November 5, 2008

This should have been a year for huge Democratic Party victories. But instead of huge solid victories in national, state, and local elections Democrats are suffering because albatross Obama is at the top of the Democratic ticket.

Democrats are not basking in solid victories but instead suffering an election which swings back and forth single digit by single digit. For Democrats this huge election year is as solid as a hanging chad.

An historic economic crisis whose immediate price tag is a trillion dollars, a hated president in the White House, multiple wars, empowered dictatorships abroad, natural disasters testing government efficiency and budgets, barely help to move the American voter to the Democratic Party.

What happened?

The Democratic Party leadership decided to ignore the Democratic grassroots to select Barack Obama. Ignoring the party base is never a good idea. The Democratic Party leadership first tried to get Hillary Clinton out of the race immediately after the first vote in Iowa. As some facts emerged about Obama and Hillary Clinton won the big Democratic states the Democratic Party leadership instead of pausing in its selection of Obama decided instead to game the system for Obama, including the awarding of Michigan delegates even though Obama was not even on that ballot.

As the primary season developed it became clear that for the Democratic Party leadership this year was about seizing control of the party for the eggheads and not so much about actually winning the election.

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What should Hillary Clinton primary voters and supporters do? What should Hillary Clinton do?

We must remember that Hillary Clinton supporters can only control our own actions. We cannot control Hillary Clinton’s actions. We can make recommendations and make our positions clear but Hillary Clinton will do what Hillary Clinton feels and thinks is right for her.

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Below is what we think needs to happen, what we suggest Hillary Clinton do, and what we need to get done.

I. Only help Hillary Clinton Democrats in the 2008 elections.

II. Post election, Hillary Clinton should create a grassroots organization.

III. Hillary Clinton should NOT run for Senate Majority Leader.

IV. Fight to elect a new Democratic Party chairperson that represents the Democratic grassroots not the eggheads and kooks.

V. Elect new leadership at all levels in the Senate, House and DNC.

VI. Keep pro-Hillary grassroots organizations and websites intact.

VII. Create new replacement organizations.

VIII. Be prepared for a protracted struggle.


We believe Barack Obama will lose the NOvember election. There will be more Democrats elected to the Senate and House of Representatives this NOvember but not nearly as many as we would have gained if Hillary Clinton was the Democratic Party nominee. A great many Party leaders will be in shock. Many party leaders will not believe that it was possible to lose this election.

A big question will be what lessons the eggheads, DailyKooks and Democratic Party leaders take from the November 4, 2008 loss. Will the nutroots retreat and acknowledge they authored the civil war within the Democratic Party as well as the NOvember defeat?

Will the nutroots do what George McGovern did when he acknowledged his role in a massive electoral defeat and work to reform the process? Or will the nutroots and Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi resist and persist in their infamy?

On November 5, 2008 we doubt that the DailyKooks, the eggheads, and the Brazile’s will learn the right lesson. The right lesson is that the FDR coalition is a winning coalition and the Obama Situation Comedy coalition is a loser. The Kooks and eggheads will probably blame Hillary, Bill, racisim, anything, for the loss. These people will not let go of their stranglehold on the Democratic Party due to their own self-interest.

I. Only help Hillary Clinton Democrats in the 2008 elections. Hillary supporters should only help elect Democrats who supported Hillary during the primaries (before June 3, 2008). Those elected, or want to be elected, Democrats who supported Obama should not be helped in any way.

II. Post election, Hillary Clinton should create a grassroots organization. This grassroots organization should employ strong Hillary supporters, not the faint of heart. The proposed grassroots organization should look at the best activism models of Howard Dean’s DFA (Dean For America, which morphed into Democracy For America) and Dennis Kucinich’s PDA (Progressive Democrats of America). This organization should not appease in any way the nutroots. Working with, and defending Move-On, DailyKooks, and other nutroot websites only got Hillary Clinton backstabbed.

We note that recently Hillary Clinton created, via HillPac, a grassroots program called Hillary Sent Me. This program should, under competent and strong leadership, be reconstituted after the election into the grassroots organization we propose.

The Hillary Sent Me program is designed to get out the vote for Democrats this election season. Hillary Sent Me will be inaugurated on September 27 in New Hampshire.There are some things we do like (NOT the potential help to B.O. component) about the Hillary Sent Me program.

What we like about Hillary Sent Me is that Obama can be ignored and instead Hillary supporters can invest their time and money in helping other Hillary supporters. In the Meet Our Candidates page the featured candidates are Ed Towns, Dina Titus, and Chris Carney. All three of these candidates endorsed Hillary during the primaries.

Hillary supporters helping Hillary supporters, Rep. Ed Towns just won a tough primary, fueled in part by his decision to back Senator Clinton over Senator Obama in the Presidential campaign.

Dina Titus, also supported Hillary during the primaries, The Gleaner reports that the 2006 Democratic gubernatorial nominee and State Senator from Las Vegas Dina Titus today endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.

Chris Carney also supported Hillary during the primaries. U.S. Rep. Chris Carney ended months of mulling it over and announced Thursday he’s backing New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for president.

III. Hillary Clinton should NOT run for Senate Majority Leader. The Democrats in the Senate do not deserve Hillary or any assistance Hillary might provide to them. Hillary should lead by example not as part of a backstabbing Senate Democrats bureaucracy. Hillary Clinton is now more powerful than ever and does not need the Senate Democrats. The contrary is true, the Senate Democrats need her.

While we understand that there are some grassroots activists calling for Hillary to be elected as Senate Majority Leader we suggest they reconsider this proposal. Hillary will be the de facto Senate leader after NOvember.

In the formal role of Senate Majority Leader Hillary would only tie herself to, be forced to help, and be forced to listen to those Senators (Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Obama) who backstabbed her.

Further, if the Democratic Party does not listen to reason and remains under the control of the nutroots and the Braziles of the Party, it will take another election loss in 2010 to bring the Democratic Party to its senses. Hillary Clinton as majority leader would be in the ridiculous position of helping Barack Obama get reelected!

If the Democrats do not learn their lesson in NOvember 2004, they will need to lose again in 2010. Hillary Clinton as Majority Leader would only place herself in position to be blamed for further Democratic losses in 2010.

In 2010 Hillary can help those that helped Hillary and to blazes with the rest. Christopher Dodd, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Barbara Boxer of California, Ken Salazar of Colorado, Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, Barack Obama of Illinois, Evan Bayh of Indiana, Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, Harry Reid of Nevada, Chuck Schumer of New York, Byron Dorgan North Dakota, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Patty Murray of Washington, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, – let Hillary Clinton decide whom to help and whom to let sink. Hillary should not tie herself bureaucratically to all Senate Democrats.

IV. Fight to elect a new Democratic Party chairperson that represents the Democratic grassroots not the eggheads and kooks. Immediately after the election we all need to fight to get rid of Howard Dean and the Braziles (and their influence) as well as the Obama incense burners in the Democratic National Committee. Once Obama loses we need to make the case that the Democratic Party must return to the FDR winning coalition. The bigger the Obama loss the easier reorganization of the Democratic Party can be done (it might require a further loss in 2010 for some at the DNC to wise up).

However there are many Democratic State Party chairs who will want the money flowing to their states from DNC coffers to continue. This money program is one way Howard Dean secured his position at the DNC. If these party chairs do not acknowledge the disaster which is the Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi “leadership” a further defeat in 2010 might be necessary.

V. Elect new leadership at all levels in the Senate, House and DNC. We must elect new leadership at all levels in the Senate, House and DNC. Again, this job will be easier depending on the size of the Democratic defeat in NOvember. Clearly Nancy Pelosi must resign as must Jim Clyburn. A Democratic Congress which passes FISA, something the Republican Congress did not do, does not deserve to exist. We need new strong leadership in both houses of Congress and the DNC. Let Hillary Clinton allies take leadership positions in the House, Senate, and DNC.

VI. Keep pro-Hillary grassroots organizations and websites intact. Many pro-Hillary grassroots organizations and websites have become experts on where the great party of FDR has gone wrong. This leadership is a new, necessary fresh infusion of blood which must be respected. Old line Washington hands who supported Hillary are important but the pro-Hillary grassroots deserve a great deal of credit and respect too.

VII. Create new replacement organizations. We heartily applauded when the new organization WomenCount defended Governor Palin against sexist attacks. WomenCount passed an important test when it stood by principle. We need to create more of these organizations to replace the tired “mainline” organizations (particularly “women’s organizations). The new organizations should also retain their fighting spirit and not fall into the moribund states older organizations have sadly fallen into.

Organizations such as NARAL should either be completely destroyed or their “leadership”, which supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton, must be removed.

Hillary Clinton was instrumental in creating many organizations dedicated to protecting the constitution, watchdog Big Media, and advance core Democratic values. Over the years many of these organizations have lost their way and did not speak up when Hillary was under attack. These organizations too must either be replaced or reorganized and restocked with fighting Hillary Clinton Democrats.

VIII. Be prepared for a protracted struggle. Hillary Clinton will have to “triangulate” for the good of all Americans in order to get things done. Hillary will work with her allies in the Senate and the House and the Democratic Party as well as her good friend President McCain.

If the Dimocrats do not learn their lesson this NOvember, they will have to suffer another defeat in the midterm elections of 2010.

If the Dimocrats do not learn to respect the Democratic grassroots, including the white working class as well as Latinos and African-Americans, they will continue to lose. The Dimocratic “leadership” must learn they cannot select our Democratic Party nominee.

If the Dimocrats do not learn to respect the FDR coalition, the winning coalition, they will lose this NOvember and in the midterms of 2010. If the Dimocrats do not learn their lessons and release the stranglehold of the nutroots and eggheads they will continue to lose election after election.

We, and Hillary Clinton must lead a reform movement within the Democratic Party. It will be a protracted struggle which officially begins on November 5, 2008.

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664 thoughts on “November 5, 2008

  1. My guess it obama sent a signal to his bots in congress to do what durbin is was doing yesterday which is to say why rush while obama hides and allows the situation to get worse. Meanwhile the centrist democrats like Rendell et al see this fot the crisis it is. They are not partywreckera they are patriotic. So are many republicans and surely John McCain. The answer was to drag Obama from the shadows and into the spotlight and put the arm arould him to forget politics and do what is right for the country. When he is forced to do that or let things slide into oblivon his bots will have to follow and a deal will be forthcoming. Obama would sink the entire country to save his own ass and mccain will not let him do that. But if Obama becomes president god help us/

  2. YES to everything except this one:

    II. Post election, Hillary Clinton should create a grassroots organization.

    I’m doing that one.

  3. As I posted in the last thread…

    Greta is reporting that a yahoo poll shows absolutely no movement of Hillary supporters over to Obama in the last few months. 42% still won’t support him.

    I think major credit for this should go to Admin. Admin continues to post his/her/their amazing articles here to guide everyone to the finish line.

    Admin is fighting the good fight!

  4. Admin: I agree with everything that you wrote. I don’t think, it is a good idea for Senator Clinton to be SML, for the reasons that you stated, and there are others.

    I like the grassroots organization idea. It has to potential to be broadened.

    Thank you for another great article and guidance. We are already doing some of those things, but we can do more, and will have to do even more, after the election.

  5. Make no mistake about this. We will be ready and successful in 2012. I was ignorant about the campaign this time, but I am not now.

    That is called experience, and All of us on this blog will use it.

  6. Wonderful! Perfect! INEVITABLE! Sums up everything we have been moving toward! I so agree about the Senate Maj Leader — this has been worrying me — to many people wanting to tie her down to this sinking ship — no good. Founder of the new old Dems has got to build her own crew. I’m nobody, but I’m on board with this 100% and I pray for loads fellow workers.
    This gives me hope, admin. I have always even in your saddest posts found hope, a fighting spirit.
    Thank you so much for being here and letting me be part of this great work.

  7. I think major credit for this should go to Admin. Admin continues to post his/her/their amazing articles here to guide everyone to the finish line.
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    ADMIN: YOU ARE A LEADER/ PROBABLY MARINE CORPS. SEMPER FI. YOU HAVE HELD IT ALL TOGETHER. YOU HAVE BEEN RIGHT ON OBAMA FROM THE BEGINNING AND YOU HAVE PUSHED THE TRUTH DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND KEPT THE REST OF US MOTIVATED.

  8. I think the vp talks are officially dead. No way she can work for a guy like this. Even if the right undersandings were in place. He is a flake. Bills statement that it serves no useful purpose for a former president to be hyperventillating against McCain and Palen, plus McCains appearance at the Clinton Global Iniative convinces me of this. If there was any bloom on that rose it is long gone. Burton reminds me of Field Marshal Keitel/

  9. admin said: While we understand that there are some grassroots activists calling for Hillary to be elected as Senate Majority Leader we suggest they reconsider this proposal. Hillary will be the de facto Senate leader after NOvember.
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    Thanks, Admin, I’m very glad to hear this! My thought on SML was, that people talk about Reid (or whoever the Pelosi/Reid crowd pick for SML) punishing Hillary by “stripping her committe positions” or making sure her bills didn’t pass, etc. Wasn’t Clyburn threatening her with something like that?

    My thought was that they couldn’t do that if she BECOMES SML — she would have that power and could strip them. (And sell tickets.)

    So you think she will be safe from that kind of harrassment?

  10. Continuing….

    Should the grassroots pushing for support for HRC for SML stop operations — or continue to collect support, which she can then trade off for something she wants more?

  11. Admin…perfect!

    and I whole hardily agree that Hillary should not be SML. She absolutrly does not need to be bogged down with those that backstabbed her.

  12. I think McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign is brilliant. And by pulling his ads he’s doing more than just talking the talk.

  13. Admin, let’s roll!

    There aren’t any Dem pols that didn’t support Stinky – all Dims here in IL. I’ve already cut off support for former favorites with detailed explanations.

  14. The VP switch won’t happen. McCain can milk that to high heaven and Obama will be toast the day it happens if it does. Sure it will confuse some voters. But for the majority it will be a profoundly weak act on Obama’s part.

    Here is a blog talking about why she would not go to that Iran protest in NY. The person described here does not sound like she would be eager to provide cover for Princess O.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_hillary_and_palins_disin.html

  15. Paula Says: I think McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign is brilliant. And by pulling his ads he’s doing more than just talking the talk

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    I love it that McCain just DID that, unilaterally, without any negotiation blah blah or even telephone tag sfaik. “I’ve got work to do, I’m shutting down my activities so you can join the work if you want to.”

    Pre-emptive unilateral cease-fire!

  16. gretawire.foxnews.com/
    Why do you think Sen. McCain is suggesting that the debate be postponed?
    It is a political stunt 11% (3330 votes)
    He is putting country first 89% (26010 votes)

  17. mj … Rendell said the obligatory things a faithful Democrat would be expected to say:

    “What, does McCain think the Senate will still be working at 9 p.m. Friday?” Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania said in an interview, referring to the scheduled start time of the debate. “I think this is all political — I wish McCain had shown the same concern when he didn’t show up in the Senate to vote on the extension of the renewable energy tax credit.
    nytimes.com/2008/09/25/us/politics/25mccain.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    “The governor also advised Barack Obama to call the party’s congressional leadership to see if a compromise is close. If it is, Rendell said, Obama might want to return.
    “But if we’re not close, I see no reason to.”
    http://www.politickerpa.com/tags/ed-rendell

  18. wbboei Says: OBAMA=ALBATROSS
    perfect description Admin!

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    Hm. Somehow I doubt Obama will hang around as such…. He might sulk home to Illinois. Or he might start his own third party, so he could threaten the Dems to run as a spoiler in 2012 if they don’t nominate him again. That would be an Alinsky thing to do.

    Great if he left the official Dem party to Hillary and to us!

  19. Here is a blog talking about why she would not go to that Iran protest in NY. The person described here does not sound like she would be eager to provide cover for Princess O.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_hillary_and_palins_disin.html
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    pm: interesting article. It is reasonable to assume that Hillary did not want to defend Obama’s position vis a vis Iraq is astute and correct. That may be the real reason she cancelled. But the futher suggestion that this was specifically intended to embarrass obama is delusional. How could she know he would not send someone else but instead strong arm the organizers into disinviting Obama? Also, the suggestion that Hillary is a European socialist is patently absurd. That is where the right gets into trouble when it says things stereotypical things like that/

  20. I think Americanthinker blog is right leaning..so some of what they say has to be taken with a grain of salt (unfortunately we have to go to them to get some truth). But the sad situation is that Obama could not find another person of stature to make his case against Iran and that he strong armed them to disinvite Palin.

  21. Turndownobama: I get the same vibes on sml. My initial thoughts were same as yours but I have come around. Clyburn is another Judas and needs to be gone. Reid–I honestly dont know about him. I took the positon he was okay based on the fact that his son ran Hillarys campaighn in Nevada and Reid supported her in continuing the primary despite the demands of the Kennedy cabal. But the way he behaved in the final chapter was problematic.

  22. pm: it was a great posting and I know you were not vouching for the merits of the entire thing. I agree with your point which is that Hillarys reluctance to embrace Obama policies could be the reason she does not want to go on his ticket, as well as the reason she did not attend the rally.

  23. On Brit Hume, they called today a tie, especially if a deal is reached tomorrow without McCain. Krauthhammer (?) gave McCain a plus for taking the gamble. I say it is much more than that. McCain by his move has insulated himself from getting blamed in the next 40 days about this deal. Now it is bi-partisan and both share credit and blame. And the fact that he made this dramatic move will also bode well in an area he was vulnerable to begin with. What he did also goes to show that he is not Bush and will not rubberstamp what Bush wanted. So in that and other respects, he has converted a negative to neutral or better yet, a positive.

  24. pm: I agree with you. It was a positive for the very reasons you list. So far as the rest of it is concerned, the test is not what britt Hume thinks but what the Amercian people, and they know the difference between someone who runs toward the gunfire and someone who runs away from it. Bambi lost big time today/

  25. wbboei Says: Turndownobama: I get the same vibes on sml. My initial thoughts were same as yours but I have come around. Clyburn is another Judas and needs to be gone.

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    Same vibes as me or same vibes as Admin? I wish we could make Hillary safe from Clyburn by getting rid of him — but how? He’s a congressman, presumably his own district likes him.

    I hope Admin is right, I wasn’t relishing the SML fight, and it might well be a lot of administrative bog down. I just hope Hillary will be safe without it….

  26. I can’t stand Clyburn. I lived for many years in SC, and he is KNOWN there for lining his own and his friends and family’s pockets while ignoring his constituents. He serves one of the most brutally poor largely AA districts, and has done very little for them. He’s good at getting fat govt contracts for his cronies, though.

  27. Hi turndownobama: same vibes as your comment initially, but same vibes as admin now.

    On a related note, I have this wonderful visual in mind where bambi runs up stairs, locks himself in his bedroom and hides under the bed.

    Then outside you hear the sound of cowbow boots coming up the stairs–clunk clunk clunk. Then loud pounding at the door. No answer.

    The door opens and in steps W with a 10 gallon hat, a King Ranch belt buckel a worn out pair of tony lamas, and a pair of ivory handled A-44s.

    (Note: as in here lies Les Moore. Six shots from an A-44. No Les no more–Boot Hill).

    W: you come out from under that bed now partner or else I’m gonna throw you in the hoosegow.

    Bambi (in a high squeeky voice): on what charge. As a constitutional scholar, Harvard trained lawyer and law instuctor (I mean professor) I demand to know the charge . . . sir.

    W: partner I got the six guns heyah, and I dont need a reason. But since ya asked I’m a gonna tell ya. How bout dereliction of duty for starters. How bout dessertion. How bout cowardice under fire. How bout taking money under false pretenses. How bout extortion of supers. How bout cheating in the causcuses. How bout mismanagement of the Annenburt challenge. How bout posting a phony birth certificate. How bout

    Bambi: I cant come out. I am too scared. They want me to attend this meeting. I dont want to go and that meanie John McCain laughs at me and tries to trick me and doesnt think I should be president because I am not qualified. Since when does qualification have anything to do with it.

    W: partner youre asking the wrong cowboy. Now come on son be reasonable. I will protect you. I wont let anybody hurt you prescious little bambi. (Bush to the director: How come I gotta read these stupid lines?)

    Bambi (now in tears): I want to debate. I want to second guess. I want to delegate. But the last thing I want to do is decide anything. Why cant they just leave me alone with my waffle???????

    W: partner I am an honorary Texas Ranger as in one riot one ranger. I am also presidnent of thes heyah United States. Now if you dont come out from under that bed now I am gonna have to take you into custody and transport you to Washington DC. So whats it gonna be?

    Bambi: dont I get one phone call? As a trained Harvard lawyer I know I am entitled to that. Out comes the cellphone. Collect call to Cook County jail. Hello. May I speak to inmate Rezko. Hello? Uncle Tony. We have got a problem and I need some money muy pronto si se puede if ya know what I mean.

    (fade to black)

  28. My comment at the Couric interview at
    /www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml

    This is really too bad! Couric introduced the term ”Great Depression”. Palin disagreed with it. Then Couric told McCain that Palin had used the word and criticized her for it!
    This is unfair to the candidates and dangerous to the country! If Couric thinks (rightly!) that it”s not the kind of language that should be used — she should not have introduced it herself!
    Quoting:
    Again, you said to McCain: Couric: “ And using rhetoric like the “Great Depression,” is that the kind of language Americans need to hear right now?

  29. I can’t stand Clyburn. I lived for many years in SC, and he is KNOWN there for lining his own and his friends and family’s pockets while ignoring his constituents. He serves one of the most brutally poor largely AA districts, and has done very little for them. He’s good at getting fat govt contracts for his cronies, though.
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    H4T: compare Clyburn as you have accurately described him to Hillary at the Convention, as described by Anarchel:

    There was no ire, no resentment, not even the whisper of hurt. Politics is rough, but failure to fulfill your political duty (to the veteran, to the cancer patient, to the impoverished mother), is unforgiveable. Not hope. Not change. Duty. Her personal grace and decency were rivaled only by her political integrity and loyalty. She has transcended the brutality and cruelty visited upon her in this primary. She walked off that stage the most powerful person in the Democratic Party, owing nothing to any of the power brokers because she has given it all to the Party. Hillary offered the arguments for why the success of the party was paramount, and in doing so ripped away the prevarications thrown out for why unity with her wasn’t possible/

    The sacred vs. the profane/

  30. This is really too bad! Couric introduced the term ”Great Depression”. Palin disagreed with it. Then Couric told McCain that Palin had used the word and criticized her for it!
    This is unfair to the candidates and dangerous to the country! If Couric thinks (rightly!) that it’’s not the kind of language that should be used — she should not have introduced it herself!
    Quoting:
    Again, you said to McCain: Couric: “ And using rhetoric like the “Great Depression,” is that the kind of language Americans need to hear right now?
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    Turndownobama: couric = airhead

  31. Why do you think Sen. McCain is suggesting that the debate be postponed?
    It is a political stunt 11% (3330 votes)
    He is putting country first 89% (26010 votes)
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    Illinois: it is encouraging to see that most people understand the priorities despite burtons attempts at spin. Also, it shows ordinary people understand the situation better than punidits.

  32. h t t p : / / newscred.com/article/show/title/couric-scolds-palin-for-great-depression-scare-which-couric-raised-48dae35c6b182
    Comment box at the bottom, very easy registration, no email confirmation.

    An excellent article

    Couric Scolds Palin for ‘Great Depression’ Scare — Which Couric Raised
    Couric [scolded] Palin to McCain: “But isn’t so much of this, Senator McCain, about consumer confidence and using rhetoric like the ‘Great Depression,’ is that the kind of language Americans need to hear right now?”

    Quite a bit of chutzpah for Couric, chutzpah CBS didn’t even hide from viewers since in the subsequent excerpts from the Palin interview which viewers saw it was Couric herself who raised the ominous phrase.

    Palin had not used the term when Couric asked Palin: “If this doesn’t pass, do you think there’s a risk of another Great Depression?” Palin’s reaction, in full: Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on. Not necessarily this, as it’s been proposed, has to pass or we’re going to find ourselves in another Great Depression. But, there has got to be action taken, bipartisan effort, Congress not pointing fingers at this point at one another, but finding the solution to this, taking action, and being serious about the reforms on Wall Street that are needed.

  33. Turndown: do you think couric even realizes that she herself introduced the word great depression into the interview? There have been many thousands of media inaccuracies in this election and 99% of them seem to favor Obama.

  34. wbboei Says: Turndown: do you think couric even realizes that she herself introduced the word great depression into the interview? There have been many thousands of media inaccuracies in this election and 99% of them seem to favor Obama.

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    Hm, good point. Perhaps there was something before the excerpt they printed, where Palin might have introduced the term herself?

  35. wbboei Says: Turndown: do you think couric even realizes that she herself introduced the word great depression into the interview? There have been many thousands of media inaccuracies in this election and 99% of them seem to favor Obama.

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    Hm, good point. Perhaps there was something before the excerpt they printed, where Palin might have introduced the term herself? Very fair minded of you. On a quick look at

    h t t p : / / http://www.google.com/search?q=Couric+McCain+Palin+depression+language&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    no headlines have mentioned such,and I”m too tired to look further.

    Good night all.

  36. Several people have noted that FOX seems to treat Obama very differently than they have in the past, which is to say they have been unwilling to vet him or say critical things, and have been pretty tough against mccain by comparison. The Hemme piece which was supposed to be investigative journalism was more like a pro Obama puff piece. O’Reilly’s interviews have pulled his puches. Hume’s pretending John’s decision to suspend and thus put country first wa a tie when 89%of the public read it as patriotic. And the list of coincidences goes on. A month ago Rupert Murdock predicted bambi would win that makes me wonder wherther this is failurt to engage is orchetrated in some way/

  37. Thought I would share my feelings about why as a Hillary Supporter – I now feel (good) about supporting John McCain. I’ve been working on cognitive dissonance and how to deal with my feelings about the election and my support for John McCain.. At least I feel better after venting. Thank you for the board. I mainly lurk, but feel I am around like minded people.

    http://peppermintgirl4145.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/25/1909549-cognitive-dissonance-and-moral-indignation-an-analysis-of-an-ex-hillary-voters-support-for-john-mccain-?mode=edit

  38. wbboei

    Yes, I just saw O’Reilly’s interview with some author abot Obama’s ‘community organizing’. It was all complimentary, said he got money for his neighborhood from various sources. Nothing about wastign the money … and nothing at all about the Alinsky method, “rub raw the sores of discontent” etc. If I knew O’Reilly’s email I’d send him thr url of my clintondems diary of leads and cites on Obama’s ‘community organizing.’

  39. Here are my thoughts. And yes wbboei, I think Fox is being extremely easy on Obama. Brit Hume likes McCain as does Hannity and Greta – and Carl Cameron. Shepherd Smith, O’Reilly etc. seem to like Obama. If you read my article – I’m going to do with Fox what I am doing to deal with the rest of the election. It will all be over in a few weeks.

    http://peppermintgirl4145.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/25/1909549-cognitive-dissonance-and-moral-indignation-an-analysis-of-an-ex-hillary-voters-support-for-john-mccain-?mode=edit

  40. Here are my thoughts about the election thus far. At least it will be over in a few weeks. I only hope McCain wins. God help us all.

    peppermintgirl4145.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/25/1909549-cognitive-dissonance-and-moral-indignation-an-analysis-of-an-ex-hillary-voters-support-for-john-mccain-?mode=edit

  41. Thanks Admin. 🙂 Another masterpiece.

    What we need is a full hit list of Obama primary supporters (state,local,etc) we can focus on defeating.

    On November 5, 2008 we doubt that the DailyKooks, the eggheads, and the Brazile’s will learn the right lesson. The right lesson is that the FDR coalition is a winning coalition and the Obama Situation Comedy coalition is a loser. The Kooks and eggheads will probably blame Hillary, Bill, racisim, anything, for the loss. These people will not let go of their stranglehold on the Democratic Party due to their own self-interest.

    Indeed. As Hillary might say,

    “Dimocrats will not give up without a fight….They’re not gonna say, ‘We really **cked it up. We should be ashamed of ourselves and leave.’ I wish they would…..That would be the polite thing to do…..”

  42. The Political Schedule
    *all times Eastern

    Thursday, September 25

    8:45 am
    John McCain delivers remarks to the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, New York. Palin also attends

    Morning
    Barack Obama delivers remarks to the Clinton Global Initiative via satellite

  43. Twice in a few weeks McC has managed to change the whole theme of the campaign!!

    One of the problems with a Senator running is that there all those bills with their thousands of pages that can be pored over and one line can be extracted and then comes the ad: “Senator X voted for or against serial killers or apple pie.”

    This is hard to do for Obama because he doesn’t vote and can always say he pressed the wrong button!

    That’s all gone as the topic is McC’s patriotism — again. As for the endless parade of O’s troops who doubted McC’s sincerity in their condescending way — it doesn’t look good. Attributing base motives is an ungracious thing to do. Sneering at patriotism, esp. for this anti-American Senator, is unwise. The unwillingness to put self and partisanship and personal interests aside — but then again, what’s new.

    Get in there and knock heads, John! YOu come up with a politically palatable agreement, you won’t need to take credit — you’ll get it.

  44. III. Hillary Clinton should NOT run for Senate Majority Leader.
    ————————————————————————————————–
    thanks admin. i was worried seeing so many hillary supporters pushing for SML. what a waste of talent tied to that boat anchor. again, i know i am in the minority here, but i still see HRC with a prime cabinet membership in a McCain administration. do you think that would hinder her activities in the democratic party too much?

  45. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON Statement on the economy

    She’s certainly taking more of a stance than Obama, gee are we surprised.

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

    There is a broad consensus that Congress must act to stave off deeper turmoil on Wall Street. Irrespective of the final agreement yet to be reached, there are several principles that must be part of a broader reform effort that begins this week and continues in the coming months.

    This is not just a financial crisis; it’s an economic crisis. Therefore, the solutions we pursue cannot simply stabilize the markets. We must also deal with the interconnected economic challenges that set the stage for this crisis — and reverse the failed policies that allowed a potential crisis to become a real one.

    First, we must address the skyrocketing rates of mortgage defaults and foreclosures that have buffeted the economy and ignited the credit crisis. Two million homeowners carry mortgages worth more than their homes. They hold $3 trillion in mortgage debt. Nearly three million adjustable-rate mortgages are scheduled for a rate increase in the next two years. Another wave of foreclosures looms.

    I’ve proposed a new Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC), to launch a national effort to help homeowners refinance their mortgages. The original HOLC, launched in 1933, bought mortgages from failed banks and modified the terms so families could make affordable payments while keeping their homes. The original HOLC returned a profit to the Treasury and saved one million homes. We can save roughly three times that many today. We should also put in place a temporary moratorium on foreclosures and freeze rate hikes in adjustable-rate mortgages. We’ve got to stem the tide of failing mortgages and give the markets time to recover.

    The time for ideological, partisan arguments against these actions is over. For years, the calls to provide borrowers an affordable opportunity to avoid foreclosure as a means of preventing wider turmoil were dismissed as government intrusion into the private marketplace. My proposals over the past two years were derided as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little, too late.

    As a result, the home-mortgage crisis slowly eroded the value of debt instruments upon which Wall Street firms were depending. That is how this house of borrowed cards began to fall. If we do not take action to address the crisis facing borrowers, we’ll never solve the crisis facing lenders. These problems go hand in hand. And if we are going to take on the mortgage debt of storied Wall Street giants, we ought to extend the same help to struggling, middle-class families.

    Second, American taxpayers should have a voice and a stake in the resolution of this market crisis. If the Treasury proposal is enacted in its current form, the American government would assume enough financial risk to become the majority shareholder in the companies rescued by taxpayer dollars.

    The American people are bearing the risk and therefore deserve to reap the rewards of a shared equity model. And mortgage securities bought by taxpayers must be valued accurately at prices disclosed in real time, with checks and reporting requirements to prevent abuse.

    Third, taxpayers are being asked to bear an unparalleled degree of financial risk. We cannot allow taxpayers to take on this burden so that Wall Street and the Bush administration can hit the “reset button.” This historic intervention demands a historic shift in priorities: an end to the broken culture on Wall Street, and the broken economic policies in Washington.

    Corporations that will benefit must be held accountable, not only to large shareholders but also to the American people, who are rightly tired of business as usual: short-term profit at the expense of long-term viability; lax oversight and regulation; obscene bonuses and golden parachutes regardless of performance; reckless risk-taking that has placed the markets in jeopardy; rewards for foreclosing on middle-class families and selling mortgages designed to fail; and outsourcing good jobs to serve short-term stock prices instead of America’s long-term economic health.

    This is a sink-or-swim moment for America. We cannot simply catch our breath. We’ve got to swim for the shores. We must address the conditions that set the stage for the turmoil unfolding on Wall Street, or we will find ourselves lurching from crisis to crisis. Just as Wall Street must once again look further than the quarterly report, our nation must as well.

  46. alcina Says:
    III. Hillary Clinton should NOT run for Senate Majority Leader.
    —————————————
    thanks admin. i was worried seeing so many hillary supporters pushing for SML. what a waste of talent tied to that boat anchor.

    ============

    Great. One less chore.

    But — what about protection? She seems to be running scared of something. Bill doesn’t act scared. Is it a danger that affects only her? (Such as threats from Clyburn, Pelosi, etc to her success in the Senate.)

    If SML isn’t needed to protect her from the danger — what is needed? What is the danger, if it’s not something SML could protect her from?

  47. What’s up with CNN smirking like McCain has given up? They are also saying that Palin screwed up the interview. I do think Fox has been easy lately on Obama. So how do we read that?

  48. They are saying she screwed up because she agreed with Couric that we could be headed for a depression if we don’t act. Seems much ado about nothing to me, but what do I know?

  49. Whats new, they have in for McCain, no matter what he does but it will be like the primaries all over again, the harder they push McCain like they Hillary, the harder he’ll push back.

  50. I think it’s good for McCain to try to focus on the financial crisis but this suspending his campaign thing is just political grandstanding. He can go to Washington to try to work something out without doing all the theatrics about not campaigning/running ads etc. He’s sending the wrong message that he can’t handle two things at once. It’s either he’s a candidate for president or he’s not. And if each time a crisis or a problem comes up is he going to stop the campaign again? So this doesn’t seem very smart politically. It won’t really hurt him long term but won’t help him either if that is what his team was thinking. Coming out against this insane $700 billion bailout would have been a more effective strategy.

  51. Me thinks that Hillary wouldn’t have a chance even if she did want to become the next Senate Majority Leader.

    Me thinks that if Obama loses (please God let it be) that Pelosi et al will be willing to give HIM any position he wants including Senate Majority Leader just so he doesn’t wither away in shame and can keep his pointy head up.

  52. Does Couric et al really think that the average American isn’t scared silly by what is going on in the economy right now? Who cares who said the term “Great Depression?”

    This is beyond silly and a tempest in a teapot. Couric is an idiot. She hasn’t done as well as hoped in her position and is trying to cash in.

  53. Why on earth would any Hill supporter want hill to accept SML? That’s not the job of someone who uses the bully pulpit to fight for their signatures issues. It’s a largely administrative job.

  54. With respect to The Great Depression remark: so the fuck what? Many people are implying it, they just don’t dare to call it what it is. Freaks people out. Well guess what? ALOT of people are already freaked out. We’re not stupid.

    And in other news, Bill Heard Enterprises, the largest Chevy dealership shuts down it’s 17 dealerships. Why? Oh, they just felt like it I guess. No need to panic.

  55. I don’t suppose anyone will suggest anywhere that McC saw the bailout slipping away into partisan bickering and thought that if the campaign paused, it might be easier to get both sides to bite the bullet.

    Dems are saying that the deal is done because they are very afraid that McC will get credit.

    Either CNN or Fox gave a history of this mess and it basically went: 2004 – the WSJ warned that Frddie and Fanny were cooking the books. 2005 – Alan Greenspan warned that F&F needed more oversight and McC warned them too. Upshot: the Dems blocked any real oversight and the media paid almost no attention.

  56. I think this is Soros and his speculators friends have done this. I guess now America is ripe for a takeover, just what Soros wanted!

  57. Nikki22

    I think you are wrong. How can you handle a crisis, traveling around the country campaigning, You will not do a very good job. What do you do, wait for someone to call you to let you know what is going on?

    You know how that works. Tell someone something and have them pass it on, nine times out of ten when it gets to the last person, it is completly different.

    This is SERIOUS.

    It is not that he can’t do two things at a time. , which he can. I think you have the wrong candidate. Did you not mean O?

