Obama Bin Lyin’, Again

Obama learned what a Big Mac Attack really means.

Obama tried his usual tricks, some borrowed from Tim Russert, but McCain called Obama out. The old Tim Russert trick is to “misquote” someone and use that “misquote” to force a concession. Obama tried that Russert trick last night but McCain remembered how Hillary Clinton had the trick played on her and McCain fought back.

[Debate transcript HERE.]

Russert “misquoted” Bill Clinton to Hillary Clinton. Obama Bin Lyin’ about Henry Kissinger – and Kissinger did not like it.

McCain points out — accurately — that Henry Kissinger has suggested diplomacy at the Secretary of State level, not presidential summitry with Iran. [snip]

UPDATE: Kissinger agrees: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

The Obama lies about Kissinger were part of a bargain package deal on lies. Now Obama denies he took weeks to prepare a document whose central premise was an attack on Pakistan. Obama also has totally twisted his own foolish words about “preconditions”. Obama bin lyin’.

We wrote about the Obama “preconditions” flop repeatedly. We mocked Obama repeatedly and even posted a song about Obama’s “precondition” blunder. Remember? Here is the question that was asked:

In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since. In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

At the time, John Edwards said

“Yes, and I think actually Senator Clinton’s right though. Before that meeting takes place, we need to do the work, the diplomacy, to make sure that that meeting’s not going to be used for propaganda purposes, will not be used to just beat down the United States of America in the world community.”

Joe Biden at the time called Obama “naive”.

Afterward, other candidates echoed Clinton’s criticism. Sen. Joseph Biden, who has emerged as the clear-eyed antiwar realist in the Democratic race, told National Review Online that the idea of a president meeting with Ahmadinejad, Chavez, and others was “naïve.” “World leaders should not meet with other world leaders unless they know what the agenda is, so you don’t end up being used,” Biden said. “When I went to meet with Milosevic before the war, the condition I met with him was that no press would be available, I’d only meet him in his office late at night, and I wouldn’t dignify being seen with him.”

Obama Bin Lyin’ – we wrote about “preconditions” repeatedly at the time and we documented Obama’s lies and then calling those who called him on his lies (particularly Chris Dodd) “liars”.

As to the Obama attack on Pakistan, we covered that Obama flop and flip repeatedly too. Remember?

The Obama campaign worked for weeks on a foreign policy speech. The Obama campaign publicized the speech as a major event because they were trying to get away from the previous Obama blunder regarding meetings, without preconditions, with rogue world leaders. The Obama campaign proudly and prominently placed their big foreign policy speech on the Obama website.

Obama’s speech went off like a bomb. An O bomb a.

Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times not only published the speech, she also published the accompanying “Fact Sheet” distributed by the Obama campaign. The Fact Sheet and speech transcript were labeled repeatedly as “Paid for by Obama for America”. This is a central fact in the whole Obama created controversy. Obama’s remarks in that bomb of a speech (which appeared to call for an invasion or at least attack inside Pakistan) were not off-the-cuff remarks. Obama’s speech was worked on and massaged for weeks before he delivered it. The Obama campaign not only provided transcripts of the carefully crafted speech but it also distributed a “Fact Sheet” to supplement the speech. In the transcript of the speech, the Fact Sheet about the speech and the actually delivery of the speech the ugly paragraph about Pakistan was included.

Last night Obama jutted his jaw when challenged and tried to get the moderator to game the system for him. Obama lectured his students on the economy without any real understanding of what is happening to ordinary Americans who don’t have a Rezko to help them out.

Obama supporters tried the old “if it’s a tie it’s an Obama win”, but even they did not have sufficient energy to sell that twisted logic.

Hillary Hater Roger Simon wrote The Mac is back.

And McCain not only found a central theme but hit on it repeatedly. Obama is inexperienced, naive, and just doesn’t understand things, McCain said.

Sure, McCain is a pretty old guy for a presidential candidate, but he showed the old guy did not mind mixing it up. He stood behind a lectern for 90 minutes without a break — you try that when you are 72 — and he not only gave as good as he got, he seemed to relish it more.

At least twice after sharp attacks by McCain, Obama seemed to look to moderator Jim Lehrer for help, saying to Lehrer, “Let’s move on.” [snip]

But it didn’t seem to matter much. McCain just pounded away on his central argument: Obama just didn’t “understand” how to deal with Pakistan; how dangerous it is to meet with foreign leaders without preconditions; how serious the Russian invasion of Georgia was; the price of failure in Iraq.

“He doesn’t understand, he doesn’t get it,” McCain said of Obama, also saying, “There is a little bit of naiveté here.”[snip]

“I don’t need any on-the-job training,” McCain said. “I am ready to go at it right now.”

He certainly seemed like it Friday night.

Obama is not qualified to be president. Last night John McCain reminded American voters Obama is not qualified.

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365 thoughts on “Obama Bin Lyin’, Again

  1. McCain was excellent last night, but you wouldn’t know it from reading the NY Times.

    For me, the most valuable part of today’s paper is yet again the crossword puzzle.

    Obama was better prepared than he was for earlier debates, so the bots can jump up and down that he “looked presidential”. But I loved the McCain line, “I don’t yet have my own (presidential) seal”. Toward the end, in like 1.5 seconds, Obama did a “ah,ee,i,uh,ee,i,ah” it was funny.

    GG

  2. Gail Collins in today’s Times nit picks that McCain looked tired, and frumpy. I guess she wants ladies’ eye candy for pres. Tom Hanks? Fabio? Bend the rules and allow Gov. Ahnold?

    Hey, aren’t we bending the rules already, for Obama? I am looking forward to the Berg suit proceeding.

  3. MIND YOUR MANNERS!

    Obama at the start and end handshakes did the “power move” thing he always does, while shaking right hands, grabs the other person’s arm w/ his left hand. At the beginning, he grabbed McCain’s forearm, at the end he grabbed his upper arm. Obama probably doesn’t even know he’s being a condescending little bitch. And the interruptions and talking over McCain made him look petty. Worst was the “I have a bracelet too” remark.

    McCain called him Sen. Obama, Obama called him “John”, like they are best friedns. No respect.

  4. I was watching Fox news this morning and they are talking about that “John” thing alot. That seemed to really resonate. They didn’t mention the braclet thing, but so many bloggers are I won’t be surprised to see it soon.

  5. Admin: well said. The Kissinger antecdote calls the game on Bambi. It is fitting and proper that Bambi would stand rebutted first by McCain and now by the very man he intentionally misquoted.

    The Russert tactic of misquoting the witness to force a concession is part and parcel of the cheap tawdriness which defined the man in life and are part of his enduring legacy.

    I have no use for that Roger Simon, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, and that happened in the article you quote.

  6. I think Jim Leher did a good job moderating overall. Much better than many debates this season. My only complaint is that Obama would talk for 2 minutes, then when McCain got a chance to respond, Obama kept trying to interrupt. He just REFUSED to STFU and let McCain speak, and Leher did not call him on it.

    The single time the McCain interjected while Obama was speaking, JL cautioned “One at a time”. Huh? Where was the “one at a time” warning when Obama repeatedly talked over McCain?

    Obama came across as being rude with the interrupting, as if the most important thing in the world is what he has to say (even though he just spent forever saying it, he can’t resist butting in and saying it yet some more.)

  7. The NYT (and WashPo) were wrong on the Bush, wrong on the Iraq War and they are equally wrong on Bambi.

    Seldom right but never in doubt.

    I no longer read them. I delete them every morning. I would no sooner listen the them than go back to a lawyer who loses every case, or an accountant who always gets me in trouble with the IRS.

    In this election and well beyond it they have lost their credibility–which is the only thing they have to sell. Instead, they have become the boy who cried wolf–useless in a real crisis.

  8. For those who still believe that this mortgage crisis was caused by the Republicans failure to regulate, watch this video.

    It’s raw footage from 2004 – of the Repubs trying hard to get some regulation on Fannie and Freddie, and the Dems fighting them tooth and nail.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&e

    The Repubs are to blame for a lot of ills of deregulation, but the MORTGAGE meltdown was largely the Dems. Sorry. It’s true.

  9. can someone help me, what exactly is the, “I’ve got a braclet, too.” moment thing about, I missed the debate last night couldnt quite stomach watching it.

  10. That Kissinger thing has a bit of recent history. I vaguely remember in Palin’s interview with Couric, Palin mentioned Obama’s no preconditions stance and Couric said Kissinger has the same view. Palin mildly protested that that could not have been. And after the interview, in the newscast, Couric triumphantly reported that they had checked with his office and Kissinger agrees to no preconditions trying to say Palin was wrong. If anyone is interested please check the Palin video and confirm my recollection.

    So Obama thought he brought a big weapon with him last night.

  11. If I were advising the parties, I would urge them to consider Hillarys proposal–a bridge agreement which preserves the status qou, keeps the wolf from the door and gives the parties time to get past the election so they can fashion the right agreement–which is what Hillary has proposed. Instead, they are hell bent on doing the whole thing now and all I see as we get over this moutain and looking ahead is the Himmalayas far as the eye can see. But then I am reassured when I hear Poosie say: We are back on track!

  12. justme, McCain told his story about the bracelet he wears that a soldier’s mom gave him, with the kid’s name on it. He spoke in a heartfelt manner, and said the kid’s name with respect.

    Obama in response gives a very miffed and whiny, “John, I’ve got a bracelet too.”, then tries to tell about it. Stutters…it’s from Mrs…from Sargent….then has to LOOK DOWN AT THE BRACELET because he obviously does not know the kid’s NAME!

  13. justmeinmountdorafl

    from transcript:
    MCCAIN: I — I don’t think that Senator Obama understands that there was a failed state in Pakistan when Musharraf came to power. Everybody who was around then, and had been there, and knew about it knew that it was a failed state.

    But let me tell you, you know, this business about bombing Iran and all that, let me tell you my record.

    Back in 1983, when I was a brand-new United States congressman, the one — the person I admired the most and still admire the most, Ronald Reagan, wanted to send Marines into Lebanon.

    And I saw that, and I saw the situation, and I stood up, and I voted against that, because I was afraid that they couldn’t make peace in a place where 300 or 400 or several hundred Marines would make a difference. Tragically, I was right: Nearly 300 Marines lost their lives in the bombing of the barracks.

    And then we had Somalia — then we had the first Gulf War. I supported — I supported that.

    I supported us going into Bosnia, when a number of my own party and colleagues was against that operation in Bosnia. That was the right thing to do, to stop genocide and to preserve what was necessary inside of Europe.

    I supported what we did in Kosovo. I supported it because ethnic cleansing and genocide was taking place there.

    And I have a record — and Somalia, I opposed that we should turn — turn the force in Somalia from a peacekeeping force into a peacemaking force, which they were not capable of.

    So I have a record. I have a record of being involved in these national security issues, which involve the highest responsibility and the toughest decisions that any president can make, and that is to send our young men and women into harm’s way.

    And I’ll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, “Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son’s name on it.”

    He was 22 years old and he was killed in combat outside of Baghdad, Matthew Stanley, before Christmas last year. This was last August, a year ago. And I said, “I will — I will wear his bracelet with honor.”

    And this was August, a year ago. And then she said, “But, Senator McCain, I want you to do everything — promise me one thing, that you’ll do everything in your power to make sure that my son’s death was not in vain.”

    That means that that mission succeeds, just like those young people who re-enlisted in Baghdad, just like the mother I met at the airport the other day whose son was killed. And they all say to me that we don’t want defeat.

    MCCAIN: A war that I was in, where we had an Army, that it wasn’t through any fault of their own, but they were defeated. And I know how hard it is for that — for an Army and a military to recover from that. And it did and we will win this one and we won’t come home in defeat and dishonor and probably have to go back if we fail.

    OBAMA: Jim, let me just make a point. I’ve got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant – from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, sure another mother is not going through what I’m going through.

    What the written transcript does not show is Obama fumbling looking at his wrist to read the name because he did not know the name of the soldier whose bracelt he is wearing

  14. Guess what, we American taxpayers my be bailing out not ONLY the US markets, but the British markets as well.

    Britain’s five leading high street banks have as much as £95.3 billion ($175 billion) of distressed assets on their books that may qualify for the American bailout scheme.

    If the British banks tap the rescue fund being set up by the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve to the maximum, they could secure one quarter of the $700 billion being made available. Under the terms of an outline agreement that appeared to have been reached by US policymakers last night, Britain’s lenders will be able to use the facility.

    business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4828413.ece

    Oh, HELL no!!!!!

  15. Oh NOOOOO!

    Paul Newman was adorable — a charming man who was always so nice. He was rare and delightful.

    I always think of him warmly and always will.

  16. Palin Problem

    article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=

    Hope she redeems herself in the debate but I am skeptical.

  17. Biden is slimy, he is really asking for it, someone ought to drop a bombshell on him, god knows he has enough skeletons to fill a university medical testing centre.

  18. We have been thru this before. We knew Hillary had won the debates, we knew she wiped the asshole in the primary’s and they would parade out some loser like Edwards and just talk about why won’t hillary drop out?

    It is because of our collective history with these jerks that we are scared. The American people saw that debate and unless you were a Fraud supporter, i do not believe he won and i trully believe McCain got some votes. I believe that. What I am concerened about is the stealing of votes, very scared.

  19. Ironic that a WOMAN would be suggesting that a WOMAN, Palin, drop out and use health reasons because she does not have experience inside the beltway – where were this miscreants when nObama entered the race without experience and still shows lack of knowledge but also that he does not have the capacity to UNDERSTAND and his naievety is glaring, and what does Biden bring to his ticket?
    Tons of experience and yet the voters confirmed his ability in the primary and previous runs with fewer national votes than local politicians garner in elections. The one thing that nObama and Biden have in common, as I see it, is that they are master plagerizers. Sarah Palin has the guts and will have the glory – naysayers, hold your breath waiting for her to implode.

  20. I so like Barry Goldwater Jr’s phrase, probably quoting his late father: Don’t let the dog guard your food!!!!

    Someone called Pelosi/Reid/Franks Dumb,Dumber and Dumbest – way to go.

  21. Found this on NQ, it’s great and easy to do, go do it, it will make you feel good!

    Kill the $150 Billion ACORN payout in Bail Out Bill in Congress!

    If you believe that Congress should stop putting earmarks and pork in the Bail Out Bill please sign the petition attached below.

    http://www.rallycongress.com/americansforleadership/1228/a-call-to-the-house-and-the-senate-“-do-not-add-ear-marks-into-the-bail-out-bill-or-you-will-not/

    Note: Use the Free option

  22. Found this on NQ, it’s great and easy to do, go do it, it will make you feel good!

    Kill the $150 Billion ACORN payout in Bail Out Bill in Congress!

    If you believe that Congress should stop putting earmarks and pork in the Bail Out Bill please sign the petition attached below.

    http://www.rallycongress.com/americansforleadership/1228/a-call-to-the-house-and-the-senate-“-do-not-add-ear-marks-into-the-bail-out-bill-or-you-will-not/

    Note: Use the free option

  23. what the heck is this big rush to pass this bill before Monday… why not Tuesday, Wednesday…or later

    I know the reasons they are throwing at us but what aren’t they telling us?

  24. Its such a shame his followers don’t go mad, rush forward and he’s unfortunately a casualty in the stampede to touch the anointeds head.

  25. debbie Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    what the heck is this big rush to pass this bill before Monday… why not Tuesday, Wednesday…or later

    I know the reasons they are throwing at us but what aren’t they telling us?
    888888888888888888888888888888

    SOMETHING ABOUT THE EASTERN MARKETS. THET WILL PULL THEIR $ IF WE DON’T BAIL THEM OUT AND THEN THE DOMINOS WILL FALL DOWN.

  26. demoine regisiter:
    ********

    It was one of the most substantive debates in recent presidential campaign history and John McCain won it.

    The Arizona senator was cool, informed and forceful in Friday’s first presidential debate of the general election campaign.

    He repeatedly put Barack Obama on the defensive throughout the 90 minutes session. Obama did little to ease voter concerns that he’s experienced enough to handle foreign and defense policy. That was his number one task Friday night and he failed.

    Instead he was often his old meandering self, unable to state a quick, forceful position. Polls taken in the coming days should show McCain holding on to his trump card in the race – the view that he’s better equipped to be commander in chief.

    He condescendingly called Obama “naive” at a couple points in the debate, like an old master lecturing a young understudy. Obama never seemed able to attack back.

    McCain’s victory came at a good time for him in the race. He has fumbled around for a week on questions involving the economy and the federal bailout of Wall Street. His vice presidential candidate has become a running joke of late night comedy shows. As a result, his poll numbers sagged.

    The debate came against the backdrop of a close presidential election at a time when the country faces its greatest economic crisis since the 1930s and some of its greatest military threats since World War II. The nation’s adversaries – Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Taliban terrorists – seem to be on the ascendancy.

    It has rattled Americans and between the two, McCain came off as the most reassuring. The crabby, grumbling, hotheaded McCain was nowhere to be seen. Instead we saw a calm, seasoned commander in chief . If you looked at your television and squinted slightly, you could better picture him addressing the country during a time of national crisis than Obama. Obama was often left flashing his smile and shaking his head at McCain.

    McCain was expected to win on questions of foreign policy and national defense. That’s been his background. Where he routed Obama was on economic and spending questions as he repeatedly accusing Obama of using earmarks and wanting to spend too much.

    When Obama tried his line about how McCain voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, McCain slapped back by ticking off a lit of issues where he has disagreed with Bush – like torture, conduct of the war in Iraq and federal spending and Guantanamo Bay. McCain never got rattled or flustered, he just constantly stayed focused on the attack.

    The only good news for Obama is that any pain from this debate is likely to be short-lived. On Thursday, Sarah Palin meets Joe Biden in the only vice presidential debate. She can be painful to watch on television.

  27. good one from small town guy, kansas city star:
    *********

    MIdwest Voices: It’s not about Obama’s race, it’s about policies
    By ROSS BALANO

    G.L.BOOKER
    January 11, 2008. Ross Balano for Midwest Voices.Where’s the change?

    For all the talk of change coming from the Democratic side, what few specifics I hear sound strikingly the same as what we have come to expect from Democrats.

    Let’s see: raise taxes, more and bigger government programs, no drilling in ANWR, etc. … What’s new about that? That’s same, not change.

    Barack Obama thinks these are the things the American people want. If that’s true, then why isn’t Obama running away with this election?

    Some would tell you it’s because too many of us are stupid and bitter people who cling to our guns and God. Others, including Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, suggest that race has something to do with it.

    So the race card has been played again this election; nothing new about that either. Democrats do it every election cycle. But I thought Obama was supposed to transcend race.

    Now again, if you aren’t liberal, you must be some kind of racist, right? After all, there’s no other reason why anyone would not vote for Obama, correct?

    So let me get this straight. With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy:

    If you don’t want higher taxes, you might be a racist.

    If you think we should drill for more domestic oil, you could be a racist.

    If you believe we should secure the borders, you might be a racist.

    If you believe in the right to keep and bear arms, the sanctity of life or winning the war on terror, you just might be a racist.

    Heck, if you don’t vote for Obama, you must be a racist.

    I, for one, am tired of this old routine.

    Let me be very clear: The problems with Obama have nothing to do with the color of his skin. Rather, it has to do with positions, beliefs and associations and the lack of any substantial experience that would qualify him to be president.

    Do we really want higher taxes even if he claims it will only be on the rich? How will raising taxes on the rich put more money in your pocket? Hint: It won’t.

    In my adult life there have been two major tax cuts — Reagan in the early ’80s, and George W. Bush earlier in this decade. Both tax cuts resulted in more money coming in to the Treasury, not less.

    We must secure our borders. We must drill for oil in this country wherever it is located so that we can lessen our dependence on foreign oil until new technology can be developed.

    We must stay vigilant and strong against terrorism. We must cut government spending. We need constructionist judges who won’t destroy our constitution by distorting it to fit political views.

    These would be real changes. Obama stands against all of these things. And he stood up for sex education in kindergarten and against protecting babies born alive as a result of botched abortions.

    Is this the kind of “change we need”? I think not.

    Ross Balano of Kansas City is a former business owner and current national accounts manager in the security and fire alarm field. To reach Midwest Voices columnists, write to the author c/o the Editorial Page, The Kansas City Star, 1729 Grand Blvd., Kansa

  28. gonzotx Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    I heard that too, but have any of the foreign markets actually said this or is this in fact a fear tactic.

