Kernell Of Truth

Obama and his Chicago thugs are quite simply that: thugs.

The head thug: Barack Obama. Co-thug: Michelle Obama.

Obama reiterated his marching orders to his army of thugs yesterday:

In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

The army of thugs understands. Obama’s army of thugs have harrassed pro-Hillary websites. Obama’s army of thugs threatened riots if Obama did not get the nomination. Obama’s army of thugs threaten riots if Obama does not get elected.

Obama’s army of thugs take their orders from Obama the thug.

Democratic Rep. Mike Kernell of Tennessee unveiled the hacker who broke into Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s e-mail—his 20-year-old son, David Kernell. [snip]

Internet chat rooms posted e-mails from David Kernell—who had not been publicly identified as the hacker at that point—in which he said that the intrusion started off as a “prank” but then he tried to get some dirt on Palin.

“I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be,” the e-mails said. “I read though the e-mails ALL OF THEM before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor and pictures of her family.” [snip]

Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton called the hacking “outrageous.” Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz said, “The fact that a Democratic activist—and possibly an Obama supporter—could go to these lengths is deeply disturbing and criminal,” according to The New York Post.

It started long ago with Obama press secretary Ben LaBolt and his roommate Phil de Vellis. Obama’s thugs have been hard at work for a long time.

Thuggery, race-baiting? Obama’s thugs are on the job:

In fact, the play wears its politically VERY correct heart on its sleeve with its indictment of America as “A Man’s World, It’s a White Man’s World, It’s a F–ked Up White Man’s Racist World” and can only be suggested to be racist in its content if one is hell-bent on protecting White Folk for Sandra’s blistering indictment.When Sandra warns Sarah Palin not to come into Manhattan lest she get gang-raped by some of Sandra’s big black brothers, she’s being provocative, combative, humorous, and yes, let’s allow, disgusting.

It was disgusting when Republican Jesse Helm advised President Clinton not to go to North Carolina for fear of assasination. It is also disgusting when such language is used against a woman simply for political advantage.

Michelle Obama slimed Hillary Clinton by saying “if you can’t run your own house, you can’t run the White House”. Michelle Obama delights in smearing and sliming opponents (tactics she learned after years serving the Chicago machine) and afterwards feigning innocence.

Now Michelle Obama is up to her old dirty tricks and insults while denying they are tricks and insults:

Michelle Obama asked voters Thursday to make their choice on the issues, not because, “I like that guy” or, “she’s cute.”

Might she be talking about Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin?

“I’m talking about me,” she said with a smile.

Barack Obama’s wife, however, is not on the ticket in the presidential election. Palin is.

Michelle Obama is part of a concerted effort involving her husband, his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to neutralize the appeal that Palin has brought to John McCain’s ticket for some female voters. They are doing so unmistakably but gingerly, so as to not appear sexist or invite another lipstick-on-a-pig tempest.

But, perhaps, not gingerly enough.

Michelle Obama’s remarks came at a women’s roundtable on the economy. She told the audience of 600 that her husband is the only candidate focused on equal pay, health care, affordable college, teacher recruitment and other issues of concern to women. She said that’s what the election should be about.

People shouldn’t make a decision this time based on, ‘I like that guy’ or ‘she’s cute,'” she said.

The line won a big round of applause. Before it subsided, she interjected: “And I’m talking about me.”

Wink, Wink, from Michelle. Wink, Wink “pig on a lipstick”. Oink, Oink.

Barack and Michelle are trying to bamboozle women voters. Women voters know Obama can’t be trusted. But Barack and Michelle continue to try to bamboozle:

Barack Obama told supporters in a memo this week that “women voters could decide this election“—words that have amounted to marching orders. Biden has been talking about what Obama would do to help women achieve pay equity with men, a subject Obama is highlighting in TV and radio ads.

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are hypocrites regarding pay equity for women. Obama cannot be trusted:

The most recent statistics are for the half-year from Oct. 1, 2007 to March 31, 2008, excluding interns and focusing on full-time personnel. For someone who worked only until, say, last Feb. 29, extrapolating up to six months’ service simplifies this analysis. Doubling these half-year figures illustrates how a year’s worth of Senate employees’ paychecks should look.

Based on these calculations, Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397.

Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the under-representation of women in Obama’s highest-compensated ranks. Among Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

Again, on average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

Meanwhile on the financial markets economic front, Barack Obama is as useless as ever. Obama votes “present” on the U.S. economy.

“Given the gravity of this situation, and based on conversations I have had with both Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke, I have asked my economic team to refrain from presenting a more detailed blue-print of how an immediate plan might be structured until the Treasury and the Federal Reserve have had an opportunity to present their proposal.”

Obama is missing in action. McCain has an economic plan. Hillary Clinton has an economic plan.

Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight.

Obama will presumably now steal Hillary Clinton’s economic plan and stick his name on it.

Obama’s actions and inactions reveal the essential Obama fact, the Obama revealed kernel of truth: Obama can’t be trusted. Obama’s thugs can’t be trusted.

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645 thoughts on “Kernell Of Truth

  1. Excellent article, as always, Admin.

    I linked the clip of MO calling Palin ‘cute’ on the last thread. Do you want me to relink?

    I’m hearing more talk radio rumors about Biden stepping down after the first debate. If true (and I hope like he!! it’s not) could that be why HRC seems more supportive of BO?

    I dunno. I don’t want her anywhere near him . . . .

  2. I saw that ad earlier. BTW, JM was hitting BO hard this morning on his association with the Fannie and Freddie guys.

    I also liked the new ad poking fun at Biden saying it’s everyone’s patriotic duty to pay more taxes.

    LOL

    The circus music was great. 😉

  3. Ditto basil9. He’s still demanding that Hillary do the heavy lifting. Whata guy. Could any woman be more embarrassed by Sandra Bernhardt? or Roseanne? or that Canadian version of MODO? I love that Hillary won’t perform attack dog duties for Barry but bowing out of the Iranian protests because of Sarah Palin (now uninvited…shameful) is very disappointing. I want to see both of these powerful, smart, articulate women sharing a non-partisan stage.

    Kudos to Big Bill though…making only positive comments about Palin…an intuitive campaigner, smart, etc. All the comments Barry would like Bill to direct toward him but happily is lacking. No Barry, Bill will continue to let you know how much he despises you and your thugs attempting to smear him as a racist. Go Bill.
    Go McCain/Palin

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  5. It started long ago with Obama press secretary Ben LaBolt and his roommate Phil de Vellis.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    “Roommates”???

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  6. Former Hillary Clinton Activists Miguel D. Lausell and Luchy Secaira Endorse John McCain

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/6ad4a193-94c8-413c-94a4-3fb6d72a14ee.htm

    The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced the endorsement of Miguel D. Lausell, Senior Political Advisor to Hillary Clinton, and Clinton Delegate-at-Large Luchy Secaira. “Although I supported Hillary during the primaries, I now support John McCain and Governor Palin because I am putting my country first,” said Secaira, former Hillary Clinton Florida Delegate-at-Large. “They have the experience and judgment to lead America through these difficult times, and I trust them to work with Democrats to do the right thing for our country.” Lausell, who advised Senator Clinton on a variety of issues including international trade, telecommunications and Latino…

  7. Rassmussen Polls are either decidely screwy or this elections a mess.

    Rassmussen new polls tonight, say McCain is within 4 of Obama in Maine and Obama within 2 of McCain in Indiana.

    So either Rassmussen is fucking up his polls or i just don’t know because both of those are unbelievable.

  8. This is a really bad sign for Obama. If Murdoch has switched sides, Obama’s a dead man walking. Obama’s getting hammered on this.

    Media Mogul, Rupert Murdoch, Says Obama’s (Economic) Policies are Naive and Date Back to the 1960s

    In a live interview on Your World with Neil Cavuto on FOXNews, Rupert Murdoch, CEO of News Corp. (Wallstreet Journal, New York Post) said that Obama’s policies are naive and outdated as they applied to the state of the U.S. economy of the 1960s. Murdoch stated that if allowed to unfold, Obama’s economic policies would prevent job creation in America, shrink the American economy, and slow many economies around the world.

  9. Way to go Joe, lose a state in one foul swoop.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    CNN) — Joe Biden’s off-the-cuff remarks on the trail have at times taken the Obama campaign off-message, but the Delaware senator’s latest riff just may have landed him in hot water with voters — and die hard football fans — in a key battleground state.

    Speaking to members of the University of Delaware football team Friday morning, the Democratic VP candidate said he thinks the Fightin Blue Hens (1-1 this season) could thrash a certain team from Ohio.

    “I was out in Ohio,” he said while fiddling with a football in his hands. “I told the folks in Ohio that we’d kick Ohio State’s ass!” (It remains unclear if Biden actually ever told Ohio voters this.)

  10. and the Dems finally lost the plot……whats next?

    wcbstv.com/politics/congressman.charles.rangel.2.821541.html

    ASTONISHING: Rep. Charlie Rangel Calls Palin ‘Disabled’

    (CBS) ― Already under fire for his tax troubles, Manhattan Congressman Charles Rangel really put his foot in his mouth on Friday.

    In a CBS 2 HD exclusive interview Rep. Rangel called Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin “disabled.”

    The question was simple. Why are the Democrats so afraid of Palin and her popularity.

    The answer was astonishing.

    “You got to be kind to the disabled,” Rangel said.

    That’s right. The charman of the powerful House Ways & Means Committee called Palin disabled — even when CBS 2 HD called him on it.

    CBS 2 HD: “You got to be kind to the disabled???”

    Rangel: “She’s disabled.”

    “There is no question about politically it’s a nightmare to think that a person’s foreign policy is based on their ability to look at Russia from where they live.”

    Republicans think Rangel’s comments are insulting as well as shocking.

    “Charlie Rangel’s comments are clearly disgraceful,” Rep. Peter King, R-Long Island, said. “This is just another liberal Democrat who can’t accept an independent woman running for president.”

    King, who is co-chair of the McCain-Palin campaign in New York, watched Rangel’s comments with CBS 2 HD. He was particularly upset because Palin’s 4-month-old son, Trig, is disabled. He has Down’s syndrome.

    “We should be sensitive to her or any woman who has a child or family member who has any afflciiton at all,” King said. “And so to use the word disabled in the conetxt of a female candidate for vice president who has a child who is disabled really is wrong. Charlie owes her and the entire disbale community and appology.”

    Advocates for the disabled are also upset.

    ((sot michael imperiale 135028) “It makes me feel as if he’s trying to put her down, trying to say she’s not good for the presidency or the vice presidency,” Michael Imperiale said.

    “A disabled president ran this country. He was didabled. His name was Roosevelt.”

    a spokesman for the McCain-Palin campaign also piled on, saying that this kind of rhetoric has no place in politics.

  11. This idiot Joe Biden, must be on John McCains team.

    I really want to know if he actually said this. I am live in Ohio

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    This idiot Joe Biden must be on McCains team. Or he just don’t give a darn

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    I live in Ohio i really want to know if this is true what he said.

  12. neetabug, i bet he did because there is no way CNN would not report that, someone must have heard him do it and frankly its Joe Biden, so I’d say yes he did.

  13. That does it.

    I don’t care how old he is or how long he served, Rengle has permanently erased the soft spot I used to have for him.

    😡

    BTW, anyone else absolutely HATE the sound of MO’s voice? It always sounds like she’d got a fistful of gravel stuck in her throat.

  14. Admin, a very scary post. Thanks so much.

    The Michelle Obama thuggery is intentionally demeaning to Gov. Palin. But it is also particularly astonishing because neither ME-chelle nor the press have any problem with people supporting BO because he’s “cool” or “good looking” or “sexy” (that one is for Tweety and Baba Wawa).

    He’s probably off with Harry Reid, xeroxing Hillary’s plan for the financial crisis, as we speak.

  15. Hillfriends, I wanted to share the email my husband wrote today to the organizers of the U.N. rally, which is on-topic for today (“just say no to thuggery”):
    * * * * *

    As a lifelong Democrat and a Christian who ferverently supports Israel, I am deeply troubled and saddened by the decision to disinvite the Republican Vice Presidential nominee from the rally protesting Iran. The danger to Israel from Iran is clear. It is an issue that demands the broadest base of support.

    To engage in partisan politics over the very issue of Israel’s survival shocks the conscience. This sort of reckless threat from Senator Obama to which the American Jewish community bowed will only weaken Israel. The disinvitation, frankly, has caused me to reevaluate my long held, cherished, passionate support of Israel and her sons and daughters in the United States. I implore you to consider the short- and long-term consequences of this disinvitation.

    Very truly,

  16. He’s probably off with Harry Reid, xeroxing Hillary’s plan for the financial crisis, as we speak.

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    FUNNY BUT TRUE

  17. Neeta, we’ll have to do a paragraph by paragraph comparison, if BO even comes out with a stinky ol’ plan.

  18. Admin,

    Your article was spot on!

    Reading all the posts above…

    Rangle, Clyburn, Pelosi, Reid, Obama and his hoodlams et al…need to be gone pronto. They are crashing and burning big time. They are an embarassment to the country.

    Illinois Underground,

    Powerful letter from your husband! Amen!

  19. Kingsgrove, not shocked , Obama is itching to chuck the gays under the bus, we’ve known that for ages, shame the rest of them can’t see it.

  20. from Drudge Report:

    Biden tapping a reporter’s chest, telling him, ‘you need to work on your pecs’… Developing…

  21. from Drudge Report:

    Biden tapping a reporter’s chest, telling him, ‘you need to work on your pecs’… Developing…

    WTF, lol, has Biden been hanging out with Bambi too long, better not take any limo rides.

  22. 1. Lets be honest here, between WE the people over the Democratic Party, Hillary Rodham Clinton will choose her party over us anytime of the day. She’s a party member, we are purely incidentals. Although I am one her supporters, I’m not blind about her politics; it is what it is. She’s standing up for her party, we should stand up what is best for our country, our own life, our own welfare.
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    I understand the reaction believe me. But the fact is she has done alot for the people in this primary. First, she has fought her own party so every democrat had the right to vote. Second, she has brought the middle class interests into the debate and made sure they were reflected in the party platform. Third, she has suffered cheap shots, betrayals and ostracision for fighting for us. Fourth, she has spent millions of her own money to fight this cause. Fifth, she has other constituencies to protect as well -NewYork constituents who elected her and colleagues who supported her. Sixth, she is birdogged by a vicious media who wants to make a scapegoat for their mistake in promoting a fatally flawed candidate.

    Under the circumsances, I am hardpressed to know what she can do different. It is important for her to remain politically viable. I have had the same argument with myself because it is frusrating. But at the end of the day that is where I come out.

  23. basil9 Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Don’t vote because she’s cute.
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    What is with the lecturing? Instead of asking for our votes with humility, it is like they are screaming all the time — don’t be stupid, vote for us. Where are their natural political instincts? They seem to have none and it is a mystery (NOT) how they rose to where they are.

  24. CNN said that during BO’s press conference today – the one where he said he has no financial plan – he was surrounded by all Clinton administration former staff and advisors…

    What a dick…BO calls the most successful Democratic President of modern times a racist, trashes his record as part of the past, and then has the gall to stand there with Clinton former staff to send a message about how good the Clinton years were…so obnoxious. Had heard that Brazillo was praising Clinton years…I hate these people.

  25. CORAL GABLES, Florida (Reuters) – Barack Obama huddled with his economic advisers on Friday and backed government efforts to prop up a teetering financial system, but he said he would wait to release his own detailed plan to stem the turmoil on Wall Street.

    The Democratic presidential candidate praised efforts by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to rescue endangered financial firms and keep credit markets solvent and said “even bolder and more decisive action” was necessary.
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    So translation of that would be, I don’t have a plan, I’ve only been running for President for 3 years but I’ll think I’ll wait for McCain and then i’ll rip it off like I did Hillary’s. The guy is so wet, he could drown himself.

  26. Sorry Obama, but the crisis is now. Let’s hear your plan now. If you’re ready to be president, show us. It’s put up or shut up time.

    Let’s see, it’s 3:00am, and the call comes. Obama to caller, “Ah… well… ah… um… er well… um… ah… well… er… ahem…. (five minutes later) ah… um… er well, ah…, I’m sorry but I haven’t developed that policy yet. We’ll release that policy at a later date Mr. Putin. Please don’t attack our ally until then. Thank you and good night and do call again.”

  27. What is with the lecturing?

    Seriously…do they not understand that we’re the ones with the power in this scenario? Guess what Mish, I’m not voting for your hubby because that blue dress you wore during the convention was butt ugly. It’s in “my interests” never again to lay eyes on that hoochie mama ragfest. Get over it.

  28. Q: Why is Bush defending obama on Iraq?

    A: Multiple choice:

    1. birds of a feather flock together

    2. he hates mccain

    3. mccain refused to hire bush’s brain

    4. all of the above

  29. Bush is defending Bambi because the same money boyz who escorted him to power behind the scenes are escorting Bambi. Bush was a tool of the money boyz who used he Repub party to get their way. Now they are planning to use the Dem party.

  30. Well the thing is Wbobei, that news item is from “unamed sources” and Obama has a problem here.

    A : State dept knows nothing of Interference
    B : Obama has admitted interference
    C : Obama is now either a liar or did do it
    D : Iraqi foreign minister is a liar or not.

    Question is that Obama’s integrity gets called into question, either he put out false statements or the State Dept was never informed, could be very bad for Bambi either way. If that news item is true, then they could be saying Obama had secret negotiations or he’s lying.

    Its actually catch 22 for Bambi.

  31. alcina – just saw that button…it’s on the McCain/Palin store page.

    it breaks my heart too – could’ve been the Democrats – “My Gal”

  32. If this keeps up, I will be embarrassed to admit I ever was a Democrat.

    What sort of world is this when Donald Trump is smarter and more decent than Susan Sarandon?
    when Patrick Buchanan is nicer and brighter than Joe Biden? when Laura Ingraham makes more sense than Claire McCaskill? when Bill O’Reilly is more impartial than anyone on MSNBC? when Sarah Palin is considered dangerously inexperienced but Obama is ready to save our souls?

    There’s a very long list we could make. Or we could fill out the short one:

    decent Democrats: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Sheila Jackson-Lee, and several others.

    courageous Democrats: the delegate who refused to give her Hillary vote to O and has now endorsed McC. other former Hill voters. PUMA.

  33. freckles: You are so right. It is very surreal and topsy-turvy. Don’t forget the wonderful Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild. Courage, brains, and beauty.

  34. IDunn — you made a dreadful day better — I really laughed (and it does hurt when I laugh) Thank you.

    I don’t remember the blue dress unless it was that red-blue number that looked sort of purple. But your reason not to vote for O is infinitely smarter than anyone’s reason to vote FOR him.

  35. birdgal….Indeed. Very sorry I omitted Lady Lynn and another Hill supporter who switched to McC. (can’t remember)

  36. It is my hope that McC is collecting all those clips from early in the primary that are now ummmm shall we say revised?

    raising taxes
    opposing FISA
    public financing
    ending the ’90s fights
    talking to the heads of terrorist countries
    opposing the surge
    yanking the troops

    I would continue but I’m getting writer’s cramp…

  37. All I can say is that I hope Rangel, Obama, Reid, et al…keep making those assinine comments. It’s more fodder for McCain.

    Honestly they are doing his job for him and I couldn’t be happier. So keep insulting. Keep showing how low your standards really are. It’s all good!

  38. The response I received from United Jewish Communities to my email regarding the Rally to Stop Iran and Sarah Palin’s dis-invitation (of particular interest is the threat of losing their tax-exempt status; wonder where THAT came from?):

    Dear Gary,

    We received your note and appreciate you telling us of your concerns about the Rally to Stop Iran Now.

    Unfortunately, the current focus on the speaker lineup and about the politics surrounding these speakers is diverting us from the overall objective. This was never the intention of the team of organizations planning for the rally, which, by the way, we conducted last year with not one objection expressed about this approach. This year, in the face of a highly charged national election campaign, we became exposed to concerns about our tax-exempt status, due to what developed as an unequal representation of the parties. In the face of this advice from counsel engaged by two of the sponsoring organizations, we determined that it was not in the best interests of our humanitarian mission to risk our status in this regard.

    We are trying very hard now to keep the focus on the main point of the rally, which remains as pressing as ever: to draw the world’s attention to the dangers of a nuclear Iran. With Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s appearance at the UN this Monday, it is crucial that our community and others continue to gather to make our voices heard: a nuclear Iran poses a dire threat to the United States and to Israel. We must act now.Having said that, naturally, we would wish that all of this could have been avoided. Just know that all of the organizers acted in the best interests of the community given the facts at hand.

    Shabbat Shalom.

  39. This year, in the face of a highly charged national election campaign, we became exposed to concerns about our tax-exempt status, due to what developed as an unequal representation of the parties. In the face of this advice from counsel engaged by two of the sponsoring organizations, we determined that it was not in the best interests of our humanitarian mission to risk our status in this regard.
    *****************************************************
    Are they saying the Democrats threaten them with an investigation into their tax status?

    Or are they using that as their excuse?

  40. Someone upthread said Bush is defending BO on Iraq.
    Could someone clarify, please. i haven’t heard about that.

    Idunn,
    You bad girl. You know we’re not supposed to discuss fashion or physical appearance.

    😉

  41. actually it makes sense of this anti-iran/akhmenijad rally about having elected officials invited..

    I like this better..having no one there. now if chelsea turns up there on her own will, then I will applaud!!!!

  42. GaryinDCandLA Says:
    *****************

    BS I say. We all should write them. And what about Palin & the Repubs putting together a new rally?

  43. Wbboei, I just watched that video of Hillary and does she look tired! I haven’t been able to keep up with all the goings on, but does hillary looks bad or is she just mad that the dems fumbled and this financial crisis (via Soros) is happening. Maybe she is just worried, I believe this is what she was upset about in New Hampshire!

  44. carbynew Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
    Rangel Calls Palin “Disable.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvovJ1Q-Ogg


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    I must say that Rangel was very condescending, arrogant, and belittling of Gov. Palin. This election has opened my eyes, as to the ridgidity and arrogance of the dimocratic party. Many dims are acting as narrow minded as their right wing counterparts. Who would have thought, so called “progressives” could be so regressive?

  45. The last time I had to listen to so many rude, aggressive, arrogant, ill-informed and classless people was when I was teaching 1200 K-8 students in Jersey City.

    And most of the kids had far more manners and sense of etiquette and fair play than MO, Clyburn, Rangle, Brazile and the other supposedly accomplished, influential high-status AA leaders who are supporting BO.

    The same is true of the despicable leftist women, the white ‘intellectual elite’ and ‘creative class’, (barf) the Hollywood types, latte liberals and ghetto and ghetto-wannabee thugs.

    Not only do I agree with Freckles that I’m ashamed to have ever called myself a democrat, I am also scared to death that this group is going to succeed in their coup.

    If that happens I predict a real civil war far worse than the defeat of BO could ever provoke.

    I still find it hard to believe that instead of a Michael Steele, a Willie brown, a Colin Powell, a Michael Nutter, even a Harold Ford, that the one who is a hairsbreadth away from the presidency is this self-aggrandizing, self-indulgent, blustering, incompetent and arrogant fool.

  46. I have a new set of coworkers, one in particular is from Chicago. He told me today that “only in American can the son of a muslim be so close to the Presidency after 9-11”. He thought this was great! I said yep this is a true statement, the only one that can’t be President in America is a fully qualified female. He did not have much to say about that!

  47. Obama: Go slower on ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080918_Obama__Go_slower_on__Don_t_Ask__Don_t_Tell_.html

    Yup Gay people meet Obama’s bus. Now quietly lie down in front of the bus so he can drive over you.

    In an interview with Mark Segal of the Philadelphia Gay News, Barack Obama indicated that he would not proceed unilaterally in fulfilling his promise to do away with the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for gays in the military. Instead, the Democratic presidential candidate said that he would work through a step-by-step process with the military brass.

    “The reason,” Obama said, “is because I want to make sure that when we revert ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ it’s gone through a process and we’ve built a consensus or at least a clarity of that, of what my expectations are, so that it works.”

    Under the current policy, adopted in 1993 under President Bill Clinton, military recruits are not supposed to be asked about their sexual orientation. Clinton had wanted to let gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals serve openly, but he encountered resistance.

    Obama also said he would be reluctant to instruct his attorney general to go to court to try to overturn the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition of same-sex marriages and gives states the right not to recognize such unions.

    “I think we’re going to have to take a different approach,” he said, “but I am absolutely committed to the concept [that] it is not necessary.” He said he would prefer to see Congress change the law.

    Obama pledged to make the protection of gays from imprisonment and torture in other countries part of his human-rights policy, calling it “not acceptable” to exclude such concerns from “our broader human-rights advocacy.”

  48. confloyd,

    This may sound intolerant but I don’t give a cr@p. I don’t EVER want a Muslim in the WH. The status of Islamic women is demeaning, unequal, inferior and primitive.

    I sometimes suspect there may be factions in the US who would be only too willing and even eager to rollback women’s rights in the US.

    Case in point: Look what happened to HRC.

    BTW,
    How are you doing post-Ike?to

    That’s not what

  49. Maybe when all is said and done and McCain is in the White House, Obama can take his merry men and woman and find some swamp land somewhere and start a new country of their own…Obamaland.

    I will never forgive this jackass and the DNC hyenas for denying Hillary the presidency. They should be tried for treason and the very least and banished from the land at the very most.

  50. basil9,Your preaching to the choir. I don’t want a muslim anything. I don’t even like to work with them and there are lots of them in Houston. Just relaying the statement of a coworker. People are downright stupid.
    I am finally OK after the storm. I have power now everywhere I sleep during the week. Thank goodness!

    Looks like politics have been hot since I been without power. Is it true that Hillary will take over after the first debate?? Is Biden making alot of gaffe’s??

  51. JanH, they should be tried for high treason, just listen to Hillary talk about the economy, she was the one we needed, not the empty suit!

  52. This may sound intolerant

    I’m sure you mean “ignorant”, not intolerant.

    And btw, most of the sexist attacks towards Hillary (and now Gov. Sarah Palin) haven’t come from Muslims.

  53. You know, I am offended by the muslim talk. My dentist and orthodontist were both muslims and they were extremely wonderful to me.

  54. mj,

    I agree. It’s wrong to lump a whole group together just because of a few rotten apples who give all of them a bad name. I work with many different groups including a number of muslims who I consider my friends.

    Obama has so much to answer for. I really hope he pays for what he has done.

  55. kingsgrove,

    No. I meant intolerant. I have read dozens of books about Islamic religions and Muslim countries so my opinion, as a woman, is that I would never want to live in such repressive countries. Of course it’s great for the men which is maybe why you think my perspective is ignorant as i take it you are not female.
    .

  56. I didn’t group people together. i said I don’t want to live under Muslim rule. Check how women are treated in Muslim countries.

  57. mj get it right, you cannot call them black anymore if they are against Obama, you must under Dem rules call them “Uncle Tom”. Its kind of like wering the jewish star or pink triangle in a concentration camp or at least it will be if Obama wins.

  58. Don’t gang up on me. Read what I said. I said i wouldn’t want to live iunder Muslim rule. And I doubt most of the women on this board would want that, either. Read about customs in Muslim countries, eg Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan.

    Like I said if I was a man I prpbably wouldn’t give a sh!t.

  59. Let me tell you its no picnic in a muslim country, i live in one and its the most liberal one of all of them but many still treat women still like property and 2nd class citizens.

  60. jan,

    NP.
    Hit and run posters get on my nerves at times.
    It’s well documented that most Muslim countries severely restrict the rights of women.
    That’s my point.
    Read “Beyond the Veil,” and “FMG in Muslim COuntries” for starters.
    Kingsgrove is the ignorant one.

  61. Kingsgrove and wbboei:

    from your boots-on-the-ground-girl:

    XOXOXOXOX

    My big street facing windows on the shop front now have….

    Can We Have

    TWO BIG YARD SIGNS

    (that say ) HILLARY…2008

    BACK ? NOW !!

  62. basil9 Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    *******************

    I don’t trust Muslims either and i don’t care that it offends someone. I see the woman abused, killed, unable to have simple human rights. I am glad some of you know “nice” Muslims, for me and mine I don’t trust them. I am Woman and I will defend my rights

  63. gonzo,
    I know some pleasant Muslim people. too. i also lived in a town with the largest Muslim community in the US where 2 of the WTC hi-jackers lived for a year while planning the attack. Muslims don’t seem to separate politics from religion and personally i have no use for a religious/political worldview which considers women as property.

    That’s not to say i can’t be friends with Muslims. I just don’t wnat any devout Muslim to have any control over my life.

  64. basil,

    I read your original post too fast. I agree that Muslim countries are very oppressive towards women. Many years back I was in Turkey and Iraq and saw this for myself.

  65. could be but kingsgrove has been a reg here for over a year.
    He just doesn’t post much lately.

    Time for me to turn in.

    Night.

  66. jan,

    Like I said, NP.

    Kingsgrove should’ve stuck around long enough to defend his attack against me.

    Anyway, I’m beat.

    See ya tomorow.

  67. basil9 Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t gang up on me. Read what I said. I said i wouldn’t want to live iunder Muslim rule.
    ———————-

    I come from India where we have the second largest Muslim population in the world (I think). For most part they are well integrated. Among educated middle class you don’t find much difference between Hindu and Muslim families in terms of their appearance and attitude, of course each observes their own customs. Many of the classical musicians from North India are Muslims but they have married Hindus and they even worship Hindu dieties, like Saraswathi who is the Goddess of education and knowledge. But there is unrest in the recent years because of the outsiders trying to create problems as everywhere else and the Kashmir problem between Pakistan and India. There is growing resentment on both Hindu and Muslim sides starting with Muslims given their own law.

  68. There is growing resentment on both Hindu and Muslim sides starting with Muslims given their own law.

    The same thing is happening in the UK, pm, and it is VERY dangerous for women. They are allowing “separate” Muslim courts that operate under Sharia Law, and are given the authority of the British govt in legal cases involving two Muslims. Why? Because “it’s their religion”, so we have to tiptoe around not offending, to the point of giving them their OWN FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM THAT IS FROM THE DARK AGES.

    That is just fucking insane, So a Muslim woman in a democratic and free country who is beaten by her husband has no real recourse, because she has to go before the MUSLIM court? Kiss my ass.

    I have no problem with individual muslims per se. I judge them as individuals, and have had Muslim co-workers etc who were grand people. But lets get real – there is NO OTHER worldwide “movement” that has as an express goal the complete subjugation of women and the destruction of the USA. If this were merely a political movement, not shrouded in religion, we would be decrying it from the rooftops and calling it pure evil. The fact that this mindset has been linked as part of a RELIGION on the part of the perpetrators is supposed to make it untouchable? Beyond criticism? I can’t say I am careful and concerned about Muslims, because it is a “religion”? Bullshit. No, THEY THEMSELVES have taken their belief system beyond the private practice of religion (which I have no problem with) and MADE IT POLITICAL and a “revolution”.

    There is a very LARGE part of the Muslim community worldwide who holds these views, and is intent on using their religion as a POLITICAL force to change the ways of the West. If the rest of the Muslim community does not wish for their religion to be impugned, then they need to SPEAK THE FUCK UP – loudly and FREQUENTLY. Until then, I feel very justified in viewing some Muslims, esp in places of political power, with a degree of suspicion until I am sure just what “type” of Muslim they are. That is not bigotry, that is simply common sense. I will not apologize for it.

  69. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080919193927.ite7zfed&show_article=1

    US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as “Annie Hall,” says it will be no laughing matter if Barack Obama fails to win the race for the White House.
    “It would be a disgrace and a humiliation if Barack Obama does not win,” he told Spanish journalists at the ongoing 56th San Sebastian film festival, where his latest film “Vicky Cristina Barcelona” is being screened.

    “It would be a very, very terrible thing for the United States in many, many ways,” he said.

    Democratic hopeful Obama, Allen said, is “so much better” than Republican rival John McCain, and “represents a huge step upward from (the) incompetence and misjudgement” of the Bush administration.

    “It would be a terrible thing if the American public was not moved to vote for him, that they actually preferred more of the same.”

    On Thursday, Spanish-born Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, who is also in San Sebastian, said he is backing Obama for the sake of his daughter — acknowledging, however, that he cannot vote as he is not a US citizen.

  70. Idunn, Sugar and Patsy do a blog radio show together on Thursdays, and both are GREAT, but the one in the video is Patsy.

  71. H4T, what is keeping local Muslims in check in India is the equal economic opportunities and they do quite well if they are skilled and have talents. And also many of them were converted many generations ago but don’t have deep roots to that religion, many who did have that went to Pakistan during the 1947 partition. The last president was a super fine Muslim gentleman from south India. The biggest billionaire in the computer industry is a Muslim. But there are rabble rouser’s from the rank and file and politicians, may be even outsiders, inciting riots, think Gujarath a few years ago. They had couple of blasts in Delhi in the last two days. In Bangalore which is turning out to be the silicon valley of India, there have been bomb blasts recently. All those people going after soft targets really scares me. Tom Friedman went around saying how Al queda did not have a single Indian Muslim in their ranks but that may change as outsiders may try to suck them in.

  72. US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as “Annie Hall,”

    Actually, I thought Woody Allen was best known as pervert for marrying his 22 year step-daughter.

  73. I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again, the left has turned into the mirror image of the extreme right. Who would have thought? Are they that frightened of a woman in a position of power? Is this where, all that hatred and vitrolic language is coming from? I don’t know what the new dimocratic party is, but the light has certainly gone out. This is a modern day Salem witch hunt. It has nothing to do with Palin’s lack of experience (not that it stopped BO), but a deep misogynistic hatred of women. There is no other explanation.

  74. Someone posted from another site:
    1. Lets be honest here, between WE the people over the Democratic Party, Hillary Rodham Clinton will choose her party over us anytime of the day. She’s a party member, we are purely incidentals. Although I am one her supporters, I’m not blind about her politics; it is what it is. She’s standing up for her party, we should stand up what is best for our country, our own life, our own welfare
    ————-

    I”ve been posting that Hillary has been getting too many headlines saying she’s supporting Obama and not enough saying nice things about Palin. However this comment is way off base imo. Hillary is for her issues — healthcare, contraception/abortion gay rights, etc etc. Party is a means to this end (although an importatn one and she has party loyalty also). She has BEEN President (co-pres with Bill). She knows what it’s like. She knows her issues can be advanced either as Pres or in the Senate.

  75. Re rumours that HIllary might replace Biden …. In that case they would do it immediately and let HER do the first debate.

  76. still have no power in houston, but am able to go online via dialup. very trying times here. i just read some on wha is going on in the campaigns and thought how screwed we are. rangel’s remark is beyond belief. and the gop thans to many of their stupid policies with george hoover bush have led us to ruin. obama u cannot trust. mcain i trust to lead-but time to start vetting dude. the economy seems to be giving a boost to dem tickets. fdr and clinton gave dems the label on the econ. and obama as a d may benefit fromthis. lets pray for texas. pray we get power. pray fr the dead. the dying. the dozens missing believed drowned in the gulf and never to be found. it is believed some victims were washed oyt and eaten by sharks and aligators swarming the coastal waters. its a horror show. i have never felt so angry and disenchanted with the govt. with the parties. we deserve better.

  77. I will bet you that Rangel has a book on Pelosi. He’s got dirt on Pelosi and all the Dems, that’s why he still has his chairmanship.

  78. Wbboei, I just watched that video of Hillary and does she look tired! I haven’t been able to keep up with all the goings on, but does hillary looks bad or is she just mad that the dems fumbled and this financial crisis (via Soros) is happening. Maybe she is just worried, I believe this is what she was upset about in New Hampshire
    ——————————————–
    Confloyd: I think Hillary is disgusted with her colleagues for failing to act in a timely manner which would have avoided or mitigated this proble, after she provided them with solutions. At the same time I believe she is deeply saddened by the impact this wll have on the friends and supporters she met on the campaign trail–the invisible people she committed to help and would have helped but for the incompetence of Pelosi and Reid, and the intransigence of Bush and Cheney. In my opinion, that is why she looks a little tired.

  79. Re rumours that HIllary might replace Biden …. In that case they would do it immediately and let HER do the first debate.
    ———————————————-
    won’t happen.

  80. Actually, I thought Woody Allen was best known as pervert for marrying his 22 year step-daughter
    ——————————————–
    one of his less celebrated achievements.

  81. HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    There is growing resentment on both Hindu and Muslim sides starting with Muslims given their own law.
    The same thing is happening in the UK, pm, and it is VERY dangerous for women. They are allowing “separate” Muslim courts that operate under Sharia Law, and are given the authority of the British govt in legal cases involving two Muslims. Why? Because “it’s their religion”, so we have to tiptoe around not offending, to the point of giving them their OWN FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM THAT IS FROM THE DARK AGES
    *************
    I think in Britain they got caught in the “give an inch..take a mile” The latest that I read was that Muslim female health care workers were beginning to refuse to abide by standards of infection control because exposing skin above the lower part of the wrist was against Islam. “Scrubbing” to the elbows is the accepted procedure.

  82. Re rumours that HIllary might replace Biden …. In that case they would do it immediately and let HER do the first debate.
    ———————————————-
    Correction: it is reasonable to assume that the same people who pushed her out of the race for president and blocked her from being vp are now begging her to now come on as vp in response to three critical developments: i) the financial crisis. ii) obamas deer in the headlight response and iii) bidens desire to step down. By now most of the power brokers understand that Obama is not up to the job regardless, these are not normal times and they may acutally be worse off if he does win because his incompetence will be on full display. Nevertheless, I still say it wont happen. There needs to be a couple years cooling time and then assess the situation. What happens between now and then will be their doing–not hers.

  83. Woody Allen. Donald Trump. I think I’ll go with the Donald.

    You know, the nutroots hack Palin’s personal e-mail, but they turn around and cry about FISA. What’s up with that? The nutroots obviously don’t care about privacy. They just want to open the door to another terrorist attack.

  84. [warning, may make you ill, I don’t have the link, but I’m sure you can look up the entire article]

    well, i throw my hands up – this is what passes for intelligent analysis on liberal blogs

    *****

    “This is Your Nation on White Privilege” By Tim Wise
    9/13/08
    For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

    White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” – even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

    White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you’ll “kick their fuckin’ ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

    White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, – whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

    White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, – while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”

  85. Having known a few constitutional law scholars in my day, I can assure you that is not what obama is. He is a mere parttime constitutional law instructor and fulltime flimflam man. Put that in your Pipe and smoke in Mr. Unwise/

  86. Canaan, The Donald and Woody – both frightening choices. 🙂

    As to the nutroots, FISA, and hacking – the nutroots will be the first to whelp and scream when more regulations on the internet are proposed. They excuse the inexcusable and then they will get on their high horses and say “no regulation, leave the internet as the wild west”.

    The Obama supporters have been thugs, harrassing Hillary supporters and hacking and “rick rolling” and all their silly frat house games. Then they complain.

    When the iron fist comes down on the now free internet it will be those irresponsible thugs who will be culpable.

  87. Texan4Hillary, as the storm moved on it wreaked havoc along its path. We received reports from readers that electrical repair crews were not available in their states because the crews had been sent to Texas and the Gulf Coast states. Many of the crews have returned home to get repairs done there. Hopefully they will get the job done quickly and be able to return to help those who are still without power and not able to return home.

    Thanks for your reports. It sounds like you are having a horrible time.

    Our best wishes, keep safe.

  88. Congressman Calls Palin “Disabled” – (3:20am)

    WASHINGTON (AP) – New York Congressman Charlie Rangel says he misspoke when he called Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin “disabled.” It happened during an interview Rangel had with New York’s WCBS T-V. Rangel was talking about what says is Palin’s lack of foreign policy experience. The reporter repeated the phrase and Rangel said “Yes, There’s no question about it.”

    Later, he issued a statement a short time later explaining that he meant to say Palin, Alaska’s governor, is “disadvantaged.” The gaffe follows weeks of controversy for Rangel over his personal financial affairs. A spokesman for the Republican National Committee says Rangel accused Rangel of “hitting a rhetorical low.”

    http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=9043858

  89. Governor warns Obama that he’s falling into GOP’s trap by siding against him
    He says senator fell for ruse by McCain
    By Rick Pearson and Ray Long
    September 20, 2008

    Gov. Rod Blagojevich warned Sen. Barack Obama on Friday that the presidential nominee was falling into a Republican trap by siding against his home-state Democratic governor in a battle about ethics that is dominating Illinois politics.