    McCain is putting Country First. not himself FIRST

  58. Is anyone watching McCain’s speech on Fox? He’s talking about global warming now, but he was talking about the crisis, and i tell you, he really looks presidential. He stated 5 points that is wrong with the bill, what needs to be done, and why he is suspending his campaign. He did not throw a single dig at Obama, actually said he is joining him (without saying only because Bush asked him to), which silently makes Obama look really bad to me. There is a lot of articles floating around about how McCain is way ahead of Obama in support from independents, independent’s are going to McCain yet is behind Obama in the polls which doesn’t make sense and points at a large democrat sample in these polls. This is going to pave the way for them to say race when Obama loses.

    At the end of the speech I think he just praised Bill Clinton, how cool is that. Of course this is Clinton’s initiative but still, too cool.

    “The Wall Street Journal poll:

    The survey finds that Sen. Obama has lost ground with the independent voters who will be crucial to the outcome of the election. They now favor Sen. McCain by 13 percentage points, up from eight points two weeks ago. In early September, just after both parties’ conventions, half of independent voters had a positive image of Sen. Obama; now it’s just 39%. Independents were also less likely to say they could identify with his background and values than they were in early September.

    And nearly half of all voters — 45% — said they think that Sen. Obama would raise taxes on middle-income people, even though he has promised not to, a sign that Sen. McCain’s attacks on taxes are working.”

  59. Lynchburg, VA (www.LifeNews.com) — For the new Barack Obama “faith tour” to have any success, it needs to be able to draw young and evangelical voters. Yet, at its first stop in the Virginia back yard of well-known pastor Jerry Falwell, just 15 people showed up for the event.

  60. So now Obama is speaking on the crisis, lets make sure the administration gets it right, that’s about it. No real plan, very vague, lasted 1 minute, looks like a 3 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

  61. Lynchburg, VA (www.LifeNews.com) — For the new Barack Obama “faith tour” to have any success, it needs to be able to draw young and evangelical voters. Yet, at its first stop in the Virginia back yard of well-known pastor Jerry Falwell, just 15 people showed up for the event.

    ——–
    HaHaHa! That is just hilarious.

  62. Like Fox had on the scroll bar this morning:

    Obama Stumps – McCain Trumps

    I am going to put that on the front of the tshirts I am designing and on the back I will put the psalm poem that ends with Obama is the tree and I have to PEE.

    nObama surrogates are trying to spin……..and talking over McCain surrogates like Reagan this morning on Fox.

    Loud speaker at high school: Principal Bush: Barrrrrrack nObama, please report to the Principal’s Office immediately!!!
    roflmao

  63. Wonderful article, Admin.

    Anyone else hear this? (from NQ)

    ‘Joe Biden was in a “shout down” with David Axelrod yesterday, insisting that he was returning to Washington as a Senator to do what the people of Delaware elected him to do in a time of National Crisis.

    Obama gets angry with Joe and Biden has to tell Axelrod, “it’s not about politics, it’s about leadership”!

  64. apparently, Biden said something to this effect:

    “I can not continue and campaign as thought nothing is happening or that a solution is at hand, of which there is none.”

    gonna look for the source.

  65. Loud speaker at high school: Principal Bush: Barrrrrrack nObama, please report to the Principal’s Office immediately!!!
    ——-
    LMAO! good one short termer, that’s exactly the impression I am getting too

  66. In response to:
    nikki22 Says September 25th, 2008 at 8:13 am
    ——————————————————–
    I so disagree with you on pretty much all counts of your post here.

    Maybe these quotes on just what leadership looks like might help you clarify your misgivings in reference to our HERO and Leader and next CIC. Pick one or two and try to apply them to nObama and then McCain and see who shines:

    Quotes on leadership topics from national and business leaders and writers, offering food for learning and reflection.
    Quotes on Leadership and Vision

    “If you do not know where you are going, every road will get you nowhere.” – Henry Kissinger

    “You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing you think you cannot do.” Eleanor Roosevelt

    “Don’t be afraid to take a big step when one is indicated. You can’t cross a chasm in two small steps.” David Lloyd George

    “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.” – Margaret Mead

    For Further Exploration : Look at resources on developing vision, sharing vision, or writing mission and vision statements.
    Quotes on Leadership Character
    “Charisma becomes the undoing of leaders. It makes them inflexible, convinced of their own infallibility, unable to change.” – Peter F. Drucker

    “A single lie destroys a whole reputation for integrity.” – Baltasar Gracian

    “Leadership is a combination of strategy and character. If you must be without one, be without the strategy.” – Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf

    “Example is not the main thing in influencing others, it is the only thing.” – Albert Schweitzer

    “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

    “I am certainly not one of those who need to be prodded. In fact, if anything, I am the prod.” – Sir Winston Churchill

    “Be willing to make decisions. That’s the most important quality in a good leader.” – General George S. Patton Jr.

    “Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.” – John F. Kennedy

  67. Coolest thing ever! I work at PLI (Practicing Law Institute) and across the street is the Sheraton, where the Clinton Global Initiative is being held and I was walking to work and lo and behold I see Terry M! I ran over, said hi, shook his hand, told him I was one of the interns on the campaign and he asked how my experience was and I said “One of the best of my life!” He said “Sorry we didn’t go all the way, but we gave it our best shot” And I said “maybe next time” And he said “Glad you enjoyed…Well, Let’s get these guys out of office” And I said “Definitely” (not as enthusiastically of course) And then we talked about the CGI and he goes “I stepped outside because Palin stepped in!” Haha…It was really cool to see him. I just wish Hillary was outside hanging out too! Haha.

  68. If John McCain really wanted to take a lead role on this then just go to Washington and try to offer assistance on a better bill and not this $700billion giveaway that Bush and Paulson came up with. Then suggest the debate topic be changed to the economy because that is what voters are most concerned about at this time. But instead he did this whole gimmicky thing of “suspending” his campaign. No, BO’s response has not and will not be great but McCain hasn’t really made himself look any better in the last 10 days. FDR didn’t stop being the president whenever there was a crisis neither did Lincoln or any of our greatest leaders. Besides even if this terrible bill passes that still may not solve the problem. So will JM continue to not campaign?

  69. Looking even worse for Obama now.

    Paulson asked McCain to come to DC, McCain takes action, invites Obama, Obama blew him off.

    blogsforjohnmccain.com/bob-schieffer-reports-mccain-return-washington-urgent-appeal-treasury-secretary-video-92508

    Bob Schieffer reports that John McCain got personally involved in the bailout negotiations after Henry Paulson said it was necessary to bring Republicans aboard and save the plan from failure. Once again, McCain is demonstrating leadership at what could be his own personal expense.

  70. Lin67,

    Thanks for the write up about Mccain’s speech. I really think that while the dims, media, et al thought this economic crisis would help their candidate, once again Obama has damaged his credibility big time. He is the world’s biggest cry baby and idiot.

    McCain is running circles around him. By announced the major points he finds wrong with this proposed bill, he has again checkmated Obama. Nothing Obama comes up with now will be original.

  71. The thing McCain has outlined his opposition, and what needs to be done and Obama? Uhm, hum, uh, ah, whatever he said.

  72. I just bill Clinton on ABC….

    Trust him to get it right on McCain/BO moves…

    “Well we all know McCain is not a afraid to debate because he wanted more debates so it must be sincere..putting country first”…. he said it twice…:)

  73. nikki, McCain is doing exactly what you said. He is not going to push Bush’s bill, he is going to twist some arms and try to come up with a better bill with more protections in it.

  74. Ya gotta love Bill!
    Saying McCain is acting in good faith and pointing out that McCain wanted town hall meetings with Obama for months so he is not running from a debate.

  75. moon,

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/25/obama-irrelevant-they-want-mccain-to-help-fix-the-financial-meltdown/#comments

    comments about biden start at 7:57:15

  76. Obama blew him off because he knew his old friend Soros could call of the dogs as soon as McCain was so low in the polls that there was no chance of a resurrection. Obama has the inside on all this crap!

  77. Well I believe Bidenn talked about the great depression and how FDR acted…so what is the effing deal on this palin/couric issue!!!

  78. I am watching Obama on fox now at his Clinton Global Initiative speech, and he just compared it to the great depression too, so now Couric really looks foolish.

  79. So Obama is talking about all the money he is going to spend when he is president, did he forget we are in a crisis???????? Where is he going to get all this money? What an idiot.

  80. Lin67 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 10:37 am
    I am watching Obama on fox now at his Clinton Global Initiative speech, and he just compared it to the great depression too, so now Couric really looks foolish.

    —————————————————————————————————————

    Unfortunately, Couric has an easy time of looking foolish.

  81. Bill did not answer the question on something Pelosi knew in 1999….about some oversight that she knew should be done/was aware off…she may opposed it….anybody have any idea..

  82. “Anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks”.

    First of all, it’s “DOESN’T care too much”…and secondly, what kind of bullshit gibberish is this ?!

    “Oh lord, those white folks with guns is liable to eat folks of color next!”

  83. By Tony Blankley
    The mainstream media have gone over the line and are now straight-out propagandists for the Obama campaign.

    While they have been liberal and blinkered in their worldview for decades, in 2007-08, for the first time, the major media consciously are covering for one candidate for president and consciously are knifing the other. This is no longer journalism; it is simply propaganda. (The American left-wing version of the Völkischer Beobachter cannot be far behind.)

    And as a result, we are less than seven weeks away from possibly electing a president who has not been thoroughly or even halfway honestly presented to the country by our watchdogs — the press. The image of Obama that the press has presented to the public is not a fair approximation of the real man. They consciously have ignored whole years of his life and have shown a lack of curiosity about such gaps, which bespeaks a lack of journalistic instinct.

    Thus, the public image of Obama is of a “man who never was.”

    I take that phrase from a 1956 movie about a real-life World War II British intelligence operation to trick the Germans into thinking the Allies were going to invade Greece rather than Sicily in 1943. Operation Mincemeat involved the acquisition of a human corpse dressed as “Major William Martin, R.M.,” which was put into the sea near Spain. Attached to the corpse was a briefcase containing fake letters suggesting that the Allied attack would be against Sardinia and Greece.

    To make the operation credible, British intelligence concocted a fictional life for the corpse, creating a letter from a lover and tickets to a London theater — all the details of a life, but not the actual life of the dead young man whose corpse was being used. So, too, the man the media have presented to the nation as Obama is not the real man.

    The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don’t see Obama’s ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile “come on” when he is being challenged. This is the kind of editing one would expect from Goebbels’ disciples, not Cronkite’s.

    More appalling, a skit on NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” last weekend suggested that Gov. Palin’s husband had sex with his own daughters. That show was written with the assistance of Al Franken, Democratic Party candidate in Minnesota for the U.S. Senate. Talk about incest.

    But worse than all the unfair and distorted reporting and image projecting are the shocking gaps in Obama’s life that are not reported at all. The major media simply have not reported on Obama’s two years at New York’s Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers. Later, they both ended up as neighbors and associates in Chicago. Obama denies more than a passing relationship with Ayers. Should the media be curious? In only two weeks, the media have focused on all the colleges Gov. Palin has attended, her husband’s driving habits 20 years ago, and the close criticism of the political opponents Gov. Palin had when she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

    But in two years, they haven’t bothered to see how close Obama was with the terrorist Ayers.

    Nor have the media paid any serious attention to Obama’s rise in Chicago politics. How did honest Obama rise in the famously sordid Chicago political machine with the full support of Boss Daley? Despite the great — and unflattering — details on Obama’s Chicago years presented in David Freddoso’s new book on Obama, the mainstream media continue to ignore both the facts and the book. It took a British publication, The Economist, to give Freddoso’s book a review with fair comment.

    The public image of Obama as an idealistic, post-race, post-partisan, well-spoken and honest young man with the wisdom and courage befitting a great national leader is a confection spun by a willing conspiracy of Obama, his publicist (David Axelrod) and most of the senior editors, producers and reporters of the national media.

    Perhaps that is why the National Journal’s respected correspondent Stuart Taylor wrote, “The media can no longer be trusted to provide accurate and fair campaign reporting and analysis.”

    That conspiracy not only has Photoshopped out all of Obama’s imperfections (and dirtied up his opponent McCain’s image) but also has put most of his questionable history down the memory hole.

    The public will be voting based on the idealized image of the man who never was. If he wins, however, we will be governed by the sunken, cynical man Obama really is. One can only hope that the senior journalists will be judged as harshly for their professional misconduct as Wall Street’s leaders currently are for their failings.

  84. Our Hill spoke out again today, and she said: I TOLD YOU SO!

    My proposals over the past two years were derided as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little, too late.

    Good post up on Riverdaughter blog with Hill’s full statement. God, WHY oh WHY did the DNC idiots not listen to this smart, effective woman?????

  85. BTW, for anyone wondering why BO is benefiting poll-wise from the current crisis even though he hasn’t even proposed a plan: McCain is being hurt simply because he’s a Republican. Bush’s approval rating, which went up slightly after the GOP convention, is now down to the mid- to upper 20s, which is practically Nixon territory. The fact that McCain’s numbers have dropped some, too, isn’t a coincidence.

  86. Presidential McCain
    McCain’s bold move could reframe the election–and win it.
    This is on Weekly Standard, a conservative publication, so keep that in mind, but I thought this was still a good read to share.

    by William Kristol
    09/25/2008 12:00:00 AM

    THERE’S A REASON voters in presidential races tend to shy away from electing senators. The primary skills of a legislator–talking, compromising, “representing”–are different from those of an executive–deciding, choosing, “executing.” There are individuals who have the ability both to deliberate patiently and act energetically–but it’s a rare combination. The best legislators tend not to be great executives, and vice-versa.

    This year, for the first time in U.S. history, both major party nominees for president are sitting senators. The winner may be the one who can convince some portion of the electorate that he’s less “senatorial,” and more “presidential,” than the other.

    That’s why McCain’s action Wednesday–announcing he would come back to Washington to try to broker a deal to save our financial system–could prove so important. The rescue package that was so poorly crafted and defended by the Bush administration seemed to be sliding toward defeat. The presidential candidates were on the sidelines, carping and opining and commenting. But one of them, John McCain, intervened suddenly and boldly, taking a risk in order to change the situation, and to rearrange the landscape.

    Of course his motives were partly election-related. But “the interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place.” If candidate McCain, for whatever mixed motives, ends up acting in a way that results in a deal that is viewed as better than the original proposal, and that seems to stabilize the markets and avert a meltdown–he’ll benefit politically, and he deserves to. For McCain will have acted presidentially in the campaign–which some voters, quite reasonably, will think speaks to his qualifications to be president.

    As for the question of Friday night’s debate, which some in the media seem to think more important than saving the financial system–if the negotiations are still going on in D.C., McCain should offer to send Palin to debate Obama! Or he can take a break from the meetings, fly down at the last minute himself, and turn a boring foreign policy debate, in which he and Obama would repeat well-rehearsed arguments, into a discussion about leadership and decisiveness. And if the negotiations are clearly on a path to success, then McCain can say he can now afford to leave D.C., fly down, and the debate would become a victory lap for McCain.

    So the action of these few days becomes more important than the talk of that hour and a half Friday night. One could even say the contrast between the two men in action becomes the true debate over who should be president. The media, being talkers and debaters, love debates, overestimate their importance, and are underestimating the possible effect of McCain’s dramatic action. In the debate itself, McCain should mock the media’s greater concern for gabbing than solving our economic problems, and should associate Obama with such a talk-heavy media-type approach to politics. If the race is between an energetic executive and an indecisive talker, the energetic executive should win.

  87. Team Obama is the one spinning and the American People know that Leadership is about ACTION not TALK.

    I’m upset about the Democrats postering on this issue…I don’t want the people to be hurt by those in Congress who cause this mess to act like they did nothing wrong.

    What the Democrats fail to understand is that Obama need those swing states and they’re not happy with this bailout at all. Many people across the nation are not happy with the Democrats postering like they have not contribute to this mess. I’m a Dem and I know my party protected Fannie and Freddie for decades and did block republicans attempts to reduce their mandate and size.

    Where are we going to get the money to pay for Obama’s foreign aid package on top of working to fix the economy?

  88. Bob Schieffer reports on the Early Show:
    “I am told, Maggie, that the way McCain got involved in this in the first place, the Treasury Secretary was briefing Republicans in the House yesterday, the Republican conference, asked how many were ready to support the bailout plan. Only four of them held up their hands. Paulson then called, according to my sources, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is very close to John McCain, and told him: you’ve got to get the people in the McCain campaign, you’ve got to convince John McCain to give these Republicans some political cover. If you don’t do that, this whole bailout plan is going to fail. So that’s how, McCain, apparently, became involved. ”

    So Paulson begged McCain to get involved. The exact oppositite of these dem leaders crying political stunt. I don’t think anyone was begging BO to come convince dems.

  89. We know McCain is not afraid to debate; he wanted 10 town halls w/ Obama, and Obama initially agreed, but backed out only a day or so later.

    Obama could not have asked to postpone a debate, given the above. McCain could pull off the request that the first debate be postponed.

    To reinforce that JM is eager to debate, a spokesman for McCain (with McCain’s blessing) should propose something like: “John McCain is eager to reschedule the first debate. This probably can be scheduled for next week, assuming that the critical business regarding the bailout has been addressed. We find it curious that the Democratic candidate who agreed to doing ten joint townhall debates, and then immediately backed out, suddenly wants to characterize John McCain as wanting to hide from the public.”

    &&&
    That said, I’m sure Team McCain is all over this.

  90. I believe we are better off being ruled by the first 200 names in the Brooklyn phone directory than the entire faculty of Harvard Law School, including its erstwhile editor who never deigned to write a single article of his own.

    For that reason, I saw this headline from Taipai and worried because I do not think it is that farfetched. It is in times of crisis that governments seize extraordinary powers–and do not necesarily give them back.

    32 Words That Could End Our Democracy

    “Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” – Section 8 of the Paulson Proposal

    Isn’t this why McCain will be there in washington rather than fulfilling this commitment to big media to debate the issues when the biggest issue of all is ripe for decision? Shouldn’t Obamahave seen this for the issue it was and rushed in their on his own volition–rather than hiding in the shadows?

    When a leader hears gunfire he runs toward it–not away from it. When Hillary arrived at Yale and there was a student admin standoff that could turn violent she stepped forward and helped mediate a resolution. Obama has a different response,

    Why is this imperative so difficult for the junior senator from Illinois to fathom. Why did we have to send the Crawford sheriff to serve a summons on him and get him into washington to deal with a potentially catastrophic problem of this county? His bot senators and congressmen are holding out waiting for a signal from him. It is high time he bellied up to the bar. Obviously, it does not come easy for him, does it?

  91. I am still angry with this UnDemocratic Party…..I used to be a loyal Democrat for the last 25 years, but now I am Independent..This party of Taliban is going out of touch…

  92. As for the Dems saying McCain doesn’t want to debate … isn’t the Friday debate supposed to be on foreign policy? That’s McCain’s strength. So that argument makes no sense.

  93. From NQ:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/24/obama-call-me-if-you-need-me

    Obama: Call me if you need me. [Update on Meeting with Bush]

    Obama made a stunning gaffe in his press conference this afternoon. Responding to McCain suspending his campaign to address the economic crisis, Obama said that if they [Congress] need me, they’ll call me.

    Yes, Obama wants to continue with his campaigning and the upcoming debate rather than show leadership and fulfill his role as Senator. In what has to be the quote of the day, if not the election, Obama said:

    “Apparently, this was something that, you know, he was more decisive about…”—Barack Obama speaking about John McCain action to stop campaigning.

    Wow! There could be no further contrast in leadership between these two men. McCain rolls up his sleeves and says ‘let’s get something done.’ And Obama says ‘call me if you need me.’

    Update: Bush will meet with both candidates Thursday …

    Yes, Obama went on to explain:

    “I believe that we should continue to have the debate,” he said. “I think that it makes sense for us to present ourselves before the American people, to talk about the nature of the problems that we’re having in our financial system, to talk about how it relates to our global standing in the world, what implications it has for our national security, how it relates to critical questions, like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    “We’ve both got big planes. We’ve painted our slogans on the sides of them. They can get us from Washington, D.C., to Mississippi fairly quickly.”—Barack Obama as quoted by Shailagh Murray in the Washington Post.

    When given an opportunity to serve his nation in a time of severe crisis, Barrack Obama decided that his own personal gain was more important.

    Stunning!

    Sen. Lindsey Graham just made a great set of remarks to Fox News’s “America’s Election HQ” host:

    “We don’t want a debate! We want a solution. We’ve got 40 days to debate. We’ve been begging this guy to debate us for six months now. What we need is for the Congress to answer the call of Secretary Paulson and Ben Bernanke and Warren Buffett and every other smart person to not allow a financial PEARL HARBOR to happen.”

    Host: Senator Obama has suggested that a president needs to be able to do a number of things at the same time …. like have a debate for example and be able to have his finger on the pulse of what is going on in Washington. Is he right about that?

    Sen. Graham: I would think that if the president were overseas right now and talking to a foreign leader, they would get on a plane and come back home because the country is experiencing a financial crisis. If either one of these people were president, and they were overseas talking about some foreign policy matter, I hope they would have the good judgment to jump on a plane and come back to the United States and call an emergency session of the Congressional leaders to avoid what Warren Buffett calls a ‘financial Pearl Harbor’. That to me is what we need to do.

    We have 40 days left to debate. We may not have but a few days left to protect American savings and financial institutions from collapse, and after the two days you’ve seen here in Congress of nothing but posturing, we’re running out of time.

  94. pm317,

    I wouldn’t be surprised it Obama throws all the dems under the bus just so he has a clean slate. He’ll find a way to say every dem in the party but him are to blame for Fanny Mae et al.

  95. JanH Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am
    If that is all the ammunition Couric got from the interview, then it is pretty pitiful.
    *****************************************************
    Agree.

    That’s why the media is mad, they’re not able to break Palin so what they do is take her out of context or spin her answers to fit their narrative but it still doesn’t work against her.

    The media is still whinning about what is happened in Alaska and it’s still not going to hurt her

    Obama secret weapon is Pres. Bill Clinton support. Even though Obamabot whine and cry about his level of support his going around saying the Dem have a better plan for the economy is having an effect in some quarters.

    That’s why I’m surprise Republicans don’t keep hammering Obama continue spending and taxing while still in this economic crisis.

    O

  96. Paula Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 11:22 am
    As for the Dems saying McCain doesn’t want to debate … isn’t the Friday debate supposed to be on foreign policy? That’s McCain’s strength. So that argument makes no sense.

    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    They have to complain about something. That argument is stupid

  97. # mp Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Bill did not answer the question on something Pelosi knew in 1999….about some oversight that she knew should be done/was aware off…she may opposed it….anybody have any idea..

    What they were talking about was the bill presented in 1999 that would have created more strict rules and additional oversight for Fannie/Freddie. Large accounting discrepancies were being discovered and the GOP pushed for the oversight. The Dems shut it down. Pelosi was one of the folks that killed it. Greenspan warned that if the bill wasn’t passed that Fannie/Freddie problems would get worse and what is happening now would happen.

    Greenspan was right. Big Dawg was right and Pelosi and company were wrong.

  98. rgb, Graham hit it out of the park with that analogy. Wow. I guess he got teh talking points memo bright and early this morning….

  99. Only four of them held up their hands. Paulson then called, according to my sources, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is very close to John McCain, and told him: you’ve got to get the people in the McCain campaign, you’ve got to convince John McCain to give these Republicans some political cover.
    —————————————-
    The problem is bi-partisan. McCain rose to the challenge and Obama did not. They can spin it however they choose that is what it comes down to. John knows there is an imperative to act so our financial system does not crash–but like Hillary he wants to be sure the deal is the right one for the American People. Obama wanted to wait until January. Earth to bambi–the problem will not wait that long. Also, if there if there is no agreement reached by Friday afternoon, you really should stay involved rather that rushing to some studio to debate with an empty chair simply to please your big media handlers.

  100. Oh- shorttermer. Lay off Nikki, please.

    And that “good day” shit is so “70’s Show” played out. From now on, I will refer to you as Fez. 🙂

  101. So Biden wanted to do his day job [that he was hired by voters to do] and nObama wanted to continue to stump/debate…..seems like the Dems have the ticket upside down, should be Biden/nObama….oh, right Biden only got [fewer than] 10,000 votes for President, correct?

    And to think, we could have had Hillary. I guess McCain and the other smart woman will have to do – Clintons, McCain, Palin – patriots all.

    There is a new women’s national organization being formed and will debut on Hillary’s birthday [October 26 2008]. This one will include liberal woman – and all those OTHER women that groups like N.O.W. fail to serve. I can’t wait for myself and my daughter to join.Look for it.

  102. Anyone watch Barry giving a speech at the Global Initiative? It is hilarious! The teleprompter must not be functioning too well because at least 3-4 times he had to completely stop for a like 30 secs until it resumed and then he repeated his last line and continued…it is so funny,. LOL LOL LOL

  103. # rjk1957 Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Ya gotta love Bill!
    Saying McCain is acting in good faith and pointing out that McCain wanted town hall meetings with Obama for months so he is not running from a debate.
    *******

    I have to wonder whether Big Dawg is trying to get out of campaigning for the Fraud – too many praises for McCain, and Obama might have to jettison him on the campaign trail…and this waiting after the Jewish holidays until Oct 9 – wonder if the October surprise is going to happen early October, so Big Dawg can’t save the Fraud no matter what.

  104. Nikki22 said:
    “FDR didn’t stop being the president whenever there was a crisis neither did Lincoln or any of our greatest leaders.”
    * * * * *
    Nikki, with all due respect, you’ve got it backwards. FDR and Lincoln were doing their jobs as PRESIDENT when grave crises erupted. Mac and BO are US SENATORS first and it is their duty to show up for work and do their jobs; campaigning is extracurricular.

    Illinois has had only one U.S. senator since BO was (s)elected. For the first year he was buying his dream home, for the next three he was running for president. BO has rarely shown up for work and doesn’t want to now – he might accidentally learn something that would displace some of the foreign relations factoids temporarily crammed into his brain.

  105. September 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
    ShortTermer Says:

    “There is a new women’s national organization being formed and will debut on Hillary’s birthday [October 26 2008]. This one will include liberal woman – and all those OTHER women that groups like N.O.W. fail to serve. I can’t wait for myself and my daughter to join.Look for it.”
    * * * * *
    Sign me up.

  106. Bill Clinton isn’t allowing Obama’s stench and hypocracy to invade his psyche. While he will do what he has to do to get a dim elected to the WH, he won’t lie, cheat, resort to violence, beg or cry like a baby. Obama will and has done all of those things or at least condoned them being done.

  107. Big Dawg was right and Pelosi and company were wrong.
    ———————————————
    I think that directive probably emanated from Felix Rohatyn, who is executor of Teddy’s estate, a fellow at Middlebury College, the main wall street conduit to the party, the guy who bailed out New York City and a close confident and advisor to Pelosi. He believes in markets uber alles and is openly hostile toward roosevelt economics. I am a guess’sn but I bet I’m right.

  108. From Sun-Times, courtesy of BMerry. I hope this means that our AG, Lisa Madigan (whom I supported) will be going after waste and fraud – I mean “the fraud.”
    * * * * *
    September 25, 2008

    BY CHRIS FUSCO AND DAVE MCKINNEY
    Obama’s $100K Grant for a Garden Never Built

    » Click to enlarge image A group headed gy Kenny B. Smith (top right) was awarded a state grant by then-state Sen. Barack Obama to create a botanic garden in Englewood. Plans now call for the city to take back the garden site because the project never happened. Attorney General Lisa Madigan is investigating.
    (Keith Hale/Sun-Times/AP)

    RELATED STORIESVideo: Grant for a garden never built Exclusive: Obama’s $100K (unbuilt )garden Special section: Barack Obama More in Watchdogs

    Story:
    A $100,000 state grant for a botanic garden in Englewood that then-state Sen. Barack Obama awarded in 2001 to a group headed by a onetime campaign volunteer is now under investigation by the Illinois attorney general amid new questions, prompted by Chicago Sun-Times reports, about whether the money might have been misspent.

    The garden was never built. And now state records obtained by the Sun-Times show $65,000 of the grant money went to the wife of Kenny B. Smith, the Obama 2000 congressional campaign volunteer who heads the Chicago Better Housing Association, which was in charge of the project for the blighted South Side neighborhood.

    Smith wrote another $20,000 in grant-related checks to K.D. Contractors, a construction company that his wife, Karen D. Smith, created five months after work on the garden was supposed to have begun, records show. K.D. is no longer in business.

    Attorney General Lisa Madigan — a Democrat who is supporting Obama’s presidential bid — is investigating “whether this charitable organization properly used its charitable assets, including the state funds it received,” Cara Smith, Madigan’s deputy chief of staff, said Wednesday.

    In addition to the 2001 grant that Obama directed to the housing association as a “member initiative,” the not-for-profit group got a separate $20,000 state grant in 2006.

    Madigan’s office has notified Obama’s presidential campaign of the probe, which was launched this week. But Obama’s actions in awarding the money are not a focus of the investigation, Smith said.

    Questions about the grant, though, come as spending on local pet projects has become an issue in Obama’s campaign against John McCain.

    Obama and Kenny Smith announced the “Englewood Botanic Garden Project” at a January 2000 news conference at Englewood High School. Obama was in the midst of a failed bid to oust South Side Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush for a seat in Congress. The garden — planned near and under L tracks between 59th Place and 62nd Place — fell outside of Obama’s Illinois Senate district but within the congressional district’s borders.

    Obama vowed to “work tirelessly” to raise $1.1 million to help Smith’s organization turn the City of Chicago-owned lot into an oasis of trees and paths. But Obama lost the congressional race, no more money was raised, and today the garden site is a mess of weeds, chunks of concrete and garbage. The only noticeable improvement is a gazebo.

    In a previous interview, Smith said the state grant money was legitimately spent, mostly on underground site preparation.

    But no one ever took out construction permits required for such work, city records show. And a contractor who Smith said did most of the work told a reporter all he did was cut down trees and grade the site with a Bobcat.

    Citing the garden’s failure to take root, NeighborSpace — an umbrella group for dozens of community gardens citywide — moved Sept. 9 to return the site to the city. Its action followed a July 11 Sun-Times report on the grant.

    Obama spokesman Michael Ortiz said Wednesday the senator’s staff in Washington will monitor the Madigan probe and an additional review under way by Gov. Blagojevich’s administration to make sure “the taxpayer funds allocated for the construction of the garden are recuperated from CBHA if the agencies determine that the funds were not properly spent.” Obama’s goal is to ensure the site “be used in a way that benefits the community and that any taxpayer dollars allocated are spent wisely,” Ortiz said.

    The relationship between Smith and Obama dates to at least 1997, when Obama wrote a letter that Smith used to help the housing association win city funding for an affordable-housing development near the garden site. Plans called for more than 50 homes; a dozen ultimately were built.

    Smith also has donated $550 to Obama campaign funds.

    The Sun-Times learned about Karen Smith’s involvement in the project through an Aug. 12 Freedom of Information Act response from a lawyer for Blagojevich¹s Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. The department, according to the lawyer, had ³discovered² 52 pages of ³additional documents² ommitted from an initial response in May to a Sun-Times¹ Freedom of Information Act request about the grant.

    Neither Smith nor his wife has been accused of any wrongdoing. Smith and his lawyer did not return repeated calls seeking comment.

    In an interview in July, Smith said he was never able to raise the money needed for the garden. But the state grant awarded by Obama was spent properly, he said, on the underground work, with most of the work done by a contractor whose name Smith got wrong.

    The Sun-Times tracked down the contractor, Rodolfo Marin, in Austin, Texas, where he now lives.

    “What I was hired for was: Clean up the area and cut the trees — that’s all,” Marin said. He said he rented a Bobcat — a sort of small bulldozer — for the project.

    And how much did Smith pay him? “If he spent about $3,000 with me, that was too much.”

    Chris Fusco and Dave McKinney

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article#

  109. Bill Clinton launching shots across the bow for slamming his economics.

    Fox News Blames Democrats for Financial Crisis, Bill Clinton Agrees

    newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/25/fox-news-blames-democrats-financial-crisis-bill-clinton-agrees

    Going very much against the media meme that the current financial crisis is all George W. Bush and the Republicans’ fault, Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC’s Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been “resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac”

    Whether he knew it or not, Clinton was going against virtually all press outlets that have been pointing fingers at Republicans since this crisis began, and likely much to the dismay of such folk actually agreed with a Fox News segment aired on Tuesday’s “Special Report”

  110. Admin, please provide us with ideas for ways, no matter how small, to save our Hillary and Joe Liebermann from the DNC and its rulers who are trying and will try to strip them of all authority right when our country needs them most.

  111. Shortermer

    That is great news about the new women’s organization. I look forward to the announcement. Our women’s groups (Naral, NOW, etc) have let us down in this election.

    They played in the sandbox with the big boys, and forget that they were representing women.

  112. I notice the Big Dog is acting the part of the elder statesman/former president again. Good for him. He’s no longer in politics so the BO people have no power over him.

  113. Bill Clinton is walking a tight rope – he does not want to be a mouthpiece for Bo and the Democrats’ propaganda, nor should he. He was the President.

    And the only support he is giving to the Fraud and the Democrats comes only from the motive to protect Senator Clintons’ career.

    That’s what it looks like to me.

  114. neetabug Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
    Question,

    Did O stop campaigning to cram for the debate?

    * * * * *
    Kinda looks like it….

  115. moon, LMAO! Yup, Bill tried to fight his own party, Pelosi chief among them, to get some restraint – the DNC bastards won.

    I love big Dawg. That crazy Bill, being truthful again.

  116. “Apparently, this was something that, you know, he was more decisive about…”—Barack Obama speaking about John McCain action to stop campaigning.

    Wow! There could be no further contrast in leadership between these two men. McCain rolls up his sleeves and says ‘let’s get something done.’ And Obama says ‘call me if you need me.’

    Update: Bush will meet with both candidates Thursday …

    Yes, Obama went on to explain:

    “I believe that we should continue to have the debate,” he said. “I think that it makes sense for us to present ourselves before the American people, to talk about the nature of the problems that we’re having in our financial system, to talk about how it relates to our global standing in the world, what implications it has for our national security, how it relates to critical questions, like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
    ——————————————–
    Earth to Bambi-there is a time to talk and a time to act. I think he just lost the election.

  117. moononpluto Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 11:57 am
    Me thinks Bill Clinton has decided to mix it up and has started payback.

    * * * * *
    I was thinking the same thing. “…..best served cold.”

  118. All the ones who are in danger from this financial fallout in the Dem party are the ones who backstabbed Hillary and slammed Bills glorious economic days, so Bill i think has rightly decided to shaft them.

  119. neetabug Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
    Question,

    Did O stop campaigning to cram for the debate?
    ****
    He must be cramming for the Senate because he hasn’t a clue about what to do. He’ll go into the Senate, sulk around and look like a junior Senator not a President.

  120. I have the idea in the back of my head, that Big Dawg is often saying what Hillary can’t at this time. My respect for him and Hillary and McCain and Palin just grows and grows and grows. I wanted for them, even more than for my own satisfaction, for Big Dawg and Hillary to quit ironing nObama’s shirts – he is doing it nicely.

    I joined HillPac some time ago, but am a little disconcerted that she continues to tout Obama, it seems in every correspondence – I can barely stomach it. This PAC is for HER and not HIM, I hope.

    I will post more about the new women’s organization as soon as I learn more. My daughter was more elated about it than I as she seems to be more conservative than myself. She had checked out N.O.W. and emailed me once that, “..they are a women’s organization true, but only for the most LIBERAL women!”

  121. Greer unloads on Hastings for heat-packin’ Palin remarks
    posted by Aaron Deslatte on Sep 25, 2008 11:23:35 AM
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    After U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings,D-Miramar, reportedly suggested that because Republican Sarah Palin carried guns and hunted, she therefore “don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks,” Florida GOP chief Jim Greer couldn’t resist the feast of red meat.

    “Alcee Hastings managed to attack sportsmen, African Americans, and the Jewish community in one sentence,” Greer said in a statement Thursday.

    “By claiming that Gov. Palin and those Americans who choose to bear arms do not care about the Jewish and African-American citizens of our country, Hastings is viciously throwing the worst kind of stereotypes at the wall and hoping one of them sticks. Even more unfortunate is the fact that this statement comes on the heels of an Obama Florida staff member’s comments that Governor Palin was as ‘Nazi sympathizer.’ The staffer had the good sense to backtrack from his comments, and so should Alcee Hastings.

