Hillary! Please Save Us!

Barack Obama, his Chicago thugs, and Joe Biden want Hillary Clinton to save them and then go to the back of the bus.

The Obama Hopium snorters really really believed that Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton supporters would cough up $300 million in donations, bring in the white working class vote, bring in women voters, bring in the big Democratic blue states, and fall in line as part of the celestial choir in praise of the messiah from Chicago.

Screw that.

Hillary supporters say: NObama, NOvember – and we will continue to communicate that message to all our fellow Democrats and independents in swing states and blue states and even in red states. Using all the oh so very modern techniques the Hopium eaters know about, such as very inexpensive emails (yup, emails) we will communicate our simple message: NObama, NOvember.

Big Media and the Hopium eaters celebrated when they imposed the unqualified Obama on the Democratic grassroots. Big Media and the Hopium easters celebrated even more when perennial candidate for president and perennial loser Joe Biden became a made member of the Chicago thug machine. Biden, you will recall, was supposed to be the Obama attack dog. No longer.

According to a Republican source at Politico, McCain knows Biden well. He knows how good he is as a knife fighter. He’ll take McCain apart. No longer.

Biden is too interested in his own “brand” to rescue Obama’s brand – New Coke meets fizzed out coke.

Obama can’t say he is surprised (though the Hopium eaters must certainly be surprised because they rejoiced at the “attack dog” coming on board to rescue the “won’t fight” Obama). Apparently Joe Biden the perennial loser agreed to run with Obama but only after Obama was forced to agree that VP Biden would NOT campaign in the traditional “attack dog” mode:

Unlike almost every other presidential running mate in recent political memory, “I’m not going to be an attack dog,” Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden told USA TODAY here. [snip]

Biden said he and Obama agreed on his high-road campaign approach. “That was part of the deal,” Biden said. “I’m not going to fool with my brand.”

Joe Biden is bailing. Biden the perennial loser recognizes a fellow loser in Obama. So, Joe, is on the go. Biden won’t “fool” with his brand. Biden will also continue to run for his U.S. Senate seat – Biden knows Obama will concede in NOvember. If Obama’s #1 knows Obama is a loser and is ready to lose why should anyone put their reputations on the line for loser Obama?

Like a number of other vice presidential candidates before him, Biden is running for re-election at the same time he is seeking the vice presidency.

Biden will soon be back in the Senate polishing his “brand”. Obama will soon be back in the Senate polishing his brand. They will sit in the back of the Senate chamber polishing each others “brand”.

Hillary will be laughing at the both of them as she grows in influence and power – which is another reason Obama/Biden have in trying to get Hillary to do their dirty work. But Hillary is not stupid.

Hillary will not be anyone’s “dog”.

But she’s been very careful to avoid saying harsh things against her good friend from Arizona, who was among the first to welcome and show the former first lady around the old-boys club of the Senate on her arrival in 2001.

In fact, during last winter-spring’s Democratic primary campaigns, Clinton lavished considerable praise on McCain for the lifetime of experience he would bring to the White House while Obama, she said dismissively, only “has a speech he gave in 2002.”

On Saturday in New York, reporters eager for a story about a fight between the two female politicians set Clinton up several times to take easy swings at the 44-year-old reform governor, who blew away the Republican National Convention crowd with her speech Wednesday night about her running mate, her own life and some mocking views of Obama.

But Clinton would not bite. Or swing. Not once.

Hillary cannot and will not “save” losers Obama/Biden.

From our comments section:

If the CBS and/or Survey USA polls have any validity Republican registration will catch up to Dem indentifiers real soon. As things proceed it does not matter what Hillary or Obama surrogates do. Obama is likely in real trouble in the very 18 states his campaign has identified as Obama targets.

Appearances by Hillary are not particularly helpful to Obama.

Every appearance by Hillary reminds Hillary supporters that Hillary should have been the nominee. Every appearance by Hillary reminds undecided voters that Hillary has said some truthful things about Obama during the primaries.

Hillary appearances are placebos that placate desperate Obama supporters and especially Obama supporters in Big Media. Other than temporarily calming those sad creatures, Hillary appearances do not help Obama get votes – quite the contrary.

Those who want to hurt Obama should continue to demonstrate full public fealty and admiration, if not love, for Hillary. Demonstrations of allegiance to Hillary (like the one-quarter of Dem delegates) hurts Obama more than anything else we can do.

While it is frustrating – to us – to see Hillary surrounded by repulsive Obama signs, let’s simply remember that any appearance by Hillary invites comparison to that boob Obama. Obama suffers when compared to Hillary (and now to Governor Palin). Recall the Hillary speech at the convention – the real message was not Hillary’s words, but rather how wonderful Hillary is even when saying something patently ridiculous like touting unqualified Obama.

Also, Governor Sarah Palin is now an additional powerful reminder that what passes as the Democratic Party made an historic mistake in snubbing women in general and Hillary in particular.

Our message to Big Media and to everyone we know should be something like: “Hillary Forever, Obama Never”.

Hillary is nobody’s dog. Hillary Clinton will not save the unqualified, inexperienced, untrustworthy, race-baiting, gay-bashing, woman hating Barack Obama. And how dare any Obama supporter think so.

In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked. [snip]

So, let’s get this straight. They didn’t choose her and her 18 million voters to put on the ticket. They gave the VP spot to Joe Biden. But now that Sarah Palin has arrived on the political scene, they’re promoting Hillary as the female answer to the Republican VP nominee. Awkward, to say the least.

And as one female democratic strategist tells me, don’t think that Hillary hasn’t noticed.

Obama can’t be saved. Obama is not qualified to be president. Obama cannot be trusted by friend or foe. Contrary to myth Obama is NOT articulate. Obama blames his many mistakes on the “staff”. The acronym WORM (What Obama Really Meant) applies to many of Obama’s supposedly well thought out, written, statements (“Attack Pakistan!) as well as his constant clumsiness expressing his ad lib “thoughts”. Obama, like Joe Biden, is a gaffe machine. Obama’s biggest enemy is Obama.

Hillary won’t and can’t save the boob that is Obama.

The more Americans see and hear from Hillary Clinton the more convinced they are that Obama is a Big Media tool – and a boob.

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547 thoughts on “Hillary! Please Save Us!

  1. Yup! dead on as usual, admin. That is why it does not bother me to see her campaign for him, because she is campaigning for DEMOCRATIC VALUES, and she both articulates and is a living example of them so well, that he PALES in comparison.

    Hill campaigning for him only makes HIM look bad.

    No matter what she says on the stump about voting for him, IT’S THE CONTRAST THAT KILLS, and that voters remember.

  2. I think Hillary took some lessons from John McCain. In 2000, Rove/Bush trashed John’s family to the “religious” right and trashed his war record to the VFW crowd in SC. Remember his 1/2 AA illegitimate daughter and implied that McCain “sold out” his fellow POWs. After that he smiled and soldiered on…now who has the last laugh?? The Hill in ’12!

  3. had read on another blog that Bill Clinton invited BO to a luncheon on Sept 11, since both BO and McCain will be in NYC at the time…

    I have to say, it is often cringe-worthy to see both Clintons help this Fraud, considering what was done to them. Bill better tell the twit – if I am to campaign for you, you better denounce the race-baiting card you played against me.

    Still – tough to watch Hillary and Bill do anything for him. Just want to plug my ears and go: la, la, la, la.

  4. Funny now Drudge keeps changing his story now its

    NYT PREPARES TO FRONT DETAILED STORY ON PALIN’S BABY

    no longer an expose, i bet the NYT has probably decided not to do a hit piece but maybe a good piece about her to bring in the readers. they saw what happened with US weekly.

  5. hehe, knowing its Bill clinton, he’ll have lunch , make bambi pay and then say, you’re screwed sonny, nothing i can do to fix your shit.

  6. Maybe things work out for the best and Obama saved Hillary from having the historical reputation of the “Herbert Hoover” of the 21st century. The economy is going over the cliff and won’t hit bottom for two to three years. Whoever is elected on Nov 4 won’t be able to change that fact; no more than Hoover could have prevented the Great Depression. The next President will be one term no matter who it is. The public won’t blame Bush, the blame will go, most likely to McCain/Palin. 2012 is Hillary’s destination with history, if she so chooses. (Another possibility is that i am full of sh*t)

  7. I hope the NYTimes gets 200,000 emails telling them to go shove it in the a*ses of the Daily Kooks where they seem to be getting all their detailed “research” and “credible anonymous” sources.

  8. Holy Shit, no wonder Bambis worried

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

    New Gallup Poll: Convention lifts McCain over Obama (54%-44% among Likely Voters)

    In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both sample

    McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters, the Republican’s biggest advantage since January and a turnaround from the USA TODAY poll taken just before the convention opened in St. Paul. Then, he lagged by 7 percentage points.

  9. moon, if BO was leading by 7, and now McCain leads by 4, then that is an 11 point swing among registered voters! That is HUGE!

  10. I just read something hilarious.

    My friend just said “he’s always messing things up, i’m waiting for him to messup and say , thats above my gay parade.”

  11. yeah but the likely voters is the real figure to watch, a 10 point gap, and there was a line in there they should be worried about.

    “The convention bounce has helped not only McCain but also attitudes toward Republican congressional candidates and the GOP in general.

    This is hauling the GOP numbers up hugely.

  12. ever underestimate the media folks, if they think Bambi is going to lose and lose in a big way, they will jump as quick as lemmings onto McCains bandwagon goodlist.

    They don’t want shutting out in a administration, they are not dumb.

  13. The big problem Obama is having is not that Mccain/Palin are surging, it is that his brand of Kool-aid does not last long enough. What I mean is Obama had a lot of time to spend in each primary state and hype up the youth vote. Now that we are into the fall campaign the amount of time he has to spend in each state is limited and the Kool-aid wears off much too quickly. College students are back at school with more on their minds than “The Obama”. They have classes, football games and yes new loves (sorry Barry, not you) to occupy their thoughts now. Just as in past elections the huge registration numbers of college students we saw back in February and March are not going to turn into votes in November. Younger voters have short attention spans which means Obama is in trouble. Maybe we can get Ann Margaret to do a McCain ad singing not “Bye Bye Birdie” but “Bye Bye Barry”

  14. Drudges Headline is now

    NYT Meet the baby.

    I’m beginning to think the NYT is going to cash in on Palin ascending star.

  15. Admin,

    LMAO at this:

    “Biden will soon be back in the Senate polishing his “brand”. Obama will soon be back in the Senate polishing his brand. They will sit in the back of the Senate chamber polishing each others “brand”.

    BTW, Who IS gonna get drafted as BO’s attack dog? My money’s on Michelle. 👿

  16. Yeah, young voters, they are too fickle, he was warned, most of them are probably going “man bama’s not cool anymore, but that palin woman is hot”

  17. Admin,

    Another great one! And I would just like to say how much I continue to learn from you and the other posters here on a daily basis.

    You guys rock!!!

  18. shv,

    I kind of agree. Let McCain/Palin do some cleanup — starting with chasing Obama back to whereever he really came from, and the DNC he rode in on, too!

    Then HIllary start her turn in 2012. With Palin coming along on a fast track for 2020.

    We might just end up with BOTH parties reformed and the economy cleaned and mended too.

  19. Obama’s in distress.

    ABC Radio news a few hours ago had Obama pleading that the campaigns quit, “Comparing resumes…” said that is not what Americans want to hear.

    I smell fear.

  20. moon: Isn’t that what has been going on for the past 1.5 years? Comparing or criticizing resumes? What a doofus.

  21. Some are reporting the McCain Palin rally in CO drew 20-30,000.

    here’s a pic.

    gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/09/sarah-palin-in-the-arena-in-colorado-spr

  22. Certainly the Dems internals show the same trend…..their desperate.

    Today Obama challenged McCain to a FP debate????? McCain asked for townhall meetings all summer w/ BHO and was ignored.

    They know the numbers!

  23. moononpluto Says:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm
    New Gallup Poll: Convention lifts McCain over Obama (54%-44% among Likely Voters)

    ===============

    Now here’s a point about those ‘Likely Voters’. Early summer polls that did a break down among Hillary supporters found about half of them supporting Obama, 3 million voting for McCain, and 4-6 million planning to protest by staying home!

    So if the poll begins by asking if they are likely to vote, and discards everyone who says they’re staying home — then it’s missing a lot of anti-Obama people out there.

  24. Honestly, y’all?

    As a Hillary fan, I am *OFFENDED* that *ANYONE* thought she would play “attack dog” for B.O. – or anybody at all anywhere, anytime. She has AMPLY demonstrated over the course of her extensive career as a public servant that she is FAR ABOVE THAT.

    Hillary NEVER takes the low road. NEVER. Shame on ANYONE who thought she might.

    >:(

  25. Talk about Premature Barackulation.

    Shooting your load too early and ending up with a mess.

    Totally perfect description of Obama’s campaign.

  26. moon, LOL

    Here’s an EXCELLENT analogy about what Palin managed to do to BO in a 40 minute speech. (NQ)

    Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-09-07 18:36:25

    Sarah Palin in under 40 minutes at the Republican National Convention tore apart the myth that Barack obama, his campaign and the Main Stream media and Complicit Democratic Leadership spent years building.

    Sarah Palin, like the child who stood during the parading of the emperor, said “Look, the Emperor has no clothes.”

    Finally someone entered the fray and with simple words and straight talk told the truth.

    No matter what you convictions, if you value truth as an american, you should be grateful to Palin for having the guts to stand infront of the world and tell the truth about the Fauxbama.

  27. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    moon, if BO was leading by 7, and now McCain leads by 4, then that is an 11 point swing among registered voters! That is HUGE!

    Hence the in-fighting between BTD and Jeralyn. BTD wants to see some changes and mentioned the 11-point swing. Jeralyn things anything critical of Bo & co was pro-McCain.

  28. Devastating Gallup poll. I don’t usually trust Gallup though. Bush also got a big bounce after convention, but he squandered it entirely after horrible debates. Fortunately, McCain is a better debater than Bambi. Withou teleprompted speech, the means for obama to reverse course are dwindling by the second.

  29. I saw a poll on a website today in upstate NY showing McCain winning by 85 percent lol!

    I cant find it now.

  30. Unlike 2004, I don’t think OH and FL will be a factor. OH looks like it’s going to McCain and FL with popular Crist and Dem voters who feel snubbed, might just put McCain over.

    PA might become very crucial. As Biden said, BO must win PA.

  31. I think the press has finally realised going anti-palin is making things worse, i wonder if bambi’s lot have told them to stop.

  32. filbertsf Says:

    September 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    Well, I believe BO & Co believe they’re going to capture traditionally red states.

    Well, we’ll see.

  33. Didn’t BO announce yesterday that it was going to shift focus to PA?

    I think they’re gunning for PA. They have to.

  34. If we Bambi virtually ignoring places and start camping out in places like PA, we know he’s written of most places.

  35. moon, can you post a few of the du comments, please?

    btw, I now live in upstate NY and this is strong HRC territory. There is NO WAY BO competes here. And this area is much like most of rural PA.

  36. Moon, I took a look at DU. What a bunch of looneys. Here are some samples:

    Unbelievable. I am really starting to worry.

    Not just these polls. But Obama just seems off his game the last few days.

    His gaffes are getting more noticeable.

    Why is he focusing on Palin? Obama, you are running against McCain.

    All this Palin rumor mongering is just getting her more free press and sympathy.

    Maybe time to dump Biden and go begging back to Hillary to join the ticket.

  37. I thout it was OH. I think the headline was Obama see’s hope in OH. I thought well he had better see hope there because if McCain wins OH and FL, he’s rather hopeless.

  38. PA is hurting as much as MI b/c of the economic downturn. People are antsy. If McCain can present himself as a strong economic leader, they may well swing to him.

    Henry is also from PA. Maybe he can give us a pulse of the state of PA.

  39. Birdgal, its hilarious over there, they are begging Hillary to come save them, I mean its sad.

    I hope Hillary just stays the fuck out of it now. She’d be mad to get involved.

  40. Watching McCain’s life story on CNN – very interesting. He reminds me a bit of my husband, who was also a Navy Commander, his dad was a Naval officer as well, and who is a big misbehaving misanthrope. But he is a good man.

  41. I actually do know people on the campaign.
    They’ve been eerily overconfident.

    do you understand much about the Electoral College?
    it’s how the President is actually elected, not these cheesy national polls which are always all over the place and make no sense.

    Go look at some state by state polls and realize that Obama needs

    Kerry states + New Mexico, Colorado & Iowa to win.

    right now he’s about 13 points up in New Mexico and Iowa and about 5-6 points up in the last poll in Colorado.

    the only Kerry state that is close is Michigan and Obama still leads there.

    He also leads right now in recent polls of Ohio, Virignia, Florida, Nevada & North Dakota. If these states hold for him it will be a landslide regardless of what the MSM tells us the national polls are. Since when does any good Progressive trust the MSM?

    Right now, we really just have to close the deal. That’s it. Stay solid for the next 60 days. the Negativity out of you -and I’ve been noticing your posts for a while and this isn’t the first time I’ve responded- is totally unhelpful. As stated in other posts I’ve read, no matter how bleak it may look at any moment, the best weapon we have to beat McCain is our confidence and optimism that makes us keep fighting and putting our best time and energy into the fight regardless of the ups and downs, if you’re only here to piss on that hope and fighting spirit-then why are you here unless you are a Freeper? are you trying to work up some points so you can get the official John McCain golf set?

    The echo chamber ignores reality.
    I feel betrayed by Obama and his campaign.

    am trying to be realistic here. We expect McSame to get a bounce. But did we expect a net +17 point bounce?

    Personally, I think the race shifted after Obama’s European trip.

    Biden is no help at all, and almost invisible. No wonder McSame is getting a bounce.

    Obama blew it when he didn’t pick Hillary.

  42. # moononpluto Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    They just got the news over on DU about the new poll showing McCain 10 ahead, total and utter meltdown.

    I have a weak stomach..thanks for keeping track of the ‘bots.

  43. moon, OH is a fickle state. I don’t know. I think OH will swing to McCain, but I can’t say that definitively.

  44. Whoa

    I just heard this, is it true

    MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair… David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night…. Developing…

  45. moon: If that is true about KO and CM, I wonder if it has anything to do with ABC getting the interview with Palin? Those two have been complete jerk-offs. Maybe the campaign complained???

  46. Geez Obama,

    You sure didn’t mind comparing resumes or going for the jugular when the polls were going for you did you??? 😉

    As far as the media goes, they never learn by their mistakes. I can see them continuing to be attack dogs for the Obama campaign.

  47. The nutroots are trying to scare Republican voters: If McCain wins, you might end up with a woman President. That’s what all this crap about ‘a heartbeat from the Presidency’ is about. Obviously, it’s not about qualifications, since Palin is more qualified than Obama. The ‘progressives’ (lol!) are appealing to misogyny and getting nowhere.

    Hillary knows this is what they are doing. She should take her lesson from Queen Elizabeth, who was reluctant to behead another anointed Queen, Mary Queen of Scots for treason: Elizabeth didn’t want to set a precedent by executing an anointed queen. Hillary can back her party, but she cannot join in misogynist politics. And it is a direct appeal to misogyny.

  48. Its on Drudge, right now, apparently, i’ve heard that the networks believe McCain is going to win this and are shifting conservative, orders are coming down.

    There’s trouble brewing.

  49. mj, do you still post or visit mydd? is georgep still there? I always liked his writing. He’s the only thing that I miss about that place.

  50. # moononpluto Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Whoa
    I just heard this, is it true
    MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair… David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night…. Developing…

    Ruh..Roh..I told my ‘bot sister in April that the corporate media was setting Obama up and running Hill out…If KO and CM are out..it like Ha..Ha we sure fooled you!! This is the strangest election that I can remember.

  51. The argument that 4 more years of bad government is wearing thin. Yes the repubs have screwed up, but Pelosi and her tribe haven’t exactly made a name for themselves either…hence their horrendously low approval rating.

  52. Also, since Biden refused to be an attack dog, that means Obama needs to respond to Palin’s jabs. The GOP is exploiting that to their advantage.

  53. moonpluto, is it possible that KO and CM are still going to host their shows, but just will not anchor debates and election night coverage.

    That’s not the same thing as being fired. Means they might still be around.

  54. If Obama spends to much time on defense from Palin’s jabs, McCain is going to move right in…lol…checkmate.

    DNC??? Hillary is sure looking good right now isn’t she? 🙂

  55. Of course, the weaknesses McCain is exploiting are the ones Hillary wasn’t able to because her party and the MSM screamed every time she tried to point them out.

  56. birdgal,

    I’m a little lost, here.

    What do you mean – you know people on the Bo campaign?

    “I actually do know people on the campaign.
    They’ve been eerily overconfident.”

    And who is spewing negativity? Maybe i missed those posts?

  57. Lets see, if in the next few days there is a big swing in the media coverage to positive, then we will know something is really afoot.

  58. You can tell prissypants and princess are not going to take the demotion news lightly, this will be handbags at dawn.

  59. If this is confirmed, Hill probably told Obama to F*** off!

    “From ABC:

    “For now, according to Obama insiders, the Obama campaign, fearing a backlash, will not ask surrogates including Hillary Clinton to launch an all-out bashing of Palin. Instead, the Obama campaign will aim its heaviest artillery at McCain while waiting and hoping that Sarah Palin makes a mistake.”

  60. # filbertsf Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    If MessNBC had done this earlier, HRC would’ve been the candidate.

    If true, that was the idea….There is no way that GE would want Obama as President.

  61. New Jersey may be in play because of Palin now. NJ’s statewide radio staion NJ 101.5 has pretty much stayed out of politcs this year except for ocassional Hillary bashing is now gushing over Palin. Polls in the next few weeks should show a shift in voters and Obama’s once big lead could evaporate by November,

  62. “Waiting and hoping” Palin makes a mistake sounds like the strategy of a campaign that doesn’t know the what the hell it’s doing.

  63. as i thought, Obama is scared shitless of Sarah and what she’s achieved.

    They tried to bring her down and she got back up again and twatted him between the eyes. I think Sarah was watching Hillary the last few months and admires her tenacity.

  64. # Paula Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    “Waiting and hoping” Palin makes a mistake sounds like the strategy of a campaign that doesn’t know the what the hell it’s doing.

    Thats a strategy of we flung what dirt we could and it didnt stick.

  65. Handbags at dawm! ROTF!

    C’mom, moon. Don’t make me go to DU. it’s on your daily prowl so why not post some of the more amusing comments?

  66. shv,

    “the Obama campaign will aim its heaviest artillery at McCain while waiting and hoping that Sarah Palin makes a mistake.”

    That’s exactly what BM accused HRC of doing, ignoring the fact that she’d WON the last big primaries and the popular vote.

    Since they FALSELY accused her of that tactic they should have no problem calling BO on it.

    👿

  67. shv,

    IMHO, it sounds like KO and Tweetie will keep their shows but be booted off the more prestigious election and debate assignments.

  68. We said this a few months ago guys, we said that the msm would wait until Bambi was the official nominee and start turning on him, i think its beginiing.

  69. # basil9 Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    shv,

    IMHO, it sounds like KO and Tweetie will keep their shows but be booted off the more prestigious election and debate assignments.

    I am sure they have contracts for their “news” jobs…If they have been booted off debates and election coverage that is huge..and with their self-inflated egos, their heads will explode.

  70. awwwww. c’mon you big tease. just a couple . . please
    the whiniest, rantingest ones you can find so i can LMAO again.

  71. Admin, insightful and excellent writing, as always. Thanks to you and everyone here at the Big Pink machine.

    I want to recap two theories that I posed here in various words and contexts since last February:

    1. I always believed that Obama was the “establishment” candidate, since NBC’s owner G.E. is “the establishment,” and

    2. I always thought that Bush and Daley had struck a deal to “continue the status quo” (i.e. Republican admin.) when they had dinner together at the Firehouse on the Mayor’s birthday last year. The joke around here is that Daley is the best Republican mayor in America.

    Getting rid of Hillary was in the plan, since she is independent and owes no one except American voters and history. I wonder if McCain winning his primary instead of a more “establishment” type like Romney was in the cards.

