The Coming Barack Obama Dimocrat Defeat

Update: Lynn Forester de Rothschild on CNN video.

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For months we have advocated an alliance between high dollar Democratic donors and Democratic grassroots activists.

High dollar Democratic donors and grassroots activists have endured catcalls from Obama supporters and Big Blog Dimocrats as “revenge voters”. Many have alienated the Dimocratic leadership and some risk friendships and positions to advocate a NObama NOvember position. Many high dollar Democratic donors are either donating to Obama but not exerting themselves to raise money and other high dollar donors are simply going on vacation.

Today Lynn Forester de Rothschild climbed on the barricades.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter and member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee, will endorse John McCain for president on Wednesday, her spokesman tells CNN. [snip]

Forester will “campaign and help him through the election,” the spokesman said of her plans to help the Republican presidential nominee.

Forester was a major donor for Clinton earning her the title as a Hillraiser for helping to raise at least $100,000 for the New York Democratic senator’s failed presidential bid.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild is a profile in courage.

Barack Obama still has plenty of high dollar donors. Hollywood, land of the non-bitter and the non-clingy, worships the Golden Calf:

Barack Obama partied with Hollywood celebrities Tuesday night and with the help of Oscar-winning singer and actress Barbra Streisand raised an eye-popping $9 million for his presidential campaign and the Democratic Party.

The night was split into two glitzy events, a reception and dinner costing $28,500 each at the Greystone Mansion, followed by entertainment by Streisand at the nearby Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel. About 250-300 people were expected at the dinner and about 800 at the entertainment, which cost $2,500 a ticket.

Dinner guests seen by reporters, or noted by waiters, included Will Ferrell, Jodie Foster, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jamie Lee Curtis and DreamWorks founders Steven Spielberg, David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg.

While both campaigns raise money from high dollar donors, last night was most unfortunate in timing for Obama. Hollywood glitz was difficult to brush off from his shoulders as financial woes beset Americans and smash Wall Street. An impish McCain took delight in highlighting Obama hypocrisy.

Speaking at a campaign event in the working-class Democratic stronghold of Youngstown, Ohio, the Republican presidential nominee said Obama “talks a tough game on the financial crisis, but the facts tell a different story.

“…He put Fannie Mae’s [former] CEO, who helped create this problem in charge, of finding his vice president. That’s not change — that’s what’s broken in Washington,” said McCain.

“Talk about siding with the people, siding with the people just before he flew off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbra Streisand and his celebrity friends,” he said. “Let me tell you my friends, theres no place I’d rather be than here with the working men and women of Ohio.”

McCain dined with two Ohio housewives last night and has also released a new advertisement to discuss the financial crisis.

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McCain dining with housewives is reminiscent of when Obama was in Berlin and McCain went to German Villiage in Ohio. Dimocrats will laugh at the company McCain keeps but voters of Ohio see the contempt Obama and the Dimocrats have for non-coastal states. Such is the growing desperation that Dimocrats are reduced to mocking the names of Governor Palin’s children. The DailyKooks love to poke fun at children. Imagine if we started a discussion of Barack Obama’s children and their names. Can anyone say Hussein?

As the public opinion polls fluctuate and the Obama resistance grows the Obama campaign is confronting the question What If Barack Loses? To stop that discussion and once again benefit the Obama campaign resorts to a tactic that hurts African-Americans as well as White Americans – race-baiting.

Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius publicly considered the possibility that Sen. Barack Obama’s race might be a factor in this year’s presidential election during an appearance here Tuesday.

“Have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African-American?” Sebelius asked in response to a question about why the election is so close. “That may be a factor. All the code language, all that doesn’t show up in the polls. And that may be a factor for some people.”

The Governor of Kansas, like the scarecrow from Oz, has company on the mud road. A Philadelphia columnist joins in the race-baiting:

Thousands of hostile messages flooded my e-mail after my Sept. 2 column that the Daily News called “We Need Obama, Not 4 More Years of George Bush.”

Drudge cleverly headlined it: “Philadelphia columnist warns if McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race war.”

I stand by the column – but after all of that backlash, I realize I was dead wrong. We don’t have to wait until after the election for a race war. We’re in one now.

In the Audacity of Defeat, the argument is made for investing in pharmaceutical companies which manufacture anti-depressants, when Obama loses.

A month ago, as any honest Democrat will tell you, this scenario was nearly inconceivable. The Republicans had nominated an elderly and inarticulate candidate in McCain, who was marred not only by his association with George Bush, but distrusted by the critical conservative base as well. He was expected to choose an equally dull running mate—maybe Gov. Tim Pawlenty (who?), the robotic Mitt Romney, or even Sen. Joe Lieberman, the onetime Democrat who’s distrusted by both parties—and though Obama had tapped longtime Sen. Joe Biden, whose bouts with sometimes indelicate verbosity were well-known, that was of little concern. Obama’s campaign was a fund-raising juggernaut and the candidate promised to campaign in nearly every state, especially “red” ones, not only demonstrate to he’d be a president of “all the people” but also help Congressional Democrats expand their majorities. It was payback time for the “stolen” elections of 2000 and 2004 and the revenge promised to be rich indeed. [snip]

In mid-September the GOP resurrection is a simple reality, and though I dislike the cliché “a month in politics is a lifetime,” no one has any idea of how Americans will vote on Election Day. But the fear expressed by a “major Democratic fundraiser” in Politico last week—“I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”—isn’t isolated and won’t subside unless Obama, to quote a Matt Drudge headline, “gets his groove back.”

What will happen when Obama loses? More speculation:

I have no clue if or when that could happen, but I do have an opinion of what will follow in this country if McCain pulls off what so recently seemed the miraculous feat of becoming the country’s 44th president. Voter fraud, conspiracy, “sleazevertisements” (the preferred term of many left-wing bloggers), disenfranchised voters, the return of redneck chic; those will be the immediate cries of Democrats who thought the election was in the bag. Once again, scores of celebrities will claim they’re moving abroad (and inevitably won’t). And then the depression will kick in hard.

New York magazine columnist Kurt Andersen, one of the few Beltway-Boston pundits who bashed Hillary Clinton a year ago, when her nomination appeared inevitable, was unstinting in his speculation of the fallout should Obama lose. He emailed me: “Even without post-November 4th rumors of rigged voting machines and the like, an Obama loss will be a deeply, traumatically depressing event for Democrats and other Obama enthusiasts. (Whereas if McCain loses, who will be seriously bummed outside of the McCain household?) There will be so many facets of potential unhappiness. That an eloquent, inspiring, intelligent, subtle black candidate lost—and if it’s close, it’ll be true that racism beat him… That the rest of the world will be reaffirmed in their belief that America is the land of nincompoops (or worse). That a war with Iran looks a lot likelier… That Sarah Palin won it for the Republicans, and gives a bad name to feminism and (terrifyingly) has a one-in-six (Russian roulette!) chance of becoming president before 2013.”

Tom Bevan, co-founder of Real Clear Politics, was succinct: “Two words: Hari Kari. The base of the [Democratic] party is so vested in its nominee…that to lose in November would be one of the most demoralizing in the modern era.”

Today, John Kerry is mostly a pariah in Democratic circles, seen as an effete and cautious campaigner who couldn’t even beat the laughable George Bush. Yet people, and the media, forget how shocked his supporters were four Novembers ago, so certain that Bush’s Supreme Court “selection” in 2000 would be overturned.

An article in The New York Times shortly after the election described the utter devastation felt by New York City residents, who gave Kerry 75 percent of their votes. Dr. Joseph Zito, a retired psychiatrist, told the reporter, “I’m saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country—the heartland… New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realized we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what’s going to injure masses of people is not good for us.” A friend of Zito’s, a native of Wisconsin, added, “New Yorkers are savvy. We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say.”

How bad will it be?

A Beverly Hills psychologist, Cathy Quinn, told a Los Angeles Times reporter—also days after the Kerry defeat—that she’d seen an increase in the number of patients, who were suffering from “despair.” Quinn predicted to the Times’ Melissa Healy that the “postelection” blues would worsen the emotional health of people already plagued by feelings of loss, anxiety and depression.

It’ll be far more acrimonious this time around if the GOP wins. Already mainstream commentators (on the liberal side) are preparing for the bitterness and reprisals with premature eulogies of Obama’s campaign.[snip]

Dan Henninger, deputy editorial page editor of The Wall Street Journal, told me: “If McCain-Palin wins, and especially if they carry Ohio and Pennsylvania, the Democratic party is going to look like Godfather II—with Bill and Hillary Clinton jointly playing Michael Corleone. The blogospheric left will go to the mattresses, against everyone—the Clintons, the ‘Right,’ and the media.”

Some Obama supporters know Obama is to blame for the mess he finds himself in. William Galston, who helped elect Bill Clinton writes a sharp analysis of Obama’s problems. TO: SEN. BARACK OBAMA, FROM: WILLIAM GALSTON, SUBJ: ADJUST OR LOSE, DATE: SEPTEMBER 16, 2008

I’ll get right to the point: You are in danger of squandering an election most of us thought was unlosable. The reason is simple: on the electorate’s most important concern – the economy — you have no clear message, and John McCain has filled the void with his own.

This is more than my opinion. The Democracy Corps survey released yesterday proves the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Backed by a wealth of persuasive detail, here is the nub of their conclusion:

In the absence of a coherent change message from Obama, many voters are accepting McCain’s definition, particularly since they want to change Washington and clean up government. As a result, Obama has lost his double-digit advantage over McCain on the right kind of change.

What Galston means:

First, you are not offering a coherent account of what has gone wrong with the economy – why it is no longer working for average families. [snip]

Second: you are not offering a focused, parsimonious list of remedies for the economic ills you cite. [snip]

Third: you are not drawing crisp, punchy contrasts between your plans and McCain’s. [snip]

Fourth: your stump speech is too long and discursive. [snip] Right now, regrettably, few Americans believe that you feel real passion about their economic plight and are willing to wage a tough fight on their behalf. [snip]

Fifth: there’s no coordination between an economic message and the rest of your campaign. [snip]

Attacking McCain for employing lobbyists is a waste of precious time and resources; it plays on his turf and accepts his definition of the problem.

More and more Americans know the problem is Obama.

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

What happens when Obama and the Dimocrats lose? Today we wrote about what some think will happen. We’ll address what happens when Obama loses and what Hillary supporters should do in soon to come, thrill packed episode.

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437 thoughts on “The Coming Barack Obama Dimocrat Defeat

  1. Sadly for Obama, the last 3 weeks have demonstrated that he’s not politically intelligent enough to be President. Remember Clinton/Gore in ’92? They had a PRINTED plan for economic recovery: it was dense, enormous, detailed, and copies were available for anyone who wanted one. They rolled up their sleeves, did their homework, and articulately explained to voters exactly how they were going to fix the economic crisis.

    Obama has done no such thing. We get lofty speeches and no details. His team is overly focused on the day-to-day rapid-response nonsense related to negative ads. That’s necessary, but it’s only a small part of a viable strategy.

  2. Berk, I can’t even believe he’s rebounded a bit in the polls. I think it must be wall street, but I don’t know what the electorate thinks they are going to get from this guy. I have never imagined a Dem running without an economic message.

  3. why does Obama stay afloat even now? it’s only the anger at the Bush campaign that seems to be propping him up… had heard BO is up by 2 on Gallup above McCain.

    If voting for Obama is really an anti-Bush vote for many, McCain has to continue to erode the idea that Bush and he are very different people who would do things diff.

  4. Faced with Palin, Women’s Groups to Turn to Obama

    Kim Gandy (R), President of the National Organization for Women, announces NOW’s endorsement of Democratic
    presidential candidate Barack Obama during a news conference Sept. 16, 2008, in Washington, D.C. (Win McNamee/Getty Images)

    By Lois Romano

    Clearly worried about the impact Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has had on the presidential race, the Obama campaign stepped up its efforts to court women this week, recruiting Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to join Sen. Joe Biden for a taped webcast answering questions from women, announcing a list of high profile women who are endorsing Sen. Barack Obama and releasing a tough anti-McCain ad targeting women.

    On Monday, as part of his “Women’s Week of Action,” Obama held a conference call with female supporters to outline the issues he will bring to the forefront in the weeks ahead, such as health care, the Supreme Court and pay equity.

    And today in Washington, a number of high profile unions and groups representing millions of women joined together to throw their support to Obama. Ellie Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation, and Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women — both of whose organizations supported Clinton in the primaries — held a press conference here announcing the support of ten groups for Obama.

    NOW’s endorsement represented the first time in 24 years the group has endorsed a general election presidential candidate — the last being Walter Mondale in 1984, who ran on the first ticket to feature a woman as a vice presidential running mate.

    The largest organization for women’s rights, NOW says it is stepping into the contest to educate women about Palin’s positions and highlight Obama and Biden’s long-time commitment to policies that support women personally and economically.

    “For us its a red alert,” said Gandy. “Palin is so out of touch with women. I don’t think people fully understand her positions.”

    “They are stark differences between these two candidates,” said Smeal. “John McCain has a 26 year record of voting against issues important to women.”

    Smeal cited McCain’s opposition to a bill that would afford equal pay to women, his opposition to abortion funding and a vote he cast against breast cancer research.

    The new Obama pay equity ad says that “women work to help support their families but are paid just 77 cents to a dollar a man makes. It’s one more thing John McCain doesn’t get about our economy. He opposed a law to guarantee women equal pay for equal work, calling it too great a burden on business…. A burden on business? How about the burden on our families.”

    McCain’s campaign quickly countered saying McCain’s pays women on his senate staff better that Obama does.

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/faced_with_palin_womens_groups.html
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    I just have one word to say about these weakazz women groups: PATHETIC!

  5. I get daily emails from liberal friends (or former friends) who send me that Eve Ensler (Vagina Monologues) letter about how she’s boohoohooing about how Palin is going to kill polar bears and cause the destruction of the world.

    I sent back an email saying Eve Ensler does not speak for my vagina.

  6. McCain need to keep hitting hard on his economic vision and highlight his own warnings about the financial markets at the same time talk up Obama’s tax increases in capital gains, payroll, death are income tax and how this will negatively effect small and medium business.

    The Democrats energy plan is riddle with special interests all through it and not what is best for our family and this nation. Why the Democrats are afraid of Palin is that she is an expert on Oil and Gas so Team Obama poo-poo this as being not revelant and it’s the foreign policy. But McCain is the expert and doesn’t need help….Obama needed help because he has ZERO experience and is the head of the ticket.

  7. I don’t understand the visceral and vitrolic hatred towards Palin. I don’t agree with her social conservative views, but how is she out of touch with women? She has 5 children for crissakes, a career, hobbies, and a great husband. What am I missing? She is anti-abortion, but there is more to a woman than reproduction. Why can’t women respect her for what she has gained, rather than, how she differs.

  8. birdgal – because some of these women will fall for staying in the Democratic camp rather than taking a stand and losing their liberal friends.

    I also think that people will say they’re voting for BO, but may vote otherwise while in the booth – and it won’t be the Bradley effect, it’ll just to be to keep appearances that they were a good democrat.

  9. YOU KNOW HILLARY,
    IF YOUR OUT THERE WATCHING,
    YOUR SETTING WOMEN BACK ANOTHER FIFTY YEARS BY HELPING OBAMA TURN WOMEN AGAINST WOMEN. THINK ABOUT THAT….

  10. Top Republican: Palin boosts GOP Senate chancesAP foreign, Wednesday September 17 2008 ContentType:Spot Development; ContentElement:FullStory; Breaking:True;

    By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

    Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) – John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate has boosted Republican chances of holding key Senate seats and denying Democrats a filibuster-proof majority next year, the GOP’s Senate campaign chief said Wednesday.

    The National Republican Senatorial Committee still lags far behind its Democratic rival financially, however, and public polls show GOP candidates trailing in competitive contests and the party’s incumbents tied in several others.

    Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., the campaign arm’s chairman, said adding the Alaska governor to the ticket “totally changed things,” giving his party a chance at reducing its losses in the November election to one or two seats. Democrats hold a razor-thin 51-49 Senate majority. That’s a more cheerful assessment than a month ago, when Ensign said Republicans would be lucky if they lost only two seats, and far better than earlier this year, when he said it would be a good night for the GOP if they could hold their losses to four seats.

    It’s also a long-shot. Democrats are widely expected to win the Virginia seat now held by retiring GOP Sen. John Warner and likely capture another one in New Mexico, where veteran Sen. Pete Domenici is also stepping down.

    Public polling shows incumbent Republican Sen. John Sununu trailing in New Hampshire and the GOP behind in Colorado, where Republican Sen. Wayne Allard is retiring. Republican Sens. Ted Stevens in Alaska, Norm Coleman in Minnesota, Elizabeth Dole in North Carolina and Gordon Smith in Oregon also are in danger.

    Republicans are fighting to hold onto a Mississippi seat in a special election to succeed retired Sen. Trent Lott.

    Just one Democratic senator, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, faces a challenge.

    Ensign pointed to polls conducted after the two parties’ conventions showing that Republicans were closing what had been a double-digit gap in favor of Democrats when voters were asked who they would rather see control Congress. The GOP is still behind, however. An AP-GfK poll taken Sept. 5-10 showed Democrats ahead on that question, 46 percent to 41 percent.

    Palin “excited our folks about getting out to vote,” Ensign said. She “had a lot of people take a second look at the Republican Party and the Republican message. … It’s going to help races at the bottom of the ticket.”

    He said Republicans expect Palin to campaign with GOP Senate candidates and hope she will help them raise money as well. The McCain camp has made no commitments that she will.

    The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has a clear edge in fundraising, $43 million to spend at the end of August compared to $25 million for the Republicans.

    Democrats said there’s no evidence of a Palin boost in targeted races, and noted that since she was chosen, Republicans abandoned a planned TV ad campaign in New Mexico, where their chances of a win look slight.

    “Their incumbents are in a worse position now than they’ve been all year,” said Matthew Miller, a spokesman for the DSCC.

    As for Democrats’ hopes of commanding a supermajority that would let them bypass parliamentary hurdles without Republicans’ help, Miller said: “We’ve always said that it would be very difficult to get to 60, and that’s still the case.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7805651

  11. seriously – Todd Palin represents a very evolved man – someone who is secure enough with his masculinity to support his wife, take care of his children, continue to juggle work and home…

    you look at gasbags like Bill Maher and Ogremann, and there would NO WAY they would ever be as supportive as Todd Palin has been to his wife.

  12. Obama is a fool he said the “financial markets is the worst shape since generations and since 911”

    Obama evolked 911 and equate what is happening on wall street and now saying that McCain reassuring the “Fundamental are strong”

    Obama joke: The old boys network, in a McCain Campaign that’s called a staff meeting.

    Obama giving his speech this guy hasn’t said anything about what he plans to do to solve the problem…it’s all about taking McCain’s words out of context and just hammering his…with Obama slogans.

  13. i went thru depression and anger after hillary was shafted of her rightful spot as democratic nominee…
    yeah it hurt…

    ofcourse obamadrones were gleeful. if obama loses, it may be the cost of prozac may go up nationwide, they can sell it with the big O symbol. 25 dollars on the street…

  14. ctv: I saw part of Todd Palin’s interview with Greta last night, and he seemed very authentic and genuine. He is very comfortable in his own skin. I agree, he is highly evolved, more than I can say for some of these other gasbags, men and women included.

  15. HILLARY FOR TEXAS,

    STFU?
    but you dont know me too well do you?
    i dont SHUT THE F*CK UP FOR ANYONE…
    you dont own me, you dont control me, and i dont answer to you… unless you are officially speaking for hillary clinton, dont presume to tell me anything about her…

    i dont like the fact that she is doing anything for obama, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

    dont fuck with me… you arent going to suppress my opinion…

  16. Obama joke: The old boys network, in a McCain Campaign that’s called a staff meeting.

    Actually, my father noted there are nearly no women in prominent positions in the Obama campaign. Give it up Obama. You are a sexist and I know you are.

  17. skm, you may think its okay to castigate Hillary on a blog set up to support her, but I don’t.

    So yeah, I’ll tell you to STFU. Can I make you? Nope. But I have as much right to tell you to STFU as you do to tell HILLARY CLINTON of all people that she is setting women back 50 years.

    I told people to STFU when they called the Clintons racist, and I’ll tell people to STFU who SCREAMINGLY accuse Hill, who has done MORE for women than anyone here, of hurting women. That is a pretty low, IMO.

    So, in my opinion you should STFU DENIGRATING Hill. I have as much RIGHT to express that OPINION as you do to express YOUR opinions as to what HILLARY is doing that is so fucking awful.

    Don’t fuck with ME over Hillary, because I will defend that strong brave woman from anyone and everyone who wants to rail at her when they are IGNORANT of the pressures she is under and her long-term plan.

  18. Yeah, I fricken hate Hill-bashing. I won’t just let it slip by. Frankly, Palin is only in this game because of Hill, so I don’t want to hear that crap.

  19. skmf12 – I agree with you about ANYONE who is helping turn women against women – even including our sainted Hillary. The main reason: she was the recipient of EXACTLY the same treatment. The only ones who win if we don’t stick together are those whose power is threatened by empowering us. This is why I no longer am interested in NOW, NARAL or any other organization whose narrow ideology excludes about half of our sisters from joining us.
    “There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.” –M. Albright

  20. Do you think the news anchors will be voting for Bo? Are they just selling the news. They are priviledge to a lot of infomation, i cannot see how they would vote for Bo.