    “Unless Sen. Obama and the Florida Democrat Party believes that ‘anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks,’ both Obama and the FDP should immediately refute this ridiculous and divisive statement.”

    blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/09/greer-unloads-o.html

  122. Both sides need to declare amnesty and solve the problem. The finger pointing right now is a dangerous diversion. That means Obama, and his media allies. Cease, desist and solve the problem. Abide by your oath.

  123. Going very much against the media meme that the current financial crisis is all George W. Bush and the Republicans’ fault, Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC’s Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been “resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac”
    ———————————————-
    Bill is simply telling the truth. We cannot survive on lies.

  124. Okay so Bo thought it was oh so important to halt his campaigning so he could cram for a debate on a topic he knows/has zilch experience on…but he didn’t think it was oh so important to halt his campaigning to save the economy?

    Very presidential…NOT! Very self-serving…YES!

  125. Drudge has this as one of his headlines from the Daily Mail UK. At this juncture, Senator Clinton has shown more leadership and knowledge and action than the Fraud on the economy. If for any reason she became VP, there’s just no way, the ticket would look completely upside down, BO has got to know that. Everyone would be clear that she’s Presidential (and the shadow President), not him.

    ********

    Could Clinton still come back? Internet buzzes with rumours Biden will be replaced by Hillary as Obama’s running mate

    The internet is buzzing today with the rumour that Barack Obama’s gaffe-prone running mate Joe Biden will drop out of the race for health reasons – to be replaced by Hillary Clinton.

    John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate has created so much interest in the Republicans that Mr Obama will have to make a radical move to regain momentum, the argument goes.

  126. Except that Obama is even more gaff-prone than Biden will ever be. What is wrong with this picture?

    America needs Hillary and McCain!!!

  127. another drudge article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93DA43G1&show_article=1

    Bill Clinton: I won’t dump on McCain

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Former President Clinton says if Democrats want someone to dump on John McCain, he’s not the guy.

    Some members of his party have been complaining that Clinton has not been enthusiastic enough in his support for Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, who defeated Clinton’s wife in the primary campaign, and heaping too much praise on McCain.

    But Clinton told CNN’s “Larry King Live” on Wednesday that he doesn’t think “dumping” on McCain or his running mate, Sarah Palin, is a winning strategy. He said undecided voters aren’t interested in attacks but solutions for the problems they face.

    “I just don’t believe that getting up here and hyperventilating about Gov. Palin, or Sen. McCain for that matter, is a productive use of a former president’s time and is not a vote-getter,” he said, adding that he admires McCain even though he disagrees with several of his positions.

    Clinton said he and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, gave vigorous endorsements to Obama at the national convention last month and that Hillary Clinton has traveled extensively on Obama’s behalf. That includes a tour of Michigan on Saturday.

    “I think you can argue that she has done more than all other runner-ups have in the Democratic Party in 40 years,” the former president said. “We have been quite clear on this. We’re not party-wreckers, and we believe that the country needs to take a different course.”

  128. Is Warren buffet also for this paulson plan???

    You know what…Buffet is smart but he aslo invested big time in country last year….so even the wise
    sage got it wrong

  129. Where are we going to get the money to pay for Obama’s foreign aid package on top of working to fix the economy?
    —————————————–
    If universal heath care is dead now then I can only assume his global poverty initiative is dead as well. He may still propose it and the bill did pass but it will not get implemented now, noway, nowhow, nobama.

  130. I didn’t realize that Senator Clinton has an Op Ed in the WSJ; I know someone had posted some of it today:

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html

    I’ve proposed a new Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC), to launch a national effort to help homeowners refinance their mortgages. The original HOLC, launched in 1933, bought mortgages from failed banks and modified the terms so families could make affordable payments while keeping their homes. The original HOLC returned a profit to the Treasury and saved one million homes. We can save roughly three times that many today. We should also put in place a temporary moratorium on foreclosures and freeze rate hikes in adjustable-rate mortgages. We’ve got to stem the tide of failing mortgages and give the markets time to recover.

    The time for ideological, partisan arguments against these actions is over. For years, the calls to provide borrowers an affordable opportunity to avoid foreclosure as a means of preventing wider turmoil were dismissed as government intrusion into the private marketplace. My proposals over the past two years were derided as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little, too late.

    …Corporations that will benefit must be held accountable, not only to large shareholders but also to the American people, who are rightly tired of business as usual: short-term profit at the expense of long-term viability; lax oversight and regulation; obscene bonuses and golden parachutes regardless of performance; reckless risk-taking that has placed the markets in jeopardy; rewards for foreclosing on middle-class families and selling mortgages designed to fail; and outsourcing good jobs to serve short-term stock prices instead of America’s long-term economic health. (excerpt only)

    ************

    wonder if she’s trying to get ahead of the curve here – if she’s right, and Congress works on this, it’ll only look good for her.

  131. If for any reason she became VP, there’s just no way, the ticket would look completely upside down, BO has got to know that. Everyone would be clear that she’s Presidential (and the shadow President), not him.
    —————————————–
    Count: you are right. his ego could never stand the comparison. My sense is the deal is dead now and what we are seeing in the internet is blowback from old news.

  132. Watch the video — It is good to read between the lines when BC talks — see how he is impartial to Dems :). On Larry King, he ended a long sentence by saying I like his energy plan and you had to scratch your head whether he meant McCain or Obama.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

  133. I just viewed David Letterman’s filler time where John McCain was scheduled to be a guest last night. It seems that Letterman is PO’d that McCain cancelled but showed up for the Katie Couric thing. He reiterated the same mantra over and over about McCain: he is a patriot, why did he ditch my show, just does not smell right, he is a patriot, you don’t suspend a campaign but instead you send in the second string quarterback – Sarah Palin, could it be to save the economy or just because his ratings were slipping? KO was there and was engaged by Letterman a little bit on the subject; his idea was that Couric had the money necessary for the bailout, and that McCain ditched Letterman. Letterman said that McCain promised to come back and maybe bring Sarah – now that would be an even greater event.
    I think Letterman’s feelings were hurt.

  134. wbboei – if there ever was any deal, and not just rumor…

    everything that Clinton is doing with her Op-Ed piece, being on 4-6 different morning shows, etc…she’s showing the Fraud up – telegraphing, “there’s no way, I would be your VP.” None, nope, no way, no how, NoVP4Bama.

  135. Looks like McCain is in good shape in PA tbh, Obama is skewing polls in every battleground state
    ———————————————
    Moon: during the primary survey usa was more acccurate than other polling surveys in texas, pennsylvanis, indiana and west virginia where I volunteered. So what is going on now I wonder. Are they just anti republican or what.

  136. McCain up 2 in new national poll, 48-46. He’s only getting 73 percent of Dems, while McCain is getting 83 percent of Repubs.

    edisk.fandm.edu/FLI/keystone/pdf/KeyNSe08.pdf

    I live in PA, and that breakdown is a joke. Dems have the registration edge here, but 13 percent is too much of a gap. And the indys were way undersampled.

  137. wbboei – if there ever was any deal, and not just rumor…

    everything that Clinton is doing with her Op-Ed piece, being on 4-6 different morning shows, etc…she’s showing the Fraud up – telegraphing, “there’s no way, I would be your VP.” None, nope, no way, no how, NoVP4Bama.
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    Count: my choice of words was poor. I do not believe there was any deal either. With a financial crisis looming and obama deficiencies on full display, and a backchannel out of pelosi office I thought there was a showing of interest on the part of the dem leadership, and then there was all that buzz on the internet. That is the deal I meant that was dead. I am not suggesting there was ever a meeting of the minds.

  138. Bill Clinton has already announced that Hillary will focus on her Senate job and doesn’t want to be Vice President.

    He was that direct!

    Any rumors tht Biden will drop out and Hillary will replace is just Obama distraction. Democrats shouldn’t hate the Republicans for promoting Sarah Palin. Democrats and progressive women should blame the Democrats that blocked Hillary…period!

    I can’t stand the hypocrisy from some democrats who blame Sarah Palin for taking Hillary spot. What kind of logic is that? Gov. Sarah Palin is a Republican and her party offered her the opportunity…While Sen. Clinton party swifted boated her.

  139. I can’t stand the hypocrisy from some democrats who blame Sarah Palin for taking Hillary spot. What kind of logic is that? Gov. Sarah Palin is a Republican and her party offered her the opportunity…While Sen. Clinton party swifted boated her.
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    Very true.

  140. “Axelrod”

    Just what would be his role in an Obama WH?
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    Chief of Staff–he has got that honest look about him, sort of like Bob Hadelman.

  141. Moon: during the primary survey usa was more acccurate than other polling surveys in texas, pennsylvanis, indiana and west virginia where I volunteered. So what is going on now I wonder. Are they just anti republican or what.
    *****************************************************
    They’re anti republican and are now propaganda tools. It’s the private polls that’s telling them that it’s a closer race. Also the polls oversample dems and the Democratic? Taliban Party wouldn’t be so upset about Sarah Palin if she wasn’t such a treat to them…now and in the future.

    The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY hurt themselve BIG TIME with WOMEN and there is no going backwards…the Republican Party is getting a relook by women.

    Sarah Palin represent the future of the party and many are liking what they see.

  142. Wouldn’t I love to be a fly on the wall in the meeting this morning with Bush, McCain, Obama, et al.

    Pelosi crying wolf. Obama stumbling around. Both pointing fingers…not accomplishing anything…not understanding a word spoken…taking all the credit when all is said and done.

  143. Bots are flipping out over Clinton defending McCain in his remarks today, they are apoplectic on the DU and kos blogs.

  144. He must be cramming for the Senate because he hasn’t a clue about what to do. He’ll go into the Senate, sulk around and look like a junior Senator not a President.
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    That is one big reason for his reticence. He will look like a junior senator, just as you say. Moreover, his bot senators and bot congressmen will be looking to the messiah for leadership, and he is about to get squeezed to make a decision and live with the consequences. People like him are much happier when they can avoid making decisions.

  145. I see the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY Chris Dodd is telling reporters they have a deal in place.

    How does Chris Dodd know this? Did the Republicans sign off before McCain got there? Like Hagel and other?

    Does this mean this emergency was a Democratic stunt to make Obama look good to the voters by highlighting the economy?

  146. # Paula Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Count, Is there still Internet buzz about Hillary replacing Biden? I thought it would’ve died down by now.
    *****

    Yes because Rush just covered it a couple days ago, and Drudge headlining it.

    I think we were just ahead of the curve since whatever the motive for releasing that email – it was probably targeted at Clinton supporters.

  147. One of Bill Clinton’s cardinal rules of politics is “always be the bigger person.” In other words, don’t be petty, and be magnanimous and gracious about everyone you work with, when you can.

    This election cycle has been one of the nastiest, in-the-dirt, all-out, bare-knuckles elections we’ve ever seen (guess why?) and Clinton sees a HUGE opening to score points by “being the bigger person.” That’s part of the reason why he’s been so civil when discussing McCain and Palin. He knows that you can appreciate a person’s strengths and still disagree with their politics.

  148. Moononpluto, regarding the new Gallup, here is the link:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx

    John McCain has gained ground and is now tied with Barack Obama among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Sept. 22-24, with each candidate getting 46% support.

    This update covers interviewing conducted Monday through Wednesday, and as such includes one night after McCain’s announcement that he was suspending election campaigning and flying to Washington to help seek a bipartisan solution to the financial crisis. A night by night analysis of interviewing results, however, does not suggest that McCain had a dramatically better night against Obama on Wednesday. Instead, the data show that McCain has been doing slightly better for the last three days than he had in the previous week, and with some strong Obama days falling off of the rolling average, the race has moved to its current tied position. This is the first report since Sept. 13-15, in which Obama did not have at least a one percentage point edge.

    As was true during the two weeks in which the candidates selected their vice presidential running mates and held their conventions, this appears to be a time period with much going on that can affect the candidates’ standings, including whatever happens regarding the three planned presidential debates and the one vice presidential debate. — Frank Newport

  149. I would really be interested to see the overnights. You know both party’s ran polls on McCain’s decision. These internet polls can be manipulated too easily.

  150. I love how Bill is coming out now and while ostensibly supporting BO, you can tell quite readily he despises the guy !!!!!

  151. Obama grant being probed
    $100,000 DEAL | State to charity: What happened to garden money, other cash?

    A $100,000 state grant for a botanic garden in Englewood that then-state Sen. Barack Obama awarded in 2001 to a group headed by a onetime campaign volunteer is now under investigation by the Illinois attorney general amid new questions, prompted by Chicago Sun-Times reports, about whether the money might have been misspent.

    The garden was never built. And now state records obtained by the Sun-Times show $65,000 of the grant money went to the wife of Kenny B. Smith, the Obama 2000 congressional campaign volunteer who heads the Chicago Better Housing Association, which was in charge of the project for the blighted South Side neighborhood.

    Smith wrote another $20,000 in grant-related checks to K.D. Contractors, a construction company that his wife, Karen D. Smith, created five months after work on the garden was supposed to have begun, records show. K.D. is no longer in business.

    Attorney General Lisa Madigan — a Democrat who is supporting Obama’s presidential bid — is investigating “whether this charitable organization properly used its charitable assets, including the state funds it received,” Cara Smith, Madigan’s deputy chief of staff, said Wednesday.

    In addition to the 2001 grant that Obama directed to the housing association as a “member initiative,” the not-for-profit group got a separate $20,000 state grant in 2006.

    Madigan’s office has notified Obama’s presidential campaign of the probe, which was launched this week. But Obama’s actions in awarding the money are not a focus of the investigation, Smith said.

    Questions about the grant, though, come as spending on local pet projects has become an issue in Obama’s campaign against John McCain.

    Obama and Kenny Smith announced the “Englewood Botanic Garden Project” at a January 2000 news conference at Englewood High School. Obama was in the midst of a failed bid to oust South Side Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush for a seat in Congress. The garden — planned near and under L tracks between 59th Place and 62nd Place — fell outside of Obama’s Illinois Senate district but within the congressional district’s borders.

    Obama vowed to “work tirelessly” to raise $1.1 million to help Smith’s organization turn the City of Chicago-owned lot into an oasis of trees and paths. But Obama lost the congressional race, no more money was raised, and today the garden site is a mess of weeds, chunks of concrete and garbage. The only noticeable improvement is a gazebo.

    In a previous interview, Smith said the state grant money was legitimately spent, mostly on underground site preparation.

    But no one ever took out construction permits required for such work, city records show. And a contractor who Smith said did most of the work told a reporter all he did was cut down trees and grade the site with a Bobcat.

    Citing the garden’s failure to take root, NeighborSpace — an umbrella group for dozens of community gardens citywide — moved Sept. 9 to return the site to the city. Its action followed a July 11 Sun-Times report on the grant.

    Obama spokesman Michael Ortiz said Wednesday the senator’s staff in Washington will monitor the Madigan probe and an additional review under way by Gov. Blagojevich’s administration to make sure “the taxpayer funds allocated for the construction of the garden are recuperated from CBHA if the agencies determine that the funds were not properly spent.” Obama’s goal is to ensure the site “be used in a way that benefits the community and that any taxpayer dollars allocated are spent wisely,” Ortiz said.

    The relationship between Smith and Obama dates to at least 1997, when Obama wrote a letter that Smith used to help the housing association win city funding for an affordable-housing development near the garden site. Plans called for more than 50 homes; a dozen ultimately were built.

    Smith also has donated $550 to Obama campaign funds.

    The Sun-Times learned about Karen Smith’s involvement in the project through an Aug. 12 Freedom of Information Act response from a lawyer for Blagojevich¹s Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. The department, according to the lawyer, had ³discovered² 52 pages of ³additional documents² ommitted from an initial response in May to a Sun-Times¹ Freedom of Information Act request about the grant.

    Neither Smith nor his wife has been accused of any wrongdoing. Smith and his lawyer did not return repeated calls seeking comment.

    In an interview in July, Smith said he was never able to raise the money needed for the garden. But the state grant awarded by Obama was spent properly, he said, on the underground work, with most of the work done by a contractor whose name Smith got wrong.

    The Sun-Times tracked down the contractor, Rodolfo Marin, in Austin, Texas, where he now lives.

    “What I was hired for was: Clean up the area and cut the trees — that’s all,” Marin said. He said he rented a Bobcat — a sort of small bulldozer — for the project.

    And how much did Smith pay him? “If he spent about $3,000 with me, that was too much.”

    video.ap.org/v/default.aspx?f=ILCHS&g=711c552b-4fec-4fe0-9a29-3f65a821b12b&mk=en-ap&fg=svip_copy

  152. Don’t you hate to see snake come out and try to bite you when they think you’re down…in either party.

    McCain has a lot of snakes come out this week…it will be interesting to see them stay out in the light or go back in their hole.

  153. I’m going to have to say a BIG I’M SORRY to the Republicans about their warnings on Fannie and Freddie.

    Although GWB did want to reign in F & F, he still is a dunce with me in his lack of ability to communicate with the people.

  154. Yes. Chris Cuomo is related to the NY Cuomo’s.

    BTW_ Big Dawg lumped Dodd in with the idiots who said no back in 1999.

    Admin- I signed up for Hillary Sent Me.

    BTW- I have a theory on why Dumbass didn’t want to go back to DC when McCain asked him- he needs all three days to come up with a halfway believable excuse for why he never held a single sub-committee hearing.

    Lastly, regarding Palin in all this: look, she’s nice enough. Someone we can see ourselves meeting with, and liking, but in all sincere honesty, she’s not ready to be POTUS today. At least not a very good one.

    She’s good at what she does, and I think an actual reformer like McCain, but I’m not going to insult you guys or me in saying she could handle this economic crisis or Putin. Few people are. Hillary is for certain. Palin would kick ass in a cabinet position and even as VP in a certain role (not Cheney’s disfiguring of it). I also adore her family. They’re as much like mine as anyones and I believe they’re off-limits. Everyone’s are off-limits unless and active part of the campaign or they have skeletons that directly affect the candidate.

  155. ADMIN,

    i like everything you’ve said, i have been waiting to hear what your plan would be, and i am pleased. ofcourse, you havent said what you think about voting for mccain, in the past you said you wouldnt be doing so yourself, still, i have been wanting to know how you feel about mccain and palin now. you know, it would just be encouraging to know that you approve of them as a default…

    anyway, as someone said up thread, you have great influence, and respect among hillary supporters. remember all those, who started here and have their own blogs, come here to read what you say, so really now your message is reaching millions. so again i like everything you’ve said. many of us have been pissed at hillary, but that does not mean we dont want her. it simply meant we wanted her to take a different route.

    the important things to me, in this order:

    1. GET RID OF OBAMA
    2. GET RID OF THE DNC AS WE KNOW IT TODAY
    3. PUSH HILLARY FOR 2012

    thanks admin for being reliable…

  156. Its hilarious, McCain is hacking away from Obama the Dems strongest suit, the economy. What does Obama have now, change and uh?

  157. OkieAtty,

    That’s what makes this so aggravating and disgusting at the same time. Like you I like Palin. I even think she is more capable and experience than Obama.

    So why on earth is this guy even a senator? It’s beyond stupid!

  158. From NQ, a link to a Tony Blankley columm…Yes the same Tony Blankley whom I used to detest….I now find myself “Amen, Tony, Amen”. Man, things have changed.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_man_who_never_was.html

    September 24, 2008
    Media Campaigns Hard for Obama
    By Tony Blankley
    The mainstream media have gone over the line and are now straight-out propagandists for the Obama campaign.
    While they have been liberal and blinkered in their worldview for decades, in 2007-08, for the first time, the major media consciously are covering for one candidate for president and consciously are knifing the other. This is no longer journalism; it is simply propaganda. (The American left-wing version of the Völkischer Beobachter cannot be far behind.)
    And as a result, we are less than seven weeks away from possibly electing a president who has not been thoroughly or even halfway honestly presented to the country by our watchdogs — the press. The image of Obama that the press has presented to the public is not a fair approximation of the real man. They consciously have ignored whole years of his life and have shown a lack of curiosity about such gaps, which bespeaks a lack of journalistic instinct.
    Thus, the public image of Obama is of a “man who never was.”
    I take that phrase from a 1956 movie about a real-life World War II British intelligence operation to trick the Germans into thinking the Allies were going to invade Greece rather than Sicily in 1943. Operation Mincemeat involved the acquisition of a human corpse dressed as “Major William Martin, R.M.,” which was put into the sea near Spain. Attached to the corpse was a briefcase containing fake letters suggesting that the Allied attack would be against Sardinia and Greece.
    To make the operation credible, British intelligence concocted a fictional life for the corpse, creating a letter from a lover and tickets to a London theater — all the details of a life, but not the actual life of the dead young man whose corpse was being used. So, too, the man the media have presented to the nation as Obama is not the real man.
    The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don’t see Obama’s ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile “come on” when he is being challenged. This is the kind of editing one would expect from Goebbels’ disciples, not Cronkite’s.
    More appalling, a skit on NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” last weekend suggested that Gov. Palin’s husband had sex with his own daughters. That show was written with the assistance of Al Franken, Democratic Party candidate in Minnesota for the U.S. Senate. Talk about incest.
    But worse than all the unfair and distorted reporting and image projecting are the shocking gaps in Obama’s life that are not reported at all. The major media simply have not reported on Obama’s two years at New York’s Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers. Later, they both ended up as neighbors and associates in Chicago. Obama denies more than a passing relationship with Ayers. Should the media be curious? In only two weeks, the media have focused on all the colleges Gov. Palin has attended, her husband’s driving habits 20 years ago, and the close criticism of the political opponents Gov. Palin had when she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.
    But in two years, they haven’t bothered to see how close Obama was with the terrorist Ayers.
    Nor have the media paid any serious attention to Obama’s rise in Chicago politics. How did honest Obama rise in the famously sordid Chicago political machine with the full support of Boss Daley? Despite the great — and unflattering — details on Obama’s Chicago years presented in David Freddoso’s new book on Obama, the mainstream media continue to ignore both the facts and the book. It took a British publication, The Economist, to give Freddoso’s book a review with fair comment.
    The public image of Obama as an idealistic, post-race, post-partisan, well-spoken and honest young man with the wisdom and courage befitting a great national leader is a confection spun by a willing conspiracy of Obama, his publicist (David Axelrod) and most of the senior editors, producers and reporters of the national media.
    Perhaps that is why the National Journal’s respected correspondent Stuart Taylor wrote, “The media can no longer be trusted to provide accurate and fair campaign reporting and analysis.”
    That conspiracy not only has Photoshopped out all of Obama’s imperfections (and dirtied up his opponent McCain’s image) but also has put most of his questionable history down the memory hole.
    The public will be voting based on the idealized image of the man who never was. If he wins, however, we will be governed by the sunken, cynical man Obama really is. One can only hope that the senior journalists will be judged as harshly for their professional misconduct as Wall Street’s leaders currently are for their failings.

  159. Now what McCain should do is say, I will debate but i think we should switch it from foreign policy to the Economy and Domestic, totally throw Obama for a complete and totally leave him no time to prepare.

    Obama could not refuse to change subject with all thats going on.

  160. ADMIN – another great post … thanks for your clarification on the SML issue…of course we all want Hillary in the best leadership position she can be in…and these days the clouds are just beginning to clear…

    …”we rally on”…

  161. jbstonesfan Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
    I love how Bill is coming out now and while ostensibly supporting BO, you can tell quite readily he despises the guy !!!!!
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Damn, Bill’s goooood.

  162. Berkeley Vox Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
    One of Bill Clinton’s cardinal rules of politics is “always be the bigger person.” In
    &&&&&&

    Was that why he was always stopping off at McDonald’s??

  163. Jan,

    It DOES matter that Palin is being blamed for something that Couric said and that Palin disagreed with! Palin is being made to look bad when it was a trick by Couric.

  164. OkieAtty,

    I agree with you, but I don’t want another Cheney. That’s why I’m voting for John McCain, he is more then qualified to be President of the United States, while O is BUBBA, who believes in the hype and has no respect for Biden, nor will he listen to anybody until he get into trouble.

    Sarah Palin did her job and vp and that is to unify the base and bring strengths McCain need to win…she is doing that and is not making mistakes to hurt the campaign. I have tremdous respect for her and I also agree with her Energy Plan…I never agree with the current policy of importing 80% of you energy from countries that hate us.

    That money would go along way to bringing the trade imbalance under control while we put in alternative energy on line…Also we should be pumping more oil from Alaska to reduce the shock of natural disasters in the oil fields in the Gulf.

    Also as a Democratic fiscal conservative I have big concerns over Obamacats spending and taxes that will hit the middle class the most. It never fails with these dems, with the exception of Hillary and Bill, that they never think about the middle class will be hard hit in their tax plan.

    I lived in Obama ward and the difference from now to 30 years ago is striking in how high taxes are and how less area services because small business is very stagnant and start up is a dream.

  165. Just to be clear- I’m not a BO supporter. I don’t have a candidate for the general election. Just expressing my opinion about McCain’s suspension of his campaign & why I didn’t like it. As for being ready to be POTUS on day one who cares? I thought all that mattered was giving great speeches or being popular with the cool kids. Now some of the same people who said experience wasn’t important want demand the vp candidate be ready to take over? Puhleeze!

  166. No change in McCain debate status
    By LIZ SIDOTI – 4 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — John McCain’s campaign is welcoming news of an agreement in principle between congressional Republicans and Democrats on a bailout of the financial industry.

    But the Republican isn’t yet ready to say he will attend the presidential candidates’ first scheduled debate on Friday.

    McCain spokesman Brian Rogers says: “There’s no deal until there’s a deal.”

    He says McCain is optimistic an agreement between Congress and the Bush administration will be completed but that the afternoon developments had not changed his plans not to debate.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ho1YzTq9L7VHzsHpSjXdSXBulJmAD93DT8MG0

  167. Ex-GE CEO Welch Says To Cap Executive Pay

    Jack Welch, who ran General Electric for 20 years and was one of the nation’s highest paid CEOs, says limits on executive pay are now warranted.

    “I think without question once the federal government has to step in to bail out the private enterprise, you’ve got to modify the private enterprise pay packages,” he tells host Alex Chadwick.

    In 2002, Welch told the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer that anyone who wanted to cap executive pay would be the “dumbest guy in town” because it challenges the free enterprise system.

    In 1999, Fortune magazine called Welch the “manager of the century.”

    “Times and men’s fortunes change,” says Welch. “And we now are in a time of unprecedented difficulties.” Welch says the “misalignment between bonuses and shareowners and the public” calls for changing the rules on executive pay.

    “I’m the first to admit I never thought I’d say this,” he says.

    Republican presidential nominee John McCain has called for executives benefiting from the bailout to have compensation packages that aren’t higher than $400,000 — the salary of the president of the United States. Welch says it won’t be hard to find CEOs to work for this or less.

    ‘Wall Street And Main Street Tied Together’

    Welch says he likes the idea of infusing liquidity into the economy to alleviate the credit freeze. “Credit is tight as can be. People can’t buy cars and lease them and finance them. People can’t do a whole series of things. Some people can’t meet payrolls because they can’t get liquidity.”

    He says the debate between Congress and the executive branch should be wrapped up “fast” — within the next week. “Every day we wait and there’s no credit available. And confidence is down. You are risking American jobs. You are putting people’s 401(k) s at risk,” he says.

    “This is Wall Street and Main Street tied together at the hip,” Welch says. “It may feel unfair; it may feel a lot of those things. But in the end, we can’t let our hard-working people lose their jobs [and] lose their savings because we’re angry. We’ve got to do the right thing.”

    Welch says he’s concerned about a “very serious rapidly decelerating economy that could lead us to a very severe recession by the first quarter of next year.”

    He says we’re now in a “dislocation,” similar to the bailout of savings and loans in the 1980s, the Asian crisis in 1997, and “Black Monday,” when the stock markets plunged in 1987. The recovery may be “U-shaped” rather than “V-shaped,” he says, but he hopes that “partisanship falls to the wayside” during the debate about how to fix the economy.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95038679

  168. S, we understand that some want the Senate Majority Leader position to go to Hillary in order to protect her. Of course if the votes (or pressure) are there to make Hillary SML then Hillary does not need the “protection”.

    There will be attempts to undermine Hillary but they won’t be overt. The SML position will be a straitjacket that curtails her ability to maneuver. Indeed the SML straitjacket will make it easier to attack her (especially by the nutroots and Obama surrogates trying to keep him viable). The public attacks will be that she is not doing what should be done while behind the scenes Obama and his surrogates block the SML from doing what Obama public advocates are demanding.

    Obama is strongest with the party eggheads and some of the Dim leadership. Hillary should not play on his ballfield, but rather create her own. That is why we suggested triangulation away from the Party.

    Skmf12, the Rolling Stones had a song about polliticians and suggested it was a “choice of Cancer or Polio”. Sadly, this election is a choice of two evils. We can’t be enthusiastic about McCain but we know Obama must be defeated.

    We think of it as staying on the Obama Titanic or jumping into the ice waters of the North Atlantic to McCain (enroute to the S.S. Hillary).

  169. Apparently, the dems were so scared that McCain was coming to DC to kick ass that they tried to deal as quick as possible and drop many objections.

  170. admin, how can you be so sure BO will lose? This still seems like a year where Ham Sanwich VS. Any Repub=Ham Sandwich wins.

  171. The bill is not signed, thats what McCain is saying, its not done yet, the republicans will wait until McCain turns up, they have to vote on it, correct, so McCain will be on the floor for it.

  172. Jennifer Rubin has an article linked at RCP http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/32452- “Let McCain be McCain.” She nails Dumbass:

    As for Barack Obama, I agree with this take that his initial effort to avoid involvement with brokering a deal didn’t come off all that well. (”It’s shocking that someone who believes himself ready to lead the free world would so brazenly try to dodge any participation in what could be a defining moment in our history.”) What was striking about Obama’s comment was his remark that if “the Congressional leadership” needed him, he’d be available. It’s an odd way to put it — he is the leader of his party now and he seemed utterly disinterested in doing anything that involved active problem-solving/deal-making. He does, after all, have a current job — in the Senate.

  173. Palin Speaks!
    Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin took questions today from the campaign press corps—the first time since John McCain announced her as his running mate Aug. 29, CNN reported.

    Sarah Palin talks to reporters outside of Engine Company 10, Ladder Company 10 next to the World Trade Center site (AP)

    She took four questions after a visit to Ground Zero in Manhattan where she aligned herself with President George W. Bush’s approach to the war on terrorism. “I agree with the Bush administration that we take the fight to them. We never again let them come onto our soil and try to destroy not only our democracy, but communities like the community of New York,” she said. “Never again. So yes, I do agree with taking the fight to the terrorists and stopping them over there.”

    Palin said she did not agree with the notion that the U.S. presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is fueling Islamic extremists, arguing that the military presence “will lead to further security of our nation, again, because the mission is to take the fight over there.”

    As for her home state politics, Palin was noncommittal about her support of embattled Alaska lawmakers Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young, noting that Stevens’s trial is now under way in Washington D.C. “We’ll see where that goes,” she said, and then dodged a follow-up question on whether she would support their re-election bids.

    Asked for her position on the $700 billion bailout package before Congress, Palin was short on specifics. “I don’t support that until the provisions that Sen. McCain has offered are implemented in Paulson’s proposals,” she said.

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/25/palin-speaks/?mod=googlenews_wsj
    *****************************************************
    This is a very smart lady and you don’t become a governor without the support of your party if you didn’t have excellent political skills and charisma.

    I think too many people underestimate this woman and before you know it…she has driven a tank over your dead body all they while smiling.

    I can’t wait for the debate between Biden and Palin…I think people are going to be surprise by her performance.

  174. Rush just said that house republicans are saying they have not signed on to any deal concerning the bailout.

    That the Dems are trying to make it sound like a deal has been reached before McCain gets involved.

  175. moon,

    so who did the dems kick under the bus when they “dropped many objections?” I sure hope McCain follows through.

  176. nikki22 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
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    I know.

  177. Admin: We think of it as staying on the Obama Titanic or jumping into the ice waters of the North Atlantic to McCain (enroute to the S.S. Hillary).

    ——————————————————————————————————

    Great analogy. I hope, we do not have to stay in the North Atlantic icy waters for very long.

  178. Scrambling Toward A Compromise-(Dems Fear A McCain TRAP!)

    McCain is much smarter than they give him credit for.

    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/scrambling_toward_a_compromise.php

    John McCain’s vow to return to Washington and get this mess settled out has lit a fire under the behinds of Democratic negotiators who worry that his presence will suspend their negotiations, give House Republicans a figure to rally around in opposition to a compromise, and generally weaken their negotiation position.

    My colleague Nora McAvalnah tells me that sources close to Senate Democratic leadership now fear that McCain’s true motivation for calling off his campaign and coming back to DC is simply to cast a “NO” vote against the bailout, despite his private statements to the contrary.

    And it’s a smart maneuver: nothing says “maverick,” like voting against Bush and standing with the American public, who remain very wary of the proposal.

  179. Thanks ADMIN…I wondered how the whole SML thing was really playing out for Hillary…and it makes so much more sense for her to be her own woman with all those backstabbers in her midst….I, we, want what is best for her…

  180. Nikki22, it is funny how Big Media will label somethings “ploys” and ignore other “ploys”.

    The McCain debate delay and the campaign suspension was a campaign ploy. Obama wanting the economy as the last debate was a ploy. Everything politicians do is a campaign ploy. Hillary writing Wall Street Journal Op-eds on the economy right now are hardly bereft of political implications. Bill Clinton inviting McCain to his Global Initiative could be described as a political ploy too.

    Everything politicians do during campaign season are campaign ploys. The question is do they work? We’ll see how McCain’s gambit worked over the course of the next few days.

    But if we could be a fly on the wall it would be to see Obama screaming everytime Bill says something nice about McCain or Hillary says something intelligent about the economy.

  181. nikki22 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    As for being ready to be POTUS on day one who cares? I thought all that mattered was giving great speeches or being popular with the cool kids. Now some of the same people who said experience wasn’t important want demand the vp candidate be ready to take over? Puhleeze!
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————

    nikki22,

    I had the same thoughts myself. I thought that it was very odd that the same people are questioning her experience and readiness to be president (even though she is the vp nominee, not president) when they elected a man out of the blue, not well-known, and not properly vetted. These are the same accusations against Palin, although they forget that she is the vp nominee not top of the ticket president nominee.

    They say that Obama’s lack of foreign experience can be learned and he will be surrounded with the best people to help him. Well, so can Palin! She can learn from the vp position and she has had some executive experience. At this point, she is just as qualified as Obama is. Anyway, I read in my local newspaper a couple of months ago that Obama was being quietly schooled on foreign affairs behind the scence by Sam Nunn. That news hasn’t been linked to the media. I guess they just want us to think that Obama learned all of this on his own. So what if Palin has to be schooled on foreign affairs, so has Obama! Experience wise, I see very little difference between the two for Obama’s campaign to be making a big hissy fit about. Just my opinion.

  182. admin Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    S, we understand that some want the Senate Majority Leader position to go to Hillary in order to protect her. Of course if the votes (or pressure) are there to make Hillary SML then Hillary does not need the “protection”.

    There will be attempts to undermine Hillary but they won’t be overt. The SML position will be a straitjacket that curtails her ability to maneuver. Indeed the SML straitjacket will make it easier to attack her (especially by the nutroots and Obama surrogates trying to keep him viable).

    That’s what I said two weeks ago when SML was floated here. SML is a lightening rod for controversy. Hillary got this far by keeping her head down, and working hard. To be SML is to invite constant criticism on the 5 o’clock news. To always have your name attached to the dumbest idea of someone in your party. Besides- no POTUS has ever been SML.

  183. Auto Industry to Receive $25B in low cost Govt. Loans

    In a move that isn’t likely to get much attention due the current row over the banking industry bailout, Congress approved $25 billion worth of low cost loans for the auto industry today:

    (From the FT): “The House of Representatives on Wednesday approved a $25bn package of low-cost loans to help hard-pressed carmakers and their suppliers finance plant modernisation at a time of restricted access to public capital ­markets.

    The automotive loans are separate from the proposed $700bn bail-out for the banking sector, which is still being debated in Congress. The House approved the measure 370-58, setting the stage for Senate approval within days.

    The industry’s case has been helped by the fact that Michigan and Ohio, the two states most dependent on the car industry, are key swing states in the November 4 presidential election.

    Executives of General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler and their suppliers have lobbied heavily for the loans. Both presidential ­candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama, have expressed support…

    …The loans were originally authorised in an energy bill passed last December to finance the retooling of plants for more fuel-efficient vehicles, especially hybrid and electric cars. But they have become a crucial prop for Detroit carmakers
    continue….