    Critics said Blagojevich was grasping to portray himself as a reformer amid federal investigations of his administration and putting his political self-interest before Obama’s bid for the White House.

    Blagojevich accused Obama of buying into a “very clever ruse by the McCain campaign” in making a phone call Wednesday to Illinois Senate President Emil Jones that sought an expedited vote on ethics legislation. Jones, who mentored Obama in the state Senate, agreed to call senators back to work Monday to deal with the governor’s rewrite of an ethics bill.

    Many lawmakers said the governor’s changes would kill the bill, not strengthen it, and accused Jones of helping Blagojevich by delaying a vote. The governor said Obama’s involvement would only hurt his reform platform in the presidential race.

    Blagojevich maintained that if the Senate joins the House in overriding his changes to the bill, then “sometime in October, in battleground states, you’ll be seeing TV ads that Republicans are putting up and the McCain campaign is putting up that will start accusing Sen. Obama of coming back to Illinois to help his old friends in the Illinois General Assembly.”

    Blagojevich’s aggressive fundraising is the target of the original ethics bill, which was overwhelmingly supported by Democrats and Republicans alike in the state legislature. It would prohibit state contractors and those seeking state business worth $50,000 or more from donating to the official who doles out the work. The governor rewrote the bill to include a variety of side issues, and critics charge that Blagojevich’s move was an attempt to sabotage the original measure.

    Cynthia Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, called Blagojevich’s comments “delusional” and “loony.” Her group opposed the governor’s changes and asked Obama to speak with Jones.

    “He doesn’t care about his political party or the course of this nation,” Canary said of the governor.Obama’s campaign declined to comment on Blagojevich’s remarks. But Sen. Terry Link of Waukegan, a close Obama friend and former state legislative colleague, said the governor was attempting to kill the original ethics measure,

    “It’s just so obvious what’s going on,” said Link, the Lake County Democratic chairman. “It’s ridiculous.”

    With his comments, Blagojevich once again moved to buck Obama’s favorite-son presidential campaign. This month, Blagojevich told WGN-AM radio that Democrats should not criticize the experience of McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, because “governors make decisions” while legislators like Obama “debate and they pass their bills back and forth.”

    The Obama campaign also has sought to distance itself from Blagojevich since this year’s trial of Antoin “Tony” Rezko, who was convicted on federal corruption charges involving his dealings with the Blagojevich administration. Rezko, a top fundraiser and adviser to Blagojevich, also had a fundraising relationship to the Democratic nominee and bought land adjacent to Obama’s Hyde Park home.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-blagojevich20sep20,0,1755960.story

  90. Charlie Rangel on hot seat for labeling Sarah Palin ‘disabled’
    BY RICHARD SISK and DAVID SALTONSTALL
    DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

    Friday, September 19th 2008, 9:15 PM

    Congressman Charlie Rangel, already in hot water over unpaid taxes (which he paid Friday), dug himself deeper with a politically-incorrect barb at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

    Palin, the governor of Alaska, was termed ‘disabled’ by the New York Congressman. Rep. Charlie Rangel, already in trouble for overdue taxes, dug a new hole for himself Friday after he dissed Sarah Palin as “disabled.”

    The powerful Democratic chairman of the House Way and Means Committee, asked by WCBS-TV to comment on the Republican vice presidential nominee’s appeal, responded with a politically incorrect putdown.

    “You got to be kind to the disabled,” Rangel, 78, told political reporter Marcia Kramer.

    Pressed on whether he really thought the Alaska governor was disabled, Rangel added, “There’s no question about it politically.”

    “It’s a nightmare to think that a person’s foreign policy is based on their ability to look at Russia from where they live,” said Rangel – referring to Palin’s recent observation that parts of Russia can be seen from her home state.

    Coming on the same day that Rangel revealed he had paid $10,800 in back taxes for not reporting income on vacation property – and amid GOP calls that he give up his powerful committee chairmanship – his timing could not have been worse.

    If he thought he was being funny, Republicans and advocates for the disabled weren’t laughing.

    Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.), chair of the McCain-Palin campaign in New York, blasted the comment as insensitive – especially given that Palin gave birth in April to a son, Trig, with Down syndrome.

    “Charlie owes a sincere apology to Sarah Palin and the entire disabled community,” said King. “All of us know parents who have disabled children or relatives, so from any perspective this was wrong, wrong, wrong.”

    Carr Massi, president of the New York-based Disabled in Action, said of the tax- and tongue-tied Rangel, “He ain’t looking too good right now.”

    “I am not one of her fans,” added Massi of the GOP veep nominee. “But I don’t like the idea he referred to the woman as disabled. I mean he is talking about her politics – that word has no place there.”

    Despite the hail of criticism, Rangel gave virtually no ground in an interview with the Daily News last night. He suggested his comments were aimed at her thin foreign-policy background.

    When using the term disabled, “I mean intellectually disadvantaged,” he explained.

    He also dismissed as ridiculous any suggestion that he was talking about Palin’s baby. “That is stupid, c’mon,” he said. “If the Republicans are saying that, they don’t have any credibility.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/19/2008-09-19_charlie_rangel_on_hot_seat_for_labeling_.html

  91. I think that Mr Rangel needs to excuse himself from Congress and prepare himself for tax evasion charges. What a stupid man, it seems he’s been on the scam for years from what i see.

  92. Charlie Rangel Says Palin is ‘Disabled’
    By Dave
    Sep 19th 2008 9:11PM

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get uglier. Obama’s been pushing the “liar” button for the last two weeks, and while I disagree, I can understand it as part of the game and defensible as its ultimately about issues.

    This is different, this is ugly, this is pure name-calling for the sake of name calling. Words cannot encompass what I feel about this corrupt odious politician. I take cold comfort in the fact that the Obama campaign is now dialing Charlie Rangel and anyone they can get ahold of trying to get in front of the impending wave of this horrendous gaffe. I also take cold comfort in the fact that Rangel has likely sealed his doom as any sort of player in the Democratic party.

    It’s not enough that we have actually had, in the White House, a great president who actually was disabled (FDR), or that Sarah Palin’s fifth child is disabled. But also remember Charlie Rangel is in deep trouble for scamming the New York taxpayer for rent controlled offices while scamming the US taxpayer out of income taxes on his properties. And this is a guy who is responsible for writing our tax code. Of all people he has no platform on which to call anybody any name of any sort, much less this of Sarah Palin.

    Charlie Rangel should resign and disappear as quickly as possible, and it can’t be fast enough.

    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/19/top-democrat-says-palin-is-disabled/

  93. So dishonest, the guy is a serial tax evader and somehow its Republicans fault he got caught and exposed, thats a new one on the list. Surprised he has not whipped out the racist card like every other Dem seems to have this cycle.

    WASHINGTON – Rep. Charles Rangel wrote six checks for about $10,800 in back taxes, and then penned an open letter to New Yorkers Friday, saying he has done nothing dishonorable and is the target of a GOP “guerrilla war.”

    Rangel, the dean of the New York congressional delegation, has faced a string of embarrassing revelations — he didn’t pay taxes on rental income for a beach house in the Dominican Republic; he used three rent-stabilized apartments in Harlem, including one for a campaign office; he used his congressional stationery to drum up private donations to a college center named after him.

    He ended up writing a number of checks to cover taxes due on his 2004, 2005, and 2006 returns, related to the unreported rental income, said his chief of staff, George Dalley.

    The federal government tab ended up being $4,803, according to Rangel’s accountants, while he wrote checks totaling $6,022 to New York State. The state figure includes a small percentage owed to the New York City authorities.

  94. Hi Moonpluto,

    I believe Rengel is the disabled one. Alzheimers or some similar mental disorder seems to have caught up with him.

    More race-baiting.

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5845908

    Some excerpts;
    ….an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.
    …..More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without —are significantly less likely to vote for Obama .
    …..The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats..
    …..Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren’t voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn’t vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

    …..Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates.

    …..Three in 10 of those Democrats who don’t trust Obama’s change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.

    …..Just 59 percent of HRC’s white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton’s white backers plan to vote for McCain.

  95. Congress told in no uncertain terms to work together, NOW.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/business/20cong.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=us&adxnnlx=1221912691-Pugh6DSBa6VBrkA78UBiOg

    WASHINGTON — Gathered in the conference room just off House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s personal suite on the second floor of the Capitol, the Congressional leadership had just received the sobering news Thursday night that America’s economy remained in peril despite a series of sudden interventions by the Federal Reserve.

    Then the other shoe dropped. Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. told top members of both parties — about to leave Washington to assail one another in a bitter election season — that they had no choice but to pull together and quickly pass legislation providing billions of public dollars to take bad assets off the hands of the nation’s financial institutions.

    “Do you know what you are asking me to do?” said Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader who has struggled all year against concerted Republican opposition, according to multiple participants at the Thursday night session. “It takes me 48 hours to get the Republicans to agree to flush the toilets around here.”

    At that point, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader who duels constantly with Mr. Reid, reached over to assure his colleague they could work it out. “Harry,” Mr. McConnell said, “I think we need to do this, we should try to do this and we can do this.”

    As Congress waited Friday for details of the plan, Congressional officials said members of both parties remained willing to move ahead despite reservations from the rank-and-file about exposing taxpayers to staggering costs that have yet to be disclosed.

    In telephone briefings with lawmakers, Mr. Paulson and the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, sought to make it clear that the price of doing nothing could be calamitous.

  96. Morning, Hillfriends!

    September 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, wbboei Says:

    “Under the circumsances, I am hardpressed to know what she can do different. It is important for her to remain politically viable. I have had the same argument with myself because it is frusrating. But at the end of the day that is where I come out.”

    * * * * *
    Triple ditto, wbboei.

  97. Moonpluto,

    What’s really indefensible about this mess is people like me, with no training in finance and economics, knew 5 years ago that there was something wrong with the housing market.

    I was almost a victim of the toppling house of cards when I had to sell my house and almost lost the buyer because one of the many institutions that had assumed my loan during the 14 years i owned it had failed to properly record the satisfaction of loan during the bundling process and no one, neither my attorneys nor the buyers attorneys could find any trace of where that particular failure to file had originated. Fortunately, i am a fighter and was on the phone for days ironing out this mess but it gave me a close-up look at the shell game.

  98. My fairly non-political hubby who would have voted Clinton told me this morning he is voting McCain.

    It’s all about the taxes and TRUST for him. He said that the only Democrat he would have trusted with his pocketbook was a Clinton, because he believed that if she raised his taxes, she would have done so prudently, and gotten this country some real benefits from it. He would be willing to (patriotically) pay more under those circumstances.

    But the rest of the Dems? He says not a one of them has demonstrated any ability to handle money, or to achieve a goddamn thing with the extra money they are always whining he ought to give them.

    He doesn’t think the McCain will do much either, but for him the choice is:

    a) Take my money and do a crappy job, or
    b) Leave my money alone and do a crappy job.

    He’s going with (b), and hoping Hillary runs in 2012.

  99. WGN Radio (Chicago) host Milt Rosenberg discusses the Obama campaign’s attempts to silence coverage of Bill Ayers/Obama friendship on Lou Dobbs Radio show (starts @ 35:00)

    Lou Dobbs / September 18, 2008 / Hour 2: h t t p : / / loudobbsradio.com/audio/fullshow/091808/Lou_091808_Hour2.mp3

    h t t p : / / loudobbsradio.com/showdownload.asp

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    More on Obama/Ayers:

    h t t p : / / wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44664&Itemid=240

    OUR RECENT RUN-IN WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN…..

    …..was due to our presuming to interview two authors who have written critically of the Democratic candidate. Despite the campaign-directed organized harrasment, as reported in this front-page story from the Chicago Tribune, we got through the programs and managed to clarify some facts not particularly well-known to the general public. The whole odd affair got a good deal of attention in the press and blogosphere and stimulated about 100,000 (and still counting!) downloads of the two separate podcasts which can be heard here:

    * podcast #1: h t t p : / / caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3
    Milt talks with Stanley Kurtz,a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a contributor to National Review, about what he’s found in the newly opened Annenberg Challenge archives at the UIC Library.

    * podcast #2: h t t p : / / caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-047-080916.mp3
    Milt moderates a debate between conservative author David Freddoso and liberal activist Dan Johnson-Weinberger over the contents of Freddoso’s new book, The Case Against Barack Obama.

  100. Texan4Hillary,

    These are definitely trying times for you and your loved ones. Take care.

    ———————————————–

    As far as anyone thinking Hillary looks tired and is upset about the economy, I think it is much more than that. Yes she is upset by the lacklustre response by her fellow dems on this mess, but I think everything has caught up with her and she is walking a tightrope of emotions. If we were shocked and disgusted by what Obama and the DNC did to her, just think how much worse it was for her. Having to stand by and watch the crime of the century being perpetrated, that of a liar and cheater being groomed for the biggest job in the land, has to be wearing her down.

    This woman amazes me. Her courage and steadfastness to continue amidst a sea of snakes and vipers is truly inspiring.

  101. Okay, this comment on Sugar’s blog made me cry.

    Hello Sugar,

    I’d like to tell you, and your readers about my experience.

    I was out food shopping with my ten year old daughter last week. She’s such a special, kind hearted person and I love spending time with her.

    While we were waiting in line, she was looking at some of the magazine covers. She pointed out one that had Governor Palin on the cover.

    We talk about this election a lot in our home and my husband & I encourage our children (We also have a 13 year old daughter and a 16 year old son) to express their own opinions. She and my 13 year old daughter were both excited when Hillary was in the race. They have since been following Palin on the news and are excited about her. At their age, the “issues” like gas prices and the war, matter less than “girl power”. 🙂

    So anyway, she was excited to see Palin on the cover and said, “Look mommy, it’s Sarah!” (like we’re on a first name basis with er-lol) At that point, I had started putting my groceries on the counter and I heard the man behind me mumble something. I turned around to see if anything was wrong and my daughter had a “deer in the headlights” kind of expression on her face. I quietly asked her is she was okay and her eyes started to well up with tears. She whispered in my ear, “That man said only racists vote for Sarah”. I looked for him but he had already left the line. After I paid, we went off to the side so I could comfort her, as she was getting ready to cry.

    Let me give you a little background on our family. My husband & I are white. Five years ago, we adopted our three children from foster care. My 16 year old son and my 10 year old daughter are brown skinned (biracial). They’re both beautiful and take pride in being a mixture of two races. I teach my children to love themselves and be proud of who they are. We talk openly and honestly about racism and the prejudices that are in this world. These children couldn’t be anymore a part of me than if I gave birth to them myself. They are in my heart and I love them with all of it.

    I asked her why she was crying, thinking she was upset that the man thought of me as a racist. She said she was upset because she wanted to yell at him but she got chocked up. She said she was mad because she knew I was going to vote for her and she wanted to tell yell at him that her mommy was not racist. I thanked her for wanting to defend me and told her that I loved her for it.

    My point is, before any of you Obama supporters “get in someone’s face”, please stop and think. You’re speaking to someone’s mother, daughter or sister. That person has experiences you know nothing about. Don’t assume you have it all figured out. And please, if there are children around, keep your opinions to yourself. To that man…whoever you are…you upset my daughter. You made a ten year old girl cry. That tore at my heart more than your words ever could, had you said them to my face.

    I’m sorry about the length of this, but I can’t post this on my blog because if my husband read that some man made his “little peanut” cry, he’d be waiting outside the store until he saw him. He doesn’t take that kind of stuff lightly. Say anything you want about him, but you upset his baby girl and all hells going to break loose.

    Thank you!
    Joanne

    Posted by: Joanne | September 20, 2008 at 12:09 AM

  102. H4T,

    Beautiful post and it starkly points out the thuggishism, the self-centered, entitled and racist attitudes of the BO camp.

  103. HillaryforTexas,

    Thank you for posting. I’m angry and sad at the same time.

    I think racism works on both sides of the aisle. If someone has the audacity to say that voting for Palin is racist, then I say to them that voting for Obama is just as racist. The whole idea is ludicrous and insulting.

  104. HillaryforTexas: that is a beautiful, poignant and instructive narrative. What this is doing to our children. The racebaiters dont care but the rest of us should. It starts at the top.

    Racebaiting is the unofficial strategy of the Obama campaign: It is the brainchild of four white men and two black people. They are:

    1. Barack Obama (candidate)

    2. Michelle Obama (first lady of hate)

    3. David Axerlrod (campaign strategist)

    4. Plouffe (campaign manager)

    5. Bill Burton (campaign spokesman)

    6. Chuck Todd (MSNBC/Politico)

    Question: what are they doing to our childen? what are they doing to tear apart the fabric of our society? And should we reward these racebaiters simply because they have cheated their way to the nomination and hijacked the Democratic label. (N.B. Remember these are not democrats. They conspired with Karl Rove–who is ostrasized by the McCain campaign).

  105. I’m glad John McCain said he would FIRED SEC Chris Cox for his lousy oversight because that news being played worldwide and brought attention to it.

    GWB is clueless with that “let the market decide” crap…what a idiot.

    The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY is fueling panic and acting like their hands are clean. THEY ARE ALSO PART OF THE PROBLEM with their special interests in FANNIE and FREDDIE and LET ME BE CLEAR that I do have knowledge on ALL the SPECIAL PET PROJECTS the DEMOCRATS placed on spending, banking bills.

    At the time I thought in 2003 – 2006 the Dems were right to fight for expanding Fannie and Freddie while many Republicans talked about making those institutions smaller.

    I wanted a balance nuanced middle ground but from what I’am hearing out of the Obamocrats right now is a rejection of the Clinton economic policies and a return to TAX and SPEND from Sen. Bernie Sanders and others.

    I’m STILL DISGUSTED with the DEMS FUELING PANIC and I have not forgotten Obama panic fuel speech on tuesday linking AIG to 911. Now he talking about the depression like it’s just around the corner…THIS IS ALL ABOUT FEARMONGERING FROM THE DEMOCRATS.

    AND SHORT SELLING SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD FOR 6 months or major limits placeds…I would be more upset if Microsoft went bankrupted, then those gamblers in financial banks that played 3 card monte with paper.

  106. I’m STILL DISGUSTED with the DEMS FUELING PANIC and I have not forgotten Obama panic fuel speech on tuesday linking AIG to 911. Now he talking about the depression like it’s just around the corner…THIS IS ALL ABOUT FEARMONGERING FROM THE DEMOCRATS.
    ———————————————
    He could talk us into one. He should STFU about this depression stuff. There are mitigating steps to be taken and he should showing confidence in those. But the last time I checked he did not even have a plan. If it were only pathetic I would say pathetic. But the truth is this level of incompetence is dangerous. Put differently, it is the game that ruins nations.

  107. and just think, if the worst calamity happens and he steals the throne in November, anything that doesn’t go his way will be blamed on everyone but himself. Not only will we have to listen to his whining but that of his wife as well.

  108. Let me remind DEMOCRATS, I don’t think Obama wants to give any credit to the Clintons, in my opinion he is like GWB in that regard and so are his advisors.

    They want to put their own stamp on things but what we soon forget is that only FDR and Clinton has earned the people trust with their money….Carter killed that TRUST and GWB is hurting Republicans.

    Obama seem to be in the Carter/BUSH mode which is ripe in FAILURE.

  109. With the GOP candidates showing strength among the state’s young, suburban women, they zeroed in on Anoka County.

    By BOB VON STERNBERG and MIKE KASZUBA, Star Tribune staff writers

    Last update: September 20, 2008 – 12:07 AM

    2008 Campaign Contributions

    John McCain and Sarah Palin brought their campaign back to Minnesota Friday, appearing before thousands of roaring supporters in a cavernous hangar at the Anoka County-Blaine Airport.

    At the same hour, Barack Obama’s backers filled Peavy Plaza in downtown Minneapolis — and roared back.

    With polls showing Minnesota reemerging as a battleground state in the election, the campaigns appear to be targeting key voter groups that could tip the balance.

    At both events, participants carried signs playing off the lipstick motif Palin has injected into the campaign — “Read my Lipstick” read placards at each rally — spelling out in red and white the key role women voters are expected to play on Nov. 4.

    Independent, middle-class voters are another crucial group the campaigns are wooing. A recent Star Tribune Minnesota Poll showed them splitting the independent vote almost evenly.

    But McCain and Palin also played to their base supporters, delivering slashing attacks against Obama in their remarks. Both were lustily cheered, unlike earlier appearances this week, when enthusiasm for Palin overshadowed McCain.

    “Our opponent points the finger of blame, but has he ever lifted a finger to help?” Palin asked.

    “NO!” the crowd responded.

    As vice president, Palin said, she will concentrate her efforts on government reform, energy independence and help for children with special needs, a personal priority because her 4-month-old son suffers from Down syndrome.

    When she talked about the need to diversify the nation’s energy supply, Palin was greeted by the “Drill, Baby, Drill” chant that had rocked the Republican convention.

    Palin condemned Iran’s attempt to develop nuclear weapons. “Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons — period!” she said.

    McCain decried this week’s Wall Street meltdown, saying if he is elected “the forces that brought down our economy will be out of business.”

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/28676954.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUqyE5D7UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

  110. Report: Organizers of Iran rally threatened with loss of tax-exempt status if they invited Palinposted at 10:49 am on September 20, 2008 by Allahpundit

    Name ‘em and shame ‘em. Seriously. Fox News and the Journal should be all over this. Judging from the number of Democrats quoted in the piece as being upset about it, there’s no shortage of people willing to leak. Let’s find out who, precisely, decided that inviting a prominent Republican to a nonpartisan rally might warrant a visit from the IRS.

    And then, in the words of a famous cult leader, let’s get in their faces.
    Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats.

    “This is insulting. This is embarrassing, especially to Gov. Palin, to me and I think it should be to every single New Yorker,” Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, told CBS 2 HD.

    Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate…

    The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, “it could jeopardize their tax exempt status” if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand…“It’s an absolute shame that this has happened,” Hikind said. “To threaten organizations … to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don’t withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we’re going to look into your tax exempt status … that’s McCarthyism.”…

    “I’m absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats,” said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. “I’m a Democrat and for the first time in my life I’m going to vote Republican. I can’t take it anymore.”

    NBC wrote about the tax-exemption issue two days ago but they made it sound like something the organizers had taken up of their own accord. Quote from an unnamed official involved: “The IRS is very clear, Hillary Clinton does not equal Sarah Palin… You have to have equal representation of candidates.” You do? Here’s the speaker list from last year’s anti-Iran rally at the UN. Scott Garrett is a Republican congressman; as far as I know, every other pol on the list is a Democrat.

    As for the Obama camp’s role in this, John Batchelor, who’s pals with rally organizer Malcolm Hoenlein, hints here that they weren’t directly involved in the nastiness because, as usual, they had surrogates willing to do their dirty work for them. Fine. As I say: Let’s find out which Democratic lawyers, precisely, arrived at the very novel legal conclusion that inviting both parties to a rally to which only one party RSVPs amounts to politicking in breach of one’s tax exemption.

    And then let’s ask St. Barack why he couldn’t find one person on his side — apart from the guy who called Palin a Nazi sympathizer a few weeks ago, of course — willing to speak at this rally to “balance” the ticket.

    hotair.com/archives/2008/09/20/report-organizers-of-iran-rally-threatened-with-loss-of-tax-exempt-status-if-they-invited-palin/
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    Obama is dangerous if you think he will not repeat this tactic again you are in denial.

    But what gets me is that these Jewish groups are talking about a major threat to their homeland and they just capitulated and did not fight back…what I don’t get is why didn’t they talk to the IRS if they were worried about their tax status?

  111. For those who want to know what evangelicals think:

    Sarah Palin: ‘Faith. . .Is My Foundation’
    by Grant Swank (9/20/08)

    Sean Hannity asked Sarah Palin about her faith in his Thursday telecast.

    Sarah Palin answered succinctly. She in short stated that “faith. . .is my foundation.” She went on to state that she does not wear her religion on her sleeve. She does not try to convert anybody.

    In her brief statement she was especially wise for liberals were just waiting for Sarah Palin to turn into a TV evangelist. They know she is evangelical, belonging to biblical believing communities and active in her community’s Assembly of God.

    Therefore, liberals were salivating for Sarah Palin to come off as a Bible thumper. She is not. She never will be. She is too wise to be so stupid as to fall for the trap that liberals would set for her.

    Sarah Palin is a born again Christian, totally committed to biblical ethics and holding faith in God to return this nation back to the God of the Bible.

    In that conviction, Sarah Palin derives her personal confidence. She knows that her life is not her own; it belongs to her Lord. Because of that she is fearless. Because of that she does not lash out at her foes but instead resigns them over to the Lord.

    Sarah Palin is an exceptionally savvy believer in that she knows how to grow in soul while working with all kinds of citizens—believers and non-believers. That is the route that any truly genuine Christian takes.

    Christ never forces Himself on a soul. “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone opens, I will come in with him to sup with him.” Christ’s words.

    Christ knocks on the soul door. He never pushes open the door.

    For Christ to force His saving grace upon any soul would be to rob that person’s free will. Christ created that free will; why would he then rob that from a human being? He doesn’t.

    So it is with a biblical believer. That disciple honors the free will of every other individual. So it is that Sarah Palin holds tenaciously to her own biblical convictions while giving every other mortal the
    choice to decide as he and she would like.

    Sarah Palin’s faith is her foundation. It makes her strong intellectually and spiritually. It provides her with a scandal-free lifestyle. It enables her to channel her energies creatively for family, friends and country.

    It is incumbent upon every like Christian to vote for the John McCain / Sarah Palin ticket in order to plant in Washington DC that kind of biblical faith.

    newsbyus.com/index.php/article/1589

  112. carbynew – from your article on the Iran protest:

    Fine. As I say: Let’s find out which Democratic lawyers, precisely, arrived at the very novel legal conclusion that inviting both parties to a rally to which only one party RSVPs amounts to politicking in breach of one’s tax exemption.

    ******
    This is ridiculous antic by the BO campaign -unless the organization is endorsing a candidate for office,is is fine…there is no reason why BO campaign couldn’t find anyone from their camp to speech to make it seem non-partisan…why not Biden, for example. It should’ve been Biden in the first place. OR, the organization could’ve had other Democratic officials, which it did. This is an argument without merit from the BO camp.

  113. What people don’t want to recognize it the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY undermining Gov. Sarah Palin accomplishments with demeaning and dismissive tactics like this.

    I also blame the Jewish groups for this debacle too…if they truly care for their cause they would have stayed neutral and independent…they are looking for access and power too.

    What I don’t understand is why the Obamacats did that to this Jewish group and not other groups?

  114. Obama is a negative person and he will never be happy unless the focus is on him. The only time you see him smilng and happy is when the lights is shining down on him and hubris overflow around him.

  115. I don’t understand why Clinton pulled out. This would have been her time to show the Demcratic why she should have been the nominee. Did they make her pull out?

  116. As for Hllary looking tired…. Just a little skepticism in service of optomism here. While she was running, we mostly saw her in rallly situations, or debates with at least part of the audience supporting her. She drew nourishment from that. We’ve seen her show up at a debate looking tired and then as it goes along she gets relaxed and rosy. — Now we’re seeing her in other situations.

  117. Question: if McCain wins narrowly, don’t you think Obama will try and run again in 2012, and his minions will be beating the drum that it was racism in 2008…? maybe that’s why all the media is running these “racism” memes.

    Ugh – I do not want to see another replay of this past year’s primary, and that Obama will still be thought of as the Messiah when he’s really an ambitious ass.

  118. Liberals seem to fear Palin
    Article Launched: 09/20/2008 08:09:43 AM PDT

    In reading the letters to the editor during the past week, you would think that Barrack Obama was running against Sarah Palin in the upcoming election. While contributors rant and rave over Gov. Palin, they seem to miss the point that she is not running for the office of president but is the nominee for vice president.

    Some truly ugly comments have been made about someone who has done little more than choose to get involved in public service, starting with the PTA and moving on to governor of Alaska. Comments such as “her only qualification is never having an abortion,” made by the head of the South Carolina Democratic Party, and disparaging remarks about her family.

    Where else but America can someone be verbally attacked and ridiculed for simply wanting to run for pubic office?

    It is apparent that those far-left liberal types feel threatened by this 44-year-old mother of five who has risen to governor in such a short time. I can only ask myself what is it that they fear? I have heard remarks that with her inexperience she would be but a heartbeat away from the presidency, as if John McCain is lying on his deathbed as he runs for office. The pundits talk of John McCain’s age and two successful skin cancer operations as if a death certificate were waiting to be signed.

    At my age, I do not think Sen. McCain is all that old.

    Let’s look at it from another point of view: Sen. Obama is only an election away from becoming president and his resume is not all that full of experience for becoming the chief executive officer and commander-in-chief of the United States. He talks of change but is so vague, I have no idea what changes he has in mind.

    As many voters are not aware, the president cannot make laws. This is done by Congress, and in the past four years the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid and our own George Miller have not been taking care of business. Why voters continue to put people into office who do not represent them is a mystery to me. Why voters put up with the partisan bickering in Washington is also a mystery.

    Carl Bazzell, Vacaville

    http://www.thereporter.com/opinion/ci_10517351

  119. article that looks at the Gallup poll closely:

    wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/19/how-liberal-trolls-are-working-to-get-mccain-elected-president.php

  120. wbboei Says:
    turndown said:
    Re rumours that HIllary might replace Biden …. In that case they would do it immediately and let HER do the first debate.
    ———————————————-
    won’t happen.
    ================

    I agree, for many reasons. I’m targeting the claim that it would happen AFTER the first debate. It twere done, should be done quickly.

  121. Hillary replacing Biden won’t happen because it would validate Obama is a WEAK leader because he should have picked her in the begining. While McCain shown true LEADERSHIP in his first choice.

  122. birdgal Says: turndown: are you hearing more of that? I don’t think, it would really help, do you?
    =================

    Mostly I get my news from here. 🙂 I think all this about Hillary replacing Biden is nonsense.

  123. I just had an interesting phone call regarding my ‘opinions’ about the candidates.
    One of the first questions she asked was whether or not I voted
    at the polling stations or as an absentee mail in voter!
    Since they asked for me by my name – first and last – I find this extremely suspicious and troubling.
    Any thoughts, is this standard questioning?

    btw, I asked her if she was part of ACORN. She said she did not know what that was, told me I did not want to participate in the poll and ended the conversation.
    I called her a thief.

  124. sounds like someone was trying to find out if they could steal a ballot or impersonate you at the polling station.

  125. Obama plans on stealing the election.
    That is why he thinks he can afford to be so flip and arrogant.
    That is why he does not try to appeal for your vote, he will try to steal it with absentee ballots. dead relatives, pets, children’s names, whatever.

    Is there any way at all to insure that someone is not voting an absentee ballot in another persons name?

  126. Thank you Moon. I believe you are right.
    Can they vote absentee using another’s name?
    This is fishy and stinks to high heaven.

  127. MIDem said: Is there any way at all to insure that someone is not voting an absentee ballot in another persons name?
    ==============

    Well, if we can encourage people go ahead and use their absentee ballots themselves — for the good guys! — that might help. Offer to mail the ballot for them or urge them to deposit it in a big blue mailbox instead of just their own curbside unlocked mailbox.

    Those of us who care enough might get our own absentee ballots sent to our PO boxes. At the time ballots should arrive, make sure everyone knows to expect their ballot, and to complain if they don’t get it. Maybe we could do some GOTV phoning that week and ask the people if they’ve got their ballot yet.

  128. Palin fundraiser pushed back; RSVPs are required

    Updated: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:15 PM PDT

    Those looking forward to seeing Gov. Sarah Palin in person at a county fundraiser will have to wait a tad longer than expected, with her original appearance date rescheduled for Oct. 4 at the Orange County Performing Arts Center.

    A host committee reception will kick off the night’s event in the Renee and Henry Segerstrom Concert Hall, with tickets costing $10,000 for two people with one photo opportunity for them, with an additional two tickets added for the regular reception at 5 p.m. A similar package is available for six people for $25,000. Two additional tickets are added for the regular reception.

    Tickets to the cocktail reception at 5 p.m. cost $1,000 or $2,500 with a limited edition label pin. All RSVPs must be submitted by Oct. 1. For more information or to buy a ticket, call Stacy Davis at (949) 474-6930.

    http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/09/20/topstory/dpt-palin092008.txt

  129. Sad state of affairs that Iraq would have an election that has more integrity than here in America.
    Chicago politics will be the order of the day, perhaps decades.
    The new status quo.

    Is there anything that can be done to prevent this.
    I see it coming and don’t know how to stop it.

  130. Basically if they intecept the ballot, they can try to, yes, I’m all for making all voting ID provable, sorry but it is necessary, no multiple ids, no vote.

    An idea i though was that everyones vote should be loaded onto an id card that you get from the state and include a pin and a secret passwords, like credit cards. You go to the polling station and your picture comes up when swiped to the election worker.

    But i think the only way to go is thumbprint or retina scanners for large precincts prone to fraud.

  131. Churchgoing Catholics returning to GOP fold
    By Ben Arnoldy
    Staff writer CSMonitor

    (AXcess News) Carson City, Nev. – Observant Catholics are returning to the Republican fold now that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has joined the GOP ticket – a shift that looks to be more enduring than a postconvention bounce. If the trend sticks, it will mark a partial setback for Democrats and the Obama campaign, who have vied vigorously for the pivotal votes of Roman Catholics.

    Before the national political conventions, presidential contenders Barack Obama and John McCain were about splitting the votes of white Catholics who attend church weekly. That was a weak showing for the GOP’s Senator McCain; in 2004, President Bush carried this group 3 to 2.

    McCain, however, has now opened a 16 percentage point lead among these Catholics, according to a poll released Thursday by the Pew Research Center. Still, there is good news for Senator Obama among Catholic voters: He continues to gain among Hispanics, two-thirds of whom are Catholic, and he is even with McCain in support among Catholics who attend mass occasionally or never.

    Catholics are an important subset in presidential elections. More than 40 percent of them are unaffiliated with either party. In key battleground states in the Midwest and the Southwest, they make up as much as one-third of a state’s electorate.

    But Catholics are not a monolithic bloc of voters.

    “There’s a contradiction: There is no ‘Catholic vote,’ and it’s important,” says John White, professor of politics at Catholic University in Washington, D.C.

    Like most political analysts, he sees Catholics as key swing voters who are fragmented along ethnic lines – Hispanic versus European ancestry – and by frequency of church attendance.

    “Democrats have to figure out how to reach church-minded Catholics. The problem for Republicans is how to reach out to people who don’t have ties to a church institution,” says Mr. White.

    For decades, Catholics have been leaving their traditional home in the Democratic Party, with more-observant Catholics in the vanguard. But during the past four years, some of those recent Republicans reconsidered, swelling the ranks of the unaffiliated. McCain appears to have won many of them back.

    “We have strong evidence that the Palin pick was the big part of it,” says Scott Keeter, director of survey research at Pew. Governor Palin’s large family and her decision to bear her fifth child despite a diagnosis of Down syndrome mean she embodies antiabortion beliefs dear to many observant Catholics. But McCain’s pick also reassured these voters on “a whole constellation of values issues that are important to conservative Christians,” he adds.

    The question now is whether either campaign can advance its position beyond its 2004 levels with any of the Catholic subgroups.

    Obama seems well on his way with Hispanics in general, trumping McCain 65 percent to 31 percent in a Zogby Interactive poll taken last week. Mr. Bush in 2004 got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote.

    http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/16802

  132. Thank you Turndownobama.

    Do they check absentee ballots against the names of those that voted
    at the polls? I think this is a real problem.

    That sob is trying to steal this election.

  133. you can forget about leaving a better life to your kids, your grand kids and probably your great grand kids.

    Our government is not working for the people and hasn’t been for a long time.

    Neither McCain or Obama and dare I say Hillary could fix this mess. (at least not for the immediate future)

    One way you can change things is to throw ALL of them out. 20 percent approval rating is not doing the work of the people.

    Oh but you like YOUR legislator? multiply that by 535 with no term limits.
    Everyone thinks they are doing a lousy job, but my rep/sen is the best…sure.

    Stop being fooled everytime an election comes.

    Demand FAIR redistricting in 2011/12, demand accountability. (no BHO these are not “just words”)

    Support alternative parties by placing qualified people in office. Run for office, march in the streets, yell out your window…do whatever it takes…cuz “they” won’t change unless you change them!

    POWER TO THE PEOPLE

  134. Women’s Group Condemns NOW Endorsement of Obama
    By Garance Franke-Ruta

    A group of Hillary Clinton supporters condemned the National Organization for Women’s endorsement of Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden earlier this week.

    “The New Agenda is concerned that NOW’s recent endorsement of Barack Obama leaves many women in this country out in the cold,” the nonpartisan nonprofit group said in a release Friday. “The endorsement seems all the more puzzling given the fact that the Republican Party is running its first female candidate for Vice-President, Gov. Sarah Palin.”

    The New Agenda points out that since its 1966 founding, NOW has previously endorsed at the presidential level only four times — and each time there was a woman on the ticket: Shirley Chisolm in the 1972 Democratic primary; Democrats Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro for the 1984 general election; Carol Mosely Braun in the 2003 Democratic primary; and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primary.

    “We find it quite perplexing that NOW has chosen to endorse an all-male ticket after not endorsing recent candidates such as Gov. Bill Clinton, Sen. Al Gore, or Sen. John Kerry,” said New Agenda co-founder Amy Siskind in the statement.

    The New Agenda represents the coming together of more than 30 prominent Clinton supporters, many deeply involved in the bitter Democratic primary battle, into a new post-primary initiative to fight media sexism. The group, explained Siskind in an interview, evolved from the Together for Us group of Clinton supporters founded by, among others, Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who endorsed Obama rival Sen. John McCain this week. The group also has drawn members from some of the other pro-Clinton efforts, such as Cynthia Ruccia, who during the primaries was a leader of the Ohio-based group Clinton Supporters Count Too, and, later, Women for Fair Politics.

    The New Agenda’s commitment to being nonpartisan reflects the split among its Clinton loyalists over who to support in the general election. But it also allows the group to try to press its anti-sexism agenda with both parties. Siskind said New Agenda has found the McCain campaign more receptive to its overtures, holding meetings with McCain surrogate Carly Fiorina and senior campaign strategists.

    “Through Carly, McCain had promised us he would have more women in his administration than any president in history,” said Siskind, who added that she felt the group’s pressure played some small role in McCain’s choice of Palin as his vice presidential running mate.

    Already, the group has come to Palin’s aid, and it has promised to watchdog the press on her behalf. “We cannot and will not sit idly by while another qualified candidate goes through what Senator Hillary Clinton had to endure,” said Siskind at the end of August.

    On the Obama side, the group has met with adviser Mark Alexander, the campaign’s one-time policy director, and is hoping for meetings with more central actors soon.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/20/womens_group_condemns_now_endo.html?hpid=topnews

  135. I’m so depressed. What has become of our democracy?
    With the exception of the Clintons it looks like everyone (dims)is/are on the take.

    I may never vote Democrat again.

    Will it take a world war before our politicians realize that integrity,
    valor and honesty means something?

    America is not just a money making opportunity and a free for all
    for those that wish to exploit others. It has to be more than that.

  136. No you can’t vote absentee using another name. Here at the board of elections here in Ohio, You have to request an absentee ballot. The board sends you an absentee ballot request form. you fill out the absentee ballot form send it in. You have to use the last four digits of your social, or your drivers license number, I forget the third one. Once the board verifies this is you, they will send you a ballot. When you vote absentee, the board issues a list of all the people that received an absentee ballot. it is then written into the book who voted absentee at the precinct. If someone comes in to vote and their name is in the book that they voted absentee they can still vote. but only on a provisional ballot. Most of the time these ballots do not count, because something may be false on them.

    On election day when voting at the precinct, you must have a current and valid drivers license, not an expired one, state issued photo ID, Military ID with name and current address, Utility bill must be for the past year, bank statement, goverment issed document. With PHOTO

    If the voter do not have one of these acceptable forms of id they have to vote what we call a provisional ballot. They have up to ten days to prove they are that person.

    I will be working as a presiding judge on election day.

    You must have the same address as recorded at the board of elections. If you come into the polls to vote with a different address than on the books you cannot vote. You will have to fill out a change of address card for the next election.