  21. And by the way, I have never told anyone on here who is grieved at Hill’s tepid support for Obama to STFU.

    I did, however, tell the person who loudly ATTACKED Hill for “setting women back” to STFU.

    Whatcha gonna do about it? Huh?

  22. mj – there are no women in the top levels of the IL dimocratic party, either, excepting maybe Lisa Madigan – and her father still is senior to her.

  23. birdgal Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    I don’t understand the visceral and vitrolic hatred towards Palin. I don’t agree with her social conservative views, but how is she out of touch with women? She has 5 children for crissakes, a career, hobbies, and a great husband. What am I missing? She is anti-abortion, but there is more to a woman than reproduction. Why can’t women respect her for what she has gained, rather than, how she differs.
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    I have seen a lot of openmindedness on this web site. I DO have some disagreements with Palin’s long held view, this is true. But I give her a lot of credit for being a self-made, self-assured woman. So I don’t hold an “All Repubs are evil” opinion.

    Technically, on paper, I agree with Obama on a whole range of issues. But it appears he only holds viewpoints only long enough to get political mileage out of them, and then conveniently changes his mind. He does not hold deep convictions. So I can’t believe that he believes in topic X, Y or Z. Witness how many about faces he did as soon as Hillary was forced out in June.

    With Palin, and McCain, I do not see a long troubling trend of knee-cap politics and racially polarizing campaigning. With Obama, that’s all there is.

    That the DNC had to pile on and force this candidate Obama on their own party is an outrageous series of acts, and has me extremely angry at the lukewarm bodies that currently have control of the Democratic? Party.

    This Party ain’t fun no more.

  24. skmf12,

    I don’t like the fact that she is doing anything for Obama, either. I don’t think that she gains any benefit from doing so and she risks alienating some of her supporters. It is the American people who will vote or not vote for her, not her party. The same that the American people kept Bill Clinton in for 8 years and didn’t desert him and didn’t demand for him to be ousted out of office during the Lewinsky scandal. It was the American people that was the driving force for keeping Bill in because the more Washington tried to oust him and Ken (the prosecutor) tried to destroy him the higher his approval rating went up. I believe at that time they thought that he was an embarrassment but wanted him gone, but the public wouldn’t hear of it. He also left office with a high approval rating.

    Hillary should stop campaigning for Obama, say to heck with the democrats, and concentrate on her senate job. I see no reason for her to campaign for Obama except for her just wanting the democrats to regain power. Sadly, that is putting party before country.

  25. McCain has set up a “Honest and open election” committee see NQ. Another smart move putting Obama on notice that he can’t turn swing states into Cook county. People like Forrester jumping on McCain’s bandwagon also gives them the inside scoop of what went on in the DNC in the primary — DNC is put on notice as well.

  26. hillary for texas,

    I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANYTHING YOU SAY, BUT I THINK YOU LOST ME WITH THE VERY FIRST STFU YOU SAID TO ME…

    if you would’ve said your piece without insulting me, i could have discussed it, now, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! YOU SOUND LIKE OBOTS WHO GET UGLY WHEN THEY HEAR SOMETHING THEY DONT LIKE…
    NO ACTUALLY YOU SOUND LIKE THAT PARIS VIDEO, DONT PICK ON HILLARY INSTEAD…

    for your information, not that it is your business, i like to say things i want hillary to hear somehow on this blog… i believe hillary and her friends read here..
    i want her to see things thru other eyes… not cause i hate her, cause i want her to think about this whole obama thing… i would fight for her in a minute, but this is OUR BLOG, this is the only place we can come to express our dismay and disappointment… i cant go on another blog and express my disappointment, only here where its family…

    you have your deal i have mine. interfere all you want in my space, and i wont acknowledge you exist!

  27. Fine. Have fun with your handwringing and Hillary-bashing, guys. I had thought that this blog was the ONE place I would not have to hear people tearing Hill down, but evidently there are just as many vultures here as in the Bot camp.

    I’m off to do something constructive to get Barky defeated. Enjoy picking over the bones and snapping over and critiquing every move this fine woman makes. Evidently she can’t please anyone – she gets it from BOTH sides over what EVERYONE ELSE in their infinite wisdom thinks she ought to do. It’s the story of her life, and many here are jumping right on that bandwagon.

    Personally I find it disgusting.

  28. rgb44hrc Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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    I haven’t seen it on this board, but I have seen it on other boards, from so-called “progressives.” Actually, people on this board have been more open-minded out her. I don’t agree with values, but I can respect her strength and tenacity.

    The dimocratic party’s light has dimmed.

  29. HillaryforTexas and skmf12
    I thought about what you both said and then I thought about the war room Hillary had during the election…I’ll bet you both seem like pussy cats to what went on in there!

  30. skmf12: You have every right to speak out about what you think the constitution gives you that.As an ardent Hillary supporter I also have every right to question your advice and the underlying reason for your constant and frankly boring effort to disparage this great patriotic woman.Obama has no doubt sprinkled you with his fairy dust.

    By ABM90

  31. illinois underground and independent,

    thanks for knowing what i am trying to say… i love hillary, but right now, she’s her own worst enemy…
    this is harming her legacy…

  32. it’s possible to love someone but hate what they do. all I have to do is look in the mirror once a day to find that person.

  33. well abm90,

    maybe i’m a bot huh? LOL

    what do you think my motive could be? maybe i’m a secret agent for mccain, or a republican operative?
    well i couldnt be working for obama, cause he is pushing hillary to be out there for him…

    what vicious plot do think i’m hatching here?

  34. I’ve never understood why people think Obama is better for the economy, he’s never doen anything for it and putting a man with no experience in charge while the economy seems like complete and utter madness to me.

  35. skmf12 Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    illinois underground and independent,

    thanks for knowing what i am trying to say… i love hillary, but right now, she’s her own worst enemy…
    this is harming her legacy…

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    You are welcome, skmf12. Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone in your feelings. At this point, she IS her own worst enemy and is harming her legacy. Sad. I mean at this point, I don’t see the difference between NOW endorsing Obama and Hillary endorsing him. I mean, Hillary isn’t publicly blasting women or Palin. But by endorsing Obama that is saying something. Wonder if she is reading this board?

  36. moononpluto Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
    I’ve never understood why people think Obama is better for the economy, he’s never doen anything for it and putting a man with no experience in charge while the economy seems like complete and utter madness to me.

    It has nothing to do with Obama. It’s Bill Clinton’s brand name and it’s attachment to the Dem’s. That’s all.

  37. This needs to be heard everywhere

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423701,00.html

    Barack Obama’s Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Connection (Collapse of Them Linked To Democrats Like Obama

    Lehman Brothers collapse is traced back to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two big mortgage banks that got a federal bailout a few weeks ago.

    Freddie and Fannie used huge lobbying budgets and political contributions to keep regulators off their backs.

    A group called the Center for Responsive Politics keeps track of which politicians get Fannie and Freddie political contributions. The top three U.S. Senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Barack Obama.

    Now remember, he’s only been in the Senate four years, but he’s still managed to grab the No. 2 spot ahead of John Kerry – decades in the Senate – and Chris Dodd, who is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

    Fannie and Freddie have been creations of the congressioanl Democrats and the Clinton White House, designed to make mortgages available to more people and, as it turns out, some people who couldn’t afford them.

    Fannie and Freddie have also been places for big Washington Democrats to go to work in the semi-private sector and pocket millions …

  38. The thing about Fannie and Freddie was the Clintons had the right idea about it, its others who twisted it round into cash cows for themselves and wouldnt you know, Obama, Kerry and Dodd right in the trough.

  39. ooh trouble brewing
    OBAMA ADVISOR FRANKLIN RAINES IGNORED FANNIE MAE ACCOUNTING WARNINGS AS EARLY AS 2002

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6189481/

    WASHINGTON – The former Fannie Mae accountant who raised questions about the mortgage giant’s bookkeeping said Wednesday that he took his concerns directly to chief executive Franklin Raines in 2002 and asked him to investigate.

    The disclosure by Roger Barnes, who left Fannie Mae last November, came as Raines and chief financial officer Timothy Howard defended the company’s accounting and told Congress that regulators’ allegations of earnings manipulation represent an interpretation of complex rules.

    “I urged Mr. Raines and Mr. Howard to investigate the issues identified,” Barnes said in written testimony submitted for a hearing by the House Financial Services subcommittee that oversees Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, its smaller rival in the multitrillion-dollar home mortgage market.

    “Neither Mr. Raines nor Mr. Howard, nor anyone from their staffs, investigated these concerns or took corrective action,” he said. “Thus, the practices I had identified continued, and I faced continuing reprisal for raising concerns about these issues.”

  40. Admin> powerful narrative. At a time when the country needs to be pulling together Obama and his fellow travellers in the party, e.g. Brazille are tearing it apart with this false excuse of racism. This one caught my eye and made me wonder why they do not look before they leap:

    Tom Bevan, co-founder of Real Clear Politics, was succinct: “Two words: Hari Kari. The base of the [Democratic] party is so vested in its nominee…that to lose in November would be one of the most demoralizing in the modern era.”

    This is what many of us have been concerned over and warned superdelegates. Look before you leap and vet before you shut your eyes and support. The issue is character, judgment and experience. The racists on both sides cancel eachother out. That is the wrong diagonosis. Evil people are promoting it.

    Someone told me that by waiting from Friday to Tuesday to bail our AIG the cost rose from 20 billion to 85 billion. Apparently that was on cnn. Hillary and Bill are two of the only political leaders who understand the problem and the political moves necessary to manage it. If she were the nominee we would not be in this position. Thanks again Teddy–one more camelot for you and trouble ahead for the rest of us.

    The situation is serious but manageable. It requires leadership. That is what the top bankers are saying privately. The problem is they are not seeing that leadership now. As you can see above time is of the essence.

  41. skmf12, Hillary4Texas: all this is to out the Dimocrats and tee-up our shero for 2012. But, there is still a right and wrong to it – that is why we don’t see Hillary engaging in Palin-bashing.

    On a different topic, I just go another email from Prez Bill asking for donations for the Senate Dem committee – “give Obama a veto-proof 60.” I couldn’t think of anything more dangerous.

  42. Obama-Biden Reservations Confirmed(NY Post article CONFIRMED!)

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13897

    The Obama campaign spent more than five hours on Monday attempting to figure out the best refutation of the explosive New York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January. The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem. Instead, Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi told reporters that Obama told the Iraqis that they should not rush through what she termed a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of U.S. forces until after President Bush left office. In other words, the Iraqis should not negotiate an American troop withdrawal. According to a Senate staffer working for Sen. Joseph Biden, Biden himself got involved in the shaping of the statement. “The whole reason he’s on the ticket is the foreign policy insight,” explained the staffer.

  43. I’ve heard McCain is about to launch an economic blitz on Obama concerning the fact that his top advisers are all the ones responsible for this great big banking mess and frankly do we really want to listen to them now.

  44. I have also heard McCain is going to drag out what Obama did with the Iraq withdrawl out at the debates and force him on the spot to answer it.

  45. ooh trouble brewing
    OBAMA ADVISOR FRANKLIN RAINES IGNORED FANNIE MAE ACCOUNTING WARNINGS AS EARLY AS 2002
    ——————————————-
    WOW Moonpluto: that is political dynamite. Bambis entourage is like greshoms law–the bad money chases out the good. The worst people are left and they are the ones advising him.

  46. September 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
    wbboei Says:

    “The issue is character, judgment and experience. ”
    * * * * *
    Exactly, wbboei. Dim’s/BO’s election strategy: blocking reform legislation for the finance industry; attempting to delay troop withdrawal; inciting race wars. How disgusting.

    “Obama simply cannot be trusted.”

    Admin, forgot to say – thank you for the sad and eloquently stated truth in today’s essay.

  47. The Obama campaign spent more than five hours on Monday attempting to figure out the best refutation of the explosive New York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January.
    ———————————————-
    He plays politics with American lives.

  48. Lots of news beginning to break now.

    Lynn Forester de Rothschild is about to go on Neal Cavuto.

    New polls about to be published.

    The Palin persecution continues. Her private email address at Yahoo has been hacked. This email address had contact lists to all her friends and familiy so now their email addresses and some phone numbers are being made public. Disgusting.

  49. Thanks for the latest news and update admin. Let us know what Lynn Forester de Rothschild has to say. I can’t see it right now.

    How awful of the Palin persecution. It IS disgusting. They hope to drive her out. Stay strong Sarah and be the “bulldog” others say that you are!

  50. admin said:

    The Palin persecution continues. Her private email address at Yahoo has been hacked. This email address had contact lists to all her friends and familiy so now their email addresses and some phone numbers are being made public. Disgusting.

    ******
    Have the right-wing ever been this disgusting in their attacks – to go after someone’s personal friends, to display their home addresses and phone numbers? I have to wonder if someone on the inside of Yahoo is helping them…Yahoo has always been in the tank with their headlines, and who knows how these people continue to access info.

  51. This economy may be devestating to Obama if McCain can get out the word that all of Obama’s advisors are the ones who have pocketed from this economy mess and are the ones who put America into the shit and then full tangle Biden up with MBNA, the bastards who are ripping people off, no wonder Biden and Obama for that APR ceiling % on credit cards.

  52. I bet you Lynn is the one talking for Hillary this cycle, it seems to me, Rothschild is doing what Hillary can’t do publically, saying what Hillary really means.

  53. Obama supporters going through Governor Palin’s personal emails which contain contact lists and phone numbers for family and friends. They are also publishing private family pictures.

    http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

    The Politico story is here:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/govpalin.html?showall

    An anonymous hacker’s apparent accessing Sarah Palin’s Yahoo account is being widely chewed over on the web right now, with an eye to its bearings on her version of troopergate.

    But I’ve got to think that, while the contents will be chewed over, many voters’ first reactions will be sympathy. And changing their passwords.

    The McCain-Palin campaign didn’t have an immediate comment.

    ALSO: Micah Sifry says the group of hackers in question, which claims to have more emails, is “very sophisticated and probably impossible to stop.”

  54. I bet you Lynn is the one talking for Hillary this cycle, it seems to me, Rothschild is doing what Hillary can’t do publically, saying what Hillary really means
    ——————————————-
    It is not unlikely.

  55. Breaking on Foxnews now

    Obama camp turns back on Jewish voters

    Hillary doesnt go to the Iran protest where Palin will be. I have to wonder if Hillary did this deliberately to screw Obama over, i think Hillary is doing subtle things against Obama.

    The pro israel anti iran protesters are furious Obama’s camp has slapped them.

  56. Admin,

    This has just gone too far. Heads need to roll over this invasion of privacy and theft of Palin’s information.

  57. We’re not helping Hillary with all this talk moononpluto. Rothschild is a Friend and supporter but she is her own person and her focus is not on Hillary.

    I agree with her. It wouldn’t be fair to involve Hillary in her decision.

  58. You got to think, what are these people doing to her and any information they divulge could be treated as being tampered with. Theres no way to proves it authenticity as its private communications.

    They are innoculating Sarah against attacks now.

  59. ALSO: Micah Sifry says the group of hackers in question, which claims to have more emails, is “very sophisticated and probably impossible to stop.”
    ——————————————–
    Who do you think is behind this? Soros??? Axelrod? None of the above?

  60. You got to think, what are these people doing to her and any information they divulge could be treated as being tampered with. Theres no way to proves it authenticity as its private communications.

    They are innoculating Sarah against attacks now.
    ———————————————–
    A good evidentiary point. Tainted evidence.

  61. Oh i bet its the same people who dig shit up on everyone, hacked emails can be bought but it may land someones ass in jail over it and Obama better watch himself, who’s the dirty campaign?

  62. All this unwarranted hatred and criminal activities being perpetrated by Obama band of twits just makes me more and more sympathetic towards Palin.

    Obama has unleased so much evil it isn’t funny.

  63. Obama-Biden Reservations Confirmed(NY Post article CONFIRMED!)

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13897

    The Obama campaign spent more than five hours on Monday attempting to figure out the best refutation of the explosive New York Post report that quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying that Barack Obama during his July visit to Baghdad demanded that Iraq not negotiate with the Bush Administration on the withdrawal of American troops. Instead, he asked that they delay such negotiations until after the presidential handover at the end of January. The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.

    —–
    yep: I can name the 3 people:
    Senator jack reed, chuck hagle and the Us ambassaodr to iraq…

    nuff said!!!

    And idiot biden is acting like a dork…having to protect this ignorant wild out of hand kid playing president!!!

  64. Yahoo and emails:

    Yep: if they can hack it, then these hackers can be traced found and prosecuted!!!!

    Yahoo has been in the tank for BO!!!

    And I bet these hackers are in those countries providing “system support” jobs….

  65. This is very, very sick.

    did anyone see the comments under the politico article?

    admin: I don’t know, how I missed the links.

  66. I hope Yahoo get fined…this crap isn’t funny and I hope the secret service go after Yahoo too.

    What is so ironic is that this will backfire on Obama.

  67. I wish that these obots would be exposed – frog march them out of their moms’ basements for the hacking, attacking the pro-Hillary sites and the Mccain sites, etc.

  68. I think the public are not going to be happy with this, I mean they really are victimizing her now. Its gotten well out of hand and disgusting, I don’t see anyone hacking Obama or Bidens emails, no they really do need serious jail time for this and life time internet ban.

  69. # moononpluto Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Oh i bet its the same people who dig shit up on everyone, hacked emails can be bought but it may land someones ass in jail over it and Obama better watch himself, who’s the dirty campaign?
    ************
    The hackers are just small pissants…The Republicans have the NSA is they want to use it.

  70. Rothschild is a Friend and supporter but she is her own person and her focus is not on Hillary
    ———————————————
    Carbynew: probably right at that. She speaks from the perspective of being a member of the DNC platform committee and a superdelegate. Thus the problems we saw at the convention from a distance she saw up front close and personal. That is probably part of what is motivating her. Integrity and patriotism over a blind unquestioning loyalty to the party.

  71. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2084530/posts

    Poll shows McCain, Warner leading races in Virginia (McCain 48%, Obama 39%)
    Virginian-Pilot ^
    Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:25:06 PM by Chet 99
    Republican presidential nominee John McCain has opened a clear lead over Democrat Barack Obama among Virginia voters in the race for the White House, according to a new statewide poll.
    The survey, taken last week for the Center for Public Policy at Christopher Newport University, found McCain with the support of 48 percent of state voters, compared with 39 percent for Obama. Just under 13 percent were undecided.
    The poll also showed Democrat Mark Warner is maintaining a huge advantage, 54 percent to 30 percent, over Republican Jim Gilmore in the state’s U.S. Senate contest. Warner leads Gilmore among virtually all voter groups, the survey indicates, even claiming the support of nearly one in four Republicans.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2084524/posts
    If He Can Make It There . . .
    McCain shows strength in New York

  72. look at this idiot who commented on Politico:

    This really isn’t a violation of privacy rights. The people who did this didn’t even have to do anything illegal to get into the email account. Palin failed to make her password hard to guess.

    Posted By: Jason H | September 17, 2008 at 03:35 PM

    ******

    Yes, looking at people’s private emails because you can guess the password (if that is indeed the case) is not illegal and a violation of privacy. The Obamabots have brought the level of intelligent discourse in this country to less than zero.

  73. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqHFk-3yQM
    Disgrace! Obama discourages troop negotiations for personal political gain

    This one needs airtime

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_objects_129453.htm?page=0

    OBAMA OBJECTS
    BUT THE EVIDENCE SAYS I’M RIGHT
    Snip-
    In his statement on my Post article, Obama no longer talks of “withdrawal” but of “redeployment” and “drawdown” – which is exactly what is happening in Iraq now.
    While I am encouraged by the senator’s evolution, I must also appeal to him to issue a “cease and desist” plea to the battalions of his sympathizers – who have been threatening me with death and worse in the days since my article appeared.

    Please read some of the comments:

    TRUTH wrote
    OBAMA OBJECTS WHEN HE IS CAUGHT……AND I OBJECT TO OBAMA’S DISHONESTY, WHINING, AND CAMPAIGN FULL OF HOT AIR, EMPTY VAGUE PROMISES…..A ND MARXIST IDEOLOGY.

    Jack Kennedy wrote:
    Real Americans see obama’s traitorous actions and lack of intellectual honesty. The fans have formed the typical cabal to slander and attack anyone with the truth about obama.

    TxGypsy wrote:
    Every time B. Hussein opens his mouth he lies, lies, lies. His entire bio is lies. His major supporters are aiding our problems with the war, our economy, our jobs, our lives, but mainly our country.

    mas wrote:
    Obama has crossed the line. He has absolutely no business going above the heads of the Bush administration to orchestrate what essentially is mounting to a military coup of our government. If this were a corporation we were talking about, Obama would be out on his rear in two seconds flat. Chain of command!! Have you all forgotten this? Obama should have been behaving as a real agent of change, reaching out to the Bush administration to help, not going behind their backs to sabotage the withdrawl of troops. Many of you fail to realize just how wrong Obama is in this situation. If you were the company head or commander in chief, you would. If Obama were living in a Middle Eastern country his punishment would be severe. The fact that Obama seems unaffected by this demonstrates to me the total lack of conscience on his part for the suffering of the soldiers and their families, as well as the Iraqi people. He is not fit to run for dogcatcher! Go McCain/Palin ’08!

