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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

Rigor Mortis

When something beautiful dies it is up to loved ones to preserve the memory and the glories of living days. Usually photographs are displayed and old memories of better days are relived. Glory days are recounted and the dead briefly return to the quick.

Yesterday, the Democratic Party of the FDR coalition committed suicide.

True Democrats will remember and regret the suicide of the Democratic Party. Hillary supporters must not only cherish the memory of the FDR coalition Democratic Party but fight to breathe life anew and restore that coalition for justice.

For Hillary supporters at Big Pink, and everywhere else, the duty is to remember and fight. Like patriots in occupied France, patriots in the 13 colonies when Royalists commanded at the point of gun American cities, real Democrats will not only preserve the memory of the great Democratic Party of FDR, but gather in resistance. We will organize and fight to galvanize the Democratic Party from death and to great purpose.

For us no Greek temples. Hillary supporters have many more fights left to fight. Hillary supporters at Big Pink and elsewhere also have much to be proud of.

If not for Hillary supporters the voters of Michigan and Florida would not have been counted nor heard.

If not for Hillary supporters the voters of every state after Iowa would not have voted. If not for Hillary supporters the voters of Pennsylvania and Indiana and North Carolina and Nebraska and West Virginia and Kentucky and Oregon and Montana and South Dakota, in particular would not have voted.

It was Hillary and Hillary supporters, true Democrats, who fought for the right to vote and to have the vote counted as the votes were cast.

Big Pink will not allow the voter disenfranchisements of 2008 to be forgotten. Like Banquo’s ghost we will not go away. Like King Hamlet’s ghost we will shout “Remember”. We will not allow the glories of the Democratic Party of FDR to be forgotten nor buried. We will fight to restore the party of FDR to life and glory.

Here at Big Pink we continue the fight against the sexism and misogyny of Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. Here at Big Pink we continue to remind every day, by our very existence, by our very name, the travesties and treacheries committed by Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi and Big Media.

The corpse that labels itself as the Obama Democratic Party must be defeated in NOvember. The Obama Democratic Party must not be rewarded for sexisim, misogyny, and voter disenfranchisemen with electoral successt. The Obama Democratic Party must be punished with devastating, wakeful, DEFEAT.

We will not go away into the good night. We fight on.

We live to continue the struggles for justice but the Democratic Party is dead.

For Hillary supporters, for those of us here at Big Pink issues do matter and are worth fighting for. For us Obama must be defeated in NOvember. We have written before and we repeat today our reasoning to oppose Obama in NOvember: Better to fight McCain and the Republicans with Democratic majorities forced to fight than to bow to Obama’s betrayals of core Democratic principles and appeasements to Republicans. Obama cannot be trusted by neither friend nor foe. We want Democratic elected officials to fight for core Democratic principles. Obama would betray Democratic principles, appease the worse of Republican demands and anyone who opposed Obama as in the past would be called a “racist”. We say NObama, NOvember.

The Democratic Party is dead. Rigor Mortis is setting in.

* * *

Already the Obama campaign is in full treachery and full retreat. Remember that 50 state strategy that became the 48 state strategy when they disenfranchised Florida and Michigan that became the 46 state strategy when they snubbed Kentucky and West Virginia? It’s now down to an 18 state strategy.

We tried to get Plouffe to react to a spate of national polls showing a tightening race.

All we care about is these 18 states,” he said. He repeated, with emphasis, that the campaign does not care about national polling. Instead, the campaign’s own identification, registration and canvassing efforts provide the data he uses to determine where to invest money and resources.

* * *

Americans know Obama is not qualified to be president.

Obama is selling but white working class voters are not buying:

DENVER — Barack Obama hasn’t won over working-class swing voters because he hasn’t moved beyond his soaring rhetoric to provide sufficient detail on economic proposals, Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen said Wednesday.

Obama’s Democratic presidential campaign has put too much emphasis on his abstract message of hope and change, and not enough on explaining how his specific policies would help voters struggling to make ends meet, Bredesen, a Democrat, told Politico. [snip]

Bredesen’s remarks to Politico were similar to those expressed by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) in a news conference during the Democratic National Convention, according to the New York Post.

“There has been some criticism of Barack Obama that I think has been deserved,” Weiner said. “Sometimes he does not make specific enough his vision.”

American voters do not want or need a messiah in this land of the common man:

There is little about him that feels spontaneous or unpolished, and even after two books, thousands of campaign events and countless hours on television, many Americans say they do not feel they know him. The charges of elusiveness puzzle those closest to the candidate. Far more than most politicians, they say, he is the same in public as he is in private. [snip]

…first Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and now Senator John McCain, that he has not spent enough time earning and learning, that his main project in life has been his own ascent. [snip]

The McCain campaign has seized on this pattern, mocking their opponent as a self-consumed star, even suggesting that he has a messianic complex.

Obama has heard the charges before. Long before the presidential race, some around him seemed to resent his ability to galvanize a following. “Bluebooking is not important for celebrities,” fellow students joked about him in the law review parody, referring to the tedious process of checking citations.

As for the messiah charge, Michael Madigan, the speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives and a Democrat, once publicly called Obama the same thing.

Obama is selling, but Americans are not buying an unqualified Chicago flip-flop-flim-flam man:

The anxiety comes in several forms, but particularly common is the pained look, followed by the quick glance away and the lengthy pause, in the face of a simple question: How is Barack Obama doing?

“Ahhh . . .,” said Barry Bogarde, political director for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees in Pennsylvania, a battleground state that the senator from Illinois needs to win. “Better,” he finally said. “He’s doing better.”

Asked how things are going for Democrats in New Hampshire, another swing state that the party carried in 2004, the state party chairman, Ray Buckley, did not even mention Obama’s race against Sen. John McCain. He talked instead about efforts to win a Senate race and hold two congressional seats.

Jim Beasley, the commissioner of Ohio’s Department of Transportation, did not have high hopes for Obama in his area of southern Ohio. “Ahhh, well. Rural Ohio will be difficult,” he said. “Rural areas are difficult for him.”

As the Democrats kicked off a convention designed to unite support behind Obama, interviews with several dozen delegates pointed to an undercurrent of anxiety among many from key swing states who will be charged with leading the push in their communities. They expressed doubts bordering on bewilderment: Why, in a year that had been shaping up as a watershed for Democrats, amid an economic downturn and an unpopular Republican presidency, is the race so tight?

Sexism and misogyny will not be forgotten:

Some have also shown signs of still being focused on the Democratic primaries and not being fully invested in the general-election effort. On Sunday night, Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland echoed recent comments by Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell that media coverage during the primaries had been biased in Obama’s favor. And several top Clinton advisers will not be staying in Denver to see Obama accept the nomination, according to sources familiar with their schedules.

A CNN-Opinion Research Corp. poll of registered voters released Sunday found that roughly two-thirds of self-identified Clinton supporters are now backing Obama, while 27 percent said they will vote for McCain. Other polls have shown Obama receiving less support from Clinton backers.

The hidden “I told you so.”

Bogarde’s superior, AFSCME President Gerald W. McEntee, was more blunt. “It shouldn’t be as close as it is now. It just seems to me it shouldn’t be that close. It should be a no-brainer,” he said.

The union spent heavily on Clinton’s campaign before lining up behind Obama, but McEntee insisted that his concern about the closeness of the race is not meant as an “I told you so.”

* * *

Sean Wilentz brings historical perspective to the Obama flim-flam and the great party of FDR:

Obama’s most ardent admirers, who include much of the political press and practically all of the liberal intelligentsia, will almost certainly report and analyze the event as a mammoth historical occasion, and quite possibly praise the speech as one of the greatest political orations ever. [snip]

Since the end of World War II, every Democrat who has sought the presidency has attempted to update the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal. From Harry Truman to Bill Clinton, those elected president have refreshed the liberal tradition by promising to put their own stamp upon it, and then doing so. After 40 years of mostly Republican control of the White House, it should be clear that mistakes and overreaching have hampered liberalism’s evolution. But by renewing the idea that government has an important role to play in expanding the opportunities and well-being of ordinary Americans, the basic Democratic tradition has survived through thick and thin.

Senator Obama’s efforts to reinterpret the Democratic legacy have thus far amounted chiefly to promising a dramatic break with the status quo. His rhetoric of “hope” and “change” has thrilled millions of Democrats and helped secure the party’s nomination. Yet millions of other Democrats still find his appeals wispy and unconvincing, and the persistent coolness within the ranks worries some party veterans. Democratic governors have already urged him to be more explicit about how he intends to adjust the party’s principles to meet today’s challenges.

Sean Wilentz retraces the rivers of history flowing from FDR’s New Deal and Truman’s Fair Deal liberalism. Kennedy’s New Frontier which “explicity invoked the New Deal and Fair Deal as ‘bold measures for their generations,’ but also laid out the basic framework for his own New Frontier as a set of specific challenges, international and domestic”, Johnson’s triumphs and fiascoes are noted.

Wilentz notes that Kennedy and Johnson by their embrace of civil rights “fundamentally changed the Democratic Party by causing the political implosion of the formerly solid Democratic South, while making the Democrats the new political legatees of Abraham Lincoln.” and “LBJ’s Great Society represented the full flowering of New-Deal-style liberalism before it was stalled by the financial and political costs of Vietnam and urban racial unrest.”

Then came one-term Jimmy Carter with “his different brand of politics”. Wilentz warns that Democrats ignore Carter’s brand of politics

“and its fate, at their peril. Carter ran against “Washington” on the slogan “A Leader, for a Change,” and on his brains and personal authenticity: “Why Not the Best?” After he only narrowly defeated Gerald Ford, he came to office with the advantage of enormous Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate (where he had a filibuster-proof 62 Democratic seats). In the wake of the Vietnam debacle and the Watergate scandal, Carter—an outsider and a decidedly non-imperial anti-politician—stressed the virtues of truthfulness, efficiency and technical expertise above either partisanship or new federal programs. In foreign policy, recoiling from Vietnam, he focused on the use of diplomacy to advance the ideal of human rights around the globe.

Yet little seemed to go right for the earnest president. The economy, hit by repeated oil shortages and hikes in oil prices, remained trapped in a combination of high unemployment and runaway inflation. Impatient with and at times heedless of the political prerogatives jealously guarded on Capitol Hill, Carter quickly found his relations with his own congressional majority deteriorating.

Although he won notable victories in foreign affairs, including the Panama Canal Treaty and the Camp David accords, Carter’s “soft power” approach was overwhelmed by the capture of American hostages in Iran and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In an extraordinary speech in mid-1979, Carter blamed the troubles on a “crisis of confidence” of the American people themselves. His gloomy diagnosis of the nation’s malaise set the stage for the entrance of the beaming conservative champion, Ronald Reagan.

Bill Clinton was the first president to take office after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and he began his presidency committed chiefly to reducing the federal deficit and the economic inequities created during the administrations of Reagan and George H.W. Bush with a Democratic liberalism updated for the 1990s. By the end of his second term, he could boast that he had helped turn crippling deficits into the largest federal surpluses in American history. He also could point to a prolonged economic boom that benefited Americans across the lines of class, race, region and ethnicity. Following calamities in Bosnia, Somalia and Haiti, and after the Western nations’ catastrophic inaction in Rwanda, Clinton had shifted course and both revived and revised America’s forceful sense of purpose in world affairs, from the Balkans to Northern Ireland.

Wilentz notes the glories and the problems of the Clinton presidency:

Clinton suffered through major domestic blunders as well, above all the political debacle concerning his ambitious health-care proposals. Some of Clinton’s initiatives—signing the North American Free Trade Agreement, a welfare-reform bill and balancing the budget—infuriated the left of his own party. Meanwhile, right-wing Republican efforts to demolish him bore bitter fruit with his impeachment. Yet amid the peace and prosperity of his final year, with his public popularity soaring, Clinton appeared to have created successfully a new, post-New Deal liberalism that was moving the country beyond Reaganite conservatism—reversing regressive fiscal policies that had virtually bankrupted the federal government; spreading economic growth more broadly; finding a new balance of American force and diplomacy in foreign affairs, and countering racial polarization and right-wing antigovernment fervor with appointments, policies and speeches that promoted what Clinton called the ideal of “One America.”

Clinton ended the endless Republican “welfare queen” campaigns with welfare reform and Clinton prosperity helped all Americans especially the poor. Clinton fought Republican power at its height and broke the right-wing fever that threatened a long term realignment of American politics.

Then disaster came from the eggheads of the left and Tipper Gore’s personal desires to avoid the Clintons:

But the election of 2000 stopped the Clintonian experiment short, for reasons ranging from the destructive left-wing campaign of Ralph Nader, to Al Gore’s strategic error of distancing himself from a successful record, to the dubious, one-vote majority decision in Bush v. Gore. George W. Bush’s administration, despite its thin mandate, moved federal policy sharply right—a heavily politicized shift that accelerated under the cover of Bush’s War on Terror following the atrocities of September 11, 2001.

After the 2008 voter disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan by the Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi Democratic Party, those Democrats can no longer complain about Bush v. Gore. Wilentz notes the long list of Bush failures. Wilentz notes the Obama treachery and that Obama=Carteresque failure:

Against this backdrop, how has the presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, proposed to revivify Democratic liberalism? There is a quotation that ought to give Democrats, and not just Democrats, pause: “This year will not be a year of politics as usual. It can be a year of inspiration and hope, and it will be a year of concern, of quiet and sober reassessment of our nation’s character and purpose. It has already been a year when voters have confounded the experts. And I guarantee you that it will be the year when we give the government of this country back to the people of this country. There is a new mood in America. We have been shaken by a tragic war abroad and by scandals and broken promises at home. Our people are searching for new voices and new ideas and new leaders.”

Delivered in Obama’s exhortatory cadences, the words are uplifting. The trouble is, though they seem to fit, the passage is from Carter’s acceptance speech at the Democratic convention in 1976.

The convergence is revealing. As Republican strategists have begun to notice with delight, Obama’s liberal alternative to the post-Bush GOP to date has much in common with Carter’s post-Watergate liberalism. Rejecting “politics as usual,” attacking “Washington” as the problem, promising to heal the breaches and hurts caused by partisan political polarization, pledging to break the grip that lobbyists and special interests hold over the national government, wearing his Christian faith on his sleeve as a key to his mind, heart and soul—in all of these ways, Obama resembles Jimmy Carter more than he does any other Democratic president in living memory.

In other ways, Obama’s liberal vision appears clouded, uncertain and even contradictory. During his four years in Washington, he has compiled one of the most predictably liberal voting records in the Senate—yet he presents himself as an advocate of bipartisanship and ideological flexibility. He has offered himself as the tribune of sweeping change—yet he also proclaims national unity, as if transformation can come without struggle. He has emerged as the champion of a new, post-racial politics, even though he has only grudgingly separated himself from his pastor of 20 years, who every week preached a gospel of “black liberation theology” that has everything to do with racial politics.

Race is Obama’s wedge issue and race-baiting his tool to steal success:

The most obvious change to liberal politics Obama has to offer is the color of his skin. Some of his supporters have, whether wittingly or not, been candid enough to say, as Sen. John Kerry did last March, that Obama’s blackness is the rationale for making him president. But it is difficult to square such claims with Obama’s appeal to a liberalism that transcends race. And when Obama himself subtly and not so subtly draws attention to his color, and charges that the John McCain Republicans will try to scare voters by saying he “doesn’t look like all those presidents on the dollar bills,” he turns voting for him into an intrinsically virtuous act, proof that one has resisted base appeals to racism (which, in fact, the McCain campaign has not made).

Much of Obama’s appeal to the left stems from what might be called the romance of the community organizer. Although his organizing career on Chicago’s South Side was brief and, by his own admission, unremarkable, it distinguishes him as another first of his kind in presidential politics, a candidate who looks at politics from the bottom up. For the left, community organizing trumps party politics and experience in government. Some even imagine that Obama is a secret radical, and they see his emergence as an unparalleled opportunity for advancing their frustrated agendas about issues ranging from the redistribution of wealth to curtailing U.S. power abroad.

Wilentz has written a powerful analysis of the Obama flim-flam and the dangers Obama represents – to Democrats and Democratic core values.

No Experience and Judgement:

Obama still has a long way to go to describe the kind of liberalism he stands for, how it meets the enormous challenges of the present—and how it will meet as-yet-unanticipated challenges after the election. Nowhere is this more crucial than in the harsh and volatile realm of foreign policy. Last winter, when his candidacy gained traction, Obama’s foreign-policy credentials consisted almost entirely of a speech he gave before a left-wing rally in Chicago in 2002, denouncing the impending invasion of Iraq as “a dumb war.” That speech, made by a state senator representing a liberal district that included the University of Chicago, and that went unreported in the Chicago Tribune’s lengthy article on the rally, was enough to convince many of his supporters that he is blessed with superior acumen and good instincts about foreign affairs. Later comments, such as his promise, later softened, to meet directly and “without preconditions” with the leaders of Iran and other supporters of terrorism, pleased left-wing Democrats and young antiwar voters as a sign of boldness—even as they left experienced diplomats in wonder at such half-baked formulations.

Then, suddenly this summer, Russia attacked Georgia—and Obama’s immediate reaction was to call for reasonableness and good intentions and urge both sides to show restraint and enter into direct talks. Unfortunately his appeal sounded almost like a caricature of liberal wishful thinking. It was left to his opponent, John McCain—whose own past judgments on foreign policy demand scrutiny—to declare right away the sort of thing that might have come naturally to previous generations of liberal Democrats (let alone to a conservative Republican): that “Russia should immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations and withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgian territory.” Beyond the matter of experience, beyond how thoroughly the two candidates had thought through the situation, the difference highlighted how Obama still lacks a comprehensive vision of international politics.

Wilentz echoes Big Pink arguments:

That Obama’s record and statements have created any other impression cannot be ascribed only to his campaign’s political skills and the news media’s favor. Liberal intellectuals have largely abdicated their responsibility to provide unblinking and rigorous analysis instead of paeans to Obama’s image. Hardly any prominent liberal thinkers stepped forward to question Obama’s rationalizations about his relationship with his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. Instead, they hailed his ever-changing self-justifications and sometimes tawdry logic—equating his own white grandmother’s discomfort in the presence of a menacing stranger with Wright’s hateful sermons—as worthy of the monumental addresses of Lincoln. Liberal intellectuals actually could have aided their candidate, while also doing their professional duty, by pressing him on his patently evasive accounts about various matters, such as his connections with the convicted wheeler-dealer Tony Rezko, or his more-than-informal ties to the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, including their years of association overseeing an expensive, high-profile, but fruitless public-school reform effort in Chicago. Instead, the intellectuals have failed Obama as well as their readers by branding such questioning as irrelevant, malicious or heretical.

Obama is a loser. We must revive the Democratic Party as the Party of FDR and Clinton.

Can Obama, who lost the large industrial states in the primaries, deal with a troubled economy and become the standard bearer for the working and middle classes—the historic core of the Democratic Party that the last two Democratic candidates lost? Can the inexperienced candidate persuasively outline a new foreign policy that addresses the quagmires left by the Bush administration and faces the challenges of terrorism and a resurgent Russia? Can the less-than-one-term senator become the master of the Congress and enact goals such as universal health care that have eluded Democratic presidents since Truman? On these fundamental questions may hang the fate of Obama’s candidacy. In the absence of a compelling record, set speeches, even with the most stirring words, will not resolve these matters. And until he resolves them, Obama will remain the most unformed candidate in the modern history of presidential politics.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal coalition is alive and well. FDR’s coalition is the only coalition for Democratic victory. Hillary Clinton as an advocate of the FDR coalition is alive and well. Bill Clinton is alive and well. Hillary Clinton supporters are alive and well.

It is the Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi Democratic Party that is dead. Already Rigor Mortis has set in. We will bury the corpse of the Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi Democratic Party in NOvember.

789 comments to Rigor Mortis

  • mj

    If Freckles is here, can you please tell us what 6 point bounce you are talking about?

  • mj

    It’s the Gallup daily.

  • carbynew

    Obama is WEAK!

  • neetabug

    Admin, McCain launched a new ad for tv called Tiny. Can you pleased embed this

    youtube.com/watch?v=QhH2q6h7_Ow

  • djia

    BREAKING! BREAKING!

    coming SOON to a McCain Ad near you!

    Bobby Allen……Brittney Spear’s Set Designer!

    Why?

    well according to Rush Limbaugh today he was the set designer for O’Zues’s Temple being build on Invesco Field!!!!! LMAO!!!

    and has said McCain has it in a new ad yet to be released….. I am sure they are savoring it for after tonight 😀

    GO McCain!!!!!!

    oh and….. also in the news the O’Zues Camp is worried about camera angles now it seems they dont want O’Zues to APPEAR too large in front of his temple or the temple to appear too large behind him either…… In other words…..They have to find the baby bears porage that is “JUST RIGHT” LMAO!!!!!

  • moononpluto

    On an up note from Gallup:

    August 28, 2008

    “Obama Still Lags McCain as Leader, Commander in Chief”

    John McCain has an edge over Barack Obama in the public’s eyes as a strong and decisive leader, and while 80% of Americans say McCain is able to handle the job of commander in chief, only 53% say this about Obama.

  • Berkeley Vox

    From Gallup:

    PRINCETON, NJ — Democratic candidate Barack Obama has gained ground in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking average from Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and now leads Republican John McCain among registered voters by a 48% to 42% margin.

    —-
    Okay, this is more like it. He went into the convention with a 2 point lead in this poll, and now it’s up to 6, and he’ll probably pick up a few more points with tonight’s speech, and then McCain will probably take it all back next week. Which means that going into the home stretch, everything will be all tied up.

    However, Rasmussen’s daily poll, updated 3 hours ago, shows a dead heat, 47-47.

  • NewMexicoFan

    Admin, I don’t where you come up with this stuff, but it is good.

    neetabug, that add is very powerful.

  • djia

    Admin

    can you tell me why for the last 2 days my post don’t post right away?? this has never happened to me before……is the site traffic that high?

    is anyone else having this problem all of sudden too?

  • moononpluto

    I knew Gallup would bounce Bambi because they were the ones in the tank doing it through the entire primary, they constantly had bambi 6 to 8 points ahead when he wasnt, they are so not reliable.

  • rgb44hrc

    From previous thread:

    # birdgal Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I am voting against my democratic congressman in the Nov. election. He supported this farce and corruption. I own my vote.
    &&&&&&&

    That so many “committed” delegates did NOT vote the way their constituents voted is an affront to each districts’ voters. I believe in other previous close nominations, Mr. Second Place got his recognition (Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, etc.). Can someone corroborate this?

    The “final score” of committed delegates should have been under 100 delegate spread, because once Florida and Michigan were magically restored, the 123-ish difference would have shrunk. Then the SDs would have weighed in in a second round, because the first round would have shown it “too close”.

    But Obama and Cabal are not confident enough that the SDs would stick with him, especially with the Obama Brand looking worse and worse each day.

    The lack of transparency (the secret voting from hotel rooms??, backroom wheeling and dealing) is just like the Bad Old Days. O-man is proving himself to be just another typical slime ball politician. The Dem leadership long ago threw away any reason why we should trust them.

    They will be punished. Party unity cannot be forced. Yelling at voters to “get in line” won’t work. NObama in NOvember. Heads roll:

    * Dean: Done
    * Brazile: Banished
    * Pelosi: Punished
    * Clyburn: Canned

  • carbynew

    Obama nominated with strong support from Missouri
    Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:28 AM
    By Brent Martin

    Democrats in Denver made history last night, naming the first African-American to head a major political party presidential ticket. A roll call at the Democratic National Convention ended when rival Hillary Clinton asked to suspend the vote and declare Obama the nominee by acclamation. Missouri voted 82-to-6 for Obama prior to Clinton’s request.

    Missouri had been nearly evenly split between the two. Obama narrowly won the presidential primary in February and had to settle with a 36-36 split of delegates. The remaining 16 Super Delegates leaned toward Obama. Clinton delegates heeded the call for unity made by party officials and confirmed by Clinton herself in an address to the convention. Missouri delegates held a meeting Wednesday morning after the delegation breakfast to discuss what to do. Many members called for a sign of unity and urged colleagues to cast their vote for Obama. Clinton met with her delegates at the convention center in the early afternoon and officially released them.

    The Obama campaign whip in Missouri, Brian Wahby of St. Louis, says the state vote sent a strong message that Missouri Democrats are unified behind Obama’s campaign.

    And Wahby believes those Clinton supporters who have switched to Obama are ready to fully support his candidacy by working for his campaign upon their return from the convention.

    In Obama’s camp from the beginning is first-time convention delegate Robin LaBrunerie of Columbia, who so anticipated the vote for Obama, everything seemed to have more meaning, including the daily Pledge of Allegiance at the breakfast Wednesday. LaBrunerie is a true believer. She says Obama has the ability to bring diverse people together, something she sees as sorely needed in today’s politics.

    Tonight, Obama takes the stage, across the way in the Broncos stadium rather than the Nuggets arena, to accept his party’s nomination. He will make his case for the presidency just prior to the Republican National Convention in the Twin Cities next week.

    http://www.missourinet.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=0803A84A-C412-ECA1-F61B31F39F070AF0
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    Delegates are not the voters…Obama won the primary battle but can he win the war?

    The G.E. is about the voters, not the delegates.

  • admin

    NewMexicoFan, the Wilentz article is powerful and basically summarizes everything we have been writing about since April 2007. We have noted that the many articles Wilentz has written track beautifully with what we have been writing which makes us happy because it indicates a coherent world view on our part which Wilentz shares.

    The Wilentz piece is a must read piece that hopefully will not be lost in the day to day tracking of events we do here.

  • JanH

    Thank you Admin!

    “Yesterday, the Democratic Party of the FDR coalition committed suicide.” Yes indeed, and I for one will not be attending the funeral.

    As far as the “bounce” goes. It’s nothing to be ecstatic about. The bounce throughout this fairy tale convention hasn’t been anywhere as high as it should be.

    Anyone know whether there has been an exodus of any kind by delegates prior to the puppet king’s throne speech tonight.

  • admin

    Berkeley Vox, it will be interesting to see if Rasmussen agrees with the modest Gallup bump.

    The McCain campaign is prepared to stomp any real or meaningful bump:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12934.html

    Tonight, John McCain will talk directly to his opponent in a television ad his campaign is airing in battleground states, around the time Barack Obama accepts the presidential nomination, McCain’s campaign said.

    Aides would give few details beyond the fact that McCain will speak directly to the camera, addressing Obama.

    The strip-tease on the ad is one of several moves by the McCain campaign that could distract attention from Obama’s big night.

    The campaign was fueling speculation about his running mate, who is to be named at a McCain rally in Ohio tomorrow. A top campaign official says McCain has settled on his vice presidential choice and will notify the person today.

