The Obama, McCain Fundamentals

Before returning to our scheduled articles (Rezko and advice for Palin) we decided to comment again on the Wall Street bailout plan.

We commented on the Wall Street bailout plan last Friday with a loud “NO CONFIDENCE”.

We faulted both the Republicans for their deregulation madness and general philosophy regarding government and markets and we faulted the Dimocrats because they preached fairness economics but luxuriated in various schemes which amount to a culture of corruption.

We praised Hillary Clinton for once again proposing the right remedies and having our trust on economic issues.

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During the weekend we witnessed our Congress at work. There was a deal, there was no deal, there was a deal. Then on Monday there was a vote. There was no deal. The markets fainted and lost 777 points.

Monday night the financial analysts and the political prognosticators outdid themselves. These “geniuses” stated that Congress would be forced to act by the markets on Tuesday. These “geniuses” stated that the markets would react violently on Tuesday. Instead the markets rose about 500 points.

Having been totally wrong all along, the “geniuses” stated that the markets rose because the markets expected Congress to bail them out. These “geniuses” arrived at that conclusion not with any empirical data but with their now proven-to-be-faulty analytical minds.

Maybe the markets rose because there was profit to be made? After all, for years these same analysts advised “buy” when the market went down because that is where opportunity lurked. Of course, these same analysts advised “buy” when the markets went up because there was so much money to be made. “Up” or “down” the advice was always the same from these “geniuses” – “buy”. We knew their advice was self-interested and always took their advice with large quantities of salted doubt.

These self-interested “geniuses” were also the ones who advised homeowners to rethink the paradigm of their homes. “Think of your house as an investment” they said. No longer was a house a home, a shelter from the storm. No, these “geniuses” turned homes into investments and advised “equity loans” taken against the value of the house. “Reverse mortgages” and other financial instruments were devised. “Debt” was turned into an “asset” and sold as something of value.

During the dot com bubble Warren Buffet warned against buying stock in companies with no assets and no profits, no plans. Few listened to the sane fundamentals Warren Buffet espoused. When the dot coms went bust Buffet “the fuddy-duddy” who worried about fundamental principles was again proclaimed a visionary.

A good rule is “if something is too good to be true, then it probably is too good to be true.” Another good rule is to not let yourself be cowed by high pressure salesmen. This past week has been a prime example of what high pressure salesmen do. If you are told “Take it or leave it – NOW” leave it. The product is not as advertised. It’s the old Iraq razzle-dazzle.

Many Americans, aware that something has to be done, still in their bones knew something was wrong with the bailout of Wall Street. Most Americans might not know the esoteric language of the financial “geniuses” but most Americans know they are being bamboozled and sold a pig in a poke.

Hillary understood:

Clinton suggested negotiators on the government bailout package should “maybe cool off a little from the emotion and the pressure of the last two weeks and get back to Washington starting tomorrow and do what we have to do to try to stabilize not only our nation but the entire world.”

Voters furious over the proposal to have taxpayers foot the bill should understand that it’s not just a problem facing bankers, Clinton said.

“They have to recognize that we are facing a very serious economic slowdown, a recession that could be of long-lasting and deep impact,” she said.

Without a bailout, Clinton said, “I think it will be even more expensive and difficult to dig ourselves out of this deep hole that we’re in.”

No, it is not just a bankers problem, but thus far it is only a bankers bailout. And it is a bailout. However, now that the bailout has failed, it is being “rebranded” by the “geniuses”. Now it is called a “rescue” – different lipstick color, same pig. The old razzle-dazzle.

Craig Crawford smells out a pigsty too:

How did anyone think the public would get behind something sold as a bailout of Wall Street multi-millionaires? Make it a bailout of homeowners, and you would have something that could pass in Congress.

But to do that, the Bush administration needs to put something in the package that might actually help homeowners — like giving bankruptcy judges the power to order modifications of usurious loans. Or maybe some protections against exorbitant credit card interest.

If this bailout ends up as a better deal for average homeowners in crisis, Monday’s turmoil in Congress will have been a very good thing.

Dimocrats like John Edwards and his bankruptcy lawyer wife Elizabeth pushed through the bankruptcy bill which should have been called the Predatory Lenders Protection Act. These predatory lenders with their usurious interest rates knew many of the people taking out predatory loans could not afford to keep their houses. The predatory lenders figured they would bilk these fools out of mortgage payments for several months or years before the houses would be foreclosed. The problem now is that too many of these predatory lenders’ schemes worked as planned and now too many houses are being foreclosed driving down further the value of these “illiquid assets” formerly known as “homes”.

We now more than ever vote “NO CONFIDENCE”. Do it right. Don’t be high pressured. Don’t be distracted by the razzle-dazzle.

We trust Hillary Clinton on these issues.

McCain had the right instincts in calling for the firing of the SEC’s Chis Cox. Firings focus the mind. Accountability used to be a Democratic value. Republican McCain has not had a great history on regulatory issues. Now McCain appears to be calling for regulation and that is a good thing from someone who might, just might, maybe, possibly, be trusted.

We do not trust Barack Obama on economic issues or fairness issues. We believe in fundamentals. The fundamental fact is that when the choice was Antoin “Tony” Rezko or his freezing constituents – Obama cared only for Tony Rezko. That is a fundamental fact about Obama which we do not forget. For Obama Big Money talks, the poor should shut up.

Americans might be getting razzle dazzled by Big Media and Obama right now. But we believe in fundamentals. During the primaries demographics were destiny. Undecideds and late deciders went against Obama. After the glitz, the voters in the booth knew:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

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405 thoughts on “The Obama, McCain Fundamentals

  1. D-OH Marcy Kaptur says it like it is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAADyc6t4nY

    Make this YouTube viral……….it would make a great McCain ad.
    Where has this brave and smart Democrat been hiding? This would make a great and powerful McCain ad.

    NO IFILL FOR DEBATE!!!!! You had may as well give Biden a loaded shotgun aimed at Palin’s head, right between the eyes and shoot her while all the school children are forced to watch – and sing the nObama song!

  2. I just sent the following email to Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, and Greta VanSustern at Fox:
    Dear, dear Sean, Bill and Greta,

    You three are the only sane media voices [even now and even though I have not like how FOX has changed since Bill O interviewed nObama- did the network make a deal that was unhealthy for the viewers in order to get nObama to agree to the interview?]

    D-OH Marcy Kaptur says it like it is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAADyc6t4nY

    Make this YouTube viral……….it would make a great McCain ad.
    Where has this brave and smart Democrat been hiding? This would make a great and powerful McCain ad.

    NO IFILL FOR DEBATE!!!!! You had may as well give Biden a loaded shotgun aimed at Palin’s head, right between the eyes and shoot her while all the school children are forced to watch – and sing the nObama song!

    [my real name]

    Hillary Republican [now a registered Independent Florida voter for McCain, and especially PALIN]

    You can send one too:
    ‘Hannity@foxnews.com’; ‘oreilly@foxnews.com’;
    ‘gretawire@fox.com’

  3. Welcome back, Admin! So glad the thugs, bots and radicals didn’t get you! Thanks for this article.

  4. ADMIN: I run out of superlatives to describe your wisdom and work. Your posting here is the voice of common sense rising above the shrill noise of the CARTEL, i.e. Bambi, Wall Sreet and Big Media hucksters. Your voice= Hillary’s voice= the voice of the American People. It is the path to victory here. McCain in 08= Hillary in 2012.

  5. I aint worried about the polls, look folks.

    No need to panic, we knew they were going to pull this bull, its classic like what they did in the primaries to Hillary, make Bambi look good then lose by a mile, remember california, said he’d win by 10, he lost by 9, said he’d win RI, had him tied, lost by 18, said he’d win ohio, had him up 4 to 6 in most, lost by 10, said he’d win Mass, had him tied, he lost by 150,000 votes, said he’d win texas had him up 4, he lost by 100,000 votes. Pensylvania, had him tied or winning over Hillary, he lost by 10 and 250,000 votes.

    So go figure, what do you think they are doing, i can see it.

  6. If I had a dollar for everytime they said Obama was going to win a state and then the actual voting mirrored nothing like it went, then i’d be rich now.

  7. Well this is interesting, well we knew it.

    New Voters May Not Vote, Poll Indicates

    51% not interested in the election to vote.

    http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212175811.shtml

    The crush of newly registered voters may skew for Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race but they may not show up to vote, a poll indicates.

    A national poll of Americans eligible to vote for the first time or who missed the 2004 elections but are registered, found new voters back Obama, D-Ill., over Republican challenger, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, by 61 percent to 30 percent, The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

    The poll — conducted by the Journal, NBC News and the MySpace social networking Web site — also indicates that 49 percent of the new voters said they were very interested in the Nov. 4 election. By comparison, 70 percent of all age groups said they were very interested in the election in a Journal-NBC News national poll a week ago.

    The latest poll is the first to survey new and lapsed voters, the Journal said. More than 75 percent of the sampling of 614 voters registered for the first time this year and mostly were young adults. The remaining were older voters who registered previously but said they skipped the 2004 elections.

    The survey included interviews conducted on the Internet and by telephone and has a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

    we have a name for candidates that rely on the youth vote — we call them losers.

  8. D-OH Marcy Kaptur is one of the best people in congress. I wrote a bill on a consumer issue 10 years ago–for a grass roots republican. Big business republicans refused to sign it, democratic elitists of the pelosi crew refused to sign it, the support for it came from centrist democrats like Marcy. I rate her very highly. And as I recall she was a Hillary supporter–no surprise there.

  9. I like how that Marcy Kaptur speaks…I still don’t like Sec. Paulson expansion of power. Don’t like that at all, and I don’t see the need to rush this bill when Paulson said it wasn’t going to be implemented until after the election.

    So where is the Emergency? Why not hold hearings and find out where the problem is. On this issue I don’t even blame GWB that much because he is relying on his advisors to tell him what to do. I don’t trust Paulson because he is part of the problem and he is thinking about his friends on Wall Street first not the people or this country.

    Already, businesses are making plans to curb their out of control speanding until they are financially fit to expand. We are going into a reccession because of over extending the credit card. And student loans…wouldn’t it be better like Hillary Clinton said…and have the Government remove the middleman and direct loan at 6% instead of 24-30%.

    Auto dealerships…please card prices are ridiculus so be it if people with bad credit can’t get new car loans with no deposit or less then 10% down on a 40,000 cars.

    Let the credit market work itself out or Congress can do non Tax Payer money steps like changing the accounting, lower capital gains…arrest those how commited frauds so they are no longer benefiting and causing problems.

    Congress should do their jobs and the media should report, not shape the news through fear.

  10. I just saw John McCain on c-span….laid out his view on this bailout and a few ideas for his first year…

    short, simple. REALISTIC…..like one who knows we hve problems and the first few steps we need to take on this long recovery from GWB….

    I will not use Bush because even though I did not like Bush I, the father is NOT responsible for his idiot son…

  11. Bush: If this were a dictatorship, this would be alot easier. . . .just as long as I am the dictator (ha ha ha) . . .

    Many a truth is said in jest.

    This time Blair was not there to turn off the microphone.

    In an unguarded moment Bambi would say the same thinking.

  12. carbynew….

    the bill – which I do not like – is in 3 phases…

    a) 250 billion immediately…
    b) 100 billion for the president …current or future depends…
    c) 350 billion will be voted by congress…current of future depends on conditions…

    so essentially, b is for the presidential candidates to suggest means of using it when if etc..
    c is for the congress…who gets elected in will have a large say…..

  13. moononpluto Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    New Voters May Not Vote, Poll Indicates

    51% not interested in the election to vote.

    http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212175811.shtml

    The crush of newly registered voters may skew for Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race but they may not show up to vote, a poll indicates.
    &&&&&&&&&

    This is not too surprising. If someone has spent their whole life disinterested in polictics, and gets a little excited about it in like January, “Hey, I feel kinda inspired by that Obama feller…not sure why”, this is not the same as the kind of die hard activists that the Damnocrats have successfully turned into McCain supporters this year.

    I’ll be voting Repub for the first time in my life.

    Way to go, Pelosi. Reid. Brazile. Dean. Obama.

  14. mp,

    b) means that if we are punished and end up with Obama, he will use this money for his own agenda. Corruption will be the name of the game.

  15. mp, I did not like Bush I either, but he was not an incompetent power-grabbing moron like his son. He was at least somewhat sensible in many things. Obama is MUCH like GW Bush in his attitudes and character – worse, in my mind.

  16. Obama is still trying to bribe people to vote Democrat with all his spending plans, even after this mess.

    I.DONT.TRUST.OBAMA.AND.THE.DEMOCRATIC.TALIBAN.PARTY!

  17. mp, that other 350 billion was not to be voted in by Congress, the way I read it. It would be done automatically, unless congress prevents it within a 15 day window at the time. Yeah, like they are going to do that.

  18. That is why the next president needs to a proven, trusted and RESPONSIBLE person!!!!

    No other characteristic is needed any more for the leader of the world…..

    just a simple, humble person whose word we can trust or put faith in.

  19. Sandra Bernhard ousted from fundraiser over Palin comments
    By Jessica Heslam
    Wednesday, October 1, 2008 http://www.bostonherald.com

    A Boston shelter for homeless women has dropped controversial comedian Sandra Bernhard as the marquee speaker at its annual fund-raising event because of her “gang rape” joke about Sarah Palin.

    Sue Marsh, executive director of Rosie’s Place, said today that she learned of Bernhard’s remarks yesterday after getting an e-mail about them.

    “We were horrified so we decided that we wouldn’t have her at our event,” Marsh said.

    Bernhard said during a comedy routine last month that Palin, John McCain’s GOP running mate, would be “gang-raped” by blacks if she came to Manhattan.

    Bernhard was billed as this year’s special guest for the 9th annual Funny Women, Series Business to benefit Rosie’s Place.

    Marsh said the Oct. 16 event at the Hynes Convention Center will still go on as planned but a replacement for Bernhard hasn’t been tapped.

    news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1122780

  20. Great points in this article, admin, and I love the razzle dazzle clip! The public is getting wise to the HURRY HURRY HURRY, NO TIME TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OMG PASS THIS NOW!!! trick.

    I want hearings. I want economists on the floor of congress arguing both sides and presenting solutions. I want transparency. I want hard numbers, not a 700 billion figure that even Paulson admits they pulled out of their ass based on nothing at all. I want the experts with NO vested interest in this to speak, and that does not include Goldman Sachs CEO’s.

    I will NOT support any bill with a gun to my head. Never. Never again. If they want my support, then give me INFO and a clear and transparent legislative process with OPEN debate. Otherwise, I will oppose every damn bill they come up with, and call my senators and reps screaming about it. I can survive a tanked economy. I’ve been poor, and can do it again if need be. Can they? I am calling the fucking bluff. NO MORE SECRETIVE, BACKROOM DEALT LEGISLATION.

  21. The evil of this deal between GWB and Pelosi/Reid is that it is mostly a slush-fund for they assume, BHO and his Dimocratic congress. This will feed corruption for at least the first year of his presidency and will make Rezko influence peddling look like small change.

    WRITE THE HOUSE GOP MEMBERS: STAND FIRM AND PRESS FOR INSURANCE/HOLC + NO-BAILOUT. HILLFRIENDS: NOBAMA, NOVEMBER.

  22. I put this in the last thread…

    Senate was trying to pass the India/nnuclear deal this evening whihc the house passed last week…apparently Biden wanted it done this evening…per Dodd…

    maybe use it as leverage tomorrow night against Palin???

  23. Explainer: How the Senate Rescue Bill Is Different
    By Ben Pershing ….Washington Post 1 Oct. ‘08
    Two days after the House failed to pass a financial rescue bill, sending the stock market into free fall, the Senate will take its own shot tonight by voting on a measure with extra sweeteners designed to attract additional votes.
    The Senate bill encompasses the entire House bill, plus an attached “tax extender” measure as well as a proposal to increase the limits on bank deposits that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation from the current $100,000 to $250,000. Both Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.) have asked for the FDIC change, which is also popular with House Republicans.
    As for the tax package, the Senate rescue bill will be coupled with the “Renewable Energy and Job Creation Act of 2008.” The measure passed the House back in May and then passed the Senate in amended form last Tuesday. That Senate version will hitch a ride on the rescue bill tonight, and it includes extensions of expiriing business tax credits, tax incentives for clean energy production and a provision to prevent more taxpayers from being subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax.
    A detailed summary of the bill can be found on the Finance Committee Web site, but here are the highlights:
    • $18 billion in incentives for clean energy, including credits for production of wind, solar, biofuels and fuel-cell power as well as for “clean coal” and electric cars.
    • An increase in the income threshold at which people are affected by the Alternative Minimum Tax. The AMT was originally designed to prevent the wealthy from avoiding paying taxes, but because it was not indexed to inflation, it has impacted an increasing number of middle-class taxpayers, so Congress has passed a series of “patches” to boost the threshold each year.
    • Extensions and/or expansions of dozens of expiring tax credits for businesses and individuals, including for research and development, certain charitable contributions, investments in the District of Columbia, state and local sales taxes and school tuition payments.
    • Tax breaks and incentives for businesses and individuals affected by Hurricane Ike as well as Midwestern floods and tornadoes.
    The tax bill passed the Senate 93-2 last week, so it obviously has strong support there. It is also attractive to House Republicans, whose votes will be vital when that chamber takes up the rescue bill again, which could happen as soon as tomorrow. Republican leaders hope the addition of the extenders bill will give GOP lawmakers who voted no on the rescue bill Monday a plausible reason to change their vote.
    But the measure could cause problems for House Democrats. The majority party is nominally committed to PAYGO, or “pay-as-you-go,” budget rules, which mandate that any spending increase or tax cut be offset by a corresponding spending cut or tax increase. Democrats have sidestepped that rule frequently this Congress, but the Blue Dogs — a coalition of conservative Democrats — is particularly committed to PAYGO, and many of the group’s members are opposed to the Senate tax bill because most of it is not offset.
    Will that budgetary problem be enough to prompt some Blue Dogs to vote against the entire rescue bill the second time around? And would those opponents be offset by new Republican votes in favor of the package? House leaders are scrambling to figure out that calculus in the next 24 hours.
    By Ben Pershing | October 1, 2008; 12:10 PM ET Agenda , Senate

  24. Ifill Tower?

    Gwen Ifill story now as mainstream as it gets, lead story on yahoo. That’s when you know a story is no longer “under the radar”.

    The assumption is: she’ll tough it out, and go on with the show, and try to be fair.

    But, these things can build to crescendos. We’ve seen it with congressional resignations, Alberto Gonzalez’s resignation, Bush caving in to this or that.

    Keep the heat on this woman, who like Obama, cannot be trusted.

    Hey, I might be smart enough to moderate a debate, but if someone saw my anti-Obama stance on this web-site, they’d say I should back out.

    Gwen, you’re becoming the story. Get out now.

  25. I helped a new rep is special electionn my district 6 months ago..worked on her campaign as she was a hillary delegate….

    She voted for this bill…next week I am going to stop by her office and ask for her reasons and whether she will make sure that Nancy is not going to the next speaker. If she cannot explain her reasons and her continued support for nancy, I will go talk with the moderate GOP candidate. He is a CPA…at least he can make me understand a few things that this issue…

    I may just vote for him…even if he does not win…

  26. ShortTermer Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
    I just sent the following email to Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, and Greta VanSustern at Fox:
    Dear, dear Sean, Bill and Greta,

    You three are the only sane media voices [even now and even though I have not like how FOX has changed since Bill O interviewed nObama- did the network make a deal that was unhealthy for the viewers in order to get nObama to agree to the interview?]
    ***************************

    Add LOU DOBBS, he is the man

  27. Hillary says it may not be perfect, but we cannot afford to wait till we come up with the perfect solution: i.e. the longer we wait the more it’s going to cost us

  28. Look if it SMALL business tax decreases, then it is fine…because more people will be unemployed in the next few months due to bank consolidation and small businesses can employ a few people; and that AMT has been a disaster for the last 15 yrs……

  29. The expectations for Palin are so low that if she doesn’t pick her nose at the debate, she wins.

    BTW, I have no doubt Bush’s horrible approval ratings are a major drag on McCain right now. The new time poll has Bush at 23 percent – Nixon territory.

  30. I sent the video of the singing children to a dear friend who was a strong Hillary supporter with the subject line, “creepy or sweet?” Her response was rather strongly worded saying, essentially, “We always teach our children to sing patriotic songs and I’m not supporting Obama, but can’t we all just get along?” It is our responsibilty to remain vigilant and keep fighting – but I wonder if many Americans are just being worn down by all this. My response, below.
    * * * * *
    Dear ______,
    Yes, these little video ditties are harmless enough. But, set in context with all the fainting and koolaid-drinking, Rev. G’Damn America Wright marxism, Billy “sorry we didn’t bomb the capitol more” Ayers, communist Frank Marshall, support for cousin Odinga of the sharia law and ethnic genocide, ACORN vote fraud, Hamas endorsements, law enforcement infringing free speech in Missouri… the context paints a different picture. I’ve always thought that we teach our children patriotism as a common love of our country – not love for one particular “dear leader.” Government mandated singing may well have begun in this way. Creepiness is evidently in the eye of the beholder. I hope that every undecided voter gets a look at it.