    It would be a clear violation of The Logan Act:
    The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization.
    law.jrank.org/pages/8357/Logan-Act.html

  74. noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/17/hollywoods-noblesse-oblige-to-us-little-guys-race-card-in-ks-define-sleaziest-chicago-change-means-more-of-the-same-and-dem-platform-member-switches-to-mccain/
    Dem platform member switches to MCcain

  75. Obama is not the agent of change. He is the agent of chaos. With two wars and a sinking economy do we really want an agent of chaos?

  76. For some reason Obama n his bots can’t stop focusing on the #2 person. It’s really amazing how undisciplined Team Obama is in the G.E.

    Also don’t fall for Obama’s grab for power using the race card. Obama has done more for personal political gain instead of for the people. But most Blacks haven’t connected to dots to this…because the media is not reporting this fact.

    Some AAs recognise Mr Flim Flam is not thinking about AA community or the “Community at large” it’s all about Obama.

    Obama proved it to me with his hysterical,shrill commentary of AIG bailout and his fear mongering linking 911 to this crisis.

    911 is this code for his friends overseas?

  77. moononpluto Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    Rassmussen

    Wisconsin
    48 Obama
    46 McCain

    but this is startling

    Oregon
    Obama 51%
    McCain 47%
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Mmmmmmm. What is that delicious smell. Is it….Obama Failure Pie?

  78. CountTheVotes Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    look at this idiot who commented on Politico:

    This really isn’t a violation of privacy rights. The people who did this didn’t even have to do anything illegal to get into the email account. Palin failed to make her password hard to guess.

    Posted By: Jason H | September 17, 2008 at 03:35 PM

    ******

    Yes, looking at people’s private emails because you can guess the password (if that is indeed the case) is not illegal and a violation of privacy. The Obamabots have brought the level of intelligent discourse in this country to less than zero.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    I am not a lawyer, especially not a lawyer specializing in internet law. But it would seem that if breaking into a web site by password cracking is illegal, than doing so by password guessing of an easy password therefore would be illegal too.

    And if hacking into a web site is one thing, the same rules would appear to extend to people’s email accounts on whatever ISP provides that service.

    If the door to my house is unlocked, you still just can’t waltz right in, no matter how innocent your intentions are.

    Bots and Yahoos and Googles are Intersluts.

  79. it is nice to see that McCain has closed the gap on the BHO campaign. the more people find out about this democratic phony the more we’ll see those polls closer.

    let us not forget though that all it takes is 1 vote to win.

    don’t be confused it doesn’t have to be more than 50% of the voters in each state to win. the winner (the one with the most votes regardless of percentage) takes all electoral votes is the game.

    so if the election were held today based on these polls BHO and MO would be moving into the white house.

    we still have work to do.

  80. September 17th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    admin Says:

    “Obama supporters going through Governor Palin’s personal emails which contain contact lists and phone numbers for family and friends. They are also publishing private family pictures.

    An anonymous hacker’s apparent accessing Sarah Palin’s Yahoo account is being widely chewed over on the web right now, with an eye to its bearings on her version of troopergate.”
    * * * * *
    More evidence about why privacy is THE issue for the new millennium. Just wondering: is this why BO voted “YES” on FISA? To further the machinations of his new Marxist regime?

  81. More evidence about why privacy is THE issue for the new millennium. Just wondering: is this why BO voted “YES” on FISA? To further the machinations of his new Marxist regime?
    ******
    good call Illinois Underground

  82. rgb44hrc Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    And if hacking into a web site is one thing, the same rules would appear to extend to people’s email accounts on whatever ISP provides that service.

    If the door to my house is unlocked, you still just can’t waltz right in, no matter how innocent your intentions are.

    Bots and Yahoos and Googles are Intersluts.
    *******

    the audacity of these bots during the primaries and election and their illegal internet activities is going to be the driving force behind harder and enforceable regulations on the internet. Hands-down from this experience, I’ve realized that the net is the wild wild west – even as it’s great for info and communication, it can be our own worst enemy.

  83. why did Hillary decline her appearance? was she avoiding having to stand up for Sarah? would she have to tell these people they are wrong?

    * From comedian Bill Maher: “I will send (Barack Obama) whatever I have to to keep this snarling bitch out of the White House.”

    * From The Huffington Post’s Michael Seitzman: “I want to have sex with her on my Barack Obama sheets while my wife reads aloud from the constitution. (My wife is cool with this if I promise to ‘first wipe off Palin’s tranny make-up’.)”

    * From Salon.com’s Gary Kamiya: “For the die-hard Republicans who lusted over Palin at the convention, her whip-wielding persona was a turn-on. The more Palin drilled the Democrats, the more hotly the base yearned to drill her.”

    * And, last but again by no means least, from YouTube: “Sarah Palin is a dumb ass buckey beaver bitch who has a slut for a daughter.”

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24361330-23375,00.html

  84. “Obama supporters going through Governor Palin’s personal emails which contain contact lists and phone numbers for family and friends. They are also publishing private family pictures
    ———————————————-
    My conscience is clear. I warned them about the internet risk months ago. This is police state tactics. Obama pretends to be Nelson Mandella but he is really Robert Mugambe, in my opinion.

  85. I think the Democratic? Taliban Party need to get use to the change in the air.

    Gov. Sarah Palin and others like her is here to stay.

  86. What a mess….I’m placing my order now. (add h t t p : / /)
    t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/dont-blame-me-i-voted-for-hillary-womens-vnec/296327784

  87. Obama thinks he is still in the Illinois Senate. When asked today if he was in favor of the AIG bailout he would not say whether he was in favor of it or against it. Instead of stuttering his way through his answer he should have just said “Present”

  88. debbie Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Those statements are so despicable and disgusting. What if people were making such obscene statements about BO’s race? But, it is okay to do it to a woman? This society is very misogynistic. This election has been a real eye opener to how much sexism is alive and well in the U.S. 🙁

  89. Related to my post from Capitol Fax (Springfield, IL) from a couple of days ago, entreating BO to use his influence to get an ethics bill in Springfield off dead center. His Chinaman, Emil Jones, has no interest in anything even resembling refor. I can’t believe that BO, who emerged fully formed from the primordial ooze of Illinois politics, wants to play in JMac’s sandbox.
    = = = = = = =
    (Crain’s) — Responding to pleas from government reformers, Democratic presidential nominee U.S. Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday phoned Illinois Senate President Emil Jones Jr. and asked him to call the Senate back into session “at the earliest possible opportunity” to consider a major pending ethics bill.
    But there was no immediate indication that Mr. Jones is willing to go along.

    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=31045&seenIt=1

  90. carbynew Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
    So now CNN is calling Oregon racists.

    Go luck with that Obama.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Seriously, because the polls have tightened?

  91. They’re probably not racist, just bitter and cling-y. And gun toting. Except for Portland/Eugene, Oregon resembles Montana or Utah.

  92. KINGSGROVE,

    your a day late and a dollar short! i already got yelled at for that comment!!!!! YOU NEED TO STAY WITH US, YOUR FALLING BEHIND…

    and for all those who still give a damn about that earlier comment, i was pissed about the ‘womans forum’ that obama has hillary and biden doing tonight, it is said that it was done to counter act palin.
    so again, to do a ‘women for obama’ forum, is appalling, cause as we know obama is not the champion of women.

    as for wether i read admins post, i did, and i enjoyed it. so what?

    again kingsgrove, get over yourself, you havent put me in my place, you havent hurt my feelings, and you havent done a good job of shameing me. but thanks anyway for trying.

    i come around in my own fashion when i want to, and because i want to, not because i’m pushed…

  93. ARG polls from today:

    Colorado: McCain 46%, Obama 44%
    Missouri: McCain 50%, Obama 45%
    Montana: McCain 49%, Obama 47%
    Nevada: McCain 49%, Obama 46%
    New Mexico: Obama 51%, McCain 44%
    North Carolina: McCain 52%, Obama 41%
    Ohio: McCain 50%, Obama 44%
    West Virginia: McCain 49%, Obama 45%

    Lots of polls out today. Even more polls tomorrow.

  94. Looks like the Obama camp is already laying the groundwork for the excuse they will use when he loses in November. Kathaleen Sebilus saying that the race is so close because Obama is AA. The race is so close because McCain is running a better campaign and Obama knows he always over-polls. The true numbers probably have Mccain up by another 4 or 5 points.

  95. Polls: Small businesses favor McCain over Obama as race evens up
    Phoenix Business Journal – by Mike Sunnucks

    A new national poll shows Arizona Sen. John McCain besting Democratic Barack Obama among small business owners as general election surveys show the presidential rivals deadlocked.

    McCain has the backing of 64 percent of the 1,000-plus small business owners versus 36 percent for Obama in a survey conducted by SurePayroll. The small business owners also listed the economy as their top concern, followed by national security and energy. Health care was fourth.

    An average of recent national polls by Real Clear Politics, however, gives McCain 45.9 percent of the projected vote and Obama 45.3 percent. Real Clear also shows McCain and Obama essentially tied in key electoral college states including Ohio, Colorado, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Nevada and New Mexico.

    McCain supports cutting corporate income taxes from 35 percent to 25 percent as well as maintaining Bush cuts to capital gains and personal income taxes that benefit some small businesses. McCain and running mate Sarah Palin also want to see more tax write-offs for business equipment.

    Obama backs a rollback of tax cuts for some big businesses and those making more than $250,000, has backed away from somewhat from tax increases, citing worries about the economy. He does support an increase in capital gains tax rates on those with higher incomes. The Chicago Democrat also has called for zeroing out capital gains on startup firms.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/09/15/daily46.html?t=printable

  96. What about these polls:

    Florida: Obama 48, McCain 48
    Indiana: McCain 51, Obama 45
    North Carolina: McCain 48, Obama 47
    Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 47
    Wisconsin: Obama 50, McCain 47

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/17/poll-mccain-obama-virtually-tied-in-battleground-states/

  97. Maher is a funny little guy–except when he is telling jokes. Suddenly, I understand the argument in favor of euthensia. Short of that whatever misguided network is broadcasting his bullshit now needs to do the right thing and give him the axe gothic style.

  98. Birdgal: any insight on that florida poll? After he and the dnc disenfranchised florida I would think mccain would have a comfortable lead/

  99. I’m going to stop believing any of these polls because they are so all over the place, i believe they are now just making it up for whoever pays them.

  100. wbboei, today Plouffe of the Obama campaign announced they intend to spend 39 million in Florida alone. Obama is already outspending McCain in Florida although McCain is finally spending in Florida.

    If you are interested, check out Ambinder’s chart on campaign spending.

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php

    Note that 77% of Obama campaign ads are negative and 56% of McCain’s ads are negative. Big Media says it’s McCain who is running more negative ads though.

  101. Admin, he’s just a “bucket of Plouffe.”

    He can outspend JMac all he wants – no amount of money will help his sales of his stinky product. Voters are learning that it’s false advertising, flim-flam, three-card monte, the ol’ okey-doke.

  102. 39 million, are they mental. They must think that Florida is the only real shot they have then, if they are spending that much.

  103. looks like mcCain is not that worried about Virginia, Obama spending 800K compared to McCains 300K but Obama is worried about PA and Florida.

  104. There is no way in hell they are going to spend 39 million in Florida, no way, they are trying to make mcCain spend cash there instead of elsewhere.

  105. mj Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Agreed, neetabug. I mean, here is a man who when he lost to Bobby Rush and realized how popular he was in the white side of town, literally gerrymandered his own district to have less south side AA’s and more wealthy whites. What kind of person does that?

    ====================

    First I’ve heard of Obama being behind the gerrymander. Do you have a cite with more detial?

  106. Just got a robo-call invitation to a conference call with Women for McCain featuring Carly Fiorina. They’re on it!

  107. Central Florida do not like Obama, the northern part wont go his way, the southern part may not. Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami, maybe.

  108. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    mj Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Agreed, neetabug. I mean, here is a man who when he lost to Bobby Rush and realized how popular he was in the white side of town, literally gerrymandered his own district to have less south side AA’s and more wealthy whites. What kind of person does that?

    ====================

    First I’ve heard of Obama being behind the gerrymander. Do you have a cite with more detial?

    = = = = = = =
    The redistricting in 2001 for the 2002 primary was insane. Members of the IL house and senate literally drew their own districts if they were on good terms with the Speaker of the House and the two house members whose districts made up his senate district. BO’s were majority leader Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie and Rep. Lou Jones (deceased) and I know they were all pretty close. Most members of the house who were loyal to the Speaker got to approve their own districts. BO’s senate district extended from Hyde Park at about 55th street south, up to North Avenue on the north – mostly lakefront, including the “Gold Coast” so he could tap into the wealthy neighborhood. All true, although none of it made any sense until he ran for the US Senate. What did I tell you guys? Primordial ooze.

  109. HOLY SHIT! A PUMA just stood up in John McCain’s Michigan town hall and LAID IT OUT THERE!
    She talked about being disenfranchised, as a lifelong Democrat. She talked about the denial of the true roll call vote by the DNC, and how McCain had welcomed Hillary voters. She says that she is a PUMA, and several in the crowd yelled: We love you!

    She said that the media says that Hillary voters are not going to McCain, and they are WRONG. Palin started talking about Title IX, and how it helped her, and that there may need to be more legislation to provide more opportunities for women. McCain talked about the ENFORCEMENT of existing discrimination laws, and more women in Congress and other govt.

  110. Re Obama telling Iraqis to delay troop withdrawal till Obama was in office.

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13897
    according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.
    Instead, Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi told reporters that Obama told the Iraqis that they should not rush through what she termed a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of U.S. forces until after President Bush left office. In other words, the Iraqis should not negotiate an American troop withdrawal.

  111. The current spending patterns mirror the second-half of the Democratic primary, when Obama was pouring millions into OH, PA, TX, etc., trying to wipe out Hillary. Even though she was cash-strapped, Hillary won BIG in those states. The same thing is going on here — all the king’s horses and all the king’s men still can’t put Obama back together again.

  112. HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
    HOLY SHIT! A PUMA just stood up in John McCain’s Michigan town hall and LAID IT OUT THERE!
    She talked about being disenfranchised, as a lifelong Democrat. She talked about the denial of the true roll call vote by the DNC, and how McCain had welcomed Hillary voters. She says that she is a PUMA, and several in the crowd yelled: We love you!

    She said that the media says that Hillary voters are not going to McCain, and they are WRONG. Palin started talking about Title IX, and how it helped her, and that there may need to be more legislation to provide more opportunities for women. McCain talked about the ENFORCEMENT of existing discrimination laws, and more women in Congress and other govt.

    Good for her. Hopefully more PUMAs will speak out.

  113. admin Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    wbboei, today Plouffe of the Obama campaign announced they intend to spend 39 million in Florida alone. Obama is already outspending McCain in Florida although McCain is finally spending in Florida.

    ******

    I’d be leery that they “announce” anything….it’s so obviously tactical, surely it’s designed to force McCains hand

  114. lol

    Tucker Bounds (McCain campaign spokesperson): “So let me get this straight — they turned away Lindsay Lohan, but Barack Obama has friends like unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers and convicted felon Tony Rezko? Maybe LiLo is just too upstanding for Barack Obama.”

  115. Lost the post but if some Jewish intrests ar mad at Obama for Hllary cancelling her appearance at the rally — better they should be mad at Obama than at Hillary! Doesn’t he have anyone else who could appear? If Palin is going, why not Biden?

  116. Clinton Fundraiser Endorses McCain in ‘Personal’ Decision
    September 17, 2008 6:55 PM

    ABC News’ Hope Ditto Reports: Top Hillary Clinton fundraiser and member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee Lynn Forester de Rothschild endorsed Republican presidential nominee John McCain on Wednesday.

    Speaking to members of the media at the Capitol Hill Club, Rothschild denied that Clinton had any influence over her endorsement decision, stating that the two have not spoken since before the Democratic National Convention in August. Rothschild said her endorsement decision was a personal one and one that came after consideration of the vice presidential picks and convention performances.

    “I really think that they [McCain and Palin] will bring the bold, bipartisan, centrist change we need in Washington,” said Rothschild.

    Rothschild went on to cite specifically McCain’s record in the Senate as a primary influence in her decision. She said in such an important election, where economic and foreign policy issues are on the forefront, she considers McCain the best choice.

    “John McCain will look for the best solutions to America’s problems. He is not an ideologue and he is not beholden to special interests.”

    Rothschild said she hopes her decision to publicly endorse McCain will give like-minded Democrats the confidence to follow suit.

    Though Rothschild said she has not yet met Sarah Palin, she “thinks she is pretty cool,” and wants to see a woman in the White House this election cycle. And Rothschild says that Palin’s conservative beliefs don’t concern her.

    “I am pro-choice and I am sick and tired of Democratic party using the choice issue using it as a noose around womens’ necks,” Rothschild said. “Bush has been president for eight and we still have every right to choose what we do to our bodies.”

    While the announcement may raise eyebrows, those following Rothschild through the course of the primary are less than shocked by her deference. While still working on Clinton’s behalf, Rothschild said of Obama to CNN in July, “frankly I don’t like him. I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him.”

    During her tenure as a Clinton fundraiser, Rothschild brought in more than $100,000 for the campaign. A lifelong Democrat, Rothschild served on the DNC’s Platform Committee, a position she said on Wednesday that she will now abdicate.

    Still, her party loyalty is not lost. Quoting Reagan, Rothschild mimed, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me.”

    And, she is still maintaining some of her liberal mentality. When asked if McCain really invented the Blackberry, Rothschild retorted without hesitation, “No, that was Al Gore.”

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/clinton-fundrai.html

  117. smart move by Hillary:

    ——
    Palin Camp Points Fingers After Clinton Cancels Appearance at Iran Protest with Her

    By Anne E. Kornblut and Colum Lynch
    Washington Post

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has carefully avoided a showdown with Gov. Sarah Palin for the last few weeks — and now her circle is infuriated by an attempt to lure the two into a joint event.

    Clinton canceled an appearance at a rally next week in New York, which she had planned to attend in her official capacity as the state’s junior senator, after the event’s organizers surprised her by extending a last-minute invitation to Palin. Clinton had agreed to appear weeks earlier.

    Clinton advisers said that the senator did not want to turn the rally, intended to protest Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s appearance at the United Nations, into a political circus by having the two women share the stage. She has attended the event before, and considers it important to her constituents, the advisers said.

    In response, the McCain campaign on Wednesday accused Clinton of dropping out “presumably at the request of the Obama campaign” — and used her change of heart as an opportunity to attack Obama over his positions on Iran.

    “Instead of pressuring Senator Clinton to withdraw and pressuring the event’s organizers to disinvite Governor Palin, we hope Senator Obama will consider lending his own voice to this cause. And if Senator subsequently wishes to clarify any remarks that might be misconstrued, he will have the opportunity to meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions after he speaks at the UN the following day,” McCain-Palin spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.

    The Obama campaign declined comment. Clinton advisers said the senator dropped out of her own accord.

    While Palin has no record on issues involving Iran, one of her new advisers does: Mark Wallace, who is conducting her debate preparation, left his position as the Bush administration’s US representative for UN management and reform earlier this year and became executive director of United Against Nuclear Iran, an organization established this summer to draw attention to Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.

    The organization, which was partially modeled on the Save Darfur Coalition, was set up by a diverse group of Republican and Democratic foreign policy experts, including former U.N. ambassador, Richard Holbrooke, Middle East trouble shooter Dennis Ross and former CIA chief R. James Woolsey. Its web site, which includes its mission statement, blocks public access.

    The group will hold its first public event, a cocktail reception and film viewing, on Monday, at the Millenium Hotel across the street from U.N. headquarters. The event will take place hours after Palin is scheduled to appear at the Ahmedinejad protest. One of the protest’s organizers, Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, denied Tuesday night that Wallace had arranged for Palin’s participation in the event.

    It is unclear how active a role Palin will play in next week’s UN General Assembly gatherings. Senior UN officials said that the Bush Administration has not expressed any intention so far to bring Palin into the U.N. headquarters or to meet with U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon. She may, however, attend events organized by the U.S. government, including a Monday night dinner for President Bush and other foreign dignitaries at the Waldorf Astoria.

    “If the United States wants to have her or anyone come as part of their delegation they can do that,” a senior U.N. official said. “As long as they credential her she can come in: it’s a U.S. call. But we have been blissfully out of the line of fire in the US political debate and we’d like to stay there.”

  118. Illinois Underground Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
    “The redistricting in 2001 for the 2002 primary was insane.”
    ===========

    Just wait for 2011/12

    Common Cause has been fighting for regulating who does the redistricting, its on the ballot in CA Prop 11, the lawmakers want to retain control and Common Cause wants to have a special commision draw the districts…who do I trust? It ain’t Pelosi and she’s against it.

    hey birdgirl take note of this one it’s important too! I’m voting yes but read for yourself, ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_11_(2008)

  119. debbie: Interesting to read, who is against it:

    “U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, and the California Democratic Party all oppose Prop. 11, which opponents see as creating a confusing and overly complicated process for drawing political districts to mask a hidden agenda. [1]

    Leading civil rights organizations also oppose Prop. 11, including the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the NAACP and the Asian-American Pacific Legal Center. These groups have expressed concerns that Prop. 11 offers no assurance of representation for any community in the redistricting process. With only 14 people appointed to draw districts for 37 million Californians, most cities and counties will have no representation at all. ”

    I want it taken out the lawmaker hands. That is the fox minding the hen house, if they maintain control. Hasn’t this been done before, and is the reason why, so many seats are unchallenged?

