Barack Obama, The One, The One Truth, The Intimidation, The Thug

We’ll put in context the latest Rezko news tomorrow. Sometime this week we’ll give some advice to Governor Sarah Palin regarding this week’s debate. This Sunday however, we will have a not so metaphysical discussion about the truth.

Yesterday, regarding this past Friday’s debate (which was pretty much of a bust as to numbers of viewers) we began to document just a very tiny few of Obama’s mistruths, distortions, and lies. Yesterday’s Obama Bin Lyin’, Again was a sort of follow up to our earlier Obama Bin Lyin’ in which we documented Obama’s attempts to hide even the most basic information about himself (more on this tomorrow).

We did not, in yesterday’s discussion, refer to “the bracelet incident” at the debate. We concentrated on Obama’s continuing lies about what he has said about ‘Pahkissthann” and other important issues of war and peace.

We did not write about it, but we thought Obama’s “bracelet” answer was canned and prepared by his Chicago thugs because they knew John McCain has a compelling story about a soldier and a bracelet McCain relates at campaign events and therefore the Chicago thugs had to provide Obama with something/anything to try to steal McCain’s thunder.

But it turns out “the bracelet incident” is yet another slimy Obama revealing “truth” and today we want to discuss “truth” and throw in a little Missouri.

Here is the ABC News account of “the bracelet incident”:

During Friday night’s presidential debate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., mentioned the moment when the mother of a fallen soldier gave him a hero bracelet bearing her son’s name, Matthew Stanley. [snip]

Sen. Obama responded saying, “I’ve got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant – from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek, given to me in Green Bay. [snip]

In February 2008, Ryan’s mother Tracy and his sister Jessica traveled to Green Bay and waited in the cold for 45 minutes to give Obama her son’s bracelet. A campaign staffer arranged it so they could meet him.

“I didn’t get to say what I wanted to say. I just cried,” Tracy Jopek told the newspaper. “It wasn’t for anything but for him to know this is real, something he needed to know. . . I do believe (the war) needs to end, but I believe it needs to be done very carefully and very thoughtfully.” [snip]

But a month later, Ryan’s father Brian — who is no longer married to Tracy — told Wisconsin Public Radio that his ex-wife had misgivings about Obama wearing the bracelet and mentioning their son on the campaign trail. It seems as though just as Tracy Jopek supports Obama and wants to end the war, Brian Jopek has a different take on what should happen in Iraq and may be more inclined to support McCain.

After pointing out that he and Tracy are not married anymore, Brian says that “from what I understood from email exchanges with Tracy….she wanted to put a name, she wanted Sen. Obama to know Ryan’s name…She wasn’t looking to turn it into a big media event…She just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself.” [snip]

She had told me that in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet anymore at any of his public appearances.”

Conservatives are now criticizing Obama for exploiting a fallen soldier whose mother has asked him to stop wearing the bracelet or mentioning her son’s name. I’m not sure what the reality is behind this story — I have a call into the Obama campaign and Tracy Jopek to find out more about this story, and will let you know what they say.

[Radio interview HERE]

Tracey Jopek wanted Obama to know Ryan Jopek’s name. Obama could not remember the name at the debate until he looked at the bracelet. The Jopek’s, at the very least one of the Jopeks, don’t want Obama to use Ryan Jopek’s memory for campaign purposes – Obama doesn’t care and continues to exploit Ryan Jopek for political advantage.

Put aside for a moment Obama not remembering Ryan Jopek’s name. Put aside for a moment Big Media protecting Obama on “the bracelet incident”. Put aside Obama clearly ignoring the wishes of the father of Ryan Jopek. What is the truth about this story? Is the mother of Ryan Jopek, not only the father, also clearly asking Obama to cease and desist exploiting her son? Jake Tapper of ABC News wrote I’m not sure what the reality is behind this story.

To us it seems fairly clear that at least one parent of Ryan Jopek does not want Obama to exploit Ryan Jopek’s death. What if a veteran’s group then, decided to do an advertisement attacking Barack Obama’s lack of character for exploiting Ryan Jopek’s death. What then?

Well, in Missouri, you would be in trouble. The Chicago thugs have gone MO.


In the Orwellian world of Big Blogs and Big Media, Obama’s Truth must become THE truth. Obama is “The One” according to Oprah and Big Blog boobs. Now, we have The One Truth, the only truth, the Obama Truth.

St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch are the MO enforcers of The One Truth. They threaten to bring libel charges against those who dare take The One in vain.

Poor Big Pink. In Missouri we would be carted off to the Obama Detention Center.

Maybe, sitting in our Pink garb in our dank grey cell at the Obama Detention Center – as we await re-education to become one with The One’s Truth – we would appeal to Governor Blunt of Missouri. The Governor would doubtless help us, if he does not go “re-education” himself.

Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

JEFFERSON CITY – Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”

Governor Blunt should have left out the “conservative” portion of his otherwise fine statement. Dear Governor Blunt, we are Democrats, mostly real Pinko, yet true Blue, yellow-dog type, progressive, believe in democracy Democrats. But we are not Obama Dimocrats. We are not conservatives politically or otherwise but we too are targets of the Chicago Thug Intimidation Machine.

Governor Blunt, understand that Obama wants to intimidate. The old FDR truth of we have nothing to fear but fear itself is turned on its head by Obama and his Chicago thugs. For Obama the purpose is fear, intimidation, the chilling effect.

Obama thugs threatened riots in Denver if The One was not chosen. Obama thugs intimidate critics and non-supporters by branding them “racists”. African-American Hillary Clinton supporters were threatened for daring to challenge the annointment of The One. (When Obama is called “The One” that too is somehow a slur, a dog-whistle to Book of Revelations’ fundamentalists.) No criticism of Obama, Governor Blunt, is to be tolerated. The Cult of The One will not allow it and intimidation is the key. Do not abandon us Pinkos Governor Blunt.

Obama has threatened radio stations and television broadcasters with lawsuits already. Obama has urged his apostles to engage in “get in their face” politics. Obama has organized tens of thousands of his followers to threaten broadcasters for airing advertisments he does not like.

Obama will intimidate in order to silence.

Can libel charges, or the threat of libel charges, be used to chill free speech? You bet they can. Barack Obama’s latest tactics are all-too-reminiscent of Britain’s libel tourism phenomenon, and of related efforts to use British libel law to censor political speech. [snip]

Can it happen here? Thanks to the Obama campaign, it already is happening. And don’t think American libel law, so much less plaintiff-friendly than British libel law, gives us a free pass. At the counterterrorism blog, Jeffrey Breinholt explains how even American libel laws can be used to intimidate and silence speech. As I point out in “Not Without a Fight,” what really protects free speech here in the United States is the value we place upon it, and the shame we would feel handling criticism by way of law suits. When it comes to silencing critics, on the other hand, the Obama campaign appears to have no shame. That augers poorly for the culture of free exchange. As Tocqueville reminds us, habits of the heart, even more than the law itself, stand as our most important protections against tyranny. If Obama continues to break one free-speech taboo after another, the law will surely follow.

So continued media silence on Obama’s intimidation tactics threatens not only the fairness of this election, but press freedom itself. Yet to defend the freedom of the right as if it were their own is something our left-leaning press has forgotten how to do.

The purpose for Obama is intimidation. Today, Obama intimidates those who oppose him. Eventually Obama will turn on his supporters and friends too.

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Obama cannot be trusted with our civil liberties. Obama just can’t be trusted. And that’s the truth.

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816 thoughts on “Barack Obama, The One, The One Truth, The Intimidation, The Thug

  1. Thanks Admin for another thought provoking post.

    Repost from downstairs:
    I have been 110% for the Bill and Hill, but I do not think that my good opinion of them can withstand 30+ more days of them kissing nObama’s a$$! Each as individuals and both coupled have gone FAR above and beyond the pale of adequately supporting the party’s selected nominee.They are smarter than that. I have excused them so far by knowing that they are under duress, but it is time they either be quiet and unavailable on the BO subject or they put country before party. There is an alphabetical list of people and actions that anyone with half a brain would see as nObama taking this country down the tubes; we will become a police state and our youngest children will be marching in Farrankan’s army if nObama steals this general election. I am very afraid and feel so hopeless and helpless even though I have worked, keyed, and talked myself blue in the face trying to work against the selection of nObama.

    Please Hill and Bill, give us a little Country First for a change.

  2. Barack Obama has no shame. how can he accuse Mccain of taking “a ‘Katrina Like’ Response to the Bailout Bill when McCain suspened his campaign and went to Washington to deal with that bill.

    Obama Slams McCain for a ‘Katrina Like’ Response to the Bailout Bill
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    Share September 28, 2008 4:03 PM

    ABC News’ John Berman, Ursula Fahy, Matt Jaffe and Sunlen Miller Report: The Obama-Biden ticket brought out their wives for a rally in Detroit before 35,000 people this Sunday afternoon.

    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., spoke about the economic bailout bill’s progress, giving bipartisan credit for being close to passing a plan.

    “Thanks to the hard work of Democrats and Republicans, it looks like we have a rescue plan that includes these taxpayer protections. It looks like we will pass that plan very soon.”

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/obama-slams-mcc.html

  3. Admin, I left a voice message for the Jopek’s and gave them my phone number and email address. I said I was very sorry how their son’s bracelet has been used, that I am an Independent voter in Florida, and would like to ask their permission to proudly wear a bracelet with their son’s name to honor them and him. I asked them to either call me or send me an email confirming the permission. I thought this might be the least that I could do for a fallen hero.

  4. ROTFLMAO at some of your comments, Admin, especially this:

    “Maybe, sitting in our Pink garb in our dank grey cell at the Obama Detention Center – as we await re-education to become one with The One’s Truth – we would appeal to Governor Blunt of Missouri. The Governor would doubtless help us, if he does not go to re-education himself.”

    Can I be your cellmate? 😉

    Seriously, though, you have brilliantly depicted the 1984’ish Hitler/Mussolini/Big Brother style Bo politics and it scares the cr@p outta me.

  5. Admin,

    We should no longer just say No Obama in November. We should be chanting No Obama Ever! He needs to get off our planet and go be his destructive self somewhere else!

  6. Admin and all Iron Jawed Angels one of my favorite sayings [author unknown],

    “A good friend will come bail you out of jail
    But a true friend will be sitting there beside you in the cell, saying, “D@mn, that was fun!”

    And a talented friend would be sitting next to you writing a song about, “Here we are in the Birmingham Jail”, scratch that…in nObama’s Detention Center.

  7. Admin, another great post. I laughed at the same line as Basil. I could just imagine all of us, sitting in a dank cell, with our pink garb on. But, seriously, these actions are direct attacks against our civil rights and civil liberties.

  8. Great job Admin, as always. I like the song about the Detention Center shortTermer. I honestly hope that only obamabots will fall for that crap about another Katrina. While McCain is getting the job done in washington Obama says call me. Actions louder than words and all that.

  9. On a horrible note, if Obama gets elected we could be on to a path of police state and a civil war like never before, Obama is that dangerous.

  10. ShortTermer Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    how did you get their email?
    ********************************************

    Great post, as usual Admin, who ever you are.

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  12. One more thing he did in the debate…

    “My father applying in 1959-60 to colleges in America since he looked up to america”

    His father stayed about 46 six yrs and the went back home to his manny wives…1966 etc…

    So this NDP was thinking that in 1960 a black man from Africa was proud to be in the country where “his Brothers – African Americans” went thru selma cilvil rights after he came here and did not say thing…but was proud of the america then…

    so since his father went back, since then America is nnot something to look up to…he basically said all presidents since 1966 have been awful!!!!!
    including Carter!!!

    once again his fixati on on his father!!!

  13. gonzotx and Admin,
    I just got a heard back from Tracey Jopek and she said she would give her permission and would be honored if I wore a bracelet with her son’s name on it. She was very nice. I told her that my oldest son had been in the Persian Gulf and that my mother’s heart went out to her [she said its hard for mtohers isn’t it] when I saw the debate and the bracelet part where Obama could not even remember the child’s name. I was totally surprised at her answer; she said that she thought Obama was dumbfounded when McCain brought up the bracelet thing and stumbled on the name because of his hesitation and that she was proud for Obama to wear her son’s name bracelet. I told her I was not an Obama fan and she said that did not matter that she would be honored if I wore her son’s name on a bracelet. I thanked her and said that I would, and that she could call me if there was even the smallest little way I could be of help. So, I will wear Ryan David Jopek on a bracelet and be proud to do so, maybe I will wear a Stanley one too.

  14. Anyone wonder where Senator Clinton is on this?

    Not particularly. Frankly, the less I hear from Senator Clinton right now, the better.

  15. Obama does not her discussing the economy i’ll bet, totally will undermine him as she knows a million times more what to do.

  16. Barack Obama has no shame. how can he accuse Mccain of taking “a ‘Katrina Like’ Response

    Easy. He was speaking to a black audience and “Katrina” is dog-whistle code for racism. Just like when he sent Jesse Jr. out to accuse Senator Clinton of not shedding a tear for “Katrina”.

  17. Don’t you love Bambi braggin’ on a transfer from the US taxpaper to Wall Street corporations as if that somehow is a good thing for the avergage guy.

  18. BO is really fanning the flames of racism, isn’t he?

    And, the media.

    I remember in Sept 2007 when it looked like Clinton would win the nomination, the media all rallied the troops and released an onslaught against her.

    We’ve just seen the same thing happen to McCain when it looked like he had momentum after the Republican convention.

    I’ve already accepted that the media has picked our next President. Frankly, I’m not even sure why we bother to vote anymore.

  19. hwc
    I hear you. I will vote but for the first time in my life I am truly ashamed of my country. And my disgust grows by the day.

  20. henry:

    Once the country has been hijacked by the media (as for example, the NYTIMES selling the invasion of Iraq), there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it.

  21. I am so frustrated. Everyone keeps asking me things like “if there’s voter fraud why hasn’t it been on cbs or cnn?” I send links and relay stories but to no avail. The idea that we as a country are even considering electing someone to be CIC with the abscence of experience leaves me at a complete loss. You would think in a semi-rational world that the 57 states gaffe would have finished him.

  22. What terrifies me about the constant barrage of positive polls for BO (although we know they’re lies) is after almost a year of fawning, glowing coverage people will think his victory is inevitable.

    Even McCain seems a bit chastened by the huge smackdown he got last week for suspending his campaign and going to DC to help with the bailout. The dems were so vocal in their accusations of grandstanding and the media was so unanimously dismissive of him while heaping credit on BO that today, on George S., JM seemed subdued.

    This constant, endless chipping away at a person’s self-respect can bring down the strongest most fearless fighter. Look at what happened to HRC. Look at what’s beginning to happen to Palin. It’s the mob mentality, the relentless brute force, the bullying peer pressure approach. Those are the same strategies used by high school ‘in-crowds.” It’s the triumph to the nth degree of the old squeaky wheel getting the oil adage and I’m beginning to wonder if there’s any way out.

    I read an article today about modern-day slavery in Africa perpetrated by Chinese companies with voracious appetites for raw materials, especially copper.

    For some reason it reminded me of what could happen in the US, under BO. All kidding aside, I honestly do fear ‘reeducation training” and other brainwashing techniques. Heck, Bo is already using them with his “Obama camps.” He has plans for a civilian army to supplement the military. He encourages his supporters to ‘get in their faces and convert” the unconvinced. He quips “We’ll bring a gun if they bring a knife.” His surrogates threaten of riots if he isn’t elected.

    The intimidation, the fear-mongering is frightening. And I don’t think for one minute that it’s all for show. He does believe he’s ‘the One.” He does believe that “a light will come down and you’ll say I must vote for barrack” (and if you don’t you’ll be hounded down and smoked out for treason like Rengel, like Lewis, like HRC.

    I’m not kidding. I’m scared.

  23. ShortTermer Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
    ——————————————-
    Shortermer: I have the same reaction you do.

    There are certain rules you learn in life the hard way. Like the rule of 3’s.

    Assume you hear something you dont want to believe. You dismiss it and go on with your business. Then you hear a second thing that corroborates it. You think about it a little longer and then cast it aside. Then you hear a third thing and now you have to make a decision. Do you believe it or dismiss it? The rule of 3’s says believe it. And, the rule of 3’s is seldom wrong.

    What I see now is troubles me deeply. At the very moment that obama is stealing the rights of American citizens I see Hillary and Bill doubling down on him. This truth squad stuff is toxic, what happened to her die hard supporters at the causcuses was a travesty, and what about this original bailout plan that gave a blank check to Paulson, pork to the dems and a 700 billion dollar bill to all of us for a dem problem.

    The answer is not to say bush is the worst presidnet in history. The issue is the future and the toxic tendencies of Obama. The answer is to get off the campaign trail, and to stop vouching for him. He will get worse in the days ahead.

  24. This is really frightening. But you guys, don’t give up. You have to vote. We have to vote. We can’t let this go down without a fight. This is what they want. you discouraged so you will stay home.

  25. I am watching tv and just saw an intriguing commercial for rightchange.com so went and looked it up. this is a little meat of it.

    10 Things You Need to Know About Senator Obama’s Tax Proposals
    Read the Paper: “Michael Boskin: A CLOSER LOOK AT OBAMANOMICS”

    Under the tax plans of Barack Obama and his Democratic friends in Congress, American families will only be left with… the change in their pockets.

    In 2009, Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress have an idea for a bill. Well, really, it’s a lot of bills that will be paid for by nearly every American in the form of higher taxes and higher costs for food, energy and other products.

    So if you have a retirement account, work in or shop at a small business, are close or in retirement, or even flip on a light switch, then there are a few things that you should consider.

    Under that plan:

    1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
    2 Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
    3 Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
    4. 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
    5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
    6. Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
    7. It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill!
    8. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
    9 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.
    10. Even YOU might be considered “Rich.”

  26. Reminder to everyone, we still have a month of campaigning ahead. There is still a lot to unfold. The polls, especially the national ones, will bounce around. The only poll that matters is on election day.

    I am betting the Republicans will unlease soon. There are not going to let Obama just walk into the white house. I agree with Lin67..we need to keep up the fight.

  27. I will never give up. McCain needs to come out and call Bo out on this.

    What is up with these campaigns, Is he scared to talk about this? Let it all hang out, win all lose.

    He should have a news conference.

    I got an e-mail from Newsmax saying Bo won the debate by a nose. I can’t belieive these people

  28. What’s even more troubling is something no one even talks about anymore, the total and complete subjugation of women. It’s like sexism in the campaign never existed. It’s like the paternalistic BM has let the little lady have her hissy fit and fully expects us to calm down, control our emotions and get on with traditional women’s roles.

    Of course the fact the rules have changed and it’s an unqualified AA man who emerged as dominant doesn’t matter because males always triumph over females. That’s the natural order of the universe

    And we’re supposed to just shut-the-f**K up and be grateful we were given our ten minutes in the spotlight.

    We’re expected to admit our errors, admire the strong, wise all-knowing party leaders and get back to work.

    It is unfriggin-believable! They’re rewriting history, again, and we’re not even a footnote in the new Obamaversion. In fact, there’s a new study on racism (will find the link) saying that over-40 white women are more prone to racist views than others.

    Ladies (and gentlemen), WTF are we gonna do????????

  29. neetabug:

    There’s nothing that McCain can do. The media has already decided the election and will do whatever it takes to destroy McCain.

    The good news. The combination of Pelosi, Reed, and Obama will produce arrogance in Washington unseen since Newt Gingrich. The Dems will have two years to do their damage and then it will be their turn to surf the wave of “throw the bums out”.

  30. I have every faith in McCain that he is going to triumph. In the days to come he is going to throw the kitchen sink at his opponent. Obama will collapse under the weight of his corrupt actions. His falsehoods will be smeared everywhere. The media have become laughing stocks with the exception of a few.

    McCain will succeed!

  31. birdgal Says: Anyone wonder where Senator Clinton is on this?

    ========

    A few days ago iirc she wrote a great op-ed for WSJ titled “Let’s keep people in their homes.” More recently Paterson Gov of NY wrote one similar for WSJ.

  32. I think whats hapening here is that they see the way Obama works, he knocks back shit over tiem, maybe the republicans are holding everything back and then going to throw it all at once 2 weeks before the election so Obama doesnt know what to do. So he has no time to explain it.

  33. American Gal,
    Remember how we said the same thing for months about HRC? Look what happened.
    “I am betting the Republicans will unlease soon. There are not going to let Obama just walk into the white house.”

    Here’s the racist white women article.
    Chicago Tribune: Racial prejudice and the elderly
    By Howard Witt
    Now, though, in the midst of the nation’s first presidential campaign between a black candidate and a white one, a convergence of new political and scientific research suggests that prejudice and stereotyping among elderly white Americans in particular may not be so innocuous after all.
    Older white voters heavily favored Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic primary season, and national polls indicate that group now leans toward Sen. John McCain by 10 percentage points or more…
    Von Hippel, a professor at the University of Queensland in Australia, says . . . . . “At some level, I would say we should not hold older adults responsible for their racist attitudes,”
    “We call it ‘prejudice against your will,’ because we think it’s not something they can control.”
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-elderly-racism_wittsep24,0,5158304.story

  34. American Gal,
    Remember how we said the same thing about HRC for months and look what happened.
    “I am betting the Republicans will unlease soon. There are not going to let Obama just walk into the white house.”

    Here’s the white racism article.
    Chicago Tribune: Racial prejudice and the elderly
    By Howard Witt
    Now, though, in the midst of the nation’s first presidential campaign between a black candidate and a white one, a convergence of new political and scientific research suggests that prejudice and stereotyping among elderly white Americans in particular may not be so innocuous after all.
    Older white voters heavily favored Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic primary season, and national polls indicate that group now leans toward Sen. John McCain by 10 percentage points or more…
    Von Hippel, a professor at the University of Queensland in Australia, says . . . . . “At some level, I would say we should not hold older adults responsible for their racist attitudes,”
    “We call it ‘prejudice against your will,’ because we think it’s not something they can control.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-elderly-racism_wittsep24,0,5158304.story

  35. Ladies (and gentlemen), WTF are we gonna do????????
    —————————————–
    Basil: the only thing I can suggest is pull for Palin in the short term and Hillary in the long term. It is the best we have to work with now. Stay the course that admin has outlined. And with your freelance jouralist credentials write about it.

    I did send alot of caucus stuff to FOX. Turndownbama probably has more tnan I do. I will send an email so Lynn Long knows.

  36. I went and read that Newsmax article about Obama winning the debate by a nose, that was a zogby poll, I actually participated in that one. Zogby has it much closer than the gallup poll that came out today. It has Obama with a big lead. Zogby still has it in the margin of error. That’s interesting. Also pay attention to that likely voter. If the person didn’t vote in the last election I doubt his opinion even counted. The other interesting thing was that people thought Obama would win the debate before the debate even happened. Now what do you think the chances that that didn’t influence their opinion.

  37. hwc Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    neetabug:

    There’s nothing that McCain can do. The media has already decided the election and will do whatever it takes to destroy McCain.

    The good news. The combination of Pelosi, Reed, and Obama will produce arrogance in Washington unseen since Newt Gingrich. The Dems will have two years to do their damage and then it will be their turn to surf the wave of “throw the bums out”.
    ——————————————
    I am not so sure. Be patient. Nobody can control the world. It is too complex and too many variables.

  38. The republicans are tying to unlease, and Obama is trying his darndest to shut it down. Like those NRA ads. And Mo. He has his thugs out there trying.

  39. basil, that article is garbage and horrible. I don’t know, why, anyone would even print such a nasty and untrue piece.

  40. wbboei,

    You’re right wbboei, but I gotta say I’m a bit freaked today by the media’s total fabrication of JM’s complicity in pulling a ‘campaign’ stunt, for not “looking” at BO, for crediting Bo with the bailout when it was JM who was needed to herd the cats…..

    I guess I didn’t think it could get worse and it has. i didn’t think we’d see a replay of the HRC smears and we are. And what’s even worse is I fully expected the repubs to go after BO with brass knuckles and they haven’t laid a finger on him. That was HRC’s BIG miscalculation. She waited TOO long! If JM doesn’t step up to the plate soon the game’s gonna be over. And this time we don’t have and friggin alternative!

  41. I went and read that Newsmax article about Obama winning the debate by a nose, that was a zogby poll, I actually participated in that one. Zogby has it much closer than the gallup poll that came out today. It has Obama with a big lead. Zogby still has it in the margin of error. That’s interesting. Also pay attention to that likely voter. If the person didn’t vote in the last election I doubt his opinion even counted. The other interesting thing was that people thought Obama would win the debate before the debate even happened. Now what do you think the chances that that didn’t influence their opinion
    ———————————————
    No. It wasnt even close. A good friend who is a commmunications professor with a keen eye to politics gave it clearly to mccain. But if you surey 80%off shore voters (like msnbc does) or weight your survey to democratic voters as mccain has proven they do then you get these skewed results. For the record, mccain won the debate. Period.

  42. wbboei said: I did send alot of caucus stuff to FOX. Turndownbama probably has more tnan I do.
    =========

    I don’t have ANYTHING about caucus fraud etc. The only thing I have is some leads about comparing caucus reslts with primary results in several states that did both. Each time it turned out about 53/47 in primary, 70/30 in caucus.

  43. Basil: the republicans will push back–believe me. They are used to running against the media. In the world I was in a gannet newspaper put a picture of my friend the congressman on the front page with a picture of Adolf Hitler. She was part Jewish but they never knew cause they never asked. These people dont give a fuck about the truth–it is irrelevant. Theyre schlockmeiseters.

  44. I THINK IF THE REPUBS DO HAVE SOMETHING THEY NEED TO GET IT OUT. I ALSO THINK sARAH AFTER THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE GETTING ON ALL THE FOX SHOWS OVER AND OVER AND LOU DOBBS BECAUSE HE WOULD BE FAIR AND HE IS ON CNN.

    sorry about the caps

  45. Hope you’re right.

    I think I’ve become sensitized to the smear tactics and what used to take months to register now happens in days. There is no more benefit-of-the-doubt. I’ve seen this story before. We all know the ending unless BO gets pushed off course, the sooner the better.

  46. # moononpluto Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    I think whats hapening here is that they see the way Obama works, he knocks back shit over tiem, maybe the republicans are holding everything back and then going to throw it all at once 2 weeks before the election so Obama doesnt know what to do. So he has no time to explain it.
    **************

    that’s exactly how i would play it… in the last 2 weeks before election voting……throw a Big Political Bomb every couple days to keep the negative news cycle hitting obama like the bands of hurricane Katrina!! He won’t know what to do and will not have the time to nor will BM have the time to “explain” it away….. and the voters will have major DOUBT about obama and vote safe this year

  47. As for who ‘won’ the debate, the most sensible comment I’ve heard is that they were each playing to their own base or potential base, each introducing hmself to potential supporters who are only just beginning to pay attention to the campaign. Each one demonstrated to his own supporters or potential supporters that he could perform decently on a debate stage. Of course their standards of decency are different. Obama showed he could be strident and wave his hands. McCain showed he could stay awake and focused for 90 minutes.

    If the criterian for ‘winning’ is who the Independents said won, didn’t they call it strongly for McCain?

    Seems like a good criterian would be, “Did the debate make you more or less likely to vote for/support Candidate X?”

  48. ObamaNo // September 28, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Two Faced
    http://savagepolitics.com/

    ssmithssmith // September 28, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    drummjr:

    here you go:

    1) Steven corbett, In case you are not familiar with corbett, he has a very big audience in PA, I live in VA and listen to him as well. He was the first one to start the “operation turndown” agn BO.

    The show is on from 3 PM ET, until 7 PM
    Call in number:
    1.800.437.0098

    to listen online, here you go:
    http://www.wilknetwork.com/pages/322229.php

    2)Lou Dobbs:
    1-877-553-6227 between 3 PM and 5 PM (Eastern Time)

    3)Rush 12 – 3 est 800 282 2882 (yeah.. I know, but we’ll take help where we can)

    4)hannity 3 – 6 est 800.941.7326

    points:
    1) MO state officials being used by that fraud to arrest people for speaking out agn him. Example:
    if you say BO is raising taxes, you can be charged with an ethics charge and may be arrested. And these are Missouri city and county attys working on behalf of that fraud’s campagin

    (refer them to noquarter’s site for the local news video that had these state atty on saying they will arrest and charge people for anti-BO statements)
    Mention that the fraud has Stalinist tendencies, shut down dissent of any kind!

    http://noquarterusa.net/

    2) saudia arabia funded his harvard education, why? I find this very suspcious! There are forces at work in this election helping that fraud, and they are for the demise of this great country.

    3) the Berg federal lawsuit that the fraud being sued since he won’t show his real BC, since he was born in Kenya, then he got his indonesian citizenship. If he born here, why won’t he show his real BC, and shut the federal lawsuit down? why? b/c he can’t.

    4)ACORN is still in that bailout bill per the dems and the fraud, ACORN have done so much voter fraud, so much corruption, and their main guy was the fraud, who has been working with them for years.. etc. And the taxpayer is now going to pay for this voter fraud b/c of the bailout bill.

    and now the fraud says, if elected, he will revisit the bailout bill, so he can add more ACORN crap no doubt

  49. ObamaNo // September 28, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Two Faced
    http://savagepolitics.com/

    ssmithssmith // September 28, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    1) Steven corbett, In case you are not familiar with corbett, he has a very big audience in PA, I live in VA and listen to him as well. He was the first one to start the “operation turndown” agn BO.

    The show is on from 3 PM ET, until 7 PM
    Call in number:
    1.800.437.0098

    2)Lou Dobbs:
    1-877-553-6227 between 3 PM and 5 PM (Eastern Time)

    3)Rush 12 – 3 est 800 282 2882 (yeah.. I know, but we’ll take help where we can)

    4)hannity 3 – 6 est 800.941.7326

    points:
    1) MO state officials being used by that fraud to arrest people for speaking out agn him. Example:
    if you say BO is raising taxes, you can be charged with an ethics charge and may be arrested. And these are Missouri city and county attys working on behalf of that fraud’s campagin

    (refer them to noquarter’s site for the local news video that had these state atty on saying they will arrest and charge people for anti-BO statements)
    Mention that the fraud has Stalinist tendencies, shut down dissent of any kind!

    2) saudia arabia funded his harvard education, why? I find this very suspcious! There are forces at work in this election helping that fraud, and they are for the demise of this great country.

    3) the Berg federal lawsuit that the fraud being sued since he won’t show his real BC, since he was born in Kenya, then he got his indonesian citizenship. If he born here, why won’t he show his real BC, and shut the federal lawsuit down? why? b/c he can’t.

    4)ACORN is still in that bailout bill per the dems and the fraud, ACORN have done so much voter fraud, so much corruption, and their main guy was the fraud, who has been working with them for years.. etc. And the taxpayer is now going to pay for this voter fraud b/c of the bailout bill.

    and now the fraud says, if elected, he will revisit the bailout bill, so he can add more ACORN crap no doubt

  50. « Is the end in sight for the era of academic BS?…(The Sanity Inspector) | Home | “First they raise your taxes and now they want to raise your children.” »

    September 28, 2008
    The House Republicans hold …
    … and get the concessions they said had to be done to the bail out before they would sign off.

    House and Senate negotiators from both parties emerged with Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. at 12:30 a.m. from a marathon session in the Capitol to announce that they had reached a tentative agreement on a proposal to give Paulson broad authority to organize one of the biggest government interventions in the private sector since the Great Depression.Full details of the plan were not immediately available. Lawmakers said their staffs would be working through the night to assemble the package and post it on the Internet. […]

    Rep. Roy Blunt (R-Ohio), who represented House Republicans, the group that had raised the most serious objections to the plan, said he was pleased with the progress made but that he had to take the proposal back to his caucus before committing his support for it. “I look forward to what we’re going to see on paper and presenting these ideas to my colleagues and getting their reaction,” Blunt said.

    A senior administration official, who requested anonymity to speak freely about the plan, said both sides had made significant concessions to achieve compromise. The Bush administration has agreed to accept a number of Democratic demands, including:

    · The money would be dispersed in segments, with Paulson receiving $250 billion immediately, $100 billion upon White House certification of its necessity and the final $350 billion only after Congress has been given 15 days to object.

    · Firms participating in the bailout would be required to grant the government warrants to obtain nonvoting shares of stock, so taxpayers can benefit if the companies return to profitability.

    · Firms taking advantage of the bailout would be required to limit compensation for senior executives, with especially severe limits on “golden parachutes” at failing firms. The compensation limits will be enacted primarily, but not solely, through the tax code by reducing tax deductions for firms that pay executives more than $400,000 a year. […]

    Democrats also made a number of concessions, abandoning demands that bankruptcy judges be empowered to modify home mortgages on primary residences for people in foreclosure. They also agreed not to dedicate a portion of any profits from the bailout program to an affordable housing fund that Republicans claimed would primarily assist social service organizations that support the Democratic Party, the official said.

    Meanwhile, House Republicans won a major victory, persuading negotiators to include a provision that would require the Treasury Department to create a federal insurance program that would guarantee banks and other firms against loss from any troubled asset, the official said.

    It was John McCain that brought the House Republicans to the table, enraging the excreble Harry Reid who only wanted McCain back to do the Democrats bidding and causing serious enough problems with Nancy’s botox she squealed that the Republicans were “unpatriotic” and she wanted to sue ‘em to cover her plastic surgeon bills.

    Those two haven’t paid attention to Country First, but when have they ever?

  51. ADMIN,

    we are all on the same page, thanks for laying it out. the papers and pundits say hillary supporters are poor losers, we know differently. we could see the measure of this man, along time ago. nothing he has done, has been honest, or upstanding. he lives in a world of greed, avarice, and power at any cost. he sees himself as the ‘the one, the world has been waiting for’. cant get much scarier than that.

    i’ve said as you and others have, that this could be the year of a great paradym shift. many can sense the impending doom involved with obama, its like a back to the future movie, where marty mcfly changes history, and the world is ruled by biff…. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID….

  52. Interesting post from NOQuarter:
    “A piece of advice for bloggers on here, there are some bloggers who claim to be worried over Obama becoming POTUS and are making all sorts of worrysome statements, be careful in what you patronize

    One of Saul Alinsky’s tactics is “to become one of your advisaries in order to gain entrance and acceptance first, then inject fear and any other sorts of swaying thoughts in your intended target!”

    Obama is pulling out all the tactics he can right now, he is falling terribly in secure Democrat States of California and NY and if you read the polling stats deeper, the call basis for the polls are bogus, an Axelrod tactic.”

  53. You know I haven’t really seen that spin against McCain except by Obama and the democrats in the house, but I only watch Fox news too and I don’t really read the big name papers. They are just an extension of abc, cbs and nbc. I have only heard it on there by the dems and bots, not the commentators. And they always counter it with a republicans view or some sharp questions, like repeating 5 times but there was no deal before McCain came to town now was there senator. Just short of but you’re lieing senator. And more people watch fox news than any of the others combined. most of the ones watching the other channels would never vote for a republican anyway, regardless of who it is.

  54. dijiia,

    Maybe they’re waiting until after the VP debate this thursday?

    I dunno, but when i saw JM on GS this morning he seemed much different then the affable guy we saw last Friday. He seemed to be controlling himself, as though he were constant;y on the verge of blurting out something he shouldn’t, as though he wanted to really set the record straight about BO but he wasn’t allowed to – yet. I saw a man with a secret who’s trying not to divulge it too soon but by staying silent has to put up with unfair accusations against him – i dunno – maybe I’m just fantasizing but i got the impression he was a man with a whole lot of beans he wasn’t at liberty to spill, yet..

  55. If you peak too soon, then the enemy has time to recover. However, with early voting, the Reps have to throw there tough stuff soon.

    I also do not believe the polls, and they appear to be rigged.

  56. basil: was the interviewer trying to provoke him? Maybe, he didn’t want to lose his cool. Some people thought he was rude to BO, because he did not look at him. McCain probably can’t stand him, which is why, he didn’t look at him. Plus, he may have been focused on the moderator. He probably couldn’t say too much, especially with this tenous bill coming together. No matter what McCain said, it would have been twisted against him.

  57. The polls are too different, gallup has a 8 point lead, zogby has a 3 point lead today. That’s a decent difference.

  58. WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) – President George W. Bush will make a statement on Monday at 7:35 a.m. EDT about the $700 billion bailout plan aimed at shorting up the U.S. financial system, the White House said on Sunday.

    in.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idINWBT00988320080928

  59. you know what I thought when he didn’t look at him, I thought I wonder if he has problems turning his head. I mean think about it, if you can’t raise your arms and use your hands you probably have nerve damage in the shoulders and neck. Its why he is always hunched. Now he is probably too proud to say listen, that is uncomfortable for me to do too much, he isn’t going to use his injury. I have no idea if that is true, but that is what went through my mind.

  60. speaking of early voting, I was thinking of doing it. Do you think that would be smart? Or would that encourage voter fraud somehow? I have handicapped children, it would just be easier. I don’t trust absentee voting. I just feel like there are some ballots that don’t get counted.

  61. birdgal Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    Interesting post from NOQuarter:

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    Thank you birdgal for posting that. That is probably a very important point for us to keep in mind. Maybe we need to ignore the polls a little.

  62. Lin, that sounds reasonable, but I wouldn’t want to look at Bo, because I loathe him.
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    LMAO! That sounds reasonable too.

  63. # basil9 Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    dijiia,

    Maybe they’re waiting until after the VP debate this thursday?
    ***********
    I would wait at least until then…. and I didn’t get to watch the debate 🙁 but have been catching repeat segments
    and all the comments here and around the net on it….

    I think…IMHO…….McCain Camp is as smart and savvy as they come…..they are playing obama like a fiddle and making him sing and dance to their tune right now……. they are laying the railroad ties so the train ccan come down and smack Bbho between the eyes 😀

  64. Maybe, it is time for a refresher in Alinsky tactics. I have a new computer, and my favorites haven’t been transferred over. Anyone out there, have the page for Alinsky tactics?

  65. Hey, that’s not fair. Palin does something and it is all over the new. Obama was told not to wear the bracelet or mention it, he completely blows them off and no MSM coverage. Yeah, that fair.

  66. Remember Pres. Bush passed a new bill during the primary that gives him the power to cancel the election if he deems a threat to our country in any shape or form. I think the bill is named: Marshall Plan. Also, the Berg vs Obama and DNC Lawsuit might be a way for Hillary to get Obama off the ballot. Of course, I am only guessing but you never know. Obama has many hot issues pending against himself at this time. One for sure is Rizko. Talk is that he likely will sing like a canary. Check it out.
    Be calm. You are very good bloggers.
    The Drudge Report Poll is good. In the past this poll as correctly identified the last 4 Presidents elected. They have Mc leading by 68%-30%. Go figure.

