Something For Nothing

Update: Tonight’s debate at 9:00 p.m. (EST) will be webcast at the following websites:

http://c-span.com/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-campaign-coverage

http://www.weta.org/video/webcasts

http://www.npr.org/stations/index.php?ps=st1

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From us a vote of NO CONFIDENCE.

There is long history of Republican deregulation mania, Republicans protecting CEOs of companies who lavished themselves with salaries and warrants and options. Republicans have long been economic hypocrites providing socialist protections and socialism with a compassionate face – for the wealthy. For the poor and the middle class the Republicans preached shark capitalism – with a smile.

Dimocrats, we can no longer bear to call them Democrats, preached fairness economics but luxuriated in various schemes which amount to a culture of corruption. Lift the rock, find the snakes.

No rock covered more snakes than the Chicago rock. The Rezko assisted mortgage, the freezing tenants, Jim Johnson, Michelle’s miraculous salary increases, are more than echoes of the Dodd and Conrad special favors from Countrywide Financial.

Special favors are Obama’s specialty. What other candidate has ever received delegates from a primary he was not even a candidate in? What other candidate has ever received delegates won by another candidate in a primary he was not even a candidate in. Special favors.

The American taxpayer is going to learn what Obama’s freezing constituents learned:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

We know something must be done, and rapidly, about the current economic crisis. But we are voting NO CONFIDENCE in the various schemes and players. The Republicans have been historically wrong in their views about how to organize a modern society. But the Dimocratic corruption informs us that the American people are going to get shafted in whatever happens.

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Back in March 2008, Hillary was lambasted by Obama and his Big Media masters. Hillary was once again seeing well ahead, and preparing for what needed to be done.

Of the three presidential candidates, Clinton’s fix is the most aggressive — the biggest bailout, if you will. That makes it the most offensive to those who believe the solution to artificially inflated housing prices is, yes, a period of declining housing prices. Instead, she says the government should get ready to start buying mortgages: “… I believe the Federal Housing Administration should also stand ready to be a temporary buyer — to purchase, restructure, and resell underwater mortgages.”

She also proposes a freeze on foreclosures and a $30-billion fund so that cities and states can start buying foreclosed and “distressed” properties for possible resale or rent (Imagine the bungling, the fraud, and the favoritism, if the city of Los Angeles — which can’t even keep track of foreclosed houses — gets a pile of federal money to start buying them).

The headline-grabber was the suggestion that the president assemble a group of economic geniuses — an “emergency working group on foreclosure.” She suggested, evidently with a straight face, that the group would be led by “nonpartisan” economic leaders like former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. [snip]

Clinton manages to acknowledge that reckless borrowers bear some responsibility for the housing mess, but can’t bring herself to call it what it is: the inevitable unwinding of a bubble of unsustainably high prices and disastrous lending against those prices.

Back in March Hillary was sounding a warning and making strong proposals. Big Media and oaf Obama did their usual frat-house guffaws and ridicule.

Before the Ohio and Texas primaries on March 4 Obama offered his “cure”.

Economists question whether Obama’s $10-billion “foreclosure prevention fund” would cover the thousands of Americans who already have lost homes and the thousands more who are in danger.

“It’s a drop in the bucket,” Bivens said. Clinton echoed that skepticism Wednesday, saying that Obama’s plan was a “half-hearted attempt. You can’t have a real plan to stop foreclosures if all you’re helping is the banks.”

Obama was above his pay grade once again. Hillary Clinton was on the job, looking ahead. During the primaries the Democratic Party had a choice in selecting a leader.

Hillary offered solutions, Obama offered feel-good counseling.

He would create a huge program to counsel homeowners facing foreclosure, pay transaction costs for people forced to sell homes, and “partner with state governments, community organizations and loan providers” to modify mortgages. [snip]

Much of the $10 billion would probably go to agencies, government employees and other middlemen, not homeowners.

Obama doesn’t fall into the trap of proposing sweeping modification of already-issued mortgages, which would be hard to implement and send the message that contracts are basically optional.

Hillary Clinton does, and she raises the possibility of forcing it on Wall Street. She has asked lenders to voluntarily stop foreclosing on homes for three months and freeze adjustable-rate mortgages for five years. But if the banks balk, “Hillary will propose legislation to tackle the problems in the housing market head-on,” says her Web site.

Obama incense burners will say “so what, the primaries are over”. Once again, Hillary Clinton answers for us:

“What this crisis is at bottom is a total loss of trust,” Senator Hillary Clinton told Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on the MSNBC Morning Joe show Tuesday. “People don’t believe what they are being told, Americans have no reason to believe either their government or the Wall Street banks, banks don’t believe each other, they don’t know how to value the assets that they hold or that they’ve sold, so we need to take a deep breath here. And I think that’ s what secretary Paulson was trying to do.”

“But there has to be some checks and balances. We can’t just turn over $700 billion. We need to have an ability to rewrite these mortgages, we need to begin to rein in the excesses on Wall Street and in the marketplace, and we need to do it in a way that will get our economy up and moving again.”

Words matter. Trust matters. We trust Hillary. We don’t trust Obama. McCain? We don’t trust McCain either but it is possible that the maverick will start kicking against Republican policies and philosophies that have failed. McCain should take a page from Hillary:

Citing the success of FDR’s administration in the 1930s as a model, she said America once again requires solutions that can create a framework that addresses both conservative and progressive concerns.

“We established back in the 1930s under incredibly severe economic conditions the framework for regulation that frankly made our market the envy of the world because we had regulation, but we didn’t in any way constrain the marketplace, so we had unprecedented growth for all of those decades.”

“Well, we’re in a new global economy now and we haven’t kept up with what is needed for a regulatory framework to try to make sure we rein in the excesses and the abuses.”

“Human nature being what it is, people are going to test the limits,” of any system, she indicated, which is what we have seen. “Let’s get together, recognize that we need new frameworks that keep people from abusing either the public trust or the private trust.”

There will be a debate tonight on foreign policy. However, most likely the debate will be dominated by the economic crisis.

For Americans the economic crisis is small change. For most Americans what grates is the moral bankruptcy of Obama and the Dimocrats and the philosophical bankruptcy of the Republicans.

There is a plucky blond lady called Hillary Clinton talking sense and showing us the way out of the mess we are in. FDR showed us the way out of the mess we were in and Hillary is reading from the FDR playbook. But tonight Hillary will not be in Mississippi to show the way.

Tonight Obama and McCain will debate.

McCain needs to address the issue of trust and why he can be trusted.

Obama? Obama wants our votes. But we are not giving something for nothing.

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525 thoughts on “Something For Nothing

  1. I like Hillary Clinton plan…but I don’t see the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY using that PLAN. THEY HAVE KICKED HILLARY TO THE CURB.

    Now if the Republicans start to adopt the plan and incorporate it with their ideas it might work…but I See the DEMS being the ones who are the one ignoring Hillary Clinton.

    Chris Dodd and the rest of those bums make me sick!!! ACORN getting 20%…c’mon that a slush fund. HELL NO!

  2. Obama? Obama wants our votes. But we are not giving something for nothing.
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    Obamba can not be trusted. He will NEVER get my vote. I will be voting McCain as Hillary is not an option.

  3. I do like some of the ideas being floated by the republicans i the
    Paulson-Cantor Plan. I like the bond issue, the reduce amount and a focus on mortgages, instead of all bad paper.

    I do think these banks need to do what they need to do or they will fail in the process. Most workers have been involved in downturns in their market segment and for the weak banks not to reduce their risk is just amazing to me.

  4. The Dems are talking about a bailout bill before or during tonight debate…Nancy Pelosi is up for reelection in November.

  5. I do not trust Obama and his DNC enablers, period. I am not crazy about the Repubs either, but at least they are more likely to leave my damn wallet alone. I would trust Bill’s hand in my wallet, because he might do some good. I would trust Hill’s hand in my wallet, because she would do some good, without robbing me blind. But the rest of those DNC clowns can go suck an egg. Here are my choices this year:

    a) A party who wants to brutally screw me (the Repubs)

    b) A party who wants to brutally screw me, and also expects me to pick up the tab for dinner beforehand and the taxi after. (the Dems)

    Sorry, but option (a) is a much better deal to this taxpayer.

  6. I hope Obama is thrown a curve tonight. His camp has him prepared for the first 15 minutes to be about the economy and has given him zingers and all. Hopefully the moderators know this and hold back questions of the economy for a while.

  7. Godspeed John McCain, God bless the American citizens, and God save our country.

    And to think, we could have had Hillary.

  8. rjk1957 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    I hope Obama is thrown a curve tonight. His camp has him prepared for the first 15 minutes to be about the economy and has given him zingers and all. Hopefully the moderators know this and hold back questions of the economy for a while.
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    you know he has the ?’s already, i am sure of it

  9. I will be watching and judging the debate moderators even more closely than the candidates; fairness, balance, and equal time but not unlimited time for nObama who tends to ramble is what I expect, nothing less will be acceptable. No Gotcha questions.

  10. Well, I hope it is like that old I Love Lucy episode where Lucy is going on a game show and steals the question and answers only to have the show decide to use different questions. Could be good for a few laughs.

  11. Fox saying that they have been told Obama is ready with numbers and zingers for tonight.

    How hard is it to get ready if you have been fed the answers before hand?

    Just once I would like a fair debate.

  12. Credit Swaps Must Be Regulated Now, SEC’s Cox Says (Update4)

    By Jesse Westbrook and David Scheer

    Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) — U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox said Congress should “immediately” grant authority to regulate credit-default swaps amid concern the bets are fueling the global financial crisis.

    “Neither the SEC nor any regulator has authority over the CDS market, even to require minimal disclosure,” Cox told the Senate Banking Committee today at a hearing on the government’s $700 billion financial rescue plan. Lawmakers should provide the authority “to enhance investor protection and ensure the operation of fair and orderly markets,” he said.

    Calls for greater regulation of the $62 trillion market have grown since the U.S. took over American International Group Inc. Sept. 16 and gave the New York-based insurer an $85 billion loan to cover obligations at a unit that sold protection on securities through credit-default swaps. The AIG subsidiary was required to post collateral against more than $400 billion of contracts after its credit rating was downgraded.

    The SEC is concerned investors may seek to profit by spreading false information or making trades designed to drive down financial stocks during the credit crisis that has re- shaped Wall Street. The agency is demanding hedge-fund managers, brokerages and institutional investors describe in sworn statements their bets on the companies, including trades in credit-default swaps, the regulator said Sept. 19

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ajXNMd45_cio&refer=us

  13. and without a television monitor these zingers will lose their zap…lots of um…oh…um…let me check my crib notes.

  14. Okay I get it now. The media keeps postulating back and forth until they are red in the face. They presume to think they know how the people think and work towards subliminal brainwashing to force their view on main street. Their records for being right is an abysmal one. In essence, prolonged viewing of this menace is hazardous to the health. We must cease and desist.

  15. US financial markets had been swooning for a year as Cox gave his computer lesson. Commercial and investment banks had suffered more than $500 billion in losses and writedowns related to the sale of mortgage-backed securities. Financial stocks were reeling, with Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc at risk of following Bear Stearns Cos into extinction.

    Missing in Action: Yet former SEC officials and members of Congress say throughout the tumult in the banks and markets, Cox, a Harvard University-trained lawyer, has often been missing in action.

    “Cox just hasn’t done anything except for XBRL,” says Peter Wallison, who supervised the SEC chairman when he worked in the White House counsel’s office under President Ronald Reagan. “It perfectly encapsulates what Chris Cox’s chairmanship has been: exceedingly cautious, a chairmanship which seemed to take as many steps as possible to avoid controversy that would result in pushback by anyone.”

    Wallison is now a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, which advocates for limited regulation of financial markets. Cox was hardly part of the conversation when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson stepped in last March and arranged for JPMorgan Chase & Co to rescue Bear Stearns from collapse, according to people familiar with the matter at the Treasury, Fed and SEC.

    The Birthday Party: On the night of March 15, when Fed and Treasury officials were hammering out the terms of JPMorgan’s takeover of Bear Stearns, an SEC official looking for Cox found him at a birthday party for Mark Olson, head of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board.

    When Paulson, two weeks after the Bear Stearns crisis, proposed a reorganisation of Washington regulators that would abolish the SEC, Cox didn’t strongly defend his agency. He now says that was because he didn’t think Congress would take such a proposal seriously.

    Some of Cox’s own enforcement attorneys say the chairman has undermined them by delaying votes on settlements they’ve reached with accused corporate miscreants and by publicly rebuking them in a case where they subpoenaed journalists.

    “A lot of investors are looking at the SEC and saying, ‘Where were you with respect to auction-rate securities? And where were you with the securitisation process of home mortgages?’” says Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island and a member of the Senate Banking Committee.

    GAO Probe: Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, and Reed ordered a probe by the Government Accountability Office this year after the SEC disclosed that sanctions against companies and individuals accused of violating its rules fell 51 per cent, to $1.6 billion, for the fiscal year ended in September 2007.

    It’s not just Democrats who are dismayed at Cox’s approach. On Sept. 18, Republican presidential candidate John McCain called for Cox’s resignation. “The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the president and, in my view, has betrayed the public’s trust,” McCain said at an Iowa campaign rally. “If I were president today, I would fire him.”

    On Sept. 15 Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard and a McCain economic adviser, said, “We have had a regulator in the SEC that in many ways has been asleep at the switch.” Dana Perino, President George W. Bush’s spokeswoman, said Cox has Bush’s confidence.

    Obama Statement: Democratic candidate Barack Obama, campaigning in New Mexico, responded to McCain’s statement by saying, “Don’t get rid of one guy. Get rid of this administration.”

    Ralph Ferrara, a Republican and former SEC general counsel, says Cox has been too nonchalant. “Paulson and Bernanke have stepped up to the plate and taken the lead in responding to the current economic crisis,” he said.

    http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=335219

  16. The tv media is in NEW YORK CITY and D.C. so they have friends on Wall Street, invest in the market…they are removed from average Americans who says that Wall Street hasn’t done enough.

    They also see Wall Street guys protecting their own instead of protecting us the Taxpayer.

  17. So what really happened at that white house meeting yesterday.

    BREAKING NEWS: Paulson and Obama – Friday, September 26, 2008 @ 9:49:47 AM

    When Sen. Barack Obama was given the floor to speak during White House negotiations, according to White House aides, he did so raising concerns about a House Republican alternative to the Paulson/Bernanke $700 billion bailout. But those concerns weren’t necessarily his, as he was not aware of the GOP plan before reviewing notes provided him by Paulson loyalists in Treasury prior to entering the meeting.

    According to an Obama campaign source, the notes were passed to Obama via senior aides traveling with him, who had been emailed the document via a current Goldman Sachs employee and Wall Street fundraiser for the Obama campaign. “It was made clear that the memo was from ‘friends’ and was reliable,” says the campaign source.

    The memo allowed Obama and his fellow Democrats to box in Republican attendees and essentially took what President Bush had billed as a negotiating meeting off the rails.

    “Paulson and his team have not acted in good faith for this President or the administration for which they serve,” says a House Republican leader who was not present at the White House meeting, but who instead is part of the team hammering out the House GOP alternative. “We keep hearing about how Secretary Paulson is working with Democrats on this or that, yet he never seems to consider working with the party that essentially hired him. Perhaps he’s auditioning for a Democratic administration job. Our proposal didn’t just spring forth fully formed; we’ve been working on this for several days, and Treasury staff has known about it.”

    Posted By: The Washington Prowler

    I am hearing that pelosi and reid and other top democrats when asked for their views by Bush referred to Obama, so that they could give Obama credit for a deal going through. Obama immediately attacked republicans, making the republicans think they had been ambushed, and the yelling and screaming started and Obama blew it, and blew the meeting up, not McCain. They wanted to prop Obama up but Obama can’t do it without a teleprompter. McCain didn’t say much of anything. So now today they are trying to say there was a deal (and there was not) and McCain blew it, when it was really Obama. Besides you know they don’t need the republicans, if this is such a great deal pass it.

  18. Republican Congressmen Warns Speaker: Bailout Bill Will Not Have Their Support

    Boehner earlier announced that House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) would represent their caucus in the bailout negotiations. He also held a press conference Friday afternoon responding to criticisms that he had led a “revolt” by Republican congressmen and derailed the passage of legislation needed to address the worst credit crisis since the Great Depression.