  137. Correction, you can still vote if your address is different , you just have to fill out a provisional ballot

    You are never turned away. You just have to fill out a provisional ballot

  138. Suspect Nabbed in Palin E-mail Hack
    By Steve Bosak
    September 20, 2008 9:22AM

    In a message on a Web site frequented by hackers, a poster who identified himself as ‘rubico’ explained how he cracked Sarah Palin’s Yahoo! e-mail account. The hacker tracked Palin’s e-mail address from materials posted in the media, then used the password reset function to access the account, gaining exclusive control of Palin’s e-mail.

    In the wake of hacking the Yahoo! e-mail account of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Web sleuths and the Feds may have nabbed the perpetrator. Meanwhile, Associated Press reporters were apparently in e-mail conversation with the suspect even as authorities were attempting to track him down.

    According to reports in Knoxville’s Tennessean, Democrat State Representative Mike Kernell admitted that his son, David Kernell is being questioned by authorities in connection with the crime. The Secret Service and the FBI launched an official investigation on September 17.

    Kernell, 20, is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Rep. Kernell refused to disclose any further information about his son, including his whereabouts.

    Not-So-Secure Security

    In a message on a Web site frequented by hackers, a poster who identified himself as ‘rubico’ explained how he cracked Palin’s Yahoo! account. The hacker tracked Palin’s Yahoo! e-mail address from materials posted in the media, and then used the ‘password reset’ function to get into the account.

    By successfully answering the account security question, ‘rubico’ was able to gain exclusive control of Palin’s e-mail by substituting his own password — ‘popcorn.’ The stored security question was: “Where did you meet your husband?” The hacker used online search to glean background information on Palin, and eventually hit on “Wasilla High School.”

    Analysts, of course, note that such security questions are less than secure. The hacker continues in his message to express frustration over his inability to download all the material. He then posted the password to the board after leaving screen captures of a few messages, family pictures and the inbox on the Wikileaks Web site, and asks other hackers to check out the material.

    Alarmed by the message, another anonymous message board member logged into the Palin account, changed the password again, then contacted the Palin family with the new password and a warning that someone had hacked the account.

    Tracking the Hacker

    After determining that ‘rubico’ had used a proxy server in an attempt to cover his tracks, it appears that the Ctunnel proxy service, operated by Gabriel Rumuglia, cooperated with FBI investigators to track the elusive IP address of the culprit by turning over IP cache records. The trail allegedly leads back to David Kernell.

    It appears Kernell’s YouTube, MySpace and e-mail addresses have been terminated; one email address began with ‘rubico10.’ Kernell apparently used variations on the ‘rubico’ handle on other Web groups he belongs to, such as a chess group and other e-mail accounts. Bloggers such as Michelle Malkin and the Register were instrumental in tracking down leads to the perpetrator and tracking the path of the hacker through a proxy service.

    Other fallouts from the hack are continued allegations in major newspapers that Palin was violating ethics standards by using a private e-mail count to conduct state business and the refusal of the Associated Press to turn over e-mail communications with the hacker. Some Web sites posted the e-mail addresses of Palin’s family members and even posted Crystal Palin’s cell phone number.

    The hacker Web site that ‘rubico’ posted on, 4Chan.org, was most recently in the news when some members coordinated an online information blitz and attack on the Church of Scientology.

    http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Suspect-Nabbed-in-Palin-E-mail-Hack/story.xhtml?story_id=110003SJWA8K

  139. Obama is a wimp. He always sends his loyal “thugs” to go out and do the dirty work so he doesn’t look bad. Hillary was tough, she could opposition amazingly.

  140. Palin to Meet With Karzai at U.N. Opening

    Sarah Palin will meet next week in New York City with Afghan President Hamid Karzai during the opening of the United Nations General Assembly, FOX News has confirmed.

    In the three weeks since the first-term Alaska governor was tapped to be John McCain’s running mate, Palin has attempted to prove her foreign policy credentials in the face of critics who say she’s untested on the international stage.

    She even challenged voters to play “stump the candidate” on foreign policy at a recent campaign stop. Her trip to New York is an opportunity to meet with several world leaders. A senior adviser confirmed to FOX News that Karzai has consented to such a meeting.

    Barack Obama, who faced similar criticism earlier in the campaign season, took a sweeping trip over the summer to Europe and the Middle East, including visits to Iraq and Afghanistan. During the trip, he met with several heads of state and delivered a high-profile address on trans-Atlantic relations in Berlin.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/20/palin-to-meet-with-karzai-at-un-opening/

  141. Women’s Group Condemns NOW Endorsement of Obama
    Updated 2:37 p.m.
    By Garance Franke-Ruta
    A group of Hillary Clinton supporters condemned the National Organization for Women’s endorsement of Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden earlier this week.

    “The New Agenda is concerned that NOW’s recent endorsement of Barack Obama leaves many women in this country out in the cold,” the nonpartisan nonprofit group said in a release Friday. “The endorsement seems all the more puzzling given the fact that the Republican Party is running its first female candidate for Vice-President, Gov. Sarah Palin, and the Green Party is fielding its first all-woman presidential ticket with Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente.”

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/20/womens_group_condemns_now_endo.html?hpid=topnews

  142. Just came away from NQ where the lead article is about missing/needing Hillary…watched the video a couple of times and read all the comments… if your heart isn’t already ripped, this will make you bleed all over again … reminded me … hmnn — what poem is this from? “of all sad tears of tongue or pen the saddest are these ‘It might have been’”

    riverdaughter the other day said that PUMA people are over the anger now — not me — I’ll never lose my anger at the people who did this to her — never.

  143. Elon Poll gives McCain edge in N.C.: GOP candidate earns more favorable ratings than rival Obama

    (Times-News (Burlington, NC) Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) Sep. 20–Republican presidential candidate John McCain fared better than his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, when North Carolinians were asked about their opinions of the two candidates.

    Fifty-four percent of people surveyed in an Elon University Poll view McCain favorably, compared to 37 percent who view Obama favorably.

    Asked about the vice presidential candidates, Republican Sarah Palin was viewed favorably by 49 percent. The Democratic candidate, Joe Biden, was viewed favorably by 41 percent.

    Sixty-seven percent of people surveyed said the vice presidential candidates will have at least some impact on how they vote.

    Asked which party they plan to support in the presidential race, 40.5 percent said they plan to support the Republican Party and 35 percent plan to support the Democratic Party. Twenty percent were undecided.

    The poll was conducted Monday through Thursday, with results released Friday. The poll was taken by the Elon University Institute for Politics and Public Affairs and surveyed 411 North Carolina residents. It is a sample of the general population and does not restrict participation based on voter eligibility or likelihood to vote.

    The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percent.

    The poll did not include a direct question about how people would vote in a match-up between McCain and Obama. Five surveys taken in North Carolina in September show McCain leading Obama, with the margin ranging from one percentage point to 20 percentage points, according to polling information available at realclearpolitics.com.

    The poll also asked people about their opinions in this year’s U.S. Senate race and governor’s race: In the Senate race between Republican incumbent Elizabeth Dole and Democratic challenger Kay Hagan, people were split evenly as to which party they plan to support. Thirty-five percent said they plan to support the Democratic Party in the race, and 35 percent plan to support the Republican Party.

    Forty percent of people said they approve of Dole, compared to 45 percent who said they disapprove. Thirty-six percent said they approve of Hagan, with 34.5 percent disapproving.

    In the governor’s race between Democratic candidate Bev Perdue and Republican candidate Pat McCrory, 37 percent said they plan to support the Republican Party and 35 percent plan to support the Democratic Party.

    McCrory had the approval of 37 percent of people surveyed and had a disapproval rating of 33.5 percent. Perdue had the approval of 37 percent of people surveyed and a disapproval rating of 34 percent.

    The poll asked people about what issues they think are most important nationally and statewide: People asked about the top issues nationally most often mentioned the economy. Ninety-two percent of people surveyed said the economy will affect how they vote. Eighty-six percent mentioned health care, 84 percent mentioned the Iraq war and 83 percent mentioned taxes.

    Top issues facing North Carolina were the economy (47 percent) energy and gas prices (10.5 percent) and elementary and secondary education (10 percent).

    Eighty-one percent of people surveyed think the country is “on the wrong track,” up slightly from a little more than 79 percent in April.

    People were also asked about the role of race, age and gender in the presidential election: Asked about the role of race in presidential elections, 96 percent said it makes no difference in how they will vote, up from 90 percent in April. With “all other things being equal,” 3 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a white person and less than 1 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a black person.

    Results were similar to an Elon Poll taken in April, when people were asked if they know someone who won’t vote for a presidential candidate who is black. Nearly 55 percent said they do.

    Asked about age, with “all other things being equal,” 74 percent said a candidate’s age would make no difference, up from 66 percent in April.

    Fifteen percent said they’d prefer to vote for a young person and 7.5 percent said they’d rather vote for an old person.

    Asked if they “know people that will not vote for a presidential candidate because the candidate for vice-president is a woman,” 72 percent said no and 23.5 percent said yes.

    http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/20/3661683.htm

  144. lil ol grape

    Maud Muller on a summer day
    Raked The Meadows sweet with hay
    Neath her torn grown glowed the wealth
    Of simple beauty and rustic health . . .

    Alas for the maiden alas for the judge
    For the rich repiner and household drudge
    God pitty them both and god pity us all
    Who vainly the dreams of youth recall
    For of all sad words of tongue and pen
    The saddest are these it might have been

    Maude Muller ( By John Greenleafe Whittier)

    I remember those lines from 50 years ago–funny what stays in your head

  145. Record crowd snaps up thousands of tickets

    By MATT DIXON, DAILY SUN

    THE VILLAGES — Thousands of people formed a line circling the pavilion at Lake Sumter Landing Market Square on Friday morning, each waiting to secure a ticket to attend a rally for GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

    Rich Cole, president of The Villages Republican Club, said that approximately 16,000 tickets were handed out Friday.

    Cole said that the Palin rally will rival any political event that The Villages has seen.

    Cole said McCain’s pick of Palin to be his running mate has done wonders for the Republican Party.

    “It has really energized the base; as the Republican Club president, I am thrilled with the pick,” Cole said.

    Villagers Joan Andre and Judy Martin also applauded the Palin choice.

    The sisters were first in line, arriving at 4 a.m. Palin is a woman who can rattle the status quo, they said.

    “She is fantastic, an intelligent woman who is against the establishment … she is just well versed,” Andre, a Village of Calumet Grove resident, said.

    “The thing I like about her is that she puts country first; that is what their ticket is about,” Martin added.

    The reason for their early arrival was simple: “We just really wanted to make sure we got tickets,” Andre said. Tickets were available from 9 a.m. to noon.

    At 8:55 a.m., five minutes before ticket distribution officially began, the line began to lengthen rapidly, eventually reaching near the Market Square sales center.

    Organizers of the event said that despite the overwhelming response, tickets for those planning to attend the rally will not be an issue.

    “We have 20,000-plus tickets; everyone here will get a ticket,” Jean Patterson, a volunteer at the distribution, said.

    The excitement seen Friday at Market Square could be seen as symbolic of the type of energy Palin has injected into the Republican ticket; just ask Villager Marty Morelli.

    “She has really pumped some life into the ticket,” Morelli said, “She just breeds honesty and integrity,” he said.

    http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2008/09/20/news/news01.txt

  146. thanks, wbboei — I recalled it too after I asked.
    Learned that poem in 7th grade — I’m 75 yrs old. As you say, “funny what stays in your head”

  147. Thank you Neetabug.
    I think that I am assured that the Chicago thug will not steal my vote. Perhaps I over-reacted. I am getting jumpy I suppose.
    I have never had a problem before and don’t really expect one this time
    either. Maybe it is a standard question to ask where one votes(whether in person or by absentee).

    Thank you Moon and Debbie and Everyone. My lifeline during trying
    times. THANK YOU ADMIN – ALWAYS!

  148. Sources: Intense Pressure Led To Palin UN Snub
    CBS2 local NY station video attached

    wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html

    watch the video, it’s very powerful and Hillary staff says she will give a speech about Iran Leader and acknoledge the event she pulled out of.

  149. # lil ole grape Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    riverdaughter the other day said that PUMA people are over the anger now — not me — I’ll never lose my anger at the people who did this to her — never.
    —————————–

    Same here. I had high hopes for American democracy and the Democratic party and what they did in the primary is unforgivable. The last thing in a democracy is to make people feel they have lost their voice. Looking at how the republicans are embracing Palin is all the more shameful for the Democrats, the supposed party of diversity, equality, tolerance and so on in what they did to Clinton. Hope we will get a second chance to right the wrong that has been perpetrated now.

  150. LIZ SMITH | PERSONALITIES
    “Danger, Will Robinson!”
    Sunday, September 21, 2008

    “Danger, Will Robinson!”

    Anybody who paid attention to TV in the 1960s remembers Robot B9 from “Lost In Space.” He was a hysteric, and as soon as some threat arrived, he’d flail his arms and shriek the above warning.

    I was reminded of the Robot while watching “Countdown With Keith Olbermann” on

    MSNBC. There were Olbermann and Rachel Maddow giving Sarah Palinanother night of million-dollar publicity. Hot flash to all Dems and pundits: “Danger! Danger!” You can’t win. Not on “Troop-ergate,” and not on something as absurd as Palin’s having a tanning bed in her home. High crimes, indeed.

    Even Newsweek’s Howard Fineman tried to convince Olbermann that “there’s a lot of nighttime in Alaska” and many in that state spend considerable time in tanning beds. She’s the governor and she has one in her house. Big deal! But Olbermann still wanted to make her the devil because she longs for a healthy bloom in her cheeks.

    Face it. The Republicans have brilliantly inoculated Palin. Nothing anybody finds out about her will make a whit of difference. Barack Obama has been accused of being a Muslim terrorist for the past 18 months. Hillary Clintonhas had every dire accusation flung at her over the past 20 years — including murder!

    Continued concentration on this woman from Democratic candidates and TV pundits who think they are doing Obama a favor is a mistake. Let it alone.

    http://www.statesman.com/life/content/life/stories/other/09/21/0921persons.html

  151. admin,

    your ongoing theme that Nobama cannot be trusted is extremely important. What concerns me is not only that Nobama can’t be trusted that the powers behind him cannot.

    I have been a moderate for many years and my stand is that too far to the left as well as too far to the right is exclusionary. I understand that the pendulum swings both ways but when it goes too far thats where I part ways with the status quo.

    I can not support the democratic party this time because the are moving too far to the left and at the same time I see the republicans for once trying very hard to come to the middle. (I’m in shock lol)

    What a lesson we have here!

  152. carbynew Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Sources: Intense Pressure Led To Palin UN Snub
    CBS2 local NY station video attached

    wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html
    ————————-

    I am not sure I like how Hillary reacted to this event. I certainly don’t agree with what the Dems did putting pressure on the organizers to uninvite Palin.

  153. carby..

    “Palin’s having a tanning bed in her home”

    this one really takes the cake as news worthy…

    I will appeal to my last breath that all the media gets restructured to offer unbiased, factual, news worthy representations.

    If we had public financing of elections…….the media would stop this nonsense, because their ad dollars would dry up. Seriously folks..make this mandatory!

    They should also get renamed as entertainment (doubtful in some cases) and not news, and further everyone of them should include disclaimers as such.

  154. ROE vs WADE IS OUTDATED by Cristi Adkins
    Don’t know if this is old news but it’s new to me
    h t t p://w w w.hillarygreenmountain.com/2008/09/roe-vs-wade-is-outdated.html
    Roe Vs Wade is outdated: It is a ’70’s answer in a new millennium age ripe with viable choices.

  155. ROE vs WADE IS OUTDATED by Cristi Adkins … Don’t know if this is old news but it’s new to me — h t t p://w w w.hillarygreenmountain.com/2008/09/roe-vs-wade-is-outdated.html
    “Roe Vs Wade is outdated: It is a ’70’s answer in a new millennium age ripe with viable choices.”

  156. debbie,

    I agree that the Dems may lose because Obama appears too far left. However I think this is a sham. He got his ‘far left’ rating for some socialissues like abortion (which he is now throwoing under the bus). Howver in action, on money issues he changes the fine print to favor the money side.

    Wbboei is right: Obama is a puppet of Wall Street (or worse).

    He is using both extremes — but this does NOT come out to middle.

  157. CountTheVotes Says:

    September 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
    article that looks at the Gallup poll closely:

    wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/19/how-liberal-trolls-are-working-to-get-mccain-elected-president.php
    *****************************************************
    This is a great article that is very long so please review. Those who are great at analyzing poll numbers can you verify if this is correct?

    EXCERPT:

    So, put it all together, and in the past week Obama has stayed steady or lost support in every party identification group, yet Gallup says his overall support went up four points. And McCain stayed steady or went up in every party identification group, yet we are supposed to accept the claim that his overall support went down by four points? Anyone have an answer for how that is even possible?

    Well, actually I do. There is one, and only one, possible way that such a thing can happen mathematically. And that way, is that Gallup made major changes to the political affiliation weighting from the last week to now. Gallup has significantly increased the proportional weight of Democrat response and reduced the weight of Republican response. Bear in mind that this assumes that people change the foundation of their political opinion like a showgirl changes costumes, which has no scientific basis or historical support whatsoever.

    As I said earlier, the Gallup Organization is very much a professional polling agency, who tries their level best to gauge the national mood. That, after all, is why I chose to use their poll for my examination. I could do the same thing with any other of the major published polls, and I can tell you straight-up that I would find the same practice going on everywhere. But just because something is popular, does not validate it as a scientific method. Rather than report the rising and falling levels of support for Obama and McCain with constant party identification weighting, the Gallup and other polls are shifting the party weights over time, which pretty explains how the ‘bounce’ happens for each convention. When the Democrats held their convention, the polls increased the weight of Democrats and lowered the Republican response, and when the Republicans had their convention, the polls gave the Republicans more weight.

    That’s why Palin made such an immediate difference in the polls; the Liberals were not all that impressed with her, but the Republicans were happy and with a bigger share of the weight their response was magnified. I can’t prove it, since the Gallup people do not invite me into their strategy meetings, but I think somewhere they are weighting the party ID by the mood as they see it. The problem there, is that such weighting is still very subjective, and what’s more it fails to consider that someone may consider themselves a member of one party with respect to the House and Senate races, but something else entirely when it comes to voting for the President. The state of Oklahoma, for example, is a very Democratic place, but it’s pretty solid for McCain, just as it was for Bush. So weighting a presidential poll for party identification on the basis of how they think someone will vote for Congress, is going to miss the mark.
    continue…..

    wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/19/how-liberal-trolls-are-working-to-get-mccain-elected-president.php

  158. can’t seem to post url for hillarygreenmountaincom — don’t know if this is old or new answer to abortion issue
    ROE vs WADE IS OUTDATED by Cristi Adkins
    Roe Vs Wade is outdated: It is a ’70’s answer in a new millennium age ripe with viable choices.

  159. South Dakota: McCain 54%, Obama 37%
    September 20, 2008
    (Angus Reid Global Monitor) – Republican John McCain holds the upper hand in the Mount Rushmore State, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 54 per cent of respondents in South Dakota would vote for the Arizona senator in this year’s United States presidential election, while 37 per cent would support Democratic Illinois senator Barack Obama.

    Nine per cent of respondents are undecided, or would vote for other contenders.

    In 2004, Republican George W. Bush carried South Dakota’s three electoral votes, with 60 per cent of all cast ballots. No Democrat has carried the Mount Rushmore State since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964.

    Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The presidential election is scheduled for Nov. 4.

    Polling Data

    South Dakota – 2008 U.S. Presidential Election

    Contenders: John McCain (R), Barack Obama (D)

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/31233/south_dakota_electoral_college_2008_x/

  160. Nevada: McCain 50%, Obama 43%
    September 20, 2008
    (Angus Reid Global Monitor) – Republican John McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama in the Silver State, according to a poll by Zogby Interactive. 50 per cent of respondents in Nevada would back the Arizona senator in this year’s United States presidential election, while 43 per cent would support the Illinois senator.

    In a survey by Rasmussen Reports, McCain holds a three-point lead over Obama.

    In 2004, Republican George W. Bush carried Nevada’s five electoral votes, with 50 per cent of all cast ballots. The Silver State has picked the eventual winner in every presidential contest since 1980.

    Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The U.S. presidential election is scheduled for Nov. 4.

    Polling Data

    Nevada – 2008 U.S. Presidential Election

    Contenders: John McCain (R), Barack Obama (D)

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/30996/nevada_electoral_college_2008_x/

  161. PM: I think it was appropriate for Hillary to cancel her appearance at this event. The organizers tried to ambush her by inviting Palin and never telling her about it. If you are organizing an event you never do something like this—particularly in this electrically charged environment. It was a publicity stunt they tried to pull at her expense and if I were advising her I would certainly support cancellation. When Hillary cancelled that left only Palin, and it was only a matter of time before Obama surrogates played their Chicago style protection scheme game on the organizers, whereupon they folded and disinvited Palin. This gave McCain the opening to accuse Obama of strong arm tactics. What should Obama have done? Hell, I am not advising him . . . okay just this once. If Obama wasn’t so addicted to threatening people he could have just sent Biden—if he could get him off the club car of the Amtrak Special—an abduction mission worthy of James Bond.

  162. Michigan: Obama 52%, McCain 43%
    September 20, 2008
    (Angus Reid Global Monitor) – Democrat Barack Obama leads Republican John McCain in the Great Lake State, according to a poll by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. 52 per cent of respondents in Michigan would vote for the Illinois senator in this year’s United States presidential election, while 43 per cent would back the Arizona senator.

    A survey by the Detroit News has both candidates virtually tied.

    In 2004, Democrat John Kerry won Michigan’s 17 electoral votes, with 51 per cent of the vote. The last Republican to carry the Great Lake State in a U.S. presidential election was George H. Bush in 1988.

    Incumbent George W. Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The U.S. presidential election is scheduled for Nov. 4.

    Polling Data

    Michigan – 2008 U.S. Presidential Election

    Contenders: John McCain (R), Barack Obama (D)

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/30938/michigan_electoral_college_2008_x/

  163. grape….perhaps what puma meant was that the anger we feel at O’s treatment of Hill has been matched or even overrun at his lies, his broken promises, his judgment, his treatment of Sarah, his ‘deal’ with Iraq, his fearmongering, the stealing of our votes, his associates…..need i go on?

    But like you, his denial to us of a really terrific and competent president, angers me beyond description.

  164. wbboei says “he could have just sent Biden—if he could get him off the club car of the Amtrak Special—an abduction mission worthy of James Bond.”

    ROFL! Thank you for the humor.

  165. wbboei,

    I agree. What is worse though is that the Dems thugged and bullied to get Palin off the ticket afterwards.

    For an event like this, an excuse that they didn’t want it to become a political moment is a mute one. If that was the case, why were Clinton and Palin invited in the first place?

  166. Obama Pays Women Only 78 Percent of What He Pays Men

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35972
    Great article, very detailed and cited. Registration and posting are easy, short string, goes right up.


    “Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.”

    Obama’s staff: 30 women to 27 men
    McCain’s staff: 26 women to 16 men

    ——–
    Imo Obama should apologize for and retract his remark about McCain’s staff being the ‘old boyz club’; it appears to be the other way around.

  167. carby…your reference to Lost In Space, which I worked on and where I met my husband, also made me think of Obama who is so Lost In Hopiness and the other show we worked on reminds me of the Dems’ election strategy: Voyage to the Bottom of the Barrel.

  168. wbboei said: If Obama wasn’t so addicted to threatening people he could have just sent Biden—if he could get him off the club car of the Amtrak Special—an abduction mission worthy of James Bond
    =========

    Yes, something looks very odd about this. I suspect just timing of news stories and/or of the groups’ decisions, or Obama’s usual tact.

    Palin is VP, so when HIllary cancelled, Obama should have sent his VP. Or some other Obama representative. For Obama to make a legal fuss seems very bad PR. But what else is new?

  169. The Democrats want to crush Palin but it will not work…even if Obama win, Palin is here to stay.

    She is a true STAR that has a base. What Palin has done is give WOMEN choice.

    No longer will the Progressive Women Moment, which has lost momentum, be the only face today women has to model themselve after. Even my Obama loving daughter decry the word feminist because she say they don’t represent me…she don’t know what to think about Palin because she Palin represent a threat to Obama…so at this time she in threat mode.

    But she does agree Palin is the future.

  170. someone in the NQ comments section posted this: I find it interesting because I cannot fathom this kind of anger – I see in Palin someone who has achieved their dreams, has found a partner who supports her large family and her career, and just because she is not a liberal, doesn’t make what Palin has achieved any less so:

    But, here’s an excerpt:nysun.com/national/palin-pick-puts-many-women-on-the-verge/86241/

    PALIN PICK PUTS MANY WOMEN ON THE VERGE

    Ms. Grose was not alone. More than 700 comments poured in, many from women who said they were experiencing a visceral hostility to Mrs. Palin that they were struggling to explain.

    “When I see people crowing about her ‘acceptable’ speech last Wednesday … I literally want to vomit with rage,” a comment from Anibundel said.

    “I am shocked by the depths of my hatred for this woman,” another commenter, CJWeimar, wrote.

    “It is impossible for me not to read about her in the newspaper in the subway every morning on my way to work and not come into the office angry and wanting to kick things,” a commenter using the name ChampagneofBeers wrote. “My boxing class definitely helps.”

    Even some prominent figures admitted to being overcome by anti-Palin feelings. “I am having Sarah Palin nightmares,” an acclaimed playwright and writer, Eve Ensler, wrote on the Huffington Post. She said she was disturbed by the chants about oil and gas drilling during Mrs. Palin’s speech to the Republican convention. “I think of rape. I think of destruction. I think of domination,” Ms. Ensler wrote.

    Experts and the women themselves offered differing explanations for the extreme reactions.

    “I think a lot of women felt insulted by the idea you could just take any woman,” a longtime editor of women’s magazines, Bonnie Fuller, told The New York Sun. “A lot of women feel it was a very cynical decision. … What got some women’s backs up was the idea she didn’t earn her stripes. It’s been so hard for so many women to get ahead both in business and in the political worlds and she just seemingly slips in.”

    Ms. Fuller also said she and other women were troubled by Mrs. Palin’s decision to have her daughter, Bristol, 17, on stage at the Republican convention, despite news reports about her pregnancy. “She was putting tremendous pressure on her 17-year-old daughter by putting her front and center at a time that has got to be very traumatic,” the editor said.

    Ms. Kricorian said some of the agitation was because women felt Mr. McCain was pulling off a political trick, using the novelty of selecting a woman to hide her conservative social and religious views. “The women thing is a ruse. … She was chosen because of the evangelical thing,” the writer said. “It’s weirdly stealthy that she’s not talking about it.”

    Ms. Grose posited that some of the anger was because Mrs. Palin, a former beauty pageant winner, resembled a high school homecoming queen. “She has always embodied that perfectly pleasing female archetype, playing by the boys’ game with her big guns and moose murdering, and that she keeps being rewarded for it,” Ms. Grose wrote.

    A psychiatrist and conservative blogger, Patricia Santy, said the strong emotional reactions are driven by Mrs. Palin’s differing with the left-leaning political agenda of many feminists. “Their entire image of themselves is based on the fact that they are paving the way for women. What do they see? Women getting ahead, women being empowered who don’t agree with them,” Dr. Santy said.

  171. Bidens drops Obama in the shit again, what is it with him. Talk about sending mixed messages.

    Biden: Obama Ain’t Taking My Shotguns; He’s Got a Problem If He Fools With My Beretta

    Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware sent a stern message to his boss, Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois to keep his hands off Biden’s guns.

    As reported by ABC News and Fox News this afternoon, Biden was trying to reassure rural Virginia voters that they have nothing to fear about losing their Second Amendment rights under an Obama administration.

    From ABC:”I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said Saturday at the United Mine Workers of America’s annual fish fry in Castlewood, Virginia. “Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you.”

    Biden told the crowd that he himself is a gun owner. “I got two,” Biden said, “if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem. I like that little over and under, you know? I’m not bad with it. So give me a break. Give me a break.”

    From Fox:

    Biden has said he doesn’t hunt, but shoots skeet with the two shotguns. “I like that little over and under, you know? I’m not bad with it,” he said today.

  172. whatever happened to that alleged debate the BO campaign was touting? the one between Obama and Biden?

    Is it because no one wants to watch Laurel and Hardy debate?

    Or did I just miss it.

  173. CTV it was a joke satired on the net, they figured that Biden and Obama agree on nothing, they may as well debate themselves.

  174. Palin’s take on this…

    Palin blames Dems for withdrawn rally invitation:

    BLAINE, Minn. (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin told supporters Friday that “Democrat partisans” had pressured organizers of an anti-Iran rally in New York next week to withdraw an invitation for her to appear.

    “This should be an issue that unites all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period,” Palin said at a rally ere. “Unfortunately, some Democrat partisans put politics first and now no elected official can appear. This should not be a matter of partisan politics.”

    Palin had been set to attend the rally protesting Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad organized by major Jewish organizations and sponsored by the National Coalition to Stop Iran Now. New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton also had been scheduled to appear at the rally, but canceled after learning Palin would be there, too.

    The former first lady, who suspended her own presidential bid in June, has sought to avoid any appearance with Palin, who has emerged as the new female star of the 2008 campaign.

    On Thursday, organizers announced that they had withdrawn their invitation for Palin to attend, saying they did not want the event to be overtly political. GOP hopeful John McCain criticized the move in a statement to reporters Thursday, suggesting Obama backers pressed for Palin to be disinvited.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-19-Palin_N.htm

  175. ctv: Women that are having a visceral hatred reaction to Gov. Palin are “liberal” women. I don’t hear about conservative women being up in arms about Palin, and espousing such vitrolic language and thoughts. The “liberal” women are jealous that a conservative woman has grabbed the spotlight, despite her anti-abortion stance, having a family, a husband, and hobbies. She is the first female governor of the rough and tumble state of Alaska. That is not to be taken lightly. She has been playing with the big boys in Alaska, and won. Instead of celebrating this, these narrow minded and jealous women are acting like spoiled sports. There are many ways to be a feminist. Sarah Palin is obviously her own woman, and has achieved more than most people do in a lifetime. I don’t have to agree with her views, but I can respect her achievements. As far as, the criticisms about guns, moose hunting, having a sea plane, belonging to the NRA, what a bunch of baloney. Alaska is not like the bottom 48, and those attributes are necessary in that environment. In addition, I’m sure if Bristol Palin did not want to be on that stage, she would have asserted herself, and said, “No.” Her boyfriend was with the family, and they all appeared to be happy. Why begrudge that? The McCain team did not pick just “any female.” If they had, they would have picked Bailey-Jones, Whitman, Snowe, or any other Republican woman. They picked Palin because of who she is, and what she offers. I am so ashamed of the dimocratic party, especially the women.

  176. Hackers hack O’reilly’s website now.

    Clever thing to do, he was heading Obama’s way and you just sent him back to slamming Obama.

    Visitors to the conservative Fox News reporter Bill O’Reilly’s website might be forgiven for thinking all was as normal. Yet more than 200 of its paid subscribers details have been posted in public after the site was hacked, apparently in retaliation over comments O’Reilly made following the Sarah Palin email hack.

    The US Presidential election trail was always going to be a dirty one. The notion of an open and transparent campaign really is sweet, but laughable. Things have started to get really muddy this week though, when the hackers got involved.

  177. lil ole grape Says: can’t seem to post url for hillarygreenmountaincom — don’t know if this is old or new answer to abortion issue
    ROE vs WADE IS OUTDATED by Cristi Adkins
    Roe Vs Wade is outdated: It is a ’70’s answer in a new millennium age ripe with viable choices.
    ===============

    I’ve been looking and looking for various key pharases here and can’t find it. Any more clues?

  178. birdgal, it just kills me that they ASSUME that she hunts and plays sports, etc because she is somehow trying to “play the boys game”.

    “She has always embodied that perfectly pleasing female archetype, playing by the boys’ game with her big guns and moose murdering, and that she keeps being rewarded for it,” Ms. Grose wrote.

    No, you dipshit Grose, many women hunt and shoot guns because they (GASP!) enjoy it. You ASSUME she is doing it to “please the men” because that is the only reason YOU would ever do it. But women all over this country hunt, and shoot, and ride 4-wheelers, and drive the tractor, and fish, because they LIKE DOING IT, and are GOOD at it.

    Once again these faux feminists prove that they are INCAPABLE of relating to other women outside of THEIR own personal experience. “I would never want do that, therefore any woman who does must be doing it just to please da boyz.”

    Ms Grose and the rest need to STFU laying down the law about what women can and cannot do, and opining about their motives. We women have had ENOUGH of that sexist shit from the guys, enough of their defining FOR us what we should and should not be. We aren’t about to put up with that same sexist defining of us from a bunch of ivory tower “feminists” who confuse THEIR political views with what it means to be a woman.

    STUFF A MOOSEBURGER IN YOUR BIG OLD YAP, MS. GROSE. YOU DO NOT GET TO FUCKING DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR EVERY WOMAN IN THE COUNTRY. YOU ARE AS BIG A SEXIST PIG AS ANY MAN I EVER MET. PIGGY PIGGY PIGGY PIG.

  179. freckles Says: grape….perhaps what puma meant was that the anger we feel at O’s treatment of Hill has been matched or even overrun at his lies, his broken promises, his judgment, his treatment of Sarah, his ‘deal’ with Iraq, his fearmongering, the stealing of our votes, his associates…..need i go on?
    =======================

    Personally, my sputter %$#%#%^# kind of anger had settled into a quiet calm resolve to elect McCain — and then along came Sarah and called us all to finish the glass ceiling and YAY!!!!

  180. # birdgal Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    shv: I thought the report had been released. They raised 66 million for August.
    ************
    IIRC, that was the August filing for the money raised in July..no report for money raised in August…very strange, usually if it is good news they release during the first week of the month and if not a good # they release as late as possible and try to spin. They try released the 66 million # late and spun it..even though they were 34 million short of what they said they needed to raise. They would have had to raise 120+ million in August to keep on their schedule.

  181. Hillary for Texas: Ditto. “STUFF A MOOSEBURGER IN YOUR BIG OLD YAP, MS. GROSE. ” I’m sure Gov. Palin would like to do that. Palin GREW UP doing those things, and they hunted for FOOD. Imagine that-HUNTING FOR FOOD. MS. Grouse and her ilk, are very ignorant and small minded people. They are jealous of Gov. Palin, because she has it all, and did not have to give up a husband, family, or career, in order, to have one of the other. She has it all. And she did this while, having a socially conservative point of view. How dare she.

  182. Bidens drops Obama in the shit again, what is it with him. Talk about sending mixed messages.
    ——————————————–
    and he does it with such panache

    hello: demon rum speaking

    go blue hens!

  183. # moononpluto Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
    Well the thunderstorms have arrived, i may disappear when the electric goes.
    First Rain in 7 months.
    **********
    I didn’t know that the Aegean coast was so dry.

  184. I saw this post on Riverdaughter, and every so-called feminist who is criticizing Gov. Palin should read this:

    “There’s been a lot of discussion about conservative women like Palin, and that cracking the glass ceiling is only OK if a woman is pro-choice. News 10 NBC asked Sen. Clinton if she shares that position. “I think it’s exciting that there is a woman vice-presidential candidate,” said Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D) New York. “Women from all walks of life and from different experiences, and certainly holding a wide range of beliefs, have made progress. I just want to see that progress continue. Obviously I support a different agenda, and will work hard in this campaign to sustain that agenda.”

    Sen. Clinton said Sen. McCain and Governor Palin don’t offer the kind of leadership that America is both yearning for, and needs right now. But she respects what Palin has accomplished. “You see, I don’t think there is a contradiction between applauding someone’s success and disagreeing with that person.”

  185. When Hillary goes out on the campaign trail msm the msm headline is always that she is there to campaign for obama and only obama.

    Fine. But like everything else msm reports it isnt entirely true. The truth is she made promises to to the public officials who supported her candidacy to support them in the general election and that is what she is doing, and yes supporting the nominee while she is there.

    But msm lies to us by making it appear that she is out there only for him.

    I am at the point anymore where I will not waste my time reading any publication or website that will not accept reader feedback. If you look at msnbc there communication is alway one way-no vehicle for reader feedback. If you write letters to them they ignore you. They are nothing but a propaganda mill and there is no point listening to their one sided bullshit.

  186. HFORT,

    A tangent here, but to me “playing the boys’ game” or “playing with the boys” describles what I love in Hillary and see in Palin also. Not about hobbies, but the way they romp around in debates, interviews, etc. Having fun with it, with the competition with whatever male is head to head with them…. Meeting the male dominant style with a female mocking style, skewering them hard where they don’t expect it, and with a smile….

    Hillary came by this literally, according to a good bio piece months ago — her father taught her to play hardball with the neighborhood boys, which included their style of … stoicism? Toughness? Iirc the title was “Growing up Rodham.”

  187. birdgal, it just infuriates me. It is PIGGISH. We fought against the Right saying , “She wants a career? She must be a lesbian or something. She wants to be a man. Real women wouldn’t want that.”
    Now we have to fight the Left saying, “She wants to shoot moose? She must be trying to suck up to the boyz. She’s trying to be a man. Real women wouldn’t want that.”

    ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH! NO NO NO NO!!!

    Oh, and in answer to “the ceiling must be broken by a pro-choice woman” is is HOGWASH. Know who else was pro-life? SUSAN B. FREAKING ANTHONY

  188. I guess I would ask if how many women who are pro-life supported Hillary when she was running?

    No candidate is going to be everything to everyone. I freely admit that I am pro-life but a die-hard Hillary fan.

    Why isn’t it possible for the opposite to happen i.e. those who are not pro-life supporting Palin because there are enough things about her that they like?

  189. birdgal – I assume both of us are liberals, and many other women on this board. I don’t feel rage at all and frankly, don’t understand why a contingent of liberal women have these feelings – but I see my opinion of Palin as part of the same trajectory of growth that came from what I saw in the primary with Clinton – the hypocrisy of those who throw out their values simply because the target is someone they do not like. It is rationalized hatred is what it is.

    I like Clinton’s answer that you posted- is it how I feel too:

    I think it’s exciting that there is a woman vice-presidential candidate,” said Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D) New York. “Women from all walks of life and from different experiences, and certainly holding a wide range of beliefs, have made progress. I just want to see that progress continue.

  190. turndown says: “A tangent here, but to me “playing the boys’ game” or “playing with the boys” describles what I love in Hillary and see in Palin also. Not about hobbies, but the way they romp around in debates, interviews, etc. Having fun with it, with the competition with whatever male is head to head with them…. Meeting the male dominant style with a female mocking style, skewering them hard where they don’t expect it, and with a smile….”
    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Exactly. They can play with the boys, and win. You are right.

  191. JanH, that is another thing that bugs me this year about the Left. They have for YEARS castigated pro-life women for being “single issue voters”. They went on and on about how it was fine if they were pro-life, but why did they vote ONLY on that? How stupid! How narrow!

    Now they are insisting the all Liberal women be single-issue voters.

    Nope.

  192. ctv: “I think it’s exciting that there is a woman vice-presidential candidate,” said Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D) New York. “Women from all walks of life and from different experiences, and certainly holding a wide range of beliefs, have made progress. I just want to see that progress continue.”

    —————————————————————————————————–

    That statement is part of why, we love her so much. She can see the total picture, and put her own feeings aside for the moment. She knows, how it feels, to have so many people antagonistic towards you.

    I don’t agree with Palin’s views, but I can respect her accomplishments. I also love it, when she can skewer the dimocrats, especially BO.

  193. Admin, texan4Hillary, confloyd, all…

    as nurse – been dealing with first responders – tetanus, hep a vaccinations, storm-related injuries since Hurricane Ike slammed us here in SE TX. Body bags, bodies washing ashore, alligators and snakes – you get the horrible picture. Worse than Rita, and worse than Katrina due to the far-reaching effects…Galveston and Bolivar peninsula – my “Beach Boy” heydey hangout…decimated just like the 1900 Storm…ironically the meteorologist who was scoffed at before the 1900 Storm but predicted its eventuality was named Isaac “Ike” – chronicled in the book named about him – Isaac’s Storm. Further my grandfather who was 7 years old at the time and recalled the thousands of cattle also lost to the 1900 Storm was named Isaac, or “Ike”.

    No electricity where I live yet, no national news, except bits here and there…looks like everything has literally gone to hell in a handbasket with our belly-up economy…terrorists bombing in Pakistan…..sounds more and more like it will definitely take McCain-Palin to stare down the culprits at some point in time, a la Enron…and save our asses…since HRC is being pimped out by the Dimocrats. How much worse can this get? Salvaged my trunk full of WWII and JFK assasination collectibles, stored nearby. Got roof damage, water damage…what a huge mess…but at least my family is alive.

