John McCain vs. Barack Obama On The Financial Crisis

Update: Hillary Clinton knows what to do. Hillary has a plan. Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight.

Also, now that Joe Biden has equated paying higher taxes with patriotism, what should Americans make of Barack Obama saying on the Bill O’Reilly show: Look, I don’t like paying taxes. What, you think I like writing a check?
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McCain is ahead is electoral votes according to Real Clear Politics (216 to 212 with 110 tossups). McCain is ahead in electoral votes according to a pro-Obama electoral vote website (a winning 274 for McCain, 243 for Obama). Big Media however tries to create the impression that Obama is winning.

According to Big Media John McCain is running a negative campaign and Obama is running a high minded campaign. However, several studies say quite the opposite. 77% of the Obama campaigns’ ads were deemed “negative,” compared to 56% for McCain.

According to Big Media McCain/Palin are stumbling and bumbling on economic issues. According to Big Media Obama/Biden are doing well on economic issues. But today it was Joe Biden who stumbled when he equated paying higher taxes with patriotism. “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.” We’ll give Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt and presume he does not mean that destitute or poor Americans are therefore less patriotic than wealthy tax-payers.

McCain is calling for heads to roll. Chopping off heads usually gets the attention of bureaucrats and hired policy makers.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain, in remarks prepared for delivery Thursday, said he thought Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be dismissed.

“The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the president and has betrayed the public’s trust,” he was planning to say in Iowa, according to a text released in advance of the speech by his campaign. “If I were President today, I would fire him.”

In a speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sen. McCain said the SEC allowed abusive short-selling, or bearish bets on a company’s stock, to turn “our markets into a casino.”

McCain also called for for creation of a new agency modeled after the Resolution Trust Corp. that handled the fallout from the savings and loan crisis. He said the new agency would be called the Mortgage and Financial Institutions Trust.

McCain also pointed out some unpleasant facts about Obama:

Senator Obama talks a tough game on the financial markets but the facts tell a different story. He took more money from Fannie and Freddie than any Senator but the Democratic chairman of the committee that regulates them. He put Fannie Mae’s CEO who helped create this disaster in charge of finding his Vice President. Fannie’s former General Counsel is a senior advisor to his campaign. Whose side do you think he is on? When I pushed legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Senator Obama was silent. He didn’t lift a hand to avert this crisis. While the leaders of Fannie and Freddie were lining the pockets of his campaign, they were sowing the seeds of the financial crisis we see today and enriching themselves with millions of dollars in payments. That’s not change, that’s what’s broken in Washington. [snip]

Senator Obama has never made the kind tough reform we need today. His idea of reform is what his party leaders in Congress order him to do. We tried for bipartisan ethics reform and he walked away from it because his bosses didn’t want real change. I know how to make the change that Senator Obama and this Congress is afraid of. I’ve fought both parties to shake up up Washington and I’m going to do it as President.

Those same Congressional leaders who give Senator Obama his marching orders are now saying that this mess isn’t their fault and they aren’t going to take any action on this crisis until after the election. Senator Obama’s own advisers are saying that crisis will benefit him politically. My friends, that is the kind of me-first, country-second politics that are broken in Washington. My opponent sees an economic crisis as a political opportunity instead of a time to lead. Senator Obama isn’t change, he’s part of the problem with Washington.

When AIG was bailed out, I didn’t like it, but I understood it needed to be done to protect hard working Americans with insurance policies and annuities. Senator Obama didn’t take a position. On the biggest issue of the day, he didn’t know what to think. He may not realize it, but you don’t get to vote present as President of the United States.

While Senator Obama and Congressional leaders don’t know what to think about the current crisis, we know what their plans are for the economy. Today Senator Obama’s running mate said that raising taxes is patriotic. Raising taxes in a tough economy isn’t patriotic. It’s not a badge of honor. It’s just dumb policy. The billions in tax increases that Senator Obama is proposing would kill even more jobs during tough economic times. I’m not going to let that happen.

Earlier this week McCain spoke at a Michigan GM plant.

I’m here to send a message to Washington and to Wall Street. We’re not going to leave the workers here in Michigan hung out to dry while we give billions in taxpayers dollars to Wall Street. We’re going to take care of the workers. The workers. They’re the ones that deserve our help.

It’s time to get our auto industry back on its feet. And it’s time for a new generation of cars and for loans to build the facilities to make them. These workers here are the best in the world. They’re the best and most productive and most innovative and the finest and.are the backbone and foundation of our economy. And anybody that tells you they aren’t hasn’t had the opportunity to know them and their product like I have.

One of our great presidents, Franklin Roosevelt, expressed this optimism even at the
height of the great depression. He said and I quote, “Plenty is at our doorstop but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply.”

My friends, that’s true again today. I reject the gloom and doom that says our nation is in decline. America’s best days are ahead of us. We’re going to fight the special interests and corruption in Washington.

I have a record of doing that. I’ve taken on my own party, I’ve taken on the Democrats, the Republicans and the corrupt special interests in Washington. I’ve done it. I’ve done it against a guy named Abramoff. I did it when we reached across the aisle and did campaign finance reform and take the big checks out of Washington. I’ve done it time after time. I’ve taken on the big conglomerates in the defense industry when I took on a scandal in Boeing that ended up with people in federal prison. I know how to reform Washington.

We’re gonna fight, we’re gonna fight the greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street and we’re gonna create prosperity for our people and now’s the time to grow the economy and my plan does that.

Sen. Obama’s does not. He has said in recent days that he may delay his economic plan because of the adverse impact of his tax increase. Even Sen. Obama admits that the agenda he’s been pushing would hurt our economy not help it. That’s exactly the wrong approach I’m going to create jobs and get our economy back on its feet.. I’m going to lead our nation…it’s not your problem, fault. I’ll tell you whose fault it is. Corruption in Washington and corruption on Wall Street and as president I’m gonna clean it up and I’m going to fix it.and return you back to the strength of our economy that you have earned and deserve.

Obama is now trashing McCain because according to Obama the SEC chairman cannot be fired. The Supreme Court disagrees with Obama. Obama appears to be on the side of the incompetent SEC Chairman Christopher Cox. Putting legal cases aside, does Obama really believe that if a President demands the resignation of an SEC Chairman that chairman would not eventually be forced to resign?

And the Dimocrats, where are they?

The U.S. Congress is unlikely to pass new legislation to overhaul financial regulations this year because “no one knows what to do,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today.

“We are in new territory, this is a different game,” Reid said at a briefing in Washington. Neither Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke nor Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson “know what to do but they are trying to come up with ideas,” Reid said.

Hillary supporters tired of the unqualified, inexperienced, race-baiting, gay-bashing, woman-hating, Obama – know what to do.

American voters also know what to do: NObama, NOvember.

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  1. Hillary Clinton knows what to do and she can be trusted to do it.

    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

    September 18, 2008

    Senator Clinton Calls for Immediate Action to Halt Market Crisis

    Assails Bush Administration for Ignoring Warnings as Crisis Built

    Proposes Bold Steps to Restore Confidence in Market

    Click here for video

    WASHINGTON, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today called for swift and strong action to stem the growing credit crisis on Wall Street. Assailing the Bush Administration for ignoring repeated warnings of the growing crisis and failing to provide adequate oversight of an increasingly complicated market, Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight.

    “This is the greatest market upheaval since the Great Depression. We are indeed in a crisis, but in times of crisis, there are opportunities for leadership,” Senator Clinton said.

    Leadership in the face of crisis has been woefully lacking from the Bush Administration, Senator Clinton said. The White House ignored both warnings of the growing crisis and proposals from Senator Clinton and others to step in before it grew out of control.

    “What we have seen over the course of the last eight years is an administration that refused to recognize the threats lurking in our economy,” Senator Clinton said. “They dismissed my concerns and the concerns of millions of Americans even as the storm clouds gathered. My proposals, as well as those of others, were greeted as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little too late.”

    Senator Clinton expressed serious concern about the effects of the market crisis on New Yorkers, including the many homeowners fighting foreclosure and the tens of thousands whose livelihoods depend on Wall Street.

    In response, Senator Clinton outlined a series of proposals to address the crisis:

    Create a new entity to buy up and quarantine toxic mortgage securities that are dragging down the markets which would allow the markets to stabilize. Last spring Senator Clinton was among the first to call for a new entity modeled after the successful Depression-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) or the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) created after the Savings and Loan crisis.

    Place a temporary moratorium on the most abusive stock transactions, many of which involve the “short-selling” of stocks. Yesterday, Senator Clinton wrote to the Securities and Exchange Commission urging such a moratorium, saying it would provide breathing room for the markets to recover, for investors to make accurate assessments of companies and for regulators to assess what trading practices should be permanently banned.

    Convene an emergency economic summit to show the American people their government is working together. Bringing together leaders in the administration and Congress with lenders, consumer advocates, non profits, financial institutions, and all stakeholders will allow a coordinated response to the crisis.

    Aggressively pursue and encourage mortgage modifications. Senator Clinton has introduced legislation to remove barriers to mortgage modification and to encourage lenders to voluntarily work with borrowers to keep them current on payments and in their homes.

    Restore competent federal oversight of the increasingly complicated financial markets. The rapid evolution of the securities and banking industry overwhelmed the current regulatory framework, resulting in a “shadow banking system” that operates outside of oversight and without accountability.

    Require transparency and accountability on executive pay. Senator Clinton has proposed the Corporate Executive Compensation Accountability and Transparency Act to impose new transparency rules on executive pay, end the accounting techniques that hide compensation, and provide shareholders a say in executive compensation packages.

    Ensure the accountability of financial institutions borrowing money from the Federal Reserve’s new lending facilities. Taxpayers deserve to know that the companies they are bailing out are on the road to recovery and aren’t throwing more good money after bad.

    Senator Clinton urged the administration and the Congress to move quickly to adopt these proposals and prevent the crisis from worsening.

    “Time is of the essence. Any delay could be ruinous for both financial institutions and confidence in our markets,” Senator Clinton said.

    The transcript of Senator Clinton’s remarks follows.

  2. Admin> great post. John is a great American. He is saying what needs to be said at this point. At the same time he is showing us why obama is not the answer–not even close.

  3. Excerpts from Palin’s Interview With Hannity — Part IIGOV. SARAH PALIN TELLS FOX NEWS CHANNEL’S SEAN HANNITY
    SHE ‘DIDN’T MEAN TO HURT HIS [OBAMA’S] FEELINGS’ WITH HER RNC SPEECH

    Palin Says: She ‘Respects’ Clinton and That ‘She Has Shown A Lot Of Determination’

    In the second and final part of the two-part interview with FOX News Channel’s “Hannity & Colmes”, airing at 9PM, Governor Sarah Palin talks about her feelings on Obama and Clinton, responds to the Troopergate scandal, discusses her son’s choice to go to Iraq, and how she feels about the attacks against her made by various groups.

    *Mandatory Credit: FOX News Channel’s “Hannity & Colmes”

    On offending Senator Obama with her Republican National Convention speech:
    “I certainly didn’t mean to hurt his feelings. Didn’t mean to offend any community organizers, either.”

    “I do have respect for those who have chosen public service. And what I was doing though, certainly, should be obvious, was directing a comment to him as he had taken a shot at small mayors across the nation.”

    On the Troopergate scandal:
    “I asked the personnel board even in the state of Alaska, if they had questions about why it was that I exercised my responsibility in replacing our commissioner. I asked the personnel board, that appropriate board, to oversee such actions, to come investigate.”

    “This trooper tasered my nephew…that was…it’s all on the record. It’s all there. His threats against the first family, the threat against my dad. All that is in the record. And if the opposition researchers chooses to forget that side of the story, they’re not doing their job.”

    On the criticism she receives from the media:
    “I was telling a couple of our campaign people the other day. I said, you see this? You think this is just baby fat, right, from having Trig four months ago. No, it’s some thick skin in there also.”

    On the criticism she receives from women’s groups:
    “And certainly I would love to have their support, but I’m not going to change my positions in order to get some of these groups and some in the media to try to woo them over. Don’t have time to do that. We’re moving forward on a ticket of reform.”

    On her respect for Hillary Clinton:
    “I think Senator Clinton had shown a lot of determination and stick-to-itiveness in her campaigns and I have to respect that. I don’t have to agree with all that she tried to push through and parts of her agenda. In fact, I don’t agree with all of it.”

    “There are some things that Hillary Clinton did that nobody can take away from her. And that is the 18 million cracks that she put there in that highest and hardest glass ceiling in America’s political scene. She was able to affect that and I respect that.”

    On her upcoming debate with Joe Biden:
    “Senator Biden has tremendous amount of experience. I think he was first elected when I was like in second grade. He’s been in there a long, long, long time. So he’s got the experience. He probably has the sound bites. He has the rhetoric. He knows what’s expected of him. He is a great debater, also. So yes, it’s going to be quite a task in front of me.”

    On her son going to Iraq:
    “Well, as a mom, you know, he’s heading to Iraq, taking a fifth of my heart with him, you know. And I’m just so extremely proud of him. He’s independent and he’s strong and he’s serving for the right reasons. I’m just as proud of every man and woman in uniform serving our country and trying to usher in democratic values to the rest of the world, protecting our freedoms.”

    On her policy of Iraq:
    “Retreat is not an option. Retreat is defeat in Iraq. Al Qaeda, they’re acknowledging even, along with General Petraeus, that Iraq is the central front on the war on terror and the violent Islamic extremists who hate America would love that stronghold to be built in Iraq.”

    “If we were to lose there, we’re not going to be any better off when we fight in Afghanistan either, nor the other areas where terrorist cells are growing across our world.”

    On her view of the Bush Doctrine:
    “I see our role in the world as one of being a force for good and one of being the leader of the world when it comes to the values that — it seems that just humankind embraces the values that encompass life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And that’s not just in America, that is in our world.”

  4. Harry Reid needs to call Hillary. Someone does. Jeez. Is she the only one out there with a plan? Everyone else is acting like chicken little, “The sky is falling, the sky is falling,” and they are running around in circles, or sticking their heads in the sand, trying to ignore the situation, until it is convenient for them? I am so sick of the dimocrats and their inadequacy. It stinks like an old fish rolled up in a newspaper.

  5. Can we have Hillary back now, PLEASE? Once again our gal is right on top of EXACTLY what needs to be done, pronto.

    Harry Reid needs to shut his useless “Uh…uh…we dunno” trap and hand the microphone to her.

  6. Of course, Hillary would be the one to come up with a plan. We all know the kind of leader she is and how she rises to the occasion in a crisis.

  7. Well done, Admin!

    So Hillary continues to act presidential while Obama continues to act like a child who wants his candy and he wants it now!

  8. Here are two interesting pieces:

    Obama the Master Plagiarist
    http: / / noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/18/obama-the-master-plagiarist/#more-4895

    Did Bill Ayers Write Obama’s “Dreams”?
    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

    The second article give a possible explanation for how someone, who seems to have written nothing before or since, and can barely speak in a complete sentence writes a book that is published.

  9. it is encouraging news that McCain would fire the chairman of the FEC, I just wish he could fire Bush and Cheney too.

  10. Well, Palin apparently says she doesn’t agree with any of the things Hill was for in the primary though she respects her stick-to-it-iveness. What a stupid thing to say. The American people were with Hill’s agenda.

  11. This is getting ridiculous. I place the blame squarely on Clinton’s team.
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    The organizers of an anti-Iran rally Monday rescinded their invitation to Alaska Governor Sarah Palin after Democrats protested that her presence would turn the event into a political rally, McCain campaign and Jewish community sources said.

    The Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations created a political tempest by inviting Palin to speak without clearing her invitation with another speaker, Senator Hillary Clinton. Clinton promptly dropped out of the event, saying it would be seen as unduly political. The McCain campaign then pressed Senator Barack Obama to join Palin on the stage in a show of unity against Iran.

    The Obama campaign in turn offered to send Congressman Robert Wexler of Florida to the event, but the appearance that the non-partisan group was aligning with the Republican ticket put the group and its president, Malcolm Hoenlein, under heavy pressure from Jewish Democrats, including members of the conference and members of Congress, not to give Palin a platform, sources said. Hoenlein told the McCain campaign that he would have to rescind Palin’s invitation or cancel the rally.

    The organizers, I’m told, have formally disinvited all elected and political officials, but the move was about Palin.

  12. hotair.com/archives/2008/09/18/pop-quiz-guess-the-presidential-adviser/

    Pop Quiz: Guess the Presidential Adviser
    posted at 12:00 pm on September 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

    Good article
    Guess Who

  13. kostner,

    You must be a mind reader or maybe you have inside information that the Clinton team is at fault here?

    I wish Hillary had decided to attend and I made that point yesterday when the information was first posted. However, not even I know what is behind this. I’m more likely to think pressure from the Obama camp than anything else, even if they do refute that.

  14. hi
    im alive. hurricane ike did a real number here inhouston. im at the y for a bit online finally. no power for over 1.5 mil in houston now. major natl disaster. chertoff here. port not operating. exxon refinary closed still. it will get hot again next week and lots of us ar very concerned-many elederly no ac. mayor and energy co trying to get up all the power before this happens. hpefully i can post again later today. very tired.

  15. This needs to get out. Obama gives his thugs marching orders:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics

    In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

  16. admin Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    the absurdity of this is that it is the undecideds that will determine this race. If they get in their face and argue with them…BHO will lose.

    What an idiot. They don’t get it… when they kept pushing us we fought back and turned from them…this is a method that does not work.

    Too, is he inciting agression??? This is not good.

  17. Admin: after reading that entire article, it was very biased towards BO, and did not mention any of his lobbyist ties.

  18. OBAMA NOW MORE CONSISTENT??

    admin Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.
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    We keep saying that O-man flip flops and keeps changing his position.

    But at least he has stayed true to form in one area: He has always put his FAITH in the HOPE that KNEE-CAP BARE KNUCKLES POLITICS is the best means for bringing about CHANGE.

  19. Did anyone see Bill’s speech about the economy? Apparently he laid out hill’s plan, said she has the best plan for the economy. Not a word about Obama.

  20. admin said at the top:
    McCain is ahead in electoral votes according to a pro-Obama electoral vote website (a winning 274 for McCain, 243 for Obama).

