Suicide Watch

We use the word “suicide” with trepidation. Anyone who has known a friend on a destructive path, or anyone who has had a family member or friend or even an acquaintance who has committed suicide knows how painful that desperate act is.

There are always a million “what ifs?” after a suicide. Family and friends usually feel there is something they could have done “if only”. And there is always remorse.

At some point today, possibly employing methods antithetical to Democracy, the Democratic Party will vote for its candidate for president. The Democratic Party will vote to nominate Hillary Clinton for president or the Party will commit suicide.

Hillary Clinton’s majestic speech last night does not help the unqualified-to-be-president Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton’s kind words about Barack Obama last night merely underline the obvious: Hillary must be the Democratic Party nominee if there is any chance to win the White House this year.

But the Democratic Party is on course to self-slaughter.

True Blue Democratic Delegate Anne Price-Mills:

“They may have to call me.”

* * *

A woman qualified to be president spoke last night to the Democratic Party and especially to the Democratic grassroots. A woman qualified to be president and who can win, not lose, this important election amazed the nation last night. A woman Americans can trust who has a 35 year record of accomplishments. A woman ready to lead on Day 1. A woman Americans can trust spoke last night.

The Underground Railroad:

My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.[snip]

This is a fight for the future. And it’s a fight we must win.

I haven’t spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women’s rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.

And you haven’t worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.[snip]

Tonight we need to remember what a Presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you — the American people, your lives, and your children’s futures.

For me, it’s been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America’s greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people — your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.

You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and . . . you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.

I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn’t have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.

I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: “Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there….and then will you please help take care of me?”

I will always remember the boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage and that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn’t know what his family was going to do.

I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administrtation.

To my supporters, my champions — my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits – from the bottom of my heart: Thank you.

You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.

Along the way, America lost two great Democratic champions who would have been here with us tonight. One of our finest young leaders, Arkansas Democratic Party Chair, Bill Gwatney, who believed with all his heart that America and the South could be and should be Democratic from top to bottom.

And Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a dear friend to many of us, a loving mother and courageous leader who never gave up her quest to make America fairer and smarter, stronger and better. Steadfast in her beliefs, a fighter of uncommon grace, she was an inspiration to me and to us all.

Our heart goes out to Stephanie’s son, Mervyn, Jr, and Bill’s wife, Rebecca, who traveled to Denver to join us at our convention.

Bill and Stephanie knew that after eight years of George Bush, people are hurting at home, and our standing has eroded around the world. We have a lot of work ahead.

Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation’s history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.

Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.

I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.

To promote a clean energy economy that will create millions of green collar jobs.

To create a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance.

To create a world class education system and make college affordable again.

To fight for an America defined by deep and meaningful equality – from civil rights to labor rights, from women’s rights to gay rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families. To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential.

To make America once again a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

To bring fiscal sanity back to Washington and make our government an instrument of the public good, not of private plunder.

To restore America’s standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home and honor their service by caring for our veterans.

And to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.

Most of all, I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight long years.[snip]

I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.

This won’t be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don’t fight to put a Democrat in the White House.[snip]

…America can’t compete in a global economy by padding the pockets of energy speculators, while ignoring the workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas. We need a President who understands that we can’t solve the problems of global warming by giving windfall profits to the oil companies while ignoring opportunities to invest in new technologies that will build a green economy.

We need a President who understands that the genius of America has always depended on the strength and vitality of the middle class.[snip]

Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. [snip]

Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend.

He has served our country with honor and courage.

But we don’t need four more years . . . of the last eight years.

More economic stagnation …and less affordable health care.

More high gas prices …and less alternative energy.

More jobs getting shipped overseas …and fewer jobs created here.

More skyrocketing debt …home foreclosures …and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families.

More war . . . less diplomacy.

More of a government where the privileged come first …and everyone else comes last.

John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn’t think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it’s okay when women don’t earn equal pay for equal work.

With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they’re awfully hard to tell apart.

America is still around after 232 years because we have risen to the challenge of every new time, changing to be faithful to our values of equal opportunity for all and the common good.