    Now big media will shift right. Obama will crash and burn, since the media was the only thing propping him up. This is just my theory. Is it nuts?

  72. The best ones Basil was

    “where the hell is Hillary, why is she not out saving Obama, she’s doing nothing”

    “we must call msnbc right now and express our anger at this outrage”

    “I just saw the Alaskan debate of Palin, Biden better get his act together sharp, she’s going to be evil to beat”

  73. Predictable media behavior…the sharks smell blood in the water…Reminds me of the Great White in “Finding Nemo”.

  74. as i said earlier, msm will always swim off with the crest off the wavem they know not to be locked out of an administrations favour.

    McCain and Palin is new and new themes, Obama is old and tired, he’s used that change shit without explaining anything too often.

  75. MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat

    By BRIAN STELTER
    Published: September 7, 2008
    MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

    That experiment appears to be over.

    After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

    The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

    “The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.

    Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

    The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

    “In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”

    But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”

    In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”

    The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

    Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.

    As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. “They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.

    In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

    But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.

    “I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.”

    In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

    “I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.

    “Countdown” will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

    The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

    Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

    But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

    The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin’s plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way — which MSNBC then reported.

    “The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing,” said a senior MSNBC official. “We were told, ‘No, it’s not Sarah Palin and you don’t know who it is.’ ”

    Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

    Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had “gone too far” at times, but emphasized they were “not the only voices” on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post.

    Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. “To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair,” he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

    Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?”

    The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

    Some staff members said the tension led to the network’s decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons — namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC’s set in Denver.

    NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC’s partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled “Breaking News” asked: “How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?” Mr. Griffin called the graphic “an embarrassment.”

    According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

    Up to now, the company’s public support for MSNBC’s strategy has been enthusiastic. At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, Mr. Zucker called “Countdown” “one of the signature brands of the entire company.”

    Just last year, Mr. Olbermann signed a four-year, $4-million-a-year contract with MSNBC. NBC is close to supplementing that contract with Mr. Olbermann, extending his deal through 2013 — and ensuring that he will be on MSNBC through the next election.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?ref=business

  76. moononpluto Says:

    September 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
    # Paula Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    “Waiting and hoping” Palin makes a mistake sounds like the strategy of a campaign that doesn’t know the what the hell it’s doing.

    Thats a strategy of we flung what dirt we could and it didnt stick.

    *************

    Would that make Palin “Teflon Woman” 😀 😀

  77. Sorry this post is long but I can’t get the link to go through spam fiilter

    By BRIAN STELTER
    Published: September 7, 2008
    MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.
    That experiment appears to be over.
    After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.
    The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.
    “The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.
    Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.
    The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.
    “In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”
    But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”
    In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”
    The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)
    Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.
    As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. “They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.
    In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.
    But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.
    “I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.

  78. basil, I was quoting from DU. I’ve watching Fox, and listening to their discussion of Palin and her treatment in the press. It was very fair and balanced. Geraldo said that he has 5 kids, and when he goes to Iraq or elsewhere, no one asks him about his kids. The bottom line, issues are fair game, but family is off limits.

  79. OH good yes the tingle legged boys serves them right i hope there shows are cancelled they are liars.the most unreliable news source ever in America Keith Oberman,and chris matthews,along with CNN jack cafferty wolf blitzer.havent watch them in over a year.
    hey and Pa was the comment where noobama says they cling to there bibles and guns,he mys well throw that state away,people dont forget things like that and they had those pa voters on tv when hillary locked up that state..macain will take the state,even with rendall,he will always be a hillary voter,you dont change overnight like lanny and all of them they are fibbing if you watch there actions on tv..there not even smilling when they say barack noobama.
    and i think north dakota,to many people who do bussiness in nd from the corners of states,remember these are small states and word travels fast..lol..I tell everyone NOobama

  80. basil9 Says:
    September 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Sorry Jan. Now I forgot where I found it. try putting h t t p slash slash colol in the front and html.a the end.
    ===============

    No, it’s h t t p : / / and at the end . h t m l or . h t m

  81. I think Bambi is in process of breaking down. He made many technical errors while on FOx today. Muslim faith, knowing that Russia was next to Alaska. Axelrod was studdering and stamering on FOx today. It has been a rewarding day for me, I loved every minute of it. Watch, next week Biden is going to have family problems and they will try and get Hillary back in. I hope this does not happen because the ship is sinking FAST!! ROTFLMAO and enjoy watching Obama go down, I just wish I could Pooplosi too!!

  82. Thanks very much Basik, rjk1957, & turndownobama-com

    I can’t feel sorry for Olbermann and Matthews. I doubt they will change their ways.

  83. I just read this great comment on The Confluence. It’s from a poster named Janis:

    This preposterous charge, constantly repeated, that Hillary’s primary campaign was a total shambles, a complete disaster, and that Obama out maneuvered her with his “brilliant” scorched-earth attack campaign.

    That attack campaign is what’s dooming him now, you stupid fucking Obots. There is a reason that primaries are historically softball — and must be. If you come out guns blazing in the primaries, you lose the general. More to the point, your party loses the general. A scorched-earth PRIMARY campaign leaves half the dead bodies on the field wearing your uniform.

    Obama’s campaign was “brilliant?” Hillary “didn’t fight back hard enough?” Okay, let’s accept that. Obama fought like a cornered weasel against Hillary Clinton. Where does ti get him and his party now? The bots were always guilty of forgetting that there were two elections to be won. They sunk everything they had into the primary, and forgot about the general. Their candidate came out in full-on attack mode against his own party members, while playing softball with the other guys, expressing admiration for them, practically fellating Reagan’s dead body. Did he forget who wore what uniform? Did his brainless, koolaid-addled, foamy-mouthed followers?

    Hillary’s campaign didn’t hit back hard because, if she had, she would have been in precisely the position that Obama’s in now … with the other side going after her gunz blazing, and half her own voters abandoning her. She lost, but there is a reason that primary campaigns are waged the way she waged them. Unfortunately, she was up against a stupid, out-of-control neophyte who decided that he was going to win the less important election at the cost of the most important one by deliberately immolating half his party.

  84. Adm: Great article. Is anyone keeping up with the daily news on the Berg, Lawsuit on obamacrimes.com pertaining to the serving Obama and the DNC on 9/4 court case papers? DNC never vetted Obama before allowing him to run for office. Obama has so much troubles he could fall over the cliff. You can follow the daily report on the web site. Hillary can not get him out of this. The birth cert. is Obama’ issue to prove.

    Adm: please keep us updated to better understand the legal terms as related to the issues. Hillary you could be on the ballot yet.

    Moonoverpleuto: Had you known about this?

  85. Fox showed a clip of Hillary saying, “No way, No how, No McCain, No Palin. Her voice was forceful, but she still looks tired. She had bags under her eyes. 🙁

  86. and the repubs women comm backlash on opfrah…tvs off,no O magazine,or whoever she deals with,hope she goes in debt. they will drop her ratings like crazy.along with hillarys 18 millon.she has gone too far with this new world crap,she should be off the air.like the false weight crap then serve chocolate cake the next day.hypocrite for ratings

  87. news.search.yahoo.com/news/search;_ylt=A0WTTkmdlMRITe0AtjLRtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTA4Mm84YjJyBHNlYwNzb3J0?ei=UTF-8&p=clinton&c=news_photos&datesort=1&fr=

  88. The stupid news media wasn’t paying attention, even republican women were upset about what Hillary was going thru and they did not even like her so when this same sort of thing started happening to Palin, the women came out with gloves on ready to rumble!!

  89. I respect hillary so much its kinda of boring ,without her,but she stumps for him i dont believe her,and her voters will always be reminded when she says barack obama,they will remember she should be the President,not this big Liar and fake so i dont think it does her any good to convince her voters.
    Whatever she says about the Country she is correct.and with her IQ..she is smarter than any of them
    Hillary for President.no vote for obambi.

  90. Paula: She did look good, but she did have bags under her eyes and I have seen her look better. JMHO. I don’t think she looks as bad as McCain in the Hanoi Hilton.

    Confloyd: The RNC is completely behind Palin. If the DNC had been behind Hillary, things would not have been so bad. 🙁 They always protected BO.

    Kostner: I saw some of that debate on C-Span, and Palin was very articulate, concise, and did not have “uhs” and other breaks in her responses.

  91. If McCain/Palin get elected, we need to make sure Hillary get the majority leader’s position. I’m sure these two powerful women will work hard in the best interest of the country despite vast ideology difference.

    Pelosi/Reid need to go…

  92. Gosh, this just shows you how out of touch these so-called elitist journalists are… Disgusting…

    ———————————–
    NYT: ‘Journalists Wrinkled Their Nose in Disgust’ at Piper’s Touching Gesture
    h t t p : / / newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/07/nyt-journalists-wrinkled-their-nose-disgust-pipers-touching-gestur

    When NewsBusters posted the screencap shown here as its Weekend Captionfest on Friday, the result was an outpouring of affectionate reader responses. Typical was this one, from “iveseenitall”:

    The ladies in my house instantly fell for this kid. “Oh” and “Oooh” and “Ah”. The giggles, the pointing at the t.v. Love all around that night.

    The MSM lives in a different house. Check out this candid observation by New York Times media reporter David Carr in his article in today’s NYT [emphasis added]:

    In the press galleries at the convention, journalists wrinkled their noses in disgust when Piper, Ms. Palin’s youngest daughter, was filmed kitty-licking her baby brother’s hair into place

  93. Paula, I heard that too. I think, he will keep doing that, and he may make some announcements before the election. You know, Lieberman will be in, as Sec of State or Defense. I read that somewhere, but who really knows.

  94. McCain can talk all he wants about bi-partisan stuff. But I really believe he’s going to be a lousy president. Look at his record, he insisted on a campaign finance reform bill with the blessing of democrats. What’s the net result? More insane amount of money is pouring into political campaign, not less.

  95. kostner: That was such a touching gesture on the part of Piper. She is seven years old for crissakes. Journalists are evil people and have no sense of humor or compassion. Obviously, she loves her baby brother.

  96. kostner, obviously there are some loopholes in the bill. He kept his word to accept only the campaign finance money. He probably couldn’t get what he wanted in the bill.

  97. justmeinmountdorafl

    When you do see or hear Obama’s name it is in reference to his attacking Palin. Obama and his campaign are unraveling.. Love it!!

  98. Bird, Jan, Paula: I miss Hillary, too. The coverage just hasn’t been as interesting without her. But, they are doing a nice profile of Sarah Palin on Fox right now.

  99. The New York Times shocking “expose” of the Palin baby is now hitting the newstands. It’s a shocker! 🙂

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    Most had learned that Ms. Palin was pregnant only a few weeks before. Struggling to accept that her child would be born with Down syndrome and fearful of public criticism of a governor’s pregnancy, Ms. Palin had concealed the news that she was expecting even from her parents and children until her third trimester.

    ———————–

    By last winter, Ms. Palin seemed to have everything she had ever wanted. She had raised four children while turning herself into a rising star of the Republican Party of Alaska and then the national one. But then the still-new governor discovered she was pregnant. Piper, the youngest of the Palin brood, was 6. The family had long since given away their crib and high chair.

    A few weeks later, after an amniocentesis — a prenatal test to identify genetic defects — Ms. Palin learned the results. Some abortion opponents decline such tests, but as her older sister, Heather Bruce, said, Ms. Palin “likes to be prepared.” With her husband, Todd, away at his job in the oil fields of the North Slope, Ms. Palin told no one for three days, she later said.

    Once they reunited, the Palins struggled to understand what they would face. Children with Down syndrome experience varying degrees of cognitive disability and a higher-than-average risk of hearing loss, hypothyroidism and seizure disorders. About half are born with heart defects, which often require surgery.

    The couple decided to keep quiet about the pregnancy so they could absorb the news, they told people later.

    —————————-
    The governor, thin to begin with, began an elaborate game of fashion-assisted camouflage. When Vogue photographed her, five months pregnant, for a profile in January, she hid in a big green parka. At work, she wore long, loose blazers and artfully draped accessories.

    “All of a sudden she had this penchant for really beautiful scarves,” recalled Angelina Burney, who works across the hallway from the governor in Anchorage.

    As Ms. Palin’s clothes grew tighter, Alaskans began to talk. She told several aides that she was pregnant, and a week or so later, her parents and her children, who called other relatives.

    [More shocking news at the link 🙂 – the nutroots will be sorely disappointed at their lies and smears and slime so totally refuted. Don’t wait for apologies from the DailyKooks and Andrew Sullivan.]

  100. Did you all see this?????

    CNN: Donna Brazile draws analogy of Obama/Jesus as Palin/Pilate

    since i do NOT ever watch CNN, i wondered if anyone here caught this?

    h t t p : / / wdtprs.com/blog/2008/09/cnn-donna-brazile-draws-analogy-of-obamajesus-as-palinpilate/

    check out the comment section while your there!

    and how about this one….

    Barack Obama wants to prove he can out shoot Sarah Palin. On the basketball court, that is, not on the range. Gotta give it to the man, he knows his limitations. In an interview on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” Obama responded to a viewer-submitted question about a possible match-up with the Republican VP hopeful:

    “You know, I would play her a game of horse,” said Obama. “She looks like she’s got some game.”

    Palin was a standout high school basketball player whose skills on the court earned her the nickname Sarah Barracuda. But Obama said he doesn’t fear her.

    “On the basketball court, I think I’d stand up pretty well,” he said.

    Still, Obama said he wouldn’t want to go head-to-head with Palin in another sport: target shooting.

    “I know she’s a sharpshooter, and I know that — I probably wouldn’t do target practice with her,” he said. “I think she’d be a better shot than me.”

    h t t p : / / cinie.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/obama-to-palin-horse/

  101. LOL…Obama, Brazille, et al… the gifts that just keep giving.

    That hole they are digging sure keeps getting deeper and deeper. 😉

  102. You have to love Palin’s campaign style. She never mentions Obama by name she always refers to him as our opponent, where Obama is attacking and whinning Palin.. Palin…Palin. The fool is keeping her name in the press by constantly mentioning it.. Looks like the so called perfect campaign isn’t so perfect afterall.

  103. That NYT article was quite balanced and puts Palin in a good light — if nothing else it will evoke sympathy for working mothers trying to juggle everything. Also, I am going to go on a limb and say that Palin may actually do something to ease the lives of working mothers by doing more about childcare and other issues having had first hand experience on what they need.

  104. On a flight to Kalispell, Mont., Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., was asked by a reporter, “Do you still believe in a tripartite solution to Iraq?”

    His answer lasted 13 minutes, 20 seconds
    h t t p : / / blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-5.html
    ——————————
    Biden is a disaster in the making. He’s been in Washington forever, every pundit is singing he’s a foreign policy expert. But what exactly qualifies him for the ‘expert’?

    He voted against the first Gulf war, the war was a success.
    He was wrong on war in Iraq from the beginning, that’s a mistake, he was against the surge, surge is a success, he was for this terrible idea of tripartiting Iraq, it was even worse than simply pull out.

    Geez

  105. …just thinking about upcoming debates…perhaps we need to get the contact info for Gwen Ifill and the network sponsoring for the VP DEBATE and the followup info for the 3 other Presidential Debates….

    …and start putting them all on notice that we want FAIR DEBATES…THAT WE DO NOT WANT A REPEAT OF THE MSNBC GANG RAPE OF HILLARY when Russert, Williams and Matthews tag teamed her and let Obama cruise after Hillary provided the ‘hard’ info for him to ‘agree’ with

    the moderators should all be on notice that we will be watching and we expect FAIR QUESTIONS and not an OBAMA LOVEFEST…

    what do you think? do we have any contact info?

  106. About Palin…. She seems, like JFK, to keep her own religion and personal beliefs separate from her goverrning policies. We have separation of church and state. All she has to do is remember that, cling to that.

    We need to look at just where she draws the line, especially at her official actions. She DID veto an anti-gay measure saying it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    Also, her personal standards and opinions may not be as extreme as painted. She has said that she FAVORS sex ed to inform children about condom use because they may not get it at home! She has said that she will not try to change laws about abortion.

    I guess we need to find out more about how Alaskans feel, because she has an 80-90% approval rating, and you don’t get that when you try to push your religion on other people.

    Let’s not be too quick to believe the worst.

  107. I am so glad that Olbermann and Matthews have been ousted from election coverage, and I do wonder if the Republicans had something on them – such as assisting Code Pink protesters onto the RNC floor with press passes – that they could leverage to get them out.

    On another note – CA delegation back from Denver and pissed:

    latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-trailunity4-2008sep04,0,5635151.story

    Some Hillary Clinton delegates remain displeased over ‘unity’ push

    The “unity” convention in Denver is over. But some Hillary Rodham Clinton delegates are back home in California stewing over what they describe as pressure from Barack Obama allies to create a false image of overwhelming support for the Democratic presidential nominee.

    The Clinton delegates say that during the four-day conclave, Obama delegates opposed efforts to schedule a full, 50-state roll call vote that would attest to the New York senator’s true support. What happened instead was an abbreviated roll call vote, cut off by Clinton herself so that Obama would be nominated by acclamation.

    As part of that push, some of the Clinton backers grouse, Obama supporters made plain that the Clinton delegates needed to switch sides and vote for the eventual nominee. A fair amount of that happened. The final delegate tally was 3,188.5 for Obama; 1,010.5 for Clinton, according to numbers released Wednesday by the Democratic National Committee. When the primary season ended in June, the tally was much closer, with Clinton trailing Obama in delegates by less than a 10% margin.

    Within the huge California delegation, lots of Clinton delegates got with the program. Although Clinton handily won the state’s primary in February, the California convention vote was Obama, 273; Clinton, 166.

    Raymond Penko, a Clinton delegate from San Diego who campaigned door-to-door for her, said: “There was pressure all around to conform to what I would call the old boys’ club. . . . As soon as Obama delegates heard that one was a Hillary supporter, they would shun you, tell you to get over it, say, ‘Stop being a crybaby. What’s your problem? Don’t you want to win in November?’ ”

    Penko and Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred circulated a petition for a full roll call vote. They couldn’t round up enough signatures.

    Allred, a Clinton delegate well known in Southern California for her public-relations flair, grew frustrated last week with what she saw as efforts to muzzle her and showed up at a delegation breakfast one morning with a gag made up of restaurant napkins.

    She’s still not happy with what transpired at the Democratic gathering. “This was a scripted convention,” she said this week. “There really was no room for dissent for Hillary supporters. Not even room for discussion.”

  108. More about Palin…. There are several ways of ‘being against abortion.’
    There’s ‘I would never do it but it”s a valid choice for others.’
    There’s ‘I would never and I promote alternatives for others.’
    There’s ‘I want to convince others not to do it.’
    There’s ‘I want to work for laws against it.’
    There’s ‘I will twist every possible decision against it, constitutional or not.’

    As long as someone is not actually working for laws against or trying to get funding stopped etc, can’t they have some freedom of thought on it?

  109. “Penko and Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred circulated a petition for a full roll call vote. They couldn’t round up enough signatures.”

    Gloria Allred drank the Kool-Aid and now is a 4+ ‘bot. Roe..Roe..Roe..blah..blah..

  110. SHV – well, at least in this latest article, they haven’t brought up that Alred is a spineless feminist who folded when the Roe V.Wade card was brought out.

    When BO loses, then, we all of these people – including Alred – will be able to talk about what transpired at the roll call – I for one, will be wanting to know.

  111. so, I was listening to AM radio, and there’s a slightly hokey show on at night that talks about paranormal stuff and UFOs, and they had this psychic on, Marisa Ryan, I think was her name, and the host was asking about the elections, though he didn’t push for her to say who she thought might win.

    apparently, she’s been good at solving murders and working with the police, etc., so she must know evil when she senses it.

    Anyway, this is what she said about the election without saying who would win, she said:

    “there are people who are running for bad reasons, with bad agendas and not for the right reasons.”
    ****
    sounds like BO and his Chicago combine and Soros…

  112. from a blog referenced at liberalrapture:

    panmetron.blogspot.com/2008/09/case-for-voting-republican-this-year.html

    The leadership of the Democratic party has embraced the Rovian tactics that characterized the Republicans eight years ago. We saw a campaign season with possible voter fraud, with heavy-handed moves by party leadership such as stripping states of delegates (party rules only called for stripping half of them) and then awarding delegates never earned to their favored candidate. We saw a candidate pledge, very publicly and sanctimoniously, to accept public financing in order to reduce the influence of money in his campaign, and then break that promise even though his Republican opponent has kept it. We saw the same candidate accept more money than any candidate in history from Wall Street and large corporate sectors like insurance, pharmaceutical companies, and nuclear power companies, and essentially lie about it because those donations went through “bundlers.” We saw accusations of racism rolled out like a Salem witch hunt. We saw intolerance, abuse, and ostracism online. We saw an absurd participation by the media in clear favoritism toward one candidate, and we saw the most highly choreographed convention in history where no voices of dissent were permitted. On top of that, we still have at best a fuzzy picture of where the Democratic leadership really stands on issues, with the most nebulous platform in party history attempting to at once cater to the far left and the political center, and doublespeak from the Democratic nominee only making things more obscure.

    So my case is this: with this presidential election, we can reward one party for reforming itself, or we can reward the other party for corrupting itself. If we reward the Republicans with a win – and it’s likely Democrats will still control Congress – we will have a better Republican party in the long term, and also have a Democratic Party that is taught a lesson for the next round, and in the meantime it is highly likely – based on the actual record of the Republican ticket (not rhetoric) – that non-partisan work will actually get done. If we reward the Democrats with a win, we reward corruption and dirty political tricks with as much partisan power as Bush/Cheney had in their first term, and no clear picture of what they’ll do with it. In not just the short term but in the long term, which is better for America: a more ethical Republican Party with checked power, or a brazenly corrupt Democratic Party with virtually unlimited power?

    That’s an independent’s case for McCain/Palin.

  113. *****************************************************************************
    The blatant attack on Sarah Palin by rachel maddow is disgusting. I hate rachel maddow. I hate her.
    *******************************************************************************

  114. Has anyone else noticed Obama’s new campaign: “if you don’t vote for Obama you’re stupid”? Him and all his croonies keep on saying that women will not vote for Palin because they are not that stupid. So if they do (or are thinking about) voting for Palin then they are….

  115. I think former President Bill Clinton was not very honest when he called Obama’s VP choice ‘out of the ball park’. I mean, look at them now.

  116. A ‘selection’ is made by a few who are too greedy to act democratically. They think ‘When everybody is too busy earning a living, everybody turns out to be stupid’ and will vote for their chice. What a blunder.
    The Democratic party leadership will learn its first most important lesson this NOvember: ‘Everybody is not stupid’

  117. blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/mccain-pulls-ah.html

    McCain Pulls Ahead in Gallup

    September 07, 2008 9:41 PM

    Not the daily tracking poll, the actual Gallup poll, has Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., pulling ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

    The numbers among registered voters are 50 percent to 46 percent — and 54 percent to 44 percent among likely voters.

    Obama’s campaign always said before the American people made their final decision about him, the Democrat would be judged on three things — the VP pick, the convention, and the debates. Now two of the three have gone down, and the American people have liked McCain’s stuff better.

    – jpt

  118. Yup the media is getting the message and backing off Palin, it seems, they fear a huge backlash. Palin has done good things in Alaska, I’m just amazed the LA Times is actually reporting it.

    LA TIMES : Trig Palin’s story is safe ground for the Republican ticket

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-disabled8-2008sep08,0,5707481.story?page=1

    As governor, she can point to a track record. In the budget she signed into law this year, Palin approved a dramatic raise in spending on “intensive needs” children, as Alaska officials define them, including those who need nurses full time or cannot breathe without ventilators. When Palin took office in 2006, the state was spending $27,000 a year per child. The budget she signed this year raised that funding to $49,000 per child. In three years, the amount will rise to $74,000, which is roughly equal to the yearly per-child cost of educating special needs children.

    The public school teachers union in Alaska, the National Education Assn.-Alaska, lauded Palin’s action, although it has not endorsed her.

    Several other disability programs received increases. And Palin has nearly doubled state spending to combat fetal alcohol syndrome and has increased spending on adult mental health services by 59%. She also has shifted about $1.25 million in state money to faith-based programs that provide social services.