    Matt Drudge of The Drudge Report, who has high-level McCain contacts, posted a tease this morning saying: “SOURCE: NAME MAY LEAK AT 6 PM ET… WITH SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION AT 8 PM.”

    Obama is scheduled to speak between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m. Eastern before a crowd of about 75,000 at a Denver stadium where the final session of the Democratic National Convention is being staged.

    The leak of the McCain ticket mate would cause a news frenzy at at time when the Obama campaign wanted viewers to be focused on Obama’s economic and change messages.

    McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker said in an MSNBC appearance that the battleground spot is “an historic ad — I think this is the first of its kind.”

    “Sen. McCain is going to have an ad that’s going to air in battleground states around the time that Sen. Obama is speaking tonight,” Hazelbaker said. “He’s going to be talking directly to his opponent. So, I’m going to leave it there. But it’s going be very exciting. I think that a lot of people are going to focus on it.”

    Asked about his veep choice by KDKA radio in Pittsburgh this morning, McCain said coyly: “I haven’t decided yet, so I can’t tell you.”

    Friends say he has told his inner circle of his pick, but won’t call the decision official until he has discussed it with his wife, Cindy, who has been in the country of Georgia.

    Possibilities include Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.

    AP’s Liz Sidoti reported: “Inside GOP circles Thursday, speculation swirled around Lieberman. It was fueled by reports that McCain’s advisers had asked for additional detailed information from him, by McCain’s close friendship with the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee, and by word that Republican operatives had been told to prepare for the possibility of an ‘unconventional’ choice.”

  • pm317

    When something beautiful dies it is up to loved ones to preserve the memory and the glories of living days. Usually photographs are displayed and old memories of better days are relived. Glory days are recounted and the dead briefly return to the quick.

    Wow! Regardless of the current circumstance, these are beautiful words for anyone who has lost a loved one. When I lost my mom in 2002, my dear friend paraphrased a similar thought from Dr. Zhivago as “you keep them immortalized by talking about them, doing things in their name…”

  • moononpluto

    The “set” just looks like some over the top kind of spectacular gay bath house in Las Vegas. Maybe the Dems were able to borrow some well oiled body builders from Madonna’s road show for the speech and then Obama to meet with personally afterwards.

  • Southern Born

    Brian Wahby of St Louis, you are just plain WRONG. Missouri Democrats are NOT unified behind BO. Many are so disgusted they are voting Republican down ticket even against some Dems they really like like Democrat Jay Nixon for Gov. McCaskill, Russ Caranhan, etc. think they own the Dems votes. They may be in for a BIG surprise in rural Missouri. St Louis and Kansas City with the population they have are Obama, but in “out state” Missouri…look out. Those stuborn “show me” voters may not be so easily swayed by hoopla and bs.

  • admin

    BTW, we did not note in our article today another victory for Hillary supporters – against Big Media, posted in the comments last night. It has been pressure from Hillary and Hillary supporters that is causing havoc at the loathesome NBC/MSNBC:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12900.html

  • carbynew

    Missouri voted 82-to-6 for Obama.

    Arkansas voted 47-to-0 for Obama and the state party spokeswoman later said that Gwatney had been cut off before her speech was finished and that the state intended to cast 37 votes for Obama and eight for Hillary.

    I know I heard Arkansas roll count and they said 47 votes to Obama..ZERO to Clinton, that was not a mistake voice shout out.

    Even the news reporters where starting to notice the HUGE Delegate counts for Obama in STATES Hillary had won.
    *****************************************************
    Question is do anybody believe that Arkansas and Missouri voters are happy with that roll call vote?

  • moononpluto

    I’m sure the people of Arkansas are probably spitting tacks and furious. I would be.

  • Southern Born

    You bet, Moon…tacks,nails, you name it.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I had earlier contemplated marching down and changing my registration to Indy. But now I have decided not to. I want the world to know that yet another registered DEMOCRAT voted for McCain rather than the empty suit come November 5th.

    I am an FDR Democrat til the day I die. But I won’t vote for a Democrat until my party nominates a real one.

    The base of the FDR coalition needs to stand up and SAY NO DEAL these “New Dems” for their attempted coup. And the only thing they will understand is a total, complete, crushing, humiliating loss to the Republicans.

  • Southern Born

    Carby, I agree with you. I “thought” I heard 47 votes for Obama by the Arkansas spokesperson also.

  • mj

    I’m surprised by the gallop bounce. Just two days ago McCain lead in that poll by 1 point. Five point loss in a couple of days surprises me.

  • Southern Born

    As my mother said about the Arkansas delegate vote yesterday, “Why bother to vote anymore? I got dressed, got to the polls to vote at a big risk of falling and breaking a hip, for what reason? We overwhelmingly voted for Hillary and the proud voters of Arkansas had their votes stomped on yesterday.”

    If my 88 year old mother is enraged, you can imagine how other Arkansasans feel. I know. I’ve talked with a bunch of them…family and friends. They are not happy!

  • JanH

    I’ve had some time to think about what went down yesterday with Hillary and Bill.

    H4T, your comments about a crushing and humiliating loss for that monster is what I want as well.

    Sigh…I just want it yesterday because I am so sick of this circus of fools.

  • moononpluto

    MJ Gallup were notorious during the primaries, any time Bambi needed a bounce they got one from Gallup, there were a dreadful pollster during primaries.

    In the tank.

  • carbynew

    “Inside GOP circles Thursday, speculation swirled around Lieberman. I hope it is not Liberman because Liberman will not help him.

    He couldn’t help Gore.

    McCain has to do the unexpected and surprise us. He need to show Bold Leadership, in my opinion.

    McCain/Liberman = Obama/Biden.

    McCain be Bold and Smart.

  • HillaryforTexas

    mj, a 10 to 15 point bump from a convention is the norm. Obama has gotten 4 points in the Gallup so far, nothing in the rest.

  • alcina

    again, NH casts its 30 delegate vote unanimously for B-Ho. i will never forget this. they can go to hell.

  • moononpluto

    You could tell, they deliberately pressured the states that Hillary won massively to hand over its delegation votes to him by a mile.

  • mj

    Lieberman actually hurts in FL so I don’t get why McCain is considering him.

  • alcina

    please not lieberman. ridge, palin or romney.

  • moononpluto

    Clinton Donors Are Contributing to McCain

    They aint buying in

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5676191&page=1

    Dozens of Prominent Fundraisers Have Donated over $200,000 in Last Few Months

    Some of Hillary Clinton’s most fervent supporters are taking their enthusiasm – and their campaign contributions – to John McCain.

    More than a dozen of Hillary Clinton’s fundraisers have contributed to John McCain’s campaign in the last few months.

    More than 85 of Clinton’s fundraisers, including Donald Trump, Univision chief executive Joseph Uva, cable mogul Charles Dolan, philanthropist Norma Hess and one of Florida’s biggest lobbyists appear to be skipping Barack Obama when it comes to writing checks for the general election, according to an ABCNews.com review of campaign finance records.

    These Clinton donors have contributed at least $200,000 to McCain’s campaign in the last few months, an amount which doesn’t include larger contributions to the Republican joint fundraising

    While the ratio may favor Obama, there are indications that while most of Clinton’s financial backers aren’t giving money to the enemy, they are sitting on their wallets. Obama has yet to receive contributions from some prominent HillRaisers, including Steve Bing and Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein. Only 70 of Clinton’s more than 300 HillRaisers have contributed to Obama, according to a New York Times analysis.

  • HillaryforTexas

    FOX was reporting yesterday that both Lieberman and Mittens were definitely out.

  • moononpluto

    The republican leadership will never take Lieberman for VP, what if he jumped ship again, too risky.

  • HillaryforTexas

    moononpluto, many small donors too are donating online and putting “Nancy Pelosi” or PUMA in the who referred you box.

  • confloyd

    Maybe its Hillary, she would be definitely unconventional. LOL!!

  • carbynew

    Arkansas Democratic Party spokeswoman Darinda Sharp said U.S. Reps. Vic Snyder and Marion Berry were unable to cast their delegate votes. She said Snyder stayed in Little Rock with his pregnant wife, ordered to stay in bed by her doctor, while Berry had to leave the convention early to meet commitments back in his East Arkansas district.

    http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aid=107638.54928.119767

  • admin

    Djia, gremlins in the machine. Our various spam filters react to all sorts of things. You are the technology victim this time but at various times the spam filters have targeted other innocents. It’s annoying but it will pass in short order. Our apologies.

  • alcina

    really? mittens out? that is a surprise. MJS needs assurance in big ten territory, MI, OH and PA.

  • alcina

    MJS=JSM..duh

  • Southern Born

    And while I’m on a “thing” about the Arkansas delegate vote yesterday, my mother’s sister, my aunt, DID fall at the primaries in Feb. when she went to vote for Hillary. She broke a bone, knocked her jaw out of alignment, and had to have stitches.

    After all of that, how happy do you think she is about her vote not mattering and all the delegate votes suddenly going for Obama yesterday?

  • confloyd

    H4T, if they can get the Ark. delegation to turn over, they can manipulate the polls and the voting machines. We have to make sure that McCain beats him by a mile so any problems with voting machines can be overcome.

    This reincarnation of the WhiteHouse is a joke, the Showboat Express has out done itself. THey must be just showing the republicans who has the money this time!

  • neetabug

    I am going to vote a Republican straight ticket come November here in Ohio.

    I am tired of the Dems. They don’t own me. Since my vote don’t count in the Democratic Party i will give it to the Republicans

  • confloyd

    How many of you all think McCain will pick a woman??

  • Idunn

    From admins article:

    In other ways, Obama’s liberal vision appears clouded, uncertain and even contradictory.

    translation: he’s a flake

  • Idunn

    I think he might actually pick Palin.

    I know, I know…she’s under a state probe right now, but it’s not going to amount to shit. It’s a political hit job for her whistle blowing. Sarah’s resonse to the probe? ” I welcome the investigation. Hold me accountable.” If McCain REALLY had any balls, he’d go with Sarah.

  • neetabug

    I don’t think he will. If he does, it may backfire. Most wanted Hillary

  • I’m wavering on voting for McCain. I don’t want him to pack the Supreme Court. The Clintons’ speeches are moving me to reconsider voting for McCain. I don’t want Hillary to be blamed for an Obama defeat, because then she’ll really be dead politically, like Ralph Nader.

  • alcina

    neeta

    the roll-call was the last straw for me. so much for the hillary “pledge cards” we signed as potential delegates. what crap. NH’s kathy sullivan and her band of traitors can go to hell. the least they could have done is show some loyalty, but they caved. totally.

    i will vote McCain and i am seriously considering voting against democrat jeanne shaheen for senate.

  • Berkeley Vox

    I think McCain will pick Kay Bailey Hutchinson … just my guess.

  • neetabug

    Mariaconz

    This is not about Hillary, this is about who has the experience. She will be blamed no matter what she or Bill does. Why should i vote for someone with no experience. I might as well run if this is the case

  • Idunn

    The Clintons’ speeches are moving me to reconsider voting for McCain.

    Did you mean to say “the Clinton’s speeches are moving me to vote for OBAMA” ?

  • carbynew

    Cindy Sheehan, the eternally Bush-baiting protester, also spoke. She now seems to blame the Democratic Party equally for the ills of the country. She called the two major parties “the twins.” “The twins, they don’t care about you,” she told the crowd (which looks mostly college-aged.) She talked about her son who died in Iraq. “I didn’t lose my son. If I lost him, I would go find him. He was murdered by the twins,” she said, blaming the parties’ alliance with the “military-industrial complex.”

    She compared President Bush to a boil, and added Barack Obama and
    John McCain to her boil list. “Unless we cure the disease, the boils will keep popping up.”

    blogs.courant.com/on_background/2008/08/4000-blow-off-biden-clinton-fo.html
    *****************************************************
    ROTFL!!!

    Cindy vs Pelosi. I so want that to happen. To look up and see Cindy in Nancy seat on C-SPAN would be wonderful.

  • alcina

    isn’t hair-curlers-hutchinson fron texas? isn’t texas already in the bag for McCain?

  • birdgal

    Admin: Thank you for your wonderful posting. The Wilentz article is full of great information, history, and shows some similarities, as well as differences between the situation of today, and that of past years. This year’s situation differs from the past, in some very important ways. Namely, past candidates have had substance filled platforms and experiences to back them up. When I read the quotation from BO, I was surprised (well, not really) that it was lifted from Carter’s speech. BO does not have an original idea in his head, which is one of the many reasons, that he cannot be trusted.

    Another major difference, is that this election has been rigged and fixed, which past elections have not been, or appeared to be. This farce and sham has been so blatantly undemocratic, why isn’t there more of an outrage? Why are people going along with this? The corruption, scheming, thuggery, manipulation, and coercion are so obvious. It astounds me, that the DNC is getting away with this. Our votes in the primary did not count. What a disgrace.

  • idunn,

    I did mean that. Three of four liberal Supreme Court justices are thinking of retiring. The decision to overturn Lily Ledbetter’s court award was overturned 5-4. The conservatives won.

  • carbynew

    Tennessee delegates cast their ballots

    DENVER — The Tennessee delegation cast its votes at the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, but it was behind the scenes and not on national television.

    The final tally was 51 votes for nominee Sen. Barack Obama and 32 for Sen. Hillary Clinton, party officials said.

    During the roll call of states, Clinton came onto the convention floor and asked that the process be ended and Obama be nominated by a voice vote. But she promised that all of the delegate votes would be counted.

    Going into the convention, Clinton had 46 delegates in Tennessee, Obama 35 and the rest were unpledged.

    A main theme of the convention has been trying to convince Clinton delegates to support Obama’s candidacy.

    http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/NEWS01/80828021

  • moononpluto

    How is Indonesia Jones and the temple of electoral doom coming along, has he finished colouring in yet.

  • carbynew

    mariaconz Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    idunn,

    I did mean that. Three of four liberal Supreme Court justices are thinking of retiring. The decision to overturn Lily Ledbetter’s court award was overturned 5-4. The conservatives won.
    *****************************************************
    Maybe it’s time for a change in the Supreme Court since the Democrats hasn’t shown any honor or ethics themselves. John Edwards anyone…that was a massive cover-up that involved many Democratic insiders.

    There is no way in hell Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Barack Obama didn’t know what was going on. They’re just mad that dumbass got caught seeing babymamma and kid.

  • debbie

    suicide watch, suicide and now rigor mortis

    admin you have it right.

    back in June I left a union I was working for primarily bcause of their “forceful” endorsement of BHO. I have been unemployed since. This was quite a costly move for me but on principle I have to live with myself and the decisions I make.

    Today I totally seperate from the organizations that have taken my blood sweat and tears over the years and now announce my endorsement of John McCain. Not only that, I will not vote for any of my legislators or delegates that switched their vote from Hillary to BHO.

    I no doubt will find myself unemployed for quite sometime due to this decision.

    I make this decision with a heavy heart, and now I must grieve. I remain a democrat regardless of the current leadership because in my heart somehow we will get the party back on track.

    I do not live in a swing state, but my voice will be heard nonetheless, and I will continue to fight for everyone else voice too.

    I love you guys…keep fighting the good fight.

  • neetabug

    carbynew Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    mariaconz Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    idunn,

    I did mean that. Three of four liberal Supreme Court justices are thinking of retiring. The decision to overturn Lily Ledbetter’s court award was overturned 5-4. The conservatives won.
    *****************************************************
    Maybe it’s time for a change in the Supreme Court since the Democrats hasn’t shown any honor or ethics themselves. John Edwards anyone…that was a massive cover-up that involved many Democratic insiders.

    There is no way in hell Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Barack Obama didn’t know what was going on. They’re just mad that dumbass got caught seeing babymamma and kid.

    They knew it, they just didn’t want Hillary to become the Democratic nominee. I hope they all lose their seats. It is already called the do nothing congress. Throw the BUMBS out

  • admin

    Mariaconz, we wrote about that Supreme Court argument here:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=649

    Our post has a lot of information about why Democrats should not trust Obama on Supreme Court appointments and how to make sure Supreme Court appointments protect progressive Democratic core values.

    The argument that McCain will be able to pack the Supreme Court if he gets elected is not a particularly useful one for Democrats. What that argument is really arguing is that a Democratic Congress will be useless so why elect Democratic Senators.

    We demand a Democratic Senate fight for Democratic values. If Democratic Senators will not do that then perhaps we need to not only defeat Obama, but weakling Democrats running for the Senate too.

  • HillaryforTexas

    mariaconz, I keep hearing various arguments for why I should let bygones be bygones, go hold my nose and vote for O, the Supreme Court being one of them. But if I do not have MY VOTE, as a Democrat, then I have nothing, and all the Liberal justices in the world will not change that.

    I heard almost these exact same arguments from my moderate Republican friends and family when Bushco pulled his little election-tampering capers.

    They knew it was wrong. They knew it was as un-American as anything they’d ever seen. A few admitted it to me. But….. it was done, it was over, and speaking up would have meant splitting their party in half and losing to what they saw as a worse alternative. So they gritted their teeth and got behind the sumbitch.

    Not counting votes, gaming caucuses, intimidation, illegal sign -in sheets, voter fraud is WRONG, no matter which party does it, and no matter to what ends it is done.

    I will NOT be silent on this, and I will NOT endorse it with my vote because I am afraid that if I do, conservatives win. That sort of attitude in reverse, by good and thinking Republicans, is EXACTLY how we got into the mess we are in.

  • carbynew

    That’s how pissed I’am with this whole unity crap…The DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY tossed women under the bus and then had the gall to talk about women rights…it didn’t ring true.

    They sound like HYPOCRITS up there when they didn’t say a single word against all the months of sexism and mysoginy being hurled out of the mouths of Democratic? pundits.

    It is disgusting then to come back and reward that behavior….if women did that over 80 years ago we would not have the right to vote now. Nobody gives you anything you have to fight for it…and to let the Dems get away with this crap of placing an underqualified male how happens to be black over a overqualified female…is setting a standard that will be duplicated in the future.

    Like Latino male before female

    Like Asian male before female

    Like Italian male before female

    Like Jewish male before female

    Like another 100 years before female, if then.

  • birdgal

    debbie: You’re for McCain? I thought, you had decided against that.

    My congressman is very popular, but I will vote against him, for supporting the corruption and farce of this election.

  • mp

    The two supreme court justices relevant in the decision that matters in the SC makeup for DEMS can stay on…they are not that old.

    They should realise this is about the country…not about themselves!!!

    And the senate better stand their ground during controverisal appointees.

  • shenanigans

    Did anyone else notice during the fake roll call when Nancy Pelosi asked for the motion all in favor say Aye…Aye…all in favor Nay…with a simultaneous gavel drop? She never ever allowed the audible and the music started. I wonder if there’s youtube video.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Written by a neo-con, but a great article on why Hill supporters are not “getting over it”

    pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-pumas-cant-just-get-over-it/

    The last line is the best:
    Obama’s attitude towards Hillary supporters is the first real test in this campaign of his actual diplomacy, as opposed to his speeches about it. If so, he gets an F.

  • freckles

    Mariaconz…………..

    The Supremes are already ‘packed’.

    Roe V. Wade was written by a Repub nominated judge.

    The Senate will have enough Dems to oppose any right-wing zealot.

    Don’t let that threat keep you from doing what is right.

  • neetabug

    If you feel deep in your heart this person is not qualified, and know the the other person has the experience, why would you vote for such a person.

    This is like a friend, they are your best friend, you love them to death, when it comes to running a business they have no experience what so ever. Would you give them the money to start the business if they ask you for the money?

    This is the same with the Democratic Party, O has no business running for the PRESIDENT OF THE US

  • Floridian

    I feel the aching in the pit of my stomach when something seems so wrong. I can not vote for Obama.
    I feel he stole this nomination from Hillary. It was her turn. The woman’s turn. He could have fit in nicely after her. BUT, he couldn’t wait and he has ruined the Democratic Party’s biggest opportunity because his inexperience is so obvious. His so called change is fake. He has the same old politicians backing him with their same old ways. Hillary represented the greatest change and he is riding on her band wagon with “his” health insurance program. I will vote for McCain as president, but will vote democratic for the rest of the ticket. That will give us some control, but tell Obama he made a big mistake stepping in front of Hillary.

  • freckles

    carby…I agree…I’ve been saying that for months.

    Remember Dukakis, the first Greek-American man? We still haven’t gotten over that hurdle.
    We’ve got to get thru the first Ukrainian-American man, the first Japanese-American man, and on and on. Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims, native Americans, ….the mind boggles. If we shut up now, we’ll have to shut up for every “historic first” that man can devise.

  • Idunn

    What bugs me is that Bambi had a chance to help another minority bust through the glass ceiling. He was too small to do that, even though she was incredibly qualified and had 18 million votes behind her. As a bi-racial woman, that just makes me sick to my stomach.

  • admin

    DrudgeReport has a poll up on a McCain running mate. Romney is the clear winner thus far. 18% of the vote for Kay Bailey Hutchinson. A Dark Horse candidate gets 17%. Romney gets 49%.

  • basil9

    Carby,

    This is my greatest concern. Women served last.

    “…and to let the Dems get away with this crap of placing an underqualified male how happens to be black over a overqualified female…is setting a standard that will be duplicated in the future.”

  • debbie

    birdgirl, I have to take a stand for my own self.
    After watching the “roll call” vote yesterday it was clear that the charade has gone on long enough.
    I will not endorse the platform of the republican party it is not my party, but with my protest vote for McCain I can help send a loud and clear message to the democratic party that enough is enough of this bullshit. I do not like what they have done, I do not like the path they are on and I will not participate in it.

    There are a myriad of issues that are important, but for democrats to ignore one of most important “human dignity” then it is obvious there is something very wrong. To watch their silence as Hillary was totally degraded and “still is” was a slap in the face of every woman on earth. It was so shameful it hurt.

    I say to myself..it’s only for 4 years, but if the democratic party doesn’t wisen up..it may be much longer.

    I am not under any illusion that Hillary will miraculously some how become our president in this current election cycle. the forces against it are too are too great. the only chance I have is to make sure BHO and the current dnc leadership go down.

  • neetabug

    Someone stated on here you could register to vote on the same date as the election. I think it was PM
    The last day for voter registeration is Oct 7th. You cannot register to vote on the same date of the election. You will need a valid id. Drivers License, state id, utility bill with your name and address on it.
    You must have something with your NAME AND ADDRESS

  • Idunn

    Hear hear, Debbie!!

  • freckles

    You may notice that Nevada just went from slightly McC to Obama (by 5).

    Well, not if I’m still breathing! A Latino voice would be helpful but otherwise I will rouse every senior here….at least they can vote this time.

  • neetabug

    continued to correspond with the voter registration book

  • Idunn

    Obama is just getting the Clinton bounce. McCain will make that up easily.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Too funny! remember how po’d Bambi was that McCain compared him to Brittney Spears? GUESS WHO DESIGNED THE SET FOR TONIGHT?

    Brittney Spears set designer. ROTFLMAO!!!!

    LMAO! He complained about JohnnyMac comparing him to Brittney, but he is using her set designer for his Indonesia Jones and the Temple of Electoral Doom extravaganza!

    God, you could not make this shit up. 🙂

  • pm317

    shenanigans Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    ——————–
    I punished myself to watch that video. There was no pause. Pelosi is scum of the scums and a coward — she looked so horrible. These people have to pay.

  • pm317

    neetabug Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    —————-
    Good to know. thanks for that clarification.

  • shenanigans

    I’ll confirm what Neetabug said, you need a valid ID to vote and your voter registration card. When my husband went to vote in the primary, his license has an address of our vacation home, in another county. He had to come back with more proof to verify he was the person on the registration book.

  • basil9

    pm,

    which video?

  • pm317

    basil, what shenanigans linked up thread. You may not want to watch it — it is Hillary’s acclamation from the floor.

  • birdgal

    Debbie, I completely agree. I had made up my mind to do the same on May 31. I was surprised that you were going to, because you had said, that was something you could not do. The corruption is so bad, a protest vote is warranted.

  • basil9

    pm,

    you’re right. think i’ll pass. 👿

  • birdgal

    Here is the obscene picture of the fake temple or WH:

    riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/stadium_large.jpg

  • birdgal

    BTW, the set designer, is the same one used by Brittany Spears for her last concert.

  • Illinois Underground

    Afternoon, Hillfriends.

    Thank you Admin for another outstanding article. And, I also love Prof. Wilentz’ writing….he is an insightful historian with a lyrical touch.

    I share the sadness and outrage expressed here in the wake of yesterday’s coup d’etat. Just checking in to refuel with an extra helping of outrage. NObama, NOvember. I OWN MY VOTE!

  • basil9

    anyone have a good obama-free
    national and international news source?

  • HillaryforTexas

    BREAKING:
    Footage released of Obama’s entry to the Temple of Electoral Doom

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebwajADIm7k

    Ho bama, Hey Bama,
    Bama bama ho
    bama hey, bama ho-baaaamaaaa!

  • birdgal

    This is probably a joke, but he’ll be arriving in this:

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/this-has-got-to-be-a-joke-someone-please-check-on-this-and-comment/#comment-614

  • basil9

    Admin,

    Another wonderful article. I’m glad to hear you’re going to keep this site going.
    Personally, I would have been lost the past 6 months without BigPink.

  • Illinois Underground

    Me, too, Basil. When you hear the dogs barking, keep going………………

  • carbynew

    If you feel deep in your heart this person is not qualified, and know the the other person has the experience, why would you vote for such a person.
    ******************************************************
    The Democrats want me to hold Obama at a higher level then I do a White, Latino, Asian, Native American candidate with the same resume as Obama running for the highest office in the land.

    I just can’t do that!

    Bill Clinton was nice and kind to Obama with they called me too young/inexperience too rhetoric but Bill Clinton did not have a weak resume he ran Arkansas a state living in the 19th century and brought it forward.

    Arkansas is one of our pooriest states and still does better then Chicago in quality of life issues.

    Illinois had revolving doors to their prisons for their politicians…from both parties and Chicago is one of the most racist big city in this country. They have segregation done to a “T” it’s all about racist politics and the same families running everything.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Comment on another site after seeing the stage pics: “Looks like Obama is all set to get his tacky on tonight.”

  • pm317

    Two plagiarists in a pod (I call the Dem ticket that):

    Want to bring this to your attention from Wilentz’s article:

    “Against this backdrop, how has the presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack
    Obama, proposed to revivify Democratic liberalism? There is a quotation
    that ought to give Democrats, and not just Democrats, pause: “This year
    will not be a year of politics as usual. It can be a year of inspiration
    and hope, and it will be a year of concern, of quiet and sober
    reassessment of our nation’s character and purpose. It has already been a
    year when voters have confounded the experts. And I guarantee you that it
    will be the year when we give the government of this country back to the
    people of this country. There is a new mood in America. We have been
    shaken by a tragic war abroad and by scandals and broken promises at home.
    Our people are searching for new voices and new ideas and new leaders.”