    The foreign markets are just as nervous about a failure of the American financial markets as we are. Directly or indirectly it will effect them. I would doubt they’ve threatened the USA with this type action at least in the immediate future. Failure to act surely would force their hand though

  29. An economist blogger on riverdaughter has an EXCELLENT post up outlining the roots of the mortgage meltdown.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/back-to-the-roots-of-the-problem

  30. Palin has not been in the face of BM before, that is her only failing. BM is tricky, sly and will try anything to rattle her. She does not have the “background” that Biden has and will not be able to compete with his 30+ years of experience. All she needs to do is keep her cool, be decisive, stand her ground and answer the questions. Right or wrong she needs to appear that as a “president in waiting” she can step into those shoes if need be.

  31. I’m so glad McCain came back to D.C. and had the spotlight shine on the House GOP and some of their solutions which I thought was much better then PAULSON.

    Paulson is giving GWB bad advice to only come up with this lame plan where 20% goes to ACORN!!!!

    PORK RUN AMOCK

    I like the ideal of a temporary removal of the Capital Gains tax for 3 months…that will bring in investment money. Insurance Ganuartee for 1/2 the bonds not covered and then some money loaned to those institutions….But to give this guy a TRILLION DOLLAR blank check with no oversight, expand his power, no taxpayer protection, the same guy who help participated in Goldman Sacks purchasing these sub-prime loans…is just insane.

  32. skmf12 Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    ——————————————
    Who was the author of that piece? I hope it was the editioral board which is mainly women and excellent. I hope it was not that jackass washington dc mothpiece whose name I forget. He never had much good to say about Hillary. Please tell me it was not him.

  33. debbie, it may not be as simple as that. She needs to clean up her English, if you will, of all the folksiness (S mentioned it last night) and convey one or two simple ideas in plain, clean, crisp English (look who is talking! I am a non-native English speaker). If you see Couric’s interview, you will see. I know, I know, Obama does not have much better resume but he is the great pretender too. Unfortunately for Palin, she can’t seem to BS her way out of this like he does — may be that is what he got out of his Ivy League education.

  34. debbie Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    show me the link gonzotx
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    DON’T HAVE ONE, JUST HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO C SPAN

  35. debbie Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    Palin has not been in the face of BM before, that is her only failing. BM is tricky, sly and will try anything to rattle her. She does not have the “background” that Biden has and will not be able to compete with his 30+ years of experience. All she needs to do is keep her cool, be decisive, stand her ground and answer the questions. Right or wrong she needs to appear that as a “president in waiting” she can step into those shoes if need be.
    *****************************************************
    I trust Palin before Biden…Biden is a paper pusher…that’s all he is. He does not have executive experience, nor have he had to make decisions that you are responsible for. Palin is a Govenor of our largest state and on the front lines of our missle defense system to protect this nation.

    She is one of the few Gov. who play an active role…what is telling in the polls about her, is that although her numbers with women have fallen somewhat, her numbers with men has risen.

    It’s no secret that the media is out to break her….they have say so time and time again.

    My only concern is that the moderater by fair and balance and have a broad range of questions that will highlight her strength too.

    If it wasn’t for Palin being on the ticket McCain would not have the level of support from his base.

  36. Re Palin, so far we’ve mostly seen edited clips from Palin’s interviews — edited by hostile sources. The debate will be live.

    She does need to be more concise, or she will run out her time. Luckily this is a skill that can be learned.

  37. moononpluto Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Support for the bailout plan has sunk to 24%, so go ahead Dems, rail that deal through congress and see what happens to you.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    To quote Nelson of the Simpsons, “Hah, hah.”

  38. It’s hard for Palin to do worse than the Couric interview. So the expectations aren’t high at all. And, as much I hate to admit it, Obama will probably still be ahead in the polls by 5-6 points like he is now or he’ll have opened up a larger lead on McCain. So there won’t be any pressure on her. That’s not to say she can mail it in. By giving at least an average performance & not giving any painful soundbites for the MSM to use she can keep her options open for the future.

  39. Speaking of non-Native English speaker, I was in Nice for a conference couple of years ago and was looking for the boat ride people/office to go to Monte Carlo and I saw this woman sitting on the steps leading up to the office which seemed like it was closed. I asked her if she could speak English (to see if she had any info) and she retorted “We’re THE English.” She was a tourist from across the pond. 🙂 I am Indian, well, now American and look Indian — it must have hurt her to say that.

  40. Paulson is giving GWB bad advice to only come up with this lame plan where 20% goes to ACORN!!!!

    PORK RUN AMOCK

    I like the ideal of a temporary removal of the Capital Gains tax for 3 months…that will bring in investment money. Insurance Ganuartee for 1/2 the bonds not covered and then some money loaned to those institutions….But to give this guy a TRILLION DOLLAR blank check with no oversight, expand his power, no taxpayer protection, the same guy who help participated in Goldman Sacks purchasing these sub-prime loans…is just insane.
    ———————————————-
    Good analysis Carby. To Newsweeek he is the bailout king. To the rest of us he is Murphy’s Law in action. And he has got plenty of company, i.e. bambi, frank, dodd, poopsi, dean, gogzilla, and mainstream media. They want us to cover their bad bets and vote them back into office so they can do it to us all over again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice . . .

  41. nikki22 Says:
    It’s hard for Palin to do worse than the Couric interview.
    ============

    Is there a complete, unedited transcript of the Couric interview available? All I have found is the gotcha about McCain’s record and Couric’s trick of saying “Great Depression” and pretending Sarah had said it first.

    Are those the ONLY things Couric asked about?

  42. John Bolton brought up an interesting point earlier on Fox that since so much time was devoted to the economy last night that time should be alotted in one of the 2 remaining debates concerning foreign policy to be fair. He implied that the McCain campaign should file a request with the debate commission.

  43. I asked her if she could speak English (to see if she had any info) and she retorted “We’re THE English.”
    ——————————————-
    pm: they may be English but that is no guarantee they can speak the language. Surely you remember the song Why Cant The English Teach Their Children How To Speak–(My Fair Lady/ Lerner & Lowe). Their answer was non responsive.

  44. debbie and freckles,

    When I opened my email this morning and read the news alerts regarding Paul Newman’s death, I said the same thing: “Oh, NO!” Of course he was 83 years old; of course we knew that he was sick, but the fact of his death is a blow.

    Paul Newman was a real man, a mensch, and he exuded charm, intelligence, a good sense of humor, and a respect for women that was very appealing. He was married to Joanne Woodward for over 50 years, and she must miss him terribly.

    Paul Newman in “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid” was a special treat, and I will watch that movie every time it’s on.
    What a terrible loss.

  45. skmf12 Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    wbboei,

    sorry, that was david yepsen…
    you can find the link on -real clear politics-, k?
    ———————————————
    Thanks skmf12. I was afraid you would say that. Too bad he could not have been this objective during the primary. He is right now and he was wrong then. If he and his colleagues had been right then we would not be facing Hobson’s choice in November. No way, no how, Nobama.

  46. wbboei, well… that was class warfare(?) in the movie. The good ones are really good and their sense of humor is impeccable. The joke in the family is her getting so upset that I was asking that question. Anyway, the least the British could have done for India was to leave behind the language.

  47. From bitterpolitiz

    yogi41 // September 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Don’t get down gals and guys; this is just beginning. We’ve come so close and we cannot give up on McCain-Palin for 2008. Go ahead and watch and read the media, but do so with a critical eye. Understand that they are rarely correct; they stopped reporting years ago and are now into predicting and shaping the outcome – let them try. They are losing their influence with most of America, which is why you are seeing declining newspaper readership and declining ratings for the news outlets. Average Americans are not stupid; they know when they’re being lied to and that’s why they turn to other sources for their information. Don’t give up on middle America. You may not hear their voices because the wild left screams and shouts over them, but they always manage to make their point on election day.

    Here’s some good news, though. Here is another pollster, one that is little known but amazingly accurate. Look carefully at the internals of this poll and you will find some bright and amazing news – McCain is winning. This pollster got the last 4 elections right; look at these results:

    1992 **
    Projected Actual
    37% Bush 37.45%
    43% Clinton 43.01%
    19% Perot 18.91
    1% Other .64%

    1996 **
    Projected Actual
    49% Clinton 49.23%
    40% Dole 40.72%
    9% Perot 8.40%
    2% Other 1.65%

    2000 ***
    Projected Actual
    49% Bush 47.87%
    47% Gore 48.38%
    3% Nader 2.73%
    1% Other .58%

    2004
    Projected Actual
    51.2% Bush 51.1%
    47.8% Kerry 47.9%
    .5% Nader .34%
    .5% Other .58%

    Here’s a link to their site and data from past years and this year’s polling. On page 10 of the 27-page PDF, it has McCain-Palin at 47% and Obama-Biden at 45% .It’s a great link and there is a ton of internal data that is eye-opening and interesting. It’s a very hopeful read…

    http://www.tarrance.com/results.cfm

  48. yogi41 // September 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Don’t get down gals and guys; this is just beginning. We’ve come so close and we cannot give up on McCain-Palin for 2008. Go ahead and watch and read the media, but do so with a critical eye. Understand that they are rarely correct; they stopped reporting years ago and are now into predicting and shaping the outcome – let them try. They are losing their influence with most of America, which is why you are seeing declining newspaper readership and declining ratings for the news outlets. Average Americans are not stupid; they know when they’re being lied to and that’s why they turn to other sources for their information. Don’t give up on middle America. You may not hear their voices because the wild left screams and shouts over them, but they always manage to make their point on election day.

    Here’s some good news, though. Here is another pollster, one that is little known but amazingly accurate. Look carefully at the internals of this poll and you will find some bright and amazing news – McCain is winning. This pollster got the last 4 elections right; look at these results:

    1992 **
    Projected Actual
    37% Bush 37.45%
    43% Clinton 43.01%
    19% Perot 18.91
    1% Other .64%

    1996 **
    Projected Actual
    49% Clinton 49.23%
    40% Dole 40.72%
    9% Perot 8.40%
    2% Other 1.65%

    2000 ***
    Projected Actual
    49% Bush 47.87%
    47% Gore 48.38%
    3% Nader 2.73%
    1% Other .58%

    2004
    Projected Actual
    51.2% Bush 51.1%
    47.8% Kerry 47.9%
    .5% Nader .34%
    .5% Other .58%

    Here’s a link to their site and data from past years and this year’s polling. On page 10 of the 27-page PDF, it has McCain-Palin at 47% and Obama-Biden at 45% .It’s a great link and there is a ton of internal data that is eye-opening and interesting. It’s a very hopeful read…

    http://www.tarrance.com/results.cfm

  49. Thankyou to all who responded to my querry regarding my mother staying aboard the sinking Dim party because of Social Security. I am aware of all of the arguments, but its like roe v wade so many believe that if a republican is elected there goes SS. The reality is not as important as the perception. During the primary debates waffles hit on it as a scare tactic Hillary didn’t as she is from a better place.
    Many in our country live on that and that alone if they “percieve” the repubs as people that will remove it they will vote in kind.

    Which reminds me of my favorite exp going door to door on election day outside of Pittsburgh. I knocked on a door clad in Hill gear an elderly woman pulling an oxygen tank moved towards the door and exclaimed “Christ that woman doesn’t give up” I proceeded to make an apology. She said no need she was waiting on her ride so she could vote for her.

  50. nikki22 Says:

    Why do you believe these polls? Were they EVER right with Hillary, perhaps they are STILL in the tank for *61 and are meant to depress us so we stop fighting. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  51. I share your admiration for Paul Neuman. He was a good man and a true liberal. He was committed to helping people, but expected them to be responsible in return and was consistent in his principles. Steve Allen was like that. And, centrist democrats and republicans are the same way. Elitists, extemists and opportunists in both parties are the main problem today.

  52. pm317 Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    A lot of the people in the Midwest speak that way, they like it and would be offended to hear her dialect change over night. Stick to who you are.

  53. i will try this again with out the link

    yogi41 // September 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Don’t get down gals and guys; this is just beginning. We’ve come so close and we cannot give up on McCain-Palin for 2008. Go ahead and watch and read the media, but do so with a critical eye. Understand that they are rarely correct; they stopped reporting years ago and are now into predicting and shaping the outcome – let them try. They are losing their influence with most of America, which is why you are seeing declining newspaper readership and declining ratings for the news outlets. Average Americans are not stupid; they know when they’re being lied to and that’s why they turn to other sources for their information. Don’t give up on middle America. You may not hear their voices because the wild left screams and shouts over them, but they always manage to make their point on election day.

    Here’s some good news, though. Here is another pollster, one that is little known but amazingly accurate. Look carefully at the internals of this poll and you will find some bright and amazing news – McCain is winning. This pollster got the last 4 elections right; look at these results:

    1992 **
    Projected Actual
    37% Bush 37.45%
    43% Clinton 43.01%
    19% Perot 18.91
    1% Other .64%

    1996 **
    Projected Actual
    49% Clinton 49.23%
    40% Dole 40.72%
    9% Perot 8.40%
    2% Other 1.65%

    2000 ***
    Projected Actual
    49% Bush 47.87%
    47% Gore 48.38%
    3% Nader 2.73%
    1% Other .58%

    2004
    Projected Actual
    51.2% Bush 51.1%
    47.8% Kerry 47.9%
    .5% Nader .34%
    .5% Other .58%

    Here’s a link to their site and data from past years and this year’s polling. On page 10 of the 27-page PDF, it has McCain-Palin at 47% and Obama-Biden at 45% .It’s a great link and there is a ton of internal data that is eye-opening and interesting. It’s a very hopeful read…

  54. the wacky allocation system that did Hillary in during the primary

    Don’t get down gals and guys; this is just beginning. We’ve come so close and we cannot give up on McCain-Palin for 2008. Go ahead and watch and read the media, but do so with a critical eye. Understand that they are rarely correct; they stopped reporting years ago and are now into predicting and shaping the outcome – let them try. They are losing their influence with most of America, which is why you are seeing declining newspaper readership and declining ratings for the news outlets. Average Americans are not stupid; they know when they’re being lied to and that’s why they turn to other sources for their information. Don’t give up on middle America. You may not hear their voices because the wild left screams and shouts over them, but they always manage to make their point on election day.

    Here’s some good news, though. Here is another pollster, one that is little known but amazingly accurate. Look carefully at the internals of this poll and you will find some bright and amazing news – McCain is winning. This pollster got the last 4 elections right; look at these results:

    1992 **
    Projected Actual
    37% Bush 37.45%
    43% Clinton 43.01%
    19% Perot 18.91
    1% Other .64%

    1996 **
    Projected Actual
    49% Clinton 49.23%
    40% Dole 40.72%
    9% Perot 8.40%
    2% Other 1.65%

    2000 ***
    Projected Actual
    49% Bush 47.87%
    47% Gore 48.38%
    3% Nader 2.73%
    1% Other .58%

    2004
    Projected Actual
    51.2% Bush 51.1%
    47.8% Kerry 47.9%
    .5% Nader .34%
    .5% Other .58%

    Here’s a link to their site and data from past years and this year’s polling. On page 10 of the 27-page PDF, it has McCain-Palin at 47% and Obama-Biden at 45% .It’s a great link and there is a ton of internal data that is eye-opening and interesting. It’s a very hopeful read…

  55. Ani at NQ has a nice roundup of what others said about the debate.

    Lost in the detail was McCain comparing (very subtly) Obama’s mindset to Bush when he alluded to Obama’s resistance to accept the success of surge. Did anyone notice that moment? He said something to the effect of it reminding you of someone else.

  56. I think we have to get over the fact that a Rep. means the end of SS and Roe v Wade. We’ve had a Rep prez for 20 of the last 28 years and a Rep congress for part of that time and we haven’t even come close. Look what happened to Bush when he suggested privatizing SS. He never recovered.

    Being a Republican means that you’re often wrong but it doesn’t mean you have to enter a suicide pact. The country will not permit messing with SS.
    Think of it this way: God protects SS — every time a privatization scheme arises, the stock market dives.

  57. Hey everyone, stop giving Palin negative vibes. I have a lot of Faith in her. Who knows she might be playing possum.

  58. an elderly woman pulling an oxygen tank moved towards the door and exclaimed “Christ that woman doesn’t give up” I proceeded to make an apology. She said no need she was waiting on her ride so she could vote for her.
    ———————————————
    Henry: I swear to you I had the exact same experience when I was canvassing in Kitani Pennsylvania. . . . And it does stay with you.

    Many years ago I was in Boston during a terrible snow storm. The town was half shut down. We went to the cafe for breakfast. The only two people on duty were a husband and wife of Irish extraction both in their 90s! They were there and they were working and they had gone to great lengths to get there.

    G. Our Heroine: if you want to know how good a political leader really is do not bother to ask their friends; pay no mind to journalists you unless they have been politicians themselves; instead, ask their adversaries and you are most likely to get the truth. When I described Hillary as a “remarkable woman”, I was quoting the late William F. Buckley founder of the National Review. McCain’s people have told me the same thing– she is a great political leader with whom they have strong policy differences. Say what you will about Republicans they are smart enough to know a thoroughbred when they see one. Not for nothing did Karl Rove make her the target of his attacks and conspire with traitor Donna Brazille to destroy her candidacy and displace the centrist leadership of the party. But Hillary is as committed to this country today as she was when she graduated from Yale Law School and turned down a lucrative position at Williams and Connelly for a life in public service. We are all better off because of it. But what is it that sustains her in the face of adversity when most of us would throw in the towel? I believe it is the deep faith she has in her religion and in this country which can be summed up in one profound sentence of the speech she made in Florida: “to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to make it count”.

  59. freckles
    I agree but I believe that it would be a boon to McCain if he were to say during my administration I will not touch social security. He can use the guise of the economic meltdown to assuage those that favor privitization. Many people are single issue voters and will not cross party lines as a result.

  60. turndownobama-com,
    I went to the CBS news website to find the transcript and the video clips. The problem for me was the foreign policy part of it. Palin just sounded too general and she wasn’t really answering the questions Katie was asking. As an example Couric asked her about how democracy doesn’t always lead to desirable results. She (Katie) cited the election of Hamas to prove her point. But Palin only said something about American standing up to our allies and she mentioned the president of Iran. That didn’t have anything to do with democracy in the Middle East.

  61. Gonzo, wow! those numbers are amazing.

    Just to clarify, I was not talking about Palin’s accent and not even about how she often says “also” but something else.. like being kind of poetic if that is the word as in “this powerful nation, Russia, rearing its head.. ” Sorry, can’t give better quotes/examples but she needs to be crisper with her ideas. When the question was about current crisis she went on to talk about health care reform in her answer (just simple — know what caused it, who caused it, and what can we do now — did not come out in that answer). I think with lots of preparation and may be getting used to national media and getting over that initial nervousness and also not always listening to what your handlers say will help.

  62. Wanted to give the Bitterpolitiz poster their due on the poll

    yogi41 // September 27, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    gonzotx // September 27, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I snagged that poll and link from Free Republic. The poster said he has relied on that polling firm for all of his political bets and they’ve always come through for him.

    It’s strange that I find reading the posts over at a freeper site so comforting, but I figure they’ve had decades of malpractice from the media trashing their candidates and they seem to roll with the punches over there. They’re used to conservatives being torn apart by the MSM.

  63. i don’t know why it won’t let me give credit to the member who posted the above poll but it was yogi41 @ Bitterpolitiz, Geeeez

    I snagged that poll and link from Free Republic. The poster said he has relied on that polling firm for all of his political bets and they’ve always come through for him.

    It’s strange that I find reading the posts over at a freeper site so comforting, but I figure they’ve had decades of malpractice from the media trashing their candidates and they seem to roll with the punches over there. They’re used to conservatives being torn apart by the MSM.

  64. One of the things I most like about Sarah Palin is her authenticity. It matches John McCain’s authenticity perfectly. There was only one other candidate that had that degree of authenticity, and that was Hillary Clinton.

    ACORN and LaRAZ [right name?]? Not if you and your party every want my Independent vote. Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest [Pelosi, Reid, Franks] still has me laughing out loud.

  65. I think we have to get over the fact that a Rep. means the end of SS and Roe v Wade. We’ve had a Rep prez for 20 of the last 28 years and a Rep congress for part of that time and we haven’t even come close. Look what happened to Bush when he suggested privatizing SS. He never recovered.