And I know what that can mean for every man, woman, and child in America. I’m a United States Senator because in 1848 a group of courageous women and a few brave men gathered in Seneca Falls, New York, many traveling for days and nights, to participate in the first convention on women’s rights in our history.

And so dawned a struggle for the right to vote that would last 72 years, handed down by mother to daughter to granddaughter – and a few sons and grandsons along the way.

These women and men looked into their daughters’ eyes, imagined a fairer and freer world, and found the strength to fight. To rally and picket. To endure ridicule and harassment. To brave violence and jail.

And after so many decades – 88 years ago on this very day – the 19th amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote would be forever enshrined in our Constitution.

My mother was born before women could vote. But in this election my daughter got to vote for her mother for President.

This is the story of America. Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up.

How do we give this country back to them?

By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.

And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.

If you hear the dogs, keep going.If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.

If they’re shouting after you, keep going.

Don’t ever stop. Keep going.

If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.

Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

I’ve seen it in you. I’ve seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military – you always keep going.

We are Americans. We’re not big on quitting. [snip]

We don’t have a moment to lose or a vote to spare.

Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance.

I want you to think about your children and grandchildren come election day. And think about the choices your parents and grandparents made that had such a big impact on your life and on the life of our nation.

We’ve got to ensure that the choice we make in this election honors the sacrifices of all who came before us, and will fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope.

That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great – and no ceiling too high – for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.

Thank you so much. God bless America and Godspeed to you all.

Americans who care about issues, Americans who want a qualified Democratic president in the White House are waiting for the Democratic Party to nominate Hillary Clinton.

Today Americans are watching to see if the Democratic Party chooses Hillary Clinton or chooses suicide.

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963 thoughts on “Suicide Watch

  1. Morning Admin, good job.

    So I gather Obama’s speech is going to done from his purpose built temple, how very sacriligous of him.

  2. and yet dels still do not know how rollcall will be. still. this whole nightmare just breaks me up. and a freakin temple for obama? what the hell?
    ambinder claims she is getting full roll with nom speeches. yeah right.
    ambinder also notes mccain may be going for someone for vp outside the box.looks like mcain no matter what now-no matter who he picks. sen graham is pushing liberman who i admire much. romney seems to be it to me or horrid pawlenty.

  3. Barney Frank has claimed that gay men who are planning to vote for the Republican nominee for President of the United States “personally don’t experience much gay discrimination.”

    I beg your pardon.

  4. This Obama temple craziness is something out of Star Trek.

    “He thrives on love, worship, attention”

    (Warning: 15 minute star trek episode below; do not watch if you don’t like Star Trek)

  5. They may as well have him descending on a stairwell from the sky with trumpeting angels, cherubs and a harp for fucks sake.

    The mans narcissistic ego knows no bounds, leaving the public to wonder what the fuck is going on.

  6. moononpluto Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 4:04 am
    Morning Admin, good job.

    So I gather Obama’s speech is going to done from his purpose built temple, how very sacriligous of him.

    *********************************************

    Obama is probably taking notes of all the best things Hillary has said to put into his speech…

    I can almost bet the house he is going to use her line…”if you elect me I will get up every day in the WH thinking about you and what I can do for you”

    I can just hear it now…

  7. Admin, I just watched Hillary’s speech again and am listening to CNN comments. Thanks for putting up the text and the videos

    I am so grateful for Anne Price Mills for having the courage to speak up about what she is going through as a Hillary delegate. She so clearly articulated the major objections so many of us feel re Obama (apart from all of the associations that he’s had with his gallery of rogues, past and present). It amounts to an extremely thin resume and no real evidence of taking responsibility for his mistakes or votes and so forth.

    I don’t know what will happen with the roll call, but I am more hopeful, and like Carville said about Hillary, “This is what a Hall of Famer looks like.” that pretty much sums it up.

    And surely they are kidding about the temple thing for Obama’s speech.

    Good night all. It’s way past my bedtime. Thanks for everything, Admin!

