Breaking News: A Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin Shocker

Update: Palin Biography video below.
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It can now be reported.

Following months of investigation by intrepid Big Pink investigators in collaboration with Big Media and Big Blog busybodies the real story of what went on behind the Hillary Clinton campaign can now be told.

As many know, Hillary Clinton was the “woman” candidate “ready on Day 1” with 35 years of experience. After a race in which the unqualified Barack Obama race-baited, and gay-bashed, and woman hated, the unDemocratic Party selected Barack Obama as its nominee. The unDemocratic Party stopped at nothing in order to block Hillary Clinton, including disenfranchising the voters of Florida and Michigan.

But that is all old news.

The shocker rocking the political world is that throughout the primary campaign Hillary Clinton was pregnant. It was only recently, after the unDemocratic convention in Denver that Hillary finally gave birth. The gestation period lasted more than 44 years.

The shocker on top of this shock is that Hillary’s baby is non other than the Governor of Alaska, now the Republican Vice Presidential nominee, Sarah Palin. We will provide photographic proof of this amazing conception as soon as kooky Big Blogs post the shocking photos.

Clinton campaign staffers expressed shock that Hillary had been pregnant all the time. “She wasn’t showing,” stated media guru Mandy Grunwald, “None of us knew. We’re shocked.”

“It looked as if she had gained a little weight, but most of us thought it was due to lack of exercise and sleep and the greasy campaign food” explained shocked campaign internet guru Peter Daou. Anonymous sources at the campaign were said to be equally shocked.

The shock extended to the highest level of the campaign. A young woman with curly hair and a name similar to a New York resident hotel as well as a neighborhood in London was shocked. “I’m shocked” shouted the young lady. “No one knew. It is simply a shock.”

Republicans are equally shocked. The thought that Hillary Clinton is the mother of their Vice Presidential nominee shocked the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Republican Presidential candidate John McCain declared he was told Hillary Clinton was Sarah Palin’s mother, during the vetting process. “I am aware that without Hillary Clinton, there would be no Sarah Palin” stated the maverick reform Republican. Rick Davis and Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign stated they were aware of the shocking news before Sarah Palin’s convention speech.

“The first clue was how good she looked in pantsuits” enthused mop top Davis.

The campaign shocker did not faze the confident newly born Sarah Palin, target of many news investigations and Big Blog rumors. “Hi, Mom, thanks for everything” was the VP nominee’s sole comment.

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1,148 thoughts on “Breaking News: A Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin Shocker

  1. BO is hooting themselves in the foot. They will lose what few gains they made with Hillary’s falling on her sword so elegantly last week. Stupid fuckers. Quit with the fucking sexism you numbnutted mf’ers.

  2. Hillary understands that all women must work together. She nurtures herself and other women. That is truly the way for women to get ahead.

    Regardless of what they force her to say on the campaign trail, HRC is smiling inside.

  3. neetabug Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 12:14 am
    skmf12 Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 12:04 am
    well, from one of the bitter working class, i can tell you, i aint never seen any community organizer at my door, when i couldnt afford to feed my kid… although they might be in the african american community, they have never been anywhere else…
    since we already lost the aa’s, who gives a fuck!

    Whoa, i am an AA, i have never seen one at my door either. All community organizers do is try to fill their pockets. Don’t be surprised if John McCain get some AA votes. The ones O get is the not so informed ones or they just want an AA for president. For them they can see O shoot someone they will still vote for him.

  4. HILLARY MADE THIS POSSIBLE. She took the beating, and Palin gets the benefit. But that is often the way in crashing through barriers. HILLARY DID THIS. She battered that ceiling until it was weak enough. SHE IS MY SHERO.

  5. Harry Reid also using “shrill”

    Of course, because The Baracuda took HIS ass apart like it was a friggin’ 3 piece puzzle.

    And by name, no less. LOL!

  6. Good night all. I cannot believe that I have seen a Republican Women accept the nomination for VP. Pinch me, I must be dreaming. The Rep women were kind of in a daze.

    We fought hard, not realizing that our actions would result in a women candidate coming out of the another party.

    Amazing.

  7. Kos, If the Nixonians weren’t so dirty, Hillary would have stayed a Republican. She has a heart and her former party didn’t have one and she knew it. I doubt they do now, but they have fighting spirit and that at least is something since the Dems are now so very, very dirty. 🙁

  8. If you had bet me a million bucks I would be voting for McCain and someone not named Hillary Clinton 18 mos ago I would have laughed at you and taken the bet.

    I’d be very broke right now.

  9. Well so now we know who always planted that name “shrill” on Hillary now, DON’T WE? The freaking nasty ass Democraps!!

    wbboei, you are right, Hillary should not have left her roots, she was in the right place, she got caught up in the 60’s antiwar movement in college and then fell in love with a democrat.

    Hillary change back!!

  10. All those brilliant politicians and their p.r. guys!

    They don’t seem to be able to get out of their own way.

    Shrill?? SHRILL?? How pathetic! The 3 female reporters were shaking their heads, having to explain why this was so offensive.

  11. I’m going to bed. Way tired. Dodged a bullet at work today but I have to be at the office extra early tomorrow to dodge another one…

    Campell is schooling dumbass Wolfie on “shrill” now. He didn’t care for her answer and now has switched to Begala. *yawn* wtf does he know about sexism. I’ve oft wondered if he has a penis himself.

    Night, y’all.

    Hillary 2012. Sarah Barracuda 2020.

  12. Haven’t posted in a while because I have been incensed, angry, depressed and dismayed.

    That changed tonight.

    Hillary, you will always own my heart, but for this election, Johnny and Sarah are going to rent the space.

    Hillary 2012.

  13. Donna Brazile can kiss my hockey puck. She deserves to go down in infamy as one of the masterminds behind killing the Democratic party. I hope she is chased by mangy dogs in the street for the rest of her crappy life.

    I hope she is, in the hereafter, condemned to eternal conjugal bliss with toe-sucker Dicky Morris.

    But – we raise the old FDR coalition ike a phoenix in 2012.

  14. *********Hello Guys************

    Does anyone know NE – has said Sarah had an extra-marital affair with her husband’s partner? She has denied it as a vicious lie.

  15. Hillguy, I agree – I, too, posted similar this week: “Hillary owns our hearts; John and Sarah are just renting.” Hillary 2012!

  16. well done speech. very tr like. very trumanesque. run against the congress. run against msm. this aint the bush party.

  17. meiyingsu Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 12:38 am
    texan4hillary,

    Can hillary beat her in 2012( I think McCain will onlt serve one term due to his age).

    Obvoiusly.

  18. Beautiful:

    sagesgram, on September 4th, 2008 at 12:34 am Said:

    John McCain was on his last legs in the Republican primary and fought back small town by small town, without any interference from the RNC, despite not always being the Republican party’s favorite son because of his bi-partisanshipin the Senate,
    Our DNC had an agenda and totally gamed the primaries.

    Our nominee had the opportunity to recognize Hillary Clinton by getting down on his knees to beg her to run with him if necessary, to unite a party, to recognize the most qualified women ever in the history of our party, and he blew it big time.

    John McCain took a big gamble to ask an unknown woman, albeit from what I saw tonight a darn daunting one, to be his vice-president. I know of the deep and abiding respect that John McCain and Hillary Clinton have for each other. I prefer to think that Sarah Palin is to John McCain in some small way a salute to Hillary and women like me who suppport her.

    Political choice, yes. I won’t deny that, but tonight , the most red, white and blue night of all for a poltical party, John Mccain wore an orange tie.

  19. Beautiful:

    sagesgram, on September 4th, 2008 at 12:34 am Said:

    John McCain was on his last legs in the Republican primary and fought back small town by small town, without any interference from the RNC, despite not always being the Republican party’s favorite son because of his bi-partisanshipin the Senate,
    Our DNC had an agenda and totally gamed the primaries.

    Our nominee had the opportunity to recognize Hillary Clinton by getting down on his knees to beg her to run with him if necessary, to unite a party, to recognize the most qualified women ever in the history of our party, and he blew it big time.

    John McCain took a big gamble to ask an unknown woman, albeit from what I saw tonight a darn daunting one, to be his vice-president. I know of the deep and abiding respect that John McCain and Hillary Clinton have for each other. I prefer to think that Sarah Palin is to John McCain in some small way a salute to Hillary and women like me who suppport her.

    Political choice, yes. I won’t deny that, but tonight , the most red, white and blue night of all for a poltical party, John Mccain wore an orange tie.

  20. Don’t the ‘bots realize that their side completely SQUANDERS their candidate’s CREDIBILITY with voters and opinion-makers when they go for the ‘vicious lie’ strategies? Ugh. Sorry, reason #537 that I don’t want the “children of the corn” running the country.

  21. Sarah is not going down over some rumor, trust me. People are going to rally behind this woman, and personal attacks are only going to piss them off.

    She stood up there tonight and ripped the facade off of Obama’s fake “personal narrative”, and shone like the average patriotic American hockey mom she is. The contrast was unmistakable.

    I’m telling you, voters are going to love her, whether they agree with her or not.

  22. Schneider: Palin’s no pushover
    Posted: 11:25 PM ET

    From CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider

    ST. PAUL (CNN) – Democrats who thought Sarah Palin would be an easy, soft target are in for a surprise: this is not a woman to be trifled with. Her opponents may have thought she’d be a deer in the headlights, like Dan Quayle. They were wrong.

    (McCain’s appearance at the end of her speech wasn’t quite as surprising – that kind of pre-speech convention appearance has become almost expected.)

    Here’s what Republicans got out of the evening:

    1: They proved that Palin’s no pushover. They clearly established that.

    2: They established a tough, even bullying tone to this night of the convention which bordered on the ugly, mocking their opponents.

    3: Speakers gave strong testimony to McCain’s character.

    Here’s what they didn’t accomplish: An answer to what they will do to solve this country’s economic problems. Without that, they’re not going to get anywhere.

    And now it rests with McCain.

  23. Hilarious parody, Admin. So true – Without Hillary – there would be no Sarah.

    Like the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for………………even Wolf BLitzer asked the question…Should Barack Obama have picked Hillary Clinton?

    LOVED IT…could’ve heard a pin drop…all the other commentatoprs looking around to see if anyone was going to answer…none would…of course…………

    Then immediately Roland Martin started hammering her on “the slam to community organizers”…stating that HIS parents were community organizers (translation-no real jobs) Heard the word “sarcastic” several times from MSNBC, “mocking” from some, “snide” from Candy Crowley, also from others “shrill.” In another day…..we’ll be back to racism, I’m sure of it.

    Hey CNN & MSNBC – I’ve heard Obama be a real smartass and I’ve watched him give Hillary the finger on more than one occasion from the podium – so don’t even start with all that crap. We don’t care what you say – doesn’t change anything.

    Chris Matthews was noticebly upset, because “we can’t get to her,” and CNN was also talking about “how are reporters going to get access to her?” They’re all in a tizzy because they can’t “get to her” and “rip her to shreds.” McCain needs to shield her from the national reporters on the trail. Don’t give them the pleasure of filming her being reduced to their level.

    Bottom line – the “leftist elite” she referred to are predictably slicing her up – while saying her speech was perfectly executed, and

    As expected, Boyz From Brazile denegrated her, made light of her points and went back to the “four more years” crapola.

    As far as the RNC and the party officials, politicians were concerned – she hit it out of the park.

    Guiliani was brilliant, I thought. Took it to the Obama camp – called him basically, the zero he is. Priceless.

  24. Bitch on LKL talking about how trotting out her family was distasteful, while even Campbell Brown and Gloria Borger on the scene though it was effective, and didn’t slam that at all. Guess they all need to get their stories straight before they speak out.

    Running scared if you ask me.

  25. My husband isn’t the political junkie I am (okay, he’s kinda dense when it comes to politics). I asked him what he thought after Palin after that speech and he said, “She’s good. I mean really really good. people are going to forget who the hell John McCain is if she’s not careful.”

    LOL.

  26. She was the mother bear tonight. Instead of getting angry (or scared), she used mockery and smiles to get back at her tormentors. She gave it back to Obama and his minions tonight and we all have wanted to do that for a while now and didn’t know how. Revenge feels good.

  27. Fuck Obama hauling out former Hillary supporters to attack Palin. Both of them are lying that they have not heard anyone question palin’s ability to be VP with a baby. I have heard it since Friday on CNN and MSNBC.

  28. OK..Mum and daughter…you did the country good!

    ….
    on the last post, I volunteered to look after baby trig for minimum wage for 4yrs just to get this beautiful woman annd her family to Washington!!!!

  29. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Wolfsons_rave.html?showall

    Former Clinton aide Howard Wolfson, on Fox:

    What I was particularly impressed with was her ability to stick the knife into Barack Obama with a smile and do it effectively. she was very, very good….

    That shot at the end with she and her family on stage cradling the baby is priceless. You can’t buy that kind of imagery. She did a very, very good job. I agree Democrats have reason to be concerned. Nobody should underestimate this woman’s political ability, to go on stage in a hall like this, give a speech like this for the first time ever, quite impressive….

    I don’t agree with her on anything she said. the substance of what she said I think is very off base. I don’t think the American people will accept the policies out of this convention. In terms of pure political theater and rhetoric, In terms of imagery and stage prep, in terms of her ability to make a case against Barack Obama and do it with a smile, I thought she was good.

  30. From NRO:

    Palin & the Teleprompter [Rich Lowry]

    I’m told by a McCain aide that the teleprompter operator mistakenly rolled through the applause lines throughout the speech. So he rolled over the first two lines of the next paragraph after applause. But she was unfazed by it.

  31. I heard DNC media is going after Sarah’s pastor. They believe her church has a ‘Jew’ problem.

    I saw her watching Israel flag in a video tape., also the Jewish community in Alaska is very very happy about her.

  32. Well, Kostner, the RNC will have to trot out Rev Wright videos. From all accounts, the Jewish community in Alaska is happy with her. Where did the new politics of change go???

  33. Heh. I see the Georgetown Pimpernel ladies in pearls having too many martinis and wonder what they’re smoking in their cigarette holders.

    {{{{admin!}}}

  34. Kostner, Was that an Obama supporter running the teleprompter. I saw her many times looking down at her paper, the did not need a fancy teleprompter!

    She said to Obama and BM, everything we all have wanted to say for 18 months!!

  35. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13148.html

    Big Media reaction:

    ST. PAUL, Minn. — NBC political director Chuck Todd, weighing in shortly after Sarah Palin’s fiery speech before the Republican faithful, declared: “Conservatives have found their Obama.”

    Right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham agreed, telling Fox’s Greta Van Susteren that it was the “night conservatives have been waiting for.”

    Ingraham continued with high praise: “It’s one of the best political speeches I have heard — ever!”

    —————–

    So it wasn’t surprising that when Palin took the podium, she said she had a “little news flash for those reporters and commentators” — that she was not going to Washington to seek their opinion. Just then, an impromptu chant of “NBC! NBC!” broke out among the attendees, who likely prefer Bill O’Reilly to Keith Olbermann.

    But whether she wanted it or not, commentators had opinions.

    MSNBC’s Olbermann admitted that Palin “clearly gives a great speech,” but dusted off an Abraham Lincoln quote to express his thoughts. “People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like,” Olbermann said.

    Also on MSNBC, Chris Matthews called Palin a “torpedo aimed directly at the ship” of the Democrats, while adding that the comparison to Hillary Rodham Clinton simply doesn’t work.

    “At no time, during her entire presentation, did I think of Hillary Clinton,” Matthews said. “They have nothing in common.”

    Matthews called Palin’s speech — written by former White House speechwriter Matt Scully — a “very direct cultural shot” at Barack and Michelle Obama.

    Over on Fox, the panel was more flattering.

    “You see tonight that Sarah Palin has served the cause of uniting this convention quite ably,” said anchor Brit Hume. “She certainly has galvanized elements of the party behind McCain within the conservative wing of the party, which had not been enthusiastic for him before.”

    Sitting on the panel with Hume, Fortune’s Nina Easton called it a “home run,” and Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes was even more complimentary: “It’s a gift. She’s a natural. You can’t teach this.”

    Down on the floor, “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace said that a “star was born tonight.” Fellow Sunday show moderator, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, came to a similar conclusion: “Clearly, a star has been born here in the United States.”

    CNN’s Paul Begala had some fun with the angry swipes at the media, and said that small-town voters are “not casting their vote to annoy Anderson Cooper.”

    “You assume I’m part of this elite media they keep talking about,” Cooper responded.

  36. funny stuff admin but the theme is true…

    the suffragettes, Ferraro, Pat Schroeder and others laid the ground work for Hillary

    and Hillary birthed the biggest step by the republican party in its entire history …the VP nomination of Gov. Sarah Palin

    to me it is far more historical what the republicans have done than what the democrats have done.

    everyone expected the dems to “eventually” nominate a minority for president..no one expected the republicans to do this.

  37. This just goes to show you how stumped the BM is trying to find something on her. It makes me sick that they never brought out Obama’s and are now overvetting the woman candidate!

    I sure hope the 527’s are now turned lose with their ads.

  38. turndownobama heres what i posted on the last thread
    I hope we can stay on the attack of BHO and not on the people that have similar experience.

    debbie Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 12:52 am
    folks not in defense of BHO but community organizers work damn hard at least the ones I know. its not an easy job and requires long hours and weekends.
    They are the tireless army that fight the good fight and I have been proud to be one of them.

    having said that it does not reach the level of qualification for POTUS.

  39. note-speeches devoid of cultural conservaitve issues . appeal to all stripes. speak of reforms. change. very smart and very mccain. palin will be potent in rural sm town ameria and with many moderate women. remember bush won 1/2 women’s vote. roe not enough. i can see palin helping mcain ith his weakness-women. watch them campaign this weekend-go to wi, nm, mi, co-sm towns. forums. palin is sm town america. the rnc will have to vet obama. mccain hoped msm would do it. rnc must vet.

  40. On one of the other sites that I visit, one of posters asked, “What is with the orange flags?” I sent the poster a message that said, “PUMA.”

  41. mj Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 1:16 am
    Ibama’s community organizing was basically voter registration drives for the Daley machine
    ************

    I didn’t know that.

    However it is “one” thing that community organizers do.
    usually that type of work goes to political organizers and voluteers.

    I’d bet money that my resume is much better than BHO’s and that says a lot.

  42. Obama’s community organzing was also finding the required minority non-profit front organization, necessary to get the government grants for the housing projects done by Rezko and the partners in Obama’s law firm. Those grants all require communiity based minority participation so they need a shell non-profit for each one.

  43. Confloyd: I saw it on other sites. They thought Hillary’s tangerine pantsuits was a shout out to them. Was it? Who knows, but McCain was wearing an orange tie tonight, and people in the audience were waving orange flags, so maybe there is something to it.

    Liberals on other blogs are as snobby and catty as usual.

  44. finally someone appears who will take it directly to Obama and say out loud all the things we have been saying but the media ignores…

    right on Sarah…carry on for now…

  45. birdgal and confloyd, the PUMAs selected orange as their color before Hill’s speech. It was because of the “Orange Revolution” in the Ukraine, where a party committed massive voter fraud and stole an election, and the people finally stood up and put it right.

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=25822

    The PUMAs who went to Denver to fight for the roll call and protest wore Orange. Then Hillary wore orange for her speech. Then tonight, orange from the entire Alaskan delegation, and McCain’s bright orange tie.

  46. http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/03/focus-group-palin-was-alarmingly-strong.aspx

    Focus Group: Palin Was (Alarmingly) Strong

    Several moderate-Democrat friends of mine have been emailing–few if any would ever vote for McCain–but all agree that Palin was very strong. The more liberal among them are a little panicked.

    I completely misjudged how negative she would be. Her lines about Obama were brutally cutting and possibly over the top in places. But she’s a far better messenger than an angry white man. (Note, by the way, how both Rudy and Huckabee employed a tone that was more bemused than angry. That’s the modern GOP’s favorite trick–comedic ridicule in place of outright nastiness.)

    –Michael Crowley

  47. Hillary for Texas: Thank you for that story. There was a definite purpose for the orange pantsuit, flags, and tie. McCain has been reaching out to women, which is more than I can say, for the undemocratic party. The liberals are so snide. It is disgusting and disheartening. So much for being progressives. PINO.

  48. http://rep-am.com/articles/2008/09/03/opinion/363727.txt

    For months, we thought Democratic party leaders and left-wing journalists and blogs had torpedoed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid because of Clinton fatigue. But since Sen. John McCain named Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin his running mate, it has become clear sexism bordering on misogyny is at work.

    Early on, some Democrats, journalists and blogs wondered why she isn’t staying home to care for her infant with Down syndrome. Barefoot and pregnant, indeed. If Gov. Palin were a man, would they argue “a man’s place is in the kitchen”? They also doubt “a former beauty queen” has the brains to be “one heartbeat away,” and scoff at the notion Gov. Palin is “a working mom.”

    A man of zero accomplishments, Sen. Barack Obama ridiculed Gov. Palin’s “inexperience,” and claimed executive experience from running a campaign staff and budget larger than Alaska’s. But Sen. Obama overseeing a bunch of yes-men is a far cry from what Gov. Palin faced in Alaska, where she had to fight the corrupt Republican machine to reduce spending and some taxes, eliminate government waste, turn back the surplus to taxpayers and enact ethics reform.

    Meanwhile, journalists who have shown little interest in scandals involving Sen. Joseph Biden and other Democrats suddenly are all over Alaska looking for dirt on Gov. Palin, especially since the legislature, whose vindictive leaders think she is the antichrist, is investigating her firing of one of their good ol’ boys.

    And the same journalists and bloggers who for weeks suppressed the story of Sen. John Edwards’ infidelity and love child couldn’t wait to gossip about Gov. Palin’s unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy. Most despicably, the rabidly pro-Obama Web site DailyKos, where Sen. Obama and many Democrats and journalists blog, started and spread spurious rumors that Gov. Palin’s infant actually was her daughter’s bastard son. Considering his close ties with that Web site and how his campaign uses it to get out his talking points, we are unwilling to accept Sen. Obama’s word that his campaign had nothing to do with that vicious rumor.

    Democrats, journalists and bloggers also have been incredulous that Gov. Palin might appeal to some Clinton voters. But the pro-Clinton Web site hillaryis44.com sees the smearing of Gov. Palin as “an attack on all women, by proxy. The attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin to many Hillary supporters are the same as the attacks on Hillary Clinton. Many Hillary Clinton supporters will indeed, this November, vote for Hillary Clinton by proxy by voting for Gov. Sarah Palin.” In the view of the left, these women are “stupid.”

    Clearly, the left has many worrisome stereotypes about women, especially strong, intelligent, articulate, accomplished ones. And their Palin panic and paranoia are palpable.

  49. Somewhere Hillary is having a glass of wine and some sinfully chocolate cake, thinking, “I fucking told you so.”

  50. Q: Can Hillary beat her in 2012

    A: Can the Democratic party rally around Hillary as effectively as the Republican Party is rallying around Sara? OR-

    A: Can the Democratic Party rally around any Presidential candidate who can win at this point.

    (Comment: I am not sanguine about the future of the party.)

    But whatever happens to the party this is the best thing that could have happened to Hillary–seeing Sara do well in her debut. In the old Naval Academy lingo it proves that women are able to assume “the highest responsibilties of command, citizenship and government.”

  51. Levi is not a happy camper. From his myspace page:
    “I will never ever join the stupid army..so stop asking.. vote for obama if you wanna make me happy ! !”

  52. Admin: .For months, we thought Democratic party leaders and left-wing journalists and blogs had torpedoed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid because of Clinton fatigue. But since Sen. John McCain named Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin his running mate, it has become clear sexism bordering on misogyny is at work.
    ——————————————————————-
    Good point! And if you go back to 1984, it was the same. If you recall Poppy’s little comment that he had “kicked a little ass”. Bush 41 was a wimp. Three women and same treatment and I think it is getting worse not better. Again I think this was a good evening for Hillary.

  53. Somewhere Hillary is having a glass of wine and some sinfully chocolate cake, thinking, “I fucking told you so.”
    ——————————————————————-
    Hillary4Texas: I agree. She deserves it. And so do they. I have no idea what her state of mind is at this point. But if it flagging because of the death of 2 friends and the stupidity of her party, then tonights performance must have been a great anti-depressant. The party needs her now more than ever and many now know they fucked up. The best outcome here would be a November post mortem which read Landslide McCain/Palin: Party Should Have Picked Hillary.

  54. hrt, wbboei,

    Hillary and Bill said in the NY Mag interview in early June that they were ‘privately’ very pessimistic abotu Obama winning in Nov, iirc regardless of his VP. So they are probably not surprised at the bottom line this portends.

    It is kind of funny to think of Hillary having a stronger opponent in 2012, ie Palin. 🙂

  55. actual front-page headline, from one of the site editors, right now, over at Daily Kooks:

    “Smug and Sarcastic; Needs a Babysitter”

    —-

    Who said the liberal left blogosphere isn’t overflowing with deranged sexism and misogyny?

  56. I feel much better! I just got my usual money-begging letter from Howard Dean. My reply:

    Sorry, Howie – you and Pelosi and Brazile made your bed with an utterly inadequate candidate, now lie in it.

    This FDR and Clinton Dem is voting McCain/Palin. If you wanted my vote in November, you should have counted it last week. I am already donating to them, thanks.

    Oh, and Sarah Barracuda ate your Boy King’s lunch tonight. Middle America and the swing states are going to love her.

    Oh, and please do send Hilllary out to campaign – every time you do, you just painfully remind the voters once again how stupid the Dems were to muscle her out.

    Love and kisses, sweetie,

    One of THOSE women

  57. Palin has the Obama campaign completely off its game. 2008 is a “change” election, and Obama forgot that when he chose Biden. McCain pounced, and seized the “change” mantle when he named Palin. And now, to make it worse, Axelrod’s crew is trying to pick a fight over “experience” with Palin. Suddenly, the debate has shifted to McCain’s turf.

  58. Palin was great.

    I watched two taped version – FOX and CNN, and noticed something very interesting:

    Fox was doing cutaways to a diversity of people – to AA’s in the audience, Asian, Latino, etc.

    CNN was only cutting away to mostly white people in the audience, a few AA shots, but rarely.

    I can see where this is subliminally going with race-baiting.

  59. its the birth of a star. lots to ponder. we know msm-the hunt will begin again in hours. hillary aced every test. they heaped praise on her wonders-then trashed uaully with something obama related. mccain gets the spotlight tommorrow. its the speech of his life.

  60. t4hillary – exactly…

    i remember we always had about 12 hours of a good news cycle with Hillary even when she hit it way out of 6 ballparks, and then, the media would start their trashing all over again. i can only hope the Republicans will stand up, pushback and shove it to the media. this is the first time that we’ve seen a party, any party, outright talk about the sexism in the campaign.