    Being a Republican means that you’re often wrong but it doesn’t mean you have to enter a suicide pact. The country will not permit messing with SS.
    Think of it this way: God protects SS — every time a privatization scheme arises, the stock market dives.
    ———————————————
    I would go one step further. I think McCain has far more insight into the plight of ordinary Americans than Bambi ever had. Bambi may be wearng the democractic label but he is without question wall streets man. Nothing could be clearer than that. Ergo Bambi his fellow travellers are a bigger threat to Roosevelt values than McCain is whereas Hillary is our champion. A friend of mine who has a deep understanding of politics and finance sent me an email after the finacial news first hit. His opening line was “Now we know why the wall street dems of the dnc wanted Hillary out of the way–she would have protected the American People”/

  66. Gonzo, I wonder if that polling outfit took into account the vagaries of this election and the Obama campaign because this is not your typical Dem campaign but an Obama campaign. Nothing in this election has turned out to be what it should be or what it seems to be on the surface.

  67. I believe Palin. She’s real and I think she will excel. She brought back a lot of excitement to the parrty. She will do well. The rallies that she gets involved with are fired up with her. I think Palin will do well!

  68. “this powerful nation, Russia, rearing its head.. ”

    I agree. This is a pet peeve of mine, and every time SP does it, I cringe.

    Her biggest problem, though , is that she’s allowed criticism from the press, and over coaching by the McCain camp put shadows inside her head. She’s an instinctive politician…and nothing will kill an instinctive politician faster than fear and self doubt. Americans will not only forgive a folksy accent, they will actually embrace it if they find you courageous and bright. I think “someone” is telling Sarah she needs to appear intellectual. Wrong advice in my opinion. Her strength is that she comes off real, and USUALLY full of good old common sense. THAT is her instinct…she needs to go with that.

  69. For future reference: it is Carteresque to assume that democacy is the solution to every political situation. The rabble of paris was a democracy, a lynch mob is a democracy and the hamas victroy was a democracy run riot. If you introduce democracy before the proper conditions are in place bad results are likely to follow.

  70. McCain wins the DrudgeReport poll:

    MCCAIN

    68% 232,700

    OBAMA

    30% 102,094

    NEITHER

    2% 8,388

    lol, look at the nos. involved in the drudgereport poll (343,182). Obama loses hands-down. so easy for the liberal media to give obama the majority, but when the nos. are high, McCain eats obama for lunch. lol.

    from NQ

  71. And she maybe, at some point, needs to just come out and say, “Look, if the American people want an expert on every issue, I’m not your girl. But if they want someone who is sincere, someone who will hire the best and brightest in their fields, someone who cares about them , someone who will put their interests first EVERY SINGLE DAY, then they don’t need to look any further than me.”

  72. when it comes to national security the one question I ask myself is who would I feel safer with John McCain or BHO. John McCain clearly understands the nuances of foreign policy therefore I believe I’d be much safer with him. BHO has had a great briefing but I don’t feel comfortable that he is independent enough from those that have his ear.

  73. She (Katie) cited the election of Hamas to prove her point.

    What the **** was Katie Couric doing trying to prove her point in an INTERVIEW?

    That’s the problem with the media.

    That’s a gotcha question. If she says that democracy doesn’t matter that we would be happy with any old dictator, she gets skewered for that.

  74. pm: yes it was class warfare as only the british no how.

    As for the English language the purest example of it is to be found I am sure in India. For that I blame the British civil service system.

    As for America, perhaps you recall Churchill’s remark about two great nations separated only by a common languge.

  75. wbboei, the purest example has become Indlish now much to the chagrin of its originators. I am not a fan of Churchill’s, so plead guilty to not knowing that snide (how characteristic) remark.

  76. I’m upset and annoyed and depressed.

    I want to be able to see Paul Newman again — it was always fun. He and Audrey Hepburn were the real Hollywood royalty. I want to have one more dinner with charming Anne Bancroft. And I want Hillary back in the race!!

    I want Obama to go away. Kenya, Indonesia, Pakistan, anywhere. Bring them hope and change for a while.

    Sorry. But where else would people get it.

  77. wbboei Says:
    As for the English language the purest example of it is to be found I am sure in India. For that I blame the British civil service system.
    ==============

    Sri Lankan English is more beautiful.

  78. wbboei Says: For future reference: it is Carteresque to assume that democacy is the solution to every political situation. The rabble of paris was a democracy, a lynch mob is a democracy and the hamas victroy was a democracy run riot.
    ================

    Is a mob a democracy? In a democracy everyone would get to vote on an equal basis. If you begin by intimidating some people people so they are afraid to speak out for their side, or cannot get into the voting place, etc — is that democracy?

  79. new polls show mccain up with indies bc debate

    YAY! although becareful believing polls, they skew them to favor who they want them to. Part of that is to discourage us, hoping we will think its over and not show up to vote. That has been going on for decades. The polls will get closer a couple of weeks out from the election because everyone wants to be right. Until then take them with a grain of salt.

  80. nikki22 Says: turndownobama-com, I went to the CBS news website to find the transcript and the video clips. The problem for me was the foreign policy part of it.
    ================

    I havaen’t seen that part. Do you have a url handy or soem key words or soemthihng?

  81. Speaking of Sarah Palin, I was watching fox this morning interviewing Lady Lynn (I think)de Rothchilds, she was talking about Sarah and Hillary supporters moving to McCain, and she told a story about a good friend of hers, a woman, very famous, democrat, who had lunch with Sarah, and told Lynn what a fabulous woman she was, that she hated to admit it, but she was just fabulous. I think poor Sarah has been raked through the coals so much, had her interview with Charlie Gibson so butchered(if you read the trascripts they actually would take a question, erase her answer, his next question, and then play the second answer as if it was the answer to his first question because her original answer made her look good). It is revolting how they have made her look, they had to contrive it. They won’t be doing that at the debate, I think she’ll be just fine.

  82. neetabug Says: Hey everyone, stop giving Palin negative vibes. I have a lot of Faith in her. Who knows she might be playing possum.
    =============

    Thaks for the reminder. What we’re getting is excerpts edited by the hostile media — see Mark Levin’s site for the things ABC edited out of the Gibson interview.

    For a more accurate assessment of Palin’s speakng to neutral or hostile groups, the GOP could find transcripts adn videos from her campaign for governor in 2006: interviews and debates. Taht would show her on issues she had time to study, and with people who share her regional speech patterns.

    At worst, Palin’s lacks can be filled with a little time and study (and if necessary Prof Henry Higgins). In the fields she has worked in so far, her record is phenomenal. Obviously she has the intelligence and drive to master anything she needs to, and quickly.

    Obama is the opposite. He had great opportunities but used them — to get into dirty Chicago politics?!

  83. I still think the McCain-Palin should video her interviews with the media and then put them on youtube when they do edit and twist he interviews.

    When you get caught doing that a few times…you’ll stop.

    Regarding Republicans how have come out against Palin…they never were in her corner, they think it’s a good time to speak against her now…I like Palin because she is NOT a Beltway insider and brings a fresh perspective.

  84. I don’t trust Paulson and the Dimocrats…and the more I hear about all this democratic earmarks..like Unions boardmemberships, ACORN, Union proxy and other crap…sound like Democrats bribes to campaign contributors.

    NOT OVER THE BACKS OF MY CHILDREN!!!

    I swear if the Democrats push their crappy bill, then they need to own it. I hope the Republicans vote NO!

    There is a better way…but if the government comes in a buy all these bad loans without any contributions from these banks…then those same banks won’t work hard to get their money back…also I don’t wont to see socialize banking.

    Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and the rest of those bums better not be using TAXPAYER MONIES to pay off campaign contributers.

  85. carbynew,

    even though I hope McCain will win, I never be a Palin fan. I do believe McCain loses some votes because of his pick of Palin.

  86. I still think the McCain-Palin should video her interviews with the media and then put them on youtube when they do edit and twist he interviews.


    What they need to do is make a deal that the interview will not be edited, it must run in its entirety. That is what BO did when O’Reilly interviewed him, it was part of the conditions of him appearing on O’Reilly, the McCain team trusted Charlie Gibson, they shouldn’t have done that. From now on they should insist on no editing. But you know I think it the only people who really thought it looked bad was never going to vote for her anyway. There are some Repubs saying she was a bad choice, there is one on National Reiview saying she should bow out, and another saying that was a stupid idea, what people love about her is she doesn’t sound like a politician. Repubs are often most critical of their own, especially on National Review I have noticed.

  87. meiyingsu,

    I politely disagree.

    She’s a hot ticket here in California, the republican base is very, very excited for her here.

    Since I’m not a republican, I’m getting my news secondhand but she is helping McCain big time here.

    I’m so upset with this Bailout plan, I’m thinking of doing GOTV for the republicans.

    Palin is very popular out here on the west coast but you wouldn’t know it because of the left wing media that is sooooo out of touch with middle American.

    Also I was insulted with the media portrayal of Palin’s religious beliefs and church. As a person of faith I took it as demeaning my beliefs. There was nothing political about that video…the pro Obama writers was saying how I practices my Christian faith makes unfit to be president.

  88. Meiyingsu,
    he might have, but I think he gained more than he lost. His biggest problem was his own base, he is not seen as a conservative, and is often downright hated in conservative circles, and there were a lot of conservatives that were either going to sit out, or hold their noses and vote for him to vote against Obama. With the nomination of Sarah Palin it turned it from a referendum on Obama to an actual reason to vote for McCain. He could not have won with some Hil supporters, indep and Reagan dems, he needed his base, which he didn’t have. Sarah has been a rising star in the GOP, and her name has been circulated. The MSM didn’t know about her cause they don’t care much about what is going on with the GOP unless it is in fighting. She is seen as a Reagan conservative, that is why the base was so excited about her. Its calmed down some, but I think she will still bring the base to the polls.

  89. turndownobama,
    here’s the cbs link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml

    hwc,
    It wasn’t a gotcha but something almost all candidates have been asked about. I know Hillary has talked about this. It’s a pretty important question because the neocons have argued that spreading democracy throughout the Middle East would lead to stability in the region. Well, Hamas was democratically elected. If Gov Palin shares the neoconservative philosophy then she should be able to square that with Hamas being in charge.

  90. Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

    JEFFERSON CITY – Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

    “St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

    “What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

    “This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

    “Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”

  91. lindax Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
    ———————————-

    This is where a free and unbiased press/media is needed to protect the people in a democracy so a free and fair public discourse can happen. What is Obama afraid of?

  92. pm317 Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    lindax Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
    ———————————-

    Are the press/media talking about this?

  93. Let’s be fair about Sarah Palin — we’ve had a sort of youtube intro to her. She gave a terrific speech after which she had two interviews that were despicable. “I don’t mean to belabor the point but..” and then she’s asked to name everything McCain voted on in 26 years.

    Did anyone ask BO to name 3 reasons he picked Biden? BO: “I’m about change from the last 20 years and shaking up Washington and to help ne, here’s a 30-year veteran, Mr. Insider Biden!

    Sarah has had every cheesy sleazy sexist screaming about how desperately stupid she is. The good thing is tht expectations are very low. The bad thing is she isn’t being given a chance. I want her to succeed instead of the media jealous because they can’t have instant access trying to destroy her.

  94. You would think eve bot-dems would be smart enough to know not to put pork in a massive bail-out bill–but evidently not.

  95. wbboei
    You would think even bot-dems would be smart enough to know not to put pork in a massive bail-out bill–but evidently not.
    ——————
    It’s a staggeringly stupid move but I guess they’re once again counting on media silence. Hope Sarah talks about it.

  96. I get 5-10 prods a day that Hillary is in Michigan campaigninig for barcrak banana. A few days ago Hillary appeared on cbs and to talk about the looming finacial crisis and she was her brilliant self. Inevitably she asked who would win the election and she said the nominee no doubt about it. The supporters who she asked to move to obama have already done so. I doubt these kind of endoresments at this point have any real impact. Current events are the critical factor. I hope she is also endorsing down ticket dems who supported her–that is effective at this point.

  97. uppity woman has a:

    ‘I’VE GOT A BRACLET TOO…’ tee shirt.

    uppitywoman08.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/igotabracelet.jpg

  98. If Gov Palin shares the neoconservative philosophy then she should be able to square that with Hamas being in charge.

    Square what with Hamas being in charge? The desire to support democracy?

    It’s a strawman gotcha question. Just because Hamas was elected doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be the United States’ general goal to support democracies.

    What does Katie Couric want for answer? “Oh, Hamas was elected, so now I support brutal dictators in the future?”

  99. erin brokovih endorses mccain palin. the left wil be furious
    http:/ /newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/27/left-angered-over-erin-brokovich-praise-sarah-palin

  100. Nikki:

    I don’t want links to Katie Couric. I stopped watching the networks in Jan 2008 and I don’t intend to start now.

    Couric is a piece of trash. She intentially (or maybe she’s just an idiot) mixes the idea of a President speaking with Ahamadinejhad with the idea of State Dept. talks with Iran AS SHE KNOWS GODDAMN WELL THE UNITED STATES HAS ALREADY BEEN DOING (unless she’s a complete idiot) and then comes out with these gothch questions like “Why shouldn’t we be speaking with Iran?”

    Don’t you see? That’s a “Have you stopped beating your wife?” question.

    There’s nothing wrong with State Dept talks with Iran. There’s everything wrong with Presidential summits with Iran. Only a complete azzhat like Couric intentionally mixes the two.

    BTW, there’s also nothing wrong with the State Dept. NOT talking to a country if the diplomats feel they are just getting jerked around.

  101. Nikki:

    Not to belabor a point, but this crap makes my blood boil. For an example of a real interviewer, just review Jim Lehrer’s conduct at the debate last night. Straight-forward questions. No agenda. No nonsense. No “have you stopped beating your wife?” questions.

    Post me some links when any of the so-called “news” organizations start doing that.

  102. Happy Days, rezko may be about to sing like a canary.

    Possible change of heart ..Rezko talked with prosecutors, may aid probe, sources say

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-flip28sep28,0,5691387.story

    Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a convicted influence peddler who was once one of Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s most trusted confidants, has met with federal prosecutors and is considering cooperating in the corruption probe of the governor’s administration, sources told the Tribune.

    Rezko’s possible change of heart—after years of steadfast refusal—has sent ripples through a tight circle of prominent defense attorneys who represent dozens of potential witnesses and targets in the wide-ranging probe.

    His cooperation would give prosecutors investigating the governor and his wife access to someone they have described as an ultimate political insider at the center of a pervasive pay-to-play scheme.

    Rezko’s trial this year laid bare a culture of scams, bribes and backroom deals stretching from City Hall to the Statehouse. It even became fodder in the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Barack Obama, whose fundraising and personal ties to Rezko go back more than a decade.

    Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a convicted influence peddler who was once one of Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s most trusted confidants, has met with federal prosecutors and is considering cooperating in the corruption probe of the governor’s administration, sources told the Tribune.

    Rezko’s possible change of heart—after years of steadfast refusal—has sent ripples through a tight circle of prominent defense attorneys who represent dozens of potential witnesses and targets in the wide-ranging probe.

    His cooperation would give prosecutors investigating the governor and his wife access to someone they have described as an ultimate political insider at the center of a pervasive pay-to-play scheme.

    Rezko’s trial this year laid bare a culture of scams, bribes and backroom deals stretching from City Hall to the Statehouse. It even became fodder in the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Barack Obama, whose fundraising and personal ties to Rezko go back more than a decade.

    Go read the whole article………………………

  103. Wow

    Four attorneys have told the Tribune in recent days that federal prosecutors have telephoned them and other attorneys either with news Rezko is talking, or armed with details only Rezko could know. The lawyers speculated prosecutors are using the preliminary talks with Rezko to shake loose more cooperation from other witnesses.

    “I had very recent a conversation with an assistant U.S. attorney that led me to believe they were getting specific information from either Mr. Rezko or Mr. Rezko’s lawyer,” said a defense attorney who said he represents a figure in the case. None of the attorneys interviewed would agree to be quoted by name, saying they didn’t want to hurt their clients.

  104. Nikki:

    Hamas elected to govern is not a bad thing for all sides concerned. When you are no longer an opposition, you actually are responsible for your people’s food and housing. If things don’t work out, Palestine people actually will realize Israelis actually did not cause all these problems. Same thing happened to Arafat, he was a terrorist before actually been forced to govern. On the other hand, US does not need to support every democracy. Democracy certainly does not mean pro-US. Take Venezuela, for example.

  105. I think Sarah Palin will do fine in the debate. For one thing, the crooked media won’t be doing an edit/slash job on her comments because it will be live.

  106. I admire Palin. She is a woman got to where she is without rich powerful parents or famous husband. The funny thing is the MSM is trying to do everything possible to show how she is not one of the elite. The stupid question by Curic about why she only got her passport in 2006 as if that shows how out of touch she is with the world. Her answer: she is not part of the culture where parents give their kids a passport and backpack after college to travel the world, and she had to work two jobs a time to make a living. Does Curic realize how out of touch she is? I am sure lots of people will appreciate how down to earth Palin is. I, for one, was voting McCain because I was against BHO. After Palin, I am For McCain/Palin.

  107. JanH, I agree with you that Palin will do well in the debate. Does anyone think that the opposition candidates in Alaska that she took on were wooses and yet she kicked ass there and with 80% plus approval ratings by the citizens. I’ll bet that Bush and Obama wish they her numbers.

    Part of her charm is her folksy way of talking and doing; the people will identify with her as being like them. It shows that she is not tainted by elitism, or an insider, or a jaded politician.She needs to answer stupid or gotcha questions with, now, that just is not the right question…the right question is…and the answer is……

  108. nikkki,

    Thanks for the link. I’m still not clear on whether this site has the whole thing uncut and undedited.

    h t t p : / / http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml

    Anyway here is Couric trying a misquote gotcha on Kissinger and Palin rebuffing it clearly.

    Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and Syria. Do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President Assad and Ahmadinejad?

    Palin: I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with. You can’t just sit down with him with no preconditions being met. Barack Obama is so off-base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met. That’s beyond naïve. And it’s beyond bad judgment.

    Couric: Are you saying Henry Kissinger …

    Palin: It’s dangerous.

    Couric: … is naïve for supporting that?

    Palin: I’ve never heard Henry Kissinger say, “Yeah, I’ll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.” Diplomacy is about doing a lot of background work first and shoring up allies and positions and figuring out what sanctions perhaps could be implemented if things weren’t gonna go right. That’s part of diplomacy.

    Kissinger came out during the debate to say Obama was misquoting him in the same way. (Weekly Standard iirc).

  109. Lin67 Says: What they need to do is make a deal that the interview will not be edited, it must run in its entirety. That is what BO did when O’Reilly interviewed him, it was part of the conditions of him appearing on O’Reilly

    ============

    I didn’t know that. I’m surprised that Obama didn’t get some editing.

    Palin seems to need some editing also, she repeats herself. But I think they should make a deal that the GOP gets the whole tape and rights to edit it their way for their ads and youtubes,, plus having a GOP editor working with the news editor for the version the news will broadcast.

    Btw I think all this phonetic spelling is unfair, an insult. “bring ’em to ya'” and stuff like that. No news media edit Obama to Pockistan.

  110. That Rezko story is huge isn’t it? Rezko’s influence peddling schemes involved Obama as well as the Governor didnt’ they? If Fitzgerald is going after the Illinois governor–isn’t there a chance he is also looking at Obama?

  111. hwc Says: You mean the news media cleans up the quotes when Bambi starts talking Eubonics?
    ===========

    Well, have you seen phonetic spelling in Obama quotes, even when he’s talking to his own chosen demographic about bamboozle and okiedoke and stuff like that?

    Everyone pronounces ‘them’ and ‘you’ as ’em’ and ‘ya’ in most sentences, but the media doesn’t spell it that way for most speakers, as ABC did with Palin.

  112. uppity woman has a:

    ‘I’VE GOT A BRACLET TOO…’ tee shirt.
    ———-
    LMAO!
    So much for all the pundits saying there was no major gaffes last night that weren’t going to go away. That is hilarious.

  113. erin brokovih endorses mccain palin.
    —–
    This is happening alot, big name dems switching to McCain. I wonder if they are nervous. I really bet not. I think they think they are going to win.

  114. Hillary= Main Street

    McCain= Main Street

    Palin= Main Street

    Obama= Wall Street

    Bush= Wall Street

    Dean= Wall Street

    Pelosi= Wall Street

    Big Media= Wall Street

  115. Obama is trying to ban those NRA ads now. THis is the 3rd time I have heard threats against free speech by Obama, 1st with Ayers ads, then Mo has been in the news, Saint Louis, and now NRA ads in Pa. They are threatening tv stations, saying they can be sued for airing false ads, (and how many of those has Obama aired????), since it is from a 520 group and not the campaign. The most damaging one shows his voting record, how they can say that is false when a record is a record I don’t know. This is scary. Think of what he is going to ban if he becomes president. We will only be able to listen to or say what Lord Obama deems favorable to him, say good bye to free speech.

