The Barack Obama Palin Panic

Bill Clinton snapped his fingers yesterday, and Obama came running.

The scene was eerily akin to a prestigious diner snapping his fingers at a distracted waiter.

Protocol dictates that Mohammad go to the mountain, not the mountain to Mohammad. The secretary answers the employer’s call, not the other way around. The sailor answers to the Admiral. So the question is: Who’s on first? Who’s in charge?

Clearly the answer is Hillary and Bill Clinton are in charge. Hill and Bill are in charge.

Obama Palin Panic has made Hillary and Bill Clinton more influential and powerful over Obama than ever. Obama is in trouble and the response is “Get Bill”.

Send Caroline Kennedy to face down Governor Sarah Palin? Send Jim Clyburn, who attacked Bill Clinton as a racist, to woo Florida voters? Send Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to convert Catholic and Latino voters? Send Claire McCaskill to woo Ohio voters? Send John Edwards to Michigan? Send Michelle to Alaska to warm up the state? No. “Get Bill.” Not Judas Bill Richardson. Bill Clinton.

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The Obama Palin Panic is real. The problem, as Big Pink readers know, is Obama. It’s not the staff, it’s not the voters, it’s not Governor Palin, it’s not Joe Biden, it’s not John McCain. The problem is Obama.

Things are so bad for Obama right now that central casting was called and Matt Damon is the new hero of the Hopium dens. The Hopium denizens are celebrating. “He nailed it!” they say. Poor Obama. Poor Matt. They don’t even know how out of touch they are.

Matt gave an interview to buttress the flacid Obama. Substitute the name “Palin” for “Obama” and you get the point. Here’s Matt:

Matt is worried about “dinosaurs” and Disney movies – and he complains about insanity? Talk about terrifying and out of touch.

Obama has spent over a quarter of a billion dollars advertising himself and Americans still do not know who Obama is. Big Pink readers know what Americans are learning. After so many flip-flop-flim-flams on FISA, oil-drilling, public financing, tax cuts, etc. etc. Americans are learning that

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Howard Fineman, the Obama cheerleader from MSNBC Obama headquarters is cataloging “a series of strategic errors” and mistake after mistake Obama has authored. The list includes one in particular – arrogant pride:

But if I were an Obama partisan I would be worried that his mistakes have a common thread – pride. [snip]

Obama has his own crowd – from Chicago, from Harvard, and from a new cadre of wealthy, Ivy-educated movers and shakers.

He’s an arrogant S.O.B.,” one of the latter told me today. “He wants to do it his way, and his way alone.” But politics doesn’t work that way. And has Obama should know, or is about to find out, that everyone needs a little help.

Truth in advertising demands that Howard Fineman admit that he is an Obama partisan. When an Obama partisan from Obama partisan MSNBC decides to use the words “pride” and “arrogant” to describe Obama, the iceberg has met the ship.

Downticket Democrats still have the jitters.

“There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to…. People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”

The levees are breeching. Hurricanes Gustave, Hanna, and Ike are striking without relent on Southern shores. We wish the best to those in the line of danger, those threatened by powerful storms. Americans are concerned about their fellow citizens in the path of danger.

But it is Hurricane Palin that threatens Chicago. The Obama answer is to man the mud buckets against Governor Sarah Palin to rebuild the threatened Obama levees.

In the same way the Obama Big Media headquarters at MSNBC, via Fineman, threaten to flee from Obama, so is the long-time Obama/Rezko friend Illinois Governor Blagojevich disputing Matt Damon and the Obama machine:

“The reality is, governors every day have to make decisions for better or for worse. That’s part of the job. It’s an executive position. And it’s a position that is like what you’re going to do when you’re president. Legislators, they do different things. They debate and they pass their bills back and forth,” he said.

“But governors make decisions, and I think it’s a tactical mistake for the Democrats to question Gov. Palin’s experience when she’s been a governor of a state,” he said. “I don’t think the size of the state is relevant. It’s the kinds of decisions you have to make as governor.

Matt Damon, get a clue.

Obama Palin Panic is not a pretty thing to see.

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485 thoughts on “The Barack Obama Palin Panic

  1. Did you guys watch the interview? I think Palin did okay, not specutacular, but held her own. She obviously needs to do more homework on foreign policies, but that will come with time.

    New Rassmussen poll today.

    McCain 49
    Obama 46

    Palin interview bounce?

  2. moononpluto posted this in earlier comments ( http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=733#comment-204034 )

    The finger on the wall writing “doom for Democrats”.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

    A potential shift in fortunes for the Republicans in Congress is seen in the latest USA Today/Gallup survey, with the Democrats now leading the Republicans by just 3 percentage points, 48% to 45%, in voters’ “generic ballot” preferences for Congress. This is down from consistent double-digit Democratic leads seen on this measure over the past year.

    ————————

    If these numbers are sustained through Election Day — a big if — Republicans could be expected to regain control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

    As Gallup’s long-term “generic ballot” trend shows, the Democrats held a sizable lead on this measure from the time they won back control of Congress in the fall of 2006 through last month. If the current closer positioning of the parties holds, the structure of congressional preferences will be similar to most of the period from 1994 through 2005, when Republicans won and maintained control of Congress.

  3. Kostner, the interview was televised too late to have had too much of an impact and it was only bits and pieces on ABC News.

    It is probably due to the general collapse nationwide of Obama.

    The shocker for today is moononpluto’s comment on the Gallup poll regarding Congress.

  4. admin,

    I read an article, some democrats in the congress, especially the blue dogs are always starting to consider distance themselves from Obama. This is going to be fun.

  5. h t t p : / / hotair.com/archives/2008/09/12/obama-to-go-personal-against-mccain-palin/

    Obama to “go personal” against McCain, Palin; Update: Barack “Isotoner” Obama
    ————————

    Here you go, the senior voters…

    Is McCain a good debater? I haven’t seen him debate before. If he is a good debater, he can finish bambi in 2 weeks.

  6. Kostner, There is a link in today’s article (at “Downticket Democrats still have the jitters”) regarding jittery Democrats.

    Today’s new ads by Obama will not help the situation. Only the Hopium addled (like Matt Damon) will think the ads are not insulting to seniors and appear desperate.

  7. The other desperate Obama ad, with Obama dull and whiny. “Change has to be more than a slogan” is what we have been saying since April 2007! Obama is not real change he’s small change.

  8. One thing I like about the Republicans this time around is how they STAND UP and FIGHT for their beliefs and their candidates.

    I’m still mad at some of the Obama media dismissive treatment of Bill and Hillary.

    Like why aren’t they doing more-Chris Matthew.

    Bill better not say no to Obama and get on board-Clarence Page

    Bill and Hillary are still causing problem by not being really supportive of Obama’s replacing them in the party-Roland Martin

  9. From ‘weekly standard’,, DC pundits’ reaction to Palin’s interview… Not so malicious as I anticipated.
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    What Will They Say About Sarah?

    It seems pretty clear the Left will be going after her for asking for a clarification of the term, “Bush Doctrine.” For my part, I don’t think it’s out of bounds to ask for a clarification on a very broad question about a very broad concept. The “Bush Doctrine” is defined by Wikipedia (a decent source for the CW on a given political term, which is almost certainly weighted in the Left’s favor if anything) in no fewer than four different ways. ABC’s own archives also show quite the variety of definitions.

    The headlines about her interview, however, are pretty kind, particularly in swing states.

    NYT: In first big interview, Palin says ‘I’m ready for the job.’

    Chicago Tribune: Palin: War possible if Russia invades again

    Guardian: Sarah Palin shows hawkish streak in first interview

    Telegraph: Palin interview: Pundits give mixed reviews

    Cincinnati Enquirer: Palin returning to Cincinnati (no mention of the actual interview)

    Akron Beacon Journal: Hey, why didn’t anyone ask Barack Obama these questions?

    Denver Post: Palin took VP slot on the spot

    Rocky Mountain News: Palin defends her qualifications, says she’s ‘ready’

    Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel: Palin leaves war option with Russia open

    Jacksonville Times-Union (which has a conservative editorial page, but was harshest in its headline): Palin tries to defend qualifications in interview

    A notable exception is the Washington Post headline, which Bill Kristol has already helpfully debunked.

  10. I only saw snippets of the interview…broadcast on world news…
    I loved the way Sarah said “what bush doctrine?”. I thought that actually said a lot.

  11. Just what I like seeing, Hollywood star power coming out and campaigning for Obama. We all know how well that worked for Gore and Kerry. Talk abou the kiss of death.

  12. h t t p : / / http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/abcs_bungles_128726.htm?page=0

    ABC’S BUNGLES

    LAST night, Sarah Palin had her first big-time media interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC World News Tonight.

    At times, Palin seemed to know less than she should. On the other hand, Gibson sometimes seemed to “know” things that just aren’t so.

    Her responses to Gibson’s cross-examining seemed canned and rehearsed, a little like the answers you might give in a tough college interview. But that may be a result of the ham-fisted editing – which seemed to cut her off mid-thought on many answers. ABC should release the entire, unedited interview, so that Americans can judge her more fairly.

    The biggest concern is that she appeared to not know what the Bush Doctrine is. There are, in fact, different definitions of it – but all have had an impact on this nation. One hopes Palin is more up to speed than she seemed.

    Of course, she needs to be questioned on many issues – but this interview left us with little new information about her.

    Americans already know she lacks foreign-policy experience (as, by the way, did Democrats’ 2004 VP candidate, John Edwards). All we could learn from Gibson’s grilling on that topic was how well she’s memorized McCain’s positions. Why ask her whether Georgia and Ukraine should be admitted to NATO? Her position will match McCain’s, just as Joe Biden’s stands will mirror Barack Obama’s.

    Plus, her answers last night are already being misrepresented. She said – quite correctly – that, if Georgia and Ukraine are admitted to NATO, the United States may be obliged to defend them. This has been morphed into an assertion that we might invade Russia. And ABC News bears much of the blame: It actually sent out a pre-broadcast alert to that effect.

    So now we can play this stupid game, pretending she wants to invade Russia instead of debating real issues.

    ABC’s errors didn’t end there. The interview seemed to show a lack of good faith, with the blatant misrepresentation of comments she’s made about the Iraq war.

    Gibson – probably relying on a sloppy Associated Press report – told Palin she has said that, “Our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.”

    In a part of the interview that was edited out (but is available on ABC’s Web site), Palin says, “You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.”

    Gibson snaps: “Exact words.”

    Sorry, Charlie – let’s go to the tape.

    In the video of her remarks, Palin says “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [US soldiers] out on a task that is from God.” She is clearly praying for wisdom for our national leaders – praying that they are following God’s will.

    This is Christianity 101, not some fundamentalist plot to wage a holy war. Presumably, Obama, as a Christian, utters similar prayers for our country as well.

    There’s more: Gibson also accused her of saying of Iraq, “There is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

    Here’s what she really said: “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

    Despite Gibson’s insistance that she’d said things that she clearly hadn’t, Palin was polite and seemed unrattled.

    We need to get beyond the stereotypes. Palin has been cast as a right-wing nut job in the media, yet her actual record suggests something more complex. She is a Republican who made herself the enemy of oil companies in Alaska. She raised funding for pregnant teens and learning-disabled children. She has expressed concern that we don’t have a clear strategy in Iraq.

    But she also was mayor of Wasilla at a time when women were charged for rape kits – we need an explanation why. And what of her opposition to abortion even in the case of rape or incest? Is that a personal position, or does she seek to impose it on all Americans? And, even if no books were banned in the Wasilla library, why did she inquire as to how the librarian would react if they were?

    There are real questions that Americans need to hear Palin answer. But they’re ill-served by the game the media has played so far. Rather than real insights into this woman, we get exchanges that will lead to arguments about whether she’s a religious fanatic – arguments based on a comment she never made.

    This is completely destructive to the public debate. As Barack Obama says: Enough.

  13. Great article Admin!

    Kostner,

    I did watch the interview. I thought she held her own. I like the fact that she pressed how close Russia is to Alaska and the work she does with the National Guard. I liked her Nato answer. Charlie came across as a bully and arrogant in my opinion. His hammering about “God’s Plan” was ridiculous. He tried to trip her up but I don’t think he did. I’m looking forward to the rest of the interview.

  14. rjk1957, what has been really surprising (we know we should not be surprised by the nutroots anymore but it was surprising) about the Damon video is the applause from the nutroots. They have actually been writing things like “He nails it!” They really think this type of video helps Obama. They also thought Palin would be replaced soon too. They are anything but certainly not “reality based.”

  15. Fellow Democrats it is now time for us to back an investigation into the leaders of the DNC refusal to vet this educated and secretly ambitious and devious great black hope.that came out of the Chicago political cesspool,to become a true enemy within for our country.As flawed as it is ,it is still the best we can offer the citizens to select their representatives and the POTUS.This usurpment of power and the criminal activities of Dean.Brazille and Pelosi must be bruoght out and made public by filing fraud,conspiracyand treason charges aginst these three power crazed political jackals.It must happen soon or America will become a third world nation unworthy to be part of the world of leader nations.Barack Hussein Obama is a threat to everything we hold in this great country of ours.In the words of the chosen one “Now Is The Time”.Oh yes it is Obama.It is time for you to be run out of town with your lying lips drenched in the lipstick that you and your clueless followers love to use on anyone that opposes or questions your flawed agenda.Retire to a pig farm in the deep south and use your race card on its inhabitants.They may hold their noses and welcome home their Messiah.Make it quick Obama America needs Hillary more now than ever.

    By ABM90

  16. If Bill/Hill have to campaign for that nameless one, then all I say is make sure you help spend his money!!!!

    take your time at events, be late as much as possible, and talk a lot about local/down tickets candidates more…

    But DO NOT Campaign together with the nameless one…

  17. Admin:
    Just for once I have to disagree with your last statement …just a little bit!!

    I think Obama Palin Panic is a great thing to watch!!!!!

  18. admin
    I think they are all in shock from the Palin phenomenon and are grasping at straws. If they are in shock now just wait until November 5th, they will all be suicidal.

  19. I liked your article, Admin.
    It made me calm down about BC stumping for BO.
    “Protocol dictates that Mohammad go to the mountain, not the mountain to Mohammad.”
    So you think BC is incharge and that’s good enough fr me.
    BTW, the new McCain ad is kick-a$$.
    Past tense: “He WAS the biggest celebrity in the world.
    NOW his star is fading.”
    excellent.

  20. WOW!

    The 2 new BO ads are so amateurish!
    D@mn but they’re completely off they’re game.

    The first one pointing out JM isn’t computer literate was just plain STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WTH cares if he can’t (or prefers NOT to) use email??????
    That’s scraping the bottom-of-the-barrel.
    And in the other BO comes across as totally inauthentic.

  21. I read in the prvious thread someone asking why Bill is campaigning with Obama? No one knows politics better than Bill and what better way for he and Hillary to find out just how bad things are going then being right there enjoying every minute of his downfall.

  22. You’re cruel mp. But we like the way you think. 🙂

    Our cruelty is imagining what Jim Clyburn and FISA Pelosi looked like when they saw the Gallup poll that suggests the Dems might lose the House. Losing the House is sad but it is the only way Clyburn/Pelosi will learn. This will force the ousting of Pelosi and the rest of the House “leadership”.

  23. I am still confused about the convention process.
    Is the 1700+ tally for HRC from the ‘hotel room’ vote legal and binding?
    How could 900+ votes be uncommitted?
    And if there were only 17 votes separating she and BO on that ballot how the heck did the floor vote result in 15oo to 345 or so?
    What time was the hotel room vote taken?
    I mean, I know of course it was a sham but evidently the DNC still has to provide some hard evidence about actual tallies and the hard vote showed HRC even with BO while the floor vote’s results were completely skewed. It’s obvious to anyone who reads the greenreport that there was plenty of monkey business going on. I can’t see how the DNC would let that damning report out unless they had no choice and were required to adhere to some FEC law. And what is Greenreport?

  24. “ABC should release the entire, unedited interview, so that Americans can judge her more fairly.” from the NYpost article up above.

    I agree with this. All the edits were manipulative. Morphing her NATO statement with invading Russia, misquoting her and twisting her words all unforgivable. I want to see how Obama did in his first ever national interview as a candidate and what questions were asked of him. The same double standard because Palin is a woman. The rite of passage for women into the old boys network is ridiculous as could be inferred in this one simple instance.

  25. # moononpluto Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Wisconsin tightening up, Obama’s in trouble.

    Obama 46
    McCain 43

    Democrat Barack Obama leads Republican John McCain 46% to 43% in the survey taken Friday through Sunday by Strategic Vision, a firm that has polled regularly in the state in recent years.

    The new poll shows little change in the race overall since before the conventions and McCain’s selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. The same firm polled in August, and Obama’s lead then (47% to 42%) was slightly larger than it is now. But the change is within the poll’s margin error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    One piece of good news for McCain is how close he is running to Obama, despite an electorate that tilts toward the Democrats. Democrats made up 34% of those polled, Republicans 27% and independents 39%.

    Another is that Palin draws the most positive ratings of any of the four politicians on the presidential ballot. In the new poll, 55% had a favorable opinion of her, while 29% had an unfavorable opinion. Asked about Joe Biden, Obama’s running mate, 43% of those surveyed had a favorable opinion and 33% had an unfavorable opinion.

    Obama (52% favorable, 37% unfavorable) and McCain (52% favorable and 39% unfavorable) scored about equally on this measure.

    McCain enjoyed a modest edge in the poll on the leading issue in the campaign – the economy – with 48% saying he is best able to handle the economy, and 41% saying Obama.

    McCain enjoyed a narrow edge on the Iraq war.

    Wisconsin, the closest state four years ago, is a top target for both campaigns. While Obama enjoyed a lead in the state of 10 or more points in most June and July polls, the race narrowed in August before the conventions. It is neck and neck in most national surveys. National polls suggest that both candidates got a bounce from their conventions, but McCain’s boost was bigger.

    In the new Wisconsin survey, 23% approved of President Bush’s performance, and 16% approved of the job Congress is doing. But Wisconsin’s two senators had positive ratings. Asked about Sen. Russ Feingold’s performance, 58% approved and 33% disapproved; asked about Sen. Herb Kohl, 52% approved and 37% disapproved.

    Gov. Jim Doyle’s ratings were similar: 53% approved, while 35% disapproved.

    Strategic Vision surveyed 800 likely voters by telephone. The firm also released a Michigan poll showing Obama leading McCain 45% to 44%. Both Wisconsin and Michigan were carried by Democrat John Kerry in 2004.

  26. # moononpluto Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Significant McCain up 3 in rassmussen 48 to 45

    Rassmussen was just on Fox, McCain poll last night was “huge”

  27. Matt Damon came across as nutty. Dinosaurs? Really. Get a Grip.

    BO is small change. Like that line.

    The more the press goes after her, I think the backlash will be stronger. People are sick of this. Also, when did the press EVER ask BO these questions? Most of the time, he didn’t even sound prepared for the debates. Saying, “What Hillary said,” does not cut it. It was arrogant to hear him say these things, and indicated that he knew he could get away with it, because the media was in the tank for him.

  28. basil9:

    That hotel vote is very like a twisted vote that bully union chiefs used….to shut down the opposition.
    It was a “survey” of how people are going for before the bullys decided to changes the rules and put pressure onn Hillary to “submit” and ask for suspennsion.

  29. Also I did not watch the denver roll call vote …was on flight at the time.

    Somebody told me that Hillary used the word “select” in her statement when asking for a suspension of rules to choose BO…
    Anybody here can confirm or correct that statement?

  30. We were talking about this earlier, if Washington comes into play, now we see Wiscconsin coming into play, and michigan and soon Oregon and Minesota .

    Obama’s going to have to spend buckets sustaining those northern blue states, if Palin collapses those for Obama, he’s dead in the water.

    As i said earlier.

    Deans 50 state strategy, only he didnt say it would be the blue states they’d be defending.

  31. This ad mocking McCain as computer illiterate is crass and quite frankly just shocking.

    He’s going to seriously piss off the senior citizens.

  32. Somebody mentioned Paulie Abeles in the last thread.

    I met her about six weeks ago and she is awesome.

    She mentioned that she occasionly posted at this site!!!!

  33. Obama just lost even more of the older vote, and probably completely TANKED Florida, with that ad mocking McCain’s age and computer skills.

    He is pursuing a failed McGovern-esqe campaign: “We rude youts are taking over and wanna rule teh woooooorld, so move aside you old farts!”

    Um, yeah, that is going to fly. Not.

  34. Sorry to be such a pain but if the ‘hard vote” showed HRC within 17 and the ‘floor vote’ was so dramatically different, I’d like to know how much time elapsed between the two tallies. (I get obsessed about certain things)
    Now that I’ve seen the actual vote breakdown (YESTERDAY) I’m even more furious than before.
    I’ve found that the greenpapers aren’t affiliated with DNC but their figures are, apparently, those released by the DNC secretary.
    And I found this tidbit fascinating:
    2. If one adds these votes together (on the theory that Senator Clinton’s motion also intended that all the votes for her so far be also counted for Obama) along with all of New York’s 282 votes, one gets 2,173 votes total cast, short of the 2,210 needed to nominate– thus this motion seems purposely to have been made to nominate Obama by acclamation BEFORE the nomination could have been won, numerically, on the Roll Call itself.

    The point is, we all know the nomination was stolen but now the mechanics of it are leaking out and it’s even uglier than i imagined.

  35. If you are hired to run a company, your job is not to know every aspect of that company, but to hire people who are experts in different area’s of that company and make sure THEY do the job you’ve hired them to do.

    Just sayin’.

  36. Commenter on riverdaughter says re: Obama continuing to jettison this and that demographic:

    There are now so many people under the bus, we can all stand up, heave that bus on our shoulders, and walk it right back to Chicago.

  37. mp,
    I thought the hotel room vote WAs the hard vote and according to the DNC final results there were only 17 pledged delegates separating HRc and BO.
    It was during the roll call that all the votes switched.
    So I though the delegates were supposed to vote their candidate on the first ballot.
    Was the hotel room vote considered the first ballot?
    And did that happen the same day or the night before the roll call?
    Again, sorry to be annoying but I’m so f***ing disgusted and PO’d now that the dirty details are leaking out.

  38. Well, Basil, the entire process was rigged and a sham. It is disgusting and frustrating. Can you imagine how Hillary felt at the time? I can’t imagine. To say, that I loathe the DNC leadership and BO campaign, is a huge understatement. They subverted democracy, and that is unforgiveable.

  39. basil9:

    I was in denver that when hotel votes were being taken…

    I will give you what I heard….

    Denver time…around 8.30-10am, we heard that hotel votes were being taken and things were being shaken up…..Nancy stopping the hotel votes going further…

    Around 1-2 pm we were informed that decisions were being made DEM leadership on next steps..TV stations were also relaying that any minute things will start happening but it was a long time…
    BO’s plane la nded around that time denver according to the TV…

    When I boarded my flight around 4-5pm, I saw that the roll call floor vote was happening…I did not see the end…

  40. How can one not be sickened by the sight of Obama walking with McCain anth the 9/11 memotial sight.There he was unfit to be walking beside a real hero and patriot and I can still his words of praise for his mentors back in Chicago.Wright,Pfleger,Ayers Auchi,and The Rezko gang from the middle east and the Arab Muslim world.Who in the Hell is looking out for our country and is allowing this fraud to seek the office of CIC.It is just like a bad dream after a bad day in our history.By the way Obama,your pigs can’t vote.

  41. mp,
    SO what is the ‘Hard Vote” cited in the greenpaer final DNC tally?
    It says HRC 1,730.5 and BO 1,747.5.
    Are those the pledged delegates pre-convention?
    Was the hotel vote a different number than the hard vote?
    I am confused about the terminology.
    And if, after the roll call, BO STILL didn’t have the required # of delegates, falling short by about 50, I’m even more confused.
    Could you look at this chart and give your opinion?

    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

  42. Did any one else watch Obama and McCain at ground zero yesterday?

    McCain very respectfully knelt down and placed his roses on the site. Obama TOSSED his roses. He just dropped them, rather as an afterthought it seemed to me.

  43. H4T,

    I couldn’t bear to watch him at the WTC site. but i read the same thing in several posts, that he didn’t look respectful or sad, that he held the flowers at his side while McCain grasped them as if they were precious. . .
    I also read something about the NYPD and NYFD members treating JM with respect while passing over BO . .
    i think moonpluto mentioned it.
    Maybe he can elaborate.

  44. Basil9:

    I am only guessing….the hard votes mentioned must be the hotel votes…the first one taken.
    Also I heard from a delegate that when some hillary vocal delegates insisted on each delegate to be asked to cast their vote on the floor…Nancy/dem leaders said that there were too many delegates and it would be too time consuming…..annd then each state’s whip/voter counter spoke for their state during the roll call…

    Yep…too many delegates.. over 4000..

    My answer to that was “get rid of them”..they are just over-riding the people’s vote…

  45. Basil:

    You’ve gotta let the nomination go or you’ll give yourself an ulcer. We all know the fix was in. The fix was in when Florida as nullified. The fix was in with the Mich ambush. The fix was in the whole way. The fix was in at the convention. We know all that. It’s done.

  46. I think the most risky thing for down ticket dems is that when republican voters come out to vote for McCain/Palin, they will press the button for other GOP candidates as well. Especially if they feel democrats are using the same old, same old unfair attack tactics against McCain/Palin.

    People do vote on an emotinal level, they will seek revenge not only on Obama/Biden, but on any democratic candidate. That’s why the more vicious attacks Obama launch, the more dangerous democratic candidates’ chance in congress.

  47. WOW!
    Here are the titles

    – Liberal Policies
    – Semper Fidelis: BO on the Surge
    – Hillary on BO
    – Higher Taxes: Bo the most liberal senator
    – Wrong Values: BO’s ties to Palestinians and Reverend Wright
    – Illegal Immigration
    – Not our Values: BO mocks Christina Values
    – Patriotism Problems

  48. hwc,
    I am fascinated and repulsed by the process and I would like to understand it.
    I only became aware of the specifics of the process yesterday,
    that’s why I’m blogging about it today.
    I appreciate any information others can shed.
    I am not obsessing at all, just trying to learn.
    I appreciate mp and others taking the time to respond to my
    questions.

  49. basil: I really don’t know enough about the process to analyze it, but just knowing that the process was rigged and a sham is enough for me. Focus on the here and now. We do have to let this go, not forget it, but not dwell on it, to the point that we make ourselves ill over it.

    Hillary 4 Texas says: HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 11:15 am
    Did any one else watch Obama and McCain at ground zero yesterday?

    McCain very respectfully knelt down and placed his roses on the site. Obama TOSSED his roses. He just dropped them, rather as an afterthought it seemed to me.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Don’t you think, we should focus on different things? McCain may have tossed his, but he has limited mobility in both arms. We have enough negative things on BO, to dwell on how he tossed his roses.

  50. There was no “process”. There was no vote in any meaningful sense. The delegates had long before been pressured to switch to Obama for party unity. It was all just for show.

  51. basil, McCain was very respectful, but Obama appeared to be very nonchalant. Note that I said “appeared”. Quite a few people are not happy with it.

    Re: Obama’s “rose moment”, while I don’t think it’s a big deal, I do think it is yet another window into his character.
    I had one kid growing up who had a little of that self-centered attitude (not so severe as BO, but still.) There was a pattern of doing/saying things offensive to others, simply by virture of not ever considering how his actions/statement were going to affect others.

    His usual excuse? “But..but..I never even THOUGHT about that. I didn’t think it would bother anyone…”

    As a parent, I nipped that crap in the bud right quick. “Yes, and THAT is the problem” I’d tell him, “You didn’t think. Right in that moment, you didn’t think about anyone but yourself, and that is NOT acceptable.”

    Fortunately, my son has learned that he has to consider others feelings, and the fact that he had no ill-intent does not always fly. Sometimes “no ill-intent” is just another word for “did not bother to think outside of his own needs and emotions, because he is the centre of the universe.”