  61. Although she will be victorious, in 4 years Palin will have VP experience. I think Hillary will have a tougher fight than I originally believed!

  62. The “New Dems” do have a bad tendency to shoot themselves in the foot, don’t they? Shoulda stuck with a good old FDR Liberal, and they wouldn’t have these problems. Base a whole campaign on “fresh and new” and you’re kinda screwed when something newer and fresher captures the public’s imagination.

    Oh well, live by the changiness, die by the changiness.

  63. BTW, media reports say that Palin’s teleprompter failed several times tonight, so she had to read parts of the speech from memory. Imagine if that happened to Obama and how badly he would stutter and stammer.

    I heards this from CNN and MSNBC, did anyone actually notice because i didnt, be afraid Democratic party, she’ll tear you a new one.

  64. Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.

    According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech.

    Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.

    Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.

    Sarah Palin. Winner.

  65. Ha, Media saying she may outshine McCain, sounds like an admission he absolutely made the right choice, the VP is the future and Biden is not the future, thats going back Palin is going forward.

    Ha they are making the Palin points more mute by the sec. The msm really thought mccain had picked some backwoods barbie and they got a royal kick in the ass last night. This woman is no pushover and Biden probably hit the drinks cabinet early last night and beeged not to have to debate her.

  66. One thing that I have noticed in the coverage of Palin’s speech.

    Where the hell are all the Obama spokespeople screaming from the rafters how racist she is? Why isn’t JJ Jr’s big face on TV, getting all sanctimonious that she DARED call him out for inexperience, and call his personal story a bunch of fluff, the dirty racist! She said much worse than Bill or Hill ever did, but not ONE PEEP about racism now.

    Why is that, I wonder? Could it be because that cynical tool got trumped up in the primaries when they knew they could use it, but concerns about “racism” are now under the bus since they don’t need that to prop him up anymore, and it might backfire?

    Funny how all that righteous moral outrage (that they claimed had nothing, NOTHING to do with winning an election, it was the PRINCIPLE of it) just “poof!” disappeared when they don’t need it to stir up any AA’s, or guilt any more Liberal white folks.

  67. Wolfson has been saying more and more positive things about Palin/McCain in the past few days. Hmmm…not so willing to follow the party talking points anymore???

  68. moononpluto Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 7:08 am

    Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.

    ——————————–
    When did this happen? If we can get a video, it would be hilarious.

  69. From my point of view, Sarah Palin just knocked Obama off the stage. She is a much more eloquent and able speaker than he is and at least twice as interesting.

    Not sure why the dnc and media are running so scared though. Reminder to Obama: Ms. Palin is the VP nominee and not the Presidential nominee.

  70. JanH, I think that all of this upside-down comparison of Obama and Palin (P to VP) is a trap set for Obama. The GOP will spring it when they are ready.

  71. HillaryforTexas,

    “Live by the changiness, die by the changiness.” You sure do have a way with words.

    I am floored by the news that Obama shilled as a community organizer to create a shell nonprofit for Rezko et al. to work their slumlord deals with the feds. Wow, he really is a total crook.

  72. H4T,

    Exactly.

    As well, I am so damn tired of hearing the word shrill. I can remember way back in my twenties that men who were sarcastic were called “witty” and women who were being sarcastic were called “shrill” and “bitches.”

    I honestly thought we were over that garbage.

  73. She was definitely very impressive. And despite my disagreements, I just LOVE that “get-yer-stinkin’-cronyism-outta-my-face” groove that she has going on.

  74. My favorite moment in her speech was when she talked about Obama’s Georgia gaff.

    He/the media keep talking about what if god forbid something happens to McCain, how will she be ready for day 1 without any foreign relations experience.

    Well, we are facing just such a horror show with Obama, only he is not experienced with anything…foreign relations, economy…

  75. Good Morning All,

    As usual, you bring forward the hopes, fear. and dreams of us all.

    I really felt Palin did well last night, but then I expected her to do well. It did please and enliven the base, and tonight we will see a UNITED Republican party, not one bussed in to fill the Field of a stadium.

    The Dems are fractured. We keep seeing the defectors, and the uniter (HRC is not their uniter) really does not want them back, O wants new voters.

    Shrill I expected. I knew when she started speaking they would bring that up. Women’s voices are just higher pitched than mens. If her’s were lower there would be other things said.

    I see that Big Pink is being quoted in blogs and in the Media. It is going to be an interesting 2 months.

  76. as i thought MSM and dems need to watch it and its bad for Obama.

    Rassmussen

    Last night’s polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign rather than help. Republicans and unaffiliated voters strongly believe that a double standard is being applied to Palin because she is a woman. Democrats disagree. Perhaps most stunning is that, among unaffiliated voters, just 42% believe Obama has better experience than Palin to be President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say Palin has the edge on experience. Again, most of the interviews for this survey were completed before Palin’s well-received speech last night.

  77. wow, its so wonderful to wake up to positive news about Palin isnt it?

    Palin gives star speech

    Palin wows audience

    Palin

    Palin

    Palin

  78. The only criticism i have of the palin speech last night is the backdrop.

    Anyone besides me get dizzy watching that huge Amercian flag billowing on the screen behind her? It made me seasick.

    LOL

  79. I think Palin is going to make quite a few commentators to jump ship.

    All I’ve heard all day is how the kids are sooo cute, the baby is adorable, she can fight and that she is tougher than Obama.

    They like her lots, she may well pull off an enourmous coup.

  80. I’m still in awe that the teleprompter was broken half way through and she winged that speech and still aced it.

  81. WSJ

    Twenty years after Ronald Reagan left office, Republicans who have long missed him may have found a future Margaret Thatcher. If John McCain wins, conservatives may find one of the most enduring accomplishments of his term will have been what he did before it started: helping to fill the Republican Party’s future talent bench with such a fresh and compelling figure.

    Sarah Palin is a conviction politician, a naturally compelling speaker and someone who can relate to her audience on very human terms. America has just learned why Mrs. Palin enjoys the highest approval ratings of any governor in America.

    Liberal commentators glumly noted the thunderous applause in the convention hall last night. But they could do precious little to attack. Even Keith Olbermann, MSNBC’s official attack dog, could muster only this as commentary on Mrs. Palin’s performance: “People who like this sort of thing will find this … the sort of thing they like.”

    Mrs. Palin accomplished several things last night. First, she introduced herself and her story to the American people in a compelling and warm manner, complete with effective pictures of her proud family. Secondly, she praised John McCain’s leadership, service to country and independence in a way that made him come alive. Thirdly, she effectively deflected the media and liberal criticism of her by saying they really represented an attack on the small-town and suburban values she grew up with. Lastly, she skewered Barack Obama with gusto but without meanness. Her line about her job as a small-town mayor being “sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities” brought the hall to its feet in a frenzy.

    Some hard-bitten political observers I know were uncharacteristically impressed with the Palin speech. Hal Stratton, a former Attorney General of New Mexico, wrote to me as follows: “That’s what we out west call openin’ a whole can of whip a— on your opponents.”

    Other observers were more restrained, but still impressed. “She passed her first major test, and if the reaction of the crowd in the hall is any indication, with flying colors,” says Peter Brown, the deputy director of the Quinnipiac Poll. “So much for the comparisons with Dan Quayle, who couldn’t have given that speech if his life depended on it. Obviously, Sarah Palin probably went down better in Warren, Michigan than she did in Washington, D.C. — but that was the whole point of her speech and her candidacy.” Indeed, while Mrs. Palin certainly won’t swing any deeply blue states in John McCain’s direction, she may have an impact in swaying independent voters as well as boosting GOP turnout in swing states such as Colorado, Nevada and Michigan.

    One of the standard operating theories this Election Year is that Barack Obama and the Democrats are much more energized, excited and willing to work hard for victory in November.

    After Sarah Palin’s remarkably effective speech, I don’t think any pundits or politicians will be able to count on a decisive Democratic enthusiasm edge. Sarah Palin electrified the hall, and from what I can tell from my e-mail inbox that excitement is being replicated in living rooms across the country.

  82. Many many thanks, Admin, for your good sense and tenacity over these many bumpy months. Please know that there are lots of lazy but intensely supportive lurkers out here who just thrive and survive on your words. All the alternatives are really desolate.

    Now, in the afterglow of Sara Palin’s knock-em-dead speech last night it is crystal clear that the party formerly known as the Democratic Party stands in need of a high colonic irrigation. One can almost hear the hiss of the gas going out of the Obama balloon as he starts to take some real punishment. He simply can’t handle it. It is melancholic for me to see the party I was proud of and part of for so many years take a nose dive like this and turn inside out. The betrayal I feel is not something that I can shuck off easily. It will take a lot of good Irish whiskey to get me to vote for McCain in November but no amount of whiskey could make me vote for Obama, What a Hobson’s choice!

  83. Keith Olbermann, MSNBC’s official attack dog, could muster only this as commentary on Mrs. Palin’s performance: “People who like this sort of thing will find this … the sort of thing they like.”

    Wow! Olbermann is certainly the brains of the outfit…NOT!

  84. This posted on a blog

    This is an e-mail sent to Obama supporters at my office this morning:

    Sarah Palin lost a good pair of high heel shoes last night.

    After the surgeon extracts them from the behinds of Obambi and Biden – tell them they can keep them as a souvenir, with best wishes.

  85. “People who like this sort of thing will find this … the sort of thing they like.”

    Well, Keith, I could say the same about those who like your show.

  86. SHE’S A ‘PIT BULL WITH LIPSTICK’

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09042008/news/nationalnews/shes_a_pit_bull_with_lipstick_127420.htm

    ST. PAUL, Minn. – Sarah Palin introduced herself to the nation last night with a part-folksy, part-fiery convention speech, tongue-lashing Barack Obama and her critics and saying she’s been slammed simply for being a Beltway outsider.

    Palin, who made history as the first woman to run as vice president on the GOP ticket, proved her chops as presidential nominee John McCain’s tough attack dog.

    The former high-school basketball star nicknamed “Sarah Barracuda” shoved back hard at critics who’ve questioned her light résumé.

    She touted her background as a small-town Everygirl and “hockey mom” who drives herself home and got rid of the Alaska governor’s luxury jet and personal chef.

    “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?” she asked.

    “Lipstick.”

    The crowd chanted “Sarah! Sarah” as delegates held hand-painted signs saying “Hockey Moms 4 Palin.”

    The mom of five smiled sweetly and thanked her fans – then came out swinging against Obama.

    “What exactly is our opponent’s plan?” she asked, and then mocked him, saying: “What does he actually seek to accomplish after he’s done turning back the waters and healing the planet?”

    She made fun of the Greek forum staging at Obama’s convention acceptance speech, wondering what happens “when the Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot.”

    On foreign policy, she said, “Victory in Iraq is finally in sight; he wants to forfeit . . . Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America; he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights.”

    In another zinger, the 44-year-old neophyte to the national stage declared, “In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.”

  87. Obama supporter, and Super Delegate Kilpatrick has plead guilty to FELONY CHARGES and will resign

    oh well…the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree now, does it

  88. Well, I felt the undemocratic party was dead, but last night confirmed it for me. I loved Governor Palin’s speech for its strength, brilliance, and sticking it to the BO campaign with skill and deftness. I feel like a woman, without a party. The FDR party seems dead at this point in time, and I don’t know, what the new undemocratic party stands for any longer. The Republican social conservatism, is not part of my belief system, but I may vote Republican for the first time in my life. The Republican party took a huge risk, but it may pay big dividends in Nov., and in the future. I think, they convinced many women, with special needs children to come over to their side. An advocate for special needs children in the WH. Very compelling. Which party is acting like the adult in this race? Which party has the best interests of our country at heart?

  89. hahahahahahahahahahaha

    Nigeria seizes money ‘for Obama’

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7592362.stm

    Nigerian anti-graft investigators have seized money raised by the head of the Nigerian Stock Exchange to support US presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission said it would give the money back to those who attended a gala dinner in Lagos last month.

    The EFCC said it had seized 74m naira ($630,000, £314,000), but said no Nigerian laws had been broken.

    US political parties are not allowed to receive contributions from abroad.

    Stock exchange chairwoman Ndi Okereke-Onyuike is also the head of Africans for Obama, a Nigeria-based support group.

  90. Kilpatrick

    4 months in jail, 5 years probation, not to run for or hold public office during probation period. Sentencing Oct. 28. Loses law license.

    hahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  91. Kostner: I laughed, when I saw that last night. When I saw pictures of this little gal, last week, her star power was very evident. She is a pistol. Meghan McCain had some on the trail campaign pictures up on her blog last week, and Piper’s spunk was very evident. I think, she is a natural politician in the making.

  92. So now Kilpatricks been caught, is this an enhancer for his resume, i guess he can run for president for the Dems in 2012 on his “experience”.

  93. Kostner, I agree that Pipper is something else. Did you also notice that she took that baby from her father, as she knew there was a point in her Mother’s speech coming up where he would be acknowledge, and probably needed to stand.

  94. Wow

    Palin Nabs Highest ’08 Broadcast TV Convention Ratings (more than for 0bama’s acceptance speech!)

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech during Wednesday night’s Republican National Convention bested Democratic speeches from Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and, in some cases, Barack Obama in preliminary ratings.

    Speaking last night, along with former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Gov. Palin took in a 5.4 rating/8 share on NBC, according to preliminary overnight household data from Nielsen Media Research, measuring 55 markets across the United States.

    In terms of this year’s conventions, the preliminary rating for NBC’s coverage last night is higher than any other night of the convention on the broadcast networks, including Sen. Obama’s nomination acceptance speech on Aug. 28.

    However, the ratings are preliminary and are subject to change.

    ABC averaged a 4.0/6, up more than a full ratings point against the DNC’s third day, and CBS scored a 3.1/5, beating its previous Wednesday coverage by 29%.

  95. Palin Nabs Highest ‘08 Broadcast TV Convention Ratings (more than for 0bama’s acceptance speech!)

    Yes! That is what I’ve been waiting for! 🙂

  96. moononpluto

    The first act of getting someone to vote for you, is for them to hear and see you. Palin sure did that last night.

    So when they calls those preliminary, I guess that mean Os people have to go in there and figure out a way to bring these rating down below his.

    They keep working on his convention bounce. Pretty soon they will have it the highest bounce ever. (give me a break it took you almost a week to make it a respectible figure).

    Figures lie and liers figure.

  97. I was just seeing a few footage excerpts of Biden’s responses to Palin’s speech, and reading a few of his appearances earlier this week..
    Does anyone else get the sense that he really doesn’t want to be on the ticket, is just going through the motions?

  98. moon, yes, that, but I noticed it even earlier in the week. I had heard rumors that Biden did NOT want to be VP, and the DNC basically told him he had to do it or else (in so many words).

    I’m starting to wonder if it’s true.

  99. Hussein Obama is toast…..

    NO WAY, NO HOW, and I will never vote for this car salesman!

    PUMA in effect….

    HRC 2012

  100. Donna anywhere near a campaign is the kiss of death.

    I wonder what Hillary thought about the speech? Wolfson was very complimentary, i wonder if she feels the same way?

  101. had heard the speech was heard by 30 million – not sure if that is the final tally. I think Hillary was 32 million…but still, probably not the final tally.

  102. The democrats realized last night that they not only picked the wrong candidate last night but how to rally the wagons around their candidate.

    Donna I wonder how she feels today when realized that Rove outsmarted her??

    This was the best chance to get our platform on the national scale and they chose to put up an inexperienced black liberationist as the nominee.

    I also heard a pundit last night let it slip that Hillary had won the primary. He said that Ferrero was first on a national ticket and Hillary was the first to win the primary. EVERYONE KNOWS HILLARY WON THE RACE!!

  103. Seems as if the ‘liberal’ media is going to fight. They still don’t get it as the males proved last night. They couldn’t understand why Gloria Borger and the other female said that ‘shrill’ was a bad word.

    They first said that perhaps Dean meant all the speakers. The women said men aren’t called shrill. Dana Bash confirmed Dean was talking about Sarah. The men shrugged it off.

    Today Obama supporters are reacting with fury.
    McC/Palin have morphed into a cross between Nixon/Agnew and Hitler/Ivan the Terrible. The amusing part is the Obama pushback. Sarah is 1. inexperienced (from the comm. organizer who had one satisfied customer: Rezko). 2. too nasty (from Mr. Sexist Trash Talker) 3. lying about her record (from…hell, you fill in this one)

    The new talking point is that Obama HAS run something: a huge, very successful campaign.
    Really? Does that mean he is responsible for “monster”. “shrill”, “b–ch”, or just the winning more delegates in a state he lost?

  104. freckles

    With all the mistakes his staff seems to make, and the way he spends money for failure, I have to ask the definition of a successful campaign.

  105. so, it just occurred to me who should play Sarah Palin in a movie – the actress who played Jessica Stein in Kissing Jessica Stein.

  106. Running a government is different than running a campaign. Governor Palin is running the government of Alaska. This is no small feat. Much larger, than running a campaign. She has a larger budget, more employees, has work with diverse interests, and she doesn’t have a bunch of yes-people working for her. The Bo campaign is pathetic.

  107. This is going to be a long 60 days. The shrill thing really gets under my skin. She did care if they called her shrill because her party stands behind her.
    Last night proved to me that the demcrats can and should learn alot from the republicans about how to stick together and how to pick the correct candidate! Then again the elites have control at this point and we all know how smart they are!

  108. Running a campaign? He hasn’t run anything except his mouth off. He has plenty of experienced people running the campaign. All he has to do is show up and lie about everything.

  109. Obama is TOAST and he has lost California…look voters aren’t stupid and they don’t like the personal attacks coming from Team Obama on Gov. Palin.

    The West Coast is different from the East Coast and Sarah Palin is highly respected out here, she might be under the radar but in the Republican circle she is already a hero.

    What she did last night was to introduce herself to a worldwide stage…Team Obama don’t know how to run a G.E.campaign and he is making mistakes after mistakes to his peril. Attacking her children…Trig and Bristol, and being a working mom was a HUGE mistake and turn off with a LARGE California electorate.

    Also CA has a huge small business class that are hurting and not seeing anything from Team Obama other than more taxes…even our Democratic Los Angeles Mayor cut city taxes and fees for Small businesses.

    I just personally DON”T LIKE Obama and the message he is teaching my kids…I had to remind my daughter after she regurgitated those smears and lies from Team Obama, that she comes from a conservative Democratic family that because we are black are liberal on some social issues like Civil Rights and Human rights. But take personal responsibily and acountability and applying fical responsibility, hard work vs welfare is what our family has always been about.

    We’re not victims!!! We’re Overcommers!!!

    Love Hillary, but I’m voting McCain/Palin 08 because instead of “It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush” maybe it will take a McCain/Palin to clean up after Bush, because I don’t see Obama doing it at all.

    I’m convince more after watching the Democratic? Taliban Party convention in Denver and seeing the Corrupt Chicago Machine get all that face time on prime tv and cutting any Clinton supporters out, that signaled “we don’t want you or need you, in our new democratic coalition.”

  110. Pit Bull Palin, I like that especially since she does not have her hands tied behind her back by the party/leaders/msm/and such like our Hillary did.

    Is there a link somewhere to the Republican women who were standing up for P. B. Palin?Now, that is a breath of fresh air, women standing up for women and standing against media and men who attack with sexism and misogyny.

    On one of the main roads here in town, there is a man with a bicycle who has been at an intersection most everyday since the primaries. He held homemade signs promoting Hillary. He then hel homemade signs saying elect McCain. Earlier this week he held signs denouncing nObama. I embarrass those in the car with me when I yell support for this guy. Heartwarming.

    Those who were for Hillary will take a look at Palin;and their differences in issues/opinions seem to me to be less distant than those of MO/BO and the undemocratic Democratic Party.

    I will make a trip today to the McCain headquarters here and ask them to please unite and defeat sexism and misogyny, and to ensure that nObama does not steal the general election and rig the voting machines or such. I will also suggest that they man the polls and voting areas to ward off intimidation from ObamaNationals. I want Palin buttons to put with my Hillary buttons. I am to volunteer for Poll worker here and I ask that each of you volunteer in some form during election day.

    …and to think, we could have had Hillay.

  111. Sarah Palin was a breath of fresh air last night. She was likable, down to earth, and although I don’t agree with some of her policies/beliefs, she gave the impression as someone who you could trust to do the right thing/fight for what is right…someone you would be comfortable sitting with at the table.

    Obama on the other hand…well I think I would have to hang up garlic all over the place before I let him take a step inside. 😉

  112. Carby: that was an excellent post. I live in the liberal Northern California, so I think Bo will take this part of the state, but Southern Ca has a larger population, and with the Gay Marriage Amendment on the ballot, the conservatives may come out in droves. Unfortunately, the bigotry may in up, in the CA constitution, which does not please me, one little bit, but it helps McCain’s chances in CA. It may be closer than we think.

    I admire your strength as a woman, for sticking to your principles and your guns.

  113. remember, Don’t watch MSNBC.

    from Drudge:

    TUESDAY NITE CONVENTION RATINGS, 10 PM ET

    FOXNEWS 6,179,000

    NBC 4,468,000
    CNN 3,220,000
    ABC 3,098,000
    CBS 2,928,000

    MSNBC 1,590,000

  114. one other thing, that I really liked last night, was Palin saying that special needs children have an advocate in the WH. I bet, she won a lot of votes with that statement.

  115. Norma, I think Biden is already ill, has he not been drunk while at the podium? I saw a YouTube to that effect. What is it with these strong men – alcohol, cocaine, what did nObama call it, smack?, not even to mention producing an illegitimate child while you think you can run for and win the white house and your wife is terminally ill? What could they be thinking?
    How many days do you think it will take for nObama to have Biden exit?

  116. Norma Desmond Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    Watcha bet Biden “becomes ill” and withdraws and they ask HRC?

    any takers?

    I wouldn’t put anything past the DNC. Hillary will not do this. They can ask her to take over his position as president

  117. Admin: WOW! I never watch MSNBC anymore, but those ratings are really, really bad. I watched C-Span last night. It is so much better without the commentary.

  118. Admin

    he he he

    Olberman can whine with Bambi. And I suppose he will have a “Special Comment” soon, spitting his vile self-righteous indignation that McCain could do such a cynical thing as run a QUALIFIED candidate

  119. I think we need to repost The Obama “hillary in the duck blind with her six shooter” in honor of Sarah

  120. Admin
    TUESDAY NITE CONVENTION RATINGS, 10 PM ET

    FOXNEWS 6,179,000

    NBC 4,468,000
    CNN 3,220,000
    ABC 3,098,000
    CBS 2,928,000

    MSNBC 1,590,000

    What about c-span?

  121. Carbynew: “We’re not victims!!! We’re Overcommers!!!”

    That hit me heart and soul! It ought to be a banner. MLK would proud of you.

  122. Good Afternoon, Hillfriends:
    It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood! Here’s a piece from Crain’s – well, they are from Chicago after all.
    * * * * *
    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=30875

    RNC Notebook: Palin punches, but what does she hit?
    Sept. 04, 2008

    (Crain’s) — The moose lady knows how to throw a punch.

    GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin clearly did her job last night, shifting the focus from herself to Barack Obama in a rousing speech that clearly has Illinois Republicans pumped in a way they have not been in quite awhile.

    That’s no minor accomplishment. Ms. Palin was cool, controlled and comfortable on the big stage. She was convincing. In the great contact sport known as politics, intensity can be everything.

    But if the Alaska governor gets an A for style, her mark for content is, at best, a B, in my book.

    She fibbed about killing off the so-called bridge to nowhere in Alaska — she was for it before she was against it, and ended up accepting the money and using it for something else — and rather grossly distorted Mr. Obama’s position on tax cuts.

    Yes, she was tougher and icier than an arctic breeze, a stance that some GOP strategists privately acknowledge was designed to make up for her lack of experience. She even ridiculed the Chicagoan who would be president for spending the first few years of his post-graduate life not making money but working as an organizer with laid-off steelworkers and their families on the Southeast Side.

    So much for nobility. But the attack is a good tip off as to what’s really occurring in St. Paul this week.

    The media caught on right away to the disconnect between Mr. McCain’s months of ridiculing Mr. Obama as dangerously inexperienced and his vice-presidential selection of a 20-month governor of a small state. It’s been asking lots and lots of questions.

    Like why Ms. Palin, the “reformer,” hired the former chief of staff to indicted U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens to arrange for $27 million of earmarked pork projects for her hometown. Like what affiliation she and her husband had to a group that wants a vote on Alaska independence. Like the significance of an Alaska probe in alleged abuse of power by the governor.

    Team McCain didn’t like it. And they didn’t want to make her available for questions. So it responded last night with a barrage reminiscent of a Richard Nixon convention 35 years ago.

    Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Rudi Giuliani and Sarah Palin alike railed against East Coast elites, foreign policy apologists, evil liberals and, above all the media — which, perhaps except the National Enquirer, has been just doing its job. Only Mike Huckabee mixed it up a bit.

    No one used Spiro Agnew’s old line about nabobs of negativism. But the chants of “USA, USA” would have done a construction site full of hard hats proud. The chortling about “cosmopolitan” Democrats, the paeans to small-town values, would have fit right into one of Mr. Nixon’s appeals to the silent majority.

    Almost makes me want to dig out that old pair of bell bottoms from the bottom of the closet. Almost.

    Yes, it’s politics. And, yes, Team Obama threw a few pitches of its own in Denver.

    But unless I’m mistaken, Americans are ready to move beyond slash-and-burn politics to actually get things done in Washington.

    Perhaps Mr. McCain will dangle a little bipartisanship tonight. But Wednesday night was the heart of this Republican National Convention.

    For Ronald Reagan, it always was morning in America. For Team McCain, it was time to rail against “them.”

    We’ll see if it works.

  123. I’m getting so tired of sending emails and snail mails nearly everyday to those in power, who most likely never read them, but somehow I can’t stop doing it, hoping for a hit now and then. This is the one I’ve been sending to the Democratic Party every time they ask for money. I recently added Palin’s and Biden’s names, and this morning I changed “select that empty suit, Obama” to “select that ZERO, Obama”

    “Senator Clinton would have done us proud, but you stupidly worked against her to autocratically select that ZERO, Obama, instead.

    Your claim to stand for women’s issues means nothing because you are infected with misogyny.

    I agree that McCain/Palin is not a dream team, but Obama/Biden promises the same old ineptitude we’ve been seeing from the Dems for years, plus additional serious dangers. Senator Clinton is the most capable leader for our time. You showed your lack of concern for the people of this country when you UNdemocratically rigged the nomination and threw her out! My family and friends, life-long Democrats, might never ever forgive you for this. I’m not talking the loyalty issue or women’s issues. I’m talking about her solid ability, integrity and dedication to the good of the people. Only the Clintons carry the true values of the old Democratic Party — wake up and realize it! Put Hillary back into the race, and then we’ll talk about donations. Meanwhile McCain/Palin is all we’ve got.