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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    Looking at the map shows some interesting developments, which don’t bode well for the Man who stole the Nomination:

    WA / OR: so close?? These were supposed to be “Obama states”. I guess they’re not holding caucuses.

    PA: dead even. “Told ya so”.

    OH / IN: JM leads: Duh.

    Great Lakes states MN, WI, MI: small Obama leads (1%, 2%, 3% respectively). The first two should be an embarrassment to Obama & Cabal. Michigan? Ummm…told ya so.

    FL JM +4. Ha, ha.

    Light blue: IL / NJ both +6 for BHO. small enough to be light blue.
    Did I say NJ, reliable Dem state?
    Did I say IL, Obama’s own state? Maybe they know something, that they’d like to share with the rest of the class.

    CO JM +1. This was going to be one of the states Obama would steal, eh?

    NY BO +12. This should be much higher for the winner* of the Democratic nomination. It looks like that asterisk carries some risk.

    McCain close leads in MO (+5) and LA (+7).

    Funniest Stat? DC:
    82% BO
    13% JM

    DC’s population is extremely AA, and supposedly 90% are pro-O. 13% supporting McCain. Kewl.

  21. I heard on Fox Palin has canceled two rallies in CA in the next week or so, the McCain rep would not say why. CA residents, what do you know?

  22. pm: I don’t know. The event in the Bay Area had to be moved to a larger venue, because so many people had RSVP; at least 900. The one scheduled for Orange County in Southern CA, was supposed to be fairly large. I wonder, if it is because the polls are poor? Or maybe, there is just some other reason.

  23. mj Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    Well, Palin apparently says she doesn’t agree with any of the things Hill was for in the primary though she respects her stick-to-it-iveness. What a stupid thing to say. The American people were with Hill’s agenda.
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    I don’t have a problem with it.

    Hillary came out first and said she congratulate Palin for her achievement but she does not agree with any positions Palin stand for…that’s why SNL made those comments…it was based on comments Hillary said.

  24. The important thing, is that Palin and Clinton have been respectful of one another, even if they don’t agree on policies. That is more than most people have been doing.

    Greta is very good, and she has always been respectful of the people that she interviews.

  25. birdgal Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
    Harry Reid needs to call Hillary. Someone does. Jeez. Is she the only one out there with a plan? Everyone else is acting like chicken little, “The sky is falling, the sky is falling,” and they are running around in circles, or sticking their heads in the sand, trying to ignore the situation, until it is convenient for them? I am so sick of the dimocrats and their inadequacy. It stinks like an old fish rolled up in a newspaper.
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    I hate to say this but McCain came out with his plan before Hillary, Hillary plan gave credibility to McCain saying: “Fire SEC Chairman and have a RTC type trust for Financial Institutions and pro=actively work with those corporations.

    Bill Clinton speech was done to calm and stabilize the markets…..Obama did nothing and is useless.

    Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are pathetic!

  26. Oh the hacker is leading back to the dems, A prominent supporter of Barack Obama and his son are suspects. Apparently the isp was routed through Chicago but the trail has led to……….

    tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/NEWS02/80918081

    The son of Democratic state Rep. Mike Kernell (Member of Ten. for Obama) has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.

    Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin’s personal email account.

    The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.

    David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.

    Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son’s whereabouts and whether he was in custody.

  27. Well If these male politicians would stay home and raise their kids none of this would happen. Would it.

    Sorry couldnt resist that one.

  28. Carby says:I hate to say this but McCain came out with his plan before Hillary, Hillary plan gave credibility to McCain saying: “Fire SEC Chairman and have a RTC type trust for Financial Institutions and pro=actively work with those corporations.

    Bill Clinton speech was done to calm and stabilize the markets…..Obama did nothing and is useless.

    Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are pathetic!

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    At least someone did it. You’re right, McCain was first, but Hillary did lend credence to what he said, and she gave her plan on the Senate floor (right?). Reid and Pelosi are worthless. Reid just threw up his hands, and said this was new territory. Was he trying to scare the markets and the citizens? Amazing, he was going to dismiss the Senate? I hope, this is not going to happen.

  29. I’ll say this again, the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY has been disgraceful in how they have handle this financial crisis….Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had to be drag kicking and screaming to pass some kind of Energy bill on oil drilling in the US by the Republicans camping out in the darken halls of Congress.

    How is this benefiting “We the People” when our elective officials would rather continue the distribution of wealth over to people who hate us? And then say that drilling is bad over here but okay over in the middle east?

    We needed to do this 10-5-2 years ago but special interest was placed ahead of the good of the country, once again.

    I BLAME BOTH PARTIES!!!

    Yes, there are a few who work across party lines and ideologies to get things done for the people. One is Hillary Clinton, the other is John McCain….Obama work for himself and if you don’t believe that….remember the ROLL CALL at the Democrats Convention and who got Speeches-Obama’s cronies from Chicago but those Hillary Clinton supporters got nada. Obama did not reach across his own party and you still think he will reach across to the Republicans?

    Only those republicans who are already in his pocket…Chuck Hagel and Chaffee and it look like Chris Cox too.

  30. Obama’s instructions to the Obama-bot army today: “I want you to argue with [opponents] and get in their face.”

    …if that directive doesn’t perfectly summarize what’s wrong with Obama, nothing does!

  31. This is turning into open season on dem politicians, its sleaze abound folks. All this is seriously going to start hurting downticket votes. Even though its his son, it will reflect badly on him.

    Florida (Dem) Congressman’s Son Arrested as Alleged ‘Coyote’

    Florida Rep. Allen Boyd’s son was arrested in Arizona Sunday and charged with human smuggling after K-9 dogs allegedly sniffed out individuals hiding in the bed of his truck.

    John F. Boyd attempted to drive through a Border Patrol security check in Willcox, court documents revealed, according to KVOA-TV in Phoenix. Five illegal aliens, including a 6-year-old girl, were found in the truck.

    The criminal complaint obtained by KVOA states, “At the primary inspection area, a Border Patrol K-9 alerted to the possible presence of illegal aliens in the bed of the truck. A primary inspection agent approached the truck and saw an individual hiding under a piece of plywood in the bed of the truck.”

    The documents also say the illegal immigrants planned to pay $3,000 each to Boyd to smuggle them into the final destination in the United States.

    The vehicle contained “two plastic bags that contained several rocks of crystal methamphetamine, four unopened syringes, a spoon with white residue and burn marks on the bottom, and three knives. A further search of the vehicle revealed a Beretta 22LR pistol loaded with eight rounds of ammunition and a spare magazine loaded with eight rounds of ammunition in a suitcase in the bed of the truck,” read documents cited by KVOA.

    In a statement sent to FOXNews.com, the Democratic congressman acknowledged that his son attended a preliminary hearing on Monday and was charged with “alien smuggling.”

    “This is a family matter that my family and I will be dealing with privately. John is a grown man and must face the consequences for his actions, but he has the love and support of his family,” Boyd said.

    Boyd’s office told FOXNews.com that he would not provide further comment.

  32. Jesus Obama is teaching House Dems to vote “Present” I’m actually not pleased about this, it sets a bad precedent. this has to be nipped in the bud, they voted present for fucks sake.

    thehill.com/leading-the-news/dems-shoot-down-gop-attempt-to-punish-rangel-2008-09-18.html

    Dems shoot down GOP attempt to punish Rangel

    Democrats shot down a second GOP attempt in as many months to punish Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) for a series of alleged ethics violations.

    Democrats easily tabled a motion House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) offered that was aimed at forcing Rangel to give up his chairmanship of the powerful Ways and Means Committee while the ethics committee investigates the charges. It also would have ordered the ethics committee to establish an investigative subcommittee to look into the matter. The motion went down, 226-176, with only the five Democrats on the ethics panel voting “present” and eight Democrats not voting.

  33. exactly what does “present”, it means a cop out, i dont want to take a stand or i’m here but not voting, Obviously Obama has taught them a thing or two. Sorry guys I’m mad we have a pig of a congress that refuses to do anything about the economy, will not investigate itself and is now voting fucking “present”.

  34. This is turning into open season on dem politicians, its sleaze abound folks. All this is seriously going to start hurting downticket votes. Even though its his son, it will reflect badly on him.

    Florida (Dem) Congressman’s Son Arrested as Alleged ‘Coyote’
    *****************************************************
    GOOD!

    Now maybe those IDIOTS will get off the Palin kids and focus on the issues. This “Holier and thou” coming from the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY and their surrogates was “HYPOCRISY in ACTION.”

    Also hacking Gov. Palin personal email account was over the line and I do think TEAM Obama hand is all over this because his surrogates on TV had the same talking points about how Gawker was not in trouble for publishing the stolen emails because their might be news worthy event like doing state business on personal email crap.

    This is Obama M.O. to dig up any dirt he can find by going through emails, legal papers, medical reports…whatever. His Team will go into to the gutter and lay there.

  35. moononpluto Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
    Well If these male politicians would stay home and raise their kids none of this would happen. Would it.

    Sorry couldnt resist that one.

    ———————————————————————

    LOL!!!!
    You really made my day with that statement. Don’t be sorry!
    You missed your calling as a comedian. 🙂

  36. Hacker of Palin’s emails may be the son of a Democratic state congressman:

    tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/NEWS02/80918081

  37. State Rep. Mike Kernell confirmed Thursday that his son, a University of Tennessee-Knoxville student, is at the center of heated Internet discussion into the hacking of the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

    Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, confirmed that it is his 20-year-old son, David, who is being widely named on Internet blogs and chatrooms in connection with an unfolding story about Palin’s hacked e-mail accounts.

  38. So lets see in the last week, we’ve had

    A: the Democratic mayor of Detroit jailed and sacked

    B : the chairman of the tax committee admitted he’s underpaid taxes and didnt declare over 100K in income.

    C : The son of Obama supporter Tenn Dem state rep Kernell under arrest on suspicion Hacking the VP nominees email.

    D : The son of Florida Rep Boyds son arrested for smuggling illegals over the border.

    Anyone else care to add, its getting pretty busy keeping up with them.

  39. We were just discussing that H4T, its getting busy keeping up with Dem corruption and now we have House Dems voting “present” oh well they are learning from bambi.

  40. Bill Clinton has subtly knifed Obama and smiled

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-pr.html

    Bill Clinton: McCain ‘A Great Man’; Praises Hillary’s, Not Obama’s Economic Plan

    ABC News’ Jennifer Parker reports: Former President Bill Clinton has largely kept himself out of the public eye since his wife lost the Democratic primary to Barack Obama.

    However in a rare television interview tonight the former president called Republican presidential candidate John McCain “a great man” and praised GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin as an “instinctively effective candidate.”

    On a day when Obama sought to convince voters that he’s best able to handle the economic crisis, the former president said it was his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-NY, who gave today “the most detailed position.”

    In an interview with CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo, Clinton, who has tried to put to rest rumors of tensions between himself and Obama said, “I’ve never concealed my admiration and affection for Senator McCain. I think he’s a great man.

    “But, I think on the issues that matter to our future, the Obama-Biden team is, is more right,” Clinton said of the Democratic ticket. “And I believe they’re gonna win. But, I think that it will be competitive until the end.”

    A ringing endorsement it wasn’t.

    However, Clinton, also said there could still be “some unforeseen development,” perhaps in the debates, he said, that could threaten a Democratic win.

  41. I received this in an e-mail, so I don’t have a link, but it is Judicial Watch, so it should be easy to look up.

    Leftwing Voter Registration Fraud On Rise
    HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH BO AND VOTER FRAUD—–THIS GUY WILL
    DO—-ANYTHING————TO WIN.
    Thu, 09/18/2008 – 12:07 — Judicial Watch Blog
    For the second time in as many months a left-wing community group largely
    funded with U.S. tax dollars has submitted fake voter registration cards,
    this week in a key battleground state.

    The Chicago-based Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
    (ACORN), where Barack Obama worked as a “community organizer,” has long been
    investigated for falsifying information to register new voters during
    nationwide drives and authorities are especially vigilant in a presidential
    election year.

    This week officials in New Mexico’s most populous county (Bernalillo)
    notified federal authorities that more than 1,000 fraudulent voter
    registration cards were submitted to the clerk’s office. ACORN, which pays
    workers for each registration, is the prime suspect since it has handled
    thousands of new voter registrations in New Mexico since January.

  42. moononpluto Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Bill Clinton has subtly knifed Obama and smiled
    *************
    That is really good. The Clintons, especially Bill, have very long memories and a lot of friends.

  43. Thanks for the news about Bill Clinton. Now that is the Bill that I love to hear. I was getting worried about him.

  44. Biden defends the link between patriotism and higher taxes
    Posted: 06:05 PM ET

    Sen. Biden is sticking by his recent comments on taxes.

    AKRON, Ohio (CNN) – Hours after drawing Republican fire over a comment $250,000 per year will be expected to pay higher taxes because “it’s time to be patriotic,” Joe Biden told supporters in a small union hall Wednesday afternoon that the wealthy are patriotic but “we have not asked anything of them.”

    Earlier, John McCain and Sarah Palin seized on the original remark from Barack Obama’s running mate. “To the rest of America that’s not patriotism,” said Palin at an Iowa rally. “Raising taxes is about killing jobs and hurting small businesses and making things worse.” McCain called the comment “just plain dumb.”

    Biden said both Obama and McCain are in favor of tax cuts — but the decision over who gets them is a question of values.

    “Is it a higher value that [those making more than $250,000] get that tax cut?” Biden asked. “Or should we take that $130 billion and give it to families making less than $150,000 all the way down the ladder? What do you value? Tell me what you value.”

    “The point I want to make to you,” Biden added, “is wealthy people are just as patriotic as poor people. We just have not asked anything of them.”

    After repeating “it’s a time to be patriotic,” Biden argued that the county has “no problem sending our kids to war” and hit McCain for not supporting the recent GI Bill.

    “I tell you Democrats,” Biden said angrily, “don’t you step down from anybody telling you that we don’t value, we don’t have American values. I have had it up to here. I have had enough. Tell me what you value!”

    Biden also jabbed McCain and Palin for not holding press conferences. The Republican nominee hasn’t had one in over a month, and Palin hasn’t since being named to the GOP ticket. Biden said he was asked by a reporter what he thought of Palin but replied he didn’t know because she doesn’t talk to the press.

    “I don’t have any idea. I don’t know!” exclaimed Biden. “It’s not just Sarah Palin. When’s the last time John had a press conference?”

    Looking over at Ohio Governor Ted Strickland, he added, “Ted, you and I know, when elected officials stop holding press conferences, it ain’t because he’s found a new way to communicate, it’s because he doesn’t want to communicate.”

    McCain spokesman Ben Porritt responded that in the midst of a troubled economy and a presidential election, “Why on earth does Barack Obama’s running mate worry so much about our media relations strategy?”

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/biden-defends-the-link-between-patriotism-and-higher-taxes/
    *****************************************************
    This is the guy who got less then 10,000 vote in the democratic primary and has had gaffes a minute it seem like.

  45. Moon,

    the list of corrupt dems keeps growing. Has Obama said anything about reforming his own party? He keeps saying he is for change…lol…change like this we do not need!

  46. Obama is stupid and if the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY thinks that this is all the fault of one party they need to look into a mirror that is framed with the words Fannie and Freddie and how the largest piece of the financial problem is the Democrats refusal to reform those institutions.

    Facts don’t lie and so…BOTH PARTIES ARE TO BLAME!!!

    Instead of working together for this country, BOTH PARTIES let special interests and lousy Congressional oversight be the norm. I would like to see Sen. CHRIS DODD removed from his Chairman seat since he has long forgotten who he work for….remember all those sweetheart deals Chris got on his own personal morgages?

    Yea, Chris you’re in fault too.

  47. It’s a shame but not surprising considering what is going on with the Dimocrats and corruption:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13584.html

    New polling suggests that the Republican Party is beginning to regain some of its luster and, perhaps as important, is experiencing a surge in excitement among its political base.

    A new poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press reports that independent voters have an equally favorable opinion of both parties, 50 to 49 percent, a one-point edge for the GOP. That compares to an 18-point Democratic advantage as recently as August, a wide gap that had generally held for more than a year.

    And half of registered voters overall now have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, the highest GOP ranking in three years. Slightly more voters, 55 percent, continue to have a favorable view of the Democratic Party.

  48. I just commented on the story on Reid below and posted this link to Hillary’s solution and told him to give her the Senate Majority Leader position.

    clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/senate-majority.html

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, asked today what new regulatory actions Congress can take, said, bluntly, “No one knows what to do. We are in new territory here. This is a different game. We’re not here playing soccer, basketball or football, this is a new game and we’re going to have to figure out how to do it.”

  49. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, asked today what new regulatory actions Congress can take, said, bluntly, “No one knows what to do. We are in new territory here. This is a different game. We’re not here playing soccer, basketball or football, this is a new game and we’re going to have to figure out how to do it.”

    ————————————————————————————————-

    It is hard to believe that the Senate Majority Leader is such a nincompoop.

  50. carbynew,

    That’s just it. McCain is admitting that both parties have to work together to fix this mess. Obama is just fingerpointing.

  51. Cartoon Ridicules Palin’s Pentecostal Faith

    The Washington Post Web site features a political cartoon that mocks Gov. Sarah Palin’s faith.

    Cartoonist Pat Oliphant takes aim at Palin’s Pentecostal beliefs, portraying the vice presidential candidate as speaking gibberish that is incomprehensible even to God.

    Kristen Fyfe, a senior writer at the Media Research Center, said this is just the latest evidence of the liberal media bias.

    “They are really trying to find just about anything that they can to throw at her to make her seem unappealing or take the bloom off of the rose,” she told Family News in Focus.

    Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell conceded the cartoon was overdoing it and “readers were right to complain.”

    Tom Minnery, senior vice president for government and public policy at Focus on the Family Action, weighed in during today’s Election Video Update.

    “If this very repugnant cartoon gets wide play,” he said, “it will boost Sarah Palin’s popularity, strictly because of the backlash.”

    — Jennifer Mesko

    http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000008196.cfm

  52. Actually has Obama said anything of how he’s going to fix this economy because i dont seem to recall anything.

  53. Obama voting “present” again:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_outraged_at_being_accused_of_not_supporting_something_he_doesnt_support.html?showall

    Obama, on the trail in New Mexico, had this to say of McCain:

    “And today he accused me of not supporting what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank did with AIG despite no evidence whatsoever that that’s what I had said.”