  120. McCain, Palin take questions at Grand Rapids town hall meeting
    by The Grand Rapids Press
    Wednesday September 17, 2008, 8:00 PM

    John McCain and Sarah Palin speak Wednesday evening at the Ford Fieldhouse.To chants of “Sarah, Sarah,” Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. John McCain took the stage at Grand Rapids Community College’s Ford Fieldhouse Wednesday and echoed similar themes heard in previous stops the past two days.

    After making brief remarks from their stump speeches, McCain and Palin opened the floor to questions in their first joint town-hall appearance.

    “Governor Palin and I will not raise taxes. It’s the worst thing you can do,” said McCain, R-Arizona, before he took questions.

    A combative questioner began by chiding McCain and saying he disagreed with him and that McCain is wrong when he addressed him as “my friend,” and asked what a McCain administration would do to fight terrorism and “radical Islam.”

    McCain, whose foreign-policy credentials are widely noted, responded that it would be a challenge but it would be a matter of taking the fight to the countries and madrasas where terrorists are trained.

    Palin generated more cheers when she asked to follow up. Saying her running mate is often too humble, she reminded the crowd of that McCain pushed for the surge in Iraq and was ready to lead the fight.

    There was no shortage of questions. As soon as either candidate finished an answer, hands shot up.

    In the 70-minute town hall meeting, the candidates covered a lot of ground, responding to questions on a wide variety of issues:

    • On energy, Palin and McCain echoed each other’s pledge to look for places to expand drilling, off-shore and through exploration across the states.

    • On health care, McCain praised the U.S. system as the best in the world and denounced any proposals for government-run health care.

    • On defense programs: McCain promised not to cut back on spending on military arms and troops.

    • Palin responding to a question about her knowledge of foreign policy, said she’s confident and prepared.

    “If you want specifics, go ahead and ask me. You can even play “Stump the candidate.’ ”

    McCain followed up and points to Palin’s experience leading an oil-producing state since energy independence is vital to our national security and points to her role leading the Alaskan National Guard.

    With hands still waving, McCain acknowledged the number of people with questions and said, “We have to come back.”

    http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/09/mccain_palin_take_questions_at.html

  121. I bet Obama couldnt do a townhall like this, he wouldnt be able to answer, he’d flail which is why he won’t

  122. Concession on offshore energy drilling clears path for quiet exit for senators
    By Manu Raju
    Posted: 09/17/08 08:03 PM [ET]

    Two parties that started September headed for a bitter clash that could have shut down the government are now preparing for a quiet departure as each tries to shift into campaign mode.

    Democrats have given in to GOP demands to lift a decades-old ban on expanding offshore drilling, paving the way for must-pass legislation to keep the government running after Oct. 1.

    Several senior Republicans say that concession makes it highly unlikely that the GOP will block the measure — and effectively shut down the government — even if the legislation includes other provisions the conference opposes.

    Meanwhile, Senate GOP and Democratic leaders have brokered a major deal to extend business tax breaks, patch the alternative minimum tax and renew dozens of expiring energy provisions — a bill each side said was necessary to complete before Election Day.

    A big Senate debate expected this week over Iraq and President Bush’s troop surge never panned out, with enough Republicans siding with Democrats to advance a massive defense policy bill and choke off a long list of amendments.

    And in another sign that Democrats don’t plan to wage a big fight, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Wednesday that he won’t combine a stimulus package that the GOP opposes with a stop-gap spending bill.

    Even though the partisan rhetoric has sharpened, the movement on legislation has been jolted by election-year realties and fear among lawmakers of appearing insensitive to the worsening economic situation.

    “We’re coming together on a whole bunch of things here,” said Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.). “I think maybe there’s a moment where we’re seeing the situation is grave enough that we’ve got to be grownups.”

    By conceding to the GOP demands over oil drilling, Democrats are seeking to blunt the campaign slogan that they are standing in the way of lower gas prices.

    In the meantime, Democrats have seized on the Wall Street crisis to launch a coordinated broadside connecting the blame with presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and the Republican Party.
    continue…..

    thehill.com/content/view/76322/70/1/1/

  123. ‘Well, if Pelosi is against it, I’m for it.’
    ********

    bird ditto…

    i used to be against it, cause i thought it was a republican takeover…. now, it might be the only way to get rid of some of these treacherous party leaders.

  124. On Wednesday night, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are trolling the web for women voters.

    At 8pm Eastern, the Obama Campaign is broadcasting what it bills as “one of the largest women’s web forums in history.” Hillary and Joe will chat with women voters about “equal pay for equal work, reproductive health, expanding the Family Medical Leave Act” and Social Security, says the campaign, taking questions that were posted online over the past few days. The event even has a clunky title, “The Women for the Change We Need Week of Action Video Forum.” Today the Obama Campaign is also circulating a YouTube video of a presentation from the Democratic convention about “Women for Obama.”

  125. 8pm, thats basically when a lot of women are feeding the family, or putting the kids to be or actually relaxing, what a dumb time.

  126. “The Women for the Change We Need Week of Action Video Forum.”

    Why not just call it, “The women who need change but don’t appear to know or understand the changiness of change and who might vote for Mccain if we don’t reel their asses in action video forum”

  127. Campbell tried to say that Lynn was bitter because she won’t support Obama.

    Lynn simply smiled indulgently as if at a ranting child, and told her that Obama called people who cling to their guns and religion bitter and called “rednecks” bitter. She concluded by saying that if calling her bitter was the only way they could rationalize her reluctance to vote for Obama then by all means call her bitter.

  128. mj Says: Actually, my father noted there are nearly no women in prominent positions in the Obama campaign
    ==========

    h t t p : / / seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdockonline12.html

    An excellent article about McCain’s staff (Senate?) pay equity but Obama’s female staff get 83 cents to teh dollar for men. In comments someone ‘defenced’ Obama by saying McCain had older women in higher positions.

  129. skmf12 Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    ========

    Thanks for a useful comment. Outsiders watch this site, some of them may be reporting to Hillary’s campaign. We hard core PUMAs here may be the miners’ canaries: if even we are having an unexpected reaction, it may be time for the campaign to reconsider some things.

    Putting such remarks in all caps makes it easier for the outsiders to see them. Maybe we insiders should just skim any all caps or &*%&%&* kind of posts so we don’t get upset.

  130. sorry turndown,

    i was watching sarah…

    look i know i’m weird, but i have always believed i could talk to hillary from this site… long ago i started trying to communicate. if i was hill, i’ld be checking 44 out regularly…
    i just want to let them know how we feel. but ofcourse, i guess it doesnt matter now… i must keep my attention focused on reality. its obama that matters now. how to get rid of him is really the only issue.

  131. I couldnt give a stuff who was monitoring this site, what we say is fuck all to do with them, this is our site, we’ll say what we like proudly. You got that spies.

  132. What a breath of fresh air! Hannity’s interview with Palin was one of respect and fair play. There were no “gotcha moments or bitterly tense moments as with Gibson. I look forward to seeing the 2nd part tomorrow night.

    I thought that Sarah Palin did very well.

  133. I couldnt give a stuff who was monitoring this site, what we say is fuck all to do with them, this is our site, we’ll say what we like proudly. You got that spies.

    Moon?

    STFU.

  134. Yes Idunn, is there a problem, why should’nt you say your piece without having to worry who’s spying on you, thats censoring yourself.

  135. and I was talking about bots and Obama’s crowd who are spying on us, nobody else. So please dont tell me to STFU.

  136. I may be a little dense, but why would Obama want Hillary to cancel the meeting with the Jews and Palin??
    Would it show how stupid he was for not asking Hillary to be his running mate or is he just sick of Hillary getting some press? What’s up with the cancelation.

    Wbboei, I wonder how much SOros has to do with all the financial institutions going belly up? Gas is up near 4 bucks again, I guess they blaming IKE. Why would Soros want to start the shock doctrine just a little before the election whey his boy is behind in the polls. Fear always works!

  137. I do care what others (spies?) take away from here. I care because I consider myself more civilized, educated, and honest than they are, and I will not stoop to their level.

    Using slang once in awhile is natural because the frustration we have here has to do with the ongoing slander of us not only as Hillary supporters, but as genuinely concerned people about the lack of honor and experience of BHO. Furthermore we are concerned about the leadership of the democrats and what they have done to the party.

    Once in awhile I see it’s healthy to let it rip, I just hope we are careful of each other in doing so.

  138. skmf said
    September 17th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
    i have always believed i could talk to hillary from this site… long ago i started trying to communicate. if i was hill, i’ld be checking 44 out regularly…
    i just want to let them know how we feel.
    ===========

    I AGREE! HILLARY NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN SOME OF US ARE UPSET WITH HER.

    The more outsiders who see it, the better. CAPS ARE GOOD FOR THAT.
    Then outsiders can pass the info along till someone in the campaign does see it. (HI, BEN).

    As to specifics, I’m horrified at Hillary defending Obama’s lipstick thing! Something really wierd must be going on. This motivates me to work harder for Sarah.

  139. Rove got disgusted at Colmes sputtering Bambi talking points in his whiny way, and blurted out, “Alan, you’re embarrassing yourself!”

    LMAO

  140. McCain said: “Instead of pressuring Senator Clinton to withdraw and pressuring the event’s organizers to disinvite Governor Palin, we hope Senator Obama will consider lending his own voice to this cause. And if Senator subsequently wishes to clarify any remarks that might be misconstrued, he will have the opportunity to meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions after he speaks at the UN the following day,” McCain-Palin spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
    The Obama campaign declined comment. Clinton advisers said the senator dropped out of her own accord
    ==========================

    Ooooh, snap snap BRAVO!

  141. McCain’s campaign quickly countered saying McCain’s pays women on his senate staff better that Obama does.
    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/faced_with_palin_womens_groups.html

    =================

    McCain pays $1.04 to women vs $1.00 to men. Obama pays women $0.83. McCain has more high level women on his starf than Obama does.
    For cites search for Deroy Murdock iirc.

  142. Lynn Forester de Rothschild was very good on Greta Van Susteren’s show. She spoke about her middle class upbringing and said she was getting mixed reviews from friends regarding her endorsement of McCain/Palin. She specifically said that she has problems with a government run by Obama AND Pelosi AND Dean.

    For those that want to send Lynn de Rothschild some HillaryIs44 love, the contact page to reach her is

    http://together4us.com/media.html

  143. OH MAN… I LOVE LYNN!!!!

    LYNN ROCKS!!!!!!!!

    after everything, she is willing to stand up to the democratic party, and vote her concience… thanks for giving us an address for her admin…. 😀

  144. Lynn Forester de Rothschild said it right on Greta, Pelosi has taken the party too far to the left and it is not a good thing to have congress and the presidency in the control of one party because there are no checks and balances.

    AMEN

  145. debbie, she did not just say one party, she specifically referred to the Pelosi/Dean/Obama coalition controlling all of Washington, and how that bothered her.

    That comment will fly over the heads of many, but PUMAS and others know EXACTLY what she was saying. She was saying EFF YOU to their little coup. Lynn has declared war on the takeover of the DNC by the Children of the Corn, my friends. I’ll bet Nasty Nancy is LIVID.

  146. I sent Lynn Forester de Rothschild some love. I also, saw her on Greta, and I agreed with everything she said. We do need a divided government. BO as president and a democratic congress scares me. Imagine how beholden he is to Pelosi and Reid, and all the other vipers.

  147. Well, this is rather interesting, if true. Did Soros use MoveOn to drive stock prices down so he could cash in on Haliburton?

    THE SORO-MOVEON.ORG-HALLIBURTON-OBAMA CONNECTION

    1. George Soro and Associates Give $6.2 million to MoveOn over a 6 month period. (September 2003)
    (Reference: discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6201)

    2. MoveOn.org Pac went after Halliburton for making billions during the Iraq War. Moveon.org overstated their case in ads. (2004)
    (Reference: factcheck.org/anti-bush_ad_overstates_case_against_halliburton.html

    3. MoveOn.org attacks motivated the left to politically attack Halliburton. (2004)
    (Reference theleftcoaster.com/archives/002137.php)

    4. Halilibrton’s stock drops 70 cents in 2006.
    (Reference:charlotteaction.blogspot.com/2006/07/army-to-rebid-halliburton-units.html)

    5. According to papers filed with the SEC, in the fourth quarter of 2006, Soros purchased nearly 2 million shares of Halliburton. This is nearly $62 million, or 2% of his total portfolio, in Halliburton, the major government contractor criticized by his own Open Society Institute and the group he funds, MoveOn.org.

    (Reference: theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/5332-George-Soros-Buys-Halliburton-Stock.html)

    6. Soro and MoveOn.org support Obama. According to the NYT, Sorro and his family members have given Obama’s campaign $60,000. MoveOn.org is one of Obama’s biggest contributors, giving $347,463.

    (Reference: .nytimes.com/2007/04/03/us/politics/03obama.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

    opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638)

  148. okay, not to gag everyone, but can you believe this?
    this just cant be right….

    SHEESH….
    ****************
    The votes are in: Michelle Obama is best-dressed.

    Obama made Vanity Fair’s International Best-Dressed List for the second year in a row, based on a poll of fashion insiders in the issue that hits newsstands Wednesday.

    “Michelle Obama connects to the modern woman. She has a real woman look to her but is even bigger and better,” said Amy Fine Collins, a special correspondent for the magazine. “She has a sleek style that’s not overdone. … She’s beautifully dressed without too much fuss. She puts on the dress and goes — and it’s always a good dress.”

    One of the best, according to Fine Collins, was the purple one by Maria Pinto that she wore with a black Azzedine Alaia belt on the campaign trail in Minnesota last month.

    “The Alaia shows she’s a little bit of a fashion insider, but it’s more of her intelligence and independence that shows through,” Fine Collins says.

    Obama was named to the list alongside French first lady and former model Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, actress Sarah Jessica Parker and Kate Middleton, best known as Prince William’s girlfriend, among others.

    Vanity Fair inherited the best-dressed list from Eleanor Lambert, the fashion publicist who had established it in 1940. She died in 2003. Ballots go out to fashion insiders and are compiled by the magazine. “We consider ourselves the electoral college that oversees the popular vote,” Fine Collins explains.

    She thinks Obama has taken the right cues from Jackie Kennedy, including the pearls and sheath dresses, but seems much more modern because she’s not overdone. “You have a sense of her as a physical person on the move and on the go, not a paper-doll cutout.”

    Meanwhile, Fine Collins says Cindy McCain’s style is fairly unremarkable. “It’s a style people have seen before. It’s not going to inspire someone to say, `I want to look just like that.’ She’s not doing anything wrong — she’s nice looking and has nice clothes — but then you move on and forget her.”

  149. Vanity Fair

    Are they kidding!

    Must be in the tank for Obama.

    I know of no one who wants to dress like her.

    Some of her clothes were terrible

  150. okay she has a good body, but her cloths suck.
    its like school marm on steroids. she looks severe, and she dresses severe, it says, ‘back off’, she always looks ‘cold’ and pissed.

  151. I have done business with simpson thatcher but never met lynn. What I saw in that video was the highest form of advocacy. She is not a pitbull however she is much more dangerous.

    Articulate answers to every question and an undercurrent of charm. Made Wolfe feel dumb for asking. Then kidding the little turd about calling her an elitist while still on camera.

    Suppose you were a judge and two attorneys appeared before you to represent their respective clients. One was Lady Rothchilde who you have just seen. The other was the screaming bard of boca raton (literally mouth of the rat) senior wexler don’t call me an ambulance chaser.

    How would you proceed? I would ask attorney Rothchile what damages she was seeking for her client, give it to her and when Wexler started to object I would bean him with my gavel and hold him in contempt as everyone else does.

  152. wbboei, Lynn is not barracuda-dangerous, she is silky smooth and dripping graciousness dangerous. I agree, very effective.

  153. Suppose you were the head of the republican senate leadership–mcconnel or ensign. If Hagel was with Obama, and obama said what he allegedly said about Iraq and Hagel didnt tell you about it would you be just a little pissed? It appears that we had to find out about it through the Iraqis. That is a flat violation of the law. a subterfuge of american diplomacy, playing politics with US lives. I would be talking to Lee Hamilton et al over that one. I have to believe conversations like that are taking place, across partisan lines. The guy is a disaster.

  154. wbboei, Lynn is not barracuda-dangerous, she is silky smooth and dripping graciousness dangerous. I agree, very effective
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    Hillary4Texas: agreed. The charm breaks down the defenses and she moves in for the kill. I wish I had seen the one with snooty campbell brown/

    Admin>is there any way you could post that one?

  155. wbboei, if you want to know how someone will USE power in the future, look what they have done with the power they’ve been given.

    I see a man who has jealously clutched power for himself, always. Taking credit for others work. Refusing to consider Hill as VP. Opposing a real roll call. Tightly controlling his bot army. Never using his power to take a stand on ANYTHING in his legislative career. Using legal challenges and thuggery to intimidate during elections. Shutting out downticket Dems now trying to give him advice.

    This guy has not used power for good in his whole life. He has only used his current power to secure MORE power, in an endless quest. You NEVER trust people like that with more power. Ever.

  156. wbboei Says: playing politics with US lives. I would be talking to Lee Hamilton et al over that one. I have to believe conversations like that are taking place, across partisan lines. The guy is a disaster.
    ===============

    And abouat him last summer having a private conference with an Israeli head and then coming out and telling the press they confided that Israel planned to attack Iran if Iran got nukes. And then he backtraced and said that was the impression he got!

  157. Michelle Obama connects to the modern woman. She has a real woman look to her but is even bigger and better,
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    She does a great immitation of Lurch The Butler on the Addams Family.

  158. And abouat him last summer having a private conference with an Israeli head and then coming out and telling the press they confided that Israel planned to attack Iran if Iran got nukes. And then he backtraced and said that was the impression he got!
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    Turndownobama: you are right. There is a fine art to diplomacy. It is all about protocol, honor, no surprises, incrementalism, threats by indirection, gradualism, courtesies and confidences. Headlines are carefully crafted and presented. And it is a profession for people who are cool and analytical. Obama has none of those attributes of character. Literally, I guy like him could get us into a war. In the field of labor relations it is no uncommon to have a strike and neither side knows what it is about why it happened or what the issues are. It is just a battle of egos. I worry about a guy like Bambi if he gets in the hands of Putin.

  159. Dick Morris–for what it is worth:

    McCain’s Numbers

    222

    delegates for McCain

    + 68

    leaning McCain

    290

    McCain

    Obama’s Numbers

    146

    delegates for Obama

    + 26

    leaning Obama

    172

    Obama

  160. no way dick morris saying bambi losing!!!! means bo was bought by the GOP!!!

    Dick morris went to kenya to advise Raila odinga; obama’s cousin….caused enough headaches there..

  161. mp: Bambi was bought by the GOP early on. Karl Rove got Texas oilmen who supported Bush to provide early contributions for Bambis candidacy, as part of the Rove Brazille conspiracy to defeat Hillary Clinton. Rove has zero role in the McCain campaign you will be glad to know.

  162. Who exactly brought the banks and oil companies to the table (for Obama) still remains to be ferreted out, but it wasn’t Dean or Brazile, or even the man who placed Obama on the speaker’s list at the 2004 Democratic Convention, John Kerry. It’s more likely that Karl Rove huddled with top Bush fundraisers to set that gravy train in motion. Among the candidate’s money bundlers were George Kaiser and Robert Cavnar, both oil industry executives. (City Edition)

  163. wbboei,
    Rove’s oilmen donating to Obama early makes sense: grooming him to fit the ‘creative class’ slot Brazile was talking about in 2004 iirc in Salon?

    But were Rove’s donors (or some GOP equally far-sighted) behind Brazile, Pelosi, etc in the first place? How did so many &%$’s get in power in the Dems in the first place, even after teh Clintons had Shown the True Way in the 90s?

  164. Hello,
    I’m a long time lurker. This is my second attempt posting. The first time my post didn’t go up. So I’ll treat this as a test and keep this short.

  165. Turndownobama: I do not know. But it is a crazy world now. My suspicion is no. I do not see republicans donating to poopsie or brazille. They hate them.

  166. Central Florida do not like Obama, the northern part wont go his way, the southern part may not. Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami, maybe
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    I have known alot of Cubans and they will not vote for Obama. They are a strong Republican coalition and they do not like arrogant elitists.

  167. Confloyd: he is deeply involved in it. He has been speculating in mortages and oil. Like a vampire he moves by cover of night.

  168. By Anne E. Kornblut and Colum Lynch
    Washington Post

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has carefully avoided a showdown with Gov. Sarah Palin for the last few weeks — and now her circle is infuriated by an attempt to lure the two into a joint event
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    Kornbut is a sleeze ball. The showdown is the debate. The participants are palin and biden. Hillary is not a candidate for vp. And who the hell is infuriated (besides me at phony jouralism).

  169. wbboei,

    Out of such a nest of Rovians, is McCain a sincere reformer? I think Palin is, but can she really succeed on a national scale as she has in Alaska?

  170. Did Hillary defend his lipstick comment?? OH NO!!!
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    ?!!!!????? Chosin Reservoir?

  171. Obama seems on a bit of a comeback. Let’s finish him off with someone like charming Lynn who can make the case that if you liked Bush, you’ll love Obama.