    And by the way I wish you would stop sending Hillary out there to plead for the empty Obama. If he’s any kind of a leader he ought to be able to stand up for himself instead of clinging to her pantsuit. It’s insulting to her greatness and it’s a clear admission of his inability to win, to be a leader for all the people on his own. Of course, it’s also a constant reminder that she is all that’s left of the party. Did you get that? The Clintons are all that’s left of the Democratic Party. The rest of you are dead and not worth a funeral, not to mention a 5 dollar donation.”

  124. Birdgal, I have been waiting with great anticipation to the Special Needs part. I spent more than twenty years working with those who were crippled and other health imparired. These parents, grandparents, and educators are activists who are relentless and the number of special needs chidlren is astronomical now compared to when I first entered the field. This is a huge constituency of parents and people who are looking for an advocate in the white house; and there are those who are against No Child Left Behind. Pit Bull Palin has tapped into a source of votes that will be loyal and true, and no one else has – kind of takes the luster out of the Kennedy family I think.

    Next to step up will likely be Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey.
    The tide has turned, the tsunami I reported early on in the primary is almost audible now. Listen. Hear it?

    T. Boone Pickens was on and said that McCain had not addressed his energy requirements, is McCain ignoring him for some good reason? He said nObama was “almost” there in energy independence strategies…..I don’t think so.

  125. Illinois Underground: That article was full of innuendos and slurs, many of which, have been debunked. Slash and burn politics? The BO campaign has been a poster child for this style of politics. It exemplifies the hypocrisy of the campaign and the press. The are bah-humbug, because someone else took the spotlight away from the “annointed one.” What hypocrisy, elitism, and arrogance. This what many people feel from the BO campaign and they don’t like it, which is why, they do not connect with BO.

  126. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    Last night’s polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign rather than help. Republicans and unaffiliated voters strongly believe that a double standard is being applied to Palin because she is a woman. Democrats disagree. Perhaps most stunning is that, among unaffiliated voters, just 42% believe Obama has better experience than Palin to be President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say Palin has the edge on experience. Again, most of the interviews for this survey were completed before Palin’s well-received speech last night.

  127. I would love for the Republicans to hire a small army of computer savvy soldiers to combat the poison and lies that Obama’s hit team keep trying to spread.

  128. By having Palin assume the traditional “VP-candidate-as-attack-dog” role (could this have been any clearer, with the pit bull analogy?), the McCain campaign has handcuffed Obama/Biden. How can they respond without opening all the festering wounds about their campaign’s ongoing sexism? God, what a brilliant pick this was. It becomes more and more apparent by the day.

  129. Clinton aides: Palin treatment sexist
    By: John F. Harris and Beth Frerking
    September 4, 2008 11:46 AM EST
    politico.com

    ST. PAUL, Minn. — Sarah Palin found some unlikely allies Wednesday as leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed the Republican charge that John McCain’s running mate has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats.

    Georgetown University professor Deborah Tannen, who has written best-selling books on gender differences, said she agrees with complaints that Palin skeptics — including prominent voices in the news media — have crossed a line by speculating about whether the Alaska governor is neglecting her family in pursuit of national office.

    “What we’re dealing with now, there’s nothing subtle about it,” said Tannen. “We’re dealing with the assumption that child-rearing is the job of women and not men. Is it sexist? Yes.”

    “There’s no way those questions would be asked of a male candidate,” said Howard Wolfson a former top strategist for Clinton’s presidential campaign.

    The sexism charge was hurled with new intensity Wednesday afternoon by McCain surrogates, all women, at a news conference just hours before made her acceptance speech here – a speech in which she said this about the media and Washington elite: “I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion – I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country.”

    The tense encounter with reporters showed how McCain’s team has abandoned all pretense that this convention is about anything but Palin, her résumé and her wildly unexpected ascension to the GOP ticket.

    A choice that was intended to shake up the race did so with more ferocity than McCain ever intended. The mother of five — with one pregnant teenage daughter and an infant son with Down syndrome — has joined a parade of personalities from Anita Hill to O.J. Simpson to Monica Lewinsky to become a cultural flash point.

    As the controversy over her qualifications and McCain’s vetting process overwhelmed events here, hypocritical rhetoric was flowing at full tide on all sides of the debate.

    Many conservatives, who spent a generation ridiculing the politics of victimhood and group identity, are now zealously invoking both in the Twin Cities. A common GOP talking point here is that Palin’s gender and experiences as a mother should be counted as an asset among her qualifications. At the news conference, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift condemned “an outrageous smear campaign” against Palin, and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina said, “The Republican Party will not stand by while Gov. Palin is subjected to sexist attacks.”

    Just last spring, Palin herself scoffed when Hillary Clinton’s campaign complained about a double standard in coverage.

    “When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, ‘Man, that doesn’t do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country,’ ” Palin said.

    Now, McCain’s team is urgently recruiting female surrogates and loudly crying sexism to deflect legitimate inquiries into Palin’s experience, her record, and the last-minute, improvisational process by which McCain chose a small-state governor who was elected in 2006 after serving of mayor of small-town Wasilla, a far suburb of Anchorage.

    It was a process dominated by a small handful of male aides to McCain, consulting no woman other than the candidate’s wife, Cindy McCain.

    Even so, many media and liberal voices have made the job easy for McCain’s spin squadrons. Among the eyebrow-raising comments in recent days:

    • Democrat Joe Biden, in what he intended as self-deprecating remark, observed, “There’s a gigantic difference between John McCain and Barack Obama and between me and I suspect my vice presidential opponent. … She’s good looking.”

    • A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women, noting Palin’s opposition to abortion rights and support of other parts of the social conservative agenda, told Politico, “She’s more a conservative man than she is a woman on women’s issues. Very disappointing.”

    • Liberal radio host Ed Schultz used the words “bimbo alert” to refer to Palin, and the Huffington Post featured a photo montage of Palin with the headline, “Former Beauty Queen, Future VP?”

    • CNN’s John Roberts recently pondered on air: “Children with Down’s syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of vice president, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?”

    This line of inquiry was echoed by writer Sally Quinn, who in her “On Faith” column for washingtonpost.com agreed that Palin is a “bright, attractive, impressive person,” but also asked, “is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job?”

    “Her first priority has to be her children,” Quinn wrote. “When the phone rings at 3 in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?”

    There is little question that these questions are being asked around kitchen tables. But there are recent examples of a double standard.

    Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) was more frequently praised for his perseverance than hazed for misplaced priorities when he continued his presidential campaign even after wife Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with an incurable form of cancer. The couple has two children still at home, ages 10 and 8.

    Edwards was himself a close finalist for a vice presidential nod in 2000, when Al Gore nearly tapped him at a time when he had served the same amount of time in the U.S. Senate that Palin has as Alaska governor, and about the same amount of time that Barack Obama had served when he began his presidential quest two years ago.

    Phil Singer, who worked with Wolfson on Clinton’s campaign, said the news media tend to focus on different sets of subjects when covering women candidates. He noted articles on Clinton’s cleavage, and whether she had the personality of a “bitch.”

    “There’s no question that the issues a woman has to deal with are different,” Singer said, adding that, “The real indictment that needs to be prosecuted is about her views, not her personal life.”

    Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said in a Politico interview Wednesday that a double standard was being applied against Palin, in part because she is unknown to Washington reporters. “It’s always a dangerous thing to surprise the press,” he said. “When you’re unorthodox and unpredictable, you pay a price.”

    He also noted a subject that “I probably shouldn’t get into” on the record, before deciding to plunge in: Historically, Cole, said “to be a leader in the women’s movement, you have to be a liberal. This is clearly a very liberated woman who is not a liberal. And I think there is some tension with that because again, she breaks a lot of stereotypes and molds.”

    Some commentators said the McCain campaign has no grounds for complaint about sexism because it stressed her family background in her public unveiling last week in Dayton, Ohio, with her children on stage.

    “The first image here [of Palin] was: This is a woman who is a wife and a mother, and let us tell you about her family,” said Ruth B. Mandel, a founder of and senior scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “If they want the country to see her in a different way, and if they want the children and the family to be off-limits, they have to reframe it. You can’t have it both ways.”

    Barbara Risman, a leader of the Council on Contemporary Families and a sociology professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, walked a middle ground on the emergence of gender identity politics in the presidential race.

    “It makes absolutely no sense for me to vote for a woman just because I have a vagina and so does she,” said Risman. “But it does make sense for me … I believe that someone who has lived a life like mine just might understand my struggles more than others.”

    And she hoped that Palin and the uproar over her coverage would prove itself to be a cultural milestone: “I think it’s really important, from this day forward, that we all ask about every candidate’s work life and home life. It’s sexism otherwise. … We have to be careful not to ask her questions that we wouldn’t ask a male candidate.”

    Cecile Dehesdin, Ryan Grim, David Paul Kuhn contributed to this story.

  130. Lil Old Grape

    NICE letter!

    I wonder how many MILLIONS of these the DNC have received in the past six months.

    I wonder if they are recycling or just throwing them in disgust into the trash.

  131. Obviously, the DNC has not been listening, or things would have turned out differently. This was not an election, it was a selection.

  132. Birdgal. It was not only a selection, it was the total undermining of the democratic process in order to advance an agenda, and a great deal of that agenda was racial.

  133. Somebody please write an honest expose about the underhandedness of the DNC, Obama, and the media is this election season.

    I expect you could become an instant millionaire if you wanted to.

  134. I don’t know how to put up links, but there is a 59 sec. video on youtube that I think everyone should see. All you have to do in Google is type: Obama goes off on a heckler and then click on the first link to watch it. It’s shocking. This is presidential material? I don’t think so, lol.

    There are other links of this also, but some of them cut out the good part. Watch it to the end.

    I had also seen another video a while back where Obama was trying to say something and he made 3 or 4 attempts to say a sentence before he actually strung it together. He really looked like he was “out of it”.

    Maybe admin. can post the link to the right one here.

  135. anH Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Somebody please write an honest expose about the underhandedness of the DNC, Obama, and the media is this election season.

    I expect you could become an instant millionaire if you wanted to.

    I was just thinking the same thing.

  136. Birdgal, agreed, that is the media jumping on half-truths and stuff made up of whole cloth. I’m just shocked that it comes from a usually reliably Republican Crain’s Chicago Business. (or, why I’m “underground”)

  137. Woah NMF,

    If by some terrible piece of fate this man becomes 44, we’d all better run for the hills. The guy is a lunatic and I bet a psychiatrist would have a field day with that clip.

  138. NewMexicoFan, we have not linked to that Youtube because it is doctored. Obama is not saying those things. It is a cleverly cut video, but doctored.

    Obama is enough of a mess that we don’t have to make things up about him.

  139. Norma: ITA. It was total destruction of the democratic process, and showed how corrupt and rotten the democratic? party really is. Pelosi has to go.

    Bluegirl: be careful. there is a “doctored” youtube clip about BO’s response to a heckler. It is not valid.

    Illinois: Doesn’t the Chicago machine involve both parties? Maybe, that explains it.

  140. admin says: “Obama is enough of a mess that we don’t have to make things up about him.”

    Truer words never written or spoken.

  141. Governor Palin reminds me of LBJ. She is, indeed, a pit bull.

    The Head of Public Safety she fired is trying to take her down by leaking her e-mails to the Washington Post. I read the e-mails and think, “wow. This woman is one serious badass”.

    Take this e-mail from the WaPo’s expose. Clearly, Palin is smart enough to know she can’t tell the guy to fire her ex-broather in law. So she sends him an e-mail encouraging him to go to legislature and testify in favor of a bill mandating 99 year prison terms for police officers found guilty of murder. Why does she want her cabinet offical to support the bill?

    Because “We have too many examples lately of cops and troopers who violate the public trust. [Dept. of Public Safety] has come across as merely turning a blind eye or protecting that officer, seemingly ‘for the good of the brotherhood’.”

    Who does she use as an example of rouge cops? Yep. You betcha!

    Here’s the whole passage from the WaPo. This woman’s arm twisting would make LBJ proud:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303210_pf.html

    In that first e-mail, sent a few weeks after the meeting, Palin encouraged Monegan to testify for a bill that would require 99-year sentences for police officers found guilty of murder. “For police officers to violate the public trust is a grave, grave violation — in my opinion. We have too many examples lately of cops and troopers who violate the public trust. DPS has come across as merely turning a blind eye or protecting that officer, seemingly ‘for the good of the brotherhood’.”

    She cited Wooten’s case as an example of violating the public trust. She recounted his transgressions, beginning with the killing of the cow moose using a permit obtained by his wife. Molly McCann, who uses her name from a previous marriage, was with Wooten at the time.

    “He’s still bragging about it in my hometown and after another cop confessed to witnessing the kill, the trooper was ‘investigated’ for over a year and merely given a slap on the wrist,” the e-mail said. “Though he’s out there arresting people today for the same crime!”

    “He threatened to kill his estranged wife’s parent, refused to be transferred to rural Alaska and continued to disparage Natives in words and tone, he continues to harass and intimidate his ex. — even after being slapped with a restraining order that was lifted when his supervisors intervened,” the e-mail said. “He threatens to always be able to come out on top because he’s ‘got the badge’, etc. etc. etc.)”

    Palin wrote that the Wooten matter had contributed to “the erosion of faith Alaskans should have in their law enforcement officials.” She concluded by saying the e-mail was “just my opinion.”

  142. Birdgal, yes, indeed – we have a 1-party system all lined up behind BO they are his “interests.”

  143. Woman Democrats strike back against Sarah Palin
    h t t p : / / http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/04/sarahpalin.republicans20081
    ———————————-

    This is pretty silly. As a man, I always want tough and intelligent woman politician to be president. That’s exactly why I was so attracted to Thatcher, Clinton, and now Palin regardless of their different ideologies.

    I don’t have much stomach for the other so-called ‘women’ politicians in both parties…

  144. Neetabug,

    WOW! Those stats are amazing!

    BTW, callers into talk shows today say they heard CHEERING from their neighbors apartments during the Palin speech and it was so loud it could be heard on the street.

  145. A-Rod,

    It’s a shame Hillary wasn’t on the ticket — she would’ve destroyed Palin. Still, the louder the media’s smears grew, the more I saw myself defending a women I rarely agree with. Funny how things work.

    McCain/Palin ’08

  146. The curse continues:

    Kilpatrick indicted and slapped with a 6 month prison sentence.

    Jesse Jackson hospitalized with severe stomach pain.

  147. I got chased out of the room for cheering too loudly during Palin’s speech last night. If I recall, my wife accused me of “cackling”. I think the final straw was when I keeled over laughing that the, “when the styrofoam columns have been returned to some studio lot……”

  148. I can’t even get a single Obama supporter to look at that Lynnette Long stuff. Not even my friends who are Obama supporters, and who I’d always thought were very rational people. They won’t even look…just declare it an Obama smear campaign.

    Unreal.

  149. basil, Jesse Jr or Sr? Because I still have a little respect for Sr. JJ Jr is a bloviating loathesome toad.

  150. h t t p : / / community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2147051&GID=118

    Alaska’s Luxury Jet
    In her speech at the Republican National Convention, Gov. Palin makes reference to former Gov. Murkowski’s luxury jet, which she got rid of after taking office. “That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.” Take an inside tour of that jet before it was sold. (Video taken: Feb. 13, 2007)

  151. hwc,

    LMAO!
    A couple of callers into talk radio said their landlord knocked on their door telling them to quiet down, thinkuing the occupants were hollering for the baseball game.

    Turns out they were cheering Palin. 😀
    Last time i did any cheering was when HRC was kicking butt in WVa, KY and PR.

  152. Bambi keeps trotting out female supporters all OVER the news, harping on how Palin is bad for women, and “women won’t vote on gender”.

    Yep, they are scared. Bad.

  153. Idunn…

    it amazes me that these folks who swear Obama is the new politician refuse to look at the FACTS. All I can say is it is up to the adults in the room to make sure these hucksters do not gain control of the Government, or caucus fraud will be “the good old days”

    count on it

  154. I agree Hillary is a very formidable debater, and her mastery of policies is perhaps far superb than Palin for the time being.

    I’ll be very interested to see how Palin will perform in debate and interviews. She seems to be very good in interviews, but her knowledge is very narrow, mostly focused on energy… We’ll see if she’s a quick learner.

  155. h4t

    JJ senior. He seems to be recovering.

    Here’s the link or check Drudge, RH column..

    apnews.myway.com/article/20080904/D930009G1

  156. Kostner: Those democratic? women are pathetic. Governor Palin is NOT an empty suit, by any stretch of the imagination. Those women need to look in the mirror. The democrats have turned me completely off, by their hypocrisy, lies, and corruption.

  157. it amazes me that these folks who swear Obama is the new politician refuse to look at the FACTS. All I can say is it is up to the adults in the room to make sure these hucksters do not gain control of the Government, or caucus fraud will be “the good old days”

    Which is the main reason I’m voting McCain. Sarah Palin being a woman is a bonus, but it has absolutely nothing to do with why I’m voting the way I’m voting.

  158. I want the entire Democratic party held accountible for what was allowed to go on in this election.

    How do I do that? I vote McCain.

  159. Shepard Smith on Fox just reported the latest Nielsen figures. Approximately 37 million households watched Palin last night.

  160. Who Vetted Obama?
    By Cliff Kincaid
    September 3, 2008

    The Washington Post reported that John McCain’s vetting process for picking Governor Sarah Palin included an FBI background check. Other reports dispute this. But when did the FBI investigate Obama? Who vetted him?

    We are living witnesses to an incredible media double standard, whereby a Republican vice-presidential candidate’s personal life is being torn apart, while the Democratic presidential candidate continues to get a free ride. Obama has a 30 year history of associating with unsavory characters, beginning with communist Frank Marshall Davis and continuing with Jeremiah Wright and communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, which should disqualify him from getting a security clearance in the government that he wants to run.

    But the media would rather talk about Republicans and sex.

    The leftist DailyKos website started digging into Palin’s past and claimed that her fifth child wasn’t really hers. The charge fell apart when pictures surfaced of the governor pregnant with the child.

    Nevertheless, the media, which have been so quick to ignore questions about Obama’s background, joined in the inquiry into Palin’s private family matters and forced the governor to disclose that one of their daughters is pregnant out of wedlock. This is what passes for investigative reporting these days.

    A daughter’s pregnancy, of course, has nothing to do with whether Palin is fit for the job of vice-president or even president and is entitled to a security clearance. But one’s associations with communists who hate the United States might emerge as a cause for concern.

    It is worth noting that the DailyKos site is the same site that a liberal blogger named Lee Stranahan says banned his comments about Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards needing to answer reports that he had had an extramarital affair. Those reports, which came from the “tabloid” National Enquirer and not from any “respectable” major media outlet, turned out to be true.

    It also turns out that the DailyKos got the leak from the Obama campaign of the candidate’s alleged birth certificate, an announcement intended to put to rest all of the questions about whether Obama is a natural born citizen and passes the basic constitutional requirement to be president. Is the document real? I have not seen any investigative reporters from the major media assigned to this story. Instead, they’re sniffing around Palin’s family, which is something they had no desire to do while John Edwards was cheating on his cancer-stricken wife.

    In contrast to the Palin story, which will probably continue for weeks, the Obama birth certificate controversy has been left alone by the major media. They have simply assumed – because they favor his candidacy – that Obama, with a history of being moved from country to country under different names, is a legitimate U.S. citizen. A lawsuit has been filed challenging Obama’s qualifications to be president and some bloggers say the birth certificate is a fraud. But it’s not an issue for the major media. They would rather examine photos of Bristol Palin’s tummy.

    An FBI investigation of Obama might get at the truth about the Democratic candidate. But an FBI background check is something that the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party has not been forced to undergo. How many people even know that?

    But whether the FBI investigated Palin is now becoming a controversy.

    In contrast to the focus on Palin and her family, the Post on August 24 ran a 10,000-word piece about Barack Obama’s growing-up years in Hawaii that completely ignored the role of his acknowledged mentor, communist Frank Marshall Davis. There was not one word devoted to an identified communist, who also stands accused of drug use, alcohol abuse, and child molesting, being in intimate contact with the Democratic presidential nominee for about nine years of his young life.

    The author of that Post story, David Maraniss, told us that he didn’t think Frank Marshall Davis was worth even one mention in that 10,000-word story. He even said that Obama’s own book was incorrect in ascribing a significant role to Davis in mentoring the candidate. As the facts show, Davis became Obama’s father-figure when his real father abandoned the family. The mystery is why Obama only referred to Davis as “Frank” in his book and concealed his true identity. But the Post doesn’t want its readers to know anything about it. But we do have a right to know that Bristol Palin is pregnant.

    It will be coming out that Obama’s mentor, Davis, was the subject of an FBI investigation for 19 years and that his FBI file is 600 pages long. Davis was included in the FBI’s “security index,” meaning that he could be arrested and detained in the event of a national security emergency. But the young person he sent off to college, who would admittedly attend socialist conferences and pick Marxist professors as his friends, doesn’t have to undergo an FBI background check and will run the FBI should he become president.

    In contrast to the coverage of Palin, the major media have not highlighted that, for all of his “experience” in foreign affairs, Senator Joseph Biden, the Democratic vice-presidential candidate, is an exposed and admitted plagiarist. I have watched countless hours of coverage of the campaign on the cable and broadcast networks and haven’t seen one detailed story about Biden’s history of plagiarism.

    But can you imagine the outcry if it came out that Palin, who graduated from college in journalism and became a sportscaster, had been caught plagiarizing?

    Meanwhile, the Obama campaign is already claiming to have found a skeleton in Palin’s closet. An Obama spokesman, Marak Bubriski, charged that Palin once supported Pat Buchanan for president because she was spotted years ago wearing a Pat Buchanan button. And since Buchanan has been charged by some with being a “Nazi sympathizer,” that means that Palin is tainted and has to explain herself. Buchanan, a commentator on MSNBC and columnist, has exposed this as nonsense. But he is not the main target, of course. It is Palin and McCain. It is a campaign dirty trick designed to smear the Republican ticket and hurt its chances with Jewish voters.

    Assuming that this is a legitimate topic, when will Obama explain his association with a Moscow-line Communist for nine years of his life? And his failure to come clean about that relationship in his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father? This seems to be more serious than wearing a button.

    For the record, it is reported that Palin actually supported Steve Forbes and wore the Buchanan button as a courtesy to the candidate when he visited Alaska. In a related development, pro-Israel bloggers claim to have seen photos and video of an Israeli flag on Palin’s left lapel and an Israeli flag in her office. So it would appear that she is a supporter of Israel, the exact opposite of what the Obama campaign was trying to imply. Now that this is out of the way, how will Obama explain Davis? Or will he ever be asked to?

    For its part, the Washington Post has assigned at least two reporters to dig up dirt on Palin. One controversy is that Palin is under investigation for trying to fire a state trooper who threatened members of her family. On two straight days, August 30 and 31, Post reporters James V. Grimaldi and Kimberly Kindy authored articles about whether this trooper should have been fired or not, and what role Palin played in the controversy.

    Since trying to fire a trooper who threatened your family doesn’t strike most people as improper or illegal, the Post now seems to be taking a new direction. The Tuesday paper carries a page one story about how, when Palin was mayor of a town in Alaska, she sought federal grants.

    Tomorrow it will be something else.

    McCain has a blogger, Michael Goldfarb, (web site) who is supposed to be an attack dog when it comes to media misdeeds. He calls a report by Elisabeth Bumiller of the Times “fiction” and offers her a link to the McCain press line.

    This is said to be tough stuff from the McCain campaign. They obviously don’t understand what they’re up against.

    newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff247.htm

  161. OMG!
    This is from a repub but it’s so beautiful i had to post portions of it. From NQ.

    “As a 42 year old man, I found myself stunned last night as I noticed I was wiping tears off my face. I love my country. But I’ve been worried about it, worried about it in ways that kept me up at night. My party had dissolved around me, overtaken by right-wing zealots who cared not for America, but only for Washington and the almighty dollar.

    Last night, a strong, vibrant, eloquent, fierce, feminine and accomplished woman restored my faith in my country and in my party. Sarah Palin, if she does indeed ascend to the vice-presidency, is the female incarnation of Ronald Reagan for those of us who remember, as children, Reagan.

    But my tears turned to open sobs at the end when John McCain walked out on that stage because I realized that it was his gut feeling, his intuition and his complete lack of ego that led him to giving Sarah Palin to the world. See, it takes an amazingly strong man to choose a woman like Sarah to help him lead. Because you just KNOW that John McCain understands who she is, what she will do and what she means for the country. “You come with me Sarah, I will give you the chance and I will revel in the light that shines from you as you eclipse me, as you move past me and as you captivate this country. Because this isn’t about me, this is about America. You will do great things for this country and I will rest easy in the knowledge that I played a small part in helping your ascent.” I was so proud of John McCain because HE WAS HAPPY FOR HER. Yes, she is almost assuredly going to allow him to become president. But after everything that has happened in this campaign, does anyone honestly think that John McCain is doing this for anything but his country. His joy at being able to mentor this person into the national spotlight is palpable. It is something that you simply do not see in modern politics. It is a unique and stunningly singular moment in American Political History.

  162. I heard it was 38 million. ;-D

    Also heard McCain has to compete against some football game tonight and let’s not forget BO on Fox.

    Will anyone volunteer to watch bill-O?

  163. okay people help me out here… pleeeaaasse…

    i got into it with two people at work today. two men, one straight, one gay. they asked me if i watched palin last night, they were calling her a liar and phoney. i told them i loved her. they started in on the republicans are not for poor people, they dont like gays, they dont like non whites, and they are war mongers…

    they told me sarah lied about the bridge to nowhere, cause they said she may have stopped that, but she got an earmark for a train going to her tiny town…
    they said she is a war monger, and she wants to push her religious agenda…

    i got my talking points down, so i hit them on the ‘i really dont care’, i want to see someone strong, i want someone who is not racist, and a woman is a good start thing. but it was weak…

    HELP ME!

    ADMIN, are you willing to give me some talking points? i know you arent sure yet about what you are going to do… but could you work with me here?

    THANKS…

  164. OMG, Obama campaign is on the news outlets with uncomfortable- sounding women who are so very very VERY insistent that Democratic women can find NOTHING to relate to or admire in Palin. Hockey mom? Stony silence. Working mother? Glare. Self-made politician, mayor? No! CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE! Nothing in common. Nope.