    To recap, when I wrote earlier today that Obama supported the bailout, I quickly was instructed by his staff that this was not the case. He just didn’t oppose it, I was told.

    Now he’s so adamant about not opposing the Fed’s move that he’s complaining about McCain’s portrayal.

    Where, I wonder, is the line between not opposing and, ya know, supporting.

  54. Obama’s Tax Hikes Are ‘Idiotic, Not Patriotic,’ Says RightChange.com
    Last update: 5:41 p.m. EDT Sept. 18, 2008

    RightChange.com, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to helping Americans break through politicians’ spin surrounding complex policy issues responded to comments reported this morning by The Associated Press made by Senator Joseph Biden suggesting paying higher taxes is the “patriotic thing to do.”

    Tim Pittman, RightChange.com’s executive director said, “The economy is weak. Our financial markets are in crisis. Small businesses, families and individual investors are watching their accounts dwindle and the best policy proposal from Senators Obama and Biden is to take more money from them?

    “Increasing taxes on millions of Americans when our economy is struggling isn’t patriotic, it’s idiotic. You don’t have to have a Ph.D. to understand that.

    “This is the wrong time for tax increases; this is wrong policy for millions of workers and small businesses; and, it’s the wrong type of change for America.

    “Senator Biden’s comments are nothing short of misleading; they don’t accurately convey the affects of these types of policy choices on our economy. Respected economists and think tanks have clearly said that Senator Obama’s tax hikes would raise tax rates on many American small businesses up to 62 percent — a rate higher than Wal-Mart, reduce the after-tax wages of more than 10 million workers by an average of $5,650, and, with the elimination of the Social Security earnings cap, hit 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists with yet another government bill. Is this really the change we need?”
    RightChange.com urges Senator Biden to support lower, not higher, taxes on American families.

    For more information, visit http://www.rightchange.com.

  55. carbynew Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Obama’s Tax Hikes Are ‘Idiotic, Not Patriotic,’ Says RightChange.com
    Last update: 5:41 p.m. EDT Sept. 18, 2008
    ———————
    I have mentioned this couple of times on this board. His 28% capital gains tax on home sales is dangerous — right now up to $250k per owner is exempted and McCain is not changing it. Imagine how it affects real people, for instance, older Americans selling their homes to downsize and they will have to pay 28% on profits from their sale.

  56. Obama’s been busy blasting his opposition for what has happened to the economy. He keeps saying that he will have the answer but were still waiting…waiting…waiting…for him to “borrow” McCain’s and Hillary’s ideas for his own.

  57. I keep hearing Obama talking about the good economy of the 90’s, and it pisses me off SO bad! I really wish McCain would hit him on this.

    Everything Obama says now about the economy is what he has cribbed from Hillary in the last 2 months.

    His own website has changed his tax plan twice so far. He is trying to cram his sorry ass into Hillary’s pantsuit as fast as he can, and the public is not buying it.

    He spent 19 moths trashing the Clinton economy, and now he wants to pull that mantle of Bill’s success over his self and call it “MINE”? Kiss my ass!

    I so wish that he would refer to how good “Democrats” are for the economy, using the 90’s as an example, in a debate. I wish McCain would slap him right down by pointing out that he based his whole primary on how BAD it would be to return to the 90’s.

  58. YES!!!!

    Palin is hitting Obama at the WI rally. “Earlier today Obama was telling his supporters to go out and get in your face. That doesn’t sound like the politics of hope to me.”

  59. Amir tehari, writer of the article blowing the lid off of Obama’s violation of the Logan Act by attempting to make under-the-table deals with iraq bypassing the president has received death threats from BO supporters.

    ‘While I am encouraged by the senator’s evolution, I must also appeal to him to issue a “cease and desist” plea to the battalions of his sympathizers – who have been threatening me with death and worse in the days since my article appeared. ‘

  60. Let me repeat this I was a HILLARY CLINTON supporter because I thought she HAD THE BEST Plan for the ECONOMY without damaging SMALL BUSINESSES and the middleclass and could get a universal Healthplan through Congress that would be a TRUE BLESSING for the American people…that’s my expertist Healthcare and she address the slippery slope of “RISK” but using the Healthcare that Congress has as a template and then mandating coverage for everyone, except illegals.

    Illegals would be under the emergency plan…that Healthcare plan would pay for itself and still give Americans the choice that they like. It was so good even the Republicans agreed. But noooooo, those IDIOTS on the left wanted SINGLE PAYOR Healthcare. It was a very balance plan that have consumer safeguards built in it.

    Obama is a Chicago corrupt Politican he would have sold us down the river and by the look of his initial plan…it was geared to benefit the Healthcare Companies…i.e. Financial Delivery Systems.

    Obama is a FAKE…he does not want to see HILLARY CLINTN SHINE OR RISE to her “God Given Potential” or any women period.

  61. The son of Democratic state Rep. Mike Kernell (Member of Ten. for Obama) has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.

    Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin’s personal email account.

    The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.

    David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.

    Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son’s whereabouts and whether he was in custody.
    ——————————————————————
    Put me on the jury pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzze

  62. basil,

    the ones who are threatening him with death? I guess they are just following Obama’s orders to get in everybody’s face. 😉

  63. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    YES!!!!

    Palin is hitting Obama at the WI rally. “Earlier today Obama was telling his supporters to go out and get in your face. That doesn’t sound like the politics of hope to me.”
    —————————–

    This is great! She is our mouthpiece. What the media does not say, she says and says it well. Earlier at Cedar Rapids, she said (paraphrasing) he never says I did but he says I will (which I have alluded to before as “give me the job first and then we will see..” which he has done with every job he has held so far). She is good at ad libbing and does not mess up these zingers — delivers them to maximum effect.

  64. McCain is hitting Obama on only doing what his party bosses tell him to do – he gets his marching orders from them, and they don’t want to fix it.

    He is going to get under Obama’s skin with this – he’s all but called him a puppet.

  65. Unfortunately, The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY selected that GYMMICK and instead of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the DO NOTHING DEMOCRATIC? CONGRESS playing politics with our lifesavings to prop up NObama over Hillary Clinton who does have the political chops and relationships with those like John McCain and others who place COUNTRY FIRST we could have had the fix in LAST NOVEMBER.

    So, FOR ALL THOSE DEMOCRATS POINTING FINGERS AND BLAMING THE REPUBLICANS…LOOK IN THE MIRROR WHEN YOU POINT THAT FINGER.

  66. JMac now hitting Obama for getting a million dollars in pork for every single day he’s been in the senate.

  67. The son of Democratic state Rep. Mike Kernell (Member of Ten. for Obama) has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.

    Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin’s personal email account.

    The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.

    David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.

    Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son’s whereabouts and whether he was in custody
    —————————————————————–
    If you think his dad knew nothing about this I have got some property in the everglades for sale–how would you like to buy it sight unseen.

  68. Oh Christ give me strength, i thought it was a joke its not. I think i want to throw up.

    New London show, The Obama Musical, penned by Barack Obama campaign worker takes a humourous look behind the scenes at the workings of a presidential campaign.

    Having set alight the race for the White House, Senator Barack Obama is about to work his magic on the London stage.

    Written and produced by the Ohio-born Teddy Hayes, The Obama Musical focuses on the personalities behind the Democratic candidate’s campaign.

    Songs in the show, due to receive its premiere at Barons Court Theatre next month, include Obama and Me, which is sung by an obsessive member of his team and includes the lyric: “We are a pair/like chocolate and éclair”.

    Hayes said: “I’ve done a bit of work for the Obama campaign and this is a send-up of what happens behind the scenes.”

  69. moononpluto Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    Actually has Obama said anything of how he’s going to fix this economy because i dont seem to recall anything.
    ******************************************************
    Please, did you see Emil Jones standing on the stage giving a speech at the Denver Convention.

    Emil Jones #1 Chicago political Godfather wielding his power to get his protege’ the Democratic nominee in 6 years and many graveyards dug up for voters.

  70. Just to point out Barons court theatre is no where near London’s West end, its a tackly small theatre located under a bar, classy enough i think for a story about Bambi.

  71. h4T,

    She looks so tired
    ————————————————————-
    I agree basil. And it makes me hate them all the more for what they have done. It this what happens when someone tries to do what is right for the American People. The bastards in the press just grind you down. And people in your own party do not stand tall when the chips are down. And do not let anyone tell you the crisis we are facing today is just a bush problem. The democrats with the exception of Hillary and the centrist faction were in pare delicto. This began when Felix Rohyaten who is a key money man and executor to Ted Kennedy drove a nail throught the coffin of Roosevelt values which would have prevented this. He changed the thrust of the party to radical free market and brought in the wall street interests who created this crisis. Roosevelt values included modest regulation and economic rights for Americans. As William put it in one of his essays Hillary is the last great Roosevelt liberal left on the stage–and look at how the press goes after her. We have got to keep supporting her through this ordeal.

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    Associated Press – September 18, 2008 8:25 PM ET

    GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) – A former backer of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton introduced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to thousands of supporters at a rally in Green Bay on Thursday.

    Debra Bartoshevich says she thought Clinton would be the first woman in the White House. But now she says she thinks Palin will be the one.

    The nurse from Waterford was dumped as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention after she switched allegiances to Republican presidential hopeful John McCain rather than back the Democrats’ nominee, Barack Obama.

    McCain and his running mate Palin entered the Resch Center through an outline cutout of the state. They then walked along an elevated catwalk to the stage, shaking hands along the way.

    Palin spoke before McCain at the rally that drew thousands.

    Green Bay has become the epicenter of the race in Wisconsin.

    Obama plans to be there on Monday and his running mate Joe Biden was there less than two weeks ago.

    http://www.waow.com/Global/story.asp?S=9036606

  73. What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama denies Raines ties

    The campaign puts out a statement from former Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines, disowning ties to Obama, after a McCain ad attacked him for the ties.

    The Washington Post reported — with the kind of blind sourcing that suggests the source was Raines — that Raines had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”

    Raines said in the statement through the campaign, “I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters.”

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton added an attack:

    This is another flat-out lie from a dishonorable campaign that is increasingly incapable of telling the truth. Frank Raines has never advised Senator Obama about anything — ever.

    UPDATE: McCain spokesman Brian Rogers notes that Obama didn’t contradict the claim when it first appeared in the Post.

  74. Rep. Kernell has more integrity than almost (?)anyone I know. He doesn’t lie, cheat or steal, and helps people whenever he can. (hardly ever)

    When I was sick, he’d leave soup by my door after a long day of work.–sharon cobb
    ——————————————-
    Well I guess that settles it. He is innocent. Or else he is guilty and sharon cobb is wrong, (psssst Sharon–menegle was fond of cats–didnt make him innocent).

    By the way Mike is a Republican for obama. A riddle within a riddle–everywhere you turn.

  75. Biden: I’m Going to Raise Taxes Because My Church Told Me To

    How quickly would the MSM have jumped on this statement had Sarah Palin made it?

    “Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,” he said. “Now it’d be different if you could make the case to me that by giving this tax cut to the very wealthy, everybody else was going to be better off. We saw what happened the last eight years when we gave that tax cut.”

    It wasn’t Sarah Palin who said that, though. It was Joe Biden, whose…interesting…belief that his religious belief should be the law of the land is likely not to draw much outrage at all from the usual suspects on the left.

    I wonder what section of the Bible he might use that tells us that we should use the power of the government to take money from our neighbors and give it to people we think deserve it more?

    poligazette.com/2008/09/19/biden-im-going-to-raise-taxes-because-my-church-told-me-to/
    ******************************************************
    HYPOCRISY thy name is Liberal Media and the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY.

    Why do I feel like I’m being played on my beliefs?

  76. Palin Pushes Up ‘Hannity’ Ratings
    By Andrew Krukowski

    After jump starting ratings for “ABC World News” last week, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin made the rounds to Fox News’ “Hannity and Colmes” on Wednesday, pushing the talk show to its second-highest total viewership in 2008.

    Part one of Sean Hannity’s interview with Gov. Palin brought in 4.9 million viewers, second only to the show’s coverage of Gov. Palin’s speech during the Republican National Convention earlier in the month, according to Nielsen Media Research.

    The show also did well in its key demographic, adults 25-54, with 1.4 million viewers, its third-highest number in the demo in 2008.

    “Hannity and Colmes” more than doubled MSNBC’s 9 p.m. competitor, Rachel Maddow, and tripled CNN’s “Larry King Live” in total viewers.

    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/palin_pushes_up_hannity_rating.php

  77. Obama Warns of Long Term Economic Fallout
    Nick Timiraos reports from Albuquerque, N.M., on the presidential race:

    Barack Obama picked up $1.7 million in at a New Mexico fundraiser on Thursday night, where the news on Wall Street again dominated the conversation.

    During the event, the Democratic nominee offered this assessment of the current situation: “I wish I could say that we are out of the woods but we’re going to have some more work to do in the weeks and months to come to set this economy right.”

    Obama stayed on the attack against John McCain, criticizing him for embracing an economic philosophy that he argued had precipitated the week’s Wall Street turbulence. He warned that years of loading up on debt was beginning to roost as fear gripped U.S. financial markets, criticizing the lack of energy or fiscal policy that “loads up on debt from China, and sends it to Saudi Arabia because we can’t break our addiction to foreign oil.”

    “When the smoke clears on Wall Street, what you’re going to find is that some U.S. companies that we always though were standard bearers for what the United States was, are going to suddenly be owned by a bunch of sovereign wealth funds,” the Illinois senator said. After discussing the other threats facing the country, Obama added, “The biggest threat we face is not just terrorism, it’s that our economy is falling behind.”

    Obama said he had consulted earlier Thursday with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and his campaign said he had also spoken with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    Donors had contributed $2,500 per person to attend the event, which also featured New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, and a special reception followed for donors who had given $28,500 to the campaign and Democratic National Committee, or who had raised $50,000 per person.

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/18/obama-warns-of-long-term-economic-fallout/
    ******************************************************
    Obama is a fearmonger…he hasn’t done anything but run his mouth and talk down on the economy for his political gain. Not once did he use the word WE but I called, I consulted but I still let other people do the work.

    THIS IS NOT LEADERSHIP, THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A LEACH!

  78. The wheels on the bus go thump-diddy-thump
    Thump-diddy-thump
    Thump-diddy-thump.
    The wheels on the bus go thump-diddy-thump
    All over Franklin Raines.

  79. I really think BO wanted a this he has not stop being negative on the economy especially when you saw his negative words being replayed over and over again.

    Wall Street is worst gossip in town, they are afraid of their own shadow…so I’m not surprise of the market meltdown with IDIOTS like OBAMA, Chris Matther, Keith Olberman and other targeting one bank a day, everyday and then gleefully beaming that this will help Obama over McCain.

    THEN you have that IDIOT Harry Reid saying “No One Knows What to Do’ to Solve Crisis.”

    You mean you couldn’t contact Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton and as a united front show confidence that a plan was in the works….geesh.

    Instead of rejoicing in Americans pain and gleefully clapping that Sen. Obama tick up a few precentage points and see racism in the clouds.

    I’m so angry because my 401k is being placed in risk over the juvenile antics of a bunch of egomaniacs and idiots who place their political gains above the PUBLIC TRUST!

    You go McCain and I hope people see that this is a man who is not afraid to FIRE the SEC chairman for not getting on top of this crisis. Instead we have Obama staying with the status quo of “DO NOTHING.”

  80. Carby: Which team do you think, really cares about the American people? It is obvious isn’t it?

    So much for bipartisan cooperation. BO is all talk and bull.

  81. A beautiful late summer day today. I stopped by a marina and asked to see the boats that were for sale. The proprietor showed me three of them.

    The first vessel was an impressive looking yacht, all teakwood, gleaming brass and a rich leather interior. I asked him about it. He said dont buy it–it is not seaworthy and it costs too much. I told him I appreciated his candor, and asked him what was wrong with it.

    He said there are alot of things wrong with it but you have to look closely. First, it has a poor design–a flat bottom, a low metacentric height, low righting moment. If you hit bad weather it could roll over on you. Second, the teak wood you see is plywood, the brass is pig iron. Third, if you go in the wheel house you will see the compass does not work and it never did. Fourth, the engine order telegraph (gearbox) broken and you can go from flank speed to reverse without warning. Fifth, if you go down to the engine room you will see it is underpowered, if you listen to the engine you can tell it runs lazy and it burns fuel like crazy. Sixth if you go aft to the stern you will find a penant box and if you open it up you will see all kind of flags from Kenya, Iran, Venezuela, Germany, Britain (Soros). But there is no American flag. And all it will cost you is three votes one from you and another from two dead relatives. What is the name of this vessel I asked. He told me The Barack Obama.

    The next vessel was smaller and not nearly as impressive. I told him so and he cautioned me to not judge a vessel by its exterior. He said this is a seaworthy vessel, and if you are going north it will get you through the Straits of Juan de Fuca, the Sraits of Georgia, Icy Staits, Glacier Bay, across the Gulf of Alaska and back home safely. It handle heavy weather, and it is economical to operate. It is an older boat but it has well maintained engines and its navigational systems are all operational. If flies the American flag. What does it cost I asked? One vote–just your own. It is The John McCain.

    He then showed me a third vessel. Compared to the first vessel it was more attractive, had much better lines, all the equipment was operational and it was ready for sea. Compared to the second, it was sportier, faster and more reliable.
    You could get to Alaska and back in half the time safely. And it proudly flies the American flag.How much I asked. He said one vote–your own. I said I will take it. He said I cannot sell it to you because the owner of the marina took it off the market. What is the name of that vessel? The Hillary Clinton–the pride of the fleet

  82. Okay, I just got an email from NOW that contained a particularly vicious recounting of the “rape kit” smear. I am FUCKING FURIOUS. My reply:

    PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR EMAIL LIST.