    Delivered in Obama’s exhortatory cadences, the words are uplifting. The
    trouble is, though they seem to fit, the passage is from Carter’s
    acceptance speech at the Democratic convention in 1976.”

  • Illinois Underground

    @ HillaryforTexas 3:38 pm: LOL!!!!!!!

  • independent2008

    HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
    Comment on another site after seeing the stage pics: “Looks like Obama is all set to get his tacky on tonight.”

    —————————————————————————————————————————————
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Idunn

    H4T…LMAO!! I started to post a vid from the original movie last night, but got sidetracked by the Caligula thing.

  • texan4hillary

    mccain vp spec wild. i think its romney or pawlenty myself. romney’s home being combed over by secret service-but some say its bc he ispart of mccain’s entourage of folks for next week and its standard. maybe pawlenty. i think we will get another dissapointing vp pick. i hate this

  • admin,

    I don’t know what I would have done without you all of these months that Hillary was hung out to dry like a pinata. I really appreciate your blog, and I’m glad that someone else said so, so that I would remember to say so.

    I still want to defeat MANY Democrats, including Senators Ted Kennedy (unnecessary, at this point?) and John Kerry — oh, and Nancy Pelosi, as well. Tell me who to send money to, and I’ll send their opponents money. I don’t care who they are.

    I’m still wavering, and thank you, all, for not moving in for the kill like those Obama hooligans do. Did you read Froma Harrop’s column today (8/28/08), “Hillary can’t fix what the Democrats broke”?? It’s outstanding.

  • confloyd

    Only McCain would think of delivering his VP at HIGH NOON. This will be a gunfight, maybe he has picked Clint Eastwood! LOL! Everyday I like McCain more!

  • Idunn

    YOU CAN NOT COUNT ON OUR VOTE, JOHN!!

    Better bring something worth our while to the damned table.

  • texan4hillary

    email mccain manaer rick davis about that-
    rickdavis@johnmccaincom

  • OkieAtty

    Toga, Toga, Toga

    August 28, 2008 3:28 PM

    1:25 pm MT: The games have begun: The Republican National Committee is alerting reporters to the fact that a “large group” of young people are headed to a downtown Denver hotel dressed in togas — calling attention to the “Temple of Obama” at Invesco Field.

    Probably an irresistible image to include in today’s coverage.

  • Idunn

    Okie…that isn’t true is it?

  • moononpluto

    Yet another disaster for Obama.

    It will be like Facebook, they’ll all turn up in toga’s and trash the place.

    All people will see is drunk kids in Toga’s and the damage will be done.

  • birdgal

    The democrats are looking like kids. Do you really want this party leading the country???

  • djia

    admin Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    Djia, gremlins in the machine
    ********

    Can we pack up those gremlins with some water(they multiply and turn really nasty when they get wet) and send them Federal Express to the O’Zues’s
    new Temple of doom just in time for tonights
    WORSHIP????

  • carbynew

    Kerry agrees to debate Democratic challenger O’Reilly
    By Associated Press
    Friday, August 22, 2008 – Added 5d 22h ago

    BOSTON – Sen. John Kerry is going to debate his Democratic re-election opponent after all.

    Negotiators for Kerry and Gloucester attorney Edward O’Reilly agreed today to a single debate before the Sept. 16 primary.

    Tentative plans call for it to be moderated by WBZ-TV political analyst Jon Keller, says Kerry spokeswoman Brigid O’Rourke.

    Kerry has not faced a primary challenger since his first Senate campaign in 1984. O’Reilly has proposed 23 debates but Kerry balked by citing his official and campaign schedules.

    If the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee wins the primary, he’ll square off for his fifth term against Republican Jeff Beatty, a Cape Cod businessman and former Army Delta Force member.

    news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/politics/view/2008_08_22_Kerry_agrees_to_debate_Democratic_challenger_O_Reilly/srvc=home&position=recent

  • confloyd

    Kay Bailey will be on Fox in a few minutes!

  • carbynew

    Jack Spillane: Ed O’Reilly is the anti-Kerry in every way
    August 28, 2008 6:00 AM

    Fifty-five year-old Ed O’Reilly, a Gloucester lawyer running against John Kerry for the U.S. Senate, is everything Mr. Kerry is not.

    Sitting in The Standard-Times’ board room, Mr. O’Reilly seems like an animated leprechaun.

    A diminutive look-alike for Joseph P. Kennedy III, in manner he’s as quick-witted and mischievous as Sen. Kerry is dogged and serious.

    “John Kerry lives in another world. He visits our world,” says Mr. O’Reilly, playing on Sen. Kerry’s reputation as an aristocrat.

    “No one has ever said I saw John Kerry standing in line, waiting for a large coffee at Dunkin’ Donuts,” Mr. O’Reilly continues. “No one has ever said to me, ‘Hey, I saw John Kerry up at Route 140 pumpin’ gas.”

    Ed O’Reilly’s resume reads like the script of a life well lived.

    The son of a Watertown fire chief who spent his early years in a public housing project, Ed’s been a firefighter, a lobsterman, a corrections officer, city councilor and, for the last 25 years, a successful criminal defense attorney.

    Since winning a battle with alcohol 17 years ago, Mr. O’Reilly built his law practice, designed four houses, made lots of money and lived the good life.

    A member of a blue-collar family that came to bitterly oppose the Vietnam War after his brother’s service, Ed O’Reilly says he always supported John Kerry for his anti-war positions. That is, until the senator, in 2002, authorized President Bush to go to war in Iraq.

    Mr. O’Reilly’s sunny nature grows serious when he talks about the war. He doesn’t mince words when he talks about how he feels about Sen. Kerry’s vote. He charges, point blank, that the longtime legislator sent servicemen to battle because he thought it would help his planned presidential bid.

    “The reason he voted for the war was to become the president of the United States, which has been his lifelong dream,” he said.

    Mr. O’Reilly noted that John Kerry had voted against the Persian Gulf War in 1991, and charges that the senator knew the second Iraq war was a bad idea.

    “What kind of a human being would vote for a war knowing it was wrong?” he asks, calling Mr. Kerry “sad.”

    John Kerry, who won three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, called his opponent’s charges “disgraceful” and “insulting.”

    “I would never, in a moment, consider doing anything with respect to war and peace — and the lives of our soldiers — other than what I thought was appropriate,” he said.

    The United Nations had found and destroyed Iraqi weapons of mass destruction prior to the war, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, along with the Senate, were deceived by the Bush administration, he said.

    Mr. O’Reilly says Ted Kennedy knew enough not to vote for the war, and that Sen. Kerry let the country down.

    He mocks Sen. Kerry for saying he and Ted Kennedy are a powerful “one-two punch” for Massachusetts.

    “We have one punch, and then we have somebody else who punched for George Bush on the war,” he says.

    Eddie O’Reilly surprised some pundits when he managed to get on the primary ballot, garnering almost 23 percent of the vote at the Democratic state convention in June.

    He jokes that he did it with a “stealth” campaign, starting “like Castro, in the hills.”

    He went to almost 40 Democratic barbecues and some 115 city and town Democratic committee meetings over the past year.

    And he organized good turnouts from family and friends across the state for the scantily attended convention.

    He tells funny stories about hanging out by the buffet tables and stalking the Democratic insiders.

    When they were Kerry supporters, as they often were, he’d ask them if they wanted a grape.

    After 25 years as a trial lawyer, Mr. O’Reilly says it was time for him to try something different.

    His father, who once laid him off as a firefighter, died two years ago, reminding him that life is short, he said.

    So he refinanced one of his houses and sold his law practice in order to make the Senate run, pouring $400,000 of his own money into the race.

    He’s not worried if he hurts his financial position, he says, because he believes that “doing the right thing” always works out for you in the end.

    “I think our country is in trouble, and I don’t want to be on my death bed thinking that I didn’t do my best,” he says.

    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/NEWS/808280342/-1/NEWS10

  • marie3548

    insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/how-many-at-invesco-field-will-be-there-because-theyve-been-coerced-heres-a-true-example/
    How many at INVESCO field will be there because they have been coerced

  • marie3548

    community.comcast.net/comcastportal/blog/article?message.uid=2330903
    Just Biden Time
    Instead, Biden’s speech was a meandering mess. The most important politician from Delaware since Caesar Rodney never hit his stride. He sounded like he couldn’t find his voice as he struggled to prove how he, like his running mate, is an outsider. It’s a difficult case to make for a six-term senator. In fact, it’s a little preposterous.

  • marie3548

    http://www.newsmax.com/politics/cvn_biden_his_words/2008/08/27/125658.html
    Biden Hasn’t Always Had Kind Words for Runningmate

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73577
    Joe Biden: Hair we can believe in
    According to Vice Plagiarist Biden’s own autobiography,

  • marie3548

    cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/paterson-describes-disappointment-of-clinton-fans/
    Paterson Describes ‘Disappointment’ of Clinton Fans

  • marie3548

    messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=560797&articleId=734783&func=6&channel=News+AOL+Managed&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false
    Interesting development
    Was Obama born in Kenya?

  • jonnyB

    Since 1906, no Democrat has become President without winning WV.
    Barack has no shot at winning in WV.

    Except for Eisenhower, Missouri has always chosen the President.
    Barack trailed by 3 in July; in August he trails by 10.
    Barack will lose MO.

    No Republican has won the Presidency without OH.
    McCain is winning and will win OH.

    If the Presidential Election were held today, would you vote for Republican John McCain or Democrat Barack Obama? [Rasmussen]

    Without Leaners
    With
    Leaners

    McCain
    46%
    52%

    Obama
    40%
    42%

    Other
    7%
    2%

    Not sure
    7%
    4%

    Yes, Dean’s DNC is dead.

  • hwc

    Obama and the DNC playing Addicted to Love as Bill Clinton left the stage last night was the last straw for me. I’d vote for a yellow dog before I voted for a Democrat this year.

  • neetabug

    hwc Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
    Obama and the DNC playing Addicted to Love as Bill Clinton left the stage last night was the last straw for me. I’d vote for a yellow dog before I voted for a Democrat this year.

    Hrc I hear ya

    So will I

  • Berkeley Vox

    They played ‘Beautiful Day’ as Clinton left the stage, by U2 ((((U2)))))

  • marie3548

    article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=&w=MQ==
    Barack Obama, Aspiring Commissar
    Barack and cronies trying to shut this story down

  • OkieAtty

    McCain plans ‘exciting’ campaign ad Thursday night
    Posted: 01:26 PM ET

    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
    McCain plans a direct response to Obama Thursday.

    (CNN) – John McCain will directly address rival Barack Obama Thursday night, in an ad the Arizona senator’s campaign is calling “exciting and unprecedented.”

    The ad, set to run in crucial battleground states, is the McCain campaign’s latest in a series of attempts to pull media attention away from the Democratic National convention as Obama gets ready to accept his party’s presidential nomination.

    The McCain campaign would reveal little details about the commercial, but said it would air around the time Obama is slated to speak before an estimated 75,000 spectators at Invesco field.

  • Idunn

    Hey, I didn’t even notice the democrat donkey was nixed!

    campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/staging-obama/?ref=opinion

  • marie3548

    1gypsy4mc on 08.28.08 at 4:53 pm
    Hannity said that BO is trying to shut down a radio show in Chicago because they want to put on a critic of Obama? Silence the opposition – I only “heard” this on the radio and cannot prove this! But it has to do with BO’s radical associations with Ayers, etc.

  • oklahomahills

    Lieberman is a brilliant choice. If McCain were a Dem it would be a horrible choice. This gives him the change mantle, the whole idea of a new politics that is bi-partisan–something we haven’t seen before. It has nothing to do with Lieberman; it everything to do with this very theme that O is losing through his actions and Washington insider choice.

  • OkieAtty

    Stuck in the spam filter…..see if this works.

    McCain plans ‘exciting’ campaign ad Thursday night
    Posted: 01:26 PM ET

    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
    McCain plans a direct response to Obama Thursday.

    (CNN) – John McCain will directly address rival Barack Obama Thursday night, in an ad the Arizona senator’s campaign is calling “exciting and unprecedented.”

    The ad, set to run in crucial battleground states, is the McCain campaign’s latest in a series of attempts to pull media attention away from the Democratic National convention as Obama gets ready to accept his party’s presidential nomination.

    The McCain campaign would reveal little details about the commercial, but said it would air around the time Obama is slated to speak before an estimated 75,000 spectators at Invesco field.

  • texan4hillary

    mccain’s so called ad for tonight-he praises obama. that si the ad. what the hell?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KIvRTg6KQ

  • moononpluto

    He doesnt down to earth well, the elite snob always wins through and with his dope and mange mantra who’s gonna believe him, he’s in danger of soundling like no one special tonight.

  • moononpluto

    texan its very clever, its called being nice with a sledgehammer.

    Taking the moral high ground gets him points.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Idunn, no donkeys, and no American flags. Did you see one damn flag at that convention? I didn’t.

  • Idunn

    I only “heard” this on the radio and cannot prove this! But it has to do with BO’s radical associations with Ayers, etc.

    It’s a fact. Already been confirmed.

  • texan4hillary

    not kay baily. se said today she hasnt been vetted and will not serve as his vp choice. she also doesnt think it will be a woman. she thinks romney

  • Idunn

    Idunn, no donkeys, and no American flags. Did you see one damn flag at that convention? I didn’t.

    Only when the color guard walked out, and the ones the crowds were waving last night. 🙁

  • moononpluto

    besides it provides a opposite. Obama is going to slam McCain tonight but McCain playing that nice ad makes any slamming by Obama tonight look like nastiness, its damn clever.

  • Idunn

    not kay baily. se said today she hasnt been vetted and will not serve as his vp choice

    Thank god.

  • oklahomahills

    Biden looked sinister and angry as he evil-eyed the telepromter. Plus a little buffoonish as he tried too hard

  • HillaryforTexas

    That ad is brilliant on McCain’s part. It makes his graciousness contrast with Obama and his supporters ugliness. It makes people wonder why Obama never had any kind words for HIS opponent’s historical achievement (Hillary’s.)

    It makes Dean look like the raving racist with his “party of old white men” remarks.

    It was just a classy thing to do, period.

  • oklahomahills

    Idunn, no donkeys, and no American flags.
    ***************************

    I saw an ass or two, if that helps!

  • moononpluto

    That ad is just a stroke of genius.

    It really makes McCain look like a man of kindness and of humility.

    You’d never see dumbfuck be that gracious.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Also, Obama is supposedly going to hit McCain hard tonight in his speech. Now, isn’t he going to look the total ass doing that while that ad of McCain’s is running.

    Grandpa didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. LOL!

  • neetabug

    Shows McCain is not about himself. Like O , me, me, me

  • JanH

    So I wonder if Obama will have cheerleaders tonight?

  • oklahomahills

    McCain’s ad comes from the philosophy of, “Smile, it will make everyone wonder what you’ve been up to.”

    They will talk about this, and it points out what O has NEVER done.

  • Idunn

    It makes people wonder why Obama never had any kind words for HIS opponent’s historical achievement (Hillary’s.)

    OR John McCains.

    And it’s honest…tomorrow, I’m gonna kick your ass again, but tonight? Well done, Senator. 😉

  • alcina

    McCains ad is genious. he looks good in it, too.

  • moononpluto

    God, McCain probably just ruined bambi’s whole hate filled speech with that ad.

    He’s fucked with Obama’s head right before primetime. What a class act McCain is.

    I think underestimation is the word here.

    Oh and for everyone else. That Gallup poll is shit. It had Bambi 54 to 39 yesterday in that single day. I think someones been fudging figures because none of that bump showed up anywhere else in any other polls.

  • JanH

    Maybe the New York Radio City Music Hall Dancers? 😉

  • HillaryforTexas

    I love the line: All too often the achievements of our opponents goes unnoticed..”

    McCain just made Obama look the complete egocentric ass for not stooping to truly honor what Hillary achieved with those 18 million votes.

    Without saying it. Just by example.

  • JanH

    Now, if Obama says anything anti-McCain, he is going to look like the bully he really is.

  • MIDem

    Admin,
    thank you for all the outstanding articles that you write and present.
    One of the best parts of this community is the feeling of not being alone in one’s outrage and incredulous astonishment at the theft of a democracy.

    Did anyone notice the spectacular ovation Bill Clinton received yesterday? Apparently he is not as polarizing and divisive as the dnc
    and the pundits would have us believe.
    Bill and Hillary Clinton are truly loved by the people.

    NObama in NOvember

  • confloyd

    Do we know why Richardson’s speech was changed from last night to tonight! My bet is because Bill doesn’t want to see him. Bill will not be at invesco tonight so my guess its Bill and he is still pist!

  • HillaryforTexas

    LMAO! Gramps has Baby Bama’s number. He has him PEGGED.

  • birdgal

    Good ad! McCain is taking the high road. A truce for today. Ha!

  • confloyd

    Yeah, I think its Romney, YUK!! They want him so he can fight Hillary in 2012!

  • birdgal

    Maybe, Oprah and Scarlett can be BO’s cheerleaders. And, let’s not forget the Obama Girl.

  • Idunn

    Maybe it’s just me, but I think you can learn alot about a person by how well they play a game. (yes, I’m highly competetive, so what?) How well have they learned the mechanics of the game? How far ahead do they think in terms of strategy? How well do they read me and what I might do or not do in the game?

    Whether I win the game or not, I always leave the table impressed by someone who scores high on those points, in my mind.

    I’m feeling really good about John McCain as a leader right now.

  • moononpluto

    Maybe they needed Richardson to be his fanboy, faning him and feeding him grapes, after all Richardson has been his waterboy extreme, this cycle.

  • Berkeley Vox

    The McCain ad is actually a very Bill Clinton-esque maneuver: heap praise on your opponent for the things that s/he’s undeniably good it, because it makes you more persuasive when you need to shred them apart. Smart move.

  • Berkeley Vox

    good at^

  • OkieAtty

    McCain’s ad is smart. You know, for an old geezer, he sure is awfully sharp, huh?

    👿 would be smart not to underestimate him. LOL. I do say I’m slightly disappointed. I was hoping the ad would be O-bots in drag singing “Hit Me Baby One More Time” or something cool.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Idunn, I feel the same way. If the candidate can’t play chess with their opponent, how can they play chess with some crazy dictator somewhere?

    All Obama has shown me is that his massive ego colors every decision and reaction he makes. That is a BAD thing in a leader.

  • alcina

    i love McCains smile as he slides the knife into BO’s ribs. right up front. face to face. ya gotta love it. like someone said upthread, he’s got his number and he’s playing his hand.

  • OkieAtty

    Idunn, he did look really presidential in that setting, huh?

  • moononpluto

    Nah the best ad song McCain could use would be

    Britney Spear – Toxic

    Yeah Obama, they’re addicted to you but we know that your toxic.

  • OkieAtty

    Oh, gawd. This gets better. McCain’s playing serious mindgames with 👿 ‘s camp.

    Obama camp: McCain would be committing “political malpractice” with veep leak tonight

    Annoyed by all the mind-games and leaks meant to divert attention from their candidate’s long-anticipated acceptance speech tonight, Barack Obama’s campaign is hitting back this afternoon and accusing their counterparts of playing poltiical games.

    “Tonight would be political malpractice,” Obama communications chief Dan Pfeiffer told Politico. “It’s one more piece of evidence that the McCain campaign is a war room masquerading as a presidential campaign.”

    Pfeiffer did, however, call McCain’s bluff.

    “If they do it, I will pay all of McCain’s mortgages next month,” he quipped.

    McCain, as Pfeiffer well knows, has no mortgages on the numerous properties and he and his wife own.

    Matt Drudge is teasing a potential 6 PM leak of McCain’s choice on the top of his web page, creating a frenzy of speculation today as most political reporters await Obama’s speech later tonight.

    McCain is set to roll out his choice at a rally tomorrow in Dayton, Ohio.

    This guy is damn good. Clearly 👿 is not.

  • Idunn

    But did anyone else think there was a bit of sarcasm in his voice when he said, :How perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day.” ?

    Somehow, that was a little off to me.

  • moononpluto

    What the fuck is “political malpractice” are they having a laugh after they have pulled every nasty fucking trick in the book when it could hurt. Me thinks they are scared bambi may be upstaged.

  • Idunn

    “It’s one more piece of evidence that the McCain campaign is a war room masquerading as a presidential campaign.”

    WTF do they think a political campaign is?! OMG…MORONS!!!!!

  • OkieAtty

    Idunn, I caught a little of that, too. I think it’s an under the radar acknowledgment of the PUMA’s argument 👿 was selected, not elected and that this has been in the works for a long, long time. Good for McCain for giving us a nod. At least someone thinks our votes count.

  • OkieAtty

    WTF? Schumer called McCain “fancy pants?” I think he misspoke. Based on what’s going on at the Temple of Narcissus tonight, it’s very clear to many of us who Mr. Fancy Pants is in this equation.

  • birdgal

    BO=Fancy pants.

  • alcina

    just enough sarcasm to make you wonder if you really heard it that way, or not.. brilliant.

  • OkieAtty

    Excerpts of Kay Bailey Hutchison’s Fox News Interview

    Fox release:

    SENATOR KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON (R-TX) SAYS SHE IS NOT MCCAINS VP CHOICE

    ON WHETHER SHE IS THE NOMINEE:
    “I have no airline reservations to Ohio”

    ON GOVERNOR PAWLENTY AS A POTENTIAL CHOICE:
    “I think he is on everyone’s short list, you never can tell…my guess is Mitt Romney.”

    ON HER BEING CONSIDERED:
    “I did not want to be considered for Vice President.”

    ON A WOMAN BEING CONSIDERED:
    “I do think a woman on the ticket could have been something very exciting…I want it to be a woman that has the right views, the same views that I do about the future of our country.”

    ON BARACK OBAMA’S CHOICE:
    “I think Barack Obama did go safe…I think here’s where your going to see the differences are going to be very clear…they’re going to be so different and Americans are going to have that choice and make that choice and I think its going to be a clear choice.”

  • OkieAtty

    Rollcall reports Romney’s sister’s home swept by the Secret Service. I think we have a winner, folks.

    Romney Family Gets Security Sweep
    By David M. Drucker
    Roll Call Staff
    August 28, 2008, 1:26 p.m.

    If security sweeps are the giveaway, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney may be on the brink of being selected as Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) vice presidential running mate.

    According to sources with strong Michigan ties, the Secret Service has conducted a security sweep of the home of Romney’s sister. Romney was raised in Michigan, where his father served as governor.

    However, one campaign operative familiar with the working of a presidential-level campaign cautioned that a sweep of such a location could have been conducted in advance of Romney appearing as a surrogate — not the vice presidential nominee — at an upcoming McCain campaign stop in Michigan.

    Any McCain campaign appearance in Michigan would likely include Romney, who remains popular there.

    Other sources and some news reports have also suggested that Romney in the last few days might be traveling with a security detail, although exactly who employs this security detail could not be confirmed.

    Romney finished first in Michigan’s January GOP presidential primary. McCain finished second in that race.

  • OkieAtty

    I like Mitt well enough, and besides he’s totally evil in debates. He will fuck Joe Biden up. Joe just thought he got a bloody nose before.

    HA!!! 😆 😆 😆

  • Idunn

    SHIT!!!

    It better not be mittens!!!!

  • Idunn

    I can’t stand Romney. 🙁

    Except for his truly universal healthcare plan.

    Wait…hmmmm….

  • OkieAtty

    Hey, don’t forget to get your free download of “Raising McCain” to play when you see an 👿 bot on the street.

    johnrich.com

  • confloyd

    Idunn, I am with you on this one, I hate mittens!! He was so nasty to Hillary, he was the worse one. Ghouliani would be better than mittens. I hope he picks Palin, but I don’t think its a woman. I hope its Colin Powell, the would be a swift kick in the ass of the “ONE”.

  • OkieAtty

    LOL. Idunn. I missed you. Glad we’re both back. ROTFLMTWAO.

  • confloyd

    I forgot about his universal healthcare plan, but he is still an ARSH!

  • OkieAtty

    McCain has to shore up on the economy stuff. Plus, Mitt does believe in UHC and he’s on the fence on abortion (I think he’s pro-choice myself).

    Besides, it’d be the battle of politics’ best hair vs. worst hair plugs.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Oh, that is too funny. So McCain waited until Bambi got all bowed up and took a shot at him, THEN he released that sweet ad looking like everyone’s favorite Grandpa.

    LMAO!! Yep, he has the Precious nailed.

  • Idunn

    Romney would make a strking contest to Biden. heh heh heh.

    But….NO!!! I HATE ROMNEY!!!

  • confloyd

    HIGH NOON tomorrow!! LMAO!!

  • wbboei

    The Peal Harbor I referred to per delegate I spoke to was there was Hillary was actually ahead in the hotel room polls that was when McAluiffe said continue to fight and when Pelosi saw this was happening she immediately called for a floor vote with media present and no Hillary delegates in the room. Obamaites some delegates others not walking up and down the halls pounding on doors. Some Hillary delegates were crying and refused of leave rooms. More I cant go into. When they saw they were losing they called for a floor vote and got their own people in there first–same stategy as caucus–typical Soros ACORN camp Obama operation welcome to the future–a new kind of politics. (Note: I was wrong about Arkansas–it was a set up by Obama. It is too bad the State Party Chairman who was strong proclinton and would have never allowed this was murdered a few weeks ago. I am not suspicious since I know this would never happen in this country even when there is this much at stake.) Nevertheless, that concern reverberated through the delegation according to the guy I spoke to).

  • moononpluto

    Theres’ only a few who fit in the fold of “unconventional” for McCains republican VP.

    1 : Romney : Mormon, somehow can’t see it, would tick off half the party. you know those Christians

    2 : Palin : A woman and a firecracker at that. Top choice for me

    3 : Cantor : The only Jewish republican in the house of Reps, would be great pick but risky.

    4 : Lieberman : Jewish and Bi partisan, hard for democrats to attack as he was VP for Dems

    5. Whitman : completely independent and outside the box.

    6 : Dark horse, someone like Mel Martinez, hispanic, could be a great pick, would certainly put places in play.

    7 : A Big Surprise like Olympia Snowe could put the entire north east in play.

  • pm317

    # Idunn Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Maybe it’s just me, but I think you can learn alot about a person by how well they play a game. (yes, I’m highly competetive, so what?) How well have they learned the mechanics of the game? How far ahead do they think in terms of strategy? How well do they read me and what I might do or not do in the game?

