Hillary Clinton By Proxy

Any doubt by Hillary supporters that what poses as the Democratic Party has learned its lesson about sexism and misogyny were dispelled yesterday. Big Media and Big Democrats were busy trashing Governor Sarah Palin with smears, slurs, slime and sexism and misogyny.

The PINO Big Blogs have been even worse. One Big Blogger who had stated Joe Biden would be a “deal-breaker” for her, either does not understand the meaning of “deal-breaker”, or simply lied to her readers, but in either case the female Big Blogger is now busy questioning Governor Sarah Palin’s experience. Apparently the little woman from the tundra lacks experience, even with all her achievements in office but Kaine (elected in 2005) as a VP pick would have been fine. The notion that Obama Hopium eaters denounce a lack of experience is a full out joke.

Other female Big Bloggers who formerly supported Senator Hillary Clinton are now questioning Governor Sarah Palin’s experience even though for months they wrote repeatedly Obama had no experience other than in repeatedly advancing himself by running for office as soon as he got elected to whatever office he had just run for. Obama accomplishments are nil but dishonest bloggers now dare to question the abilities and experience of Governor Sarah Palin.

Other loathesome PINO Big Blogs such as the Talking Pimps Memo which has shilled for Obama and trashed Hillary now dream of Hillary Clinton advertisements attacking Governor Sarah Palin. Those that trashed Hillary now see Hillary as the salvation of the corrupt unDemocratic Party.

Big Media has been broadcasting Big Democrats in full misogyny and sexism. Yesterday Paul Begala attributed Governor Sarah Palin’s “poise” to the fact that she was a beauty queen at one time in her life. John Roberts at CNN questioned why Governor Sarah Palin is running for Vice President and not tending to her Down’s Syndrome child. Big Media John Roberts wants Governor Sarah Palin to stay barefoot and pregnant in the bedroom tending to her stove and ironing his shirts.

So vile was John Roberts’ comment that Dana Bash recognized the outright sexism and misogyny. So vile was John Roberts’ sexism and misogyny that Dana Bash was moved to respond. She said “That’s a very good question, and … my guess is that, perhaps, the line inside the McCain campaign would be, ‘If it were a man being picked who also had a baby… four months ago with Down syndrome, would you ask the same question?’”

For Hillary supporters the sexist attacks on Governor Sarah Palin are attacks reminiscent of the sexist attacks by Obama and Big Media on Senator Hillary Clinton.

The PINO Big Blogs and Big Media and Big Democrats and the unDemocratic Party say that Governor Sarah Palin will not get Hillary supporters’ votes – as if they have any clue about Hillary supporters. Hillary supporters will speak for themselves individually. Some Hillary supporters will vote for Governor Sarah Palin because it is a vote for Hillary Clinton by proxy. A vote for Governor Sarah Palin, many think, will fight misogyny, and defeat the unDemocratic Party of Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. Many Hillary supporters will put aside policy/issues differences with McCain/Palin in order to defeat the untrustworthy and unqualified Obama and as a refusal to reward electorally the unDemocratic Party.

Hillary supporters laugh when PINO Big Blogs and Big Media state that Joe Biden ‘will destroy’ Governor Sarah Palin in debate by turning Governor Palin into Danny Qualye and say “I know Senator Clinton and Palin you are no Clinton”. PINO Big Blogs and Big Media dream that Biden will note during the debates that Governor Sarah Palin has no experience. We suspect that Governor Sarah Palin will answer the experience question and quote Biden to Biden.

Obama is not qualified to be president.

The attacks by PINO Big Blogs on Governor Sarah Palin are an attack on all women, by proxy.

The attacks on Governor Sarah Palin to many Hillary supporters are the same as the attacks on Hillary Clinton.

Many Hillary Clinton supporters will indeed, this NOvember, vote for Hillary Clinton by proxy by voting for Governor Sarah Palin.

742 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton By Proxy

  1. FIRST!!!!! Great coz now I know everyone will see this!

    EVERYONE!

    MONDAY is our SALUTE to ADMIN!!!!!!!!

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    post everyone will have a chance to weigh in on how this site has touched their lives.

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  2. Amen to the message. Couldn’t agree more. Palin points up the bias against ALL women. All womens groups should be outraged at the suggestion that she should be home tending to her child. Do they think she can’t multi-task? ALL WOMEN DO THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. THAT”S THE POINT.

    Trash us – trash us women – CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WASH PO, LA TIMES, Keep it up – and McCain WILL WIN IN A LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good enough for you, NaziPelosi/CowardMean/BoyzfromBrazile et al.

  3. Does anyone have the number to CNN? Because I think we should call and complain JUST as loudly as when they did this disgusting crap to Hillary.

    NO MORE. IT STOPS, THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

    The dogs are barking. I keep going.

  4. Yeah Mon for Admin! Keeping up focused, ahead of the curve – ALWAYS RIGHT – and inspiring us to NEVER GIVE UP FOR HILLARY’s EVENTUAL SUCCESS AS POTUS!!!!

  5. Admin: Another great article. I know for sure this Hillary Clinton supporter will vote for Sarah because of her accomplishments as well as to rid the DNC of the horrible corrupt individuals that have taken over the party of my parents (union members). I will make it my personal goal to campaign and donate to McCain/Palin08′.
    I am looking sooo forward to Obama’s concession speech to McCain. This one will be televised and he will have to do it. I can hardly wait for it because many times he did not even call Senator Clinton when she beat him and if he said anything at all, it was very small. This won’t happen in this way for the general election. We you run in the general election you have to be a grown up and face defeat head on!

  6. HillaryforTexas:

    Yes, the dogs are barking, I see the torches through the trees, and the voices are shoouting trying to shut us up and shut us down. We will KEEP GOING. We will NOT STOP. We won’t look back. We look ahead…and stay connected…in our own Underground Railroad……………

  7. What women don’t understand if they don’t speak out we will never see women reaching their full potential. I don’t care what side you are on but right is right.

    Don’t let the males use sexism and mysoginy as a political tool to keep us down…You have to STAND UP and be counted on because one day you will be in that position too.

    Still haven’t seen those WEAK ASS WOMEN GROUPS stand up for what is right.

  8. Sorry Admin 😳
    Just had to get the message out.

    It is beyond despicable what BM and the dumocrats are doing to Palin but I seriously doubt their sexist lies will accomplish anything other than garnering sympathy for her and increasing the margin of victory for a repub landslide in November.

    They look like petulant fools now that they’re being publically called out for their sexist coverage.

    Maybe this time some of the national women’s groups like NOW will say something.

  9. I have seen with my own eyes how young women a multitask. I have seen RN’s in the emergency with whom I worked with have babies and insist that they be breast fed.
    One I know brought an electric breast pump in and pumped her breasts during breaks and stored the breast milk and froze it for the baby in day care. She did well and realized it would be faster if she had two breast pumps. So she went in the break room put on both breast pumps and was out in the busy emergency with her patients in no time. Her baby was a happy, healthy breastfed baby. WE can do anything we want to do.

  10. I already wrote to cnn and expressed my outrage. I’m on it. Every single time I see that crap, I’ll continue to pounce, until, eventually, those assholes will start top expect me and run. 🙂

  11. Maybe this time some of the national women’s groups like NOW will say something.

    They only speak up for women who are registered Democrats. Gee…wonder why THAT is.

  12. BTW,

    One of my sisters has a Downs Syndrome daughter so I know a little about the sacrifice and dedication
    needed to care for such children.

    Like Palin, my sister also considered terminating her pregnancy but made the courageous decision to
    carry the baby to term.

    It has not been easy for her, her husband and her 3 other kids but they have never regretted bringing Maria into the world.

  13. then why didn’t they defend HRC?

    They don’t like her. Apparently, not only do you have to be a woman democrat for NOW to stand up for you, but you must also be more than “likeable enough”.

  14. When the Democrats clean the filth and rot of misogyny from the party, I will vote Dem again. Until then, no way. It is rampant, it is obvious, and the powers-that-be know damn well what is going on, because we’ve been screaming about it for months. It is not a few headcases, it is pervasive and entrenched. Now it’s just directed at a different woman.

    This is a true watershed for me, akin to the blatant racism that cause so many AA’s to walk away from the Republican party and join the Dems way back when.

    It was not because they agreed with the Democrats more on every issue. It was because NO group of people can stomach staying in a party where sheer virulent HATRED and BIGOTRY against them is allowed to flourish. Anyone who expects or demands them to, because they agree on this or that policy position, is a FUCKING MORON. I do not care that I agree with you on drilling, or the economy, or SCOTUS, if you are calling me a c*nt and saying I need to be raped with jackhammers. That little gem, BTW, came to a friend of mine via Obama staffers WITH badges in Denver, screaming it at her on the street.

    The Dems want my vote, ever again? Stand up as ONE and LOUDLY and FORCEFULLY slap this down, BUT GOOD. No little half-assed “I should have done more” whines from Dean on some obscure CSpan show will suffice. It had better be PUBLIC and it had better be REAL.

    Until then, I will not vote for them. Period.

  15. basil,

    hurray, monday will be good times…
    we all have love for admin, and each other if the truth be known…
    but does anyone have pictures of admin when he/she was a baby?

  16. I cannot believe some AA did not know MLK was a republican. I was speaking to my neighbor, she is 80 yrs old. I told her MLK was a republican, she said he was not. I told her i would research it for her so she could see it on paper. She said they can tell you anything. Some people i just don’t know about. I went to find this article on MLK. Whats the old saying You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink it?

    some tend to believe only what they hear on the news. (Sad)

    This is the article on MLK

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500#continueA

  17. H4T, This is horrible, with a jackhammer, OMG, who the hell are these people. THis is coming from the top. There is no other way to explain this phenomenon. These are truly hate filled people.

    Poor Hillary, she spent her entire life defending and trying to make their lives better and this is what she and her supporters got.

    Let them keep it up on Sarah and they will see who has the power in America!

  18. I cannot believe some AA’s did not know MLK was a Republican. My neighbor is 80 yrs old. I told her MLK was a republican, she said he was not. She said if he was why did J Edgar Hoover hate him. I told her i would research it and find out for her that he was a Republican.

    Some people only believe what they hear on the news (Sad)

    Here is the article i found for her.

    HELP ME, HELP ME

    h t t p : / / w w w . humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500#continueA

  19. Social Conservative Democrats Could Sway the Election to McCain-Palin
    Submitted by Julie on August 30, 2008 – 5:23pm. Elections Elections 2008 News Opinion Politics

    In the aftermath of Senator John McCain’s announcement of choosing Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, there is one argument as to why Palin was a poor choice that really sticks out for me. That argument is that she does not support women’s so-called “right to choose” and therefore she will not appeal to women voters, and especially not Democratic female voters.

    That argument is flawed. Surely if Palin is against abortion she’s not the only woman in the country to have that belief. There are many other women in this country that are very strongly pro-life. Furthermore, the insinuation that all women who identify with the Democratic party are automatically pro-choice is also a dangerous assumption to make. Have we forgotten about the Catholic vote, or even though those who believe that it is up to God to choose who lives or dies? As much as the GOP likes to portray them at times, all Democrats, liberals, and progressives are not godless heathens. Just as all religious people are not Republicans.

    Sarah Palin may not appeal to hardcore feminist Hillary Clinton supporters that subscribe to the notion that pro-lifers are really just trying to control their sexuality and make them second-class citizens, rather than being concerned about the life of unborn children. Anyone who believes that would probably never vote for Palin or anyone on the GOP ticket.

    That aside, Palin will still have appeal with plenty of other women, some Democrats included. The pro-life issue may seal the deal for some female voters, one way or another. As many pro-choice women there are out there, there are just as many pro-life women in this country that will definitely be giving Palin a look.

    As sad as it may be, a majority of US voters choose who they’ll be voting for based not on the issues, but rather on who their friends, family, and co-workers are voting for, or who they can relate to.
    continue…..

    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/6630

  20. I’m also irritated that the new Obama ad, goes after McCain and shows Sarah Palin but never mentions her name. “Well, he’s made his pic”, the ad says…then shows a pic of Palin. Never once mentioned her by name.

    WTF? It’s like, seeeee she’s a token female, picked to trick ya, not even worth assigning a name.

  21. The Republicans have been given a gift. They now have a top Democrat on videotape saying “God is on our side” because there is a hurricane headed towards New Orleans. Don Fowler laughing about Hurricane hitting New Orleans:

  22. The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, has seen an additional $7 million in contributions since he announced Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

    The increased profit is due largely to Palin’s appeal with the conservative donors. Donors who previously said they would not participate in the campaign.

    The money comes just days before McCain officially accepts his party’s nomination on Thursday. After he accepts the nomination he will no longer be permitted to raise private funds.

    This will not stop McCain or Palin from raising money for the Republican National Committee. In the next few weeks McCain will be hosting several massive fundraising events in hopes of bolstering the party’s funds.

    Meanwhile Palin is scheduled to headline over a dozen fundraising events for the party. Palin is in line to experience the fundraising process from the beginning. When running for governor she raised only $468,400.

    tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=6944

  23. There are some things to consider for 2012

    1. If O and rats are thrown out, and the Reps win, there will be a Dem house cleaning.

    2. I guess I don’t think McCain will do a second term

    3. Palin, whom I think is magnificant, would have to run for office in 2012, without being appointed. I am not sure the men in the Reps would allow her to get the nod. They sure worked against a women in the Dems, and the only reason she is where she is as she was appointed by a very open minded Rep male.

    4. If HRC decides to run in 2012, she would hopefully have a reorganized Dem party that might have learned there lesson.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  24. The 5 p.m. NOAA NHC update says Gustav has sustained winds of 150 which if 5 miles per hour below Cat 5. I has gone over an Island, and is ready to hit Cuba. It should really stay the same or even go down a bit hitting Cuba. The 11 p.m. update might tell us more.

    The question is will the waters right after exiting Cuba build it back up to Cat 5.

    If you live or you have anyone in the area of landfall, please tell them not to ride it out. No property is worth that. Also, remind them that pets will be accomodated in shelters.

  25. moon

    Wow. Did you guys know that Todd Palin QUIT his 17 year job with BP oil when his wife became governor and was involved in negotiating the pipeline? He wanted no appearance of favor.

    Unlike Obama’s spouse, who when her hubby became a state senator promptly got a 160% raise and her employer got a million dollar earmark.

  26. my area paper the hou chron is full of it again. the comments in the op ed section are sick. one said ‘i will vote for mccain/palin. at least palin doesnt wear pantsuits.” several slammed plain as too inexperienced and they willv ote obama. mccain is loaded-spend it on a great intro ad for palin emhpasizing her experience for 16 in elective office. as a doer who in 2 yrs took down the corrupt repub party.

  27. i dunn,

    hmmmmmmmmmm

    do you have a copy of that photo?

    ofcourse we’ve all saved that ‘other’ picture of
    admin, on the computer, havent we?

    could be a collectable someday!

  28. Just saw one hillary supporter got interviewed on local CBS station talking about voting for mccain/palin ticket.

  29. SKMF…nah. I’m not even sure it WAS admin, and even if it was…well, there should be a respect for a persons anonymity, you know?

    (spoken like the ghost I am)

  30. HillaryforTexas,

    btw, he is a true blue collar worker, a field operator, not even an entry level manager. It just shows you they truly have the integrity.

  31. moononpluto

    That comparison is great. I had to share that with a few Hillary friends.

    People in Glass houses, should not throw stones.

  32. Also, heard Todd say that if McCain and Palin were elected, he’d be quitting his job to be a fulltime dad.

    Geez…looks, brains , athletic , blue collar and proud, committed to family, and secure in himself too. Whatta guy!!

  33. Looks like women are not going to be denied this year
    ps Obama we are not the ones we were waiting for
    Palin is the one we were waiting for

  34. news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/30/hot-seat-palin-and-clinton-supporters/?icid=200100397x1208631905x1200490277

    Vote in this aol poll asking if many Hillary supporters will support Palin.

  35. A post from the Reclusive Leftist:
    Bill Whittle says:

    Violet,

    Let me start by saying that I am a conservative Republican, and very likely we disagree on most everything. (And believe it or not, I got here before the Instalanche)

    I’ve been everywhere on the web these last few days, keeping my ear to the ground — left and right and everything in between — but this is the first post I have been moved to comment on, because you seem very reasonable in your analysis.

    All I wanted to add was this: My strong feeling is that you and many of your commenters have been lied to over the years. Republicans — at least the ones that I know, and I know a LOT of Republicans — are neither misogynists or racists. The essence of our philosophy is individualism, and ideally we support or oppose positions and candidates based on their character, rather than their identity.

    I say this because I think it is a big mistake to assume that McCain picked Palin because she is a women. No doubt that is a part of it, but it is Palin’s character that has us just smitten with her. She had a problem at school one day so she went to a PTA meeting. She didn’t like the way things were going so she ran for the PTA and won. Then she ran for mayor of her hometown — where she played basketball and met her husband — and won. Then she got disgusted by Alaska politics and GOP corruption, and as a Republican ran against the corruption in her own party — and won. And she never whined or complained. She’s happily married, she’s a tough lady married to a tougher man, and she got there through hard work and sheer determination.

    She’s the conservative success story, and that is why men and women on the right just LOVE this pick. Not because she’s a woman, but because she’s Joe, uh, make that JANE Citizen, and she played by the rules and beat corruption.

    For Conservatives, Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens and his Bridge to Nowhere pork project are the absolute DEATH of conservative principles. These guys have ruined the Republican party. Sarah Palin went right at them and beat them senseless.

    So it is a mistake to think of her as a token choice designed to woo Hillary voters. (I’ll think she’ll do some of that too, mind you.) But McCain is serious about corruption and reform. He has paid a heavy price in his own party for it — I was there, and I saw the resentment leveled against him. And I think he chose Palin because he plans to not only run against Obama, but against the 9% approval-rating Congress. She is the Real Deal in that regard.

    So as someone who you undoubtedly disagree with on just about everything, let me close with something from the heart. I don’t like Hillary, because I don’t like her policies. But just about every conservative I know thinks she was robbed by the DNC, and that Obama’s nomination was gamed by the Democratic leadership. So since Hillary is off the ticket in ‘08, I would ask you to consider this…

    There are two nuclear issues in American politics, and they are The Right to Bear Arms and Abortion rights. They are the only two issues that cause one side, or the other, to actually go out and riot in the streets. You can twiddle with them a little (partial birth bans, assault rifle bans) but there is no way that Conservatives will EVER be able to make abortion illegal, and no way for the Liberals to EVER confiscate a private citizen’s guns.

    With that said, I would encourage you to look at Sarah Palin as what we all hope for: a self-made person who seems to want to do the right thing. She’s not a Woman VP — she’s an anti-corruption VP. That’s how we see her. That’s how she deserves to be seen. She has the enthiastic — actually, incandescant support of every conservative I know — not because she is a politcal missile aimed at Hillary voters, but because she embodies the American dream of the citizen who decided to make a difference.

    One of the earlier posters wondered who would be more misogynistic: McCain or Obama. Is that a joke? McCain picked her because she is the best person for the job he has in mind: go clean out Washington from the inside. The democrats passed on Hillary Clinton — who had been part of the White House team for eight years and was married to the President of the United States. The Republicans chose a woman who is married to a commercial fisherman, because she has shown character, and did what she set out to do. We’re going to back this woman all the way to the wall. She’s earned it.

    I would hope that would make any woman proud. It certainly made me proud, and I’m a knuckle-dragging, war-mongering Neanderthal.

    Good luck in November, and may the best side win.

    http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2008/08/29/i-knew-it-i-knew-it-i-knew-it/

  36. So now we have Nasty Pooplosi questioning the infallability of the Pope. WOW, she studied the Catholic church history and found the answer to the abortionists. THe woman is stupid!

  37. Hillary gave radio address today, I dont know what she was promised by BHO but I am getting a little pissed at her she put party before people and now wants to help hand over the country to a bunch of thugs

  38. yikes. mccain better define palin-obots going to ak to investigat palin
    http:/ /thepage.time.com/2008/08/30/sunday-ny-times-palin-pick-sends-obama-team-scrambling/

  39. texan4hillary

    This is the first time they have had to scramble. It is obvious to me that they knew what was happening in the Dem party from the beginning and had inside information.

    It is nice to see them with their pants down.

  40. let them go, if theres anything to find they will, jesus, its not like Bambi has any skeletons. (sarcasm)

  41. T4H
    I wonder what Hillary will do if asked to bring another woman down
    She risks losing her base ie women and make any other national run not viable

  42. McCain is waiting to drop the motherload on Obama, he’s saving it for when he really needs it. If you think the RNC has not done their research on Palin, they will be sorely mistaken. These people cross their ii’s and dots their t’s.

    I’m not so sure Palin was a choice from only a few days, i suspect McCain picked her quite a while back.

  43. I suspect republicans and democrats alike will be happy if Palin moves to Washington because they want her out of the way to get back to business as usual.

  44. chaz, I have no problem if Hill feels she must campaign for Obama, or even attack the policies of the Republicans, Palin included. I would hope she would refuse to focus on Palin, and become the “attack dog” to go after her specifically.

  45. What BHO does not realise is when he had Hillary proclaim him king, many women moved on. This may have started with Hillary but I think its now about sarah and cute piper now just as chelsea was 16 years ago.

  46. Blame the Staff:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13004.html

    Just hours after his campaign issued a first statement yesterday ripping the addition of Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket, Barack Obama backed away from that statement — or at least its tone — and said that his own campaign had misrepresented him.

    Obama often speaks of how important his staffers are to his bid and would be to his administration, and he’s praised them for covering for each others’ mistakes. But in the heat of the campaign, he’s publicly called them out for everything from missing an event to misrepresenting his policy positions to using his office to aid a donor.

    ————–

    Obama disavowed his campaign’s first response, telling journalists that “I think that, uh, you know, campaigns start getting these, uh, hair triggers and, uh, the statement that Joe and I put out reflects our sentiments,” he said.

    Earlier in the same availability, however, he told reporters that John McCain “wants to take the country in the wrong direction. I’m assuming Gov. Palin agrees with him and his policies” — echoing Burton’s claim that “that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same.”

    —————–

    The latest disavowal of his staff’s comments on his behalf or in his name continues a tactic Obama employed repeatedly during his contentious battle with Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    When confronted about a campaign memo during the primary criticizing Clinton’s ties to India that referred to her as “D-Punjab,” Obama called it “a screw-up on the part of our research team” and said “it was stupid and caustic.”

    And when the late Tim Russert asked Obama at a Las Vegas debate about his campaign’s efforts to push the storyline that Team Clinton was stoking racial tensions, Obama said “our supporters, our staff, get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say.”

    But, he added, “it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign.”

    Obama’s penchant for publicly rebuking his staff stands in sharp contrast to his declarations about how important they are to his management strategy, as well as the all for one, one for all mentality that he encourages in them.

    Addressing his campaign at his Chicago headquarters days after clinching the Democratic nomination in early June, Obama lauded his team for working hard, setting aside their egos and not blaming each other for snafus.

    “You lifted each other up. You covered for each other,” Obama told the roomful of staffers in a speech the campaign posted on its website. “You made up for each others’ mistakes. You didn’t blame each other when things went wrong,” he said, adding that his “old organizing mindset” was “that if people were willing to submerge their egos and just focus on bringing their particular gifts and passion and energy and vision to a common task, that great things can be accomplished.”

    And at the Las Vegas debate, Obama said he relies on his staff to neutralize his disorganization, which he said was his greatest weakness.

    “I ask my staff never to hand me paper until two seconds before I need it, because I will lose it,” he said, drawing laughter from the audience. “I’ve got to have somebody around me who is keeping track of that stuff. And that’s not trivial; I need to have good people in place who can make sure that systems run. That’s what I’ve always done, and that’s why we run not only a good campaign, but a good U.S. Senate office.”

    ——————————

    Obama had said earlier in the debate that “being president is not making sure that schedules are being run properly or the paperwork is being shuffled effectively. It involves having a vision for where the country needs to go.”

    Obama has, in fact, faulted his staff on scheduling, telling a firefighter group during a telephone call that he couldn’t make it in person because his “staff had already scheduled some things and they couldn’t wiggle out of it. They heard from me a little bit because I wasn’t happy I couldn’t be there personally.”

    But Obama also has delegated blame on important policy questions.

    His campaign asserted earlier this year that the manager of his 1996 state Senate campaign — his first bid for public office — filled out a questionnaire in Obama’s name that “accidentally mischaracterized his positions” by taking more liberal stands than he held on gun control, the death penalty and abortion.

    Politico, however, later determined that Obama played a greater role than his presidential campaign suggested in filing an amended version of the questionnaire with similar answers to those questions.

    And in his 2006 bestseller, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama writes that during his 2004 U.S. Senate primary, when his opponents were challenging his commitment to abortion rights, his staff oversimplified his stance by promising on his website that he would fight “right-wing ideologues who want to take away a woman’s right to choose.”

    And after he raised eyebrows by proclaiming in a July speech to a prominent Jewish group that he supports Jerusalem remaining Israel’s “undivided” capital, Obama suggested his staff was responsible.

    “We had some poor phrasing in the speech, and we immediately tried to correct the interpretation that was given,” Obama told Fareed Zakaria on CNN, though Obama had made similar statements about an undivided Jerusalem before.

    Obama also blamed his staff for underestimating how much money since-convicted businessman Tony Rezko raised for his earlier campaigns and for a letter from his office urging city and state officials to fund a Rezko project.

  47. Fox is showing the clip of Bill Maher stating that Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews want to have sex with Obama because they are so in the tank for Obama.

  48. chaz, reading HRC’s Palin statement, it’s clear that she will continue to speak out against McCain/Palin policies – as she should. I don’t see any real supporter holding that against Hillary.

    I also don’t see her engaging in personal attacks against McCain/Palin.

  49. texan: They better be careful. The Republicans have a 1,000 page dossier on BO. This woman has character and integrity, which is something the BO campaign lacks in spades.

  50. The great leaders do not blame their staff.

    I use to tell my staff, if we accomplished something it was their accomplishment, and if there was a screw up, it was my fault.

    They really tried hard so that I did not have to take the blame.

  51. This is ironic.

    Saturday, August 30, 2008 Joe Biden and the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System

    Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s choice for vice president, has been a senator since 1972.

    He is one of only five senators who were present in 1973 when Congress passed legislation authorizing construction of the trans-Alaska pipeline system (TAPS).

    Biden, then 30, was the youngest member of the Senate and not a leader in the lengthy debate over the pipeline. But his voting record is striking – at least to an Alaskan interested in history.

    Biden was a reliable “no” on TAPS. In July, when the Senate passed the Gravel-Stevens amendment allowing immediate construction of the line and precluding further judicial review, Biden voted no. The amendment passed after Vice President Spiro Agnew broke a 49-49 tie.

    In November, Biden voted against final passage of the bill. The vote was 80-5, Biden one of the five.

    SINCE BIDEN’S NO VOTE, THAT PIPELINE HAS SUPPLIED 15 BILLION BARRELS OF OIL INTO OUR DOMESTIC SUPPLIES HERE IN AMERICA.

  52. well this is just spooky

    Strategic Vision, accurately predicted the presidential nomination of Arizona Senator John McCain in 2007 on POTUS Radio when all political experts had written McCain’s obituary.

    Johnson also predicted that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin would be McCain’s running mate in March 2007.

    Johnson once again reiterated that Palin would be the candidate following Barack Obama’s selection of Joseph Biden as his running mate. Johnson based his predictions upon polling done by Strategic Vision, LLC in key battleground states and his own political expertise of over twenty years.

    “Based upon our polling in key battleground states in 2007 and early 2008, all indicators pointed to John McCain as the only plausible Republican presidential nominee,” said David E. Johnson, CEO of Strategic Vision, LLC. “Our polling showed that McCain was the second choice of the other candidate’s supporters particularly in Florida which really made McCain’s nomination possible.

    Our polling in 2008 have shown that Barack Obama underperforms among female voters particularly in the states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin that provides an opening for Senator McCain,” continued Johnson.

    “Additionally, John McCain has a unique opportunity to present the future of the Republican Party in his vice presidential selection. All of this indicated a strong dedicated conservative that would be outside of the box and Sarah Palin headed that list along with her appeal to social and fiscal conservatives and her moving life story.

    Strategic Vision polling in the key battleground states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, and non-traditional battleground states such as New Jersey indicate that 25% to 35% of Hillary Clinton supporters will not vote for Barack Obama and might consider voting for John McCain based upon his running mate.

  53. Rassmussen and Strategic both confirmed that Palin was picked because she polled better than anyone in the country among women and battleground state polls since way back, that ought to tell you whats going to happen come Nov.

  54. For folks who think Sarah as little/no foreign policy experience:

    – She is the VP choice
    – foreign policy is set by the President + Sec. of State
    – By the time she need it hands on (jan 2009), she will have become and expert as she is a quick learner.
    – She can make a few international trips in the net 8 weeks and she will have as much as Obama is the PRES. candidate.

    Enough said!

  55. Kingsgrove at 6:47, I agree. Well said.

    BTW, It was interesting to read how the Palin selection has galvanized the GOP grass roots. Wow.

  56. WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama reportedly told the top military commander in Iraq that some U.S. forces should be pulled out of Iraq and deployed to Afghanistan when the two met in July in Baghdad.

    ……………………

    Do you think the Generals response was somewhere in the region of “go fuck yourself, do you normally tell a duck how to quack” or “like fuck am i taking advice of you”

  57. NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN

    Four thousand years ago Moses told the Israeli people load up your ass, get on your camel we are going to the promised land.

    Today BarackAmerica the would be Messiah says to us sit on your ass, light up your camel we are headed to Obama Land–with one stop.

    I need to go to New Orleans and will stand in a Cagnen bog, raise my hands to the sky and I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll blow that hurrricane back to where it came from, like Charleton Heston.

    All in a days work for a Messiah. And on the second day he rested, and the third day he rested and the fourth day he rested, etc. Finally they had to send the truant officer to find him.

  58. BREAKING ON FOX…People Getting SICK IN ST LOUIS…HOSPITALS ON LOCKDOWN

    Serious folks

    Just breaking on Fox. Not much info yet. People walking into are hospitals in St. Louis sick, skin turning blue and with breathing problems. Hospitals on Lock down.

    Two St. Louis, Mo. hospitals are under lockdown and Hazmat crews are taking samples, after patients claiming they’d been exposed to unidentified chemical substances walked into the separate emergency rooms, KMOV.com.

    Three people walked into SSM DePaul Health Center claiming they were exposed to white powder they could not identify. Two of the patients were in critical condition.

    Another three patients were admitted to St. Anthony’s Medical Center with blue skin, according to unconfirmed reports relayed by KMOV.com.

    Several of the patients claimed they drove themselves to the emergency rooms after coming into contact with the substances, according to MyFOXStLouis. Emergency room patients were quarantined, according to the Fox affiliate.

    St. Anthony’s isolated the hospital’s ventilation system around 3:30 p.m., according to the television station, and a Hazmat team opened decontamination tents in the parking lot.

    They just mentioned it on Fox News….sounds very scary folks!

  59. carby: I liked the last line from the article:

    “Sarah doesn’t really wear make-up. She’s much more at home with a gun than a mascara wand.’

  60. Rassmussen and Strategic both confirmed that Palin was picked because she polled better than anyone in the country among women and battleground state polls since way back, that ought to tell you whats going to happen come Nov.
    ——————————————-
    Big Media says big gamble. Well, this shows you what is going on here. She electified the crowd in Pennsylvania. She is a strong campaigner.

  61. Moon, I thought it said these people came in contact with this white powder while digging thru a dumpster?? What is in their garbage there?

  62. Wait…these are people coming into hospitals in separate cases? They all came into contact with white powder? Came in contact how? Where?

    I’m confused.

  63. • admin Says:
    August 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
    Fox is showing the clip of Bill Maher stating that Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews want to have sex with Obama because they are so in the tank for Obama.
    ————————————————————–
    I don’t think that would be much fun – BO looks like he has a tiny weewee – actually, so does Matthews. As for Olbermann, he’s always so hysterical, he might have lost his altogether.

    O is obviously effete anyway (affected, over-refined and ineffectual) – shame on him, sending Hillary out to fight his battles for him. We know she’s stronger, smarter, better informed, more personable and sexier, and would be a great president, but he can’t take her with him when he goes to talk to Putin. If he’s got the stuff to be pres, it’s time he puts up or shuts up.
    Damn silly fraud…trying to hide behind Hillary’s pantsuit.
    In my day that kind of guy was called a sissy.

  64. Idunn, I have the TV on FOx, they are not saying much about this. It really doesnt say where all these people are coming in contact with this white powder. Someone said it was a dumpster, but it doesnt say how different people are coming into contact with this.

  65. Four presidential scholars trashed Palin and called her the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

    Then this:

    After reading this article, the McCain campaign issued the following statement: “The authors quote four scholars attacking Gov. Palin’s fitness for the office of Vice President. Among them, David Kennedy is a maxed out Obama donor, Joel Goldstein is also an Obama donor, and Doris Kearns Goodwin has donated exclusively to Democrats this cycle. Finally, Matthew Dallek is a former speech writer for Dick Gephardt. This is not a story about scholars questioning Governor Palin’s credentials so much as partisan Democrats who would find a reason to disqualify or discount any nominee put forward by Senator McCain.”

    Excellent rapid response.

  66. Holy Shit, Obama got no bounce at all, lol and this is Zogby, so you can add another 5 on.

    Zogby: Palin Gives McCain Big Boost (McCain/Palin: 47% – Obama/Biden 45%)

    Republican John McCain’s surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate – some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama’s historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination – has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows.

    The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden.

    In other words, the race is a dead heat.

    The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties – Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama’s Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain’s increases to 92%.

    After the McCain “Veep” announcement on Friday, Palin was almost immediately hailed as a strong conservative, and those voters have rallied to the GOP ticket, the survey shows. Republicans gather in St. Paul, Minnesota this week to officially nominate McCain and Palin as their presidential ticket.

    Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit – as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt.