  172. Turndownobama: mccain is a reformer on some issues and not others. Campaign finance reform, immigration reform and banking reform would be high on his list. On taxes, military appropriations and probably business isses he would be more like the status quo except he would insist on competent goverment and a continuation of the current regulatory network. He is definitely a populist. Sara is more ready to be vice president than Obama is ready to be president.

  173. Well folks, nothing is beyond Palin’s enemies.

    Her personal email acct and that of Todd Palin, have been successfully hacked and emails and photos put on the internet.

    The Feds are already involved. Boy are those hackers going to be sorry.

    They are from some group called Annonymous.

  174. wbboei said: Sara is more ready to be vice president than Obama is ready to be president.
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    I meant, is it possible for Sarah or anyone to have as much success taming the oil companies nationwide (which may involve worldwide) as she did in Alaska?

    Got your email, must think….

  175. As for HIllary, just to muse a little….

    She has BEEN president. Co-president, which is what she would be again.

    She knows what it would be like. The work, pressure, attacks (even from a Dem congress apparently). At a victory we could cheer lightheartedly; she is the one who would have to go home and do the work, dodging snipers from all directions worse than ever.

    She may have been running on account of duty, knowing that she is the best for the job (and of course wanting to push her causes). She might be selfishly relieved. Certainly another term in the WH would be hard on Bill. She may not CARE about 2012.

    After what she’s already been through — impeachment, investigations, her staff threatened with jail iirc — what’s going on now may mean very little to her.

  176. Beyond disgusting, Obama trying to stir up trouble, could he trying to incite violence because you just know one of his loony fans is going to take it too far and say Obama told me to do it

    texasdarlin.wordpress.com/.

    Now we know where Obama’s mean, nasty, abusive followers get their marching orders. At a Nevada rally Wednesday, Obama said this to about 14,000 people:

    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,”

    Nice. So much for the politics of hope and unity. So much for teaching our youth how to be good citizens and neighbors. So much for teaching tolerance, respect, and bi-partisanship. If someone doesn’t agree with you, especially if they don’t choose Obama, just get in their face and pick a fight.

    Is this how Obama plans to train his National Citizen Service Corps?

  177. Well folks, nothing is beyond Palin’s enemies.

    Her personal email acct and that of Todd Palin, have been successfully hacked and emails and photos put on the internet.

    The Feds are already involved. Boy are those hackers going to be sorry.

    They are from some group called Annonymous.

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    Best thing is they found nothing but whip up a shitload of sympathy for the woman and probablt 5 years in jail for themselves, the media cannot report any detail of a single email found in there because if they do, they are commiting a felony and any website such as DU that posts them can be shut down. (please let there be a god)

  178. wbboei,

    I really dont know about the story about Hillary defending the lipstick thing. Just saw a headline or something. Too disgusted to read the story, if any. It may have been nothing more than brushing off a reporter’s questuion.

    I’ve just been getting a strange flash at odd times of Hillary doing something that would humiliate any non-steel woman (though hopefully she is impervious to). Having to repeat his slogan ‘change we can believe in’. Then perhaps having to defend him on the lipstick dogwhistle, same whistling as he’d done at her. It just seemed like twisting the knife and rubbing salt, as though HE had some very wierd thing about … backstabbing and humiliating an older woman….

    Probably it’s nonsense, coincidence. I’m sure Hillary wouldnt’ really be causght in something like that. To her it’s probabaly all just part of the territory, or nothing at all.

  179. Thankgoodness it was probably just a headline. I can’t imagine she would do something like that. I watched that video of Lynne, that’s really something. Good it makes me feel alot better voting for McCain.
    I am now working with a Chicagoan, he says there is no mob in Chicago and that Daley is a good major and there is no Daley machine. I think the magnet he is working at the hospital has finally affected his brain. I will continue to dig stuff out about Chicago. He knew about Rezko and did not want to comment!

  180. confloyd do the sensible thing and ignore, they will never ever get it that bambi s bad news. Some people you can smack the shit out of and they still defend their lord and master.

  181. news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080918/pl_bloomberg/avpbaubyv_qq;_ylt=AnLix7cwWusnsBLSfSstkqSs0NUE

    Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) — The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn’t equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can’t agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way.

    Lawmakers say they are unlikely to take action before, or to delay, their planned adjournments — Sept. 26 for the House of Representatives, a week later for the Senate.

    I mean wtf, they only come back and the Dems want to run away.

  182. And again Obama’s rhetoric re: going out and arguing/getting in the face of opposing voters, i.e. independents and Republicans…and his citizens corp idea… OMG! I am getting visions of Hitler’s Nazi youth again and it scares me to death.

  183. Didnt Reid talk to Obama before he opened his mouth, I’m guessing he includes Obama on this but unsettling that the supposed leader of Congress has no clue.

    Senate Majority Leader on Economic Woes: ‘No One Knows What to Do’

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/senate-majority.html

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, asked today what new regulatory actions Congress can take, said, bluntly, “No one knows what to do. We are in new territory here. This is a different game. We’re not here playing soccer, basketball or football, this is a new game and we’re going to have to figure out how to do it.”

    er………isnt that what they are paid for, this congress controlled by Pelosi and reid is a bloody mess to be frank and they want us to trust them.

  184. McCain Warned of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Meltdown in 2006: Democrats Ignored Him

    From the Congressional Record (May 25, 2006):

    Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

    The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

    The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

    For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

    I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

    I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

  185. When I hear the chosen one utter the change and hope line I think of Adolph stimulating his youthful followers and his sexccrazed women with the cries of Deutschland Uber Alles.The super race is being formed and prepared for their “The Legacy Of Restitution” in this country and it is going to be a real dangerous time for America

    By ABM90

  186. Those ARG polls are shockingly bad, look at the samples.

    WV where they have McCain 49 to Obama, the sample was 56% democrat 33% republican

    americanresearchgroup.com/pres2008/WV08.html

    No Wonder Obama was 7 ahead in New Mexico 51 to 44, the poll has a 51% democrat sample 32% Republican sample.

    americanresearchgroup.com/pres2008/NM08.html

  187. Susa are undersampling republicans big time in their polls, i knew there was something funky with their numbers.

    The last Ohio poll had McCain 49 to Obama 45

    The sample was 44% Democrat and 35% Republican and 17% indie

    and i’ve just looked at their new poll today out on New Mexico which has Obama up 51 to 44, however the sample was 48% democrat and 37% republican, hilarious, they are seriously overpolling Dems.

  188. Senate Majority Leader on Economic Woes: ‘No One Knows What to Do’

    Well, Harry, whip out your damn cellphone and CALL HILLARY. She knows what to do, you moron. She always has. But you waste time looking around the room and calling on every doofus and jock, trying to tease a coherent answer out of them. Meanwhile, the SMART girl with the answers has had her hand up for months.

  189. We all knew it, the pollsters are oversampling Democrats and think we won’t notice it, they are trying to rig the polls bambi’s way.

  190. MJ they did the poll in New Mexico with a 48% sample of Democrats compared to republican 37%, the generic ballot is within 5 now.

  191. nah mj, they are deliberately doing this, to boost Obama, they are even oversampling in big republican states, the west virginia poll they did had a 56% democrat sample to 30% republican to get to it 49/45 for McCain. Its so blatant its hilarious.

  192. More headlines today: Democratic Congress May Adjourn, Leave Crisis to Fed, Treasury

    Nancy and Company are all going to Hawaii to eat waffles. Actual governing makes them pissy and tired.

  193. Poll: McCain Better for Tough Decisions

    Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:27 PM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

    According to a Fox News poll, there appears to be a gap of between 10 and 20 points over how voters see the parties and what they think of the candidates. Between one-tenth and one-fifth of America’s voters feel that the Democratic Party would be the best for the country but like the McCain-Palin ticket better.

    Here are the issues:

    By seven points, they identify as Democrats more than Republicans. But by 16 points, they say that if they faced the “toughest decision of your life” they would go to McCain rather than Obama for advice.

    They think the Democrats will do better on healthcare by 19 points, but by 20 points they think McCain is more qualified than Obama to be president.

    They prefer the Democrats to deal with the economy by four points (down from 10 a few months ago) but feel — by eight points — that the Republicans better understand what it is like to live day by day in America.

    While they are more likely to vote Democrat for Congress, they rate Obama as more of a talker than a doer by 20 points and rate McCain the opposite by 15 and, by nine points, they think the Republican ticket has the better judgment than the Democratic nominees.

    If this were a nonpartisan mayoral election, McCain would win in a walk. If this were a European-style proportional representation contest, Obama would be the next president by a good margin. But our system is a unique fusion, of course, of the two — a decision on the candidate and on the party.

    How odd that Obama, with a world-class personality and an incredibly charismatic speaking style, should be losing the mano-a-mano contest to McCain, who is 25 years older and a foot shorter. But McCain has opened up a decisive lead over Obama, actually using the Democrat’s articulateness against him.

    Asked in the Fox News poll whether each candidate is a “talker” or a “doer,” voters perceive Obama as more of a talker by 15 points and see McCain as more of a doer by 24 points.
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  194. AP Refuses Secret Service Request for Palin’s “Hacked” Emails
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    They are a far left group, and the source of most of the negative press against Hillary picked up by local new service. Time and again we have seen them distort the truth for propaganda purposes. As previously noted, Beth Fouhey was enbedded in the Clinton campaign and was secretly conspiring with axelrod/plouffe. Therefore, their involvement in the hacked emails scandal is not surprising. The only question is the degree of their complicity, meaning was it simply after the fact or during.

  195. More headlines today: Democratic Congress May Adjourn, Leave Crisis to Fed, Treasury
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    Are they really that stupid? We know that bufoon Pelosi is but what about the rest of them?

  196. Senate Majority Leader on Economic Woes: ‘No One Knows What to Do’

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    Unbelievable. This is what I was saying yesterday. Watanbee asked whether this is similar to what was faced in Japan. He said no. We dealt with it gradually. You are trying to do it all at once. He was then asked if it would work. He said no because once you get over this mountain you are looking at the Himyalas. I dont care what the NYT says, putting a guy like Barcrak Banana in charge at a time of crisis is like turning the helm of a 120 foot MARCO crab boat in over to an inexperienced deckhand in a midnight storm in the Bering Sea which is to say nuts. Nobody in their right mind does that. And the poll noted above confirms it.

  197. Where is the fucking leadership Harry Reid. Even if you dont know the answer you dont say that. Do you want to undermine public confidence or are you just stupid. How about something benign like we are working on the problem, we will have a plan, it was not created overnight, it will not be solved overnight and we will be back to you once we have full buyin. They have no qualms about lying about other things. This is a white lie that might do some good, assuming they are willing to
    follow through with action. It would give them some breathing room. But this nobody knows what to do is an abdication of leadership. You now begin to see how really weak the democratic leadership is. If they had any sense they would take Hillary off the campaign trail where she is doing no one any good, and make her Senate Majority Leader so she could solve this crisis. Hillary, Bill and Rubin are the only three people who can figure a way out of this mess whereas Reid and Poopsie are like mr and mrs Herbert Hoover.

  198. Corrrection to my last: I am sure Hillary is doing good for the down ticket democrats who supported her in her presiential run. I am 1 million percent in favor of her campaigning for them and think it absolutely essential. But I think the other campaigning has become problematic if she is being forced to defend his lipstick on a pig comments. That is not where she needs to be.

  199. How did Obama become the second most politician that fannie and freddie gave money to, in just 3 short years? The fix was in long ago.

  200. The other point to dimwits reid and pelosi is there are people who know what to do, but the condition precedent is leadership Harry.

  201. What I don’t see talked about much is Obama’s involvement with Chicago investment companies. IIRC, B. Merry did some work on this awhile ago. One of Obama’s major initiatives in the Illinois legislature was to open the state pension funds to minority investment companies. Millions of dollars were pumped into “real” and minority “fronted” investment companies, most of whom lost money for the pension funds but collected the fees. These companies and their employees gave a lot of money to Obama for his political campaigns.

  202. IIRC, Obama’s old law firm boss, Allison Davis was also involved in the “investment” fraud, in addition to his involvement with Rezko.

  203. Yet another point–and real food for thought. Maybe this is all a big overreaction. After all the fundamentals are sound–whatever that means. But assuming arguendo that this is a crisis then who has the leadership skills and integrity to lead the country out of it. If you say Barcrack Banana then you have assumed the risk that he will do to the american people what he did to the soldiers in Iraq–postpone a solution to make political hay and PLAY POLITICS WITH AMERICAN LIVES.

  204. and I was talking about bots and Obama’s crowd who are spying on us, nobody else. So please dont tell me to STFU.

    I was kidding, Moon. Just playing on the tone of the conversation in here yesterday. 😉

  205. What I don’t see talked about much is Obama’s involvement with Chicago investment companies. IIRC, B. Merry did some work on this awhile ago. One of Obama’s major initiatives in the Illinois legislature was to open the state pension funds to minority investment companies. Millions of dollars were pumped into “real” and minority “fronted” investment companies, most of whom lost money for the pension funds but collected the fees. These companies and their employees gave a lot of money to Obama for his political campaigns.
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    SHV: We will be addressing this chapter on talk radio.

  206. The liberal radical media is submitting Palin to a test of experience that they have not applied or required to the precious of the DNC. Although Palin clearly has more executive experience than Obama they still are questioning her capacity to be VP. The Palin bashing goes on day in and day out.

    The irony is that the executive skills of the would be president of the DNC have never been tested as Palin’s have and she has proved as Mayor and as Governor that she has the judgment to lead the country if necessary.

    What strikes me is that many women seem indifferent and remained silent to the double standard applied to Hillary and know to Palin. Why is that? I ask myself.

    This apathy may well be the reason why women’s rights have progressed so slowly during the past decades. We are still underpaid; we hardly are considered for high positions and definitely are not up to the presidency or vice-presidency of the USA according to the media.

    The media in USA is the first power, they are ruthless and biased, they do whatever they want and are not accountable to anyone. They brainwash us every day and they make the news instead of reporting it.

    They are shamelessly and openly promoting the candidacy of Obama. If you have any doubt watch Cafferty, Wolf, Mathews, Olbermann, Campbell Brown and how they jump all over the people that support MCcain or supported Hillary.

    Yesterday Brown was completely rude with Lynn Forester de Rothschild. She made questions and did not allow her to answer and was overly aggressive and even called her bitter. Why are we so complacent with the media and allow them to get away with it. Shouldn’t they be held to ethical standards that require al least objectivity and balanced reporting?

    People wake up this has to stop NOW. I am not saying that women have to vote for other women if you consider they are not the best choice, all I am saying is that we need to support and defend other women that are being unfairly attacked and discriminated or submitted to a double standard. Until we do so we will never break that glass ceiling that affects us all. And we need to stand up to the media and demand just and fair treatment of the issues and people that are subject to public scrutiny.

  207. In response to:
    HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    skm, STFU. Hillary has not said one damn bad thing about Palin. Leave Hillary alone.
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    NO one admires and respects Senator [should be President] Hillary Clinton more than I, but I fear that continued silence is not a good thing in reference to men vs women and women vs women, especially for her on the vitriol of sexism and misogyny in this election year. Bill and Hill are NOT Obama’s trained lap dogs, so why are they beginning to look that way to people like me? I understand that Hillary and Bill MUST do thier part for party unity….but that was accomplished eons ago. Their continued support of the Messiah wannabe, is not sitting well with me right now; neither is nObama’s continued pimping of the Clintons on his behalf. After all, Lincoln freed the slaves didn’t he – so why are Hill and Bill allowing themselves to be enslaved to nObama??????
    I told the Director? at the RNC Headquarters here that I would follow Hillary over the edge of the highest cliff, but if she thinks that I am to have ANYTHING to do with the DNC, undemocratic Democratic Party, or nObama breaking the spirit of the American Woman, they are sorely mistaken. While I trust Hillary and Bill to be smarter than myself, and to have a plan, and Oh God do I hope it is a good one!, IMHO they are coming off as lackeys for the undemocratic Democratic Party and seem to be enslaved by nObama. Surely to God they are bigger persons than that. I just do not think that the American Woman can wait until January to have her speak out about women’s rights as human rights – even in America. What do others think?

  208. Where is the fucking leadership Harry Reid. Even if you dont know the answer you dont say that. Do you want to undermine public confidence or are you just stupid. How about something benign like we are working on the problem, we will have a plan, it was not created overnight, it will not be solved overnight and we will be back to you once we have full buyin. They have no qualms about lying about other things. This is a white lie that might do some good, assuming they are willing to
    follow through with action. It would give them some breathing room. But this nobody knows what to do is an abdication of leadership. You now begin to see how really weak the democratic leadership is. If they had any sense they would take Hillary off the campaign trail where she is doing no one any good, and make her Senate Majority Leader so she could solve this crisis. Hillary, Bill and Rubin are the only three people who can figure a way out of this mess whereas Reid and Poopsie are like mr and mrs Herbert Hoover.
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    I’am so angry at the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY collusion to the spread of panic on Wall Street. Their sorry behavior this past few days from leaders in Congress was abysmal and confirm to me the LACK of INTREGITY and LEADERSHIP in Congress.

    It’s like the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY is happy to see American lose their jobs and see our Financial Markets in TURMOIL. And all the finger pointing the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY is doing to remove the FILTH of their own involvement in the Economic Downturn, like American people are not gong to spread the blame on the Democratic Congress incompetence in contributing to this mess, is treachery of the PUBLIC TRUST.

    The IDIOTS in the MEDIA also contributing to the short selling of our financial Banks by spreading rumors on those that are fiscally Strong should be a red flag of outside MANIPULATION of the WORST kind.

  209. How did Obama become the second most politician that fannie and freddie gave money to, in just 3 short years?

    Larry has a blog up at NQ on this.

  210. The liberal radical media is submitting Palin to a test of experience that they have not applied or required to the precious of the DNC. Although Palin clearly has more executive experience than Obama they still are questioning her capacity to be VP. The Palin bashing goes on day in and day out.
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    I was watching Morning Joe this morning and Tucker Carlson said something that explained what is going on.

    The Arrogant media believes that no one can survive through that intense pressure the media is putting Gov. Sarah Palin and that she will break and make a mistake. They are counting on that fact and will continue to pour on the pressure.

    This election has been very eye opening for me and has made me rethink alot about my own political beliefs.

  211. The actions that Harry Reid and Pelosi have taken regarding the economy will not bode well for Obama or the DNC. This proves more than ever that Obama is not ready for primetime and that Reid and Pelosi need to be exiled permanently.

    I hope that McCain strikes back on this.

  212. carbynew:

    I feel like you ….this election has been an eye opener..

    Amnd yes these short selling has been rampant…I bet even soros did that and did not lose any money at all…

  213. Caffeen Queen Blog:

    Listen Up! This is NOT about Hillary Clinton! It’s about Barrack Obama!
    August 25, 2008 by caffinequeen

    I’m so tired of all the sore loser and bitter dead-ender comments out there. They want to spin this party implosion as being all about Hillary Clinton’s supporters being “spiteful”.

    I know you’ve seen it. It’s everywhere. According to these commenters we are voting against Obama only to spite him because he “won” and Hill “lost”. I guess they got tired of calling us racists and republicans. Maybe it was getting old and not sticking. Now they’re on a “spoiled brat, spiteful, sore loser, bitter, old hag” stchick.

    When will these people ever figure out that name calling, guilt trips, scare tactics, threats and intimidation is NOT the way to win votes or recruit support? Did they ever hear the phrase “You will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”? Guess not.

    Here’s the truth. Are we pissed off that Hillary Clinton the distinguished Senator from New York, former First lady of the USA and the best candidate to come along in years is not our party’s nominee? Damn right we are! Are we voting against and refusing to support Obama soley because of that anger and dissapointment? Hell NO!

    There may be a few Clinton supporters who would disagree with me and say it’s their only reason but truthfully there are very few who feel that way. Sure we’re all bummed but I was bummed when Kerry won the nomination in 2004 as I have been bummed many other times but I still voted for him.

    Recently I had some coment made asking me whether I would have voted for George Bush out of spite if it had been Hillary who lost the nomination to Kerry. Answer? NO and Hell NO! He wasn’t my choice and I didn’t like it but I voted for him. Why? I trusted him more than I would ever trust Bush. I didn’t like him that much but he was by far the lesser of two evils in that situation. This is NOT the case in this election cycle. Far from it in fact.

    People who try to tell me that Obama’s policies are “nearly identical” might as well save their breath because it’s bullshit. His policies, are a parade of ever changing pandering that even some of my far left friends who supported him are having a hard time keeping up with. Whatever they are today you can rest assured they will be different tomorrow or as soon as it becomes politically expedient that he change them. Again.

    Pure and simple, straight from this horse’s mouth, so to speak. We will not vote for him because he is not the right person for the job. He is not even close. No choice for VP, not even Hillary would have ever made up for that. We don’t think he’s up for the job and more important than that we DO NOT TRUST HIM!

    He has proven to be naive at best in his reaction to the current Russia/Georgia conflict as well as incompetent on almost every other major issue. Were he to become the POTUS it is my sincere belief that the country would be in complete economic chaos within the first year of his administration.

    Then we have his ideas on foriegn policy (again naive and foolish), National Health Insurance (don’t even get me started on this one) and taxes (raising the Capital Gains Tax has been tried before and proved ineffective and unsucessfull).

    The we have the issues of his dangerous associations and all the endorsements from people like Louis Farrakan, NOI, Black Panthers, Hamas, Kim Jong Il, Osama bin Laden. He may not have asked for those endorsments but the fact that people like this support and endorse him is very telling indeed.