  31. October 01, 2008
    A Debate ‘Moderator’ in the Tank for Obama
    By Michelle Malkin

    My dictionary defines “moderator” as “the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting.” On Thursday, PBS anchor Gwen Ifill will serve as moderator for the first and only vice presidential debate. The stakes are high. The Commission on Presidential Debates, with the assent of the two campaigns, decided not to impose any guidelines on her duties or questions.

    But there is nothing “moderate” about where Ifill stands on Barack Obama. She’s so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running out.

    In an imaginary world where liberal journalists are held to the same standards as everyone else, Ifill would be required to make a full disclosure at the start of the debate. She would be required to turn to the cameras and tell the national audience that she has a book coming out on Jan. 20, 2009 — a date that just happens to coincide with the inauguration of the next president of the United States.

    The title of Ifill’s book? “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.” Nonpartisan my foot.

    Random House, her publisher, is already busy hyping the book with YouTube clips of Ifill heaping praise on her subjects, including Obama and Obama-endorsing Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick. The official promo for the book gushes:

    “In ‘The Breakthrough,’ veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama’s stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power… Drawing on interviews with power brokers like Sen. Obama, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and many others, as well as her own razor-sharp observations and analysis of such issues as generational conflict and the ‘black enough’ conundrum, Ifill shows why this is a pivotal moment in American history.”

    Ifill and her publisher are banking on an Obama/Biden win to buoy her book sales. The moderator expected to treat both sides fairly has grandiosely declared this the “Age of Obama.” Can you imagine a right-leaning journalist writing a book about the “stunning” McCain campaign and its “bold” path to reform timed for release on Inauguration Day — and then expecting a slot as a moderator for the nation’s sole vice presidential debate?

    Yeah, I just registered 6.4 on the Snicker Richter Scale, too.

    Despite the protestations of her colleagues that she will be fair, Ifill has appeared on numerous radio and TV talk shows over the past several months to cash in on her access to the Obama campaign. She recently penned a fawning cover story on the Obamas for Essence magazine that earned much buzz. The title? “The Obamas: Portrait of an American Family.” A sample of Ifill’s hard-hitting investigative journalism, illustrated with Kennedy-esque photos of the Obamas and children posing at home on the back porch and by the piano:

    “Barack Obama is sitting in the back of his rented luxury campaign bus with its granite counters and two flat-screen TVs. The Illinois senator’s arms are wrapped around his wife, Michelle, whom he doesn’t get to see much these days. At this very moment he is, of all things, singing.”

    During the Democratic National Convention, Ifill offered her neutral analysis on NBC News before Michelle Obama’s speech: “A lot of people have never seen anything that looks like a Michelle Obama before. She’s educated, she’s beautiful, she’s tall, she tells you what she thinks and they hope that she can tell a story about Barack Obama and about herself.”

    During the Republican National Convention, the PBS ombudsman fielded numerous complaints about Ifill’s coverage of Sarah Palin’s speech. Wrote Brian Meyers of Granby, Ct.:

    “I was appalled by Gwen Ifill’s commentary directly following Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech. Her attitude was dismissive and the look on her face was one of disgust. Clearly, she was agitated by what most critics view as a well-delivered speech. It is quite obvious that Ms. Ifill supports Obama as she struggled to say anything redemptive about Gov. Palin’s performance. I am disappointed in Ms. Ifill’s complete disregard for journalistic objectivity.”

    Like Obama, Ifill, who is black, is quick to play the race card at the first sign of criticism. In an interview with the Washington Post a few weeks ago, she carped: “[N]o one’s ever assumed a white reporter can’t cover a white candidate.”

    It’s not the color of your skin, sweetie. It’s the color of your politics. Perhaps Ifill will be able to conceal it this week. But if the “stunning” “Breakthrough” she’s rooting for comes to pass on Jan. 20, 2009, nobody will be fooled.

  32. IFILL TRIFLE:

    The “ref” has money on the game. Ergo, the ref needs to be removed from officiating The Big Game.

  33. I am appalled that Ifill is the moderator. She is so biased, that it oozes from her, like slime. Arrogant, condescending, and angry.

  34. Having gone just about 180 degrees from my strong, strong Democratic support, like others here, I have vertigo from the sharp turns.

    In spite of rooting for the bailout to fail, I listened to Warren Buffett this morning and he says Congress must pass a bill and delay is very harmful. He was asked if things could go on if there’s no bill. He said no. He said his buying into GE and Goldman would be “really stupid things” if Congress doesn’t do the right things. So I’m rooting for them to pass a smart bill.

    As for Gwen Ifill, I think they should leave her now as at least there will be no debate about her objectivity and Palin may benefit from it. Although the debate board is being criticized for naming Ifill, I think the question to be asked is why, in God’s name, did she say yes? I think it will be an unerasable blot on her name that she didn’t think of the process first and say she had a conflict of interest.

    And finally, Senators should stop telling us that the economy needs help and start debating what sort of help would be best (as Hillary just did).

  35. Caught part of the Hustlers speech today and watched the many idiots waving cheering drooling and the white gals getting it of for a hug and a kiss from the chosen one.He had a Telepromter list full of goodies for everyone in the country and he gave away everything but the kitchen sink.He still has that left over from the debates with Hillary when she hung him out to dry.These Hustlernuts are so happy that he is going to make them all rich and they will never have to work or worry again just as long as he is in the whitehouse.The Hustler grinds out this BS like fertilizer for the minds of these dimwitted dreamers.He is a threat to our country and to our world.Never in our history has there ever been such a totally unfit and devious candidate for such a high office and no one knows where he is from what he believes what are his intentions and who is really funding this fraud and who are his cohorts in this great takeover of our democracy.He must be stopped and exposed now or the damage will be irreversable and devastating for our freedoms and hopes for a better life for all.The only hope for sanity to return to our way of life is still out there fighting for her country and its people . HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and she is ready now.

    BY ABM90

  36. If Ifill is close to being right, and this is the “Age of Obama”, we are in HUGE trouble.

    Makes the economic crisis seem just annoying in comparison.

  37. Ifill is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. It’s all good for Palin because the truth is out.

  38. Using panic to pass pork: look what taxpayers will pay for
    The New Bill Includes
    Here are some of the special-interest provisions that are now part of the Wall Street bailout legislation. The bill started at 3 pages, grew to 106 pages, and is now 451 pages.
    * Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
    * Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
    * 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
    * Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
    * American Samoa (Sec. 309)
    * Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
    * Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
    * Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
    * Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
    * Railroads (Sec. 316)
    * Auto Racing Tracks (317)
    * District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
    * Wool Research (Sec. 325)

    A liitle Puerto Rico Rum and Some Racing all courtesy of the taxpayers

    h t t p : / / countusout.wordpress.com/

  39. on another blog i got served because i let them know what my Financial adviser said. We are getting out of 19% of our portfolio after the bounce that will take when this fraud package goes thru and wait with that part, 19%, till we see something to put it back on. he said we are in for a slippery ride for some time maybe the Dow goes down to 8,000, 9,000 before everything shakes out. Jobs are going to be lost, no way around it. My husband and i lost in the high 6 figures after 9/11 with a different guy and this guy has been a God send.
    Well i was told i was panicking people. i was just trying to let them know where my guy was coming fro. This guy knows Paulson. he knows what is going on, he is connected.I did not say take everything out, we are looking @ 19% of our portfolio only.

    What do you guys think. I have had to go back to work after 9/11 and the loses. I am not complaining, I am grateful I have a career in demand as a RN. We were in shock after the loses in 01/02. I was just trying to help, sorry if people took it that way.

  40. Any update on the Philip Berg suit, and the Obama campaign move to dismiss?

    And what is that web site that has oodles of detail on Berg and the suit?

  41. Well, if the McCain campaign and the RNC don’t start rolling out the big anti-Obama guns after the VP debate, I think they have decided to throw the election. IF Obama enters the WH on 01/20/09 and inherits the gigantic economic shit pile….he will uhh..uhh..I..I..uhh..uhh.for four years as the Country goes into an depression. Beginning in 2012 the Repubs will own the WH for at least the next 1/4 century.

    The truth about Obama is politically lethal..we know it, the 15% undecideds don’t. If the Repubs don’t start playing hardball next week, then we are well and truly screwed, IMHO.

  42. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14158_Page2.html

    On small stage, Palin scored big debate wins
    By ALEXANDER BURNS | 10/1/08 4:51 AM EDT

    After delivering halting, unsteady performances in recent interviews with ABC’s Charlie Gibson and CBS’s Katie Couric, expectations are low for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in Thursday’s vice presidential debate in St. Louis.

    Yet a review of Palin’s experience during her 2006 campaign for governor, when she engaged in a long series of debates with her opponents, suggests she is a more formidable adversary than is widely thought.

    Unlike her opponent Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, who has considerable presidential-level debate experience, Palin has never been involved in a debate where the questions were national and global in scope.

    But she is familiar operating in a high-stakes debate environment against older, more seasoned pols who seemingly have better command of the issues.

    In 2006, with no experience as a statewide officeholder, Palin ran what amounted to a debate gauntlet, beginning in the Republican primary against incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski and former state Sen. John Binkley, and then in the general election, against former Democratic Gov. Tony Knowles and former state Rep. Andrew Halcro, an independent.

    Against that experienced opposition, Palin proved herself to be a comfortable and confident debater, not exactly deeply versed in the issues but unusually adept at dodging controversy and quick to take advantage of opponents’ missteps. Not one to throw an unnecessary punch, Palin took a patient approach, waiting for her rivals to expose their weak points – and then striking fast.

    “Anyone who watches any of her previous debates would be impressed by her debating skills,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Saturday, in an attempt to raise expectations for Palin’s performance. “She has performed very, very well.”

    Perhaps the best illustration of her style came on August 8, 2006, during a primary election debate featuring the unpopular incumbent Murkowski, himself a veteran of more than two decades in the U.S. Senate, and Binkley. Palin, by then the GOP frontrunner, kept a wary distance from her rivals, who bickered bitterly.

    When Murkowski, taking a caustic tone against his much younger opponents, charged that Binkley did not understand an issue related to fuel company taxation, Binkley replied, “I understand it perfectly.” Murkowski shot back angrily: “No, you don’t.”

    Palin, rather than join in the exchange, sat back until her opponents’ anger reached a boiling point, and then, with a voice just slightly raised, chimed in: “You know, you guys, we owe Alaskans a better discourse than this.”

    “Respect to our listeners and our viewers,” she continued, “I think we need to speak respectfully and orderly here.”

    In a single deft blow, Palin made the older men look childish. And she did it calmly, with an upbeat tone of voice.

    Palin used a similar rhetorical method earlier in the debate, responding to Binkley’s attacks on her brief career in government by telling the veteran legislator: “I’m sure you did a good job back there in the ’80s, early ’90s.”

    From her cheerful tone, a listener might have thought Palin was complimenting her opponent – if not for the slightly dismissive edge that crept into her voice as she mentioned Binkley’s past experience, as if she were describing an episode in ancient history.

    In the general election, Palin employed the same debating style, keeping out of fights between Knowles, the former two-term Democratic governor, and Halcro, and jumping in only when the political terrain seemed favorable.

    In a November 2 debate, immediately before the general election, Palin laughed off a particularly acrimonious exchange between her two opponents, joking: “I’m just glad I’m sitting here in between ’em to make sure it doesn’t get out of hand.”

    When offered the opportunity to jab or trivialize her rivals, she took it. Asked whether she would find a place in her administration for Knowles, a former businessman and restaurateur, Palin quipped: “Do they need a chef down there in Juneau? I know that is what he enjoys.”

    In this debate, Palin revealed a glimpse into her vice presidential campaign’s antagonistic relationship with the media, gently needling one moderator, who had once worked in Knowles’s administration, by referring to the two-term governor as “your old boss.”

    Just as damaging for her opponents as Palin’s stiletto-with-a-smile approach was her apparent ability to deflect every attack launched her way. When the subject of her relative inexperience came up in the August 8 debate, Palin seemed bemused that her opponents would even raise the subject, smiling as the moderator noted that Binkley had tried to coax her into running for lieutenant governor on his ticket.

    Binkley, not sensing the risk of looking condescending, jumped in with a hamfisted note: “She would have been a great lieutenant governor.”

    Palin’s conservative stances on social issues were irresistible to some of her foes, but her performance in an October 4, 2006, forum organized by the group Alaska Conservation Voters suggests she is not only comfortable discussing them but adroit at turning the tables.

    At the largely nonconfrontational event, the temperature raised a bit when Halcro pointedly quizzed Palin about her position on abortion, implying that her stance on the issue put her at odds with the Alaska constitution.

    Even as the audience applauded, apparently in sympathy with Halcro, Palin took the microphone and, without missing a beat, told listeners that “abortion, a sensitive, private issue [was] being used to divide and politicize.”

    “You know, there are conservation issues that we were going to be talking about today,” Palin said, adding with an almost lethal friendliness: “Andrew, bless your heart, you know my position on abortion. I’m pro-life.”

    In the November 2 debate with Knowles and Halcro, Palin responded just as effectively to aggressive questioning on the same subject. When a moderator pressed her to respond to provocative hypothetical questions involving pregnancies in her own family, Palin, smiling, said: “Again, I would choose life, and certainly I’m quite confident here you’re going to be asking my opponents these same scenarios.”

    Still, for all her success on Alaska’s small stage, her contest with Biden will be different than any other debate the governor has participated in, and not just because of the size of the television audience.

    In a one-on-one debate with Biden, Palin will not be able to position herself above the fray, as she did so effectively in the gubernatorial campaign. She’ll have to confront Biden much more directly, and the Delaware senator may not be as easy to bait as her dyspeptic primary opponents.

    Indeed, Biden appears to be expecting exactly that kind of approach from Palin, saying in Chicago last month: “She’s going to take a lot of straight lefts and jabs at me, she’s going to try to get me to respond, she’s going to try to get me to respond in a personal way.”

    Palin framed it differently in her interview with CBS.

    “He’s got a tremendous amount of experience and, you know, I’m the new energy, the new face, the new ideas and he’s got the experience based on many many years in the Senate and voters are gonna have a choice there of what it is that they want in these next four years,” she said.

    Palin certainly will be operating Thursday from a different strategic position than that to which she is accustomed.

    In her debates with Knowles and Halcro, Palin simply had to maintain a firm and authoritative public image. She didn’t have to prove anything since she had already met a threshold of competence to emerge as the frontrunner.

    But after her unimpressive round of recent television interviews, performances that raised serious questions about her grasp of the issues and competence to hold high office, Palin has a much higher bar to meet.

    She will have to work hard to show more familiarity with domestic policy, especially after displaying an apparent lack of fluency with economic issues. In her Alaska debates, Palin frequently retreated to noncommittal pronouncements and personal stories when confronted with difficult policy questions, but those tactics may not be as effective on the national stage.

    Either way, the Obama-Biden campaign is at least outwardly approaching the debate with a healthy dose of caution.

    “She’s spending a whole lot of time – hours and hours a day, apparently – preparing for this debate,” Plouffe said last weekend. “And we suspect that she’ll come in fighting form.”

  43. IFILL: Gov. Palin, who is the third deputy of Pakistani Ministry of Defense?

    IFILL: Sen. Biden, what color scheme will you choose for the Vice President’s office?

    IFILL: Audience, will Barack Obama be a great president, or the Greatest?

  44. rgb44hrc,

    LMAO! This debate is going to be must-see t.v. just to see what this Obama follower says and does.

  45. Paula Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
    carbynew, Nixon’s approval rating didn’t drop into the 20s till his second term, during Watergate.
    *****************************************************
    Oops, yeah I got confuse with Pres. Ford v.p year in 1973, then president in 1974 after Nixon resigned.

    What I meant was that Nixon approval was starting to go south and he still won and yes by 1973-1974 his numbers tanked.

    But what we have now is the Congress # are lower the Bush…Bush jr looks giddy compare with Nancy Pelosi’s “Do nothing Congress.”

  46. I was out at lunch and a stranger looking at my Hillary sign on my car started talking to me. He asked me if I was going to vote for McCain. I was at first reluctant to talk to him thinking he was an Obama supporter but he turned out to be a loyal Democrat who didn’t know much about Obama’s negatives as we all do. I told him what I knew and the conversation ended with him saying “you now have me ambivalent [about voting for O].. I guess I should read up on it.” But we live in MD and it is not going to make a difference. I told him to consider this as a “placeholder” election so that we can pick a better candidate in 4 years (which will not happen if Obama wins.) He also said interestingly enough that he was stopped couple of time by black cops and he thinks it is because he had stickers on gay rights and Hillary on his car.

  47. Second Order of ‘Crap Sandwiches’?
    October 01, 2008 11:52 AM

    Meeting privately with his fellow House Republicans Sunday night, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, infamously described the economic rescue package as a “crap sandwich” that he was nonetheless serving to his members, and asking them to vote for.

    Largely, they refrained. The bill failed in the house, 205-228, with 66% of the House GOP caucus voting against it.

    The Senate announced last night that it is tonight voting on an version of that bill that Senate leaders — in consultation with Boehner’s office — amended with the hopes of winning more House Republicans when the House takes up the bill again tomorrow or Friday. They are trying to jump start the process, to pressure the House to act.

    But some fear that all the Senate is doing is ordering up a different kind of “crap sandwich” — one that will be found distasteful by even more Democrats, winning over few Republicans.

    Significantly, neither House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, nor House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo. — in charge of vote-counting — signed off on this bill.

    While the Senate will pass its version of the rescue bill with more than 70 votes, according to Senate sources, Senators have taken the partisan bickering over the rescue bill and added a stalled disagreement over a separate issue — “tax extenders,” or extending various tax relief provisions that are due to expire — into the mix.

    Many House Republicans like the addition of tax extenders. So it’s possible that some of the 133 Republicans who voted against the bill will join the 65 who voted for it.

    But some conservative Democrats have expressed serious concerns about the fact that extending these tax cuts is not being paid for in the budget. Adding the provision may attract House Republicans, but it could alienate these fiscally-conscious Democrats, causing them to abandon the 140 House Democrats who voted for the bill to join the 95 who voted against it.

    Will this Senate move be like throwing a bucket of water or a bucket of kerosene onto the smoldering embers of the rescue bill?

    The Senate version of the rescue, with its tax bill attached, is certainly geared more at gaining Republican votes than Democratic ones. In fact, look for some fiscally conservative Democrats to jump ship.

    Witness the paper statement House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., issued last night about the Senate vote, released last night.

    She did not send an “attaboy Harry” over to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

    Instead, she offered the tepid, “The Congress will work its will.”

    **

    To the extent that there is a third party in the Congress, it’s the Blue Dogs, 47 conservative and moderate Democrats that insist on fiscal responsibility. Usually the Blue Dogs are united on spending measures and they carry a great weight in the House, where Democrats can’t pass anything without their say-so.

    Blue Dogs were split on the rescue bill — 26 for and 21 against.

    Blue Dogs were united, however, against the tax extenders bill that Senators are going to lash onto the rescue bill. And it wasn’t just the Blue Dogs. 218 Democrats declared in a letter to Reid in June they would not support a tax extenders bill that violates “pay as you go” rules. Republicans in the Senate took the opposite view and blocked all tax bills passed by House Democrats. There had been no resolution this year.

    It’s unclear how many Blue Dogs (if any) will be ticked off enough about the tax bill to jump ship on the rescue bill it will soon be attached to. They’ll have to go back on their word to support the Senate version of the rescue.

    Blue Dogs want all tax cuts to be “paid for” with spending cuts or tax increases elsewhere. And the version of the tax extenders bill (which extends tax credits for renewable energy research and production) passed by the House claimed to do just that.

    Senators passed a bill more palatable to Republicans, which was not “paid for,” but just extended the popular tax credits. Senators also threw in a short-term patch for the dreaded AMT, which applies archaic tax laws written to make rich people a generation ago pay their taxes, but today ensnares middle class Americans trying to write off their mortgages. The senate didn’t pay for this tax cut either, although its unclear Blue Dogs would have fallen on their swords over an un-paid for middle class tax relief bill.

    The tax bill, in fact, had been written off and it appeared that Democrats would wait for next year to resolve things.

    The Senate should clear its version of the rescue package easily tonight. They’ll add in the provision to raise the FDIC insurance limit to 250,000 per person per bank and also tack on the popular tax extender legislation (to extend tax credits for renewable energy research and other matters they passed earlier)

    Then it goes over to a very uncertain future on the other side of the building.

