Happy Election Day

This Wednesday we will post our long awaited opus regarding What Hillary Supporters Should Do after the election in NOvember. Some of what we suggest will be denounced. Some of what we suggest will be applauded. What matters is that the strategy will be set and the time of longer term action will arrive.

The time for other types of action HAS ALREADY ARRIVED.

It’s time to contact our email lists, make phone calls to friends, call all the fellow Democrats we have known for years, call Democrats we have worked with during the primaries, contact everyone we know and tell them: NObama. NOvember.

Here’s why – it’s Election Day already.

In fact, six weeks out from Election Day, some voters in Kentucky, South Carolina and Virginia already are done.

Nationwide, about a third of the electorate is expected to vote early this year, thanks to expanded early-voting provisions and fewer restrictions on absentee voting, researchers project. In all, more than 30 states allow any registered voter to cast an early ballot, some in person and others by mail.

Across the nation, election officials are reporting high demand for absentee ballots. Ballots already are available in a few states, and they will be ready in about 20 more this week. By the first week of October, absentee voting will have started in all but a handful of states. In most states, all registered voters will be eligible to vote absentee, and a growing number will take advantage.

By the middle of last week, South Carolina had collected 84 ballots from voters who are living overseas or in the military, said Chris Whitmire, spokesman for the state Election Commission. In Louisville, polling stations opened Thursday, with voting restricted to those who will be unable to show up on Election Day. In Virginia, Fairfax County started accepting absentee ballots Friday. [snip]

Oregon is 100 percent vote by mail, and Washington state is getting close. Early voting in Colorado, Nevada, Tennessee and Arizona could top 40 percent or even 50 percent of total votes cast.

The time for action is now. Start contacting as many people as you know. When shopping, tell the grocer NObama. When traveling tell the bus driver, taxi driver, gas station attendant – NObama, NOvember. At the Opera, at the movie house, at the tailor, at the cobbler, at the ranch house, at the community center, at the house of worship, at the coven, at the office, at the playground, to the renter, to the buyer – NObama, NOvember.

Some arguments (we will add more) against Obama can be found at the right hand column on this website.

The McCain campaign released another advertisement today with reasons for NObama, NOvember.

ANNCR: Barack Obama.
Born of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

BARACK OBAMA: In terms of my toughness, look first of all, I come from Chicago.

ANNCR: His economic adviser, William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor’s brother.
His money man, Tony Rezko. Client. Patron. Convicted Felon.
His “political godfather.” Emil Jones. Under ethical cloud.
His governor, Rod Blagojevich. A legacy of federal and state investigations.
With friends like that, Obama is not ready to lead.

Let’s all get to work starting today: NObama, NOvember.

Here’s more information regarding early voting

Voters by the thousands will begin casting ballots for president this week in an early voting process that’s expected to set records this year. Residents of Virginia, Kentucky and Georgia are among the first in the nation eligible to vote in person, as well as by mail. During the next few weeks, at least 34 states and the District of Columbia will allow early in-person voting for Nov. 4 elections. [snip]

It’s all part of the most extensive early voting process in history. The campaigns of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are already focused on getting voters to the polls, even as their general election contest is taking shape — and before any of the debates. [snip]

In Georgia, where voting begins today, Secretary of State Karen Handel has urged voters to cast ballots early and expects about 1 million to do so — 25% of the electorate. “We don’t want voters to have to wait in line on Election Day,” she says.

A couple of counties in Virginia and Kentucky allowed voting late last week. On Friday, 244 people voted in Fairfax County, Va. A day earlier, 96 people kicked off the process in Louisville, despite widespread power outages caused by Hurricane Ike.

Our cousins across the Atlantic discussed the implications of early voting last week:

The expansion of early voting is posing a dilemma for the campaign teams, with decisions having to be made about whether to time adverts and rallies to coincide with the opening of early ballots or whether to delay drives until closer to November 4.

With 30% or more of the electorate predicted to vote early, the Barack Obama and John McCain campaigns are already in overdrive to try to mobilise supporters.[snip]

“People tend to vote on Fridays and Mondays, so you have to time events for that. You have to get the ads out at the right time. For campaigns, it is raising the costs,” he said.

The concertina effect on the campaign is already forcing radical changes in campaign strategy, with signs that Obama is having to abandon his ambitious plan for fight all 50 states and instead concentrate ads and energy in the battlefield states.

The early opening of the ballots in Virginia, a battlefield state that Obama hopes to take from the Republicans, partly explains why the Republican candidate John McCain and his running-mate Sarah Palin held a rally in the state on Wednesday and why a Victory 2008 bus tour, packed with congressmen and McCain’s brother Joe, set off today on a voter registration drive.

Early balloting after Virginia opens in Idaho on September 22, Missouri on September 23 and Iowa, another state that Obama hopes to take from the Republicans, on September 25.

In battlefield states that have so often decided the outcome of recent elections, early balloting opens in Ohio on September 30 and Florida on October 20.

For many of us November 4, 2008 will be the first election day in a long time in which we will not be getting up before sunrise after weeks of exhausting work to get the vote out. Some of us will head to the beach on election day. Others will enjoy a long brunch or a very long lunch followed by a wine soaked dinner.

For us November 4, 2008 will be a day of rest. The time to work is now. Follow the calendar for when voting starts in the various states and communicate with your contacts in the respective states.

Concentrate communications on the swing states. If you have contacts in states like North Dakota, by all means get in touch with them, but be aware that Obama has officially abandoned all hope to win such states. Concentrate on the swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and yes disenfranchised Florida and Michigan.

Readers of this website have strong ties to the big states Hillary won and we should exercise our special abilities and strengths in those states. When Obama abandoned Georgia, he sent his acolytes to North Carolina. Although North Carolina appears to be an Obama pipe dream, let’s contact friends in North Carolina with the NObama message.

When Obama abandoned North Dakota, and closed down his 11 offices (before absentee voting starts this Thursday), Obama sent the incense burners to annoy voters in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Let’s get the message out to our friends and compatriots in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Let’s contact everyone we know.

We have work to do.

Election Day is here.

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352 thoughts on “Happy Election Day

  1. There should be more NO BAMA bumper stickers.

    MCCAIN + PALIN= NO BAMA

    MCCAIN + PALIN = FU MSNBC

    OBAMA=ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER

    NOBAMA IN NOVEMBER

  2. NO way. NO how. NObama – September, October, or NOvember.
    ———————————————–
    Illinois: I like it.

  3. How appropriate with the timing. This will be an election that comes early. In addition, the relatives I was talking to in KY, OH, and IN were making up their minds NOW.

    Thanks for your article, Admin, timely as ever.

  4. If McCain would only endorse Hill’s HOLC plan I believe he would win this thing. W/out it he may be writing his own obit. Do it now, McCain, before Obama.

  5. Great strategic planning, Admin!

    mj,

    we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I think McCain has already come out with much of what is in her plan, but as his own. There are only so many ways to fix this thing. Yes he would show that he embraces both sides by endorsing her plan, but he would equally be opening himself up to criticism that he can’t get the job done himself.

  6. JanH, we are not saying McCain should just wholesale embrace Hill’s entire plan, saying “me too”. Only the HOLC part. The HOLC provision is NOT in McCain’s plan, and it’s a really good idea.

    He could make a point of being bipartisan about that particular issue. Half of Obama’s problem with voters is that he has too much ego to give anyone else credit for one scrap of anything. McCain would look like the bigger man and better leader if he did this.

    It would be good for the problem, PLUS it would be really good politically for McCain, PLUS it would make Bambi look bad.

  7. September 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm, mp Says:

    “NObama….a no no for all seasons!!!!”
    * * * * *
    Good one, mp!

    Thanks, Admin, for good ideas to keep us out of trouble in what is sure to be an unsettling week with the candidates on debate prep.

    Now, Hillfriends, to the Bat-phones!

  8. OkieAtty Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    I have clients here in a few minutes but thought this was a HUGE endorsement of why to vote McCain:

    * * * * *
    HUGE! 😉
    Just don’t waste time looking at any of the comments – OMG, these ‘bot’s are nuts!

  9. rgb44hrc Says: from last thread
    September 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/586pbxqj.asp
    Democrats and Double Standards
    Obama’s not-so-secret weapon: the media.
    by Stephen F. Hayes
    09/29/2008, Volume 014, Issue 03
    ….
    And so while McCain’s every utterance is factchecked and factchecked again in an attempt to shame him from challenging Obama too aggressively, Obama gets a pass.
    =================

    Her’s a simpler example. Obama compared McCain’s staff to an Old Boyz Club. In fact McCain’s has a majority of women, in higher positiosn and better paid, accordign to Senate accounting records written up by CNS, adn in a good column by Deroy Murdock.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35972

    “Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.”

    Obama’s staff: 30 women to 27 men
    McCain’s staff: 26 women to 16 men

    Obama’s lower pay has been defended but no one in MSM seems to have noticed that it is Obama’s staff that looks more like an Old Boyz Club. McCain’s looks more like an Old Ladies’ Club.

    Ie Obama’s outright LIE has not been noted.

  10. ADMIN,

    part of my responsibilities as a member of the unions political league, and member of the labor counsel, is going out and signing people up for early voting. i phone bank and canvas neighborhoods as well, but, this time i’m on my own… 🙁

    ALL my fellow politinistas, are now following the party
    line, so i am on my own. for the first time i might add.
    in the past, i could go to PDF file with a list of WHYS? & WHYNOTS? there were nicely illustrated leaflets that could be downloaded and printed by us at anytime. i know there will be lots of those hand outs being downloaded right now for obama… it is a powerful tool. i used to copy at work or kinkos, and leave them on the train, on rapid transit, on buses, laundry mats, dr’s offices, campuses, restaurants, you get the idea… they can be tucked into a bill or letter and sent with mail. and you could even email them if you wanted…

    anyway, where i work, there are many many new american citizens, from the phillipines and china and mexico, and every election, they come to me, and want to talk about who to vote for, they are very motivated, but they dont trust themselves to know all the facts… i will walk around and look for baggage handlers, cart pushers, restaurant workers, store clerks, wheelchair pushers, and custodians. we sometimes dont pay attention to people who are around us everyday, and that is a mistake, cause these people are a gold mine of new voters…

    anyway, i will do my part, though i can tell you i have been so discouraged by my own party, my own friends. many have said, they will follow hillary’s lead. which is another argument in itself…

    anyway admin, thanks for the article 🙂

  11. Sarah Palin In The Villages In Florida
    September 22, 2008 · No Comments

    The Villages Welcomes Governor Sarah Palin

    They were expecting 10,000 people to show up for a rally event in The Villages in Florida, but 60,000 showed up. And I was one of them! We got there earlier and we were glad we did because the lines were already really long to get through security at 11am.

    I had heard Sarah would be on stage between 3 and 3:30 and someone else said they had heard between 4 and 4:30. Whoever planned this event did a really poor job with time. Summer afternoons in Florida mean one of two things: Torrential downpours or blazing heat. We got blazing heat. People were dropping like flies despite the fact that volunteers were passing out free water. Now Sarah Plain can claim that people faint for her too, it’s not just the Messiah Obama’s thing. Sarah finally arrived at 4:30 and I was close enough to shake her hand, but chose to snap pictures instead.

    Sarah thanked us all for the opportunity of visiting Walt Disney World on Saturday. I had a feeling she was spending that open day at my favorite place on the planet. Her children Willow, Piper and Trig were all with her. There were quite a few Democrats in the crowd with signs that they were for McCain. One of those crossover Democrats is my own partner. Another sign that I really loved said, “Our Lipstick Is Better Than Your Dipstick!”

    The AP reported: “But she was welcomed like a star, with tens of thousands cramming into a plaza and nearby streets in this enormous retirement community about an hour north of Orlando. Some waited more than five hours in 92-degree heat to see her speak for 23 minutes.” I have the sunburn to prove it! And here are those promised pictures of myself:

    I’m the blonde next to my partner

    Sarah Palin gave the typical stump speech which raised cheers and then jeers when she talked about Barack Obama’s plans for the country. She promised smaller government. The early part of the speech was devoted to our recent economic woes. “We need serious reform on Wall Street. We need better regulation. It’s like Senator McCain said just yesterday — we don’t need a dozen federal agencies doing the job badly, we need the best agencies doing the job right,” she said. She continued, “This week when the economic crisis threatened the livelihood of millions of Americans, John McCain took a clear stand and he offered his own recovery plan. Our opponent refused to even take a stand on the position.”

    Here are some more pictures from the event: see link for photos

    freedomswings.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/sarah-palin-in-the-villages-in-florida/

  12. I keep thinking about that AP/Yahoo poll about racism in the election, and

    1) AP = in the tank for Obama
    2) Yahoo = in the tank for Obama

    So, what is the pro-Obama motive here to do this poll? Is it simply to energize the black voter base; I can’t figure it out:

    But here’s the Riverdaughter post: You’re a Racist and You Didn’t Even Know it

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/propaganda-101-youre-a-racist-and-you-didnt-even-know-it/

    How to use propaganda 101: take poll data, manipulate the facts while leaving others out. Allude to memes of racism already out in the collective consciousness. Throw in other unrelated polls and comparisons, and… voila! Obama will lose because white women are racist. For example, take this Politico analysis of the poll numbers of a recent Lifetime poll of women (with some totally unrelated Gallup numbers in the mix, just to confuse readers even more): [snip]

    Well, that makes it sound like white women (aka Hillary deadenders) are racist right? Except they don’t exactly give you the whole picture. That first sentence “That Democratic drop-off with women since 2000″ is completely misleading, because, while the numbers for Democrats are down from 2000, support of the GOP by white women is actually down from 2004, when Bush won white women 55-44. Unmentioned in the article is that this is the same spread as this year’s race. And the last time I checked John Kerry was as white as Bush, so race didn’t play a factor then. In fact one could make the opposite argument that white women are less enthusiasic about the GOP than in 2004 because Obama is black, showing that racism among white women is neglible, and that Obama actually benefits because of his race.

  13. I am so sick of this race baiting. Enough is enough, whites, blacks, hispanics, asian etc, need to come out and say enough is enough. Is this all O has. The reason he is talking race, is the fact he has nothing else to offer. I need to attend an O rally to get up close to him to ask this question.

    Is race not a factor when 99% of AA ‘s is voting for him. Why not talk about that. Oh, but thats ok.
    I wouldn’t feel bad if all whites voted for McCain. The AA’s are voting for O. Two can play this game.

    By the way i am an AA for those of you that care.

  14. This is election has been tainted and soiled. Next election i will vote independent or not at all.
    The Us have the nerve to try and tell other countries how to have an election, when they can’t take care of there own right. These other countries must be laughing their heads off. The US what a JOKE

  15. Palin electrifies massive crowd of supporters

    By AZIA LI FORREST, DAILY SUN

    THE VILLAGES — Before Sunday, Charleen Jameson of Lakeside, Calif., had never been to a political rally, seen a political speaker in person, or even had a strong interest in politics.

    “My husband is a die-hard Republican, so I would always vote Republican,” she said.

    However, that all changed when she came to visit her friend Diane Webber, from the Village of Duval, and was part of the 60,000 that saw Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin of Alaska speak at Lake Sumter Landing Market Square.

    “It was really a shock when I found out she was coming,” Jameson said. “We planned on going to the polo grounds today, but this is the highlight of my trip. This is exciting.”

    It was people like Jameson that Palin, the 11th governor of Alaska, hoped to inspire as she spoke beneath a sign that read, “Florida Victory”, and to a massive crowd waving American flags and wearing pins and stickers with her picture. Standing beside the vice presidential candidate were her children and husband, Todd, who is a commercial fisherman and oil field worker.

    Between applause they chanted “Sarah, Sarah” and “USA, USA”, making her feel more welcome.

    “Florida, with your help we are going to win and shake things up in Washington,” she told the rambunctious crowd.

    Paul Ulrich, from the Village of Bridgeport at Miona Shores, arrived at the square more than six hours before Palin took the stage. He hoped to hear how she planned to fix the economy.

    “I think she’s very charismatic, and I think that it’s time we had a woman in the White House (administration),” he said.

    Wanda Middlebrook came up from Polk County to see Palin. She’s been excited about this moment ever since Palin was announced as potential vice president on Aug. 29.

    “You don’t stand five hours, in the sun, if you really don’t love Sarah Palin,” she said. “I’ve been to Alaska three times, so of course I’ve loved her even before I got to know her.”

    Joanne Myers from the Village of Liberty Park also wanted to see the governor face to face.

    “I just think it’s fascinating that we have her here,” she said. “I want her to bring home that she can do the job. She’s a confident lady, and she’ll do it for us.”

    As Palin walked off the stage, Jameson said she earned her vote.

    “I was really impressed,” she said. “I think she is more qualified than the two other candidates combined. She’s not just for herself, she’s for everyone.”

    Azia Li Forrest is a reporter with the Daily Sun. She can be reached at 753-1119, ext. 9069, or azia.forrest@thevillagesmedia.com.

    http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2008/09/22/news/news02.txt

  16. Considering what is happening with the Palin Phenomenon, I think Hillary would have been embraced by moderate Republicans very well. There is a hunger for changing the status quo with respect to women in politics even from Republicans that is really uplifting. Democrats missed a a very BIG opportunity.

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    September 22nd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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  18. Turndown: you will be happy to know I spoke to a member of the McCain campaign less than an hour ago about the rumor that Biden will step down and they agree with you that it is bullshit.

    John is wise to question the wisdom of putting that much power in the hands of one person. Independent of that however the word on the street is that Paulson is not terribly smart.

    I hope that is a reflection of the frustration of the individual who told me that who has been pressing for serious reform of the financial system rather than an empirical fact.

  19. Next time the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY want to use SEXISM and MYSOGINY as tactic to hurt female candidates and throw us under the bus maybe this poll will convince them differently.

    Poll: Women Not Turned Off Over Palin’s Abortion Views, Split on McCain-Obama

    by Steven Ertelt
    LifeNews.com Editor
    September 22, 2008

    Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — A new poll finds only a handful of women are turned off to voting for John McCain because of his running mate Sarah Palin’s abortion views. The survey also finds women split on the McCain-Barack Obama contest and 23 percent of Hillary Clinton backers supporting McCain.

    The press and political pundits make much of the supposed gender gap in each election, but the new Lifetime Network poll finds the Alaska governor is helping McCain run even with his pro-abortion rival.

    In a dramatic reversal since late July, when the women’s television network conducted its previous poll, McCain and Palin are now virtually tied with Obama and pro-abortion running mate Joe Biden.

    Obama/Biden garnered 47 percent of the women’s vote to McCain/Palin’s 45% in the survey — within the margin of error — and another 7 percent are undecided.

    The poll also looked at women’s views on Governor Palin and found that a majority (52%) of women had a mostly positive view while 29% were mostly negative and 13 percent neutral.

    Of the women who had negative views, 48 percent said it was because of the governor’s position on the issues. Of that 48 percent, just 18 percent pointed to her pro-life position as the main position they opposed.

    That means just 2.5 percent of all women surveyed in the poll indicated they disagree with Palin on the issues and say abortion is the reason why.

    That’s hardly representative of key pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL, who say millions of women will oppose McCain and Palin when they learn the governor is pro-life.

    In Lifetime’s late July poll, Barack Obama handily beat John McCain 52% to 18% with 11% volunteering “neither” to the question of who understands women better. Just six weeks later, and with the addition of Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket, McCain/Palin has dramatically reversed those fortunes, now in a virtual tie with Obama/Biden, 44%-42%.

    A majority of Senator Clinton primary supporters (57%) were upset that Obama did not pick her as his running mate, but most are not holding it against him. Nearly four in ten (38%) said that while they were upset, they will still support Obama.

    Thirty-one percent of Clinton primary supporters said that they were not upset that Senator Clinton was not added to the Democratic ticket. Roughly a third (35%) of Clinton supporters said they’d be less likely to vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket, while nearly one in five (19%) said they’d be more likely to do so.

    Twenty-three percent of Clinton primary voters now say they will pull the lever for McCain versus 18% when asked in July.

    McCain/Palin edged out Obama/Biden by four percentage points, 47% to 43%, on which pair is better ready to lead the country.

    Women also said Governor Palin is not getting a fair treatment in the media.

    Women believe Senator Clinton has been treated more fairly than Governor Palin, with 56% saying coverage of Clinton was fair and 50% saying that coverage of Palin has been fair. Still, 40% maintained that Clinton had been treated unfairly, and 42% said the same about Palin.

    Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway, who is pro-life, and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who supports abortion, combined for the LifeTime poll.

    http://www.lifenews.com/nat4349.html

  20. great find by someone on bitterpoliticz:

    This is posted at the conservative RedState blog:

    Out of sheer curousity I watched the View today. I wanted to see what Mr. Clinton had to say about the financial mess and how it will affect the election. I also wanted to see if his recent history held true and he would completely leave Obama out of the conversation. Well he didn’t disappoint!

    Sticking to his pattern of mentioning how Hillary had the right idea and leaving it at that. The former prez didn’t even mention Obama until the View ladies asked him flat out who is going to win. After an uncomfortable pause Clinton sheepishly answered Obama. Then went on to explain why McCain is a great guy and he really respects him. The audience of course got all Chris Matthews tingly when he said Obama, but that was it. No mention of how Obama will do this or that. No comparison between the agenda of the two candidates. NOTHING!

    Now you would think that as popular as Clinton was as president, he would be considered Obamas most powerful surrogate. That thinking would obviously be wrong. The obviousness of Clinton in interviews where he drops such supportive gems as, “the constitution makes Obama qualified to be president”, are simply brilliant. And by brilliant I mean he is supporting Obama as much as McCain is. Call me crazy but I am a convert and now think President Clinton is awesome.