    Elizabeth Edmands is a Democrat who sits on the Governor’s Council on Disabilities and Special Education and has a 26-year-old daughter, Mariah, who has Down syndrome. Edmands said Palin was interested in the issue before Trig was born and had attended council meetings.

    “She won’t just be supportive. She’ll be an activist,” Edmands said. “When anything touches your life, you become more involved.”

  119. Morning Henry, I am seeing nothing in anything they say about her, it keeps getting knocked flat on its ass when you look at her record.

    They keep saying she’s a bitch but hey we bitches need to be hard ass bitches to get these boys to do anything.

  120. September 8th 2008 : NY POST ENDORSES JOHN MCCAIN

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09082008/postopinion/editorials/post_endorses_john_mccain_128044.htm

    (The New York Post: “…we’re in their corner to the finish.”)

    THE Post today enthusiastically urges the election of Sen. John S. McCain as the 44th president of the United States.

    McCain’s lifelong record of service to America, his battle-tested courage, unshakeable devotion to principle and clear grasp of the dangers and opportunities now facing the nation stand in dramatic contrast to the tissue-paper-thin résumé of his Democratic opponent, freshman Sen. Barack Obama.

    McCain has been in Washington for many years now, but he is not of Washington. He knows where the levers of power are located – and how to manipulate them – but he is not controlled by them.

    McCain’s selection of the charming, but rock-solid, outsider Sarah Palin as his running mate underscores the point.

    Neither plays well with others.

    And this is an unalloyed asset at a time when special interests – lobbyists, lawyers and organized labor chief among them – wield enormous influence in the nation’s capital.

    McCain’s Democratic opponents, Obama and Sen. Joseph Biden, lead a party constructed of special interests – public-employee unionists in particular.

  121. Morning Moononpluto
    And many many people buy the Post for the subway. Its only a quarter and the format is much easier to navigate than the times or the WSJ. And early in the morning I confess to enjoying Liz Smith and page 6. I also think they put soduko on the map.

  122. Ok, now I’m mad, How dare they close Playgirl Magazine, that was the first magazine that i dared look at when i was younger. 🙁

  123. By the way, the poll reports I’ve heard and am hearing is that a convention bounce would have only brought McCain back to a tie, apparently this is much much more than that.

    The GOP base is now energized beyond happy.

  124. So Sarah deliberately named the Baby, Trig Van Palin, she wanted to actually call him Van Palin so he would sound like a rock star.

  125. I think her sense of humor will prove to be a huge asset. We have already seen that bambi is seriously lacking in that department. Every time she lets out a zinger he is defenseless.

  126. Ya gotta love that new USA Today/Gallop poll.

    USA Today/Gallup 09/05 – 09/07
    54% McCain
    44% Obama

    The rats are jumping off the ship over at Intrade Real Time Quotes

  127. Real big rat just jumped overboard. New York Post endorses McCain after only endorsing Obama in primaries. I assume Fox means they did not endorse a republican in the primary.

  128. If she could work “last call” and “shut off” into her debate responses I am sure it would leace him speechless. (as if that were possible)

  129. rjk, its called playing by the obama playbook, stretch the truth, its takes using the same tricks against them.

    Would anyone outside of NY know NY post endorsed Hillary.

  130. As far as the upcoming debates go, I wonder if the media have learned any lessons from the earlier ones.

    1/ Will they hold McCain and Palin to a higher standard than Obama and Biden?

    2/ Will they allow Obama more air time so he can spew his nonsense, while cutting off McCain as they did Hillary repeatedly?

    3/ Will they ask Obama nonsensical questions and McCain the tough ones?

    I guess time will tell. 😉

  131. US magazine has 100’s of subscription cancelations. MSNBC cans Matthews and Olberman (well sort of anyway).
    Maybe the media is slowly getting the message, report the news and do not distort or create it for ratings.

  132. Bet MTV/Viacom/CBS gets more than earful today for the VMA awards. having a non-American ridicling bush and calling him a retard on national television will not sit well.

  133. The media did not want Hillary to win. They wanted O, so McCain would beat him in Nov. I remember after the rally here in Oh at Cleveland State, this guy was outside shouting a vote for Obama is a vote for McCain.

  134. Is this video for real?
    If it is how can Biden be let anywhere near the white house

    youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY&eurl=http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com

  135. Looks like NY Post means business

    ORGANIZER IN CHIEF
    BARACK’S CONTROVERSIAL ROOTS

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09082008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/organizer_in_chief_127983.htm?page=0

    Barack Obama represents the first appearance in a presidential race of a rela tively new political type: the community organizer.

    His past as a local activist in Chicago has provoked sneers from Republicans and questions from most voters. What the heck is a community organizer, where do these folks get their money – and why are they so controversial?

    The roots of community organizing stretch back to the 1930s and the efforts of organizer Saul Alinsky, founder of the Industrial Areas Foundation and author of “Rules for Radicals,” to organize people in low-income areas into a political force to combat the political machine that ran Chicago.

    Alinsky won many admirers on the Left, but it took President Lyndon Johnson’s War On Poverty to supercharge community organizing by directing billions of federal dollars to neighborhood groups with the naive and ambiguous goal of “empowering” communities.

    The federal cash, eventually supplemented by state and local tax funds, helped create a universe of government-funded groups headed by local activists running everything from job-training efforts to recreation programs to voter-registration drives – far beyond anything Alinsky could’ve imagined.

  136. There would need a big friggin bus for the size of his head alone but i’d happily drive a steamroller over him.

  137. Will Hillary Clinton go after Sarah Palin?

    As Hillary Clinton travels to Florida today in an effort to firm up support from women voters for the Obama-Biden Democratic ticket, the big question is how far will the former First Lady go in taking on John McCain’s controversial number two, Sarah Palin?

    At the end of last week, following McCain’s lacklustre convention speech, there was talk that the Democrats were wheeling out Clinton as the only suitable Rottweiler to tackle the Republicans’ self-styled “pitbull in lipstick”. By last night, however, it looked as if Clinton was going to avoid going head-to-head with the “hockey mom” from Alaska.

    One theory is that Clinton, a woman who has grown up with the women’s movement, does not want to be seen to be ungenerous to a fellow woman politician trying to break through Washington’s glass ceiling. And nor would Barack Obama want to be accused of taking easy shots at McCain’s running mate when the man himself is an easy enough target, or should be.

    On the other hand, Clinton’s liberal politics could hardly be more opposite to those of Palin – a creationist, conservative and anti-abortionist.

    Another theory is that by taking Palin on, Hillary would expose the generational difference between the two women: Hillary at 60 is a classic baby-boom feminist, while 44-year-old Palin is best described as a post-feminist.

    Anne Applebaum, writing for the Daily Telegraph, argues that Palin “breaks the Hillary Clinton mould, not only in personality and lifestyle but in ideology as well. By this, I don’t mean merely that she’s a conservative, that she’s an evangelical Christian, or that she opposes abortion.

    “More interesting are the ways in which she shatters all the stereotypes altogether: Left/Right, Democrat/Republican, liberal/conservative. In practice, it isn’t even easy to say on which side of America’s increasingly confusing culture wars she stands. Is it ‘right-wing’ to go back to work two days after having a baby, as she did while governor? Is it ‘feminist’ to support one’s unwed daughter’s decision to have her baby? Is it liberal or conservative for women to play sports or drive snowmobiles?”

    Applebaum concludes that while Hillary Clinton’s generation is not finished
    – and Hillary may be back in 2012 if Obama loses on November 4 – “the appointment of Palin does bring the Hillary Era to an end: she isn’t the archetypal Female American Politician anymore, she’s just one of many.”

    While Hillary Clinton considers her options, one woman who has nailed her colours to the Obama mast – talk show queen Oprah Winfrey – has made her thoughts on Palin very clear. She is refusing outright to have the Alaska governor as a guest on her show.

    Winfrey has been facing increasing pressure from conservative commentators who say that Palin would be the perfect interview subject for her audience. But Winfrey has squashed the idea: “When I decided that I was going to take my first public stance in support of a candidate, I made the decision not to use my show as a platform for any of the candidates,” she said in a statement.

    “I agree that Sarah Palin would be a fantastic interview,” Winfrey added, “and I would love to have her on – after the campaign is over.”

  138. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows John McCain with a statistically insignificant one-point lead over Barack Obama.

    In the first national polling results based entirely on interviews conducted after the Republican National Convention, McCain attracts 47% of the vote while Obama earns 46%. When “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 48% and Obama 47%.

  139. Now guys, Please don’t be upset about this article. Understand what the Big Media is doing. They are pitting Hillary against Palin. To say, if Palin becomes huge – it will affect Hillary’s chances. This is to make sure Hillary supporters now don’t back Palin so, Obama wins. Understand this and don’t respond to provocative articles such as this.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Clinton turns down hatchet job

    HILLARY Clinton may be the most obvious choice to throw into the ring against the new darling of American politics, Sarah Palin, but the failed Democratic presidential candidate is refusing the job.

    “We’re not going to be anybody’s attack dog against Sarah Palin,” a Clinton insider said yesterday.

    It’s an extraordinary act of hubris from a woman whose success in exposing Barack Obama’s weakness in working-class Democratic states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana may have been the reason that John McCain chose a gun-toting, God-loving mother of five as his running mate.

    Although she is 60 and unlikely to have another shot at the White House, Clinton is apparently concerned that she would appear ungenerous to the Republicans’ first female vice-presidential candidate if she were to go after her.

    It is a rationale that will fuel the belief – lingering among Democrats since Al Gore’s failed 2000 presidential run – that the Clintons always put themselves before their party.

    It was certainly a feeling reinforced during the death-by-a-thousand-cuts primaries when both Clinton and her husband, Bill, launched numerous vicious attacks on Obama even when it was clear that she could not win her party’s nomination.

    Clinton’s appearance on the campaign trail at an Obama event in Florida today will reportedly concentrate on McCain instead of Palin.

    “Attacking Palin is checkers; attacking McCain on the economy is chess,” a Clinton aide commented.

    While the Obama camp has asked Clinton to step up her campaigning in the blue-collar states – such as Ohio and Pennsylvania – where she did so well in the primaries, Clinton has said she would also campaign in Texas, where she is not popular, because there is money there and she needs to pay off $US2 0million ($24.5 million) of campaign debt.

    Her refusal to roll up her sleeves against Palin, who describes herself as “a pit bull with lipstick”, has already come under questioning by Democratic apparatchiks. “The strategic imperative right now is to do something about Palin and prevent her cutting through the race,” said Democratic strategist Tad Devine. “She is practising the same slash-and-burn politics of division of the Bush years. Hillary Clinton can make the charge that Governor Palin represents the far Right.”

    Palin has taken aim squarely at the 18 million voters who preferred Clinton to Obama during the primary campaign. It is a delicate mission for the New York senator to persuade them, after all her harsh words, that Obama is the right candidate for president.

    Attacking Palin represents an even more slippery challenge for Obama.

    Just before Palin’s selection, David Plouffe, Obama’s astute campaign manager, looked at the electoral map of the US and declared the national polls less important than the 18 battleground states where Obama had the ground troops, enthusiasm and money to win.

    Palin’s emergence has upset those calculations and forced the Obama campaign for the first time to re-examine its successful campaign tactics. Obama now has a great need to drive up voter turnout among black people and the young, while staunching defections to McCain from blue-collar workers and women.

    Clinton has been asked to concentrate on the working-class districts of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan, where Palin will be competing fiercely for votes, and Florida, where women and Jewish voters may reject the Alaska Governor’s Christian, conservative, anti-abortion message.

    Clinton, who has lived through the women’s movement, intends to frame the race in terms of a double-barrelled McCain-Palin threat to issues that women care about, such as the right to an abortion, equal pay and universal healthcare, according to Florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    As such, she will be joining the roster of prominent women deployed by Obama to such good effect against Clinton herself during the primary campaign. Politicians such as Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius and Missouri senator Claire McCaskill have made the case that women could in good conscience vote for Obama rather than Clinton.

    Now they are using the same tactics against Palin.

    If Clinton is uncertain about going for Palin’s jugular, she may like to recall the words of a woman delegate at the Republican convention who described Palin as “more of a woman than Hillary and more of a man than Hillary”.

  140. This is significant, Rassmussen making a cryptic note

    For a variety of reasons, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll is less volatile than some other polls and always shows a somewhat smaller convention bounce than reported by others. This is primarily because we weight our results by party identification (see methodology). Looking at the data before adjusting for partisan identification, the Republican convention appears to have created a larger surge in party identification than the Democratic convention the week before. If this lasts, it could have a significant impact on Election 2008.

    Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Obama voters now say they are voting with enthusiasm for their candidate while 17% are primarily voting against the other candidate. For McCain, those numbers are 65% and 28% respectively. Before the Republican convention, just 54% of McCain voters were voting enthusiastically for him rather than simply voting against Obama.

  141. Secret,

    I worried about that Palin would be too strong for Hillary to overcome in 2012 before. on second thought, if Mccain/palin win in Nov. ( I hope they will), then Palin has four years to prove she is the right person for the country. If she does a good job then she deserves to be the first female president. if she doesn’t, it will be Hillary’s turn.

  142. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Obama voters now say they are voting with enthusiasm for their candidate while 17% are primarily voting against the other candidate. For McCain, those numbers are 65% and 28% respectively. Before the Republican convention, just 54% of McCain voters were voting enthusiastically for him rather than simply voting against Obama.

    I think this is significant. Enthusiasm for McCain can only go up. McCain has done something very smart. In picking Palin, he has put a optimistic future in front of Republicans where there was none with his own candidacy.

  143. Secret Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Now guys, Please don’t be upset about this article. Understand what the Big Media is doing. They are pitting Hillary against Palin. To say, if Palin becomes huge – it will affect Hillary’s chances. This is to make sure Hillary supporters now don’t back Palin so, Obama wins. Understand this and don’t respond to provocative articles such as this.
    —————-

    Yep, I was waiting for those bastards to make this argument. But little do they realize, if Obama wins, Hillary has no chance at all, bye bye to even 2012. I am not overly concerned about Hillary against Palin. That race will be fought on issues and I expect Hillary to win it.

  144. # meiyingsu Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Secret,

    I worried about that Palin would be too strong for Hillary to overcome in 2012 before. on second thought, if Mccain/palin win in Nov. ( I hope they will), then Palin has four years to prove she is the right person for the country. If she does a good job then she deserves to be the first female president. if she doesn’t, it will be Hillary’s turn.”

    Whoever takes office as President and VP on 01/20/09 will be seen as failures because they were unable to prevent the economy crashing and burning during their term in office.

  145. SHV,
    Did I or any of us think this dumb ass Obama will conspire with DNC goons and steal the nomination from Hillary on 2008? Nope! No one did.

    So, to worry about Hillary’s chances of 2012 now – is unnecessary and needless. Let’s cross the bridge when we get to it.

    For now, let’s not get into Hillary Vs Sarah.

    We all love Hillary very much. We don’t like Obama. We want to defeat him. That is what is our common purpose.

    The reason for me posting that story is simply to warn people – like us not to get distracted or manipulated by Big media – now singing Hillary’s praise.

    Let’s not get duped.

    Hillary is not on 2008 ticket. It is Obama. So, let’s defeat him.

    When Hillary gets on the Democratic ticket – then we can think about it. Not now.

    Hope this helps.

  146. Hillary has a better shot at 2012 against Palin. If Obama and Dean/Pelosi/Brazile win, she and Bill are SHUT OUT of their own party, period.

    Scare tactics that “Voting in Palin hurts Hill” are going to abound. And maybe it does make it harder. But an Obama win makes it nigh IMPOSSIBLE.

  147. The myth that Palin is such a hardcore social conservative is simply a myth…. Here’s some quotes from her in debates…

    ———————————
    In a recent survey you said that you would support abstinence-until-marriage education but that you would not support explicit sex-ed programs. What are explicit sex-ed programs, and does that include talking about condoms in school?

    Palin’s answer:

    No, I don’t think that it includes something that is relatively benign. Explicit means explicit. No, I am pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I’m not anti-contraception. But yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don’t have a problem with that. That doesn’t scare me, so it’s something that I would support also.

    ——————————
    Finally, Alaska does not have a death penalty — I did not know that — and Palin was asked for her opinion. Her answer was that if the state legislature decided to pass a narrowly focused death penalty, she would support it.

    If our lawmakers were to consider such a thing, I think that support should be given for heinous crimes. A murder of a child? I say, my goodness, hang ’em up. Yeah. A murder of a child, anything to such a degree, I don’t think that there can be anything worse. And if lawmakers were to consider it, that should be the consideration.

  148. HillaryforTexas,
    Hillary is not on 2008 ticket. It is Obama. So, let’s defeat him,
    When Hillary gets on the Democratic ticket – then we can think about it. Not now.

  149. Do you think Fox News is loving this story? They have tweety and obamaman splashed on their front page with the caption

    “DROP ANCHOR”

    ROTFL!

    “Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister off its politican anchor desk after the cable channel finishing dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.
    The network announced Monday that Olbermann and Chris Matthews have both been booted as co-hosts on political night coverage in favor of David Gregory, whose White House press corps experience may make him better suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.”

  150. An excerpt from an interesting NY Times article

    “Many high-powered parents separate work and children; Ms. Palin takes a wholly different approach. “She’s the mom and the governor, and they’re not separate,” Ms. Cole said. Around the governor’s offices, it was not uncommon to get on the elevator and discover Piper, smothering her puppy with kisses.

    “She’ll be with Piper or Trig, then she’s got a press conference or negotiations about the natural gas pipeline or a bill to sign, and it’s all business,” Ms. Burney, who works across the hall, said. “She just says, ‘Mommy’s got to do this press conference.’ ”
    Ms. Palin installed a travel crib in her Anchorage office and a baby swing in her Juneau one. For much of the summer, she carried Trig in a sling as she signed bills and sat through hearings, even nursing him unseen during conference calls.”

    Someone tell me again how an example like this in Washington would not be GOOD for women?

  151. It take a Sarah Palin to make this happen:

    Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews Booted From MSNBC Political Anchor Desk.

    It may well be god’s will to take a Sarah Palin to make Hillary Clinton a 45.

  152. If the whole purpose of the primary corruption was to push/kick Hillary and Bill Clinton influence away from the party once and for all, other than the underhanded way they went about it, I’m not that upset. Let the DNC, Obama, Pelosi, et al flounder all on their own. Let them destroy the party. It will be on their heads and not on the Clintons who will come out even stronger than before.

    Hillary will still come out on top.

  153. “We all love Hillary very much. We don’t like Obama. We want to defeat him. That is what is our common purpose.”

    A crushing defeat of Obama is only the first step needed to begin the much more difficult process of excising the corruption and rot from the Dem. Party leadership.

  154. Erica Jong (the expert in dry-humping), has decided in her HuffPo article that Palin is “white trash”.
    She actually used that phrase.

    I have said forever that the CDS so rampant on the left was as much classism as sexism, and in Palin’s case, I am being proved right.

    The ugly truth is, many on the left have a lot of deep-seated revulsion and scorn for people unlike them in socio-economic status.

  155. HillaryforTexas –

    Over the course of the primaries, we got used to our former icons and Democratic heroes stabbing Hillary in the back…week after week, a new Brutus came along…

    Now it’s Steinem, or Erica Jong, Gloria Alred, Gerry Ferraro…a year ago, it would’ve broken my heart to hear about how they’re falling in line behind the undemocratic practices of the UnDemocratic Party, or sold feminism down the river and now, as Erica Jong, is proving to be as snobbish as BO. On NQ, here was her quote from the HuffPoo article:

    “Not that I think Sarah Palin will make it to VP. But given the repugnicans’ habit of caging votes, it’s certainly one horrid possibility.

    White trash America certainly has allure for voters. Some people think rednecks are more American than Harvard educated intellectuals of mixed race. God help us in the next election. The NRA and the oil industry sure won’t.”

  156. I wonder how Hillary feels – I know her aides made a statement that she will not be “anyone’s attack dog against Sarah Palin”…and that’s great, but she fought for the middle-class and the lower-class, and became their hero during the primaries…I can’t imagine Hillary would care for the snobbish attitude of BO’s current roster of followers, even if they used to support Hillary.

  157. Jong’s comments are disgusting, to say the least. What a bunch of snobbish elites, who don’t think their s*** doesn”t stink. Well, it does. I am so disappointed in so-called “feminists.” They are “feminists” in name only (FINO). Their actions certainly do not support this.

    Palin is more of a “feminist” than these blowhards could ever think of being.

  158. nice comment on bitterpoliticz – don’t have the time right now to look up the article link:

    From the National Review…..I think this is pretty funny (and very true)

    +++

    Monday, September 08, 2008

    BARACK OBAMA, HILLARY CLINTON

    This is a really awkward time for Obama to ask Hillary to be his attack dog.

    If Barack Obama really wanted Hillary Clinton to be his attack dog, he should have made her his running mate.

    As it is, he’s asking her, “hey, sorry about that bitter primary thing, calling your husband racist, and the lack of campaign debt relief. Could you do me a favor and alienate a certain portion of your voters, obliterate your newfound respect from some corners of the right, and incinerate your chance to head a Democratic ticket in 2012 by making a kamikaze run at America’s newest sweetheart, in order to save my tuckus? Thanks.”

  159. article on CNN.com:

    cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/rollins.convention/index.html

    (excerpt)

    If Obama had done the smart thing, he would have picked Sen. Hillary Clinton for vice president. If he had, he would have united his party for sure and energized his base.

    He just couldn’t do it and maybe thought he didn’t need to do it. He was wrong. That choice would have meant that McCain probably wouldn’t have picked Palin. And if McCain had picked anybody else from his shortlist, the Republican convention would have been boring, and the party’s base would not have been motivated.

    The one thing we know for sure — the selection of Biden did the least to enhance any ticket since George H.W. Bush picked Dan Quayle back in 1988. This is turning out to be another election the Democrats were convinced they couldn’t lose. So far, the selection of Palin has been a game-changer and has energized my party like no one since Ronald Reagan did four decades ago.

  160. LMAO! Good post on noquarter with a suggestion for Palin at her next rally (what to say):


    Can you imagine Palin saying something like: “Oh my goodness, did any of you happen to read this interesting article at the Huffington Post recently? Ohhhhhhhhh – you don’t read the Huffington Post? Ohhhhhhhh welllllll, let me tell ya then. It seems that a lady there by the name of Erica Jong said…wellllllll, I won’t read ya the whole thing don’t cha know, but here is the jist of it:

    “Not that I think Sarah Palin will make it to VP. But given the repugnicans’(oh yeah, she does make a point of saying RE-PUG-NICANS) habit of caging votes, it’s certainly one horrid possibility.

    White trash America certainly has allure for voters. Some people think rednecks are more American than Harvard educated intellectuals of mixed race. God help us in the next election. The NRA and the oil industry sure won’t.”

    Now what do ya make of that? I never KNEW there was a “White Trash America”! Did YOU know there was a White Trash America? I was always raised with the belief, and I still DO believe it, that we were all, “One Nation, Under God, Indivisable with liberty and justice for ALL.”

    Do you think Erica Jong was calling ME and my family White Trash America or was she calling YOU White Trash America for liking me? I can’t figure it out – maybe YOU guys can help me figure it out on November 4th.

  161. mp – exactly. the Clintons have always known that it’s the elitist attitude and weakness on Foreign Policy that lose Democrats elections (and now it’s sexism), and i don’t think they’ll buy into BO’s surrogates bashing so called “white trash.”

  162. I guess one of the debate questions for all 4 candidates will be:
    do you white trash bags or black trash bags?

    Seriously….that is very important!!!

  163. I’m not trying to be “holier than thou” but there is something that I have been wondering…

    I once worked with a guy who had the nastiest mouth around. He constantly made fun of people behind their backs and was nice to their faces. He also was a Christian and went to church every Sunday. I asked him once if he thought by going to church it absolved him of the way he treated others for the other six days of the week. He was stunned when I asked.

    I know this might sound pollyanna, but I wonder about those who call others “white trash” and everything else under the sun. Where is the moral compass here?

  164. The more I read about Sarah Palin’s social views, the more I’m comfortable with her positions. She is basically a ‘libertarian’ conservative, in my opinion.