    **

    House Democrats are saying things along the lines of, “Well, I assume Leader Boehner knows he can deliver 30 votes for the Senate version, given that he signed of on this.”

    The implication: not only will Boehner need to provide the entire 13-vote margin that the bill lost by on Monday, but also that the addition of the unpaid-for “tax extenders” could cause up to 17 Democrats who voted for the bill Monday to walk. If not more.

    Some in Democratic leadership hope that the Senate addition of another tax relief provision — what’s called an AMT patch — could help keep those Blue Dogs on board, and that maybe some of the more liberal members will change their votes for the bill to support the tax extensions for renewable energy sources.

    And, as previously discussed, they are also contemplating adding an extension of unemployment insurance to the bill.

    Job numbers come out Friday morning (it seems likelier now that the vote will be Friday rather than Thursday) so that could help them pass it as well — Democrats hope — since those numbers are expected to be typically bad.

    So bottom line: this thing could actually lose worse than it did Monday.

    — Jake Tapper and Z. Byron Wolf

    abc

  48. just spoke t defazio’s office-they are urging u to call your sneator in opposition to a bill laden with tax cuts we dont need and cant pay for and to pass a real bill. she said the house members are debating the kaptur/defazio proposals but the leadership may have the votes. seiu is pushing members to vote no until homeowners get holc, forclosure freeze etc like hilary proposed. too bad seiu backed obama. call your sen immediately
    877-851-6437

  49. # rgb44hrc Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Any update on the Philip Berg suit, and the Obama campaign move to dismiss?

    And what is that web site that has oodles of detail on Berg and the suit?
    ———————————————————————————
    obamacrimes.com is Berg’s site

  50. Obama simply cannot be trusted in anything he says . He’s objective of ascending to the presidency of the USA is to weaken the nation and control the world.

    Just remember he’s words:

    “Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.

    “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”

    “People of Berlin – people of the world – this is our moment. This is our time.”

  51. Watch the video JM at DesMoines Register

    hotair.com/archives/2008/10/01/video-mccain-gets-testy-over-medias-criticism-of-palin/

  52. Speaking of visionaries:

    “Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

  53. texan4hillary Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    just spoke t defazio’s office-they are urging u to call your sneator in opposition to a bill laden with tax cuts we dont need and cant pay for and to pass a real bill. she said the house members are debating the kaptur/defazio proposals but the leadership may have the votes. seiu is pushing members to vote no until homeowners get holc, forclosure freeze etc like hilary proposed. too bad seiu backed obama.
    —————-

    I am not going to listen to defazio….I like kaptur but I listened to hillary this morning and I think she is doing this in steps…the right steps….

    defazio appeared with the few black causus yesterday on TV…he did not have marcy with him then….

    As for seiu….this is the worst union; their bosses are corrupt…I would rather listen to fireman’s union, steel workers, miners etc but not seiu….

  54. either way I think this is lost for mccain…I hope I am wrong but things look tough…..

    And buffet was in the tank for Obama….

    And now Soros getting behind defazio/deal, things are bad…….

    At the moment I do not like Buffet but I absoultely despise Soros…

    So I will take the buffet plan over the Soros plan!!!!

  55. ADMIN!!!!
    Great to see you back 😀 😀 😀

    Everyone,
    We all know this but here is a good article with an insight into the media fix for BO.

    NQ

    I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read an article by Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds about an e-mail he received from a reader who works in a “major newsroom.”

    “Off the record,” that reader told Reynolds, “every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true.” The reader described the situation in his newsroom in stark detail:

    We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and it’s working.

    Reynolds reports that he asked for permission to reprint the e-mail “without attribution,” which “was granted.”

    Since Reynolds’ initial story, the account has been verified by other sources. Reynolds notes that “the Anchoress hears similar things.” Adds Reynolds reader Eric Schubert:

    The Edwards debacle was proof enough of where the heart of the MSM lies, and lack of curiousity of the press about Edwards probably cost Hillary the nomination. And that shameful episode offers a warning to the MSM. What if Obama does have a skeleton in his closet (such as a shady deal or outright bribe) that is revealed after he wins the election? While the chance of this scenario is remote, imagine the backlash against the MSM if it could be shown that a reasonable investigation by the MSM would have easily revealed this secret to the public prior to the election?

    The Anchoress had this to say about the MSM:

    I have a couple friends who work in the MSM, too, and one of them tells me the newsroom is (exact words) “unbelievably cavalier” about any complaints viewers register about their reports, what they ignore, their bias or the way they edit Republicans vs. the way the treat Dems. “Cavalier” as in the fix is in and they don’t even have to pretend to care what half the country thinks or wants.

  56. mccain has turned me off. he should run like in 2000 for public finance etc. mccain may dump a material next week but this should have happened 2 mos ago to define obama.

  57. Palin takes on Obama tax plans in new McCain adPhoenix Business Journal – by Mike Sunnucks

    Alaska. Gov. Sarah Palin is the “front-man” in the new ad from Republican presidential candidate John McCain that goes after Democratic foe Barack Obama on tax increases.

    The new ad features Palin talking about Obama’s plans to increase income, investment and payroll taxes and their potential economic impact

    “How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy?” asks Palin in the McCain ad.

    Obama has countered those tax criticisms by saying his income tax plans would only raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year and he would offer tax rebates and relief to the middle class.

    Obama does want to increase capital gains taxes on the wealthy and let currently reduced federal estate taxes go back to previous levels. He’s also floated possible higher payroll taxes, in particular on the wealthy, to fund Social Security. The Illinois senator has said some tax changes could be put off because of the Wall Street and economic troubles.

    Obama’s income tax hike on the wealthy would go to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. That is low compare to historical top income tax rates. McCain wants to keep Bush tax cuts, including the 35 percent top rate, and trim corporate income taxes from 35 percent to 25 percent.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/09/29/daily44.html

  58. basil, the MSM has decided that they and they alone have the power and wisdom to pick presidents, and they are drunk with it.

    THEY gave us Bush and his war, and now THEY want to give us Obama. I for one think the American people are skeptical of them now, and that may be the only thing that saves us. I’ve talked to people who are not politically aware, who say flat out that they just plan to vote for whomever the media hates – they figure that’s the safest course.

  59. I believe all this crisis is a conspiracy theory: This is based on my observation of all events happening since 2006.

    ——

    This “wall street crisis” was planned by somebody to occur 5-6 weeks before the presidential election….

    Along the way, insiders in each dem candidate’s were moles studying this crisis issue in detail….

    Remember Edwards investment in hedge funds and working for them to learn about the markets.

    Obama’s confidence all the way along

    Hillary warning about the mortgage crisis at the base level but like most people did not know the full implication on the “wall street crisis”

    Lack of oversight since dems took over on fannie/freddie and banking via Dodd and franks….

    Call me cynical…but that is what I am today…

  60. H4T,
    I like that idea; people voting against whoever the media is for. LOL.

    Another tidbit from a journalist about those in BM. Interesting perspective. (NQ)
    ‘Even Fox, their reporters all went to the same prep schools, the same colleges as all the other elites. The MSM is such a low-paying profession that only the children of the very wealthy can afford to pursue it, hence the ingrained progressive educations. Fundamentally this is a class issue. Ban affirmative action, ban unpaid internships and start funding a serious national news network – and maybe you will see some objective reporting.’

    Also, anyone who wants to complain about ifel:
    (NQ)
    email to jb@debates.org
    or call 202 872 1020

  61. Hillary today talk about bi-partisanship in the congress about more things to do on this BIG issue..over the next few yrs…especially

    ———————-

    the only way it will work is if they suspend campaigning in their states/districts over the next 5 weeks…

  62. Hello admin and all…

    hey, I have an idea…why don’t they recruit that women who recently did the book, in apparently a positive light, on Palin’s life and have her co-moderate the debate with pro-Obama Gwen Ifill…

    nay, that would render something fair…but we have reached the point of being beyond ridiculous…

    btw…i tried reaching that debate number all day to register a complaint…nothing but a busy tone all day…

    *********************

    pelosi…says one thing and does another…and hundreds of thousands of dollars go to her husband…nice!

  63. The last thing this country needs an ivy league president..especially not a lawyer nor one with an MBA…

    —–

  64. I hope this is not a duplicate but got it from a friend yesterday:

    ——————–

    Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign

    Monday, September 29, 2008 9:23 PM

    By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

    More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won’t disclose.
    And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate.
    Obama has raised nearly twice that of John McCain’s campaign, according to new campaign finance report.
    But because of Obama’s high expenses during the hotly contested Democratic primary season and an early decision to forgo public campaign money and the spending limits it imposes, all that cash has not translated into a financial advantage — at least, not yet.
    The Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee began September with $95 million in cash, according to reports filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
    The McCain camp and the Republican National Committee had $94 million, because of an influx of $84 million in public money.
    But Obama easily could outpace McCain by $50 million to $100 million or more in new donations before Election Day, thanks to a legion of small contributors whose names and addresses have been kept secret.
    Unlike the McCain campaign, which has made its complete donor database available online, the Obama campaign has not identified donors for nearly half the amount he has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP).
    Federal law does not require the campaigns to identify donors who give less than $200 during the election cycle. However, it does require that campaigns calculate running totals for each donor and report them once they go beyond the $200 mark.
    Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200 threshold.
    “Contributions that come under $200 aggregated per person are not listed,” said Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the FEC. “They don’t appear anywhere, so there’s no way of knowing who they are.”
    The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has identified.
    It is the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reforms of 2002.
    Biersack would not comment on whether the FEC was investigating the huge amount of cash that has come into Obama’s coffers with no public reporting.
    But Massie Ritsch, a spokesman for CRP, a campaign-finance watchdog group, dismissed the scale of the unreported money.
    “We feel comfortable that it isn’t the $20 donations that are corrupting a campaign,” he told Newsmax.
    But those small donations have added up to more than $200 million, all of it from unknown and unreported donors.
    Ritsch acknowledges that there is skepticism about all the unreported money, especially in the Obama campaign coffers.
    “We and seven other watchdog groups asked both campaigns for more information on small donors,” he said. “The Obama campaign never responded,” whereas the McCain campaign “makes all its donor information, including the small donors, available online.”
    The rise of the Internet as a campaign funding tool raises new questions about the adequacy of FEC requirements on disclosure. In pre-Internet fundraising, almost all political donations, even small ones, were made by bank check, leaving a paper trail and limiting the amount of fraud.
    But credit cards used to make donations on the Internet have allowed for far more abuse.
    “While FEC practice is to do a post-election review of all presidential campaigns, given their sluggish metabolism, results can take three or four years,” said Ken Boehm, the chairman of the conservative National Legal and Policy Center.
    Already, the FEC has noted unusual patterns in Obama campaign donations among donors who have been disclosed because they have gone beyond the $200 minimum.
    FEC and Mr. Doodad Pro
    When FEC auditors have questions about contributions, they send letters to the campaign’s finance committee requesting additional information, such as the complete address or employment status of the donor.
    Many of the FEC letters that Newsmax reviewed instructed the Obama campaign to “redesignate” contributions in excess of the finance limits.
    Under campaign finance laws, an individual can donate $2,300 to a candidate for federal office in both the primary and general election, for a total of $4,600. If a donor has topped the limit in the primary, the campaign can “redesignate” the contribution to the general election on its books.
    In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.
    Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”
    A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.
    In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.
    Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.
    There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these contributions, since Obama’s Sept. 20 report specified that Good Will’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $9,375.
    In an e-mailed response to a query from Newsmax, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt pledged that the campaign would return the donations. But given the slowness with which the campaign has responded to earlier FEC queries, there’s no guarantee that the money will be returned before the Nov. 4 election.
    Similarly, a donor identified as “Pro, Doodad,” from “Nando, NY,” gave $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You,” just as Good Will had done.
    But in some of them, he didn’t even go this far, apparently picking letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation form. In these cases, he said he was employed by “VCX” and that his profession was “VCVC.”
    Following FEC requests, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro in February 2008. In all, about $8,425 was charged back to a credit card. But that still left a net total of $11,165 as of Sept. 20, way over the individual limit of $4,600.
    Here again, LaBolt pledged that the contributions would be returned but gave no date.
    In February, after just 93 donations, Doodad Pro had already gone over the $2,300 limit for the primary. He was over the $4,600 limit for the general election one month later.
    In response to FEC complaints, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro even before he reached these limits. But his credit card was the gift that kept on giving. His most recent un-refunded contributions were on July 7, when he made 14 separate donations, apparently by credit card, of $25 each.
    Just as with Mr. Good Will, there can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed the contributions, since its Sept. 20 report specified that Doodad’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $10,965.
    Foreign Donations
    And then there are the overseas donations — at least, the ones that we know about.
    The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33..8 million. More than 520 listed their “state” as “IR,” often an abbreviation for Iran. Another 63 listed it as “UK,” the United Kingdom.
    More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total contributions came to just $201,680.
    But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa, Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.
    Until recently, the Obama Web site allowed a contributor to select the country where he resided from the entire membership of the United Nations, including such friendly places as North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
    Unlike McCain’s or Sen. Hillary Clinton’s online donation pages, the Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently. Clinton’s presidential campaign required U.S. citizens living abroad to actually fax a copy of their passport before a donation would be accepted.
    With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.
    In July and August, the head of the Nigeria’s stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria’s largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian business owners.
    At one event, a table for eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000.
    The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud commission is now investigating the matter.
    Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal accounts of illegal activities.
    In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
    “All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” the Libyan leader said. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”
    Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations were “legitimate,” the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign.
    The rise of the Internet and use of credit cards have made it easier for foreign nationals to donate to American campaigns, especially if they claim their donation is less than $200.
    Campaign spokesman LaBolt cited several measures that the campaign has adopted to “root out fraud,” including a requirement that anyone attending an Obama fundraising event overseas present a valid U.S. passport, and a new requirement that overseas contributors must provide a passport number when donating online.
    One new measure that might not appear obvious at first could be frustrating to foreigners wanting to buy campaign paraphernalia such as T-shirts or bumper stickers through the online store.
    In response to an investigation conducted by blogger Pamela Geller, who runs the blog Atlas Shrugs, the Obama campaign has locked down the store.
    Geller first revealed on July 31 that donors from the Gaza strip had contributed $33,000 to the Obama campaign through bulk purchases of T-shirts they had shipped to Gaza.
    The online campaign store allows buyers to complete their purchases by making an additional donation to the Obama campaign.
    A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007, FEC records show.
    Their largesse attracted the attention of the FEC almost immediately. In an April 15, 2008, report that examined the Obama campaign’s year-end figures for 2007, the FEC asked that some of these contributions be reassigned.
    The Obama camp complied sluggishly, prompting a more detailed admonishment form the FEC on July 30.
    The Edwan brothers listed their address as “GA,” as in Georgia, although they entered “Gaza” or “Rafah Refugee camp” as their city of residence on most of the online contribution forms.
    According to the Obama campaign, they wrongly identified themselves as U.S. citizens, via a voluntary check-off box at the time the donations were made.
    Many of the Edwan brothers’ contributions have been purged from the FEC database, but they still can be found in archived versions available for CRP and other watchdog groups.
    The latest Obama campaign filing shows that $891.11 still has not been refunded to the Edwan brothers, despite repeated FEC warnings and campaign claims that all the money was refunded in December.
    A Newsmax review of the Obama campaign finance filings found that the FEC had asked for the redesignation or refund of 53,828 donations, totaling just under $30 million.
    But none involves the donors who never appear in the Obama campaign reports, which the CRP estimates at nearly half the $426.8 million the Obama campaign has raised to date.
    Many of the small donors participated in online “matching” programs, which allows them to hook up with other Obama supporters and eventually share e-mail addresses and blogs.
    The Obama Web site described the matching contribution program as similar to a public radio fundraising drive.
    “Our goal is to bring 50,000 new donors into our movement by Friday at midnight,” campaign manager David Plouffe e-mailed supporters on Sept. 15. “And if you make your first online donation today, your gift will go twice as far. A previous donor has promised to match every dollar you donate.”
    FEC spokesman Biersack said he was unfamiliar with the matching donation drive. But he said that if donations from another donor were going to be reassigned to a new donor, as the campaign suggested, “the two people must agree” to do so.
    This type of matching drive probably would be legal as long as the matching donor had not exceeded the $2,300 per-election limit, he said.
    Obama campaign spokesman LaBolt said, “We have more than 2.5 million donors overall, hundreds of thousands of which have participated in this program.”
    Until now, the names of those donors and where they live have remained anonymous — and the federal watchdog agency in charge of ensuring that the presidential campaigns play by the same rules has no tools to find out.

  65. mp
    long posts are not viable to the many who follow with phones
    why not post the link and if you feel the need post the rest of the article but let those that are reading know it is a long long post. I ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME,

  66. JanH
    a link is more than sufficient. the entire articles do not need to be presented, In fact a former kool aid drinker told me that one of the most effective tools they had was to post a pro-hillary/mccain article after reading an effective post. the post which was valid gets lost because everyone after the long post is agreeing.

    Admin

    I beseech you to implore your posters to give a summary of a post and include a link as we are being played,

  67. bill details on tax breaks
    So what is in this bill? Let’s take a look:

    Title I: Energy Tax Incentives – Subtitle A: Energy Production Incentives – Part I: Renewable Energy Incentives – (Sec. 101) Extends: (1) through 2009 the tax credit for producing electricity from qualified wind facilities; and (2) through 2011 the tax credits for producing electricity from closed and open-loop biomass, geothermal or solar energy, small irrigation power, municipal solid waste, trash combustion, and qualified hydropower. Imposes a limit on such tax credit based upon investment in renewable resource facilities placed in service after 2009 in lieu of the current phaseout provisions for such credit. Expands the definitions of and rules for “open-loop biomass facility,” “qualified trash combustion facility,” and “nonhydroelectric dam” for purposes of such credit.

    (Sec. 102) Includes marine and hydrokinetic renewable energy as a renewable resource for purposes of the tax credit for producing electricity from renewable resources.

    (Sec. 103) Extends through 2014 the energy tax credit for solar energy, fuel cell, and microturbine property. Allows a new energy tax credit for combined heat and power system property. Increases to $1,500 the credit limitation for fuel cell property. Modifies energy tax credit rules to allow: (1) offsets of tax credit amounts against alternative minimum tax (AMT) liabilities; and (2) public utility property to qualify for such credit.

    (Sec. 104) Extends through 2014 the tax credit for residential energy efficient property. Increases to $4,000 the maximum dollar amount of such credit for solar electric property. Allows a credit for 30% of expenditures for wind turbines used to generate electricity in a residence and for geothermal heat pumps.

    (Sec. 105) Extends deferral rules for gain from sales or dispositions by qualified electric utilities made prior to January 1, 2010.

    (Sec. 106) Allows a new tax credit for investment in qualified new clean renewable energy bonds.
    Incentives to invest in alternative energy? Doesn’t sound too bad to me.

    Part II: Carbon Mitigation Provisions – (Sec. 111) Increases to 30% the investment tax credit rate for power generation projects using integrated gasification combined cycle and other advanced coal-based generation technology projects. Increases the maximum credit amounts allocable for such projects to $2.55 billion.

    (Sec. 112) Increases to 30% the investment tax credit rate for coal gasification projects. Increases by $250 million the aggregate credit amounts for coal gasification projects.

    (Sec. 113) Extends the excise tax on coal until the earlier of January 1, 2019, or the day after the first December 31st after December 31, 2007, on which there is no balance of repayable advances made to the Black Lung Disability Trust Fund and no unpaid interest on such advances.

    (Sec. 114) Sets forth a special rule for refund claims of coal excise tax by certain coal producers and exporters.

    (Sec. 115) Directs the Secretary of the Treasury to contract with the National Academy of Sciences for a comprehensive review of Internal Revenue Code provisions that have the largest effects on carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions. Requires the Academy to report to Congress on the results of such study not later than two years after the enactment of this Act. Authorizes appropriations.
    OK, I’m not exactly sure what all this is doing, but it sounds like stuff dealing with “clean coal” or whatever.

    Subtitle B: Transportation and Domestic Fuel Security Provisions – (Sec. 121) Includes cellulosic biofuel within the definition of biomass ethanol plant property for purposes of bonus depreciation.

    (Sec. 122) Extends through 2009 income and excise tax credits for biodiesel and renewable diesel used as fuel. Increases the rates of such credits.

    (Sec. 123) Disqualifies foreign-produced fuel that is used or sold for use outside the United States for the income and excise tax credits for alcohol, biodiesel, renewable diesel, and alternative fuel production.

    (Sec. 124) Allows a new tax credit for the production of qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicles. Defines a “qualified plug-in electric drive vehicle” as a motor vehicle weighing less than 14,000 pounds that meets certain emission standards under the Clean Air Act and that is propelled to a significant extent by an electric motor that draws electricity from a rechargeable battery.

    (Sec. 125) Allows an exclusion from the heavy truck excise tax for idling reduction devices and advanced insulation used in certain heavy trucks and trailers.