    No one ever taught Obama that lesson. He has demonstrated it time and again.

  52. # kostner Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    I think the most risky thing for down ticket dems is that when republican voters come out to vote for McCain/Palin, they will press the button for other GOP candidates as well. Especially if they feel democrats are using the same old, same old unfair attack tactics against McCain/Palin.

    People do vote on an emotinal level, they will seek revenge not only on Obama/Biden, but on any democratic candidate. That’s why the more vicious attacks Obama launch, the more dangerous democratic candidates’ chance in congress.

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    I wish it didnt have to be this way but for to punish the party for what it did, i think some good people are going to be lost.

  53. hwc,
    I’ll try to be more precise about my question.
    Is the “Hard Vote” tally from the hotel vote or pre-convention?
    That’s all I’m trying to find out.
    Since you seem to understand this perhaps you would be so kind as to check this link and help me understand what the numbers mean.
    Thanks much.
    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

  54. H4T,
    That describes HWNSNBS perfectly.

    ‘Sometimes “no ill-intent” is just another word for “did not bother to think outside of his own needs and emotions, because he is the centre of the universe.”

  55. basil9: last thing on this rigged roll call vote…
    Find a hillary delegate from your district and ask them what they saw and did.

    That will tell you a lot….
    I basically told one from my district that he can no longer counnt on my support for local elections until he comes out of the details….he sent me over 900 pictures of the frigging conv…as if i have the time to see that circus…

    On the other hand, for some delegates…who pay from their pockets to do this…this is a big moment in their lives!!

  56. I just read in the local paper about a county delegate who was selected to go to the convention as an HRC pledgie.

    His account of the convention is that although he was supporting HRC unity was achieved.

    I was thinking about contacting him.

  57. This gibson interview is the beginning of a full court press on palin by big media to protect Obama. It is gonna get worse.

    I will say it again: mccain needs to start hitting him hard now. Mid September was when they were supposed to start releasing the whitey tapes–what is today?

    If not that then something else.

    The country is divided, people are very angry and things could swing violently in either direction.

    The best defense is a good offense. If it were me I would go back to how he let his constituents down in Chicago. Hammer it.

  58. On the other hand, for some delegates…who pay from their pockets to do this…this is a big moment in their lives!!
    ——————————————–
    Thats what we sent them to denver for now didnt we, to take lots of pictures of the festivities and play dumb on what happened.

  59. wbboei Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    This gibson interview is the beginning of a full court press on palin by big media to protect Obama. It is gonna get worse.
    ——————–

    Yep, I agree. And they have a very good pretext to go full negative now in the name of vetting. They could say look how the media is going after Palin but what do you really know about Obama — here, take a look at this..

  60. I sure love how the Team Obama and the MSM is inoculating Gov. Palin from Attacks from Attacks because you sure know Charlie Gibson’s Interview didn’t win the Dems and Obama any more votes.

  61. Larry Johnson at no-quarter says that he has inside info on the game plan. The repubs have lots of stuff on Bambi, and when and how much they release will be dependent on the electoral polls.

    They know how to play this game, no worries. The Dems tend to just unleash everything they have, willy nilly. There is then a flurry of bad press for their opponent that dies down by the time people go vote. The Repubs are MASTERS at timing.

    Dirt is dirt, but the timing is everything. I repeat, timing is EVERYTHING in politics.

  62. h t t p : / / http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/abcs_bungles_128726.htm?page=0

    ABC’S BUNGLES
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    Great criticism of gibson. Accurate, spot on and finally somebody besides me and a few others spotted the fact that these news people rely on AP which is a sloppy biased pro bambi organization which is known to enbed its people in one campaigh and pass secrets to the other one. I thought this was good analysis–not trying to kill palin or in the bag for her. I gotta tell you I expected better of Charlie.

  63. CBSNews.com: Your former colleague Howard Wolfson argued that you all unintentionally paved the way for Palin by exposing some of the unfair media coverage that Hillary Clinton received. And, therefore, a lot of the media may now be treating Sarah Palin with kid gloves. Do you agree with that?

    Mark Penn: Well, no, I think the people themselves saw unfair media coverage of Senator Clinton. I think if you go back, the polls reflected very clearly what “Saturday Night Live” crystallized in one of their mock debates about what was happening with the press.

    I think here the media is on very dangerous ground. I think that when you see them going through every single expense report that Governor Palin ever filed, if they don’t do that for all four of the candidates, they’re on very dangerous ground. I think the media so far has been the biggest loser in this race. And they continue to have growing credibility problems.

    And I think that that’s a real problem growing out of this election. The media now, all of the media — not just Fox News, that was perceived as highly partisan — but all of the media is now being viewed as partisan in one way or another. And that is an unfortunate development.

    CBSNews.com: So you think the media is being uniquely tough on Palin now?

    Mark Penn: Well, I think that the media is doing the kinds of stories on Palin that they’re not doing on the other candidates. And that’s going to subject them to people concluding that they’re giving her a tougher time. Now, the media defense would be, “Yeah, we looked at these other candidates who have been in public life at an earlier time.”

    What happened here very clearly is that the controversy over Palin led to 37 million Americans tuning into a vice-presidential speech, something that is unprecedented, because they wanted to see for themselves. This is an election in which the voters are going to decide for themselves. The media has lost credibility with them.

    CBSNews.com: Joe Biden said this week that Hillary Clinton might have been a better pick than he was. Do you think that’s true?

    Mark Penn: Ask Joe Biden.

    CBSNews.com: Well, that’s what he says. What do you think?

  64. pretty much, its whats we know with the Republicans, Obama’s losing and they aint even done an opening salvo yet. He’ll be crucified by Nov 4th.

  65. WHY SHE REALLY SCARES THEM
    h t t p : / / http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/why_she_really_scares_them_128727.htm

    FOR two weeks, Democrats and their media allies have leveled scorching fire at Sarah Palin. It’s not having much effect, but they keep at it anyway.

    The latest Fox News poll shows Palin with a 54-27 favorable/unfavorable ratio, which compares well with Barack Obama’s 57-36, John McCain’s 60-33 and Joe Biden’s 51-29. (Of the four, she’s the most popular).

    Why do Democrats feel so threatened? They’ve even stopped attacking McCain and President Bush to launch a vicious and sexist barrage at her that would normally make a feminist angry and a Democrat blush.

    Basically, it’s this: John McCain only endangers Democratic chances of victory this November, but Sarah Palin is an existential threat to the Democratic Party.

    She threatens a core element of the party’s base – women.

    When an African-American like Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell or Condi Rice rises to prominence as a Republican, he or she endangers the Democratic coalition. So would a Republican labor leader.

    And so, above all, does the woman Republican running for vice president.

    Democrats can’t stomach seeing the feminist movement’s impetus for greater female political participation and empowerment “hijacked” by a pro-life woman who espouses traditional values. They must obliterate her, lest her popularity eat away at their party’s core.

    So the Democrats are hysterical in their attacks on her. South Carolina’s Democratic Party chairwoman, Carol Fowler (wife of a national party chairman), said that the only qualification Palin had for vice president was that she hadn’t had an abortion. Tabloids are digging up dirt on Palin’s children. And liberal bloggers have suggested that Palin would neglect her children if she were elected (while the Democratic candidate has young children at home, too).

  66. HillaryForTexas: hi

    Larry thought the oreilly interview would be powerful too.

    If they have it they had better use it now.

    Bambi has made a strategic blunder by going harsh against mccain.

    Why? because now he has opened the door. The question is will maccain take advanatage of it.

    Momentum.

  67. basil:

    The numbers at the top of the “green-whatever” page you linked are the delegate numbers before the convention, not any kind of “vote” taken at the convention.

    Here is what your linked page says about a convention “vote”:

    “On 2 September 2008, the Democratic National Committee’s Office of the Secretary released the official results of the state tally sheets that were collected during voting on Wednesday 27 August: Barack Obama: 3188.5, Hillary Clinton: 1010.5. A breakdown by state was not released.”

    This is presumably the so-called “hotel vote”, although it is just as likely it was Howard Dean making up some numbers and scribbling them on a napkin.

    My point is that. The whole notion that the convention was going to “see the light” and nominate Clinton was never real. It was a mirage.

    Understand this: The Democratic Party poobahs do not want anything to do with Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, or the horse they rode in on. The party would have nominated Charles Manson before it would have nominated a Clinton. The Democratic Party will now systematically destroy anyone who supported Clinton. Where do you think the Charlie Rangel stuff is coming from?

  68. Whoopi Goldberg Asks John McCain ‘Do You Want Me to Be a Slave?’

    Developing: On September 12’s “View” co-host Whoopi Goldberg inquired of Senator John McCain, “do you want me to be a slave?”

    The question was spurned by the Senator’s stance on Roe v. Wade. When McCain answered he supports judges who support the original intent of the Constitution, Whoopi drew a slavery comparison.

    What are these people on, whats her problem.

  69. wbboei,
    Did you see the new 527 ads H4T posted? They’re pretty
    hard-hitting
    ——————————————–
    Hi Basil.

    Yes I did. I saw them last night. They are good. I am gonna go back and look at them again. I hope they are being aired. Thanks!

  70. Like I said, TEAM OBAMA is PANICKY and Whoopi need to be ashamed of herself.

    If the DEMS keep going down this road of attacking Christian’s beliefs on Roe vs Wade they will have a bigger problem on their own with their own Faith base as becoming too extreme and McCain WILL be seen as a viable alternative.

    McCain came accross as competent, compassionate and Centrist that bears right. Many people can live with that when you compare Obama’s problems…the biggest is his arrogance and inexperience.

    Plus his inability to move on from the jabs Gov. Palin landed on him…the more he whines about the Community Organizer is an “important” job…the more he raise questions about it.

    Community Organizer vs Small town Mayor——what position is in line to executive leadership?

  71. kostner, that is a great article, and nails why the dems are so hysterical over Palin. They are terrified that she will break their control over women.

    A commenter on RD said it well:

    Magdalena, on September 12th, 2008 at 12:24 pm Said:
    A message to all you lurking women out there:

    I don’t know about you, but I am sickened by the women who didn’t support Hillary because:

    –she’s too “shrill”
    –she “reminds me of my mother”
    –”feminism doesn’t mean voting for women”
    –”feminism isn’t even about women anymore”
    –”I have a crush on Obama”

    [these same women] now saying that we can’t vote for Palin because she isn’t:

    –”a real woman,” and
    –women “have nothing in common with her but a chromosome”
    –and she would “set the cause of women back”
    –and she would “set the cause of feminism back”
    –and she isn’t “a real feminist”
    –and you can’t be a feminist and be a Republican
    –and she isn’t pro choice
    –and she isn’t a Democrat

    and the kicker:

    –”It has to be a Democratic woman, you see, or it doesn’t count . . .”

    Go right in ahead, all you women voting for Obama. Keep on finding rationalizations, or irrational reasons, if necessary, to keep women out of the Oval Office. Please continue to be:

    –minions
    –handmaidens
    –second-class citizens

    Please continue to:

    –wait your turn
    –put everyone else in front of you and all other women with you
    –take your seat in the back of the bus
    as you discover new ways to:
    –support your own exclusion
    –invite your own marginalization
    –enhance your own subjection

    all the while:

    –calling Sarah Palin every vile name you can think of
    –cheering on the boys while they do the same
    –passing along false images of her in a bikini with gun
    –never asking how your daughters must be feeling about this
    –teaching your daughters, finally, to be just like you.

    Go right ahead.

    But I take a back seat to no one. I am second to no one. No one tells me, a woman, what a woman is or supposed to be. No one gets to hold my uterus over my head like a sword of Damocles, and make me tremble and go soft-brained. No one can get me to act against my own interests. No one can make me behave, or fall in line. No one can challenge my right to be a free agent, and to act in ways that enhance my own power and success. No one can fool me into being acquiescent and obedient. Me no act pretty. Me no be quiet. I take my cue not from servants and minions, but from a community I very much admire: I ACT UP.

    You can try to stop me; but I will still and adamantly embrace my own value as a human being. And a woman.

    Magda

  72. **** under the bus alert ****

    Obama’s now touting his “position” of wanting to double funding for school vouchers and making it easier to fire underperforming teachers

    —- Public Employee and Teachers Unions…get yur arses under that damn bus!

  73. BTW: in yesterdays, service forum, McCain went before BO and apparently BO could listen to
    McCain’s answers before he was called in for his session.

    And BO still could not do justice and capitalise on that!!!!

    Remember saddleback…the nutroots were saying McCain must have been given the
    questions before and/or also was allowed to listen in to what BO answered being the first to go..

  74. She mostly played the choice card, but compared pro-life rhetoric to slavery of women.

    Um….but women being spit on, demeaned, ridiculed, attacked, and viciously shoved away from being anywhere close to real power is not in ANY way akin to slavery, right Whoopi?

    As far as I can see, the subjugation of women this election season is a far greater and more real danger to me than any tiny chance that abortion will ever be outlawed in this country.

  75. Understand this: The Democratic Party poobahs do not want anything to do with Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, or the horse they rode in on. The party would have nominated Charles Manson before it would have nominated a Clinton. The Democratic Party will now systematically destroy anyone who supported Clinton. Where do you think the Charlie Rangel stuff is coming from?
    ——————————————-
    HWC: does your analysis change if bambi loses the election and if so how?

  76. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    **** under the bus alert ****

    Obama’s now touting his “position” of wanting to double funding for school vouchers and making it easier to fire underperforming teachers

    —- Public Employee and Teachers Unions…get yur arses under that damn bus!

    Isn’t this the GOP position?

    NYT articles about an Obama aide who said the campaign is taken aback by McCain’s aggressiveness. Seems they thought this whole thing called an election was going to be a cakewalk.

  77. Sarah Palin, Small-Town America, and the Democrats’ Ongoing Arrogance Problem
    Small towns provide real-world experience—as well as electoral victories
    By Andrew M. Langer
    Posted September 12, 2008

    There was a map of the United States produced after the 2000 and 2004 elections, showing the presidential campaign victories on a county-by-county basis in blue and red. America was a sea of red, with clusters of blue for the most part relegated to major urban areas in the East, West, and scattered in between. The Democratic Party is an urban one, focused largely on urban problems and constituencies.

    But in order to win in 2008, Democratic leaders knew that they needed to woo small-town America. The time was ripe, the theory went, with an unpopular president, an unpopular Congress, and a Republican Party that had somehow lost its way. So the Democratic machine went to work, bringing Barack Obama to places like Montana, hoping that he could build on that dissatisfaction and show that the Democratic Party cares about Main Streets across the U.S.A., no matter how rural or sparsely populated.

    Which is why the attack on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and her prior experience of being the mayor of a town of 9,000, is both strange and troubling. The 2000 and 2004 electoral maps show, and political experience confirms, that America is a place of small towns. So casting aspersions on those who live and govern in Small-Town America seems to be, well, a stupid way of courting those voters.

    But it also evinces a complete misunderstanding of the complexities involved with governing a small state or town, a hubris that underscores the dishonest slogans of “change” that have come from the Democratic camp. If you don’t understand how public policy actually gets implemented in the real world, how can you possibly work to improve the system? If the belief is that only policy made at the federal level is complex and grants experience to the policymaker, then how can one be trusted to ensure that policies that have to be implemented at the state and local level (i.e., unfunded mandates and the like) are reasonable and limited?

    The answer is, they can’t. Local government comes with its own set of experience-accruing difficulties. It can be just as complex, the stakes just as high, but without the glamour that comes from being a member of the House, or a senator for two or 36 years. In fact, it has the potential to be much harder, for two reasons.

    First, you’re governing not just in the public spotlight but in and around and with your constituents. There is no buffer between you and the public if you’re a small-town or small-county executive. When you make a decision that people don’t like, you hear about it. You get phone calls, you get approached in the supermarket, people walk up to your front porch or back fence. This is just one of the reasons many local political parties have trouble at times finding people to run for office—it is tremendously stressful to be so easily accessible.

    Joe Biden sees real people on the train to and from Delaware, and he sees people in carefully scheduled events in the state itself. But when was the last time that Biden made a tough vote to curtail the funding for some project affecting his constituents and then had to go do his family shopping at the local grocery store? When was the last time Obama made a decision to enact some new regulatory scheme affecting small business and got approached while he was weeding in his front yard to hear complaints about it?

    These things happen in small towns. And frankly, it makes a politician a lot more sensitive to the impact of what they are doing. It lends an additional air of accountability that people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden simply don’t have.

    And from a practical standpoint, Obama and Biden have never had to contend with making the hard fiscal choices that small-town mayors and small-state governors have to. They’ve never had to balance a budget. Local officials do. Every year. They cannot go into debt. And frankly, America would be better off in the long term with more public officials in higher office who have had to grapple with keeping public books balanced.

    This talking point about the population of Wasilla, Alaska, is insulting—to the millions of Americans who live in small towns, to those who have done the hard work of serving the public in governance of those small towns, and to the intelligence of all of us by trying to confuse the real issues of experience and judgment with phantom ones.

    Those 2000 and 2004 maps told a story, a story with an important lesson. It had appeared as though the Democrats had learned it, but this new bit of arrogance shows that they have not.

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/09/12/sarah-palin-small-town-america-and-the-democrats-ongoing-arrogance-problem.html

  78. yup, when BO is in trouble, their strategy is…wait for it, wait for it…the RACE CARD!!!!

    yipeee – or whoopiieee. Now it seems that instead of BO playing it, he’s getting every surrogate to play it. pretty soon dumb Matt Damon will be playing the race card.

    I agree with the RD poster – Dems are losing women in droves – I knew that there would be a long term strategy for the Republicans – to get women back into the fold, as I said, if they put the ERA platform back on the Republican side as it was before Reagan, they might have a chance at keeping those women. if Bambi sinks in November, just think how much power women will have for the 2012 election with leverage to go Republican or Democrat – and the key to it will be the one and only, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  79. HWC,
    Oh thanks so much.
    I know, of course, that the fix was in, the campaign rigged, the nomination pre-determined but I did want to understand DNC’s “official” ( I use that term loosely) tally.
    That clears up my question.
    So the ‘floor vote’ was really the ‘hotel vote’ and the ‘hard vote’ was the pre-convention number before HRC suspended. Is that correct?
    Those numbers are, after all, the ones that will be reported in historical record, no?

  80. …does your analysis change if bambi loses the election and if so how?

    No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr. The delegate selection process essentially guarantees a black nominee from here on out.

    It’s a feedback loop. The more each district votes Dem, the more delegates they are awarded. As the Dem appeal in suburban and urban districts plummets, the African American and Starbucks Liberal districts become the only districts voting Democratic, thus ensuring even more disporportionate delegate selection. The feedback loop ensures nominating candidates that appeal more and more to the left wing of the party and less and less to general election voters.

  81. 1.mp Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
    If Bill/Hill have to campaign for that nameless one, then all I say is make sure you help spend his money!!!!
    take your time at events, be late as much as possible, and talk a lot about local/down tickets candidates more…
    But DO NOT Campaign together with the nameless one…

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    mp,

    I feel better about your suggestions for Bill and Hillary. I can tolerate those suggestions better, BUT I still prefer them not campaigning for Obama at all. Why should Billl HAVE to do it, he’s out of politics. Remember Obamas surrogates branded him as a loose cannon, a racist, Bill is only about Bill and blah, blah blah. Hopefully, the Clintons will take some of the suggestions. I think that the Clintons could have and should have defended themselves against being branded as racists. They shouldn’t have let that aspect of the primaries continue. They didn’t need the democrats backing to do that! That part of the primaries still concerns me.

    The only times Bill got defensive was when they were unnecessarily criticizing Hillary which is understandable. Instead of telling Bill to calm down, she should have let Bill be Bill. Heck, Obama “defended” Michelle and no one said a thing except they thought that women would swoon about his defense of Michelle.

    Also, I don’t get the fact that Hillary couldn’t go negative on Obama, he certainly went negative on her! What is the difference? Why couldn’t she go negative. Obama was her opponent, not her friend.

    It is asked: What do blacks owe the Clintons? But my question is: What does the Clintons owe Obama? NOTHING!!!

  82. BO only leads WA state by 2. How can that be? That state is bluer that CA. Must be white women. Weird things are happening. White women are just abandoning BO in droves.

  83. Washington governor

    More evidence Obama is dragging down the democratic ticket. New Rassmussen poll out of Washington on governor’s race.

    h t t p : / / http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_governor_elections/washington/election_2008_washington_governor

    Republican challenger Dino Rossi has pulled ahead of Governor Christine Gregoire for the first time since February in Washington’s gubernatorial election. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state finds Rossi leading the incumbent 52% to 46%

  84. I thought Gov Palin handled herself quite fine! No “ehh, ohh, ummm, but, but, but.” Although she fumbled the “Bush Doctrine” question, which by the way was a “Gotcha” moment and very few Americans know what the hell it is, she came back pretty strong and assertive. Overall, she did just fine. America got to see the Media bias towards her up close and personal, and also got to see how well she can handle them!

    This woman impresses me more and more each day! Hillary, I love you..always will, but Palin got my vote!

  85. It could have been a “choice card” that Whoopie played, except that she could have used other wording. Instead I just see a double meaning here and I think it was deliberate.jmo

  86. filbertsf – just wait til McCain starts to catch up in CA.

    a friend on this board had said (and take with a grain of salt) that McCain’s internals are saying that he’s 10 points behind in CA.

  87. Also, this is why Hollywood stars should stay out of politics. I’ve been a fan of Damon since his brilliant film ” Good Will Hunting”, but now he’s sounding like an ass! Give it a rest Matt..don’t make me burn my copies of Good Will Hunting and the Bourne Identity series!!!!!

  88. well, folks, it is amazing what we knew before Hillary suspended – we knew these would happen, the downticket drag of BO, that the red states would stay red, and the blue states might go purple or red, BO hasn’t imploded in scandal yet but the Republicans will use that as their “third act”…

  89. as far as women and the Republican party – the Republicans know that Sarah Palin is the future. Smart ones, they are.

  90. HWC,
    If this:
    ‘The Democratic Party will now systematically destroy anyone who supported Clinton. Where do you think the Charlie Rangel stuff is coming from?’
    and this;
    “No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr.”
    are true, why would the Clinton’s continue to play the game? Surely they’re aware of the strategy. They must think they can overpower the coup, right? And surely the dems know they can’t win with just AA’s and Latte liberals, don’t you think?

  91. kostner, wasn’t Gregoire an HRC supporter?

    CTV, if the Hispanic voters swing McCain’s way, it’s quite possible that McCain will take CA. It’s a slim chance, but if McCain wants it, he needs to make a unique appeal to them.

    Unlike carby, I’m not as confident that that will happen. Having lived in CA all my life and followed its politics, seem they are okay with a GOP Gov, but no-go with Pres. Then again, the demographics are changing.

  92. Palin’s Entry Gives GOP Ticket
    Shot at Capturing the Youth Vote
    By STEPHANIE SIMON

    online.wsj.com/article/SB122109607230421889.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  93. I think the Dems felt safe in using misogyny to tear down Hillary, and now Sarah, because they actually didn’t think we’d care. I honestly think they didn’t think that it was a big deal. That it would be important to us.

    They have treated us as nothing more than walking “uteruses-in-peril” in the Democratic party for so many years, that it likely never even entered their minds that WE might consider ourselves MORE than that.

    Their actions have ripped the mask off of what the Democratic Party really thinks of women, and it is ugly, indeed. Their confusion and anger over the way we insist on seeing ourselves as WHOLE persons, not as merely pawns in the choice game, is a stunning testament to their narrow and dismissive view of us.

    That they remain confused, that they continue to bleat ROE ROE ROE! at us, while never once ADDRESSING the things that are pissing us off, is another indication of just how seriously they take our concerns, even now.

    The Democratic Party is at a very dangerous watershed, similar to the seismic shift that occurred when the AA’s left the Republicans in droves in the 60’s. And so far, they seem to be utterly blind to that danger.

  94. filbertsf – that would be unbelievable sight to see CA go red…

    I imagine Reagan won it…i’ll have to see if that was the last time.

    I do believe that McCain will make a push for Hispanics in CA…and the key again: Latinas.

    They went 73% for Clinton in CA.

  95. Jesus, if McCain can get just a small chunk of that 73% that could put him over.

    But as I stated before, Latino voters are difficult to gauge. You can’t reach them through conventional methods. It’s basically a community encouragement thing. I sure as hell called lists and Latino voters and spoke only to a handful. Unions is one of the best way to reach them.

  96. I’m not overly confident in Palin. If she were at the top of a ticket, there is no way in hell I could vote for her, simply because she lacks FP experience.

    For me, it always comes back to Obama or McCain. In which case…I gotta go with McCain (and hope like hell he has his mothers longevity).

  97. Governor Christine Gregoire
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    She is my pick for worst governor in the country. Prior to becoming governor she was attorney general and botched up some very big cases that cost taxpayers many millons of dollars in liability. She was asleep at the switch and blamed an innocnent party. Since becoming governor she has been spending money like a drunken sailor, the ferry system is broken, labor relations is in shambles but she wants another term. Very poor administrator. I voted for her last time because she is supposedly a democrat. When she turned on Hillary I changed my tune. I am supporting Rossi. He is competent, has a track record of success and he did not knife Hillary. As far as I am concerned Gregoire is history.

  98. Did Gibson ever ask those foreign relation questions to Obama…without prepping, with the same beligerent attititude of disgust that he showed Palin?

  99. mp, geographically yes, but politically, they are as different as night and day. I really think WA State highlights the droves of white women abandoning BO.

    Completely different story had BO chosen HRC. In fact, I think had BO chosen HRC, McCain would’ve gone with that Gov of LA.

  100. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Obama’s now touting his “position” of wanting to double funding for school vouchers and making it easier to fire underperforming teachers
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    That is right out of the GOP play book about how to destroy Public education. I have a friend who teaches in a “inner city” elementary school…I wouldn’t last an hour and if she is taking a day off the subs don’t last past lunch.

  101. Hwc says:” No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr. The delegate selection process essentially guarantees a black nominee from here on out.

    “It’s a feedback loop. The more each district votes Dem, the more delegates they are awarded. As the Dem appeal in suburban and urban districts plummets, the African American and Starbucks Liberal districts become the only districts voting Democratic, thus ensuring even more disporportionate delegate selection. The feedback loop ensures nominating candidates that appeal more and more to the left wing of the party and less and less to general election voters.”

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    That is a very frustrating scenario. Seems like the democratic party may be doomed.

    As far as Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr, I wouldn’t vote for any of them, especially Jesse Jr.

  102. More on Gregoire: she received a huge political contribution from one of the tribes and shortly thereafter she gave them tax relief. I have not studied the details but it stinks. The newspapers are all over it. If you speak to the bartenders in town they will tell you that they serve alot of drinks to people who work for her, and that is why they are at the bar in the first place complaining. Hillary campaigned for her but she went for bambi. So on top of everthing else there is a whiff of treason about her.

  103. The key word yesterday in the Gibson interview was NATO…
    At least Palin knew its roles and what the concept behind the alliance is.

    Has BO held that sub-committee meeting on NATO yet????

  104. “No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr.”
    are true, why would the Clinton’s continue to play the game? Surely they’re aware of the strategy. They must think they can overpower the coup, right? And surely the dems know they can’t win with just AA’s and Latte liberals, don’t you think?
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    Time will tell but I think that the majority of Dems fall into the Clinton wing of the Party. They got steamrollered by the “loser wing” who used the race card. A crushing defeat for Obama may signal the end of the “losers”. If Obama is having money problems, it means that the “old line” Dems are pissed and aren’t going to throw $$$ down the Obama Rat Hole.

  105. Time will tell but I think that the majority of Dems fall into the Clinton wing of the Party.

    That’s true. But, the DNC has taken care of that problem by gerrymandering the nominating process.