  21. I wanted to comment on something carbynew posted on the last topic about an article, Mom is positive about Down syndrome boys’ future
    with this excerpt “She became even more hopeful last month, when Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — who delivered a son with Down syndrome last April — vowed to be “a friend and advocate” for families with disabled children.” I am so glad someone brought this up.

    I am a mom of twin 5 year old boys with autism. I can not tell you how much excitement there was the day J.M. announce Sarah Palin as his running mate. I had to pick the boys up from school shortly after and was standing outside with all the other autism moms and the place was buzzing with excitement over what it meant to have a mom of a special needs kid nominated for VP. You would be appalled at how much we have to go through to get not very much for out kids, most insurance companies do not cover autism, and will not take on new kids diagnosed, even for general medical needs. Lots of parents on the line or leaning towards BO switched sides right there. I also belong to huge support groups, both candidates were asked to write a letter for autism speaks about their stand on it, BO played the old we need universal health care line, we are in the military, we have what is very close to universal healthcare, and it has not helped us much. JM put his money where his mouth is. Before he was asked to write this letter he had ran into a mom at one of his town hall meetings who asked alot of questions, he asked her to invite him to their next meeting, so she sent him a packet and invited him, he showed up with what she sent with notes in the margin and some of his own material. They were impressed at his homework and interest. then he went back to the senate, got together with Ted Kennedy and they passed a bill that requires doctors to screen kids for autism early, something that was never done before. Cindy has a PhD in special education. Their appeal to parents with special needs kids is huge, especially Sarah’s because she will be seen as someone who truly understands. You hear talk about soccer moms and the security moms, you don’t hear anyone talk about special needs moms, but with autism being diagnoses 1:150 kids and other issues like downs on the rise because women are waiting longer to have kids, I would have to think we are a significant number, and we talk to each other thanks to the internet.

    There was also a story about a family in OH (I think, or it was PA) with a daughter with downs at a rally and how they sent the secret service to bring the family to them, there were pictures of Sarah holding the little girl with downs. It was sweet. Many of these parents are going to vote on one issue, this one. And what these two could mean for our kids.

  22. Uncharacteristically low turnout for Barack Obama rally in Green Bay, Wisc.

    McCain/Palin drew 4,000 more supporters at same venue a week ago
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    September 22, 2008

    BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Staff Reporter
    GREEN BAY, Wis. — Hoping to shore up support in his suddenly undependable backyard, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama flew here Monday to talk about how he’d handle economic crises as president.

    Recent polls have shown that Wisconsin — once pretty solidly in Obama’s column — is now a statistical dead heat between Obama and Republican John McCain.

    You all know that you hold this election in your hands,” Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat who said he worked on ethics legislation with Obama, told a crowd of about 6,000 cheering Obama fans in the arena next to Lambeau Field. “We just barely won this state for Al Gore in 2000 and we just barely won this state for John Kerry in 2004.”

    The numbers in Wisconsin and Minnesota are getting close enough that the Obama campaign closed its 11 campaign offices in North Dakota and moved the 50 staffers there to these two states.

    Just a week ago, John McCain and his vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin — who can bring out crowds the way Obama can — appeared in this same stadium, Resch Center, to a crowd of 10,000 fans. There were an uncharacteristic amount of empty orange seats for Obama’s rally.

    After a watershed week of collapse on Wall Street, Obama focused his speech here on the excesses of Wall Street CEOs and the failure of Washington politicians — especially McCain — to rein them in.

    “When it comes to regulatory reform, Sen. McCain has fought time and time again against the common-sense rules of the road that could’ve prevented this crisis,” Obama said. “His economic plan was written by Phil Gramm, the architect in the U.S. Senate of the deregulatory steps that helped cause this mess.”

    The audience booed Gramm’s name, as they did McCain’s and Palin’s.

    Obama laid out what he called a series of reforms that the McCain campaign later complained were still short on specifics.

    “When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you will have five days to look online and find out what’s in it before I sign it,” Obama said. “When there are meetings between lobbyists and a government agency, we will put as many as possible online for every American to watch. When there is a tax bill being debated in Congress, you will know the names of the corporations that would benefit and how much money they would get. And we will put every corporate tax break and every pork-barrel project online for every American to see. You will know who asked for them and you can cast your vote accordingly.”

    Obama offered broader guidelines on the Wall Street reforms, saying that if companies were in a position to borrow money from the government, they needed to open their books to the government.

    But the McCain campaign said in an e-mail to reporters, “Three days after John McCain laid out a specific plan to address the crisis on Wall Street, Barack Obama provided no discernable plan for the banking crisis.”

    Obama played to the Green Bay crowd by commiserating with them about Sunday’s losses for the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears.

    “Let’s get this out of the way: I’m sorry about last night but I’ll tell you what, the Bears are 1-2, so I’ll tell you what, we’re having a tougher time.” As the crowd cheered, Obama said, “This is probably the biggest cheer that a Bears fan has ever gotten from cheeseheads.”

    Obama told the crowd he needed them to win.

    “Change has always come from places like Wisconsin,” Obama said to more cheers. “The state where the progressive movement was born; where laws were passed to regulate the railroads and insurance companies, laws that protected consumers and the safety of factory workers. It was a movement rooted in a principle that was known as the Wisconsin Idea — the idea that government works best in the hands of the people, not the special interests, that your voices should speak louder than the whispers of lobbyists.”

    Obama volunteers implored the audience to text in their cell phone numbers and be prepared to work.

    “We need all of you to take off election day to volunteer to get out the vote,” organizer Dan Phillips said. “Volunteer for at least one hour or spend four years regretting that you did not.”

    Plenty of residents of Illinois —- where polls show Obama comfortably ahead — are being encouraged to cross the border and join get-out-the-vote efforts in Wisconsin.

    Obama returns to Chicago for two fund-raising events tonight.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1178184,obamarally092208.article

  23. I also think BC put an end to the rumor of Joe Biden bowing out suddenly due to medical reasons on the view today. If BO offered, they turned it down flat. HeeHee.

  24. I also think BC put an end to the rumor of Joe Biden bowing out suddenly due to medical reasons on the view today. If BO offered, they turned it down flat. HeeHee.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Oh Biden, where are you?

    Has anyone heard where he is campaigning?

  25. Lin67

    My cousin is a down adult and the Obama and DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY angered me with their attacks on Sarah ‘s son Trig. It reminded me of how small minded people are to those who are different.

    Obama just doesn’t connect to anything that he is not in the center of…..includeing Black Folks.

    This sister recognized Obama true spirit early on and nothing he has done has made me change my mind.

    NObama NOvember.

  26. I am getting some very mixed messages on Obama fundraising. On the one hand, I am hearing that he raised 66 million last month with a burn rate of 54 and a net of 12. But then I hear antecdotally that attendance and contributions are down at his events. So where is that 66 million coming from? The internet? From whom on the internet? Are they even legit?

    Coincidentally, I heard Hillarys debt is down to 9 million. A week ago or so Big Media was reporting 25 million. Their lies never stop.

  27. I LOVE BIG DAWG…

    but its hard to see him propping up obama…
    we all know he cant possibly trust and like him.

    OH WELL, BILL CLINTON, -IS- THE MAN………

    i once saw bill clinton at the san francisco airport, he was in the VIP room. according to my friend who works VIP, he wanted to come out and walk around and talk to people. my friend said the secret service wanted him to stay in the room, but he wasnt going for it.

    when i walked up on him, he was walking out of the back and into the rotunda area which is pretty big…
    i will never forget that day. he was immediately surrounded by hundreds of people, but instinctively people made a wide berth around him. everyone was snapping pictures and getting out paper and pencil.
    he walked around the line around him and smiled, he looked people in the eyes, and asked them how they were, he shook their hands and laughed with them. he was genuinely delighted to talk to people and be with them. i have been around many stars in my job, but this was totally different. men were mesmerized, women were weak in the knees. bill cliinton has something inexplicable, something you cant put into words. like some weird aura, maybe its pheremones or something, but it hits you like a ton of bricks. women were saying: ‘oh geez, i’ld do him in a minute’, and guys were saying: ‘wow he’s amazing’…

    anyway, i always loved bill, but when i was in close proximity to him, i knew without a doubt, that this guy, was THE REAL DEAL. with all his faults, he also has incredible love and empathy for his fellow human beings. THAT IS WHAT MADE ME LOVE HILLARY…
    i realized that they are the real POWER COUPLE, because of their heart, and their love…

    oh well… sorry… memories….

  28. If you can walk with crowds
    And keep your virtue
    Or speak with kings
    Nor lose the common touch (Rudyard Kipling)

    That is not Obama. He is a chameleon who changes policy, and his color to conform to the audience–which is why he cannot be trusted.

    Cudos to the blogger yesterday who said Al Jolson was blacker than he is.

  29. wbboei, the 25 includes her personal debts.
    ——————————————–
    oh, so then her personal debt is 16 million. I wish I could help. So many of us are at the legal limit or tapped out.

  30. I’m laughing at how blatantly biased these polls are

    PPP is at again.

    Their now poll just out says Obama is leading 53 to 42 in New Mexico.

    However look at their “random” sample percentages for a laugh.

    Q8 Are you :

    Democrat 52%
    Republican 32%
    Other 15%

    Yeah thats right of course he’d have a commanding lead, it had a 20% Dem Bias. Thats not eveny funny bias, its just blatant now.

  31. CountTheVotes Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    great find by someone on bitterpoliticz:

    This is posted at the conservative RedState blog:
    ….Call me crazy but I am a convert and now think President Clinton is awesome.

    Great! this election is converting all the repubs to fall in love with the Clintons.

  32. moononpluto

    What they don’t tell you about NM is that all of the 32% of the Reps will show up. But the Dems are notorious for not showing up for the election. In fact, I know they are answering the phones, but many are telling me they refuse to vote. They even educate you on how lousey it is to get the Dems to vote here. (It is easy to answer a poll on the phone, but hard to figure out how to vote, and to go there and do it.)

    So, so much for the polls.

  33. PPP is a market pollster not a political pollster. They are just trying to make a name for themselves, so they can sell market products. So, who do you think is paying for the poll? Wonder if it’s a way for Obama to make the averages go in his favor.

  34. I don’t know MJ, all I know, the last 4 polls they done have been prop up polls for Obama and the Dem sample has been ridiculous.

    That one is pure ridiculous, 52% Dem sample, they handed the poll to Obama immediately with that sample.

  35. Trust me, moon. They are a joke. I swear they are the ones who had BO winning PA by 3 in the primary. We all know how that turned out.

  36. http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/kellyanne_conway/2008/09/22/133250.html

    John McCain will win the presidential election, Kellyanne Conway, one of the country’s most respected Republican pollsters, tells Newsmax.

    Even before McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate, Conway was telling clients and select Republican groups and members of Congress that McCain would win.

    In the past, Conway’s predictions have been eerily accurate. In the 2004 presidential race, she won the Washington Post’s Crystal Ball Award. Nine days before the election, she predicted the precise outcome in the popular vote — 51 percent for George Bush and 48 percent for John Kerry.

    Conway is president and CEO of the Polling Co., a firm she founded. But she doesn’t base her predictions on every fluctuation of the polls. Rather, she looks to polls to tell her what qualities voters care about in a candidate. Then she applies her own political instincts to the results.

  37. I wonder if there will be an October Surprise. If it is going to happen, it has to happen early in order to swing the early voters.

  38. wbboei Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    I am getting some very mixed messages on Obama fundraising. On the one hand, I am hearing that he raised 66 million last month with a burn rate of 54 and a net of 12. But then I hear antecdotally that attendance and contributions are down at his events. So where is that 66 million coming from? The internet? From whom on the internet? Are they even legit?
    *******

    wbboei – didn’t someone on this board, I think it was SHV, say that Obama transferred 12 million from his Victory Fund to prop up last months earnings?

  39. wbboei – didn’t someone on this board, I think it was SHV, say that Obama transferred 12 million from his Victory Fund to prop up last months earnings?
    ———————————————
    My favorite courtroom answer: I dont recall. Its like the rykers island aria: I’m innocent. But in this case I really dont recall.

  40. I don’t know MJ, all I know, the last 4 polls they done have been prop up polls for Obama and the Dem sample has been ridiculous.
    ——————————————-
    Push polls for Obama? I’m shocked that he would allow anything unethical to be done in his name.

  41. My gut feeling is that McCain in Ohio might have a larger margin then that.

    If what is true in NM is true elsewhere, there is not Democratic victory here. They say that the Dems have to have a gigantic lead right after their election. It did not happen. His crowds are failing, and the Reps know they have the edge. They are fabulous at turning out the vote. They are notorious for being behind even double digit to the Dems and pulling out a victory in November.

    This is far too close for the Dems, in a year that was suppose to be theirs.

  42. Hillbuzz’s

    It’s Monday, Guess which Democrat is playing the Race Card today: Michael Dukakis

    (excerpt)

    Something is definitely about to break in terms of the campaign — the sustained use of the race card, on a daily basis, by SoetorObama surrogates and supporters is too fishy to not be connected to something looming on the horizon.

  43. Everyone said it, if Obama is not at least 10 ahead by election day, he loses.

    GOP turning out the vote is amazing and they know how to stop voters voting especially in dodgy places and they’ll lots to stop bambi’s troll election workers election day.

  44. I just caught the end of John and Cindy McCain on Rachel Ray today. John was grilling ribs…lol… He’s so down to earth.

    I hope the whole segment is on you tube later. 🙂

  45. JanH Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    I just caught the end of John and Cindy McCain on Rachel Ray today. John was grilling ribs…lol… He’s so down to earth.
    —————————————————————–

    Might you say, “earthy.” LOL.

  46. I never met John but I used to see his dad Admiral McCain. Used to see him at Old Warden Field near Hospital Point at Annapolis. That was the formal parade ground, some distance from Bancroft Hall and the academic areas.

    At that time, if memory serves (and it probably doesnt) he was Commander in Chief of the Mediterranean Fleet, which was called the 6th fleet then. His dad was a great guy always interested in the next generation of naval officers which is the mark of an organizational leader. John’s grandfather was an admiral too so there is a line of leadership in his family that stretches back to the 19th century and foward into the 21st century.

    To paraphrase Lincoln–for people who like that sort of thing that is exactly the sort of thing they would like. So you see Lincoln had a little Yogi Berra and W in him too–comes with the territory.

    I did meet Sam Johnson (R-Tx) and he sponsored a bill I wrote on workplace violence. He was an airforce pilot who was shot down over Hanoi and spent 6 years in the Hanoi Hilton. They had beaten him up badly, and by the time I met him he was very frail, but a wonderful man.

    John on the other hand is energetic and I bet you today even at the age he is at he could whip bambis ass with no problem.

  47. On the current Puma Prowl, here’s soem good information to give the targets:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35972

    “Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.”
    Obama’s staff: 30 women to 27 men
    McCain’s staff: 26 women to 16 men

    Barack Obama: 202-224-2854
    National Organization for Women: call: 202-628-8669

  48. Good news for Big Dawg fans.He will be on Fox with Greta tonight. 10pm EDT.Should be enlightning for all Clinton supporters. I still have high hopes for Hillary to be able to carry on her fight for all Americans and our country.The HUSTLER Is going to to be hit hard from many sources about his friends his advisers and his sources of funds.Soon I hope.

    BY ABM90

  49. ADMIN,

    THESE ARE GREAT N.R.A. AD’S, but there is no link to embed, do you know how to do that admin?

    admin…

    patriotroom.com/?p=2291

  50. neetabug Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    Oh Biden, where are you?
    Has anyone heard where he is campaigning?
    ————————————————————————-

    ask the great patty solis-doyle. isn’t she supposed to be in charge of bambi’s vp affairs?

  51. September 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    wbboei Says:

    “If you can walk with crowds
    And keep your virtue
    Or speak with kings
    Nor lose the common touch (Rudyard Kipling)”
    * * * * *
    Wbboei: Thanks for quoting one of my favorite poems. Seems as applicable today as it must have been in Kipling’s day. Joni Mitchell set it to music in her recent album. Access a download here:

    music.download.com/jonimitchellshine/3600-8978_32-101074973.html
    music.download.com/3612-5_32-0.html

    IF
    Rudyard Kipling

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think-and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings-nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!

  52. September 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
    turndownobama-com Says:

    “Obama’s staff: 30 women to 27 men
    McCain’s staff: 26 women to 16 men”
    * * * * *
    So, why does Bambi need 15 more staff than Mac?

  53. Seems Biden is embellishing a bit far……..

    The Story Behind Biden’s Emergency Helicopter Landing in Afghanistan (Someone is Pulling a Kerry)

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-story-behin.html

    “Ladies and gentlemen, where are we now? Where are we now?” Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., said to the National Guard Association today, talking about the war in Afghanistan.

    “If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” Biden said. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”

    In February 2008, Biden — along with Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. — was on a chopper that made an emergency landing in the mountains of Afghanistan.

    A snowstorm had forced them down.

    No one was injured, and the Associated Press reported at the time that “the senators and their delegation returned to Bagram Air Base in a motor convoy, and left for Turkey.

    “What I care about is: What in God’s name is she going to do — along with John McCain — about the thousands of people who don’t have health care?” Biden said according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Biden said he would ask Palin about “The superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down…John McCain wants to know where Bin Laden and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That’s where Al Qaeda is. That’s where Bin Laden is. It’s not in the country of Iraq.”

  54. oh wait, cut post:
    *******

    “12
    if obama is the nominee . i will vote for Mac…

    [Reply]

    NENA on May 11th, 2008
    13
    Mac Mac Mac Mac is a Mac
    obama is PC… Mac 08

  55. how the dems screwed up in 05 giving us our crisis?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
    ———————————————-
    Excellent. I did not have the proof in hand when I made the statement the other day that the dems were in pare delicto in this. All I had was the strong warnings by Hillary in particular but others as well including McCain and the corresponding inaction of not only bush, but pelosi and reid as well. This article pinpoints what I strongly suspected that the responsibility for this catastrophe is bi-partisan.

    This should stop Pelosi dead in her tracks from putting all the responsibilty on Bush as she did in the beginning. Furthermore, it should be an excellent impetus for bi-partisan efforts to find an enduring and effective solution to what is now clearly a bipartisan abdication of key responsibility to the nation. Finally, it makes Obama’s failure to propose a timely solution and wait until “he becomes president” to deal with it a similar abdication and failure of leadership in a crisis situation.

    How many warning bells and whistles must be sounded about this guy before it becomes clear to everyone that he is the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?

  56. neetabug Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    Oh Biden, where are you?
    Has anyone heard where he is campaigning?

    ———————————————–

    Biden is in a field somewhere in Deep darkest Utah talking to 10 people, a cow, 2 goats, some fieldmice and a lamp post, they figured he’d do less damage in that environment.

  57. anyone have any details on friday’s debate? what gems of today’s msm do we have to look forward to hosting the event?

  58. h t t p : / / latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/bill-clintons-w.html

    Bill Clinton’s words of wisdom (likely to be ignored)

    Bill Clinton wrapped up a lengthy stint on the couch chatting with the ladies of ABC’s “The View” today by offering a thought that befits his continuing role of elder statesman (now that his hopes of segueing from ex-president to first laddie have been waylaid, at least temporarily).

    As a prelude to the comment that caught our attention, Clinton repeated his oft-stated opinion that Barack Obama will win November’s election, delivering his prediction with a level of certainty somewhere between the confident assertion he made while standing next to the Democratic nominee 11 days ago and the much more guarded words he provided in a CNBC interview last week.

    Clinton then gave a shout-out to Obama and his Republican rival, John McCain, saying, “I genuinely like both. I genuinely admire both.”

    And that set up a remark about political attitudes which struck us as definitely worth spotlighting. Clinton said voters “Make a terrible mistake, believing that we have to find something wrong with the people we can’t vote for.”

    As this epic campaign draws to a close, the passions are high and the mistrust between both sides’ partisans seemingly insurmountable. But Clinton’s perspective deserves contemplating (though The Ticket won’t hold its collective breath waiting for many to heed it).

    — Don Frederick

  59. So, why does Bambi need 15 more staff than Mac?
    ———————————————–
    To polish his crown, to dust off his cape, to brasso his excalibre, to operate his golden and jewel bestudded coach, to throw down their own capes in mud puddles in his path, to hum choruses of how great thou art, and to manage all other aspects of this grim brothers fairy tale.

  60. totally off subject. if there are any opera fans out there, the met is live streaming tonights opening night gala showcasing the beautiful renee fleming. for opera nuts, it doesn’t get any better.

  61. # basil9 Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    CTV,

    What do you mean?

    “Something is definitely about to break in terms of the campaign”
    ****

    Basil, i was just referring to what Hillbuzz is saying – they are keeping track of Obama’s surrogates playing the race card almost daily, and their theory that it’s pre-empting something about to come down the pipeline.

  62. jan,

    Cindy is such a great asset to JM. She always looks relaxed, gorgeous, friendly and supportive. that coral is terrific on her and they make such a cute pair.

  63. Biden is in a field somewhere in Deep darkest Utah talking to 10 people, a cow, 2 goats, some fieldmice and a lamp post, they figured he’d do less damage in that environment.
    ———————————————
    touche neetabug: there is an old saying in Utah that when Biden is in town now person, cow or field mouse is safe, and lamp posts can provide something to lean against when one is laboring under the influence of demon rum.