    Whether I win the game or not, I always leave the table impressed by someone who scores high on those points, in my mind.

    I’m feeling really good about John McCain as a leader right now.
    —————————–

    I will echo this sentiment. For all the adoration, Obama’s campaign has been full of gaffes hidden only by the media not reporting on them. McCain’s team so far has been superb (Hey, I don’t have a dog in this race anymore, what do I care praising McCain?)

  • OkieAtty

    I don’t hate Romney. I hate Rudy. A lot. I like Huckabee as a person, but hate his politics.

    Romney’s a lot more liberal than most of the other choices. Besides, Kay Bailey Hutchinson- what a fucking mess. That bitch is seriously as nutty and screwed up as you can be and still be elected. I wouldn’t want her anywhere near the football. Ah… hell no.

    Palin isn’t interested. I like Meg Whitman alright, but she’s got no diplomatic experience at all. We’ve seen how well CEO’s run the government, huh?

    I wish it would be Christie Todd Whitman. I love her.

  • Idunn

    2 : Palin : A woman and a firecracker at that. Top choice for me

    Me too. But Palin is under a state probe. Bullshit charges trumped up as political payback because she blew the whistle on state corruption. Nothing will come of the investigation, I’m pretty sure of that , but McCain might be scared off her due to it.

    Or maybe John will surprise me and take her anyway. 🙂

  • HillaryforTexas

    Funniest comment of the day, someone reacting to the news that Obama has a mock-up Air Force One there on the field, too.

    IS HE REALLY COMING out of a made up Air Force One?????
    Didn’t this guy have toys when he was little?

  • texan4hillary

    i will be shocked if romney doesnt get it

  • Idunn

    I like Huckabee as a person, but hate his politics.

    What I love about Huckabee is that his convictions are real, not just some political stamp. I’d never vote for him, but I really respect the guy. Can’t help it.

  • admin

    We still think Ridge would help the most (if the evangelicals get on board) because he would get Pennsylvania, but K.B. Hutchinson might be a powerful pick and would be a big news grabbing event. Pawlenty has some problems including his name. Maybe they can turn the name to a good use:

    “Good And Pawlenty”

    For President ad:

  • Idunn

    LMAO @ Admin!!!

  • HillaryforTexas

    LOL! Good and Pawlenty! Ha!

  • texan4hillary

    hutchinsn isnt it. she said on fox she did not get the call from mccain

  • moononpluto

    Yeah using a mock up of Air force one indeed, its like those guys that must drive fast cars, it always has to be big things for Obama, does he have small dick syndrome?

  • texan4hillary

    pawlenty cancels all appearances fro tommorrow. romney’s home gets sec sweep.

  • HillaryforTexas

    He is working out all his childhood issues by running for Preznet Shiznit.

  • turndownobama-com

    HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    ==============

    RIGHT. WHAT YOU SAID.

    Also, keeping our Dem credentials may help us in whatever voting process there is for ‘electing’ a new chairman to replace Dean and Brazile

  • texan4hillary

    ok romney didnt get sec sweep today-it was a rumor-

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/27749-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

  • birdgal

    Admin: ROFL!

    BTW, is that Air Force 1 mock-up for real?

  • Illinois Underground

    These ads and veep diversions really keep the buzz going and mess with :evil:’s head. It’s really making me laugh! Good job, Big John!

    My vote is still for one of the female candidates: Sarah, Olympia (new speculation here, very interesting), Meg, Christie or Kay Bailey. That would be the really hot move, IMHO. Then, if he signed on to Hillary’s bill in the Senate bill, well……

  • Illinois Underground

    August 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm turndownobama-com Says:

    “Also, keeping our Dem credentials may help us in whatever voting process there is for ‘electing’ a new chairman to replace Dean and Brazile”
    * * * * *
    Keep going.

  • ABM90

    Fox talking heads all excited about Bill making Hillary drop out and let him have the nomination.What a group of creeps the MSM has cloned for their ruthless drive for ratings and deciding who in the political races win or lose.Fox and the DNC brown nose
    group Dean,Pelosi,Brassyass Donna have done their evil work well.Hillary is out,Obama is about to be sainted and then slow roasted into either oblivion or even a slammer with his guardian angel Tony Rezko.Obama it starts tonight after your coronation
    while 75 thou.misguided pay for view suckers cheer,cry,chant the
    voodoo theme song ( OZORBA the GREEK ). I cannot believe that all these suckers paid to get screwed out of their surplus money
    after filling their gas tanks to get a ride to this grandiose sting operation.Barnum was wrong about suckers,they multiply by the second. The only redeeming results of BO’s scam is the fact that
    black and whites mix,laugh,talk,scream,sing,cry and kiss while they are being politicaly raped.Barack before Nov 4th you will be crying out “BUT I really DID have a DREAM PLEASE COMEBACK).
    The best part of this scenario is yet to occur.Just like the great
    words of Gen Doug McAurther” I SHALL RETURN” when our forces left CoregadorhHillary will be back sooner than expected.Three months to the Inauguration is plenty of time to find out all about
    BO’s misdeeds and his choice of bosom buddies and bankrollers.

    By ABM90 I will stay with you bloggers and will never abandon
    Hillary and Bill,as long as I can and when I can.

  • Illinois Underground

    Okie, I wish it would be Christie Todd Whitman, too. I’ve always liked her.

  • admin

    We have not mentioned it in a while but please don’t watch MSNBC or NBC for that matter – especially for convention coverage. As some of the comments reflect there is a war going on between Scarborough/Olberman/Mattheeeews and Maddow and the honchos and the staff. MSNBC is infighting and no doubt a lot of that is due to their bottom of the barrel ratings.

    Please don’t watch MSNBC and tell as many people as possible not to watch MSNBC either. Keet them at the bottom and at each others throats.

    Convention coverage ratings:

    CNN 5,383,000
    NBC 5,361,000
    ABC 3,483,000
    CBS 3,462,000
    FOXNEWS 2,699,000
    MSNBC 2,270,000

  • Illinois Underground

    ABM90, from your mouth to God’s ear.

    Such a scenario would very closely parallel the situation that propelled him into the senate, wouldn’t it? (BHO forcing unsealing of Ryan’s divorce records after primary is over, letting the IL Repubs scramble for their replacement.) Keep hope alive!

  • HillaryforTexas

    Olympia Snow would make me ECSTATIC, but ain’t never gonna happen

  • Illinois Underground

    OK, Admin. I’ve been surfing between FOX and CNN, that is unless I see Bradzilla’s mug on the screen. CNN has very cool technology for looking at the state-by-state scenarios, making the empty suits in BHO’s campaign justify their electoral strategy.

  • Illinois Underground

    H4T, why not?

  • turndownobama-com

    mariaconz Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    I’m wavering on voting for McCain. I don’t want him to pack the Supreme Court. The Clintons’ speeches are moving me to reconsider voting for McCain. I don’t want Hillary to be blamed for an Obama defeat, because then she’ll really be dead politically, like Ralph Nader.

    =====================

    Maria, welcome to h44! It sounds like you may be new to PUMA blogs, again welcome! It sounds like you’ve been hearing Obamabot talking points.

    First McCain CANNOT ‘pack the Supreme Court’. Any Conservative judges who wanted to retire would have done it under Bush Jr. Any Liberals who want to retire can hold out till 2012, when we’ll have Hillary in (or some other REAL Democrat.) If those Liberal judges wanted to retire soo adn wanted Obama, THEY WOULD TELL US SO THEMSELVES. — Also, we can’t trust Obama’s SC choices. He’s pandering to the anti-abortion people already, and he always favors money interests. Pelos’s crowd would have to support Obama choices however bad. — If McCain does get to make an appointment, Pelosi’s congress could oppose it. ALso Roe vs Wade cannot BE overturned at this stage of history: it’s been part of jurisprudence for nearly half a century, as one Bush appointee siad.

  • moononpluto

    Maybe we are all looking in the wrong places, it might be someone who is completely not been mentioned yet.

    Hiding out of view. Someone we never knew was considered.

    Who Brings What

  • admin

    Jon Stewart on the MSNBC hate turning inwards:

  • HillaryforTexas

    I’ve heard no mention of her as a possiblity, she’s pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and she’s no hawk, so it’s doubtful – it would piss off the Repub base too much, likely.

    I think she’s fab, tho.

  • basil9

    Interesting take on mccain’s new ad from puma.

    “…..They are obviously letting the DNC know that THEY KNOW the fix was in three years ago when they set the nomination acceptance for this “historic” night!!”

    Illinois, about whitman, she’s a liar, a thief and a hypocrite. She stole billions from the NJ state teachers pension fund and nearly bankrupted the system. After 911 she certified that NYC air was safe and caused
    hundreds if not thousands of people to develope respiratory disease. Firefighters, police and rescue workers were exposed to toxic fumes withut taking proper precuations because she certified that the air wasn’t contaminated. 👿

  • moononpluto

    Apparently the Obama campaign is furious at the John MCCain ad and that Bambi has apparently thrown an almighty strop that he may be upstaged.

    I’m told the Democrats, recognizing that their convention has been rather bland, are already agitated that the media has gone into “storm watch” mode on the eve of Obama’s speech and they are likewise exceedingly upset that so many reporters are covering the McCain veep pick today.

    One quote

    “We had a week of this shit last week on who Obama would pick. It’s our turn. Sucks for them it happens to be this week. The storm will distract from both,” one source tells me.

  • Illinois Underground

    H4T, male or female, I’ll be a little disappointed if it’s not really a “dark horse” candidate – I really want to see Maverick McCain on this one. He could win us beyond a protest vote with his selection.

  • Illinois Underground

    Thanks for the info, Basil9. Yikes!

  • moononpluto

    DENVER — Mindful of the pitfalls of hosting cocktail parties while Gulf Coast residents are being evacuated, John McCain’s campaign has said Thursday that Republicans could postpone their upcoming national convention in St. Paul if Tropical Storm Gustav makes landfall over the weekend.

    Good move.

  • Berkeley Vox

    MSNBC was on borrowed time, given all their ongoing “antics,” as Wolfson so perfectly described it. Good riddance!

  • turndownobama-com

    Maria,

    About Hillary beign blamed for Obama losing in November. By voting for McCain, all we’re doing is making that loss BIGGER. We want Obama to be the McGovern of 2008. McGovern lost 47 states iirc and that discredited him and his policies. If this happens to Obama, it will discredit his backers also: Dean, Pelosi, etc. Then it won’t matter if they are mad because they will have no power.

    They will blame Hillary anyway. But they can’t make her as unpopoular as Nader is. It is the public who blames Nader (rightly). Hillary’s own supporters will not blme her.

  • birdgal

    Is BO really going to be coming out of the mock Air Force One??

  • S

    moononpluto Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    Maybe they needed Richardson to be his fanboy, faning him and feeding him grapes, after all Richardson has been his waterboy extreme, this cycle.
    ****************************************

    Moononpluto…you are hysterically funny as usual…

    I seriously think you should develop this along with your Las Vegas bathhouse idea…with the madonna oiled body builders…

    and develop it into a SNL skit an submit it to them…

    funny stuff…

    all the traitors and sell outs…kissing his butt and tending to O’s every wish…like Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy

    it is only a matter of time before everyone starts mocking…

  • Illinois Underground

    @basil:
    “…..They are obviously letting the DNC know that THEY KNOW the fix was in three years ago when they set the nomination acceptance for this “historic” night!!”
    * * *
    Perceptive! And if McCain’s pick is stepping all over their coverage, too bad – they are the ones that pushed their convention way back. The ham-handed management of the entire process is disgraceful.

  • moononpluto

    and once again perfectly good reasons why Jimmy Carter should never be invited. Seriously did no one gag him from the Obama camp.

    Former president Jimmy Carter called Republican presidential candidate John McCain a “distinguished Naval officer,” but said the Arizona senator has been “milking every possible drop of advantage” from his time served as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-28-carter-denver_N.htm

  • Illinois Underground

    Did you all see BHO spokesperson Gibbs on the telly this morning showing one of the morning show hosts a picture (on his blackberry) of Geo W. Bush with a backdrop of greek columns at a past GOP convention? That was their attempt at damage control. Came off very lame.

  • Illinois Underground

    Moon, how are things on Pluto? How are you holding up?

  • birdgal

    moon: I think Carter may have a bit of dementia.

  • moononpluto

    fine, i’m ok now.

    Busy keeping an eye on the watchtower for us while you sleep.

    I hope one of those pillars falls over on top of the twerp.

  • S

    Brit Hume just had a funny line … with the football stadium setting…

    will Obama score big or drop the ball?

    i say overexposure will finally do this guy in…I am getting a headache from all he needs to satisfy his ego…planet earth is not big enough…

    as if we need four years of his spectacle after spectacle when there is such serious work and so many people hurting…

    this guy is shallow and frivoulous…all razzle dazzle distraction from the fact that there is no there there…

    he basically copied all of Bill Clinton’s 92 playbook…hope, change, etc on and on…he lifted it all and continues to do so

    watch for Bill/Hill’s line about ‘getting up every day in the WH and working for them’

    …and pivot to the ‘middle class’ emphasis

  • moononpluto

    a bit, you wouldnt let him loose at a party, he’s got a mouth like a train, just keeps on going until if flies off the track.

  • NewMexicoFan

    What an active day. It feels good to see the blog so active.

    This blog has saved many a person sanity. I know it has saved mine.

    Sometimes as I type I can just feel the release of anger that I feel.

  • Illinois Underground

    Agree….. 🙂 And, I also think that Carter may have some dementia. So, now HE’S calling us racist if we don’t support BHO? And, didn’t his military service significantly shape his beliefs and character…. oh, wait a minute.

  • Idunn

    but said the Arizona senator has been “milking every possible drop of advantage” from his time served as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

    Well, I’d say he’s earned that right, if ya ask me.

    Is it annoying? Yeah, alittle. So the hell what?

  • Idunn

    It isn’t like Caesar-Obama doesn’t haul out that fucking 2004 speech every chance he gets.

  • basil9

    “Senator Obama, how perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day.”

    LMAO! Yup. johnny nailed it.

    btw – is it true that the dnc decided on this date 3 years ago?

  • Idunn

    It feels good to see the blog so active.

    MNF, that reminds me…while you were off elsewhere, we took a vote. You’re out. You’re out of the group. Shut the door on the way out behind ya. Bye bye.

    😉

  • birdgal

    basil: yes, it is true.

  • basil9

    excellent point from nq:

    “How come Jesse Jackson got all his 465-some delegates recorded for history, but the convention records will show that Hillary only got 360-odd, less than 20% of the 1920 delegates she actually won — even after all the thefts, manipulations, intimidation, and gaming — in the primaries?”

  • alcina

    i just love the way McCain is messing with B-HO’s head tonight. i may be developing a bit of a crush on the ole geezer. 🙂

  • Illinois Underground

    Barack Obama, Aspiring Commissar
    By the Editors (National Review)

    h t t p : / / article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=&w=MA==

    “This episode could be an alarming preview of what life will be like for the media should the party of the Fairness Doctrine gain unified control of the federal government next year.”
    * * * *
    Welcome to the new world. :cue Star Trek episode of Apollo exhorting his children from the temple:

  • basil9

    birdgal,

    JEEZUS! Isn’t that all the proof we need that the fix was in??????????

  • Idunn

    Call me crazy, but I STILL think McCain is going to roll out Rob Portman.

    Don’t ask me why.

  • Idunn

    cue Star Trek episode of Apollo exhorting his children from the temple:

    Someone is stealing your ideas, Admin!! 😉

  • birdgal

    I think, it will be Pawlenty or Good and Plenty. Choo, Choo.

  • Illinois Underground

    Basil, Bird – THREE years ago? Sounds sinister, but, really, it’s not unusual for large organizations to schedule their conventions at least several years in advance.

    Basil, the realization last night of how history would record this mess makes me sick, too. Hillary is entitled to the delegates she won. But, history is written by the winners.

  • JanH

    All Hail Caesar Obama!

    NOT! NOT! NOT! NOT! NOT! NOT! NOT!

  • Illinois Underground

    Basil: no stealing, just referencing Admin’s excellent posting, of course!
    :LOL:

  • NewMexicoFan

    History is wiritten by the winners, until they become losers.

  • Illinois Underground

    Did I hear he’s riding in on a donkey?

  • Illinois Underground

    NMF: Hear, hear!!!!! “Keep going…..”

  • alcina

    Illinois Underground Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    Did I hear he’s riding in on a donkey?
    ———————————

    be nice, no MO jokes here.

  • birdgal

    The Three Wise Men: Dean, Kennedy, Kerry

    Alternates: Brazile, Pelosi, Daschle

  • admin

    Below are excerpts of Obama’s speech tonight. If you want to be surprised by the high level of slop don’t read any further.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/obama_we_are_a.html

    Senator Barack Obama will promise change — and spells out specifics such as tax cuts for the middle class — as he accepts the Democratic presidential nomination tonight.

    Obama also warns that Republican John McCain would mean four more years of President Bush’s flawed policies, declaring “America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.”.

    Here are excerpts of the speech, titled “The American Promise,” just released by Obama’s campaign:

    “Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story – of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren’t well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to.

    “It is that promise that has always set this country apart – that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

    “It is why I stand here tonight. Because for two hundred and thirty two years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women – students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors — found the courage to keep it alive.

    “We meet at one of those defining moments – a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more.

    “Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can’t afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach

    “These challenges are not all of government’s making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed presidency of George W. Bush.

    “America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.”

    ***

    “This moment – this election – is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look just like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

    “Now let there be no doubt. The Republican nominee, John McCain, has worn the uniform of our country with bravery and distinction, and for that we owe him our gratitude and respect. And next week, we’ll also hear about those occasions when he’s broken with his party as evidence that he can deliver the change that we need.

    “But the record’s clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than ninety percent of the time? I don’t know about you, but I’m not ready to take a ten percent chance on change.”

    ***
    “You see, we Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country.

    “We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put away a little extra money at the end of each month so that you can someday watch your child receive her diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President – when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.

    “We measure the strength of our economy not by the number of billionaires we have or the profits of the Fortune 500, but by whether someone with a good idea can take a risk and start a business, or whether the waitress who lives on tips can take a day off to look after a sick kid without losing her job – an economy that honors the dignity of work.

    “The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great – a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight.”

    ***

    “That’s the promise we need to keep. That’s the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am President.
    .
    “Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

    “Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship our jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

    “I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

    “I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

    “And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

    “Washington has been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he’s said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

    “Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

    “As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I’ll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I’ll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I’ll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy – wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can’t ever be outsourced.”

    ***

    “We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don’t tell me that Democrats won’t defend this country. Don’t tell me that Democrats won’t keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans — Democrats and Republicans – have built, and we are to restore that legacy.

    “As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm’s way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

    “I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing so that America is once more the last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.”

  • Berkeley Vox

    Is Obama really going to say, “…their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to”? This is lame for two reasons — it’s cliched, and it’s arrogant.

    And the line, “I will cut taxes for 95% of all working families” raises more doubts than it answers.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Jesus, what a snorefest that BEST SPEECH EVAH! (as I’m sure it will be called) is. He cribbed a few of Hill’s best lines, and tacked them onto his usual soaring pap.

    Bleh.

  • alcina

    admin….sos

  • JanH

    “be nice, no MO jokes here.”

    OMG! Too funny! 🙂

  • JanH

    May the monitor god in the sky zap out and poor bobo will have to speak all by his wittle little self without any props whatsoever!

    Amen! 🙂

  • texan4hillary

    note-obama mention party of roosevelt. kennedy and not clinton.

  • texan4hillary

    i keep thinking now its not romney or pawlnety. if he wnts to steal obama’s thunder wouldnt he go for something alittle peppier?

  • admin

    We once wrote that the Obama campaign was like a sitcom on TV in that it was going after the same demographics as TV shows. Now Obama is using as a slogan the name of a sitcom “Eight Is Enough”.

    http://www.the70sproject.com/tv/tvshow.php?tvshow=Eight-Is-Enough

  • basil9

    illinois,

    jackson wasn’t a winner. did you read wbboei’s post upthread about what went down with the floor vote?
    He said pooplosis called for one when it appeared the hotel room ballots weren’t adding up correctly and that it was a last minute thing . . . . .

  • Lorey

    What a superb article! You’re on the spot. Rest in peace if you can DNC, Pelosi, Donna and Coward Dean and all of you blind and foolish traitors.

    And by the way Obama is no Martin Luther King….

    No way
    No how
    No Obama!

    We are awake and ready to fight. Hillary will rise with God’s help and we shall see it happen.

  • alcina

    t4h

    the dis continues. it’s as if the clinton years never happened.

  • JanH

    t4h

    And they still think Hillary needs to unify the party for him?

    The guy is such a poor loser!

  • Idunn

    On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

    OMG, I’m ROTFLMFFAO!!!!!!

  • Idunn

    And then Obama went on to say, “What we need in America is a country of green collar jobs, a Green Acres, if you will.”

  • birdgal

    cutting taxes for 95% of the people? That must be a typo.

  • Illinois Underground

    @basil9: But Jackson also had no possibility of becoming the winner. And, yes, I did read that. Believe me, I’m not trying to minimize the DNC’s out-and-out thuggery. I’m hoping for a play by play account of what really happened in the rooms, etc. Will anyone come forward? Like Terry McAuliffe himself?
    * * * * *
    Admin: this eight months of campaigning seems like eight years. Enough.

  • alcina

    should we place bets to see how many close-ups of oprahs face with tears streaming we’ll see tonight?

  • admin

    On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Joani Loves Chachi.”

  • Illinois Underground

    ….and Betty Buckley will dance out onto the stage singing, “eight is enough to fill our hearts with lo-ove!” That will win us over!

  • Illinois Underground

    Re speech: TOTALLY “change you can Xerox.” I thought the line was hammy at the time. Now I get it. “Keep the change.”

  • Idunn

    ” Guys, gas prices are soaring…food prices are soaring….people are suffering. We must face The Facts Of Life.”

  • basil9

    from wbboei.The Peal Harbor I referred to per delegate I spoke to was there was Hillary was actually ahead in the hotel room polls that was when McAluiffe said continue to fight and when Pelosi saw this was happening she immediately called for a floor vote with media present and no Hillary delegates in the room. Obamaites some delegates others not walking up and down the halls pounding on doors. Some Hillary delegates were crying and refused of leave rooms. More I cant go into. When they saw they were losing they called for a floor vote and got their own people in there first–same stategy as caucus–typical Soros ACORN camp Obama operation welcome to the future–a new kind of politics.

    ?

  • HillaryforTexas

    LOL admin!

    On Nov 4th, we must stand up and say: What’s Happening

  • alcina

    right. and at the end of his speech, he’lll whip off his beret and throw it into the air.
    ( ok, enuf sitcom humour )

  • JanH

    Or we could all say: “It Takes a Thief!”

  • Illinois Underground

    @basil – It’s disturbing on so many levels. I hope wbboei will be able to elaborate soon. I hope someone plans to make this very public.

  • Illinois Underground

    Today’s theme song –

    Suicide is Painless (Mash Theme Song)
    (Mike Altman and Johnny Mandel)

    Through early morning fog I see
    Visions of the things to be,
    The pains that are withheld for me,
    I realize and I can see…

    That suicide is painless,
    It brings on many changes
    And I can take or leave it if I please.

    The game of life is hard to play,
    I’m going to loose it anyway,
    The loosin’ card I’ll someday lay;
    So this is all I have to say…

    That suicide is painless,
    It brings on many changes
    And I can take or leave it if I please.

    The only way to win is cheat
    And lay it down before I’m beat
    And to another give my seat
    For that’s the only painless feat.

    That suicide is painless,
    It brings on many changes
    And I can take or leave it if I please.
    And you can do the same thing if you please.

    Copyright (C) 1970 by Twentieth Century-Fox Music Corporation

    And for your viewing pleasure the accompanying film (sorry Moon):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAf32BhYQDg

  • Berkeley Vox

    His speech is so cheezy. One for the history books, it ain’t. Seems to me like he’s consciously trying to avoid the lofty rhetoric that his critics ridicule him for, even though that’s probably his best attribute (which ain’t saying much!).

    The “eight is enough” line is flat-out embarrassing, lol

  • Illinois Underground

    Sorry, here’s the real one 🙂
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akfIaeFDfX4

  • texan4hillary

    many think its pawlenty-he has cancelled events tommorrow. i read about him as guv. yikes. good lord. i think many voters esp women wont be happy to what eh did in mn.

  • Paula

    LMAO. McCain campaign issues a dress code for BO’s speech.

    johnmccain.com/images/mccainreport/8.27.08%20Memo.pdf

  • moononpluto

    texan what did pawlenty do.

  • Paula

    moon, What’s the source of your 6:32 post?

  • birdgal

    Paula: That is damn funny.

  • HillaryforTexas

    McCain staff is smart. We have been noticing for a LONG time that the Precious loses his shit when he is mocked. Hillary couldn’t do it because the party would crucify her, but McCain will.

    Bambi is petulant and thin-skinned. McCain can get inside his head.

  • Paula

    HFT, You hit the nail on the head.

  • moononpluto

    Nothing like a good mindfuck, i do it all the time on bots.

    Its easy, its like throwing a bull on the front of a mini metro.

    The personality of bots must be the same as bambi’s thinskinned, weak and childish.

  • texan4hillary

    see here
    http:/ /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawlenty

  • birdgal

    H4T: People who are arrogant and narcissistic are very thin skinned, and mocking them, is the worst thing to do to them. They have no sense of humor. McCain’s team has BO pegged, and knows how to get into his head, and how to put him on the defensive. The Republicans are smarter, at this point in time.

  • NewMexicoFan

    1. O is upset because the hurricane (Gustav) is interferring with his coronation (I guess we are suppose to give him the priority, sounds like Bush and his fund raising before Katrina).

    2. McCain has already said that they might postpone the convention if the hurricane comes in and blast like they think it might. (Evidently his is not a coronation).

    Two different reactions. WHICH ONE SOUNDS LIKE LEADERSHIP.

  • HillaryforTexas

    NMF, it is always all about himself. Always.

  • NewMexicoFan

    Also, guess where the price of gas and oil are going from this hurricane, up by 8+ dollars. Economy will come into play quickly.

  • moononpluto

    Pawlenty sounds nothing like unconventional at all.

  • texan4hillary

    pawltney is a budget cutter. doesnt seem like much fo a gov at all. is this the best mccain could do? good grief.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I don’t think it’s Pawlenty. Could be wrong.

  • moononpluto

    Oh jesus, is McCain going to pull surprises.

    Huckabee now on his way with “others” to Dayton.