  8. S said: Obama is probably taking notes of all the best things Hillary has said to put into his speech…

    I can almost bet the house he is going to use her line…”if you elect me I will get up every day in the WH thinking about you and what I can do for you”

    ================

    He already stole that, back in May iirc.

  9. Marvelous admin. A great job you have done and been doing for along time could help the Dems if they give heed.

  10. I taped Her speech and just watched it. There was no way not to keep thinking, “They selected WHO instead of this woman???”

    Opening with the visible pride of Chelsea and Bill was fabulous. Seeing the tears and the near desperation of women was heartbreaking. Listening to her was inspirational.

    It seemed to me that Michelle was first thinking, “Great — we made her surrender to Obama”
    But somewhere in the middle she looked a little awe-struck and was thinking that the praise she receied from yesterday’s speech will now evaporate.

    The endless pleadings of BO’s people about what Hillary “HAS TO DO” reveals that they don’t believe BO can convince anyone and that it’s up to the Clintons. I’ll bet BO is huddled somewhere with his speechwriters, revising. He’s probably issuing orders to double the fireworks and up the special effects to try to match tonight.

    How many SDs wondered why they let themselves be spooked into declaring for BO?

  11. Oh my god She did have a dig at Obama and people caught on

    Scroll to 1:33 in Hillary’s intro video from tonight’s convention speech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8cQZRJz3E.

    Just after the guy says “she’s an inspiration”, you hear Jimi Hendrix in the background musical montage say very clearly, “What I really want to know is…” without finishing the lyric.

    As anyone who’s ever heard the song knows, the next words are: “Are you experienced?”

    With Obama’s lack of experience being his biggest vulnerability, I have a difficult time imagining that the insertion of that specific line into her intro video is an accident.

    “What I really want to know is are you experienced?”??

    At Barack Obama’s convention?

    Holy subliminal messages!

  12. This was funny.

    Following the Hillary speech, Greta Van Susteren showed the McCain ad which includes video of Hillary criticizing Obama during the primary for having no experience and asked her guest Terry McAuliffe what experience Obama has now that he didn’t have when Hillary made that statement in the spring. McAuliffe could not answer that one, in fact he repeatedly refused to answer it, beyond saying that is just the stuff you say during primaries. The exchange went on for a while with Greta even asking why should anyone believe what any politician says during a primary then. That McCain ad showing Hillary criticizing Obama for having no experience, after praising McCain for his experience, is devastating and the question Greta asked is one that should be asked of any Hillary supporter now looking at supporting Obama. “What is Senator Obama’s experience that Senator Clinton said he didn’t have last spring? What does he now have?”

    Tomorrow night Bill Clinton will speak. We all know what he will talk about, because it is all he ever talks about, and it ain’t Obama. The other speaker tomorrow night will be Joe Biden. Biden is known for his love of the sound of his own voice so I expect he will be talking more about himself than Obama. Since tomorrow night is “national security” night at the convention, it would be hard to say much specific about Obama (considering his limited experience in that area), even if Biden wanted to. We may have to wait until the big Obama acceptance speech Thursday night before we hear a prime time argument for an Obama presidency beyond “Vote for him because he is the Democrat.” With so much attention on stagecraft and being that the speech will take place in a huge venue outside the convention hall, I wonder if the case for Obama will be overshadowed by the theatrics. It is definitely a possibility.

  13. Below is the Harriet Christian appearance on Neal Cavuto from yesterday. This video deserves attention. The video starts with Harriet at the Rules Committee. Harriet replys strongly and effortlessly to Cavuto. We love when Harriet says “And?” as well as the windows comment. Enjoy:

  14. I hate it when i cant watch these video’s, everybody posts every on you tube and no where else. I could scream.

  15. filbert and henry,

    Jackson SENIOR said some good things defending Hillary early in the campaign, very calmly deconstructing soem of the ‘racist’ charges. Certianly on the MLK/LBJ issue, others too I think.

  16. Obama’s Bag of Tricks

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_bag_of_tricks.html

    Throughout his campaign, Barack Obama has presented himself to be a new type of politician: transparent, clean, aboveboard, and above all, positive. His campaign would be an idealistic one: no tricks, just plain old-fashioned honesty. Of course, coming from Chicago with its big-city machine politics this would be quite impressive if it were true. Alas, it is not.