  106. No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr. The delegate selection process essentially guarantees a black nominee from here on out.

    It’s a feedback loop. The more each district votes Dem, the more delegates they are awarded. As the Dem appeal in suburban and urban districts plummets, the African American and Starbucks Liberal districts become the only districts voting Democratic, thus ensuring even more disporportionate delegate selection. The feedback loop ensures nominating candidates that appeal more and more to the left wing of the party and less and less to general election voters
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    HWC: If you are correct, then what is your best advice to Hillary?

  107. For those considering voting straight GOP or staying home, blog.pumapac.org is working on a recommed slate for each state, rewarding the Dems who supported Hillary and punishing those who supported Obama when it mattered.

    They will be updating this as time goes on.

    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org/2008/09/11/the-puma-pac-slate-for-each-and-every-state/

    They say to be sure not to leave the President line blank: some bot vote counter could fill it in with Obama.

    Personally I plan for president to vote Green unless the race is close in my state.

  108. The only demographic group McCain has not cracked yet is Hispanic voters. He needs to penetrate this group and will win.

  109. ‘But, the DNC has taken care of that problem by gerrymandering the nominating process.’

    Well, they could change it back to the way it was before, too,
    especially of BO wins and Brazile, Dean and Pelosi go down in flames.

  110. Another thought on Palin. Alaska is such a red state that there’s no point in anyone running Democratic. So she fought the corrupt republicans as a republican.

    However she is so strong for reform that when in national office she may go after the corrupt republicans in Washington DC. She may have, or gain, more in common with the Democrats than we expect. She might even start presenting herself as a bi-partisan candidate, getting support from both sides (as Obama originally claimed he would).

  111. Who cares if they blame everything on Hillary? She’s strong enough to just stand tall and ignore their rants. Anyone who has been watching this election knows what idiots the dnc point men and women are. They know how arrogant and stupid Obama is. It’s not going to fly so I say let those needy idiots lay the blame on whoever they want. It will just make them look even worse than they already do.

  112. birdgal Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Hwc says:” No. If Bambi loses, the Dems will just blame it on Hillary. They’ll either nominate Obama again in four years or go with Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr. The delegate selection process essentially guarantees a black nominee from here on out.

    SHV, I have no doubt the blame will be placed on HRC and PUMA. No doubt at all. Which is why I was ranting against seeing visible PUMAs at McCain’s rallies.

    Last night I revisited mydd. It’s been almost 9 mos. since I read anything on that wretched blog. There is a top diary there addressed to “HRC Lovers and BO doubters.”

    It’s basically a laundry list of Bush failures and in one of the commentaries and puts part of the blame on HRC, an HRC Supporter states:

    “I sympathize with your plight, but you need to direct your anger where it belongs — at the Bush administration, and perhaps by extension to McCain supporters. But Clinton supporters aren’t responsible for the foreclosure crisis or lack of health care in this country.”

    To which an Obamabot replies:

    “They will be if they vote for McCain and get him elected…

    If ever I need a reason to NOT vote for BO, I need look no further than the folks at mydd. Seriously, most BO supporters have graduate degrees from the University of Assholes.

  113. On top of all the sexism and cheating, the biggest problem that the Dems have is that McCain was a great pick, and Sarah even better.

    McCain is not a centrist, nor is he a neo-con. He is an old-fashioned Libertarian-leaning western Repub, but one who is sensible enough to work with both the right wingers and the left wingers. He makes an effort to listen to and sometimes compromise with more left-centrist points of view, though he himself is not a centrist.

    I warned months and months ago that if the Repubs picked McCain, the Dems were going to have to come up with a better argument than “He is Bush! He is Bush!”, because the man is simply not Bush. He despises Bush, and the entire country knows it.

    Hillary could have fought it. Hillary was so good on real, practical policy that is attractive to all Americans, that she could have gone head to head with McCain and won on issues.

    Obama had two things: 1) His personal narrative and and charisma, and 2) the Bush years.

    Since the first is fading, and McCain is doing a fabulous job of being the Republican anti-Bush, Obama is now trying to fight on the ground where he IS and ALWAYS WAS the weakest: issues and policy. He is trying to be Hillary, because the Dems finally realized what we knew all along – that it would take a Hillary to beat a McCain. And he is failing MISERABLY at it.

  114. filbertsf:”If ever I need a reason to NOT vote for BO, I need look no further than the folks at mydd. Seriously, most BO supporters have graduate degrees from the University of Assholes.”

    Precisely. I think health care is down the road, for a variety of reasons. Heck, Kerry said it was off the table for the first year.

  115. That is a very frustrating scenario. Seems like the democratic party may be doomed.

    As far as Deval Patrick, Artur Davis, or Jesse Jr, I wouldn’t vote for any of them, especially Jesse Jr.

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    Well, if David Axelrod manages any of their campaigns, then, it will be like a bad TV show repeat.

    I do believe that BO losing in Nov will set back the chances of any other AA candidate, just as Patsy once said – because too many people have been smeared and hurt by the race-baiting…unless any one of these candidates runs a wholly different campaign, one of respect for people, they won’t have a chance…but it’ll be a long time to rebuild that trust. BO has done much damage with his scorched earth campaign of smearing innocent people.

  116. HillaryforTexas – I think Hillary’s strategists said as much – they thought equating McCain with Bush was absolutely wrong strategy

  117. CTV, Hillary’s people were right.

    Obama is not and never was Hillary, which is why it is ringing so false when he tries to be her at this late date.
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    his is why all the cries of “but but but look at his better POLICIES!” are having zero effect. Obama’s appeal never EVER was about policy, and everyone knows it. That he is now clinging to a platform that was never a part of his personal political identity ‘lo these long months is not passing the gut test of most Americans.

    Obama’s only chance of winning was to ride his personal “change” appeal. Now that that wave has passed, he’s got nothing.

    Nancy had better call Summer’s Eve, because the Dem party is feeling “not so fresh” anymore.

  118. McCain is not a centrist, nor is he a neo-con. He is an old-fashioned Libertarian-leaning western Repub, but one who is sensible enough to work with both the right wingers and the left wingers. He makes an effort to listen to and sometimes compromise with more left-centrist points of view, though he himself is not a centrist.

    H4T, with all due to you, that statement is not true. McCain’s voting record suggests he is a conservative Republican with sprinkles of disagreement here and there with his party’s position.

    I have always felt that even thought I am the anti-Obama vote, I will not justify McCain/Palin’s conservative credential to me feel better about not voting for a Dem. If you’re looking for a Republican who “listen to and sometimes compromise with more left-centrist POV” that would Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee. McCain is not Snowe or Chafee. He is a garden variety mainstream Conservative Republican. He claims to be a maverick, but the record does not support it. Sprinkles here and there, but nothing to write home about.

  119. Did you all know that BO’s role-model, Saul Alinsky, dedicated his “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer, who he calls the first man of dissent and the first real radical, and yet brazile and the other dumocrats are comparing BO to Jesus and Palin to Pilat.
    This is nuts!!!!!! If it wasn’t so friggin scary I’d be LMAO!
    “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer

  120. filbert, you have your opinion, I have mine. The definition of what is “center” in this country varies. It is relative to what the majority of the country thinks, not some textbook definition. I submit that Democrats have a history of misjudging where that center is.

    The center is what it IS, based on the opinions of the voters of the entire country, not what I as a leftist and Liberal wish it to be.

  121. I agree somewhat with the varying definitions.

    Here is the site I always go to whenever I am unfamiliar with a candidates/official holders position on issues:

    w w w.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm

  122. I’ve used that site many times, filbert. I am not an idiot. Please be aware that I am neither drinking any Bushie koolaid, nor am I as woefully uninformed as you continue to seem to assume. I am only offering my views of how the majority of the country will and do see John McCain.

    I am analyzing this race on the basis of my knowledge of the electorate, and who can win VOTES, not who can win the argument.

    Leaders and politicians are human beings, and in the long run, voters vote for human beings. There is much about McCain’s character, record, and persona that says “reasonable”, and all the fact-check websites in the world will not change that reality.

  123. H4T, with all due to you, that statement is not true. McCain’s voting record suggests he is a conservative Republican with sprinkles of disagreement here and there with his party’s position.
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    senate minority leader mcconnel would not agree with you filbersf. I had a fundraiser for him a number of years ago and sat next to him as host and all he could whine about was mccain and how he was a darling of the media, not a true republican. He is different. And what was posted above was true. I gave that fundraiser at the request of my company. By then I was no longer a republican, and was supporting Hillary. Take immigration, campaign finance reform and other things–he is not your average republican. He is more like goldwater if you were around in those days and remember him. AU H20 in “64 as they used to say.

  124. kostner Says:
    People do vote on an emotinal level, they will seek revenge not only on Obama/Biden, but on any democratic candidate. That’s why the more vicious attacks Obama launch, the more dangerous democratic candidates’ chance in congress
    ===================

    Yes, and I think that’s too bad. A striaght ticket vote for the GOP could be taken as sincerely GOP. The only clear message is to vote FOR the Dems who suppoted HIllary, and against the others.

    blog.pumapac.org has a slate up for which Dems to reward and punish in each state. Bless them!
    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org/2008/09/11/the-puma-pac-slate-for-each-and-every-state/

  125. I see a man with no experience whatsoever for this important job. His policies are Hillary’s warmed over. He doesn’t understand them. He doesn’t know how to explain them. He doesn’t have the knowledge to think or act quickly when he is thrown for a loop. He would need a monitor for every action he makes.

    Is this the kind of president everyone wants? This B-Grade Spaghetti Western Wannabe President?

  126. ADMIN…

    The Obama Craze: Count Me Out
    by Matt Gonzalez‚ Feb. 27‚ 2008

    Part of me shares the enthusiasm for Barack Obama. After all, how could someone calling themself a progressive not sense the importance of what it means to have an African-American so close to the presidency? But as his campaign has unfolded, and I heard that we are not red states or blue states for the 6th or 7th time, I realized I knew virtually nothing about him.

    Like most, I know he gave a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. I know he defeated Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race; although it wasn’t much of a contest (Keyes was living in Maryland when he announced). Recently, I started looking into Obama’s voting record, and I’m afraid to say I’m not just uninspired: I’m downright fearful. Here’s why:

    This is a candidate who says he’s going to usher in change; that he is a different kind of politician who has the skills to get things done. He reminds us again and again that he had the foresight to oppose the war in Iraq. And he seems to have a genuine interest in lifting up the poor.

    But his record suggests that he is incapable of ushering in any kind of change I’d like to see. It is one of accommodation and concession to the very political powers that we need to rein in and oppose if we are to make truly lasting advances.

    THE WAR IN IRAQ

    Let’s start with his signature position against the Iraq war. Obama has sent mixed messages at best.

    First, he opposed the war in Iraq while in the Illinois state legislature. Once he was running for US Senate though, when public opinion and support for the war was at its highest, he was quoted in the July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune as saying, “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who’s in a position to execute.” The Tribune went on to say that Obama, “now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation – a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration.”

    Obama’s campaign says he was referring to the ongoing occupation and how best to stabilize the region. But why wouldn’t he have taken the opportunity to urge withdrawal if he truly opposed the war? Was he trying to signal to conservative voters that he would subjugate his anti-war position if elected to the US Senate and perhaps support a lengthy occupation? Well as it turns out, he’s done just that.

    Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration’s various false justifications for going to war in Iraq. Why would he vote to make one of the architects of “Operation Iraqi Liberation” the head of US foreign policy? Curiously, he lacked the courage of 13 of his colleagues who voted against her confirmation.

    And though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.

    And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman “his mentor” and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called “Bush’s closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War.” Why would Obama have done that if he was truly against the war?

    Recently, with anti-war sentiment on the rise, Obama declared he will get our combat troops out of Iraq in 2009. But Obama isn’t actually saying he wants to get all of our troops out of Iraq. At a September 2007 debate before the New Hampshire primary, moderated by Tim Russert, Obama refused to commit to getting our troops out of Iraq by January 2013 and, on the campaign trail, he has repeatedly stated his desire to add 100,000 combat troops to the military.

    At the same event, Obama committed to keeping enough soldiers in Iraq to “carry out our counter-terrorism activities there” which includes “striking at al Qaeda in Iraq.” What he didn’t say is this continued warfare will require an estimated 60,000 troops to remain in Iraq according to a May 2006 report prepared by the Center for American Progress. Moreover, it appears he intends to “redeploy” the troops he takes out of the unpopular war in Iraq and send them to Afghanistan. So it appears that under Obama’s plan the US will remain heavily engaged in war.

    This is hardly a position to get excited about.

    CLASS ACTION REFORM:

    In 2005, Obama joined Republicans in passing a law dubiously called the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA) that would shut down state courts as a venue to hear many class action lawsuits. Long a desired objective of large corporations and President George Bush, Obama in effect voted to deny redress in many of the courts where these kinds of cases have the best chance of surviving corporate legal challenges. Instead, it forces them into the backlogged Republican-judge dominated federal courts.

    By contrast, Senators Clinton, Edwards and Kerry joined 23 others to vote against CAFA, noting the “reform” was a thinly-veiled “special interest extravaganza” that favored banking, creditors and other corporate interests. David Sirota, the former spokesman for Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee, commented on CAFA in the June 26, 2006 issue of The Nation, “Opposed by most major civil rights and consumer watchdog groups, this Big Business-backed legislation was sold to the public as a way to stop “frivolous” lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the bill’s real objective was to protect corporate abusers.”

    Nation contributor Dan Zegart noted further: “On its face, the class-action bill is mere procedural tinkering, transferring from state to federal court actions involving more than $5 million where any plaintiff is from a different state from the defendant company. But federal courts are much more hostile to class actions than their state counterparts; such cases tend to be rooted in the finer points of state law, in which federal judges are reluctant to dabble. And even if federal judges do take on these suits, with only 678 of them on the bench (compared with 9,200 state judges), already overburdened dockets will grow. Thus, the bill will make class actions – most of which involve discrimination, consumer fraud and wage-and-hour violations – all but impossible. One example: After forty lawsuits were filed against Wal-Mart for allegedly forcing employees to work “off the clock,” four state courts certified these suits as class actions. Not a single federal court did so, although the practice probably involves hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide.”

    Why would a civil rights lawyer knowingly make it harder for working-class people to have their day in court, in effect shutting off avenues of redress?

    CREDIT CARD INTEREST RATES:

    Obama has a way of ducking hard votes or explaining away his bad votes by trying to blame poorly-written statutes. Case in point: an amendment he voted on as part of a recent bankruptcy bill before the US Senate would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent. Inexplicably, Obama voted against it, although it would have been the beginning of setting these predatory lending rates under federal control. Even Senator Hillary Clinton supported it.

    Now Obama explains his vote by saying the amendment was poorly written or set the ceiling too high. His explanation isn’t credible as Obama offered no lower number as an alternative, and didn’t put forward his own amendment clarifying whatever language he found objectionable.

    Why wouldn’t Obama have voted to create the first federal ceiling on predatory credit card interest rates, particularly as he calls himself a champion of the poor and middle classes? Perhaps he was signaling to the corporate establishment that they need not fear him. For all of his dynamic rhetoric about lifting up the masses, it seems Obama has little intention of doing anything concrete to reverse the cycle of poverty many struggle to overcome.

    LIMITING NON-ECONOMIC DAMAGES:

    These seemingly unusual votes wherein Obama aligns himself with Republican Party interests aren’t new. While in the Illinois Senate, Obama voted to limit the recovery that victims of medical malpractice could obtain through the courts. Capping non-economic damages in medical malpractice cases means a victim cannot fully recover for pain and suffering or for punitive damages. Moreover, it ignored that courts were already empowered to adjust awards when appropriate, and that the Illinois Supreme Court had previously ruled such limits on tort reform violated the state constitution.

    In the US Senate, Obama continued interfering with patients’ full recovery for tortious conduct. He was a sponsor of the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005. The bill requires hospitals to disclose errors to patients and has a mechanism whereby disclosure, coupled with apologies, is rewarded by limiting patients’ economic recovery. Rather than simply mandating disclosure, Obama’s solution is to trade what should be mandated for something that should never be given away: namely, full recovery for the injured patient.

    MINING LAW OF 1872:

    In November 2007, Obama came out against a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. The current statute, signed into law by Ulysses Grant, allows mining companies to pay a nominal fee, as little as $2.50 an acre, to mine for hardrock minerals like gold, silver, and copper without paying royalties. Yearly profits for mining hardrock on public lands is estimated to be in excess of $1 billion a year according to Earthworks, a group that monitors the industry. Not surprisingly, the industry spends freely when it comes to lobbying: an estimated $60 million between 1998-2004 according to The Center on Public Integrity. And it appears to be paying off, yet again.

    The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 would have finally overhauled the law and allowed American taxpayers to reap part of the royalties (4 percent of gross revenue on existing mining operations and 8 percent on new ones). The bill provided a revenue source to cleanup abandoned hardrock mines, which is likely to cost taxpayers over $50 million, and addressed health and safety concerns in the 11 affected western states.

    Later it came to light that one of Obama’s key advisors in Nevada is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies (CBS News “Obama’s Position On Mining Law Questioned. Democrat Shares Position with Mining Executives Who Employ Lobbyist Advising Him,” November 14, 2007).

    REGULATING NUCLEAR INDUSTRY:

    The New York Times reported that, while campaigning in Iowa in December 2007, Obama boasted that he had passed a bill requiring nuclear plants to promptly report radioactive leaks. This came after residents of his home state of Illinois complained they were not told of leaks that occurred at a nuclear plant operated by Exelon Corporation.

    The truth, however, was that Obama allowed the bill to be amended in Committee by Senate Republicans, replacing language mandating reporting with verbiage that merely offered guidance to regulators on how to address unreported leaks. The story noted that even this version of Obama’s bill failed to pass the Senate, so it was unclear why Obama was claiming to have passed the legislation. The February 3, 2008 The New York Times article titled “Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate” by Mike McIntire also noted the opinion of one of Obama’s constituents, which was hardly enthusiastic about Obama’s legislative efforts:

    “Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”

    As it turns out, the New York Times story noted: “Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.”

    ENERGY POLICY:

    On energy policy, it turns out Obama is a big supporter of corn-based ethanol which is well known for being an energy-intensive crop to grow. It is estimated that seven barrels of oil are required to produce eight barrels of corn ethanol, according to research by the Cato Institute. Ethanol’s impact on climate change is nominal and isn’t “green” according to Alisa Gravitz, Co-op America executive director. “It simply isn’t a major improvement over gasoline when it comes to reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.” A 2006 University of Minnesota study by Jason Hill and David Tilman, and an earlier study published in BioScience in 2005, concur. (There’s even concern that a reliance on corn-based ethanol would lead to higher food prices.)

    So why would Obama be touting this as a solution to our oil dependency? Could it have something to do with the fact that the first presidential primary is located in Iowa, corn capitol of the country? In legislative terms this means Obama voted in favor of $8 billion worth of corn subsidies in 2006 alone, when most of that money should have been committed to alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal and wind.

    SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE:

    Obama opposed single-payer bill HR676, sponsored by Congressmen Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers in 2006, although at least 75 members of Congress supported it. Single-payer works by trying to diminish the administrative costs that comprise somewhere around one-third of every health care dollar spent, by eliminating the duplicative nature of these services. The expected $300 billion in annual savings such a system would produce would go directly to cover the uninsured and expand coverage to those who already have insurance, according to Dr. Stephanie Woolhandler, an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program.

    Obama’s own plan has been widely criticized for leaving health care industry administrative costs in place and for allowing millions of people to remain uninsured. “Sicko” filmmaker Michael Moore ridiculed it saying, “Obama wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan-the same companies who have created the mess in the first place.”

    NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT:

    Regarding the North American Free Trade Agreement, Obama recently boasted, “I don’t think NAFTA has been good for Americans, and I never have.” Yet, Calvin Woodward reviewed Obama’s record on NAFTA in a February 26, 2008 Associated Press article and found that comment to be misleading: “In his 2004 Senate campaign, Obama said the US should pursue more deals such as NAFTA, and argued more broadly that his opponent’s call for tariffs would spark a trade war. AP reported then that the Illinois senator had spoken of enormous benefits having accrued to his state from NAFTA, while adding that he also called for more aggressive trade protections for US workers.”

    Putting aside campaign rhetoric, when actually given an opportunity to protect workers from unfair trade agreements, Obama cast the deciding vote against an amendment to a September 2005 Commerce Appropriations Bill, proposed by North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan, that would have prohibited US trade negotiators from weakening US laws that provide safeguards from unfair foreign trade practices. The bill would have been a vital tool to combat the outsourcing of jobs to foreign workers and would have ended a common corporate practice known as “pole-vaulting” over regulations, which allows companies doing foreign business to avoid “right to organize,” “minimum wage,” and other worker protections.

    SOME FINAL EXAMPLES:

    On March 2, 2007 Obama gave a speech at AIPAC, America’s pro-Israeli government lobby, wherein he disavowed his previous support for the plight of the Palestinians. In what appears to be a troubling pattern, Obama told his audience what they wanted to hear. He recounted a one-sided history of the region and called for continued military support for Israel, rather than taking the opportunity to promote the various peace movements in and outside of Israel.

    Why should we believe Obama has courage to bring about change? He wouldn’t have his picture taken with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom when visiting San Francisco for a fundraiser in his honor because Obama was scared voters might think he supports gay marriage (Newsom acknowledged this to Reuters on January 26, 2007 and former Mayor Willie Brown admitted to the San Francisco Chronicle on February 5, 2008 that Obama told him he wanted to avoid Newsom for that reason.)

    Obama acknowledges the disproportionate impact the death penalty has on blacks, but still supports it, while other politicians are fighting to stop it. (On December 17, 2007 New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine signed a bill banning the death penalty after it was passed by the New Jersey Assembly.)

    On September 29, 2006, Obama joined Republicans in voting to build 700 miles of double fencing on the Mexican border (The Secure Fence Act of 2006), abandoning 19 of his colleagues who had the courage to oppose it. But now that he’s campaigning in Texas and eager to win over Mexican-American voters, he says he’d employ a different border solution.

    It is shocking how frequently and consistently Obama is willing to subjugate good decision making for his personal and political benefit.

    Obama aggressively opposed initiating impeachment proceedings against the president (“Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable,” USA Today, June 28, 2007) and he wouldn’t even support Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold’s effort to censure the Bush administration for illegally wiretapping American citizens in violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. In Feingold’s words “I’m amazed at Democrats … cowering with this president’s number’s so low.” Once again, it’s troubling that Obama would take these positions and miss the opportunity to document the abuses of the Bush regime.

    CONCLUSION:

    Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about “change” and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.

    I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama’s style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I’m glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country.

    Matt Gonzalez is a former president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.

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  127. Caveat: he is different from Goldwater in other ways and there is no way his electoral fate will mirror goldwaters–unless he fails to fight.

  128. I do believe that BO losing in Nov will set back the chances of any other AA candidate, just as Patsy once said – because too many people have been smeared and hurt by the race-baiting…unless any one of these candidates runs a wholly different campaign, one of respect for people, they won’t have a chance…but it’ll be a long time to rebuild that trust. BO has done much damage with his scorched earth campaign of smearing innocent people.
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    I agree and told my Kool-aid family members that too…but they were so convinced that BO was going to win and be the next POTUS based on all the MSM meme. They keep telling me if BO is so wrong why isn’t the MSM saying he and the Dems will be in the White House.

    I told my family members months ago…in Feb. that it was Hillary or McCain but no Obama because he never did anything for anybody but himself and I was disgusted with his associates. I don’t trust him and he is a sexist hypocrit.

  129. HWC: If you are correct, then what is your best advice to Hillary?

    1) Go back to New York and be the best Senator she can be.

    2) Stop running away from the sexism she faced.

  130. Kudos for an awesome article.

    Arianna of the Huffington Post urged Obama to release his righteous rage. The problem is that to do so you must be a righteous person. And as we know Obama can only release pure rage of which he has plenty accumulated over the years. Remember his Reverend Wright with his infamous God D— America!!!!

    The mainstream media and newspapers and magazines are all infested with the Obama plague and blind when it comes to the Precious one of the DNC.

    But Arianna’s advice to Obama is good for the republicans because if he does unleash his rage he will most certainly keep slipping in the polls.

    But since he took the bridge to nowhere when he started showing his true colors and is now strategically positioned to lose big come November, in spite of anything Bill says, why not have some more sick fun calling Palin a pig and MCcain an old stinky fish.

  131. JanH Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    I see a man with no experience whatsoever for this important job. His policies are Hillary’s warmed over. He doesn’t understand them. He doesn’t know how to explain them. He doesn’t have the knowledge to think or act quickly when he is thrown for a loop. He would need a monitor for every action he makes.
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    Just thinking was a disaster an Obama-Putin meeting would be. That would make the JFK-Krushchev meeting seem brilliant.

  132. wbboei, just look at his voting his record. I’m not stating an opinion. He’s been in the Senate for a very long time and his record speaks for itself.

    I’m quite aware of McCain’s unpopularity with the anti-immigration folks. As I’ve stated, there are sprinkles here and there. However, there is NO Senator/Rep who is 100% anything.

    On the whole, McCain’s record suggest he is mainstream Conservative Republican.

  133. I think bambi winning and fucking up the country would set it back for black canidates. So many heroic smart really capable african americans and the powers that be pick him, because they can control him and he can bamboozle the masses. But it will not end well whatever happens.

  134. hwc, if Obama loses badly enough, the power brokers that are now running the DNC will be de-fanged, and the old blue-collar Clinton wing will rise again, and put their people in.

  135. hwc, if Obama loses badly enough, the power brokers that are now running the DNC will be de-fanged, and the old blue-collar Clinton wing will rise again, and put their people in
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    Amen.

  136. hwc says: Stop running away from the sexism she faced.

    Hwc, If she discussed the sexism, she would be considered to be whining. It is a damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. But, if BO could give a speech on racism, why couldn’t someone give a speech on sexism? Or ageism for that matter.

  137. Someone upthread asked why Hillary didn’t go super negative on Obama. She knew if she did she’d divide the Dem Party and harm her chances for winning the GE. Obama, on the other hand, assumed her supporters would automatically fall in line and back him. Big miscalculation.

  138. hwc Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    HWC: If you are correct, then what is your best advice to Hillary?

    1) Go back to New York and be the best Senator she can be.

    2) Stop running away from the sexism she faced.

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    HWC,

    Love your two suggestions, especially #2.

    I wish she would do both. That is the Hillary I would like to see 🙂

  139. Hwc, If she discussed the sexism, she would be considered to be whining. It is a damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

    I understand all that. But, Hillary is no longer constrained by those calculations. She’s free to speak her mind and, IMO, that’s exactly what she should be doing.

  140. Yep, Paula. If Hill had gone all out on Obama in the primaries, she would today be sitting in the EXACT SAME boat that he is – trying to win an election when you have half of your own party furious with you.

    Hill and Bill have done this before. She knew there was no point in winning the primary by dragging him down and being negative, even though she maybe COULD have, because it would only mean she would lose the general.

  141. John McCain interview with Univision

    Alone with John McCain
    Exclusive interview by Jorge Ramos

    ————————————

    He’s reaching out more to Hispanics than Bambi certainly is.

  142. Paula Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    Someone upthread asked why Hillary didn’t go super negative on Obama. She knew if she did she’d divide the Dem Party and harm her chances for winning the GE. Obama, on the other hand, assumed her supporters would automatically fall in line and back him. Big miscalculation.
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    But, Obama went super negative on her and divided up the party himself. Especially gave blacks an excuse to alienate her so she no longer had their support anymore. It became divided after Iowa and definitely after South Carolina. In my opinion, the few times she went negative on Obama she actually won the states.

  143. carbynew Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    Obama won’t win CA….Obama is TOAST!

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    DAMN, you keep saying that LOL. I hope you are right. I still don’t see it, but if the conservatives get mobilized, it might happen. But, McCain doesn’t seem to have the Latino vote, shich is crucial to a win in CA.