  67. i dunn,

    yeah on the annonimity issue, but a bare bottom
    baby picture of admin, would be so cute…

    all due respect …

    😀

  68. YIKES!

    “I ask my staff never to hand me paper until two seconds before I need it, because I will lose it,” Obama said.

    That sounds just like ME and I know i would be the WORST president in the world!!!!!!!

    Wonder if he’ll need similar reminders about which button to push in the event of military action!!!!!!!!

  69. McCain holding off on announcing his VP until immediately after the Dem convention was brilliant – as was his choice of Palin. 🙂

  70. That Zogby poll was conducted on Friday alone which to me means Bambi’s speech was a complete flop.

  71. mentioned on another blog, if this is happening on a bigger scale, game over.

    Friday afternoon at a small mom and pop, blue collar, working class bar outside of Pittsburgh the local people are COMPLETELY disgusted with their beloved democrat party. Usually I’m the only conservative in the place, they’re vocal, and try to bait me into an arguement.

    But this election cycle is different.

    Friday the dozen or so that were there sat in silence sobbing itno their beers when the 4 o’clock news came on. Finally one spoke up, slammed his hand on the bar and loudly proclaimed…”This isn’t my party!” “What happened?”

    The others joined in with similar comments. Lots were angry because Hillary isn’t on the ticket. Then they started talking about Palin.

    It was great! ALL of them claimed they will vote for McCain/Palin, especilly now that Palin is the VP pick. They like her hunting/fishing/outdoor aspects..they like her abortion stance…and after I showed them a picture of her as Miss Walissa 1984, they LOVE her because she’s hot.

    Seriously every one of them at the watering hole say they will never vote for Obama now, they will vote republican, some for the first time in their life.

  72. The Dems must be in complete turmoil Obama was meant to be their saviour and they got royally shafted, Obama will never break anywhere near 50% in a GE.

    Delegates, feel like used assholes yet?

  73. moononpluto,

    As much as i’d love to believe that poll, unfortunately it’s just a garbage zogby internet poll…

  74. I’m reading a WSJ story on Palin’s dealing with oil industry in AK… The inexperience angle is just another excuse big boy media has placed on any female politiician. I mean, what has Obama, Biden, or even McCain run in their entire life? Endless debates in the senate do not equal to experience. I always feel being a govenor, no matter how short, is much more valuable than a senator…

    anyway, here’s the article…
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    Palin Has Long Experience
    Dealing With Big Oil in Home State
    By RUSSELL GOLD
    August 30, 2008; Page A7

    As the politics of energy engulf the presidential contest, Sen. John McCain has picked as his running mate a politician with firsthand experience of the industry and its tactics.

    Since becoming Alaska’s governor in 2006, Sarah Palin has pushed oil companies to move faster with projects to expand oil and gas production. She is widely credited with reviving a long-stalled effort to build a natural-gas pipeline from Alaska’s Prudhoe Bay energy fields to the Lower 48 states.

    In a state that is dependent for its operating revenue on taxes and energy royalties paid by oil companies, she has negotiated with the state’s big producers, Exxon Mobil Corp., BP PLC and ConocoPhillips.

    “Sarah Palin is pro-development and is supportive of oil and gas development in an environmentally conscious way, but she is very tough on the companies. She doesn’t think that when the state of Alaska leases oil and gas to big oil, it means big oil gets to call all the shots,” says Drue Pearce, an appointee of President George W. Bush who directs the Office of the Federal Coordinator for Alaska Natural Gas Transportation Projects.

    Critics say Ms. Palin is pro-drilling at a time when the U.S. shouldn’t pursue an energy policy that attempts to drill its way out of high prices. “She may face down the oil companies in Alaska when it comes to the pipeline, but she is singing their tune when it comes to energy policy,” says Daniel J. Weiss, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, a left-of-center Washington, D.C., think tank.

    What the government can do to drive down energy prices and encourage new forms of energy has become a critical issue in the presidential contest. Both major candidates now support expanding offshore oil drilling in federal waters. What isn’t clear is whether Gov. Palin’s experience dealing with oil companies in Alaska can be applied to pushing them to comply with a new U.S. energy policy.

    Democrats have been criticizing Mr. McCain for being too close to the oil industry. Former Vice President Al Gore said in a speech at the Democratic convention that “the carbon fuels industry — big oil and coal — have a 50-year lease on the Republican Party.”

    Ms. Palin’s biggest accomplishment has been to jump-start work on the giant gas pipeline, expected to cost more than $30 billion. When she took office, a deal negotiated between former Gov. Frank Murkowski and the oil companies was rejected by the state legislature because it gave the industry favorable fiscal terms without extracting any guarantees the project would move forward. Progress on a pipeline was completely stalled.

    Ms. Palin pushed for new public negotiations, including a piece of legislation to provide $500 million in incentives to induce work on a pipeline. Earlier this week, she signed the legislation into law, selecting Calgary-based TransCanada Corp. to build the pipeline.

    Her work is widely credited with forcing BP and ConocoPhillips to start work on another pipeline project, called Denali. The companies spent $40 million this summer on preliminary field work and hope to have a working pipeline built by 2013. Many industry observers believe the two projects will ultimately be combined.

    The companies say their interest in building a gas pipeline predates Gov. Palin’s administration.

    Les Gara, a Democratic state representative from Anchorage, says credit for the revived company interest in building the pipeline should go to market forces. “More than anyone’s work, it’s the price of gas that is making this pipeline go ahead,” he says.

    Others believe Ms. Palin is the main reason the pipeline is moving forward. “The gas pipeline was such a muddle when she arrived that I thought to myself that this will never be built,” says Steve Cowper, Alaska’s Democratic governor from 1986 to 1990.

    In 2007, Gov. Palin backed an oil-tax reform package that would have raised the base tax rate on oil production and created a mechanism to raise the taxes as oil prices increased. The state legislature, however, felt it was too lenient and toughened it by increasing the rate of tax increases once oil topped $60 a barrel.

    Oil companies have a number of projects under consideration at any time. The projects are ranked based on a number of conditions, notably return on capital. Companies were investing in other projects around the world as the Alaska projects sat waiting.

    Gov. Palin’s interest in speeding up development of the state’s resources, in part to boost revenues to the state and provide jobs, is evident in her clash with Exxon Mobil. Earlier this year, she attempted to revoke Exxon’s license to the Point Thomson oil-and-gas field, one of the largest undeveloped fields in the U.S., for failing to develop it quickly enough. The company hasn’t drilled a well there since 1982.

    On Thursday, Exxon said it has brought in equipment and was preparing to drill a well this winter. An Exxon spokeswoman declined to comment when asked if Gov. Palin deserved any credit for accelerating development.

    Gov. Palin showed an independent streak in the first weeks of her term by appointing Tom Irwin to be the natural resources commissioner. Mr. Irwin was fired in 2005 after he wrote a memo saying Gov. Murkowski was going too easy on oil companies in earlier pipeline negotiations. Six top staff members resigned in protest, an incident called the “Thursday Afternoon Massacre.”

    “She is not pro- or con-big companies,” says Mr. Irwin. “Gov. Palin didn’t submit to the force and control of the large companies. She forced [them] into a fair, open competitive process.”

    Mr. Irwin says he has been impressed with Gov. Palin’s integrity since 2004. She resigned from her job as chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in protest against Randy Ruedrich, a fellow commissioner and state Republican Party chairman.

    “She was unsettled and unhappy that he was conducting party business on state time,” says Joe Balash, Gov. Palin’s special assistant. Mr. Reudrich was later fined $12,000 for violating state ethics laws.

    Gov. Palin has also faced accusations of ethical violations. Earlier this summer, the state legislature hired an independent investigator to determine if she abused her office by trying to get her former brother-in-law fired from his job as an Alaska state trooper. She has said she will cooperate with the legislative probe, which is expected to be completed by November.

  75. I would hope she would refuse to focus on Palin, and become the “attack dog” to go after her specifically.
    ———————————————
    I think that is a line she needs to respect. This is Bidens role. This terrible ordeal she has been through has elevated Hillary to a position where she is more than a politican. She is a statesman one of the very few we have. She is a role model to women. But she will blow it all if she gets down in the dirt or vouches for the personal integrity of people we know are a fraud. She must walk the delicate line between supporting the party and preserving her own credibilty. She should stick to policy differences if she is to say anything. She found the right balance in her convention speech, they said she did everthing they wanted and that is the formula she should stick with for the duration. Again, she is not the president or the vice president. They must sell themselves.

  76. The reason he got no bounce is because the convention was dull, guady and garish AND it is the same movie over and over and over again ad infinitum ad nauseum.

    Question: maybe the right word to describe Bambis (hereinafter Caligula) is HOAX rather than hope.

  77. I hate to blow everybody’s bubble I am still down in mouth about Hillary and the democratic party.
    What keeps rolling over in my mind is the site of Donna and Rove conspiring together.

    If the republicans knew Sarah #’s were good months ago, why didn’t the Dem’s know know that Hillary’s were also up and BO’s was down??

    This all seems all too convenient for the republicans to put forth this great woman when all are still mourning over the loss of Hillary. I do like Sarah, but to me she isn’t Hillary. Something folks to me is just not right here.

    We all know that the republicans have hated Hillary for over 16 years and now they are going to get their back up when the media takes swipes at Sarah. Of coarse I don’t want the same thing to happen to Hillary to happen to Sarah. Folks it does look like the republicans are going to benefit from Hillary’s bloodletting they themselves began. I find it all so ironic, and as I research Sarah, I find their has been an internet push for her to be vp all along. Surely the republicans did not hand Sarah all the good jobs and the democrats hand to Obama to make them look good.

    We all know that Hillary was always going to run for President and we all know NOW that it not only sent shockwaves thru the republican party, it also did the democratic party. I find it just a little of a conincidence that we all fell for Hillary and wanted her for our CIC, only to find her thrown out of the race and now low and behold the republicans have come up with a clean, moral, mother of 5 to replace our hero. I find it very very suspicious. Perhaps we need more information on the Rove/Brazille lovefest.
    I still will not change my mind on voting for McCain/Palin because the DNC must have been participants in the lynching of Hillary so they all should suffer, EVERY LAST DEMOCRAT that is up for re-election!

  78. wwboei

    I agree. However, sometimes women who have accepted their jobs and all the responsibility will always do what is necessary to save the group.

    HRC, YOU HAVE DONE YOUR PART. IT IS TIME THAT THEY DO WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE JOB.

    THE WOMEN’S ISSUE WILL BE SARAH’S JOB. YOU HAVE DONE ALL YOU CAN DO TO GET THE WOMEN’S ISSUE IN O’S PLATFORM.

    NOW IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GIVE LIP SERVICE AND STAY OUT OF IT.

    NOWHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT WOMEN SHOULD DO 120% WHILE OTHERS DO NOTHING.

  79. We had a great discussion in the are about how they could attack her experience, and we came to the following concusion.

    Women have to be 200% qualified with background and experience,

    While men just have to show the potential

    Sound familiar.

  80. wbboei, 17 percent what?

    Also, confloyd, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. The GOP did want Obama to get the nomination because they didn’t want to face HRC. However, the Dem elite figured the Dems were a shoo-in this election so they assumed Obama would win easily even though he was unvetted and inexperienced. They badly miscalculated and played right into the GOP’s hands.

  81. You all keep talking about Hillary being called into duty to take out Sarah, where are you all hearing this???

  82. Fox it is now time to unload the mountain of misdeeds,associates
    with traitorus agendas,money bundlers.valid birth certificate,religion preference,corrupt money laundering,bribes,
    quid pro quo activities,false statements,donations to student cheer leaders,defamation of characters activities, voter fraud,staff corruption activities,street money schemes,foreign donors,oil co.lobby bundling,vile and deadly tactics to defame Hillary and dereliction of duty as a US Senator and illegally campaigning while ignoring the needs of his presence as a fulltime sitting employee of the people that elected him.
    Ther seems to be no end to the list of his misdeeds.Questions
    should also be asked of Mrs. Obama and her sudden 130 percent raise at her health care job upon Obama’s election to the IL
    senate.Of course ther is always REZKO and all of BO muslim and Arab bankrollers.Is this whwt America needs as a President?
    The DNC leadership denied Hillary her rightful elected winner of the voters of this country.Dean.Pelosi,Brazille and Co. should also be charged with election fraud.
    I will support McCain and Palin a woman That I no little about but I trust her.My heart still belongs to our Hillary and will support her as the senate majority leader and see her as our 45 th President.
    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON TO
    FIX OUR VILLAGE” and I am willing to wait for it to happen sooner or later,Justice will be served.

    BY ABM90

  83. confloyd, She hasn’t been called to do that. Some people here are worried that she will, but she won’t. I guarantee that she’ll keep her criticism about policies and nothing else. She’s not stupid.

  84. ABM90, I hope someday justice will be served in this travesty of a primary. This whole primary has been a sham and an expensive one at that!

  85. Paula, I hope it is that simple, but I watched as they escorted Hillary down to give up her only chance to win away to the fraud. There is something there, blackmail or something very senister.

  86. I agree. However, sometimes women who have accepted their jobs and all the responsibility will always do what is necessary to save the group.
    ———————————————-
    But if you save an evil group and destroy yourself in the process and you are good, then have you not become an accomplice? The reaction which Chaz mentioned above is something Hillary has to consider, and it marks the outer boundary of how far she can go to help him. Above all she must not lose her credibility with supporters who have believed in her, fought for her and know what a fraud this guy is. They have some idea that she is not calling the shots but they also look for leadership.

  87. [quote]If the republicans knew Sarah #’s were good months ago, why didn’t the Dem’s know know that Hillary’s were also up and BO’s was down??[/quote]

    I realized early this year that the DNC was never going to allow Clinton to be nominated. I fully expect an organized effort by the DNC to pour money into a NY primary challenge in an attempt to take away her Senate seat. I don’t think it’s possible to overstate the Hillary hatred in the Dean/Pelosi/Brazille/Obama Democratic Party.

  88. I find it interesting that all of a sudden I am hearing Hillary better not say anything negative about Palin. (not that she would)

    I say it’s the opposite. Like I stated early yesterday the republicans better not say anything negative about Hillary.

  89. I’m a day or two behind (has it only been two days?) so I’m still sorting out my feelings and seeing if there’s a reason behind them.

    Here’s how far I’ve got so far. Just posted this at WP


    Bravo McCain and Palin!

    I’m glad to see another gutsy bouncy Hillary-style woman up there. Palin’s talk about taking up Hllary’s crash of the glass ceiling was brilliant!

    There comes a time when identity politics is more important than transient issues. Palin is the right kind of woman! We can discuss the details with her later.

    We needed to get rid of Obama and the Pelosi/Brazile clique, but this makes it a pleasure!

  90. h t t p : / / voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/exclusive_chief_fired_by_palin.html

  91. This is why we have to show the DNC, Vote for John McCain, to get rid of Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, Kennedy, and don’t for get Al Gore. He also hates the Clintons. These people we have to show them we mean business. Do not take us for granted

  92. I had to listen to the idiot Dobson last evening make a sly comment about Hillary. He said” I always said I would not mind voting for a woman as long as its the right women, one with the right morals” My advice to John McCain, keep the nutcase rightwingers off the TV.

  93. confloyd Says:

    August 30th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
    You all keep talking about Hillary being called into duty to take out Sarah, where are you all hearing this???
    ——————————————–
    I saw it in an article posted last night and I proceeded to cuss the author of that article out like an Paris Island drill instuctor (USMC). Also there was an announcemt for the campaign that Hill would be campaigning for bo in states she won and the traditional democratic base groups.

  94. Neetabug, You are the first person that agrees with me that Al Gore’s hands are just as dirty as Dean/Pelosi/Brazille and Kennedy.

    I want them to lost the majority in the house the senate and the presidency. THen we can get rid of the rats.

  95. The Democratic party has changed. It is no longer the FDR party. I’m not sure what the new values are, but they don’t mesh with the old. It is beyond corrupt, it is facist. I don’t accept the values of the hard-left.

  96. They have to have something on her, I don’t think she would continue to do this unless they are threatening to take away her seat in New York or something worse.

  97. As nauseated as it makes me to say this, but I am now a Republican. I just hope they clean up their acts and help the middle class again!

  98. I find it interesting that all of a sudden I am hearing Hillary better not say anything negative about Palin. (not that she would)

    I say it’s the opposite. Like I stated early yesterday the republicans better not say anything negative about Hillary
    ———————————————
    Its both. It is contrary to their interest to trash Hillary.

  99. I’m sure her senate seat has been threatened. Btw, I agree that Gore was complicit in this. Silence speaks volumes.

    I hope, when Hillary campaigns for BO, she sticks to the issues, and does not tear Palin down.

  100. If HRC is planning to run in 2012, there is a very fine line with the Dems, until November.

    I think we all must be ready to face the fact that she might do things to keep it together until November.

    Even though she gave an unbelieveable speech, and mentioned his name 10 times, we all know that she really was not endorsing the guy.

    We need to keep that perspective as she does what she had to do to get to November.

  101. wbboei:Its both. It is contrary to their interest to trash Hillary.

    I guess it depends on whether the republicans really care if they get the Democratic women. Maybe it was all about getting repub women and dem women are a bonus.

  102. Wbboei, OH F*&K!
    ——————————————–
    Confloyd: just to be clear–I am making an assumption that they will ask her to do it to take the heat off biden. Thus, I am trying to marshall the reasons why she should not. I am not saying it is a fait acompli by any means. As you know, my only goal is to see HRC become president. But there are huge pitfalls along the way and I dont want her to fall into one. Will call/

  103. If she campaigns here in Ohio, this will be the one time i will not go to see her. Not after all the things she said about O, and then turns around and campaign for him. It will make me wonder about her. How can she stand there an try to tell us about O when in her heart she knows she is lying. I am now country first, party second.

  104. dedfg Says:

    August 30th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
    ———————————————
    An important exception to what I just said. If either republican uses her words in the primary against bambi in the general election then she needs to come out swinging hard. Otherwise, I think policy oriented attacks as opposed to ad hominum ones work best for Hillary.

  105. wbboei: yes, it makes sense to attack their policies only. (if you do need to say something negative that is)

  106. neetabug

    I have to agree with you, I will not go to see her either. However, People caught in abusive situation, many times do this.

    It is like when the wife who is beaten must testify in course, and changes her story. Being a sitting Democratic Senatory from NY, one who’s next goal might be Senate leader, you are going to do what you have to do until you get more power.

    So I agree with you, I understand, but I will not witness it.

  107. went toan article on palin at abc.com. sick. quotes like “bt palin’s hubby must have a great time. she opens her legs alot that beauty queen.”
    “plain has no experience except for gettin laid”
    all signed obama/biden

  108. Well, if she just repeats her speech at the convention OK, I just don’t want her to do Sarah, what was done to her. I don’t think she will, but I just hope they don’t force her. THey must know we are on to them, threatening Hillary with her Senate seat. THey need to be careful threatening her with stuff like that, its corruption and the two mavericks may not like that!

    I don’t know why she doesnt disown her party just like Lieberman did, he still has his seat and so would Hillary. They love her in New York.

  109. If she campaigns here in Ohio, this will be the one time i will not go to see her. Not after all the things she said about O, and then turns around and campaign for him. It will make me wonder about her. How can she stand there an try to tell us about O when in her heart she knows she is lying. I am now country first, party second.
    ———————————————-
    Neeta-I would not go either. But again she worked hard to get things into that platform that were her ideas and he said them as if they were his. For example, she proposed univeral health care, got it in the platform, she said he would say it and he did in his speech. Ditto on several other issues that are important to the American People. She will always fight to us, never doubt that. It is the reaction of her supporters I worry about.
    If she says vote for him because he is the nominee of the party and i will always support the party that is de riguer. But they will push her to go further if they feel they need to and that is when the issue will be joined.

  110. What is amazing to me that that the Dem leadership can come out and say we need to stay with them because the own women’s issues and are the best party for women, yet in the very same breath they threw the primary to a loser as a vendetta against the other candidate that could have really help the working women and men. The sons of bitches are so out of touch with the common people it just blows me away. Vendetta’s is why this happened and it is the only freaking reason!!

  111. I can still hear her saying McCain has the experience to be president and she has the experience. All O has is speeches

  112. I think that Hillary will simply challenge Palin on any departures from her beliefs regarding the way to go with the economy, foreign affairs, etc…

    Any contrasts that Hillary does not agree with will be a part of her dialogue.

    I do not believe she will go personal or try Obama-gender-race tactics. That is just not Hillary Clinton.

  113. confloyd Says:

    August 30th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    Vendetta’s is why this happened and it is the only freaking reason!!

    Confloyd, so true

  114. The irony here is that Hillary is all powerful on the one hand and she seems to have little power.

    Its like gullivers travels–where the giant is overwhelmed by midgets–or liliputians I guess.

    I was reading an old New York Times article. Some of this has to do with the fact that she is still a junior senator–number 36 of 48 and that means chairman have alot of power over your fate and to be effective you need colleagues to sign on your bill. The article made a point that it will be a cold day in hell before she signs on a dodd bill but who knows.

  115. HRC is not in the same situation as Liberman.

    1. He was up for reelection, and he stepped out of his party after losing the Primary, and was able to win it in a GE

    2. Thus he was actually elected as an Independent.

    3. HRC is in the middle of her term as a Dem Senator, and cannot step out and be Independent in the middle of it.

  116. went toan article on palin at abc.com. sick. quotes like “bt palin’s hubby must have a great time. she opens her legs alot that beauty queen.”
    “plain has no experience except for gettin laid”
    all signed obama/biden
    ———————————————
    Bambi is the one who hired 400 bloggers. I would throw these statements back in his face and ask him whether he agrees with them and if not why over the course of 18 months he has failed to condemn them.

  117. DemRats are fools. Instead of pointing to the future with their VP candidate and trying to capture the WH for 16 or more years, they have shot themselves in the foot with the current ticket.
    On the contrary, look at McCain.

    “Additionally, John McCain has a unique opportunity to present the future of the Republican Party in his vice presidential selection. All of this indicated a strong dedicated conservative that would be outside of the box and Sarah Palin headed that list along with her appeal to social and fiscal conservatives and her moving life story.

  118. At STJ funeral i was reminded looking at congress walking into the auditorium, thinking all seemed to have such good things to say about STJ. I wondered how many had given her hell. I reminded myself the last time i spoke with Stephanie, i told her how much i admired her for sticking with Hillary. She told me i just didn’t know what she was going thru,the threats for supporting Hillary. She said when she promise someone something she keeps her word. I wondered how many in that audience had threatened her. Now it was like we loved you Stephanie. Nothing but good words. I hope it eats at their SOUL. They gave her pure hell, for supporting someone she believed in. Not because of race, because of experience

  119. Neetabug, I feel so sorry for Stephanie and her family, I guess those thugs really gave her a hard time. If she had blood pressure problems and was easily excitable, then those people committed murder.

  120. How fitting that one of the networks is airing the Michael Skakel murder trial. A Kennedy that is a murderer, lets see there are two murderers, one rapist (that we know of), and a bunch of philanderers. These are the people the democrats look up to. RIght!

  121. When Louis Stokes spoke he said he was 83 yrs old and live to see this day. He help Stephanie to get her seat in congress. I wondered if he was one of the ones who she was talking about

  122. Greta has a new live discussion on PUMA and whether the Dem convention helped ‘unify’ the party.

    h t t p : / / gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/puma/#comment-1716075

    Very easy posting, goes right up on top.

  123. McCain campaign’s smart move.
    ———————————

    ST. PAUL, Minn. – Likely GOP presidential nominee John McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, are traveling to Mississippi on Sunday to check on people getting prepared for Hurricane Gustav.

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    Their trip comes just as delegates are preparing for the Republican National Convention, which begins Monday.

    Aides say McCain and his wife Cindy will join Palin in traveling to Jackson, Miss., Sunday at the invitation of Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour because of concerns about people threatened by the storm, which was heading into the Gulf of Mexico and menacing the same area ravaged by Hurricane Katrina three years ago. The storm could hit the United States as early as Monday afternoon.

    The McCains and Palin will receive a briefing at the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency — a permanent operations center monitoring hurricane response.

    Republicans are worried about holding their national convention during the storm.

    If the storm’s landfall is serious, McCain said he probably would rethink allowing the four-day political gathering to continue.

    “It just wouldn’t be appropriate to have a festive occasion while a near tragedy or a terrible challenge is presented in the form of a natural disaster,” McCain said in an interview taped Saturday with “Fox News Sunday.” “So we’re monitoring it from day to day, and I’m saying a few prayers, too.”

    President Bush was criticized after Katrina struck in August 2005 because he stuck to a schedule that took him from his ranch in Texas on a two-day trip to Arizona and California. There, he promoted a Medicare proposal while making just scant references to Katrina even as it slammed the Gulf Coast. Bush even happily strummed a guitar backstage at one event. He did not return to Washington until two days after the storm and did not visit the region until five days after.

    The Bush White House was badly burned by its fumbling response after Katrina. Bush’s image as a strong leader has never entirely rebounded, even though he has labored to improve on the Katrina performance.

  124. Idunn Says:
    August 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    SKMF…nah. I’m not even sure it WAS admin, and even if it was…well, there should be a respect for a persons anonymity, you know?

    (spoken like the ghost I am)

    ===========

    LOL, agree. Let’s put up baby pictures of Hillary, Elenor Roosevelt, etc etc….

    If Admin really is a man, that should flush him. 🙂

  125. I was just over at the DNC blog and the idiots are pist that McCain has put forth such an inexperienced candidate. This people, are they delirous or what? THey need some serious psychiatric care!

  126. McCain and Palin go to Mississippi out of respect and worry for the people in the path of such horrendous weather.

    Obama and his wife go to a funeral for a highly respected woman and let it turn into a pep rally.

    An Obama DNC supporter suggests that it’s wonderful that New Orleans could be hit again just as the Republican Convention is slated to begin…says its great timing for the Dems.

    What is wrong with this picture?

  127. jan: I was reading the comments on Greta Wire, and apparently BO did not mention the hurricane.

    I can’t believe the democratic party is so ruined. It is very sad.

  128. I just got a smear piece by email from a former HRC supporter, who is folding in.

    It was really bad. Do I just delete it or get it to someone so they can defend against it.

    I don’t want to put it on the blog, and I am afraid it will have more of a life than it has.

  129. Most of the people unhappy with the Palin pick, are democrats. That ought to tell you something. Palin is very conservative, and I don’t agree with, all of her values, but right now, the Republicans are acting like grown-ups, while the democrats are destroying the party. Maybe, they wanted to destroy it. Who knows.

  130. birdgal,

    Why does that not surprise me?

    Oh wait! I’m sure he’ll be forgiven for this one as well.

    His crimes sure keep adding up!

  131. Gustav

    11PM update is up. It is just exiting Cuba, and it has gone down to 140, which is still Cat 4 (went down 10 MPH). We will know in the morning if it reaches Cat 5 as it will be over warm water tonight.

  132. hubby’s hospital here in San Antonio now has him on standby (he’s a doc). They are designated as an evacuation hospital for the Texas coast, and if Gustav shifts at all, they will be evacuating patients to here. It looks like it is going to be bad, but they learned a lot with Katrina, and Texas is gearing up to help carry the load again if need be.

  133. Tried to send it to McCain at his website and got an error.

    Does anyone have a direct email I can forward it to?

  134. I posted this at another site on a thread about Palin.

    I think McCain chose her primarily bc she neutralized the DC insider argument BO makes against McCain (his strongest one). The upshot is that McCain ripped the “change” mantle from BO’s thieving hands.

    I will also state this much to the chagrin of XXXXXXXX I’m sure, but there are some on this board who have a bad case of CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome). I’m a Hillary supporter, sure. But I am an American first and I believe with every fiber of my being that BO is unprepared to be POTUS and that he has a very scary past full of dangerous people and a lifetime of using people for his own ego’s satisfaction.

    I like Palin. If she were a he, I’d still like Palin. I have always respected McCain in spite of his party’s record for the last 30 years. He’s not cut from the same mold as Bush, Delay or Gingrich. He has a long history of bi-partisanship which has cost him- probably cost him the nomination in 2000. Regardless, he’s not your average bear and neither is Palin. The resignation from the Oil Conservation Board while calling out the chair (and head of the GOP in Alaska) for ethics violations is A-OK with me. Maybe she did pressure someone to fire her former BiL. I sorta agree with that choice. Anyone who’d taser an 11 yo should not have a badge and a gun. Period.

    And so what if he’s pandering to women. At least someone wants our vote and isn’t treating us like the stereotypical abusive BF who says, “Sho’ try to leave B@#$%. You got no place else to go. Just try it.”

    I will not be black-mailed with Roe. I will not be blackmailed by a party who expressly said my vote and my issues weren’t important.

    I own my vote. And so do a whole lot of men and women fed up with the farce of the Democratic Party. Bow at the Temple of Narcissus at your own peril.

  135. MIdem,

    HEre are some links that might interest you; haven’t checked them myself.

    is Dr. Robert Godwin who addressed The “Obamabot” topic yesterday, August 29, 2008, in a post entitled “The Fantasy-Based Community and their Messiah” at http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/ . Dr. Godwin is a bit of a mystic too boot so I’ll also recommend Dr. Pat Santy, who is returning to blogging. She can be found here: http://drsanity.blogspot.com/ . Dr. Santy has written extensively on these topics as have NeoNeoCon here http://neoneocon.com/ and Dr. Alfred Adler here: http://sigcarlfred.blogspot.com/ .

  136. Thanks birdgal for helping me figure this out.

    I have a personal policy of not forwarding stuff like like that regardless of who I support.

    However, other people feel it is OK.

    How the Dems have deteriorated in my eyes, and how the Reps have come up. I almost feel like I am in a dream.

  137. In all the hoopla over OMG HE PICKED A WOMAN!!, I am beginning to wonder if the stupid Obama is missing the forest for the trees.

    Gee, McCain picked a running mate who is as far outside the political back-scratching favor circuit as one can get. He picked someone who has a squeaky clean history of being a reformer, when it comes to political favors and kickbacks.

    Why on earth would he do that? Could it have anything to do with the fact that Obama is neck-deep in the entrenched and notorious favor-trading of the Chicago Combine, and the Repubs are sitting on TONS of juicy info about that whole little sordid sewer from which this guy arose?

    So while the bots are all focused on “OMG SHE HAS TEH ICKY VAGIIIINAAAAA! IT WAS A FEMALE PANDER PICK!!!,” the Repubs are laughing their asses off at the REAL agenda behind this pick.

    I would not be in the least surprised. And BTW, I LOVE me some gun-totin’, take-me-or-leave-me, get-yer stinkin-cronyism-outta-my-face woman. I like that a whole lot.

  138. Now the Obama lots are saying – her fifth child is really her grandchild and she had hidden that and they will uncover this.

  139. secret: I read that on another blog. All I can say: It is vile garbage and slander. Don’t they think the RNC vetted this woman? For crissakes, the woman is breast feeding, or did.

  140. mccainand palin in pa. some hillary supporters in crowd boo palin when she mentions hillary-
    http:/ /news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080831/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc_113

  141. Whenever anyone mentions the investigation going on in Alaska, my response is: Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Auchi, and the Chicago political machine. Most of this is going on with democrats, so Palin must be considered a threat.

  142. Thanks guys for clearing up – I was terribly annoyed at the slander. Silly idiots. I don’t care for Mccain or Palin. But, I just cannot stand Obama. I want him to lose. I want DNC to lose face & I want liberal media to eat their words. I want to switch on TV to all these liberal leftist creeps and laugh when Obama loses. That is what motivates me.

  143. good letter okie,

    for myself, i have no choice but to be over hillary,
    sad but true.

    we parted ways, when she joined the obama
    train. i’m not saying she doesnt have reason, i
    really dont know.
    but then again, i really dont care now, the point
    is moot.

    like you, i dont find mccain as offensive as obama,
    and i remember all the times he tried to be open
    minded, and got shit for it.

    and like you, i would like palin even is she was a
    he, but the icing on the cake is, SHE IS A WOMAN.

    GOOD FOR YOU MCCAIN, AND GOOD FOR ME…
    I FEEL A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT BETTER, ABOUT
    VOTING REPUBLICAN, AND DUMPING THE NEW
    UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY…

    infact, i’m tipping my glass to the new turn of
    events as we speak…

  144. Guys,
    I seriously doubt HRC will go after Sarah personally. She simply won’t. She won’t be arm twisted into doing that. I know DNC thugs are capable of doing that. I agree with you that she has to do what she has to. But, she has built her campaign on being champion of women & working class American family. I bet she wouldn’t do anything that jeopardizes that. It is against her political interest to do so. She won’t do that.

  145. OH YEAH, and dont forget to bring champaign glasses as we toast, or roast admin, on monday
    labor day…

    BE THERE OR BE SQUARE… 😀

  146. Hello Hillfriends…I am catching up so I have not yet read all the comments but let me concur than if Dems want to see sexism they need to start looking in the mirror…I know many of us used to also post at TM when it was pro Hillary…I don’t know why I still held out any hope there for civil discussion but as most know the place has deteroriated to the pitts…with about less than ten of the same posters keeping the place going by all agreeing with each other every other post and then slamming and insulting anyone who disagrees…the place is littered with Obama people slamming everyone but Obama, including hits at Hillary and Bill…to be fair, TM has posted a couple of posts to give respect to Hill and Bill…

    …today was the last straw for me because now it has become the epitome of sexism, including immature boys pontificating on when a woman should have sex while discussing women’s rights…a colossal joke…

    …my last missive to them as they thrashed McCain and Sara Palin nonstop is the following and from my POV goes for most of the Progressive blogsphere…

    I have one last comment on this subject and then I am out of here…the new den of sexism from the PROGRESSIVES…

    …if you want to use the talking point about McCain insulting women because Palin is no Hillary…then look in the mirror of the Democratic Party…

    …it wasn’t McCain who stopped Hillary from reaching the heights and the chance at the presidency she deserved…it was the Democrats…

    …it wasn’t McCain who stopped Hillary from taking her 18 million votes with her on the VP ticket to help Obama win the Presidency…it was the Democrats…

    …it was not McCain who stopped the most prepared and competent female politician currently in American politics from charging on to participate in the upcoming debates and expressing a female POV…it was the Democrats…

    …so put the blame where the blame belongs…the Democrats cut Hillary off at the knees…

    …that does not mean that McCain has to be stupid and not try to capitalize on all the enthusiasm and involvement that has awakend the sleeping giant of the women in this country…Hillary brought it out of them…but for many…that spirit is not going back in the bottle…and that energy will find its own identity…this election is about change…in more ways than one…

    …so Democrats have lost the high ground when it comes to complaining about another woman getting a chance to play with the big boys…and the threat of Roe V Wade by the Dems is no longer enough to keep us all hostage…this is not 1973…that dog won’t hunt for all of us anymore…

    …it was the Far Left that were and still are the worst culprits of sexism during this election season…it was the hypocrites on the left that had the sharpest knives out to cut up Hillary until she bled to suspend her campaign…

    so please, spare me the whining going on because the opposition is tuning into the power of women…this whining is right about one thing…women are not stupid…we do not have to all agree with each other or fall into line and support one another…

    …but we do not have to stand in each other’s way and deny each other an opportunity either..