    Zero Zip Nada, I tell you! No No NO! You wimminz have NOTHING IN COMMON!! STFU and ride the train!!!! (Please please please Bambi tell me I did good, I tried, I tried so hard to tell them…)

  165. NOW IT STARTS FOLKS:

    After viewing Palin’s speech, a greater number of respondents across all parties believe that selecting Governor Sarah Palin for vice president will help John McCain’s campaign. Republicans were especially positive about the implications of this pick, nearly three-quarters of whom suggest that this nomination will “definitely help” his campaign. After viewing the speech, 70% Republicans say they will “definitely” vote for the McCain/Palin ticket after viewing Palin’s speech.

    There is a positive change in how independents anticipate voting in the Presidential election after viewing Palin’s speech, with a 9% increase among independents indicating that they will probably or definitely vote for the McCain/Palin ticket after watching the speech.

    Palin’s speech proved to be equally effective in swaying votes for both men and women. Among the independents who watched her speech, respondents who report that they will “probably” or “definitely” vote for McCain increased by 10% across both genders, around 38% of female independents and 36% of their male counterparts.

    http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J6992-Palin/Index.cfm

  166. I must acknowledge. that last night when i saw john mccain walk out on the stage, i thought, oh no, he’s go to do some impromtu speech and steal the spot light. but i was very surprised, that he didnt, he only wanted to give her his approval… and i was surprised… obama would have never done that…

  167. birdgal,

    i discussed those ofcourse, but these people are democrats, that think if we vote republican, we will be screwing the working class, and minorities…

    and lets face it, its what i always thought…

  168. skmf12:

    I just say,

    I am voting for the Party willing to nominate a strong woman for the two highest offices in the country and take a stand against the sexist attacks from the media.”

    When they come back with a bunch of gobbledygook, I say:

    I look forward to day in the future when the Democratic Party is also willing to nominate and support female candidates. Then, I will have the luxury of choosing which most closely matches my views on all of the issues. But, we obviously aren’t there yet.

  169. Skmf: Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

    Personally, I think BO will not help anyone, except his Chicago buddies.

  170. It’s amazing that more democrats don’t recognize how corrupt the democratic party really is, and that the “election” was a selection. They don’t recognize that the roll call vote was a farce, and performed in such a way, as to humiliate Hillary. The nomination was stolen from Hillary.

  171. I just say, “Obama”. The republican party could put up Atilla The Hun, and I’d vote for Atilla before I’d vote for Obama. Why? because with Atilla, at least you’d know what the hell you were getting.

  172. hwc,

    ” look forward to day in the future when the Democratic Party is also willing to nominate and support female candidates. Then, I will have the luxury of choosing which most closely matches my views on all of the issues. But, we obviously aren’t there yet.”
    *************
    THANK YOU

    yes i can just not go anywhere else, i’ll keep it to the woman issue. ofcourse men just think thats insane, but owell… still i would like to convince some men to come on board as well…

  173. I am not worried about what “they” will say. They should have thought of that sooner.

    As they say in Russia, Toughskies Shitskies

  174. birdgal, even if he had barely enough delegates and would have won by a nose anyway, they strong-armed and cheated to give him a bigger count. And why? So Precious wouldn’t LOOK BAD. They scorned and humiliated Hillary, and stomped on her historic accomplishment, just to massage his FUCKING HUMONGOUS EGO.

    And I will never forgive that. NEVER.

  175. okay,

    i just have to get my rap down…
    i’m not trying to defend my position, i thought i should try to bring others onboard. i guess i better pick my fights…

  176. still i would like to convince some men to come on board as well

    I’m a guy.

    I wish I could convince the two yellow dog Democrat women in my family. They both despise Obama. They both know the Democratic Party gave women the okie-doke. They both will vote for Obama and acknowledge that the would probably vote for the Democrats even if Charles Manson were the nominee.

    It’s killing my wife. She is blown away by Sarah. Keeps saying, “Wow, she’s a real fireball”. I just leave them be.

  177. Oh JEEEEZZZZ!

    Obama at a press conference today being asked by a reporter how working as a community organizer is relevant to the presidency!
    LMAO!
    He can barely answer coz he’s so mad!

    i gotta admit, i still don’t get wth a community organizer does.!

  178. More from PC.

    When asked about charges that Palin has been treated in a sexist maneer BO’s respose is:

    “Well, if you want to work the refs it’s their judgment. . . ”

    ooooohhhh . . . he is MAD!!!!!

  179. hwc,

    yeah but what worries me, is if we lose alot of those 18million, cause they are afraid to go repub for a day… and we end up with o…

  180. skmf12:

    Tell them I trust Gov. Sarah Palin and she has a 80% approval rating in Alaska and is a reformer, thinks out the box, has an administration mixed with democrats, independents and republicans.

  181. Woman Democrats strike back against Sarah Palin?

    Again I ask where the hell they were when Hillary was treated like a piece of garbage? Shame on them. This just reeks of hypocrisy!

  182. More from the BO press conference today. (transcribing from radio)

    Boy is he angry, defensive and nervous.

    – Any questions uhhh . . about her work in alaska . . . uhhhh . . . being relevant to her being VP of the US doesn’t make any sense to me

    – She’s got a compelling story but I assume she wants to be treated the same way as guys and so her records should be put under scrutiny!!!!!!!!!

    – I’ve been campaigning for 19 months, she’s been through it for 4 days so far?

  183. Alaska is not the Bible Belt. They are individualists, but not weirdos.

    You DO NOT get a 80 to 90% approval rating in Alaska if you are some batshit crazy wild-eyed religious zealot, as they are trying to paint her.

  184. h4t,

    It’s on hannity. it was taped earlier today either just before or after he did the O’Reilly interview.

    later I will check the archives and see if i can find it. For now i’m just typing as SH plays excerpts.

  185. Rating blowout… Just slightly fewer viewerships than Obama’s speech… Absolutely astonishing considering she’s just running for VP. Most importantly, $5 million more WOMEN tuned in to watch Palin than Obama’s speech. Women will swing the election in the end, and Palin will be great asset to help McCain close gap among women.

    ———————
    Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can give a good speech, and the Republican vice presidential nominee can also draw an audience.

    Nielsen Co. reported this afternoon that an estimated 37 million people watched her address on the three broadcast networks, plus CNN, FOX News Channel, and MSNBC. That’s just 1.1 million shy of the record audience for Barack Obama’s acceptance speech last week, which was carried on four other cable networks as well, Nielsen said.

    And her audience compares to 24 million who tuned in last Wednesday when Senator Joe Biden accepted the Democratic vice presidential nod, and 21 million who watched the GOP convention on Tuesday night.

    Nielsen also noted that 19.5 million women watched Wednesday night, 4.9 million more than a week ago for the Democratic convention.

    PBS, meanwhile, reported that 3.2 million viewers watched its coverage Wednesday night — the second highest viewership during either convention behind only Obama’s acceptance speech, which drew 3.5 million on that network. Its number for Wednesday night was far higher than the 1.9 million on Tuesday night.

    That makes Palin’s total at least 40 million. Obama’s acceptance address drew more than 40 million viewers total.

  186. Isn’t is odd that the #2 on one ticket is being compared to the #1 on the other ticket?

    Shouldn’t they be talking about #1 and #1? In an ideal world, I know, but Palin has changed the dynamics of this race. They are looking for any type of dirt on her. I see it, on other blogs.

  187. la times:

    The “unity’’ convention in Denver is over. But some Hillary Clinton delegates are back home in California stewing over what they describe as pressure from Barack Obama allies to create a false image of overwhelming support for the new Democratic presidential nominee.

    The Clinton delegates say that during the four-day conclave, Obama delegates opposed efforts to schedule a full, 50-state roll call vote that would attest to Clinton’s true support. What happened instead was an abbreviated roll call vote, cut off by Clinton herself so that Obama would be nominated by acclamation.

    As part of that push, some of the Clinton backers grouse, Obama supporters made plain through pointed remarks that the Clinton delegates needed to switch sides and vote for the eventual nominee.

    A fair amount of that happened. The final delegate tally was 3,188.5 for Obama; 1,010.5, Clinton, according to numbers released today by the Democratic National Committee. When the primary season….

    …ended in June, the tally was much closer, with Clinton trailing Obama in delegates by less than a 10% margin.

    Within the huge California delegation, lots of Clinton delegates got with the program. Although she handily won the state’s primary back in February, the California convention vote — as belatedly recorded — was Obama, 273; Clinton, 166.

    Diana Madoshi, a Clinton delegate from Rocklin, Calif., said: “It was sort of phony. We had to show all this unity. Well, if you’re pressing people to get on the same train and they’re not ready, that’s not true unity. The roll call vote should have been genuine. I don’t think it served us by it not being genuine.’’

    Raymond Penko, a Clinton delegate from San Diego who campaigned door-to-door for her, said it was difficult to get Clinton signs onto the floor of Denver’s Pepsi Center. Some of the New York senator’s supporters wound up using roll-up signs that could be tucked away and smuggled into the arena, he said.

    There was even discussion of using body paint to transmit pro-Clinton messages.

    Added Penko: “There was pressure all around to conform to what I would call the old boys club. There was pressure to conform to the unity ticket. As soon as Obama delegates heard that one was a Hillary supporter, they would shun you, tell you to get over it, say ‘Stop being a cry baby. What’s your problem? Don’t you want to win in November?’ ’’

    Both Penko and Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred (shown above) circulated a petition for a full roll call vote. They couldn’t round up enough signatures.

    Allred, a Clinton delegate well-known in Southern California for her public-relations flair, grew frustrated last week with what she saw as efforts to muzzle her and, as The Ticket noted, showed up at a delegation breakfast one morning with a gag made up of restaurant napkins.

    She’s still not happy with what transpired at the Democratic gathering.

    “This was a scripted convention,’’ she said earlier this week. “There really was no room for dissent for Hillary supporters. Not even room for discussion.’’

    — Peter Nicholas

  188. Obama complaining about playing the refs? Now, that’s rich.

    No surprise he’s pissed off. It’s been quite obvious that he hates women, “doncha know, sweetie”.

  189. The new Biden gaffe… Sarah is lieutenant governor of Alaska,

    ———————
    Campaigning in Virginia today, Biden accidentally demoted Palin from governor to lieutenant governor.

    “And the other thing I heard, I heard a very — by the way, I mean this sincerely — a very strong and a very good political speech from a lieutenant governor of Alaska, who I think is going to be very formidable, very formidable… But I was equally impressed by what I didn’t hear, what I didn’t hear in the speech.”

  190. Kostner,

    I read it was because HER speech went on twice as long as scheduled; 40 minutes instead of 20 coz of the prolonged applause?

  191. Jeeeezzz,

    Poor joe. He’s not such a bad guy. I caught him on a couple of morning shows and he spoke VERY highly of Palin. He sounded very sincere.

    BTW, Sean says he ran into Coward in St. Paul and he didn’t look so good. hehehehe.

  192. New CBS poll shows McCain and Bambi tied at 42%, the poll was conducted from Monday to Wednesday….

    Last weekend, it’s Obama 48, McCain 40…

  193. I’m wincing. I repeat, poor Joe. I read in a couple of places he didn’t want the vp slot.

    “But I was equally impressed by what I didn’t hear, what I didn’t hear in the speech.”

    😳

  194. From thongs to T-shirts, it’s Sarah wear
    ‘Our mama beats your Obama’ among the quick creations

    By ELIZABETH BLUEMINK
    ebluemink@adn.com

    (09/03/08 01:58:09)
    Local and Internet-based businesses are cranking out Sarah Palin products — from “Palin Power” maternity T-shirts to “Wonder Palin” thong underwear.

    One Anchorage entrepreneur, Jim Dooley, printed about 700 John McCain/Palin shirts this weekend, delivering the first batch to the Alaska State Fair by 4 p.m. Friday.

    They sold out every day.

    Dooley declined to say how much money he made on the pro-Palin shirts during Alaska’s biggest summer bash.

    But it was enough to “pay for my turkey legs and pork-chop on a stick,” he said.

    Alaska Serigraphics, an Anchorage company, said it will produce pro-Palin T-shirts that will be offered for sale at downtown gift shops, possibly as soon as Friday.

    “Our mama beats your Obama,” reads one of the company’s T-shirt designs.

    The company is also producing pro-Obama T-shirts, noted John Williams, the production manager.

    The buzz over Palin’s selection as McCain’s running mate on Friday has other local businesses and Palin advocates seeing potential dollar signs.

    Trish Houser, the creator of Palintology, an Anchorage-based pro-Palin Web site, has run the site as a personal hobby for two years. She’s considering putting ads on it to generate income for the first time.

    “Oh my gosh, are you kidding me?,” she said Tuesday.

    After Friday’s big news, “I went from 100 hits a day to 10,000 hits per day,” Houser said, adding that she spent about 20 hours keeping the site updated over the Labor Day weekend.

    Houser is mulling over potential Google ads on the site. She’s also talking to a local company about printing up “Palintology” T-shirts for sale in Alaska.

    Alaskans aren’t the only ones cashing in.

    One of the country’s major Web-based T-shirt retailers, Cafe Press, said its members from around the world had created 2,310 Palin-related items for sale by 5:30 a.m. Alaska time on Friday, even before Republican presidential candidate McCain had officially announced Palin as his running mate.

    “It’s fascinating to see how (the sellers) jump onto news items,” said Marc Cowlin, the San Mateo, Calif.-based company’s spokesman. By Tuesday, at least 93,600 items mentioning Palin were for sale on its Web site. But Cowlin didn’t know how many had actually sold.

    Among the items for sale on Cafe Press: Pro-McCain/Palin baby bibs, T-shirts, thong underwear, political signs and bumper stickers.

    Dorene Lorenz, a Seward artist who hawks some of her designs online, didn’t get busy until midnight on Monday.

    By Tuesday morning, she had pro-Palin T-shirts up for sale on the Web site Zazzle.

    “It was purely for entertainment,” Lorenz said, adding that she was disappointed that McCain didn’t pick Mitt Romney as his running mate.

  195. Paula!!!!

    You gotta be kidding!!!!

    BO is claiming Palin’s trying to manipulate the press!!!
    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

    😯

  196. BTW, I find it entirely plausible that the DNC pushed Biden into taking the VP spot. He said months ago he didn’t want to be asked to be VP, and I know he’s perfectly happy in the Senate, where’s he got tons of seniority.

  197. basil9, the “community organizer” line of attack is perfect, and I remember wondering why no one called BHO on it during the primaries. That schmaltzy Obama biography video that aired in Denver was packed with references to Bambi’s golden glory days as a community organizer, as if that was supposed to somehow be impressive. Sure, it’s helped him as a CAMPAIGNER, but there’s a huge difference between campaigning and actually governing. Obama is just one big self-promoting hype machine, as we all know.

    Putting Obama on the defensive is a smart move, because he’s a hot-head and doesn’t respond well to criticism. When he tries to rebut attacks, he either does it weakly (umm, on the one hand, and on the other hand, blah blah), or he does it too forcefully. There’s no middle ground. Also, the vast majority of Obama’s work as a community organizer — according to Obama himself — was organizing church leaders and getting them to help the inner city in Chicago. So think about it — every time Obama is forced to answer, he reminds everyone of his Rev. Wright connections.

    The Obama campaign made a big mistake in Denver by emphasizing his community organizer background, over and over. And now they’ve got to deal with it!

  198. Interesting stat.

    Palins speech carried on only 6 channels while BO’s was carried on 10 and she still attracted almost as many viewers as him.

  199. Exactly, basil9. That’s why it’s so laughable.

    I like Biden, too. He’s a good guy, and I don’t envy the position he’s in right now.

  200. Biden is kind of an old bastard, and he DISGUSTED me with Anita Hill hearings, but he’s like that neighbor that you roll your eyes at but think is okay, too. I can call him names, but I can’t really DESPISE him

  201. skmf12:

    A few days ago, I put up my 20 points “why I could live with McCain for 4 yrs”…actually I put it up when Sarah was announced last friday.
    Use those pointers…..

    I refuse to make my focus on Sarah who I have come to admire more every day….(secretly I am happy to voting for her now since she is awesome)

  202. Potential “First Dude” Todd Palin Speaks at Cindy McCain Tribute
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    ABC News’ Jennifer Duck Reports: You might say Todd Palin was part of the First Wives Club today at the Minneapolis Hilton in “a Tribute to Cindy McCain.”

    Elisabeth Hasselbeck of “The View” was MC at the luncheon and introduced Cindy McCain and Todd Palin as “the next First Lady and future first Second Man.”

    Hasselbeck added, “You better get your game face on because America fell in love with your wife last night.”

    Palin, who is new to the national spotlight, explained in a soft spoken tone that the experience is “unbelievable” and said with a smile, “Is it just me or do things move quick around here? Just a few nights ago I was on the north slope working the night shift and here I am today.”

    “I don’t have to tell you that the Palin family has had quite a week,” Palin added. “You never know what the future has in store for you.”

    “I should’ve asked a few more questions when Sarah joined the PTA,” Palin joked. “When my wife starts talking about reform, corruption and making government work for the American people, it’s best to just move out of the way.”

    Cindy McCain said she was “proud” of her husband’s choice in a running mate.

    “She is tough, tenacious, and takes on the establishment,” the potential First Lady said. “She is someone who understands you don’t have to be a Washingtonian to take on Washington.”

    McCain also joked it was nice not having to worry about wearing the same outfit as the VP nominee’s spouse.

    The Governor of Alaska’s husband has said in the past he prefers the title “First Dude.” And if the Republican’s win the White House it’s possible he would change that title to “Second Dude.”

    Although Former President Bill Clinton liked to refer to himself as “the First Lad” when his wife was campaigning for the Oval Office, Todd Palin would be the first male to play the role of White House spouse.

    Gov. Sarah Palin described her husband last night as “a story all by himself.”

    “He’s a lifelong commercial fisherman, a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska’s North Slope, a proud member of the United Steel Workers’ Union, and world champion snow machine racer,” Palin said in her address to the Republican National Convention Wednesday night.

    “We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he’s still my guy.”

    A hot topic of conversation has been the amount of time Gov. Palin would have for her five children, and soon-to-be grandchild, if the Republicans win the presidential race.

    McCain advisor Carly Fiorina hit this topic head-on at the beginning of the light-hearted luncheon.

    “I’m proud and outraged to have to defend sexist attacks by the media,” Fiorina said. “We women all see it and recognize it and say it for what it is.”

    Other speakers and performers at the luncheon included country singer Clay Walker and actor John Voight.

  203. I think the current situation is putting Hillary into a difficult position. Bambi will definitely want to use her more as surrogate. I sincerely hope Hillary is smart enough to get as far as possible.

    First of all, voters do not vote surrogates. Second, political goodwill can be squandered in just one minute. Hillary can’t be perceived by the media and voters as an attack dog, she will be ridiculed to another ‘jeolous’ also-runners.

    Hillary’s biggest asset is her composure and grace under pressure. To preserve her own political future, she should not, can not , must not lose this.

  204. I believe that in order to have real change in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY is to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket and clean house.

    THROW THOSE BUMS OUT!!!!

    The dems are SEXIST, MYSOGINIST and ARROGANT IDIOTS!!!

    THEY HAVE TAKEN WOMEN SUPPORT FOR GRANTED and treat us as an abuse wife. Gloria ALLRED and the rest of the SO-CALLED FEMMINST have lost their credibility and power.

    They don’t get it!

    They have NO power in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY, they’re being pimped and served by the male elites in their own party…bend over and shut up is what has been told to them. It’s embassarring and sad to see how little respect the democratic women on tv have with their masters….my stomach hurt looking at them.

    Now, look at us…we are free of the bondage that surround our sisters in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY. We stand TALL and STAND UP for our right for all WOMEN and LEAD by EXAMPLE.

    WE OWN OUR VOTES!

    McCain/Palin 08

  205. Maybe Biden is making those gaffes deliberately……
    After all, he can go back to the senate as the chairmen…
    He wanted to be Sec. of state..I hope mcCain wins and makes him one.

  206. Thanks T4H — here’s the full text. Wow:

    ——–
    CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied

    -Sept. 4, 2008 (CBS)

    The presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain is now even at 42 percent to 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. Twelve percent are undecided according to the poll, and one percent said they wouldn’t vote.

    This is in contrast to a poll conducted last weekend, where the Obama-Biden ticket led McCain-Palin by eight points, 48 percent to 40 percent.

    McCain has also closed the enthusiasm gap some with Obama, but it still exists. Fifty-five percent of Obama’s supporters are enthusiastic about their choice, and now so are 35% of McCain’s. Last weekend, just 25 percent of McCain’s supporters were enthusiastic about him, compared to 67 of Obama’s supporters.

    This week’s polling continues to show voters waiting to decide about Sarah Palin (see yesterday’s poll on Palin). But in interviewing done yesterday, 83 percent of registered voters said that spouse and family of a candidate will not affect their votes.

    Other factors within the race and overall opinions of the candidates, however, have remained similar from this weekend.

    Thirty-eight percent say they have a favorable view of Obama, compared 34 percent unfavorable and 27 percent undecided. For McCain, it’s 37 percent favorable, 36 percent unfavorable and 27 percent undecided.

    McCain maintains his large advantage on the likelihood of being an effective commander-in-chief – 46 percent of voters say it is “very likely” McCain would be an effective commander-in-chief, compared to 24 percent who say that about Obama.

    But McCain still has one big deficit to make up — just 44 percent of voters say he understands their needs and problems, compared with 60 percent who say that about Obama.

    In the poll, Obama continues to have a lead with women voters, 43 percent to 38 percent, while McCain has the edge with men, 46 percent to 41 percent. As has been standard in this campaign, voters under age 45 are backing Obama, while older voters are supporting McCain.

    McCain wins the support of married voters and Obama has the backing of voters who are not married. It should be noted, though, that most married voters are older while those who are not married tend to be younger.

    Independents in this poll are divided. In the poll conducted over the weekend, Obama had a six-point advantage with this group, but now the lead is three points, 39 percent to 36 percent.

    The poll also shows that the majority of Clinton supporters continue to support Obama – 67 percent in this poll, up from 58 percent last weekend.

    McCain has seen a similar uptick from white evangelicals since the weekend – 66 percent now, up from 57 percent.

  207. This is the same CBS poll that polls 13% more dems than Republicans, so i’d say McCains in bloody good shape.

  208. Ro be honest, I think the republicans have put all things aside with McCain because i sense they see the danger that is Obama, right now I think the GOP would vote for a rabbit if it kept Obama out of the WH.

    They have finally realised that the man is dangerous.

  209. WOMEN, WE ARE BIGGER THEN WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY thinks of us. Our concerns should NOT be dictated by males and jealous females to support their own ambitions and goals.

    All we’re asking is a fair opportunity of our potential but I see that is NOT going to happen for us as long as the current crop of leadership is in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY.

  210. If McCain and Palin rouse the rural areas out and get them to vote in massive numbers, Obama will not stand a chance.

    Missouri, Penn, Michigan and areas like that will decide this, i think its the rural areas that will kill him. If its a repeat of what happened with Hillary in places like PA and WV and kentucky, Obama can forget it.

  211. I was just at Us Magazine And low there was a survey on Gov. Palin. Headed: After watching her speech do you think she would make a good VP. So far the results are:

    Yes 82.85%

    No 17.15.

    So far there have been 159,206 votes.

    She so hit that out of the park.

  212. Hillbuzz makes me laugh, though this is a serious matter. Here’s one of the current headlines:

    Chris Matthews officially running for Senate in Pennsylvania in 2010. In other news, thousands of people today decide to help Arlen Spector in any way they can.
    Posted by hillbuzz under Uncategorized

    Our strange friendship with Republicans looks like it will indeed extend beyond November 5th in three respects.

    (1) We will work with Republicans in Illinois to do everything we can to defeat SoetorObama when he tries to either keep his Senate seat in 2010, or run for Illinois governor. We’d rather see a Republican Senator or Governor in Illinois than allow this man to remain in office.

    (2) We will work for Arlen Spector to ensure sexist pig Chris Matthews does not win any elected office in his lifetime.

    (3) We will work for whoever challenges Claire McCaskill for her Senate seat in 2012.

    These three people should not hold elected office – and it’s our sincere hope we can mobilize enough Hillary Clinton supporters to make a difference in these races and ensure these three get what’s coming to them.

  213. moon, They probably interviewed more Repubs in this poll, lol.

    Also, almost all of this survey would’ve been done before Palin’s speech, which didn’t start till well after 10 p.m.

  214. lol

    Yes 83.61% 141077 votes

    No 16.39% 27658 voteses lol

    Thats the votes on US Magazine, those numbers are huge.

  215. I just peeked at Daily Kooks, for laughs, and it’s pretty funny over there. Mild panic, masquerading as new-found resolve. As usual, Kos is running around, pontificating about how the netroots is changing politics forever, blah blah blah, and hawking some book he’s written about it, like some snake-oil salesmen.

    The attacks on Palin are bizarre and cringe-worthy: they’re all knee-jerk, personal attacks, which will only help doom Obama.

    I’m sure they hear those poll numbers, closing in on their heels…

  216. I love it – On the worldwide BBC broadcast tonight, Dick Army just described BO “as substantial as water on a plate.”

    Clean, repeatable, easy to remember and directly on point.

  217. “as substantial as water on a plate.”

    could we be witnessing the turn of the media, its possible they may find mcCain and Palin more palatable, maybe Palin is the one they were waiting for, lol.

  218. palin going after obama today-
    The GOP veep candidate settles into the role of attack dog, continues to bash her Democratic opponent while meeting with Republican governors at a Minneapolis museum Thursday.

    Says after the meeting that leading a state means you have to make decisions and not just vote “present.”

    She was indirectly referring to Obama’s days in the Illinois Senate, when he voted “present” dozens of times among the thousands of votes he cast in his eight years there. Permalink
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  219. Well Mr. Obama? Your over 50% sure disappeared quickly.

    Well Mr. Obama? So you have 19 months on the campaign trail as opposed to Palin’s 4 days? Er… I wonder how that equates to having the balls to lead a country? I mean she has been a mayor and you have only been a measly community organizer plus a few days as a senator.

    Well Mr. Obama? You have the media in your pocket. Not sure how much you paid out as a bribe, but if you’re going to accuse Palin of manipulating the media, I’m going to start laughing…

  220. carby, your posts are always so random.

    So Tweety is running for office? There is a God afterall. Just when I thought there was nothing in politics to interest me. Now I have a cause to fight against.

  221. And Mr. Obama, lets not forget about how she has been the governor of a state as well…oops…that is what you keep forgetting…sorry I forgot…

  222. thepage-mccain speech converted to town halllike setting. will not emphasize social conserv issues. more on govt reform, accountability to the people etc…

  223. Palin slams Obama again at first solo event.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrhFOsVwX9jtDyUhy3zKCBVms8tgD93043G80

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Thursday took an immediate swipe at Democratic nominee Barack Obama in her first solo campaign appearance since joining the GOP ticket. The Alaska governor also issued a fund-raising appeal that blamed the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading “misinformation and flat-out lies” about her family and her.

