting her. Of course NO ONE has ever protected BO and Obama has always given crips, straight answers when questioned. You bet, Claire.

  151. CNN is predictable. Don’t have to tell you that the koolaid Borgs starting voting before the debate began. Totally OUT of proportion.
    —————————————————————
    probably 70% from overseas as well–not even us citizens

  152. What is with that woman McSkill, is she in love with O? I remember during the primaries, she state O had her in tears.

  153. I visited CNN and MSNBC and their faces tell you alot…Palin won.

    So Matthew said the new meme is going to be…is those her ideas or is she just a great memorizer.

    You can see Bret & Charles on FoxNews finding excuses why she won’t effect the polls number….can you guess?

    The Economy is Obama strength … Hell no, the bailout is not going to be pass next week…so the Democrats can demagogue on this issue.

  154. Claire McSkill is the product of too much inbreeding.

    I bet you she is wiping her brow now that she did not have to step in the ring and go nose to nose and toes to toes with baracuda.

    McCaskill is also living proof that it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.

  155. another cute but true comment:
    ***********

    Comment by Jackie | 2008-10-02 21:38:54

    Fox says Palin did good–and she held her own against Biden–

    and like Ginger Rogers she did it in Heels.

    Reply to this comment
    Comment by AnnieCarmel | 2008-10-02 21:47:42

    Ginger did the same dance as Fred only in high heels and backwards. Thanks to the Late Great Ann Richards.

  156. I bet there were more viewers this evening then for McCain and Obama only simply because people are intrigued by Palin and continues to be awed by this fine lady whereas the Obama-madness has been fading and FAST

  157. They know she won’t effect the poll numbers because they are going to be fixed.

    But wait until Election Day that will tell the story

  158. You can see Bret & Charles on FoxNews finding excuses why she won’t effect the polls number….can you guess?
    —————————————————————–
    it wont affect their numbers
    theyll see to that
    but it may affect the internals

  159. Bambi is absoutely fascinated by her. She is a threat who can expose him for what he is and he hates that. I bet his people are furious with Biden–but bambi could not have done any better.

  160. The best part is her closing speech, very simple and to the point: Freedom can not pass through blood stream, freedom has to be fought by every generation.

  161. Howdy All……

    AWESOME DEBATE TONIGHT!! WooooooooooooHooooooooooooo!!!

    GO McCain/Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I had all the same thoughts tonight as all of you have posted above…..
    Joe definately looked angry at times and he lied repeatedly……Bastard!!…..”Say it ain’t so JOE” LMAO!! I want that shirt!! (ps. .. hubby’s name is Joe too 😀 )
    “”

  162. I think Brit Humes over tries to be unbiased and fair and comes across like he’s in the case for Obama. He is very conservative. When they have him as a guest and ask his personal opinion its obvious.

  163. “….in high heels and backwards…” That’s what we said about our BEST girl, Hillary. But, I was very excited that Sarah did so well. I hope Hillary was, too.

  164. I want to text Fox from my cell phone only I don’t know how..it says to send it to 36288

    can one of you help me

  165. Big media was banking heavily on the incompetence argument. Tonight’s performance takes that argument away from them and bambi. And it defines change to mean reform rather than business as usual which masquerades as something new and different.

  166. you know, i think that most people who genuinely support Obama because he seems to represent the fresh outsider can’t really like Biden’s performance…he just represents the washington establishment and looked and talked like it tonight.

  167. debbie, i just text fox

    all i did was put the posted number 36288 in as the phone number your sending the text to

    and then in the message field i typed B Palin!!!!! then clicked on send

  168. I think Sarah really reassured Irael and jews tonight, she came out swinging for them.

    She’s a pistol, i like her, one thing is, when she talks, you actually really believe her.

  169. money.cnn.com/2008/10/02/news/companies/insurance_stocks/index.htm

    Reid should be smacked or censured, his remarks are dealing blows to the stock market

    Insurers dive on Reid’s ‘bankrupt’ quote
    Comments from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid about a ‘major insurance company’ on the verge of bankruptcy send already hard-hit stocks sharply lower.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Several big life insurance stocks fell sharply Thursday, dragged down by jitters about their role in the credit crisis and fears sparked by a comment from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Wednesday about a potential bankruptcy in the industry.

    “We don’t have a lot of leeway on time. One of the individuals in the caucus today talked about a major insurance company. A major insurance company — one with a name that everyone knows that’s on the verge of going bankrupt. That’s what this is all about,” Reid said prior to the Senate’s approval of the $700 billion bailout bill.

    Steven Schwartz, an analyst who covers insurance companies for Raymond James & Associates, said that even before Reid made his bankruptcy comment, investors were growing worried about life insurers’ exposure to real estate as well as “secondary exposure” via investments in troubled finance firms like Lehman Bros, Wachovia and Washington Mutual.

    But the comment from Reid clearly caused even more fear.

    “Harry Reid didn’t help any,” Schwartz said.

  170. CJ, Waserman and at least two other Dems tonight are repeating the same two talking points:

    1) Palin was coached, she showed she can “memorize answers”

    2) McCain is Bush

    It is coming across really lame. The people saw what they saw.

  171. Reid is an ass. They WANT the market to tank to help bambi. I’m convinced of it. Fucking bastards.

  172. Biden had 14 clear lies tonight

    minx.cc/?post=274757

    JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

    1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

    4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

  173. {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…

    BIDEN

    25% 35,721
    PALIN

    73% 102,307
    NEITHER

    2% 2,611

    Total Votes: 140,639

  174. Hannity just bet Wasserman $10,000 that BO said that our troops in Afghanistan killed civilians and burned villages.

  175. lol, coached, seriously, if she can remember that whole debate and all that, then she’s amazing, what rubbish, is Obama coached, he couldnt even remember peoples names.

  176. I thought it ironic that Palin made a reference to freedom we had to fight for, just like hillary did in her speech she was forced to give before the convention vote. I am beginning to believe that these really are sumliminal messages. How about that one at the beginning of admin’s latest post. All are saying we need to fight for our freedom or we will get to tell our grandchildren what it was like to be free!

  177. Confloyd, I agree – we do need to fight for our freedom. How excellent – “the ticket for the future.”

  178. Lin67 Says: I just hope enough people doesn’t fall for this and think that its over so why vote.
    =======

    I think BO’s kids and winos and such are more likely to get overconfident and stay home than the GOP voters — or us.

  179. i like this comment:

    *****

    Comment by Typical White Sweetie | 2008-10-02 22:03:48

    MSNBC SAYS PALIN IS A DRAG ON THE TICKET…

    YEAH! THE OBAMA TICKET!

  180. Well I live and breathe

    Dick Morris Just said Palin is unbelievable and the new reagan. He says we have seen a new superstar.

    Morris Just Said Palin has connected in a Way not Seen Since Reagan

  181. alcina..lol…

    so thats what they do Hfor texas just keep with those 2 talking points so they can, try to change peoples minds and i do agree it is lame bcause the American people wach it and saw it..I wonder how many viewrs tonight..
    and dick morris jumping on alan combs tonight god for dick toe morris..

  182. Windfall profits, she missed a shot. Everyone watns to do windfall profits, but she made up an oil company tax plan that automatically adjusts as the oil company profits go up and down so the state is always getting something, not just during windfalls. According to that good article “Palin governs from the center”

  183. looked over at the poll msnbc so far 316044 responses no surprise here 57% Biden, 37% Palin

    I think thats a lot of responses…bet they allow double votes

    CNN
    Sen. Joe Biden 71% 99000
    Gov. Sarah Palin 25% 35436

    how did msnbc get that many responses so fast when they get less viewers

  184. Indiana Voter fraud and you guessed it, ACORN

    County rejects large number of invalid voter registrations

    nwi.com/articles/2008/10/02/news/lake_county/doc5399904569d23a75862574d600010e55.txt

    CROWN POINT | Lake County Republican Chairman John Curley wants a federal investigation into hundreds of voter registrations bearing fictitious signatures or the names of dead and underage people.

    “Fraudulent applications are the workings of ACORN groups operating from Milwaukee and Chicago who are getting out the vote for Obama. I’m Republican, but I want everyone who should vote to vote. But I want a clean election,” Curley said at a Wednesday news conference.

    Lake County elections officials acknowledged they have found problems and had to reject a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms turned in recently by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, an activist group that conducted registration drives across the county this summer.

    An ACORN spokesperson couldn’t be reached Wednesday for comment. Telephones to ACORN offices in Gary, Indianapolis, Chicago and Milwaukee were reported to be disconnected.

    Curley acknowledges the work of the county elections board to weed out obviously invalid applications, but said more may have slipped into the voter rolls so he wants U.S. Attorney David Capp to conduct a criminal investigation.

  185. “….in high heels and backwards…” That’s what we said about our BEST girl, Hillary. But, I was very excited that Sarah did so well. I hope Hillary was, too.
    —————————————————————–
    I suspect she is conflicted on many levels. I do think she is glad to see a woman do well because Saras success does help all women, regardless of political philosophy. I believe she that she is not the vp and forced to debate sara it would be a no win proposition for her.

    If Hillary had been forced to debate Sara, I have no doubt Hillary would have won, been raked over the coals by the hate filled media and the bots would probably be voting for Palin. I think she likes Joe, wishes he had done better and since they are friends. And she knows what the informed part of the world knows which is that but for the cheating and her unwillingness to make an issue over it and risk dividing the party she might well be the nominee and the dems would be 15 points ahead in the polls.

  186. I wonder if John McCain had chosen Palin back in January kept quiet, teaching and coaching her. When she was interviewed told to look like she didn’t know much.

    Good for McCain

  187. Rachel Maddow was sneering earlier that all of Palin’s “gee whiz” folksiness was contrived.

    No, Rachel, you just need to get out more. This is how real people in the real world actually talk.

  188. H4T

    Palin sounds like she comes from my home state of Minneeeeee Sota 😀

    I definately can relate!! Yuuuuuu Betchya!!!

  189. lol, in Minnseota senate race, 20% are now voting for the independent away from the dems, are we starting to see a bailout protest.

  190. wbboei – we can only guess about how Hillary feels – but she is also a friend of JMac. I also like to think she cheers for women of good will – whoever they are. And, WE think that she believes Obama to be a dangerous fraud. So, how could she not root (in her heart) for Sarah? Maybe JMac could ask Hillary to design his health care plan – we can live with just about everything else until Hillary hits the trail in 2012.

  191. Alcina 😀

    Moon…..I sure hope so!! Minnesota is a very conservative state, it’s been hard for me to believe they would fall for all that fake hopey changey liberal pate’

  192. Palin smiled, was gracious in a witty way, utilized her broadcast skills, knew her subjects, spoke to ‘everyday’ people and clearly won

    Hey..she’s a woman..what do you expect? 🙂

  193. Illinois Underground

    Your remarks about Jmac using HRC to design his health care plan, has crossed my mind in the last few weeks also.

    I think he is a person that can easily reach across the aisle, and she is a person who can reach back.

  194. http://www.cnn.com
    Jabs but no knockouts for Biden, Palin
    During their first and only vice presidential debate, Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin traded punches over the economy and Iraq. Biden repeatedly linked Sen. John McCain to President Bush, while Palin painted Sen. Barack Obama as “dangerous” on foreign policy. developing story
    Joe Biden gets emotional | Videos
    Debate transcript | Rules, schedule | 360° Blog
    Compare candidates on issues | Venue facts
    * * * * *
    subhead, “Joe Biden gets emotional” – Oh, puleeeeze!

  195. Illinois Underground Says: Hannity just bet Wasserman $10,000 that BO said that our troops in Afghanistan killed civilians and burned villages.
    ================

    I remember BO saying in summer 2007 that our air strikes were killing civilians and we should send ground troops instead.

  196. NewMex – Yes, they would work together just fine. Time will tell if it might be a possiblity…..

  197. Good Night all. As always it has been an honor to chatter with you. What a pool of great bloggers.

    Admin, my hat (virtual of course) is off to you. Someday I hope to meet you and thank you personnelly.

    Palin hit it out of the ballpark, but I think Admin share some of that success.

  198. neetabug sez: I wonder if John McCain had chosen Palin back in January kept quiet, teaching and coaching her. When she was interviewed told to look like she didn’t know much.

    Good for McCain.

    i beg to differ. Sarah was probably in his sights back then, because I remember her being talked about as a possibility in this forum way back then as McCain’s anti-Hillary, but people were saying here on the board that he might not because she just had a baby and it’s a “special” child…
    my point is this. the world saw for themselves who Sarah Barracuda is.
    Special thanks to Katie Couric and Tina Fey for “misleading” us about Sarah. Who’s laughing now?

  199. I think that HRC would be brilliant at ANYTHING she has an opportunity to do. I still miss her candidacy….. still in withdrawal…..
    I’m done for the day, too. Goodnight, all! It was fun!