    With BHO inching up in polls unbelievably…time to start bombing the DNC with shock and awe days before early voting starts, if you ask me. And I mean lob every damn thing you’ve got. Shock and Awe until the landscape is level…keep the upper TX Gulf Coast and far west LA coast in your prayers…if any of you saw Rick Sanchez right before storm at Morgan’s Point…that is where I stayed in the aftermath of Rita in 2005…at the Sterling Mansion, or the Texas White House when deployed to St John Hospital across from NASA…thank God it survived the surge with only roof damage……

  194. I scarcely see any of Palin’s critics looking at where she draws the line betwen her PERSONAL choices, and what choices should be available to others, and how much if any she should use her political power to push those social issues.

    USA Today had an excellent article titled “Palin governs from the center.’
    It said that she got her 80-90% approval rating and her success in reform, by staying out of social issues so as not to offend the Democrats.

    Persoanlly, my feeling right now, is that I’d rather have a social conservative who recognizes and protects the separation of church and state — than a social liberal who wants to muddle them and to slant things for his own agenda.

  195. birdgal,

    Do we KNOW what Palin’s POLITICAL views are, or how far she would push them?

    She is on record (from a debate in 2006) as favoring sex education in schools including teaching children about condoms, because “some children may not learn that at home.” This sounds pretty liberal to me.

  196. First the women (and the media and the DNC) despised Hillary Clinton. Oh, sure, they’d love to support a woman, just not THAT woman.

    Now the women (and the media and the DNC) despise Sarah Palin. Oh, sure, they’d love to support a woman, just not THAT woman.

    Anybody see a pattern here? Sounds like self-loathing women to me.

  197. During the primary the union was able to tell the truth about Obama, whereas now it is coerced unity. But when rank and file members go to vote, they need to remember what was said at a time when the truth could still be spoken:
    ———————————————
    OBAMA IS NO FRIEND OF WORKING PEOPLE

    WASHINGTON, Dec 31, 2007 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ — The president of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) is urging Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) to dry his crocodile tears over the loss of more than 1,600 jobs when Maytag moved from Galesburg, IL, to Reynosa, Mexico.

    “He didn’t lift a finger to help those people when they needed help the most,” said IAM President Tom Buffenbarger, whose union represented the workers at Maytag. “Even now, he doesn’t have a clue and thinks those jobs went overseas and not to Mexico.”

    In recent campaign speeches, Sen. Obama has repeatedly cited the plight of Maytag workers in his bid to win sympathy and support from union members battered by factory closings and lost jobs.

    “This is the same candidate who recently labeled unions as ‘special interest’ groups with too much influence in Washington, D.C.,” said Buffenbarger. “For the last eight years, we’ve defended our members’ jobs, pensions and health care benefits against a political agenda that’s been openly hostile to unions and working families.

    But a Johnny come lately candidate won’t solve the problem facing blue collar families.”
    The IAM is among the nation’s largest and most politically active labor unions, representing nearly 720,000 members in manufacturing, transportation, shipbuilding and defense related industries. For more information about the IAM, visit http://www.goiam.org.

    SOURCE International Association of Machinists and Aeros

  198. hwc: sounds like misogyny to me.

    Turndown: Since Palin has been governor, her focus has been on oil and energy issues. She has not pushed any socially conservative views, but she has needed the cooperation of dims to get her own agenda items through. We don’t know how far she would push things, because that has not been her agenda. We know, she believes in drilling: drill baby, drill. I hope, if McCain/Palin get in the White House, they would push the oil companies to start using the leases and reserves that they already have. Right now, the oil companies make more money not using their reserves and leases to their full potential.

  199. hwc Says:

    September 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    _______________________________________

    The question we need to ask those hypocrites is: if not her then who? If not now then when? (Ruth Marcus)

  200. THIS IS PARTLY RUMOR.

    There is evidently talk on all the financial trading boards that some bigtime short-sellers might have deliberately caused the crash this week. Evidently this was NOT the usual players, but some big money moving in a concerted way.

    Cramer brings it up, referring to “financial terrorism” to “bring down capitalism”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj0Vwnt1CLs

    An economist article speaks of the SEC looking onto suspicious short-sellers:

    “the Securities and Exchange Commission, America’s main markets regulator, brought back curbs on “naked”, or potentially abusive, shorts. It also rushed out a proposal forcing large investors, including hedge funds, to disclose their short positions.”

    http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12270509&source=features_box1&ref=patr

    This stinks of Soros to me. This stinks of a “help Obama” tactic by some of his shadows.

    Read SHOCK DOCTRINE– by Naomi Klein. It postulates just this sort of thing, and Obama is in bed with this bunch. Many of Obama’s financial advisers are from the same Chicago school of Economics.

  201. hwc Says:
    First the women (and the media and the DNC) despised Hillary Clinton. Oh, sure, they’d love to support a woman, just not THAT woman.

    Now the women (and the media and the DNC) despise Sarah Palin. Oh, sure, they’d love to support a woman, just not THAT woman.

    Anybody see a pattern here?
    ===============

    Yup Those Hillary/Sarah types are the women who actually WIN a large popular vote!

    Pelosi got elected in her district by a dynasty family, and as Speaker by the other politicians (and lord knows what sort of backroom deals). How did Sibelius, McCaskill etc get elected?

  202. I got this response from a friend of mine on the impact of the bailout. This is the direct result of the failure of Pelosi and Reid’s incompetence and Bush and Cheneys intransigence. Hillary warned them about this and proposed a solution in time. So did McCain. I do not recall that Obama giving any warning and even now he has presented no plan except fear mongering.
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    Bill — The argument is essentially correct. The American people will pay in several ways:

    1. Decline of the value of the dollar, as the bailout swindle is inflationary, meaning we will have to pay more for everything;

    2. Increased debt (the enabling bill proposed by Bush and Paulson this morning includes raising the debt ceiling by $200 billion) means more money out of next year’s budget in principle and interest payments, i.e., less for social programs, infrastructure, etc.

    3. The increased cost of servicing government debt means the interest rates charged will go up, as there will be a real question of whether or not the U.S. can afford to make debt payments

  203. Read SHOCK DOCTRINE– by Naomi Klein. It postulates just this sort of thing, and Obama is in bed with this bunch. Many of Obama’s financial advisers are from the same Chicago school of Economics.

    **************
    Obama is a Socialist..for the rich..Privatize the the profits and socialize the risk. Hedge fund managers with >$1 billion a year income, paying 15% tax rate…but when they screw up, it’s the middle income tax payers that bail them out. All of the Obama/Rezko et al “business dealings” tax dollars, the crooks rake their fees off the top and throw away the rest of the money…

  204. The Chinese may have the best idea for free-wheeling Capitalism. Take as many risks as you want but if you screw up and get caught…you become an organ donor. In the US, steal all that you can and if you get caught the tax payers pay the bill. IIRC, Franklin Raines who helped send Fanny Mae into the tank, was forced out with $110,000 per month and other goodies as a severance pkg.

  205. Yeah, i bet it leads back to Soros, if they prove someone deliberately destabilized the markets to help Obama, he’s toast.

  206. birdgal Says:
    Since Palin has been governor, her focus has been on oil and energy issues. She has not pushed any socially conservative views, but she has needed the cooperation of dims to get her own agenda items through. We don’t know how far she would push things, because that has not been her agenda. We know, she believes in drilling: drill baby, drill. I hope, if McCain/Palin get in the White House, they would push the oil companies to start using the leases and reserves that they already have. Right now, the oil companies make more money not using their reserves and leases to their full potential.
    =============

    Right! If anyone needs cites for all that info, see USA Today article “Palin governs from the center”

    Hm. The oil companies want ‘off shore dirlling’ and other areas opened TO THEM to hold leases on. But they don’t want to drill the oil, just leave it underground to lubricate their stock portfolios. I wonder if some of the ‘anti-drilling’ sentiment is less real environmentalism and more the oil companies wanting an excuse.

    Wonder how much of that oil stock the Pelosi family has. Is it the planet she wants to save, or her portfolio?

    Anyway, Palin seems to know all about this stuff and beat the oil companies into better practice. Maybe that’s a motive for soem old elite families to oppose her.

  207. curiosityhasme,

    Good to hear from you but it sounds like you’ve been in a nighmare!
    Glad the damage wasn’t worse and that you got electricity back.

    Hang in there and let us know how you are, k?

  208. Ah..Obama does an encore of his “Malcolm” speech in FL today:

    “Obama told the Florida crowd of 12,000 today, “I will cut taxes. Don’t believe what those folks say. Don’t let them run the okey doke on you. You heard of the okey doke. Don’t let ‘em bamboozle you. Don’t be hoodwinked. I will cut taxes, cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families.”

    http: / / countusout.wordpress.com/

  209. I just had a blackout for 2 hours, i sat on the sofa looking out the sea with a bottle in my hand. Sometimes i wish technology didnt exist so people had to talk to each other properly and read and do things.

  210. SHV Says: Obama is a Socialist..for the rich..Privatize the the profits and socialize the risk.
    =============

    What a great way to describe it!

  211. SHV, he was in Jacksonville. Biggest AA population in FL. That’s why he trotted out the “don’t trust whitey” card again.

  212. shv: he is disgusting. lies, lies, lies. He is going to cut taxes in this economic environment? Yeah, right.

    Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted.
    Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted.

  213. # turndownobama-com Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    SHV Says: Obama is a Socialist..for the rich..Privatize the the profits and socialize the risk.
    =============
    What a great way to describe it!
    *************
    I can’t tkae credit for that but it’s an accurate description of the Bush/Obama theory of economics.

    And cut taxes 95% for working Americans..give me an f’ing break…Bush is already asking for an initial $700 billion to bail out his buddies and the real economic shit hasn’t hit the fan yet…that won’t happen for another 2-3 years. At some point in time, the Chinese are going to stop throwing good money after bad and just let our economy sink.

  214. Curiosity, Soo glad you and yours are OK. Unbelievedable has IKE been. A category 2, OMG, what would have happened had it been a cat 4 or 5 like I went thru in 1970. LOts of heartattacks at our hospital. People just fell hopeless after their loss. I also want to tell you people who work at the hospitals are running out of clothes for work. No one has water and are taking cold showers at the hospital and children are being taken care of by the hospital in some places. This happened my first week of work in the Woodlands, I can’t imagine it could be any worse! Again, glad your ok. We got electricity last wednesday. I was having to hunt for ice to keep my husband insulin cold.

    Soros has to be behind this crap. I am scared for my country for the first time in my life!!

  215. Financial terrorism is the right word!!!!
    I hope they reveal the short sellers by next week!!!

    Guess it has some big names!!!

  216. hwc…………you got it! Many of these libral feminists felt the same way about Hillary. “I’d love to see a woman but not that one”.

    “Hillary is a warmonger, a corporate tool, and only got there because of her husband”

    Sarah isn’t in the pocket of big oil, didn’t vote for the war and isn’t gov because of her husband.

    Neither of these two women will do. So who will?

    Also, they do have a lot in common. They have spent their lives in service to others, both care a great deal about “the people”, and seem to live their lives according to their beliefs. That’s character! And I guess that’s why they’re so hated.

    Even their abortion beliefs are not all that different. I’m not sure Hillary would have an abortion but she believes that women should decide for themselves. Sarah also won’t have an abortion (although she says she thought about it) but has shown little interest in insisting that others agree. It is Hillary and Bill that tried to get abortions to be safe, legal, and rare. Sarah probably wouldn’t hate that.

    Meanwhile, liberalism, feminism, and the media have taken a huge hit. They have all become like a college sorority who turn up their noses at their unpledged classmates and despise anyone who doesn’t attend their school. They also disapprove of any sister dating a non-fraternity male.

    That’s how it was in my day and the funny part was that sororities were banned at Stanford (women were committing suicide when rejected) but the same snooty, mean attitudes remained.

  217. I am scared for my country for the first time in my life!!”
    *************
    Me too!! I grew up hearing stories from my parents about surviving the Great Depression. If John McCain has any thought about his place in history, he will use his one term in office to take-down the “Post-Partisan, National Combine” of corruption in this country. The Country is ready for another TR.

  218. In an e-mail:

    “FORMER HILLARY CLINTON ACTIVISTS MIGUEL D. LAUSELL
    AND LUCHY SECAIRA ENDORSE JOHN MCCAIN
    As Democrats for McCain Ranks Continue to Grow, “Change Is Coming”

    For Immediate Release
    Friday, September 19, 2008 Contact: Press Office
    703-650-5550

    ARLINGTON, VA — The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced the endorsement of Miguel D. Lausell, Senior Political Advisor to Hillary Clinton, and Clinton Delegate-at-Large Luchy Secaira.

    “Although I supported Hillary during the primaries, I now support John McCain and Governor Palin because I am putting my country first,” said Secaira, former Hillary Clinton Florida Delegate-at-Large. “They have the experience and judgment to lead America through these difficult times, and I trust them to work with Democrats to do the right thing for our country.”

    Lausell, who advised Senator Clinton on a variety of issues including international trade, telecommunications and Latino affairs, added, “John McCain has a long record of reforming government and working across the aisle to achieve bipartisan results. His courageous leadership is exactly what we need in the White House, and I am convinced that John McCain is the right leader at the right time for our nation.”

    Both Lausell and Secaira supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries, but they will campaign for the McCain-Palin ticket.

    Lausell has served as President and CEO of the Puerto Rico Telephone Company; Executive Director of the Puerto Rico Telephone Authority; a member of the Governor of Puerto Rico’s Economic Strategic Council; President of the Export Policy Commission of Puerto Rico; and Undersecretary of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico. He served on the National Finance Board of the Gore 2000 Committee and was a member of the Democratic National Committee’s Leadership 2000 Board.

    Secaira, who is of Dominican descent, traveled to eight states to coordinate grassroots efforts for Senator Clinton, has a doctorate of neuropsychology and was trained at New York University.

  219. Freckles
    What riverdaughter said was: “let’s get one thing straight: most PUMAs are over the anger stage. Now, they are responding with cold blooded pragmatism. They have one goal- to be absolutely certain that Barack Obama is defeated.”
    While I agree that we are h-bent on getting O defeated for reasons somewhat unrelated to the treatment of HRC, but I think most of us are still angry and always will be angry and vengeful toward those responsible for such corruption and ill-treatment of HRC and women in general.
    The quote is from riverdaughter’s “The Sense of the Species” posted 15 Sept – a very good summation of where we are now – sort of a “State of the PUMA Address”

    • turndownobama-com Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pm il ole grape Says: can’t seem to post url for hillarygreenmountaincom — don’t know if this is old or new answer to abortion issue
    ROE vs WADE IS OUTDATED by Cristi Adkins
    Roe Vs Wade is outdated: It is a ’70’s answer in a new millennium age ripe with viable choices.
    ===============I’ve been looking and looking for various key pharases here and can’t find it. Any more clues?
    ———————————————————
    This can be found going through JSND – it was top of the list there earlier today. The post was overwritten but the examples made a good point, I thought – also wondered what some of you might think about it.

  220. The Chinese may have the best idea for free-wheeling Capitalism. Take as many risks as you want but if you screw up and get caught…you become an organ donor. In the US, steal all that you can and if you get caught the tax payers pay the bill. IIRC, Franklin Raines who helped send Fanny Mae into the tank, was forced out with $110,000 per month and other goodies as a severance pkg.
    ——————————————-
    Organ Donor Capitalism= accountablity.

  221. grape…..I wholly agree with you and riverdaughter.

    I was just adding some of the things that also make me angry. And depressed.

  222. this would be funny, if it weren’t happening:

    lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/09/what-they-reall.html

    (excerpt)

    Do Whatever You Must to Trick Former Hillary Supporters into Voting for Barack

    Eat Crow? Hell Yes, to Win This Election

    The Obama team is suddenly making a huge effort to gain women’s votes, but many die-hard Hillary supporters — dozens of my acquaintances — remain bruised and confused. The fact that Palin is on the ticket when HRC wasn’t even vetted may turn out to have been the major gaffe of Axelrod and Company, and the tipping point of this tight election.

    If you’ve been an outspoken Obama supporter from the beginning, it’s time to make amends with Hillary supporters you know. Arguing with, or browbeating them to get on board is counterproductive, but showing you’ve come around to respecting Hillary may ease their hurt enough to do the trick. (Even if you don’t mean it. This is politics.)

    Here’s what you can do:

    Eat crow. To get started, memorize this phrase, take a deep breath and say: “Now that I see how unqualified Sarah Palin is, I realize how I misjudged Hillary Clinton. Even Biden said she would have made a great vice president.” Saying you wish she were the presidential nominee may go too far, and you may not be able to get it out. But if the Hillaryite brings it up, don’t argue, and see below

    Let the HRC voter vent.You may have to draw on every bit of patience you have. You may have to hear once again how unfair it is that the Repubs chose Palin, and the Dems ignored Hillary, and that the party would assuredly be ahead if she were anywhere on the ticket. You may have to hear old-news complaints about sexism and Jack Cafferty’s curmudgeonly comments, David Shuster’s pimping Chelsea insult, the Monica mentions, the tougher debate questions for Hillary. Do not look like you want to run and soak your head in vodka, even if you do. Do not talk unless asked. Listening without argument is the major way to keep this potential voter attainable. Act empathic. Nod your head in agreement when the subject of Palin or Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann’s Hillary-bashing commentary is mentioned. Learn these phrases and use them every so often: “I imagine it must be hard.” “It must seem unfair.” “I know, you wanted to see an accomplished woman as president in your lifetime.” “I can understand your being hurt (sad, mad, furious, despondent, livid, resentful, apoplectic, intransigent, inconsolable, red-faced, nauseous, wretched, shit-faced”). Again, do not argue. Just listen.

    Do not praise Obama.I know, this seems ridiculous, but now is not the time in this chain of events. Also, do not praise Michelle or their daughters. If the HRC supporter praises, agree and move on. This is not so much about Obama as it is the closure about Hillary’s run, which remains a wound to some. Take a breath, and move to the next step, which may be the hardest.

    Praise HRC.Never mention her flaws. Be gracious and do not bring up her vote for the war, or her “dirty campaign.” Do not allude to Bill. Instead, try to find something you can praise with some conviction — some version of “By the end of the campaign I could understand why people were so enthusiastic about Senator Clinton (not “Hillary”). I saw her toughness, her brains, her heart.” “She is gracious and helpful in defeat.” And especially, “Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.” You may have to go back to steps one and two. Nobody said this would be easy.

  223. wbboei Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    Organ Donor Capitalism= accountablity.
    *************
    Waste not want not..The transplant business is another good source of foreign exchange for the Chinese. I was in Hong Kong ~15 years ago when their was a major “mainland” national holiday. Executions had been halted for a week…The Hong Kong newspapers were reporting that there was a shortage of hotel rooms due to the back-up of people waiting to go to the mainland for a transplant.

  224. ctv: Isn’t that a very condescending article? They don’t have a clue.

    Freckles, As you can tell, I am not very ambivalent, am I? Today, I received a copy of MORE magazine. I had to trash it, because MO’s severely airbrushed mug was on the cover. I couldn’t bring that magazine instead my house. LOL.

  225. In our rage and disgust at Dem elites and Wall St and Big Biz and those weasels who left a mess for us while getting umpteen millions…….we also have to blame all of us who allowed this living beyond our means to go on for ages. We taught politicians to lie to us by punishing them for the truth if it was at all unpleasant. We ignored massive borrowing because it meant we could go spend again. We ignored anyone who suggested conservation if it meant we had to give up absolutely anything.

    It was also done TO us. We elected the smartest man since FDR and ‘they’ made him spend much of his time turning over memos and defending his personal life. We supported the smartest woman and they rigged the primaries and stole our votes.

    This is why this must be the moment we change OUR habits and raise our standards. We must make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that certain things will no longer be tolerated: sexism, racism, homophobia,
    vote stealing, pork, sweetheart deals, reckless spending, poisoning the environment, hyper-partisanship, self-enrichment and taxpayer fraud.

    To accomplish this, we must start with our best chance at bipartisan problem-solving and the ones with, by far, the best record and best attitude for this is McCain/Palin.

  226. CountTheVotes Says:

    September 20th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    **
    i agree. Donna nut has been coming out in praise of Hill. I hate that she/he

  227. birdgal – absolutely condescending. the funny thing is we can recognize their bot speak as soon as they try.

    gonzotx – yup re: Brazillo…it’s so transparent.

  228. freckles:

    Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted.
    Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted. Obama can’t be trusted.

  229. Oy! This is such a wearing-down campaign season. The bitterness, the anger, the lies, the corruption, the trashing of women…and on…and on…

    Enough Already! Mr. Obama: tell your groupies that you will not condone their disgusting behaviour! Tell your handlers to stop browbeating women.

    In other words, for once in your life…Clean Up Your Act!!!

  230. curiosityhasme Says:

    September 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Alligators and Snakes. Jesus. I am so sorry. I live in Austin and am an RN. We have nurses from CC staying @ our hospital. Some learned this week they lost their houses. Nobody on the media seems to be talking about it. Only “tazergate”

    And I believe Soro’s was behind the shorts. They need to stop the shorts till the end of the year. I hpoe to God this comes out in time and the arrow points to the evil one.

  231. curiosityhasme Says:

    September 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    I am glad that you are doing okay, but what a horrendous situation. Alligators, sharks, and snakes. Jeez. I can’t even imagine what people are going through, but it is terrible, and sounds like the government is not being much help. It is a situation ripe for infection and disease. Glad to hear that people are receiving immunizations.

  232. want more race stuff?? oh I know.. not really… but this is interesting

    hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/yahoo_poll_race/index.html?SITE=YAHOO&SECTION=HOME

    the more they push this issue the more I want to scream

  233. Back from dinner — martinis and something small on a plate.

    Dear Dr. Lynette Long – I enjoyed your recommended apologies the Obama followers might use to win over us Hillary supporters. However eating crow would not quite do it for me. I would add one more step they might take to make amends –one of my favorite lines from Steel Magnolias: “Eat shxt and die.

  234. freckles said: Sarah also won’t have an abortion (although she says she thought about it)
    ===============

    Interesting! Where did you get that?

  235. grape,

    THANK YOU!

    h t t p : / / http://www.hillarygreenmountain.com/2008/09/roe-vs-wade-is-outdated.html

    Live blogging here as i read it….

    Through inspiration, dedication and technology, we can in 2008 ‘abort’ the need for Roe vs Wade altogether and in the process dissolve the debate entirely. ….
    Impossible? Let’s put a woman in the White House and find out

    That’s my reaction too, offhand, subject to further research and thought….

    Well, some of Christi’s ideas here are too wierd for me, but the basic idea of better contraceptives to make abortion UNNECESSARY or RARE is what I’ve been thinking a long time. If the money being spent on legal and political wrangling were going into research, we could SOLVE/PREVENT the problem.

    And Palin seems like just the President to do it!

    The feminist Apollo Program if you like….

  236. lil ole grape Says:
    turndownobama
    But what about the idea of transplanting a fetus? That’s the part I found so interesting.
    =========

    Well, it’s certainly … innovative. I see ethical problems though. What about babies that turn out defective because of this process, or the many experiments that would be needed to get it right?

    It’s the stuff of horror movies: a person born deformed who blames it on being transplanted as a fetus and seeks out the DNA mother for revenge?

    It might be a worthwhile technology to develop, for use when the DNA mother is killed or injured, or when the baby is born prematurely or in a miscarriage. But are there enough such cases to make sure the procedure is safe for a fetus that if left in it’s original womb would be healthy? First, do no harm….

  237. Sarah said that when she found out about Twig, she thought about what to do. It took several months for her to decide and she prayed that God would make her happy about the baby.

    I can only assume that she must have thought about all her options. After all, she was 44 or 46 or something. For her, what she did was the right thing to do, and she was praying for help.

  238. I just posted at
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/mccain_rebuts_o.html

    It makes sense that overall McCain’s staff might be paid more than Obama’s. However the point is the difference between men and women’s pay within each staff.

    I have yet to see detail comparing the same rankings at each staff, which is what we would need. It would be hard to get an exact comparison because of age, experience, and other variables.

    However the data we do have, shows that McCain overall treats his women better than Obama does: McCain hires more of them and gives them more authoriity. (Or gives them better pay for comparable authority.)

    I do think that a politcian’s personal choices here are a good indication of what we may expect of his official policies. Senate bills are typically complicated; what we get in a soundbyte may give a misleading impression (as here, with people talking about the Leadbetter bill ‘giving’ a right to equal pay). Also there is behind the scenes bargaining. McCain’s and Obama’s personal choices with their staff show where their hearts are, which indicates whether one or the other will do the best he can in each complicated political issue.

    What’s obvious is that Obama is not ready for prime time. He blundered twice:
    by not making sure his own staff (freshly hired) had a better gender ratio than McCain’s (bulit up over years), and
    by drawing attention to the situation by comparing McCain’s staff to an Old Boyz Club when the fact is just the opposite!

  239. freckles Says: Sarah said that when she found out about Twig, she thought about what to do. It took several months for her to decide and she prayed that God would make her happy about the baby.
    I can only assume that she must have thought about all her options. After all, she was 44 or 46 or something. For her, what she did was the right thing to do, and she was praying for help.
    ==================

    thank you, freckles! Do you remember wehre you saw this? I’d like to find as much detail as I can. Thsi sounds like she certainly wouldn’t try to force the same choie on other women!

    It’s strange to be thinking such personal questions, but I wonder why she got pregnant at her age in the first place? At her age, wouldn’t it be prudent to use contraceptives? If she approves of sex education about condoms in schools, she would hardly disapprove of contraceptives in married life, wold she??? I wish she would make her policiles clear in detail so we wouldh’t have to use her and her own familly as examples to even try to predict her policies. 🙂

  240. turndown — it was an interview. I think the one with Hannity. She spent a while describing this problem. The most revealing sentence to me was that it took her months to resolve it…and of course said that as soon as he was born, she was delighted to find that the joy she hoped for was real, and everyone loves Twig. I found it very moving.

  241. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 12:26 am
    ——————————————
    Very good posting turndown. Time and again his loft words are belied by his actions.

  242. thanks for the posts on ike. ust terrible heartbreak here in se tx. keep an eye on my mayor of houston bill white. he has handled this really well-has held fema accontable and appears to have gotten unprecented local access to fema money. he, jackson lee and a few others took ontrol of the matter asap and things going well here. still no power for many of us. i hope yall go to chron.com and khou.com for more on this storm and how widespread it has been.

    *****
    now this is beyod belief gotta call today from camp obama here urging me to join them to reg voters at fema sites. i said um why arent yall helping he millions of folks in the comunity who are suffering so? no response. but they have been out harrassing storm victims for votes. dumb asses. i have no power and other worries right now-u think im gonna run my ass round to reg more of these voters? go to mccain website the blog sect. whole thing on ike-very moving. it never ends with obama. never.

  243. turndownobama, lots of women get pregnant despite various forms of birth control. Nothing is foolproof.

    I got pregnant while on the pill with my first. I also got pregnant the second time when my first was 5 months old, while still nursing, having not started my cycle back yet, and using a diaphragm with spermicide.

    It happens. Don’t assume she was not using birth control. I saw the Hannity interview as well, and while she never actually said she considered abortion, she did say the pregnancy was difficult to….I think “get her heart around” was the phrase she used. Said it took her a couple of months, and was tough. Something like that.

  244. And I believe Soro’s was behind the shorts. They need to stop the shorts till the end of the year. I hpoe to God this comes out in time and the arrow points to the evil one.
    ———————————————-
    If that could be proven then we could put him in the boxcar he watched innocent people be put in while he looted their personal belongings for his Nazi masters in 1944–figurtively speaking. We could clean up the party as well, and get it back to traditional democratic values rather than this Felix Rohaten Middleburry college radical free trade doctrine which has created this mess.

  245. where did u read soros watched nazis load up jews on boxcars? as someone very inolved in holocaust history i dispute the notion of this claim. most jews during the holocaust witnessed great violnce and would not be surprising for jew to see other jews being rounded up. that was the norm in fact. please provide references-nth primary and secondary accounts.

  246. Soros is Jewish — the only record I can find of his activities in Hungary was to warn Jewish lawyers that they were marked for deportation. He has worked for a lot of good causes and I have no idea why he can’t see through Obama but he has said good things about Hillary, may have even supported her.

    He has given 4 Billion to charitable and political causes.

  247. freckles: I think wbboei or others have said Soros was 14, when he watched the Nazis load Jews into boxcars and he ransacked their belongings.

  248. again such acts were common. wasnt a thing soros could do. period. ot was a police state. jews had little power. were trapped by the allies and the nazis. im very uncomfortable with going after soros about his experiences during the shoah. i saw him speak about the holocuast on charlie rose. i dislike what he is doing right now. but that is about it

  249. # texan4hillary Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 1:15 am

    where did u read soros watched nazis load up jews on boxcars? as someone very inolved in holocaust history i dispute the notion of this claim. most jews during the holocaust witnessed great violnce and would not be surprising for jew to see other jews being rounded up. that was the norm in fact. please provide references-nth primary and secondary accounts.
    *************
    I agree..it was unlikely that the Soros family saw Jews loaded on box cars. The Jews living outside Budapest were sent by train to Auschwitz-Birkenau, with Eichmann coordinating the transports; the Jews of Budapest were spared until very late in the war. 70,000 were marched to Austria and to their deaths and ~70,000 were killed locally. Of the pre-war population of of more than 800,000 Jews in Hungary; 140,000 survived, mostly in Budapest, including the Soros family.

  250. true. his dad paid off a mnister to claim george as agodson. so he likely witnessed much jewish property being moved around. this type of bribe often occurred.
    ttyl

  251. The Shoah should never be forgotten because the impulses that lead to the mass killing of European Jews is in all of humanity, IMHO.

  252. Freckles: yes. Steve Kroft interviewed George Soros on Sixty Minutes on February 20 1998. Here is a portion of the transcript:

    1. Kroft: These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros’ friends and neighbors. (Vintage pictures of men and women with bags over their shoulders walking: crowd by train)

    2. Kroft: You are a Hungarian Jew. . .

    3. Soros: Mm-humm

    4. Kroft: who escaped the Holocaust (vintage footage of women walking past the train). . .

    5. Soros: Mm-hmm (vintage footage of people getting on the train)

    6. Kroft: by posing as a Christian . . .

    7. Soros: Right (vintage footage of women helping eachother get on the train; train door closing with people in boxcar.

    8. Kroft: and you watched lots of people get shipped off to death camps?

    9. Soros: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that is when my character was made.

    10. Kroft: In what way?

    11. Soros: That one should think ahead; one should think ahead and anticipate events. It was a trendendous threat of evil.

    12. Kroft: My understanding is you went out with this protector of yours who swore you were his adopted godson

    13. Soros: Yes, yes

    14. Kroft: and HELPED IN THE CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY FROM JEWS.

    15. Soros: YES, that is right, yes.

    16 Kroft: That sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

    17. Soros: No–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t see the connection. But it created no problem at all.

    18. Kroft: No feeling of guilt.

    19. Soros: No.

    20. Kroft: For example I am Jewish and here I am watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there. None of that?

    21. Soros: Well of course I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there–well acutally in a funny sense, ITS JUST LIKE IN THE MARKETS–THAT IF I WEREN’T THERE –OF COURSE I WASNT DOING IT, BUT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD, WOULD BE TAKING IT AWAY ANYHOW– WHETHER I WAS THERE OR NOT. I WAS ONLY A SPECTATOR, I HAD NO ROLE IN TAKING AWAY THAT PROPERTY. SO I HAD NO SENSE OF GUILT.
    ———————————————
    Note:

    1. see the contradiction between lines 14-15 and 21. He backs off his ealier statement. If Kroft had been on his toes he would have gone after him on that.

    2. Dean introduced Obama to Soros in 2004, Soros had several meetings with him between 2004 and 2007 during which Soros introduced him to major donors. In January 2008, Soros associate Wolfe met with Obama to help plan his campaign. (Soros is a mentor).

    3. George Soros (City of London) is infamous for wrecking markets through speculation. Currently he is actively speculating in oil, mortgage and the dollar. Finally, there are trillions of dollars waiting offshore to invest in the United States when the prices drop. Hillary wants to regulate these inflows but Obama does not. She wants to protect the American People whereas he is there to serve the big money.

    4. According to a Democratic Party insider named Iverson, George Soros is the most powerful man in the Democratic Party today by virtue of the fact that he is able to make large donations to whichever candidate or candidates support his views (infra). Indeed, the future Democratic nominee will be very beholden to him. Furthermore, the mantra of change, the contribution of vast sums of money, and attraction of new members all bear his imprimatur.

    5. Finally, Soros is a dangerous man because he is known to utilize shock doctrine methods as he did in Russia as described in a paper by Dr. Verna Butler, and alluded to in a book by that title by Naomi Klein.)

  253. Finally, there are trillions of dollars waiting offshore to invest in the United States when the prices drop. Hillary wants to regulate these inflows but Obama does not. She wants to protect the American People whereas he is there to serve the big money.
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    That is one I worry about now. The source of this is a member of the Federal Reserve, which I did not note in the paper for obvious reasons. The coversation I had with him was nine months ago and was not in response to the specific situation we face tody or the naked short selling which helped precipitate it. Given Soros backing of Obama (I do have names and dates of those meetings), and his past history as a speculator in eastern Europe and his financing of the organizations that obama used in the caucuses, it is possible that he had some involvment in this. The SEC will investigate.

    Major charitable donations which are tax deductible are a common way for the superwealth to buy good will. Standing alone I do not take them as evidence of good moral character but shrewd business practice.

  254. I went out to dinner with two of my good friends, both Hillary supporters who will now vote for Obama – not because they care for him, but because they’re Dems, and because Palin scares them…so, whatever the moveon.org lies that are circulating about Palin is helping to grab some of those on-the-fence Hillary supporters…

    But as we talked about who we were going to vote for, I went back to the basics, and whether it was Hillary vs. Obama – my thoughts about BO from the beginning were that he’s not competent to run this country and to protect this country…and that’s the bottom line for me.

  255. SHV Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 1:57 am
    The Shoah should never be forgotten because the impulses that lead to the mass killing of European Jews is in all of humanity, IMHO.
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    Yes, and that is the tragedy of history. It is why the accumulation of vast amounts of unchecked power can take us down a path from which no one ever returns.

  256. I went out to dinner with two of my good friends, both Hillary supporters who will now vote for Obama – not because they care for him, but because they’re Dems, and because Palin scares them…so, whatever the moveon.org lies that are circulating about Palin is helping to grab some of those on-the-fence Hillary supporters
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    Count: if you reminded them of what Obama did to Hillary during the campaign would that stiffen their backbone enough to just say home.

    I posted some information over at Dr. Lynette Long’s site tonight that might be of interest:

    1. No Respect For Women: it is important for women to see Obama as he really is. The telltale signs can be found in the way he treated Hillary during the course of the campaign. When he won the Iowa caucus the first thing he did was play the rapper song “99 problems but a bitch ain’t one!” He went on to make a number of public comments about Hillary which reflect a misogynistic bent. For example: “the claws come out”, “when she is not feeling well” and she is “likeable enough”. Also, there is that photograph of him gesturing to her with his middle finger. Finally, he is closely allied with the Daily Kos and MoveOn.Org group who launched brutal misogynistic attacks against Hillary, yet Obama went along with it. When the leader displays this attitude, and fails to control associates it is only a matter of time before those views permeate the organization and determine its behavior. Thus, it is hardly surprising that his foreign policy advisor called Hillary a monster, when his military advisor mocked her tears in New Hampshire, and his own hateful wife said she can’t take care of her house then how can she take care of the White House. What about you MO? Therefore, perceptive women will be reluctant to support his candidacy. When he makes promises they will be skeptical because he does not keep them.

    2. Machiavellian Character: if you examine the record of the primary you find a major discrepancy between the positive image Obama projects in the media and the Machiavellian way he operates on the ground. I can think of no better example than the time appeared on CNN and told the following lie: “Well Wolf, I think if you watch how we have conducted our campaign, we’ve been very measured in terms of how we talk about Senator Clinton. I have been careful to say, that I think that Senator Clinton is a capable person and that should she win the nomination, I would support her”. In fact, at the very time he was making that false statement he was actively engaged in the politics of personal destruction against Senator Clinton. He and his senior campaign officials questioned Hillary’s integrity, credibility and character. They portrayed her as someone who is dishonest, divisive and disingenuous. They blanketed big states with false radio ads and negative mailers. They fed false stories to the compliant press on a routine basis. They played the race card from the bottom of the deck. And they engaged in a pattern and practice of voter suppression in the caucuses, Michigan and Florida

  257. count,

    Here is a WONDERFUL source debunking Palin rumours: http://www.palinrumors.com/

    This leads to Charles Martin’s blog with an enormous number of rumours all in one entry and its comments (and one auxiliary entry iirc). All very well sourced, though those links won’t come through here.

    Samples:

    #10 No, Willow and Piper aren’t named for witches on TV. Among other things, Willow was born before Buffy came on TV, and Piper was born before Charmed was a popular girls name in 1994. In any case, try to settle on one theory, okay: she can’t both be a witch and be a crazy AoG fundamentalist, can she?
    —–
    #30 yes, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant; no, the baby’s father is not an eighth grader; no, having sex at 16 is not statutory rape in Alaska. And no, there’s no way that a 17 year old can be 5 months pregnant as a result of having sex before she was 16. Learn to count for God’s sakes.
    —–
    #64 Yes, she did put the Governors plane on eBay. No, that’s not how it was finally sold. Yes, McCain did say it wrong. Bad McCain.

    At the moment it has 84 numbered rumours plus 456 comments, most of which supply more or more debunking evidence.

  258. where did u read soros watched nazis load up jews on boxcars? as someone very inolved in holocaust history i dispute the notion of this claim. most jews during the holocaust witnessed great violnce and would not be surprising for jew to see other jews being rounded up. that was the norm in fact. please provide references-nth primary and secondary accounts
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    Just noticed your post. I trust the interview cite and lines 8 and 9 are responsive to your inquiry.

  259. thanks for the resources everyone. I’m not sure what I can do to change my friends’ minds who were Hillary supporters now voting for The Fraud. I will try – but the issue should not be about Palin, it should be about whether Obama is incompetent and whether McCain is more competent to lead us on issues of national and financial security.

    I think McCain’s campaign needs to refocus back on him because Palin has become a lightening rod for people’s decisions – as much as the Palin bashing is energizing evangelicals, it’s energizing the Democratic base. Backlash has been great for the Republican base – but everything in moderation.

  260. Well, first good things came out about Palin, now bad rumours are going around, so the spotlight needs to stay on her long enough to get the bad ones debunked and that sort of thing discredited.

  261. turndownobama-com

    I respectfully disagree. I don’t think doing a back and forth about what are truths and what are lies about Palin will work. The left will always spin their lies at warp speed on the internet, and the media will gobble it up and regurgitate it. I think if the election becomes a referendum on Palin, then, the Republicans could lose…at the very least, they could lose more Clinton Democrats who’ve taken their eye off the prize and are concerned about the #2 person.

    This isn’t about Palin. Truthfully, I wouldn’t vote for her if she were the Presidential candidate…but McCain, yes. The debate needs to spotlight McCain vs. Obama again, and the basic premise: who do you trust to run this country?

  262. This isn’t about Palin. Truthfully, I wouldn’t vote for her if she were the Presidential candidate…but McCain, yes. The debate needs to spotlight McCain vs. Obama again, and the basic premise: who do you trust to run this country?
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    If the audience is Clinton Dems, the argument is not that John McCain is a great candidate, but that Obama is a fatally flawed one who lacks experience, values and moral courage. McCain wins on those arguments. The secondary argument is what Obama did to destroy Hillary (see above), rather than what is right or wrong about Palin. I tell them anti Palin arguments are polically inspired and are part of the Stalin (Steinham) mantra. When they press on Plalin tell them I say this is fundamentally a contest between McCain and Bambi so lets talk about that.

  263. If they are Clinton voters, you could try asking them if Dems take their votes or deny them their votes AGAIN, will they allow that too?

    Explain that if this stands, one man-one vote will be obsolete. If you can award a man delegates in a state he didn’t even run in, we are worse off than the smoke-filled room we used to have to select candidates. From now on, it’s the best bribes win!