    Palin met with Republican governors Thursday and said afterward that leading a state means you have to make decisions and not just vote “present.”

    “We don’t have a ‘present’ button as governor — we are expected to lead, we are expected to take action and not just vote ‘present,'” said Palin, who is in her first term as Alaska’s governor. “So there’s a big difference, of course, between the executive and legislative branches and our experience.”

    Palin was referring to Obama’s days in the Illinois Senate, when he voted “present” dozens of times among the thousands of votes he cast in his eight years there. The move is common among Illinois lawmakers, but has become a favorite Republican complaint about Obama.

  224. Nice friends there Barry (with video)

    http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=995af012-089b-4b97-8f25-7b64d9c48f53

    Obama: “I want to, first of all, acknowledge your great mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick. Who has been on the front lines doing an outstanding job of gathering together the leadership at every level in Detroit to bring about the kind of renaissance that all of us anticipate for this great city. He is a leader, not just here in Detroit, not just in Michigan, but all across the country people look to him. We know that he is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come. I’m grateful to call him a friend and a colleague and I’m looking forward to a lengthy collaboration in terms of making sure that Detroit does well in the future.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Detroit Economic Club, Detroit, MI, 5/7/07)
    Obama: “I want to, first of all, acknowledge your great mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick. Who has been on the front lines doing an outstanding job of gathering together the leadership at every level in Detroit to bring about the kind of renaissance that all of us anticipate for this great city. He is a leader, not just here in Detroit, not just in Michigan, but all across the country people look to him. We know that he is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come. I’m grateful to call him a friend and a colleague and I’m looking forward to a lengthy collaboration in terms of making sure that Detroit does well in the future.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Detroit Economic Club, Detroit, MI, 5/7/07)

    Obama: “I want to, first of all, acknowledge your great mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick. Who has been on the front lines doing an outstanding job of gathering together the leadership at every level in Detroit to bring about the kind of renaissance that all of us anticipate for this great city. He is a leader, not just here in Detroit, not just in Michigan, but all across the country people look to him. We know that he is going to be doing astounding things for many years to come. I’m grateful to call him a friend and a colleague and I’m looking forward to a lengthy collaboration in terms of making sure that Detroit does well in the future.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Detroit Economic Club, Detroit, MI, 5/7/07)

  225. In January 2006, seventeen months before Obama made these remarks, Kilpatrick was stripped of his special administrative discretion over Detroit city funds because he awarded over $150MM in no-bid contracts to a number of groups and individuals, including his own campaign manager.

    The investigation into those transactions is still ongoing.

  226. I was thinking about this this morning after reading an article by Buchanan called If Obama Loses. Here are my thoughts on it.
    ————————————————
    The powers that be have done a grave disservice to America by framing this election as a contest between racial justice and our racist past. In doing so they have induced Black America in large numbers to embrace the Obama candidacy and Europeans plus the Third World to see it as a way for America to achieve a form of redemption. The fundamental problem with this construct is that Obama himself has few qualifications for the job, terrorist associates and questionable core beliefs. Furthermore, he is a human gaff machine with little understanding of the forces moving the world. Finally, he is not the kind of leader the nation needs at a time like this when we are faced with two wars, and a sinking economy. Therefore, the totalitarian attempt to promote his candidacy has created a zero sum game as follows: if we elect an unqualified candidate like Obama then it may prove to be a disaster for the country; whereas if we reject him because of it there will be widespread disillusion, recriminations and civil disorder. Thus, either way it is a losing proposition for the country. The people who framed the election in these terms must be held morally responsible for the consequences. If they felt it was important enough to elect a black man to move our nation past its racist past then it was incumbent upon them to nominate a qualified one like Colin Powell. But practical thinking has never been their strong suit.

  227. McCaskill is up for reelection in 2012 is she? I am only 14 miles from the MO border, stupidly supported her in 2006, will expend equal amt of time and $$ to make her a MO memory.

  228. You mean the Obama campaign touts Obama’s two years as community organizer as great preparation for the Presidency?! Now I am laughing my leg off.

    Both Rudy Giuliani and Gov. Sarah Palin reserved some of their harshest lines last night to mock Barack Obama’s years working as a community organizer in Chicago, with Palin saying that it resembled her work as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, except that as a mayor “you have actual responsibilities.”

    The attacks may have been inevitable, given how much emphasis the Obama campaign has placed on that part of his resume. The campaign’s constant touting of Obama’s accomplishments as a community organizer has always been somewhat at odds with Obama’s own account in his 1995 memoir, (THE PUNCHLINE) in which he makes clear how frustrating and relatively unproductive the experience actually was.

    Obama was an organizer from roughly age 24 to 26 (so only 2 years of it)– after he graduated from Columbia University but before he went to Harvard Law School

  229. I haveta confess (don’t shot me) that I’m beginning to feel sorry for BO. I don’t think the dem fiasco is entirely his fault. I do think he’s been entirely (although willingly) manipulated, manufactured and directed by Deaniac, Brazille, Kennedy, Kerry, etc.

    Something about him reminds me of a naïve young woman who sees an ad for actress and goes to audition thinking she’s going to be a star only to end up on the mean streets of LA.

    I hope he loses the GE and then goes back to the senate where he can hone his skills and develop and expand his world-view. He might be ready to run again in another 8 years or so.

    As Judge Judy says, he’s just not fully cooked, yet.

  230. Our strange friendship with Republicans looks like it will indeed extend beyond November 5th in three respects.

    (1) We will work with Republicans in Illinois to do everything we can to defeat SoetorObama when he tries to either keep his Senate seat in 2010, or run for Illinois governor. We’d rather see a Republican Senator or Governor in Illinois than allow this man to remain in office.

    (2) We will work for Arlen Spector to ensure sexist pig Chris Matthews does not win any elected office in his lifetime.
    At this rate, we may not need to. Obama supporters are dead, dying or being thrown out of office.

    At

    (3) We will work for whoever challenges Claire McCaskill for her Senate seat in 2012.

    These three people should not hold elected office – and it’s our sincere hope we can mobilize enough Hillary Clinton supporters to make a difference in these races and ensure these three get what’s coming to them

  231. Basil are you nuts, the guy is a lying cheating nasty fraud who is self serving. He deserves nothing but being sacked and fired.

  232. Obama, this will really piss off his base, MAJOR FLIP FLIOP

    The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News.

    As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. Today, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.

    “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”

    Hilarious, the guy will say anything.

  233. GETTING OUT OF HELPING PEOPLE WHO WON’T HELP THEMSELVES:

    kostner Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I think the current situation is putting Hillary into a difficult position. Bambi will definitely want to use her more as surrogate. I sincerely hope Hillary is smart enough to get as far as possible.
    &&&&&

    Excuses Hillary can use to get out of rescuing Obama sorry arse:

    * I have a dental appointment, every day for the next 62 days.
    * I’m not a good surrogate for this particular audience, I’m “too divisive”
    * Chelsea’s baby sitter didn’t show up
    * I can’t leave Bill alone for too long, you know the story…
    * I’ve got obligations to help “someone” gear up for, um, this “thing”, in 2012…
    * you wouldn’t believe how much dusting the place needs while I was on the campaign trail for all those months
    * Betty is vacationing, and asked me to look in on Socks.

  234. Obama is in major doodoo after this major flipflop, he just admitted McCain was right all along. I’m pissing myself laughing. McCain has him by the balls now.

  235. Got two wonderful autographs for our girl last evening from Peggy Whitson, NASA Commander, Expedition 16. One says ‘for Hillary, Thanks for supporting NASA [signature].

    She wanted to be an astronaut…glad she ended up working for us instead.

  236. Do you guys here that 3AM phone call ringing?

    Uh, Hillary? Sorry to wake you, but uh, the RNC is picking on me.

  237. HERESY:

    basil9 Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    I haveta confess (don’t shot me) that I’m beginning to feel sorry for BO. I don’t think the dem fiasco is entirely his fault.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    The DNC were his patsies. He used ruthless means to start his winning streak. He is a fasc*st. I have no sympathy for Hitl*r. The has their own special place in Hell, but Obama has priority seating on that flight.

  238. The O’reilly interview tonight, Obama has just dropped himself in the shit.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/

    I mean this is a 180 degree reversal, the dem base is going to flip out.

  239. Thinking Obama’s not all too blame?
    Next week contemplating voting for him?
    By October, why the heck not, an Obama yard sign?

    Basil, sorry if we’re piling on too hard, and your sympathy shows you to be a reflective individual. But ya gotta know that nothing could push our “button” more.

  240. basil dearest.

    I won’t shoot you.

    Now get up from your workstation and go walk the birdies. They don’t need it, but you do.

    Luv, tweety Emjay

  241. basil, it’s a tough crowd here. But at least you weren’t accused of being an Obama supporter.

    Digressing…

    I heard on my local radio station (hosted by Billy Bush) last night that the Editor of Us Weekly is a big Obama supporter. The short segment was about celebrity rags that you should or shouldn’t be this week.

    Anyways, as they were previewing all the rags, the reviewer said that all of the magazines had Sarah Palin on the cover. People Mag had the most objective story, whereas Us Weekly had on its cover that Palin was a liar.

  242. basil9 Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    I haveta confess (don’t shot me) that I’m beginning to feel sorry for BO. I don’t think the dem fiasco is entirely his fault.

    While I don’t feel sorry for BHO, I do understand your compassion…thats what sets us apart from them!!

  243. # debbie Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    hahaha rgb44hrc

    let me add

    all my pantsuits are at the cleaners
    my throat is sore and I can’t cackle
    &&&&&&&&&

    Can’t cackle. Nice burn, Deb. :^)

  244. moonpluto,
    What can I say? Guess i can’t stand to see anyone suffer too much (except for the Mountain Yeti) and i do think he knows he’s in way over his head.
    He is a smart guy and he let greed, ambition and impatience get the best of him.
    He deserves to lose and lose big and then spend a decade or 2 mulling over his mistakes and improving his
    resume. I just think he may have a conscience underneath all that arrogance butaybe it’s just wishful thinking.

    McCALIN ’08 and HRC 20012!

  245. Obama’s big flip-flop today is another nail in the coffin. The Republicans will crush him with this. They had similar ammo with Kerry and it proved to be lethal. Appearing indecisive as CIC isn’t really something a candidate can overcome.

    It’s amazing how off his game Obama is. The GOP convention has him lashing out and trying to re-calibrate his message, which is idiotic. He’s lost his nerve. Some free advice to Obama (why am I even giving this? lol) — dude, it’s a CHANGE election. Every time you start talking about the surge, or Palin’s experience level, you’re way off message.

  246. Hillary’s was great in her appearance with O’Reilly and unfortuneately for the bots, Obama is going to come across as looking clueless on everything from taxes to foreign affairs.

  247. Basil: He made the choice to do this. He has been climbing the ladder, does not have a conscience, has poor judgement (obviously), is arrogant, and narcissistic. He deserves every bit of what he is getting (if it is bad). Hopefully, his chickens are coming home to roost. Baaaaawk, Baaaaawk, Baaaaawk!

  248. emjay,

    They’re doing fly-bys and practicing landings as I type. hehehehe.

    I know, I know. I’m a pushover but something about his tone of voice today got to me.

    He’s so unevolved. OK. I’m over it, now.

  249. If O-man would have spent some apprenticeship time, in 8 years, we probably all would have gotten behind him. Or if he would have won the nomination fair and square, at least some of us would have “gotten over it” (Hillary if she lost fair and square).

    Now that we’ve seen how ruthless he is, he’s blown it. I’ll always oppose him.

    First impressions …

  250. Final numbers are in:

    http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/09/palin-ratings-s.html

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s highly anticipated speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night nearly matched the record-setting numbers of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

    Palin pulled in 37.2 million viewers across broadcast and cable networks, according to Nielsen Media Research.

    That’s 55% higher than Day 3 of the DNC, when her Democratic counterpart, Joe Biden, and President Clinton took the stage (24 million).

    It’s also up a sharp 99% from the Republican convention’s third day in 2004 (18.7 million) and easily bests the numbers viewers attracted by George W. Bush when he accepted the nomination (27.6 million). In fact, it came close to upsetting Obama’s historic address last Thursday — the most-watched convention speech in history (38.4 million viewers).

    Palin’s viewership is up 73% from Tuesday’s RNC tally, when 21.5 million tuned in to see President Bush and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman endorse nominee John McCain. The event also drew more female viewers than Hillary Clinton’s speech last week.

  251. 37.2 million viewers tuned in to watch Gov. Palin’s speech last night. Obama’s camp was in panic mode before her speech. They knew they were in trouble when she was announced as McCain’s VP pick. With the attacks they have been leveling at Palin and now Bambi going on O’Reilly, this election is over.

  252. basil9 Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    moonpluto,
    What can I say? Guess i can’t stand to see anyone suffer too much (except for the Mountain Yeti)
    &&&&&&&&&&

    I’d feel sorrier for the poor mountain yeti. Chased out of his natural range. Misunderstood. And he never gave Hillary the finger “accidentally scratching his cheek”.

    I think they do exist.

    Unfortunately, I know that the Obamanable O-man exists for real, threatening vasts swaths of the Continental U.S.

  253. rgb,

    Hey!!!!! And I was just getting ready to let you know how I was LMAO at your excuses list!
    😉
    So I had a why-can’t-we-just-get-along-moment. Ya know what, once in a while it’s really hard to
    accept how evil some people are.
    Oh well.
    Birdgal, filbert, debbie,
    My brief lapse into wishful delusion has passed. But I still think Axelrod and Brazille are the ringmasters.

  254. Wow, the Palin viewership numbers!

    Plus, I believe she got extremely high positives, from the general public saps-like-us, and the TalkingHead Punditry too.

    TaylorMarsh trying to debunk the story that Palin had to make do with a malfunctioning teleprompter. Poor Taylor, caught in between in a no-man’s land.

  255. NOW, the Kooks want Hillary to save their Messiah?! Maybe the bots can read the writing on the wall….. Maybe Hillary & Bill could just change their phone numbers, or go on a long vacation…… on a another planet, perhaps?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/63223/60928/880/585923

    Where’s Hillary on Palin?????

    by CTReformedRep
    Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 03:40:37 AM PDT

    With Palin claiming to be Hillary’s heir, and blasting Obama, I want to know—Where the Hell is Hillary????

    Am I missing something??? Why don’t I see news clips of her blasting Palin for daring to claim her mantle??

    Where is Hillary clearly pointing out the contrasts between her and Palin on issues like reproductive rights???

    Where is Hillary clearly delineating the difference in experience between her and Palin–the way she was so eager to do between her and Obama??

    Where is Hillary telling her supporters not to be fooled just because McCain picked a woman VP, that if you truly want to see woman’s rights progress and not regress they need to vote for Obama??

    Hillary redeemed herself in my eyes by her, and Bill’s performances at the DNC. If the two of them do not now forcefully come out now and confront Palin, I’ll once again right the two of them off as self centered, opportunists.

    McCain is making a clear play for disaffected Hillary voters, and for them to not gravitate to the GOP she has to be consistently working for Obama to rein them in. She has had since last Friday to confront Palin, and I’ve seen nothing.

    Maybe I’m missing something, but even if she gave a speech somewhere, it’s not enough. Hillary should be on the news constantly confronting Palin on her claims.

    Oh, and Bill needs to be doing the same.

  256. # basil9 Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    My brief lapse into wishful delusion has passed. But I still think Axelrod and Brazille are the ringmasters.
    &&&&&&

    Every person here’s Bad Guy List might be in slightly different orders. Obama, I think, was the W. puppet, and Axlerod is perhaps Cheney. Brazile….I don’t even know what to say.

    “Stop all the hatin’, you Fake Democrats”. Thanks, Donna. You are sooo charming.

  257. basil:”Birdgal, filbert, debbie,
    My brief lapse into wishful delusion has passed. But I still think Axelrod and Brazille are the ringmasters”

    If true, he has been a very willing participant. You forgot to put in Kerry, Daschle, and Kennedy.

  258. DUers saying, what did he go on fox for, why did he say that, he’s going to be crucified.

    lol, told ya dummies.

  259. hillary isnt on the ticket. she is hamstrung on what she can do. if they want hillary to fight then they should have had nsty put her on the ticket. palin is on the gop ticket. hillary isnt.

  260. I think privately Hillary has told bambi, i’ve done my bit, sink or swim.

    I don’t think she’s going to come to his rescue.

  261. September 4th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
    filbertsf Says:

    Our strange friendship with Republicans looks like it will indeed extend beyond November 5th in three respects.

    (1) We will work with Republicans in Illinois to do everything we can to defeat SoetorObama when he tries to either keep his Senate seat in 2010, or run for Illinois governor. We’d rather see a Republican Senator or Governor in Illinois than allow this man to remain in office.
    * * * * * *
    Yes! The IL GOP field, by one estimate:
    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=30852

    And, a local tidbit about our un-favorite stalking horse candidate:
    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=30880

  262. Kingsgrove,

    I may have had a fleeting twinge of pity for the messiah but I don’t wanna see
    HRC anywhere near his sinking ship!

  263. I feel sorry for Bambi in the way I feel sorry for an arrogant teenage boy who thinks he knows everything and get taken apart by his elders. Basically, not a bit.

    And excuse me…is he friggin’ retarded? Hailing the surge?! Now?! I’m no rockstar politician, but even I know you don’t hand your opponent a win like that! You say shit like, “Whether or not the surge was successful isn’t the point…the point is it does nothing to force the Iraqi’s to accept responsibility for their own fate so we can get the hell out of there!” or you pull a Bill Clinton and argue what the definition of the word “is” is. Whatever. But you DON’T hand your opponent a gift wrapped apackage like that. Ever.

    Dumb ass.

  264. The democratic ticket is set and Obama needs to live with his choices. If for any reason something happens and the dems want Hillary on the ticket, she should just say “no thanks, I remember the Walter Mondale fiasco in 2002”

  265. Someone with an account at KOS, please go over there and respond to that diary with:

    Beep. We’re sorry, Senator Clinton is not available to take your call right now. But if you leave your name, number and the nature of your call, we’re sure she’ll be happy to get back with you.

    😉

  266. Not that I want HRC to be on the ticket, but I’m curious why she wasn’t on the ticket. Lots of VP and Presidential Candidates don’t get along, but the marriage is arranged anyways.

    Although I would not have voted for it, I think the Obama/Clinton ticket was unbeatable. DNC are just fools.

  267. A Rasmussen poll states that over half of American voters, 51%, think that the media are trying to hurt Sarah Palin. Twenty-four percent say that media coverage makes them more likely to vote for McCain/Palin. Thirty-nine percent think that Gov. Palin has better experience to be PRESIDENT than Sen. Obama.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama

    It’s too bad that more people didn’t see the media attacks as just that on Hillary Clinton, but at least now, they’re getting it.

  268. Idunn,
    “I feel sorry for Bambi in the way I feel sorry for an arrogant teenage boy who thinks he knows everything and get taken apart by his elders. Basically, not a bit.”

    Me too. The thing with JD teens, though, is you’re usually willing to give them another chance.
    Guess that’s what I meant, that if he spends the next 10 years or so reforming himself I might be willing to give him
    another chance whereas I would never say that about a Hitler or a Stalin or a brazile.

  269. Idunn,

    don’t get MAD. POOR BAMBI HE COULDN’T HELP HIMSELF GIVING IN ABOUT THE SURGE. HE DIDN’T HAVE HIS TELEPROMPTER TO HELP HIM

  270. Idunn Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Someone with an account at KOS, please go over there and respond to that diary with:

    Beep. We’re sorry, Senator Clinton is not available to take your call right now. But if you leave your name, number and the nature of your call, we’re sure she’ll be happy to get back with you.

    you’re as clever as they come

  271. Knowing everything I know about him…no second chances from me. Sorry. Just cause I might feel alittle sorry for you does NOT mean I think you are any more or less capable or worthy or decent. Just means I feel sorry for you.

    Hell, I even feel alittle sorry for Charlie Manson cause he got a bum deal in his childhood. Sure as shit doesn’t mean I’d invite him over to my house for dinner, though.

  272. If you want talking points, try setting a couple of things straight. Obama had the homophobic concert tour. Palin vetoed a bill that would have stripped gays of their rights.

    Palin did NOT accuse Hill of whining. She said that women could not be PERCEIVED as whining.

  273. OK, I’m back. I wanted to share the latest Rasmussen Poll:

    Over half of all American voters think that the media are trying to hurt Sarah Palin. 24% say they are therefore more likely to support McCain/Palin. 39% say that Gov. Palin is better experienced to be PRESIDENT than Sen. Obama:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama

  274. Illinois Underground: Thanks for the links. I liked the one: “Say no to BO, vote for John McCain.

    Too bad about JE (not).

  275. Thanks, basil9,

    But I can’t print the link I want to about the latest Rasmussen Poll, which says that over half (51%) of all American voters think that the media are trying to hurt Sarah Palin; 24% say they are therefore more likely to vote for McCain/Palin; and 39% say that Palin is better experienced to be PRESIDENT than Obama. Wish I could publish the link!

  276. maria, in general, you can’t post the entire link here. What you need to do is just leave out the www or the http

  277. I’m picking up my McCain/Palin yard signs and bumperstickers at the Johnson County Republican headquarters at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow in Iowa City, when they’ll be available. My husband and friends and acquaintances are really chagrined that I’m voting with the party that is willing to put a strong woman on the ticket, so I’m catching a lot of flack. I will come here for support and hope that some of my friends can understand.

  278. Thanks, filbertsf!!

    Here it is without the parts you mentioned:

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama

  279. Idiots don’t realize that Hill can’t save him even if she tried. Every time she appears in public, people are reminded of how STUPID the Dems were, and how BAD she makes him look just by existing and being herself.

  280. I hear alot of diehard liberal dems now crying foul because Palin mocked Obama.

    Hello?! Of course she mocked him! What’s the one thing that always causes the King to trip up? Assaults on his over-inflated ego. Bots don’t like it…dems don’t like it, because deep down they KNOW it’s effective as hell.

    “And the skies will open up…celestial choirs will come down…”

    LMAO!!

  281. I wrote a couple of posts this morning when I read the vitriol and misleading posts on Taylor Marsh. They kept saying that you couldn’t be for Hill and vote for McC/Palin, that it was against women’s interests.

    I think the great writers here, IDunn, H4T, and Admin might like to edit these thoughts written off the top of my head, into a post we can use to rebut O supporters and explain it to the press.

    ——————————————————–
    Voting for McCain is voting against our interests?

    You can vote for a party that has set up an anti-American. elitist, anti-working people faux primary if you like that sort of thing. You can vote for a party that feels it has the right to take your vote and void it or give it to someone else, even if that someone wasn’t even on the ballot. You can vote for a party that can pre-determine the outcome of its election and then ignore the real results. You can vote for a party that, by any rational method, would have a different winner. You can vote for a party that does not intend to change its ways next time.

    I think that such a party is both stupid and corrupt. You can be as nasty as you want about Republicans but first you should want to clean up your own mess.
    If you don’t see the problem, you are part of it.

    Obama is the unearned candidate of his party (among his other glaring faults). McCain is the legitimate candidate of his. That’s the choice we have. And insulting those of us who will not vote for Obama is a really bad strategy because we are growing.

  282. Breaking from Newsmax.com

    Biden: Obama May Bring Criminal Charges Against Bush, Cheney
    Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden said he and presidential hopeful Barack Obama could bring criminal charges against the Bush administration if they are elected in Novembe
    ———————————————
    Where was he when the issue was ripe. The fuckhead never runs out of political stunts. He is like that old groucho marks charater who walks up to you in a zootsuit 10 sizes too big wiht lots of pockets and he had got something in each pocket that you dont want to buy but everytime you say no he says you dont like that well what about this. No trial lawyer is his right mind and no politician worth his salt flails in all directions like this guy does like a dodo bird (not dodd) tying to fly. So now in addition to everything else bambi wants to become the Duke of Toquemada & Grand Inquisitor of Seville or maybe just dickless tracey/

  283. # aNewNEWDEAL Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    obama hopes palin expects to be treated like the “guys”

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp

    ******

    Well, that would be a step up considering how they’ve treated women.

  284. Part 2 —

    ———————————-
    And while so many of you are appalled at those of us abandoning the Democrat party, and saying we cannot be for Hillary and Sarah, you forget there is a fundamental point of agreement between them. It trumps all policy differences.

    If you deprive me of my vote once, you will not get it again. Democrats will have to admit their transgressions and resole to fix them. The best way to bring this about is to ensure that their treasonous arrogance is a loser.

    The end does NOT justify the means.

    This is especially true for women, the last group to get the vote. So I repeat:

    Take my vote and you will never, ever, get the chance to do it again.

  285. Sullivan is on the extreme edge of the assault on Palin – even as Campbell Brown and others have drastically scaled back their attacks on Palin as they realized their allegations were either unfounded, irrelevant, or significant stretches of fact, Sullivan continues to beat the drum. He repeats rumor and innuendo as established truth, but even worse, insists that every tabloidesque rumor be met with immediacy by Palin herself. It’s more than a little pathetic: Andrew Sullivan, once one of the most brilliant wits of the neocon blogosphere, now occupies that darkened zone of the tabloid preacher – the streetcorner pamphleteer who cries to all who will hear, “The Government will not respond to my writings the existence of extraterrestrials among us, and THIS LACK OF DENIAL PROVES DEFINITIVELY THAT THEY ARE HERE!”

    As Jonathan Last blogs at the fantastic Galley Slaves: Sullivan demanded that he be able to inspect Palin’s amniotic fluid or Trig Palin’s placenta in order to determine the “hidden truth” about Palin’s pregnancy. Sullivan posted repeatedly, writing over and over again – with no basis other than his own expertise in photo analysis and the rantings of bloggers and commenters with no reputation for accuracy – that Palin’s pregnancy was a suspect issue that demanded clarification. Was the baby hers? Who was the father? Was it a faked pregnancy? All were questions that Sullivan insisted needed answering.

    In the wake of revelations about Bristol Palin, rendering much of what he argued moot, Sullivan now insists that his continued writings and tabloidesque musings about Trig Palin’s conception and birth aren’t out of bounds at all, merely because the baby exists.

    Presumably, they should put it wherever people put babies to keep them out of the public eye.

    Sullivan’s public descent into rampaging dementia is frightening, and one wonders what it could possibly signify about his relationship with The Atlantic. I have been public for years in my belief that The Atlantic is the best magazine in America, and it has, as others have noted, a brand built on a century of brilliant writers and the best minds of the literati. Today, Sullivan represents a complete downfall of that brand name – embracing fully the worst kind of speculatory writing, based on nothing more than what he sees on television and receives from adoring fans in his inbox.