    “I don’t know what games were being played at the White House yesterday. Gang up on Boehner. If they thought they were rolling me they were kidding themselves,” he said.

    In the Republican proposal, the government will insure half of all the mortgage-backed securities it does not already insure. Holders of the assets will be the ones to pay for the premiums rather than taxpayers. There would also be temporary tax cuts and a suspension of regulatory measures “to address the problems surrounding private capital liquidity.”

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) expressed dissatisfaction with the GOP plan in a press conference on Friday. “The Republican House has to decide what they want to do… Are they serious about one of the issues that has to be taken care of is lowering the capital gains tax? Is that part of what this is all about? They’re going to have to become realistic,” he said.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has not made a statement on the Boehner’s proposal but said Thursday night she was open to the changes Republicans were pushing. “If it’s something that can be included in the bill, in terms of the authority given to the Treasury Secretary, I’m sure that can be worked out. If it’s contradictory to the purposes of the legislation, then that’s up to the Secretary to decide,” she said

    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012445505
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    Did Nancy Pelosi throw Sec. Paulson under the bus with saying Paulson has final say on the deal?

    What the hell!

    Do you think the people of this country is going to accept that comment?

  19. debbie, if it’s a fair debate, McCain will kick his ass. If Obama was given questions ahead of time, etc (and I would not put it past the media bastards), then McCain can STILL kick his ass, but not as easily.

  20. SEC Ends Voluntary Regulation Program

    The top U.S. securities watchdog on Friday fired back amid criticism of lax regulation, blaming Congress for a loophole that allowed investment banks like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers avoid oversight.

    The regulatory agency also announced the end of a program that allowed global investment bank conglomerates to submit to regulation voluntarily.

    The announcement comes as Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, faces withering criticism that lax regulation led to excesses on Wall Street and ultimately to the current crisis, which has had the financial system teetering on the verge of catastrophe several times in the past couple weeks.

    The SEC will end the Consolidated Supervised Entities program, which allowed global investment bank conglomerates that lack a supervisor under law to voluntarily submit to regulation.

    “The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work,” Cox said in a statement

    He added, “When Congress passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, it created a significant regulatory gap by failing to give to the SEC or any agency the authority to regulate large investment bank holding companies, like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, and Bear Stearns.”

    The SEC also revealed plans to enhance oversight of the broker-dealer subsidiaries of bank holding companies regulated by the Federal Reserve. This move was based on the recent Memorandum of Understanding signed between the SEC and the Fed.

    There has been a series of accusations of lax regulation thrown at the SEC and Chairman Cox in particular since the financial crisis became acute a couple weeks ago. This includes an attack from Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who openly called for Cox to be fired.

    President George Bush has expressed support for his Cox.

    Some within the SEC have privately expressed frustration at the attacks on Cox, who has received the brunt of criticism in the wake of the financial crisis. Defenders of Cox point out that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke share responsibility for regulation and management of the economy, though they have largely received praise for their handling of the current crisis.

    In previous remarks, Cox has defended himself by pointing out the swift action the SEC has taken in the current crisis, including temporarily suspending short selling on financial stocks to ease pressure on those battered shares.

    In Friday’s statement, Cox explained that the loophole in the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act led to the creation of the CSE program in 2004, which was meant to fill what the SEC chairman described as a “regulatory gap.”

    He said that he had reported to Congress many times that the program was “fundamentally flawed from the beginning,” pointing out that the legislative loophole left investment banks the option of not having regulatory supervision.

    The fact that investment bank holding companies could withdraw from this voluntary supervision at their discretion diminished the perceived mandate of the CSE program, and weakened its effectiveness.

    http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=723472&Category=Top%20Stories&pageNum=2334_3235_2

  21. The best thing that McCain did was to go to D.C. and change the game the Dems and Paulson had set up. I have no doubt that Obama got insider information that McCain was not included in.

  22. Hillary for Texas I think it doesn’t matter if BO has the questions ahead of time, at that saddleback church thing they were each given 2 questions, Obama was given a third, Rick Warren meant to give it to McCain when he got there but there wasn’t time, so Obama actually knew one more question than McCain and McCain still kicked his ass. They will be prepared though. Obama will be very rehearsed.

  23. Who cares what your majesty Obama wants, Yes he wants to be President and he wants power and he wants to control all the world but you know Brain also wanted to take over the world and everything went wrong for him and that is what is going to happen to Obama too. Narf…….

    Are you pondering what I am pondering? Let us Vote for MCcain.

    Nobama ever!!!!!!!!

    Hillary 2012!!!!!!!

  24. I hope they have overloaded Obama with zingers and numbers, i bet he mixes them all up and McCain that man is a quick thinker, he’s known to have dropped a few zingers himself off the cuff.

  25. I’m hoping for a “how’s your 8 houses” and McCains responses of “at least we bought our legitimately without fraud”

  26. regardless the politics…I would much rather a friend show up when I have a major problem even if I really didn’t need them than to have them say, call me if you need me.
    It lets me know when in a pinch who cares and it shows me the kind of character they have.

    Maybe it was political but my hat off to McCain for even visiting the idea that the American people needed him more in DC than on the campaign trail.

    I have no comment about BHO other than to say I won’t call him when real leaders show up ready to help.

  27. gonzotx Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    i hope Mccain tells the fraud “I won’t hold your inexperience against you”

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    I hope he says “I know Hillary Clinton, Hillary is a friend of mine and you are NO Hillary”

  28. interesting read on the debate prep

    features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/26/debate-prep-my-candidate-is-dumber-than-yours/

  29. moononpluto Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    Kennedy rushed to Hospital per Fox
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    the flag is thrown after the snap giving the QB a free play. in other words, the debaters have a free play this evening as the remaining week will be devoted to news regarding EMK.

  30. carbynew
    I guess they figure with their mouthpieces Olberman and Matthews the sidelines not front and center for the debate that they will take their chances with CNN

  31. Two Years of Re-Branding and This Is the Thanks MSNBC Gets?
    September 26, 2008 6:31 PM

    As my colleague Rick Klein was first to point out, the Obama campaign sent out a text message this afternoon, reading:

    “Watch Barack debate John McCain tonight at 9 pm Eastern on CNN. Also, remind friends to register to vote at VoteForChange.com. Please forward this message.”

    CNN?

    It will air everywhere!

    What’s the deal?

    And why the free promo for CNN?

    Fox News, I’m sure, has some ideas…

    Just now, I got a new text: “Watch Barack debate John McCain tonight at 9 pm ET on any of the major networks or cable. Fwd this msg & remind friends to register to vote at VoteForChange.com.”

    In other words: Oops!

    – jpt

  32. MSNBC halts broadcast of ad citing McCain’s cancer
    By JIM KUHNHENN – 35 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The cable network MSNBC on Friday stopped airing a commercial by two liberal groups that makes an issue of John McCain’s past bouts with skin cancer and demands that he release his medical records to the public.

    “The ad had not been thoroughly vetted prior to air, and has since been removed from our commercial rotation,” NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said in an e-mail. She did not elaborate.

    The ad displays black and white close-up images of McCain and the scars related to the removal of melanomas from his face.

    A spokesman for one of the groups, Democracy for America, said the cable network notified its ad buyer Friday that it would no longer run the ad.

    CNN had already declined to run the ad, but MSNBC ran it several times Thursday evening and Friday morning before the network halted it. The ad cost $50,000 — a small ad purchase by political standards that seemed designed primarily to generate publicity.

    The 30-second ad was financed by Democracy for America and Brave New PAC, two liberal political action committees that have already aired another anti-McCain ad. Democracy for America is headed by James Dean, the brother of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

    “John McCain is 72 years old and had cancer four times,” the ad’s text says. “Why won’t McCain release his medical records?”

    In May, McCain provided 1,173 pages of medical documents to a small group of reporters to examine for several hours, but the campaign did not release the documents and reporters were not allowed to make copies.

    The records, which covered McCain’s health history from 2000-2008, showed that he had his last episode of melanoma, the most dangerous form of skin cancer, six years ago. The records described him as having a strong heart and generally good health. He gets an in-depth skin cancer check every few months.

    MSNBC’s decision came a day after FOX New commentator Bill O’Reilly denounced the ad on his cable program as “perhaps the most vicious political ad of the campaign.” O’Reilly singled out Dean and Brave New PAC’s Robert Greenwald, a California film producer, for blame, and also mentioned Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of NBC parent company General Electric, and NBC CEO Jeff Zucker. “They should be ashamed, but they are anything but,” O’Reilly said.

    “Democracy for America stands behind the ad 100 percent,” spokesman Daniel I. Medress said. “It’s disappointing (MSNBC) would take marching orders from Bill O’Reilly. And it’s disappointing that they don’t want the American people to be able to ask the question of John McCain to release his medical records.”

    McCain’s Democratic rival, Barack Obama, has not made his medical records public. His physician earlier this year released a one-page letter attesting to his good health.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5imvTVA-Hl4kb1-9NRkXv-LWU5h3AD93EMGLO1

  33. Whats Obama hiding in those medical records, why won’t he release them?

    Amazing he asks about McCains health and no one challenges his records.

  34. I can get my doctor to write anything in a one page letter, after all he can’t disclose anything the patient does not want him too.

    I’m betting there is something in there, lung damge from smoking, drug damage. There is something or else Obama would have those records front and central.

    When someone locks up records it rings alarm bells.

  35. mp Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    birdgal..ouch!!!!

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    Just asking. Anything is possible. Hopefully, he’ll be out soon.

  36. before signing off –

    go McCain. just be yourself. confident, knowledgeable, concise and certain. country first. you will be fine.

  37. Blind Ambition
    by Linda Chavez

    The nation’s economy is on the precipice, but Barack Obama has more important things to attend to. He’s a man in a hurry to be president, and a little thing like the collapse of the U.S. credit markets won’t deter him. In fact, he sees it as an opportunity. By Obama’s calculation — and that of many of his supporters — the worse mess the economy is in, the better his chances are to win the Oval Office.

    But John McCain has other ideas. He actually believes it’s his duty to deal with the crisis at hand, which is why he temporarily suspended his presidential campaign Wednesday to return to Washington. Before he asks voters to elect him to a new office, McCain will fulfill what the citizens of Arizona have six times elected him to do — legislate; this time on an issue that has momentous consequences for all Americans, rescuing the credit markets on which much of the U.S. economy depends. McCain is willing to put partisan differences and his presidential ambitions aside for the moment and do what’s right for the country

    townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2008/09/26/blind_ambition

  38. I’m really expecting a mid October surprise from the republican party. It isn’t quite overt but their confidence seems to be unusual at a time when the polls are so neck and neck.

    Could be that I’m reading more into what I see than what is there, however, understanding political strategy somewhat, I’m ready to bet money we haven’t seen anything yet.

    expect fireworks about 2-3 weeks from the election

  39. neetabug, The national tracking polls generally show BO with a small lead. The race on a state and national level remains very close.

    BTW, anyone else wonder if McCain had enough debate prep time?

  40. in the meantime…the dirtiness of the campaign goes on…

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/25/congressman-warns-jews-blacks-to-beware-of-palin/

  41. CAN YOU GUYS DO A BLOW BY BLOW? sorry sounds like im talking about obama’s favorite pastime …

    anyway, i cant watch it, chicken basically…
    can you guys tell me when to turn the tv on? 🙂

  42. skmf12 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    CAN YOU GUYS DO A BLOW BY BLOW? sorry sounds like im talking about obama’s favorite pastime …

    anyway, i cant watch it, chicken basically…
    can you guys tell me when to turn the tv on?

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    I can’t watch either.

  43. The important part is the economic questions…remember Harry Reid was mad that McCain didn’t offer any suggestions…he remaind tight lip and just did a lot of listening.

    He didn’t tip his hand to Obama…that’s why the Dims are spining like mad and going after Palin…the problem is Palin is getting stronger with white males and is holding her conservative base.

    They don’t know what she will do, right now it’s all about putting a lot of pressure on her to break her before the debates and cast doubts with women. But people vote for the head of the ticket and McCain shown true LEADERSHIP in a CRISIS.

    Obama is a puppet being propped up by the Democrats…I just want to know how MSNBC feel like being thrown under the bus by Obama after hurting their Brand by being Obama’s bitch.

  44. skmf12 just use your mute button, it’s gonna be hard to watch I know but one of these guys is gonna be president….
    I’d rather know now than too late…

    it feels really dirty huh?

  45. The good news is according to CNN, voters expect Obama to perform better tonight, so if he doesnt, it will be very bad for him.

  46. From the McCain Camp: “U.S. Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign tonight announced that 300 retired generals and admirals from around the country are endorsing John McCain for president.”

  47. saw this on a blog

    Drinking game tonight: take a shot every time Obama says “change” and every time McCain says “my friends”

  48. The cracks in the Dems begin, why McCain was called in.

    thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrat-house-gop-not-consulted-enough-on-bailout-2008-09-26.html

    Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) on Friday suggested Democratic leaders did not solicit enough input from House Republicans on the financial rescue package. Asked whether House GOP lawmakers are right to believe they were slighted, Kanjorski replied, “I don’t know that we included them in enough, and that’s always a dangerous thing in politics. Remember, you’re dealing with egomaniacs. We’re all egomaniacs down here.”

    Kanjorski said, “Now, what we have to do is open that door for the House Republicans, bring them on in and say, ‘Guys, you know, we can’t cast your idea aside.’ Let’s listen to it … I think we have to allow them to talk their idea out. We have to be willing to listen.”

  49. I have to tell you this. I went with my niece to take her daughter to teen court. She has gotten out of hand. The woman that is handling her case, told her she had to stop hanging around people that were negative. Then she said this is why she likes Obama because he gets along with everyone. My mouth dropped open. I told her first of all we are not here about Obama. We are here to help my neice daughter. And further more i am voting for McCain end of subject.

    I started to report her, but then i thought about she is handling the case. I still might after this is over with

  50. I will be watching at my neighbor’s….luckily she has a short attention span and
    I can switch on and off when needed..

  51. turndownobama-com Says: I just got home. Where will be the best place to watch the debate online? (I don’t have a tv)

    debbie Says:
    on cspan.com

    ——–

    Next choice? This is too much software and plugins and stuff. Where can i just eat my waffle, er, click on the damn debate?

  52. Idunn, someone on NQ said that Newt was trying to trash Big Dawg over Fannie and freddie, and Rove smacked down Newt and defended Big Dawg – said it wasn’t his doing, he tried to regulate it.

    I didn’t see it – will look for the youtube later.

  53. CNN just had a slew of voters on concerning the bailout and couldnt find one person for it, people are dead set against this, if the Dems force this through, they could be slitting their own throats.

  54. I’d be more shocked if he had come out as straight. I just watched Barney Frank and now I know how us gays get bad names, the man is vile.

  55. My husband is watching the Louisville Game. Shows you how important that debate is to him.

    Glad to see others who really cannot stand to what it. This blog make me feel normal.

  56. The debates no difference between Bush and Kerry, Bush screwed them royally and still won. So I dont expect much shift unless Obama messes it up completely and thats happened before, this time mcCain wont be afraid to let the fur fly, Hillary had her hands tied behind her back.

  57. McCain can afford to get a little mad tonight, Americans like their Presidents fiesty, Obama can come over as a complete wimp and that turns off voters.

  58. McCain has to get Obama straight on the defensive and Obama angry because then Obama forgets everything and goes to shit, you know thats what he’s going to do.

  59. moon, losing the debates did not hurt Bush because he was the media’s golden boy. If they hadn’t been covering for him, it would have hurt him.

  60. I just watched Barney Frank and now I know how us gays get bad names, the man is vile.

    Yeah, he is. But we won’t count that as a strike against you guys, if you won’t hold people like Bambi against us straight folks. 😉

  61. Obama’s answer appeared canned. McCain appeared much more in control. Obama has a furrowed head, almost appearing angry.

  62. admin Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    Obama’s answer appeared canned. McCain appeared much more in control. Obama has a furrowed head, almost appearing angry.
    ******************************
    thats because he has to listen hard to the feed inside his “hidden” ear piece

  63. oh gosh he is gonna stutter like he did with hillary…
    Hillary for President by the will of the people of America…there isnt anyone who can debate like hillary these 2 are boring..