  264. Seems like Foreign policy is going to come to the front again.

    The situation in Pakistan is descending into chaos as we speak, the new Govt i dont think knows how to handle the new wave of fundamentalist violence and I am sure Pakistan is going to collapse soon into chaos. Another huge bombe last night blew the Islamabad Marriot up and killed 53 people including many foreigners among the dead is the Czech ambassador and many americans.

    Quite how we deal with a Nuclear state descending into complete utter chaos is going to be hard and with it on India’s doorstep, if it does collapse, either the indians will have to enter or the UN and US will or strategic bombing of nuclear stations from Afghanistan.

    It is thought there is some Taliban influence and we may have no option.

  265. Gee, moon. Good morning!

    Are we going to wake up every morning with worse news than we had the day before?

    Why am I asking you? You’re just reporting. But it is very serious. Time to abandon changy, hopey dopey, and go with a grown-up.

  266. Freckles, this one is very serious and has potential to seriously destabilize the whole area from India to Iraq and further.

    Pakistan at least was contained under Musharraf now, we seriously need to see how to deal with this mess now that Pakistan is on the endangered species list. My partner is indian and is already hearing from India that more troops are quietly being moved up to the pakistan border.

  267. Obama is just about everything that is said about himebut to keep it brief and clear lets just call him what he really is in name and in deeds.Yes Obama was and still is a “Community Organizer”.Now in my many years of observing things that people do and say,I would keep things simple and in words that are so meaningful. Barack Hussein Obama is a HUSTLER.A n educated product of the East Chicago pool rooms and an expert at hustling both black and white worshippers and dreamers that are so shamefully following this Hustler and his promises for the restitution and retributions that he says are on their way when he becomes the CIC.He has hustled all people he addresses,All the countries of europe that are friendly and hopes to Hustle the likes of Iran Iraq and China.THat is what HUSTLERS do best.Nothing they say is original and they depend on poor uninformed voters as well as rich and greedy money suckers for their support.Add all of these duties of the “Community Organizer together and you still have a “HUSTLER”.You can put Perfume on a Communite Organizer and he is still a “HUSTLER”
    May I never mention BHO again as anything but “THE HUSTLER”

    BY ABM90 Patience everyone Hillary will be back sooner than we might expect.

  268. good morning moonpluto.

    Could you do me a favor and drop in at hawketales.wordpress.com.
    Top thread is ok.
    Please?

    I’d like to contact you about something.

  269. Anyone got a theory about why BO is up in the polls today?

    Gallup has him ahead by 6 and RCP by 2.

    The closer we get to the GE the more worried i get that he’ll win.
    😯

  270. thanks moon.

    i will get over there later this morning.

    What’s your take on why BO is ahead?

    And, tell me the truth, do you really think he might win?

  271. basil, its called poll bias and oversampling. They did this with Kerry and Gore, it happens all the time, we knew it would.

    Poll targets are just that, targets, Gallup and Rassmussen never release the sample breakdwon of their polls only targets, they may say they want 39% dem and 31% Rep sample, but in reality, when the caller is randomly called, they could get a 45% dem sample and a 25% rep sample, and they use those figures. Polls are not reliable in reality, hence the marging of error.

  272. The other thing is where they are calling them on a national poll.

    If they are calling more east coasters than southerners then you are going to get a bias.

  273. moon….I know it’s serious. This one could get out of control very very fast.

    It’s exactly the disastrous nature of your post that made me say…this is not easy to take before my coffee.

    As my sister said yesterday, “The election is lousy, the economy is lousy, my business is lousy…” Now she can add Pakistan.

    And Obama ends his ads with “I will bring us all together”! Really? We’ll all mingle in debtors’ prison? Or we’ll line up in Army recruiting offices?

  274. I honestly think when it comes down to it, people in that polling booth are going to think, McCain, solid dependable, strong, or Obama, er not sure i know enough, who is he?

    Thats what i think.

  275. The question isDo you think most people will go with the unknown in the middle of an economic crisis, someone who has not yet proved anything about handling tough situations. I say No, unknown commodities are usually frowned on.

  276. I have been on vacation in the Louisville, KY, Ohio and Indiana areas. I found it very interesting. The number of Obama signs and sickers were just not that prevalent in Louisville, which I would think was a strong hold. My home town one O and one McCain lawn sign each (usually the main street has huge signs), Indianapolis same as Louisville, small town Indiana same as my home town in Ohio.

    Visited with relatives and friends. I let them bring up the subject. I had only one say they were going to definitely vote O.

    Even in one small town the Democratic HQ did not have an O sign up on the front any where.

    They are saying that for the first time they are voting R. They are upset and mad.

    Something is going on here that the polls are not reflecting.

    Just my opinion. I missed the blog.

  277. many people, believe it or not, make up their minds election day. it’s a “gut” feel. who are you comfortable with? who do you trust? who will provide leadership and protect my family?

    i think the answer is obvious. McCain-Palin.

  278. I think the debates could be crucial…..and other world events.

    I agree that the worse things get, the less likely that the undecideds will go for Obama. But if the media portray McCain the way they portrayed Gore in the debates, who knows?

    We will be couting on middle America to use their good sense and Colorado to get over their Obama nonsense.

  279. Oh no!!!!!!

    Godzilla coming up on GS. I’m gonna suck it up and peak in. Glad i didn’t eat breakfast yet.

    The banking meltdown is the talk of the Sunday line-up. I read an article that siad if thBush hadn’t spoken about the crisi on Friday the DOW wuld have dropped below 8300 and lost 22% of it’s worth.

    Who do you think this crisis helps? BO or JM? (I hate to put it that way – just curious abut others POV’s)

  280. Can you believe how BM sweeps under the rug all insults toward Palin, from MO “she’s cute” to Rengel’s “she’s disabled” to BO’s “lipstick on a pig” and yet when HRC spoke about RFK the outcry was she wanted BO assassinated.

    I read on another blog that HRC is starting a grassroots org to help BO. Anyone else hear this?

  281. Godzilla, cokie, george will and sam donaldson all agreed BO won the week and looked more presidential on the financial meltdown.
    They said JM seemed confused and angry – Godzilla said there should be no bail-out of the banking industry until after the GE.

    i am confused about how to view the race. Like i said, I’m getting more worried Bo could pull this off.
    😥

  282. The crisis is helping BO right now but if McC keeps pummeling BO about raising taxes, esp on capital which is in very short supply, he can force Obama to rethink — again — his economic plans.

    Then he should be asked why he thought that raising capital gains taxes was a good idea. He shouldn’t be able to get away with “tax cuts for everyone but the very rich.”

    Seniors who have put all their savings in their house will pay more if they sell. Small businesses will fire one or more employees.

    I’m hoping this will dawn on the public and they will reject the pander bear

    The foreign crises will help McCain.

  283. Godzilla, cokie, george will and sam donaldson all agreed BO won the week
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    sunday morning BHO cheering section. what did you expect? MSM pukes, every one. don’t worry, b9, McCain will smoke BHO in the upcoming debates.

  284. neetabug, freckles,
    thanks. i dunno why I’m so worried today. Maybe coz it’s the Autumn Equinox.

    Freckles,
    You’re so right about BO’s plan to tax profit on home sales.
    I sold my home just as the subprime meltdown was hitting big-time and if i had waited another month to put the house up for sale i wouldn’t have found a buyer adn if i had, I would have gotten almost 40% less.

    That money (I lived there for 14 years) financed my 2 year health crisis. If the profit on a sale 40% less than market value were factored in I would be living under a Bridge right now.

  285. sorry b-9

    think of it this way..6 more weeks of hillary doing what she promised. after BHO’s defeat in november, all bets are off! hillary will come out of this the champion that she is. promise. 🙂

  286. basil9 Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am
    Godzilla, cokie, george will and sam donaldson all agreed BO won the week and looked more presidential on the financial meltdown.
    They said JM seemed confused and angry – Godzilla said there should be no bail-out of the banking industry until after the GE.

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    Anyone who is saying to wait until after the GE, before doing any bail-out of the banking industry is a traitor the people of the U.S. That is not acceptable. Godzilla, Reid, and the rest of them need to be fired. Waiting is not going to help anything or anyone. It would create more panic. I am so through with the dimocratic party. BO presidential? Right. He said, wait till after the government releases their plan, before commenting. No pro-active behavior there. NOT presidential. Hillary was the presidential one.

  287. He looked presidential??? Have the standards slipped so much as for what qualifies as presidential? Now even the conservative columnist are deserting McCain? That’s trouble.

  288. mj
    ‘Now even the conservative columnist are deserting McCain? That’s trouble.’

    That’s what i thought.

    birdgal,
    ‘Anyone who is saying to wait until after the GE, before doing any bail-out of the banking industry is a traitor’
    Agreed. Same thing he’s trying to do with iraq. 😡

  289. I don’t even watch the news shows, because the extreme bias and favoritism. It is revolting. I hope the Bush administration pushes for Congress to pass legislation. Last night I read (somewhere) that Pelosi and Co. were adding some social program benefits ie. extending unemployment benefits, and some other things. If this bail out gets blocked, the entire congress needs to be recalled. They are ruining everyone’s financial lives and futures. My 401K, like everyone else’s, has gone down the tubes, because of their greed and mismanagement.

  290. I think there are going to be ups and downs in this campaign which is natural. A slight uptick in the polls for Obama isn’t anything out of the ordinary. A focus on the economy like we had this week usually favors Democrats but it doesn’t appear that any underlying change in who people are supporting has occurred.

    If things heat up more overseas we will probably see a national poll uptick for McCain.

    There is still a long way to go until November 4. Many, many things can impact the race. We have the debates starting Friday and from what we have heard the Republicans are taking off the gloves now.

    I think we need to hang tough, not worry about every little poll change, and keep our focus on defeating Obama. Don’t listen to tv pundits. How often have they been correct during this campaign?? Not often…

  291. Country Song for Palin!

    McCain Campaign to use Garrett Song

    We told you a day or so ago that Strausstown country singer-songwriter Pat Garrett’s latest song “Moose-Shootin’ Mama,” about vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, was signed to a record label.

    Now the McCain/Palin campaign has asked the label, Lofton Creek Records, for permission to use the song “in various ways in connection with campaign activities including websites, streaming, audio-visual works, and live performance,” according to a press release sent by Garrett’s wife, Suzy Dalton.

    The song is available for download or for purchase as a CD single at Garrett’s web site.

    blog.pennlive.com/go/2008/09/mccain_campaign_to_use_garrett.html

    Get the song here: http://www.loftoncreekrecords.com/store/detail/10049/

    Garretts website: http://www.patgarrett.com/ There is a video with the entire song here

  292. The news aint pretty. We are being hit from all sides it seems.
    Financial terrorism is an apt term.
    Soros is an amoral godless man without conscience, whose only pleasure, it would seem, is to destroy whole economies just to buy up its assets for pennies on the dollar.
    Bambi is a hustler, whose hubris is his weakness. HE CAN AND IS BEING PLAYED by the big world power brokers. He is a dangerous man without moral foundation. He has no plan, only blind ambition.
    An unholy alliance, a deal with the devil.

    I hope McCain recognizes the terrorist threat that our dear country faces from within, and acts forcefully against it. He must win.

  293. Godzilla, cokie, george will and sam donaldson all agreed BO won the week
    **************************************************

    Bo did not win this week because the Washington elite said so. He did not win at all…what these people are saying is that because Wall Street went on a panic and the “American People once again is bailing them out.

    So, a Republican administration and the Feds worked out a deal after the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY and the MSM caused a global panic induced by short selling and targeted rumors.

    The WEAK “DO NOTHING” DEMS LEADERS first response from Harry Reid was to say ” No one knows what to do to solve crisis” and Nancy Pelosi blaming Bush Policies while having amnesia on the DEMS refusal to clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac institutional fraud that was the foundation of the meltdown.

  294. Hillary’s Statement on the Proposed Bailout; short, to the point and no uhh..ummm..uhhhh

    http: / / clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303310&&

  295. Pelosi: Bailout should help American taxpayers
    The Associated Press
    Article Launched: 09/20/2008 02:00:58 PM PDT

    SAN FRANCISCO—House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the government’s massive bailout of the financial system must “insulate Main Street and American taxpayers from the crisis on Wall Street.”
    Pelosi spoke about the Bush administration’s plan to buy up to $700 billion in bad mortgage-related debt at an immigration event in San Francisco on Saturday.

    She says the bailout should include provisions to help families facing foreclosure to stay in their homes, as well as create jobs, extend unemployment benefits and prevent CEOs of failed companies to leave with multimillion-dollar “golden parachutes.”

    Pelosi blamed the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression on an “anything goes” economic policy promoted by President Bush.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10518029
    *****************************************************
    In other words Bailout should help members in Congress like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry.

    How his this bailout a job bill?

    The only thing she said that pertained to this issue was the CEO “golden parachutes.”

  296. To all that are affected by the hurricane, my prayers for your safety
    and strength.

    Moon (and all hit by the storms),
    Facing darkness and angry seas is a frightful thing. Sometime all we have is each other and a bit of libation to ease the tension.
    Moon, glad your storm passed. Hopefully the rain did some good
    and you were greeted with blue skies in the morning.

    May we all make it through these stormy seas, to be greeted by
    blue skies in the morning.

  297. wbb…don’t forget the “PERIODICALLY, Hillary gets upset…………” That word wasn’t accidental.
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    thank you. I will add that to my list.

  298. But Paulson, also appearing on ABC, said, “We need this to be clean and to be quick.”

    Paulson resisted suggestions being made by Democrats that the program be changed to include further relief for homeowners facing mortgage foreclosures and to include an additional $50 billion stimulus effort. Some Democrats have also suggested capping compensation of executives at firms who get the bailout help.

    Paulson said he was concerned that debate over adding all of those proposals would slow passage of the bill, delaying the rescue effort that is so urgently needed to get financial markets moving again.

    “The biggest help we can give the American people right now is to stabilize the financial system,” Paulson said.

    But Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said that he believed there would be changes to Paulson’s plan and that agreement could still be reached quickly.

    Schumer said that he was pushing to get a provision where the government would receive stock warrants in return for the bailout relief and for creation of a government oversight board to supervise the huge operation, which under Paulson’s plan would be run out of the Treasury Department. He said Paulson seemed receptive to changes when he had discussed his ideas with him.

    “I have told him … we need changes related to housing, we need to put the taxpayer first ahead of bondholders, shareholders,” Schumer said on “Fox News Sunday.”

    However, Republican lawmakers said that the Democratic efforts risks slowing down a measure that was urgently needed.

    “This would be the most serious financial crisis that the world has ever dealt with. It is not a time to be playing games,” said House Republican Leader John Boehner.

    Paulson said in the interviews that he had been talking to other governments about the need for them to offer similar relief because the current financial crisis is global.

    He said that the nation’s outdated regulatory system for financial markets must be overhauled but the first job is to get the most sweeping rescue package since the Great Depression passed by Congress in coming days.

    The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue.

    http://www.bakersfield.com/894/story/558256.html

  299. Freckles, this one is very serious and has potential to seriously destabilize the whole area from India to Iraq and further.
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    these issues play to mccains strong suit. The question is what issues will predominate on voters mind in late October: national security or the economy. In fact, McCain has the advantage on both issues because he has an actual record of reform, but Obama will wrap himself in the party label which he does not deserve and blast bush. The truth is McCain is not Bush–Bambi is, but to reach that conclusion you have to analyze the facts and turn a deaf ear to big media. Not everyone cand do that. The other imponderable is how many undecided voters there will be by then. Let me put it to you this way and it is a print: McCain is Mr. Mainstreet and Bambi is Mr. Wall Street in terms of what he will do or not do for the American People. The metaphor is not perfect but it is easy to grasp and defensible.

  300. Pelosi: Bailout should help American taxpayers
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    Boom sis Boom sis Boom sis. Bring me my pompoms and my plastic surgeon NOW!

    Yes, Poopsie it will help taxpayer alright–in three (3) and by the way thank you for evething:

    The American people will pay in several ways:

    1. Decline of the value of the dollar, as the bailout swindle is inflationary, meaning we will have to pay more for everything;

    2. Increased debt (the enabling bill proposed by Bush and Paulson this morning includes raising the debt ceiling by $200 billion) means more money out of next year’s budget in principle and interest payments, i.e., less for social programs, infrastructure, etc.

    3. The increased cost of servicing government debt means the interest rates charged will go up, as there will be a real question of whether or not the U.S. can afford to make debt payments

  301. Paulson is right, its his business to stabilize the banking system only, what the Fed should not do is bail out peoples bad mortgages who have overextend themselves purposely on credit nor mortgage institutions that are bad, it sets a bad precendent.

  302. John McCain tops Barack Obama in Texas fundraising

    12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, September 21, 2008
    By CHRISTY HOPPE / The Dallas Morning News
    choppe@dallasnews.com

    AUSTIN – Texas donors finally jumped aboard John McCain’s train in a big way this summer, doubling all previous giving and pushing him well beyond what Barack Obama has managed to raise in Lone Star cash.

    The spike reversed an unusual trend earlier in the campaign, in which two of Mr. McCain’s Democratic rivals had outraised the Republican in Texas. And it doesn’t yet reflect the Sarah Palin effect, which brought the McCain campaign $7 million nationwide the day after she was named Mr. McCain’s running mate. Most of those donations will not have to be reported until Oct. 20.

    From October 2007 through April, Mr. McCain barely kept even with Mr. Obama in fundraising from substantial Texas givers – those donating $200 or more. But the latest reports, which include giving from May through July, show the GOP nominee has boosted his Texas total to $12.2 million, compared with Mr. Obama’s $9.2 million, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

    “There is just an incredible outpouring of support for the McCain-Palin ticket,” said James Huffines, who’s leading Mr. McCain’s fundraising in the state. “People in Texas really connect with John McCain to Sarah Palin.”

    In addition, because Mr. McCain opted to accept public financing for his general election campaign, he has been winding down donations to his campaign. Fundraising instead has being directed to the McCain Victory 2008 Committee, which is being overseen by the Republican National Committee.

    In that department, giving to the major political parties, Republicans also are eclipsing the Democrats – $219 million to $110 million – nationwide.

    But in the states, Texas is second behind California for contributions to the McCain campaign. For Mr. Obama, Texas isn’t among the top four states, the Center for Responsive Politics found.

    Considering that Texas has voted overwhelmingly Republican for the past decade, “Obama’s done very well here,” said key fundraiser Ron Kirk, the former Dallas mayor.

    “Whether we like it or not, this is a red state. It should be a great fundraising base for McCain,” Mr. Kirk said.

    As of Aug. 1, Mr. McCain was leading in donations over $200 from 16 of the 26 metropolitan areas in Texas – including Dallas, Fort Worth and Houston.

    Mr. Obama was leading in Austin, Corpus Christi and Galveston, while Hillary Rodham Clinton still was the top fundraiser in South Texas. Even though the area is largely Democratic and Hispanic, Mr. McCain was second behind Mrs. Clinton in fundraising in Laredo, Brownsville and McAllen, the Center for Responsive Politics figures show.

    The McCain-Obama gap will probably grow, as the enthusiasm spawned by Ms. Palin among Texas Republicans extends to their checkbooks.

    “We’ve seen an increased, enhanced enthusiasm since Governor Palin was put on the ticket. The response has been overwhelming, quite frankly,” Mr. Huffines said.

    Two fundraisers – in Dallas and San Antonio – that Ms. Palin is headlining in two weeks have sparked a new wave of contributors, Mr. Huffines said.

    “The phone has been ringing off the wall,” he said. “People that I never thought would get involved, or who have not been involved in politics, suddenly want their daughters to meet her and come to the event.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-txmoney_21pol.ART.State.Edition1.2764b67.html

  303. P.S. And by the way Poopsi, I want to thank you and Harry Reid for acting so deliberately here and being honest enough to tell us that you did not know how to handle this matter. The deliberation cost the taxpayers an additional 65 million dollars on the AIG bailout–the cost of acting on Tuesday vs preceding Friday. Your candor was refreshing, compared to your candidate who frightened little children with gothic tales of where this may lead. Thank you Poopsie for everything.

  304. # moononpluto Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Paulson is right, its his business to stabilize the banking system only, what the Fed should not do is bail out peoples bad mortgages who have overextend themselves purposely on credit nor mortgage institutions that are bad, it sets a bad precendent.

    That is insane. Stabilizing?…they are socializing the financial sector. You think the titans of Wall Street should get bailed out but not the home owners they sold junk mortgages to? What on earth? If they had bailed out the home owners long ago it would have been far less expensive and we wouldn’t be in the position of socializing the financial markets today.

  305. Poll: McCain has slight lead in Ohio over Obama
    By The Associated Press – 1 hour ago

    THE POLL: The Ohio Newspaper Poll, presidential race, likely Ohio voters (20 electoral votes).

    THE NUMBERS: John McCain 48 percent, Barack Obama 42 percent.

    OF INTEREST: Almost half of Ohio voters, or 47 percent, say they are worse off than four years ago. About one-third, 34 percent, said they were the same, while 19 percent said they were better off. The candidates have lined up support within their own party, with 85 percent of Republicans saying they would vote for McCain and 81 percent of Democrats in favor of Obama. Obama has the edge among independent voters, 38 percent to 33 percent for McCain, with 19 percent still undecided.

    DETAILS: Conducted from Sept. 12-16 by landline telephones among 869 likely Ohio voters. Sampling error plus or minus 3.3 percent.

    MORE: blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/09/ONOpoll.pdf

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQ6hbgaL2XlahATWlfowQVOZzJHQD93B5V100
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    Compare the Headline with the facts of the poll. MSM is trying to swing the election over to Obama by overstating Obama strengths in polls and understating McCain/Palin.

    No way would the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY focus so much time and misinformation on Palin if they didn’t preceive her as a threat to wining.

  306. Franken helps craft McCain ‘SNL’ skit Jonathan Martin, Josh Kraushaar

    news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13684;_ylt=AuALLzwrNaPg.ILKsWBPh.SyFz4D
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    Isn’t Franken running for Senator?

    Won’t this hurt his chances in MN?

  307. wbboei,
    Pooplosi with pom-poms! LOL

    everyone,
    This is an excellent article by Mark Ruben of the Denver Group that really helped me put the DNC and the
    convention into perspective and also offers great suggestions about what to do moving forward.

    The addy is long – sorry about that.
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/21/holding-the-dnc%e2%80%99s-feet-to-the-fire-an-interview-with-marc-rubin-of-the-denver-group/#comments

  308. I wonder if the new ‘racist’ charges are deliberate to give BO an excuse when he loses?

    What I mean is that oftentimes the more someone is accused of something they’re not guilty of
    the more likely they may be to commit the crime. In other words, people are so tired of the race-baiting that perhaps some will vote against BO for thaTt reason.

    what do you think?

  309. Pelosi could care less about the people most affected by this market crisis. She keeps adding things in order to postpone anything positive happening/a reversal of fortunes before November. Her whole intent is to sabotage anything that might help the Republicans move forward.

    She is an enemy of state.

  310. The Sarah Palin effect
    Rocky Barker
    Writers on the Range
    Article Last Updated: 09/20/2008 12:25:40 PM MDT

    In one decision, John McCain has reshuffled the election deck – especially in the West. His pick of Idaho native Sarah Palin for vice president means McCain has a good chance to win Montana, Nevada, New Mexico and maybe even Colorado, which were all leaning toward Barack Obama. If she doesn’t screw up, builds on her great personal story, continues to highlight her maverick style and finds a way to energize social conservatives without making the election about abortion or intelligent design, she can also help him hold the South and challenge in Wisconsin and Michigan.

    I know that’s a tall order. Clearly, her selection carries a lot of risks. The biggest risk is that voters will find the two-year governor of Alaska and former mayor of a small town unqualified to succeed the 72-year-old McCain. But the gun-toting University of Idaho graduate will appeal to many Westerners, especially young Westerners, in a way no other pick could have done.

    She doesn’t like people in Washington, D.C., to tell people in her state what to do. Palin wants to develop her state’s natural resources, but she also is worried about climate change – though she denies that people are the primary agents of it – and has been taking action to do something about it.

    “Sarah Barracuda,” as she was nicknamed in high school for her aggressiveness on the basketball court, loves to hunt and fish and even shoots an M16 rifle. Her parents learned that McCain had picked her while they were heading into remote Alaska to hunt caribou. She used to lead the prayers before high school football games, served on the PTA and enjoys watching “first dude” and part-Eskimo husband Todd win snowmobile races. No wonder she and Idaho Republican Gov. Butch Otter hit it off right away.

    When it comes to packaging, she’s a mix of Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Idaho Congresswoman Helen Chenoweth. Chenoweth battled environmentalists and the federal government and famously questioned how salmon could be endangered since you could buy it in a can.

    Democrats have regained power in the West for the past eight years in part due to the changing demographics and the Bush administration’s top-down decision-making on full-speed-ahead oil and gas development. Republicans haven’t really had a new, young Western face to counter rising Democratic stars like Mont. Gov. Brian Schweitzer.

    Palin may be able to step into that role whether McCain wins or not. Chenoweth was never able to shake off her image as a radical, but Palin already has proven her ability to govern toward the middle. She opposes same-sex marriage, yet among her first acts in office was to veto a bill blocking health benefits for gay partners of public employees.

    She’s got to explain her involvement in the resignation of Alaska’s state patrol chief and her flip-flop on the famous “bridge to nowhere” project. Eventually, she’s got to show she understands the complexities of a diverse nation.

    She isn’t going to attract many Clinton supporters because of her pro-life views. But she gives conservatives who weren’t too interested in McCain a reason to get out and vote. And if she doesn’t implode, Palin could hurt moderate Democrats in Idaho, such as 1st District House candidate Walt Minnick and Senate hopeful Larry LaRocco.

    Still, she’s got to demonstrate that, as the Republicans keep telling us, she’s up to the task of leading the world in a very dangerous time. But she already has developed a huge fan base – the “Palinistas.” They identify with a woman who first got interested in the Iraq war when she learned her 19-year-old son, Track, was going to be deployed in the U.S. Army there. The news that her 17-year-old daughter is having a baby out of wedlock seems to add to the feeling that she faces the same struggles most families face.

    Not everyone is a Palinista, of course: Palin’s mother-in-law, for example, is said to be an Obama fan, though maybe not as much as Gov. Schwarzenegger’s wife, Maria.

    For many voters, the huge issues of our time probably don’t mean that much until they affect them personally. Now, these voters have a candidate who shares their perspective.

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10517628

  311. Palin’s stardom gives Stevens boost
    Despite facing an upcoming criminal trial, 84-year-old Sen. Ted Stevens is gaining ground in his effort to win re-election to a sixth term in the U.S. Senate.

    By Hal Bernton

    seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008193194_tedstevens21m0.html

  312. The question isDo you think most people will go with the unknown in the middle of an economic crisis, someone who has not yet proved anything about handling tough situations. I say No, unknown commodities are usually frowned on.
    ———————————————————–
    That is certainly conventional wisdom. But these are unconventional times, and the propaganda mill is against John–even fox oreilly is tepid. At this point the outcome of this election is an imponderable. As I have been saying now for a couple weeks John needs to go after Obama with the toxic stuff. This takes the focus off Palin. There is one factual argument he can make that is devastating to Bambi on the very issue we are talking about. In negotitations you can hold on to your concessions too long, and the same is true in a campaign. How long have we waited for things that did not happen?

  313. Here’s some good news: lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/UPDATE/80921001

    (excerpt)

    NY’s Independence Party endorses McCain

    NEW YORK (AP) — The state Independence Party endorsed Republican John McCain on Saturday, the first time New York’s third-largest party has backed a major-party presidential candidate.

    The group, organized around the principle that the major parties have a stranglehold on American politics, sees McCain as an independent thinker, Chairman Frank MacKay said.

    “I believe he will not take the traditional input from the party bosses and the special interests that other presidents have. I believe he’s going to be his own man,” MacKay said, citing McCain’s work as co-author of a landmark 2002 law that restricted “soft money,” or indirect campaign donations.

    McCain’s campaign and that of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama did not immediately respond to telephone and e-mail messages Saturday night.

    Supporters of independent presidential candidate Ross Perot founded New York’s Independence Party in 1996. It now counts about 355,000 registered voters statewide, compared to more than 5.4 million Democrats and nearly 3 million Republicans. The state also has more than 2.3 million unaffiliated voters.

    The Independence Party has endorsed some of the state’s prominent Democrats, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former Gov. Eliot Spitzer. But it also has displayed the autonomous streak its name suggests, support

  314. New York Independence Party Set to Nominate McCain
    September 21st, 2008
    On Saturday, September 20, Frank MacKay said that the New York Independence Party will nominate John McCain for president and Sarah Palin for vice-president. This will be the first time the Independence Party has ever cross-endorsed a major party ticket for president and vice-president. In 1996 it chose Ross Perot; in 2000 it chose John Hagelin; in 2004 it chose Ralph Nader.

    The state convention is in Albany on September 21.

    http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/21/new-york-independence-party-set-to-nominate-mccain/

  315. I’m sure many people with the title ‘community organizer’ are doing good work by good means for good ends. But the point is what did OBAMA do under that title — and what he is still doing, on the national scale, as he said he intended to use political campaign or political office FOR the same sort of thing he did as a ‘community organizer’.

    I’ve put a diary at clntondems.com with cites and quotes from several reputable sources (inc Llizza at TNR) as to just what OBAMA’s style consisted of, and his teaching of Alinsky’s method.

    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/

  316. wbboei Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    Pelosi: Bailout should help American taxpayers
    —————————————————————–
    The American people will pay in several ways:
    1. Decline of the value of the dollar, as the bailout swindle is inflationary, meaning we will have to pay more for everything;
    ***************
    These huge “bail outs” will be the last straw that will unleash the the building pressures of inflation. Combined with rising unemployment, an economy in recession, double digit inflation will bite hard. It’s 1980 all over again, but worse.

  317. UPDATE: FBI serves search warrant against UT student in Palin case
    Becky Simmons
    9/18/2008 4:53:06 PM

    The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the hacking of personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin by a University of Tennessee student.

    A person who identified himself as a witness tells 10 News that agents with the FBI served a federal search warrant at the Fort Sanders residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning.

    David Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.

    A Department of Justice spokesperson confirmed there has been “investigatory activity” in Knoxville regarding the Palin case, but she said there are no publicly available search warrants, and no charges have been filed.

    A separate law enforcement source confirmed to 10 News that a search warrant was served on Kernell’s apartment.

    According to the witness, several agents arrived at The Commons of Knoxville around midnight.

    They presented their badges upon entering Kernell’s apartment, where several students were having a party, and took down their names.

    The witness tells us they asked him and those who did not live in the unit to go outside. He believes the investigators took about 1.5 to 2 hours taking pictures of everything inside the apartment.

    He says Kernell’s three roommates were also subpoenaed, and must testify this week in Chattanooga.

    Previous StoryThe son of state Rep. Mike Kernell has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.

    Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin’s personal email account.

    The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.

    David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.

    Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son’s whereabouts and whether he was in custody.

    Reports that Palin’s e-mail had been hacked bounced across blogs and into the news on Thursday.

    http://www.wbir.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=64033&catid=29
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    Idiots, having a party, they must have thought they got away with hacking a Gov. who is the vp candidate for the Republican party.

  318. I have long had some real problems with the polling results that we seem to accept as valid figures.They are as flawed as their pollsters. I refer to them as mind control tools for the agenda crazed MSM and the desparate DNC and RNC leaders. The HUSTLER is their route to complete control of our election process.These are dangerous people doing dangerous things and they must be exposed and denounced in the voting booths by honest but alarmed loyal citizens of this country that are caught in the tangle of webs spun by the HUSTLER and his loyal and very stupid supporters.Dream on all of you fools that are being subjected to the most overwhelming onslaught of lies,and false hopes that have ever been imposed on our citizens.The HUSTLER is doing the bidding of foreign interest and they are pumping millions of dollars into his quest for power and all the while he remains an unknown product of the Chicago gang headed by Tony Rezko and the powerful Trinity Rev.J.Wright.America look at what has happend to our democracy in just a few short months and our future as a strong nation will be destroyed.The HUSTLER must be rendered speechless and his chief adviser Mo must not get her claws into our constitution and make it fodder for the community organizerto demean and destroy in his pursuit for counterfeit lust for power.Hustler your future has now become a dim light bulb ready to burn out.

    By ABM90. Patience hillary.Some of us older and perhaps wiser than others appreciate your personal sacrifice for your party and we will wait this out with you.God Bless you Madam President.

  319. Home News News Republican running mate to meet Uribe
    Republican running mate to meet Uribe
    Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:48

    Sarah Palin, running mate for U.S. presidential candidate for the Republican Party John McCain will meet Colombian president Álvaro Uribe Tuesday in New York City, a campaign aide said on Saturday.

    Aside Uribe, the Repulcan running mate will meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

    Palin, who has been governor of Alaska for two years, has little foreign policy experience. She is facing a debate on October 2 in St. Louis with the Democratic vice presidential nominee, Joe Biden, a veteran senator from Delaware who is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    The Republican Party’s hopeful John McCain visited Colombia in May.

    colombiareports.com/colombian-news/news/1320-republican-running-mate-to-meet-uribe.html

  320. I get so frustrated that the media refuses to vet BO – the content of the article in the WSJ about all the contributions BO got from Wall Street should be all over the news…yet, crickets.

  321. This is pretty good:

    “End The Accusations of Racism: Vote Against Obama’s Unqualified White Side.”

    http: / / countusout.wordpress.com/

  322. If they’re talking about BO ‘looking presidential’ instead of about him saying something relevant … that tells you something.

    Maybe he can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

  323. Mass-going Catholics
    By William D. Zeranski

    For the Democrats, the election season has become disturbingly unpredictable as traditional Democrat voting blocks become more unreliable. The steadfast and important Catholic vote is one of them.

    Of course, the blame for this outrageous lack of support isn’t placed at the feet of the party’s increasingly lackluster presidential candidate, but squarely on the shoulders of the voters. It’s their fault. A NYT article cites racism:

    One parishioner ruled out voting for Mr. Obama explicitly because he is black. “Are they going to make it the Black House?” Ray McCormick asked, to embarrassed hushing from a half dozen others gathered around the rectory kitchen. (Five of the six, all lifelong Democrats who supported Mrs. Clinton in the primary, said they now lean toward Mr. McCain.)

    Mr. Madonna, the political scientist, said of the Catholic vote in white, working-class Scranton, “This is a tough area for Obama and some of it is race.”

    A single ignorant comment by one individual is hardly evidence of a widespread racist sentiment. We know racism is cruel and unjust. We also know that racism as a label is often used by the Left to shame Americans, all Americans, especially when the electoral going gets rough. The election has shifted drastically from a ‘sure thing’ to the use of every Left-wing tactic, and broad-brush name-calling is one of them.

    But in fact, the NYT article isn’t about racism, it’s about abortion. And this year, when it comes to the Catholic vote, it is all about abortion. The progressives know it.

    The abortion issue among Catholics has only been complicated by ignorant comments made by Democrat politicians, which have driven a deeper wedge into the Catholic vote. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s erroneous remarks about Catholic teaching were among those that didn’t help:

    Pelosi on Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” was asked when human life begins. She said:

    I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition … St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose.

    Her response, however, mangled Catholic doctrine, charges a new letter from 19 Catholic members of Congress.

    “We are compelled to refute your error,” the letter said.

    The MSM has used the word ‘contradictory’ to finesse the fact that Nancy Pelosi, a woman who is Catholic, was plain wrong. Whether the Left believes it or not, the Catholic Church does do its best not to become involved in secular politics, but when supposedly Catholic politicians make utterly false statements about the Church’s teaching, Catholic bishops have no choice but to respond:

    WASHINGTON-Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman, U.S. Bishops Committee on Doctrine, issued the following statement:

    Recently we had a duty to clarify the Catholic Church’s constant teaching against abortion, to correct misrepresentations of that teaching by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on “Meet the Press” (see http://www.usccb.org/prolife/whatsnew.shtml).

    Along with Pelosi, Vice Presidential candidate Joe Biden also had to be corrected as well:

    Senator Biden did not claim that Catholic teaching allows or has ever allowed abortion. He said rightly that human life begins “at the moment of conception,” and that Catholics and others who recognize this should not be required by others to pay for abortions with their taxes.

    However, the Senator’s claim that the beginning of human life is a “personal and private” matter of religious faith, one which cannot be “imposed” on others, does not reflect the truth of the matter. The Church recognizes that the obligation to protect unborn human life rests on the answer to two questions, neither of which is private or specifically religious.

    For the Church and Mass-going Catholics, it’s about life, not about politics, and progressive Catholics know that the discussion must be shifted away from Church thought and teaching on Morality and back to politics where the Left’s social agenda is more secure and eclectic:

    “Getting into Augustine and Aquinas – it is just not helpful,” said Chris Korzen, executive director of Catholics United, a progressive Catholic group running television commercials that emphasize the church’s social justice teachings. “It would be wise for them [Democrat politicians] to focus on how policies they are going to implement as leaders are going to move forward the church teachings they say they believe in.”

    That’s the trick for progressive Catholic politicians, “to move forward the church teachings they say they believe in.” In other words, if the Church teaching on abortion doesn’t fit the politics-ignore it.

    But there’s a further complication, which drives Liberal Catholic politicians to make erroneous religious statements while the MSM uses panic-stricken election year race bating. That complication is Sarah’s Palin’s choice not to abort her son because of Down syndrome. Sarah’s choice, like Catholic Church teaching, transcends national politics. Mass-going Catholics can see that the abortion issue has a new face, and that face is less than a year old.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/massgoing_catholics.html

  324. You need to read this

    husaria.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/obama-endorsed-an-anti-semitic-hate-group-solicited-anothers-endorsement/

    Obama Endorsed an Anti-Semitic Hate Group, Solicited Another’s Endorsement

    Endorsed by Obama: “He’s one of the greedy Jew bastards killing our [black] people. Don’t give the Jew a dime.”

    Ready-to-go viral E-mail and blog entry: please copy, paste, and circulate as widely as possible. Unlike the smears and urban legends that are being directed against both Presidential tickets, the reader can verify the following material independently.

    Keep [going] right on past Freddy’s, he’s one of the greedy Jew bastards killing our [black] people. Don’t give the Jew a dime.

    The above anti-Semitic tirade came from Morris Powell, the head of Al Sharpton’s “Buy Black” Committee, during a menacing protest against a Jewish owned store, Freddy’s Fashion Mart, in 1995. In 2007, Barack Hussein Obama endorsed Al Sharpton and his National Action Network, the same hate group that shouted this and other epithets at a Jewish owned store, as follows: “Reverend Sharpton is a voice for the voiceless, and a voice for the dispossessed. What National Action Network has done is so important to change America, and it must be changed from the bottom up.” The reader can find this quote at Al Sharpton’s own Web site,
    ]
    http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/html/press_releases.html; as we promised, the reader can verify every single statement we make here.

  325. um…Sarah Palin is running for V.P. She doesn’t have a lot of foreign relations experience.

    um…Barack Obama is running for president. He doesn’t have a lot of foreign relations experience (unless you count the rock star tour he just took where he trashed the U.S.A. and ignored injured troops).

    um…John McCain has more foreign relations experience and know-how than the three put together.

    Why is the media all over her about this and not Obama? Why are they not compairing his non-experience at anything to McCain’s vast experience in many things?

    I’m just saying that if the media rigs the vp and presidential debates because of this, then why not just declare the U.S.A. a dictatorship and be done with it! No more elections.

  326. husaria.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/obama-endorsed-an-anti-semitic-hate-group-solicited-anothers-endorsement/

    You need to read this one

    Obama Endorsed an Anti-Semitic Hate Group, Solicited Another’s Endorsement

    “He’s one of the greedy Jew bastards killing our [black] people. Don’t give the Jew a dime.”