    I am kidding of course. I am sure he is his usual sane sober and patriotic self. And with only 14 invitees to regale (including the lamp post) he will have a fine opportunity to spend plenty of quality time with each.

  64. UNH poll: McCain leads Obama by 2By Brian Lawson

    Category: PresidentTags: WMUR, UNH Poll, Sarah Palin, John McCain, Joe Biden, Granite State Poll, Barack Obama, Andy Smith
    A new poll shows John McCain leading Barack Obama by two percentage points in the Granite State, well within the poll’s margin-of-error.

    In the WMUR Granite State Poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire and sponsored by WMUR, 47 percent of likely voters say they will vote for McCain, 45 percent say Obama and 7 percent are undecided. However when respondents were asked, “Thinking about the presidential election in November, would you vote for Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin…Democrats Barack Obama and Joe Biden … someone else … or haven’t you decided yet?” the number of undecided increased to 20 percent.

    “The race in New Hampshire is very close, but about 1 in 4 voters are not firm in supporting either candidate,” said Andrew Smith, Director of the UNH Survey Center, in a press release. “New Hampshire is definitely a state that is up for grabs and will remain so until election day.”

    The poll also found that Gov. Sarah Palin has a favorable rating of 48 percent and U.S. Sen. Joe Biden is viewed favorably by 45 percent of voters. “Among Republicans, Palin’s net favorability rating is +78% while Biden’s is +61% among Democrats,” the poll also finds.

    The economy is viewed as the top issue for Granite Staters followed by terrorism, Iraq, healthcare and gas prices.

    http://www.politickernh.com/brianlawson/3741/unh-poll-mccain-leads-obama-2

  65. ctv,

    Oh. i get it. I’ve been thinking there’s something weird about the constant use of the race card, too. i mean, it isn’t gonna help Bo get anymore votes so it seems either he WANTS to lose the GE or he thinks he’s gonna lose it and is creating the defeat storyline now?

    I dunno.

    i agree it doesn’t make much sense.

  66. Is Obama Another Dukakis?Why is Obama so vapid, hesitant, and gutless?

    By Christopher Hitchens
    —————————————–
    with Hitchens it was only a matter of time. The short answer chris is because he is what he is.

  67. basil – someone saw this on the New Republic comments:

    From Obama’s speech “Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.”

    ********

    Seems that BO is framing the racism talking points around Rev. Wright again – I wonder if that’s what they’re trying to pre-empt that the Republicans may bring out the Wright tapes again – or maybe even more of Wright tapes we’ve never seen. Hmmmm….

  68. Why do I get the feeling that the private polls show Obama doing worst then what the media is reporting?

    Christopher Hitchens is another Dem shouting the alarm that “Obama can’t close the deal.”

  69. Basil, i was just referring to what Hillbuzz is saying – they are keeping track of Obama’s surrogates playing the race card almost daily, and their theory that it’s pre-empting something about to come down the pipeline.
    ———————————————
    Pre empting in the sense of preventing it from being introduced or slowing it down? Makes me wonder again about this birth certificate business.

  70. Why do I get the feeling that the private polls show Obama doing worst then what the media is reporting?
    ——————————————–
    Because history has shown that is typically what happens with him.

  71. Here’s the hillbuzz article about the race card. i’m reading it now.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/well-its-monday-lets-see-which-democrat-is-playing-the-race-card-today-oh-its-michael-dukakis/

  72. McCain Steps Up Attacks on Obama
    By Elisabeth Bumiller

    MEDIA, Pa. — Senator John McCain intensified his political attacks against Senator Barack Obama late today as he charged that his Democratic rival was frozen in the face of the financial turmoil gripping the country.

    “The truth is, we don’t have time to wait for Senator Obama to recover from his paralysis in the face of this crisis,’’ Mr. McCain told a roaring crowd at a rally outside the flag-draped Delaware County Courthouse here. Mr. McCain added, shouting, that “one week after this crisis began, Senator Obama has still not offered a plan of any kind’’ and that “Senator Obama has been M.I.A., my friends. That means missing in action.’’

    Mr. McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, was reacting to what had been billed as a major speech by Mr. Obama on Monday afternoon in Green Bay, Wisc. Mr. Obama, who has said that he does not want his specific preferences to politicize the ongoing Congressional and White House negotiations over a bailout for the financial markets, did not offer any significant new proposals for the plan, although he urged both parties to reach an agreement quickly.

    Mr. McCain appeared with his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, before a crowd of thousands that had been told by the local Republican party to wear red to the rally. Most did — including Ms. Palin, who had on a short red leather jacket.

    She stuck to her standard stump speech, then split off from Mr. McCain for meetings with former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and the presidents of Afghanistan and Colombia at the United Nations on Tuesday. Mr. McCain headed for Ohio and a factory tour on Tuesday.

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/mccain

  73. “At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.” Oh…no kidding, Obama.

  74. from hillbuzz;

    I don’t know about this . . .

    ‘So, our guess is McCain has some devastating new ads on the way, and to mitigate their damage SoetorObama’s surrogates hope to play the race card several times a day, every day, to keep people from thinking critically about any information that’s coming. Just dismiss all of it as racism. The fact SoetorObama has no accomplishments to his name: racism. The fact SoetorObama associates with people who hate America and have dedicated their careers to division, derision, and destructive self-interest: racism. The fact SoetorObama doesn’t account for any of his time spent in Columbia or at Harvard, where there are HUGE gaps in his two autobiographies: racism.

  75. Ice hockey team invites Republican VP pick Palin to join fold
    21 minutes ago

    afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ikmEqMNdzB6vKeoSNe45z7N4_2Tw

  76. Bill Clinton says Dems shouldn’t attack Palin
    Posted: 07:36 PM ET
    Alexander Mooney

    Bill Clinton said Dems shouldn’t attack Palin.

    (CNN) — Bill Clinton said Monday the Democratic ticket should steer clear of launching personal attacks on Sarah Palin over her relatively thin resume, and instead acknowledge she was a “good choice” for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.

    “Why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don’t we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?” said Clinton, who faced repeated charges during the primary season he was overly negative toward Obama on the campaign trail.

    Clinton’s comments appear to echo advice Karl Rove gave to Barack Obama in his regular Wall Street Journal column last week, when the former Bush strategist noted attacking the VP candidate has rarely proven to be an effective strategy.

    In one of the former president’s few extended comments to date on Palin’s surprise VP candidacy, Clinton also told reporters in New York Monday he knows why the Alaska governor is attracting massive crowds on the campaign trail.

    “I come from Arkansas, I get why she’s hot out there,” Clinton told reporters in New York, according to the Associated Press. “Why she’s doing well.”

    “People look at her, and they say, ‘All those kids. Something that happens in everybody’s family I’m glad she loves her daughter and she’s not ashamed of her. Glad that girl’s going around with her boyfriend. Glad they’re going to get married,'” he said.

    Referencing Palin’s 5-month old child who has Down Syndrome, Clinton also said voters will think, “I like that little Down syndrome kid — one of them lives down the street, they’re wonderful children.”

    Earlier Monday, Clinton suggested his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, would have been a better political choice for the Democratic VP spot than Joe Biden.

    “She would have been the best politically, at least in the short run, because of her enormous support of the country,“ he said on the daytime talk show The View.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/22/clinton-says-dems-shouldnt-attack-palin/

  77. Bill Clinton says Dems shouldn’t attack Palin
    Posted: 07:36 PM ET
    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

    Bill Clinton said Dems shouldn’t attack Palin.

    (CNN) — Bill Clinton said Monday the Democratic ticket should steer clear of launching personal attacks on Sarah Palin over her relatively thin resume, and instead acknowledge she was a “good choice” for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.

    “Why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don’t we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?” said Clinton, who faced repeated charges during the primary season he was overly negative toward Obama on the campaign trail.

    Clinton’s comments appear to echo advice Karl Rove gave to Barack Obama in his regular Wall Street Journal column last week, when the former Bush strategist noted attacking the VP candidate has rarely proven to be an effective strategy.

    In one of the former president’s few extended comments to date on Palin’s surprise VP candidacy, Clinton also told reporters in New York Monday he knows why the Alaska governor is attracting massive crowds on the campaign trail.

    “I come from Arkansas, I get why she’s hot out there,” Clinton told reporters in New York, according to the Associated Press. “Why she’s doing well.”

    “People look at her, and they say, ‘All those kids. Something that happens in everybody’s family I’m glad she loves her daughter and she’s not ashamed of her. Glad that girl’s going around with her boyfriend. Glad they’re going to get married,'” he said.

    Referencing Palin’s 5-month old child who has Down Syndrome, Clinton also said voters will think, “I like that little Down syndrome kid — one of them lives down the street, they’re wonderful children.”

    Earlier Monday, Clinton suggested his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, would have been a better political choice for the Democratic VP spot than Joe Biden.

    “She would have been the best politically, at least in the short run, because of her enormous support of the country,“ he said on the daytime talk show The View.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/22/clinton-says-dems-shouldnt-attack-palin/

  78. OTOH,

    O’Reilly’s guests predicting BO could lose coz of racism,
    Linda Chavez and that annoying young social scientist who says if BO isn’t up by 8+ he could be in trouble.

  79. What Woud You Ask Sarah Palin?
    Posted by Katie Couric

    Right now I’m preparing to interview Gov. Sarah Palin, and I’m really excited about this chance to sit down with a woman who has stirred things up in the third act of a very eventful election year.

    Palin elicits some strong responses from women all across the political spectrum. Her reliability factor, or that “she feels my pain” quotient, was through the roof after the Republican convention. It hovered at 60 percent in a CBS News poll, higher than any of the three men in the race. But women don’t necessarily share her views on social issues.

    While 67 percent of women agree with her that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools, just 17 percent share her view on abortion, that it should only be legal in cases where the mother’s life is at risk. The majority of women think there should be exceptions that allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.

    Palin has been topic A for all of my friends, and I’m sure she is for you, as well. Would a Palin vice presidency be good for women? Is she experienced enough to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? Are her views too right of center? Will women who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton now back a McCain-Palin ticket? To many Democrats, that seems unlikely given how little the two women have in common politically. But some women were impressed by Hillary’s grit and determination and Sarah Palin’s tough talk on the stump may be striking a chord with them as well.

    That said, a new poll from “Lifetime” found that neither Obama nor McCain have solidified a majority of women voters, and about 7 percent remain undecided. These women will be key to a November victory.

    So all of this is a long way of telling you some of the things in my head right now as I am getting ready for the interview. Friends come up to me wondering if I’ll ask about the rumors online, all the gossipy stuff that seems to sell magazines and mean so little in terms of Palin’s preparedness for the job.

    This election is too important, and we have only a few precious weeks left to get to know who these candidates really are. With 7 percent of women undecided, I want to serve the sisterhood (and the brotherhood, too, btw) by helping all of us make informed choices.

    When I interview Gov. Palin, you won’t hear “gotcha” questions about personal issues. You will hear a broad range of policy questions on topics both foreign and domestic. I hope you’ll walk away with a better sense of who this woman is politically, what she believes, and where she sees our country heading if Sen. McCain wins the election.

    So many people are focused on this election. I’m a little concerned that I’m dreaming about it. I think I need to get a hobby. But this is a very critical time for all of us and for the entire country. I’d love to hear your thoughts … I won’t be able to get to everything, but believe me, I’ll try!

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/22/couricandco/entry4470123.shtml

  80. basil,

    I have no doubt that there is a tiny percentage out there who might not vote because of race. There is also a tiny percentage out there who might not vote because of gender. And another percentage who will vote for party. I also think that the majority will vote based on issues and who they believe will be the better leader.

    I wish O’Reilly and others would address the whole shebang and not just the race garbage. He is playing right into Obama’s hands.

  81. And Bo on some show responding to the poll that says 33% of white dems won’t vote for him coz they’re racist and he piously saying, in effect, they’re only human, i forgive them, i understand them, such progress has been made –

    can’t remember his words (there are always so many of them) but that’s the impression i came away with. Another set-up moment for BO to showcase his messianism?

  82. jan h,

    i seriously doubt that any discussion of racism at this point will do anything except alienate even more voters from pulling the lever for BO.

  83. Maybe someone should ask the hypocrite if he’ll forgive all the AA’s who won’t vote for a white man. I believe the percentage is much higher than 33%!

    Grrr…this is getting so ridiculous.

  84. hmmmmmm,,,,,

    That 700 billion price tag for bailing out wall street is about what BO wants for his aid to Africa package.

  85. jan h,

    i was seriously paraphrasing BO’s responses but they sounded so friggin pious and it’s weird that he was asked about the poll . . .

    wouldn’t put it past him to have orchestrated it just so he could cry on tv about what a noble victim he is.

  86. It just seems soooooooooooo convenient that the poll on race came out today. Poor Obama back to manipulating the news day.

  87. The problem with Obama is the more he harps on racism, the less votes he’ll get….even from Blacks.

    Obama comes off whiny and weak and it doesn’t help his campaign at all, to tell people he knows how they’re going to vote for McCain.

    It’s very arrogant and it doesn’t help his cause at all…Obama started with calling Bill and Hillary racists to win SC and once he did that, he lost all credibility for those who had valid concerns and are not racists.

  88. Just got an email from “Donna Brazile ” … I cant stand it, I guess now they’re using Hill’s mailing lists. Anyone else get annoyed at this??? I just had to respond NOBAMA …

  89. I just got an email from Hillary via HillPac and feel sick.

    She and 3 folks from this board and a few close friends are the only people who had the addy and my real name. It got used a lot from July 2007 thru July this year by her campaign.

    She gave it to the group who want us to go door to door for BO, and is supposedly from her.

    I feel like crying. Am beyond angry…this was a list that was promised to never go to the DNC or anyone else’s campaign.

  90. Ethan Winner Responds: Claims He Produced Video
    Ethan Winner responds. Written like a VP in a public relations firm that specializes in crisis management and grassroots organization. I’ll post the whole thing below.

    He produced the video? He paid for the voice-over narration which he found through a talent agency? The voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign?

    Uh, yeah, right.

    He then goes on to sidestep the question of the lie he puts forth in the video: that Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party — which she wasn’t. That is empirical fact.

    Instead, in his carefully crafted explanation of the video, he claims she once attended the party’s convention and that her husband was a member. But that’s not what the video claims. The video claims she was a member. That is a lie.

    I take it back, this sounds more like the company lawyer, Justyn Winner, crafted the response. You don’t defend the lie, instead you talk about everything but the lie. It might work to confuse juries Justyn, but come on dude!

    Do I find his response hard to believe. Yes I do. I would especially note the carefully crafted future tense usage for when he will pay the voice over artist.

    It’s almost …. Clintonesque.

    So, he produces the video. He pays for the video production — out of his own pocket. He then posts it to YouTube using multiple phony identities.

    Then he gets his friends at one of the largest PR firms in the world to post it on the internet, to suggest to others that they pass it on, and spend company time defending the outright lies in the video — all for free?

    And the multimillionaire who is President of the firm also spends his free time defending the lies on his “homemade” — yet professionally voiced over — video?

    Hey Ethan, with that business savvy no wonder you were forced to rent out the family yacht! Maybe it’s time to also get rid of those courtside seats.
    continue……

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194180.php

  91. I just got an email from Hillary via HillPac and feel sick.

    She and 3 folks from this board and a few close friends are the only people who had the addy and my real name. It got used a lot from July 2007 thru July this year by her campaign.

    She gave it to the group who want us to go door to door for BO, and the email is supposedly from her.

    I feel like crying. Am beyond angry…this was a list that was promised to never go to the DNC or anyone else’s campaign.

  92. Re: the ceaseless racism accusations, because “the polls prove it” – baloney.

    The polls could show Obama losing 50% of the white vote, and that STILL would be no proof whatsoever of racism.

    Do these idiots stop to consider that he is bleeding white support because he is a BAD candidate, and while whites feel free to turn away when he doesn’t measure up on closer examination, many blacks feel obligated to continue to support him?

    It’s not that his blackness is turning whites away, it’s that for them it is not a compelling reason to STAY.

  93. Emjay — I got the same emails. They must have Hill’s list, besides this site the only other political one to have my email address is HillaryClinton.com . I cant believe it myself.

  94. The race card may have worked with Hillary and Bill, this time it is not going to work. If this is all he has he should lose BIG TIME. This gets boring after a time. There are a few who will be voting because of race. When i worked on the Hillary campaign phone banking, this one man told me he would never vote for a black man. I told him to have a good day. I was angry, only because this guy would not vote for any black regardless if he was capable of doing the job. We do have a few that think this way. The majority of the people are not racists, look at the polls. I would say by the polls he is getting 99% of the AA votes? So who is racist? Some of my friends have no idea what is going on. Some don’t know what each candidate stands for, all they know is he is black. I just shake my head.

  95. WTF is going on in Obama’s campaign, Biden just dissed and dropped Obama’s campaign right in the mega shit

    Biden says mocking McCain was “terrible”

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5idAu75NA23JLRYgG20wf4pAowpGAD93C40H80

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Barack Obama’s running mate says a campaign ad that mocked Republican presidential candidate John McCain as an out-of-touch, out-of-date computer illiterate was “terrible” and would not have been done had he known about it.

    Obama, McCain’s Democratic rival, launched the ad earlier this month, part of an aggressive push to slow McCain’s rise in the polls after he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate. It included unflattering footage of Sen. McCain at a hearing in the early ’80s, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik’s Cube.

    “He admits he still doesn’t know how to use a computer, can’t send an e-mail, still doesn’t understand the economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class,” the ad says.

    Asked about the negative tone of the campaign, and this ad in particular, during an interview broadcast Monday by the “CBS Evening News,” Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, said he disapproved of it.

    “I thought that was terrible, by the way,” Biden said.

    Asked why it was done, he said: “I didn’t know we did it and if I had anything to do with it, we’d have never done it.”

  96. This is an exact quote fron BHO in his keynote address at the 2004 dem convention.

    “There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America — there is the United States of America.”

    My questions to BHO…when did you change your mind? when did you decide that race baiting was a fair campaign tactic? why is it important that you don’t look like the presidents on our dollar bills, (oh by the way, neither do I) why is it important that you have a funny name, why do all your supporters bring up a subject that you said didn’t exist?

  97. Cue the new ad, Obama calls Sen McCain, illiterate and out of touch, Sen Obama’s VP says that was terrible and he didnt approve.

    Seriously thats one big motherfuckup.

  98. moon: I think, Biden has a lot of respect for McCain, and is aware of the reasons, why McCain doesn’t use e-mail.

  99. Something really weird is going on here. You don’t find a vp candidate apologizing for an ad. Bill Clinton practically endorsed McCain today. It’s almost as if there’s a brewing coup in the party against…Barak Obama. Can that happen? Sounds like they are trying to take Obama down from the inside?

  100. Srill Birdgal, this is major, he basically dropped his whole campaign in the shit. Somethings not right here with Biden, i really don’t think he’s happy with any of this at all,sounds like he’d rather be in the senate.

  101. U. of Massachusetts Nips Proposal to Award Credit for Partisan Campaigning

    The University of Massachusetts at Amherst quickly scuttled today a chaplain’s suggestion that students could earn academic credit by campaigning for Barack Obama. According to an Associated Press report, Chaplain Kent Higgins sent an e-mail message to students last week urging them to “activate” themselves in this fall’s campaign, saying an unnamed “sponsor” in the history department would offer a two-credit independent study to those who would canvass or volunteer for Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee.

    The university disavowed that program today, saying officials had envisioned that the students would be engaged in nonpartisan work, such as get-out-the vote campaigns. But officials changed their minds after seeing a portion of Mr. Higgins’s e-mail message, a spokesman, Ed Blaguszewski, told the AP. “The history department chair feels that what they were told was misleading,” Mr. Blaguszewski said, “and then when the details of this emerged through the correspondence, they said, ‘Hey, this is not appropriate and it’s not going to happen.’”

    The department’s chairwoman, Audrey Alstadt, told the news agency that the department did not “engage in or sponsor partisan political activity,” adding: “We certainly do not give academic credit for participation in partisan politics.”

    Mr. Higgins said he had never intended for the program to be limited to supporters of Mr. Obama. Despite the opinions expressed in his e-mail message, he said, he would also have been open to students who wanted to canvass for the Republican nominee, John McCain. —Charles Huckabee

    chronicle.com/news/article/5197/u-of-massachusetts-nips-proposal-to-award-credit-for-partisan-campaigning

  102. moon, I really don’t know what Biden was thinking. He never respected BO to begin with. I think he was caught up wanting to be VP, thinking he would act as Obama’s Cheney, but he’s getting the idea that’s not the way it’s going to be, and since he doesn’t actually really like BO, it’s coming out. I mean, I don’t this is on purpose, but Biden never has been able to hide his thoughts very well.

  103. Katie Couric actually asked Biden about Obama approving the message after Biden said he didn’t know anything about the ad before it was aired.

    Sounds like Biden is not in the loop, seems him and Obama are not talking at all.

  104. Moon: Why did Biden even accept VP, if he wanted to be in the Senate? I have to agree, it is a strange thing to say, but this entire campaign has been weird.

  105. I think I know whats happening, Obama does not want anyone threatening his position, he does not want a VP, he wants to be running the pony and trap show all alone, i reckon Biden has been cut out and relegated.

    There is something strange going on, something very weird but its almost as if Biden is on the outside looking in surplus to requirements.

  106. He probably did want to VP, and thought he could swallow Obama, but he envisioned playing the role of Dick Cheney. Now that he’s seeing, he is foreign policy window dressing, he’s probably not so happy. Remember, Biden is known for spouting off.