  • birdgal

    McCain is pulling an “Obama.”

  • texan4hillary

    politico reports gop congressmen told expect a traditional pick.

  • birdgal

    Are Carly or Meg on their way to Ohio?

  • birdgal

    traditional=Pawlenty?

  • texan4hillary

    gop members told expect wither pawlenty orromney. do not expect a woman.

  • birdgal

    Why can’t these guys get outside the box?

  • moononpluto

    You know what it looks like mcCain has summoned them all to Dayton.

    Maybe he’s not going to tell them until they are on stage.

  • Paula

    I agree, birdgal. Oh well …

    What’s the appeal of Pawlenty, I wonder?

  • NewMexicoFan

    I really kind of like that. All of them to support the others, and confuse us to Hell.

  • Idunn

    LMAO!!! I just told Hubby that McCain might pick Huckabee. His response…”Fuck!” Why? Because he hates McCain but he digs Huckabee because he thinks he’s a strong consitutionalist.

    I asked hubby, “Well, if McCain did pick him would you vote for McCain?”

    Hubby put his head in his hands and all but wailed, “I. Don’t . Knowwwwwwww.”

  • Idunn

    gop members told expect wither pawlenty orromney. do not expect a woman.

    Why? Because it’s a woman? 😉

  • Paula

    I think McCain decided he didn’t need an unconventional pick because the race is close. If he were trailing by double digits he probably would’ve taken that route. I’m still bummed though.

  • alcina

    sounds like a damn miss-vp pageant line-up in ohio..and the runner-up is….

  • Idunn

    I think he’s just fucking with everyone. I think it actually will be a bold choice.

  • NewMexicoFan

    He and Gustav are really stealling some of Os thunder tonight. I guess Gustav is HRCs fault.

  • alcina

    ridge, powell, palin. any of those would be amazing!!

  • basil9

    Is this true!!!!!!

    Ca is a winner take all state and HRC should have gotten all 441 votes but pelosi made them pass so it wouldn’t show hrc ahead.

  • birdgal

    Pawlenty is attack dog today.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/pawlenty_piles.html

    Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, taking his turn in Denver today to bash Democratic nominee Barack Obama, hammered home the Republican message that the staging of Obama’s acceptance speech reveals his arrogance and vanity.

    The backdrop for the stage at Invesco Field features faux-Greek columns made of plywood. Republicans are dubbing it the “Temple of Obama,” and Pawlenty, believed to be among the finalists for Republican John McCain’s running mate, piled on.

    “It looks like they are getting ready for the emperor to arrive,” Pawlenty said on Fox News Network. “The facade is metaphor for production purposes, but there’s not much behind it. It’s the perfect metaphor for Barack Obama’s readiness to be president of the United States.”

    On ABC, Pawlenty said, “This Roman-like facade, a facade with Roman columns, is a perfect metaphor or icon for the point that it’s an interesting production, but behind it there’s not much there.”

    He added, “My goodness, it’s amazing that we’re three days into the Democratic convention and 60 or so days from the actual election and they’re still trying to plead with the American people and convince us that Barack Obama is ready to be president. The fact of the matter, he is not.”

  • birdgal

    basil: CA is proportional for the primary. The Republican primary is winner take all.

  • birdgal

    And no, she would not have received all the votes, but she would have received a good chunk of them.

  • JanH

    Actually, I’m really hoping McCain doesn’t pick a woman for his vp. For me it shows a lot of respect to Hillary this way.

  • bluegirl

    I’m going to try one more time to see if this gets posted.

    First of all, I want to say how totally discusted I am with the Dems. I’ve been one all my life and so has all my family members.

    My husband and I are voting for McCain. At first we were going to stay home, but I got to thinking that would only put Obama closer to winning, so I decided to vote for McCain. I had to talk my hubby into it, but now he has come around to my way of thinking, lol.

    I have been reading this wonderful blog for a few months now and I am so glad I have this place to come to and read things from others that feel exactly the same as I do, even if this doesn’t get posted.

    GO McCAIN!!!

  • NewMexicoFan

    JanH

    I agree with you.

  • Idunn

    Interesting article:

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5676191&page=1gop members told expect wither pawlenty orromney. do not expect a woman.

  • NewMexicoFan

    I still think he will show his respect with a number of women in his cabinet.

  • NewMexicoFan

    So, if it was Powell, how would that affect the AA vote???

  • JanH

    His cabinet yes. I totally agree with that.

  • Lorey

    INVESCO columns announces the Temple of DOOM in November!

  • HillaryforTexas

    FOX saying it’s Pawlenty? Anyone hear?

  • JanH

    If I could have had just one wish granted for this convention, I would have wanted an honest roll call, with no pressure and no interference to vote a certain way, with rules for each state abided by, with no corrupt replacement delegates, and with a lot more respect for Hillary from Obama and his wife.

  • Idunn

    Crap…for some reason I can’t link that without the words being stuck on the end.

    Maybe I need to reboot my computer. LOL.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Sounds like Pawlenty can throw a punch. “Big production, nice facade, nothing behind it.” LOL!

  • JanH

    If it was Powell, and oh how I wish it would be, it would give AA’s the option of voting for a team that is high on experience and low on arrogance as opposed to feeling they have to vote for the poster boy instead.

  • Idunn

    So what time is the Burning Of Rome scheduled? EST time.

  • confloyd

    I guess you have to be an insider to get to speak at the Roman theater.

    So far Hillary is the only one that gave a flawless speech, everyone else fumbled something in their speeches. Losers all of them! 🙁

  • confloyd

    Boring Al is putting me to sleep!

  • pm317

    For getting the tkts to invesco debacle, they had to volunteer. Do you know what happened to that? did they drop it?

  • JanH

    Maybe they’ll bronze the whole place after he leaves as a memorial to his greatness!!! 😉

  • HillaryforTexas

    Al’s a good man, bless him, but the man can’t give a speech.

  • Idunn

    WTF, does Obama make everyone wear uniforms or something? Obama, Bill, Joe, Al…same tie.

  • shenanigans

    Al Gore: “The best marketers have the worst products.”

    Was he talking about David Axelrod? 🙂

  • JanH

    I never ever thought I would say this but…

    Republicans…Take Him Down!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • confloyd

    H4T, He had his hand in slapping the Clintons down, Donna Brazille was only doing what her former boss wanted her to do! I have NO use for Gore or anyone else who had their hand in knocking Hillary out of the spot she earned. She worked her heart out for it and deserved it more that His Majesty.

  • Idunn

    Oh brother…is Bambi MLK, JFK , RFK or friggin Lincoln? make up your minds, people.

  • confloyd

    Obama insists on uniforms, just like Hitler did!

  • Paula

    theonion.com/content/news/obama_modifies_yes_we_can_message

  • JanH

    Another reason I don’t think McCain will pick a woman is because there would be the inevitable comparisons to Hillary Clinton. And I don’t see anyone matching those standards.jmo

  • admin

    Caligula Declares Himself a God

  • moononpluto

    This is what they are saying about Pawlenty.

    As Governor, he has balanced Minnesota’s budget three times without raising taxes, despite facing record budget deficits. Governor Pawlenty’s most notable accomplishments include proposing and signing into law significant new benefits for veterans and members of the military; enacting a property tax cap, eliminating the marriage penalty and cutting taxes; toughening the state’s education standards; reforming the way teachers are paid through a nation-leading performance pay plan; instituting free-market health care reforms that increase accountability and provide tax credits to encourage the use of health savings accounts; and implementing a plan to Americanize our energy sources by generating 25% of the state’s electricity from renewable sources by 2025.

  • confloyd

    Susan Eisenhouer??? THis was a combine coup!

  • wbboei

    Admin:

    They are not Democrats. i.e. demo=of the people

    They are Abomacrats i.e. OF Obama, BY Obama and For Obama

    That is all the party is now

  • wbboei

    Sounds like Pawlenty can throw a punch. “Big production, nice facade, nothing behind it.” LOL!
    ———————————————-
    Paula: Shakespeare works here too:

    A tale told by an idiot
    Full of sound and fury
    And signifying nothing

  • confloyd

    What is with one of these generals that doesn’t have a tie on. A non-conformists in the bunch.

  • HillaryforTexas

    LOL admin!

    “I shall wait for the unanimous decison of the Senate, Claudius Nancy.”

  • moononpluto

    Is it just me or are the commentators thinking this stage is just complete tack and “gaudiness” is the phrase Brokaw used.

  • confloyd

    Did everyone see Wes Clark on stage?? I thought he was disinvited!

  • justmeinmountdorafl

    moononpluto? really? I can’t watch it at all!

  • HillaryforTexas

    I think they crawled and asked Wes back, because they got some shit for it, bigtime, from Dem Vet groups.

  • moononpluto

    Brokaw is going hell for leather apparently.

    Chuck Todd was going on about how wonderful Obama is to have the know how to choose such a great arena and bring in all the wonderful celebrities.

    Brokaw responded that he has seen this all before during Gore and Kerry running, they had huge crowds and celebrities also and see where that got them.

  • wbboei

    ?
    ————————————————
    Yes Basil. May I be of service?

  • moononpluto

    The podium looks like a painted plastic orange crate. Bloody awful.

  • moononpluto

    Biden turned up, i think he’s drunk again. Jesus the guy wants to take over, told you he fighting for tv face.

  • carbynew

    Worst: CNN’s handling of the news that John McCain had picked a running mate. Announcement coming … soon.

    A quick blurb telling the world that Republican presidential hopeful John McCain had picked a running mate would have sufficed.

    Yet with anchors yammering on and on, milking the fact-free announcement, it became very clear why McCain’s camp had “leaked” the news, which simply said more news would be coming soon. CNN’s coverage played right into the hands of whoever tipped the media off to the story in the first place. As of Wednesday evening, there was still no further news to report.
    (Gerald Herbert / Associated Press)

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/photos/lat-mccain_k6btbjnc20080828153433,0,1189857.photo
    *****************************************************
    Love McCain style…go McCain.

  • alcina

    have to hit the road. up to maine for the long weekend. perhaps i can catch caligula’s speech on the radio. i swear if i hear him say “eight is enough” i will drive off the road.

    have fun, folks and let’s keep our fingers crossed McCain doesn’t pick a dud like biden.

  • pm317

    # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I think they crawled and asked Wes back, because they got some shit for it, bigtime, from Dem Vet groups.
    ——————

    NQ’s Ani (I think) did a post earlier about getting a letter yesterday from him about going to Denver.

  • wbboei

    On ABC, Pawlenty said, “This Roman-like facade, a facade with Roman columns, is a perfect metaphor or icon for the point that it’s an interesting production, but behind it there’s not much there.”

    He added, “My goodness, it’s amazing that we’re three days into the Democratic convention and 60 or so days from the actual election and they’re still trying to plead with the American people and convince us that Barack Obama is ready to be president. The fact of the matter, he is not.”
    ———————————————-
    I agree the temple and obama are alike in the sense that both are a showy facade with nothing of substance behind it.

    Send him to Mars.

  • carbynew

    Worst: Former RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen’s on-air snafu

    Here’s what HuffingtonPost.com’s political director told CNN audiences Tuesday about Hillary Clinton’s speech: “This was a message from Hillary Clinton that basically said, ‘I am not your therapist. I am a Democrat. No matter what you are doing, you need to get it together and vote for John McCain if you care about energy and middle-class tax cuts and jobs and healthcare and getting out of the war in Iraq. I think that message was so clear.” Anderson Cooper didn’t even catch it. During the DNC.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/photos/lat-dnc_bw_rosenfyc13ike20080828135902,0,4583862.photo

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/photos/lat-dnc_bw_rosenfyc13ike20080828135902,0,4583862.photo

  • Illinois Underground

    Hi, guys, I’m back. Poor Lanny is toting the line on Fox right now.

  • wbboei

    Chuck Todd was going on about how wonderful Obama is to have the know how to choose such a great arena and bring in all the wonderful celebrities.

    Brokaw responded that he has seen this all before during Gore and Kerry running, they had huge crowds and celebrities also and see where that got them
    ——————————————–
    Moon: love that WWF smackdown of “Ratboy” by Brokaw.

  • moononpluto

    I dont know what to think

    Micheal Steel has just said that Palin is the pick on fox live streaming.

  • turndownobama-com

    h t t p : / / http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/08/28/2008-08-28_what_hillary_clintons_women_want.html
    Comment box at the bottom of this page.

    What Hillary Clinton’s women want

    BY GERALDINE FERRARO

    [ Says there are 3 groups of Hillary supporters; needs a little
    correction on PUMAS ]

    ……..
    The first are the PUMAs – which, as everyone now knows, stands for
    “Party Unity My A–.” For them – and over the last two weeks I have
    received hundreds of letters from women who consider themselves PUMAs
    – nothing Hillary could say or do would move them. They are livid at
    the sexist way that Hillary was treated by the media, and even angrier
    at the Obama people, the Democratic National Committee and Howard Dean
    as chairman, for not speaking up against it.
    They believe that sexism is larger than this presidential race, that
    it seeps into the fiber of our country and must be stopped. They are
    convinced that if the media had been racist against Obama, Howard Dean
    would have been shouting from the hilltops – and so would have
    Hillary. They feel the party accepted a double standard, and many have
    indicated that they will either vote for McCain, write in Hillary’s
    name or just not vote for President.

  • HillaryforTexas

    LMAO! Methinks Lanny may be sneaky. He just said Obama picked Biden like Bush picked Cheney!

  • HillaryforTexas

    moon, saying IS the pick, or that is what Steele THINKS?

    Please specify whether opinion or comfirmed.

  • texan4hillary

    what? fox saus palinnow?

  • wbboei

    Carby: when I read the Huffington statement my reaction was it was intentional because they are so far over the line. Did they issue a retraction?

  • moononpluto

    its hard to distinguish really, just writing i got, but i heard intimations earlier that it is “definitely” a woman.

  • wbboei

    Micheal Steel has just said that Palin is the pick on fox live streaming
    ———————————————
    interesting

  • confloyd

    The fraud will come out to the song “Born in the USA”, what a freaking joke this is!!

  • moononpluto

    Born in the USA (subject to confirmation)

  • carbynew

    GOP platform backs off pet issues to help McCain
    Staff and agencies
    28 August, 2008

    By MARTIGA LOHN, Associated Press Writer Wed Aug 27, 10:11 PM ET

    MINNEAPOLIS – Republicans are putting John McCain‘s campaign priorities above some of their pet issues, including drilling for oil in Alaska‘s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and denying citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants.

    That came after they voted to stick with an energy plank that doesn‘t mention drilling in the refuge, saying it would only highlight an area where they differ with the Arizona senator. McCain opposes drilling in that protected land, and some committee members said they would rather bring him around on the issue once he‘s in the White House than widen their disagreement now.

    Delegates endorsed expanded drilling generally, both offshore and in Alaska, North Dakota and Montana, and declared that the Alaskan refuge should not be put off limits to the oil industry permanently.

    The panel turned back a move to deny citizenship to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. Opponents raised constitutional concerns and said the proposal would complicate life for McCain, who has sponsored legislation giving illegal immigrants a path toward legal status but now prioritizes border security.

    On immigration, Barbour said the platform is the toughest ever put forward. It calls for a border fence and English as the official language, and opposes amnesty, driver‘s licenses, in-state tuition rates, Social Security and other government benefits for illegal immigrants. GOP delegates also aim to block federal funds to cities that bar police from working with immigration authorities under so-called sanctuary ordinances.

    The platform acknowledges a human role in increased carbon emissions — although a sentence linking those emissions to “a warming effect on the earth” was yanked. The GOP is calling for climate change policies that are “global in nature, based on sound science and technology” and don‘t hurt the economy. The document also decries “no-growth radicalism” and says solutions should not “force Americans to sacrifice their way of life or trim their hopes and dreams for their children.”

    Before the final vote, delegates waded deep into a debate over embryonic stem cells — another area where many differ with McCain, who supports relaxing federal restrictions on the funding of such research. They voted to ban human cloning and “the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”

    http://www.newsone.ca/westfallweeklynews/stories1/index.php?action=fullnews&id=28604
    *****************************************************
    I have to give it to the Republicans…they are moving toward McCain.

    I think it is important for us to help move the Republican toward the center by voting for McCain.

    Remember, Martin Luther King was a Republican…he never was a Democrat so don’t get confuse and place all this good will on the Democratic? Taliban Party.

    It was the Democrats that THREW Women under the bus and have done years of harms to the movement. Don’t beg for your rights…the Democratic? Taliban Party has pushed out the majority group…Remember 25% of Clinton Voters are more then 11% of AAs.

    Numbers don’t lie, hold firm to your convictions and do the right thing…don’t REWARD the Democratic? Taliban Party. You will get nothing in return….from the bunch of Mysoginistic Sexests.

  • confloyd

    moononpluto, your right, to be determined at a later date!! LOL!!

  • moononpluto

    Has the Nuremberg rally kicked off yet.

  • confloyd

    Now its Power to the People, right after Born in the USA, sure the power is Soros and the birth is suspect!!

  • moononpluto

    You know something, I was wondering why they backed off Alaska yesterday.

    Could be if it is Palin, makes sense as not to put her the middle of an argument as Alaskan Gov.

  • texan4hillary

    its been on. i wtched some. its sick. middle americans wont like this one bit. its a freakin pop star concert. hell msm has read half the dmaned speech . nothing new in it. sick

  • confloyd

    IS it Sarah Palin???

  • moononpluto

    Sing this to Queen’s We Will Rock You.

    Obama you’re a young man, naive man
    Organizin’ in the street sell out the world some day
    Ayers’ murders you must face
    You big disgrace
    Wavin’ empty slogans all over the place

    Singin’ He will he will tax you
    He will he will tax you

  • Illinois Underground

    Moon @9:43, really? 🙂 Must be Palin or Meg. (Sorry, still hoping for Meg.)

    Reporter on Fox: “No one is criticizing him for being black, they’re criticizing him for being GREEN.”

  • confloyd

    This is not the convention for grown-ups, its the convention for the kids, those and the AA’s are the only ones that is going to vote for him!!

  • pm317

    # Illinois Underground Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Hi, guys, I’m back. Poor Lanny is toting the line on Fox right now.
    ———————–

    Poor Lanny, indeed. Obama gave him nothing for his bootlicking.

  • wbboei

    Illinois Underground Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    Did I hear he’s riding in on a donkey?
    ———————————

    be nice, no MO jokes here
    ———————

    the answer depends on whether a donkey is the same thing as a jack ass. Maybe ratboy would know. After all he is the judge of small matters.

  • moononpluto

    The speech by Obama is shaping up to be the Cleopatra of the political world, cost shitloads of money, over the top and became the biggest turkey of all time.

  • virago47

    Pawlenty balanced the MN budget by shifting responsibilities to county and local governments as well as instituting user fees. The average Minnesotan did not realize a tax cut. He also had his Lt. Gov. double as the Director of Transportation because they thought that was an expendable position. The Lt. Gov. thought you could cut professionals out of the dept – until the bridge fell down.

  • moononpluto

    did you say Riding in on a donkey or riding a donkey.

    I wouldnt be surprised arab blood and all. In the middle eastern world and i live there, no animal is safe.

  • moononpluto

    The bridge fell down because it traced back to a design fault when it was buily in the 60’s hardly his fault.

  • shenanigans

    You know, I’m watching this thing. And all I keep thinking, as a Democrat…is what a showy spectacle. All the while they are talking about how poor they are, no healthcare, lost my job…it’s fucking sick.

  • texan4hillary

    steele said he thinks its i either pawlnety or palin. he said he is pushing palin etc.. also mccain just said no vp announcement till tommorrow noon out of respect for obama’s night.

  • moononpluto

    David Gregory says this convention has been about Obama trying to “connect with average Americans”, but tonight’s spectacle “really doesn’t enforce that.”

    LOL–That’s an understatement.

  • confloyd

    Dickless Durbin is on now, another to give BO a BJ. Sickening!

  • wbboei

    I’m sure the people of Arkansas are probably spitting tacks and furious. I would be.
    ——————————————–
    I would be inclined to have a welcoming committee for them when they got arrived back with bricbats tomatoes and promises to vote them out of office. I would ask those high faleutin greeks why they ate their own children and publish their response in the newpaper.

  • Illinois Underground

    Bridges usually are federally funded at least in part. Bush (and dem congress) cuts in infrastructure funding is a travesty.

    My other Senator introduced Stinky’s video now. I used to really like him.

    Moon, take your pick on the “donkey question.” Do you get the convention on your television?

  • moononpluto

    Obama has had so much head from the Dem leaders he’s got a revolving door in and a mat placed at the altar for worship.

    Look for central hair partings for evidence.

  • HillaryforTexas

    LMAO. This video is great! Obamamessiah – the temple

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ted9Hzn8foY

  • moononpluto

    Durbin’s started a YES WE CAN chant.

    I’m suddenly reminded of the videos of the Nazi marches that we watched in 7th grade World Civ class…

    The Nuremberg rally is off, honestly its like some communist Red Square parade.

    Seriously this is going to put a lot of people off, they dont like this bullshit.

  • Illinois Underground

    “defined by his search for self.” I should say so.

  • texan4hillary

    text of speech out-oy
    http:/ /thepage.time.com/prepared-remarks-of-obamas-nomination-acceptance-speech/

  • moononpluto

    My God this is beyond belief. He is being celebrated like Jesus Christ. Incredible and scary!

  • HillaryforTexas

    Middle America is not going to like this. It is going to creep a lot of them out. We like our presidents humble.

  • texan4hillary

    i cant watch this. as a jew it reminds me of the nuremberg rally footage. good lord

  • Illinois Underground

    T4H – yes, it is very creepy like that. I wonder if middle America felt the same way about JFK at the time?

  • pm317

    I can’t watch it, left the room. Hubby is curious.

  • moononpluto

    Yup H4T its seriously over the top, weird and downright frightening, seriously i’ve seen many despots act like this and he has all the hallmarks of a dictator and we thought Bush was bad.

    This will serious freak out Middle America.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Even the ones who weren’t (like Reagan, Bush) managed to make the public think they were humble.

    This idiot doesn’t even TRY. He basks in it. He is snorting up adulation like a cokehead.

  • moononpluto

    He came on early.

    Was that premature Baraculation.

  • Illinois Underground

    Moon, you’re on a roll tonight!

  • moononpluto

    If the Obamassiah wants to impress me, before he leaves, I want to see him do his famous “Feed the WHOLE place with just two loaves of bread and couple of fish” on LIVE TV.

  • AmericanGal

    This looks absolutely dopey IMO

  • Paula

    I’m just catching up on anglachlel’s posts and I found this gem in a piece on Hillary’s speeach:

    Evidently Chris Matthews said that there was no evidence of defeat in this speech. Why would there be? It is entirely a media narrative, helped along mightily by the pool boys of the fauxgressive blogosphere, that they were “finally rid of the Clintons.” They wanted suffering, shame, penance, begging for forgiveness and Hillary just handed them a steaming super-sized mug of shut the fuck up.

  • texan4hillary

    he gave a nod to hillary etc… big woop. now he starts the lies.

  • moononpluto

    Hillary and Bill got a longer ovation when they came out on stage.

    Up Yours twatface.

  • Illinois Underground

    “A steaming super-sized mug” LOL

  • Southern Born

    I’m watching BO and all of a sudden the Direct TV in our area goes dead. HUM!

  • moononpluto

    Anyone else think this just looks so dumb.

  • pm317

    Tonight’s spectacle delivered for the Democratic Haves and Have mores.

  • Illinois Underground

    Just finished reading the script – most of it is adapted from Hillary’s stump speech. That IS change you can Xerox!

  • Emjay

    He who shall not be named is walking out.

    What a travesty.

    BTW, did they tone down the Roman-Greko Temple? There seem to be a few columns missing.

  • moononpluto

    The husband is sitting here laughing his head off at this, he thinks is a pile of hilarious steaming shit.

  • Illinois Underground

    Here it comes…..

  • Illinois Underground

    Oh, my god! They’re CHANTING “eight is enough.” Ewwwwwww.

  • confloyd

    So far this speech is non thrilling, I wonder how Mathews leg is doing??

  • pm317

    OK, my husband went back to US Open after only a few seconds of watching the debacle.

  • HillaryforTexas

    This fucker has NO IDEA who he is. That, to me, is the scariest thing about him. Even ratfucker Cheney knows who he is – the devil.

    But you don;t give that kind of power to someone who is that blank inside. It’s worse than bad.

  • moononpluto

    MY goodness…………… it is so angry this speech!

  • Illinois Underground

    By the way, this 90% thing is just politics, but they were saying that Barack votes with Bush pretty close to that rate, too. Most bills and resolutions are passed unanimously.

  • Southern Born

    Whew! TV back on. HA!

    Now you see it, now you don’t, now you see it….a flag pin tonight.

    ME-chelle has grown L-O-N-G eyelashes tonight.

  • moononpluto

    With this speech he is basically saying “America Sucks”

  • Illinois Underground

    Angry is not a good color for him.

  • HillaryforTexas

    What’s next? Good Times? Joanie Loves Chachi? What’s Happening?

  • meiyingsu

    confloyd,

    it is said in PUMAS that Chris Mathewa passed out.

  • AmericanGal

    The crowd overwhelms Obama. It distracts from what he is saying. He has to practically scream his speech because of the noise. He doesn’t look like he is talking to the American people. He just looks like he’s holding a pep rally for his “fans”.

    If I were McCain I would give an direct town meeting type talk with the American people instead of a formal speech. Contrast with this ridiculous pep fest by Obama…

  • texan4hillary

    says mccain is out of touch. says mccain will privatize ss-oh but obama has expressed interest in this.

  • moononpluto

    This is coming across as Mein Fuhrer barking orders to the troops.

    Angry and bitter.

  • Illinois Underground

    “…..Years of being passed over for promotion because she was a woman”–??? Is he for real?

  • confloyd

    Grandma just got pulled out from under the bus and spruced up for the big “Show”.

  • moononpluto

    Has anyone heard anything of what he’s actually fucking going to do, “wheres the beef”

  • HillaryforTexas

    He is so obviously throwing the women a bone. No mention of teh gays yet.

  • AmericanGal

    Just called my sister and even her husband, who doesn’t follow politics closely, said this is a very negative speech. I am thinking most average voters will think that as well…

  • moononpluto

    LMFAO…”The market should reward drunk…uhhhhhhhhhhhh”

    WTF is he on about.

  • Illinois Underground

    Beef on the way?

  • JanH

    Only one question from me:

    When do the Nuremburg Trials Part 11 Start?

    Because I swear, this guy’s crimes are on par with some of the worst criminals in history! He is going to rape America of all that is honest, decent and admirable!