  144. Hrt,

    I think that because she didn’t go negative on Obama is what caused her to lose the primaries. She has to get past the primaries first and then concentrate on the general election.

    I don’t understand how her party not liking her can cause her the general election if the public continues to vote for her. I thought that it was the people’ votes that actually counted.

    Obama has or had his party’s support and can still lose the election if the people don’t vote for him. That’s my understanding.

  145. hwc: ” understand all that. But, Hillary is no longer constrained by those calculations. She’s free to speak her mind and, IMO, that’s exactly what she should be doing.”

    Maybe, she’ll do it after the election. I hope she does. The sexism is running amok. If she does it now, they will come after her with knives.

  146. Democrats desert Barack Obama and turn towards the Republicans
    h t t p : / / http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4744003.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

    Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running-mate.

    “She empowers a lot of women,” said Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County — a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working-class swing voters who will play an important role in deciding the election in November.

    “I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day — she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can be an excellent mum,” she said. “Sarah Palin is a role model. She’s made me more likely to vote Republican.”

    If Mr Obama should be in any doubt how gravely the vice-presidential nomination of the Governor of Alaska has imperilled his White House ambitions, then a day spent in Macomb County will make this clear: white women who voted for John Kerry in 2004 are suddenly deserting the Democratic Party.

    his is Mount Clemens, in the heart of Macomb County, where the pollster Stan Greenberg first identified the phenomenon of the Reagan Democrats — the working-class, socially conservative, traditionally Democratic whites who deserted the party for Ronald Reagan in 1980. It is fair to say that this critical swing group now has a new name: Palin Democrats.

    The Times spoke to dozens of women here — perhaps the key demographic in this election — in an area that is 88 per cent white, has one of the highest unemployment and home repossession rates in the country, and will play a big role in determining who wins Michigan in November. It is a crucial swing state that no Republican has won since 1988 but where Mr Obama is particularly vulnerable. Nearly all said that they were still undecided. Yet the disturbing fact for Mr Obama was how many said that they had been leaning towards him — until Mrs Palin entered the race. It lends new credence to a poll last week that showed white women fleeing from Mr Obama to Mr McCain.

    Katherine Herman, 45, is a lifelong Democrat who has never voted for a Republican. Until now. “I have a friend who’s a Democrat, and like me, it’s Sarah Palin that’s caused her to lean in favour of McCain. My friend is a hockey mom like her. Palin is tenacious. She’s sure of herself and would make good decisions for all Americans,” she said.

    Stephanie Parker, 23, a single mother puffing on a Marlboro menthol cigarette in Main Street, Mount Clemens, voted for Mr Kerry and had been drawn to Mr Obama. “Palin’s made a big difference. I think she’ll do us great. What she stands for is fantastic,” she said. What does she stand for? “I couldn’t tell really. But I love her.”

    Jennifer Zvara, 22, another single mother who voted for John Kerry, said: “I’m undecided but leaning more towards McCain because of Palin. It’s a women thing. She’s one of us. This race is about the running-mates — it’s not about Obama any more.”

    Aides to Mr Obama have argued that the conservatism of Mrs Palin — her opposition to abortion even in cases of rape and incest — will alienate women. Yet the women who spoke to The Times said that while they were concerned about those views they were willing to overlook them.

    In recent presidential races pollsters have striven to name the pre-eminent voter swing group that they believe will decide the election. White women were always considered pivotal in a close election.

    In 1996 it was “soccer moms” whom Bill Clinton targeted. In 2004 it was “security moms” who helped President Bush to win re-election. This year the group watched most closely by pollsters has been named the “Wal-Mart moms” — the white everywoman, juggling work and children, who wants a Democrat in the White House but is not yet sold on Mr Obama. In Mrs Palin they have found a soulmate.

    Tammy Pore, 31, leaving Wal-Mart with one of her two children, said that she had decided to vote for Mr Obama. She said that she was leaning towards Mr McCain. “I think Sarah Palin is a great choice. There are some of us who have certain worries about Obama’s faith. I wouldn’t say he’s not a Christian — but maybe he just has a different belief.” Another young mother, who did not want to be named, simply said: “I’m a Republican. But I would have voted for Obama if he’d picked Hillary. We really want a woman in the White House.”

    Last month, before Mrs Palin was picked by Mr McCain, Mr Greenberg returned to Macomb County. He conducted six focus groups. “Obama has yet to close the deal with white, working-class voters who normally vote Democrat,” Mr Greenberg said. Macomb’s Reagan Democrats were “refusing to dismiss their worst fears — that he does not love America or even might harbour a secret agenda”. Mrs Palin is giving them all the more reason to reject Mr Obama.

  147. To some women, Sarah Palin is the savior of the Republican party, a bona fide outsider who can multi-task with a BlackBerry and a breast pump. To others, she is a thief of Hillary Clinton’s mantle, a little-known governor thrust into the limelight who doesn’t agree with the majority of women on key social issues, like abortion.

    Whatever the sentiment, Palin has emerged as the most polarizing candidate since, well, Hillary Clinton.

    In Silicon Valley, which has been a fundraising stronghold for Democrats, a late September luncheon with Palin is so popular that the event in the garden of Tom and Stacey Siebel’s new Woodside home may have to be moved: 900 have replied; the garden only fits 800.

    No one expects Palin will turn heavily Democratic California red, but friends, sisters, co-workers, moms and daughters are all talking about “Sarah.”

    Carrie Fernandes, a Santa Clara mother of three, understands all of the buzz.

    “Palin is more real,” said Fernandes, a 30-year-old Republican. “My mom, a Democrat, thinks Palin is a joke, chosen to attract more media attention rather than her qualifications, but she connects with regular people.”

    Many Democrats are incensed at around-the-clock media coverage that, while some have labeled it sexist, others say is fawning and building a larger-than-life myth around a woman most voters know very little about. Many in both camps are waiting eagerly to hear what Palin has to say in her first major television interview broadcast Thursday and today on ABC.

    “It’s flabbergasting,” said Katie McBride, a marketing executive and Democrat from San Jose who is taking some time off to raise two young children. “She is just a smokescreen. How can anyone compare Sarah Palin to Hillary Clinton? I finally found a blog to vent some of my frustrations,” said McBride. Never particularly active in politics before, McBride is now sending her like-minded friends to the blog, womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/.

    Nationally, groups are using Palin’s nomination to hold fundraisers — to elect her or defeat her. “Read my lipstick” buttons are selling, a reference to Palin’s joke about the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull.

    “Palin is an attractive personality — she was very chatty in her speech and is a very interesting role model. She gets the media’s attention,” said Lorraine Hariton, a major Clinton fundraiser in the valley who is now raising money for Obama and says it’s not just Republicans who are re-energized. “Many of us are more engaged. Palin has energized the race and made it more competitive. Just look how close it is and we’re doing everything to win in November, in just six weeks.”

    Heading toward Election Day, with some polls suggesting white women moving to the McCain/Palin ticket, both Republicans and Democrats are scrambling to appeal to women.

    Today John McCain, who never had a huge female following, is appearing on “The View” and chef Rachel Ray’s show. The Obama campaign has been hitting back, trying to figure out a line of attack against Palin without being labeled sexist.

    In political terms, it’s a clever pick for the Republicans, said Barbara O’Connor, director of California State-Sacramento’s Institute for the Study of Politics and the Media..

    “It was a brilliant surprise. She has all the demographics of the undecided voter, and there are a large number of women who are tired of voting for men,” O’Connor said.

    “She is also polarizing. It disoriented the Democrats, disoriented the press and disoriented the women’s movement,” she said. “We’ll see if it remains.”

    Palin’s pick is valuable to McCain, said Bill Whalen, a Hoover Institution fellow at Stanford University and Republican strategist. “She solidifies the red states, the importance of which cannot be understated. The second, for whatever reason, is she completely got inside the Obama campaign’s head and seems to be tormenting them.”

    Another benefit, he said, is fundraising. “She’s not coming to Woodside in a few days to garner votes,” he said, “she’s coming to garner money.”

    But Republicans in the valley say they are seeing something rare: women excited about a GOP ticket.

    “We are hearing from so many women who were not that excited about the Republican party in recent years, women are coming back to the GOP,” said Kristen Hueter, the chief fundraiser for the Siebel event on Sept. 25. An Orange County fundraiser has already been moved twice to accommodate the demand and 15,000 tickets are being distributed for a public rally in that county on September 26.

    “I watch her every chance I get,” said Betty McCutcheon, 80, who stopped to chat before grocery shopping at SaveMart in San Jose. “She is definitely an asset to the ticket.”

    McCutcheon, who is a Republican, said she has no qualms about Palin being a “heartbeat away” from the presidency. “If she had to take over the presidency, there would be others backing her up,” she said, “just like any other president.”

    Some Democratic women are careful not to degrade Palin’s achievements, but they argue she just isn’t ready.

    “I was a big Clinton supporter,” said Karen Eichstadt-Coy, a photographer from Mountain View. “Though I hate to beat up on her because she is a woman, that’s my bias, I’m more worried that she is not ready, prepared or has the experience.”

    However, she added, “the fact that the GOP and hard-core section of the GOP picked a woman, I suppose that’s showing progress. They actually picked a woman. That’s about the only good news.”

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10440957?source=most_emailed
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    Obama will not win CA!!!

    Obama support in the state is SOFT.

  148. By not going as negative as she could, Hillary ran a respectable and above-board race that cannot be misjudged. She needs to hang in until the November decision and maybe even longer. She doesn’t need to go negative because Obama is bleeding all over the place with foot in mouth disease. There are plenty of others around to do the job for her, especially the Republicans. She is double-whammyed because she is a woman. While Palin can get away with it from the other side, Hillary can’t.

    As angry as she might be by the treatment she got from her own fellow democrats, this is not the answer. They will come out with dirty hands. She won’t. She will go on to survive another day.

  149. Wow just added the View to my list of blocked programs. Fox just played a replay of Barbara WAWA going hard after McCain. Contrast that to how gingerly mesmell obama was handled. Sickenning.
    I am still seething over the wanna be first lady being a no show at memorial yesterday. Any noise on that today.

  150. Obama Lin Biden candidacy is TOAST. The Americans are not that stupid.

    I can’t wait untill this con artist will get drilled on WRIGHT/REZKO/AYERS/FARAKHAN issues.

    Vote for John Mccain for HRC 2012….

  151. That Lorraine Harriton menntioned in that CA article is something…
    She was a Hill delegate and quickly moved over to BO and doing things in this area big time for him;
    she is a sellout…a chairwoman of a high-tech company, previously its CEO; they are interested in BO
    now due to federal grants/supports for their companies…

  152. Damon is a good actor but not much of a thinker.
    I doubt if he knows Barack’s relationships to Ayers and Dohrn or who Ayers and Dohrn are.
    He must not know that the U of Chicago stonewalls journalists from reading the 132 volumes about obama/ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Project.
    Damon must not know about Barack and The Woods Foundation and William Ayers or about Barack having his first fund raiser in the Ayers/Dohrn household.

    Can you imagine how much more virulent these obama-ites would be toward McCain or Palin if either of them had a 20 + year friendship – a close one –
    to a man who bombed the capitol and the pentagon?

    Obama has and continues to – befriended a man who bombed the capitol and the pentagon just as Al Queda did on Sept.11.

    stunning ignorance; stunning hypocrisy

  153. henry….it is unbelievable.

    The Undemocratic Party let him fooled them…I hope this time the Americans will wake up..

    I used to be a loyal democrat, but now independent because of HRC…

    I’m loving it….it looks like John will WIN it big time…..

    HRC 2012…..

  154. filbertsf Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    wbboei, just look at his voting his record. I’m not stating an opinion. He’s been in the Senate for a very long time and his record speaks for itself.

    I’m quite aware of McCain’s unpopularity with the anti-immigration folks. As I’ve stated, there are sprinkles here and there. However, there is NO Senator/Rep who is 100% anything.

    On the whole, McCain’s record suggest he is mainstream Conservative Republican.
    ————————————–
    With all due, you come off as beating us over the head with your opinion on subjects, the same opinion over and over again. What part of a Manchurian candidate [Obama] do you not understand? Irregardless of where McCain/Palin lean on a scale of one to ten of ultra conservative to ultra left……….nObama does not register on the scale, except maybe as a -10 on the ultra left scale. Please, repeating your mantra over and over again makes me think you view us as “not so smart.” We are informed and have critical thinking skills.

  155. Rahn Emmanuel was on MSNBC and is upset and panicky talking to Nora…they have lost their cool. It’s eye opening to see them losing their cool…begging doesn’t show confidence in Obama can “sell the deal.”

    Their poll numbers must be horrible to see rahm lose it.

  156. texan: look at the last paragraph:

    “If Democrats lose the House, they can look back to Pelosi’s adjournment as their tipping point. She may have singlehandedly transformed her party, which looked like it couldn’t lose this year, into a minority in the House.’

    I hope she loses her Speaker status. She doesn’t deserve it. BO may lose the WH, and her actions may lose the House. WTF. No wonder Hillary is campaigning so hard for down ticket dems. Unbelievable. Just an example: “Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.”

  157. I want JACK MURTHA as House Speaker! That is who Hill and lots of the old blue-collar Dems backed for Speaker, but the latte elitists just had to have Nasty Nancy.

  158. basil9 said: Those numbers are, after all, the ones that will be reported in historical record, no?
    ===========

    Depends on who writes the history books. Which may depend on who wins in November.

    I don’t have the stomch for the details of the DNC dirty work at the convention. I comfort myself by thinking that some delegates who went in to the convention hoping for ‘unity’ witnessed the dirty work and came out feeling like PUMAS, though not saying so publically. (Some DID speak out against it!)

    The worse the DNC behaves, the more people they alienate.

  159. birdgal,

    It was desperation time and was talking so fast and wouldn’t stop talking that Nora gave up and let him speak. She wanted to ask him alot of question but he just wouldn’t stop talking about how McCain/Palin would be wrong for this country and that Obama was what this country nee.

    There was more but I tuned out and was watching his body language and how upset he seemed. Even Nora just stop trying to interrupted and just let him go on in the segment.

  160. For Immediate Release

    Contact: Press Office

    Friday, September 12, 2008

    603-369-8744

    MANCHESTER, NH — The McCain-Palin campaign today announced that New Hampshire State Representative Doreen Howard, a Democratic legislator from Newmarket, has endorsed John McCain for president. Representative Howard previously supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy.

    “As a lifelong Democrat who enthusiastically backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries, I am now supporting John McCain. Like Senator Clinton, McCain values the importance of public service. Both Clinton and McCain put country first and that’s critically important,” said Howard. “John McCain and Sarah Palin are mavericks who have proven they can deliver real reform. As our nation faces challenges at home and abroad, Americans will benefit from their experience, judgment and strong leadership.”

    Elected in 2006, Representative Howard is a member of the State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs Committee. She represents Newmarket and Newfields.

    Representative Howard supported John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000.

  161. I watched that Semper Fidelis video from the 7 listed above. I love the way the lady says “Senator Barack Obama.” She does it with so much disdain. Her contempt for him is palpable.

    Totally sweet.

    # Lorey Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Kudos for an awesome article.

    Arianna of the Huffington Post urged Obama to release his righteous rage. The problem is that to do so you must be a righteous person. And as we know Obama can only release pure rage of which he has plenty accumulated over the years. Remember his Reverend Wright with his infamous God D— America!!!!

    The mainstream media and newspapers and magazines are all infested with the Obama plague and blind when it comes to the Precious one of the DNC.

    But Arianna’s advice to Obama is good for the republicans because if he does unleash his rage he will most certainly keep slipping in the polls.

    But since he took the bridge to nowhere when he started showing his true colors and is now strategically positioned to lose big come November, in spite of anything Bill says, why not have some more sick fun calling Palin a pig and MCcain an old stinky fish.

    Lorey, McCain may be egging him on but if Dumbass gets too indignant, he’ll just be another “angry black man” which is exactly what he cannot be seen as to win the swing states.

    Folks already think he’s racist, they already think he’s sexist, but he has enough charm to ease those fears. He’ gets angry, let’s his blood boil, then his goose is cooked. The double-edged sword is if he doesn’t fight back, then he’s another panty-waisted Democrat which is just as bad.

  162. He’ gets angry, let’s his blood boil, then his goose is cooked.
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    It’s gonna happen..The Republicans haven’t put on any real pressure yet, his NPD will get the best of him and he will lash out.

    McCain has anger issues also but he has kept that away from the public view

  163. Palin Chat Gives ABC Newscast a Win
    By Andrew Krukowski

    Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin’s visit to “World News Tonight” drew 9.7 million viewers, lifting ABC to the top in the nightly news race Thursday.

    Part one of Gov. Palin’s interview with Charles Gibson overtook second-place “NBC Nightly News” by 29% in terms of viewers, according to preliminary data from Nielsen Media Research. It’s a viewership high for ABC since Feb. 12.

    Yesterday’s telecast also brought in a 2.5 rating/10 share in adults 25 to 54 years old. Week-to-week, the interview gave “World News Tonight” a 36% increase in that target demographic.

    This isn’t the first time an appearance by Gov. Palin has spiked ratings. Her speech at the Republican National Convention brought in droves of viewers curious about the Republicans’ surprise pick for their vice presidential nominee.

    More than 37.2 million viewers watched Sept. 3 Gov. Palin’s speech at the RNC, only 1 million fewer than watched Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama’s speech the week prior.

    Interest in the RNC carried over into Sen. John McCain’s nomination acceptance speech Sept. 4, as 38.9 million turned out to set a political convention record for most-viewed speech ever.

    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/palin_chat_gives_abc_newscast.php

  164. The McCain-Palin campaign today announced that New Hampshire State Representative Doreen Howard, a Democratic legislator from Newmarket, has endorsed John McCain for president. Representative Howard previously supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy.

    So much for Obama’s announcement in the Primary that Hillary wouldn’t get his supporters but he would get hers. That Democratic insider who was quoted yesterday is right, Obama is an arrogant bastard.

  165. She’s sharp: Get used to it
    COMMENTARY:

    Liberals excel in blinding themselves to their own biases and hypocrisy and blaming conservatives for their own sins, all of which they are showcasing in their frantic reaction to the Sarah Palin nomination.

    Not only are they trying to destroy Mrs. Palin. They are straight-facedly denying it and accusing Republicans of manufacturing this charge to exhibit phony sympathy for women.

    Conservatives, after all, couldn’t possibly be supportive of female Sarah Palin based on merit; it’s just a political ploy to purloin Hillary voters. Liberal captives of identity politics just can’t comprehend that neither gender nor race matters to conservatives. It’s all about the candidate’s political philosophy, approach to governance and qualifications to serve – not those artificial constructs liberals have exploited through the years.

    Don’t get me wrong. Mrs. Palin’s beauty and tough-as-nails femininity are refreshing icing on a delicious cake for conservatives, but if she were not demonstrably conservative, they would be depressed – not energized.

    But you’ll never convince the liberal press, which sees everything through the lens of gender and race consciousness and indiscriminately projects that propensity onto conservatives.

    Thus, Newsweek’s Anna Quindlen is reduced to grousing about the “hypocrisy” of conservatives in honoring the Palins for bringing a baby with Down syndrome to term rather than scolding them with “pursed-lip accusations of promiscuity.”

    Conservatives, said Miss Quindlen, have “inveighed against affirmative action” yet celebrate the affirmative action that “undoubtedly played a part in” the Palin selection. And how can conservatives credibly complain about personal attacks against Mrs. Palin, when “the wingnuts of their own party elevated such attacks to a fine art by accusing Hillary Rodham Clinton of fictitious misdeeds from treason to murder”?

    Like many liberals, poor Anna can’t seem to distinguish between hating the sin and hating the sinner. Nor does she grasp the difference between government-mandated race- or gender-based preferences and the private selection of individuals for public service who happen to be in “minority” categories. She is also confused on the distinction between dozens of legitimate charges against the Clintons and the trumped-up slanders against Sarah Palin. When you’ve caught Bill Clinton red-handed in multiple felonies and Hillary in gross improprieties on which she got a complete media pass – such as the cattle futures and missing law firm billing records – who needs the more sensational allegations of treason and murder?

    But despite her best efforts, Miss Quindlen’s obtuseness doesn’t hold a candle to that of MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. On “Hardball,” Mr. Matthews derisively mocked Pat Buchanan for defending Mrs. Palin against media attacks, accusing him of “a 1950s version of chivalry,” false “sensitivity,” “political cross-dressing” and assuming the role of Dr. Phil.

    Revealing the narrowly calibrated liberal mind, Mr. Matthews wrongly assumes conservatives are cynically playing the gender card in defending Mrs. Palin and, in the process, demeaning women and hurting their cause. “This courtesy that you expect people to show her is debasing her potential as a leader of this country.”

    Nice try, Chris. But conservatives are defending Mrs. Palin not out of chivalry, but against false charges. Our invocation of gender is solely to point out liberal hypocrisy for engaging in the sexism they pretend to decry. For example, consider their condemnation of Mrs. Palin as an unfit mother for working a demanding job while having young children at home.

    Mr. Matthews, saying Mrs. Palin is ducking press scrutiny, started a bogus altercation with Mr. Buchanan over the public’s “right” to have candidates submit to “tough questions” from an “objective” journalist.

    Mr. Matthews needs shock treatments if he thinks the liberal media are objective. Would someone buy him a mirror – or tapes of his own program? Even his own bosses dumped him as convention anchor because of his overt bias. Indeed, a Rasmussen poll indicates 51 percent believe the press is trying to hurt Mrs. Palin.

    Mr. Buchanan was simply saying the candidates can make their own decisions concerning media access and pointing out that voters will be free to draw their own conclusions from those decisions.

    Liberals are accusing Mrs. Palin of avoiding the media to create the impression she has a reason to hide from them. She was just nominated, for crying out loud. Take a breath. She has already agreed to an interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, and there will be plenty more.

    But while we’re on this subject, have the media talked about Mr. Obama’s incompetence without a teleprompter or his flip-flop on agreeing to unscripted town hall meetings with Mr. McCain? Have “objective” journalists asked Joe Biden about his plagiarism or his autocratic plan to divide Iraq into three separate nations whether Iraqis like it or not? Did they ever demand to see John Kerry’s medical records?

    The more liberals mistreat Mrs. Palin and act like transparent 2-year-olds in projecting onto conservatives their own patronizing proclivities the more their true colors will be apparent. So please keep it up.

    David Limbaugh is a nationally syndicated columnist, author and lawyer.

    washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/13/shes-sharp-get-used-to-it/

  166. Analysis: Sarah Palin’s first TV interview
    Sarah Palin may have struggled with foreign policy and admitted she had never met an overseas head of state, but her supporters hailed her first major interview as evidence that she was fit to lead America.

    By Alex Spillius in Washington
    Last Updated: 8:07PM BST 12 Sep 2008

    Mrs Palin gave a three-hour interview to ABC News In her most significant media test since her shock selection as the Republican vice-presidential nominee three weeks ago, Mrs Palin gave a three-hour interview to ABC News.

    Until then Mrs Palin, who has only 20 months’ experience as governor of Alaska, had given only modified versions of a single speech on the campaign trail and refused to take questions from reporters.

    In the interview, aired over two days because of the excitement the self-style hockey mum and moose hunter has created in the White House race, Mrs Palin did not stumble seriously and according to her defenders was a victim of unbalanced questions from a typically biased media.

    Her critics said she came across like a student who had crammed her revision. Dan Gerstein, a Democratic consultant, said: “She sounded just like she was parroting back the canned, generic talking points that her handlers gave her.

    “Palin’s performance confirmed what we already know – that she is a tough, talented, and likeable politician who is totally unqualified to be vice president, particularly for a president of John McCain’s age.” Mr McCain is a 72-year-old cancer survivor.

    With her limited experience and having received her first passport this year to visit US troops overseas, foreign policy is considered the greatest potential trap for Mrs Palin, a 44-year-old mother of five.

    Norman Ornstein, a resident scholar at the Right-wing American Enterprise Institute, said that under interrogation the governor showed “a series of knowledge and logic gaps that ought to shake every foreign policy specialist, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, to his or her roots”.

    Mrs Palin’s main stagger was not having heard of the Bush Doctrine (of pre-emptive warfare), though she recovered well after interviewer Charles Gibson, a foreign affairs heavyweight, had explained.

    “I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help,” she said.

    In the second segment of the interview, she contradicted her previous view that human activity had no influence on climate change, as Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, believes.

    However at the Values Voters Summit in Washington, an annual gathering of conservative Christians and anti-abortion activists, Mrs Palin’s status as the saviour of the Right-wing was underscored, while her performance on ABC was hailed as competent and assured.

    “She was clear and careful not to promise too much when he was trying to nail her down,” said Coleen Holmes, executive director of the Eagle Forum. “But I had no worries beforehand.”

    Michele Bachmann, a Congressman from Minnesota, said: “She did very well and that’s why the Left is in fits, they don’t know how to handle her.”

    Other senior Republicans said Mr Gibson’s approach typified the institutional bias of the “liberal” media towards conservatives.

    Michael Steele, the former deputy governor of Maryland, said: “Would Charlie Gibson have shown one-tenth of the interest in asking such questions with the candidate from the other side?

    “He sat there like a prosecutor. He asked her about hubris because she took the nomination with her experience. Hubris? Hubris? I have never heard that question asked of Barack Obama.

    “Everyone feels she has to prove who she is, but she handled it very well for someone who three weeks ago was running her state. And she will get better.”

    Despite repeated investigations into her record, nothing seriously damaging to the Republican ticket has yet emerged.

    On Friday Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden released ten years’ of private financial records in a bid to embarrass Mrs Palin into doing the same.

    Reports have said that as governor she claimed £8,500 in travel expenses for 312 days spent at her home in Wasilla, which is 600 miles from the state capital Juneau. The McCain campaign said her records would be released but did not say when.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2826374/Analysis-Sarah-Palins-first-TV-interview.html

  167. From new AP poll:

    Eighty percent say McCain, with nearly three decades in Congress, has the right experience to be president. Just 46 percent say Obama, now in his fourth year in the Senate, is experienced enough. Another 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience—an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about Palin, now in her second year as governor after serving as a small-town mayor in her state.

  168. Arianna of the Huffington Post urged Obama to release his righteous rage.
    ——————————————
    I agree. He can be just like his spirtual mentor.

    Righteous?

    Rage?

    The blind leading the blind.

  169. update
    aqiting ike here in sw hou. as many of u are following a maor disaster looms. it seems more now that galveston island and the hou port. inland hurricane winds expected. media is focusingmuch on the gaveston cisis. 11 y rold killed in hou area due to tree branches being cut. firefighter trappped in burning bech bldg in glaves. trying to save him. someone has drwoned off the la coast. if makes landfall west end galveston near total loss. 0pct didnt evacuate there. 20000 still there. should storm hit where they say 22 ft surge would breach famous seawall built after 1900 hurricane. wall 17 ft. surge could easily totally flood the island. all bldgs at risk of destroyed. many persons may eprish says em. most of us in hou at least arent n the coast -waiting for th estorm expected for landfall near midnight. oil reinaries on coast may be out of service or months. keeping u posted

  170. moononpluto Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    He’s reaching out more to Hispanics than Bambi certainly is.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    My wife and I have discussed this angle before, and it might just make sense…

    Obama may not really want to WIN.

    After all, winning would entail heavy lifting for four years, maybe eight. Obama, as you’ve discovered, doesn’t like doing actual work. As Harvard Law Review President, he wrote not one paper. As an Illinois legistlator, his record was “unremarkable”. As Senator, he’s remained committed to being uncommitted, to any cause or work other than furthering his career. Ergo, extremely little work. As compared to a certain Senator from New York, who has relished rolling up her sleeves and getting immersed in Senate politics.

    So winning the nomination was “historical”, and now all he has to do is “give it his best”, cry racism when he loses, and write another book, and have a talk show that is televised from Hawaii.