  107. moon: “Sounds like Biden is not in the loop, seems him and Obama are not talking at all.”

    Sounds familiar for many VP’s, doesn’t it?

  108. Biden is known as a loose cannon, and he respects McCain immensely. I don’t think there’s anything more here than Joe simply being Joe. Obama knew that going in and picked him anyway.

  109. At this rate, the debate between Biden and Palin, Biden is going to gaffe on an epic scale, i can see it, his hearts not in this and may well use it to blow off steam.

  110. I just saw on a few blogs that Fox Five DC has been teasing for the last 30 minutes, that Biden is out and Hillary is in. I can’t believe that sorry.

    Whatevers going on, somethings up, its all very weird

  111. Hi, Emjay, Birgal and Albenda: I also got the new email from Hillpac, “Hillary sent me.” Nothing from Brazilla – whew!

  112. Good on ya Mate…that’s all I have to to biden!!! let us have more of these “i did not know” moments about the campaign…

    I will RESPECT biden for bringing down BO!!!!!

  113. Hi Illinois. I didn’t receive anything from Brazilla. I successfully unsubscribed from the DNC, or ONC.

    Wouldn’t it be political suicide for BO, to drop Biden at this point in time? It doesn’t make any sense.

  114. Yes, for christmas sake, Biden is on the ticket through the election. Hell, isn’t this post about how voting has already started? It’s too late for that. It was too late the day Obama chose him. It’s election suicide to replace your VP.

  115. Well hillary:

    I sent you a message:

    “Ma’am”

    I OWN MY VOTE…with all due respect.

    and I am volunteering for McCain!!!!

    Love you Hillary but in this issue I use my own judgement…and I have volunteered for you in 5 states!!!

  116. on the other hand, it seems really wierd that Bo and Biden aren’t appearing very much together at events.

    I think Biden answered honorably. He was put on the spot. How could he say that he was okay with an ad that made fun of McCain’s injuries?

  117. H4T

    My addy with my real name was never on any of the campaign files…my real name was only on a personal list, and on the money list of course. We were told that those entries would never be given out or sold or bartered to any other candidate or organization. The HillPac fund has always had Emjay as my name and I never gave money or time thru the Pac fund.

    It’s the laxity and sense of giving up that is wounding.

  118. Correction: I did get that email from Brazile. I guess Hillary must have shared her lists or (hopefully) sent out an email on the DSCC’s behalf. I unsubscribed from the DSCC list.

  119. It makes Biden look like the bigger man and Obama look like a thug who can never admit he made a mistake. He one-upped Obama and in doing so made himself look more like a leader.

  120. For Immediate Release
    Friday, September 19, 2008 Contact: Press Office
    703-650-5550

    ARLINGTON, VA — The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced the endorsement of Miguel D. Lausell, Senior Political Advisor to Hillary Clinton, and Clinton Delegate-at-Large Luchy Secaira.

    “Although I supported Hillary during the primaries, I now support John McCain and Governor Palin because I am putting my country first,” said Secaira, former Hillary Clinton Florida Delegate-at-Large. “They have the experience and judgment to lead America through these difficult times, and I trust them to work with Democrats to do the right thing for our country.”

    There’s more in the release…

  121. Illinois Underground

    You should have replied back to Brazille and said, I AM ONE OF THE ONES YOU SAID YOU DIDN’T NEED MY VOTE. MY MONEY, TIME . AND VOTE WILL BE GOING TO JOHN MCCAIN.

  122. Linda Chavez and that annoying young social scientist who says if BO isn’t up by 8+ he could be in trouble.
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    very scientific

  123. Guys,

    I think the way these polls work is:

    Call as many numbers as you have time for.
    Ask each person if they’re Dem or Rep.
    Ask your questions. Note D and R by answers.
    Figure what % of D’s are for each question and what % of R’s are for each question.
    Look up the totals of how many D’s and R’s there are in the whole area.
    Apply the percents you got from the D’s you called, to the total D’s in the area.

    Like, suppose 90% of the people you call say they are Dems. You know that the area has about 50/50 D and R. So you adjust the figures by the true 50/50 ratio.

  124. May be the picture of Obama kissing his wife flashed in his mind? I agree he may have thought he would play a big part in the foreign policy area but I can’t imagine Obama giving him any meaningful portfolio.

  125. wbboei Says: I never met John but I used to see his dad Admiral McCain. …. His dad was a great guy always interested in the next generation of naval officers which is the mark of an organizational leader.
    ============

    Hm Did our John McCain really say he was grooming Palin to be the future of the Republican Party?

  126. I think Hillary is operating her campaign activities through HillPac now. I don’t think she has given the list to anybody else.

  127. We have a lot of work to do to stop Obambi. We must stop him. it isn’t enough to vote against him. We have to work everyday , call, hand out flyers. Anything. We only have a handful of days.

  128. moon: “Sounds like Biden is not in the loop, seems him and Obama are not talking at all.”

    Sounds familiar for many VP’s, doesn’t it?
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    It has got to be hard for Joe to put up with this bullshit especially with that aneurism.

  129. Hm Did our John McCain really say he was grooming Palin to be the future of the Republican Party
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    absolutely.

  130. Yes, for christmas sake, Biden is on the ticket through the election. Hell, isn’t this post about how voting has already started? It’s too late for that. It was too late the day Obama chose him. It’s election suicide to replace your VP.
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    mj: now there you go being logical! There has been nothing logical about this process that I can recall. When desperation sets in logic goes out the window. I have no clue what is happening.

  131. Moon: Why did Biden even accept VP, if he wanted to be in the Senate? I have to agree, it is a strange thing to say, but this entire campaign has been weird
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    Birdgal: that is an understatement. If I cannot have a renaissance woman then I will settle for a loyal soldier rather than a four flusher who will be up to his ass in allegators 5 minutes after his takes the oath. In the fulsomeness of time we will have the reanissace woman and a new golden age. And ABM 90 you and I will both live to see it.

  132. Palin Ouster From Rally Divides Jewish Groups

    Monday, September 22, 2008 2:37 PM
    By: Tim Collie Article Font Size

    The decision to disinvite Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin from an anti-Iran rally in front of the United Nations Monday has divided Jewish groups in New York City.

    Palin’s invitation was revoked after Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., canceled her apparance last week because she didn’t want to share a platform with the Republican Party’s rising star. That has led to an angry reaction among Jewish leaders, both Republican and Democrat, who believe the Alaska governor should have been heard.

    The ire is being directed at the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, an umbrella group of the nation’s leading Jewish organizations. But reports during the weekend suggested that the group was bowing to pressure from New York City’s Democratic establishment.

    “I’m absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats,” said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. “I’m a Democrat and for the first time in my life I’m going to vote Republican. I can’t take it anymore.” His group tried to invite Palin to another rally on Sunday.

    New York’s CBS 2 HD TV station reported that the groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were told that “it could jeopardize their tax exempt status” if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.

    “This is insulting. This is embarrassing, especially to Gov. Palin, to me and I think it should be to every single New Yorker,” Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, told CBS 2 HD.

    Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate.

    “I have never seen such raw emotion — on both sides,” another source told CBS 2.

    The angry back-and-forth may hurt the Obama campaign among Jews — traditionally liberal Democratic voters who nevertheless have been slow in embracing the Illinois senator’s campaign for president. Obama has been hampered by an underground campaign accusing him of being a Muslim, he’s a longtime Christian, and doubts about his commitment to Israel. Morever, many in New York and Florida’s large Jewish communities were supporters of Clinton during the primaries.

    Pajamasmedia.com reported Monday that the Palin snub could open the door for McCain to accuse Obama of putting partisanship above patriotism.

    “The National Jewish Democratic Council took credit for nixing the invitation,” blogger Jennifer Rubin reported. “And the leftwing “J Street” crowed over its victory: ‘We collected over 20,000 signatures in 24 hours asking Iran Unity rally organizer Malcolm Hoenlein to take Sarah Palin off the schedule for Monday’s rally, and he caved to our pressure on Thursday afternoon citing the fact that the rally had become too partisan.’” They made clear that they viewed this as a victory for precisely the policy which Barack Obama favors: “smart diplomacy.”

    Rubin quoted several leading Jewish leaders expressing anger over the decision.

    “We want to be very clear that we not only dissent from the decision to disinvite Governor Palin, but we condemn in no uncertain terms those within the Conference of Presidents who chose to impose their narrow partisan agenda on a very important undertaking,” Tom Neumann, executive director of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, wrote Monday in a letter to the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the sponsor of the event

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_jewish_groups/2008/09/22/133205.html

  133. Emjay- you got my paper? See page

    Here is how the Obama campaign got our names:

    On June 4 the Obama campaign assumed control over the party apparatus and treasury, and much to the chagrin of Clinton activists, began contacting her donors for contributions and other support. To this day, many of her high dollar contributors have refused to contribute. In my case, the Obama campaign called and invited me to have lunch with Michelle when she was in town. I told them that might be a little difficult since I was planning to picket her appearance, but even if that were not the case I could not in good conscience support him because he ran a very dirty campaign. Alas, they do not call me anymore. Finally, Obama has breached his commitment to retire her campaign debt so there is no incentive for us to help him. On one occasion he held a fundraiser for her and got so immersed in himself that he forgot to ask for money until someone reminded him. In sum, Obama cannot be trusted and he cannot deliver on anything that matters

  134. Anybody watching BC on Letterman? Remember on the trail Hillary used to say “moratorium on home foreclosures?” Bill just reminded everybody of that.

  135. Palin Ouster From Rally Divides Jewish Groups

    Monday, September 22, 2008 2:37 PM
    By: Tim Collie Article Font Size
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    The border collie misses one essential fact. The organizers of this event invited Hilllary and never told her that they were also inviting Palin. Big Media has been playing their fox and hounds game trying to get Hilllary to square off with Palen. Could Hillary deck her. Just as easily as she could deck Michelle or any other would be adversary male or female who steps in the ring with her but that is not what she is about. She will rap and opponent when circumstances warrant but she is not out to destroy anybody. She has larger things to worry about like the incompetence of colleagues and the perfect storm we have on her hands and the trivia of the media. I do think she is mad as hell at these organizers for trying to ambush her. That transgression is every bit as bad as their decision to disinvite McCain under pressure from Bambi. Bambi fucks up again by the numbers.

  136. Did someone embed already?

    Bill Clinton on the view [SELECT CLIPS – as the video says to obamabots, these are clips not full interview]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dns6oX4p98
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    count: thanks. bill is awesome. He thinks quicky on his feet, find the right message, communicates at more than one level and never uses a teleprompter. Magnificent.

  137. here we go – Dukakis is saying that McCain is pulling a Willie Horton – something is coming down the pipeline and the Dems are trying to pre-empt it:

    http://www.politickerma.com/jeremyjacobs/1251/dukakis-mccain-using-same-race-tactics-willie-horton-ad

    Former Gov. and 1988 Democratic Presidential nominee Michael Dukakis: Getty ImageFormer Gov. Michael Dukakis said Monday that John McCain’s presidential campaign is using the same race-based tactics that were used against him in his 1988 presidential run.

    The Brookline Democrat was referring to a recent McCain ad that claimed Democratic nominee Barack Obama received economic advice from Franklin Raines, the former CEO of the recently bailed out mortgage lender Fannie Mae. The ad features images of Raines and Obama, two African Americans, and then an image of an elderly white woman.

    Asked if he considered the ad to be in the same vein as the infamous ‘Willie Horton’ ad ad run by a third party group in support of George H.W. Bush in the 1988 presidential campaign, Dukakis told PolitickerMA.com: “Essentially, yes.”

  138. Remember on the trail Hillary used to say “moratorium on home foreclosures?” Bill just reminded everybody of that.
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    pm: sure do. she wanted people to be able to continue living in their homes for a period of time. If they get thrown out the houses will be empty and there is no excess rental capacity. If you are going to put them in someone elses home why not let them stay in their own.

  139. Asked if he considered the ad to be in the same vein as the infamous ‘Willie Horton’ ad ad run by a third party group in support of George H.W. Bush in the 1988 presidential campaign, Dukakis told PolitickerMA.com: “Essentially, yes.”
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    par for the course. I thought he had gotten into his tank and driven off into the sunset. Evidently not.

  140. Here is a beautifully written article that I found on another board:

    I have been asked by many why I have such confidence in a rookie Alaskan governor, given the rigors of the campaign to follow. (Many Republican pundits apparently do not.) I think we are starting to see the answers to that question. The proverbial “they” hacked into her private email accounts. They swore that her daughter was the real mother of her Down Syndrome baby. They sent legions of reporters and lawyers to Alaska to dig up dirt. They wrote columns suggesting that she was stupid, uneducated, dishonest, a liar, and worse still. All this was the work of moralists, who, in their more extreme manifestations, tried to flood a Chicago radio station to disrupt guests, who doctored photos of McCain to subvert his portrait, who disgraced the Atlantic brand by trafficking in pregnancy rumors, and who now publish the private email of Palin.

    And? She is still smiling and apparently unmoved.

    […]

    The point is this: I think it is much harder for a mother of three or four in an out-of-the-way Alaskan town to get elected to city council and the mayorship, then take on the entire Republican establishment and get elected governor than it is for a Barack Obama to emerge from Chicago politics into the Illinois state house and later Senate. The qualities that allowed a Palin to succeed without the power spouse, the identity politics, the Ivy-League cachet, the fawning New York editors and DC insider-press will ensure she does not implode on the campaign trail–and won’t in office either.

    Barack Obama, in contrast, on numerous occasions has complained how tiring, how hard, how unfair, how racist the campaign has turned out to be; Palin never.

    […]

    While civilization advances on the shoulders of the educated, it is carried along by the legs of the muscular classes. And the latter are not there by some magical IQ test or a natural filtering process that separates the wheat from the chaff, but rather by either birth, or, as often, by their preference for action and the physical world.

    Second, I have seen no difference in intelligence levels between those who inhabit the world of the physical and those who cultivate the life of the mind. That is, the most brilliant Greek philologists seemed no more impressive in their aptitude than the fellow who could take apart the transmission of an old Italian Oliver tractor, fix it, and put it back together–without a manual. And I knew three or four who could. The inept mechanic seemed no more dull than the showy graduate student who could not distinguish an articular infinitive from an accusative of respect.

    […]

    I am not calling for yokelism, or a proponent of false-populism. Rather, I wish to remind everyone that there are two fonts of wisdom: formal education, and the tragic world of physical challenge and ordeal. Both are necessary to be broadly educated. Familiarity with Proust or Kant is impressive, but not more impressive than the ability to wire your house or unclog the labyrinth of pipes beneath it.

    In this regard, I think Palin can speak, and reason, and navigate with bureaucrats and lawyers as well as can Obama; but he surely cannot understand hunters, and mechanics and carpenters like she can. And a Putin or a Chavez or a Wall-Street speculator that runs a leverage brokerage house is more a hunter than a professor or community organizer. Harvard Law School is not as valuable a touchstone to human nature as raising five children in Alaska while going toe-to-toe with pretty tough, hard-nose Alaskan males.

    What is wisdom?

    Not necessarily degrees, glibness, poise, or factual recall, but the ability to understand human nature. And that requires two simple things: an inductive method of reasoning to look at the world empirically, and a body of knowledge and experience to draw on for guidance.

    Palin in empirical fashion bucked the Republican establishment and the old-boy network when she thought it was unreasonable; Obama never figured out or at least never questioned Tony Rezko or the Chicago machine, Trinity Church or the Pelosi-Kennedy liberal mantra–unless it proved advantageous. Palin draws on everything from position papers on ANWR to how to keep four screaming kids fed and bathed; Obama on Harvard Law Review and dispensing more public money to more Chicago interest groups.

    That’s a simplification, but also an answer to the old Euripidean question “What is wisdom?”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/palin_and_obamawhat_really_is.html

  141. # wbboei Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Remember on the trail Hillary used to say “moratorium on home foreclosures?” Bill just reminded everybody of that.
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    pm: sure do. she wanted people to be able to continue living in their homes for a period of time. If they get thrown out the houses will be empty and there is no excess rental capacity. If you are going to put them in someone elses home why not let them stay in their own.
    ————————–

    Susan, at NQ has Hillary’s interview with CNBC today and she is going on all the morning shows tomorrow. I don’t have the stomach to watch any of that. Looking back on the primary, she was the only one talking about this impending crisis and what to do and now everybody is scrambling. But where is Obama still? How fucked up this whole thing is. BC on Letterman sounded better on Obama and I am pissed at that.

  142. It is always interesting to me that Bill in these interviews never says “You should vote for BO.” He always says “I think he will win because of A,B,C, and the Democratic policies are better.”

    He always makes a point of praising McCain as well. He also calls Biden and McCain Joe and John fairly often. He almost always calls BO “Senator Obama”

  143. is anyone here watching Letterman???

    Chris Rock just followed the Big Dawg. He was SO OFFENSIVE on so many levels (Bill, Hillary, Palin). I am absolutely appalled.

  144. wbb…you win the day with why O needs a big staff:

    “To polish his crown, to dust off his cape, to brasso his excalibre, to operate his golden and jewel bestudded coach, to throw down their own capes in mud puddles in his path, to hum choruses of how great thou art, and to manage all other aspects of this grim brothers fairy tale.”

    Although you must share the crown with

    “a no no for all seasons” because I laughed out loud at that too.

    Thanks to you both.

  145. johnmccain.com
    uh oh-obama is trying to attack mccain on reform despite obama never reforming anything. so team mccain pulled this gem from obama in 2006-
    Obama at 2006 press conference on the Honest Leadership Act:
    “There is one person who’s been consistent on reform issues, and that’s been John McCain.”

  146. I’m trying to post this at
    h t t p : / / 9www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/22/couricandco/entry4470123.shtml

    Please do not go into the interview with preconceptions about Palin having extreme, simplistic views (they are not) and wanting to impose them on others (she does not).

    Please begin by asking her to clairify where she draws the line between her own personal choices, her opinions, and her official actions. She has a good reputation for keeping out of social issues; according to an article titled “Palin governs from the center”, she avoids such issues so as not to offend the Democrats whose votes she needs for her energy reform (successfully: she has 80-90% approval in Alaska).

  147. mj
    no power here still 9 days out. 32pct of houston has no power so its improving. half of my area now has power. lord give us light!

  148. Oh…I just remembered. Along with the wonderful suggestions of talking to anyone you meet during your day, I suggest that you do what worked so well in the primary (with a Hill button)

    Wear a Dem for McCain button if there are some. It seems that people want to talk about that. They are amazed that we exist. They will bring up the subject. Since I can’t get into anybody’s face, I found that I liked letting other people come up to me. Grocery stores are particularly good – esp if there are lines.

  149. birdgal Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Here is a beautifully written article that I found on another board:

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    Thanks for that RCP article. It was a good read and exposes the hangups of the liberal left. Hansen has written other critical but true pieces on Obama.

  150. Chris Rock just followed the Big Dawg. He was SO OFFENSIVE on so many levels (Bill, Hillary, Palin). I am absolutely appalled.
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    Rock is a crude coward who waits until bill is gone to lauch into his stupid attacks. He was source of the Bosnia story as I recall. He is all mouth and gutwind. Must be a bot. Suffice it to say that he could benefit from a Paris Isand eduction.

  151. All,

    I thoroughly enjoyed your comments today. Great reading! Especially wbb’s:

    “To polish his crown, to dust off his cape, to brasso his excalibre, to operate his golden and jewel bestudded coach, to throw down their own capes in mud puddles in his path, to hum choruses of how great thou art, and to manage all other aspects of this grim brothers fairy tale.”

    I had dinner out with my husband and grown kids today and it was so weird to realize that they are in the tank for Obama and spouting urban legends about Sarah Palin. I finally called them on it, and the lady in the booth behind us agreed with me!

  152. I found a PUMA in tiny Brandon, Iowa. She was a Hillary supporter who is now voting for McCain/Palin. She owns the downtown Homestyle Cafe. I talked to her again after another bicycle ride on the Cedar Valley Nature Trail:

    w w w.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=d884e4f565084bbc8bd4b1f012eb2f0b&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=d884e4f565084bbc8bd4b1f012eb2f0b&plckPostId=Blog%3ad884e4f565084bbc8bd4b1f012eb2f0bPost%3a522ffe77-963f-45d9-acf1-a04549d55b79&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

    Sorry for how ridiculously long the URL is. I hate it, but it’s the newspaper that I write for that changed a simple URL to this monstrosity. Try printing it on a business card!

  153. maria said: I had dinner out with my husband and grown kids today and it was so weird to realize that they are in the tank for Obama and spouting urban legends about Sarah Palin. I finally called them on it, and the lady in the booth behind us agreed with me
    ===========

    Good heavens! You are a saint! Pls update us every day with every url that is still active on your threads!

    As for the urban legends, have you seen Charles Martin’s wonderful blog entry at http://www.palinrumors.com ?

    Readable, factual, intelligent, great. Good material from others in comments.

  154. Thanks to the old democrat who sent PUMA responders a website debunking Sarah Palin rumors. It’s Charles Martin’s website. Well done and hilarious to read:

    “Learn to count for God’s sakes!” (re a Palin pregnancy)

  155. maria said: I had dinner out with my husband and grown kids today and it was so weird to realize that they are in the tank for Obama and spouting urban legends about Sarah Palin. I finally called them on it, and the lady in the booth behind us agreed with me
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    you may want to tell them Bambi is a bamboozler who lacks experience judgement and moral courage. And, when the chips are down he plays the race card-from the bottom of the deck/

    Chris Rock= Boor

  156. Remember on the trail Hillary used to say “moratorium on home foreclosures?” Bill just reminded everybody of that.
    ===============

    And Obama talked about ‘sanctity of contract’ — a whistle to Wall Street that he was on the side of the lenders. No matter how much of a gyp the mortgage terms were — no matter that the homeowners could have qualified for conventional fixed-interest loans — they shold be held to the abusive terms because a contract is ‘sacred.’