  200. From today’s article:

    Tonight, once again, Americans will see Governor Sarah Palin in an unflitered format. Sarah Palin will be able to speak directly to voters. The moderator is an Obama supporter and Joe Biden is the Obama running mate. Governor Palin is in for a fight. But to fight is why she was the best choice for John McCain.

    Tonight, Sarah Palin has to strap on her guns and be prepared for a shoot-out.

    A shoot-out is what a frontier gal is best at.

  201. Terry McAuliffe, the former Democratic National Committee chairman and Clinton family confidant, plans to run for Virginia governor, FOX News has learned.

    Democratic sources say McAuliffe will formally announce his bid in mid-November.

    He has already lined up the backing of former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and sitting Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, who is prohibited by law from seeking a second consecutive term.

    McAuliffe was Hillary Clinton’s national campaign chairman during the Democratic primaries, and was a constant presence on the campaign trail. He was also a frequent surrogate for the former first lady on the media circuit.

    The Virginia general election is in 2009.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/terry-mcauliffe-run-virginia-governor/

  202. One more comment before I retire:

    Admin….. were you in on Sarah’s debate prep? 😉

    By the way, who saw O’Reilly’s shootout with Barney Frank?

  203. Illinois Underground Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 am

    I did..O’Reilly let it rip..I’ve never seen him like that although I’ve heard his radio broadcast like that
    He really laid into Frank

  204. He sure did…. I loved it when he called Frank on his nonsense about NOT allowing regulatory action back in 2005. Frank is such a LIAR!

  205. Who won?
    Tie 3% (334 votes)
    Senator Biden 7% (901 votes)
    Governor Palin 90% (11043 votes)
    Total Votes: 12278

    gretawire.com

  206. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/02/1483024.aspx

    Biden said that the commanding general in Afghanistan said this week that a surge would not work in Afghanistan.

    The truth: General David McKiernan said he needs more troops in Afghanistan “as quickly as possible.” He has asked for 4 additional combat brigades and a small contingent of support forces (one brigade will deploy in January).

    McKiernan said that the programs associated with the surge in Iraq would not work in Afghanistan, specifically something like the Sunni Awakening in Anbar would not apply to Afghanistan (because of a different and more complex tribal system in Afghanistan) and a program like the Sons of Iraq would not apply to Afghanistan.

    McKiernan declined to use the word “surge,” but ultimately he is asking for almost the same number of troops for Afghanistan and many of the same capabilities.

  207. I watched bill O tonight……….it was really heated!

    and i have to say Bill said everything the american people have wanted to say to him them selves!

    GO BILL O!! 😀

  208. I’ve been watching the debate again and it’s clear Palin was talking directly to middle America, Biden (I love the guy) sounded like he was giving speeches on the floor of the Senate.

  209. Meiyingsu, “she killed” means Palin “devastated” Biden. Noonan meant that Palin was very good.

    Here is what Pat Buchanan said:

    Pat Buchanan:

    Sarah Palin was sensational tonight. She not only met expectations, she wiped the floor with Joe Biden. She was personable, young, and exciting. She looked straight to the camera. I didn’t see a foot fault in the whole thing.

    Of all the four candidates I’ve watched, she was the most interesting and attractive of them all. I would take a look at the over-all impression of that hour and a half. Joe Biden was boring and Palin was exciting.

    I sat with some Democratic ladies as I was watching, and they were all surprised at how well she did. I think there are conservatives and Republicans breathing a sigh of relief, saying, “Yes, we were nervous.”

    I think she has done a sensational job and she had recaptured that magic she had at the convention.

  210. by the way admin,

    congragulations, on nailing the talking points needed by sarah palin, to make an impression….
    it would be so amazing if you offered your services to the sarah/john campaign, on issues that most interest hillary bloggers, and supporters… (wish we could get sarah to blog with us….)

    anyway, for me, didnt matter that sarah doesnt have all the knowledge in the world, after all, ‘its only been five weeks”.
    what has sold me on sarah, is her genuiness, is that a word, genuiness?

    i cant remember a time, when a real, regular american, had a chance to go to
    washington. this is amazing, this lady knows what its like to not be able to afford to pay your bills or afford health care.

    IF OBAMA REPRESENTS THE HOPES OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAN SARAH, REPRESENTS THE HOPES, OF EVERYDAY, HARDWORKING, STRUGGLING AMERICANS…

    thats what palin did for mccain, she found a following…

  211. I really genuinely like Sarah Palin. Not just because she’s “likeable” , but also because I get the very clear sense that when SHE talks about reform, it’s a passion, not just paying lip service. She really means it…and that’s going to be obvious to ALOT of people I bet.

    I have alot of other thoughts on the debate, but I’m too tired to type them out thoughtfully. Rain check.

    By the way….did anyone else notice that Joe said, “Barack thinks the glass is half empty, I think the glass is half full”. ROTFLMAO!! Who knew Obama was such a pessimist? I always thought he was the pope of hope. 😉

  212. you know what’s so funny about O’Biden’s comment about gay marriage; he’s effusive about how gay people should be treated equally, and then:

    “no, Obama and I are against gay marriage.”

  213. One hell of a debate

    I thought that Joe Biden and Sarah Palin were both excellent tonight. Biden hammered McCain relentlessly, which is the traditional role of the vice presidential candidate. Palin, forced by circumstances to prove her merit to an increasingly skeptical electorate, accomplished that mission and then some. Having done so, she is once again in a position to help the ticket by energizing the conservative base and appealing to at least a segment of the undecided vote.

    From a technical standpoint, it was Biden who had the more detailed command of the facts (and the greater ability to fudge them). He was able not just to hammer McCain, but to do so at a level of specificity that Palin could not address. And, on occasion, Palin missed easy opportunities to defend her running mate. I got the sense that, while Palin was getting up to speed on the basic issues, Biden was being prepped for an all-out assault on McCain. Palin got in her share of his shots at Obama, and some of them were quite effective. But, as I suggested, she could not afford to be as single-minded as Biden because she had a greater need to sell herself. Nor, it seems, is it in her nature to be purely a hatchet-woman.

    I hesitate to speculate about how this will play will the electorate. One possibility is that while the debate will raise Palin’s “favorables” (that seems almost certain), it will also drive down McCain’s. If so, that’s a win for Biden. But it’s at least as possible that Palin’s often sparkling performance, coupled with Biden’s harsh partisanship, will translate into a clean win for her and by extension McCain. Traditionally, a candidate who both exceeds expectations and displays the more pleasing personality is adjudged the winner. By these criteria, Palin clearly won. But the themes Biden hammered — the “horrors” of the past eight years and McCain’s association with aspects of Bush’s polcies — are winning themes.

    Most likely, as one way or another seems almost always to be the case, this vice presidential debate will not affect the outcome of the race. With Obama ahead, the Democrats will accept that outcome. But with McCain one poor performance by Palin (or by McCain in the next weeks) from possible extinction, many Republicans may accept it too.

    In any event, Sarah Palin deserves tremendous credit. Three of the four candidates in this race have been debating off and on for a year and a half. All of them performed quite well in their latest round. Palin was entirely out of the loop until about a month ago. Yet her performance was mostly equal, and in some ways superior to, that of McCain, Obama, and Biden.

    Posted by Paul at 9:43 PM | |

    ********
    the druge

  214. By ROGER SIMON | 10/2/08 11:52 PM EDT Text Size:

    ST LOUIS — Sarah Palin was supposed to fall off the stage at her vice presidential debate Thursday evening. Instead, she ended up dominating it.

    She not only kept Joe Biden on the defensive for much of the debate, she not only repeatedly attacked Barack Obama, but she looked like she was enjoying herself while doing it.

    She smiled. She faced the camera. She was warm. She was human. Gosh and golly, she even dropped a bunch of g’s.

    “John McCain doesn’t tell one thing to one group and somethin’ else to another,” she said. “Those huge tax breaks aren’t comin’ to those huge multinational corporations.”

    She went out of her way to talk in everyday terms, saying things like “I betcha” and “We have a heckuva opportunity to learn” and “Darn right we need tax relief.”

    Biden was somber, serious and knowledgeable. And he seemed to think that debates were about facts. He had a ton of them.

    Criticizing John McCain’s health care plan, Biden said that McCain would tax health care and “then you’re going to have to replace a $12,000 — that’s the average cost of the plan you get through your employer; it costs $12,000 — you’re going to have to pay — replace a $12,000 plan, because 20 million of you are going to be dropped. So you’re going to have to place — replace a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check you’ve just given to the insurance company.”

    Got that?

    Palin was a lot more direct in her attacks on Obama and a lot more simple. Criticizing Obama for saying he would meet with some foreign leaders who are hostile to the United States, Palin said: “Some of these dictators hate America and what we stand for. They cannot be met with. That is beyond bad judgment. That is dangerous.”

    See Also
    Biden vs. Palin: The videos
    McCain’s fate hangs on three states
    House opposition wilts

    She also said: “An issue like that taken up by a presidential candidate goes beyond naiveté and goes beyond poor judgment.”

    Sarah Palin accusing Barack Obama of being naive? Yep. And she was unabashed about it. And so what if Joe Biden has been in the Senate approximately forever and knows a lot more about a lot more stuff than she does? She doesn’t care.

    “You recently said paying taxes is patriotic,” she said to Biden. “In middle-class America, where I have been all my life, that is not considered patriotic.”

    True, a lot of her statements were of the fortune cookie variety. “At end of day,” she said, “if we are all working together for the greater good, it is going to be OK.”

    But a lot of people like fortune cookies. She said her strength to the ticket was “my connection to the heartland of America, being a mom, having a son going off to war, a mother of a special needs child.” She said there were times she and her husband sat around the kitchen table wondering how they were going to make it without health insurance.

    This led Joe Biden to his most emotional — he appeared to choke up — and one of his most effective moments.

    “Look, I understand what it is like to be a single parent, when my wife and child died,” Biden said. “I know what it is like to raise two kids alone. I know what it is like to sit around that kitchen table.”

    Then he said of Americans: “They are looking for help, they are not looking for more of the same.”

    It might have been his best line of the evening.

    Palin made some flubs. Talking about America’s financial crisis, she said, “It’s a toxic mess, really, on Main Street that’s affecting Wall Street.” Isn’t it the other way around? And she also got the name of a general wrong.

    But if people thought she was going to look like a dumb bunny for 90 minutes, they were disappointed. She said what she wanted to say, and she was so relaxed she even winked at one point. Really! An actual wink during a national debate, when she said she was going to try to get John McCain to change his mind about not drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

    Do people care about such stuff? Should all that down-home talk and body language really count? Joe Biden doesn’t think so.

    “Facts matter,” Biden said.

    Yeah? In politics? Since when?

    ********

    real clear politics

  215. I think that Palin used the pointing fingers to the “past” very effectively.

    I expect to see that used as a solid message that democrats play the blame game for excuses as to why they don’t get anything done.

    It will resonate….

  216. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/03/fbi-raids-obama-friends-home/
    FBI raids Obama friend’s home

    (excerpt)

    The FBI on Wednesday raided the county offices of a former Illinois state senator who is a poker-playing buddy of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

    According to Chicago authorities, the FBI visited the offices in Joliet, Ill., of Will County executive Larry Walsh, a longtime friend of Mr. Obama’s, and his chief of staff Matt Ryan.

    Mr. Walsh, who served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2005, was endorsed by Mr. Obama in his county executive election bid. With the support of some of Mr. Obama’s U.S. Senate volunteers, he easily defeated incumbent Republican Joseph Mikan.

    Will County auditor Steve Weber confirmed that his office had been asked by the FBI to assist in an investigation, but he did not elaborate on the specifics.

    Two FBI agents out of Chicago reportedly spent more than an hour in the Will County offices on Wednesday morning.

  217. Puhleez…I can’t even begin to count how many times Biden has told the story of his wifes death and cried. Okay, yes…very sad thing…but isn’t there a point when using it as a political prop just becomes fucking obnoxious? Or to try to be kinder….maybe he should stop telling the story altogether if it’s such an emotional thing to talk about. It’s not like it’s relevant to what he would do as vp or anything.

  218. i cant believe i am posting something from michelle malkin, but here goes….
    *********

    SARAH ROCKS!
    By Michelle Malkin • October 2, 2008 10:50 PM

    First, I would like to see all the Sarah doubters and detractors in the Beltway/Manhattan corridor eat their words.

    Eat them.

    Sarah Palin is the real deal. Five weeks on the campaign trail, thrust onto the national stage, she rocked tonight’s debate.

    She was warm, fresh, funny, confident, energetic, personable, relentless, and on message. She roasted Obama’s flip-flops on the surge and tea-with-dictators declarations, dinged Biden’s bash-Bush rhetoric, challenged the blame-America defeatism of the Left, and exuded the sunny optimism that energized the base in the first place.