    Let’s see Rezco (set to be sentenced a week before the November election), Ayers (flag burning, fire bombing, self admitted terrorist who wishes they had done more), Auchi, Odinga, ACORN, Rev. Wright (God Damn America Rev. Wright) and the list goes on and on and on. Why is this guy associated with so many radical, terrorist types? Not to mention convicted criminals. How come they all seem to love Obama so much? Why do they flock to him in droves? You think maybe they recognize a kindred spirit?

    To the person or persons who keep sending me comments threatening me and telling me to shut the fuck up: Dream on ! I will not shut up! If it was only that easy! In the words of the famous Tweety Bird “You don’t know me vewy well now do you?” Oh, and BTW, I am self employed so there goes that threat too! Tough day for you huh?

  214. I see where the New York Times had a poll this morning declaring that bambi is more likely to deliver change. That is a predictable response since that has been the thrust of his half billion dollar campaign. The poll is irrelevant.

    Change . . vague, ambigouous change. Not solutions (he has none), not reform (come on he is a product of the Chicago machine), not stability in a time of reform (that it old school thinking)–not freedom of speech (he suppresses it in the name of unity) . . .just change–and in a time of financial crisis change like his may be equivalent to chaos.

  215. Colo. Professor Investigated For Palin Assignment

    DENVER, Colo. (CBS) ― Metro State College in Colorado is investigating a professor who asked students to write an essay critical of Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin. One student said the instructor singled out Republican students in the class and allowed others to ridicule them.

    “I was shocked, I was holy cow, this is just an open door for him to discuss politics with us,” said Jana Barber, a student in the class.

    Barber shared the first class assignment with CBS Station KCNC-TV. Instructor Andrew Hallam asked students to write an essay to contradict what he called the ‘fairy tale image of Palin’ presented at the Republican National Convention.

    “What the faculty’s responsibility is to provide opportunity for critical thinking and civic engagement so bringing something of relevancy into the classroom was the faculty’s goal,” said Cathy Lucas, spokeswoman for Metro State. “Should he have broadened it and included all the political figures, yes.”

    Metro State officials are investigating claims of bias, harassment and bullying.

    Hallam declined an interview with CBS Station KCNC-TV. He has revised the assignment.

    Students may now write about any of the candidates.

    bs2chicago.com/campaign08/palin.essay.denver.2.820374.html
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    The hard left is losing it and it should be a red flag on how the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY would act to those who disagree with Obama leading this country.

  216. A financial crisis and Barack Obama is equivalent to a Reichstag fire. It becomes justification for shock doctrine policies. Let us hope it does not come to that. The answer is leadership and coodinated efforts between countries. Will China help or sit this one out. Either way they stand to win this round.

  217. “What the faculty’s responsibility is to provide opportunity for critical thinking and civic engagement so bringing something of relevancy into the classroom was the faculty’s goal,” said Cathy Lucas, spokeswoman for Metro State. “Should he have broadened it and included all the political figures, yes.”
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    A little like the kid who kills his parents and pleads by way of defense that he is an orphan.

  218. New York Jews favor McCain over Obama
    A Siena poll found some quite surprising results when it surveyed 626 likely voters this month and asked if they planned to vote for John McCain or Barack Obama:

    McCain leads Obama … wait for it … by 22 percentage points—54 to 32.

    Of those, according to Steve Greenberg, the spokesman for the Siena poll, 77 were Jews, or 12 percent of the sample. That is Siena’s best guess of the size of the Jewish vote in New York state in November. With a sample size that small, the margin of error for the Jewish voter sample is plus-or-minus 11 points.

    That means the poll could be off by as many as 11 points in either direction — i.e., McCain could be leading by as little as 11 points or by as many as 33. (UPDATE: I got this wrong; this stat could also mean they’re tied or that McCain is more than 40 points ahead or anywhere in the middle. For a clarification on this point, click here.)

    The only difference between the September poll and the August poll as a matter of methodology is that in September, Siena polled likely voters, whereas in August it only polled registered voters.

    The poll could, of course, be an outlier. But if it even begins to approximate the truth, it is huge news. No Republican has scored more than 39 percent of the Jewish vote in modern times, and that was Ronald Reagan in 1980, following a series of missteps by the Carter administration. These sorts of numbers for McCain have implications in two other states particularly — Florida and Pennsylvania.

    It would appear that Obama’s Jewish problem has returned, despite the best efforts of 300 rabbis. But two words lead me to believe this poll was, in fact, an anomaly: Sarah Palin. Since she joined the McCain campaign, undecided Jews seem to have been scared to the Democrats.

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/new_york_jews_favor_mccain_over_obama_20080918/

  219. carbynew, is the Left turning into a bunch of little fascist assholes run amuk, or what? Screw democracy and free speech, let’s shove OUR speech down everyone’s throat, because those stupid rednecks need to be told how to think.

    What the Left has been saying, loud and clear to me this election, is: “Yeah, I know we just spent 8 years yelling about the Bush administration and their running roughshod over freedoms and democracy, but we really didn’t care about that. Not really. We were just pissed that it was THEIR bullyboyz in power, not OUR bullyboyz in power.

  220. STFU?

    Does this stand for St. Francis University?

    I’ve seen a lot of recommendations for this university on this web site recently. Apparently, it must be an unpleasant institution of higher education, because the contexts and references to it are either a) offensive, b) defensive.

    To quote Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along??”

    Obviously, we all bring different perspectives, and we agree on many things and disagree on others. Now we have to witness Hillary do her subtle dance of officially supporting Obama, so she can help other Dems and keep her name in good standing within party circles. Let’s let her make her own decisions, I’m sure she knows what she’s doing.

    But if it makes some of ya a bit squeamish, or “sold out”, you are entitled to your opinions.

    I think a mature attitude on this site differentiates us from the rabid lefties, and also the rabid righties.

  221. birdgal Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am
    “Change you can believe in

    Isn’t that BO’s slogan?
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    It was but McCain co-opted it and now McCain owns it.

  222. If the McCain camp has good oppo research on BO, time to bring it on. They’ve gotten all the mileage out of the Palin pick that they can.

  223. Saint Obama Comes Down to Earth:

    Many of the things that Barack Obama did to soar past Hillary Clinton during the primaries are now causing him problems as the general-election race tightens.

    Obama once ran successfully as a novel outside critic of Washington. He posed as a politically correct critic of discrimination of all sorts. As an idealist tired of the old Washington doublespeak, Obama mesmerized thousands with sermons against incumbent dinosaurs.

    Obama’s own sense of sainthood was only strengthened when he wowed swarms in front of European monuments, and stepped out on a Democratic National Convention stage replete with Greek columns.

    But the loftier the moral expectations Obama created, the more the disappointment grew when they couldn’t possibly be met.

    Take Obama’s signature “hope and change” mantra. It was a natural rallying cry. Either a Bush or Clinton has been in the White House for the last 20 years. Voters were unhappy with the current president – and yet apparently didn’t want another Clinton. Meanwhile, the economy has been rocky, and much of the American public has grown tired of our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Obama’s change was aimed against long tenure in Washington – or so he hammered away at Hillary Clinton for nearly a year. But then suddenly he picked as his vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden, the consummate Washington insider. That attempt at balance was understandable, but it only seemed to legitimize opposition charges that Obama himself valued long D.C. experience – and was no less calculating than any other politician.

    Next Obama attacked outsider Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin for her own unfamiliarity with national government. Fair enough. But again, that tactic still bothered voters: Wasn’t the Alaskan governor a fresh – and welcome – face just like first-term Sen. Obama? And wasn’t Biden a stale old-timer in Washington – and if so, as suspect as veteran John McCain? And, come to think of it, wouldn’t it have been better to have the experienced candidate at the top of the ticket, balanced by the outsider at the bottom, rather than vice versa?

    Suddenly we are hearing constantly about sex and age in this campaign – and that also deflates St. Obama, who promised not just to be the better choice, but the better person. He once ran as a post-racial candidate, until Obama’s past associates like the racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright cast doubt on that.

    And why was Gov. Palin characterized by Obama as a mere small-town mayor – and by Biden as a “lieutenant governor,” as well as “good looking” and, given her positions, “a step backward” for women?

    The pro-Obama media don’t help, sneering about what Palin wears, whether she spends enough time with her kids, and the minutiae of her husbands past conduct. The public certainly never hears about Biden’s grooming, the amount of time he spent with his children when they were young, or his spouse’s private life.

    Now a trailing Obama wants to get tougher and go more negative – in part by raising doubts about McCain’s age. Obama’s clumsy reference to putting “lipstick on a pig” raised, rightly or wrongly, charges of sexism, and in the same manner his reference to a stinky “old fish” was connected with John McCain – who, Obama earlier scoffed, was “losing his bearings.”

    Obama ran ads claiming – with careful wording – that McCain “lost track” and “couldn’t remember” how many houses he has and that he’s out of touch because he has never learned to use e-mail and the Internet (forget that injuries as a prisoner of war make keyboard use difficult for him).

    Like it or not, the perception is growing that Team Obama is focusing on Palin as a clueless hockey mom from way up north and on McCain as an old fogy. But that emphasis on sex and age doesn’t become a moralist, especially given Obama’s own siren warnings that his opponents might resort to racial attacks against him.

    Then there were Obama’s once-lofty progressive principles. Yet no Northern Democratic liberal like Obama has won the presidency in a half-century. So everyone knew that Obama sooner or later had to move to the center in the general election to win over independents.

    For the hope-and-change candidate, those natural readjustments now appear insincere and opportunistic – especially given that he had to move so far from the left to get to the middle. On campaign-finance reform, FISA, NAFTA, abortion, capital punishment, guns, Iran, Iraq, the surge and drilling offshore, Obama has fudged on his earlier positions in the normal way of savvy pragmatists – but not in a manner befitting angelic idealists.

    The new Obama probably will recover his temporary setback in the polls. But right now his problem is that disappointed independent voters are catching on that this saintly savior is all too human.

    Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/17/EDQB12VTGM.DTL

  224. I’m so knackered with this bloody election already, i wish it was over and Obama would disappear down a rabbit hile somewhere.

  225. Get, I just heard this that the Secret Service has apparently pinned the Palin email Hacker to a Chicago ISP Address.

  226. carbynew Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    New York Jews favor McCain over Obama
    A Siena poll found some quite surprising results when it surveyed 626 likely voters this month and asked if they planned to vote for John McCain or Barack Obama:

    McCain leads Obama … wait for it … by 22 percentage points—54 to 32.
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    I keep hoping that between public realizing (and if the media is shamed into covering unpleasant stories that they are trying to keep under wraps)
    a) how terrible of a leader Obama would make and how truly underqualified he is
    b) how Obama’s reckless backchannel discussions (Iraq withdrawl, NAFTA, etc.), where he acts like he is already King, prove he is undeserving to rule.
    c) how poorly he will perform in the debates
    d) how nasty his campaign will increasingly grow

    …that good old Democratic stalwart states like NY, CA, NJ, MA, etc., turn purple, or even reddish purple.

    A landslide loss for the Dems in a sure-thing year will help rid of the pestilence that has taken up residence in the Dummocratic Party. Really, I want McCain to win CA. to win NY. To win my little home state, Joisey.

    One flipped blue state, NY or CA, is instant death for the Obama campaign.

    If only Russert were there to play with the map on election night…Tweety will have to do.

    TV set: $199
    Popcorn: $2.00
    Beer: $10
    Champagne: $35
    Looking at a vanquished Obama-supporting “neutral” achorman witnessing the train wreck on election night: “priceless”.

  227. Obviously, we all bring different perspectives, and we agree on many things and disagree on others. Now we have to witness Hillary do her subtle dance of officially supporting Obama, so she can help other Dems and keep her name in good standing within party circles. Let’s let her make her own decisions, I’m sure she knows what she’s doing.
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    I agree with this caveat: there is no script for this. You have to take it one step at a time. Each step is a judgment call-a careful weighing of risks. There will be mistakes made along the way. Supporters can talk about them as long as we see them in context. We are not bots. The one thing I do not doubt is that she is one of the few people in either party who care about the American People than they care about themselves. I know that is a harsh indictment, but I firmly belive it is true. I have seen too many examples of it to believe otherwise.

  228. Obama on Wall Street: McCain’s Out of Touch; My Solutions to Come Later…

    It seems the centerpiece of the Obama argument on the economy is to shriek in horror that McCain began a sentence by saying the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.”

    On Obama’s campaign blog, there’s a lengthy transcript and video clip of Obama hitting McCain for saying this, and then an almost perfunctory, “Barack understands what’s going on and has a plan to jumpstart the economy, provide middle class Americans tax relief, support small business and create new jobs. He will work to help struggling Americans reclaim the American Dream.”

    To paraphrase Michelle Obama, this conversation doesn’t help my kids our economy. Even if Obama could conclusively prove that McCain is wildly over-optimistic in his assessment of the economy, that doesn’t necessarily mean Obama has the better solution.

    The New York Times’s business page has a pretty good assessment from Joe Nocera:

    Indeed, [the Wall Street turbulence] is not all that different from what is going on in neighborhoods all over the country. Just as homeowners took out big loans and stretched themselves on the assumption that their chief asset — their home — could only go up, so did Wall Street firms borrow tens of billions of dollars to make subprime mortgage bets on the assumption that they were a sure thing.

    That is the final parallel that exists between the housing market and Wall Street: the issue of moral hazard.

    For over a year now, many Wall Streeters have complained about government efforts to forestall foreclosures, saying that it would create the expectation that everyone should be bailed out, and that consequently no one would learn important lessons about the dangers of taking more risk than they could handle. Besides, they added, the housing market was never going to improve until housing prices found their natural bottom. And that wouldn’t happen until the government stopped trying to prop up housing prices.

    But in truth, you can say the same of Wall Street — it won’t learn any lessons, either, until firms that took foolhardy risks start to fail. One reason Lehman could not find a buyer over the weekend is because potential buyers were insisting on the same kind of taxpayer guarantees that the government had given JPMorgan when it bought Bear Stearns, or when it took over Fannie and Freddie. That’s the essence of moral hazard. When Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson refused to do so, the potential buyers went away.

    Upside? A few months ago, we thought the economy was in deep doo-doo because the price of oil had hit $147 per barrel. Today it’s near or at $90 per barrel.

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2JjYWE3YjvlODNjN24wODOwZjM3ZTFhM2U3YzFmZGU=

  229. ShortTermer Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
    I told the Director? at the RNC Headquarters here that I would follow Hillary over the edge of the highest cliff, but if she thinks that I am to have ANYTHING to do with the DNC, undemocratic Democratic Party, or nObama breaking the spirit of the American Woman, they are sorely mistaken. While I trust Hillary and Bill to be smarter than myself, and to have a plan, and Oh God do I hope it is a good one!, IMHO they are coming off as lackeys for the undemocratic Democratic Party and seem to be enslaved by nObama. Surely to God they are bigger persons than that. I just do not think that the American Woman can wait until January to have her speak out about women’s rights as human rights – even in America. What do others think?

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    Speaking only for myself, of course, I think I need to put my personal opinions about what Hillary should or should not do on hold for the time being. She is in the public eye and that’s good. She is holding her strength in the Democratic Party and that’s good.

    I have been noticing a creeping small-mindedness on this board lately – a venting of destructive emotionalism — weak whining, actually — rather than staunch support of Hillary Clinton in this difficult time.

    To my thinking, and probably to most of you, she remains the very heart, soul and brains of what the Democratic Party might yet become once we get past this time when ugly forces are in control.

    And I think she is a hero, but she is after all a human being, vulnerable, and I would never expect her to sacrifice the career of a lifetime on a single small battle just to give some of her followers the emotional satisfaction of pitching a few stones at the opposing forces. Smart leaders pick their battles carefully.

    If I want her to continue to have a strong career in the future, I must continue to support her and defend her as well as I can, in spite of my very inferior knowledge of what it might be like to walk in her shoes – especially in this difficult time.

    There were many proud boasts of “Hillary, we’ve got your back!’ on this board in the past year.

    I think it’s easy to stand by your friend when she’s winning, when she’s out on the front lines fighting heroically and inspiring you – doing all YOU think she should be doing.

    But I have no respect for fair-weather friends and I will not be one.
    That’s what I think.

  230. moononpluto Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    Get, I just heard this that the Secret Service has apparently pinned the Palin email Hacker to a Chicago ISP Address.

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    Imagine that.

  231. New Susa Poll puts McCain 6 ahead of Florida, still dont trust Susa as this sample is 41% republican and 43% dem but the interesting part is the break down of region.

    McCain is wining North Florida by 75% to 25%, central tied at 48/48 and the south about 55/45, no way Obama’s Florida with that split. McCains vote in south Florida is high because of the cuban and jewish vote, that will kill Obama.

    Obama needs to get about 70% of south Florida to stand any chance.

  232. New Florida SUSA poll puts McCain on 51 to Obam 45

    But the regions tell the story

    McCain is wining North Florida by 75% to 25%, central tied at 48/48 and the south 53/47, no way Obama winsFlorida with that split.

    The southern jewish and cuban vote will kill him.

  233. keep hoping that between public realizing (and if the media is shamed into covering unpleasant stories that they are trying to keep under wraps)
    a) how terrible of a leader Obama would make and how truly underqualified he is
    b) how Obama’s reckless backchannel discussions (Iraq withdrawl, NAFTA, etc.), where he acts like he is already King, prove he is undeserving to rule.
    c) how poorly he will perform in the debates
    d) how nasty his campaign will increasingly grow
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    True. And the one that really resonates with me is b) because it proves what Admin has been saying all along: Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

  234. “I think it’s easy to stand by your friend when she’s winning, when she’s out on the front lines fighting heroically and inspiring you – doing all YOU think she should be doing.”

    That is what I told the GF when she asked me if she should send more money to Hillary when it look as if the “Obama fix” was in. What I said was “If she was winning she wouldn’t need your money..true supporters come through when times are tough.”

  235. Someone in the McCain camp must rad this forum. The other day someone was saying that Obama does make his own decisions that his pimps do and McCain is alluding to that in this speech that Obama receives his marching orders from others.

  236. HOLY CRAP! McCain in Iowa just hit Bush. He said that the chairman of the SEC is appointed by the president, to protect the public’s interests. He has BROKEN the public trust. “If I were president today, I would fire him.”

    My paraphrase is not as strong as he said it. He really took a swipe at Bush. Points out his efforts to reform Freddie and Fannie in 2005. Says Obama has not lifted a finger to do anything. Poor judgement.

    He is now killing both parties on inaction – says the Dems don’t want to take action until after the election. Says they are using the economic crisis for political advantage, rather than working to fix it.

  237. lil ole grape- wonderful post. we don’t really know all the challenges that Hillary is facing right now.

    Btw, anyone hear that BO plans to spend 39 million dollars in FL? Was that on this forum? I’m losing track. LOL.

  238. I’m quite sure both campaigns are watching, they are watching to see what way the puma vote is swinging.

    so heres my message to both.

    message 1 : Hi Obama, we ain’t voting for you, got it, after what you did, just dont even bother, talk to the hand, we aint listening.

    message 2 : Hey Johnny, Good luck,kick his ass all the way back to chicago, we’ll do our best to put you in the WH, you get 4 years and then we will be back with Hillary again to cause a whole heap of trouble.

  239. lil o grape,

    That was a great post. I will just say that I don’t consider myself a “fairweather friend” if I question once in a while some of her actions at the moment, i.e. not attending the event in N.Y. I love Hillary and always will, but she is not perfect. I hope she triumps in the future just as much as you do.

    If that makes me the enemy, so be it.

  240. I can’t believe, the dimocrats are just throwing up their hands, “We don’t know what to do.” And they are breaking again? Another vacation? I do not want the dimocrats in charge of this country, if this is how the dimocratic congress is behaving.

  241. McCain needs to go negative fast…Ayers, Alinsky, etc…people must be made aware that BO is a socialist with Marxist tendencies…his race baiting is working again.

  242. If I were advising McCain I would tell him to hit Obama hard on all his hypocracy. If he can be shown for what he is namely a maniacal hypocrite he will be rejected. But you have to get specific. Thats why the backchannel repudiation of what he tells the American People is so probative. If Bill Oreilly wasnt such a phony he would be bringing this out.

  243. seriously who the fuck goes, oh the economies gone to shit, we’ll just leave it to the fed and go on holiday again, screw that, get to work you bastards and earn your money.

  244. I don’t understand the Dems’ decision either. What good are they if they won’t tackle pressing problems? Isn’t that what they’re elected for? I expect McCain and the GOP to make lots of hay out of this.

  245. talk about a gift horse of an ad, a video of the Dem Senate Majority leader going “no one knows what to do”

    If that doesnt scare the shit out of voters, then they are all sheep.

  246. September 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    Get, I just heard this that the Secret Service has apparently pinned the Palin email Hacker to a Chicago ISP Address.
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    Welcome to devils island my friend–and abandon hope all ye who enter.

  247. rjk: that is a huge amount of money for one state. Are there that many unregistered AA’s? Will they have a bus on every corner? How many dead people will vote?

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    Yesterday, we were hearing that a bad economy may be more beneficial to the Dimocrats. Might this be why, they are breaking? So nothing is done?

  248. JanH… thanks, I wasn’t singling out anybody — and I think it’s fine to question HRC’s behavior in the spirit of trying to understand, dig out info and learn, which is usually what we do.