  157. wbboei Says:
    Hm Did our John McCain really say he was grooming Palin to be the future of the Republican Party
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    absolutely.
    ====================

    Praise the Lord. We could get a long-term decent GOP out of this.

    HIllary as Senate Majority Leader…. The White House is not a healty environment, people stress and age….

  158. maria,

    Would you pls run that long url through http://www.tinyurl.com ? I’ve tried pasting it in two browsers but it must have got broken.

    Then could you post it at PumaResponders? You have posting priviledges. Just take any Responders post you’ve received and hit Reply, then Edit Subject so it will go up as a whole new post/thread.

    I’m going to bed….

  159. Good Morning all. I don’t have much time this morning. Having traveled the last two weeks, I have lots of stuff to do this week.

    There seems to be an undercurrent here in this campaign. There is the outer portion where people are overtly showing how they feel, then their is the undercurrent, where they don’t. With seeing so few signs on my trip, it apprears there is a large undercurrent. It will be interesting to see how the polls are actually reflecting the vote. People who know me come up and start the conversation. I get the impression it is because they know where I stand, and feel comfortable about discussing how they feel. THEY ARE NOT FOLDING IN.

    I OWN MY VOTE. Enjoy yourselves today.

  160. good morning all.

    moonpluto,

    I agree. This is getting beyond bizarre.

    “It’s almost as if there’s a brewing coup in the party against…Barak Obama.”

  161. Burton spanks Biden.

    “Late Monday, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton issued a statement from Biden. In it, Biden said he “was asked about an ad I’d never seen” and was “reacting merely to press reports.”

    Biden said that, as he said in the interview, there was nothing “intentionally personal” in the criticism of McCain’s views.

    “Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Sen. McCain’s ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize, especially when they continue to distort Barack’s votes on an issue as personal as keeping kids safe from sexual predators,” Biden said.

  162. Anti-Iran rally turns into anti-Obama Rally.

    A bit overstated but here it is FWIW.

    wcbstv.com/campaign08/united.nations.general.2.823131.html

  163. I hope this is true.

    Poll: Obama struggling to win over Clinton voters
    Sep 23, 6:21 AM (ET)
    By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPson
    WASHINGTON (AP) – Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress
    . . . ……..An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll shows that among adults who backed his rival during their bitter primary campaign, 58 percent now support Obama. That is the same percentage who said so in June
    . ………Clinton backers’ reluctance to support Obama helps explain why he is having a tougher time solidifying partisan supporters than McCain.
    ……they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain.
    …….Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton supporters are turning to Obama “in huge numbers” and noted that the AP-Yahoo News data differed from other polls. He said of Clinton, “She’s done everything we’ve asked her to do.”
    . . . . . Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said . . . .”She’s going to continue to do whatever she can to convince everyone, no matter who they supported, that Barack Obama must be our president.”
    . . . . . The starkest contrast comes from comparing Clinton backers still refusing to support Obama with other Democrats.
    . . . . . Just three in 10 Clinton supporters still not backing Obama view him favorably, compared with eight in 10 of all Democrats.

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress . . . ……..An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll shows that among adults who backed his rival during their bitter primary campaign, 58 percent now support Obama. That is the same percentage who said so in June
    . ………Clinton backers’ reluctance to support Obama helps explain why he is having a tougher time solidifying partisan supporters than McCain.
    ……they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain.
    …….Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton supporters are turning to Obama “in huge numbers” and noted that the AP-Yahoo News data differed from other polls. He said of Clinton, “She’s done everything we’ve asked her to do.”
    . . . . . Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said . . . .”She’s going to continue to do whatever she can to convince everyone, no matter who they supported, that Barack Obama must be our president.”
    . . . . . The starkest contrast comes from comparing Clinton backers still refusing to support Obama with other Democrats.
    . . . . . Just three in 10 Clinton supporters still not backing Obama view him favorably, compared with eight in 10 of all Democrats.
    .
    . . . . . The AP-Yahoo News poll of 1,740 adults was conducted Sept. 5-15 gin News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

  164. If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day. If you support Obama, please drive with your headlights off at night.

  165. There is a piece by Stanley Kurtz in the WSJ that I found startling.

    “Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.”

    “The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s”

    “The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.” Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC”

    ” In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy”

    ” The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.”

    “One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s “recruitment” to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.”

    “One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s “recruitment” to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

    “One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s “recruitment” to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

    (There follows a description of the school philosophy of Ayers stressing radical activism rather than education — worth reading and further exploration)

    “The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago”

    Did you all know this? Did I miss this or have the details been ignored by the media? Wonder if this will now be discussed.

  166. Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton supporters are turning to Obama “in huge numbers” and noted that the AP-Yahoo News data differed from other polls. He said of Clinton, “She’s done everything we’ve asked her to do.”
    ——————————————-
    This statement makes it hard for them to blame Hillary when they lose. It aint her doing. All the forces that conspired to steal the nomination from Hillary are in play–big media, the far left, the dnc, the bots and his won campaign. The American People do not like what they are seeing. Also, the McCain campaign is willing to call them out and the Republican Party is standing behind their candidates. Have you ever in your life met a more dysfunctional group of people than the party leadership? They have the best candidate in the election, the answer to the nation’s problems, an opportunity to break though the glass ceiling and reverse a process of national decline, and yet they rig the system to cheat her out of the nomination, go out of their way to humiliate her, and now run back to her like lemmings in a state of panic because they how serious this finanical mess may turn out to be, and how likely they are to lose this election. I am not sure I know what has changed because three months ago they were telling eachother that they were prepared to lose this election. Let us hope that death wish turns out to be self fulfilling propehesy.

  167. wbboei Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 am
    If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day. If you support Obama, please drive with your headlights off at night.

    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Wbboei: You are so practical. LOL!

  168. Did you all hear about the other Biden gaffe in Couric’s interview. He said something to the effect of FDR going right on TV to reassure the public in 1929 (was he hinting Obama is sitting on his hands too long?). But think about the bigger problem, 1929, FDR, TV…

  169. HILLARY CLINTON SCHEDULE: TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23

    Hillary Clinton will appear on morning shows tomorrow, Tuesday, September 23 to discuss solutions to the economic crisis.
    Tuesday, September 23
    New York, NY

    7:00 a.m. ET
    Hillary Clinton Discusses Solutions to the Economic Crisis in Morning Show Interviews
    –CBS’ Early Show
    –CNN’s American Morning
    –NBC’s Today Show
    –MSNBC’s Morning Joe

  170. freckles Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 9:49 am
    There is a piece by Stanley Kurtz in the WSJ that I found startling.

    “Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.”
    ——————————————-
    Obama has been sliming Kurtz and has filed a complaint against the Chicago station. Here is my take on it:

    B. Radical Roots: . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . Later he developed a friendship with William Ayers, who founded a domestic terrorist organization called The Weathermen. In 1971 Ayers bombed Washington DC and along with his girlfriend Bernadette Dorn became one of the FBI’s most wanted fugitives. Later the organization he founded executed a policeman. Obama met him years later and was aware of this background. By then Ayers had become a college professor. Obama’s fight the smears website refers to him as simply a “Chicago academic”. Obama claims he barely knows him but knew him well enough to launch his own political career from Ayers home in 1995. Obama chaired the Annenberg Challenge whose mission was to improve public education in Chicago. As chairman of this group Obama funneled $110 million to Ayers and other useful groups who were seeking to indoctrinate public schools with a radical leftist agenda. The problem here is two-fold: i) first, there are major questions about Obama’s role in the mismanagement of that money, and ii) second, it is a little difficult to convince voters that you are qualified to be commander and chief and lead the global war on terrorism when you are closely associated with an unrepentant terrorist bomber. Why? They will not believe you! Perhaps that is why he has filed a complaint with the Justice Department to prevent the America Issues Project from airing a television ad critical of his relationship with Ayers. But this is hardly what you would expect from a Professor of Constitutional Law like him.

    (Note: given these radical roots, it is amusing to hear Governor Sebelius claim that he is a product of solid mid-western values, and by inference, corny as Kansas in August, high as a flag on the Fourth of July etc. In fact, Barack Hussein Obama is an elitist who is far right on economic issues, far left on social issues and more likely high as a kite. Until recently, he has an aversion to the American Flag—based on his prior statements and actions.)

  171. note: some of the foregoing is from another article, and so it was not entirely my words. I cannot find that article right now but if I do I will post it.

  172. Hillary Clinton will appear on morning shows tomorrow, Tuesday, September 23 to discuss solutions to the economic crisis.
    Tuesday, September 23
    New York, NY

    7:00 a.m. ET
    Hillary Clinton Discusses Solutions to the Economic Crisis in Morning Show Interviews
    –CBS’ Early Show
    –CNN’s American Morning
    –NBC’s Today Show
    –MSNBC’s Morning Joe
    ———————————————
    This is what a leader does. Steps forward to confront the crisis while others step back. Barack aint no leader. Barack aint even army.

  173. Dear ole Donna Brazile sent me the following email through the DSCC – my reply appears first then her email to me follows my reply:

    Below is my reply email:
    STOP THE HATE FOR WHITE FEMALES, DONNA! You told us you did not need us; you did not want us; we could just stay home; that we were not part of the NEW coalition of AA’s, Elites, Urban, and the YOUNG!!

    STOP THE HATE FOR WHITE FEMALES, DONNA AND KEEP YOUR PROMISE TO LEAVE THE DNC AND undemocratic Democratic Party!!!

    Do it NOW, Donna, we do not want you anymore!!!!!!!!

    nObama. NO way. NO how. Hillary Republican for McCain/Palin 2008

    Signed: my real name, aka ShortTermer

    ——————————————————————————–

    From: Donna Brazile [mailto:info@dscc.org]
    Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:51 PM
    To: me at my email address that I gave Hillary’s website
    Subject: Out of touch

    Dear [My First Name – don’t think she and I are on first name basis],

    Everything Democrats fight for comes down to these last 42 days.

    Universal health care, energy independence ending the war in Iraq – it all hangs in the balance.

    All that stands in the way is John McCain and a group of Republican senators who have blocked more legislation than any Congress in U.S. history.

    You and I and every other committed Democrat must be dedicated to electing Barack Obama and defeating Republicans wherever we find them.

    Forty-two days remain and from Alaska to Mississippi, Democratic Senate candidates are positioned to unseat at least eleven Republicans.

    These candidates depend on the DSCC — the DSCC depends on thousands of activists just like you. They need $4.4 million to reach the last quarterly goal of the cycle and to maintain a fighting chance to win the nine seats necessary for a filibuster-proof majority.

    All of us have to do our part to meet this critical goal. Even as little as $5 from you gets the DSCC one step closer to victory.

    Please rush a contribution of $5 or more to the DSCC to help them win a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate majority. Give now and a group of Democratic Senators will raise $2 for every $1 you give. That triples the impact of your money!

    I cannot stress enough how urgent your help is. Here’s why:

    McCain/Palin are radically out of touch with the American people but they have fired up the Republican base in a big way. Republicans may have been demoralized during the primaries, but those days are over. They will be turning out in full force to support Republicans up and down the ticket.

    They want this thing every bit as bad as we do, and as you can see from the rapid fire GOP attacks on your TV every night they will stop at nothing to win.

    I for one will not be outworked or outhustled by the Republicans. And neither will the DSCC.

    They’re flooding battleground states with staff and volunteers and they’re helping drive our message of change. Most importantly, DSCC Chairman Sen. Chuck Schumer has instituted a rule that every single GOP attack must be answered unequivocally within 24 hours.

    I’m telling you, we’re taking it to the Republicans, but we are out of time. We need thousands of contributions to get us to $4.4 million in a few days otherwise Democratic Senate candidates will get short shrift and we will lose races we could have and should have won.

    It may not sound like much, but even $5 from you can be part of a massive wave of grassroots energy that can and will win these Senate races. I know you can have a huge impact.

    Please rush a contribution of $5 or more to the DSCC to help them win a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate majority. Give now and a group of Democratic Senators will raise $2 for every $1 you give. That triples the impact of your money!

    No matter what the polls say, Election Day will come down to the wire.

    The race for the White House and a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate majority will be decided purely by who wants it the most.

    How badly do you want to take our country back?

    Sincerely,

    Donna Brazile

  174. Hillary Clinton will appear on morning shows tomorrow, Tuesday, September 23 to discuss solutions to the economic crisis.
    Tuesday, September 23
    New York, NY

    7:00 a.m. ET
    Hillary Clinton Discusses Solutions to the Economic Crisis in Morning Show Interviews
    –CBS’ Early Show
    –CNN’s American Morning
    –NBC’s Today Show
    –MSNBC’s Morning Joe
    ———————————————–
    Like a phoenix from the ashes I see this as significant development and a harbinger of things to come. She is speaking on behalf of New York but even more the entire country. The lunatics running the party now may not like her but they know they need her. Otherwise this would not happen. I sense a turning point here Do you?

  175. What can I be thinking? I left out the title of the Kurtz article: O and Ayers Push Radicalism on Schools. !!!

    Now that’s a scary idea. Should go over well in the heartland.

  176. wbboei,

    On the one hand I agree with you about this being what a leader does. On the other hand, I have a terrible feeling that she is going to push Obama into the conversation.

    I’m starting to think that she is definitely been pushed into a corner and is using Bill to send out her real message.

  177. wbboei: BO is studying for the debate on Friday, and Hillary is trying to save our financial situation. Who is the leader? Apparently, things are tightening up in FL:

    Mason-Dixon: 47% BO 45% McCain

    He has 50 field offices and 350 paid staffers in FL. He is running ads continuously. McCain is only leading older votes by 4 points.

    Charlie Christ: This is going to come down to experience and judgment.

    Democrats have registered approx. 130,000 new voters.

    As another poster asks: “Are those newly registered democrats dead or alive?

  178. jan- I did not see the interviews.

    I assume she is pushing and he is resisting.

    Wasnt Gogzilla saying he would wait until January to engage.

    I think she is dragging him into the conversation.

    He cannot be permitted to hide from it.

    I fear she may be acting . . . vice presidential.

    But again I do not know/

  179. FOX news just reported that lobbyists are trying to expand the bailout bill to include car loans, credit card loans, and basically any and all bad debt.

    They want the whole fucking industry to basically declare bankruptcy and have a clean slate on OUR dime. They want the American taxpayer to buy up every shred of bad debt they have accumulated, and walk away scot free.

    Oh, HELL no!

    I have no problem with the government stepping in and coughing up just enough to prevent a total crash – I hate it, but it’s likely necessary. But these assholes are using the opportunity and the fear to pile on trillions in cushion for themselves.

  180. Big Money and Big Lobbyists want Obama BAD. From a poster on RD blog:

    Pale Lion, on September 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 am Said:
    Thanks fif for your counsel. Two more quick anecotes. My wife is the head accountant at a small non-partisan lobbying firm, hired guns, aka the money talks crowd. Some afternoon about three weeks ago, one of her colleages, one of her closest friends there, came into her office and casually asked who she was supporting in the election. Wife said McCain/Palin. Her friend went ballistic, belittling the wife with ridicule, and demands of why. Wife was stunned. Especially since this woman is known as one of the most vapid lobbyists in that office. Seems the lobbying industry is indeed afraid of McCain-Palin closing down their business.

    Two weeks ago, at the firm’s annual picnic, I overheard a staunch Republican in friendly chat say he was voting for neither of these two scoundrels, although he also admitted that “his business” (lobbying) is usually more lucrative during a Democratic regime. This man is a former congressman from an important southern state.

    Key point: they are ALL afraid of McCain-Palin.

    My wife has worked at this firm for 22 years. Never has a presidential election stirred up so much interest in the outcome. I repeat, these folks are are ideological lobbyists. They are money dogs.

  181. wbboei: BO is studying for the debate on Friday, and Hillary is trying to save our financial situation. Who is the leader? Apparently, things are tightening up in FL:

    Mason-Dixon: 47% BO 45% McCain
    ———————————————
    Birdgal: obama is about winning elections-by any means foul or fair–banana republic/ Hillary is about wise goverance. That is the defining difference and you see it at every turn.

    I would like to help him prepare for the Friday debate, but for some strange reason he hasnt asked me or any of the rest of us. He is probably asking Axelrod how he can slip a mickey finn in mccain’s water glass when nobody is looking.

    Hope, change and a new kind of politics. Katie bar the doors.

  182. HillaryforTexas,

    they are doing their outmost to postpone and drag this bail out for as long as it takes for their messiah to be annoited. In the meantime the common folk go down the drain.

  183. Morning, Hillfriends:
    Got this forwarded from a dear friend who is an Obama supporter (don’t actually know why she included me on her list). You know what to do…. 😉
    * * * * *
    PLEASE do this today!!!

    PBS is doing a poll which asks if Palin is qualified to be VP. The
    right wing has organized a yes campaign, and the ‘yes’ is at the
    moment winning. Please take 2 minutes and go to: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html and vote!

    Send this on.

    http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

  184. They want the whole fucking industry to basically declare bankruptcy and have a clean slate on OUR dime. They want the American taxpayer to buy up every shred of bad debt they have accumulated, and walk away scot free.

    Oh, HELL no!
    ——————————————-
    I bet that is why Hillary is speaking out now. To stop this rising tide. Many of her democratic colleagues will cave to this kind of pressure–people like the kennedy cabal and mccaskill–especially in an election year. So she is trying to help the rand restrain the worst instincts of her colleague who would sell their soul to the devil. There are republicans I know who are no better–so again the problem is bi-partisan.

    Birdgal: what you are seeing now is the pattern of how Obama responds to a crisis. Scholarly semi divine remove. Other priorities. No moral courage to take the heat.

  185. wbboei: Birdgal: what you are seeing now is the pattern of how Obama responds to a crisis. Scholarly semi divine remove. Other priorities. No moral courage to take the heat.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Since the White House is a hot bed of crisis everyday, BO would melt under all the heat. He hasn’t been able to tolerate the stress of an election, how in the heck, is he going to handle the heat in the White House? Answer: He won’t be able to. That is very clear.

  186. H4T: I suspect the bailouts they gave to wall street were done to prevent a run on the dollar by foreign investors. These other pigs who are rushing forward to feed at the public trough do not represent the same risk and it will be easier to tell them they are on their own. I suspect Hillary is setting the stage for this, give direction and give some spine to her invertebrate colleagues. That is all conjecture however.

  187. NPR continues to get all uppity about Palin. Instead of saying that “Palin will be meeting with foreign dignitaries today”, they something like “Palin’s cram course in foreign policy today will include meeting with foreign dignitaries”. It’s insulting.

    It sounds like a script handed to them from the Obama campaign.

    We didn’t hear that Obama’s European Vacation was his training ground , warmup camp, cram course in being like, rilly, th’ President. No, we were told that …”The trip abroad is hoped to dispel questions about his lack of foreign policy experience”.

    Which sounds like a script handed to them from the Obama campaign.

  188. Since the White House is a hot bed of crisis everyday, BO would melt under all the heat. He hasn’t been able to tolerate the stress of an election, how in the heck, is he going to handle the heat in the White House? Answer: He won’t be able to. That is very clear.
    ———————————————
    Very true. If these were halcion times he could get through four years okay. He could spend them in semi divine remove and give a speech now and then. I am talking about 1875. But these next four years will be a roller coaster and crisis management skills will be essential. That is not who he is.

  189. Looks like Joe Biden, in his interview with Katie Couric, was copying off the wrong classmate’s exam again. “When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here’s what happened.’” Two problems here: Television did not exist in 1929, and FDR was elected in 1932. When Joe was in history class, was he cheating by looking over the class dunce’s shoulder, or does he just make this stuff up?

    Katie Couric never even corrected him.

  190. Biden and Obama are infighting, this is not a happy ship folks, there is something going on between Obama and Biden.

    Obama slams Biden now

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-on-bidens.html

    Obama on Biden’s Initial Opposition to AIG Bailout: “Joe Should Have Waited”

    Lauer was talking about how Obama hit Sen. McCain for flip-flopping on the AIG bailout — saying he opposed it one day then announce he supported it the next day.

    But, as Lauer pointed out, scarcely three minutes after McCain said he opposed the AIG bailout last week, “in an interview with Meredith Vieira, Joe Biden, your running mate was asked the exact same question, ‘should the federal government bailout AIG?’ And he said, ‘No, the federal government should not bailout AIG.'” (As we noted at the time.) “And I think that in that situation,” Obama said, “I think Joe should have waited as well.”

    “But it’s the kind of thing that drives people crazy about politics,” Lauer said. “It sounds like you were trying to score some political points against John McCain using his words, when your own running mate had used very similar words.”

    “No, hold on a second Matt,” Obama said. “I think what drives people crazy about politics is the fact that somebody like John McCain who for 26 years has been an advocate for deregulation, for 26 years has said the market is king and then starts going out there suggesting somehow that he’s a populist who’s been railing against Wall Street and regulation — that’s what drives people crazy about politics.

  191. DUH, DUH, DUH: NYTimes NOT HOPING FOR AN OBAMA DEBATE MIRACLE FRIDAY:

    Obama Carries Uneven Record as Debater to First Contest With McCain
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Senator Barack Obama has shown himself at times to be a great orator. His debating skills, however, have been uneven.