  64. McCain is doing very well. McCain is commanding by speaking softly. Obama is trying to appear commanding which has led to the reappearance of the ums.

  65. your rigth admin he appears angry..and those looks are very scary we cant have him in the white house never…
    GO mccain..Hope mccain can bobble his head ..get him stutering like a old mule ..lol

  66. McCain is talking specifics, like need to control spending. Obama is babbling about “oversight” and Golden parachutes.

    Also, Obama is back in jut jaw mode. Obama is losing it, all the signs are showing up – jut jaw and ums and ahs.

    McCain going after Obama on earmarks.

  67. Neetabug, it is painful to watch the boob. But he is already falling apart. He thinks he is back in class giving lectures. McCain is just beginning to toy with him.

  68. neetabug pm chickens..i know its not hilllary but ya gotta root for old mccain.that jim learher man he is scary too..lol

  69. # admin Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    pm317, coward. 🙂 We’re suffering, join in the pain.
    ——————–
    unfortunately, I can hear it..

  70. McCain is on the attack. When will he mention Rezko? It’s just a matter of time.

    BTW, no foreign policy questions yet. It’s all economy. Now Obama is using acronyms. What a boob.

  71. admin is that bo off track..he doesnt stay on issue or question he rambles i cannot follow him like i dont understand a word he says..he goes off the subject
    Hillary i understand all the time..her words are put where you understand .

  72. CJ, Obama came in with canned answers and depended on those answers for too long. McCain came in with a soothing charm right from the start. The difference is that McCain is adapting to circumstances while Obama is digging into his bag of tricks.

  73. Obama getting petulant and trying to talk over McCain. REALLY bad moment for him – looked like a 7th grader.

  74. McCain getting even more agressive. McCain says he walked the walk. McCain pointing out he fought while Obama went along.

    Obama keeps looking to the moderator for help.

    McCain trashing Obama about voting for the energy bill.

    McCain must just walk over to Obama and yank that flag lapel pin right off him.

  75. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    Obama getting petulant and trying to talk over McCain. REALLY bad moment for him – looked like a 7th grader
    ****************************

    he may be, we have never seen his records of any kind!

  76. Kids are watching their shows so I am tivoing it, will watch it later. I’ll just read your impressions for now. I don’t think Obama can think off the cuff, he needs a teleprompter. Don’t see how that can make a good debator.

  77. ok now i get admin its those tricks ..you are so right..thats how he gets by with things ..same thing he tried with all the other candiates..in the early part of the primarys…he tries to fool his answers but they ramble together os i still have ahard time of what bo says..so i will muts and listen to mccain thanks admin..lol.

  78. McCain getting into even more specfics on very detailed cost contracts. This was after he said about Obama = it is very difficult to reach across the aisle from so far left.

  79. okay i peeked, wow, obama has a hard time hiding his feelings. talk about a poker face? obama doesnt have one!!!!

    mccain is confident, no, mccain is just comfortable in his own skin, and his knowledge, like hillary in that way.

  80. McCain doing well – talking about fixed-cost contracts, instead of deals costing 4 times what the bid was, how he killed a bad deal.

  81. He is really coming across as angry and that will turn voters off big time. They want someone they can feel comfortable with as president. well at least I do…

  82. Obama trots out canned nonsense to explain his “liberal” voting record. What a boob!. He just fell into McCain’s trap. He should just ignore voting record barbs but the boob can’t help himself. Obama does not like to be attacked and just has to respond whether it helps him or not.

  83. that would do bo in admin mccain walk over there and yank that pin off of him.i wish one of us was up there to take that off of him lol..mccain dont have his on lol..

  84. For the people watching, do you think that McCain is toying with BO? It seems like it, from the tone of the comments.

  85. Obama gets a little whiny and strident – “But you are just like Bush!!” McCain grins and points out that he has not been particularly popular with the current administration, lists his opposition to Bush on climate, spending, torture, etc.

  86. yep i think he is doing that birdgal..getting on bos nerves lol..he is rude and interupts and not very gracious.and dont even know mccains name lol….i know we will live on the streets if this bo ever became president.

  87. Birdgal, McCain is slapping Obama at will.

    Remember that McCain was supposed to be a stumbling old man who would drool. Obama was supposed to be ready, rested and different. Instead McCain appears to be a good boxer throwing punches and Obama looks like a peacock afraid to have his face bruised.

  88. Obama is trying to ride the “against the war in the beginning” thing again, but most people don’t want to rehash that – they care what we do now

    YES!!!! McCain addressing this!

  89. admin Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
    Birdgal, McCain is slapping Obama at will.

    ——————————————————————————————————

    I think McCain is a fox, and many people underestimate him. Arrogance will be BO’s downfall. Too much of a peacock.

  90. Amazing. McCain just said the next president has to decide how we get out of Iraq and what we leave behind. This was in response to Obama’s “judgment” boasting regarding Iraq. This was good jiu jitzu by McCain. Obama responded by jutting out his jaw.

  91. he has that harsh strident voice rising voice outacontrol coke voice….”jm says BO is the most liberal senator and it’s pretty hard to cross the aisle when you;re that far left.

    BO doesn;t understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy,

    whoohooo

  92. McCain needs to HIT him on the war history – McCain said form the BEGINNING it was being badly executed. McCain is the one who got Rummy fired.

  93. Obama is trotting out his “judgment on Iraq” greatest hits. It was his best moment of the night. But now McCain is responding on an emotional level talking about soldiers he has met and what they told him.

    Obama reduced to muttering to the moderator “not true, not true.”

  94. no he’s not. He hates war, it kept his father and grandfather from him. Did you hear him say once that his grandfather came back from world war II and died the next day? I don’t think anyone who lives through war is a war monger, at least not usually.

  95. Lin67 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    on another blog they are saying Obama is smirking when McCain is speaking. Is he doing that
    ———————————————————————————————————

    It wouldn’t surprise me. He used to that with Hillary, all the time.

  96. LMAO! Hits Bambi on attacking Pakistan: “You don’t do that. And you don’t SAY that out loud!” (translation, this noob is gonna kill us all with his mouth)

  97. OBAMA DONT TRY AND TEACH US SHIT!!! YOUR JUST A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DUDE!!! LECTURE ME ON BAMBOOZLING, BUT NOT ON WAR!!!

  98. yes obama will kill us all if he doesnt drop out of this now …and let hillary step in. right nowbecasue ob is lying and making crap up..

  99. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Obama can’t rememebr the name on his bracelet
    ********************************

    because its his..it is a monitoring devise from jail!

  100. I’M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW, I JUST LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

    HILLARY AND BILL, ARE PROBABLY LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF RIGHT NOW!!!! 😀

  101. HillaryforTexas
    I thought it looked like he had to look at it to remember the name
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    because it has his name on it. it is a monitoring devise from jail!

  102. admin Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    Lin67, Obama was happy because he had a bracelet too.
    ********

    R O T F L M F A O!!!!

  103. LMAO! RD commenter says:

    I love when Mac says: What Senator Obama doesn’t seem to understand is [insert everything here]

  104. okay, so why is obama always looking at the same place in the audience? does he have a mic in his ear, where someone is giving him answers?

  105. Lin67, Obama was happy because he had a bracelet too.

    Omg. What is this a contest??? And he didn’t even know the name on it???? Yeah he really cares.

  106. I bet Hillary is shaking her head what a lame idiot at ob..she probaly will have a press confernece on this crap of the stuttering fool..she should put country first i think she will if he is bad at these debates…….and bill rjk yep Champagne lol..
    mccain just backhande ob..he doesnt have a seal yet lol

  107. yep he is lying so bad admin…about that preconditons he said on live tv and on the stump..mccain needs to really get at him and bring him down this giuy have never done nothing for America..

  108. admin Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    Lin67, Obama was happy because he had a bracelet too.

    *********************************************

    obama cheapens the whole discussion…he makes me sick…I actually have to hit the mute button…

    he interrupts, condescends…the arrogance…ugh!

  109. RJK57,

    “I do love that line Mccain keeps using What Senator Obama fails to understand is….
    Whoever came up with that should get a raise!”

    EXACTLY!!!

  110. If McCain is laughing at BO, McCain is pushing all of BO’s buttons. That is the WORST thing to do to a NPD. BO has no sense of humor, and cannot laugh at himself.

  111. Obama rewriting his own history again – this time on Russia/Georgia. McCain gave a comprehensive answer on Russia and Obama is not happy.

  112. BTW, there is already a poll on Drudgereport asking who won the debate. Only 4,000 votes thus far with McCain getting 71%. Those who want to vote should vote.

  113. McCain speaks with the authority of experience about Russia and Georgia and the Ukraine. Obama lectures, it all sounds theoretical.

    Joe Sixpack is going to feel safer with McCain.

  114. McCain teaches, explains, connects, relates…and Obama lectures and “corrects”

    what an arrogant______!

    …little did I ever know how much I would really come to like McCain…the man has wisdom and humility…

    who the hell wants to listen to obama go on and on and on and on for the next four years…

  115. Some number crunchers might find a positive correlation between the number of foreign names in a McCain statement and the liklihood of Obama saying “I agree with McCain.”

  116. …little did I ever know how much I would really come to like McCain…the man has wisdom and humility…

    —–

    me too. I never really cared for him, didn’t pay that much attention to him really. But I have come to respect him these past few weeks.

  117. that what i mean debbie …he changing this crap bo and im lost right at the beggininng..lol…he is just unsuitable for a president..and interupts that is how his dirty tricks are..from chicago.lying sackk of crap..

  118. rjk1957 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
    McCain was playing head games with Obama getting him to come to DC instaed of debate camp.

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    That is what, I was thinking. I’m sure there were other reasons, but playing head games was part of it. I can’t believe people would think McCain was trying to get out of the debate. He could do it, in his sleep.

  119. moonpluto..lol.. i was wondering how someone would spell it i can say it but wasnt sure how to spell it..lol..he is arrogant..and rude and a mad man
    veru angry man..shouts to much …and is a big bore.

    GO John MAC

  120. McCain is pissing Barky off by coming across as the wise old statesman, and subtly but kindly dismissing “junior”.

    That is NEEDLING the hell out of Obama.

  121. McCain went for some hard hitting about judgement and experience, and Obama just ignored it and ran a stump excerpt.

  122. I don’t think Obama’s arrogance and interrupting went down well, i was yelling shut up and let the man talk, it was annoying.

  123. hands down McCain came across as presidential and Obama just cam across as being angry. What Senator Obama fails to understand is that voters want to like the person they are voting for.

  124. THANK YOU GUYS, I DON’T KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT YOU. I WILL CATCH THE DEBATE ON RERUN

    I KNOW I WAS CHICKEN

  125. It appears the Media elites want Obama to win but I can tell you down south manners matters and Obama came across very immature.

  126. thanks admin for having us here and you joined too..in from maybe upstate new york lol..
    neetabig he was the same old liar the crap he pulled with hillary..interuption and shouting dont ever vote for a president who shouts ..and especially lies and that pre conditions is chicago dirty tricks..

  127. The one thing that stood tonight was, Obama kept saying, John is right, john is right and McCain kept saying Obama is wrong and that sticks in your mind.

    Its really dumb to keep saying your opponent is right, Obama is as dumb as rocks.

  128. MSNBC said republicans already have the clips of McCain saying “What Senator Obama fails to understand…” and Obama saying “Senator McCain is right” for an ad ready to run.

  129. Here’s a quote from a poster, over on RD:

    “Senator Obama is on a horse so high that when he falls off his head will explode from the change in air pressure.”

  130. rjk1957

    Sounds like O’s put down of Hillary of “you are likable enough Hillary).

    Mean, give me a break, this is adult leading nation stuff. You take the gloves off.

  131. rjk1957 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
    He also said Mccain came across as mean slapping Obama around..

    ————————————————————————————-

    Poor, poor Bambi. What does Buchanan think Putin or Chavez or Iran will do to him??? Give him a hug? Give me a break.

  132. McCain won but the economy has got the media scared so they’re pulling for Obama.

    But McCain won because Obama is suppose to be the better communicator and McCain came across humble and very knowledgeable.

    The question is who would you want beside you in a fight….McCain or Obama?

  133. Paula
    Oh no, he clearly said and was being serious, McCain came across as being mean and Obama came across as likeable. I have been watching Pat since the primaries began and like him, but he is wrong tonight.

  134. rjk1957 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    Pat Buchanan said Obama came across as likeable. What the hell was he watching?
    ====

    likeable…not presidential

  135. A Young Republican in a Bar in Kansas City just said she thought “Obama’s played Risk a couple of times and that’s the extent of his foreign policy experience”

  136. Not as enthusiastic as they usually are for Obama, i think they thought bambi would cream McCain and it didnt happen. Clearly not very enthused at all about the whole thing, its like the whole political team is sucking lemons, a clear sign Bambi did not do that well.

  137. I don’t care what the media says…they lost credibility a long time ago…what is important is what middle America think…would they be comfortable with Obama being CIC.

    I don’t think so….Obama arrogance, temper and stubbornness was on display…the two camp can spin this either way. But Obama getting a tie is generous of the media.

    I just think McCain did a wonderful job…he held up very well in an audience that was packed with Obama supporters.

  138. rjk1957 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    I think that is part of Obama’s game plan to try and get McCain to lose his temper.

    ============

    Heh. Fat chance!

    WHO’s game plan, huh?

  139. AmericanGal, I was about to say that. The focus groups rarely thought Hillary won even when it was pretty obvious she did.

  140. “Pat Buchanan said Obama came across as likeable.”

    Notice that McCain said Obama was stubborn like somebody else we know. Likeable. Stubborn. Obama is Bush.

  141. The Obamabot are trying to put a good face of Obama’s performance but all he talked about was talking points and Obama is still stubborn on the surge…this will back fire with the military.

    That the surge didn’t work.

    For Politico to come out and say Obama is wrong on Henry Kissenger is very telling for that pro Obama site.

    Is Obama CIC material and head of the ticket?

  142. Kissinger slaps Obama

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp

    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

  143. I can’t wait for Hannity & Combs to come on…at least you get reality and some honest truth about Obama.

    I also would like to hear Dick Morris take on the debate. MSNBC and CNN are not jumping up for joy like they would if Obama really did a great job…this Tie crap is the best the media could do for Obama.

  144. Wasn’t there something about Kissinger on Palin’s interview with Couric. As I remember Palin was right but Couric twisted it and made it look like Palin was not accurate. I hate the media.

  145. Yeah its strange that CNN and MSNBC are really not gloating like usual over Obama’s performance,they seem very subdued like they knew he was shit.

  146. McCain won. You can see it in the faces and body language of the media bots trying hard to make it a tie or Obama “holding his own.”

  147. Amazing that Mr. Law Review would set himself up like that with Kissinger. Did he actually not know that Kissinger would shoot him down?

  148. Dick Morris thinks Obama won the first half, McCain the second half, and since the economy is more important Obama won. He is on hannity and colmes now.

  149. Lin67 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
    Dick Morris thinks Obama won the first half, McCain the second half, and since the economy is more important Obama won. He is on hannity and colmes now.
    **************
    he is nuts, sucked one toe too many

  150. The Media Elites are out a touch with America. Yes people are concern about the economy but thy also know we are over extended and those conservative states.

    The media is overly sensitive about the economy…they preceive McCain is weak there and Obama is strong…Obama is wrong for the economy.

  151. Time to get drunk

    September 26, 2008, 11:02 PM
    Early Poll Results Suggest More Uncommitted Voters Saw Obama As Debate Winner
    Posted by Brian Montopoli| 27

    CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 uncommitted voters reacting to the debate in the minutes after it happened.

    These figures are still preliminary and could change as more respondents complete the survey. But here’s what we have so far:

    Forty percent of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. Twenty-two percent thought John McCain won. Thirty-eight percent saw it as a draw.

    Forty-six percent of uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better tonight.

    Sixty-eight percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-one percent think McCain would.

    Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would.

    We will have a full report on the poll later on. Uncommitted voters are those who don’t yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/politics/horserace/entry4482028.shtml

  152. and who’s to say when they poll uncommitted voters, they are actually uncommitted. So these types of polls are bull.

  153. sorry, CBS polled 500 uncommitted voters, how can they sure they are uncommitted, how did they find them, smacks of bull to me.

  154. rjk,
    ” or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.”

    this is so telling

    will we get to see how many leaners are for BHO and McCain??? It took minutes? to get this info??