    As many are learning from David Freddoso’s new book, The Case Against Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee was a practitioner of the dark arts himself — and he has continued to rely upon tricks as tactics in his ground game.

    The tricks of the trade

    Obama prides himself on his early efforts to expand the voting rolls. As head of Project Vote in Chicago he tried to expand the number of African-Americans on the voting rolls. He has worked well with ACORN – a controversial activist group that is focused on voter registration and mobilization efforts. He said he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

    Read on………………..

  17. good morning all

    adding to the wonderful comments re hillary’s speech. what a knock-out. kill ’em with kindness and show what true leadership is all about. pat buchanan is right. our love for hillary is not transferable.

    btw – was it just me, or did the “twin cities” and “No Way, No How, NObama” references sound reminiscent of anne richards?

    thanks for everything, hillary. you make me so damn proud.

  18. finally mainstream media starts noticing

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-25-ayers_N.htm

    Obama dogged by links to 1960s radical

    Ayers was a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group. Obama chaired its board from 1995-99. National Review reported last week that UIC said records detailing meetings and other business were public, then reversed itself. UIC said Friday there was a misunderstanding.

    Obama and Ayers, now a professor and author, live a few blocks apart in this city’s Hyde Park neighborhood. Conservative activists say their relationship is evidence that Ayers’ radical politics helped mold Obama’s views.

    “Ayers is clearly a relevant issue as it relates to Obama’s pattern of relationships,” says David Bossie of Citizens United.

    American Issues Project spokesman Christian Pinkston says Ayers’ influence is an open question, but “it’s hard to see how one actually could resolve having any sort of relationship with an admitted, remorseless domestic terrorist.”

    The ad notes that Weathermen bombed the Capitol and asks why Obama would “be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol and is proud of it?”

  19. jeesh..i obviously need more coffee

    “No Way, No How, NObama” should read “No Way, No How, No McCain”
    (maybe it was just wishful thinking on the “Nobama”) 🙂

    time to hit the shower.

  20. Moon-that is a killer question: what did he not have then that he has now in terms of experience. The honest answer is nothing except for a stolen election, bribed superdelegates and three failed attempts at the Jeopardy question re Georgia. President Biden and Vice President BarackAmerica. But what about the American People? Poopsie says with that permanent smile: Let them eat cake.

    Any chance these delegates will wake up in the morning and realize that this is not some rock video, it is reality and if they do not vote for Hillary many people will to suffer? If not then the answer is McCain.

  21. pm317 Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    I want a bumper sticker with “No Way, No How, NObama.” how I can get one?
    ====================

    EMail me and I’ll make one at my cafepress site, hillaryormccain.com

  22. Hillary Hater Dick Morris (probably pretending he wrote this before last night).

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/the_better_hillary_does_the_wo.html

    By not putting Hillary on his ticket and then giving her a prime-time speech at the convention on Tuesday, Obama has the worst of both possible worlds. The better Hillary does in her speech, the more people ask why she was passed over for vice president.

    This is written before Mrs. Clinton spoke on Tuesday night, but she will not blow this opportunity to shine in front of a larger national audience than she has ever had. She will crisply articulate her programs and proposals, and will come across as forceful, committed and energetic. Women from coast to coast will watch her and wonder why she isn’t on the ticket.

    It’s a little like a movie that opens with flat ticket sales and bad reviews. Then the star they rejected for the lead role auditions and everyone wonders why she wasn’t given the part.

    Obama has a huge problem with female voters. A Democratic candidate should be running 10 to 15 points better among women than among men. But Obama is losing men by 1 and carrying women by 1. While he’s doing about as well as she should among women under 40, he is actually losing those who are older, a group a Democrat usually sweeps.

    He didn’t help himself with these women by not choosing Hillary. Now, when Hillary spends all of Tuesday night showing what a grievous omission leaving her off the ticket really was, the electoral consequences for Obama are likely to be horrific.