    I am utterly disgusted at your smears on Governor Plain. I am a nurse. I have worked the ER in several states. Rape kits are charged in EVERY ER I have ever worked in, just as all medical supplies are. Rape kits are charged in ILLINOIS. It is standard. All crime victims are charged. Gunshot wounds are charged. Stitches for knife wounds are charged,

    I have already called your national office and asked to be removed from membership. You could be complimentary of this strong, accomplished women while still maintaining your pro-choice stance. It’s not like you had to endorse her. But your frenzied attempt to tear her down and FRIGHTEN other women about her is despicable.

    Unsubscribe me. Please. I want nothing to do with your exclusive, narrow little brand of “feminism” anymore, and I am telling every woman I know of every single smear you perpetrate. I have busted my ass for both women and for choice for years, and to see you treating another woman this way makes me nauseous. I have a dear sister who is pro-life, and she is EVERY BIT as strong and accomplished and in need of support in this sexist society as I am.

    The ends does not justify the means. If you intend to protect my choice by smearing and tearing down a history-making woman, then you are as bad as what you purport to despise.

    Shame on you.

  83. Greta is on FOX talking about the Canadian journalist Heather Mallick who wrote the “porn star, white trash” column about Palin.

    She is PISSED. She repeatedly told the Canadian guy defending it that Mallick is a PIG. Guy tried to say that maybe it could be good, because it would start a dialogue, blah blah blah….

    Greta shrugs and says, “No, I just think she’s a pig.”

  84. Washington Works On Financial Rescue Plan
    Liz Moyer, 09.18.08, 10:11 PM ET

    Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke met with leaders from both sides of the political aisle on Capitol Hill on Thursday to begin work on a plan of action to help relieve banks of their toxic assets. According to a statement by the Treasury late Thursday, the meetings focused on a “comprehensive approach to address the illiquid assets on bank balance sheets.”

    There is growing consensus in Washington that the federal response to the credit crisis has fallen short of a solution that would restore confidence and stability in the financial markets. The creation of a new entity to deal with the crisis is just one solution being explored.
    The Treasury said in the statement that regulators and lawmakers “expect to work through the weekend” to finalize a plan.

    The government would need Congress to pass legislation to give it the power to buy distressed assets or set up an entity to do so.

    Paulson’s plan would join a bunch of other proposals now circulating Washington as the mood in New York’s financial capital remains somber. The crisis deepened last weekend with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the $85 billion loan package arranged by the Fed Tuesday to bail out American International Group.

    There has been speculation that Paulson will propose a modernized version of a throwback to the 1980s savings and loan crisis: an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. to deal with all the illiquid mortgage-related assets that are dirtying banks’ books.

    The Resolution Trust Corp. came to life in 1989 after the failure of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corp., then the thrift industry’s version of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. In the thick of the savings and loan debacle, FSLIC was swamped by the collapse of 296 thrifts in a short span of time. It, too, failed.

    So Congress put together the RTC, funded it with $50 billion, and tasked it with taking on the assets of failed thrifts and working them off. The RTC lasted until 1995, and required additional injections of capital, ultimately totaling more than $100 billion.

    It did serve its purpose, however expensive. In its six-year life, the RTC worked with 727 failed thrifts, totaling some $394 billion of assets.
    In recent days, lawmakers and some current and former regulators proposed to create a new RTC that could help alleviate stress for banks still dealing with the credit crisis.

    “I think we need to create an institution or a mechanism of a super-trustee to handle incredibly large institutions which may be allowed to fail and how those assets get managed and handled in an expeditious way,” Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) said Tuesday. “If we don’t do that, we’ll just go from one failure to another.”

    One proposed twist on the old version of the RTC is to allow a new entity to take on assets of otherwise healthy banks, freeing the healthy banks to regenerate. The RTC handled assets of thrifts that failed.

    There are various ways of structuring such an entity. Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona called for the creation of a mortgage and financial institutions trust, which would work with the private sector and regulators to identify institutions that are weak and take remedies to strengthen them before they become insolvent. “For troubled institutions this will provide an orderly process through which to identify bad loans and eventually sell them,” he said in a speech.

    New York’s Democrat Sens. Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton had their own ideas.

    Sen. Schumer proposed the return of an idea from the Depression: a Reconstruction Finance Corp. that would inject capital into banks through stock purchases, leaving it to the banks to dispose of troubled assets. Schumer also proposed resurrecting judicial mortgage modifications, an idea that failed to survive the housing rescue bill passed earlier this summer.

    The Mortgage Bankers Association and other banking lobbies campaigned vigorously against the proposal, which would have allowed judges to write down the value of mortgages.

    Sen. Clinton called for the creation of an entity that would buy up and quarantine mortgage securities that are the bane of the banking industry at the moment. She also calls for a ban on short-selling stocks, saying it would provide breathing room for markets to recover.

    Such a ban was initiated in the U.K. starting Friday and the Securities and Exchange Commission is considering a similar ban.

    Some don’t think a new version of the RTC is needed, however. “The banking industry has the resources to pay the bills,” says Bert Ely, a bank regulation consultant in Alexandria, Va. “There’s nothing that a new RTC would bring to the table.”

    The FDIC already exists, for starters, with a $45 billion insurance fund even after the failure of IndyMac Bancorp earlier this summer. Back during the savings and loan crisis, the FDIC handled the failure of 1,911 banks, totaling $703 billion of assets, and didn’t succumb to failure like the FSLIC. Bank failures are expected to rise, but not anywhere near 1990 levels.

    Concerns that the FDIC will run out of insurance funds to cover deposits are overblown, many say. For starters, the insurance fund isn’t a separate account, as many imagine it to be. It is part of the Treasury Department’s general fund and has been since the Johnson administration.

    As William Isaac, a former FDIC commissioner, notes, the Treasury has been spending the FDIC “deposit fund” on missiles, school lunches, water projects and the like. Any money the FDIC uses for a bank failure is charged against the current federal budget, regardless of whether money will be recovered down the road.

    The “fund” is funded by premiums (or taxes, rather) banks pay into it. Current FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair has said in recent weeks she could raise these contributions. She could also borrow bridge financing from the Treasury to cover for the time lapse between a bank failure and the sale of its assets.

    Doesn’t that sound familiar? AIG got a lifeline from the Federal Reserve late Tuesday in the form of $85 billion in loans that will be backed by its own assets. The Treasury said Wednesday it was issuing securities to assist the Fed. Last month, the Treasury used its authority to take Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into conservatorship, with a promise to inject as much as $200 billion between the two.

    A new RTC isn’t really needed, except perhaps for image polishing on Capitol Hill. The Treasury isn’t going anywhere.

    http://www.forbes.com/business/2008/09/18/debt-paulson-congress-biz-wall-cx_lm_0918bizdebt.html

  85. I’m liking Fox more and more…this is twice today Fox has been I’ve seen FOX Female Anchors speaking out on this fifth.

    Kelly and now Greta…I can’t stand this foreign nut jobs writers. A bunch of pigs.

  86. You go McCain and I hope people see that this is a man who is not afraid to FIRE the SEC chairman for not getting on top of this crisis. Instead we have Obama staying with the status quo of “DO NOTHING.”
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    I am surprised to find out about Chris Cox. I thought he would be effective in that position. I think McCain is absolutely right to demand his termination–there has to be accountability. But I will tell you that 90 percent of it is the culture of Wall Street–which Donaldson has been railing about for years. Ditto with the wizard of Omaha. The same firms who support Obama have been up to their necks in the speculation which has driven this thing. They need to be real careful when they start calling other campaigns dirty.

  87. yup, I just saw that too – Greta saying this Canadian journalist is a “pig.” Interesting choice of word since it started a firestorm a week and half ago.

    over the course of the primary, it was rare to see people stand up against the sexism the media and the BO surrogates were spewing at Clinton, and it was rare to see people point out the bias in the media against Clinton, and it was rare to see people speak up about the fraud in the caucuses, and it was rare that anyone would point out the race-baiting that BO and his surrogates were doing…

    I’ve concluded that few people are brave. Most people are spineless lemmings (no offense to lemmings.)

  88. Greta is on FOX talking about the Canadian journalist Heather Mallick who wrote the “porn star, white trash” column about Palin.

    She is PISSED. She repeatedly told the Canadian guy defending it that Mallick is a PIG. Guy tried to say that maybe it could be good, because it would start a dialogue, blah blah blah….

    Greta shrugs and says, “No, I just think she’s a pig.”
    ——————————————
    Good for you Greta. There is evil in the world and we should not shrink from calling it out in the name of political correcteness. Theirs is the same logic that would call Hitler a charismatic political leader with a nationalistic agenda.

  89. For the guy (Biden) who wants to raise taxes on the rich..he sure is a cheapskate.

    He earned $2,450,042 in ten years and guess what his total charitable contributions for that same period were…..$3,690

    If more people gave to charitable causes….we wouldn’t need to pay more taxes.
    tons of organizations are out there doing good work every day and our government doesn’t need to be involved..or at least our taxpayer dollars don’t.

  90. It is my impression from listening to the last speech of McCain that he had several good points and that they flew by.

    I would suggest that McC — or perhaps Sarah who has a diferent style and delivery — break up the points and repeat them. For instance:(making sure the points are correct – I’m winging some)

    This financial crisis was brought about by the housing crisis.

    The mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is a major cause of the housing crisis.

    Fannie and Freddy avoided regulation by heavy contributions to politicians.

    The chairman of the committee for their oversight got the most money in 8 years (Dodd)

    The politician who came in second in only 3 years is Sen Obama.

    LET ME REPEAT THAT:

    In 3 years, Sen Obama received the second most money from F&F! Nowhere in his ‘change’ mantra, has O called for regulation or better oversight of F&F.

    I did. In 2002 and 2006. When I say change and reform, this is what I mean. O’s ‘change’? ??

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    This isn’t exactly McC’s style. But he needs to make sure that the media cannot ignore his charges.

  91. LMAO! NQ is talking about Obama having a snit fit

    Obama, on the trail in New Mexico, had this to say of McCain:

    “And today he accused me of not supporting what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank did with AIG despite no evidence whatsoever that that’s what I had said.”

    Of course, Obama DIDN’t support it. But he is arguing that because he did not actually OPPOSE it, that counts as support, and McCain is LYING.

    and here is the BEST COMMENT EVAH on that argument:

    His position is that he positioned himself to be in a position to take a position., so that, like, counts.

  92. I didn’t know Megyn Kelly, Fox anchor, is also an attorney, not sure what kind. Anyway, she’s on O’Reilly, and doing the commentary on the Palin illegally accessed emails – she believes that the hacker will be prosecuted for a Felony, but the websites which published the emails won’t be prosecuted because they are considered “news outlets” and the information is “newsworthy” so therefore will be protected under the Freedom of Information Act.

  93. ctv: That hacker needs to be brought to justice, so that there are consequences for his actions. Maybe, someone will think twice, before hacking into someone’s e-mail and publishing it.

  94. agree. I think the guy should go to jail…I bet that he’s done a lot more than hacking the Palin email…It would be great to find out if he were one of those paid BO campaign bloggers…

    I don’t know what else is going on – but did he flee – and if he did, are the BO campaign hiding him out and making sure there’s nothing else incriminating on his computer. Ok, that sounds paranoid, but could happen.

  95. gonzotx Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 12:08 am
    CountTheVotes Says:

    he’s a 20 y/o kid with mental illness hx. two pysch admissions
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    That is too bad. Tough way to begin one’s adult life.

  96. gonzotx, birdgal – sure, it’s a tough way to being adult life…but we don’t know all the details and what the spin is from the media – it could also be rehab, who knows. I am cynical as hell now.

    anyway, there was a NY Times article that i can’t find anymore, but was about the kind of hackers who inhabit these ‘anonymous’ spaces – I imagine most of them are or close to being sociopaths given what they’ve done, and unfortunately, they are the kind that have been attacking this site, have attacked NQ, Riverdaughter, have likely sent death threats to people…are probably most likely to be the ones who shoot people in schools.

    they should be caught – they should be out of the blogosphere and in a place where they can be treated or observed.

  97. ctv: There are many reasons for why somone might be psychiatrically hospitalized or in rehab. I haven’t read any of the articles, so I can’t comment. But, I am also cynical. To do something like hacking, is more indicative of a personality or character disorder. Sociopath or anti-social personality would fit. We’ll have to see, what happens, but the media is definitely after Palin. She was disinvited from the the U.N. protest. Interestingly, the reason given for the change in the CA event dates, was because she would be attending the U.N. function. Strange.

  98. I’ve come to the conclusion, that no matter who wins now, things are gonna really suck in this country for 4 years. I’m not talking policy I’m talking about all the hate being thrown back and forth. I expect the campaigns and the bots on both sides to get nastier. Don’t expect any cresendo coming any time soon, maybe if we’re lucky it will be somewhere in the 3rd year. this is gonna be a living hell.

    As far as policy neither candidate is gonna come close to Hillary unless they copy her.

    The only freshness is Sarah Palin, I loved her fox interview. And since I can’t stand BHO I’ll be glad to give her my vote.

  99. “he’s a 20 y/o kid with mental illness hx. two pysch admissions”
    ******************
    I think the M’Naghten Rules of 1843..from the British legal system are still the basis for judging “mental impairment”.

    “the jurors ought to be told in all cases that every man is presumed to be sane, and to possess a sufficient degree of reason to be responsible for his crimes, until the contrary be proved to their satisfaction; and that to establish a defence on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was labouring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or, if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong”

    Basically, did he know right from wrong when he committed the crime..if he did, he does the time.

  100. “he’s a 20 y/o kid with mental illness hx. two pysch admissions…”

    ——–

    Sounds to me like his Democratic congressman father really needs to be spending more time at home cleaning, cooking, and tending to the kids.

  101. SHV – sounds like from what David Kernell (if he is the guilty one) admitted about realizing the FBI would be after him, and so he shut his computer down and sat in the dark, he knows right from wrong.

    HWC – hear, hear. I would love to hear people griping about his father’s parenting skill. Serves the Dems right to be served with their own double standards.

  102. The behavior of the ‘obots reminds me of the Bushite thugs of the 2000 election cycle. The difference is that the Bushits were vile POSs but knew what they were doing; the ‘obots are just women hating and bat shit cazy.

  103. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

    Well, I read the Forbes article by Liz Moyer on the mortagage crisis, and from what I can tell, McCain has a plan, Hillary has a plan, Shumer has a plan, Paulson is getting and a plan. That is all they listed. Funny, seems like there is someone they left out, cannot remember who he is but his initials are BO. Oh thats right he is too busy spreading gloom and doom at least until the election to worry about a little thing like an economic recovery plan.

  104. HWC – hear, hear. I would love to hear people griping about his father’s parenting skill. Serves the Dems right to be served with their own double standards
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    Count: I think the father is a bat shit crazy republican libertarian for obama. Kind of a Hannibal Lector type.

  105. I’ve come to the conclusion, that no matter who wins now, things are gonna really suck in this country for 4 years
    ——————————————–
    I agree that it will be hard to achieve unity regardless of who wins. But I think it is a far greater problem if obama wins. There are many people of mature judgment who will never accept him as president. I know this because I happen to be one of them but most of my friends feel the same way. He will never be legitimate in our eyes.

  106. wbboei – yes, it’ll be unbearable if BO is President. Kind of like driving down a freeway going the wrong way with a student driver for the next 4 years.

  107. yes count–with his eyes closed, moonshine in the back seat, dynamite in the trunk and soros and the skelton remains of teddy in the rumble seat.

  108. I need my eyes checked! I thought Michelle O was wearing a garish polyester outfit that clung in the wrong places at the convention.

    But I didn’t see it all that well and I am a fashion nerd. I don’t like scoop-neck sweaters where your bra straps show or short short skirts or even jackets that are shorter than your shirt. I guess I am hopelessly old-fashioned!

    And I also believe your word is your bond.

    PS. Greta’s husband went from Hillary to McCain. She ought to be at least fair.

  109. Bill Clinton on Larry King next Wed.

    It’s sort of nice that Big Dawg has a reputation for saying what he wants – it gives him cover when he can’t genuinely sell the obama snakeoil…

    I hope Bill’s lukewarm endorsement shows, and the obama campaign decide to take him off the circuit; it’ll spare us the pain of watching more of the Clintons campaign for the fraud.

  110. Drip Drip Drip, Wow, its happening.

    McCain Wins Endorsement of Prominent Hispanic Democrat

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122179087917055511.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    As Barack Obama and John McCain battle for the Hispanic vote, a leading Latino backer of Hillary Clinton is crossing party lines to support the Republican presidential nominee.

    In an interview Thursday, Miguel D. Lausell, a Puerto Rican businessman and longtime Democratic activist and fund-raiser, came out for Sen. McCain. While he said he doesn’t agree with all the policy positions of the Republican candidate and his running mate, Sarah Palin, Mr. Lausell added: “I find McCain to be a sound person and a man with a track record. I know where he is coming from.” Mr. Lausell had been a major backer of Bill Clinton and served as a senior political adviser to Sen. Clinton’s unsuccessful bid this year for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    Mr. Lausell said he feels Sen. Obama “doesn’t really regard the Hispanic community as important.” Sen. Clinton won a large majority of the Hispanic vote in most primaries, and Latino voters are an important bloc in swing states such as Florida, Nevada and New Mexico. Most polls show Sen. Obama leads Sen. McCain among Latinos.

    Mr. Lausell said that as a “lifelong Democrat,” this is the first time he has supported a Republican presidential candidate.

  111. Some people love Obama for their peculiar reasons but IMO there’s no excuse if you’re moderate or conservative or if you’re female or gay.

  112. Caught Redhanded, McCain needs to take Obama on over this.

    Obama Bundler Who Stormed Palin Convention Speech Welcomed Personally at Obama’s Elite Hollywood Fundraiser

    Democrat presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois put his seal of approval on the woman who attempted to storm the stage during the acceptance speech by Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska at the Republican National Convention by welcoming her to his $28,500 per person fundraiser held in Hollywood on Tuesday night.

    Less than two weeks after garnering worldwide attention by getting within feet of the stage where Palin stood before getting dragged away by security personnel, Obama bundler Jodie Evans, co-founder of the anti-American group Code Pink, was one of about 300 donors attending the high-priced fundraiser Obama held at the Greystone Mansion in Beverly Hills that brought in approximately $8 million for the Obama campaign and the Democratic party, according to Entertainment Weekly, which published the donor list for the event.