  67. birdgal Says: Maybe, it is time for a refresher in Alinsky tactics. I have a new computer, and my favorites haven’t been transferred over. Anyone out there, have the page for Alinsky tactics

    ===============

    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/

    Lizza’s in TNR is the most detailed I know of. Hillary wrote a thesis on Alinsky which I don’t have linked.

  68. admin,

    good article at bloomberg, of obama squelching free speech:
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    Silencing Critics Using the Barack Obama Method: Ann Woolner

    Commentary by Ann Woolner

    Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama campaigns as if only Thomas Jefferson could match his devotion to free speech and open government.

    He co-sponsored a 2006 law that put more government information, such as earmarks, online and now wants to expand it. He says he would “shine the light” on things like how much lobbyists spend to swing which federal contract for what clients and tax breaks for special interest groups. As president, he would post online bills that reach his desk for five days before signing.

    And yet, when trying to squelch debate about the more troubling aspects of his candidacy, any Jeffersonian instincts evaporate.

    When WGN-AM Radio in Chicago scheduled a two-hour interview last week with David Freddoso, who wrote “The Case Against Barack Obama,” the campaign sent out an alarm to supporters, sparking an avalanche of angry phone calls to the station.

    The case against Freddoso, according to the Obama Wire Alert, was that he’s a “card-carrying member of the right-wing smear machine.” And by hosting him, WGN was giving a wider audience for Freddoso’s “baseless lies.”

    Lies? In a political campaign?! And baseless lies at that!

    Within the growing anti-Obama literary school, Freddoso isn’t the most extreme. But he clearly misstates facts. For example, he claims that Obama favors infanticide. False.

    As for a smear machine, that isn’t paranoia talking. The contraption is revved up and churning out product.

    Angry Callers

    But the proper response in a democratic society isn’t to scream at those who give an author a podium, to call the man names or jam a radio station’s phone lines with angry callers.

    If you value free speech, the proper response is to say yes, thanks, when the radio host invites your campaign to send someone to debate the enemy on the air.

    Obama’s campaign declined.

    So it did a month earlier, too, when the same WGN-AM radio host, Milt Rosenberg, gave time to yet another anti-Obama writer, Stanley Kurtz. There is no shortage of these people, it would seem.

    Then, as now, the campaign refused to join the critic on the air, preferring to sic supporters onto the station’s complaint line instead. The second time that happened, the host found an Obama supporter to balance out the show, albeit one not connected to the campaign.

    You can understand the campaign’s inclination not to give such writers more cred by showing up to debate them.

    And yet, shouldn’t the campaign rebut these allegations in the venue where they turn up?

    Shutting Up Critics

    Instead, it tries to shut them up.

    While writing rebuttal after rebuttal online, the campaign and its supporters have been threatening television stations and networks with boycotts of sponsors and legal action for airing a commercial produced by this year’s reincarnation of the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth.” (The quotation marks are mine, not theirs.)

    Backed by the same Texas billionaire, Harold Simmons, who helped pay for the Swift Boat campaign and is maxing out on contributions to the McCain-Palin campaign, the American Issues Project has produced and is buying air time for a commercial that ties Obama to a 1960s radical who admits to helping bomb the U.S. Capitol in 1971, William Ayers.

    Senator John Kerry, the Democrats’ 2004 presidential nominee, couldn’t imagine his Vietnam War service and the medal he won for it could be successfully attacked as he campaigned against a president who used his father’s connections to avoid combat altogether.

    Swift Boat Claims

    So the Swift Boat claims ricocheted around cable networks and radio talk shows for weeks before they got a rise out of the Kerry campaign. By the time fact-checkers debunked the claims, the damage had been done.

    This year, too, it’s clear that no lie can be presumptively dismissed as too untrue to be believed.

    And yet, candidates who want to side with truth and free speech simply can’t go around urging their supporters to badger those who write unpleasant, even untrue, things about them.

    The Obama campaign bullied CNN and Fox TV out of airing the Ayers commercials. But they are being shown in targeted, swing areas in Ohio and Michigan.

    Obama shouldn’t be blamed for what Ayers did when the candidate was 8 years old, as Obama says. By the time the two met, Ayers was a University of Illinois professor in Chicago, deeply involved in education reform, a topic of interest to Obama.

    And, certainly, voters should care less about the past than we should about how the next president plans to fix America’s shamefully broken education system, the economy, international relations and, you know the rest.

    But by trying to shut down his enemies instead of answering them head-on, Obama feeds the suspicions they create and smudges his claim as a full-throated proponent of free speech.

    (Ann Woolner is a Bloomberg news columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)

  69. most of the ones watching the other channels would never vote for a republican anyway, regardless of who it is.

    basil9 Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    dijiia,

    Maybe they’re waiting until after the VP debate this thursday?

    I dunno, but when i saw JM on GS this morning he seemed much different then the affable guy we saw last Friday. He seemed to be controlling himself, as though he were constant;y on the verge of blurting out something he shouldn’t, as though he wanted to really set the record straight about BO but he wasn’t allowed to – yet. I saw a man with a secret who’s trying not to divulge it too soon but by staying silent has to put up with unfair accusations against him – i dunno – maybe I’m just fantasizing but i got the impression he was a man with a whole lot of beans he wasn’t at liberty to spill, yet..
    *******************

    Don’t forget, he was tortured for 6 yrs and gave the enemy nothing, he probably wants to kick the frauds ass. I know I do!

  70. AlinRULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

    RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

    RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

    RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

    http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm

  71. The Drudge Report Poll is good. In the past this poll as correctly identified the last 4 Presidents elected. They have Mc leading by 68%-30%. Go figure.
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    It has??? I did not know that. I never visited it that much until recently. I thought it was overwhelmingly conservative. But them maybe a lot of hil supporters are visiting now.

  72. The Drudge Report Poll is good. In the past this poll as correctly identified the last 4 Presidents elected. They have Mc leading by 68%-30%. Go figure.
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    It has??? I did not know that. I never visited it that much until recently. I thought it was overwhelmingly conservative. But them maybe a lot of hil supporters are visiting now.

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    Do you have a link to that? I dont’ see it on the front page.

  73. gonzo, basil
    ==========

    I shouldn’t laugh about y’all talking about McCain keeping secrets now and having kept secrets from the North Vietnamese, but — LOL!

    While the negotiatiosn are still going on about the bailout and/or related stuff, of course he would have plenty of secrets to keep.

    I hope he really does have great stuff on BO that will soon come out. He sure doesn’t look worried about anything. Onlly time I’ve seen him a little upset was about BO threatening Pakistan: “You dont SAY stuff like that OUT LOUD!”

  74. Maybe he is writing down all the lies O is saying at his rally and lay into him at the next debate. Then again maybe his is waiting until the last debate is over with so he can’t get called on it.

  75. Wow

    Hi everyone

    FINALLY have internet full time again! Moving twice in 6 weeks, snatching wireless out of the sky.

    Been reading as I can. Becoming more and more astounded at the Obama Campaign tactics.

    A real destroyer of constitutional rights.

    Pathetic and frigetening.

    Admin – you, as usual, are SO good

  76. birdgal,

    Thanks for the 12 Rules of Alinsky. I’ve added that to my page at
    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/

  77. Norma Desmond Says: Becoming more and more astounded at the Obama Campaign tactics.
    A real destroyer of constitutional rights.
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    See Birdgirl’s list of Alinsky Rules. One of their methods is to produce just that impression, make themselves look more dangerous than they really are. Also keeping changing tactics, one new shock on top of another. Put those together, and some of the shocks may not be real, nor as strong (or as sincerely-crazy) as they seem.

  78. Obama launches Pa. Truth Squad
    By Wally Edge
    Category: President, LocalTags: Barack Obama, Truth Squad, John McCain, Ed Rendell

    The Obama campaign today announced they are rolling out the Pennsylvania Truth Squad – a group of elected and community leaders from around the state who they say will be proactive in letting Pennsylvanians know the truth in the face of the distortions by the McCain campaign.

    The mission of the Truth Squad will be to respond to accusations the Obama campaign perceive as false.

    Truth Squad
    Governor Edward Rendell
    Senator Bob Casey
    Mayor Michael Nutter, Philadelphia
    Congressman Robert Brady
    Congressman Chaka Fattah
    Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz
    Congressman Patrick Murphy
    Commissioner Michael Washo, Lackawanna County
    Commissioner Corey O’Brien, Lackawanna County
    Senator Robert Mellow
    Mayor John Brenner, York
    Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster
    Mayor Tom McMahon, Reading
    Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, Pittsburgh
    Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock
    Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato
    Senator Sean Logan
    Lehigh County Executive Don Cunningham
    Auditor General Jack Wagner
    Kathleen McGinty, Former Secretary of Department of
    Environmental Protection
    Eileen Connelly, Executive Director, SEIU Pennsylvania State Council
    Bill George, President, Pennsylvania AFL-CIO
    Commissioner Joseph Hoeffel, Montgomery County
    State Representative Joshua Shapiro
    Congressman John Murtha
    Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham

  79. when poosie calls you unpatriotic ya gotta figure yer doing something right

    this media fantasy about who won the debate was petty payback casue jm was ready to cancel their pecious debates

    you saw the reaction of the boring jackass letterman–asshole prima donna

    blunt (used to be blount) is a pretty good negotiator. he was on the opposite side of a transaction from us one time and we won–but it was no reflection on him–we just happened to have the horses. (In the long run he was right)

  80. The difference in MO, is that law enforcement and prosecutors are involved.

    This is facism, and it will only get worst, if BO is elected. The democratic party is dead. Liberal facism is taking over.

  81. The mission of the Truth Squad will be to respond to accusations the Obama campaign perceive as false
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    I have no problem with that.

    It is what he was talking about before that was problematic–using the power of the state to suppress dissenting opinion.

    Maybe somebody got wise and whispered in his ear that what he was trying to do was a violation of the First Amendment.

    Bet it was either Tribe or Sunstein–both con law professors at Harvard. Say, why didnt bambi know that–oh thats right he was only an instructor.

  82. I saw a man with a secret who’s trying not to divulge it too soon but by staying silent has to put up with unfair accusations against him – i dunno – maybe I’m just fantasizing but i got the impression he was a man with a whole lot of beans he wasn’t at liberty to spill, yet.
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    cool! It needs to be a ko.

  83. thanks wbboei

    been reading when i could get a signal and load the pages and comments, but havent had enough signal long enough (or strong enough) to post.

  84. The difference in MO, is that law enforcement and prosecutors are involved.

    This is facism, and it will only get worst, if BO is elected. The democratic party is dead. Liberal facism is taking over.
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    precisely birdgal.

    confloyd wherever you are: bambi is a perfect shock doctrine guy–puppet.

  85. Ever had something called sqaw candy? Its to die for. Hard smoked kind salmon stips with lots of brown sugar. The Aleuts in Alaska make it. It is now in Seattle. Bellies are best. Lots of oil. Jesus it is good. Almost as good as watching Johnnie Mac smack bambi around. Both go well with beer wine or anything else.

  86. Question: is the vaunted vainglorious truth squad empowered to act when Bambi tells a wopper or just cuts loose with a bold faced lie. If so they will be very very very busy. Send in the clowns.

  87. bridgal: that is a great post. Alinksy nailed it–a clear exposition of what power is. The power of the threat is typically greater than the power of the executed threat because once the threat is excecuted the weaknesses of its possessor stand revealed. Save that dissertation to your hard drive–the day may come when you need it.

  88. wbboei, Hey, I been soo busy, just lerking once in a while. Did not get to watch the debate, but heard Obama was an arrogant jerk. What I want to know is the real inside info, is he winning?? I surely hope not. This whole mortgage fiasco is purely shock doctrine. I am scared to death that they will get us in a depression before November!

  89. lerking? (lurk)

    sorry, sometimes my inner English teacher comes out.

    Beleave me, I see tuns of mispeld words here and everywear.

  90. PumaResponders needs a volunteer in Alaska or Hawaii or Europe or Asia or the East Coast of the US — or an insomniac. 🙂 Anyway someone with half an hour every day when it’s around 4:30 a. m. in California.

    I can have a ‘digest’ of the Responders posts for that day sent to you so you can post it at a few good blogs and Puma sites, such as this one, Clintondems, hillaryclintonforum.net, hillaryis44.org, and anywhere else you want to.

    The Digest needs some lines deleted before posting — routine stuff.

    tdo@turndownobama.com

  91. this gets more twisted by the day
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    It does henry, but every day we get one step closer to the truth.

    This new kind of politics is what Daividson and Lord Rees-mog called mega politics.

    We say bambi won because he cheated. They would say he won because he was willing to be more rutheless. (The Great Reckoning).

    In the language of the viet nam era he would destroy the village to save it–burn Denver. She would not. That may make her a better person but no a winner.

    Hillary was unwilling to call him on the fraud in the causcuses, the intimidation of the superdelgates nor would she call those who stole the nomination from her. Bill would have. She was more concerned about the retention of power and the welfare to the party. She is a better person for it but he is the nominee and now she is forced to do his bidding. Where is the glory in that?

    Fuck the party–both parties. This is about the country and it is about leadership.

    Mega politics. You walk down a dark alley where the law cannot protect you. Your right to keep what you have is determined by your ability to defend yourself. That is who alinsky was and it is who bambi is. Believe it. Its true.

    I have said this before. This is scorched earth politics and anyone who fails to recognize this forsakes what is for what ought to be and will learn something that will ruin him in the words of Machiavelli. You must be rutheless.

    Will Johnnie Mac be rutheless? He had better be for the good of the country.

  92. “People that I know that have never cared about politics are registering to vote this time: gang members, ex-cons, you name it.” – Snoop Dogg,

    Wow…THAT’S a hell of an endorsement, huh?

  93. These truth squads, do you think maybe they know McCain is coming out with something on Bo?

    That’s EXACTLY what I think, Neeta. This is advance prep work…count on it.

  94. Has anything come up with the dual citizenship thing??? I heard he let that out during the media frenzy over fannie and freddie/

  95. Just posted at
    h t t p : / / voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/28/bill_clinton_talks_obama_mccai.html

    Bill Clinton is certainly a great man. And Hillary is a great woman — her campaign proved that, if we didn’t know it already.

    Obama’s campaign proved just the opposite. He didn’t even try to win honestly. He had the deck stacked for him by Brazile, then pulled out the dirty tricks before the first round: packing the Iowa convention, playing the race card from the first — kneecapping the Clintons with nonsensical charges of ‘racism’.

    HIllary offered him a Clinton/Obama ticket, which would have given him sixteen years in the White House. Eight with the easy job of VP, nothing to do but fly around giving speeches. Then a clear shot at POTUS with a united party.

    And Obama REFUSED. He’d rather split the party and lose their chance, than earn his way honestly by serving as VP. He put his own ego above the issues that he claimed to share with HIllary. Rather than support her troop withdrawal, he’s going to leave us with McCain’s. HIllary could afford to vote against FISA, and she did; Obama had to pander. Hillary strongly supports choice; Obama had to pander.

    I’m disappointed in Obama’s character — but glad we found out now, instead of him GETTING his sixteen years in the White House. Hopefully he will be the McGovern of 2008 and slink back to Chicago forever.

  96. confloyd: I think he admitted to it. M called the embassy and they told her its a deal killer. This guy Saul is of the same opinion. Mj was of a different view. My sense is it is just the tip of the iceberg. There is reason to believe he was born in canada and M laid out the reasoning on the Plains Radio network. You will be happy to know that Rezko is about to audition for Madam Butterfly. He has the governor in his sites but we dont nee him for that. We need him to tell us all about bambi. He knows what the option is.

  97. wbboei Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 1:16 am
    ——————–

    FAscinating ethical issues but it’s getting late….

    The outcome of Obama’s scorching the Clintons — is that we Pumas and others are going to scorch him in righteous indignation. So it was not in fact a prouctive or efficient course for him. If he scrapes by into the White House, we are still not going to support him and he will not have a good mandate. His policies (if he had any) will not be well served. Taking Clnton/Obama would have been his best move, because he had a lot to lose (and has lost it).

    Prisoner’s dilemma is different when it’s repeated; then you have Grundy Golem, ‘tough but fair’.

    You don’t kneecap your allies. You don’t hurt your own side.

    I’m not sure that McCain would have as much to lose by being ‘ruthless’ with Obama.

  98. Turndownobama: JM has to be rutheless in terms of strategy–no holds barrred–without appearing to be. His style is fine.

  99. Posting at
    h t t p : / / voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/26/questions_linger_over_mccains.html

    HIllary has been warning about this situation and proposing solutions since at least last fall (or longer — see her WSJ “Let’s keep people in their homes”)

    So Pelosi and Reid ignore the situation — till just before adjournment when they announce a crisis so urgent that we have to pass something right now, no time to even think about it. Hurry right now and sign this bill — which turns out to be full of pork especially for Obama’s vote fraud group ACORN.

    Since it’s so urgent, McCain comes back to his day job. No, they don’t like that. Suddenly the debate is so important that Reid promises no vote that would interfere with the debate. (What’s wrong with this picture?)

    So McCain shows up at the debate. Now they don’t like that either. After the debate he goes back to DC. Now they don’t like that….

    Obama, who has been saying “If they need me they will call me” — now claims he was secretly on the phone with them every night and is The One who deserves All The Credit….

    And they like that.

  100. I am totally dismayed to see PA having an Obama Truth Squad! I’ve never seen the like of this in all my life. This seems to be spreading from state to state now. This has to be stopped! And what’s more is that Obama lies about almost everything.

    I think it’s time we all take to the streets in protest. I’m sure there are many people who aren’t getting all the info we are getting online. I know if I hadn’t stumbled onto this site while I was trying to find out the dirt on Obama, I wouldn’t know anything that has been going on. You certainly can’t get the truth from the media anymore.

    This is just so scary! I do hope McCain has alot of ammo to blast Bambi with, but I think it will take longer than two weeks before the election to get into some people’s heads. It take a long time for alot of people to come around.

  101. Turndownobama: there was an article written in Harvard Business Review over 30 years ago about negotiation. It was called Brinksmanship. It was written by a couple of investment bankers. Their theory was you get the best deal if you drive a hard bargain with your adversary–by being outratageous, devious and unpredictable. It works right up to the point where your adversary gets pissed off and then you must back off. I have seen that technique used by mafia people as well except that when you become emotional they are as likely as not the shoot you. Thus, other defensive methods are recommended.

  102. bluegirl Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 2:45 am
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    These are just leading dems in the state. Some supported Hill and other supported Barcrack Banana. They have a right to rebut what the repubs throw at them. It is when they start enlisting prosecutors to go against the authors that they cross the rubicon into illegality. If they really are a truth squad they will have bambi in their sites in five minutes and never lose site of him.

  103. I wonder if the “Truth Squads” is their answer to the NRA ads they want to run in PA. Obama is threatening stations if they run them, and NRA lawyers are all over that, NRA has money, so now they have “truth” squads to dispute those ads.

  104. Yesterday’s Washington Post

    “When Sen. John McCain made his way to the Capitol office of House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) just past noon on Thursday, he intended to “just touch gloves” with House Republican leaders, according to one congressional aide, and get ready for the afternoon bailout summit at the White House.

    Instead, Rep. Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, was waiting to give him an earful. The $700 billion Wall Street rescue, as laid out by Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., was never going to fly with House Republicans, Ryan said. The plan had to be fundamentally reworked, relying instead on a new program of mortgage insurance paid not by the taxpayers but by the banking industry.

    McCain listened, then, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), he burst into the Senate Republican policy luncheon. Over a Tex-Mex buffet, Sens. Robert F. Bennett (Utah) and Judd Gregg (N.H.) had been explaining the contours of a deal just reached. House Republicans were not buying it. Then McCain spoke.

    “I appreciate what you’ve done here, but I’m not going to sign on to a deal just to sign the deal,” McCain told the gathering, according to Graham and confirmed by multiple Senate GOP aides. “Just like Iraq, I’m not afraid to go it alone if I need to.”

    For a moment, as Graham described it, “you could hear a pin drop. It was just unbelievable.” Then pandemonium. By the time the meeting broke up, the agreement touted just hours before — one that Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the No. 3 GOP leader, estimated would be supported by more than 40 Senate Republicans — was in shambles.

    An incendiary mix of presidential politics, delicate dealmaking and market instability played out Thursday in a tableau of high drama, with $700 billion and the U.S. economy possibly in the balance. McCain’s presence was only one of the complicating factors. Sen. Barack Obama played his part, with a hectoring performance behind closed doors at the White House. And a brewing House Republican leadership fight helped scramble allegiances in the GOP.

    It is unclear whether the day’s events will prove to be historically significant or a mere political sideshow. If the administration and lawmakers forge an agreement largely along the lines of the deal they had reached before McCain’s arrival Thursday, the tumult will have been a momentary speed bump. If the deal collapses, the recriminations spawned that day will be fierce.

    But if a final deal incorporates House Republican principles while leaning most heavily on the accord between the administration, House Democrats and Senate Republicans, all sides will be able to claim some credit — even if the legislation is not popular with voters.

    “If there is a deal with the House involved, it’s because of John McCain,” Graham, one of the Arizonan’s closest friends in the Senate, said yesterday.

    In truth, McCain’s dramatic announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign and come to Washington for the bailout talks had wide repercussions.

    Democrats, eager to reach a deal before McCain could claim credit, hunkered down and made real progress ahead of his arrival. Conservative Republicans in the House reacted as well, according to aides who were part of the talks.

    The Republican Study Committee, an enclave of House conservatives, had already begun turning against the Paulson plan. When McCain announced his return, the conservatives feared he would forge an agreement largely along Paulson’s lines, with slight alterations and the GOP leadership’s blessing. “

  105. Lin67, I saw one of those NRA ads, but can’t remember if I saw it as an ad or if Fox was showing it.

    I do know something though, this is a very big hunting state and I don’t think Obama has a chance of winning here, at least I hope not. People who own guns, are really protective of them, especially hunters.

  106. firestorm from consumer advocates at obama for not backing provision allowing changes in bankruptcy laws. oh the gop and their cronies are so happy-w/ obama. hillary must be furious.
    ————————

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-scrub29-2008sep29,0,1188714.story?track=rss

    From the Los Angeles Times
    Bailout includes no bankruptcy aid for homeowners
    The Wall Street rescue deal does not include a provision allowing judges to revise loans on primary residences.
    By Tom Hamburger
    Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

    September 29, 2008

    WASHINGTON — As congressional negotiators labored over the giant financial bailout plan last week, business leaders saw little to applaud in more than a few of the ideas under discussion, including one that proposed changing the nation’s bankruptcy laws to make it easier for homeowners to downsize troubled home mortgages.

    On Sunday, when the head-butting ended and the dust cleared, a well-funded coalition of banking and mortgage industry lobbyists had reason to celebrate. The final bill included no changes in federal bankruptcy laws.

    Americans who take out loans to purchase cars, boats and even investment properties can file for bankruptcy protection and have a judge restructure their payments. But that’s not the case with their home mortgages. Since 1978, bankruptcy laws have prohibited judges from adjusting loans on a “principal residence.”

    Some Democrats had called for the bailout bill to change bankruptcy laws to permit such restructuring as a way to offer something for Main Street America.

    But those proponents — major labor unions, consumer groups and other pillars of the Democratic Party establishment — proved no match for a coalition that included the American Bankers Assn., the Mortgage Bankers Assn. and the National Assn. of Home Builders.

    Starting with a core of Republicans who adamantly opposed any such change, the coalition persuaded key Democratic leaders in Congress that pushing the idea could doom the rescue effort and endanger the whole economy.

    So successful was the effort to portray the bankruptcy idea as a deal breaker that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, while campaigning in Florida last week, said he thought the proposal was meritorious but did not belong in the emergency bailout bill.

    Some analysts saw Obama’s statement as a practical recognition of political reality: Republicans would never accept the bankruptcy provision, and the bailout plan was too important to the economy to jeopardize. The Illinois senator’s position drew cheers from business and banking lobbyists and from Republicans.

    Consumer and labor advocates consider Obama a friend, but his statement rankled. They say that current law has made it more difficult for homeowners to work their way out of difficult financial straits and that a change in the rules would have eased the crisis for all concerned.

    The skirmish was part of a larger war waged on Capitol Hill over the last decade. For years, banking and credit interests fought to make it more difficult for consumers to apply for bankruptcy protection and finally won in 2005, when Congress passed a bankruptcy revision bill.

    But the seven-year battle was so expensive and memorable that advocates were reluctant to reopen any aspect of the issue, especially in the midst of an emotion-charged debate over the financial crisis.

    To the backers of the change, Obama’s statement was an enormous disappointment. In their view, Obama and the congressional leadership missed an opportunity to amend the bankruptcy code in a way that could have resolved a big part of the current crisis.

    “The heart of the current problem is the foreclosure crisis,” said Maureen Thompson, legislative director for the National Coalition of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys, which worked with labor and consumer groups pushing the proposal. “It is the foreclosures that caused this economy to go into a tailspin.”

    A modification of the bankruptcy law passed in the late 1970s “would allow people to stay in their homes, make their loan payments, stabilize families, neighborhoods and the real estate market,” Thompson said.

    The business lobbyists countered that modifying bankruptcy law in this fashion would create “a rush to bankruptcy courts across the country,” as Joe Belew, president of the Consumer Bankers Assn., put it in a letter sent to members of the Senate last week. The Senate version of the bill had included the proposed change.

    Republicans on Capitol Hill argued that altering bankruptcy law would raise costs for consumers and businesses and create a boon for trial lawyers, who generally back Democrats. One e-mail from the business coalition to lawmakers warned that inclusion of the bankruptcy provision would exacerbate the current situation.

    “Authorizing write-downs of mortgages by bankruptcy judges will increase the risks of mortgage lending at a time when the market is already struggling and this will harm consumers by increasing the cost of credit and reducing its availability,” said the e-mail written jointly by the bankers lobby, the home builders lobby, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and others.

    Although modification of bankruptcy laws was rejected, the compromise bill approved Sunday contained language encouraging help for homeowners. Thompson said that provisions to help homeowners were little different from voluntary homeowner protections already in place.

    “My view is that the plan included in the bill is not likely to be effective or fair,” she said. “They missed a real opportunity to help homeowners” and the nation.

    Some in the coalition backing the change have indicated they will nonetheless support the bill.

    “I will reluctantly hold my nose and support this package,” said Terence O’Sullivan, president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, who says his members are livid at the idea of using tax dollars to bail out Wall Street.

    The failure to include a bankruptcy law modification “doesn’t sit well with me,” he said. “The bankruptcy provision was a big one for us.”

    tom.hamburger@latimes.com

    Times staff writer David G. Savage contributed to this report.

  107. bluegirl – I think what’s going on is that the BO campaign is getting ready to play defense against whatever the Republicans have on the Fraud, thus the so-called “truth squads” which will be every in-the-tank official playing the race card loudly.

  108. The Illinois senator’s position drew cheers from business and banking lobbyists and from Republicans.

    Consumer and labor advocates consider Obama a friend, but his statement rankled. They say that current law has made it more difficult for homeowners to work their way out of difficult financial straits and that a change in the rules would have eased the crisis for all concerned.
    ——————————————–
    So Hillarys deal would have protected homeowners vs Bambis deal protected Wall Street yet consumer and labor groups consider Bambi a friend?????? The writer Tom Hamburger fails to explore that anomoly which leads me to believe that he is a bot.

  109. How McCain Stirred a Simmering Pot

    When Sen. John McCain made his way to the Capitol office of House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) just past noon on Thursday, he intended to “just touch gloves” with House Republican leaders, according to one congressional aide, and get ready for the afternoon bailout summit at the White House.

    Instead, Rep. Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, was waiting to give him an earful. The $700 billion Wall Street rescue, as laid out by Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., was never going to fly with House Republicans, Ryan said. The plan had to be fundamentally reworked, relying instead on a new program of mortgage insurance paid not by the taxpayers but by the banking industry.

    McCain listened, then, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), he burst into the Senate Republican policy luncheon. Over a Tex-Mex buffet, Sens. Robert F. Bennett (Utah) and Judd Gregg (N.H.) had been explaining the contours of a deal just reached. House Republicans were not buying it. Then McCain spoke.

    “I appreciate what you’ve done here, but I’m not going to sign on to a deal just to sign the deal,” McCain told the gathering, according to Graham and confirmed by multiple Senate GOP aides. “Just like Iraq, I’m not afraid to go it alone if I need to.”

    For a moment, as Graham described it, “you could hear a pin drop. It was just unbelievable.” Then pandemonium. By the time the meeting broke up, the agreement touted just hours before — one that Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the No. 3 GOP leader, estimated would be supported by more than 40 Senate Republicans — was in shambles.

    An incendiary mix of presidential politics, delicate dealmaking and market instability played out Thursday in a tableau of high drama, with $700 billion and the U.S. economy possibly in the balance. McCain’s presence was only one of the complicating factors. Sen. Barack Obama played his part, with a hectoring performance behind closed doors at the White House. And a brewing House Republican leadership fight helped scramble allegiances in the GOP.

    It is unclear whether the day’s events will prove to be historically significant or a mere political sideshow. If the administration and lawmakers forge an agreement largely along the lines of the deal they had reached before McCain’s arrival Thursday, the tumult will have been a momentary speed bump. If the deal collapses, the recriminations spawned that day will be fierce.

    But if a final deal incorporates House Republican principles while leaning most heavily on the accord between the administration, House Democrats and Senate Republicans, all sides will be able to claim some credit — even if the legislation is not popular with voters.

    “If there is a deal with the House involved, it’s because of John McCain,” Graham, one of the Arizonan’s closest friends in the Senate, said yesterday.

    In truth, McCain’s dramatic announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign and come to Washington for the bailout talks had wide repercussions.

    Democrats, eager to reach a deal before McCain could claim credit, hunkered down and made real progress ahead of his arrival. Conservative Republicans in the House reacted as well, according to aides who were part of the talks.

    The Republican Study Committee, an enclave of House conservatives, had already begun turning against the Paulson plan. When McCain announced his return, the conservatives feared he would forge an agreement largely along Paulson’s lines, with slight alterations and the GOP leadership’s blessing.

    Read the rest at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092603957.html?nav=rss_politics

    Although from very conservative sites Obama’s part in the meeting went more like this:

    It ended up with Obama essentially chairing the meeting, with the meeting falling apart. The president was described as “beleaguered,” trying to regain control of the meeting. McCain didn’t say hardly anything. Everybody was yelling and screaming in there. McCain did not. He said, “We’ve gotta put these differences aside, work together,” you know, typical McCain. “According to an Obama campaign source…” and this is from the American Spectator blog today. “According to an Obama campaign source, the notes on the Republican position, House Republican position were passed to Obama via senior aides traveling with him who had been e-mailed the document via a current Goldman Sachs employee and Wall Street fundraiser for the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign source said, ‘It was made clear the memo was from friends and it was reliable.’ The memo, which basically briefed Obama on the Republican position…”

    You see, Obama did not defend the Democrat position on this. He led off with an attack on the Republican position, as though it was a shock and a surprise, under the auspices that this deal had already been agreed to. When of course there’s no surprise about what House Republicans believe and there’s no surprise what conservatism is. “The memo allowed Obama and his fellow Democrats to box in Republican attendees and essentially took what President Bush had billed as a negotiating meeting off the rails.” Now, “‘Paulson and his team have not acted in good faith for this President or the administration for which they serve,’ says a House Republican leader who was not present at the White House meeting” and told the American Spectator. Paulson — Goldman Sachs — is a Democrat. He’s very close to Chuck Schumer, and obviously close to Obama.

    So this whole meeting yesterday essentially was established to show off Obama’s leadership skills and negotiating skills, and he blew it. People who disagree with him, he has no idea how to negotiate with. Even Obama ended up last night on TV. I think the Democrats were so frightened that the truth would come out about what happened in this meeting.
    =========
    Looks like we can thank John McCain for the a better plan then what we were going to get and how in the world is Obama going to lead the world when he can’t even lead a meeting.

  110. If I posted something twice sorry, there seems to be a very long delay as to when I post something and when it shows up.

  111. I know bambi is the second coming but there is a little problem with his capitualtion. If winter-comes (which it will) and lenders commence forclosure proceedings (which they will) and the people (and their children )are evicted where will they go in the dead of winter and who will buy those empty houses? Earth to Bambi: sir when you get done taking those victroy laps around wall street and broad street in lower Manhattan may we have a minute of your precious time?

  112. H. Big Business Shill: whether the issue is his failure to help poor tenants freezing in a Chicago slum in his district, the watering down of legislation to protect people from the nuclear hazard (Exelon), the reversal of his promise to review the impact of NAFTA on the American people (which his surrogate privately retracted before the Canadian government), his reversal on Campaign Finance Reform (which would have reduced the leverage of Big Business over elections), his reversal on FISA (which would have protected the civil liberties against corporate governmental eavesdropping), his support for billion dollar tax subsidies for Big Oil (who are gouging the public) or his recent legislative initiative to send nearly a trillion dollars to Africa (when we need that money here at home) the answer is always the same: when there is a conflict of interest between Big Business and Americans he consistently comes down on the side of business. From a business perspective the formula is this: find yourself a politician like Barack who has political power and no discernable core values to constrain him. Present your proposal, identify the political path, make him look good and contribute to his campaign. That is fine for the businessman, fine for Barack, but where does it leave the American People in a Global Economy?

  113. And the cruel irony of this is the people who supporrted Bambi over Hillary in the primary based soley on race are the same ones he ended up throwing under the bus in this instance. But as Reagan used to say you aint seen nothing yet.

  114. HOUNDS and now the truth squad. To think I once respected ed rendell. No More. And I feel it is incumbant on me as a PA resident to vote a straight Republican ticket. (caps omission is definately intentional as I was taught that only a proper noun deserved caps and there is nothing proper about the dimocratic party)

  115. shame on the gop for blocking the bill unless the provision allowing consumers to go to bankruptcy court over mortgage greivance. shame on them. they must really want to lose this one. oh and mccain-your losing me quick. get on board and stand up for some consumer rights. um isnt that why they call u a amverick. im sick of the lot

  116. texan
    “shame on the gop for blocking the bill unless the provision allowing consumers to go to bankruptcy court over mortgage greivance. shame on them.”

    HUH?

  117. shame on the gop for threatening to block the bill unless the provision allowing consumers to go to bankruptcy court over mortgage greivances is removed. shame on them. i hope hillary can fight on in the senate on this one.

  118. texan
    I agree but also disagree to my understanding some of the people who took out loans that they could not afford proceeded to refinance and also accepted the in the mail loans. Save thier homes perhaps, but allowing them to walk away with the home they are living in and bear no responsibility for other debt?

  119. its the fault of our govt for allowing predatory lending. for 30 yrs this crap hs been given more and more deregulation and now kaboom. hillary is right-freeze these home forclosures to get thsi sorted out and create new deal home mortgage program etc… everyone who got a home loan isnt innocent-but i think most were bamboozled and the govt allowed it.

  120. texan
    I agree with HRC and I think I agree with you now. IF we stop the forclosures that is one thing but if we allow debt forgiveness or bankruptcy on additional debts to the same people. I say no. I have not had the opp to look the proposal over but I understand that the same predatory lenders sent cash this check loans to customers and I understand how tempting it can be to cash a 5,000 loan at the beginning of the school year or as vacation times arrives. Yet why should the person who has never extended themselves pay through the nose? Over the last couple of days I have heard that people see it as the poor guy gets a skate when he didn’t take responsibility and the rich guy losing nothing. But the middle of the road guy footing the bill.

  121. I will renew my post of a day or two ago.

    Perhaps it is time for us to send a message to Bill and Hill. As supporters, we are understanding of their support of their party’s nominee, but there has to be a limit to what they and we can close our eyes to.

    We understand their forgiving the cheating in the primaries but not the denial and the stealing of our votes.

    We understand the control of the convention but not the strong-arming of our delegates whom we sent to vote for Hill,

    We understand campaign spin and hardball tactics.

    Here’s what we cannot overlook:

    A secret lunch meeting in which votes are taken from Hill and given to Obama in a state where he wasn’t on the ballot. Those are OUR votes, and don’t belong to the DNC or anyone else.

    Lying about his past, especially a 5-year collaboration with Wm Ayers to radicalize students to “resist the oppression and racism in America”.
    He described Ayers as “just a guy in the neighborhood”.

    Stifling of criticism. Critics are called “racists” and now they are being threatened with prosecution in MO.

    Calling an American hero “dishonorable”, criticizing him for his war wounds, and lying about him.

    Democrats supporting ACORN, a proven corrupt organization and Obama’s client, and shoving a huge windfall to ACORN in the rescue plan. Conflict of interest??

    If the Clintons can’t abandon Obama, they can at least withdraw or call Obama on it. At the moment, our Democratic party is more corrupt than the Republicans and it would be a disaster for the Dems to control both houses and the White House.

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    I wish people would punch up or substitute the grievances I enumerated and find e-mail addresses for the Clintons.

  122. freckles: Get a life.The Clintons and their supporters and that includes a big and old me are more aware of all of the Hustlers quotes moves plans evil intentions schemes and intentions than perhaps anyone out there that call themselves advisers pundits and journalists.Just let up on the doubts and criticisms and keep the faith.The MSM and the SSM are the enemies of our democracy driven by big money power and greed supplied by the money interests of the troubled world around us. A financial and yes a military apocolypse is much closer than at any time in our history and we must not let The Hustler be given the power that the DNC has beystowed on him by hook and by CROOK.Join us and support Bill and Hillary. Doubt and Frustration can only lead to defeat.

    BY ABM90

  123. Obama is pulling out all the tactics he can right now, he is falling terribly in secure Democrat States of California and NY and if you read the polling stats deeper, the call basis for the polls are bogus, an Axelrod tactic.”
    *****************************************************
    I watched Bill Maher last night for a few minutes and I must say I LOVE Nader for STANDING UP and calling out Bill’s Mysoginistic, Elites crap on Gov. Palin.

    Nader told Bill he would not participate in the sexist crap and that this is why most people hate the intellectuals elitist snobs. He had Bill on the defensive about his remarks of Bimbo and Slut and others demeaning names.