    Some of his chief strengths — his facility with words, his wry detachment, his reasoning skills, his youthful cool — have not always served him well and may pose significant vulnerabilities in the series of presidential debates that begins Friday, according to political analysts and a review of his earlier debate performances.

    Mr. Obama has a tendency to overintellectualize and to lecture, befitting his training as a lawyer and law professor. He exudes disdain for the quips and sound bites that some deride as trivializing political debates but that have become a central part of scoring them. He tends to the earnest and humorless when audiences seem to crave passion and personality. He frequently rises above the mire of political combat when the battle calls for engagement.

    This was seen most starkly at last month’s forum at Saddleback Church, where he and Senator John McCain were interviewed back to back by the evangelical church’s pastor, the Rev. Rick Warren. Mr. Obama gave long, discursive answers to questions on loaded topics like abortion and personal moral failings, while Mr. McCain stole the show with earthy anecdotes and humor.

    “Obama clearly knows how to float like a butterfly,” said Alan Schroeder, who studies media and the presidency at Northeastern University, “but he needs to work on the sting-like-a-bee part.”

    Those who watched his debate performances during the long primary season say he improved markedly from a fairly shaky start but never really mastered the form.

    “During the course of 18 months, he learned to give shorter, crisper answers,” said Howard Wolfson, a top adviser to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who helped prepare her for the two dozen debates she had with Mr. Obama and other Democratic candidates. “I think his command of facts, figures and anecdotes got consistently stronger.”

    One of Mr. Obama’s worst moments came in the first Democratic debate, in South Carolina in April 2007. The candidates were asked how they would respond to a new series of terrorist attacks.

    Mrs. Clinton gave a short answer, ending, “Let’s focus on those who have attacked us and do everything we can to destroy them.”

    But Mr. Obama gave a rambling reply on emergency response, intelligence flaws and the importance of engaging “the international community.” He had to ask for a second chance to answer the question in order to say he would go after the terrorists.

    Two months later he was on the defensive over a question of meeting without preconditions with the leaders of hostile states. He said that he would do so and that he disagreed with the Bush administration’s approach of not engaging with Iran, Syria, Cuba and North Korea. His rivals cited this as evidence of his naïveté in foreign affairs.

    Perhaps Mr. Obama’s single worst debate moment came early this January in New Hampshire, where Mrs. Clinton was asked why some people found her less likable than some of her rivals. She adopted a hurt tone and said of Mr. Obama: “He’s very likable, I agree with that. But I don’t think I’m that bad.”

    Mr. Obama looked at her and said coldly, “You’re likable enough.”

    In part because of a sympathy backlash, Mrs. Clinton went on to win the New Hampshire primary, keeping her candidacy alive.

    At a debate two weeks later, Mr. Obama apologized for the remark.

    From then on, Mr. Obama’s performances improved. At a debate in late January, Mrs. Clinton accused him of getting financial favors from a Chicago “slumlord,” a reference to Antoin Rezko. Mr. Obama shot back that while he was doing community organizing work, she had been sitting on the board of Wal-Mart. But he seemed uncomfortable with the exchange and a few minutes later lightened a tense moment with his answer to a question about whether Bill Clinton had been the first “black president.”

    “I would have to investigate more Bill’s dancing abilities and some of this other stuff,” he said with a smile, “before I accurately judged whether in fact he was a brother.”

    And, though he focused largely on his Democratic rivals during most of the primary campaign, he said of Mr. McCain at a Democratic debate in January, “Somewhere along the line the Straight Talk Express lost some wheels.”

    In February, when Mrs. Clinton tried to goad him over his borrowing some speech lines, mockingly referring to “change you can Xerox,” he brushed off the swipe as part of the “silly season in politics.”

    By the final debate of the primary season, on April 16 in Philadelphia, Mr. Obama was both more polished and at times exasperated by the process. He was subjected to repeated severe questioning that night about the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., his association with William Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground, and his refusal then to wear a flag pin. He endured the grilling, looking testy at times, but also won some points for empathy by recounting the stories of people he had met along the campaign trail, including a man in Latrobe, Pa., “who lost his job and was trying to figure out where he was going to get the gas money to go find a job.”

    Mr. Obama has been involved in high-stakes political debates since his first, unsuccessful race for Congress in 2000, when he took on a popular incumbent, Representative Bobby L. Rush of Illinois.

    In the sole televised debate of that campaign, he aggressively attacked Mr. Rush until the moderator cut him off. Mr. Rush dismissed his challenger as an upstart with no record to run on.

    “Just what’s he done?” Mr. Rush said, according to an account in “Obama: From Promise to Power,” by David Mendell. “I mean, what’s he done?”

    A deflated Mr. Obama went on to lose the election by 30 percentage points.

    In 2004, Mr. Obama was running for the Senate against Alan Keyes, a glib talk show host whom Republicans had imported from Maryland to oppose him after more credible candidates were disqualified by personal scandal.

    Mr. Obama’s aloofness and windiness were on display in a debate against Mr. Keyes, but he was able to cut through the verbal clutter on occasion to deliver a biting response to him.

    “Your logic was not that complicated,” Mr. Obama said to end one exchange on homosexuality and incest. “It’s just wrong.”

    On another occasion, Mr. Keyes asserted that Jesus would not vote for Mr. Obama because of his support for abortion rights. Mr. Obama replied that if he had a chance to consult with Jesus, he would not ask him about a Senate race.

    “I’d want to know if I was going up or down,” he said. “There’s all sorts of questions that I’d be interested in.”

  192. AND IN THE OTHER COR-NAH, WEIGHING IN AT 72 YEARS OF AGE, JOHN “THE MAULER” McCAIN:

    More from the Times:

    A Scrappy Fighter, McCain Honed His Debating Style in and Out of Politics
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, heads into the first debate on Friday with a track record as a scrappy combatant and the instincts of a fighter pilot, prepared to take out his opponent and willing to take risks to do so.

    He has used fairly consistent techniques during his roughly 30 debates on the national stage: he is an aggressive competitor who scolds his opponents, grins when he scores and is handy with the rhetorical shiv. Just ask Mitt Romney, whom Mr. McCain filleted on several occasions in debates during the primaries, perhaps most infuriatingly for Mr. Romney when Mr. McCain misleadingly asserted that Mr. Romney favored a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.

    A review of several of Mr. McCain’s debates shows that he is most comfortable and authentic when the subject is foreign policy. And in a stroke of good fortune, foreign policy is the topic for Friday, the first of three 90-minute debates with Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee.

    Voters give higher marks to Mr. McCain as a potential commander in chief, and Mr. Obama should expect Mr. McCain to question his credentials for the job at every turn — and to distort his views, as Mr. Romney insisted he did.

    Mr. McCain is likely to steer the conversation, as he has in past debates, to his captivity in Vietnam. It was the bedrock experience of his life and is the organizing principle of his political identity.

    He showcased it most triumphantly last October in a debate in Orlando, Fla. The moderator noted that while Mr. McCain had strongly supported the troop surge in Iraq, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, then the likely Democratic nominee, wanted to pull the troops out. Mr. McCain was asked whether the surge was a winning issue for Republicans in 2008. With a quick nod to the troops, Mr. McCain, characteristically, hijacked the question and skipped to pork-barrel spending, his favorite bête noire.

    “In case you missed it, a few days ago, Senator Clinton tried to spend $1 million on the Woodstock Concert Museum,” Mr. McCain said slyly. “Now, my friends, I wasn’t there,” he continued, letting it sink in why he had missed that ’60s be-in.

    “I’m sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event,” he deadpanned, pausing again to stoke the culture wars. “I was tied up at the time.” The audience roared with approval and rose to its feet for an extended ovation. It was an overwhelming display of affirmation almost unheard of in a debate format.

    Most of Mr. McCain’s moments on the debate stage are rarely that dramatic, but they are not without flair. He uses short, active verbs that project strength, and he can connect with audiences on a visceral level using down-to-earth language. He was one of 10 Republicans on stage when the primary debates began in May 2007, but he managed to stand out with one vivid remark. Saying he would do “whatever is necessary” to capture Osama bin Laden, he declared, “I’ll follow him to the gates of hell.”

    But that debate also showed that Mr. McCain’s performances could be uneven. He stumbled over some words. He looked confused at several junctures and was slow on the draw, retrieving his time on occasion to amend earlier answers. At one point, Mr. McCain seemed surprised by a question about whether he believed in evolution. Yes, he said. But when some of his rivals said they did not, Mr. McCain went back. “I believe in evolution,” he said. “But I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.”

    When the topic strays from foreign policy, Mr. McCain’s interest can fade and he can lapse into his stump speech.

    “McCain’s major weakness is looking wooden, and when he’s out of his comfort zone, his sound bites become weaker and his evasions of questions become more obvious,” said David Lanoue, a political scientist at the University of Alabama and an expert in presidential debates.

    What lasts from a review of Mr. McCain’s national debates — 21 this primary season and more than seven in 2000 that included George W. Bush — is that he relishes direct confrontation. He presents himself as the authority on the broad themes of war and peace, life and death. And depending on his level of contempt for his opponent, he can drip with condescension, even as he sits calmly with his hands folded in front of him, smiling.

    “I told you once before, Alan, and I’m sorry I have to tell you again,” Mr. McCain said to Alan Keyes, a Republican presidential candidate, in 2000. “I’ve seen enough killing in my life, a lot more than you have. I know, I know, how valuable and precious human life is.”

    Drawing Mr. Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, into a trap in the CNN/YouTube debate last November, Mr. McCain said, “Well, Governor, I’m astonished that you haven’t found out what waterboarding is.” Mr. Romney said he did know, prompting Mr. McCain to express further astonishment that Mr. Romney would not call it torture.

    But in that debate, it was Representative Ron Paul of Texas, an opponent of the war in Iraq, who was the object of Mr. McCain’s most righteous fury. “I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused World War II,” Mr. McCain declared, as he doubled back from a question about taxes. After some boos, he continued, “We allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism and appeasement.”

    David S. Birdsell, who specializes in political communication and presidential debates at Baruch College, said Mr. McCain could be “irascible and pugnacious and clearly stoked by personal animosity.” It will be a challenge for him to keep that side in check, Mr. Birdsell said, especially toward Mr. Obama, who is 25 years Mr. McCain’s junior and who Mr. McCain believes has not paid his dues.

    “Can McCain restrain himself?” Mr. Birdsell asked. “And will Obama have the ability to place the pinpricks at the right moment to elicit that negative, slashing, awkwardly grinning McCain?”

  193. “Can McCain restrain himself?” Mr. Birdsell asked. “And will Obama have the ability to place the pinpricks at the right moment to elicit that negative, slashing, awkwardly grinning McCain?”

    rgb, the pundits are trying to set this up for Obama by trying to make McCain afraid to go on the attack. Attacking is precisely what McCain SHOULD do, and show up Obama to be the farce he is, but the media is trying to prevent that by pre-spinning the story that if McCain hits Obama, he is “negative and angry and irascible”.

    I hope McCain doesn’t listen, doesn’t play it safe. I hope he twists the knife, but good.

  194. I wonder if the Republicans are taking note that both Clintons are taking the high-road (unlike the rest of the Dems) when it comes to Palin. They never personally diss her or her family. They respect McCain’s choice.

    The Clintons will ride into the sunset as popular as ever.

    Of course, she’ll be President too.

  195. LOL…McCain’s been around long enough to know the score. I’m just waiting for the Obamabots to start crying after the debates that he hurt their poor little Obama…maybe even throw in the race card over and over again.

    This is going to get sling-mud dirty before all is said and done.

  196. I’m sure the next echo-chamber meme of the far-left will be McCain’s uncontrollable anger – we can’t let this man anywhere the red button.

  197. CTV, McCain reminds me a lot of my hubby (a Navy Commander), and yeah, he will go off on you verbally in a heartbeat. He has no patience with stupidity and dancing around a subject, he says what he thinks, sometimes explosively and angrily.

    He is also one of the most sane, reasonable, genuinely compassionate and kind people on the planet. But his personality is a little different – he’s not a suck up, puppies and warm fuzzies kinda guy. He’s a bit of a misanthrope. He won’t speak with dripping concern of anyone’s troubles – he’s likely to be a little cynical about people in general. But he will always be the first one to HELP in a concrete way, and he will do it quietly, and almost sheepishly. He talks tough, but he will not hesitate to give someone the shirt off his back, and never tell a soul he did it. He’s done it many times. If you watch my husband, his deeds belie his sometimes snappish verbiage.

    McCain reminds me a lot of my hubby in personality.

  198. HillaryforTexas – definitely sounds like McCain.

    Just watching the segment on Rachel Ray, he seemed like a very take-charge guy – he’s a tough guy with a big heart, kind of that Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood guy that doesn’t really exist much anymore.

  199. HEY! THIS IS ABOUT US:

    From Yahoo:

    Poll: Obama struggling to win over Clinton voters
    By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Barack Obama’s support from backers of Hillary Rodham Clinton is stuck smack where it was in June, a poll showed Tuesday, a stunning lack of progress that is weakening him with members of the Democratic Party in the close presidential race.

    An Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll shows that among adults who backed his rival during their bitter primary campaign, 58 percent now support Obama. That is the same percentage who said so in June, when Clinton ended her bid and urged her backers to line up behind the Democratic senator from Illinois.

    The poll shows that while Obama has gained ground among Clinton’s supporters — 69 percent view him favorably now, up 9 percentage points from June — this has yet to translate into more of their support.

    In part, this is because their positive views of Republican presidential nominee John McCain have also improved during this period. Those supporting McCain have also edged up from 21 percent to 28 percent, with the number of undecided staying constant, the survey showed.

    Clinton backers’ reluctance to support Obama helps explain why he is having a tougher time solidifying partisan supporters than McCain. Overall, 74 percent of Democrats say they will vote for Obama, compared to 87 percent of Republicans behind the Arizona senator. About nine in 10 Clinton supporters are Democrats.

    The problem that supporters of Clinton, the New York senator, have with Obama seems to flow from their measure of him as a candidate, not from issues. From establishing a timeline for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq to abortion to canceling tax cuts on the rich, their views of the importance of issues are virtually identical to Democrats in general.

    Yet they find Obama less likable, honest, experienced and inspiring than Democrats overall do, and have a better view of McCain. And while majorities of Clinton supporters say Obama shares their values and understands ordinary Americans, they’re less likely to say so than Democrats overall.

    “It’s just a gut feeling, my gut tells me he’s not it,” Leslye Burgess, 53, a federal Treasury Department manager and Democrat from Fairfax, Va., said of Obama. The Clinton supporter added, “I’ll have to fight with myself between now and November” about how she’ll vote.

    The GOP’s selection of Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate has had no net impact on Clinton loyalists — a group Republicans were hoping to lure by picking the Alaska governor. Twenty-one percent in the poll said Palin on the ticket makes them likelier to back McCain, 21 percent said it makes them less likely, and 58 percent said it had no impact.

    Joe Biden’s pick to be Democratic vice presidential candidate makes them a bit likelier to vote for Obama, but seven in 10 said it won’t be a factor.

    Other September polls have shown Obama making progress in recent weeks with one-time Clinton backers and doing better with them than in the AP-Yahoo! News survey. One by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama with 78 percent of their support and McCain with 18 percent; another by ABC News and the Washington Post showed Obama ahead 72 percent to 23 percent.

    Those figures measured Clinton supporters who are registered voters — who in the AP-Yahoo! News poll leaned toward Obama over McCain 61 percent to 26 percent. The discrepancies in the polls might come from how they were conducted.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton supporters are turning to Obama “in huge numbers” and noted that the AP-Yahoo! News data differed from other polls. He said strong feelings by Clinton supporters were understandable considering the length and intensity of the Democratic primaries and said of Clinton, “She’s done everything we’ve asked her to do.”

    The AP-Yahoo! News poll has surveyed the same nationally representative group of about 2,000 adults seven times since November, in an effort to understand how individuals are reacting to the presidential race. Nine in 10 Clinton supporters who said in June they were backing Obama were still with him in September, while three quarters of those with McCain stayed with him.

    As during her primary battle against Obama, Clinton supporters are likelier to be female, white, and less educated than those who did not back her.

    They trust Obama more than McCain on important issues, though not by as much as Democrats overall do. They prefer Obama over McCain on the economy by 30 percentage points, compared to Obama’s 50-point edge among all Democrats. They like Obama on Iraq by 17 points, while all Democrats give Obama a 40-point margin.

    The starkest contrast comes from comparing Clinton backers still refusing to support Obama with other Democrats.

    Just three in 10 Clinton supporters still not backing Obama view him favorably, compared to eight in 10 of all Democrats. While most Democrats and former Clinton supporters strongly prefer Obama over McCain to handle key issues, those Clinton voters still opposing Obama opt for McCain: On the economy by 32 points, and on Iraq by 47 points.

    One in four Clinton backers say they’ve not yet locked into a candidate — and far more of those supporting Obama than McCain say they support their candidate strongly. Many who have already decided to back Obama say the transition wasn’t difficult.

    Kathy McVeigh, 60, a nurse from Norwalk, Ohio, has moved from Clinton to Obama and said she would tell wavering Clinton voters “to get on the bandwagon because we need change, we better do something in a hurry because we’re going down the tubes.”

    The AP-Yahoo! News poll of 1,740 adults was conducted Sept. 5-15 and has an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. It included interviews with 502 people who in AP-Yahoo! News polls in January and April identified themselves as supporting Clinton in one or both of those months, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.4 points.

    The survey was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

    In contrast, the Pew and ABC-Post polls relied on people saying in September whether they supported Clinton earlier this year. Those polls were conducted by telephone; some studies have shown people can be less reluctant to disclose embarrassing behavior — like not supporting their party’s presidential nominee — in an online survey than to a live telephone interviewer.

    On the other hand, people in the AP-Yahoo! News poll who backed Clinton in earlier waves of the survey might not want to appear inconsistent by suddenly backing a candidate — Obama — they opposed earlier.

  200. yup. that article is about us.

    we definitely view McCain more possibility – we don’t buy the garbage that he’s the same as Bush.

  201. This is the time to speak and make sure that the enemy within is not elected as our next President. Obama is not prepared to lead at least not into a better future. He could lead us, into catastrophe, but we don’t want such leaders. Speak out now before it is too late. If we had taken decided action earlier Hillary not BHO would be our candidate.

  202. “I wonder if the Republicans are taking note that both Clintons are taking the high-road (unlike the rest of the Dems) when it comes to Palin. They never personally diss her or her family. They respect McCain’s choice.”

    ——

    Yes. Republicans are taking note of the Clintons’ approach to this campaign.

    On the debates, the NYTIMES is simply publishing the Bambe talking points to lower expectations. The NYTIMES is just carrying his water.

    If Bambi does poorly, I expect to see a flurry of stories about how expecting him to debate is racist and that black people are always at a disdavantage debating white folk.

  203. hwc,

    and will the questions and times allotted be balanced? Were they with Hillary? NOT! Will they be with McCain? NOT!

    Will Obama get some insider information before the debates? Most probably.

  204. Obama is incompetent. We already had that in the White House. Sometimes I have to remind friends who are Hillary supporters now voting for Obama that it’s not about Hillary – it’s about Obama, and he’s unfit to lead the country.

    I was listening to an AM station and guest Bob Woodward was saying that Bush sometimes didn’t attend critical internal meetings on Iraq. It struck me right there and then, that I fully believe Obama would do the same – just delegate away the highest level decisions, show absolutely no leadership, and make everyone else do his work. He’s already doing that in the campaign – he’s MIA – when we’re in a crises working on his debate techniques instead of taking charge.

  205. Lorey Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    This is the time to speak and make sure that the enemy within is not elected as our next President. Obama is not prepared to lead at least not into a better future. He could lead us, into catastrophe, but we don’t want such leaders. Speak out now before it is too late. If we had taken decided action earlier Hillary not BHO would be our candidate.
    ——————————————–
    Lorey you are right. But many of us did everything we could as individuals to achieve a different outcome. Party leaders let us down badly. More important, they let hillary and the country down as well. That is why we must do as you say and work as hard as we can to put McCain in the White House because the alternative is too grim to contemplate. Big Media can create this paper moon over a cardboard sea scenarion around the block and not taken leave of their senses knows the score. If he became president, he would be likely to implode.

  206. Just sort of BTW…
    moononpluto Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 am
    Looks like Joe Biden, in his interview with Katie Couric, was copying off the wrong classmate’s exam again. “When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here’s what happened.’” Two problems here: Television did not exist in 1929, and FDR was elected in 1932. When Joe was in history class, was he cheating by looking over the class dunce’s shoulder, or does he just make this stuff up?
    ————————————-
    In fact, television did exist in 1929 — from History of ATT web site
    On April 7, 1927, a group of newspaper reporters and dignitaries gathered at the AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories auditorium in New York City to see the first American demonstration of something new: television. Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover provided the “entertainment,” as his live picture and voice were transmitted over telephone lines from Washington, D.C., to New York.
    “Today we have, in a sense, the transmission of sight for the first time in the world’s history,” Hoover said. “Human genius has now destroyed the impediment of distance in a new respect, and in a manner hitherto unknown.”
    A second telecast followed that day, via radio transmission from Whippany, N.J. The telecasts demonstrated television’s potential as an adjunct to telephone service and as a medium for entertainment.”
    Whether FDR “got on TV to communicate his view of Wall St I don’t know, but he was telegraphing to NY newspapers on that subject during that 1929 Wall St wobble, and there was an intercity broadcast in New York on or around the crash date. Roosevelt was governor of NY at that time, but whether he was the speaker on that TV broadcast, I don’t know. It’s possible Biden knows something we don’t? or he’s confused? – meant telegraph instead of television? Anyway, it’s not a waaay out remark.