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle+articleid_2651745.html

  184. moon:

    I doubt there will be many votes today..maybe tomorrow morning…key thing is rthe meetinng with Bush/cong. leaders where McCain can assert his requirements…and then go from there..

  185. Thanks Admin,

    for the explanation about Hillary and the SML position. Didn’t realize all of the duties, implications, and nuances associated with such a position. I guess whatever Hillary decides to do (besides being Obama’s vp) would be ok with me. I just will no longer push that issue.

  186. did someone mention an article in the telegraph ? or somewhere discussing hillary’s leadership vs Obama???

    could not find it…

    if so, could you please provide the link…thanks

  187. independent2008 Says:

    I had the same thoughts myself. I thought that it was very odd that the same people are questioning her experience and readiness to be president (even though she is the vp nominee, not president) when they elected a man out of the blue, not well-known, and not properly vetted. These are the same accusations against Palin, although they forget that she is the vp nominee not top of the ticket president nominee.

    They say that Obama’s lack of foreign experience can be learned and he will be surrounded with the best people to help him. Well, so can Palin!

    Na-ah! She’s got a vaj-jay-jay and everyone knows women are dumber than men. How can women learn about foreign policy and economics and trade when their head is full of meatloaf recipes, they’re breastfeeding and getting all hormonal until their claws come out?

    Like Duuuuuuuuh….

    :mrgreen:

  188. Bots are flipping out over Clinton defending McCain in his remarks today, they are apoplectic on the DU and kos blogs.
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    When will they learn that the world does not march to their drum. This isnt some rock video it is reality.

  189. Poll: Obama up by 1 in N.H.By Brian Lawson

    A poll has Barack Obama leading John McCain by one percentage point in the Granite State.

    The Allstate/National Journal Battleground State Polls shows Obama beating his rival 44 percent to 43 percent among registered voters.

    “The majority of voters across all three states (78%) feel that the outcome of this year’s Presidential election will affect them and their families, while only 14% feel it will affect them ‘not that much’ or ‘not at all.'” the poll concludes. “This is particularly true in New Hampshire with 58% of voters reporting that the outcome of the election will affect them a ‘great deal.'”

    The poll interviewed 403 registered voters and has a margin of error of 4.9 percent. The poll was also conducted in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    http://www.politickernh.com/brianlawson/3805/poll-obama-1-nh

  190. Carby- the auto bailout is BS. I know there are a lot of jobs at stake but goddamit- the writing has been on the wall for nearly 40 fucking years.

    In life you either adapt or you die. That goes for business, too.

    They didn’t adapt. They should go belly up like all dead cockroaches.

    The fact MI is so involved makes the whole thing look like a giant fucking pander- much like sugar tariffs and ethanol subsidies and use requirements get doled out for a few measly votes from IA (sorry Cody).

    Do the right thing and stop looking for votes.

  191. Admin, I have a ton of Hill supporting friends who honestly believe Hill will have all this power under an Obama admin. It’s like they don’t understand politics at all. Do they not remember why BC had to make deals with the repubs when he was president? Why there was never even an up or down vote on universal health care. Hint, sometimes your biggest political enemies are those in your own Party.

  192. I do have to say thay Sarah Palin is a great communicator. I love how she broke it down to the media:

    “When asked if she thought the continued U.S. presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is inflaming Islamic extremists, she said: “I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security of our nation … because the mission is to take the fight over there.”

    Strong and to the point!

    Obama looks and sound WEAK!

  193. A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME…

    From WashPo today, article “First Debate’s Fate Unclear As Obama Resists McCain’s Call to Postpone”, comes an unnamed “person involved in the negotiations”, this insight:

    But if McCain does not attend, “there won’t be a debate,” said one person involved in the negotiations. The event could be changed to another date, and McCain aides said that “everything was on the table” when it came to rescheduling the debate. That includes the possibility of holding it next Thursday, when the vice presidential nominees — Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — are scheduled to face off, and delaying their debate.

    Here’s the whole deal:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403937.html?nav=hcmodule

  194. mj, it was Democrats who stabbed President Bill Clinton in the back first. Obama advisors like Sam Nunn were the first out of the gate on gays in the military which put Bill in a very difficult position in his very young administration.

    Then, as you wrote, Dems blocked and carped every step of the way on everything Bill tried to do. When the Dems were booted out of congressional control due to their own corruption and exhausted agenda they blamed Bill Clinton.

    Any Democrat that thinks Obama harbors anything but ill will towards Hillary, as you wrote, does not understand politics at all. Nor do they understand how malevolent Obama and his advisors are.

  195. Krugman wonders if the bail out is a scam:

    My sneaking suspicion is that they [Paulson and Bernanke] started with a determination to throw money at the financial industry, and everything else is just an excuse.

  196. Honestly, if Obama had been the one to first suspend his campaign and ask for a postponement of the debate, then the media would be throwing bouquets at him and calling him the “messiah” among other accolades.

    This double standard is just sickening!

  197. Okie-Atty,

    It seem the Auto 25b bailout or workout has already been approved in the Energy bill and it looks like the BIG 3 came to town to hurry up the process.

    It seem the Congress is still working on the details….that’s why Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are the worst LEADERS ever…they are aptly named the “do nothing Congress.”

  198. A timeline of who tried to do what wrt fannie and freddie. Does not look good for the Dems and as is his wont, Obama was “present” on this situation in ‘05.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBRIsCkGQ0

    ——————————————-
    I hate to see chuck schumer and barney frank on the wrong side of this issue. The big culprit here was pelosi. If memory serves she was a key player in killing the reform bill–unless someone knows different/ The point however is Hillary and McCain were and are on the side of the angels and true to form the passive junior senator from Illionis was simply present/

  199. Campaign: Palin Can’t Be Spared to Raise Money
    By Michael Luo

    When finance officials for Senator John McCain and the Republican National Committee drew up their fund-raising schedule for the fall, they had planned for his running mate to bear much of the load.

    But that was before Mr. McCain’s pick of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska injected fresh energy into the Republican base and she emerged as an enormous draw on the campaign trail — often more of a draw than Mr. McCain himself.

    So McCain-Palin campaign officials have elected to put the two together much of the time on the stump, instead of having them campaign separately, as is often the case for presidential tickets.

    McCain fund-raisers said initially last month during the Republican national convention that she would be deployed to more than 30 events in September and October benefiting the joint fund-raising committee for the Republican National Committee, several state parties and the campaign’s legal and accounting compliance fund, compared to just four for Mr. McCain.

    Because the McCain campaign is accepting public financing, it is barred from raising any more money for its own coffers, but the Republican Party can still collect money and spend it on his behalf, under certain restrictions.

    Ms. Palin’s fund-raising schedule was essentially halved after consultations between finance and political officials. But even that reduced scheduled has been cut back in the last few weeks to the point that she has only done one fund-raiser in Ohio to date, fund-raising officials said. Finance officials said they decided not to hold three or four events they had been planning under their revised schedule because of the demands for her on the trail.

    Just this week, Cindy McCain appeared instead of Ms. Palin at a fund-raiser in Wyoming, as well as another one in Seattle, where Mrs. McCain made an appearance with Ms. Palin’s husband, Todd.
    Fund-raising officials said Ms. Palin is still scheduled to do 10 fund-raisers in October, including events in Texas, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. She is also supposed to appear with Mr. McCain at a fund-raiser in New York.

    Liberal bloggers and others have speculated that the drop-off of appearances by Ms. Palin is driven by the campaign’s reluctance to put her in a situation where she might have to spontaneously answer questions. But McCain fund-raisers said her time is better spent on the trail. Besides, they said, they are still on track to exceed their goal of raising $100 million in September and October.

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/palin-cant-be-spared-to-raise-money-campaign-says/

  200. MJ, you have no idea how many truly stupid people there are in this world.

    There were folks that thought the Nazi’s were harmless, too. Many of them and their children could be candidates for the Darwin Award.

  201. What is up with Halley Barber throwing mcCain under the bus by saying the debate will go on? As Governor he could pressure the University of MS to postpone it.

  202. wbboei,

    I’m beginning to think that Obama votes present or abstains whenever he doesn’t have a clue what the right thing to do is…which is pretty much always.

    some president he would make…NOT!

    This is definitely a twilight zone moment.

  203. Michigan Poll Released by Market Research Group of Lansing: Barack Obama 43%, John McCain 46%

    Washington D.C. 9/25/2008 06:21 PM GMT (FINDITT)

    Here are the latest results from the Michigan poll by Market Research Group of Lansing published on USAElectionPolls.com:

    There were 600 voters polled on 9/15-20.

    Market Research Group of Lansing
    Date: 9/15-20
    Michigan
    Added: 9/24/08
    John McCain 46%
    Barack Obama 43%

    Quote:

    Editor of Inside Michigan Politics. “The current polling shows that they still like him and they like and support Sarah Palin as his running mate.”

    The poll showed that Obama continues to show strong support among women (+2%), young voters (+16%), African Americans (+89%), voters living in the Detroit Metro area (+9%) along with his traditional Democratic base.

    John McCain is showing strength among blue–collar voters (+10%), men (+9%), white males (+29%), conservatives (+62%) and voters living in West Michigan (+12%) and the Flint/Saginaw/Bay City Area (+8%).

    Voters like McCain/Palin’s Experience and Judgment – But Change is a Toss –up. Voters believe the McCain/Palin ticket has more experience (61% – 31%) than the Obama/Biden ticket and they trust their judgment more (48% – 41%). But when it comes to bringing the right kind of change to Washington, the voter’s are split, – giving the Obama/Biden ticket a one-percent edge (44% – 43%).

    The poll was conducted by Marketing Resource Group, Inc. (MRG) of Lansing, Michigan, between September 15 and 19. It sampled 600 likely voters in Michigan and has a statistical margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percent. MRG has been polling Michigan voters on political issues for more than 28 years.

    http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=62816&cat=5

  204. THANK YOU ADMIN…
    its the choices you make, you’re a good leader…
    ********

    from noquarter:
    *********

    The email I just got.

    Who Am I?

    I am under 45 years old,
    I love the outdoors,
    I hunt,
    I am a Republican reformer,
    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
    I have many children,
    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor’s office.

    Teddy Roosevelt

    In 1901, as Vice President, the 42-year-old Roosevelt succeeded President William McKinley after McKinley’s assassination by anarchist Leon Czolgosz. He is the youngest person to become President. He was a Progressive reformer who sought to move the dominant Republican Party into the Progressive camp. He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved forty monopolistic corporations as a “trust buster”. He was clear, however, to show he did not disagree with trusts and capitalism in principle but was only against corrupt, illegal practices. His “Square Deal” promised a fair shake for both the average citizen (through regulation of railroad rates and pure food and drugs) and the businessmen. He was the first U.S. president to call for universal health care and national health insurance.[5][6] As an outdoorsman, he promoted the conservation movement, emphasizing efficient use of natural resources. After 1906 he attacked big business and suggested the courts were biased against labor unions. In 1910, he broke with his friend and anointed successor William Howard Taft, but lost the Republican nomination to Taft and ran in the 1912 election on his own one-time Bull Moose ticket. He beat Taft in the popular vote and pulled so many Progressives out of the Republican Party that Democrat Woodrow Wilson won in 1912, and the conservative faction took control of the Republican Party for the next two decades. From Wikipedia

    Thoughts?

    Cross posted from the Hampster Cage at Partizane.com

  205. US election: McCain makes political hay of financial crisis

    John McCain today sought to use America’s credit crisis as a showcase for his presidential leadership skills for the second time in 24 hours, once again catching Barack Obama off-guard.

    McCain made a dramatic arrival in Washington this morning for a scheduled meeting at the White House between George Bush and Democratic and Republican leaders meant to help Congress come to a deal on a $700bn bailout package.
    continue….

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/25/uselections2008.johnmccain

  206. If all you have at this point is an agreement in principle then the language still needs to be worked out and in a policitically charged atmosphere the devil can be in the detail. Both of them need to be there, and Obamas reticence is now a matter of record.

  207. I know I am far less savvy when it comes to politics than probably everyone on this board, but I am confounded by the blatant media bias. And the lack of attacks on the “do nothing” democratic congress by the Repubs. I am beginning to believe there may be truth to the conspiracy theories. After all they had to know this was coming and did nothing and in fact took vacations. People have lost thier homes due to thier inaction. For what so it could be timed to maximize its effect on the election? I was sickenned now I am numb. It just all seems so gamed. Sorry to vent.

  208. Times and men’s fortunes change,” says Welch. “And we now are in a time of unprecedented difficulties.” Welch says the “misalignment between bonuses and shareowners and the public” calls for changing the rules on executive pay.

    “I’m the first to admit I never thought I’d say
    this,” he says.
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    I have read his books and talked to his people. This guy is the mother of all cutthroat executives. The culture he set up in ge was deadly. He was the one who threw out the old nbc news management who were devoted to the truth in the tradition of its founder general sarnoff and gave us the money grubbing liars like capus who run nbc today. Now he decides executive bonuses are too high–that was never his mantra before. In Bejing they come from hundreds of miles away to hear him lecture, they stand on the floor, the crowd in the hallways they hang from the rafters to hear all the wisdom pouring forth from him. Cuthroat slash and burn management 901, and now he says it has gone too far. Thanks Jack–for everything. Keep sending those cards and letters/

  209. A Terrible Scandal

    JEWISH DIASPORA] Sarah Palin, the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate, was invited to speak at a protest demonstration outside the United Nations building. She, along with Hillary Clinton, was due to speak against the man who embodies the greatest threat to the survival of the Jewish people and the State of Israel – the Hitler of our time: Iran’s President Ahmedinijad.

    A leftist organization, claiming to be pro-Israel and pro-Jewish, displayed a hatred of Republicans and of Sarah Palin and forced the organizers of the protest demonstration to disinvite Ms. Palin. They cared less about the worst threat to Jewish survival since the time of Hitler than to their left-wing hatred of Republicans. But this group, though consisting of Jews, was not pro-Jewish or pro-Israel by any stretch of the imagination; it was pro-Left. End of story.

    At the same time, Senator Hillary Clinton, the failed Democrat presidential candidate, withdrew from the protest because she too could not bear to be seen speaking at the same meeting as a Republican woman politician. It seems in the twisted logic of the Left that only Democrat women politicians are acceptable, not Republican women
    continue…

    http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=4/b/viii/250920081
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    They’re still talking about this and it looks very bad for the Democratic? Taliban Party.

  210. HUSSEIN obama is phony….a first grader knows how to identify yes or no..how the helll on this earth that this con artist does not know how to vote yes or no. he does not have the balls, so he casts his votes “present” all the time.

    HRC 2012

  211. wbboei Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    I believe you are right. I have gotten skewered for professing this on another blog. The scary thing in the end is that ALL networks are in the tank for the FRAUD… ALL. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US….1984…

  212. wonder if this will work for the BHO ticket, and whether the news media will run with this as a campaign tactic…

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/25/joe-motion-biden-tears-up-in-pennsylvania/

  213. hmmm…after they trashed Hillary for “almost” tearing up during the primary, I wonder if they will give Biden a pass? 😉

  214. rjk1957 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    What is up with Halley Barber throwing mcCain under the bus by saying the debate will go on? As Governor he could pressure the University of MS to postpone it.
    ******************

    Is he Repub?

  215. Palin: ‘Every American’ should visit ground zero
    by Jason Fink/The Jersey Journal
    Thursday September 25, 2008, 2:34 PM

    Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice presidential nominee, toured ground zero yesterday, meeting with firefighters and visiting the Tribute WTC Visitor Center museum across the street from the site.

    “I wish every American would come through here. I wish every world leader would come through here” Palin said. “And just to hear from and see these good New Yorkers, who are rebuilding not just this area, but are helping to rebuild America, is very inspiring.”

    Palin was given a guided tour of the Tribute center — a small museum started by family members of 9/11 victims that displays photographs and artifacts of the terrorist attacks and their aftermath — by Lee Ielpi, the president of the Board of Directors of the September 11 Families Association.

    Ielpi, whose son, a New York firefighter, was killed in the attacks, was one of the founders of the museum, which is funded by donations.

    Palin told him that her parents came to New York right after 9/11 and volunteered at the Staten Island landfill where much of the wreckage was taken.

    She spent 40 minutes inside the museum, about half of that trailed by photographers and reporters, and then toured privately with Ielpi and Jennifer Adams, CEO of the Tribute center.

    “She was very moved, she was honored that we took the time to meet with her,” said Adams. “She was concerned about the recovery workers who are getting sick.”

    After Palin left the Tribute center, she went to the family viewing area at the edge of the pit. She then shook hands and spoke with members of Ladder 10 and Engine 10, the firehouse directly across from the Trade Center, on Liberty Street.

    “She was very personable, she was a little emotional,” said Firefighter John Morabito, who drove Ladder 10 to the Twin Towers on the morning of 9/11 and lost several of his crew members. “She was very friendly. I think she is actually a very decent person.”

    Pressed on whether he would vote for Palin and the Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Morabito smiled and said: “I think we’ll keep that under wraps for now.”

    Palin’s day began at the Clinton Global Initiative at the Hilton Hotel in midtown Manhattan, where she watched McCain give a speech before heading to Washington to work on the $700 billion economic bailout package that President Bush has proposed.

    As criticism of Palin continued to mount yesterday over her reluctance to take questions from members of the media, she spoke briefly with reporters on the sidewalk in front of the firehouse before heading to the airport.

    Asked about the bailout legislation before Congress, she said, “I don’t support that until provisions that Sen. McCain has offered are implemented.”

    She also answered questions about whether she agreed with Bush’s foreign policy since 9/11, expressing general support for the administration.

    “I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security for our nation,” she said.

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2008/09/_gov_sarah_palin_of.html
    *****************************************************
    I can tell liberal bias when they edit or take out of context Sarah’s quotes, like the last sentence.

    What a difference between Obama’s attitude on 911 memorial day…no connection.

  216. Debbie- great story. I still love Joe even if he screwed over Anita Hill and is playing 2nd fiddle to a sociopathic thug like Dumbass.

    Gonzo- Haley is a Republican. And he’s not throwing McCain under the bus. He just said it’s still on. Which it is until it’s not. Why someone stated that earlier I do not know. *slapping forehead*

  217. Agreed re: admin’s “ploy” comment. McCain cleverly accomplished two things by threatening to ditch Friday’s debate: first, he appears less partisan, and more interested in solving real problems, in the midst of an economic crisis. Second, he has raised the media profile of the debate, guaranteeing that more people will tune in, for what is a bad Friday-night time slot. He wants to increase viewership, and this is a sure-fire way to remind everyone that there’s a debate.

  218. rjk1957 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    gonzotx
    yep, he was the RNC chairman before being elected gov.
    ****************

    Well that is the final proof the powers that be are all in the tank for the Fraud. I don’t see how McCain wins. The votes will be lost, stolen whatever. This is depressing

  219. They did the same thing to Hillary and we still won….only thing that hurt us was the caucuses because you can fix them easier.

    So, I don’t think the dems would be this upset and shrill about Gov. Palin if she wasn’t hurting them and since the RNC see that they have a star…they will continue to groom her for the future.

    She is helping to bring back young women to the Republican party and I think that’s a good thing. This country works best from the center.

  220. PALIN CONTACT STORY:

    A friend of mine met Sarah Palin yesterday as she was coming from NY City yesterday. They were heading down the NJ Turnpike and pulled into the Exit 7 Sunoco statioin for air in their tires and directions to PA. He temporarily blanked on her name, so he said, “Hey, you’re the next Vice President of the United States”. I think she may have stepped out of the limo. Cindy McCain was with her too.

    Pretty cool.

  221. carbynew
    what I am worried about are absentee votes by students. Can you mail in one from your home state and then vote where you are attending college? A young man told me he did exactly that in the primaries, albeit he registered twice before the deadline on the second.

  222. Palin defends Alaska-Russia foreign policy remark
    By AMY WESTFELDT – 15 minutes ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin defended her remark that the close proximity of Russia to her home state of Alaska gives her foreign policy experience, explaining in a CBS interview airing Thursday that “we have trade missions back and forth.”

    Palin has never visited Russia and until last year the 44-year-old Alaska governor had never traveled outside North America. She also had never met a foreign leader until her trip this week to New York. In the CBS interview, she did not offer any examples of having been involved in any negotiations with the Russians.

    Palin’s foreign policy experience came up when she gave her first major interview, on Sept. 11 to ABC News. Asked what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, she said: “They’re our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”

    The comment met with derision from Palin’s critics and was turned into a punch line for a “Saturday Night Live” skit featuring actress Tina Fey. Appearing as Palin, she proclaimed, “I can see Russia from my house!”

    In the interview with CBS News anchor Katie Couric, Palin said: “It’s funny that a comment like that was, kind of made to … I don’t know, you know? Reporters …”

    Couric said, “Mock?”

    “Yeah,” Palin said, “mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.”

    When Couric asked how Alaska’s closeness to Russia enhanced her foreign policy experience, Palin said, “Well, it certainly does because our … our next-door neighbors are foreign countries.” Alaska shares a border with Canada.

    Palin didn’t answer directly when Couric inquired about whether she had been involved in any negotiations with the Russians.

    “We have trade missions back and forth,” she replied. As she continued, Palin brought up Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

    “It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where — where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is — from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to … to our state,” she said.

    Earlier Thursday, Palin held a rare exchange with reporters outside a ground zero firehouse in New York, and declined to endorse the candidacy of indicted Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens. On trial for seven counts of making false statements stemming from allegations that he concealed gifts on Senate financial documents, Stevens is running for re-election to retain the seat he has held since 1968.

    When a reporter asked Palin if she supports the re-election of Stevens, she replied: “Ted Stevens’ trial started a couple of days ago. We’ll see where that goes.”

    Outside the firehouse just across from the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Palin took just a handful of questions from reporters. She has yet to have a news conference in the four weeks since Republican presidential candidate John McCain chose her to be his running mate and has submitted to only three major interviews — with ABC, Fox News and CBS.

    Palin was asked if she thought the U.S. presence in Iraq and Afghanistan was helping to mitigate terrorism

    “I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security for our nation. We can never again let them onto our soil,” she said.

    In keeping with McCain’s decision to halt his campaign activities to deal with the financial markets rescue plan being negotiated by Congress and the Bush administration, Palin was heading to Philadelphia but not planning any events for the day, the campaign said.

    Wrapping up a trip to New York, the Alaska governor toured a visitors center dedicated to those who lost their lives in the 2001 attacks. She later walked past a bronze memorial built into the wall of a firehouse, which commemorates the 343 firefighters who died on Sept. 11. She touched the wall several times.

    “To come here and see these good New Yorkers who are not only rebuilding this area but rebuilding America, it’s very inspiring,” she told reporters.

    Palin asked several questions during the tour about progress rebuilding the trade center site, victims’ families and particularly the health problems suffered by ground zero workers, said Jennifer Adams, CEO of the tribute center. Health advocates believe thousands of people became ill from exposure to toxic dust from the ruins of the trade center site.

    Palin’s parents went to New York in January 2002 to help control the rat population in Staten Island’s Fresh Kills landfill as part-time contract workers with the Agriculture Department, her mother, Sally Heath, told The Associated Press on Thursday.

    Their task for two weeks was to control the rats so that they did not disturb the debris from the World Trade Center that was being brought there and searched by forensic teams for human remains.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h21ZbzgPbTVRftcJPT5vkHkonY5QD93DUQV81
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    Why is it that east coasters think only they understand foreign policy?

    I’m from the CA and there is such bias on intellect back east…I find it interesting how people on the East Coast are clueless about what is happening on the West Coast.

    Just Clueless.

  223. # gonzotx Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Well that is the final proof the powers that be are all in the tank for the Fraud. I don’t see how McCain wins. The votes will be lost, stolen whatever. This is depressing

    HUH? What are you saying?That makes no sense. Barbour and McCain are the same party. Barbour is a team player. He’s not with Dumbass. Trust me on this one. He’s definitely Team McCain.

  224. The MSM and the European media has crossed a line…by mocking our religious beliefs.

    VIDEO LINK: Palin blessed free from witchcraft
    EXTERNAL LINK:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

    By The Associated Press

    Story Created: Sep 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM EDT

    Story Updated: Sep 25, 2008 at 4:00 PM EDT

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) – A YouTube video shows Sarah Palin being blessed in her church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from witchcraft as she prepared to seek higher office.

    The video shows Palin standing before Bishop Thomas Muthee in Wasilla Assembly of God with her head bowed as he asks God “in the name of Jesus” to “save her from Satan” and “use her to turn this nation.”

    The date of the sermon listed on the church Web site is October 16th, 2005. Palin announced her gubernatorial bid two days later and was elected the next year. The Republican vice presidential nominee was baptized at the church, but stopped attending regularly in 2002.

    http://www.winknews.com/news/campaign/29757469.html
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    Why the AP picked up this story and other here when they know this is typical in this country and religous freedom is one of our fundamental rights.

    Keep this up and the Democrats are going to lose a lot of voters.

  225. You know I like Gov Palin even though I don’t agree with her politics. Plus I sympathize with how the press has treated her like crap. But what does this mean? “It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where — where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is — from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to … to our state,” she said. It’s not really coherent. I’m not bashing her because gaffe machine Biden rolls out a whopper every hour. But she needs to get better at expressing herself in these interviews. Or her handlers need to better prepare her. The MSM is already against her so she doesn’t need to give them more reasons to hammer on her intelligence or experience. Hopefully she will have improved by the debate.

  226. carbynew
    just a thought but I think it may have something to do with the film industry. Or arts in general. Hollywood is percieved as fluff while NY films are often introspective. LA is not CA anymore than NYC is NY.

  227. McCain will win this unless there is a freak accident ala “King Ralph” and Hillary substitutes on the ballot.

    BTW- I wanted to point out in the Guardian link Dumbass is quoted as saying,

    “”The American people deserve to hear directly from myself and Senator McCain about how we intend to lead our country. The times are too serious to put our campaign on hold, or to ignore the full range of issues that the next president will face.”

    His quote, I think, perfectly demonstrates how stupid and egotistical he is.

    First, he fails to grasp the concept that leaders lead they don’t just speak. The myth of America is that we are all doers when in fact there are asshats like Dumbass who think talking gets the job done. Nope. Sorry. Thanks for playing. We have some nice parting prizes.

    Second, he cannot know the full breadth of how bad this crisis is unless he is there for the meetings. Insulating himself with his paid sycophants who are not even part of the solution and in some cases were part of the problem, accomplishes nothing. Get yer ass down their and talk to people. Ask questions. And for crissakes realize it’s not about the election- it’s about the solutions, idiot.

  228. i have a little happy story. i went on one of my non-political blogs, and they were talking about supreme court justices, i decided to end my comment with this shoutout,
    ‘HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR MCCAIN/PALIN 08’

    well a little while ago, i went back to the site, to add comments about something, and there was a private message for me in my box. it was a guy who is a regular, and he said he was a hillary supporter too, he said he was unsure what he would do in the election. he hates obama, but he’s worried about supreme justices. i told him to read 44 for a few days, and see what other hillary supporters are saying about obama and mccain…

    i’m going end everything, with the hillary supporter shout out to mccain. never know when someone is a possible convert… 🙂

  229. OkieAtty Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm HUH? What are you saying?That makes no sense. Barbour and McCain are the same party. Barbour is a team player. He’s not with Dumbass. Trust me on this one. He’s definitely Team McCain.

    rjk1957 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    What is up with Halley Barber throwing mcCain under the bus by saying the debate will go on? As Governor he could pressure the University of MS to postpone it.

  230. nikki22 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    she needs to tout that she is indeed the CIC of the National Guard of AK, which is inded the front line when it comes to Russia

  231. OT:

    Robert Slater’s biography on Soros has been updated and a new edition is coming out next January titled:

    Soros: the life, ideas, and impact of the world’s most influential investor.

  232. O’REILLY on the radio went OFF on both the Republicans and the Democrats over this crisis. He defended BILL CLINTON! O’ Reilly is right for once. BOTH parties protected their turf (the Repubs protected the big banks, and the Dems protected Fannie and Freddie)

    NONE OF THEM protected the public interest.

    Listen to this – for once I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH BILL O!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDou01X5d28

  233. HillaryforTexas
    didn’t hear the O’Reilly broadcast as I have lumped him into the tank. The way he permitted bambi to touch his leg several times during his in depth interview made me wretch. When does a Presedential nominee in what was billed as his most aggressive interview reach out and touch the interviewer. GROSS. If I was doing a cut to the chase interview and my interviewee touched my leg I”d call him on it. Unless of course it sent a tingle down my leg!!

  234. Thank you admin for you wise and timely support for those of us that support Hillary and only want the best for the smartest woman politician of our time.She worked her heart out for her country and her party and the DNC and the HUSTLER have cheated her out of the candidacy that she earned with blood sweat and tears.I use these words to honor Hillary for withstanding the onslaught of her fellow senators that she spent time and canpaigned for with great results.We must remember to turn them out of office in their next attempt to retain seats. I totally agree now that she would serve us better as the senator from NY without the perils of being SML and the target again of these ungrateful vermin that have followed the orders of the party leaders to nominate The Hustler and avoid the threats of civil unrest if he is not elected.Our country is now under siege from within and without but we still have Hillary and Bill to guide us through this mess.I hope that many of you dems that questioned Hillary’s intentions for supporting THe Party even if it took the disgusting support of The Hustler will now realize that she will rise to fight on another day FOR US.I may not make it to 2012 bu I sure will not give up trying.

    By ABM90. With you all the way Hillary

  235. Gonzo, there’s no reason for him to pressure. If McCain cancels, he cancels. Period. Dumbass would release a crappy statement and the press will yell, “Next story.”

  236. OkieAtty Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    Gonzo, there’s no reason for him to pressure. If McCain cancels, he cancels. Period. Dumbass would release a crappy statement and the press will yell, “Next story.”

    _________________________________________________________________________________

    I agree, everyone is acting like the debate is more important. Only in America

  237. McCain to do round of network interviews tonight

    John McCain will appear on all three network newscasts tonight, a top aide said.

    McCain is at the White House meeting with President Bush, Barack Obama and congressional leaders now and will tape interviews with NBC, ABC and CBS after the West Wing session.

    McCain also appeared in a taped interview last night with Katie Couric on CBS.

    Aides are still in wait-and-see mode on whether they’ll attend the debate, but are prepared to have the candidate jet down to Memphis, the closest major airport to Oxford, as late as tomorrow afternoon if a deal is reached.

  238. Henry- I double checked and Maine and Wyoming can be same day but in your own ton hall or precinct. Seeing how both are very sparsely populated and folks aren’t exactly going to let strangers by in registering since they know everyone, I’m guessing this hardly gets abused by would-be fraudulent voters.

  239. Why hasn’t anyone thought to simply change the debate topic whether it’s held Friday or Monday? The economy is most relevant to voters right now not foreign policy. They could even maybe change the format to a townhall. It could still be at Ole Miss just modified to reflect current events.

  240. Anyone have an idiots guide to the bailout
    to me 700billion just seems so extreme. homeowners refinancing beyond thier means created this?

  241. If McCain unsuspends- he ought to pounce on the “They can call me” statement by Dumbass. Do an ad and call it “Phoning It In.” Or Crisis Management By Dominoes.”

    You cannot phone in crisis management be it economics, national security, or some other emergency legislation. And like Hillary said- at 3am, who do you trust to answer the call?

  242. Fox was showing the pictures at the WH with Bush and others. I kept trying to picture Hillary there instead of Obama and everytime saw her overshadowing the clown Pelosi and Reid and of course, Bush. The Princess was sitting there hunched over with no presence in the room.

  243. Henry- hubby says it goes back to the bankruptcy bill, but in truth farther. In a nutshell, Fannie/Freddie got to lax in reviewing loans they bought from local banks and mortgage companies. Since they’re federal, they are guaranteed loans. So when they sell them on (industry practice is A gives the loan then sells the loan to B then C buys from B, etc.. They do this in bundles of “graded” paper- A credit, B credit, etc.. The better the credit, the better the price on selling the loan bc the risk isn’t as great for an A than for a C.). So, F/F sell off the bad loans they’ve bought based upon their reputation and the new buyers- Goldman, Lehman, etc. don’t really review them because F/F is doing the selling and the govt (actually govt sponsored) never fucks anyone over, right? Problem is the guy running the show has promised huge returns for and is lax in the paper review/accounting bc the more paper they buy and sell, the more fees they get from the front end. So they pass on the bad risks to others who then start to see huge defaults when these bad loans- many ARM’s (adjustable rate mortages)- start to increase payments of borrowers beyond their means.

    Now move back up stream to before F/F buy-ups- the local banks and lenders are going nutso writing paper. They’re refi’ing everything they can- and it builds and artificial job market which must be supported by more and more loans being written, bundled and sold to F/F who then bundle and send down stream to hedge funds and huge finance firms looking to diversify. Real estate seems safe bc it’s collateralized but- the buy-sell-buy-sell boom has artificially inflated markets (bc everyone is buying it became a sellers market and demand inflates prices) so the actual value of the real estate is less than the loan value and what the mark-up was on the paper purchased from F/F.

    So- the Federal Reserve has been dropping rates meant for banks- not the average Joe- and local lenders sucked folks in who were greedy in trying to save a buck. Unscrupulous lenders faked financial reports for borrowers making them look like better risks than they were, unscrupulous real estate agents forced sales to folks who were never qualified, and appraisers inflated values so loan values could be met so everyone in the transaction could get paid. Once the closing was over and everyone got their check- the loans were bundled up and sold off making it someone else’s problem when the brokeass borrower who should never have received a loan defaults on a house worth only maybe half of what he bought it for.

    Anyhow- hope that helps a little.

    It’s not the whole thing, but getting into hedge funds and why 401k’s are worth less may give me a heart attack at the moment.

  244. Idunn, that’d be sweet. I google news’ed it after your post. He’s in deep doo doo.

    Nice to also see his veto of ethics legislation. That’s priceless!

  245. Lawmakers in Illinois Make Ethics Top Priority

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    By SUSAN SAULNY
    Published: September 24, 2008

    CHICAGO — In this state with a history of corruption at the highest levels of government and little history of meaningful reform, lawmakers and the governor have embarked on a sudden, surprising scurry to enact ethics legislation this week.

    And while Illinois should soon have at least one new ethics law on its books as a result, a backbiting political drama has come along with it, exposing questionable maneuvering in what state officials themselves call one of the most dysfunctional state governments in the nation.

    On Monday, the State Senate voted unanimously to overturn Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich’s veto of a bill that barred companies seeking or holding state contracts worth more than $50,000 from making campaign contributions to top elected officials who control contracts, like the governor.

    The law, three years in the making, takes aim at “pay-to-play” politics, in which companies are expected to donate money to politicians in order to work for the state, a longstanding affliction here.

    The veto override was a strong rebuke to aspects of Mr. Blagojevich’s administration that became public in the recent corruption trial of Antoin Rezko, one of the governor’s top fund-raisers and a former patron of Senator Barack Obama. Even before the trial, Mr. Blagojevich’s administration was embroiled in a federal investigation into hiring fraud in several departments.

    Mr. Obama, ever aware of Illinois’ reputation, is credited with spurring the State Senate to action, with a phone call to its leader last week urging swift movement of the bill. The override of the veto passed, 55 to 0. That bill is to become law in the new year.

    Mr. Blagojevich, a Democrat, technically did not veto the bill outright, but rather added his own ethical reform measures to it. Those measures then became the basis for the governor’s own new ethics legislation.

    On Tuesday, the Senate overwhelmingly approved Mr. Blagojevich’s bill, which focuses more on them than on him and was essentially a repackaged version of what they had heartily rejected on Monday.

    Many in and out of Springfield were left scratching their heads.

    “It was like being in ‘The Twilight Zone,’ ” said Cynthia Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, who has long advocated for a ban on political contributions from contractors. “It’s really a kind of study in state meltdown.”

    Given the public’s appetite for ethics reform, some lawmakers who disagreed with the Blagojevich-backed bill said they had voted for it anyway so as not to have to explain rejecting any kind of reform to voters.

    Further, some said they were certain that it would die in the House, where the leader, John A. Fritchey, chief sponsor of the original bill, is openly disdainful of the governor.

    “To vote against it, I’d be explaining that forever,” said Senator Rickey R. Hendon, a Democrat who voted to override the governor’s veto and for the governor’s reform package. “I don’t want to deal with any of that.”