    …when I hear and read all this crap pointed at Palin, my response is, what did you want, just another man? yeah, that would be PROGRESSIVE…

    …what are you all afraid of? Like Hillary said, it wasn’t all about her…the glass ceiling is about all women, not just Democratic women, of which I am one…Hillary pushed the door open for all women…and Palin’s opportunity, especially if she represents herself well, is good for all women…the next one will probably be another Democrat…and then the next, etc…this is how we continue to break ceilings and barriors…not by snide sniping…

    I am so sick of the hypocrisy of our side, all in the name of winning, we are selling our principles out…the lies, the distortions, the outright fraud and corruption, ie DNC and roll call BS…if this is what a new Dem is about I will simply evolve into an independent based on principles and not spin and stupid talking points…

    …last night I happen to catch an interview with Palin and Maria Barthalenova or whatever her name is on CNBC…Palin was extremely articulate, speaking very fluidly about energy policy and conservation…there was no stuttering, no lofty rhetoric…she was clear and informed and confident…and she answered the questions, she did not evade…

    no- uhs, duh, uh, pause, uh…no teleprompter..the woman was smart and I learned something listening to her…

    …are you all so afraid of losing an election that you cannot even listen to a smart woman, whether you agree or not, and give her an opportunity to express herself in a political world dominated with the same male voices…over and over again…

    and the saddest part is much of the harping is coming from, you guessed it, democratic women…they are essentially saying they want to shut down a woman who might not agree with them…that is not PROGRESSIVE, that is narrow minded and small minded

    I do think Palin is refreshing…is this what you are afraid of with your attacks…

    …too bad our side, the Dems, are the party going backwards and denying women, especially as I repeat, the best one of both parties who we had to represent us and instead we shut her down and sent Hillary back into submission…after we make her march to the guillotine to give up her delegates to appease a rigged roll call…

    …don’t complain because the other side has the good sense to capitalize and find a smart woman in their camp that appeals to their POV…

    if Dems are becoming this hypocritical and narrow minded…this is not the Democratic party I have admired…

    …I think for myself…I do not need any PUMA group or Democratic party to decide or exploit my choices for me…

    …and I suggest evolved women and men rise above this ‘petty politics’ their supposed Democratic nominee has been running on…and start acting like true PROGRESSIVES instead of a bunch of hypocrites that are a reflection of those they complain about…the PROGRESSIVES have met the enemy and it is becoming them…

  147. HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 12:11 am
    birdgal, it is a little difficult to be breastfeeding if you haven’t been pregnant.

    That’s why the bots are kooks and idiots.

  148. skmf12, I was going to ask you how you are coping with Hillary’s loss? How did you feel? I am still not over it. It seems like I am living in a parallel universe. Now, if I wish for anything – it is for DNC, Liberal Leftist media and Obama thugs to say – we were wrong. Hillary was right – Obama cannot win. Do you reckon – any chance of that happening? Wishful thinking, you think?

  149. Secret,

    I copy with Hillary’s loss by helping make sure BHO will lose landslide in Nov. if he wins Hillary will be done.

  150. HEY SECRET!

    WATZ UP?
    remember when i was united12?

    so, i will be glad when you post on monday, about
    admin and 44 in the biggining…
    you will be here wont you secret?

    CATHARSIS SECRET, we need a cathartic moment.
    isnt that what hillary said?

  151. skmf12,
    Absolutely, I remember you as united12.
    Yes, I will be here on Monday. I love this site & ADMIN way too much. I never posted because I was too depressed to post. But, I read.

    skmf12, I am afraid I will not have a catharsis unless I see BHO lose.

    I am not sure if that will happen. I am not sure how I will cope if he is elected. I may go off news for 4 to 8 years.

  152. SECRET,

    it is weird, i’ve said it here before, but i will tell
    you again now.
    i feel a love/hate relatiionship with hillary

    you know, i started having weird feelings, or should
    i say hopes, you know?
    like i thought, this couldnt be true, there has to be
    a reason that hillary has done an about face. she
    must have this secret motive for supporting obama.
    she above anybody, disrespected obama and all
    he stood for…

    so everyday, i thought well, something will come out
    about obama, or the delegates are all faking being
    in obamas camp…
    i mean, i just kept believing, there had to be something more to it.

    over the months, i’ve fallen out of love with the
    democratic party, i was born in the month of
    november, as was hillary. one of our traits is loyalty.
    our party was not loyal to us, and now i am no longer loyal to them…

    but see here is the problem, hillary stopped being
    loyal to us, and now i am no longer loyal to her.
    i still care about her, because i dont have the definitive answer, as to why hillary betrayed 18million voters. there may be a good answer, and i want
    there to be. but for now, it is repulsive.

    i have found alot of bad in people during this election,
    but i am most proud of the millions of people, that
    have stood up and called the democratic party on
    their corruption. i am most proud to see that there
    are so many people that wont compromise their
    morals or beliefs…

    its been awhile since people took themselves out of
    their way to right a wrong in politics…

    so anyway secret, yes, it is an outer limit moment in
    time. but it is what it is, there is no do over, and there is no secret play. i am left feeling empty, but
    trust me when i tell you, there are much more heartbreaking things that can happen to a human, than losing a favorite candidate.

    and you secret?

  153. The Palin announcement caught the Obama campaign off-guard and they have been unable to properly respond, because they didn’t have a real file on her. From NYT:

    ———–
    Mr. Obama’s advisers said that compared with the mountains of data they had gathered on Mr. Pawlenty and Mr. Romney, they had far less information on Ms. Palin. Their dossier consisted of a thin document based mainly on her run for governor and newspaper clips.

    Aides said the party staff members and allies in Alaska would sort through public documents relating to Ms. Palin’s time in the governor’s mansion, her two terms as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, and her two terms as a member of the Wasilla City Council.

  154. Admin quoted:

    Just hours after his campaign issued a first statement yesterday ripping the addition of Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket, Barack Obama backed away from that statement — or at least its tone — and said that his own campaign had misrepresented him.

    Obama often speaks of how important his staffers are to his bid and would be to his administration, and he’s praised them for covering for each others’ mistakes. But in the heat of the campaign, he’s publicly called them out for everything from missing an event to misrepresenting his policy positions to using his office to aid a donor.
    ===========

    Obama’s consistent, recurring behavioral pattern of “just blame it all on the staff” proves two things. First, Obama never takes personal responsibility for his own mistakes. Second, even if a staff member made the mistake, it shows that Obama can’t manage his own team, and is a poor leader.

  155. skmf12,
    Thanks for writing exactly what you feel. I respect that.
    As far me – I was in this election just for Hillary and unshamedly so just for Hillary. Period. I don’t have to pretend I was in this for any of the causes she espoused. I was a Clinton supporter period. I thought Dem Party is a tedious and ineffective partry. This was my background.

    So, when Hillary lost – as much as I loved her – I lost interest anymore in watching her news – except for the convention speech. There, I liked her speech – not what she said – but how she said. I like her personality. I like her toughness, ability to move on, her guts – these are the things that I like and of course she looks great.

    I have to tell you I think she has to do what she has done. Otherwise it is hard for her political future. I understand that and she understands that nothing can be done now about what has happened.

    So, I get that. I have never hated Hillary – I have become numb or shall we say indifferent to what she is saying. Period.

    What do I want?
    Obama to lose. Let’s see what I happens after that.

    But, will I get what I want? seriously? The answer to that is I don’t know.

    It is very hard to put your heart and soul into a campaign for 18 months and to lose and undemocratically so. Almost robbed.

    My only consolation is – Hillary had put more of her time, effort, money, for more than 18 months and she lost and she had to do the unthinkable to support her enemy.

    So, I should draw some comfort from her suffering more than I do.

    It takes emotional distance to get over. I think if Obama won. It will take me couple of years easily to get over this. I am preparing myself for that. It will be a travesty. But, hey – if this year has taught me anything – it is – expect the unexpected!!

  156. barricudas done just bite-they literally bite off limbs in one swoop. palin is pretty and nice-but if mccain lets her be she will tke obama to task, smile and wait for the backlash on obama as axelrod sends out some reactionary hate filled response on palin. more bitters please

  157. secret,

    i see an opportunity here, if mccain wins, four years
    from now, hillary can come back and run again…

    that is, IF, hillary doesnt burn bridges with her
    supporters now. her meat and potatoe dems, will
    wait for her, unless they think she has sold her
    soul, to obama for some gain…

    but yes, if obama wins, we will all need to fly our
    flags at half mast, cause we wont be in kansas
    anymore dorothy…..

  158. Obama hates small town america and women.

    Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
    His remarks are elitist and out of touch.”

    I guess he never learns he sends his attack dogs out
    Spokesman Bill Burton:
    “Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency…

    Now The One decides to come out after he had sent his attack dogs out to do his dirty work as usual flip-flopping Hussein wants to take it back.

    Obama and Biden released a joint written statement earlier congratulating Palin, saying she was “an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign.”
    But a campaign also issued a statement that called into question her experience. “Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency,” wrote spokesman Bill Burton. “Gov. Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same.”

    Obama appeared to dismiss Burton’s statement. “I think that … campaigns start getting these, uh uh, hair triggers, and the statement that Joe and I put out reflects our sentiments,” Obama said
    When asked about the contradiction in the tone of the two statements.

    BHO’s campain;s statement – ‘Palin is heartbeat away from being President’ is VERY INSULTING and shows their ‘REAL CLASS’. This statement alone is enough for Americans to know BHO’s values. Obama’s campaign is saying that McCain put someone “inexperienced” a “heartbeat” away from the presidency. Guess what, the Dems just put inexperience IN THE PRESIDENT SLOT.

  159. they say life pales, after walking on the moon…

    i understand, i an trying to be philasophical about
    the whole thing, cause that is how i am coping…

    but you know what? f*ck it!
    the truth is, it sucks!
    i wanted hill, i wanted bill…
    i thought they could change the world and bring
    back the good old days. and they would have.

    instead we have obama, who cheated…
    and no matter how loud we scream it, no one is
    listening, no one cares, and it pisses me off!

    now i will do all i can to defeat the cheater!
    if it means joining the enemy, well you know what
    they say, my enemies enemy, is my friend.

    peace…

  160. marie, so they are saying we should worry about experience if mccain dies, but not worry about experience if Obama lives.

    They think people are stupid. People are not that stupid, and every time they bring it up, it only reminds people that he has no resume either – even less than she.

  161. hey dnc-woried yet. mccain has electrified his party. look at this rally in pa
    Palin greeted by raucous Pa. rally
    By LISA LERER & CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 8/31/08 12:56 AM EST Text Size:

    Washington, Pa.—If Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s first day on the campaign trail is any indication, the Republican base has finally been energized.

    Money is pouring in—the McCain campaign collected $4.7 million in contributions since announcing Palin would be John McCain’s running mate Friday morning—and voters turned out in force Saturday in southwestern Pennsylvania, with some waiting four hours in the hot sun to get a glimpse of the 44-year-old mother of five whose selection shocked the political world

    Even before she took the microphone, the audience hollered, clapped, and whistled their approval of the little known Alaska governor, often interrupting the other speakers with chants of “Sarah.”

    Tom Ridge, the former governor of Pennsylvania and a close friend of McCain, introduced Palin to the crowd gathered at Consul Energy Park, a minor league baseball stadium in Washington, Pa.

    “Leave it to my friend John to say you know it’s about time the Republican party put a woman on the ticket,” said Ridge, who was once rumored to be under consideration himself for the vice presidential slot. “And not just any woman, she’s a hockey mom.”

    McCain gave her another round of compliments, with introductory remarks frequently interrupted by chants of “Sarah.”

    The presumptive Republican nominee stressed Palin’s blue-collar roots and her husband’s union membership.

    “She knows what it’s like to worry about mortgage payments, and health care and the cost of gasoline and groceries,” said McCain.

    And, once again, McCain portrayed Palin as an outsider and a reformer ready to take on the broken politics of Washington.

    “She knows where she comes from and she knows who she works for,” said McCain. “She stands up for what’s right and doesn’t let anyone tell her to sit down.”

    When Palin took the microphone, the audience greeted almost every line with thundering applause.

    “I was just your average hockey mom in Alaska,” Palin told the audience, describing her rise from self-described PTA mom to vice presidential nominee. “I never really set out to be involved in public affairs.”

    One line, however, was very poorly received. When Palin praised Hillary Clinton for “determination and grace” during her presidential run, the audience booed.

    Nevertheless, women in the audience seemed to echo the sentiments often expressed by Clinton supporters during the Democratic primary. They praised Palin for her toughness, her organization, and her ability to balance family with a stressful work life.

    “I was so excited when I first heard the rumors,” said Connie Lawrence, a 36-year-old Republican from outside of Pittsburgh who said Palin has already won her vote. “She’s just amazing.”

    Campaigning Saturday in Ohio, Obama shied away from directly criticizing the newest addition to the Republican ticket, reflecting a campaign strategy to refrain from direct attacks on Palin. Instead, surrogates went on the offensive against Palin.

    “Barack Obama and John McCain had one major test of their judgment” in the campaign, said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) at an evening rally in Dublin, Ohio. “John McCain chooses someone who is a mayor of a town of 7,000 people, then was elected governor, has been governor of a state for 18 months, a governor of a state that has half the population of Franklin County and yet she is going to be a heartbeat away from president.”

    The crowd, which booed at the mention of Palin, began yelling: “No way!”

    “No way, no way is right,” Brown said. “On the other hand, in his first exercise of good judgment, Barack Obama chose Joe Biden… John McCain’s 26 years in the U.S. Senate certainly hasn’t helped him build good judgment.”

    In a “60 Minutes” interview scheduled to air Sunday, Obama said he has never met Palin, but “she seems to have a compelling life story.”

    “Obviously, she’s a fine mother and an up-and-coming public servant,” Obama said. “So, it’s too early for me to gauge what kind of running mate she’ll be. My sense is that she subscribes to John McCain’s agenda. And ultimately, this [election] is going to be about where I want to take the country and where Joe Biden wants to take the country, and where John McCain and his running mate want to take the country.”

    Asked at a press conference Saturday night to respond to McCain’s argument that Palin has more executive experience than the Democratic ticket, Obama and Biden laughed.

    “I think you guys can take a look at Gov. Palin’s record, Joe Biden’s record and make your judgment in terms of who you think has what it takes to be an outstanding vice president,” Obama said after the Dublin rally. “I feel confident about my choice.”

    Carrie Budoff Brown reported from Dublin, Ohio.

  162. palin on abortion-seems not eage to impose her views on the people
    By The Fault

    Sarah Palin on Abortion
    August 30th, 2008 1:57 pm
    When running for Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin was asked the following question regarding her views on abortion: If Roe v. Wade were overturned and states could once again prohibit abortion, in your view, to what extent should abortion be prohibited in Alaska?

    Under this hypothetical scenario, it would not be up to the governor to unilaterally ban anything. It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.

    Her own personal convictions aside, it doesn’t seem like she would impose them on everyone else.

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  163. marie, so they are saying we should worry about experience if mccain dies, but not worry about experience if Obama lives.
    ———————————————
    HillaryForTexas: nice turn of a phase.

    Sara Palin has more experience in the executive branch of government than bambi and blowharder combined, In fact the gold dust twins have on exective experience, so they had better get back to the experiece doesn t count its judgment argument but they are in even deeper trouble there.

    I was told today that Joe Biden commutes to Washinton DC by train, it takes him 4 hours and the ticket costs 192 dollars per day. Time managenent and cost control are not his strong suits. I also understand he takes long lunches. Sounds like a 2 hour workday, so his productivity is amazing as well. I live for the day he gets caught in the train loop like the Kingston Trio song, lets see how does it go:

    Did Joe ever return (home)
    No he never returned
    And his fate is still unlearned
    He will ride forever
    On the AmTrak special
    Hes the man who never returned

    All I want to know is where can I get a pair of those gaudy senate cufflinks that he wears and pounds on the table when Judge Bork is at the witness table. President Biden that has got a rotten ring to it. But so does BwwwwwaaaakkkAmerica,

  164. No wonder he is the poorest senator, he spends all his money on the amtrak. Well if he can’t manage his money, why would I want him to manage mine??? What is the average senator’s salary now anyway? Last I heard it was about 176,000. I guess he doesnt work 5 days a week because thats about 1000. a week for transportation. The long lunch is probably a nap because he certainly has to get up early to make the train.

  165. HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 1:28 am

    marie, so they are saying we should worry about experience if mccain dies, but not worry about experience if Obama lives.

    LMAO good one

  166. Nice… from WaPo:

    —————-
    Friends Remember Tubbs Jones
    Obama, the Clintons Speak at Lawmaker’s Memorial Service

    By Shailagh Murray
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, August 31, 2008; A13

    DUBLIN, Ohio, Aug. 30 — Presidential candidates rarely linger anywhere. But Sen. Barack Obama spent nearly four hours Saturday inside a Cleveland church, attending a memorial service for Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D).

    He had impressive company. Former president Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton; Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his wife, Jill; and Michelle Obama also paid their respects to the late Democratic congresswoman, who died Aug. 20. Tubbs Jones was one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent African American supporters, an outspoken loyalist until the senator from New York dropped out of the race, when she switched to Obama.

    Obama paid homage to the bond between Clinton and Tubbs Jones. “During this most recent contest, Stephanie and I started off on different sides. We would see each other, and she would say to me, ‘This is what it means to be a friend’ — and all I could say is, ‘I understand’ — and that is a testimony to her and the kind of person she was,” Obama said.

    The senator from Illinois sat between Clinton and Cleveland Mayor Frank G. Jackson, with Bill Clinton on his wife’s other side. The Democratic primary candidates drew big standing ovations, with both Clintons rising to cheer Obama. After Hillary Clinton spoke, Obama rose to pat her on the back, shake her hand and kiss her on the cheek.

    Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), who endorsed Clinton in the primaries, spoke of Tubbs Jones’s actions in her final days to heal the Clinton-Obama rift, including flying back early from a vacation to meet with Obama in Cleveland. “Two leaders came together, and they talked, and she felt good about the conversation,” Meek said.

    Bill Clinton’s tribute included a reference to Obama as he recalled a visit to Cleveland, in which he spent time greeting schoolchildren:

    “There’s a 6-year-old who looks at me and says, ‘Are you really the president?’ And I said, ‘Yes, I am.’ And he said, ‘You’re not dead yet.’ And well, you know, he thought the president was George Washington or Thomas Jefferson — a president was a dead white guy. Thanks to you, Senator, no one will ever think that is the definition again,” Clinton said.

    As the crowd roared, Hillary Clinton and Obama both smiled and leaned toward each other, apparently exchanging a few friendly words.

  167. The blog was over the limit for a minute a while ago. I had to search for what news that could have broke to make it do that. They are talking about the stuff at the hospitals in Minnesota. There are two hospitals on lock down and others have been put on standby for mass casualties. What the hell is going on??

  168. Obama no longer the flavor of the month. Sexy Sadie is no longer the fad:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31vote.html?ref=politics

    Ian Bowman-Henderson scraped together $300 — cashing in his high school graduation checks — to pay for a round-trip plane ticket from Cincinnati to Denver for the Democratic National Convention. But as the week wore on, he said he was not sure if the money had been well spent.

    Mr. Bowman-Henderson, 19, and some other young voters who were part of the nucleus of Mr. Obama’s presidential bid said the convention process had left them marginalized as more centrist views on issues like offshore drilling took hold.

    “We understand the politics of compromise and that Senator Obama has to be the president of everyone, not just the president of youth,” Mr. Bowman-Henderson said. “But we picked him because we didn’t want the same kind of politics — that’s what set him apart.”

    —————————–

    And those efforts were further complicated with John McCain’s selection of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate. Governor Palin, at 44, lends the Republican ticket a youthful and historic feel. She may energize the conservative base of her party while also appealing to swing voters and younger Republicans.

  169. Wbboei, as per our conversation I saw a clip of Hillary at Stephanie’s funeral, she looked terrible. Huge bags under her eyes, hairdo not goo. I realize she was at one of her best friends funerals but she still looked bad.
    I also watched Obama turn his eulogy in to a campaign stop with slogans and all. The man has no heart at all.

    Apparently the Obamaroids believe God does not like the Republicans because he is sending a huge storm during their convention. I would like just say the opposite that the devil really loves the Obama campaign to send the republicans a bad storm to contend with during their convention. We all learned that God can’t send anything bad to anyone, all that stuff comes from the devil. WE all know who has the real evil in the party and this year the democrats are the ones that wins that honor!!

  170. on that question on palin and israel be vigilant. its an obama hit piece. the jpost talks to aipac and other jewish folks-they all say she is very friendly to the jewish people and israel..

    several politically active Alaskan Jews praised Palin’s ties to the community.

    “The Jewish community should be very excited that Sarah was selected. She has been very conscious of the Jewish community here in Alaska and now with the opportunity of her new position, she’ll have the opportunity to look at the Jewish community globally,” said Alaskan Republican Jewish Coalition member Terry Gorlick, who knows Palin well and has worked with her on several issues.

    “Sarah’s absolutely pro-Israel,” he said, referring to conversations with her and comments she’s made about Israel’s security and its importance to the United States. He noted that as governor she signed a resolution honoring Israel for its 60th birthday.

    David Gottstein, who is active with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Alaska, said he had spoken to the governor about arranging a trip to Israel, but scheduling conflicts had kept it from happening to date.

    “She has ties and interests in the Holy Land,” said Gottstein, who described her as someone who could be effective across party lines, noting that he worked well with her despite being a Democrat.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1219913200960&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

  171. NMfan — Hillary CAN change parties any time — not that she should or would.

    confloyd — There are NO Kennedy rapists — and not two murderers either. Let’s not tar that family with a broad and false brush.

    The game has changed. If I were Hillary, I would go on record warning the Dems that they will lose if they persist in this slash and burn strategy. When Obama fails, it should be Hillary who is on record saying, “I told you so.” Her career is no longer tied to abetting Obama. It should now be about trying to save the Dems from the debacle they seem intent on creating.

  172. freckles, Sorry to disagree with you but there have many brushes with the law, albeit they were acquinted, but exactly why would I believe the family name wasn’t used to acquit them. How could we forget Martha Moxley or Chappaquiddic. Ted him self was charge with manslaughter, to me thats murder. Michael Skakel is in prison for murdering Martha Moxley. They are Kennedy’s. THe rapist was Smith. Sorry, but I have lost no love for the Kennedy’s. Most of them should have been taken out of office long ago. Some however are good, Bobby’s children seem to be the best as was JFK’s and I don’t know about Ted’s children.

  173. Morning, all.
    I don’t want HRC campaigning for BO, either. I don’t understand how she can keep up this charade after the way brazile, pelosi, bo and destroyed her. She reminds me of the horse in the story Black beauty that died under the whip street after trying valiantly to pull a load too great for her strength.
    On another note, check this response to the Bo question about how many houses Palin adds to the Repubs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDQ-v1oOZvI

  174. confloyd — Smith was not a rapist. That was a political prosecution and he was acquitted. You can believe what you want but you can’t make up facts.

  175. I just believe there are Hillary loyalist out there that are in state of doubt and anger about the actions that she had to take and support BO.We are all second guessers and have no idea what
    the details are in her game plan.We of the most uninformed generation in political strategy due to MSM and our leaders are
    in control of the distribution of the sound bites and criticism that
    they want us to swallow.True or false is not even considered as long as we poor peons swallow it chew on it embellish and pass it along to friends and families.There is alwas the ever present rush by the hook swallowers to be first to get it out there in any shape and form.Truth is not considered.Plotical pain and gain
    is the rule Both parties are at fault for this activity.Please do not fault or doubt Hillary.There is no smarter and politicaly savay
    woman that is completely aware of the political climate and she must hold her cards close.I love and admire this wonderous
    woman that has the integrity,the skills,the honesty and the
    down right guts to take the horrible hits that she has been subjected to by her own party and that chief spear holder of
    the Restitution Revolution that he leads.There is no smarter political figure on the scene and I doubt wether we will ever see another Hillary Clinton,Brave,Unselfish,and so dedicated to the
    saving of our democracy and bringing peace and stability to
    this troubled and dangerous world.The DNC TITANIC is sinking
    and fast and we must prepare to start anew and our beloved
    Hillary and Bill must be once again at the helm of a new ship with a new name and anew set of charts to guide us back to sanity and see this new vessel guided home safely
    YES SHE CAN! YES SHE CAN! but she needs us as her crew and all the trust,faith and support we can give.Ther is no room in
    my life for you doubters and negative know it alls.Get a life and
    and get back in the fold for our GIRL.

    BY ABM90 Hope is Eternal and Doubts are destructive.

  176. ABM,
    I understand your position but after the way DNC robbed her in public on national TV during the roll call obscenity, after everyone knows SHE KNOWS that she was deliberately, methodically and gleefully deprived of her victory, after having been subjected to the psychological equivalent of being stoned to death I really can’t accept her capitulation to the fraudulent process.
    The only excuse I can find is if that she’s been beaten so badly it’s as if she’s suffered irreparable brain damage and doesn’t know wha she’s doing. :cry:i

  177. Gustav

    It has reduced to 120 Cat 3, still a strong storm, but at least at this point it is not at Cat 5. It looks like for now it is on the same course as yesterday.

  178. basil9

    I think she wants to hang in there, just like she did with Bill, and be there to pick up the pieces of the DEMs. Of course I have no inside information, but that is what I think is going on here.

    Whether she can do that or not we will see.

    She is a person that does not give up.

  179. NMF,
    I know what you mean but at this point distancing herself from the party doesn’t correlate with giving up, IMHO.
    I do think she might feel that public appearances telegraph strength whereas withdrawal would be perceived as weakness but this might be an opportune time for some family obligation, health concern or senate issue to allow her a graceful exit from the situation.
    Plus, she needs healing time, too.
    BTW – i responded to you at hawketales. 😀

  180. Watch Sarah go!! “Got nothin’ ta hide.”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/

    Incidentally, I’ve heard Obamabots say that Sarah had to ask what the vp does. Check out what she REALLY said and the context in which she’s saying it. She’s merely questioning what a vp CURRENTLY does, and weighing that against what she WANTS to do as Gov. Funny the way people can turn things on it’s head, huh?

  181. Idunn, well at least she asked.

    O does not know what a President does, nor does he care. What he wants is the name and the raiments of office, but not the job.

    Remember they have to hand him a piece of paper 15 minutes before he uses it.

  182. Sorry, I must still be asleep. Of course, Bush’s VP has been an exception.

    He is one of the few VPs who held the office that really ran the country. I guess he does not need to run for office as he has already performed there.

    I guess I just had to say that.

  183. Rasmassen report is out.

    O leads by the same number going into the Convention 3% which is statistically insignificant.

    I guess there was no bounce.

  184. When Carl Rove was advising BHO how to beat Hillary in the primary and how to distance himself from Rev wright I asked some senior Dems in my state and was told it was because repubs hate the clintons, but no it was because Carl knew BHO would the easier foe.
    BHO is toast people Hillary better plan her exit strategy because this cozyness with BHO wont endear her with me.

  185. HeXX I don’t know what will happen here, or how HRC will react in the long run.

    What I do know is she has been through not only one of the hardest campaign races I have ever seen, but she lost a friend to murder, and one to a sudden stroke or embulism, right at the end of the hardest fight. She has seen many loyal people screw her, and somehow she was able to keep it together, and give a great speech.

    I would have been down on the ground long ago. I even get angry at my family. So I really don’t know how she keeps it together and what she will do.

  186. Is there ANY scenario in which we might possibly get her back?

    What if Obama were in a car accident or something (not that I’m wishing that on him, of course)? But if he were, would HRC fill the nom spot automatically? or would it go to Biden? What would happen?

  187. Front page of NY Post has full page photo of Charlie Rangel asleep on a beach chair and a story about his villa in the dominican republican which he hasn’t reported income on.
    That’s the 2nd such Rangel revelation in the past few months, the other was about an apartment in NY he had a sweetheart deal on.

    Paybacks?

  188. Rasmassen report is out.

    O leads by the same number going into the Convention 3% which is statistically insignificant.

    I guess there was no bounce.

    ……………………………………

    and this the mix of polling over 3 days, so its Thurs, Fri and Sat numbers and Bambi only leading by three, worst convention bump ever.

    Come next week, he’ll be even lowerl and the republicans aint even opened their toy box yet.

  189. chaz I agree. It is time for Hill to point out to the Dems the error of their ways without mentioning herself. She must be able, if Obama loses, to have warned Dems and disapproved of their behaviour.

  190. http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=34836
    No Mention of MLK in Obama’s Speech
    Friday, August 29, 2008
    By Susan Jones, Senior Editor
    CNSNews.com) – Sen. Barack Obama did not mention Martin Luther King’s name as he accepted the Democratic presidential nomination Thursday night on the 45th anniversary of Dr. King’s famous “I Have a Dream” speech.

    Obama referred only to “a young preacher from Georgia,” who “45 years ago today brought Americans from every corner of this land to stand together on a Mall in Washington” where he spoke of his dream.

    “’We cannot walk alone,’ the preacher cried. ‘And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back,’” Obama later quoted “the preacher” as saying.

    The omission of King’s name offended some African-Americans. “It looks like he’s running from history,” the Associated Press quoted Dr. Cornel West, a professor of African-American studies and religion at Princeton University, as saying after the speech.

    “He couldn’t mention Martin, he couldn’t mention the civil rights movement, he couldn’t mention those who sacrificed and gave so much,” West said. “It’s very, very difficult to actually create a new world if you don’t acknowledge the world from which you are emerging.”

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson told the Associated Press that King’s most famous speech was being “reduced to a sound bite.”

    They will soon learn this selfish self-serving fraud doesnt like anyone soooooo
    more under the bus.

  191. One of the WORST things about Obama, imo , this that he seems incapable of genuinely acknowleging ANYONE who helped pave the way for him.

  192. Idunn,

    IMHO, BHO is a spoiled kid who relies on others to get what he wants. he wants Hillary unify the party for him because he is so cute. he wants AAs come out in force to vote for him because he is so cute. He wants the country elect him to be the president because he is so cute.

  193. A few comments,

    If Hillary didn’t look glamorous at the funeral it is completely understandable. The loss of such a close friend does that to normal people who have feelings.

    Good on McCain to use his delegates to help in this crisis. That is the way to slap Obama in the face.

    Thirdly, Idunn, that isn’t the worst thing about Obama in my opinion. The worst thing is that unless there is anything in it for him personally, he is always late to the game to offer assistance to the unfortunate.

  194. Jan, well let’s be honest…there are soooo many awful things about Obama that it’s hard to pick a worst.

    And THAT might even be the “worst” thing about him. LOL!

  195. I think McCain is going to knock his acceptance speech out of the ball park!

    Unlike Obama and his me-me speech, I have a feeling that McCain’s is going to be about the people he wants to serve.

    LOL…never thought I would say that about a Republican. How times have changed. 😉

  196. One thing for sure, the Reps convention is going to be a stark contract to the Dems.

    Country First I think will start catching on.

  197. Front page of NY Post has full page photo of Charlie Rangel asleep on a beach chair and a story about his villa in the dominican republican which he hasn’t reported income on.
    That’s the 2nd such Rangel revelation in the past few months, the other was about an apartment in NY he had a sweetheart deal on.

    Paybacks?
    ———————————————-
    Axelrods work–guaranteed. Chicago scum. Puss pocket of evil.

  198. I am emailing back and forth with a young Rep. You can tell he could go either way. However, his comment about the Dem convention was he got tired of the tent revival.

    He was unsure of Palin, so I sent him the O and Palin comparison.

  199. birdgal Says:

    August 30th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
    jan: I was reading the comments on Greta Wire, and apparently BO did not mention the hurricane.

    I can’t believe the democratic party is so ruined. It is very sad.
    —————————————–
    My first reaction was to say with bambi it is all about the here and now and me. Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me and not to be repetive . . . . . . . . . . . . . I.

    But the I realized that being the messiah it was easy enough to work a miracle–like casting the hurricane back out to sea–which is really nothing compared to parting the waters of the Red Sea. He simply did not want to brag about it.

    Because you see he is a modest Messiah and bragging is not his thing. Thats why it requires a football station and 80,000 delusions (mostly press) just to clear his thoat.

  200. Six people were involved in the secretive deliberations that led to Palin’s selection: McCain; his wife, Cindy; campaign manager Davis; longtime confidant Mark Salter; senior adviser Steve Schmidt; and key strategist Charlie Black. In addition, Washington lawyer A.B. Culvahouse oversaw the vetting.

    McCain did his work personally.

    Obama left it to Caroline Kennedy, hence the immense fuck up.

  201. confloyd Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 3:57 am
    Wbboei, as per our conversation I saw a clip of Hillary at Stephanie’s funeral, she looked terrible. Huge bags under her eyes, hairdo not goo. I realize she was at one of her best friends funerals but she still looked bad.
    ———————————————
    I know.