    The above anti-Semitic tirade came from Morris Powell, the head of Al Sharpton’s “Buy Black” Committee, during a menacing protest against a Jewish owned store, Freddy’s Fashion Mart, in 1995. In 2007, Barack Hussein Obama endorsed Al Sharpton and his National Action Network, the same hate group that shouted this and other epithets at a Jewish owned store, as follows: “Reverend Sharpton is a voice for the voiceless, and a voice for the dispossessed. What National Action Network has done is so important to change America, and it must be changed from the bottom up.” The reader can find this quote at Al Sharpton’s own Web site,

    …Sharpton led his National Action Network in an ugly boycott against Freddy’s Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned business in Harlem, New York. …The street leader of the boycott, Morris Powell, was the head of Sharpton’s “Buy Black” Committee. Repeatedly referring to the Jewish proprietors of Freddy’s as “crackers,” Powell and his fellow protesters menacingly told passersby, “Keep [going] right on past Freddy’s, he’s one of the greedy Jew bastards killing our [black] people. Don’t give the Jew a dime.” Some picketers openly threatened violence against whites and Jews — all under the watchful, approving eye of Sharpton. The subsequent picketing became increasingly menacing in its tone until one of the protesters eventually shot four whites in the store and then set the building on fire — killing seven employees, most of whom were Hispanics.

  327. i know this is long, but its a great article by ANI, at noquarter:

    ***********
    In the face of some powerful Democratic fundraisers/supporters of Senator Clinton and even Democratic legislators now boldly endorsing Senator McCain, it is clear that the wheels may be coming off the Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dean/Brazile bandwagon. That people would abjectly refuse to support the Presidential nominee and, you should pardon the expression, start batting for the other team, seems shocking. Although given the disingenuous, inexperienced candidate we are supposed to be supporting, not at all surprising.

    The media’s pillow-fluffing rhapsodic musings about the Obama ‘movement’ made them abandon their objectivity faster than a child abandoning a broken toy. The DNC gambled on an unvetted, unqualified, well-sculpted concoction of New Age-y hyped up post-partisan platitudes that really don’t make much sense to Americans struggling to keep afloat. Their gamble has resulted in a split of the Democratic Party. No matter what Obama does, his numbers won’t go above 50%. No amount of money, media favoritism, or caucus fraud can change that fact.

    What to do now? When in doubt, play: j’accuse!! The media and Dem party leadership have started pointing fingers. Racism!! They cry. Nonsense, I say.

    The racism charges have been put out by Senator Obama personally and many in the DNC/Obama wing of the Party. This is a scenario that both they and the media can hide behind to avoid questions and blowback if Obama loses. It’s a way to be insulated from failure so they can still claim to be relevant if the election results in a loss for Obama in this “no lose year for Democrats.” How we got to this place of throwing the far more qualified candidate under the bus will be discussed for some time to come.

    What we are seeing is a battle for the Democratic Party itself. Clearly the ‘Howards’, ‘Nancys’ and ‘Donnas’ in the DNC chose to kick the Clinton wing to the curb by forcing delegates to make a selection before it was time to vote and staging an end run around the legitimate nominating process. They did their best to pretend that Hillary’s 18,000,000 voters and her 1912 delegates did not exist.

    To that end, Marc Rubin and Prof. Heidi Li Feldman, co-founders of The Denver Group, through the use of grass roots fundraising, both on and off the internet, did a tremendous job of creating and placing effective targeted advertising that added pressure to the decision to put Hillary’s name into nomination and get a roll call vote at the Democratic Convention.

    Unfortunately, we all know what happened as a result of the thuggish tactics of the DNC leadership. The only good news is that the reputations and favorability ratings of Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Harry Reid seem at an all time low. Apparently, someone out there is paying attention.

    Marc Rubin shared his thoughts with me about the Convention, its aftermath and how The Denver Group is evolving in an effort to apply pressure for change in the fractured Democratic Party and hold the current party leadership’s feet to the fire.

    Marc, looking back, what is your feeling your feeling about how the Convention played out?

    The convention was a total fraud. The roll call vote was rigged, and every Democratic rule and procedure was violated in order to do it and they did it in broad daylight right in front of the watchful eyes of the news media who have the powers of observation of a drunken sailor on a Saturday night. They just let the corruption happen without comment. Some of the more egregiously blind were Mike Barnicle, Chris Matthews and of course that Olbermann guy who still thinks this is sports.

    What would you want to explain about the roll call vote or outcome for those not as intimately involved in the situation? There are still those who think Senator Obama won the nomination “fair and square.” What is your response to that?

    Well there is no accounting for people’s ignorance and refusal to think for themselves, but according to Democratic Party rules it was totally rigged. Rule 6, I believe, states clearly that pledged delegates have an obligation to vote according to the voters who elected them based on the primaries.

    Just as one example, Clinton ‘landslided’ Obama in the New Jersey primary winning many more elected pledged delegates than Obama. As you saw during the roll call vote all 130 pledged delegates “voted” for Obama. And no one blinked an eye. And as everyone knows super delegates were going to decide this because Obama didn’t have the 2/3 needed in pledged delegates. They never were given a chance to vote. The last unofficial count according to Politico.com prior to the roll call vote showed among super delegates, 271 for Obama, 268 for Clinton and 160 undecided. If the roll call vote was honest, Obama would have most likely lost.

    Had you ever been so involved in a campaign? What motivated you to go the extra mile?

    What motivated me was unfairness. The incredible deceit of Pelosi outright lying during the primary season, saying that super delegates had an obligation to vote according to the pledged delegate count, the slanted playing field, the deceit and dishonesty of the news media and people like Jonathan Alter, MSNBC and others calling for Clinton to get out, and of course the Florida and Michigan fiasco when Obama and the DNC and the media colluded to deny both states their rightful voices. The last straw was after the last primary when Pelosi forced super delegates to declare 6 weeks before their votes would count so they could short circuit the process and declare Obama the winner when he wasn’t.

    As Governor Rendell of Pennsylvania pointed out, the DNC insisted on nominating the weaker candidate. Aside from the obvious consequence of making the election harder to win, what do you think are some of the short and long term consequences of such an action to the Democratic Party going forward?

    Harder to win? Try impossible to win. One candidate ‘landslided’ the other in 13 of the biggest states in the country, not just won, but won by landslide margins and they sent out the loser. They deserve to lose and lose big. The short term consequences are short term pain for long term gain because a massive Obama defeat will get rid of Dean, Pelosi, Brazile and the Obama wing of the party and get it on the right track again.

    The DNC is using various scare tactics to get everyone to fall in line. What is your response to their favorite ploys?

    a) McCain as neocon?

    As rated by conservative groups, McCain has the worst conservative voting record of any Republican member of Congress which is one reason Rush Limbaugh hates him. I’m going to write a post specifically addressing all of this because it’s so ludicrous.

    b) Threats to reverse Roe v. Wade?

    As for Roe v. Wade, it’s designed to scare people who are ignorant of the law, the limits on the power of the executive [branch] and how the legal system works. It’s virtually a done deal that Roe v. Wade will never get reversed in a McCain presidency and if you want proof, no Presidents were more opposed to Roe v. Wade than Bush and Reagan and nothing happened in 16 years of both administrations and for logical reasons. It won’t happen under a McCain administration either.

    c) Conservative SCOTUS appointments?

    Appointing judges is a crap shoot. Look at David Souter. Besides, even conservative judges respect court precedent and only in extreme and compelling circumstances are willing to overturn long-standing decisions and it hardly ever happens and it wouldn’t with Roe v. Wade. There is a big difference between conservatives WANTING it to be overturned and a court doing just that, assuming you could even find a case where someone with the standing to bring a law suit would do it.

    d) What about the DNC and media pushing that if one does not vote for Senator Obama, one must be racist? How effective is this tactic?

    Martin Luther King said he dreamed of a day when a person would be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. That day has obviously not arrived for Obama, his campaign and those in the DNC, who think making an issue of race and using it to try and intimidate weak minded people is the way to win the election.

    Any objective person would come to the conclusion, based on everything known, that Obama doesn’t have the character, courage or the conviction even to be an effective Senator much less President. Using accusations of racism to try and intimidate people into voting for an unqualified candidate will backfire among everyone who sees through it and resents it.

    That doesn’t include patronizing knee-jerk liberals such as Keith Olbermann and others like him; the kind of patronizing pseudo-liberals that Lenny Bruce made fun of in the early 60’s, who want to show how un-racist they are by drumming up support for someone with the ethics of a dishonest used car salesman.

    But it’s a good reason the polls can’t be trusted. When Obama and his minions try and use the race card to intimidate people, those who do feel intimidated will say one thing but will do another. The more they do it, the more they alienate the people they are trying to win over, so the tactic of trying to get people to prove they are not racists by voting for him, like taking some kind of loyalty oath, smacks of racial McCarthyism, and while it might be successful with some, most people will reject it.

    Aside from the obvious wish to scare up voters, why do you feel they are using such a risky tactic?

    It is a sign of desperation and reinforces the truth that Senator Obama has nothing to say and nothing to offer.

    We have many, many African Americans who have been elected to public office — mayors, governors, members of Congress, members of state legislatures, and none of them had to use race as a tactic to get elected. All were elected on their merits and won re-election or were defeated based on their performances. In the end the more Obama uses race the more he is telling people he has no game.

    I understand The Denver Group has a new offshoot — Democrats for Principle Before Party — what are your new goals going forward?

    A massive defeat for Obama and the resignations of everyone in the DNC who produced him and the elimination of the Obama wing of the party which is obviously corrupt and putting the DNC back into the hands of people who understand the word “democracy”.

    It wasn’t Clinton’s supporters who stooped to the level of the Obama wing and corrupted and mishandled everything, so to start with, Clinton and her supporters would obviously do a better job getting a Democrat back in the White House and getting the entire party back on track after all the “I told you so’s” are over. This also means replacing Pelosi, Reid, Dean and everyone else. If the Democrats retain control of Congress, I can’t see any member of the House with 2 cents for a brain re-electing Pelosi Speaker of the House. Once this is over, we should see a big power shift back to sanity.

    When you see how the DNC has so skewed the process this time, what can be done to effect change on a grass roots level? What would be your advice to those feeling completely disenfranchised by the primary season – how can they bring pressure to bear to make sure this sort of thing never happens again?

    Vote for an Obama defeat, whether than means voting for another candidate or leaving the Presidential line blank. No money to the DNC, and donating money to The Denver Group to help finance Democrats For Principle Before Party.

    Finally, what can you say to those who don’t understand why you are not just “lining up” the way most Dems usually do in support of any candidate? If you could correct any misconception about how they view your actions, what would you say to them?

    I’d say they should look at themselves and whether they have decided to believe what Obama and the news media tells them or their own “lying eyes”. Understand that Democrats don’t “fall in line” like Republicans do, that Dean and Pelosi’s “fall in line” strategy has backfired and showed a distinct lack of understanding of who Democrats are, and the last thing I would tell people is do themselves a favor and try thinking for themselves and not believe something is true just because someone tells them so.

    But if people can’t see the rank dishonesty and hypocrisy in everything Obama has said and done by now: his lying about [Rev.] Wright and the fact he was never offended enough by what Wright was saying to leave and never go back, his lying about FISA, NAFTA, his reneging on his promises and pledges, and if they don’t mind being led around by the nose I don’t know there is anything more anyone can say.

    Thank you for taking the time to do this interview, Marc. I honestly feel watchdog organization like yours are critical, particularly now, when the media is working so diligently to manhandle the truth. As you and Heidi Li point out on your website, it is crucial to stop all the errant finger pointing and lay the blame squarely at the feet of those to whom it belongs.

    I’m not advocating anyone vote one way or the other, but John McCain said something apropos during his convention speech, in re vetoing ‘pork projects’ that come across his desk: “They will be famous. You will know their names.”

    A good prescription for the current Democratic Party leadership. Don’t you think?

    * * *
    *Marc Rubin is an award winning art director and writer in the advertising business, was a contributing editor for National Lampoon in its heyday, the head writer on a number of prime time network TV series and is currently developing several movie and TV projects.

  328. SHV Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    — Democrats for Principle Before Party
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    Marc and Heidi Li need to come up with a catchier name or acronym.

    ===============

    Democrats for Democracy?

  329. Bay Area Reps, Dems Pushing Hard Before Election

    SAN CARLOS, Calif. (KCBS) — State polls show Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama way ahead of Republican John McCain, but party organizers in the Bay Area say they are not changing game plans for the November election.
    KCBS’ Betsy Gebhart Reports
    More than 40 volunteers crammed into the San Mateo Democratic headquarters Saturday in San Carlos, to do phone-banking for presidential candidate Barack Obama. But it’s not just a weekend activity, supporters will be there everyday making calls and finding supporters.

    ”The Obama campaign has done such a fabulous job recruiting people, and putting them to work in the field,” said local campaign manager Mike Adelai. “The field organization for the campaign itself is very broad, and very deep.”

    Meanwhile at the GOP headquarters there was a smaller, but equally dedicated volunteer group phone banking and precinct walking for John McCain. A local GOP spokesman says a cancelled Sarah Palin fundraiser has been rescheduled for October.

    http://www.kcbs.com/Bay-Area-Reps–Dems-Pushing-Hard-Before-Election/3003011

  330. For friends who are scared of Palin, pls show them this article.

    h t t p : / / http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm

    ANCHORAGE — Weeks after taking office as Alaska’s governor in December 2006, Sarah Palin vetoed a bill that sought to ban benefits for the same-sex partners of state workers. It was unconstitutional, she said.

    This year, she rebuffed religious conservatives who wanted her to add two abortion restriction measures to a special legislative session on oil and gas policy, even though she supported the bills. Former aide Larry Persily said she didn’t want to risk offending Democrats, whose votes she needed on energy legislation.
    ….

    But in her 21 months as governor, Palin has taken few steps to advance culturally conservative causes. Instead, after she knocked off an incumbent amid an influence-peddling scandal linked to the oil industry, Palin pursued a populist agenda that toughened ethics rules and raised taxes on oil and gas companies.

    And she did so while relying on Democratic votes in the Legislature.

    “She has governed from the center,” says Rebecca Braun, author of Alaska Budget Report, a non-partisan political newsletter. “She has in some small ways supported her religious views — for example, proposing money to continue the office of faith-based and community initiatives — but she has actually been conspicuously absent on social issues. She came in with a big oil and gas agenda, which really required Democratic allies to get through.”
    ….

    But at one debate, she said she favored teaching students about contraception, including condoms.

    [[[ Even the token critic quoted at the end of the article admitted Palin had stayed out of social issues in Alaska.

    The rest of the article gives details of her reforms of the oil industry and other reform successes. — tdo ]]]

  331. correntewire.com/acronyms_to_watch_for_roubini_supports_hillarys_holc_not_rtc_rfc_solutions_to_financial_crisis

    (excerpt)

    Bottom line: Households first, then the banks (which, in the end, turns out to be better for the banks, too).

    And HOLC, while Obama is still waiting for word from his finance guys to scroll up on his teleprompter, is the solution Hillary has already advocated:

    A new government entity like the HOLC with a focus on attacking the source of the problem can serve the purpose of clearing a lot of those toxic mortgage securities from the market. We know there will not be any semblance of a normal or orderly marketplace until we have found a way to resolve these mortgage securities that are metastasizing in the bottom of our markets. By taking this paper out of the market and quarantining it in this new entity we will be able to give the market breathing room to recover.

  332. SHV @2:03 Says:
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    These huge “bail outs” will be the last straw that will unleash the the building pressures of inflation. Combined with rising unemployment, an economy in recession, double digit inflation will bite hard. It’s 1980 all over again, but worse.
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    Taipan and I agree with you. I tried to get a friend to project what the prices below will look like 4 years from now. He ignored my question. I think Hillary and Bill are worried about this stuff now more than the election–that’s a guess. They are the two great leaders we have today. Most of the other public officials are a mile wide and six inches deep. I wonder whether what is going on now isnt a reprise of the Jeckly Isand 1910 stuff where the Fords, Rockfellers met secretly and came up with an idea to insulate their fortunes from the effect of the 1907 thing and came up with the federal reserve which dilutes the wealth of ordinary people as a result . . . . . . .

    “Inflation has to be brought under control before it’s too late,” warns MSNMoney.

    Bernanke and the Fed have made it clear in recent months that printing new money and bailing out their Wall Street partners is much more important to them than corralling inflation.

    And if you’re an investor planning your retirement, that should terrify you.

    The “hidden tax” that the Fed is collecting from you right now will severely affect your ability to live even the most modest of lifestyles comfortably.

    A loaf of white bread cost $1.05 in 2006; in 2008 it costs $1.28.

    A dozen eggs cost $1.45 in 2006; in 2008 they cost $2.18.

    A 1 pound bag of apples cost 96 cents in 2006; in 2008 they cost $1.16.

    A pound of chicken cost $1.06 in 2006; in 2008 it costs $1.16.

    A gallon of milk cost $3.20 in 2006; in 2008 it costs $3.87.

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  333. note: part of the foregoing would reflect increased cost of fuel–so it is not a pure apples to apple comparison. But it is still indictative of the trend and there will be an upward spike as a result of current events.

  334. Long time reader, first time poster. This is a part of an article I thought there might be interest in. It’s called “The Sarah Palin Effect” and its from The Weekly Standard, but it has a section about Hillary that I thought very good. The most interesting parts being doesn’t want to be blamed it Obama loses (explaining why she is compaigning for him though her heart doesn’t seem to be in it) and the last paragraph. Its long, so sorry about that, but I thought it worth the read.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/591xzuuj.asp?pg=1

    “3. Hillary’s Angle. As fate had it, the phone finally rang at three in the morning chez Hillary Clinton, and this time, it was a true crisis: It was Barack Obama, begging her to save his rear end. Having beaten her in a long, angry battle, in which she and her friends thought his behavior and that of his friends had been sexist, after having broadcast the fact that she wasn’t even on his medium list for vice president, he is now asking her without the title to take on the role of de facto vice president, i.e, head attack dog in dispatching the woman who now has stolen her chance to make history. As Amy Holmes put it on CNN’s website, “In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked.” That sound you hear–along with a small snort from Hillary–is the weight of power in the Democratic scale sliding back to the side of the Clintons. After he made a point of stressing how little she matters, he now seems to need her more than ever. And she, of course, does not need him.

    Rather the opposite. If Obama wins, she gets to see her party in power, if that is her object. The problem is that the party is no longer hers. Or hers and her husband’s. If Obama wins, the Clintons become history. They also slip down considerably on the great grid of power: She is eclipsed by a president who defeated her, a first lady who hates her, a loquacious vice president with a large, lively family, and a legion of people who early on threw in their lots with Obama, and have prior claims upon him and his loyalty. She becomes in effect a footnote to history, remembered perhaps for her personal dramas, her historic run in the primaries no longer remarkable, but overshadowed by Sarah Palin’s run for vice president. Win or lose, Palin becomes the country’s most visible she-politician, culture phenomenon, as well as the best bet to succeed John McCain at the head of her party. Hillary is yesterday’s news, and has the rest of her life to brood on the mistakes that caused her to lose–very narrowly–the great prize she wanted and pursued, some will tell you, for the past 30 years.

    This changes, however, if McCain wins. At once, she becomes the most important Democrat, the shipwreck survivor, the frontrunner for her party’s 2012 nomination; the road not taken; the one that, if followed, would have led to the outcome for which her party has struggled so long. For four long years, she will be saying “I told you so”–to the super-delegates who didn’t flock to her even when she won all those big primaries; to Obama, now back in the Senate, who didn’t name her when he had his big chance. A deflated Messiah, a wünderkind who couldn’t quite hack it, Obama would join Al Gore and John Kerry in the weary line of pitiful losers who tried and failed to match Bill Clinton’s success. Bill Clinton himself becomes the Big Dog again, the one shining light in the overall darkness, the only Democrat to be elected twice since Franklin D. Roosevelt, the most successful Democrat since the mid-1960s, when Lyndon Johnson’s luck, along with his party’s good fortune, ran out. (Granted, this is a fairly low bar to get over. But still.) If you were Hillary Clinton, which prospect would you find more appealing? Let’s guess.

    For the time being, Hillary Clinton appears less than eager to help Barack Obama out of the hole that he has dug. “Clinton advisers,” the New York Times reported on September 5, “say that Mrs. Clinton wants to do everything she can to elect Mr. Obama, so that she cannot be blamed if he loses–yet she also does not want to be too closely associated with him if he does.” Hillary, who sees herself as presidential, does not want to lower herself by getting into a brawl with the other side’s second tier candidate (that’s the job of the veep pick, which she was not offered), but hasn’t seemed to be going much after McCain either, stressing policy differences, and refraining from personal onslaughts. She seems to be attacking generic Republicans, on behalf of generic Democrats, who aren’t often identified. As the Associated Press put it, “The most she’d say about Mrs. Palin is that she and presidential candidate John McCain ‘are not the change that we need.’ ” Bill Clinton himself has had kind words for Palin. As the Boston Herald’s Jules Crittenden wrote on his blog, “Obama may want to do the math on that ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ thing, and make sure he’s figured it right.”

    Ever since Sarah Palin entered the campaign, both she and Hillary Clinton have observed a well-behaved truce. In her first speech, Palin praised Clinton (and 1984 Democratic VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro, both of whom crossed swords in the spring with Obama), and Clinton responded with a gracious and welcoming note of her own. Since then, neither of these two extremely acute politicians has uttered a cross personal word. They say they respect each other, and they may in fact do so: Many conservatives, to their own stupefaction, ended up admiring Hillary’s grit under pressure. But Palin also hopes to peel off some of Hillary’s voters, and Hillary has no intention of damaging her own future chances in a cat fight with another popular woman in the interests of her old foe. Clinton and Palin have key things in common: Each knows the other is an icon to millions of women; each sees a political future that goes beyond this election, and each senses potential in at least some of the other one’s followers. Hillary’s feminists and Palin’s pro-life evangelicals are safely locked into their parties, but there is a much wider swath down the middle that appears to be open to both.

    The truth is that Hillary’s feminists were never the key to her primary victories. Her triumphs in the big states that were so impressive–Ohio and Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and West Virginia–were fueled by (Andrew) Jacksonian voters, in less elite venues, who found her the more conservative of the two Democrats; the least urban, the least elitist, the most likely to be strong and assertive in foreign affairs. These are not people for whom Roe v. Wade (either way) is a big voting issue. They are people for whom toughness is. They perceive, correctly, that each is a woman you would want to have on your wagon train if you were crossing the continent, and to them, each has the same gutsy, tough-woman vibe. It is not irrelevant that the places where the McCain people expect Palin to help most are the states in which Clinton managed to mop the floor with Obama, the states Obama offended with his “God and guns” ridicule. Clinton and Palin cannot afford to offend all of each other’s constituents, and perhaps they don’t want to.

    And so, Hillary is missing in action from the Palin–hating brigade. She and McCain are said to be friends, and to work well together. In the primaries, she often compared Obama unfavorably to her friend in the Senate. Her comment that she and McCain had credentials in the national security area while Obama had a speech made four years ago has already appeared in McCain’s commercials, and it is hard to believe when she said it that she could not foresee this happening. It is also hard to believe that after she and Bill vote for McCain in the privacy of the voting booth up in Chappaqua, they will not be among the first to make phone calls to Sarah Palin, and then to John McCain.”

  335. .Jeckyl(sp) Island

    My impression is that Hillary and Bill are very concerned about the state of our country right now. They know democacies are most vulnerable at election time. And she knows she had the solutions we need in the Oval office–As always, it isnt about her-it is about what is best for this country.

    Okay. Vice previous word I look at the situation I grow more apprehensive that they will try to force her on the ticket. I spoke to an arbitrator this morning who is a strong Hillary supporter. He said they are trying to say Biden has health issues. Bullshit. He is a strong as a horse. Dont fabricate something. You who made this bad choice for the country need to play it out.

    The worst thing Hillary can do is go on the ticket UNLESS she has clearly broad and plenar powers and duties, which are defined clearly and unambiguously and a 100% reliable enforcement mechanism that does not depend on the likes of Pelosi and Reid who blow with the wind. Even then it is no better than a push. I think her best move is to let this dark cloud pass if it does, let the poison drain from the system and re evaluate a couple years from now.

    No one can save these so called leaders from themselves. Imagine what it would be like doing what she has been doing for the past two months for the next eight years. He is uneducable in the areas that count.

  336. # wbboei Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    note: part of the foregoing would reflect increased cost of fuel–so it is not a pure apples to apple comparison. But it is still indictative of the trend and there will be an upward spike as a result of current events.
    ***************
    There is inflation in China now that I think the Chinese are “eating” the rising costs in order to keep market share in US. The Europeans are also “eating” the weak dollar. It can’t last. Since most of the day to day things that we buy are made outside the US we will have little control over the rising prices.

  337. from cannonfire – though this would make a great ad for McCain, except for the last line which is pretty crass:

    Remember when Obama said “I barely know Tony Rezko” during a debate? Then an FBI informant revealed that Obama and Rezko were in daily contact for years.

    Remember when Obama said that he barely knows Bill Ayers? Then we learned that they had worked together for years. Obama recently admitted that the relationship was much closer than he orginally pretended.

    Now Obama says that he barely knows Franklin Raines, the Fannie Mae robber baron.

    The first rule of Obama: When Obama says that he “barely knows” a crook, you can bet the rent money that they’ve swallowed each other’s c*me.

  338. There is inflation in China now that I think the Chinese are “eating” the rising costs in order to keep market share in US. The Europeans are also “eating” the weak dollar. It can’t last. Since most of the day to day things that we buy are made outside the US we will have little control over the rising prices
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    And that my friend is the hell of it.

    And I remember a time not that long ago when I was trying to sell a bill that to protect the domestic cattle industry and could not get more than 60 sponsors. Protectionism is akin to racism in the sense that the mere mention of the word sucks the oxygen of out of the room and cuts off intelligent dialogue. I went to newspapers and was told everyone here is a free trader. Now we see where it gets us. Believe me it wasnt that I was that smart but that they were than stupid. I will go yo one better. Our econmoy now is based on just in them inventory. Think about the risks and implications of that. We will get through it if we have smart patriots or as Rendell so aptly put it “an intelligent sophisticated populist” like our girl looking out for us. At the moment the path for that is muddled but in time it will become clear.

  339. Count: being a “Harvard trained laywer” who was editor of the prestigious Harvard Law Review (prestigious until he got ahold of it) and as mr. unwise was kind enough to inform us yesterday “a constitutional scholar” who makes John Marshall look like a bumbling law clerk, I am quite sure that the phony bastard will know exactly what to say in response to the Ayers charge: ” I never met him, but even if I met him I never knew him, but even if I met him I never knew he was a bomber, but even if I knew he was a bomber that was before I was born, but even if it was not before I was born he is now an academic win no radical ideas, but even if he has radical ideas we need them to reform inner city schools (with Maddresses), but even if the he did not reform the schools we worked togther on the Anneburg Challenge pro bono publico and spent 110 million dollars, but even if the 110 million dollars was not spent for the public good but instead went to Maoist and Fidelist oragnizations, we should not be talking about this thing because it is racist to do so in an election year and I am have filed a complaint against the Chicago radio station to shut them up so we can have unity.

  340. I was just talking to my brother, who is an Obama supporter but not insane. He was telling me that some of his friends are PISSED at Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats over the AIG bailout and their own personal involvement with AIG.

    He said some are so PISSED at OBAMA, a few are going to vote for Cynthia McKinney. They think Obama is going to be another Black sellout and think Cynithia better represent their concerns about Corporate welfare and taxpayer bailouts.

    Now this is important because these are former Obama supporters in Los Angeles who have become disenchanted with him and the Democrats hypocrisy regarding the bailouts and how the taxpayers are bailing out democrats in Congress.

    I was shocked to tell you the truth, that the kool-aid was not the only choice in AA communities.

    Also he was telling me they thought Obama made a bad choice picking Biden for vp and that McCain choice of Palin was a good pick. I asked him why and they said she has integrity and walk the walk on her faith. Baby Trig made an impression…they like how she stood by her family.

  341. I was just talking to my brother, who is an Obama supporter but not insane. He was telling me that some of his friends are PISSED at Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats over the AIG bailout and their own personal involvement with AIG
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    That Pelosi would go this way was inevitable. She is tied closely to Felix Rohatyn who is a wall street guy and he pulls her string. Dean is also tied to Wall Street through his family. Nancy is a big believer is selling off public assets to private devolopers as she did with the Presidio where my mom worked in ww2. Privatization and deregulation are part of what Nancy is, she is the 8th richest member of congress so when she blames Bush for what has happened she ignores her own complicity. Like Rohatyn who has been explicit on the subject, she is adamantly opposed to Roosevelt values–and to our candidate becasuse she favored them.

  342. wbboei – yup, the Fraud is a master at circular logic and tautology.

    by the way, Fox reported Rasmussen has BO at 48% and McCain at 47%.

    had heard that Gallup had McCain behind by 4, so the polls are settling.

  343. carbynew – that is good to hear. I am so tired of people on kool-aid. the Democratic party may still have some life if it if people are not deluded and the current leadership is ejected. it is especially good to hear that the AA community is not in lock-step. WE’VE known that, but it is never reported by the media, never.

  344. BO was 6 up in Gallup yeasterday and only 4 today, well that sounds like McCain is getting bounce from his economics.

  345. I suspect there a lot of AA’s thinking he’s speaking out of both sides of his mouth, i know one AA guy who does not trust Obama at all, said he was a white politician when he wants to be and a black politician when he needs to be. Then he said, the funniest thing is he aint even black, he’s more arab.

    Then I absolutely pissed myself when he said Al Jolson was blacker than Obama.

  346. Carbynew, i suspect Obama’s non stance on the economy is filtering in, read this letter from another site, I’m starting to see more of this dissent :

    Ronald Reagan famously said “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, it left me.”

    I’m seeing this sentiment a lot, most recently in a friend of mine. He’s gay, he’s Wiccan, he’s Democratic – until he changes his registration.

    I suspect the Democratic Party has left most of its members; it just takes a major shock to get any given person to notice.

    Wizbang has posted a letter from someone who finally had to pay attention to having been deserted by his party.

    To the readers of Wizbang: I write this to you as a lifelong Democrat, as someone who has always stood with the Democratic party and all it has stood for. Ever since I could legally vote, I have cast my ballot for the Democratic nominee — Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton (twice!), Al Gore, and John Kerry. I even managed to persuade my parents to vote for Walter Mondale when I was too young to vote myself.

    This year, I found myself filled with hope and promise for the future. Barack Obama was, to me, represented the greatest chance for our nation to finally fulfill its promise and lead the world to a better, brighter, fairer, more just age. I argued endlessly with those who would not or could not see this, trying to show them what I had learned.

    Now I find I deeply regret my actions, and hope that those I had argued with so vehemently will forgive me. I find that Barack Obama is not the man I thought he was.

    When I first started believing in Barack Obama, I thought he stood for so many of the things I believed in. But since then, he has betrayed nearly every single progressive belief I hold. …. The final straw, for me, was his response to the current financial meltdown we’re experiencing. At a time when we need bold leadership and decisive action, Senator Obama said he favored a “wait and see” approach before saying what he would do. Pardon me, Senator, but it was the “wait and see” approach by many of the Republicans who held Congress for so long that let the current disaster keep growing and building until it all started to unravel in the last few weeks. Sure, a few Republicans like John McCain did make some doom and gloom pronouncements over things, but they were just wildly guessing about the ultimate impact of such decent, humane, common-sense programs as Bill Clinton’s expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act, and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were right to fight off those greedy, mean-spirited attempts to rein it in and keep Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from going too far.

    As a lifelong Democrat, sickens me to say this, but I find I can’t vote for Barack Obama this November. I’m going to hold my nose and vote for McCain-Palin, and hope that this sends the message to the leaders of my party: we want REAL change, from a candidate we believe in.

  347. wbboei,

    You are cracking me the heck up today!

    carby,

    Thanks for sharing. Your not-so-insane brother gives me hope.

    😉

  348. mccain needs this race to be about charachter. period. a race on an issue eg the economy will play to obama bc he is a dem and simply for that. time to whip out those rev wright ads etc… mccain is up in fl, up in oh tied in mi-he is still got a great shot. god save this country whoever wins. the kind of money needed for the bailout to me means no healthcare etc for a long time

  349. moonpluto,

    Great letter. Between what your friend wrote and Carby’s brother’s change of heart I’m beginning to feel more optimistic.

  350. Oh and by the way, its amazing what different news you get when you live outside mainland USA, it tends not to be as biased.

  351. Maybe we should all form a Hell’s angel’s group and tour around on Harley’s getting in Obama supporters faces.

    We could call ourselves Hell’s Handbag’s.

  352. I haven’t been able to keep as close to the news as I used to because of Ike and busy with my business, but does it still seem like Hillary is going to be the vp??
    This week is the first debates, we will see how badly Bambi messes it up. What night is it on??

  353. Thanks for sharing. Your not-so-insane brother gives me hope.

    basil9,

    My brother still “in the tank” for Obama but he never believe this race was going to be a cake walk…in fact he think he will lose. What I’m was surprised at was what his friends are saying…about voting for Cynthia McKinney.

    My brother knows a lot of AA activists and people very involved in community works. Plus average joe’s and this is want is being said by many people who are talking about this Financial mess.

    From what I’m getting is that most blame the DEMOCRAT’s “conflict of interest” and not McCain. So I do think McCain message is resonating more then the MSM thinks. They just can’t see themselves crossing over to vote for McCain-Palin.

    I think the Democrats are stupid to add more money on top of the bail out.

    Good news: Entertainment and Media stocks are going through the roof on Wall Street…so MSM made a ton of money last week.

    Also, Dreamwork made a 1.5 billion deal with Reliance (India Entertaintmen) and will now be called Dreamwork-Reliance…so many market segments are making “big bucks.”

  354. South Carolina Poll Released by Rasmussen Reports: Barack Obama 45%, John McCain 51%

    Washington D.C. 9/21/2008 09:34 PM GMT (FINDITT)

    Here are the latest results from the South Carolina poll by Rasmussen Reports published on USAElectionPolls.com:

    There were 500 voters polled on 9/18.

    >> Receive Daily Poll Summaries To Your Inbox

  355. Oops, here’s the rest.

    McCain is viewed favorably by 57% of South Carolina’s likely voters while Obama earns positive reviews from 51%. Those figures reflect a three-point drop for McCain and a two-point gain for Obama.

    As for the running mates, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is viewed favorably by 56%. Delaware Senator Joe Biden gets favorable reviews from 46%.

    Fifty percent (50%) say McCain made the right choice in selecting Palin while 37% say Obama made the right choice in selecting Biden.

    Seventy-eight percent (78%) view Palin as politically conservative while 49% see Biden as politically liberal.

    Source: Recent Polls, Electoral College Results

    http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=62362&cat=5

  356. Palin to Meet With Kissinger, Colombian President
    By Elisabeth Bumiller

    Gov. Sarah Palin will meet with former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia during the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday, an aide to Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign said.

    Ms. Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, is to meet on the same day with President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan.

    The sessions are part of an effort to demonstrate that Ms. Palin is prepared to function in the world of foreign policy and national security at a time when she is under criticism for a lack of experience. Ms. Palin, who has been governor of Alaska for 20 months, got her first passport last year.

    The McCain campaign provided no details about the time, place or issues to be discussed at the meetings.

    But it is likely that Mr. Kissinger, a close outside adviser to Mr. McCain’s campaign, is likely to give her a broad overview of international affairs, focusing particularly on Russia, China and the Middle East. Mr. Kissinger, who was national security adviser and secretary of state in the Nixon and Ford administrations, is regularly called on by Mr. McCain for impromptu advice on foreign affairs.

    Mr. Uribe is certain to talk to Ms. Palin about a crucial issue between his country and the United States, a proposed trade agreement that would lift tariffs on the majority of goods exported and imported between the two countries. Mr. McCain argues that it would open up markets for American manufactured goods and farm products and bolster relations with a crucial U.S. ally that receives about $600 million a year in counterinsurgency and anti-narcotics aid.

    But Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, opposes it, as do many Democrats, because of American workers’ fears about job losses overseas and American labor’s concern over the killings of union leaders in Colombia. Approval of the trade deal is currently held up Democrats in Congress.

    Mr. Karzai is almost certain to discuss with Ms. Palin the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan and the resurgence of the Taliban and al Qaeda in the border area with Pakistan. For much of this year, Mr. McCain said that no additional U.S. forces were needed in Afghanistan, but in July he changed course and advocated the deployment of an additional three brigades, or about 15,000 troops.

    Ms. Palin, who is expected to echo Mr. McCain’s foreign policy positions, is being prepared for her meetings by Randy Scheunemann, Mr. McCain’s top foreign policy aide, and by other advisers.

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/palin-to-meet-with-kissinger-colombian-president/
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    Arrogance will be the downfall of the Democratic? Taliban Party. The lask of respect for Gov. Palin is apalling and will backfire on the Dems.

  357. Obama Sets Up Debate Camp in the Sunshine State
    By Jeff Zeleny

    DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – Senator Barack Obama is heading to camp next week in Florida – debate camp, that is.

    Mr. Obama is going to sequester himself near Tampa Bay beginning Tuesday for intensive preparation in advance of the first presidential debate on Friday. A tight circle of key advisers will be on hand, including Greg Craig, an adviser and foreign policy specialist, who is playing the role of Senator John McCain.

    The choice of Florida – particularly the critical swing region near Tampa Bay – will be announced by the campaign in the coming days. It was, of course, selected with politics in mind.

    While Mr. Obama will have no rallies or town meetings next week, aides said, his mere presence (fueled by a few photo opportunities) will surely draw considerable local media attention and put to rest any suggestions that he does not intend to aggressively compete in the state with Senator John McCain.
    continue….

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/obama-sets-up-debate-camp-in-the-sunshine-state/

  358. McCain Reveals Dog Tags of Dead Soldier
    By Michael Cooper
    GREEN BAY, Wis. – More often than not, when Senator John McCain wraps up a rally or a political event, he will close by telling the audience about Matthew Stanley, a young man from New Hampshire who was killed in Iraq in December, 2006, whose name is on a black bracelet Mr. McCain has worn since Mr. Stanley’s mother gave it to him.

    But when he wrapped up a big rally with Gov. Sarah Palin at a hockey arena here Thursday night, Mr. McCain closed with a stunning new line.

    “Every once in a while you have an experience that’s very helpful to put into the right priority what this campaign is all about,’’ he began, in much the same way he usually begins the Matthew Stanley story. “And that just happened to me a few hours ago.’’

    Mr. McCain said that a woman had greeted him at the airport in Wisconsin and handed him an envelope.

    “Then I got back on the bus and I saw this envelope, and the envelope was from Cheryl Lee Patrick from Ladysmith, Wis.,’’ he said. “And on the front of the envelope it says: ‘To Senator John McCain. My son, Staff Sgt. Patrick Lee Lybert, K.I.A. June 21, 2006, Afghanistan. And then the note goes on to say: please remember and support our troops in Afghanistan. God bless you, Cheryl Patrick.”

    “And then I opened up the envelope,’’ Mr. McCain said, doing so on stage as a clinking sound was heard over the sound system, with many in the audience of the arena gasping audibly, “and there was the dog tags.’’

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/mccain-reveals-dog-tags-of-dead-soldier/

  359. PALIN DRAWS CROWD OF 70,000 IN THE VILLAGES (FLORIDA RALLY 9/21/08)

    The article says the fire chief estimates the crowd today at Palin’s rally at 70,000.

    news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

    THE VILLAGES — Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told wildly cheering, flag-waving, chanting supporters Sunday that John McCain is “the only great man in this race” and promised he will fix the nation’s economy if voters give the GOP four more years in the White House.

    “He won’t say this, so I’ll say it for him,” the Alaska governor said in an almost confidential tone at the close of her first Florida stump speech. “There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you. John McCain wore the uniform of his country for 22 years — talk about tough.”

    The Villages, a vast, upscale planned community north of Orlando, has about 70,000 mostly adult residents — many of them military retirees — who vote reliably Republican in statewide races. Tens of thousands inched along roads into the picturesque town square of the complex, where they stood in sweltering heat for about four hours as local GOP officials and a country band revved up the crowd.

  360. On the Road: Palin Plays It Safe
    By Kate Zernike

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/on-the-road-palin-plays-it-safe/

  361. I don’t have a source for this, as it was posted as a comment on a blog with no link. But evidently this PUMA was asked to speak at a McCain rally and did GREAT job IMO. The story about McCain and his Democratic buddy Udall is true – I’ve read it many places.

    I am re-posting this, and I hope all PUMA’s read it….

    Going off topic on this one. This is a bit long, but I was touched by this PUMA:

    (Sept 20, 2008)**** Firsthand Report***** I Was Invited To Speak As Hillary Supporter For McCain At Campaign Rally

    As a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, I recently had the opportunity to give a speech at a McCain rally as to why I have now switched my support to Sen. McCain. In private e-mails with friends and forum members I have been encouraged to post the text of my speech here for everyone to read.