    “We’re confusing everybody,” he added. “That’s the way they play the game here in Illinois.”

    Mr. Fritchey, a Democrat, predicts a certain death for Mr. Blagojevich’s package, which includes heightened lobbying disclosure requirements, a ban on legislators working other government jobs and a requirement that legislators affirmatively vote for their own pay raises.

    “The vote by the Senate was a convenient political dodge that allowed Illinois senators to tell their constituents that they voted for a supposedly stronger ethics bill despite knowing that what they passed will never become law,” Mr. Fritchey said. “It’s not only poorly drafted but frankly unconstitutional.”

    Mr. Fritchey and others did say that they thought some of the governor’s ideas had merit, just not in their present form.

    But Mr. Blagojevich does not see it that way. “Regardless of what they think the motives are, most people would agree with what the results and effect is,” said his spokesman, Lucio Guerrero. “I don’t think anyone would say there’s enough ethics law in Illinois.”

  246. Henry- okay- next part- so the bailout isn’t just about homeowners. It’s about cheap credit that was sent around everywhere. Companies used it to expand, small businesses started, etc.. And instead of following time tested rules generated from similar meltdowns through history, bad risks were taken. The bankruptcy bill only perpetuated the cycle of bad debt unfortunately.

    So now- what’s with the $700B- easy- the US govt is buying the collateralized debt. Some of the money like with AIG will be paid back, most will not and the feds will then get to own your home if you’re in hock and losing your house. This makes the bankruptcy stuff worse bc the federal government is not dimissable in bankruptcy. If you were to file for bankruptcy and would normally qualify for a liquidation bc things are just SO bad, you won’t get to include any overage on a foreclosure. So, you buy a house for $300K. It’s actually worth $150K. Foreclosure happens- sheriff’s sale- and the house sells at auction for $100K- You still owe $200K to the US govt. in theory. FOREVER. Neat, huh?

    So, let’s see how they structure the bailout so we can figure out what it is, what companies are involved, what property might be involved and what taxpayers will actually pay. Once we get details, then we’ll know more about what they are rescuing.

  247. nikki22 Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
    ———————

    Huh? Isn’t that sort of backwards? Taking care of a crisis in the real world is exactly what a President should do. Campaigning is much less important.

    McCain probably could hop a plane, land on the studio roof, and out-debate Obama. It is Obama who needs days of prep and rehearsal. That is why McCain’s suspension of his own campaign was a good gesture: to allow Obama to concentrate on the financial problem so they could both give their best input to the decision of Congress.

    I like it that McCain simply ACTED: suspended his ads etc unilaterallly. Rather than take time to negotiate the terms of a time-out or even play phone tag.

    There’s more to a campaign than just the debate. By suspending everything — ads, fundraising, stumping, etc — he gave himself and Obama a chance to give their FULL attention to the crisis for a few days.

  248. great article admin…im with neetabug lil hillary or bill in admin lol….

    obama will loose all red states like wyo mt nd ones where he had those fake cacus and sd all will vote mccain…Hill supporters wont budge for obama here yipeeee

  249. This thing with IL Gov. blagevich is taking too long in my opinion..

    even delaying the sentencing of Rezko was something I cannot understand…

  250. admin Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    Nikki22, it is funny how Big Media will label somethings “ploys” and ignore other “ploys”.

    ************************************************

    you know what I think is funny/ironic is here is obama and his camp going on and on about ‘a president being able to do more than one thing at a time…and must be able to do many things,’ etc…

    …and the reality is that Obama has been holed up in Clearwater, Florida at an exclusive hotel/golf course for most of this week ‘studying’ for his exam, er, debate…

    and then he has to be asked back to washington to work on the ‘financial Pearl Harbor’ of our lifetime…

    he should be getting pounded by the press for having the audacity to ‘go on vacation’ and taking the luxury of days on end to study for a debate when there is such serious work to do…

    where is the outrage about that???

    this guy is always missing in action when needed

  251. The Hustler is fast and loose with his hands.He wants to known as a hands on Pres.He is a feeler and does it to excess.I have noticed How he loves to touch and kiss white gals but only gives a hafasst hug or touch to his Black gals.He is one misfit we can do without or this country will be in no position to fight the many small and large complex issues that he will face and the large problems he will generate as CIC.Lots of red lights are about to start flashing.

    By ABM 90

  252. neetabug Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    ***************
    It was the fact that he did not come out in clear support of McCain… He had an opportunity to say JM was putting Country before Party and that’s what Presidents do, and Ole MISS will be ready when ever the opportunity arises.

    We’ll call bambi ….

  253. Okie said: So now- what’s with the $700B- easy- the US govt is buying the collateralized debt. Some of the money like with AIG will be paid back, most will not and the feds will then get to own your home if you’re in hock and losing your house. This makes the bankruptcy stuff worse bc the federal government is not dimissable in bankruptcy. If you were to file for bankruptcy and would normally qualify for a liquidation bc things are just SO bad, you won’t get to include any overage on a foreclosure. So, you buy a house for $300K. It’s actually worth $150K. Foreclosure happens- sheriff’s sale- and the house sells at auction for $100K- You still owe $200K to the US govt. in theory. FOREVER.

    OUCH. And it was your tax money the government used to buy the mortgage in the first place. So for the house you lost, you’re still paying the inflated difference TWICE: directly to the government as morgage holder, AND the bill they are sending you for back taxes.

    As for borrowers, there’s a set of them who could have qualified for a conventional, fixed-rate mortgage, but were sold the risky kind instead because it made more money in commissions for the middlemen. Imo in those cases the mortgage should revert to conventional terms with credit to the buyers for existing overpayments, and some of teh cost taken out of the hides of the middlemen.

  254. Hillary as usual has got the key, and is putting it right up front as the title of her WSJ op-ed: “Let’s keep people in their homes.”

  255. OkieAtty Says: If McCain unsuspends- he ought to pounce on the “They can call me” statement by Dumbass. Do an ad and call it “Phoning It In.” Or Crisis Management By Dominoes.”
    You cannot phone in crisis management be it economics, national security, or some other emergency legislation. And like Hillary said- at 3am, who do you trust to answer the call?

    ============

    I always figured Obama would answer and waffle. This looks like he wouldn’t even take the call!

  256. Ok now she really has gone too far, Obama is in bed with total terror sympatisers.

    Obama Bundler and $40K Donor Jodie Evans: Ahmadinejad “Really About Peace and Human Rights”

    Jodie Evans, a bundler and personal donor of over forty thousand dollars to the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois told Fox News today that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is “really about peace and human rights and respecting justice.”

    Evans met with the leader of the terrorist nation last night in New York City at a meeting of Marxist anti-American groups who have been campaigning to stop Western interference in Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons development program.

    Ahmadinejad has spoken repeatedly of wiping Israel off the map and his government has trained and funded terrorist who wage war in Iraq on Americans and free Iraqis.

    In the interview with Fox, Evans downplayed her role in the Obama campaign as stemming from her husband, Beverly Hills billionaire Max Palevsky, who she says knows Obama from Chicago.

    Evans is listed on the official Obama website as a bundler of between $50,000 and $100,000. She has been listed there since Obama published his list of bundlers.

    FEC records and other public sources show that Evans has contributed $40,550 to Obama for America and the Obama Victory Fund. $38,250 of that amount has been given by Evans within the past three months. $4600 of the $40k was given to the primary and general election funds of Obama for America, with the balance given to the joint Obama-DNC fund, the Obama Victory Fund.

    Evans has been a key part of Obama’s campaign from its beginning, having co-hosted Obama’s breakout Hollywood fundraiser in February 2007.

    Obama has ignored calls by military families and troop support organizations to disavow Evans over her pro-terrorist politics which include her giving aid and comfort to the terrorists in Iraq and working with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine the United States in the war on terror.

    Evans told Fox that she knows Obama and speaks with him at ‘public events’ which are actually exclusive high dollar fundraisers:

    “Every time I see Obama I give him a hard time on his stance on the war,” she said. “There’s no such thing as a good war. I wouldn’t say I’m a supporter. I’m definitely a thorn in his side keeping him on the right path about war.”

    Evans has publicly endorsed Obama on her MyBarackObama webpage and in a letter signed by leftist New York feminists in February 2008 and in a letter published by The Nation magazine in July 2008.

  257. from the LA Times :

    McCain kept his promise to address the annual meeting in the Big Apple of the Clinton Global Initiative, founded to fight malaria, global warming, poverty and other ills that know no borders. McCain’s wife, Cindy, and his running mate, Sarah Palin, came along to lend support.

    The Times’ Bob Drogin also was there, and he reports, that Clinton was effusive in his introduction, saying he was “personally profoundly honored” and “profoundly grateful” that McCain showed up.

    Obama, he noted less warmly, would speak to the group later by satellite feed from Florida, where he’s been encamped for prep sessions for the Friday debate that may or may not take place.

  258. Brit Hume on Fox just let the Fraud smera JM and try to take credit for pulling the coalition together to address the crisis. Oncw again Fox news is in the tank for the Fraud

    LAMusing // September 25, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Portia Elizabeth // September 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    I know – I was speechless. His Smirkiness’s story was that he was busy running things but if McC had anything useful to offer (his tone implying it was unlikely), well, sure we’ll give him a listen . His whole attitude was we adults are dealing with the problem, but if little boy McCain wants to get in the way, we’ll allow it… to a point.

  259. Fox News: JIM JOHNSON STILL WORKS FOR OBAMA

    Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson STILL advising Obama, Further this was reported by e-mail from Tom Daschle to Democrat insiders to see updates daily on political progress from the campaign, by Tom Daschel and Jim Johnson. Gibson also reported today that Franklin Raines was still advising Obama on housing! As you all well know that Jim Johnson was in charge of Fannie Mae with Franklin Raines. They also were paid very well with Johnson getting in excess of 20 million dollars and Franklin Raines getting 90 million dollars in executive pay.

  260. Fox Brit Hume let the Fraud get away with trying to claim HE was behind the coalition to get the crsis dealt with, Fox is in the bed with the Fraud, I believe that with all my heart. They have left Hannity and a few others alone, but you can see, and hear the ‘change’. 1984 is a coming.

    LAMusing // September 25, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Portia Elizabeth // September 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    I know – I was speechless. His Smirkiness’s story was that he was busy running things but if McC had anything useful to offer (his tone implying it was unlikely), well, sure we’ll give him a listen . His whole attitude was we adults are dealing with the problem, but if little boy McCain wants to get in the way, we’ll allow it… to a point.

  261. my post are not posting foe some reason. Anyway, Brit Hume just let the Fraud take credit for the work being done on the crisis. Fox is in the tank…1984

  262. Thiis 100K garden in Obama’s earmarks is hilarious, 65K for ground prep, they are barking.

    The money quote :

    The garden was never built. And now state records obtained by the Sun-Times show $65,000 of the grant money went to the wife of Kenny B. Smith, the Obama 2000 congressional campaign volunteer who heads the Chicago Better Housing Association, which was in charge of the project for the blighted South Side neighborhood.

    Right………………………..

  263. Charlie Gibson interviewed McCain tonight.

    GIBSON: Do we have a debate tomorrow night?

    MCCAIN: Well I’m hopeful, very hopeful that we can. I believe that it’s very possible that we can get an agreement so that — in time for me to fly to Mississippi. I understand that there is a lot of attention on this but I also wish Senator Obama had agreed to ten or more town hall meetings that I had asked him to attend with me. Wouldn’t be quite that much urgency if he agreed to do that, instead he refused to do it.

    Nice, nice shot, Senator McCain

    GIBSON: Senator, do we have an agreement on legislation to address this problem?

    MCCAIN: We do not, but I am very hopeful that we are making progress and I know we are making progress. I have talked to many of my colleagues today and had conversations with them, talked about this issue and have no doubt about the crisis we are facing. We’re talking about jobs all over America, we’re talking about loans, we’re talking about ability of small businesses to stay in operation. And my colleagues are aware of that, and I’m confident that we’re going to move forward and get this issue in a bipartisan agreement which is what the American people want.

  264. Sen Dodd is gasoline on the fire, just look at his campaign contributions tells you who he really works for.

    http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2008/09/25/opinion/368111.txt

    As a member and later chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, Sen. Christopher J. Dodd shoulders a good deal of the blame for the collapse of the national housing market, the subprime-mortgage-market meltdown and the latest convulsions on Wall Street.

    Reams of legislation he has written or advocated affecting the housing, lending, insurance and securities industries have drained hundreds of billions out of the economy, ballooned the federal debt, cost tens of thousands of people their jobs and driven hundreds of thousands of homeowners into foreclosure, bankruptcy or both. For his efforts, Sen. Dodd has been rewarded in the 2008 election cycle with $7.65 million in campaign contributions — he took in $11.7 million in all — from the securities, insurance, real-estate and commercial-banking industries, according to his latest Federal Election Commission filing posted at opensecrets.org.

    Sen. Dodd’s list of donors reads like a who’s who of who’s in the stew: Citigroup, $310,294; SAC Capital Partners, $282,000; United Technologies, $263,400; AIG, $224,678; Bear Stearns, $205,600; St. Paul Travelers, $205,400; Royal Bank of Scotland, $203,750; Goldman Sachs, $175,600; Morgan Stanley, $155,000; Credit Suisse, $154,550; Merrill Lynch, $134,950; JPMorgan Chase, $129,150; Lehman Brothers, $128,400; KPMG, $113,100; General Electric, $108,250; Deloitte Touche, $108,000; USB, $101,900; Hartford Finance Services, $101,500; The Hartford, $94,350; Bank of America, $91,300.

    With $165,400, Sen. Dodd also tops the list of members of Congress who took campaign cash from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since 1989. Sen. Barack Obama, the self-styled agent of change, is a distant second at $126,000 and Sen. John Kerry is third at $111,000. In the top 20 are Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Obviously, Sen. Dodd had plenty of buyers for the influence he was peddling. And without so much as a thought to the potential devastating economic consequences of his actions, he sold his soul, and sold out his constituents and country. In return, he saved $75,000 on two VIP mortgages from Countrywide Financial.

    Long after the horses had left the barn, Sen. Dodd now pledges to “continue to work on solutions to help Americans weather this storm, including strengthening the housing sector, developing a second stimulus package and restructuring the regulation of the financial sector.”

    To which we say: Haven’t you done enough damage?

  265. How is it that the house republicans want more protection for tax payers and blocking Paulson and the Dems are dancing around saying they have a deal?

    Princess O is going around saying McCain is injecting presidential politics into delicate negotiations and his minions are lapping it up. He is the miracle worker; why can’t he reign everybody in and put forward ideas acceptable to everybody? If he can’t do this with this crowd how is he going to work with people like Ahmedinajad?

  266. I think this really needs Pres politics, one of them will inherit this, so yes, Obama get your ass involved, it could be your mess to sort out, you arrogant douchebag.

  267. Okay, this is the lunatic fringe who are backing Obama. No way in hell am I putting my country in their hands:

    Obama Bundler and $40K Donor Jodie Evans: Ahmadinejad “Really About Peace and Human Rights”

    Jodie Evans, a bundler and personal donor of over forty thousand dollars to the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois told Fox News today that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is “really about peace and human rights and respecting justice.”

    Okaaaaay. These people are fucking insane.

  268. Sen. Dudd:

    And now he says he has been workingn for the last 7 days and he is TIRED!!!!

    Eff you Dudd!!!

    THE BIGGEST DEM CULPRIT is DODD!!!!

    remember what he said in the debates…

  269. I know H4T its total insanity, he’s up to his neck in weirdo’s and looneys and no bastard is batting an eyelid like its normal.

  270. moononpluto Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    No Brit hume is in the tank, has been a long time.

    **************************************

    Murdoch must be behind all of this…I heard some of his kids support Obama and that he liked him

  271. S Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    moononpluto Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
    No Brit hume is in the tank, has been a long time.

    **************************************

    Murdoch must be behind all of this…I heard some of his kids support Obama and that he liked him
    ******************************************

    Of course he is, it’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  272. moon, I’d like to see Jody fucking Evans sent to live in Iran. Let her get arrested for showing an ankle, let her get beaten and jailed for “disrespecting” a man. Let her go live in that country that is “all about human rights”, and see how long her fat pink ass would last.

  273. ABC News: Deal May Be Dead: Democrats Blaming McCain

    The Dems are blowing it up in their faces, the American public are not happy about this bill and the Dem party is whining that McCain is not going to let them have their way, Big ole nasty McCain. Well when i bet you read through the bill its full of so much heavy pork it would sink Manhattan island.

    After days of intense bipartisan negotiations and meetings today at the White House, the deal to bail out staggered investment banks may be dying amid partisan finger-pointing.

    Republicans blame Democrats. Democrats blame Republicans, and a key Democrat even pointed a finger at Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain.

    House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., told Democratic colleagues that McCain’s sudden heightened involvement in the negotiations has destroyed chance of an agreement, sources told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.

    Frank compared McCain’s involvement to “Richard Nixon blowing up the Vietnam peace talks in 1968.”

    ————————————————–

    I wouldnt go down this line Barney, most Americans do not want this bill at all, so you need to temper yourself.

  274. Murdoch actually said Obama and his 60s solutions were bad for economy on Cavuto may be three or four days ago. He is not in the tank for O.

  275. The worlds gone insane.

    It is bizarre when the Dems are agreeing w/ Pres. Bush on this and the Republicans are fighting it. LOL, I have never seen anything like it.

    And to top it all of B Clinton is sticking up for McCain.

    You can’t make this stuff up. Although the Dems are being suckered and dont even know it.

    So they slam McCain as Bush’s 3rd term and the Dems just destroyed their own argument when they side with Bush and McCain opposes his bailout, unreal, punked and don’t even know it.

  276. Brit Hume craves his colleagues’ at other networks approbation and therefore, goes overboard to be objective.

    Have McCain and his surrogates talking about what is wrong with the current Paulson’s plan? What is unacceptable to them? I don’t think they should let O and his minions characterize their fight for the tax payers as deal breakers if that is what their objections are about.

  277. moononpluto Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    It is bizarre when the Dems are agreeing w/ Pres. Bush on this and the Republicans are fighting it. LOL, I have never seen anything like it.
    ————————

    Yep, why are they siding with Bush? and giving him a blank check?

  278. Moon, the only thing McCain “blew up” was the chances of Frank and Dodd to shove their own malfeasance under the rug so fast that the public wouldn’t know the details. So yeah, Frank is pissed, and Pelosi needs the smelling salts, because they wanted to roll over for Bush and get the attention off Fannie and Freddie, and McCain is having none of it.

  279. The Dems have majority in both houses, if they wanted to, they could ram this bill through like they have done before, something tells me, theres loads od dems saying No and they are scrambling for a way out.

  280. gonzotx Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Fox Brit Hume let the Fraud get away with trying to claim HE was behind the coalition to get the crsis dealt with, Fox is in the bed with the Fraud, I believe that with all my heart. They have left Hannity and a few others alone, but you can see, and hear the ‘change’. 1984 is a coming.
    ————————

    But then how can he criticize McCain of injecting presidential politics into this..

  281. Bush is now saying that all he want is a deal and is willing to take a look at any and all plans.

    I just think Barney Frank and Chris Dodd where talking to Paulson and convince him to agree with this socialist plan and thought he was going to get the deal…then the Dems blowing up smoke and going against the people of this country without talking about plan b, c or d. It was all or nothing.

    What type of leadership is that and then I find out it’s all bad credit not just housing, but student loans and boat, cars…whatever throw in a pony why don’t you…this is CORPORATE WELFARE tied to our economy.

    The way the Democrats Leadership was framing this..as socialist taking over the banks….I didn’t want to believe it but I’m just getting bad vibes and too much protesting from the other “partner in crimes”–Democrats.

  282. Group boosts voter registration in Hidalgo County
    Falls short of original goal
    September 25, 2008 – 6:22PM
    Jackie Leatherman

    A national Latino voter registration group hasn’t even met one-quarter of its original goal to sign up 25,000 Rio Grande Valley residents for voting by the Nov. 4 election.

    The Southwest Voter Registration Education Project has registered 5,181 voters as of Monday, according to a news release from the group. The effort is part of the group’s “My Valley, My Vote” initiative that encourages election involvement. The last day to register to vote in Hidalgo County is Oct. 6.

    Alan Fiszman, the project’s spokesman, said lack of funding caused the group to scale back its goal to 7,500.

    Valley construction magnate Alonzo Cantu donated money to help the group reach the new goal, Fiszman said, adding that if additional donations had been secured, the group could have increased the number of registered voters.

    The project enlisted the help of local banks, hospitals, paid coordinators and volunteers to offer registration cards to customers and to attend high schools and community events to solicit new voters.

    The group deputized up to 40 volunteers to register voters.

    The Hidalgo County Elections Department has deputized 539 residents this year, far more than years past, said Belinda Sagredo, a voter registration assistant with the county.

    Sagredo said the group’s efforts have helped push the county’s total voters to nearly 300,000.

    In March, there were 290,454 registered voters.

    Presidential nominees have consistently singled out the Latino community by trying to garner votes with Spanish advertisements throughout the past year.

    Hispanics are the fastest-growing population in the United States, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan political research organization.

    Hispanic registered voters favored Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama over his Republican counterpart, John McCain, by 66 percent, according to a July report from Pew.

    In the Valley, former Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., beat Obama by a landslide in the primary.

    http://www.themonitor.com/articles/group_17826___article.html/voters_county.html

  283. Sarah Palin raises profile of ‘Palin Syrah’
    By MICHELLE LOCKE, Associated Press Writer
    Thursday, September 25, 2008
    (09-25) 16:17 PDT Berkeley, Calif. (AP) —

    You’ve heard plenty of political whining about the presidential campaign. But are you ready for a Chilean red wine called Palin Syrah?

    The wine, pronounced “pay-LEEN sih-rah,” comes from a small winery in the Limari Valley in northern Chile and has nothing whatsoever to do with moose-hunting Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    But interest in the wine has risen since Republican presidential hopeful John McCain picked Palin as his running mate.

    “I’ve seen an uptick in interest and an uptick in sales,” said David Hinkle of North Berkeley Imports, the West Coast importer for the Palin syrah — certified organic and priced at around $13 a bottle — as well as two other Palin wines.

    Some liberal San Franciscans apparently find Palin wine hard to swallow. Chris Cavelli, co-owner of the Yield Wine Bar, which sells Palin Syrah by the glass, says the wine was selling well before Palin was nominated, but dropped sharply afterward.

    “They would just basically say, Oh, I don’t want to drink that. That’s too close. It reminds them too much of Sarah Palin,” he said. “It’s created lots of conversation at the wine bar.”

    He plans to keep the wine on the list. “I think it’s pretty funny,” he said.

    Elsewhere, some are clearly more than happy to bring Palin to a grand old party.

    Cepage Noir Wine Co. in Houston has sold out of its stock of Palin Syrah, said store clerk Rose Arii, with one case going to a woman who said she was throwing a politically themed bash.

    Hinkle is a little taken aback by the mixing of politics and palates.

    “The wines are outstanding. Very rich, full-bodied,” he said. “There’s nothing political about the wine in any way.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/25/financial/f161723D56.DTL

  284. Off course Frank and Dodd want a big bailout, they stand to rake loads of money in from it, thats why.

    Who does this bailout benefit, congress’s personal campaign purses, thats who.

    This punk has been elaborate and the Dems did not even see it coming.

    Bush presents a plan, Dems love it, repubs hate it, McCain opposes it, McCain is now not tied to backing Bush, McCain seen as taking control, deal gets killed, Repubs put new deal forward, Bush says he’s willing to look now at all plans, Dems get furious at McCain, McCain can say he’s the real maverick bucking his own party President, Repubs anounce their plans, new deal gets found, clock gets run down, Dems panic and agree, Repubs and McCain take the credit , you just know, the Dems seem have been suckered bigtime.

    I think this how it will play out. Its classic Rove.

  285. If the dims are loading pork, covering school, car, and other type of loans, maybe, this is what the Republicans are fighting against. It is criminal to load this bill, to bail out the corporate world. Disgusting. I thought, the dims were supposed to be for the people, but I guess, Roosevelt values are dead, within the “new” dimocratic party. What are they doing, to protect the citizens????

  286. I went over to DU and they hate the bailout idea, too. Being the person responsible for killing this plan is political gold. No one likes this plan, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, except for Wall Street fat cats.

    They are actually saying nice things about McCain, i near fell off the chair.

  287. When Sarah B met Sarah P: Mrs Brown has dinner with would-be vice president Mrs Palin

    By Benedict Brogan
    Last updated at 12:45 AM on 26th September 2008

    Sarah Brown and Sarah Palin compared notes on life in the political frontline when they met for a glittering charity gala in Manhattan.

    The Prime Minister’s wife came face to face with the woman who has electrified U.S. politics just 24 hours after she pulled off her own surprise by introducing her husband’s conference speech in Manchester.

    Alaska Governor Mrs Palin interrupted her campaign as Republican candidate for Vice-President to attend a reception hosted by Mrs Brown in aid of her work on preventing death in childbirth.

    It was a women-only event hosted by Mrs Brown with Queen Rania of Jordan and Wendy Murdoch, wife of the media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, at the upmarket restaurant Tao, which features a16ft Buddha, fountains and a pond of koi carp. The two women discussed their experience of being thrust into the limelight after Mrs Brown asked Mrs Palin about her sudden entry into the American political scene when she was picked as John McCain’s runnning mate this summer.

    A source said: ‘They agreed that one of the consequences of their respective roles has been a chance to meet a range of interesting and inspiring people.’

    As a plain-speaking ‘hockey mom’ from a small town in Alaska, Mrs Palin has energised the presidential campaign.

    Her conservative views on social issues combined with her populist touch has both delighted and divided Americans.

    Her presence at the event was a coup for the organisers led by Mrs Brown, who asked her to attend after learning that she would be in New York that evening.

    The dinner was organised on behalf of the White Ribbon Alliance, a charity which campaigns to prevent death in childbirth, the fifth Millennium Development Goal.

    But not all of those attending the reception and dinner at the fashionable Tao restaurant were pleased, with some guests representing charities expressing doubts about Mrs Palin’s commitment to the cause of maternal health.

    However, she said she wanted to ‘hear more about it’, as celebrities including Australian supermodel Elle Mcpherson and Sarah, Duchess of York, helped raise pledges worth ‘hundreds of millions of pounds’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1061503/When-Sarah-B-met-Sarah-P-Mrs-Brown-dinner-vice-president-Mrs-Palin.html
    ******************************************************
    It appears the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY plan to dismiss and demean Gov. Sarah Palin is not working like they thought. The Dems threw WOMEN under the bus and now they have other options to those who really want their votes, compare to those who took their votes for granted.

  288. I didn’t see anything over there but the worst kind of viciousness.

    And may I just say, Barney Frank is fucking obnoxious.

  289. on Fox Business news, republicans are saying that Wall Street has enough money to bail themselves out and any plan should be that Wall Street and not main street should pay for this mess.

    I agree…government should be in the business of protecting citizens not taking their money to pay for corporations mismanagement

    NO BAILOUT with taxpayer money

  290. Obama on fox

    I’m glad I’m not the only one, Obama has no idea what he’s on about, its like listening to an foreign audio dictionary that no one understands.

    Thats one of his big problems, the man cannot talk to the average joe.

    My friends phoned me and said, did you get any of that, what did he say?

  291. I’m seeing rumors that Pelosi has enough Dem votes to pass this thing, but is furious because she wants enough Repubs on board to give her “cover”, and the Repubs are balking.

    Nancy wants to cave to Bush, but does not want to take the blame for doing so.

  292. As I thought, there has be some reason why Pelosi is not ramming this bill through.

    The Republicans are saying No Way.

    If the republicans wont join in, it means the Dems forced it thorugh all by themselves with Bush and it totally contradicts everything they are saying in the Pres campaign. Republicans know this and the Dems would be stuck with a huge unpopular bailout bill they rammed through.

  293. newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/25/schieffer-paulson-warned-bailout-would-fail-unless-mccain-got-invo
    Schieffer: Paulson Pleaded for McCain to Save Bailout

  294. Washington mutual has been on the brink for a bit, to be honest, if these banks are going down, its because their business model is shit. If your debt to savings ratio is to high, then you have no backup and are a bad bank, let it go under.

    I have no sympathy for banks like this, its the people’s saving’s i feel sorry for.

  295. thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/liberal-pacs-ready-attack-ad-on-mccains-health/
    Liberal PACs Ready Attack Ad on McCain’s Health

  296. McCain cannot go against the whole republican party voters, no one wants this bailout. There are better ways of doing this.

    Demand no pork at all in there, make oversight the prime agenda and all lenders receiving money has to have a full audit for stability. Banks should be also made to have a limit on debt to savings ratio to make sure they must keep sufficient funds available at all times, like a proper reserve.

  297. Moon, the only thing McCain “blew up” was the chances of Frank and Dodd to shove their own malfeasance under the rug so fast that the public wouldn’t know the details. So yeah, Frank is pissed, and Pelosi needs the smelling salts, because they wanted to roll over for Bush and get the attention off Fannie and Freddie.
    ———————————————-
    Sounds like John prevented bush and the dem leadership from slipping a poison pill to the American Public to save their own hides.

    Hillary’s proposal to preserve the status quo, prevent foreclosures and assure credit markets for 3-6 months is the sensible alternative. The media is clueless and is misreporting the facts.

    This is a serious time and we cannot let markets decide our fate.

  298. # moononpluto Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    The worlds gone insane.

    It is bizarre when the Dems are agreeing w/ Pres. Bush on this and the Republicans are fighting it. LOL, I have never seen anything like it.

    And to top it all of B Clinton is sticking up for McCain.

    You can’t make this stuff up. Although the Dems are being suckered and dont even know it.

    So they slam McCain as Bush’s 3rd term and the Dems just destroyed their own argument when they side with Bush and McCain opposes his bailout, unreal, punked and don’t even know it.
    ******

    ever see that movie Freaky Friday (either early or late versions)?…it’s like the Republicans and Dems are switching bodies.

  299. Let me get this straight – Reid is going to NOT ALLOW debate and a vote on a HUGE FUCKING NATIONAL CRISIS so that his posterboy can get his TV facetime?

    Reid is scum.

    “WASHINGTON — It won’t be votes in the Senate that keep Republican presidential candidate John McCain away from Friday night’s debate.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today he would not be scheduling any votes to “make sure there’s no excuses to not go forward with the debate.”
    “If ever there was a time in the history of our country … American people need to hear this.”

    Republican National Committee spokesman Bill Riggs said: “It’s clear that Harry Reid and Barack Obama would rather score cheap political points with Washington parlor games than do the business of the American people and find bipartisan solutions.””

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/sep/25/reid-no-votes-friday-night-avoid-excuses/

  300. h4t,

    I’ve been distracted today withwork stuff and haven’t been glued to the news.

    could you explain your 8:56 comment? thanks.

  301. When the tide rolls out here we will see who is swimming without a bathing suit. Obama, Reid, Franke and Pelosi.

    The reason obama supported the bill was because it favors his contributors, covers up the trasgressions of his bot senators and congressmen, and the fact that it screws the American People is a matter of no consequence.

  302. Let me get this straight – Reid is going to NOT ALLOW debate and a vote on a HUGE FUCKING NATIONAL CRISIS so that his posterboy can get his TV facetime?

    ===================================================================

    Are you kidding me?

    I can’t believe this. If this happens everyone should boycott the debate

  303. basil, Red is senate majority leader. He is the one who has to schedule votes and debate on the floor. He said that he will REFUSE to schedule votes for tomorrow, so that the TV debate can go on – so that McCain won’t have an opportunity to get a bill passed on this crisis tomorrow, and will therefore be free to go debate.

    That is fucking low as low can be. Playing politics with our lives, our pocketbooks.

  304. Bill Clinton has been saying something nice about McCain almost daily and that really tickles me. That must really irritate the living daylights out of BO and MO, lol.

  305. what Hannity said was a slam on BHO about “just call me I’ll be there but I thought you guys would like the video anyway

  306. moononpluto Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    The Dems are screwing themselves with this.
    ——————————————————————————————————–

    In what way? I can think of a few. What did you have in mind?

  307. Can’t believe I’m saying this but Boehner and the house republicans deserve to be congratulated on this! Taxpayers should not have to fund any part of this mess. The democrats should be embarrassed that so many of them were willing to go along with that $700 billion travesty.

  308. moon: ROFL! That’s why, I said, I could think of a few. LO!

    Seriously, if the dims force this through, they are screwing the American people. The parties have switched places. We need oversight and if, Wall Stree has the money, why, is the government bailing them out????

  309. I think Obama will be smart to agree to postpone the debate. With all this distraction, lack of focus, and his and his minions multiple mistakes leading up to the debate tomorrow and losing all that prep time he was depending on, I don’t think he will do well in the debate (even with a pillow he doesn’t do well). Watch for it — he will be agreeable to moving it tomorrow afternoon — chalk it up to his lack of confidence.

  310. neetabug,

    Yes it should be boycotted…and McCain should lead the pack. This is ridiculous. The DNC is blackmailing him so they can get their .30 seconds of fame.

  311. I will bet if the debate goes forward, there is a lot of people out there don’t know the debate is on foreign policy.

    Some will wonder how come they are not discussing the economy

  312. Good. I don’t know why all the little sheeple want this friggen bail out. I am embarrassed to admit I thought it was necessary, but now I’m looking at it, reading Krugman and others, and thinking are we just being snookered? Why are the Dem’s knee-jerk happy to give Bush 700 billion dollars for Wall Street for christ sake?

  313. I had noticed how often the media kept bringing up McCain’s skin cancer and thought how low that was, but this video is the lowest.

    I’m so ashamed to be a member of the Democratic party. I really want nothing to do with these people.

  314. McCain has been cancer free for 8 years. Those doctors should be ashamed of themselves. I loathe the dimocratic for stooping so low. “New” politics, yeah right. The dims are more of the same.

  315. gallup poll has already changed, its dead even again. Obama lost his little lead. Full effect from this will be tomorrow. McCain is winning from this. I can’t believe Harry Reid is doing that. They really need to vote him out. I know it won’t happen, but they really need to. He is scum. From what I am reading this really isn’t a bailout, its a loan, and the government will get rich off of it once they sell back the mortages they bought for more than they bought them for once the market goes back up, you know all those programs Obama wants? This is how he is going to pay for it. Plus all the pork that is in there. I wish they would name names. I would like to know who is trying to get their pet projects funded.

  316. Wait a minute. I thought McCain did release his medical records, sometime at the begining of summer. I remember it in the news. Wasn’t it Obama who wouldn’t release his? Along with a whole lot of other records. He is hiding years of his life.

  317. thought you all might want to know:

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20080925/NEWS01/80925009/1002/NEWS

    Pollster says election could end in landslide

    The presidential election might be a tight race now, but one of the country’s top pollsters thinks the race will end in an electoral landslide.

    John Zogby, president of Zogby International, told a group of businesspeople today that it’s up to Democratic Sen. Barack Obama to convince voters to go with him. If he’s not successful, the country will likely vote for “a comfortable old shoe”, that being Republican Sen. John McCain.

    Despite the books Obama has written, Americans are still asking, “Who are you, where are you from?,” Zogby said.

    Zogby spoke at the College at Brockport’s Business Briefings breakfast series at the college’s MetroCenter campus on St. Paul Street. He was promoting his new book, The Way We’ll Be: The Zogby Report of the Transformation of the American Dream.

  318. Is anyone watching Greta? I saw this posted at RD, and am wondering if the fucking Dems tried to sneak an ACORN earmark into this bill!! If so, I am PISSED!!!

    fif, on September 25th, 2008 at 10:15 pm Said:
    Lindsay Graham was just on Greta saying that “2 days ago, Harry Reid said there would be no deal if McCain didn’t come back to DC. Now, they spent the entire day blaming him. Anyone who says that there was a deal–and they are all telling this story–that McCain ‘blew up’ when he came to DC, is LYING. You cannot have a deal with only 5 or 6 Senators on board, speaking for Congress. The truth is: it was a very bad deal for the American taxpayer.”
    THEN HE SAID THIS:

    “In this version of the deal, 20% of the money that is supposed to go to paying down the debt is going to ACORN, which has proven to a very bad housing program.”

    DID ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THAT?! How the hell did ACORN get into this deal?! Aren’t they under indictment for voter fraud?

  319. Can’t believe I’m saying this but Boehner and the house republicans deserve to be congratulated on this!
    —————————————-
    Good for John. He is quite a character. I have played a couple rounds of golf with him. Always breaks 80. Last time we had to stop on the 15th hole to keep that record intact. But in the right political situation he can get the job done for the American People. He is a superb debator. Was a college basketball referee in a prior life. Good guy. He is very close to his constituents. In some ways he is like a good centrist democrat.