  202. From Rasmussen — polling shows Palin pick a success:

    ——-
    There have been significant changes in perception of John McCain in the two days of polling since he named Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. Since then, 49% of Republicans voice a Very Favorable opinion of McCain. That’s up six percentage points from 43% just before the announcement. Also, 64% of unaffiliated voters now give positive reviews to McCain, up ten points since naming his running mate.

  203. Gustav 10 a.m. recon, it is still 120 MPH mid cat 3. This is good news. However, had you ever tried to stand up in 120 wind??

    When I lived in FL the news people showed you how a human was affected in the different wind levels. It was very eye opening.

  204. wbboei, blue,

    Yup. Payback from Thugama-land for not jumping aboard the O-train sooner.

    While I don’t like what Rangle did to HRC the last few days of the primary and I am livid about the entire NYS delgate slate going for BO, especially Patterson, I don’t think Rangle’s a bad guy and I gotta cut him some slack. He has paid a lot of dues and he’s almost 80 years old fer-crying-out-loud.

    Anyone have links to HRC at STJ’s funeral? She reminded me of one of the toughest AA administrators in the urban district where I taught who sadly passed away months after retirement just as i was going out on a medical leave. Her name was Dr. Stepherson and she was every bit as feisty, passionate and honorable as STJ. I still can’t believe either one of them are gone.
    :sad:.

  205. After I cleared the lump from my throat and held back the tears, I made a mental note that WE COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY. Then, I said out loud,

    WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW!

    to John McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin. A female commentator this morning on MTP compared her to Annie Oakley. I like everything about her, except her pro-life stance that works for her – but then I absolutely refuse to let the undemocratic Democrats and MSM, or anyone else for that matter, legislate or hold hostage a woman’s vagina. In this age of prevention, abortions should be rare anyway. The emphasis should be on education and prevention of pregnancies rather than on abortion – and should be there every year, not just election years.

    Another mental note, ANYBODY, anywhere, anytime that spews any sexist, misogynistic, or discriminatory statements or acts toward this woman candidate must feel the full wrath of women EVERYWHERE, all at once, and in unison – even Hillary and Geraldine. Agreed?

    Gov. Sarah Palin brings so much to the table and I can not wait for her to solidly plant the heel of that red stiletto smack in the mid-section of nObama, Biden, and any other person who commits any sexist or misogynist act. And then, I want her to turn that heel and scrunch it for maximum effect.

    I ask you, could Norman Rockwell himself painted a more beautiful picture of an All American Family than the Palin family?

    Do you hear me now, Caroline and the corrupt and undemocratic Democratic Party?

  206. Berkeley Vox

    That 64% of unaffiliated voters being favorable is really the important number. They keep saying it will be won or lost with the Independence.

    McCain must have know how the Independence would react. O should have had access to the same information.

    One has to ask how telling the choice of VPs is. One went for the independence, and the other well you know.

  207. As far as Hillary looking bad at Stephanie’s funeral, I did not hear her speak, but I caught glimpses of her during camera pans, she didn’t look her best. Everything may be catching up to her, and taking their toll. It is very common for people to get through a crisis situation, do what they have to do, and collapse at the end. It appears that Stephanie was a close and wonderful friend to the Clintons, and they are obviously grieving. They both looked very sad. I did hear President Clinton and as always, he was wonderful, but obviously on the verge of tears at times.

  208. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002377.html

    I read this article earlier and couldn’t help but reflect on all the media coverage leading up to McCain’s announcement of his Vice Presidential pick. And boy were they wrong.

    They weren’t just wrong. They were spectacularly wrong. I mean on a scale from 1 to 10…well, they were so wrong, so off the mark, so focused on the exact wrong people, a scale analogy would be too kind. Put it like this, every article, every newscast, every commentary should have begun with, “Amid pure unadulterated speculation…”

    The media missed every hint.

    She’s been well vetted, The McCain camp had reviewed everything it could find on her, including videotapes of her public speeches and interviews. “She makes a great speech,” one adviser observed.

  209. Best quote yet

    Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are more or less the same age, but Governor Palin has run a state and a town and a commercial fishing operation, whereas (to reprise a famous line on the Rev Jackson) Senator Obama ain’t run nothin’ but his mouth. She’s done the stuff he’s merely a poseur about. Post-partisan? She took on her own party’s corrupt political culture directly while Obama was sucking up to the teet of Wright and Ayers and being just another get-along Chicago machine pol (see his campaign’s thuggish attempt to throttle Stanley Kurtz and Milt Rosenberg on WGN the other night).

  210. Tasteless!

    Stephanie Tub Jones Funeral also serves a a political event for Barack Obama.

    //www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1220171646297310.xml&coll=2

  211. When Carl Rove was advising BHO how to beat Hillary in the primary and how to distance himself from Rev wright I asked some senior Dems in my state and was told it was because repubs hate the clintons, but no it was because Carl knew BHO would the easier foe.
    BHO is toast people Hillary better plan her exit strategy because this cozyness with BHO wont endear her with me
    ——————————————–
    As I said yesterday that is a point she needs to consider and it is a difficult but unavoidable political judgement. At this point, there is no conclusive proof that he will self destruct now or lose the election. I believe he will, I pray to God he does and am working 24/7 to make it happen, but we must also be realistic. Absent clear evidence that he is in meltdown she is behaving as any politician would. Much depends on what the republicans do. If I were advising them and believe me when I say I am not, then I would tell them that they are up against a sociopath who will pursue a scorched earth policy against them and what they must purue against him is a carthaginian peace where you defeat the enemy and pour salt on the land so nothing grows there for a thousand years. I am speaking figurtively but the sentiment is real. Hold him at arms lenth and never embarace him unless you want a dagger in the back. Yes I know it sounds like delusional nonsene but you need only examine his record to see it is all true and then some.

  212. ShortTermer wrote
    ——–
    Another mental note, ANYBODY, anywhere, anytime that spews any sexist, misogynistic, or discriminatory statements or acts toward this woman candidate must feel the full wrath of women EVERYWHERE, all at once, and in unison – even Hillary and Geraldine. Agreed?

    ————-
    AGREED.

  213. Tasteless!

    Stephanie Tub Jones Funeral also serves a a political event for Barack Obama.

    cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1220171646297310.xml&coll=2

  214. I thought it was unusual that the newsmedia was caught with their pants down in regards to figuring out who the vp was. She already had a following on the internet, she had people trying to draft her for John McCain. I think the media got so wrapped up the “one” that they weren’t paying attention OR they could have know and wanted Hillary pushed out so bad, that they dare not bring to the attention of Hillary supporters for fear they would force her on the ticket. My guess is the later!

  215. short-termer.

    I’ll second that.

    BTW, Palin was wearing GREAT shoes! Those red open-toed heels showing off a pink-toed manicure were hot!

    😉

  216. Moon,

    ROTF!

    “Governor Palin has run a state and a town and a commercial fishing operation, whereas Senator Obama ain’t run nothin’ but his mouth.”

  217. MOONONPLUTO 12:05 PM

    Now I call that a VP search committee. He never announced it, he just knew where he was going for advise, and the had a person take care of the vetting he trusted. Looks like people who understand politics.

    Caroline, and I love her dearly, has spent her young life avoiding politics. I don’t know I can blame her, but running a committee (of which I am not sure how many were actually on the committee), really looked absurded.

  218. basil: Glad to disagree with you.This type of dialogue is healthy and a very important part of uniting and healing deep wounds that we need now.Hillary made a decision to go with the flow in order to preserve party unity and at the same time keeping her great relationship with her colleags in the senate and her hurtful
    amount of false and downright evil treatment by her spite ridden opponents.She is still a topic everyday on the air and in the MSM hate spouting tirade of cruel and indecent comments.She will still be here tomorrow and every day until she is eventually.Hillary is a strong and careful strategist and her goals
    are to stay involved and fight for what she believes is best for our country regardless of race religion or party.She now needs our trust and confidence and understanding of her position and decisions to hang in there and fight for what is right.As noted
    by some OBAMA has old and loyal friends that he said helped him get to where he is today,but it seems odd that he never appears with them in public and none come forward to praise
    his self declared accomplishments and there is no evidence that he has ever done anthing exept blow his own horn as a comunity
    organizer,Capone,REZKO,AUCHI,and the Chicago MOb are the only communities he ever cared about and let his black and poor AA constituents live like animals with no heat,running water and toilet facilities.he took and lied about the mob campaign funds he recieved and the grants of millions in tax dollars to these criminals which they gladly accepted.meanwhile back at the
    million dollar real estate deal by REZKO for his mansion,Michelle was implanted in a new position in the corrupt health care system
    and was reported to have been given a130% wage increase upon BHO elelection to the IL state senate.IS there sense in going on?
    This cheap bag of sinister ambitions ought to be run out of the country and o one way ticket to whatever tribe he was born to.
    He and his cousin Odinga would IDI AMIN to shame.
    Wow I now feel better,like throwing up after being fed bad food
    at a Barack Hussein Obama Hope and Change Rally.

    BY ABM90 Any one else want to take me on?

  219. Anyone else think the last of any gunowners and the religous deserted Obama in droves on friday, if he has any for McCain/Palin. or should i say those bitter people who cling to guns and religion.

  220. ABM,

    “Hillary made a decision to go with the flow in order to preserve party unity and at the same time keeping her great relationship with her colleags in the senate and her hurtful
    amount of false and downright evil treatment by her spite ridden opponents”

    I sure hope you’re right.
    About Odinga; When BO supported his cousin and ignored the consequences of sharia law I knew he was an enemy to women everywhere. I don’t want him in the WH. Ever.

  221. Caroline was put on that committee by Uncle Ted to make sure that Hillary was not even vetted and make sure she was not on the ticket. THat was her purpose, she was the only one he could trust to do that, since he was out of pocket and could not do it himself. I wonder if the poor man realizes yet that Obama is going to lose and lose by a landslide.

  222. A few things:

    1) I said this before, but it bears repeating. Hillary WILL NOT make personal attacks on Palin, or McCain for that matter. Everyone needs to relax.

    2) Hillary has to be seen as fully supporting Obama because her political viability in the party (she wants to run in 2012, remember) is done otherwise. It’s that simple.

    3) Those people who booed Palin when she mentioned HRC were clearly NOT Hillary supporters. They obviously were Repubs. After all, it was a GOP rally, lol.

    4) Wasn’t Hillary supposed to be not feeling well on the last day of the convention? Perhaps that’s why she didn’t look 100 percent at the funeral.

  223. 3) Those people who booed Palin when she mentioned HRC were clearly NOT Hillary supporters. They obviously were Repubs. After all, it was a GOP rally, lol.

    Thank you! I thought that was dimwitted beyond belief. Those folks were booing HRC, not Sarah. And why were they booing HRC? Because they were republicans! get a clue here people, honestly.

  224. Video footage and images from STJ funeral.

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  225. Paula, what I don’t understand is why was Hillary feeling bad on the last day of convention?? We all watched her fight throughout the winter and spring working when she was evidently very sick. THe woman is almost as strong as an ox. SO WHY NOW IS SHE GETTING SICK??

    As far as those booing Republicans, they need to be very careful if they want my help in defeating Obama, they should not believe for one minute they can beat this theif on their own, they can’t, he is corrupt and has a vast network of people that are corrupt. Of coarse we all know that MSM will play that booing tape over and over to piss us all off!

  226. We criticize O for being portrayed as The One or the Messiah.

    Yet, each one of us expect HRC to stand up to a very high standard, when she has already been tougher than O. HRC is a person, and one hexx of a person. In all this time, this is the first time I have even heard she was sick.

    If we criticize O for putting himself forward as the One, we should not expect this from HRC.

    I am looking forward to her book, and although I don’t know if I can stand to read it, I will keep it as a memorial to her of what she accomplished and went through.

  227. ABM90: to amplify on your wise words the north star which guides Hillarys moves is the welfare of the American People. She fought him to get the middle class provisions inserted in the party platform which you may recall he was unalterably opposed to. So regardless of what she says and does to remain politically viable what she does she does for us. What Confloyd and I worry about is the personal toll this takes on her as it would on any human being. A bad hair day is not simply a metaphor, it is representative of what she is thinking as she sees her friend Stephanie for the last time. And although I am cynical about everthing he does, and believe he is just there for a photo op it is nevertheless good he is there for the sake of the party. She deserves to be remembered. She was the kind of black leader everyone would gladly march behind–her not him.

  228. ADMIN!

    Can you please embed the STJ video.

    .wtam.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=122520&article=4171956

  229. confloyd,

    I agree with birdal.

    “It is very common for people to get through a crisis situation, do what they have to do, and collapse at the end.”

    Same thing has happened to me. The adrenaline of stress often keeps us going but when the danger fades away so does the adrenaline and the body goes into a kind of withdrawal.

    FWIW, after seeing the STJ funeral footage i don’t think HRC looks any worse than anyone else who has lost a dear and beloved friend.foota

  230. Thanks, JanH. 🙂

    BTW, I’m sure HRC’s going through a very tough period right now, for all the reasons everyone has mentioned. She needs a vacation in the worst way – some time to decompress. But she’ll be fine. I’m 100 percent convinced of that. She always comes back stronger than before. Always.

  231. I read on pumapac they were really trashing Palin on one of the morning shows. That’ll just firm up her support among the GOP faithful.

  232. If nothing else, a new book by Hillary would become a #1 best-seller in no time. Definitely a help towards diminishing her debts but also towards finally revealing the truth…at least I hope so.

    I just don’t think it will happen for a few years.

  233. I know that she will be fine, I was pointing out how much crap from the Obamarama campaign and the DNC she must of had to put up with. You could see it in her face, easily. I am sure this stress certainly did not help STJ health as it certainly isn’t helping Hillary’s.

  234. JanH I really think that debt is our debt also. I just don’t know how we go about getting rid of it if the money people tend to go with the winner.

    I wonder where the HRC money people are going now? Has anyone heard?

  235. I love how Obama thugs are misstating Gov. Palin Pro-Life position. It will backfire big time against the Democratic? Taliban Party.

    Since the Obama and the Dems have been shifting right on this issue…all you women need to open up your eyes on this!!!

    The current DEMS position is to limited abortion and to make it rare… They want to go after the evangelicals and with modern medicine making the case more and more for the pro-lifers in the Democratic Party…don’t be trusting Obambi for a firm stance on this issue.

    So you best need to start focusing on prevention and education…Gov. Sarah Palin is very pro-prevention and education and considers herself a feminist.

    I like Sarah…a lot and let me remind many of you. The African Americans in this country are more pro-life democrats then pro-choice.

    Many people are Democrats who are pro-life in their personal life.

  236. I have less of a problem with her pro-choice position that I do on her environmental views. Environmentally, she’s a disaster, to be honest.

  237. Gallups poll tracking from Thursday to Sat has Obama only up 6 now 48 to 42, so only has 1 and a half days tracking of Palin. It was 8 yesterday.

    Looks like there is going to be no convention bounce.

  238. BREAKING ON FOX: MAJOR CHANGE TO RNC CONVENTION PER MCCAIN CAMP

    Just heard reported on FoxNews that the McCain Campaign will be releasing a statement in 1-2 hours saying that the RNC Convention will be changed in a major way. Said something along the lines of a call to action for Americans. Some kind of telethon, fundraising event.

  239. A telethon would be great! It will be fun to see what Obama will do, I am sure t hey will not want to be outdone.

  240. shorttermer and wbb et al

    I second, or third or fourth, your message.

    I’ve been listening to the Sunday bloviators, Sen Dodd vying for the worst of them. They keep thinking that roe v wade is it! Carly Fiorina says women have more on their minds. As for experience being a problem for McCain/Palin, or off the table, or worrying the voters, just keep contrasting the messiah vs the reformer.

    For me, it’s the difference between indecent and decent. I can’t vote for the former.

  241. McCain should issue a statement saying he is directing all state delegates out to help and is putting this “COUNTRY FIRST, CONVENTION SECOND”.

  242. I feel so sorry for the people under the fun of Gustav, as a category 4 Celia survivor, I can empathize. I was 20 years old when Hurricane Celia hit Corpus Christi. It is something you never forget, every Aug 3rd, I still remember what I was doing that day and that was 38 years ago.

    Hope McCain can come up with something very good to benefit the storm victims.

  243. NewMexicoFan,

    While I agree with you that it is also our debt, I think the bulk of the responsibility should go to the DNC who have decided to ignore their responsibilities and continue with their corrupt methods.

  244. A good idea for McCain would be to set up the permanent McCain/Palin hurricane relief fund that would continue to raise money on a permanent basis to be used for resettling and fixing those people and areas affected by Hurricanes.

    Not just a band aid but a permanent fund and donate the first million himself.

  245. The more I read Sarah Palin, the more I like… I don’t agree with you mainly on social issues, especially on abortion rights, less concerned about enviornmental issues since I do believe Al Gore is milking the ‘global warming’ stuff to extreme… I mean, Alaskan people are avid sportsmen, they love the nature, why should washington tell them what to do, and what not to do with their resources? I am a firm pragmatist, and believe conventional energy will still last for a while… I firmly believe oil exploration can be done in a responsible way…

    Regarding abortion rights, she’s going to alienate lots of feminists, that’s for sure. But from a pragmatic point of view, there’s NO way she’ll be able to overturn R&W… Thatcher was both a social and fiscal conservative, and the British society has not gone backwards socially because of her staunch social conservatism. The society on social issues will not go backwards because of a president/prime minister. Has George W. Bush been able to change anything in that regard?

    Here’s another great article about her…

    h t t p : / / http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palin31-2008aug31,0,1268295.story?track=rss

  246. I LOVE McCain…I have to say this democrat really like strong leadership geared to the people.

    Regarding Hillary: I love that women and for the first time in my life actively supported a candidate. Hillary has my upmost respect and admiration and I trust her. May God bless her and her family with many blessing yet to come.

    I don’t blame the Republicans for the actions of the Democratic? Taliban Party…they threw her under the bus and backed over her multiple times. The current Democratic Leadership is WEAK, CORRUPT, and ARROGANT.

  247. I can’t stand Senator Dodd, we all know what he thinks of women, he threw out his old wife for a newer model. I have no respect for any one who does that. Dodd is a bag of wind that like to hear his own voice.

  248. Admin: you predicted JM might cancel or postpone. If that is what he does it is a brilliant move, and it separates him from bush by 20 light years. If there was ever an opportunity for their party to reverse a prior error this is it. Bambi surrogates like Don Fowler may yet discover that GOD is not on the thug who stole the nomination of his party.

  249. It’s absolutely absurd and clueless if Obama campaign wants to use Hillary to attack Sarah Palin. It is VP’s job to act as attack dog. Hillary is not Obama’s VP, and she is smart enough to stay far away from this mess.

    I doubt waffles has the audicity to ask Hillary to attack Sarah Palin.

    If mccain wins, we’re going to set up for an epic battle in 2012.

    Hillary vs. Palin.

    If this happens, it will ensure American the first woman president. Wow, can’t wait…

    I firmly believe McCain is a one-termer.

  250. Kostner, ewww, I can’t stand to see hunting pictures. I always feel sorry for the animal. Her hunting thing is a drawback for me, I hate guns, all guns. Warn us before you post a groce hunting pic, pls. I do like her though, I like that fighting spirit and her taking on the republican party. Maybe if her and McCain gets elected we should put her office in CHICAGO!

  251. I just can’t believe the un-democratic party has put so many of us in this postion. I’m so mad I could scream.

  252. JanH

    I agree there is a DNC and O responsiblility here, but I have not seen O or the DNC in anyway step up to this responsibility.

    I am off to shower. I always enjoy our chats, and feel better after them.

  253. moon, Obama did get a bounce in the Gallup – only it was after Hillary’s speech, lol.

    BTW, I like your suggestions about the GOP convention.

  254. I bet this convention will be geared to show the wastefulness of the Obama greek temple convention against McCain’s helping the American people recover from this bad natural disaster. This will be good for McCain! Poor Bambi!

  255. politico.com/news/stories/0808/12989.html

    Palin’s hubby and son not Republicans

    Democrats may be blasting Sarah Palin as a doctrinaire conservative, and Republicans may be embracing her for the same reason, but her husband and oldest son are independents.

    Or, more precisely, their party affiliation is listed as “undeclared” on voter registration records retrieved from the Alaska Division of Elections.

    Todd Palin, husband of the Alaska governor, hasn’t been affiliated with a party since he first registered to vote while he was in his early 20s, in 1989 — the year after he married Sarah Palin. And Track Palin, their 19-year-old son, registered as undeclared when he became eligible to vote last year.

  256. Lots of Palin’s positions are unorthodox, she got high marks from teachers’ union because she backs public school system, not vouchers…

    Interesting, Alaska is rather ‘libertarian’ in terms of immigration policies… Some anti-immigration wingnuts are already unhappy about her simply because she’s sticking to Alaska’s libertarian position on immigration.

    h t t p : //freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=3904
    ——————————-
    Paula,

    absolutely. All of Waffles’ bounce came from Hillary & Bill’s speech. He got none, zero from his own speech.
    ———————————-
    By the way, I am perhaps to the right of most of you here on many issues, so it’s no problem for me to accept Sarah Palin. I don’t particularly like McCain, i think he’s pretty reckless.

    My ideology matches pretty well with Hillary, and I love her intelligence and toughness.

    I have major concerns over abortion rights with Sarah Palin.

  257. McCain should issue a statement saying he is directing all state delegates out to help and is putting this “COUNTRY FIRST, CONVENTION SECOND”.
    ——————————————-
    For of all sad words of tongue and pen
    The saddest are these it might have been

    If we had only had Maggie Williams from the beginning. Carvelle or her in 2012. Doyle to the dustbin of history along wiht brazille–and the final resting place for traitors.

    I think McCain has a great campaign manager now and he is playing it just right. I think they will start going balistic against Caligula after the convention. If we could just dig up some of the old one liners by actor John Hurt when he played Caligula in “I Claudius” we could insert them as captions below his photos.

    At one point he returns from a delusional war against King Neptune and he is pissed. He calls in a minister and demands to know why there were no throngs of roman citizens there to greet him on his return, the minister gives some lame excuse and next thing you know its off with his head.

    Then an unctious disciple wanders in bowing and scraping and telling caligula how wonderful he is. Unwilling to leave it at that Caligula declares himself to be a god on the spot, empties a treausre chest of loot he has wrested from the grasp of Neptune which turns out to be sea shells and demands an immediate human sacrifice. Namely the unctuous one.

    Sound familiar?

  258. All those Dems giving congrats over their convention and thinking the current hurricane will be a repeat of Katrina and will help the Dems and Obama…need to get a clue.

    The Democrat had a big responsibility in the Katrina mess also…Gov.Blanco of Louisiana…geesh.

    Don’t be surprise when Gov. Jindal leadership will be compared to Gov. Blanco.

    That’s why I think the Democratic? Taliban Party are ARROGANT and should show some humility and compassion, instead of gloating and all the other hateful thing said by Obamabots.

  259. I hope the average voter is offended by the talking heads assault on Palin.

    She is more like us than them. The talking heads who live inside the beltway are elitists, and ever since the days of andy jackson and most recently bill clinton they despise populists.

    Normal people of all political stripes need to be asking themselves this question: but for the grace of Sarah there goeth I/

  260. Wbboei, that was good. Hits the nail on the head.

    Where is Obama today, anyone know, or is he on another vacation day??

    I can’t wait for the unloading on Obama, I am going to make sure I have plenty of popcorn!!

  261. Six people were involved in the secretive deliberations that led to Palin’s selection: McCain; his wife, Cindy; campaign manager Davis; longtime confidant Mark Salter; senior adviser Steve Schmidt; and key strategist Charlie Black. In addition, Washington lawyer A.B. Culvahouse oversaw the vetting.

    McCain did his work personally.

    Obama left it to Caroline Kennedy, hence the immense fuck up.
    ——————————————
    For Caligula it was a stunt
    For McCain it was a hiring decision

  262. LOL…giggling a little bit here…

    Just came back from the drug store.

    Turned over 3 magazines to the back side with the false one’s smirking face on it.

    Petty I know, but I sure feel better! 🙂

  263. I went to church today, my minister spoke on how exciting it is for a AA to be one of the nominees for president. He went on to ask how many of us no Jesus. He then said let me put it to you this way. How many of you know Barack Obama they raised their hands. Then he said how many of you REALLY know Barack Obama. He said you know him, but do you really know him. Silence. I rest my question.

  264. Michael Moore, the idiot:

    “I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,” Moore said, laughing. “To have it planned at the same time – that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities – at the top of the Mississippi River.”

  265. I too worry about Hillary and her health and well being but you must never underestimate the hidden powers that they have and manage to roll out when we men would give up and move on yo something less stressful.Perhaps it was good theater on her part and another arrow out of her bag of strategic moves to accomplish her goals and save we cowardly males from oblivion.
    Just yhink back to the impeacment ordeal and of the false accusations that followed.Her brave decision to stay and fight for Bill and her country. Hillary is tough as nails smart as a whip and brave beyon her call to duty.I wish she was my Battery Commander in WWII.We all would have been safer and more
    optomistic about our mission.It was a nightmare being led by some racist plantation bred ROTC officers that did not have a clue about how to survive a battle and take care of your troops.
    They gave their charge orders by phone deep in a bunker or a basement and didn’t know S–t from Shinola about what was going on around them.Thank God there were some real smart
    officers that had come up from the ranks,smart,tough and highly respected by the troops.Not to worry guys she knows the big picture and nothing much gets past her.Just relax and let her do her job.After all we are just guessing and are on the outside looking in.
    BY ABM90. Have a good day all you experts with second thoughts.

  266. I will say, I’m excited about Sarah Palin, but over the weekend, I’ve been thinking about staying undecided- it was disheartening to see that one of Palin’s first vetos in office was against same-sex partner beneifts. There is NO WAY I will vote for Obama…absolutely none.

    The UnDemocratic party by not nominating Hillary has put us in the worst situation ever:

    recklessly incompetent to lead this country = Obama + ridiculously compliant Dem leadership
    recklessly against our values = McCain/Palin

    But, of course, the silver lining in the latter is that a veto-proof Democratic congress will counter McCain/Palin, and Hillary in 2012.

    There is no silver-lining for the first scenario.

  267. went to church today, my minister spoke on how exciting it is for a AA to be one of the nominees for president. He went on to ask how many of us no Jesus. He then said let me put it to you this way. How many of you know Barack Obama they raised their hands. Then he said how many of you REALLY know Barack Obama. He said you know him, but do you really know him. Silence. I rest my question.

    Neeta was he trying to say that maybe, you know, Obama might…ummm…BE somebody?

    Or was he trying to say, “What do you really know about this man?”

  268. I thought she vetoed a bill that was against same-sex benefits, not the other way around. I apologize if I’m wrong …

  269. Paula,

    You forgot to mention that Micheal Moore was on Keith Olberman show on MSNBC and they both referred this was payback to the GOP and their convention.

    Here’s the link:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/michael-moore-l.html

    McCain/Palin message of Country First will resonate strongly with American and Obama’s me first message with the Hypocrisy of the Democratic? Taliban Party will fall flat.

  270. Joe Biden used 5 deferments to keep out of Vietnam

    DOVER

    DOVER, Del. – Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

    Officials with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s campaign released Biden’s Selective Service records at the request of The Associated Press. Less detailed records were available from a National Archives facility in Philadelphia.

    According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency.

    “As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager,” said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.

    In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama’s running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.

    The Obama campaign pointed to media interviews from 1987, when Biden was making his first bid for the presidency, that mention his asthma.

    Military service and questions about which presidential ticket would be stronger on national security are intertwined in the presidential race. Republican John McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent 5 1/2 years in a Vietnamese prison, has argued that he has stronger background to be commander in chief. Democratic nominee Barack Obama counters that McCain would continue a wrong-headed foreign policy from the Bush administration.

    Biden has had extensive experience with national security issues in the Senate. McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin, has been Alaska governor for two years and before that was a small-town mayor.

    Biden’s five student deferments equal the number given to Vice President Dick Cheney, who has been quoted as saying he had “other priorities” than military service in the 1960s.

    According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam.

    Documents provided by the Obama campaign indicate Biden received a classification questionnaire in October 1963, when he was enrolled at the University of Delaware, and received his first 2-S student deferment a month later. Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University.

    Then in April 1968, when he was 25, Biden was disqualified from service due to asthma.

  271. Paula – i think you’re right. It’s all so confusing the double negatives in sentences:

    She did VETO a bill that was trying to squash same-sex benefits: from timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

    “She opposes same-sex marriage, but one of her first acts in office was to veto a bill blocking health benefits for gay lovers of public employees. “

  272. Paula Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    I thought she vetoed a bill that was against same-sex benefits, not the other way around. I apologize if I’m wrong …
    ******************************************************
    Yes, she did vetoed a bill that was against same sex benefits, it was her first veto but she does believes the voters of Alaska need to vote on the issue.

  273. CountTheVotes Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    I will say, I’m excited about Sarah Palin, but over the weekend, I’ve been thinking about staying undecided- it was disheartening to see that one of Palin’s first vetos in office was against same-sex partner beneifts

    Opposite. She veteod a bill BANNING same-sex benefits.

  274. Makes sense that Bill Clinton would be on verge of tears at SJT. She died on his birthday. He and Hillary Dored her – she, who was perhaps the strongest female Hillary supporter – bar none. They dad to beoth be absolutely devastated.

    As far as Hillary not looking well. If I were her, I would be “sick” for the next two months. Seiously, I might have to get my R&R at a luxurious spa. Then, after the election, regardless of winner/loser I would go to yet another spa and treat myself to more R&R, while “recovering” from a winter illness.

    May be pefect time for her to disappear and take care of herself – it’s HER TURN!

  275. basil9 Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    Tasteless!

    Stephanie Tub Jones Funeral also serves a a political event for Barack Obama.

    Basil9, i know, i was there. It was nothing but political

  276. Mr. Moore,

    I somehow think all of those people, young and old, who are at this very moment being evacuated from their homes would highly disagree with your selfish opinion.

  277. Paula – however, I’m hearing she voted against same-sex domestic partner benefits for public employees because it was unconstitutional. Still…

    I’ve heard Palin wants an amendment banning same-sex marriage on constitution.

    I would say this – I like Palin, I disagree with her vehemently on issues, I like McCain because he is a leader, but I disagree with him on issues – but there HAS to be a way to vote for McCain/Palin and a strategy that makes it palatable…McCain/Palin and a Democratic Congress.

    It’s like agree to have sex, but only with a condom. If the right strategy, I could go for it. But no matter what Hillary in 2012.

  278. neetabug:

    Glad you were there. So impressed with many of the speakers. Ldy with the sorority was wonderful.. The young girl who Stephanie took a personal interest in, giving them direction in school, etc. was so moving. I cried watching her talk about “Mom.”

    It was sickening to see BHO seated next to Hillary. Thought her male spokesperson? could have definitely gone without saying that her (Stephanie) being such a believer in Hillary, would say support BHO for the presidency. Ugh…that made ME want to cry…what a disappointment to see him throw out that political pitch for BHO, who led his surrogates in bullying her, no doubt responsible for her blood pressure rising which likely caused the aneurysm, or stroke.

    What a huge loss for Ohio and the Clintons.

  279. hey all, we should all have a single mission until we achieve it for instance:

    Berid of Obama first

    then clean up the DNC

    so on forth, Admin, thoughts?

    I dont want us to waver between a mission to another, etc.

  280. Nobama Never. I will not vote for him.

    I agree with you in Mount Dora.

    Again, as the voters that the Republicans are courting, we have power to negotiate. You want our votes, then, give us back to us.

  281. Good Sunday to you, Hillfriends. First things first: thank you for sharing the links to the services for Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Neetabug et al. I am sitting here crying and crying – one of the very first actions that I joined after I started reading Big Pink was to write to Stephanie to thank her for her stalwart support for Hillary. She is a true friend and a patriot.

    http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=audionews.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/30263/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30263/1263/richmedia/STJTRIBUTES.mp3?CCOMRRMID=18735980&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=CLEVELAND-OH&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&NG_ID=wtam1100am&OR_NEWSFORMAT=News/Talk&OWNER=1263&SERVER_NAME=www.wtam.com&SITE_ID=1263&STATION_ID=WTAM-AM&TRACK=STJTRIBUTES

    Here is the link to the audio posted above; you can hear Hillary’s footsteps walking up to the pulpit amid applause on this audio at about 16:30. My heart breaks for Hillary and all the pain she has endured for the opportunity to make a difference in service to our country. My heart breaks for you, Neetabug, who has lost a true public servant.

    More later.

  282. http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=122520&article=4171956

    Hear Hillary’s footsteps at about 16:30 on the audio as she walks to the podium.

    I am heartbroken at the loss of Stephanie’s loss. One of the first actions I was moved to take was to write to her to thank her for supporting Hillary amid threats and ridicule from the Obama camp. I’m sorry for your loss, Neetabug, and for all here who loved and respected her. We have lost a true public servant and patriot.

    More later.

  283. JanH, welcome, anytime. Isasmuch as I respect and admire PUMA’s, the message constantly changed and it was unclear as as well as confusing. Let’s not do that here. 😉

  284. Michael Moore: Gustav Is Proof of “God in Heaven”
    August 31, 2008
    It’s not exactly news that Michael Moore has said something outrageous.

    This time the filmmaker noted the cruel irony in the timing of Hurricane Gustav, which is expected to hit the Gulf Coast on the third anniversary of Hurricane Katrina and on the day the Republicans kick off their nominating convention in St. Paul, Minn.

    Appearing on MSNBC Friday, Moore remarked to Keith Olbermann that “this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven. To just have it … planned at the same time, that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for Day One of the Republican convention, up in the Twin Cities, at the top of the Mississippi River.”

    “I certainly hope nobody gets hurt,” he added. “I hope everybody’s taking cover.”

    So Michael Moore didn’t exactly disappoint. What’s disappointing is that Olbermann didn’t call him out for making light of a storm that has already killed 81 people in the Caribbean

    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/blog/1380000138/post/960032496.html
    *****************************************************
    I remember Michael Moore had slam Hillary for signing the authorization for the Iraq war and said she was unfit to be the nominee, and now this.