  116. U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, speaking to reporters after a meeting with fellow Democrats, said the fee could be assessed after five years if the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office determined taxpayers had lost money in the bailout.

    “If after five years … the CBO decides that the American taxpayer has lost money in this, then there would be a fee on financial institutions,” Pelosi said, adding that she hoped the provision could be part of a final bailout deal.

    Pelosi said that the Secretary of the Treasury could determine how to assess the fee.
    ———————————————
    More political posturing from a wall street darling. Since there is already pressure to move the world financial headquarters from New York to London within the next five years, what do you suppose the political arguments and lobbyist efforts will look like five years from now when the CBO finds taxpayers lost money. And if bambi is dictator by then you know the answer/

    But if it turns out to be the agreed upon solution, the hero is mccain and the house repubs who forced a change in the bailout bill and the villains are the bot-dems who got us into this mess and were fully preparared to join with bush to shaft mainstreet and protect wall street.

    I am positive this idea originated on wall street and was fed to poopsie by them and they have already figured out away to insure against it. Wall street contols the media and party elites. determined to expand their control over this country and bambi is their man.

    Mayer Rothschild, founder of the famous Rothschild empire once said, “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes her laws.” That is Wall Street for you.

  117. This is from a blogger but it was such a great analysis of the snap shot polls last night I thought you all might be interested.
    —————————–
    last night’s snapshot polls (corrected column order)
    September 27, 2008
    Both CNN and Fox had “punch in” polling. Here were the numbers about midnight:

    : CNN FoxNews TOTALS
    McCain 30317 73800 104117
    Obama 73250 30317 88780

    These results show a few things:

    1) for the total of all Democrats and Republicans and Independents, more voted for McCain where the vote ratio was 44% for Obama, but 56% percent for McCain.

    2) CNN has a viewership that is mostly Democrats, that is a ratio of 3:1 over Republicans, yet Obama only got 7:3 ratio which, when a common denominator is used, yields 7:3 ratio out of 9:3 proving that many Democrats switched sides, at least when looking at debate performance. (A tie ratio would have been 9:3, but Obama only got 7:3).

    3) FoxNews viewship is mostly Republicans, and that ratio is about 7:5 over Democrats according to recent viewer’s survey. In this case McCain got a ratio of 3:1 and when the common denominator is changed for comparison we see that with a viewership of 7:5 McCain got a vote of confidence of 15:5 which exceeds a tie of 7:5 by 2 to 1

    4) There was of course some independent voters in the mix, so the ratios are not perfect, but still close

    5) Finally, the FoxNews poll also shows a much larger percentage of Democrats watch FoxNews than the percentage of Republicans that watch CNN. Could it be that FoxNews presents both sides more fairly that CNN?

    I watched the interviews after the debate and very strong arguments were allowed to be made by spokespersons from both McCain and Obama camps on FoxNews. I have watched CNN on occasion in the past, just to compare, and sure enough, CNN lets a Republicn who is a “numb nuts” speak on behalf of McCain/Palin, but picks the brightest Democrat to speak for Obama/Biden.

  118. Another thing: the Paulson bill was a blank check with no oversight. That is what the bot-dems were eager to sign–along with all their pork.

    This reminds me of the fast track authority congress gave bush in the trade area and it has turned out to be a terrible mistake. There must be checks and balances. Unity based on the suppression of dissent is thuggery.

  119. wbboei Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    where is paukeestahhhn? I cant find it on a map.

    ****
    oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit…….

    i snorted my dr pepper….

    oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, that was a good one!

  120. This mirrors alot the posts here during the debate last night, I haven’t seen that in a lot of places. Its from Weekly standard so keep that in mind(conservative):

    About Last Night: No Laughing Matter

    Far be it from me to differ with the punditocracy’s mainstream, but I happen to feel that last night’s debate was a pretty big win for John McCain. I’m aware that most observers have called it a draw, agreeing that both men performed rather ably. I’m also aware that the polls show a majority of watchers thought Obama “won.” But still, it was a big night for McCain. Or more precisely, it was a bad night for Obama.

    Judging these things like a high school debate is a fool’s (or CNN’s) errand. Who cares who “won” the debate? We’re not electing a debater-in-chief. A more probative inquiry is who won more votes. Or to ask a related question, who lost fewer votes.

    I agree with the multitudes of analysts who say that both men performed ably. The strength of Obama’s performance, especially in the debate’s first half, came as something of a surprise. He must have cut his normal quotient of “ums” and “ahs” by at least 50%, and he put himself across in a relatively forceful manner. At the other end of the stage, McCain’s competence in this kind of forum came as no surprise to people familiar with John McCain’s skills. (As a Romney supporter during the primaries, McCain’s supple mind and command of details constantly provided frustration.)

    But again, you don’t determine the winner of these things by calculating who most skillfully evaded taking a position on the Paulson Plan. We might as well skip ahead to the real goal which isn’t winning a debate but rather winning votes.

    Like I said, McCain came across well as he always does at these things. Low end news gatherers who were expecting a doddering old warmonger got a surprise. McCain looked and sounded presidential.

    McCain’s running attack on Obama did serious damage, especially given the way Obama’s behavior played right into the attack’s theme. Throughout the evening, McCain said that Obama “didn’t understand” things. The message was as subtle as a Howard Dean scream – on one part of the stage you had the old Warhorse who has been around the track; on the other end of the stage, according to McCain, you had a neophyte. McCain was making a frontal assault on Obama’s maturity and judgment.

    The assault only directly drew blood in a couple of instances. Obama looked silly when he couldn’t distinguish between “tactics” and “strategy,” and his endless parsing on preconditions and preparations came across as patently disingenuous. But the real damage came with the debate’s optics. Having his maturity frontally challenged, Obama by his own creative antics often came across as childish, petulant and a little odd.

    Let us count the ways:

    1) Several times during the debate, Obama would smirk and laugh while McCain spoke. The optics of this were just awful. If Obama had wanted to come across as an arrogant jerk, this is the strategy he would have chosen. Frankly, it’s rather shocking that Obama repeatedly made such a mistake. Al Gore cost himself the 2000 election with his first debate performance where he derided everything George W. Bush said with a series of sighs and smirks. Oh yeah – the polls and the pundits said Gore “won” that tussle right after it concluded, although history has rendered a different verdict.

    Gore’s antics were completely unprecedented. Up until that time, every other presidential candidate had managed to comport himself in a reasonably mature fashion while doing a televised debate. And yet in 2004, George W. Bush took the Gore tactics out for a test drive during his first debate with John Kerry, scowling virtually every time Kerry spoke. Bush’s lead in the polls quickly evaporated.

    The voters expect a certain level of decorum from their candidates. Obama didn’t demonstrate that decorum last night. While he debated more effectively than he has in the past, he came across poorly.

    2) On a related note, Obama kept referring to McCain as “John” while the older candidate referred to his foe as “Senator.” Again, I don’t understand the thought process here. Maybe Obama thought he would appear more presidential and less a lightweight by treating his more seasoned opponent in an overly familiar manner. But the difference in the two candidates’ approaches grated as the evening wore on.

    3) Obama often refers to himself as “we.” What’s up with that?

    4) Obama pronounces Pakistan like a high school civics teacher trying to show of his erudition – “Pah-kee-stun.” Whenever he does this, he comes across as a smarty-pants showoff. Besides, I would argue that in America, we know and commonly refer to the country in question as, you know, Pakistan, not Pah-kee-stun. Obama is only right on this if he also calls Spain “la España.”

    5) The “two bracelets” moment showed Obama at his “I have to be the smartest guy in the room” worst. This could emerge as the signature moment of the debate, where Obama’s insecurities and insincerity combined to create a perfect storm. (Apparently, he couldn’t recall the name of the soldier he was purportedly honoring until he looked it up on his bracelet.)

    America is still getting to know Barack Obama. Last night, the candidate did himself no favors. Mind you, I’m not a habitual hater of Obama. I’ve never called him “despicable” or “evil,” the terms most currently in vogue on the left to describe John McCain. In fact, as I’ve written many times, from everything I’ve heard Barack Obama is a good guy. But he didn’t come across as one last night.

  121. from previous thread:

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/nile_gardiner/blog/2008/09/27/john_mccain_gives_barack_obama_a_master_class_in_foreign_policy

    Nile, you were paying closer attention than Toby was. Or, maybe, us old-timers have a more careful feel for the international relations–basing it on historic, ethnographic, and experiential factors. It’s too easy to substitute desired results for realpolitik. Only really junior-class folk like Obama would do that. Obama would have walked into the Presidency, if he had had the dignity to wait four or eight years

    Exactly. Hillary offered him VP on Clinton/Obama. That would have given him 16 years in the White House: four years as VP, an easy job, just flying around making speeches. Then an easy nomination and POTUS for himself, with a united party behind him.

    Instead he chose to divide the party and risk the election — probably losiing the Dem’s chance to retake the White House.

  122. Lin67 Says:
    September 27th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    This mirrors alot the posts here during the debate last night, I haven’t seen that in a lot of places. Its from Weekly standard so keep that in mind(conservative):

    ———————————

    Beware Admin. You and us, we have been reduced to Weekly Std. 🙂

  123. 3) Obama often refers to himself as “we.” What’s up with that?
    —————————
    It’s called “the royal ‘we’ ”
    The king or queen of England traditionally refers to him/her self as “we” — recall Queen Victoria: “We are not amused.”
    Obama apparently thinks of himself as a king.

  124. from previous thread:

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/nile_gardiner/blog/2008/09/27/john_mccain_gives_barack_obama_a_master_class_in_foreign_policy

    Nile, you were paying closer attention than Toby was. Or, maybe, us old-timers have a more careful feel for the international relations–basing it on historic, ethnographic, and experiential factors. It’s too easy to substitute desired results for realpolitik. Only really junior-class folk like Obama would do that. Obama would have walked into the Presidency, if he had had the dignity to wait four or eight years

    Exactly. Hillary offered him VP on Clinton/Obama. That would have given him 16 years in the White House: four years as VP, an easy job, just flying around making speeches. Then an easy nomination and POTUS for himself, with a united party behind him.

    Instead he chose to divide the party and risk the election — probably losiing the Dem’s chance for sixteen years in the White House.

  125. I agree turndown, I watched that speech in 2004 and I was impressed, I thought wow, he will probably be president some day. I didn’t think he would run in 4 years, if he had waited he would have had it handed to him. But now I’m disillusioned, he didn’t the party or the people first, he put himself first.

  126. Lin67 Says:
    I agree turndown, I watched that speech in 2004 and I was impressed, I thought wow, he will probably be president some day. I didn’t think he would run in 4 years, if he had waited he would have had it handed to him.
    ==========

    Handed by the Clintons, as Hllary’s VP….

    Actually Obama’s original plan was called ‘2010-2012-2016 plan’. He was not going to consider running for President till 2012 at the earliest or 2016. He was going to win some other major election first, either re-election to the Senate or Goveernor of Illinois. Iirc it was in early 2005 that he decided to move up his schedule. See the Chicago Tribune profile linked from http://www.ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground

  127. McCain’s running attack on Obama did serious damage, especially given the way Obama’s behavior played right into the attack’s theme. Throughout the evening, McCain said that Obama “didn’t understand” things. The message was as subtle as a Howard Dean scream – on one part of the stage you had the old Warhorse who has been around the track; on the other end of the stage, according to McCain, you had a neophyte.
    ———————————————
    Lin: the last sentence of this paragraph caught my eye. If McCain is a warhorse, then to stick with the metaphor of a horse obama is a gelding.

  128. you know that bo had not closed the deal yet..i hope all people leave his campaign he is rude and lies who would ever work for that fraud..

    here is a staement from hillary on..”Paul was an American icon, philanthropist and champion for children. We will miss our dear friend, whose continued support always meant the world to us. Our prayers and thoughts are with Joanne and the Newman family and the many people who Paul impacted through his endless kindness and generosity.” — U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Bill Clinton.
    Gosh i miss Hillary i wonder what she thought of that stupid debate with bo

    BO..

  129. Have you all seen this? For more go to NQ. What is with these Obots in Missouri?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA
    ———————————————
    The ACLU may have something to say about this. At first blush, it looks like a illegal prior restraint on freedom of speech protected under the First Amendment. Anyone else see it differently?

    I expect the Republican Party is on top of this and will make hay while the sun shines. The political message is this: if you want an incompetent dictatorship, vote for Obama.

  130. ADMIN,

    DID WE ALREADY POST THIS VIDEO OF BOTS, PROTESTING OUTSIDE A IRISH PUB WHERE SARAH PALIN IS SPEAKING?

    THEY’RE F*CKING BITCHES…

  131. Texan, thank you for posting the information. Maybe, McCain will get some vindication, if people know, that the plan goes on line, because of his urging. It is a symbol of transparency, which some people only talk about, and other people actually do. McCain is a doer. Just think, if he didn’t pull that grandstanding, where would the bill be? The jury is still out, but hopefully, there is oversight, and ACORN is out of it.

  132. YAHOO:
    **********

    Chavez says crisis-hit U.S. needs new constitution
    Reuters – Sunday, September 28LISBON, Sept 27 – Venezuela’s leftist President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday it was the capitalist system that had caused the financial crisis in the United States and the country should come up with a new constitution.

    Speaking to reporters in Lisbon on the last leg of a tour that included visits to China and Russia, he said: “I think the United States should start a constituent process to create a constituent assembly, a new truly democratic model.”

    A constituent assembly is a body elected to draft and sometimes adopt a new constitution.

    “It was capitalism that caused the ruin” in the United States, said Chavez, who is one of Washington’s fiercest critics, calling the financial crunch “the worst financial crisis in history”.

    “Let the U.S. empire end and let a great nation and great republic rise from the ruin … It’s time to shout ‘Liberty!’ again in the United States,” Chavez said, calling for a new government to be free of the “dictatorship of the elite” such as big banks and corporations.

    Critics accuse Chavez of running an authoritarian, Cuban-style regime in oil-rich Venezuela.

    Chavez, who has signed various deals from weapons to energy this week in China and Russia also signed an agreement with Portugal’s Socialist government on Saturday to buy 1 million ultra-cheap laptops for schools and 50,000 pre-fabricated houses in deals worth $3 billion.

    They also signed a draft deal between Energias do Portugal and Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA for the development of a liquefied natural gas project from the Blanquilla Este reserve in northern Venezuela.

    The computers, which the government started distributing in Portuguese primary schools this week at a subsidised price of 50 euros , will be delivered to Venezuela from December. They cost 285 euros in stores in Portugal.

    The laptop is based on Intel Corp’s Classmate PC, a cheap computer that has been adopted in various formats in countries such as Brazil and Indonesia.
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    someone at noquarter, suggested this is why obama wants to talk to hugo with no conditions….

  133. devil in details. but it is clear tonight market collapse is very real. no liquidity. some companies say no payheks to employees very possible if banks further fail an they cannot back their own checks. deal may not be liked-but as sen gregg states it will be far worse if folks cannot acess their money from the atm this week.

  134. HUH??? Is McCain making them put the whole bail out bill online? So we can all help the GOP read it and find the pork?

    OH, bravo McCain! Of course Obama will try to take credit for it.

  135. nancy A noquarter:

    As a preface to Nancy’s article it might be helpful to offer a refresher for new NoQuarter readers on the deep and long-term relationship between Barak Obama and ACORN, which stands for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN Housing provides mortgage loan counseling, first-time homebuyer classes, and helps clients obtain affordable mortgages through unique lending partnerships. They even set up their own lending institution as a non-profit mortgage brokerage with CitiMortgage, Bank of America, First American Title Insurance Company, and Fannie Mae to help low- and moderate-income families find safe, affordable mortgages.

    This is one of the community organizing groups into which the Democrats tried to funnel billions of dollars in the first draft designed to capture the 700 billion pound gorilla. Read this and understand why that little treat was considered nearly criminal by even the casual observers.

    First. Obama claimed he has no ties to “a group he did some legal work for” back in 1995. Let’s look into that claim.

    In 1995, Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar balked at implementing the federal motor voter law out of concern that letting people register via postcard and blocking the state from pruning voter rolls might invite vote fraud. A young lawyer named Barak Obama, a community organizer himself, sued on behalf of ACORN and won. ACORN later invited Obama to train its staff on voter registration drives.
    In 1996 Obama ran for Illinois State Senate and ACORN became his precinct organization, identifying and turning out the vote.
    When Obama served on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago, the Fund frequently gave ACORN grants to fund its agenda and voter registration activities.
    In 2004 ACORN operates as Obama’s precinct organization in his run for the U.S. Senate.
    In 2007 ACORN’s national political arm endorsed Obama for president, and its “nonpartisan” voter registration affiliate starts registering hundreds of thousands of voters for Obama.
    Obama claims he has no ties to “a group he once did some legal work for.”
    In July 2008 the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, along with NoQuarter researchers, exposes the lie by uncovering $832,598.29 that the Obama campaign funneled through a front company called Citizens Services, Inc.
    ACORN, which receives partial taxpayer funding, used those funds to conduct solicitations for contributions to and raised over $800,000 for Obama in Philadelphia alone.
    Where does ACORN, the political group get this money? In 2006 Project Vote hired ACORN and CSI as its highest paid contractors, paying ACORN $4,649,037 and CSI $779,016. It has also been well documented that money flows to them from various sources including from the federally chartered non-profit ACORN Housing Corporation, as you will see below.

    Now, on to Nancy’s article.

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    The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), with a smattering of Obama and ACORN thrown in to the mix assisted in the creation of the subprime housing saga. The saga led to the governmental take over of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Obama tries to emit Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, confuses them and turns grey while discussing the bailout. Obama “obviously” has no idea who Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are but I digress.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F-PMY72luY&hl=en&fs=1%5D

    There is still more from another group, Consumer Rights League (CRL), who appeared as supporting evidence in an earlier NoQuarter story, Obama’s Acorn: A Leftist Social Reform Group. Part II who has done extensive research on the ACORN Housing Corporation. Consumer Right’s League’s research is chronicled in the following paper, ACORN’s Hypocritical House of Cards: How One “Community” Group Helped the Housing Crisis Harm Taxpayers. Read about that Target—–>Direct Actions—–>Victory——>Partnership—–>$$$$ For Organizing

    This information is provided by Former ACORN Organizer and University of Georgia Professor Fred Brooks.

    CRL really did their homework and was able to retrieve information on the funding ACORN receives from financial institutions through whistleblowers (former employees) and public records. Some of the whistleblowers provided CRL with internal e-mails. Here are some of those figures:

    In addition to the millions of taxpayer dollars AHC has taken in, one of
    the organization’s tax returns shows private donations of more than $4 million
    from major banks.6 Whistleblower documents covering AHC’s revenue
    sources from July 1, 2004 through June 31, 2005 included:

    • ACORN (Citibank Partnership)………………………….$127,500
    • ACORN (Citibank Partnership)………………………….$240,000
    • ACORN (Freddie Mac)……………………………………….$35,000
    • Ameriquest Mortgage…………………………………………$130,000
    • Fannie Mae (for Broadband)…………………………………$20,000
    • Fannie Mae FYE 2005–2006………………………………$100,000
    • JP Morgan Chase 2005–2006…………………………..$1,000,000
    • Bank of America 2005–2006……………………………$1,390,000
    • Washington Mutual…………………………………………..$175,000
    • M & T Bank…………………………………………………….$150,000
    • United Way (American Dream)……………………………..$15,000

    Why should banks pay without a fight? Banks according to CRL, “look at it as a cost of doing business.” It seems that ACORN forces banks to see it as doing business….according to an internal statement that CRL retrieved.

    ACORN does have a historical place in the current home crisis. Here is more on that, ACORN:

    …has become both a leading beneficiary and an important advocate of the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). Three decades ago politicians, spurred by activist groups, found that banks were engaging in “redlining” refusing loans in areas with high concentrations of individuals with low credit scores. Legislators passed a bill that gave community groups significant sway over bank mergers based on the banks’ record of lending to minorities and the poor. The fact that poor credit put such borrowers at higher risk for default was deemed irrelevant. ACORN and AHC have taken advantage of that 1977 bill and have aggressively argued— since at least 1991—for its continuation. Given ACORN’s reliance on AHC to funnel federal funds for “mortgage counseling,” such support is hardly surprising.