    (Sec. 126) Revises tax incentives for investment in the New York Liberty Zone to repeal certain additional depreciation allowances and to allow a tax credit against payroll liabilities of New York Liberty Zone governmental units (i.e., New York State, the City of New York, or any agencies or instrumentalities thereof) for expenditures involving transportation infrastructure projects in or connecting with such Zone.

    (Sec. 127) Allows employees to exclude reimbursements for bicycle commuting expenses from gross income.

    (Sec. 128) Extends through 2010 the tax credit for installing nonhydrogen alternative fuel refueling property. Increases the rate of the tax credit for alternative fuel refueling property expenditures from 30 to 50% and raises the dollar limit for commercial properties to $50,000.
    Tax credits for electric vehicles? Promotion of cellulosic biofuel? Doesn’t sound bad to me.

    Subtitle C: Energy Conservation and Efficiency Provisions – (Sec. 141) Authorizes the issuance of qualified energy conservation bonds to finance local government conservation and greenhouse gas reduction projects. Imposes a national limitation of $3 billion on the issuance of such bonds.

    (Sec. 142) Extends the tax credit for nonbusiness energy property expenditures through 2008. Includes energy-efficient biomass fuel stoves as property eligible for such tax credit.

    (Sec. 143) Extends the tax deduction for energy efficient commercial buildings through 2013.

    (Sec. 144) Revises the amounts allowable under the tax credit for energy efficient appliances produced after 2007 (i.e., dish washers, clothes washers, and refrigerators) and extends such credit through 2010.

    (Sec. 145) Allows an accelerated 10-year recovery period for the depreciation of qualified smart electric meters and smart electric grid systems.

    (Sec. 146) Extends through FY2012 the authority to issue tax-exempt bonds for qualified green building and sustainable design projects.
    Energy conservation and efficiency is usually a good thing.

    Title II: One-Year Extension of Temporary Provisions – Subtitle A: Extensions Primarily Affecting Individuals – (Sec. 201) Extends through 2008: (1) the election to deduct state and local sales taxes in lieu of state and local income taxes; (2) the tax deductions for qualified tuition and related expenses and for certain expenses of elementary and secondary school teachers; (3) the exemption from withholding for interest-related and short-term capital gain dividends received from a regulated investment company; (4) tax-free distributions from individual retirement plans (IRAs) for individuals called or ordered to active military duty and for charitable purposes; (5) the election to include combat pay as earned income for purposes of the earned income tax credit; (6) authority for use of qualified mortgage bonds to finance residences for veterans; (7) special rules and definitions relating to regulated investment companies; and (8) the tax exclusion for amounts received under qualified group legal services plans.

    Subtitle B: Extensions Primarily Affecting Businesses – (Sec. 221) Extends through 2008 the tax credit for increasing research activities. Sets forth a special rule for the computation of such tax credit for taxable years in which it terminates.

    Extends through 2008 other business-related tax provisions, including: (1) the tax credits for Indian employment and railroad track maintenance; (2) accelerated depreciation for qualified leasehold and restaurant improvements, for motorsports racing track facilities, and for business property on Indian reservations; (3) the expensing allowance for environmental remediation costs; (4) the tax deduction for income attributable to domestic production activities in Puerto Rico; (5) the special rule for the tax treatment of certain payments to tax-exempt organizations by a controlled subsidiary; (6) the authority for issuance of qualified zone academy bonds; (7) tax incentives for investment in the District of Columbia, including tax-exempt economic development bonds and a first-time homebuyer tax credit; (8) the economic development credit for American Samoa; (9) the special rules for charitable contributions of food and book inventories; (10) the increased tax deduction for corporate contributions of computer equipment and technology for educational purposes; (11) the special rule relating to reductions in the basis of S corporation stock for charitable contributions of property; and (12) work opportunity tax credit eligibility for Hurricane Katrina employees (through August 28, 2008).

    Extends through 2009: (1) the new markets tax credit; (2) the Subpart F income exemption for active financing income; and (3) expensing of qualified film and television production costs.

    Subtitle C: Other Extensions – (Sec. 251) Makes permanent the authority for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to disclose tax return information related to terrorist activities.

    (Sec. 252) Makes permanent the authority for the IRS to conduct undercover operations.

    (Sec. 253) Makes permanent the authority for disclosure of tax return information to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for veterans benefit determinations.

    (Sec. 254) Extends through 2008 the increased payment ($10.50 to $13.25 per proof gallon) of distilled spirits excise tax to the Treasuries of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

    (Sec. 255) Extends through 2008 parity requirements applicable to mental health benefits offered by group health plans.
    Extensions of tax credits and the like which seem to be pretty much non-offending.

    Title III: Additional Tax Relief – Subtitle A: Individual Tax Relief – (Sec. 301) Allows individual taxpayers an additional standard tax deduction in 2008 for state and local real property taxes. Limits the amount of such deduction to $350 ($700 for married individuals filing a joint tax return).

    (Sec. 302) Lowers in 2008 (from $10,000 to $8,500) the earned income threshold amount for determining the refundable portion of the child tax credit.

    (Sec. 303) Increases the alternative minimum tax (AMT) refundable credit amount for individuals who have long-term unused minimum tax credits from prior taxable years. Abates any underpayment of tax attributable to the application of special AMT rules for the treatment of incentive stock options.

    Subtitle B: Business Related Provisions – (Sec. 311) Allows attorneys a tax deduction in the current taxable year for reimbursable expenses and court costs which they pay or incur in connection with contingency fee cases.

    (Sec. 312) Modifies rules relating to the expensing of film and television production costs.

    Subtitle C: Modification of Penalty on Understatement of Taxpayer’s Liability by Tax Return Preparer – (Sec. 321) Modifies the standards for imposing penalties on tax return preparers for understatements of tax to require: (1) substantial authority for a position with respect to an item on a tax return if such position was not disclosed with the return; and (2) a reasonable basis for a position that was disclosed with the return.

    Requires tax return preparers to have a reasonable belief that a position with respect to a tax shelter or a reportable transaction (a transaction having a potential for tax avoidance or evasion) will more likely than not be sustained on its merits.

    Subtitle D: Extension and Expansion of Certain GO Zone Incentives – (Sec. 331) Allows taxpayers who claimed a casualty loss deduction for damage to a personal residence caused by Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, or Wilma and who subsequently received a grant as compensation for such damage to file an amended tax return to disallow the casualty loss deduction without payment of any tax penalty. Waives deadlines for starting construction for property in the Gulf Opportunity (GO) Zone eligible for bonus depreciation. Includes Colbert and Dallas Counties in Alabama within the GO Zone for purposes of tax-exempt bond financing.
    Makes the child tax credit more available, alters the AMT, and a couple other things. Again, still not seeing much which would make the original bill “much, much worse” yet.

    Title IV: Revenue Provisions – (Sec. 401) Requires the inclusion in gross income for income tax purposes of employee compensation deferred under a nonqualified deferred compensation plan of a nonqualified entity when there is no substantial risk of forfeiture of the rights to such compensation. Defines “nonqualified entity” as any foreign corporation unless substantially all of its income is: (1) effectively connected with a trade or business in the United States; or (2) subject to a comprehensive foreign income tax. Includes certain partnerships within such definition.

    (Sec. 402) Delays until 2019 the application of special rules for the worldwide allocation of interest for purposes of computing the limitation on the foreign tax credit.

    (Sec. 403) Amends the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 to: (1) repeal the adjustment to the estimated tax liability of corporations with at least $1 billion in assets for the third quarter of 2012; and (2) increase the estimated tax payments of such corporations in the third quarter of 2013 by 37.75%.

  68. texan4hillary Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    bill details on tax breaks
    So what is in this bill? Let’s take a look:
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    I am running to a meeting but have they killed the 401 k benefit. Are they including contributions in gross income. The whole idea of the 401 k was to promote savings for retirement.

  69. Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign

    Monday, September 29, 2008 9:23 PM

    By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

    More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won’t disclose
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    as we have been saying for months. undisclosed foreign interests are buying our presidency. This is as blatant an invasion of our sovereignty as there is, it is illegal, Obama is the Manchurian candidate.

  70. Now we know

    patriotroom.com/?p=2686

    Bombshell: Obama Neck Deep in Breaking Campaign Finance Scandal

    This is a bona fide bombshell. Obama loves to say that 90% (or whatever the phony made-up figure is) of his donors contributed less than $200? Sounds good, right? Real, honest to goodness grass-roots support there. The little people, the poor people, really want this guy to be their president. Well it turns out that 35 or 40 of those “people” turn out to be one person contributing nearly $9,000 to Obama; a clear violation of campaign finance laws restricting donations to a maximum of $4600 per election cycle. And the kicker? The guy is named Good Will. Mr. Will is from Texas.

    And we are just getting warmed up.

    From Newsmax.

    In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.

    Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”

    A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.

    In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.

    Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.

    There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these contributions, since Obama’s Sept. 20 report specified that Good Will’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $9,375.

  71. http://www.essence.com/news_entertainment/news/articles/theobamasportraitofanamericanfamily

    article in essence written by gwen ifill titled: The Obamas: Portrait of an American family…

    …did not bother to read…could not get beyond…Ifill begins:

    Barack Obama is sitting in the back of his rented luxury campaign bus with its granite counters and two flat-screen TVs. The Illinois senator’s arms are wrapped around his wife, Michelle, whom he doesn’t get to see much these days. At this very moment he is, of all things, singing.

    *****************************************

    I cannot believe how far our MSM and objectivity have fallen…the phones are full at the debate phone line…

    integrity, objectivity…gone…insert -conflict of interest, finanicial gain, and a rigged election…more Linda Douglasses to follow…

    the best you can try is email jb@debates.org

    UNBELIEVABLE…you can’t make this stuff up…

  72. noriega surging here in tx. maybe he has a prayer to take out box turtle cornyn

    Rasmussen. 9/29. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (8/21 results)

    Cornyn (R) 50 (48)
    Noriega (D) 43 (37)

  73. Susa pulls another swizz with the new Ohio poll, showing McCain 1 ahead 49 to 48.

    Well In Columbus and Cininati where McCain leads strong, they interviewed samples of 16% and 19%, but in Cleveland where Obama is strong, they interviewed 39% for the survey.

    total Swizz, McCain is way up in Ohio.

  74. I don’t believe these polls are as tight as they make, just no way, can’t see it, sorry, there’s serious fudging going on here.

  75. Henry,

    I’m not getting into an argument with you about mp’s post. Yes it was long. I don’t have a problem reading it but you obviously do.

    If a link is better, then fine.

  76. JanH
    I do not want an argument. I was simply relaying what I was told about bots. They place long pro hillary or now pro-mccain posts in order to break up the vibe. I may be wrong but all I said was if you have a long piece post a link.

  77. From Hill’s speech today on the senate floor:

    I also believe we need to consider a real tax credit for homebuyers to jump start the housing market. This has been an effective tool in the past and it can be an effective tool again. We have too much supply and too little demand, and getting the liquidity that will be injected into the credit markets to work its way through the entire economy will take time. I think we need not only a supply of liquidity but an increase in demand, particularly in the housing market.

    Second, we must be vigilant on behalf of taxpayers, putting in place safeguards so the Treasury is maximizing the value of the assets purchased with taxpayer dollars. We need to have the flexibility to ensure we’re not just subsidizing investors and executives, but we should tie this debt relief to strong recapitalization requirements and greater accountability.
    I also want to be sure that companies do not take undue advantage of this program and sell securities to the Treasury with one stroke of the pen and claim a deduction for the losses on those assets with the other—in essence, double dipping, dumping their bad assets on taxpayers, and getting a tax break as well.

    I’m proposing we build on a very creative provision in the bill before us, and establish an e-TRUST Program. That would stand for Transparent Rules Used to Safeguard Taxpayers. In the bill, there’s a provision that transactions be put on the Internet. I want to ensure that the assets brought—bought and sold by the Treasury Department are reported online in real time, so any American can log on and see how their tax dollars are being spent. All assets bought and sold must be available on a publicly accessible website that discloses the buyers, sellers and values of these assets. The American people are buying these securities, and so the American people must have easy access to their portfolio.

    WHY is this woman not our nominee and on her way to a great victory in November??????
    She gets it. And she knows how to fix it.

    Full speech here: clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303947&&

  78. Well, I have been guilty of posting long posts, but I’m not a bot. Nice to know, that it is a technique that they use. I will keep my radar up. I will post more links.

  79. Neetabug, What I saw on Fox going on in Ohio: Secretary of State has approved registering and voting by absentee ballots on the same day (which means no verification of the info prior to voting) and Republicans took it to court and the court sided with the Secretary but asked her to keep those Absentee ballots separate and verify them before counting. This has been going on for the last two days with Obama ferrying people to polling places in cars, buses. They can only register and vote like this until like Oct 6th, because they can only register before a month to the election date. Is early voting by absentee ballots? I don’t know, I am confused. Just so you don’t think I am ignorant, I did not grow up here and did not take civics class here and barely know the rules. 🙂

  80. # birdgal Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Well, I have been guilty of posting long posts, but I’m not a bot. Nice to know, that it is a technique that they use. I will keep my radar up. I will post more links.
    *************
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    IIRC, another reason to post (snips) and links is that it protects the blog owner from copyright infringement lawsuits. Excerpts are protected by “fair use”.

  81. Who’d believe him, honestly. I mean WTF. This contradicts, Obama’s whole tax cut shit, so cut taxes on anyone making blah blah and hike them on social security instead.

    Obama Floats Social Security Tax Hike

    abcnews.go.com/politics/Story?id=3638710&page=1

    Obama’s idea, which he described on the op-ed page of Friday’s Quad City Times as being “one possible option” and not a formal plan, would raise more than $1 trillion over 10 years by subjecting income of more than $97,000 to a 12.4 percent tax. Half of the tax would be paid by employees and half would be paid by employers.

    Obama is floating the idea of a tax hike on the rich as a way of assuring lower- and middle-income voters that he sees an option for ensuring Social Security’s solvency that would not burden them. Obama has been indirectly criticized by Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for suggesting on ABC News’ “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” that a higher retirement age should be “on the table.”

  82. SHV:IIRC, another reason to post (snips) and links is that it protects the blog owner from copyright infringement lawsuits. Excerpts are protected by “fair use”.
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    I also found out about this regulation fairly recently. Good to know.

  83. hoyer is pissed at the sen for adding 150 bil in tax cuts and it may cause the bill to fail in the house.

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) also warned on Wednesday morning that adding tax extenders might cause Democratic votes to drop of.

    Speaking on The Today Show on NBC, Hoyer said he was “not particularly pleased” that the Senate has decided to add a set of tax breaks to the bailout package.

    “There’s no doubt the tax package is very controversial,” Hoyer said.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14161_Page2.html

  84. VOTER FRAUD OCCURRING NOW IN OHIO.

    Watch this video. Watch as a poll observer gets told she CANNOT observe. It seems the Sec of State Brunner and the judge who ruled to allow the same day voting also forbade observers :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weyrE9jLGn0&e

    Here ya go, folks. The Chicago Machine gone national.

  85. PM17

    I will check for you about registering and using an absentee ballot on the same day. Why would you register to vote and use an absentee ballot on the same day. This does not make any sense. You have to apply for an absentee ballot, after you apply they check your information. Then, you are sent an absentee ballot. I sent for my absentee ballot three weeks ago, i just got it in the mail today. This is for a special election on Oct 14th for the person replacing Stephanie Stubbs Jones. I have yet to receive the one for the general election.

  86. Neetabug: How can they have one day voting and prevent poll watchers? This is occurring in Ohio. The sec of state brunner and a judge, are prohibiting poll observers.

  87. Barack Obama Voted Against Extending Health Care to Pregnant Women

    Barack Obama claims he is the best candidate when it comes to improving health care for Americans and he touted better health care during the first presidential debate. However, his record is blemished with a vote against extending a health care program to cover pregnant women and their unborn children.

    The State Children’s Health Insurance (SCHIP) is a federal program that provides funds to states to provide health care services to children of low-income families.

    Under a Bush administration proposal, states have the option of extending that coverage to unborn children — which automatically qualifies pregnant women for coverage as well during their pregnancy.

    snip………………..
    While senators from across the political spectrum — including Democratic Sens. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania and Ben Nelson of Nebraska– voted for it, Obama opposed the measure.

    The vote provided another clear contrast between Obama and Sen. John McCain, who supported pregnant women and their unborn children by backing the amendment.

    Senator Joe Biden, Obama’s running mate, also voted against the health care coverage.

    Allard said the coverage would have led to reduced costs associated with premature or low birth-weight babies.

  88. I have my book for working in the polls OBSERVERS

    Here is what the book says about observers here in the state of Ohio Cuyahoga County

    If an observer has ee appointed and approved for your precinct, you will receive an Observer Packet on Monday night or election morning that includes the following instructions:

    1 The observer must present you with the original or copy of his/her Certificate of Appointment and identification upon entrance into you polling location

    2 Note the time the observer arrives on you Pink Memo Sheet

    3 The Presiding Judge of the assigned Precinct must give the following oath to the observer

    You do solemnly swear that you will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties as an official observer, asigned by law, that you will not disclose or communicate to any person how any elector has voted at such election

    4 You must provide the observer with the telephone number to the board of elections, for all questions pertaining to the Election Day process that you cannot answer or do not have time to answer.

    5 The appointed observer must sign in on the Observer Sign-In Sheet must be packed in the Large Envelope.

    Any Observer who violates the policies outlined above and/or in the Secretary of State Directive 2008-29 must be warned once. Any subsequent violations may result in removal from the polling location. Any issues with Observers on Election Day must be reported to the Board of Elections immediately

    Observers will also receive a packet with the above information from the Board of Elections prior to Election Day.

  89. neeta, Sec Brunner changed it. Ohio is allowing people to register and get an absentee ballot same day, with no verification in between. She claims that even though the law requires 30 days between registering and voting, these people are not “voting”, they are merely “casting an absentee ballot”.

    Obama has busses running, literally picking people up off the streets, having them use the homeless shelters as address, and bussing them in to vote after they fill out their form.

  90. support a fair deal NOW NOT A YR FROM NOW. the baiout aint enough. get the message to congress that you want bankruptcy reforms needed, economic aid to the rising unemployed etc…
    http:/ /capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?alertid=11985901&PROCESS=Take+Action

  91. birdgal Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
    Neetabug: How can they have one day voting and prevent poll watchers? This is occurring in Ohio. The sec of state brunner and a judge, are prohibiting poll observers.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________

    I just went to a meeting about this Tuesday They said nothing about prohibiting poll observers.
    They said some precincts may have Observers and then they proceeded to tell us what to do

  92. That tatic with the homeless is common. both the gop and dems have been doing it forever. literally.

  93. neeta, the observers were kicked out for the early voting that is going on now. The observers will be allowed for actual election day, but they didn’t want observers allowed to watch what was going on with all this “same day” shit.

  94. Today in Tampa [I believe] Big Dawg shilled for nObama. Reportedly only 3,000 showed up – I suppose Kookaide drinkers anyway. Now, Bubba, after what I heard you say today while kissing nObama’s a$$ just went too far – you are not putting your country first, much less the scores of Clinton supporters. I love you and Hill, and you can still make it up to me and help me keep the faith, but you are going to have to work for my undying love and trust now.

    Big Dawg, ended the part I saw with….”[nObama] is going to do this, and this, and this,……….and [my words – if youi know what is good for you] YOU HAD BETTER VOTE FOR HIM!

    BIG DAWG AND HILL —– i. don’t. think. so. NOT now. NOT ever. Stop telling me to vote for him when you KNOW he will destroy our country and everything that is in it.

    Stop shilling for nObama – and do it NOW!

  95. mny dems voting no on the bill-cantwell, tester, nelson of fl etc… that cant be good. they say htere is no protections for homeowners etc.. then ya should been behind hillary through the conv

  96. This OH fraud thing worries me. We should at least make everybody we know aware of it. Media is not going to lift a finger. Aren’t there republican volunteers/election workers in those polling places?

  97. October 01, 2008
    Categories: The economy

    91,000 bailout calls — 85,000 against — to Feinstein

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) says she’s voting yea despite receiving 85,000 calls against it — out of 91,000 total calls.
    politico

  98. moononpluto Says:

    October 1st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    I aint worried about the polls, look folks.

    No need to panic, we knew they were going to pull this bull, its classic like what they did in the primaries to Hillary, make Bambi look good then lose by a mile, remember california, said he’d win by 10, he lost by 9, said he’d win RI, had him tied, lost by 18, said he’d win ohio, had him up 4 to 6 in most, lost by 10, said he’d win Mass, had him tied, he lost by 150,000 votes, said he’d win texas had him up 4, he lost by 100,000 votes. Pensylvania, had him tied or winning over Hillary, he lost by 10 and 250,000 votes.