    Obama greeted the elite donors individually and posed for photos with them.

    Days after Palin’s speech, the National Review’s Jim Geraghty suggested to Obama that he cut his ties to Evans.

    Others have urged Obama to cut his ties to Evans over much more egregious behavior. Specifically her support for the terrorists in Iraq, her sympathy for Osama bin Laden, her work with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine America’s war effort, her embrace of Hugo Chavez and her campaign to drive the Marines out of Berkeley–among a long list of treasonous actions.

    Evans has been part of the Obama campaign from its beginning. She co-hosted his breakthrough Hollywood fundraiser in February 2007, the month he launched his candidacy.

    Evans has contributed the maximum $4600 total to Obama’s presidential primary and general election funds. Evans is also listed by the Obama campaign as a bundler of between $50,000 and $100,000 in contributions to his campaign.

    Evans and Code Pink also delivered $600,000 in cash and humanitarian aid to the families of what Code Pink called “the other side” in Fallujah, Iraq as the Marines were liberating that city from al Qaeda in Iraq in late 2004.

    Evans and Code Pink will be in New York City next week where they will be calling for President Bush to be arrested at the United Nations and put on trial for being “the world’s number one war criminal.”

    Barack Obama’s close embrace of Evans as one of the key members of his campaign has been virtually ignored by the media. With six weeks left in the campaign, will they inform the American people that the man who aspires to be commander-in-chief is intimately allied with someone who is working to get American soldiers killed and America defeated in the war on terror?

  113. Pelosi and Kerry lose a fortune in the AIG crash, investment worthless.

    The article states that Speaker Pelosi and Senator Kerry will be hard hit by recent losses in AIG. It claims that Pelosi reported her husband owned between $250,000 and $500,000 in AIG stock, while Kerry reported that his wife held more than $2 million of AIG stock at the end of 2007, when the last disclosure was filed.

    I mention this due to the obvious conflicts of interest that will pop up in coming days and weeks in dealing with the financial situation on Wall Street currently.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aSEtGBXG0C0s&refer=us

    Pelosi, in her most recent financial disclosure form, reported that her husband owned between $250,000 and $500,000 of stock in AIG, which ceded majority control to the U.S. government this week in exchange for $85 billion of loans.

    Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, disclosed that his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, had more than $2 million of AIG stock at the end of 2007, when shares were worth $58.30. AIG has fallen 85 percent this week to close yesterday at $2.69. The lawmakers’ aides didn’t respond to calls seeking comment.

  114. Sarandon, an Obama supporter, dismissed the suggestion that Hillary Clinton had been the victim of sexism during the primaries. “She wasn’t kicked around,” said Sarandon. “She’s the machine. She’s accepted more corporate money than any Republican candidate. I think she’s divisive, I think she’s entitled, and I don’t like her.”

    Afterward, in an informal Q&A session with several dozen BU students, Sarandon opined some more. Asked for her opinion of Sarah Palin, the big-screen siren paused briefly. “Ed Harris said she’s going to be a giant footnote in the annals of moose hunting, and I hope that’s true,” she told the students. “This is a do-or-die election, and the only thing that gives me hope is you guys.”

    http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/09/19/bringing_together_big_screen_royalty/

  115. Hi moon, carby, everyone.I’m busy getting the cottage ready for winter. It was already way below 40 degrees last night. brrrrrr…….

    Here’s an excerpt from BC’s interview last night from ABC political radar.
    What do you think?

    “Clinton predicted the Democrats will win back the White House in November because voters are ready for a change.

    “I think what, what typically happens in these elections if you look throughout American history when the country’s in a fix and you know where we’re going is not sustainable, then there is typically a breakthrough,” he said.

    “I think that the, the people said, ‘Well, they [Republicans] had the Congress and the White House for six of the last eight years. We’re in trouble. We liked Senator McCain. We recognize he’s a little bit of a different kind of Republican. But, we’re gonna make a change.’ And I think that’s where they’ll be and I think that you’ll see a victory for Obama and Biden,” Clinton said.

    However, Clinton, said there could still be “some unforeseen development,” perhaps in the debates, he said, that could threaten a Democratic win.

    “Barring some unforeseen development like in– something happens in the debates we don’t know about. I– I– I– it may not be apparent in the polls until last week or two of the election. But, I believe that it will be apparent on election day. I think that– I think Senator Obama will win this election,” Clinton said.

  116. Yup as i said last night, Sounds like he’s covering bases but aint willing to stick his neck right, sounds like BC knows somethings about to come down the wire.

  117. No surprise about Sarandon, she’s about as left wing as you get, totally comfortable in the communist column i think. She needs a slap.

  118. Sarandon is a witch from way back regarding Hillary. She’s been out of the limelight for a while, I guess she’s another coattail hanger-on for Obama so she can get her 30 seconds of fame in again.

    I loved Donald Trump last night on Greta. He through out that he was still surprised that Hillary hadn’t gotten the nod seeing as she most likely got more than 50% of the votes. He also commented on how badly she was treated.

  119. Listening to MJ and he runs a segment about how to appropriately refer to a political opponent.

    He shows BC’s segment (I quoted parts of it upthread) and when Maria Bartiroma asks him about Palin he praises her innate talent and remarks that her policies are different from his . . .

    then Scarborough switches to a clip of MO who look angry and scowly and nasty and she’s talking about how to choose a candidate and says “And don’t vote for her because she’s cute.” Even Mika had to admit it was sexist and classless.

  120. Being nominated as a supreme optomist I give thanks and still maintain that that the Clintons know that itmight it may and it could happen that the mother of all underhanded and overfunded threat to this country will take a fall from his fairy tale throne and the country must choose draft or create a state of emergency that would make her the CIC and get this country back to its rightful owners THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.You betcha your bippy that Bill and Hillary know about the Tusami that is about to swamp Barack Hussein Obama. Dreams should not be discounted or ridiculed for they do at times come true,Hope lives eternal in the balance of my days and I intend to keep on fighting for Hillary.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS GREAT WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE”

    By ABM90

  121. His position is that he positioned himself to be in a position to take a position.,

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    WHAT?

  122. JM hitting BO HARD at an event covered by FOX.

    Ties BO to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Jim Johnson in charge of BO’s vp pick and that other guy, (?) emphasizing the connection an dsaying those 2 walked off with millions – also talks about his own plan, 2 years ago, to regulate the mortgage market.

    Excellent points and explanatipon.
    Some great digs at BO.

    “Maybe Seanator BO will spare us his lectures and admit his cooperation with the corrupt DC culture.” gotta go. will be back later.

  123. neeta – that was a blog commenter razzing on BO’s waffle-ness.

    Hey, I was out taking kids to school, but hear that McCain is KICKING BO’s ASS in his economic speech:

    “I called for reform and Congress did nothing. This administration did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing.” People like Sen. Obama have beem gaming the system but never have done anything to confront the system…maybe just this once, he can spare us the lectures and just admit to poor judgment.”

  124. Completely off-topic, but I thought I’d lighten up and give you guys a laugh this morning:

    So 17 year old daughter this morning greets me with no hello, no good morning, but the plaintive wail, “Why are you so obsessed with hiding the banana?????!!!”

    HUH???? Wha????? After I wiped the coffee spew from my chin, I began razzing her, “Well, ya know, your dad is a pretty good-looking guy…” She blushes and starts doing the “Ewwwww! Noooo, not parental sex!” thing. ROTFLMAO!

    Turns out that she was annoyed because every morning when she goes into the kitchen for a bite before school, she finds that I have been puttering and have stuck the bananas in a different spot – behind the cereal, on this counter, on that counter….

    She and I laughed about this all the way while taking her to school. This is going to become a stock family joke, I fear. “Mom is obsessed with hiding the banana.”

  125. Obama Releases His ‘In-Your-Face’ Hounds
    By Michelle Malkin
    September 19, 2008

    Warning: If your neighbor’s got an “Obama ’08” bumper sticker or lawn sign, you might want to double-check your door locks at night. The One has commanded his Purveyors of Change to go forth and proselytize to the unbelievers. And they’re not going to be knocking gently like Avon Ladies.

    Barack Obama, you see, is done fixing souls. It’s time to crack heads. Prodded by panicked Democrats to take off his white gloves, he issued a Call to Strong Arm to his legions of angry followers on Wednesday. Hope is out. Hellfire is in. Now, the same analysts who tut-tutted Sarah Palin’s mild use of sarcasm at the GOP convention are heralding — in the words of the Obama water-carriers at the Associated Press — Obama’s “feistier, more sarcastic tone” and his push for Democrat activists “to sharpen their elbows, too.”

    When Republicans get aggressive, it’s “dirty.” When Obama gets aggressive, it’s “feisty.” Exorteth the One: “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

    Team Obama is so committed to this “face-to-face” shock troop campaign that it is now busing activists from state to state (“Drive for Change!”) to target undecided voters — and offering subsidies to volunteers. In advance of Obama’s rally in Nevada, California field director Mary Jane Stevenson organized a pilgrimage to boost the crowd numbers with housing incentives:

    “Face-to-face contact with undecided voters is the single most effective way to grow this movement. No experience is required, and we’ll help you make the trip as easily as possible with either housing in Nevada or discounted group rates at an area hotel.”

    Yep, a bunch of angry Obama cultists and left-wing ACORN drifters are coming to your neighborhoods to accuse you of racism, call you unpatriotic for not bowing down and forking over more taxes to keep the Mother Ship afloat, and check your tire pressure and thermostats while they’re at it. Feel the power of positive change.

    The in-your-face directive comes as Team Obama Chicago-fies its tactics by:

    — Stepping up sleazy ads. Tthe latest one twisted the words of radio talk giant Rush Limbaugh in a laughable attempt to paint John McCain as an immigration hardliner and stir fear among Hispanic voters;

    — Doubling down on the race card. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius shamelessly baited supporters with this line: “Have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African-American? (Republicans) are not going to go lightly into the darkness;”

    — And suppressing dissent. Rebuffed by the Justice Department in their efforts to prosecute conservatives for running ads critical of Obama’s ties to Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, the campaign is using an army of supporters to mob radio and television stations daring to air investigations of the relationship. The foot soldiers receive their marching orders through “Obama Action Wires” and bombard critics with disruptive phone calls.
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    The dead rabbits, the plug uglies, the monk eastmans and the 40 thieves– new york street gangs of the ninteen century doing the bidding of Tammany Hall are back now doing the bidding of the Barcrack Banana in this election. I see where this Selebius is a race baiter too. That should be sufficient to disqualify her for higher public office.

    On a different note, it is imperative that they throw the book at this hacker. It sound to me like he should qualify as legally sane and therefore competent to stand trial. If I were prosecuting the case I would seek a 20 years eligibe for parole in 8 to send a message to all the hackers that their actions do have dire consequences. There is a principle of deterrence here that must be taken seriously and pursed diligently.

  126. “I called for reform and Congress did nothing. This administration did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing.” People like Sen. Obama have beem gaming the system but never have done anything to confront the system…maybe just this once, he can spare us the lectures and just admit to poor judgment
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    I AGREE. THAT IS VERY GOOD. NOT CONFRONTING BUT GAMING THE SYSTEM AND HE NEEDS TO COME CLEAN AND ADMIT IT. THE TIME FOR BAMBOOZLING IS OVER.

  127. then Scarborough switches to a clip of MO who look angry and scowly and nasty and she’s talking about how to choose a candidate and says “And don’t vote for her because she’s cute.” Even Mika had to admit it was sexist and classless.
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    declasse. christian dior cant help. it comes from inside.

  128. Dinasaur media death watch… One more down, too many to go!
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    ABC News is laying off “a handful” of full-time and part-time staffers at its Washington, D.C., bureau, a network source confirmed, marking the latest in a number of job moves and cuts there.

    ABC News had no official comment.

    There was no word on how many staffers would be affected, but according to one source, the number is less than one-dozen. Another source said they would include at least a technical director, an audio engineer, a director, an operations producer and perhaps a scheduler, who determines what shifts people work.

    The cuts come because the network will no longer staff an overnight control room. It has increasingly become a backup for New York, where some of the news-programming production once done out of Washington has moved since the departure of Nightline anchor Ted Koppel and the switch to a multihost format for that show, run out of the Big Apple.

    The layoffs also follow the move of Terry Moran’s major Nightline anchoring duties to New York and ABC News’ ramp-up of HD production, which is being done out of New York. In July, ABC moved Jeff Corwin, director of broadcast operations and engineering in D.C., to New York to work on HDTV production there.

    Up until several weeks ago, Nightline commercials came out of the control room in Washington, but they are now handled in New York. Washington also controlled the camera for Moran’s Nightline reports from D.C.

  129. I just read Anglachel and I am depressed beyond words. On the one hand we have people like Sarandon who have visibility spouting their bullshit without knowing what idiots they are and how harmful they have been in this election and on the other, we have rational, sane people crying for reason and intellect from their little blogs. How did we let go of the most capable candidate? You see this dejection in BC’s interview at the end when he repeats how they have to put their personal politics aside, (perhaps the disappointment, the anger and the frustration..) — I just can’t imagine what must be going through their heads as they watch these idiots especially the one on the Dem side unravels himself and I have to admit he is the luckiest SoB there is. My biggest fear is that he might actually win this. If he does, it will be a triumph of everything that is undemocratic and not to mention resetting the clock back a century for women’s progress. If he wins it validates everything they did in the name of sexism and misogyny. It becomes the gold standard — women have to put with such because they are now playing in the big leagues.

  130. wbboei,

    I absolutely loved that article you posted above. It says it all!

    LOL…I’m beginning to think that the Republicans don’t need to throw the kitchen sink at Obama. He steps into it every time he opens his mouth. 😉

  131. I have no idea what he means. Why do we have to put our personal politics aside? Why should we ever defer to evil? When good people do that tyranny wins.

  132. # wbboei Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I have no idea what he means. Why do we have to put our personal politics aside? Why should we ever defer to evil? When good people do that tyranny wins.
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    I was paraphrasing and conveying my impression. I think I understood what he meant and it was in response to Maria’s question about will she run again? I think BC was saying they somehow have to get through the next couple of years [in spite of the disappointment and frustration] and just do the right thing in terms of what is good for the country and the politics will take care of itself.

  133. pm317, That was my impression, too. Good synopsis.

    BTW, I was pissed at Susan Sarandon’s comments till I remembered she’s a loony left-winger. She’s one of BO’s biggest celeb supporters, and even she can’t make a cogent argument in his favor.

  134. Paula, it is NH all over again but we are the ones crying and while she anticipated these problems then, we are witnesses to them now. Even as we speak, where the hell is he? Where is his plan? Is he waiting for Hillary to release hers and then he could steal it? Is he waiting to see what McCain’s plan is and then steal it? How long will it take before he does that? Where the hell is his leadership, if he has any?

  135. I think BC was saying they somehow have to get through the next couple of years [in spite of the disappointment and frustration] and just do the right thing in terms of what is good for the country and the politics will take care of itself.
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    thanks pm. I see what he is saying. He was talking about what Hillary might do in terms of running again. I agree it is an imponderable at this point. She is doing what is right for the country. The question is will she be listened to.

  136. Where the hell is his leadership, if he has any?
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    He is the negation of the leadership principle. After him-if there is a hereafter-the democratic party can select all future candidates from the loser cast of american idol, and make sure they are obedient to their handlers.

  137. That’s just it. The Dems chose an elementary level guy playing at being a politician. No experience worth mentioning, plenty of corrupt connections, and a rotting soul to boot. The Dems bought that swamp land for an enormous price. They kneeled before an anti-christ in the making and destroyed everything democratic and worthy of making them the better party.

    There is talk that if he can’t speak without a television monitor, if he stumbles with every thought that comes out of his mouth…then how could he have written those ridiculous books of his. There is talk that he borrowed there as well.

    This guy is a walking corpse.

  138. Good article found on bitterpolitcz;

    Joe Biden loses Barack Obama the Catholic vote
    Posted By: Gerald Warner at Sep 19, 2008 at 07:34:17 [General]
    Posted in: Society
    Tags:
    Archbishop Burke , Archbishop Chaput , Joe Biden , Nancy Pelosi

    More, as promised, on Senator Joe Biden (why should Sarah Palin get all the coverage?). Remember, you read it here first: on September 11 this blog reported a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama’s “Catholic” pro-abortion running mate. At that time I estimated eight bishops had come out to denounce Biden; the total is now 55. Beyond that, Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection.

    The story has now hit the secular media. Last Saturday Time magazine asked: “Does Biden Have a Catholic Problem?” By Wednesday the issue had moved onto the front page of the New York Times. Joe the Jinx has blown it, big time. Biden has only himself to blame: he started this war, with his notoriously undisciplined mouth. He knew the dangers. Last August, Archbishop Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and now Prefect of the Apostolic Segnatura in Rome, said communion should be denied to pro-abortion politicians “until they have reformed their lives”.

    Archbishop Chaput of Denver had already announced Biden should not receive communion because of his pro-abortion views. Defiantly, Biden took communion in his home parish in Delaware in late August. On September 2 the Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania (a crucial swing state) banned him from communion in his diocese. That is effective excommunication. Then came the crucial provocation. On NBC’s Meet the Press programme on September 7 Biden grossly misrepresented the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion and audaciously cited St Thomas Aquinas in his own cause.

    Read more blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote

  139. by joan of art, at noquarter (the picture posted there is sickening):
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    am in search of civility from democrats and it is increasingly in scarce order. Case in point. The unflattering photos of John McCain shot by photographer Jill Greenberg for the October cover of the Atlantic magazine. She actually blames the publication for the quality and style of her work saying, “Some of my artwork is pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them (the Atlantic) to hire me.”

    Now, there’s a cop out. But wait, she didn’t stop there. She abused her professional access to McCain to shoot and photo shop additional photos of him and post to her website. Among other offensive images, her McCain portfolio includes one of him with blood coming out of a shark toothed mouth and the title “I AM A BLOODTHIRSTY WARMONGER”.

    For shame, Jill Greenberg. As a fellow artist, I support freedom of expression. But this is not art.

    It is character assassination and propaganda.

    It is political pornography.