    It is important that we understand the Community Reinvestment Act, its passage and who it was passed under.

    The Community Reinvestment Act or (CRA) was passed in 1977 under President Jimmy Carter. Take the time to watch the following video. It explains Obama, his advisers, foreclosures, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 and their connections to the subprime mortgage loans:

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&hl=en&fs=1]

    The CRA’s purpose is:

    to encourage depository institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound banking operations. It was enacted by the Congress in 1977 (12 U.S.C. 2901) and is implemented by Regulations 12 CFR parts 25, 228, 345, and 563e. (See Regulation).

    Furthermore there are reports that must be checked periodically:

    # The CRA requires that each insured depository institution’s record in helping meet the credit needs of its entire community be evaluated periodically. That record is taken into account in considering an institution’s application for deposit facilities, including mergers and acquisitions. (See CRA Ratings) CRA examinations (see Exam Schedules) are conducted by the federal agencies that are responsible for supervising depository institutions: the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (FRB), the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), and the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS).

    According to Thomas J. DiLorenzo in The Government-Created Subprime Mortgage Meltdown,

    The original lobbyists for the CRA were the hardcore leftists who supported the Carter administration and were often rewarded for their support with government grants and programs like the CRA that they benefited from. These included various “neighborhood organizations,” as they like to call themselves, such as “ACORN” (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). These organizations claim that over $1 trillion in CRA loans have been made, although no one seems to know the magnitude with much certainty. A U.S. Senate Banking Committee staffer told me about ten years ago that at least $100 billion in such loans had been made in the first twenty years of the Act.

    DiLorenzo explains the Catch-22 that these “community” banks find themselves in as a result of this 30 year old law:

    Banks have been placed in a Catch 22 situation by the CRA: If they comply, they know they will have to suffer from more loan defaults. If they don’t comply, they face financial penalties and, worse yet, their business plans for mergers, branch expansions, etc. can be blocked by CRA protesters, which can cost a large corporation like Bank of America billions of dollars. Like most businesses, they have largely buckled under and have surrendered to their bureaucratic masters.

    Consequently, banks in every community in America have been forced to hold a portfolio of bad loans, euphemistically referred to as “subprime” loans. In order to compensate themselves for the added risk of extending these loans, many lenders have increased the lending fees associated with mortgage loans. This is simply an indirect way of doing what banks always do – and what they must do to remain solvent: charging effectively higher rates of interest on riskier loans.

    DiLorenzo has more to say on this “predatory lending”:

    Then groups like ACORN call these loans discriminatory forcing the banks into making loans that they ultimately have no protection from. Thus, if one browses the ACORN web site, one can read of their boasts of having “predatory lending laws” passed in numerous states which outlaw such fees, prohibiting banks from protecting themselves from the added risk involved in making forced loans to “subprime” borrowers.

    Of course it doesn’t end there. Banks are constantly threatened with fines if they do not comply with the requirements of the CRA. See how the Democrats have been forcing the issue lately. Investors.com wrote about this very subject:

    Only, the risk-taking was her idea (Rep. Nancy Pelosi) — and the idea of all the other Democrats, along with a handful of Republicans, who over the past 30 years have demonized lenders as racist and passed regulation after regulation pressuring them to make more loans to unqualified borrowers in the name of diversity.

    They were the ones who screamed — “REDLINING!” — and sent banks scurrying for cover in low-income neighborhoods, where they have been forced to lower long-held industry standards for judging creditworthiness to make the subprime loans.

    If they don’t comply, they are threatened with stiff penalties under the Community Reinvestment Act, or CRA, a law that forces banks to make home loans to people with poor credit risks.

    Banks are required to keep up good ratings or mergers and other transactions can be blocked by the federal government. The CRA grew enormous during the Clinton era, with the many amendments that were added raising the amount of home loans to otherwise unqualified low-income borrowers. There were other problems associated with these amendments. This is exactly where Obama and ACORN enter the scene.

    In February 2008, in The New York Post, economics professor Stan Liebowitz of the University of Texas at Dallas suggested:

    At the crisis’ core are loans that were made with virtually nonexistent underwriting standards—no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant’s ability to make payments; no down payment … From the current hand-wringing, you’d think that the banks came up with the idea of looser underwriting standards on their own, with regulators just asleep on the job. In fact, it was the regulators who relaxed these standards—at the behest of community groups and “progressive” political forces.

    Liebowitz further pointed to ACORN’s role in the current housing “crisis” and to current advertisements ighlighting its role in procuring loans without using credit scores, 100-percent financed loans, and acceptance of undocumented income.

    ACORN was responsible for issuing mortgages via CRA with little or no paperwork. They were also known as NINJAs….It stands for No Income, No Job, No Assets. These loans were still available in February of this year.

    More from a New York Times, 1992 article, Fading Red Line; A special report; New Hope in Inner Cities: Banks Offering Mortgages:

    ACORN’s longtime housing leader, Michael Shea, admitted that banks would not have adopted ultimately harmful policies “if there was no community pressure and the law,” but
    that those factors made “a lot of bankers see it’s in their self-interest.”

    That self interest— ACORN’s and modern banks’—made possible the extension of cheap credit to risky borrowers and has led directly to the modern subprime mess. It’s important to note, as the Times did, that in this campaign there were “many such voices. But by far the loudest belongs to Acorn…”

    Of course not all financing for ACORN comes from financial institutions, a good deal of their financing comes from the American taxpayer in the form of grants and contracts because they are AHC is tax exempt. And CRL says this how AHC’s finances breakdown:

    Two out of every five dollars AHC takes in come from taxpayer coffers.

    Since so much money they raise comes from taxpayers, don’t you think ACORN should be doing good works? They may have some good work in the past, in recent years, not all of their works have been helpful to their clients or good use of taxpayer money. Here are some things they have been doing:

    • Poor service to some of its vulnerable clients
    • Potential staff lapses allowing HUD fraud

    • Controversial collaborations assisting undocumented
    workers in obtaining mortgages

    • Assistance to borrowers using “under the table”
    undocumented income in loan applications

    • Ironic (if not hypocritical) recommendations
    for exotic loans

    • Possible violations of federal law through
    failure to maintain a distinction between
    the activities of AHC and those of the very
    political ACORN

    Consumer Rights League has received many internal e-mails via whistleblowers as I said earlier. CRL has more information about ACORN’s questionable loan documentation. CRL discusses that more:

    Of specific concern is ACORN’s agreement to provide letters of “undocumented income” to Bank of America.According to a 2005 internal ACORN e-mail, that bank “pays ¼ of $1,300,000 each quarter.”Another pre-2007 ACORN document instructs its staff:

    Undocumented income is a feature that allows ACORN Housing counselors to capture the applicant(s) total household income. Primarily observed in minority and immigrant communities, this type of income is not reported to the IRS and is also known as under-the-table.

    As we can see ACORN and ACORN Housing Corporation are both quite closely connected. Not only are they connected to each other but pretty closely related to the current housing crisis. In light of the Washington Mutual collapse and the federal government taking over Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae, it is important to note that ACORN had their fingers in those “honey pots” too. One more mortgage company that ACORN played business with that went down was Ameriquest Mortgage highlighted in the following article, Latest Ameriquest Speculation: Citigroup, Morgan Stanley.

    I am left with three questions. How many more financial institutions will suffer at ACORN’s hand? How many companies will be bailed out that are in bed with ACORN? And how much money will ACORN receive in the form of funds from the bailout? See more on the bailout, ACORN-NUTS!- at TheCorner at National Review Online (NRO).

    CRL has a very interesting conclusion to their research. I will let CRL conclude my article for me. Here is their conclusion:

    ACORN’s long history of abusing the public’s trust seems to have continued through the housing bubble. Its advocacy for loose credit played a role in the current subprime mess. Its advocacy of exotic loans calls into question the wisdom of giving taxpayer money to the organization. And its record of inappropriate ties between a non-profit that receives government funding and a political organization may violate federal laws. Congressional leaders should be wary of donating hard-earned tax dollars to a group with this sordid record. At a minimum, a Congressional investigation is warranted.

  136. pelosi relents to mccain request to place bill online
    ———————————————
    Good! We get to see what we are paying for. Its called transparency. Fresh air is the best
    disinfectant. Electric light the best policeman. If they dare put pork in the bailout bill they will be accountable to voters. It should also be reported on c-span and in newspapers for people who do not have computers. We shall see how well our elected representatives have protected–or compromised our interests for the benefit of Wall Street. If they have the gaul to put ACORN in this one there should be full disclosure of Obama ties to same and their record of fraud.

  137. I seem to recall a secret payment of $800,000 by the obama campaign to ACORN which they tried to hide by passing it off as something else. I believe the Federal Election Commission caught the obama campaign red handed and fined them. If it is important I will see if I can find it/

  138. I just read about the Missouri situation with Obama. Since I can’t get the video, could someone tell me who is on it and what they are saying?

    On NO QUARTER someone suggested that the Missouri Attorney General should investigate.

    The Missouri Attorney General is a Democrat who is running for governor and he is a big Barack Obama supporter. Perhaps he will investigate if there is enough “stink” in the media, blogs about it???

  139. ACORN is promoting a black market economy when it uses unreported income of undocumented workers to justify federally insured loans. That has a pernicious effect on the legitimate economy. It was what killed the Soviet economy long before Reagan told Gorbie to tear down that wall. BTW I wonder if W has looked into Putin’s eyes lately. Putin is a predator and he smells weakness in Bambi.

  140. gateway pundit:
    **************************
    Thursday, September 25, 2008
    Missouri Sheriffs & Top Prosecutors Form Obama “Truth Squads” & Threaten Libel Charges Against Obama Critics

    More Hope and Change for Missouri…
    St. Louis and Missouri Democrat sheriffs and top prosecutors are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign. This is so one sided I can’t even begin to describe how wrong this agenda is.

    It’s one thing if they want to keep the campaign fair for both sides, but they clearly only want to enforce the issue for the Obama Camp.

    KMOV has a video report on the Obama “Truth Squads”.

    St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch are threatening to bring libel charges against those who speak out falsely against Barack Obama.

    KMOV aired a story last night, that stated that St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, both Obama supporters, are threatening to bring criminal libel charges against anyone who levels what turns out to be false criticisms of their chosen candidate for President.

    St. Louis C of CC Blog has more on the Obama Truth Squads.
    Hat Tip Kat

    ** Here you go Truth Squad… Sue me first!
    Barack Obama Attacked White People!

    From his audio-book dreams of my father, Barack Obama was moved to tears when he heard his racist anti-American pastor blame whitey for all of the world’s pain and ills.
    In fact, he was so moved by this filth that he included the story in his book Dreams of My Father.

    Here Barack Obama lashes out at the white man’s greed:
    (34 seconds)

    Audio was taken from a Hugh Hewitt Show.
    In Obama’s own words:

    “It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”
    “White folk’s greed runs a world in need”…
    Sue me!

    UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds has a thuggery roundup.

  141. The video I have is a local news station, I typed while he talked so I left out anything that isn’t really necessary, and the man is saying,

    “Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is asking Mo law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad during the presidential campaign

    (goes to reporter)

    Prosecutors and sheriffs across MO are joining something called the obama truth squad. 2 high profile prosecutors are part of the team, Jennifer joyce from the city and Bob Muculough the ST louis prosecuting attorney. They will be reminding voters that BO is a christian who wants to cut taxes for anyone making less than 250000 a year and they plan to respond immediately to any ads or statements that might violate any Mo ethic laws.

    (joyce) We want to keep this campaign focused on the issues. We don’t want people to get distracted by these devisive character attacks So we are here to respond to any character attacks to set the record straight.

    (Muculough)Rather it is directly attributal to a campaign or one of the soft money groups If they don’t want to tell the truth then somebody has to stand up and say now wait a minute, this is the truth.

    The obama campaign tells news 4 that others prosecutors and sheriffs are also part of the team, from kc area and rural MO and to include sheriff Glen Boyle.

    —–
    This is all I have heard, but the part that bothers me is that anything that is negative rather there is proof of it or not they call a lie and try to sensor it. LIke the NRA adds. There were no lies there, he is on the record, they want to hide it so they call it a lie.

    Here is the video
    http: / / http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

    from the kansas city area, and rural Mo.

  142. wbboie I posted that, I’m not sure where and its 2 am, I think its on the last post or the one before it. I will find it tomorrow if you don’t. I think it was a pittsburgh paper.

  143. yes, I am wondering the same thing…are there any links to the info that mccain wants the plan online…

    i heard him say that about three days ago…that he wanted transparency and the plan online

    links?

    btw…thinking about debate last night – we should push back with McCain makes 72 look like the new 62…got to hand it to him, for 72 and all the running around he has been doing…he had a lot of info at his command…he is making seniors look inspirational

  144. wbboei @ 1:18, no there was no fine. Obama campaign was politely asked by the FEC (after several groups screamed and yelled at them) if his highness had perhaps made an error in their reporting of expenditures, and Obama said, “Oh, silly me. I wasn’t covering up or falsifying, must have been a clerical error.” And the FEC let him “amend” his FEC report after the fact.

  145. on cnn live the reporter on the hill said pelosi agreed to release the bill online as part fo the deal. who knows if it will happen

  146. did anyone see snl? someone at noquarter said it was pretty good, with something on obama and rezko and other sleazy backers. they said they did palin again. i went to utube, and they already have the one of palin getting dissed there, but as expected, the one that i negative of obama wont play. it says, property of nbc or whatever…

  147. Thanks, Lin67 for the info on the Missouri/Obama Truth Squads.

    This is a more than a bit “concerning”.

    I live close to one of the people mentioned in your transcription. Perhaps I should say no more. I surely would not want to get a 3:00 a.m. phone call and be dragged out of my house by the local sherrif in my nightie.

  148. skmf: yes it is.

    A Camp Obama/ACORN recruit writes home to his parents (with apologies to Alan Sherman)

    Hello mudder
    Hello fadder
    Here I am at
    Camp Obama/ACORN

    Thug-like training
    For the causus
    Scare the voters
    Cause a ruckus

    Tear up ballots
    Grab the packets
    Threaten seniors
    Misreport the ballots

    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O- Great Messhiah
    Mine

    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O-ba-ma
    We lie cheat and steal
    For you O-Messiah
    Mine

    Wait a minute
    They dont like it
    They report it
    Now I’m worried

    Til I learn that
    DNC is on it
    Not a worry
    Any longer

    ? too tired to finish this bs

  149. okay you know whats weird? everytime i go over to fox news, they have alot of pro obama stuff, way more than john mccain. i guess mccain really is a maverick, cause his own party sure dont seem to give a crap about him.

  150. what I think has happened at fox news is two things: first, Rupert Murdock has decided that Bambi would be better for his business interests than mccain because bambi is a wall street guy. Second, they have attracted a fairly substantial democratic audience and they want to retain it after the election. I have no proof but a pretty strong hunch. The only good ones over there are hannity and greta. PS: any network that would employ Morris is suspect in my judgment.

  151. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 2:01 am
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    thanks H4T: yes it all comes back to me now/

  152. yeah makes sense… but actually i think they are more afraid of john than obama…. and i agree on morris, there is some real rot going on there.

  153. I didn’t get a chance to catch the beginning of SNL, but this is what the NQ post said:

    Comment by Skip | 2008-09-28 00:39:43

    Anyone catch Saturday Night Live?

    They actually did a skit which somewhat slammed Obama (mentioned Rezko, bribes, kickbacks, and even the race card.) Can you believe it!?

    Also, Darrell Hammond did his Bill Clinton take –
    it was all about how the Big Dog is NOT really supporting Obama. It was funny, and of course, so true.

    Of course, they did the obligatory Sarah Palin “just ain’t that smart” bits. Tina Fey was back. They were actually pretty funny also, and not really too mean spirited.

    Anyway, I just wanted to mention how FOR ONCE somebody in the mainstream dared to mention something critical about The One.

    Maybe SNL has some balls after all.

    PUMA

  154. Huge British Bank B & B has collapsed, has been taken over by the Govt and will be split up and sold off bit by bit.

  155. Biden the Bumbler

    washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/28/biden-the-bumbler/

    Sen. Joe Biden is proving to be a disastrous pick – threatening to bring down the Democratic ticket. The vice presidential candidate said this week that national leaders should follow the example of President Franklin Roosevelt’s response to a financial crisis.

    “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened,’ ” Mr. Biden told “CBS Evening News.”

    But Herbert Hoover, not Roosevelt, was president when the stock market crashed in 1929 – a fact commonly known to many high-school students (but apparently not to Mr. Biden). Moreover, television was barely in existence in those days. Radio was the mass medium of the time.

    This is not simply a case of Mr. Biden being historically illiterate. It goes to the core of his candidacy’s problem: He is a buffoon and a bumbler. His list of gaffes is becoming legendary. He recently said Sen. Hillary Clinton is “more qualified than I am to be vice president.” In Missouri, he told a paraplegic state official to stand up to be recognized. He has referred to his wife, a college professor, as “drop-dead gorgeous,” but who problematically has a doctorate. Last year, he described Sen. Barack Obama as clean, bright and articulate. He once said an Indian accent is needed to enter a Dunkin’ Donuts or 7-Eleven in Delaware.

    Mr. Biden has become a national joke.

  156. *On TV Sunday Morning:

    NBC Meet the Press

    President Bill Clinton talks about his fourth annual Global Initiative; David Axelrod and Steve Schmidt discuss the first presidential debate; Rep. Mark Udall (D) and former Rep. Bob Schaffer (R) discuss Colorado issues.

    ——————————–

    ABC This Week With George Stephanopoulos

    GOP presidential candidate John McCain answers questions in a town hall meeting.

    ——————————–

    CBS Face the Nation
    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

  157. skmf12 Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 3:01 am
    okay you know whats weird? everytime i go over to fox news, they have alot of pro obama stuff, way more than john mccain. i guess mccain really is a maverick, cause his own party sure dont seem to give a crap about him.

    —–
    skm, those ads are random, its who ever is buying the ad space. national review on line who is about as conservative as you can get always has Obama ads up there, and they always joke about it. There is no control as to what ads pop up. Just tells you how much advertising BO has bought on the internet.

  158. I still think fox is pretty balanced. I was watching it yesterday morning and Senator gray haired democrat (frank, dodd, not sure who but they are all the same) was again saying they had a deal all but done and guess who came to town and blew it up, and the fox news commentator did not let him get away with that. He repeated what republicans had been saying and said 6 times there never was a deal. They probably aren’t perfect, but the MSM would have let the liar get away with it.

  159. Missouri has a problem with freedom of speech and it seem Obama law degree was to find out our weaknesses and not the strengths. It seem the democrats are using the letter of the law only and throwing away all founding father traditions of free speech.

    I DON’T TRUST OBAMA ON ANYTHING!!!

  160. nikki22 Says:
    It’s hard for Palin to do worse than the Couric interview.
    ============

    Is there a complete, unedited transcript of the Couric interview available? All I have found is the gotcha about McCain’s record and Couric’s trick of saying “Great Depression” and pretending Sarah had said it first.

    Are those the ONLY things Couric asked about?
    ————
    There is also the Henry kissinger bit, where they were talking about sitting with world leaders without preconditions, Sarah said bad idea, Couric said Kissinger didn’t thinks so, Sarah said I don’t think that is right, then Couric came back after the interview and said we checked it and Kissinger did support sitting down world leaders without preconditions. BO tried that at the debate and McCain nailed him on it, and then Kissinger came out and said McCain was write, on the state dept level, never on the presidential level, which exonerated Sarah but nobody probably cared about it by then. But Sarah was actually right and Couric was wrong. She just hasn’t had enough practice with vitrol against her, she has probably never been hated so much or ran into a media so determined to twist anything she says to destroy her. Maybe she’s a little too nice. She did great with Hannity. I would love to see her do an interview with some newsperson not as right wing as Hannity but middle of the road and fair, but I don’t think one exists.

    Haven’t seen a trascript, but if I do I’ll post it.

  161. FOXNews is reporting about voter fraud right now and how they have been tracking this for 6 months and that the viewers are writing in with eyewittness accounts and concerns.

  162. Hi everyone.
    I’ve been VERY busy with my first ever free-lance reporter assignment!!!! 😀 (And everything I know about writing has been learned at the feet of the masters from admin to wbboei to grape, hillaryfortexas, carby and all the other great communicators on forum).