    So go figure, what do you think they are doing, i can see it.
    ======
    and that’s with heaven knows how much voter fraud. Looks like tons happened in Texas. Hillary probably actually won by a landslide.

  99. I mean seriously, if 95% of your voters that YOU represent say NO, that means ,you vote no you dumb cow.

  100. feingold no-
    In addition, Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold is refusing to join in the official wringing of hands in Washington and on Wall Street about Monday’s surprise decision of the House to reject the proposed $700 billion bailout plan.

    Of course, the maverick Democrat is concerned about the turbulence in the banking and insurance industries.

    But he believes that the House vote created an opening to develop a better plan. And the Wisconsin Democrat is proposing some priorities for doing so.

    “(Monday’s) vote on the bailout proposal in the House of Representatives gives Congress an opportunity to address the major flaws in the proposal,” the senator said on Tuesday. “We can do so and still act in an expedited manner.”

    The third-term senator, who often has been at odds with the Capitol consensus with regard to financial issues, is offering a list of specific ideas about how to improve the proposal.

    “First, the negotiators should offset the cost of the proposed bailout so that taxpayers don’t get saddled with it. There are plenty of proposals out there that can be considered, including asking Wall Street to bear at least some of the cost,” says Feingold.

    “Second, negotiators should add meaningful provisions to help families facing foreclosure. This is more than just a matter of fairness – the housing crisis is the root cause of the credit market collapse, and unless we address it, any rescue package is far less likely to work,” Feingold continues. “Finally, negotiators must address the deeply flawed regulatory structure that paved the way for this crisis. The administration and others have said such reforms must wait for another day, but once a rescue package is enacted, we lose the leverage needed to enact tough reforms to get the financial sector to clean up its act, and we risk having to deal with this same mess all over again.”

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/366927/sanders_on_bailout_let_paulson_and_his_friends_pay_for_it

  101. As far as the polls go people are watching the news and they know if they say that they are not voting for Obama that they are racists. People in these polls are saying what the pollsters want to hear. When the actual votes are tallied MSM will be talking about the Bradley effect for years to come and blame Obama’s loss on racism and just over look that fact that we want a president and not a messiah.

  102. look if feinstein, boxer and Obama voted “yes”…then a lot of liberals in CA will be pissed off….
    they will vote for Nader……not bad 🙂

  103. its the economy. the economy is driving up obama’s numbers. n 4 weeks if tht is the issue stil he wins. if not mccain

  104. This OH fraud thing worries me. We should at least make everybody we know aware of it. Media is not going to lift a finger. Aren’t there republican volunteers/election workers in those polling places?
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    I will be working at the polls as a presiding judge on the Democrat side

    I address this question at the meeting. I live in Cuyahoga county, there are more Democratic here. So i told them last time during the election at my table there were only Dems, no Repulicans. I told her at the end of the day i had to have a dem sign the book as a republican. She said there were not enough Republicans, so they are not sure what they are going to do about this. I told her how can you be fair and balanced when every judge is a democratic.

  105. I forgot to say about the observer, they will have to follow us to drop off the box. When i drop off the box there should also be a republican riding with me instead of a Democratic

  106. moon, are they voting on the bailout bill, or on the India nukes bill? They were supposed to vote on both tonight…

  107. They are finally eliminating some people from working in the precincts. After the meeting you have to take a test. Would you believe there was one man that got every answer wrong. I don’t think he could read.

    This time the voter marks his or her ballot. We will have the scan machine there, the voter has to scan there ballot themselves. At least we will have a check and balance.

  108. The good thing is the general election will not be done as caucus! The sole reason the fraud worked was because of the caucus.

  109. The Senate tonight passed a sweeping and controversial financial bailout similar in key ways to one rejected by the House just two days earlier. The measure was passed by a vote of 74-25 after more than three hours of floor debate in the Senate. Both presidential candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, voted in favor, CNNMoney.com reports. developing story

  110. NYT

    Adding Sweeteners, Senate Passes Bailout Plan
    By CARL HULSE and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN 4 minutes ago

    The Senate strongly endorsed the $700 billion economic bailout plan, leaving backers hopeful that the easy approval, coupled with an array of popular additions, would lead to passage in the House by Friday.

    * Draft of Senate Proposal (pdf)

  111. birdgal, it’s in there, but not in hard terms. Paulson is encouraged to consider it, but it’s mostly left up to him, when you boil it right down.

    I have not seen the final yet, but the draft stunk. It still puts WAY too much power in the hands of Paulson. Most of the portions about what he is and is not allowed to do are couched in language that gives plenty of wiggle room.

    It’s all “at the secretary’s discretion”, it’s all “if in his determination..”

    The bill encourages him to do a lot of things (like re-working mortgages for the hurting), but it has no real teeth to MAKE him do a damn thing. It’s almost all entirely up the his judgement, with a bunch of what amount to suggested guidelines. The oversight provisions are WEAK.

    To my mind, if this thing passes, we will have voted to allow Sec. Paulson to run his own 700 billion investment fund, paid for by us, however he sees fit.

  112. moononpluto Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    New Voters May Not Vote, Poll Indicates

    51% not interested in the election to vote.

    http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212175811.shtml

    The crush of newly registered voters may skew for Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race but they may not show up to vote, a poll indicates.

    ====
    THis happens every year. especially college kids. That is why they are pushing and busing them in in Ohio, so they don’t have an excuse not to show up in Nov.

  113. I have heard about the Ohio thing with the republicans, about early voting, they tried to get it over turned in the supreme court saying it made voter fraud too easy, the supreme court ruled it legal, and the majority of them were republicans. They did say the republicans did a good job there of voter turn out, and that is why Bush won there in 2004, and that this year they would have to be perfect, there would be no room for mistakes. They gave the name of the man in charge of it, can’t remember his name. It was on Fox news. They are very aware of it.

  114. I don’t believe these polls are as tight as they make, just no way, can’t see it, sorry, there’s serious fudging going on here.
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    absolutely right!!!!

  115. I agree about the serious fudging of the polls. And it depends on who you look at. Also remember they had John Kerry in the same place 4 years ago, they were sure he had it won, he was up early in on election day and someone was actually referring to him as Mr. President. And we know how that turned out.

  116. kids sing to praise BHO
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    Reminds me of the old british movie Children of the Damned.

    Whenever I see a bambi bumper sticker I say to myself there goes a lemming.

    Ask them what he has accomplished in congress and the grow silent like that Texas state senator.

    Course he did spearhead that 800 billion dollar global proverty initiative when we need money here.

  117. 91,000 bailout calls — 85,000 against — to Feinstein
    ——————————————-
    perhaps we can tap into this anger to unseat some of the anti hillary senators if they voted for abortion of a bill–assuming they voted yes.
    Ditto with the House.

    I hope someone is preparing a list correlation those tow variables. Feinstein was a Hillary supporter so I hope she survives. We need her.

  118. SHV Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    # birdgal Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Well, I have been guilty of posting long posts, but I’m not a bot. Nice to know, that it is a technique that they use. I will keep my radar up. I will post more links.
    *************
    *************
    IIRC, another reason to post (snips) and links is that it protects the blog owner from copyright infringement lawsuits. Excerpts are protected by “fair use”.
    ================

    So when you’re sure a long article was posted by a bot, report him for copyright violation?

  119. Check out therealbarackobama.wordpress.com (B Merryfield?) for the latest on the communist takeover from within – the growing circle of Ayers-Dohrn-Obama partners in crime.

    Citizen Wells need to be checked out as well.

    Brain overload.

    Got to sleep somehow.

  120. freckles said: As for Gwen Ifill, I think they should leave her now as at least there will be no debate about her objectivity and Palin may benefit from it.

    ===============

    Certainly it’s better than bringing in some unknown person who is just as slanted toward Obama but can be presented as impartial. After all the criticism, Ifill may clean up her act.

  121. Black causus has Acorn; Hispannic/latino causus has La RAZA…they both want big money…
    ——————————————
    then reach in their own pockets and stay out of ours. these are radical organizations and should not receive taxpayer funds

  122. WASHINGTON – After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened.

    Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.

    In the House, leaders were working feverishly to convert enough opponents of the bill to push it through by Friday, just days after lawmakers there stunningly rejected an earlier version and sent markets plunging around the globe.

    The measure didn’t cause the same uproar in the Senate, where both parties’ presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, made rare appearances to cast “aye” votes, as did Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

    In the final vote, 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted “yes.” Nine Democrats, 15 Republicans and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted “no.”

    President Bush issued a statement praising the Senate’s move. With the revisions, Bush said, “I believe members of both parties in the House can support this legislation. The American people expect and our economy demands that the House pass this good bill this week and send it to my desk.”

    The rescue package lets the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a deep recession.

    Even as the Senate voted, House leaders were hunting for the 12 votes they would need to turn around Monday’s 228-205 defeat. They were especially targeting the 133 Republicans who voted “no.”

    Their opposition appeared to be easing after the Senate added $110 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class, plus a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the cap on federal deposit insurance.

    They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

    There were worries, though, that the tax breaks would cause some conservative-leaning “Blue Dog” Democrats who voted for the rescue Monday to abandon it. The bill doesn’t designate a way to pay for many of the tax cuts, and Blue Dogs typically oppose any measure that swells the deficit.

    “I’m concerned about that,” said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the majority leader.

    Raising the deposit insurance limit — along with the SEC’s accounting change — helped House Republicans claim credit for some substantive changes. And with constituent feedback changing dramatically since Monday’s shocking House defeat and the corresponding market plunge, lawmakers’ comfort level with the package increased markedly.

    Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., who voted “no” on Monday, said he was leaning toward switching, and Rep. Steve LaTourette,R-Ohio, said he was “getting there.” Several others were weighing a flip, said Republican officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the lawmakers had not yet announced how they would vote.

    Leaders in both parties, as well as private economic chiefs everywhere, said Congress must quickly approve some version of the bailout measure to start loans flowing and stave off a potential national economic disaster.

    “This is what we need to do right now to prevent the possibility of a crisis turning into a catastrophe,” Obama said on the Senate floor. In Missouri, before flying to Washington to vote, McCain said, “If we fail to act, the gears of our economy will grind to a halt.”

    Critics on the right and left assailed the rescue plan, which has been panned by their constituents as a giveaway for Wall Street, and has little obvious direct benefit for ordinary Americans.

    Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., a leading conservative, said the step was “leading us into the pit of socialism.”

    Sanders, a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

    “The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse,” Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class “pick up the pieces that they broke.”

    Still, proponents argued that the financial sector’s woes were already being felt by ordinary people in the form of unaffordable credit and underperforming retirement savings and without the bailout would soon translate into even more economic pain for working Americans, including more job losses.

    “There will be no balloons or bunting or parades,” when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. But lawmakers will have “the knowledge that at one of our nation’s moments of maximum economic peril, we acted — not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans.”

    Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said the intense, at times contentious, 11-day round of bipartisan talks to craft the bailout — which followed dire warnings of impending economic meltdown from Bush’s economic chiefs to congressional leaders — was an “extraordinary experience.”

    “This is the way government’s supposed to work, folks, and it did,” Gregg said.

    The Senate specializes in high-stakes legislating by enticement, and the long list of sweeteners it added was designed to attract votes from various constituencies.

    In addition to extending several tax breaks popular with businesses, the bill would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans and provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

    Tax cuts new and old are favorites for most House Republicans. Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West, while disaster aid was a top priority for lawmakers from across the Midwest and South.

    Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others.

    Increasing the deposit insurance cap was a bid to reassure individuals and small businesses that their money would be safe if their banks collapsed. It was particularly geared toward small banks that fear customers will pull their money and park it in larger institutions seen as less likely to fold.

    The FDIC would be allowed to borrow unlimited money from the Treasury Department through the end of next year as a way to cover the increased insurance limit. If used, it would be the first time the agency has tapped Treasury for a loan since the early 1990s.

    The rescue bill hitched a ride on a popular measure that gives people with mental illness better health insurance coverage. Before passing it, senators voted by an identical 74-25 margin to attach the massive bailout and the tax breaks.

    (This version CORRECTS vote breakdown of yes votes to 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and one Independent.))

  123. The presidential race in both parties pitted Main Street against Wall Street.

    In the Democratic primary, Hillary is Main Street and Bambi (and the DNC) is Wall Street. Wall cheated. Wall Street won.

    In the Republican primary, McCain/Palin is Main Street and Romney/Guilani is Wall Street. Main Street won.

    Big Media is owned by Wall Street ergo Big Media supports Wall Street Bambi, and opposed Main Street Hillary, McCain and Palin.

    Thus, the general election pits Main Street McCain against Wall Street Bambi. Rational voters will look past the hype cast their votes on that basis and tell Big Media to get fucked.

  124. “There will be no balloons or bunting or parades,” when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. But lawmakers will have “the knowledge that at one of our nation’s moments of maximum economic peril, we acted — not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans.”
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    Now let this jackass who failed in his oversight role elocute for his misfeasance that helped create a crisis which has cost the American People and their futures dearly. Thanks to you motor mouth we are over the mountain and all we see ahead is the Himalayas/

  125. Liberal Rapture has a very good analysis of that creepy Children Sing for Obama video:

    Replace Obama with Jesus and anyone who has seen Jesus Camp will recognize the intent. Like Jesus Camp these children are unknowingly being indoctrinated into a RELIGION. The parents in this clip and Obama supporters everywhere are MIND LESS. They have checked out. Replacing rational ideas with slogans and happy hope. I repeat again: With the far Right there is an ideology behind the blather acting as a backstop. Agree or disagree. IDEAS are being contested . Other than “Obama is good” – what is the animating idea of the Whole Foods Nation? The “adults” in this Venice home are probably not communists or any other “ist”. They are merely the unquestioning Faithful. The children are not singing to confirm their politics, but their FAITH.

    Intellectually, what is the differnece between these parents and those who send their kids to Jesus Camp? Of course, another question that is still worthy since it has never been answered is: Yes, We Can….what???

  126. ctv: I have always wondered, what “Yes, we can..” means. It is mindless chatter. Emptiness. Nothingness. I don’t get it, at all.

  127. Sanders, a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

    “The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse,” Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class “pick up the pieces that they broke.”
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    I like Bernie Sanders.

  128. ctv: I have always wondered, what “Yes, we can..” means. It is mindless chatter. Emptiness. Nothingness. I don’t get it, at all.
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    it is designed to appeal to zombies

  129. Comment by rw | 2008-10-01 23:07:28

    I watched MSNBC all evening and the 700billion was raised to 850billion…

    There are some “sweetners” added such as giving tax breaks to manufacturers of wooden arrows…something carzy like that…I don’t understand how this can pass the house.

    Really, did the Senators read the 400 odd pages that is this bill?
    NQ

  130. wooden arrows, sounds harmless, but why, did it need its own tax breaks? Odd.

    wbboei: “it is designed to appeal to zombies”

    We have millions of zombies. Seems like The Night of The Living Dead.

  131. a close friend of mine sent me an email yesterday regarding those obama kids singing and this is what she said:

    Yuk could not watch the whole thing particulary the “yes we can” that guy has borrowed, stolen, so much from so many people, I hate that he took the Cesar Chavez mantra, slogan of the migrant workers and adopted it his own, that makes me want to vomit because the young brainwashed kids like these will think Obama thought of it…and Michelle as first lady with her new look? I a really worried about voter fraud, this will be close and I say watch the ACORN group really close…

    ***********************

    so there you have it from someone who knows “Yes, we can” was just another thing Obama stole/copied from someone else, in this case Cesar Chavez and his slogan with the migrant workers…

    Obama has no core anything…

  132. birdgal…he is such a fraud…the latest…now he has his own obama channel…obama, obama, obama…I cannot stand this constant brainwashing and borderline fascism…this is going to only get worse

  133. S: When I read about the TV station, at first, I thought it was a joke. I wonder, who is paying for it. It is through Tribune media, out of Chicago. This election gets sicker and sicker, with each passing day. I am so glad that I don’t have satellite TV. I wouldn’t want to pay for that.

  134. the whole thing…the media, this gwen Ilfill debacle, zombie singing kids, all of it…it is like obama overload…I cannot turn on the tv without obama being on every commerical break…and if i turn the channel he is on that channel…

    it is a freaking nightmare

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  136. I plan on hitting every gay bar in the Pittsburgh area clad in a McCain sweatshirt Friday.I want to be armed when I do
    I am well aware of the Mcklukin tour
    I know about the refusal to be photographed with Newsome\
    I know he has flipped on don’t ask don’t tell
    I plan on spending friday evening in argument but I will have a piece of paper on my person that will give substance and validity to my argument. When I ostensibly lose my case I will ask them to take a look at the facts.
    So any gay related info I appreciate.

  137. henry,

    Dunno about Obama and gay, but here’s Palin:

    h t t p : / / newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/09/30/couric-patronizingly-challenges-lectures-palin-had-coddled-biden#comments

    But, as for homosexuality, I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships. I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years who happens to be gay, and I love her dearly and she is not my “gay friend,” she is one of my best friends, who happens to have made a choice that isn’t a choice that I have made. But I’m not going to judge people.
    ….
    Palin: I am all for contraception. And I’m all for any preventative measures that are legal and safe, and should be taken
    ….
    COURIC: Do you believe evolution should be taught as an accepted scientific principle or one of several theories?

    PALIN: Oh, I think it should be taught as an accepted principle. And, you know, I say that also as the daughter of a school teacher, a science teacher, who has really instilled in me a respect for science. It should be taught in our schools. And I won’t ever deny that I see the hand of God in this beautiful creation that is Earth. But that is not part of a policy or a local curriculum in a school district. Science should be taught in science class.

    There’s a good Palin reference, http://www.palinrumors.com, debunking some stuff.

  138. henry,

    As one article puts it, “Palin governs from the center.” I get the impression that Palin has a strategy of avoiding being pinned down about policies because she wants to govern more liberally than her base would like.

    See the Couric installment on social issues. When asked about social issues she talks about her PERSONAL choices. She avoids talking about policy on those issues. I suspect this is because she wants to use liberal or neutral policies without offending her base.

    Here is a story showing her doing the same thing while campaigning for Gov of Alaska:
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14158_Page2.html

    On small stage, Palin scored big debate wins

    Yet a review of Palin’s experience during her 2006 campaign for governor, when she engaged in a long series of debates with her opponents, suggests she is a more formidable adversary than is widely thought.

  139. henry – I sent that quote about Palin’s friend to a publisher of a major gay magazine, and their knee-jerk reaction was she says homosexuality is “a choice.”

    I noticed that too – but look, we have to have compassion and dialogue with people we disagree with, and I don’t have a problem with what Palin says either.

  140. Comment on NQ:

    $200 million in illegal campaign donations:

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13981

    An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst’s requests have largely been ignored. “I can’t get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it.”

  141. Countthevotes
    wow i keep having to deete my respnse to your last post as I get to blah blh blah,No what I mean?

  142. henry – I get it; its’ hard to explain unless you’re family. I don’t take offense, though I disagree with Palin.

  143. from a poster at RD; Obama now ripping off Clinton. No surprise. Maybe Clinton came out first with the HOLC analysis because she knew Obama would be looking over her shoulder in class.

    masslib, on October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am Said:

    Via corrente:

    Obama: Treasury should “study” HOLC
    Submitted by lambert on Wed, 2008-10-01 21:04.

    * HOLC

    That’s not to hard to parse, is it? Obama’s speech from the Senate floor at Big Orange:

    We should encourage Treasury to study the option of buying individual mortgages like we did successfully in the 1930’s.

    Well, alrighty then.

    Too bad Obama couldn’t quite bring himself to mention the acronym, HOLC, so people know what his cryptic reference means…

    Me again, why is it so hard for this guy to take a stand?

  144. why is it so hard for this guy to take a stand?
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    doesn’t know what he is doing.

  145. holc studied? hah-um obama it ran for yrs under fdr and worked just fine. this is a big dem yr-and this si the dem we get? 18 mos of work for hillary-fighting her own campaign people who locked out the grassroots until the money ran dry and by then she fell behind in delegates. a exhuastive time. and we get obama. thanks patti solis for atching your greys anatomy marathon in iowa for days! thanks penn for not speaking to anyone int he campaign! and grunwald-u too! oh and thanks for having no caucus straegy at all on feb 5. none. all those caucus states were ceded to obama and we fell into the hands of the supers. for so long i battled with her campaign folks to bring in the grassroots. sadly it was too late for this go round. glad doyle works for obama-since she never created the fundraising outreach needed for sm donors hillary had no money for feb. we bled and never got back the del lead. yeah im pissed at the dnc for putting obama over the top but im rightfully angry at the way her campaign staff handled the whole damned thing. trust me i worked with some of them-mindblowing. the grassroots got locked out in tx. we had to fight just to get access to the voter databases after one week war. no phone banking at the office. yes many hred staff-from out of state who did nothing. didnt even now what the hill country was.
    during the tx primary obama was always outorganzing b he tapped his grassroots from day one. im still sick over the whole thing. she is so brilliant and they grossly did her diservice. yes wolfson etc were great and next time they better run the show. and have the grassroots employed-not some dc nitwits who havent a clue where they are and come to run your state’s operations. grassroots campaigns are always better than top to bottom ones. she should be the nom but she isnt and judging fom my extensive 1st hand accounts part of the reason why we dont have her now is bc of the numskulls who did little for her on many occassions. i hope patti enjoyed blowing through millions of hillary bucks. and yes im bitttttter…..