  155. Hey if I was a bot and they phoned me and said we need uncommitted voters, did you like McCain or Obama, you know what that lot will do.

  156. Also, did it seem Obama is soft toward Russia and Iran and hard toward China.


    Thats a flip then, a few weeks ago he was praising China, I think during the olympics, because of their great subway system and I don’t know what else, almost a “why can’t we be more like China” approach.

    They are going to spin like crazy. Its what the true leaners think, and I don’t know how they can judge that. He has to be stronger on the economy though, I hope they work on that. He has the answers he just has to say them. And he should have explained why he rushed back to Washington. Maybe he thought that would have been posturing.

  157. Biden will run circles around Palin on foreign policy and he knows how to manipulate

    At best I expect Palin to show she has an understanding much like BHO does.

    As far as other posititons I suspect she will hold her own.

  158. McCain Seems To Have Upper Hand, But No Real Game Changers
    By Greg Sargent – September 26, 2008, 11:27PM

    John McCain seemed to be the candidate on the offensive tonight in some key exchanges, and the economic meltdown didn’t prevent the debate from being mostly about national security — turf favorable to McCain, at least tonight. But ultimately, there were no real game changers.

    The driving tension of tonight’s debate was that it was originally supposed to be about national security — and yet the entire first half ended up being about the economy. Obama had a decisive edge throughout the first half. But when it segued into foreign policy, there’s little question that McCain projected more authority and confidence, and landed more blows than Obama did, though it’s unlikely that any of those blows were devastating enough to matter in the long run.

    Obama headed into this debate in a commanding position. The primary question at the outset was how Obama would use his advantage — would he try to go after McCain aggressively and damage him even further, or would he remain aloof and hope McCain would come across as attacking out of desperation?

    The surprise of the night was that McCain was able to seize the offensive and frame the foreign policy debate on his own terms without looking like he was desperate. Indeed, if anything, the dynamic shifted a bit back in McCain’s direction.

    To be sure, Obama did make some of the points he had to. He laid out the case against McCain on Iraq in pithy detail and skewered McCain’s constant “surge” references pretty artfully. “John, you like to pretend like the war began in 2007,” Obama said, before reciting a litany of all the things McCain had gotten wrong about Iraq.

    Obama also tried to fight back hard in another interesting exchange. McCain brought up a bracelet he wears that he said was given to him by the mother of a dead soldier who, he said, didn’t want her son to have died in vain. Obama countered by saying he was wearing a bracelet from a bereaved mother who told him she doesn’t want any other mothers to endure what she has.

    But McCain was unquestionably able to put Obama on the defensive on national security tonight. There’s little question that McCain landed blows as he aggressively hit Obama for his willingness to meet without preconditions with the leaders of hostile foreign powers. And while Obama rightly pointed out that his position doesn’t amount to a willingness to have “tea” with said leaders, McCain was defining the terms of the debate at that point.

    All this said, this was the night that was supposed to be fought on McCain’s most favorable turf. And overall, Obama didn’t appear noticeably rattled or off his game in any significant way. So while we’d say that McCain did seem to have the upper hand tonight at times, nothing happened in this debate that will shift the underlying dynamic of the race as it stands right now.

    One other point: Obama has proven again and again that his pacing and timing in this race have been impeccable. In an interesting moment, Obama congratulated McCain as they left their podiums, in a tone that suggested that Obama isn’t terribly worried about the current state of play. If the history of this campaign is any guide, Obama will press the pedal down in the remaining two debates.

    tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccain_seems_to_have_upper_han.php

  159. Obama edges McCain in CA poll
    By Staff reports

    Originally published 10:28 p.m., September 26, 2008
    Updated 10:28 p.m., September 26, 2008

    In a poll of 411 voters who identified themselves as undecided, Sen. Barack Obama edged Sen. John McCain in the first presidential debate of 2008, held at the University of Mississippi in Oxford.

    The poll was conducted for The Commercial Appeal by the Atlanta-based polling firm Inside Advantage/Poll Position and was taken after the debate.

    Obama was declared the winner by 42 percent of those polled. McCain got the call on 41 percent. The debate was too close to call by 17 percent.

    The poll has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 5 percent.

    CA/InsiderAdvantage/Poll Position

    Obama: 42%

    McCain: 41%

    Undecided: 17%

    This poll of 411 voters who identified themselves as undecided was conducted for The Commercial Appeal by the Atlanta-based polling firm Inside Advantage/Poll Position. Margin of error +/-5%
    *****************************************************
    If I was Obama the undecided #s woud worry me.
    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/sep/26/obama-edges-mccain-ca-poll/

  160. Military families pay special attention to debaters
    By ANNA M. TINSLEY

    FORT WORTH — Karon Tank couldn’t help but chuckle.
    A staunch supporter of Republican John McCain’s presidential bid, she found some of Democrat Barack Obama’s ideas for the military actually laughable.

    “I believe that what McCain is saying is true,” said Tank, 50. “This is his forte because of his experience. He knows what he’s doing.

    “Obama is just a junior senator,” she said. “He reminds me of Elmer Fudd. And I’m not trying to put down Elmer Fudd.”

    Tank is among those paying special attention to where the candidates stand on military issues — a key theme in Friday’s first presidential debate — because she has a son in the Air Force Individual Ready Reserve.

    Even as the nation’s focus is on the United States’ stumbling economy, the war and what happens to U.S. soldiers once a new president is sworn into office next year is an issue the election may turn on for some voters.

    Across town from where Tank watched the debate with family and friends, Gerri Combest was among those watching at a Democratic debate watch party.

    She, too, has much at stake. Her husband, National Guard Army Capt. Chris Combest, is now in Georgia, about to ship out to Iraq.

    “It’s interesting that John McCain talks about cutting spending, not raising taxes,” Combest said. “But the country has never gone to war without sacrificing something.

    “We have wars going on, but he doesn’t want to find a way to pay for it,” she said. “It makes no sense. But I’ve thought that (about the administration) for the past few years.”

    Other thoughts on the debate:

    Earmarks: When McCain pointed out Obama’s efforts to earmark funding for local projects before he began his own presidential bid, Tank could hardly restrain her laughter. “I love it,” she said.

    Cutting spending: When McCain said that he’d like to put in place a spending freeze on all but the most essential services, Ann Hartzo — an independent-leaning Republican who supports McCain — smiled. “It sounds good to me,” she said. Combest, though, was cheering Obama on. “He is the first to say he won’t be able to fulfill everything he wants because of the bailout package,” she said.

    Moving troops: Obama’s plan to withdraw troops from Iraq in 16 months drew appreciation from Combest. But she wants to make sure that Iraqi people left behind are safe when military support is no longer there. “As long as they are in a safe environment … I support pulling them [troops] out,” she said. “I also support Obama saying we need to increase troops in Afghanistan.”

    Experience: Lori Archibald, an independent who supported and worked for Democrat Hillary Clinton during the primary, said McCain’s experience showed during the debate.

    “I think when you see the two candidates together, the contrast is pretty clear,” said Archibald, whose father and three brothers served in the Navy. “It’s a night and day difference.

    “I think maybe in several years, Obama would be ready,” she said. “It’s just too soon for him now.”

    http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/936999.html

  161. I watched the debate on my local FOX affiliate. Since I already know where both candidates stand on these issues, there weren’t any real surprises here for me. But maybe someone who hasn’t been following this election so closely might have a different opinion.

    Obama said the same stuff he always says. I couldn’t tell you if he looked angry or what, because I averted my eyes whenever he appeared onscreen. Just can’t look at his dopey mug anymore.

    I think McCain was strongest when he gave concrete examples of his experience. I don’t agree with him on all the issues here, but basically I feel the country will be safe with him as Commander In Chief. His best part came at the end when he talked about helping the veterans because it’s so obvious that he really means it.

    I miss Hillary. 🙁

  162. i find it really funny how the media thinks mccain was angry and did not look obama in the eye…and obama interrupts, smirks and is completely arrogant and that is ok with them…reminds me of when gore acted that way and he got blasted but its ok for obama…

    and now it is like all the media coordinated these ‘quick’ polls to start pushing obama won the debate…the whole thing sounds so manufactured…and if keith o is pushing it, i do not believe a word…

    what in the world has happened to david gergen…i used to respect that guy for his integrity…he looks and sounds like an obama lapdog…disgraceful

  163. “He is the first to say he won’t be able to fulfill everything he wants because of the bailout package,” she said.

    They think that looks smart? He’s the first candidate in history to negate on campaign promises before he is even elected. How does that look smart.

  164. McCain won. Again, don’t look at what the media talking heads SAY, watch their eyes, their faces, their body language. They know McCain won.

  165. from another blog:

    All: The old big media and the Beltway pundits can spin this as they wish. I believe McCain came away the clear winner. His answers were clear, cogent, and displayed a geo-political range that Obama clearly does not have. Charles K., on FOX, called it a draw, saying Obama was never flustered. He must have been watching a different debate. Obama was flustered, and showed it in two ways. He talked over McCain about 8 times, (zero for McCain) and he frequently puckered his lips. That’s what I saw.

    Ed Lasky:

    I heard Krauthammer-I think he has had a problem with Mccain since Palin came on board.
    My wife watched CNN and the usual sychophants sucked up to Obama and said he was the winner.
    Gimme a break. Gergen was the worst
    Fox audience member said Obama did not stutter. What?
    Seems like the Fox focus group only cared about the economy and the “average person”. Not good for McCain if this is going to be the filter.
    —–

    I’ve been thinking that about Krautheimer too. He seems biased against McCain and Palin, and seems to always be wrong. I wonder what people in America who aren’t strong one way or the other saw. I’m not sure I buy that premise that Obama is winning.

  166. I don’t think all of this media analysis and quick polling will be accurate in the long run anyway. They are just taking people’s knee-jerk reactions. Once everything has had a chance to sink in, I think we will get a better idea of who ‘won’ the debate. By the middle of next week the polls should begin to reflect this. I don’t think we’ll really know until then.

  167. McCain clear winner.

    BHO’s interruptions like a child in class who wants to impress the teacher and constantly interrupts was childish and immature.

    His “I have a bracelet, too,”was so third-gade, that I gasped at the comment.

    Listening to Obamabots rationalize his answers, especially BHO’s agreeing with McCain eight times was fascinating.

    How any sane person can vote for BHO is beyond me, ESPECIALLY Jewish voters.

    I mean, the differences in the two are startling. Safety and prudence vs. Danger and blank check. What a no-brainer.

    McCain-Palin 2008

  168. Jen the Michigander Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I agree I think the country will be much safer with McCain as CIC

    what a debate that would have been with Hillary huh? I miss her too.

  169. Idunn
    Damn and here I thought the only person in America that did not know Clay was gay was Clay himself.
    —————————

    and me. Who is Clay Aiken?

  170. The undecided are still high on many polls, remember Obama need to be 6 to 8 points ahead of Obama. Also the NY/DC media is in the tank for Obama due to Wall Street and the economy.

    These guys are millionaires hosting these news shows…so they’re thinking about their own pocketbook and not the voters.

    I thought McCain won even though the media spent 50% talking about the economy and not Foreign Policy…that helped Obama because he sounded warm and fuzzy…but McCain should have talked about strengthening the dollar and getting Inflation under control…but their still is another debate on the economy…so he was right to save that for that debate.

    Palin is the widecard in this campaign…so I expect more Left wing attacks on her to rattle her for her debate…Joe Biden has foot and mouth disease and Palin is the better communicator.

    This debate will be interesting. I hope they start off with the economy too…and warm into the foreign policy…but we’ll see.

  171. Spoke with my mother and she can’t let go of SS concerns which is why she may vote for waffles. She is sixty and plans to retire in a couple of years and that is a concern for her. Don’t even know how much she’d need it but its another one of those things like r v wade that the dimocratic party holds hostages.

  172. I’ve been thinking that about Krautheimer too. He seems biased against McCain and Palin, and seems to always be wrong. I wonder what people in America who aren’t strong one way or the other saw. I’m not sure I buy that premise that Obama is winning.
    *****************************************************
    Palin strength is outside of the beltway and that is why they are angry and are out to destroy her. They cross over the line with her church service and her getting a prayer blesings.

    Voters don’t like stuff like that…it’s disrespectful and it confirms the elites distain on their culture.

    I loved the NRA ad against Obama, now that was a powerful ad.

  173. Henry, you should mentioned to your mother if the whole world goes up in smoke we want have to worry about SS or anything else.

    PS, i am not being mean.

  174. henry: Tell your mother, if SS is privatized, I believe it will affect younger people more than baby boomers. I may be wrong, but it takes time to change such a complex system around, and for funds to build up. Younger people have the time, older people do not. I might be completely wrong, and if I am, please correct me. Bo has not ruled out privatization. He is telling older citizens that McCain wants to do this, when it isn’t real clear that is the plan. Plus, with this big Wall Street bailout, who in their right minds, would want to put everything into the stock market.

  175. Birdgal quotes: “Senator Obama is on a horse so high, that when he falls off, his head will explode from the change in airpressure.

    Now that’s change we can live with, lol.

  176. The Mac is back
    By ROGER SIMON | 9/26/08 11:52 PM EDT

    John McCain was very lucky that he decided to show up for the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Friday night. Because he gave one of his strongest debate performances ever.

    While Barack Obama repeatedly tried to link McCain to the very unpopular George W. Bush, Bush’s name will not be on the ballot in November and McCain’s will.

    And McCain not only found a central theme but hit on it repeatedly. Obama is inexperienced, naive, and just doesn’t understand things, McCain said.

    Sure, McCain is a pretty old guy for a presidential candidate, but he showed the old guy did not mind mixing it up. He stood behind a lectern for 90 minutes without a break — you try that when you are 72 — and he not only gave as good as he got, he seemed to relish it more.

    At least twice after sharp attacks by McCain, Obama seemed to look to moderator Jim Lehrer for help, saying to Lehrer, “Let’s move on.”

    True, the majority of the debate was fought on McCain’s strongest ground: foreign affairs. And true, McCain’s feet were not held to the fire as to why he urged the postponement of the debate in order to secure a financial bailout package in Washington, but then decided to show up without any such agreement in hand.

    But it didn’t seem to matter much. McCain just pounded away on his central argument: Obama just didn’t “understand” how to deal with Pakistan; how dangerous it is to meet with foreign leaders without preconditions; how serious the Russian invasion of Georgia was; the price of failure in Iraq.

    “He doesn’t understand, he doesn’t get it,” McCain said of Obama, also saying, “There is a little bit of naiveté here.”

    It was as if McCain was paying Obama back for that moment in Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention when Obama said McCain would not serve America well, “not because John McCain doesn’t care; it’s because John McCain doesn’t get it.”

    But McCain seemed to get it Friday night. He certainly knew enough to try to turn his age into a plus and not a minus. “There are some advantages to experience, knowledge and judgment,” McCain said.

    Obama did not just stand there like a punching bag. He landed some blows of his own. Obama said the financial crisis we are in today is a “final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Sen. McCain.”

    And when McCain delivered a scripted zinger — “Sen. Obama has the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate; it’s hard to reach across the aisle when you’re that far to the left” — Obama replied: “Mostly that’s me opposing George Bush’s wrongheaded policies.”

    Obama eventually realized that McCain had to be attacked not just for his ties to George Bush but also for his own record, and Obama accused McCain of saying the Iraq war “was going to be quick and easy” and that weapons of mass destruction would be found.

    “You were wrong,” Obama said.

    But McCain attacked back. “I understand why Sen. Obama was surprised and saddened that the surge succeeded beyond his wildest expectations,” he said.

    McCain seemed to be enjoying himself. He smiled a lot, mostly when Obama was talking, though his smile was really more like a smirk.

    Debate audiences are the largest audiences the candidates get — far larger than their announcement or convention speeches — and millions of Americans were seeing the two candidates up close and at length for the first time.

    Both avoided their negative stereotypes: Obama did not seem aloof or condescending. McCain did not seem erratic or wild. You could imagine either one of them in the Oval Office, but only one is going to get there.

    “I don’t need any on-the-job training,” McCain said. “I am ready to go at it right now.”

    He certainly seemed like it Friday night.