  249. moon, Especially since the Dems are supposed to be better on the economy. I think that’s part of what’s helping BO right now. Is the Reid comment actually on video?

    jbstonesfan, I don’t believe the race-baiting is affecting his current poll numbers, but that’s just my opinion. I think the purpose of those statements is to set up an excuse if he loses.

  250. birdgal Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
    I can’t believe, the dimocrats are just throwing up their hands, “We don’t know what to do.” And they are breaking again? Another vacation? I do not want the dimocrats in charge of this country, if this is how the dimocratic congress is behaving.
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    If America is hurt over this election by certain tactics to get power, their will be a major backlash on those leaders. The Democratic? Taliban Party is the Majority and the Congress better come together and fix what BOTH party broke.

    I still can’t forgive the blatant hysterical irresponsibility of those in the media and those in TEAM OBAMA fueling panic on wall street.

    I’m still amaze that Short Selling is still being allowed at this time.

  251. seriously who the fuck goes, oh the economies gone to shit, we’ll just leave it to the fed and go on holiday again, screw that, get to work you bastards and earn your money.
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    It aint about change anymore it is about stablility. They dont get it. That is because they are not leaders. If they would just give the ball to Hillary they would score a touchdown. Senate Majority Leader Now!

  252. birdgal, Good point. They likely think it’s better politically to do nothing than do something and get criticized for it.

  253. “It aint about change anymore it is about stablility.” -wbboei
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    That’s IT! BO’s entire campaign just went pouf.

  254. “Yesterday, we were hearing that a bad economy may be more beneficial to the Dimocrats. Might this be why, they are breaking? So nothing is done?”

    Birdgal, exactly!

    And on top of Obama trying to manipulate what is happening in Iraq, it all reeks of the worst type of manipulation ever!

    The people appear to come last with the Democrats at the moment. It’s just disgusting!

  255. wbboei Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Caffeen Queen Blog:

    Listen Up! This is NOT about Hillary Clinton! It’s about Barrack Obama!
    August 25, 2008 by caffinequeen

    I’m so tired of all the sore loser and bitter dead-ender comments out there. They want to spin this party implosion as being all about Hillary Clinton’s supporters being “spiteful”.

    I know you’ve seen it. It’s everywhere. According to these commenters we are voting against Obama only to spite him because he “won” and Hill “lost”. I guess they got tired of calling us racists and republicans. Maybe it was getting old and not sticking. Now they’re on a “spoiled brat, spiteful, sore loser, bitter, old hag” stchick.

    *****

    This sounds like the Freudian era when women were pegged as “hysterical.” Double-standard-sexism is at the heart of these kinds of caricatures of women (the other issue is that not all PUMAs are women, but society can only rationalize it as that)…

    I mean if 2 men competed fiercely for the Democratic party nomination, and one won, and the other’s 18 million supporters decided to break for the Republican candidate, they would never accuse them of sore losers – they would be fair those breaking for the Republican are in disagreement about issues…not because of emotional hysteria.

  256. # jbstonesfan Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
    McCain needs to go negative fast…Ayers, Alinsky, etc…people must be made aware that BO is a socialist with Marxist tendencies…his race baiting is working again.
    *************
    I think you give Obama too much credit by saying that he believes in anything. The only “ist” that he believes in is narcissist and from the behavior of his goons, the only “socialism” would be modeled on “National Socialism” and the only Marxism would be of the Stalinist variety. I really think that he is a psychiatric case.

  257. If the McCain camp has good oppo research on BO, time to bring it on. They’ve gotten all the mileage out of the Palin pick that they can.
    ——————————————-
    I agree. I wanted them to go all out a week ago with tought stuff on Bambi as this would have blunted the attacks on Palin. Once people make up their minds on things it is hard to reverse it. But they have their own stategy and agenda. It seems more targeted and surgical. And they are not going to change if for us clinton dems. You know what–if they win the election thats fine. There is no pride of authorship here.

  258. Governor Palin on Hannity:

    “I certainly didn’t mean to hurt his feelings. Didn’t mean to offend any community organizers either.

    I do have respect for those who have chosen public service. What I was doing certainly, should be obvious, was direct a comment to him as he had taken a shot at small mayors across the nation.

    Small mayors, mayors of small towns, quote unquote. They’re on the front lines, they’re held accountable every single day that they’re in office, with real responsibilities that do demand that accountability and invite accountability.”

    thepage.time.com/gov-palin-on-thursdays-hannity-and-colmes/

  259. # Paula Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    moon, Especially since the Dems are supposed to be better on the economy. I think that’s part of what’s helping BO right now. Is the Reid comment actually on video?
    jbstonesfan, I don’t believe the race-baiting is affecting his current poll numbers, but that’s just my opinion. I think the purpose of those statements is to set up an excuse if he loses.
    **************
    I also think that is the reason for the demographic models that “over” poll for Obama. By oversampling Dems, 18-35 year olds, AA, etc., they will have “scientific” proof of the Bradley effect and that racism is the cause of the massive Obama defeat. Or as Donna said, “The (racist) America just wasn’t ready for the messiah.”

  260. wbboei – I agree with you they needed to blunt the attacks on Palin. the amount of lies that the left-wing/moveon.org generated about her in the past 2 weeks was head-spinning, and they’re emailing it around to all their foaming at the mouth minions who then immediately repeat that Palin = the end of the world. OMG!!!!!!

    It has defined Palin now with the left, so that professors justify they can have their classes write negative essays about Palin because it must be “fact.”

  261. The biggest problem with dropping the bomb to early is that Obama given time has always talked his way out of it. He’ll give some big speech and all the networks will cover it live and then they will all praise him. They should drop the bomb the week before the election.

  262. Quote of the day from Obama:

    “The one thing that I want to insist on is that, as I travel around the country, the American people are a decent people. Now they get confused sometimes. You know, they listen to the wrong talk radio shows or watch the wrong TV networks, um, but they’re, they’re basically decent, they’re basically sound.”

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/ratfucker-in-chief/#comments

  263. patience mt young friend, best thing is to drop information at the right times, it will be just before and during the debates, its when it will dstabilize bambi most.

  264. John McCain Hits Obama Where it Hurts: His Connections to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    Posted by Kim Priestap
    Published: September 18, 2008 – 12:45 PM

    John McCain and Sarah Palin just concluded their rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, where they correctly laid the blame for the current financial crisis at the doorsteps of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And who has taken huge amounts of money from these two corrupt financial institutions? None other than Barack Obama himself. McCain outlined the details in his speech:

    We need reform in Washington and on Wall Street. The financial markets are in crisis. Times are tough. Enormous strain is being put on working families and individuals in America. I know that the events unfolding can be difficult to understand for many Americans. The dominos that we have seen fall this week began with the corruption and manipulation of our home loan system. The reason this crisis started was the abuses that took place within our home loan agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and within our home loan system.
    Two years ago I warned this Administration and Congress that regulations for our home loan agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, needed to be fixed.

    But nothing was done.

    Senator Obama talks a tough game on the financial markets but the facts tell a different story. He took more money from Fannie and Freddie than any Senator but the Democratic chairman of the committee that regulates them. He put Fannie Mae’s CEO who helped create this disaster in charge of finding his Vice President. Fannie’s former General Counsel is a senior advisor to his campaign. Whose side do you think he is on? When I pushed legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Senator Obama was silent. He didn’t lift a hand to avert this crisis. While the leaders of Fannie and Freddie were lining the pockets of his campaign, they were sowing the seeds of the financial crisis we see today and enriching themselves with millions of dollars in payments. That’s not change, that’s what’s broken in Washington.(emphasis mine)

    Absolutely right.

    As soon as I find the video of McCain’s comments in Iowa, I’ll post it.

    And while the financial crisis worsens, the people who helped create it, the Democrats, are running scared. I’m not exaggerating. They’re going to adjourn, leaving the Fed and Treasury to handle it. Harry Reid himself said no one knows what to do:

    The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn’t equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can’t agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way.
    Lawmakers say they are unlikely to take action before, or to delay, their planned adjournments — Sept. 26 for the House of Representatives, a week later for the Senate. While they haven’t ruled out returning after the Nov. 4 elections, they would rather wait until next year unless Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who are leading efforts to contain the crisis, call for help.

    One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that “no one knows what to do” at the moment.

    They’re cowards. They helped create this problem and now they’re taking off when their actions, or should I say lack thereof, have come home to roost.

    John McCain addressed this as well today:

    Those same Congressional leaders who give Senator Obama his marching orders are now saying that this mess isn’t their fault and they aren’t going to take any action on this crisis until after the election. Senator Obama’s own advisers are saying that crisis will benefit him politically. My friends, that is the kind of me-first, country-second politics that are broken in Washington. My opponent sees an economic crisis as a political opportunity instead of a time to lead. Senator Obama isn’t change, he’s part of the problem with Washington.
    Barack Obama took over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in less than 4 years, the second highest recipient of funds from these two institutions. Obama isn’t about reform. He’s a fraud. He’s a wolf masquerading in sheep’s clothing

    wizbangblog.com/content/2008/09/18/john-mccain-hits-obama-where-it-hurts-his-connections-to-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac.php

  265. I also think that is the reason for the demographic models that “over” poll for Obama. By oversampling Dems, 18-35 year olds, AA, etc., they will have “scientific” proof of the Bradley effect and that racism is the cause of the massive Obama defeat. Or as Donna said, “The (racist) America just wasn’t ready for the messiah
    ———————————————–
    Very perceptive. That is their game.

  266. This is unacceptable. The Congress is not going to do anything? Well, this needs to be broadcast, far and wide. They are doing this for political gain, at the expense of the American people. They don’t care about anyone else besides themselves. And they wonder, why, we don’t want to vote for BO. Meanwhile, everyone’s 401K is going down the tubes.

  267. Wow, that quote!

    Obama today: ““The one thing that I want to insist on is that, as I travel around the country, the American people are a decent people. Now they get confused sometimes. You know, they listen to the wrong talk radio shows or watch the wrong TV networks, um, but they’re, they’re basically decent, they’re basically sound.”

    —–

    …if that doesn’t show how elitist Obama is, I don’t know WHAT does.

  268. New York Times 2003: Dems Oppose Bush Plan To Rein in Fannie and Freddie

    patriotroom.com/?p=2135

    I think Obama may still have been 12 yeas old and still in his beer-and-blow years at that time, so there is no record of his position but how do Dems counter this, its pretty damning, don’t know what to make of it. Did we as Dems contribute to the problem

    The New York Times from September 11, 2003.

    The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. . . .

    The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

    Despite the attempt to curb the waste, fraud, and abuse, some Democrats were not on board. Barney Frank really looks like a genius on this one. And this guy was the ranking member on the Financial Services Committee.

    Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

    Yeah we need more stuff taken over and managed by the Federal Government. Those guys are really good at finance and mortages. Maybe when Obama wins he can make Franklin Raines the Treasury Secretary. That would sure be a change. Let’s bring crime, corruption, and mismanagement to the Cabinet level.

    The bottom quote:

    ‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’

  269. Looks like McCain is taking no Prisoners, he’s coming out swinging

    McCain Says Cox Should Be Fired As SEC Chief Amid ‘Casino’ Markets

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122175692668652881.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Republican presidential candidate John McCain, in remarks prepared for delivery Thursday, said he thought Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be dismissed.

    “The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the president and has betrayed the public’s trust,” he was planning to say in Iowa, according to a text released in advance of the speech by his campaign. “If I were President today, I would fire him.”

    In a speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sen. McCain said the SEC allowed abusive short-selling, or bearish bets on a company’s stock, to turn “our markets into a casino.”

    Short-sellers have been blamed for piling into commercial and investment bank stocks and driving stock prices lower. Investment banks have been suffering from heavy write-offs from subprime mortgage debt and their falling stock prices have made it harder for them to raise money.

    Sen. McCain also criticized Mr. Cox for eliminating a trading rule that acted as a speed bump to prevent short-seller from pounding a stock. The rule, known as the uptick, said traders could only place short-sales following a higher bid in a stock price. The SEC eliminated the rule in July 2007, and market participants have been urging the SEC to reinstate the rule ever since. Mr. Cox has said the rule is ineffective today since markets have changed since it went into effect around the Great Depression.

  270. birdgal Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    This is unacceptable. The Congress is not going to do anything?
    *************
    I think Reid is right but it was a very stupid thing for him to say. The Bush admin. allowed the treasury to be plundered and the economy to the gutted. They have tried to keep the balloon inflated by cutting interest rates and bail outs which most economists agree is only delaying and worsening the enevidible. I think the Repub. strategy was that since a Dem win was certain in Nov, delay the big crash until a Dem is in the WH and then go for sweeping wins in 2012. With a McCain win it could work just the opposite. What ever the political game playing, people on fixed income, such as myself, are totally screwed.

  271. “Berk, I can’t even believe he’s rebounded a bit in the polls.”

    It’s a ‘Bradley Bump.’ It could be all the race-baiting by Sebelius, etc. The Bradley effect doesn’t necessarily mean someone is voting against Obama because he’s black. It could mean the person doesn’t think Obama is qualified to be President, but if they say that to the pollster, the pollster will call them a racist. We saw that in New Hampshire primary.

    Playing the race card is a deliberate strategy to give Obama a ‘Bradley Bump’, even though the DNC knows it’s a mirage. Obama’s cult members are facing depression when he loses. To soften the blow, they may just stop thinking about Obama now, to brace for the shock, even shake off the kool-aid. They have already started coming to terms with his defeat–it’s better to get a head start now rather than suffer the whole shock all at once on November 4. So Obama deliberately uses the Bradley effect to artificially boost the polls.

  272. The Obamabots are getting desperate. I have never read such vile, lying crap about McCain and Palin until now…the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY are getting desperate and it show by how hateful the rhetoric is.

    Obama is going after his critics on the radio…Conservatives or PUMAs Obama is a little dictator and Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean have lost my respect.

  273. I’m getting increasingly irritated by Hillary Clinton’s recent behavouir.
    Why would you cancel her appearance at an anti-Iranian president rally in NYC?

    If she continues to take this approach, either let Obama get elected, or if Obama is defeated, I really don’t believe she will have much goodwill left. I know it will be hard pressed for me to support her in 2012. There is crisises all over the places, it’s time to show leadership, not to hedge your bet.

  274. September 18th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, lil ole grape Says:
    “But I have no respect for fair-weather friends and I will not be one.
    That’s what I think.”
    * * * * *
    Grape: thank you for your excellent post. It is a good reminder of what is really important.
    Remember when Hillary addressed her delegates at the convention, she admonished them to do as their conscience told them. IMO, that was also directed to all eighteen million of us. And, here at Big Pink, with the information and discussion that we are privileged to share, we are doing as our consciences guide each of us.

  275. Birdgal, I agree. It’s a pattern…we the enlightened vs. they the ignorant racists. There’s an article that goes with that. It’s quite good. You can find it in the comments.

  276. Charles Lemos has some of the political contributions (bribes) that Obama got from Freddie, Fannie and Lehman Bros. On interesting fact is that the F & F tally begins in 1989 but Obama is still #2 on the money list with less than 4 years in the Senate. I think that the “stinking fish smell” was coming from the “O”.

    http: / / http://www.bythefault.com/

  277. SHV Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    birdgal Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    This is unacceptable. The Congress is not going to do anything?
    *************
    I think Reid is right but it was a very stupid thing for him to say. The Bush admin. allowed the treasury to be plundered and the economy to the gutted. They have tried to keep the balloon inflated by cutting interest rates and bail outs which most economists agree is only delaying and worsening the enevidible. I think the Repub. strategy was that since a Dem win was certain in Nov, delay the big crash until a Dem is in the WH and then go for sweeping wins in 2012. With a McCain win it could work just the opposite. What ever the political game playing, people on fixed income, such as myself, are totally screwed.
    *****************************************************
    Oh please, do not repeat that weak DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY talking point. BOTH parties had a had in this mess…in fact the DEMOCRATS mess is in protecting Fannie and Freddie and not doing their own due diligence in oversight themselves, Bush in deregulating and having a passive SEC oversight and being to close to wall street.

    The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY is using this crisis as a political tactic and their behavior and lack of LEADERSHIP when so many American people look to them to serve the PUBLIC TRUST.

    I’ AM DISGUSTED WITH THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR!!!!

    PATHETIC!

  278. # birdgal Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    shv: They are playing games with people’s lives.
    *************
    Exactly…I am waiting for someone to start talking about holding people accountable. Big execs run a company in the ground and get a multi-million dollar parachute, health insurance execs deny claims to increase profits and people die; oil company execs are reaping record profits on the backs of working people and still want to increase their non-producing oil reserves in order to inflate stock prices. If someone robs a gas station and get 20 years and a health insurance exec can kill hundreds and get a bonus; then something is very screwed up. Maybe McCain will make his name in history as the “law and order” President. This country really needs another Theodore R.

  279. kostner:

    I will partially agree with you onn this anti-akhmejinad rally inn NYC.

    The reason given by her aides is not good enough.

    Actually hillary fell into the SNL skit trap…where they showed the intro moment:

    “palin saying there were invited together and Hillary butting in saying she thought she would be alone”.

  280. carbynew Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    ———————————————————

    The fact that Obama has not come forward to stop the behavior of his supporters or even condemned their ugly behavior is the most important thing here, at least in my opinion. He is responsible for what has happened. He has condoned the vicious attacks on Hillary, Palin, McCain, and anyone else who has the audacity to get in the way of his unholy venture.

  281. kostner Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    I’m getting increasingly irritated by Hillary Clinton’s recent behavouir.
    Why would you cancel her appearance at an anti-Iranian president rally in NYC?

    If she continues to take this approach, either let Obama get elected, or if Obama is defeated, I really don’t believe she will have much goodwill left. I know it will be hard pressed for me to support her in 2012. There is crisises all over the places, it’s time to show leadership, not to hedge your bet.

    —————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    Exactly!

    I feel the same way as you do. I think that she is seriously hurting herself.

    Did she actually say that she will run in 2012? I thought that may just be some peoples’ wishful thinking. What if she is eventually called out about this? Her silence about the sexism, but yet defending Obama’s lipstick statement is unsettling. She hasn’t come out against the sexism. Maybe Sarah Palin will.

  282. Hillary Clinton was saying months ago, like January, that Congress and the President needed to take charge now and work together but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, Howard Deam wanted their guy to win the nomination and didn’t do anything that would make Hillary shine and rise above Obama.

    SO no, I don’t give any slack to that corrupt bunch of egomaniacs in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY leadership. They are a bunch of COWARDS who put their own political gains before the country.

    I’ am so tired of this crap and I think the American people deserve better.

  283. Hillary Clinton was saying months ago, like January, that Congress and the President needed to take charge now and work together but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, Howard Deam wanted their guy to win the nomination and didn’t do anything that would make Hillary shine and rise above Obama.

    SO no, I don’t give any slack to that corrupt bunch of egomaniacs in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY leadership. They are a bunch of COWARDS who put their own political gains before the country.

    I’ am so tired of this crap and I think the American people deserve better.

  284. carbynew Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    ***************
    I totally agree..just look where the bribes have been going. But I also think that there is going to be a very painful market economic “correction” and there isn’t anything that Congress can do at this point in time, but make it worse. The think that hasn’t hit yet but is coming is inflation…people such as myself will see life long savings go int the toilet due to falling markets and raising inflation. I remember very well the early 70’s with weak economy and high inflation. Interest rates were close to 20%.

  285. Kostner,

    I don’t believe for a minute that Hillary has given up and gone to the other side. I think she really is between a rock and a hard place. I listen to her talk about Palin and it is about the issues. It isn’t personal. She has taken the high road. She is doing what she must to get ahead.

    At the moment she is working as hard as ever for her constituents in New York. She could have been campaigning for Obama day and night and she isn’t. While I don’t agree with her not attending that event, I don’t know the full story so I’m giving her a break.

    Hillary rocks!

  286. She’s Bacccccccccccccccccck

    hotair.com/archives/2008/09/18/michelle-obama-dont-vote-for-a-candidate-just-because-shes-cute/
    Michelle Obama: Don’t vote for a candidate just because “she’s cute”

    I guess since he could not get Hillary out to attack so he sent (TA DA) Michelle-o

  287. Idunn, are you there? Is the New Agenda doing anything to help Palin with the media bias?

    The New Agenda is basically concerned right now with establishing themselves as a force to be reckoned with. That means getting attention from MSM. Which they are getting, in small measures. But to answer your question, yes…they have taken several measures on Palins behalf. A boycott/subscription dump effort for the Us Weekly Palin cover, they targetted Olbermann for ouster , they an open letter to Reid demanding an apology for his “shrill” remarks, and several other things are in the works.

    On the website, there is a link to report sexism. My guess is that the founders go through the reports and target the ones most frequently sited.

  288. marie3548 Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    She’s Bacccccccccccccccccck

    hotair.com/archives/2008/09/18/michelle-obama-dont-vote-for-a-candidate-just-because-shes-cute/
    Michelle Obama: Don’t vote for a candidate just because “she’s cute”

    I guess since he could not get Hillary out to attack so he sent (TA DA) Michelle-o

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    Also, don’t vote for a candidate because he is: ……………………
    Black

    Attractive ( to some people, not me)

    charismatic

    says pretty words

    The above descriptions is not mine, but words that I have read that other people describe him to be.