  320. ACORN is a corrupt organization. Why would the U.S. Government give billions of dollars to a subversive organization? This is getting very, very creepy.

  321. someone eluded to this earlier…it is telling how un-trustworthy BHO is and just how good(bad)he is at keeping his promises…

    ***********
    Obama and Kenny Smith announced the “Englewood Botanic Garden Project” at a January 2000 news conference at Englewood High School. Obama was in the midst of a failed bid to oust South Side Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush for a seat in Congress. The garden — planned near and under L tracks between 59th Place and 62nd Place — fell outside of Obama’s Illinois Senate district but within the congressional district’s borders.

    Obama vowed to “work tirelessly” to raise $1.1 million to help Smith’s organization turn the City of Chicago-owned lot into an oasis of trees and paths. But Obama lost the congressional race, no more money was raised, and today the garden site is a mess of weeds, chunks of concrete and garbage. The only noticeable improvement is a gazebo.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article

  322. birdgal
    I apologize. I do not know enough about ACORN to give you the info you need. I do know they are a collective group of “community organizers” that have rec’d monies from the gov’t to register voters. How that money has been spent I speculate on increasing turnout for bambi. Please ask others as I lack the hard core data but I assume when Newt was going off about a group getting hundreds of millions of dollars that was who he was referring to.(bad grammer I apologize)

  323. I just posted at
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/sep/25/reid-no-votes-friday-night-avoid-excuses/

    Is this April 1? How could anyone say anything so idiotic as the Reid quote?

    If the University and the media must fill their debate slot, bring in some surrogates. If Obama wants to debate now (after refusing debates for months), let Palin or someone else meet him. Cynthia McKinney of the Green party has volunteered. 🙂

    If this crisis isn’t worth rescheduling a campaign debate — then it’s not worth spending taxpayer money on! Maybe the vote should be postponed, not for the silly debate schedule, but to give people time to think over this bailout. HIllary seems to have a good plan: “Let’s keep people in their homes”, see her op-ed in Wall Street Journal.

  324. “In this version of the deal, 20% of the money that is supposed to go to paying down the debt is going to ACORN, which has proven to a very bad housing program.”
    ——————————————-

    H. Soros Ground Game: . . . . . . .
    One key player in this effort is ACORN (the
    Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). Obama began his career working for them. This is an activist organization funded by George Soros and subsidized by taxpayers. One of its key roles is to promote get out to vote efforts and it has a long history of voter fraud. A new whistleblower report from the Consumer Rights League claims that Chicago-based ACORN has commingled public tax dollars with political projects.

  325. yeah you know that “community organizer” part of his career BO is so proud of? He worked for ACORN, that was the community organizing he did. There is more to it though than just registering voters, it also has to do with housing, and they essentially extort candidates, you will often see them donating money to them. I will try to find it, I don’t remember enough about it to explain it without looking it up.

  326. Me thinks the lady does not protest enough– as she has not been heard. I say pick the largest advertiser and then hit them hard even if fucc-o wins lett’em know one at a time.

  327. Lin67,

    If you find the info on Obama’s ‘community organizing’, pls let me know. I have a page up about that at clintondems.com and would like to add it.

    My page so far is about other aspects, Alinsky, mobs and bullying, etc.

    tdo@turndownobama.com

    O’Reilly has a transcript up with an interview today I think with an author of something on BO which all sounds complimentary about him getting money for his neighborhood.

  328. go easy on community organizers they do great work, many with religious, homeless, and human rights groups. I won’t honor BHO as one of them

    the ACORN described as getting 20% is this

    acornhousing.org/index.php

    looking at their board of directors..I’d be very scared!!!!!!

  329. that’s why I put it in quotes, I know they do, I’m not sure BO was really one of them. He worked for ACORN and called it community organizer. Not sure if he did anything else related to community organizer. Did not mean to offend.

  330. gingrich is smart but i hate the dude. he hates the bailout but had no trouble trying to kill pbs and make it coorporate. he tried to kill medicare. tried to remove bill from office. if gingrich opposes the bailout and bill clinton backs it i side with bill

  331. debbie
    I was home from college one year and responded to an ad for community organizers. It was the eighities and I was paid 5/hr to knock on doors and give a spiel about utility prices and ask for a donation. Most that gave were the elderly who thought they were actually fighting for something. The truth be told about 10cents of every 5 dollars actually went to lobbying the rest of the money paid the individuals who canvassed, rent etc

    I quit

  332. More on ACORN f rom my paper: Likewise the Association of Community Organizations for Community Reform Now (ACORN) which Soros funds entered into a settlement with the State of Washington over what Secretary of State Sam Reed called “the largest case of voter registration fraud in the state’s history’. ACORN employees were supposed to help eligible voters fill out their registration cards, but instead were submitting false names like that of former boxing champion Leon Spinks. (Washington DC Examiner Newspaper 9/7/07.)

  333. I don’t take offense, but I know first hand how hard they work. Henry, sorry about your experience. I’ve been around the scene long enough to know some are scams and others really do good.

    Like anything there are good and bad ones.

  334. turndown is this what you are looking for?

    “Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary.”

    THis is actually from this article, which talks about Obama funneling campaign money to ACORN (illegally)

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

    I just found this from Stanley Kurtz on National Review. Its right leaning, but this is a meat and potatoes article. It explains ACORN well, is long and really looks at BO’s role. Stanley Kurtz has been trying to investigate the Annenberg Challenge papers but he has been blocked at every turn. This might be a good read for you though.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=&w=MQ==

  335. debbie Says: go easy on community organizers they do great work, many with religious, homeless, and human rights groups. I won’t honor BHO as one of them.
    ==============

    That’s why I put quotes when I say Obama’s ‘community organizing.’ I don’t want to suggest that all such organizing is like his. Unfortunately he does use that word and everyone accepts it.

    I wish some of you nice community organizers would look at the material I have at
    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/
    and write up something debunking the Obama/Alinsky style which is described in an article
    h t t p : / / windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway#comment-1539
    Obama’s “community organizer” phase was about political power, not soup kitchens
    But there is nothing touchy or feely about community
    organizing. It has more in common with the brutal contact sport of Chicago politics than it does with any kind of charitable act, such as serving food to homeless people.

    and this one:

    In The New Republic:
    “The Agitator” about Obama’s ‘community organizer‘ days
    h t t p : / / http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=1

  336. This proposed grant of public monies to ACORN appears to be a naked attempt by Obama to have taxpayers subsidize directly or indirectly Obamas ground game organizing activities. No wonder they did not want mccain to come in. No wonder bambi wanted him to stay away and debate. Is there an innocent explanation for this?
    ———————————————-
    Don’t bother asking Barack Obama. He cut his ideological teeth working with ACORN as a “community organizer” and legal representative. Naturally, ACORN’s political action committee has warmly endorsed his presidential candidacy.

    ACORN head Maude Hurd gushes that Obama is the candidate who “best understands and can affect change on the issues ACORN cares about” — like ensuring their massive pipeline to your hard-earned money. Let’s take a closer look at the ACORN Obama knows.

    Last July, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State. Seven ACORN workers had submitted nearly 2,000 bogus voter registration forms. According to case records, they flipped through phone books for names to use on the forms, including “Leon Spinks,” “Frekkie Magoal” and “Fruto Boy Crispila.” Three ACORN election hoaxers pleaded guilty in October. A King County prosecutor called ACORN’s criminal sabotage “an act of vandalism upon the voter rolls.”

    The group’s vandalism on electoral integrity is systemic. ACORN has been implicated in similar voter fraud schemes in Missouri, Ohio and at least 12 other states. The Wall Street Journal noted: “In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained ACORN’s practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.”

    In March, Philadelphia elections officials accused the nonprofit advocacy group of filing fraudulent voter registrations in advance of the April 22nd Pennsylvania primary. The charges have been forwarded to the city district attorney’s office.

  337. And another thing that I think about “community organizers” — I lived in Washington Heights for 5 years and Monday thru Fri I never saw anyone protesting at the 168th stop. Every saturday and sunday I was inundated by young white college kids screaming about the cause de jour. Then absent during the work week.

  338. turndown is this what you are looking for?

    “Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary.”

    Its from this article http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html which is actually about him funneling campaign funds to ACORN and then trying to hide it.

  339. turndownobama

    I’ve looked at that…it has nothing to do with the many fine organizers I know…like I said there are good ones and bad ones

    it is easy for groups such as ACORN to take advantage of misguided, insecure youth to do their work, obviously it happened to BHO. not the best place to get a start in doing good works

  340. Debbie
    I actually hope i did not offend you. But let me tell you I have been more pissed off in front of bryant park by the neo-libs than I have been by the conservitives.

  341. if gingrich opposes the bailout and bill clinton backs it i side with bill

    ——-
    Does Bill Clinton support it? Has he even said?

  342. henry

    in organizing anything it’s about getting the best exposure. most people don’t work weekends and kids aren’t in school so the best times to reach people are weekends and evenings.

    I’ve given up many weekends and evenings to get work done..goes with the job.

  343. pm317 Says:

    September 25th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
    Murdoch actually said Obama and his 60s solutions were bad for economy on Cavuto may be three or four days ago. He is not in the tank for O.

    ************************************************
    Hi pm317…yes I saw Murdoch on that show say that…but i do remember in the primaries he backed obama against hillary and i think his son/daughter might even be working/supports obama…maybe that is part of murdoch’s strategy…say one thing…allow another on the air…a little slight of hand?

    I think Fox is sending mixed messages at times and maybe it is left over from people or murdoch not liking mccain…i do not know…but I agree with some of the comments…that fox has been surprisingly and overly fair to obama…

    unlike cnn or msnbc/nbc to mccain…or palin…who are ridiculous and brutal and all one sided…

    ***********************************************

    also regarding the comments being made about how the Obama democrats are acting… I agree…they look so angry, vengeful, immature and foolish…I, too, am embarrassed at how low the dems seem to have sunk…

    the news is showing citizens protesting on the streets all over the country against this plan and going too fast and all the dems are complaining that the deal was done until mccain showed up…how tone deaf are these people?

    why are the dems, rich bit– pelosi and dodd and frank, the two big benefactors of banking donations…why are they so quick to stick us, the taxpayers, with the bills?

    yesterday I heard McCain say that everything should be out in the open and put on the internet so that the people all know what is going on…he should keep repeating that…the people want ACCOUNTABILITY and one gets the feeling the dems are not being above board and are in cohoots with bush of all people…
    **************************************

    o’rielly is saying that cancer ad out on mccain is put out by howard dean’s brother and filmaker greenwald…

    the left has become as bad as the far right

  344. henry…libs are crazy thats why they like to have college kids do the work, lots of energy and they don’t give a damn who they offend.

    I think protests and certain actions are necessary for the public to notice wrongs and sometimes there is no other way than to actually disrupt peoples lives so they notice. It’s very effective and it forces corporations to cower to the public will.

    I’ve seen many companies come to a bargaining table because of it.

    One of the largest protests I’ve seen with my own eyes was against the Vietnam War…it made the news in a major way and the politicians had to listen.

  345. Not sure texan, but I do know the repubs want to suspend the capital gains tax to get money back into wallstreet instead of using tax payers money. It will stimulate the economy like crazy. That is what they have been all over tv arguing. So that might be John McCain’s compromise for them?

    Bill Kristol wrote this (he is very conservative but I thought it was still good). Its what he thinks McCain should do, and it includes listening to Hillary.

    What Is To Be Done
    Can McCain thread the needle?
    by William Kristol
    09/25/2008 11:35:00 AM

    HERE’S THE SITUATION we McCain-sympathizing/Paulson-plan-skeptics/populist-inclined/but we’ve-got-to-be-responsible-in-a-crisis types face:

    1. Something probably needs to be passed soon.

    2. There are almost certainly superior alternatives to Paulson or even (especially?) to Paulson-as-modified.

    3. There’s not enough time to write a new plan, get a consensus behind it, etc.

    So: 4. We need to pass Paulson-as-modified ASAP.

    McCain will throw his weight behind it and help get it through. But he will also makes clear that, as president–while of course standing behind all obligations incurred and transactions committed to under the Paulson regime–he’s going to take a fresh look. He’s going to convene the best people, he’ll take a look at all the best ideas that have been put forward (ranging from Hillary Clinton’s to Newt Gingrich’s, from direct aid to housing to rights offerings by banks to changing accounting rules, etc.), and he will then plan on modifying/improving/adding to the Paulson plan going forward. This is delicate: McCain needs to reassure markets about the current commitments as well as promise further and better reforms. But this is the right position substantively and, I think, politically. It combines the best of McCain’s impulses, and the twin requirements of presidential leadership: taking responsibility for what has to be done now, and committing to energetic and bold reform in the near future.”

  346. debbie
    168th and broadway on the weekends is almost nothing but hispanic. So sending out a bunch of english speaking kids to a neighborhood that will just walk by me screams of fraud.

    but by the way Bill had his heart surgury there. I lived between 169 and 170th at the time on fort wash. talk about a nightmare getting in and out of my own building.

  347. Bush financial bailout plan needs more oversight: Bill Clinton Wed Sep 24, 11:36 PM ET

    The 700 billion dollar bailout of the US financial system proposed by government of President George W. Bush needs further details and safeguards, former president Bill Clinton said Wednesday.

    Clinton, interviewed on CNN, said that something has to be done to rescue the financial system, “and it’s not Wall Street versus Main Street right now. More than half the American people have a direct or indirect stake in the stock market.”

    However he said the measure presented to Congress by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernake lacks details.

    There should also be Congressional oversight over any bailout program “so we can keep asking questions,” Clinton said.

    “But in the end I would say it would be a good thing — I think there’s a fair chance if this is done right, the taxpayers will get all their money back.”

    Clinton also had positive comments on Paulson and Bernanke, who Tuesday and Wednesday faced grueling congressional grilling on their bailout plan.

    “In general, I would give good marks to secretary Paulson and chairman Bernanke for getting out here and facing the political heat” to present the plan, he said.

    Bush on Wednesday called unprecedented crisis talks Thursday with congressional leaders and White House rivals John McCain and Barack Obama.

    In a speech to the nation late Wednesday Bush said inaction could wipe out banks, threaten retirement nest eggs, send home values into freefall and foreclosures skyrocketing, and lose millions of jobs.

  348. They need to take a fresh look at this in the morning. ACORN is a bitter partisan and should not be part of the deal. That is toxic.

    There is a conflict of interest between political activities and housing. They must be done through separate entities with different names.

    That is fundamental given their track record of fraud and partisanship. A firewall is insufficient/

  349. haaretz
    bad news for obama
    Last update – 02:04 26/09/2008

    Survey: American Jews favor Obama over McCain

    By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz U.S. Correspondent

    Tags: Israel News, Jewish World

    An annual survey published by the American Jewish Committee on Thursday revealed that American Jewish voters favor Senator Barack Obama over Senator John McCain for U.S. president by a margin of 57-30 percent.

    The surprising figure to emerge from the survey was the unexpectedly large number of undecided voters, at 13 percent.
    Advertisement

    Though the percentage of Jews in the U.S. is merely 2 percent, 4 percent of the votes in the presidential elections are generally cast by American Jews. In certain states, such as Florida, the Jewish vote is considered crucial.

    In addition, more than 40 percent of American Jews contribute to presidential campaigns, comprising one fifth of all campaign contributions.

    Therefore, it came as no surprise that Obama appealed to the debate committee on Thursday, asking them to rebroadcast his upcoming debate against McCain, scheduled for Friday evening, at a time when observant Jews can watch without violating the laws of the Sabbath. Obama’s campaign has invested much time and energy courting the Jewish community, but despite their efforts, 13 percent of American Jewish voters are still undecided.

    According to the survey, 56 percent of American Jews define themselves as Democrats, 17 percent as Republicans and 25 percent as Independent.

    While Obama leads McCain by 27 percentage points in the survey, his numbers pale in comparison to those received by Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry. Some claim that rumors and e-mails suggesting Obama is Muslim have affected his standing. However, Republicans prefer the theory that since the September 11, 2001 attacks, American Jews have begun to rethink which policies are safer for them and for Israel.

    In the previous poll conducted in July among American Jewish voters, Obama garnered 62 percent versus McCain’s 32 percent. The current poll shows that both candidates have lost American Jewish support, but Obama lost slightly more.

    The survey’s respondents said the economy was the most important issue they would like to see the candidates address, with 54 percent saying that tops their list. Eleven percent said health care was most important, while 6 percent felt the war in Iraq, and 5 percent felt energy and terrorism were the key issues to be addressed. Three percent said Israel was their main priority.

  350. Flat tax!
    Flat tax!
    I ache for the arguemnts against it.
    Boom you make so much you pay so much.
    Invest in this country you pay the same thing on any revenues generated,
    boom we are not out of the woods but we can see the light.

  351. http://www.zogby.com/50state/

    Looks like McCain has moved ahead in many states: all from 9/25/08

    McCain leads in Pennsylvania…… 49.1% – 44.3%
    McCain leads in Florida……….. 52.1% – 41.8%
    McCain leads in Virginia………. 50.3% – 43.8%
    McCain leads in New Hampshire….. 49.1% – 42.8%
    McCain leads in Ohio………….. 49.8% – 43.9%
    McCain leads in Colorado………. 47.5% – 45.5%

  352. 168th and broadway=spanish harlem

    henry: did you ever get to Sylvia’s at 128th and Lennox. Great soul food and good people. Not too far from the Apollo Theater as I recall/

  353. wbboei
    once I think
    if it’s the soul food restaurant with a handful of tables– impossible to get in to. Cannot get a reservation. Once I think by mistake. If it was actually Sylvias I was with two cops?

  354. Henry, I am a proponent of flat tax, too. 10% – 12% – 15% – whatever. For everyone. NO deductions.

  355. Flat tax??? My God, are you people Democrats? Progressive taxation is not only instrumental to a functioning democracy, it’s ESSENTIAL to capitalism (see adam smith).

  356. henry: yes I have at least 3x and probably more. Each time it was very enjoyable. I recommend the place to people who go to New York City. The other place I used to go to fairly often is Peter Lugars which native New Yorkers will tell you is the best because it is one of the oldest steakhouses–its in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn just across the Williamsberg bridge. But it is cash only.

  357. flat tax? hell no. that is very regressive and hurts the poor the most. progressives fought in the early 20th to get a progressive income tax. a sales tax is regressive and veyr harmful. a 20pt sales tax on everythign would kill this country. i make very little and would literally not even to be able to buy food. flat tax no way. hillary would restore the income tax the way bill had it.

  358. Well, some sales tax is necessary. NH has no income tax, no sales tax and it’s a disaster. Everything rests on property tax. Their schools are seriously underfunded as are there basic services.

  359. Texan, a sales tax only is TERRIBLE. Lot’s of rich people in Chile want that. Of course they would. When you are rich, you have far more expendable income than the average joe. But a flat tax is an income tax that doesn’t grow progressively higher for higher income individuals. it’s horrible for it’s own reasons. But a flat tax is not the same as sales tax only. Both are terrible for different reasons.

  360. I have a serious question: Has every commentator and politician (excluding Hill and Bill and this blog) checked their brains at the door? I heard quite a few when asked what should happen if the deal isn’t done by tomorrow night, say “Well, it’s only 90 minutes, they could fly there and then back”.

    1. They are trying to cobble together a BIPARTISAN agreement as fast as possible.

    2. A debate is as partisan an endeavour as we have. It might take weeks to get over some charge made in just one answer.

    3have to give their takes. That will harden positions and make it hard to agree.

    Therefore, it isn’t the time involved — it’s the damage that can be done by a totally adversarial affair that could have one side (guess which)claiming, “It’s all your fault” and the other having to defend that. How is that helpful right now?

  361. Haley Barbour is the gov of Miss so he just wants the debate to go forward because his constituents badly want it. It’s more financial than political.

  362. There should also be Congressional oversight over any bailout program “so we can keep asking questions,” Clinton said.

    “But in the end I would say it would be a good thing — I think there’s a fair chance if this is done right, the taxpayers will get all their money back.”

    Clinton also had positive comments on Paulson and Bernanke, who Tuesday and Wednesday faced grueling congressional grilling on their bailout plan.

    “In general, I would give good marks to secretary Paulson and chairman Bernanke for getting out here and facing the political heat” to present the plan, he said.
    ——————————————–
    President Clinton is an artful mediator. He is trying to get then to tone down the partisanship and work something out. Notice how he encourages the P & B but then tacitly repudiates the part of their proposal which calls for no oversight and does not express too much confidence that a deal could be done. The difference between the Hillary and Bills skill set and those of the dem leadership and the administation is like night and day.

  363. # mj Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Who does Zogby say it could be a landslide for?
    *****

    even in the BO tank Zogby is saying it could be a landslide win for McCain. Let’s hope so.

  364. The Republicans got very lucky in another way too.

    Barney Frank is a very bright and very witty man. About a year ago, I asked political people I knew what the problem was with Barney because he just seemed very angry and lost his sense of humor.

    My guess is that he hasn’t been feeling well at all.
    Nobody would confirm this, not Ann Lewis, his sister whom I asked. But I’m glad that now he has the microphone, he isn’t up to the skewering little jabs that are funny and withering.

    Ann Lewis, BTW, is a terrific loyal Hill senior campaign official. Haven’t heard much from her since Hill’s suspension.

  365. I have a serious question: Has every commentator and politician (excluding Hill and Bill and this blog) checked their brains at the door? I heard quite a few when asked what should happen if the deal isn’t done by tomorrow night, say “Well, it’s only 90 minutes, they could fly there and then back”.
    ——————————————–
    We need to work out an equitable sharing of the risks here. The country is worried about this financial crisis and has this quaint idea that their elected officials should stay focused on that issue until it is worked out. The media feels that should the interests of the country should be subordinated to their agenda which is to coronate Bambi and destroy McCain/Palen as they tried to do the Hillary and Bill. The country doesnt give a damned about a debate on foreign policy while this crisis is looming. The media doesnt give a damned about the country.

    So here is the deal. Lets have an indemnification agreement binding on big media as a business and personally binding on its principals and the pundits who say the show must go on even though Rome is burning.

    How would it work? Simple:

    If there is no deal and the economy crashes then big media, its officers agents and employees shall be personally liable and shall indemnify the people of the United States for all losses proximately caused by the collapse of the financial liablitiy and this obligation shall be binding on the parties their heirs successors and assigns. Since big media is not concerned with this risk it they should be willing to assume it.

    Okay big media pundits: who wants to be John Hancock and sign first.

  366. Ann Lewis, BTW, is a terrific loyal Hill senior campaign official. Haven’t heard much from her since Hill’s suspension.
    ——————————————-
    Ann is terrific.

  367. every time bambi gives a speech it generates enough hot air to melt another ice cap and the oceans rise by another inch.

  368. We are all worse for not having Rep. Tom Lantos at this moment. He died recently. He was a very bright Democrat who had been an economics prof.

    I wish I could have seen the hearing he would have chaired or participated in as he scrutinized the three pages of the plan and asked the relevant questions.
    He didn’t allow for general or vague answers.

    What a loss!

  369. HERE’S THE SITUATION we McCain-sympathizing/Paulson-plan-skeptics/populist-inclined/but we’ve-got-to-be-responsible-in-a-crisis types face:
    —————————————–
    Lin: were you surprised to see Kristol trying to pass himself off here as a populist? I was. He is the quintessential neocon–as in Project for A New American Century. I did enjoy the article however. Thanks for posting.

  370. We are all worse for not having Rep. Tom Lantos at this moment. He died recently. He was a very bright Democrat who had been an economics prof.
    ——————————————–
    I am so sorry to hear that. He could bring insights to discussions that no one else could. We need more bright minds like him. He was a concentration camp survivor as I recall.

  371. debbie and other real community organizers,

    Maybe y’all should start a website “Community Organizers Against Obama” or something like that and say he’s giving your activitles a bad name.

    It looks like Obama and Alinsky etc should be called “Community Agitators” or “Comminity Dividers” or something. Rabble-rousing bullies they seem like (tho that’s insulting to rabbles).

    Obama said long ago that he wanted to use his campaign as a sort of nationwide ‘community organizing’, and he’s sure used the Alinsky method in it. Even Alinksy’s son wrote a little piece saying the Dem convention was an example of Alinksy’s methods: tightly controlled, no dissenting voices allowed….

    I don’t like Obama using a name, ‘communit organizer’, that’s used by good people doing good things….

  372. If Big Media is so worried about their debate, and Obama is willng to show up alone and if Sarah doesn’t want to fill in for McCain … let Tina Fey fill in for Sarah.

    g,d,r

  373. [Editor’s Note: Read “Sarah Palin Mythology Debunked” — Go Here Now].

    This is what a senior mccain operative is telling big media luminaries when they repeat bullshit stories about Palin . . . .

    “I’m thinking, ‘Are you actually believing what you’re reading here, with not a shred of factual evidence behind it?’ ” she says. “It’s the virulence and the lack of evidentiary basis for what is going on that is astounding, and the wholehearted acceptance of these horrible things as true. They want to believe these things, regardless of the fact that there is no evidence to support them.”

  374. heard that Obama now admitting dual citizenship – notice the timing of when this info is released – when no one’s paying attention of course!

    texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

  375. CaffineQueen’s Blog

    View of the world and those in it, the workings of such and all that jazz as seen by yours truly.Feed on Posts Comments The Diffence Between Knowing Your Stuff VS. Acting Like You Do
    September 25, 2008 by caffinequeen

    Today in the Wall Street Journal there is an Op-Ed piece from Hillary Clinton that shows us how if we had listened to her this situation might not be so bad right now for the markets or for the homeowners involved.

    Unlike Obama or McCain she had a concrete plan that would have stabilized the mortgage market by a measurable degree. Set up a Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help home owners refinance their homes at a fixed rate they can afford allowing millions more to stay in their homes and keeping foreclosure rates lower and allowing the markets time to adjust and correct. Sounded like a good plan to me when she first proposed it almost two years ago and it still sounds like a good plan to me now.

    Hillary Clinton: Let’s Keep People in Their Homes

    By Hillary Rodham Clinton

    There is a broad consensus that Congress must act to stave off deeper turmoil on Wall Street. Irrespective of the final agreement yet to be reached, there are several principles that must be part of a broader reform effort that begins this week and continues in the coming months.

    This is not just a financial crisis; it’s an economic crisis. Therefore, the solutions we pursue cannot simply stabilize the markets. We must also deal with the interconnected economic challenges that set the stage for this crisis — and reverse the failed policies that allowed a potential crisis to become a real one.

    First, we must address the skyrocketing rates of mortgage defaults and foreclosures that have buffeted the economy and ignited the credit crisis. Two million homeowners carry mortgages worth more than their homes. They hold $3 trillion in mortgage debt. Nearly three million adjustable-rate mortgages are scheduled for a rate increase in the next two years. Another wave of foreclosures looms.

    I’ve proposed a new Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC), to launch a national effort to help homeowners refinance their mortgages. The original HOLC, launched in 1933, bought mortgages from failed banks and modified the terms so families could make affordable payments while keeping their homes. The original HOLC returned a profit to the Treasury and saved one million homes. We can save roughly three times that many today. We should also put in place a temporary moratorium on foreclosures and freeze rate hikes in adjustable-rate mortgages. We’ve got to stem the tide of failing mortgages and give the markets time to recover.

    The time for ideological, partisan arguments against these actions is over. For years, the calls to provide borrowers an affordable opportunity to avoid foreclosure as a means of preventing wider turmoil were dismissed as government intrusion into the private marketplace. My proposals over the past two years were derided as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little, too late.

    As a result, the home-mortgage crisis slowly eroded the value of debt instruments upon which Wall Street firms were depending. That is how this house of borrowed cards began to fall. If we do not take action to address the crisis facing borrowers, we’ll never solve the crisis facing lenders. These problems go hand in hand. And if we are going to take on the mortgage debt of storied Wall Street giants, we ought to extend the same help to struggling, middle-class families.

    Second, American taxpayers should have a voice and a stake in the resolution of this market crisis. If the Treasury proposal is enacted in its current form, the American government would assume enough financial risk to become the majority shareholder in the companies rescued by taxpayer dollars.

    The American people are bearing the risk and therefore deserve to reap the rewards of a shared equity model. And mortgage securities bought by taxpayers must be valued accurately at prices disclosed in real time, with checks and reporting requirements to prevent abuse.

    Third, taxpayers are being asked to bear an unparalleled degree of financial risk. We cannot allow taxpayers to take on this burden so that Wall Street and the Bush administration can hit the “reset button.” This historic intervention demands a historic shift in priorities: an end to the broken culture on Wall Street, and the broken economic policies in Washington.

    Corporations that will benefit must be held accountable, not only to large shareholders but also to the American people, who are rightly tired of business as usual: short-term profit at the expense of long-term viability; lax oversight and regulation; obscene bonuses and golden parachutes regardless of performance; reckless risk-taking that has placed the markets in jeopardy; rewards for foreclosing on middle-class families and selling mortgages designed to fail; and outsourcing good jobs to serve short-term stock prices instead of America’s long-term economic health.

    This is a sink-or-swim moment for America. We cannot simply catch our breath. We’ve got to swim for the shores. We must address the conditions that set the stage for the turmoil unfolding on Wall Street, or we will find ourselves lurching from crisis to crisis. Just as Wall Street must once again look further than the quarterly report, our nation must as well.

    Mrs. Clinton, a Democrat, is a senator from New York.

    You know there is a lot of talk and anger (rightly so) about the bailing out of the big Wall Street Investors and the irresponsible people who took loans they could not afford. The fact is a lot of the blame here also lies with some lenders who out of greed made loans that they should have known were high risk at best.

    The fact remains though that not every family facing foreclosure is in this situation because they were irresponsible or because they fraudulently acquired credit they could not afford. Are there some who did that? Yes. Are all of them in this situation for those reasons? No.

    A lot of people went out to buy homes and they could afford a payment and the maintenance on said home. They work hard and pay their bills like most everybody but then the lenders said “With rates this low you can afford so much more and you can just re-finance before the rate goes up.” And then oil went to record breaking highs and the prices of gasoline and groceries and heating bills went higher and higher. People who could afford their payments suddenly found themselves in a crunch.

    Enter the lenders who expected to win either way and the rates go up, the payments go up and with the other expenses rising people began feeling more than a crunch. They were now caught in a vise. The lenders figured either way they would win because the families would either continue to pay with the higher interest rates or they would re-finance giving the lenders another chance to make a nice chunk of change for that.

    What they didn’t count on was all the other economic factors, the inflation, the Wall Street crowd suddenly waking up to the fact that some of the loans that were packaged and sold were not going to pan out and should never have been made in the first place. Then suddenly we have a tightening of credit standards (better late than never?) and the people who were told to refinance suddenly can’t qualify.

    The payments continue to go up, other expenses go up and the number of options available to them goes down. It seems to me that the average, working, responsible homeowner is now caught in a very bad situation not (at least not entirely) of their own making.

    Now enter the Congress and Bush who decide we need to stop the bleeding in the market but where is the help for the homeowner who wants to be responsible? They want to keep thier homes and pay for them.

    Look at it this way if we do not help those homeowners by giving them an option that allows them to stay in their homes we have more foreclosures and the very families that get ousted will now have to spend the money they would have paid on a mortgage on rent! They will not be better off in fact they will be far worse off and at the mercy of the rental market. At that point they no longer have any chance of hedging against inflation in their housing. They are at the completely and truly screwed. They will still be buying a house just for someone else.

    Maybe there are some who willingly entered into risky deals that should then pay the price for bad decision making but we cannot hold every borrower responsible for the rouges. It is in our best interest to allow as many people to stay in their homes as we can and have them paying those mortgages rather than turning homeowners into a money machine for the investor class and thereby increasing the size of the lower-middle and lower classes. Rather than lifting them up and promoting healthy economic growth it will simply place a lower ceiling on it. Rather than empower the average American it will empower the wealthy investors who need no help to grow.

    Hillary knows what we need to do to turn this crisis around and she knows how deep it runs for all those involved. She’s not just worried about Wall Street and the markets. She’s worried about the average Joe or Jane and she’s working to see that they don’t get forgotten.

    Obama has yet to come up with any plan economic or otherwise that he didn’t steal from someone wiser and more savy. It’s what he does. He plagerizes speeches and he takes others’ ideas, tweaks them just a bit and tries to grab the credit. This guy wouldn’t know a solution if it hit him in the ass!

    He’s not the President but he plays one and he just knows he could do it! “Come on! Howard, Donna and Nancy promised it was MY turn!”

    Can we please have Hillary back now?

    CQ

  376. Bailing Out The Bailout
    By Debra Saunders
    September 25, 2008

    Until Wednesday afternoon, when GOP presidential nominee John McCain announced that he was heading to Washington to work with congressional leaders and the Bush administration to craft a better bailout bill, both McCain and Democratic candidate Barack Obama clearly had believed that the last place they wanted to be seen was in Washington.

    More specifically, the last place McCain and Obama wanted to be seen was in the Senate, where they work. You see, the Senate, according to the latest CNN/Opinion Research poll, enjoys (if that’s the word) a 22 percent approval rating, 78 percent disapproval. (The numbers for President Bush, by contrast, are 31/68 approval/disapproval.)

    The Senate has done much to deserve its sorry reputation. Until McCain’s announcement, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid seemed inclined to support the $700 billion bailout bill — provided Democrats could lard it with their own goodies — but only if McCain (and other Republicans) would support the package and provide the Dems with political cover.

    “I got some good news in the last hour or so … it appears that Sen. McCain is going to come out for this,” Reid announced Tuesday evening.

    Then Wednesday, after it appeared doubtful President Bush would find the GOP support his plan needed, McCain announced he would come to Washington because, “I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.”

    Reid’s office promptly released a statement that said, “We need leadership; not a campaign photo-op.” So the bailout is worth spending $700 billion of other people’s money — but not worth McCain flying to Washington to broker a doable deal? Get the feeling Reid is completely out of touch?

    I am no fan of this bailout package. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson failed to inspire confidence when he opposed a limit to the pay and bonuses of the geniuses who drove their funds into the red. At $700 billion, the package is obscenely expensive. Worse, as the Washington Times reported, both the administration and Democrats had agreed to add consumer loans, possibly even credit-card debt, to the mix.

    No wonder polls show that voters are cool to the Bush bailout. If, however, McCain can broker a more fiscally responsible plan — read one with a price tag about half of the original’s size or less, and with a cap on executive pay — he just might be able to broker a deal that can pass muster.

    Washington solons seem convinced that a failure to act will result in the American marketplace seizing up. The Wall Street Journal editorial page — which has long railed at bad business practices at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — has supported the Bush plan on the grounds that an influx of capital, deftly managed, could keep a “global panic” from devolving into a full-fledged economic crash. The American people deserve to hear that “despite 13 months of credit turmoil,” the Journal editorialized, “our resilient economy is still standing; and that this $700 billion will be the best money Congress appropriates this year if it prevents a recession and crash.”

    Wednesday, McCain asked Obama to meet in Washington and agree to postpone Friday’s scheduled presidential debate. Once again, McCain put the job of good governance ahead of pursuing his presidential campaign. Only after Bush asked Obama to come to Washington did Obama relent.

    If a bailout package passes and the market rallies, McCain will be a hero. If there is no package and the market falters, Obama won’t look so hot. If there is no package and the market does not falter, Obama wins — as do American taxpayers. It is a breathtaking game of chicken — on which the U.S. economy may or may not ride. Be it noted that in the thick of battle, Obama’s idea of leadership was to refuse to postpone the scheduled Friday night debate. Until he could not say no, Obama’s idea of leadership was to stay out of Washington, instead issuing a “joint statement” with McCain on what they’d like see in the package other leaders negotiate.

    >> Continued — Page 1 2

  377. I think McCain had to do what he did – suspend and go to Washington and to also show that he is not McBush.

    With these financial institutions tumbling, WaMu failing under Bush’s watch, it was bound to drag McCain down too. I don’t think this was as much a “hail mary” toss from McCain as much as it’s a chance to give his campaign some oxygen…

  378. I may have missed it but did anyone post that McC is back ahead of O in the Zogby poll? Not much — O was ahead by about 3 and now McC is ahead by 2.
    46-44 or 47-45, I forget.

    Also seems to be better news in MI.

  379. Hannity & Combs had Newt on talking about some of the details and he said 20% was going to ACORN some of the pork Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and Frank added to the Bailout.