  23. Big article in NYTimes which sums up the Disco Democrats mess of a convention:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/us/politics/27assess.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1219831671-6XhoBVQjMyH6ZxW65yeZGQ

    Modern presidential conventions are mostly political circus, but for Senator Barack Obama, the question is whether the theatrics and drama of this one are overwhelming one of his most important tasks here: connecting with the economic anxiety gripping voters and convincing them that he has concrete and achievable solutions.

    ——————–
    And just like on Monday night, when an emotional appearance by Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and a speech by Michelle Obama dominated the coverage, the roster of speakers seeking to promote Mr. Obama as the answer to the country’s economic ills and Mr. McCain as worse than a third Bush term was barely seen on television.

    That blurring of the intended focus on Mr. Obama’s economic message captures a continuing struggle that Mr. Obama is having: With four nights of free prime-time television coverage, he is trying to define himself personally for voters, and to win over holdout Clinton supporters, while at the same time seeking to define himself substantively. Failing at either could cost him the election.

    Mrs. Clinton’s success during their rivalry in casting herself as the working-class candidate nearly cost Mr. Obama the nomination. Mr. Obama, with what campaign aides say is a sharper message, is now trying to assume that mantle.

    But things will not get any easier for him on Wednesday night, when the focus is on former President Bill Clinton, and just what he will say to sell voters on the younger man whose success so clearly frustrated him during the oft-bitter nomination race. Mr. Obama gets the final word on Thursday, with a nomination speech that aides say will deal heavily with defining the economic stakes.

    The Obama campaign pushed back hard against the televised comment on Monday night by James Carville, architect of Mr. Clinton’s 1992 campaign and its mantra, “It’s the economy, stupid,” that the Obama campaign was squandering its time in the spotlight. After Monday’s emotional program devoted to the ailing Mr. Kennedy and Ms. Obama, Mr. Carville said on CNN, “If this party has a message, it’s done a hell of a job of hiding it tonight, I promise you that.”

    ——————————–
    But along with half the convention nights dominated by the two Clintons’ speeches, a major distraction has been the news media’s attention to the lingering hard-feelings of some Clinton delegates here.

  24. admin,

    I just managed to see that video and looking into that i dont think its hendrix, because i looked up the lyrics, i cant find that line and its actually from Lenny Kravtiz and the correct one is actually from Lenny’s Are you going my way?

    But what I really want to know is
    Are you gonna go my way?

    So Hillary is definitely sending a message here.

  25. Hillary did slap him with that video, look at the lyrics for Are you going my way, its a clear dig at Obama. she’s ridiculing him.

    I was born long ago
    I am the chosen, I’m the one
    I have come to save the day
    And I won’t leave until I’m done
    So that’s why we’ve got to try
    We’ve got to breathe and have some fun
    Though I’m not paid I play this game
    And I won’t stop until I’m done
    (But what I really want to know is)
    Are you gonna go my way
    (Please baby) and I got to (please) got to know (I got to know) yeah

    I don’t know why we always cry
    This we must leave and get undone
    We must engage and rearrange
    And turn this planet back to one
    So tell me why we got to die
    And kill each other one by one
    We’ve got to hug and rub-a-dub
    We’ve got to dance and be in love

    (But what I really wanna know is)
    Are you gonna go my way

    (Please baby) and I got to, got to know (I got to know)

    Are you gonna go my way
    ‘Cause baby I got to know, yeah

  26. Those of you that doubted Hillary’s intentions in following the post primary path,can now relax,take a deep breath,exhale and clear the air of any panic driven thoughts about her loyalty to the party,her plan of unification for the Dems.she vrafted a speech like no other candidate in our history.Truly one for the history books and bt the first woman soo to be our 44th President.Last night Hillary made my 90 yrs on this earth,my 4 yrs of service in WWII and all the tears and support,I could muster,to say proudly.IT WAS WORTH EVERY MOMENT.She is much too smart to make any mistakes in her speeches.She gave a flawless masterpiece of oratorial skills that secures her name in this countrys HALL OF FAME.This country has to choose the next CIC and she cleared the field of pretenders,fakes and subversive wannabees.I must make mention the various video shots of MO and her very evident show of anger,disbelief,jealousy,hatred,doubts,and shock.The Gump quote came to mind.’Stupid is as Stupid LOOKS”.my quote still stands as I stand proud and full-filled by our girl Hillary.