  289. Jan,
    I agree. Hillary has to appear as supporting him, while secretly hoping he gets wiped out in November. Even though the DNC and the backstabbers of the party screwed her big time, she will need and can not allienate them right now (at least not until she wins 2012). After November it will be up to Hillary and Bill to pick up the pieces of the democratic party and bitch slap the so called party leaders back in line or toss them under the bus.

  290. Idunn:”My guess is that the founders go through the reports and target the ones most frequently sited”

    Well, that is going to take a long time.

  291. Don’t forget voting because the candidate is “fresh”, independent. Nancy said she lurved him because he was so “fresh”.

    (She knew this probably because she had already spent months walking around with her nose jammed up in his armpit)

  292. ShortTermer Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
    ===============

    I tend to agree. I haven’t looked into it closely so this is just a superficial reaction to headlines, but it sure is beginning to look like the Clintons are Obama’s slaves or something.

    Of course it isn’t aa bad as it could be, Hillary is being elaborately careful not to criticize Palin. But Hillary looks wimpy keeping quite against sexism worse than was addressed to her! — Supportig downticket Dems is the best move of course: especially Senators who could vote for ther as Majority Leader!
    See hrcforsenatemajorityleader09.com

  293. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
    ShortTermer Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am
    ===============

    I tend to agree. I haven’t looked into it closely so this is just a superficial reaction to headlines, but it sure is beginning to look like the Clintons are Obama’s slaves or something.

    Of course it isn’t aa bad as it could be, Hillary is being elaborately careful not to criticize Palin. But Hillary looks wimpy keeping quite against sexism worse than was addressed to her! — Supportig downticket Dems is the best move of course: especially Senators who could vote for ther as Majority Leader!
    See hrcforsenatemajorityleader09.com

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Exactly!

    Stumping for down democrats on continue to support her is a good thing for her quest of being Majority Leader. Hopefully, she will refrain from criticizing Palin because that definitely will be a suicidal move. Stop being Obama’s slave. Hillary owes him nothing!

  294. We have been focusing on Hillary, but is there ANYONE in the dimocratic party speaking out? Lady Lynn, but she isn’t a politician, and doesn’t have much to lose. I don’t hear ANYONE speaking out, besides PUMAs. What do you think?

  295. Lord God Almighty I saw the cnn clip of the interview which they dubbed as Lady Rothchile is schooled on her views.

    Lady Rothchilde mopped the floor with the ignorant little ninny Campbell Brown. Watch it yourself. The media is delusional.

  296. turned on the TV just as Sarah Palin was beginning to speak and then introduce John McCain in Cedar Rapids, Iowa today. To the best of my knowledge, this is her first roll-out of her new stump speech, and it’s chock full of her plans for action as a vice president as well as a few choice zingers against McCain/Palin’s opponents. It’s so good, I’m pulling it out of its spot below the fold:

    “When it comes to reform, has he hever once said, ‘We did’ instead of ‘I will’?

    I backtracked my DVR to be sure to catch every word of her speech. Here you go:

    “John and I — we’re discussing some new responsibilities that I’m going to have as your vice president.

    “First, I’ll help lead the mission of energy security. And here in Iowa, high gas prices — they’re making a full tank of gas seem like it’s a luxury nowadays. The cost of living is going up. The cost of groceries is going up. But the value of your paycheck is going down because of energy costs. People blame Washington on this one for doing next to nothing, and they’ve got that right. As governor, what I do now is oversee a very, very large portion of our domestic production of oil, coming from up there from Alaska. Recently, through negotiations, through compromise, and through a heck of a lot of competition being allowed, we got agreements to build a nearly 40 billion dollar natural gas pipeline to bring Alaska’s clean, green natural gas to you to very hungry markets down here.

    “And, as your vice president, I’ll help John McCain expand our use of alternative fuels. And we’re going to drill now to make this nation energy independent.

    “Folks, it is a matter of national security and future prosperity. We need American resources brought to you by American ingenuity and produced by American workers, and we can do this.

    “Second, I’ll help lead the mission of reforming government. And we’re going to make government more transparent and more accountable and more accessible for those who want to serve. We’re going to recruit the best people to run our agencies, regardless of party affiliation even, regardless if they have that Washington experience.

    “We’re going to do a few new things also. For instance, as Alaska’s governor, I put the government’s checkbook on line, so that people could see where their money is going. We’re going to bring back transparency. [applause] We’ll bring that kind of transparency, that responsibility and accountability, back to D.C.

    “And, third, I’ve told Senator McCain about a few things that I’ve learned as a governor and as a mom. Ever since I took the chief executive’s job up north, I’ve sought funding for students with special needs. And it’s an issue that has touched my heart beginning about 13 years ago with the addition to our extended family of a nephew with autism. And now we have been so blessed in our family with a special added perspective with the birth of our beautiful baby boy Trig about four months ago. We’ve joined so many American families that know that with some of life’s biggest joys sometimes come with some unique challenges.

    “We’re going to make sure that government is on their side.

    ‘When it comes to the big issues in our campaign — back to our opponent — he likes to point the finger of blame.

    “But has he ever really lifted a finger to help? Has he ever reached out a reformer’s hand to the other side of the aisle? Has he ever told his own party, ‘No!,’ so he could work well with others, to get others to say yes?

    “When it comes to reform, has he hever once said, ‘We did’ instead of ‘I will’?

    “John McCain and I — we are optimistic about solving the big problems. And why? It’s because we’ve gotten results. We have the track record, a consistent track record of being committed to reform and putting government on the side of the people. We’ve brought about change and reform.

    “And joining the ticket with John McCain, I know that it is a great privilege. To serve beside him as vice president of the United States will be the highest but also the most humbling of honors.

    “Our opponents have been going on lately about how they fight for you, they say. My running mate won’t say this on his own behalf so I’m going to say it for him. There’s only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you. …

    He is the only one ready to serve us as our 44th president

  297. The one thing that I want to insist on is that, as I travel around the country, the American people are a decent people. Now they get confused sometimes. You know, they listen to the WRONG talk radio shows or watch the WRONG TV networks, um, but they’re, they’re basically decent, they’re basically sound.

    Translated Obama: “All those stupid Americans really can’t help it that they are stupid, poor dears, so I will magnanimously forgive them their icky moron-ness. Aren’t I wonderful not to condemn them as the rubes they are? ”

    Ugh. God, does this man even KNOW what an strutting ass he sounds?

  298. Big Media is a used car saleman who is trying to sell the American Public a lemon named barack obama. History has shown time and again that he sells constituents down the river.

  299. birdgal Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    Quote of the day from Obama:

    “The one thing that I want to insist on is that, as I travel around the country, the American people are a decent people. Now they get confused sometimes. You know, they listen to the wrong talk radio shows or watch the wrong TV networks, um, but they’re, they’re basically decent, they’re basically sound.”
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Gee, thanks, Perfesser Obama, for pointin’ out how us simple folk can sumtimes get a littel dee-ranged, a little perthwickity in th’ head. But ya realize we’re good people, awful decent of you. I felt much better after you patted me on the head.

  300. Ahhh, the Obama quote must be how he feels he needs to do a better job of relating to the common people.

    It’s almost like he’s channeling the Master, William Jefferson Clinton.

    But his act needs a little polishing.

  301. Let’s let her make her own decisions, I’m sure she knows what she’s doing.

    ================

    She needs honest feedback to base those decisions on.

    HEY, HILLARY! WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO YOU? HELP PALIN!

    Hillary, by acting wimpy you’re giving some of us the impression that the Dems and Obama must be doing something terrible to you. That’s all the MORE reason for us to vote the bastards out!

    [ posting here and emailing to info@hillaryclinton.com ]

  302. Here’s more news re attempts of reform in IL from today’s Crain’s Chicago Business.
    * * * * *
    Jones caves on ethics bill; Senate to meet next week
    By: Greg Hinz Sept. 18, 2008
    (Crain’s) — Bowing to a request from “my friend Barack Obama,” Illinois Senate President Emil Jones Jr. midday Thursday announced he will call the state Senate back into session next week to take final action on a pending major ethics bill.

    “I stand by my interpretation” that the measure could have waited until after the November election, Mr. Jones said in a statement. However, he continued, “I plan to call the Senate back into session to deal with the issue of ethics, only at the request of my friend.”

    The statement does not say when the session will occur, but Mr. Jones’ spokeswoman said it will be “sometime next week.”

    Mr. Jones has been refusing to call back the Senate until November, even though Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan and others have warned that such a delay places the ethics bill in legal jeopardy.

    Some government watchdogs and political conservatives had begun to question why Mr. Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, would not intervene on a matter of such importance. Had the matter become a national story, it could have damaged Mr. Obama’s credentials as a reformer, coming after earlier attacks on his relationship with indicted fundraiser Tony Rezko.

    The bill involved would ban political contributions to statewide officials from those who hold a contract worth $50,000 or more with the office. Gov. Rod Blagojevich has moved to widen the bill with an amendatory veto, but the House voted to override, and the bill will die unless the Senate takes similar action.

    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=31060

  303. lil ole grape:

    Thank you for your comment re our girl and what she is doing….and what she probably has to do.

    I wrote here several weeks ago:

    “what would you have her do? What in the hell would you have her do?”

    I got no answer.

    Thank you for speaking to my heart, and from my heart.

  304. I may be wrong but I believe that Hillary has a good shot at winning the GE.Obamas fantasy world might just crash very shortly unless Fox thinks that McCain is a shoo-in.Hillary has plenty of time to seek the MJL role and is bidding her time until the dethroning of Obamas’ dream occurs.He is doing a great job of self destruction without putting the blame on her.With the present scenario Hillary is supporting him with very little enthusiasm and the AA vote can still be her trump card.Is there anyone in our fight to see thst she will our next CIC that thinks that he or she thinks they are smarter than the Clintons in this tough political battle? Well I say get a life and watch what they have planned for their and our country.This fight is far from over and our trust and faith in them will be rewarded as we watch Barack Hussein Obama going down in defeat whining and crying about the way he is being unfairly treated.The race card was your idea so now live with it you*!%*!@##$^&*#.

    By ABM90

  305. Just saw on CNN about NOW endorsing Obama and not Palin. That seems very ridiculous for the fact that should the headline read: NOW endorsing Obama, not McCain.

    Last time I checked, McCain was on top of the ticket. Seems as if Obama is running against the vp. It would make him look even more foolish if he loses to the vp in the GE. LOL!!

  306. DAMMIT, CAN WE HAVE HILLARY BACK NOW, PLEASE??????

    Here’s out smart gal, on top of exactly what needs to be done RIGHT NOW.

    Harry Reid, move your useless ass over and shut up and let Hill do this.

    Hillary today
    Senator Clinton Calls for Immediate Action to Halt Market Crisis
    Assails Bush Administration for Ignoring Warnings as Crisis Built
    Proposes Bold Steps to Restore Confidence in Market

    WASHINGTON, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today called for swift and strong action to stem the growing credit crisis on Wall Street. Assailing the Bush Administration for ignoring repeated warnings of the growing crisis and failing to provide adequate oversight of an increasingly complicated market, Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight.

    “This is the greatest market upheaval since the Great Depression. We are indeed in a crisis, but in times of crisis, there are opportunities for leadership,” Senator Clinton said.
    Leadership in the face of crisis has been woefully lacking from the Bush Administration, Senator Clinton said. The White House ignored both warnings of the growing crisis and proposals from Senator Clinton and others to step in before it grew out of control.
    “What we have seen over the course of the last eight years is an administration that refused to recognize the threats lurking in our economy,” Senator Clinton said. “They dismissed my concerns and the concerns of millions of Americans even as the storm clouds gathered. My proposals, as well as those of others, were greeted as too much, too soon. Now we are forced to reckon with too little too late.”

    Senator Clinton expressed serious concern about the effects of the market crisis on New Yorkers, including the many homeowners fighting foreclosure and the tens of thousands whose livelihoods depend on Wall Street.

    In response, Senator Clinton outlined a series of proposals to address the crisis:
    * Create a new entity to buy up and quarantine toxic mortgage securities that are dragging down the markets which would allow the markets to stabilize. Last spring Senator Clinton was among the first to call for a new entity modeled after the successful Depression-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) or the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) created after the Savings and Loan crisis.
    * Place a temporary moratorium on the most abusive stock transactions, many of which involve the “short-selling” of stocks. Yesterday, Senator Clinton wrote to the Securities and Exchange Commission urging such a moratorium, saying it would provide breathing room for the markets to recover, for investors to make accurate assessments of companies and for regulators to assess what trading practices should be permanently banned.
    * Convene an emergency economic summit to show the American people their government is working together. Bringing together leaders in the administration and Congress with lenders, consumer advocates, non profits, financial institutions, and all stakeholders will allow a coordinated response to the crisis.
    * Aggressively pursue and encourage mortgage modifications. Senator Clinton has introduced legislation to remove barriers to mortgage modification and to encourage lenders to voluntarily work with borrowers to keep them current on payments and in their homes.
    * Restore competent federal oversight of the increasingly complicated financial markets. The rapid evolution of the securities and banking industry overwhelmed the current regulatory framework, resulting in a “shadow banking system” that operates outside of oversight and without accountability.
    * Require transparency and accountability on executive pay. Senator Clinton has proposed the Corporate Executive Compensation Accountability and Transparency Act to impose new transparency rules on executive pay, end the accounting techniques that hide compensation, and provide shareholders a say in executive compensation packages.
    * Ensure the accountability of financial institutions borrowing money from the Federal Reserve’s new lending facilities. Taxpayers deserve to know that the companies they are bailing out are on the road to recovery and aren’t throwing more good money after bad.
    Senator Clinton urged the administration and the Congress to move quickly to adopt these proposals and prevent the crisis from worsening.

    “Time is of the essence. Any delay could be ruinous for both financial institutions and confidence in our markets,” Senator Clinton said.

    clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

    Video is on the site

  307. The press is setting traps for Hillary. They want her to make a mistake. Anything they can twist to their own advantage. Is she said what she felt she would be a lightening rod and that would take the focus off Obama. Nobody cares about Biden. This tells you what she is facing. Last time she spoke her mind was in South Dakota and remember how the press hounded her over the Bobby Kennedy remark. If she allows herself to be the issue she is vulnerable in the campaign. The press has always makes her the issue and uses everything she says against her. She is not a slave to Obama but a slave to the circucmsatances. She is campaigning hard for fellow democrats who supported her and that is critical to her future. She will need them in the senate in order for her to be effective. It doesnt help them if she says something controversial. The local media she gets is even more amplified.

  308. I personally think that if she is not a slave to Obama, then stop asking her supporters to rally behind him or insuiating that ALL of her supporters will unite with Obama. I feel that if she keeps campaigning for Obama and risk alienating some voters that will also damage her political career. It is the public that votes for her into office, not the democatic party.

    Also as someone stated above, I haven’t heard any democrat speak out against the sexism. Disappointed in Lanny, Geraldine Ferraro and others who have seen to have turned the other cheek.

  309. BTW

    I have many loves, among them military history, stock market history, and President William and Senator Hillary Clinton.

    Referencing the second of those: look up George Soros’ method of making a fortune from short selling (see carbynew and mp ~ 11:30 am).

    I would write about it, but have learned to use my writing skills and state my opinions in a more frugal manner

    In other words, go look it up yourselves, if this is one of your teachable moments.

  310. ABM90 Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    I may be wrong but I believe that Hillary has a good shot at winning the GE.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    ABM90, we love your fightin’ spirit.

    I hereby award you

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    $ $
    $ Optimist of the Year award. $
    $ $
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    And though it might seem unreachable (for this year’s election, just 49 days away), I gosh darn hope you are right.

  311. wbboei Says:
    If I were advising McCain I would tell him to hit Obama hard on all his hypocracy. If he can be shown for what he is namely a maniacal hypocrite he will be rejected.
    ===========

    I agree. Hit him hard on believable stuff, before risking one’s own credibility with the really wierd stuff (even tho it is true).

  312. Paula,

    Dunno if ABC has a video, but their politicalradar blog ran this:

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/senate-majority.html

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, asked today what new regulatory actions Congress can take, said, bluntly, “No one knows what to do. We are in new territory here. This is a different game. We’re not here playing soccer, basketball or football, this is a new game and we’re going to have to figure out how to do it.”

  313. I just commented on the story on Reid and posted this link to Hillary’s solution and told him to give her the Senate Majority Leader position.

    clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/senate-majority.html

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, asked today what new regulatory actions Congress can take, said, bluntly, “No one knows what to do. We are in new territory here. This is a different game. We’re not here playing soccer, basketball or football, this is a new game and we’re going to have to figure out how to do it.”

  314. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 18th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Can we have Hillary back now, PLEASE? Once again our gal is right on top of EXACTLY what needs to be done, pronto.

    Harry Reid needs to shut his useless “Uh…uh…we dunno” trap and hand the microphone to her.

    ================

    AND the Senate Majority Leadership of 2009.

    http://www.hrcforsenatemajorityleader09.htm

  315. mj Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    ==================

    Palin said she agrees with some of Hillary’s policies but not all of them. She said very nice things about HIllary. So far Hillary has only expressed strong disagreement with Palin/McCain policies — too strong imo.

    Palin has all along been saying veyr nice things about Hillary! Maybe Hillary is scared to return the compliments but Palin keeps trying. Good for Palin!

  316. Palin re Hillary

    STOP MISQUOTING PALIN!

    kostner Says:
    September 18th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    Excerpts from Palin’s Interview With Hannity — Part II

    Palin said re Hillary: I don’t have to agree with all that she tried to push through and parts of her agenda. In fact, I don’t agree with all of it.

    This means that Palin DOES agree with SOME of Hillary’s agenda.

    Here is the whole quote again (per Kostner’s post):
    “I think Senator Clinton had shown a lot of determination and stick-to-itiveness in her campaigns and I have to respect that. I don’t have to agree with all that she tried to push through and parts of her agenda. In fact, I don’t agree with all of it.”

    “There are some things that Hillary Clinton did that nobody can take away from her. And that is the 18 million cracks that she put there in that highest and hardest glass ceiling in America’s political scene. She was able to affect that and I respect that.

  317. carbynew said: I hate to say this but McCain came out with his plan before Hillary, Hillary plan gave credibility to McCain saying: “Fire SEC Chairman and have a RTC type trust for Financial Institutions and pro=actively work with those corporations.

    Bill Clinton speech was done to calm and stabilize the markets…..Obama did nothing and is useless

    Yay Bill. Didn’t even mention Obama.

    Dunno about McCain and HIllary, but sometime in the last month or so, Hillary came out with a strong recommendation to the President (whoever) to close some offshore tax loopholes and stop sending money to corporations who were just offices in some Arab state. Which might tie in here.

  318. B : the chairman of the tax committee admitted he’s underpaid taxes and didnt declare over 100K in income.
    ===========

    Sounds like a difference of opinion among tax accountants as to how certain amounts should have been reported. If his accountant didn’t consider them taxable income, of course he wouldn’t have paid any taxes on them.

  319. hillaryfortexas said:
    I am a nurse. I have worked the ER in several states. Rape kits are charged in EVERY ER I have ever worked in, just as all medical supplies are. Rape kits are charged in ILLINOIS. It is standard. All crime victims are charged. Gunshot wounds are charged. Stitches for knife wounds are charged
    =========

    Did you write this yourself, are you the nurse? May we post it around? How would a journalist, such as Greta, do a story phoning ER’s around the country and/or HMOs or medical records people??? Who woud she ask for?

    Could you make this about the hospital practice and more detail a diary (clintondems.com) is a good place so we could easily link to it?

    Hm, I seem to remember something about the kits were charged before Palin took office but later she STOPPED the charge….???

  320. Bill Clinton speech was done to calm and stabilize the markets…..Obama did nothing and is useless
    ——————————————–
    well put–and with obama I might even go so far as to say not only useless but counterproductive. Markets run on public opinion and when a candidate for president predicts nothing but gloom and doom ahead for years with no concrete solutions he poisons the well from which people draw water. For me the issue with him is not just inexperience-to an even larger extent it is character–or rather the lack thereof.

  321. Are these the qualities we seek in a president?

    TO WIN AN ELECTION, BARCRACK BANANA:

    1. Lies to the country about looking at NAFTA to save their jobs and then secretly repudiates that commitment to a foreign power.

    2. Lies to the country about seeking a quick withdrawal from Iraq and then tells a foreign power to stall withdrawal plans a sitting president

    3. He demoralizes the country by spreading doom, gloom and no solutions to a major looming fiscal crisis, and stalls a solution.

    The reason he does these things is to win an election whether by hook or crook.

  322. woebbei,

    I saw the interview by obnoxious, catty Campbell Brown with Lynn de Rothschild, and wrote a letter to CNN complaining about Campbell Brown’s supercilious smiling when her interviewee is talking in order to discount what that person is saying. I also complained about Campbell Brown’s cat fight with a Republican consultant, a woman, who was visibly angry that Brown undercut her and interrupted her constantly.

    That’s one thing I said about Campbell Brown. She’s like Stephen Colbert. She assumes that I as the viewer want to hear HER instead of the person she’s talking to. She couldn’t be more wrong, and so is Colbert. I don’t watch Colbert any more for the same reason.

  323. turndownobama-com,

    I agree with you that Hillary is too strong in speaking against Palin. She needs to quit being a hostage and doing Obama’s bidding! Sarah Palin has been nothing but gracious and complimentary of Hillary. I feel balm for my wounds every time I hear Palin speak about Hillary’s grit, determination, and grace.

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