    Please voters! Don’t let this happen!!!

  • HillaryforTexas

    How well did ya “keep” your brother in the shack in Kenya, Bambi?

  • confloyd

    He just stole Hillary’s platform!!

  • moononpluto

    This speech is so damn negative its bordering on depressing, this will not go over well with joe bloggs public.

  • texan4hillary

    im going to do this
    im going to do that
    hate bush
    hate mccain
    mccain been in dc 26 yrs-um biden for 35 dude and did nada
    ugh

  • Southern Born

    Obama is such a “storyteller”. I know someone who grew up in a single parent household..father died young…her mother had to struggle to make ends meet and work full time while going back to college to get her degree. She would have cut off her hand before she would have accepted food stamps. She and the child did without…only needs…not wants. And with all of that, there is no way in Hell that her daughter could have gone to fancy private schools and to Harvard even with scholarships…no way.

    I wish Obama would quit telling us that bull. He says that his mom, he and his sister had to struggle financially. Oh Really?
    You mean LoLO Soetoro did not have to pay child support for his daughter?

    Does any of BO’s life story make any sense?

  • admin

    Women who get passed over at their jobs? Uh… Hillary

    Am I my brother’s keeper? Uh… his own brother living in a shanty in Kenya.

  • Illinois Underground

    Confloyd, “change you can Xerox.” KEEP the change, please.

  • Illinois Underground

    Admin, exactly. Hypocrit in chief.

  • moononpluto

    and still no one has any idea of what this man is about, he has nothing to offer but bullshit.

  • pm317

    # confloyd Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    He just stole Hillary’s platform!!
    ———————–

    Why would we want the xerox copy when we could have had the original. People should ask that question?

  • Illinois Underground

    Xeroxed.

  • moononpluto

    blah blah blah, sob story #1, blah, blah, blah, change, change, blah, blah, blah, sob story #2, blah, blah, blah, change, change, blah, blah, change, change…

    blah, blah, blah, government screwed things up, blah, blah, blah, let’s have more government, blah, blah, blah, sob story #3, change, change, change, pie-in-the-sky promise he can’t possibly keep (solve energy crisis), blah, blah, blah, change, change, change (to socialist hell).

  • pm317

    # admin Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Women who get passed over at their jobs? Uh… Hillary

    Am I my brother’s keeper? Uh… his own brother living in a shanty in Kenya.
    —————————-

    He is his brother only when telling his over-hyped life story.

  • confloyd

    This is so sad, she made sure he took her platform. It should have been her up there!

  • Southern Born

    BO’s mother had to argue with insurance companies while she was sick? What year did she die and how old was BO and why did he not get in there and do all that for his dying mother?

  • moononpluto

    Close your legs michelle, she is showing off way too much. Tramp.

  • HillaryforTexas

    He wants to chabge the bankruptcy laws? That his running mate WROTE?

  • birdgal

    Do we really want this group of people running the country? I don’t.

    Hypocrisy is their motto.

  • Southern Born

    A debate BO is ready to have with MCCain. WHAT? He wouldn’t even how up at Town Hall meetings. WHAT?

  • moononpluto

    if you turn down the sound all you see is the body language and he is just talking down to people.

  • djia

    hey all……

    I didn’t see the kool aid stands…..
    is the hopium air born?

    well this speach is a real ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

  • HillaryforTexas

    Fuck, don’t hand him the federal budget the man already said he can’t keep track of papers!

  • skmf12

    i thought the article up today was superior.
    its alot to understand…

    obama speeches and msnbc, are personas non grata
    for me…

    great thread today!

  • Illinois Underground

    I’m not a fan of all this lecturing.

  • JanH

    So have they brought out the crowns and sceptre yet? 😉

  • moononpluto

    nah Michelle only gets out the sceptre when Baracks in the mood for a bit of rod action.

  • moononpluto

    This is the biggest most public display and embracement of communism and socialism that I have ever seen inside of the United States of America.

    I CAN NOT BELIEVE MY EYES AND EARS.

  • Southern Born

    Holy Cow! Obama is going to take care of everything not to mention doing away with STDs, Cancer, and hang nails. Yep! That about covers it

  • djia

    can some one please unplug the telepromter!! LOL

    I would love to see him go……Um um um ah ah
    like i was sayin……duh duh duh… blah blah blah

    thank you and “god damn….errr i mean bless amerikkka!!”

  • Illinois Underground

    “John McCain likes to say that he’ll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell – but he won’t even go to the cave where he lives.”

    What does this mean? McCain is not CIC.

    Ooops….. he’s slipping into south side preacher cadence.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Obama did not connect with the people tonight – he lectured them.

  • moononpluto

    I have not heard one word of how he is going to achieve any of this, not one. Its all pie in the sky.

  • pm317

    # Southern Born Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    BO’s mother had to argue with insurance companies while she was sick? What year did she die and how old was BO and why did he not get in there and do all that for his dying mother?
    —————————–

    She died in 1995 when he first ran for state senate I think.

  • moononpluto

    Is it just me or is this the most offensive speeches given by a presidential candidate ever?

  • djia

    what i want to know if he can do all that can he PULEEEEEZE make his damn ugly wife atleast fake a smile and act as if she is Proud to be the wife of a presidential Selectee

  • Illinois Underground

    Actually, isn’t McCain similar on the four wedge issues that BO has mentioned so far?

  • HillaryforTexas

    LMAO!!! If you have to angrily defend your patriotism, you are sunk, Bambi.

  • carbynew

    I see Obama still has a problem with GLBT issues…his stutters is his “tell.”

  • HillaryforTexas

    “Dont’t tell me”

    Don’t tell me
    Don’t tell me…”

    to vote for Obama.

  • moononpluto

    That was in a word “disturbing” He has actually turned into Rev Wright.

  • “This election has never been about me” Who the hell is he kidding it has always been about him…

  • HillaryforTexas

    angie, on August 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pm Said:
    Now that was funny — he just said “If you don’t have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from” He meant that as a put down to McCain, but he has just described what he did to Hillary & what he is doing to McCain.

    LMAO! McCain’s team is going to cream him on that one. What RECORD does he have?

  • Didn’t his hair look a little greyer a week ago????

  • AmericanGal

    This speech is actually giving me a headache…

  • Southern Born

    South side preacher cadence…YES, I hear it. Hope BO does not start thinking about Larry Sinclair and start doing the hoochy Koochy at the platform. But he knows nothing about that…he wasn’t there that Sunday.

  • carbynew

    moononpluto Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
    MY goodness…………… it is so angry this speech!
    *****************************************************
    Obama is a very negative man!!

    NO sense of humor at al…he has a meanstreak that is borderline psychotic.

  • moononpluto

    Well know we all know how Hitler came to power. History lesson on live tv.

  • birdgal

    I watched for a few minutes with the sound off, and it certainly did appear that he was lecturing. I hate the snobby profile of his, with his nose stuck up in the air. The democratic party has sunk to the very lowest of organizations. This is a spectacle to feed Bo’s ego.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I am sure the GLBT community are grateful for that strong defense of their worth as human beings. “We will let you visit your sick and dying. Now STFU.”

    I think enemy soldiers on a battlefield get more than that.

  • texan4hillary

    he is the self satisfying give guy. im gonna give u the ebst educ, healthcare etc… but ont tell u how. has no policy details. mccain will have a field day witht hs speech.

  • moononpluto

    This is the funniest sitcom I have seen on network television in years!!!!!! I have not laughed this hard in years!!!!!!!!

  • moononpluto

    I’m not trying to be mean…but why did Michelle Obama come to an important occasion such as this dressed as a slut??

  • birdgal

    rjk: I thought the same thing. He must of touched up his grey areas.

  • carbynew

    I’d like Hillary better by the way, Pres. Carter slammed Hillary speach said it was too much about her.

    I don’t think Carter want to see a women president…he’s not aboard that train.

  • JanH

    So is he going for the Guiness Book of World Records for the longest and most boring speech ever?

  • Southern Born

    What,no lip to lip lock with Biden’s wife tonight?

  • JanH

    moononpluto Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    I’m not trying to be mean…but why did Michelle Obama come to an important occasion such as this dressed as a slut??

    —————————————

    LOL…you don’t really want an answer to that do you? 🙂

  • moononpluto

    I think most of America has probably switched off already with “enough of that, sheesh”

  • moononpluto

    WORST…. ACCEPTANCE SPEECH….. EVER.

  • carbynew

    I agree with the Republicans and Clinton on work for welfare if you are able body person.

    Obama wants to give away the story…I’m against war profitteering, Greedy fcuks on the taxpayer expense and out of control corporate greed but come on….no way am I a Communist, Marxist or Socialist.

    Balance, Balance, Balance.

  • Southern Born

    Moon, my grandma down in Arkansas would have called MO’s outfit a housedress and she was a farmer’s wife.

  • I spoke too soon about the fireworks

  • mp

    I am sorry about his mother cancer and health but can anyone tell me how long she lived in the US and how much taxes she paid since she was 18yrs?

  • JanH

    Anybody selling popcorn and hotdogs? Maybe some hot pretzels? 😉

  • Jill Biden looks scared to death.

  • AmericanGal

    God, even the music is hideously annoying, dark and negative sounding…

  • This music is given me the creeps sort of like the sound of a movie leading up to a shocking climax.

  • Southern Born

    Is that it? They all keep looking up…what is going to desend of ascend? This is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen short of the half time at the super bowl and it doesn’t get this wild.

  • Any bounce he gets will be because of Hillary and Bill, he gets nothing from tonight.

  • moononpluto

    That was 1 hour wasted of my precious life on pure unadulterated crap.

    I’m gobsmacked. Seriously that was bad.

  • JanH

    I think I can get both him and M.O. some bit parts in our local Rocky Horror Picture Show…that is after he flunks out of president wannabe school…

    just saying… 😉

  • moononpluto

    Britt Hume was just laughing at the ‘spectacle”

  • HillaryforTexas

    LMAO! Indian friend on riverdaughter blog:

    Has someone explained to him yet that being black and opening your mouth on an MLK anniversary does not make you MLK, or anything near him?

    {Pause}

    Okay I’ve got a loincloth and glasses on. I’m Ghandi.

  • Was any of this speech his, he borrowed from JFK, Bill and probably many others. Maybe Biden researched it for him..

  • JanH

    LOL…McCain is going to have a blast with this speech. 🙂

  • moononpluto

    I DON’T CARE WHO JOHN MCCAIN PICKS FOR HIS VICE PRESIDENT, it could be the most vilest republican there is and i’d still vote for him now.

    That was freaking fucking scary. I’ve had people call me going “WTF was that”

  • confloyd

    Oh NO NOt Born in the USA, I am LMAO, maybe if they play that song enough everybody will believe he is actually an American!!!!

    Pooplosi, had to show her ugly mug again, the woman needs to stay off a stage!!

  • HillaryforTexas

    indigogrrl, on August 28th, 2008 at 11:00 pm Said:
    my obot partner is in the other room watching this….and I hear her SNORING!

    indigogrrl, on August 28th, 2008 at 11:01 pm Said:
    yup – she’s completely out. so inspired.

  • admin

    We are all crying tears of joy here. NO Hillary celebrating on stage with NObama. We were terrified that Hillary would be dragged on stage to hug and raise her hand along with Obama’s.

    Let’s all be thankful.

  • admin

    4 days wasted.

  • moononpluto

    The Titanic just sank. The Hindenberg just burned up and Obama just excuse the expression fucked himself in the ass without any help whatsoever tthis time.

  • birdgal

    Bill Kristol liked it, Juan Williams was tepid. Any other reviews?

  • pm317

    The woman on the panel on Fox did not like it.

  • birdgal

    Actually, I like Moon’s review the best.:)

  • pm317

    # admin Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    4 days wasted.
    ———————

    They did not want the last 3 days to upstage him tonight. 🙂

  • moononpluto

    Welcome to the democrat version of Dole/Kemp

  • HillaryforTexas

    I too am VERY thankful for that, admin

  • pm317

    Was Hillary in the audience?

  • NewMexicoFan

    I have no visual, but what I get from the blog is there were lots of promises (mostly Hillary’s) with no plan?

    We will have to compare this with McCain’s speech and see how it stands up.

    I was out, and came in catching my spouse watching it. I thought the tie was a mistake. It would have looked better with a red tie. To me it make him look a bit ill. (That is my only observation). I also thought the a red tie would have looked more patriotic. where as the one he had was toward purple and royal. I would not have thought he would want to present that idea.

    My spouse change the channel like I had caught him doing something he should not have.

  • moononpluto

    David Brooks of New York Times and PBS Lerher News Hour said it wsa “Underwhelming!” It was a dissapointing speech, without political poetry that was critical at that moment; Obama missed the point. Showed his inexperience; and and his inablity to rise up to the occasion. The Clintons still stands out, after all, as better candidates!

  • Paula

    moon, Are these friends calling you? I liked your “WTF was that” line, lol.

  • ABM90

    I had to turn off the coronation ceremony for the great Imposter
    and the fraud that is being played out in Adolph Hitler style that destroyed Germany and imposed the holocaust on so many innocent helpless people.Hearing a bit of BHO speech in a similar stage setting took me back to the early 1930’s and can still remember the rantings of a power mad and crazed housepainter as he excited the German people into a frenzy of hatred and crazed dialogue that promised them hope and power for a new world dominated the German regime that he designed and enforced Wehrmact and its SS stormtroopers.His tirade of hatred
    was broadcast over our airwaves,was all in the German language and was targeted to Germans living other countries of the world.
    I did not understand a word of it but that mad screaming fraud
    made me fearful of what was taking place and how soon would we would feel the effects of the hysteria that was being created
    in so short a time after WW 1.I soon found out when I was drafted and sent to europe to stop the the German invasion of much of the peaceful and struggling nations as they were trying to repair the damage and the loss of so many innocent lives just 20 years before.Tonight’s Obama rally was a grim reminder that
    it just might happen here in America and the enemy will be from within.Adolph was not old but he was inexperienced and filled with self adoration and false illusions of grandure that spelled power and mind control for the fools that worshipped him. It can happen here if we allow this stolen election to stand.That is why
    as a Hillary supporter,I will now vote for John McCain and hope that in 2012 Hillary will return to set things right again.

    By ABM90 Hope and Change are only realized when they are
    carefuly brought about by a President we can TRUST

  • HillaryforTexas

    No one is going to care if McCain’s speech is better or not. Because no one EXPECTS McCain to move them to orgasms with his speeches.

    Obama set that expectation on himself, when he chose to base his whole campaign on his orations.

  • Paula

    What is CNN saying? I’m watching football, lol.

  • Hillary and Bill must be celebrating in their suite tonight. Start planning for 2012!! That is what Axelrod did 4 years ago he was working for Edwards and was secretly planning Obama’s campaign in 08.

  • pm317

    # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    LMAO! Indian friend on riverdaughter blog:

    Has someone explained to him yet that being black and opening your mouth on an MLK anniversary does not make you MLK, or anything near him?

    {Pause}

    Okay I’ve got a loincloth and glasses on. I’m Ghandi.
    ——————————–

    H4T, are you sure she was Indian? His name is Gandhi. (sorry to nitpick 🙂 )

  • HillaryforTexas

    I thnk, but maybe not, pm.

  • confloyd

    I wasted 4 days too. Did anyone see Hillary and Chelsea, I did not. They probably had specific orders, no shots of Hillary. I also did not see any of Oprah, she probably did not want any either!

    The million dollar shot for me would have been that shot of Soros watching!

  • AmericanGal

    Rove is having a field day on Fox ripping the speech apart…

  • debbie

    ho hum

    recycled speeches are so boring

  • Paula

    AmericanGal, Can you elaborate?

  • debbie

    by Mark Silva

    DENVER – Bill Clinton, the former president, drew 24 million television viewers in his address at the Democratic National Convention.

    Hillary Clinton, the former first lady and erstwhile candidate for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, outdrew him – with 26 million viewers

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/hillary_outdraws_bill_clinton.html

  • admin

    McCain campaign response:

    “Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm’s way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be president.”

  • HillaryforTexas

    Yay! Our Hill is even more popular than Big Dawg! I hope she teases him about that. 🙂

  • Illinois Underground

    If anyone gets “Toon” channel, Family Guy is featuring Adolf addressing the masses. LOL

  • confloyd

    McCain will not let any leaks about the vp selection tonight.

    Romney will be in Ohio tomorrow, Huckabee will not.

    We will see tomorrow, who it is at High Noon. THe fight will begin!

  • pm317

    Yep, no record. But he says FIRST give me the job and then we will see. He seems to have said that with every job he had and bolted from it when karma started to catch up. What will he do in this job after all the lights, cameras, and his chanting minions go away? We already had one like him for the last 8 years. Clinton was a workhorse. McCain seems to be workhorse (only weekends in AZ). At least they won’t be caught off guard or asleep at the switch (remember Katrina?) when that phone rings at 3 am.

  • Illinois Underground

    Goodnight all. Work tomorrow.

  • NewMexicoFan

    pm317

    Interesting observation. I knew someone in my past, in an office I went into just like that. He never stayed long enough in an office for people to figure out he did not know what he was doing. Unfortunately in ours he did; he kind of hit the wall. They had to get rid of him. He was nasty arrogant, and running around on his wife. She knew as she asked to come in one day and check his desk while he was away. They lived seperate lives, and he had a seperate checking acount, tacked on days on travel with his lady friends. When she called and asked pointed questions about his travel, I answered truthfully.

    He was crap.

  • pm317

    We ask for record and this is what we get. From NQ and Steve Diamond,

    Together Ayers and Obama worked to hand out more than $160 million in and around the Chicago school system to groups that allegedly were going to work to improve student achievement. The effort failed, miserably, at least on the level of achievement.

    Didn’t he say something about a world class education for our children in that speech?

  • skmf12

    carby,

    i like the way you think…
    great observation…

    **********
    I have to give it to the Republicans…they are moving toward McCain.

    “I think it is important for us to help move the Republican toward the center by voting for McCain.

    Remember, Martin Luther King was a Republican…he never was a Democrat so don’t get confuse and place all this good will on the Democratic? Taliban Party.”

  • confloyd

    An ominous sign of what is to come for Obama is when he told McCain that he would not stand for being told he was not American enough! LOL!! He knows its coming, all his terrorist friends will be making appearances!

  • NewMexicoFan

    So where is Chris Matthews in a closet someplace passed out from the tinklings up his legs? I am sorry, I just had to say that.

  • CountTheVotes

    ugh – it is so hard to watch Sheila Jackson Lee regurgitate the Kool Aid – she’s on Greta right now.

  • S

    confloyd Says:

    August 28th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
    He just stole Hillary’s platform!!

    ***************************************

    first, thank god that is over…the bottom line is Obama mentioned and credited Bill (and Hill) Clinton and his administration once…however much of what he said tonight comes right out of Bill Clinton’s 1992 Political campaign strategy book…and what he accomplished in his administration…

    …all targeted at the middle class and “restoring the American dream” AND … drum roll…”this election is about you”

    no wonder why Bill did not want to be there…it would have been hard for him to sit still while he heard himself and Hillary channeled by Obama…

    …this guy has really pulled off a slight of hand…he pushed the two geniusis (sp) of our party to the sidelines while he runs against them and then uses their successful strategies to win and take credit for…

    …and crafty because he knows Hillary’s working class voters will connect with some of this rhetoric because it does come from Hill and Bill, the two people they have voted for…

  • texan4hillary

    pawlenty concerns me-esp the thing with having sex offenders moved to sr homes. its true.

  • texan4hillary

    palin mentioned as finalist for vp in watimes
    Originally published 09:17 p.m., August 28, 2008, updated 04:10 a.m., August 29, 2008
    McCain won’t be ignored nearing VP pick
    Stephen Dinan (Contact)
    DENVER | John McCain and other Republicans have been masterful this week at inserting themselves into Barack Obama’s Democratic National Convention, repeatedly stealing part of the limelight with hard-hitting ads, an aggressive effort to court disaffected Clinton supporters and tantalizing visits by possible Republican vice-presidential candidates.

    Mr. McCain had narrowed his list to a handful of possibilities: Former rival Mitt Romney, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, as well as wildcard Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democrats’ 2000 vice-presidential nominee who is now an independent.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/mccain-nears-vice-presidential-pick/?page=2

  • AmericanGal

    I have been checking out reaction to the speech around the web and it ranges from “the best convention speech I ever heard..Obama won the presidency” to “just a typical Democratic speech with little details on how Obama will actually achieve it”.

    I think that many are caught up in the moment. After all, it is a historic event. When you hear Obama talking about typical Democratic views it’s natural you will be drawn to him if you are a Democrat.

    But a lot of reality is going to start rushing in starting tomorrow when the Republicans will no doubt start their attacks. I am thinking that the entire election hinges on how the x factor of Obama’s history, connections and actual experience plays out. As I read the posting tonight, many seem to have started to believe in what he says….Ij wonder if that will last….

  • Berkeley Vox

    *phew* what an underwhelming speech. Problems:

    1) it never should have been moved outdoors, because the crowd response came across on TV as muted and diluted. We got a lot of U2 this week (“City of Blinding Lights” as Obama took stage, “Beautiful Day” as Bill Clinton left the stage), and as U2 well knows, arena shows are always louder and more intense than stadium shows. The roof keeps all that sound in, and it turns into a roar if the speech is good enough

    2) Obama can’t resorting to “egghead-isms”. Sentences populated with phrases like “that which…” come across as overly academic

    3) Obama was nervous, so he rushed the speech. He was racing through his lines, so the speech became hard to follow. Contrast with Bill Clinton, who was slow and deliberate, and the audience could almost see his sentences and points unfolding, as they happened.

    4) He was pushing positions that are not popular with swing voters. Swing voters WANT offshore drilling, by large margins. Swing voters don’t really CARE about lobbyists.

    5) The backdrop was awful: fake windows?? The tight shot on Obama’s face, which the networks used for most of the speech, made it look as though he was speaking from an office building.

    6) It fell flat compared to the spine-tingling speeches that Hillary, and especially Bill, gave. It simply wasn’t as captivating. It wasn’t terrible, but it fell well short of expectations

  • admin

    Associated Press:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92RMQE80&show_article=1

    DENVER (AP) – Barack Obama, whose campaign theme is “change we can believe in,” promised Thursday to “spell out exactly what that change would mean.”

    But instead of dwelling on specifics, he laced the crowning speech of his long campaign with the type of rhetorical flourishes that Republicans mock and the attacks on John McCain that Democrats cheer. The country saw a candidate confident in his existing campaign formula: tie McCain tightly to President Bush, and remind voters why they are unhappy with the incumbent.

    ———————

    But most of his address echoed and amplified the theme that dominated the four-day Democratic nominating convention here: George Bush.

    ————————

    Obama’s aides have long complained that he gets too little credit for including detailed proposals in his stump speeches, because listeners seem to remember only his stage presence and lofty rhetoric. Obama, who earlier had promised a “workmanlike” speech in Denver, seemed to acknowledge the problem, saying he would fill in the blanks.

    Mostly, however, he touched on major issues quickly and lightly. It’s an approach that may intrigue and satisfy millions of viewers just starting to tune in to the campaign seriously. The crowd at Invesco Field cheered deliriously, but Republicans almost surely will decry the lack of specifics.

    For instance, Obama said it’s time “to protect Social Security for future generations.” But he didn’t mention his main proposal, which is to add a new Social Security payroll tax to incomes above $250,000 a year.

    He said he would “cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families,” but did not say how.

  • pm317

    Berkeley Vox Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:05 am
    ——————

    Is there a source for that review?

  • mj

    pm, that is Berk’s review. He wrote it.

  • Berkeley Vox

    ya, those were my thoughts pm317. I’ll add one more:

    7) Obama didn’t smile enough, which indicated he was nervous. Easy for me to say, I guess — 84,000 people and worldwide TV would be pretty daunting — but when he took the stage, he should have been absolutely BEAMING and he wasn’t. And when the speech ended, he just stood there, instead of plunging into the crowd and shaking hands. Minor nitpicks, maybe, but I couldn’t help but think, Hillary and Bill never make those mistakes!

  • birdgal

    I came across this posting on another site, and I think it sums up my feelings succinctly:

    “Congratulations to Mr. Obama for being the first Black American to be nominated for the office of the Presidency. Now that being said, I will never vote for this empty suit egomaniac!”

  • admin

    Krauthammer now notices what we noticed last year – unlike “the Hillary I know” Obama has nobody to witness for him. (we suppose Pastor Wright and Tony Rezko know Obama well but will keep mum, for now):

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_the_mysterious_s.html

    Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

    Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments — bearing even fewer witnesses.

    When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.

    Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama’s life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I’ve been with Barack Obama. We’ve toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do. [snip]

    Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that only takes you so far. It doesn’t take you to the public man, the national leader.

    Who is to testify to that? Hillary’s husband on night three did aver that Obama is “ready to lead.” However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.

    Obama’s vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron’s virtues, such as the fact that he had “reached across party lines to … keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists.” But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage.

    Thought experiment. Assume John McCain had retired from politics. Would he have testified to Obama’s political courage in reaching across the aisle to work with him on ethics reform, a collaboration Obama boasted about in the Saddleback debate? “In fact,” reports the Annenberg Political Fact Check, “the two worked together for barely a week, after which McCain accused Obama of ‘partisan posturing'” — and launched a volcanic missive charging him with double cross.

    So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he’s out. Then there’s William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He’s out. Where are the others?

    The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger — a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night.

  • pm317

    Berkeley Vox Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:25 am

    ya, those were my thoughts pm317. I’ll add one more:

    ——————-
    Thanks, they are right on the money (I asked because some forget to list outside sources here).

  • CountTheVotes

    I had taped the roll call and just watched for the first time the moment when Hillary asked for an acclamation to stop the roll call…sad. Donna Brazile has to be reminded by Wolf Blitzer to thank Hillary for this moment. I don’t know how many times our hearts have to break – I am glad those African Americans who wanted BO to be the nominee got their dream fulfilled – but when the Dems lose, it was not worth it to undermine democracy and destroy the party just to make that gesture to one group.

  • pm317

    The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger —

    ——————————-

    Oh, he dare not compare him to Gatsby!

  • pm317

    CountTheVotes Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 1:42 am
    ———————–

    You know if they had not played such a ruthless, risky “all or nothing” game, Hillary would have been the clear winner (even as she is now) and she would have chosen him as VP and in 8 years, he could have cleaned up his vile connections and become successful at winning the Presidency. But they did not want that and now they are on the verge of losing both.

  • Gezahegn

    CountTheVotes

    Your weak thinking and bad language is not the type usually used on this site. Hillary has very many African American supporters as well.