    I am growing weary of pacifists who practice their own style of violence. And I am growing really tired of the continual efforts of the democrats to take the comments of John McCain and Sarah Palin out of context and to paint them as war hungry.

    Who is more likely to dread the effects of war and its undeniable horrors? A Beverly Hills fashion photographer like Greenberg or public servants like McCain and Palin who actually both have sons serving in Iraq? And after five and a half years in a P.O.W camp, no one is more qualified to understand what is really at stake than John McCain.

    Like millions of Americans, I want very much for us to find a safe way to exit Iraq and to bring our brave soldiers home. I believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin want that, too. What does Jill Greenberg want? I suspect she wants to get her 15 minutes of fame by lying to her clients and the subject she was hired to shoot. By posting sensationalized photos that would likely cause pain for almost everyone who might view them, including the families of servicemen and women who are in danger or recovery.

    For shame, Jill Greenberg. Really, for shame.

    **************************

    RIGHT ON!!!!!

  140. Poll gives John McCain big Texas lead
    2:07 PM Thu, Sep 18, 2008
    Robert T. Garrett

    A new poll by American Research Group shows John McCain 21 points ahead of Barack Obama in Texas, 57 percent to 36 percent. One key finding is a 2-to-1 McCain advantage among independents.

    Here’s another: After mentioning both Sarah Palin and Joe Biden in the horse race question, the survey found Obama-Biden trailing McCain-Palin among women. They broke for the GOP ticket, 54 percent to 39 percent.

    American Research Group was described by the Capitol Hill publication Roll Call in July as a “GOP firm,” though other news outlets have called its leader, Dick Bennett, a nonpartisan pollster. It interviewed 600 likely Texas voters from Saturday through Tuesday. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/poll-gives-john-mccain-big-tex.html

  141. Msm are now counting heads that should roll in light of the fact that Obama is on the skids and will soon be just another name in our future history as the egotist that would be king and failed the the smell test.It soon will be time to cleanse the perfume from the pig.Since seniority is the standard for longevity there are goin alot off AA hitting the unemployment line.There employment was brief just as I expected. The MSM sees the reality that BO is the odd man out in this race and the support of Walking Eagle has been a costly disaster.Money does not always buy the most reliable product.

    By ABM90

  142. Amen Jan. And every time he stumples Big Media controlled by Big Business comes in to rescue him and bamboozle him. A democracy cannot survive with a dishonest media. Thus, it becomes a question of wheter the American People can see through him. This election is not about racism–the racists on all sides cancel eachother out. It is about who will lead this country in the perilous times ahead. A war hero and reformer who has fought his own party much as he has the opposition. Or a man who is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

  143. Commentary: McCain’s Latino ad hits target, Obama’s misses
    By Ruben Navarrette Jr.

    Editor’s note: Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a member of the editorial board of the San Diego Union-Tribune and a nationally syndicated columnist. Read his column here

    SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) — The new offensive in the presidential election is a Spanish-language air war in which each party is trying to convince Latino voters that the other is no amigo to the nation’s largest minority and that it did them wrong during the immigration debacle in Congress.

    It started last week when the McCain-Palin campaign launched a Spanish ad that, translated, says: “[Barack] Obama and his congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants. But are they? The press reports their efforts were ‘poison pills’ that made immigration reform fail. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his congressional allies: Ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead.”

    This week, the Obama-Biden campaign struck back with Spanish radio and TV ads in the heavily-Latino battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Translated, the TV ad says: “They want us to forget the insults we’ve put up with, the intolerance. They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that lies just to get our vote, and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families.”

    Stop the tape! The spots are hard-hitting, but only one hits the target. The McCain-Palin ad is accurate. But the Obama-Biden ad is riddled with problems.

    For starters, it diverts attention away from Congress by trying to tie John McCain to conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, whose picture appears on-screen and who stands accused of referring to “stupid and unskilled Mexicans” and telling immigrants, “You shut your mouth or you get out.”

    Limbaugh said this week on his radio show that, with the first comment, he was defending the North American Free Trade Agreement and warning against the idea of rewarding “stupid people” with “no skills” in this country — that is, Americans — by keeping their jobs in the United States. He suggested letting “stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work.”

    With regard to the second comment, Limbaugh said he was simply parroting the philosophy behind Mexican immigration laws, which are notoriously harsh on migrants from Central and South America.

    Limbaugh promised listeners that, on Monday’s show, he is going to air Spanish translations of the offending remarks to try to set the record straight and clear the air with Latinos.

    I’ll be listening. But I don’t suppose you could say the same for the folks who created the Obama-Biden ad. It is obvious they don’t speak “dittohead.” They have probably never listened to Limbaugh or any conservative talkers.

    Those of us who do know McCain and his bunch aren’t exactly “Republican friends.” In fact, they’re more like enemies. During the Republican primary, right-wing talk show hosts worked overtime to defeat McCain, preferring the more conservative if less electable alternatives Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee.

    As for the claim that Republicans have dos caras (two faces), welcome to politics. On the immigration issue, if they pay attention, Latinos will find plenty of that from Democrats. That party had to balance a courtship of Latino voters, who wanted immigration reform, with the edicts of organized labor, which did not. Labor won. That’s the whole point of the McCain-Palin ad.

    Finally, as for feeling marginalized in a country you love, I have no doubt that many Latino immigrants do love this country, and they contribute enormously to it. Yet others treat it like an ATM, flout its laws, have no interest in becoming legal or a citizen, and — when they take to the streets — see no irony in demanding rights from one country while waving the flag of another. Guess what? Such things have a way of making you feel marginalized.

    Here’s the shame of it: Both political parties have forgotten how to speak to Latino voters. Instead of explaining how their policies will improve people’s lives, they try to scare the life out of them. That’s unacceptable — in any language.

    The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the writer.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/navarrette.obama.ad/

  144. carby, I could have predicted that Texas poll. We do NOT like Obama. Texans as a rule tend to be very big on self-sufficiency and earning your own damn way, and the sniveling “poor oppressed me” race-baiting of Obama is not going over well here. Texans laugh at the idea of being told they have to vote a certain way or be judged as backward racist yokels. They say, “So what? Since when do I care what Hollywood or Delaware think of me?”

    Texans admire strength and intestinal fortitude, even in women, which is why they liked Hillary, why they liked Ann Richardson, and why they like John and Sarah. We pretty much see Obama as a whiny little pissant with no spine at all.

    Most Texas women could whip Bambi’s ass in a fair fight without mussing their hair, could out ride him, out talk him, out shoot him, out common-sense him, and do it all with a baby slung on one hip while painting their nails. We have no use for that petulant little prancing loafered boy. In the words of the infamous cowboy “Curly” in the Billy Crystal movie: “I crap bigger’n you.”

  145. the latina women at work, think hillary wants them to vote for obama, i am trying to talk to them, but i dont speak spanish, and i’m moving slow. but i think if there isnt more outreach to some of these people, we will lose them to obama…

  146. Carbynew: thanks for posting the article by left wing economist Steven Landsburg. I agree with the conclusion but not the logic. The problem is like so many economists he sees the world as an economic system and thus ignores local customs, national identity and all the other things that make human beings and socities unique. People like him would be perfectly happy seeing a McDonalds sign at the 28,000 foot level of Mount Everest and replicas of the Virgin of Gualdalupe made in Bejing. Not me. If protectionism was so bad then what about monopolies and interational bodies that trump the will of democratic majorities. Plus, he is clueless about Obama. Obama by his own admission is a free trader. What I would say to Steve is one of us is stupid and in this case I do not think it is me. But you are still smart to support McCain because in tough times character is what counts.

  147. Ok lets take bets on how long it takes Obama to plagurise and steal McCains economic reform plan, i give 2 days and 6 hours.

  148. The Obama Gaffe: For $85 Billion, Should We Not At Least Know Their Name?
    September 18, 2008 11:12 PM EDT

    Obama’s political demagoguery and contradictions come at a critical moment. Yesterday, in the largest governmental bailout in American corporate history, the Federal Reserve Board announced that it would lend American International Group, the 18th largest corporation in the world, $85 billion in exchange for a 79.9 percent equity stake in the company. In all probability, this massive infusion of federal funds is just a stop gap measure as the company likely now seeks to liquidate itself in an effort to fend off bankruptcy.

    For Obama, the whole mess is not a time for national unity; it is, rather, great political fodder. This morning, in an effort to extract political gain from the situation, he issued a statement, which said in part:

    “The fact that we have reached a point where the Federal Reserve felt it had to take this unprecedented step with the American Insurance Group is the final verdict on the failed economic philosophy of the last eight years.”

    American Insurance Group? For $85 billion, Obama and his big government, tax and spend economic advisers apparently don’t fret too much over the details in an effort to make their partisan jabs. One wonders if that $85 billion United States Treasury check would even cash had Obama’s Treasury Secretary made it out incorrectly to one “American Insurance Group.”

    After the glaring error was pointed out, the Obama campaign quietly issued a corrected statement. And to be fair, in the frantic nature of a presidential campaign, one should be forgiving to the inevitable misstatements that will occur when some of the world’s most aggressive journalists are following one’s every move through a taxing schedule that often includes up to half a dozen campaign appearances in multiple states in one day.

    http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977452948&grpId=3659174697244816&nav=Groupspace

  149. Obama on FoxNews Proving the Emperor Has No Clothes-Kindergarten Economic Knowledge

    There’s no way in hell 0bama will be able to do the debates without an earpiece or something to put words in his mouth. If he just goes out there on his own, he will be a train wreck. 0bama makes GW Bush look like a scholar when he speaks without prepared remarks.

    What a mess up on the economy, he knows nothing. Did he just vote present again.

    http://www.foxnews.com

  150. That was embarrassing. Question time was rambling and nonsensical garbage.

    Even the reason to have a Press Conference to announce that he hasnt got a plan at the moment, was ludicrous.

    Obama is in WAY over his head and it’s showing on every network for all to see.

    “The key is to get through these turbulent times.” Profound stuff.

    I am in awe as to how clueless he is.

    A translation for anyone who couldnt decipher what he was saying on TV..

    0BAMA: I got no idea. Uh. PRESENT!!!

  151. Paula Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    Bill Clinton’s interview.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=860157194&play=1

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    I just saw a little of the beginning of this interview, but stop watching it because Bill lost me when he kept saying that Obama will win this election and I have great admiration for this man.

    Come on , Bill. Great admiration for a man who basically called you a racist and tried to discredit you as president? 🙁

  152. I mean Obama just said

    “I don’t want to get too detailed” (…because uh well uh I can’t)

    Sweetie, thats what people need to hear and McCain just spelled it out and had your deer in the headlight look.

  153. Obama on FoxNews Proving the Emperor Has No Clothes-Kindergarten Economic Knowledge
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    two problems make him worse than bush. First, he is more articulate, therefore his gaffs are more likely to be seen for what they are–gaffs whereas bush has the artful ability to desguise his gaffs through the gibberish he uses to convey them–stealth. Second, Bambi loves the limelight and is always looking for a balcony to deliver a speech, or a microphone to test out-therefore he his more likely to broadcast his igorance to the world where du by ya is more of the strong silent type–like Gary Cooper sans brain.

  154. # JanH Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 11:29 am
    There is talk that if he can’t speak without a television monitor, if he stumbles with every thought that comes out of his mouth…then how could he have written those ridiculous books of his. There is talk that he borrowed there as well.
    This guy is a walking corpse.
    ******************
    Did Bill Ayers Write Obama’s “Dreams”?
    (Part 1 of 3) http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm

  155. moononpluto Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    That was embarrassing. Question time was rambling and nonsensical garbage.

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    His advisers are on vacation, catching the last rays of sun for this summer.

  156. moononpluto Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    Ok lets take bets on how long it takes Obama to plagurise and steal McCains economic reform plan, i give 2 days and 6 hours.
    *****************************************************
    I don’t think so this time moon. McCain has put Obama in a box by waiting so long to release his economic plan during a wall street meltdown, his plan that is being disseminated globally right now.

    Then Hillary came out with her own economic plan that was confirmed by Bill Clinton right away and Chuck Shumer came out with the hard left position of a tired retread of FDR 1932 plan, that included the Federal Courts being the one to set the price on each mortgage that cross their desk…the financial markets hate this one so much they don’t even talk about it at all now.

  157. I really hope that Hillary doesn’t prop Obama up with her economic plan…rewrite history and say it’s his as well…etc…

  158. Yesterday McCain was saying ‘fire the SEC chairman’, and BHO was saying “fire all the administration”. Well the Bush administration needs no firing, they will expire next January. The question should really be: Who you will hire after Bush? A high tax ‘neighborly’ (BHO’s words on O’Reilly) and ‘patriotic’ (Biden’s words yesterday) extreme left wing who “does not know what to do” (Reid’s words yesterday) or a proven patriot and maverick who demonstrated his ability to work towards the center? McCain should have an ad on this line.

  159. Question for the board (because I don’t have a lot of people I talk to about this election!). What do your friends, relatives who are tuning into the election now think about what happened in the Dem primary? In other words, do they know what happened, do they know how DNC manipulated to push Hillary out? Do they wonder why Hillary is not the nominee?

    BTW, Trump did a great job on Greta talking about Hillary and how HE can’t understand why she was not the nominee.

  160. admin Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    B.O.’s stinky rally in Coral Gable, Florida was just disrupted by a group called Blacks Against Obama.

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    Priceless.

  161. A Call For Hearings Into Senator Barack Obama’s Violation Of The Logan Act

    rallycongress.com/americansentinel/1223/a-call-for-hearings-into-senator-barack-obamas-violation-of-the-logan-act/

  162. New Elon poll: McCain rates higher with N.C. voters
    September 19, 2008 – 12:03PM
    By Mike WIlder / Times-News

    ELON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain fared better than his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, when North Carolinians were asked about their opinions of the two candidates.

    Fifty-four percent of people surveyed in an Elon University Poll view McCain favorably, compared to 37 percent who view Obama favorably.

    Asked about the vice presidential candidates, Republican Sarah Palin was viewed favorably by 49 percent. The Democratic candidate, Joe Biden, was viewed favorably by 41 percent.

    Sixty-seven percent of people surveyed said the vice presidential candidates will have at least some impact on how they vote.

    Asked which party they plan to support in the presidential race, 40.5 percent said they plan to support the Republican Party and 35 percent plan to support the Democratic Party. Twenty percent were undecided.

    The poll was conducted Monday through Thursday, with results released Friday. The poll was taken by the Elon University Institute for Politics and Public Affairs and surveyed 411 North Carolina residents. It is a sample of the general population and does not restrict participation based on voter eligibility or likelihood to vote.

    The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percent

    The poll did not include a direct question about how people would vote in a match-up between McCain and Obama. Five surveys taken in North Carolina in September show McCain leading Obama, with the margin ranging from one percentage point to 20 percentage points, according to polling information available at http://www.realclearpolitics.com.

    The poll also asked people about their opinions in this year’s U.S. Senate race and governor’s race:

    n In the Senate race between Republican incumbent Elizabeth Dole and Democratic challenger Kay Hagan, people were split evenly as to which party they plan to support. Thirty-five percent said they plan to support the Democratic Party in the race, and 35 percent plan to support the Republican Party.

    Forty percent of people said they approve of Dole, compared to 45 percent who said they disapprove. Thirty-six percent said they approve of Hagan, with 34.5 percent disapproving.

    n In the governor’s race between Democratic candidate Bev Perdue and Republican candidate Pat McCrory, 37 percent said they plan to support the Republican Party and 35 percent plan to support the Democratic Party.

    McCrory have the approval of 37 percent of people surveyed and had a disapproval rating of 33.5 percent. Perdue had the approval of 37 percent of people surveyed and a disapproval rating of 34 percent.

    The poll asked people about what issues they think are most important nationally and statewide:

    — People asked about the top issues nationally most often mentioned the economy. Ninety-two percent of people surveyed said the economy will affect how they vote. Eighty-six percent mentioned health care, 84 percent mentioned the Iraq war and 83 percent mentioned taxes.

    — Top issues facing North Carolina were the economy (47 percent) energy and gas prices (10.5 percent) and elementary and secondary education (10 percent).

    — Eight-one percent of people surveyed think the country is “on the wrong track,” up slightly from a little more than 79 percent in April.

    People were also asked about the role of race, age and gender in the presidential election:

    — Asked about the role of race in presidential election, 96 percent said it makes no difference in how they will vote, up from 90 percent in April. With “all other things being equal,” 3 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a white person and less than 1 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a black person.

    Results were similar to an Elon Poll taken in April when people were asked if they know someone who won’t vote for a presidential candidate who is black. Nearly 55 percent said they do.

    — Asked about age, with “all other things being equal,” 74 percent said a candidate’s age would make no difference, up from 66 percent in April.

    Fifteen percent said they’d prefer to vote for a young person and 7.5 percent said they’d rather vote for an old person.

    — Asked is they “know people that will not vote for a presidential candidate because the candidate for vice-president is a woman,” 72 percent said no and 23.5 percent said yes.

    http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/percent_17805___article.html/poll_mccain.html

  163. What do your friends, relatives who are tuning into the election now think about what happened in the Dem primary? In other words, do they know what happened, do they know how DNC manipulated to push Hillary out? Do they wonder why Hillary is not the nominee?
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    If I told you they understood what happened I would be lying. But that is understandable because Hillary never pushed that issue. Anything she did not push that was favorable to her big media censored. If Obama wins we will end up with what Jefferson tried to avoid through the First Amendment–government control of the press. It will be run for the big business interests that control both Obama and the media. That is the concern.

  164. pm317 Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
    moon, my thoughts exactly and why in FL again?
    ==========

    I agree too, wonder what happened to all those fainters????

  165. On the off chance that those “Blacks against Obama” are legit, I just want to say that I think they are extremely brave to go against the majority of their fellow AA’s.

    Nice to see that not everyone has drunk the tainted Kool Aid.

  166. Asked about the role of race in presidential election, 96 percent said it makes no difference in how they will vote, up from 90 percent in April. With “all other things being equal,” 3 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a white person and less than 1 percent said they’d prefer to vote for a black person.
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    This is pure unadulterated bullshit. The AAs voted 96%. And there are an equivalent number of non-AAs for whom it was a deteemining factor as well pro or con. There is a bradley effect–but it cuts both ways and it cancels itself out. I believe that.