  380. carby, the Dems tried to load that bill up with crap in addition to ACORN. I read that Reid tried to put an offshore drilling ban in there, and something about oil shale.

    Are they INSANE?? There’s a crisis, and these clowns are trying to tack on sneaky partisan shit to slip under the radar. I am SO DISGUSTED with Democrats right now.

  381. I’m confused. If the bailout fails, and the market i ok, Obama gets the credit? Eh, I don’t think any of these people know what they are doing.

  382. mj, according to the press, if the sun comes up in the morning the magnificent Obama gets the credit for single-handedly coaxing it to rise.

  383. The Obamabots really are brownshirts. Now in Missouri, they have prosecutors threatening charges against anyone who “libels” Obama during the campaign.

    gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecuters-form.html

    They are worse than Bush. They want to quash ALL dissent.

  384. mj Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 8:04 am

    On the contrary. I am one of those economists who think or are certain that the whole thing will go from bad to worse in a very short time if the Bailour isn’t immediately excuted.

  385. The crisis is worsening and BO says that the best he can do to help the situation is to be on call (for what nobody knows) and to practice for 3 days and then throw charges at the Republicans and McC.

    And now Wolfson is saying that McC said nothing in the WH meeting, but he also said that McC called for the meeting! He thinks that McC wasn’t a leader because he didn’t talk. But when people are so angry and divided, you have to let them air it out and seem sympathetic before you can negotiate an agreement. And now McC will get credit if it works!

  386. Heard soundbites from both McCain and Obama last night.

    McCain, humble as always, admitted there was no concensus yet on the bailout bill but he was hopeful there would be one today, and he would let others decide what part he played in it’s success.

    Obama went negative and accused/fingerpointed that their was a lot of politicizing going on and there was no place for it.

  387. Another Hillary fundraiser on advisor/staffer endorses McCain on Fox news. Miguel Lausell says Obama too green to be president and does not do what he says he will.

  388. IMHO, which is rarely humble, I think it might be a good time to e-mail all the cable and network news shows and ASK if ACORN is in the Dem version of the bailout bill.

    Know-it-alls like to answer those questions. It would also be good to e-mail JOhn Fund and Pat Buchanan and even Chris Matthews if you can stand to. I’m not good at finding e-mail addresses so if anyone has some, please post them here.

  389. h4t,

    Thanks fro the explanation last night.
    BTW,
    You DO know how the pharoah was able to accomplish this, right?
    (hint: think Larry Sinclair) :mrgreen:
    “mj, according to the press, if the sun comes up in the morning the magnificent Obama gets the credit for single-handedly coaxing it to rise.”

  390. Some one..either REID, DODD or FRANKS said that McCain is not needed as he is not part of the committee (banking)..
    See, this is only to be decided by the banking cmtt not the 535 members of the congress or better still the COUNTRY…
    How dare they speak likethis!!

    Country first..McCain!!!

  391. Senor Lausell, a Hill supporter and fundraiser, was just on Fox explaining why he had decided to endorse McC.

    He said if you’re about to fly in bad weather and you have a choice of two pilots, one of whom has studied flying but hasn’t done it and the other one has flown 101 times, which one would you choose?

    He then said BO doesn’t do what he says. He complained that BO has never done anything for Hispanics and wants to raise taxes on small businesses which he said were the heart of their community — 2 million small businesses.

    He added that NO says he’s for women’s progress and yet he didn’t pick Hill, with her 18 mil votes, for VP.

    He was pithy but fabulous. He said O doesn’t have the experience and cannot be trusted. Ole!

  392. Another busy day, but I read the blog. The more risky this gets, the more inactive O is, the more I see Independents moving toward McCain.

    As we have said many times before, O can not close the deal with the American public. He can not reach out to people that disagree with him and convince them to change. His peers said this from the Senate. A Fatal Flaw.

  393. I am a little troubled about this new DEM request for protecting homeowners who cannot afford the homes which they bought when they could not…

    By bailing out fannie and freddie, they have given help to those homeowners to negotiate a lower fixed rate anyway so why this request again ..

    Remember fannie and freddie has been given help last week..

  394. Fox saying that Obama tried to take the lead in yesterday’s meeting asking questions and that is when it turned into a shouting match. Sure Barry you cross party lines…..

  395. You know something about this debate tonight on foreign policy.

    McCain is wise becuase until this US economic issue is sorted out that also affects wolrd markets,
    it would be bad to say something on foreign markets , trade etc while the weekend is looming in Asia/Eupore…

    That does not instill confident in world markets…

    That is why McCain is smart….the world needs to see a united american before some party issue in US.

  396. McCain was quieter in that meeting, because he has sense enough to want to listen to all sides, and not throw his weight around. Bambi came in and started finger-pointing and asking questions in his usual accusatory “lecturing” tone, and offending people, I’m sure.

    He would be freaking dangerous at diplomacy.

  397. Best explanation I have read on what happened with this mortgage security crisis:

    By one RDF:

    Joe goes to the track and bets $2 on a horse.

    Two guys standing nearby get into a discussion and Fred says to Sam, “I’ll bet you $5 that Joe wins his bet.”

    Next to them are Bill and Bob. Bill says: “I’ll bet you $10 that Fred welshes on his bet if he loses.”

    Next to them is Sally. Sally says: “For $3 I’ll guarantee to Bill that if Bob fails to pay off, I’ll make good on the bet.”

    Sally then goes to Mary and borrows the $7 needed in case she has to ever pay off and promises to pay back $8. She doesn’t expect to every have to pay since she believes Bob will always make good. So she expects to net $2 no matter what happens to Joe.

    A quick calculation indicates that there is now 2+5+10+3+7 = $27 riding on the outcome of the horse race.

    Question how much has been “invested” in the horse race?

    Wait for it:

    Answer:

    $50,000 by the owner of the horse who is expecting to recoup his investment from the winnings of the horse and other future deals. Everyone else is gambling, not investing.

    So, when Hank Paulson and his golfing buddies go to the track and lose the rent money playing the ponies, we should pay up?

    http://www.correntewire.com/the_crisis_explained

  398. Obama admits dual citizenship . Dual citizenship makes Obama ineligible — see Texas Darlin — also Berg on blog radio tonight to discuss the case

  399. lil, prior dual citizenship does NOT make anyone ineligible. There is nothing he could have done to stop it. His father is Kenyan born. But as long as he renounced it at some point, he’s absolutely fine. He’s a citizen born in the state of Hawaii.

  400. mp Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 10:24 am
    mj:

    Kenyan or Indosesian s well as US…he had triple citizenship???

    It’a all good. Still natural born citizen.

  401. MJ … “Renoucing” doesn’t matter. And there’s more. You might want to read this:

    Obama Admits Dual Citizenship
    September 25, 2008
    Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II
    By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
    So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:
    From “Fight the Smears”, courtesy of Annenberg-owned Factcheck.org (did they think they were helping?)
    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
    Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasn’t wrong. Likewise, I wasn’t wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Don’t take any bets that I’m wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.
    Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I haven’t moved an inch on it.
    However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN? The Senator isn’t saying, isn’t mentioning it, is trying to avoid producing any Paperwork at all. Why? If he is/was an Indonesian Citizen, too, the Senator’s entire narrative is a fiction and he should be ashamed of himself.
    He’s lied about Kenya, at least by omission, for months/years, so why should I assume he isn’t lying about Indonesia? Note Kenyan Citizenship automatically lapses if it isn’t renewed at age 21, Indonesian Citizenship doesn’t. If he was an Indonesian Citizen he would have to actively repudiate that Citizenship. Did he? Has he? Because if he hasn’t, Senator Obama is Dual National Indonesian at this moment, subject to the Laws of BOTH Countries, equally.
    That is true under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen. It does not matter that the Senator was not Responsible for the change of Citizenship because he was a child when it happened. Governor Schwarzenegger was not Responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria, or that under Austrian Law he is not a US Citizen, or under the US Law and Rules he is not a Citizen of Austria.
    Senator Obama needs to produce his Paperwork, all of it, not just a Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, but all his other Paperwork too.
    So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case. In turn, that means that as he lied about his Kenyan and British Citizenships he is probably lying about his Indonesian Citizenship.
    I do not suppose that it was ever his intention to give up his US Citizenship and it does not matter to me one bit. It doesn’t matter to Indonesia either. If Lolo Soetoro adopted him he ceased to be a US Citizen in the mid 1960s, BY INDONESIAN LAW. He also ceased to be a Kenyan Citizen, BY INDONESIAN LAW. By Kenyan and US Law he retained his Original Citizenships, until his 21st Birthday. By Indonesian Law he could have given up Indonesian Citizenship at age 18, but did he? If he didn’t he was, albeit accidentally, displaying a Legal Intention to void his US Citizenship, since he knew he could not Legally hold both Citizenships.
    Please don’t tell me that the US doesn’t have to concern itself with the Laws of Indonesia because, in this case, the US does have to do so. By the way, under US Law of another time the Senator would not have been a US Citizen at all, and he knows that.
    If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS because they previously held another Citizenship it is egregious, so far as I am concerned, that a Dual Citizen/Former Dual Citizen should claim to have a Legal Right to do so. I refer the reader to my Articles on Dual Citizenship and ask you to read the quotes from Blackstone. [TD NOTE: I will be re-posting all of Judah’s work shortly].
    This new material at “Fight the Smears” displays arrogance, hubris and bad faith, in my opinion. It is the Senator’s reaction to Phillip Berg’s Law Suit, and, basically, it amounts to an open admission of mens rea. He is flaunting his bad faith and in so doing destroys his own case.

  402. You know something about this debate tonight on foreign policy.

    McCain is wise becuase until this US economic issue is sorted out that also affects wolrd markets,
    it would be bad to say something on foreign markets , trade etc while the weekend is looming in Asia/Eupore…

    That does not instill confident in world markets…

    That is why McCain is smart….the world needs to see a united american before some party issue in US.
    *****************************************************
    I think the Dems are going to change it to the economy…from what I’m hearing from those working with BO, they are talking about prepping BO for the economy.

    Which tells me, the DEMS has leak all the information to BO and just like what they did to Hillary have the questions slated to their BAILOUT plan without informing McCain on the details.

    Sneaky and a way for the dims to get thier version out to the public on Friday and have the news shows talke it up all weekday.

    I think McCain should not do the debate, it’s a trap and in the long run not best for the American people. McCain and the republicans should stay in D.C. working throughout the weekend and letting the public know about the different plans.

  403. “Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship,”

    Above quote is from the J. Benjamin article, but there is much more.

  404. mj Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 10:27 am
    “It’s all good. Still natural born citizen.”
    ——————
    Your interpretation of the Constitution differs from other lawyers. Perhaps you might want to reconsider after reading the article.

  405. MJ — Please cite your legal references for this interpretation — I’m not being argumentative — I just want to understand.

  406. rjk: “Fox saying that Obama tried to take the lead in yesterday’s meeting asking questions and that is when it turned into a shouting match. Sure Barry you cross party lines…..”

    …………and bring people together.

  407. mj
    yes but if he used a passport from another country in his travels that negates his US citizenship. Yes or no? The US does not permit dual citizenship?

  408. mj is correct. My stepson was born in Japan. He is a natural born American citizen (dad in the military), but automatically received a Japanese citizenship that expired when he came of age. If he had decided, as an adult, to renounce his American citizenship and maintain the Japanese one, that would be a different matter.

    The fact that Obama’s dad was Kenyan, and so conferred a Kenyan citizenship that Obama never CLAIMED as an adult, is a non-issue. The bigger issue as far as citizenship and Obama, for me, is the Indonesian factor, which he has still not addressed. IF Obama travelled to Pakistan as an ADULT on an Indonesian passport, he would have had to formally claim Indonesian citizenship AS AN ADULT.

    The Kenyan stuff is a smokescreen. The Indonesian factor amy in truth be a problem. Not because of any “natural born” status, but because the USA does not allow dual citizenship IN ADULTS. If one as an adult accepts citizenship in another country, your US citizenship is automatically revoked.

    Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include:
    becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;

  409. Obama Admits Dual Citizenship
    September 25, 2008
    Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
    So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:
    From “Fight the Smears”, courtesy of Annenberg-owned Factcheck.org (did they think they were helping?)
    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
    Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasn’t wrong. Likewise, I wasn’t wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Don’t take any bets that I’m wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.
    Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I haven’t moved an inch on it.
    However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN? The Senator isn’t saying, isn’t mentioning it, is trying to avoid producing any Paperwork at all. Why? If he is/was an Indonesian Citizen, too, the Senator’s entire narrative is a fiction and he should be ashamed of himself.
    He’s lied about Kenya, at least by omission, for months/years, so why should I assume he isn’t lying about Indonesia? Note Kenyan Citizenship automatically lapses if it isn’t renewed at age 21, Indonesian Citizenship doesn’t. If he was an Indonesian Citizen he would have to actively repudiate that Citizenship. Did he? Has he? Because if he hasn’t, Senator Obama is Dual National Indonesian at this moment, subject to the Laws of BOTH Countries, equally.
    That is true under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen. It does not matter that the Senator was not Responsible for the change of Citizenship because he was a child when it happened. Governor Schwarzenegger was not Responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria, or that under Austrian Law he is not a US Citizen, or under the US Law and Rules he is not a Citizen of Austria.
    Senator Obama needs to produce his Paperwork, all of it, not just a Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, but all his other Paperwork too.
    So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case. In turn, that means that as he lied about his Kenyan and British Citizenships he is probably lying about his Indonesian Citizenship.
    I do not suppose that it was ever his intention to give up his US Citizenship and it does not matter to me one bit. It doesn’t matter to Indonesia either. If Lolo Soetoro adopted him he ceased to be a US Citizen in the mid 1960s, BY INDONESIAN LAW. He also ceased to be a Kenyan Citizen, BY INDONESIAN LAW. By Kenyan and US Law he retained his Original Citizenships, until his 21st Birthday. By Indonesian Law he could have given up Indonesian Citizenship at age 18, but did he? If he didn’t he was, albeit accidentally, displaying a Legal Intention to void his US Citizenship, since he knew he could not Legally hold both Citizenships.
    Please don’t tell me that the US doesn’t have to concern itself with the Laws of Indonesia because, in this case, the US does have to do so. By the way, under US Law of another time the Senator would not have been a US Citizen at all, and he knows that.
    If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS because they previously held another Citizenship it is egregious, so far as I am concerned, that a Dual Citizen/Former Dual Citizen should claim to have a Legal Right to do so. I refer the reader to my Articles on Dual Citizenship and ask you to read the quotes from Blackstone. [TD NOTE: I will be re-posting all of Judah’s work shortly].
    This new material at “Fight the Smears” displays arrogance, hubris and bad faith, in my opinion. It is the Senator’s reaction to Phillip Berg’s Law Suit, and, basically, it amounts to an open admission of mens rea. He is flaunting his bad faith and in so doing destroys his own case.

  410. H4T … children of parents in the military are considered natural citizens — that is not the issue in re Obama — the key is in the interpretation of Article II and the claims upon him by laws of other countries

  411. Obama went negative and accused/fingerpointed that their was a lot of politicizing going on and there was no place for it.
    ———————————————–
    Desperate times prove what the really is: a divider not a uniter. An arrogant naive bastard rather than a problemsolver. An amateur in every sense of the world. A perilous misstep for the country in these dangerous times. Cannot keep his cool under pressure for love or money. Can you imagine how Putin would play this kind of guy speaking of foreign policy.

  412. The Dimocrats are whinning on TV and complaining the McCain is not telling them where he stand at.

    Chris Dodd is sweating.

    Harry Reid is mad and he knows he is losing to McCain so they are blaming the house Republicans and McCain.

    The power is in McCain hand and the longer he stays in D.C. the more the the people will get a better deal then the one Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd

  413. The reporters are trying to get specifics details from Dodd and he keeps saying ” I don’t want to get in to that.”

  414. He jumps in bed with Bush and lards up the bailout bill with pork–20% to ACORN and when people complain he accuses THEM of politicizing the crisis? He is an idiot! An incompetent dictator. A serious threat to our future.

  415. Harry Reid: Dirt Bag
    Posted by: Erick Erickson

    Harry Reid is on television right now. He says we need to get Presidential politics out of the negotiations because it is not helpful.

    Then he goes on to say we must do what Senator Obama says. Senator Obama’s principles must be in the plan.

    Then he starts bashing John McCain for grand standing and getting in front of the camera and causing disruptions.

  416. # carbynew Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    I think there may be something into the birth certificate…but what is going on with the Berg lawsuit?
    ——————————
    Berg on blogtalk radio to discuss the case tonight at 8:30

  417. How much money are we talking to ACORN? 20% of 700billion or 20% of the pork. And how does a penny to ACORN do anything to strenghen the economy? Isn’t there some ambitious journalist who wants a pulitzer out there to show what ACORN has done with the money it has already rec’d?

  418. maybe that’s why ACORN works so hard for the Obamanation…

    if there was ever a federal bailout – the Dems and Obama promised to give ACORN the windfall…

  419. meiyingsu, it is very obvious, watching Reid on TV, that the ONLY thing the Dems are concerned about is making sure that their ascendance, and the ascendance of their hand-picked One, goes through as planned. They are terrified that a deal brokered by McCain (even if it is a good deal) will shift the advantage on economic ground to McCain.

    The DNC leadership is perfectly willing to screw over the entire country if they can do it in a way that spins it well for Obama, and keeps their deep-pocket special interest groups happy. The dereliction of duty is BREATHTAKING.

  420. What I find so fascinating is that the American people are the ones who are saying DON’T DO IT!

    We’re not afraid of standing on our principles…it WALL STREET that doesn’t want layoffs and they can use their money or go home. This nation has a lot of resouces and can drill out some to get money.

    Don’t expand any powers to the FED and Treasury…it is not needed.

  421. I just want to get this straight A Cat 4 hurricane is approaching Texas and most in harms way have been evacuated and bambi said it would be inappropriate for him to appear in a taped segment for SNL a few weeks later we are led to believe that our economy is on the brink of disaster and waffles will not postpone a debate.

  422. Apparently, ACORN also received 500 million in the last housing bill. I read that in a posting on Riverdaughter. There is approx 6-8 billion dollars in pork. From offshore drilling ban, prohibition of getting oil from shale to ACORN. That’s all I know. If the pork wasn’t in there, the bill might have a chance of passing. What provisions are there for homeowners?

  423. Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues – Country Headed to a Constitutional Crisis
    Wednesday, 24 September 2008 22:46 administrator For Immediate Release: – 09/24/08

    Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues While Betraying Public in not Producing a Certified Copy of Obama’s “Vault” Birth Certificate and Oath of Allegiance
    Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/24/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

    Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.”

    It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

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    If found this on google under obama crimes. The question is when is the court scheduled to rule on the motion to dismiss?

  424. carbynew Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 11:01 am
    The Dimocrats are whinning on TV and complaining the McCain is not telling them where he stand at. Chris Dodd is sweating. Harry Reid is mad and he knows he is losing to McCain so they are blaming the house Republicans and McCain.

    The power is in McCain hand and the longer he stays in D.C. the more the the people will get a better deal then the one Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Looks like McCain is already debating…and looking good.

  425. Re Berg case: This seems to be the situation as of the 24th of Sept: as presented on Berg’s web site obamacrimes.com :

    “…Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
    Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.”
    It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.”

  426. AP Story on Fate of the Debate

    McCain remains undecided about debate with Obama
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    By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
    24 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON – Hours before the premiere presidential debate was scheduled to begin Friday night, Republican John McCain’s attendance was still in doubt as Congress and the Bush administration continued to negotiate a Wall Street bailout plan

    McCain met briefly Friday morning with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, before heading to his campaign headquarters. He has pledged to stay in Washington to work on a deal that would address the financial crisis, even if it meant postponing the debate.

    But there were signs McCain was looking for a face-saving way to make the debate, even if a deal wasn’t sealed. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., McCain’s representative in debate negotiations, suggested that McCain would find some way to make it to the event scheduled for 9 p.m. EDT at the University of Mississippi.

    “What’s more important than anything that when we go to Mississippi tonight, both candidates can say that the Congress is working, back in business, that we have an outline or proposal that will protect the taxpayer and save the country from financial Pearl Harbor, as Warren Buffet called it,” Graham said on “Today” on NBC. “We are not there yet, but we will get there.”

    McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said Friday morning “we are hopeful” McCain would be able to attend.

    His rival, Democrat Barack Obama, was preparing to fly out of Washington late Friday morning. Obama said he and McCain should be able to handle the 90-minute forum and the financial crisis at the same time.

    “Sen. McCain has no need to be fearful about a debate,” Obama told reporters Thursday night. “He’s a person of strong opinions and he’s been expressing them on the campaign trail.”

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a McCain supporter, said the Republican made a “huge mistake” by even discussing canceling the debate.

    “You can’t just say, ‘World, stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,'” Huckabee told reporters Thursday night in Alabama before attending a benefit for the University of Mobile. He said it’s more important for voters to hear from the presidential candidates than for them to huddle with fellow senators in Washington.

    Both McCain and Obama had returned to Washington on Thursday at the urging of President Bush, who invited them to a meeting with congressional leaders at the White House. But a session aimed at showing unity in resolving the financial crisis broke up with conflicts in plain view.

    McCain’s campaign said the meeting “devolved into a contentious shouting match” and implied that Obama was at fault — on a day when McCain said he was putting politics aside to focus on the nation’s financial problems.

    Democrats differed, saying the refusal of McCain and other Republicans to support the plan worked out by congressional negotiators was creating a road block.

    “The insertion of presidential politics has not been helpful,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Friday.

    Meanwhile, debate preparations continued in Oxford, with streets blocked off and big TV screens set up on campus and near City Hall for large debate-watching parties. Aides to both candidates toured the Gertrude Castellow Ford Center where it was to be held to get a feel for the setup.

    McCain’s wife, Cindy, canceled her scheduled appearances Friday in Oxford to stay in Washington with her husband. She had planned to attend an event to raise awareness of autism, work on assembling donations for troubled children with the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority and sit for local media interviews.

    The Obama campaign announced that the candidate’s wife, Michelle, would attend the debate with Shannon Kendall of New Mexico, the wife of a soldier serving his second tour in Iraq. And they encouraged supporters to attend debate watching parties scheduled in communities across the country.

    Obama spokeswoman Linda Douglass said Friday morning that there have been no conversations with the McCain campaign on the Republican’s plans. She said she didn’t know how the debate commission would structure the event if McCain’s a no-show, but “we would anticipate participating in some kind of event.”

    Television network officials were left with the uncertainty of whether their Friday night programming would be the scheduled debate or something else arranged at the last minute. Pressed in an interview on the “CBS Evening News” about whether he would show, McCain responded: “I understand how important this debate is and I’m very hopeful, but I also have to put the country first.”

    Obama told NBC that, should the debate go on, he would raise the economy even though the focus was supposed to be foreign policy.

    “It’s one of the fundamental differences that I have with John McCain, and it’s something that I think we need to explore in a debate format,” Obama said. “We’re only talking about 90 minutes here.”

  427. I’m listening to the President press secretary and I just want to ask this one question:

    I George W. Bush a Republican?

  428. At some point Congress needs to conduct a full investigation into ACORN. Too much public money being put in an organization which has a poven track record of fraud on its political arm. By contributing public money to its housing arm we also end up boosting its stature of its bambi political arem within the demographic it serves. That may or may not be the intent but it is without question the effect. Again, there must be no connection between the orgaization, i.e no common ownership, no common management or oversight, no comignling of operations, no interchange of employees, no sharing of office space and no common name–no how now way nobama.

  429. ADMIN … really good video on history of this financial crisis — saw it on No Quarter — maybe we ought to post it here

  430. if this doesn’t show the best case for divided government Executive one party/ Congress another party….I don’t know what does

    If the Rebulicans lose the white house they better have enough reps to stop the mow over by a democratic congress

  431. carbynew Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 11:20 am
    What are DU saying about this now…do they still like McCain or have they gone back to bashing him?
    &&&&&

    Who or what is “DU”??

  432. Obama is pontificating again on tv and he looks WEAK. The Dims are trying to prop him up like he is a LEADER but John McCain ran all over him without saying a word…in fact he said so little that Harry Reid complained all about this all over his petty press conference.

  433. If the judge denies the motion to dismiss then this case will become a cloud over his candidacy going into November and in that case one would hope that the republicans would hit him hard on his posting of a false birth certificate on his website and why that is material. If they do it now and the case is dismissed even if that dismissal is appealed, they will look foolish.

  434. I think it was a huge mistake for obama to lose his cool in that meeting and drive the parties further apart. What a disaster he is. No way he can be a mediator or rise above it now in terms of the dynamics. Yet another example of the great pretender in action.

  435. Correct me if I am wrong: it looks to me like McCain has the winning hand here in spite of the Dems dumping on him and the repubs right now. The Dems can’t go anywhere with any bailout plan without the House repubs and McCain blessing it. Any modifications they make has to agree with the repubs and then it becomes bi-partisan but McCain could still point to their acceptance of the original Bush plan and then say he and the House repubs saved the day. No?

  436. • wbboei Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 11:51 am
    Did Berg indicate when the judge will rule on this motion to dismiss?
    ————————–
    I’ve been looking for an answer to that question, too – it’s not on Berg’s site, so either there’s been no ruling yet or maybe he’ll announce it on blogtalkradio.com

  437. He sunk into the role of a mere partisan instead of rising into the role of a national leader. Bambi failed and all he can do now is try to make his chicken shit into a chicken sandwich by jawboning and speechifying.

  438. nObama: You can call me if you need me.
    McCain: If America does not need us now, Barrack, it can get along without us period.
    Big Dawg: McCain is an honorable patriot and a truthteller who has sacrificed just about all that a citizen can for their country short of their life.
    Hillary: Barrack, the country would have been so much better off without you in the first place, as they had me, a competent, vetted, vested President [oops almost but you/DNC/undemocratic Democartic Party prevented my nomination] who has carefully thought out and detailed plans for every facet of the government for the Main Street citizens all across this great nation of ours.
    JohnQPublic: Now, listen to this young man, we will call you if and when we need YOU.
    JaneQPublic: Mr. Obama, we the American citizens for a safe, secure, and economically sound government of the people-by the people and for the people are calling you at 3 a.m. this morning to tell you WE DO NOT WANT OR NEED YOU – never. Ever. nObama. NO how. No Way. We could have had Hillary who we trust and love and who LOVES this country and the citizens in it, but you saw to it that choice was eliminated. So, Mr. Obama, step aside and let the real grown up left in the general election fufill his promise to us, the citizens, of Country First, last and always!

  439. NY Times: Obama’s Misleading Ads
    September 26, 2008 10:11 AM

    The New York Times is reporting this morning that Barack Obama has put out some “questionable” ads of late. This while criticizing John McCain for less than truthful campaign commercials. Here is an excerpt from the Times: “Yet as Mr. McCain’s misleading advertisements became fodder on shows like “The View” and “Saturday Night Live,” Mr. Obama began his own run of advertisements on radio and television that have matched the dubious nature of Mr. McCain’s more questionable spots.”

    The Times takes specific issue with an Obama ad claiming that John McCain “stood in the way” of stem cell research. In fact, the Times points out that McCain broke with President Bush to support federal dollars being spent on stem cell research.

  440. So, add to the above conversation what Michelle would say to nObama in the background. Would she have changed Pflegers words to chastise nObama?

  441. Everyone…send an email or call the BHO campaign offices and tell them…”Hey, just letting you know WE DON”T NEED YOU”

  442. IN response to meiyingsu: one of my issues is that of Stem Cell research. If Stem Cell research had been allowed, SuperMan would be alive right now and my oldest son would be able to walk who became a chair user after a terminal degenerative muscle diseast that he inherited to me. My son has an IQ almost off the charts and had his “finger of death” on the missile launching button during the Persian Gulf War – and now that brilliant man has beenr reduced to living in a nonfuncitonal and very painful body while his fine mind rails and rots. What a terrible thing to waste such a great mind in a delibating body that research could have prevented. My loss. My country’s loss. My heart breaks.

  443. Correction of errors-sorry:
    In response to meiyingsu: one of my issues is that of Stem Cell research. If Stem Cell research had been allowed, SuperMan [Christopher Reeves] would be alive right now and my oldest son would be able to walk who became a chair user after a terminal degenerative muscle disease that he inherited from me. My son has an IQ almost off the charts and had his “finger of death” on the missile launching button during the Persian Gulf War – and now that brilliant man has been reduced to living in a nonfunctional and very painful body while his fine mind rails and rots. What a terrible thing to waste such a great mind in a delibating body that research could have prevented. My loss. My country’s loss. My heart breaks.

  444. pm317 Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Correct me if I am wrong: it looks to me like McCain has the winning hand here in spite of the Dems dumping on him and the repubs right now. The Dems can’t go anywhere with any bailout plan without the House repubs and McCain blessing it. Any modifications they make has to agree with the repubs and then it becomes bi-partisan but McCain could still point to their acceptance of the original Bush plan and then say he and the House repubs saved the day. No?
    &&&&&&&&&

    The Senators and Congresspeople from both parties are having to balance:
    a) ensuring the stability of the US economy (by shoring up certain lending institutions)

    vs.

    b) the phone ringing off the hook at their offices from their constituents saying “You going to throw money at Wall St. by taking money from Main St.”

    And, they have to face these voters, many in just a few weeks. The little people are angry.

    &&&
    So McCain seems to be saying, “You guys say you’ve got some deal worked out, but the taxpayers want to be sure that there is oversight, a cap on executive salaries, a phased-in payment, etc. They don’t want to write a blank check, and there are colleagues on both sides of the aisle who are demanding a bill that meets the smell test.”

  445. Correct me if I am wrong: it looks to me like McCain has the winning hand here in spite of the Dems dumping on him and the repubs right now. The Dems can’t go anywhere with any bailout plan without the House repubs and McCain blessing it. Any modifications they make has to agree with the repubs and then it becomes bi-partisan but McCain could still point to their acceptance of the original Bush plan and then say he and the House repubs saved the day. No?
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    yes/ and that is why they are fulminating, flumoxing and speechifying til hell won’t have it anymore. It is sort of like a before and after commerical on weight loss–the bailout proposal coming out minus the pork.

  446. NY Times: Obama’s Misleading Ads
    September 26, 2008 10:11 AM
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    If this is the best they can do to set the record straight on bambi there are as corrupt and useless as we know they are/

  447. I am so proud right now:
    -of John McCain putting his country first once again
    -Richard Shelby from my home state of Alabama who is not easily flim flammed, and is a voice of dissention against the flim flam proposed by Reid/Pelsoi/Dodd/Frank/and others.
    -House Republican from Michigan McCotter, thank God for pragmatic heads wanting to get it right for the American people
    -Sarah Palin for her strength of character in stepping into the manure and assassination by the MSM and Obamanationals using sexism and misogyny; and the now bitter people who would not force the DNC to play by their own rules and not CHEAT to takle the nomination from the other strong and competent woman, Hillary.

    And what is this about 20% to ACORN in the gifted bailout proposed by the very people who profited from the enterprise of failure to begin with like Dodd and Obama?
    They, leaders from both sides, Congress and Senate, must take as much time as needed to see that the American public is not fleeced – there will be little reworking it after it is a done deal. Fire all of them that proposed more pork, especially for ACORN, in this time of what they call a CRISIS for the entire globe.

  448. From a poster at NQ; Did Obama say to them what BC said he said? Obama is really dumb and out of his league.
    ———————————
    Look at Bill Clinton’s remarks about Obama at his Global Initiative’s annual meeting. He gave a great introduction for McCain.
    But what I found interesting is what Bill said about Obama. It seems that Obama only wants enough information to get votes.
    “Clinton disclosed that Obama contacted both him and his wife for advice on the current crisis. “He said this: ‘Just tell me what you think [we] ought to do and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable. Let’s figure out what the right thing to do is and then we’ll figure out how to sell it.’”

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_praises_mccain/2008/09/25/134478.html?s=al&promo_code=6B8E-1

  449. They, leaders from both sides, the House and the Senate, must take as much time as needed to see that the American public is not fleeced… Oh, God, there will be another book on Fleecing from Dick Morris. I feel it coming.

  450. ShortTermer Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
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    That is a very moving story and I am so sorry. It points up why stem cell research is so important. My only point above is there are a thousand issues that bambi has misled the country on which like this one are critical to our future, yet they confine themselves to one and call his lies simply misleading/

  451. I can’t stand this bunch of Democratic? Taliban Party Leaders…except for Hillary Clinton and a few-mostly those that backed Hillary and stayed with her.

    I find myself in “Outer Limits” with the Democrats…The Republicans are looking very good to me…who would have thunk it, that the Democrats have thrown me under the bus.

  452. I think it was a strategic mistake for McCain to go forward with the debate tonight. He should have adhered to his prior position to wait until this issue was resolved. The rest of his strategy I agree with. I hope I am proven wrong on this single point. Anyone see it differently?

  453. Just tell me what you think [we] ought to do and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable. Let’s figure out what the right thing to do is and then we’ll figure out how to sell it.’”
    ——————————————–
    Obama does not know the right thing to do??? When he dismisses the importance of politics he errs again. Politics is the art of the possible.

  454. wbboei, please no sympathy for me, as I am very proud to have given life to this magificient human being that could have lived a life doing great things for our nation, but for lack of research and cures. I recognize fully that politicians the ilk of nObama work pretty d@mned hard to give millions of American taypayer dollars to things like ACORN and yet leave it up to people like Jerry Lewis [who through his MDA foundation was the first and only help for my son] to beg for dollars that could really make a difference.

    Bambi has misled the nation on so much, it would fill volumes, but what has been mostly overlooked is that he and his minions have failed to allow any voices of dissention or discovery about himself at the same time criticizing, or allowing his surrogates to be critical of, anyone who opposes him.

    And IMHO, he was likely responsible for his team of riders in black hats placing all the pork into the bailout, especially the ACORN money. Just in the last week or so, the local news has reported that ACORN was accused of voter fraud in Volusia County [I think that is the right county] here in Florida.

  455. I understand why, Mississippi has spent alot of money and it would not surprise me if the media still gave Obama 90 mins to pontificate on the Democratic Spending bill without a different pov given.

    Now McCain can go there and debate bringing the House republicans pov too and not letting Obama and the Dims hog the debate….Because you know McCain will drop that ACORN bullsh*t in the middle of the debate if Obama tries something.

    You know the Dims are pissed because Harry Reid and Chris Dodd looked like they were going to have a heartattack when they gave their press conference.

    The more the Republicans talk about TAXPAYERS PROTECTIONS vs DEMS PORKS, the more they will move towards the Republicans.

  456. Shortermer. Thanks for your enlightening comments.
    —————————————–

    I am glad to see Jerry was able to help. I met him one time in Cleveland–he was there as a speaking guest of Jackie Presser then General President of the Teamsters. Jerry is a neat guy and has done alot of good for the people as you know. And, as fate would have it he has severe heath issues of his own. I have not heard anything for a while thus I hope he is still with us.

  457. # wbboei Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I think it was a strategic mistake for McCain to go forward with the debate tonight. He should have adhered to his prior position to wait until this issue was resolved. The rest of his strategy I agree with. I hope I am proven wrong on this single point. Anyone see it differently?

    ******
    that’s my kneejerk reaction as well – mostly because of how the Obama-propaganda press will slant this as McCain as a waffler or pulling the “political stunt”- however, let’s see what McCain has in his bag of tricks- it may very well be as Carbynew says.

  458. # wbboei Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Just tell me what you think [we] ought to do and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable. Let’s figure out what the right thing to do is and then we’ll figure out how to sell it.’”
    ——————————————–
    Obama does not know the right thing to do??? When he dismisses the importance of politics he errs again. Politics is the art of the possible.
    ———————————–

    I think that is a direct quote in the article and What took my breath away is the choice of words — and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable.

  459. I understand why, Mississippi has spent alot of money and it would not surprise me if the media still gave Obama 90 mins to pontificate on the Democratic Spending bill without a different pov given.

    Now McCain can go there and debate bringing the House republicans pov too and not letting Obama and the Dims hog the debate….Because you know McCain will drop that ACORN bullsh*t in the middle of the debate if Obama tries something.
    ——————————————–
    Carby-
    Excellent argument. You have convinced me. I withdraw my prior comment that this was a strategic mistake. It is a strategic necessity.