    The lady from NRO was just useless, another east coast elitist snob who was just laughing at Bill’s joke on McCain and Palin.

  124. Sarah Palin wins the lowered expectations game
    Posted by Susan J. Demas September 28, 2008 07:32AM
    Associated Press

    Sarah PalinDid Sarah Palin’s nonsensical blathering to Katie Couric successfully lower the bar for her debate that all she needs to do is speak coherently to win?

    I’m wondering if the McCain campaign doesn’t really mind that conservatives are leaping off the Palin bandwagon in droves. (The piece from a female National Review columnist who used to be Palin’s biggest champion and now calls for her to drop out for the good of the country is particularly devastating. As is a curmudgeon’s rant that if a Palin presidency “doesn’t scare the hell out of you, it should.”)

    The McCain campaign might not even mind that her poll numbers have plummeted, with only 40 percent saying she’s prepared to be president vs. 64 percent for Joe Biden.

    In fact, I believe they’ve turned it into a strategy. The fact that they leaked to a liberal radio host that Palin is shockingly unprepared is no coincidence. It’s called strategy.

    Not that the McCain folks wanted Palin to sound as unprepared and ridiculous as she has in interviews and the one time in a month she’s taken a couple questions from reporters. But in politics, you take what you’ve got and turn it into a positive. At this point, if Palin doesn’t drool on stage, they’ll claim victory.

    The message will be fairly similar to Karl Rove’s spinning of George W. Bush in 2000. What the Bush campaign essentially said was that everyone knows their guy wasn’t too bright. And look, he showed up on stage in a suit and knew foreign leaders’ names. And the other guy rudely sighed at him. Tell me Bush isn’t presidential.

    They’ve already given Palin the Bush treatment. Rove took Bush’s intellectual incuriosity and inflexibility and turned it into the markings of a strong, principled leader. Palin’s inexperience and incuriosity makes her authentic, the McCain campaign says. She’s just like you. You don’t know where Waziristan is, do you? But don’t worry. John McCain has been there.

    After Palin’s Republican National Convention speech, she was the odds-on favorite to win the debate. Joe Biden was sure to know more, but be a condescending and overbearing guy to that nice hockey mom.

    The McCain campaign won a structured format to favor her. There won’t be free-flowing exchanges like between Obama and McCain. The strict time periods are designed for zingers and sound bites, which are Palin’s forte.

    The Obama campaign’s attempts to paint her as a skilled debater have been greeted with chuckles. But Palin has been underestimated in debates in Alaska and won.

    Why? Lowered expectations. No one expects her to know as much as Biden. But traditional debates favor talking points, which Palin can memorize, and attacks, which she lands with glee. America might just love the comely mom of five telling off the blowhard senator. Stick it to the man, Sarah!

    Coupled with the fact that it will be viewed as a huge victory that she can just pronounce the name of Waziristan, it looks like Sarah Palin will be declared the winner just by showing up.

    blog.mlive.com/capitolchronicles/2008/09/sarah_palin_and_the_lowered_ex.html

  125. Democrats on Hill Worried About Biden at Debate
    September 29, 2008 7:34 AM

    There doesn’t seem to be a single Democratic officeholder on Capitol Hill who thinks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is better qualified to be vice president than Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del. Many don’t think she’s qualified at all.

    But as the two vice presidential nominees prepare for their one debate this Thursday, there are a number of Democrats who, off the record, say they’re worried that despite his far greater breadth of knowledge, Biden could whiff it.

    He can be verbose and has a propensity for gaffes, they say. The son-of-Scranton candor they usually find charming can sometimes seem reckless or insensitive.

    That Biden will be debating the first Republican woman vice presidential nominee makes his challenge all the greater.

    In recent weeks, in fact, Biden has taken advice from Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, presumably offering tips on how to debate women without seeming sexist or bullying.

    On Sunday, Obama’s chief strategist David Axelrod sought to lower expectations. Much of this is spin, but some of it is quite legitimately rooted in Biden’s occasional charge to open-mouth-insert-foot.

    “I think Governor Palin is a skilled politician,” said Axelrod, per ABC News’ Matt Jaffe. “She got elected in a very tough political arena against tough opponents and we’re going to treat her with the respect that she deserves.”

    Axelrod said, “I fully expect her to be ready for this debate, and I think there will be a great deal of interest in this. I think it will be a well-watched debate, so it’s going to be important… She’s very skilled and she’ll be well-prepared. I know she’s preparing this weekend. As you saw at the convention, she can be very good, so I think it would be foolish to assume that this going isn’t going to be a really challenging debate. We’re preparing for that, on that assumption.”

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/democrats-on-hi.html

  126. How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to ‘win’ Thursday’s VP debate

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html

  127. Biden and Palin hail from 2 states having little in common
    By NICOLE GAUDIANO • Gannett News Service • September 29, 2008

    WASHINGTON – His state is the oldest in the nation. Hers is among the newest. His state is so small, it begs the question: DelaWhere? Hers is the largest, so big that 288 little Delawares could fit within Alaska’s borders.

    The country’s choices for the next vice president – Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Sarah Palin – couldn’t hail from more opposite ends of the American spectrum – politically, culturally and geographically.

    It’s not just that his state has voted for the Democrat in the last four presidential elections while hers went for the Republican. Or even his short, 82-mile train ride to Washington compared with her short distance from Russia.

    It’s that his state has dog parks. Her state’s official sport is dog mushing.

    “Alaska is the frontier,” said Frank Popper, a land use planner who teaches at Princeton and Rutgers universities. “I’m sure from the point of view of someone who is truly Alaskan, Delaware feels like it’s Europe.

    “These are the spiritual descendents of Daniel Boone, who generally said when he could see people across the valley at night because of their fires it was time to move on.”

    Palin and Biden may not be trying to represent their states in terms of the personas they’re projecting on the campaign trail, said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institute in Washington. Biden has spent significant time emphasizing his small town, blue-collar Scranton, Pa., roots while Palin could just as easily be from a small town in Iowa.

    But the different worlds they have represented throughout their adult lives inform who they are and their politics. That’s perhaps even more so the case for Palin, whose widely circulated image with her hunting trophy – a slain caribou – has become an iconic symbol of her life on the wild frontier.

    “Joe Biden is kind of your average East Coast politician,” Frey said. “He’s a Democrat and you could plug him in anywhere. New Jersey. New York. Her roots influence much more who she is simply because she comes from such a unique place that’s very different from the rest of the United States.”

    While a good part of Delaware is in the Philadelphia region, Alaska’s city populations live mostly in smaller urban clusters. Having only become a state in 1959, some of its municipal boundaries were established as recently as within the last 20 years.

    Perhaps fittingly, the politician from the oldest state is among the most senior members of the Senate. Meanwhile, Palin’s seemingly meteoric rise to the governorship of Alaska after six years as a small-town mayor reflects Alaska’s frontier of opportunity.

    “People here are stretched more than they are in a place like Delaware,” said Jerry McBeath, a political science professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. McBeath said he became known as an authority on state politics after just 10 years on the job. “I could never do that in Delaware.”

    For its size, not many people live in Alaska. It has about 680,000 residents compared with Delaware’s 860,000. Those populations give the states one similarity: three electoral votes.

    There’s something else they have in common: Neither state has a state sales tax.

    Popper said Alaskans seem serious about the motto on their license plates: The last frontier.

    Meanwhile, there is no strong Delaware image or stereotype, he said. There’s not even much of a distinct accent.

    But as adaptable politicians, they might survive if they switched home states.

    Wouldn’t Palin enjoy the annual Punkin Chunkin contest, where people build contraptions to hurl pumpkins through the air? Wouldn’t Biden learn to field dress a moose?

  128. Good Morning.

    I just heard this on MJ. Is it true?

    Joe says that when he was against BC in 1992 the deficit was 4 billion and that now, after the bail-out package, the deficit will be 11 and a half TRILLION!!!!!

    Did i hear this right? And friggin Tweetie talking about it saying the rich willwalk away with everything (just like on the Titanic) and Joe SQUAT won’t get a dime and he says that’s the normal (and therefore correct???) outcome> Grrrrr……

    Also, anyone know who’s moderating the Palin-Biden debate?

  129. Gwen Ifill is moderating the Palin/Biden debate and Axlerod is pumping up expectations for Sarah Palin.

    In reference to the Jopek bracelet news. I talked one on one with Ryan David Jopek’s mother yesterday. There seems to be differing views NOW with the soldier’s mother and father who are now divorced. The mother said that the memory of the son was a “private” thing and the husband reported through news reports that the mother had sent emails to the Obama campaign and evidently to him saying that she wished Obama not to mention her son and/or not to wear the bracelet. Obama or someone from Obama’s campaign talked to the mother’s brother recently who lives in New Mexico and sent a message through them to the mother. So, now the mother is evidently okay with Obama wearing the bracelet, she did not say that she was now okay with him mentioning the son. She gave me permission to wear her son’s name on a bracelet and I will be honored to do that, as well I will wear Matthew Stanley’s name that McCain honors by wearing a bracelet.
    The mother is an Obama supporter and the father is a McCain supporter. Just minutes ago on Fox, Gibbs danced around the reports of the father and said that it was not true that what reports are saying about the mother. I have the impression that the mother changed her mind about Obama mentioning her son after the contact with her brother and a message from Obama relayed through to the mother. Gibbs kept saying he would be the fact checker for Fox because they got their facts wrong……..and then proceeded to call the mother Mary Jopek. I am here to tell Gibbs that unless the mother’s first name is Mary, then he has that very important fact wrong because her name is Tracey Jopek. Shhhesh, Obama did not remember the child’s name and had to look at his bracelet, now Gibbs does not remember the mother’s name correctly. The mother was surprised when Obama talked about her son because from talking to her, she evidently did tell him that it was a “private” matter. The father seems to disagree with Obama’s polliticalization of his son. I support the father’s right to object even if the mother does not mind – in my mind if either parent disagrees with the use of their son’s name, the objection overrules the agreement of the other parents. IMHO.

  130. US elections: Barack Obama’s team believes he can win by a landslide

    Barack Obama’s senior aides believe he is on course for a landslide election victory over John McCain and will comfortably exceed most current predictions in the race for the White House.

  131. US elections: Barack Obama’s team believes he can win by a landslide

    Barack Obama’s senior aides believe he is on course for a landslide election victory over John McCain and will comfortably exceed most current predictions in the race for the White House.

    Their optimism, which is said to be shared by the Democratic candidate himself, is based on information from private polling and on faith in the powerful political organisation he has built in the key swing states.

    Insiders say that Mr Obama’s apparent calm through an unusually turbulent election season is because he believes that his strength among first time voters in several key states has been underestimated, both by the media and by the Republican Party.

    Mr Obama has come under fire from within Democratic ranks over his message and his tactics. Critics say he has failed to connect with the blue-collar workers seen as crucial to winning the election, and too reluctant to make direct attacks on Mr McCain.

    But his aides are convinced that he has a strong chance of winning no fewer than nine states won by George W.Bush in the closely contested 2000 election, including former Republican strongholds like North Carolina, Virginia and even Indiana, which have not voted Democrat for a generation.

    David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, said last week that Obama had “a lot of opportunity” in states which Mr Bush won four years ago.

    But in private briefings in Washington, a member of Mr Obama’s inner circle of policy advisers went much further in spelling out why the campaign’s working assumptions far exceed the expectations of independent observers.

    “Public polling companies and the media have underestimated the scale of new Democratic voters registration in these states,” the campaign official told a friend. “We’re much stronger on the ground in Virginia and North Carolina than people realise. If we get out the vote this may not be close at all.”

    To win the presidency, Mr Obama must win 270 votes in the Electoral College, which awards votes to the winner of each state broadly in proportion to the size of the population.

    Statewide surveys put the likely Electoral College result at a slender Obama win, 273-265. But his campaign staff believe they have a good chance of securing between 330 and 340 votes, and could win up to 364 votes, a landslide on the scale of Bill Clinton’s wins.

    The senior Obama advisor said that the Democratic nominee is confident of winning all the states held by John Kerry, the Democratic candidate four years ago, a total of 252 votes.

    But his team believes he can also bank victories in Iowa, where he first emerged as a force in the campaign in January, and New Mexico, where Mr Kerry only lost by 20,000 votes in 2004. Those states would leave him just six votes short of outright victory.

    Taking Colorado, as Mr Obama’s team are very confident of doing, would put him over the top. Even winning the smaller state of Nevada, with its five electoral votes, would be enough to guarantee a 269-269 tie with Mr McCain. If that happens, the US consititution would hand the decision over to the Democrat dominated US House of Representatives, which would presumably come down in Mr Obama’s favour.

    Most pollsters would regard those expectations as uncontroversial. But the Obama camp is also confident of winning Ohio and Virginia, which commentators believe are “toss up” states with the two candidates chances at 50/50.

    Last week Mr Obama began investing heavily in advertising in Indiana, Florida and North Carolina, which many had supposed to be a waste of time and money.

    A Washington official who has discussed the electoral mathematics with one of Mr Obama’s senior advisers told The Sunday Telegraph that the campaign is spending money only in states which it believes can, and indeed ought to, be won.

    “Obama has many more paths to the nomination than McCain,” the source said. “They think they can defend the Kerry states. Iowa is gone. That’s five votes. New Mexico is in the bag. Then Obama has four or five different ways of winning. He can go Nevada or Colorado, Virginia, any of those, even Indiana.

    “McCain has got to run the board, the whole Bush table. He can probably lose New Mexico and Iowa. He can’t afford to lose anything else.”

    The official added: “The poll numbers say Florida’s back in play. McCain hasn’t spent a single penny there and that’s Obama’s calculation, that he can capitalise on that. The Republicans can’t lose Florida or they’re done for.”

    Conventional wisdom among pollsters is that Mr Obama is at risk of losing both Michigan and Pennsylvania and possibly even Wisconsin, all large Kerry states whose loss would be a damaging blow.

    But the Obama camp believes that Wisconsin in safe and that he has strengthened his position in Pennsylvania with a good ground operation. Michigan, home of the Reagan Democrats, is a concern because Mr Obama did not campaign there in the primaries and race relations are raw, but they are confident they can hang on to his slender lead in the polls.

    Mainstream pollsters on both sides of the aisle last week called the election as a dead heat. Mark Mellman, who was John Kerry’s polling guru, said the 2008 election is “increasingly resembling the real map of 2004” and Matthew Dowd, a top strategist on Bush’s re-election campaign, added: “States that were reliably red are reliably red, and states that were reliably blue are reliably blue.”

    But Mr Obama’s campaign team reject that analysis. Their confidence that good organisation will more than compensate for latent racism will be reassuring to some Democrats, who were concerned by a poll last weekend that found Mr Obama would be six points higher in the polls if he were white.

    The scale of their ambition will trouble those Democratic sceptics who consider Mr Obama’s aides to be complacent and inexperienced in national campaigns

  132. Their optimism, which is said to be shared by the Democratic candidate himself, is based on information from private polling and on faith in the powerful political organisation he has built in the key swing states.

    Insiders say that Mr Obama’s apparent calm through an unusually turbulent election season is because he believes that his strength among first time voters in several key states has been underestimated, both by the media and by the Republican Party.

    Mr Obama has come under fire from within Democratic ranks over his message and his tactics. Critics say he has failed to connect with the blue-collar workers seen as crucial to winning the election, and too reluctant to make direct attacks on Mr McCain.

    But his aides are convinced that he has a strong chance of winning no fewer than nine states won by George W.Bush in the closely contested 2000 election, including former Republican strongholds like North Carolina, Virginia and even Indiana, which have not voted Democrat for a generation.

    David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, said last week that Obama had “a lot of opportunity” in states which Mr Bush won four years ago.

    But in private briefings in Washington, a member of Mr Obama’s inner circle of policy advisers went much further in spelling out why the campaign’s working assumptions far exceed the expectations of independent observers

  133. “Public polling companies and the media have underestimated the scale of new Democratic voters registration in these states,” the campaign official told a friend. “We’re much stronger on the ground in Virginia and North Carolina than people realise. If we get out the vote this may not be close at all.”

    To win the presidency, Mr Obama must win 270 votes in the Electoral College, which awards votes to the winner of each state broadly in proportion to the size of the population.

    Statewide surveys put the likely Electoral College result at a slender Obama win, 273-265. But his campaign staff believe they have a good chance of securing between 330 and 340 votes, and could win up to 364 votes, a landslide on the scale of Bill Clinton’s wins.

    The senior Obama advisor said that the Democratic nominee is confident of winning all the states held by John Kerry, the Democratic candidate four years ago, a total of 252 votes.

    But his team believes he can also bank victories in Iowa, where he first emerged as a force in the campaign in January, and New Mexico, where Mr Kerry only lost by 20,000 votes in 2004. Those states would leave him just six votes short of outright victory.

    Taking Colorado, as Mr Obama’s team are very confident of doing, would put him over the top. Even winning the smaller state of Nevada, with its five electoral votes, would be enough to guarantee a 269-269 tie with Mr McCain. If that happens, the US consititution would hand the decision over to the Democrat dominated US House of Representatives, which would presumably come down in Mr Obama’s favour.

    Most pollsters would regard those expectations as uncontroversial. But the Obama camp is also confident of winning Ohio and Virginia, which commentators believe are “toss up” states with the two candidates chances at 50/50.

  134. Something is wrong with this mother, I would have asked for the bracelet back, especially when he could not remember the name. Shows you how much he cared about the bracelet.

    I keep telling people something is wrong, i am beginning to really beleive this man is the devil.

  135. Last week Mr Obama began investing heavily in advertising in Indiana, Florida and North Carolina, which many had supposed to be a waste of time and money.

    A Washington official who has discussed the electoral mathematics with one of Mr Obama’s senior advisers told The Sunday Telegraph that the campaign is spending money only in states which it believes can, and indeed ought to, be won.

    “Obama has many more paths to the nomination than McCain,” the source said. “They think they can defend the Kerry states. Iowa is gone. That’s five votes. New Mexico is in the bag. Then Obama has four or five different ways of winning. He can go Nevada or Colorado, Virginia, any of those, even Indiana.

    “McCain has got to run the board, the whole Bush table. He can probably lose New Mexico and Iowa. He can’t afford to lose anything else.”

    The official added: “The poll numbers say Florida’s back in play. McCain hasn’t spent a single penny there and that’s Obama’s calculation, that he can capitalise on that. The Republicans can’t lose Florida or they’re done for.”

    Conventional wisdom among pollsters is that Mr Obama is at risk of losing both Michigan and Pennsylvania and possibly even Wisconsin, all large Kerry states whose loss would be a damaging blow.

    But the Obama camp believes that Wisconsin in safe and that he has strengthened his position in Pennsylvania with a good ground operation. Michigan, home of the Reagan Democrats, is a concern because Mr Obama did not campaign there in the primaries and race relations are raw, but they are confident they can hang on to his slender lead in the polls.

    Mainstream pollsters on both sides of the aisle last week called the election as a dead heat. Mark Mellman, who was John Kerry’s polling guru, said the 2008 election is “increasingly resembling the real map of 2004” and Matthew Dowd, a top strategist on Bush’s re-election campaign, added: “States that were reliably red are reliably red, and states that were reliably blue are reliably blue.”

    But Mr Obama’s campaign team reject that analysis. Their confidence that good organisation will more than compensate for latent racism will be reassuring to some Democrats, who were concerned by a poll last weekend that found Mr Obama would be six points higher in the polls if he were white.

    The scale of their ambition will trouble those Democratic sceptics who consider Mr Obama’s aides to be complacent and inexperienced in national campaig

  136. Basil9,

    Joe Biden is lying because one of the biggest complaints against Reagen is that he ran the deficit up to 3 trillion…blah, blah, blah

    Right now it’s inflation and this country transferring hundrend of billions of dollars to countries that don’t like us for oil. I don’t trust the Democrats to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. importing 70% of Oil overseas is just an outrageous number and a threat to our security.

    At the same time diversifying our energy is a very smart thing to do…these are very doable goals for are country…but it will be a fight between special interest groups that are happy our country is heading over a clift.

  137. I just got am email forwarded to me by my daughter in Alabama. McCain is asking for feet on the ground in battleground states, especially in Flordia. Anyone able to come to Florida especially in the lat 72 hours of the campaign? I will and have been working my butt off here in Central Florida.

  138. I get the feeling that Team Obama just realized that their trashing of Palin worked against them.

    All the pressure is on Joe Biden, not on Sarah Palin she just have to return to that person at the convention and she wins. No one expect her to win foreign policy questions but they do want to see her look the part.

    That’s why Axelrod is NOW talking her up…after weeks of the campaign and surrogants tearing her down.

  139. ShortTermer I am in Tampa, I don’t have a ton of time though my kids come first and they are special needs. But if its simple stuff I can do that. But I’ll tell you, there are more McCain yard signs around here than Obama, and I saw my first Hillary bumper sticker the other day. Personally I don’t think Forida is really in play, but I can understand the concern.

  140. neetabug Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 9:13 am
    Something is wrong with this mother, I would have asked for the bracelet back, especially when he could not remember the name. Shows you how much he cared about the bracelet.

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    She thought he was being respectful by looking down, I have seen that alot on dem blogs. Funny people see what they want to see. We saw him being oportunistic, not even knowing the kid’s name, and she saw it as him being respectful. I don’t think the father likes it though, its his son too.

  141. I heard on the news McCain not happy with the way bushie advisor’s are handling Sarah. So he sent his two top guys down, sounds like he is finally going to take all the advice and turn her lose. Also changing the strategy on the say she is being prepped for the debate. Good news.

  142. meiyingsu,

    Those articles are all very depressing.

    why post them here?

    Thanks shortermer.

    Carby, my question is was the deficit only 4 billion in 1992 and now it’s 11 TRILLION?

  143. Most pollsters would regard those expectations as uncontroversial. But the Obama camp is also confident of winning Ohio and Virginia, which commentators believe are “toss up” states with the two candidates chances at 50/50.

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    I think that is wishful thinking, or arrogance. I don’t think he’ll take Ohio. They love Sarah there, and I think she will make the difference. I was on a PUMA site last night and a corn farmer carved her likeness into his crop. LOL! Can’t have much more Sarah love than that!

  144. basil9,

    I posted it here because I hope we don’t underestimate BHO. I have been very depressing since the Friday debate. it seem like last October again.

  145. wbboei Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Maybe somebody got wise and whispered in his ear that what he was trying to do was a violation of the First Amendment.
    ————————-

    Some constitutional law professor !

  146. “Public polling companies and the media have underestimated the scale of new Democratic voters registration in these states,” the campaign official told a friend. “We’re much stronger on the ground in Virginia and North Carolina than people realise. If we get out the vote this may not be close at all.”
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    They said this in 2004 too. Remember that rock the vote thing? Going to get all the young people out there to vote for Kerry. Mass numbers of new voters, it was going to be a landslide. Didn’t happen. They stayed home. they say it every time. It never happens. Maybe it will this time because of the AA thing, don’t know. But it has been a losing strategy in the past. And remember one thing. There is a survey done every year ( I can not remember if it is a census, but I think so, it wouldn’t be hard to go find it) and 60% of Americans identify themselves as either conservative or very conservative. Its a question way down the list, and you never hear anyone talk about it. If that’s the case, and they all vote republican (which some vote unitarian etc), then if McCain plus Sarah can pull in the repubs as well as all the other conserv offshoots, which I think she can, and they all actually go to the poll to vote, then this shouldn’t even be close. So it will come down to getting the vote out, and making sure people show up, and keeping the voter fraud out of it as much as possible. And then you have the PUMA’s, most of who will either stay home, write in Hillary, or vote for McCain. Obama isn’t counting us, he thinks we will come around, or we don’t matter cause he has enough new voters to offset us. But this little secret about how most people in this country lean is why you see rigged polls and trying to squash freedom of speech, and Barry trying to come to the center, cause it is a very small number of American’s who identify themselves as very liberal and they want to discourage those of us who are pushing for McCain into thinking we have already lost so we won’t show up, cause they know if all of us do, they can’t possibly win.

  147. McCain, House Republicans win
    By Jim Wooten | Monday, September 29, 2008, 08:04 AM

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    No question House Republicans did succeed in making the $700 billion bailout proposal better — and credit should go to John McCain for pushing their concerns to center stage.

    One feature that could have turned into a major-league boondoggle and payoff to Democratic activists — the provision that would set aside 20 percent of profits for affordable housing — was stripped from the bill over the weekend.

    Another potential show-stopper was a provision — also stripped away — that would allow bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgages. Mortgage contracts would mean nothing and it’s certain that higher mortgages for everybody else would follow as lenders built in enough financial cushion to protect themselves from that uncertainty.

    House Republicans won in part, too, on their insistence that financial institutions holding bad debt be allowed to buy government-backed insurance as an alternative to dumping that debt onto taxpayers. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson predicts that not many companies will choose that option, but it does nevertheless encourage them to work out their own troubled loan problems.

    It’s uncertain now House Republicans will vote yes on the bailout, but passing it is essential. And it’s unlikely to get much better.

    McCain made the right decision in returning to Washington and speaking up for conservatives in the House. He won. They won.

    The course now is to vote yes.

    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2008/09/29/no_question_house_republicans.html
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    Here’s the reason why the provision for the courts to modify the mortgates was striped and that Sec. Paulson is too much of a company man to Wall Street. If these companies are coming to the fed and they need to push the insurance plan onto companies and not make it so automatic.

  148. I have a brilliant idea for a smackdown by Palin; tried to call my Republican friend in charge of the club here in my complex but no d@man answer. I need it to get there right away………to our Governor Crist to McCain to Palin. Any idea of how to contact someone who can be reached right away, it can not wait and must be done by Thursday’s debate?

  149. The Hustler is the choice of the Repblicans and has been since his teleprompted speech way back when dems saw a great new future candidate and the RNC saw in him as their path to regain the WH.To them he was new unknown no records and had just the connections in Chicago to sway the AA population to back him because they could care less about character deeds associates and beliefs.Hustler is not a democrat and never stands for anything but his need for power and control of his people.Between Wall Street money and foreign backing The Hustler is areal danger to America and our political future in this troubled world.How can we stop him? It may be too late.

    By ABM

  150. meiyingsu
    IMHO one post would have done the job
    and a link for the rest
    we may be dismayed but we are resolute. NO waffles ever.

  151. AMB90, Hustler is a choice of the Republicans? Do you mean Dimwittedcrats?

    And to think, we could have had Hillary.

  152. meiyingsu,

    No worries. Personally I prefer to know what I’m up against, so knowing what the “enemy” is up to helps me. LOL…they are living in a glass bubble.

  153. Before I leave the house………….it is so. Peeeelooooer said it was so………….
    THE PARTY IS OOOOOVVVVVEEERRRR! I am gleeful that she is agreeing with me that the undemocratic Democratic PARTY is over. It is about time you made sense on something…………..even if just one thing.

  154. Carby, my question is was the deficit only 4 billion in 1992 and now it’s 11 TRILLION?

    *****************************************************
    No, Basil the deficit was not 4 billion, it was like 4 trillion in 1992 dollars…the deficit has ballon faster is because the dollar is worth 50% less then in 1992 dollars.

    That’s why McCain economic plan is better for the country at this time if we what to strengthen the dollar, invest the 750 billion a year in oil imports in this country that would bring high paying jobs here and reduce our trade imbalance greatly…while implementing alternative energy.

    This is when conservative measures are good for a Democrat. Obama is playing Santa Claus and as one Democrat that support welfare to work plans…and not this getting a check for not contributing to society. Not feeling that.

  155. May I add that we here and on other blogs are hyper informed, especially on the thievery and thuggery of the DNC/Leaders/Brazile/Dodd/Pelosi/Reid/Franks and the like.

    It is but my humble opinion that repeated reports of how the dimwittedcrats are trying to make a coup of our country here is counterproductive and demoralizing.

    Watching CNN during the showdown in the Persian Gulf war, I made a sign and put it in the window of my car…..

    Wolf Blitzer: Reporting for the Enemy

    as his reports were so demoralizing especially to the mothers and fathers who had sons and daughters lives on the line. Thank God Swartzkophf played Blizter like a fine tuned fiddle for the good of the military and he looked like a KGB tool in the end. I am afraid that we no longer have a Swartzkophf to keep them honest.

  156. To put Meiyingsu’s article in prospective, the title is US elections: Barack Obama’s team believes he can win by a landslide and the last paragraph is

    The scale of their ambition will trouble those Democratic sceptics who consider Mr Obama’s aides to be complacent and inexperienced in national campaigns.
    ==========

    Don’t forget that article a couple of weeks ago about how frustrated dems are with the Obama team, that they are so arrogant, won’t return phone calls, are positive they are going to win by a landslide, they don’t need blue collar workers, they have all these new voters, don’t need to worry about PUMA, won’t be enough to matter. This is the opinon of Obama’s team. Its good to know what we are up against but take it with a grain of salt too. Arrogance means elitism and elitism doesn’t work. Only two dems have won since LBJ, and that’s because they connected with the common man, Obama doesn’t do that. So don’t get discouraged. They want us discouraged.

  157. That wooten article needs to become an ad. Someone needs to let the word out McCain had a big win on this, and he needs to take credit for it. Don’t be humble McCain, yes I made this better for the people and Obama went to the gym.

  158. Here’s a cute story:

    The other day I went downtown to run a few errands. I went into the local coffee shop for a snack. I was only there for about 5 minutes. When I came out, there was this cop writing out a parking ticket.

    I said to him, “Come on, man, how about giving a retired person a break?” He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. His insensitivity annoyed me, so I called him a ‘Nazi.’ He glared at me and then wrote out another ticket for having worn tires. So I proceeded to call him ‘doughnut eating Gestapo.’ He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he wrote a third ticket when I called him a moron in blue. This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I talked back to him the more tickets he wrote.

    Personally, I didn’t really care. I came downtown on the bus. The car that he was putting the tickets on had one of those bumper stickers that said, “Obama in ‘08″. I try to have a little fun each day now that I’m retired.

    The doctor tells me that it’s important to my health.

  159. ROFLMAO Birdgal!!!! That is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Yes voter suppression techniques, exactly. That is exactly what this is.

  160. The pleasantness of the reporter doing the interview struck me too, as if it was perfectly normal for prosecutors and sheriffs to be announcing this
    ————-
    Legal Action Against NRA Ads, Prosecutors and Sheriffs Joining ‘Truth Squads’…

    Eugene Volokh looks at the multitude of legal issues triggered by prosecutors and sheriffs forming the “Barack Obama Truth Squad” in Missouri.

    What was really striking about that local Missouri television report on the “Barack Obama Truth Squad” was the cheerful nonchalance with which the reporters relayed the details, as if law enforcement officials had just formed a new program to tell kids not to do drugs or to look both ways while crossing the street, something utterly uncontroversial and innocuous. When a prosecutor starts talking about “we don’t want people to get distracted, so we’re here to respond to any character attacks, to set the record straight”, the words “First Amendment” should be coming out of the mouth of the reporter conducting the interview at some point, perhaps along with “What the hell are you thinking?”

    Think about it, the local television station summarized the story on their web site, “The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign,” and it seems no one at the station blinked; there was nothing in the report that indicated that this might be controversial.

    I hate to be glum heading into October, but to a certain extent, an electorate gets the leaders it deserves. If the journalism institutions in a given area nod and smile as they’re given information like this — if it never crosses their mind to object — then the Fourth Estate, for all extents and purposes, ceases to exist. When Ben Franklin responded to the query about the government that would manage the young nation, “A Republic, if you can keep it,” moments like this make you wonder if we’re in the process of losing it.

    [A question about the “innocous” explanation that Obama’s campaign just wants prominent local officials to push back against false rumors: Why does Obama’s ‘Truth Squad’ need certain members to carry firearms? I could understand high-profile public prosecutors doing spin, but why does the Truth Squad need sheriffs?]

  161. um…doesn’t Missouri law enforcement have enough to do to solve important crimes and protect their populas without having to do “busy work” just so Obama can twist the truth?

  162. Obama Goons Call Police Over Obama Questions !!!
    raves +2 by kim puma nobama posted 1 day ago
    Obama Goons Call Police
    Over Man’s Questions
    By Greg Nixon
    9-27-8

    This past Sunday, a graduate student in electrical engineering learned that Fascists are not always goosestepping in uniforms behind tanks, sometimes they can appear to be innocent little old ladies or soccer moms. Our student, whom we will refer to as as just Brian, approached an Obama campaign table on Church Street here in Burlington and began to ask questions about Brzezinski’s role as advisor to Obama. He also asked if the Obama supporters knew about how Brzezinski was the architect for the Mujahideen, a.k.a. Al Qaeda.

    The Obama table wanted no discussion what so ever. In order to set up a table on Church Street, a group must apply for a permit from the market place board. The function of tabling is to educated the public on issues and allow dialogue. Apparently an open exchange of ideas did not apply to Obama supporters. After Brian questioned the table and realized the conversation was closed, he walked away.

    [Read on for more at the link — the guy was arrested and awaits trial!]

    http://www.sodahead.com/blog/17485/

  163. Very funny story, Birdgal. I got my daily laugh.

    ABM, I was not abandoning the Clintons but merely letting them know that they will not be thanked if they help elect Obama and the reasons are piling up to back off.

  164. When criticizing Palin, this is what I mean. Why can’t she relay some of this in plain English (without using flowery speech like “Putin rears his..”) Those Bush advisers she has are making her repeat Bushspeak about taking the fight to the terrorists and such. She should not be repeating them.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/25/politics/fromtheroad/entry4479278.shtml

    September 25, 2008, 10:22 PM
    Exclusive: Palin Was Briefed On Russian Jet Incursions
    Posted by Scott Conroy

    From CBS News’ Scott Conroy:

    (PHILADELPHIA) In her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has received briefings on Russian military plane incursions near Alaskan airspace, an Alaska National Guard spokesman confirms to CBS News.

  165. There is alot of unrealistic thinking going on at various levels now about what it the unthinkable happened and bambi bamboozled his way into the Oval Office. Yes, most people agree this would be a disaster for the country and that much is certain. But here is where it gets delusional in my opinion. People who have a proven track record of underestimating this guy, are telling themselves that he would be overwhelmed by the job and his supporters would lose the mid term elections and his presidency would assume a downward trajectory for the balance of the term.

    In normal times this would pass as conventional wisdom and many of us would buy in. But these are not normal times. The truth is if he steals the white house as he did the nomination, then he will find an excuse to assume extra-constitutional powers and reshape our government to benefit big business and big media will cheer him on every step of the way. Follow the money–big business owns big media–ergo they are its mouthpiece.

    Knowing that we must redouble our efforts to defeat him. If we fail, do not be surprised if what I have just described comes to pass, with the cold precision of a well executed business plan.

    Of course I could be wrong about this and he could turn out to be everything the bots pretend he is Lincoln. Kennedy. King. If you buy that one you must also believe in the tooth fairy.

  166. You know something….hillary keeps on asking us to vote for BO because of her policies…
    Love you hillary BUT

    the next 4 years we may not be in ANY position to implement those right away…
    so her reason is no longer valid…

  167. wbboei, I agree with you these are not normal times and conventional wisdom is not that useful because nobody (people on the outside) seems to know what the reality is here. At first in the beginning of the primary, I did think it was all a phenomenon and that the people with media’s help are propelling him and that he would be overwhelmed. It does not look as innocent as that now. Without becoming paranoid and feeding extra-conspiracy theories, it does look like there are forces behind him that are not generally helpful to ordinary people and he himself is not what he says he is. He and his invisible handlers have acquired the Dem brand and the trust of a certain faction of the voting populace and nobody on the outside knows fully what their agenda is. The fact that he got away with so many imperfections that would have brought down any other candidate should in itself be a huge red flag — that I think is/(should be) the conventional wisdom. People in the know (of those imperfections) like us should without exaggeration treat this as a “placeholder” election and try to prevent him from getting to this office. I don’t think we are going to lose the finest Dem president of our times if we defeat him — it won’t be a missed opportunity.

    When in doubt, don’t vote [for Obama].

  168. {You think Greta calling her a pig hastened this..:) some good news. Now if only the US media follows suit.}

    We erred in our judgment

    CBC (Canada) apologizes for Palin is white trash article.

    “Mallick’s column is a classic piece of political invective. It is viciously personal, grossly hyperbolic and intensely partisan.

    And because it is all those things, this column should not have appeared on the CBCNews.ca site.

    We erred in our editorial judgment. You told us in no uncertain terms. And we have learned from it.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_cruickshank/20080928.html

  169. These truth squads are nothing surprising coming from a thug like Obama. These is old style Chicago politics at it’s worst.

  170. You know something….hillary keeps on asking us to vote for BO because of her policies…
    Love you hillary BUT

    the next 4 years we may not be in ANY position to implement those right away…
    so her reason is no longer valid…
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    like universal health care–which he has already taken off the table

  171. He and his invisible handlers have acquired the Dem brand and the trust of a certain faction of the voting populace and nobody on the outside knows fully what their agenda is
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    the globalist agenda– milton friedman on sterioids. down go the borders, out go the jobs, privatize everything. the rich get rich and the poor get poorer, in the meantime in between time aint we got fun.

  172. and freedom of speech is a thing of the past. Goons/American version of KGB march down streets suppressing free thought and free action. Media is contained ala Russia during extreme communist periods.

    Massive move to Canada…

  173. I am pretty sure she does not write the drivel that is being sent out under her name now. It is written by his campaign.

  174. An incendiary mix of presidential politics, delicate dealmaking and market instability played out Thursday in a tableau of high drama, with $700 billion and the U.S. economy possibly in the balance. McCain’s presence was only one of the complicating factors. Sen. Barack Obama played his part, with a hectoring performance behind closed doors at the White House. And a brewing House Republican leadership fight helped scramble allegiances in the GOP.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&7

    What was Obama’s “hectoring performance” at the White House? Any in depth links, articles, etc?

    From what I heard, Reid passed the baton to Bambi and he read the Dem talking points.

  175. “Mallick’s column is a classic piece of political invective. It is viciously personal, grossly hyperbolic and intensely partisan
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    irrelevant now

  176. What was Obama’s “hectoring performance” at the White House? Any in depth links, articles, etc?

    From what I heard, Reid passed the baton to Bambi and he read the Dem talking points.
    ——————————————-
    that is exactly what happened. leadership?????