  • texan4hillary

    good grief-now pawlenty say tongiht he will be in mn today an dhas no plans to fly to ohio?! mcain is playing a hell of agame here
    http://www.northlandsnewscenter.com/news/local/27642979.html

  • turndownobama-com

    WILL BOWER IS BRILLIANT! LOOK WHAT HE JUST STARTED! A candidates’ PLEDGE to support HIllary for Senate Majority Leader!

    h t t p : / / http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=72075850013


    Hillary Clinton for Senate Majority Leader in 2009

    The DNC may have undermined 18,000,000 voters…
    …but we can do our best to make sure that the DSCC and the Senate don’t do the same.
    Let those Senatorial candidates up for election in November know that, if they want our votes, that they will pledge to elect Hillary Clinton our next Senate Majority Leader.
    Like LBJ in the late 1950s, Hillary Clinton can lead this country from that seat of power… and we 18,000,000 will have our voices better served and respected.

    [[ Imo this is a great idea! It gives HIllary power, it shows Pelosi and Reid they can’t bully her. Also seeing which candidates sign the pledge, shows us which downticket Dems to vote for in November! ]]

  • texan4hillary

    we need hillary to be a counter to whomever gets elected. sen maj is one idea worth looking at

  • CountTheVotes

    Gezahegn Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Gezahegn – I think you completely misunderstand me, and I’ve been on this board for longer than you, so I don’t know what your comparison is . I know she has many African American supporters – because I worked with several who were selected as delegates. I campaigned and saw AA women and men in all the offices I worked in. I am a woman of color myself and am not a racist.

    I do believe that the DNC bent over backwards to fulfill a dream – for a minority who voted 90% for BO – and they lost sight of the bigger picture.

  • turndownobama-com

    Berkeley Vox Says:
    And when the speech ended, he just stood there, instead of plunging into the crowd and shaking hands.

    =================

    He was like the candidate at the end of that movie — thinking “Okay, what now?”

  • turndownobama-com

    Obama self-made? His image was made by Axelrod.

    Himself was not self-made, he was shaped and cosseted and coddled and groomed and handed off from one set of users to another.

  • turndownobama-com

    pm317 Says: You know if they had not played such a ruthless, risky “all or nothing” game, Hillary would have been the clear winner (even as she is now) and she would have chosen him as VP and in 8 years, he could have cleaned up his vile connections and become successful at winning the Presidency. But they did not want that and now they are on the verge of losing both.
    ——————————-

    Yep. It seems like a tragedy. And yet … this way we get decent, sane presidents: McCain, then Hillary, and never Obama.

    It may be cheap at the price.

  • admin

    Obama cheerleader David Brooks appears not to have liked the speech:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/opinion/29brooks.html?hp

    My fellow Americans, it is an honor to address the Democratic National Convention at this defining moment in history. We stand at a crossroads at a pivot point, near a fork in the road on the edge of a precipice in the midst of the most consequential election since last year’s “American Idol.”

    One path before us leads to the past, and the extinction of the human race. The other path leads to the future, when we will all be dead. We must choose wisely.

    We must close the book on the bleeding wounds of the old politics of division and sail our ship up a mountain of hope and plant our flag on the sunrise of a thousand tomorrows with an American promise that will never die! For this election isn’t about the past or the present, or even the pluperfect conditional. It’s about the future, and Barack Obama loves the future because that’s where all his accomplishments are.

    We meet today to pass the torch to a new generation of Americans, a generation that came of age amidst iced chais and mocha strawberry Frappuccinos®, a generation with a historical memory that doesn’t extend back past Coke Zero.

    We meet today to heal the divisions that have torn this country. For we are all one country and one American family, whether we are caring and thoughtful Democrats or hate-filled and war-crazed Republicans. We must bring together left and right, marinara and carbonara, John and Elizabeth Edwards. On United we stand, on US Airways, there’s a 25-minute delay.

    Ladies and gentleman, I never expected to be speaking before you today. Like so many of our speakers at this convention, I come from a hard-working, middle-class family. I was leading a miserable little life, but, nevertheless, overcame great odds to live the American Dream. My great-grandfather fought in Patton’s Army, along with Barack Obama’s great-grand uncles’ fourth cousin once removed.

    As a child, I was abandoned by my parents and lived with a colony of ants. We didn’t have much in the way of material possession, but we did have each other and the ability to carry far more than our own body weights. When I was young, I was temporarily paralyzed in a horrible anteater accident, but I never gave up my dream: the dream of speaking at a national political convention so my speech could be talked over by Wolf Blitzer and a gang of pundits.

    And today we Democrats meet in Denver, a suburb of Boulder, a city whose motto is, “A Taxi? You Must be Dreaming.”

    [there’s more at the link]

  • texan4hillary

    lots of goings on on this mcain vp deal. some sites reporting charter jet from ancorage ak to ohio which landed 10pm. very odd flight. a flight earlier in the day ent from ak to flagstaff az. is it palin? well will see. pawlenty says he is staying in mn-and some sites report it is not him. something wierd is going on for sure. some repubs are wondering if mccain intedns to announce his vp and his partial cabinet incl ridge, romeny, lieberman etc. that is why they are ased to come. something is brewing

  • wbboei

    MB and I sent this email to Hannity, Greta, Lou a O Reilly and Rush as our wholly inadequate tribute to The Great One–or The Whore Of Babalon–by way of Investco Field.
    ——————————————-
    PLAERISM THY NAME IS BARACK OBAMA

    Hi Sean- We just spent some time listening to the Obama speech more carefully. All of the specifics Obama talked about are taken almost word for word from Hillary’s carefully crafted, detailed and lengthy plans…health care, energy, retooling the car industry, and so on and he kept claiming them as HIS. My health care plan he says and then states hers and so on. In other words, PLAGERISM THY NAME IS BARACK.

    It wouldn’t be bad for him to adopt her plans but to do so without giving her credit and in fact claiming them as his is so patriarchal and I can assure you everyone has had a boss or co-worker who is the big mouth do nothing who has done this to them. THIS GOES TO THE ISSUE OF CHARACTER.

    We did not hear one media outlet, including FOX who recognized what he had done. AMAZING.

    He was supposed to come up with specifics to let the American People know who he is and what he meant by the word CHANGE.

    It is now easy to see that like the earlier speech that he stole from Devale Patrick and claimed as he without giving credit to Patrick that Obama is a FRAUD. And that is the last thing and the worst direction this country needs to go in. We hope that you too will review this speech and will report what has indeed happened.

  • texan4hillary

    more late palin bu-flight tracker shows plane from ak to dayton oh tongiht
    http:/ /blog.changeandexperience.com/2008/08/rumor-alaska-governor-sarah-palin.html

  • carbynew

    The Democratic? Taliban Party nominee speech

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg

    Admin pls embed…thanks

  • admin

    Texan4Hillary:

    Long interview with Sarah Palin on oil drilling. She appears to be sharp. The video is very bad quality but gives a good view of her abilities. (we also just found out she has 5 children, the last one has Down’s Syndrome.)

  • admin

    A link to informative Draft Palin for VP website: http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/

  • carbynew

    Carter praises Bush’s Africa aid

    Former president called Sudan deal accomplishment.

    Excerpts from blogs News-Leader reporter Chad Livengood filed Thursday from the Democratic National Convention:

    Former President Jimmy Carter said Thursday that President George W. Bush’s appointment of former Missouri Sen. Jack Danforth to broker a peace deal in Sudan in 2001 will be one the administration’s most memorable international achievements.

    During a news conference with USA Today and Gannett Co. newspaper reporters, Carter was asked what role he thinks Bush might play on the world stage after he leaves office in January.

    “If the Bush administration has one notable achievement, it would be the benevolent contribution to Africa with AIDS and other things,” he said.

    When Bush was inaugurated in 2001 after the controversial U.S. Supreme Court decision that decided the presidency, he asked Carter “if he could do anything” to help the former president’s own peace-keeping efforts, Carter said.

    “I said, ‘Yes, help us bring peace to Sudan,'” Carter said. “And he did.”

    Danforth, a political moderate, won a seat in the Senate in 1976 as a Republican — the same year Carter won Missouri and the presidency. Danforth served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 2004 to 2005.

    Carter said Bush’s appointment of Danforth as a U.S. Special Envoy to Sudan helped broker a peace agreement between Sudan’s Islamic government and a group of Christian rebels, something “the Clinton administration had not been willing to do.”

    “A role that he might wish to play is to continue his deep commitment to Africa,” Carter told reporters. “But that’s a decision for him to make.”

    http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080829/NEWS01/808290387

  • texan4hillary

    im just thinkin-how many charter jets go from ak to dayton and land around 10pm on a thurs? unheard of. i suppose i hope it is palin for this-to sho the corrupt dnc. formccain to say-esp after obama big speech and gaga news media tonight-that im a different repub. it would add excitement to the gop side fo the race and could clinch those dissaffected clinton voters. it would eb the nightmare from hell for the dnc/obama. obama couldnt put hillary on the ticket-but mccain can elevate a qualified gov to vp?! and how does the dncers attack palin on abortion. she is pro life and chose to have her baby w/downs. that is a powerful story. it makes her immune to attacks on choice for many. palin is a tough cookie-has knoced corrupt folks in ak for yrs. there is a probe on her set off by a pissed opponent of hers. and who is this person-from what ive read the guy is linked to camp obama says ak circles. every day she is on the trail dem women will feel the shame of what obama did. it would surely rock things

  • moononpluto

    OMG have you seen Palin’s husband and son, bring a whole new level of cuteness to the political field.

    Woof Woof.

  • moononpluto

    It’s actually two planes.

    One flight (Palin on board) went from Alaska to Flagstaff, AZ (via Seattle) on Wednesday before flying to Middletown, Ohio (via Amarillo) on Thursday.

    Flagstaff is the closest main airport to Sedona, AZ where McCain was holed up.

    That same flight left a few hours before McCain was reported to leave for Middeltown, Ohio (south of Dayton) and arrived at 7 PM.

    The other flight (possibly with family) left today from Anchorage to Middletown, Ohio and arrived at 10 PM.

    There were a total of three logged flights into Middletown, OH today.

    One went from Alaska to AZ to OH the other from Alaska to OH.

    Too strange to be coincidental, IMHO.

  • moononpluto

    DELAWARE CHARGES DISMISSED (Larry Sinclair saga)

  • moononpluto

    Imagine a VP debate with Biden and Palin, Biden would be all over the place, he’d be too busy staring at her boobies to get anything in. He would’nt know how to handle her.

  • moononpluto

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_the_mysterious_s.html

    Obama–The Perfect Stranger

    Does anyone admit to knowing him?

    WASHINGTON — Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

    Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments — bearing even fewer witnesses.

    Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama’s life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I’ve been with Barack Obama. We’ve toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.

    Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We’re all Democrats. He’s a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him — I am currently unavailable — to get Democratic things done. God bless America.

    Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that only takes you so far. It doesn’t take you to the public man, the national leader.

    So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he’s out. Then there’s William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He’s out. Where are the others?

  • moononpluto

    Drudge now has a picture of McCain and Palin on the front page.

  • moononpluto

    I’m trying to figure out why she would fly from Alaska if she wasn’t the one? Then again, maybe she wasn’t on that plane in the first place? Frustrating.

    Just heard on Fox that McCain’s camp have now said it’s someone who’ll “reform Washington, something about energy, and lower taxes”. “Reform Washington” kinda says Palin to me, but, maybe it’s wishful thinking?

    McCain may be just about to take Obama change message apart.

  • moononpluto

    Its looking more and more like Sarah Palin as the hours go by.

  • meiyingsu

    And If Obama Loses?

    No candidate has ever been nominated by a major party with fewer credentials or a weaker claim to the presidency, or more doubts as to his core beliefs. If Obama wins, the country could be in real trouble. And if he loses, the country could be in real trouble.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28277#continueA

  • moononpluto

    “Yes!! I heard she left Anchorage last night by plane to a “litte airport outside of Dayton”…This is according to Fox News and apparently some bloggers who watched Bidens house on the days before the nomination.. I guess we’ll see. “

  • moononpluto

    Palin been missing in action since Wednesday.

    “This could just be a very strange coincidence, but take a look at this chartered flight from Anchorage, Alaska to Dayton, Ohio. The flight left just after 12:00 PM yesterday and arrived in Dayton’s small municipal airport late last evening.

    Obviously, this could just be a return trip of an rich guy from Dayton coming home early to attend the McCain rally, which is bound to be a hot ticket. But there are a lot of Republicans hoping that Alaska’s Governor Sarah Palin was aboard that flight with the same intention of attending the rally, albeit in a very different capacity.

    According to the Governor’s website, she hasn’t signed any legislation since Wednesday and Google News doesn’t show any public appearances since the signing of that legislation, which means she’s publicly unaccounted for on Thursday afternoon and evening and may have been on that flight when the country had it’s eyes on the Democratic National Convention.”

  • moononpluto

    fox just announced that it is looking like the governor from alaska!

  • moononpluto

    MSNBC are joining in, guys i think its Palin.

  • CNN reporting Palin arrives in Dayton from Alaska in private plane.

  • moononpluto

    Has a kind of ring to it

    You can see the marketing

    Vote
    McCaIN
    PalIN

    Vote them IN

  • moononpluto

    Fucking hell, McCains going to pick a sassy woman.

  • moononpluto

    Breaking News on PMSNBC just this minute. Tim Pawlenty has stated that he got the call from McCain and that the VP choice is not him.

    Holy fuck, i really think its going to be Palin, McCain cannot afford another white man on the ticket.

  • Romney could help him win MI, but the way McCain has been courting pissed off Hillary supporters Palin could be his move.
    Kay Bailey Hutchinson has a lot more experience.

  • moononpluto

    Romney is a disaster pick i think, his mormon religion will lose a lot of states for McCain.

  • If Obama sitting in that pew week after week for 20 years (even though he says he does have the same views as Wright) doesn’t hurt him, being a Mormon shouldn’t hurt Romney,

  • CNN said that a woman, a man and 2 teenagers got off the secret flight from Alaska last night.

  • moononpluto

    On Friday, August 29, Fox & Friends reported that Palin’s family departed hastily from Anchorage, Alaska aboard a Gulfstream jet that landed near Dayton, Ohio, site of McCain’s planned vice presidential announcement. They cited the website Change&Experience.com, which also had correctly leaked travel details for Sen. Joseph Biden to Springfield, Illinois for Barack Obama’s announcement.”

  • moononpluto

    It looks like its going to be Palin, why would the whole family be with her.

  • CNN said she has 4 or 5 children and 2 are teenagers. One is in Iraq.

  • moononpluto

    MSNBC’s pantsuitwoman reporter is have cartweels saying all exciting about a woman on the ticket.

    (obama’s speech is officially irrelivent today, they are totally ignoring Obama)

  • Andrea Mitchell saying several finalists flying in.

  • moononpluto

    IT’S NOT ROMNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Carl Cameron Reporting

    Fuck……………………………

  • freckles

    I believe that McCain should have gone to Colin Powell and told him that his country needed him (again) and he would have a winner.

    Or maybe he’s too old.

    The take-off on Obama’s speech is so funny and well-written.

  • moononpluto

    Fuck, they are reporting its Sarah Palin.

  • Joe is right if he does pick her, it could backfire bigtime.

  • Where is Leiberman???

  • McCain should try to keep this speculation up all day and announce it in the late afternoon.

  • moononpluto

    Actually why, she has been on the radar since before the run.

    She is a tough washington outsider who can manage.

  • JAS

    rjk1957, why/how could it backfire???

  • curiosityhasme

    Think it’s wonderful if it’s AK Gov. Sarah Palin. Dynamic, smart, for DRILLING and in ANWAR – take that Gore! She has five children, including Down’s baby boy born in April of this year. Take THAT late-term infanticide promoting BHO! See pics of her online, winning in dogsled, big in outdoor sports (DUH) and son heading to IRAQ – along with McCains SONS in the Middle East.

    Leave it to McCain – always a Maverick AGAINST the Repulbican Party – the most Left-leaning Republican in the United States.

    Works wonderfully because HRC will challenge McCain in 2012, and will prevail as the WOMAN WITH EXPERIENCE. WINNER FOR RECAPTURING FDR’S DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Then, it would be HER TURN TO SELECT A MINORITY CANDIDATE – Mel Martinez?

    McCain/Palin – Where can I get a bumper sticker? Cafepress here I come.

  • moononpluto

    She makes Obama’s experience look like crap. councilwoman 2 term mayor and Gov, she took on the oil business and won, is as blue collar as they come and hot.

    Whats not to like.

    This would be a smart move for McCain, Ok we didnt get Hillary but boy this would set up a 2012 all woman fight.

    Hillary vs Palin.

  • If Hillary supporters see it just as a ploy to get them to vote for McCain, it could turn some off because they feel like they are being played.

  • pm317

    wbboei Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 3:31 am

    MB and I sent this email to Hannity, Greta, Lou a O Reilly and Rush as our wholly inadequate tribute to The Great One–or The Whore Of Babalon–by way of Investco Field.
    ——————————————-
    PLAERISM THY NAME IS BARACK OBAMA
    ———————

    All the bigwigs lauded him saying how smart he was to comeback to core Democratic principles/policies and no mention of Hillary.

  • moononpluto

    If its Sarah, then she 4 years learning under McCain, thats technically what VP is for and being able to step, she has the experience.

    This looks like Commander and Chief the program.

    Sarah Palin is MacKenzie.

  • And I am sure she knows how to spell potato….

  • moononpluto

    No ploy, i dont see it that way, I see a smart capable woman.

    She may be prolife but i dont have to like everything.

    She’s an example of what a woman can do, she’s doing what Hillary did, grabbing a mans world and shaking it.

  • moononpluto

    Will Democrats really attack Palin’s experience? Obama’s campaign has been about giving up big money and the corporate world to help people. Palin has done this in her community, fighting for the people, reducing taxes, reducing her own salary, and fighting unethical people in her own party. She has been working on behalf of people for 16 years (as opposed to someone who only talks about helping people.) She has big and small government executive leadership. And she will be the only person of the 4 who has executive experience. And now a comparison of their political resumes:

    Sarah Palin

    1992-1996 City Councilwoman 1996-2002 Wasilla Mayor – (Reduced her own salary and Property Taxes by 60%) 2003-2004 Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission(resigned in protest over Alaskan Republicans) 2006-2008 Alaska Governor

    Barack Obama State Senator 1997-2004 (no real accomplishments) US Senator 2005-2008 (no real accomplishments, except running for President and paying off his student loans)

    Go Ahead, Obama. attack… we dare you : )

  • Idunn

    GO JOhnny GO!! Pick Sarah!! Pick Sarah!!

  • Give me a break… CNN just showed a clip of Michelle wearing a support our troops tee shirt..

  • moononpluto

    McCain has just killed Obama’s speech dead in the water. Dead as a doornail

  • drag it out all day long. The longer it goes on the crazier the media gets and it will be all they talk about.

  • pm317

    If it is Palin, Dems are done. She is a woman and has accomplished more than Obama. People who were not tuned into Primary and did not know everything that happened will ask the inevitable question why the Dems did not go for a Clinton/Obama ticket? That is before he gets all his dirty laundry hidden by the media now and exposed by the GoP.

  • moononpluto

    The best thing Sarah Palin could do is come out and say

    “I am doing this for America and I am doing this for women everywhere, Women like Hillary who are pushed aside and their voices gagged”.

  • pm317

    Oh, GoP tack from now on is: OK we give it you he is immensely talented as we saw on the campaign so far but do we know enough about him? Then dig up his past and say this is what you should know about him.

  • pm317

    If it is Palin, she has to do something about those bangs. 🙂

  • NewMexicoFan

    We were all worried about how slow he was to attack, and laid back. I think this guy learned in a POW camp patience. He is making all the right moves.

    AND HE IS ON PUBLIC FINANCING.

    He is not afraid of enbracing something new, and he is getting the Reps to go along with him.

    Where as the change and hope man has and is going down some very traditional paths.

    I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN, HE DOES NOT SMILE, BECAUSE HE IS DEPPRESSED, O THAT IS.

    Wait until McCain gets up there and does his delivery.

    The other thing here that, excuse me, kind of appeals to me, the Reps made this mess, and it woulld be nice if they cleaned some of it up.

  • Idunn

    If it’s Palin, then good on HRC and good on us for forcing the Repbulicans to pick a woman as vp!!!

    The times they are a changin’.

  • moononpluto

    No Idea whats going on, ABC apparently said Palin is in Alaska.

  • Idunn

    And good on John McCain if he picks Sarah despite that trumped up state probe she’s facing. That’s nothing more than a hit job designed to pay “the little lady” back for exposing corruption in Alaska.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Krauthammer writes on something that I have LONG had a deep uneasiness about regarding Obama: where are his long-time friends and colleagues?

    Is there anybody out there who can say, “I have known this man for years, I knew him at Occidental, I knew him in Chicago, here is what we did together. I have worked with him for years, I can vouch for him.” I don’t see those people speaking up, or campaigning for him, or on the stage with him.

    I would not go on a DATE with a man who has no real friends and associates that anyone can find. I certainly won’t elect him president. Who the hell IS he?

  • moononpluto

    What the hell is going on here.

  • moononpluto

    Theres serious headfaking going here, no one has any idea now.

  • pm317

    # rjk1957 Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    If Hillary supporters see it just as a ploy to get them to vote for McCain, it could turn some off because they feel like they are being played.
    ——————————–

    It won’t be just a ploy because she has more on record than Obama does and she is young and fresh and an outsider. This is very smart on McCain’s part. I think McCain’s argument (to Hillary supporters) will be I dared enough to give a fairly well accomplished up and coming woman governor a chance at the WH, what did your party do to the more experienced, well qualified woman candidate?

  • moononpluto

    Carl Cameron back tracking on FOX…not Pawlenty, or Romney (who were the picks yesterday); unconfirmed, but says now Palin still in Alaska; says (and I am feeling ill now) Tom Ridge’s people refuse to confirm HIS whereabouts…CNN said he was out though…URGHHHHHH

  • moononpluto

    Fox keeps talking about Meg Whitman, too.

    Right now, its up in the air, no one has a clue.

  • confloyd

    I hope McCain picks her, she is very much a unique woman. I think those disenfranchized women will look closely at a McCain/Palin ticket.

    I think McCain would be wise to select her.

  • Idunn

    Ugh…Ridge. That would be a deal breaker for me.

    But hell, there’s always Cynthia McKinney.

  • NewMexicoFan

    What would be really nice is if when he announces his VP, he also announced his cabinet.

    Then voters would see all of the people that would be surrounding him, which he could have up there with him at the convention.

    Might be a stark contrast to O up there alone.

  • Idunn

    Fox keeps talking about Meg Whitman, too.

    I can’t get behind Whitman, either. I’m one of those people who insists on candidates having served in public office.

  • MIDem

    I truly fear for our country if obama gets into the Whitehouse.
    He is more than the ordinary Narcissist. Yesterdays speech was frightening beyond words. He reminded me of Hitler, just as AMB90 referred to.
    It was not what obama said, it is how he said it. Why is he so angry?
    It is not normal to lap up the adoration of 80,000 screaming fans, and barely crack a smile. Why is he so angry, so pessimistic, so foul?

    I think he is a power hungry mad man of epic proportions.
    A danger to our country and to the world.
    Just because he is photogenic, doesn’t mean that he is a good guy.

  • pm317

    If it is Ridge, it is a mistake. Two white men who can’t talk..

  • NewMexicoFan

    Let us face it people, McCain will have a lot of people up there that he has supported along the way. There will be a crowd.

  • moononpluto

    Lieberman is apparently in Ohio.

  • I smell Carl Rove in this guessing game McCain’s camp has everyone playing this morning.

  • djia

    This is McCain Schooling THE ONE in the fine art of cat n mouse LOL!!

    BHO i am sure is on the edge of his ” The President” seat (pissed) in his make believe O force one clicking his ruby slippers together over and over again while chanting I am the one I am the one I am the one LOL!!!!

  • mj

    Ridge is a pro-chopice moderate. People really liked him as gov.

  • moononpluto

    Mind you, its only her spokesperson, said she’s in Alaska, they could be faking so as not to spoil the announcment.

  • moononpluto

    McCain could never pick a prochice, it would be suicide, definitely not ridge, i still think its Palin and they are just saying she’s in alaska when she isnt.

  • Illinois Underground

    Morning, Hillfriends:
    In the warm light of a new day it is clear. Take away the “soaring rhetoric” and all you have left is an angry Marxist with a xeroxed copy of Hillary’s speech.

  • mj

    freckles Says:

    August 29th, 2008 at 8:18 am
    I believe that McCain should have gone to Colin Powell and told him that his country needed him (again) and he would have a winner.

    I think Powell didn’t want to run against Obama.

  • Illinois Underground

    PS – I’m rooting for Sarah Palin. Meg Whitman for Secy of Commerce.

  • Illinois Underground

    G’day all…. off to work.

  • mj

    I’m pulling for Palin.

  • freckles

    I take it back. Colin Powell is 71.

  • NewMexicoFan

    Powell stood up there and gave the party line about Iraq, it would be nice if he could realize that he is a better choice at VP, than O is for President and this time stand up for the right reasons.

    However, I don’t think the guy likes the battles that go on in the Presidential Campaign and what the family goes through.

  • Idunn

    This is starting to drive me crazy. Under normal conditions, I really wouldn’t care who McCain picked. But if it’s Palin? THAT is going to make me weep with joy.

  • Idunn

    Amd also weep with laughter…because what a slap to Obama THAT would be!!

  • NewMexicoFan

    I am pulling for Powell, but realize that would make an old ticket. Amazing how one guy of 47 with know experience has all these 65 71 and 71 year olds around him.

    I am a lose otherwise. Palin, sounds good, but I don’t know how other women would take it.

    The rest seem to not have the right baggage. However, it could be someone we have not even mentioned.

  • NewMexicoFan

    Idunn

    I agree the Plain choice really sends a message about the actions of the Dem Party.

  • mj

    U would love Palin. It’s not like McCain could run with Hill. It’s not the same as BO choosing another woman. Palin pretty much rocks for a repub woman. It would be a very exciting ticket.

  • mj

    Sorry, I not U would love Palin.

  • carbynew

    As a Democrat, I don’t know enough about their party to get an opinion for McCain vp pick but I do know…all the “heat” is on John McCain side.

    This has been a fun morning for me and I have to Thank John McCain for it.

    Go Johnny!

  • Mikka get over it! The messiah is not being covered today.

  • Idunn

    What I really like and respect about Palin, is that she has a very strong sense of ethics. I may not agree with many of her positions, but you gotta respect someone who’s willing to risk their career to do what they truly believe in the heart is the right thing to do. Suck a HUGE contrast to Obama, who has absolutely no convictions at all, just blind, ruthless ambition.