    Obama surrogates need to be quiet.

  285. Illinois in Underrground, I did the same. I sent an email thanking her for her constant support of Hillary.

    I hope Admin starts posting ‘posts’ soon giving us a guide of what to do so we can all follow through.

    Will Hillary speak at the funeral?

  286. Idunn, “What do you really know about this man?”

    I think he was trying to say you don’t know him. Read about him. There are things you need to know about him, good or bad.

    I had just talked with one of the elders, someone wrote that O does not believe in this one passage in the
    bible, Jeremmiah first chapter verse 5 1:5. I had him read it.

    I said this on the last blog, how surprised i was a lot of AA did not know MLK was a Republican. He did not know this either. What is it people are not reading and researching for themselves. Are they letting the media do this for them. All AA should know this

  287. Just me: I agree. Re speaking at the funeral, don’t know. Maybe Neetabug can let us know. By the way, if you don’t want to get mad, please avoid 30:00 on the audio; I’m listening to 👿 at her service. Always campaigning, always inappropriate.

  288. CounttheVotes, you got it wrong.

    it was disheartening to see that one of Palin’s first vetos in office was against same-sex partner beneifts.

    Her first veto was a bill that would have DENIED benefits to same sex partners.

  289. She vetoed the bill, because it went against the state constitution. But, she made the choice not to drag the issue through the courts. So, now same-sex partners have benefits.

    Palin is a conservative, but at least we know, who she probably is. I can’t say the same for BO.

  290. DailyKos Embraces The Palin ‘Fake Pregnancy’ Rumor But Rejects The Edwards Story
    August 31, 2008 | 12:57 PM (EST)

    Its the wackiest rumor about Sarah Palin or any other politician so far this election. It’s making it’s way all through the internet. And of course it came from DailyKos.

    Let’s hear from noted reporter ArcXIX, following up on story by the widely respected Inky99…

    Well, Sarah, I’m calling you a liar. And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better.
    Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

    The whole story is based on an insulting view of fundamentalist
    Christians; that they’d be so freaked out by a teenage pregnancy that they’d have the Governor — the most highly visible and public women in the small fishbowl of Alaska — fake a pregnancy to cover up the sins her of daughter Bristol.

    That diary got ‘rec’d’ — voted as one of the ‘Best Of’ on DailyKos. The diary is uncited, breathless, and spins a story that’s totally far-fetched. Without going through the whole hot mess point by point, I’ll mention that no doctors, nurses, hospital workers or other patients have come forward to say anything was amiss. Plus, there’s this picture.

    The irony for me, of course, is that despite making over fifty short political videos with a clear progressive point of view, I was banned on DailyKos for saying that it seemed reasonable that John Edwards was seen at the Beverly Hilton late at night.

    To be sure, some on DailyKos pointed up the numerous problems with the Palin story. But ‘the community’ in large part embraced it and it’s part of a trend…

    The election hasn’t even been won yet and there’s already a liberal hubris developing. Progressive standard bearers such as DailyKos and Keith Olbermann have been showing signs lately of a nasty tendency towards stifling dissenting opinions and promoting the sort of crazy rumors usually associated with the right then the reality based community.

    It’s not effective, it’s not progressive, and it’s not a good or accurate reflection on Barack Obama or the Democratic party.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/why-dailykos-embraced-the_b_122790.html

  291. Countthevotes
    A costitutional amendment banning gay marriage is a nearly impossible feat and is often like roe v wade used as a hostage tool by the democratic cabal. Tremendous strides have been made since the implementation of Don’t Ask. Today many cities are actually thriving on this new acceptance by throwing out the welcome mat to the LGBT community. What they get generally speaking is a highly educated community that possesses a much greater disposable income. Philly is a great example. I remember Chelsea actually doing a bar crawl in Philly with Rendall. Onever in his speech to the masses(so I am told) basically said that gay people should be allowed to visit loved ones in the hospitol. WOW. Associate homosexuality to illness. That’s not a step forward in my world. I believe that such statements reveal his true beliefs. What about federal inheritence rights? The spouse of a loved one who dies pays nothing but a gay couple which may have spent decades together must pay. I believe that Palin and McCain possess far fewer misgivings with regards to LGBT rights. If McCain were to appear with an anti-gay preacher the press would crucify him. Obama gets a pass.

  292. I admire him, the typical maverick style, at least his maverick skills is still intact, that’s important. I like how he picked Palin. She’s a mom first so it seems to me she will be a good candidate. I still wish it was Hillary but… with Palin, I think this puts me more at east to go with McCain/Palin then it is with Obama/Biden. The more I hear or watch about Obama/Biden the more I become unease about choosing the Democrat side. I hope however that we clean the DNC up and return the party that it should be (FDR) and not the party of the Elites.

  293. neetabug,

    They are running scared. They are showing the worst behavior humanly possible.

    It is to be hoped when they are older that they look back on their behavior (all in the name of this idiot named Obama) and cringe in remorse.

  294. interesting how dailykos blocked some of us from even posting negative information on Obama, but this is okay?

  295. DailyKos is the left-wing equivalent of those wingnuts who believed every rumor about the Clintons, no matter how patently absurd.

  296. carbynew Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    Obama want McCain military records badly.

    McCain should ask for his. OH I FORGOT THERE IS NO MILITARY RECORDS

  297. Comment by Billie Morales
    August 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I never knew how cruel leftwing loons were until now.Micheal Moore should be ashamed of himself and I would hope his so called career will suffer.

    Keith Olberman should be fired because he ought to be embarrassed to call himself a newsman.
    Billie Morales
    Tampa,Fl.
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/moore-on-gustav-there-is-a-god-in-heaven/all-comments/#comments
    *****************************************************
    Keith Olbermann does MSNBC/NBC proud

  298. I personnally love the daily Kos for the absurd accusations. It makes it so much easier by using it as an example to magnify the many other distortions perpetrated by that misogonist.

  299. marie3548 Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    If Barack Obama is The One, then Joe Biden is The Gift.
    ——–
    Marie, please try again. I tried your link and it came up malformed.
    I love works of genius.

    Turndownobama,
    thank you kindly for the links.
    I agree with wbboi and all that regard
    obama as a sociopath. He is a sociopath with a very short fuse, it is just a matter of time and a little pressure.
    Caligula and his band of Suicide Kings will get their due.
    McCai

  300. neetabug,

    obviously, these are adolescent boys or nasty old women who are saying she was not pregnant.

    all you have to do is see her face during that time,
    and you can see, she has round pregnant woman
    face…

    sheesh! just ask a woman…
    i hated that face, and every woman i know has
    had it, except the two months they go thru the
    gaunt barfing stage…

  301. Comment by Billie Morales
    August 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I never knew how cruel leftwing loons were until now.Micheal Moore should be ashamed of himself and I would hope his so called career will suffer.

    Keith Olberman should be fired because he ought to be embarrassed to call himself a newsman.

    Billie Morales

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/moore-on-gustav-there-is-a-god-in-heaven/all-comments/#comments
    Tampa,Fl.

  302. oy-
    if I can’t see it I don’t want to type it out.

    McCain’s pick of Palin is a masterstroke on so many levels.
    Some have called her a bambi killer.(my apologies to animal lovers).

    Hillary is still a hostage, but she will keep her sea legs and get through this mess. She is a fighter and will continue till the dogs are long gone.
    Keep the faith.

    Part of the battle is against the media and the power brokers, they will not lie down easily.

  303. Well the Michael Moore’s of this world need to quit say that God is bringing this hurricane down on the Republicans, God doesn’t deal in evil, never has, never will. The evil one brings evil, it is in the Bible , so now we know Moore’s never read it. This is the evil one working on behalf of the “ONE”, however, I believe McCain is working with God, so we know this hurricane will show that McCain is truly an great American. Moore needs to STFU!

  304. I dont think it is original but I do think it is valid.

    The typical voter makes a their decision about who to vote for based on two criteria:

    1. Is the candidate like me?

    2. Can I trust him or her?

    If that is true, then these left wing pundits do not make headway when they savage Palin because she is more like then than the pundits are. She went to college in Moscow Idaho rather than Cambridge. If she had a phi beta capa key she would not wear it. And i doubt she drives around in a beamer like they do. The cool people in life are the ones who have got it but dont flaunt it. That is what we have got with Palin.

    It it is true then Caligula and Bloviator are in real trouble. Far better that they should be in trouble than us.

  305. Gosh, this is sooooo silly… The more they dug in, the better Palin looks…

    —————————————-
    Palin’s gillnet

    h t t p :/ / http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Palins_gillnet.html
    Amid the vast volume of anti-Palin e-mails flying around at the moment, the one asserting that she once pled guilty to criminal negligence sort of sticks out, and seemed worth poking around.

    Alaska state records show that she was charged in June of 1993, and pled no contest, to the serious-sounding charge.

    Turns out that it’s less a major felony, more an only-in-Alaska moment, and that — like so many of these things — it’s surfaced in Palin’s earlier races, notably in 2002.

    The details of the weighty charge: Using a drift gillnet to harvest salmon from the Bristol Bay area without an annual permit.

    Here’s from the 2002 Anchorage Daily News:

    In 1993 Palin pleaded no contest in Dillingham District Court to a fishing violation — failure to register as a set gillnet permit holder. And the violation was then mistakenly entered into the court computer system as being a felony.

    Palin explained the fishing violation by saying that she had been a crew member but took over the permit for that season from her sister-in-law. Palin then forgot to switch her registration from that of a crew member to a permit holder, she said.

    Palin called the court in Dillingham and straightened out the mistaken felony designation. The court clerk described it as a “data input error” and faxed Palin a letter of apology, saying the error has been corrected.

    But in recent days reporters have anonymously received copies of the court record calling it a felony. “I think it’s pretty cowardly,” Palin said. “Somebody is peddling this five days before the election, obviously to smear my reputation.”

    She later compared it to a parking ticket. (There’s another fishing license violation in the system for her, but that charge was dismissed.)

    I think she’s the only nominee this cycle to have pled no contest on anything, and likely the first in American history to have a drift gillnet violation on the books.

  306. RNC Convention: McCain shows he is a Leader of all Americans, able Commander-in-Chief in times of National Crisis and Natural Disasters – His Life Story

    DNC Convention: Obama shows he is a narcissistic celebrity with bells and whistles, dog and pony shows – His Life Story

  307. *Banging head against wall* So now the talking point is that Palin is a bad mommy, because how can she campaign for VP and take care of that bay too.

    Oh, they are SO “concerned” with horrible “unmotherliness” of Palin draggig her baby all over the campaign trail with her. What a bunch of morons.

    Rant ensues:

    When my oldest was born, she went everywhere with me. I spent 2 days hiking up a damn mountain with her strapped to my chest at 6 weeks old.

    When my next child was born, I learned to snow ski 6 weeks later – my sister was preggers at the time, so hung out in the slope condo sipping hot chocolate by the fire, and minding my baby, watching the view of the lift and me falling all over the place through the big plate glass, So I’d go ski for 2 hours, tramp back into the condo to nurse and cuddle, then go back out.
    My infants went EVERYWHERE with me – from rock concerts, to canoeing, to camping, to picking bushels of strawberries at the “pick-it-yourself” field, to festivals, to meetings, to errands.

    Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick, these men are clueless.

    My husband was once trying to paint the house trim while my 3 and 2 year old were playing in the yard. After about 15 minutes, he came into the house very frustrated and whining, “The kids need to come inside! I cant do what I need to do and watch them at the same time!”

    Hooooo, boy. I looked him dead in the eyes and said, “I do EVERYTHING I DO and watch them at the same time. All of it. All day long. I do every last fucking task, every chore, every job, every task, AND WATCH THEM AT THE SAME TIME.”
    Get a clue, you brainless strutting gasbags. There is no one on this PLANET who knows how to manage time efficiently and multi-task better than a mom of 5.

    NEWSFLASH: We have been carting our babies around with us while doing 17 things simultaneously for several thousand years now. I think we have got it down pat by now, so have yourself a big steaming cup of STFU. With a mooseburger.

  308. The Democrats need to realize the Republicans aren’t bothered by Gustav. They might even make a good thing out of it. They are just glad they weren’t hit by Hurricane Hillary!

  309. kostner Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Joe Biden used 5 deferments to keep out of Vietnam
    **********

    Did BHO even register for the draft??

    why has the AP not included Obama’s info in this story???

  310. ADMIN

    I am still getting stuck in the filter and not even sure i am showing up most of the time or at all

    Can you please please pretty please do something about this???

    it’s been over a week of not being able to fully participate in the conversation 🙁

  311. Did the people who settled this country have elitist Montesorri Day Cares or Mother’s Day out when they headed west in their conestoga wagons? Get over it.

    The frontierwoman – Gov. Sarah Palin – is more like Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman – All Hat AND All Cattle, and yes her dog DOES hunt. She CAN walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

  312. I am a member of Green Peace and the local SPCA in my community and the animal lovers and nuts can back off on this one. In Alaska they hunt to eat. There is limit’s and it’s how they feed there families.
    This is not leisure hunting at farm with animals fenced in with no way to escape like rich folks and there friends to entertain themselves. I love animals and hate any hunting but….in Alaska it is a way of life.

  313. funny-on cnn kept seeing mccain down is ms, then they showed the pic of obama and biden eating ice cream on the trail. moore may rejoice in the homes people are about to lose-but mccain is about to ace the election by operating relief efforts from the conv for la

  314. oklahomahills:

    As far as Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), Gov. Haley Barbour (R-MS), they are VERY concerned about GUSTAV. ALL residents of these states are very concerned for loss of person and property. I would also hope if you have any humanity at all, it might just possibly concern you as well. Your Comments? You are a moron. Don’t know where you came from (OK?) but you can go crawl back under your rock. Also think the Republicans put Country Before Party as they found out more and more about Marxist Obama. I take that you are an Obamabot. Your heartlessness gives it away.

  315. A political hurricane
    James ForsythSunday, 31st August 2008

    At first blush, this appears to put John McCain at a further disadvantage. While the Democrats had four days of wall to wall media coverage and Barack Obama delivered his speech to 80,000 people in a stadium and 38 million watching on TV, the Republicans are going to be presented in split screen with a hurricane and John McCain might well deliver his speech not in the convention hall but via-video link.

    But the news is not as bleak as it first appears for the Republicans. The storm gives McCain an opportunity to demonstrate the crisis-management skills he would bring to the White House and to present himself as a figure who puts country above partisan interests. Also, preventing a like for like comparison between McCain and Obama’s convention speeches is no bad thing for McCain. While avoiding pictures of the Republican convention cheering Bush and Cheney to the rafters is probably a good thing for the McCain campaign. On top of this, the current situation offers the GOP the chance to show a different side to it than the caricature of it that is sometimes presented in the media; delegates preparing care packages on the convention floor would be a compelling image.

    Perhaps, the biggest political effect of the hurricane is that it has slowed the race to define Sarah Palin. There are limits to how hard the Democrats or the press can go after her in the current circumstances. Equally, the McCain campaign’s roll-out of her is no longer dominating the news as it was on Friday. On the one hand, this focus on a natural disaster emphasises executive skills and experience, something that Palin is the only person on either ticket to really have. On the other, the gap gives the media and the Democrats more time to research her record and could lead to a flood of questions about various mini-scandals in Alaska being dumped on her as soon as the hurricane has passed.

    Hurricane Gustave is, like the Russian invasion of Georgia, a reminder that events are going to impact the presidential race between now and November 4th in a way that no one can confidently predict. Which campaign reacts better to these unwanted surprises is going to play a crucial role in deciding who comes out on top on November 4th

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/americano/2050576/a-political-hurricane.thtml

  316. Well if Palin is a “bad mommy,” then what does that make Obama? He only pulls his daughters out for photo-shoots.

  317. carbynew Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
    neetabug,

    Since STJ funneral because an Obama rally…were her family and friends upset?

    I only talked to one while i was in out in the hall. She was crying she said she was a cousin. She was mad about the fact they did not let her see Sephanie. I thought she had arrived late after they had closed the coffin. She said no she was early they would not take the ropes down so she could get closer to her. Some of the family members arrived before her son. For the family that arrived with the son they took the rope down so that could go up to the casket. With her they would not take the rope down so she could get a little closer. She did speak as if the politicans were running the show. Thats when i asked her why didn’t they have a private funeral here in Cleveland, have a memorial service for her in Washington. She agreed. She said what really made her mad was they took the rope down for all the congress people. She said some didn’t really know her Stephanie.

    I can tell you everyone here is talking about how it was nothing but a political rally for Obama.

    How Sad

  318. curiosityhasme Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I meant POLITICALLY they don’t care. Of course we all care for the safety and well being of all our brothers. We are more than ever reminded of how much we care for each other at times like this.

    Thank you, I am glad you had me clear this up.

  319. The details of the weighty charge: Using a drift gillnet to harvest salmon from the Bristol Bay area without an annual permit
    _____________________________________

    I wonder if the obamanic who came up with this one has ever been to alaska or knows what a gillet is or what a felony is.

    Been there and done it myself. In my case however the arresting officer was an 8 foot grizzley. It was low tide and we were picking sockey salmon out of the set net site at south Nakek River right by old Libbeyville Cannery around midnite. The bears come down from the scrub brush to feed at that hour. My partner was around 6 foot 6 300 pounds and the dumb bastard chased the grizzley back into the brush with a pew stick (a broom handle with a curved nail at the end), while I was running for the back of the truck and to get the 270 rifle and wishing I had brought along a 300 magnum instead. (Sorry Confloyd but this was a situatation of extremis). We lived to tell about it. Next day an ADF&G official asked us about it and asked to see our permit, it too had expired and he waived the fine.

    This is ridiculous.

  320. hillarious-thepage calls for vettng of palin. ding a real smear job. so when does camp mcain say to halperin-ok fine. but when do u vet obama on ayres etc- i feel a trap set by mcain

  321. I forgot to tell you the punch line: he told us as long as the bear was willing to give us a pass he figured he should as well.

  322. neetabug,

    That’s terrible, I just buried my husband this past May and I know how hard it is for family member to say goodbye to love ones.

    To let this become all about Obama is just wrong.

  323. McCain: GOP convention now must be ‘call to action’
    By Lisa Lerer
    Politico
    Article Last Updated: 08/31/2008 02:58:50 PM CDT

    John McCain said he would change the Republican National Convention from a “celebratory event” to a “call to the nation for action,” during a Sunday visit to Jackson, Miss., where he was briefed on preparation efforts happening on the Gulf Coast.

    “I pledge that tomorrow night, and if necessary, throughout our convention if necessary, to act as Americans, not Republicans, because America needs us now no matter whether we are Republican or Democrat,” said McCain.

    Hurricane Gustav could accelerate from a Category 3 to a Category 5 storm, meteorologists warned, and is expected to hit New Orleans as early as midday Monday.

    This morning, McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, toured the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency Emergency Operation Center in Jackson. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a former Republican National Committee chairman, invited the campaign to the state and helped coordinate the trip.

    “When other conservatives were hesitant about the cost of Katrina, John McCain stood up first and said, no, this is the worst natural disaster in American history,” said Barbour, in a press conference with McCain and Palin. “We’re going to do what needs to be done.”

    The McCain campaign said it did not visit New Orleans because it did not want to interrupt ongoing emergency preparations. He plans to visit Louisiana sometime after the storm.

    “There’s very little doubt that we have to go from a party event to a call to the nation for action,

    action to help our fellow citizens in this time of tragedy and disaster, action in the form of volunteering, donations, reaching out our hands and our hearts and our wallets to the people who are under such great threat from this great natural disaster,” said McCain.

    Convention organizers are scrambling to find ways to recast the GOP convention in the event Gustav causes major damage to the Gulf Coast. The party must nominate McCain — a process that Republican officials say could take as little as two hours — but wants to ensure the tone of the party convention is appropriately somber.

    New Orleans is a sensitive subject for Republicans, who fear another natural disaster will remind voters of the Bush administration’s inept response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

    McCain’s visit came hours after President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney announced that they would not attend the Republican convention this week in St. Paul.

    Instead of heading to St. Paul on Monday, Bush will travel to the Emergency Operations Center in Austin, Texas, where federal, state and local officials are coordinating their efforts. He’ll also visit relief centers in San Antonio.

    “The message to the people of the Gulf Coast is: This storm is dangerous,” said Bush on Sunday.

    The McCain campaign said it would release more information on the convention plans Sunday afternoon. McCain may give his acceptance speech to the convention via satellite from the Gulf Coast.

    Barack Obama said Sunday that his campaign plans to use its massive supporter e-mail list to mobilize volunteers and donations to the relief effort.

    Obama also questioned whether McCain’s trip to the region distracted police, fire and other necessary government services away from the preparation efforts.

    “I’m assuming that where (McCain) went that wasn’t an issue,” said Obama. “We’re going to try to stay clear of the area until things have settled down and then we’ll probably try to figure out how we can be as helpful as possible

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_10351139

  324. Michael Moore links article claiming Palin is her son’s ‘grandma’…

    Geez, these scumbag/demogogers really need to be put in jails. No shame… I have never been so disgusted by the extreme leftists.

  325. Carbynew, i know, i also lost my husband.

    Looking at O sitting there on stage with his arms folded and that turned up face just made me sick. I couldn’t take it anymore. They were taking pictures of the politicians all over the place. I wished someone would have said please no pictures.

  326. I hope McCain comes out with a news conference and shut these idiots up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

    Michael Moore is a FAT PIG

  327. Just wait for it. Obama will try and smear McCain no matter what McCain decides to do about the convention. If it goes on, then McCain is selfish. If he tries to make it a call to action, Obama will say that he is using this tragedy for political gain.

  328. This ought to kick them where it hurts

    Before you dismiss that Commander of the Alaska National Guard stuff. This came from a reader who plays the game and it jibes with my knowledge.

    Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

    As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden’s.

    She’s also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security’s counterterrorism plans.

    Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country’s defense. Given Alaska’s proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don’t even know about.

    According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

    She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

  329. kostner

    This is not my party anymore. It is revolting. People can say all day long that “it is only individual supporters doing it, not the Party itself” but I am not buying it.

    These thuggish crazies are the ones that Obama and Dean have been bowing to and courting and groveling to. They could call it out if they wished. They are NO BETTER than the Republicans who allowed the right-wing hateful zealots to take over their party. Not one bit better.

    So aside from policy, on the one hand I am looking at a party who is courting and wooing the very WORST hating and abusive elements of their side. On the other hand I have a party who while still paying a little lip service to their own loons, seems to be actively (though carefully) attempting to move toward sanity and take their party back from the brink.

    Which one has the moral high ground at this point? Clue: it ain’t the Dems.

  330. MIDem Says:
    McCain’s pick of Palin is a masterstroke on so many levels.

    [[ YES! ]]

    Some have called her a bambi killer.(my apologies to animal lovers).

    [[ Is there any truth to the rumour that Michelle Obama has a fur coat? ]]

  331. Gosh, that sexist pig Biden can’t wait one day to diminish Sarah Palin by claiming ‘she’s good looking…’.

    ————————————-

    h t t p : / / embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/31/gorgeous-joe-biden-praises-good-looking-gop-vp/

    TOLEDO, OH — Barack Obama brought up John McCain’s new Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin for the first time in a regular campaign speech at an economic town hall in this rust belt city, criticizing her for opposing equal pay.

    But Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee Joe Biden took a slightly different tack at the same event — praising the former beauty queen’s attractive appearance.

    “There’s a gigantic difference between John McCain and Barack Obama, and between me and I suspect my Vice Presidential opponent,” Biden said, preparing to launch into a critique of the GOP — but stopping when the crowd chuckled at the line.

    “Well, there’s obvious differences,” he said. “She’s good looking.”

  332. If Palin is a bad mommy taking her child on the campaign trail, then what does it say of Bambi taking his girls to a racist, nasty church to learn about racism and hate.

  333. texan4hillary Says:
    palin on same sex benefits. court said such benefits must be given, she vetoed the bill to counter the court. i have no illusions. she says she has gay friends and in the end couldnt do it. she is conservative.
    http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2006/12/29/6

    ===========

    I like your version, but better check. Another version said she favored the bill but vetoed it because her advisors told her it was unconstituional.

  334. true also. the ak constitution has an amendment that allows only for marriage beteen a man and a woman. it was passed in 98. so when gay couples sued the supreme ct ruled that same sex benefits did not violate the ak amend. the lege passed a bill to then clarify matters and prohibit the benefits! but palin vetoed the bill partly bc the atty general said the ct was correct in its ruling. she also stated at the time that she had many gay friends and in the end felt benefits couldnt be denied. but she is a conserv.

  335. How do you tell someone they are an idiot in 10 words or less without insulting them? The question arose yesterday when I saw a young delusional in a lexus suv cellphone permanently attached to his left ear and just so hip. On the back of his Lexus suv was a sign Republicans for Obama. Here is Krauthammers answer.

  336. I agree with those of you here that have said that Palin was a masterful pick. But, the nutroots who accuse McCain of a pander to women have got it all WRONG: it is a shot across thte bow that he is going to root out corruption and push the reform agenda. This is the perfect positioning vs the corrupt Democratic ticket, IMHO. The fact that she is a frontierswoman who embodies the American pioneer spirit is an added bonus.

    Go, Johnny, go!

    If I were counseling Hillary, I would advise her to keep her distance from a corrupt, cheating party. No Stockholm syndrome, please. And, at the right time, perhaps new Democratic leaders will take a page from McCain’s book.

  337. i have no illusions about palin. she is conserv onmost issues. a maverik in taking down the corrupt party machine, working on energy solutions, forming a global warming sub cbinet cmte, etc.. mccain will be prez. she will not. her postions resonate with sm town and rural maerica. that is why only hillary could have won blowouts-bc she got folks on other issues.

  338. Assume John McCain had retired from politics. Would he have testified to Obama’s political courage in reaching across the aisle to work with him on ethics reform, a collaboration Obama boasted about in the Saddleback debate? “In fact,” reports the Annenberg Political Fact Check, “the two worked together for barely a week, after which McCain accused Obama of ‘partisan posturing'” — and launched a volcanic missive charging him with double cross.

    So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he’s out. Then there’s William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He’s out. Where are the others?

    The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger — a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night.

    letters@charleskrauthammer.com

  339. This is stupid about this baby not being hers, she broke her water and went into labor during a speech, it is well documented!

  340. from other blog…
    ——————–

    This story tells us three things about Dean/Obama Democrats.

    1. They’re bone-deep vicious little psychopaths.

    2. They’re really, really, really, REALLY stupid.

    3. They all failed sex education.

    Sure, it might be possible for a woman to fake a pregnancy to save her unmarried teenaged daughter’s reputation. Not easy, but possible.

    Palin is breast-feeding the child, though. There’s no way to fake that. No way, either, to get around the fact that lactation doesn’t normally occur except after pregnancy. Ergo, Palin has recently had a baby.

    Game, set, match.

  341. What’s with the Quayle in a dress stuff? GHW Bush/Quayle won that election! Just like all the other republicans liberals & the media underestimated won- Reagan, Bush Jr. And I finally get why they won- the democrats aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are. All those ivy league degrees but they still can’t understand basic political strategy. It’ll be interesting to see where the polls are after the republican convention. It looks like the dems got an average bounce from their time in Denver.

  342. quayle was riducled as a dude who couldnt spell etc. so to infer she is quayle in a skirt is very sexist. so she is a moron and of course a woman? tickets with experience on top and less on the botom win. tickets like obama-biden tend to fail bc the dude on bottom should be on top. ie duakaiss and sr sen lloyd bentsen. duakais lost to bush/quayle

  343. I agree with those of you here that have said that Palin was a masterful pick. But, the nutroots who accuse McCain of a pander to women have got it all WRONG: it is a shot across thte bow that he is going to root out corruption and push the reform agenda.
    ———————————————
    In a courtroom no sensible attorney objects to otherwise objectionable material if it does not hurt her. But she objects loudly if it does. In this case the loud objections are an indication that the dems are worried.

    The Republicans are good planners. I would venture to guess that they have a whole chessboard laid out here that no one sees and if somebody leaks that stuff there will be dire dire dire consequences. Simply put, they would not go to work for Axelrod. The point I am making is the Palin decision is part of a larger strategy which is aimed at Caligulas throat and right now they are giving him the rope he needs to hang himself. Whatever they have on him they will use at the right time and the right place. You can make book on it.

    On the bright side Palin sends a signal to the country that in a John McCain Presidency the people will be listened to. In an Obama Presidency they will be bamboozled, then disenfranchised and thrown under the bus. Remember what Krauthammer said: nobody whoi knows him want to vouch for him, unless there is a direct quid pro quo. Their silence speaks loudly.

  344. Rev Wright is back

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/wright-returns-says-obama-to-be-first-us-president-to-have-a-black-woman-sleeping-in-white-house-legally/

  345. must read article. very astute.
    By The Fault

    Talk Left Convention Coverage
    A Brilliant Comment Worth Highlighting
    August 31st, 2008 3:30 am
    A commenter over on Talk Left left this comment regarding the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate. I think it rather astute and I am passing it on.

    1– Palin re-opens the experience issue in a new way that lets McCain bring back an issue that was getting tired. VP vs. Prez is a new spin on this, and makes it look like the Democratic ticket is backwards, just like Dukakis/Bentson seemed to many.

    2– Her Western credentials and charm plunges a dagger into the heart of Obama’s Western strategy. A caribou shooting, moose-eating, snowmachine riding, government reforming, spouse of a Native, governor from a western state may suddenly be the much more interesting candidate to western voters than the urbane urban black guy. If Obama can’t win Ohio, he has to win in the West. This pick makes that much harder, IMO.

    3– She re-starts the Obama is a sexist meme and heats up the Hillary voters who haven’t reconciled to Obama and are still steamed at MSM misogyny and DNC shenanigans. The attacks on a woman VP candidate who has as much experience as many of the MSM “accepted” male candidates for both VP and Prez, is a potent new brew that may drive many women to vote for Palin (and incidently McCain) no matter her view on the issues.

    4– She gives new life to the Obama is an elitist who can’t get votes from small-town and middle America meme. The Obama supporters and pundits just haven’t been able to stop themselves from attacking Palin’s lack of an Ivy League education, her supposed lack of understanding of urban issues, and the fact that Alaska is a small, rural state. Those “bitter” voters are still out there, particularly in southern Ohio and the middle of Pennsylvania, places that Obama must win. The fact that Palin is a past union member, and her spouse is a current union member, could hurt Obama too.

    5– She takes away the race card. She is the first candidate in an interracial marriage on any major party’s ticket. Hard to scream racist effectively at voters undeterred by that.

    6– Todd Palin as the macho Irondog champion, “First Dude” and stay-at-home “Mr. Mom,” and Sarah Barracuda as the hard-charging career woman and hockey-mom, may well be very attractive for suburban Independent women.

    7– She is the ultimate “change” candidate. Unlike Obama, she actually has done what he preaches — changed an entire political environment (albeit in small state Alaska) by reaching across party lines.

    8– She is an interesting character. Doubt how important that is? Just check out the reactions to the speech Gov. Schweitzer gave at the Democratic Convention. People like characters with interesting stories and styles. Palin certainly has that.

    9– She has totally thrown the Obama camp on how to respond, and knocked his “greatest speech evah” off the discussion track.

    I don’t believe in that many accidents. Palin has been on McCain’s list since the start. When Obama failed to pick Hillary as his VP but picked Biden instead, he opened the door for Sarah Palin to walk through, and allowed McCain the chance to reclaim his mantle as a maverick and true agent of change. We’ll see how it plays out in the end, but my guess is that the McCain/Palin ticket will turn out to be the ultimate proof that Obama’s refusal to pick Hillary as his VP will be the bad judgment that costs the Democrats this election.

    It’s a brilliant assessment of the pick. I’ll add these thoughts. There’s power to authenticity. Sarah Palin is authentic. She is who she is and doesn’t to pretend to be otherwise. She is accessible. Obama is aloof. Biden can be quite witty but he is also a career politician, a man who has spent more than half his life as a US Senator. Sarah Palin is the face of change. She is a new breed, a grassroots activist that started out in the local PTA and ended up as Governor. That’s a compelling story.

    This race is being framed in interesting ways. Certainly Obama’s theme is that McCain is more of the same while McCain’s goal is to make the election an referendum on Obama himself, the not ready for prime time argument. But McCain is now broadening his political landscape. For staters, Palin actually had a number of social conservatives pushing for her. There was a draft Sarah Palin movement. And while she will lock up the social conservative base for McCain, her appeal is broader than that. Sarah Palin will impress, whether you agree with her or not on the issues, because she is honest, candid and frank. She is as fresh as the Alaska air. She lives her values but also holds back from pushing them too hard. Her style and character will sell well.

    I’ve noted before that Obama has a lock on the Whole Foods demographic but that McCain leads among the Wal-Mart shoppers but that he needed to add to his lead among this group if he is to win in November. This pick helps to do just that. It also allows McCain to grab a share of the Costco shopper, that is more affluent than the Sam’s Club shopper. Sarah Palin, no doubt, has a lot of work ahead of her in introducing herself to the lower 48 and Hawaii but honestly, she just has to be herself to do that.

    osted in Politics, US Presidential Election by Charles Lemos
    RSS 2.0katiebird
    August 31st, 2008 6:27 am
    Wow, finding this comment makes your time at Talk Left worthwhile. I’d totally given up on it.

    This campaign was destined to be interesting but, I think that now – with Palin on the ticket – it’s going to have an element of fun too.

    I just love watching her walk through the crowds with McCain.

    I’m still not planning to vote for them by the way.
    nene
    August 31st, 2008 7:36 am
    One of my brothers is a die-hard Repub who is ecstatic about Palin. He’s a Wall-Streeter and a life member of the NRA, too. She’s got that NRA vote locked up, for sure (not that I ever thought they would go for Obama).