  177. So did any of these talking points come from Obama’s brain at all?
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    when the telepromter is not working he reads them off his eyelids

  178. Jan- I have not been there but I met a wonderful old man who was a major in a wonderful organization that does wonderful work in the world for which it never receives just recognition: the salvation army. He had travelled extensively in his career and he said the same thing you did about those places. In fact, I asked him where the most beatiful place was that he had been and he told me those particular places.

  179. The electorate needs to understand that the democratic leadership failed to provide market oversight and encouraged these lenders to assume imprudent risk and now the taxpayer will bear the cost of their malfeasance in terms of their standard of living and retirement plan. Only a fool would vote malfactors like Dodd, Frank and others back into office. Ditto with Republicans who contributed to this disaster. It isnt about party label it is about accountablilty.

  180. Now they are circulating the story that the bailout deal vote will be close and may not pass.

    Bullshit. It benefits Wall Street. Ergo, it will pass.

  181. I agree with the following. Press for Hillarys deal instead. But I do not think he will heed this.
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    McCain Should Not Support Bailout

    Monday, September 29, 2008 10:05 AM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

    During Friday’s debate, John McCain assiduously and inexplicably avoided using the issue that might have won him the debate and the presidency: opposition to a taxpayer-funded bailout of the financial crisis.

    Congress is about to pass, and the president is about to sign, a bill that the American people detest by 2-to-1 margins. When Americans realize that there is, indeed, an alternative to handing over $700 billion to financial institutions as a reward for their failure, opposition to the idea will swell even further.

    The bailout ideas proposed by the House Republicans and trumpeted by former Speaker Newt Gingrich make eminent sense. Indeed, they make so much sense that it is as if the roles of the parties have been reversed.

    It is the Republicans who are demanding that the banks and financial institutions pay for their own bailout, granting them only a mixture of loans and premium-paid insurance, while the Democrats want to pass the hat among the taxpayers to buy their dirty paper.

    In an unusual act of political foresight and skill, the normally dead-headed House Republican leadership has crafted a platform that can carry the party to victory in November. All that remains is for the party’s candidate, and perhaps even its president and Treasury secretary, to get on board.

    McCain can recover at the negotiating table the economy issue he lost in Friday’s debate. He needs to have the courage of his convictions and insist on a bailout without requiring taxpayer-funded purchase of defunct mortgages from failing institutions.

    The difference in the bailout plans is, of course, largely cosmetic. Dead paper is dead paper whether it is on the books of the government, purchased from banks, or on the books of the banks, insured by the government. The game is the same: Loans or grants fund the deficient debt service on the defaulted mortgages until homes can recover their value in the cyclical real estate market.

    But it makes all the difference in the world politically if this task is accomplished by buying bad debt or by lending the bankers the money to cover their current losses while they keep their bad debts on their books and by insuring them against future losses.

    Loans are politically viable. Purchase of bad debt with tax money is not.

    The Democrats and our politically-challenged president have failed to appreciate the difference between spending and lending. Treasury Secretary Paulson can be excused for not realizing it. Politics is not his thing.

    But John McCain must realize the crucial distinction and must use his leverage to stop a taxpayer-funded bailout, insisting instead on loans and insurance.

    If McCain stands firm, the Democrats will either have to pass the bailout package on their own, without Republican votes, and rely on Bush’s signature on the bill to provide a fig leaf of bipartisanship, or they will have to cave in and pass the Republican package.

    Either way, McCain comes out ahead.

    If he gets his way, he gets credit for the bailout. If he doesn’t, he can spend the campaign attacking Obama and the Democrats for spending $700 billion of taxpayer money.

    If the Democrats don’t adopt either course and play a game of chicken with the Republicans, their congressional status as the majority party dooms them to taking the blame for any ensuing collapse.

    Voters can count.

    They know that Reid and Pelosi are Democrats and that they control Congress. With this power comes responsibility.

    And if the Democrats do nothing — that is, if they fail to use their majorities to pass a bailout or to cooperate with the Republicans in adopting the GOP version of the package — it is they who will get the blame for the catastrophe which will follow.

    The Democrats don’t dare take that chance.

    The cards are dealt for John McCain. All he has to do is have the guts to do what he didn’t have the courage to do in the debate: Play the hand.

  182. I watched an old Black and white movie the other night for the third or fourth time in the last 50 yrs.It was a spoof of the political corruption and its possibilities that are always present in one form or another in our elections.It was called The Great McGinty and it revealed how a nobody in a depression breadline could be elected a Mayor and a Governer by having Community Organizers out on streets spreading money and buying votes.A very funny but true picture of what has happened to the Democratic Party since The Hustler was annointed and given a Teleprompter.This is serious stuff people and it is happening at this very moment.I don’t know how it can be stopped.the voters have so much to be worried about their homes their money their health and their future.Well timed distraction by the RNC and the big money people that are standing by like vultures watching this country coming closer to a poor third world nation and their big feast is just a few weeks away.I do not have the answer but I still have my vote and it will not for The Hustler.I am very sad and depressed that we could have had HILLARY.She was forced into defending her party and its people by supporting Hustler.it was a tough call and had a very obvious affect on her but she did it for us and SHE WILL BE BACK more needed and respected than ever.Sooner than Later..

    BY ABM90 Hope is all That I have lots of these days.

  183. McCain can trap the wiley bambi if the opposes the bailout. Bambi’s wall street backers crave this bailout and he cannot go against them. He has enough dems to pass it. So go ahead bambi–do it! But McCain should press for a bridge agreement which preserves the status quo and reassures markets. Just remember what Japanese foreign minister Watanabe said. Once you get over this mountain all you will see ahead as far as the eye can see is the Himalayas.

  184. BREAKING NEWS: Dow plunges 700 points as votes in the House aganst the historic bailout plan mount.
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    oh my. what a surprise.

  185. Honestly, the media works night and day to convince us that Sarah Palin is an idiot, not ready to be vp, can’t handle interviews, etc…etc…

    Enough already! It’s not working with me. I think she is a breath of fresh air. I thing Couric is a jealous twit. I remind myself that Sarah Palin has more governing experience in her little finger than Obama has all together.

  186. ShortTermer Says: May I add that we here and on other blogs are hyper informed, especially on the thievery and thuggery of the DNC/Leaders/Brazile/Dodd/Pelosi/Reid/Franks and the like.
    It is but my humble opinion that repeated reports of how the dimwittedcrats are trying to make a coup of our country here is counterproductive and demoralizing.

    =============

    Mm, yes and no. On the one hand, it’s like one of thoes Alinsky Rules that Birdgal posted last night, threaten and shock and demoralize the target. On the other hand, IF A CHARGE IS TRUE, then the more people who know about it the more will get mad and vote against Obama. And some of our hyperinformed people may think of a counter to it.

    Imho, the important thing is to make sure that we’re only reporting true stuff, or LABEL it as speculation or as Obama media propoganda or whateaver it is. And try to report it in a manner that does not cause panic or despair.

    Apparently the only way for the facts to reach less informed voters — is for US to tell them. So we have to know the whole picture, all this stuff.

    Imho the way Pelosi etc have actd about the bailout is good evidence against their motives and methoids in general. This may reach some voters who weren’t moved by the Obama shenanigans.

  187. McCain was very good today in Ohio. He went after O with lines from the debate and refuting them. Palin started it with “questions” like Has he ever reached across the aisle? and my favorite “He often says ‘I will’ but has he ever said ‘I did?” She ended with “Our opponents often say they will fight for you but only one person has actually fought for you”

    Then McCain talked about how O couldn’t find a single thing he would cut from the budget but named lots of things he would spend more money on. JM then said that in 97 (something like that number) votes, O had voted to increase taxes or spending and never voted to cut either one.

    He then named two specific dates: March 3 and June 5 (or vice versa) where O had voted to raise taxes on people earning as little as $42,500. McC finished that with “Not only that but on Friday he said it never happened!”

    It was very effective and McC has never been better. I hope he brings that to the next debate.

  188. here is what Mccain said in OH today:

    McCain’s attack today, as prepared:

    Two times, on March 14, 2008 and June 4, 2008, in the Democratic budget resolution, he voted to raise taxes on people making just $42,000 per year. He even said at the time that this vote for higher taxes on the middle class was “getting our nation’s priorities back on track.” Then something amazing happened: on Friday night, he looked the American people in the eye and said it never happened. My friends, we need a president who will always tell the American people the truth.

  189. About the Alinsky Rules … those were for use where a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL such as a government official is being targeted. They want to demoralize that individual, so that he will give in to them on something.

    However we have a mass election coming up. For every one voter who may be too demoralized to go vote against Obama, there may be several who will be made angry and energized to vote GOP for the first time in their lives.

    Too much anger can exhaust a person and tip over into demoralization, so we need to not let that happen to us and each other. However getting the facts out in a credible manner will help more than it will hurt, imo.

    Personally I was so angry with the GOP over the 2000 election, impeachment, etc that I stopped considering any of their positions. But now the more examples I see of Dems behaving even worse, the more level my playing field gets….

  190. unless this bill has nothing for mainstreet i cant see this passing. bill defeated. pelosi in emergency meetings. people dont support it bc there si nothing to help the people

  191. wbboei said: But McCain should press for a bridge agreement which preserves the status quo and reassures markets.
    =========

    Does that describe the Clintons’ position? The latest I’ve heard from HIllary was her WSJ “Let’s keep people in their homes several days ago.

  192. It is but my humble opinion that repeated reports of how the dimwittedcrats are trying to make a coup of our country here is counterproductive and demoralizing
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    Shortermer: I apologize if my comments have contributed to this in any way. But I have seen this movie before–in the republican party when the neocons took over. Nobody then connected the dots–and we got bush–and all that his administration brought with him. You can see many of those characteristics in bambi–and the same wall street interests are behind him. Since we are talking about the future any scenario we paint is contingent, but the contingencies are important. Off line a number of us are talking about this and I have not shared this here for the very reasons you suggest.

  193. If Obama blames republicans for not supporting the bill McCain can throw it right back in his face that around 100 democrats voted against it as well.

  194. what else does the gop want? they strippped the bankruptcy provision for homeowners etc.. a nation run by dumbasses

  195. texan, I agree with you, but I have no sympathy for the Dem’s. What a bunch of pansies! They should have put forth a completely dem bill. They didn’t need the repubs to pass it and Bush said he’d take anything. They didn’t need cover! no sympathy from me.

  196. Hi guys, haven’t posted in a while. I have been working from CA doing everything I can to galvanize support for McCain in the two most important states this year: CO and VA. If McCain wins these two states, he will win. FL, OH, and IN are going to be in McCain’s column for sure (I know FL is tightening in the polls, but McCain has not spent a single cent on the state, whereas Gutter Ball has spent millions and just increased his ad buys over the weekend).

    Our objective is clear: We want Hillary to be President. With an Obama win, this becomes nearly impossible. However, with a McCain win, Hillary is 45.

    Call McCain’s victory headquarters in CO and ask what you can do: 303-486-2008

    Call McCain’s victory headquarters in VA and ask what you can do: 703-297-8900

    Come on people! Do NOT let the Pelosi/Reid/Brazille/Dean/Clyburn/McCaskill faction of the party prevail! We will all suffer immeasurably.

  197. Freckles, I saw a few minutes of that speech in Ohio today and McCain, without using the words, lying or liar, went on to call Bambi just that, lol. He needs to do more of what I heard him say today.

    I hope that he really rattles Bambi’s cage, big time. I think he was really getting to him in Friday’s debate and he needs to do it in all the rest of them and not let up. If he gets Bambi really riled, Bambi won’t know what to say.

  198. Every time we find ourselves complacent, we need to remember the “You’re likable enough, Hillary” comment.

    Forward MARCH!

  199. Does that describe the Clintons’ position? The latest I’ve heard from HIllary was her WSJ “Let’s keep people in their homes several days ago.
    ——————————————
    Yes. Preserve the stautus quo now–keep people in their homes, get past the election and then negotiatiate the bill 3-6 months hence. We only get one shot at this thing. Cant keep going bactk to taxpayers for another 700 billion. Part of the reason is you cannot tell people nothing about a bill that will have a dramatic effect on their personal finances. Poopsie is now doing a bush rant–attacking her only republican ally!

  200. I have found some other PUMAs at work! I was talking with one of the MD’s that I work with, about the economic situation, and we were saying, how the next POTUS is going to be hamstringed with no money for programs. She blurted out, “I’m writing in Hillary.” I was so delighted! I said, “You are a PUMA,” and I gave her a hug. Then, I explained what a PUMA was. 🙂 Her husband, another MD at the clinic, has been telling her about Obama and Ayers, and all the other shady connections, so he is a PUMA too. These are two highly educated physicians, who both graduated from Ivy League schools. The husband is a graduate of Yale, and she graduated from Stanford. They are both medical graduates of UCSD medical school, and UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute. So much for being low information voters. She agreed, that we had to keep our viewpoints undercover in our clinic, because it would not be politically correct, not be for BO. Amazing. She also said, that she didn’t like his “bitter half.” Hmm….I wonder, who that might be???

  201. In a nutshell Pelosi went on to blame Republicans and Bush for the mess we’re in…timing sucked, but then I point to 90+ dems that didn’t vote for it either.

  202. 41% of house dems voted against it, me thinks they are scared shitless of losing their seats to tell Bambi and pelosi to fuck off.

  203. # mp Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    A democrat on c-span…saying that the banking committee and pelosi did not allow full voice on the congress..

    *****
    I’m not sure what that means, but I got this vision of what happened at the fraudulent DNC roll call.

  204. pelosi could not get 1/3 rd of her own party to back this bill… they can spin this whatever way they want but she has lost power

  205. Obama’s Salary Should be Applied to Bailout $$$

    If you had an employee who was getting $160,000 a year, plus a full time staff, travel expenses, and a huge budget to work with, but never showed up for work, what would you do? Obama proudly lists on his resume that running for President is the most substantial thing he has ever accomplished. I am sure that his campaign manager must be surprised by that bit of hubris. What has he done though to earn $320,000 the past two years while he has been paid for being a Senator? It suggests that the position of senator is not that important and can be put on hold for two years to travel the country, raise money, give speeches and be adored by the liberal media.

    townhall.com/columnists/NinaMay/2008/09/29/obama%e2%8099s_salary_should_be_applied_to_bailout_$$$

  206. The early spin: McCain camp blames Obama; Democrats mock McCain

    A McCain aide points to the House Democratic defections, and says: “The Democrats could have passed this on their own, and Obama couldn’t get them in line.”

    A Democratic official, meanwhile, notes that McCain and his campaign had appeared to take credit for a done deal. “What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table, including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this,” his chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, said on “Meet the Press” yesterday. The House GOP, though, didn’t deliver the votes House leadership said were needed.

    Partisans on both sides noted that, in prepared remarks today, each candidate acted as though he thought it was a done deal.

  207. h t t p : / / latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/back-home-sarah.html?cid=132714303#comments

    [[ Note this is not really a change since January, it is a change WTHIN THE LAST MONTH, SINCE THE MEDIA BEGAN TRASHING HER. Right after her nomination she was still at 82% approval and about 13% disapproval. — tdo ]]

    Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s poll ratings tumble a bit

    But the new figure for Palin is down from a high of 82% in January, which she replicated in the days following her surprise selection Aug. 29 as John McCain’s running mate.
    Also, her disapproval rating in the survey of 500 likely voters conducted Saturday through Monday was at 27% — double what it was at the beginning of the month.

  208. Amazing. The dems didn’t vote for it. I hope, pelosi is on her way out.

    Sounds like she is trying to shut down discussion, just like she did during the convention. She is a dictator.

  209. I have admired Warren buffet but on this major issue I need to hear something from him:

    – why did he contact just democrats and not republicans with this new idea (senn. gregg judd said it on TV…even though judd was fine with the fine; judd was fine in his presentation)…

    – buffet invested BIG time in COUNTRY WIDE in his hathaway fund last year…he probably lost some money…

    – he back obama

    – his charitable foundation is huge..managed by bill gates…they mostly do work overseas…that billion dollar fund should be used as collateral for investing for American people to fund this Paulsen idea..

    – So even Buffet needs to say something big here…

  210. this morning on Rush he said the bailout helps minorities and the poor…and that the Dems would call the Republicans racist if they didn’t pass this bailout and that was their leverage. Guess it wasn’t enough to pass the bill.

  211. admin,

    Pelosi’s going down… next NObama, Dean, Brazile, McCaskill, Clyburn, Kerry, Kennedy (bless his heart), and too many more to mention

  212. after reading some of the comments here, and digesting it, I’m starting to think that I might not vote for this Obama feller…

    “Not so much”.

    :^)

  213. texan4hillary Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    can anyone give a link to those who voted for or against?

    clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

  214. I was listening to FoxNews’s Neal Cavuto and he said something that made me change my mind over passing this bill.

    Cavuto said the market loss is only 1.5-2% while during the depression the market loss 50% and during the saving and loan crisis the market loss was 29% so at 2% loss it’s too early to call it a crisis.

    Yes banks have bad loans on their books but c’mon 2% market loss we have time to wait and see how the market handle this without giving away the store and still get the staft.

    Maybe these banks need to do what they need to do to get themselves out of this mess…if they believe in free markets…you have good time and bad times.

    Neal also…small and medium banks, credit unions are doing fine..Commerical banks are making loans…yes it’s hard to get a automobile loan or construction loan but banks need to get out there and hustle their ass off and do what they have to do.

  215. The house press conference was a “hoot”. I was ROTFL at the expressions on the face of Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel, Jim Clyburn, Barney Frank…talked too much and said nothing.

    Barney Frank is a fool.

  216. 95 democrats and 133 republicans voted against it. Pelosi can beat her chest all she wants blaming the republicans, but it was her own party that voted it down. All she needed was 12 more democrats to vote for it and it would have passed. Just shows how much power she has when 40% of her own party did not follow her lead.

  217. debbie, my Dem rep voted nay as well (Ciro Rodriguez). He is all about the people, and serves a really huge and really poor Latino district here in TX, with a little of San Antonio thrown in.

    I for one am unconvinced that a 700 billion taxpayer bailout is the only solution or we’re DOOMED. Whatya wanna bet that if the people call their bluff, those Wall Street fuckers will “suddenly” find another way to get the money flowing – maybe not enough for profits, but enough to prevent total meltdown?

    Cavuto had some good points today. The market has not even dropped anywhere NEAR what it did during the S&L crisis. Not even close. But they talk like it is armageddon. Yeah, it may be bad, and some sort of deal may need to happen, but the people are RIGHTLY suspicious of the sudden OMG OMG OMG RUSH HURRY HURRY HURRY and FEAR card from their government.

  218. My brother is an Obama supporter but he HATED this bill and didn’t want it pass…he said Wall Street need to do want it has to do and stop asking for taxpayer money.

    These BIG banks had a great time and now they don’t want their bad loans anymore.

    He was PISSED!!!
    NO BAILOUT!!!

    There reaming NANCY PELOSI for being a lousy LEADER for putting a bill of this significance without knowing what the vote will be. Main Street is not upset about the bill, they didn’t want it pass.

    Nancy Pelosi should had never gave that partisan speech before the vote count.

  219. The NYC/DC media is mad at John McCain for introducing presidential politics into this…but what the media don’t understand is that the bill wasn’t going to pass they way it was.

    Main Street is happy the bill didn’t pass.

  220. I for one am unconvinced that a 700 billion taxpayer bailout is the only solution or we’re DOOMED. Whatya wanna bet that if the people call their bluff, those Wall Street fuckers will “suddenly” find another way to get the money flowing – maybe not enough for profits, but enough to prevent total meltdown?

    Cavuto had some good points today. The market has not even dropped anywhere NEAR what it did during the S&L crisis. Not even close. But they talk like it is armageddon. Yeah, it may be bad, and some sort of deal may need to happen, but the people are RIGHTLY suspicious of the sudden OMG OMG OMG RUSH HURRY HURRY HURRY and FEAR card from their government.

  221. # carbynew Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Nancy Pelosi should had never gave that partisan speech before the vote count.
    &&&&&&

    Is this the same Nancy who criticized McCain for partisan intervention that was responsible for derailing negotiations that would “save the US economy”?

  222. Palin’s Perils
    New York Times, United States – 3 hours ago

    Sarah Palin’s Terrifying Ignorance
    Atlantic Online – 5 hours ago

    Columnist Says McCain Has Serious ‘Palin Problem’
    NPR – 1 hour ago

    The Great Palin Panic Of 2008
    Atlantic Online

    …………….
    Anybody see a pattern here?? Tell me to my face the media isn’t formulating public opinion with headlines like these???

    They did this to Hillary too. I’m so dang angry.

  223. Analysis: The Failure of the Bailout Bill

    Troubled skies over the Capitol. AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

    The failure of the financial bailout bill in the House is a classic example of an old adage: all politics is local.

    Despite the fact that President George W. Bush and the leadership of both parties lined up behind the bill, the rank and file of both parties — particularly on the Republican side — rebelled in light of polling that showed the American public is deeply skeptical about a planned $700 billion bailout for the financial industry.

    With just over one month left before the November election, politicians of both partisan stripes are concerned primarily about one thing: their own political futures.

    And, even a cursory glance at polling on the issue, shows why so many politicians voted against the bill.

    In a recent USA Today/Gallup, just 22 percent of the sample said they wanted Congress to “pass a plan similar to what the Bush Administration has proposed” while 56 percent wanted Congress to pass something “different” (although what that different plan would be was not made clear) and 11 percent wanted Congress to take no action at all.

    The results were slightly more mixed in a New York Times/CBS News poll where 42 percent said they approved of the government’s financial rescue plan while 46 disapproved, and in the Post/ABC poll where 44 percent expressed approval for the plan and 42 percent disapproved.

    The data suggest that this bill was far from a political winner for members of Congress set to face voters in 36 days.

    And, for vulnerable Republicans who believe that the free-spending attitude of Congress and the Bush Administration was either partially or primarily responsible for their ouster from majorities in the House and the Senate in 2006, the idea of floating the federal government another $700 billion was simply unpalatable.

    It’s no coincidence then that of the 205 Members who voted in support of the bill today, there are only two — Reps. Chris Shays (R-Conn.) and Jon Porter (R-Nev.) — who find themselves in difficult reelection races this fall. The list of the 228 “nays” reads like a virtual target list for the two parties.

    While it’s clear that the main reason the bill failed was the provincial concerns of more than 220 Members, the blame game is already well under way at the presidential level. John McCain had staked much last week on his high-profile decision to suspend his campaign to return to Washington to try and help bring about a deal on the bailout.

    When a deal wasn’t reached in short order, McCain scrapped his plans to postpone the first presidential debate in Mississippi on Friday night. But, he did return to Washington shortly afterward to return to work on turning the bailout bill into a reality.

    By this morning, McCain seemed to believe that a deal was done and even seemed to claim some credit for making it so. “I went to Washington last week to make sure that the taxpayers of Ohio and across this great country were not left footing the bill for mistakes made on Wall Street and evil and greed in Washington,” McCain said at a campaign rally in Columbus, Ohio.

    Barack Obama had adopted a slightly more hands-off approach to the issue, returning to Washington late last week at the request of President Bush to join in a high-profile meeting at the White House but largely stayed out of the nitty gritty of the negotiations.

    Obama’s campaign privately pronounced themselves very pleased with the way last week played out — insisting that McCain had appeared “erratic” during a crisis while Obama had been calm, sober and serious.

    Obama, moments after the bill failed, urged people not to panic, according to the Post’s Perry Bacon. “It’s important for the American public and the markets to stay calm” said Obama, adding: “One of the messages I have to Congress is get this done, Democrats, Republicans step up to the plate.”

    The focus on the economy seems to have accrued to Obama and the Democrats’ benefit.

    The latest Gallup tracking poll puts Obama ahead of McCain by eight points — 50 percent to 42 percent. It was the second consecutive tracking poll that showed Obama with a statistically significant lead and the fourth straight track that showed Obama maintaining or widening his lead since the survey showed the two candidates locked in a 46 percent to 46 percent tie early last week.

    With the bailout bill almost certain to remain in the news for the remainder of this week (and perhaps far longer), McCain and the Republican Party must find a way to turn around their negative trend line on the issue.

    Republican House leaders may have signaled the new strategy for the party in a news conference moments ago when they blamed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) for a partisan speech that, they argued, tanked the possible passage of the legislation.

    McCain followed that lead in a statement by senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin. “Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill,” said Holtz-Eakin. “Just before the vote, when the outcome was still in doubt, Speaker Pelosi gave a strongly worded partisan speech and poisoned the outcome. This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country.”

    Will the American public buy it?

    By Chris Cillizza | September 29, 2008; 3:00 PM ET
    wapo

  224. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
    I for one am unconvinced that a 700 billion taxpayer bailout is the only solution or we’re DOOMED.
    ===
    Absolutely! This is their October surprise. Lets get the people as nervous as we can, especially about the economy, their suposed strong suit, even though they got us into this mess. And then we will take over the financial markets. So now you have the same people who made this mess given even more power. How scary is that. If this was so urgent why did they wait for the house and the repubs? They control both. They should have acted in the best interest of the country. Its about power. And buying votes. Its disgusting.

  225. I feel better today. I have met 2 PUMAs at work today. 🙂 They are both MDs that I work with. One visits The Confluence and Not Your Sweetie. I told him about this site. Sad thing, he has lost friends over this. In Northern CA, PUMAs are not popular creatures. We are undercover.

  226. I am very happy the bailout deal was just defeated in the house. The White House only did this to save wall street, the democrats did this to help the irresponsible home owners. I am glad the responsible citizens screamed loud and clear to their congressmen. According to the Bloomberg radio this morning when I drove in, one congressmen said “The phone calls are running 50/50, 50 said No, 50 said Hell NO”. This Henry Paulson is really a corrupt official. He let Lehman go bankrupt, but as soon as he learned Goldman Sachs had 20 Billion exposure of AIG, he bailed AIG out with 70 Billion right away (Paulson was Goldman’s chairman before he became treasury secretory.) I don’t see any adverse effect on Lehman to be bankrupt, why not anyone else? It’s high time for people to face the consequences of their own actions. The market did not need a bailout, the market needs to know that the government is not going to save them and they have to solve their own problem. The Bush administration is trying to put a gun at tax payer’s head “You either do this or go to depression”. Well, a country can recover from a depression, even a great one, but it will take much longer if ever to recover from socialist banking.

  227. Why is it we do not lose friendship when someone supports another candidate. Yet O’s people can’t stand to have you support someone else and don’t want to be friends anymore because you are supporting a different candidate they don’t like. These were never friends in the first place. I would never want to be friends with them again.

  228. My comments are preceded by $$$

    lindax Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    I am very happy the bailout deal was just defeated in the house. The White House only did this to save wall street, the democrats did this to help the irresponsible home owners.

    $$$$ I think it was
    a) allegedly to “stabilize the economy”, but
    b) really to help “friends in high places (Wall St. skyscrapers??)

    I am glad the responsible citizens screamed loud and clear to their congressmen. According to the Bloomberg radio this morning when I drove in, one congressmen said “The phone calls are running 50/50, 50 said No, 50 said Hell NO”.

    $$$ I have heard that the calls from “constituents” was running highly against the bail out, against blowing the taxpayers money on “bad paper”. 50/50 is what Bloomberg would like to believe it is.

  229. Kucinich said point blank that no homeowner protections were in the bill because Obama did not want them there.

    AMY GOODMAN: Right, but the Democrats are in charge of this.

    REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Right. You know, I’ll tell you something that we were told in our caucus. We were told that our presidential candidate, when the negotiations started at the White House, said that he didn’t want this in this bill. Now, that’s what we were told.

    AMY GOODMAN: You were told that Barack Obama did not want this in the bill?

    REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: That he didn’t want the bankruptcy provisions in the bill. Now, you know, that’s what we were told. And I don’t understand why he would say that, if he did say that. And I think that there is a—the fact that we didn’t put bankruptcy provisions in, that actually we removed any hope for judges to do any loan modifications or any forbearance. There’s no moratorium on mortgage foreclosures in here. So, who’s getting—who’s really getting helped by this bill? This is a bailout, pure and simple, of Wall Street interests who have been involved in speculation. ”

  230. Well, Big K, looks like you backed the wrong effing candidate if you wanted this: There’s no moratorium on mortgage foreclosures in here.

    Idiot!

  231. Why is it they think the Repubs are to blame, the democrats had enough votes in congress to put this through by themselves and failed miserably.

    I think the republicans knew all the dems were not on board and dealt a blow to Pelosi to make her look weak. She tried to force this through and now looks like a stupid cow.

  232. spoke to a close jackson lee associate. there are three things wanted.
    pressure congress to put them in the bill

    Please demand inclusion of these (3) measures to stabilize AND stimulate the economy in the current economic crisis:

    90-moratorium on home foreclosures

    Provision for bankruptcy negotiation for foreclosure victims

    Extension of benefits to jobless (to avoid total stagnation of the economy and continue circulation of money to businesses, mortgage holders and creditors)

  233. rgb44hrc,

    one congressmen said “The phone calls are running 50/50, 50 said No, 50 said Hell NO”.

    There was no yes there! No and Hell No!

  234. I am very happy the bailout deal was just defeated in the house. The White House only did this to save wall street, the democrats did this to help the irresponsible home owners.
    =====
    The dems did not do this to help home owners, irresponsible or not. They don’t care about people, if they did they would have included something in that bill to protect the home owner. They didn’t. This bill passes and guess what, you can still lose your house. this is only about creating a massive panic to keep you scared and get you to vote for who they want you to. This is only going to bail out wall street.

  235. Pelosi tried to get through on a minimum no of Dem votes so to protect Dems that could be put out by voting for the bailout, it backfired spectacularly when the Repubs called her game and voted accordingly.

  236. Aren’t the bankruptcy provisions Hillary, and many other Dems, were strongly in favor of? I’m pretty damn sure. But it’s nice to get confirmation…

  237. lindax Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    rgb44hrc,

    one congressmen said “The phone calls are running 50/50, 50 said No, 50 said Hell NO”.
    &&&&&&

    That’s a good one.

  238. those who voted no!!!!!
    —-
    Abercrombie
    Aderholt
    Akin
    Alexander
    Altmire
    Baca
    Bachmann
    Barrett (SC)
    Barrow
    Bartlett (MD)
    Barton (TX)
    Becerra
    Berkley
    Biggert
    Bilbray
    Bilirakis
    Bishop (UT)
    Blackburn
    Blumenauer
    Boustany
    Boyda (KS)
    Braley (IA)
    Broun (GA)
    Brown-Waite, Ginny
    Buchanan
    Burgess
    Burton (IN)
    Butterfield
    Buyer
    Capito
    Carney
    Carson
    Carter
    Castor
    Cazayoux
    Chabot
    Chandler
    Childers
    Clay
    Cleaver
    Coble
    Conaway
    Conyers
    Costello
    Courtney
    Cuellar
    Culberson
    Cummings
    Davis (KY)
    Davis, David
    Davis, Lincoln
    Deal (GA)
    DeFazio
    Delahunt
    Dent
    Diaz-Balart, L.
    Diaz-Balart, M.
    Doggett
    Doolittle
    Drake
    Duncan
    Edwards (MD)
    English (PA)
    Fallin
    Feeney
    Filner
    Flake
    Forbes
    Fortenberry
    Foxx
    Franks (AZ)
    Frelinghuysen
    Gallegly
    Garrett (NJ)
    Gerlach
    Giffords
    Gillibrand
    Gingrey
    Gohmert
    Goode
    Goodlatte
    Graves
    Green, Al
    Green, Gene
    Grijalva
    Hall (TX)
    Hastings (WA)
    Hayes
    Heller
    Hensarling
    Herseth Sandlin
    Hill
    Hinchey
    Hirono
    Hodes
    Hoekstra
    Holden
    Hulshof
    Hunter
    Inslee
    Issa
    Jackson (IL)
    Jackson-Lee (TX)
    Jefferson
    Johnson (GA)
    Johnson (IL)
    Johnson, Sam
    Jones (NC)
    Jordan
    Kagen
    Kaptur
    Keller
    Kilpatrick
    King (IA)
    Kingston
    Knollenberg
    Kucinich
    Kuhl (NY)
    Lamborn
    Lampson
    Latham
    LaTourette
    Latta
    Lee
    Lewis (GA)
    Linder
    Lipinski
    LoBiondo
    Lucas
    Lynch
    Mack
    Manzullo
    Marchant
    Matheson
    McCarthy (CA)
    McCaul (TX)
    McCotter
    McHenry
    McIntyre
    McMorris Rodgers
    Mica
    Michaud
    Miller (FL)
    Miller (MI)
    Mitchell
    Moran (KS)
    Murphy, Tim
    Musgrave
    Myrick
    Napolitano
    Neugebauer
    Nunes
    Ortiz
    Pascrell
    Pastor
    Paul
    Payne
    Pearce
    Pence
    Peterson (MN)
    Petri
    Pitts
    Platts
    Poe
    Price (GA)
    Ramstad
    Rehberg
    Reichert
    Renzi
    Rodriguez
    Rogers (MI)
    Rohrabacher
    Ros-Lehtinen
    Roskam
    Rothman
    Roybal-Allard
    Royce
    Rush
    Salazar
    Sali
    Sánchez, Linda T.
    Sanchez, Loretta
    Scalise
    Schiff
    Schmidt
    Scott (GA)
    Scott (VA)
    Sensenbrenner
    Serrano
    Shadegg
    Shea-Porter
    Sherman
    Shimkus
    Shuler
    Shuster
    Smith (NE)
    Smith (NJ)
    Solis
    Stark
    Stearns
    Stupak
    Sullivan
    Sutton
    Taylor
    Terry
    Thompson (CA)
    Thompson (MS)
    Thornberry
    Tiahrt
    Tiberi
    Tierney
    Turner
    Udall (CO)
    Udall (NM)
    Visclosky
    Walberg
    Walz (MN)
    Wamp
    Watson
    Welch (VT)
    Westmoreland
    Whitfield (KY)
    Wittman (VA)
    Woolsey
    Wu
    Yarmuth
    Young (AK)
    Young (FL)

  239. moononpluto, astute analysis as usual. The repubs are totally playing Pelosi. She looks more and more like the fool she is.

  240. hillguy – I’m close to where you are. if you want you can send me an email onlyconnect2008 (at) gmail

    and just let me know on the board you sent an email to me.

  241. Word is that Paulson and the Bush admin has been very very cozy with Pelosi and company this whole time. Talking to them, memos back and forth – MUCH more so than the Repubs.

    It STINKS to high heaven. The ones in bed with the financiers want this particular bill badly – whatever side of the aisle they are on.

    rgb, Hillary was not as much for the bankruptcy provisions done on an individual basis. There is an argument that that could really be a bureaucratic nightmare. What SHE wants is to set up an entire organization to deal with the home foreclosures, like they did during the Depression. A separate “bank”, if you will, called the Homeowners Loan Corporation, to buy up and handle all the bad loans in an organized manner, instead of millions of people making bankruptcy claims against 200 different banks. That HOLC “bank” would then make payment arrangements for those able to pay. They would still PAY their loans, not walk away. Some with zero income or something would still lose their homes, but not nearly so many.

  242. The entire Arizona congressmen voted no. All 4 dems and all 4 repubs.

    Practically the entire Black congressional congress voted NO, says a lot when Bambi told them to vote yes and backed it. Bwahhahahah even Jesse Jackson JR

  243. pda wants this bill amended. help them with this tool and contact your cngressperson

    http:/ /capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?alertid=11985901&PROCESS=Take+Action

  244. I think homeowners needs to be protected thru other means than bankruptcy….

    – re-negotiation of a better mortage…over a long er period with lower rate
    – 3 month moratorium-

    And special councelling can be done by non-profit orgs….not to be funded by federal govt who are lobbyist for more money…

    while it should not be part of this bailout package, it should be a separate bill…

  245. CountTheVotes, tried to send you an email, but my gmail said your email is not recognized. Never happened before…

  246. moononpluto, do you find it curious Jackson JR voted no?? He is one of Gutter Ball’s national co-chairs. Seems strange.

  247. I listened more to that dem rep from ohio…

    -she needs protection for people with savings over $150,000 fdic or more
    – more money for FBI to investigate global trading etc….

    She was mad with Cox…sec commissioner saying he had many tools in his arsenal that they have not adopted….

    more restrictions on short selling, etc…

    McCain wanted to fire Cox!!!!

  248. I admit I’m ignorant about the process – but had heard congress not revoting on this – must be an entire new bill? is that true?

    otherwise, if revote – do you think some of the Illinois people voted against it, so that Obama can go convince them (with zero arm-twisting, wink wink) and get it to pass for a total of 12 additional Dems.

  249. hillguy – that is strange re: email. I just checked the account, and it works ok. onlyconnect2008 (at) gmail.com

    do you have a way for me to reach you?

  250. Re Palin’s approval in Alaska, some bot talking points are being posted saying her approval has dropped. The facts are in my post earlier today and more here. I’m putting all this together at
    h t t p : / / http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=407990&posted=1#post407990

    BRiefly, her rating was c. 82% positive when she tot the nomination. Since then, the Dems in Alaska have changed their polling, bringing it down 14 points.

    adn – [GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN] – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska but not like before

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    [[ Here are the real numbers that have been spun negatively. Palin’s rating was high before and through when she got the nomination. Then the media began trashing her and the Dems started polling against her. — tdo ]]

    But in the last three weeks, we’ve seen damage, with a swing of 14 points from her positive to her negative.

  251. Hillguy, some are postulating that so many Dems voted nay because they really didn’t want it to pass – they WANT the economy to tank as they think it’s good for Bambi, and they can always blame the Repubs.

    I dunno.

  252. mj:

    No I do not stand with Obama…I was gald to see this bill voted no!!!

    I do not want to see either wall street bailed out nor do I want to see irresponsible people who bought/or sold mortgages walk away from their homeownership..

    A lot of non-profits are good advisors…I do not want to see federally funded orgs. like ACORN “counselling” potential low income homeowners..

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  253. the black cong. causus voted no because they did not get acorn provision….go figure!!!!!that is why I do not want to see help in this bailout bill…

  254. consumer protetions must be in this bill or they wont get it. period. this is how d works. the progressives want the 3 thngs i posted. the progs have rebelled against obama. conservs rebelled against mccain. CONSUMER PROTETIONS MUST NOW BE PUT IN THE BILL. HILLARY IS RIGHT. OBAMA WRONG. SO IS MCCAIN-WRONG.

  255. HillaryforTexas, I wouldn’t put it past those cowards. Another reason I hate that asshole. He doesn’t care that the economy is in shambles. He ONLY cares about his political career.