  177. what is the VP debate concentrating on? energy, I hope…

    I agree, Palin really needs alot of work and I hope someone is coaching her not to get defensive…

  178. henry Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
    Spoke with my mother and she can’t let go of SS concerns which is why she may vote for waffles. She is sixty and plans to retire in a couple of years and that is a concern for her. Don’t even know how much she’d need it but its another one of those things like r v wade that the dimocratic party holds hostages.
    *****************************************************
    Remind her that unless Obama reign in spending inflation will wipe out her SS concerns….Obama is not Hillary or Bill Clinton and he has his own agenda which is raising taxes and increasing foreign aid to almost a trillion dollars.

  179. Bottomline, Obama needed to hit this out of the ballpark, and he didn’t. He is not like other Dem candidates (read white male), he has to overcome his bio (unknown and eclectic for many), his inexperience, his handling of the primary and the Clinton voters and women voters in general. What is sustaining him so far is the Dem brand in this anti-Bush era (and other things like the fawning media and so forth). But with those other advantages he should have been way ahead and he is not.

  180. in my view the debate was a wash. mcainwas best on iraq and iran. powerful in fact. obama was effective on the economy in many ways to me. mcain’s bigest error esp in courting swing voters was his statement on freezing spending expect for military etc… he should have exempted education, medicare etc from that. i live on disability and cuts and freezes freak me out. im emailing my mcain contacts on this. big turnoff. if his base wouldlet him he could have alsosaid he opposed bush’s tax cuts. that hurt him.

  181. I think McCain did admirably tonight. I was nervous..not because I don’t think he has it down only that so much emphasis was put on his doing well. He succeeded in showing his wisdom and Barry looked like a kid next to him…not good.

    I think that CA poll is great! It should have been much more lopsided for Barry. God, wouldn’t it be great if we could flip California?

  182. I think if John McCain would state that under his administration there will be no privitazation of SS it could have a very positive impact. My mother is not one of those who could not live without it but she knows many who cannot. When I was canvassing door to door for Senator Clinton I spoke with many elderly who are terrified of losing it as they relay on it. Not to be harsh but I believe and I could be mistaken that SS is solvent until 2050? Watching tv and the dims you’d think they were just going to cut it off if the repubs get in office.

  183. September 26, 2008
    Analysis: McCain’s experience shows, Obama doesn’t fumble

    AP photo
    The two candidates shake hands and come out fighting.

    Most of the first presidential debate was on terrain familiar and comfortable for John McCain — foreign affairs.

    And it helped the Republican nominee change the subject after a week of terrible economic news and terrible poll results. The Arizona senator liberally dropped the names of world leaders he knew and displayed a detailed knowledge — and strong views — on Iran, Iraq, Russia, Georgia and Ukraine.

    Except for the early portion of the debate, when moderator Jim Lehrer asked about the U.S. financial meltdown, McCain remained on the offensive. He repeatedly questioned his opponent’s experience and judgment. And he expressed strong views on the topics raised by Lehrer.

    Example: On Russia, McCain took a very different view of strongman Vladmir Putin than President Bush, who famously said that he looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul. McCain said that “I looked into Mr. Putin’s eyes and I saw three letters: a K, a G and a B.”

    When it comes to foreign policy issues, Obama “doesn’t understand or doesn’t get it.”

    The Illinois Democrat played pretty effective defense and didn’t make a major goof, but never succeeded in putting McCain on the defensive. Several times, he tried to tie Obama to President Bush, but McCain deflected that by criticizing the current president on issues ranging from U.S. torture policy to Iraq war planning.

    Obama was at his strongest when he talked broadly about the damage to America’s position in the world over the past eight years. He said he hoped to “restore that sense that America is that shining beacon on the hill.”

    The focus will pivot toward domestic issues in coming debates. Let’s see if McCain maintains his comfort level.

    Posted by Richard Dunham at September 26, 2008 10:
    chron.com

  184. meiyingsu Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
    neetabug,

    I think McCain won the debate. how about you?

    _____________________________________________________________________

    Too chicken to watch. Just listen to you guys. I will watch it on c-span i know they will do a rerun

  185. Greta saying a bunch of congregations are going to collectively challange the IRS on Sunday by endorsing from the pulpit.

    Okay I think these churches endorsing should lose their tax exempt status if they follow through with thier threat.

  186. henry: if SS is privatized, at some point, it will not happen over night. There will have to be gradual phase in, and younger people will be effected more, than baby boomers. Plus, there may be only a portion that is privatized. I believe, there will be a gradual phase in, over a matter of years.

  187. meiyingsu Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 12:32 am
    ******************************************

    wow, that was a surprisingly positive article coming from roger simon…especially since he is always so snide and so pro-obama…

    interesting…

  188. what is so sik is that i live on 648 a mo on disability im in my 20s. ths is what the govt gives me to live on fully. medicare pays for most care at least. no poltiican ever talks about the humiliation we folks on ssi have to endure. hillary did and understood. i ry for what we have lost in 2008. i sure wish mccain would touch on this subject. this disabled have ben wayto ignored. so when i hear budget uts and freees it ussually means hell for us below. hell.

  189. S,
    You know they should just have Gov Palin memorize a debate script and only have her responsible for delivering the answers effectively Thursday. Everybody knows from previous debates what the candidates will be asked. For example the moderator will almost certainly bring up Iran, the war in Iraq, Israel, and Georgia v Russia on the foreign affairs front. The economy will obviously be a hot topic along with the usual domestic policy stuff about health care, social security etc. They need to rehearse with her over and over all the responses she’ll likely have to give. I don’t know why they haven’t done that with her before interviews because it’s pretty clear she doesn’t have the knowledge of national issues the other candidates have.

  190. A bunch of AA ministers here in Cleveland went down to the board of elections endorsing O when Hillary was running. The were ranting and raving. It did not work Hillary still won Ohio. I suppose as long as they are not doing it in the chuch it was alright.

  191. I know about SS but its like roe v wade and gay marriage with some people they believe that only the dims will protect thier interest. I have talked til I was blue in the face and gotten nowhere. I was tempted to scream you’ll be long dead before it if ever becomes a reality. My point is I think if Mac said definitively that under his admin he would assuage a lot of fear irrational or not.

  192. no, the minister speaking with greta said they are all endorsing mccain…and that they are churches across the whole country

  193. neetabug
    but they did not do it from the pulpit
    these churches plan on doing it collectively on sunday and from what I heard they are pro McCain.
    It doesn’t matter to me that I agree with thier choice I think its wrong, but I am sure it happens every sun/sat in many churches mosques and synagogues throughout the country.
    I wonder if it will hurt McCain as they are being flagrant and the gov’t must respond.

    Replaying debate on fox now

  194. yes, Nikki22…I hope they really work with her…I am a bit nervous for her and she comes in with the odds against her via the MSM who already have their attack lines ready before she says one word…

    she needs to be deliberate and not quite as folksy…

  195. My Pastor tells everyone to make sure they vote. However there have been pastors in some churches who have told their congregation who to vote for. Some friends of mine have said so.

    This maybe the reason they are doing this. Other churches are doing this and getting away with it.

  196. I wish the IRS would go after them simply for selfish reasons as they’d be to busy and leave me alone.
    Religous institutions have long been the centers in small communities and neighborhoods for discourse. People come together. These preachers are however blatantly challanging the IRS. I don’t see how they can ignore it. OOPS nevermind they will be endorsing McCain so the Big Media will not report.

  197. somewhere in the world tonight is someone that doesn’t give a s#it about this debate

    I think I’ll join them now

    nite all..it was fun and I didn’t even have to get drunk

  198. texan: I work with many people on SSI, and I see them struggle everyday with humilitation and not having enough money to live on. I live in CA, so you can imagine, how high the cost of living is. Many live in group homes, that take just about everything they have coming in, or they live with family members. It is a tough situation. I feel for your situation.

  199. S Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 1:02 am
    no, the minister speaking with greta said they are all endorsing mccain…and that they are churches across the whole country
    **********************

    Well as long as they are for JM I give them a pass untill they start to do the nasty from the pulpit

  200. The majority of the Fox panel with Brit Hume thought McCain won the debate. I agree. Everybody said there were no soundbites, but I loved McCain saying, “I do not already have my White House schedule planned out, and I do not even have my own Presidential Seal.” That is sound bite enough for me.

    After debates with Hillary, these seem run of the mill. I wondered why McCain did not tell why he went to DC -because he was requested by Paulson, because the House Republicans had no input or knowledge of what the deal concocted was, because the nObama minions had put in billions of port and included a handout to ACORN, and because Pelosi and Reid said that they did not want their party to be responsible for passing a very unpopular piece of legislation. It served several purposes: it placed nObama aligned with Bush instead of McCain, it was to kick ass and let the Dems know that the Republicans would stand for no monkeybusiness and stuffed pork, it allowed nObama to show his true colors by causing a meltdown during the meeting, and it showed the nation that nObama would not be allowed to be MIA or to vote present.

  201. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_jTgGeVU4

    this is the clip of Obama responding to mccain saying that he has a braclet too…and then he does not even know the name of the person on the braclet…i am sending this out far and wide because it shows Obama’s character…what a fraud he is…how shameless he is…how insensitive he is…

    there’s mccain telling a poignant story and obama chimes in like he has a token too…it is sickening

  202. I think Sarah Palin will be fine when she debates Biden as long as she puts the people listening at home first. No matter what she does, the media will fry her. While there’s no way she can match Biden’s experience, she has a firm enough grasp on the major issues, the people like her, and she knows how to speak to folks in practical, everyday language. She should play to this strength instead of reciting prerehearsed answers.

    Besides, there’s a better than average possibility that Biden will say something stupid.

  203. birdgal Says: henry: Tell your mother, if SS is privatized, I believe it will affect younger people more than baby boomers.
    ==============

    The sort of changes they’re talking about wouldn’t affect any of the people now getting SS or who will get it for a while. I don’t have the exact dates but I think anyone over 40 or 50 would not be affected.

    And even for those younger, I think it just gives them an option; they can stick with the current plan if they want to.

  204. henry Says:
    Spoke with my mother and she can’t let go of SS concerns which is why she may vote for waffles. She is sixty and plans to retire in a couple of years and that is a concern for her.
    =========

    AARP should have something on this.

    It doesn’t matter what Obama claims to stand for or what the Democratic party used to stand for. Obama will say anything to get elected, but he is a tool of Wall Street, a puppet.

    Look what the Pelosi/Reid ‘Democrats’ are doing now — they want to bail out Wall Street, the GOP says WAll Street has plenty of money and can take care of its own problems.

    The way to help SS is to vote out Obama and his clique, so some real Democrats can take over in 2012.

  205. turndownobama
    I am aware and i doubt my mother is concerned about her own solvency I was just trying to emphasize that for a lot of life long dems they hear repub and they associate that with SS being taken away. Bambi made an issue of it in the primaries even though he knew that there was no danger for a number of years, simply playing to fear.
    anywho have a good night exhausted after watching debate and praying that some media outlet would not favor obama. alas i hit the hay dismayed.

  206. Henry,

    I’m sure you already know all the arguments. I just wanted to get them all in one place here for lurkers who may have the same uncertaities.

    Forgot to explain the point of my post about Obama being a secret tool of Wall Street. The reason this matters is that if SS were in any way ‘privitized’, it is Wall Street that would profit, the money would go there. So if Obama wre elected, Wall Street would make him flip and work for privitization.

  207. The Mac is back
    By: Roger Simon
    September 27, 2008 01:21 AM EST

    John McCain was very lucky that he decided to show up for the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Friday night. Because he gave one of his strongest debate performances ever.

    While Barack Obama repeatedly tried to link McCain to the very unpopular George W. Bush, Bush’s name will not be on the ballot in November and McCain’s will.

    And McCain not only found a central theme but hit on it repeatedly. Obama is inexperienced, naive, and just doesn’t understand things, McCain said.

    Sure, McCain is a pretty old guy for a presidential candidate, but he showed the old guy did not mind mixing it up. He stood behind a lectern for 90 minutes without a break — you try that when you are 72 — and he not only gave as good as he got, he seemed to relish it more.

    At least twice after sharp attacks by McCain, Obama seemed to look to moderator Jim Lehrer for help, saying to Lehrer, “Let’s move on.”

    True, the majority of the debate was fought on McCain’s strongest ground: foreign affairs. And true, McCain’s feet were not held to the fire as to why he urged the postponement of the debate in order to secure a financial bailout package in Washington, but then decided to show up without any such agreement in hand.

    But it didn’t seem to matter much. McCain just pounded away on his central argument: Obama just didn’t “understand” how to deal with Pakistan; how dangerous it is to meet with foreign leaders without preconditions; how serious the Russian invasion of Georgia was; the price of failure in Iraq.

    “He doesn’t understand, he doesn’t get it,” McCain said of Obama, also saying, “There is a little bit of naiveté here.”

    It was as if McCain was paying Obama back for that moment in Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention when Obama said McCain would not serve America well, “not because John McCain doesn’t care; it’s because John McCain doesn’t get it.”

    But McCain seemed to get it Friday night. He certainly knew enough to try to turn his age into a plus and not a minus. “There are some advantages to experience, knowledge and judgment,” McCain said.

    Obama did not just stand there like a punching bag. He landed some blows of his own. Obama said the financial crisis we are in today is a “final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Sen. McCain.”

    And when McCain delivered a scripted zinger — “Sen. Obama has the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate; it’s hard to reach across the aisle when you’re that far to the left” — Obama replied: “Mostly that’s me opposing George Bush’s wrongheaded policies.”

    Obama eventually realized that McCain had to be attacked not just for his ties to George Bush but also for his own record, and Obama accused McCain of saying the Iraq war “was going to be quick and easy” and that weapons of mass destruction would be found.

    “You were wrong,” Obama said.

    But McCain attacked back. “I understand why Sen. Obama was surprised and saddened that the surge succeeded beyond his wildest expectations,” he said.

    McCain seemed to be enjoying himself. He smiled a lot, mostly when Obama was talking, though his smile was really more like a smirk.

    Debate audiences are the largest audiences the candidates get — far larger than their announcement or convention speeches — and millions of Americans were seeing the two candidates up close and at length for the first time.

    Both avoided their negative stereotypes: Obama did not seem aloof or condescending. McCain did not seem erratic or wild. You could imagine either one of them in the Oval Office, but only one is going to get there.

    “I don’t need any on-the-job training,” McCain said. “I am ready to go at it right now.”

    He certainly seemed like it Friday night.

    © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC

  208. Not that this means much, but on Drudge Report, after 201,000 votes its McC – 65%, O – 32%, tie -2%

    I couldn’t bring myself to watch – first, I overslept and then I listened to O bloviate and I wanted to scream “No, No, NO!” when he was ummmm misspeaking. So I turned the channel.