    To the NRA’s credit, they know how to fight for their rights. At the rate we’re going, the 2nd amendment will be the only one we have left.
    RalphB
    August 31st, 2008 11:21 am
    Speaking of TL, I can’t believe the utter BS that Jeralyn is posting now. Since Palin was announced, it’s like she totally lost her mind.

    The comment featured here is great. With Sarah Palin’s addition, the fun is back in the race. With just Obama v McCain, it was totally boring, but no more.
    CognitiveDissonance
    August 31st, 2008 12:12 pm
    Brilliant comment and analysis, Charles. I’m glad you dug it out of oblivion at Talk Left. Many of us no longer go there. It is too painful watching Jeralyn tie herself up in a pretzel trying to support Obama.

    This commenter really nails why Palin is such a great choice for McCain. One of the things the left keeps ignoring is the fact that McCain really needed to get his base excited. The evangelical voters were really unexcited about him. That has now changed.

    I actually saw a clip on Fox (yes, we’ve come to that) that James Dodson said he and a group of 300 evangelicals were watching his press conference. When he announced Palin as his VP, they all got up on their feet and gave it a standing ovation. They felt McCain had heard them and responded. That’s the way many women felt. The fact that McCain found someone who helps him on so many different levels – and actually had the guts to pick her – is what is so amazing. As we all know, Obama had someone like that but was too narcissistic to pick her. I think it lost him the election.
    fjoinkay
    August 31st, 2008 12:47 pm
    The Democrats suffer every time they attack Palin’s experience because the Republican counter-attack is much more powerful. If Palin lacks the experience to be VP, then Obama lacks the experience to be the President.

    The Republicans absolutely want independent voters comparing Obama’s experience to Palin’s, and the Democrats are falling right in line attacking Palin. I shake my head as they do. Why would any reasonable Democrat believe that independent voters will decide that Obama’s experience is substantially different and more impressive than Palin’s?

    As the Democrats attack Palin more and more voters feel safer voting for McCain. The question I have is how many of today’s undecided voters will end up believing that Palin is more qualified than Obama to be the President.
    Charles Lemos
    August 31st, 2008 1:30 pm

    http://www.bythefault.com/2008/08/31/a-brilliant-comment-worth-highlighting/#more-3145

  346. Norma- I would sooner listen to wright painful as it is than listen to obama. Wright tells us how he feels whereas obama hides it except at unguarded moments.

    A friend of mine who understands the politics of Europe told me there is an article in the New Economist which looks to the state of the EU in 2050. It says that the European Union is prosperous but things in the United States and Russia are grim because in 2010 President Obama launched a nuclear attack on Russia and Russia of course retaliated. The man is unsound.

    It is just an article but it does draw your attention to the stakes here, does it not?

  347. RNC has a theme for each day:

    Monday – Service

    Tuesday -Reform

    Wednesday – Prosperity

    Thursday -Peace

  348. crap sorry about that post-here is the clean one

    A Brilliant Comment Worth Highlighting
    August 31st, 2008 3:30 am
    A commenter over on Talk Left left this comment regarding the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate. I think it rather astute and I am passing it on.

    1– Palin re-opens the experience issue in a new way that lets McCain bring back an issue that was getting tired. VP vs. Prez is a new spin on this, and makes it look like the Democratic ticket is backwards, just like Dukakis/Bentson seemed to many.

    2– Her Western credentials and charm plunges a dagger into the heart of Obama’s Western strategy. A caribou shooting, moose-eating, snowmachine riding, government reforming, spouse of a Native, governor from a western state may suddenly be the much more interesting candidate to western voters than the urbane urban black guy. If Obama can’t win Ohio, he has to win in the West. This pick makes that much harder, IMO.

    3– She re-starts the Obama is a sexist meme and heats up the Hillary voters who haven’t reconciled to Obama and are still steamed at MSM misogyny and DNC shenanigans. The attacks on a woman VP candidate who has as much experience as many of the MSM “accepted” male candidates for both VP and Prez, is a potent new brew that may drive many women to vote for Palin (and incidently McCain) no matter her view on the issues.

    4– She gives new life to the Obama is an elitist who can’t get votes from small-town and middle America meme. The Obama supporters and pundits just haven’t been able to stop themselves from attacking Palin’s lack of an Ivy League education, her supposed lack of understanding of urban issues, and the fact that Alaska is a small, rural state. Those “bitter” voters are still out there, particularly in southern Ohio and the middle of Pennsylvania, places that Obama must win. The fact that Palin is a past union member, and her spouse is a current union member, could hurt Obama too.

    5– She takes away the race card. She is the first candidate in an interracial marriage on any major party’s ticket. Hard to scream racist effectively at voters undeterred by that.

    6– Todd Palin as the macho Irondog champion, “First Dude” and stay-at-home “Mr. Mom,” and Sarah Barracuda as the hard-charging career woman and hockey-mom, may well be very attractive for suburban Independent women.

    7– She is the ultimate “change” candidate. Unlike Obama, she actually has done what he preaches — changed an entire political environment (albeit in small state Alaska) by reaching across party lines.

    8– She is an interesting character. Doubt how important that is? Just check out the reactions to the speech Gov. Schweitzer gave at the Democratic Convention. People like characters with interesting stories and styles. Palin certainly has that.

    9– She has totally thrown the Obama camp on how to respond, and knocked his “greatest speech evah” off the discussion track.

    I don’t believe in that many accidents. Palin has been on McCain’s list since the start. When Obama failed to pick Hillary as his VP but picked Biden instead, he opened the door for Sarah Palin to walk through, and allowed McCain the chance to reclaim his mantle as a maverick and true agent of change. We’ll see how it plays out in the end, but my guess is that the McCain/Palin ticket will turn out to be the ultimate proof that Obama’s refusal to pick Hillary as his VP will be the bad judgment that costs the Democrats this election.

    It’s a brilliant assessment of the pick. I’ll add these thoughts. There’s power to authenticity. Sarah Palin is authentic. She is who she is and doesn’t to pretend to be otherwise. She is accessible. Obama is aloof. Biden can be quite witty but he is also a career politician, a man who has spent more than half his life as a US Senator. Sarah Palin is the face of change. She is a new breed, a grassroots activist that started out in the local PTA and ended up as Governor. That’s a compelling story.

    This race is being framed in interesting ways. Certainly Obama’s theme is that McCain is more of the same while McCain’s goal is to make the election an referendum on Obama himself, the not ready for prime time argument. But McCain is now broadening his political landscape. For staters, Palin actually had a number of social conservatives pushing for her. There was a draft Sarah Palin movement. And while she will lock up the social conservative base for McCain, her appeal is broader than that. Sarah Palin will impress, whether you agree with her or not on the issues, because she is honest, candid and frank. She is as fresh as the Alaska air. She lives her values but also holds back from pushing them too hard. Her style and character will sell well.

    I’ve noted before that Obama has a lock on the Whole Foods demographic but that McCain leads among the Wal-Mart shoppers but that he needed to add to his lead among this group if he is to win in November. This pick helps to do just that. It also allows McCain to grab a share of the Costco shopper, that is more affluent than the Sam’s Club shopper. Sarah Palin, no doubt, has a lot of work ahead of her in introducing herself to the lower 48 and Hawaii but honestly, she just has to be herself to do that.

    Return to Main

    http://www.bythefault.com/2008/08/31/a-brilliant-comment-worth-highlighting/#more-3145

  349. If Palin lacks the experience to be VP, then Obama lacks the experience to be the President.

    Thats the line we need to be hammering.

  350. ND native who wrote Palin biography in demand

    Associated Press – August 31, 2008 5:24 PM ET

    DICKINSON, N.D. (AP) – A North Dakota native who wrote a biography of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin now finds herself in demand.

    Kaylene Johnson says the past few days have been a “wild ride.”

    Johnson’s 159-page biography of Palin is called “Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska’s Political Establishment Upside Down.” It was published in April by Epicenter Press of Kenmore, Washington.

    The company specializes in books about Alaska. The first printing totaled about 7,000.

    After Republican John McCain chose Palin as his running mate on Friday, sales of the book took off.

    Johnson is a 1979 graduate of Dickinson High School in Dicksinson, North Dakota. She moved to Alaska with her husband, Todd, who’s in the Air Force.

    Johnson says that after Epicenter Press asked her to write the book, she had about 10 weeks to do it. She met with Palin twice and contacted her through e-mail.

    She says Palin told her later she had not read the book but Palin’s family liked it. She says Palin is Alaska’s “superstar.”

    Johnson says she tried to get a job at The Dickinson Press when she was about 14 but was rejected. Four years later, after she graduated from high school, she was hired at the newspaper, and began a journalism career.

    http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8929751

  351. caught some of John McCain’s remarks and his campaign chief’s remarks about the hurricane/convention impact on Fox News today. We are all hoping that Gustav will not be the disaster that Katrina was, of course, but the timing of this could be a big plus for McCain-Palin:

    1.Bush and Cheney will NOT be at the convention on Monday night as originally scheduled. This is probably a GOOD thing for John MCain; the break has now been made with the awful Bush administration, at least visually.

    2. John said that he wants to turn this into a “service convention” and plans to hold telethons during the TV coverage to raise money for the Gulf relief agencies(and convert any private fundraising efforts going on in Minneapolis as fundraising for relief instead). He said celebrating during a natural disaster would not be appropriate and neither would rhetoric…that “we are Americans first, Republicans second.” They will only do the bare minimum tomorrow to convene the convention to meet their party’s bylaws and that’s it. What a noble thing to do! Can you ever picture Barky doing this that would take away precious time from his preening onstage? Uh no.

  352. Obama deals gently with Palin on equal pay issue
    By CHARLES BABINGTON – 41 minutes ago

    TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) — Barack Obama seems to have only one problem with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate for vice president: She holds the same positions as John McCain, the GOP presidential candidate who tapped her.

    That may seem like a “well, duh” observation on his part, but Obama has tiptoed carefully around Palin as he tries to attract female voters. So far he has criticized her only for her ties to McCain.

    On Sunday, the Democratic nominee seemed eager to blunt Palin’s possible appeal to undecided women, but again, indirectly.

    “We’re going to make sure that equal pay for equal work is a reality in this country,” Obama said at an economic forum in Toledo, Ohio, a battleground state this fall. Alluding to Palin without saying her name, he told about 200 people sitting on a sun-drenched office rooftop that she “seems like a very engaging person, nice person. But I’ve got to say, she’s opposed, like John McCain is, to equal pay for equal work. That doesn’t make much sense to me.”

    Obama, sharing the stage with running mate Joe Biden, has often criticized McCain’s stand on a failed Senate bill called the Fair Pay Restoration Act. It essentially would have reversed a 5-4 Supreme Court decision holding that a woman had only 180 days to formally complain that she was paid less than male colleagues for the same work.

    Obama, who co-sponsored the bill, says such barriers should be eased.

    McCain missed the Senate vote, but said at the time: “I am all in favor of pay equity for women. But this kind of legislation … opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems.”

    Some of Obama’s supporters and spokesmen have been less gentle with Palin, noting that she has been governor only two years and has little if any foreign policy experience.

    Obama, who attended church Sunday in Lima, Ohio, promised to bring jobs to hard-pressed sections of the state.

    “We’re going to invest $15 billion a year in making highly efficient cars of the future right here in Ohio, right here in America,” he said to loud cheers. He promised to help create plants to produce “windmills and solar panels and biofuels, right here in Ohio, creating millions of jobs that can’t be exported.”

    He and Biden, who jumped in a few times to help answer questions from the audience, said they would pay for their initiatives partly by ending some of the Bush administration’s tax cuts for high earners.

    The McCain campaign said Sunday that the presidential candidate and Palin support equal pay for women even though they do not think the 180-day limit for filing complaints should be changed.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcpTSUAMfoi011UTLf8dUDJQtCYwD92TGO1O0
    ******************************************************
    How stupid and weak is Obama…It is becoming clearer and clearer the the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY has been paying lip service to women issues and are clueless about our concerns.

    I really believe they thought they would be able to those old chestnuts “Roe vs Wade” and the “Supreme Court” to keep us in line after they they us under the bus and played their SEXISM and MYSOGINY games…better yet they are S & M so it was hard for them to act their natural selves.

  353. Former DNC chair apologizes for hurricane gaffe
    42 minutes ago

    RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A former Democratic National Committee chairman apologized Sunday for suggesting that Hurricane Gustav’s expected arrival as Republicans prepare to open their national convention is a sign God favors Democrats.

    During a flight from Denver to South Carolina last Friday, Don Fowler — who was DNC chair in 1995 and 1996 — was recorded telling a fellow passenger that it appears Gustav will make landfall on Monday.

    “That just demonstrates that God is on our side,” Fowler added, according to a video posted on YouTube under the headline: “Fowler Fouls: Hurricane is God’s Favor To Democrats.”

    The person who recorded the conversation is not identified. The person whom Fowler was talking to is not visible in the video, but was identified on the conservative Web site http://www.redstate.com as Rep. John Spratt, D-S.C.

    On Sunday, Fowler told The Associated Press that he was making fun of comments made by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said the attacks were God’s punishment for abortion, homosexuality and other sins.

    “This is a point of national concern. I think everybody of good will has great empathy and sympathy for people in New Orleans,” Fowler said. “Most religious people are praying for people in New Orleans. There is no political connotation to this whatsoever. This was just poking fun at Jerry Falwell and the nonsensical thing he had said several years ago.”

    Fowler said if anyone was offended, he apologized.

    “I don’t believe in a God that’s vengeful. I believe in a God that’s compassionate,” he said.

    South Carolina GOP chairman Katon Dawson called Don Fowler’s comments “disappointing and despicable.”

    “A storm is not a partisan event and that is what they’ve done. I am outraged,” Dawson said, speaking by telephone from St. Paul, Minn., where the Republican National Convention is scheduled to start Monday, but may be altered because of concern over Gustav

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i0K66NxQcKl4a_Ejgz-7XySbh8oAD92TGULO0

  354. RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A former Democratic National Committee chairman apologized Sunday for suggesting that Hurricane Gustav’s expected arrival as Republicans prepare to open their national convention is a sign God favors Democrats.
    ———————————————
    Obama should tell Don to resign.

  355. The dumocrats keep sticking their feet in their mouths. It will show the American people just how unAmerican they really are. They are all stupid!

  356. John said that he wants to turn this into a “service convention” and plans to hold telethons during the TV coverage to raise money for the Gulf relief agencies(and convert any private fundraising efforts going on in Minneapolis as fundraising for relief instead). He said celebrating during a natural disaster would not be appropriate and neither would rhetoric…that “we are Americans first, Republicans second.” They will only do the bare minimum tomorrow to convene the convention to meet their party’s bylaws and that’s it. What a noble thing to do! Can you ever picture Barky doing this that would take away precious time from his preening onstage? Uh no
    ______________________________________

    God bless John McCain. Rick Davis is a pro.

  357. The guy should be made to go and apologize the people who’s family die in that hurricane face to face and then resign in disgrace, the son of a bitch has no right to represent people if he is that flippant about life.

  358. “That just demonstrates that God is on our side,”

    The coldest and the cruelst remark anyone could make knowing the death and destuction this could bring to innocent people.

    Obama is a weak and ineffectual candidate and will be shown to be as such if he fails to force Don to step down. The clock is ticking.

  359. A Brilliant Comment Worth Highlighting
    August 31st, 2008 3:30 am
    A commenter over on Talk Left left this comment regarding the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate. I think it rather astute and I am passing it on.
    ——————————————
    Agreed. It is very astute.

  360. Norma Desmond Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    Rev Wright is back

    hmmm…I’m sure Obama is shaking in his boots!

  361. just saw an negative ad attacking McCain…. – change , positive themes, etc – all just BS

  362. Norma, there is no way BO could get that much info out. Did you hear Bush, even Bush would be better than Bo getting out that much information.

    Gustav, would be on the coastline before BO could give up that much information! LOL!!

  363. LOL Confloyd!

    Ugh…uhhhhh…the contrafl…the, um, there will be traffic…..

    (wind and rain increase)

  364. Yeah, who is the more noble now!!

    The storm is moving slightly east, so that may affect me, so if you don’t see me tomorrow, know that I am just out of electricity, bit we will be fine up here in East Texas, near Lufkin.

  365. He’s in favor of pre-ledbetter equal pay, ie the ridiculous 180 day filing clause. Not Hill’s new amendment.

  366. I AM NOT GOING TO QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN’S PATRIOTISM AND I DO NOT EXPECT HIM TO QUESTION MINE–so sayeth Caligula.

    MY WIFE IS OFF LIMITS. NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO ATTACK HER FOR WHAT SHE SAYS BECAUSE SHE IS MY WIFE–so sayeth Caligula.

    Caligula thinks he can take those issues off the table by statements like this? All he is doing is signalling his vulnerabilites. Unsound.

  367. Thanx MIDem, I went thru a category 4 with I was twenty and at that time I lived on the water. I could look at my front windows and see Nueces Bay. I won’t forget that one. Our house was the only standing when the eye of the storm hit, we went and got all our neighbors and pets out of their houses to come to our. When the eye past over our house went for the exception of one bedroom. THere were 17 people and 10 dogs in one 10×12 bedroom. Almost half the people in our bedroom were agnostic, but everyone of them were praying out loud with my mom for the rest of the night. That was the longest night I have ever had in my entire life. I feel sorry for those that live on the coast!

  368. wbboei, I just love how he is always bowing himself up and PRONOUNCING what he alone has decided is off limits.

    confloyd, I went through Hugo in SC. It was awful. My mother-in-law’s house was almost totaled, but the worst was four 200 year old beautiful oak trees that were uprooted and downed. We cried over those trees worse than the house. The house can be rebuilt, but those majestic trees are gone forever.

  369. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee’s Baaaaaaaaaaaaack
    Rev Wright Returns
    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/wright-returns-says-obama-to-be-first-us-president-to-have-a-black-woman-sleeping-in-white-house-legally/

  370. confloyd Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
    ——-
    Wow, unforgettable I am certain.
    I am amazed at the strength and courage that it takes, to sustain
    this kind of a threat every year.
    I know that love of family and roots as well as the love of the land
    is what keeps people there, (as well as opportunity for prosperity)
    But I still find it remarkably brave.
    In Michigan our weather is nice, but rarely threatening. Our biggest
    worry is an occasional deep snow.

  371. How in the heck, does BO know that Palin does not support equal pay for equal work? This is from the guy, who pays his female staffers less money. The hubris is never ending.

  372. birdgal, McCain and Palin both have said that they do support equal pay for equal work. But the law currently is that a woman has 180 days to file a complaint. Hillary tried to change that, because often it is a long time on the job before a woman even FINDS OUT that her pay is lower. I agree with Hillary on this. 180 days is too short.

    BUT – McCain’s position is that if there is not some cutoff, it will be a legal nightmare and frivolous lawsuits. I don’t necessarily agree with him, but do think it’s a valid point to bring up.

    There ought to be some compromise on this, I think. Maybe make it 2 or 5 years or something to bring suit. But to just make a blanket statement that McCain or Palin believe it’s okay for women to be paid less is not exactly true, or fair.

  373. texan4hillary Says:
    August 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    the ak constitution has an amendment that allows only for marriage beteen a man and a woman. it was passed in 98. so when gay couples sued the supreme ct ruled that same sex benefits did not violate the ak amend. the lege passed a bill to then clarify matters and prohibit the benefits! but palin vetoed the bill partly bc the atty general said the ct was correct in its ruling. she also stated at the time that she had many gay friends and in the end felt benefits couldnt be denied. but she is a conserv.

    We’re going to need a good cite on that, next time anyone has one handy. tdo@turndownobama.com

  374. regarding pee diddy and the bots

    an indictment against the education system as a whole,
    history, civics, and government in particular.

    I bid adieu untill tomorrow, everyone stay safe.

  375. http://www.courant.com/news/politics/ats-ap-cvn-biden-vietnamaug31,0,2934547.story

    Unfucking believable

    and they railed Cheney for it.

    Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

    Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University

  376. Fox on to Michael Moore and Don Fowler comments! “Fowler later apologized saying he was just ‘making fun’ of Jerry Falwell’s comments in the aftermath of 9-11”

    Gee. That helps clear it up Don.

  377. P DIDDY Doesn’t think there are any black people in Alaska and says McCain is bugging the f**k out. All yooooose young people gotta protect yours future and keep Johnny from the WH coz he’s buggin the f**k out.

    See for yourself.

    countusout.wordpress.com/

  378. In case that link doesn’t work here’s the youtube addy.

    it’s Diddy blog #16 entitles, appropriately, John McCain bus the F%$@ out.

    youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  379. THIRD TRY!!!!!!!!

    In case that link doesn’t work here’s the youtube addy.

    it’s Diddy blog #16 entitles, appropriately, John McCain bus the F%$@ out.

    youtube.com/watch?v=thmueS0ngAs&eurl=http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  380. I have to say, the democratic? party is not the party that I thought it was. It is abusive, hypocritical, corrupt, elitist, sexist, amoral, without moral authority, arrogant, and all the other negatives that one wants to assign to them. I disagree with most of McCains ideas, but national security and the economy are big ones to me. I do not trust the Obama party to do the right thing by the people of the U.S. The Global Poverty Act is going to bankrupt this country. It is not something that we can afford. That alone is reason enough, not to vote for him. Some of the other issues may not get by a democratic congress, but after this sham and corrupt primary season, I do not want the democrats in charge of the country. They will run it to the ground (more than it already is). I trust McCain to get us out of Iraq is a responsible manner. BO does not know, what he is doing. My world is upside down.

  381. So what is McCain’s stand on Universal Health Care? Has anyone discussed this before? If so I did not see it.

  382. yeah p diddy, what the hell does all that shit mean. He should learn to speak properly. We dont all speak gangsta.

  383. Basil 9, WOW, So that was P diddy. So are the democrats bringing out the best of the best to help in the election or what??

    Yeah, P Diddy we really want the likes of you telling us how to run the country! LMAO! Can he speak in complete sentences or not??

  384. Moononpluto: WTF!

    Glad to know that The One has such eloquent supporters. Nothing racist, woman hating or negative in THAT video, now is there?

    If these ar ethe ones we have been waiting for, I will take a rain check

  385. I remember how I felt when our soldiers left Viet Nam. I felt like we have given so many lives, and it achieved nothing. I had a cousin that will never forget laying in a field of dead soldiers, while the Viet soliders came thru and shot or stabbed anything that moved. He recovered from that and went back a second time to be wounded.

    After that people spat at him at the airport when he came home.

    I agree with McCain, this must be a victory, if we can do this without giving anymore lives. I think he is smart enough to do it, as he has experience this first hand.

  386. McCain should run that 24/7, yeah this is what the Obama crowd really think about America and what it should be.

  387. Birdgal….Alaska could be wall to wall Black people, but in P-Diddy’s mind, if they were not for Obama, they wouldn’t count.

    WTF? Crack users?

    Yep, just who I want electing the president.

    O’Reilley needs this video!

  388. Don’t you all think its high time we had a person that actually served in the armed services to run this country?? Bush is not was I consider a veteran, he lied about what he did and daddy helped him. CHeaney never served, neither did Bill. Lets get a war hero in here for a while, they can’t do any worse than the others! The suffering that McCain went through will weigh heavily on his mind before ordering troops in arms way!

  389. No bump for bambi…
    New CNN poll taken after convention and after Palin named VP choice has it 49% to 48% for bambi. Damn it is pretty bad when you can not break 50% after your own convention…

    Hillary 2012!!!

  390. Moon,
    For your reading pleasure.
    I know you don’t get youtube over there.
    Some highlights from the Diddy blog.

    About Palin
    The lady’s nice. . .she cool . . . but ALASKA????
    You should got Michelle Obama to be your running mate
    That woulda
    Been something
    Strategic and fly.
    This one right here is not respectful to our lives . . diverse lives
    Yo! You would let her . . . keep your kids?

    Alaska, motherf**ucker?
    What’s the reality in Alaska?
    There ain’t even any crackheads in Alaska
    There’s not no black people and there’s no . . . uh . . . uh . . . crime

    Y’all may be versed on foreign policies but y’all need to get versed on black policies
    We da future.

    John, you
    Re bugging the f*** out man!
    Moon! I kid you not! I’m pretty good at transcriptions and that’s what he SAID!

  391. Looks like those debates might be important. I think they were counting on a significant single digit or double digit lead, with cracking 50 before the Reps had their convention.

    I am Amazed at how nasty a group I thought supported women are against Palin, a lot of it pure smear.

  392. McCain’s gamble on Palin is shrewd
    By Clive Crook

    excerpt

    The instant reaction among Democrats was astonishment. Quickly that gave way to outrage. James Carville, a former adviser to Bill Clinton, said he was “vexed, completely vexed” by the choice. Paul Begala, another friend of the Clintons, in almost his first sentence on the matter, sneeringly attributed Mrs Palin’s poise to her time as a beauty queen. Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the House of Representatives’ Democratic caucus, said: “On his 72nd birthday, this is the guy’s judgment of who he wants one heartbeat from the presidency? Please.” The prevailing attitude was a hair’s breadth from laughter at the bimbo from a state that does not count.

    Will these people never learn? Let me try to walk the experts, with their many years of experience, through this thing.

    The McCain campaign staff could not have scripted a more helpful response. They are anything but embarrassed by a focus on Mrs Palin’s inexperience, and the more spluttering, condescending and incredulous it is, the better. The reason is obvious: Democrats’ amazement at the suggestion that Mrs Palin is fit to be vice-president has disturbing implications for Barack Obama’s own fitness to be president. She, after all, has had two years running a state. He has had no years running anything. Also, if experience matters as much as the Democrats now say, you want it at the top of the ticket, do you not?

    Yes, Mr Obama has some limited experience of Washington. But that in fact is an electoral liability. Congress is much less popular even than George W. Bush. You cannot believe that Mr Obama is a strong and worthy candidate, as I do, and regard lack of Washington experience as a disqualifying factor for the presidency, let alone for the vice-presidency. Ronald Reagan had none. Mr Clinton had none. It did not hold them back in electoral terms and it did not stop them being a great president and a good, if flawed, president respectively.

    The point is simple: for this job, character trumps experience, especially Washington experience, every time. Voters know this even if the experts do not. The public will want to get a sense of whether they like and trust Mrs Palin, and at first blush there is a lot to like. A much higher bar is believing she could cope with the pressure and responsibility that could come her way. If they are satisfied, her being an outsider from an ordinary background, untainted by Washington, will be an advantage, not a drawback. Voters are right to take this view. No training or experience can prepare you for the presidency. On any given issue, the president is surrounded by specialists who know infinitely more about the subject than he does. The ability to weigh the quality of that advice, and then act on it, is what matters.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d2131e4c-7763-11dd-be24-0000779fd18c.html

  393. Y’all may be versed on foreign policies but y’all need to get versed on black policies
    We da future.

    and there we have, this is what its about for a lot of people.

    and i still have no idea, what “bugging the fuck out” means

  394. Question time

    1 : How furious do we reckon bambi is

    2 : How pissed off is Michelle that a woman has come in and stole her thunder.

    3 : How long before Biden passes out drunk or makes the “macaca” moment on stage.

    4 : How long before Obama refers to Sarah as “sweetie”

    5 : How much do we think Bill and Hillary are pissing themselves laughing right now.

    6 : How dumb do we think delegates feel about now.

    7 : How long before the Repub machine ratches it up a notch and starts dropping the mother load of crap of Obama’s

  395. B-Ho and his band of pukes will get a slight reprieve while gustav makes his appearance. after that, expect the gop hammers-from-hell.

    oh yeah..welcome aboard ms. palin. let’s kick some serious ass.

  396. It means going nuts
    freaking out
    acting in a peculiar and uncharacteristic manner
    losing one’s mind
    going off the deep end
    flipping out
    losing one’s sanity
    going crazy

  397. A look at Sarah Palin, fundraiser

    As Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin starts her career on the national political stage — and joins the frenzied chase for big-time bucks — she brings a fundraising past to the table that is modest (to say the least).

    Campaign finance reports show she raised $1.43 million from 2001 to 2006 — less than what a winning race for a seat in the California state Assembly easily could cost.

    She raised most of her total –$1.36 million — in 2005 and 2006, when she was running for governor.

    Palin has not raised money since becoming her state’s chief executive. Under Alaska law, she cannot troll for dollars until next May, and at that point only if she declares for reelection (though if all goes well for her in November, all that will be moot).

    Since John McCain chose Palin as his vice presidential running mate, Times staff writer Ben Welsh, researcher Maloy Moore and data analyst Sandra Poindexter have been gathering data from the Alaska Public Offices Commission’s website. A review of her campaign finance reports shows her biggest single source of money has been the Republican Party: $75,000.

    People involved in the fisheries industry — her husband is a commercial fisherman — have contributed at least $70,000.

    People listing their business as real estate have donated $46,000. Attorneys accounted for at least $30,000, and lobbyists donated $9,800.

    Palin, who favors opening a part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas development (a move McCain opposes), has taken about $13,500 from people involved with oil firms.

    Although she is a Republican, Palin has friends in organized labor. Unions and self-identified union members have donated $17,000 to her campaigns.

    Two days before McCain named her as his running make, Palin attended an AFL-CIO convention in Alaska and signed legislation …

    … putting up $500 million in state money to help TransCanada Corp. research the possibility of a natural gas pipeline from Alaska’s North Slope, which could cost $30 billion and run 1,700 miles. The legislation includes guarantees of union jobs.

    “We see eye-to-eye on a lot of stuff,” said Ron Axtell, vice president of a 1,500-member local of the Laborers Union that has donated to Palin and is in line to receive work on the pipeline. “She is an excellent pick. Most of the people in the state are shocked and pretty jubilant.”

    Palin, who has made a practice of assailing Alaska’s political culture of corruption, took $5,000 from people affiliated with VECO Corp., the company at the center of the criminal inquiry of Sen. Ted Stevens, also a Republican.

    Palin is not implicated in any wrongdoing in the case.

    — Dan Morain

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/a-look-at-sarah.html

  398. moononpluto Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
    yeah p diddy, what the hell does all that shit mean. He should learn to speak properly. We dont all speak gangsta.

    confloyd Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    Basil 9, WOW, So that was P diddy. So are the democrats bringing out the best of the best to help in the election or what??

    Yeah, P Diddy we really want the likes of you telling us how to run the country! LMAO! Can he speak in complete sentences or not??

    Yet, Obama wants us to learn Spanish?

  399. Bugging out on MASH was to move the camp to a different place. Surely he wasn’t talking about that?? I don’t think he knows what he is saying. They r da future, where??

  400. Neetabug, ROTFLMAO, learn spanish, I remember him saying that, some need to learn to speak english first!!

  401. I was amazed that McCain camp said that they raised over 4 million dollars on Friday. The most they had raised in 1 day previously had been 1 million. Looks like the conservatives are now willing to open their checkbooks because of Palin which does not bode well for bambi and his millions of tapped out contributors.

  402. The bots are freaking out all over the place with how to take this woman down.

    What it comes down to, and why they are so frustrated and panicked, is because whether you agree with her or not, Sarah Palin is authentic. She is and always has been exactly what she holds herself out to be. Whether you like her narrative or not, the reality of her life MATCHES her narrative.

    That scares them shitless, because they know that the One does not match his manufactured narrative AT ALL. It’s all fabrication, smoke and mirrors, and they know it.

    Her very existence shows him up for the fraud that he is. This has nothing to do with political ideology, it has to do with being who you say you are.

    She is, he isn’t. That has them terrified.

  403. talked to my neighbor who voted hilary, doesnt like obama and was for mccain. but today she says the palin pick has turned her off mccain bc plain is pro life and bc she has a downs child that needs real attn fromhis mother. i didnt have long to argue points but had to go. this neighbor is self made-grew up in etexas hutning etc.. i thought she would really like her. but msm is spinning palin as a radical right wing witch. we need to comile some talking points on her to seel clinton dems. she is ebing defined by msm as i thought

  404. ok. I’ll play.
    1 – Bo hasn’t even noticed. Messiah’s don’t get angry.
    2 – MO doesn’t consider Alaska a part of America
    3 – I expect him to debate Sarah’s bosom and address her as jugs.
    4 -His handlers have already programmed him for such an event and injected him with a chip that causes electric shock as soon as he gets the first syllable out and prevents him from completing the word.
    5 – They’re hanging out with Carville, Maggie, Wolfson and Chelsea, throwing back shots and playing political charades.
    6 –Delegates are too scared to feel dumb
    7 – The day after convention ends.

  405. that cnn poll is horrible, horrible for bambi. Looks like his ‘bounce’ has been completely diminished by Sarah Palin.

  406. Moon:moononpluto Says:

    August 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
    This ought to kick them where it hurts

    Before you dismiss that Commander of the Alaska National Guard stuff. This came from a reader who plays the game and it jibes with my knowledge.

    Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    What is your citation for this???

  407. texan4hillary, your neighbor would rather have Obama instead? She was not for McCain in the first place.
    Next time tell her, she would rather have Obama, who would let a an aborted child that is alive to just die.

  408. t4h, McCain is pro-life, too. Looks like she was searching for a reason not to go with McCain. I wouldn’t worry about it.

  409. What is your citation for this???
    …………………………………………

    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWQ2YzMyNGViMmIyY2I0MTliYjRjYmU4MmMxOWZjODA=

  410. t4h: tell you neighbor that a man can take of a Down’s syndrome child. Her husband is very capable. If she gets elected VP, he will quit his job and be “Mr. Mom.” A very untraditional family in many respects, but modern.

  411. kostner,

    or that Palin gave McCain a double digit bounce, which you would have expected after the convention. I think Kerry at least got 6 and with the way they built this guy up, I would have thought him to be 25% ahead going into the convention, and get another 25% from the convention.

    McCain must really feel good about now. He is making the right and risky moves to win.

    Makes me feel good when they say they were not ready, as Dean was giving them advanced information all along at the Dems level. Guess what, this is the way it usually is. Now you really have to work for it. Good Luck.