    ” IT WiLL TAKE THIS PRESIDENT OUR GREAT STATESWOMAN HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON TO RESTORE OUR LIVES AND OUR VILLAGE”

    By ABM90. I want to be around when this gorgeous woman places her hand on the Bible with Bill and Chelsea at her side.No other candidate has ever earned that right as has Hillary.She has placed Peace,Prosperity and a better life in our hands to cherish and defend it from the hands of a false and self serving prophet.

  27. Thanks you to Admin for the entire speech and the video of the Hillary delegate post-HRC speech. The more I read and re-read this speech, I read an entire subspeech between the lines. If you hear the dog barking…keep going. If you see the torches…keep going…

    Good analogy of a movie with flat ticket sales where the star turns out to be someone else.

    Sort of like Dreamgirls where Diana was to have been the star, until an unknown back-up singer exposes the REAL R&B singer……we see how an industry – whether Motown or a corrupt DNC rewrite the narrative to suit their needs regardless of talent.

    Well, HRC supporters…to sum it up in a song…Ain’t No Mountain High Enough…..

    We are ready to scale the mountain, and crawl the trenches………..SUPERDELEGATES HAVE GOT TO STAND UP FOR DEMOCRACY.

    On another note………HOW is BHO able to get security clearance when he chaired a foundation for several years founded by a KNOWN American terrorist? Now that this story is FINALLY hitting the media – how can this not be SERIOUSLY challenged? To complicate matters even further in a televised debate, BHO LIED about his involvement to Ayers stating that he was an English Professor…a neighber…PROOF THAT HE KNOWS THAT THE ASSOCIATION SHOULD BAN HIS ABILITY TO BE POTUS.

    WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

    AND…NOW THAT IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IN THE PAST 24 HOURS THAT BHO WAS ADOPTED BY STEP-FATHER SOETORO, LEGALLY NAMED BARRY SOETORO GAINED AUTOMATIC LEGAL INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP AND TRAVELLED WITH AN INDONESIAN PASSPORT TO PAKISTAN – WHICH TOTALLY VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION FOR ELIGIBILITY TO BE PRESIDENT..

    WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

  28. Republican conservative Larry Kudlow understands:

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODkzNWI4YmIwN2NmMWIxYWRlNmE3MDM1OGJlMWZkYjI=

    Whew. I’m glad McCain’s not running against Hillary. She gave a stemwinder. Sure, plenty of Democratic pap. I’ll read the transcript for details to be rebutted. Absolutely, she gave Obama a minimal endorsement. Her speech was about her, not him. And as I wrote this afternoon, only he can make the sale for his candidacy. No one else can do it for him. But the last quarter of her speech had a lot of optimism and confidence about America’s future. No hardships or obstacles can stop America. I like that a lot. Obama never does it; he’s a pessimist. Sometimes John McCain borders on cranky pessimism. But Hillary gave a very strong speech, an American leadership speech, very close to an American exceptionalism speech. Dems never do that. Reagan taught us all how powerful it can be. Hillary has come a long way.

  29. Good morning! Wow! We’re quoting Kudlow… what is this world coming to? The sweetest part of the last 24 hours has been all the sugar heaped on our Hillary from both sides. I know it’s just politics, but it’s still music to my ears.

    * * * * *
    Admin, thank you for the wonderful article. This wonderful woman MUST be our president. I watched it last night and cried. I watched it again this morning and cried. To misquote MLK, we are on the mountaintop and looking at the promised land. Thank you Admin and thank you everyone here at Big Pink.

  30. By the way, I want to comment on MEchelle’s butchering of Hillary’s “18 million cracks” statement. I find it offensive for her to misuse it so when it is her to-cool-for-school-would-be-commander-in-thief husband who has leveraged unfounded and irrational Hillary-hate, broken rules to (barely) steal a primary, and stop our progress toward seeing a woman in the White House in our lifetime. Just stay away from that line.