    McCain has not done many things right. But Sarah Palin proved tonight that the VP risk he took was worth it.

    Her performance also underscored the underhandedness of the hatchet job editors at ABC News and CBS News, which failed to capture her solid competence on the whole array of foreign and domestic policy issues on the debate table tonight. (I didn’t care for all the “greed” rhetoric, but I understand they are trying to appeal to independents and Dems. They’re trying to win the election.)

    Pause to reflect on this: She matched — and trumped several times — a man who has spent his entire adult life on the political stage, run for president twice, and as he mentioned several times, chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    Sarah Palin looked presidential.

    Joe Biden looked tired.

    Sarah made history.

    Biden is history.

    ***

  219. Illinois Underground Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 pm
    wbboei – we can only guess about how Hillary feels – but she is also a friend of JMac. I also like to think she cheers for women of good will – whoever they are. And, WE think that she believes Obama to be a dangerous fraud. So, how could she not root (in her heart) for Sarah? Maybe JMac could ask Hillary to design his health care plan – we can live with just about everything else until Hillary hits the trail in 2012.
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    Yes.

  220. this is funny. posted by someone named “typical republican” on Riverdaughter:

    Bill Clinton flustered trying to defend Obama’s relationship with Rev. Wright. This must be the un-edited version. I thought Clinton was much more succinct on Greta, but he does kind of flounder on this answer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRAGHqEqPU

  221. Team Lundsford Asked Me to Ask You Something Tonight-Will You Help?

    Hey All
    We HAVE CRITICAL WORK TO DO FOR HILLARY RIGHT NOW. Hillary is working hard for the Sen candidate in KY Bruce Lundsford who is tied against incumbent Sen GOP Min leader Mitch Mconell in the polls. You know Mitch, the dude who fillibustered the minimum wage, pushed a cosntitutional ban on gay marriage etc…

    Im in touch with Mr Lundsford’s key campaign folks and they asked me to speak to you tonight. Lundsford will be a key ally for Hillary in the Senate. Hillary is comming back to KY to campaign for him and yes, Big Dawg will be working hard for Lundsford in W KY very soon. HILLARY IS PROVIDING SEN CANDIDATES WITH HER FAMOUS ACTIVATE PHONE SYSTEM FROM THE PRIMARY!

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    Im making calls fri night for lundsford. I hope all of you will help hillary oust sen mconnel!!!

    502-451-2958
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  222. I think HIllary is smart enough to see the good that Palin is doing for all women — even if just as a role model — and to appreciate it.

  223. I listen to Hillary and Bill talk about what Obama will do to make the lives of the American People better, but the great unanswerable question is how do they know what he will do as president. He has more positions on simple issues than Carter has pills, there is no track record anyone can relate to and universal health care which he committed to during the convention has now become affordable health care and pretty soon it will be status quo. Yes, he flies under the demoratatic party banners, but before he is through he will have violated every principle of the party and thrown everyone under the bus.

  224. I believe that Palin has something very valuable. Reagan had it and Bush 2 used to have it. They aren’t knowledgeable or smart but people liked them better and voted for them.

    I’m sorry that Peggy Noonan so decidedly gave it to Palin because she is usually so wrong but this time she is very helpful because she represents the snobby elite and she is giving Sarah high marks.

  225. Wel i live and breathe, UK Telegraph Obama shrill

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2008/10/03/the_comeback_kid_sarah_palin_wins_vicepresidential_debate_against_joe_biden

    comment this to hell.

    The Comeback Kid: Sarah Palin wins vice-presidential debate against Joe Biden

    Well, you betcha she surprised us all. By us, I mean the media and the political class. Make no mistake – the press expected Sarah Palin to fall flat on her face, Democrats were beginning to believe that the race could have been over tonight while Republicans just wanted tonight to be over and were bracing for the worst.

    But Palin tore up the script. She soared above expectations, held her own against a very experienced debater in Joe Biden, appeared to regain her campaign footing, very probably put an end to the Sarah-Palin-as-cretin news stories and will inject a bit of adrenalin back into McCain’s campaigns. In my humble opinion, Palin was the clear winner tonight. Biden acquitted himself creditably but she ran away with it. Here are some points to consider:

  226. Young, Vibrant Governor Palin KOs Old School Washington Liberal!

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5340

    Proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that she is the most qualified candidate for the presidency, including Messrs. McCain and Obama, VP nominee Governor Sarah Palin scored an impressive victory over her weak opponent in the debate held Thursday evening.

    Despite being handicapped by Gwen Ifill, an Obama operative and biased liberal from PBS, Governor Palin demonstrated in-depth understanding and mastery of a wide range of topics from national security to economic priorities, and in doing so established her superior qualifications.

    Governor Palin’s performance was a moral victory for all women and proves that women are qualified to serve in the very highest capacities of government, despite the dismal showing of Nancy Pelosi in the U.S. House.

    In fact, some observers opined that Governor Palin’s experience and understanding of the vital issues are far more comprehensive and cogent than those expressed by Barack Obama himself.

  227. re: gay marriage

    all of them (even Hillary) are against it. at least tonight, Sarah was very honest and straight to all of us. She is against it. Biden pandered and double-spoke/bs before saying, as an afterthought, “btw, Barack and I are against gay marriage”.
    So there.
    I am not going to count on anyone of them to declare that they are because they have to pander to their base like the true politicians that they are. But I believe Sarah’s is more of a conviction than political gibberish.

  228. exactly, i know exactly where I stand with Sarah, no wishy washy, she’s got it right, there is a debate and friends and communities differ on the issue but she said, you cannot deny rights but I don’t have to agree with the issue personally, which i think is fair enough.

    Biden waffled and she held his feet to the fire on it, made him state.

  229. This has got to be embarrassing to the Obama campaign: “But Barack Obama indicated to me he wanted me with him to help him govern. So every major decision he’ll be making, I’ll be sitting in the room to give him my best advice. ” Yep, Biden admits the stereotype: Little Barry needs Joe in the room because Barry can’t make decisions by himself.

  230. Amazing the topic of Abortion has not come up once yet in any of the the 2 debates. Sarah should have dragged it in last night.

  231. The topic of abortion isn’t being brought up because so many women have refused to let either Democrats or Republicans in this election, continue to hold that ONE issue to our heads like a gun in a hostage situation.

  232. The next debate favours McCain, the townhall format and its in Nashville, not friendly territory for Obama and thats next Tuesday.

    If anything, this is the one Obama will be scared of most because McCain can go to town on him and Obama will have the most potential to goof, no cheat sheets and direct voter questions.

    McCain excels at these.

  233. This is interesting about that Survey USA poll on Minnesota.

    McCain and Obama are running even everywhere in the state except Western Minn, where McCain is winning 66% to 33%.

    So if McCain keeps it close everywhere and runs away in W.Minn, he will take the state.

  234. Typical and funny that, the further away from illiinois in the states close to illiinois, the bigger the McCain margin gets.

  235. Gotta love that line Sarah came out with along the lines of

    I’m not sure looking at the way Govt is running things now, that people would trust them to run anything.

  236. texan4hillary Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 am
    mccain says yes to ca gay marriage ban-yikes
    http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2008/09/take-action-tel.html
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    California religious leaders push for gay marriage ban
    9/25/2008 10:55:39 AM
    By Lisa Leff

    Associated Press

    SAN FRANCISCO — Hundreds of pastors have called on their congregations to fast and pray for passage of a ballot measure in November that would put an end to gay marriage in California.

    The collective act of piety, starting Wednesday and culminating three days before the election in a revival for as many as 100,000 people at the San Diego Chargers’ stadium, comes as church leaders across California put people, money and powerful words behind Proposition 8.

    Some pastors around the state and nation are encouraging their flocks to forgo solid food for up to 40 days in the biblical tradition.

    Jim Garlow, the pastor of the evangelical Skyline Church in San Diego County, said he expects up to 100 young adults to spend five-plus weeks on his campus, subsisting on soup, juice and the promise of societal salvation.

    “This is not political to us. We see it as very spiritual,” said Garlow, a leader of an interfaith coalition that has held monthly teleconferences, shared sermons and solicited donations for the ballot measure.

    Alarmed by a California Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage, churches of many faiths have banded together in support of a measure that would amend the state constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. They have become the single largest force behind the measure, recruiting volunteers, raising money, registering voters, manning phone banks and distributing campaign literature.

    Under federal law, religious organizations cannot endorse political candidates but are free to campaign on social issues without endangering their tax-exempt status.

    Along with evangelical Christian groups such as Focus on the Family and Family Research Council, the leaders of Roman Catholic, Mormon, Southern Baptist, Orthodox Jewish and Seventh-Day Adventist congregations have endorsed the measure and urged the faithful to give.

    The Knights of Columbus have given nearly $1.3 million, making the Catholic fraternal organization the largest single contributor to Yes on 8. Donations from individual Mormons account for more than $6.4 million of about $17.3 million raised so far, according to Mormonsfor8.com, a Web site set up by a church member.

    Religious leaders have addressed the issue from the pulpit, in Sunday schools and Bible study meetings, and through telephone calls, letters and visits to parishioners.

    The California Conference of Catholic Bishops has given the state’s 1,600 parishes Sunday bulletin inserts about Proposition 8, and every diocese is holding workshops in English and Spanish.

    “This Supreme Court decision was a huge wake-up call for Catholics. It was shocking,” said Bill May of San Francisco, leader of Catholics for Protect Marriage. “The sense is that this is the last chance to restore the definition of marriage, and if unsuccessful, it is going to have serious ramifications for California and across the country.”

    Mormon congregations in California are taking marching orders straight from Salt Lake City. A June 29 letter in which the Mormon president asked members to lend support to the proposed amendment has been read repeatedly at church services, along with a 1995 church proclamation that warns: “The disintegration of the family will bring … the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.”

    Thousands of same-sex couples have tied the knot in California in the three months since the nation’s most populous state legalized gay marriage. Massachusetts is the only other state to allow gays to wed.

    Liberal congregations also have entered the Proposition 8 debate, though not as vigorously as their conservative brethren.

    A coalition of religious leaders called California Faith for Equality has been working to persuade people of faith to oppose the ballot measure on spiritual and social justice grounds. California’s Episcopal bishops also have come out against the measure, which a Field Poll reported last week was opposed by 55 percent of likely voters.

    “Everybody understands that Jesus, in his own culture, was notorious and persecuted for consorting with outcasts,” said the Rev. Peter Laarman, a United Church of Christ minister who opposes the gay marriage ban. “When Jesus said all are welcome at the table, I think he really meant all.”

    http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=49&a=363118

  237. The Virginian, Biden lied his ass off.

    moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/10/bidens-gravitas-is-derived-almost.html

    Jonah Goldberg: What struck me the most about the debate – and it probably helped having quintessential Obamaphiles in the room – was how Biden’s “gravitas” is derived almost entirely from the fact that he can lie with absolute passion and conviction. He just plain made stuff up tonight. I read a long list tonight in my debate with Beinart here at Wash U, we can visit the details tomorrow. Just a few: Flatly asserting that Obama never said he’d meet with Achmenijad; that absolute nonsense about spending more in a month in Iraq than we’ve spent in Afghanistan (“let me say it again,” he said as if he was hammering home a real fact); the bit about McCain voting with Obama on raising taxes; his vote in favor of the war etc.

    It’s amazing how the impulse to see Biden as the more qualified and serious guy stems almost entirely from his ability to be a convincing b.s. artist….

  238. Post Debate FOS/TERDS Poll Shows McCain 53% Obama 46% among Likely Voters

    Among 562 likely voters in Ohio, PA, and Colorado, McCain enjoys a 7% edge.

    Key groups breakdown as follows:

    The poll found Obama enjoying substantial support among women who previously had abortions, convicted felons, and individuals who derive 75% or more of their income from public assistance programs.

    McCain drew higher support among people who describe themselves as “proud americans,” people who own anything of value, and typical white people.

    McCain 53%

    Obama 46%

    Barr/Other .5%

    Margin of Error +/- 4.2%

    Survey conducted 10/2/2008 after airing of the vice presidential debate.

  239. Morning all. IMHO, the gay marriage thing is another “off topic” argument by the left and right. We are in an economic mess, Barky doesn’t seem to want to produce his BC, the Senate ladens the Bailout Bill with “sweetners” and Gay Marriage is not the most important topic we need to be worried about.