    I can honestly say it was well received by the target audience and I was completely shocked to receive a standing ovation. What I spoke of that day was spoken in truth and from my heart. I hope all here will find it inspirational. Here is the text of my speech.

    Good morning! I am so honored to be here today, and to speak to you about why I am supporting Sen. John McCain for President.

    A supporter of Democrats my entire life, I was an avid supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton. But, when she suspended her campaign in June, I knew I would throw my support behind Sen. John McCain. Not out of anger or spite, but because Sen. Hillary Clinton was right when she said she would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, Sen. McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, and Sen. Obama would bring a speech.

    It was a simple decision and now I am the State Chair for “Citizens for McCain,” an organization founded by Sen. Joe Lieberman for Democrats and Independents who put their country first and support the candidate for president who has a proven record of bipartisanship politics.

    I agree with Sen. McCain on many issues – the important issues. I trust in his plans for energy independence, tax cuts, creating jobs for Americans, better health care, and as a mother of a soldier who has served in Iraq I trust him to bring our troops home safely and in victory. I trust him to get the government’s spending under control and I trust him to implement policies that will return the strength to our economy and ease the burdens so many Americans carry each day. I trust him to do those things because he has promised those things.

    And Sen. McCain says what he means and he means what he says. He is a man of character and those seem to be in short supply in Washington these days. But, Sen. McCain has lead the way in character for many, many years.

    I want to relay a story to you that was first presented in the New York Times Magazine in 1997.

    In 1982 when Sen. McCain was first elected to the House, Arizona Democratic Congressman Morris “Mo” Udall took him in hand and Sen. McCain has said Mo reached out to him in 50 different ways. Four years later when he was elected to the Senate, Sen. McCain said he felt his greatest debt of gratitude was to Congressman Udall, saying “There was no way Mo could have been more wonderful and there was no reason for him to be that way.”

    In the late 1990’s, Sen. McCain made the trip every few weeks to a veteran’s home not far from our nation’s capitol to visit Congressman Udall, who by then lay ill and crippled with Parkinson’s Disease, twisted and disfigured. Udall was rarely conscious and even when he was, showed no signs of recognition.

    On one particular day, a nurse entered and said “Almost no one visits anymore.” Once one of the most sought-after men in the Democratic Party, Udall lay dying and was visited regularly by only one single old political friend – Sen. John McCain.

    Sen. McCain has reflected on how it affected him when Mo Udall took him in hand all those years ago. Sen. McCain said it was one man saying to another that while they may disagree in politics they didn’t disagree in life. That party political differences only cut so deep. It was the reason Sen. McCain continued to visit Mo Udall, long after Udall lost his political influence. You see, the politics were never all that important. It was the friendship. Congressman Mo Udall died in December 1998.

    But, Sen. McCain didn’t forget Mo Udall’s kindness and he carried it forward. When Sen. Hillary Clinton arrived on the Senate floor in 2000, she wasn’t warmly welcomed by the good-old boys club. But, there was one man who was there to welcome her – Sen. John McCain. He reached out his hand, welcomed her, and showed her around, much like Mo Udall had done for him so many years ago.

    That, my friends is character and if character is the measure of a man then I would say Sen. John McCain far exceeds the measure.

    I want a president with character. I don’t want a president who has to hold repeated press conferences to apologize for and explain his lack of judgment in his personal, business, and religious associations; and I don’t want a president who spent 143 days in the Senate before he decided he was experienced enough to lead this country.

    I want a president with proven experience. I want a president who learned long ago that there is great value in bipartisanship politics. I want a president who loves his country and will fight for it. I want a president I can trust.

    And I want a president who isn’t afraid to be a maverick, to shake things up, and stand their ground. Known as a maverick for years, Sen. McCain cemented his status when he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. He sent a clear message not only to Washingtonians but to the world. Change is coming to the White House and it isn’t the false and empty change being touted by his Democratic opponent.

    That change is coming in the form of Maverick McCain and Sarah Barracuda Palin and we’ve all been put on notice – the face of Washington politics is going to change – for the better. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are proven reformers and they’re going to march that reform right into Washington together, and starting on day one that reform is going to begin to heal this nation’s troubles.

    So today, I am here to ask you do to what Sen. McCain asked in his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention – stand up with him and fight.

    Stand up and fight to bring real change, proven change to Washington that will change the course of this country for the better.

    So, let’s stand up together, work together, and fight together, regardless of political party, and let’s elect Sen. John McCain as the next President of the United States.

  362. The bail-outs are an issue, but the larger issue by far is where do we go from here.

    Obama has failed to provide a plan. Instead, he has laid down a set of political markers.

    Obama, the puppet of wall street now says the solution mus be good for MAINSTREET.

    Yet, when he was a Illionois State Politican, he changed the law so developers like REZKO could bid on public housing renovation projects.

    Also, he reduced the size of the oversight board from 15 to 9, staffed by Rezko cronies.

    The Rezko got the project to renovate 15 crumbling tenements 11 of which were in Obama’s district–HIS CONSTITUENTS!!!!!!!

    Rezko collected full payment but failed to perform the work, so his tenants suffered.

    Obama–friend of mainstreet never checked in on this project and never helped his constituents

    Yet this is the model legislation he now wants to promote nation-wide.

    And this is the presidnetial candidate who wants us to believe he would help mainstreet when history shows the opposite? Aint gonna happen.

    The other criterion he acts puffy about is the is ceos not taking money. What about Raines you delusional fool.

    Just because big media wants to hide it there is no reason why we should.

    Raines resigned from Fannie Maye, collected a huge settlement package and went to work for you helping with vp selection.

    Words mean nothing sir when actions fail to follow.

    Where McCain is cocerned we do not need another bureacracy.

    He needs to figure out how to staff the existing agencies with qualified competent mid level people.We lack them currently.

  363. moonpluto,
    thanks for that. i know the polls are skewed but it’s hard to shake the lifelong belief that the media dessiminates accurate information.
    😀
    Also, about that 70,000 in Florida. i checked the article but didn’t see any pics. don’t you think that number sounds awfully high?

    Carby,
    I appreciate your brother’s feedback but McKinney’s another wacko. I’ll never forget that ‘much-ado-about-a-hairdo’ stunt she pulled in DC when she got her panties in a wad coz a security guard didn’t recognize her and she insinuated it was racist.

  364. Palin Says Obama Voting ‘Present’ on the Economy
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    ABC’s Imtiyaz Delawala Reporting: At a rally in Lady Lake, Fla., today Gov. Sarah Palin accused Sen. Barack Obama of not aggressively promoting a plan to address the current crisis on Wall Street and compared the situation to his many “present” votes in the Illinois state legislature.

    “This week, when the economic crisis threatened the livelihoods of millions of Americans, John McCain took a clear stand and he offered his own recovery plan,” Palin told an enthusiastic crowd of thousands. “Our opponent refused to even take a stand on the position.

    “And that’s a lot like his tenure in the Illinois state legislature where Barack Obama voted present about 130 times. This week he voted present on the major economic issues of the day, and that is not leadership, America. It’s not leadership Americans can afford.”

    The speech took place at The Villages, a fast-growing, conservative retirement community about an hour north of Orlando featuring eight championship golf courses, where many residents travel by golf cart. The outdoor rally was Palin’s first public event in Florida.

    Palin was joined onstage by her husband, Todd; her daughters Willow and Piper; and her infant son, Trig. Palin told the audience at the beginning of her remarks that Todd had taken Willow and Piper to Disney World the day before. She then handed the microphone to 7-year-old Piper, who told the crowd, “Thank you for letting us be here

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/palin-says-obam.html

  365. lol, Tell me the Obama campaign is not seriously saying, wait until after the GE to hear my plan, thats political suicide.

  366. Palin’s Orlando appearance brings out women supporters

    The first Florida campaign stop by the Alaska governor and Republican phenom drew a crowd estimated at 60,000 by officials in this Central Florida retirement community.

    It was the largest crowd ever for a political event at The Villages, community spokesman Gary Lester said. The Republican bastion is a frequent stopping place for GOP candidates.

    More than four hours before Palin arrived, cars and golf carts jammed nearby roads and thousands of people clogged the Disneyesque Sumter Landing town center area to wait in the baking heat for a glimpse of Palin.

    Palin T-shirts, buttons and hats – most of them making reference to lipstick, pit bulls, hockey or some combination of those elements – were everywhere. There were also people wearing McCain items, but usually with Palin’s name on them somewhere.

    Palin took the stage around 4:30 p.m. accompanied by husband Todd Palin, whom she introduced as “Alaska’s first dude,” daughters Piper and Willow and infant son Trig.

    Palin’s speech lasted about 23 minutes and stuck to tested themes. She accused Obama of failing to offer a prescription for the crisis in the nation’s financial markets and said the Democrat would bring higher taxes.

    She praised McCain as a “maverick” who will shake up Washington and Wall Street and hailed his military service and grit as a Vietnam POW.

    Palin said her own role in a McCain administration would include focusing on government reform – “not just talking about it, but actually making change happen” – and energy independence and on helping families who have children with special needs. Palin’s youngest son has Down syndrome.

    Palin’s remarks were occasionally interrupted by chants of “Sarah, Sarah” at one point and “U.S.A., U.S.A.” at another.

    Deborah Abriola came from Orlando and wore a button that said “Don’t Let The Lipstick Fool You – Pitbulls for McCain-Palin” because she said she feels kinship with Palin as a fellow “lipstick mom.”

    Abriola described herself as a conservative Democrat who sees Palin as a role model for mothers.

    Her friend, Cheryl LeDuc, said she’s a Republican but wants to see a shakeup in the GOP. She said Palin “is conservative and she’s going to clean up Washington, including the Republicans.”

    Sue Viera of Micco in Brevard County described herself as an independent who had been an “iffy” supporter of McCain.

    “When he put Palin on, that really put me over the top,” said Viera, who said she sees Palin as someone who is nonpartisan and “will do what’s right.”

    Emily Skinner of St. Petersburg wore a “McPalin” T-shirt and said she’s enthusiastic about Palin’s experience dealing with energy issues in Alaska.

    “We need to gain our independence from foreign oil,” Skinner said. “She has the knowledge. She’s already worked with the oil companies in Alaska. She does have first-hand knowledge of how to work with the big boys.”

    Meredith Bobincheck of The Villages wore a “Liptick Wearers For Palin” T-shirt but confessed that she is only “about 70 percent” supportive of Palin.

    “The jury’s out on her for me because of her inexperience internationally,” Bobincheck said, citing concerns about international financial markets and concerns about Iran .

    But Bobincheck said whatever questions she has about Palin aren’t enough to sway her from voting for McCain. And she says she’s impressed with Palin overall.

    “She’s a dynamo,” Bobincheck said.

    Bonnie Cheney of Ocala also said she’s still forming her opinion of Palin.

    Her curiosity was strong enough that she and friend Jessica Holleman showed up more than two hours early to wait in line, each wearing pink and white buttons featuring the GOP elephant logo and the words “It’s a Girl.”

    Ray Fisher of Land-O-Lakes came four hours early with his wife and two sons. When Palin finished, Fisher said it was worth the wait.

    “Awesome speech,” said Fisher. He also attended McCain’s speech in Tampa on Tuesday, where the crowd was about 2,500.

    “I think the atmosphere was more enthusiastic” at The Villages, Fisher said. “There’s just so many more people here.”

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2008/09/21/0921palinflorida.html

  367. Godzilla says BO shouldn’t propose any plan until after the GE (when she hopes he’ll be CIC).
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    Basil: she is a bitter partisan clueless to the big picture mouthing the party line because they have no clue what to do. Treasonous to the end with respect to party and country alike.

    Nero.

  368. Palin’s Slams:

    At other times, Ms. Palin seemed to be framing the race between Mr. Obama and herself. On the issue of energy, she said of Mr. Obama, “Time and time and time again, he has sided with special interests and come out against solutions that would help Americans keep their homes and fuel up their tanks and pay their energy bills.”

    “And I think, well, maybe if he had been the governor of an energy-rich state, maybe then he’d get it,” she said, her voice rising.

    And on reform, she asked the audience, “Our opponent likes to point the finger of blame, but has he ever lifted a finger to help?”

    “Nooo!” the crowd shouted.

    “Has he ever reached out a reformer’s hand to the other side of the aisle?” she continued. “In order to get others to say ‘yes’ to change, has he ever told his own party no? When it comes to reform, he says, ‘I will,’ but has he ever been able to say, ‘I did’?”

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/palin-flies-solo-in-florida/
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    Obama has no sense of humor, he will focus on this or have his surrogates attack Palin.

  369. You GO Sarah!! I hope she keeps hitting that empty suit on his UTTER and TOTAL lack of ACCOMPLISHMENT of what he preaches.

  370. She seemed to think the strategy was brilliant.
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    Basil: are we talking about brazille? If so then ‘think”, “brilliant” and “brazille” are three words that do not belong in the same sentence. She is like a free radical.

  371. 60,000 people and 70,000 people at events? if this is true, it’s close to the stadium crowd at the vaunted BO acropolis speech.

    I’ve watched little TV, but I assume the MSM doesn’t share these numbers with the viewing public, nor have helicopter shots of the crowds.

  372. Wbboei, moon,
    Here’s the clip of Godzilla discussing the financial meltdown. perhaps I misinterpreted? Her portion starts at about 13:47.
    What she clearly said is that the democrats should not rush to rubber stamp any bailout.
    What I came away with is BO doesn’t want an agreement now coz it would hinder his administration by diverting almost a trillion dollars into a bailout package. The rest of the panel thought she was outta her mind.
    Anyway, here’s the clip. let me know what you think.
    abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5849844

  373. I pray Hillary won’t be his VP. I still will not vote for Obama. No way. No how. If it does come down to them asking her, I pray she’ll decline. Nothing would please me more.

    Hillary has to distance herself from that scumbag or she will be hurting herself in the long run. Time for her to turn her back on the party, just the way the party turned their backs on her.

    I’m ashamed to call myself a Democrat anymore.

  374. ctv,

    I thought so, too. 70,000 is an awfully big number. That’s what the article says but I wonder if it’s a typ-o.

    Wbbosi,
    You’re killing me. 😉

  375. Timer for charges to be filed against the DNC leadership Dean Brassass Pelosi and their fraudulent nominee the HUSTLER for election fixing and fraudulent manipulation of our precious system of voting.One vote oene person is still the law of the land.these traitors should be punished and sent off to prison where they belong.What will America look like if the HUSTLER pulls of this disgraceful nomination with the race card as our new national emblem.Stop him now and quickly or we will suffer dire consequences that will destroy all of the civil rights progress that have been made since MLK brought us all together and the best was still tocome.The HUSTLER must not prevail.

    By ABM90

  376. GO, JOHNNY MAC! John on 60 Minutes was asked who he would appoint as head of the SEC, since he said he would fire Cox. McCain shot back “Andrew Cuomo.” Cuomo is a DEMOCRAT, and has been a tiger on the corruption and collusion in the mortgage industry, as NY atty general. From Wiki:

    On November 7, 2007, as part of his probe into the mortgage industry as New York Attorney General Cuomo announced subpoenas for Freddie Mac (FRE) and Fannie Mae (FNM) requesting the companies retain an independent examiner to review mortgages and appraisals.[citation needed] Cuomo sued First American Corporation (FAF) and its eAppraiseIT unit for allegedly colluding with Washington Mutual to use a list of select appraisers to inflate mortgage appraisals.

  377. HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    GO, JOHNNY MAC! John on 60 Minutes was asked who he would appoint as head of the SEC, since he said he would fire Cox. McCain shot back “Andrew Cuomo.” Cuomo is a DEMOCRAT, and has been a tiger on the corruption and collusion in the mortgage industry, as NY atty general.
    ***************
    That will have the Wall Streeters shitting bricks.

  378. basil9 Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    Wbboei, moon,
    Here’s the clip of Godzilla discussing the financial meltdown. perhaps I misinterpreted? Her portion starts at about 13:47.
    What she clearly said is that the democrats should not rush to rubber stamp any bailout.
    What I came away with is BO doesn’t want an agreement now coz it would hinder his administration by diverting almost a trillion dollars into a bailout package. The rest of the panel thought she was outta her mind.
    Anyway, here’s the clip. let me know what you think.
    abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5849844

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    Brazile nut doesn’t want anything to interfere with the Global Poverty Act, which will send 850 billion dollars in foreign aid, mostly to Africa. That bill is a killer for the U.S. economy, and no one is talking about the impact that it will have on our country. It is wealth distribution, and we don’t even have health care for American citizens. The democrats that want to wait, Reid, Pelosi, Brazile nut, and others are putting our country and our people at risk, for their greed and promotion. I hope the Congress passes something soon, and not later. Waiting will just make things worse.

  379. Palin draws largest crowd yet for GOP

    Sarah Palin tonight attracted the largest crowd yet to any Republican campaign event this cycle, drawing tens of thousands of Floridians out in a conservative-leaning retirement community north of Orlando for a solo rally.

    Exactly how many voters Palin, making her first campaign trek to the Sunshine State, had in The Villages is uncertain.

    Mike Tucker, a local fire marshal, estimated 60,000. But reporters on the ground, including AP’s Brendan Farrington and my colleague Ken Vogel, would only say “tens of thousands,” suggesting the marshal’s estimate was on the high side. The St. Pete Times’s Adam Smith had another fire official in the crowd say it was about 25,000.

    Regardless, the size of the crowd underscores just how enthused conservatives are for Palin and the sort of buzz she’s still able to drive nearing a month after her introduction as John McCain’s running mate.

    Republicans can always draw good crowds out at the sprawling Villages — exactly a year ago I saw Fred Thompson thronged like a matinee idol there — but the Florida GOP is saying tonight that Palin’s crowd broke state attendance records. At the very least, it outpaced the 15,000 President Bush drew to the retirement community four years ago.

    To reiterate: An Alaska governor who was virtually unknown a month ago and is the number two on the presidential ticket may have doubled or tripled the crowd for a sitting president.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Palin_draws_largest_crowd_yet_for_GOP_.html?showall
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    It’s official Palin did in one day what it took the Obamacats 2 months and $100 million dollars have a stadium size rally in a Senior Citizen Retirement Community.

    70,000 was what the Fire marshall recorded must be true since Politico and left is pushing the 25,000 meme.

  380. birdgal,

    That was my first thought, too. BO thinks it’s more important to send a trillion bucks to Africa then invest in our country.
    The Global Poverty Act passed the House but as far as I know it hasn’t yet passed the senate. Anyone have different info?

    Carby,
    hehehehe. Yeah, we gotta double and triple politico’s numbers to get a semi-accurate figure. 👿

  381. seriously, Go John McCain…he’s definitely appealing to centrists and indies and Dems…wonder how his base would feel about Andrew Cuomo.

    re: 70,000 estimate of fire marshall – even if it was 25,000 people, that’s a huge crowed, huge.

  382. I remember way way back when there was talk about hiring a president, Obama, with absolutely no resume for the job. I see his “waiting” until after being elected (God forbid) as much of the same thing.

    It’s a pitiful joke!

  383. His “waiting” to announce anything, including his masterpiece of a plan to save the economy, is a total joke. He has no answers. All he has is “borrowed ideas” from the best…Hillary…McCain…etc…

  384. blog1.thejtandbearshow.com/2008/09/21/funny-video-obama-releases-his-patriot-plan-to-improve-american-economy.aspx

    Watvh this, you will just roll with laughter, I nearly wet myself.

  385. basil9

    You must have missed my first entry. I have been in Louisville KY, Ohio and Indiana for the past two weeks. There were few it any signs, including places I feel are O strongholds. I have a hard time believing the polls. Also my relatives and Friends brought it up with me, and the Dems are going for McCain. I was amazed.

    I know someone in the Villages, I will email to see what they think about the crowd size.

  386. mj, I agree

    I couldn’t believe she had the nerve to go down that road…so I’m glad the republcan spokeman stood up for McCain and warned the Dems not to attack Palin.

    But you know Obama and the Dems can’t help themselves.

  387. carbynew, that “Todd is the shadow governor” hit piece was discussed on RD blog. It is BLATANT sexism. The little woman couldn’t be doing that job all by herself, must be the man behind the scenes.

    Remember the same criticisms of Hillary? It was all Bill, and she was his puppet or something.

  388. The Hillary supporting woman quoted in that press article as saying she would have a hard time voting for a black president is PISSED, denying she ever said that, and demanding a retraction from the St Petersburg Times:

    faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/09/media-caught-fabricating-white-racists.html

  389. Here more photos from the FL event:

    btw: You know if this was Obama drawing 70,000 crowds the media would have been all over it. I think it’s going to be a slow roll out.

    blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/09/photos-palin-wo.html

  390. Media Caught Fabricating White Racists?

    by Barbara Sowell

    A quote attributed to Sandra Cichon, a private citizen, is spreading across the internet as a living example of White Racism. Did a reporter put words in this woman’s mouth?

    An article in the St. Petersberg Times, quotes Cichon as having said, “I can’t imagine having a black president . . .”

    In a phone interview Saturday, Sandra Cichon of Spring Hill, Florida denied that she ever spoke with any pollster or reporter concerning Obama or about anything regarding race. Cichon was taken by surprise when phoned by this reporter, and she was not aware that she had been quoted in any newspaper.

    The September 15, 2008 article Black ‘issue’ hangs over presidential polls by Adam Smith of the St. Petersburg Times Political states:

    A pollster calling Sandra Cichon, a 60-year-old Democrat from Spring Hill, would hear her identify herself as an undecided voter. But is she really?

    “I can’t imagine having a black president, and I think he’s inexperienced,” she told a reporter recently, eventually acknowledging she was leaning unenthusiastically toward McCain. “I don’t think we (Democrats) have a chance to be in the White House with Obama.”

    Many analysts wonder how many voters answering polls hide their racial biases or mislead survey-takers about their real preferences.

    The article fails to name the pollster who claimed to have called Cichon. When asked during my phone interview, Cichon denied speaking to any pollster on the phone.

    Cichon explained that the only time she spoke with a reporter was in August when she went to vote in the county commission races. She said that he (the reporter) seemed nice and she gave him a catalogue for gift baskets.

    Cichon is quoted in an August 27, 2008 article in the St. Petersburg Times, Russell, Mitchell, Hackworth win congressional primaries, by Rita Farlow, Stephanie Garry and John Frank, Times Staff Writers.

    Many Democratic voters said they were unimpressed with the quality of the candidates.

    “I don’t know one from the other,” said Sandra Cichon of Spring Hill.

    Sandra Cichon shows up in another August 27, 2008 St. Petersburg Times article Dismal voter turnout in Hernando by Barbara Behrendt and John Frank. Times staff writer, John Frank, was a reporter on both August 27th articles.

    Some Democratic voters said they found the experience largely unsatisfying based on the quality of congressional candidates on their ticket. . . .Sandra Cichon, 60, cast a ballot at Spring Hill United Church of Christ. She left disappointed because she couldn’t vote in the hotly contested commission races as a registered Democrat.

    “I wouldn’t even have come if I knew,” she said.

    In a phone call to Times Political Editor, Adam Smith, who authored the article in question, Smith said that he had the utmost confidence in the reporter, John Frank. Smith said that Frank was the reporter who actually spoke with Cichon. Smith said it is understandable that Cichon wouldn’t want to admit over the phone to making that statement, but “polls all over are showing that people are not hesitant in stating that they won’t vote for a black person.”

    The progressive DoubleTake is the blog for the Alliance of White Anti-Racists Everywhere – Los Angeles. AWARE-LA paraphrases the same September 15, 2008 article Black ‘issue’ hangs over presidential polls, by Adam C. Smith. But notice that something has been added to the Cichon quote.

    Later in the article Sandra Cichon, a 60-year-old Democrat from Spring Hill, who originally identified herself to a pollster as an undecided voter, recently told a reporter, “I can’t imagine having a black president, and I think he’s inexperienced.”

    Sandra then asked the reporter if she would like a fresh batch of “Obama Waffles.”

    Sandra Cichon was asked during my interview today (Saturday) if she had asked the reporter if he would like a fresh batch of “Obama Waffles” ?

    Cichon responded, “Why would I ask a reporter about waffles? This is crazy. I never spoke to any reporter about Obama. I’m going right down to the St. Petersburg Times and demand a retraction!

    Times Editor, Adam Smith was asked if he had heard that Cichon had offered the reporter “Obama Waffles?” Smith said he was not aware of that quote.

    faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/09/media-caught-fabricating-white-racists.html

  391. Sarah Palin’s Third Interview Will Be With Katie Couric On CBS

    ABC’s Charles Gibson interviewed Sarah Palin last week, Sean Hannity from Fox was supposed to interview Palin last night for tonight’s show but that has been delayed until later in the week and third up is Katie Couric for CBS.

    TV Newser reports Katie Couric from CBS will interview Alaska Governor and GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin in what will be the third scheduled interviews since it was announced that Palin was chosen as John McCain’s vice presidential running mate.

    The official announcement says the interview will take place Sunday, September 28th and Monday the 29th, conducted on the campaign trail.

    Announcement:

    Katie Couric will spend two days traveling on the campaign trail with Governor Sarah Palin on Sunday, September 28 and Monday, September 29, conducting an exclusive interview to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC beginning Monday (29). Coverage will continue on Tuesday, September 30 on THE EARLY SHOW and CBSNews.com. Coverage of Couric travels and interview with the Republican Vice Presidential nominee will include behind-the-scenes access and Palin with Senator McCain as they campaign in battleground states.

    The Orlando Sentinel TV Guy reports the interview scheduled for Palin with Sean Hannity of Fox News was postponed for a day due to storm damage from Ike in Cincinnati.

    The Hannity interview will be conducted Wednesday morning in Youngstown, Ohio and will air Wednesday and Thursday on Hannity & Colmes.

    sharpynews.com/politics/blog/blue-political-news/sarah-palins-third-interview-will-be-with-katie-couric-on-cbs/

  392. Emmy’s Sarah Palin Fixation
    September 21, 2008
    It took only five minutes for Republican VP nominee Sarah Palin to come up during the Primetime Emmys. And backstage it was no different.

    After explaining the shot he took at the five reality hosts’ opening non-monologue in his acceptance speech—“I thought we were being punk’d as an audience. I was confused, as I’m sure you were—best-supporting-actor-in-a-comedy winner Jeremy Piven was asked, “What’s the first thing that comes to mind when you hear the words ‘President Palin.’”

    “To tell you the truth, it’s the Bridge to Nowhere endless loop that comes to mind. And Matt Damon’s incredible comments about her… I wish he was here so he could help me out.”

    By Joel Topcik

    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/1380000138/post/1940033594.html
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    It’s amazing to me how the Obamcrats can’t stop attacking Palin on TV. Hollywood keep helping to sink Obama….I can’t believe how clueless these people are.

  393. OMG, the freaking emmy’s went after her? This guy approved of Damon’s hateful, pathetic comments? Lord, these people have no clue.

  394. In California,’Palin factor’ sparks fear among Dems, joy among GOP
    Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Sunday, September 21, 2008
    (09-21) 16:53 PDT —

    Post-convention swing state polls are tipping toward Sen. John McCain, the TV pundits are waxing about “The Palin Factor,” and Sen. Barack Obama’s California supporters are freaking out about a race Democrats were uncommonly confident about only a month ago.

    Conversely, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s addition to the GOP ticket jolted Northern California Republicans out of what one described as their “Underground Railroad” existence in one of the nation’s most liberal regions. Ever since her speech to the Republican National Convention on Sept. 3, party officials say volunteers have been contacting California GOP offices in numbers unseen since Ronald Reagan was on the ballot for the White House.

    Despite generating all this fear and enthusiasm, the Palin Factor hasn’t changed the race in California. Obama beats McCain 52 percent to 36 percent in a Field Poll released last week, and neither campaign is broadcasting ads in the state’s expensive television markets. On Thursday, Palin canceled her rally and fundraising visit to the state planned for this week.

    So Californians seeking to get involved in either campaign have options: pick up the phone, get on a plane, or hop in a car and contact a voter in a swing state that’s still in play. Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado are the closest swing states. Most of the Great Lakes states are still up for grabs, and Florida always beckons.

    Lizzy Gore was tired of preaching to the blue choir when she was living in Redwood City during the primaries this year and found the same unanimity when she moved to Rhode Island three months ago. So last week, she began an online campaign at thepoint.com where she started raising money for a newspaper ad that would argue that Palin would not be a good vice president. If the online effort raises $21,285, she will buy and place the ad in the Cincinnati Enquirer in swing state Ohio.

    “So we’re preaching to swing voters,” Gore said. “That’s the plan, anyway, to create an emotionally resonant message that convinces those folks that Sarah Palin is not who they think she is.”

    On the California section of Obama’s Web site, http://www.barackobama.com, there is an appeal for the “Drive for Change” program that reads: “As an Obama supporter in California, you can make a huge impact by traveling to Nevada to talk with voters about why Barack Obama and Joe Biden will bring the change we need.” The California Young Democrats are organizing weekly road trips across the border, too.

    Nationally, major players are starting to readjust their plans to the shifting electoral map. Last week, the liberal online giant MoveOn.org announced it would spend $5 million to $7 million on television advertising – double the amount the 4.2 million-member organization had expected to spend, executive director Eli Pariser said.

    “In August, we were at half of 2004 in terms of energy,” Pariser said. Four years ago, the organization raised $6.8 million in September; it already has raised $5 million this month. “In the last three weeks, we’ve seen this enormous surge in energy, driven both by, ‘Oh, there’s a real race here,’ and also by, frankly, the Palin pick.

    “That scared a lot of our members and got them off their chairs,” Pariser said.

    MoveOn’s advertising will be targeted at 22 states – swing states, plus what Pariser referred to as “a wish list” of traditionally red states where Obama might be competitive. Its more immediate goal is to register 500,000 under-30 voters before the Oct. 6 deadline in some states.

    But Republicans aren’t giving up on California. California Republican Party chief operating officer Bill Christiansen said some private polls put the two candidates within five points of each other, and the McCain campaign is staffing 50 offices throughout the state. Four years ago, the Bush-Cheney campaign barely had a presence in California, and spent little money. “But we are fully funded this time,” Christiansen said, declining to give a figure.

    The state GOP is making 125,000 voter contacts every weekend, “which blows the doors off of what we were doing four years ago,” said Christiansen. “Sarah Palin has put a shot of energy into this race.”

    Last week, the McCain campaign e-mailed supporters to say it was “looking for volunteers who are willing to spend the final 10 days of the campaign helping in a nearby state.” But at the San Mateo County branch of the McCain campaign, 300 people turned out last week for its volunteer kickoff event; the turnout was goosed by Palin, organizers said. Now the office is welcoming first-timer campaigners like Phil Lehman, a 63-year-old Foster City resident.

    His reason for volunteering: “Sarah.”

    “There’s a realness to her, a believability,” Lehman said. “I think she’s going to eat Joe Biden’s lunch at the (vice presidential) debate.”

    It will largely be up to volunteers like Lehman to spread the word in California and beyond. From Sept. 6-13, broadcast television viewers in Grand Rapids, Mich., saw 1,120 TV ads from either the Obama or McCain campaigns, according to the nonpartisan Wisconsin Advertising Project. That’s 1,120 more than viewers in San Francisco saw.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/21/MNPP130KA7.DTL&type=printable
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    Obama won’t win CA.

  395. mj,

    Did you read in the article that the private polls says there is a 5 points difference between the two?

    I’m telling you this as a Democrat….Obama support is soft here in SoCal. I live around Latinos, they are not talking about Obama at all, only my AA neighbors and friends which is about less then 1% here in the San Fernando Vly.

    Now maybe in liberal affuent white neighborhoods you might here talk but unless I go to Central LA to get my hair done that’s when I notice the Obama love and fever.

    What Democrats fail to understand is that Hillary Clinton won CA not Obama and Obama base is in Northern CA, while Hillary was down South.

    I’m not getting that Strong Obama Buzz in areas he need to win, I’m just not.

  396. The Emmys didn’t just go after Palin, they went after McCain as well…

    Colbert’s “prune gag” was a direct hit at MCain’s age and 8 more years of…

    Disgusting!

  397. Sarah Palin serves the people, not entrenched powers
    Sunday, September 21, 2008
    BY JENNIFER BECK

    It has been only 2 1/2 weeks since John McCain chose Sarah Palin to run for vice president. But what a 2 1/2 weeks it has been.

    I stood on the floor of the convention center in Minneapolis, watching with pride as she gave her acceptance speech, and the energy in the room was electrifying. That same jolt of energy has spread through New Jersey where voters are still abuzz about this ticket of mavericks.

    It now looks like the Garden State, with its 15 electoral votes, might be the state that puts the historic McCain-Palin ticket over the top. And this will be no acci dent. Palin is exactly what our country needs — a no-nonsense leader willing to cut taxes and spending and to take on en trenched political powers because it is the right thing to do.

    Maybe it’s her small-town values or because she’s a mother of five, but Palin seems to understand fundamentally something many other politicians do not: When times are tough, you cut back and learn to live within your means.

    In two years as governor, she cut Alaska’s spending by nearly a half-billion dollars. She also understands that in these difficult economic times, raising taxes would be disastrous to America’s economy. She supports McCain’s plan to cut the alternative minimum tax, double the tax credit for dependents and reduce business taxes from 35 percent to 25 percent and eliminate unnecessary pork projects from the budget.

    Contrast that with her vice presidential opponent, Joe Biden, who recently defended Barack Obama’s plan to raise taxes by say ing, “It’s time to be patriotic, time to jump in, time to be part of the deal …” Obama wants to raise taxes on income, capital gains and dividends and implement a new health care tax. And not just on “the rich.” In the Senate, he voted to raise taxes on Americans mak ing as little as $42,000.

    Palin understands that in New Jersey and many other places, people who are far from rich are already paying more than 50 percent of their income in taxes of all kinds. These people — who work hard, play by the rules and would like to keep a little bit more of their money — are unpatriotic? If paying higher taxes is patriotic, then New Jersey residents are Molly Pitcher, George Washington and Betsy Ross combined.

    We are the crossroads of the American Revolution and remain one of the most productive states in the union. But families from High Point to Cape May find the Garden State increasingly unaffordable. Obama’s tax plan will only exacerbate the tough choices our families must make.

    Wasteful spending is part of the problem. Jon Corzine, Obama’s key supporter in New Jersey, could learn a thing or two from Palin. She refused to provide state funds or use federal dollars for the “Bridge to Nowhere” and on Sept. 21, 2007, she killed the project (which Obama voted to fund). In fact, she vetoed nearly $268 million in government spending in 2007 alone. While his veto pen collects dust, Corzine has New Jersey residents funding a tunnel into New York City for which New York state is not contributing one penny.

    Palin is a shining example of ethical governance. She fought for reforms with a political courage rarely seen in Trenton and Washington, taking on the Republican Party chairman in her state for his unethical behavior and winning. She ran against and defeated the sitting governor whose “good old boys’ network” was more interested in helping friends and cro nies. When negotiating a deal for the construction of a natural gas pipeline in Alaska — at $40 billion, the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history — she took on the major oil companies that her predecessor had been so cozy with and won again.

    Like McCain, her career is proof of her commitment to principled governance that puts the interest of the people before self-interest and political interest.

    Obama, on the other hand, is a product of the Chicago political machine and has never taken on his party or entrenched interests on any issue of substance in his political career.

    As a state senator, I find it particularly troubling that Obama voted “present” on a number of major issues while he was a member of the Illinois Senate. Unwillingness to make tough decisions is not a trait we want in a president or vice president. We don’t have to worry about that with McCain and Palin.

    In her home state, Palin enjoys gubernatorial approval ratings in the stratosphere. Recent polls show she has a 75 percent approval rating among Democrats and an 86 percent approval rating among all residents. It is significant that the people who know her best know that she is working for all of them and not special interests, cronies or members of her own party. Accordingly, they overwhelmingly support her regardless of political affiliation.

    As a woman in politics who spends a great deal of time encouraging other women to get involved and run for office, I can’t help but feel a sense of pride that a woman could be the next vice president of the United States.

    But I don’t support Sarah Palin because she’s a woman; I support her because she stands for the same things I try to advocate in Trenton: low taxes, eliminating wasteful spending and taking on those that abuse the public trust

    http://www.nj.com/opinion/ledger/perspective/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1221971206151950.xml&coll=1

  398. Palin’s List of Foreign-Leader Meetings Expands
    By Juliet Eilperin
    The list of foreign leaders GOP vice president Sarah Palin will meet this week in New York just keeps getting longer.

    In addition to having private sessions with Afghan president Hamid Karzai and Colombian president Alvaro Uribe scheduled for Tuesday, the Alaska governor now has a more elaborate list of heads of state lined up for Wednesday.

    According to the campaign, she will meet Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili; Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko; Iraqi President Jalal Talabani; Pakistani President Asif Ali Zadari; and Indian Prime Minister Manhoman Singh in a single day.

    And Wednesday offers Palin a tete-a-tete with another category of globe trotter: she’ll also be meeting with U2 frontman Bono, whose work with the ONE Campaign has earned frequent plaudits from GOP presidential nominee John McCain on the campaign trail.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/21/palins_list_of_foreign-leader.html

  399. ageism, sexism, racism=3 isms of this election. Sickening. I bet, they didn’t mock or ridicule BO, did they? The more they try to cram this empty suit down our throats, the more I want McCain to win.

    CA, I just don’t know. Carby has been saying the same thing for months, so we’ll just have to see. I can’t imagine a campaign pouring so many resources into the state, if they didn’t have some numbers to back up the decision to be working the state. Prop 8 is on the ballot, so that may drive out more conservatives, which would be bad, if this one passed (Gay marriage amendment).

  400. The HUSTLER was on 60 Minutes and it was the usual I ME My and very little substance that would give him even a tiny bit of credibility as a viable candidate for any public office including that of a congressional Jester.What a crock of BS has been thrust upon us by the DNC and the MSM.The HUSTLER has no clothes,no experience and should be vetted before the GE.If he talks ,walks,acts,boasts,lies,makes promises,and believes in nothing then he must be a Community Organizer.Just another name for a wardheeling HUSTLER.

    By ABM90 We need Hillary more now than ever before

  401. Biden To Deliver “Major” Foreign Policy Address
    Posted by Ryan Corsaro

    (CBS)From CBS News’ Ryan Corsaro:

    (WILMINGTON, DEL.) – Joe Biden is set to hold what is being called a “major foreign policy speech” on Wednesday morning in Cincinnati, Ohio.

    On Tuesday, McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin, is set to meet with several world leaders, including Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in New York City. Kissinger endorsed McCain in December of 2007.

    No further information has been released on Biden’s speech. He travels to Baltimore on Monday to address the National Guard Association of the U.S. General Conference, followed by fundraising events in Washington, D.C.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/21/politics/fromtheroad/entry4464090.shtml
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    How is this going to help Obama since Biden been wrong on every foreign policy crisis?

    Remember his last one…Ghettorizing Iraq.

  402. birdgal,

    It’s getting so that most of the movie stars, important figures, etc…that I used to admire, I now shake my head at their poor judgement and insulting behavior.

  403. Yuba City Woman Remembers “Brush” with Sarah Palin
    Written for the web byPosted By: Cristi Jessee, Multimedia Journalist

    Sarah Palin, 1984-Photos attached

    YUBA CITY, CA – A Yuba City woman can say she’s cut and styled the hair of an history-making politician.

    It was 24 years ago in Wasilla, Alaska that a bright, driven, young woman walked into Diane Osborne’s salon and asked for sponsorship in an upcoming beauty pageant.

    Little did Osborne know young beauty queen Sarah Heath would one day be future vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

    “We started with general maintenance. We cut her hair and went through some different hair styles. We worked with her make-up,” Osborne said.

    Osborne, who gave up cutting hair years ago, has owned The Flower Petal’er on Clark Avenue in Yuba City for the past six years.

    It wasn’t until recently that Osborne thought of Sarah Heath. She was watching Palin’s acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention when, all of a sudden, something clicked.

    “I told my husband, ‘I know her!’ He said, ‘No you don’t.’ I said, ‘Yes, I do!’ Then they referred to her as Sarah Heath and I said, ‘That’s Sarah’,” Osborne said.

    Osborne then looked through some old pictures and found several of the two of them together. “To see how far she’s come from the little town of Wasilla excites me. She’s put Wasilla on the map,” Osborne said.