  256. im with bill and hillary-it must passed with oversight and consumer protections asap. bill and hillary stand for mainstreet

  257. mp, Obama didn’t want help for the homeowners in this bill either. Since I am not a heartless moron, I do. Further, when you can’t get money out of the bank, I hope your self-righteous anger will keep you well fed.

  258. What a difference between their 2 statements about this. McCain says we need to put apart partisanship and Obama blames the republicans, just like Pelosi. One looks presedential and the other didn’t know what to say. Really CA needs to vote her out. Is there any chance of that?? She is horrible.

  259. Pelosi, Reid, Frank pulled a fast one and viciously attacked the republicans, and they were called on their bullshit. Dems said they had the votes, well where r they.

    Basically the banking committe, Pelosi, Reid and Frank pulled a fast one and the rest of a majority of congress said fuck off.

    Pelosi has lost her leadership, she should resign, the most critical bill of her speakership and she could’nt hold the vote.

    It seems perhaps that Pelosi, Reid and Frank did all this bullshit in cahoots with Obama’s team and got shafted.

    Now you know what it feels like Obama to be taken in.

    Thats some reaching across the aisle if your in the majority and your own team kicks your ass when you should have held serve. Its the political equivalent of reaching 40 love in tennis in the 3rd set and then losing the match.

    My guess is, these 95 dems knew if they vote for this bailout, they are out on their asses.

    I have to also wonder if the Dems tried to limit numbers and lose it all along and tried to get the majority of votes through as Republicans so they can say its their bill.

  260. Let’s see: Pelosi said she needed 50 Republicans. She got 66. However due to her own lack of leadership (and her big mouth) she lost the votes of a whopping 95 House Democrats!

    Silly cow.

  261. its a shame. the bill needs to be passed with protections. now. if u want your atm, paychecks etc.. then better hope they figure out something. as bill says its a loan. not a bailout.

  262. People would have been livid at an ACORN provision.
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    Sowell: Bailout Could Have Ended Free Market

    Monday, September 29, 2008 3:47 PM

    By: David A. Patten Article Font Size

    The $700 billion Wall Street bailout the House rejected Monday could have signaled “the end of the free market” as it is structured in the United States, a financial expert said.

    In an exclusive interview with Newsmax before the emergence of the deal’s final details, Thomas Sowell said sacrificing America’s free markets in order to save Wall Street would be “a tragedy of tremendous magnitude.”

    Sowell, the respected Hoover Institution economist, columnist, and author strongly disagrees with those who say an unbridled free market is to blame for Wall Street’s excesses.

    Rather, he attributes the crisis to “very cynical political rules that protected people who went way out on a limb financially, because they knew they had the taxpayer’s money to back them up.”

    Citing the late Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, Sowell said economic losses are just as important to capitalism as profits, because losses help people learn to make better decisions.

    Bailout plans “don’t take into account that people learn from paying the price for their mistakes,” he said.

    Market interventions inevitably result in unintended consequences, said Sowell, author of “Economic Facts and Fallacies.”

    “The smallest change in a market has reverberations throughout,” he said. “There is no way to predict how the plan will ultimately impact the U.S. economy.”

    A bailout would encourage an entitlement mentality in which people seek to earn profits while being protected from losses. People need to take individual responsibility for their decisions instead of looking for taxpayers to cover the losses, he says.

    Sowell cited Americans’ migration away from unprofitable farms in the 20th century as an example of how people respond to changing economic circumstances. That workforce later fueled the rise of American manufacturing. “Now, we could have kept all those people on the farms, you know, and the standard of living would be a lot lower than it is right now,” he says.

    Sowell conceded that not coming to Wall Street’s rescue also would be dangerous. The nation’s leaders, he said, should try “to restore as much of the free market as possible” and minimize any bailout’s reach.

    “Go to the American people and tell them, ‘There is no Santa Claus folks. If you want to take risks you are going to pay for it,’” Sowell said, adding, “Compassion should extend to taxpayers as well as everybody else.”

  263. moon, Pelosi is a total joke. Every time she fails at something (like her joke of a book), she probably gets another botox injection to hide the frown lines that would invariably surface. What a tool.

  264. if pelosi gave a damned should have given waht pda wanted-forlcosure freeze etc and it woul dhave easily passed. running to the gop to renegotiate is foolish. A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS-PASS A DEMORATIC BILL

  265. Someone above mentioned that the entire black caucas voted no because of the abscense of ACORN. How many constitute that group? I would assume that it has more than 40.

  266. I really think this bailout is wrong, if you have an institution that has overextended itself and put itself in bad lending practices, thats their problem, let the shit go down and then regroup.

    Say I borrow 10K from a credit card company and lose my job, should i ask the govt for a bailout now. Say I bought a 400K dollar house on a 50K salary, should i expect the govt to bail me out because my bank offered me and I took a dodgy loan. NO!

  267. lindax,

    Pls look more closely before blaming the homeowners — at least not all of them.

    Some would have qualified for conventional, fixed rate mortgages but were steered or manipulated into taking the bad mortgages because the middlemen got higher commissions for selling the bad ones. (And some lenders WANTED the mortgages to fail so they would get their house back to sell again — like cheap used car dealers.)

    Some borrowers were persuaded to get homes they could not afford for the same reason.

    Some mortgages were so ‘predatory’ or ‘abusive’ that even when the borrowers made their payments, they were still stung on techniclities that sent the interest rates way up or changed other terms making it impossible to keep up. For example, one borrower made an ADVANCE payment that sent the interest up becasue of fine print in the contract.

  268. and Bambi today was claiming that the bill will pass because he has said so to the dems in congress, they would listen to him. Yeah they really listened to you, you chump.

    A dem Congress with a huge Dem Majority and a Dem bill and the assholes still couldnt get that passed and somehow its the republicans fault.

  269. lindax,

    Also pls look at what salaries these mortgage writers on Wall lStreet have been getting for writing those bad morgages. Some of the salaries were very high. If they lose their jobs now, they should have put away savings when they were getting those salaries.

  270. turndown, if they couldnt afford the mortgage they had no business taking the loan, that is stupidity on their part massively, you should never ever go into a mortgage lightly and frankly a lot of stupid people did.

  271. LOL moon, I know! I read that too. Effing idiot. I love when things don’t go his way. Chump is right.

    But what has the Dem Congress passed? How’s that 2006 promise to bring troops home from Iraq working out?? Cowards.

  272. I stand with the 2 people who now the mst about the economy and what we must do-bill and hillary. as bill said-i dont love it but it will be millions of ordinary americans who will lose payhecks, homes etc if not done. it is the duty of the govt to do whatever it can to stop a collapse. they must. 1 tillion lost in today’s market. soon retirment accts will bleed out etc.. obama ,mccain etc-we must act NOW

  273. As the de facto “leader” of the party, why was he unable to get the Dems to vote for the bill?? He’s as good at that as he is at bowling. Gutter Ball.

  274. in the end blame rests with the govt which allowed predatory lending to go rampant. everyone dreams of a home. i believe most got trapped into martgages. they were lied to outright. i know some fo these people. they arent stupid either. and the homes they bought werent out of their range either. the lenders screwed them-jacked interest rates etc . the govt permitting this activity is criminal. the people are being raped by the industry bc our govt allowed it.

  275. I think they need to look at Hillary Clinton plan,that plan might have a chance at passing.
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    Hillary has been right all along on this one. But Bambi will not touch it. If I told you I was pleased with McCain’s response I would be lying to you.

  276. texan very true but there are also an awful lot of people out there who have flat out lied on mortgages applications and salaries and I bet if you look at a lot of Acorn facilities and enquiries you’ll find a magnitude of fraud and theft on mortgages.

    A recent case in the uk found over 20% of all mortgages have been obtained fraudulently with salaries lied about, not checked, wrong information, flat out lies and mortgage adviser complicent in it. I bet the figures higher in the US.

  277. Moon
    I think it is unfair to say “that a lot of stupid people did”. A lack of information or financial education does not make one stupid. Niave(SP?), yes but stupid no. What intrigues me is how did these people with insufficient credit even find out how to become pawns in this game?

  278. Henry, 1 word Acorn, i can bet you these guys know all the angles, places to go, how to do it.

    I I am taking out a loan for 200K on a 30K dollar pay claiming you make 60K or 70K, that is not a lack of information, I am sorry, that is stupidity, your payments will be larger than your real salary.

  279. congress is stupid for allowing lax lending pratices. some folks made errors when bying homes sure-ut i still think most got snookered in and bush, dood and the others permitted it

  280. Just on NPR, yup she is officially useless.

    Congressman Peter DeFazio (D. Or.) said that Nancy Pelosi and the House Democratic leadership always assumed that the bailout bill would pass. As a result, they failed to lean hard enough on people like DeFazio and other House Democrats who were allowed to vote “no” as a matter of conscience.

    Once again, Nancy Pelosi & Co. couldn’t count votes within their own caucus, failed to understand that getting votes from the Republican Caucus would be difficult enough under ordinary circumstances, completely misread the mood of the House and failed to pass the bailout bill. As the majority party, the Democrats bear the responsibility for this failure. If the Speaker’s gavel is too heavy for Nancy Pelosi, she should give it to someone else and if the House Democrats can’t lead in a time of crisis, they ought to step aside and let someone else do the work.

  281. Hillary was not as much for the bankruptcy provisions done on an individual basis. There is an argument that that could really be a bureaucratic nightmare. What SHE wants is to set up an entire organization to deal with the home foreclosures, like they did during the Depression. A separate “bank”, if you will, called the Homeowners Loan Corporation, to buy up and handle all the bad loans in an organized manner, instead of millions of people making bankruptcy claims against 200 different banks. That HOLC “bank” would then make payment arrangements for those able to pay. They would still PAY their loans, not walk away. Some with zero income or something would still lose their homes, but not nearly so many.
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    Part of a humane solution.

  282. Eric Cantor, statement

    And I think that this is a case of a failure of Speaker Pelosi to listen not only to her members, but certainly to our members and the common bonds that brought our members together on this very, very important issue facing the american people. This is not a partisan crisis. This is an economic crisis facing everyone in this country. And to look at the votes today, 94 Democrats voted no. 94. Now, when we were in the Majority, I think we would make a decision that we would be able to come to the floor and bring a solution to the American people and pass it. They made a decision to leave 94 of their votes off the table and, frankly, as you can see, a majority of our votes that wouldn’t go along. Clearly this is an instance where you see Speaker Pelosi’s failure to listen, failure to lead.

  283. Moon
    And what about banks like HSBC sending checks in the form of a loan to home owners with so so credit and all you have to do is endorse and deposit. Interest is through the roof but if the kids are about to start school or the frig is on the brink, you cash it. Couple the 200/month payment with your mortgage and you can be screwed.

  284. Well this is interesting…….

    In fact, some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy. “It’s not based on any particular data point,” a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. “We just wanted to choose a really large number.”

    So they have no idea really, plucking it our of the air.

  285. And what about banks like HSBC sending checks in the form of a loan to home owners with so so credit and all you have to do is endorse and deposit. Interest is through the roof but if the kids are about to start school or the frig is on the brink, you cash it. Couple the 200/month payment with your mortgage and you can be screwed.

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    Sorry Henry, doesnt fly with me, if you know you can’t afford something, then you don’t do it, old values have gone in trying to save and work for things, when are people going to learn, you do not get something for nothing. People need to learn to be responsible, I’m sick of this, someone will give me the money, they are about to learn the hard way.

    Its harsh but i think needed, society has become one big handout.

  286. I cannot verify this story as it has been whispered down the lane, but perhaps one of you that possesses legal savvy can legitimize or discount the outcome

    A woman now 65 went to college in her 40’s and took out student loans
    She defaulted and as she was living on a small budget ignored the collection agencies they kept all of her tax returns for a number of years and waited until 65 to stop her low paying job so that she could survive on social security. Apparentley as social security is considered an entitlement the govt is siezing 50%. And she has nothing else.

    Can this be true? Bail out an executive but let an elderly woman rot on a pittance?

  287. Once again, Nancy Pelosi & Co. couldn’t count votes within their own caucus, failed to understand that getting votes from the Republican Caucus would be difficult enough under ordinary circumstances, completely misread the mood of the House and failed to pass the bailout bill. As the majority party, the Democrats bear the responsibility for this failure. If the Speaker’s gavel is too heavy for Nancy Pelosi, she should give it to someone else and if the House Democrats can’t lead in a time of crisis, they ought to step aside and let someone else do the work.
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    yet they worry about Palin’s competency.

  288. Henry wouldnt surprise me, courts and collection agencies would turn their mothers respirators off if they could recoup money, poor woman but you should never ignore a problem hoping it goes away.

  289. Moon
    I lived in Washington Heights for many years and I watched so many families struggle so very hard and as is typical for new immigrants- they do it for thier kids. So you’re feeding a family of 5 on a hundred a week but the new school year is starting and you know you can’t afford anything but then lo and behold a check in the mail for 5,000 dollars that you never asked for you know you shouldn’t cash it, but you want your kids to look and feel good, you feel guilt and you cash it. You get stuck with another monthly payment for a loan you never asked for. I think that is the definition of predatory lending. Not an offer but a check that all you have to do is endorse and drop into your nearest ATM

  290. Some of this housing crisis was due to the greed of Real Estate and mortgage agents. I have a friend (?) who tried to talk me into buying a house with zero down. Her argument was that I could have a mortgage payment less than I was paying in rent. I told her that that might be true short term but along with insurance, taxes, maintenance, eStc., I could not afford it. In Central CA, there would have to be a balloon payment or raise of payments down the line that could wipe me out. Real Estate here has yet to come down to anything near reality. During the RE boom, she was making a tidy $300k in commissions. Now 0.

    The the other issue is that 1/3 of these sub-prime mortgages to “minorities” went to illegals who, when the payments adjusted, simply walked away. Many of these people have fake ID, and there was no requirement of income verification etc. If you’re using a fake ID, green card, SS#, and walk away how can you be forced to be responsible for the balance of a $650,000 loan when the market tanks and it’s now appraised at $400,000 (and in reality the junk property is really a $150,000 tract house). I don’t want to cover these people. They can rent. Just like me.

  291. Are we approaching BC’s hypothetical?

    “If you agree with one candidate 10 out of 10 but HE CAN’T DO ANYTHING and you agree with the other 5 out of 10 but he can get things done, which do you vote for?”

    Are we there yet?

  292. My main concern is that mainstreet get protected, the people on fixed income be protected, that people not be evicted from their homes in winter and that wall street and regulators who precipitated this crisis be held accountable. I am a devotee of Tom Sowell, but this was a failure of governement oversight on government guaranteed security. There is however a level of sophistication to mortgage lending which is beyond the compass of ordinary minds so you cannot apply the rule of a reasonably prudent economic actor here. Now we are seeing a failure of leadership by our nations leaders and would be leaders.

  293. ugh – I listened to CNN for a second and Wolfe Blitzer said: Coming Up: Jack Cafferty and the issue of whether McCain needs to ask Palin to step down….

    Unbelievable. Had the same media bozos been urging BO to step down for his lack of competence, we may not be in this crazy situation of voting for worse or worst.

  294. Apparently McCain on CBS sat in on an interview with Couric, and let her have it. The perkey one looked like she was going to have a meltdown, i just heard about it.

  295. NQ was playing the video:www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/you_tube_pulls_a_popular_antid.html

    You Tube pulls a popular anti-Democrat video off the web (updated)
    C. Edmund Wright
    You Tube and Warner Music Group today pulled a highly popular video that very succinctly and clearly spelled out the roots of the current economic crisis.

    The 9:59 video entitled “Burning Down the House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis” played four different songs under a fast moving video sequence that very clearly tied Democrats like Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Barack Obama to policies and corruption related to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It cleverly showed how the “affordable mortgage” programs sent an economic virus through the entire economy and showed Republican efforts to intervene and regulate being blocked.

    For Obama and all congressional Democrats, it was a devastating video.

    The video had almost a perfect viewer rating and had been viewed some 1.2 million times according to the You Tube counters. Sometime around 3:45 EDT the video disappeared with the banner saying “This Video is no longer available due to a copywrite claim by Warner Music Group.”

    This sounds to me a lot like another front in this war for the country.

    Thomas Lifson adds:

    Even though I wonder if Warner is so vigilant about its music being used for videos advantageous to Democrats, there is a perfect right to object to appropriation of intellectual property. Music is a business, and if you use someone’s music you have to pay a royalty.

    Simply re-post the video minus its music soundtrack, and see what happens. Ot use a soundtrack of music in the public domain. I suggest Vivaldi’s Four Seasons, which has a driving beat of its own in various places.

  296. and here we go: now we know what the next move is

    ACORN: “Bailout Failure is an Opportunity to Improve Package”

    On Sept. 29, ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) President Maude Hurd released the following statement about the House of Representatives 205-228 vote in opposition to the Wall Street bailout package this afternoon:

    “ACORN welcomes the opportunity to renegotiate a package that will actually do something for homeowners on Main Street and not just bail out Wall Street. Ninety-five Democrats voted against the bailout bill because it did not do nearly enough for families struggling to pay the mortgage and who are teetering on the brink of foreclosure. If a better plan comes back that will do more to assist struggling homeowners, it stands a chance of passing.

    “The foreclosure crisis, which did not begin last week but more than a year ago, will continue unabated by the current bailout proposal. To really solve our broader economic woes, we must address the underlying problem of unnecessary foreclosures. One critical way to do this is to include bankruptcy shelter in the bailout package, which was dropped from the negotiations over the weekend.

    “Another way to stem foreclosures is to include tighter language directing the Treasury Secretary to prioritize purchasing those distressed assets like whole mortgages where Treasury would have the authority to modify the mortgages and avoid unnecessary foreclosures. Additionally, Treasury could be directed not to purchase any securities or other assets that lack such authority to modify. This would ensure that the public’s investment in Wall Street’s bad assets actually results in a reduction in foreclosures, so that we can stabilize home prices and restore liquidity in a permanent way to our markets. That’s the recipe for a bailout in which both Main Street and Wall Street can benefit.”

  297. Obama couldnt even do one thing without fucking it up.
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    Folks are dumb
    Where he comes from (Harvard)
    Got so much friggin’ learn’n
    Screws up everything he sees
    Doin’ what comes naturally

  298. LOL…I love Lou Dobbs today. He went after the Dims for having the audacity to blame the Republicans for everything collapsing. Very rightly said that the Dims are the majority and could have passed it on their own.

  299. Reporter on CNN Jessica (forget last name) says that the Dims are threatening to redo the bill with all the perks they want and pass it without the Republicans.

  300. It was great to see the look on Pelosi’s face! ABC just re-ran of clip of the announcement that the bill failed. Her potty politics mouth was big part of the failure.

  301. Reporter on CNN Jessica (forget last name) says that the Dims are threatening to redo the bill with all the perks they want and pass it without the Republicans.

    Good.

  302. Good let them stick it back, and then let the Republicans call their asses out that this is what they wanted all along and the sham it is.

  303. Nine Percent Nan of course, the worst speaker ever.

    She really is a useless piece of shit, I have shoes that are smarter than her.

  304. # hwc Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    What kind of idiot Speaker of the House sends a bill to the floor without counting the votes first?

    None. never before. Tip O’Niell must be spinning. She just presided over a vote for great depression of ’08.

  305. mj, I hope the Dems do that. I hope they pass a big fat subsidy to ACORN with zero Republican votes. The public will be furious, and Obama will lose.

  306. all the pork is not good. Why can’t they pass a more balanced bill? I don’t want to see all the pork back in the bill.

  307. I am like a rational person who doesn’t actually want to live through another depression. I could give a rat’s ass about acorn. What I care about is adding liquidity to the market TODAY! What I care about is keeping people in their homes TODAY! I don’t care if acorn gets the money if what there non-political arm does is help poor people.

  308. mj, ACORN does not have a non-political arm, except on paper. There is no wall of separation in their funds from their housing projects to their voting projects. The money flows back and forth. And they by and large do not help poor people – most of what they get goes into the pockets of their own organization, not into the community. They mostly just pay people to agitate about housing, rather than PROVIDE any housing.

    A blogger on RD who lives in New Orleans says they call ACORN “rent-a-protestor” down there in her ‘hood.

  309. I for one do not want to give billions to a fraudulent entity that is harassing, making fraudulent voting registrations, and god knows what else.

  310. Personally, I think the powers behind Obama, including the media, are DELIBERATELY trying to cause panic. I also think there is some big money behind him that is DELIBERATELY trying to crash the markets.

    I’m not saying there is not a big problem. I am saying that they are trying to make it as bad as possible, and paint it as total doomsday, to help Bambi. And I think that these SAME forces are the ones who backed Bush. Notice how cozy the Bush administration is these days with Pelosi? Paulson has been wheeling and dealing with the dems, and practically ignoring his own party leaders.

    The money boyz still want to control this country, they are just backing a new horse this year.

  311. i wish i could say different but congress never really passes clean bills of any kind. the practise should change but it wont-hasnt in a century. we have 2 hoovers this election-which one do u want?

  312. So did Pelosi try to use the economy to get her messiah voted in? Was she prepared to take all the credit if the bill was a success? Was she prepared to blame the repubs if it wasn’t?

    The woman is a shameless_____ (fill in the blank)

  313. No ACORN period. Democrat Sanchez on TV now saying that she wanted the “bankruptcy/mortgage” protection put back in (aka ACORN). They’ll be trying again. We have to be vocal, loud and just say NO DEAL.

  314. Exactly what you guys are talking about, about ACORN. Notice the article is from July’08. So they already have their millions for voter registration from that July HOUSING bill Bush signed. {See also Easton McNeal’s blog at NQ on this.}

    online.wsj.com/article/SB121745181676698197.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  315. Rove just said on O’Reilly that Pelosi allowed 16 freshman congressman to vote against the bill for political cover back home.
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    lets see 13 dems needed to pass bill minus 16 dems pelosi allowed to vote against it = . . . .? I know–blame the republicans! (Nancy Poopsie best dang speaker in the whole dang congress). Slow larner. And where is bambi hiding? Why didnt he deliver the 40 votes of the black caucus. And yes Nancy horray for Barney who helped get us into this mess/

  316. The only problem is democrats are out in full force on MSM saying republicans sabotaged the bill. MSM will not report that the real culprits were the dems themselves.

  317. The only problem is democrats are out in full force on MSM saying republicans sabotaged the bill. MSM will not report that the real culprits were the dems themselves
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    that is always the problem alright. mccain needs to get gingrich out there.

  318. However people are not stupid. People know Dems have the majority, so how can Republicans sabotage when Dems have more than enough votes to rail the bill through.

    Truth is Dems don’t need the repub votes, they wanted political ass cover, people are not dumb.

  319. Pelosi played politics with this, which is why she needed more than 25% Republican votes. She did not want Dems to take a fall for it. It was just reported on FOX that Pelosi allowed 16 freshman congressman to vote against the bill for political cover back home.

    Keeping her majority was more important to her than rallying her party to vote for an unpopular bill, even though SHE says it was absolutely needed and a good bill to avert another Great Depression.

    What that says to me is that when she and Frank and Hoyer and Emmanuel stand in front of the cameras and tell us that they really, truly, deeply believe that this is an unprecedented doomsday scenario, they are LYING. If they believed that, they would have pushed the freshmen to vote for it.

    Whether you or I believe that it is doomsday or not, one thing is for certain. The Dems in Congress do not believe it.

  320. Why is all of this being done in closed meetings?

    I want public hearings, with real economists and real numbers, not after-the-fact press conferences with platitudes.

    Cancel your damn holiday. If this is as big a crisis as you say it is, then stay there and sleep in shifts.

    I am a nurse. I’ve pulled many a 16 hour shift for days in a row in an emergency. I slept at the damn hospital in 4 hour spurts for 4 days once, during a bad ice storm. I did it during hurricane Hugo as well.

    You will look pretty ratty for the cameras, but you won’t die. Do your FUCKING job.

  321. Hannity is showing that youtube of the Dems in 2004 denying that anything was wrong with fannie and Freddie.

  322. First off, Pelosi let her friends off the hook so they could vote no. She did this because she wanted to pull in the republicans and tighten the noose. They found her out and now she is crying wolf.

    Then Barney accuses those Republicans who didn’t vote for it as not caring about the country. Um…I guess that can be applied to those dims who voted against it as well?

    I am sick of the lot of them dimwits. What a stain on the party.

  323. HillaryforTexas Says:

    I have been told on another blog that paulson is a Dem.Don’t know if that’s true, will try to find out

  324. WTH ever happened with the rumor JM was going to start releasing a video a week leading up to the election?
    His numbers are dropping! BO is gaining in Ohio, PA, VA, CO . . . WTF!!!!!!!

    And BM is trashing JM . . . .

    Anyone see a way out for him?

  325. ACORN welcomes the opportunity to renegotiate a package that will actually do something for homeowners on Main Street and not just bail out Wall Street. Ninety-five Democrats voted against the bailout bill because it did not do nearly enough for families struggling to pay the mortgage and who are teetering on the brink of foreclosure. If a better plan comes back that will do more to assist struggling homeowners, it stands a chance of passing.
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    Those are Obamas words, near exact as I can tell.

  326. If this were such a f***ing crisis, why did pooplosi give cover to 16 freshman dems? How many votes were they short? Wouldn’t a real crisis demand every vote, regardless of the outcome?

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    HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    Obama is SCUM. He has been scouring Alaska looking for a rape victim to appear in a Palin-bashing ad. This was NOT a 527, this was his campaign

    New politics, don’t you know? I thought most hospitals charged insurance companies for rape kits. Has this changed?
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  327. Admin

    “Obama will intimidate in order to silence.”

    This statement is so telling of the way our elections have run in the past. Seems nothing has “changed” this year with BHO.

    What both parties have done is turn off voters by raising doubts and exacerbating fear. This will guarantee that voters that are totally fed up and don’t go to the polls.

    Intimidation is one tool and a sad one with certain outcomes.

  328. basil, I can think of several possible explanations:

    1) They don’t want to do this during an economic crisis and are waiting at least until a bill is passed.
    2) They don’t really have the ammunition we’ve been led to believe they have.
    3) McCain is not willing to go scorched earth.

  329. Have any of you been polled?

    Dems are slick, i still say this is a ploy to scare people into voting for Bo. Talk to people they still beleive it is Bush, until you tell them the Dems have control of the house. I swear sometime it seems you are talking to a dead mule. They don’t read, all they do is listen to the media. They take their word as the gospel

  330. Neeta: I think you are right. Pooplosi gave cover to 16 freshman dems, 95 dems voted against the bill. Something is fishy. I don’t understand, why, they are gambling with people’s lives and the well-being of the country. The Repubs are no saints, but if you want bipartisan support, at least treat people with respect (to Nasty).

  331. I AM SO FRUSTRATED. This was supposed to be Hillary’s year. Who is stronger on the economy then Hillary? Neither Obama or McCain have any clue what they are talking about. Hillary would be 10 to 15 points ahead, in my opinion because she would be out there every day reminding voters what needs to be done with the economy. I’ll be just livid if Obama wins because the economy is so bad. Ugh. Eight years of his arrogant, intimidate to silence, all about me mug for the next years. Maybe it’s darkest before dawn, but come on, this should have been Hillary.

  332. I think the only way they could get acorn in was to have the first vote fail. they will revamp and unless we make lots of noise I bet there is a provision. Upside I believe that at least fox referenced them today.

  333. One other thing, if the Congressional Black Caucus voted against this bill, did they do this with Bo’s blessing? Was it because ACORN was out of the bill? What the heck is going on?

  334. McCain’s campaign seems to be falling apart. All this crisis is favoring Obama. His campaign’s viability also depends on Thursday’s debate. I hope that Sarah Palin pulls through. From what I’ve been seeing, she’s either not very knowledgeable or she is setting all of us up for a big surprise at the debate. Let’s hope it’s the latter.

  335. For those who do not oppose ANYTHING or anybody connected with ACORN or LaRAZ, please google them -find out who started and funded them, find out who trained the boots on the ground, find out the tactics of theivery and thuggery they were taught, find out how it was all about getting government money and using it for things I do not want my tax dollars used for, find out their organizing and their voter fraud activities nationwide; and find out which Presidential candidate owns them and that they own him. NO ACORN or LA RAZ – ot with my hard earned tax dollars. My congressman voted against the bill.

    I just do not understand for the life of me why the politicians think we have to bailout the criminals and wall street by buying bad paper; as Trump suggested, why not buy good paper and that would be an investment???
    I am 110% against a bailout – we allowed this problem to happen and grow for years, we must now take our medicine. I predict that as painful as what may happen will be, that the pain of more bailouts to come would be more painful and for longer. Where are all the Henny Penny’s when all these Chicken Little’s are screaming – the sky is falling?

    Moon, great saying – if the gavel is too heavy, pass it to someone else Pelosi.

  336. birdgal
    JJ Jr dissed his own father for waffles
    waffles is a viable candidate(yuck) because of acorn
    acorn is an integral part of this financial nightmare
    We all have to write our representatives and so no how no way acorn in the bailout.

  337. O’S DANGEROUS PALS

    By STANLEY KURTZ

    September 29, 2008 —

    WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

    In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

    In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it.

    THE seeds of today’s financial meltdown lie in the Commu nity Reinvestment Act – a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.

    CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in “subprime” loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.

    Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA – and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.

    In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America’s financial institutions.

    Banks already overexposed by these shaky loans were pushed still further in the wrong direction when government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac began buying up their bad loans and offering them for sale on world markets.

    Fannie and Freddie acted in response to Clinton administration pressure to boost homeownership rates among minorities and the poor. However compassionate the motive, the result of this systematic disregard for normal credit standards has been financial disaster.

    ONE key pioneer of ACORN’s subprime-loan shakedown racket was Madeline Talbott – an activist with extensive ties to Barack Obama. She was also in on the ground floor of the disastrous turn in Fannie Mae’s mortgage policies.

    Long the director of Chicago ACORN, Talbott is a specialist in “direct action” – organizers’ term for their militant tactics of intimidation and disruption. Perhaps her most famous stunt was leading a group of ACORN protesters breaking into a meeting of the Chicago City Council to push for a “living wage” law, shouting in defiance as she was arrested for mob action and disorderly conduct. But her real legacy may be her drive to push banks into making risky mortgage loans.

    In February 1990, Illinois regulators held what was believed to be the first-ever state hearing to consider blocking a thrift merger for lack of compliance with CRA. The challenge was filed by ACORN, led by Talbott. Officials of Bell Federal Savings and Loan Association, her target, complained that ACORN pressure was undermining its ability to meet strict financial requirements it was obligated to uphold and protested being boxed into an “affirmative-action lending policy.” The following years saw Talbott featured in dozens of news stories about pressuring banks into higher-risk minority loans.

    IN April 1992, Talbott filed an other precedent-setting com plaint using the “community support requirements” of the 1989 savings-and-loan bailout, this time against Avondale Federal Bank for Savings. Within a month, Chicago ACORN had organized its first “bank fair” at Malcolm X College and found 16 Chicago-area financial institutions willing to participate.

    Two months later, aided by ACORN organizer Sandra Maxwell, Talbott announced plans to conduct demonstrations in the lobbies of area banks that refused to attend an ACORN-sponsored national bank “summit” in New York. She insisted that banks show a commitment to minority lending by lowering their standards on downpayments and underwriting – for example, by overlooking bad credit histories.

    By September 1992, The Chicago Tribune was describing Talbott’s program as “affirma- tive-action lending” and ACORN was issuing fact sheets bragging about relaxations of credit standards that it had won on behalf of minorities.

    And Talbott continued her effort to, as she put it, drag banks “kicking and screaming” into high-risk loans. A September 1993 story in The Chicago Sun-Times presents her as the leader of an initiative in which five area financial institutions (including two of her former targets, now plainly cowed – Bell Federal Savings and Avondale Federal Savings) were “participating in a $55 million national pilot program with affordable-housing group ACORN to make mortgages for low- and moderate-income people with troubled credit histories.”

    What made this program different from others, the paper added, was the participation of Fannie Mae – which had agreed to buy up the loans. “If this pilot program works,” crowed Talbott, “it will send a message to the lending community that it’s OK to make these kind of loans.”

    Well, the pilot program “worked,” and Fannie Mae’s message that risky loans to minorities were “OK” was sent. The rest is financial-meltdown history.

    IT would be tough to find an “on the ground” community organizer more closely tied to the subprime-mortgage fiasco than Madeline Talbott. And no one has been more supportive of Madeline Talbott than Barack Obama.

    When Obama was just a budding community organizer in Chicago, Talbott was so impressed that she asked him to train her personal staff.

    He returned to Chicago in the early ’90s, just as Talbott was starting her pressure campaign on local banks. Chicago ACORN sought out Obama’s legal services for a “motor voter” case and partnered with him on his 1992 “Project VOTE” registration drive.

    In those years, he also conducted leadership-training seminars for ACORN’s up-and-coming organizers. That is, Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott’s drive against Chicago’s banks.

    More than that, Obama was funding them. As he rose to a leadership role at Chicago’s Woods Fund, he became the most powerful voice on the foundation’s board for supporting ACORN and other community organizers. In 1995, the Woods Fund substantially expanded its funding of community organizers – and Obama chaired the committee that urged and managed the shift.

    That committee’s report on strategies for funding groups like ACORN features all the key names in Obama’s organizer network. The report quotes Talbott more than any other figure; Sandra Maxwell, Talbott’s ACORN ally in the bank battle, was also among the organizers consulted.

    MORE, the Obama-supervised Woods Fund report ac knowledges the problem of getting donors and foundations to contribute to radical groups like ACORN – whose confrontational tactics often scare off even liberal donors and foundations.

    Indeed, the report brags about pulling the wool over the public’s eye. The Woods Fund’s claim to be “nonideological,” it says, has “enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and government ‘establishments’ without undue risk of being criticized for partisanship.”

    Hmm. Radicalism disguised by a claim to be postideological. Sound familiar?

    The Woods Fund report makes it clear Obama was fully aware of the intimidation tactics used by ACORN’s Madeline Talbott in her pioneering efforts to force banks to suspend their usual credit standards. Yet he supported Talbott in every conceivable way. He trained her personal staff and other aspiring ACORN leaders, he consulted with her extensively, and he arranged a major boost in foundation funding for her efforts.

    And, as the leader of another charity, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama channeled more funding Talbott’s way – ostensibly for education projects but surely supportive of ACORN’s overall efforts.

    In return, Talbott proudly announced her support of Obama’s first campaign for state Senate, saying, “We accept and respect him as a kindred spirit, a fellow organizer.”

    IN short, to understand the roots of the subprime-mort gage crisis, look to ACORN’s Madeline Talbott. And to see how Talbott was able to work her mischief, look to Barack Obama.

    Then you’ll truly know what community organizers do.

  338. This may be a small thing but I was so happy that there was a female Speaker.

    Now we’ll be lucky if there’ll be a second in 50 years.

  339. Monday, September 29, 2008
    Obama’s Bounce: Dead Cat or Trend?
    Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 9:25 AM
    Aided by a MSM willing to say whatever it has to say to help Obama make it to 1600, the democratic nominee has not yet been hurt by his very poor performance on Friday night’s debate. Weekend talking heads chanting “ties go to the winner” nonsense and the output of loyalists like E.J. Dionne are trying to make Obama’s halting answers on Iraq, Pakistan and especially North Korea seem like C-minuses on a pass-fail test. The cringe-inducing bracelet moment has surfaced in just a few places, and McCain’s dominance on the facts concerning Russia and his memorable “You don’t do that” dismissal of Obama’s threats towards our ally in Pakistan will get their full play this morning on all the talk shows, and of course Bill Bennett’s, Rush’s, Dennis’, Sean’s, Michael’s, Mark’s and my reach will instantly overshadow all the work done by CNN and the nets to spin this into “a draw that helps the rookie.”

    Obama doesn’t know what he’s talking about on the perils we face abroad, and he was led around by the hand on the bailout package. He is a figurehead for Democratic party elites from the hard left edge of the party. While the financial panic erased McCain’s momentum by taking the real reform message off the front pages, it will be back as markets settle. The focus on the triggers of the crisis –look to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the friends of Bill Clinton– can’t be bottled up now that the legislation is in place. The idea of turning all parts of the government over to the gang that engineered the structure that brought it upon us is so absurd that only the MSM can ignore it, not voters.

    Obama’s nearly 5 point lead in the RCP combined poll average has many nervous e-mailers sending me “it’s over” e-mails, but of course it is just beginning, and the deep uncertainty and fear in the country doesn’t help an untested Chicago machine pol much if at all or for long. (The Battleground dead-heat numbers should encourage the worriers, as it is a long reliable and respected poll, though so are Gallup and Rasmussen with their 8 and 6 point Obama leads.)

    The Palin pile-on from the the Manhattan-Beltway media elite also is working a strange and important reaction in the electorate, driving liberals deeper into their blind hate of the accomplished and popular governor, and rallying the conservative base to her cause. The cultural divide in the country –obscured by the financial mess– didn’t go away, and it will dominate this week and weekend.

    Palin faces an enormous challenge, just as she did on the night of her acceptance speech. She will not be graded on the curve by the MSM as Obama was.

    But she does believe the right things, and understands the crucial choice facing the country. These are significant advantages. And if the momentum reverses itself again as is likely, Sarah Palin’s performance Thursday night will be the third time she has re-energized the McCain campaign.

  340. hillaryfortexas,

    Yes, and if Reid had really believed it was so urgent, he wouldn’t have rescheduled the Senate vote around a debate schedule.

    Imo they are crying ‘crisis’ to get this thing through without anyone having time to cut out the pork.

    It’s looting in a disaster, and stealing from the disaster relief funds.

    Didn’t someone, Cavuto?, say that the savings and loan crash was much worse than this?

  341. hellllllllllllo mccain?

    Has McCain “unsuspended” his campaign yet? If not, he better get back to campaign action!

    Quote:
    WASHINGTON: Republican John McCain has maneuvered himself into a political dead end and has five weeks to find his way out.

    Last Wednesday, McCain suspended his presidential campaign to insert himself into a $700 billion effort to rescue America’s crumbling financial structure. In so doing, he tied himself far more tightly to the bill than did his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama.

    Then, as the bailout plan appeared ready for passage Monday in the House of Representatives, McCain bragged that he was an action-oriented Teddy Roosevelt Republican who did not sit on the sidelines at a moment of crisis.

    The implication: that he played a critical role in building bipartisan support for the unprecedented bailout.