  412. compilation of smear against Sarah Palin over the past 48 hours. Horrific. I’m sure Palin can deal with this herself, but I’m absolutely mad they’re dragging an innocent 17 years old kid into this mud. Let’s say a prayer for her family.
    —————————

    h t t p : / / proteinwisdom.com/?p=13191

  413. Question time

    1 : How furious do we reckon bambi is

    I think he is second guessing his vp selection all to hell and back. Probably mad at Biden for accepting because he never blames himself.

    2 : How pissed off is Michelle that a woman has
    come in and stole her thunder.

    Scoopjaw is raising her hands in the air and clawing like a cat and saying just the thing a white man would do. (Note: apparently this is her reaction to any bad news–this clawing stuff).

    3 : How long before Biden passes out drunk or makes the “macaca” moment on stage.

    Already happened. He is stuck on the club car of the Amtrack special or American Flyer. And he is so drunk that they dont dare light a match within 50 feet of him.

    4 : How long before Obama refers to Sarah as “sweetie”

    Not never. If you call a barracuda sweetie you might just get eaten for lunch.

    5 : How much do we think Bill and Hillary are pissing themselves laughing right now.

    There is that wonderful line in the movie The Desert Fox where Field Marshall Kesselring turns to Rommel (James Mason) and says after you have saved the bohemian corporal from himself time after time after time you reach a point where you are inclined to just sit back and let nature take its course.

    6 : How dumb do we think delegates feel about now.

    The dumb ones just feel normal. No measureable brain activity. I hope they feel like the traitors they are to the country. Remember this: they knew how corrupt the causcus system was and still they voted for him. Shameful people. There were some who stood tall. They are heroes/

    7 : How long before the Repub machine ratches it up a notch and starts dropping the mother load of crap of Obama’s

    One nano second after the Convention. But the best will be saved for last. No sense spoiling a nice surprise.

  414. One key differnce now. The Republican party is united and energized. My sense is the Democratic party under bambi is neither. That difference translates into action in the first case and inaction in the other. As Gloria Steimem put it many democratic women may vote for Obama but the question is will they go the extra mile and campaign for him. If they know him for what he is they will do neither.

  415. true guys. true. i will work on the neighbor. i think the dems will try and make palin the referdeum. wont work. i hope palin will do some outraech phone confs with hillary pumas very soon. i also hope mccain will give us some compromise on some issue-ie will say he will consult with hillary on healthcare issues etc..

  416. The Young Turks are angry at us

    HillaryIs44.com: Do they even allow dissenting posts?

    I will post the link if you want me to.

  417. No wonder Sarah Palin wanted this Trooper removed, total nutcase.

    media.adn.com/smedia/2008/07/21/16/Wooten_suspend_letter.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

    That is the investigation and suspension report, only 5 days suspension, you would think if a trooper admitted to unlawfully tasering a 10 yr child which could have killed him, he’d be sacked.

    This next link is a huge report on the supposed scandl, the trooper was a 6 ft 5, 260 pd nutcase attacking a 5ft 2 woman.

    I’d want his ass removed out of the force too.

    http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/29/palins-troopergate-beating-msm-distortions-to-the-truth/

  418. Remember right after she pulled out and McCain had that conference call? We were not very impressed, meaning he did not go after us with a sales pitch, and I think maybe we were expecting some of what we had with Hillary. Of course, I think he was surprise to find himself on the phone with us. I also don’t think he wanted to convince us to do anything, and felt it was too early.

    However, texan4hillary, I think we need to have another discussion with him.

    To me Universal health care is the number 1 issue, especially if we cover everyone. This will help our single parent women, and gays. Yes, we need all of the rest of it, but if we work for too much, we get nothing.

    What do you think?

  419. If Obama had picked Hillary as VP (and she accepted), do you all think McCain would’ve chosen Palin? I think not.

  420. HillaryIs44.com: Do they even allow dissenting posts?

    You mean like the way they ban anything that isn’t pro-Obama? Talk about double standards.

  421. im wondering if ak has equal pay laws
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    The Equal Pay Act of 1963 is legally binding on all states. The Constitutution and all federal laws passed pursuant thereto are the supreme law of the land all state and local laws to the contrary notwithstanding.

  422. its time to play make a deal. i dont think mccains hq is open tommorro but the number-703-418-2008. speak to citizens for mccain folks. we need to lobby

  423. If Obama had picked Hillary as VP (and she accepted), do you all think McCain would’ve chosen Palin? I think not
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    agreed Paula.

  424. Paterson Identifies With Palin
    At a press conference in Albany today where he announced the deployment of New York National Guard members to assist in the response to Hurricane Gustav, Gov. David Paterson was asked one off-topic question:

    What was his reaction to John McCain’s selection of the little-known governor of Alaska to be his running mate?

    Paterson, who is Exhibit A for how important an executive’s No. 2 can be, at first seemed to side-step the question, saying he had never met Sarah Palin. But then he offered this:

    “When unknown people are thrust into national attention, quite often they are looked down upon, but quite often they get the last laugh.”

    According to by DN colleague Glenn Blain, the governor laughed and then ended the Q-and-A.
    *****************************************
    I see somebody has some sense.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/08/paterson-identifies-with-palin.html

  425. its time to play make a deal. i dont think mccains hq is open tommorro but the number-703-418-2008. speak to citizens for mccain folks. we need to lobby
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    Lobby for what?

  426. Paula, i did not want Hillary as VP, She should have nothing less than the President spot. Even if Hillary ran for vp, i still would not have vote for o/H ticket. Not after what went down during this primary.

    I don’t know whether he would have or not. He has been checking her out since Feb. I am happy he picked her.

    I am not the one to be second guessing McCain.

    It is O against M Hillary 2012. I have moved on with this Hillary issue

  427. So let’s see where we are here:

    Gov. Palin – the Commander of Alaska Army National Guard’s 49th Missile Defense Battalion

    Sen. Obamba – the Chicago-Daley Political Machine

    you get no clearer than this. Dept of Defense on Alaska’s vital strategic military installations and who’s in charge.

    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=2483

    FORT GREELY, Alaska, Dec. 20, 2006 – Just a few years ago, this snow-swept central Alaskan post lay dormant, closed through the Base Realignment and Closure process. But today it’s up and running again at full speed, serving as the epicenter of the United States’ Ground-Based Midcourse Defense program.

    Eleven ground-based interceptor missiles buried in underground silos here represent a key part of a multi-layered defense system designed to protect the United States from a ballistic missile attack. These interceptors, and two more at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., would destroy incoming missiles at the “midcourse phase,” outside the earth’s atmosphere.

    In the event of an attack, members of the Alaska Army National Guard’s 49th Missile Defense Battalion based here would use sophisticated surveillance and radar systems to track the missile through its initial boost phase, explained Maj. Joe Miley, the unit’s operations officer. If the missile reached the midcourse phase, the Alaska Guardsmen would await the order to engage it.

  428. Just ordered the book mentioned earlier from Epicenter Press about Sarah Palin by Kaylene Johnson. Epicenter Press is about all things Alaskan.

    Sure PETA is having a wall-eyed fit about the pics of the stuffed grizzly bear that her Dad killed on the back of a sofa in her office. It’s found right across the room from a giant stuffed lobster she netted, on a table.

    Life in Alaska must be like the country was like 100 years ago in many ways. Totally see McCains’s fascination with her and husband’s lifestyle. McCain’s sense of adventure and going where no one has gone before has always defined him.

    After all, his hero, Teddy Roosevelt, the Bull Moose Party, Rough Riders, all conjure up images of Teddy’s lasting contribution to the United States – the National Park System. His game hunting was legendary. Picture TR leading the brigade atop a steed at San Juan Hill. That’s how McCain sees himself, I’m convinced. A different kind of President. One not afraid to tackle the opponent or the great outdoors. Not just content to sit behind a desk or stand behind a podium, he wants to be in the middle of whatever is going on around him.

    Recall from stories and pics that TR’s large den/library/billiard room painted dark red, featured a moosehead over the large fireplace mantle.

    McCain’s kinship to TR works perfectly with the image we all have of Alaska, made a state, ironically in 1959 along with BHO’s “supposed” birthplace, Hawaii. (Don’t hear P Diddy having a problem with that.)
    So TR’s life pursuits sound much like Alaska – the last frontier, and Teddy Roosevelt image of America.

    Realistically, maybe looking to the “last frontier” to find what this country needs – to cut through the red-tape, corruption, and special interests that now define this country – is just what we, the people need.

  429. that cnn poll is horrible, horrible for bambi. Looks like his ‘bounce’ has been completely diminished by Sarah Palin.
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    Maybe so but man can that guy unite a party. Bots screaming at the top of their lungs pounding on doors offering bribes tears people locking themsteves in rooms secret floor calls and massive cheating make for one big happy family. It was a 100milion dollary tribute to him. Him .. . .

  430. larry reviews palin and thinks she isnt a nut. has not used her office to push anti abortion acts etc
    http:/ /noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/31/trying-to-make-palin-batshit-crazy/

  431. Obama went after McCain’s “temperament” which the MSM has now fixed on — does McC have a temper? Is it a problem?

    As I listened, I listed a temper as an asset right now.
    Remember Jesus throwing the money lenders out of the temple? He was pretty angry and now, the electorate is pretty angry and we won’t get upset if McC takes the special interests and the lobbyists and the good-ol-boys and says “GET OUT!!!!”

  432. Heck, I’ve known for years McCain has a temper. So does Bill Clinton, lol. I don’t give a flying fig either way.

  433. I was surprised to learn Larry Johnson of No Quarter does not endorse John McCain. All I can say Larry I hope you are still trying to get Obama to lose! We don’t need this man in the WH.

  434. confloyd, Larry has explained several times why he doesn’t support McCain. He believes he’s too much of a neocon in foreign policy. But he can’t stand Obama.

  435. At first glance, I very much like how McCain is handling the convention. Given that it is such a sensitive time, he is showing great leadership.

  436. Obama ‘Tired of Listening to Folks Who Talk Tough and Act Dumb’ on Foreign Policy
    August 31, 2008 9:19 PM

    “We are going to change our foreign policy,” said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to a crowd of 17,500 in Battle Creek, Mich., this evening, “because I am tired of listening to folks who talk tough and act dumb.”

    Hmmm…Whom could the senator be talking about?

    “If John McCain wants to have a debate about foreign policy,” Obama continued, “I am happy to have that debate.”

    — Jake Tapper and Andy Fies

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/obama-tired-of.html

  437. carby: I am so sick of BO. He couldn’t debate McCain out of a paper bag, much less foreign policy. He is a blow hard.

  438. Governor Manchin Comments on Palin
    Posted Sunday, August 31, 2008 ; 09:28 PM

    West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin actually worked with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.
    Story by Steven Centofanti
    Email | Bio | Other Stories by Steven Centofanti

    Wheeling — West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin was in Wheeling on Sunday.

    He had some nice things to say about presumptive Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

    Manchin and Palin worked together in the National Governor’s Association.

    “With me she was a good ally because we were working on energy security for our nation and what the governor’s position would be, so we worked very well together,” said Manchin.

    The general election is just over two months away.

    http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=43378

  439. I thought it interesting to read that McCain/Palin had 17,000 at their rally too. Obama is no longer the “star” now, is he!

  440. I am beginning to wonder if Sarah was the Republicans secret weapon?

    She really is the person Obama is trying to convince he is. He says he is going to change Washington and she already has! I bet Axelrove is crapping his panties!

  441. Paula, yes. Can’t remember where it was they campaigned today and spoke about Gustav, but the article said 17K in attendance.

  442. The stupid DNC should have realized they had the dream ticket Clinton/Obama and 16 years in control of the Whitehouse, but Kennedy could not wait to see a black man in the WH, so now Ted see what you will get. Now the Dream Team will be McCain/Palin.

  443. Con – their abject hatred of the Clintons, and the egotistical self-serving pandering of the “leadership” heralded by Donna Brazille, was more valuabel to them than ACTUAL leadership of the nation.

    McCain has a hell of a lot to do to move away from Bush and the Wingnut Christian right to be able to capitalize on the DNC hubris, and I agree with H4T that we now must put pressure on the RNC and Mccain personally to address the centrist American (Clinton Democrat) issues

  444. William Kristol posted this e-mail from Newt Gingrich on the Palin impact:

    Authenticity is the one word threat to the Obama-Biden ticket.

    There is something going on this weekend which traditional pundits, traditional consultants and traditional politicians are simply missing. All of the normal biography-oriented and issue-oriented analysis misses an emotional gestalt event comparable to when Ronald Reagan in 1980 crystalized his leadership in New Hampshire when he seized control of the GOP debate.

    In one sudden moment Friday, John McCain fundamentally changed American politics in a manner that transcends issues and details.

    The great threat to the Obama-Biden ticket can be captured in one word: authenticity.

  445. Obama there are now two able and honorable women standing in the way in your drive to become the king of the AA empire.America is ready to see you for what you are and when the RNC and FOX start the process next week ,you are going to drown in your own cesspool of lies and associates that borders on
    attempted treason and malfeasance in office in the senate as you played out your scenario to be THE CHOSEN ONE.Time to hit the road Barack Hussein Obama and take Mo your most reliable adviser,with you.Your gall,your lies,your dishonesty,but most
    of all your use of the AA followers to further your evil agenda.

    By ABM90 Now is the time to support Hillary and show our gratitude for her unselfish efforts to save our country from
    the disaster of a BHO presidency.

  446. (Note: the end game of the primary was predicted by Republican strategist Mary Matlin two months earlier on the Glen Beck Show:

    The Democratic Party leaders don’t care that Obama is damaged goods. If they they take it away from him, they will blow up the party. They don’t really care if they win the White House, because they presume they’re going to hang onto both chambers of Congress, where they can continue being the object of special interests. And that`s what they`re going to do. They don`t care unless he starts to hurt the down ticket races. They think they can work with McCain, and that`s the way it`s going to go.

    They’re all tired. And that`s what is Mrs. Clinton`s strength. I mean, she`s the ever — she`s the Energizer bunny. She just keeps on. You can’t knock her down. And people like that she`s fighting. Democrats particularly like that. They like that fight in her, although, again, they`re not going to give it to her. . . And his issue was he cannot connect to people. He just cannot connect. They’ve created this monster. They had this messianic myth that they blew up, and now they’re stuck with him)

  447. Wow, apparently Alan Colmes said on Fox that Palin is responsible for her baby having Down syndrome because she didn’t get to the hospital in time. WTF?

    You can tell how shocked/stunned the Dems are by the Palin pick because they’re totally losing their marbles.

  448. West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin actually worked with Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

    Support from Manchin (nee Mancini)-the last surviving mafiosi.

  449. The Dems are known for “screwing themselves” by shooting themselves in their feet and then it takes someon like the Clintons who has to “clean it up” unfortunately.

    Remember how Hillary said, “Clean up after the Bush the first time and now to clean up the second Bush”

    Unfortunately, this time, it’ll be “CLEAN UP THE DAMN ELITES!”

  450. Pawlenty of MN is doing a great job supporting Sarah against Tom Brokaw (repeat of this morning’s Sunday talk shows on c-span now)

    For a man who was told a few days ago he’d missed the brass ring, I’m impressed. He’s doing it with grace.

  451. Now… picture this (as Estelle Getty would say as Sophia in Golden Girls, bless her)

    If President McCain and Vice President Palin took the White House and Senator Hillary Clinton continues to represent New Yor kand the 18 million voters who voted for her (or more that changed their minds since)

    or

    If President Obama and Vice President Biden took the White House and Senator Hillary Clinton continues to respresent New York and the 18 million voters who voted for her (or more that changed their minds since)

  452. Barky uhhhh, um, follows McCain’s lead in the “network of donors and folks on the ground” to help with the aftermath of the storm. I am glad that after Don Fowler and Michael Moore’s cynical distasteful remarks on Obama’s behalf that he is taking this seriously. I just know disasters. Been working them 20 years now, and I know these responses are not for a bunch of dweeby college kids. If they want to hand out water and donate to the American Red Cross, fine, but if the bottles have an Obama Campaign logo on them, they will be the laughingstock of and embarrassment to disaster responders and hurricane victims everywhere. If past is prologue he will make it about him and a campaign event. I will wait and see.

  453. Weird video of Biden. Is he actually drunk???

    youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY&eurl=http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

  454. Paula: Wow, apparently Alan Colmes said on Fox that Palin is responsible for her baby having Down syndrome because she didn’t get to the hospital in time. WTF?

    Colmes is an absolute idiot. I read earlier today that he had that posted on his website, but did he actually say that on T.V.? Any high school biology student knows that Down’s syndrome is a chromosomal anomaly. What a frickin’ idiot.

    Btw, does anyone think, that down ticket Republicans might energize the base to vote for them? If so, there goes the dems thinking that downticket is more important.

  455. BTW when did Tom Brokaw morph into Tim Russert? I thought he was retired and didn’t really want a full time gig.

    He is being nasty about Sarah, in a Tom Brokaw subtle way.

  456. We need to write Fox for letting Colmes spread that rumor. She had a normal for her age amniocentesis at 5 months and that is when they found the down’s syndrome. THis is standard operating procedure for any woman over 40 to have this test to determine any abnormalities. THe stupid pundits better STFU, they are going to millions to McCain with out even realizing it. Dumbfu*&ks all of them!

  457. Maybe the dummocrats are realizing all the republican support they got was to kick out Hillary for an easier candidate to beat. LOL!!

  458. Norma

    BO and his cronies already turned Stephanie Tubbs Jones funeral into a political rally yesterday…so disaster response teams should be prepared for his descent from the heavens, or ban him from the area.

  459. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/

    Another great endorsement for Barky

    _________

    Son sees father’s handiwork in convention

    August 31, 2008

    ALL THE elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situations and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people. The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style.

    Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

    I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.

    L. DAVID ALINSKY

  460. ok taylor m and you other folks smearing palin on not being israel and jew friendly. list start with this one-from the lubvavich natl paper.

    Alaska’s Jewish Community on Palin Selection
    August 31, 2008
    Alaska’s Governor Sarah Palin, a relative unknown to most Americans until she was named McCain’s running mate this Friday, enjoys wide popularity in her home state and the respect of the broader Jewish community there, Rabbi Yossi Greenberg, Chabad’s representative to Alaska’s Jewish community told Lubavitch.com.

    “She’s established a great relationship with the Jewish community over recent years, and has attended several of our Jewish cultural gala events,” he said.

    Palin has shown solidarity with Israel by signing a State of Alaska Resolution recognizing Israel’s 60th Anniversary and its relationship with Alaska. In the resolution, Governor Palin pointed to Alaska’s special connection to Israel dating back to Alaska Airlines’ participation in the rescue of 40,000 Yemenite Jews when it airlifted them from Yemen to Tel Aviv during 1948 and 1949.

    Drafted by members of the Alaska Legislation and heavily supported by Speaker of the House, Representative John Harris, Governor Palin signed the resolution in the presence of Alaska’s Jewish community leaders this June.

    According to Greenberg, Governor Palin had plans to visit Israel with members of the Jewish community, which did not happen yet because of scheduling conflicts.

    On a personal level, Greenberg was “impressed by Governor Palin’s remarks of hope and faith when she gave birth to a child with special needs.” Her words, he observed, were completely aligned with Judaism’s traditional views on embracing the birth of child with special needs as a gift of G-d, no less than is the birth of any baby.

    Though Greenberg was unequivocal in stating that Chabad representatives do not endorse political candidates, and as spiritual leaders reach out to anyone regardless of political affiliation, he did say, “We all feel that the Governor is a remarkable, energetic, and good person.”

    (Source: Lubavitch.com)
    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/22834/Alaska‘s+Jewish+Community+on+Palin+Selection.html

  461. Looks like New Orleans might not get a direct hit, which is good to me. I went through a direct hit and they are not fun. I hope they got everyone out including their little pets.

  462. OT, but this has me laughing my ass off. The bots are really confirming one thing to me with their obsession with the faux baby-gate. There is now no doubt in my mind that they are largely a bunch of cheeto-eating adolescents. How do I know?

    Their complete and total ignorance on anything relating to pregnancy or womens bodies. First they seemed unaware that Down’s Syndrome is a genetic disorder that cannot in any way shape or form be caused by anything the mother did or did not do during pregnancy.

    Oh, but it gets better. This is the latest icky-vagina, wimmins are suspicious with all that childbirthiness stuff, conspiracy theory being bandied about now:


    And if you look closely enough at the story you will find that her travels were as strange as the claim of BHO’s US citizenship.

    (Hint: After she gave her keynote address, after her water broke, she got on a plain to Alaska, by-passed a state of the art hospital, drove for 45 min to a secondary hospital in a smaller town and gave birth. I’d call that tale as strange as BHO’s birth)

    And my reply:

    I drove to the next city over when I had my last child (I have four), because that is where my Ob/Gyn whom I adored, did deliveries.

    Get a clue, moron. Women don’t rush off in a panic to the nearest hospital when they go into labor, except in sitcoms. And after four babies, they usually know their own bodies well enough to be able to gauge very accurately how far along in labor they are, and how much time they have.

    Jesus, the ignorance, it burns.

  463. Biden sure looks stewed. Can’t blame him. Getting stone drunk is the only way to cope with having to see B.O. and Michelle for more than a nanosecond.

    Hillary and Bill Clinton did their events on the porches of houses. Obama is now stealing that imagery. It won’t work for him and neither will Biden. Casey did not help Obama in Pennsylvania and even a gin-soaked Biden won’t save the day.

  464. Biden looks over-the-top, plus interesting how you don’t hear squat or much about Obama’s ever-so-graceful stage performance (scarcasm here)

  465. a lot of people at my job said they were displeased by Obama and his speech. They reported that he seemed more angrier and less hopeful not as inspiring as he was once. Even more declinded to want to vote for him. This is from the central part of Florida. The I-4 belt of Florida. Remember how this was critical in Gore-Bush election? Well, Obama’s definately lost it here.

  466. happy anniversary, admin!

    it seems that those of us who have been hurt by the abuse that hillary suffered in the hands of her own party have found our new gal in palin. she’s been mentioned hereabouts a long time ago as a possible mccain running mate to counter hillary’s candidacy (or so we thought) but now that it’s official, i am liking her more. actually, i’m now excited to vote for mccain (pigs really do fly)
    all of my friends cannot stomach voting for obama and biden. btw, aren’t they both plagiarists?

  467. Justme, I hope this jerk doesn’t win, I mean it scares me to have this guy as President with a thug cabinet and drunken vice president.

    That video looked like the Obama’s were laughing like they knew he was a little loaded.

  468. admin
    do u think mccain camp should define palin /ads etc few know her and msm is smearing her.
    -also palin is opposed to stem cell research, abortion etc.. should she moderate a bit on this? swing voters are for stem cell research. obama will ty to make this a referendum on palin. just wanting obama crushed is suppose.

  469. I looked at the pictures from the daughter of McCain’s blogsite. The Palins looks really connected with the McCains. The kids seems very “togetherness”. Gov. Palin and her husband must have raised their kids well. Piper connected well with the audience and other children cared for one another. Really touching.

  470. Opposed to stem cell research? Ugh, that’s not going to go over well at all. That basically won McCaskill her election in MO.

  471. we need clarifications on so much! mcain is for stem cell-although the issue is mute bc of the new cheap tech of mick stem cells. stem cells are obsolete

  472. mj, geez is that what Claire won on? They sure did not get much for their vote. I imagine Claire will be on the unemployment line soon, don’t you??

  473. confloyd, we have to be sure it happens with Claire.

    We need Admin to give us a guide, some sort of a step-by-step of how to clean up the Democrat Party to return to the fundamentals that it based on with FDR.

  474. Biden is train treck… Just saying…

    I’ve studied Sarah Palin and her positions thoroughly, and I truly like her. She is a social conservative, but there’s no sign she’s pushing her personal belief as governing agenda. She has not taken any hardline position on social issues after becoming governor.

    I doubt Sarah Palin will be appealing to the liberal feminists. Her real value is to excite the conservative, while at the same time appeal to non ideologue soccer moms/blue collar reagan democrats. I am farily indifferent to hotly debated social topics such as abortion/environmental/gay marriage/stem cell. As long as the politician does not push his/her personal belief one way or the other, I will not choose a candidate based on these issues. I will choose a candidate based on accomplishements, characters, intelligence, toughness, in other words, more intangible stuff. I think many if not most so-called independent voters think the same way as i.

    By the way, I am very very skeptical about Al Gore’s global warming scheme…

  475. I love this posting on noquarter tonight

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/31/palins-authenticity-is-the-obamabiden-ticket-threat/#more-4521

    Comment by imustprotest | 2008-08-31 21:47:13

    If Palin is Cinderella, that make Barry Soretoes the evil stepsister.

    Reply to this comment
    Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-31 22:48:38

    No it makes Barky the Horse Drawn Carriage.
    All glittery and fancy and grande and impressive and drawn by four magnificent steeds…Kennedy Pelosi Dean and Reed, And driven by two elegently dressed stewards…Mathews and Olberrman.

    Sadley Obama turns back into a pumpkin at midnight. The horses to field mice and the two stewards….ermmm..i cant remember did Fairy God Mother Ayers use two toads, or two turds?

    Politically the time is 11:30 p.m.

  476. i agree. it is alos typical for the vp to moderate postions to fit the nom’s views. lieberman had to do this in 2000 etc.. i expect so from palin and am eager to hear her speak in more detail to the people

  477. birdgal ,

    the GOP base has been electrified by the choice of Sarah Palin… That alone is worth the price. The money is pouring into mccain’s coffin, the crowd is getting bigger and bigger without free bear and pop stars. I read the latest CNN poll, McCain support among GOP is zooming to 95%…

  478. I am glad the GOP is finally stepping up to the plate, now is not the time just to let the democrats have it. Had it been Hillary, I would be not be saying this, but this guy is poison, he was raised and mentored by communists atheists and grew up to finish his training off the the black liberationists. He is just scarey to me!

  479. I just thought of something…..being new to politics etc i am wondering if i am registered dem
    can i vote for the GOP come november????

    or do i need to register as a rep or indy???

    are the rules the same in all states ?

  480. texan4hillary ,

    After scanning the scary headlines pumped out by dailykooks type on Sarah palin’s positions on abortion/creationist/global warming, i suggest everybody take a breath and read no quarter’s article. There’s no sign she is as extreme as those headlines sound. On abortion, she accepts cases where moms’ safety is in danger, but she said personally she’d choose life no matter what… On a hypothetical question, if R&W was overturned, whether states should ban abortion, her question is fairly moderate as a conservative, she said it’s up to the people of each state, not the governor.

    She never said creaionist should be taught in school. She said it’s a topic that should be allowed to discuss in classrooms.

    On global warming, she expressed skeptism about ‘man-made’ nature, but she actually created a tast force to study global warming’s effect in Alaska after becoming governor.

    I see nothing particularly extreme about her social views. She has not pushed any of her personal views into public agenda after becoming governor.

    I think she’s more leaning towards libertarian than the hard-core right wing philosophy on social issues. The evangelical base may have bought into their own illusion. In other word, she may not be their girl.

  481. texan4hillary, the McCain campaign should let Governor Palin speak for herself. Palin’s big moment will be Wednesday when she speaks to the convention and the nation. Palin did a fantastic job of defining herself on Friday in a stop-gap way (lasting for the next few days). Palin can finally define herself with her convention speech and let us all know her stand on various issues. Right now there are a lot of rumors which when investigated lead to a much more complex portrait.

    For example, idiots at TalkingPimpsMemo and other Hopium dens are pushing the story that Palin supported Obama because she said he was popular in Alaska and that people wanted change. Clearly McCain/Palin are going to push “change” under the guise of “reform”.

    Along with the Obama supporter scam they are pushing the idea that Palin agrees with Obama on timelines for Iraq. Their evidence for the Iraq story is this sound bite ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7niokOXyjs ) which we do not hear as supporting evidence. Again, McCain/Palin will approach Iraq as a “seeking solutions” “reform” campaign issue.

    The next big event where Palin can define herself will be the vice-presidential debate. Palin should after the convention campaign on her own.

    The quotes that TPM and the Hopium dens are using to muddy up Palin tell us something quite different. Sarah Palin is like nitroglycerin. Handle with care. The Democrats are making mistake after mistake in dealing with her – the typical try to destroy with research and attempts to “define” her. That will be very difficult to do. Obama was difficult to deal with because he was a celebrity phenomenon and people were simply curious about him. Same with Palin. People are curious about Palin and she needs to define herself at the convention and at the debate.

    As the posted above youtube audio indicates Palin is almost immune to being attacked on Iraq because of her 18 year old son who just joined the army last September 11 – this is potent uncalculated symbolism. McCain thus far has not employed his secret weapons (his sons were in Iraq too). Not yet.

    As to Palin’s positions on issues/policy such as stem cells we are hearing a lot of rumors and contradictory evidence. The “creationism” attack seems to be more complicated, the is she pro or anti gay is complicated by facts; we suspect the stem cell, abortion etc. will be equally complicated.

    But politically speaking, let’s remember Clinton’s (Bill) saying “Better to be strong and wrong than weak and right.” What Americans have thus far seen of Palin indicates this is one very strong woman. So – watch out. Don’t mess with her. Democrats are falling into a big trap with what they are doing in trying to “define” Palin. Remember the Obama campaign came out with a strong initial attack then backed off then got surrogates to do the strong attacks. They should beware and read what was written in today’s article.

  482. Admin, you are right on the spot as usual.

    I hope you’ve seen my posts asking that you give us a guide – step-by-step – on how to clean up the Democrat Party and restore it to what made it great. It’s so loosely and scattered with a bunch of elites trying to run the party.

  483. Admin: On another blog, I suggested that people do not underestimate Sarah Palin. She didn’t earn the name “barracuda” for nothing. Many liberals are underestimating her. Alaska is a macho, rough and tumble state. She did not get to be governor by being weak.

  484. In terms of communication skills… If we use Hillary Clinton as a yard stick for the most accomplished woman politician, a very effective communicator.

    I’d say Sarah is a very good speaker, I’d say she’s better than Hillary in early 2007. Hillary has improved dramatically over the course, I’d say she is now the best speaker except perhaps Clinton. I’ve never liked Obama’s speaking style, can’t stand him, so it’s hard for me to evaluate him in an objective way.

    In terms of doing interview. Hillary is still THE BEST, very articulate, sharp, and her knowledge is unmatchable. Sarah is very very good in a few interviews I’ve seen. She’s a bit like Hillary, her answers usually include lots of specifics, not just talking points. But the problem for her is that Sarah is only focused on some narrow topics such as energy, she has lots of learning to do. Obama usually sticks to talking points with nothing substantial.

    In terms of debate, Hillary is THE BEST, havent seen any debate clips of Sarah, but I doubt she’s a dumb if her interviewing ability is of any guidance. Obama is a terrible debater.

    I heard McCain campaign is now giving Palin crash course on foreign policies/national security. Hopefully she’s a quick learner. I mean everybody is talking about her lacking of experience on national security/foreign policies. Give me a break, the so-called experience is to memorize all those talking points on Iraq/Iran/North Korea/Russia/China etc , then you go to a few talk shows, then suddently you’re an expert …. Crazy….

  485. admin,

    i agree with your analysis. Right now, the democrats want to ‘define’ Sarah by spreading all sorts rumors. But the good thing for her is that she has the speech on wednesday everybody will be watching. It’s a very controllable event, and she is a rather effective speaker. After she sets forth all the usual talking points on social issues, the attack will seem obsolete. The debate and interview on those hot topics will be very tricky though. The big media boys will undoubtedly ask all sorts of crazy question such as whether you’ll have an abortion if you get raped… She’d better be prepared… I agree with you, people like politican who appears strong even they think she/he is wrong, I think she’s be straigthforward on her conviction answering those crazy questions.

  486. Yesterday, someone posted a link to mydd, where there was a posting from a democrat in Alaska, who worked for her opponet during the election for governor. His/her point was “do not underestimate this woman.” She has charisma, is good at debates, and the people of Alaska loved her enough to elect her. Her approval rating has remained at around 80%. How many politicians do you, with approval ratings like this?

  487. Any truth to what i read up thread about Alan Colmes saying that Palin’s son has down’s syndrome because she didn’t get to the hospital soon enough? If its true he needs to be fired yesterday. Such a statement sickens me even more than the egregious misogony we have heard over the last year. Please please tell me that it is untrue.

  488. LOoks like Fema has done their homework and got a lot of people out. Thankgoodness, the refugees we got here in Crockett were really sick and had many medical issues. We were so busy at the hospital here for months. Of coarse we were totally understaffed because that is the new way the hospitals like to run them.

  489. Henry, I read that on Riverdaughter this a.m. someone said it was posted on his website, but taken down. I hope, it is just a rumor.

  490. Norma Desmond Says:
    McCain has a hell of a lot to do to move away from Bush and the Wingnut Christian right to be able to capitalize on the DNC hubris, and I agree with H4T that we now must put pressure on the RNC and Mccain personally to address the centrist American (Clinton Democrat)
    ===================

    Maybe it’s wishful thinking but I do sense an opportunity here. Palin strikes me as someone we might work with. She seems more interested in actually getting things done — things both sides can agree on, big practical things — than fanatical ideological posing.

    She might be able to look at real solutions to the abortion controversy — ie better contracetives or better education about contraception.

    McCain is stretching toward us Hillaristas, the moderates, the Reagan Dems = Clinton Inds. OF course if HIllary runs in 2012 he may lose that invsestment. But he may be looking at a future where she does not run in 2012, and he might get to keep us. So if we vote for him now and he keeps trying to please us through 2012 and Palin or someone else continues the strategy — we might just get some permanent improvement in the GOP adn some good things done.

  491. NY Times has a new article on Hillary/Palin/Obama triangle. I hope this story is just a rumor. Hillary is a savvy politician, she needs to understand there’s nothing she can gain by campaigning against Sarah Palin on behalf of Obama. She is not obama’s running mate, it’s not her responsibility to attack GOP’s running mate. She will lose tremedous goodwill among independent voters by jumping into this mess. The dean/peolosi/obama wing won’t thank her for the efforts. I think Sarah is pretty savvy politician. When she thanked Hillary by being a trailbrazer in PA, she got some boos. I already noticed she dropped that line in today’s rally in MO. Very interesting dynamics.