  167. Hillary may very well come out of this as did Al Gore in 2000…with greater respect, power and influence. She has risen above what the DNC did to her, and Americans of both parties respect and seek her council.

  168. Knights of Columbus Scold Biden for Comments on Abortion

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/19/knights-of-columbus-scold-biden-for-comments-on-abortion/

  169. Admin: After lurking at various blogs throughout the blogosphere, thank you very much, for keeping this site, a mostly troll free area. It is greatly appreciated.

  170. Hillary may very well come out of this as did Al Gore in 2000…with greater respect, power and influence. She has risen above what the DNC did to her, and Americans of both parties respect and seek her council
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    In a rational universe uncorrupted by politics and informed by an honest media most definitely. Yes.

  171. indy, I watched the entire interivew. Bill never said he had great admiration for Obama. He said McCain was a great man but that he thought BO would win the election for economic reasons, etc.

    BTW, BO is clearly being helped in the polls by the economic crisis. The economic meltdown is terrible for the country but lucky for him.

  172. BTW, BO is clearly being helped in the polls by the economic crisis. The economic meltdown is terrible for the country but lucky for him.

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    I don’t see, why, it is helping him, when he hasn’t even come out with an economic plan.

  173. # JanH Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    SHV,
    Thanks for the link on Ayers.
    **************
    When I read the title of that piece I thought “this kinda of crazy stuff doesn’t help”…then I read it and it makes sense. Obama has never written anything that we know about, tries for more than a year to write a book without success and then a miracle..a pretty good book that sounds a lot like William Ayers’ book and then another book and then nothing since.

  174. Paula Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
    indy, I watched the entire interivew. Bill never said he had great admiration for Obama. He said McCain was a great man but that he thought BO would win the election for economic reasons, etc.

    BTW, BO is clearly being helped in the polls by the economic crisis. The economic meltdown is terrible for the country but lucky for him.

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    My bad!!!!!!

    I listened to the clip again and now clearly heard Bill say that he never concealed his respect and admiration for Senator McCain. When I originally heard it, I thought he said Obama! Now I feel better.

    Did anyone hear during the Palin interview when Sean asked her about the 30 people investigating her in Alaska? She said that she didn’t see them, but she hopes that they spend lots of money there and boost the Alaska economy(paraphrase). She said it with such confidence and with a smile. I am liking this lady more and more. She doesn’t seemed to be worried about them.

    I think Sean has a crush on Sarah Palin. 😉

  175. The Sarah Palin phenomenon and the lift it gave the Republican presidential ticket may have cooled somewhat, in part because it was bound to and in part because the nation’s financial crisis seems to have refocused the attention of many voters.

    Still, Palin is made for TV — as well as trained in it. Combine those attributes with an appearance on the network whose viewers are overwhelmingly in sync with her politics — Fox News Channel — and you’ve got a match made in Nielsen ratings heaven.

    Wednesday night’s Hannity & Colmes program featuring the first of two interview segments with Palin gave the show its second-highest total viewership for 2008 (and its third highest for the oh-so-important 25-to-54-year-old demographic).

    An estimated 4.921 million folks tuned in on Wednesday to hear Palin reveal to Sean Hannity that she had watched — but with the sound turned off — Tina Fey’s much-anticipated inaugural impersonation of her on “Saturday Night Live.” (The Republican vice presidential nominee also discussed an array of other topics.)

    The only higher viewership this year for Hannity & Colmes — 4.948 million — was on Sept. 3. And what was happening that night? The nation was awaiting Palin’s speech to the Republican National Convention.

    (In another sign of the interest in the presidential campaign, the conventions for both parties attracted almost two-thirds of all U.S. households, as detailed by our friend Mark Silva at the Swamp.)

    Courtesy of a very proud Fox PR department, here’s how the competition among the three main cable news networks played out in the 9-10 p.m. EDT time slot Wednesday:

    FNC’s Hannity & Colmes: 4,921,000 viewers (1,391,000 in the 25-54 demo).

    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow: 1,716,000 viewers (635,000 in the 25-54).

    CNN’s Larry King: 1,646,000 viewers (630,000 in the 25-54).

    — Don Frederick

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-pro.html
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    Outside of the obvious love for Sarah Palin, the other good news is that Rachael Maddow is beating Keith Olberman as the top rated MSNBC show.

    I wonder how long it will be when Keith will turn on his protege’, if she continue to beat him in the ratings?

  176. Paula,

    After comments and actions by Reid and Peluso in recent days, as well as the airbrain comments of Obama regarding the economy, I don’t think the dems are going to benefit from this for very long. The only shining moment was Hillary’s speech on the economy. McCain is killing Obama in an area where he used to be called weak.

  177. Hannity all smiles and servility in Palin interview

    Talk show host Sean Hannity and Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin came together for what Fox News Channel promoted as an exclusive interview.

    But, in truth, what viewers saw was a carefully staged display of partisan political theater — from the executive-office backdrop to the non-stop stream of smiley-faced softball questions Hannity served up with great servility.

    In TV terms, the imagery was impressive, with an American flag over her left shoulder, a richly appointed china cabinet off to the side and thick carpeting throughout. Every table had flowers in a fine vase. It was all supposed to remind viewers of the White House while sending the message: Look how comfortable and natural she looks here.

    Typical of their staged conversation was the following exchange:

    Hannity: “Senator Obama yesterday was attacking Senator McCain for saying the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Do you believe the fundamentals of the economy are strong?”

    Palin: “It was an unfair attack on the verbiage… because he (McCain) means our work force, of course, and that is what’s strong… So, that was an unfair attack.”

    Note that she didn’t answer the question. Instead, she used it as an opening to attack Obama. And Hannity let her go run with that – rather than asking the question again or pointing out that she didn’t answer it.

    Even on the friendly confines of the Fox News Channel with Hannity serving up heaping helpings of home cooking, she couldn’t get it right. Her handlers might want to re-think letting her face as skilled an interviewer and journalist as Katie Couric on CBS.

    Here’s another exchange representative of her empty rhetoric:

    Hannity: “Who’s responsible for these failing institutions on Wall Street?”

    Palin: “Corruption on Wall Street that’s what’s to blame …There’s a toxic waste on Wall Street affecting Main Street, and we gotta cure it.”

    Hannity did get Palin’s reaction to Tina Fey’s widely acclaimed parody of her last week on NBC’s Saturday Night Live, but even that had the feel of damage control talking points rather than any kind of genuine response.

    Palin: “I thought it was hilarious…spot on.”

    Instead of informed answers, it looks like Palin’s handlers have been concentrating on her hair in recent days. I think they saw how strange and bunned-up and it looks when they saw it parodied by Fey and now they are trying to soften the look.

    Too little, too late.

    weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2008/09/hannity_all_smiles_and_servili.html
    ******************************************************
    Palin must have been good for them to attack Sean Hannity and go after her Obama attack.

    I like the one where she said “I didn’t mean to hurt his feelings….”

  178. McCain was playing possum, he knew Obama would have been saying “me too” in the debates and copying his plan if he came out too early.

    Obama is a snake, I still don’t think we’ve seen the real Obama and I’m afraid we will once he get in the White House.

    Just got a bad feeling on this guy. Don’t Trust Him At All.

  179. After comments and actions by Reid and Peluso in recent days, as well as the airbrain comments of Obama regarding the economy, I don’t think the dems are going to benefit from this for very long. The only shining moment was Hillary’s speech on the economy. McCain is killing Obama in an area where he used to be called weak
    ———————————————
    I agree. A video connecting those dots is essential. They have got to be continually connecting the dots and repeating the message. What Freckles said yesterday about this is essential. Otherwise the message gets lost in the vomit that comes out of idiots like Sarandon.

  180. Son Of Memphis Democratic Rep. Admits He’s The Palin Hacker
    By Michele Masterson, ChannelWeb
    12:10 PM EDT Fri. Sep. 19, 2008

    Democratic Rep. Mike Kernell of Tennessee unveiled the hacker who broke into Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s e-mail—his 20-year-old son, David Kernell.

    After a flurry of Internet discussions naming his son as the culprit, Rep. Kernell confirmed that his son was behind the infiltration, according to The Tennesseean. The paper said Kernell talked to his son Thursday.

    “The person they’re talking about is my son,” said Kernell. “But we know of no investigation. I have not been contacted. He has not been contacted,” Kernell told a Memphis TV station.

    The FBI and Secret Service have not confirmed that David Kernell is a suspect. However, the TV station said the FBI in Anchorage, Alaska, has contacted the Memphis FBI bureau in the investigation.

    Internet chat rooms posted e-mails from David Kernell—who had not been publicly identified as the hacker at that point—in which he said that the intrusion started off as a “prank” but then he tried to get some dirt on Palin.

    “I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be,” the e-mails said. “I read though the e-mails ALL OF THEM before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor and pictures of her family.”

    On the Internet 4chan forum David Kernell, using the pseudonym Rubico, detailed how easy it was to gain access to Palin’s e-mail.

    “After the password recovery was re-enabled, it took seriously 45 mins on wikipedia and google to find the info, Birthday? 15 seconds on wikipedia, zip code? well she had always been from wasilla, and it only has 2 zip codes (thanks online postal service!),” Rubico wrote.

    “The second was somewhat harder, the question was “where did you meet your spouse?” did some research, and apparently she had eloped with mister palin after college, if youll look on some of the screensh*ts that I took and other fellow anon have so graciously put on photobucket you will see the google (NSDQ:GOOG) search for “palin eloped” or some such in one of the tabs.

    “I found out later though more research that they met at high school, so I did variations of that, high, high school, eventually hit on “Wasilla high” I promptly changed the password to popcorn and took a cold shower.”

    The cold shower must’ve woken Kernell up. He said he later realized the seriousness of what he did.

    “It finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this sh*t ever got to the FBI I was f—ed, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapid [share] all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state.”

    Gabriel Ramuglia, the Web master and operator of Ctunnel.com, the browsing proxy service used by Kernell, confirmed that he was contacted by the FBI and that he provided them with information.

    Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton called the hacking “outrageous.” Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz said, “The fact that a Democratic activist—and possibly an Obama supporter—could go to these lengths is deeply disturbing and criminal,” according to The New York Post.

    http://www.crn.com/security/210602693
    ******************************************************How many bodies under Obama’s bus?

  181. Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton called the hacking “outrageous.”
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    I have seen Burton. I know the type. It only becomes outrageous when his ally is caught.

  182. I just came from over my girlfriends house. We started discussing the election. I told her i was not for Obama, she said you are not? I told her no i am not. She said her granddaughter who is 19 is not for Obama either. I told her her granddaughter was smart and not like the rest of these teenagers who are not thinking. I talked to her about McCain and Obama. I also referred her to this website. I told her Obama only wants our vote, and we will be thrown under the bus like everyone else.

  183. This was in an e-mail that I received re: Palin’s disinvite from the U.N.Event.

    Posted: 18 Sep 2008 08:06 PM CDT

    The word is that the organizers of the Rally faced some pretty hard pressure from the Obama Camp. The DNC made some crystal clear phone calls to the event organizers saying that they are taking names and will kick ass on this one. If Obama wins, there will be retribution for anyone (or organization) that does not tow the line and get Palin thrown off the invite list. The McCain/Palin is polling very well in the Jewish community, and the DNC is petrified of the imagery of Sarah Barracuda hurling fireballs at the Persian maniac. That image is absolute red meat for the lovers of America and Israel and attract new voters.

    Ladies and Gentlemen this is the real face of the Democratic Party. This is how they REALLY feel about bi-partisanship. If they truly gave a rats ass about Israel and the Iranian threats they would be happy to have as many big shots as possible beating up on the Iranian nutjob. Shame on the organizing groups for giving in. At the bottom of this post is their information. If you haven’t done so yet, PLEASE call or email. McCain response to the “Un-invite” follows:

    The McCain camp has issued a statement in the candidate’s name:
    Throughout my political career, I have sought to rise above partisanship on critical national issues. Nowhere is this more true than on important matters of national security. Earlier this year, Senator Clinton, Senator Obama and I issued a joint statement on the genocide in Darfur and pledged to support efforts to bring it to an end. Earlier this month, Senator Obama and I put the campaign aside to commemorate the seventh anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on our country and talk about the importance of national service.

    Next Monday, the day before Iranian President Ahmadinejad is to speak before the United Nations General Assembly, several organizations will sponsor an event to draw attention to the importance of halting Iran’s efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. Governor Palin and I share a strong belief that a nuclear armed Iran poses a grave threat to the security of Americans and to our allies. Iran is the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. The risk that Iran would provide terrorists with a nuclear weapon is too great for the world to ignore. Iranian President Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust occurred and called Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ A nuclear-armed Iran would destabilize the entire region.

    Preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons should be a shared goal of every American, not another occasion for partisan posturing.

    Governor Palin was pleased to accept an invitation to address this rally and show her resolve on this grave national security issue, regrettably that invitation has since been withdrawn under pressure from Democratic partisans. We stand shoulder to shoulder with Republicans, Democrats and independents alike to oppose Ahmadinejad’s goal of a nuclear armed Iran. Senator Obama’s campaign had the opportunity to join us. Senator Obama chose politics rather than the national interest.

    DON’T LET THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY INFRINGE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH. IF THEY CARED ABOUT ISRAEL/IRAN HILLARY WOULD NOT HAVE BACKED OUT.

    Below are some of the contact info for some of the events sponsors, Please call, email etc. demand that they do not pull Governor Palin from the speakers list:

    Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations

    633 Third Avenue
    New York, NY 10017
    Phone: 212-318-6111
    Fax: 212-644-4135 Email: info@conferenceofpresidents.org

    The Israel Project
    Washington DC Office Phone: 202-857-6644
    Fax: 202-857-6674
    Email: info@theisraelproject.org

    United Jewish Communities info@ujc.org
    Telephone: 212.284.6500

    UJA of NY Events
    Mindy Rubin
    1.212.836.1829

    rubinm@ujafedny.org

    Please email me at yidwithlid@aol.com to be put onto my mailing list. Feel free to reproduce any article but please link back to yidwithlid.blogspot.com

  184. Thug: Vicious or brutal ruffian

    Bully: Person using strength or power to coerce others by fear; persecute or oppress by force or threats

    (Oxford Dictionary)

    To gain membership into the Obama Club, those two characteristics listed above must be front and center in your psyche.

    Please do not apply to this club if you are honest, decent, caring, and above all patriotic.

  185. Repost??

    “If Obama is elected, he will designate his choice for the chairmanship, and DNC members would be expected to ratify his decision at a meeting immediately after Inauguration Day on Jan. 20.’

    http: / / tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/

    No more elections for DNC chair..The Glorious Leader will assume that burden..After watching the primary, the convention and now the announcement that Obama will appoint the next DNC chair, I am beginning to think that Obama’s Stalinist mentor, Frank, really did have an important influence on Barry.

  186. neetabug Says:
    His position is that he positioned himself to be in a position to take a position.,

    _______________

    WHAT?

    ============

    LOL! I’d love to see the original and a cite for that!

  187. neetabug,

    If Obama has an earpiece in his ear and they allow him to keep it, then this debate will be rife with corruption and I hope McCain screams out loud and clear.

  188. neetabug Says:
    If Obama does have an earpiece in his ear, I hope there is someone sitting in the audience with a jamming device.
    ===============

    :-))))!! Or give him the wrong prompts!

  189. turndownobama, that was from a commenter at NQ, paraphrasing the gist of Obama on the economy. Cracked me up!

  190. pm317…the “tennis thingy” too funny…

    I have been saying watching O read the teleprompter is like watching someone getting whiplash…

    but the ‘tennis thingy’ is better…

    ****************************
    Susan Sarandon is ridiculous…yeah, she is such a great judge of character with her total support for John Edwards and rants against Hillary…

    the far left is becoming a big joke…a big sad joke

  191. Obama dropped himself right in it.

    Iranian president takes Obama up on offer (it’s your move, Barry)

    UNITED NATIONS – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad put Barack Obama on the spot Thursday, offering to debate with both U.S. presidential candidates when he arrives at the United Nations next week . Obama said early in his campaign that, as president, he would be prepared to meet the leaders of U.S. foes such as Iran and Syria. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he’ll gladly debate Barack Obama and John McCain. The statement sparked a sharp rebuke from Republican candidate John McCain, who argued it showed the Illinois senator’s inexperience in knowing how to deal with recalcitrant leaders on the world stage. Leading UN powers have been in a standoff with Iran over that country’s refusal to roll back its nuclear ambitions, which the United States and its allies believe are aimed at producing a nuclear bomb. Canada has also led criticism at the UN of Iran’s human rights record, which two leading monitoring groups said in a report Thursday had reached “new lows” since Ahmadinejad became president in August 2005. “I am ready to have a televised debate over global issues with U.S. presidential nominees at the United Nations,” Ahmadinejad told Press TV, Iran’s state-run satellite news network. He also dismissed the possibility of Israeli military action against Iran, and said the UN’s headquarters should be moved out of the U.S. Ahmadinejad spoke ahead of a meeting Friday of six world powers that have offered Iran incentives to freeze uranium enrichment, which has the potential of producing fuel for nuclear-bomb production. The U.S. and its allies want to impose ever-increasing sanctions. “Those who want to impose sanctions are demonstrating their helplessness,” Ahmadinejad said. A spokesman for Obama’s campaign did not return a call for comment on whether the democratic presidential candidate would be willing to meet with the Iranian leader.

  192. Son Of Memphis Democratic Rep. Admits He’s The Palin Hacker

    ……………………………

    Little chip off the old turd.

  193. kostner Says re ABC news layoffs:
    Dinasaur media death watch… One more down, too many to go!
    =======

    Off-topic, but, Kostner, what is going to replace the big dinosaurs? I agree that in principle Huntley-Brinkley pretending to be unbiased was due for replacement by people who show their biases. But now all we seem to get is extremists on either side. Who is going to finance real ‘breaking news’ in depth stuff?

  194. Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton called the hacking “outrageous.” Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz said, “The fact that a Democratic activist—and possibly an Obama supporter—could go to these lengths is deeply disturbing and criminal,” according to The New York Post.