    Anyway, i can’t BELEIVE that clip of protestors against Palin at the irish Pub! Imagine if they were protesting BO! Despicable!

    And the Missouri TRUTH SQUAD scares the sh!t outta me. Orwell had it right 60 years ago. Thought Police invade America.es to America.

  163. FOXNews is reporting about voter fraud right now and how they have been tracking this for 6 months and that the viewers are writing in with eyewittness accounts and concerns.

    Carby, post a vid if you run across one, okay?

    Regarding the MO truth squads…that makes me feel like I could puke. Seriously.

  164. Here’s another version of the Camp Obama song just because I have too much time on my hands.

    A Camp Obama/ACORN recruit writes home to his parents (with apologies to Alan Sherman)

    Hello papa
    Hello mama
    Here I am at
    Camp Obama

    Thug-like training
    For the caucus
    Scare the voters
    Cause a ruckus

    Threaten voters
    Get in their faces
    Tear up ballots
    Hijack state races

    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O- Great Messiah
    Mine

    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    O-ba-ma
    We lie cheat and steal
    For you O-Messiah
    Mine

    Criticize him
    If you dare to
    They’ll bring D.A.s
    In to scare you

    The DNC
    Will feed the media
    So the campaign
    Doesn’t need ya

    O-ba-ma
    We really love you
    We don’t want
    A girl above you.
    We’ll throw her under the bus
    O – Messiah mine.

  165. I’m through with SNL…they went over the line with the incest joke and I don’t have to spend my money on trash.

  166. Good Morning All,

    So tell me, why is it they are always calling for the women to quit, but when Q ran with Bush, no one said a thing. I really am beginning to resent this.

    McCain’s health is no larger a factor then what could happen to O (Skin cancer is one of the most curable cancers if watch closely). Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want anything to happen to either of them, but they act as though McCain is at such great risk here. O has been (and who knows) might still be a smoker. As I remember the health risks of AAs in this area are pretty high, and I don’t think anyone has asked for his EKG.

  167. I can’t wait until BO goes after the NRA. 👿

    EVERYONE,

    I stumbled on this amazing media email list.

    rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm

  168. John Fund, “Stealing Elections,” is on FOX and going after ACORN.

    He says it’s being investigated in 12 states, so far, and he explains the connection between it and Fannie Mae/freddie Mac.

    Although ACORN is apparently out of the loop in the present bailout Fund says he won’t believe it until he sees the dead body.

  169. One thing I like about FOXNews is that they are going after Barney Frank and everytime Big mouth Barney get up there and blames Wall Street and Republicans, Fox host go after him tooth and nail and hit him with 10 ton hammer.

  170. Is the union for miners or Obama?

    Nobody coerces UMW members, and that includes their union
    IN the last two presidential elections, the leaders of the United Mine Workers have embraced the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate while West Virginians have elected Republican George Bush.

    The gulf between the union and the people of the state appears to be widening this year as union leaders launch an all-out effort to elect Democrat Barack Obama over Republican John McCain.

    That effort includes a call for a strike – a brief work stoppage – at Consol’s Blacksville No. 2 mine because a crew for the National Rifle Association filmed an anti-Obama ad at the mine.

    Union officials said the film crew tried to get people to bad-mouth Obama.

    “This, I think, is an attempt to try to twist the facts here,” UMW president Cecil Roberts said. “We’re just hoping people aren’t misled.”

    An NRA official denied that.

    “This is an effort by the Obama campaign to try and shift the focus away from Barack Obama’s abysmal record on guns,” NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told the Associated Press. “I checked with our crew that was out there and they said they didn’t coerce anyone.”

    Absent evidence of coercion or misleading people, a work stoppage, however brief, would seem unjustified from the union membership’s perspective. Many union members are also members of the NRA. Furthermore, they would be striking against themselves.

    From the union leadership’s perspective, it makes perfect sense. The leadership has curried favor with Democratic leaders despite an increasing gulf between the liberal national Democrats and the rank and file in West Virginia.

    A work stoppage over an anti-Obama ad is an unnecessary reminder of that gulf, and certainly will not change the minds of any union member who is leaning toward McCain.

    http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/Editorials/200809250155
    *****************************************************
    Pls pass this around, the Republicans need to push back hard or they’ll be like Hillary Clinton on the outside looking in.

  171. Here’s another NRA ad that is running:

    election.newsmax.com/nra_wayoflife.html

    Now you know why Palin is such a threat to Obamacats and those Republicans that are trying to get her to resign really don’t want their party to win in November.

  172. Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son’s Bracelet… Where is Media?
    Photo of Warner Todd Huston.
    By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
    September 28, 2008 – 03:53 ET

    Barack Obama played the “me too” game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.

    Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.

    Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show “Route 51” asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama’s positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son’s name on the campaign trail.

    Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because “she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan’s name.” Jopek went on to say that “she wasn’t looking to turn it into a big media event” and “just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself.” Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.

    But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son’s sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program. (Download radio show HERE)

    TRANSCRIPT

    Brian Jopek: Because of some of the negative feedback she’s gotten on the Internet, you know Internet blogs, you know people accusing her of… or accusing Obama of trying to get votes doing it… and that sort of thing.

    Radio Host Moberg: Yeah

    Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn’t want it to get turned into something that it wasn’t. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don’t think he’s…

    Moberg: It has been a while since he’s brought it up.

    Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that’s his own choice. I mean that’s something Barack Obama, that’s a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to… Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn’t want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he’s still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him.

    Moberg: Maybe there’s a difference between wearing it and making a point to bring it up in your speeches?

    Even the snow job that the radio host tried to pull off to cover for Barack’s refusing the wishes of the family of the KIA soldier who’s bracelet he wears doesn’t pass the smell test. After all, now that Obama has made it a big point in the debates, I guess the silent observance of Sgt. Jopek is no longer so silent and Obama is back to exploiting the death of a soldier even when he was asked NOT to do so by that soldier’s parents.

    To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn’t even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier’s death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man’s Mother who doesn’t want to hurt the campaign.

    This all makes Obama look pretty calculating and blood chillingly callous, doesn’t it?

    And, why is the media not playing this story? The radio show on which this interview is heard happened all the way back in March. How is it the media missed this? Is it because they are also don’t want to hurt Obama’s campaign?

    I can only say that if the parents of the soldier whose bracelet John McCain is wearing had said in public that they want him to stop wearing their son’s bracelet the news would have been coast to coast, and wall to wall, not just ignored in Madison, Wisconsin.

    Obama’s use of this soldier that fell in the line of duty is tainted by his ambition and callousness. And the media is letting him get away with it.
    newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-mediaRadio host Glenn Moberg of the show “Route 51” asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama’s positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son’s name on the campaign trail.

    Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because “she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan’s name.” Jopek went on to say that “she wasn’t looking to turn it into a big media event” and “just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself.” Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.

    But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son’s sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program. (Download radio show HERE)

    TRANSCRIPT

    Brian Jopek: Because of some of the negative feedback she’s gotten on the Internet, you know Internet blogs, you know people accusing her of… or accusing Obama of trying to get votes doing it… and that sort of thing.

    Radio Host Moberg: Yeah

    Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn’t want it to get turned into something that it wasn’t. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don’t think he’s…

    Moberg: It has been a while since he’s brought it up.

    Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that’s his own choice. I mean that’s something Barack Obama, that’s a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to… Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn’t want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he’s still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him.

    Moberg: Maybe there’s a difference between wearing it and making a point to bring it up in your speeches?

    Even the snow job that the radio host tried to pull off to cover for Barack’s refusing the wishes of the family of the KIA soldier who’s bracelet he wears doesn’t pass the smell test. After all, now that Obama has made it a big point in the debates, I guess the silent observance of Sgt. Jopek is no longer so silent and Obama is back to exploiting the death of a soldier even when he was asked NOT to do so by that soldier’s parents.

    To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn’t even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier’s death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man’s Mother who doesn’t want to hurt the campaign.

    This all makes Obama look pretty calculating and blood chillingly callous, doesn’t it?

    And, why is the media not playing this story? The radio show on which this interview is heard happened all the way back in March. How is it the media missed this? Is it because they are also don’t want to hurt Obama’s campaign?

    I can only say that if the parents of the soldier whose bracelet John McCain is wearing had said in public that they want him to stop wearing their son’s bracelet the news would have been coast to coast, and wall to wall, not just ignored in Madison, Wisconsin.

    Obama’s use of this soldier that fell in the line of duty is tainted by his ambition and callousness. And the media is letting him get away with it.

  173. Now do you understand why Obama sent that email saying watch the debate on CNN, it was so he could use the poll afterwards as evidence that he won as it was so skewed in his favour. He knew he’d lose it.

  174. idunn,

    Sorry idunn. it’s all very complicated and I’ll have to read up on it to understand better but the main thrust of his
    report is that ACORN is completely corrupt, it was one of the biggest beneficiaries of FM;FM, the current bailout initially included almost 20% of the total for ACORN, it’s linked with voter fraud, etc……

    He also mentioned ‘community organizing’ several times and seems to be connecting that with FM/FM. i wonder if community organizing isn’t code for FM? Hopefully someone more familiar with ACORN can explain it better.

  175. Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son’s Bracelet… Where is Media? Obama is scum?

    Please get this info out.

    newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media

    Barack Obama played the “me too” game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.

    Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopeck, the father of Ryan Jopeck, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.

    Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because “she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan’s name.” Jopek went on to say that “she wasn’t looking to turn it into a big media event” and “just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself.” Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.

  176. Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son’s Bracelet… Where is Media? Obama is scum?

    Please get this info out.

    Barack Obama played the “me too” game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.

    Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopeck, the father of Ryan Jopeck, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.

    Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because “she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan’s name.” Jopek went on to say that “she wasn’t looking to turn it into a big media event” and “just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself.” Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.

  177. newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media

  178. thanks for the link, carby.

    moonpluto,

    “it was so he could use the poll afterwards as evidence that he won . . . ”

    LOL! That seems a bit far-fetched even for the BOTS but you could be right.

  179. its exactly what it is Basil, he gets so many bots to watch one chanel so it overwhelms the poll and which poll is he using from his campaign to say he won the debate, yes you guessed it, CNN’s

  180. moonpluto,

    What a nasty, classless, tasteless SOB.

    “….his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so.”

  181. Via newsbusters.org/

    CNN Poll Vs. CNN Spin on Presidential Debate
    By John Stephenson | September 27, 2008 – 12:57

    Everybody is talking about this poll from CNN declaring victory for Obama’s debate performance last night with an article titled “Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says.”

    Noah Pollak reads the fine print of the article and takes a few notes from deeper down into the specifics.

    Buried way, way down at the bottom of the story — hopefully, one surmises, past the point where anyone would read — is the following:

    The results may be favoring Obama simply because more Democrats than Republicans tuned in to the debate. Of the debate-watchers questioned in this poll, 41 percent of the respondents identified themselves as Democrats, 27 percent as Republicans and 30 percent as independents.

    I’m far from being a polling expert, but this is obviously a slanted poll. A 14-point split between Republican and Democrat respondents? And what percentage of those “independents” were leaners for Obama?

  182. moonp;luto,

    Between the Missouri “Truth Squads,” the NRA suppression and polling fraud I’m getting more and more scared of a BO victory.

    Axelrod and Schmidt on now. gonna watch.

  183. LMAO!!!!

    MSNBC Busted.. Foreigners Cast 80% of Votes in MSNBC’s Online Debate Poll countries that case votes in MSNBC Poll listed below:

    countusout.wordpress.com/

    ROTFLMAO! Only 20% of MSNBC’s poll respondents were even Americans!

  184. PumaResponders.com

    Sept 27 topics:

    politico: The Mac is back –
    RCP: Biden’s Foot-in-Mouth Disease [good overview] – 1 messages, 1 author
    NY Post: THE TALE OF TWO BRACELETS – 1 messages, 1 author
    WSJ: Re-Seeding the Housing Mess – EASY, GOOD INFO – 1 messages, 1 author
    WSJ: The bailout must protect homeowners EASY – 1 messages, 1 author

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: politico: The Mac is back

    *The Mac is back* – *Roger Simon* –
    Politico.commade
    one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care
    if we win or lose the war in Iraq.
    ….

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: WSJ: Re-Seeding the Housing Mess – EASY, GOOD INFO

    http: / / forums.wsj.com/viewtopic.php?t=4107&sid=b0c09b5a77d4167d9a174ce088360f4f
    Comment box is here. No login requested.

    http: / / online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html
    Article is here.

    [[ This gives the facts about the $700 billion bailout including money going
    to ACORN, Obama’s ‘community organizing’ arm that has been convicted of
    voter registration fraud. — tdo ]]

    Democrats have already decided to spin off potentially billions of taxpayer
    dollars from the bailout fund to their own political buddies — not on Wall
    Street but on nearby K Street. The House and Senate Democratic drafts
    contain an indefensible and well-hidden provision. It would mandate that at
    least 20% of any profit realized from the sale of each troubled asset
    purchased under the Paulson plan be deposited in either the Housing Trust
    Fund or the Capital Magnet Fund. [….]

    What we have here essentially are a pair of government slush funds created
    in July as part of the Economic Recovery Act that pump tax dollars into the
    coffers of low-income housing advocacy groups, such as Acorn.

    Acorn, one of America’s most militant left-wing “community activist groups,”
    is spending $16 million this year to register Democrats to vote in November.
    In the past several years, Acorn’s voter registration programs have come
    under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Michigan, Missouri and Washington,
    while several of their employees have been convicted of voter fraud.

    http: / / forums.wsj.com/viewforum.php?f=28

    Comment forums for related articles.

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: WSJ: The bailout must protect homeowners EASY

    http: / / forums.wsj.com/viewtopic.php?t=4104
    Comment box here, no login.

    http: / / online.wsj.com/article/SB122246931826880625.html
    Article is here.

    The bailout’s structure must be altered. While the credit markets must be
    reassured, homeowners must also receive help to avoid unnecessary
    foreclosures.

    [….] I strongly urge the government to require mass modifications to
    owner-occupied home loans. This moderate investment might prevent thousands
    of foreclosures and considerable economic damage, much as the FDIC is doing
    with the loans it manages due to the failure of IndyMac bank.

  185. PumaResponders.com

    Sept 27 topics:

    politico: The Mac is back –
    RCP: Biden’s Foot-in-Mouth Disease [good overview] – 1 messages, 1 author
    NY Post: THE TALE OF TWO BRACELETS – 1 messages, 1 author
    WSJ: Re-Seeding the Housing Mess – EASY, GOOD INFO – 1 messages, 1 author
    WSJ: The bailout must protect homeowners EASY – 1 messages, 1 author

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: politico: The Mac is back

    *The Mac is back* – *Roger Simon* –
    Politico.commade
    one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care
    if we win or lose the war in Iraq.
    ….

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: WSJ: Re-Seeding the Housing Mess – EASY, GOOD INFO

    h t t p : / / forums.wsj.com/viewtopic.php?t=4107&sid=b0c09b5a77d4167d9a174ce088360f4f
    Comment box is here. No login requested.

    h t t p : / / online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html
    Article is here.

    [[ This gives the facts about the $700 billion bailout including money going
    to ACORN, Obama’s ‘community organizing’ arm that has been convicted of
    voter registration fraud. — tdo ]]

    Democrats have already decided to spin off potentially billions of taxpayer
    dollars from the bailout fund to their own political buddies — not on Wall
    Street but on nearby K Street. The House and Senate Democratic drafts
    contain an indefensible and well-hidden provision. It would mandate that at
    least 20% of any profit realized from the sale of each troubled asset
    purchased under the Paulson plan be deposited in either the Housing Trust
    Fund or the Capital Magnet Fund. [….]

    What we have here essentially are a pair of government slush funds created
    in July as part of the Economic Recovery Act that pump tax dollars into the
    coffers of low-income housing advocacy groups, such as Acorn.

    Acorn, one of America’s most militant left-wing “community activist groups,”
    is spending $16 million this year to register Democrats to vote in November.
    In the past several years, Acorn’s voter registration programs have come
    under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Michigan, Missouri and Washington,
    while several of their employees have been convicted of voter fraud.

    h t t p : / / forums.wsj.com/viewforum.php?f=28

    Comment forums for related articles.

    ==============================================================================
    TOPIC: WSJ: The bailout must protect homeowners EASY

    h t t p : / / forums.wsj.com/viewtopic.php?t=4104
    Comment box here, no login.

    h t t p : / / online.wsj.com/article/SB122246931826880625.html
    Article is here.

    The bailout’s structure must be altered. While the credit markets must be
    reassured, homeowners must also receive help to avoid unnecessary
    foreclosures.

    [….] I strongly urge the government to require mass modifications to
    owner-occupied home loans. This moderate investment might prevent thousands
    of foreclosures and considerable economic damage, much as the FDIC is doing
    with the loans it manages due to the failure of IndyMac bank.

  186. djia Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 9:59 am
    Via newsbusters.org/
    ********************

    and he sent a text to his ‘followers” to watch him on CNN, wayyyy skewed

  187. Now I know where Obama learned to thug his way through a debate by interrupting and smirking all the time. Axlerod is doing the same thing everytime McCain’s top strategist tries to talk on Meet the Press.

    The guy is disgusting.

  188. Bail: terrific. I am excited for you. One honest voice in journalism. Now we have it.

    Lin. If it is true that the ACORN pork has in fact been removed from the bill, then McCain and take credit for that as well! That is a coups.

    Then a 527 can produce a factual video documenting their history of fraud how bambi has been tied to them from the beginning of his career and how the bot dems who tanked our finacancial system tried to slip them into the bailout package when no one was watching–and
    got caught.

    Then bambi can send in his gestapo when it airs in missouri, and the republicans can attack him on the suppression of freedom of speech and perhaps the ACLU will bring a legal action. They have been extremely ineffective in this election.

    Some Republican 527 needs to produce a split screen picture of Benito Mussolini and Bambi. They tilt their head up jut their jaw and project that defiant look in much the same way. We know where that train led now dont we.

  189. wbboei said: Some Republican 527 needs to produce a split screen picture of Benito Mussolini and Bambi. They tilt their head up jut their jaw and project that defiant look in much the same way. We know where that train led now dont we.

    ===========

    Well, at least it was on time.

    g,d,r

  190. h t t p : / / http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/28/AR2008092800064.html
    Comment box is on left near top. My name was already there.

    Lawmakers Reach Accord on Huge Financial Rescue
    Vote is Imminent on $700 Billion Bailout Plan

    Democrats also made a number of concessions, abandoning demands that bankruptcy judges be empowered to modify home mortgages on primary residences for people in foreclosure. They also agreed not to dedicate a portion of any profits from the bailout program to an affordable housing fund that Republicans claimed would primarily assist social service organizations that support the Democratic Party, the official said.
    ===============

    The latter presumably is a figleaf way to say the fund/s that support Acorn.

    On the former, bolded — are the homeowners getting any help at all? (As Hillary recommended in her WSJ piece “Let’s keep people in their homes”)

  191. Here Step was awful with McCain this AM asking him why he didn’t look @ the fraud during the debate saying it was disrespecful.

    Hmmm and not addressing McCain Senator isn’t?

    Of course with the mess we are in $ , that’s the hard hitting ?’s America wants to hear

  192. gonzotx Says: Here Step was awful with McCain this AM asking him why he didn’t look @ the fraud during the debate saying it was disrespecful.
    ==================

    So what did McCain say to Step? I hope he didn’t look at Step either when he said it!

  193. turndownobama-com Says:
    ****************************

    alexis14a // September 28, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Steph is a total ass! he’s asking Mac why he didnt look @ Obie during the debate, that it showed “disdain”…Mac says he was focused on the moderator and the American pple, not his opponent

  194. turndownobama-com Says:
    *****************************

    Steph is a total ass! he’s asking Mac why he didnt look @ Obie during the debate, that it showed “disdain”…Mac says he was focused on the moderator and the American pple, not his opponent

  195. I don’t know why it doesn’t let me give credit sometimes. no http, but i got that from bitterpolitiz and a poster named alexis

  196. Here’s some of the NRO’s suggestions for the McCain camp on Palin. Not that I’m voting for JM but I would like to see Sarah do better because she strikes me as a genuinely good person.