    Obama wants to increase so-called ‘faith-based’ governorment handouts, Palin says it’s sufficient, no need….
    —————————
    A friend* points out the answers gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin gave to a series of questions posed by the Anchorage Daily News in October 2006. On the issue of abortion, her answer suggests that as a public official Palin takes a constitutionalist approach to the question:

    QUESTION: If Roe v. Wade were overturned and states could once again prohibit abortion, in your view, to what extent should abortion be prohibited in Alaska?

    PALIN: Under this hypothetical scenario, it would not be up to the governor to unilaterally ban anything. It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.

    Palin said she opposes “the use of public funds for elective abortions.” On another social-conservative issue, she was asked:

    QUESTION: Do you support an increase in state-funded, faith-based initiatives?

    PALIN: We see an adequate level of funding for faith-based initiatives today.

  165. My hubby is beginning to wonder if Steinem and Jong are not playing long-term chess – going so over the top deliberately in order to fuel the outrage and put McCain/Palin in, stop Obama, and set up Hill for 2012 – all with complete deniability, because they can say they vigorously supported the Dem candidate.

  166. BTW – I can’t stand Geraldo Rivera, but he said on TV yesterday that he himself has FIVE kids, and often goes on assignment for weeks at a time to places like Iraq. He said no one has EVER asked him in the workplace, not once, who was caring for his kids. He was quite indignant.

  167. kostner, the “not including cell phone users skew the polls against Obama” thing is so tired. Myself and my 2 sisters are all over 45. NONE of us has a land line, and haven’t for several years. My 76 year old mother-in-law texts me constantly.

    These idiots think youth are the only ones with cellphones. Puhleeeze.

  168. The White male vote

    No Democratic presidential candidate has won the White Male voter over since 1964. That Barack Obama will not win White males is not at issue: of course he will not. The real question is how badly he will fall below the identical 36% Gore and Kerry got. In the last six months there has been a consist figure of 20% of White voters who have stated that not only will they not vote for Obama, but that they will instead vote for McCain. Both Gore and Kerry are White males. It is easy to see how Obama could set a record for low votes among White males. Obama capturing just 32% or less of the White male vote is very possible. A 4 point slip by Obama will be deadly to his hopes.

  169. The Female vote: 55 to 57% of electorate

    In 2000 Al Gore won this group by 12 points but lost the election. In 2004 John Kerry won this group by 3 points but lost the election.

    Neither had any particular trouble with female voters. Neither was reported to have disrespected a female reporter, nor did either have any organized groups of women proclaiming that they would never vote for either of them. There were no charges of sexism against either man. In fact Gore actually turned over the responsibilities for dressing him everyday to a woman.

    Today the polls of women voters are all over the board. One says he is up 14 points another says up 5 points and another says he leads by just 2 points. Both of these men lost, yet neither had beaten a woman in the primaries. Neither had dashed the hopes of a woman who represented the best hope for a woman president in history. Neither had publicly snubbed a female for his Vice Presidential running mate. Given these facts it is very hard to see how any of them would help deliver Obama the female voter numbers he will need. How many will be disaffected former Hillary Clinton supporters is hard to say, but the loss of even 7 points in this column is very possible, and that will be disastrous for Obama.

    As of Saturday Sept 6, that disastrous 7 point number had arrived. Obama’s lead among women is now 51% to 44%. His lead fell 7 points in four days. He now has no margin for error among women and there are still 60 plus days to go.

  170. The Catholic vote

    Catholics who will be 27% of the electorate, had always been a fairly reliable voting block for Democratic Presidential candidates, but that has been changing. In 2000 Al Gore won Catholics with just a 50/47 margin and lost the election. In 2004 John Kerry lost Catholics 52/46 largely because of a new awareness among adherent Catholics that Democrats stand for abortion over life. Groups like Catholics Against Kerry, which I co chaired, were instrumental in spreading the word of Kerry’s ardent support of abortion and Catholics listened.

    Nevertheless, John Kerry’s problems with Catholics pale in comparison to those that confront Barack Obama and they have not been made less serious by the addition of Joe Biden to his ticket.

    No previous presidential ticket has ever been so far out of the mainstream of American thought on abortion. Joe Biden has built a career by hectoring and insulting any judicial nominee that does not totally support abortion on demand at any stage of a pregnancy. His support for using abortion as a litmus test for federal judgeships is on record. Yet Barack Obama goes even further with his personal lust to support abortion. He has voted three times against Born Alive Baby Protection acts that would spare miracle abortion survivors from further attempts on their young lives. Not even Barbra Boxer would stoop to vote against extending legal and medical protection to abortion surviving victims because even she recognizes they are the most vulnerable among us.

  171. Evangelical vote

    Evangelical Christians are equally as excited about the McCain/Palin ticket.

    In 2000 George Bush won while getting just 57% of the Evangelical vote. This comparatively low number has been explained by the deflated level enthusiasm Evangelical voters felt after the last minute release of sealed court records showing Bush had been arrested on a DWI charge 28 years before election night. Given that close call Evangelical voters returned to the GOP ticket in 2004 giving Bush 71 % of their support. In 2006 the Evangelical support for Republicans once again sagged back to 2000 levels as just 58% turned out for the GOP. This time the reduced Evangelical support cost the Republicans control of the Congress. This is not a fact that will be lost on this group of keenly engaged voters. The 2000 and 2006 elections suggest a baseline for Evangelical support. In 2000 their 57% support was enough to help the Republicans squeak by, no one can argue that McCain/Palin will do less than the 71% Bush got in 2004 from the Envangelicals. Sarah Palin is an Evangelical Christian. She is one of their own. The explosion of enthusiasm for her candidacy among all Republicans and especially Evangelical voters will more likely move the Evangelical vote above the 71% level. Every point above baseline she brings to her ticket will move victory further away from the Obama/Biden ticket. In fact the GOP ticket could do 75% of Evangelicals.

  172. The Jewish vote

    Although only 4% of the total of all voters, support among Jewish voters is important to Democrats because it enables them raise money and volunteers in many key states such as Florida and Michigan and New Jersey.

    In 2000 Gore got 79% of this vote and still lost the election. In 2004 Kerry got 74% of Jewish voter support and still lost the election. Neither had any problem with Jewish voters. This is very far from the case in Barcak Obama’s relationship to these key voters. A recent poll showed Obama is carrying just 57% of the Jewish vote. A recent news report posted from South Florida, told of an Obama representative being booed out of a meeting hall by 300 Jewish seniors, worried about anti Semitism in the background of Barack Obama and his top advisers. If there were any lingering doubts about how the Jewish community, a Rabbi in Governor Palin’s home state has praised her saying Palin has “established a great relationship with the Jewish community over recent years, and has attended several of our Jewish cultural gala events…”

  173. The Black vote

    This group will be 11 percent of the electorate. Traditionally any Democratic candidate needed to only appear on a ballot to gain 90% of Black votes. In fact that is just what both Gore and Kerry did ( Kerry actually 89%).

    Obama’s plans to win the states of Virginia, Florida, and North Carolina rest on some lofty goals involving Black voters, but are they realistic? In each state he must hold all of the White vote Kerry got and increase the Black turnout by unattainable numbers,(30% in Virginia, 23% in Florida and 36% in North Carolina ) and he must also garner at least 95% of the Black vote. This might sound like the easiest of the three requirements, but it is far from an easy task.

    The same Zogby survey talked in murky terms about Obama suffering some “loss of support among Blacks and Hispanics.” Unless he was sitting on 100% support to begin with, any “loss of support” would most likely drive his Black support back to more traditional Democratic numbers. There is no real chance that these plans will work. Black voters can not save Obama.

  174. Hispanic vote

    Latino voters will be 12% of total voters.

    In 2000 Gore got 62% of this group and lost. In 2004 Kerry got 55% and lost. The election of neither man presented a threat to Hispanic Americans. Both are angelos who would change nothing about the relationship they had to government. This is of course not the case this year. As a Black man Barack Obama represents a genuine threat to the progress Hispanics have made toward recognition as the nations number one minority.

    More than this, Hispanic values clash sharply with those of the Obama/Biden team. Some Hispanics will see both men as threats to their way of life and their moral sensibilities. As the next two months unfold and a clearer picture of just what Obama is about is painted, Hispanics might see little reason to support him.

    If McCain/Palin holds Obama to even 60% it will spell trouble for Obama since most Hispanics are located in Democratic supporting states. The huge number of Hispanic votes he will get in California New York and Illinois won’t change the Electoral College count.

  175. Base support

    In 2000 Gore had 88% of his base support and lost to George Bush’s 91%. In 2004 Kerry had 89% of his base support and lost to Bush’s 93%. Examination of 2000 2004 and 2006 voting patterns strengthens the argument that neither party can win with less than 90% of its base. It also strongly indicates that the further down a party’s base support slips from the required 90%, the less chance of victory it has. In 2006 the Republican base moved sharply away from its party and voted just 83% for the GOP while rank and file Democrats voted 92% for their party. Worse still for any 2006 chance for victory the GOP might have had, was the fact that fully 15% of registered Republicans voted Democratic.

    The most current Zogby poll shows Obama at just 86%, a sharp increase from earlier numbers, but still well behind the 92% base support John McCain has.

    As we have seen with today’s news the “bounce” Obama got from his convention lasted less than an even his “European bounce.”

    If there are any states where McCain was winning a month ago and is now behind, or any states where Obama was winning by a small margin but is now in a commanding lead, in a recognized poll, the media is not reporting on them.

    The deadly results of crossover voters

    In each presidential election there is a certain percentage of Republicans who vote Democratic and a certain percentage of Democrats who vote Republican.

    When other factors are relatively even, it is these groups that turn elections. In 1976 20% of Republicans voted for the Carter/Mondale ticket and pushed it to victory. In 1980 Ronald Reagan was able to capture a stunning 26% of Democrats and roll to a huge victory. Four years later he duplicated this 26% feat, added them to newly minted Republicans, crushed Walter Mondale and the phrase “Reagan Democrat” was coined.

    While he did let 9% of Reagan Democrats go, George Bush senior got a strong 17% of Democrats to vote for him. He won handily.

    Crossover voters dwindled down to just a net plus 5 points for George Bush junior in 2004, and he won with a solid margin.

    Since March when it became obvious that the Democrats would nominate either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, there has been a consistent 20% of Democrats who say not only would they not be voting Democratic, but they would instead vote for John McCain. Obama/Biden is sitting on 86% of base support. Where are the other 14% going? If half of these disaffected Democrats actually does make good on the threat to switch sides it will be an early Election night.

  176. Sarah had a baby at 44 and barely missed a single beat as governor — I’m awed at this. Most women must be too.

    When I started campaigning for Hillary, a common reponse from Dems as well as Ind and Reps, — and a relative — was “I just can’t stand Hillary”. Thanks to Obama, I don’t hear that any more. She earned people’s respect by her tenacity and grace, and we can start from a much higher place in 2012.

    As for the states, I’d be surprised if FL and OH don’t go to McCain. That makes MI and CO vital to O. It’s very close. My theory is that in states where O is close and below 47, 46, 45, he won’t get the rest and will lose those states. Unless there’s a big change in the status quo which is possible.

    I believe in my reading about polls and pollsters that over the years, Gallup actually has a very good reliable record. I hope the author is correct.

  177. I’m from PA and I really don’t think they will go for Obama, at least I hope not. I’m pretty sure small town and rural won’t and that’s where I live, in central PA.

    What we all have to do is try to get the Hillary supporters who are planning to stay home, to get out and vote for McCain.

    My husband and I were going to do that, but then I told him we can’t take the chance of closing the gap, that we must get out and vote Obama out.

    I’m really so glad he didn’t choose Hillary for VP because as much as it would pain me not to vote with her on the ticket, I wasn’t going to, because I absolutely do not want Obama in!

    He really was stupid for not choosing her, but again, I’m glad he didn’t. I don’t want Hillary having to be anywhere near that thug. He doesn’t deserve her bringing in the votes for him.

  178. All this negative media press by the left, is going to have a major backlash, which we may be seeing in the polls. FOX was pretty fair last night. Geraldo’s statement was great. He gets it. I am so disgusted, that if I was undecided before, this would have pushed me over the edge. I don’t have to agree with Sarah Palins views, but I can admire her intelligence, grit, tenacity, and charm. BO certainly pales in comparison, not that I had any respect for him before. As Admin says, “He is a boob.”

  179. Great and inspired article. Obama is sinking and CNN and MSNBC can’t stop it. He is going down fast and furious. The hopium is dissipating and people are coming down from cloud nine.

  180. I was saddened to hear and a little surprised to her Geraldine Ferraro say that she will now vote for Obama. She said on Hannity and Colmes that his choice of Biden was the deciding factor because she had questions about Obama’s foreighn experience. I can’t believe it took her two weeks to express that thought. But, it seems suspicious to me that she only said this after Obama really sanked after the Pahlin announcement.

    It seems that whenever Obama gets into big trouble someone unexpected always come to his defense and endorses him.

    It said that Obama was sending out big named women democrats to his defense. I will say that she did defend Pahlin about her motherhood because she said that she herself was a working mom at the time she was vp.

    It seems that the democrats main mission is to get a democrat in office.

    I was also very suprised to see that Kristen lady (blond-haired) on the OReilly Factor I think defend Pahlin although she doesn’t support her views.

  181. Yes it is very informative, substantative figure of how Bambi will lose this and the interesting this is, its clear black voters canot save him, he cannot get a higher ceiling that Kerry or Gore got and the fact in the primaries he barely carried 30% or less in any primary against Hillary will do him in.

  182. Hell of a way to help bambi.

    Iranians (Islamic Leaders) Hoping for ‘Muslim’ Obama Victory Iran’s leadership has expressed “great pleasure” at the prospect of a Barack Obama victory in November, according to Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service. But Iranian President Ahmadinejad has said he doubts that the American establishment “will allow” Obama to win. “One of the Iranian religious leaders said if Obama will enter the White House, then Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation,” Amir told Isracast.com

  183. JanH Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    independent2008,

    I agree with you. Very disappointed in Ferraro as well.

    —————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    I just wondered why she felt the need to suddenly announce it now. I just have a hard time believing it was Biden who put it over the top for her. She acted as if it was Obama’s foreign policy inexperience was the real issue with her before now. She never mentioned it before. But I did find it odd that she was suddenly softening towards Obama lately and before this announcement. Oh well……

    What prominent democrat will come out and endorse him next? I thought I read that Sheila Jackson Lee now supports Obama. Is that true? 🙁

  184. # JanH Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    independent2008,
    I agree with you. Very disappointed in Ferraro as well.”

    I don’t like it, but it is hard for me to be judgmental of a person who has been in the line of fire for as many years as Ferraro; same thing with Hillary. I don’t like to think that I have the “courage of the non-combatant.”

  185. good commentator on RD – “Janis” –

    #
    Janis, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 pm Said:

    SweetSue, like I’ve said, Palin herself doesn’t matter. What matters now is clout. When you play chess,y ou move the pieces that will help you win, not the ones you like.
    #
    SweetSue, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:03 pm Said:

    Oh and what Janis said.
    #
    plural, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm Said:

    SweetSue is right about the comparison with Reagan, however.
    #
    Janis, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm Said:

    Sure she is — but we need to stop thinking of our votes as a personal endorsement of the candidate as a human being, and a wish for them to ascend into heaven. It is a strategic thing, nothing more. and in the long run, it will help women so much more to be feared than to be taken for granted.

  186. On the one hand I am disappointed in Ferraro, but she did say some positive things when she was interviewed for Fox’s Palin profile.

    Makes me think that she has no choice but to tow the line.

  187. another interesting comment on RD:

    #
    IronMan, on September 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm Said:

    Indded, the polls reflect a snapshot in time.

    One thing though, and I think this is important to note, is that these polls are sampling a GREATER number of Demcrats than Repuublicans. For McCain-Palin to be ahead of Ozero with the sample actually having MORE Democrats in it, is telling.

    Keep Going!
    Stand Up!

    McCain-Palin ‘08
    Hillary ‘12

  188. Yup it means and i calculated this earlier McCain must be pulling approximately 65% of the independents votes to be where he is with the % samples.

  189. He’s done it: McCain just sang the praises of Todd Palin as a fisherman and union man at a rally in Missouri, saying his values are the ones he wants to bring to Washington.

    You were warned here first. Todd Palin is McCain’s blue-collar weapon.

    Sarah Palin continues to suck the oxygen out news coverage and public interest. Love her or hate her, people are fascinated. And the media is following like a Yukon gold rush. She has dominated the front pages since her surprise nomination more than a week ago. Given the typical American attention span, this may not last, but don’t count on it.

    How Hilarious is it that there’s no mistaking a changed dynamic. There’s also a weird roll reversal, with Obama doing small town halls to look more substantive, and McCain drawing thousands to rallies, now that he’s suddenly exciting.

  190. JanH said re Ferraro:
    Makes me think that she has no choice but to tow the line.
    ===============

    Considering Ferraro’s age and terminal illness, what could anyone threaten her with?

  191. As far as Biden not helping Obama, I honestly believe Obama’s choices for VP were slim to none.

    The idea that he thought Biden would be a better choice than Hillary (even though I never wanted her for the vp position) is just ludicrous.

  192. I just saw this on a blog.

    My 13 year old daughter was telling me over the weekend that the 8th grade AA students in her class have been making fun of Obama and saying he is so not cool anymore and a joke. She claims that on Friday they were saying that Obama face is better suited for food stamps rather than money!! LOL

    Granted, this is South Carolina but this is a public middle school and African American students saying this. I was shocked and think this bodes very well for McCain/Palin.

  193. moononpluto:

    you sure are quick fingered…jumping from site to another….maybe you have two or more computers..
    and so alive….doing your “secret” job from turkey….and apparently staying late or rather getting up early…

    thanks for being there for us all the time..

  194. HillaryforTexas Says:
    kostner, the “not including cell phone users skew the polls against Obama” thing is so tired.
    ====================

    That’s what Rove thought in 2006. 😉

    Iirc, last month’s Pew poll said that they did phone both land lines and cells. I think it’s in a diary linked from turndownobama.com

  195. Great article………..Bill will remind young Mr. Obama what happens when you screw the Clintons. Remember, if he loses, big media will blame them /her anyway….at least MSNBC has been forced to remove Tweetide and Olberman as hosts of political events…the crap that spewed out was tolerated far too long. Next, hope the Clintons go after Dean, Clyburn, Brazille, Pelosi(hard to believe she is 3rd in line) and the rest of DNC..

  196. # JanH Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    As far as Biden not helping Obama, I honestly believe Obama’s choices for VP were slim to none.

    The idea that he thought Biden would be a better choice than Hillary (even though I never wanted her for the vp position) is just ludicrous.

    ***
    well,international events played well into the hands of the Republicans – the timing especially of the Russian invasion of Georgia was the period when BO was selecting a running mate – and it likely pushed him towards Biden. The CNN article that I posted above, granted it’s by Reagan’s former campaign manager, but says that the Biden choice has been the most ineffective choice since Quayle. Interesting that the Republicans are criticizing their own – it takes that little Quayle card away from OToddler who shouldn’t be wielding it. Palin is turning out to be as far as you can get from a Quayle quality VP.

  197. HillaryforTexas Says:
    My hubby is beginning to wonder if Steinem and Jong are not playing long-term chess – going so over the top deliberately in order to fuel the outrage and put McCain/Palin in, stop Obama, and set up Hill for 2012
    ===================

    Why woul d they blow their cred among Hillary people as they are doing? Not enough benefit for them. However maybe they are doing it to GAIN cred among the ‘new geneartion’ that wants to push HIllary’s generation out of NARAL etc.

    Personally I think there’s a ‘beyond abortion’ generation out there. In Steinem’s time we required abortion so we coudl choose bewteen babies and career. Palin is making it possible to have BOTH! A breast pump on the deks in the Oval Office!!!???!!

  198. another good comment on RD: makes sense to be cautious as any decline in McCain’s polling will be heralded as an Obama surge by the in-the-tank media.

    #
    Charles Lemos, on September 8th, 2008 at 12:51 pm Said:

    The Gallup Poll is a random poll. While it does point to a shift in the race, I would not in the least believe that McCain is up by 10. It’s rare to have such a move absent any major news or development. The Palin pick is gaining traction however and McCain is clearly enjoying the moment. No doubt and what I like about the Gallup Poll is that shows the timing and direction but to think that McCain is up by 10 is far-fetched. The Rasmussen Poll is a weighted poll. McCain is up by one in that one. By weighted it means that it takes the likely demographic breakout and polls accordingingly. Gallup doesn’t. It just picks at random. It does have a large sample size but it isn’t as accurate as the Rasmussen poll.

    The CNN poll has Obama up by one. It is a rolling average poll and a poll of polls. It is important to understand what these terms are so you can cut through the noise. It makes sense that Obama is up by one in the CNN because it takes multiple polls over several days and averages them out. Obama in the CNN poll is still benefitting from his lead earlier in the week.

    The Gallup Poll tells you direction. The Rasmussen poll tells you where the race likely is.

    Mawn is right in that Obama overpolls generally. The other point to keep in mind is we have yet to see the state by state polls. Those will start to come this week again. There may be one for Tennessee, I have to go check my inbox.

    Please don’t get carried away. The race remains competitive. The good news is that it is breaking against Obama.

  199. new ad from McCain/Palin as NQ says, taking that change agent card away from Otoddler:

    Great ad – the Original Mavericks

    youtube.com/watch?v=bVIaqCjvLpU

  200. Howard Dean’s focus group, laughable!
    ————————–
    TOM BROKAW: What did you think of Sarah Palin last night?

    HOWARD DEAN: I think the first half was terrific. I thought she really laid out who she was. I was fascinated. The second half, she sounded like Dick Cheney, she really did. The same old attack stuff, the same old canards about Democrats that mostly weren’t true.

    If only Brokaw had thought to ask Dean to mention the canards that were true! In any case, a bit later Dean described how he keeps his finger on the people’s pulse.

    BROKAW: But from a tonal point of view, and an introduction of herself to the country, pretty successful speech.

    DEAN: You know, I sort of do any informal focus group. My wife has a doctor’s office in Burlington and five women work for her and some of them are Republicans. They all said pretty much just what I said: they thought that the first half of the speech was really interesting and that she was kind of mean in the second half of the speech.

  201. Joe Trippi’s argument about cell phones not being factored into polling was tried back during the PA, WV, OH, TX primaries, when Obama tried to hide the truth that every poll showed him losing badly. And we all know how those second-half primaries went — he got creamed.

    Obama’s campaign hasn’t done a damn thing to correct the slide that started at halftime of the primary season, and he’s en route to lose badly in November. We will remember, DNC: we’re coming after Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Brazile, Obama and the rest of you losers.

  202. Obama’s arrogance is coming home to roost. Now everyone is criticizing him for not offering her VP. Hillary didn’t want the job, and he was too arrogant to offer it publically and have her turn it down publically.

  203. moononpluto,

    my instinct has been telling me for a long time that MI is the best shot McCain has to flip a blue state this cycle. WSJ has a fascinating piece on the state of the race in MI.
    ———————————-
    McCain Makes a Run at Michigan, A Wavering Democratic Stronghold

    If John McCain becomes the nation’s 44th president, it may be thanks to Michigan — a prize the Republicans think they can claim for the first time in nearly 20 years.

    On Friday, Sen. McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, arrived in this auto-plant town in Detroit’s suburbs to begin their final election sprint. The goal: Persuade disaffected voters like Howard Mitchell that Republicans still deserve their support.

    Mr. Mitchell, a 28-year-old video technician at an auto plant in nearby Pontiac, would seem a promising target for the Democrats this year. In 2000, he bucked his Republican neighbors and voted for Al Gore for President. And while he backed George W. Bush in 2004, today he is angry about Michigan’s weak economy and nervous about the handling of Iraq. Mr. Mitchell says he wants change.

    The good news for Republicans: Sen. McCain offers plenty of change for him.

    “What bothers me most with Obama, he has no experience,” says the burly, tattooed, divorced father of one, who says he’s working two jobs now to afford health insurance for his daughter. “I believe in change, too. But what kind of change is Obama talking about?”