  31. I have to say, after listening to Hillary’s speech last night, I am more conflicted than ever about how I will vote. I can’t help but think of Admins New Coke/Classic Coke analogy. In terms of what the Democratic Party is selling, Obama over Clinton is just plain old bad marketing. But for me, this goes so much deeper than the Democratic Party, it’s about electing a leader of the free world I can trust. And no matter how the hell you try to sell him…OBAMA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. On anything. Certainly not to lead a country that affects the lives of millions, not only in this country , but around the world.

    So…Hillary gives an impassioned speech urging me to put a democrat in the white house, one who will fight for the things I and other democrats care about. I’d love to be able to do that. But I can’t. OBAMA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. And for me, that’s the bottom line.

    Now, I can vote for McCain and hope for the best. Will I do that? I honestly don’t know if I can. 4 more years of Bush economics might kill us. I can write in Hillary’s name, and feel morally “right” when I walk out of the polling site. But what will that accomplish BEYOND allowing me to feel I made the right choice? Not much. Or, I can go into that polling site and choose to give a boost to a third party, in the hopes that it will create a fertile environment for something OTHER than the 2 mediocre party choices we are now given. The democrats have already lost me…I am now an Independent voter, and I won’t ever look back. But I’m an Independent voter set adrift in a huge, overwhelming sea.

    I don’t know where I will end up now. And that makes me incredibly sad.

  32. Idunn, you sum up the situation very well and our choices are ugly without Hillary.

    In addition,

    the Democratic Party silence and indeed exploitation of misogyny and sexism,

    protection of Obama,

    attacks on Hillary,

    demands Hillary get out,

    acting not as a neutral party but rather an adjunct of Obama,

    hypocritical and selective disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan as long as Hillary was in the race,

    lack of debates on women’s issues,

    disregard of the voters by giving elected Hillary delegates in Michigan over to Obama who was not even on the ballot,

    etc,

    cannot be rewarded.

    Dean/Brazile/Pelosi cannot be rewarded.

    The “new” exclusive Obama coalition must be rejected.

    Obama must be rejected.

  33. Admin , I think what you say you say from the perspective of a loyal Democrat. And I think you speak eloquently to what many other loyal democrats are feeling right now. My perspective is different, though. I am no longer a democrat…loyal or otherwise. I feel no obligation to fight to reclaim a party that 1). no longer respresents me, and 2). seems intent of commiting political suicide by abandoning the fight for it’s core ideals.

    From now on, my ONLY loyalty will be to this country.

    The democratic party can go fuck itself.

  34. I may have said this before, but I will repeat this, O is a depressed personality. You can see the depression in his face. Hillary is not. He talks about how bad America is, and how he is the one to SAVE us. Hillary talks about how great we are and how great we can become. I would rather have an optimist running our country than a Pessimist. (When rasing children you can either build them up or tear them down. We know what works better).

    Economy, well I have 12 hours studying that subject, which does not make me an expert. What I do know is he thinks that throwing money at everything wins elections and will save the economy. It will not. Hillary understood 1) that you must first place the money where it does the most good, which is why she would win states with less money. 2) that the economy is a balance, and you must maintain that balance in order to have a health economy. Os solution is to provide benefits, by taxing everyone. He says say that McCain will not be able to manage the Economy. But McCain knows that a lot of Os core, the elderly do not want there taxes increased.

    HRC had a plan for how to fund every program she had.

    SDs HAVING A O GUARD OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR MUST BE SCAREY. HOWEVER, YOU WERE NOT ELECTED TO THIS POSITION SO YOU COULD GO TO THE CONVENTION AND PARTY. THIS IS OUR DEMOCRACY AT WORK. THAT MEANS SOMETIMES YOU GET BULLIED AND THREATENED.

    THE CLIFF IS IN FRONT OF YOU. ONE STEP FORWARD SEALS THE FATE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    Thank you all for your commentary on the speech. I could not bear to watch.

    I OWN MY VOTE.