    Re: Solving a Problem Like Sarah [Jonah Goldberg]
    I basically agree with Mona, though I don’t think the Sean appearance was “atrocious.” That said, I’m with the Free Sarah Palin crowd. That doesn’t mean you have to dance to the MSM’s tune. But I’ve been totally flummoxed why they haven’t been putting her on conservative talk radio and, more importantly, on local news stations. If the McCain strategists actually believe any of this elitist-vs-populist stuff when it comes to Palin, why not actually have a media strategy that conforms to that story line? The Bush campaign was very good at “going over the head” of the MSM in 2000 and 2004. The MSM even helped by shrieking their displeasure about it. Why not do the same thing with Palin? This would be a dual track strategy: it would help her get her groove on, and it would force the MSM to whine that this bumpkin from the hustings doesn’t show them due deference, which always makes the press look bad.

  197. More National Review on Gov Palin:

    How do you solve a problem like Sarah Palin? [Mona Charen]

    On Fox News Sunday this morning Bill Kristol said let Palin go – that the McCain team is roping her off from the press and surrounding her with Bushie advisors, which sounds like the third ring of hell. She’s a talented politician, Bill advises, so let her out to do what she is good at doing. I think Bill is mostly right. Palin is under extreme pressure. But walling her off will only increase that pressure. She needs the give and take with crowds and with the press to get her feet back under her.

    That much having been said, and here’s where I slightly disagree with Bill, Palin was atrocious not just with Katie Couric but with friendlies like Sean Hannity. She needs to devise answers for questions about foreign policy that do NOT rely on recent cramming. That will look and sound false. She may make stupid errors. And it plays to her weakness. She should never again refer to her Alaska experience as preparation for the role of commander in chief.

    She needs instead to play to her strengths which are, as I see it, good solid instincts. If she is asked about Waziristan or whateverstan, she should say that (unlike Obama) her desire is always to be firm with adversaries and fair with allies – and to know the difference.

  198. nikki22 Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am
    ******************

    I agree, i don’t know why they let her on those awful shows, but I AM voting JM/SP. This country is in dire straights and can’t afford the Fraud. i trully fear for my children.

  199. She needs instead to play to her strengths which are, as I see it, good solid instincts. If she is asked about Waziristan or whateverstan, she should say that (unlike Obama) her desire is always to be firm with adversaries and fair with allies – and to know the difference.

    (((((((((((((((((((

    I like that line, firm with adversaries and fair with our allies

  200. One more from NRO: Let my Palin go [Mark Steyn]
    I agree with you, Mona, and Kathryn and Bill. The Palin nomination has generated the only real enthusiasm on the Republican side and keeping her under wraps until she can mouth the appropriately nuanced platitudes isn’t worth it. There’s nothing to be gained by taking Miss Authenticity and turning her into a Foggy Bottom bore.

    Plus a gazillion interviews a day with WZZZ-AM Presque-Ile, Maine would lessen the Elimination Round stakes attached to the once-a-month highwire acts with Couric and Gibson. And, as Charlie Gibson’s condescending schoolmarm act suggests, the “Name the Deputy Fisheries Minister of Hoogivsastan” school of questioning is likely to wear thinner a lot quicker than any duff answers.

    By the way, my favorite repulse of the “Gotcha” technique was proposed by Andrew Ferguson (not available online) after Andy Hiller’s famous interrogation of George W Bush in 2000:

    Hiller asked him to name the new prime minister of India.

    “The new prime minister of India is — no,” Bush said. “Can you name the foreign minister of Mexico?”

    “No, sir,” Hiller replied. “But I would say I’m not running for president and I don’t write foreign policy.”

    Upon hearing this weaselly dodge, which is perfectly in keeping with the spirit of gotcha, Bush should have switched fields, to Hiller’s own area of expertise. “You’re in television,” Bush might have said. “Who played the professor on Gilligan’s Island?”

    All Governor Palin should insist on, after the desperate editing of her words by Gibson, is that every interview be live. And, if they’re all disasters, they’ll wind up like Biden’s gaffes or Clinton’s adulteries. As Stalin remarked in another context, one is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

  201. wbboei, turn-down,
    How abou this?

    Here is the Link:
    i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/zuule/BarryObummer/WelcomeToMissouri.jpg

    Jan,
    I thught the same thing but Schmidt was so much more clear and direct than axelgrease, just like their candidates.
    wbboei, awwwww…….thanks. It’s just s small local rag but i’m as excited as if it were the —
    Geez, I can’t even say the NY Times anymore! 😈

  202. This agravates me:

    “Palin interviews sparks GOP concerns”
    http: / /news.aol.com/elections/article/palin-interviews-spark-gop-concerns/192226?icid=100214839x1209964250x1200620339

    Kathleen Parker is a pundit on National Review, she speaks for herself, not the GOP. That title is misleading, which is not at all surprising. And she has been slightly taken to task for that article by her colleagues, basically because the appeal of Sarah Palin is that she isn’t just another politician and that is what Kathleen Parker is complaining about, that she isn’t a polished politician. And those stupid interviews done by the MSM after they did everything they could to destroy her just burn me. They saw a threat and moved to destroy it, regardless of who they stepped on on the way. She really needs to kick major butt at the debates. I hate MSM and Obamabots, they are all disgusting.

  203. They know they can’t attack McCain so they are going after Palin for the most flimsy and non-excusable reasons.

    My fervent hope is that she blasts her way through the debate and shoves it down their throats.

  204. A poster on RD commented on the MO truth squad: Missouri (the “show me state”) is now going to be the “show me your papers” state.

  205. moononpluto Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 9:54 am
    newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media
    *****************************************************
    Why don’t the family go to the newspapers or write a blog or write to Gretawire, Sean Hannity or others.

    I’m just surprise how worthless GWB been in protecting all this oversea money coming in to effect the elections.

  206. Bill Clinton on MTP
    ————————————–
    Bill’s response was strictly pro-forma. Great potential, dont really know him and think the world of mccain.

    Brokaw is complete and total asshole. With all the questions he should be asking a former president right now THIS is the best he can do? Who gives a fuck whether he likes Bambi? Why should he when the bambi campaign has called him a racist and undermine support in the aa community as a political strategy.

    Brokaw was a fool to go to msnbc. That is a toxic waste dump.

  207. Why don’t the family go to the newspapers or write a blog or write to Gretawire, Sean Hannity or others
    ——————————————
    I agree carby. That mother did not realize the kind of individual she was dealing with. Someone who betrays confidences and uses people for his own advantage and them throws them under the bus. I feel sorry for her. In the moment of truth he could not even remember her sons name.

  208. # wbboei Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Why don’t the family go to the newspapers or write a blog or write to Gretawire, Sean Hannity or others
    ——————————————
    I agree carby. That mother did not realize the kind of individual she was dealing with. Someone who betrays confidences and uses people for his own advantage and them throws them under the bus. I feel sorry for her. In the moment of truth he could not even remember her sons name.
    ——————————————————

    No doubt she’s been probably threatened like everyone else who says anything bad about Bambi.

  209. Libel and Political Speech [Stanley Kurtz]

    Can libel charges, or the threat of libel charges, be used to chill free speech? You bet they can. Barack Obama’s latest tactics are all-too-reminiscent of Britain’s libel tourism phenomenon, and of related efforts to use British libel law to censor political speech. In “Not Without a Fight,” I survey the libel tourism phenomenon, link it to the Mark Steyn case (See Mark’s comments below in “Yes, we ban,) and also mention the famous British “McLibel” case, in which McDonald’s restaurant attempted to use Britain’s plaintiff-friendly libel laws to silence anti-McDonald’s protestors. (You can view a fascinating ten-minute preview of an influential documentary about this case, “McLibel: Two Worlds Collide,” here. The British McDonald’s protestors are far on the left. Yet we must support their freedom as if it were our own…because ultimately, it is.

    Can it happen here? Thanks to the Obama campaign, it already is happening. And don’t think American libel law, so much less plaintiff-friendly than British libel law, gives us a free pass. At the counterterrorism blog, Jeffrey Breinholt explains how even American libel laws can be used to intimidate and silence speech. As I point out in “Not Without a Fight,” what really protects free speech here in the United States is the value we place upon it, and the shame we would feel handling criticism by way of law suits. When it comes to silencing critics, on the other hand, the Obama campaign appears to have no shame. That augers poorly for the culture of free exchange. As Tocqueville reminds us, habits of the heart, even more than the law itself, stand as our most important protections against tyranny. If Obama continues to break one free-speech taboo after another, the law will surely follow.

    So continued media silence on Obama’s intimidation tactics threatens not only the fairness of this election, but press freedom itself. Yet to defend the freedom of the right as if it were their own is something our left-leaning press has forgotten how to do.

    =========
    I am getting depressed. All the crap with hillary, then all of BOs true colors coming through more and more every day, the hillary stuff happening all over again with Sarah Palin, the dems on the hill getting us into this mess because they don’t want to give up freddie and frannie as their personal piggy banks, and now this about free speech being squashed, and guess what, its legal. and nobody is saying anything. Americans are going to wake up one day in jail because they coughed in king obama’s direction and wonder what the heck just happened, like they woke up to a housing crash and wondered what the heck happened, cause they can’t see what’s on the tip of their nose. This is just sick.

  210. Why don’t the family go to the newspapers or write a blog or write to Gretawire, Sean Hannity or others
    ——————————————
    I agree carby. That mother did not realize the kind of individual she was dealing with. Someone who betrays confidences and uses people for his own advantage and them throws them under the bus. I feel sorry for her. In the moment of truth he could not even remember her sons name.
    ——————————————————

    No doubt she’s been probably threatened like everyone else who says anything bad about Bambi
    ================
    probably. but remember too she lost her child, she just wanted someone to know his name, she didn’t want him used. I am so sad for her. She needs to talk though. Or the father does. People need to know about this. This needs to be plastered on every channel. Probably publicity though is the last thing that poor woman wants. She should have given it to McCain. He would have kept it to himself if she asked him to. That is one place I have to give credit to Bush, Lord knows you can’t in many other places. But he has always been incredibly good to the families of the fallen, he talks to them regularly, makes regular visits to Walter Reed, and does not talk about it to the press. I’m a military family once stationed in DC, so that’s how I know that. He walks in with the families and shuts the door. As it should be done.

  211. I hope everyone realises that Obama is going to challenge and recount absolutely everything he possible can, he is going to lie cheat and try and steal this election, i just hope its not close in enough states to do it.

    The republicans really need to get the hammer out right now.

  212. It wasnt the first time he did it, look.

    from all the way back in 2004, B. Hussein Obama was preaching the same mantra, that poor white folks cling to their religion and their guns because they are poor.

    experimentumcrucis.blogspot.com/2008/09/obamas-1st-and-2nd-ammendment-slips.html

  213. The elitist wing of the conservative movement have always been wary of us libertarians coming into the GOP. Sarah Palin is one of the top elected libertarian Republicans in the country, (along with Idaho’s Gov. Butch Otter, and Cong. Jeff Flake of AZ).

    Of course, she’s going to make some conservatives nervous.

    They are wary of her libertarian cultural views. This is the woman who famously fought back against social conservatives in Wasilla who wanted to run all of the bars and taverns out of town.

    But what she loses from the social conservatives, she gains 10 times over in libertarian votes.

    Figure, Libertarian Bob Barr was polling 6% nationwide in mid-summer, and post-Palin he’s now down to 1%.

    With Sarah Palin, the libertarian wing of the GOP has finally arrived. Of course, that’s going to make some other Republicans nervous.

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/09/if-its-about-ap.html

  214. Back Channels: Obama’s lowball attacks
    Suggesting that McCain is a bigot runs afoul of the high- minded “unity” tripe.
    By Kevin Ferris

    Inquirer Columnist

    What exactly is the change we’re supposed to believe in this election year?
    That Barack Obama represents a new kind of politics? Or is change tied to hope, as in we hope he re-morphs from typical negative-ad-slinging pol back to magical new Obamassiah once he’s safely elected president?

    Does Obama even know?

    In his ad “Plan for Change,” Obama decries the “petty attacks and distractions” of the campaign. “Bitter partisan fights” won’t solve our problems, he says. What will?

    “A new spirit of unity and shared responsibility.”

    That ad is in English.

    In Spanish, he has a very different message, one much closer to sleazy race-baiting than the spirit of la unidad.

    The intro to the ad talks about “insults” and “intolerance” toward Hispanics, how they’ve been “marginalized.” Inflammatory quotes from Rush Limbaugh are shown. And then, “John McCain and his Republican friends . . .”

    You know you’re in trouble when even ABC News and the Washington Post come to the defense of Limbaugh, and both have pointed out how Obama took the talk-show host’s quotes out of context.

    But John McCain intolerant toward Hispanics? Is there anyone in his party who has pushed back harder against anti-immigrant sentiment? Backing a comprehensive reform bill – cosponsored by Ted Kennedy – almost sank McCain’s presidential bid.

    Yes, he’s now putting a higher priority on border security, but is that the basis for suggesting the Arizona senator is a bigot? Interesting that McCain’s tolerance became suspect just as Gallup had him rising to 35 percent support among Hispanics.

    Is this what Obama means by a new spirit of unity?

    Obama also regularly complains that his opponents say he has a funny name – actually, he first brought this up in his 2004 Democratic convention speech, and he hasn’t shut up about it since.

    He says the other side suggests he doesn’t look like the other presidents on U.S. currency. McCain never mentions this, just Obama.

    Obama claims that “they” are trying to scare Americans by noting he’s black. Only he brings this up. And on other issues – spreading misinformation about McCain on Social Security – Obama is fine with scaring voters.

    There have been stupid moves by some conservatives; case in point the Obama Waffles served at a recent “values” summit. But most criticism about McCain and race is off base.

    Consider Time magazine’s accusation that McCain subtly played the race card with an ad criticizing former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines. The ad showed a picture of Obama and then Raines (who is black) and then a “vulnerable-looking elderly white woman.” All racial code, Time suggests, and then asks where were the shots of the white former Fannie Mae chairman, Jim Johnson, who was an Obama adviser? Well, as it turns out, Johnson was in the very next McCain ad on the subject.

    Time wasn’t so quick to rebuke Obama’s blatant and code-free “intolerance” ad.

    Sure, Obama is serious about winning. And sometimes race-baiting works. Look how John Street’s reelection campaign turned a City Hall corruption probe into a black mayor’s crusade against a white Justice Department. Never mind those indictments and jail terms.

    But by calling McCain a bigot, what signals is the Obama campaign sending about an Obama administration? If you’re against his tax policies, it’s because you think he has a funny name? Is opposition to his Iraq plan purely intolerance? If you think he’s wrong on immigration, is that simply code for racism?

    Does he really want to suggest that’s how he would govern?

    Racism and prejudice exist. But while attacking them with a broad partisan brush might score political points, it also worsens the fears and divisions among us. Often the accusations encompass so much – from individual attitudes to complex and difficult issues such as housing, education and health care – that no real solution is even possible.

    And maybe that’s the intent. Don’t actually solve anything. Just keep the issue alive as a societal scab to pick as needed.

    That way, the intolerant “they” – Rush equals Republicans equals conservatives equals McCain – are forever guilty until proved innocent. And guess what? There’s no way to prove innocence – though temporary absolution might be possible if you vote for Obama.

    Is that the point of an Obama campaign? To elect the first victim-in-chief and indict the opposition as bigots when the polls are close or when he doesn’t get his way?

    Perhaps that’s change, but it’s not unifying or responsible.

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/29853164.html

  215. Funny you should mention Butch Otter. He is another character. Was married to a Simplot–potatoe baron. After the divorce he won the Mister Tight Jeans contest–a rather obvious play for a certain segment of the electorate.

  216. more comments on Kathleen Parker “hit piece” on Sarah Palin:

    Subject: Sarah Stays
    Sarah Palin should stay and must stay and America will be the better for it. And the reason comes down to two words we don’t talk about; yet words so crucial each person entering the White House takes the oath to fulfill them: “faithfully execute.” In each position of public responsibility she’s has faithfully executed the office. She’s successfully administered — thus has the skill set needed in the job ahead. But importantly she’s done so in faith with her core beliefs. Let’s be honest: She’s only been in the public eye a month and yet we already have an idea how she would approach any task in her inbox. After 18 months, do we really, truly know how Obama would administer anything? No.
    Meanwhile, you’re making a big point about her TV interviews while missing the real point to be learned about her TV interviews. She went straight into the fire. She didn’t play softball with Larry King, she didn’t bake cookies with Martha, she didn’t trade jokes with Jay. Her first two network interviews were with people hostile to her very existence as a conservative woman, and clearly determined to rip her down. How she did is debatable…THAT she did is crucial. That she did so with grace and wit says more about her fitness than whether she’s got every answer to every loaded question.
    Does she have the smarts? Yes. Does she have the integrity? Yes. Does she have the skill set necessary to administer the Executive Branch? Yes. Does she have the grit to attack problems rather than let them fester? Yes. Does she have the tenacity to work and solve the problems once engaged? Yes. Does she have core principles and beliefs to guide her? Yes. Does she have an expertise in an area of national concern? Yes.
    Yeah. She’ll learn what she needs to learn. Question is, will the media?

    townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem?page=full&comments=true#comments

  217. CHECK OUT therealbarackobama wordpress.com site (formely Rezkowatch) and read (B Merryfields?)brilliance : Rezko finally warbling….alot…..

    Then go onto the info regarding the other players in the Obama- Davidson and Klonsky along with the Obama-Ayers-Dohrn circle of Marxism and the intertwinings of groundwork laid long ago to “take over this country” with socialism and communism…

    This is one site that needs to be front and center of every FOXNEWS show IMHO…we don’t have time left for info like this to be “under the radar” – better, this kind of information should be on every superhighway of media info (impossible with Big Media).

    Email that informative site to everyone you know.

    Oh yeah…..and how about the pot smoking going on behind the scenes with The One? Along with all the Police State tactics being incorporated in MO?

    CHECK OUT Citizen Wells on a daily basis as well……….

    Email CW to everyone you know as well……….

    Time for Ibuprofen…..headaches abound……better than scotch?

  218. Got this from RD (but the title of the blog is misleading — you have to read the article to figure out it is sarcastic. Go Figure.) Call the MO bar and get these nincompoops out.

    The prosecutors in MO (who are state employees) may be prohibited from obeying Obama’s orders under MO state law. They should be investigated by the bar and sanctioned. They should also be removed from their jobs because as attorneys they should know that what they are doing is unethical and an abuse of their position.

    If you would like to join Angie in registering a complaint about these prosecutors, here is the contact info for the MO bar:

    The Missouri Bar PO Box 119 Jefferson City, MO 65102
    Phone: 573-635-4128| FAX: 573-635-2811

  219. Thought you all might be interested to read this:

    Watching the debate in deep blue territory
    A.M. Mora y Leon
    I saw something interesting at a very blue beachfront LA community last night. I signed up for a debate-watching party with a Republican household — if anything just to see what kind of Republicans would show up to such an event out in bluest Los Angeles. There were about 25 people there and it was really cordial. There were some of the usual suspects you might expect from the region — military men, East Asians and Boeing engineers, for example. But the most striking thing to me was the PUMA count — about six of them, all youthful Hillary supporters furious at Obama, including one African American woman from another blue city. They were PR and Hollywood screenwriter types. We were all nice to the PUMAS and told them they were welcome in our party.

    The PUMAs told their story and it really surprised me: they said that during the caucuses, their delegates were bullied and cheated by the Axelrod people of the Obama camp and that was enough to steal the election from Hillary. But it also alienated them from the party and drove them to McCain. They were very pleased when Sarah Palin made her first acknowledgement upon nomination to Hillary.

    They said that during the primaries, Obama delegates at the Texas caucus (I think) got told to go right in and do the caucus, while Hillary delegates got told to sign on the dotted line and leave. Some knew there was foul play afoot and fought it, but in the end, they were all railroaded by the Obamatons. They have a couple of web sites, and they insisted the election was stolen from them because other primary states with conventional primaries showed Hillary victories and only the caucus states were decisively Obama.

    Maybe this is familiar to you but it was an eye opener to me. This PUMA thing may be a bit stronger than I first estimated, due to Obama fraud. I’m really glad the PUMAs said they were comfortable with Sarah. They also said they thought Obama was a trash-talking sexist, aggressive and creepy to Palin — an undercurrent I detected a couple weeks ago during the lipstick pig thing.

    FWIW — it was a great evening and I laughed hardest when Bambi listened to McCain’s intense spiel on Ukraine and utterly dumbfounded, could only say ‘I agree with Senator McCain.’

    But there were a lot of laughs in this one. Although McCain got a slow start, he got his footing fairly soon into it and I think he won.

  220. From townhall comment section:

    Subject: No Way
    The thing about these crises and the media is they blow through quickly like a summer monsoon in the desert.