  146. This from a pro Obama site. Doesn’t it make you wonder how many union workers are lying to their union leaders, saying they will support Obama when it might be totally different come election day?? I am assuming we are primarily talking PA here. They are trying to blame race. These are Hillary supporters.
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    Top Obama Labor Supporter Warns Race Remains Volatile, Says Voters Lack Clear Sense Of Obama
    By Greg Sargent – October 1, 2008, 12:14PM
    In an unusually candid interview, a top official for the largest union backing Obama said that internal union polling shows that the race remains much more volatile and fluid in key battleground states than public polling suggests. He warned that low-information swing-state voters are saying they still don’t have a firm enough grasp on Obama’s life-story, character and record for the Illinois Senator to close the deal with them.

    The comments by the official, AFL-CIO deputy political director Mike Podhorzer, are surprisingly frank and seemed intended as a reality check at a time when polls show the momentum has clearly swung in Obama’s favor.

    “This election remains extremely volatile in the battlegrounds,” Podhorzer told us. “The public polls are giving a false sense of precision about where the race is. That’s a story that’s not really being told.”

    Strikingly, Podhorzer said that his union’s internal polls — which push voters hard on the question of whether people are really firmly committed to their pick — show that as many as “15 to 20 percent” of battleground state voters remain “persuadable,” as he put it, despite what public polls say about the level of undecided voters.

    “There are more voters than you’d expect who are just starting to pay attention to the election,” he said. “And there’s a lot of room for people to go back and forth.”

    Podhorzer stressed that he is impressed by Obama’s gains and is convinced Obama is on track to win right now. But he said that the union’s interaction with battleground-state voters, combined with extensive internal polling, indicate that this dynamic is anything but fixed and that there’s much more fluidity than is generally acknowledged.

    Podhorzer ascribed the fluidity to two factors: The uncertain and rapidly shifting political landscape created by the financial crisis, and the relatively little time Obama has spent as a politician in the national spotlight.

    “Low information voters who haven’t been following this don’t know very much about Obama, in a way that might be different from other elections,” he said. “Voters are saying, `I really don’t want another four years of this, but I don’t know much about him.”

    “One of the things we find is that there’s no sense of where he came from, what he’s achieved, and that he’s had to work hard for what he’s done,” Podhorzer continued. “People have much less of a grasp on Obama’s biography than they do of McCain, who has created a persona of POW, survivor, independent, fought honorably for his country.”

    To be sure, union officials also see the vacuum in voter knowledge as a big opportunity. The union has launched a massive campaign in the swing states to educate voters about what McCain’s policies would mean for them in the real world and how Obama is much more in touch with their problems than McCain is. And the polling shows that these voters are very receptive to this argument, Podhorzer says.

    “When we lay out McCain’s economic policies, like taxing health care benefits and privatizing social security, these voters abandon him readily,” he said. “That’s not what people assume McCain is about.”

    But Podhorzer cautioned against complacency. “Obama has definitely pulled ahead of McCain, but there’s softness,” he said. “With the financial crisis, and with surprises we can’t imagine yet, there’s a lot of work to do.”

  147. Lin that basically means they know the polls are a crock of bias shit and are setting up the scenario of expectations and racism for when they lose.

  148. Thank God for Lou Dobbs. I would like to know that too.

    Could anyone explain the AOL straw poll to me???? It is 100% red. I have a hard time believing that conservatives overwhelmingly read AOL. Its not a conservative site. I would expect that on newsmax or NRO, but AOL?????? There isn’t a single blue state, although DC goes back and forth from week to week and probably has the narrowest margin. I don’t think even CNN is 100% blue, and they are always doing those snap shot polls. I understand it isn’t scientific, just thought it was odd with all the news of Obama gains, that that poll is so red.

  149. That’s kind of what I thought moononpluto, trying to set it up to blame race if he loses, but I was also kind of hoping they would buy into complacency. I think BO kind of has, he honestly believes he is inevitable. He buys into his own hype. I would love to see him lose a normally blue state. Michigan is really close, with everything that has happened up there. Detroit is full of voter fraud though.

  150. That’s kind of what I thought moononpluto, trying to set it up to blame race if he loses, but I was also kind of hoping they would buy into complacency. I think BO kind of has, he honestly believes he is inevitable. He buys into his own hype.
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    Its a sickness/

  151. $200 million in illegal campaign donations:

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13981

    An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst’s requests have largely been ignored. “I can’t get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it.”
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    grist for a major 527 attack

  152. Have you seen this on NQ?

    ==
    Media Bias: The Fix Is In
    By NancyAcloseAuthor: NancyA Name: Nancy A

    I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read an article by Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds about an e-mail he received from a reader who works in a “major newsroom.”

    “Off the record,” that reader told Reynolds, “every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true.” The reader described the situation in his newsroom in stark detail:

    We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and it’s working.

    Reynolds reports that he asked for permission to reprint the e-mail “without attribution,” which “was granted.”

    Since Reynolds’ initial story, the account has been verified by other sources. Reynolds notes that “the Anchoress hears similar things.” Adds Reynolds reader Eric Schubert:

    The Edwards debacle was proof enough of where the heart of the MSM lies, and lack of curiousity of the press about Edwards probably cost Hillary the nomination. And that shameful episode offers a warning to the MSM. What if Obama does have a skeleton in his closet (such as a shady deal or outright bribe) that is revealed after he wins the election? While the chance of this scenario is remote, imagine the backlash against the MSM if it could be shown that a reasonable investigation by the MSM would have easily revealed this secret to the public prior to the election?

    The Anchoress had this to say about the MSM:

    I have a couple friends who work in the MSM, too, and one of them tells me the newsroom is (exact words) “unbelievably cavalier” about any complaints viewers register about their reports, what they ignore, their bias or the way they edit Republicans vs. the way the treat Dems. “Cavalier” as in the fix is in and they don’t even have to pretend to care what half the country thinks or wants.

    The Anchoress has more to say. She opens our eyes to things that certain legislators want. She suggests Pelosi is getting what she wants:

    I suppose this is why print media and the press in general don’t care about their tumbling revenues; when The Pelosi gets the regulated internet and restricted Congress that she wants, and Obama gets his thugs and his Justice Department monitoring, intimidating and shutting down alternative media (and the dissenting voices we’ve been told are “patriotic” when a Republican is in the White House) the incestuous mainstream press will go back to being the only game in town. Pravda West.

    (Shrug) everyone sees it coming; the voters don’t seem to want to stop it.

  153. She has already said she plans to reinstate the fairness doctrine, that will shut down talk radio. they will go after Fox too.

  154. meiyingsu Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    kids sing to praise BHO
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    absolutely horrifying.

  155. *Can’t believe this hasn’t been posted yet. McCain should send out copies to every household in the nation…..

    Memo (pdf): h t t p : / / facethestate.com/downloads/coda-web/strategygroup.pdf

    h t t p : / / facethestate.com/articles/democracy-alliance-memo-details-dem-plan-educate-idiots-and-target-minorities

    Democracy Alliance memo details Dem plan to “educate the idiots” and target minorities

    October 1, 2008
    Face The State Staff Report

    In a confidential internal memorandum obtained by Face The State (PDF), the Colorado Democracy Alliance outlines a roster of “operatives” who worked for Democratic victory in the 2006 general election. The document outlines specific tasks for various members of the state’s liberal infrastructure, including a campaign to “educate the idiots,” assigned to the state’s AFL-CIO union. Among the operation’s intended targets: “minorities, GED’s, drop-outs.”

    Individuals named in the document, marked “CONFIDENTIAL,” “for internal use only,” and “DO NOT DISTRIBUTE,” are high-level elected Democrats including House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, former Senate President Joan Fitz-Gerald, as well as Gov. Bill Ritter’s press aide and former campaign chief Evan Dreyer. All are specially marked as “off-the-record or covert.”

    Mentioned as a “critical contact” was Dominic DelPapa, a partner at Ikon Public Affairs. DelPapa was at the center of recent controversy stemming from the February leak of a confidential memo he authored detailing a multi-million dollar “foot on throat” attack on Republican U.S. Senate candidate Bob Schaffer, among others.

    CoDA is one of 18 state-based versions of the nationally focused Democracy Alliance, a self-described “investment partnership of business and philanthropic leaders” funding liberal infrastructure nationwide. For more information about the Democracy Alliance in Colorado, see day one and two of Face The State’s week-long series on the group.

    In a podcast released by the DNC Host Committee Tuesday, national Democracy Alliance founder Rob Stein explains the need for large, secretive donor networks. “We do not have the infrastructure that the right has built, yet,” he said. “But there has never in the history of progressivedom (sic) been a clearer, more strategic, more focused, more disciplined, better financed group of institutions operating at the state and national level.”

    In the same podcast, Laurie Hirschfeld Zeller, the newly installed executive director of CoDA, explains her organization’s mission. “Our job is to build a long-term progressive infrastructure in Colorado while we’re conceding nothing in the short term in terms of progressive goals at the ballot box.”

    Zeller had high praise for the state’s liberal establishment, specifically naming America Votes, New Era Colorado, Progressive Majority, the Latina Initiative, and ProgressNow as partners in CoDA’s coalition building efforts. “CoDA works with all these organizations,” she said.

    The Bell Policy Center, a liberal think tank that regularly plays host to CoDA board meetings, was praised for its work fighting to dismantle Colorado’s Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights. She characterized Colorado’s constitutional requirement for voter approval of tax increases as “arcane.”

    According to Zeller, CoDA operates “in a structure that provides privacy to members.” Under current law, this structure is as a taxable non-profit organization that allows individual donors to give anonymously to shared causes. She described the structure as a “fiscal irrigation system” designed to “provide a harvest later this fall.”

    Stein, the DA founder, said state groups like CoDA have fired “a warning shot to conservatives in America.”

    “Conservatives have nothing comparable to possibly compete with it, and they better watch out,” he said. Colorado was chosen as a test case for exporting DA’s national model, due in part to the “significant wealth” of liberal donors living here.

    “It’s not just individual donors,” Zeller said of CoDA’s financial underwriting. “One of the things that has been crucial in making the work of the Colorado Democracy Alliance effective in Colorado has been our partnership with institutional donors and activist organizations in labor, particularly,” she said. “That’s been a major part of how we get our work done here.”

    According to Zeller, CoDA’s giving is concentrated in five general funding categories: leadership development, communications, “research and ideas,” “civic engagement” and “constituency development.”

    “We embrace the ‘progressive’ label in our giving and the strategic role we play in Colorado politics,” she said.

    Despite sweeping gains for political liberals both in Colorado and nationally, Stein believes his coalition can do a better job of communicating with voters.

    “It feels scary, because we don’t have the message down right,” he said. “[But] We’re being more businesslike – we’re being more professional.”

  156. CountTheVotes Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 2:48 am
    henry – I get it; its’ hard to explain unless you’re family. I don’t take offense, though I disagree with Palin.
    *****************************************************
    The problem I have with gays on this, is that they are not being intellecturely honest on this issue.

    Yes, I do believe for some it’s genetics but for many it’s choice. There is no way you can convince me that Lindsay Lohan is gay due to genetics.

  157. Watching the video of the brainwashed singing children praising The One Obama, and recalling the Obama presidential seal, under wraprs for now, wondering who is publishing the Little Blue Book, like the Little Red Book by Mao Tse-tung, the Communist Chinese Dictator.

    Seeing as how the Ayers’ circle of Communists is coming full “O” circle, (check out therealbarackobama.wordpress.com (the former Rezko Watch site) to see the newest revelations about this communist takeover from within. Appears going as planned, coming off without nary a hitch – thanks to Big Media and the nonexposure.

    Where can you purchase a bumper sticker that says “Don’t Blame Me – I voted for Hillary AND McCain”? Oh, I forgot, the Obama Big Brother Is Watching You Police State will have me arrested or worse. AND ask to see the copy of my Little Blue Book.

    God help us. We need a wag the dog worse now than at any point in our nation’s history. WAG THE DOG!

  158. Yes, I do believe for some it’s genetics but for many it’s choice. There is no way you can convince me that Lindsay Lohan is gay due to genetics.
    ===
    I have to agree with that. And Anne Hisch too, straight one day, gay the next, straight the next. That sounds like choice, not genetics.

  159. I don’t think that GLBT people are monolithic and all the same. I do believe that MOST are “born that way”. Heck, I knew my nephew was gay when he was, like, 10 years old. But I also think that some people DO choose same sex over opposite sex for a great variety of reasons and personal experiences, because the human psyche is complicated. I don’t see the point in trying to insist on some sort of orthodoxy of belief in this matter. If there is evidence for both, then why have the fight that one or the other view must be 100% wrong? Maybe it’s as simple as both “types” of gay people exist, and that is FINE. I get really tired of shoving people into boxes.

  160. IFEl PLAYS the RACE CARD

    The host of PBS'”Washington Week” and senior correspondent on “The NewsHour” said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book. The commission had no immediate comment when contacted by The Associated Press. A spokeswoman for John McCain’s campaign did not immediately return phone and e-mail messages.

    Ifill said Obama’s story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book,.

    THEN WHY DOES DHE CALL IT THE AGE OF OBAMA??????????
    ……. Ifill dismissed conservative questions about her impartiality because she is writing a book that includes material on Barack Obama.
    ……Ifill said Wednesday that she hasn’t even written her chapter on Obama
    ……shel questions why people assume that her book will be favorable toward Obama.”Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?” said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, “I don’t know what it is. I find it curious.”
    apnews.myway.com/article/20081002/D93I484G3.html

  161. OBAMA TV (ben smith politico)
    Three readers from different parts of the country email that Channel 073-00 on the Dish Network is now labeled OBAMA…… The channel plays his two-minute ad laying out his economic plan on a loop, over and over.
    . . . . in a discussion on a forum for Satellite TV aficionados one user writes that a Dish Network executive emailed to reassure the user that it “is paid advertising by the Obama campaign and is not an endorsement of Senator Obama by DISH Network” and will broadcast through November 4.
    Dish Network spokesman Parker McConachie confirmed the forum account, and stressed that the channel is paid advertising, and not a corporate endorsement.

  162. They did a replay of a BBC news story. They go over to Hanoi and interview McCain’s jailer, who tells a different story than McCain, that he remembers McCain, they had fierce debates in his office during the day, but after hours they were great friends and McCain taught him english. Apparantly the BBC story said the jailers story could not be verified. The NBC one left that line off completely. They also don’t point out that Hanoi is still ran by communism. I suppose that him not being able to left his hands over his head for the last 40 years has all been a ploy to get sympathy. Just the premise that they would do that when they haven’t made a single trip to Chicago just disgusts me.

  163. Lin,

    thanks. i meant i don’t want to watch it.

    That sounds real convincing. (not). Interviewing the jailer.
    Absurd.

  164. # rjk1957 Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    As far as the polls go people are watching the news and they know if they say that they are not voting for Obama that they are racists. People in these polls are saying what the pollsters want to hear. When the actual votes are tallied MSM will be talking about the Bradley effect for years to come and blame Obama’s loss on racism and just over look that fact that we want a president and not a messiah.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Yes, this year, the Bradley Effect will be even higher than normal.

    So high, in fact, it will be renamed the Obama Poll Fudge Factor.

  165. rgb,

    I hope you’re right.

    What’s your take on why Jm isn’t hitting harder? I’m getting worried. There’s not much time left.

  166. Who cares, I’m black and I don’t want Obama as my president because I disagree with him politically and don’t want to see Chicago Politics upgrade nationally.

    Also I have a problem with dictators and arrogance in leaders. Obama will be a horrible leader.

    Even my brother who is an Obama supporter doesn’t think Obama gives a fig about Black people but he believes in the bigger picture of a Black President will help uplift Blacks self esteem. He tells me all the time that he does not trust Obama because so many Whites are backing him and that Blacks are going to get disappointed in Obama.

    He likes McCain, Hillary, Bill and doesn’t know much about Palin but it’s not hatred…it’s about power.

  167. blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/10/can-obama-stop-buyers-remorse.html

    Can Obama Stop Buyer’s Remorse?
    By Craig Crawford | October 2, 2008 6:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (55)

    Barack Obama is riding high in the polls right now, but to prove that he is the frontrunner the Democratic presidential nominee still needs to prove that he can overcome buyer’s remorse.

    For months voters questioned in surveys have demonstrated a pattern of backing away from the candidate in front. As soon as Obama or Republican standard bearer John McCain move ahead, the next wave of polls produce a tightening of the race.

    Voters appear to be like car buyers who take advantage of consumer protections that let them change their minds within days after signing a deal. For instance, the latest Gallup tracking survey showed Obama moving back to a 4-point lead after an 8-point lead earlier in the week.

    If this pattern holds, look for McCain to move up again. Unless Obama breaks this trend and holds a structural lead, the enviable position in the final weekend before Election Day would be to run a few points behind.

  168. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14207.html

    McCain criticizes Ifill
    By MIKE ALLEN | 10/2/08 9:05 AM EDT

    Hours ahead of the vice presidential debate, Sen John McCain (R-Ariz.) criticized the selection of PBS’ Gwen Ifill as moderator because she is writing a book called “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.”

    “Frankly, I wish they had picked a moderator that isn’t writing a book favorable to Barack Obama — let’s face it,” McCain said on “Fox & Friends.” “But I have to have to have confidence that Gwen Ifill will handle this as the professional journalist that she is. …

    “Life isn’t fair, as I mentioned earlier in the program.””

    Ifill is host of “Washington Week” and star of “The NewsHour” and is viewed as one of Washington’s fairest journalists.

    The propriety of her selection as moderator for tonight’s debate between Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) and Sen Joe Biden (D-Del.) was questioned by conservatives after the Drudge Report drew attention to her book, to be published in January.

    Palin told conservative radio host Sean Hannity on Wednesday that the supposed conflict would just make her “try harder.” Here’s their exchange:

    HANNITY: Let me ask you one last question. There’s been this issue that the moderator of tomorrow night’s debate, Gwen Ifill, is apparently writing a book to come out the time the next president takes office, and apparently, I actually have the tape, and I’ll play it for you. This is Gwen Ifill talking about the book and it seems very favorable to Barack Obama, I want to ask you out of this if you’re concerned about it.

    IFILL: My name is Gwen Ifill. I am the moderator and managing editor of Washington Week and a senior correspondent for the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. The title of the book is “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama”. It’s taking the story of Barack Obama and extending it to cover a whole new generation of black politicians who are doing similar things in different ways.

    HANNITY: Your thoughts, Governor, is that a concern at all to you?

    PALIN: You know, I’m not going to let it be a concern. Let me just tell you that John McCain has been in an underdog position before, and this ticket, I think it is safe to say, is in an underdog position. But that’s what makes us work harder. It makes us want to communicate more clearly and profoundly with the electorate, letting them know what the contrasts are between these two tickets, It’s motivating to me, even, to hear Gwen’s comments there because, again, it makes us work that much harder, and it provides even more fairness and objectivity and choices for the voters on November 4th, if we try that much harder.

  169. Debate Tip: Look for Palin to Use Biden’s Own Words to Attack Obama

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/debate-tip-look.html

  170. If the BBC couldn’t confirm their information in the first place then they shouldn’t have gone with the story. Shame on them for trying to trash an American hero just because they have drunk the kool aid. And shame on any American television network for following up on this.

  171. I just received a phone call from the DNC. My husband answered, but they asked for me. We have an unlisted number, but they probably have it, and my name from a donation I gave Hillary a good while back.

    Anyway, they asked me how sure I was that I was going to vote and I told her I was definately voting. Then she asked me who I was likely to vote for and started with McCain and while she was starting to say Obama, I said McCain very firmly.

    Then she asked come election day what percentage was I likely to still vote for McCain and I 100% before she even finished the sentence (I know that was rude, but just couldn’t help myself, lol) then after I said 100% I also couldn’t help but give a little laugh, lol. Then she asked me my age and when I said 62 she said I was still young, lol.

    Then she told me the call was being paid for by the Democratic Party. I had already figured that, lol. We small town Pennsylvanians, aren’t quite as dumb as Obama and Biden thinks we are, lol.

  172. I may be going into my second childhood as this election has such a dramatic effect on me. Since my real name is not known, I will confess to what I did yesterday as being very childish – but it felt oooh so gooood!