    Sullivan has had a bizarre series of public loop-de-loops in recent months, primarily motivated by his devout affection for Barack Obama. His insistence on ignoring his own past political views led to a strong back and forth earlier this year, when Pete Wehner – who I know to be a former fan of Sullivan’s writings before the man went nuts – showed how Sullivan’s current claims completely conflicted with everything he’d once written about the war on terror. To which Sullivan, after much ridiculousness in response, could only respond: “I was deceived and feel terrible responsibility for my naivete.”

    Perhaps someday Andrew Sullivan will say he feels deceived by the Andrew Sullivan he is today, and feel terrible responsibility for believing the rantings of the nuttiest members of the online left. But until that day, if it ever comes, he will keep up his courageous quest, insisting that he is just “posing questions,” that he has no bias on this point but a search for hidden, dirty, scandalous truth. He will ask the tough questions, the hard questions, the questions he can ask about medical practice and birth because of his long history as an OB-GYN, an educated nurse, and the handsomest midwife in the tristate area.

    The Atlantic sure is getting what it’s paying for.

  286. Count the votes: obama hopes palin expects to be treated like the “guys”

    Palin has been ELECTED GOVERNOR of a very macho and conservative state. I am sure, she knows how to play with big boys, and win. Her achievements prove that. What a bunch of doofuses, the taliban party has turned into.

  287. obama hopes palin expects to be treated like the “guys”

    Hope Obama expects to be dumped on like one of the “gals”.

  288. obama hopes palin expects to be treated like the “guys”???

    Well then I guess they are going to treat her with kid gloves then since they all think Obamalight walks on water.

    LOL…I can just see it now. McCain’s next ad will say: The surge was a huge success and Obama agrees with me!

  289. skmf12,

    I think that Bill Clinton IS telling us to vote for McCain/Palin, because Obama can’t deliver. He asks whether the voter will vote for candidate X who agrees with you but can’t deliver on anything and candidate Y who only agrees on half of what you believe in and CAN deliver. That sounds to me like Nobama in November. Vote for McCain/Palin.

  290. What was the flip-flop that Obama made?

    And is it interesting that CNN will broadcase Michelle’s live event during the midst of the RNC?

  291. The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News. FLIPPER.

    ——————————————– Another example of the judgment obama is famous for.

  292. So Obama can flipflop about every major thing, but Palin can’t change her mind about the “bridge to nowhere?”

  293. The O’reilly interview tonight, Obama has just dropped himself in the shit.
    _______________________________________
    I sent some good questions to bill for tonight

  294. Just: CNN is the news station for Obama. No, I’m not surprised. Their ratings are low, anyway. Who watches that show anyway??

  295. The response to that one kills it dead in the water is,

    that Biden and Obama both voted and approved that Bridge to Nowhere. They seriously do not want to bring that one up.

    Palin didnt know the whole details of it but when she found out what the earmarked fully entailed she killed it stone dead. You are allowed to do that.

  296. found this comment on another blog:

    Megan interviews Maj. Gen. Eaton on FOX

    Megan: Sir do you believe you can get enough experience to be president while campaigning for president?

    Maj. Gen. Eaton: Megan that is a patently stupid question.

    Megan: Well sir I am asking it because today Barack Obama said that he had been at this campaigning for 19 months and Sarah Palin had only been at it for 4 days so he had a lot more experience to be president.

    Maj. Gen. Eaton: Well Megan I am trying to wrap my mind around this question and you know different people get experience in different ways at different rates but I know that Obama has the personality and judgement to be president.

  297. skmf,

    Hmmmmmm…..
    Bc says How do we turn good intentions into positive changesm? That seems to be the theme of his message.
    Doesn’t sound to me like he’s implying that voting BO is a bad idea but maybe I’m hearing it wrong.

  298. count,

    the interesting part of that quote is “…..and all her records should be scrutinized.”
    👿

    wbboei,
    John Conyers was supposed to have to have spearheaded that years ago but I guess his wife’s
    being investigated by the FBI threw a monkeywrench into that plan.

    i

  299. count,
    “I think she’s got a compelling story, but I assume she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated,” he said. “I’ve been through this 19 months, she’s been through it — what — four days so far?”

    The reporter conveniently left out this part of BO’s comment.
    “She’s got a compelling story but I assume she wants to be treated the same way as guys and so her records should be put under scrutiny!!!!!!!!!”

  300. Not that I want HRC to be on the ticket, but I’m curious why she wasn’t on the ticket.

    Obama was too arrogant to ask her.

  301. If McCain/Palin win the election alot of heads will roll in big media–lots of them. MSNCBC will go out of business.

  302. Maj. Gen. Eaton: Well Megan I am trying to wrap my mind around this question and you know different people get experience in different ways at different rates but I know that Obama has the personality and judgement to be president
    ——————————————–
    I’m General Eaton of the Horse Marines
    I love Barack To Smithereens
    And I Date Young Horses in their teens
    And I Know For Sure What Experiece Means
    Though But A Captain In The Army

    (Note: this is a takeoff on an old barracks ballad of the 19th century; the horse marines is a legendary military unit that never really existed; and the same can be said of barcrack banana).

  303. basil

    If it makes you feel any better, a friend emailed me, giving credit to BO for telling the media to leave Sarah’s family alone…and saying that maybe it was his surrogates who should be blamed.

    To his credit, he did bring up the concept of command responsibility…

    Here is my response to him, w/ ID info removed.
    —————————————–

    I consider BHO directly responsible for everything from my being called a filthy name, a friend being overrun and knocked down at her precinct caucus at Iowa City, one of my delegates being cornered and overwhelmed by FOUR Obamabots at the District convention, the whole Texas debacle, another friend who made a mistake and described her business on the internet, whereupon the bots almost ran her out of business…two were arrested of the 5, no charges as yet…there may never be…right down to the perp walk Hillary was forced to make to the microphone as I described the other night…I owe the thieves and thugs AND their leader nothing.

    And Obama does NOT deserve credit for trying to call off the media – he always manages to be at least a day late and a dollar short- this time 2 1/2 days late…and with Hillary…”I had no idea that was going on.” while he was finally saying something, weeks late. He is not taking, did not and will not take responsibility. That is frightening in someone who wants to be a leader. It goes beyond plausible deniability.

    You are a leader, you and I both know leaders past and present, I have taught leaders-to-be.

    Barack is not a leader, He is a preacher.

    Enough bile for now.

  304. I know…I know..
    Brace yoruself People, Hillary will campaign in little towns for Obama. How do you like that?
    She is absolutely silly. It is ticking me off. She clearly doesn’t believe in Obama. I know and we all know -she hates his guts as much as we do.
    But, still she has said she is at their disposal and they can use her in which ever way they think – which would make Obama win.
    She has gone out of her mind. She anyone has to tell her – she is not on the ticket. Hillary – wake up. You have lost the election. Dems cheated you. You are a loser. Now, go for a holiday and mourn the loss as we are doing.
    I would be very upset if she goes on attack on Palin. I don’t agree one bit with Palin’s policies. But, I hate Obama’s guts and want to see him lose. So – Hillary stay away.

  305. “but I know that Obama has the personality and judgement to be president.”

    Well sir, with all due respect, that is a patently stupid answer!

  306. BTW, it is now common practice to consider the current cycle presidential nominee of any party that party’s “leader.”

  307. Secret, Hillary is not going to attack Palin. And her campaigning for him will hurt him, I think. Every time people see her, it reminds them what an as he was not to choose her.

    Hillary will do what she did at the convention: make such a shining example of a TRUE Democrat, that people look at him and go, “Huh?”

  308. IDunn……….that was gracious but it could use a good edit. Actually, that’s one of my best things but it’s easier if someone else does it when it’s your own work.

    There are so many wonderful writers here that I thought they might like to take the thought and work with it.

  309. Hillary will only criticize the GOP ticket on its policies, should she campaign. She won’t launch any personal attacks.

  310. hillary must speak out against sexism on palin. no? if she campaigns for him its a lie. and mccain willhighlight that again in ads on how hillary feels. and the voters damn well know it.

  311. emjay,
    OUCH!!!!!!!!
    Like i said, it was a passing fancy – I’m especially sensitive to tone coz of being a musician and the sound of his voice did get to me – for a minute or 2 – just long enough for me to post the
    Hillaryis44 hall-of-shame comment for the day.
    Now I’m back to the he-doesn’t-deserve-to-be-taking-up-space-on-the-planet mode.

    Wbboei,
    That is hysterical.

  312. If Hillary does an over supportive role for Obama. She needs to be exposed of how she really feels about Obama by ads from primary. And how she mocked obama about skies will open and celestial choirs will sing. Really she will discredit herself if she over plays her role. If you have to campaign just do the lip service. Don’t over do it. Hillary – just don’t do it – please – we bed you.

  313. secret,

    I agree. She shouldn’t campaign for him and I’m at a loss to figure out why she’s agreed to it.

    Anyone got any answers?

  314. For skfm12: my 20 reasons “living with mccan for 4 yrs….now he also has “smart Palin!!
    —–
    1. Iraq Issue
    – has/had 2 sons in Iraq fighting; made personal sacrifice.
    – no president is a ruler for 100yrs…if he does something stupid, congress would be even more stupider than they are now
    – congress can stop it by stopping full funding – PERIOD!
    – also McCain voted against Bush tax cuts in 2003 saying that at time of war, tax cuts are not needed

    2. Supports stem cell research

    3. supports full immigration plan…fair and balanced; he wrote the initial legislation; he withstood against his own party’s wrath during the summer of 2007.

    4. A respectable CIC; a know quantity. He will defend the country

    5. Fiscal conservative – I happen to like it! Who cares about the others right now.

    6. Judges/SC…well senate better do their work in approval process; ginsberg and others can stay 4 more yrs…they are not that too old.

    7. Abortion…hmm not bothered..worst case it will become a state issue vs. federal issue. we have many moderate pro chocie repubs – like Arnie, Crist, Snows, collins, specter etc

    8. AZ gov will have to appoint a DEM senator to replace him! whoopie we have 1 additional DEM senator that way to work with Hillary!

    9. Reasonable tax plans…i like them

    10. health plan…will give credits ; fine for now…the other plans will take a long time and money to implement anyway..so the senate can start with step…children, automate records etc…

    11. will work with senators and congress as he has always done

    12. Please choose a smart VP….. i think he will…

    13. Strong on national security; I trust him over BO anyday over America’s national security!

    14. Not good on economic issuse like clinton but he can and will take advice and listen

    15. age…no probelm.; he will be less of a burden for future tax payers money when he retires. how great to know that the stupid baby boomers
    and the spoilt youngs ones in this country are forced to respect an ELDER for a CHANGE. TIME FOR RESPECT… no age discominatiuon here!
    IT TAKES A VILLAGE!!!!
    AND EVERY VILLAGE NEEDS AN ELDER!!!!!

    16. supports campaign finance…remember his campaign days when he was broke! He did it cheaply!! He carried his own bags to a commercial, economy priced
    air plane and stated at volunteeer’s house. He also did not accept protection from the Secret service until 6 weeks ago – saved us tax payer a lot of
    money. He is looking after MY tax money!

    17. He will listen to advisors but also be able to make an independent judgement.

    18. Cindy McCain has been working for children a long time here and abroad. They adopted a daughter from Bangladesh – a muslim country – from an orphanage run by Mother Teresa. Cindy and John are great HUMANITARIANS!!!!!! they walk the talk!!!!!!!!

    19: He recognises climate change and global waarming and will things to help combat it.

    20: John Kerry in 2004 thought McCain was a good chocie as his VP…so John Kerry endorsed McCain as someone who can govern this country.

  315. I have some guys here knocking out a wall for me. I asked if they watched Palins speech, they said they had not. One said he did not care for McCain. I told him i was voting for McCain and why. The other one said he was voting for McCain because he could not stand Obama. We started talking about Ayers and all of O’s buddies. Then other one after listening to us, i think we kind of changed his mind.
    I referred him to Hillaryis44 site.

    Mind you these are two young white males in their late twenties.

  316. basil9, Hillary is doing this because she’s a loyal Dem. But it won’t matter. Obama needs to make the sale himself, and if he can’t do it Hillary won’t be able to do it for him.

  317. basil9 Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    I haveta confess (don’t shot me) that I’m beginning to feel sorry for BO. I don’t think the dem fiasco is entirely his fault. I do think he’s been entirely (although willingly) manipulated, manufactured and directed by Deaniac, Brazille, Kennedy, Kerry, etc.

    Something about him reminds me of a naïve young woman who sees an ad for actress and goes to audition thinking she’s going to be a star only to end up on the mean streets of LA.

    I hope he loses the GE and then goes back to the senate where he can hone his skills and develop and expand his world-view. He might be ready to run again in another 8 years or so.

    As Judge Judy says, he’s just not fully cooked, yet.

    ********************************************

    Basil9 …glad to came back to your senses…your kindness would be wasted on O…he knows exactly what he is doing…and he is ruthless…

  318. Idunn:

    Yep…I think they are reading us!!!!!
    I wish I could find some of the phrases/ideas we have all used here first and then we see them on the McCain campaign.

  319. Hillary Clinton is a woman of her word. Despite DNC’s duplicity, despite the betrayals of many of her longtime friends, she kept her word. Whatever her true feelings for Obama might be, she kept her word.

  320. today Rush Limbaugh mentioned that Jonathan Alter of Newsweek is beating the drum for journalists to “do their job” and scrutinize and vet Palin…

    since Jonathan Alter is likely one of BO’s paid “media assets,” and BO is hitting the same talking points – they’ve all been given their marching orders to – vet (and destroy) Palin.

    I think BO is walking into a trap – the more he gets his machine to “vet” Palin, the more it’s underlining how unscrutinized he is. though because he’s all about smoke and mirrors, he might pull it off – when he can’t stand the heat, he deflects it.

  321. Here’s my two cennts worth of this community organiser without specific responsibilitiess as a job:

    -It is usually for a specific project/cause within the community.
    -It is very low paid or mainly voluntary based with funds coming from registered charities.
    -Most people do it as part-time
    -Record keeping is necessary.

    So speak up now obama…or STFU

  322. I thought the funniest line was the “styrofoam Greek columns”.

    I thought perhaps the best line was about the jet, “I put it on EBay”.

    Struggling working people, small business people, and people fed up with the lavish lifestyles of politicians et al. must have loved it. Newbies usually say, “what can I do, the 9 limos were here when I got here.” Not Sarah. Almost like a scene from “Dave”.

  323. you know what bugs me – i’m getting emails from people who used to campaign for Hillary, and some are drinking the kool-aid and even spewing sexist language about Palin when they should know better. I know that we are 25-30% of the PUMAs who will likely vote McCain/Palin – but it is strange to go underground even more so – we went underground as Hillary supporters even when we were 50% of the Democratic voters…

    my guess however is those who were former Hillary supporters have not drunk the strong kool-aid, and some, given the right bombshells dropped on Obama, may just decide to vote “present” when it comes to presidential choice.

  324. Thanks Emjay. We’ll have to get these things out to Obama doubters and others on the fence.

    Then we need to stay organized and immediately after the election, find candidates to run against McCaskill, Obama et al. in the primaries. We need candidates who will run on a “Democrats -never again” platform. No fiddling with votes. No no-tape voting machines. No caucuses. No unfair rules. No sexism, no racism, no homophobia.

    No voting for Dems who won’t stand for reform and stand against corruption.

  325. There is a singularly important difference between Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama.

    Senator McCain is a genuinely nice man. Senator Obama is not.

    There are many more differences, but to me that is the most important one.

  326. Matthews is horrible. He does not belong in the Senate. We have enough blow hards and sexist males. We don’t need anymore.

  327. For me, one of the startest differences between them is that I really believe McCain is an honorable man. Can’t say I think that about Obama. I think he’d sell his own daughters down the river if it satisfied his ambitions.

  328. Count the votes: Some people will vote “present,” but I will vote, even if it is a protest vote. Ever since I saw “Iron Jawed Angels,” my resolve to always vote, is written in stone. Too much suffering, sexism, vitrolic hatred occurred, during the quest for the right to vote for women, to give up that right so readily. I will vote, and I own my vote.

  329. I think the phrase is “obama would pull the plug on a dying mans respirator if he thought it would do him some good”

  330. Big Media is beginning to agree with our immediate, initial reaction to the selection of Palin (what we wrote is here – http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=723 ).

    Politico is now writing this:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13162.html

    Until Wednesday night, many political professionals were whispering that there was a good chance that in picking Sarah Palin as his running mate John McCain had lost the election.

    And some of them thought that with his last-minute, seemingly impulsive selection of a little-known and little-experienced governor he had lost his mind.

    ————————–

    But in the space of one 36-minute speech by Palin, McCain proved that his choice was not a lapse into temporary (or even permanent) insanity. The speech’s political significance goes far beyond the fact that Palin showed herself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote.

    —————————

    Before Wednesday night, McCain was in big trouble when it comes to mobilizing conservative faithful. Now, Palin can help the party organize and turn out the same base of Christian evangelicals, Second Amendment supporters and abortion-rights opponents that proved instrumental to the back-to-back George W. Bush victories.

    ———————————–

    People magazine reporters and bookers for “The View” and “Oprah” will be watching Palin with a lot more interest than they will be watching Joe Biden. In Palin’s own way, her story and rapid rise are as arresting to the mass audience as Obama’s.

    And many voters in these big audiences likely will swoon for a telegenic hockey mom who eats moose she kills herself. You can’t make this stuff up. Her story is made for TV, glossy mags and the big screen.

    A mother of five with a pregnant daughter. A ruggedly handsome husband who drills oil and races snowmobiles. She hunts. She fishes. She runs.

    ————————

    McCain needs Palin to tear into Obama and Biden in speeches, debates and media appearances. She showed she can do it, at least when given time to prep.

    —————

    But she has shown a willingness and talent for tough talk. And it will be harder than usual for Democrats to attack back. Republicans will charge sexism at every turn. They will call women to her side to amplify their case. They will shame the media. Many of these complaints will be unfair — but some of it will probably be effective.

    • Republicans can play identity group politics too

    This brand of politics — voters who support a candidate not because of what that person has done in public life but because of the symbolism of the candidate’s personal story — is a big part of why Obama is the Democratic nominee. With Palin, the GOP showed that it, too, can play this game.

    —————————-

    It is the talk of the hallways, in the convention and nationwide. Women, especially Republican women, were thrilled by the Palin speech. Already, the campaign is reporting a huge surge in fundraising. The bigger question is whether this will translate into a huge surge at the polls. Republicans get clobbered in national elections when it comes to the women’s vote. One way to narrow the gender gap is to juice turnout among your own people. Palin could do that. Another way is to juice turnout among female swing voters.

    That’s still a tall order for Palin, but not the laughable one it was before Wednesday night.

  331. birdgal – me too, i will vote.

    mccain has to walk a fine fine line because he is trying to energize Repubs and Dems and Indies to vote for him.

    when Clinton supporters are saying everything from – I will not vote to maybe McKinney or Nader maybe Obama maybe mcCain..he knows Clintons supporters are soft, and he can peel them away.

  332. Idunn,

    He is very honourable and honest as well.

    It’s easy to add to this list for him. It’s so hard to add anything positive to Obama’s list.

  333. from Admin’s politico.com link:

    “But in the space of one 36-minute speech by Palin, McCain proved that his choice was not a lapse into temporary (or even permanent) insanity. The speech’s political significance goes far beyond the fact that Palin showed herself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote.”

    ********
    it’s amazing that journalists like Ben Smith (hi Ben!) can’t even see how tinged with double standards (read: sexism) his statement is here.

    when he was praising O’Messiah, he never said: “Obama showed himself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote” and reading a teleprompter.

    Sometimes I daydream about confronting some of these journalists and asking them, are they completely blind to how no matter what they have to denigrate a woman’s accomplishments?

  334. Obama on OReilly

    His eyes looks crazy

    also, apparently O’R gets “in depth” with O’Bama over the next several days interviews – Ayres, rezko, etc… He (Obama) came out of the interview today all mad and stuff, so here’s what I think..

    they have set a trap. That he will lie about stuff to Billo and FOX already has the counter proof.

    Obama was so egotistical that he insisted to do the interview today to take away from McCain’s initiative (and he hated not being the center of attention) that he will screw himself in the ass.

  335. I hear a lot of “Roe v Wade would be in jeopardy”.
    Pro-lifers make a mistake, in my pro-choice opinion, in making this the most important thing about a president.

    OTOH, if it is true that O voted against an amendment that would insist that doctors proide medical attention to a failed abortion, BORN infant, that even Boxer supported, that goes beyond what most pro-choicers believe. I would like for O to explain if he did vote against that.

  336. Crap, hubby needs the computer.

    I trust Admin will have some video available for me to view either tonight or tomorrow. We never miss a beat around here. 🙂

  337. All he did was Iraq surge, Some Iran and Afghanistan – in three minutes. With a bit of POK-EE-Stan thrown in.

    Obama lots of “uuuuhhhh, look, look”

    to hard to follow him

    I need a rerun

    that’s all til next week

  338. But in the space of one 36-minute speech by Palin, McCain proved that his choice was not a lapse into temporary (or even permanent) insanity. The speech’s political significance goes far beyond the fact that Palin showed herself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote.
    ———————————————
    Fuhrer bunker mentality at Politico lala land. Q: does barcrack banana write his own speeches or does he read someone elses words? Insanity? Whose? Johns or theirs. They are paid money to write this kind of crap? They do not even now how to damn with faint praise. Utterly disgusting.

  339. He (Obama) came out of the interview today all mad and stuff, so here’s what I think..
    ———————————————-
    Hope so.

    Setting a trap? Lord willing and the creek don’t rise/

    Q. Would that be perchance a rat trap?

  340. Great Fun

    Obama and DNC served today concerning lawsuit questioning his qualifications to be President

    according to Phil Berg.

    I just received confirmation that the DNC and Senator Obama were in fact served today, 09/04/2008. The DNC was served at noon and Senator Obama was served at 1:00 p.m. All Defendants have now been served so the case can proceed.

    Maybe thats why he’s riled up.

  341. I think the phrase is “obama would pull the plug on a dying mans respirator if he thought it would do him some good”
    ———————————————
    or perhaps throw his grandmother under the bus–that works and has the added advantage of being true. Funny, since she was the only stable member of an otherwise dysfuncional family.

  342. Does anyone here believe that Obama’s campaign raised $10 M as a result of Palin’s speech? It was a Yahoo news item about an hour ago.

    Is there a way to get proof of that claim?

    Course I’m still fuming over Bower’s claim of raising $6-10 M in 3 weeks to tackle Hill’s debt.

  343. Emjay – there was very flawed figuring in Bower’s figures. I spoke to FDRJim about it at the time and he was disgusted.

  344. Can hardly wait for the movie that will undoubtedly portray Julia Roberts, another doe-eyed beauty as the Gov. Sarah Palin, the Alaskan version of Erin Brockovich, taking on the corruption in first, Alaska- then the country.

    The next movie, will portray the most important female leader of the modern-day century, the rise (and delay), then meteoric rise of Hillary Rodham Clinton, following the take down of Obama and other corrupt Dems and Republicans by Palin.

    Who do you think would best portray her? I vote for Hillary. She has to be the foremost actress of our time. Who else could get out there on the stump for the enemy except the most compelling artist of all time – out of necessity? The only other person that comes to mind is Bill Clinton. Hill and Bill – my heroine/hero.

    If DNC and BHO served papers for qualifications to be President, can this be called into question NOW? Is that why Guiliani said (about Joe Biden) “I’d get that in writing”…..wouldn’t it be PROLIFIC for this election to be between the Republican ticket and Hillary/? after all? We could only DREAM…………………..

  345. Is it just me or has the CNN convention team men just fallen in love with Palin, they are oohing and aahing.

  346. He probably got a direct $10 million dollar loan indirectly from either Oprah or the Middle-Eastern Auchi. No way his tapped out supporters did that for him to “lick his wounds.”

  347. I was thinking – how in Primaries – BHO made fun of Hillary when she said as a young girl she has gone for hunting with her granddaddy – he said she is speaking like she is Annie oakley – well now I think he is against a real Annie oakley – how do you like that – ha ha – well well – I hope Obama loses – Hope being the operative word.

  348. admin – good poll!

    I actually had an Obot sniff at me yesterday that Palin’s speech didn’t matter, because the only people it would appeal to were the majority of Americans, who are stupid, and redneck, and gun-toting haters.

    Teh stoopid, it buuuuurns.

  349. Hilarious they did a survey poll of Emily’s list members and say US women are turned off by Palin. lol. Thats like asking turkeys do they like Thanksgiving or Xmas.

    52 to Obama, 41 to McCain.

    I’m astounded they got that much, I’d be worried if I was Obama that McCain got 41% amongst that group.

  350. Sarah is taking off with American women.

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/17395508/detail.html

    What Women Want — Palin’s Glasses (Opticians Report Surge In Requests For Palin’s Frames)

    SAN DIEGO — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is not just rocking the political world — she’s creating quite a frenzy for opticians with her signature frames.

    Doug D’Amico said he’s rushing to order Palin’s glasses. The Encinitas optician told NBC 7/39 he’s getting calls from women who want to buy the same glasses worn by Palin during her convention speech Wednesday night.

    “It’s fun,” D’Amico says. “While we stay away from politics, the glasses make a strong professional statement.”

    The plan is to get the glasses in the store sometime Friday.

    D’Amico’s office, Europtics, is located at the Lumberyard Shopping Mall in North County, but it’s not the only store getting calls.

    Reports coming in across the country say that eyewear companies haven’t seen interest in a pair of glasses like this in years. According to USA Today, the U.S. distributor of the frames keeps getting calls from dealers who want to stock the exact shape and style Gov. Palin is wearing.

  351. Bad new Obama’s [as opposed to Good Old] trick through out Primary season is – when he is smashed with bad news – release a good news to lick his wounds and get the news cycle move on. So, this 10M dollar day – is a good news for him – he is outing after he was ripped apart by Palin with a smile on her face. It is pathetic.

  352. filbert,

    Some thoughts of mine about ‘women’s interests’.

    Till we know more, we can’t be sure in which ways Mc/Palin might hurt some interests of some women. Even at a worst case, she’s hardly the most extreme in the anti-sex faction, and her success will draw votes away from the extremists.

    Looking at the more positive interests….

    A Breast-Feeding Vice President…!?

    Some third party did that in 2004 or 2000, as their VP candidate. It seemed ridiculous then. Now it’s happening, and she’s about to get elected….

    After January, flying around to funerals with her husband doing spouse and child-care beside her? This is a whole different glass ceiling than the empty-nest female leaders like Thatcher … or even HIllary. It’s proof that a women still in the child-bearing/caring phase can AT THE SAME TIME handle the highest most demanding job in the world.