  209. Hello, everybody:

    I have always voted for the Democratic candidate for president I couldn’t wait until Bush was gone so a Democrat could get back in the White House. I supported HIllary, as did many of my friends here in Ohio. But when I saw what happened to Hillary, and how she was disrespected and treated unfairly by Obama and the media, I became irate. It wasn’t fair. I couldn’t stand Obama, nor his aid, Gibb, with that awful smirk of his. Then as we got closer to November, I started imagining voting for Obama, particularly after the financial crisis. Now the media is back to its old tricks and slamming McCain, no matter what he does, as well as Pallin. They act like McCain is the devil incarnate. I couldn’t wait until the debate. I am trying to be as objective as possible now that I’ve seen it. I even taped it so I could watch it again. My analysis is that McCain absolutely blew Obama away. No contest. I was so impressed. I think the media has it wrong. It was not Obama’s to lose, and that all he had to do was not look aloof or fall on his face. What the media has totally missed the boat on is this: They have shown Obama on tv so much, nobody knew McCain. He just looked like an old, 72-year-old guy from a distance. This debate is the first time the public got to see McCain at length talking about the issues. WOW!!!! He not only spoke with tremendous insight and intellegence (I had to keep reminding myself he is 72), but he spoke with PASSION. There are many Reagan Democrats in Ohio, and I can tell you for a fact that they LOVE a fighter. If they think you are going to fight for them, and show guts, you will win Ohio. That’s why Hillary did so well here. And that’s what McCain showed. Yet the media totally missed it. I can’t believe on CNN that they noted that McCain stumbled in pronouncing the Iranian leader’s name. OMG!!! That’s all they could criticize? And, of course, they had absolutely no criticism of Obama. I thought Obama looked terrible. I really do. When McCain would blow him away with an incredible answer, full of history and detail, showing the incredible grasp he has on the issues, Obama had a look of a deer caught in the headlights. He knew he was outclassed. That’s when he said, “Yeah. I agree with Sen. McCain.” He did that with Hillary, too. Very lame. I really was hoping it would go the other way because I was leaning toward Obama. Obama looked aloof, childish – and not very smart. He could not talk details, as usual. Can someone tell my why the media keeps saying Obama is very smart? Even O’Reilly said that after his interview with him. This guy is NOT smart. How the hell did he get this far, I will never know. His performace was very weak and disappointing. To be honest, though, I think Obama scored some points, too. He did have moments when he looked more relaxed, and that is a big deal. McCain was too tight. He needs to lighten up a bit. Chris Matthews kept calling him a “troll,” which I thought was terrible. Obama also hit home about the enormous waste of time, money, and lives in Iraq. He was pretty eloquent about that. Again, I could see myself drifting back to him. But then McCain made me feel safe, and, again, he spoke with passion, and came across as a fighter. I think people are tired of hearing Obama say, “I was right about Iraq.” Ok. So you were right. But what are you going to do about it now that we’ve stepped into it? McCain is a pragmatist and addresses this. I think the media is going to be surprised when Gallup’s tracking poll shows McCain pulling ahead. I am now leaning towards McCain. I am one of those independents who is undecided. I know for a fact I will not know who I’m going to vote for until I got into the voting booth. But if McCain’s next two debates are as good as his first one (He HAS to reiterate over and over and over how much of a maverick he is. It really resonates, and he has the record to prove it), I’m going to vote for a Republican for the first time in my life.

  210. When Barak made that stupid bracelet comment, I said Bracelet? Yeah well I’ve also got a Super Secret Decoder Ring!” from the Frosties box.

    The man devalued that Mothers pride by belittling it.

  211. Looks like McCain blowout

    McCain and Obama spar in first debate [“McCain won on points”]

    BBC and they are so left wing biased its unbelievable.

    According to voters the expectations last night were on Obama, he was expected to beat McCain in the debate and he didnt, thats gonna leave a mark. CNN’s poll before the debate said 59 to 39 that Obama should perform better and he didnt. So McCain really won the expectations game.

  212. moononpluto Says:
    When Barak made that stupid bracelet comment, I said Bracelet? Yeah well I’ve also got a Super Secret Decoder Ring!” from the Frosties box.
    ==========

    I got “Hey, wow! AXelrod told McCain would talk about his bracelet and gave me a bracelet to show, and here’s the time to show it! I’ve really learned my script! Good for me!”

    He was so busy thinking “Gotcha!” that he forgot the name.

  213. Don’t you think, that when Obama didn’t know the name on his bracelet, it was an embarrassing moment for him?

    In fact I was enraged.

  214. turndownobama-com as far as any privatization of Social Security – this won’t affect any current recipients or anyone who is paying in now. This would be optional except for young people. I honestly think a Democrat would be most likely to push and pass privatization of Social Security. Bill Clinton got rid of welfare pretty much. I don’t think a Republican could have pulled it off. I think the Democratic Congress will fight McCain if he tries to do it. It is more likely with Obama with a Democratic Congress. I don’t believe anything he says and he will tell anyone anything to get elected.

  215. John McCain gives Barack Obama a master class in foreign policy

    Telegraph

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/nile_gardiner/blog/2008/09/27/john_mccain_gives_barack_obama_a_master_class_in_foreign_policy

    John McCain emerged the clear victor from last night’s U.S. presidential debate on foreign policy. With the swagger and aggression of an experienced prizefighter, McCain laid punch after punch on his Democrat opponent, after a shaky start discussing the Wall Street financial crisis. After recovering from the opening 20 minutes which focused on economic issues, McCain was in his element discussing the biggest international questions of the day, from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the looming threats posed by Iran and Russia.

    The Arizona Senator exuded confidence and experience, while pouring scorn on Obama’s pledge to sit down with Iranian tyrant Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or his failure to take an immediate strong stance against Moscow when Russian tanks poured into Georgia. McCain reeled off a long list of international leaders he had met in his long career as well as recounting his numerous trips to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Caucasus.

    At times, Obama looked more like a freshman in his first debate at the Oxford Union than a candidate for president of the United States. His answers frequently appeared wooden, stilted and over-rehearsed. His knowledge of international affairs came across as superficial, and at times seemed nervously snatched from the pages of a college textbook. McCain spoke overwhelmingly from personal knowledge with an extensive and expansive understanding of modern history. For a 72-year old, Senator McCain looked sharper, more nimble and quick-footed than his far younger opponent.

  216. newshound Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 4:37 am
    ****************************************

    and newshound…in addition to all you said…mccain came across as SINCERE…besides honor, Obama lacks sincerity…

    McCain has a lifetime of experience where he has earned his honor and sincerity…Obama has his ambition…and he is in a big hurry…

    …such a hurry that he will seek to destroy anyone that gets in his way, including Bill and Hillary Clinton…

    …he is an Obama dem…we cannot reward him for the division, pain and destruction he has caused…

  217. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 4:55 am
    moononpluto Says:
    When Barak made that stupid bracelet comment, I said Bracelet? Yeah well I’ve also got a Super Secret Decoder Ring!” from the Frosties box.
    ==========

    I got “Hey, wow! AXelrod told McCain would talk about his bracelet and gave me a bracelet to show, and here’s the time to show it! I’ve really learned my script! Good for me!”

    He was so busy thinking “Gotcha!” that he forgot the name.

    ******************************************************

    yeah, i guess that was one of the zingers to put mccain on the defense that major garrett was warning us that the obama camp had planned…

    …looks like it backfired and made him look petty, small and crude

  218. Thats all over, i’ve had 3 people so far out of 4 this morning say “Hey, you got a bracelet too” ripping the piss out of Obama.

  219. I noticed this too…..

    radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/09/debate-barack-obamas-most-important.html

    What could be said that hasn’t already been said, and said by more astute pundits than myself? Well, there is one little thing. One little sentence that sticks out in my mind and just will not go away. One small phrase which Obama uttered that to me has more significance than everything else he stated during this contest. And here it is: “America is the greatest country in the world, but–” But what….

  220. Great timing, right before the foreign policy debate

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=cdc68576-ba1a-4ef5-8e41-eecaed5ec6b6

    ARLINGTON, VA — U.S. Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign today announced that 300 retired generals and admirals from around the country are endorsing John McCain for president. The retired generals and admirals announced their support with the following letter:

    “We have had the honor and privilege of serving as career officers in the United States Armed Forces, and of serving shoulder to shoulder with so many of the fine young men and women who are the backbone of America’s Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. It is that experience that informs our judgment that John McCain is the presidential candidate best suited to serve as America’s Commander-in Chief from the day of his inauguration.

  221. Here we go….you knew it was coming, now voters do you really want a twerp like Obama dealing with these guys.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4833037.ece

    Russia to build missile defence shield and renew nuclear deterrence (Russia joins StarWars)

    Russia is to build new space and missile defence shields and put its armed forces on permanent combat alert, President Medvedev announced yesterday.

    In a sharp escalation of military rhetoric, Mr Medvedev ordered a wholesale renovation of Russia’s nuclear deterrence and told military chiefs to draw up plans to reorganise the armed forces by December.

    He said that Russia must modernise its nuclear defences within eight years, including the creation of a “system of air and space defence”.

    The announcement puts Russia in a new arms race with the United States, which has infuriated the Kremlin by seeking to establish an anti-missile shield in eastern Europe. The US argues that the shield is aimed at rogue states such as Iran, but Russia is convinced that its own security is threatened.

    Mr Medvedev told military commanders that “all combat formations must be upgraded to the permanent readiness category” by 2020. He added that Russia would begin “mass production of warships, primarily nuclear cruisers carrying cruise missiles and multi-purpose submarines”.

    “A guaranteed nuclear deterrent system for various military and political circumstances must be provided by 2020,” he said after attending military exercises in the southern Urals region of Orenburg.

    Tensions with the West have soared to new levels since Russia’s war with Georgia last month. Mr Medvedev told army chiefs that the conflict showed that “a war can flare up suddenly and can be absolutely real”.

  222. moononpluto
    I guess someone forgot to tell Obama what the purpose of wearing the braclet is and by not remembering the name he has missed the point entirely.

  223. Nah i reckon it was a ploy and it backfired spectacularly, it smacked of schoolyard, well i have a ball too, I dont need your bracelet, nah ne nah ne nah nah.

  224. It actually showed how little it meant to Obama and it was a shameful thing, he did not even know the dead soldiers name. Thats what i find shocking and disgusting.

    I hope it demonstrated exactly our point that Obama treats our soldiers and dead one with contempt.

  225. I was not going to vote for him to begin with, but being a veteran that display would have been a deal breaker. It goes to the fact he fails to understand what true patriotism and patriots mean to Americans.

  226. Obama looked such a twat for the way he kept going “John is right” thats one thing you do not do, convince everyone else your opponent is right. It makes it so much easier for them to vote for them.

    McCain will have an ad out, saying, Hillary said McCain was right, so did Biden, Barack Obama now agrees, McCain is right.

    What a dunce.

  227. I was not going to vote for him to begin with, but being a veteran that display would have been a deal breaker. It goes to the fact he fails to understand what true patriotism and patriots mean to Americans.


    Oh I agree. All the pundits keep saying neither did harm, McCain did better but there was no on liner, nothing they said or did that will harm them. I disagree, that was glaring. Now I am a military wife, so maybe I am biased, but I think that braclet fiasco is going to be the talk among the military community for a while, the water cooler talk so to speak. I expect to see that all over you tube too. I really believe that could cost him. We’ll see if the rest of America agrees with us.

  228. birdgal Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 12:31 am
    henry: Tell your mother, if SS is privatized, I believe it will affect younger people more than baby boomers. I may be wrong, but it takes time to change such a complex system around, and for funds to build up. Younger people have the time, older people do not. I might be completely wrong, and if I am, please correct me. Bo has not ruled out privatization. He is telling older citizens that McCain wants to do this, when it isn’t real clear that is the plan. Plus, with this big Wall Street bailout, who in their right minds, would want to put everything into the stock market.

    –Birdgal I think you are totally right. When the talk was about privitization a fews ago they made it very clear it would not effect retired seniors, they would have the traditional SS. THey go by people born after a certain date. I was born in 1967 and at that time I just made it into the line, it will start with people who are young enough that they have time for it to build. I could very well not be included in the privatization if it comes.

  229. Lin67, I agree,

    I was very anoyed at the whole tart response from Obama on the bracelet. McCain gave a heartfelt account of how he got it and all Obama could do was to blurt, well I got one too and then couldnt seem to remember the soldiers name. Disrespect on a grand scale. Obama played a pissy schoolyard, well I got a super secret frosties box decoder ring nah nah nah. It looked bad and i’ve heard talk about it today, people found it disrespectful. If thats how he respects the soldiers alive and dead then I have no time for him and neither will military voters, how can military voters trust a man who has so little respect for them.

  230. Whoa, Another Weatherman Terrorist found working for Obama.

    Former weatherman Mark Rudd, who worked closely with William Ayers is a signer with the group, ”Progressives for Obama“.

    Communists, socialists, anarchists also part of political organization

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76234

    One of the main founders of the Weathermen terrorist organization is a signatory to an independent organization acting to ensure the election of Sen. Barack Obama, WND has learned.

    The group in question, Progressives for Obama, also includes among its ranks many former members of the 1960s radical organization Students for a Democratic Society, from which the Weathermen splintered, as well as current and former members of other radical organizations, such as the Communist Party USA and the Black Radical Congress.

    In its creed, first published in March in the Nation magazine, the Progressives for Obama founders state their organization descended from the “proud tradition of independent social movements that have made America a more just and democratic country.”

    Among the signatories and endorsers to Progressives for Obama is Mark Rudd, one of the main founders of the Weathermen terrorist organization. Rudd worked closely for years with Weathermen terrorist William Ayers, whose association with Obama has generated controversy for the presidential candidate.

    Rudd originally was a top member of the Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS, leading the famed 1968 Columbia University strikes in which hundreds of students seized several university buildings. He also served as spokesman for the strikes, attracting international media attention.

    In 1968, Rudd traveled with the SDS to Cuba, defying U.S. travel bans, where he says he was heavily influenced by the legacy of Che Guevara and by Cuban-style revolution. When he returned to the U.S., Rudd advocated for Columbia’s chapter of the SDS to carry out militant, aggressive action, but he was turned down.

  231. Debate reactions….

    h t t p : / / tammybruce.com/2008/09/ive_got_a_bracelet_too_1.php

    “I’ve got a bracelet too”

    A post by Maynard

    Events such as this are occasionally punctuated be a defining moment. It’s the thing you remember long after the rest of the details are lost to the haze of time. This does not predict what happens next. But whatever may come, the fragment retains the spirit of the whole.

    Here are a couple of examples. If you were there, these words will carry you back to days gone by.

    When Ronald Reagan debated Walter Mondale, it was “I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

    When Lloyd Bentsen debated Dan Quayle, it was “Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy.”

    When George Bush debated John Kerry, it was “You forgot Poland.”

    I predict that, for the rest of your life, you won’t hear the phrase “I’ve got a bracelet too” without your mind flying back to what you saw tonight.

    I’m not saying that Obama “lost” the debate at this point. The ill wind that propels him is not going to vanish away. But I think this cuts to the heart of the contest. It captures the image of Obama as the junior wannabe, struggling to make of himself a strained and pathetic imitation of the real man that stood across from him. People will see it that way, whether they realize it or not.

    Remember this. The human creature is a poet at heart. We respond to imagery and metaphor, even at times when we should focus on hard facts alone. Obama’s strength lies in his fantasy image. His reality is atrocious. If the illusion falters, Obama will crumple like the empty suit he is.

    As a practical matter, you can now terminate an annoying political exchange by evincing a childish sneer while simpering, “Yeah, well I’ve got a bracelet too. Nyah!”

    Posted by Maynard · September 26, 2008 11:00 PM

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    h t t p : / / neoconlatina.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-ive-got-bracelet-too.html

    Friday, September 26, 2008

    Obama: “I’ve Got a Bracelet Too!”

    After a mediocre first half hour, I thought McCain really started to outclass Obama. McCain came across as a savvy, well-tested leader. This guy is an adult. He knows what he’s talking about. That was the impression I got. Not so for Obama. He almost seemed like a child in awe of McCain. Whatever McCain said, Obama would instantly agree. “John is absolutely right.” “I agree with John.” You can see what I mean in this new McCain ad on YouTube.

    But the silliest moment was Obama’s “I’ve got a bracelet too” remark. McCain had just gotten through explaining how the bracelet he wears every day was given to him by a fallen soldier’s mother and serves as a constant reminder of the commitment he made that he would not let her son’s death be in vain. Obama’s rejoinder? “I’ve got a bracelet too!” How lame. It reminded me of a little kid jealous that his big bro is getting all of mommy’s attention. “I’ve got a bracelet too, mommy! Look at me! Look at me!”

    Silly as that was, the most telling moment for Obama may actually have been precipitated by a McCain gaffe. It began when McCain criticized Obama for failing to support Senator Kyl’s resolution to declare Iran’s “Republican Guard” a terrorist organization. Now, it’s not a major gaffe, but the “Republican Guard” was in Iraq; the group to which McCain referred is called the “Revolutionary Guard.” But Obama — ever unsure of himself — then repeated the mistake and also made reference to the “Republican Guard in Iran.”

    You got the feeling Obama was thinking to himself, “Republican Guard? Well, if John said it, it must be right.”

    at 9:41 PM

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    h t t p : / / http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/jim_ive_got_a_bracelet_too.asp

    ‘Jim, I’ve Got a Bracelet, Too.’

    Wow, that is not how Obama should have followed up on John McCain’s poignant and personal story about a mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, who asked McCain not to let her son’s death be “in vain.” I’ve got to believe that sound bite did not sit well with many people listening— pro-mission families who’ve lost loved ones in Iraq, many soldiers currently in the region, or Vietnam vets who identify with McCain’s regrets about defeatism in that conflict and don’t desire to repeat it.