  207. I bet the next few days more of BO’s bandwagon will be calling the “R” word….not republican but the racist one!!!!

    Primed just before the debates…

  208. Bambi and Co. are definitely pumping the race card in anticipation of something about to come down the pike. Doubt it’s Wright (been there already)…whatever it is, must be something pretty damned good.

  209. OK biden might have got it 50% right…but in this internet age, BO did not speak up until 7 days later.

    And now he is chastising biden for speaking his mind on AIG…biden should have the right to say what he feels!!

  210. not necessarily that only…

    He has to prove that he did not go to Pakistan in his twenties on an indonesian passport as well

  211. it’s ridiculous that Dukakis thinks the McCain’s ad against Obama with Franklin Raines is racist – as bad as the Willie Horton ads…www.politickerma.com/jeremyjacobs/1251/dukakis-mccain-using-same-race-tactics-willie-horton-ad

    C’mon if Franklin Raines were white, would it suddenly be racist? I’m sure the Dems would’ve found some other reason that it would be.

  212. not to worry. His group of hackers and forgers have been busy bees…eliminating evidence…producing new documentation…pressuring the legal system to silence and oppress any naysayers.

  213. Idunn Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
    Bambi and Co. are definitely pumping the race card in anticipation of something about to come down the pike. Doubt it’s Wright (been there already)…whatever it is, must be something pretty damned good
    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    Could it be the Whitey tapes?

  214. Neeta, I wouldn’t think McCain would go there. But someone else might, for sure. I don’t know if I believe those tapes exist or not, to be honest. We’ll just have to wait and see, I guess.

  215. You know…the more I think about it, the Berg lawsuit would certaily fit the bill here. Media hasn’t touched it, but come tomorrow, they may HAVE to go there.

  216. Idunn,

    I am not sure, didn’t someone here say that O when asked while he was in Chicago some kind of form he had to say whether or not he had ever had a name change? Not sure if i am asking the right question.

  217. Is there any truth to the persistent rumor that when Obama becomes president he will issue an imperial decree that it be renamed the United States of Obama in his honor? Up goes the seal, down go the borders and suddenly its christmas time for teddy, georgie boy, daley, wall street, and I bet there is a pardon in rezkos christmas stocking. Yes, its a wonderful life.

  218. I am not sure, didn’t someone here say that O when asked while he was in Chicago some kind of form he had to say whether or not he had ever had a name change? Not sure if i am asking the right question
    ———————————————–
    His application for admission to the Illionis Bar Association through the Illionois Supreme Court–a mere detail.

  219. DNC and Obama are due to be deposed tomorrow in the Berg suit, yes?
    ———————————————
    Really! “The details of my birth are . . . . . . . murky . . . . . . and I have not had the courage to look into them”. High time you did Precious.

  220. 1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?
    2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
    3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?
    4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
    5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
    If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

  221. As I look back on the primary I reject the explanations proffered by main stream media. They are false and self serving.

    1. the level of cheating. (causes, rbc, superdel)

    2. the playing of the race card.

    Those were the real reasons. The campaign erred in not hitting back hard on those issues, in my opinion.

  222. If O’s lawyers produce a mess of false papers which have then to be investigated as to their authenticity, this thing could go on for months — meanwhile, does the election process continue till he is thoroughly investigated or is he stopped from continuing until his eligibility can be confirmed?

    and what happens to Dean and company for perpetrating this fraud on american public? in violation of constitution?
    and can the judge yank O out of his senate seat as well?

  223. and what about all the money contributed to his campaign? — does the party have to return contributors their money?

  224. I hope Berg can also ask about:

    – his travel to pakistan and which country’s passport he used
    – how he used to sign…were there different si8gnatures used at schools, colleges, work etc etc..

    Let’s face it…us women go thru so much hassle when/if we changes names when getting married and filling
    different forms etc.

  225. Question: The media is all over an “October surprise” for Palin’s “troopergate.” Why aren’t they all over this “September surprise?”

    Answer: Because the media will whitewash/coverup whatever takes place. The blame will be placed on the innocent. The wholesale trashing will begin and Obama will once again come out smelling like roses. Let the racist fallout begin…

  226. wbboei said: I suspect Hillary is setting the stage for this, give direction and give some spine to her invertebrate colleagues.
    ==============

    🙂

  227. If we could whistle up Judge Sirica, aka maximum john of watergate renoun then we could get to the bottom of this eligibility question real fast. Of course Bambi attornies might be spending a few nights in che lewisburg prison at pulblic expense for contempt of court but the truth would out. Unfortunatley most federal judges are not like that. They are more likely to temporize and pass the buck. Like Dick Durbin does.

  228. WHERE’S WALDOBAMA??

    CountTheVotes Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
    I was listening to an AM station and guest Bob Woodward was saying that Bush sometimes didn’t attend critical internal meetings on Iraq. It struck me right there and then, that I fully believe Obama would do the same – just delegate away the highest level decisions, show absolutely no leadership, and make everyone else do his work. He’s already doing that in the campaign – he’s MIA – when we’re in a crises working on his debate techniques instead of taking charge.
    &&&&&&

    CountTheVotes, yes, today, technically, he is MIA. Today’s NYTimes lists the campaign schedules of the candidates:

    1. John McCain: Strongsville and Middleburg, OH. Freeland, Mich.

    Busy guy. I wonder if it is completely a coincidence of the names of the town candidates select to visit.
    Strongsville. Middleburg. Freeland. If I was to name a town and wanted the national spotlight, it might be Statue-of-Libertyville. Or Intercourse, PA.

    2. Sara Palin: New York City.

    “Oh my God, it’s so busy. And all these people at the UN wearin’ funny clothes. How will I evah be ready to be vice president in only 45 days??? Me oh my”.

    Thanks for the report, NPR.

    3. Joe Biden: Just peeking my head out the window: Wash. DC. Wouldn’t want to overshadow The Boss.

    4. and finally, reminiscent of the scene from Animal House where Dean Wormer is ratting off the horrid grade point averages: “Daniel Simpson…has no grade point average. All incompletes” (said student rolls his eyes).

    Barack Hussein Obama: “no public schedule”.

    Hmmm, Palin meeting world leaders is “cramming for foreign policy experience”, and we should feel that she’s not qualified for veep. But we’ll excuse Obama for taking a whole day off, either to a) prepare for the debate (but we’re supposed to be unconcerned that he is NOT prepared to be Pres.) b) take the day off, because “Campaigning is hard. I’m tired. I can barely fit in two workouts a day”.

  229. and what happens to Dean and company for perpetrating this fraud on american public? in violation of constitution?
    ——————————————–
    dean is innocent. Remember? He doesn’t have cable tv.

  230. mp Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    MO has just been talking with mainly black audiences lately..
    &&&&&

    If he’s already pulling in 90% of the AA vote, isn’t this a waste of time? Or do they need to shore up the base?? Or would it be too embarrassing for her not to be on the campaign trail at all, so at least keep her out there in front of friendly audiences?

    Didn’t we think Bush was a dickhead for never answering real questions, and only doing “town halls” in front of hand-selected individuals??

  231. HillaryforTexas Says:
    rgb, links for your articles, please?
    =============

    If a person has already made a comment or read the comment string, it would be very helpful to post the url to the comment box. Some NYT articles don’t even take comments, or you have to look in some whole nother section.

    I dont’ usually put NYT stuff on PumaResponders if I’d have to seach for a comment facility when maybe the article doesn’t even have one.

  232. I saw CNN “hit piece” on Gov. Palin and the rape kit saga when she was the mayor of Wasilla and how they tried to gloss over other cities not paying for the rape kit too but how Wasilla chief of police made of fuss about how it was going to raise his budget 15 -20.000 per year.

    Also they did this phony in house meeting about covering the story b.s.and how Alaska has the highest ratio per capital in violence against women.

    But I think that will backfired on them because if the State legislature is investingating her for firing her commisioner for not firing her brother-law for violence against her sister, nephew and family member, then what does that says about the “ol boys clubs and culture” in Alaska?

    CNN and progressive groups can’t have it both ways.

  233. What these idiots do not understand, is that when, ANYONE goes into an emergency room, they are charged for services, or their insurance companies are billed for the services rendered. Gun shot or stabbing victims do not receive “free” services. The pt. is billed, or the insurance company is charged for the services.

    Hillary for Texas had a good posting about this, a few days ago. She is a nurse, I am a nurse, and we know, that everyone is charged for services rendered in an ER. If some counties, states, or cities are exempt from this, I would like to know.

  234. Someone asked about Chris Rock being a bot. If you all recall, at a fundraiser for BO during the primaries he told people not to vote for “that white woman.” Of course, the MSM ignored it.

    BTW, does anyone have clip/clips of Bill on Letterman? There’s one on Letterman’s Web site, but it’s only a few minutes long.

  235. I guess BO is preparing for the debate, which is why he has no public schedule. Does that mean he’s cramming for three-plus days???

  236. Sarah Palin Has Pollsters Scratching Their Heads
    By Peggy Simpson, The Women’s Media Center
    Posted on September 23, 2008, Printed on September 23, 2008

    The Sarah Surge is unmistakable. GOP presidential nominee John McCain’s support rose markedly after he named Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate — although after two solid weeks of Palin-all-the-time media attention, McCain still hasn’t broken 50 percent.

    Republicans now are far more fervent backers of McCain, a candidate that the religious right and social conservatives opposed in past races and were lukewarm about in this one. Post-Palin, Republicans’ strong backing of McCain nearly has doubled, from 39 percent in July to 71 percent in September, in a Newsweek poll.

    Palin also appears to generate a backlash. The Newsweek poll showed that 29 percent of all voters said Palin would make them more likely to vote for McCain but 22 percent said it made them less likely.

    It’s hard to decipher the path of voters who had strongly backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

    One widely quoted Clinton activist who had criticized the Democratic Party’s treatment of Hillary last summer and had publicly backed McCain now has withdrawn that support. Reba Shimansky said in a statement that “the Palin selection may have energized the GOP base but it hurts him with independents. I would have voted for McCain if he made a sensible choice for VP like Ridge, which would have shown that he was willing to stand up to the rightwing crackpots in his party.” Now, she’ll sit out the general election.

    Some national polls — notably a Washington Post-ABC survey two weeks ago — showed a big movement of white women from Obama to McCain. That was not reflected in another national survey by pollsters at the Wall Street Journal/NBC. The Gallup pollsters entered the fray to say that in their daily overnight tracking polls, they have not detected any major movement by female voters.

    Just before the Democratic convention, in Gallup’s August 20-22 survey, white women broke 47-40 percent for McCain over Obama. After the unveiling of Palin and her speech to the GOP convention, the support of white women moved up slightly toward McCain, 51-40, in the September 5-8 survey, with no loss in backing for Obama. That resembled the movement by white men for McCain, which went from 56-36 to 59-34 percent in the same time period. The Newsweek poll this weekend showed a bigger bounce for McCain among white women: from 44 to 39 percent in July to 53 to 37 percent in early September.

    Only now is Palin becoming known to the general population. She got off-the-chart applause for her convention speech, delivering sarcasm and zingers with a self-confidence she also showed in her first national TV interview with Charles Gibson.

    Activists on both sides are the first to respond, knowing her personal views and, to a lesser extent, her record as mayor and as governor. The social conservatives are signing up in droves to volunteer for McCain-Palin. Feminist activists and those on the center-left began donating in record amounts to the Obama-Biden campaign, raising its fundraising take for August to $66 million.

    Another insight to the Palin phenomena comes from the Democratic firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research.

    Palin gets higher favorable marks from men than women. Their recent survey shows that 45 percent of men rate her favorably, 31 percent unfavorably. Women hold a 42 percent favorable, 36 percent unfavorable view.

    There definitely is a gender breakdown by race and marital status, however.

    Married women give Palin a favorable vote by 49 percent, versus 37 percent who don’t like her. It’s the reverse for women who never married, are divorced or widowed: 32 percent like her, 38 percent don’t.

    Greenberg Quinlan also finds the same slight movement to McCain of older white women. He leads among white married women, 55-42 percent, and unmarried women back Obama by a narrowing margin, 49-45 percent.

    But national tracking polls tell only part of the story. A poll of swing states by Quinnipiac University showed Palin had minimal impact in states where the economy is tough, such as Ohio. Palin was helping McCain expand his lead in Florida and narrow the margin in Pennsylvania, but Obama was holding his own in Ohio and still leading in Pennsylvania.

    And, in Ohio, Palin had a favorability rating of only 41 percent.

    http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/99989/sarah_palin_has_pollsters_scratching_their_heads/

  237. Since we know the media is in the tank for Obama. It is getting really interesting on how they want to boycott Gov. Palin for not wanting them to be inside of her meetings with world leaders.

    The McCain-Palin should only do the photo ops and leave them outside but no CNN producer was invited and he reported that they only talked about Karzi’ son.

    The media don’t won’t to let Gov. Palin get any face time with world leaders and have her talk to them about substance.

  238. What I see happening instead is that the Obama-Biden ticket is in meltdown, while McCain-Palin team is getting better and better.

    The MSM and Obama supporters are trying to destroy Palin here and in Alaska.

  239. Democrats for McCain
    Posted by Mark Naymik September 23, 2008 14:16PM

    Republican presidential candidate John McCain picked up several Democratic fundraisers at Baldwin Wallace College, led by Tony George.

    George and others rode on a bus to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport with McCain. During the ride, George said they talked about several issues, including children with disabilities.

    George said after getting off the bus that he supports McCain because George made a promise to former Republican U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine that if Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic primary, George would support McCain.

    George added that he also likes the McCain ticket because, like McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin, George also has a child with Down’s Syndrome.

    Jay Lucarelli, president of the MinuteMen human resources firm, said his support of McCain is not based on politics. Lucarelli also has a special needs child. Lucarelli was with George during the bus trip.

    George said that he is helping to lead a fundraiser with Palin, scheduled for Oct. 10 in Northeast Ohio.

    “Sen. Obama will regret not picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate,” said George, who pledged to help raise at least a half-million dollars at the Palin event.

    blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/09/democrats_for_mccain.html

  240. Evangelical leader urges students to vote in Va.
    By SUE LINDSEY | Associated Press Writer
    September 23, 2008

    ROANOKE, Va. – In the battleground state of Virginia, Jerry Falwell Jr. has an ambitious plan to get more than 10,000 students registered to vote at Liberty University, the conservative Christian school that his father founded.

    As pundits debate whether Democrat Barack Obama can inspire enough young voters to help put him in the White House, Falwell hopes to mobilize college students more likely to support the GOP’s John McCain/Sarah Palin ticket in November.

    The key, said Falwell, is to get students at Liberty registered to vote, and registered in Lynchburg, the university’s hometown.

    “If they register here, they’re more likely to vote,” said Falwell, who succeeded his evangelist father as chancellor of the university.
    continue…..

    http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va–youngchristianvot0923sep23,0,669518.story

  241. okay, it took me awhile but I have now figured it out–why obama is in his own words a free trader: it is because a government official in a free trade enviornment he doesnt have to do anything because the invisilble hand of god does the heavy lifting–as we are seeing now.

    Lazy does not begin to describe it. Sounds like a good time for another “well earned vacation” in Hawaii and a frantic search for a good birth certificate forger/

  242. Journalists covering McCain grow frustrated with ‘No-Talk Express’
    Submitted by jonathan on Tue, 2008-09-23 10:00. Journalistic Practice
    by Steve Schmidt, Huffington Post

    Relations between John McCain and the press corps that was once described as his “base” have fully deteriorated. After an appearance in Strongsville, Ohio, on Tuesday, the Senator blissfully ignored questions about the bailout plan from nearby reporters, prompting one journalist to scream out: “Has your bus become the No Talk Express?”

    McCain offered a smirk at the line but kept on walking. “Ok, pool, back to the vans!” said an aide. “That was fun.”

    The outburst came as the press pool accompanying vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin nearly revolted on Tuesday, after the campaign banned reporters from covering her first meetings with world leaders, in favor of photographers and a singular television news crew.

    Reporters have also sharply criticized the GOP ticket for avoiding questions from the Fourth Estate. It’s been 40 days since the Senator has taken a question from a national reporter, though word leaked out today that McCain is planning his first press conference since August 13. Gov. Sarah Palin, meanwhile, has yet to host a press availability.

    “The woman seeking to be to a heartbeat away from the presidency without ever holding a press conference remains on the same relatively unaccountable path,” ABC’s Jake Tapper wrote on his blog. “McCain-Palin campaign officials apparently feel the American people should trust her with the button and the world’s financial markets without ever taking questions from reporters.”

    The McCain campaign has also complained bitterly about a purported double standard in the coverage of Obama. On Monday, campaign strategist Steve Schmidt chastised the New York Times as a non-journalistic institution for writing on the lobbying work campaign manager Rick Davis did on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Later that day, spokesman Brian Rogers accused Politico reporter Ben Smith of being “in the tank” for Obama, simply because Smith asked the campaign to verify claims it was making about the Illinois Democrat’s character and biography.

    reclaimthemedia.org/journalistic_practice/journalists_covering_mccain_gr%3D6204

  243. carby: After the disgraceful way the media has behaved and treated Palin, I don’t blame the McCain campaign for not talking with the press. Why do it, when all they do is lie, produce negatively biased editing, distort the facts, ridicule the candidate, attack her family, her character, etc., etc. It is terrible, and is such a double standard, it is sickening.

  244. texan4hillary Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 am
    johnmccain.com
    uh oh-obama is trying to attack mccain on reform despite obama never reforming anything. so team mccain pulled this gem from obama in 2006-
    Obama at 2006 press conference on the Honest Leadership Act:
    “There is one person who’s been consistent on reform issues, and that’s been John McCain.”
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Obama’s Ever-Changing Exterior Persona:

    This would appear to be Obama doing his post-partisan, I’m-above-politics, winning-over-even-Repubs act. He put that hat on when trying to make Hillary the Divisive One. Then, after he and DNC stole the nomination by short-circuiting this quaint tradition that we have, called “voting”, he then had to completely reverse course. Now we’re supposed to believe he’s a fighter and a populist.

    Obama’s Ever-Changing Inner Values:

    Throughout the primaries, he was the walking laundry list of liberal talking points, most things we believe in. After June, he’s thrown that all out the window.

    Obama vs. Obama

    In neither pre-coronation (in June, I’m not talking about the general) nor post-coronation did the two juxtoposed Obamas make sense:

    a) Pre-June: “I’m a populist, but not one of those fighting populists, I’m above politics. Let’s fill an arena and chant empty slogans”.

    b) post-June: “I’m a centrist. I’m a fighter for centrist causes, like giving in to Repubs on drilling, FISA, etc. I’ll stand up to them as I give in to every one of their demands”

    Obama vs. Us

    a) Middle of the roaders are left with a confusing message. Since June, independents and Dems have slowly but steadily migrated toward McCain.

    b) For the real Dem insiders, those who’ve gone door-to-door in Novenmbers, made phone calls, we saw how the DNC tore down the party. We are angry enough to vote Repub, many for the first time (Me!)

    c) And Obama promised the DNC that he’d share the Obamabooty with the party to build the party. He said he’d campaign with down ticket folks to ensure that he’d be president of a ruling majority. Now that he’s flat broke and has to raise never-enough money, that’s gone too.

    d) Repubs are now energized, and are more optimistic about their chances in Congress and White House.

    So because he couldn’t let down those people close to him, who told him in 2007, “Now’s your time, it may be your best chance”, he’ll wind up a discredited losing candidate, one who dragged his party down with him.

  245. question:

    dems arguing that Roe vs Wade will be a huge deal-breaker for not voting for McCain. I’m just wondering if this shouldn’t apply as well to AA Christians who are thinking of voting Obama?

  246. An exchange clearly heard above the clicking of cameras involved Karzai’s son, born in January 2007.

    “What is his name?” Palin asked.

    “Mirwais,” Karzai responded. “Mirwais, which means, ‘The Light of the House.'”

    “Oh, nice,” Palin said.

    ———-

    Well, I sure hope to god that the ever vigilant media talking heads devote an entire Sunday morning to clucking about whether Karzai is neglecting his responsibility to his family by serving as Afghanistan’s leader. I really think he should concentrate on cooking, cleaning, and tending to those diapers.

  247. The McCain campaign has also complained bitterly about a purported double standard in the coverage of Obama. On Monday, campaign strategist Steve Schmidt chastised the New York Times as a non-journalistic institution for writing on the lobbying work campaign manager Rick Davis did on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Later that day, spokesman Brian Rogers accused Politico reporter Ben Smith of being “in the tank” for Obama, simply because Smith asked the campaign to verify claims it was making about the Illinois Democrat’s character and biography.
    ———————————————-
    Here is the deal.

    We have three branches of government. Two of them are democratically elected and the third is appointed by democratically elected officials. Thus, the people have some say in how they behave.

    And then we have the fourth estate, the press who are accountable to no one–not even their audience as the case study of msnbc proves.

    The executive branch has the power of the sword, the legislative branch has the power of the purse, the judicial branch has the power of the pen and thepress has only the power of truth–which they have squandered in this election.

    They cannot abide the idea that they would not be in the middle of every important decision, that the administration would defer to their much flawed opinions and biases–that they would be effectively frozen out.