    “I went to Washington last week to make sure that the taxpayers of Ohio and across this great country were not left footing the bill for mistakes made on Wall Street and in Washington,” McCain said at a campaign rally in swing-state Ohio.

    Both he and Obama had insisted the plan originally proposed by the Bush administration be strengthened with greater oversight and regulation.

    Within hours, however, the measure died in the House mainly at the hands of McCain’s own Republicans.

    Initially, McCain went silent, choosing instead to send his chief economic adviser out with a statement that blamed Obama, claiming that the first-term Illinois senator — who would be the country’s first black president — had put his political ambitions ahead of the good of the country.

    “This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country,” McCain senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin said in a statement.

    It wasn’t long, however, before McCain told reporters in Iowa: “Now is not the time to fix the blame, it’s time to fix the problem.”

    All in all, McCain might have been better served by staying out of the mess and above the fray.

    If Congress’ impasse leads to a credit crisis, “it’s not going to be good for McCain,” said veteran Republican consultant John Feehery.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/30/america/NA-POL-US-Elections-Analysis.php

  342. Sorry to repeat myself, but I think the most important thing that any of us can do over the next two days is to write and then write again to our reps telling them absolutely no to any and all ACORN provisions. The fact that the entire black caucas went against bambi on this tells me the whole thing was a ruse to ensure ACORN was a part of the bill.
    Again sorry for redundancy but I noticed I was sandwhiched between very long posts. Easy to get lost there. Intent?

  343. HRC2009 Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
    McCain’s campaign seems to be falling apart. All this crisis is favoring Obama. His campaign’s viability also depends on Thursday’s debate. I hope that Sarah Palin pulls through. From what I’ve been seeing, she’s either not very knowledgeable or she is setting all of us up for a big surprise at the debate. Let’s hope it’s the latter.
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  344. McCain’s campaign is not falling apart. Neither side is benefiting from what is happening right now. McCain will land on his feet and push back. Obama’s polling is corrupt and always has been.

  345. karl rove on Pelosi and today’s votes; also said that he heard a Dem congressman say that they were using the economy against republicans in the fall:

    homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/bik244421698.html

  346. I have been told on another blog that paulson is a Dem.Don’t know if that’s true, will try to find out
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    gonzotx: that is my recollection as well. There was some question whether he would accept the position for precisely that reason.

  347. Hi, All: Forbes and Newt seem to have the fundamentals correct. It is also disgusting that the Dems may also want to pass the big piggy bank bill so they will have a bunch of money to hand out to their friends after (a presumed) BO presidency.

  348. wbboei
    I have read that the internet militia hired by ovomit recognize one another by having 4 digits in screen name and those that are compensated are identified through that means. Also informed by a recovering koolaid drinker that they are instructed to post really long articles on blogs to slow things up and make valid points disappear.

  349. basil, I can think of several possible explanations:

    1) They don’t want to do this during an economic crisis and are waiting at least until a bill is passed.
    2) They don’t really have the ammunition we’ve been led to believe they have.
    3) McCain is not willing to go scorched earth.
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    I am guessing number 1.

  350. wbboei I have read that the internet militia hired by ovomit recognize one another by having 4 digits in screen name and those that are compensated are identified through that means. Also informed by a recovering koolaid drinker that they are instructed to post really long articles on blogs to slow things up and make valid points disappear.

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    thanks henry. So that is their code. I am glad to know that koolaid is not uniformly lethal.

  351. I am glad Newt is on tv. He needs to be out there explaining this stuff. He was a high school teacher and knows how to communicate complex information so most of us can understand it. Notice I did suggest this before I knew he was going on. He needs to be out there more. He can run circles around these pundits. The other guy who is very good at interviews is Boehner/ John Fund needs to be out there talking about ACORN–which I see as a protection racket/

  352. henry Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    wbboei
    I have read that the internet militia hired by ovomit recognize one another by having 4 digits in screen name and those that are compensated are identified through that means.
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    For the record I only have 3 digits in my screen name. 🙂

  353. wbboei, Newt has been a regular on H&C and Greta for weeks. I have relied on him to speak truth and he seems to deliver most of the time.

  354. pm317
    I was just relaying info given to me by a former hardcore bot. Funny thing was that he contacted me after the FISA tado. I hadn’t talked to him in almost twenty years but he remembered how adamant I was about working for dukakis in college and wanted to know what I thought. Imagine his shock to her me selling McCain.

  355. By the way, a koolaid drinker @ work was having a co worker fill out a voter registration form, the problem was the co worker was not a US citizen. Of course I pointed that out. This highly educated koolaid drinking ultra liberal idiot said”well, Ill just take it in and see”. I told them both, and pointed it out on the sheet that it was a federal offense. The co worker gave it to me and I ripped it up. This is what we are dealing with !

  356. cant stand newt. that dude is partly to blame for this mess. his deregs that he pushed into law hurt us now. he forever tainted the use of impeachment by using it against bill over a freaking affair. of course newtie was having one at the same time and served papers to his wife stricken with cancer. his ruined pbs, tried to screw medicare and shut down our govt many times. he is no freind to the people.

  357. pm317 Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    henry Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    wbboei
    I have read that the internet militia hired by ovomit recognize one another by having 4 digits in screen name and those that are compensated are identified through that means.
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    For the record I only have 3 digits in my screen name.
    *****************************************

    You must be female and they will only pay you 75% as much as the male obotpods…

  358. pm317
    for weeks Newt has been criticizing a non profit group that has rec’d tens of millions of dollars from the gov’t that proceeded to become a political army
    Who do you think he was refering to? LOL

  359. This may be a small thing but I was so happy that there was a female Speaker.
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    I was too freckles until I got a good look at her in action. Part of the blame here has to go to Stenie Hoyer. He is the whip. And counting votes is usually the whip’s job as well. But ultimatley it is her job and she blew it big time. Very very very weak.

  360. I’m spotting these all over the pro-Hillary blogs now. We used to call them “hand-wringers” in the day…

    Good post from hillbuzz: (excerpt)

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/attention-all-eeyores-stop-getting-yourselves-all-worked-up-for-nothing/

    We’ve always been very upfront around here that we have no tolerance for Eeyores — that’s what we call people who listen to the MSM’s propaganda and run around screaming things like, “It’s over!”, “SoetorObama will win in a landslide!”, “MSNBC says there’s no way SoetorObama can’t lose!”.

    The Maistream Media (MSM) in this country is as reliable as Tokyo Rose in terms of this election — and the polls people cite claiming SoetorObama is winning states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana don’t factor in upwards of 10-12% “undecided” that will go to McCain 70-30, if not 80-20 (even Chuck Todd from MSNBC said this, and we about fell off our chair when we saw he admitted it). The polls are also oversampling both black voters and Democrats, which we believe makes all three of the states above McCain wins on Election Day.

    The MSM is doing a very effective job for SoetorObama in one respect: it is really good at freaking Eeyores out. These are the same Eeyores who would listen to the mainstream media during the primaries and would email or call us nonstop in the days before Ohio/Texas, Indiana, and even Super Tuesday, frantic the MSM said SoetorObama would win states like California, New Jersey, and even New York. Of course, Clinton triumphed in all of those.

    We believe the MSM wasn’t even trying to convince new voters “to come to SoetorObama” by doing all of this. The goal has always been to freak out Eeyores and throw their game off, keep them from working effectively, first for Hillary and now for McCain, by wasting all of their time and energy freaking out, and depressing the people around them.

    Well, people, it’s tough love time.

  361. Henry, Yes I know you’re just relaying the info — interesting info (my comment was a joke). At least your friend had the sense to get out of it. Those people make me sick.

    Good for you, Gonzo!

  362. cant stand newt. that dude is partly to blame for this mess. his deregs that he pushed into law hurt us now. he forever tainted the use of impeachment by using it against bill over a freaking affair. of course newtie was having one at the same time and served papers to his wife stricken with cancer. his ruined pbs, tried to screw medicare and shut down our govt many times. he is no freind to the people.
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    You dont have to like him. Just use him.

  363. abc reports dems wont try to pass dem bill with consumer protections. fools.

    Stephanopoulos: What’s Next? Congress Mulls Four Options
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    ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos reports: There are meetings going on right now on Capitol Hill to try to figure out what to do about the $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill that failed to pass the House today.

    Congressional sources tell ABC News that what they’re talking about right now are three or four basic baskets of options:

    # 1 — Muscle Bailout Bill Through House: Some leaders suggest those House Republicans on the fence will be swayed by seeing what the markets do tomorrow, which could be more bad news. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped over 700 points today as the administration’s bailout bill failed in Congress This option would see House leaders try again to muscle through the votes they need to get the $700 billion bailout bill passed.

    #2 — Pass Bailout in Senate First: Some Senate and House leaders have been talking about letting the Senate go first and pass the bailout package, ABC News has learned. There appears to be broader support in the Senate for the bailout package. This option would see the Senate vote first which would increase the pressure on the House to pass the Bush administration’s bailout bill.

    #3 — Make Small Tweaks to the Bill: Congressional leaders wonder if perhaps there are a couple of small tweaks they can make to the package that would bring along the 12 votes they lost the vote by. Option A, sources say, could be adding a line that some economists have said is absolutely necessary for the FDIC to guarantee all deposits in transaction accounts, not just up to $100,000. That would deal with the credit crunch and it would be quite popular, some on Capitol Hill argue. Option B would be eliminating the mark-to-market rule that many Republicans and conservatives complain about, which ensures financial decision-makers must show their losses in real time.

    #4 — Get More Democrats On Board: Finally, one other unlikely option talked about on Capitol Hill is to try to pass the bill almost entirely with the Democratic majority in the House. That would require adding a major stimulus package favored by Democrats, infrastructure spending, unemployment insurance spending, and heating and food stamp assistance for low-income Americans.

    All of that is being discussed right now. We’re not likely to hear members have landed on any single proposal until at least tomorrow.

    Nothing will be done for at least a day and a half as Congress is in recess because of the Jewish New Year. The Senate won’t be back until Wednesday afternoon and the House of Representatives is adjourned until Thursday.

    However the bigger sell to Congress to do something may be the consequences of not acting. More bad news through the end of the week that might do it.

    Bailout Politics

    Everyone knew it was going to be a close vote, but we’ve never seen anything like this.

    There was a Republican president, a Democratic Speaker of the House, a Democratic majority leader, the entire Republican and Democratic leadership from both sides of Congress and both presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain arguing for this package.

    But a peek at the upcoming congressional races of the people who voted against this package provides some insight.

    We calculate there are about 31 competitive House races divided between Democratic and Republican House members, and 24 of the 31 members in competitive districts voted against this package.

    No one wants to vote for this. Even those who were arguing for it on the House floor today said ‘we know this package is painful, we know it’s hard to argue that we should be spending up to $700 billion in a way that might end up benefiting the banks.’ It’s a hard pill to swallow despite the arguments about what’s its going to mean for Main Street.

    However the fundamental problem for Republicans is that in an election year when the incumbent is not on the ballot, but you’ve had eight straight years of Republicans in the White House, any bad economic news is likely to fall harder at this point on Republicans.

    Obama called on Congress to get the bill passed and McCain blamed Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for injecting what he called “unnecessary partisanship” into the equation.

    Many Republicans are complaining about a floor speech Pelosi gave prior to the vote, where she laid so much of the blame on eight years of Republican economics and President George Bush’s policies.

    The Democrats are arguing it’s unbelievable that hurt feelings would prompt the Republicans to switch their vote and perhaps cause an economic disaster.

    Neither presidential candidate has given any indication that they are going to suspend their campaign and run back to Washington, DC to deal with this. However it’s likely well see both Obama and McCain in Washington in person when that vote finally comes.

    September 29, 2008 in

  364. matildacollier Says: No ACORN period. Democrat Sanchez on TV now saying that she wanted the “bankruptcy/mortgage” protection put back in (aka ACORN). They’ll be trying again. We have to be vocal, loud and just say NO DEAL

    Huh? “aka acorn”? ?Bzzt. Wait a minute. Acorn may be trying to get credit for promoting a bankruptcy provision — but Acorn itself does not deserve to get funding in this bill! It is to separate issues.

  365. pm317
    what I found most interesting was his confession about the long posts. He told me it was the best way to distract from any real issue.

  366. CountTheVotes Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I’m spotting these all over the pro-Hillary blogs now. We used to call them “hand-wringers” in the day…

    Good post from hillbuzz: (excerpt)
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    I think I left a post on the MSM propaganda at NQ. They are trying to create an aura of inevitability of Princess O winning. It is a type of voter suppression. If you can make people think their NO vote has no value because he is going to win anyway, then those people may not make the effort to go vote NO.

  367. turndown: I thought the bankruptcy/mortgage protection part, was separate from ACORN. I thought, they were two separate issues.

  368. Does anyone else feel like taking it to the streets and screaming no acorn.

    I believe they are just waiting for one my crisis and then it’ll be pushed through. NO way no how the apostles of waffles voted against the bill without his approval. WE ARE BEING PLAYED!!!!

  369. henry Says:

    September 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
    Okay I am ready for any abuse that comes my way, but I have to say I pitied Pelosi today.
    **************************************************

    AND YOU SIR DESERVE ANY AND ALL ABUSE YOU GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  370. In Ohio, I have been inundated every day with mailings in support of Obama. I see commercials for Obama. But nothing from McCain. My God, when is he going to step up and start fighting Obama in Ohio? It is typically a Republican state, and McCain was winning, but now there is only a 1% lead for McCain here. He is going to lose this state if he doesn’t start fighting. He should have a commercial about Obama’s huge connection to ACORN and its history to this economic meltdown, i.e., threatening and intimidating banks to offer mortgages, without down payments, to people with no credit or poor credit history. When I bought my first house, by myself 13 years ago, I made a good down payment, and resisted the lender’s pressure into buying a more expensive house. I knew what I could afford. Yet lenders, and some of the public, were irresponsible with these mortgages. Obama showed very poor judgment by promoting cheap and easy credit through ACORN. Doesn’t he bear any responsibility in this economic mess? As everyone knows, the media is jamming him down our throats as the next president, so there isn’t much of a chance to see any real investigation into his background. A lot of people who were Democrats voting for McCain are now considering just staying at home on Nov. 4 because they are so disgusted with the media. Very sad.

  371. The evidence is pretty clear that ACORN is a corrupt organization. It does not belong in any bail-out bill. The answer has got to be no today, no tomorrow, no next week, no next year, no, no, no. They will lose more votes than they gain by reinserting this one. They had the votes to pass the bill without ACORN but Pelosi scewed the pooch. If they can go back to the status quo ante and get those 16 to vote in favor then the bill will pass. That responsibility rests wiht Poopsie.

  372. gonotx
    that last exclanation point was unnecessary.
    trust me I loathe abhor depise the cretin, but i placed myself in her shoes and thought ouch, wrong pair. I was an idiot for buying and I already wore them to long so I can’t return and I have shown them to all of my friends and they were very very expensive so I just have to grimace botox and bear it.

  373. pm317 Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    ***
    pm317 – YUP – we’ve seen it before. the psychological warfare and its media affiliates against voters is ramping up. we’ve seen it before. it was present every day of the primary of Clinton v. the Fraud.

    Clinton underestimate how powerful the propaganda would be…it seems to me that the Republicans saw it happen to Clinton yet aren’t quite prepared for it either. I was telling a friend that Hillary’s grassroots support grew right after she announced her loan to the campaign, and now McCain’s grassroots need to grow and pushback.

    it’s amazing that the Fraud just can’t close the deal and win it via his own abilities – he has to try and win through voter suppression, election fraud, media distortion, poll rigging, suppression of free speech…if the Fraud makes it, it’ll be the most corrupt White House ever.

  374. I think all those Democratic Representatives looking at their re-election this year are very scared.
    Their leader is looking out for noone but herself. She pushed a bill when it was not ready, did not know for certain its outcome and then goes on to diss the republicans that came to the table to work on it.
    The approval ratings of congress are at historic lows, the people’s faith in government is gone, accountability is dried up…and the dems want to give us NObama

    Admiin please let me repeat this for you….

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama

    Admin… care to remind us the rollercoaster of polls we were on in the primaries, care to remind us how the democratic leadership appointed BHO, care to remind us the theft of delegates, care to remind how the media did everything they could to destroy Hillary and then tell us how Hillary Clinton went on to win the popular vote?

    Why is Hillary not our candidate?

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    And neither can the democratic leadership!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama

  375. Imo the following sound like pretty good ideas. I wonder how closely they have been stolen from Hillary? Her approach (see WSJ) was “Let’s keep people in their homes”).

    To really solve our broader economic woes, we must address the underlying problem of unnecessary foreclosures. One critical way to do this is to include bankruptcy shelter in the bailout package, which was dropped from the negotiations over the weekend.

    “Another way to stem foreclosures is to include tighter language directing the Treasury Secretary to prioritize purchasing those distressed assets like whole mortgages where Treasury would have the authority to modify the mortgages and avoid unnecessary foreclosures. Additionally, Treasury could be directed not to purchase any securities or other assets that lack such authority to modify. This would ensure that the public’s investment in Wall Street’s bad assets actually results in a reduction in foreclosures, so that we can stabilize home prices and restore liquidity in a permanent way to our markets. That’s the recipe for a bailout in which both Main Street and Wall Street can benefit.”

    Letting Acorn present this statement sounds like typical Obama sneaky. But we can add those provisions wihtout giving Acorn any money!

  376. Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama
    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama
    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama
    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama

  377. ADMIN
    If at all possible during these next few vital weeks post Alinskys Methods at the top of each post so as to inform the trolls that we are aware and that they are wasting thier time

  378. CountTheVotes Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am
    pm317 Says:
    September 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    ***
    pm317 – YUP – we’ve seen it before. the psychological warfare and its media affiliates against voters is ramping up. we’ve seen it before. it was present every day of the primary of Clinton v. the Fraud.
    ——————————————–
    I was discussing this with a friend today who sees the glass as half empty. When the media is against you, when everything you say is twisted, when they give your opponent a free ride who can stand up against the gale force wind she asked. My answer was Hillary Rodham Clinton. With the entire media against her, with the dnc rigging the caucuses and with being outspent 4 to 1 she still won the popular vote.

    McCain does not have the entire media against him, can spend as much money as bambi if he would just start doing it, and he has no caucuses to worry about–he can sure as hell win! The question is will he.

    We have been trying for months to tell the other campaign will pursue scorched earth strategies and the election will not be won on media and message only. We have emphasized the importance of a ground game and but only now has his campaign started to wake up. He needs to get as aggressive and ruthless as bambi as I mentioned last night–quickly. It can be done.

  379. Hey Idunn
    Told you months ago that my niece was concerned that you only had basic cable. Funny thing I took her to the museum of natural history yesterday and when we were in the Native American part she asked me about you. She is in third grade and I was at a loss that she even remembered. She asked me how you were doing. I however was not listenning and tried to explain to her something about being black/indian/white. she shut me up and asked well how is she.

  380. Paula Says: 2) They don’t really have the ammunition we’ve been led to believe they have.

    =============

    There’s plenty of ammunition everyone has already: Wright’s tapes etc. Since they’re not even using those yet, there must be some other reason.

  381. birdgal Says: Perhaps, bankruptcy protection should be in the bill, but nothing to ACORN.
    ==============

    I agree.

  382. LOL…gotta love a girl that stays focused! 🙂

    Tell that little goddess I’m doing great. How’s she liking school this year?

  383. texan4hillary Says: I stand with the 2 people who now the mst about the economy and what we must do-bill and hillary.

    =========

    Ordinarilly I would be saying that too. But after Bill and HIllary have been supporting Obama for months, I no longer have complete faith in them. Maybe they’re being forced to support this thing also.

  384. Even if some people were stupid to fall for these mortggagses, throwing them out of their homes and leaving the homes vacant to be destroyed is a stupid move. Two stupids don’t maek a smaret.

  385. henry Says: Am I correct in assuming that had there been an ACORN provision the bill would have passed
    ==============

    Probably an Acorn provision would have meant worse defeat. There are more opponents to Acorn than there are supporters.

  386. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 12:55 am
    Even if some people were stupid to fall for these mortggagses, throwing them out of their homes and leaving the homes vacant to be destroyed is a stupid move. Two stupids don’t maek a smaret.
    ———————————————-
    correct! which is what hillary has been saying.

  387. You may have all seen this video about what led to the current crisis and apparently youtube took this video down because of the background music and copyright violations (what is new?). But it is now available here. What is striking to me is that if they elect Obama, they would be electing the same culprits who were partly responsible for this fiasco — the history of Carter, Clinton and Republicans and deregulation leading up to this is not such a big factor now as Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Obama, and the rest of those crooks who are still here and the irony of ironies is that they are trusted more because Dems are better at economy? Lost in all of this is that McCain was the guy who tried to do something about Fannie and Freddie.

    uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

    I also saw Pelosi’s speech today which killed the bailout plan. She was very bad. Oddly she was railing against Paulson and Bush and their plan for 700B and if that were the case why was she pushing it? (I know they modified it but that did not come out in the speech.) It seemed more like she wanted to give the impression she and her cronies were not on Bush’s and Paulson’s side of it. What a joke!

  388. then you stand with Obama. Good for you
    =========

    Aw, maybe it’s just Obama has danced around to stand with her for a moment.

  389. idunn
    very well in school and hopefully she’ll learn to appreciate knowledge. I took her to the cathedral of learning which is an extraordinary building on the university of pittsburghs campus and i had her sit in the midst of the study room. all i asked was that she be quiet. What a joy for me to display and encourage passion and education in her she has read some of your posts and I thankyou for being. I wish i could let her read some of okieatty’s but maybe a child needs to wait til fourth grade before hearing about ass cancer.

  390. HillaryforTexas Says: Hillary was not as much for the bankruptcy provisions done on an individual basis. [….] What SHE wants is to set up an entire organization to deal with the home foreclosures, like they did during the Depression. A separate “bank”, if you will, called the Homeowners Loan Corporation
    =================

    Yes. WAs the bankruptcy thing the ONLY thing in the billl to help; homeowners? Hillary’s HOLC sounds better, but the bankruptcy would be better than nothing if HOLC is not included.

    As Okie pointed out, if the government buys the mortgage, it can’t be discharged in bankruptcy; so people in bankruptcy would need some kind of help for those mortgages.

  391. Wow
    Just had a thought, what if pelosi didn’t know that she had a reservation under the bus?

    just a thought I believe that the nay votes were more about getting a bill which includes acorn.

  392. birdgal
    may I brag
    taking care of another one from dusk til dawn. She is 25 months and can count to 56. Knows all of her colors and while she cannot read can look at well over a hundred words and tell you what it means. I am however at a complete loss as to why she cannot count to 57. She goes all that way and the its 80. LUCKY ME

  393. mp Says: Step down Pelosi and Reid…Obama took credit for the bill over the weekend
    ==========

    Before it was defeated? 🙂

  394. turndownobama-com Says:
    mp Says: Step down Pelosi and Reid…Obama took credit for the bill over the weekend
    ==========
    Before it was defeated?
    ===============
    Idunn Says:
    Before it was defeated?
    ——–
    Yeah…now he calls it the McCain rescue plan.
    ==========

    Good Lord. Someone should make a timeline.

    First Obama says he’s staying out; later he says he was on the phone with them secretly commanding the whole thing; says McCain didn’t do much except disrupt it; then it fails; then he says it didn’t have enough stuff for homeowners [finallly got that right] and calls it McCain’s bill?

    I hope some intern in the GOP is getting paid to sort this out.

  395. We need to make this spread everywhere

    RESIGN PELOSI AND RESIGN NOW

    Speaker Pelosi has presided over the mos useless waste of space Congress that I have had the misfortune to see. Nine percent Nan is about as useful as stillettoes on a soggy lawn.

    The worst thing is :

    1 : She used a sensitive and timely important issue as a political football in order to play politics with peoples lives and distort the outcome.

    2 : She abused her position to make partisan statements to derail bills.

    3 : She has lost the leadership of the house, never in my born days have I seen a speaker bring there own bill only to have it defeated, quite why we are not sure yet but if 41% of your own party vote against you in your own bill then you have

    A: lost control of your party.
    B: lost respect
    C: lost credibility

    4 : She is way out of touch

    5 : No longer representing the will of the people and the people she serves.

    6 : Abused her position to try and set up the rival party and then proceeded to blame said party for the loss when clearly it was her doing.

    7 : failed to follow up her whips and her party and didnt even realise she was going to lose or did she?

    Madame Speaker, you are a mess, you and Senators, Reid, Dodd and Obama are presiding over a mess and Cong man Frank, you all need to resign for this shambles.

    We will not forget this, RESIGN NOW.

  396. moon,

    Right! Dare we hope that 40% of the Dems iirc voting against her on this might be a sign they’re thinking of dumping her as Speaker pretty soon?

  397. moononpluto Says:
    September 30th, 2008 at 3:37 am
    Thanks for the obvious facts you said.
    I think Nancy Pelosi is getting what she deserves; her wrong doings earlier this year are firing back at her. Her own party who she misled during the primaries seems to be hitting back. Not that the idea of the Bailout is wrong or right, but it didn’t have to come from her, because everybody thought it was “another one” of her rushing us on the wrong direction.

  398. The bailout is wrong, the more info is coming out the more the crap this is.

    The American citizens didn’t want this on either party except for the political elites and Wall Street…never in my history have I seen this type of behavior from LEADERS in Congress.

    And what makes me sad is my Party has lost all moral authority.

    The only person I see happy about this is Lou Dodds, he said the good guys won today.

    What I find so fascinating is that MANY in the Democratic Leadership votes no on this and the powerful Sanchez sister voted no. This tells me that the Pelosi/Reid/Dean/ wing of the party politicized and try to socialize the Financial institutions.

    The free market work…in good times and bad.

  399. WHat i also find fascinating is Pelosi told democrats that are in tight races they didn’t have to vote for this, the other senators in CA that she is tight with, they didn’t have to vote for this, so that has to tell you something. Even she knew it was a bad deal, or that the people didn’t want it.

  400. Standing Athwart History, Yelling … Sure, Go Right Ahead [Andy McCarthy]

    A friend from the Hill writes:

    For the life of me I cannot understand the Corner these days. I keep wondering where the call to “Stand up and Yell Stop” that Mr. Buckley spoke of has gone. I keep reading about the irresponsibility of House Republicans, but how is it irresponsible to stand up and say that you think a bill is bad for America? It is the height of irresponsibility for the Bush administration – and all those doing their bidding – to be screaming “crisis” and scaring the hell out of the American people, holding a shotgun to Congress’ head and then saying “there are NO other options.”

    We all get it. It’s bad out there. We’re way over-leveraged. Consumer debt is out of this world. Credit is tight at best. And banks are insolvent. We need to take action. But darn it, we should take the right kind of action.

    Are the following not real concerns about this bill?

    1) The bill has NOT been significantly improved – it is essentially THE SAME as Paulson’s original bailout
    · The alleged “Congressional action” requirement for the last $350BB in authority is false. It is, effectively, an “opt-out” by Congress, which if not exercised within 15 days of Presidential certification, expires.

    · The alleged avoidance of ACORN, “cramdown,” and unions is misleading – they were never in the original Paulson plan – only suggested by Democrats. Republicans simply did their job to keep those out.

    · Other “improvements” are of questionable value – and pale in comparison to the harm done by the bill.

    2) The Paulson-Democrat Wall Street Bailout will not work

    · Banks are highly insolvent and the capital hole to be filled would not be filled by this plan – and any attempts to do so under this plan would drive up the cost of the “toxic asset” purchases (see next point)

    · The supposed “profit” or “minimal cost to the taxpayer” is predicated on buying toxic assets low and selling them high – yet that inherently conflicts with the price point necessary to inject sufficient capital

    · But even when prices are bid up (because Treasury is incentivized to do so to make it work), there is no guarantee banks will use the money to then lend if they are still insolvent and facing a likely recession

    · This bill does nothing to deal with the over $60 trillion in largely unregulated Credit Default Swaps that are wreaking havoc with the financial system

    · The plan is operationally questionable – with little clarity about dealing with the pitfalls of price-fixing, how a “reverse auction” won’t be easily manipulated to allow prices to get bid up, and other problems

    3) The Paulson-Democrat Wall Street Bailout will arguably make things WORSE, not better

    · The plan does nothing to address the immediate commercial banking concerns – withdrawals by citizens increasingly panicked by an administration and Congress apparently hell bent on stoking the flames

    · The plan does, however, funnel money primarily to the old-line, traditional investment banks – undermining the capital position of less leveraged, commercial banks so critical to Main Street America.

    · The plan has no restrictions on buying up assets from foreign banks – banks who aren’t active lenders in U.S. markets directly and whose leverage is far greater (40x) than even American traditional investment banks (25x), whose leverage is greater than American commercial banks (10-15x).

    · Moreover, many of these foreign banks are currently being or are soon to be nationalized. Therefore, the US government would be buying toxic assets at above market prices to support foreign governments.

    · We may blow the best shot the federal government has to use taxpayer money wisely to “work out” of the current financial situation – getting it wrong will CREATE problems and HARM confidence, because fundamentally underpinning this situation is the assumption that the government can prevent a meltdown. If the plan fails, this opportunity may well disappear.

    · $700 Billion is a LOT of money, and if this doesn’t work (and even if it does, to a degree), we cannot borrow forever – as we continue piling up national debt – and risk the collapse of the dollar

    4) The Paulson-Democrat Wall Street Bailout forsakes free market principles and creates moral hazard

    · This plan would have government socialize losses – and breaks the tie between risk and reward/failure. Certain companies need to get wiped out – and doing so will be BETTER for remaining investments.

    · When government steps in preemptively and starts arbitrarily buying up assets, the expectation is that it will do so again and again

    5) The Paulson-Democrat Wall Street Bailout is arguably unconstitutional

    · Possibly struck down for improper, sweeping delegation of power to the Treasury Secretary

    · The oversight mechanisms cause significant separation of powers concerns – creating a “power sharing” mechanism that runs afoul of the Founders vision of not merging executive and legislative decisions.

    I am not suggesting that this is easy. But the furor on the Corner for members who dare to suggest this plan is not a good one is weak and itself irresponsible, when no one is suggesting doing nothing.

    And as for alternatives:

    – how about reinforcing FDIC to give people confidence in their savings? Maybe more support for money markets?

    – How about cutting corporate taxes or cap gains taxes?

    – How about buying up (or financing the purchase of) the AAA securities that currently are having trouble moving but are not “toxic,” in order to increase liquidity and help with possible insolvency for healthier institutions rather than the old line investment banks?

    – How about doing something about the silliness of the $62 Trillion Credit Default Swap market (e.g. the margin requirements, etc…)?

    – How about immediately changing mark-to-market rules?

    – And – heaven forbid – how about belt-tightening in Washington? Don’t hold your breath – but imagine what a signal that would send – a freeze in discretionary spending, a moratorium on earmarks and a real plan to educate America about entitlements and talk about the need to get our fiscal house in order.

    It is very concerning how much the Washington Republican / Conservative establishment is jumping in line behind this bill because, we are told, we “must do something.” Since when is that EVER a good thing in Washington?

  401. The failure of the bailout didn’t bother me — I rather enjoyed it, esp. that 95 Dems voted no!!!

    I know that politicians will keep at it because this is about money which will keep their attention.

    It seems that most of the black caucus voted no and I don’t see that reported. Most of them are in safe seats so they could have voted for it and could have followed their ‘leader’ but they didn’t. BTW, Obama had dinner with them last weekend.

    And why is there no joy in our first AA nominee? It’s because most of the country has moved past race as the most important thing about anyone. Often it isn’t even noticed. Being a minority is less penalizing than being female. And we are putting our hopes on a man who thinks minority revenge is more important than minority opportunity.

    His CAC regime in Chicago proves it. The point was not to improve achievement (which it didn’t) but to radicalize students against “the oppression and racism of America”. That’ll get you a high-paying job!

  402. this is from restate.com

    Pelosi screwed up royally. She is the Democratic Tom DeLay. Newt Gingrich was an ideologue, but Tom DeLay was simply a partisan, most keenly interested in maximizing his party’s political power. Pelosi cut a deal in which, as far as I can tell, every single Republican in a safe seat had to vote yes so that the Democrats could maximize their no votes. Given that the Republican caucus is pretty much in open revolt, this was beyond moronic. She then spent a week openly and repeatedly blaming the Republicans and the Bush administration for the current crisis. The way she set things up, it was “Heads I win, tails you lose”: vote for the deal and I’ll paint you as heartless reactionaries bailing out your fat cat friends. If you’re going to do that, you’d better make sure you have some goddamn margin for error in your own party. She didn’t. Then she got up and delivered yet another speech blaming the Republicans for the bailout deal she was about to pass.

    Being in power means that you get to give your party special favors on many occasions–but it also means that you, yes you, have the ultimate responsibility for getting things done. She didn’t particularly try to bring her party in line, and so of course as soon as a few Republicans defected, hers stampeded. The ultimate blame for this failure has to be laid at her feet.

    –Megan McArdle.

  403. Clyburn says Black Caucus wants bankruptcy provision in. Republicans want lower capital gains taxes. WH said no.

    Maybe Congress could get together, put both in, pass it, and let the WH reject it.

  404. Bailout Politics
    by Thomas Sowell

    Nothing could more painfully demonstrate what is wrong with Congress than the current financial crisis.

    Among the Congressional “leaders” invited to the White House to devise a bailout “solution” are the very people who have for years created the risks that have now come home to roost.

    Five years ago, Barney Frank vouched for the “soundness” of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and said “I do not see” any “possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury.”

    Moreover, he said that the federal government has “probably done too little rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing.”

    Earlier this year, Senator Christopher Dodd praised Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for “riding to the rescue” when other financial institutions were cutting back on mortgage loans. He too said that they “need to do more” to help subprime borrowers get better loans.

    townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/09/30/bailout_politics?page=full&comments=true#comments

  405. PumaResponders alerts for Sept 29. To receive these as we see them, by email, email tdo@turndownobama.com

    Today’s topics:

    * WP: Bill Clinton Talks Obama, McCain and Greatness
    * LA Times: How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to ‘win’ Thursday’s VP debate
    * LA Times: Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s poll ratings tumble a bit
    * adn – GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska but
    not like before
    * politico: Obama sought rape victim for ad

    ===========
    TOPIC: WP: Bill Clinton Talks Obama, McCain and Greatness

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/28/bill_clinton_talks_obama_mccai.html
    Comment link or box here.

    Clinton elaborated on why he would use the word “great” for McCain: “What I
    mean by saying that about McCain is, you know, most people would’ve been
    broken by what he went through. Oh, we would’ve been happy just to give him
    an atta boy and a medal and let him wander through life.

    “I think his greatness is that he keeps trying to come back to service
    without ever asking people to cut him any slack or feel sorry for him or any
    of that stuff because he was a POW.

    ============
    TOPIC: LA Times: How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to ‘win’ Thursday’s VP
    debate

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html?cid=132712467#comments
    Comment box at the bottom. Already had my name in it.

    [[ In spite of the headline, this article has some good info and makes some
    good points about Palin’s family and unfair news coverage. — tdo ]]

    the U.S. media has so conscientiously managed to deny itself virtually any
    inquisitions of *Barack
    Obama’s

    But the new figure for Palin is down from a high of 82% in January, *which
    she replicated in the days following her surprise selection Aug. 29* as *John
    McCain’s * running
    mate.
    Also, her disapproval rating in the survey of 500 likely voters conducted
    Saturday through Monday was at 27% — *double what it was at the beginning
    of the month.*

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: adn – GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska
    but not like before

    adn – [GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN] – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska
    but not like before

    http://community.adn.com/node/131785
    Comment box is here. Requires registration

    [[ Here are the real numbers that have been spun negatively. Palin’s rating
    was high before and through when she got the nomination. Then the media
    began trashing her and the Dems started polling against her. — tdo ]]

    Here’s Moore’s e-mail, under the heading “THE HONEYMOON IS COMING TO AN
    END”:

    *In a new survey conducted September 20-22, Ivan Moore Research finds Sarah
    Palin’s positive-negative rating in Alaska taking a real hit, for the first
    time since Palin was elected in November 2006. The survey was conducted with
    500 likely voters in the State of Alaska, for a margin of error of 4.4%. The
    track of the last five Palin ratings is as follows, along with a comparison
    point from January 2008:*

    *The mid-July poll was fielded just after the Trooper Wooten controversy
    broke. The positive rating of 76% was down from previous measures in the
    80’s. Despite negative press from the Troopergate issue, the subsequent
    three polls through the end of September showed Palin’s positive rating
    steadily increasing, and her negative steadily dropping. But in the last
    three weeks, we’ve seen damage, with a swing of 14 points from her positive
    to her negative.*

    *Breakdowns by party affiliation and political ideology for the last two
    surveys are illustrative of the internal dynamics:*

    ==============
    TOPIC: politico: Obama sought rape victim for ad
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html

    His own campaign, apparently.

    For background ammunition, see http://www.palinrumors.com and search for ‘rape
    kit’.

  406. ACORN, Obama, and the Mortgage Mess
    by Mona Charen

    townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2008/09/30/acorn,_obama,_and_the_mortgage_mess

  407. I am still a Democrat in my ideals – but it’s a trust issue.

    I would gladly pay higher taxes in order to fund robust social programs, if I had any confidence whatsoever that the Dems would actually DO THAT with the money.

    But the truth is, the only Dem in my lifetime that did so in any kind of sane way was Clinton. The rest of them just take the money and run. They all want to claim the “democratic record” as their own, when they are no more a Clinton or an FDR than the man in the moon.

    So until my government proves to me that they can handle money responsibly, then the better part of valor for me is the party that will take less of my money. Party A is going to claim great goals, take my money, and do jack shit. Party B is not going to claim any great goals, take less money, and do jack shit. Under those circumstances, party B is a more practical choice. If I want to help society, I guess I’ll have to do it through private charities.

    It is not that I disagree with the Democratic platform in theory. It’s that I do not for one minute believe that THEY have any intention of achieving it, nor the skill to do so. The much-vaunted “dems are better at governing” meme has only been true ONCE in several decades, and that was under a president whose approach and legacy has been soundly rejected by the current Democratic Party. Their trotting out of the Clinton years as “proof” that they can do the job is completely laughable and transparent at this point.

  408. Saving an organization or a child really makes them weak. It is like they can do what they want and someone will take the risk out of it.