    It characterized most of the discussion about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, which had McCain sounding like a smart statesman and Obama sounding rather petulant and stuck in the past. He has repeatedly seemed the teacher to Obama’s student by talking about Iraq’s impact on the rest of the region, claiming the success of the surge and the fact that it is now the same strategy (that Obama once opposed) that will work in Afghanistan.

    The discussion of Pakistan came with a direct scold about Obama’s position on carrying out attacks within Pakistan:

    “George Schultz once said that if you put a gun to man’s head, you better be ready to pull the trigger. I’m not ready to cut off funding to Pakistan, so I’m not ready to threaten them, as Barack Obama is.”

    Posted by Mary Katharine Ham on September 26, 2008 09:59 PM |

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    h t t p : / / yargb.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-have-bracelet-too.html

    Friday, September 26, 2008

    I have a bracelet too!!!

    “It was given to me by the mother of… um… ah… just a minute… (squint, squint)… uh…. Sgt. Made in China.”

    What an idiot. I can’t believe he actually had to read the name off the bracelet on national TV.

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    http://www.lithman.net/2008/09/i-have-a-bracelet-too/

    27 Sep

    I have a bracelet too!!

    Posted by: David Lithman

    Obama must have had flash backs from his 1st grade class president debate. If you’re going to act like a spoiled child and say “me too me too!” at least remember the name of the soldier’s whose bracelet you’ve supposedly been wearing!

  232. I understand there were few “You’re no Jack Kennedy!” moments. So let’s hope that TV pundits choose “I have a bracelet too…for umm whats-his- name” It’s SOOOO Barack!!!!

  233. Biden is inventing history again, did the whole world miss Obama and Biden solving Iraq, gee, i must have been in the toilet.

    http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/27/biden-us-is-succeeding-in-iraq-because-pe/

    Biden: “U.S. is succeeding in Iraq because Petraeus is implementing the plan Barack and I came up with”

    CNN last night

    Biden: (at 0:18) “The fact of the matter is, the only thing succeeding in Iraq right now is the plan that Barack and I talked about that Petraeus is implementing — giving local control in the very areas with a limited central government.”

    This comes as news to everybody who has followed events in Iraq and the political debates surrounding events and strategy there, including myself

  234. Its Bush all over again in 92, looking at his watch during the debate, they say thats the point he pretty much lost the election

  235. Below is a comment on the telegraph article Moon linked earlier. I have been searching for a word to describe Obama all this season. Many like thug, fraud, narcissist, and so on come to mind. But as this poster writes the word is Undignified , undignified at how he has conducted himself in the primary, in the campaign now and in his very attempt at this contest at this time.

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/nile_gardiner/blog/2008/09/27/john_mccain_gives_barack_obama_a_master_class_in_foreign_policy

    Nile, you were paying closer attention than Toby was. Or, maybe, us old-timers have a more careful feel for the international relations–basing it on historic, ethnographic, and experiential factors. It’s too easy to substitute desired results for realpolitik. Only really junior-class folk like Obama would do that. Obama would have walked into the Presidency, if he had had the dignity to wait four or eight years.

  236. About the bracelet…

    You can put lipstick on a pig but he is still a pig..

    {You can coach him, make him rehearse his lines, prep him for a week without distraction, ween him off his teleprompter addiction, and try to instill class and dignity in him, though I don’t think his handlers have any, but he can’t help but reveal himself in unguarded moments and the bracelet moment was one such.}

  237. Ruh Roh for Obama

    Did Obama Have a ‘Bush Looking At His Watch’ Moment Tonight?

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmRiMDZkZjk5OTJkOTgyYjY4NGZjNTQ1ODA4ZjcyNGM=

    I wonder if we had a “Bush looking at his watch” moment tonight.

    After McCain talked about the bracelet from the mother of a slain soldier, Obama mentioned that he had one, too.

    Unfortunately, it would seem that he didn’t have the name of the solder, Ryan David Jopek (sp?), quite on the tip of his tongue. He seems to have to read the name off the bracelet:

  238. Debate last nite has brought out the true goals of MSM and yes it also includes FOX and the likes of Colmes and lardass Morris.Fox has just about reached its goal of network domination.They are now ready for the finale,GET THE HUSTLER ELECTED.FOX is just asevil as the other members of this grand coupe to take over the country’s minds dollars and future.1984 folks it is all but set up and the Wall Street fiasco is right on schedule.We are now in a state of disbelief weakness disarray financial failure confusion fear of the future for our families and being subjected to the threat retribution if we fight back at the dismantling of our country and our precious democracy.Just stop and compare the fate of the German democracy with the fate we are facing and the loss of our freedoms for generations to come.The germans were fortunate to have usand our allies to to fight for their and the worlds survival.Remember or read history you disinterested and young people It all started about money and the power it can bring to those that can control its flow through their evil hands and plans.Total disgust is what drives me to fight and try to enlighten those that refuse to pay attention or care to the evil segment of history that is being unfolded before our eyes.The Hustler is the greatest danger that this country has in store if he is empowered as he dreams of.The MSM WALL STREETand our evil politicians have created him just for this grandiose scheme and then will discard him like last weeks lunch meat left in the car.Hold your noses folks for he is about to be coronated and all we hold dear in this country will be up for sale to the highest bidders.You weak spineless cowards that call yourselves journalists advisers pundits have betrayed all who have given their lives to make us all the pride of this world and have spurned destroyed and shunned the one and only person that is qualified to lead us out of this consiracy and quagmire conditions that you have all allowed to happen.HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON is out there ready and waiting to lead us back to sanity and hope.

    By ABM90 I will never give up.Join me

  239. Did anyone else notice that Obama called Senator McCain, Jim, Tom, and John, not Senator McCain, last night.

    He forgot McCains name several times.

    Now who’s the senile old man, Obama.

  240. MSM getting a backbone

    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/26/in-wh-meeting-obama-muddied-waters/

    In WH Meeting, Obama Muddied Waters

    Media reports are emerging from sources inside the White House meeting between the Administration and Congressional leaders of both parties. Contrary to the narrative Democrats are pushing, that Sen. John McCain’s presence at the negotiations slowed the process down, reports are that it was Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic leadership that interjected partisan politics into the negotiations over a financial bailout of Wall Street. Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) conspired with allies inside the Treasury Department to ambush minority Republicans at the meeting, causing the talks to devolve into a partisan shouting match.

    Sen. McCain, on the other hand, did not take a high profile role at the White House meeting. He did not take a position on either the Administration’s proposal, or the House Republicans’ alternative. Rather, he listened to all sides, and spent the remainder of the evening in shuttle diplomacy between House and Senate Republicans, searching for a way to find common ground in their positions.

    go read it all………..Obama was the one who disrupted everything.

  241. The True Story: What Really Happened at the White House
    September 26, 2008

    RUSH: Now, folks, I want to tell you what happened at the White House meeting yesterday, and you are going to be stunned. You wouldn’t believe it. Well, sadly, you will believe this. At the meeting, you had McCain and Obama, you had John Boehner, you had Dingy Harry Reid, you had Barney Frank. Chris Dodd was in there. Pelosi was in there. There were some others, but these are the principals. The meeting ostensibly was requested by McCain. Well, no, the meeting was originally requested by Paulson. Remember, Paulson — and this is crucial here. Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, called Lindsey Grahamnesty. This according to Bob Schieffer of CBS.

    Paulson called Lindsey Grahamnesty and said, “Look, I need the House Republicans. I need Republicans on this. We can’t get anywhere without them. You’ve gotta call McCain. He’s the only one that can do it.” So that’s why McCain goes to Washington, and they end up having a four o’clock meeting at the White House yesterday. They all think they’re going into a negotiating session. The president, in order to let everybody be heard, deferred to various Democrats, and every one of the Democrats — Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Frank — declined to speak and deferred to Obama. So Obama became the official Democrat spokesman in the meeting. This was to hype Obama’s leadership and presidential aura and so forth. What happened next, the first thing out of Obama’s mouth — Paulson is in the meeting — is he starts ripping the House Republican proposal and asks Paulson what he thinks of it.

    This led Boehner and the other Republicans in there to think they have been sandbagged. We found out this morning that Obama had no clue — because he was in transit doing other things, he had no clue — what the House Republican position was. What happened was that on the way to the meeting sometime during the day, Obama’s staff received an e-mail from Treasury Department employees who work for Paulson detailing the House Republican plan. So when the Democrats deferred to Obama, he launched into that. He had no clue what it was. That’s why he asked Paulson for his comments. I don’t know what Paulson said, but this is what led to the fireworks. This is what led to everything breaking down in there. This is why Dingy Harry walked out, ’cause it didn’t work.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092608/content/01125107.guest.html

  242. hi guys!

    thank you for this site!

    I thought Mccain did great! after the way the media treated hillary, I watched the debate, and turned off the TV. I have my own mind and own opinion, and its free!
    I don’t need some overgrown, overpaid puppets letting me what to think.

    BTW: HillaryforTexas, what did Lady Lynn say this morning? I missed her on Fox. thanks

  243. henry Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
    Spoke with my mother and she can’t let go of SS concerns which is why she may vote for waffles. She is sixty and plans to retire in a couple of years and that is a concern for her. Don’t even know how much she’d need it but its another one of those things like r v wade that the dimocratic party holds hostages.

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    Remind her that Hillary also put forth a option for younger workers to opted out a small % for government back funds just like the republicans.

  244. This bracelet thing is everywhere, read the comments people noticed him reading the name off.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_tale_of_two_bracelets_130928.htm

    Barack Obama made one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care if we win or lose the war in Iraq.

    “Nobody’s talking about defeat in Iraq,” Obama said – trying desperately to make John McCain stop talking about the single most important decision of Obama’s very short career in the US Senate.

    That was whether, during the most hopeless days of the war in Iraq, we should send in added troops to turn the tide of American bloodshed and stamp out the rise of terror in a country we had long before decided to invade.

    Choosing certain defeat, Obama said no to the surge.

    It wasn’t his war. Why should he sacrifice some of his political capital just to avoid an American military defeat? All the blood sacrificed by our soldiers wasn’t on his hands.

    For Obama, the war going badly had been a great political boon. His early opposition to it had gotten him noticed.

  245. This bracelet thing is everywhere, read the comments people noticed him reading the name off.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_tale_of_two_bracelets_130928.htm

    Barack Obama made one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care if we win or lose the war in Iraq.

    “Nobody’s talking about defeat in Iraq,” Obama said – trying desperately to make John McCain stop talking about the single most important decision of Obama’s very short career in the US Senate.

  246. I have been thinking that McCain’s camp may be setting Biden up with Palin’s Couric interview. She came across as being unsteady, well let’s just say unprepared. Now that expectations for her debate performance are at rock bottom she is going to shock him. Remember this is Joe Biden he will say at least one and possibly several outrageous things during the debate for Sarah to jump on and make him look foolish.

  247. for some reason, the link from NY post wont be accepted.

    This bracelet thing is everywhere, read the comments people noticed him reading the name off.

    Barack Obama made one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care if we win or lose the war in Iraq.

    “Nobody’s talking about defeat in Iraq,” Obama said – trying desperately to make John McCain stop talking about the single most important decision of Obama’s very short career in the US Senate.

    That was whether, during the most hopeless days of the war in Iraq, we should send in added troops to turn the tide of American bloodshed and stamp out the rise of terror in a country we had long before decided to invade.

    Choosing certain defeat, Obama said no to the surge.

    It wasn’t his war. Why should he sacrifice some of his political capital just to avoid an American military defeat? All the blood sacrificed by our soldiers wasn’t on his hands.

    For Obama, the war going badly had been a great political boon. His early opposition to it had gotten him noticed.

    And his unwavering opposition is why he beat Hillary Clinton in the primary.

    John McCain, who knows something about military defeat, made a different decision. It was an unpopular one – and it came during the darkest days of his campaign.

    Still, McCain lashed himself to the sinking ship that was the war in Iraq and voted for the surge.

    He’d rather win a war and lose and election than lose a war, McCain said more times than we can remember.

    Today, of course, Iraq is a much different place. It is far more peaceful than even the biggest war proponents dare imagine just a year ago. And Obama, after months of hemming and hawing, finally acknowledged the unavoidable: that the surge succeeded beyond his wildest imagination.

    Yet, amazingly, he also says he still wouldn’t have supported the surge.

    One of last night’s most telling moments came when McCain revealed a wristband that had belonged to a soldier killed in Iraq given to him by the soldier’s mother. Do everything in your power, the mother told McCain, to make sure “my son’s death was not in vain.”

    “I’ve got a bracelet, too,” Obama said – given to him by the mother of a dead soldier who asked Obama to “make sure that another mother’s not going through what I’m going through.”

    Here lies the difference between these two men:

    Obama will accept defeat if continuing on hurts too much. For McCain, any mission where defeat is an option is a mission not worth fighting in the first place.

    Comments

    Kim wrote:
    What made Obama’s “I’ve got a bracelet, too” moment so hard to watch is that he couldn’t remember the soldier’s name for whom he was wearing it. He had to look down to read the soldier’s name off the bracelet.
    9/27/2008 8:56 AM EDT

    arhooley wrote:
    “My bracelet can beat up your bracelet” was pathetic.
    9/27/2008 8:56 AM EDT

  248. All we need is Colbert, SNL and late night shows to hit Obama for it and it will not go away.
    I can see new bumper stickers popping up “I’ve Got a Bracelet Too”

  249. How does one e-mail Bill Clinton? I think it’s time he heard from his and Hill’s supporters that they have to stop propping up someone as corrupt as BO.

    Do they know about ACORN? Are they aware that the Dem leadership has been lying about the bailout and the bailout meeting? I want to know what is so urgent about getting a Dem president if they are loading a bailout with pork and not looking out for us.

  250. *More reactions……

    h t t p : / / keithjonz.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-have-bracelet-too.html

    Friday, September 26, 2008

    “I have a bracelet too..”

    “I have a bracelet too…” What? Are you serious? I couldn’t help but laugh! If there was a sound bite for the night, that was one of them. Another was when Obama was talking about Iran. He made several missteps, until McCain finally jumped in over the top of him and humorously joked that Obama would sit across from Iran and listen to their foolish talk about Israel and say, oh no you won’t. I thought those played very much in McCain’s favor.

    More importantly, time and time again McCain came across as having a tremendous amount of experience on national defense and foreign policy. He repeatedly mentioned trips he had taken to different countries and regions and referenced world leaders by name. Obama came off very weak, very naive on the whole thing.

    Obama did not fall on his face. He was obviously prepared and spoke very well, even without the prompter, which is a really big breakthrough for him. However, he also said several times that he agreed with McCain, which helped to give a visual example of the reality that McCain is a leader and Obama is a nice, naive, extremely liberal guy who would have done much better if he would have waited 8 – 12 years while he gained some real experience and had a chance to step up and develop some leadership, which he is sorely lacking.

    In short, McCain won handily. It wasn’t a knock out, but it was definitely a clear victory.

    BTW, I’m switching back and forth between MSNBC and FNC and the libs and conservatives are all saying the same thing. McCain 1 Obama 0.

    ***Update: Olbermann trying to spin that Obama did good, although he definitely isn’t saying that Obama won. This guy is absolutely ridiculous and is trying to say that McCain claimed Pakistan is a failed state, but what McCain SAID was that before Musharraf took over Pakistan in a military coupe, it was a failed state. True statement. Olbermann is extremely dishonest.

    ***Update: Olbermann actually said there is no doubt that McCain won the debate. WOW!! I just about fell off of my couch! He even mentioned (with shame all over his face) the “I have a bracelet too…” line. For a smidgen of a moment I had respect for Olbermann. Don’t worry it passed.

    Posted by KeithJonesBlog at 7:46 PM

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    h t t p : / / chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/2008/09/ive-got-bracelet-too-but-i-have-to.html

    Friday, September 26, 2008

    I’ve Got a Bracelet Too (but I have to check my cheat sheet for the soldier’s name)

    Round One is over and I thought McCain nailed it. He was clear, straight forward and to the point. Obama kept twisting around his answers and some how ended up talking about education. Obama lost big points for his behavior and mannerisms – the interrupting and the facial expressions. No surprise Juan Williams thinks The One was the winner. Obama needs to find some new people to prep him for debates – if that’s all he got out of almost a week of intensive training, it was pretty weak.