    I am a gay woman. I do think, in time, these rights issues, like all other constitutional protections will be “worked out”. I agree with Moon that the “marriage” word is too conformist, but, more importantly, to me, the gay community did itself a disservice co-opting the WORD marriage. We have MANY more protections than we once did and we have MUCH biger issues at hand. That no mainstream pol has the ability yet to be “for” gay marriage publicly is just the way it is. And though I respect the rights of everyone here to vote for those who represent them best, to take a vote away from the only person who can beat Obama becausxe of Gay Marriage ALONE seems to me short-sighted. We don’t have “Gay Marriage” now, and we will not get it under ANY of these candidates. In time, it will come down to the States anyway.

  240. Good Morning All

    Idunn at 1:32. The glass is half empty, goes right along with the depressed personality that I have felt O has. He is a depressed person, and I really don’t think those people make good leaders.

    Biden just confirmed what I have expressed before.

    Positive leaders are always looking to get done what they need to. Negative leaders are looking toward defeat, and how to justify why they have not accomplished their goals.

    Moononpluto, so were the polling number made up?

  241. That new Minnesota Poll is interesting

    McCain 47
    Obama 46

    and thats with a 30% republican sample, 37% Dem, 21%

    The senate race, Dems drop 10 points, Coleman up 10

    Minnesota Presidential Teeter Totter Tips Toward McCain: In an election for President of the United States in Minnesota today, 10/02/08, 33 days from the vote, John McCain and Barack Obama finish effectively even, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for KSTP-TV in Minneapolis, WDIO-TV in Duluth, KAAL-TV in Rochester, and KSAX-TV in Alexandria. The nominal advantage today goes to McCain, who is atop Obama 1 percentage point, 47% to 46%, within the survey’s 3.7 percentage point margin of sampling error. But: Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll 20 days ago, Obama is down 3 points. How much of this is movement and how much of this is “noise” is unclear.
    Minnesota behaves unlike other states in some respects. Among women, there is movement to McCain, at a time when McCain is losing ground among women elsewhere. Among voters younger than Obama, there movement to McCain, at a time when Obama is consolidating support among young voters elsewhere. Among voters older than McCain, there is movement to Obama, at a time when older voters elsewhere are sticking by McCain. In Western MN, which abuts the Dakotas, there is movement to McCain. In Northeastern MN, which overhangs Michigan, there is see-sawing back to Obama.

    I am a Minnesotan. Might the movement of older voters to Obama be caused by them being old-time DFL Democrats? The economy has been in the forefront of the news during the time this poll was taken. This is an issue that traditionally favors Democrats. Might these results simply show that these older voters were responding to that and thus choosing the Democrat when the poll was taken?

    I’m not surprised that McCain is gaing here. We have been more of a “purple” state in recent years. I am in a SE MN town. I don’t know if it means anything significant but I see more McCain signs than Obama signs. The Obama ones are mostly around the local college.

  242. I think Sarah and McCain both should hit hard against the “more of Bush” meme, like she did last night with her “pointing the finger at the past” line last night. I’d like to see Sarah start mocking this on the trail:

    “Our opponents keep saying we’ll be 4 more years of the Bush administration. (pause for a sly grin. gesture at herself) I gotta ask you, DO I LOOK LIKE DICK CHENEY TO YOU??? Crowd laughs and cheers.

  243. That new Minnesota Poll is interesting

    In the analysis it says voters are moving to McCain except for older voters who are favoring Obama.

    I am a Minnesotan. Might the movement of older voters to Obama be caused by them being old-time DFL Democrats? The economy has been in the forefront of the news during the time this poll was taken. This is an issue that traditionally favors Democrats. Might these results simply show that these older voters were responding to that and thus choosing the Democrat when the poll was taken?

    I’m not surprised that McCain is gaing here. We have been more of a “purple” state in recent years. I am in a SE MN town. I don’t know if it means anything significant but I see more McCain signs than Obama signs. The Obama ones are mostly around the local college.

    Third time I’ve tried to post this…keeps vanishing…

  244. Norma Desmond

    They are counting on us making this election one issue. For the women it is Roe vs Wade.

    I think we will surprise them. I feel much more comfortable with someone who disagrees with me, but I know where they stand than I do with someone who is bullying people, changes his mind all the time, and prefers not to vote to show where he stands.

    I would love to See Mc and P crack 50%, but it must not happen too soon. This debate was at the right time for a lot of undecides voting now.

  245. None of the candidates want the WORD ‘marriage’ used for gays, not even Hillary. But hasn’t Sarah made the strongest statement for ‘tolerance’ and rights in FACT to be given? Hasn’t McCain also spoken of ‘contracts’ etc?

  246. AmericanGirl

    O have talked about the lack of signs on my trip. I continue to notice in my area very few signs. I have spoken with my hometown relatives, and they say very few signs are out.

    We had a lot more signs for the Primary. I really think people are telling us something.

    I talked to my neighbor, ardent Dem, no sign. He said he did not want to get one, as they would start asking for money. I also am not sure where he stands any more. Initially he had changed to O.

  247. I am with moon and Norma on the gay marriage issue. It will come with time. The majority of companies that extended benifits to domestic partners did it to be competitive.
    And I will take Palin’s straight talk over waffles hypocrisy any day of the week.

  248. NMF – I liked what Palin said about tolerance. If nothing else, it appears she would not force her beliefs on the American Public, but govern by the Constitution.

    Obama, on the other hand, wants us all to be good little Socialists. And there is enough evidence by his minions to support this.

  249. Norma Desmond

    I think you hit the nail on the head. I will take tolerance any day over the bullying I have seen go on in the O campaign. Had another encounter just the other day with a Dem O (convert actually). It got really nasty. The Dems have shown absolutely no Tolerance or respect for HRC or the feeling of her supporters.

    I have to tell you, I never thought I would be here blogging saying I like and trust the Rep team of McCain and Palin.

  250. good morning everyone.

    i feel sooooooo much better today. palin was unbelievably good!

    ihope last night’s debate was enough to reinvigorate JM’s campaign.

    Now if only he would let a few of BO’s secrets out . . . .

  251. henry,

    yeah, i said that last night.

    bill looked like a friggin bully and i gotta say barney remained the gentleman.

    bill is afriggin hypocritical coward fr not taking on BO.

  252. So last night helped resolve the issue of is Palin ready to lead, but it also brings up the issue, is Biden ready to lead.

    I felt he was too laid back. Both Presidential candidate have a risk factor.

    I hope the Reps really run with this. There is no doubt in my mind that Palin was the right choice for VP, and might very well be the decision that wins it for them.

    As far as Hill and Bill campaigning for O. Bill was here for Kerry in 2004. We loved seeing him, but I doubt that he convinced many people.

  253. I am also tired of O thinking someone else has to win this for him. He need to convince people, reach across the aisle, show them that he is CIC material. With a staff like Dean and Pelosi, it just does not hack it.

    So he thinks HRC and Bill are going to run this for him? Give me a break.

    IT IS TIME SOMETHING/ANYTHING WAS DEMANDED OF O. NOTHING HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

  254. I posted this on another blog, but thought I’d bring it here, since this is being discussed among Dems. It’s about McCain’s voting against the Equal Pay act.

    I disagree with McCain on this issue, but he is not against equal pay itself. He is against the unlimited time frame to sue employers contained in that bill, because he feels it could lead to frivolous lawsuits.

    Personally, I think the current 180 day rule to sue is crap, but unlimited may be a bit much for some conservatives to swallow. I’d like to see a compromise bill that allows 5 years or something.

    It’s a bit unfair to say that McCain “doesn’t believe in equal pay for women”. He does, and has said so repeatedly, as well as demonstrated it on his own staff. He has problems with THAT PARTICULAR bill, because he thinks it has problems. That’s not quite the same thing.

    I can disagree and think he’s wrong while still being fair about why he thinks that. Now, with many Repubs I would say that they don’t truly want equal pay, and the whole litigation thing is just a smokescreen and excuse. But McCain has walked the walk – he pays his female staff more, and he put A WOMAN on his ticket. So in this case, I have to give him the benefit of accepting that his objections to the bill are sincere, not a backdoor sexism, even if I think he’s wrong.

  255. Can we change one of those debates, and have O go against Palin? Since his experience and her’s seem to be always compared, it seems only right.

    I would love to see him scowling saying you are likeable enough Sarah.

    I can wish can’t I.

  256. New York Post

    PALIN WINS BIG WITH A REAGAN-LIKE FLAIR

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10032008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/palin_wins_big_with_a_reagan_like_flair_131936.htm

    LAST night was a big, big win for Sarah Palin.

    She showed originality, charisma and sass – a style that is refreshing and different in our politics. She didn’t just win the vice-presidential debate, she showed that she belongs with Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton as among the best communicators of our modern political times.

    Her sallies against big government were brilliantly conceived and well executed. Her line that she didn’t understand how Washington worked because politicians vote for something right after they vote against it, for example, was just wonderful.

    Another classic came when she bit back at moderator Gwen Ifill and opponent Joe Biden and said she’d answer the questions as she wanted to, not necessarily as they wanted her to do.

    Gone, long gone, are the worries about how good or well-prepared Sarah Palin is.

    Most important, she showed how John McCain would bring change to Washington. Would that McCain could articulate his own sense of change as well as his running mate did!

    For his part, Biden sounded like the warmed-over has-been that he is – he seemed to be on downers. Where she was thrilling and exciting, he was hypnotically boring. He seemed like more of the same, while she seemed like a breath of fresh air.

    Without trepidation, she tossed aside the Bush years and spoke of the “blunders” in Iraq. She was able to skewer Wall Street and show Republican opposition to the greed there.

    She even handled Biden very well on his turf, foreign policy – meeting him head-to-head on every issue, and winning.

  257. New York Post

    PALIN WINS BIG WITH A REAGAN-LIKE FLAIR

    LAST night was a big, big win for Sarah Palin.

    She showed originality, charisma and sass – a style that is refreshing and different in our politics. She didn’t just win the vice-presidential debate, she showed that she belongs with Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton as among the best communicators of our modern political times.

    Her sallies against big government were brilliantly conceived and well executed. Her line that she didn’t understand how Washington worked because politicians vote for something right after they vote against it, for example, was just wonderful.

    Another classic came when she bit back at moderator Gwen Ifill and opponent Joe Biden and said she’d answer the questions as she wanted to, not necessarily as they wanted her to do.

    Gone, long gone, are the worries about how good or well-prepared Sarah Palin is.

    Most important, she showed how John McCain would bring change to Washington. Would that McCain could articulate his own sense of change as well as his running mate did!

    For his part, Biden sounded like the warmed-over has-been that he is – he seemed to be on downers. Where she was thrilling and exciting, he was hypnotically boring. He seemed like more of the same, while she seemed like a breath of fresh air.

    Without trepidation, she tossed aside the Bush years and spoke of the “blunders” in Iraq. She was able to skewer Wall Street and show Republican opposition to the greed there.

    She even handled Biden very well on his turf, foreign policy – meeting him head-to-head on every issue, and winning.

  258. assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/10/03/gal_frontpage_1003.jpg

    Sarah Palin : She’s no Baked Alaska

    Pitbull Palin battles Biden and takes a few chomps out of him.

  259. Apparently, there is still not enough yes’s on the bailout bill, it may hit the skids again.

    Uk reporting that many congressmen unhappy.

  260. Sarah spoke over the heads of the media right to the people. She is who she is, and whether I agree with her on all things or not, I believe that she knows what it is like to be an “average person”, and will work her tail off to do a good job for the people, and prevent us being screwed over. Are her policies or knowledge anywhere near my Hillary’s? HELL, NO! I think many of her approaches won’t work. But I also believe that she is sincere in wanting to help the little guy, and will make adjustments along the way where she can, and will fight to have my government all above-board and transparent. She’s a conservative, but I believe she will try to be fair in her application of her principles, and won’t hesitate to take on either side of the aisle if she thinks they are pulling a fast one.

    She’s REAL, and looks the public in the eye and says: “Here’s who I am, here’s what I’ve done in Alaska. Take it or leave it, but I’m not gonna lie to you or claim to be something I’m not.”

    BTW, Gwen Ifill did a fair job moderating. It may be because she got called on her bias, and so was being more careful, but I have to give credit where it’s due. Gwen did fine.

    Also, about Sarah, standing for a couple of hours in those heels is no mean feat!

  261. I have a friend who has an extensive background in counselling and she has an interesting take on bambi and the irrational reaction to him by the public on the one hand and the press on the other.

    In her practice there is a recurring phenomenon of a woman who postpones marriage until later in life to pursue a career, achieves some degree of success in business only to realize that she is lonely. Therefore she begins to look in earnest for someone to spend the rest of her life with. Eventually, she finds mr. right and he tells her everything she wants to hear. She suspends disbelief and makes an unequivocal commitment to him. She can hardly wait to tell her family, they are supportive and happy to see she is finally found someone who will make her happy. Thus, they suspend disbelief as well. Those who are not tend to withold their misgivings because she is so happy.