    Osborne grew close to Palin while sponsoring her through several beauty pageants, including Miss Wasilla and the Miss Alaska competition. Even then, Osborne said, Sarah was sweet yet driven and very easy to work with.

    “She was in the pageants to get the scholarship money. That’s why she was entering them. So I admired her then and I am happy for her,” Osborne said.

    Osborne said she and her husband were already planning to vote Republican in November — and her unexpected connection just solidifies her decision.

    “I felt very close to her at the time. You forget about people and when her name came up again, I thought, wow, how cool,” Osborne said.

    http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=48022&catid=49

  404. “When I see people crowing about her ‘acceptable’ speech last Wednesday … I literally want to vomit with rage,” a comment from Anibundel said.

    “I am shocked by the depths of my hatred for this woman,” another commenter, CJWeimar, wrote.

    These childish women making these statements need to save their rage for the atrocities occurring to women in Darfur, the bride burnings, the honor killings, female genital mutilation, trafficking of women and children, etc, etc, etc…..NOT for a speech made by a republican woman.

    (Sadly that list above could go on for another page)

  405. One thing we must remember about the polling it that they may have an index of how they want to make the calling. I am sure I am on it, as I am a voting Democrat. However, I am no longer picking up their phone calls. So what does this mean, if others are doing this also. It is definitally moving those phone calls to the Dems that will answer and vote their way.

    That really means that these polls are really risky at this point.

  406. carbynew Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm
    Yuba City Woman Remembers “Brush” with Sarah Palin
    Written for the web byPosted By: Cristi Jessee, Multimedia Journalist

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Nice story. 🙂

  407. A blog from a person who went to the Palin FL event…took alot of photos and great descriptions of what happened there.

    Yeah, It has a STADIUM CROWD. Folks were passing out like flies from the heat…150 had paramedic help

    pereiraville.com/scribble/index.php/2008/09/21/governor-sarah-palin-at-the-villages-fl/

  408. Obama August fund raising finally released..I guess they needed the extra three weeks to “cook” the books. $65 million another $35 million short-fall. They are closing shop in ND. The heat is really going to be on the Obama campaign for Sept., they start the month with less cash than McCain and McCain got a check for $84 million from the US govt.

    http: / / thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/in-august-obama-donations-shatter-records/

  409. WHERE IS A GOOD LIST, THAT WILL PRINT OUT ON ONE PAGE OF OBAMA’S ASSOCIATIONS, FLIP FLOPS ETC. AS IF IT COULD FIT ON ONE PAGE. I WANT TO MAKE A FLYER. THANKS.

  410. McKinney’s another wacko. I’ll never forget that ‘much-ado-about-a-hairdo’ stunt she pulled in DC when she got her panties in a wad coz a security guard didn’t recognize her and she insinuated it was racist
    =============

    Obama is a wacko who insinuates everything is racist. McKinney is wacko who can’t win. I’m planning to vote for her to show I’m not a Republican, unless McCain reallly needs all the votes in my state.

  411. Democrat State Rep’s Son Target In Palin Email Hacking

    By Rich Ord – Sun, 09/21/2008 – 11:36pm.

    FBI Serves Search Warrent On “Obamacrat” David Kernell

    It looks like a young enthusiastic Democrat got carried away in the hunt for Sarah Palin dirt.

    The Obama campaign and the Democratic party has hundreds of lawyers and others officially looking for dirt on Palin so its no wonder that David Kernell, the son of a Democrat politician thought he was duty bound to go the extra mile and break into Palin’s Yahoo account.

    Kernell is a University of Tennessee student and son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis. According to news reports in Tennessee FBI agents served a federal search warrant at the residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning just after midnight.

    The Terry Frank blog has pictures of Kernell’s Facebook page and contains some intriguing comments that there may be some connection with David Kernell and David Plouffe who is the campaign manager for Obama. David Kernell is a self described Obamacrat according to the blog.

    WebProNews previously wrote on the email breach here.

    http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/09/21/democrat-state-reps-son-target-in-palin-email-hacking

  412. Terry Frank Blog

    terryfrank.net/?p=3591

    But…if David Kernell is the young man responsible for the hack-attack, here are some screenshots of David Kernell’s facebook sent to me from some UT college students who don’t wish to be identified. Note, I edited the 2nd page by taking a new shot of the entire screenshot in order to avoid publishing his mobile phone number.

  413. I didn’t watch SNL so I was not aware that incest was the focus of the skit that AL FRANKEN wrote, and this man want to be a US Senator.:

    Saturday Night Live: Todd Palin Incest with Daughters

    exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2008/09/saturday-night-live-todd-palin-incest.html

  414. t4h, JMac was asked who he’d appoint SEC head, since he earlier said he’d fir the current one, Cox. He said he’d name Andrew Cuomo – NY’s atty general, a Democrat, who has been BIG on issuing subpoenas and looking into the Fannie/Freddie/mortgage brokers corruption. Cuomo tried to get to the bottom of it in 2007, and accused WaMu of deliberately making deals with appraisers to get Fanni and Freddie properties appraised ABOVE their true value, in order to inflate those sweetheart mortgage deals.

  415. Here Texan:

    # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    GO, JOHNNY MAC! John on 60 Minutes was asked who he would appoint as head of the SEC, since he said he would fire Cox. McCain shot back “Andrew Cuomo.” Cuomo is a DEMOCRAT, and has been a tiger on the corruption and collusion in the mortgage industry, as NY atty general. From Wiki:

    On November 7, 2007, as part of his probe into the mortgage industry as New York Attorney General Cuomo announced subpoenas for Freddie Mac (FRE) and Fannie Mae (FNM) requesting the companies retain an independent examiner to review mortgages and appraisals.[citation needed] Cuomo sued First American Corporation (FAF) and its eAppraiseIT unit for allegedly colluding with Washington Mutual to use a list of select appraisers to inflate mortgage appraisals.

  416. gonzotx Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    WHERE IS A GOOD LIST, THAT WILL PRINT OUT ON ONE PAGE OF OBAMA’S ASSOCIATIONS, FLIP FLOPS ETC. AS IF IT COULD FIT ON ONE PAGE. I WANT TO MAKE A FLYER. THANKS.
    ———————————————–
    gonzo texas: here is a partial list of reversals where he switched from populist in the primary to pro big business in the general election. Feel free to use this if you like-no pride of authorship. The reason this is relevant is because he is now trying to position himself as a friend of mainstreet, even though he is in fact a shill of wall street. Put differently, with friends like Barack who needs enemies?
    ———————————————
    H. Big Business Shill: whether the issue is his failure to help poor tenants freezing in a Chicago slum in his district, the watering down of legislation to protect people from the nuclear hazard (Exelon), the reversal of his promise to review the impact of NAFTA on the American people (which his surrogate privately retracted before the Canadian government), his reversal on Campaign Finance Reform (which would have reduced the leverage of Big Business over elections), his reversal on FISA (which would have protected the civil liberties against corporate governmental eavesdropping), his support for billion dollar tax subsidies for Big Oil (who are gouging the public) or his recent legislative initiative to send nearly a trillion dollars to Africa (when we need that money here at home) the answer is always the same: when there is a conflict of interest between Big Business and Americans he consistently comes down on the side of business. From a business perspective the formula is this: find yourself a politician like Barack who has political power and no discernable core values to constrain him. Present your proposal, identify the political path, make him look good and contribute to his campaign. That is fine for the businessman, fine for Barack, but where does it leave the American People in a Global Economy?

  417. H4T —

    I’m not sure what my problem is but when I read the speech you posted about McC/Udall/Hillary — 3 very decent people — I burst into tears and haven’t stopped. It didn’t help that just as I started to pull myself together, the Emmys showed In Memoriam and I knew several of the people who left us.

    Speaking of the Emmys, Laura Linney accepted her award for John Adams, and said something like she was proud to live where ‘community organizers’ produced this country. Ms Linney, you made our point!

    Those ‘community organizers’ won a war, wrote a constitution, persuaded men to sign it, and the people to support it. O did what? Organized what?
    Oh..he ended corruption in chicag……..nope. He brought low-cost housing to his neighbourho….not exactly. Not for long anyway. Well, he…….what in God’s name did he do? Got any records, O?

    O has been compared to Jesus and God and now the founding fathers! Nonsense!

  418. The Terry Frank blog has pictures of Kernell’s Facebook page and contains some intriguing comments that there may be some connection with David Kernell and David Plouffe who is the campaign manager for Obama. David Kernell is a self described Obamacrat according to the blog.
    ———————————————
    Good! Then we can find room for him in the Obama wing of the penetentiary, and he can see psychiatrists to his heart’s content.

  419. Sarah Palin 70,000 rally in FL
    ——————————————
    and no rock concern immediatley prior thereto.

  420. I pray Hillary won’t be his VP. I still will not vote for Obama. No way. No how. If it does come down to them asking her, I pray she’ll decline. Nothing would please me more.

    Hillary has to distance herself from that scumbag or she will be hurting herself in the long run. Time for her to turn her back on the party, just the way the party turned their backs on her.
    ———————————————-
    I agree 100! But that leads to a more difficult question: would you still be unalterably opposed to her accepting the vp positon if:

    1. the economic problem is not just serious, not even severe, but catastrophic in nature, and-

    2. you did not believe he or mccain could solve the problem, and-

    3. a failure to address that problem would have devastating consequences on people, and-

    4. you believed you could address those problems in a highly effective manner and thus avoid or mitigate those consequences, and-

    5. you are able to negotiate broad, pleanary powers as vice president with a reliable dispute resolution mechanism, and –

    6. you believed as she does that: “to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to make it count”.

    7. if she decided to accept for those reasons would you support her?

    I have no inside information, but I was thinking about that question today myself because sooner or later it could come to that. And then again it might not.

  421. As to what Obama did as ‘community organizer’, see
    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/09/obamasalinskys-community-organizing-about-power-many-articles/

    “Rub raw the sores of discontent” … “It’s about power” … “Get rid of any do-gooders in your group”….

  422. Whatever the crisis is or will be, I expect Hillary would have more power as a Senator than as Obama’s VP. Whatever Obama might negotiate with her, remember Obama can’t be trusted, Obama can’t be trusted.

    If Obama wanted to promise her some special power, he could appoint her to something special and temporary without her having to give up her day job.

  423. JanH Says:

    September 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    birdgal,

    It’s getting so that most of the movie stars, important figures, etc…that I used to admire, I now shake my head at their poor judgement and insulting behavior.

    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    What do you expect, their world is MAKE BELEIVE, and FANTASY LAND.

  424. VERY interesting.

    Proof of the connection between the Palin smear campaign and Axelrod.

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

    Carby,
    Thanks for the links to the Palin pics. Can’t find any others online.

  425. Something to start the day:

    Someone has discovered that anti-Palin smears being posted on YouTube are connected to Axelrods PR firm. If true, this is a violation of law. Since the discovery was made public (just yesterday), the videos have suddenly been removed. It’s a very interesting read and the author has evidence to back up what he has found and how he traced the person posting the smears to Winner & Associates. The article is dated Sept. 22. I see it being mentioned in different places so this might be all over the internet today.

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

  426. THe candidates as I see them:

    The Hustler—Admits nothing
    Explains nothing
    Takes money
    Spends money
    Makes money
    Knows nothing
    Blames others

    Biden —– Talks Talks Talks
    Smiles Smiles Smiles
    On and on and on
    Looks worried

    McCain Hero
    Old
    Bold
    Cold

    Palin —– Busy Mom
    Talks talks Talks
    Not ready for Prime Time

    THEN THERE WAS ONE WAITING IN THE WINGS

    HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    Experienced Serious Honest Compassionate Smart and a astonishing command of the issues and dangers facing this country.Ready NOW and has the votes and delegates to prove that she is the peoples choice for CIC.Return her stolen votes and delegates that the DNC and its criminal treasonous leaders stole from her and blatantly gave them to the Hustler.Time to scrape off the scabs of the fix that took place and nominate Hillary to the office that she won by being the peoples choice.

    “IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE”

    BY ABM90

  427. More on the axelrod-smear connection from jeremiah at NQ.
    Just gonna copy his post.

    OBAMA CAMPAIGN BUSTED TRYING TO ASTROTURF SMEARS AGAINST PALIN THROUGH A PR FIRM VIA FAKE CONCERNED CITIZEN VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE WHILE KEEPING THEIR HANDS CLEAN TO THE PUBLIC!!
    .VIDEOS DELETED AND ACCOUNTS FOR ESWINNER CLOSED WITHIN 2 HOURS OF STORY BREAKING – IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!!!
    .
    .COVER UP C REW WORKING OVERTIME!!!

    BREAKING STORY PART 1
    minx.cc/?post=273935

    THE INVESTIGATION THAT BLEW THE LID OFF THE RATS!!
    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

    BREAKING STORY PART 2: THE RAPID LATE NIGHT COVER UP
    minx.cc/?post=273939

    READ IT AND WEEP PEOPLE!

    THIS IS DISGUSTING!

  428. Here is a condensed version of the astroturf incident.

    michellemalkin.com/2008/09/22/bloggers-sniff-out-anti-palin-astroturf-campaign-and-the-cover-up-begins/

  429. 😳 ‘I meant to include this excerpt.

    “The blogosphere is doing the job the MSM thinks no one else can do.

    A collaborative investigative effort by our friends at The Jawa Report to expose an apparently astroturfed, anti-Sarah Palin smear campaign seems to have caused late-night panic in Barack Obama-linked p.r. circles. The bloggers digging into the provenance of anti-Sarah Palin smears on the web got results last night/early this morning while most elite journalists were still in their pajamas sleeping.

    First, read this. Read the whole thing. Rusty Shackleford — with help from Jane of Armies of Liberation, Stable Hand, the Jawa team, Dan Riehl, Ace of Spades, and Patterico – traced a Palin-bashing YouTube video to a Democrat public relations firm, Winner and Associates, and one of its employees, Ethan S. Winner. They believe the voiceover for the ad — which spreads the lie that Sarah Palin belonged to a fringe third party, the Alaska Independence Party — was done by a professional whose voice they believe was also featured in several Obama ads and other spots produced by Obama top strategist and astroturfer extraordinaire David Axelrod’s firm.

  430. 😳

    Jet Blue terminal found 2 toy grenade paperweights. That’s what prompted the evacuation. Guess everyone’s on pins ‘needles coz of all the foreign dignitaries in NYC today.

  431. h4t,

    sorry. i shoulda waited to post but with ahmadinijad at the UN it caught my attention.

    btw,
    did you check the axelrod smear connection posted at 8:03?

    what do you think?

  432. If we are so hungry for change, why is every incumbent doing well unless they have been indicted or are already in jail?

  433. basil it seems it was most definitely an astroturfing operation by a Dem-linked PR firm, which is deceptive and ugly. But the connection to Axelrod is tenuous.

  434. I cannot find the McCain/Udall/Hillary stuff referred to earlier on this blog. Can someone refer me to the time that the original information was given?

    Udall is running in my state, so I am interested in what has been said on the blog.

    Thanks.

  435. I pray Hillary won’t be his VP. I still will not vote for Obama. No way. No how. If it does come down to them asking her, I pray she’ll decline. Nothing would please me more.

    Hillary has to distance herself from that scumbag or she will be hurting herself in the long run. Time for her to turn her back on the party, just the way the party turned their backs on her.
    ———————————————-
    I agree 100! But that leads to a more difficult question: would you still be unalterably opposed to her accepting the vp positon if:

    1. the economic problem is not just serious, not even severe, but catastrophic in nature, and-

    2. you did not believe he or mccain could solve the problem, and-

    3. a failure to address that problem would have devastating consequences on people, and-

    ——–
    Well, yes, because she will have power in the senate to solve the problem. Congress is going to have to agree to whatever plan it is the president comes up with, and VPs really have no power other than as a tie breaker. i think she will be more effective in the Senate. Besides that do you really think he would even listen to any plan she might have. Is ego is so huge I don’t think he would even listen, even if she was right. He will make sure she knows her place. At least I think so, correct me if my facts are wrong on that. I really don’t think she will accept unless she is somehow coerced into it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t approached probably Bill in that big meeting they had about it. And I bet they turned him down. He treated her dirty, and wouldn’t she rather spend 4 years saying I told you so and then running in 2012. There was a very interesting on the Hillary angle in an article on The Weekly standard about Hillary’s angle. Its on page 2, point number 3, the article was actually about Palin, but this excerpt was good into what she might be doing. I particularly like the part about her and Bill voting for J.M. in the privacy of the voting booth. And don’t forget her and John McCain are good friends, if she has a plan and calls him about it as pres I’m sure he would listen.

    That article:

    “3. Hillary’s Angle. As fate had it, the phone finally rang at three in the morning chez Hillary Clinton, and this time, it was a true crisis: It was Barack Obama, begging her to save his rear end. Having beaten her in a long, angry battle, in which she and her friends thought his behavior and that of his friends had been sexist, after having broadcast the fact that she wasn’t even on his medium list for vice president, he is now asking her without the title to take on the role of de facto vice president, i.e, head attack dog in dispatching the woman who now has stolen her chance to make history. As Amy Holmes put it on CNN’s website, “In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked.” That sound you hear–along with a small snort from Hillary–is the weight of power in the Democratic scale sliding back to the side of the Clintons. After he made a point of stressing how little she matters, he now seems to need her more than ever. And she, of course, does not need him……” Read the rest at http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/591xzuuj.asp?pg=2

  436. This is what America has come to.Take your pick you fools.

    THE HUSTLER- Admits nothing-Explains nothing-Knows Nothing

    J. Biden – Talks-Smiles-Talks-Smiles-Talk Smiles-On and On-
    On and On -What did He Say?

    J.McCain- Hero-Old-Bold-Cold

    S.Palin Busy Mom-Busy State Govener-Talks a lot but not
    ready for prime Time

    Just look at who is ready able and capable.Experienced battle ready and the smartest of them all HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
    You do have a choice America and it better had be HRC.Our lives our treasures and our country depends on on her.The worst choice would be THE HUSTLER and his entourage of rich and greedy backers.

    BY ABM90

    S.Palin Busy Mom-Talks a lot about ALASKA-Not ready for

  437. Hillaryfortexas 6:58 p.m.

    I found it and it was not my Udall, but I really enjoyed the information. Another example of Character that McCain has that O simple does not.

    Thanks for posting it. I am going to forward that to a few friends.

  438. McCain just KICKED ASS in Scranton, PA.

    McCain is hitting hard on this bailout plan. Urges congress to look at it very closely. Says it will put unprecedented power in the hands of one person (Paulson), and he is VERY UNCOMFORTABLE with that. He does not think trillions in taxpayer money should be handed out with no oversight guarantees, and we are not being given oversight guarantees. Wants the focus to be on re-working mortgages and keeping people in their homes, NOT on Wall Street.

    Says when we are talking about something of this magnitude, “Trust me” is simply not good enough. We need guarantees.
    He wants a bi-partisan commission, and wants all the particulars posted online – calls for transparency.

    Also, McCain re: immigration and his hard work and stand on those votes

    Senator Kennedy took votes that were not popular, and I took votes that were not popular. Senator Obama took a hike.

  439. MJ : Hillary is an option if The Hustler is found to be inelegible for many as yet not disclosed reasons.She is the only other Dem candidate for president.Biden does not factor in.He was appointed byy The Hustler.Hillary is still classified as having put her campaign on hold and still has a chance and it may not be as remote as some voters think Wbbeoi,correct me if I am wrong.

    By ABM90

  440. Hard-Hitting McCain Ad Links Obama to Chicago Political ‘Machine’

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/22/hard-hitting-mccain-ad-links-obama-to-chicago-political-machine/

  441. re: Axelrod Astroturf and the smear-machine against Palin, I wrote this to a friend re: how it connects to us and why we have a knee-jerk reaction to it:

    a bunch of us Clinton supporters were always wondering how the rumor mill about Clinton and the Clinton Derangement Syndrome which was so prevalent amongst Republicans went so viral amongst liberal bloggers…it seemed that a whole generation of people who were too young to remember the Clinton administration suddenly hated the Clintons as much as Republicans old enough to cheer on White Water and the Clinton impeachment.

  442. this Hillary as VP stuff stinks like Axelrod’s astroturf…it’s a trial balloon for whatever reason…

    this stuff fascinates me – recently someone on another blog started to see the Mr. Rogers was a Navy Seal false rumor which according to an urban legend site surfaces every few years, and I thought how quickly will this get around to the point where my next dinner with a friend, they’ll be telling me the story that Mr. Rogers was a Navy Seal…

  443. wbboei Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 3:10 am
    I pray Hillary won’t be his VP. I still will not vote for Obama. No way. No how. If it does come down to them asking her, I pray she’ll decline. Nothing would please me more.
    &&&&&

    Are these rumors growing more rampant? (about Hillary replacing Biden as veep).

    Yeah, I don’t want Our Gal anywhere near that train wreck.

    “You broke it, you bought it”, Mr. Obama.

  444. Mom is positive about Down syndrome boys’ future
    09/22/2008, 10:25 am
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    By Antonio Young
    ayoung@daily-journal.com
    815-937-3385

    A little over five years ago, a doctor asked Beth Schafer — who was then pregnant with her twins, William and Landon– if she wanted to be screened for Down syndrome.

    Children born to women over age 35 are at a significantly higher risk for having the condition in which extra genetic material causes delays in the way a child develops, both mentally and physically.

    But without hesitation, Schafer — who was 36 at the time — chose not to undergo the diagnostic test, Chorionic villus sampling (CVS).

    “It didn’t make a difference to me. I wasn’t going to do anything different if they had Down syndrome,” said Schafer, now 42.

    William and Landon were diagnosed with Down syndrome, which has caused mental retardation, speech and language difficulties and physical abnormalities.

    But Schafer said she “can’t help but be positive,” about her sons’ futures.

    She became even more hopeful last month, when Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — who delivered a son with Down syndrome last April — vowed to be “a friend and advocate” for families with disabled children.

    Various media have reported that Palin is grateful for her son Trig, even though she knew early on in her pregnancy that he would be born with special challenges.

    Right after his birth, Palin issued a statement that said: “We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed.”

    Like Palin, Schafer and her husband, Dean, consider William and Landon “gifts from God” despite their disabilities.

    http://www.daily-journal.com/archives/dj/display.php?id=427811

  445. mj Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
    Well, it is about time someone mentioned Obama is a puppet for Daley.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Let’s just come right out and say: McCain has run a smart campaign. Granted, it has experienced some less than stellar patches.

    But the Repubs do love a good knife fight.

    The Dems response is, “I’m telling my mommy on you.”

  446. That’s right, rgb.

    Guys, Obama can’t dump Biden. If he does, he immediately loses the election, his weakness will show like a bald spot. This is just a silly rumor. Besides, Bill Clinton just said on the View that Hill didn’t want to be VP.

  447. If we are lucky enough and Obama loses, then the odds are that his hitmen & hitwomen are going to cry race…er…wolf.

    They have turned deaf, dumb, and blind to anyone who tells them straight out that it has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the candidate’s zero leadership skills and experience. It has everything to do with his multitude of corrupt ties.

    I honestly hope someone out there cuts this garbage off at the knees.

  448. It’s too late for Hillary to save the day. The only thing that will happen now is that Obama will move up his cheating, lying, stealing, blaming and plagarizing in order to have his way.

    What is so defeating is that on scandal alone, just one that has his name all over it would normally fell any presidential candidate. Because of the insanity and worshipping of this false idol, and because of the media manipulating the news in his favor, it’s almost like he is the teflon man.

    We need someone to ride in on a horse and save the day!

  449. Just got an email from a friend that said they had received the Hillary replacing Biden as VP 4 times in the last 48 hours.

  450. I find it very interesting that people on this blog still think Obama will change his mind and dumb Biden for Hillary….It ain’t gonna happen.

    Obama does this time and time again float this idea that he and Hillary are great friends and will use her agendas or on his team. She is not!

    She is bait for Obama’s goal to win the White House. The activists that is supporting Obama do not want Hillary anywhere near power, they don’t trust her but will use her to unity the party and win in November.

    So this wishing and hoping that Hillary will save the day is useless because the DNC and the Democratic? Taliban Party says this party is Obama and not the Clintons.

    Bill and Hillary Clinton are loyal Democrats. Hillary is a sitting Democratic Senator so she is doing what she has to do to stay a team player while protecting herself in the new enviroment. Until those in Leadership are removed…like Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and others she has to do what she has to do follow orders.

    My goal is to stop Obama…period.

    I like McCain and Palin and don’t like or trust Obama. It’s that simple for me. Hillary is not a factor in this election anymore…the Dems swiftboated her and selected Obama. That’s the fact and Obama is not going to change, this is who he is…the way he runs his campaign is the way he will run this country.

  451. Big Dawg on the view just gave his “permission” to vote for McCain, though in a very subtle way.

    The question was about former Hillary supporters voting for McCain because of the Palin pick, and they worded it to try to get him to say either we didn’t exist, or we were silly wimminz voting on gender. Big Dawg shot that right down, and spoke of RESPECT for voters choices.

    Bill basically said that calling people stupid or uninformed for whatever way they vote is wrong. You have to respect the voter, and he used the candidate X candidate Y reference again.

    He said that the reasons why people vote for one candidate or another are complicated, and you cannot make it only about this interest or that interest. A voter may like one candidate on 4 issues, and the other candidate on only one issue, but maybe THAT issue is more important to them.

    He refused the bait, and said that people have reasons for voting the way they do.

  452. Well this is intersting

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/22/2008-09-22_poll_barack_obama_could_lose_six_percent.html

    Poll: Barack Obama could lose six percentage points on election day for being black

    Six percentage points is the price Barack Obama could pay on election day for being black.

    That disturbing calculation was found in a groundbreaking new Associated Press-Yahoo News poll conducted with Stanford University which probes the effect of the Democratic presidential candidate’s race on his historic campaign for the White House.

    “There’s a penalty for prejudice, and it’s not trivial,” Stanford University political scientist Paul Sniderman told the AP.

  453. McCain just KICKED ASS in Scranton, PA.

    McCain is hitting hard on this bailout plan. Urges congress to look at it very closely. Says it will put unprecedented power in the hands of one person (Paulson), and he is VERY UNCOMFORTABLE with that. He does not think trillions in taxpayer money should be handed out with no oversight guarantees, and we are not being given oversight guarantees. Wants the focus to be on re-working mortgages and keeping people in their homes, NOT on Wall Street.
    *****************************************************
    I saw his speech…McCain was great and the crowd was very receptive to him.

    What I didn’t know was that this is a Democratic Group who for the first time invited a Republican to speak there.

    I wasn’t sure but did the group endorse McCain too?

  454. NM, that rumor is bunk. They keep pushing it SOLELY to keep some Hill supporters on the fence and undecided, “waiting to see”, so as to PROP UP Obama’s poll numbers.

  455. sigh…and just how many percentage points does he lose for being corrupt?

    This is just going to enrage those who are shoving the race card down our throats.

  456. Well, I just watched BC on that idiotic show, the View. But the women were guarded and did not dare pull any punches on the master politician. He gave it to them at every question, smooth and sophisticated as usual (it is a pleasure to watch him): He said Hillary did not want to be VP but would have said yes if he had asked her (see how sophisticated it is!) and he also said she can promote more of her agenda being a senator; he said Hillary went on to win the popular vote but the superdelegates chose otherwise; he said sexism was more subconscious and therefore, more insidious (than racism); he said the economic crisis was the work of both parties; he said they should adopt Hillary’s solution of trying to save the people as well (I think HOLC?); he said they can’t just make up negative things just because they don’t want to vote for a candidate or that everyone should have the freedom to vote their choice without others passing judgment, people vote on their emotion and faulting them for it does not get anyone anywhere; he praised McCain whole heartedly; he said Obama will win because the current conditions promote such change (not because Obama is a winning candidate!); he also said he would be surprised if he did not win and if anybody on the republican side can win, it is McCain; he promoted McCain equally when they try to put him on the spot about who will win (LoL.. that is my
    Bill!); he said both are ready to be presidents and people should choose whomever they want (wow, what a ringing endorsement for Obama!).

    A must watch interview even if we have to suffer those other fools. BC is on Letterman tonight, on Greta tomorrow night and Larry King on Wednesday.

    I think McCain should adopt Hillary’s HOLC before this other idiot steals it.

  457. carbynew & mj

    I agree whole heartedly. This email from from a Rep friend. I think they are trying to shake them up.

    carbynew, I feel the same, that Hillary is doing what she is doing to be there after the collaspse. She is not a factor at this point. Fear tactics is what it is.

    I don’t forward that stuff on, but it is important to know how this is running like fire through the internet.

  458. Ohio voters warn Obama on gun control
    Posted Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:03am AEST

    US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama faces a tough battle in Ohio, where pro-second amendment voters fear their rights are being threatened. (Reuters: Jim Young, file photo)

    Audio: Ohio gun trade strong despite US economic upheaval (AM) The US state of Ohio has predicted the outcome of nearly every presidential election in the last century.

    And with just 44 days until the election, Ohio remains the ultimate bellwether when it comes to American politics.

    Opinion polls show the race in Ohio is very close, with some putting Republican John McCain in the lead and others showing Democrat Barack Obama out in front.

    The economy is the number one issue with voters in Ohio, but some businesses are still doing a roaring trade, despite the financial upheaval buffeting much of the nation.

    At a gun store and indoor shooting range in the central Ohio town of Lancaster, business is brisk.

    Wes Disney has been working at the gun store and shooting range for five years and says it can accommodate a large number of shooters.

    “Weekends, it pretty well smokes, we have 21 lanes to shoot on,” he said.

    It costs $10 for unlimited time, but you have to buy your own ammunition.

    If you do not have your own gun, you can rent one.

    Sharon Waller has been trying out her new Ruger pistol; it is tiny, just 10 centimetres long.

    “I just wanted something small that I could carry in my purse,” she said.

    “I believe it was $299, I guess that’s what they cost.”

    Ms Waller’s fiance is buying the pistol for her.

    She has already got her concealed carry permit but before the purchase is finalised, the gun store runs a background check with the FBI.

    At another counter, salesman Tim White is showing customer Chris Krannitz a weapon that is much bigger and much more expensive.

    “This is the semi-automatic version of the P-90, it guards the President, the secret service uses it, that’s the semi-automatic version of it,” Mr White explained.

    Mr Krannitz says he has been saving for a while so he can afford the $1,900 weapon.

    It does not take long to realise the customers nor the staff are fans of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    Mr Disney says middle Americans are typically freedom-loving people who take their constitutional rights seriously, and Senator Obama is a threat to those rights.

    “Mr Obama is a threat to the second amendment and he’s a threat to many things in terms of how we run our lives,” he said.

    People like Mr Disney have not forgotten that Senator Obama once said that when times are hard people cling to guns and religion.

    So it is probably no surprise that nobody either on the shooting range or in the gun store is an Obama supporter.

    One man browsing the store was wearing a t-shirt with a photo of both Senator Obama and Osama Bin Laden on it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/22/2370488.htm

  459. Riverdauther blog has a GREAT post up on that phony “racism” poll.

    Didja know that the “gap” in white women is almost EXACTLY the gap that Bush beat Kerry by in 2004 among white women? White women rejected Kerry by the SAME MARGIN that they are rejecting BO. So, was Kerry black? Or could it be that latte elitists in general DO NOT ADDRESS the concerns of white women?

  460. mj, looking at this, he seems to be already doing it, right? Also I read somewhere McCain talked to both Clintons about the economic situation, can’t remember where.

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    HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am

    McCain just KICKED ASS in Scranton, PA.

    McCain is hitting hard on this bailout plan. Urges congress to look at it very closely. Says it will put unprecedented power in the hands of one person (Paulson), and he is VERY UNCOMFORTABLE with that. He does not think trillions in taxpayer money should be handed out with no oversight guarantees, and we are not being given oversight guarantees. Wants the focus to be on re-working mortgages and keeping people in their homes, NOT on Wall Street.

  461. I love Big Dawg!

    on a wholly different note, I wonder if karma is coming back against the republicans – they were on such a witch-hunt of Hillary, creating so many false rumors…and then, during the primary, they grudgingly grew respect for her because she challenged every stereotype they had of her…and now, their own, Sarah Palin, is being skewered by unfair, vicious lies…and the Republicans are getting to understand the very subconscious sexism that drove them against Hillary and now have to defend against it.

  462. She can’t object to it. Once you put a plan out in public, you can’t say no, don’t agree with me. Besides, Bill said either candidate will have to support it.

  463. Just got an email from Bill Clinton’s foundation about the meeting in NYC from all of the International Leaders. That is the one that Palin is attending if I am not mistaken.

  464. The problem I have with the Democrats is their wanting to expand government instead of getting our econonic house in order first. That Aid package that the house past for Africa and other Obama spending packages is obscene to me at this time.

    I’m a fical conservative and have been concern for a long time about out of control spending. So when the dems campain on pay as you go I was very happy to see so return to getting our fiscal house in order.

    But I don’t see that same spirit coming out of Obama, in fact he has been very silent on his positions except to raise taxes and expand spending.

    I do not assume Hillary Clinton ecnonomic plan will be adopted, for one she wanted to reign in senior executives compensation packages and have more shareholder rights, raise taxes for jobs going overseas and cut those for jobs created here….all things not popular on Wall Street.

    Obama did not have any of this in his plan…so when you tracked the money Obama got 5x campaign funds from Wall street, Fannie & Freddie, Hedge Funds, etc…those are the people who support Obama.

  465. Anyone know if Admin is OK? It’s unusual not to hear from him/her for this long, isn’t it? Just concerned.

  466. Some of it…the commission Obama called a “gimmick” before he was for it. But the HOLC is all Hillary and it’s the centerpiece that holds the rest together.

  467. Well, I see McCain supporting Hillary’s plan as tantamount of the dems saying then why not vote for a Dem. It’s a no-win situation.

  468. Illinois Underground Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    Anyone know if Admin is OK? It’s unusual not to hear from him/her for this long, isn’t it? Just concerned.

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    Maybe, he/she is catching up on some needed sleep, or trying to digest all of the current events.

  469. Poll of rural voters has mostly good news for John McCain
    10:30 AM Mon, Sep 22, 2008 Robert T. Garrett

    A new poll of rural voters in battleground states shows John McCain with a 10 point lead over Barack Obama. McCain leads 51-41, has nearly caught up with Obama as a good manager of the economy and has tied his Democratic rival as a change agent. Also, the poll shows McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is popular with rural voters.

    The survey was conducted Sept. 16-18 in 13 swing states, such as New Mexico, Colorado and Missouri. If it contains any bad news for McCain, it’s that he may lag George W. Bush’s 2004 performance in rural areas. That’s not for sure, though.

    At this time four years ago, Republican pollster Bill Greener and Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg — who’ve been taking the survey for the Center for Rural Strategies in Whitesburg, Ky. — found Bush with a 13-point lead over John Kerry among rural voters. That survey tested fewer likely voters (536) and had a larger margin of error (plus or minus 4.4 percent) than this month’s (742 likely voters and plus or minus 3.6 percent, respectively). On Election Day four years ago, Bush won rural voters nationwide by 20 points. Who knows if McCain can meet that mark.

    trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/poll-of-rural-voters-has-mostl.html

  470. JanH, you’re right. I don’t know if something like HOLC is already included in what McCain proposed (which was before Hillary, I think). But here is a blurb from his PA speech today (posted at NQ) which indicates at least that is one of his priorities:
    On Friday, I laid out my plan for addressing this crisis. At its heart, my plan is about keeping people in their homes and safeguarding the life savings of all Americans by protecting our financial system and capital markets. These are my priorities.

  471. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    Big Dawg on the view just gave his “permission” to vote for McCain, though in a very subtle way.

    The question was about former Hillary supporters voting for McCain because of the Palin pick, and they worded it to try to get him to say either we didn’t exist, or we were silly wimminz voting on gender. Big Dawg shot that right down, and spoke of RESPECT for voters choices.

    Bill basically said that calling people stupid or uninformed for whatever way they vote is wrong. You have to respect the voter, and he used the candidate X candidate Y reference again.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    That is the difference between the Big Dawga and The Little Yapping Chiuaua from Chicago.

    Bill recognizes that people like, LOVE, being *asked*for their vote, especially when it is backed up with some solid nuts and bolts proposals.

    Obama incites his crowd to “argue with people and get in their face”. Wow. Is that the suckiest political advice ever given in the history of the world? Instead of convincing voters, he threatens them.

    Voters response to such mistreatment? F*** off!!

    And that, my friends, is why Bill was a two termer, and Obama will only ever see the White House as a tourist.

  472. The Democratic Party Leadership (a misnomer if there ever was one) is 100% responsible for this debacle of a nominee. By now they must know that Bambi is not mentally stable. We know that here on this blog because ADMIN has provided us with the best opposition research and analysis in the business. By now party leaders must be seeing it too up close and personal.

    As Mary Matlin predicted in March, these benighted leaders created a messiahic monster, who cannot connect with ordinary people and now they are stuck with. That convention and the rbc meeting that preceded it was the worst piece of Kabuki theater known to man–more like a bad three stooges movie–and we know who they are. No wonder McCain is competitive in a year which heavily favored democrats.

    They were prepared to lose the Oval Office in order to get Bambi the Presidency–if they could hold on to Congress. They knew they could work with McCain. And they thought they could control Bambi–at least that was the caluculation. They never fully reckoned with the grotesque ambition and delusion of Teddy Kennedy whose plan was to run the country through this guy, and even though he will not be around to do that he still believes he will be back in the Senate in January for one more Camelot. I have described the role of Soros elsewhere and you can believe it or not.

    That was fine in March but now these cynical calculations have been superceded now by current events. They look at the big monster (this financial crisis and what misfortunes it may bring) and then they look at the little monster they created– Bambi and they look at the public which is an ugly mood at the moment and they say to themselves holy shit did we ever fuck up– and we can try to put the terd in bush’s pocket for creating the problem they will ultilmately blame the Democratic Party for not fixing it.

    I think that is a reasonably accurate description of why they are trying to rope Hillary in for the good of the country. But it is a trap unless she is in charge. Titles matter far less than political power and that would need to be spelled out in haec verba with an enforcement mechanism. But this is all suppostion and conjecture on my part. I am reacting to what I am seeing–not inside knowlege. I know nothing more than you do.

    If you want the latest scuttlebut it is that Biden has a stomach aneurism, will do the October 2 debated and step down on October 5. I am told that last night on the tv Emmey Awards some delusional little maggot bot put up at Tim Russert interview clip where Hillary denied she would run for President. That these maggots would be so delusional as to fail to realize that we are now beyond that point merely serves to illustrate the practical impossiblility of Hillary going on the ticket-except to save the country.

    I understand that Russert could not get into Hell because it was overcrowded with bots. Therefore they have sent him to a place that looks like Antactica with subfreezing temperatures, howling winds, and ice flows far as the eye can see. He has been reincarnated as an obese obtuse Emperor Penguin. Someone asked him whether he liked it there and he said it was fine because when you are on a bender you dont have to go very far for ice. Better yet we do not have to listen to his awkward bumbling gotcha interviews.

  473. Illinois Underground Says:

    September 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    Anyone know if Admin is OK? It’s unusual not to hear from him/her for this long, isn’t it? Just concerned.

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    Maybe, he/she is catching up on some needed sleep, or trying to digest all of the current events.

    ________________________________________________________________________________________

    I was wondering the same thing.

    Admin where are you?

  474. HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am

    McCain is hitting hard on this bailout plan. Urges congress to look at it very closely. Says it will put unprecedented power in the hands of one person (Paulson), and he is VERY UNCOMFORTABLE with that. He does not think trillions in taxpayer money should be handed out with no oversight guarantees, and we are not being given oversight guarantees. Wants the focus to be on re-working mortgages and keeping people in their homes, NOT on Wall Street.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Go, Johnny, Go.

    To think that in 2008, regarding the economy, that the Repub would be running as the outsider (and quite frankly, his history of fighting his own party at times gives him some real wiggle room) and hemming in the Democrat borders on the bizarre.

    I would have to think that all that EXPERIENCE that John McCain has accrued throughout the years is paying off.

    And that Obama never really having fought a real campaign before is starkly revealing his inexperience. But my God, with all those advisors that good money from sucker donors can buy, wouldn’t you think they would be performing only say, only half as badly as they are?

  475. Thanks, Bird and Neetabug. Hope all is well with our guide. It’s hard not to wonder when the citadel seemingly is on fire all around us.