    Seriously, being POTUS is not an enviable job. All that compromising, negotiating, wrangling. Nope, I don’t think he really wants all that bother.

  171. I agree with H4T……

    Filbert named liberal Republicans — from New England where they can occasionally still be found.

    McC is a western Republican — which means strong conservative views, but all the way. That means spending controls as well as low taxes, pro-life views as well as less govt interference, rather like most governors like….hmm..Ronald Reagan? Also like Barry Goldwater. They tend to say the right things about social issues — often believe what they say — but don’t do much about them. Reagan really wanted to lower spending — he just did it very badly in CA and couldn’t do it in Wash.

    Sarah Palin seems like Charles Grodin to Kevin Kline/McC in ‘Dave’. Trying to put the money where it’s needed. Maybe not, but it can’t be worse than the last 8 years.

  172. New Hampshire Democratic State Legislator Endorses McCain-Palin

    MANCHESTER, NH — The McCain-Palin campaign today announced that New Hampshire State Representative Doreen Howard, a Democratic legislator from Newmarket, has endorsed John McCain for president. Representative Howard previously supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy.

    “As a lifelong Democrat who enthusiastically backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries, I am now supporting John McCain. Like Senator Clinton, McCain values the importance of public service. Both Clinton and McCain put country first and that’s critically important,” said Howard. “John McCain and Sarah Palin are mavericks who have proven they can deliver real reform. As our nation faces challenges at home and abroad, Americans will benefit from their experience, judgment and strong leadership.”

    Elected in 2006, Representative Howard is a member of the State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs Committee. She represents Newmarket and Newfields.

    Representative Howard supported John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000.

  173. Message to Obama: SAY SOMETHING

    It is difficult to imagine a campaign reacting to events any worse than the Obama campaign in the past week. Today the announcement was that there will be a new, more aggressive tone, exemplified by some new ads. I have only seen one of the ads, but it is enough. The new “e-mail” ad is the worst thing of its kind that I have ever seen, the absolute nadir in political advertising. It is guaranteed to offend anyone over the age of 50 – among whom there are rather a lot registered voters. It is likely to irritate if not insult blue-collar workers worried about their economic futures. It is smug, condescending, and just the teensiest bit elitist. It is also silly, trivial, and distracts from any consideration of policy issues.

    The Obama camp claims to be unconcerned with recent shifts in the polls, including a 20-point shift away from Obama among white female voters. They say, for example, that recent national polls are only a blip, that it’s what goes on in the 18 battleground states that matters. Well, I’ve been watching the polls in those states, and they aren’t pretty. At this point, the GOP is even seeing substantial gains in generic match-ups at the congressional level. (Note: just today there is some indication that the Palin boost may have maxed out, at least for the moment, but it is way too soon to tell.)

    Now, I realize that the Obama campaign is getting an earful of suggestions from a variety of quarters. Here’s one more: SAY SOMETHING. Give undecided voters something substantive to chew on. Tell us all the substance of how you will be president – and something of the substantive case against John McCain.
    continue….

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-schweber/message-to-obama-say-some_b_126047.html

  174. Rassmussen Oklahoma : McCain takes 41% of Democrats.

    McCain 63%
    Obama 32%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/oklahoma/election_2008_oklahoma_presidential_election

    Not only does the GOP presidential nominee have the backing of 95% of Republicans, but 41% of Oklahoma Democrats support him, too. Fifty-five percent (55%) of Democrats favor Obama. Unaffiliated voters are nearly evenly divided over the two candidates.

  175. I hope this news this wrong

    From: “TalkTop65@…”
    To: TalkTop65@…; JKelly@…; jon.delano@…; katiehastingsomalley@…
    Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:48:02 PM
    Subject: HILLARY CLINTON TO BE NAMED AS V-P WITH OBAMA!

    We have received information from sources high in the Democratic Party that , in a total desperation move, Hillary Rodham Clinton will replace the hapless Joe Biden as V-P candidate on the Obama ticket. I will send out more information on this in several minutes. Hillary Clinton has said that Barack Obama is not qualified to be Commander-in-Chief. He hasn’t grown any more qualified presumably in the past few weeks. As the saying goes, “It took a Republican to have the Obama Dems name a woman to the ticket.”

    “Stand up! Stand up! And fight for what’s right” (John McCain)

    Dear Friends: IF ANYONE WANTS “OFF THE TROLLEY” — THAT IS TO RECEIVE NO FURTHER INFORMATION FROM ME, PLEASE JUST HIT REPLY AND PUT IN THE WORD “REMOVE.” I have sent out many thousands of communications and so far 11 people have asked to be removed.

    If any of you needs the javascript code for either NoBama Mission Bloggers or MV08 (the first McCain Group), please let me know. Also, if you need very valuable material on how to use “key words” to increase your blog traffice, ask and you shall receive.

    As I’ve said, we have the most diverse group I’ve every seen — people of all Party affiliations and political views. Yes, Barack Obama “brought us together” — but with a mission focused on defeating him. Receiving this e-mail are several observant Jews (Sammy, David, and others), a number of Roman Catholics, born-again Christians, and at least one Wiccan, as well as people of no religious attachment. The individuals who aren’t receiving this are “Obama Democrats,” a category consisting of elitists who generally scorn people like the ones I’ve mentioned.

    Many (many, many) Clinton Democrats are working on this effort to ensure a McCain-Palin victory. They are NOT “Obama Democrats.” In most cases, they’re deeply embarrassed by the cynics who have hijacked one of America’s great political parties.

    The Democrats solidly behind John and Sarah are the people you see on the Nobama Mission blogroll, with blog names often containing the name “Hillary,” or something like “Blue Dog Democrats” or “Democrats for McCain.”

    They recognize that a John F. Kennedy (who said in 1960 that we Americans will “bear any burden, pay any price to ensure the survival of liberty” and that we should value country over self) would have been booed off the stage in Denver by Obama Democrats.

    One Democrat for McCain, Sharon, leader of a huge Yahoo Group, has been trying to “convert” men and women who are basically Obama Democrats. I told her that such people are among “the legion of the lost.” and that it may be wiser to spend her time reaching out to people who had not consumed the “Obama Kool-Aid.”

    She was especially concerned by some far-left types who seemed to hate Gov. Sarah Palin — often because of her religious beliefs or her cultural attachments to the state she governs. Here’s what I said about them.

    “People who ‘don’t like’ Sarah Palin are generally people who don’t like the fact that America is an extremely diverse country. They can’t stand people — especially women — who aren’t . . . just like them. The goal of government in America is to empower people so as to help make them (us) stronger, more self-sufficient, and better off — more capable of assuming responsibility for our lives. The government doesn’t do it — how on earth would it with no real sources of revenue other than the ones we provide? The people do it, or they don’t. Sharon, some of your friends like Barack H. Obama because he promises to pay them off (with what and from whom?) for their votes. The people Sarah represents are ones who would not starve to death if the local Whole Foods or Krogers closed. In fact, they’re the ones who produce the foods available in Whole Foods. When the vast majority of people can’t basically take care of themselves, they sure as ‘heck’ can’t take care of others. Barack forgot that little detail. Sarah didn’t . . . and won’t. She is tough, and they are weak. She will win, and they will lose.”

    Insofar as those of you receiving this reach out — face-to-face, by email, and by phone — to friends and family in support of McCain-Palin, you help to ensure victory on Nov. 4. Thanks to all of you for standing up for the country we all love.

    steve maloney
    ambridge, pa

    Campaign Victory
    Hillary Supporters 4 McCain

  176. and it begins. NH Dem legislator endorses McCain

    ace.mu.nu/archives/273306.php

    The McCain-Palin campaign today announced that New Hampshire State Representative Doreen Howard, a Democratic legislator from Newmarket, has endorsed John McCain for president. Representative Howard previously supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy. “As a lifelong Democrat who enthusiastically backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries, I am now supporting John McCain. Like Senator Clinton, McCain values the importance of public service. Both Clinton and McCain put country first and that’s critically important,” said Howard. “John McCain and Sarah Palin are mavericks who have proven they can deliver…

  177. Sorry but If Hillary replaces Biden, Bambi is finished dead in the water. It will shoot all credibility to pieces.

  178. Cindy and John McCain on ABC’s “The View.” Cindy dodges Barbara Walters question on how many houses they have
    By Lynn Sweet on September 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Permalink | Comments (40)
    WASHINGTON–Cindy McCain just joined the ladies on ABC’s “The View,” sitting next to John McCain, who came on first. Asked about issues they disagree on–besides the tv remote control, Cindy said they see “eye to eye” on most things.

    Barbara Walters, asking about abortion, said she does allow for exceptions for rape and incest–making her at odds with McCain vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

    The show just ended. Walters, angling for a Palin visit to “The View,” told McCain to pass on the message to Palin about how nice they were.

    McCain is saying he will work with Hillary Rodham Clinton because “she will be one of the most influential and powerful members of the Senate.”

    The Friday Washington Post featured a front page story drilling down on Cindy’s legal problems stemming from her addiction to prescription drugs.

    Walters is asking how many houses they have. McCain got in big trouble when Politico reporters asked him and he said he did not know. Cindy reply to Walters: “that is not part of this campaign.”

    blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/09/cindy_and_john_mccain_on_abcs.html
    *****************************************************
    read the comment section….Barbara lost some viewers.

  179. T4H, my folks and sister and her family are still in Houston. Spoke with all of them today. It’s going to be bad. Really bad. Mom and dad said that they’ve evacuated everyone from 45 up to the Beltway. They’d evacuate North of there, but no shelters are open and they are afraid of having that many of hundreds of thousands stranded on the roads.

    I recall Alicia in ’83. We were lucky. Some missing shingles, a bit of glass and debris. No power for 3 days that time. We were in Alief then. Then a few years later it looked like we’d lose everything in Clear Lake when Gilbert came close. Luckily for us, it went West and went into Mexico. Had it hit with those projected 32′ surges, we would have literally lost everything as we lived on the water just 2 miles East of Johnson Space Center.

    I remember hurricanes when we were in FL. Usually nothing too bad, but this time, I have a bad feeling. Inland flooding will be horrendous. The last time there was a semi-major hurricane in the area may have been ’89 with Chantal going in at High Island. I spent a bit of time there as a kid and at Crystal Beach the site of those air evacuations today. I have to say I’m a bit incredulous so many haven’t left. I saw where 37K were stranded at Bolivar. Seriously. WTF!?! They should have been out yesterday/last night. Staying this long or trying to ride it out with a storm surge over 10-12 feet is stupid. Just literally f-ing stupid.

    My sister’s neighborhood will flood, but her house is on a high lot. My mom may get some flooding. My dad probably will not, but he’ll be a dumbass I’m sure and go to help my sister and get stranded in his truck. LOL.

    Anyhow, hope you and yours stay safely out of harm’s way. BTW- did you at least tape your windows?

  180. In all of his campaigning for the Presidential nomination and election thus far, Obama has shown no capacity for conceptualizing any of the leading real issues of these times, neither the real issues of the economy and global strategy, nor the issues confronting our citizens in their local communities and homes. The bitterness which the Obama campaign engendered for itself in the role of Rohatyn’s and George Soros’s “patsy,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi, against Senator Hillary Clinton, has created a gulf of bitterness against both Obama and Pelosi which is not going away during the remaining months of this year, or, probably, for years to come.

    The difference is, that the Democratic Party has been the reigning incumbent in the U.S. Congress, and the Republicans have not conducted the intrinsically ruinous kind of fratricide which the backers of Obama unleashed against the pre-candidate with the largest popular vote in the primary elections. What was done, putatively on behalf of Senator Obama’s campaign, has been an act of political fratricide which, according to the evidence currently in hand, has discredited, and ruined the Democratic Party for both the Presidential and Congressional campaigns.

  181. If Obama has not convinced the majority that he is experienced enough to be the president, then he needs to step down to the vp position and Hillary (the true winner of the primaries) needs to be placed at the top of the ticket. Anything less is going to look like a bandaid solution.

    As well, if Hillary does take the vp position and they squeak by with a win in November, everyone will think that she is running the show and making all the decisions.

    LOL…M.O. must be freaking out big time!

  182. Oh, and I forgot. Mom said lots of stories about folks who can’t afford to get out. No gas money or money for hotels. Down in Freeport, there are lots of folks stranded. Never rec’d word on evacuations or given access to those buses. Lot of poor people up and down the Texas Gulf Coast. If there’s a loss of life count on some of it being because they were too poor to get out.

  183. Jan, you’re pleas are falling on deaf ears. Dumbass is the Dem nominee. Hillary is out of this save helping the party and down ticket Dems Dumbass hurts.

    Just admit it to yourself. Let it go. It’ll be okay….

    In November 2012.

  184. “an act of political fratricide which, according to the evidence currently in hand, has discredited, and ruined the Democratic Party for both the Presidential and Congressional campaigns.”

    wbboei,

    Amen! I read your comments religiously because they put everything into the right context so well!

  185. OkieAtty Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
    ——————————————–

    We will pray for them OkieAtty. Been quite a year hasn’t it?

  186. I just heard on CNN that BIden has released his tax returns today. Is this what they are going to use to get rid of him, or what. Are we sure that they are taking out Biden and giving it to Hillary??

  187. My family will be fine, I am sure. This ain’t their first rodeo, but I worry for a lot of the Hispanic and Latino population that live in SE Houston and towards Pasadena. They are very poor in those areas and though they have good leadership, it is hard to communicate to all of them and get them to leave the safety of their homes. They worry about INS, they have little money and transportation. How many will not evacuate on state buses for fear of being found by INS???

    And what of the elderly? There are lots of elderly in the Southern parts of the city and near the coast.

    These are the folks we should worry about.

  188. Con, Biden released his tax returns to put pressure on Palin.

    Stop reading more into it than it is. He’s not dropping out.

    (Wbboei, ever notice the Internet breeds some of the dumbest rumors? 🙂 )

  189. The downticket dems hillary will be working to save are the ones who supported her. The ones who supported Bambi can go to Hell and sit around sipping mint juleps with Pumpkin Head russert. His case was on the docket before St. Peter and he pleaded guility so down the elevator shaft he went and will spend the rest of eternity watching reruns of MTP where Hillary outsmarted his dumb ass.. yes, yes I know de moritmums nil nis bonum but I would rather can an asshole what he is. Maybe the devil can do a few attack interviews on him a few ambushes just for fun.

  190. (Screwed up with the spam filter… so this may double-post.)

    Sarah Palin Says Barack Obama Might Regret Not Picking Hillary Clinton
    John McCain’s Vice Presidential Candidate Talks With Charles Gibson in Exclusive Interview
    By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
    Sept. 12, 2008

    Gov. Sarah Palin says Sen. Barack Obama just might regret not picking Sen. Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

    In an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Charles Gibson, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says Barack Obama may regret not picking Sen. Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

    “I think he’s regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way — she handled those well,” the Alaska governor told Charles Gibson in her third and final exclusive interview with ABC News.

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5791068&page=1

  191. confloyd,

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if that wasn’t a part of the reason she didn’t go. On the other hand, she isn’t “proud” of her country except for the fact that they might crown her husband so maybe she listened to the Reverend and said a few “god damns” and left it at that.

  192. Con- just in case- not implying you are stupid. Just the other sites have some really dumb rumors. Like FI, Bristol’s unborn baby is a black man’s. Or that Track is a druggie who’s escaping prison by going in the military. They say Palin’s dropping out, Biden is dropping out, Hillary has a hit on Dumbass so she can be the nominee….

    Weed out the static.

  193. wbboei,
    I love reading your posts, too. i always feel so intelligent when I can understand them. LOL

    On Drudge, a developing story that Henry Reid referred to McCain as PREZ!!!!!
    WTF are the dems smoking?

    Henry,
    I heard excerpt from the View on talk radio. Walters was despicable and Whoopi -do-you-want-us-to-be-
    slaves Goldbergi s a racist just like Oprah. I never did watch any of those shows but sounds like
    they’re going down the drain with the rest of the libs.

  194. LOL…we somebody needs to start a rumor that Obama is dropping out! LOL…it would make my day to see the obamabots freak out over that.

  195. As for MO- she didn’t go bc she really should be kept away from the press. Her polling sucks and she doesn’t do well with anger or being frank about what she thinks.

    Plus, let’s face it. Those kids have been dragged all over for long enough. MO can’t help the ticket any more than she has, and why waste the jet fuel when they’ll lose anyhow in November?

  196. OkieAtty,

    You are right about M.O., except that with Cindy McCain being by her husband’s side, it really says an awful lot.

  197. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Krauthammer nails this one (actually a surprise he nails anything….where’s Idunn when I need her?)

    Obama’s Altitude Sickness
    By Charles Krauthammer

    WASHINGTON — The Democrats are in a panic. In a presidential race that is impossible to lose, they are behind. Obama devotees are frantically giving advice. Tom Friedman tells him to “start slamming down some phones.” Camille Paglia suggests, “be boring!”

    Meanwhile, a posse of Democratic lawyers, mainstream reporters, lefty bloggers and various other Obamaphiles are scouring the vast tundra of Alaska for something, anything, to bring down Sarah Palin: her daughter’s pregnancy, her ex-brother-in-law problem, her $60 per diem, and now her religion. (CNN reports — news flash! — that she apparently has never spoken in tongues.) Not since Henry II asked if no one would rid him of his turbulent priest, have so many so urgently volunteered for duty.

    But Palin is not just a problem for Obama. She is also a symptom of what ails him. Before Palin, Obama was the ultimate celebrity candidate. For no presidential nominee in living memory had the gap between adulation and achievement been so great. Which is why McCain’s Paris Hilton ads struck such a nerve. Obama’s meteoric rise was based not on issues — there was not a dime’s worth of difference between him and Hillary on issues — but on narrative, on eloquence, on charisma.

    The unease at the Denver convention, the feeling of buyer’s remorse, was the Democrats’ realization that the arc of Obama’s celebrity had peaked — and had now entered a period of its steepest decline. That Palin could so instantly steal the celebrity spotlight is a reflection of that decline.

    It was inevitable. Obama had managed to stay aloft for four full years. But no one can levitate forever.

    Five speeches map Obama’s trajectory.

    Obama burst into celebrityhood with his brilliant and moving 2004 Democratic convention speech (#1). It turned an obscure state senator into a national figure and legitimate presidential candidate.

    His next and highest moment (#2) was the night of his Iowa caucus victory when he gave an equally stirring speech of the highest tones that dazzled a national audience just tuning in.

    The problem is that Obama began believing in his own magical powers — the chants, the swoons, the “we are the ones” self-infatuation. Like Ronald Reagan, he was leading a movement, but one entirely driven by personality. Reagan’s revolution was rooted in concrete political ideas (supply-side economics, welfare-state deregulation, national strength) that transcended one man. For Obama’s movement, the man is the transcendence.

    Which gave the Obama campaign a cult-like tinge. With every primary and every repetition of the high-flown, self-referential rhetoric, the campaign’s insubstantiality became clear. By the time it was repeated yet again on the night of the last primary (#3), the tropes were tired and flat. To top himself, Obama had to reach. Hence his triumphal declaration that history would note that night, his victory, his ascension, as “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    Clang. But Obama heard only the cheers of the invited crowd. Not yet seeing how the pseudo-messianism was wearing thin, he did Berlin (#4) and finally jumped the shark. That grandiloquent proclamation of universalist puffery popped the bubble. The grandiosity had become bizarre.

    From there it was but a short step to Paris Hilton. Finally, the Obama people understood. Which is why the next data point (#5) is so different. Obama’s Denver acceptance speech was deliberately pedestrian, State-of-the-Union-ish, programmatic and only briefly (that lovely coda recalling the March on Washington) lyrical.

    The problem, however, was that Obama had announced the Invesco Field setting for the speech during the pre-Berlin flush of hubris. They were stuck with the Greek columns, the circus atmosphere, the rock star fireworks farewell — as opposed to the warmer, traditional, balloon-filled convention-hall hug-a-thon. The incongruity between text and context was apparent. Obama was trying to make himself ordinary — and serious — but could hardly remember how.

    One star fades, another is born. The very next morning McCain picks Sarah Palin and a new celebrity is launched. And in the celebrity game, novelty is trump. With her narrative, her persona, her charisma carrying the McCain campaign to places it has never been and by all logic has no right to be, she’s pulling an Obama.

    But her job is easier. She only has to remain airborne for seven more weeks. Obama maintained altitude for an astonishing four years. In politics, as in all games, however, it’s the finish that counts.
    letters@charleskrauthammer.com

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obamas_fading_celebrity.html

  198. Hinderaker, that tool, cuts off Howie Kurtz’s nuts:

    The Press: Mad As Hell, and Not Going to Take It Any More

    Howard Kurtz’s column in the Washington Post is surprisingly blunt and surprisingly revealing. The mainstream media, Kurtz says, are mad. Their anger, though, is oddly unidirectional:

    The media are getting mad.

    Whether it’s the latest back-and-forth over attack ads, the silly lipstick flap or the continuing debate over Sarah and sexism, you can just feel the tension level rising several notches.

    Maybe it’s a sense that this is crunch time, that the election is on the line, that the press is being manipulated (not that there’s anything new about that).

    There certainly isn’t. Barack Obama has been manipulating the press for years. His manipulation didn’t make the media mad, though, because reporters were willing accomplices who have been trying to get Obama elected. It’s the thought that John McCain could be manipulating them that has the media seeing red:

    News outlets are increasingly challenging false or questionable claims by the McCain campaign, whether it’s the ad accusing Obama of supporting sex-ed for kindergartners (the Illinois legislation clearly describes “age-appropriate” programs) or Palin’s repeated boast that she stopped the Bridge to Nowhere (after she had supported it, and after Congress had effectively killed the specific earmark).

    But the two examples Kurtz cites are ads that are indisputably true. Obama did support sex education down to kindergarten. Kurtz thinks that’s OK, because the sex education for five-year-olds would be “age appropriate.” He’s entitled to that opinion, but my opinion, and that of most voters, is that any sex education for kindergartners is a terrible idea. In any event, whether you think teaching five-year-olds about sex is a good idea or a bad idea, the ad is true.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021484.php

  199. This is a goody about Dumbass should have chosen Hillary and is now being outclassed by a likeable guy.

    In Hindsight, Hillary Looks Good as a Running Mate
    By Marianne Means

    It comes down to the self-declared independents, who now for the first time break narrowly for McCain. The score is 50 percent for McCain to 43 for Obama, not such a big margin but a revolution in the speed-dial political campaigns of today.

    Wow! Clearly, Obama has been making major mistakes, the first of which was to reject Hillary. The over-the-top “I’m the Messiah” stuff and the grandiose backdrops haven’t sold well either, except with impressionable liberal college kids.

    The basic Obama pitch that he could bring the country together simply by the strength of his oratory is in tatters.The McCain campaign has been doing much better, with less to work with. In fact, it has been a miracle of repositioning and risk-taking and smiles, smiles, smiles. And, it is fair to add, a lot of exaggerations, misleading comments and outright fibs.

    Clever quips have helped, too. In spite of everything, McCain’s hard not to like. It is really the McCain personality, above all, that could rescue a campaign that shouldn’t win in a political climate so dire. With the help of an unusual, unexpected and untested woman at his side, of course.

  200. The cultural war between Dems and Republicans as explained to Europeans who don’t get why Dumbass will probably lose.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4735295.ece

    (I agree with this author that this campaign is somewhat about universality vs. independence in context of the world community. It’s a completely different take than the common line on this election and I think it explains the Palin phenomenon better than anything else- exactly why people get her and don’t get Mr. Smarty Pants.)

  201. WTF, this is stunning, simply stuning

    Marist poll of New Jersey:

    Lik Voters : Obama/Biden 48%, McPalin 45% (LV)
    Reg Voter : Obama/Biden 47%, McPalin 40% (RV)

    Jesus NJ shouldnt even be in play.

    Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama Leads Republican Opponent John McCain by 7 Percentage Points in New Jersey: With 15 electoral votes up for grabs in New Jersey, 47% of registered voters in the state say they support Senator Barack Obama for president while 40% say they back Senator John McCain. That’s the same margin in New Jersey with which former Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry beat President George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. However, Obama’s lead shrinks when looking at likely voters, including those who are leaning toward a specific candidate. 48% of likely voters support Obama while 45% are behind McCain. So, how does support break down along party lines among likely voters? 83% of likely Democratic voters say they support their party’s candidate, Barack Obama, while 87% of likely Republican voters back John McCain. And, among New Jersey’s all-important likely Independent voters, including those leaning toward a candidate, 51% support Barack Obama compared with 41% for McCain.

  202. abigrltx:

    Same here….I would only vote if Hillary is on top of the ticket…

    having said that, leaving 2 senators may still be a handicap…senators do not have executive experience.

  203. t4h,

    it looks so scary and dangerous. I pray that everyone stays safe and that the power, if it does go out, will be just for a short time.

    I know you are not directly in its path, but as you said, so many will be pouring into your area.

  204. Later, y’all. Time to get out of the office. I’m in trouble with hubby for not leaving early to go drinking with our intern who just passed the bar exam. (Sometimes I am dense….)

  205. Okieatty, no I did not take your comment to mean that I was ignorant. I am just skimming the posts as I am watching the news on the Hurricane.

    I haven’t been paying attention to politics much since I left for Houston for a job. I am however at home although the hospital did not want me to go. I have a sick husband and 86 year old dad I can’t leave to go thru the storm by themselves. We are inland but the storm is expected to pass thru here. Tornadoes are bad when they do. MY family comes first. I already been down that road of giving your life to the hospital and then they stomp on you when they feel like it.

  206. It makes me sick to see so many meatheads deserting Hillary and wishing that she should denounce Obama and go negative full blast.You are three bubbles off center if you believe that the clintons are not aware of the traps being set by the great one and yhe likes of McCaskill and her jealous and ambitious followers of the king of racial politics. If she does not get the nomination by the exposure of BHO’s background and evil mentors and he has to step down she still maintains her support of her fellow senators for her clear cut loyalty to the party.That means she has a good shot of being the new majority leader and then watch her show her talents,skills,power and superior management of the new democratic senate.This should put her out in front for 2012 and the first woman president and also americans will be able to look back and see what we lost when we allowed Obama and the MSM to deprive her of the post she has earned like no other before her.HILLARY I will not foresake and you give me the daily strengh to go on fighting for you as long as I live.You have been an idol for my late wife and me since your days in Arkansas.You are both an inspiration for me to see justice restored to you Bill and Chelsea and reward you for your unselfish service to America.

    By ABM90

  207. Okie,
    LMAO at this;
    ‘Obama had managed to stay aloft for four full years. But no one can levitate forever.’

    But did BO REALLY say this???????
    “Hence his triumphal declaration that history would note that night, his victory, his ascension, as “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
    C’meon!

  208. Yes. BO not only said it, but it’s the centerpiece in the classic McCain attack ad “The One”. The ad shows Obama delivering that line in his speech and then cuts to Charlton Heston as Moses parting the seasn.

  209. Moonpluto,
    I am not surprised that NJ is tilting McCain.
    I lived there for more years than I care to recall and except for the cities, which are mostly in shambles and thoroughly ghettoized, the rest of the state is republican.

    Bo will probably take Hudson County and a couple of north eastern counties but the rest will go repub.
    OTOH, Hudson County (directly across from Manhattan) now has the largest community of Cubans outside Florida so that may not go BO, either.

  210. JEEEEEZZZZZ!

    I never can listen to Bo so I’m not aware of what he says. Whatever it is I know i don’t wanna hear it but . . but that is STUNNING!

  211. ABM90,
    “You are three bubbles off center if you believe that the clintons are not aware of the traps being set by the great one>”

    Good point.

    I also like you opinion that HRC would have a shot at Semate majority leader.
    BTW, anyone know how one gets that position?
    Is it by vote?