    At that point in this collective delusion mr. right says we have waited too long and makes a proposal of marriage. She says yes. She forgets the small detail of a prenuptial agreement. They marry to the delight of friends and family. Sometime later mr. wright begins to manifest certain behaviors which are not in keeping with her cherished image of him.

    These anomolies should raise doubts about him. But she is too emotionally invested in him to confront these doubts. Consequently, she ignores them if she can and rationalizes them if she cannot. If she happens to mention them to her family they help her rationalize them as well because they are wedded as well to the cherished image of him. They tell her there must be something she is doing wrong.

    At some point something happens which is impossible for her to ignore. It confirms all the doubts and fears about him which she has managed to suppress. She can no longer sustain this cherished image. She seeks the help of family and they either withdraw due to guilt, or else they confirm their own doubts about him which they were reluctant to disclose, or tried to disclose when she would not listen.

    He abandons her, takes her money and she finds herself in a real state of dispair and self doubt. An emotional breakdown often ensues. Therapy is sometimes sought. If she is able to make it through this terrible ordeal and recover, then she may reject such alliances in the future or be more discriminating in the selection process. She is less likely to fall in love with an illusion, and will know the right questions to ask herself about a potential relationship in the future.

    By analogy, Obama is Mr. Right in this drama. He is a male predator. The public is the vulnerable victim who has endured eight years of Bush and now believe they have found Mr. Right. He tells them what they want to hear. They ignore a mountain of contrary evidence because it conflicts with their cherished notion. The press is the family who is equally taken in and encourages this process of collective delusion. And everyone says let them be wed. So they are.

    There is a wonderful honeymoon, then a morning after and then a series of things happen that are bad but just get rationalized. Ultimately there is a Katrina like event which puts the lie to his candidacy. True believers become disillusioned, despondent and may experience the politial equivalent of a nervous breakdown.

    The reaction of family members is mixed as it was with Bush in the aftermath of Katrina. Some are forthcoming with their doubts, i.e. FOX news. Some are try to shift the focus but are unwilling to admit their complicity in this tragic situation, i.e. CNN. And some become irrational and refuse to acknowledge their complicity, i.e. MSNBC.

    The great question in her mind is IF bambi is elected when will this Katrina take place, how will long will it take for the patient to recover , and will the patient be more discriminating the next time around. She is very worried about the outcome in this case due to the economic situation we are facingand the relative certainty that this 700 billion dollar bail-out is only the beginning.

    Depending on the answers to those questions, and how deeply bambi would take the country into the tank (I laugh at the half wits who tell me he will need good advisors) Hillary’s hour in the sun may yet occur. By then of course the world will be rid of Ted Kennedy, and if there is a god in heaven then Felix Rohatyn, George Soros and some of the other malfactors in this financial and political debacle as well.

    My friend is convinced that Hillary will run again at that point. She believes Bambi would not run for a second term. She further believes that Hillary would run again at that point. She hopes the country and the press would have recovered sufficiently from the privations of Bambi that they would be predisposed to take a more realitic view of the next candidate. In that case, Hillarys intellect and experience might be apprecitated in a way they were not this time around. She has all this plus star power. Whether that is sufficient however remains to be seen.

    Finally, if McCain wins the country will fare better, the disillusion will be mitigated and Hillarys path to the presidency in 2012 will be less torturous and uncertain, one would think.

  262. “Puhleez…I can’t even begin to count how many times Biden has told the story of his wifes death and cried.”

    Idunn he does it on cue so often and yet the media gives him a pass and blasts Hillary to pieces. If anything, Biden came across as very patronizing to me. Ifill stacked the decks and you could tell she wasn’t thrilled that Palin did so well.

  263. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  264. Looking at FOXNews and they have Scott Rassmussen on and he is giving Poll #’s that show Obama winning but the numbers does not include the VP DEBATES although Rassmussen did a poll that say 1/3 said the vp was important to the debate.

    The POLLS are in the tank for Obama

  265. debbie Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
    Rasmusen says 10% think the country is going in the right direction…

    Who are these people??????????

    ——————————————————————————————————–

    People who don’t watch the news, read newspapers, or use the internet? They hermits in the great wilderness of denial.

  266. The POLLS are in the tank for Obama

    —————————————————————————-

    Well, we knew that.

  267. I am not trusting any poll quite frankly now, they seem like total hooey, they are just making the numbers up now.

  268. Watch for Obama to become even more angry, forceful, and deceitful in the days to come. Watch for him to go even more negative on McCain and Palin. Watch for his robots to work their hearts out to scam this election.

    And when McCain wins…watch for them to go plop…to shout out in anger…to do drastic things…

  269. I enjoyed watching MSM explode last night, they all had their talking points ready to kill sarah dead in the water and you could tell they were screaming inside to just yell when she pulled of a massive coup.

  270. David Brooks on Sarah:

    There she was, resplendent in black, striding out like a power-walker, and greeting Joe Biden like an assertive salesman, first-naming him right off the bat.

    …..
    By the end of her opening answers, it was clear she would meet the test. She spoke with that calm, measured poise that marked her convention speech, not the panicked meanderings of her subsequent interviews.

    …Thursday night she spoke like a normal person. It took her about 15 seconds to define her persona — the straight-talking mom from regular America — and it was immediately clear that the night would be filled with tales of soccer moms, hockey moms, Joe Sixpacks, main-streeters, “you betchas” and “darn rights.” Somewhere in heaven Norman Rockwell is smiling.

    With a bemused smile and a never-ending flow of words, she laid out her place on the ticket — as the fearless neighbor for the heartland bemused by the idiocies of Washington. Her perpetual smile served as foil to Biden’s senatorial seriousness.

    …..On Thursday night, Palin took her inexperience and made a mansion out of it. From her first “Nice to meet you. May I call you Joe?” she made it abundantly, unstoppably and relentlessly clear that she was not of Washington, did not admire Washington and knew little about Washington. She ran not only against Washington, but the whole East Coast, just to be safe.

    To many ears, her accent, her colloquialisms and her constant invocations of the accoutrements of everyday life will seem cloying. But in the casual parts of the country, I suspect, it went down fine. In any case, that’s who Palin is.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/opinion/03brooks.html?ref=opinion

  271. COUPLA THOUGHTS:

    1. The Palin Factor.

    Biden was the predictable, safe bet, unless he gaffes out. Palin initially helped McCain swing completely from behind Waffles to in front, and it stayed that way for a good ten days or so. But relentless MSM shilling for Obama’s point of view that “she’s not ready” eventually helped diminish her stature. Coupled with the economy helping the Generic Dem (whereas Russia/Georgia helped the Generic Repub, especially when it is the Dynamic and Decisive John McCain, rather than the piece of shit W.), Obama went back up. Still, things are fluid, and I ain’t buying the “Obama’s going to win this” argument.

    Note that MSM can rag on Sarah while overlooking Obama’s equivalent lack of experience time-wise, and being outdone by the SheGuv in the “My Position’s Bigger than Yours…” department.

    2. Giving up on Michigan?

    I don’t know the polling numbers, but I have a little bit of conspiracy theory skepticism regarding the McCain camp’s “we’re pulling out our resources” declaration. It may be a ruse, to get Obama and Cabal to be overconfident there.

    Might I remind these Michigan Dems that Obama didn’t want to count their votes, but was willing to accept stolen delegates awarded to him by the Ruleless and Bylawless Cabal.

    JM might be working behind the scenes. Michigan is a nice prize, and Michiganders may be willing to punish Mr. Waffles.

  272. whats the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

    I think that question was answered loud and clear!!!

  273. and to follow up my previous point, if the concern was that Palin would wilt in the veep debate, and even the NYTimes and NPR said she gave as good as she got, and that she exceeded expectations (similar to the way her convention speech was well received), we just might see this benefiting JM/SP.

    BTW, RealClearPolitics average for MI is Obama +7, not huge. Methinks it’s a misdirection play by JM.

  274. rgb44hrc,

    the MSM and Obamaland were going to rag her to death no matter what. She doesn’t even have to open her mouth. I guarantee you that now that palin has done so well in the debate, they will be relentless in their goal to get their messiah into dictatorship power. That means reporting comments from McCain’s jailer in Vietnam without any verification, looking for a rapist from Alaska for an Obama hit ad, etc…etc…

  275. One thing struck me last night was Biden should really have been able to put Palin away, he tried but in the end fell flat on his face doing it. She was so tough to handle.

    This may really hurt Bama/Biden in the respect that he was expected to win handily, 36 years as a Senator against a woman painted as inexperienced 2 year Gov who is whacky and useless and he lost to her.

    His Senate colleagues will probably be laughing their asses off.

  276. http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/secondhelpings/2008/10/joe-gives-delaware-shout-outs.html
    Joe gives Delaware shout-outs | 10:49 PM

    During the debate, Joe Biden gave several Delaware shout-outs, including Wilmington’s Union Street…
    Maybe, I heard this wrong, or misunderstood, but I think he mentioned Katie’s restaurant……
    Wilmington used to have a Katie’s restaurant – way back in the day – and it was in Little Italy, as is Union Street, but I’m almost positive Katie’s wasn’t on Union Street.
    And it hasn’t been Katie’s in, well, years. Maybe he said Kozy’s – as in Kozy Korner?

    Check out the comments by people who know the truth

  277. Gateway Pundit has pics up of the after-party for Palin. HUGE rally (she rode into the hall on the Straight Talk Express bus), and also pics of Obama’s somber and almost empty campaign office.

    But the best pic by far is the shot of the media – their faces, slumping there in their seats, says it all.

    gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/palin-biden-debate-at-washington.html

  278. I still think we are not seeing the true extent of where the polls really lie, the dems seem extrmely worried about Palin. They have tried everything and it has not worked.

  279. # moononpluto Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 6:04 am

    In fact has Obama set foot in Tenessee at any point in this cycle, nope didnt think so.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    They’d arrest him. Not sure for what… Maybe for depriving bitter people of guns is crime in that state. Better not deprive them of whiskey either.

  280. the BM acts like sore losers especially the likes of the gang at cnn and msnbc.

    Its so pathetic to watch them belittle themselves.

    on another note..Is Jesse Jr. gonna ask if Biden cried about Katrina?

  281. Male politicians crying does not go down well. I was like just fucking stop it, it was clearly so fake.

  282. We all remember the uproar over HRCs misting up.

    So how is Biden’s more justified?

    Of course there is no answer to that except there is obviously a double standard for women.

  283. The Ladies of The View Silenced Day After Biden Palin Debate

    Apparently not word was uttered about the debate, they must have been furious.

  284. Haven’t seen Joe Bidens 14 Debate Lies posted here yet …….so here they are

    Fresh from the McCain people.

    JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

    1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

    4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

  285. I posted it last night but yours is done in so much prettier typeface. Its worth reading over and over.

  286. this is how so out of touch msm is with every day Americans
    check these headlines….

    Palin disappoints viewers, Biden emerges winner: polls
    Press Trust of India

    Palin all attitude and image to Biden’s facts and focus
    Baltimore Sun

    Don’t be fooled, Palin is Bush in pumps
    Sydney Morning Herald, Australia

  287. Early Palin-Biden debate ratings suggest strong viewership

    In the very preliminary ratings returns, Thursday’s debate between Alaska governor Sarah Palin and Delaware senator Joe Biden is looking like strong performer.

    The four broadcast networks airing last night’s debate totaled a 28.1 overnight meter-market household rating.

    That’s 33% higher than last week’s morning-after returns for Friday’s presidential debate, which scored a collective 21.4 rating among the major networks

    http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/vp-debate-ratin.html

  288. the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in my lifetime is the msm’s attempt to paint themselves as experts and relevent….sad…

    Americans know the truth, we saw it first hand.

    we don’t need BM to “filter” the truth for us we know spin and talking points when we see it.!!!!

  289. NewMexicoFan
    I said last night that I have been watching Biden for years and that little stunt last night is part every campaign, he chokes up everytime. Biden is one of those people that can cry on cue and desereves an emmy nomination. He has told that story so many times that even the most emotional person in the world would unable to choke up any more.

  290. wbboei, Republicans could not have found a better antidote for Obama in Palin. She is real and every bit as charming as he is (for him, the delusional mind’s definition of charming, that is) even perhaps enough to sway the Dems who are not fooled by him.

    I agree with what you said in that post. In addition, the faithfuls are caught up with the symbolism of his candidacy as well (caught up in their own megalomania they think “wouldn’t it be wonderful if they could elect this man,” the apparition they have built out of the real person).

  291. rjk, that choking was the most offensive thing for me. If a woman candidate had done that, she would be excoriated.

  292. Debbie: this is what they are being fed by the wire services. Delusional. I suspect most of this was written before the debate even occurred.