    Michigan is a perennial must-win for Democratic candidates, as well as a bellwether for how the party will fare in nearby Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. This week, the Obama camp launched its first television ads targeted directly at Michigan voters. One, titled “Revitalize” accuses McCain of “selling out” Michigan auto workers. Spending on TV is a tacit acknowledgment the Democrats consider Michigan competitive this year.

    Michigan is home to the original “Reagan Democrats,” white, working-class voters who swung Republican. Today, on paper, conditions here favor the Democrats. Unemployment stands at 8.5%, the nation’s highest. Michigan’s home-foreclosure rate is twice the national average, which should make it easy for Sen. Obama to campaign against a Republican who stumbled when asked how many houses he owns. Democrats have won the state in four out of the past five presidential races.

    However, Sen. Obama is the one who might face an uphill battle. For starters, he chose not to participate in Michigan’s primary in January — a decision that now deprives his campaign of a ready-made network of supporters. (Michigan held its primary earlier than the national Democratic Party wanted, so Sen. Obama and several others stayed off the ballot in solidarity with the party.) At the same time, Sen. McCain plays well among moderate Republicans and independents who dislike George W. Bush, whom Sen. McCain beat handily in the party’s 2000 Michigan primary.

    Michigan also has some of the most complex race relations north of the Mason-Dixon line. “Michigan is a challenge for any Democratic candidate,” says Amy Chapman, the head of the Obama campaign here. “Everyone thinks it’s blue. But you have to work hard to make it blue.”

  204. While the Obama campaign hopes to pick up a handful of reliably Republican states like Colorado in November, the flip-side is also true: The McCain campaign could win the White House by picking off a few traditional Democratic states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or Minnesota.

    Losing Michigan would be a tough blow for the Democrats. In 2004’s general election, George W. Bush defeated John Kerry by 286 to 251 in electoral-college votes. If Sen. McCain picks up Michigan’s 17 electoral votes, Sen. Obama would then have to pick up both Colorado and Nevada simply to offset the loss of Michigan. Then, to make up the rest of Democrats’ 2004 shortfall, Sen. Obama would almost certainly have to prevail in several big states the Republicans won last time, including Virginia, Missouri, Ohio or Florida.

    Right now, Sen. Obama holds a slim lead in recent statewide polls. However in the crucial Detroit area (where about half of Michigan’s votes will be cast) some results foreshadow trouble for the Democrats. Most important: A Detroit Free Press poll in late August showed some 30% of area voters saying that they’re open to switching preferences before November — a significantly higher figure than normal. The vast majority of these wavering voters are white, polling experts say, making the state’s racial politics particularly important.

    Skipping the primary here means Sen. Obama faces significant logistical hurdles. For one thing, the Obama camp has no record of precincts where he did well or poorly; those data are invaluable for focusing on weak pockets in the final stretch of the race.

    The Obama camp also acknowledges that skipping the primary probably deprived Democrats of a big bump in new voter registration, which soared in places like Georgia, Ohio and North Carolina ahead of primaries there. The Obama campaign says 495,828 new Michigan voters registered this year, but after factoring in the thousands of voters who died or moved away, the newcomers barely compensate for natural attrition. Michigan’s state election office counts just under 80,000 additional voters on the rolls compared to 2004. By contrast, there are over a million more voters this cycle in neighboring Ohio.

    Skipping Michigan’s primary also left Sen. Obama with a lot of work to do introducing himself to voters. Voters here already know and like Sen. McCain: Back in 2000, he easily won Michigan’s Republican primary — dealing Mr. Bush one of his biggest defeats of that race — almost entirely with the votes of crossover Democrats and independents.

    “A vote for McCain is a protest against the status quo,” said Daniel Marsh, a longtime supporter of Sen. McCain and tax attorney who lives in Troy, Mich., echoing a theme of Sen. McCain’s acceptance speech on Thursday night. Dave Lenich, a 55-year-old carpenter, says he thinks “McCain will come in and clean house.”

    The Obama camp vigorously argues that it can win here by staying on message — a simple message that says eight years of Republican management have devastated Michigan’s economy, and that Sen. McCain represents a continuation of, not a break from, those policies. Not only has the housing-market slump and foreclosure rate been particularly painful here, but at the same time Michigan has suffered eight years of job losses in the auto industry.

    “We’re not taking anything for granted,” says Michigan campaign spokesman Brent Colburn. “And we’re not leaving anything behind.”

    The Obama campaign also says its strength lies in its field staff, including 200 paid employees in 31 offices so far, well more than what the Kerry campaign deployed here four years ago. It believes it can register an additional 100,000 to 150,000 new voters between now and Michigan’s Oct. 6 deadline, with up to 30,000 coming just from the Detroit area.

    That raises another issue: depopulation. Detroit has been losing people faster than any other large U.S. city. That includes many black residents, likely Obama voters. More than 80,000 black Detroiters, almost 10% of the city’s population, left between 2000 and 2006, the most recent figures available, according to Brookings Institution demographer William Frey.

    The more dispersed Sen. Obama’s Detroit support base is, the harder it will be to roll up the numbers he needs to offset Sen. McCain’s areas of strength. And while television and radio ads can reach people who have migrated to the suburbs, the personal touch that helps propel voters to the polls on Election Day — one-on-one visits from volunteers, for instance — can be much harder to apply.

    Obama campaign worker Autumn Johnson is learning how hard it is to find new voters. The Wayne State University graduate student is taking the summer off to organize in her parent’s neighborhood on Detroit’s rough West Side. More than 15,000 black residents have left the area in the past six years, according to Michigan United Way demographer Kurt Metzger, leaving it with a population of 92,000. Abandoned homes are visible on just about every block.

    On a recent Saturday, Ms. Johnson canvassed barber shops and beauty parlors, part of the Obama campaign’s “B-and-B Initiative.” Pickings were slim.

    At Kwanzaa Clippers on Puritan Street, Ms. Johnson found two men in chairs, but both had already registered to vote. At Linda’s Perfect Cut Barber Shop nearby, she found just one person to hand a registration form to.

    “I’m sorry,” says Linda Harper, the 51-year-old owner. So many people have moved away, “some of my customers, I don’t see them now for years, sometimes.”

    Some black politicians have pointed out that the Obama campaign could help itself in some urban neighborhoods by deploying what’s called “street money” — essentially, paying people to spend time cajoling folks into filling out registration forms and getting them properly filed. Payment of street money isn’t illegal, but it has unsavory connotations. The Obama campaign has resisted the suggestion. “The campaign’s motto is: ‘This is a Volunteer Organization,’ ” says Ms. Chapman, the state’s top organizer.

    Sam Riddle, a fixture of Detroit’s black political scene, scoffs at that. “Volunteer? People volunteer because they can afford to volunteer. Detroit is not Iowa. It takes street money,” he says.

    Mr. Riddle also says the Obama campaign is in danger of losing the election here. Race is the main reason for that, he says. Michigan is considered one of the most segregated states in the country, by virtue of the fact that its largest city, Detroit, trails only Gary, Ind., as the U.S.’s most segregated metropolitan area. Demographers say Detroit is nearly 90% segregated — meaning, essentially, nine of 10 black residents would have to move to a white or Hispanic section of the city before racial patterns would balance out.

    Pollster Mark Grebner, a Michigan Democrat, says that states where the major cities are heavily segregated (Cleveland, Ohio, is another example) tend to have bitter racial politics, and blacks and whites seldom vote along similar lines.

  205. I am somewhat realistic about Ferraro’s and others endorsement of BHO. I would expect nothing less. They are the “party” elders and some are current leaders looking at their own reelection and status in the party.

    For every person (with the exception of a few like McCaskill and Jackson Jr.) that has endorsed BHO I hold no animosity as I understand the position they have been put in.

    They must put party and principle before personality…

    If we all could be a fly on the wall, we’d know exactly how they truly feel about BHO. I’d bet money it isn’t a glowing opinion of the messiah. I’d also bet they know that dems are going to lose the presidency.

    Let it be no surprise.

    I hold high regard for these leaders and elders, and I can agree to disagree.

  206. I am glad O didn’t offer the job of VP to Hillary. If she had turned it down in public, the dems would hate her. Especially since McCain pick was Palin.

  207. “Obama does not do well among whites in places with poisonous race relations,” says Mr. Grebner. “Portland, Oregon, is exactly the kind of place where Obama does well among whites,” whereas in Detroit, “Obama is not doing well among white people.”

    Bryan Capen, 36, voted for John Kerry in 2004, but last week, he turned up at a meeting of Citizens for McCain, a group Sen. McCain’s campaign is using to woo Democrats and independents. “Democrats for McCain” bumper stickers were available.

    Mr. Capen, a chiropractor now trying to make a living as a pianist, says he would have considered voting for Hillary Clinton this year, but not for Sen. Obama. He doesn’t know enough about the Democratic nominee, “his history, his decisions,” Mr. Capen says.

    The recent woes of Detroit’s black mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, haven’t helped. The son of an African-American politician, U.S. Representative Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, the mayor resigned this week as part of a plea bargain concerning multiple criminal charges for perjury, assault and obstruction of justice after trying to cover up a sexual liaison with a member of his staff. Mr. Kilpatrick didn’t return calls seeking comment.

    The long, drawn-out scandal had been a boon for Republicans in the state, thanks to a wave of unflattering stories that broke every time the mayor appeared in court. An online video highlighting Sen. Obama’s speech praising Mr. Kilpatrick recently got lots of attention from Detroit newspaper columnists and talk radio.

    Of Mr. Kilpatrick’s troubles, Sen. McCain campaign coordinator John Yob says, “we’re leaving it alone,” adding “It’s already out there.” Figures from both parties agree that, even with his resignation, the scandal has created unflattering associations between the Democrats’ nominee and Mr. Kilpatrick, whom Sen. Obama described as “a great mayor” during an NAACP event in Detroit last year, before the scandal broke.

    L. Brooks Patterson, one of the state’s leading Republican Party figures, says that Sen. McCain’s depth of experience in the Senate and the military gives voters strong reasons to pick him over Sen. Obama. “Michigan voters want a good reason to vote for McCain so they will not be perceived as racist,” Mr. Patterson says. “McCain has a lot of them.”

    Some people point to Michigan’s 2006 vote on affirmative action as an indicator of how people might behave in the privacy of the voting booth. That year, voters strongly chose to eliminate preferences for minorities in hiring and college admissions by a 58%-42% margin. In blue-collar Macomb Country (where Democratic candidates won easily in 2006) the vote against affirmative action soared to nearly 70%.

    Sen. Obama himself favors modifying affirmative action to emphasize class more than race. Still, the 2006 vote in Michigan serves as a warning to the Obama campaign in how voters’ masked their feelings in pre-election polls. Steve Mitchell, who polled voters for pro-affirmative-action groups, found that support for eliminating affirmative action never topped 45% in the months before Election Day. But in the final seven days, his polling detected more and more voters changing their minds.

    “As Election Day approached, voters had become more honest with themselves. They confronted how they actually felt,” Mr. Mitchell says.

    He draws a direct line between that outcome and this year’s presidential race. “There are people today who think they can really vote for an African-American,” Mr. Mitchell says, “but when they get into a ballot booth and no one is looking over their shoulders, they will decide they can’t, and vote for John McCain.”

  208. meiyingsu Says:
    It may well be god’s will to take a Sarah Palin to make Hillary Clinton a 45.
    =======

    YAY! What a great contest that would be, Sarah/anyone vs Hillary/anyone for Pres. I think both women are too decent and smart to attack each other. It would be great on the issues.

    (Seriously I doubt the GOP would nominate a woman for Pres so soon; VP is okay with them.)

  209. He draws a direct line between that outcome and this year’s presidential race. “There are people today who think they can really vote for an African-American,” Mr. Mitchell says, “but when they get into a ballot booth and no one is looking over their shoulders, they will decide they can’t, and vote for John McCain.”

    ****
    that line doesn’t sound very good – comes off badly. It should say “people today think they can really vote for an unqualified, corrupt, race-baiting and sexist candidate who happens to be African American, but…”

  210. For much of the summer, she carried Trig in a sling as she signed bills and sat through hearings, even nursing him unseen during conference calls.”

    Someone tell me again how an example like this in Washington would not be GOOD for women?
    =====================

    Exactly! Abortion (if it were really in danger) solves a temporary problem for some women. Allowing children on the job solves a bigger, longer problem for more women.

  211. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Hillary has a better shot at 2012 against Palin. If Obama and Dean/Pelosi/Brazile win, she and Bill are SHUT OUT of their own party, period.

    Scare tactics that “Voting in Palin hurts Hill” are going to abound. And maybe it does make it harder. But an Obama win makes it nigh IMPOSSIBLE.

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    RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT!!!

  212. someone on bitterpolitcz with a great little article:

    excerpt:mdjonline.com/content/index/showcontentitem/area/1/section/22/item/118254.html

    Want to know how Democratic strategists reacted to John McCain’s selection of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate? Let’s listen in and hear for ourselves:

    “Ok, folks, let’s get the meeting under way. We have a lot of issues to cover and Sen. Obama is anxious to see what we come up with. Let me start by saying I am pleased to introduce our new intern, Thigby. I am sure he will learn a lot from this group of political pros.

    “As we all know, Sen. McCain surprised us by picking Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, and it got a lot of positive press. We’ve got to figure out how to counter his move and get our campaign back on the offensive. Let’s start with you, Roberts. Any thoughts?”

    “Sir, it is a no-brainer. As a governor, Palin has zero expertise in foreign policy.”

    “Astute observation, Roberts. Yes, Thigby?”

    “Sir, I know as a governor she has no foreign policy experience, but what about Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton? Weren’t they governors, too? They had no foreign policy experience, and they were elected president. What makes her different?”

    “Thank you, Thigby.”

    “Carson, I see you have your hand up.”

    “The little twerp, Thigby, forgets that this woman is one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. To think she would be next in line to be president is frightening.”

    “It certainly scares me, Carson. Yes, Thigby?”

    “Sir, what about our presidential candidate? Sen. Obama hasn’t served one term in the U.S. Senate and before that he was in the Illinois Senate. He wasn’t even a governor. That doesn’t sound like much experience to me. He isn’t a heartbeat away from the presidency either, sir. If elected, he would be the president. Are we saying you can have no foreign policy expertise and be president, but you must be experienced to be vice president? Frankly, that doesn’t make sense.”

  213. I am not overly concerned about Hillary against Palin. That race will be fought on issues and I expect Hillary to win it.
    =================

    Yes. Hillary will have party (Dems united) and experience/fluency — and AGE. Hillary at 64 will get her turn first; Palin will have other chances. (If the GOP actually nominates a woman for Pres at all.)

  214. kostner,

    I am soooooooooo sick of the media finding ways to thrust race into this election.

    OK I admit there are some bigots out there…is that what they want me to say?

    Is it enough to change this election?…in my opinion yes …if BHO can get all the AA’s registered and out to vote… and no…there won’t be an upswing in registration against BHO because he is black.

  215. There was a discussion on here about Oprah not having Gov Palin on her show. Oprah is afraid if she has Palin on her staff and audience would all end up voting for her after the interview. She is no fool.

  216. debbie,

    If the media wants to thrust race into this election, they would do an analysis of why such a high number of AAs are voting for Obama. Why is it okay to slam non-AAs for not voting for him but its racist to talk about the alternative?

  217. im all nobama. but i will fight to keep a demcongress. no way in hell will i sit back for a gop run govt.

  218. Obama is sounding more petty and more SHRILL by the day…when he went off on McCain using the ‘change’ and “come on now, who’s he kidding – words, matter” theme he sounded like such a punk…

    …he just does not come across as presidential or even polished and sophisticated…call me crazy, when he comes bouncing up to the mike to speak my first thought/image is always ‘a basketball player’

    …defintely a ‘player’

  219. The media is descending into tabloid… But this article is kind of fun to read… A recount of Miss Alaska who beat Sarah Palin(photo attached)! By the way, she supports Obama!

    h t t p : / / http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/stories/2008/09/08/blackburn_palin_cobb.html

    Smyrna’s Maryline Blackburn won the 1984 Miss Alaska beauty pageant. The first runner-up? Sarah Palin, nee Heath – the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee.

    “My first impression was, ‘Oh my god, she’s gorgeous, she’ll probably be the one who wins,” Blackburn, a recording artist, recalled Monday afternoon.

    Second impression?

    “She had this look about her, this look in her eyes that tells you she’s calculating, figuring out ‘How am I going to win this competition,’ ” Blackburn said. “There was a determination there.”

    And that became evident when she tripped you during the evening gown competition?

    “No,” Blackburn laughed. “Sarah would never do anything like that. In pageants, there’s pettiness and the little claws come out. But if Sarah was anything like that, she hid it very well.”

    Instead, the flute player from small town Wasilla, who was Miss Congeniality in the pageant, wrote Blackburn a lovely note on the back of a group photo at pageant’s end: “I do love you. You’re more admired than even you know. And please keep God Number One. He’s got great things for you, baby. Love, Sarah Heath.”

    Blackburn, Alaska’s first African American representative to the Miss America pageant, spoke in between sessions at a Midtown studio. She’s recording her fourth CD. Pop, rock, R&B and gospel are her genres. She has performed with Bob Hope and Peabo Bryson and tours Europe and South America.

    Blackburn, who has called metro Atlanta home for 22 years, had no idea her erstwhile competition had become governor, let alone the veep prospect. Her younger brother called her with the news last week.

    “I’ve seen bits and pieces of her speech the other night and that look in her eyes is the look I saw 24 years ago – determined,” Blackburn said. “She’s a hellified speaker. She’s definitely polished.”

    But is she qualified to be vice president?

    “That remains to be seen,” Blackburn said. “There’s not a lot of substance there, from the speech I’ve seen and what I’ve heard and read about who she is and what she’s done. I just don’t know.”

    Surely you’ll vote for your ex-nemesis, though, right?

    “No,” Blackburn said, “I am in the Obama camp.”

  220. texan4hillary Says:
    im all nobama. but i will fight to keep a demcongress. no way in hell will i sit back for a gop run govt
    ================

    See Heidi Li’s blog. I think she will have research on which Dems supported HIllary and need help. By helping them we send a clear message and keep Congress Dem.

  221. Saw HIllary today on the news. She looks tired.
    She looks like she has a lot of pressure on her.

    Hillary, Fake sick, go on vacation. Get some rest. Don’t let the O team wear you out.

    Get in SHAPE FOR 2012

  222. neetabug,

    I think Miss Blackburn is pretty straightforward. At least she shot down another rumor that Sarah Palin sabotaged the other competitors … Geez.

  223. In my local newspaper today (Georgia), it has the headline in the “Opinions” section – Palin is a one- hit wonder. I didn’t get the chance to read the paragraph yet. Are they insuating that Obama isn’t a one-hit wonder? Puhleesseee!!!!!

    Also, shouldn’t people still remind Obama that he is running against McCain……not Palin!!!!! Also the media needs to be reminded of that. LOL!!!!!!!

    So glad to see the Republicans getting some things done that the democrats couldn’t/wouldn’t do. Might be part of the reason that Olbermann and Matthews was demoted. Wonder if Sean or O’Reilly (talking points) will mention this on their show. Glad to see the repubs calling Obama out and with success.

    Still mad at the Democrats though. They were a bunch of wimps this election year.

  224. neetabug Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
    Saw HIllary today on the news. She looks tired.
    She looks like she has a lot of pressure on her.

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    That’s what I thought yesterday, when they showed a brief clip of her. She needs to go on vacation. The jackals are ever present.

  225. yes folks like rep schuler of nc and others need help. they are in very rpecarious situations. damned pelosi. as this goes on i expect lots of yelling at this woman-she twisted arms of her dem caucus to back obama or else. if some of these dudes fear lsoing their jobs look out. they will be pushing her out very soon

  226. turndownobama-com Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
    texan4hillary Says:
    im all nobama. but i will fight to keep a demcongress. no way in hell will i sit back for a gop run govt
    ================

    See Heidi Li’s blog. I think she will have research on which Dems supported HIllary and need help. By helping them we send a clear message and keep Congress Dem.

    Any link to Heidi Li’s blog? I haven’t heard of it before. I have no problem with supporting the dems who did support and continued to support Hillary.

  227. Remember the guys i have over here that knocked down a wall here in my house? The one that was undecided is now going with McCain.

    Thanks guys, i had them read this site, they also read McCain and Obama’s site. I had them go back and read some of the previous sites also. The one that was undecided said he started researching Obama

  228. kostner Says:
    I think Miss Blackburn is pretty straightforward. At least she shot down another rumor that Sarah Palin sabotaged the other competitors … Geez.
    ======================

    And that brother-in-law trooper that Palin tried to get fired … went on tv and admitted he had tasered his kid and drank in the patrol car and said good things about Palin and endorsed her!

    Wierd values these small town people have….

  229. Obama on Palin: ‘You can’t just reinvent yourself’

    Not long after the Obama campaign signaled it wouldn’t go directly after Sarah Palin, the candidate goes right at her.

    Well, how about Gov. Palin? She’s you know, an up and comer from Alaska. She – they’re starting to run an ad now saying she opposed the bridge to nowhere. Well now, let’s get the facts clear here. When she was mayor, she hired a Washington lobbyist to get earmarks – pork barrel spending – all the things that John McCain says is bad, she lobbied to get! And got a whole lot of it. When it came to the bridge to nowhere, she was for it until everybody started raising a fuss about it and she started running for governor and then suddenly she was against it!

    You remember that? For it before you were against it? I mean you can’t just make stuff up. You can’t just recreate yourself. You can’t just reinvent yourself. The American people aren’t stupid.

    It’s unusual to see the presidential nominee so focused on his rival’s running mate, and a sign that her wattage is changing the race a bit.

    On the other hand, Obama may have felt compelled to go at her directly in part because Palin is now starring in a McCain ad that touts, and overstates, her opposition to the “Bridge to Nowhere.” After supporting the project, and seeing it founder, she decided to spend the money elsewhere.

  230. AK Dems Scrub Website That Said Palin Killed Bridge To Nowhere

    Barack Obama – a man who requested nearly a billion dollars in earmarks during his short time in the Senate, including some for his wife’s employer – is criticizing Sarah Palin support for earmarks. Today, Obama’s spokesman said: “Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.”

    In fact, Palin supported the bridge project when she was a candidate, but ultimately killed the project as governor. Alaska Democrats acknowledged as much on their website – until they realized how inconvenient this was for Obama and then promptly scrubbed the site. Oops.

  231. hate to say this, but if the republicans put passage of the ERA back on their platform, i’d have to really think about joining their team.

    plus, i’m so sick of being part of a party that keeps losing – never learns their lesson and keeps losing!

  232. Admin – can you embed?

    from hillbuzz

    this is CNN’s reporter talking to former Mayor Willie Brown who tells it like it is – Palin hit it out of the ballpark, and the Democrats are now playing defense.

    listen to the reporter go after Brown, and say in reference to Willie Brown being openly complimentary about the Republican strategy, “just what are you trying to do?”

    youtube.com/watch?v=wNmUVQIfCzU

  233. Independent2008,

    Heidi is starting a new blog at
    h t t p : / / tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/2008/09/populist-progressivism-again—this-time-with-a-preliminary-caveat.html

    Her old one is
    h t t p : / / heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-09-04T07%3A33%3A00-04%3A00&max-results=12

  234. Anyone seen Terrondt??? The mention of “punk” by one posters made me chuckle and then I realized I haven’t seen him. 🙁

    The polls are fun, but it’s the map that counts, folks. MI is a good thing at the moment. We have to make sure that McCain gets OH, VA, PA, MI, FL and a few others. I’m not seeing any movement in the SW and we need movement there.

    And yes, 👿 is being a shrill asshole. But we already knew that about that whiny baby. Next subject, please. :mrgreen:

    I am glad Hillary is tying fundraising into her going to FL, but I think she’d be better off to just strike a match to the whole of the DNC instead of being held hostage by those intellectual lightweights who think that unless your shoes are Prada, your vote doesn’t count.

    CTV, I know what you mean about the GOP right now. We really are living in an alternate reality. This whole election cycle has been a watershed moment for me. It has me questioning my priorities, re-examining my beliefs and re-evaluating my social circle. I had never thought some of my friends stupid or racist or sexist before, but I am certain some of them are those very things and it makes me ashamed to have called them my friends for this long. They are no different than the Bushies I hate so much.