    I really hate the idea that Obama is going to use her more and more …
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    McCain’s Pick May Foster Bigger Campaign Role for Clinton
    h t t p : / / http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/us/politics/01clinton.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

  492. admin-
    u are right. ive investgated palin much. she has never pased a bill to restrcit abortion. she focused soley on corruption and fiscal matters. she also increased funding for poverty programs in ak. my bet is when she goes out to those swing moms in ohio she will clarify her positions and modify them a bit. she and mccain aint fools. and despite the fact i disagree on many issues with palin i will say this-every time there is a sexist attackon her im more and more ready to vote mccain/palin. this is likely mccain’s bet. to mobilize hillary voters outraged by the sexism and who feel cheated. im getting mobilized to give it to the dnc nd to real americans who have proven care and sacrafie for their nation.

  493. birdgal/kostner
    I pray it was just a rumor. If not he must be fired. Down’s syndrome is genetic. But that does not stop the mother of any child facing challanges to question herself. God when I thought I could get no angrier along comes this. It is not just vile it is cruel.

  494. Michigan delegates to Republican convention raise money for Gustav relief
    Deb Price / The Detroit News

    ST. PAUL, Minn. — Michigan Republican delegates pitched in at a silent auction Sunday night to raise money to help any Gulf Coast victims of Hurricane Gustav.

    The silent auction was added to a party hosted by Attorney General Mike Cox. While delegates worried aloud about the damage Gustav might cause the Gulf Coast, they also enjoyed meeting hockey legend Gordie “Mr. Hockey” Howe, the star draw of the night.

    The looming hurricane has thrown the Republican National Convention into uncertainty, but delegates took it in stride, creatively figuring out ways to be helpful.

    In addition to the silent auction, the Michigan delegation will donate blood to the American Red Cross at their breakfast get-together on Tuesday.

    Michigan Republican Party Chairman Saul Anuzis, who stopped by the Cox party, said other states’ delegations liked the blood drive idea so much that they are expected to arrive at the Michigan delegation’s hotel to roll up their sleeves and give blood as well.

    “People want to be helpful. That’s really the focus right now,” said Anuzis.

    Laura Cox, wife of the attorney general, offered lunch with her husband at a starting bid of $250.

    “Lunch with him is actually priceless,” she said, smiling.

    Other items put out to raise money for the American Red Cross included two Michigan State University versus Notre Dame football tickets (starting bid at $200), three Detroit Red Wings tickets (starting at $350), two University of Michigan versus Michigan State University football tickets (starting at $300), and two Detroit Lions tickets (starting at $160).

    Mike Cox was mum about speculation he might run for governor in 2010.

    Cox said he doesn’t expect McCain will lose ground in the presidential race due to the hurricane disrupting the convention.

    “We are doing the absolute right thing in pretty much canceling most events Monday,” Cox said. “And hopefully we’ll be able to raise money that will help the Red Cross, whatever happens.”

    But Cox and the delegates kept the evening upbeat.

    Cox provided each delegate with a personalized hockey jersey, and Howe signed the backs of the jerseys as well as countless hockey pucks.

    The party was held at Tom Reid’s Hockey City Pub, located near the convention center. The pub’s walls were covered with pucks, sticks, antique leather goalie pads — even a chair from the old Chicago hockey stadium.

    Delegates munched on Swedish meatballs, hot chicken wings and apple pie.

    Although the convention hasn’t unfolded the way they expected, delegates swapped tales of exciting experiences.

    For example, Marti Miller, a delegate from Grosse Pointe Woods, attended a Finnish Lutheran church service.

    “It was a little different than my Lutheran church back home,” said Miller, who attends First English Lutheran Church in Grosse Pointe Woods.

    “We never stood up. It was largely a Finnish congregation. But it was a memorable service,” she said.

    Del Becker, an honorary alternate delegate from Clinton Township, said in addition to worrying about the people in the Gulf Coast awaiting Hurricane Gustav, she also was disappointed that she wouldn’t be able to hear President Bush, who canceled his speech.

    She still held out hope that Sarah Palin will be able to give her acceptance speech as the party’s vice presidential nominee.

    “Oh I’d be so disappointed to miss that,” said Becker, who is at her first national convention. “But either way, she is going to do one heck of a job.”

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080901/POLITICS01/809010384

  495. Norma, Palin was chosen to appeal to the conservative base, not Hillary supporters. Her selection has energized the base. Obviously, on a national scale, viewpoints need to be moderated, so we’ll have to see, what happens. She has not done anything to restrict abortions in Alaska. The abortion issue is only of many, and I am not going to get stuck on it, because I don’t think RvsW is going to struck down. On the rare chance that it is, the decision will revert to the states. McCain is not interested in striking down R vs W. Any SCOTUS will be moderated by a democratic congress, if they develop any backbone.

    In addition, the way Bo has been pandering to the conservatives, and the abortion language has been tightened up in the democratic platform, I don’t trust Bo to do the right thing towards women.

  496. turndownobama-com,

    Interesing hypothetical matchup between Sarah Palin(McCain’s VP, one term) vs. Hillary Clinton in 2012. Frankly, I will give the odds to Sarah Palin based on demographics.

    If McCain/Palin administration is relatively popular, Palin will probably beat Clinton by a decent margin. The reason is quite simple. She will get overwhelming majority among male voters, and she will be able to peel away enough independent/non ideological women voters from democratic party’s camp.

  497. Community cautioned against Sen. Biden
    Sunday, 08.31.2008, 09:46pm (GMT-7)

    NEW YORK: Republicans among the Indian-American community have called on the community to be concerned about Democratic Presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama’s choice of Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate in the race to the White House this November. Reacting soon after the announcement that Sen. Biden would run on Obama’s ticket as Vice President, the Indian Americans For McCain released a statement saying, “First Barack Obama put out a memo that insulted Indian-Americans in 2007 and was accused of “engaging in the worst kind of anti-Indian-American stereotyping” about the community and about Americans doing commerce with India.

    Now he has chosen a running mate who also ignorantly engages in Indian-American stereotyping.” “Indian-Americans should have serious reservations about this ticket. John McCain has a solid record of support for Indian-Americans, US-India relations, US-India commerce, and he and his wife have been to India many times.

    He is the best choice for the Indian-American community in November,” said Kishan Putta, National Director of Indians For McCain. Last year, Sen. Biden faced sufficient criticism from the Indian American community and more so from the mainstream media for a comment that portrayed stereotypical images of the community.

    At a campaign pit stop in Delaware, he had said to an Indian American that ‘In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent’.

    The comment had led to widespread debate in the community about Sen. Biden’s perception on India and the Indian American community, although he had been at the forefront in the Senate in supporting the Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement. Major news channels last week, picked on the infamous Biden comment when they ran his profiles even as the announcement of his joining Obama as running mate surfaced.

    India Post

    indiapost.com/article/usnews/3689/

  498. texan4hillary Says:

    September 1st, 2008 at 1:47 am
    wait palin isnt giving an acceptance speech? that cant be

    *****************************************************
    It’s all up to the weather.

  499. Per NYT:

    “With Palin, there is a core group of Hillary supporters who are not available to this ticket or any Republican,” Ms. Lewis said. “Supreme Court appointments is the bottom line. There is a second group who are now giving McCain-Palin a second look, and it depends on how Palin performs. These voters see Hillary as someone who fought and rose to challenges with persistence, and who spoke in real ways to their lives.

    “We don’t know yet how Sarah Palin will perform,” Ms. Lewis added, “and if she lets these voters down, gender is no longer an asset, and it could backfire on Republicans.”

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    Ms. Lewis’s analysis is dead on. I belong to the second group although I’m not a female. I’ve been drawn to Clinton because of her intelligence/persistence/toughness as a woman politician, it has very little to do with specific issues although I largely agree with her positions. If Sara Palin exudes the same traits as Clinton did, she will be able to appeal to the second group regardless of vast differences on issues between them. Again, the soccer moms/blue collar type, not the most liberal female supporters of Clinton.

  500. By the way I don’t know if biden was drunk in the video posted earlier. He may or may not have been, but what I saw was a very pathetic attempt to reach the blue collar voters. If he was sober and acted that way it is a gross insult. If he was drunk ditto.

  501. henry, it’s true. I saw the article before he took it down (though he is saying he stands by it, even though the coward took it down.)

    He wrote that she did not take proper prenatal care, flew after her 8th month, yada da da. It was utterly disgusting.

  502. Colmes needs a basic class in biology. Down’s syndrome happens during the early division of cells in the embryo. It is a chromosomal abnormality. If the dems keep acting like idiots, they are going to turn off more voters. What an idiotic and ignorant thing to say.

  503. henry,

    biden & obama have zero connection with blue collar voters. It’s just pathetic and painful to watch his performance. The only candidate has the potential to appeal to this group is Sarah Palin because of her compelling life story… If she exudes toughness in debates/interviews, she can do it. McCain is also terrible at connecting with blue collar voters. Huckabee is their best asset

  504. “Paterson, who is Exhibit A for how important an executive’s No. 2 can be”

    Might I add, Elliott Spitzer, who is Exhibit A for how important an executive’s No. 1 can be.

  505. I am so far beyond angry right now.
    Alan Colmes is disgusting. I have known women in my life who have had children born less than what we call perfect. And everyone of them has agonized over things that were beyond thier control. A good friend who had a precious little boy with down’s one night cried to me about how angry she had once become at a driver who cut her off while she was pregnant and she questionned herself as to whether the rage she felt played a part. In my opinion the statement by colmes is beneath contempt and takes misogony to the tenth power. He must go.

  506. kostner
    what I wonder is do they think that is the way to communicate to blue colar workers. MO and BO were all smiles in the background. If he were drunk don’t you think they would have looked concerned or tried to cut him off?

  507. this is stupid. nyt says palin may foster bigger role for hillary? admin-dont u think its time obama earned votes? hillary is in debt. isnt on the ticket. and sending her out to fight palin who is a rock star with those same voter s hillary will need when she runs again. im fed up. hillary has done what she can.

  508. birdgal
    beyond idiotic. what about every mother out there with a downs baby who will always wonder always question herself. Well maybe if I had given up coffee or walked a little more. Yuck I so hope there has been some error in the dissemination of this info, because it is too disgusting for me to process. I do not think anyone here is posting false stuff but I find that statement incomprehensible. Noone with a tenth of a brain cell could issue such venom against a new mother. Damn I need a drink.

  509. birdgal: In addition, the way Bo has been pandering to the conservatives, and the abortion language has been tightened up in the democratic platform, I don’t trust Bo to do the right thing towards women
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    Correct. It is not in his nature.

  510. from nyt today-im pissed. and look how camp obaam talks about using hillary. hillary say enough -earn your own damned votes obama. she aint on your ticket.

    Mr. Cecil said the Palin pick would most likely increase the number of Mrs. Clinton’s appearances on the campaign trail, on television and at fund-raisers on behalf of the Democratic ticket. He added that Mrs. Clinton would probably spend “a good deal of time in battleground states, particularly in the suburbs where the race is often won and lost.”

    Obama advisers said they had not settled on the number of days that Mrs. Clinton would campaign for the ticket. She has at least one event next week, they said, adding that all indications from the Clinton camp — with which, before the Democrats’ convention last week, post-primary relations were still bumpy — were helpful and positive.

    “She has been extraordinarily generous and cooperative,” Mr. Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, said of Mrs. Clinton. “Gender politics aside, everything that Hillary has fought for is on the ballot. Palin may add some gender diversity to their ticket, but she doesn’t add any philosophical diversity. Hillary is a huge asset for us, and we want her out there, though we would have wanted her out there regardless of Palin.”

  511. Hillary needs to be very careful here. Many of things these obama maggots say do not come to pass. She is not the vice president. Biden must assume this role or resign. Hillary will not be an asset for anyone if she gets destroyed. She can sell herself but that is not the same thing as selling him. Again she needs to be careful–or she will lose her support.

  512. yes hillary by being deployed by amp obama-and not eht e tone od how his camp refers to her-being sent to reagan dem strongholds to go after palin may seem disengenous to many. whenever she campaigns for obama it feels to me forced. also-these conserv dems she will need in 4 yrs should obama lose. palin is a rising star in these communities. a dangerous dance. hillary stil owes millins, obama does nothing. lewis points out hill’s help is limited-she aint on this ticket biden is. its demaning to so many of us to have hillary used like this. enough.

  513. Sarah Barracuda Palin headlined the campaign event in Missouri today with a line up that went:

    Mike Huckabee
    Mitt Romney
    John McCain
    Sarah Palin

    In her third ever national event, she completely stole the show. Anyone who thinks she is not energizing this campaign is smokin’ Barry Hussein’s crack pipe. A very impressive performance with a clear theme of reforming government and fighting special interests.

    Here’s the video from C-Span. The audio is dead for the first few minutes before the rally starts. Sarah Barracuda starts about 25 minutes into the event:

    c-span.org/Politics/watch_mini.aspx?ID=2122

    Hillary Clinton is making a huge mistake if she agrees to be the Sarah Palin attack dog. Clinton needs to pull an Al Gore and go grow a beard for a few months. She’s done her job.

  514. please please please
    I am begging
    someone tell me that alan colmes did not bring up or make an issue of an infant. please tell me it can’t have gotten that bad.

  515. as i think about this it looks like part of the trap. hill goes out there, team mccain runs those ads reminding her supporters of why hill opposed obama for 18 mos. also having hil go out brings up that question again as to why obama dissed her so by not putting her on the ticket.

  516. okay lost somewhere between exhaustion and rage. Gonna hit the hay. But I cannot let go of what I read about Gov Palin and her newborn. Sickenning. times ten. I hope this story continues and gets more attention tomorrow. Night all.

  517. Patrick Healey is a Hillary Hater. I would take what he says with a grain of salt.

    Tex: that has got to be her position–the help is limited and the role should be as well. What you and Knoster have said about this is spot on. Our concern is for Hillary. She has done the remarkable with blue collar people and she must not allow them to force her to undo it now. If she were selling herself to those audiences I would say have at it go after Palin. But she is not on the ticket and they are asking her to sell the man who dissed those audiences and attack an opponent who they will support. I am quite sure Hillary could win just like she won the debates against Bambi. But it would be a pyrrric (I can never spell that word) if she did. It is the audience reaction I worry about. The answer here is very simple: get that fucking Biden out of the club car off the train on the road sober him up and let him tell Sara how high his IQ is or why he hates his hairplugs or what would Neal Kennock say in this situation that he can quote without attribution casusing his candidacy to once again implode. Then there can be peace on earth and good will to men. As Lincoln said about Grant when someone told him that Grant was a drunk. Find out his brand and i will send him 2 cases, and we will keep them on in the club car where he spends most of his time with that 4 hour commute. Sometimes he is too drunk to get off the train so its a 24 hour ride. He rationalizes this by saying it saves him 192 dollars for the next day and allows him to amortize the 192 dollars for the current day over a 24 hour period. I guess he does understand productivity and cost control and does his best work when he is not sober.

  518. the final quote by sexist axelrod infuriates me beyond belief. this man blammed hillary for bhutto’s death etc.. now they need her. bull. plus those hilary for obama events never go well at all. it reminds folks of what the dnc did-which plays right into mccain’s trap.

    ———–
    “She has been extraordinarily generous and cooperative,” Mr. Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, said of Mrs. Clinton. ***“Gender politics aside, everything that Hillary has fought for is on the ballot. Palin may add some gender diversity to their ticket, but she doesn’t add any philosophical diversity. Hillary is a huge asset for us, and we WANT her out there, though we would have wanted her out there regardless of Palin.” ***

  519. Biden Pales Beside Palin
    09/01/2008

    When Democrat Barack Obama brought Sen. Joe Biden on board, pundits of every stripe referred to it as a move to add gravitas to the ticket. This theory was not disputed, and it appeared Obama was indeed betting on the foreign policy experience of the “great statesman” to lift his campaign above the arguments about Obama’s own inexperience. As the public waited for Biden to give his convention speech in Denver last week, they anticipated being wowed by the knowledge and insight he would bring to the table.

    But it was not to be. Biden gave his speech, and while the public was still digesting it and the spin doctors were still spinning it, Republican John McCain announced Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate and crashed Biden’s party. As a matter of fact, now that McCain has named Palin as his V.P., I can’t even remember what Biden said in his speech. And I bet most other Americans don’t, either.

    Poor Biden: his attempts to land a gig in the White House have never gone smoothly. When he tried to secure the Democrat nomination for president in the 1988 race, he had to drop out because people discovered that he was plagiarizing the speeches of a British Labor Party leader named Neil Kinnock. (Actually, he not only stole Kinnock’s words. Biden hijacked his whole life story).
    continue…..

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28304

  520. henry, it was here, but he took it down. The link works, but the article is removed. You can still read the title in the link, though:

    alan.com/2008/08/30/did-palin-take-proper-pre-natal-care/

  521. Anyone who thinks she is not energizing this campaign is smokin’ Barry Hussein’s crack pipe
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    hwc: great line!

  522. hill4tx
    maybe it is just me but that statement is beyond obscene. it is misogony to the infinite power. And beyond that it is cruel. I have been infuriated over the last 9 mos but this is beyond my ability to express rage. She carried a child within her for nine months and for at least 2 of those months she knew her child would not fit into what our society deems as normal and yet she endured. Gave birth to a little boy that she refers to as perfection. And then for rumors to abound about maternity and now if what alan colmes said was actually said i will make it a personnal crusade for that idiot to be removed. I mentioned earlier that a friend of mine once cried effusively because she wondered if her getting into road rage may have caused her daughters down’s. Irrational. Yes. But she had guilt for what she could never ever have controlled. I still find it impossible that colmes could have actually uttered those words. If he did I will do my best to hold him accountable.

  523. You realize do you not what a coup it was to kill Caligulas convention bounce with the Palin announcement. One hundred million dolllars spent for what? The dead cat bounce? Oh thats right party unity. Wait til those delegates go home and tell everyone how much fun it was to be intimidated by bots, dissed and disenfranchised on the roll call vote in the name of unity.

  524. team mccain is running on reforming govt etc.. soon they will turn to party corruption in both i think. esp the dems. they know well what happened in denver and will use it.

  525. team mccain is running on reforming govt etc.. soon they will turn to party corruption in both i think. esp the dems. they know well what happened in denver and will use it.
    ———————————————
    which is interesting because reforming goverment is different from eliminating goverment as Grover Norquist and all the Cato Institute types would do,

  526. wbboei
    did you hear it?
    if he really said it which i find impossible to believe, i will record and head to the U of pittsburgh medical center with it tomorrow. i am unbelievbly saddenned that an individual in his position coulf utter something so heinous. Lets protest.

  527. henry, he did not say it, he wrote it. On his blog. I read it. I am hoping that someone somewhere got a screen shot before he took it down.

  528. Hill
    that makes me sick. Everyday of Gov Palins life i am sure she questions her own decisions and for that filthy skeletor looking mfer to question that aspect of her person is not excusable. Did I mention that i am really really mad.

  529. Yes. The dead cat bounce is devastating. Michele makes people hate her less. Hillary delivers her supporters. Bill sings Barry’s praises. And then the Messiah himself shines his light on 85,000 people.

    And what do they have to show for it. One lousy stinkin’ point in the CNN poll.

    Who is dominating this election today: Sarah Barracuda. Why? Authenticity.

    I’m tellin’ ya, this woman may be a phoney, but if she is, she deserves to be Vice President just for her incredible image building. I mean, how do you get your own mother to tell a newspaper, “Sarah is more comfortable holding a gun than a mascara wand”. How do you come up with a line like that?

  530. Hey Y’all. I have not been here in a while except to read. I am looking for a Youtube video of HRC at Stephaine Tubbs Jones memorial service. Can someone help me? It is tough to find.

  531. henry, I know. My oldest daughter has (mild) cerebral palsy – still lives at home with me at 26. I can’t count the times I have wondered if it was this or that that I did that caused it. It is a horrible thing to say to a mother of a handicapped child. He is scum.

  532. texan4hillary Says:

    September 1st, 2008 at 3:20 am
    the final quote by sexist axelrod infuriates me beyond belief. this man blammed hillary for bhutto’s death etc.. now they need her. bull. plus those hilary for obama events never go well at all. it reminds folks of what the dnc did-which plays right into mccain’s trap.

    ____________________________________

    I agree with you Hillary4Texas. And when he calls her their asset someone needs she needs to call him on it. The world is watching.

    This is the way he operates. He releases an article to the press concerning her to create an expectation. As Ann apparently said her time is limited. He needs to be guided accordingly.
    .

  533. I don’t think we have to be vigilant at all. I think we need to do what Heidi Li Feldman says: http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

    I very much like her thoughts on an imperial presidency. And, I think we need to not vote for POTUS, but work to affect change across the boards in local elections and in both presidential campaigns.

    Seriously, does any1 have a video of HRC at the memorial service? I really wanna see it after reading the transcript.

  534. Democratic Sen. John Kerry, however, says Palin ‘does not meet the national security threshold.’

    What a laugh

    1 : and Obama does?

    2 : This from a guy who picked an ambulance-chasing, cheating skirt-chasing one-term useless Senator who couldn’t even carry his home state.

    3 : but does she pass the Kerry “global” test.

  535. AGAIN!!!!!

    Kentucky Mkt.

    See my 12:17 post.

    It has a link to STJ funreral video.
    I can’t get links to pass the spam filter here.

  536. kentucky mkt,
    😳
    Here’s the video. the other was an article.
    Video footage and images from STJ funeral.
    .wtam.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=122520&article=4171956

    add
    h t t p and
    w dot w dot w

  537. Good Morning All

    Gustav is hitting Louisiana as we speak at 115MPH. Still cat 3 but better than cat 5. Keep those people in your thoughts and prayers.

  538. Basil, HELP!
    admin said to sign in as usual and the software for this would be easy but whoa, where do I go from here?

  539. Well, I have spent the last 20 minutes reading the overnight blog. Amazing the amount of information that this group brings to the table. I have the following thoughts to add.

    1. 2012 is 4 years away, and very impacted not only by who wins, but what happens during those 4 years.

    2. I believe one of the key factors will be the economy and health care. The economy must improve, and some progress must be made on health care for all.

    ————–
    That said:

    1. we said many times that endorsements mean nothing. I think this can be said of what the impact of HRC going on the campaign trail will mean. Gore likes to blame Bill for his lack of support, but they have conveniently forgotten that Bill was recovering from a heart bypass. He came here at the very end of the campaign, and he was nice to see, but the crowd was one of seeing Bill not convining anyone to vote for Kerry. The same will be true of HRC. ENDORSEMENTS MEAN VERY LITTLE EXCEPT WITH THE HARD CORD DEMS WHO WOULD HAVE FOLDED IN ANYWAY.

    2. The debates will have some impact. Those still undecided will watch those, and those concerned about McCains age will watch the VP debate with interest. How these people perform will not be evaluated by the media, they will be evaluated by the voter.

    3. The American voter likes truth and courage. Especially the voters left to decide. They are beholding to neither camp, and they have already said that they like the Rep VP choice at a 64% approval rate. Will that result in votes, we have yet to determine this.

    There is no room for errors on either side but we know they will make them. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and which mistakes will seal the election.

    Up blog I read that their first crowd after announcing the VP had 23,000. There is no question but that there has been a spark here. How long will it last, I guess time will tell.

  540. I figured out how to solve the national energy crisis.

    Attach Obama and Biden to giant wind turbines and ungag them, they could power the country for the next few years with one speech each.

  541. lil ole grape,

    Before this all gets started, I just wanted to thank you for your efforts, they were herculon.

  542. grape,

    just saw your message and I’m heading out the door in a few minutes.
    Could you describe the issue, please?
    Did you download a program?
    I’m not sure whether admin attached the program to your moniker or sent you something separately in an email.
    i’m no whiz with these matters but it seems to me admin either added you to blog-sharing status in which case you should have a master control menu . . .

    waiting to hear back from you. i have to leave at 10.
    in any case, don’t panic. I’m sure the glitches will get worked out soon. if you want an idea of how blogs work, go to wordpress.com and do a test blog sign-up yourself. i was going to do blog shares on my site but never got that far.

  543. admin, I’m ready to post the tribute but I’m stuck and need help — top of the morning to you. What di I do next?

  544. Brilliant article and quote

    http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc202.htm

    Palin and Experience: Has McCain Set the Biggest Bear Trap of All Time?

    “But anyone who has ever been involved with hiring people knows a resume tells you little other than where the person has occupied space during various periods of his or her life. The meaningful definition of experience is achievement. If you compare Palin’s achievements to Obama’s, it’s not even a contest. Palin wins decisively. ”

    As a state legislator, he often voted “present” so as to avoid subjecting himself to political jeopardy. As a U.S. senator, he has authored no important legislation, and has never even convened a hearing on the one subcommittee he chairs. About the only thing Obama has done since becoming a senator is talk. And run for president.

    If you measure experience in terms of years and titles, there’s not much difference. If you measure it in terms of achievement, Palin eats Obama for lunch. So if Democrats have suddenly decided they want to talk about experience, they should call the Toronto Blue Jays, because they may well be stepping into the biggest bear trap of all time.

  545. grape,

    i see admin has come to your rescue so i leave you in their capable not to mention much more knowledgeable hands.

    You may need step by step instructions if admin is doing a blog-share so maybe you’ll want them to email that info?

    Keep going, girl. i’m PROUD of ya!

    😉 ;

  546. Sarah Palin: “We don’t want bigger government. We want government that does a few big things and it does them right.”………

    afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gy6nCF0GHilK_bF5XncNH6ZeB4HQ

    I love the pic of just her stilleto’s and the crowd

    Read the article

    and a special note about this rally

    Sarah Palin presented herself well, and she spoke quite a while….. longer than McCain.

    The event was larger than I expected….. and it was hot.

    What was unexpected was a huge bus full of Hillary Supporters for McCain came down from Chicago for this event. They were given VIP status and cheered when they arrived.

  547. Smoke and Fire: The Ayers Cover-Up
    By Bud WhitecloseAuthor: Bud WhiteName: Joyan and Bud White White
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site:
    About: See Authors Posts (52) on August 31, 2008 at 6:38 PM in 1st Amendment, Annenberg Chicago Challenge, Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Howard Kurtz, John Kerry, Larry Johnson, Terrorism, Weather Underground
    The Obama Team over-learned the lesson of John Kerry. In the aftermath of 2004, Kerry was widely criticized for not responding to the charges of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
    The Obama campaign’s attempt to silence all critics is having the undesired effect of turning smoke into a conflagration. The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund has picked up on Obama’s tactics:
    Team Obama has launched an offensive against WGN, the Chicago Tribune’s radio station, for interviewing Stanley Kurtz. Mr. Kurtz is a conservative writer who this week forced the University of Illinois to finally open its records on Sen. Obama’s association with William Ayers, the unrepentant 1970s Weather Underground terrorist.
    Stanley Kurtz writes for National Review Online, and although he’s of the Right, his reporting has been factual and his tone measured. Larry Johnson describes him this way:
    Kurtz may be a conservative. His political views may be obnoxious. But his research is conclusive, factual and inarguable. Ayers and Obama have had a long relationship with Ayers playing the mentor and Obama as protege. And Obama has lied and lied and lied.
    Because the media was asleep at the wheel over the last year and failed to vet Obama, it’s the cover-up, lies, and strong-arm tactics which are now causing Obama problems. Instead of releasing all of the documents pertaining to Ayers, it appears the Obama camp attempted to block Kurtz from reviewing the materials. Only after legal actions were threatened did the Richard J Daley Library decided to allow Kurtz in to review Obama’s relationship with unrepentant terrorist Ayers. Kurtz explains the library’s strange behavior:
    Initially, as I said, library officials said that I could examine the [Chicago Annenberg Challenge] records. I received this permission both over the phone and in writing. The subsequent denial of access came with a series of evolving explanations. Is this a politically motivated cover-up? Although at this stage it is impossible to know, it is hard to avoid the suspicion. I also have some concerns for the security of the documents, although I have no specific evidence that their security is endangered.
    Now that the documents are open, the Obama campaign has launched a full-tilt effort to smear his critics. This classic strategy was perfected by Nixon: attack the messenger, obfuscate when questioned, compile an enemies list, use the levers of power to conceal. Hours before Kurtz was to be interviewed on radio, the Obama campaign sought to smear him. Fund writes
    An Obama campaign email to supporters called Mr. Kurtz a “slimy character assassin” whose “divisive, destructive ranting” should be confronted. WGN producer Zack Christenson says the outpouring of negative calls and emails is “unprecedented.” He also notes that it is curious — because “we wanted the Obama campaign’s take” on Mr. Kurtz’s findings, but the campaign declined to put anyone on air.
    Although many of us disagree with Kurtz’s socially conservative views, his biography at the Hudson Institute, where he is a Fellow, says that he has a Ph.D and has taught at Harvard University. In other words, he’s another bookish conservative but he’s not a fraud or “slimly.”
    In regards to the attacks on Kurtz, Larry Johnson writes:
    Why is Obama reacting with such nervousness and such disproportionate anger? Because the truth is so damaging. You can’t hang with an unrepentant terrorist and then want to get elected as commander-in-chief to lead a global war on terror. The average voter won’t swallow that nonsense.
    In the same vein, John Fund says that Obama’s attacks:
    are designed to shut down legitimate questions. “They’re terrified of people poking around Obama’s life,” one reporter told Gabriel Sherman at the New Republic. “The whole Obama narrative is built around the narrative that Obama and [campaign strategist] David Axelrod built, and, like all stories, it’s not entirely true.” The stakes are high. If the full story of Mr. Obama’s relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright had been revealed before the Iowa caucus, he wouldn’t have won.
    The cover-up from Obama, according to sources inside the campaign, has more to do with the way Obama and Ayers spent tens of millions of dollar than Ayers’ past. Johnson writes:
    Their fear about Ayers has little to do with his past as a bomber of U.S. Government facilities and more to do with the mismanagement of more than 100 million dollars that was spent by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC).
    Although Obama is attempting to cover-up his relationship with Ayers, it’s indisputable that Obama was friends and colleagues with Ayers for many years. What does this say about his judgment? And what does it say about his character that he lied about his relationship with Ayers and then he attacks those who seek the truth?

  548. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/us/25jet.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&fta=y&adxnnlx=1220278077-YEY19wiWlyFkdPMGrHsbEw

    Seriously i really like Sarah Palin, i have never bar Hillary heard other politicians speak like this.

    “The purchase of the jet was impractical and unwise and it’s time to get rid of it,” said Governor Palin.

    It grounded one governor and did not exactly fly off the shelf on eBay, but the jet that came to symbolize the troubles of the former Alaska governor Frank H. Murkowski has landed with a new owner.

    A businessman from Valdez, Alaska, Larry Reynolds, paid $2.1 million this week for the state-owned Westwind II jet that Mr. Murkowski’s successor, Gov. Sarah S. Palin, promised to purge from the state inventory when she ran against Mr. Murkowski last fall in the Republican primary.

    Mr. Murkowski’s office tried to obtain money from the Homeland Security Department to buy the jet, saying it would help “defend, deter or defeat opposition forces.” He was denied. Later, in 2005, against the wishes of the Legislature, Mr. Murkowski used state money to buy it for $2.7 million……

    In December, barely a week after being inaugurated, Ms. Palin said the plane would be sold on eBay……

    Ms. Palin said in a statement: “If the Department of Public Safety decides at a future date that it needs another aircraft, we will invest in something more sensible that can land on Alaska’s rural airstrips. Any purchase, if deemed necessary, will go through the normal legislative budget process.”

    Gotta love it.

    Common sense, especially when tossed back into the face of the self-styled ruling class, is like a breath of fresh air.

    America is gonna fall in love with Sarah.

  549. admin, thanks!
    NMF, Basil, thanks for your appreciation, but do I have to go first? Who’s idea was this in the beginning? That’s who should go first…or else you all just GO for it, y’know?

  550. Don’t see it up yet. Have you pushed the button yet.

    I guess if you don’t want the honor, you know that we appreicate you, and we will just let the first post happen.

    I know I could not do what you have done.

    ((THANK YOU))

  551. I figured out how to solve the national energy crisis.

    Attach Obama and Biden to giant wind turbines and ungag them, they could power the country for the next few years with one speech each.
    —————————————————————–
    Yup. And if we have a cold winter and the cost of heating oil goes up to a prohibitive level, we could hook biden up to a bunson burner, have him forcefully exhale, and when the corn liquor fumes ignited you could heat the entire windy city for the winter. Always a good idea to have an alternate energy supply/

  552. But you know something there is drunk and there is mean angry drunk. With my own eyes in two different airports I have seen the senior senator from Massachusetts in the ;atter condition. His face was beat red and he was loud and abusive. I thought of that when a friend of mine told me he could introduce me to Teddy. I told him I had met him before and had no desire to repeat the experience.

  553. Hillary Voters respond to the Palin pick, actual emails coming in. interesting.

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjBmYzBkMGFjMzllZmY2MTA5ZmI3MmQwNzJiM2IwNmM=

  554. Lets face it when Teddy dies, they won’t need a crematorium just flick a match, the man’s body is probably 99% proof vodka by now.

  555. For Hillary supporters the sexist attacks on Governor Sarah Palin are attacks reminiscent of the sexist attacks by Obama and Big Media on Senator Hillary Clinton.

    The PINO Big Blogs and Big Media and Big Democrats and the unDemocratic Party say that Governor Sarah Palin will not get Hillary supporters’ votes – as if they have any clue about Hillary supporters. Hillary supporters will speak for themselves individually. Some Hillary supporters will vote for Governor Sarah Palin because it is a vote for Hillary Clinton by proxy. A vote for Governor Sarah Palin, many think, will fight misogyny, and defeat the unDemocratic Party of Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. Many Hillary supporters will put aside policy/issues differences with McCain/Palin in order to defeat the untrustworthy and unqualified Obama and as a refusal to reward electorally the unDemocratic Party
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    brilliant Admin

  556. Sent the .doc file to admin via email. He/she/they will take it from there. How can admin be one person? — always here! What about eating , sleeping etc?