  293. Can you imagine Biden…held prisoner by our enemies while captive or even doinng negotiations with our enemies…???

    and him being reminned about his two kids…woudl be break and give state secrets or weaken….I think while BO invites Biden
    to sit with world dictators without preconditions in their first year….they would just weaken…

    —-

  294. Palin Recaptures Her Image
    By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
    Published: October 3, 2008

    “Oh, man, it’s so obvious I’m a Washington outsider, and someone just not used to the way you guys operate,” she said after her opponent explained, somewhat awkwardly, why he had voted in favor of the Iraq war.

    And that was how Sarah Palin got the better of Sarah Palin. The debate wasn’t so much between Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Ms. Palin as it was between the dueling images of the Alaska governor: the fuzzy-minded amateur parodied — with her own words — by Tina Fey on “Saturday Night Live” or the gun-toting hockey mom who blazed into history at the Republican convention.

    There was a little of both on stage Thursday night, though Ms. Palin spoke far more fluidly and confidently than she had in her devastating interviews with Katie Couric of CBS. Ms. Palin did stumble into a few loop-the-loop non sequiturs, but mostly she stuck to practiced talking points. She didn’t answer questions directly, but she spoke out with self-assurance and even cockiness, correcting Mr. Biden when he tried to repeat the Republicans’ slogan about oil exploration in Alaska. “The chant is ‘drill, baby, drill,’ ” she said.

    And Ms. Palin was the one who set the tone, making Mr. Biden sound stuffy before he had a chance to make her look unsteady. She bounded onto the stage, shook hands with her opponent and said brightly, “Hey, can I call you Joe?”

    He said yes, then addressed her as “Governor Palin.”

    She twinkled, cocked her head, and spoke as plainly as she could. “Darn right it was predator lenders,” she told the moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS, when asked who was to blame for the mortgage meltdown. Her sentences had lots of pep and patriotism, and few g’s at the end of her words — “You betcha” and “Get down to gettin’ business done” and “doggone it.”

    Expectations for both candidates were low, but the expectations for the debate were almost absurdly high — cable news commentators led up to the event like children on a Halloween sugar bender, deliriously excited by what The Washington Times described as a “Thrilla in Manila” showdown.

    Mr. Biden made few mistakes; he appeared more measured and thoughtful on substance, and made forceful points that contrasted with Ms. Palin’s slogans. But she provided the more vivacious, visceral television performance: it was a 90-minute sprint to reclaim her identity as a feisty, folksy frontierswoman ready to storm Washington. And she did it like a reality show contestant — broadly, with stagey asides to the camera, including an assurance to some third-grade students, in what she called a “shout-out,” that they would get extra credit for tuning in.

    She was friendly and respectful to Mr. Biden. Then, every now and then, she cocked her head, winked, and nudged him hard — like a little sister who knows her older brother cannot hit back.

    And while her showmanship may have exhilarated her fans, it also helped Mr. Biden, who is normally known as something of a know-it-all showoff; in contrast to her, he seemed reserved and sincere.

    Ms. Palin attacked her opponent’s positions on taxes and on the war with gusto, at one point accusing Mr. Biden of “waving the white flag of surrender” in Iraq. But mostly, she tried to recoup from past blunders on foreign policy. She twice dropped the name of Kim Jong Il of North Korea, made a point of referring to Iran’s president and described the Cuban leadership as “the Castro brothers.” She also recast her television interviews as traps set by liberals, not unforced errors of her own.

    At the end of the debate, before she was surrounded by her husband and children, and burped her newborn, she thanked the moderator for the chance to talk to the American people “without the filter, even of the mainstream media, kind of telling viewers what they’ve just heard.”

    It was a pre-emptive strike against commentators poised to critique her performance and a retroactive strike against the other Sarah Palin.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/us/politics/03watch.html?ref=television

  295. Line long in the Cape for Palin tickets

    The first two people lining up in Cape Coral for tickets to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s rally Monday at Alico Arena on the Florida Gulf Coast University campus were undecided.

    Army Reservist Roberts Fowler and his friend Christopher Senecal, both local college students and astute political observers, took their places in line at 8:30 a.m., an hour and a half before tickets were to be available. They saw the event as a means to a closer look at Sen. John McCain’s pick for running mate.

    They joined 80 or so people lined up outside the Cape Coral Republican headquarters on Del Prado Boulevard looking one of 500 free tickets to the rally. The doors opened at 10 a.m.

    Senecal, a formerly ardent supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, said he cringed at Obama’s choice for a running mate, Joseph Biden, but hasn’t made up his mind on Palin.

    “She did better than everybody expected,” Senecal said of Palin’s televised debate Thursday with Biden. “I want to hear what she has to say (Monday).”

    The election, Fowler said, is one of the most important decisions facing the American public in decades.

    “The next eight years are going to affect our economy, our jobs,” Fowler said. “This is so important for this country.”

    Outside of the Fowler and Senecal, most of the crowd was solidly in line with Palin.

    “I think we need change, and I think Sarah (Palin) will be that change,” said Charles Colmeny, of Lehigh Acres. “I think the only hope for the country is with Sarah (Palin) and (John) McCain.”

    “I think that with this campaign, people are more excited,” said Republican volunteer Maria Martins of Cape Coral. “People want to make sure they’re going out to vote and are doing their part.”

    http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS0101/81003058/1003/ACC

  296. well i for one hope Mac and Sara come to south dakota ( sadly, i doubt they will)……but I would love to go see them!!

  297. will wall street rebound today the same way it fell on Monday once the bill passes? if not it was a tantrum by big business and shame on them….. I will vote with my purse make no bones about it.

  298. pm317 Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    wbboei, Republicans could not have found a better antidote for Obama in Palin. She is real and every bit as charming as he is (for him, the delusional mind’s definition of charming, that is) even perhaps enough to sway the Dems who are not fooled by him.

    I agree with what you said in that post. In addition, the faithfuls are caught up with the symbolism of his candidacy as well (caught up in their own megalomania they think “wouldn’t it be wonderful if they could elect this man,” the apparition they have built out of the real person).
    ———————————————
    I agree. It is as you say. If it is true what they say that people forget your words but remember how you made them feel, then she won on both counts-the latter being more important.

    As for symbolism, when it is detached from wisdom, competence and constancy it quickly becomes a double edged sword.

  299. Senecal, a formerly ardent supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, said he cringed at Obama’s choice for a running mate, Joseph Biden, but hasn’t made up his mind on Palin.

    “She did better than everybody expected,” Senecal said of Palin’s televised debate Thursday with Biden. “I want to hear what she has to say (Monday).”
    ——————————————–
    cringed is a good word to describe the reaction of many of us to bambi as well.

    correction: she did better than big media told us she would. Once again, they lied.

  300. I think what’s so charming about Palin is that she does represent change, but she represents it authentically, where the Fraud is well, the fraud. His mantras are calculated to create a cult-like allegiance to him whether he represents true change and hope or not.

    She REALLY is the Washington outsider; she doesn’t have nefarious politicians and financiers like Pritzker, Soros and Geffen in her pocket. She isn’t perfect and she doesn’t claim to know everything. Whereas the Fraud has to make statements of one upsmanship like “living in Indonesia for 4 years as a child gives me foreign policy experience.” Palin would simply state “i am not one of you, i am a PTA mother who wanted to make things better, i may not know my way around the establishment, but i have the instinct and the intent and the patriotism to make this country better.”

    She’s real; he’s fake real.

  301. Not calling them “big media” anymore. The “insignificant media” have done their outmost to smear and destroy Sarah Palin and her family. They honestly thought that she would go into the debate with a defeated look and make gaffe after gaffe.

    The “insignificant media” honestly think that their word is gospel and we are all waiting with bated breath for each new proclamation from them. Instead, they have struck the last nail in their coffins and in Obama’s.

  302. pm. you are right. sara is a star, her speeches are sell-outs as bambis star fades. They even proceed at the same level of generality on problems, rather than proposing detailed solutions like Hillary does. If it stays like it is now he is checkmated. In desperation he will probably throw some last minute shit on the wall. If he had to debate her his sexism would be obvious–he cant help himself it is a psychological compulsion with him–poor bambi.

  303. on Drudge now:

    Palin debate highest since 1992

    http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/vp-debate-ratin.html

    Thursday’s debate between Alaska governor Sarah Palin and Delaware senator Joe Biden proved prognosticators correct and scored extremely high viewership.

    Last night’s debate totaled a 45.0 overnight meter-market household rating, according to Nielsen

    That’s 42% higher than Friday’s presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama, which scored a collective 31.6 rating among the broadcast and cable networks.

    It’s also a stunning 60% higher than the 2004 debate between Dick Cheney and John Edwards. In fact, the figure surpasses any presidential debate since 1992’s second bout between Bill Clinton, Ross Perot and George Bush (which received a 46.3 rating).

    The ratings will likely decrease slightly when Nielsen releases total national viewers later today. If it stays above 43.6, it will mean Thursday night was the highest-rated vp debate in TV history, surpassing 1984’s most-watched record holder between George Bush and Geraldine Ferrarro.

  304. pm317 – probably. the Dems wanted Iraq and the nose-diving economy to be there winning cards – they wanted these to last as long as possible.

  305. I dont think this Bill passing is going to go down well with the public and the question begs if it makes no difference and more things fail. Someone is going to take the blame for it.

    People are furious. They may well take it out in the Ballot Box.

  306. on another Palin note, I think that the McCain/Palin ticket is the mirror image of what the Clinton/Obama ticket would’ve been.

    It’s someone who has been there, done that, is experienced to lead who is saying to the next generation, we are grooming an outsider who will have a fresh perspective and transcend the baggage of partisan fighting in Washington, but first, we need a transitional time and a steady hand to guide us through the tough times.

    McCain definitely got that. Unfortunately, the DNC and the over-ambitious Fraud didn’t.

  307. JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT
    ———————————————-
    yea, for a beltway politician Joe is good. 14 lies in 90 minutes is pretty awesome, and it will help drive productivity numbers for the ticket.

    but lest we forget, bambi combines a superior abiltity to lie with a keen talent to tell more than one lie on the same issue because he is forever changing his position.

    when it comes to lying the difference between biden and bambi is like the difference between gunpowder and dynamite. Also, it would never take Bambi 90 minutes to tell a puny 14 lies.

  308. This issue with bankruptcy issue which dems wanted in this issue ridden bill…

    I think only state judges should be laws to do this…this should cover states where peope/homeowners/small business owners
    are covered; this should cover those most at peril…peopl with multiple homes, boats etc should nnot be covered here…..

    federal judges will create major issues since assets maybe be overseas or some overseas people may own these
    failed assets in America…..this is a VERY BIG issue…I think we need to tell our reps this BIG time…

  309. wbboei- god help us if Obama and Biden get into office – there will be two pathological liars leading us.

  310. wbboei, watching this election this is very real and that is, the Republicans are magnitude better at their political instinct. Either you have it or you don’t. Bill Clinton has it and Hillary Clinton learned it towards the end of the primary. The Dem elites keep making the same mistake over and over again in spite of their Ivy League education. Palin is here to stay and I like it — it is good for democracy. She seems like a centrist too. She already has the instinctual part covered and all she needs is policy speak (to get through Couric and the like) and she will get it in a few months. 5 weeks to cram decades of Washington stuff is unrealistic (though I am not sure of the extent of her general knowledge.) But I see hunger in her for this and have to believe she will do what needs to be done. The split screen last night could not have said it better on the two contrasts. My gut feeling is energy is a good area for the next decade and that is her forte.

  311. 159K jobs lost in September, most in 5 years

    The grim unemployment numbers the campaigns had been awaiting arrive this morning with a thud, another reminder of how much the economy is consuming the campaign. And absent a major national security event, it’s tough to see how it doesn’t stay that way for the final month:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Employers slashed payrolls by 159,000 in September, the most in more than five years, a worrisome sign that the economy is hurtling toward a deep recession.

    The Labor Department’s fresh snapshot, released Friday, also showed that the nation’s unemployment rate held steady at 6.1 percent as hundreds of thousands of people streamed out of the work force for any number of reasons.

    The reduction in payrolls was much sharper than the 100,000 cuts economists were forecasting. They expected the jobless rate to be unchanged.

    It marked the ninth straight month that the economy has lost jobs. The drop underscores fallout from a long slump in the housing market and a dangerous credit crunch that intensified last month throwing Wall Street — and the economy — into chaos.

    By Jonathan Martin 09:00 AM
    politico

  312. Palin Disagrees With Michigan Pullout, Takes Second Stab at ‘Gotcha’ Questions

    Sarah Palin criticized John McCain’s decision to pull campaign resources out of Michigan in an interview with FOX News on Friday, saying she and her husband Todd would “be happy” to campaign in the economically distraught battleground state.