  235. Did anyone else hear this on Fox earlier.

    In a story on FOX news they said McCain internals show startling improvements in California polling and California is now a ‘purple state’

    McCain is opening offices all over CA now.

    Carbynew, what are you hearing?

  236. kostner Says:
    Not long after the Obama campaign signaled it wouldn’t go directly after Sarah Palin, the candidate goes right at her.
    ===================

    Well, that’s good news. He gave up trying to get Hillary or Biden or anyone else to go at her.

  237. I don’t know, if this article was posted yesterday, but it is Willie Brown’s column from Sunday:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/07/BALU12OCMV.DTL&hw=willie+brown&sn=002&sc=745

    The Democrats are in trouble. Sarah Palin has totally changed the dynamics of this campaign.

    Period.

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    Willie’s World
    Palin floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee 09.07.08
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    Palin’s speech to the GOP National Convention on Wednesday has set it up so that the Republicans are now on offense and Democrats are on defense. And we don’t do well on defense.

    Suddenly, Palin and John McCain are the mavericks and Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the status quo, in a year when you don’t want to be seen as defending the status quo.

    From taxes to oil drilling, Democrats are now going to have to start explaining their positions.

    Whenever you start having to explain things, you’re on defense.

    I actually went back and watched Palin’s speech a second time. I didn’t go to sleep until 1:30 a.m. I had to make sure I got the lines right.

    Her timing was exquisite. She didn’t linger with applause, but instead launched into line after line of attack, slipping the knives in with every smile and joke.

    And she delivered it like she was just BS-ing on the street with the meter maid.

    She didn’t have to prove she was “of the people.” She really is the people.

    There is one thing she should have done: announced when her 17-year-old daughter and the teenage father of the girl’s unborn child are getting married and invited all of us to the wedding. It should be like Sunday at church.

    As for Palin herself, she is going to be very, very effective on the campaign trail, especially if McCain’s people can figure out how to gently keep her from getting into confrontations with the press.

    If she can answer questions like she handled herself at the convention, Palin will turn out to be the most interesting person in all of politics, and the press will treat her like they treated Obama when he was first discovered.

    And remember, the Palin bandwagon needs to roll for only two months.

  238. moononpluto – i won’t be surprised of Schwarzenegger campaign for Mac in CA.

    also, on Hillbuzz – why is Barry doing an interview on MSNBC at the same time his Fox interview is broadcast?

    Why would NObama go on bath tub boy’s show tonight knowing he will go against himself on the O’Reilly Factor , could it be he does not come off so well that he has to balance it out with a easy interview with that vile loud mouth on MSLCD

    We believe “bath tub boy” is either Keith Olbermann or Chris Mattews, but there are so many vile loudmouths over there, it’s hard to tell who the post above is about. We do know SoetorObama is going to be interviewed by SOMEONE vile on MSNBC tonight…and we didn’t think of it, but are glad SOMEONE did: this just doesn’t make any sense, for him to agree to another interview the night his big O’Reilly interview airs.

    Think about it.

    The little clip FOX ran of the O’Reilly-SoetorObama interview was the second-highest rating O’Reilly’s had this year, after Hillary Clinton’s interview with O’Reilly.

    Expectations are for tonight, tomorrow, and Wednesday’s SoetorObama interviews to also draw large ratings. Large ratings mean SoetorObama has something to crow about, where he claims he’s so popular that even viewers of FOX want to hear all about him, chugging purple Kool-Aid in their Easy-Boyz, discovering the ObaMessiah for the first time on normally hostile FOX territory.

    So, why cannibalize ratings this way? Why set up an interview on MSNBC, the SoetorObama Network of Choice, to rival the interview that’s going to air on FOX?

    We think SoetorObama is afraid of losing some of his base — because whatever he says in the FOX interview doesn’t come off well, so he wants his followers to watch him on MSNBC tonight, instead of on FOX

  239. moononpluto Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    Did anyone else hear this on Fox earlier.

    In a story on FOX news they said McCain internals show startling improvements in California polling and California is now a ‘purple state’

    McCain is opening offices all over CA now.

    Carbynew, what are you hearing?
    ———————————————————————————————————–

    There are many offices in Ca, more than I thought. The closest one is 10 miles away.

    I counted 20 for Northern Ca. There is one up in Redding, the northern, northern part of the state.

    7 in central ca

    29 for southern ca

  240. OkeyAtty says:

    CTV, I know what you mean about the GOP right now. We really are living in an alternate reality. This whole election cycle has been a watershed moment for me. It has me questioning my priorities, re-examining my beliefs and re-evaluating my social circle. I had never thought some of my friends stupid or racist or sexist before, but I am certain some of them are those very things and it makes me ashamed to have called them my friends for this long. They are no different than the Bushies I hate so much.

    *************************************************

    I completely relate to these sentiments…and let’s just add that I never realized how dishonest our side could be…so mean, nasty and actual liars and distorters of anything close to the truth…

    the way the left went after Hillary was a real eye opener into what currently passes for ‘Progressives’…add that to the behavior of the DNC and the reality that if you are a Dem, let’s face it, your vote means NOTHING in the primaries…if you live in Florida or Michigan, you get whacked twice…

    big dose of reality regarding the ‘New Obama Democratic Party’ this year…and it is not good…

    the one good thing that has come from this is the liberation of not having to defend party talking points…and being able to just call it like you see it…good and bad…on both sides…both parties…

  241. Sally Quinn recants –

    commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/27982

    No one in the mainstream media had been harsher on Sarah Palin than Sally Quinn. In a blistering piece in the Washington Post earlier in the week she wrote, among other things:

    Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make? I’m the mother of only one child, a special needs child who is grown now. I know how much of my time and energy I devoted to his care. He always had to be my first priority. Of course women can be good mothers and have careers at the same time. I’ve done both. Yes, other women in public office have children. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has five children, but she didn’t get heavily involved in politics until they were older. A mother’s role is different from a father’s.

    But now Quinn has seen Palin with her own eyes and is singing a different tune. On Fox today with Bill O’Reilly, Quinn had this to say:

    I thought that she was amazing. in her speech. She was funny and smart and poised and confident. She gave a great speech, beautifully delivered. I think she is going to be a formidable opponent. all of that I think is — I was wrong about her. and I didn’t know anything about her. I probably didn’t know any more than John McCain did a few days before he picked her.

    (Well, perhaps McCain knew plenty and chose her on this basis, but that’s a quibble.) O’Reilly went on to ask her if ”your column and other columns like yours rallied the folks to her side and actually helped the McCain-Palin ticket dramatically.” Quinn answered “I think you’re absolutely right.”

  242. mccain palin going to fairfx va wed. intersting, fairfax has shifted dem and a key house race is there. the seat leans dem-many retired govt workers live out in fairfax. neat place.

  243. *news on Chelsea…..

    NY Daily News:

    Christy Turlington is going back to college to study maternal and child health at Columbia University. “I have explored several career paths and have discovered that in addition to being a mother, a career in service is most fitting,” she told us. Perhaps she can study nights with Chelsea Clinton. The former First Daughter is also starting a master’s program at Columbia, majoring in public health policy, according to a source.

  244. After reading a little of the delegate accounts, I realize that none of our votes in the primary counted for anything, when it came right down to it. The election was rigged, and it was a sham. The Taliban Party has done away with democracy. It sounds like the convention was run like one big caucus. Alinsky methods. I’m from CA, and the vote totals were completely reversed. Hillary only received 166, BO the remainder. CA passed, because it would have put Hillary to close, even for a short period of time. What a farce. I am so angry and disillusioned.

  245. Barrack HUSSEIN, the con artist, is toast………………………………………………………

    I changed to Independent b/c of this Undemocratic Party….With no choice, I will vote for John Mccain…..

    PUMA in effect………HRC 2012

  246. birdgal – i hear ya..being a Californian.

    I had drinks with friends last night, and one is a Dem for Obama, and she was appalled that I said I might sit this election out – she said “people like you…blah, blah”…that was obnoxious, and I explained how corrupt the caucus process was, and how illegitimate the results of the roll call.

    somehow these people believe that the corrupt means justify the ends just because they’re Dems.

  247. CountTheVotes, I had honest and moderate Republican friends who KNEW what Bush did in 2000, and hated it. They hated it. But they refused to really look at it, or stand up to their own party. “Yeah, there were probably a few abuses, but ;et’s move forward.”

    I used to wonder how they could do that, how party loyalty could trump basic democracy. Now I know that my party can do the same – and even those not responsible are culpable by their silence on it.

  248. The Obama campaign is so idiotic and poorly-run that former Clinton advisors are having to publicly call them out on their bad tactical decisions, to try and correct course. Anyone who has a lick of sense about political strategy would have known not to attack Palin’s family the way the Obama campaign first did. Check it out, from Politico:

    ———————
    September 08, 2008
    Categories: Hillary Clinton
    Wolfson’s advice

    Ignore Palin:

    Democrats are running against John McCain, not Sarah Palin. Running against Gov. Palin instead of Senator McCain would be a mistake — ultimately voters will make their assessments based on the strength and weaknesses of the top of the tickets. If anything, Democrats should be talking about McCain-Bush, not McCain-Palin. Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign’s message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush.

    This does, currently, seem to be the Obama campaign’s posture; and Wolfson says it will be Clinton’s too.

  249. Count the votes:

    I am appalled that people are not speaking up about the corruption and rigging of the election. I will vote, even if it is a protest vote. After seeing “Iron Jawed Angels,” I will never taking voting for granted, ever again.

    The arrogance and self-righteousness that many “democrats” have is so obnoxious. They are as bad as the far right. Hypocritical, snobby, and downright nasty.

  250. CTV: SoetorObama knows that
    Fox = Scranton
    MSNBC = San Francisco.
    You’re right, he’s obviously been a bad boy on Fox.
    Obama simply cannot be trusted.

  251. CBS poll shows McCain take a small lead 46:44.

    I don’t like the methodology though. They did an interview in mid Aug, and conducted another interview among the same group of people after Republican convention.

  252. Seemingly Nervous About Palin’s Popularity, New Obama TV Ad Attacks McCain, Palin as Un-Mavericky

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/seemingly-nervo.html

  253. From Politico — McCain is pulling away in virtually every poll:

    ——–
    McCain surges off convention bounce
    By: David Paul Kuhn
    September 8, 2008 03:03 PM EST

    After receiving a larger post-convention polling bounce than Barack Obama, John McCain has surged ahead of Obama in multiple polls.

    The Gallup daily tracking poll reported today that, after the first full round of post-convention interviews, McCain has achieved his highest level of support of the campaign. McCain leads Obama 49 to 44 percent among registered voters. Obama was ahead 49 to 43 percent at the beginning of the Republican convention.

    The finding comes as a USA Today/Gallup Poll taken over the weekend reported that McCain leads Obama by a surprising 54 to 44 percent among likely voters.

    Rasmussen’s first daily tracking poll entirely conducted after the Democratic convention reports a tighter race, with McCain ahead of Obama 48 to 47 percent when “leaners” are included. Rasmussen had Obama leading McCain 49 to 46 percent heading into the GOP convention.

    By Gallup’s measure, following the Democratic convention, Obama earned a four percentage point bounce in the polls. McCain has earned a six point bounce. The typical convention bounce since 1964 is five points.

    Gallup measures a convention bounce by comparing the last poll conducted entirely before the start of a party’s convention to the first polling completed entirely after the convention. The two candidates were tied at 45 percent before the Democratic convention.

    A Zogby poll released over the weekend also showed McCain taking the lead in the presidential race. Zogby found that McCain was ahead, in the two-way contest, 49 to 46 percent. A CNN/Opinion Research Poll also conducted over the weekend shows the race exactly tied, with 48 percent for each candidate.

  254. moononpluto Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    Did anyone else hear this on Fox earlier.

    In a story on FOX news they said McCain internals show startling improvements in California polling and California is now a ‘purple state’

    McCain is opening offices all over CA now.

    Carbynew, what are you hearing?
    ******************************************************
    moononpluto,

    I knew Obama lost CA after New Hampshire and the CA Primary confirmed my anaylsis…Obama puny strength is in Northern CA….and his relying on Nancy Pelosi to win CA was his big mistake.

    Also I had heard that Republicans were having secret meetings on “how to beat Obama” statergies. So I concluded that they were playing possum…I’m not saying that they weren’t worried but it was Hillary they was focus on.

    Let me also say…where I live there is no Obama buzz on the street.

    Yes, Old Liberal and some AA’s are very happy but the other groups are not talking up Obama….it’s what’s not being said that’s is more important and who is talking up Obama.

    Obama convention also hurt his chances here and his attacking Gov. Palin with that east coast elitist arrogance angered many here on the “left coast.”

    Since I want Obama to die in this election…I will not give details or specifics.

  255. From WaPo. Meanwhile, the Obama-bots are in meltdown mode all over the blogosphere. Lots of whining, finger-pointing, and a total lack of cohesion/direction as to how to save their sinking ship…

    —————-
    UPDATE, 5 p.m.: The new Washington Post/ABC News poll confirms a post-convention bounce for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Among likely voters, McCain takes 49 percent of the vote to Barack Obama’s 47 percent; the margin is even narrower among registered voters with Obama at 47 percent and McCain at 46 percent. Compare that to the late August survey done by Post/ABC: Obama stood at 49 percent compared to McCain’s 45 percent among likely voters and held a 49 percent to 43 percent margin among registered voters.

    ORIGINAL POST

    Now that the two party conventions are over, it appears that the debate over which candidate would receive the bigger bounce has been settled.

    John McCain’s announcement of surprise-pick Sarah Palin largely stepped on Barack Obama’s post-convention coverage, and Palin’s stellar address — and public unveiling — last Wednesday, helped generate an enthusiasm for the ticket among Republicans and solidify a positive convention for the GOP.

    Early indications suggest that Palin power has turned the race upside down. McCain has leaped to the lead in a new USA Today/Gallup national poll. A brand new CNN/Opinion Research Center poll released moments ago, confirmed the USA Today/Gallup results. Among registered voters, Obama and McCain were knotted at 48 percent.

    The survey shows McCain at 50 percent and Obama at 46 percent among registered voters — the first time since an early January USA Today/Gallup survey that the Republican was at the critical 50 percent mark.

    Among those most likely to vote the gap was even broader with McCain leading Obama 54 percent to 44 percent.

    It’s always dangerous to draw conclusions about the trend of a presidential race based on a single poll taken in the immediate aftermath of a convention. And, a look at all national surveys taken so far this month suggest a more mixed result.

    Still, the McCain movement in the USA Today/Gallup poll is intriguing at a number of levels as it suggests that the Palin pick and the convention that followed could well have reset the narrative in the race.

    A few of the most interesting facts from the poll (aka, we read it so you don’t have to):

    • Palin has weathered the storm of a barrage of bad stories relatively unscathed. Among all adults 55 percent felt favorably to her while just 27 percent felt unfavorably. The margin was nearly the same among registered voters — 55 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable. Much of that positive view seems derived from Palin’s speech last week: Sixty percent said she did either an excellent (42 percent) or good (18 percent) job while 14 percent rated it “just okay” and another 14 percent called it poor/terrible.

    • Both McCain and Obama appear to have acquitted themselves well in the eyes of the public with their vice presidential picks. Six in ten rated McCain’s selection of Palin as either excellent or pretty good; sixty-three percent said the same of Obama’s choice of Delaware Sen. Joe Biden. McCain’s pick of Palin, however, is more impactful — for good and for bad. Nearly one in three voters said McCain’s choice of Palin made them more likely to vote for the Republican ticket while one in five said it made them less likely to pull the GOP lever. Obama naming Biden as vice president made 14 percent of voters more likely to go Democratic in the fall and seven percent less likely.

    • The issue environment is not as terrible as it once was for Republicans. Obama still carries significant edges on education (+17) and healthcare (+12) but on the two most high profile issues of late — the economy and energy policy — the candidates are running statistically even. McCain has a ten-point edge on which of the two nominees is better equipped to handle the situation in Iraq and a 17-point bulge on terrorism. The downballot indicators have improved for Republicans as well; the generic congressional ballot, where Democrats have long held a considerable edge, is now at 48 percent Democrat, 45 percent Republican.

    • The major weakness for each candidate is clear. For Obama, questions of his experience and readiness still dog him. Fifty-six percent of voters said they were either very (38 percent) or somewhat (18 percent) concerned that the Illinois senator “lacks the experience needed to be an effective president.” For McCain, his Achilles heel is the perception that he represents a continuation of the Bush Administration’s policies. Sixty-three percent said they were very (42 percent) or somewhat (21 percent) concerned that the Arizona senator would “pursue policies that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued.”

    The key to knowing whether these numbers are simply an outlier or the leading indicator of a McCain post-convention bounce will be to see what other credible national polls — including the Post’s own survey to be released tomorrow — show about the race.

    A series of positive poll numbers for McCain will drive a narrative that the Arizona senator — through his vice presidential pick — has reclaimed the momentum in the race and continued to embolden the previously lethargic Republican base.

  256. What Do Women Want? A Woman on the Ticket!
    September 08, 2008 5:43 PM

    A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., making up huge ground among white women since putting Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on the ticket.

    Reports ABC News Polling Director Gary Langer:from 50-42 percent in Obama’s favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift that’s one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences.”

    Among white women, 67% percent view Palin favorably; 58 percent say her selection makes them more confident in McCain’s decision-making.

    Among those with children, Palin does even better than that.

    In a letter to Maria Bonaparte, Dr. Sigmund Freud wrote, “The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want?'”

    Apparently they want to be put on the ticket

  257. carby,

    What about th electoral college math? Most of the calculations I’ve seen have BO ahead.
    What’s your take on that?

  258. carby: I live in the Obama oasis of Northern Ca, so I feel so alone at times. 🙁 I may have to visit the McCain office, since it isn’t very far from where I live. He doesn’t have one in SF, but they are in other areas of the Bay Area, including Marin County.

  259. basil9 Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    The view from the other side.

    In between errands I’ve been sneaking into enemy territory and guess what?
    They think the media is in the tank for JM!

    I hate to link Huffpoo but this is an eye-opener.
    “We’re going to Fricking Lose this Thing”

    huffingtonpost.com/adam-mckay/were-gonna-frickin-lose-t_b_124772
    *****

    Basil9 – hilarious. after Obama doesn’t get vetted, and the MSM rips their headlines and “anonymous sources” straight from Huffpoo…the author of this piece has the audacity to say:

    “So what is this house advantage the Republicans have? It’s the press. There is no more fourth estate. Wait, hold on…I’m not going down some esoteric path with theories on the deregulation of the media and corporate bias and CNN versus Fox…I mean it: there is no more functioning press in this country. And without a real press the corporate and religious Republicans can lie all they want and get away with it. And that’s the 51% advantage.”

  260. carby,
    thanks for your optimism, but i doubt CA will be in play. McCain should not squander his resources in CA, IMHO.
    ——————-
    Another poll in a solid blue state WA is showing Obama in trouble…

    Obama’s lead in Wash. state dwindling

    A new poll commissioned by KING 5 shows Republican John McCain gaining ground on Democrat Barack Obama in the state of Washington.

    The SurveyUSA poll found that in an election today, it’s Obama 49 percent, McCain 45 percent. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll four weeks ago – before both candidates had named their running mates – Obama is down 2 points; McCain is up 1.

    And the McCain/Palin surge may be reflected in the race for governor as well.

    With eight weeks to go, Survey USA polled likely voters and found Obama’s double-digit lead in June has shrunk to only four percentage points.

    Among likely female voters, Obama has lost ground and McCain has gained since he picked Sarah Palin last month.

    For the sixth time in as many tracking polls, the rematch contest between Rossi and incumbent Democrat Christine Gregoire is inside of the SurveyUSA poll’s margin of sampling error. But for the first time, Rossi is nominally ahead, 48 percent to 47 percent.

    Among women, Gregoire had led by 24 points in May, 60 percent to 36 percent. In this new poll, the candidates are tied

  261. kostner Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
    carby,
    thanks for your optimism, but i doubt CA will be in play. McCain should not squander his resources in CA, IMHO.
    ****************************************************
    Okay.

    But I think Sarah and Todd Palin will do just fine campaigning in CA.

  262. Wow, those VA numbers are incredible. Obama’s entire strategy is predicated on winning Virginia. If they can’t turn it blue, they’re toast (not that they aren’t already toast).

    Hilarious to see that the most-recommended diary on DKos today is one re-hashing some friendly advice for Obama from James Carville. Basically, Carville told Obama to focus on the issues instead of getting distracted by all the attacks against him. The Obama-bots are lapping it up, as if the advice is some magic elixir. I couldn’t help but smile smugly, thinking, awww, look at them, STARVED for real political advice, after having been led astray by Axelrod and Plouffe…

  263. McCain is viewed favorably by 63% of Ohio voters and unfavorably by 35%. Obama’s ratings are 50% favorable, 48% unfavorable.

    Obama is so not winning Ohio with numbers like that.

    The latest numbers also show that overall, McCain is trusted more than Obama by a 54% to 41% margin. In addition, the plurality of voters (42%) say they would not be comfortable at all with Obama as president. Just 25% say that about McCain. If voters were faced with the toughest decision of their lives, 54% say they would rather ask McCain for advice, while 38% would choose Obama.

  264. The bad news for Obama is that all of the fabricated “good news” about him was exhausted by April. The isn’t going to be anything positive coming out about Obama; because there isn’t any..from now to Nov 4, most of the Obama news is going to be true and all of it is going to be bad. It’s McCain’s race to loose now.

  265. Great news in VA and OH, moon!

    For your amusement, here is the list of diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM):

    Diagnostic Criteria

    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

    1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    3. believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    4. requires excessive admiration
    5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    Remind you of anyone?

  266. Regarding the Drilling question…McCain/Palin is doing the right attack when they equate it as a national security and economic issues. They need to keep pounding on this and that we need to become Energy independent!!!

    Californians want that very much and they want alternative energy in the mix too.

  267. Rass : Pensylvania, McCain within 2, 47 to O and 45 to M

    The latest poll finds the Republican candidate is viewed more favorably among voters. McCain is viewed favorably by 57% of voters and unfavorably by 40%. Obama’s ratings are 55% favorable, 44% unfavorable.

    Similarly, Sarah Palin is viewed slightly better than Joe Biden. The Republican Vice Presidential nominee is viewed favorably by 59% and unfavorably by 37%. Biden’s numbers are 54% favorable, 42% unfavorable.

  268. One thing of note was these polls were conducted on the morning of Sept 7th, so do not full include a full bounce for McCain yet.

  269. moononpluto Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
    McCain is viewed favorably by 63% of Ohio voters and unfavorably by 35%. Obama’s ratings are 50% favorable, 48% unfavorable.

    In the primary you could always tell who would win byt who had the lowest unfavorable. Nothing else mattered. The candidate with the highest unfavorable in the state lost. So that might be bad news for PA too.

  270. How to lose Jewish voters in one go Obama, way to go.

    JERUSALEM – The Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations have “legitimate claims” that are being “weakened” by the violence the terror groups carry out, Sen. Barack Obama stated in an interview today with the New York Times.

    Speaking with columnist David Brooks, Obama said the U.S. needs a foreign policy that “looks at the root causes of problems and dangers.”

    The presidential candidate compared Hezbollah to Hamas, stating they both need to be compelled to understand that “they’re going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.”

  271. HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    That is why to say that Obama is Bush III may not be hyperbole. “W” and “O” have very similar sociopathic profiles…

  272. Again Colorado

    Rassmussen

    Obama 46
    McCain 49

    but look at the details.

    While Obama is ahead, McCain is viewed more positively. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Colorado voters have a favorable opinion of the Republican while 54% say the same about the Democratic hopeful. For McCain, that figure reflects a five percentage point gain over the past month while Obama’s numbers are unchanged. McCain is viewed more favorably than Obama in all five state polls released tonight (other states include Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia). One of the key questions in the coming weeks will be whether or not those high favorability ratings will be translated into votes.