    But when they forsake the truth, when they are shackled by their bias and refuse to take honest feedback from anyohn including their audience why should anyone reserve a seat from them at the table? And why should we listen to them/

  248. Rolling Stone Throbs With Hate for Palin and The American People
    By Tim Graham (Bio | Archive)
    September 23, 2008 – 14:22 ET

    It’s utterly predictable that the aging-hippie magazine Rolling Stone would publish an article titled “Mad Dog Palin” with a cartoon of Alaska’s governor as a female bulldog with spiky teeth. It’s predictable their staff attack dog Matt Taibbi would find her “symphony of sneering remarks at the convention was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.” What may not be predictable in this Year of Obama is their arrogant Bill Maher-esque lack of faith in the idiotic American people. This is their version of Palin and her populace:

    She’s a puffed-up dimwit with primitive religious beliefs who had to be educated as to the fact that the Constitution did not exactly envision government executives firing librarians. Judging from the importance progressive critics seem to attack to these revelations, you’d think these were actually negatives in modern American politics. But Americans like politicians who hate books and see the face of Jesus in every tree stump. They like them stupid and mean and ignorant of the rules. Which is why Palin has only seemed to grow in popularity as more and more of these revelations have come out.

    Since the Sixties rag is utterly in the tank for Obama, readers also find this comparison:

    So sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much a slick piece of imagineering as Sarah Palin. The difference is in what the image represents. The Obama image represents tolerance, intelligence, education, patience with the notion of compromise and negotiation, and a willingness to stare ugly facts right in the face, all qualities we’re actually going to need in government if we’re going to get out of this huge mess we’re in.

    Here’s what Sarah Palin represents: being a fat f—ing pig who pins “Country First” buttons on his man titties and chants “U-S-A! U-S-A!” at the top of his lungs while his kids live off credit cards and Saudis buy up all the mortages in Kansas.

    Taibbi greeted enthusiasm for Palin at the convention in St. Paul as the unveiling of deep cynicism:

    Here’s the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.
    continue…..

    newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/09/23/rolling-stone-throbs-hate-palin-american-people

  249. “Palin, her legs crossed and at one point patting her heart, was leaning in eagerly and smiling.”

    ———

    Just shoot me now!

    These effin’ pool reporters write whether Governor Palin had her legs crossed and then complains when the McCain camp calls them losers and bars them from events?

    Have you ever read a national media report on whether Obama had his legs crossed?

    Give me a break.

  250. BO would not cross his legs….he would have a wide stance with his “you know what” juttin out!!!!

    And this would send a tingle down those reporters (men annd women) legs!!!!!

  251. when schmidt says the nyt is a non-journalistic institution I think what he really means if they are a propanda mill no different that Pravda and Isvestia for the obama campaingn. He’s right. They are the same people who gave us Bush and the Iraq War. If you went to a lawyer and he lost every case you gave him, if you went to a tax accountant and everytime you got audited and were forced to pay back taxes, interest and penalties–would you continue going back to them? That is the position the press is in today an unlike before there are options. I am the most computer illiterate guy in the world, never learned to type and yet they have forced me to find this world and learn new skills just to escape their bullshit. I no longer watch tv–and I am not alone.

  252. McCain Nails the NYTimes

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/us/politics/23times.html?scp=1&sq=%22mccain%20camp%20takes%20issue%22&st=cse

    McCain Camp Takes Issue With Times Coverage

    The McCain campaign lashed out at The New York Times on Monday, accusing it of dropping its journalistic standards and being “150 percent in the tank” for Senator Barack Obama.

    In a conference call with reporters, Steve Schmidt, Senator John McCain’s senior campaign adviser, was asked about an article in The Times on Monday reporting that Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had been paid nearly $2 million by Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to head a group devoted to defend the mortgage giants against the imposition of stricter regulations.

    Asked about the article, Mr. Davis, who was on the call, said the group’s sole function was to promote home ownership. But Mr. Schmidt criticized The Times for its coverage.

    “Whatever the New York Times once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization,” Mr. Schmidt said. He added, “This is an organization that is completely, totally, 150 percent in the tank for the Democratic candidate, which is their prerogative to be.”

    He added, “Everything that is read in The New York Times that attacks this campaign should be evaluated by the American people from that perspective.”

    Bill Keller, executive editor of The Times, responded in a statement: “The New York Times is committed to covering the candidates fully, fairly and aggressively. It’s our job to ask hard questions, fact-check their statements and their advertising, examine their programs, positions, biographies and advisers. Candidates and their campaign operatives are not always comfortable with that level of scrutiny, but it’s what our readers expect and deserve.”

  253. Student Suspected of Hacking Palin’s Email Hires Attorney

    Democratic State Rep. Mike Kernell of Memphis said Tuesday his 20-year-old son David, a University of Tennessee student, has retained a Knoxville, Tenn., attorney.
    Tuesday, September 23, 2008

    (UPI) – A Tennessee state legislator whose son is reportedly being investigated for hacking Gov. Sarah Palin’s e-mails says the college student has hired an attorney.

    Democratic State Rep. Mike Kernell of Memphis said Tuesday his 20-year-old son David, a University of Tennessee student, has retained a Knoxville, Tenn., attorney after reports indicated FBI agents searched the student’s apartment during the weekend, The Memphis Commercial Appeal reported.

    The U.S. Department of Justice confirmed Monday that investigators had been in Knoxville to investigate reports that a computer hacker had broken into the personal e-mail account of Palin, the Republican U.S. vice presidential nominee and Alaska governor.

    Mike Kernell would not confirm that his son was being investigated in connection with the hacking incident, the Commercial Appeal said, but he denounced suggestions that he and his son were part of a Democratic conspiracy to embarrass Palin.

    “Did I take part in a conspiracy? No,” he said. “I was informed of this situation Thursday morning for the first time.”

    http://www.570wsyr.com/cc-common/news/sections/lifestylearticle.html?feed=104774&article=4288182
    *****************************************************
    See how fast this boy gets thrown under the Obama bus.

  254. Evidently the mccain-palin campaign on behalf of the people of this country and reform of the system threatens the media establishment like nothing they have ever seen before–not even in the Nixon era. They are behaving like a wolf under a full moon–lunatic.We were going to do some things which were impotant but decided to hold off right now because of the media has gone stark raving mad.

  255. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
    HillaryforTexas Says:
    rgb, links for your articles, please?
    =============

    If a person has already made a comment or read the comment string, it would be very helpful to post the url to the comment box. Some NYT articles don’t even take comments, or you have to look in some whole nother section.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    I’ll try to be nice and provide links. But the tiny section, “THE CANDIDATES TODAY”, where they are, I got from my newspaper. Maybe it’s hidden in there somewhere on their web page.

    Alas, despite finding the Times a mere shadow of itself, the Crossword puzzle is the wench that keeps calling me back. She looks so seksy, with her clues and vulnerable empty squares. On Monday, she’s a little innocent schoolgirl, easy to figure out. By mid-week, she’s in college. By Saturday, she’s a dominatrix. And Sunday is the marathon.

    Damn you, Times Crossword puzzle. And God bless you, Will Shortz.

  256. No Palin hacking indictment in Chattanooga

    Posted: 2:47 PM Sep 23, 2008
    Last Updated: 2:47 PM Sep 23, 2008

    David Christopher Kernell

    ACHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — A federal grand jury in Chattanooga ended its Tuesday meeting without indicting a Tennessee lawmaker’s son in an investigation of someone hacking Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s personal e-mail.

    Investigators last week searched 20-year-old David Kernell’s apartment in Knoxville, where he is a student at the University of Tennessee, but no charges have been filed. Kernell’s father is Democratic state Rep. Michael Kernell.

    Justice Department spokeswoman Laura Sweeney declined comment about the grand jury but said the “government’s inquiry into this matter is ongoing.”

    A Maryville attorney and three young adults who arrived early Tuesday to go behind closed doors with the grand jury in Chattanooga refused to give their names and afterward were secretly escorted out a back door at the courthouse.

    Kernell and his father have not returned repeated phone calls from the AP since last week.

    http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/29630719.html

  257. No Palin hacking indictment in Chattanooga

    Posted: 2:47 PM Sep 23, 2008
    Last Updated: 2:47 PM Sep 23, 2008

    David Christopher Kernell

    ACHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — A federal grand jury in Chattanooga ended its Tuesday meeting without indicting a Tennessee lawmaker’s son in an investigation of someone hacking Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s personal e-mail.

    Investigators last week searched 20-year-old David Kernell’s apartment in Knoxville, where he is a student at the University of Tennessee, but no charges have been filed. Kernell’s father is Democratic state Rep. Michael Kernell.

    Justice Department spokeswoman Laura Sweeney declined comment about the grand jury but said the “government’s inquiry into this matter is ongoing.”

    A Maryville attorney and three young adults who arrived early Tuesday to go behind closed doors with the grand jury in Chattanooga refused to give their names and afterward were secretly escorted out a back door at the courthouse.

    Kernell and his father have not returned repeated phone calls from the AP since last week.

  258. McCain Holds 6-point Lead Over Obama in SC According to Latest Poll
    By Russell Bradley
    Published: September 23, 2008

    A Rasmussen Poll taken late last week across SC has John McCain holding on to a 6-point lead, 51%-45%, over Barack Obama. In June, shortly after Obama sealed the Democratic nomination, McCain enjoyed a 9-point advantage across SC. Rasmussen Markets data gives McCain a 95% percent chance of winning SC, which is one reason why the Obama campaign has generally ignored the state since the primaries, focusing on North Carolina and Georgia. The state is currently ranked as “Safely Republican” in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator.

    According to the report, McCain is viewed favorably by 57% of likely voters; Obama 51%. Fifty percent say McCain made the right choice with Sarah Palin as his running mate, while 37% say Obama made the right choice with Joe Biden.

    As far as the current President’s popularity ratings, Bush earned 58% of the vote in the state four years ago; today only 34% say he is doing an excellent or good job.

    The telephone survey of 500 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on September 18th, The margin of error is +/- 4.5 percent.

    http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/politics/article/mccain_holds_6_point_lead_over_obama_in_sc_in_latest_poll/8837/

  259. Missouri poll: Obama behind
    Nixon leads Hulshof in gubernatorial race.

    Published Tuesday, September 23, 2008
    ST. LOUIS (AP) – A new poll shows Republican presidential nominee John McCain holds a slight lead over Democrat Barack Obama in Missouri.

    The results show McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate is helping his cause.

    The poll – conducted last week by Research 2000, a Maryland-based polling firm, for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and KMOV-TV – also shows Democrat Jay Nixon leading Republican Kenny Hulshof in the race for governor.

    Among the 800 likely Missouri voters polled last week, 49 percent favored McCain compared to 45 percent for Obama. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

    A similar Research 2000 poll conducted in July showed Obama ahead in Missouri, 48 percent to 43 percent.

    McCain improved his standing among fellow Republicans as well as independents.

    In the July poll, 81 percent of Republicans supported McCain. Now that figure is 88 percent. Independents polled in July leaned toward Obama. This time, they leaned toward McCain.

    In both Missouri polls, Obama was seen as more trustworthy when it comes to handling the economy. But this time, the Democrat’s edge over McCain is far less (5 percentage points) than it was in the summer (16 percentage points).

    Meanwhile, McCain continues to hold a double-digit lead when those polled were asked who they trusted more in handling international affairs and the U.S. campaign against terrorism.

    The Missourians polled last week gave Obama their strongest marks – a 17 percentage-point edge – when it came to health care.

    Research 2000 pollster Del Ali said McCain’s stronger standing on national security is the main reason why Missouri voters lean slightly toward him.

    But voters’ rising fears about the economy could change the state contest quickly, Ali added, especially if Obama continues to be seen as more trustworthy on economic matters.

    The economy was cited as voters’ top issue in determining their vote for president.

    As a bloc, women polled lean slightly toward Obama – but their preference is far below the double-digit lead that Obama had among Missouri women in July. Pollster Ali gives part of the credit to Palin, McCain’s vice presidential choice.

    Among the Missouri Republicans polled, almost half said they were more likely to support McCain because of Palin. In contrast, just over a quarter of the Democrats polled said the same about Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

    In the other big contest in Missouri, the poll shows Nixon, the attorney general, leading Hulshof, the Ninth District congressman, 50 percent to 43 percent.

    Nixon increased his favorable rating to 58 percent from 56 percent, and his unfavorability rating went down since the last poll in July, Ali noted.

    In the other statewide contests on the ballot Nov. 4, Missourians polled gave Democratic candidates the edge for attorney general and secretary of state and Republicans were leading for lieutenant governor and treasurer.

    The latest poll showed Hulshof has made some headway with independent voters, but Nixon is still ahead, 52 percent to 40 percent, with 5 percent of independents undecided.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Sep/20080923News021.asp

  260. Email from Hillary to me…She’s working for down ticket Dems. Someone will have to be there Nov. 5th to pick up the mess after the Obama people are done trashing the Dem party:
    &&&

    Dear Roger,

    When Barack Obama and Joe Biden are in the White House next year, they’re going to need all the help they can get to change Washington. While we do everything we can to help them win, we have to focus on races down the ticket, too.

    That’s why I’m proud to announce the first three U.S. House candidates HillPAC will be supporting for 2008: Rep. Chris Carney of Pennsylvania’s 10th District, Dina Titus, running for Congress in Nevada’s 3rd District and Rep. Ed Towns of New York’s 10th District.

    Chris, Dina and Ed represent the values we have fought so hard for over the course of this election. They stand up for every American’s right to live up to their God-given potential. They’ll provide a voice for all the people who have been invisible to George Bush and John McCain.
    (snip)

  261. carbynew Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
    McCain Holds 6-point Lead Over Obama in SC According to Latest Poll
    By Russell Bradley
    Published: September 23, 2008

    A Rasmussen Poll taken late last week across SC has John McCain holding on to a 6-point lead, 51%-45%, over Barack Obama
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    I saw a different poll on SC, showing McCain up by 22%. I don’t recall which poll, but it like yesterday.

  262. How Sarah Got McCain’s Groove Back
    By WILLIAM MCGURN

    If it hadn’t been for Sarah Palin, the last word on John McCain might have belonged to Paris Hilton.

    When Sen. McCain ran an ad suggesting a parallel between Ms. Hilton and Barack Obama, the celebrity socialite was quick to respond. In a good-natured riposte playing off her own caricature, the swimsuit-clad Ms. Hilton characterized Mr. McCain as a “white-haired dude” from “the olden days.”

    Fair or not, Ms. Hilton zeroed in on a critical McCain weakness: a feeling that his day has come and gone. For their part, McCain supporters have always believed that their Vietnam War hero would crush Sen. Obama in any debate. But it has always been equally plausible that Mr. McCain might give better answers and still leave too many voters asking, “Who is this old guy — and why is he being so cranky to that nice young man?”

    Until Sarah Palin.

    By putting Alaska’s governor on the ticket, Mr. McCain rallied his base while making a significant overture to women and Independents. But the Palin pick does something even more important for Mr. McCain. At a time when the GOP nominee finds himself in much the same position Richard Nixon did in 1960 — the candidate of wrinkly experience facing off against the candidate of youthful optimism — Mrs. Palin channels hope and good cheer into a running mate who badly needs it.

    Tina Fey picked up on this cheerfulness in her “Saturday Night Live” lampoon. Perhaps the skit was meant to show the governor as a ditz. But what Americans see is a working mom who pays the mortgage, pumps the gas, enjoys her husband and children and offers no hint of self-importance. So while Joe Biden (according to the Associated Press) has been speaking before crowds numbering in the “hundreds,” 60,000 people showed up for a Florida Palin rally on Sunday.

    Even making allowances for friendly territory, this appeal has elicited comparisons with Ronald Reagan. Though it is far too soon to compare her achievements to his, Mrs. Palin does exude the same sense of America as a land of goodness and opportunity. She sends her son to Iraq and hopes for victory. She talks about a benevolent God plainly and without embarrassment. And when she speaks on issues like taxes, she does so in a language that resonates with her fellow Americans.

    Here’s how she put it in her acceptance speech: “My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that’s now opened for business — like millions of others who run small businesses. How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up?”

    Good question. Even worse for Democrats, not only is Mrs. Palin bringing her optimism to the ticket, she seems to be taking it from Mr. Obama. Throughout the hard-fought Democratic primaries, Mr. Obama maintained his cool even in the face of some tough Bill and Hill tag-teaming. The way he shrugged off attacks was a huge part of his appeal.

    But now Mr. Obama seems to be exchanging his JFK face for a Bob Dole mask. His campaign sends out email after email complaining of McCain “lies.” He makes an ill-advised joke about lipstick on a pig that his audience clearly applauds as a snarky put-down of Mrs. Palin, and he does not have the grace (or good sense) simply to apologize and move on. Just last week, he told supporters to “argue and get in their face” when they talk to those who do not share their political affiliation.
    This is not the Barack Obama who inspired millions. This is not the Barack Obama who is likely to persuade all those white working-class Hillary voters that he respects their values and will look out for their interests.
    In short, Mr. Obama needs to relearn the lesson that propelled him to a historic nomination: cheerful and optimistic generally trumps cranky.

    Mr. McCain could take a lesson too. If Mr. Obama’s impulse is to tax anything that prospers, Mr. McCain often gives the impression that his is to court-martial it. Indeed, after a postconvention Palin bounce in which he showed his happy warrior side, Mr. McCain appears to have reverted back to Paris Hilton’s wrinkly white-haired dude — especially with recent rhetoric that makes American business leaders sound like the Taliban.

    Choosing Mrs. Palin was a gutsy move. Now Mr. McCain needs to take full advantage of it. That means appearing as often as possible with a running mate whose optimism makes him look more confident and hopeful. That means letting her become the symbol of a reformed and re-branded Republican Party. Most of all, it means that when the GOP nominee for president finds himself next to this extraordinary woman, he remembers to put on a pretty face for the cameras.

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122212766824265331.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122212766824265331.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

  263. Idunn,

    Very interesting. We were saying that, yesterday, too. My thoughts were it could be a premptory strike to control the narrative in case of a Nov. 4th loss.

    But you think something’s out there that will portray BO as racist?
    Tell us more.
    “Bambi and Co. are definitely pumping the race card in anticipation of something about to come down the pike. Doubt it’s Wright (been there already)…whatever it is, must be something pretty damned good”

  264. William made a comment on tm several months back that Hillary is the last great Roosevelt liberal left on the stage. Times make the man or in this case the woman. There is no one better than Hillary to find a path through this mess. Obama needs to stay out of the way and let the people who know what they are doing fix it. The fact that he is studying for the debates and doesnt intend to act until he becomes president means he will not be in a position to fuck it up which is good.

  265. Palin takes Manhattan
    Tue, 09/23/2008 – 4:16pm
    Getty Images

    Call it foreign-affairs speed dating: In a meet-and-greet whirlwind set to last no longer than 30 hours, Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin is in the midst of her “coming out” to foreign-policy society at the United Nations General Assembly.

    The introductions began last night with a cocktail party thrown by none other than Pres. George W. Bush at Manhattan’s famous Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Among those she’s met or is scheduled to meet are Afghan Pres. Hamid Karzai, Iraqi Pres. Jalal Talabani, Colombian Pres. Álvaro Uribe, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and U2’s rockstar-turned-activist, Bono.

    These fleeting encounters have the potential to backfire, but there might be more to glean from Palin’s “must meet” list than from any gaffes. James Bone of the Times, for instance, points out that her meetings with Georgian Pres. Mikheil Saakashvili and Ukrainian Pres. Victor Yushchenko are “a gesture towards a revanchist Russia,” and notes that nowhere on her agenda was there a representative of Britain. So, while this dance may be fleeting — those looking for clues about Palin’s diplomatic capabilities and the McCain camp’s foreign-policy intentions should pay close attention.

    blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/9864

  266. I have alot of fun here with Biden but I do agree he is a good man. You may recall when she went to the state of the union and bambi turned his back on her as he stood next to kennedy, biden offered her a place to sit with him. Of the original 7 candidates he was my number 2 choice.

  267. Berkeley Vox,

    NBC and the rest of the media in Obama’s pocket could care less if they are in hot water. They got their message of mockery out there and that is all that matters to them.

  268. Disgusting — Saturday Night Live is in hot water, as they should be, for their tasteless joke on this weekend’s episode about Todd Palin, his daughters, and incest. NBC’s hateful misogyny continues
    ——————————————–
    Q: berkely- by your lights will this cause a voter backlash. This stuff should turn off alot of people but it is part of an effort by bambi to subject her to the death of a thousand cuts. The public should revolt against this sort of thing. Is there any evidence of this?

  269. wbboei Says:

    September 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
    William made a comment on tm several months back that Hillary is the last great Roosevelt liberal left on the stage. Times make the man or in this case the woman. There is no one better than Hillary to find a path through this mess. Obama needs to stay out of the way and let the people who know what they are doing fix it. The fact that he is studying for the debates and doesnt intend to act until he becomes president means he will not be in a position to fuck it up which is good.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Hillary was “studying for the debates” (back in 2007 and 2008) for years. As First Lady. As Senator, she was a policy wonk, just like Bill, and just like Al. Bill was a natural, but the man could cite statistics, and then turn them into a compelling narrative. I thought we all saw Hillary growing, starting back in 1999 or 2000 when she stated that she was going to run for Senator of NY. And she continued to grow, and learn, and lead. Right now, she’s making the best of her current situation, and defending as best she can the good name of the Democrats, and in doing so, her own good name and reputation.

    Obama? Not so much.

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