  460. # wbboei Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I think it was a strategic mistake for McCain to go forward with the debate tonight. He should have adhered to his prior position to wait until this issue was resolved. The rest of his strategy I agree with. I hope I am proven wrong on this single point. Anyone see it differently?
    —————————–

    I think he did the right thing going for the debate. Sure the media will spin it. But if he had not gone, spin would be a lot more destructive which is why Obama hung to it so strongly. I like to think he left it open enough that he can go back to it tonight. This is not the battle of wills McCain needed to play, IMHO. I hope he chooses his words carefully tonight for maximum impact to describe his actions and their implications in the last 48 hours. He has a good storyline — he was called to help because the the current deal was not acceptable and the Dems were going to go for it.

  461. It was interesting to note in the same Newsweek article what else Bill Clinton said about McCain and Obama:

    …“John McCain wants to know and I am profoundly grateful to him [for] coming here today.”…

    …Barack Obama also addressed the Clinton Global Initiative via satellite from Florida. Before he spoke, Clinton praised him for rearranging his schedule to be able to speak to the gathering…
    —————————————–
    McCain CAME to LEARN; Obama rearranged his busy schedule [cramming like a college student at final exam time]. Now which one will the American citizens think of as acting Presidential? My money is on McCain.
    ——————————
    As others have posted the same article said the following:

    …Clinton disclosed that Obama contacted both him and his wife for advice on the current crisis. “He said this: ‘Just tell me what you think [we] ought to do and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable. Let’s figure out what the right thing to do is and then we’ll figure out how to sell it.’”

    So he had to call HILLARY, I hope it was not at 3am. WE, WE, WE now that his a$$ is in a sling????? The two patriots that he and others like Donna Brazile, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Howard and his brother Dean threw under the bus and tried so vigilantly to damage their legacy…….who he now wants to xerox their ideas on what the RIGHT thing to do is, oh please give me a break. I so wish that Bill and Hill had said, Barrack, the right thing to do is step aside and Hillary will head the DEM ticket as both she and I know instinctively and through decades of experience what the right thing to do is.
    I hope my friend Paul F Virreall makes a YouTube video of this craps and wipes the floor with nObama and this admission that he:
    a) does not know what the right thing to do is
    b) is in dire straits and now, finally, asks for outside input
    c) wants to xerox Hill again
    d) will only rearrange his schedule, from the paradise of Florida, to phone/video in his contribution to the CGI – now we know from his own mouth why: he does not know what the right thing to do is
    e) encouraged the AA’s to follow his lead and trample on Bill’s legacy, but now turns to Bill to help him bail out of this mess
    f) is up to his a$$ in alligators [happens to be in Florida at the time] and is about to become a food source [snack,really] while McCain is trying to drain the bureaucratic swamp in Washington

  462. admin,
    the facinating thing about this election is that MANY democrats have finally taken a look at what the other side is saying. Many now embrace the views of republicans and concur with the right wing journalists.

    While our core values have not changed when it comes to helping those less fortunate than ourselves and righting the wrongs of the past, we are able to broaden our approach in how best to solve these problems with the ideals of the republican and democratic party both at the table.

    We still have a long way to go, however, I am encouraged by this turn of events. I hope we can continue down this course. I would cherish nothing more than being a united country.

  463. I think that is a direct quote in the article and What took my breath away is the choice of words — and do not waste any breath talking about what is – or is not – politically salable.
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    This could be interpeted to mean he does not want to solve the problem but to demagogue over it.

  464. Easton McNeal has a good write up at NQ.

    Obama is right smack in the middle of this huge housing scandal, ACORN, Fannie and Freddie moneys (he is the third most senator to get money from all these people and why, WHY?), failed banks (think Pritsker) and Wall Street, and when is all that information be given to the little people? I hope with this bailout thing, the House repubs will talk about all this on camera.

  465. If we were dealing with an honest man then this could be an innocent question. It is harvard business school crap–ideal state, current state, gap analysis etc. But in his case politics is sine qua non–and for him to say we will figure that out is great theater but misses the fundamental point. My guess is he wants this material for a speech. I hope the Republicans can save the country form this bush bot dem coalition to wreck the country under the pretense of saving it/

  466. I can’t stand this particular toe-suckers (others are probably fine), but perhaps Dick Morris has some insight into what’s about to happen: http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/09/26/the-brilliance-of-mccains-move/#more-446

    THE BRILLIANCE OF MCCAIN’S MOVE

    Published on DickMorris.com on September 26, 2008

    McCain has transformed a minority in both houses of Congress and a losing position in the polls into the key role in the bailout package, the main man around whom the final package will take shape. He arrived in Washington to find the Democrats working with the Bush Administration to pass an unpopular $700 billion bailout. The Democrats had already cut their deal with Bush. The Dems agreed to the price tag while Bush agreed to special aid to families facing foreclosure, equity for the taxpayers, and limits on executive compensation. But no sooner had McCain arrived than he derailed the deal.

    Knowing how unpopular the bailout is with the American people, the Democrats are not about to pass anything without broad Republican support even though their majorities permit them to act alone. Instead of signing on with the Democratic/Bush package, the House Republicans are insisting on replacing the purchase of corporate debt with loans to companies and insurance paid for by the companies, not by the taxpayers. That, of course, is a popular position. McCain would be comfortable to debate this issue division all day. And, if the Dems don’t cave into the Republican position, that’s probably exactly what he’ll do on Friday night’s scheduled debate in Mississippi.

    But the Democrats are not about to be stubborn. They know their package is a lemon and need the political cover of Republican support. So the Republicans can write their own ticket…and they will. John McCain will be at the center of the emerging compromise while Obama is out on the campaign trail kissing babies. If the deal is cut before Friday’s debate, my bet is that McCain shows up in triumph. If it isn’t, he shows up anyway and flagellates Obama over the differences between the Democratic package and McCain’s.

    By Monday, at the latest, the Democrats have to cave in and pass the Republican version. They don’t dare pass their own without GOP support, so they will have to cave in to the Republican version.

    Then McCain comes out of the process as the hero who made it happen when the president couldn’t and Obama wouldn’t. He becomes the bailout expert.

    And, of course, the bailout will work. With the feds standing behind the bad debt, whether by purchase or loans and insurance, Wall Street will breathe a sigh of relief. Bears won’t dare bet against the economy with the entire weight of the federal government on the other side. They may be bears but they are not rabid.

    Finally, McCain, as the reigning expert on bailouts, then can take the tax issue to Obama, saying that a tax increase, such as the Democrat is pushing, would destroy the bailout, ruin the economy, and trigger a collapse.

    This bold move by McCain is about to work. Big time.

  467. What Bill did is divorce Obama….Obama has been leaching on Bill Clinton’s reputation to give him cover. Bill stopped that!

    He is letting people know, he they choose to see, that Bill and Hillary economic proposals are not included in BO plans. Bill and Hillary are on the outside…and he is letting everybody know.

    FoxNews is reporting that the republicans are saying that “pet projects” will not be funded and that what any monies the get will go back to pay down the debt.

    McCain is my hero. I’am disgusted with the Democratic? Taliban Party, just disgusted. I like the republican ideas a lot more then the Democrats, I do not include Hillary suggestions because I know Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Obama have “kicked Hillary to the curb.”

  468. That is my gut feeling, there is a rush to wreck the country under the guise and intense pressure to save it, and do it now or the sky will fall.

    Also, would like to note that Greta asked last night that the people blog on her site or email her about the bailout. She said she was particularly interested in hearing from the people from the swing states. She said that it was what the people want and think, not what the politicians want or think.

    And it is obvious to me there has been a huge swing in attitude, except for Hannity and Greta, at Fox since O’Reilly had nObama on. No good. Not acceptable.

  469. You are starting to see from the Republican what reform looks like. Pet projects get gutted. The bush-bot coalition was stupid to lard this bailout bill with pork–but they cannot help themselves

  470. wbboei Says:
    I think it was a strategic mistake for McCain to go forward with the debate tonight. He should have adhered to his prior position to wait until this issue was resolved. The rest of his strategy I agree with. I hope I am proven wrong on this single point. Anyone see it differently?
    ===========

    Offhand, yes. I haven’t been following this closely, but my clear impression was that McCain’s UNILATERAL suspension of MOST campaign activities constituted an invitation to Obama to suspend or slack off on his (or gave him some free shots) so that Obama could also concentrate on the crisis. I see it as an honorable thing to do — like standing back while your opponent picks up his dropped sword.

    The fact that Obama choose to use this free time to attack McCain ABOUT the debate — is not McCain’s fault, and frees him to go ahead with the debate, at Obama’s request.

    It was Obama who needed the time-out most, as he needed the prep time. McCain could drop from a helicopter to the stage and debate Obama without looking up from the financial papers and while talking to Bush on his Blackberry with the other hand.

    If the hour on the debate stage can be worked into McCain’s schedule, then doing it is the common sense thing to do. It wasn’t a matter of principle to McCain (other than to make and stand by the offer).

  471. The Acorn thng:

    Starting back in the Carter Administration and again early in the Clinton Admin, the Dems rammed through requirements that Freddy and Fannie underwrite loans to high-risk “poor folk” who could afford mortages. They set up Federal trust funds of dollars that had to be loaned to people who couldn’t afford the mortgages.

    This led to organizations like Acorn getting involved in mortgages and housing as part of their efforts to “help poor people”, supported by a pile of federal money and mandates that these loans had to be made, no matter what.

    These policies are what started the ball rolling on the whole sub-prime mortgage house of cards. The Feds required banks to make these loans.

    Now, 20% of the profit when the bailout loan packages are ultimately sold are being earmarked to go into these Federal trust funds for more risky mortgages — the same trust funds set up years ago that led to this mess. That’s the 20% to Acorn that the Repubs are shoutin’ about. They want the all the profit to go right back to paying off the national debt (where it came from in the first place).

  472. Guys, I saw this on a blog with no link, but if true it is BAD. If true, then OBAMA is the one who derailed the White House talks, not McCain. And Paulson and the Wall Street boyz Obama is in bed with helped him do it. Obama got inside info, and tried to use it to sandbag McCain in that meeting. OBAMA, NOT MCCAIN, IS IN BED WITH THE BUSH BOYS TO SMOKESCREEN THE PEOPLE. Please, email this to Hannity, O’Reilly, anyone you think will look into it!

    hannity@foxnews.com

    oreilly@foxnews.com

    “When Sen. Barack Obama was given the floor to speak during White House negotiations, according to White House aides, he did so raising concerns about a House Republican alternative to the Paulson/Bernanke $700 billion bailout. But those concerns weren’t necessarily his, as he was not aware of the GOP plan before reviewing notes provided him by Paulson loyalists in Treasury prior to entering the meeting.

    According to an Obama campaign source, the notes were passed to Obama via senior aides traveling with him, who had been emailed the document via a current Goldman Sachs employee and Wall Street fundraiser for the Obama campaign. “It was made clear that the memo was from ‘friends’ and was reliable,” says the campaign source.

    The memo allowed Obama and his fellow Democrats to box in Republican attendees and essentially took what President Bush had billed as a negotiating meeting off the rails.

    “Paulson and his team have not acted in good faith for this President or the administration for which they serve,” says a House Republican leader who was not present at the White House meeting, but who instead is part of the team hammering out the House GOP alternative. “We keep hearing about how Secretary Paulson is working with Democrats on this or that, yet he never seems to consider working with the party that essentially hired him. Perhaps he’s auditioning for a Democratic administration job. Our proposal didn’t just spring forth fully formed; we’ve been working on this for several days, and Treasury staff has known about it

  473. Mississippi is a conservative state and will be very welcoming to McCain and his ideals.

    FoxNews had this Black Pundit on their panel who is from Mississippi and she was soooo happy for what McCain did. She said, McCain did what the people wanted done….they don’t what a blank check going to WALL STREET and they don’t want pork.

    The republicans plan seem very reasonable and I agree with it. I’ll think I’ll help the Republican GOTV because after seeing how this bunch of DEMS think about us…I DON’T TRUST THEM AT ALL!

  474. Isn’t it interesting that MSM and even realclearpolitics no longer use zogby polls? Could it be that MSM does not want the public to know that McCain is leading in all the states that matter and has a lead in national polling.
    http://www.zogby.com/50state/

    Released: September 25, 2008
    Zogby Poll: McCain Recovers as Contest Takes Dramatic Turns; McCain 46% – Obama 44%

    First presidential debate still up in the air as campaigns shuffle schedules

    UTICA, New York – Republican John McCain’s poll numbers improved slightly as he suspended his campaign Wednesday to head back to Washington to focus on the looming national financial crisis, moving from more than three points behind Barack Obama last weekend to two points ahead in a Zogby Interactive survey just out of the field this morning.

    What is still unknown is what will happen to the first presidential debate in Mississippi, which had been set for Friday evening but which has been put on hold by the McCain campaign. The sponsor of the debate and the Obama campaign insist the debate will go on.

    Both surveys of likely voters nationwide were conducted using Zogby’s online polling technology, which has proven accurate in national and statewide races dating back to 2004.

    McCain now leads Obama, 45.8% to 43.8%, the survey shows.

    The Horserace
    Sept. 23/25

    Obama
    43.8%

    McCain
    45.8%

    Not sure/Other
    8.8%

    The big shift in the race appears to have come among independent voters, where McCain now leads by nine points, 43% to 34%. In the survey conducted over the weekend, Obama led by one point among independents.

    Both candidates have a sturdy grip on their political bases, the survey shows. McCain and Obama each win 88% support from voters in their respective political parties.

    Among men, McCain leads by a 53% to 35% margin, up 15 points from the weekend survey. Among women, Obama leads by a 52% to 39% margin, up 5 points from the weekend survey.

    The survey, half conducted before McCain’s announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign to concentrate on the financial crisis and half conducted after the announcement, shows movement in McCain’s favor after his announcement. Before the announcement – which included about half of the total polling sample – Obama led by one point. But McCain led by 5 points in polling completed after his statement about the suspension of his campaign. Overall, the interactive survey, conducted Sept. 23-25, 2008, included 4,752 likely voters nationwide and carries a margin of error of +/- 1.5 percentage points.

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1562

  475. debbie,

    I hope this isn’t a distraction … but with Palin in charge, I (very pro-abortion) wouldn’t mind looking at ways we could work with the anti-abortion people to really solve that problem. With better contraceptives, abortion could become obsolete. Palin might have the motivation and the drive to MAKE better contraceptives HAPPEN.

    I suspect the current politicians and televangelists of wanting to keep the issue going, to inflame their bases and distract from other things.

  476. I think that no matter how conservative the Supreme Court becomes that they will never completely overturn Roe vs Wade. Just my opinion so I am not concerned with Mccain nominating justices if an opening should arise.

  477. H4T, the Dems and Obama are in bed with Paulson and Bush does not have a clue what is going on. I think it is up to the repubs to shine light on this. How ironic and how disgusting as well. Pelosi, Dodd, Obama have hijacked the Dem brand.

  478. “Paulson and his team have not acted in good faith for this President or the administration for which they serve,” says a House Republican leader who was not present at the White House meeting, but who instead is part of the team hammering out the House GOP alternative. “We keep hearing about how Secretary Paulson is working with Democrats on this or that, yet he never seems to consider working with the party that essentially hired him. Perhaps he’s auditioning for a Democratic administration job. Our proposal didn’t just spring forth fully formed; we’ve been working on this for several days, and Treasury staff has known about it
    *****************************************************
    It was no secret…I saw Pat Buchannan days ago saying GWB has Failed, Paulsen and Bernanke are Failed Advisors, the Dems has Failed…they are protecting Wall Street and themselves…not the country.

    Pat said, Frank and Dodd doesn’t want oversight.

  479. Just to clarify. The 20% profit refers to the profit on the sale of any individual asset. So if the bailout loses it’s ass on 99 assets and makes money on 1 asset, 20% of the profit from that one must go to either the Federal Housing Trust Fund or the Federal Capital Magnet Fund.

    These funds are the source of money for Rezko/Acorn type projects. It’s basically a shakedown of the US taxpayer to build the type of public housing projects that have been demonstrated time and time again to cause problems, not solve them.

    There were similar percentage requirements on any profit Fannie and Freddie made.

  480. short termer,

    i have sent you a message thru admin, please let me know later this evening if you recieved it k? i may have sent it wrong…

  481. turndownobama

    I understand your meaning but my issue is more the empowerment of women so I tend to say pro-choice.
    yes we need better education, and contraceptives to stem the abortion tide
    the amazing thing is (based on research I’ve done) “per capita” abortion occurs more in red states… seems they shoot themselves in the foot without proper education and contraception
    it is very similar to the gay marraige debate…it serves a purpose on igniting the base

  482. I personally think that Chris Dodd’s resignation from the Senate should be a mandatory provision of any bailout bill. He needs to fall on his sword “here”.

  483. The media is not a honest broker so most people have tune out on them…that’s why they can’t understand Palin popularity with the voters.

    Yeah, there are a few female conservative buying into the media smears but they were not on board anyway…they were doing lip service.

    It’s a class issue not an experiece meme because these same people say Obama is ready to lead. Well this crisis has proven them wrong and Wall Street is not going to get the bill that they wanted. Either Wall Street except it and see more banks and business go under or they show some gut themselves and suck it up and do business.

    Wall Street is NOT going to dump this on the taxpayers and they NOT going to have the a blank check.

  484. its not Rove v Wade that I worry about with the Supremes, there are other issues like workers rights, privacy, discrimination and the like that concerns me just as much if not more.

    neither candidate can guarantee the way a judge will vote but will try to get one that leans toward their views when it comes interpreting the constitution.

  485. “per capita” abortion occurs more in red states… seems they shoot themselves in the foot without proper education and contraception

    It’s not because they are red states. It’s because of the racial composition of those states. Abortions and out-of-wedlock births are two times higher than the national average among certain ethnic/racial groups (that lean overwhelmingly Democratic). For all the talk about how they are right on these issues, the Democrats have clearly failed one of their key consitutency groups. 70% of the children born to this constiuency group nationally are born out of wedlock.

  486. birdgirl..i doubt anything will be released to the public until a final version is passed. I suspect though that there will be leaks as to the content to gauge public opinion

  487. hwc

    I don’t disagree, and I never said it was “because” I merely noted based on personal research that abortions occur more in those states.

  488. to be specific..it is per capita that I was refering to…states like New York and California have more abortions overall due primarily to the vast number of people living in those states

  489. debbie:

    Well, if abortion is outlawed in Jim Clyburn’s South Carolina, then I guess what we would have is a classic case of the chickens coming home to roost.

    I don’t give a flying **** what happens to Democratic voters in South Carolina. I’m gonna let Jim Clyburn, Donna Brazille, and Barack Obama worry about that.

  490. hwc, the concern I have about individual states outlawing something like this is it taxes the services of surrounding states.

    no comment on Clyburn..nothing good to say

  491. I don’t know how this will play out for McCain..I liked the move at first, but maybe it was to “dramatic” as now he will be appearing. Also, BO will do fine as long as he has his script…..hopefully, the moderator, will throw him some hardballs, but I doubt it.

  492. gop dumbfucks. glad hillary is working to oust mcconel
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    $56 billion stimulus bill fails in Senate By Andy Sullivan
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Senate on Friday blocked a $56.2 billion economic stimulus package that would have extended unemployment benefits, increased food aid and funded new construction projects to create jobs.

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    The 52-42 vote fell short of the 60 votes needed in the 100-member Senate for Democrats to clear a Republican procedural hurdle and move toward passage of the bill, which backers said would give the ailing U.S. economy a needed boost.

    The House of Representatives plans to consider a slightly different stimulus package as soon as Friday afternoon but chances of any stimulus bill becoming law appear slim as the White House has threatened a veto.

    The bill would have kept in place a ban on development of domestic oil shale deposits that expires next week.

    The Democratic-controlled Congress passed a $168 billion stimulus package in January that relied mostly on tax rebates to spark consumer spending.

    While that measure has been credited with contributing to economic growth, consumers have been hurt by rising food and energy prices, a higher unemployment rate and continued home foreclosures.

    Democrats said the second attempt would help struggling consumers at a time when Congress is considering an unpopular $700 billion Wall Street bailout shortly before the November 4 presidential and congressional elections.

    “What about the honest, hard-working, play-by-the-rule citizens at the bottom of this pyramid left in the ruins after years of mismanagement and outright malpractice by the titans of the financial industry?” said Iowa Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin.

    Republicans said they did not have time to review the spending measures properly and the White House said the increased spending could lead to higher taxes or deficits.

    Some Republicans also objected to a measure that would have kept in place a ban on development of domestic oil shale deposits that expires next week.

    Republicans have pressed for more domestic energy production amid high gas prices but many Democrats and environmental groups say oil-shale development requires too much water in western states with scarce water resources.

    The bill would have extended unemployment benefits by up to 20 weeks and boosted funding for food stamps by 10 percent. It would have helped states pay health-care costs and provided low-interest loans for small businesses.

    It also included spending for a wide range of other measures, from a new Coast Guard icebreaker to a next-generation spacecraft and upgrades to local sewer systems.

    (Additional reporting by Lisa Lambert and Tom Doggett; Editing by Bill Trott)

  493. jbstonesfan

    McCain…there’s a problem, I’m coming to offer help

    NObama …theres a problem, call me if you need me

    I still like the first one.

  494. texan4hillary Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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    So, this bill is different from the bailout bill? Some of these things, I thought, were attached to the bailout bill. So, there are two separate bills?

  495. Zogby’s Interactive poll showed McCain gaining five points on Wednesday, going from a three-point deficit to a two-point lead. (Other polls aren’t one-night samples because they’re conducted over the phone and, so, take longer to field.)
    McCain speaks in commands and sound bites. He abhors nuance as something to cut through. Barack Obama, a law-school professor, loves to explore subtle distinctions and prides himself on keeping his grounding and cool at all times. Without a teleprompter, Obama has a hard time rising above complexity and seems allergic to declarative sentences.

    http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/09/26/debate-morning-line-its-obamas-charisma-vs-mccains-guts/#more-447

  496. sorry if its a repost:
    **********

    By DAVID BROOKS
    Published: September 25, 2008
    I’ve been covering John McCain steadily for a decade. A few years ago, I worked on a book, which I foolishly never completed, on the U.S. Senate with McCain as the central character. So when I step back and think of McCain, even in the heat of this campaign, I still think of him first in the real world of governing, not in the show-business world of the election.

    I think first of the personal qualities. He was an unfailingly candid man. When other politicians described a meeting, they always ended up the heroes of the story. But McCain would always describe the meeting straight, emphasizing his own failings with more vigor than his accomplishments.

    He is, for a politician, a humble man. The most important legacy of his prisoner-of-war days is that he witnessed others behaving more heroically than he did. This experience has given him a basic honesty when appraising himself.

    His mood darkened as the Iraq war deteriorated, but his accomplishments mounted. I don’t think any senator had as impressive a few years as McCain did during this span of time.

    He lobbied relentlessly for a change of strategy in Iraq, holding off the tide that would have had us accept defeat and leave Iraq to its genocide. He negotiated a complicated immigration bill with Ted Kennedy. He helped organize the Gang of 14 and helped save the Senate from polarized Armageddon over judicial nominations.

    He voted against opportunist bills like the pork-laden energy package and the prescription drug plan. He led a crusade against Jack Abramoff and the sleaze-meisters in his own party and exposed corrupt Pentagon contracts.

    I could fill this column with his accomplishments during this period, and not even mention the insights. At a defense conference in Munich, I saw him diagnose and confront Russian hegemony. Week after week, I saw him dissent from G.O.P. colleagues as their party lost its way.

    Some people who cover the campaign seem to have no knowledge of anything but the campaign, but I can’t get these events — which were real and required the constant application of judgment, honor and courage — out of my head.

    Do I wish he was running a different campaign? Yes.

    It’s not that he has changed his political personality that bothers me. I’ve come to accept that in this media-circus environment, you simply cannot run for president as a candid, normal person.

    Nor is it, primarily, the dishonest ads he is running. My friends in the Obama cheering section get huffy about them, while filtering from their consciousness all the dishonest ads Obama has run — the demagogic DHL ad, the insulting computer ad, the cynical Rush Limbaugh ad, the misleading Social Security ad and so on. If one candidate has sunk lower than the other at this point, I’ve lost track.

    No, what disappoints me about the McCain campaign is it has no central argument. I had hoped that he would create a grand narrative explaining how the United States is fundamentally unprepared for the 21st century and how McCain’s worldview is different.

    McCain has not made that sort of all-encompassing argument, so his proposals don’t add up to more than the sum of their parts. Without a groundbreaking argument about why he is different, he’s had to rely on tactical gimmicks to stay afloat. He has no frame to organize his response when financial and other crises pop up.

    He has no overarching argument in part because of his Senate training and the tendency to take issues on one at a time — in part, because of the foolish decision to run a traditional right-left campaign against Obama and, in part, because McCain has never really resolved the contradiction between the Barry Goldwater and Teddy Roosevelt sides of his worldview. One day he’s a small-government Western conservative; the next he’s a Bull Moose progressive. The two don’t add up — as we’ve seen in his uneven reaction to the financial crisis.

    Nonetheless, when people try to tell me that the McCain on the campaign trail is the real McCain and the one who came before was fake, I just say, baloney. I saw him. A half-century of evidence is there.

    If McCain is elected, he will retain his instinct for the hard challenge. With that Greatest Generation style of his, he will run the least partisan administration in recent times. He is not a sophisticated conceptual thinker, but he is a good judge of character. He is not an organized administrator, but he has become a practiced legislative craftsman. He is, above all — and this is completely impossible to convey in the midst of a campaign — a serious man prone to serious things.

    Amid the stupidity of this season, it seemed worth stepping back to recall the fundamentals — about McCain today and Obama on some other day in the near future.

  497. McCain going back to D.C. must have been effective in the polls because the media stories today are just awful.

    Listening to Obama on FoxNews he sounds very down and not his normal arrogant self.

  498. Dick Morris is right I just read a item over at the New Republic for the dems take on this and they are mad and calling McCain act a failure, but that’s the Democratic? Taliban Party spin, not the truth.

    “The whole thing definitely seems ridiculous to me. But here’s the new spin on it that Minority Whip Roy Blunt just gave on CNN (transcribed approximately):

    John McCain came down here and said, “Wait a second, I think the House Republicans are on the side of the taxpayers, and I’m with them.” … They [Democrats] can do this without us. They have the votes. And virtually all of my colleagues can go home to their constituents and explain what was wrong [with the bill] …

    To translate: McCain understood the anti-bailout-bill sentiment outside of Washington and then gave House Republicans the political backup to buck the pressure to compromise. In a vacuum, it’s an appealing populist narrative, and in a vacuum I even think it works — witness the success of the Republicans’ “we understand what the country really wants, unlike you Democrat stuffed suits” posturing on oil drilling this summer. ”
    *****************************************************What it came down to was the Dems knew they had majority and they got Paulsen and Chris Cox to go along with this Bailout crap. Sec. Paulsen offered one plan only, not B or C plan and was in the tank with the Democrats…Where are the true Republicans?

    If McCain hadn’t gone to Wall Street that crappy plan might be law right now with no taxpayer safeguards only give aways. The reason these banks out west are tanking it’s because of the housing market deflating after all that speculation in CA.

  499. I’m listening to FoxNews and it appears some of the Wall Street republican buddies are mad at McCain…they want the blank check, damn the Main Street crowd.

    Interesting isn’t it?

  500. So Paulson is already doing the bidding of who he thinks is his future boss?! Hell with the current one. Read on..
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    Obama might keep Paulson

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said Sunday that if he’s elected, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson would be “involved” in the new administration’s transition – a very unusual move when the White House changes parties.

    Paulson, 62, is the wealthy former chairman and chief executive of the investment bank Goldman Sachs, and is widely respected on Wall Street.

    Obama’s announcement can be expected to reassure the business community, which initially had been worried about Obama’s plans to raise the tax on capital gains. But he has now said he would raise it much less than some had feared.

    Obama has also indicated he might retain Defense Secretary Robert Gates as part of an effort to send a bipartisan signal at the start of his presidency

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13708

  501. I was reading that article posted above by Dick Morris. He says it’s Obama’s charisma versus McCain’s guts. Does anyone find Obama charismatic? Take away your personal feelings and what he did, do you find him charismatic and charming? Maybe I did in that speech he gave in 2004, but that is long gone. He does not attract me in the least, even if I ignore is bumbling when the teleprompter goes on the fritz. The truth has come through, glaringly. Maybe its just me and the average independent doesn’t see it that way. He is not in the least bit charasmatic to me. There was an interesting article posted here the other day, about a pollster (don’t remember her name) who has never been wrong, and she says McCain will win, because people don’t want a friend or someone they like, they want a leader, and polls show people see McCain as a leader, not Obama.

  502. So Paulson is doing the bidding of who he thinks is his future boss?! To Hell with the current boss.. Read on
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    Obama might keep Paulson

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said Sunday that if he’s elected, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson would be “involved” in the new administration’s transition – a very unusual move when the White House changes parties.

    Paulson, 62, is the wealthy former chairman and chief executive of the investment bank Goldman Sachs, and is widely respected on Wall Street.

    Obama’s announcement can be expected to reassure the business community, which initially had been worried about Obama’s plans to raise the tax on capital gains. But he has now said he would raise it much less than some had feared.

    Obama has also indicated he might retain Defense Secretary Robert Gates as part of an effort to send a bipartisan signal at the start of his presidency

    news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13708

  503. T4Hillary,

    I politely disagree with you…that $56 billion spending plan needed to be blocked at this time.

    I’m a fiscal conservative and until we get our house in order I don’t want to see any stimulis package until we see what impact the Bailout will have on Wall Street….period!

    It’s time to tighten our belts or pump more oil to reduce the price. I’ve lived through a recession and depression and they ain’t fun but you do live through them and the Feds need to get on top of this inflation and stop being Wall Street Bitch.

    I would rather have a bill that is done right, then become part of the problem and what the Republicans are proposing are not bad ideas…like speading out the money. Better Congressional oversight and not this blank check Sec. Paulsen proposed.

    I don’t care what or how the Dems and those like Republicans spin this…if the House Republican were not on board the Congress does not have a deal…period.

    McCain was successful and I see happy republicans in the house and sick Dems Leaders like Chris Dodd and no Barney Frank. I don’t care what the DC/NY media says….the BILL SUCKED!

  504. I just talked to the husband on the phone….chit chatting….he is at the hospital, and so checks in with me for news. I signed off by saying “I’ll give you a ring if any more banks crash or anything.” He laughed, sort of.

    I am very glad that we are mostly sitting in cash right now. We both saw this coming, and when the foreclosures started several months ago, we started pulling our funds and parking them in various cash accounts. The financial poobahs kept saying “this is the bottom, we’re fine”, and hubby would shake his head and say, “They ain’t seen the bottom yet. It’s a long way down.”

  505. Lin67 Says:
    September 26th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    “I was reading that article posted above by Dick Morris. He says it’s Obama’s charisma versus McCain’s guts. Does anyone find Obama charismatic? ”
    =====
    only if you’re a “sweetie” he is

  506. debbie Says:

    September 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    jbstonesfan

    McCain…there’s a problem, I’m coming to offer help

    NObama …theres a problem, call me if you need me

    I still like the first one.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    McCain: I’m going into the belly of the beast, I hope I come out alive.

    Obama: I’m gonna sit here, and ask for your help. Please, donate today. I HOPE I can count on your CHANGE.

  507. It looks like the House isn’t as supportive as the Senate…Bill Sherman-D my congressman is blaming the president for this mess because he wanted Paulson bill as is.

    He saying Wall Street and Paulsen are fearmongering to have the bill ready by Monday but he think we need to slow down and get a good bill instead of a very bad bill. Where once it was 95%, now it’s 50% of the Paulsen bill….he think it should be less.

    This is a California Democrat who said he was afraid a very bad bill would get pass now there hope that slowling down the process we will get a good bill. He hoping the jewish holiday will bring a breathing room….he said Wall Street and the Admin is pushing the fear factor to get the bill they want…not want is best for the country.

  508. Carby i’m a little confused, who wanted Paulson bill as is, Bush or Sherman? I’m guessing Bush? anyway, read this. What do you guys think.

    A Paulson-Cantor Plan Is a Win-Win for Taxpayers [Larry Kudlow]

    The single-biggest mistake in the Paulson bank-rescue-plan marketing effort has been the failure to explain clearly how taxpayers are going to recoup $700 billion used to buy toxic assets at auction in order to unfreeze the banking system. In other words, folks don’t understand how taxpayers will be paid back, and may actually make profits, which will enable the new government debt to be erased after the Treasury bank-rescue is completed.

    Here’s the key point: Any loan package bought by the Treasury will be 100 percent taxpayer owned. Period.

    Let’s walk through this hypothetical for a moment. Through a market-driven auction, the Treasury will purchase some dollar amount — say $100 billion — of loans that banks will sell. The Treasury will then buy those loans at the prices that fill the auction, starting with the lowest prices and working up. Now, the Treasury will hold those bonds either to maturity or for a sale in the open market if rising prices in the market make that sale attractive. In other words, suppose the Treasury buys a bond package at 20 cents on the dollar. They hold it for a while, and if market conditions improve, they sell it for 50 cents on the dollar to some buyer (e.g., an investment fund, a private-equity fund, a hedgie). The Treasury will make the sale at the higher price in order to gain a profit for taxpayers.

    In the meantime, as the Treasury holds the loans, the government will get monthly cash-flows coming in on the mortgages, or on any other loans that it owns. So it is win-win for taxpayers. First, taxpayers get the cash flow generated by the assets. (Something like a 10 percent interest rate.) Second, if the loan is sold for profit, the taxpayers will own that profit. And the new law must of course stipulate that all the cash flows and/or profits go for debt-reduction to protect taxpayers.

    I don’t think a lot of folks understand this win-win scenario. Let me repeat: The taxpayers own the bonds the Treasury buys; the taxpayers own the cash flows generated by the bonds; the taxpayers own the profits when the bonds are sold; and the taxpayers benefit when the profits and cash flows are used to pay-down government debt.

    Actually, for taxpayers, it’s a win-win-win-win.

    Think about this. The troubled assets purchased by the Treasury right now are likely to be very under-priced because of the chaotic and frozen market conditions. But over time, through monthly cash-flow payments or through loan sales, taxpayers will get all their money back and in great likelihood a handsome profit.

    I have been in conversation with leading House Republicans all day. And they understand these key points. Unfortunately, this understanding did not materialize in their original meeting with Mr. Paulson a few days ago. But now the actual reality is sinking in.

    Another point: Republican leader Eric Cantor has an excellent idea for a federal bond insurance guarantee for straight mortgage-backed paper, financed by private-sector insurance premiums. That will improve investor confidence in mortgage bonds and will make those bonds highly marketable. Importantly, senior Treasury officials have told me that Mr. Paulson will accept the insurance idea as an option in the final bill, alongside the ability of the Treasury to purchase distressed assets.

    Sources also tell me that other conditions will be necessary to bring the House GOP along. First, the ACORN slush fund must be removed. Second, the so-called union proxy to run a slate of corporate directors is a big problem. Third, all profits from the Treasury rescue mission must be used to reduce the national debt — 100 percent. Fourth, Republican members are opposed to bankruptcy judges setting mortgage terms and interest rates (Sen. Obama also is opposed). Fifth, the so-called government equity ownership of banks is distasteful because it effectively creates a corporate tax increase on banks at a time when they are struggling. And last, the Treasury secretary’s request for $700 billion is regarded as way too high.

    Essentially, House Republican leaders want a slimmer, cleaner Paulson plan supplemented by Mr. Cantor’s mortgage-bond insurance program. I think it’s a good package that would be great news for stock and bond markets that are now ailing badly. It would set the stage for a gradual return to normalcy on the part of bank lenders, including loans to small businesses, consumers, and homeowners. It would be a pro-growth package at a time when the economy desperately needs a prosperity tonic.

  509. Essentially, House Republican leaders want a slimmer, cleaner Paulson plan supplemented by Mr. Cantor’s mortgage-bond insurance program.

    I could swallow that pill. But I’ll tell you, there is no fucking way I would be happy with ANY bailout plan that contained earmarks. NONE, and especially none going to ACORN.

  510. The country is in real trouble and we could have had both Hillary and Bill back at the helm to steady the ship. I will never forgive the DNC for what they did….

  511. Wonder how many democrats are feeling buyers remorse?
    I read elsewhere that there was no provision for ACORN. Any body know if its true?

  512. A Paulson-Cantor Plan Is a Win-Win for Taxpayers [Larry Kudlow]

    KUDLOW IS FOR FREE MARKET AS LONG AS HE AND HIS BUDDIES REAP (RAPE) THE PROFITS

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