    Imo there are more women affected year in and year out by the sort of thing that’s being said about Palin now (should stay home with her baby etc) — than by problems around abortion.

    About contraception before conception, we don’t even know that she’s against it. That group she belongs to seems to be for it. If she’s not for it now, after deailing with the results of NOT using contracepton in her own family, she may start promoting it more.

    As for equal pay, isn’t the disagreement about how long a period one has in which to file? McCain is concerned about frivilous or harrassing suits; he wants some limit rather than none. A matter for negotiation, can be tweaked later.

    On equal pay suits, and environment, and other matters — I worry about Obama either flipping to the other side (as with FISA, offshore drilling, etc) — or giving our side a bad name by letting things get enacted that really don’t work and really do burden people. For instance the sex harrasment laws that were exploited by Paula Jones and others for quite a few years — or tax credits for solar equipment that were abused under Carter.

    We need not just someone advocating our positions but someone who will really work for them — and make them practical and reasonable, not courting backlash.

  353. Bloody hell did anyone else know Cindy McCain flys planes and builds racecars.

    She’s more interesting than i thought.

  354. OMG! I just saw the best biography on Cindy McCain. What a woman! She is getting ready to speak. I can see why she admires and respects Sarah Palin. Two dynamic, independent, and talented women. Maybe, Admin can get the video clip sometime. I was very impressed.

  355. I swear Cindy was almost going to say reform minded moose hunting, pistol packing motherfucker. You can see she likes Sarah.

  356. here is the excerpt on nytimes-very demeaning-female rapid response team. dude-hillary isnt on the ticket! the choice is obama/biden or mccain/palin. hillary isnt going to the whitehouse. inthe end those are the choices. next week will be wild be wild. expect camp mccain to make sure voters are reminded of the real hillary and what she thinks of obama.
    —-
    Obama to Dispatch Female Surrogates
    By PATRICK HEALY and JEFF ZELENY
    ST. PAUL — Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and creating a rapid-response team to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said on Thursday.

    Mrs. Clinton’s campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention last month, will include a forceful response to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday night, Obama aides said.

    With the McCain-Palin team courting undecided female voters, including some who backed Mrs. Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Obama aides say they are counting on not only Mrs. Clinton but also Democratic female governors to criticize their Alaskan counterpart, Ms. Palin — and, by extension, Mr. McCain — including Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

  357. Palin will definitely get all the Le Leche League voters! Those breast feeding moms are fanatical about breast feeding as they should be. My last grandchild was completely breast fed for a few months after birth and she has not been sick for one day. This is amazing.
    The LeLeche League, Moms with special needs kids, alot of mad as hell Hillary voters, that could be enough to put McCain over the top!!

  358. texas 4 hillary,

    i’m sad that hillary is campaigning against us…

    i’m going to lay off hillary, cause i’ve been a bit hard on her, but palin will do what hillary didnt, FIGHT!

    i like my new choice…

  359. skm, please lay off. Hillary fought as hard as she could with ZERO backup from her party – they actually fought AGANST her.

    Just STOP it, okay.

  360. tell that to hillary’s people. the clinton footsoldiers who are treated like shit everyday day say NO to this. we too so many bullets for her, endured a humiliating conv, and she now risks enraging many of her loyalists. these never go well-why? bs hillary ran for 18mos telling us he aint ready. not qualified. again-she si not on this ticket. period. voters know it. its demeaning.

  361. Okay I am going to leave before I tell you people to FUCK OFF with your moaning of what you endured, when you have NO IDEA what she endured and is STILL enduring – so she maybe has a chance at helping this country in the future.

  362. i agree-hillary fought as hard as she could. she backed obama, forcefully endorsed him many times. i think its a trap. team mccain will relish having hillary out there-campaigning for obama. why? gives them yet another chance to rub it in that she isnt on the ticket. she isnt the nom etc…

  363. We’ll have to see, what Hillary has to say. This engagement was planned before the VP announcement. If she sticks to the issues, that is okay, but no undercutting of another woman.

  364. TRe Cindy as pilot: this make the statement she made “The only way to get anyplace in Arazona is by private plane” sound a LOT less “elitist”

    as O tried to portray it.

    Besides, I betch JohnnMac doesn’t have “President” embroidered on the head rest of “his seat” in HIS CAMPAIGN PLANE

  365. hillary 4 texas,

    dont want to hurt you, but if she doesnt fight against what she stood for, she will always be remembered not for the good things, but as obamas tool….

    whether she wants to or not, is not going to be remembered, what part she plays, will follow her…

    you might not like hearing it, but all you have to do is go back over the last 2 weeks on this blog and others, to see what she’s being remember for…

    all i’m saying is, she needs to stop, just as someone said up thread, she has done all they asked, it needs to stop…

  366. From the article:

    Advisers to Mrs. Clinton, who has been on vacation this week, said that she stands ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged not to overestimate the effect she could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.

    Everyone needs to relax. Hillary will stick to issues when she campaigns. Period.

  367. im sure. its all so tiring. she got cheated big time. her party keeps her from the nom. bc of this palin gets to be on the gop ticket. it will be rough. i know why hillary fought obama so hard. and mccain will remind the people of fl why

  368. I love Hillary and Bill just as much as anyone here, but my question for Hillary is when BHO goes down in november does she not risk going down with him? I mean her constituents are divided big time and some like myself feel betrayed each time she cozies up with these thugs
    I know she is in a tough position but somehow I always thought she would stick to her beliefs no matter what
    I guess all politicians are the same Hillary included

  369. well if she hasnt been obamas tool, than what do you call it? hostage?

    that’s my point, she is letting him use her…
    you know what, i’ve had my time letting some f*cking man use me… i know how that’s about, it’s time for hillary to grow some backbone, and get the f*ck out!

    no disrespect to hillary, cause i do love her, but really…

  370. Saying Hillary has no backbone is disrespecting her in my book.

    In that N.Y. Times article, her aides are lowering expectations for how much she’s going to campaign for him. Didn’t anyone else notice that???

  371. skmf: We have NO idea, of the pressures that Hillary must be under. It must be horrible. She has traditional FDR beliefs, which unfortunately, I think the party is throwing under the bus. She has the potential to do a lot of good as a Senator, but if she throws the party under the bus, she is toast. It is a very difficult balancing act.

  372. birdgal
    I guess she has decided to change the party from within, but the only danger i fear for her legacy is that she will be painted with the same brush when bho goes down in november how will she pivot back to the fdr beliefs who will listen?

  373. Why are some of you so sure Hillary is going to attack Palin personally and not just on policy differences?

    Policy differences are fair game in my opinion.

  374. If McCain wins the presidency, I can easily see Hillary crossing the aisle and working with him on various joint measures.

    I can see Obama slinking away to sulk.

  375. Exactly, JanH. She won’t go there. Remember, her speech at the DNC was about policies and issues. She won’t waver from that.

  376. If McCain gets in, special needs children will have an advocate in the WH. With Cindy’s background in Special Ed. and Gov. Palin’s special needs child, it will be a priority. I can it happening.

  377. Okay guys – cool off

    I am as conflicted as you are about Hillary’s role in BHO campaign. Everyone will get irritated and annoyed at that. Well, she has to stick in the party and so she has to do what she has to. I just wish and hope she will look after her own interest and not go out on a limb for obama. I am sure she won’t. But, let’s not hope she will speak for Sarah Palin – she might obviously criticize her policies. But, I hope she doesn’t go around asking people to vote for BHO passionately. I somehow find that very hard to digest. I love her but I think she should be lukewarm in her campaign.

  378. Paula Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
    What idiot?

    This woman jumped up pulled off her clothes and had another outfit on, couldn’t tell what the writing on it said. They took her out of the convention. Everyone started hollering USA USA

  379. Chaz, hopefully the party will be able to swing back. But this will only happen if BO loses, and the present leadership the taliban party is thrown out. FDR values may be gone. 🙁 She will advocate for the FDR values as a Senator. Her legacy will be tarnished, if she deviates from these values. If she campaigns for Bo, and sticks to the issues, I think she will emerge intact. I hope this is the case.

  380. I’m great, Secret, thank you.

    Here’s the excerpt:

    Advisers to Mrs. Clinton, who has been on vacation this week, said that she stands ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged not to overestimate the effect she could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.

    neeta, When you said idiot, for a second I was thinking you meant McCain, lol.

  381. bird,

    let me be blunt, at this point, i’m glad palin got in the race, if 2012 comes and hillary should run against her, i’ld have to think long and hard about which one i’ld vote for…

    for whatever reason, one caved in, one didnt.
    one stood up, one didnt…

    thats just me…

  382. Hillary’s aides talked about other commitments. Sounds like she’s not making campaigning for Precious a huge priority, lol.

  383. JanH & Paula,

    No one thinks Hillary will attack Sarah Palin personally. Hell she didn’t do that with BHO despite being urged by Mark Penn. So, there is no way she will do that. No doubt about that.
    Policy sure is fair game.
    My question [and so is many others] is why is she doing even that? She doesn’t like Obama. So why? Of course Paula answered that saying she is a Democrat and even in her speech she mentioned the reasons. So, perhaps she has to do that for the party rather than the candidate.

    Whilst I understand that and respect her for doing that. I hope it will be just that. She will speak about policy differences and say my party stands for this and Republicans stand for this. I can agree that. But, if she says Obama is this great guy, obama is God – I cannot stomach that. No one here can – except very few saints here who can understand that and swallow.

    We are against her protecting and speaking up Obama personally. She can speak about party and principles all she wants. We all respect that here. Not Obama. So, when she goes to campaign for Obama – she should make it a party campaign rather than asking votes for Obama personally.

    That would make it easier for us and for her in the long run.

  384. skmf12, Palin has the backing of the entire GOP. Hillary was stabbed in the back by her own “friends” and her party’s establishment. Huge difference.

  385. Bridgal,

    If she campaigns for Bo, and sticks to the issues, I think she will emerge intact. I hope this is the case.

    that is exactly what I am speaking about!! We all think the same.

  386. SECRET, RIGHT ON!

    that is it exactly, thank you!!!!

    if she could do it without, saying those horrid nice things about him, maybe we could stomach it…

  387. skmf: 4 years is in the future. Let’s see what happens. I believe, Hillary has been threatened with her political life and future. That is the only explanation. She is fighting for democracy, and she told us to keep fighting, no matter what. Remember her convention speech? I am not going to judge her, until the election plays itself out. She had ZERO support from the party leadership. I don’t believe, she had any other choice, but to do what she did.

  388. the idiot that jumped up and was escorted out was a Code Pink member. There was one last night too.

    Makes me wonder, although Code Pink members come from all parties.

  389. skmf12,
    I agree with paula on that Sarah Palin has the entire backing of GOP and its women – Hillary had to fight left, right, left – LOL

    Hillary is Hillary – no one can beat that. I don’t support Palin’s principles but hell – I will vote for her. She is gutsy. Most of all – I would love for Obama to lose.

    If he wins – it will take me years to get over that.

    So – let’s not think about Hillary Vs Palin. That is just self-defeating at the moment. We will stand united on defeating Obama. I think that is where we all agree.

  390. Paula,
    I hope she won’t start that now. LOL
    I for one thought her convention speech was good in that – she didn’t praise Obama too much. She didn’t say he is a brilliant this and that…she spoke about herself, her values, dem party. So, hope she sticks to it.

  391. skmf12, Palin has the backing of the entire GOP. Hillary was stabbed in the back by her own “friends” and her party’s establishment. Huge difference.

    Right on!!!

  392. HRC is a fighter, and as we saw with John Lewis, the threats were insurmountable. He caved and told Andrea Mitchell it was harder to switch to BO from Hillary than walking across the Edmond Pettis bridge in Selma. Lewis was beaten to within an inchh of his life…and he said the BO switch was more pressure than that and harder to do.

    BO Campaign threatened his seat in Atlanta. He “went to the dark side”…BO campaign ran someone against him anyway, told him he “didn’t endorse Obama soon enough”

    The persona lost, and Lewis still has his seat, but this is what we are confronted with in the Party of Obama as opposed to the Party of FDR. Hillary wants to live to fight another day, and she knows Obama is toast, I believe. Don’t trash Hillary Clinton here. If you believed in her before, you will believe in her now. Obama is a thug. His wife and friends are thugs and criminals.

    Look at the caucuses. That is what we are up against. That is what HRC is up against.

    NO DOUBT her Senate Seat was threatened badly, or, they had something else to hold over her, and of course, she DI D NOT have the support of the Party “leaders” nor the Media.

    Hillary Clinton will be back.

    Obama will not.

  393. McCain is just class, he may not be a great orator but the man is trustworthy.

    The speech is good, you get a sense of what he’s gonig to do.

  394. OKAY, OKAY,

    i’ll reserve judgement, i promise…
    its the least i can do…
    i will back up, and take it one step at a time.
    right now, its NO OBAMA!

    we can always visit this discussion later, after we see what she does… 😀

  395. mcain is giving a great speech. esp the start-chides his own party for corruption! chides the dems for corruption and doing nothing! talks about working folks and how we need to work together to pull america out of its hole. speaks much of working with dems. says enoguh of on eparty claiming credit for everything. its time for both sides to cut the crap and work for a better country. this will be big with indies and some dems. im impressed. dont agree with some of his policies-but can trust him at least. will know he will work with dems like hillary to get things done even it means country over party.he said he ill buck his party if needed. this is real guts guys.

  396. Seems as if the ‘liberal’ media is going to fight. They still don’t get it as the males proved last night. They couldn’t understand why Gloria Borger and the other female said that ’shrill’ was a bad word.
    ———————————————
    Tired of being fellow traveller? For some reason she is the one mccain leaked confided in before the announcement.

  397. The bit where he talked about torture and them breaking him and his friends saving him, that took guts to admit.

  398. This is pure american passion, this will go well in small town America.

    McCain is doing better than i thought he would.

  399. Still not sure how it will play, it wont bring in young voters, thats a given but McCain is solid, he’s so not a risk.

    The sppech had grit on domestic and foreign issues, well put.

  400. the best line i think from this convention
    was the one on some using change to enhance careers
    and others enhancing careers through change

  401. When Hillary see Hillary’s picture or hear her speak – I fall in love with her all over again. Not that I had ever fallen out of love but – I realise the reasons why I fell in love with her in the first place. She is great!! She is our girl!!

  402. i just cant believe obama rented a stadium to be crowned king, arrogant pig…

    mccain, i can live with, just a ‘guy’…

  403. Betcha “Heart” is thrilled they will be getting a new bunch or Royalites with “Barracuda”

    LOL!

    I have to congratulate McCain. It’s been a long road for him to get here. Perseverance. Never give up in your belief.

    Go John!

  404. Imagine yourself in McCain’s prisoner position. Picture it. Physically destroyed. Mentally tired and scared. (who wouldn’t be) and the PURE GRIT it took to survive that.

    Barky can’t even handle insults.

    Try breaking his arms and throwing him in a tiny dark room for five years.

  405. thats the american way people perseverance, hard work
    lottery winners like obama or opportunists like obama cannot be allowed to prevail.
    Obama does not know what sacrifice is
    call me old fashioned but in the words of the great Hillary clinton paraphrasing of course one speech does not make a president

  406. Eveyone thinks Cindy is a stepford wife. Guess she showed them!

    What has Obama done? What can Obama DO besides play basketball?

  407. I hold tremendous respect for Senator Clinton, but I am not a member of a blind mindless flock of sheep. Once again today I had to deal with the Hillary has gotten over it why can’t you spiel. My response I was for Hillary because I believed she was the best for the country. With her out of the picture I had to examine Sen McCain more closely. And yes I reviewed his senatorial record over the years and I find him most competent. My decision was not made by watching in the tank blurbs on the local news.

  408. see lots of folks havent tuned into the mccain story as obama vs hillary went trhoguh till june. i think those watching mgiht have learned more about mccain the war hero. it very powerful. he comes across honest. main emphasis is on working in a untiy govt for change. i think this is what he means. a bipartisan govt to fix our prbs.

  409. I think John did what he needed to do tonight, though he is no great speaker.

    This is the messgae he gave:

    I love this country with all my heart. Never doubt that – I don’t. I will do my best. The last 8 yrs sucked, and I don’t like him any more than you do. I’ll do better. I will listen to others. I’m here to serve, not hand out favors to rich friends. You deserve more from your public servants. Women rock, and I am comfortable with that. I will defend this country like a papabear. I am not in any hurry to start any wars. I’m old. I’m not fresh. But I’m reliable.

    There is something sort of nice about that. Hillary would have revolutionized this country. But I think I can be okay with Gramps as caretaker for 4 yrs.

  410. Norma
    barracuda now has 2.3 million hits on you tube. don’t know what it was a week ago but all of the posts some + some – are all about palin.

  411. well if it works out right, we will have palin now, and hillary later…

    either way, WOMEN ROCK! this really is historic….

    cripes… what if we get michelle? yuch…

  412. Henry, I have had two folks call me today and ask if I am supporting McCain. I answer simply that I am not supporting Obama. Everything else is on the table. I SAW TOO MUCH FIRST HAND that the DNC does NOT reflect my interest anymore.

    But then they throw Gay Marriage at me! LOL. I’m not even DATING! And besides, MANY republicans are also in support of Civil Rights for same-sex couples. I don’t believe OBAMA will do ANYTHING to advance “gay Rights”

    I think, in time, as with women having the right to vote, and blacks having the right to vote, and many other “social contracts of rights” Gay issues will eventually meld into the status quo. I think it will be harder to get women to the top than it will be for many of these social issues. WOMEN, of ALL COLORS, will always be the um….the last to become equal.

  413. Palin has the backing of the entire GOP. Hillary was stabbed in the back by her own “friends” and her party’s establishment. Huge difference.

    Amen!

    Norma,

    Bravo!

    Henry,

    I very much doubt that Hillary has gotten over anything that happened to her in the democratic primary. I think her pain will be deep and lasting. We on this site are angry and upset at what happened. How do you think she feels. It happened to her personally. She may not show it in public, but I bet she is feeling it in private.jmo

  414. chaz,

    “thats the american way people perseverance, hard work
    lottery winners like obama or opportunists like obama cannot be allowed to prevail.
    Obama does not know what sacrifice is
    call me old fashioned but in the words of the great Hillary clinton paraphrasing of course one speech does not make a president”

    HEY BEAUTIFUL WORDS.

  415. Bluegirl: Obama goes off on a heckler and then click on the first link to watch it. It’s shocking. This is presidential material? I don’t think so, lol.
    ———————————————-
    Then how could he ever handle Putin?

  416. I thnk we need to remember that Obama is no dumbass. He cannot win by his own merits, but he DOES have a Machine to “do what it takes” to win, including all the dirty tricks in the book, including thuggery and fraud. Just look at the Primaries. Look at Alice Palmer.

    Do not underestimate the lengths Obama and the Soros/Dailey/Axelrod machine will go to to disenfranchise many more voters and votes in the GE.

    Obama cannot be trusted.

    We already know that. We are forewarned.

  417. Norma
    I get into the gay argument all the time. What blew me away was that I heard in bambi’s speech he would permit gay couples the right to visit loved ones in the hospital. I did not see the one’s speech just relying on what I found posted. But if that was the case I think he was associating homosexuality with illness. And that pisses me off.

  418. I learned a lot about McCain and his lovely Cindy tonight. I knew some things, but tonight pulled everything together. McCain and Cindy are tough and compassionate people. I think, they would be good for the country, and would not sell us down the river. I certainly don’t agree with all of his policies, but when one weighs the pros and cons, Mc Cain wins hands down. His speech was more than I expected, but I felt weepy at times, because he really, really loves this country. Cindy will be a wonderful First Lady. Palin has a lot of potential. I have voted democratic, my entire adult life, but I will be voting Republican this year. Tonight, solidified this decision, even more than before.

    I would love Hillary, but this year, it is not meant to be. She is my hero.

  419. i wish Hillary would just stop propping up that idiot. Don’t know what they have on her but I will always respect her but her legacy in my mind is diminished every time she trumpets that buffoon.

  420. BTW, Rush has started a rumor that the Dems are trying to dump Biden for Hillary, lol. A little payback for the “dump Palin” movement.

  421. the difference is with McCain and Palin, i have an idea what they are going to do, i still canot fathom out after 9 months what the fuck Obama would do.

  422. The Alaska governor also issued a fund-raising appeal that blamed the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading “misinformation and flat-out lies” about her family and her.
    ———————————————
    If she said that then they have proof Bambi was spoofing the American Public. He directs his campaign manager to launch sexist attacks against Palin and then publicly decries those attacks. If it were me I would expose him for the fraud he is on this issue with a caption that reads CANNOT BE TRUSTED-NO WAY NO HOW!

  423. Henry, I have been out as a gay women for almost 37 years. Times have changed a LOT. I no longer care if anyone knows I am gay, but I do not think I need to tell everyone. I don’t “look gay” particularly (although those with gaydar know) but I think the Gay Community made a HUGE mistake when they wanted to call Gay Marriage “Marriage”…it is a hot button word that I believe set the right back a decade. Many americans lives had gay folks in them. Many more than did not. The insistence upon the WORD “Marriage” brought the zealots and the Bible Belters out in droves. It was a bad choice of WORDS, but they fought over the WORD, because the concept to the right wing was SO entrenched. It the Gay Community had called it ANYTHING ELSE….Civil Unions, Rope Dancing, The Secret Ceremony..>ANYTHING, we would be a lot further ahead.

    Friend just called and said Hillary in the (Tampa) Bay Area on Monday. ABC reported. He wants to go see her. He hates Obama too, has McCain signs up in his yard and a huge Hillary Collection inside! LOL

  424. AA lady called in cspan, said she was a lifelong democrat for 41 years, said she is now changing to republican. says obama is a sham, and mccain is the real thing…

    YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

  425. Unfortunately, I think drilling is in our future, because we need our energy dependence from foreign powers. However, if this is balanced with research and jobs in the “Green Industries,” then it will be worth it. We need to do both, for the future of this country. I think Mc Cain “gets it.” He has been criticized by conservatives for his view on the environment, global warming, and alternative energy sources.

    Bo, I just don’t know, what he stands for. He changes everyday, depending upon the wind. I don’t trust him, but I can place trust in McCain.

  426. I agree with Moon and Birdgal…NO ONE can pin Obama down….nailing Jello to a wall is right. When I bring this up to people and ask “Where does he stand and how do you know (based on FISA, Guns, Abortion, etc.,) they get a blank stare and say well, he is better than the Republicans.

    I thn ask them to do their homework, and tell them I own my vote. At least for now.

  427. Norma, I totally agree with you on the Gay marriage terminology. Pushing it so hard has caused major backlash which has set us back at least a decade, imo.

  428. birdgal, even if he had barely enough delegates and would have won by a nose anyway, they strong-armed and cheated to give him a bigger count. And why? So Precious wouldn’t LOOK BAD. They scorned and humiliated Hillary, and stomped on her historic accomplishment, just to massage his FUCKING HUMONGOUS EGO.

    And I will never forgive that. NEVER.
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    Makes two of us.

  429. this is it. 2 mos to go.
    KEY DATES REMAINING IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CONTESTSeptember 11 — Obama, McCain discuss their views on service and civic engagement at a primetime forum in New York City.

    September 26 — First presidential debate at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Mississippi

    October 2 — Vice presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri

    October 7 — Second Presidential debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee

    October 15 — Third Presidential debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York

    October 16 — Al Smith dinner

    November 4 — Election Day

  430. Norma
    I agree with you. I am 41 and been out since I was 20. I have seen a lot change. Unfortuanately the energy of youth can often be corralled and used against itself. If I remember correctly the issue of gay marriage was huge in the swing state of Ohio ’04.

  431. Britt Hume on Fox was commenting (with the other pundits) how no one could have anticipated the changes in the race over the past two weeks. One astute comment: he said that if Obama loses, the fact that he didn’t pick Hillary as his running mate could be seen as the turning point in the election.

  432. I too hope that Hillary doesn’t go back out on the trail for Obama, I don’t mind her going out for the Senators/Congressman as long as they were the ones that supported her!
    If she does go out for Obama and turns into an attack dog, then I will know they are threatening her, so folks, if she does this it will be our job to make sure the world she is under threat!

  433. I am sure I will be in the minority here, but I would love to see Hillary desist with her support of the selected. Take whatever punches the democratic party has to throw at her and then address her constitunts in New York stating that she will continue to fight but her position has been comprimised and call the pig fuckers out and then ask them for a referendum on if she shoul continue. Imagine the good she could do if she only endorsed those she actually believed in. Never happen.

  434. Folks I liked the RNC convention better, I like to see all that confetti and balloons. That is the way its supposed to look like. I will pass on the rock concert, way of the top when our country is hurting financialy. We know he would definitely overspend when we need to be saving. Obama showed me he can’t handle money, he spend to much money on frivilous bs.

  435. I think Guilliani was right to tell Biden that he should have gotten that veep position in writing first. They could very well tell him to get out because he has too many children to take care of.

    The stupid democrats gave this election to the republicans again. Donna needs to be thrown out of the party. She lost Gore’s, and now Bambi’s. She is a loser!!

  436. Hi Hillfriends…just got thru watching McCain’s speech and it hits me that McCain has the wisdom…and some humility…I think McCain has the ability to make you believe him…whereas…Obama comes across as the ‘cool player’…Obama a player…

    Palin hit it last night…now is not the time for a personal journey (all about – someone – the one’s – self discovery moment and recognition…

    …it is time as McCain is pitching to ‘get down to the basics’

  437. Don’t know if anyone noticed Palin when the balloons dropped. “It’s so beautiful” (or something like that) was what she mouthed.

  438. Dumb question, perhaps?
    But why does Donna Brazille hold any power in the democratic party?Was she elected and if so by whom. And how the hell do we get rid of her.

  439. HWC: I know they would vote for manson if he was the democratic nominee. The question is would these good yellow dogs vote for a democratic nominee who Karl Rove put it office? Because that is what we are talking about here. You might remind them that they can always sit this election out rather than do mortal damage to the party.

  440. BTW, I find it entirely plausible that the DNC pushed Biden into taking the VP spot. He said months ago he didn’t want to be asked to be VP, and I know he’s perfectly happy in the Senate, where’s he got tons of seniority.
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    Brown helmut job

  441. I pray that when Biden is face to face with Palin in a debate that someone yells last call for alcohl during the toughest question. Perhaps our elected officials should be held to the same drug and alcohol testing that we in the real work force have to oblige by.

  442. Henry, no, not elected, but a big player in the Dem Party for a while, including the Chairperson of the Voting Rights Commission (laughable) of the Dem Party.