    Sarah Palin doesn’t know what to do to solve the financial crisis. Here’s some news: either do I. I KNOW Obama doesn’t. McCain knows more than he lets on. Financial stuff doesn’t particularly concern him. Cindy is the CEO in the family. She knows the story.

    I live in Phoenix and I can tell you the beer empire Cindy controls is gargantuan. She is clearly the candidate spouse most qualified to be CFO.

    Sarah isn’t going anywhere.

    She is a hot commodity in America. If you doubt it, listen to Hugh Hewitt’s radio show on SRN across the country. Hugh has been taking calls only from first-time women callers ever since Sarah was announced.

    And Hugh isn’t like Rush. Hugh takes LOTS of calls each hour. He says the flood of women callers – each one of them solidly supportive of Sarah – shows no sign of slowing down.

    Forget the media babbling. Sarah connects with America.

    townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem?page=full&comments=true#comments
    *****************************************************
    The comment section on Republican blogs are strong for Sarah Palin and they HATE the elite Beltway conservatives..hate them. They want Sarah in there because they are tired of being talked down too and dismissed.

  221. Wow Carby, lots of good articles on that. You’re cheering me up. LOL! I could still go for that scotch mentioned further above though.

  222. In the criminal justice system there is a certain kind of prosecutor who is much to be feared–one with political aspirations and no sense of ethics. There is an old saying among defense lawyers that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if he or she wanted to. One of the great trial lawers of the early twentieth century New York was heard to say: I could never be a prosector–they have a taste for blood. Most of them I have known are outstanding people. But a few of them have had the moral scruples of Bambi–and those are the ones to be very leary of. I still think the power of the First Amendment is such that this truth squad stuff is strictly verbotten. The leading libel case in the area was–and probably still is New York Times vs Sullivan which makes it next to impossible for a public figure (like Bambi) to sue for libel. And this year the Washington State Supreme Court found that lies perpetrated in a policitical campaign are not actionable. The latter is not binding on other states, but is surely persuasive authority. I may call the Missouri Bar Association and cite those two cases as proof that what Bambi is trying to do is unlawful and un-American. BTW: Britain is plaintiff friendly on libel cases because Britain has no First Amendment which protects free speech.

    From memory: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peacefully to assemble and petition the govenment for a redress of grievances. (First Amendment, United Stated Consititution).

  223. More Townhall comments:

    Subject: We Republicans need to remember..

    We have our own little elite section of conservatives (Parker and Charles Krauthammer) that do help translate what the flaming liberals on the washington cocktail circuit are saying. While these folks serve their function well they are still the elite and have no understanding that doers like Gov Palin are far more in demand than the soaring rhetoric of an empty suit like Obama. Krauthammer and Parker, even though conservative have no more clue than the typical north eastern liberal that this country has a thirst for politicians to Govern and not just be concerned if they showed their IVY league debating skills off lately.

    For an example of what the country needs, one can go back to the civil war and note that while president Lincoln was a skilled atty, it was his plain speaking, (Mccain and Palin like), decision making, and willingness to let his skill generals Sherman and Grant do their thing that won the day. Remember also from the civil war it was Edward Everett, that was the one with the soaring rhetoric for 2 hours, but it was Lincoln in everyday words, that spoke just 10 sentences after Everett that everybody remembers now as the famous Gettysburg address. Big Ideas can come from little words, and Gov Palin’s state college education is more likely to fill my gas tank for a cheaper price than Obama’s lofty rhetoric. I’ll take the deal maker that doesn’t cave to either side, like for example between oil and extreme environmentalist, over the ivory tower elites anyday.

  224. Lin67 Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
    Wow Carby, lots of good articles on that. You’re cheering me up. LOL! I could still go for that scotch mentioned further above though.
    *****************************************************
    Lin67,

    I’m posting the “We the People” comments, since the media is so in the tank for Obama. Conservative Kathleen Parker is getting “hammered” under her article and it is eye opening to me to see what “real” conservatives think about her and those in the media like her.

  225. How about reports of the pot smoking going on at Obama campaign stops after the crowds leave? Seems they have a spy among them….hmmm….love it….speaking of Youtube….what a wonderful vision that would create…..n’est pas? Sure, would ingratiate them to the lelft-leaning Dims, but would certainly do wonders for the Indys who detest double standards and LIES…..

    Citizen Wells…Sept 26-27

  226. Soaring rhetoric and minimal accomplishments. His record is bare as a goats ass and long as a whores dream. And in the absense of a credible track record it is irrational to conclude that he will deliver on what he promises. The fact that the promises change minute by minute is another problem.

  227. wbboei Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    —————————

    Isn’t the suppression rather than a full court battle the real goal here for Bambi crowd? They want to intimidate and silence dissent even before someone (powerful) challenges them on it.

  228. The idea of having Palin do local media and conservative radio interviews is a good one. Not sure why they haven’t acted on it.

  229. wbboei,

    BHO’s record is bare so he said he talked about the future. when McCain talk about his record, bho accused him of talking about the past.

  230. THIS IS THE WORST COLUMN ON TH, EVER!
    In this article I see the hatred and scorn of the feminist for the traditional women who makes it on her own. The only thing a feminists hates more than a strong man is a strong traditional women.

    For somebody with so little experience Palin is running circles around Biden. On both tickets you will have one candidate doing some OJT. At least on the Republican ticket it’s the Vice President not the President.

    Parker, for the good of Townhall why don’t you start writing columns for the Daily Kos.

    townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem?page=full&comments=true#comments

  231. In a post-election environment when McCain becomes the 44th President of the United States, what will Obama do to remain in the limelight? What will be do to create chaos and subterfuge? How many times will he incite rioting and unrest? What is the endgame here?

  232. I’ve been reading on other blogs, that BO is taking all the credit for pulling together the bailout bill, and Kerry is saying the same thing on talk shows. They are saying that McCain did nothing. Have other people been hearing this?

  233. first of all..everybody relax

    Palin will do just fine. you guys are listening to the msm and acting like what they say is real. did you forget that this very same msm is the one that beat the hell out of Hillary?
    You’re buying into the hype…don’t go there.

    We know she’s new to the BM circus, we know they are trying to find her weaknesses.

    Who’s talking about her strengths?? I’m hard pressed to find anything good about her lately…so does that mean she’s not?

    Sarah Palin is nobody’s fool…hell first of all she’s a governor that beat out one of the ‘good ole boys’ she knows they will use whatever they can to destroy her.

    Second she’s a gun toting, bible hugging rural American

    oh and did I mention…SHE’S A WOMAN….(take that BHO)

    Have faith my friends.

  234. neetabug Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    I thought people in government could not be political?

    surely you jest…. lol

  235. I saw Michelle Cottle today — what a really nasty human being.

    She wrote a post-campaign Hillary article called, “What Went Wrong”. The number 1,2,3 things were 1. Patti 2. Solis 3. Doyle. And Joe is now stuck with her. Wasn’t that a great decision from BO. Making sure that Biden doesn’t overshadow him.

    What a leader!! He couldn’t deal with Hill because Bill would be there. Can’t take advice from Joe.
    Want to bet who he would pick for his cabinet??

  236. carbynew,
    Yeah, we all know the media is in the tank for BO. And there are conservative elites just like their liberal counterparts who are snobs. But my problem with Palin is her giving them any ammo to use against her. I saw the Couric interview & her mini press conference outside the WTC site. In both instances she didn’t come across like she had a grasp of the issues. She doesn’t have to use fancy language. Hillary and Bill are supersmart. They went to the best schools. Big dawg was a Rhodes scholar. But they always spoke in a way so regular people like us could understand them. Still it was obvious they knew what they were talking about. With Sarah I haven’t gotten that feeling. When Katie Couric asked her a simple question- like has she ever been involved in negotiations with Russia?- she didn’t have to give a long complicated answer. But she should give a coherent answer. Hopefully whatever the problem is can be corrected in time for the debate. Gov Palin seems like a nice woman. Most decent people, even if they don’t plan on voting for the republican ticket, don’t want to see her get embarrassed.

  237. Isn’t the suppression rather than a full court battle the real goal here for Bambi crowd? They want to intimidate and silence dissent even before someone (powerful) challenges them on it.
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    Of course it is. And that is why someone with constiutional law credentials needs to be talking about this. A dicussion of this nature would lay bare his attempt to intimidate and silence dissent and the unconstitutional nature of such actions. This is a clear indication of how he would govern.

  238. nikki22 Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    ======

    Any chance the media is showing you what they want you to see, thereby formulating the opinion you just gave??

  239. carbynew Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
    more comments on Kathleen Parker “hit piece” on Sarah Palin:

    Subject: Sarah Stays

    **************

    carby, thanks for posting this, such great points, and i intend to use em……………….

  240. bambi was a zero in this bailout package, he supported the prior deal with all the pork and no oversight and kerry has the moral scruples of an alley cat.

  241. wbboei,

    BHO’s record is bare so he said he talked about the future. when McCain talk about his record, bho accused him of talking about the past.
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    His argument fails for lack of proof. There is no proof he can do what he says. This bailout package was fashioned not because of him but inspite of him.

  242. nikki22 Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I think Sarah is fine and quite frankly, each time I have heard her speak, in full, she has done well.

  243. I think Sarah is fine and quite frankly, each time I have heard her speak, in full, she has done well
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    If so then msm has erred by setting the bar so low

  244. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    When they ask Palin the name of some foreign bad guy, she should say “Rezko.”
    ************************

    I would answer Obama

  245. I am in a quandry’

    If you were mccain would you tell him he is full of shit when he tries to take credit for this bailout.

    Or would you let him say that, point out what this situation was caused by his cronies, the cost the bailout to the American taxpayer and focus on what he (McCain) did to stop the pior bill which was designed to reward bambi cronies and screw taxpayers.

    Kerry reminds me of Mr. Ed–the talking horse (‘s ass).

  246. The wall street elites are scared to death that they will end up with a president who repesents main street rather than a puppet they control.

  247. wbboei: I don’t think bzero had anything to do with the bailout package, considering he was for the original package. If the Republicans and McCain had not said, “No,” the taxpayers would have been saddled with the pork ladened original package. Apparently, ACORN is not part of the package, at least not at the present time. There is more oversight now. What a corrupt system. ACORN is actually part of the problem. I agree with your assessment of Kerry. I heard him lie so often and so much about Senator Clinton, that I was thoroughly disgusted with him.

  248. birdgal Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    ACORN is actually part of the problem.

    ————-

    Actually it is Housing and Community Development Act of 1992 that set the stage for ACORN

  249. wbboei Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    can you explain your reasoning?
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    she doesn to have to win the debate. All she needs to do is exceed expectations. That is a doable propostition. She needs to listen carefully to the questions, be responsive in her answers, clarify broad question (usually a set up), beware of misqoutes to force concessions, be clear on the separation between privately held beliefs and public actions, show a general command of national issues and a specific knowledge of Alaska issues especially in the areas of alleged scandals. There will be one or two questions that the bot dems will try to marry up the answers with disclosures at a later time. Preparation.

  250. bzero definitely had nothing to do with it, as a matter of fact he is the one that totally blew up that meeting last week. Some believe that the dems actually believed McCain was going to tell the repubs to sign the deal, and when he sided with the repubs they were knocked off their game. Obama blew it big time. And it took insiders in that room to leak that, Paulson asked everyone not to talk about what happened. So the dems came out trying everything to cover up the truth, blaming it on McCain when it wasn’t. Obama couldn’t even lead when the dems in the room handed him the platform, how is he suppose to reach across the aisle to get things done. Don’t forget they also tried to give him credit for Russia pulling out of Georgia (Kahn, I am glad the Russian’s listened to Senator Obama and are pulling out) even though they said they were and weren’t, then they tried to give him credit for Iraq, saying Bush was finally listening to him when the surge was working and it was Patreus who said its time to start pulling troops back because we don’t need them anymore. BO had as much to do with the bailout plan as he did those other two things, nothing. I just hope enough American’s see him for the fraud he is.

  251. The other thing she has to do is watch out for Bidden misquoting her. That is a trick he is famous for. Exactly what Charlie Gibson did with the “exact words” thing when he actually pulled it completely out of context. And this time instead of saying I don’t think I said that, say I did not say that this is what I said.

  252. I understand what you are saying but I don’t see the correlation of of how gonzotx’s comment about Palin doing well and msm lowering the bar?

  253. I think Sarah is fine and quite frankly, each time I have heard her speak, in full, she has done well
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    If so then msm has erred by setting the bar so low
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    Debbie: sorry if I was not clear. If seeing is believing then the better she does in the debate the more she repudiates the meme of big media that she is unqualified and should step down. All candidates worry when the bar for their performance is set artifically high because even if they do well it is adjudged to be not good enough–so they always try to lower expectations. In Saras case big media has been rabid and if she can do well people will be less likely to defer to their opinions in the future–wiht the caveats above.

  254. Its all a game because we all know Gov. Palin is so far much better of a choice compared with Sen. Biden but the media wants us to focus on Gov. Palin instead of the embarrasing pick of Sen. Biden. Sen. Biden has made so many gaffes yet we don’t quite see the media attacking him for his inconsistency.

  255. I think Biden was a great pic, despite the fact that he’s a gaffe a minute. In fact, if Biden were the dem presidential nominee, I’d vote for him.

    I wouldn’t vote for Palin at the top of a ticket for (one of) the same reasons I wouldn’t vote for Obama…just not ready. Period. But these are unusual times… I can’t vote for Obama, and I’m convinced that McCain is ready to be POTUS and a man of character (think Plain is a woman of character, by the way).

    So…whatcha gonna do?

  256. wbboei Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Got it…I’ve either had too much coffe or not enough
    ========
    idunn

    NObama, NOvember

  257. Idunn, I think Biden was a terrible choice, now if he was the nominee that’s not to say I wouldn’t vote for him but given he’s the vice president goes everything Obama said he was against only goes to show the inconsistency of Obamas with his message of change, change, and change.

  258. given he’s the vice president goes everything Obama said he was against only goes to show the inconsistency of Obamas with his message of change, change, and change.

    Can’t argue with you on that score.

  259. IDunn — we have decided, because Bush is a dunce, that the media should give candidates tests to prove or disprove their fitness.

    The problem with that is the tests are filled with trick gotcha questions and can be memorized. It tells us nothing about what someone would do when something big and unexpected turns up. It tells us nothing about who has the character to resist corruption and think of the public good.

    What we know about Sarah is she has met all the challenges she has faced and I think that makes her more qualified than most.

    Amazing that there was almost no squawking when Spiro Agnew, gov of MD, was chosen. He turned out to be corrupt but nobody cared that he had little experience and not much knowledge. And nobody yelled about John Edwards, a one-term Senator.

    I think Sarah is more like Truman — he knew little but got us through.

  260. BHO has had 19 months with the media and advisors..
    does anyone remember what HE was like a month old?

    give me a break

    if Sarah Palin had that much time, by now I’d think she’d qualify for the top of the ticket!

    do you guys remember how the media never vetted BHO? The guy got plenty of time to learn the ropes with Axelrod (an insider media specialist)

    now in the span of 30 days you expect the governor of Alaska to know all the nuances of every single piece of American history, politics and policy?

    so you sell her short because the likes of Gibson and Couric pulled a fast one?

    damn you guys make me mad

  261. feckles, I agree, I think there’s not enough credit given to Palin, then again she is fairly new to the scene (compared with Obama who has been around long enough for us to “invesigate” him)

  262. Anyone else see Kucinich on Fox News? He’s RAILING against the bailout? Some of his complaints involved typical bashing of “trickle-down” concepts but some of them actually made a lot of sense.

  263. Arrogant c^^^

    WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Sunday his Republican rival deserves no credit for helping to forge a tentative agreement on the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.

    Instead, Obama said he deserves credit for making sure the proposal includes safeguards for taxpayers. Obama said he is inclined to support the bailout because it includes increased oversight, relief for homeowners facing foreclosure and limits on executive compensation for chief executives of firms that receive government help.

  264. a facial, some flowers and salmon…oh my!

    and they pay people to find this out?
    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics

  265. debbie Says:
    September 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    a facial, some flowers and salmon…oh my!
    ————————

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if they did a similar article on Bambi or Biden? more importantly Bambi.

  266. Moon: BO is so hypocritical. McCain has always wanted more oversight. BO was willing to sign the bill as is. I loathe him.

  267. I forgot, McCain has always wanted limits on executive compensation for chief executives. He steals everything, from everyone.

  268. I HATE this friggin polls! Gallup – BO 50, JM 42.
    I’m afraid it will be just as easy for BO to win the GE is it was for him to rig the primaries.

    My only consolation is thinking about BM suddenly find it’s censored
    when they attempt to say anything contrary to the BO doctrine.

    Anyone else worried?

  269. basil, seriously pay no attention to polls now, they are all being manipulated, i’ve been looking at these indepth for a while now, they are as rigged as they were in the primaries.

  270. birdgal Says:

    September 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    I’ve been reading on other blogs, that BO is taking all the credit for pulling together the bailout bill, and Kerry is saying the same thing on talk shows. They are saying that McCain did nothing. Have other people been hearing this?
    *****************************************************
    Yeah, I had a long talk with my daughter about this…she has drunk the KOOL-AID. I explained to her that this Fannie/Freddi mess is the fault of the Democrats and Enron was the fault of the Republicans.

  271. thehill.com/leading-the-news/lieberman-says-mccain-was-important-to-financial-deal-2008-09-28.html

    Lieberman: McCain ‘important’ to financial deal
    Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Sunday that Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s decision to come off the campaign trail and return to Washington was instrumental to the bipartisan compromise addressing the financial crisis that was forged over the weekend.
    Lieberman, the Connecticut independent and 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate, said McCain showed “characteristic guts” in making the decision to temporarily suspend his campaign last week as Congress contemplated a $700 billion bailout plan for Wall Street.

    “I honestly don’t think that this would had have happened as timely as it did if Sen. McCain had not come back and been a bridgebuilder,” Lieberman said to reporters on a conference call Sunday afternoon.

    Democrats have blasted McCain’s involvement on Capitol Hill, attacking the Arizona Republican for injecting presidential politics into tense negotiations.

    McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said on the call that McCain’s staff was reviewing the preliminary legislative language that began circulating Sunday, and if the final product contains the provisions McCain has argued for then “he’s happy to support the legislation.”

    Holtz-Eakin did not say whether McCain would be in Washington to vote for the bill.

    Some Democrats criticized McCain’s return to Washington after Friday night’s debate, noting that he has not actually been a presence on Capitol Hill as the deal was brokered.

    Lieberman defended McCain’s return, saying the Arizona Republican made 17 phone calls on Saturday to congressional leaders, President Bush and administration officials including Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

  272. So, if McCain wasn’t a presence on Capitol Hill, and BO was on the campaign trail and manning the phones, then how is the great pretender responsible for the bipartisan support???? I think, the Republicans blew the whistle on the potential for a very, very bad bailout bill. If they hadn’t, then there would be no oversight, no limit on executive compensation, and public funds for the radical ACORN organization (especially, since they do not separate the housing funds from their voter registration efforts).

    McCain has been calling for more oversight and limits on executive compensation. What has BO been calling for? Funds for ACORN?

  273. I hope the Republicans take their GOTV seriously…my son had one of his friend try to get me to change my mind…they had to hang up after pulling the race card, the gender card and the sexist card on me…..I torn through them with facts and they give me talking points.

    But that did show me that the Dems are going down in the mud and will lie, cheat and steal to get power away from the Republicans….and I don’t think GWB cares if McCain wins or not.

  274. I don’t trust the polls right now…and won’t for the rest of the campaign…I’ll will use them as pr and marketing but we know the private polls say different things.

  275. I have been 110% for the Bill and Hill, but I do not think that my good opinion of them can withstand 30+ more days of them kissing nObama’s a$$! Each as individuals and both coupled have gone FAR above and beyond the pale of adequately supporting the party’s selected nominee.They are smarter than that. I have excused them so far by knowing that they are under duress, but it is time they either be quiet and unavailable on the BO subject or they put country before party. There is an alphabetical list of people and actions that anyone with half a brain would see as nObama taking this country down the tubes; we will become a police state and our youngest children will be marching in Farrankan’s army if nObama steals this general election. I am very afraid and feel so hopeless and helpless even though I have worked, keyed, and talked myself blue in the face trying to work against the selection of nObama.

    Please Hill and Bill, give us a little Country First for a change.

  276. Is it just me, or do others not see the new article up? In fact this article still shows 227 comments, when really more like 360+? What’s up I wonder?

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