  212. joke time but you could see it happening, i did laugh……

    Obama introduced Biden at the Baton Rouge Leprosy Hospital yesterday with:

    “Put your hands together for Joe Biden!”

    Then they moved on to the Deaf Mute retirement village in Des Moines:

    “Let’s hear it for Joe Biden, the next Vice President of the United States!”

    Idle, perhaps tomorrow addressing the L A Sex Addicts Convention

    “Friends, give it up for Joe Biden!”

    and the day after, greeting the Space Heater engineers in Chicago

    “Please give a warm welcome to Joe Biden!”

    but i’m hoping for

    at the Guns r’Us convention.

    “Ladies and Gentlemen, Here’s Joe Biden – shoot the fucker.”

  213. hmmmmm…..
    I know this rumor has been dismissed here but this is yet another article about Biden stepping down. I still feel sorry for Joe but I don’t want HRC taking his place. Tying herself to the masthead of a sinking ship really would be the last nail in her coffin, IMHO.

    From Canadian Free press
    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4978

  214. Moon: You crack me up.

    Re: Ike and Galvelston. Awhile back, there was a program on the History Channel about the hurricaine that hit the island in 1900. It was completely devastating, and after that, is when the storm surge wall was built. Now, according to some accounts, the surge of water may eclipse that. How horrendous for the people that were not able to get out. It is beyond my comprehension.

  215. basil, i think its all speculation to seriously damage bambi’s reputation, its puts them on defense.

    Its working whoever is putting it about because the dems are having to defend this all over the place.

  216. BTW, anyone know how one gets that position?
    Is it by vote?
    *********
    *********
    The majority and minority leaders are elected by their Senate Party conferences.

  217. They just come to me, i dont know why, Obama has my juices flowing, in a comical way.

    Obama’s like shooting a moose with an air to air missile, no fuckin chance you’s miss.

  218. basil, that article is bogus. For one thing, they say negotiations between BILL and Obama. Bullshit. Hillary handles her own business, thanks – if it were true the negotiations would be with her, not with BILL.

    Just another Bambi planted story to try to prop up his sinking poll numbers.

  219. ooh look at a little poll i found hidden away on Survey USA. This is very good news for McCain and not for Obama.

    A poll they did of Cinncinnati area on Sept 9th

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=582ed38d-f5f0-4d3f-be7e-cae9962a0e9c

    Do you think John McCain does? Or does not? Have the experience to be President?

    Does 68%
    Does not 27%

    Do you think Barack Obama does? Or does not? Have the experience to be President?

    Does 33%
    Does not 64%

    If you were placing a bet today, would you bet that Barack Obama will be elected president? Or, John McCain will be elected president?

    Obama 40%
    McCain 54%

  220. The Obama campaign is beyond desperate. A friend who teaches fourth grade told me today that some of her students came to school wearing “Obama Is Our Savior” buttons.

  221. I wonder if all these “Hillary will replace Biden rumors” are an attempt at stopping the exodus — trying to keep a false hope alive for some that maybe they will bring her back in.

  222. Using kids as political props sucks. You should not have your kids wearing buttons. Period.

    anyone else watch the interview excerpts just now on ABC? I think she kicked ass. nice smirk when she said she bet Dumbass wished he had picked Hillary now. teehee.

    Also did well on pointing out personal views don’t always align with administration’s goals and that she wants more emphasis on adoption and prevention. Roe worriers can chill now.

  223. Here is a brief clip of Gibson and Gov. Palin. During the clip, Palin is very complimentary of Hillary. Palin is getting inside Bo’s head. hehehehehehehe

    Perhaps, Admin can embed:

    abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5791089

  224. # moononpluto Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Thats downright blasphemous. Why is no one pulling them on this shit.
    ***********
    ***********
    Probably for the same reason that, when she reported to the vice-principle that she had been verbally threatened by a parent, it was her fault because she didn’t understand “African Culture.” The Obama campaign has really opened a lot of wounds.

  225. corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=

    Seem Obama did not think through his ad mocking mcCains technology.

    ” The reason he doesn’t send email is that he can’t use a keyboard because of the relentless beatings he received from the Viet Cong in service to our country. From the Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):It transpires that “McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes”.

    Now I wonder why he’s never sent an email.

  226. The Hillary-replacing-Biden rumor isn’t coming from BO. Why raise expectations for something that’s not going to happen?

  227. Hi, Hillfriends: Take care, Hill4Tex and texan4hill and confloyd in that bad weather – sorry if I missed anyone.

    Here is an article from a Springfield, IL insider that you might find interesting – I’ll post the article – but especially note the comments at the link.

    * * * * *
    A great idea: Force Barack’s hand – And an explanation

    Friday, Sep 12, 2008

    * The Sun-Times tried to get one of our two US Senators to answer a simple question about the raging Statehouse battle over ethics reform. The result? Obama’s campaign clammed up…

    While Barack Obama left an imprint on two major ethics packages as a state senator, he ducked a plea Thursday to use his influence to safeguard landmark state legislation barring big government contractors from making campaign contributions. […]

    “As a presidential candidate, this is small potatoes. But as Illinois’ U.S. senator, this is a place he could come in and quickly clean up some of the damage and serve his state,” said Cindi Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, which has pushed for the donation restrictions for three years. […]

    “A 30-second phone call to the Illinois Senate president could yield huge dividends to this state,” [Canary] said. […]

    Obama’s campaign refused to tell the Sun-Times whether the senator supports either version. And a spokesman ducked questions on whether Obama would speak with Jones, as Canary suggested. […]

    “[Obama] encourages the Illinois General Assembly and Gov. Blagojevich to further those reforms by passing strong ethics legislation this session that limits the influence of money in the political process,” [Obama campaign spokesman Justin DeJong] said.

    DeJong declined to clarify which “reforms” Obama would like to see carried out in Springfield: the original bill his former good-government ally wants or Blagojevich’s more sweeping approach that some critics believe was designed to kill the whole package entirely. […]

    “If he’s the reformer he says he is, why would he not encourage cleaning up his home state, which is one of the most corrupt at this point in the United States?” said Sen. Christine Radogno (R-Lemont). “He has an opportunity to really put some action behind his words, and he won’t do it.

    Canary and Radogno are absolutely right.

    Gov. Palin said something at the Republican convention about how some had used the cause of reform to further their career, while John McCain had used his career to further the cause of reform. Obama can prove he can walk the walk by intervening in this fight.

    Pick up the phone, Barack!

    …Adding… Putting Obama on the spot like this is a classic move from the Saul Alinsky playbook. My favorite Alinsky story: A group of people wanted to pry something loose from the local power elite, so they bought a bunch of tickets to the opera (I think it was the opera) and scheduled a bean-eating party beforehand. They got their meeting.

    Since Obama is a former community organizer in the Alinsky tradition, he probably used that tactic many times.

    It’s pretty similar to this…

    State Sen. James Meeks (D-Chicago) on Friday pressured business leaders who have bankrolled Chicago’s 2016 Olympic bid to put their money and political muscle behind a more important cause: improving public schools.

    Meeks showed up at a breakfast meeting of the Executives’ Club of Chicago—not to confront featured speaker and Chicago 2016 Chairman Pat Ryan, but to enlist Ryan’s help in the battle to correct the school funding disparity between rich and poor districts.

    – posted by Rich Miller

    h t t p : / / thecapitolfaxblog.com/2008/09/12/a-great-idea/

  228. SHV, AMB90- Hillary doesn’t want to be majority leader. No way, no how. you become a lightening bolt for mucho crap. you also never go any higher. if she did become ML, that means she’s given up on being POTUS. Better to avoid that trap….

  229. Remember, when we saw a “Kids for Obama” on his website? How to have a party, etc? I wonder, if the buttons are coming from the campaign? Totally inappropriate to use children as political marketing tools.

  230. AP poll: Obama losing on experience to …well………… Sarah Palin

    I’m pissing myself laughing.

    hotair.com/archives/2008/09/12/ap-poll-obama-losing-on-experience-to-sarah-palin/

    The poll suggests that perceived inexperience is more of a problem at the top of the Democratic ticket than in the No. 2 spot for Republicans.

    Eighty percent say McCain, with nearly three decades in Congress, has the right experience to be president. Just 46 percent say Obama, now in his fourth year in the Senate, is experienced enough.

    Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience — an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor.

    Hey, thanks for making experience an even bigger issue than before, Senator Obama! After the first shrieks of “untested” went out about Palin, the Democratic offensive got everyone wondering about the credentials of the top of the Democratic ticket. Result? Epic fail. More people believe Obama lacks enough experience for the job than believe him suitably prepared.

  231. # OkieAtty Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    SHV, AMB90- Hillary doesn’t want to be majority leader. No way, no how. you become a lightening bolt for mucho crap. you also never go any higher. if she did become ML, that means she’s given up on being POTUS. Better to avoid that trap….
    ***********
    ***********
    I agree..that is why I don’t understand why Heidi Li is so gung ho on the idea. Looking at the list of Senate leaders, it seems that it was a stepping stone to VP nomination. LBJ was the only one who made it to the top. Since LBJ, it is a dead end job, politically.

  232. moononpluto Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Seem Obama did not think through his ad mocking mcCains technology.

    * * * * *
    OMG! The Children of the Corn strike again. Besides being completely off-putting to seniors and many people who still don’t embrace the 2.0 world, if the article moon cited is 100% medically accurate, this may be the true beginning of the end of Stinky. NO ONE will elect such a foolish, insensitive, self-serving creep… in other words, the BO we’ve known for a long time.

    When Hillary wept a little in New Hampshire, this was what she was thinking of. No real chance at health care, no corporate oversights, no one fighting for the middle class, less green economy. And, to a great extent, the utter destruction of the great party of FDR. She already saw many moves ahead on the chess board.

  233. moononpluto Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=

    Seem Obama did not think through his ad mocking mcCains technology.
    —————————

    Wow! who is running that idiotic campaign for Princess Obama?

  234. I hope someone fires back, well the reason would be that they beat Sen McCain so brutally that he doesnt have the luxury of typing on a keyboard

  235. filbertsf Says:
    kostner, wasn’t Gregoire an HRC supporter?
    =========

    Grigoire came out for Obama when it mattered — May iirc.

  236. Palin ‘governed from the center,’ went after big oil

    ANCHORAGE — Weeks after taking office as Alaska’s governor in December 2006, Sarah Palin vetoed a bill that sought to ban benefits for the same-sex partners of state workers. It was unconstitutional, she said.
    This year, she rebuffed religious conservatives who wanted her to add two abortion restriction measures to a special legislative session on oil and gas policy, even though she supported the bills. Former aide Larry Persily said she didn’t want to risk offending Democrats, whose votes she needed on energy legislation.

    POLITICS BLOG: Palin interview
    POLL: Huge effect of Palin pick cuts both ways
    INTERVIEW: Palin says she’ll prod McCain on drilling in Alaska wilderness

    Since Republican presidential candidate John McCain picked Palin as his running mate, much attention has been focused on her deeply conservative social views — including her opposition to abortion even in cases of rape and incest and her attendance at a church that promotes the “transformation” of homosexuals through prayer.

    POLITICS BLOG: More of the latest on Palin
    MORE BLOG: New ads from the campaigns

    But in her 21 months as governor, Palin has taken few steps to advance culturally conservative causes. Instead, after she knocked off an incumbent amid an influence-peddling scandal linked to the oil industry, Palin pursued a populist agenda that toughened ethics rules and raised taxes on oil and gas companies.

    And she did so while relying on Democratic votes in the Legislature.

    “She has governed from the center,” says Rebecca Braun, author of Alaska Budget Report, a non-partisan political newsletter. “She has in some small ways supported her religious views — for example, proposing money to continue the office of faith-based and community initiatives — but she has actually been conspicuously absent on social issues. She came in with a big oil and gas agenda, which really required Democratic allies to get through.”

    John Bitney, who was Palin’s issues adviser during the 2006 campaign and later worked as her legislative liaison before she fired him, says, “She’s a very devout Christian. That’s a part of her core. But we never put those issues forward in the campaign. She takes the positions she takes because that’s who she is, but when she came into office, that wasn’t her agenda.”

    rest of article at:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm

  237. McCain campaign should calmly do a press release on why he can’t use a keyboard. That will be a lot of eggs on Obama’s face.

  238. Heidi Li is the same idiot that posted on her blog about the secret 300 delegate petition. I was contacted by some delegates to try and get her to remove her post and shut up. I emailed her directly to no avail. She’s just honking her own horn. Dumbass.

  239. Gregoire is now in big trouble, theres a huge hullaballoo blowing up in Washington that could bring her down.

    Not only is there the indian casino contributions and that dodgy contract.

    Gregoire is currently personally doing union negotiations with the very unions she is taking money from for her re-election. The local people and senate are going nuts.

  240. Let’s get real here. The Democratic Senators who just stabbed Hillary Clinton in the back are not going to vote for her to have power over their committee assighments.

    I really don’t think you guys fully understand Hillary’s position in the party. I expect Harry Reid to strip her of her committee assignments.

  241. Okie, can you say more? Why was the petition a bad idea? {I have my own views about the roll call now — in hindsight, it was probably not the smartest idea knowing how crooked the Obama minions were.}

  242. I do believe this Hurricane Ike is trying to push the whole Gulf of Mexico into the coast. It is getting freaking scary! They say it will still be a Category 1 when it gets to me near Lufkin. Those poor folk in Pasadena, LaMarque, and Webster. I understand even in Corpus Christi the tide is very high.

  243. Seriously, tell me if I’m wrong but surely, you cannot take huge campaign contributions from a union and then sit down with that same union and personally negotiate state contracts.

  244. OkieAtty thank you for your comment.I too have considered the risk of being the MLbut I just feel that she must not give up and leave the senate.I do not believe she would but if she does become ML she would be the most outstanding in many years and a woman that will change the atmosphere of fear and destruction for any woman that dares to challange ” The good ole boy’s stranglehold on our political system.She has cracked the glass ceiling and I now want her to pulverise the the pieces and feed it to the cradle to grave leeches even within her own party.
    that have turned their backs on her and her family.I admit that I am desparate and I want to be able to see her sworn in as POTUS.Love your posts and wisdom.Missed them for a while.

    By ABM90

  245. filbertsf Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    McCain is not a centrist, nor is he a neo-con. He is an old-fashioned Libertarian-leaning western Repub, but one who is sensible enough to work with both the right wingers and the left wingers.

    H4T, with all due to you, that statement is not true. McCain’s voting record suggests he is a conservative Republican with sprinkles of disagreement here

    ===================

    I’m no expert on modern Republicans, but there’s a lot of difference between Goldwater (a western Libertarian type) and the Bush/Reagan ‘social conservative’ types. I think Goldwater was even for a balanced budget and savng money. (He used to say that as a ‘conservative’ waht he wanted to conserve was gold and water.)

    So htere is , or was, a category ‘western Libertarian’ for McCain to fit into, should he have chosen to accept it.

  246. Who is this Gregoire, who is this person trying to bring down?? Please for us dense people tell us the whole story!

  247. SHV,
    I have lots of similar war stories from when I taught in urban schools.
    It’s only recently that I understand, in retrospect, many of the
    ‘discrimination’ charges were incited by Teach-for America volunteers, mostly white waspy gonna-save the-world-for 2-years-and-then-live-off-my-inheritance types who were sabotaging their temporary colleagues at every opportunity. You know, the same kind of people who populate Obama training camps.

    One of the last incidents was when I reprimanded a 13-year-old 5th grade JD in training and the kid told his teach-for-America Wasp I had hit him and she told the kid’s parent that he should file a police report against me.

    I am so relieved to have gotten out of that horrid place and I can only imagine what the career teachers are going through, now.

  248. again, selfishly, i would like to see HRC in a high level cabinet position in a McCain administration. secretary of state or even secretary of defense (why not!). this would put her in a most visible and powerful position. much more than SML.

    let BHO go back to his sniveling broken democrat senate seat and rot.

  249. Cheapskate

    Calling Joe Biden the cheap veep would be charitable. Biden, Barack Obama’s vice presidential pick, relased 10 years of tax returns Friday in hopes of forcing GOP rival Sarah Palin to do the same. But the filings reveal the Delaware Democrat doesn’t dig very deep into his wallet for charities. Biden reported a total income of $2.2 million over the last 10 years, but donated a scant $3,690 in money and gifts. His philanthropy hit a peak last year – while he was running for President – when he earned $320,000. He gave $995 to charity

  250. hwc,
    The same harry Reid who just today called McCain President McCain? 👿

    Moon,
    I just read this.
    Incrediblely tasteless!
    “It transpires that “McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes”.

  251. HWC,
    “I really don’t think you guys fully understand Hillary’s position in the party. I expect Harry Reid to strip her of her committee assignments.”

    Just what IS her position in your opinion?

  252. Plain praises HRC.

    “Gov. Sarah Palin says Sen. Barack Obama just might regret not picking Sen. Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

    “I think he’s regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way — she handled those well,” the Alaska governor told Charles Gibson in her third and final exclusive interview with ABC News.

  253. pm317, the delegate petition was supposed to be secret. Hillary’s delegates were going to spring it and force a roll call on the floor instead of the BS that went down. Had Heidi kept her self-aggrandizing yap shut, the move wouldn’t have been anticipated and Hillary wouldn’t have been forced into that farce.

  254. basil: That is my question. People would like her to ML, but what does she want? Unfortunately, I think, Reid may take away some of her committee positions. I hope not, but it would not surprise me in the least. After this election, they are jackals.

  255. The rest of the explanation of why McCain doesn’t email.
    NRO
    “McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan – Ted Williams is his hero – but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.”

    He can’t use a computer because his arms were repeatedly broken.

  256. birdgal,

    I don’t get what HWC is implying about HRC.

    S(he) seems to be saying HRC is now powerless.
    I find that difficult to believe.

  257. OK!
    About the Biden rumor:

    Michael Goodwin on Lou Dobbs just predicted Biden would step down and HRC would end up on the ticket.

    Make of it what you will but Goodwin is sometimes right.

  258. # OkieAtty Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    pm317, the delegate petition was supposed to be secret. Hillary’s delegates were going to spring it and force a roll call on the floor instead of the BS that went down. Had Heidi kept her self-aggrandizing yap shut, the move wouldn’t have been anticipated and Hillary wouldn’t have been forced into that farce.
    —————————
    Yea, I see it. There was not enough time (complicated by the lack of outward support from bigwigs in the party or the media) for that (Heidi’s) kind of protest movement to have been effective.

  259. basil9 Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
    ************
    ************

    I wouldn’t last an hour doing what she does. She want to give all the kids a chance and hopes that 2 or 3 will make it. A funny war story…Two years ago the young “hip” teachers decided they would show her up and didn’t tell her when they did the pupil assignments and gave her class most of the “problem” children. At the end of the year, her fourth grade was #1 in the district on the eval. exams. She bitched so much last year about getting screwed over that she got a better mix of kids….only 50% of her fourth graders are reading at or below the first grade level.

  260. AMB, I, too, love Hillary and admire her tireless commitment to the people of our country. She’s the gold standard in public service. She was a community organizer before Dumbass polluted the word.

    After this election is over, and McCain is sworn in, folks will look back and wish they had done it differently in the primary. Already you see the buyers’ remorse. It will strengthen and deepen much like the support of Gore did after 2000. Think about this- Gore has been out of elected office for 8 years and until April of this year, they were still polling him as a possible candidate. That’s unprecedented two elections late. Even Teddy was only polled one election cycle.

    Hillary will be president. It will happen. The American people are just starting to understand how fucked we are without her. With McCain we’re just a little less fucked. If Dumbass is elected, Hillary will never get to the White House bc the Dem brand will be on par with Sassoon jeans. That’s why this election is important.

    Anyhow, when this over, and I disagree with you whole-heartedly, hwc, it’s Dumbass’ position that is in jeopardy. He made lofty promises and will not deliver and these people who went to bat for him and destroyed others and their own state and local parties in an effort to elevate him, will pay. When they do, he will pay, too. He will have no power in DC. He will be the hasbeen we’ve always known him to be.

  261. ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSES:

    OkieAtty Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Krauthammer nails this one (actually a surprise he nails anything….where’s Idunn when I need her?)
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    What the fuck has happened? One year ago, I could count on Krugman, Olbermann, Dowd, etc. to tell it like it is. And Rove, William Kristol, Krauthammer, George Will, etc., were all practically Third Reich-ers.

    Now I have to shun the liberals, and get some red meat info (okay, I’m “pescatarian”, so I’ll take a tofu burger) from the Right Wingers.

    I can’t stand the Dems, but applaud the Repubs.

    Well, at least I’m still rooting for my Oakland Raiders. And I still think the Grateful Dead are grate (heh heh).

    Obama, look at what you’ve done.

    For shame. For shame.

  262. It breaks my heart that Obama and his handlers would humiliate McCain’s non use of the computer. Given McCain’s injuries from Vietnam, I strongly believe that the ad should be pulled and that Obama should apologize profusely for this.

    The damage will be immense to Obama either way.

  263. Basil: We’ll have to see. She may be, especially if BO wins. I think, because her colleagues and leaders stabbed in the back, that “powerlessness” may continue. That is my take. Could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first or last time. But, obviously, down ticket dems still want her to support and speak for them.

  264. And it doesn’t even matter if Obama wasn’t aware of McCain’s background on this. His name is on the ad even if his people didn’t do their homework.

    Of course he will probably throw someone under the bus for this and take no responsibility as is par for this weakling.

  265. Why would Biden release his tax returns if he was dropping out?

    Why would Hillary attach herself to the Titanic?

    Does not compute. Meps. meps.

  266. pm, the delegates had their own private, log-in, secure site. They were doing it themselves since June. They had time and they had numbers, they just didn’t have the element of surprise.

  267. JanH Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    It breaks my heart that Obama and his handlers would humiliate McCain’s non use of the computer.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    That ad’s approach only appeals to the newbie fun-kids who already support Obama.

    Obama needs to reach all those bitter white people, half of whom don’t own computers themselves.

    Another retarded decision made by a campaign that is trapped in their own little fabricated “reality”.

  268. Putting HRC on the ticket would not help it. Maybe, it pull in some votes, but I don’t think it would be enough to offset the Palinmania going on, at the current time.

  269. basil9 Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    hwc,
    The same harry Reid who just today called McCain President McCain
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    Did Reid say that???? When? Where?

    Was it one of those slip of the tongues?

    If so, quite a doozy.

  270. RE: the email ad- uh, but excuse me- there are lOTS of Americans who don’t own or use computers. You get over 50 yrs of age and the number of PC lit folks drops off by huge percentages.

    Hey, Dumbass, way to shoot yourself in the foot with older voters. Shit fer brains….

  271. BTW- biggest reason Hillary will not replace Biden: Dumbass can’t admit a mistake. judgment is a cornerstone of his campaign.

  272. # birdgal Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Putting HRC on the ticket would not help it. Maybe, it pull in some votes, but I don’t think it would be enough to offset the Palinmania going on, at the current time.
    &&&&&&&&

    Putting Hillary in as veep would not work.

    When you see a VW with a Rolls grill, you still know it is a VW, not a Rolls.

    It’s too late to salvage the Obama brand name. It is tainted like Enron and Lehman Bros.

    Why would someone join Lehman now?

    Why would Hillary jump into a no-win situation, where she’d be humiliated, and blamed for Obama’s impending loss.

    Keep far away from the con artist, Dear Hillary.

    We want what’s best for you.

    But, like we really have to explain it to someone as smart as she??? Methinks not. And ieven if she had a moment of weakness…Bill would say, “Intervention!!!!”

  273. I think this Hillary as VP rumor is being pushed by the Repubs to embarrass BO. Goodwin’s a conservative. Obama would never bring Hillary on board; he’d rather lose in a landslide than do that, and the GOP knows that.

  274. # OkieAtty Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    pm, the delegates had their own private, log-in, secure site. They were doing it themselves since June. They had time and they had numbers, they just didn’t have the element of surprise.
    ——————–
    Why didn’t they contact her and asked her to stop the Denver group stuff? (I think I know the answer to this ….trust or lack of it and perhaps mistaken identities?) Wow! what a tangled web and it will make for interesting history but looks like some of these people on the outside shot themselves in the foot.

  275. OkieAtty Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    RE: the email ad- uh, but excuse me- there are lOTS of Americans who don’t own or use computers. You get over 50 yrs of age and the number of PC lit folks drops off by huge percentages.

    Hey, Dumbass, way to shoot yourself in the foot with older voters. Shit fer brains
    *********
    *********
    I thought 65 was the new 40 or some such nonsense.

  276. rgb,

    I just went to drudge to get the link for you and the article is gone. I googled and found this:
    Reid MISTAKENLY quoted as calling McCain prez.
    $#$#@@!!
    😳

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/reid-slips-calls-gop-nominee-president-mccain/

  277. I think all of the Hill will be VP is Repub. psy-ops against Obama. They are just F***ing with the media and with what little sanity Obama has left.

  278. birdgal,

    Ya know, it’s not like HRC NEEDS this gig! i mean, she and Bill hare finiancially well-off, can do anything they like, have had decades of attention and influence . . . I have a sneaking suspicion that her run for prez was part of BC’s mea culpa to her and they seem to have come out of this grueling process united, happy, stronger both as a couple and a family . . .

    What I’m trying to say is I can’t see HRC hanging in there unless she’s pretty sure she WILL be in a strong position when
    all is said and done. I can’t see her needlessly exposing herself to further humilition unless there’s a pot-o-gold at the end.

  279. birdgal,

    My bad. Drudge reported, i copied and pasted and now Drudge recanted, or at least pulled the article from its site.

    Reid DIDN’t call JM prez.

  280. Nancy Pelosi Avoids Criticizing Sarah Palin
    By Christopher Keating on September 12, 2008 8:14 PM

    The highest-ranking Democratic woman in the country has apparently entered into a non-aggression pact against Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

    U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is in Connecticut this weekend for Democratic fundraisers and a speech, refused to criticize Palin – despite being asked multiple times during a press conference Friday afternoon in downtown Hartford.

    When asked directly for her assessment of Palin, Pelosi responded, “My assessment is of the top of the ticket. People ask me: ‘is Sarah Palin qualified to be president?’ I say that John McCain is not qualified to be the leader for the future of our country. A man who votes 90 percent with the president of the United States” during the administration of George W. Bush.

    Pelosi dodged criticism in other statements, including when asked by a television reporter if it was insulting to expect women to vote for the McCain-Palin ticket simply because Palin is a woman.

    “I’ll leave that up to the people who want to make that pitch in the election,” Pelosi responded.

    Pelosi came to the Hartford Club for an address to the nonpartisan World Affairs Council of Connecticut, which launched its Global Women’s Issues Forum. On Saturday, she is attending fundraisers at an estate in Kent with U.S. Rep. Christopher Murphy and in Westport with Democratic candidate Jim Himes, who is seeking to oust Republican Christopher Shays.

    The big-money fundraiser on a farm in Kent is designed to benefit the Washington-based Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The maximum contribution is $28,500, which is the annual limit for individuals for a national campaign committee like the DCCC. Sponsors can pay $5,000, and guests will pay $500 for individuals or $1,000 per couple.

    The appearance on behalf of Himes, whom Pelosi described as “just fabulous,” is the latest in a long line of appearances in Fairfield County. Pelosi has been fighting for years to defeat Shays, coming to Connecticut in recent years to help Democrat Diane Farrell. Pelosi has no fondness for Shays, describing him during a campaign stop at Stamford city hall in 2004 as “a rubber-stamp-for-the-radical-right-wing, check-your-brain-at-the-door Congressperson.”

    The Shays campaign dismissed those comments as “ridiculous” at the time, and Shays defeated Farrell in two consecutive elections.

    State Senate GOP leader John McKinney of Southport, a longtime Shays supporter, said Friday that the campaign is already heating up. McKinney’s wife is an unaffiliated voter who is already hearing about the race through the family’s mailbox.