    If McCain picks Palin, I may even go to work to get them elected.

  • Idunn

    suck = such

    heh heh heh

  • Idunn

    As many of you know, I only have basic cable. So will one of you be kind enough to occasionally relay any vp news you hear?

  • Fox just mentioned that palin’s sister was married to a state trooper and during their messy divorce members of Palin’s staff pressured State police to fire him.

  • mj

    rjk, that story is bs.

  • lil ole grape

    And If Obama Loses? By Patrick Buchanan
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/and_if_obama_loses.html

    Perfect presentation of the Catch-22 the Dems created for the whole country — we are damned if we elect him and damned if we don’t. For my part I say if the AA community insists on forcing the choice of a man who is not qualified to be president, and promise blood baths if they don’t get their way, then damnit let them turn to brutality and see what good it will do them. I am sick of this damned racism. They want a dark complexion in the white house? — then FIND one who’s qualified. It’s not a symbolic office — it’s a JOB!

  • Said there are copies of emails

  • basil9

    McCain’s already earned mega points by having clearly vetted a number of excellent women.

    IMHO, I think Meg Whitman would be a good choice because of her role in turning E-bay from a 5-person-staff business into one that now employs over a million people worldwide in just 5 years.

    McCain has admitted he’s not an economics whiz.

    BTW – About Bo’s ‘soaring rhetoric;. I’ve heard dozens of more talented orators in the years I spent in urban public schools. Many were local pastors giving commencement addresses, some at local BOE meetings. I think a lot of the white media have had little to no exposure to black churches and have nothing to compare BO to other than MLK

    Musically speaking (because speech is a form of music) BO’s style drives me nuts. He clips off the end of each sentence like a novice driver applying the brakes too soon.

    He doesn’t speak; he lectures, yells, scolds or mocks.

    He reminds me of students I’ve had who imitate their favorite musician by endlessly listening to and copying their phrasing, timbre and tone.

    That’s one important way musicianship is developed but until the student forms their own style they remain a craftsperson, not an artist.

    BO is no rhetorical innovator.

  • they didn’t say that they had copies of emails just that there are emails back and forth. Now Mccain announcement pushed back to noon instead of 11:00

  • carbynew

    rjk1957 Says:

    August 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am
    Fox just mentioned that palin’s sister was married to a state trooper and during their messy divorce members of Palin’s staff pressured State police to fire him.
    ******************************************************
    Let me say this….Emil Jones, Jerimiah Wright, Weathermen, NOI, Kwame Kilpatrick, the Child Molester, Rezko and a host of others.

  • lil ole grape

    And If Obama Loses? By Patrick Buchanan
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/and_if_obama_loses.html

    Perfect presentation of the Catch-22 the Dems created for the whole country — we are damned if we elect him and damned if we don’t.

  • basil9

    Also,

    Meg Whitman was one of the 3 people McCain cited as a top adviser during the Saddlesore debate.

  • lil ole grape

    Perfect presentation of the Catch-22 the Dems created for the whole country — we are damned if we elect him and damned if we don’t.
    And If Obama Loses? By Patrick Buchanan
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/and_if_obama_loses.html

  • lil ole grape

    testing

  • carbynew

    I still say Meg Whitmen needs public service experience. Love the Comerence Secretary because small business took a back seat under GWB

  • lil ole grape

    Am really interested in your reactions to the Pat Buchanan artricle.

  • nikki22

    Guys,
    I just heard on the Fox News radio update that a private jet was sent to Anchorage last night & people said a woman who looked like Gov Palin was seen getting on the plane.

  • basil9

    OMG!!!!

    I just got a look at MO’s nomination night dress! (refused to tune in last night).

    Is she fashion-challenged or what? She looked like a florists half-dead hospital arrangement assembled from Saturday’s leftovers that the shop-owner was on the verge of tossing when a last-minute order came in.

  • carbynew

    lil ole grape that’s a great article by Pat Buchanan.

    And If Obama Loses?
    By Patrick Buchanan

    DENVER — After the phony roll call vote was taken here to formally nominate Barack Obama — a roll call that did not remotely reflect the true delegate strength of Hillary — the media exploded in an orgy of celebration about the historic character of the moment to which they had just been privileged to be witness.

    “The first black presidential nominee ever of a major party in history!” was proclaimed. Coming on the 45th anniversary of Dr. King’s “I Have a Dream” speech, Barack’s nomination is being hailed as the last great step forward in the long march to equality and justice in America.

    The moral pressure to join the march of history is enormous.

    Nor is it unfair to say that some journalists here are obsessed with the issue of race in this campaign. There may be wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, rising tensions with Russia, a falling regime in Pakistan, and reports of U.S. and NATO warships headed for the Persian Gulf, but here it is all about the first black ever nominated for president.

    During the primaries, Bill Clinton was charged with racism by liberal Democrats for saying that Barack’s claim to being consistent on Iraq was a “fairy tale” and for implying that Barack’s victory in South Carolina was no big deal because Jesse Jackson had carried the state twice.

    Here at the convention, the media watched Hillary and Bill’s speeches with a commissar’s care — to ensure they not only embraced Barack but “validated” his credentials to be president. Should they not go all out for Obama, we are told, the Clintons are dead in the party.

    The psychic investment in Barack’s candidacy is immense.

    So great is the moral pressure to conform that John Lewis, the young hero of Selma Bridge, buckled and recanted his endorsement of Hillary. And that act of disloyalty and betrayal, a capitulation to race solidarity, is regarded as praiseworthy.

    Black radio has become a cheering section for Obama. Every GOP ad mocking Obama is inspected for racial motives. Campaign books that portray Obama as a radical or phony are denounced by people who have not even seen them. The thought police are out in force.

    Michelle Obama’s speech about her upbringing and beliefs — crafted by Barack’s hires — is said to be the last word on what a mainstream patriotic woman she is. But why, then, would she have taken her two lovely daughters to be baptized by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and to listen on Sundays to his racist rants against America?

    Abroad, we are told, Europe and the Third World are awaiting the moment when America turns her back on her racist past and elevates this black man to the presidency. The subtext is that this is not just a political contest, but a moral test for America.

    Indeed, many have begun to see this election in solely racial terms, an issue of whether racism once again triumphs in America, or racism is buried one and for all.

    Questions arise. With this immense moral and emotional investment in a Barack victory — by 94 to 1 in one poll black America is behind him — what happens if the nation decides he is too radical, too inexperienced, too callow, too risky to be president?

    What happens if the American people reject their marching orders and say no to Barack and black America? What happens if all the hopes and dreams, hype and hoopla, end in disillusionment?

    Would the defeat of Barack Obama be taken as an affront to black America? Could we be in for a time of deepening racial division rather than healing? Could we be in for a long, hot autumn like the long, hot summers some of us recall from 40 years ago?

    One black preacher here suggested as much to me.

    Should that happen, the people who have framed this election as a contest between morality and racial justice on one side, and the clammy hand of America’s racist past on the other, will bear the same moral responsibility as did the advocates of mass civil obedience for the racial riots of the 1960s that followed.

    Barack has just shot 6 points ahead of McCain. But he has not yet closed the sale. And to prevent his closing of the sale, the GOP must raise doubts in the public mind as to whether he is really a man of Middle America or the closet radical of the Rev. Wright’s congregation who said of Pennsylvanians that they are bitter folks, who cling to their Bibles, bigotries and guns because the world has left them behind.

    No candidate has ever been nominated by a major party with fewer credentials or a weaker claim to the presidency, or more doubts as to his core beliefs. If Obama wins, the country could be in real trouble. And if he loses, the country could be in real trouble.

    What the media celebrate today, they may rue tomorrow.

  • basil9

    Hi grape!

    I’m waiting for the propane company but will get back to you later when i can concentrate.

  • admin

    No matter what. McCain has kept this secret for much longer than Obama. Biden was known to be the candidate at 8:00 p.m. on Friday when the secret service arrived at Biden’s house. Big Media kept it secret for several hours until John King broke the secret.

    Palin would be a daring, bold, courageous, choice. We’ll add it would also be a powerful and brilliant choice. It is still unthinkable that John McCain has it in him to do something so, well, unthinkable. Palin is also a maverick (the Alaska Republlican Party does not like her).

    This is the type of news that would be worth the hype. Shocking if true.

    Palin would be the biggest slap to the unDemocratic Party ever and she would gladden our hearts.

  • mj

    If McCain shooses Palin he has proven himself extremely wise.

  • meiyingsu

    admin,

    even though I don’t really like for McCain to pick Palin because I think Hillary should be the one who will break the glass ceiling, but a Palin ticket will generate excitation and huge news coverage.

  • NewMexicoFan

    I think it would also soften the racism stuff. There are two discriminations going on here, women, and blacks. I think that selection would go a long way toward hurting that argument. After all, there would not be two white guys up there.

    As for what Europe thinks, I could care less. I lived there, and they have their prejudice also, women being one of them. There also show prejudice against Blacks coming from certain geographical areas. So I think they need to examine their own house first.

  • carbynew

    lil ole grape, I will address the most offense part of the article.:

    Would the defeat of Barack Obama be taken as an affront to black America? Could we be in for a time of deepening racial division rather than healing? Could we be in for a long, hot autumn like the long, hot summers some of us recall from 40 years ago?

    One black preacher here suggested as much to me.

    Should that happen, the people who have framed this election as a contest between morality and racial justice on one side, and the clammy hand of America’s racist past on the other, will bear the same moral responsibility as did the advocates of mass civil obedience for the racial riots of the 1960s that followed.
    *****************************************************
    The answer to that question is no, but there is some who will use it for political gains by the left.

    To shut that crap down…the Republicans need to bring up Cynthia McKinney is also running for President for the Green Party and this is also an historic achievement for her also. Who by the way, is more experience then Obama.

    I like to twist the knife.

  • lil ole grape

    ‘morning, B9

    re “and if O loses:”
    Do you think the threat has teeth or is it just a game?
    Barbarity in retaliation is a no-winner for anybody. I can’t see AA’s throwing away all the progress of the last 40 years over this thing, and yet…

  • debbie

    Strategically I think the McCain campaign timed this perfectly…

    the news is split between last nights convention and the annoucement today…

    and if McCain selects a woman…talk about another historic moment especially for the republican party

  • mj

    Jesus, nothing would say change for the GOP like Palin. Wow. I am floored. I never thought McCain had it in him.

  • nikki22

    Does anybody have CNBC on? Ben Ferguson, a conservative talk show host, is reporting that CNBC says it’s Palin and the Chicago Tribune has Palin too.

  • kostner

    meiyingsu,

    I disagree.

  • Idunn

    Palin would be the biggest slap to the unDemocratic Party ever and she would gladden our hearts.

    Gladden our hearts indeed! 🙂

  • HillaryforTexas

    admin,

    even though I don’t really like for McCain to pick Palin because I think Hillary should be the one who will break the glass ceiling, but a Palin ticket will generate excitation and huge news coverage.

    meiyingsu, No one wants it to be Hillary more than I do. But may I respectfully ask that you think about the fact that just such feelings are a big reason why Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer and other powerful women did not strongly back Hillary? Yeah, they wanted equality, but they wanted it to be THEIR woman power, not just any woman’s. Her power threatened THEIR spot as queen bee.

    I for one will jump for joy if McCain picks Palin, for all my sisters everywhere, whether Dem or Republican.

  • carbynew

    meiyingsu Says:

    August 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
    admin,

    even though I don’t really like for McCain to pick Palin because I think Hillary should be the one who will break the glass ceiling, but a Palin ticket will generate excitation and huge news coverage.
    *****************************************************
    The Democrat blew that, not the Republicans…either way I have a lot of respect for some Republicans like Pat Buchanan and John McCain standing up for the Clintons.

    I heard more kind comments from Republicans then from our own Democratic? Taliban Party Leadership…and that fiasco of a roll call was just demeaning and dissmissive….and showed the Democratic? Taliban Party “TRUE” face.

    NO, RESPECT and MEANSPIRITED!!!

  • Idunn

    Jesus, nothing would say change for the GOP like Palin. Wow. I am floored. I never thought McCain had it in him.

    The old maverick is just full of surprises, isn’t he? 😉

  • debbie

    I’m not afraid of the backlash from the AA community by a handful of thugs. I watched how those same idiots tore up South Central LA after the unfortunate verdict of the cops in the Rodney King beating, and they only hurt themselves, I watched nationwide how they tear up their own communities after their sports team “won”

    threats of violence are purely intimidation, and if BHO does not speak to a threat like this surely he is someone that does not need keys to the white house.

    to quote MO…if you can’t take care of your own house …how can you take care of the white house.

  • kostner

    I am loyal to Hillary. Having said that, the first woman politician I fell in love with was Thatcher. I always admire woman politicians with intelligence and toughness, regardless of ideology.

    From a couple of stuff I’ve seen about Palin, she fills in that bill.

  • Paula

    Looks like Palin. We’ll see! If so, what a ballsy choice by McCain.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes

    Glad that it’s not Romney or Pawlenty, at least.

  • debbie

    oh this will be interesing if it is Palin, what a VP debate that would be!

  • kostner

    foxnews confirms it’s Sarah Palin!!!

    Wow!!!!
    Wow!!!

    Anticipate the onslaught from boys’ clubs at MS_OBAMA station, CNN etc.

  • pm317

    UPDATE:

    SavagePolitics.com CAN NOW OFFICIALLY CONFIRM, BEFORE ALL OTHER NEWS SOURCES, THAT SARAH PALIN WILL BE JOHN MCCAIN’S RUNNING MATE. PLEASE GO TO THIS NEW URL, ADMINISTERED AND DESIGNED BY JOHN MCCAIN’S CAMPAIGN, AND THE CHOICE BECOMES A REALITY. McCainPalin.com

    CONGRATS TO BOTH SARAH PALIN AND TO JOHN MCCAIN!

    {from savagepolitics}

  • Idunn

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • NewMexicoFan

    Yes, have you noticed, O never comes out against those statements about Riots, but then his church really is militant.

    The unity stuff, and the handling of the Dem nomination, and the convention was about as wrong as you get. They are viewed as hoods, who have bullied their way to the top.

    The Rep process looks clean, and if they add a women, I see a big lead coming for McCain.

  • Idunn

    Wow…I speechless.

  • carbynew

    Fox is saying it’s not confirmed but they are saying a official McCain person will be Palin.

  • Paula

    Wow is right. Obama gave McCain an opening here by not picking Hillary and he just drove a truck right through it.

    Palin’s also just 44, even younger than Obama, so she adds some much-needed youth as well. And she’s not only a woman she’s a QUALIFIED woman. So it’s the Washington “insider” who thinks outside the box when it comes to VP.

  • freckles

    IDunn…I would be happy to fill you in on anything significant happening but what we are watching is the shockingly adolescent nattering we call TV news.

    As delighted as I am that McCain has knocked Obama right off cable and network, it is all about the obsession of newspeople to tell us what will happen as to opposed to what is happening or what has happened. It is about 90 minutes before McCain makes his announcement and all their energy is going into breaking the news even by 20 minutes.
    Narcissistic children!

    Since I didn’t watch Barack last night, I should have had endless replays and analysis and deconstruction of every sentence. From the coverage I’ve seen, many people will be unaware that he spoke.

    The written word, on the other hand, is quite spectacular. David Brooks is funny, Pat Buchanan is insightful, and an author on LBJ says in a column EXACTLY what Hillary said for which she was so roundly criticized and called racist. He describes in detail why there couldn’t have been the civil rights laws without LBJ — who incidentally made MLK cry when he announced the legislation.

    I recommend the article in todays NYTimes for its nuggets of information, eg. what a dreadful racist LBJ was in his first 20 years in office which is why those old southern Dem committee chairmen made him so powerful. But he changed and became committed to civil rights and what made MLK cry is the fact of the legislation and LBJ’s close: “We shall overcome.”

    Hillary was completely correct — few defended her when she was called racist for stating the facts. May it come back to bite BO in the pumA.

  • Norma Desmond

    Hi all

    Well…we in Denver, we at Big Pink, and women and men everywhere have held the political feet to the fire and McCain heard us.

    Obama is toast.

  • Paula

    McCain did indeed hear us, while the Dems ignored us – at their peril!

  • pm317

    Kostner, the first woman leader I got to know was Indira Gandhi. Incidentally the party elders thought they could use her pedigree (Nehru’s daughter) and her last name (though she was not related to Gandhi) and that she would be their puppet being a woman and so on. But she showed them. There was a dark cloud during her tenure, the 70s Emergency rule (like martial law) and she with her son did some very bad things that the Indian Democracy, crazy as it is, threw her out but she reformed and came back once more before she got shot by a separatist (during the Punjab separatists struggle). {For trivia, she was a scorpio.}

  • Paula

    And the effect of Palin will be more than just immediate because it will remind people every day till Nov. 4 that Obama passed over Hillary. An Obama-Hillary ticket would’ve been unbeatable, but Obama was too arrogant to even consider it.

  • Illinois Underground

    Rejoice and be glad, all ye people!

    A Republican source confirms that John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate. Campaign officials, however, remain mum this morning. Latest developments:
    h t t p : / /link.chicagotribune.com/r/WDVMTC/UTT58/9MSJWE/TGA7/9H87V/6C/t

  • HillaryforTexas

    WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I am so freaking happy for women everywhere!

    I wish it was Hill, but Godammit, it is high time someone HEARD us! McCain did. The Dems didn’t.

  • Paula

    BTW, McCain’s done a better job of keeping this under wraps than Obama did. Remember, Biden was considered the front-runner for a good week or so; Palin’s name, on the other hand, has hardly been mentioned.

  • Illinois Underground

    Paula, begging your pardon, a Hillary/Obama ticket would have been unbeatable, but for Howard Dean’s hubris and hate.

  • JanH

    Well, it still breaks my heart that Hillary isn’t a part of the 2008 election dynamic. Still, if McCain has chosen Palin, Obama is going to be between a rock and a hard place when it comes to attacking her candidacy. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

    Should have chosen Hillary and now it will be his downfall.

  • basil9

    I Looooooooove McCain!!!!!!!!

    And I’m sure Cindy had a huge role in helping Johnny with his choice. She’ll be an outstanding first lady!

    I’m not switvhing my registration ’til after the GE so Dems can count me as one of millions of former party members who crossed lines to vote Repub!

    BRAVO to McCain!!!!!!!!

  • Paula

    Yesterday, I was trying to figure out how I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain-Romney or McCain-Pawlenty. Now I don’t have to worry!

  • basil9

    H4T.

    Me Toooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Paula

    Illinois, That goes without saying, lol. 🙂

  • pm317

    last night, my husband was thinking aloud that Repubs may be the once who will have the honor of having the first woman president. They have taken the first step (indirectly they have helped the Dems if they want to seize that mantle next time). Shame on the Democrats. A Clinton/Obama ticket considering the circumstances would have been the smart thing to do (though I object to his candidacy for anything.) but they are fools for what they have done now. I predict a lot of enthusiasm for the McCain/Palin ticket.

  • birdgal

    YAHOO! McCain has been LISTENING to Hillary supporters, unlike the undemocratic party. I am THRILLED! I wish it could have been Hillary, but she shattered the glass, so that this could happen. Change, hope, outsider just went out the window. McCain is pulling a MAVERICK move. GOOD for him and the Republican party. THIS IS REAL CHANGE WITH SUBSTANCE!!!

  • freckles

    Yes, it is Palin.

  • Paula

    basil, Good point about Cindy. By the same token, it was widely rumored MO was against Hillary as VP, which I have no trouble believing.

  • kostner

    McCain has balls, period.

  • moononpluto

    I knew it, i knew it, we’ve been saying it for days.

    way to go mcCain you just wiped Obama off the map.

  • carbynew

    I just came back from the dark side…you know PMSNBC and CrybabyCNN and they are not happy.

    Obama IS Toast!!!

  • Norma Desmond

    LMAO – MSNBC (which I never watch) is apoplectic!

    “But no one knows her! The liberals will tear her apart!”

    HAHAHAHAHAH~~~~~

  • JanH

    Interesting that on Fox at least the excitement is riveting…so much more so than when Biden was announced…lol…

    And it has certainly taking the news cycle away from Obama which is a good thing.

  • basil9

    jan,

    IMHO McCain’s choice is the ultimate vindication for Hillary.
    The only thing that could have toped it would have been if he chose HRC and we all know he couldn’t do that.

    How much you wanna bet that Cindy was furious at the dems treatment of hrc? IMHO this is more than just a trick choice. it is an honest and courageous choice.

    She will have a wonderful future if Johnny gets to the WH.

  • birdgal

    SHAME ON THE DEMOCRATS. ARROGANCE WILL BE OBAMA’S DOWNFALL. I CAN HARDLY WAIT.

  • Paula

    kostner, Totally.

    Just heard on the radio Palin was a Miss Alaska runner-up. Didn’t know that, lol.

  • JanH

    I can’t wait to see Brazille blow up on this one!

  • basil9

    HrC will have a wonderful future. 😳

  • birdgal

    I may have to start watching the news again.

  • Paula

    “The liberals will tear her apart”? That IS priceless.

  • basil9

    Let’s see if oprah is equally impressed and supportive of Palin’s historic achievement.

    👿

  • Norma Desmond

    It will be VERY interesting to see what Obama the Horrible make Hillary do NOW on the Campaign trail!

    My bet is that they will make HER go attack her

  • JanH

    Basil,

    I have mixed feelings about all of this. Having thought about it though, it is not disrespectful of McCain to choose a woman. What it does is bring out the disrespect the democrats showed to Hillary in spades. It really makes Obama and his thugs, including front and center M.O. look very very small and mean. It also makes them look very stupid. They have underestimated the will of the voters and of the Republicans.

    I’ll bet that Hillary and Bill are really enjoying this.

  • admin

    NEW ARTICLE IS UP.

  • carbynew

    I will make it my duty to help swing the WOMEN vote over to the Republican Party….I can’t believe I WILL be supporting the REPUBLICANS this year.

    From REPUGS to REPUBLICANS

  • moononpluto

    The best thing the Dems are now going ballistic of why Hillary is not on the ticket. Obama’s gonna get busted on this.

  • debbie

    it appears that the only thing the democrats can rely on now is their staunch loyalists.

    if it is in fact Palin ( I will wait for McCain to announce) then all those who have questions about the judgement of BHO now have a place to go. all those that think it is time for a woman to be on the ticket, now have a place to go.

    it will be good for our country to see the republicans “finally” acknowledge the contributions women make

  • wbboei

    if the republicans nominate a woman vice president then every democrat should hang theiir head in shame.

    do you remember Coward Dean calling the republican party the “white peoples party”. Well coward one bad turn deserves another.

    What do you think the democratic party is under your leadership? On your logic they are the anti-woman party. Action speak louder than words.

    Your party is the one that trashed the most qualified person in the race who happened to be a woman. You CHEATED her the presidency and the vice presidency, coward.

    This could enhance Hillary’s chances to become senate majority leader. Any thoughts on that turndownobama?

  • basil9

    hehehehe

    Fox anchorette stressing that this week is the 88th anniversary of women getting the right to vote and it’s also Johnny’s birthday.

  • Emjay

    A quick Sarah Palin bio:
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    By STEVE QUINN, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago

    JUNEAU, Alaska – In just two short years, Sarah Palin moved from suburban hockey mom and small-town mayor to vice presidential contender. The 44-year-old Republican, Alaska’s first female governor, arrived at the Capitol in 2006 on an ethics reform platform after defeating two former governors in the primary and general elections. On Friday she was ready to leap to the national stage as GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s surprise choice for running mate, according to two senior campaign officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement was pending.
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    She already has a national reputation for bucking her party’s establishment and Alaska’s powerful oil industry back home.

    With ethics the centerpiece of her campaign, Palin defeated incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski, who served 22 years in the U.S. Senate before winning the governor’s seat in 2002.

    Her task didn’t seem any easier in the general election, but she handily beat Tony Knowles, a popular Democrat who already served two terms as governor.

    During her first year in office, Palin distanced herself from the powerful old guard of the state Republican Party, even calling on Sen. Ted Stevens to explain to Alaskans why federal authorities were investigating him.

    Since then, their relationship has warmed, and they have appeared together at several events. Stevens even said lawmakers should follow Palin’s lead in her efforts to get a natural gas pipeline built.

    Stevens is scheduled to go on trial Sept. 22 in Washington, D.C., on charges he failed to disclose more than $250,000 in home renovations and gifts from executives at oil services contractor VECO Corp. He won the GOP primary on Tuesday with more than 60 percent of the vote. He’s pleaded not guilty.

    Palin also asked Alaska’s congressional delegation to be more selective in seeking earmarks after what came to be known as the “Bridge to Nowhere” turned into a national embarrassment and a symbol of piggish pork-barrel spending.

    She also successfully took on the oil industry, leading to a tax increase on oil company profits that now has the state’s treasury swelling.

    Typically seen walking the Capitol halls in black or red power suits while reading text messages on Blackberry screens in each hand, Palin made a recent appearance in Vogue, the fashion magazine.

    And she oversees a state that’s hardly shy about admiring her swept-back hair and celebrated smile. Bumper stickers and blogs have proclaimed Alaska and Palin: “Coldest State, Hottest Governor.”

    Palin describes herself as a “hockey mom” and an occasional commercial fisherwoman. She lives in Wasilla, a town of 6,500 about 30 miles north of Anchorage, with her husband, Todd, a blue-collar North Slope oil worker who competes in the Iron Dog, a 1,900-mile snowmobile race. He is part Yup’ik Eskimo.

    Her previous political experience consisted of terms as Wasilla’s mayor and councilwoman and a stint as head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

    Palin’s troubles with the GOP began when Murkowski named her chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. There, Palin exposed current Alaska Republican Party Chairman Randy Ruedrich, who was also an AOGCC commissioner, for ethical violations.

    In 2005, Palin co-filed an ethics complaint against Murkowski’s longtime aide and then attorney general, Gregg Renkes, for having a financial interest in a company that stood to gain from an international trade deal he was helping craft.

    The Palins have five children: Track, 19; Bristol 17; Willow 14; Piper, 7, and Trig, who was born in April with Down syndrome.

    Track enlisted in the Army in 2007 on the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and has been assigned to Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks.

    Palin was born Feb. 11, 1964, in Idaho, but her parents moved to Alaska shortly after her birth to teach. She received a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987.

  • Emjay

    btw

    I heard on PBS last week that Sarah and Randy Ruedrich still don’t speak to each other. She says as Rep Party Chief, he has nothing to do with the governing of Alaska, so communication w/ him is not necessary anyway.

    Ha!