  273. The amazing thing about all these polls is that even for the states where Obama will probably win (California, Pennsylvania — maybe?), these tightening numbers mean that Obama will have to expend lots of cash and precious resources fighting battles on fronts that should already have been closed.

  274. Good Evening everyone!!

    I have tried to catch up here…..been busy here
    and i am on my way out for the night…..have to work (bartending tonight) and we do not have Fox news 🙁

    But i am sure i will get all the details here when i get home at 2am!! I can’t wait!! 😀

    I am sorry i haven’t been able to be very active here since i moved….. I really miss being chatty
    and bringing the facts and news to this forum as i used to.

    I expect things to slow down a bit now that fall is here…….and its getting darn cold too! Brrrr!

    What happened to summer???

    it’s has not been out of the 60’s all last week!
    I haven’t had to mow the farm for oh….a month!
    (not really complaining about that one)

    but… Horses are now needing hay since the grass isn’t growing in their pastures either 🙁

    well…… have a great night all ! 😀

    I love my new bartending job…. everyone seems to be so against Obama there 😀

    South Dakota will definately be a red state this november!

  275. birdgal:

    McCain office is having a major volunteer effort in San Carlos on Nov 16…next tuesday..
    it is about 20miles from SF…at the hiller Airport…5-7.30pm…

    it is about a mile from my place and I amd definitely go there.

    Also they have offices in burlingame….

  276. ELECTION 2008

    Obama: Terror groups have ‘legitimate claims’

    Asserts U.S. needs foreign policy that ‘looks at the root causes of problems’

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 08, 2008
    11:28 am Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    JERUSALEM – The Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations have “legitimate claims” that are being “weakened” by the violence the terror groups carry out, Sen. Barack Obama stated in an interview today with the New York Times.

    Speaking with columnist David Brooks, Obama said the U.S. needs a foreign policy that “looks at the root causes of problems and dangers.”

    The presidential candidate compared Hezbollah to Hamas, stating they both need to be compelled to understand that “they’re going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.”

    Brooks was speaking to Obama for clarification on an earlier statement the Illinois senator made implying Lebanese militias should be tempered with enticements.

    Regarding Hezbollah, Obama earlier declared: “It’s time to engage in diplomatic efforts to help build a new Lebanese consensus that focuses on electoral reform, an end to the current corrupt patronage system, and the development of the economy that provides for a fair distribution of services, opportunities and employment.”

    Brooks took issue with that statement, writing it has the “whiff” of “appeasement.”

    (Story continues below)

    “Is Obama naïve enough to think that an extremist ideological organization like Hezbollah can be mollified with a less corrupt patronage system and some electoral reform?” asked Brooks, who said he called Obama today to clarify his remarks.

    Obama immediately affirmed Hezbollah is “not a legitimate political party.” Instead, “It’s a destabilizing organization by any common-sense standard. This wouldn’t happen without the support of Iran and Syria.”

    He continued by stating Hamas and Hezbollah violence weakens the groups’ “legitimate claims.”

    Hamas’ official charter calls for the murder of Jews and destruction of the Jewish state. It also calls for Muslims to “pursue the cause of the Movement (Hamas), all over the globe.”

    The terror group has carried out scores of deadly suicide bombings, shootings and rocket attacks against Israelis.

    Hezbollah claims it is fighting to liberate its “lands,” purportedly referring to the Shebaa Farms, a small piece of territory it says is Lebanese but is being held by Israel. The group regularly makes threats against Israel and has carried out numerous terror attacks targeting Israel and the West, including the U.S.

    Obama previously was embroiled in controversy regarding Hamas after Ahmed Yousuf, the terror group’s chief political adviser in the Gaza Strip, said in an interview in April with WND and with WABC radio that he “hopes” Obama becomes president.

    “We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections,” said Yousef. “I hope Mr. Obama and the Democrats will change the political discourse. … I do believe [Obama] is like John Kennedy, a great man with a great principal. And he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community, but not with humiliation and arrogance,” Yousef said, speaking from Gaza.

    Obama repeatedly has condemned Hamas as a terrorist organization that should be isolated until it renounces violence and recognizes Israel.

    In the interview with Brooks today, Obama went on to defend his policy of engaging with Iran.

    “If your opponents are looking for your destruction it’s hard to sit across the table from them,” but, he continued: “There are rarely purely ideological movements out there. We can encourage actors to think in practical and not ideological terms. We can strengthen those elements that are making practical calculations.”

    Obama’s comments about “legitimate causes” of terror groups and “root problems of causes and dangers” seems to echo little-noticed remarks the presidential candidate made eight days after 9/11 in which he said the attacks were carried out because of a lack of “empathy” for others’ suffering on the part of al-Qaida, whose terrorist ideology “grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.”

    Obama went on to imply the Sept. 11 attacks were, in part, a result of U.S. policy, lecturing the American military to minimize civilian casualties in the Middle East and urging action opposing “bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle-Eastern descent.”

    “Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we, as a nation, draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy,” Obama wrote in a piece about 9/11 published Sept. 19, 2001, in Chicago’s Hyde Park Herald.

    The senator continued: “Certain immediate lessons are clear, and we must act upon those lessons decisively. We need to step up security at our airports. We must re-examine the effectiveness of our intelligence networks and we must be resolute in identifying the perpetrators of these heinous acts and dismantling their organizations of destruction.

    “We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity or suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, it may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics.

    “Most often, though, it grows out a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

    “We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle-Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe – children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and within our own shores,” he wrote.

  277. The jewish voters are going to be apoplectic when they hear this.

    By the way, the story in the NY Times is called “OBAMA ADMIRES BUSH”

  278. OK. i hate to be a wet blanket but a couple of things are getting me worried.
    First – about Sarah – I heard her today on a clip from one of the churches she’s
    been a member of saying the Iraq Invasion was ordained by God.
    I also heard she’s a believer in speaking in tongues.
    Don’t get me wrong – everyone’s entitled to their religious views but the
    end-timers who say Alaska will be one of the last safe havens on earth give me the willies.

    Also, I’m feeling more and more like BO has been a repub operative sent in to take out HRC and once that mission was accomplished the field would be free for the REAL repub.
    Thoughts?

  279. mp Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    birdgal:

    I live in the Northeast Bay, so the Walnut Creek office is about 10 miles or less to me.

    I’ll give them a call.

  280. basil9,
    yes BO Bas been a repub operative sent in to take out HRC and once that mission was accomplished the field would be free for the REAL repub

  281. basil: she quit the extreme churches, because they so out there. Her statement about God and Iraq has been taken out context. I read the entire statement (I don’t remember where, and it was appropriate). Be careful of clips. Did they run it, in its entirety? Remember Bill’s “fairytale” comment?

  282. moon,

    as Idunn says…don’t pick on him…lol…

    Obama is just talking through both sides of his mouth again. He’s saying what the Dems want to hear and he’s saying what the Reps want to hear.

    It’s all good…lol…NOT!!! 🙂

  283. basil9 Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Also, I’m feeling more and more like BO has been a repub operative sent in to take out HRC and once that mission was accomplished the field would be free for the REAL repub.
    Thoughts
    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    basil0

    I am beginning to believe also he is a republican

  284. neeta and basil: I don’t know what he is, and I’m not sure he does either. It depends, upon which way the wind is blowing, and who he is pandering to.

  285. basil, the church in that clip was the church she grew up in. Her family left that church some years ago, because they felt it was getting too weird.

    Oh, and there is a quote of Sarah saying something when she visited troops in Iraq, speaking of “God’s will”. People are using it to say she thinks God is for the war. She wasn’t. She was obviously, in context, saying that because those young men were there, pray for their safety and success, and god’s will for them to bear up under that burden.

    Sort of like comforting people in other tragedies and different hard situations – “we don’t know the reasons it happened, but whatever happens is god’s will, and we have to just do our best.” It doesn’t mean you are saying GOD WANTED your wife to die. It’s just a form of religious comfort – that there is a plan in the universe, even if you can’t see it.

  286. mp Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
    basil9,
    yes BO Bas been a repub operative sent in to take out HRC and once that mission was accomplished the field would be free for the REAL repub
    **************

    Does anyone besides me remember Bush being cocky,smug and arrogant saying he was “confident” that the next president would be a Republican??

    Perhaps this is why???

  287. well, if that’s the case, then BO as a Republican plant would be the storyline of the movie, “No Way Out” playing out in real life.

  288. article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWMxNGUxZWJjYzg1NjA0MTlmZDZmMjUwZGU3ZjAwNmU=

    What Did Obama Do As A Community Organizer?
    And is it really a qualification to be president?

    By Byron York

    Snip-
    Chicago — Barack Obama often cites his time as a community organizer here in Chicago as one of the experiences that qualify him to hold the nation’s highest office. “I can bring this country together,” he said in a debate last February. “I have a track record, starting from the days I moved to Chicago as a community organizer.”

    When Obama says such things, the reaction among many observers is: Huh?
    Audiences understand when he mentions his years as an Illinois state legislator, or his brief tenure in the U.S. Senate. But a community organizer? What’s that?

    Snip-

    Even Obama didn’t know when he first gave it a try back in 1985. “When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn’t answer them directly,” Obama wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father. “Instead, I’d pronounce on the need for change.

  289. Thursday, September 04, 2008
    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGE1YmM3Yjk0ZjVjZjBjNzIwM2UxZDY3ZGY2NTYzOWE=

    In the Green Room with Michelle Obama [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    I’m at a Tribute to Cindy McCain lunch in Minneapolis. Elizabeth Hasselbeck from The View is emcing and she just announced : “Unlike the wife of another political candidate who shall remain nameless, [Cindy McCain] didn’t come [to cohost The View] with a list of topics we weren’t allowed to touch.”

    Barbara aint gonna like this

  290. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/rollins.convention/index.html

    Commentary: Obama wrong to spurn Hillary, pick Biden
    By Ed Rollins CNN Contributor

    If Obama had done the smart thing, he would have picked Sen. Hillary Clinton for vice president. If he had, he would have united his party for sure and energized his base.

    He just couldn’t do it and maybe thought he didn’t need to do it. He was wrong. That choice would have meant that McCain probably wouldn’t have picked Palin. And if McCain had picked anybody else from his shortlist, the Republican convention would have been boring, and the party’s base would not have been motivated.
    The one thing we know for sure — the selection of Biden did the least to enhance any ticket since George H.W. Bush picked Dan Quayle back in 1988. This is turning out to be another election the Democrats were convinced they couldn’t lose. So far, the selection of Palin has been a game-changer and has energized my party like no one since Ronald Reagan did four decades ago.
    The polls are back to even again. The only difference is the Republicans now have a communicator to match Obama and the Democrats have on their ticket an older veteran of Washington politics to match McCain’s experience. The reformer Obama who was going to be the candidate of change is now running with Mr. D.C. establishment.

  291. http://www.broadway.tv/blog/broadway-magazine/bill-and-hillary-clinton-at-hair-sarah-palin-not/

    President Bill Clinton w/ Hillary Clinton at HAIR Sarah Palin Not
    Broadway Revival Gets Presidential

    BREAKING NEWS: Sarah Palin who? Let the sun shine in! According to multiple reports President Bill Clinton, Senator Hillary Clinton and Chelsea were all in Central Park on a beautiful New York September day taking in the new revival of HAIR. The show is rumored to be on its way to Broadway. According to those in the house, when one of the actors went into the audience to say “Look who’s here, it’s my mother?” he picked Hillary Clinton. We wonder if Barack Obama is wishing he had too. The presidential visit to the show will no doubt bode well down the road.

    -Broadway Magazine, Broadway.tv

    3 Responses to “President Bill Clinton w/ Hillary Clinton at HAIR Sarah Palin Not”

    Carrie Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 6:10 am

    Yup= they were there- very friendly and gracious and looking fabulous- The show was awesome and they really enjoyed it- definately added to the experience- I wonder if the republican candidates would be open minded enough to attend- probably wouldn’t understand the show

    Sara Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    It definitely brought to the experience. One of Berger’s opening lines is “I’m George Berger. But I don’t like George.” It was perfect.

    Ellen Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    I was there and it was a magical evening. I shook both their hands and said pleadingly to Hillary to “pleeeez speak out this week…pleeeeez SAY SOMETHING.” She said “I will.” The magic came from the relevance of the show to today’s climate and their being there to share it with us. The audience went nuts!!!!! And yes, they were gracious and looked great.

  292. funny, I was at that Hair show in Central park on opening night…i have to honest – some of the characters struck me as delusional at the Obots.

  293. PUMAS should celebrate:

    ABC: White Women Shift to McCain as Republican Erodes Obama Lead on Change, Enthusiasm
    White women have moved from 50-42 percent in Obama’s favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift in the margin that’s one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences. The other, also to McCain’s advantage, is in the battleground Midwest, where he’s moved from a 19-point deficit to a 7-point edge.
    abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=5751238&page=1

  294. FOX News/Rasmussen Reports Poll: Presidential Race ‘Competitive’ in Key Battleground States

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/fox-newsrasmussen-reports-poll-presidential-race-competitive-in-key-battleground-states/

  295. At the beginning of his show he lists what he is going to talk about and he listed everything from the ZBridge to showing a clip of her in church telling people to pray.

  296. O’Reilly just ripped BO a new one! No wonder Bo went on the other channel at 8pm!

    Billo-O GOT him on income redistribution, 30% tax hikes and playing Robin Hood to take from the rich and give to the poor. He NAILED him on that being socialism and BO stuttered and stammered his way through a relentless attack.
    WOW!
    i gotta catch the rerun coz i tuned in midway through the interview!
    Tomorrow is Reverend Wright and Wed i think it’s Ayers.

  297. rjk, KO is not going to convince anyone. His ratings are crap, and he is preaching to the choir. He will get the Obots stirred up, because that’s his audience.

  298. birdgal,
    I heard and saw the entire clip and it was shown continuously without any cuts but H4T gave a good explanation of where SHE thinks Palin was coming from. I’m not familiar with Evangelicals but any extremist religious views flip me out. I just wanted to get everyone’s take on it.
    dija,
    Yes, i remember that. i don’t know who’s more friggin smug, Bush or BO. They BOTH think they’re right.
    neetabug, mp, count, this is one strange election. The DaVinci Code’s got nothing on this story. 👿

  299. basil, she is definitely an evangelical, and a lot of their stuff looks weird. She doesn’t seem very interested in taking that into her public policies, though, so she can hop up and down and worship a potted plant for all I care.

  300. watching Campbell Brown asking objective opinions (haha) from Jeffrey Toobin and Rollin Martin (it’s like a Obots Convention on CNN)…both do not believe that Hillary should be the one to go after Palin – it’s insulting because Hillary is a national candidate and should be speaking toward Bush and McCain…not going after Palin.

  301. BO also complained about the 4 trillion dollar deficit but didn’t say a word about the 1 trillion in aid he wants for his global poverty initiative.

    👿

  302. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    basil, she is definitely an evangelical, and a lot of their stuff looks weird. She doesn’t seem very interested in taking that into her public policies, though, so she can hop up and down and worship a potted plant for all I care.

    *****
    if she’s more libertarian, great. I mean aren’t we the country of freedom of religion? – wasn’t that the foundation of our country as opposed to only religions that don’t creep liberals out?

  303. AK tends to be a very libertarian-leaning state, and she seems to have governed that way. She can dance naked by the light of the moon in her private church for all I care.

  304. basil9:

    funny you should Da vinci…

    Dan brown was supposed to have come out with his new book by now but has not….as far as now the new book
    was to be about the Illuminati, Masons and the brotherhood and its stronnghold in US upper/richer families…

    Coincidence?

  305. Obama went on to imply the Sept. 11 attacks were, in part, a result of U.S. policy, lecturing the American military to minimize civilian casualties in the Middle East and urging action opposing “bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle-Eastern descent.”
    “Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we, as a nation, draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy,” Obama wrote in a piece about 9/11 published Sept. 19, 2001, in Chicago’s Hyde Park Herald.
    *************
    “We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity or suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, it may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics.
    Guess he’d say we should have been empathetic with the nazis, the weathermen, Khaadafi, Chavez and Ahmadinijad.

  306. the post above says david brooks, in a ny times article, states that obama made sympathetic remarks to hezbollah. if i find it i will post it

  307. Kinky Friedman on O’Reilly reminds everyone that Donna Brazile was the one who advised Al Gore “You don’t need Bill Clinton.” Friedman then pictures Axelrod in Berlin in front of thousands of Germans whispering to Obama “You don’t need Bill Clinton.”

    Friedman says not choosing Hillary was the big Obama mistake and the nuts are those who say “You don’t need Hillary Clinton.”

    Friedman says McCain is comfortable with a woman VP and he will “waltz” into the White House and that Obama snubbed Hillary because Obama is uncomfortable with a strong woman on the ticket.

  308. Obama went on to imply the Sept. 11 attacks were, in part, a result of U.S. policy, lecturing the American military to minimize civilian casualties in the Middle East and urging action opposing “bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle-Eastern descent.”
    “Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we, as a nation, draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy,” Obama wrote in a piece about 9/11 published Sept. 19, 2001, in Chicago’s Hyde Park Herald.
    *************

    Oh that will go down well right before 9/11. Is he trying to lose?

  309. moonpluto,

    That’s from T4H’s post at 6:56 and the excerpt is from an article BO published on Sept. 19, 2001.

    I’m not sure about the rest of the article but apparently it was in Worldnet today. I’m gonna go check now.

  310. So O’Reilly really went for the jugular, i guess thats why Bambi was doing a double appearance to limit damage.

  311. This is from Drudge (sorry about that) but the headline caught my eye:

    NYT TUESDAY: FAR FROM CERTAIN OBAMA WILL MEET AMBITIOUS FUNDRAISING TARGET… DEVELOPING….

    Haven’t we all here been predicting that for some time? Didn’t his fundraising decline a long time ago??

  312. AmericanGal Says:
    September 8th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Here is the David Brooks article where Obama says Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate claims..

    ——————–

    can’t get in, its blocked by a subscriber log in.

  313. Obama did 2 days a week in the illinois senate and then built His Entire Legislative Record in Illinois in a Single Year, And None of it Was His.

    patriotroom.com/?p=357

    It’s a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what’s interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

    Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama’s seven-year tenure. Each session, Obama backed legislation that went nowhere; bill after bill died in committee. During those six years, Obama, too, would have had difficulty naming any legislative ­achievements.

    He bought and stole the credit of his record in the last year.

  314. yep diga i was wondering about the eastern part of south dakota ,poor daschle and tim johnson must be in hiding him seeing all the signs mccain palin ,definetely a red state ,all the women said no bo.we wanted Our hillary…but ive talked t many they jumped ship to mccain..now im wondering to about the mike rounds i bet he gets to go to washington,earns a spot in the mccain camp.have ya heard who is going to run for govenor,democratic wise.

  315. Glad to read about Hillary, Bill and Chelsea attending “Hair” and that they looked great, lol. That shouls reassure some of the posters here who thinks Hillary looks tired. Remember, people usually look worse on TV than in real life. 🙂

    On a more serious note, that article saying Hillary should attack Palin is one of the most idiotic things I’ve read in a while. It includes a number of flat-out wrong assertions, including the statements that Hillary’s presidential dreams are over (obviously someone hasn’t been paying attention to what her advisers are saying) and that she and Bill launched “vicious” attacks against Obama. WTF???????

  316. lou dobbs radio just said bo is loosing with a a half billion dollars rasised..loosing..
    with all the new polls out today.its incredible going for Mccain..and bo cant get out of this one,and is in big trouble,he says incredible.he is going on about that slip of his muslim faith..opps it hurt him terribly
    .he is Toast..yippee for lou dobbs the only sane one and this admins place too..

  317. CNN is really trying to trash Palins church, this from CNN who would do nothing with the Wright story until they were forced too and then buried it so quick.

    If they keep the christian bashing going they are going to bring out the evangelicals in massive numbers to vote that will make their heads spin.

  318. Rassmussen on Fox really tried to diminish the McCain surge in the polls. Downplayed them entirely and said that there are still more Democratic voters than Republican. Of course, he didn’t say a thing about independents…

  319. Go on MSM keep bashing women and religious voters because theres obviously none of those in the swing states. You morons.

  320. Keep in mind, even a tie for McCain is great news for him right now. Obama expected to be comfortably ahead at this point. He never thought the GE would be anything other than a cakewalk for him.

  321. moononpluto – backlash!

    not only will CNN help to energize the Evangelicals – let’s see massive protests as well outside their HQ. A friend and I were talking about this, and we have to wonder whether the Republicans can energize some major companies to pull out of advertising on the prObama networks.

    I have to say – the removal of Olbermann and Matthews from election coverage seemed too good to be true…something else must’ve been going on.

  322. Do they really want to start in on this religious stuff because we can always roll out Uncle Jerry and the TUCC.

    That one is way more of a rollercoaster.

    Lets go the whole haul and say 3 words

    Bitter
    Guns
    Religion

    OObama and the msm hates all of you.

  323. Oh god, Obama feels the need to give a speech, things must be bad. Sorry but the twat likes the sound of his own voice, how many frigging times before people get bored.

    Obama plans ‘major policy address’

    Jesus should’nt have done this like at the convention.

    RIVERSIDE — In what is being billed by the Barack Obama campaign as a “major policy address” on reforming the country’s education system, the Democratic presidential nominee will speak today, Sept. 9, at Stebbins High School gymnasium.

    Sen. Obama will speak at 10:30 a.m. before an invited crowd. The event is closed to the general public.

    “I’m hoping to hear what changes we need to make us competitive in the 21st century,” said Mark Owen, Montgomery County Democratic Party chairman. “So often we are being left behind in the competition with other countries.”

    The campaign is not releasing advance details of new initiatives Obama may announce here.

    He has called for expanding early childhood education programs such as Head Start, a new accountability system for educators, providing more help to struggling schools, and improving efforts to keep students from dropping out.

    Obama’s plan also calls for a college education tax credit that would make the first $4,000 of tuition free for most Americans, according to his Web site.

    On Monday, Ohio Republicans held a news conference to denounce Obama and to tout his Republican opponent Sen. John McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. They are the “original mavericks” and the ones to fix a “broken Washington,” said Ohio Rep. Kevin DeWine, R-Fairborn, Ohio Republican Party deputy chairman.

    “Change for change’s sake is desperate,” DeWine said. “What Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are laying out is reform.”

    Obama campaign spokesman Tom Reynolds said the McCain-Palin campaign offers disastrous economic and foreign policies and he scoffed at the notion of McCain as an agent of reform.

    “Reforming Washington will be tough for John McCain since he has been a part of the problem for 26 years, opposing solutions on health care, energy and education,” Reynolds said. “When McCain votes with George Bush 90 percent of the times, the only change Ohio families can expect is the person sitting in the White House.”

  324. Obama, sweetie, take a hint we are all so bloody bored with your crappy speeches, we couldnt give a flying f^^^.

  325. “Reforming Washington will be tough for John McCain since he has been a part of the problem for 26 years, opposing solutions on health care, energy and education,” Reynolds said.

    ============================

    and reforming will be tough when your VP has been in the senate longer than McCain, is in MBNA’s pocket and Obama has never ever reformed anything in his life. Zero, zilch Nada.

  326. moon, he gets pissy and constipated if he can’t do something lauded by the press as “historic” at least once a week.

  327. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080908/D932RNEO0.html

    Former Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson is dismissing any notion the Obama campaign would dispatch Clinton to take on Palin, as much as he thinks some people would revel in seeing the two strong women butt heads.

    “Don’t hold your breath,” he wrote in his New Republic blog. “Clinton-Palin might drive ratings and sell magazines, but it wouldn’t be good for the Democratic Party, or the cause of women’s rights. Some might enjoy the spectacle, but don’t expect Hillary Clinton to play along.”

    —————–
    He warned against giving in to “an obsession in our popular culture with the ‘cat fight,’ an offensive term that describes the spectacle of two well-known women fighting with one another.”

    At least one Clinton supporter tried instigating that fight during a Tampa rally later Monday, interrupting her speech with a shout of “Tell us about Palin!”

    Clinton didn’t take the bait.