    If you want to save someone, go in and pay off the little peoples mortgages and let them stay in their homes, vs saving the mortgage companies, and the CEOs etc who will still get their golden parachutes and bonuses. They are the ones that made the decision to lower their standards for lending.

    My cousin, who has worked hard all his life, this year has lost his business, his home, and his wife has died. He is near retirement and has nothing. He has no golden parachute.

  409. Good morning.

    I confess I’m incoherent on financial issues but I think I can recognize common-sense remarks.

    Here are 2 from NQ saying the bailout was a Dem set-up to make BO look good.

    “Nancy Pelosi told members of her own committee and 16 vulnerable Democrats that they could vote no on the bill. This, and the awful speech she made just before the vote, sure makes it look like she didn’t want the bill to pass and then wanted to blame the Republicans. If she knew the vote was close, why in the heck would she tell 21 Democrats that they could vote against it? Something really smells rotten here.”

    “Shadegg says that Paulson wouldn’t give into increasing FDIC insurance.
    Funny, Barack Obama is calling for that this morning via Fox news.
    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama released a statement Tuesday morning proposing raising the federal deposit insurance for bank accounts from $100,000 to $250,000.
    I smell a rat. A big fat stinking RAT!!!
    This whole economic crisis is nothing but a contrived crisis to make Barack Obama look good and get elected so he can screw us all royally.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430434,00.html

  410. In the Clinton years, most of time the house was republican and the senate was not veto proof!!

    Repubs also helped in the clinton yrs…

  411. mp, Clinton’s admin worked well because it was CENTRIST. The supply-siders pulled right, Bill pulled left, and we ended up with neither a free-market unregulated orgy NOR a bloated socialism. It worked because it ended up governing straight down the middle, in very PRACTICAL ways.

  412. basil9, I don’t know much about it, but it seems contrived. I think both sides are trying to make points for their candidate. It seems unreal that Bush is pushing for the bail out though. This is what is unreal, but I think Bush is part of the whole combine thing anyway!

  413. Nancy tried to play politics with this bill. She tried to save her own by letting them vote “NO” on a bill very unpopular with the public, while making it very obvious on the floor that she was going to aggressively use it against any Repub who voted for it. Then she cried “foul” when the Repubs balked at cooperating with her scheme to hang this bill around their necks.

    She has completely lost whatever credibility she had. She had no interest in whether it passed or it didn’t pass – only whether it would be politically beneficial to Obama and downticket dems. She maneuvered to make sure Dems could not take the blame, then screamed “Partisan politics! Selfish bastards!” when the Repubs saw what she was doing, and refused to take the blame either. Avoiding blame is fine for her pals, but it’s a mortal sin when the other party does it.

  414. blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/09/bailout-politics.html

    BAILOUT POLITICS
    By Craig Crawford

    How did anyone think the public would get behind something sold as a bailout of Wall Street multi-millionaires? Make it a bailout of homeowners, and you would have something that could pass in Congress.

    But to do that, the Bush administration needs to put something in the package that might actually help homeowners — like giving bankruptcy judges the power to order modifications of usurious loans. Or maybe some protections against exorbitant credit card interest.

    If this bailout ends up as a better deal for average homeowners in crisis, Monday’s turmoil in Congress will have been a very good thing.

  415. However you want to slice and dice it, Pelosi, Obama, Kerry, Kennedy, et al have pulled the party into the gutter big time. Hillary is the one who comes out of this mess the best.

  416. Agreed…although BO , aided and abetted by the DNC, and helped tremendously b/c of this “crisis” may win, he and his cohorts have forever destroyed the democratic party as we know it. Hillary stature has only grown and will continue as the nation sees what a fraud BO is once he gets in office…another Carter.

  417. CONSTITUENTS DON’T WANT BAILOUT: 100 – 200 (Against) vs 1 (For)

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/

    Endangered Members Vote No Bailout
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Pick a member of Congress facing a tough race this November and the odds are they voted against the economic stability package yesterday.

    In a few cases, voting in favor of the bailout package will be a political positive. Connecticut Republican Christopher Shays, who represents Greenwich and other wealthy enclaves outside New York, voted in favor of the measure. So did Illinois Rep. Mark Kirk, whose constituents, just north of Chicago, are wealthier than average.

    Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski, one of the most vulnerable Democrats in Congress, voted in favor of the bill as well, though as chairman of the Financial Services subcommittee that oversees capital markets and the number two Democrat on the committee as a whole it would have looked terrible if he didn’t.

    In most other cases, those with a political consideration voted against the measure. All four members of Congress who are seeking a promotion this year — Reps. Tom Udall, Mark Udall and Steve Pearce running for Senate and Rep. Kenny Hulshof running for governor — voted no.

    Nineteen of the 34 Frontline Democrats opposed the bill, including thirteen of the eighteen who face truly challenging competition this Fall. Meanwhile, just three of the 24 members of the Regain Our Majority Program, the GOP’s list of endangered incumbents, voted for the bill.

    Instead of vulnerable members, Republicans turned to retirees to find the votes. Eighteen of the 23 Republicans not seeking re-election this year voted in favor of the bill, while one abstained.

    Even as members got phone calls at ratios of 100- or 200-1 against the bailout package, a few vulnerable incumbents still voted yes. Thanks to those votes, Nevada Republican Jon Porter, Florida Democrat Tim Mahoney and Georgia Democrat Jim Marshall may all find themselves bearing the brunt of anti-bailout attacks.

    Political strategists told The Scorecard they’re already preparing to hit opponents who voted yes on the bill, though they wouldn’t describe those attacks for strategic reasons.

  418. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-flip28sep28,0,5691387.story

    Possible change of heart
    Rezko talked with prosecutors, may aid probe, sources say

    By David Kidwell, John Chase and Jeff Coen | Chicago Tribune reporters
    5:24 PM CDT, September 27, 2008

    Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a convicted influence peddler who was once one of Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s most trusted confidants, has met with federal prosecutors and is considering cooperating in the corruption probe of the governor’s administration, sources told the Tribune.

    Rezko’s possible change of heart—after years of steadfast refusal—has sent ripples through a tight circle of prominent defense attorneys who represent dozens of potential witnesses and targets in the wide-ranging probe.

    His cooperation would give prosecutors investigating the governor and his wife access to someone they have described as an ultimate political insider at the center of a pervasive pay-to-play scheme.

    Rezko’s trial this year laid bare a culture of scams, bribes and backroom deals stretching from City Hall to the Statehouse. It even became fodder in the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Barack Obama, whose fundraising and personal ties to Rezko go back more than a decade.

    Rezko has made no deal in the wake of his June corruption conviction, sources familiar with the situation said, but has had preliminary talks with prosecutors before an October sentencing that could put him in prison for years. Still, there are indications Rezko has already provided investigators with information.

    Four attorneys have told the Tribune in recent days that federal prosecutors have telephoned them and other attorneys either with news Rezko is talking, or armed with details only Rezko could know. The lawyers speculated prosecutors are using the preliminary talks with Rezko to shake loose more cooperation from other witnesses.

    “I had very recent a conversation with an assistant U.S. attorney that led me to believe they were getting specific information from either Mr. Rezko or Mr. Rezko’s lawyer,” said a defense attorney who said he represents a figure in the case. None of the attorneys interviewed would agree to be quoted by name, saying they didn’t want to hurt their clients.

    The U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago declined to comment, as did Rezko’s attorney William Ziegelmueller.

    Rezko’s potential worth to federal authorities extends to every aspect of their investigation, including probes of state hiring and real estate deals involving the governor’s wife. Prosecutors have portrayed Rezko, a former restaurant magnate and real estate developer, as intricately involved in some of the most guarded decisions since the earliest days of the administration.

    During his trial, prosecutors described Rezko as having a direct line to the governor and his top aides on issues including policy and the appointments of key department heads and members of state regulatory boards. And, they charged, Rezko traded those positions and favors for some of the millions in campaign contributions he raised for the governor, and for the allegiance of those he lifted
    to influential posts.

    One key aspect of the federal investigation centers on the real estate dealings of the governor’s wife, Patricia, who was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years as a broker for Rezko, his associates and others with business before the state. Federal investigators have subpoenaed records and conducted interviews regarding her real estate dealings. The governor and his wife have denied wrongdoing.

    During the trial, three convicted political insiders testified about private meetings with the governor that prosecutors cited as evidence of a scheme to buy state jobs and business with campaign donations. Each testified that Blagojevich implied campaign donors would profit from his influence.

    One of those witnesses, former Illinois Finance Authority Executive Director Ali Ata, testified that he attended a meeting at Rezko’s offices with Rezko and the governor before he was hired. At the meeting, Ata said, he brought a $25,000 check that was placed on the table in front of Blagojevich, who then mentioned a state job.

    Rezko has adamantly denied guilt and vowed never to cooperate with federal investigators.

    Two months before his conviction on fraud charges, Rezko typed a letter to his trial judge accusing “overzealous” prosecutors of pressuring him to talk about wrongdoing involving Obama or Blagojevich. Rezko said there was none to talk about.

    “They are pressuring me to tell them the ‘wrong’ things that I supposedly know about Governor Blagojevich and Senator Obama,” Rezko wrote U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve in an April bid to be released on bail during his trial.

    “I have never been party to any wrongdoing that involved the governor or the senator,” Rezko continued. “I will never fabricate lies about anyone else for selfish purposes. I will take what comes my way, but I will never hurt innocent people.”

    Rezko was a political supporter of Obama going back to when he was running for state Senate. Obama’s ties to Rezko have become a political albatross for the presidential nominee, who has been forced to defend the convicted felon’s fundraising activities for him and revelations Obama bought his South Side mansion on the same day in 2005 that Rezko purchased a vacant lot next door.

    Officials for Obama’s campaign have said prosecutors during Rezko’s trial never made any suggestions that Obama was involved in anything improper.

    Still, Republican presidential nominee John McCain has highlighted the ties between Obama and Rezko in a national television commercial.

  419. confloyd Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 9:12 am
    basil9, I don’t know much about it, but it seems contrived. I think both sides are trying to make points for their candidate. It seems unreal that Bush is pushing for the bail out though. This is what is unreal, but I think Bush is part of the whole combine thing anyway!
    *****************************************************
    We’re in a bear market and yet the Democrats and Paulson has put this as a CRISIS of like the depression, yet the Democratic? Taliban Party Leadership still played politic and said it was alright for members to vote no.

    NO this has happen before and the Congress need to stay out of it…it was only when they started to interfer did the market go out of shape. Paulson is giving bad advice to the President and GWB is so removed from this that he is leaving it up to Paulson and Bernanke to fix.

    Credit is still flowing, yes it is tight but people who can afford it are buying. McCain example about the business Sonic not being able to explan is not a crisis to me for my children and future grandchildren to be enslaved in debt.

    I don’t think all the right tools the government could use have been done before TAXPAYERS spend a TRILLION dollars and socialize the banks….I just don’t see it.

    My credit union did not go down that risky subprime mess…so they’re save and not having problems.

  420. The Republicans better have a great get out the vote campaign since Acorn is going to try and steal the election.

    One thing voters need to do in all states is that your registration has not been compromised by some silliness from Acorn.

  421. Forbes this morning talked about the same thing that Gingrich talked about last night on Greta. It was legislation with two people’s names [they called it market to market] that I do not recall. A temporary repeal of this act would probably yield 50% gain that could be removed from the Left Liberal/Big Media/Crooked politicians $700 Billion bailout they are trying to cram down our throats. The suggestion was it can be done under present rules without any help [destruction] by Pelosi/nObama posse, and that it could be done as early as tomorrow morning. If done for a trial period of two weeks, the results would be known and if it failed to adequately produce the desired results it could be reinstated just as effortlessly at the end of the trial period.

    I, Jane Q Public, demand this be initiated morning morning the first day of October before Pelosi/nObama vigilantes have further opportunity to FU our country any further.

  422. ShortTermer, I say suspend mark-to-market temporarily to see if it helps. If it does, THEN that buys us time to do REAL hearings and a REAL investigation into how we got here, and what to do going forward.

  423. McCain urges Treasury Department to take action

    43 minutes ago

    DES MOINES, Iowa – Republican presidential nominee John McCain is urging the Treasury Department to intervene aggressively to limit damage from the financial meltdown, action that McCain says President Bush can take with the stroke of a pen.
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    Opening a business round-table Tuesday in Des Moines, Iowa, McCain said he has urged the Treasury to use its exchange stabilization fund “as creatively as possible” to backstop the market crisis. He says officials also should use the authority granted in a housing bill to purchase up to a trillion dollars in mortgages.

    McCain decried the defeat of the financial bailout measure in the House, and he warned that the nation’s political leaders will have to take risks even though solutions to the crisis may be unpopular.

  424. On Monday, the House of Representatives defeated a financial bailout package. However, because of your support, we were able to improve that bill dramatically from its original form. The bill contained much of what Public Citizen and other advocacy groups called for: It authorized limits on golden parachutes and on some top executive pay, created extensive oversight mechanisms, gave the taxpayers an equity stake, authorized judicial review of actions taken under the program, allowed for public participation, included transparency provisions, and more.
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    That is what Public Citizen said about the original bill that McCain stopped from being passed, and Obama refused to get involved in vs the second one which was rejected because of Pelosi incompetence or worse. If the Republicans make the right arguments they can turn this thing back against bambi. Would this mark to market business Gingrich advocates calm markets, as well as increase liquidity? If so then we should try that first before we rob taxpayers and diminish their long term futures. Forget about Greenspan, I would like to know what Paul Volker would say.

  425. One thing that Lou Dobbs discussed yesterday really hit home with me. He was talking to top financial analysts and all of them were decrying the fact that hearings were not held with expert financial testimony before going ahead with writing up the bill.

    I realize that Wall Street was panicking and saying there was no time, but I would have thought a day or two of hearings might have calmed the waters as well and maybe saved a bit of money.

  426. My work yesterday. I spent all the time I had yesterday contacting people in the Republican arena [as a Hillary Republican] with what would be a brillian tactive/strategy to kickoff during the Palin/Biden debate Thursday. I was frantic because time was short and the benefit tremendous. The idea is brilliant, not because I came up with it, but because it would be a great service while at the same time smacking down Biden and with him nObama. I am not sure I got through to anybody [I know they are busy dealing with the fallout of the bailout vote] that could get it to McCain/Palin. I did my dead level best.
    The last gentleman who was referred to me, gave me his best thought on how to get it to the top immediately. Hearing the disappointment in my voice, he called me back and asked me did I use his name [he had called and left a voice message for the higher up he suggested to me for contact] and then proceeded to tell me to use his name as he had informed this higher up in his message that I had a great idea and named me and gave him my phone number.

    I told each of them, some were tepid, that if I called nObama’s campaign with this idea for them to use, that they are organized enough to get’r done and would be on this like white on rice; this seemed to cause some of them to lend both ears instead of one. Here is a little of what I emailed the person who could best get the idea to the highest level:
    I have worked so hard today to get someone in the Republican party to help me get the message to McCain and Palin. I am but one single Hillary Republican. This is a brilliant tactic/strategy and will get a lot of attention [and Sarah can use it when there is a gotcha question or to smackdown nObama].

    “Please get this idea to the top and then if I do not see a ******** come the debate on Thursday I will know that the Republican Party is not really serious in helping me keep nObama out of the White House. God, I so hope they are as I fear what our country will be if nObama steals this election like he and the DNC stold the nomination from Hillary.”

    I was not trying to be mean spirited, but wanted them to take the idea seriously. I so hope they do. Just doing every little thing I can think of to keep nObama from completely, utterly, and irreparably destroying our great nation. I give a rat’s ass, and I will vote – but that is not enough to stop nObama; he and ACORN have raised hundreds, if not thousands, of people from the graveyards in my home state and they voted in the primary and look at the result….see what I mean?

  427. FYI: the higher up helping me to get to the next higher up said that higher up he suggested to me can pick up the phone and call McCain directly.I am so appreciative of this person’s help.
    While I had this person on the phone I told him how vigilant those of us who are working to keep nObama out of the Presidency and asked him if I could read him a blog post from a blog of former Hillary supporters that is “typical” of our sentiments at present. He said certainly. I read him a post from this article without revealing the blog or blogger and said this is what we are all thinking and feeling. You could hear in his voice and his reaction that he was astounded [and pleased] with our determination. I read the body and spoke what the shorthand meant [i.e. JM John McCain]. Again, I did not give blog names, or blog name:

    “You’re right ****, but I gotta say I’m a bit freaked today by the media’s total fabrication of John McCain’s complicity in pulling a ‘campaign’ stunt, for not “looking” at Barrack Obama, for crediting Barrack Obama with the bailout when it was John McCain who was needed to herd the cats…..

    I guess I didn’t think it could get worse and it has. i didn’t think we’d see a replay of the Hillary Rodham Clinton smears and we are. And what’s even worse is I fully expected the repubs to go after Barrack Obama with brass knuckles and they haven’t laid a finger on him. That was Hillary Rodham Clinton’s BIG miscalculation. She waited TOO long! If John McCain doesn’t step up to the plate soon the game’s gonna be over. And this time we don’t have and friggin alternative!”
    ————————
    You will recognize basil9 and wbboei
    at September 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    And, thank you basil9 and wbboei.

  428. BHO’s proposal to extend FDIC from $100,000 to $250,000 is really puzzling. Does he believe most Americans have more than $100,000 cash deposited in a bank? McCain should him right back with the middle class stuff: for middle class Americans $100,000 FDIC insurance is plenty! For Wall Street tycoons: $250,000 is not enough! Talking about elitists!

    A majority Americans 401K or 403K are in those funds such as Fidelity/Vanguard/TIAA-Cref which have nothing to do with the mess we are in. So where is the panic? This bailout/rescue bill is pure and simple: for Bush and Paulson, it’s a way to protect their friends at Wall Street, for Pelosi/BHO, it’s the shortest cut to get to socialist banking. NO, Hell NO!

  429. No one seems to get that the MORTGAGES are not the biggest problem, really. Those could be worked out under Hill’s HOLC program, and eventually turn a profit, because real estate does have an intrinsic value in the long term. Yes, there would be a market correction, but we could survive that.

    The thing that this bill is designed to bail out and protect is not the MORTGAGES. We already nationalized Fannie and Freddie, and that accounts for almost 80% of all mortgages now that are being backed by treasury funds.

    It is the mortgage DERIVATIVES (all the side-betting and gambling on those mortgages that went on unchecked) that they are scrambling to protect. The paper based on nothing that is held in large part by the big hedge funds. They are trying to obfuscate and say this is all about bad mortgages, when really the mortgages themselves could be isolated and resolved over time. The thing they are afraid of is that the DERIVATIVE players and gamblers will be left out in the cold, and they by god won’t stand for that. They will not allow the markets to be stabilized unless they can make sure the hedge fund players get their piece of the pie. It could be done WITHOUT giving them their piece of pie, but they are throwing sand in the eyes of and blowing smoke over that reality as fast as they can.

    They are trying their damnedest to make it a Hobson’s choice, and the people are rightly saying, “No, it isn’t. Just because those are the only two choices you are offering does not mean that those are the only two choices there ARE.”

  430. From Chicago Sun Times

    Crisis shows what makes a candidate great

    September 30, 2008

    BY STEVE HUNTLEY
    Former President Bill Clinton, probably without intending to do so, has characterized this election as a choice between a great man and a man who could become great if voters will just put him in the Oval Office.

    In an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, Clinton didn’t hesitate to describe Republican Sen. John McCain as a great man: “I think his greatness is that he keeps trying to come back to service without ever asking people to cut him any slack or feel sorry for him or any of that stuff because he was a POW.”

    Clinton wouldn’t call Democratic Sen. Barack Obama a great man. Instead the former president said that “when [Obama] becomes president, he’ll be doing things for the American people and for the world” that will make him a great man. Clinton left no doubt that he was supporting Obama because of his leadership qualities and his position on key issues.

    Yet Clinton managed to sum up in just a few words McCain’s appeal and to capture the meaning of the GOP nominee’s campaign slogan of “country first.” Democrats tend to dismiss those two words as a simple-minded and crass appeal to patriotism. No, they express McCain’s deeply held commitment to service to his nation.

    No doubt McCain has had a few rough days politically, in part because of that belief. He saw the crisis unfolding in Washington over the economic rescue legislation, and the very thing that makes him John McCain impelled him to suspend his campaign to fly to the capital to offer his service to help work toward a solution.

    His intervention ran counter to the narrative of the Democrats and most of the Washington media that everything was progressing smoothly toward a resolution. That was a fantasy, as subsequent events have proved. Not only were House Republicans not on board, it also turns out that the Democrats, who hold a majority in the House, didn’t have all their own members persuaded to back the plan promoted by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, the Washington political establishment and Wall Street executives. Ninety-five Democrats voted against the bill.

    The bottom line: McCain was right last week when he said the rescue plan was on course for failure. Had Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi paid more attention to McCain’s warning, heeded his call for a greater bipartisan spirit and acted on that advice instead of accusing him of political grandstanding, the headlines in today’s paper might have been different. At the last minute it was Pelosi, not McCain, who waved the partisan red flag in a speech prior to Monday’s vote. That likely doomed the Paulson plan by alienating the GOP ballots Pelosi needed to pass the bill since she didn’t have enough Democratic votes lined up.

    McCain’s astute sizing up of the situation in Washington was just the latest example of a politician not known for expertise in economic matters proven to be right at key times on fiscal issues.

    Just a week ago he came in for withering criticism from the Wall Street Journal and country club Republicans for suggesting that Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox should be fired because of the Wall Street meltdown. Now we learn from the SEC’s inspector general that in 2006 the SEC staff “identified precisely the types of risks that evolved into the subprime crisis” but the agency failed to rein in the aggressive subprime investment practices of Bear Sterns, the first casualty in the meltdown. McCain, it turns out, was right to tag the SEC for failure to do its job.

    McCain also proved prescient two years ago when he co-sponsored a bill to tighten regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They are the quasi-government mortgage underwriters at the epicenter of the financial crisis. Obama was silent on the issue.

    Despite the stereotype presented about McCain, over the years he has demonstrated wisdom on economic issues.

  431. while most of you are focusing on ACORN, (probably because of it association with the bailout bill)…let me turn your focus to a couple of other groups that also use the same tactics…

    MoveON and Democracy for America, Public Interest Research Group (PIRG) and Grassroots Campaigns, don’t forget to throw in the Labor Unions…
    these groups have done enourmous hiring to support BHO in this election. Their campaign tactics are the same. Add to that, hundreds of smaller groups.

    They are spread FAR and WIDE throughout the US. They are on the phones, in the streets and at the doors. These organizations pay it’s recruits for every registration they bring in (valid or not) and pushes them to continue fundraising to support democratic candidates. They now are pushing their recruits toward GOTV (get out the vote)

    Most young people (hence the big push at colleges) join these organizations for varying reasons, many want to make a difference, some need to pay bills, some want the comradery. They have lots of energy and can be led by the nose to adopt the overall philosophy and ethics of these organizations. Many are clueless.

    Let me go further however.

    Activists are good for America..they fought the British, marched in Selma, demanded safe work environments and 40 hour work weeks, demanded an end to apartheid, stopped whale extintion and the use of certain pesticides on our foods and the list goes on and on and on.

    The point here is activists are good. The ethics and methods of SOME organizations are not.

    When speaking of such organizations focus your anger at their leadership and their policies, methods and ethics, and not the unwary ground troops that are trying to do good. It’s very difficult to seperate the two I know and I do know there are some bad activists too, but lets not get caught up in blaming the messenger.

  432. Uppity on NQ has the story behind Wachovia’s demise. I am just shaking my head and in disgust. This country is becoming a Plutocracy. It is time to take back your democracy.

  433. Debbie says: “When speaking of such organizations focus your anger at their leadership and their policies, methods and ethics, and not the unwary ground troops that are trying to do good. It’s very difficult to seperate the two I know and I do know there are some bad activists too, but lets not get caught up in blaming the messenger.”

    I agree, but when an organization like ACORN has been charged with fraud and corruption, it is difficult to place any trust in the organizations. Some labor unions are also corrupt. SEIU comes to mind. I think, each organization needs to be evaluated separately, on their own merits.

  434. “Mark to Market” is the correct name for what Forbes and Gingrich talked about, both for repealing it, even temporarily.

    What does MTM mean?:
    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marktomarket.asp

    Mark To Market – MTM
    What does it mean?
    1. The act of recording the price or value of a security, portfolio or account to reflect its current market value rather than its book value.

    2. In terms of mutual funds, a MTM is when the net asset value (NAV) of the fund is valued upon the most current market values.
    Investopedia says:
    1. This is done most often in futures accounts to make sure that margin requirements are being met. If the current market value causes the margin account to fall below its required level, the trader will be faced with a margin call.

    2. Mutual funds are marked to market on a daily basis at the market close so that investors have an idea of the fund’s NAV.

    Book Value
    Current Market Value – CMV
    Day Trader
    FASB 157
    Maintenance Margin
    Margin Call
    Mark To Model
    Market Value
    Net Asset Value – NAV
    Write-Down

    Some articles pro and con this year, recent months:
    Bloomberg:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_weil&sid=aJFrPa3rqhHw

    Bernanke: http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSWBT00874820080410

    Princton people:
    http://www.princeton.edu/~hsshin/www/LiquidityLeverage.pdf

    Seems to be in plain English, is it reliable?:
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/97845-mark-to-market-accounting-kill-it-before-it-eats-us-alive

    The Rise and Fall of Enron-Enron incorporated “mark-to-market accounting” for the energy trading business in the mid-1990s and used it on an unprecedented scale for its trading …
    http://www.aicpa.org/PUBS/jofa/apr2002/thomas.htm

    2006 article from Wharton Business School:
    http://finance.wharton.upenn.edu/~allenf/download/Vita/Allen-Carletti-MMA-200706-final.pdf

    Can someone with expertise explain the pros and cons with MTM, I think if Enron used it it must be a For Profit for Crooks, and how lucid are Gingrich and Forbes in wanting to temporarily suspend it?

  435. Let’s see the different postures:

    McCain has been for tightening up on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    nObama has been for, whatever Hillary said, in relation to Fannie Mac and Freddie Mae.

    roflmao, hope you are, too.

  436. short termer

    I share your frustration at reaching McCain people.
    I haven’t made any headway in volunteering in a battleground state.

    Have you tried reaching close friends like Lindsay Graham or McC’s senior advisors? Good luck!

  437. birdgal Says:
    September 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    what upsets me most is the tactics they force their employees to use. I know, I’ve been on the inside and trust me..I’m no longer on the inside because I refused to go along. I got fired from my last job because I refused to steal classified information. (long story)

    the sad thing is when people get involved they go in innocently thinking they will make a difference and the world will be a better place..some stay because quite frankly they have mouths to feed. The turnover in these groups is high for a couple of reasons..they pay low no overtime, no benefits and the hours are obscene sometimes 80 to 100 hours a week 24/7.

    Many leave dissillusioned and never return elsewhere to fight the good fight…that is sad

  438. Unlike Clinton, Biden Gets Pass for Saying He Was ‘Shot At’ in Iraq

    When Hillary Clinton told a tall tale about “landing under sniper fire” in Bosnia, she was accused of “inflating her war experience” by Barack Obama’s campaign — but the campaign has been silent about Joe Biden telling his own questionable story about being “shot at” in Iraq.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/30/unlike-clinton-biden-gets-pass-saying-shot-iraq/

  439. Sep 30, 2008 1:34 pm US/Eastern

    Clinton: ‘It Sounds Dire, But Commerce Could Stop’
    Says She Understands The Concerns Of ‘Innocent Taxpayers,’ But A Possible ‘Recession Impacts Everyone’
    WASHINGTON (CBS/AP) ― Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says the U.S. Senate may have to lead the way in passing a $700 billion Wall Street bailout package, now that the House has rejected the measure.

    “I certainly would support the Senate going first, so long as we have the votes … as early as tomorrow if that’s what would make this process successful,” Clinton told reporters by phone Tuesday.

    The New York Democrat, who nearly won her party’s presidential nomination, said she believes public opposition to the bailout deal may be weakening after the market reacted badly to the failed House vote Monday and more businesses express worries about the future.

    “It sounds dire but there is a risk that commerce could grind to a halt,” she said.

    After the deal failed in the House Monday, the Dow Jones Industrial average sank 778 points, or nearly 7 percent, to its lowest close in nearly three years. It was the largest point drop and 17th largest percentage drop in its history, but far less severe than the 20-plus-percentage drops seen in the stock market crash of October 1987 and before the Great Depression.

    The market recovered somewhat in Tuesday morning trading, rising more than 200 points by midday.

    Clinton suggested negotiators on the government bailout package should “maybe cool off a little from the emotion and the pressure of the last two weeks and get back to Washington starting tomorrow and do what we have to do to try to stabilize not only our nation but the entire world.”

    Voters furious over the proposal to have taxpayers foot the bill should understand that it’s not just a problem facing bankers, Clinton said.

    “They have to recognize that we are facing a very serious economic slowdown, a recession that could be of long-lasting and deep impact,” she said.

    Without a bailout, Clinton said, “I think it will be even more expensive and difficult to dig ourselves out of this deep hole that we’re in.”

    (© 2008 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

  440. Nice for you to know:

    Florida Homestead Act provides protection to full time homeowners living in their homes by protecting the owner from any legal attachments. The theory is to protect the owner from loosing their home. The first $25,000 of the value of the home is waved that help in the taxes we pay on our homes in Florida. There is at this time no estate taxes, city or state taxes such as Ohio where we paid to Cleveland, Bexley and the state. It is really nice to live in the sunshine, in fact, the sun does not shine so pretty anywhere else that we know of.

  441. penn gives sound analysis of where we are right now

    Penn: Obama has advantage on economy
    By: Mark J. Penn
    September 30, 2008 09:41 AM EST

    The financial crisis has redefined the presidential race, bringing into stark relief the candidate who can deal with the complexities of the global markets and return the country to prosperity over the next four years.

    The race is no longer about change, experience, Iraq, tax cuts or universal health care. The job posting has been fundamentally altered.

    Just as the Russia-Georgia conflict tilted the race toward Republican nominee John McCain a few weeks ago, this economic crisis shifts everything once again — this time to Democratic standard-bearer Barack Obama. Voters will now increasingly cast ballots on the economy, as opposed to national security or social values. This will reach right into the swing states, such as Ohio, where the economy had already been teetering before this crisis, and maybe even Florida, where many retirees on a fixed income live off their investment portfolios.

    Americans — like voters around the world — have a habit of shifting their support in reaction to a crisis. In 2001, Michael Bloomberg was 20 points behind in New York’s mayoral race, until the Sept. 11 attacks transformed voters’ requirements for the job. New Yorkers needed a crisis manager, not a reformer, and they shifted to Bloomberg virtually overnight.

    Over the years, I have seen other such crises have a big impact. President Bill Clinton’s strong and empathetic response to the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995 lifted his presidency from its doldrums after the 1994 Republican congressional sweep. His reaction to the bombing was a building block toward his easy 1996 reelection. And Sept. 11 transformed the Bush administration into a national security presidency, a key part of his 2004 reelection.

    But what makes the current financial crisis more like an economic Sept. 11 is the way it suddenly burst onto the scene with the unexpected collapse of major investment banks and gyrations of the world’s equity and debt markets — on top of skyrocketing oil and commodity prices.

    The unrestricted consumption of oil, the unrestrained use of easy credit and the out-of-control use of complex financial derivatives all collided to send a clear message to America that the nation could actually face an economic collapse unlike anything since 1929.

    So why didn’t this benefit John McCain, the seeming steady hand of experience in the midst of a crisis? First, because his performance seemed erratic rather than steady, and second, because the kinds of people we turn to in an economic crisis are very different from those we would turn to for a national security conflict.

    In the showdown with Russia, America was looking for someone who would be tough, knowledgeable and certain, and would strike enough fear in the hearts of the enemy to gain respect and maybe even stare down our adversaries.

    With a sophisticated global economic crisis, the voters would be looking for nuance and mutual cooperation, someone who would reach out to the nation’s economic partners. Rather than calling for moral absolutes, the voters are looking for compromise — they know it’s morally wrong to bail out Wall Street, but they also know they have to do something or they will wind up paying an even bigger bill for this crisis.

    So right now the former Harvard Law Review editor, the candidate who is ready to reach out to everyone across the globe and who has a head for sorting out complexity, is the kind of presidential candidate voters are seeking to solve this crisis. It seems like a great fit for Obama.

    And McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin, is no help here. Her selection was a values play, and now values are a less important factor in voters’ decisions. How McCain must wish he had tapped former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, one of his chief economic advisers. She might have been the kind of VP nominee who would be scooping up votes in this crisis. Palin was also an attempt to bring more women to the GOP — but women are typically the most nervous and concerned about economic policy, especially in a recession or a crisis. This is why the Palin effect seems to have disappeared.

    Compared with Obama’s principles, McCain’s solutions — ending earmarks, slashing spending and cutting taxes — while popular enough, do not seem like a comprehensive plan to fix the global economy. McCain started off down the populist road, condemning Wall Street CEOs, but seemed to do it only halfheartedly before pulling back.

    McCain had planned on using Friday’s foreign policy debate to highlight his experience, but when the event’s first 40 minutes shifted to economic talk, he lost his edge on the issues. Despite serious discussion about how to deal with Russia, no one seemed to care. Instead, McCain’s discussion of the economic crisis came across as quite weak.

    Neither Obama nor McCain has so far used the values-oriented approach that President Franklin D. Roosevelt invoked in his first inaugural address, when he described how the “money changers” had fled their temples, allowing government to restore the temple to “ancient truths.” He fused populism with restoring the basic values of hard, honest work over “callous and selfish wrongdoing.”

    The candidates are a long way from his rhetoric or his positions — neither has expressed the kind of outrage that FDR did at the bankers who caused so much economic misery. The average American homeowner has already lost 25 percent of the home’s value — for most people, that’s 25 percent or more of their savings.

    Other events may well come along and again shift the focus of this election. But absent other game-changers, this election is now a referendum on economic leadership, and that is giving the edge to Obama, who is seen as having the intellect to solve this crisis.

    Mark J. Penn served as chief adviser to President Bill Clinton in the 1996 presidential election and to Hillary Rodham Clinton during her Senate and presidential races. He is the author of “Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow’s Big Changes” (Twelve, 2007).

    © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC

  442. Oh! Of course a homeowner is required to pay for his/her mortgages like anyone else. There is no protection from legal attachments such as foreclosure if the financials are not met.

  443. McCain need to start talking about his vision for this country and stop pointing the blame…that feed into Obama strengths.

    The fact is Sarah Palin does a better job talking about the economy then McCain right now. She make it personal and relatable for the average voter.

    American people blame both parties but the Democrat take the lead. Right now I’m trusting those who voted no on this Wall Street Bailout.

  444. if the market was so scared…why is it “up” 400 points

    this doom and gloom scenario they gave the American people doesn’t seem to be upseting investors the same way…

    IMO yesterdays market was nothing more than a vote of no confidence in our government… we get to do that in NOvember.

  445. Why should I care if Americans can buy cars they can not afford or student loans for a few…there are other ways to do this that would not cost the taxpayer harm.

  446. texan4hillary Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    penn gives sound analysis of where we are right now

    Penn: Obama has advantage on economy
    By: Mark J. Penn
    September 30, 2008 09:41 AM EST

    I hate this headline and I hate the story….I have no respect for Penn

    Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama

  447. Excellent, hahaha serves her bloody right.

    Kicked Off: Maureen Dowd Banned From Campaign Plane

    McCain booted her ass to the curb.

    The New York Times and John McCain really don’t seem to like each other all that well and it appears the disagreement may have spilled over into a campaign plane ban for Times columnist Maureen Dowd. McCain Campaign chief Steve Schmidt scalded the New York Times just last week in a conference call where he ripped the paper and screamed bias.

    “Whatever the New York Times once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization. It is a pro-Obama advocacy organization,” Schmidt said. “This is an organization that is completely, totally, 150 percent in the tank for the Democratic candidate.”

    ***

    Now a nugget buried deep in a Washington Post column from media critic Howard Kurtz has this, “Outside, on a summerlike evening, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs held forth for the likes of NBC’s Chuck Todd and New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, who was wearing an Elvis T-shirt. (The company may have been more pleasant than that of McCain aides, who have barred Dowd from the candidate’s plane….)”

    So is she off? The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has this from Dowd, “I had had a great relationship with John McCain for 16 years, through columns he liked and didn’t like. So at first I thought it was a mistake and doublechecked with the press office. They said I was banned from both planes for ‘the foreseeable future.’ Then [McCain spokeswoman] Nicole Wallace was gloating about it to reporters on the Palin plane.”

  448. Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

    AND neither can the democratic leadrship!
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.

    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.
    Add Dimocrats cannot be trusted on any issue. Dimocrats cannot be trusted.

    NObama NOvember, NO way, NO how NObama

  449. Lying son of a bitch

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODk3ZjBjNDU1M2RkOTljMjg3NWE5MDMwYTBlZjc1YWU=

    Obama: I Didn’t Actually Talk To Any Skeptical House Members (Votes “Present” on Bailout)

    Obama, yesterday:

    “I was on the phone every day with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders, making sure that the principles that have ultimately been adopted were incorporated into the bill,” Obama told CBS’s Bob Schieffer, explaining, “I think, [that] is an indication of the degree to which, when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.”

    The New York Times, today:

    “Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure. But where Mr. McCain had accused Mr. Obama of taking a hands-off approach to the financial crisis, Democratic advisers said they believed that Mr. McCain now had a role in the legislation’s failure.”

    (Hat tip, MKH.) Why was Obama talking to the cabinet official and congressional leaders who were already on board than the rank-and-file of his own party who were skeptical? Why didn’t he talk to the three Democrats from Chicago who opposed the bill? Why didn’t he talk to the twelve Democrats on the banking committee who opposed the bill?

    This is the persuasion equivalent of “voting present.”

  450. So is she off? The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has this from Dowd, “I had had a great relationship with John McCain for 16 years, through columns he liked and didn’t like. So at first I thought it was a mistake and doublechecked with the press office. They said I was banned from both planes for ‘the foreseeable future.’ Then [McCain spokeswoman] Nicole Wallace was gloating about it to reporters on the Palin plane.”
    *****************************************************
    ROTFLMAO!!!

    She was kicked and double kicked out the door.

  451. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Herd mentality rules during a financial crisis because people are wired to follow the crowd when times are uncertain, experts say.