    The Republican vice presidential nominee, on the heels of her debate with Joe Biden, also took a second stab at questions that seemed to trip her up during recent interviews, declaring that she looks “forward to speaking to the media more and more every day.”

    Palin said the decision to pull out of Michigan, which was announced Thursday, was “not a surprise” to her since polls show McCain slipping in the state.

    But Palin said that when she read the news, she “fired off a quick e-mail and said, ‘Oh come on, do we have to?'”

    “Todd and I, we’d be happy to get to Michigan …We’d be so happy to speak to the people there in Michigan who are hurting,” she said. “Whatever Todd and I can do in realizing what their challenges in that state are …. I wanna get back to Michigan and I want to try.”

    It’s unclear whether the McCain campaign will heed Palin’s request. McCain aides said on a conference call Thursday that Michigan had always been the weakest of the toss-up states for them, and that they are still competing in several other battlegrounds like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and moving resources into high-stakes states like Florida.

    Palin’s public break with McCain on strategy is surprising but not unprecendented. She has disagreed with him on policy issues like drilling in Alaska, and she said in Thursday night’s debate that it’s inevitable the two will disagree.

    “What do you expect? A team of mavericks,” she said. “Of course we’re not gonna agree on everything.”

    Palin spoke with FOX News just hours after finishing her first and only debate with Biden. She said she “had a ball” and thought it went well.

    She also tried to explain her shaky performance during interviews with CBS News’ Katie Couric over the past week.

    “The Sarah Palin in those interviews was a little bit annoyed because no matter what you say you’re gonna get clobbered,” she said.

    Asked by Couric to name the periodicals she reads, Palin repeatedly declined. She also would not name any Supreme Court decisions she disagreed with, other than the Roe v. Wade abortion ruling.

    Palin told FOX News on Friday that she reads the same newspapers and magazines as everyone else, “including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal and The Economist.”

    She said she “shouldn’t have been so flippant” on the Supreme Court question. “I can cite a lot of cases that I absolutely disagree with the Supreme Court on.”

    She cited the June decision that child rapists cannot be executed, as well as the 2005 decision that local governments can seize private land for purposes of economic development.

    Her performance at Thursday night’s debate was widely viewed as a recovery from her interviews of the past week and a return to the confident persona she projected at the Republican National Convention a month ago.

    Asked about claims that she was being sequestered and over-managed by McCain staffers over the past week, she said: “Well I beg to differ with the notion that I was reined in in any way, but if there was any of that, it’s over

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-takes-second-stab-gotcha-questions/
    *****************************************************
    Interesting how Palin want to talk to the media after the vp debate. I think Palin played the media, since they’re in the tank for Obama, and won the l”ower expectations” game.

    ROTFL!

  313. # CountTheVotes Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    pm317 – probably. the Dems wanted Iraq and the nose-diving economy to be there winning cards – they wanted these to last as long as possible.
    ————————-

    F&F have congressional mandates (as we all now know) and were going to be rescued anyway at anytime. That may have played a big part on how the Dens used it to their advantage. People who smelled funny business when Raines cooked the books, wanted more regulation and oversight. But that of course did not happen.

  314. debbie Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
    whew I was so worried we wouldn’t get to give those tax credits for wooden arrows

    ———————————————————————————————————-

    What is the deal, with the manufacturers of wooden arrows? That is really bizarre.

  315. F&F…oh yes….

    Chris Dodd and Barney Franks…

    And then Kent Conrad and Chris Dodd being VIP freinds of Countrywide…

  316. A full investigation may indicate that Raines and others should be criminally charged.

    You gotta wonder where Barney Frank’s head was at in this mess. I believe he was trying to do the right thing for low income people, but he got careless to the point of negligence.

    I was disgusted with thorougly disgusted with O Reilley’s rant–especially after he failed to press bambi harder on any issue. He is a cheap shot artist and contrary to his slogan I doubt he is looking out for me–or the rest of us.

    I bet Lady Lynne was delighted with Saras performance. Havent checked in over there yet but I just know it. Betcha what really get to bambi is that folksieness she has. Course when he does it is okay. And she is not a hit man from the most corrupt political machine in the country bambi. And when she says reform she means it. Finally bami she is no Harvard elitist.

    So how say ye now old messiah of mine?

  317. business will be able to meet payrolls????

    What payroll?

    US Sheds 159000 Jobs in 9th Straight Monthly Drop
    New York Times

  318. The refusal of the US District Court to dismiss plaintiff berg’s case will proabably save Ed Hale from expiration and opens the door for a 527 attack.

    The two most fundamental questions you can ask anyone to answer, and to prove when there is a question of doubt is what is your lawful name (s)? and where were you born?. However in Bambis case the deponent sayth not except “the details are murky and I have not the courage to look into them”. That too is a lie.

    In sum, he refuses to present conclusive evidence that he is eligible to run for President and hires a terrorist lawyer to fight the case. Voters need to be apprised of that.

  319. wbboei Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    A full investigation may indicate that Raines and others should be criminally charged.
    ———————–

    Yes.

  320. birdgal,

    included in the bailout was a bill that “extended” tax credits to various businesses, one being the manyfacturer of wooden arrows…

    it was just a bit absurd seeing that it’s such an invisible company to most of America and has basically nothing to do with the abuses of wall street
    the attached extended tax credit bill was added to simply sweeten the pie.

    However there were some very important inclusions in the the overall bill

    one very important one was the Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008. This was soooooooo important.

  321. Campaign Comedy: Thursday’s late-night TV wrap-up
    By LYNN ELBER – 5 hours ago

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — The vice presidential debate was the toast — make that roast — of late-night television, and that was before the event was held.

    Shows produced earlier than the match between Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden at Washington University in St. Louis on Thursday made sport out of guessing at the outcome.

    “Tonight, a debate between candidates for the most powerful office in the land: Dick Cheney’s,” said Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report.”

    “As for Sarah Palin, she hit it out of the park. Or as they say in Wasilla, she hit it all the way to Russia,” Colbert said. “Now, it is possible this is not how things panned out tonight. Could be the media is focusing on some small misstep, like Gov. Palin referring to people from Pakistan as alpacas.”

    David Letterman’s “Late Show” top 10 list was comprised of “Surprises in the Vice Presidential Debate” including: “First for Palin: `Why the hell do you keep agreeing to talk to Katie Couric,'” “Biden’s insistence that from his house in Delaware he can see Russia” and, at No. 1, “Palin mentioned bombing Iran, Pakistan and Tina Fey.”

    Jimmy Kimmel on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” encouraged audience participation.

    “It’s not too late, by the way, to text your votes. I voted four times for Sarah Palin and six times for David Archuleta,” Kimmel said.

    Political experts said Palin needed to demonstrate that her concerns matched those of everyday Americans, according to Conan O’Brien of NBC’s “Late Night.”

    “For instance, Palin planned to start the debate by saying she’s really troubled by John McCain’s choice for vice president,” he said.

    The late-night comedians weren’t finished.

    “The vice presidential debate between Sarah Palin and — does it really matter who else? Joe Biden, Joe Lieberman, Joe Pesci, Joe Piscopo, Jo-Mother,” said Jon Stewart of Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show.”

    In more political comedy from Thursday’s late-night television, Jay Leno on NBC’s “Tonight” show said: “The bailout bail — I’m sorry, the rescue bill — has grown to 450 pages. President Bush’s copy is even thicker because they had to add pictures. You know: trucks and dragons. Spaceships.”

    Leno also quipped: “This is kind of interesting: According to a recent poll, 61 percent of people surveyed said they’d rather see Sarah Palin in a bikini than Pamela Anderson. Although 99 percent said they’d rather see Pamela Anderson as vice president.”

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-n6Ue2RsmAJfmQZLixNAQOhH4lQD93J1FEG0

  322. …Nobama setting foot in Tennessee -nope?
    rgb44hrc
    They’d arrest him. Not sure for what… Maybe for depriving bitter people of guns is crime in that state. Better not deprive them of whiskey either.
    ——————————
    rgb44hrc, I was born, raised, thrived and loved my home state of Alabama, and Tennessee, mostly because our histories have pretty much been intertwined for hundreds of years. They do love their guns [to protect themselves from an oppressive government as the 2nd Admendment guarantees as well as sport/source of food], and some love their whiskey [but seems they may have all the Puerto Rican Rum they can afford with this BAILOUT bill for the fatcats on Wall St and in our government who protected the theivery and profited from it – Dodd, Franks, nObama, etc etc etc].
    But mostly, the good folks of Alabama and Tennessee are determined not be trampled on by those who speak out of both sides of their mouth as so many politicians do today; they are God fearing, America loving, strong families who believe in living by the golden rule. Actually, Alabama’s state flag has a snake and the words “Don’t Tread On Me” which has historical significance. So, Palin’s performance will be applauded by those Joe Sixpack, Football loving, Jane Q Public types in those states. We not only listen [but remember] what you say, and then compare it with what you do, and our values always send us toward those politicians who SAY they are for the little man, family, and love of our country. We, and the rest of the nation, got bamboozled and okie doked by the Bush/Cheney debacle – and hopefully have learned from it. The only thing Sarah left out to please these every day Americans was a “Ya’ll” or a “Come back when you can stay longer.”

    As Minnie Pearl would say today, “HOOOOWdeeeee, Sarah Palin and John McCain.”

    Godspeed John McCain and Sarah Palin. God help us if nObama/Biden steal this election like in the primaries. God save our country. And God bless every American.

  323. Yes, I agree Barney Franks heart may be with low income folks…then he move to the in Housing committee not the banking committee…

    There is where the big issues are…too much conflict of interest…. especially from elite states like MA and Dodd from…CT and speaker living is liberal, money RICH SF!!!!

  324. # CountTheVotes Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    on Drudge now:
    Palin debate highest since 1992

    http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/vp-debate-ratin.html

    If it stays above 43.6, it will mean Thursday night was the highest-rated vp debate in TV history, surpassing 1984’s most-watched record holder between George Bush and Geraldine Ferrarro.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    These high ratings, it’s because of the excitement factor regarding Biden, am I right?

  325. since the treasury now has all that money..think I could get a loan?

    you guys wouldn’t mind paying off doctor bills, mortgage, credit cards and a swing through Vegas (oops I meant Six Flags) would you?

  326. If Barney Frank were dating someone at Fannie Mae, it wouldn’t be anyone named Fannie or Mae.

    But it might be Freddy or Mac.

  327. debbie: However there were some very important inclusions in the the overall bill

    one very important one was the Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008. This was soooooooo important.

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    Very, very important. Glad it finally passed. It took about 10 years.

  328. CountTheVotes Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    i thought Barney Frank was dating someone at Fannie Mae.

    When he said Fannie Mae was doing well he was probably thinking they meant him.

    oh I’m sooo bad

  329. Confloyd is at work now I am sure, but after last nights debate I am sure she will have some things to tell the bots today. I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear it.

  330. rgb – LOL. seems the guy was named Herb:

    forums.somd.com/politics/155377-barney-frank-s-fannie-mae-love-connection.html

    Frank has argued that family life “should be fair game for campaign discussion,” wrote the Associated Press on Sept. 2. The comment was in reference to GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and her pregnant daughter. “They’re the ones that made an issue of her family,” the Massachusetts Democrat said to the AP.

    The news media have covered the relationship in the past, but there have been no mentions since 2005, according to Nexis and despite the collapse of Fannie Mae. The July 3, 1998, Reliable Source column in The Washington Post reported Frank, who is openly gay, had a relationship with Herb Moses, an executive for the now-government controlled Fannie Mae. The column revealed the two had split up at the time but also said Frank was referring to Moses as his “spouse.” Another Washington Post report said Frank called Moses his “lover” and that the two were “still friends” after the breakup.

    Frank was and remains a stalwart defender of Fannie Mae, which is now under FBI investigation along with its sister organization Freddie Mac, American International Group Inc. (NYSE:AIG) and Lehman Brothers (NYSE:LEH) – all recently participants in government bailouts. But Frank has derailed efforts to regulate the institution, as well as denying it posed any financial risk. Frank’s office has been unresponsive to efforts by the Business & Media Institute to comment on these potential conflicts of interest

  331. Can i just say, as a gay man, I prefer civil unions, i hate that marriage word, its so conformist.

    As a straight woman, and a married one at that , I’d prefer it if the government kept it’s paws off my partnership altogether.

  332. the markets are dropping because they wannt more…..”telling Bush GIVE ME $100 billion additional money NOW””””

  333. I’m a Camp Wellstone graduate, I loved Paul Wellstone. he too was a fighter for Joe SixPack
    ——————————————–
    Debbie: one small antecdote to confirm your point. Years ago I was flying home from washington dc out of Reagan Airport. I was booked on Northwest Airlines with a connection through Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) airport.