    We were in Sam’s Club yesterday and I went to the book section. There were three tiers of books and probably close to a dozen that people had written that were political in one sense or another, for children. Lynne Cheney had a book, Meghan McCain’s book on her father was there, and there was one on nObama that I did not recognize the author. Someone else had turned the first in the stack of nObama’s books facing backward. I thought that was a very good move, so I divided nObama’s and Meghan McCain’s books in to two stacks. I placed half of the books on nObama facing backward behind Meghan McCain’s book on the two shelves. I absolutely know it was childish, but as someone told me long ago, you get your revenge in small ways so it can not be detected as revenge. That just shows you that I over being upset with the shill and now I am just mad………you know what people do when they get mad – they get even.

  173. Bluegirl, I too was contacted with pretty much the same questions, but the survey company name is one I did not recognize. I interjected that I had been a Hillary supporter but am now 110% behind McCain/Palin when asked which candidate I was voting for. They also asked my educational level even to the point of asking if my educational level was beyond post graduate, which it is – so they now know that voters who supported Hillary and now McCain are not lacking in or low information people, lack IQ, or are uneducated. There was not a question about being bitter though, which I am and would have gladly revealed that to them.

  174. here’s a great quote the says it like it is about polls

    Statistics: The only science that enables different experts using the same figures to draw different conclusions.
    – Evan Esar

  175. The msm needs a smack, so who you gonna believe, a vietnam captor who tortured and terrorised american pow’s or the POW.

    Shame on MSM for even considering trying to take the captors side. Arrogant disgusting bastards.

  176. and there was one on nObama that I did not recognize the author
    =====
    My children belong to a children’s book of the month club, and once a month we get a catalog. A couple of months ago we got one with that book in it. There as no other book next to it, there is one My Dad John McCain, but at the time it was not with this book. And the description that stood out was “is on his way to being the first black president”, the description made it sound like his election was inevitable. I was livid. I did notice the next month one on John McCain was right next to it. I suppose they got complaints.

  177. # Lin67 Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 7:23 am

    Yes, I do believe for some it’s genetics but for many it’s choice. There is no way you can convince me that Lindsay Lohan is gay due to genetics.
    ===
    I have to agree with that. And Anne Hisch too, straight one day, gay the next, straight the next. That sounds like choice, not genetics.

    HillaryforTexas Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 am

    I don’t think that GLBT people are monolithic and all the same. I do believe that MOST are “born that way”.

    *****
    I can answer this – HillaryforTexas is right about sexual orientation being very complicated – and people often over-look that there are people who are bi as well (and that’s a vast spectrum – though if they are in same-sex relationships, from the outside it doesn’t seem to be, or even they themselves may not be aware, that they are bi). You have to have some innate/inborn capacity to be attracted to the same sex, and then other influences, environmental, family dynamics, personal preferences, can be factored in. It’s sort of like the Meyers Brigg. Unfortunately, scientists don’t do enough studies on people and the fluidity of sexual orientation, and GLBT organizations don’t want to touch the topic because it could undermine the political talking point that it’s not a choice. It IS inborn, and then there’s elements of choice and that’s complicated to explain. I always thought Lindsay Lohan had a quality to her that was probably bi.

  178. ShortTermer,

    I wish now I would have told her what I thought about Obama. It crossed my mind, but then I decided to just get the questions over with.

    Unknown caller came up on my caller ID.

  179. I have to confess that when I was looking at books in a WalMart fairly recently, I did the same thing to books about Obama, lol. I got the idea here from someone a while back that said he/she did the same thing.

    I pretended I was interested in looking at them, then when I put them back, I put them face in.

  180. Bluegirl – you’re hilarious. I know someone who does exactly the same thing with BO books – moves them or turns them face down.

  181. I must admit, the best thing i’ve seen someone do with Obama’s books is over the course of a week, moved most of them and keeps putting into the fiction section.

  182. I found that as far back as May of this year, that Hillary Clinton [although somewhere it was reported that she would have appointed Bill to Supreme Court] might be appointed as Supreme Court Justice. The rumor mill has it that there was a deal struck between Hillary Clinton and nObama that he would appoint her Supreme Court Justice if she and Bill would wholeheartedly throw their support behind him. Bill’s shilling for nObama yesterday in Florida seemed to bear that out – I was so shocked at how he now seemed to wholeheartedly support the shill. His last sentence shown on tv was…”…YOU HAD BETTER VOTE FOR HIM [nObama]. There were only 3,000 people reported to be in attendance and I had to laugh at that.

  183. Talking about books on Obama, at Target I saw a children’s adaptation of one of his books. There was a photo of him in high school in his basketball uniform going to the hoop for a lay in. The caption under it said that he was benched for complaining about not getting enough playing time.

    Sounds like his whole life has been about not being a team player and not interested in honing his skills.

    Indeed, he’s a “crap sandwich”.

  184. I also do it with magazines. It makes me sick just to see his arrogant mug or his wife’s stuck up face on the covers. 😉

  185. ShortTermer Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
    ===
    LMAO at the 3000 people. I hdan’t heard that. He might be taking some heat for all the nice things he’s been saying about McCain.

  186. Wow…I have definitely reached a new low!!!!

    I am so happy Alito and Roberts are on the SC….

    I cannot fathom what socialist Obamanation will be 2009-2012….

  187. Hi Folks:
    Today is a great day for our nation. Phil Berg, The peoples attroney, has won his court case. Obama has 3 days to produce a vault copy of his birth certificate. I know for a fact that this DOES NOT exist. That is the judge order. Click here to view the Judge order. I am thrill that Phil Berg has done something that no one else had the guts to do. Please go to his web site, ObamaCrimes and donate some money to him. He has worked to help all of us and now he has proved he can win, we must help him with some money.
    Do I hear a rush to New York for a replacement.
    Phil Berg is this nation greatest attroney and thank god he works for all of us little people. More to come. Join us tonight at 7 pm central for a update with Phil on the No Obama Talk show. Click here to listen live Ed Hale

  188. there is no supreme court deal

    do not believe that malarky

    come on

    that is bot bullshit

    last thing in the world she wants

    supreme court = masoleum

  189. Gallup is out, Obama down 1, McCain up one. Its like a 4 point spread. I hate for so much to be riding on Sarah tonight. At least half her answers won’t be on the proverbial cutting room floor. CBS(or ABC or NBC, I honestly don’t remember, they are all the same) is saying that unless she does good it will be over for McCain, he is losing ground because of her. Nice try.

  190. I think that the $200 million of fraudulent contributions can be a huge Republican 527 campaign…the point is – given Obama’s pattern of associations like Rezko, etc, do we want a criminal running this country- Nixon, anyone??

    ***
    re: Palin

    Drudge, which I can finally read again, has a link to politico with quotes like:
    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “Any mistake or gaffe by Palin could be fatal with a new poll finding voters are now questioning their commitment to Republican presidential candidate John McCain because of her.”

    ***
    which seems to be the new propaganda meme, that’s it’s all about Palin and if she fails tonight, it’s over for McCain. Seriously, remember every day or week during Hillary’s campaign, all of us were subjected to the psychological warfare coming from the press vis a vis the Obama campaign. I have no idea how the BO campaign does it, but it’s almost like a fascist regime where there’s a Dept of Propaganda. This is what makes me shiver to think if there’s a BO Presidency…we’ll have a whole dept of Axelrod of Evil acting like the equivalent of Goebbels.

  191. From Illinois’ “Capitol Fax” email/blog:
    thecapitolfaxblog.com/2008/10/02/it-aint-all-good-news-for-obama/
    It ain’t all good news for Obama

    Thursday, Oct 2, 2008

    * Recent battleground state tracking polls showed a big jump for Barack Obama. But a Democratic news outlet dumped a tanker truck of cold water on Obama’s presidential aspirations yesterday….

    In an unusually candid interview, a top official for the largest union backing Obama said that internal union polling shows that the race remains much more volatile and fluid in key battleground states than public polling suggests. He warned that low-information swing-state voters are saying they still don’t have a firm enough grasp on Obama’s life-story, character and record for the Illinois Senator to close the deal with them. […]

    “This election remains extremely volatile in the battlegrounds,” [AFL-CIO deputy political director Mike Podhorzer] told us. “The public polls are giving a false sense of precision about where the race is. That’s a story that’s not really being told.”

    Strikingly, Podhorzer said that his union’s internal polls — which push voters hard on the question of whether people are really firmly committed to their pick — show that as many as “15 to 20 percent” of battleground state voters remain “persuadable,” as he put it, despite what public polls say about the level of undecided voters.

    “There are more voters than you’d expect who are just starting to pay attention to the election,” he said. “And there’s a lot of room for people to go back and forth.” […]

    “Low information voters who haven’t been following this don’t know very much about Obama, in a way that might be different from other elections,” he said. “Voters are saying, `I really don’t want another four years of this, but I don’t know much about him.”

    * As if the uncertain polling, the Tony Rezko deals, machine endorsements, and his ties to people like Senate President Emil Jones and Gov. Blagojevich isn’t enough already, the FBI is now reportedly looking into one of Sen. Barack Obama’s bestest buddies…

    FBI agents met with Will County Auditor Stephen Weber for two hours Wednesday morning regarding an investigation the auditor initiated into a countywide office, the Tribune has learned. […]

    Sources say the investigation centers on Will County Executive Larry Walsh’s office. Walsh, who faces Joliet businessman Dan Kennison in the November election, was outraged by rumors that investigators were looking into whether one of his employees was improperly accepting payments from a lobbying firm hired by the county.

    Walsh, a Democrat, blamed the accusations on gutter politics. Weber is a Republican who also faces a November challenger, Democrat Kevin Duffy Blackburn.

    Walsh has been prominently featured in some of Obama’s TV ads during the presidential campaign.

    At 9:45 a.m., Chicago agent Joseph Basile and another man walked into the offices of Will County Auditor Steve Weber. They walked back out again just after 11 a.m. […]

    “If you are insinuating that [chief of staff Matt Ryan] is receiving some kind of monetary reimbursement from them, I find that totally preposterous,” Walsh said.

    The lobbying firm has secured quite a bit of federal funding for the county, including money to clean up and modernize the water and sewer system in Joliet Township’s Ridgewood neighborhood; to do engineering work at 143rd Street and Interstate 355; and to add laptop computers to the squad cars driven by Will County police. […]

    “I have never received one nickel of compensation from anyone, including Mr. Smith, since I have been a county employee,” Ryan said.

    Walsh is up for reelection, so this could just be a political game. But the timing isn’t just bad for Walsh, it’s bad for Obama.

    Please remember our rule forbidding the use of mindless DC talking points in the comment section. They’ll just be deleted anyway, so you might as well come up with something original to begin with. Thanks.

    – posted by Rich Miller

  192. debbie, it looks to me like that is the order that Berg prepared, but the judge has not ruled or signed it yet, from what I can tell.

  193. RD has a snarky post up about the sort of questions likely to be asked at the debate tonight. Here was my contribution:

    Governor Palin, you have been trotting your handicapped baby all over the country in an obvious and odious play for sentimental votes. Tell me, does this make you a shamefully bad mother, or merely a heartless cynic using her personal narrative for political gain? Do you view your child as a mere pawn to be used in your grasp for power? Which are you, an hard emotionless schemer or an unqualified sobbing basketcase ruled by your wimminly emotions?

    Senator Biden, please describe how being a single dad after the tragic loss of your beloved wife in a a heartbreaking auto accident caused by a (likely Republican) drunk driver has made you more sensitive and open to the needs of mothers and children. I have tissues for you should you get choked up in your usual manly and admirable way. Take your time.

  194. What the hell does this have to do with black women.

    outoftownnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/brilliant-ifill-cousin-scours-palin-as.html

    Thursday, October 2, 2008

    ‘Brilliant’ Ifill Cousin Scours Palin As ‘Offensive to Black Women’
    From Newbusters:

    Here are more signs Sarah Palin could face an uphill battle with PBS host Gwen Ifill. Professor Sherrilyn Ifill of the University of Maryland Law School, who Gwen Ifill has lauded as “my brilliant baby cousin,” has written that black women are not buying Sarah Palin’s “false claims to feminism” and is portrayed as too perfect: “when women who are privileged present as though they have it all together, it’s offensive to black women.”

    The Community Times, a suburban Maryland newspaper, found Professor Ifill was ardently opposed to the Alaska governor when they did an e-mail interview:

    “From the first day, Palin presented herself as shooting a bear in the morning, field dressing it, cooking up the breakfast, diapering the babies, passing legislation in the afternoon, cleaning the house, satisfying her husband, etc., etc., etc. And it’s just not true,” she wrote in an e-mail interview. “It’s hard to be an average working mom, really hard. And when women who are privileged present as though they have it all together, it’s offensive to black women.”

    Gwen definitely is not the person for the job tonite she does have a personal agenda.

  195. ShortTermer….this is my opinion and maybe Admin will shed some light but I cannot believe that Hillary would entertain any deal with Obama to go to the Supreme Court…

    Hillary is a leader…she can accomplish so much more as an individual than being sent to the supreme court dungeon…I have heard this rumor too, mostly from Obama supporters who are now trying to placate Hillary supporters, they ususally say something like, “I thought I did not like Hillary, but now I see how smart she is, I would love to see her on the Supreme Court”…

    they would love to see her out of the mix, out of competition…locked away in the towers somewhere…we say, no deal…forgetaboutit!

  196. I received an e-mail from Ed Hale
    Hi Folks:
    Today is a great day for our nation. Phil Berg, The peoples attroney, has won his court case. Obama has 3 days to produce a vault copy of his birth certificate. I know for a fact that this DOES NOT exist. That is the judge order. Click here to view the Judge order. I am thrill that Phil Berg has done something that no one else had the guts to do. Please go to his web site, ObamaCrimes and donate some money to him. He has worked to help all of us and now he has proved he can win, we must help him with some money.
    Do I hear a rush to New York for a replacement.
    Phil Berg is this nation greatest attroney and thank god he works for all of us little people.

    docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/

  197. debbie, I read on the Citizen Wells site this morning that Berg has said that it’s just an internet rumour. There’s no court response yet.

  198. marie, this is an unsigned order that is part of Berg’s petition package (don’t know the legal term). This is what Berg wants the Judge to sign. It does not mean he has signed it.

  199. And even if the judge does sign it, methinks the obama thugs will challenge/appeal until the cows come home. 😉

  200. And even if the judge does sign it, methinks the obama thugs will challenge/appeal until the cows come home.
    ——————————————-
    Yes but think of what a cloud it would cast on his candidacy.

    Politically, it would be huge.

  201. Edison was brilliant. Newton was brilliant. I am sorry but neither Eifel (as in tower) or her relative is brilliant. Just biased/

  202. debbie-let us hope your moment of elation was simply premature. Lets see if we get past the motion for dismissal first.

  203. wbboei,

    I am beginning to think that nothing that touches this idiot’s reputation will stop his droids from voting for him. He is the teflon candidate.

  204. Speaking of turning over books or rearranging them, I do the same thing at work. When I see the face of the 👿 one, I turn the magazine over, or throw in it the garbage. When I received the latest More magazine, I just threw it in the garbage, because it had the bitter one’s photo on the cover. Small things, but they give a little measure of pleasure.

  205. I am beginning to think that nothing that touches this idiot’s reputation will stop his droids from voting for him. He is the teflon candidate.
    ——————————————-
    I know Jan. And when I have those thoughts myself I say, that is what they want you to think we do not know what will happen tonight or in the future, and we do not know what disclosures will be forthcoming. The one thing I am sure of is obamas overt racism and elitism make him toxic to large portions of electorate and it is hard to govern in halcion times with half the country against you–and these are not halcion times. I still believe McCain will win regardless of what happens tonight and regardless of the polls. As I have said many times the good guys need to be rutheless and precise.

  206. Speaking of Obama drones, I work with a full fledged one, I met her yesterday and asked what she exactly like about OBAMA, she said ” he’s new, fresh, and hasn’t been in Washington for years”. What I noticed is the way she said it, she almost sang it, I am not kidding it was like she jumped to another dimension and her eyes glazed over. Of coarse, I knocked that song off her lips with “I am one of the 9 million Hillary supporters that are GOING to make sure he loses. She left in a huff, I did enjoy it though!

  207. My Obama sickness has now moved into the final stage. I’ve gone from rage, to frustration, and now I’m at utter dejection. 🙁

  208. It almost seems that the financial crisis was timed to help bambi. Didn’t he have a closed meeting with w and chenay right after he was elected to the senate. how often does that happen with a freshman?

  209. Lol Confloyd. Next time ask that Obamaite what Obama ever did for her before running for President. Can she name a single thing??? And I bet you can rattle off a few McCain has done. How about protecting the country and her freedom for starters. Waking up Congress to the epidemic of autism in our society for 2. Oh there is a whole long list.

  210. confloyd,

    “he’s new, fresh, and hasn’t been in Washington for years”. What I noticed is the way she said it, she almost sang it, I am not kidding it was like she jumped to another dimension and her eyes glazed over”
    *********
    so amazing to see this worship on seemingly normal people, but what is really weird, is when you see ‘former hillary advocates’, with stars in their eyes. once they go over to the dark side, they really lose it…

  211. Geez,

    He sounds like a bloody grocery product that is being advertised…new…fresh…

    I never thought I would hate someone so much. I am not a racist so I know that isn’t the reason. I would just be happy if he was never seen or heard from again…sigh.

  212. I never thought I would hate someone so much.

    Same here.

    I find the level of my hatred all most disturbing at times…and just when I do, he pulls a MO Truth Squad move, and I think, Fuck it. It’s more disturbing NOT to hate him.

    (sigh)

    At this point, I honestly just feel like I could cry. (and I NEVER cry)

  213. I never thought i’d ask this but does anyone know a good pro-McCain blog?

    I wanna check out their take on the ifel issue.

  214. Prepare to hate a little more.
    Just read on another blog that waffles has a satellite TV channel. I guess didh network carries it.

  215. well, idunn,
    this is pretty funny. 😉

    Well, I guess the McCain campaign really did get tough on the New York Times. Yesterday, leftist columnist Maureen Dowd was told she was no longer welcome on McCain’s campaign plane and had to go home with her tail between her legs. Tim McNulty of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette reports that Mo’s parting shot was a charge that because of this incident McCain is somehow against the First Amendment like she imagines Dick Cheney is.

    Rather amusingly, she was dumped in the middle of Pennsylvania, too. After an August 30 rally in Washington, PA, she was told she could not get back on the plane. The rest of the press corps loaded up and off they flew leaving poor Mo standing there in shock.

  216. # Idunn Says:
    October 2nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    We need some ***** humor in this joint today.

    Someone be funny.
    &&&&&&&&&

    The polls are “a joke”.

    Biden: “Vote for Barack America”.

    BO: “Can’t I just eat my waffles?”

    &&&&
    Is this (microphone) on???

    (crickets).

  217. basil, I can’t stomach most of the rightwing blogs, but one that is usually pretty reasonable and well-researched is

    h t t p : / / patriotroom.com/

    They are still definitely Repubs, but reading there can give you an idea of the gameplan and thoughts of the Repub camp.

  218. Henry:

    almost seems that the financial crisis was timed to help bambi. Didn’t he have a closed meeting with w and chenay right after he was elected to the senate. how often does that happen with a freshman?
    ———

    I wrote this earlier yesterday on THIS THREAD::::but I think Obama probably knew both sides who wanted hillary or any other dem out…..
    ——
    I believe all this crisis is a conspiracy theory: This is based on my observation of all events happening since 2006.

    ——

    This “wall street crisis” was planned by somebody to occur 5-6 weeks before the presidential election….

    Along the way, insiders in each dem candidate’s were moles studying this crisis issue in detail….

    Remember Edwards investment in hedge funds and working for them to learn about the markets.

    Obama’s confidence all the way along

    Hillary warning about the mortgage crisis at the base level but like most people did not know the full implication on the “wall street crisis”

    Lack of oversight since dems took over on fannie/freddie and banking via Dodd and franks….

    Call me cynical…but that is what I am today…

    —–

  219. Speaking of Obama drones, I work with a full fledged one, I met her yesterday and asked what she exactly like about OBAMA, she said ” he’s new, fresh, and hasn’t been in Washington for years”. What I noticed is the way she said it, she almost sang it, I am not kidding it was like she jumped to another dimension and her eyes glazed over. Of coarse, I knocked that song off her lips with “I am one of the 9 million Hillary supporters that are GOING to make sure he loses. She left in a huff, I did enjoy it though!
    ——————————————–
    hi confloyd: like Jimmy Carter–except Carter had executive experience.

    Ask this delusional bot whether she would apply the same criterion in selecting a neurosurgeon–because both jobs involve life or death issues. Without realizing it she has put her finger on one of his five greatest weaknesses–and she is dumb enough to think it is a positive. Then remind her that he is a cog in the most corrupt political machine in the country. You might walk her through a little of that–some of bmerry’s stuff.

  220. Maureen Dowd left stranded in PA? I wonder how much the cab fare back to NYC was?

    MoDO “I don’t have much cash. Would you take a check?”