    “We’ve already gotten two hit pieces from the DCCC,” McKinney told Capitol Watch.

    blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2008/09/nancy-pelosi-avoids-criticizin.html

  281. # basil9 Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    birdgal,

    My bad. Drudge reported, i copied and pasted and now Drudge recanted, or at least pulled the article from its site.

    Reid DIDN’t call JM prez.
    &&&&&&&&&

    He’ll have to wait 2 months.

  282. # JanH Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    It breaks my heart that Obama and his handlers would humiliate McCain’s non use of the computer. Given McCain’s injuries from Vietnam, I strongly believe that the ad should be pulled and that Obama should apologize profusely for this.

    The damage will be immense to Obama either way.

    ****
    The Republicans are smart – they know how to harness “backlash” – it seems to be the cornerstone of their strategy against BO. I’m sure the more it plays, the better…then on Monday, they will pushback and hard and show how BO insults seniors and veterans – and the ad will play ad nauseum on cable news networks, earning Republicans even more free media.

    Did someone post an article that the media is angry because Mccain and the Republicans are manipulating it…GOOD.

  283. Loved your comments, HillaryforTexas: “The Democratic Party is at a very dangerous watershed, similar to the seismic shift that occurred when the AA’s left the Republicans in droves in the 60’s. And so far, they seem to be utterly blind to that danger.”

    The Dems really are blind to the danger. They should be looking at the polls. Wouldn’t it be lovely to remove Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House?

    I’m thinking of you and texasforhillary, okie atty too. I REALLY appreciate the Hurricane Ike news that you’ve been giving us. Sad that a few people in U.S. are already dead, and of course, earlier in the Caribbean.

  284. Just for the record, I think that Joe Biden said that Hillary Clinton would have been the better pick as VP for a reason. It wouldn’t surprise me if Biden fell on his sword and stepped aside for Hillary, but with seven weeks left to the election Nov. 4th, I hear a lot of you saying that HRC as VP now to save Princess Obama’s sorry ass would be too little, too late. Either way, Biden better take one for the team pretty quickly if Bambi hopes to win.

    My husband says that he would be ecstatic if HRC were VP, that he has a crush on Hillary. Loves her. But my husband’s going to vote for Obama anyway because he’s a Democrat. I wish he could see how corrupt Obama is, how misogynistic and narcissistic he is.

    Seems like if Obama had any passion, he would have worked up some about the plight of the working class, the middle class, by now.

    Trouble is, Bambi doesn’t care. Only cares about his self-promotion.

  285. BTW, my husband says that if Hillary saves Bambi’s ass by taking the VP slot, she will have terms, and she will want a position for Bill, too. Maybe that’s what Obama’s pow-wow with Bill was about.

  286. Sheesh carbynew,

    Why is it that McCain’s ads bring tears to my eyes with their depth and warmth of topics, while I just see greed and ignorance in Obama’s ads whenever they appear? 😉

  287. Does a President Need to Be Computer Literate?
    Nick Timiraos reports from Concord, N.H., on the presidential race:

    Does the president need to be computer literate?

    That’s where the presidential debate turned on Friday. With both candidates looking to paint their rival as disconnected from the way most Americans live, Barack Obama went up with a new ad telling voters that John McCain doesn’t know how to use email.

    The Obama campaign says it’s not trying to raise John McCain’s age as an issue, but that it is instead trying to make the point that the 72-year-old’s unfamiliarity with computers signals a similar detachment on the global economy.

    “He’s missing out on this big revolution that has happened,” said Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a top Obama backer, on a conference call with reporters Friday morning.

    McCain would certainly have company among presidents that don’t use email in the Oval Office, which doesn’t even have a computer. President Clinton, who oversaw the 90s tech boom, sent just two emails during his time in office, and doesn’t own a blackberry, according to a nugget in a Vanity Fair article on his wife’s failed presidential bid.

    President Bush said last year in an interview that he refrained from using email as president, even though he enjoyed using it to keep in touch with friends, because of potential political risks.

    “I don’t want to receive emails because, you know, there’s no telling what somebody’s email may — it would show up as, you know, a part of some kind of a story, and I wouldn’t be able to say, `Well, I didn’t read the email,’” Bush said in a 2006 interview with CNBC. “So, in other words, I’m very cautious about emailing.”

    In a separate interview, he recalled his days as Texas governor, when he fired “off e-mails at all times of the day to stay in touch with my pals.”

    Bush was humorously portrayed as out of touch about technology when, during the 2004 presidential debates, he referred to “Internets.” He doused concerns about a military draft, for example, by alluding to “rumors on the Internets.” Earlier this year, he drew some teasing when he similarly referred to “the Google.”

    Of course, the most famous Internet-related political attack benefited the Republicans, who tried to discredit Al Gore by alleging that he had “invented the Internet” as one of a series of exaggerations by the former veep.

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/12/does-a-president-need-to-be-computer-literate/
    *****************************************************
    Republican are so very good in setting traps and the Dems are so very good in falling into their traps.

  288. It breaks my heart that Obama and his handlers would humiliate McCain’s non use of the computer. Given McCain’s injuries from Vietnam, I strongly believe that the ad should be pulled and that Obama should apologize profusely for this.
    **********
    **********
    McCain is laughing his ass off at their stupidity. He has a wicked sense of humor.

  289. then what is your best advice to Hillary?

    ==========

    Campaign for senators who will vote for you for Senate Majority Leader, and for other downticket people who will support that.

    Stay away from BO. Denounce the sexist attacks on Paln. Make friends with McC/Palin and get ready to work across the aisle with them.

    Don’t even take Clinton/Biden if the DNC offers it. Let BO destroy himself so he never comes back.

    You and Mc and Palin are all reform people, and now anti-sexist people. That’s enough important issues to make common cause for the next four years. It might even become a new longterm bi-partisan coalition.

  290. wbboei Says:

    September 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    hwc, if Obama loses badly enough, the power brokers that are now running the DNC will be de-fanged, and the old blue-collar Clinton wing will rise again, and put their people in
    ——————————————
    Amen.
    ================

    Yes, this campaign has shown us that those voters still exist!!

  291. I want to talk about Gov Palin’s stands on abortion. I am pro choice meaning a woman can choose to have a child or not. If she does that is great. IF she doesn’t that is between her and her GOD.

    Gov Palin’s stand that she still is against abortion in the case of incest and rape is an admirable position because it is consistent with her core belief against an abortion. I am presuming that most people are against abortion because it kills a living person, the baby. Well, in the case of incest and rape, if a baby is the product of that hedious crime, it is still baby, no? From the babies point of view it does not know the way it is conceived it is just conceived. That is why I respect Gov Palin and all the anti abortionist who hold similar beliefs (I believe Mother Thersa was one of them).

    So is it the way in which a woman gets pregnant or is it the result of the act–a baby? You can’t have it both ways…Gov Palin is consistent no matter how gross and hideous the conception is.

    Democrats acting so disguised with Gov Palin’s position (see the View “hens”) are being dishonest and hypocrites.

  292. I just caught a snippet of JM on the View that was shown on Hannity and JM cracked me up. His expressions were priceless and it looked like he was trying hard not to laugh.

  293. This is the full post on the Hillary becoming VP rumor. The point about Dems worried about downticket losses is interesting.

    stevemaloneygop.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-effect-biden-out-hillary-in.html

  294. This is a bit long but well worth reading. It;s a play in one act by Madambad called the Demfather and recreates one possible scenario of the meeting yesterday between BC and BO.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/the-demfather-a-play-in-one-powerful-act/#more-5567

    It is excellent!!!.

  295. Thats one thing I like about McCain, he has a wicked sense of humor. He probably enjoying watching Obama hang himself.

  296. I watched the video, it seems like they were all jumping all over McCain. He handle it well. Is there a video of Obama on the View? I would like to see if they did the same to him.

    Seems the View is in the Tank for O

  297. filbertsfm

    I appreciate your postings and your patience, your repeating as necessary to make clear your points on a blog where people are always dropoing in and out and many of us don’t see all the posts. I hope you don’t feel like you’re being battered by some of us repeating the same disagreement so it might look like we’re ganging up on you. Sometimes I read thyreads from the top,sometimes from the bottom, sometimes a lot of posts get lost in my shuffle.

    Sometimes I answer a post when I firs tsee it, then later see that several others had given the same answer already. I’m grateful no one confronts me wiht a criticiasm aboauat ‘repeating the same mantra’ or some such.

    I apprecieat you courage and honesty. (And sometimes even agree with you. 🙂

  298. Seems the View is in the Tank for O

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Just about all of the media is in the tank for BO. I thought, they were rude to him, but he did handle himself well. I like, how he keeps challenging BO, for a joint townhall or debate. If BO can’t handle McCain or Hillary, he will not be able to handle Putin.

  299. JMHO, but The View seems like a worthless show. I never watch it, because I work, but does it really have any substance?

  300. The view is in the tank for BO thats for sure. I just wish I knew what network it is on. If its on abc, then isn’t that the same one that Oprah is on. I know Charlie Gibson is on ABC and was probably told to be overly stern to Palin, which I thought he was. Why has no one asked the ONE if he thought he had enough experience. He has less than Palin.

  301. We are now under a tornado watch. Crap this is early. The storm hasn’t even hit Galveston yet. I did hear it was headed to LaPorte. That’s the ship channel. WE are in trouble now!

  302. rgb sayis: So winning the nomination was “historical”, and now all he has to do is “give it his best”, cry racism when he loses, and write another book, and have a talk show that is televised from Hawaii.
    ===========

    Yep. If he becomes convinced he is going to lose, he will probably fall apart and ask HIllary to do Clinton/Biden. Then he wn’t have the humiliation OR the job.

  303. obama may have bribed superdelegates, but he wont bribe me with hillary. i wont vote obama and hillary for any reason. i would consider hillary a sell out if she took the position…

  304. Well, I guess bad behavior, Obamalite arrogance, and spite were the order of the day for the women obamabots on the view. B. Walters especially lost any respect I’ve ever had for her in the past.

    I guess the meaning of fair play was lost, but John McCain held his own and was a gentleman.

  305. commuter train accident just north of Los Angeles – commuter train with over 200 people hit a freight train – it’s terrible scene, with people trapped inside, and being dug out…hundreds hurt, LAPD saying, there may be up to 20 dead.

    not a good day for disasters.

  306. JanH, He sure did show that he was a gentleman right in the middles of these witches. Did Whoopi say anything?? Barbara Walters was completely horrible. I have lost respect for her.

  307. Thanx JanH, we all have a plan. We’ll be fine though. All those POOR people you did not have a car or gas to get out of town are the ones that will be hurt. I believe again, the poor people will get it again.

  308. I believe in reference to Roe vs Wade, someone posted earlier that Whoopi asked McCain whether he wanted her to be a slave again.

    Double meaning = race card.

  309. Did people watch 20/20?

    At dinner at a restaurant, I saw on CNN as they were discussing the ABC interview this headline “R v W: Overturn it” And when I actually saw the interview she didn’t say any such thing. What are these fools talking about? Their journalistic integrity has gone to the dogs.

  310. pm317 – what sh*theads the press are…they use a disturbing headline to drive up the foaming at the mouth, non-Fact checking bots and then Palin doesn’t address it at all…

    well, part of me is relieved that it is not our fight anymore – i don’t take it as personally when this kind of crap is no longer directed at Hillary…but I can imagine the Republicans in their households calling foul on the press…

  311. JanH – thanks very much…I hope many of these people get out safely as well…i hope the train death toll is low as possible…it just reminds me so much of 9-11 when people are interviewed and they’re distraught because they don’t know if their relatives are safe, and what hospital they’re at, or if they’re dead…heartbreaking.

    A friend of mine who is an MD were thinking tonight would be a slow night for her on call, and then, we’d go hang out tomorrow, and suddenly, her hospital is swamped…she said there are people everywhere, most going into surgery.

  312. Hillary will be here in Ohio on Sunday. At first i was going to see her, but changed my mind. My heart isn’t in it knowing she will be trying to convince us to vote for O. I just don’t want to go to hear her lying about O..

  313. moon….it’s clear in Obamaland that if you are beaten severely enough, you really shouldn’t be president. After all, isn’t shooting hoops part of the job description?

    BTW, we were one of the first people in the country to have a home computer. Everybody came to see it but men didn’t try it because none of them knew how to type — their secretaries all did the typing.

  314. neetabug, thanks!
    I wouldn’t be able to watch her try and convince me to vote for the fraud either. I just keep thinking about everything we all wanted this year. Everything will be lost, healthcare, social security. If the republicans get a majority with a republican President I hope that will not be able to privatize social security. Its really depressing. Old vendettas costing us alot, but we have to clean out these idiots or we will be under their corruption forever!

  315. mp,

    HIllary may be a Senator now, but she has more executive experience than … well, Palin, who is the only executive in the race. Hillary and Bill were co-President of the USA for 8 years (of great success) and co-Govenror of Arkansas for 12 years, agan with good success.

  316. BTW, we were one of the first people in the country to have a home computer. Everybody came to see it but men didn’t try it because none of them knew how to type
    ************
    ************
    Well my mother was right when she made me take typing when I was in school in the 1950’s. She told me that if the worst came again (the Great Depression) if I could type, I could always find a job. Those typing lesions are still paying off 50+ years later.

  317. basil9 Says: I also like you opinion that HRC would have a shot at Semate majority leader.
    BTW, anyone know how one gets that position?
    Is it by vote?
    =========

    I think it is by vote of the Democratic Senators, but of course endorasements by other downtickets and even ordinary citizens will help. We can all add our sigantures to a letter Heidi Li has at http://www.hrcforsenatemajorityleader09.com, and pressure our downticket pols to sign it too.

  318. I know a lovely story about Chris Shays and I used to write him once in a while because he was my favorite Republican.

    Years ago there was a housing scandal in the Reagan admin because people were paying admin insiders like Sec. Watt (yuck) $300,000 to get the Housing Sec, whom Reagan didn’t recognize in a meeting to award funds to retrofit apartment for

  319. urndownobama-com Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
    mp,
    HIllary may be a Senator now, but she has more executive experience than … well, Palin, who is the only executive in the race. Hillary and Bill were co-President of the USA for 8 years (of great success) and co-Govenror of Arkansas for 12 years, agan with good success.
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    That is so true. In addition to being the “bread winner” in the family, she also kept Bill organized. From what I have heard, she and Bill would spend hours at night in the Gov’s mansion kitchen exec’ing. IIRC she is the only First Lady who had an office in the West wing of the WH.

  320. Okie said: [Palin said] personal views don’t always align with administration’s goals and that she wants more emphasis on adoption and prevention. Roe worriers can chill now.
    ========

    Thank God she’s finally got that out! Any transcript anywhere? Any furhter statement from her on that?

  321. OkieAtty Says: SHV, AMB90- Hillary doesn’t want to be majority leader. No way, no how. you become a lightening bolt for mucho crap. you also never go any higher. if she did become ML, that means she’s given up on being POTUS. Better to avoid that trap…

    ================

    thanks, Okie. But WHY would SML in 2009 keep her from running for Pres in 2012? If she was threatened c. June 3 concerning her Senate position, would’t SML give her soem protection against further threats of that kind?

  322. turndownobama-com…don’t think the media is going to publish her views on pregnancy prevention and adoption…

    they just want to continue the narrative that she’s going to single-handedly overturn Roe v. Wade.

  323. Liberal Rapture likes this quote from The London Times:

    The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience.

  324. AP poll: Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience — an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor
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    Are they trying to say 53% think Obama has enough experience but 64% think Palin does? That 11% trust Palin’;s experience more than Obama’s?

    I wish they wouldn’t fancy up their grammar!

  325. …..Samuel Pierce, the AA Housing secy that Reagan called “Mr. Mayor” when he saw him was awarding huge amounts of money to cronies. He approved one apartment building in a Conn. city that didn’t have that many poor people in it.

    The House investigating committee was chaired by Tom Lantos, the very bright man who was wsaved by the Nazis by Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish consul who snatched Jews off trains and gave them instant Swedish papers. The ranking Republican was a staunch Republican who saw his role as fighting everything and staunchly defending the Repubs. I forget his name but he went to jail halfway through the committee hearings. Moving up a slot was a young, new Christopher Shays.

    One day (the hearings were shown about 2am on PBS — I’m the one who watched) two oily, patronizing men were going through a yearly statement to show how they had done so much better that year from the day before and had lost far less money. They were justifying why the apts were jusified. When they finished their smooth presentation, Tom Lantos spoke: “I guess you didn’t realize that I used to be an Economics professor and I can read a statement. Everything you just said is a lie. You just wrote off the losses so that it seems like you’re doing better but…..” and he proceeded to rip them both a new one. It was totally funny and one of the best ‘gotcha’ moments in Congress.

    When he was finished and they were sputtering Obama-style, Chris started. He didn’t defend them or the Admin or Republicans. He said something like: “I’m truly shocked (and he sure seemed to be) that anyone can come up here and defend ripping off the poor for money.” He went on to say how ashamed he was. It was a bipartisan moment of indignation that made you want to stand and cheer!

    There aren’t many like that. Recently, when Tom Lantos died, I called Shays’ office and told his staff man about this and it made me cry when I described it. I got a sweet note from Shays thanking me for remembering Lantos, who he said was a dear friend.

    Not all Repubs are pigs and, unfortunately, we now know not all Dems are classy.

  326. Whatever you do…don’t look at Bill Maher tonight, it was another hit piece on Gov. Sarah Palin and very disrespectful to her and the people of Alaska.

    I don’t know why the Democrats are going personal….well I do know, BO can’t stand being shown up by a woman. He has taken it personal all those TRUE slams by Sarah Palin.

    The problem is BO is TOAST, he will never regain his WOW factor, in fact the more people compare his accomplishment beside Sarah Palin the more he stick up the place with his arrogance and bitter meanspirited heart. He can’t stand being under Gov. Sarah Palin shadow.

    Even now, Democrats are still talking about Gov. Sarah Palin and not Obama and the dumb move to slam McCain for not using Email in an attack ad will come back to hurt him with the voters.

    The more they pile up and denigate Gov. Sarah Palin and her acheivements in Alaska the more Obama lose votes with those voters.

    Obama ego and arrogance is amazing in how he keeps repeating the same mistakes.

  327. Campaign for senators who will vote for you for Senate Majority Leader, and for other downticket people who will support that.

    Stay away from BO. Denounce the sexist attacks on Paln. Make friends with McC/Palin and get ready to work across the aisle with them.

    Don’t even take Clinton/Biden if the DNC offers it. Let BO destroy himself so he never comes back.

    You and Mc and Palin are all reform people, and now anti-sexist people. That’s enough important issues to make common cause for the next four years. It might even become a new longterm bi-partisan coalition.
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    Excellent advice turndowon

  328. wbboei, just got a call from my daughter and we will be getting the eye here in crockett. I don’t know how strong it will be but I better go get the water drawn and take a shower while I still can. I will be on all night and giving updates while I still have power.

  329. Hillary will be here in Ohio on Sunday. At first i was going to see her, but changed my mind. My heart isn’t in it knowing she will be trying to convince us to vote for O. I just don’t want to go to hear her lying about O..
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    same here neetabug

  330. Obama slamming the age of McCain is playing with dynamite. Does Obama know how many senior citizens are in this country, probably not, he did not know how many women were here.
    Who is advising him and is he listening to his handlers?? Surely they are not telling him to go after the age, especially since he already went after the woman. He is breaking all the things democrats hold dear to their hearts. EQUALITY without bias against color, sex, age, sexual orientation or handicap.Does he realize he is running on a democratic ticket???

  331. I can’t believe that Bambi wants to bring up 1982. McCain will just run an ad with old footage of Obama with an announcer quoting from his book abut smokin’ reefer, doing a little blow.

    Let Obama deny the ad saying, “Oh no! That’s a lie! I quit doing coke in 1981…..

  332. pm317 Says:

    September 12th,
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    Do you think Charlie had a hand in the edits.

    They do want to paint her as a right wing fanatic when her persona in much more nuanced than that. That is incontrovertible proof that he is in the bag for bambi. Shoehorning her into that stereotype is a clear attempt to turn off voters. Also that condescending, sceptical and repetitive question about whehter she is ready to be vp. A question like that sets up a whole line of cross examinattion: you say you are ready to be vp and yet you do not know . . .

  333. Do you think Charlie has any clue that he comes off looking like an asshole prick with his nose up in the air staring over those glasses at the woman?

    Being a man, I don’t know. But, I suspect that women have a visceral, maybe even sub-conscious, revulsion to an asshole like that.

  334. hwc, his entire body language is overly aggressive in that interview. He actually did the thumb/forefinger jabbing thing a couple of times – something I have NEVER seen him do with Obama.

    Even women who do not see that consciously will fell it subconsciously.

  335. Confloyd — you’re missing the Obama strategy. It’s true that there are a lot of seniors who VOTE in FL and the rest of the 50 states — but Obama will make up for the loss in the other 7.

    I believe that recent polls have him safely ahead in New Pennsylvania.

  336. Getting late for me….

    In Alaska April 3, 2007 – Alaska voters approve a non-binding referendum 53%-47% to amend the state constitution and ban extending benefits to the same-sex partners of public employees.

    In Alaska date unknown Palin had a 80-90% approval rating.

    This suggests that a large segment of those who supported the gay benefits also approve of Palin (who did in fact veto an anti-gay measure calling it unconsitutiaonal).

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    One way to keep SML Reid from stripping HIllary of her committee posts would be to make Hillary SML herself, and then she could strip him. Maybe they could sell tickets. We’re talkign about what, c. 26 Democratic Senators constituting a majority of the Democratic Senators? Did ALL the Dem Senators backstab her, and would they all do it again, especially after Obama crashes in November?

    If you’re right abot SML being considered a dead end and cancelling a presidential run later, then some of her enemies might go for it to keep her out of mischief.

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    The media want to paint Palin as a religious extremist who would push her standards on others. The GOP may want their own base to think that too.

    So to tell the truth for us centrists, it may be up to us…. AMong our own channels, since we swing centrists are the ones who care.

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    Obama better not put his ‘McCain can’t tyype’ ad on regular tv, just on the internet sites and blogs. 🙂

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    She also refused to put some anti-abortion ridres on some energy bill. h t t p : / / http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm

  337. turndown — just because 36% believe something, it doesn’t mean that 64% think the opposite. There’s often a large “Im not sure” contingent. O people.

  338. APPOLOGIES IF THIS WAS POSTED ALREADY..
    from susan at noquarter:

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    Today, the Obama campaign launched a smart-alecky ad mocking John McCain’s age and inability to keep up with modern devices, such as using a computer. Why, John McCain doesn’t even know how to send an e-mail. Writes Mark Halperin for Time’s blog The Page, “In one of his two latest TV spots, the Land of Lincolner gets personal, saying McCain has admitted he doesn’t know how to use a computer or send an e-mail, doesn’t understand the economy.”

    Here’s the problem: John McCain cannot send an e-mail, not because he hasn’t bothered to learn, but because he is physically unable to do so.

    John McCain, because of the torture he endured as a prisoner of war, cannot use a computer keyboard. John McCain can’t even comb his own hair.

    This ad, released by the Obama campaign today, and played numerous times on television, is utterly cruel, and should not only be pulled from the Obama Web site and Obama YouTube channel — where it is still displayed — but also require Obama to issue a profound apology:

    Thanks to Ed Morrissey, we have the full back-story on this:

    Earlier today, Barack Obama’s campaign released an ad attacking John McCain for not knowing how to send an e-mail. Their crack research team apparently never heard of Google or Lexis-Nexis, but Jonah Goldberg does. He discovers why McCain doesn’t use a keyboard — his torturers made sure he couldn’t. The Boston Globe reported it eight years ago:

    McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan – Ted Williams is his hero – but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

    After Vietnam, McCain had Ann Lawrence, a physical therapist, help him regain flexibility in his leg, which had been frozen in an extended position by a shattered knee. It was the only way he could hope to resume his career as a Navy flier, but Lawrence said the treatment, taken twice a week for six months, was excruciatingly painful.

    ”He endured it, he wouldn’t settle for less,” said Lawrence, who rejoiced with McCain when he passed the Navy physical. ”I have never seen such toughness and resolve.”

    Making fun of a war hero’s severe injuries — smooth move, Team O. Talk about computer illiteracy! Doesn’t anyone on the Obama campaign know what they’re doing? Didn’t it ever occur to them that a man who can’t raise his arms above his head might have a physical barrier to using a computer?

    Thank you, Ed.

    What a terrible error, Team Obama.

    The sooner you issue a truly sincere apology, the better.

    If you have the character to do so.

    Frankly, I doubt you do.

    In your world, Being O means never having to say you’re sorry. Or eat humble pie.

    Your arrogance will be the ruin of you, Barack.

    Not to mention the Democratic party.

    ::::

    The one saving grace for Barack: The media will doubtless not cover this nearly to the extent it should.

    If Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin or John McCain had made such a cruel mistake, the TV news coverage would be relentless and condemning.

    We shall see if the media do their job this time. I’m not holding my breath.

  339. the best part of Palin’s interviews is when she’s being spontaneous – her answer about Hillary Clinton seemed very genuine – she complimented Clinton, her answers about growing up as a product of Title IX, and walking around her old high school, and when she lit up when Gibson said would you play basketball against BO…

  340. ABC and Charlie Gibson did a hit piece on Gov. Sarah Palin. Very disrespectful to the people of Alaska with his nose in the air about that road to nowhere and other slams.

    I like how they are trying to make a big issue that she hunt moose to eat for the winter. When did this country become namby pamby about hunting for food and it Bambi continue his culture war with small town folks and their traditions?

  341. carby, unless all these people are vegetarians, what is their problem with hunting for food? Do they think the meat in their supermarket came from the Magic Meat Fairy?

  342. I believe that recent polls have him safely ahead in New Pennsylvania
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    That one really surprises me. Bambi safely in lead.

  343. freckles Says: turndown — just because 36% believe something, it doesn’t mean that 64% think the opposite. There’s often a large “Im not sure” contingent. O people.
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    You’re quite right, yes, I was tired and lazy. Thanks for correcting the record.

  344. Disney owns abc, Ex-Disney Chairman (Eisner) is a big McCain supporter, and someone should perhaps send him the NY Post article above with the caption hit piece on McCain ticket at bottom to him it might get some action. Still disappointed in Charlie Gibson. They sure didnt teach you this at Princeton.

  345. wbboei Says:
    I believe that recent polls have him safely ahead in New Pennsylvania
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    That one really surprises me. Bambi safely in lead.
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    Is New Pennsylvania across the Great Lake from Bohemia?

  346. Part of the genius of selecting Palin was the fact that it addressed the unresolved the sexism issue which was created in the primary in favor of the Republicans,

    Part of it was it upstaged bambi whose celebrity status was starting to erode but her candidacy caused it to decay more quickly-when confronted with something even newer/ If halted the growth in his appeal.

    And wihtout the novelty what have we got? Nothing—-except for a arrogant condesendind inesperieced namedropping sexist racist nice guy who we have all been waiting for.

  347. Palin has an 80-90% approval rating in Alaska. In a recent referendum on a gay issue, 47% supported the gay side — but quite a chunk of those must approve of Palin. (In fact she did veto a related anti-gay bill, saying it was unconstitutional.)

    The 47% is from a very informative article at
    h t t p : / / http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm
    titled “Palin ‘governed from the center,’ went after big oil” It also says: “But in her 21 months as governor, Palin has taken few steps to advance culturally conservative causes. …. . But we never put those issues forward in the campaign. …. that wasn’t her agenda. ….
    She came in with a big oil and gas agenda, which really required Democratic allies to get through.”

  348. kings

    yes, a tragedy indeed. how sad it will be when that map lights-up red from coast to coast november 4th. when we knew all along what could have been.

  349. Morning, Moon.
    Here’s one i thought you might like, from NQ.
    It’s a response to why BO didn’t show up for the SNL taping.

    Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-09-13 03:15:30
    “… he cancelled his appearance because of Hurricane Ike, he said it wouldnt be appropriate to show up on saturday night live while the country is facing a crisis…because you know he might be needed at any moment to push back the waters.”

  350. Obama’s incredible skrinking lead..

    McCain cuts Obama’s lead to 3% points in NJ

    From everything I have been hearing around the state McCain will win NJ.

  351. rjk,

    I agree. i lived in NJ for 10 years and from what I experienced only the cities will go for BO and maybe a couple of north-eastern counties.

  352. basil9
    NJ 101.5 the only statewide talk radio station all during the primaries were pretty much for Obama. Since Palin was named as McCain’s running mate they have been gushing over Sarah.

  353. Lees people forget Obama has a tendency to over poll, he usually drops a about 4% from poll to actual result. If that happens, it will change a lot of states.

  354. Moon,
    This is a good article listing many of the states JM is surging in with accompanying graphics.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/13/erosion/#more-4772

    rjk,
    Is 101 out of Secaucus? Who are the anchors? From what I know of NJ Hudson county might go BO but the large Cuban population might tilt it toward JM, IMO.

  355. Dennis and Judy are the primary ones (mostly Judy) saying she is voting for McCain/Palin. She did a show the other day and just about the whole 4 hours were about Sarah. Saying if she has a choice of voting for someone she agrees with on 30% of the issues and someone she disagrees with on 100% of the issues she is voting for the 30%. Haven’t heard Jim Gearhart’s show since Palin was named, but I get the feeling he is not in the Obama tank.

  356. I am currently waiting for the eye to pass over and its a miracle that I haven’t lost power. Its really windy, I hope the trees hold up as I have them all around my house.

  357. lest we not forgot every poll of Obama during primaries had him overperforming against Hillary and she always got more votes than poll numbers.

    California was the worst, it was way way off.

  358. One of the funniest comments I heard yesterday from MSNBC was from DC/NY elites talking about Gov. Sarah Palin’s responsibilities not being the “right” sort of experience to qualify for President.:

    “It’s not like she is from California, like Reagan, a state that had the 6th largest economy in the world.”

    What a SLAM to the people of the WEST and WEST COAST, that’s why most states out west don’t even expect much help or concern from DC and the East Coast because of attitudes like these.

    We place more concern with our regional partners, then we do in DC. California is lucky but by no means haven’t felt the demeaning and dismissive comments about our state….like during the period of our energy crisis.

  359. Gunning for Palin-excerpt

    http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/13/gunning-for-palin/

    Don’t blame Palin, Democrats, because you selected a guy who probably needed another four years. The Republicans chose a soldier and a leader who has been consulting with presidents for nearly 30 years. God willing, Palin will get the time she needs to expand her portfolio of experience and she sure as heck is smart enough and savvy enough to function at the highest levels of our government.

    But come November, the presidential candidate for the Democrats will be a man who has spent less time as a functioning member of the Senate than Palin has as an active Governor running a state. American voters will have to judge if they think he is better prepared than McCain; heck, they might even pray about it.

  360. Don’t blame Palin, Democrats, because you selected a guy who probably needed another four years.
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    If lack of experience or poor judgment were Obama’s main problems, the “needs 4 or 8 more years” meme might be true. Unfortunately, Obama’s bottom line problems and why he would never be fit to be President are psychological. At the least, he has severe NPD and more likely he is a sociopath. That doesn’t get better with time.

    Here is a funny cartoon at HillBuzz:

    http : / / hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/youre-getting-sleepyvery-sleepyobey-the-media/

  361. Who is the Pontius Pilate here? (Charlie Gibson is)
    By Online Saturday, September 13, 2008

    By Mark Andrew Dwyer

    ABC’s anchor, Charlie Gibson, showed us how sensitive, tolerant, and respectful a true Liberal is. Well, except when he has a chance to grill a Conservative.
    Gibson, with his reputation as a courteous and mild-mannered journalist, couldn’t have been more hostile and demeaning to Sarah Palin, the elected Governor of Alaska and Republican nominee for the Vice President of the United States, than he was during the “interview” (interrogation would have been more appropriate descriptor here) of her, the excerpts of which ABC has already posted on their website.

    The International Herald Tribune characterized Gibson’s demeanor very aptly (see [2]): “Gibson, who sat back in his chair and wriggled his foot impatiently, had the skeptical, annoyed tone of a university president who agrees to interview the daughter of a trustee, but doesn’t believe she merits admission.”

    When I saw it, I thought he acted more like a pissed-off judge questioning a notorious thief, rather than like a university president. With his voice hinting irritation, towering his interviewee as if he tried to intimidate her with his manly posture and patronizing her in bad style, he interrogated Sarah Palin as if she were nobody of consequence that was submitted to his capricious judgment.

    And then I remembered a movie made by another Gibson, Mel, that I saw the other year, and a recent comment by Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., who said on the floor of the U.S. House: “Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, Pontius Pilate was a governor.”

    And finally, reminding myself that Liberals have exceptional talent in projecting their own characteristics and intentions on their opponents, I saw the light.

    Charlie Gibson did not act like a university president or a judge.

    He acted like Pontius Pilate who grilled Jesus trying to find in him a shade of guilt that could justify Jesus’ death.

    And the crowd of Liberal-controlled media and TV networks was salivating on Sarah’s crucifixion.

    As if she did something profoundly wrong.

    As if her beliefs were a threat to America or were at odds with beliefs of the majority of citizens.

    As if her qualifications and executive experience were absurdly marginal to let seek election as the Vice President of the United States

    As if the candidate for the Presidency, the media darling, Barak Obama, were any better than she was in any of the above aspects.

    (I would like to make it clear here that I do NOT compare Obama to Barabbas, although I know relatively little about him because the Liberal-controlled media didn’t bother to grill him on the issues that are important for the American voters, like Gibson grilled Sarah Palin.)

    Almost two thousand years passed and some things haven’t changed much.

    How interesting.

    Sara Palin is our best hope to take our country back from the road to neo-socialism with globalist flavor that the Liberal establishment is so vigorously trying to push us on.

    Note. Who in McCain/Palin campaign chose this “Pontius Pilate” Charles Gibson as the interviewer (or interrogator) of Sarah? That person should be fired right away, or else he/she will inflict even more damage to our best hope for the change we need, Sarah Palin.

    As for me, I am going to boycott all the companies that advertise on ABC until Charlie Gibson is removed from his post. I have a good reason to believe that this is the only language in which I can express my opinion of their journalism that they can understand.

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4998

  362. Jus finished a rerun of Hillary’s convention speech and I feel so sad that this national treasure was passed over and defrauded by the evil three at the DNC,Dean,Brazille and Pelosi.They managed to insert a totally unprepared and unvetted power hungry into the fore of this crucial election and betray the American people as well.God help us if Obama becomes the CIC.Hillary is by far the finest candidate of them all.McCaon and Palin would be far better for the country than Mr.Obama.He is on a downward slide and each time he speaks he sinks deeper into the hole filled with the great failures of the political system.He injected himself into to race with more money from unknown sources and we do not yet know who he is,where he is from,who are his surrogates,what is their agenda,and what will our great country resemble if he is permitted to occupy the Oval Office.Lots of things to worry about in this troubled world at this dangerous time.It is time for both parties to unite and do what is best for the country regardless of of the differences we maintain.Obama is one dangerous unknown that must be stopped as the international power brokers are hard at work to move in and control us and our economy.As I listened to Hillary I felt as though we are being robbed of her experience,her love for her country and its people and no doubt the most eligible and qualified person of them all.What a tragedy that we have allowed the MSM,the DNC and the RNC to take over our priceless votes and leave us feeling dirty and used by these evil corporations and political hacks.It is still not too late to correct this horrible scenario and we must do so NOW.

    By ABM90 Her time must be NOW

  363. Obama Has Lost His Mojo
    By Nancy Morgan Saturday, September 13, 2008

    A new ad from the Obama campaign ridicules John McCain for not using the Internet, perhaps not realizing that McCain’s war injuries leave him unable to use a keyboard. This ad comes on the heels of Obama’s ‘lipstick on a pig’ controversy, which is still fueling late night talk shows. The lipstick controversy came on the heels of another Obama gaffe, when he artlessly referred to “my Muslim faith.”

    The Obama gaffes are piling up, and we’re not even counting his VP pick, Biden, who himself is racking up an impressive number of ‘oops’ moments. Poor Obama is definitely having a bad week.

    The media anointed Messiah, the man the world would like to elect president, has gone from playing offense to playing defense. And he’s not playing well.

    Obama is a charismatic, compelling figure. His appeal is undeniable, as long as he is presented in a multi-million dollar staged setting with teleprompters and a prepared speech. Take him out of this element however, and the contrast is as shocking as seeing Ms. America sans make-up on a bad hair day. Complete with morning breath.

    No where is the contrast greater than this video clip of Obama in a townhall meeting. His words are confusing, his body language defensive. His coat is off and his sleeves are rolled up, in what appears to be an attempt to be as one with the working man. It doesn’t work. Instead, Obama looks rumpled, frayed and clueless.

    He apologizes for his lack of coherence by explaining that he had a late night, which doesn’t bode well for any future 3AM moments.

    After months of media adulation, world attention and surging poll numbers, Obama has hit a speed bump on the road to assuming his rightful place as America’s president. That speed bump is Sarah Palin. In the blink of an eye, the novelty of Obama’s race has given way to the novelty of Sarah’s gender. Point, counterpoint.

    With Sarah Palin on the scene, the Obama camp loses a valuable asset, the race card. Charges of racism for those stupid enough not to vote for Obama can now be credibly countered with the sexism card. Obama is finding out that life isn’t fair and that what goes around, comes around.

    Obama is now playing defense. Instead of blessing the great unwashed with his pearls of wisdom, he finds himself reacting instead of acting. He has turned from the agent of change to the agent of the perpetual whine.

    John McCain has stolen his slogan. Everyone knows Obama owns the ‘change’ mantra and its just not fair for McCain to co-opt it. And besides, Sarah Palin is lying and McCain is so stupid he can’t use the internet.

    The attacks from Obama are not playing well in Peoria. In fact, the backlash is hurting Obama and throwing Democrats into a frenzy as more women, independents and Democrats switch their allegiance to McCain. Oh, the fickleness of it all.

    What has become increasingly clear is that Obama seems incapable of embracing change. His political playbook was written 20 years ago and Obama is sticking to it. He doesn’t realize that the game has changed. The media is, gasp, under fire for being so blatantly in Obama’s corner. The polls in battleground states are starting to lean towards McCain and the presidential tracking polls have McCain ahead by 3. Palinmania has replaced Obamamania. This wasn’t supposed to happen.

    In politics, perception is reality and Obama’s reality is changing.

    The first major decision presidential nominee Barack Obama made was to pick Joe Biden as his running mate. To millions of Americans, this signaled politics as usual, not the change Obama was promising.

    The policies Obama supports, now that he has been forced to give specifics, are clearly the timeworn democrat positions: higher taxes, more government, abortion on demand, and promising (money) cures for yet to be manufactured crisis’. This is Obama’s platform. The only change is the messenger. And the messenger is off his game.

    Millions of Americans know something the experts, pollsters and pundits don’t yet know. The evidence of their own eyes tells them what legions of experts refuse to acknowledge. Obama has lost his mojo. That’s both the perception and the reality.

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4999

  364. Granholm to play Palin in Biden debate prep
    By Ed Brayton 9/13/08 9:08 AM

    The New York Times political blog reports that Gov. Jennifer Granholm will be playing the part of Sarah Palin in practice debates with Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden.

    She’s certainly qualified. Like Palin, Granholm is a former small-town beauty queen; she was Miss San Carlos, California long ago. And as a Canadian, she can probably do a fairly good impression of the accent, which always reminds me of the movie Fargo.

    Unlike Palin, however, Granholm has some serious academic credentials — graduating from Berkeley as a Phi Beta Kappa and from Harvard Law School. She can prepare for the role of Palin by watching the movie Liar, Liar.

    http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4356/granholm-to-play-palin-in-biden-debate-prep
    *****************************************************
    And the elitest slams continues in the media. Keep digging that hole for Obama.

    Western States think their schools are just as good as those on the east coast.

    Don’t you love the classism expressed in this short article…from not giving Gov. Sarah Palin her respect due as the Rep. vp candidate, then there is the beauty queen slam to her choice of University.

  365. carbynew, their elitism makes me ill. Most voters in America know someone like this – someone who walks around with that huge sense of entitlement, with an air of being somehow so much intrinsically better than everyone else because they went to this or that school.

    And we don’t like it.

  366. Carby: I am so disgusted and disheartened by the media, that it is very challenging to watch anything political. What a divisive and polarizing election season. The DNC leadership made a mockery of this election, which is unforgiveable.

  367. When I get sick of the media bulls**T, I go and do some gardening. It does help for a time.

    I can’t wait for this election to be over because the real work for change begin.

  368. This just posted 34 min ago:

    Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain
    Barack Obama and his senior advisers are under fire for ignoring the advice of Democratic senators and governors who are concerned that they do not know how to beat John McCain.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2909844/Barack-Obama-under-fire-for-ignoring-advice-on-how-to-beat-John-McCain.html

    The Democratic presidential candidate’s slump in the polls has sparked pointed private criticism that he is squandering a once-in-a-generation chance to win back the White House.

    Party elders also believe the Obama camp is in denial about warnings from Democratic pollsters that his true standing is four to six points lower than that in published polls because of hidden racism from voters – something that would put him a long way behind Mr McCain.

    The Sunday Telegraph has learned that senators, governors and union leaders who have experience of winning hard-fought races in swing states have been bombarding Obamas campaign headquarters with telephone calls offering advice. But many of those calls have not been returned.

    A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph: “These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They’re the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won’t accept that they are losing and they won’t listen.”

    After leading throughout the year, Mr Obama now trails Mr McCain by two to three points in national polls.

    Party leaders and commentators say that the Democrat candidate spent too much of the summer enjoying his own popularity and not enough defining his positions on the economy – the number one issue for voters – or reaching out to those blue collar workers whose votes he needs if he is to beat Mr McCain.

    Others concede that his trip to Europe was a distraction that enhanced his celebrity status rather than his electability on Main Street, USA.

    Since Sarah Palin was unveiled as Mr McCain’s running mate, the Obama camp has faced accusations that it has been pushed off message and has been limp in responding to attacks.

    A Democratic National Committee official told The Sunday Telegraph: “I really find it offensive when Democrats ask the Republicans not to be nasty to us, which is effectively what Obama keeps doing. They know thats how the game is played.”

    Mr Obama tried to answer that critique on Friday when he responded in kind, issuing an attack advert depicting his Republican opponent as out of touch and mocking the 72-year-old Mr McCain’s confession that he does not know how to use email.

    He rammed home the point during a rally in New Hampshire, pointing out Mr McCains recent admission that he was divorced from some of the challenges of ordinary Americans.

    Mr Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, called it the first day of the rest of the campaign.

    But that was the fourth time in the last nine months that Mr Obamas team have been forced to declare that the gloves are coming off. And Mr Plouffe’s dismissal of Democratic doubts as hand-wringing and bed-wetting only served to reinforce the growing doubts about what some see as a bunker mentality among Obamas inner circle – where outside advice, even from highly experienced people, is not welcomed.

    The Democratic strategist told The Sunday Telegraph: “They think they know best. They don’t return calls. There are governors and senators calling them up with ideas. They don’t get back to them.

    “These are senior people from the border states and the South who know how to beat Republicans, and they’re being ignored. They ignored everyone during the primaries and they came through it, so they think they can do the same again.”

    Mr Obama has never won an electoral contest against a strong Republican candidate. David Axelrod, his chief strategist has been hailed as a political genius for beating the Clinton machine, but Democrats now point out that he has never run a successful campaign in the heartland states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Virginia, which will decide the election. His expertise is in mobilising young, educated and black voters in urban areas.

    Mark Cunningham of the New York Post summed up the private views of many: “If it suddenly seems like the Obama campaign doesn’t have any idea what it’s doing, maybe that’s because it doesn’t.”

    Party elders are also studying internal polling material which warns the Obama camp that his true standing is worse than it appears in polls because voters lie to polling companies about their reluctance to vote for a black candidate. The phenomenon is known in the US as the Bradley effect, after Tom Bradley, a black candidate for governor of California who lost after leading comfortably in polls.

    The strategist said: “I’ve seen memos where they’ve been told to factor in four to six points for the Bradley effect, but they’re in denial about it.

    They say the polls also underestimate the enthusiasm of young voters and African Americans and they believe that balances things out. But that’s a wing and a prayer stuff. There’s previous evidence for the Bradley effect.”

    Other Democrats are openly mocking of Mr Obama’s much vaunted “50-state strategy”, in which he spends money campaigning throughout the US in the hope that it will force Mr McCain to divert funds to previously safe states. Critics say a utopian belief in bringing the nation together has trumped the cold electoral calculus that is necessary to triumph in November.

    Doug Schoen, a former pollster for Bill Clinton, last week declared it insanity not to concentrate resources on the swing states.

    The Democratic strategist said: “My Republican friends think its mad. Before Sarah Palin came along we were investing money in Alaska, for Christ’s sake, that could have been spent in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    “It assumes Republicans are stupid and, when it comes to winning elections, they’re not.”

    The one thing everyone agrees the Obama camp have woken up to is the toxic effect on their chances of Mrs Palin’s arrival on the national scene. Polls show that white women voters, attracted to her down home virtues, now support Mr McCain by a margin of 12 points, the same lead among white women that George W. Bush enjoyed over John Kerry in 2004. Until recently, Mr Obama led among that group of voters by six points.

    A senior aide to one of the most powerful Democrats in the House of Representatives voiced the fears of many: “Palin doesn’t just play to the Republican base. She has much broader appeal.”

    The aide said that her repeated mockery of Mr Obama’s boasts about his time as a community organiser in Chicago are “the most effective criticisms of Barack Obama we have yet seen.” He said: “Americans in small and medium size towns dont know what the hell a community organiser is. Real Americans graduate from high school or college and get a job that pays a wage. Campus radicals go off and organise a community.”

    Peggy Noonan, the former Reagan speechwriter, blamed the defection of women voters from Mr Obama on the atom bomb of ritual abuse by left-wing bloggers and Democratic officials, painting Mrs Palin as a bad mother and religious weirdo.

    Ms Noonan wrote: “The snobbery of it, the meanness of it, reminded the entire country, for the first time in a decade, what it is they don’t like about the Left.”

    The Republican strategist Dan Schnur said that the effect was to repel blue collar, family-oriented voters. “They didn’t like Obama in the primaries and voted for Hillary. And they still don’t like him now so they’re voting for Palin.

    “Obama can still win these voters over, but his difficulty in establishing an emotional connection with them is probably his greatest challenge between now and election day.”

    On Thursday Mr Obama did take advice from Bill Clinton, who is understood to have suggested ways to show those workers that he cares, an area where the former president excelled.

    But it is a measure of his plight that the man who derailed the ambitions of Mrs Clinton, the most powerful woman in Democratic politics, now needs help from her husband to overcome the popularity of another alpha female who may be an even greater risk to his White House ambitions.

  369. September 13, 2008
    Diageo/Hotline Tracking Poll: Signs Of The Recapture

    John McCain and Sarah Palin have recaptured their lead in today’s Diageo/Hotline tracking poll. The GOP ticket now holds a 45-44% advantage over Obama/Biden, a flip-flop from the Dems’ 45-44% margin one day ago.

    Earlier in the week, in the survey completed 9/10, McCain/Palin led by 2%, while the candidates were tied on 9/9 and 9/7. The GOPers also led 45-44% on 9/8.

    Since yesterday’s release, McCain/Palin expanded their leads among Inds and men to double-digits. Margins among GOPers, Dems and women meanwhile remained relatively constant:

    Now 9/9-11
    GOP Ind Dem Men Wom GOP Ind Dem Men Wom

    McCain/Palin 89% 45% 11% 51% 40% 88% 43% 10% 49% 41%
    Obama/Biden 5 35 82 39 48 4 37 83 40 49
    Undec 6 19 7 8 11 7 18 6 10 9

    Today’s survey, conducted 9/10-12 by FD, is the sixth daily installment tracking the two tickets. Party ID breakdown for the 912 RV sample is 42%D, 35%R, 20%I. The data carries a margin of error of +/- 3.2%.

    (MATTHEW GOTTLIEB)

    hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/09/diageohotline_t_4.html

  370. Great article;

    warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/no-laughing-matter/

    also;

    “What Makes People Vote Republican?”
    edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html

  371. dija: Great article. Arrogance will be BO’s downfall. If Bo hasn’t learned to connect to the middle class by now, it may be too late, despite Bill Clinton’s advice.

  372. Carby: I saw this from a poster on Riverdaughter. You might be interested. It goes along with what you have been saying. I don’t see it-yet.

    “McCain has started tv ads here in CA. 3. I think he has internal polling that is telling him something. He has limited funds so he is not going to spend them in states that have no promise. CA is one of the biggest and most expensive media markets.”

  373. McCain Attacks Obama Over Venezuela
    By Glenn Kessler

    Sen. John McCain today blasted the expulsion of the U.S. ambassador from Venezuela — and at the same time the Republican presidential nominee sharply attacked his Democratic rival for suggesting he would meet with Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez during his first year in office.

    Relations between the two countries have been particularly strained in recent days as U.S. officials have accused Venezuela of falling short in the war on drugs, including claiming three top Chavez aides of helping Colombian guerrillas traffic cocaine and topple the Colombian government. Chavez expelled the ambassador Thursday — and the U.S quickly ordered the Venezuelan ambassador to leave — after Bolivian President Evo Morales ousted the U.S. ambassador after claiming Washington was plotting to overthrow his government.

    “I am deeply disappointed by the decision of Venezuela’s government to expel U.S. Ambassador Duddy,” McCain said in a statement “This diplomatic escalation, which follows Bolivia’s expulsion of the American ambassador there, reminds us anew of the dangerous trends in our own hemisphere.”

    McCain asserted that he has “worked with America’s allies in order to strengthen our relationships in this crucial region, one to which so many American citizens have deep economic, family and cultural ties.”

    By contrast, he said, Sen. Barak Obama “calls for meeting directly and unconditionally with the region’s worst tyrants…. Rather than focus on strengthening America’s ties with friends and allies, he has pledged to sit down with dictators in Venezuela and Cuba in the first year of his presidency. Such a course of action would undermine our democratic allies and embolden anti-American dictators. The United States, and our partners throughout Latin America, cannot afford Senator Obama’s brand of unilateralism that rewards Hugo Chavez and his dangerous despotism.”

    In July 2007, Obama was asked during the CNN-YouTube debate a specific question: “Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?”

    Obama answered, “I would” — generating controversy and grief for the candidate ever since.

    In May, Obama amended his remarks to downplay the notion of meetings within the first year and making it clear an agenda would need to be set before any presidential summit: “The point is that I would not refuse to meet until they agree to every position that we want.” he said. “But that doesn’t mean that we would not have preparation, and the preparation would involve starting with low level — lower-level diplomatic contacts…. But what I have said is that at some point I would be willing to meet.”

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/12/mccain_attacks_obama_over_vene.html
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    When it come right down to it….do you really ENTRUST Obama with your family SAFTY and SECURITY?

  374. from that Sunday Telegraph article reference by djia:

    “Mr Plouffe’s dismissal of Democratic doubts as hand-wringing and bed-wetting only served to reinforce the growing doubts about what some see as a bunker mentality among Obamas inner circle – where outside advice, even from highly experienced people, is not welcomed.

    The Democratic strategist told The Sunday Telegraph: “They think they know best. They don’t return calls. There are governors and senators calling them up with ideas. They don’t get back to them.”

    ******
    and if it’s like this now, what will it be like when there’s a Pres Obama? seriously, the guy will think he is the Messiah then and no one advises the Messiah.

  375. djia Says:
    September 13th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    This just posted 34 min ago:

    Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain
    Barack Obama and his senior advisers are under fire for ignoring the advice of Democratic senators and governors who are concerned that they do not know how to beat John McCain.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2909844/Barack-Obama-under-fire-for-ignoring-advice-on-how-to-beat-John-McCain.html

    ——————————–
    So we again have to across the Atlantic to get real assessment. I don’t think the media has done Obama any favors here and they have in fact hurt him all along with their blind adulation.

  376. birdgal Says:

    September 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    Carby: I saw this from a poster on Riverdaughter. You might be interested. It goes along with what you have been saying. I don’t see it-yet.

    “McCain has started tv ads here in CA. 3. I think he has internal polling that is telling him something. He has limited funds so he is not going to spend them in states that have no promise. CA is one of the biggest and most expensive media markets.”
    *****************************************************
    McCain/Palin should campaign in CA, you would be surprise at how weak Obama is here.

    Obama support is soft.

  377. CountTheVotes Says:
    September 13th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    from that Sunday Telegraph article reference by djia:

    “Mr Plouffe’s dismissal of Democratic doubts as hand-wringing and bed-wetting only served to reinforce the growing doubts about what some see as a bunker mentality among Obamas inner circle – where outside advice, even from highly experienced people, is not welcomed.

    The Democratic strategist told The Sunday Telegraph: “They think they know best. They don’t return calls. There are governors and senators calling them up with ideas. They don’t get back to them.”

    ******
    and if it’s like this now, what will it be like when there’s a Pres Obama? seriously, the guy will think he is the Messiah then and no one advises the Messiah
    —————————
    It is a myth that Obama’s campaign was this highly effective campaign during the primary and that they took the mighty Clinton machine down. We all know how they got the votes in the primary through skulduggery and of course the media village people never want to admit that. The inadequacies of the Obama campaign in the primary were hidden from the rest of the public by the media and now they are coming to the fore as he struggles in the polls.

    Democrats thought the republican brand was so damaged that people flock to Dems no matter what, no
    matter how weak the Democratic candidate. Therein lies the folly. People are thinking Bush is an anomaly for the republicans and McCain is smart to reinforce that message. He is also smart in the way he is doing it subtly enough that he is not alienating any leftover Bush supporters. OTH, the Dem candidate Obama is all about throwing different people under the bus at different times. Sometimes I wonder when people glorify his political skills, if they are for real.

  378. # rjk1957 Says:
    September 13th, 2008 at 8:02 am

    McCain cuts Obama’s lead to 3% points in NJ
    &&&&&&&&

    I’m from Joisey. NObama.

    Hillary won here 55-45% (just like CA). Do the math. If the national trends apply to HRC supporters, 51% will support Obama, 27% will vote for McCain, and 21% will stay home or vote for or write in some other candidate.

    Let’s assume NJ is 60% Dem (it’s blue, but not THAT blue, of a state), but of the 55% that were HRC voters (33% of New Jerseyans), half won’t vote for Obama (16.5%). Of that, 9% would cross over to vote FOR McCain, and
    7% not support Obama.

    Of the 60% of Dems, Obama’s slice of the pie would therefore be 43.5% (60% Dems, -16.5%).

    If McCain gets 90% of Repubs (that may be a little high, but maybe not, and we’re already starting off with a high assumption for Dems being 60%), that gives him 36% from Repubs and the 9% crossover HRC folks = 45%.

    And we haven’t even yet seen a debate…

    And the trend has been Obama losing ground consistently: 16% lead in June, down to 6% a week ago, down to 3% now?!!

    NJ, quite a Dem state, supported Reagan. McCain might not be a great candidate, but definitely good, trustworthy, and is proving to be a good fighter. It’s Obama that is a terrible candidate.

    I think NJ might be McCain’s.

    Now let’s talk about the biggest prize of all: California.

    I don’t believe for one second that CA (who supported Reagan, and voted against Obama 55-45% in the primary) is solidly in Obama’s column. Latinos, women, the “Red State” part of Cal., should put this state into play. Almost any other Dem would keep it. I think Obama will manage to throw this state as well.

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