    Wellstone was on my flight. They offered him a first class seat and he refused to accept it. He rode in the back of the plane in a middle seat just like the rest of us. I can think of no other member of congress who woud do that except perphaps Feingold/ When we got to MSP he got out of the airplane and mingled among the baggage handlers and listening to their problems. That was not an election year for him.

    On the basis of that single incident I formed a very favorable impresssion of the man and it was tragic to see his life cut short because there was a lot more he could have offered to the country especially at a dangerous time like this.

  334. Idunn Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    Can i just say, as a gay man, I prefer civil unions, i hate that marriage word, its so conformist.

    As a straight woman, and a married one at that , I’d prefer it if the government kept it’s paws off my partnership altogether.
    ——————–
    I’m getting married to my partner of 10 years here in CA, and my friends and family are the only ones I want to here from regarding our decision.

    Idunn I agree with you 100% the government has no business in this other than to protect my rights and freedoms as an American.

  335. forums.somd.com/politics/155377-barney-frank-s-fannie-mae-love-connection.html
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    count: wow. belay my earlier comment. I was unware of this conflict of interest. The question now becomes whether that conflict caused him the condition of Fannie Mae to investors, regulators and the American People. At a minimum it shows terrible judgement given the position of public trust that he is in as a committee chair.

  336. check out these folks…I had this info via email..avoiding long posts 🙂

    Here is a quick look into 3 former Fannie Mae executives who brought down Wall Street.

    Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines left with a ‘golden parachute valued at $240 Million in benefits.

    Tim Howard – Was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae.

    On June 16, 2006 , Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress in October 2004 when they denied manipulating the mortgage-finance giant’s income statement to achieve management pay bonuses. Investigations by federal regulators and the company’s board of directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004.

    Howard’s Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!

    Jim Johnson – A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s May 2006 report on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae, and you’ll see some interesting things about Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson’s 1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.’ Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.

    Johnson’s Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.

    WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

    —All 3 related as OBAMA advisors..

  337. During the O.J. Simpson murder trial the prosecution (Clarke, Darden and Garcetti) presented a moutain of evidence, defense attorney F. Lee Bailey/Cochrane put the LA Police Department on Trial, and the jury deliberated for a few short hours and returned a unanimous verdict of not guilty.

    How could a jury close their eyes to material facts and return such a verdict? The answer was the defense team played the race card from the bottom of the deck as one of its members, i.e. Shapior later observed in disgust. The all knowing pundits called it something else, i.e. the principle of juror nullification.

    That is what the Obama campaign has did in the primary, and is now doing in the general election. When John Kerry says vote for Obama because he is black, and when the campaign is quick to ascribe racist motives to anyone who looks at his paper thin resume, the problems facting the country and says no way.

    There needs to be a public discussion about this form of bamboozling. For starters lets give it a name. How about this: voter nullification. Then we can talk about how it destroys the fundamental premise of a democracy. That is what the Obama campaign is up to. Make no mistake about that.

  338. # rgb44hrc Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    If Barney Frank were dating someone at Fannie Mae, it wouldn’t be anyone named Fannie or Mae.

    But it might be Freddy or Mac.

    ============================

    I think its more like Barney screwed Fannie, then Freddie, then anyone else he felt like.

  339. wbboei Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
    During the O.J. Simpson murder trial the prosecution (Clarke, Darden and Garcetti) presented a moutain of evidence, defense attorney F. Lee Bailey/Cochrane put the LA Police Department on Trial, and the jury deliberated for a few short hours and returned a unanimous verdict of not guilty.

    How could a jury close their eyes to material facts and return such a verdict? The answer was the defense team played the race card from the bottom of the deck as one of its members, i.e. Shapior later observed in disgust. The all knowing pundits called it something else, i.e. the principle of juror nullification.

    That is what the Obama campaign has did in the primary, and is now doing in the general election. When John Kerry says vote for Obama because he is black, and when the campaign is quick to ascribe racist motives to anyone who looks at his paper thin resume, the problems facting the country and says no way.

    There needs to be a public discussion about this form of bamboozling. For starters lets give it a name. How about this: voter nullification. Then we can talk about how it destroys the fundamental premise of a democracy. That is what the Obama campaign is up to. Make no mistake about that.

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    My thoughts exactly!!! The OJ trial came to me mind too. This election mirrors it a lot. Funny how it turned into the Mark Furman trial and he got persecuted instead of OJ! Years later, after several stunts from OJ, including writing a book called “If I Did It” and his recent troubles, some of the people who thought that he was being unfairly prosecuted just because he was black now think that he really is a nut case!!!

    1. rgb44hrc Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    If Barney Frank were dating someone at Fannie Mae, it wouldn’t be anyone named Fannie or Mae.
    But it might be Freddy or Mac.
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    ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Good one!

    1. admin Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    Palin says she has always been proud to be an American. We immediately pictured Michelle lunging towards the TV to strangle Palin.

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    Great one admin!!!!!!! I burst out with laughter after reading your quote. Made my day. Definitely a zinger for Michelle.

    Years later

  340. So the stock market falls sharply again after the bailout gets concluded, does anyone else think someone deliberately artificially propped up the stock to make it look like the market was rallying to the call for the bill bailout and as soon as they got it, dropped it.

  341. moon:

    I think they wannt to see how the overseas mkt react….over the weekend I expect to see a lot of news annnounced…

  342. Colbert said. “Now, it is possible this is not how things panned out tonight. Could be the media is focusing on some small misstep, like Gov. Palin referring to people from Pakistan as alpacas.”
    =============

    What really happened was that Biden talked about Bosniacs iirc.

  343. Oooh FBI Raids

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/03/fbi-raids-obama-friends-office/

    FBI Raids Obama Friend’s Offices

    The FBI on Wednesday raided the county offices of a former Illinois state senator who is a poker-playing buddy of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

    According to Chicago authorities, the FBI visited the offices in Joliet, Ill., of Will County executive Larry Walsh, a longtime friend of Mr. Obama’s, and his chief of staff Matt Ryan.

    Mr. Walsh, who served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2005, was endorsed by Mr. Obama in his county executive election bid. With the support of some of Mr. Obama’s U.S. Senate volunteers, he easily defeated incumbent Republican Joseph Mikan.

    Will County auditor Steve Weber confirmed that his office had been asked by the FBI to assist in an investigation, but he did not elaborate on the specifics.

    Two FBI agents out of Chicago reportedly spent more than an hour in the Will County offices on Wednesday morning.

    According to sources, the Walsh investigation may be tied to lobbying firm Smith Dawson and Andrews, which was hired in 2006 for $10,000 per month to help Will County acquire federal grants.

  344. More shining reviews from the out of touch media.

    Sarah Palin barely meets low expectations; that’s not a victory
    Kansas City Star

    Palin Saves Herself from Herself
    Washington Post

    One thing for sure that has happened in this election cycle…the media will never be seen again as a reliable source of the truth. The misleading headlines, the bias the racism and the sexism has gone too far.

    We can correct this by forcing mandatory public financing on all elections.

    Take the $4 billion dollars of advertising out of the hands of the BM liars. Their dog in the fight has $$$$$ written all over it.

  345. Afternoon all! Palin did better than I expected. She was coherent and definitely better than the Couric interviews. Unfortunately she reminded me of why I could never vote for her or McCain- “the white flag of surrender”. Anybody who is still on the Iraq war was a good idea train has no chance to get my vote. And I didn’t like the winking at all. But she did improve her prospects for 2012, assuming McCain loses. Biden was really good and substantive. The part about losing his family was very touching. I never noticed Joe much during the primaries except for one of his speeches that CSPAN carried. And there was that great line in one of the debates about Giuliani only knowing a noun, a verb and 9/11! If only he were at the top of the ticket…

  346. “Jury nullification”? I thought that was when the jury nullifies the law. Like when the defendant was caught smoking pot but the jury said “Not guilty” because they didn’t like the law.

    What Obama did was nullify the votes and/or the voters. KNocking his opponents off the ballot in 1996 was bad enouhg, but in 2008 he prevented whole elections!

  347. The people I talk to now sneer at big media and tune them out intoto. They have no clue how far over the line the have gone and it will not get better. They are like dinosaurs in an ice age. And they have no one to blame but themselves. People need accurate information to survive. The last thing they need is serial lies and a tower of babel. But that is all big media is capable of producing anymore as someone noted above. Fine. They have written their own death warrant. I will shed no tear at their wake.

  348. Do I trust a guy that came from the Chicago political machine,
    a guy that talks the talk but never walked the walk,
    a guy that has no history of working across party lines or standing up to his own party,
    a guy that has never initiated any major policy reform during his public service,
    a guy that hides when making decisions that could be controversial,
    a guy that has several controvesial associates,
    a guy that wants government to fix all the problems and spend more taxpayer dollars?

    I can’t say NO

    I say HELL NO!!!!!!!!

  349. nikki22 – i know this might be too personal of a question, and I suppose you don’t have to answer – but do think you’ll vote for obama now? I know people who are die-hard Hillary supporters, and I know you posted here many months ago more regularly, who have flipped there because really it’s a vote against McCain/Palin…and on one level I understand because it is a choice between worse or worst…

  350. debbie Says:

    October 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
    why are the markets dropping????
    *****************************************************
    They never should have past that bailout…they should have let the markets play out and take the hit.

    We’re going into a recession either way, now we’re 11 trillion dollars in debt. I’m voting McCain/Palin because they spoke the truth…It’s time to conserve and save money. reduce government spending and realise that we’re in a bear market.

    This country need to start mining their resources over here and stop makeing other country wealthy off of our money. Drill baby Drill and pump up our own economy.

    I hated that bill and the market is going to tank anyway. What is interesting is that if the Democrats had backed Hillary Clinton last year we would be in better shape but they had to politics with our economy.

    All that Democratic spending that Obama/Biden has been talking about is plain nuts at this time.

  351. wbboei,

    I think who gets extra points for style in lying are Obama’s campaign people, Pftueffe or whoever. You don’t come right out with a lie in a main clause, where soemoen could easily object to it. You hide it in a subordinate clause or as an assumption.

  352. Hillary Praises Palins performance very highly

    Obama’s going to go nuts.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/hillary-palin-c.html

    ABC News’ Nitya Venkataraman Reports: If you were asking her to score it, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., would describe Sen. Joe Biden’s debate performance as “flawless”, and tell you she’d always expected high marks for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on the debate stage.

    “I think she’s very good,” Clinton said, praising Palin on Ryan Seacrest’s Los Angeles-based radio show Friday morning. “It’s amazing: she’s been thrust into the national spotlight with very little preparation and I think that, all things considered, you saw a very composed and effective debater last night.”

    Praise for Palin’s debate performance aside, Clinton reiterated her support for her former Democratic rivals during the morning radio interview and said “the real issue is who is better for America.”

  353. She was winking at her dad as she talked about her family of school teachers. With most answers she had a funny line or two in the beginning and then she got really serious while talking about the issue. I can tolerate her idiosyncrasies (like winking) better than all the Washington speak and lying that Biden did. Unfortunately she could not catch him because that would have meant cramming at least 10 years of Biden into 5 weeks.

  354. CountTheVotes,
    No, I’m not at a place where I can support Obama yet. Really for me it won’t matter- I live in Tennessee. This state isn’t remotely competitive so my little voting against JM/Palin wouldn’t even make a dent. You know something? I actually want to really be excited about him, about supporting the democratic nominee. I’ve listened to Hillary and the big dawg say why he would be a good president, I’ve tried to be fair and look at the positives of his candidacy. Nobody is perfect I keep telling myself but still there’s just something missing. Can’t quite put my finger on it. So for right now it’s not him or McCain.

  355. the markets dropped more than 2000 points from 8/24 to 9/21/01
    We survived

    We did not need this bailout and I’m getting sick and tired of congress attaching other bills to legislation.

    either it will stand on it’s merits or it won’t.

    this method of slipping legislation into other bills is deceptive to the people. if something is unpopular then it needs to fail.

    congress took cover behind the extended tax credits instead of working on real financial reform of our markets. O’Reilly was right..they are cowards and they voted present on the bailout.

    THROW THEM ALL OUT

  356. h4t said re equal pay bill:
    Personally, I think the current 180 day rule to sue is crap, but unlimited may be a bit much for some conservatives to swallow. I’d like to see a compromise bill that allows 5 years or something.
    ==============

    I agree. Where’s Goldilocks? Maybe Palin should put out a statement on what deadline and other details they would support.

    Legislation is complicated. Bill Clinton voted for the ‘defense of marriage act’ and HIllary said this year that if they hadn’t signed that, the anti-gay people would have done something worse.

  357. nikki said: So for right now it’s not him or McCain.
    =========

    Fine. Since your state isn’t a close race, you can send a message of “Here’s a liberal who doesn’t like Obama” by voting Green or Nader

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