    Brain and behavior studies clearly show that when information is scarce and threats seem imminent, people often stop listening to their own logic and look to see what others are doing.

    “People are afraid, and the reason they are afraid is there tremendous uncertainty right now in the markets,” Gregory Berns, a neuroeconomist at Emory University in Atlanta who studies the biology of economic behavior, said in a telephone interview.

  452. I am so sick of Obama, his cronies, the lies, the corruption. I’m sick of his soundbites. I’m sick of the media pandering to him, excusing him. I’m sick that some of the people I once respected have decided that he is the messiah. I’m sick of them all using the gender card against Palin. I’m also sick of the fact that race has been stuffed down our throats.

    Every single day his nose grows from all those lies. He thinks he walks on water and will never be found out. He is indeed a pathological liar. Somebody throw him in prison and throw away the key!

  453. The public need to hear more about McCain’s vision for this country…balance the budget and getting our fiscal house in order. STOP the finger pointing and start talking about your plan for our country.

    Stop talking about that CRAPPY FAILED PAULSON PLAN THAT THE VOTERS DIDN’T WANT!

    I rather he talk about what he would do to instill confidence in are market economy while the government reign in wasteful spending.

  454. Regarding MoDo (Dowd), her Sunday’s op-ed was critical of Obama’s weak debate performance, saying he was not forceful enough.

    Sounds like she sees the handwriting on the wall, a repeat of 2000 and 2004…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Op-Ed Columnist
    Sound, but No Fury

    The first debate seemed like the perfect moment for Barack Obama to re-enact the Code Red courtroom scene from “A Few Good Men,” to slide under John McCain’s skin and irritate until he goaded McCain into doing exactly what he really wanted to do: tell off the whippersnapper who’d never bled for his country.

    It would have been easy for smarty-pants Obama to get in the face of the temperamental older guy, just as Tom Cruise did with Jack Nicholson, to push him into erupting into some version of that climactic speech, like, “Deep down, in places you don’t talk about at your fancy faculty club, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”

    The timing was ideal. McCain was so aggressively erratic as he did his free-form break dance around the economy last week that it seemed the only possible explanation was that he was creating a wild diversion to distract people from Sarah Palin’s stunningly junior varsity appearance with Katie Couric.

    Once Garbo began to speak, and people realized that Palin had a few key lacunae in her understanding of the globe and even of her running mate’s record, the myth of the Alaska superwoman continued to unravel.

    Between her nonsensical answers and his complicity in the deregulation that led to the financial catastrophe, he felt he needed to take another crazy gamble.

    So he theatrically suspended his campaign and rushed back to get in the way of a bipartisan solution to the economic turmoil. When the two macho guys of the Republican Party — W. and McCain — took extreme measures not to look emasculated, they ended up emasculating themselves.

    The president, who is so insecure that he could only choose a vice president he knew would never hold his title, and so insecure that he needs proof of presidency emblazoned everywhere, even riding a Trek bike with the presidential seal affixed, was suddenly faced with his bête noire: sitting at a table in the White House with the two men who want his job, either of whom would do a better job, given that nearly everyone in the country thinks things are going horribly.

    McCain lost control of his campaign and then, in a gimmicky attempt to gain back ground, ended up in the Cabinet Room with W. when the bipartisan economic meeting collapsed in a humiliating nondeal, causing President Bush to lose control of his White House.

    It was quite a memorable moment in history for the M.B.A. president and the nominee of the party of business. Who would have dreamed that when socialism finally came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?

    The Republicans had a lot to answer for. The Bush administration had been warned about Osama bin Laden attacking and did nothing. It had been warned that there would be a civil war and insurgency if it attacked Iraq. It had been warned that Katrina was coming. It had been warned that the country’s financial casinos were courting disaster.

    W. biked through all those eves of destruction.

    Given the past week, the debate should have been a cinch for Obama. But, just as in the primaries, he willfully refuses to accept what debates are about. It’s not a lecture hall; it’s a joust. It’s not how cerebral you are. It’s how visceral you are. You need memorable, sharp, forceful and witty lines.

    Even when McCain sneered, “I don’t need any on-the-job training, I’m ready to go at it right now,” Obama didn’t directly respond, but veered off into a story about his father being from Kenya and how he got his name. (Thanks, Barack, we got that from your book. It’s great for a memoir, but not a debate.)

    McCain kept painting Obama as naïve, and dangerous, insisting that he “doesn’t quite understand or doesn’t get it.”

    Obama should have responded “Senator, I understand perfectly, I’m just saying you’re wrong.”

    On the surge, he could have said that McCain was the arsonist who wanted to be praised for the great job he’s doing putting out the fire he started.

    When Obama took quiet umbrage at McCain’s attack about troop-funding, he could have pounded the lectern and said with real anger: “John, I am sick and tired of you suggesting that I would take funds away from our brave soldiers. I no more voted for that than you did when you voted against our funding proposals that would have imposed a timetable. And unlike you, I did not vote against funding increases for the troops that have come home with devastating physical and mental injuries.”

    And who cares what Henry Kissinger thinks? He was wrong 35 years ago, and it’s only gotten worse since then.

    Obama did a poor job of getting under McCain’s skin. Or maybe McCain did an exceptional job of not letting Obama get under his skin. McCain nattered about earmarks and Obama ran out of gas.

    We’re left waiting for a knockout debate. On to Palin-Biden.
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  455. FAIR? BALANCED? NYTIMES?

    Today, for one article, just maybe…points out that there’s plenty of blame to spread around. Not used to seeing it from these guys much anymore.

    ww.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/business/30assess.html?ref=politics

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    Published: September 29, 2008

    From the White House to Congress to the presidential campaign trail, the principal players did not rally the votes they needed in the House. They appeared not to comprehend or address in a convincing way an intense strain of opposition to the deal among voters. They allowed partisan politics to flare at sensitive moments.

    If there was any doubt that President Bush had been left politically impotent by his travails over the last few years and his lame-duck status, it was erased on Monday when, despite his personal pleas, more than two-thirds of the Republicans in the House abandoned the plan.

    While there were lawmakers who opposed the package on the merits, with Election Day just five weeks away, substantial numbers decided that to favor the bill would be to imperil their own political futures. And once the vote was under way and so few Republicans were voting aye, Democrats were disinclined to force more of their members to help pass the unpopular plan.

    The leaders of both parties failed, many analysts agreed, in bringing the measure to the House floor without knowing whether it had the votes to pass — a bad move at any time, but especially so in this case given the risk of the markets and the badly weakened financial system reacting badly.

    Representative John A. Boehner, the House Republican leader, became emotional as he urged his party to muster the will to approve the package. After his members overwhelmingly voted against it, he tried to shift the blame to a partisan speech delivered on the floor just before the vote by Representative Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker.

    Ms. Pelosi delivered the Democratic votes she had promised, but could not muster enough of them to avert a defeat that could long be remembered.

    The candidates to replace Mr. Bush, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama, were far from Washington, bit actors at best in helping to resolve a crisis that one of them will inherit.

    The breakdown, even if temporary, pointed up the difficulties of dealing with fast-moving emergencies through the slow-moving and inherently political legislative process. And despite rare bipartisan agreement among party leaders in this case, the gulf between what lawmakers were hearing in Washington and what they have been hearing from home proved too vast for many people, particularly Republicans, to jump.

    As a study in his prospective leadership, the role of Mr. McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, has done him no political good. After suspending his campaign last week and vowing to work with Republicans until a resolution was in hand, Mr. McCain was campaigning in Ohio on Monday with his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, as the House vote commenced. There he implicitly took credit for the compromise bailout that Congressional leaders had negotiated over the weekend, even as it was going down to defeat.

    On his plane before takeoff to Iowa, Mr. McCain spoke by phone with Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke. With no credit to claim in the bill’s defeat, he flew to Iowa without making a statement to reporters on board. In Iowa, he criticized Mr. Obama, his Democratic rival, before adding, “Now is not the time to fix blame.”

    Even before the vote, House Republicans had trouble pointing to any contributions from Mr. McCain to their deliberations since late last week, when he and they forced the administration officials and Congressional leaders to reopen negotiations and alter the package to impose some safeguards for taxpayers’ billions.

    Mr. Obama, campaigning in Colorado, also was taken by surprise. He quickly revised his speech, which announced the bipartisan agreement, to instead call for Congress to “step up to the plate and get this done.” While Mr. Obama had tepidly endorsed the plan and kept in daily touch with Mr. Paulson and Congressional leaders, aides said he did not twist Democrats’ arms to support it.

    At the White House, aides described the president as working the phones to lobby a dozen Republicans. Vice President Dick Cheney, a former No. 2 House Republican leader, pitched in, with no better luck. “I think everyone with a phone is calling to see if we can shore up a member who may be skeptical of the proposal,” Tony Fratto, the deputy White House press secretary, said before the vote.

    But numerous other Republicans, including lawmakers and veterans of past administrations, complained that it was too little, too late. They said Mr. Bush should have summoned lawmakers to the White House and gone to the Capitol to personally plead his case — as other presidents including Mr. Bush have done in the past to sell their highest priorities. “Reagan did it!” one said.

    “There probably could have been an outreach that began earlier than in just the last couple of days,” said Representative Adam Putman of Florida, a member of the Republican leadership, who supported the bailout. “But it is very difficult to deal with an outgoing administration”— its leverage waning — “than one that’s early in its term.”

    The episode underscored that Mr. Bush’s credibility and political clout, long gone among Democrats, is lacking among Republicans as well. “There is a fair number of people who believe we’re not staring into the abyss as has been represented,” Mr. Putnam said. “And some people do believe we are facing a market collapse and something needs to be done, but they would rather not be the ones who have to vote for it.”

    Mr. Putnam, who lobbied colleagues opposed to the plan, said they were reporting that calls against the bailout were pouring in at the rate of several hundred to every one supporting it.

    Both parties agreed the bailout would easily pass in the Democratic-controlled Senate, with support from most of the Republicans there. So the House Republicans made the difference. Their mutiny captured just how much the Republican Party has changed from its 19th-century roots as the party of business and economic stewardship.

    “I don’t think this was a failure of leadership so much as a failure of followership,” said Thomas Mann, a scholar on Congress at the Brookings Institution. “This is a function of a group of House Republicans who are philosophically opposed to doing anything like this bailout and are prepared to take the risk.”

    Jeff Zeleny, Michael Cooper and Steven Lee Myers contributed reporting.

    WASHINGTON — The collapse of the proposed rescue plan for the teetering financial system was the product of a larger failure — of political leadership in Washington — at a moment when the world was looking to the United States to contain the cascading economic crisis.

  456. 770 points down in one day, not a record fall. Quoting the number of points down is equivalent to quoting the number of “hits” on a website, it means absolutely nothing except to the unknowing. 770 hits on a website or blog could mean 770 different individuals logging on or it could mean 7 people logging on 110 different times.

    POINTS – SMOITS- and then there is a rebound of points upward today! Are we sheeple? Are we a herd that is lock step?

    As the song goes, “You’ve got to stand for something or you will fall for anything.” There is no excuse for not being informed in today’s world, but you have to work at it.

    I think at this point that I have a higher trust level for McCain in this crisis than Hillary, because she is sooooo for the Party and whether willingly or coerced, she follows the herd of the undemocratic Democratic Party. I love you Hill, but you have to show me the money/logic now.

  457. MoDo = DoDo

    Jeez, this from a 1999 Pulitzer winner.

    I believe an old expression sums her up: “Clever by half”.

  458. {posting again since there was no reaction. If you don’t want to watch it, fine but email it to people you know. this is scary — children singing praises of Obama in someone’s house in CA while their parents watch with admiration. This is brainwashing at its worst and why are children dragged into this mess?}

    # pm317 Says:
    September 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Must Watch. I am speechless. This is beyond belief. North Korea anyone?
    {duplicate post, first/second time didn’t go through 🙁 }

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

  459. I did see that, it was on a conservative site, National Review I think.

    Watch this video and tell me if it creeps you out as much as it did me.
    This comment sums it up for me, the first thing I thought was Hitler. I know that’s harsh but brain washing the kids as young as possible, that was the first though. These kids think this way because their parents tell them too. They have no political opinion at that age.:

    That’s just creepy.

    Run this one through your YouTube search bar:
    “BUND DEUTSCHER MÄDEL IN DER HITLER-JUGEND”

    Then run this one:
    “Obama civilian paramilitary force”

    Look – I’m as anxious for the first black President as the next person, but this man simply shouldn’t be him. He is of questionable background, and his known associates and mentors are even more questionable.

    He was *groomed* for this opportunity, and he is malleable. This whole thing really creeps me out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

  460. Pm we must have posted at the same time, glad to know I wasn’t the only one that had the reaction. all I can say is wow. This is getting scarier and scarier.

  461. Apropos of what Texan4Hillary said yesterday Newt is up to no good.

    Recall he is promoting a suspension of accounting rules under sarbanes oxley–to put liquidity back into the system and avoid a bail-out. Great!

    In typical fashion, he accurately recounted the sequence of events which led up to this crisis in an accurate manner. He even mentioned how dimwit Paulson allowed the head of Goldman Sachs in the room during deliberations.

    But then he proposed suspension of the accounting rules. Why?

    According to my source this proposed suspension would allow the investment banks to revalue their bad loans and good ones, which would artifically improve their books for 3d quarter. Furthermore, it would allow them to cover up criminal activity which may well have occurred here.

    I thought Newt was speaking for Main Street. Turns out he was speaking for Wall Street.

  462. wbboei, they are all crooks and liars. In all of this, McCain seems to be untouched but he is the wrong brand. I don’t know what to make of all this but one thing is certain, I don’t want to see Obama in the WH. May be I will move back to India.

  463. That video is downright creepy and very, very wrong. I almost, couldn’t watch the entire clip. Unbelievable. The adults in the room were nutzos.

  464. wwboei thanks for backing me up. i just read an article that newtie as working behind mcan’s back to killt he bill in the house despite publically backing the bill.

  465. Another creepy video to go with the one I posted earlier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA , but this one is perhaps the harbinger of that video’s future?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMcuBXyPKo

    FROM HOTAIR on how the Obama video came to be As Sunday approached, a neighbor volunteered a home. Production wizards got wind of the project and offered their help in recordingit. The likes of Jeff Zucker, Holly Schiffer, Peter Rosenfeld, Darin Moran, Jean Martin, Andy Blumenthal, and Nick Phoenix rearranged schedules to participate. Holly Schiffer was able to get three High Definition cameras (Panasonic HVX250’s), and an AVID editing facility. When Jeff Zucker went to pick up the camera package, Ted Schilowitz happened to be there and offered a RED camera set up on a SteadiCam.

    “Production wizard” Jeff Zucker appears to also be President & CEO of NBC Universal Jeff Zucker.

  466. There are a lot of those creepy videos out there. There should be a law against using children for political purposes.

  467. Hi, Hillfriends:
    Those videos are creepy, pm and birdgal.
    But, where is Admin? After all these articles about FISA and ACORN and THUGS (oh, my!) I confess to being worried. I hope s/he is OK and those thugs didn’t get her/him.

  468. wwboei thanks for backing me up. i just read an article that newtie as working behind mcan’s back to killt he bill in the house despite publically backing the bill
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    you are welcome texan. McCain will need to keep a close eye on Newt. The guy who knows him best is Boehner who served in leadership when Newt was speaker. I hope Boehner who is pushing the bill will keep McCain advised on any mischief by Newt. We shall see.

  469. ROTFLMAO!! From RD blog:

    myiq2xu, on September 30th, 2008 at 3:17 pm Said:

    When I heard McCain kicked MoDo off his plan I was all excited.
    Then I found out they were still on the ground when he did it.

  470. I bet Modo is pissed, she’ll be furious, she may write total puff pieces to egt back on the plane now. Maybe McCain should jettison any of them that get out of line, i would. They soon come begging.

  471. The toughest guy I ever met was a Marine Corp officer at the Naval Academy. As plebes we all talked about him. He was physically intimidating, his eyes cold as a shark and he was right out of the movie Apocolyse Now. The scuttlebut was that in Viet Nam he was an intelligence expert. It was further alleged that his interrogation room was a Huey helicopter at a five hunded feet where the Geneva Rules are not always observed.

    It has been forty years but the story about modo made me think of him, and what a wonderful companion he would make for her next time she decides to avoid the Van Wyk and take a helicopter to Kennedy Airport.

  472. Anyone else notice how many reporters are now referring to Sarah Palin as the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION candidate?

    Man, these people have absolutely no friggin shame not to mention zero grasp of history.

    😡

  473. OMG Basil no I haven’t heard that. Then we need to call BO the original affirmative action candidate. I mean really. Talk about not vetting a candidate.

  474. Did anyone else get an email from someone named Yashar Hedayat trying to sell tickets to a CA hillary fundraising event?

    Who the hell is Yashar Hedayat? Anyone know?

    Sounds…weird to me.

  475. I found this on Riverdaughter:

    American Spectator
    Washington Prowler
    Democrat Leaders Played to Lose
    By The Prowler
    Published 9/30/2008 12:50:21 AM
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ordered her Majority Whip, Jim Clyburn, to essentially not do his job in the runup to the vote on Monday for the negotiated Wall Street bailout plan, according to House Democrat leadership aides.

    “Clyburn was not whipping the votes you would have expected him to, in part because he was uncomfortable doing it, in part because we didn’t want the push for votes to be successful,” says one leadership aide. “All we needed was enough to potentially get us over the finish line, but we wanted the Republicans to be the ones to do it. This was not going to be a Democrat-passed bill if the Speaker had anything to say about it.”

    During the floor vote, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and House Democrat Conference chair Rahm Emanuel could be seen monitoring the vote on the floor, and gauging whether or not more Democrat votes were needed. Clyburn had expressed concerns, says the leadership aide, of being asked to press members of the Black and Hispanic caucuses on a bill he was certain those constituencies would not want passed.

    “It worked out, because we didn’t have a dog in this fight. We negotiated. We gave the White House a bill. It was up to the Republicans to get the 100 plus votes they needed and they couldn’t do it,” said another Democrat leadership aide.

    Emanuel, who served as a board member for Freddie Mac, one of the agencies that precipitated the economic crisis the nation now finds itself in, had no misgivings about taking a leadership role in tanking the bill. “He was cheerleading us along, mothering the votes,” says the aide. “We wanted enough to put the pressure on the Republicans and Congressman Emanuel was charged with making it close enough. He did a great job.”

    Pelosi and her aides have made it clear they were not going to “whip” or twist the arms of members who did not want to vote, but they also made no effort to rally any support for a bill they attempted to hijack over the weekend.

    Further, according to House Oversight Committee staff, Emanuel has received assurances from Pelosi that she will not allow what he termed a “witch hunt” to take place during the next Congressional session over the role Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played in the economic crisis.

    Emanuel apparently is concerned the roles former Clinton Administration members may have played in the mortgage industry collapse could be politically — or worse, if the Department of Justice had its way, legally — treacherous for many.

    My NOTE: Rahm is from the Chicago Machine. Isn’t it telling that Pelosi won’t punish those on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who were complicit in the crisis?

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    So, the dims wanted the Repubs to take the fall for this bill? I am sick of the corrupt dimocratic party. No moral courage, whatsoever. This is the not same democratic party that I once knew.

  476. I’ve been hearing that too, its close to the election, and there are a lot of shaky democrat seats, and Nancy wants her majority. So she put the republicans between a rock and hard place, If they voted for it she would saddle the bill around their necks, and if they voted against it then they didn’t care about the country and if the economy crashes its the republicans fault. And she almost got away with it. Thank God we are figuring it out. Not to mention this all happens a month out from the election. A coincidence??? I don’t think so.

  477. I LOVE THIS! HERE IS A PLAN I CAN SUPPORT!!! From a poster on RD:

    Here’s one I got by email, so unfortunately I cannot source it, but assume it is making the rounds. This is a package I can really get on board with:

    Dear Wall Street,

    Hi, we are The Taxpayers, Debtors, and Insured People of the United States. Now that we’ve rejected the first bailout plan, I’m sure that in the spirit of tough, free market capitalism, and spirited negotiations, you’ll consider our second offer. Here are some terms that I’m SURE you will find reasonable:

    1) We are willing to loan you money at a very low, introductory rate of 8.9%. If you are even one nanosecond late on your payment, your rate will go from 8.9% to 32.9% instantly. You will have no right to appeal this. The interest rate increase will be retroactive. None of this “but I mailed it out Friday” nonsense. We must get it, and the check must clear, for your payment to count. A reminder: transactions that occur after 2pm are not credited until the next business day, so be sure to make your payments before then.

    2) If you are late on any of your other payments to your other creditors, your rate will also be spiked to 32.9%. I know it has nothing to do with us, but if you are late paying someone else, then OBVIOUSLY you are a bigger credit risk to us.

    3) We will send you onerous terms and conditions 148,000,000 pages long in 6 point font. Of course, those terms can change on a whim, at any time, so we’ll be sending you hourly updates to the contract, which we expect you to read and keep up with. Sorry, we will be the only ones that can amend the contract; you cannot.

    4) You will have a predetermined credit line, and if you go over it by even $1, your interest rate will spike to 54.9%. Sorry, it’s in the contract on page 109,209,392.

    5) The bankruptcy laws have now changed. If you get into a bind, I’m afraid you won’t find much sympathy; no more silly excuses will be accepted. We are going to have the titles to all of your buildings and physical assets put in our name, so when the inevitable time comes and you trip up, we’ll simply take everything from you. There will be no court hearing.
    6) We’ll be conducting a background check, driving records check, drug test, and disease risk check of all of the top executives of your firm. After all, you’re a riskier loan if you have any of those afflictions, aren’t you? Well, if we find ANYTHING wrong, your interest rate will skyrocket, instantly, and without notice.

    7) If your business is located in a “bad neighborhood”, or a “poor city”, or a “hurricane zone”, or “flood plane”, or “terrorist targeted city”, as defined by us, we can raise your interest rates at any time, to any rate we choose.

    For the last quarter century or so, you’ve imposed these terms, or some variation of them on us, when loaning us money or insuring us… arguing every single time that it’s “necessary” and that these sorts of changes “will result in more profitable companies that will pass the savings along to consumers”. Well, now that we’re in the role of lender, and you’re in the role of borrower, we’re sure that you’ll find these same terms fair.

    Best regards,

    THE TAXPAYERS, DEBTORS, AND INSURED PEOPLE OF THE USA

    Best regards,
    THE TAXPAYERS, DEBTORS, AND INSURED PEOPLE OF THE USA

  478. I trust McCain/Palin more then I trust the Dims so I’ll will be voting Republican for President for the first time in my lifetime.

  479. Lin67 Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    I’ve been hearing that too, its close to the election, and there are a lot of shaky democrat seats, and Nancy wants her majority. So she put the republicans between a rock and hard place, If they voted for it she would saddle the bill around their necks, and if they voted against it then they didn’t care about the country and if the economy crashes its the republicans fault. And she almost got away with it. Thank God we are figuring it out. Not to mention this all happens a month out from the election. A coincidence??? I don’t think so.
    *****************************************************
    The Democrats will still be blame as they control the house. The Republicans in the house were always against this so they voting no was expected.

    The longer Wall Street self correct the better it is…they only people upset is Wall Street not Main Street.

  480. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    I LOVE THIS! HERE IS A PLAN I CAN SUPPORT!!!

    We should all send a copy to our representatives!!!!

  481. The Political Windfall of Inaction
    There’s an astounding admission buried in this NYT account of the failed bailout vote yesterday:

    Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure. But where Mr. McCain had accused Mr. Obama of taking a hands-off approach to the financial crisis, Democratic advisers said they believed that Mr. McCain now had a role in the legislation’s failure.

    Really? The man who was ostensibly working the phones such that he was confident enough to predict the passage of the bill in prepared remarks sent to reporters yesterday, in fact, made no phone calls to assure the passage of said bill. The man whose party has no particular philosophical aversion to government interference in the markets and is in control of Congress. The man who’s been assuring voters of his very serious weighing in by phone from the campaign trail…didn’t actually pick up a phone. This is the real Obama. He is a leader of crowds, not crises.

    This won’t be a story, but it should be, and Republicans and McCain should point it out. The argument against Dems is the utter lack of competent leadership by Obama and Pelosi, not whining about a Pelosi speech.

    Pelosi lost more than 12 of her fellow California Democrats, close friends and allies, and Committee chairs in this vote. Obama failed to take a public position on the vote or to convince any teetering Democrats with promises of a trip to their Districts or other help from the Messiah himself, losing Dems from the Chicago area and much of the Congressional Black Caucus with whom he could have had sway.

    And yet, the guy who got his hands dirty, tried to make a few things happen, and didn’t quite get the ball across the goal line is the one who takes the political heat for this. Which is why, as Bill Kristol and Dean Barnett have suggested, McCain may as well go all-out on the leadership front. It’s where he’s comfortable working, and where Obama will never dare to walk ahead of him.

    Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi willfully ignored the impending crisis for years before they suddenly saw the light and were able to blame a politically palatable entity for it—Republican embrace of “unbridled” capitalism and deregulation. They too seem to have reaped the benefits of inaction, succeeding in pinning the blame on the markets they meddled with, letting their vulnerable members oppose an unpopular bill, and possibly getting a second run at a bailout bill filled with the pork they cut out the first time around.

    In Washington, sometimes “leadership” ain’t all its cracked up to be. But isn’t the political windfall of inaction—conveniently kvetching without responsibility—usually a privilege reserved for the minority party? Pelosi and Co. seem to be enjoying it no matter the circumstances. Maybe that’s the “change” Obama’s been talking about bringing to Washington.

  482. Idunn Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
    Did anyone else get an email from someone named Yashar Hedayat

    He’s a bundler for Hillary

    his firm Goplin Group does consulting and lobbing

  483. H4T — I love the contract!!! Hilarious!!!

    And MoDo “on the ground” when thrown off also made me laugh out loud. Kudos to you and myi2whatever who wrote it. .

  484. FRONTIERSMAN EXCLUSIVE: Palin responds to questions

    Published on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:39 AM AKDT

    Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential nominee, agreed to a request by her hometown newspaper, the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman, for an interview by providing written responses via e-mail to the following questions.

    The responses here were not edited and are preceded by the verbatim questions posed to her.

    1. Your name had been whispered as one of any number of potential Sen. John McCain running mates for months before the official announcement. At what time did you realize you had a legitimate chance to be that choice?

    I first met John seven months ago in Washington. I was immediately impressed by the Senator’s candor, warmth and humor. We are both mavericks, and we hit it off right away. The idea of this being a possibility became real when I flew to Arizona three days before I was announced as his selection.

    2. What successes did you have and what mistakes did you make during your time on Wasilla City Council and as Wasilla mayor?

    Since my time as a city councilmember, mayor, and now, of course, as governor, I’ve been an active reformer. Right away, I think I saw that Wasilla’s government as a “good old boys network” — and knew we had an opportunity to change and progress this city. When I was elected mayor, I immediately took charge and shook things up, as you know. Our tax cuts and strategy for growth were big successes. The big mistake is always underestimating how much opposition you face as a real reformer, but I love the valley so much I was going to do what the city council staff and I felt was right for the people who live and work here.

    3. We’re confident you were aware that being added to the presidential ticket would open up your personal life to public scrutiny. Were you prepared for the level of media and tabloid coverage of your past and family? Please explain how you and your family are dealing with this and whether you believe your family — and those of the other three candidates on the national ticket — are out of bounds, or does the public have a legitimate interest in the private lives of candidates?

    Nothing really prepares you for hatred and made-up stories. But it’s nothing like the hard times of a family that’s lost a job, lost health insurance, or lost a son or daughter in battle. I would hope that the privacy of my children would be respected, as has been the tradition for the children of previous candidates. Obviously, it hasn’t been so far. I think part of the media frenzy is because I haven’t been a part of the Washington establishment and that I’m not as well known to the powers that be in Washington. I’m not going to win over anyone in the media elite — I’m going to do my best for the American people. And of course all candidates want to shield their children from the rancor and bitterness. My personal e-mails being hacked into really took the cake because of all the violation of confidence and privacy that others felt when they saw the e-mails they sent to me were posted on Web sites around the world. Concern for my family’s safety was also paramount because pictures and contact information for my kids were published and their receipt of all the harassing calls and messages has been very concerning.

    4. As you are traveling around the country, what are you hearing from Americans about the energy crisis and what do you think Alaska can contribute to solving the problem?

    The American people understand that we are on an unsustainable path — we rely on countries that don’t like us very much to provide fuel for our cars and trucks and oil to heat our homes, places of business and schools. John McCain and I know that we need a comprehensive “all of the above” approach, keeping all options on the table including more domestic drilling, wind, solar, hydrogen, natural gas, clean coal, geothermal and bio fuels. As governor, I pushed for the largest infrastructure project in North America, the natural gas pipeline that will provide new supply and price relief from Alaska to Americans in the Lower 48. We are maximizing the recovery of resources and minimizing waste, helping lead to less dependence on foreign supplies. Our dependence on foreign energy must end, and Alaska, with all its resources, will play a major role. It’s been great being able to tell that story to America and world leaders who are excited about Alaska’s role in our world.

    5. Since your campaign began, you’ve stated you opposed the “Bridge to Nowhere” and have called it that. What caused you to change your stance on building the bridge? Also, do you still support construction of the Knik Arm bridge? Why or why not?

    After taking office and examining the project closely, realizing the Feds were not going to fund it as Alaskans had assumed was the case, I cancelled the project. Even the Alaska Democratic Party credited me, or blamed me, with killing the bridge to nowhere until I became the vice presidential nominee and they removed this reference from their website. Alaskans will have to prioritize for the Knik Arm Crossing if it is truly a top state priority because Congress won’t fund it either. John and I believe there will be earmark reform in Congress because it’s a corrupted system.

    6. During your tenure as mayor in 2000, then police chief Charlie Fannon commented in a May 23, 2000 Frontiersman article about legislation Gov. Tony Knowles signed protecting victims of sexual assault from being billed for rape kits collected by police as part of their investigations. Fannon revealed then that Knowles’ decision would cost Wasilla $5,000 to $14,000 a year, insinuating that the department’s policy was to bill victims for this testing. During your tenure as Mayor, what was the police department and city’s standard operating procedure in recovering costs of rape kits? Were any sexual assault victims ever charged for this testing while you were mayor?

    The entire notion of making a victim of a crime pay for anything is crazy. I do not believe, nor have I ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test. As governor, I worked in a variety of ways to tackle the problem of sexual assault and rape, including making domestic violence a priority of my administration.

    7. Reporters from around the globe have been investigating policies and decisions you made during your time as Wasilla mayor. Regarding the flap over questioning then library director Mary Ellen Emmons, at the time in December 1996 you said inquiries you made to her about censoring materials in the library were “rhetorical.” Please explain. Were there books at the library at that time you wanted removed? Was there ever a list of books you didn’t want at the Wasilla library? Also, a San Francisco man recently donated two books to the Wasilla library that attempt to explain homosexual family life to children. Do you see any reason these books should not be placed on the library’s shelves?

    As people there know, all questions posed to the library director were asked in a context of professionalism, regarding the library policy that was in place. Before I became mayor, there was conversation in our community about what sorts of books were appropriate for the public library. I asked the librarian about the process for answering that question as a way to familiarize myself with city staff and the issues being discussed in Wasilla at that time. I certainly never advocated banning books. This was a ridiculous, false claim. Supposedly one of the books the media claims I banned was “Harry Potter,” which wasn’t even published back then. There were never any books banned and any reports claiming otherwise are grossly false.

    I’ve always believed the government closest to the people governs best, so I won’t try to second-guess local officials back home.

    8. If the McCain-Palin ticket is elected, you would be the first female vice president and it’s conceivable you could be the first female president in the history of the United States. Can you put into words what this means to you and to women everywhere?

    First and foremost, my selection means there is a clear answer when you ask “who are the real reformers?” in this race. John McCain and I are the agents of change. This is a great responsibility, but it’s wanted and appreciated. I’m not going to let women, or John McCain, or anyone else down in carrying out the responsibilities I have as a candidate and hope to have as Vice President.

    9. You’ve stated on the trail that you would be an advocate for families with special needs, yet the state of Alaska has a Developmental Disabilities Waiting List with more than 900 people waiting for the critical assistance they need. The latest report said it would take $45 million dollars to eradicate this waiting list. What is your administration doing to address the issues that families with special needs face?

    In March 2008, I signed legislation reforming Alaska’s education funding formula to bring more accountability and predictability. The legislation increases funding for students with special needs from $26,900 to $73,840 per student. It is our hope that by providing the necessary funding support, we can touch more children with special needs who did not have opportunities before due to the prohibitive costs of providing the appropriate care. I’m an advocate for special needs children. Ever since I took the chief executive’s job up North, I’ve pushed for more funding for students with special needs. It’s touched my heart for years, especially with the beautiful addition to our family 13 years ago, of our nephew with autism, then with the birth of our beautiful baby boy, Trig, we joined so many American families that know that some of life’s greatest joys come with unique challenges. We’re going to make sure the government is on their side. John McCain and I have a vision of an America where every child is cherished.

    10.Alaska has the third worst children’s health insurance program in the country. It covers children who live in families that earn up to 175% of the poverty level, while 47 other states do much more. Is your administration working on a plan to improve this?

    I know the challenges that families without health insurance face. I know about the tough decisions and I know about their worries. There were times that Todd and I didn’t have health insurance. Believe me — that is a very scary thing for a family. John McCain and I have a detailed plan that includes providing a $5,000 tax credit to families so they can buy health insurance. That policy will be theirs — it will make quality health care accessible and affordable. I’m going to work to put this plan in effect so that every family in America can have access to quality, affordable health care.

    11. Prior to the Aug. 29 announcement of your choice as the Republican vice presidential running mate, you addressed what has become known as “Troopergate.” At that time, you said you would welcome an investigation into the controversy. Please explain why now state employees are not responding to subpoenas from the Legislature’s investigators.

    I am an open book on this matter and am fully cooperating with the non-political, legally appropriate and independent investigation of the Personnel Board. I have agreed to produce all documents, and am scheduling meetings with its investigator, Mr. Petumenos. Todd is also willing to speak with the new investigator, as are staff members. Walt Monegan has acknowledged I did not, nor did Todd, nor did any staff member, tell him to fire anyone. Walt was offered another position because he was not willing to implement the Palin-Parnell administration’s agenda to find efficiencies in every state department so that the public could be better served, and to fill the vacant trooper positions that I fought hard to fund. As far as those who work with me in state government, I know that the Attorney General is questioning the validity of the subpoenas and has asked the Court for guidance. Once AG Colberg receives guidance, I am sure that he will pass along his professional opinion to the government employees. The threats against my family that were made by an Alaska state trooper are a separate issue and the details of “Tasergate” are in the political record now.

    12. On Sept. 19, Attorney General Colberg wrote a letter stating he had confirmed with bar counsel that his contact with former Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan did not create a conflict of interest. If this is the case, why have you hired private counsel in the Monegan inquiry? Are attorneys from the McCain/Palin campaign advising the Department of Law as well as Thomas Van Flein?

    The subpoenas were responded to. The Attorney General has determined that there are valid challenges to the subpoenas, so he filed a motion to quash the subpoenas in court. Until motions are decided, the employees are not obligated to testify. We hired private counsel to assist us with the legal questions that have arisen in the course of the inquiry and to ensure that Alaskans would not have to foot the bill. McCain-Palin lawyers are not advising the Department of Law, and of course Thomas Van Flein consults with attorneys as he determines is necessary.

    13. Being on the campaign trail, how involved are you in the day-to-day operations of running the state of Alaska? Following up, to what extent is the McCain-Palin campaign involved in state government operations?

    I have contact every day with staff. The McCain-Palin campaign is not involved in operating state government. The day-to-day operations of Alaska are foremost on my mind as I speak to Americans about our great state and how Alaskans can contribute to the future of our nation. There is great satisfaction in knowing that the Alaskans who work with me know my priorities and know the direction in which I want to take this state. They continue to work on my priorities while I remain on the road. The campaign is not involved in state government operations. The campaign is responding to the hundreds of media calls coming into Alaska not because I am Governor, but because I am a Vice Presidential candidate. I appreciate the support and the ability to keep my state staff separate and apart from the campaign staff.

    14. What message do you have for the people of the Mat-Su Valley and state of Alaska from the campaign trail?

    Americans are excited about Alaska, and everywhere we go, people bring out their Alaska ball caps and Alaska flags and other memorabilia that says “Alaska.” The warmth and support Americans have toward our great state grows every day and I so enjoy sharing our story. John McCain and I continue to provide hope to those who want change in Washington. We can bring the reform from our states to the nation’s capitol, and I look forward to doing it with your help and support.

    frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/30/breaking_news/doc48e1e1294d418713321438.txt

  485. bill launches campaign tour for obama in fl tommorrow at noon. 2 stops there and then off to other battlegrounds

  486. The funny thing is, if McCain becomes President, the msm is going have to do so major shit crawling and hope McCain tells them all to go fuck themselves, certain individuals can be persona non grata for 4 years.

  487. Have you seen that new McCain ad yet? Bill is in it, when he said the republicans tried to push reform for freddie and fannie, I tried it when I was president, and the democrats rejected it. And now he is campaigning for Obama.

  488. On the local news here in Central Florida, ACORN was in a meeting and were petitioning? Gov. Crist to protect voter rights of AA’s and Hispanics – I did not hear a mention of any other group. The committee on tv seemed to be all AA with red tshirts with the ACORN logo on them. The greivance was that voter registration forms may not be accurate, but should be allowed anyway. NO ACORN, NO WAY, NO HOW – rift with corruption, thievery, and thuggery.
    There was no request for the elderly or physically handicapped who may not be able to get to the voting booth or needs help filling out registeration, etc.

    I posted a long time ago after learning about Ayers, Auchi, Wright, Rezko, etc etc that

    FIRST AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:
    barrack obama!!!! No need to vet or vest him, just select him!!!!

  489. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
    I LOVE THIS! HERE IS A PLAN

    ——-

    for starters I sent it to Lou Dobbs

  490. Does anyone recall that nObama said “no matter, I am going to win.” talking about the primary which at that time Hillary was kicking his a$$. Is he saying that he is ‘going to win the general election anywhere?

  491. The greivance was that voter registration forms may not be accurate, but should be allowed anyway. NO ACORN, NO WAY, NO HOW – rift with corruption, thievery, and thuggery.
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