    She was a big player in her district in Washington with GOTV efforts and always has been involved in minority voting rights efforts. A good cause to be sure, especially when she started, but she has become AS CORRUPT as those she was working against in Disenfranchisement. She learned all the tricks there were and applied them.

  443. Henry,
    Back during the primaries she said on CNN that if the superdelegates decide the nomination that she would resign from the DNC. Well they did and she didn’t. Maybe a petition to get her to honor her pledge.

  444. wbboie, we have BEEN TOLD TO STAY HOME by donna – months ago.

    She is counting on all the mad Democrats to say “Fuck it” and sit it out.

  445. comment at nq:

    “Comment by EightBelles | 2008-09-04 22:45:26

    The CBS evening news with Katie Couric showed a clip of Gov Sarah Palin’s rousing acceptance speech–the part where Palin talks about being proud to be an American in good times and in bad. The clip was followed by Michelle Obama’s “For the first time in my life I’m proud to be an American” buzz killer. The two speeches were as different as day and night. For starters, Sarah Palin looked energized and proud to be tapped for the honor of serving her country as VP, while Michelle Obama came across as bitter and depressed. I was frankly surprised CBS had the chuzpah to roll out this Michelle anything but All American moment. I have to give CBS credit. Could it be the MSM are starting to come out from under the ether?

  446. Norma
    so how do we get rid of her.
    I am still reg’d dem and she does not represent me. however nov 5th i may go I or even repub. as at least I belive the repubs will hear my voice.

  447. rjk, she now said that that was taken out of context.

    Yea, right Donna.

    Just like BO does. I am AFRAID for the reputation of Black Americans with these two in the leadership.

  448. “Could it be the MSM are starting to come out from under the ether?”

    NO

    Henry, I don’t know. She seems to be like a Supreme Court Judge. There for life.

    ALTHOUGH, if she and Obama lose, look for a MAJOR reform in the Taliban Party.

    I thnk McCain is SINCERE in Reform. The “base” hated him with a passion even until Friday last. Donna/Dean/Pelosi idea of reform is to make the Dem Party Black and Young and lead by socialist ideology, IMO

  449. henry Says:

    September 4th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
    AmericanGirl
    don’t know about you but for me HRC as veep would have been adding insult to injury.

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    Henry, as much as I wanted Hill on the ticket to participate in the executive debate, I agree with you…Hillary could have held her own, but with O it is all about glorifying him and how special he is…

    the way the whole dem primary has played out has been so disappointing on top of everything else…

    it could have been so easy Clinton/Obama but no O had to come in and pull a hostile takeover of the Dem party and push the elected prez of his party and his wife aside with no respect, no deference at all…and now the party as most of us know it does not exist…

    …just reading those posting I think at alegre about the stories that went on in Denver with the delegates…the horror stories and total control of DNC by way of Obama is outrageous

  450. I just wonder HOW MANY Americans get ill and cannot stomach watching the “liberal” shows anymore. Had Larry King on for five seconds before I had to turn it back to FOX! Obama someting-or-nuther trashing McCain “I’ll put Obama’s jusgment up against McCain’s anytime”

    BARF.

    LEt’s go ask Rezko and Ayers and Co., what they think…

  451. This election season has blown me away. I didn’t really start getting interested, until last fall, when all the debates were going on. I didn’t know, who BO was (really), so I started watching the debates, when everyone was fresh to me. I watched a few debates, and it seemed like a lot of yelling or speaking above other people. I liked Biden, some of JE, but he seemed so angry. I wasn’t impressed with BO ( I hadn’t heard him give a sermon), but with Hillary, I thought, “Wow, what in the heck is she talking about?” LOL! I have never been a political junkie, like most of the people on this board, so thank you for educating me. By the Iowa debate, I was leaning towards Hillary, and after the New Hampshire debate, I was definitely pulling for her. After that, I was completely sucked in by the entire process. When I heard Bo’s “concession” speech, after New Hampshire, I wasn’t very impressed, because it sounded like a lot of rhetoric, with no substance. I was thoroughly in Hillary’s camp, by that time. As a result of the biased media coverage, I stopped watching cable news station, and when I started watching Fox, for a brief period of time, I felt like I had gone over to the dark side. LOL! I cancelled my subscription to the SF Chronicle, because of their biased coveraged towards BO, and I had received their newspaper for almost 20 years.

    So, for me to even think about voting for McCain, is a leap of faith. I never thought, I would be in this place. The democratic or taliban party has lost their way, and until they find it again, I am gone from it.

    Thank you for this community. It has enriched my political knowledge, and has give me a refuge from the entiltled and arrogant liberal communit.

  452. henry Says:
    don’t know about you but for me HRC as veep would have been adding insult to injury.

    ==============

    Ouch. Don’t get me started on that. 🙁 Thank God she’s escaped it.

  453. rjk
    I remember it well. But I think they have already discounted us and no matter what we write to the dnc they will not do anything. I feel that my vote which was for Senator Clinton was hijacked. She won PA resoundingly and the delegates for her were not heard. My vote should count. My voice should be heard.

    Pumas wrote letter after letter seeking justice. Placated by the greatest miscarriage of a roll call. And now it starts with Palin. The egregious treatment of her family by the media is repugnant. Obviously writing to delegates, officials does nothing. I say we find out every ad in US magazine which printed that outregeous cover of Gov Palin and we write to them. They will respond with a form letter saying that they do large ad buys without knowledge of content. Well I say we say we don’t care women are the largest consumers of household goods/groceries and if you will not listen to our votes you will listen to our wallets. Oh and I’m male.

  454. Riverdaughter is ROCKIN’ on the bad move by Obama of wanting to send Hillary out to fight. Excerpt here, but go read the whole thing:

    This is a career ending move for Obama for countless reasons. Let me enumerate a few:

    !.) Let me get this straight, Sarah-cuda beats you up and steals your lunch money and instead of standing up for yourself, you send out a little note about how she hurt your feelings as a community organizer and you send out another girl to fight your battle. Er, OK. Will you also be sending her out to do business with the Russians, the North Koreans, the health insurance biggies? Because if you need Hillary to do all the fighting on your sorry ass behalf, then maybe she should be nominee.

    2.) Your damn surrogates in the blogosphere have been raking Sarah Palin over the coals for 6 days now. 6 Days! No panty was left unsniffed, no ovary unexamined, no uterus unexplored. You have done the same crotch shot of Sarah Palin in 6 days what took the Republicans 8 years and $40 million dollars to do to Hillary Clinton. And Sarah still kicked you in the junk and gave you a wedgie. And guess what , Barack. We *liked* it.

    3.) It won’t do you a bit of good. We LOVE Hillary Clinton and we want you to treat her with respect. If you send her to Florida to kick in Sarah’s teeth, we will see it as a mark of disrespect for her. She is a brilliant politician and a dedicated public servant, not your personal gladiator.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/drawing-the-line/

  455. Larry King reaaly scraping the barrel now trying to get Dems for his after Republican Convention show. He has Dukakis on now, what a joke him representing the DNC. I will never forget him on that tank trying to look tough, that was almost as funny as Kerry (Elmer Fudd) in his hunting outfit.

  456. so, trash the woman, steal from the woman, do everything you can to destroy her career, her family, her life, her credibility, and the physical her, and then when you are desperate because Sarah Palin is rightfully attacking how you were a vague community organizer, you have her sent out because she can’t say no. I can’t wait for some of these debates with McCain.

  457. LOL! Hillary gives a rather…er…cool answer:

    Advisers to Mrs. Clinton, who has been on vacation this week, said that she stands ready to help the Obama-Biden ticket, but they urged not to overestimate the effect she could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates.

    She has “other commitments” LMAO!

  458. Okay last time
    I promise. Nothing else is working to stop the misogony. Why not a boycott? The adverisers who do placements on Chris Matthew are supporting the behaivor. If ten thousand people say we will not buy your products and get media attention. you can bet your ass the folks at P &G will pay attention.
    Remember the tea party? I f they say we buy blind well then let’s insist that they take a look. 18 million we are.

  459. Obama is whiney little weenie. Why not have Michelle do it? She’s a tough broad. Maybe she could call Gov. Palin a racist. That’d probably work.

  460. hillary is comming to houston to raise money for cong jackson lee on the 21st!!! lee likely will faces priamry opponent in ’10

  461. As bad as the CBS poll is, this one is much worse in that it shows Americans know Big Media is shilling for Obama and that independents are moving rapidly and in big numbers to the Republicans
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    At some point perhaps the overriding question in this election may be whether we really want to live in a media run big business controlled totalitaran state where select the candidates, destroy the candidates and treat the electorate like Pavlovs Dog.

    As flies to wanton boys are we to Gods
    They kill us for their sport

  462. Wbboei – that is a very IMPORTANT question. It goes back to the ultimate propogand of “State Controlled” media, and we are getting REMARKABLY CLOSE with the Obama?Big MEdia cabal. FOX still has their own thing, but they too are not hot on bashing Barky or the “real” news….

    and, the fact that they want to Fairness Doctrine back is one more sign we are losing our information resources of the Fourth Estate. Thank god for the internets.

  463. Henry:

    Advertisers definitely could feel the heat. If Fact, I think that WE SHOULD ALL BOYCOTT US MAGAZINE FROM NOW ON.

  464. I wonder if HRC is coming here to shill for Barky or to promote Senate candidates. Arthinia Joyner, AA State Senator from Tampa is close to Hil and spoke on her behalf at the RBC.

  465. Knew that LKL would start the dialogue trying to make Palin’s comment about community organizers a racist comment, anti-urban, anti-black. Excuse me, as I recall THEY were the ones making fun of small-town mayors. I call THAT anti-rural and anti-white. So there……………….

  466. Obama does not want the damn JOB, he just wants the airplane and the Supastar Preznet Shiznet underoos.

  467. Never have purchased an US magazine, have to admit I bought NE re: JE lovechild. COuldn’t resist. Now that they have something bogus crapola coming out on Palin – will boycott that toilet paper from now on.

  468. Lord God, there is SO MUCH CRAP on the screen on Headline News, you can’t see the picture! Reminds me of that SNL skit where the whole screen gets covered with slugs and crawls and the newscaster cannot be seen

  469. I wqorked with ACORN for about two days when I was 17 doing canvassing in some god forsaken neighborhoods in WAAAAAAY north Atlanta. They would take us out in a van and dump us and we would walk door to door asking for money for some cause. I hated it. They would come back LATE in the day and pick us up and drive us back downtown. Only thing I got was an affair with a married woman who wanted to leave her husband and kids and move in with me! ROFLMAO!

    Now THAT is Community Organizing!

  470. Does anyone else think that Ibama’s hiding behind Hillary’s skirt makes him look even more like a wimp?

    I hope Hillary comes out and sabotages Ibama by praising Palin for her courage in the face of tremendous media bias and relates that to her own campaign. Then praises McCain for being a principled man who served his country with honor and integrity. Then steps down from the podium and goes home.

    I’ll bet that would be the last time he asks for her help 🙂

  471. curiosity
    we are not US mags target audiance. Its young girls. But we can scream and be heard if we call them on placing ads which emphasis feminine beaty with the dismissive and cruel attack on Palin. They will say we buy ads en masse and are not responsible for individual content. To which we respond well I buy for an individual and I am not comfortable buing your product. Big media is not listenning to our dissention. 12/mo for toothpaste multiplied times the modest estimate of 10,000 like minded consumers is 120,000 multipied by the 50 other products the company makes plus the press. they will listen. Why do you think msnbc is running scared. because they may not be taken seriously as journalists. No because Rendell and Stricklands statements have diminished thier ability to sell ad time. Lets show em what we got.

  472. Jeffrey Tubin is an ass and who the hell at CNN decided that he is now a senior political analyst? He should be covering a murder trial somewhere
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    preferably his own

  473. Democrat Hillary Clinton on Thursday rejected John McCain’s Republican convention address, and gave her first damning judgement on his vice-presidential running mate Sarah Palin.

    “To slightly amend my comments from Denver,” the former first lady said in a statement as soon as the Republican nominee finished his speech.

    “No way, No How, No McCain-Palin,” Clinton said, reprising her top applause line from last week’s Democratic convention.

    Clinton said that only Barack Obama, who beat her in the bitter Democratic primary and his running mate Senator Joseph Biden, “offered the new ideas and positive change” that America needed.

    “After listening to all of the speeches this week, I heard nothing that suggests the Republicans are ready to fix the economy for middle class families,” Clinton said.

    She also commented that McCain offered no plan for quality affordable health care for all Americans, to guarantee equal pay for equal work for women, or to “restore our nation’s leadership in a complex world or tackle the myriad of challenges our country faces.”

  474. Obama is whiney little weenie. Why not have Michelle do it? She’s a tough broad. Maybe she could call Gov. Palin a racist. That’d probably work
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    Michelle would be out of her league.

  475. The Economic meme is the talking point for Obama this week

    Economic (employment?) report comes out tomorrow and the Democrats are hoping for dismal figures in light of the stocks drop today.

    The Democrats seem gleeful when the people are hurt. BESIDES, they have held congress for TWO YEARS. What the hellare THEY doing to make a difference.

  476. The Democrats seem gleeful when the people are hurt
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    Good insight. Its why they lose elections. Even barcrack banana who utters the word hope in every sentence has a hard time being positive. A number of people have commented that he is fundamentally a pessimist.

  477. Norma
    noone seems to be acknoweding my cries to boycott those who support the sexism of Big Media. I ask you to remember 10 to 15 years ago when a study was released stating that gays had 80% more disposable income and tended to be higher educated. It was then and only then that advertisers took notice. Will and Grace never a number one show but made a lot of money because of its target audiance.

    I want to scream right now that women if they woke up and realized what thier buying power is the media would be bending over backwords. Hold those who sponsor Chris Matthews, msnbc responsible. If we do not who will?

  478. For those of you who are so angry at Hillary before she has even opened her mouth:

    What would you have her do? What in hell would you have her do?

    Be freaking specific in your answers, then step back and ask yourselves what the fallout would be if she did what YOU want her to do.

    Damm the bunch of you for not doing any forward thinking.

  479. Emjay
    I am not angry with Hillary. I respect her but that respect does not and never will translate into me voting against my conscience.
    I pray she pulls back on her bambi support.
    I believe in my country and I believe Senator Clinton would have been the greatest leader I would have ever known in my life. Nothing would make me happier than for her to say I just need to step away and stand up for the fact that she knows McCain would make a better preident.

  480. Making no friends here, but how can you continually complain about the media without holding the advertisers who supprt accountable.They will claim the buy big and don’t know where an ad is placed. TOO fucking bad find out where your ad goes. Obama is one commercial we have collectively said we are not buying lets let clairol know we are here and we will not be ignored.

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  484. CountTheVotes Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    you know what bugs me – i’m getting emails from people who used to campaign for Hillary, and some are drinking the kool-aid and even spewing sexist language about Palin when they should know better. I know that we are 25-30% of the PUMAs who will likely vote McCain/Palin – but it is strange to go underground even more so – we went underground as Hillary supporters even when we were 50% of the Democratic voters…

    yah. me, too. I’m thinking of de-listing myself from the email list.

    as you guys know from my rants here, I, too, am struggling. I know who I have to vote for, but doesn’t mean I like what I have to do. I have to keep reminding myself, “Hillary 2012, Hillary 2012.”

    it’s very difficult for me so I understand what many of them are going through. for them, it’s not about drinking the koolaid. they don’t care much for Obama, but they’re also very liberal and just can’t bring themselves to vote for McCain/Palin. I think the selection of Palin and her speech yesterday did scare some away. Many of us here and PUMA have our reasons for voting for McCain, but it is a lot to ask of moderate/liberal Dems who are just sick of the GOP.

  485. I got a whining e-mail from David Plouffe and another from Obama saying essentially “Theyre lying about me so send me some money. We have to fight this.”

    I replied essentially, “What’s this ‘we’, kemo sabe?”
    I did say I don’t think Sarah lied but I know you do.

  486. # birdgal Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 1:28 am

    This “democratic” congres has done NOTHING.

    I don’t think that’s true, birdgal. the one thing I hate doing is using the GOP talking points. The Dem Congress is limited by numbers. They simply do not have the number to override Bush’s veto. Plus, the GOP are a bunch of obstructionists.

    Even with all that, the Dems managed to pass the minimum wage hike and the ethics reform. They failed
    in standing up to Bush on the FISA thing and also allowed for the confirmatin of Alito. So in a way, it’s been a mixed bag of both failure and success.
    What I really want to see happening in Nov is a McCain win, but the Dem control of Congress by wide margins. Then, we need not fear when McCain goes crazy.

  487. Henry — twice we protested sexism in the media. I exchanged emails with the president of NBC who asked me to give Imus another chance — I talked him into NOT giving him another chance — he was fired an hour later.

    We did it again and got David Shuster suspended.

    Who do you want to protest this time? (I missed it if you said it) Find another miscreant and we’ll try to do it again.

  488. As for CNN being good, they’ve seen the poll with 51% feel that the media is anti-Sarah. So they nervously try to shush each other….also Fox is beating them all to hell in the ratings.

  489. admin – you’re right, that is still a high tally considering Clinton delegates were bullied and threatened.

    filbertsf – i agree. it is tough to ask democrats to vote for mccain/palin – but i’m trying to understand passionate clinton supporters who are now regurgitating the media’s sexist talking points; it’s like going 100 hrs per hour for clinton and then reversing – i just don’t get it psychologically. I still think many clinton supporters support for BO is soft – i wonder what it’ll take to get them to pull the lever for Mc/Palin – i’m sure the McCain campaign is trying to figure out the same thing.

    ok – i am watching a late repeat of mccain’s speech, and how weird is to hear Karl Rove saying that McCain wants to, and I paraphrase, bring back the truth to the white house – something like that.

  490. # freckles Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    As for CNN being good, they’ve seen the poll with 51% feel that the media is anti-Sarah. So they nervously try to shush each other….also Fox is beating them all to hell in the ratings.

    *****
    The Republicans need to commission more polls on the lack of integrity in journalism, and even those which show which journalists the public thinks are most in the tank for BO.

  491. Norma Desmond – can you organize some Floridians to go to that Rally where Clinton’s supposed to campaign for the Fraud, and hold up signs:

    DO NOT IRON HIS SHIRT

  492. filbertsf – i think it sends a strong message…and it is really for the media – .

    if HRC goes out and campaigns for the fraud and his unDNC posse which undercut our votes and everything we worked for – in TX and elsewhere to Get out the Votes –

    she is embarrassing herself.

  493. No way. I would never advocate anything that would remotely put HRC in a negative light.

    I can see the headlines: “Clinton supporters protests at Clinton’s rally”

  494. filbertsf – sure, they could say that but they’d have to point to the content.

    do not iron his shirt

    says much about Obama as well…that the idiot can’t even fight his own fights.

  495. sorry, I just think it’s a very bad idea. I’ll play and spoil on Obama’s turf, but no way in hell can anyone convince me to do anything that will give HRC bad publicity.

  496. admin
    i want your opinion hillary’s tour for bo? mccain camp will probably run those ads again showing why hillary fought obama so hard. no?

  497. The one thing i remember from CNN last night was they said McCain had arguably more specifics than Obama did in his.

  498. Emjay Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    For those of you who are so angry at Hillary before she has even opened her mouth:

    What would you have her do? What in hell would you have her do?

    Be freaking specific in your answers, then step back and ask yourselves what the fallout would be if she did what YOU want her to do.

    Damm the bunch of you for not doing any forward thinking.

    Amen.

  499. Hillary is walking into trouble defending Obama.

    All the republicans have to do is say “Obama is sending out the women to do his dirty work and is hiding behind Hillary’s skirt again” and he’s got major trouble.

  500. I would never want to underestimate Hillary or Bill. Their Convention performance highlighted their preeminent position among the people.
    Just AWESOME! AWESOME! That was the kickoff of her 2012 campaign! There is already media talk about Obama may lose because he didn’t pick her. We may safely bet he can never pick her now because of his own ego.

  501. I have been trying to make some sense out of the Denver debacle. It appears to me that the DNC did a bad job of dissing party loyalists. I was not there but this is the way it looks to me:

    1. Although Hillary suspended her campaign, endorsed Obama and began campaigning for him, there were contra-indications that she might still seek the nomination at the Convention. For example, she retained her delegates for the ostensible purpose of negotiating her proposals into the party platform and asked for a floor vote to give her supporters a catharsis.

    2. Then, during the ensuing weeks a number of superdelegates migrated from Obama to her. Meanwhile, Obama committed committed a number of gaffs which caused people to question his character, judgment and fitness to be commander in chief. (Specifically, he introduced a personalized presidential seal, abandoned key policy positions on critical legislation and reversed himself three times in response to the military crisis in Georgia).

    3. Therefore, Hillary delegates and supporters went to the Convention with the intention of casting their vote for Hillary on the first ballot, and the hope that enough superdelgates might switch their support to her en masse and thereby make her the nominee. They were never told that under the rules the voters would “have their say”, then the superdelegates would “have their say” but the the DNC would ultimately “decide who the nominee would be”. The DNC and Big Media found it profitable to mislead them in this respect.

    4. The Democratic National Committee had a different concern. They were determined to prevent a floor fight and a divided convention. Therefore, prior to the Convention, the DNC contacted the Chairmen of swing state delegations and threatened them with loss of Party funding for their states and candidate campaigns if they didn’t vote for Obama. However, state law required delegates to represent the voting preferences of their constituents. Therefore the actions of the DNC to induce them to do otherwise were illegal

    5. The Obama campaign then compounded the illegality by dispatching surrogates to the hotel rooms of Clinton delegates and offering them bribes to switch their votes from Hillary to Obama. A formal written complaint was filed with the California Attorney Generals Office. How many individual delegates actually accepted that bribe in not known. The bribes consisted of offers to pay their travel and entertainment expenses.

    6. Still worried about a floor fight the Obama campaign took the further precaution of insisting that delegates vote from their hotel rooms so the DNC could preview the level of support for Obama. The voting began Hillary surged and Edwards delegates tried to switch to Hillary but were told they could not. When Hillary went past 1900 the DNC stopped the vote. Hillary released her delegates and told them to vote as they pleased.

    7. Shortly thereafter, Pelosi moved for a floor vote in a highly partisan way. She contacted the press and the Obama delegates told them to report to the Convention floor for the vote. She began the floor vote before any Clinton delegates had arrived. Obama surrogates visited the rooms of Clinton delegates and began intimidating them. Some broke down in tears and locked themselves in the room. Hillary tried to intercede with Obama.

    7. As the roll call began, Hillary’s home state of Arkansas was one of the first to report. That state reported 100% for Obama whereas it went 70% for Hillary in the primary. In fact 8 were cast for Hillary. This was a direct result of the DNC threat described above. Other states reported up for Obama as well. California passed because they are an all or nothing state and would have had to cast all 441 votes for Hillary if they voted. When Obama extorted numbers approached the threshold necessary for the nomination the process stopped, Hillary was escorted into the room. She reported that her home state of New York which went 100% for Obama on the roll call whereas it went 55% for her in the primary. Thus, based on Hillary’s vote, Obama was declared the nominee—to symbolize unity.

    8. Hillary did ask for Obama to be declared the nominee by acclamation rather than by unanimous consent which was important because it established her as the official runner up and gave her delegates of record in the unlikely event that Obama becomes ineligible between now and the election. In addition, she asked for an accurate delegate count for all 50 states. The DNC has since released the so called official numbers but given their known propensity to play fast and loose with the truth, and in view of the fact that they threatened state delegations and individual delegates in violation of the law the count is not legitimate.

    9. Hillary delegates were deeply disillusioned by the experience. They were led to believe the election would be determined by voters not party elders; that Hillary’s delegate strength would be fairly reflected by the state delegations on the roll call vote whereas it clearly was not; that the roll call would extend to all 50 states whereas it was cut off; and that Hillary and they themselves would be treated respectfully by the Party, and the Obama campaign which they were not. Consequently, real unity between Hillary and Obama supporters remains elusive. They were not told the truth.

  502. If the CBS and/or Survey USA polls have any validity Republican registration will catch up to Dem indentifiers real soon. As things proceed it does not matter what Hillary or Obama surrogates do. Obama is likely in real trouble in the very 18 states his campaign has identified as Obama targets.

    Appearances by Hillary are not particularly helpful to Obama.

    Every appearance by Hillary reminds Hillary supporters that Hillary should have been the nominee. Every appearance by Hillary reminds undecided voters that Hillary has said some truthful things about Obama during the primaries.

    Hillary appearances are placebos that placate desperate Obama supporters and especially Obama supporters in Big Media. Other than temporarily calming those sad creatures, Hillary appearances do not help Obama get votes – quite the contrary.

    Those who want to hurt Obama should continue to demonstrate full public fealty and admiration, if not love, for Hillary. Demonstrations of allegiance to Hillary (like the one-quarter of Dem delegates) hurts Obama more than anything else we can do.

    While it is frustrating – to us – to see Hillary surrounded by repulsive Obama signs, let’s simply remember that any appearance by Hillary invites comparison to that boob Obama. Obama suffers when compared to Hillary (and now to Governor Palin). Recall the Hillary speech at the convention – the real message was not Hillary’s words, but rather how wonderful Hillary is even when saying something patently ridiculous like touting unqualified Obama.

    Also, Governor Sarah Palin is now an additional powerful reminder that what passes as the Democratic Party made an historic mistake in snubbing women in general and Hillary in particular.

    Our message to Big Media and to everyone we know should be something like: “Hillary Forever, Obama Never”.

    As to getting emails asking for support for Obama or people calling or speaking with us asking for a vote for Obama: remember this is our strength. We can reach fellow Democrats and convince them NObama, NOvember.

    As NOvember approaches we need to get to work contacting everyone we know to communicate the reasons why NObama.

  503. Think about that statement by Coward Dean for a minute:

    Q: (Politico): This is such a close race between Hillary and Obama. How will it be decided.

    A: (Dean): First we will let the voters have their say; then we will let the superdelegates have their say; and then we will get both parties together and decide.

    Translation: the dnc will decide who the nominee will be–and they did–long before the primary season had concluded.

    Q: If you were out there campaigning and contributing to the campaign was that your understanding? Or did you think the voters would be the ones deciding who the nominee would be.

    Comment: the media and party sure led us to believe the voters would decide the nominee. This explains why they felt comfortabe tampering with the vote. They simply wanted it to give them plausible justification to do what they wanted.

    Comment: so 36 million people voted. How many of them knew their vote and that of their fellow voters would NOT be the determining factor in the selection of the nominee.

    Commnent: but leading people along believing it would gets them committed to a candidate in the general election and solicit contribution so this whole primary thing is mainly about party building.

    Thanks I will remember not to get so involved the next time because the voters preferences are not determinative of the issue even though they should be.