    Cabbie: “Sorry, ma’am, you’ll have to get out…unless you’re willing to do me a “favor”.”

  221. I’ll be funny….

    —–
    “Wall st” will be moving to chicago…..and join the chicago mercantile……concentration of radicals in that state…

  222. I’ll be funny….

    —–
    “Wall st” will be moving to chicago…..and join the chicago mercantile……concentration of radicals in that state…

  223. what was MoDo doing covering McCain anyhow? Was it “opposition research”?

    Isn’t her “commentary” now officially propaganda?

  224. Mo’s parting shot was a charge that because of this incident McCain is somehow against the First Amendment like she imagines Dick Cheney is.
    ——————————————-
    Good old dodo deusional as always. Since she is suddenly so concerned about the first amendment maybe she should do an objective column on the truth sqaud in Missouri–using state prosecutors to suppress First Amendment rights. Oooops-she cannot ever be objective.

  225. Remember when donna said she was “keeping” all of our emails. What the hell was that supposed to mean?

  226. If NY times are so smart how come they did not predict this wall st debacle down their street..I guess too busying climbing the ladder…

  227. Idunn, I know it seems hard to be positive, but think:

    With all the heft of the media pulling for Waffles for 20 some months, in this environment favoring Dems:

    a) ten days ago he had fallen behind McCain
    b) he was temporarily bouyed over McCain by the fake Wall St. “crisis” and bailout issue
    c) his temporary bump from a few days ago is settling back down to a close race
    d) the Obama Effect = 2 x (Bradley Effect)
    e) Berg suit
    f) Rezko warming up for his aria, with Patrick Fitzgerald conducting the Chicago Penal Symphony Orchestra, for their production of “Obama Mio”.

    Come on, this is kind of fun.

  228. I stopped reading the NY Times months ago, I was still doing the puzzle but then bambi started showing up in there. Canceled my subscription.

  229. Love it.

    Barack Obambi rolled up into Grand Rapids speaking and sounding like a lot of hot air. At the same time Larry Sinclair arrived with a megaphone.

    80 percent of the crowd were college students with a smattering of folks in suits and some black folk. Well all of a sudden a tall big white kid asks Larry if he would like to give his view out over the airwaves. He hands Larry the cell phone and Larry starts to conduct an interview with the most popular radio station in Grand Rapids. 104.5 WSNX.

    Then the Grand Rapid Police came by and informed Larry very professionally that he could not use his nuclear powered megaphone. As they were doing this, Larry is STILL GETTING INTERVIEW. So, after promising the officers that he would not use it anymore, and being told that he could of course use his mouth, well Larry complied, and continued to yell out challenged to Obama.

    Then the interview started again, and on it went. Needless to say more people heard Larry Sinclair in Grand Rapids today, than obambi. The interview went on for more than 2 hours, maybe between stops and starts and changing dieing cellphones possibly 3 hours.

    The entire obama event was rendered a big zero, as all the young people will be talking about the Larry Sinclair Mega Interview in GR.

    Oh and since it was also going out over the internet, well, poor obambi just wasted his time…..which is nothing out of the ordinary for him.

  230. It almost seems that the financial crisis was timed to help bambi. Didn’t he have a closed meeting with w and chenay right after he was elected to the senate. how often does that happen with a freshman?
    ========
    It definitely was Henry, can we say October surprise? ANd do you know how we know? How much has the down fallen today? alot. And that was with the passing in the senate. And any bill passed won’t take effect until January after the new pres is sworn in. There was a repub senator talking saying it didn’t matter, all this bill did was put off the inevitable and hang us with more debt. One day we will have to pay the piper, all we did was postpone it. So tell me what the heck was the rush about? Paulson is a dem tight with Reid. I do think my friends that we have just been suckered.

    Then you have somebody calling 5 local banks in Northern Michigan and saying do you have funds to loan money? And they say yes, as long as you have the down payment for the house or car, as long as you meet the requirements, as back in the old days before we made it way to easy to get these big price items, you can get a loan. I tell you if my senator voted for this thing, rather he’s a dem or repub, I am voting against him.

  231. I just took an overview of news regarding Sarah Palin and except for a handful on the MSM…the rest is hysterical, shrill “hoping for failure” from the media.

    This is like last time before her speech at the Republican convention..nothing but negativity and low expectations from elite MSM.

    I don’t get that from the voters or poster…they said they still like Palin and going to vote McCain/Palin come November. Even her opponents in Alaska says “underestimate Palin at your own peril.”

  232. carbynew,

    the bots are infiltrating everywhere. I was just on you tube and the top 5 videos “now being watched” were predominately anti-Palin ones.

  233. Mo’s parting shot was a charge that because of this incident McCain is somehow against the First Amendment like she imagines Dick Cheney is.
    ===
    LOL! Guess she didn’t hear about Missouri. McCain has nothing on the first amendment like her Lord Obama does.

  234. ——-
    And House Democratic leaders circulated data Thursday showing precisely which states benefit most from an extension of a tax break for homeowners who do not itemize their tax returns. Texas, Florida, California and Pennsylvania ranked among the highest. They hope the measure will bring support from black lawmakers, many of whom voted “no” earlier this week, among others.

    —–

    anything to get those on board!!!!

  235. Maurenn Dowd deserved to get “kicked” off the bus.

    Maureen Dowd Gets Booted from Mccain’s Plane
    By Wendy Sullivan

    Maureen Dowd, maven columnist for the New York Times, has been disinvited from the John McCain Straight Talk American Tour 2008. After an August 30 McCain-Palin rally in Pennsylvania where Mo described Palin as “an underqualified candidate in go-go boots“, she was not permitted back on the McCain plane.

    Dowd retorts “I didn’t think John McCain would ever be as dismissive of the First Amendment as Dick Cheney.” Bitter, yes. But as McCain is not yet president of the United States, he and Palin really do not have to put up with Dowd’s abuse. If he becomes president, then he has to live with the likes of Dowd and Helen Thomas and the rest of the mainstream media. For the time being, though, it’s still John McCain’s plane, to share with whomever he so chooses.

    However, I do worry that by stifling Dowd, his reputation will only suffer further with the press, and that’s the last he needs to deal with a month from the election.

    http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2148

  236. I really jope that McCain wins for the pure and simple joy of watching so many collectice journalists shit themselves en masse when they realise they are going to be shut out for 4 years.

  237. Idunn, hang in there. I don’t know how this will end but I know this: he is like Kerry, Gore, and others who came before him who did not try to appeal to middle America and they all lost. On top of it, he played a risky all or nothing game in the primary that he has lost a large chunk of the Dem electorate. Where are the new voters to bump him up beyond a Kerry or a Gore?
    Loyal Dems who would vote for a Dem monkey (check)
    Dems who are not pleased with the primary shenanigans (not so much)
    Reagan Dems (not so much)
    New young first time voters (check)
    Independents (not so much)
    Republicans (not so much)

    He has chipped away a good sized Dem block and trying to replace it with the young and AA. On the other hand, Repubs as a whole are more enthused by their ticket and Indies are going to break for them as well.

  238. ((((Moon)))) ~ I love you, Honey! That was a total shot in the arm for me right now.

    Someone please find video! 🙂

    Hugs to (((RGB))) too.

  239. Of course the local banks and credit unions have money…they did not risk and provide stupid loans in the first place…

    This move in Wall street was for 3 reasons in my opinion:

    – overseas allies and investors lack of confidence in the next US president hence removing their investment from the US.
    – Rich folks speculating on those mortgage based securities
    – A deliberate action with the global financial markets to deploy this 4-6 weeks before the election….

    I say this because I do speculate on market on a very small basis and for the last 3 years I also did “research and interviews” as a mystery shopper at many bank branches….2 of these major banks are no longer in business and have collaped in the last few months.

    It was amazing what the normal advisor at the banks would tell us privately…and I still cannot understand how their management did not know this…

  240. I think we should all ask our own rep and senators how much they have personally lost in the last 2 yrs…

    One more thing, if I remember rightly, Biden never had much in savings ???

    anybody know this????

    After his 35 yrs, he would know about this stuff!!!

  241. October 02, 2008
    Categories: Michigan

    McCain pulling out of Michigan

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

    McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

    McCain’s campaign didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain’s past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

    McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

    But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

    A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.

    By Jonathan Martin 01:44 PM
    politico

  242. All the Palin bashing going on in the media…look at it this way. If Sarah Palin wasn’t such a threat Obama would not be going after her in this way.

    Sarah Palin is a threat to the Party dominance with Women voters and their worldview of how Women think. The problem is that when you hear or listen to Sarah Palin with unbiased ears you find her very relatable and like her “common sense” thinking.

    Majority of American of “all walks of life” have more in common with Sarah Palin then with Barack Obama.

  243. One Brilliant Harvard Law School Grad Grills Another… [Victor Davis Hanson]

    From the 2005 Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac hearings, which sort of sums up the entire mess we are in:

    Rep. Frank: Let me ask [George] Gould and [Franklin] Raines on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, do you feel that over the past years you have been substantially under-regulated?

    Mr. Raines?

    Mr. Raines: No, sir.

    Mr. Frank: Mr. Gould?

    Mr. Gould: No, sir. . . .

    Mr. Frank: OK. Then I am not entirely sure why we are here. . . .

  244. If this bill is not going to take effect until Jan., what was the big rush? Is money going to be infused into the economy, now, or in Jan. Was this just a ploy to favor the dims?

  245. I agree carbynew. They are trying to set the verdict before the debate has even begun. Let the spin begin already. She still makes them nervous. she should. They aren’t going to be able to rearange her answers.

  246. I don’t know, but I heard january, after the new pres is sworn in. Confidence is the purpose they said. Pass it now so confidence will go up and the market will go up. But I don’t see the market going up yet.

  247. If this bill is not going to take effect until Jan., what was the big rush? Is money going to be infused into the economy, now, or in Jan. Was this just a ploy to favor the dims?

    —-
    Actually the bill is in 3 parts…if it passes

    $250 billion immediately
    $100 billion at any presidential executive (current of the next)
    $350 billion..subject to congressional review/15 day window etc…

    so it could be used as needed over the next troubled months…

  248. Another evidence of the big boys hands….I am sure Bill Gates involved here…

    In the wake of Congress’s failure to pass the bailout bill on Monday, Microsoft did something it’s never done before. It lobbied over a financial bill. But was it too little too late?

    My guest Paul Kedrosky says big companies like Microsoft misplayed their hands by assuming the House of Representatives had all the votes they needed to pass the bill, and the market suffered as a result. Here’s why they need to speak up now and keep speaking up.
    —–

    -Bill Gates and Warren Buffet both pushing for the bill….
    Warren Buffet’s big inheritance endowment to Bill/Melinda Gates foundation….as berkshire hathaway shares…..

    both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet as OBAMA supporters!!!!!

  249. henry:

    No to my knowledge…but the bill does say it goes to the sec. of treasury and the guidelines/restriction for its use in the bill…not for anything else…

  250. Idunn Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    I might have to take a break from all this.

    Honestly, it’s all starting to affect me negatively.

    * * * * * *
    Me, too, Idunn. Hang in there…

  251. wbboei : Always enjoy your wisdom and eloquent clear way you provide it to old guys like me trying to stay in tune and up to date on all things so important to getting the truth out about THE HUSTLER.You say Teflon coated and I say Slime covered.Both are an accurate description of this threat to our future and our democracy.

    Thanks for your inspiring words and comments ABM90

  252. Moving very close to voting a straight R ticket in November. We are being gamed and have been since the onset. I have no allegiance to a corrupt party that has manipulated and abused the democratic process. F**k them.

  253. Not too worried about McCain leaving Michigan. How many states does it make now that the fraud has given up on??? 😉

  254. A little american fairy tale from me….

    —-

    Once there was conflict in the north and south…liberal northern republicans and south conservative south…

    But now the conflict is between the east to the west…..
    there came the frontier woman from the westest state!!!!

  255. mp Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks. That is what I thought.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    henry Says:

    October 2nd, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    Moving very close to voting a straight R ticket in November

    Me too. 🙁

  256. This has nothing to do with the “market”…it has to do with the credit market and their tightening of money. Loans are still getting done, students are still getting loans and cars are still selling but everyone is not able to get these loans.

    In my opinion, the Democrat version of the Paulson bill was a straight attempt to socialize the BIG BANKS but the republicans and some democrats didn’t like what was going on.

    We always get in trouble when we try to rush things without going thru the process. I think this bill could have been held back after the election but then it wouldn’t have helped Obama. It still might not help him…Obama is still sinking in the polls, while McCain is rising.

    That’s why the Media is such a hatefess on Palin today, because if she comes off like she did at the Convention…Sarah Palin is here to stay no matter what happens this November. She will be a STAR on the political scene that is just as valid as Hillary Clinton is to the progressives.

    She will only get better and will be taken seriously by more people….right now her strength is in the male voter and she still in the mid 40’s with female voters…That’s huge for someone who was little heard of a few weeks ago.

    I’m glad Palin is on the scene she gives another valid point of view that needed to be heard from Women. It brings balance when multiple views are heard.

    After what the Democratic Taliban Party pulled this year, I’m looking at other avenues to get my information. And seeing what they did to Hillary Clinton and now Palin, I Don’t Trust the Democrats at all to look after my issues, they will turn on you on a dime.

    Women Issues for the Democrats are defined as Roe vs Wade only…their willing to give up on that because men don’t want to pay for children they don’t want.

  257. just heard pelosi on radio and she’s not committing to a house passage of the bill.

    wtf is going on?

    And how the heck can michigan go dem aftger what BO did to them?

  258. Creaming the the American dream:

    One on the cusp of the American dream while the dreams of masses got creamed!

  259. Well i think the Michigan thing is bunk, look.

    McCain Bus Coming to Michigan

    Adrian (WWJ\AP) — While Republican presidential nominee John McCain won’t be in Michigan Thursday–his brother will.

    Joe McCain and other GOP supporters will be on a bus tour that’s scheduled to stop at Adrian College at 11 a.m. The bus made a stop Wednesday in Toledo.

  260. Okay maybe I am just getting paranoid, but everyday something else comes out that scares the shite out of me. An Obama Channel? Hollywood executives and power players getting thier kids to sing for waffles.
    I just keep remembering what I heard shortly after 9/11– we will destroy America from within.
    I think that is what is happenning. Anyone else feel this way?

  261. I’ve been reading this site for 2 months now and I love it. Was very worried on Monday and Tuesday when there was nothing new on it, glad to see the new info.

  262. just keep remembering what I heard shortly after 9/11– we will destroy America from within.
    I think that is what is happenning. Anyone else feel this way?

    yes…

  263. Seriously, if Americans get suckered into an Obama Presidency then quite frankly people, they deserve it and it will be man the lifeboats, get out while you can.

  264. Michigan is up 5 or 6, and BO is still below 50%, but McCain probably figures Ohio, PA, and Fl are more important. A repub needs those to win, so he is probably going to pour everything into those states. I think its still possible he could win Mi, but if he pulls out too I would think it might be laxer with the voter fraud if they think there isn’t a chance they can lose there.

  265. Idunn, Myself, and others.

    As Senator Clinton said: “Never give up and never give in.”

    I believe Senator Clinton is fighting in her own way.

  266. Detroit is the problem, that will just be dead voters galore.

    McCain needs to put all the election obeservers he needs into places like, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh where Obama will try and rack up dodgy voters.

  267. just keep remembering what I heard shortly after 9/11– we will destroy America from within.
    I think that is what is happenning. Anyone else feel this way?

    yes…
    ====
    I am too, especially all this stuff I am reading on this man. I dont’ understand how Americans can elect a man endorsed by terrorists, but that’s exactly what they are doing.

  268. If Obama wins, i am staying put, i can and will work wherever i want but i will refuse to live under Obama’s reach.

  269. Moononpluto
    to my knowledge it is very difficult to get a work visa as an American without sponsorship who cannot offer a unique skill to the host country.
    Else I’d have left when GWB took over.

  270. Okay.

    The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…The fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win…the fraud is not going to win!!!

    There I feel much better! 🙂

  271. Manion running an ad against Patrick Murphy in PA 8th tying him to Charlie Rangle gave Murphy $14,000 and Murphy voted to give money to Rangle’s library.

  272. Nothing against Palin but she reminds me of the women who ran Human Resources in every company I have ever worked for.

  273. Ok everyone, i am going to stop reading this board if all this negative talk keeps going on. You are sending out bad vibes.

    We need to start thinking POSITIVE. O is not going to WIN

  274. moon,

    here’s the article from the trail. JM is pulling out. his campaign has concluded it’s a lost cause.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/02/mccain_pulls_out_of_michigan.html

  275. ‘we will destroy America from within.
    I think that is what is happenning. Anyone else feel this way?’

    i agree.

    neetabug,

    It’s not bad vibes, imho, it’s not shrinking from the truth. why is jm bailing on michigan?

  276. henry, LMAO!
    “Nothing against Palin but she reminds me of the women who ran Human Resources in every company I have ever worked for.”

    I interviewed 3 of them in the past week and you’re absolutely right.

    tee hee.

  277. ok, trying not to sound negative but if JM has anything on BO the time to use it has nearly passed.

    Anything that comes out now is gonna be regarded as desperation and dirty tricks.

  278. basil,

    I personally think it is never too late to throw the kitchen sink at the twit. I hope it starts coming soon and doesn’t let up until doomsday!

  279. moonpluto,

    you’re the poll pundit.

    what do you think of this article on polls? it’s the 6th article down.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/

  280. ok, trying not to sound negative but if JM has anything on BO the time to use it has nearly passed.

    Anything that comes out now is gonna be regarded as desperation and dirty tricks
    ———————————————-
    That all depends on what it is. There are things that suck all the oxygen out of the room and the later they come out the better–scandals, etc. If they have something like that, I think that is how they will play it. Conventional wisdom says make your strongest case early because once people make up their minds it is hard to change them. However, the rules are different when you are running against a corrupt candidate and a corrupt media that are heavily invested in him.

  281. Saying a huge prayer that Palin knocks the debate out of the ballgame tonight! Saying an even bigger prayer that Biden crashes and burns!

  282. basil,

    maybe delayed because of everything happening in the economy right now? Or maybe they want to pull a huge whammy/rabbit out of the hat closer to the election so that Obama can’t make a comeback? 🙂

  283. i just heard JM is pulling all staff outta michigan.

    not a good sign.
    ——————————————–
    A great sign if he is sure he cannot win it. That is the way an army wins wars. Withdraw resources where they are wasted and concentrate them where they will be effective. It may be a ruse, but if it is not, then it makes strategic and tactical sense same as kicking modo off the plane.

  284. more on ifill’s bias;

    ‘Brilliant’ Ifill Cousin Scours Palin As ‘Offensive to Black Women’
    Newsbusters ^ | October 2, 2008 | Tim Graham

    Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:07:23 PM

    Here are more signs Sarah Palin could face an uphill battle with PBS host Gwen Ifill. Professor Sherrilyn Ifill of the University of Maryland Law School, whom Gwen Ifill has lauded as “my brilliant baby cousin,” has written that black women are not buying Sarah Palin’s “false claims to feminism” and is portrayed as too perfect: “when women who are privileged present as though they have it all together, it’s offensive to black women.” (Photo from Soros.com)

  285. Idunn wanted some laughs:

    Here are some NQ posters lamenting their strained romantic and familial relationships since BO got the nod.

    I hope JM has set money aside for obotomy reversals once he wins the GE.

    👿

    …..Yeah…I’m on barely cordial speaking terms with my own mother who has drunk the koolaid and swallowed the cracker guilt fear pill

    …..My adult nephew rents a suite in my house…I suspect he’s an orange Kool-Aid Cheeto-eater because he has all the BO talking points memorized. I’d throw him the hell out of the house but he’s sick and I need the rent he pays me.

    ….When I meet a guy, I have to ask if he is an Obama supporter. Nip it in the bud right away.

    ….I refuse to date a man that supports Obama.

    ….My Fiance is a rabid Bambi supporter. Thankfully he is on the campaign trail until election day or we would kill each other

    …..My brother in law is a classic middle aged white guilt voter. Doesn’t pay attention. Doesn’t know what the hell 0bama stands for but is voting for the “Democrat.”

    …..I am ready to end most of my relationships with friends who have proven themselves to be idiots

  286. We need to protect EVERYONE who practices gay lifestyle, not just those who can claim some sort of ‘inborn’ thing. Even if a woman lived straight and had many children and by every possible test was straight, if she suddenly DECIDES to CHOOSE to live with another woman, they deserve the SAME protection. (Same for men of course.)

    No one should have to pass a genetic test to live gay!

  287. confloyd Says: Speaking of Obama drones, I work with a full fledged one, I met her yesterday and asked what she exactly like about OBAMA, she said ” he’s new, fresh, and hasn’t been in Washington for years”.

    ============

    But that fits Palin even better!

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