  328. I mean seriously who do you believe these days, i’ve seen so much conflicting news

    Last week i read a report that the arctic ice this year is bigger than ever and now this

    The global warming theory is going into the freezer, some climate experts say. The first half of this year was the coolest in at least five years, according to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). And the global warming that has taken place during the past 30 years is over, says geologist Don J. Easterbrook, a professor emeritus at Western Washington University. Easterbrook, who has written eight books and 150 journal publications, predicts that temperatures will cool between 2065 and 2100 and that global temperatures at the end of the century will be less than 1 degree cooler than now.

    This is in contrast to other theories saying that temperatures will warm by as much as 10 degrees by 2100.

    In March, Easterbrook said he was putting his “reputation on the line” by predicting global cooling.

    “The average of the four main temperature measuring methods is slightly cooler since 2002 [except for a brief el Niño interruption] and record breaking cooling this winter. The argument that this is too short a time period to be meaningful would be valid were it not for the fact that this cooling exactly fits the pattern of timing of warm/cool cycles over the past 400 years,” Easterbrook wrote on March 1.

  329. Minus U.S. Money, Obama Team Presses Donors

    By MICHAEL LUO and JEFF ZELENY
    Published: September 8, 2008

    After months of record-breaking fund-raising, a new sense of urgency in Senator Barack Obama’s fund-raising team is palpable as the full weight of the campaign’s decision to bypass public financing for the general election is suddenly upon it.

    Pushing a fund-raiser later this month, a finance staff member sent a sharply worded note last week to Illinois members of its national finance committee, calling their recent efforts “extremely anemic.”

    At a convention-week meeting in Denver of the campaign’s top fund-raisers, buttons with the image of a money tree were distributed to those who had already contributed the maximum $2,300 to the general election, a subtle reminder to those who had failed to ante up.

    The signs of concern have become evident in recent weeks as early fund-raising totals have suggested that Mr. Obama’s decision to bypass public financing may not necessarily afford him the commanding financing advantage over Senator John McCain that many had originally predicted.

    Presidential candidates in a general election have typically relied on two main sources of money: public financing, along with additional money their parties raise. In choosing to accept the public money, the McCain campaign now gets an $84 million cash infusion from the United States Treasury. Mr. McCain is barred from raising any more money for his own campaign coffers but can lean on money raised by the Republican National Committee, which has continued to exceed expectations.

    Meanwhile, Obama campaign officials had calculated that with its vaunted fund-raising machine, driven by both small contributors over the Internet and a powerful high-dollar donor network, it made more sense to forgo public financing so they could raise and spend unlimited sums.

    But the campaign is struggling to meet ambitious fund-raising goals it set for the campaign and the party. It collected in June and July far less from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s donors than originally projected. Moreover, Mr. McCain, unlike Mr. Obama, will have the luxury of concentrating almost entirely on campaigning instead of raising money, as Mr. Obama must do.

    The Obama campaign does not have to report its August fund-raising totals until next week, so it is difficult to tally what it has in the bank at this point. A spokesman said that August was its best fund-raising month yet and that the campaign’s fund-raising was on track. But the campaign finished July with slightly less cash on hand with the Democratic National Committee compared with Mr. McCain and the R.N.C. The Obama campaign has also been spending heavily, including several million more than the McCain campaign in advertising in August.

    A California fund-raiser familiar with the party’s August performance estimated that it raised roughly $17 million last month, a drop-off from the previous month, and finished with just $13 million in the bank.

    Still, the Obama campaign said last Thursday that it had raised $10 million over the Internet in the 24 hours after the speech by Mr. McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, at the Republican convention on Wednesday, a one-day record for the campaign.

    David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, said the majority of the Obama campaign’s donors during the primary had yet to write checks for the general election. When they do, he said, it will be the equivalent of the large injection of cash the McCain campaign is receiving from the government — about $70 million or $80 million.

    “We’re confident that we will meet our financial goals, but it’s hard work,” Mr. Plouffe said. “We have a long way to go in the next six weeks.”

    Members of Mr. Obama’s national finance committee were briefed during the convention in Denver by Mr. Plouffe. Penny Pritzker, the Obama finance chairwoman, announced new state-by-state fund-raising goals. The decidedly business-oriented nature of the meeting reflected the burden on the Obama campaign in the coming weeks.

    “I think McCain made the right call,” said Scott Reed, a Republican strategist who managed Bob Dole’s presidential campaign in 1996. “The Republican National Committee is strong. They have the resources to make this race almost financially on par.”

    Democratic strategists disagree, pointing out that campaign finance rules impose serious restrictions on Mr. McCain’s ability to fully make use of his party’s bank account.

    “It’s not just the limitation of dollars when you accept public financing, it’s the limitations that go with that spending,” said Tad Devine, a senior strategist for Senator John Kerry’s presidential campaign in 2004. Mr. Devine added that choosing to accept public financing was the Kerry campaign’s single biggest mistake because it limited the campaign’s resources.

    The McCain campaign had by far its best fund-raising month ever in August, when it collected $47 million for its coffers and $22 million for the party, finishing the month with more than $100 million in the bank that will now be at the disposal of the R.N.C., according to several finance officials.

    McCain fund-raisers said they also hope to raise an additional $100 million for the party in September and in October, taking advantage of the sizable contribution limits for the party. The party’s Internet fund-raising has also picked up significantly since the announcement that Ms. Palin would join the Republican ticket. Combined with the $84 million from public financing, that would leave the McCain campaign with about $300 million at its disposal.

    A recent e-mail message to McCain fund-raisers unveiled new incentives to spur them in their final push. For the primary, anyone who raised $100,000 or more earned the title of Trailblazer, while those who raised $250,000 or more became Innovators. Now Trailblazers who raise another $100,000 for the party for the general election can become Super-Trailblazers, and Innovators who raise another $250,000 earn the title of Super-Innovators.

    Officials have also sketched out plans for Ms. Palin to do some 35 fund-raisers over the next two months. Mr. McCain will be dispatched for only four major fund-raisers: one on Monday night in Chicago, in which the party raised about $4 million; another next week in Miami, then Los Angeles and New York in October, finance officials said.

    But even if the McCain finance team, led by Lewis M. Eisenberg, a former Goldman Sachs executive, and Wayne L. Berman, a Washington lobbyist, meets its goals, the campaign will have complete control over only the $84 million from the federal government, as well as $19 million in party money that is permitted to be used in coordination with the campaign.

    The Republican Party can spend unlimited amounts of its money independent of the McCain campaign. It can also split the costs of so-called hybrid advertisements with the campaign, commercials that must promote not only Mr. McCain but also other Republicans down the ticket, something media strategists said could be ineffective when trying to create a cohesive message. Nevertheless, McCain fund-raisers pointed out the pressure is now on the Obama campaign to raise far more than it ever has before.

    The Obama campaign set a goal in mid-June of raising $300 million for the campaign and about $150 million for the Democratic Party over four-and-a-half months, fund-raisers said. As of the end of July, however, the Obama campaign was well short of the $100 million a month pace it had set, taking in about $77 million between the campaign and the party that month.

    It is not yet clear whether the Obama campaign will be able to ratchet up its fund-raising enough in the final two months of the campaign to make up the difference.

    Even Mr. Obama’s fund-raisers in Illinois were admonished in an e-mail message last Thursday to step up their efforts to “show the other regions that his home state still has it.” The donors, who were also reminded they had each promised to collect $300,000 for the campaign, were asked to raise $25,000 each for an event on Sept. 22 at a Chicago museum.

    The new state-by-state goals unveiled by campaign officials in Denver stunned at least some in the room and included sizable increases for at least some states, according to interviews with several Obama fund-raisers.

    The campaign has created a fund-raising committee, the Campaign for Change, which allows fund-raisers to harvest additional checks of more than $30,000 that will then be divvied up among state Democratic Parties in 18 battleground states, with Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan receiving the most.

    In a campaign swing through South Florida over Labor Day weekend, Mr. Obama’s vice-presidential running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., met with several small groups of major donors and sent out an e-mail appeal to supporters of his own unsuccessful presidential campaign, as well as to Jewish supporters. The effort brought in more than $1 million in four days.

    Campaign officials expect their Internet fund-raising engine to ramp up as the election approaches. And they hope that much of the high-dollar fund-raising can be done without Mr. Obama. In the New York area alone, there are some 18 events planned in September, all with surrogates, including Mrs. Clinton, Caroline Kennedy and Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico.

    But campaign officials conceded that Mr. Obama inevitably will have to make some appearances. On Friday night in New Jersey, Mr. Obama devoted five hours for two fund-raising events, including one at the home of the singer Jon Bon Jovi, in which the ticket was $30,800 a person. Mr. Obama is also scheduled to appear at back-to-back fund-raisers in Los Angeles on Sept. 16.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/us/politics/09donate.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=login

  330. Obama on Palin: ‘Mother, governor, moose shooter’

    More from Parnes in Farmington Hills, MI:

    Obama told the crowd that McCain and Palin spent most of the convention talking about their biographies.

    Palin’s bio is “compelling,” Obama said.

    The crowd booed. “No, it’s an interesting story.” More boos. “No, no, it is. I mean that sincerely. Mother, governor, moose shooter.”

    The crowd broke out in laughter. “That’s cool. That’s cool. That’s cool stuff,” Obama said.

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    keep it Obama…that ego is going to do you in…all about his ego…

    …just got thru watching Greta’s segment from Wasilla, Alaska…everyone she speaks to loves ‘sarah’…Greta has a clip of Sarah from a few months ago prior to having her last child…Sarah says very positive things about Hillary…and Sarah comes across so likeable and genuine…

    Sarah’s authenticity will do in Obama’s ego…

  331. Biden said he and Obama agreed on his high-road campaign approach. “That was part of the deal,” Biden said. “I’m not going to fool with my brand
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    Surley what is good enough for biden (who is on the ticket is good enough for hillary (who is not).

    Can bambi operate without an attack dog? From loves close kiss to hells abyss bambi/

  332. HillaryforTexas Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    moon, he gets pissy and constipated if he can’t do something lauded by the press as “historic” at least once a week.

    ****************************************

    what if he gave a speech and no one showed up…been there, done that…there is a new show in town…

  333. hey guys-can e try and make it a rule to please post the link with any material posted on here? it acknoledges the author of it and its important so folks like me can check it out directly esp if only part of the piece is posted…

  334. Paula Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
    What did Sarah say about Hillary?

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    basically Sarah was talking about how many advantages women have now in comparison to say, her mother’s day, and she used Hillary as an example (this was recorded while Hill was still in the race) She went on to say ‘look at Hillary Clinton who is the top three people running for President and we don’t really look at her as a woman per say, but how competent she is and how Hillary is one of the most important politicans in the world, etc…everything she said was positive in acknowleding Hillary and her achievement

  335. I wonder how Hillary feels – I know her aides made a statement that she will not be “anyone’s attack dog against Sarah Palin”…and that’s great, but she fought for the middle-class and the lower-class, and became their hero during the primaries…I can’t imagine Hillary would care for the snobbish attitude of BO’s current roster of followers, even if they used to support Hillary.
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    I think she is pissed off. First Bambi is so damned incompetent. Second, he wants her to destroy her brand to pull his chestnuts out of the fire for him when biden wont.

  336. texan4hillary
    i agree I get most of my talking points from here. Yesterday I read on another site that the wanna be comic who hosted the VMA’s had dressed as bin laden the day after 9/11. Searched and could find no verification. Again it was another site but it doesn’t do any good to post fiction. I frequently forward some of the excellent links I find here to individuals who do not blog and get the news from lacal affiliates and cnn.

  337. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/a_good_line_but.html
    A Good Line But Not Obama’s
    “This came to Senator Obama from a friend who didn’t indicate where he had gotten it from, but the questions it raises certainly continue to ring true,” Psaki said in an email. “He did not know it was from a cartoon and now that he does he will certainly credit the cartoonist.”

    Here is whom it belongs to
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=09052008&type=c

    Obama is really stupid.
    Freakin plagiarist steling from a cartoonist.
    Geez.

  338. Kinky Friedman, sounding like a closeted McCain/Palin fan, on a O’Reilly repeat tonight:

    I paraphrase:

    This has become a tale of two women: one who McCain picked and the other whom Obama ignored.

  339. Hi all…I saw Hillary this afternoon. Wow. She is the best, the smartest and the most competent Democrat in half a century. She was very very good and she looked great. We had FABULOUS seats, and Senator Arthenia Joyner (of RBC fame) made a great speech as well.

    I listened intently as she, Hillary, spoke of all the things I believe in as an American and as a Democrat. And the more I listened, the more depressed I became, because I kept realizing that it is NOT her that is on the ticket, but Obama and Biden. And she would go through her savvy and targeted policy remarks and speak of the things we as democrats have held dear and that only SHE could have taken in a new direction. And the in a way reminiscent of the “teacher” or “adult” voice in Charlie Brown televisions movies, I would hear “mwo, monp, womp, wonp” when she would end these remarks with “…and as President, Brack Obama will…”

    I believe HER. I do not believe him. I got to speak with her for about 30 seconds, and just said to her how much I appreciated her and reminded her that we met in Miami when we were both locked in the same bathroom. She laughed and looked at me in that “Hillary Way” and siad simply “That’s been a LONG time!”

    It was in May. It didn’t seem so long ago to me, but with all she has been through, I understand why to her it was a million miles ago.

    She is such an amazing woman.

    Somewhere near the end of her speech, someone yelled “TELL US ABOUT SARAH PALIN!”

    She paused, you could tell she was thinking, and it was just for a second, and then she said “I don’t think that is what this election is about! This election is about the difference between what Democrats offer and what the Republicans offer”

    (or something very close to that)
    The crowd roared! WOMEN STOOD UP (those of us who were sitting)

    But she turned the question back to the principles and did not attack Palin in the least.

  340. and Kinky Friedman says he believes Palin’s going to waltz McCain right into the White House. That is his prediction.

  341. The latest Arctic Ice Report…Dr Easterbrook is a little behind the times.

    “Following a record rate of ice loss through the month of August, Arctic sea ice extent already stands as the second-lowest on record, further reinforcing conclusions that the Arctic sea ice cover is in a long-term state of decline. With approximately two weeks left in the melt season, the possibility of setting a new record annual minimum in September remains open.’

    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

  342. Greta’s pieces on Palin are good. The clip of the interview she showed with Palin, was done in April. I was impressed with Palin’s complimentary comments about Hillary. How great it was, to have a woman in the race for president, who was one of the main contenders. I have to tell you, Gov. Palin comes across as very authentic, which is the anithesis of Zero.

  343. yes BO Bas been a repub operative sent in to take out HRC and once that mission was accomplished the field would be free for the REAL repub

    BO would never knowingly agree to that, he wants to win himself. I expect the GOP and/or other big money sources simply donated money to him without him knowing where it came from. Or at most they led him to believe this nonsense about the red state voters wanting him to ‘unite’ us.

  344. I made the mistake of watching a bit of MSNBC’s KO tonite. What a Palin hate fest and SUCH twisting of the statements he cited. I had switched FROM Fox, as I was watching repeats of repeats of the Sarah Palin network.

    I now turn to CNN and it’s more of the same Palin “questioning” disguised as news.

    Is there ANY place to watch the REST of what is going on in the world?

  345. after reading your headline, “Hillary, Please save us” I’ve come to the conclusion..she already has.

    I owe a great deal to Hillary, because she helped me realize that the democratic party is a broken party, that the elitists i.e. Pelosi, Dean, Brazile and the entire dnc think they know what is best for me. Hillary helped me realize before the coronation, that BHO was not qualified to be president, that the caucus system is a fraud and I was programmed to follow blindly and not question the powers that be.

    If there ever was an agent of change..that title belongs to Hillary alone!

  346. Norma Desmond

    I’ve taken to watching my local news a bit more, they don’t focus quite as much on the election. It’s rather interesting at times.

  347. debbie: I totally agree. Hillary helped to expose the fraudulent election, and the broken party system. She is truly an agent of change, and my heroine.

  348. I read on another blog that CM said the Palin was running between VP and First Lady. I don’t know, how that sexist jerk keeps his job.

  349. birdgal – I hope so…

    The Republicans know that BO has peaked and have taken advantage of it…even if he delivers a “major policy speech,” who cares anymore.

    Sarah Palin was introduced at just the right moment, just 2 months before the election – I think people were looking for an excuse to get away from the BO saturation – super-fatigue. maybe McCain’s campaign should just have Palin deliver speeches with all kinds of vagaries about “change” and “hope,” and see if the BO campaign and his bots start complaining how she’s not being specific.

  350. Idunn Says: Ummm…I’m telling you know who that you said the you know what name.
    =========

    I’m not even going to try to parse that without Hermione around.

  351. Oh! Another thing Hillary said was about how glad she was to be back in Florida and how important the State is in this election –

    and then she said “This time the votes in Florida will count!”

    +++++++++

    Also, just watched LOCAL news and apparently HRC gave a Presser afterwards and said, when asked about Palin that even tho the visions for the nation are different, it was good the Publicans had put a woman o the ticket!

  352. # turndownobama-com Says:
    September 9th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Idunn Says: Ummm…I’m telling you know who that you said the you know what name.
    =========

    I’m not even going to try to parse that without Hermione around.
    ++++++++++++

    TDO –

    I thought she was quoting something Obama said !

    THEN it would make sense! LOL

  353. I guess all of Obama’s primary fundraising success was just Democratic party faithful making sure that no goddamn woman was on the ticket.

  354. great blog referenced at RD’s comments:

    semidi.com/2008/09/08/from-the-department-of-if-only-youd-listened-to-us-during-the-primaries/

    From the Department of “If Only You’d Listened to Us During the Primaries”

    09.08.08 by semidi

    Both Digby and Chris Bowers are disheartened — and actually surprised — that McCain (depending on which polls you look at) is tied with or ahead of Obama after the conventions. Digby and Bowers are also upset that Obama isn’t playing hardball with McCain (a problem he didn’t have with Clinton, by the way).

    I feel the need to point out that if the Dem ticket had been Clinton-Obama, McCain-Palin would not be doing so well (or perhaps I should say that the Democratic presidential campaign wouldn’t be doing so poorly) and we would have had twelve — if not sixteen — years of Democratic White House administrations. Twelve to sixteen years would have been enough to undo the damage done by the Bush Junta (even with the Democrats’ kowtowing here and there to the GOP) and set in motion a 21st century “New Deal” whose inertia would have been too great a for Republican president launched into the Oval Office due to restless voters to overcome.

    Hell, even Clinton-”Insert Name” would be fairing better.

    When those of us who were Clinton supporters pointed out during the primaries that Obama was more conservative than Clinton — a powerhouse at the DLC — we were scoffed at.

    When we noted that Obama’s razor-thin resume would be a problem for many voters, we were treated with scorn.

    When we railed against the sexism and misogyny aimed at Clinton by the Establishment Media, too many members of the so-called progressive blogosphere, and the Democratic Party leadership, we were told that she asked for it and that she deserved it.

    When we celebrated the fact that Clinton kept winning key Electoral College states despite being outspent by Obama and when she beat him in the popular vote, we were vilified.

    Forgive me for being less than sympathetic to the “Why hast thou forsaken me, Obama?” lamentations; we told you people time and time and TIME again that he was less than an ideal candidate, and got fuck-all for our troubles.

    You had your chance to pick a better candidate, and you blew it. You should have listened to us during the primaries.

  355. Anybody have a link to any groups in PA that are fighting the selection. I know Jason Altmire– running for congress in w pa– has rec’d more than 25k from the bambi and our lady of perpetual evil(pelosi) pacs but as I watch the local news I am sure that the average voter doesn’t know this. I would love to be a part of getting that info out there. The question is how? Many of you have been so much more effective than I, but what I believe we need know is to get the real news out there now. Any suggestions are appreciated.

  356. It’s almost stunning how weak a general election candidate Obama is. He simply doesn’t have the credentials to win over swing voters, and it’s only going to get worse for him from now until election day. His inability to run a positive campaign and stay on message is absolutely killing him.

  357. A good friend of mine works as a mid-level staffer for the Obama campaign, and he said that in the last 24 hours they’ve decided to write off Ohio — it’s not a state they realistically expect to win. Yikes!

  358. vox
    i will vote against any democrat who endorsed nobama.
    i have never voted anything but dem in my life. Times i lost money by leaving work early but always believed that my vote counted. I LEARNED THIS YEAR THAT IT DOES NOT. Mc/Palin all the way. I think McCain would be a far superior president but I am also beyond enraged that the DNC selected a candidate without regars to the voters. I want pelosi and ried gone as much as I wanted Hill to be CIC.

  359. CJ Says:

    September 8th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    yep diga i was wondering about the eastern part of south dakota ,poor daschle and tim johnson
    ********

    what part are you in?? are we close??

    and i have not heard on the dem’s running here in SD….. I will have to do a bit of google tomorrow and see what i can find out 😉

  360. # Berkeley Vox Says:
    September 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    A good friend of mine works as a mid-level staffer for the Obama campaign, and he said that in the last 24 hours they’ve decided to write off Ohio — it’s not a state they realistically expect to win. Yikes!

    ****
    no wonder why the Gov of Ohio backed away from BO’s tax plan.

  361. I believe the primary can be explained in terms f three factors”

    1. hillary and bill are populists not corporate shills

    2. ted kennedy wanting one more camelot

    3. soros money and new members

    If McCain gets in MSNBC is dead on arrival. Heads will roll at CNN and NBC

  362. # Berkeley Vox Says:
    September 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    A good friend of mine works as a mid-level staffer for the Obama campaign, and he said that in the last 24 hours they’ve decided to write off Ohio — it’s not a state they realistically expect to win. Yikes!
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    Wonderful–if it is real

  363. BTW, Who IS gonna get drafted as BO’s attack dog? My money’s on Michelle.
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    not a pit bull–more like a schnauzer

  364. When the biased Media agrees to ask Obambi real questions, I hope the ask him the following:

    Why did you sit in a racist, hate-filled church for 20 years; allowed your children to be baptized there when you knew they were preaching hate and anti-Americanism?

    Why did you associate yourself with a known terrorist/radical such as Ayers?

    Why did you help Tony Rezko, a convicted felon, obtain millions of dollars for his shady businesses?

    Did Rezko bribe you, and if so, why did you accept it? Were you that desperate to live in a million dollar home?

    Why do you denying ever being a Muslim when evidence suggests both your dad and stepfather were devout Muslims? Your school records in Indonesia also suggest you were registered as “Muslim.”

    Why did you vote “present” or “I-don’t-care” more than one hundred times in the Illinois legislature? What else was more important than casting your vote?

    Why did you play the race card against the Clintons?

    Why did you smear the Clintons for political gain?

    How dare you now ask the Clintons to save your candidacy when you didn’t have the judgment and common sense to pick the most qualified candidate (male or female) as your VP?

    Do you admit picking Biden as your VP was a bust?

    Did Michelle ever call White Americans “Whitey”?

    What did you mean by “Typical White people” where referring to your grandmother?

    Do you agree McCain has a longer history of reaching across the isle than you do?

    Do you agree that Sarah Palin has as much experience as you do to be president?

    And lastly, are you scared? Good…you should be!

  365. EVERYONE:
    PLEASE EMAIL SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE ABOUT OBAMA
    Email Address:Senator@boxer.senate.gov
    Or send fax: 202-224-2981
    Or call: 202-224-7416
    Dear Senator Boxer,
    As chairman of the Senate Ethics Committee, I hope you will immediately open an inquiry into
    Senator Barack Obama’s discussions regarding a timetable for US troop withdrawal, as reported by the Iraqi leadership.
    I don’t think there is any question, that suggesting a delay (which would theoretically benefit him politically) was not
    only ill-advised but a direct violation of the Logan Act.
    The people have not yet voted for Senator Obama to be President, and until the time when they make their preference known,
    it is not only outrageous for Senator Obama to be negotiating anything with any foreign government or leader—it is against the law.

    I would also respectfully suggest that the Ethics committee look into Senator Obama’s August 2006 trip to Kenya where he campaigned for Opposition Leader (now Prime Minister) Raila Odinga.
    Odinga, as you may know, ran on a virulently anti-American platform in which he vowed to cease further cooperation with the US in sweeping up Al-Queda cells in
    the Horn of Africa and discontinuing extraditions of suspected terrorists to the US.

    Thank you for your attention.

    Very truly yours,
    your name

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