    ******

    And what about all the caucus fraud, death threats, hacking into pro-Hillary sites and blogs from Obama supporters…?

    C’mon Bill Burton. ‘Fess up.

  195. Speaking of which, the “teleprompter turd” really dropped his ass in it today with the economy, he knows nothing.

  196. That McCain ad on Biden is TOOOOOO funny! His ad team has the whole subtly mocking thing down to an art, and seem to be very aware that the best thing to do with puffed-up blowhards is not to attack, but to giggle at them.

    The fireworks in this video crack me up. BTW, I know what Biden was trying to say, and agree in part. But I am still laughing my ass off at how he framed it in a way that gave McCain the perfect opening. I have been yelling at my party for years that they DO NOT HAVE A CLUE how to frame this so the voters get it, and I keep being proved right. Hill knew how. Bill knew how. These clowns keep stepping in it with their high-minded “let’s all feel guilty” pronouncements.

  197. S Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    pm317…the “tennis thingy” too funny…

    —————
    We’re in NY for US Open, about three weeks ago and we had a lot of fun saying to one another “we’re doing an Obama.” I hope people around us heard us. 🙂

  198. H4T, I am patriotic enough that I will never complain about the taxes in general. But Obama’s 28% on home sale profits galls me. I will never ever agree to that. Like BC in his CNBC interview said, most of us little people have all our life savings in our homes and this nincompoop wants to tax us on it 28%.

  199. # jbstonesfan Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Hillary may very well come out of this as did Al Gore in 2000…with greater respect, power and influence. She has risen above what the DNC did to her, and Americans of both parties respect and seek her council.

    ******
    I hope so jbstonesfan – Gore came out of the election like a man of steel – and spoke his mind. Remember how he damned the Bush Administration while they were deciding to go to war with Iraq? Gore knew it was a mistake then.

    I hope that Clinton comes through it similarly – when the election is over and she is no longer the hostage of the DNC – she will speak her mind and lead a new movement of Democrats who have backbones.

  200. wbboei Says:

    September 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Obama= The Wall Street Puppet–doesnt sell on main street–ya think

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    Says it all!

    When McCain talks about Obama’s ‘bosses’ or wahtever the word was, who does he mean? Pelosi, or worse? Maybe you should send some info to McCain….

  201. a few things about Limbaugh this morning:

    Good quote, and I paraphrase: Obama is using old segregationist tactics and is race-baiting, and it’s coming directly from him. Anyone who does this doesn’t deserve the Presidency.

    Bad quote, and I paraphrase: [plays Bill Clinton audio of complimenting Palin that she has “good instincts”] Bill’s only doing that because he’s setting himself up for a date.

  202. God, I hate that fake fucking piece of shit!!! GRRRR!! What’s with him all of a sudden dropping the ends of words…Polis-eh…set-l down…Les git back teh work…is he friggin’ supposed to be black and southern now?!

    Anyway, could anyone read what the protesters signs said? All I could see was the big black “KKK”‘s. LOL!

  203. You are right when you say that Big Media however tries to create the impression that Obama is winning. They insist that Obama is ahead in the national polls and ahead in the electoral votes 233 to 189. They are doing this in order to keep donations to the Obama camp coming in and to instill a sense of inevitability and conformity in the voters.

    Nobama!!!!!!!! We want and need Hillary that is why we must Donate to Phillip Berg and help him pursue the case he filed against Obama. Go to:

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/
    relish

  204. Says on Yahoo news that Hillary is recruiting her backers to support Obama. Must get over it.

    Sorry folks, I am becoming more and more peeved at her. She doesn’t have to do this.

    Maybe she REALLY wants Obama to win. Party before country.

  205. independent2008,

    How do you know that “she doesn’t have to do this?”

    I’m just saying that if Obama’s keepers bullied hard to keep Palin from that even in N.Y., who’s to say that Hillary isn’t getting oppressed by that mob as well?

    Maybe she’s playing the game while Bill does the leg work for the future.

  206. # JanH Says:
    September 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
    independent2008,
    How do you know that “she doesn’t have to do this?”
    I’m just saying that if Obama’s keepers bullied hard to keep Palin from that even in N.Y., who’s to say that Hillary isn’t getting oppressed by that mob as well?
    Maybe she’s playing the game while Bill does the leg work for the future.
    **************
    She only has to play the game for six more weeks. She is working her ass off in the Senate trying to save the economy and trying to prevent the latest assault by the Bushites on women’s health. If she wasn’t playing ball, Harry Reid would shut down everything that she is trying to do and screw the consequences for the American people. Obama and Reid admit that they are clueless but keep shitting on Hillary. I can’t wait for Nov 5 and the beginning of pay back.

  207. So this is how I want the presidential debate to go:

    Mr. Obama? What is your plan for fixing the economy?

    …ahem…well…er…blah…blah…blah…four score and….then well….well…and finally McCain is at fault for all of this…

    One minute for rebuttal Senator McCain…

    McCain: I would just like to say that my friend over there has just spent 5 minutes complaining about what a terrible place America is but has yet to answer your question. Now here is my answer and it will only take 2 minutes tops!

  208. Though far less responsible for climate change, African-Americans are significantly more vulnerable to its effects than non-Hispanic whites,” the report says.

    You white folks create all this climate change, and we non-whites just keep paying for it. I hope ya’ll are ashamed. 😉

  209. Idunn, they have lost their minds. Everything that ass said could apply to ALL poor people, white or black. Gimme a break. Is EVERY freaking issue under the sun a “special” black issue? I swear these so called leaders talk about black people like they were not even a part of the rest of the human race.

  210. So this is how I want the presidential debate to go:

    Mr. Obama? What is your plan for fixing the economy?

    …ahem…well…er…blah…blah…blah…four score and….then well….well…and finally McCain is at fault for all of this…

    ********

    I guess it’s: a noun, a verb, and McCain’s fault.

  211. Obama22 blacks against obama: thanks very much. I love what you and your group are doing to highlight the truth in this election and beyond.

    Hillary and Bill really do want what is best for this country, and when they seek political power it is to the people who need it and to see this country succeed. Notice how both of them were there immediately to speak to the financial crisis, while Obama was trying to use it for election purposes.

    I converted to Hillary roughly a decade ago. Before that I was a Republican. If I had been a lifelong democrat I might not see her as clearly as I do. The more I watch her handle the best and the worst that public life can deal you and see her anticipate problems and deal with them before they become a crisis and rise above self interest to what is best for the country, the more I am in awe of the woman and know she is the greatest political leader and statesman of our time. That is why they have written 70 books about her. Can you think of another living person that is true of? I certainly cannot.

    One of my dad’s favorite sayings was: never wish for anything too much because you may have the misfortune of getting it. Obama wants to be president and naively assumes it will be all beer and skittles. I do not think he will win but if he does he will learn after the honeymoon ends that it is much more difficult to govern than it is to run for public office–as four is to one.

    All the things he denigrated Hillary and Bill for including experience in Washington will be critical. The Great Society Programs he was bantering about are no longer feasible given the current financial crisis, and the people who counted on them will weary of him blaming them on Bush.

    When this fever has passed and the country needs a brilliant problemsolver and great leader the Hillary brand will be back in fashion and the next time no cabal of Big Media whores will be permitted to stand in the way of what is best for this country.

  212. 1. Lets be honest here, between WE the people over the Democratic Party, Hillary Rodham Clinton will choose her party over us anytime of the day. She’s a party member, we are purely incidentals. Although I am one her supporters, I’m not blind about her politics; it is what it is. She’s standing up for her party, we should stand up what is best for our country, our own life, our own welfare.
    Blind faith is the cause of abuse by those in power because the people can’t admit to the fact, a politician’s loyalty is seldom for the people. If we can find a politician who put the welfare of the people ahead of its own political party, we’re lucky; because in the scheme of things, especially in politics, that only comes once in a blue moon.

    2. As for the sentiment regarding The Clintons’ backing of
    Nobama, it’s disgraceful. I told them so in an email to them yesterday when they asked me for money. They’ve sold their souls to the devil, as far as I’m concerned. You all can rake me over the coals as much as you’d like, but there comes a time when you have to stand for something; not lie on your back and get screwed with your pants on … HILLARY!!!

    3. Oh lord was watching my soap opera and they showed a commercial for the View and guess who’s coming on…..give up… one more guess……. Bill Clinton…more talk about how Wonderful BO is…. gag.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————

    These are some comments from another board, not mine own although I pretty much agree with it. OK last straw, I need to stop reading about the Clintons until after the election. Tlhis has gotten ridiculous. This news is being put out to “get in our faces” as Obama likes to put it.

    Seems like no one is above politics. I’ll believe it when I see it!

  213. I swear these so called leaders talk about black people like they were not even a part of the rest of the human race.

    That’s cause we’re special. Everything affects us differently from the rest of the human race. Take litter for instance…you white folks have no respect for the environment with all your careless trash tossing. We non-whites, on the other hand , litter because we are economically deprived. It’s true. If you look at the ratio of trash recepticals in white neighborhoods vs black neighborhoods, you’d understand. The man is keeping us from doing the right thing by denying us trash cans!

  214. Also, us non-whites don’t have the ability to make money and better our lives. Bet you didn’t know that, did you? Ask Clyburn, he’ll tell you. All us non-whites live in slums…we’re all poor…we all get food stamps and wic checks…and go to terrible schools…and we all come under the thumb of you white devils.

    It’s just how it is.

  215. Idunn, LMAO! I tell you what, I feel so white and guilty now for having my beat up old WalMart trashcan with the broken lid, I’m gonna run right out and vote for Obama to salve my soul. He grew up with no trashcans, struggling all the way against that white devil just to throw away his Coke can, whereas my white ass had hefty bags. Oh, I am so ashamed.

  216. Former Hillary Clinton Activists Miguel D. Lausell and Luchy Secaira Endorse John McCain

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/6ad4a193-94c8-413c-94a4-3fb6d72a14ee.htm

    The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced the endorsement of Miguel D. Lausell, Senior Political Advisor to Hillary Clinton, and Clinton Delegate-at-Large Luchy Secaira. “Although I supported Hillary during the primaries, I now support John McCain and Governor Palin because I am putting my country first,” said Secaira, former Hillary Clinton Florida Delegate-at-Large. “They have the experience and judgment to lead America through these difficult times, and I trust them to work with Democrats to do the right thing for our country.” Lausell, who advised Senator Clinton on a variety of issues including international trade, telecommunications and Latino…

  217. This is a bad sign for Obama. If Murdoch has switched sides, Obama’s a dead man walking.

    Media Mogul, Rupert Murdoch, Says Obama’s (Economic) Policies are Naive and Date Back to the 1960s

    In a live interview on Your World with Neil Cavuto on FOXNews, Rupert Murdoch, CEO of News Corp. (Wallstreet Journal, New York Post) said that Obama’s policies are naive and outdated as they applied to the state of the U.S. economy of the 1960s. Murdoch stated that if allowed to unfold, Obama’s economic policies would prevent job creation in America, shrink the American economy, and slow many economies around the world.

  218. Rassmussen Polls are either decidely screwy or this elections a mess.

    Rassmussen new polls tonight, say McCain is within 4 of Obama in Maine and Obama within 2 of McCain in Indiana.

    So either Rassmussen is fucking up his polls or i just don’t know because both of those are unbelievable.

  219. Palin Hackers May Dodge Feds via DOJ Loophole
    09.19.08
    Chloe Albanesius

    Could the hackers who infiltrated Republican vice presidential hopeful Sarah Palin’s personal Yahoo account avoid prosecution thanks to a Department of Justice policy statement?

    Though federal law prohibits the unauthorized access of someone’s e-mail account, the DOJ’s interpretation of one particular case might only hold the Palin hackers accountable for accessing unopened messages, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).

    Hackers obtained access to the Alaska governor’s personal gov.palin@yahoo.com e-mail address this week after successfully navigating through Yahoo’s password reset process. They changed the governor’s password, took screen shots of the account’s contents, accessed personal photographs, and sent all the data to the Wikileaks Web site.

    Under the Stored Communication Act (SCA), it is illegal to access without permission a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage. A 2003 case, Theofel v. Farey-Jones, ruled that electronic storage refers to e-mails that have been read, as well as those that are unopened.

    The DOJ, however, is not a huge fan of the Theofel decision.

    The agency’s computer crimes and intellectual property division “continues to question whether Theofel was correctly decided, since little reason exists for treating old email differently than other material a user may choose to store on a network,” according to the DOJ’s Prosecuting Computer Crimes Manual.

    “The term ‘electronic storage’ has a narrow, statutorily defined meaning. It does not simply mean storage of information by electronic means,” according to the DOJ. “If the communication has been received by a recipient’s service provider but has not yet been accessed by the recipient, it is in electronic storage. When the recipient retrieves the email or voice mail, however, the communication reaches its final destination. If the recipient chooses to retain a copy of the communication on the service provider’s system, the retained copy is no longer in electronic storage.”

    Under DOJ’s interpretation, the Palin hackers might only be prosecuted for accessing e-mails the Alaska governor had not yet opened. Based on the data leaked by the hackers, it is not clear if they opened any unread messages.

    “What happened to Gov. Palin shows why Theofel is good for privacy,” EFF senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl wrote in a Thursday blog post. “As more and more people use Web mail like Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, and others, they also will naturally leave opened e-mail on the server. People should not have to sacrifice their privacy protections under the law when they do so.”

    Andrew Grossman, a senior legal policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation, suggested that simply accessing Palin’s account is enough of a violation to warrant some jail time.

    “Federal law prohibits virtual trespassing for the purposes of stealing information,” Grossman wrote in a Thursday blog post. “So cracking the password to a governor’s e-mail account and perusing her messages is a clear violation. The punishment: criminal fines and imprisonment of up to 5 years.”

    The McCain campaign condemned the hacking as “a shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.” The FBI and Secret Service are reportedly investigating.

    The Yahoo account has since been deleted.

    Palin has made headlines for allegedly using her Yahoo account to conduct state business, a move that could run afoul of transparency laws. The e-mails published by the hackers display conversations Palin had with two administration officials, but they do not appear to discuss official state business.

    The use of this account, however, made its way into an information request from Andree McLeod, former vice chair of the Alaska Republican party.

    McLeod asked Palin’s office on September 8 to release e-mails the governor sent from her state account – without any of the information redacted – as well as constituent e-mails to Palin, and e-mails that Frank Bailey, the director of Boards of Commission, and Ivy Frye, Palin’s assistant, sent to Palin’s Yahoo account.

    In July, McLeod requested that Palin’s office provide her with copies of all land-line and cell phone, text message, e-mail and leave request records that pertained to Bailey and Frye because McLeod suspected that Bailey and Frye were conducting campaign business on state time.

    Palin’s office handed over the documents, but information the governor’s office considered to be sensitive was blacked out, while 1,100 additional messages were withheld. By law, only members of the state’s executive branch were privy to that information, according to her office.

    McLeod noticed, however, that 40 of the withheld e-mails were sent to Palin’s husband Todd, who is not a member of the state’s executive branch.

    McLeod reasoned in her September 8 letter that she should have access to anything to which Todd Palin had access since they are both private citizens.

    The Yahoo account is also fair game because “almost all of [Palin’s] e-mails have been sent by or to [Palin] at gov.palin@yahoo.com, [her] unprotected private citizen e-mail account outside the state server and the server’s security system, rather than to or from [her] official office of the governor e-mail address,” according to the letter, which was published by Mother Jones magazine.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330802,00.asp

  220. It seem someone with Pro Obama supporters are trying to validate their right into breaking into Gov. Palin’s private email account and use rumors to infer that Gov. Palin was doing business on her private account and push this off to those braindead kids working (imo) on Axelrod ‘s high information team.

    They are running scared, that is why they are trying to wrap themselve in the meme that she deserve it because she can’t be all that honest and she must be like Team Obama is.

    But, those IDIOTS hacked into a Rep. vp candidate private email account and no amount of flim-flam or this 20year old boy w/problems knew what they was doing is going to save them for doing prison time.

    Good luck with that thought and thinking Obama won’t throw you under the bus…because he has and you are doomed to being somebody prison “bitch.”

    Al

  221. Where Are Sarah Palin’s Tax Returns?
    Vice Presidential Candidate Has Yet to Share Her Filings
    By JUSTIN ROOD and MARCUS BARAM

    As election day comes ever nearer, Democrats and open-government advocates are pressing for the GOP vice presidential candidate to release her tax filings, a campaign tradition that extends at least to the post-Watergate era.

    Instead, Palin has to date declined to share the documents, becoming part of an ever-more-select historical group of candidates who waited until this late in a campaign year to release their tax filings.

    Since 1976, every major-party presidential and vice-presidential candidate has provided that information to the public, according to an analysis by ABC News. Until Palin, only three hopefuls have held onto their tax returns this late:

    In 1984, George H.W. Bush, then the Republican presidential candidate, held onto his tax returns until Oct. 3. Bush said he had set up “the biggest blind trust possible” to prevent conflicts of interest, and said he was concerned releasing information on the trust’s holdings would violate its terms. He relented under pressure and after receiving assurances from government ethics experts.

    In 2000, then-White House hopeful George W. Bush released his tax returns on Oct. 21. He had received two extensions from the IRS, and did not file his returns until Oct. 15.

    Also in 2000, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Lieberman waited until Sept. 22 to release his tax returns. When he did so, he released only summary information on income, assets and taxes that was characterized in news reports as “bare bones.”

    “Voters deserve to know as much as they can about the candidates who are asking for their vote,” said Massie Ritsch of OpenSecrets.org, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog focused on politics and money.

    Last week the Obama-Biden campaign released 10 years’ worth of tax returns for Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., in a move intended to pressure the McCain-Palin camp to do the same for Palin, currently governor of Alaska.

    A spokesman for Palin Thursday reiterated the campaign’s stance on the matter. “We plan to release Governor Palin’s tax returns well before the election,” said Taylor Griffin.

    For Ritsch, that’s not good enough. “A campaign that is touting what it will do to make government more transparent can take a first step by making the candidates transparent.” Nicholas Tucker contributed to this report.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5839282&page=1
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    Team Obama must be getting desperate because here come the drumbeat for her income taxes since hacking into her private email account didn’t help them at all, in fact it’s backfiring.

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