    My one wish – when Obama said “your president” I wish McCain had pointed out that if Obama was a citizen of the US, President Bush is his President too.

    UPDATE…
    McCain already has an ad out – damn they are fast….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

    Obama’s camp is saying that McCain is stuck in the past by bringing up his experience and Obama shows that he is all about change. Dear Lord that is WEAK!!!!

    Posted by Robin at 10:41 PM

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    h t t p : / / saint-kit.livejournal.com/58204.html

    I have a bracelet too!

    26th-Sep-2008 11:22 pm

    Something just struck me as I rewatch the debate, Obama is a petulant child. Obama was quite rude, and I sense his fancy education didn’t cover debate etticute ’cause …yeesh. My coach would have a heart attack. So much for that poise with the teleprompter gone. And he doesn’t seem to comprehend when it isn’t his turn to speak, which is driving me nuts. McCain not looking at him is much like when a parent just ignored the child throwing a tantrum till the kid learns he’s not getting attention.

    I think McCain lost a lot of opportunity to school Obama in the first half, but the boy was rather soundly trounced in the second half. It’s tiring to listen to Obama change topics mid-way through his answer to something he actually knew about. I think this was a glimpse of how much Obama actually doesn’t understand. Also, that braclet quote, hilarious.

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    h t t p : / / congenitallychallenged.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/hip-2-b-square/

    {September 27, 2008}

    It’s late, but I can’t sleep yet…too much thinking.

    First the debates, of which I really got irked at someone’s “Well, I’ve got a bracelet, too!” comment. Personally, as a member of a military family I think it sounded belittling of one of our own’s LIFE with that wording, and felt it was crude and unsensitive. He certainly could have said “Well, I care, too…” and gone on from there to explain…but he didn’t. For someone who tries to be such a wordsmith at times (when he is successfully reading his teleprompter), it’s very eye opening when one is forced to ad lib on their own.

  251. Better not bank on Barney Frank He brought the (fiscal) house down

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1120930

    “I want [Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae] to help with affordable housing, to help low-income families get loans and to help clean up this subprime mess. Otherwise, why should they exist?”

    – Rep. Barney Frank, earlier this month.

    The Subprime Panic of ’08 and its $1 trillion (and rising!) price tag is too big to blame on any one man. But if we had to, it would be Newton’s own Rep. Barney Frank.

    As Winston Churchill might have put it, never before has one man done so much that was so wrong, or shafted so many on behalf of so few.

    Entire business sections of newspapers, including this one, have been dedicated to explaining how we got into this mess, and still the typical taxpayer is asking “So what happened?”

    The answer is actually quite simple: Freddie and Fannie happened. And they couldn’t have without the ferocious support of Barney Frank.

    Freddie and Fannie were supposed to be safe suppliers of mortgage money for relatively low-risk loans. If you could qualify for a loan, F&F would make sure the banks had access to the money to make that loan, cheap money because it was backed by the American taxpayers.

    But liberals like Barney Frank wanted more. They wanted the low cost of low-risk loans to be extended to higher-risk borrowers with lower incomes, fewer assets or less-solid credit. Barney and friends used the regulations of the Community Reinvestment Act to threaten lenders into making these loans. And banks, trying to meet Frank’s demands, expanded riskier lending schemes like subprime mortgages.

    That’s when Freddie and Fannie stepped in. As Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute put it: “They fueled Wall Street’s efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools.”

    Lenders asked themselves, why should I care how shaky these borrowers are or risky the loans if a government-backed body is going to buy them up anyway?

    The loans were made, the housing market bubbled, contributions from F&F flowed to Democrats like Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, and everyone was happy. Until they weren’t.

    Without Freddie and Fannie’s reckless expansion, the housing bubble doesn’t happen. Without the implied promise behind F&F’s money, investment banks don’t dive into the derivatives market.

    Instead, we did it Barney’s way.

    Not only has Frank spent his career stopping any real reform of Fannie and Freddie, he repeatedly insisted they weren’t backed by the taxpayers. “There is no federal liability whatsoever,” Frank said in 2000.

    and the rest……………………

  252. *Debate reactions # 3:

    h t t p : / / kathymendla.blogspot.com/

    Saturday, September 27, 2008

    Obama and the ‘me too’ bracelet

    Posted by chris…

    There was one telling moment during the debate where Senator McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet for a fallen soldier and sequed into a discussion on winning so those sacrafices weren’t in vain.

    Then Obama holds up his wrist with a “I have a bracelet too… from Sargeant uhm uh er. ”

    HE FORGOT THE SOLDIER’S NAME… He had to look down and it before he could say the name. And this guy wants to be CIC???

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    h t t p : / / http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2008/09/moment-ill-remember-i-have-bracelet-too.html

    The Moment I’ll Remember: “I Have a Bracelet Too.”

    To me, this was a very real moment that just felt so awkward and phony that it may last a lot longer than any other thing that was said last night. The way he couldn’t remember the name was just…icky. Bad moment for Obama.

    Posted by matthew archbold at 12:29 AM

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    h t t p : / / icewindsramblings.blogspot.com/2008/09/presidential-debate-bracelet-wars.html

    Friday, September 26, 2008

    The Presidential Debate . . . Bracelet Wars – McCain vs. Obama

    It jumped right out at me while watching the debates and McCain tried to use a bracelet of a fallen U.S. soldier given on the campaign trail to drive home his point that he would not withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq based on an arbitrary time line.

    After he finished talking Barack Obama quickly added . . . “I have a bracelet too!” and when he tried to tell his story Obama forgot the name on his bracelet! Watch the tape . . . he had to look down at the bracelet to remember the name. He had to read the name . . . It made the stunt of the bracelet wearing he is doing even clearer. It seemed like he almost was going to say that the dead soldier gave it to him.

    It was obvious that he had forgotten the name. If Obama were wearing a bracelet for any other reason than to say he is wearing a bracelet like McCain does, he would have known the name of ‘his’ soldier.

    But he didn’t.

    It is moments like this that reveal the true character of a man.

    McCain leads by experience and conviction. Obama follows.

    I would not expect many of the media to report on this fact.

    It gets more interesting with each day . . . Who won?

    Who cares . . . it was just great to see the measure of these men together.

    Ice

    posted by Icewind at 11:20 PM

  253. So lets recap, aha, and concise

    article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2E4MmYxZjMxMDgwMDI0NzJhMWM2NDY0ZjRmMWMxODU

    ‘Senator McCain Is Absolutely Right…’

    “I think Senator McCain’s absolutely right that we need more responsibility…”

    “Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused…”

    “He’s also right that oftentimes lobbyists and special interests are the ones that are introducing these…requests…”

    “John mentioned the fact that business taxes on paper are high in this country, and he’s absolutely right…”

    “John is right we have to make cuts…”

    “Senator McCain is absolutely right that the violence has been reduced as a consequence of the extraordinary sacrifice of our troops and our military families…”

    “John — you’re absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say…”

    “Senator McCain is absolutely right, we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran…”

    Add it all up, and Obama was undeniably, and surprisingly, deferential to a man who in the past Obama has said “doesn’t get it.” Moments after the debate ended, I asked David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, whether Obama had simply been too nice (not a question one often gets to ask in these situations). “The bottom line is, I don’t think the American people want us to disagree just for the sake of being disagreeable,” Axelrod told me. “I think he made a very strong case, absolutely.”

  254. rjk1957,

    I hope you are right. it made me so mad that so many people thought BHO won the debate when he definitely lost the debate.

  255. September 27, 2008
    Biden’s Foot-in-Mouth Disease
    By Jack Kelly

    One wonders how Sen. Joe Biden can talk so much with his foot in his mouth.

    “We’re not supporting clean coal,” the Democratic vice presidential candidate said while campaigning in Ohio last week. “No coal plants here in America.”

    Coal mining is an important industry in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, all tightly contested states in this election, so Sen. Biden’s remarks were impolitic. Especially so since Sen. Obama supports clean coal technologies.

    “Obama’s Department of Energy will enter into public-private partnerships to develop five ‘first of a kind’ commercial scale coal-fired plants with clean carbon capture and sequestration technology,” the Obama-Biden campaign Web site says.

    Sen. Obama’s efforts Tuesday to depict Sen. John McCain as too quick to oppose a federal bailout of insurer AIG were undermined when he was reminded by NBC’s Matt Lauer that Sen. Biden had said the same thing on the same day.

    “I thought it was terrible,” Sen. Biden told CBS news anchor Katie Couric in an interview broadcast Monday. “If I had anything to do with it, we never would have done it.”

    Sen. Biden was referring to an Obama ad that mocked Sen. McCain as an out of touch old fogy because he doesn’t use a computer.

    The ad was terrible. (Sen. McCain doesn’t use a computer because his war injuries prevent him from typing on a keyboard). And it testifies to Sen. Biden’s basic decency that he thought so. But there are some opinions you just don’t voice.

    In the same interview, Sen. Biden told Ms. Couric: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.'”

    Franklin Roosevelt didn’t become president until three years after the stock market crashed in 1929. Television didn’t go into widespread commercial use until years after FDR died in 1945.

    Sen. Biden has said something foolish or indiscreet so often the Republican National Committee has started a “Biden Gaffe Clock” to chronicle them all. Can you imagine the media frenzy if it were Sarah Palin who was saying these things?

    Sen. Biden wasn’t chosen to provide comic relief. Sen. Obama thought his 35 years in the Senate, most of it on the Foreign Relations Committee, of which he is now chairman, would give the ticket foreign policy credentials Sen. Obama himself lacks.

    The most hypocritical of the legion of double standards employed by the news media in this campaign is that a paucity of experience in foreign policy is considered disqualifying in the Republican candidate for vice president, but inconsequential in the Democratic candidate for president.

    Sarah Palin’s only claim to experience in national security policy is that as governor of Alaska, she’s head of the state’s National Guard, and she has a son in the Army. That’s mighty thin gruel. Sen. Obama has served on the Senate Foreign Relations committee since coming to the Senatebut hasn’t shown up for many hearings in the last two years. If you think inexperience in foreign policy is a bad thing to have a heartbeat away from the presidency, why is it acceptable to put inexperience directly into the White House?

    Gov. Palin has been in public life longer than Sen. Obama. She served four years on the city council in Wasilla, eight years as that town’s mayor, a year as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, and the last 22 months as governor of Alaska.

    Sen. Obama served eight years in the Illinois legislature and a little less than four in the U.S. Senate, of which he’s spent most of the last two running for president.

    All but four years of Gov. Palin’s public career has been spent in the executive branch. Sen. Obama has no experience in the executive branch, nor any private sector managerial experience except for his role in the failed Chicago Annenberg Challenge, about which he is reluctant to talk because it brings up his association with unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers.

    As mayor, Sarah Palin managed explosive growth in Wasilla while cutting property tax rates 40 percent. As governor, she worked out a deal to build a natural gas pipeline to the lower 48 that her predecessors had been trying, and failing, to do for 35 years.

    Sen. Obama’s tenure in the Illinois legislature was noted chiefly for his having voted “present” a remarkable 130 times. His brief time in the U.S. Senate has been devoid of significant accomplishment.

    Sen. Obama argues judgment is more important than experience, and Sen. Biden is living proof that experience without judgment is not a pretty thing.

    The most important decision Sen. Obama has had to make as a presidential candidate was his selection of a running mate. He chose Sen. Biden. Inexperience and bad judgment is the worst combination of all.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/bidens_footinmouth_disease.html

  256. The world is full of predators and predator nations. Predators are genetically equipped to smell weakness. When they smell it they move in and do their appointed work. It is natures plan.

    Barack Obama is the epitome of weakness To every predator and predator nation he is a target. To Putin and China he is a paper tiger–all talk and no action. To Wall Street interests he is the puppet they can control–the general who will fire on his own people. To msm he is the one who will protect their lives of privilege and take hundreds of them on trips to Europe–frivoulous people and serial liars that they are.

    But to average Americans, who want a president who will represent their interests and help us survive in a dangerous world he is a fraud, and someone who will lead us down the path from which no one ever returns–financially, militarily or otherwise. I sense in him the makings of a trainwreck in slow motion if he is annointed. We must never allow that to happen.

  257. Interesting

    State of Washington Independents Say McCain is Clear Winner of 1st Presidential Debate: Immediately following tonight’s debate between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, SurveyUSA interviewed 1,000 state of Washington adults, of whom 631 watched tonight’s debate.

    Of all debate watchers:
    40% say McCain was the clear winner.
    38% say Obama was the clear winner.
    23% say there was no clear winner.

    But: Independents, the most critical, coveted and arguably most dispassionate group of debate watcher, gave by 4:3 the nod to McCain.
    Republicans by 6:1 say McCain won. Democrats by 6:1 say Obama won. Those two groups offset each other.

  258. This is interesting about California, Dem central

    Independents, the most critical, coveted and arguably most dispassionate group of debate watchers, split. 43% say Obama is the clear winner, 37% say McCain is the clear winner, 20% say there was no clear winner.

  259. Now I know why Fox’s focus group of undecideds went for Obama, they were from Nevada which is going for Obama to begin with. Why have a focus group in a state that is pretty much decided? Do it in the battleground states.

  260. I thought Mccain did great! after the way the media treated hillary, I watched the debate, and turned off the TV. I have my own mind and own opinion, and its free!
    I don’t need some overgrown, overpaid puppets letting me what to think
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    Agreed.

  261. Obama has a very discipline paid staff and volunteer who stay on script. So those in the media who are in the tank and those who call into C-span and vote on online polls are there to effect perception…period.

    If the best they can say is that Obama did no harm or he tied McCain that doesn’t help Obama….now we see on Youtube that “me too”moment which shows Obama true self…no connect at all and Obama arrogance was very telling.

    The TV Pundits gave Obama points for the Economy but said he lost Foreign Policy. McCain need to show his compassion for the voter…he need a “I feel your pain” moment in the economy. Like he did in the second half with his bracelet story.

    I think McCain can win this if people think he “feels their pain.”

  262. freckles Says:

    September 27th, 2008 at 9:48 am
    How does one e-mail Bill Clinton? I think it’s time he heard from his and Hill’s supporters that they have to stop propping up someone as corrupt as BO.

    Do they know about ACORN? Are they aware that the Dem leadership has been lying about the bailout and the bailout meeting? I want to know what is so urgent about getting a Dem president if they are loading a bailout with pork and not looking out for us.


    freckles I don’t know if it was posted on here but Bill was asked about all of that in one of those interviews he did last week and he squarely put the blame of the mess on the democrats in Congress. He said the republicans and he while he was president in 99 he too tried to put more regulations on fannie and freddie and the dems shot it down and wouldn’t do it. There is tape floating around of Barney Frank in 05 saying that there is no crisis in freddie and franny, they are just fine, the repubs are crying regulation for nothing, and they shot it down again. And then all this happened. I haven’t heard what he has thought about the proposal though or lying about the bailout meeting, but I wouldn’t bet he would side with them. He sure hasn’t been so far.

  263. I watched the CGI video with McCain and saw BC’s intro of Obama (who can stomach watching Obama’s speech?) and I posted here BC was gracious and supportive of Obama in his intro. Well, reading between the lines now, BC is a master. On the surface, it would appear as though he was praising Obama (because it was a Obama-friendly audience but…). Here goes: two main points BC made:

    1) he praised Obama for asking this question that he said no one else had asked him in the last 16 years and he also said that he gave a long winded answer to which Obama patiently listened. Obama’s question was (paraphrasing) why is America organized such that we can’t do much about using its soft power. Sure good question, but look at the implication of what BC said that Obama did not contribute to the discussion and simply asked and listened to BC’s answer. Well, if I am running a hopey-changey campaign for 2 years and made it my life’s character wouldn’t I be able to exchange my own views on this with some authority and contributing to the discussion instead of simply asking the question and listening?
    2) BC next mentioned how Obama had consulted them on the financial crisis and asked their advice on what was the right thing to do. But BC repeated the way that was asked, I don’t have the exact quote, and you can read crassness into it if nothing else but the significant thing is BC saying that Obama has started talking to Clinton’s economic advisers. The implication being that again he is leaning on them and their advisers.

    Obama wet behind the ears, is that what BC is telling us? Candidate x vs. candidate y?

  264. basil said: i wonder if community organizing isn’t code for FM?
    =======

    If FM means Fannie May etc, it isn’t code for ‘community organizing’.

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