  35. Yesterday, I wrote to a friend:

    “I am so sick of hearing HIllary being forced to speak for the phony would-be leader being forced on us that I am falling into a real depression. I can’t think clearly about anything. I’m losing my sense of humor. It’s even affecting my appetite.

    I haven’t felt so deeply about any political scene since the days of the Civil Rights movement, but there was real hope in those days. We were honest and we came out of it triumphant. I see no kind of hope in this current mess. I don’t know how the admin and the HIllaryis44 warriors can carry on, go on tracking poll numbers and comparing notes on the news everyday. I don’t think I can take it anymore. I want to tell myself that it will all pass and that the country will not suffer from this, but I can’t believe that. Not today, anyway.

    Which is more serious? — the damage being done to our faith in American political ideals, the threat to our government and economy or the regressive attitudes toward race and the female gender?

    Everyday I ask myself, are they really going to put that incompetent into the Oval Office? — as if I’m doing some sort of a reality check on myself, as if to wake myself from a nightmare. And if they are, then who is going to be pulling the strings? And where do they mean to lead us?

    But most disgusting of all is the lies, the filthy compromises. I’ve lost all trust in all politicians. I feel dirty inside when I even read or hear about them. I have to go take a walk on the beach and let the clean ocean air wash through me, let the clear honest cries of the gulls drown out the noise of degenerate political officials. A Carolina wren sings its brilliant aria outside my window and it chokes me up — the contrast between such true beauty and the twisted structure we call civilization gives me such pain.”

    This morning I have Dinah Washington singing in my memory, “What a difference a day makes…” American politics is still unwell – that is still true, but its sickness cannot destroy us, not so long as we have, if only once every few generations, “heroes, as they say, “of epic proportions.” Our hero, the leader for our time, as her followers know, is Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is still running forward, torch in hand, though the rabid dogs still bite at her heels. She is the very best of America in word and deed, heart and soul. She is unconquered and unconquerable. No matter who sits in the Oval Office, she is our leader, she is the true voice of America.

  36. That question had to be on many minds last night as Clinton delivered a rousing endorsement of Obama – a speech that moved between inspiration and attack, hitting every note perfectly.

    The backdrop was constant carping that Hillary hasn’t done enough for the candidate she lost the primary to.

    Never mind that she has behaved immeasurably better than losing candidates before her who’d won far less support than she did.

    It’s easy to get confused about this, since so many in the anti-Hillary media who hysterically demanded her exit from the race have conveniently edited out from history anything that doesn’t fit into their nonsense narrative, as if her campaign invented party discord.

    Let’s review.

    Hillary Clinton – amid outrage at her behavior – made her concession speech and endorsed Obama five days after the last primary. The way Obama’s fans in the media tell it, you’d think she took months. Compare to 1984, when Gary Hart waited nearly a month to concede the race to Walter Mondale. Ted Kennedy, who in the ultimate act of disunity challenged an incumbent Democratic president in 1980, waited until the convention to concede to Jimmy Carter.

    When Kennedy finally did concede, it was barely distinguishable from a temper tantrum. CBS’s Walter Cronkite reported, “Kennedy leaves the stand, sober, unsmiling. There will be no pictures in tomorrow morning’s paper, and none for posterity, of Ted Kennedy holding Jimmy Carter’s hand aloft.”

    As Steve Kornacki (one of the few reporters to show an interest in accurate historical analogies this campaign season) aptly pointed out in The New York Observer, when Kennedy and Hart were running much farther back in their bids for the nomination – Kennedy was trailing by 1,000 delegates in ’80; Hart by 600 in ’84 – they didn’t get hit by any serious pressure to drop out.

    Clinton, by contrast, was harassed by media to drop out even as she was winning major states and running neck-and-neck with Obama in the popular vote.

    When she considered taking the fight to the convention, the idea was greeted with disbelief that she’d be so selfish. Yet Hart and Kennedy both fought on at the convention; Kennedy only conceded after failing to change party rules to his favor. It’s this double standard that so enrages Hillary supporters.

    Obama supporters and party leaders continue to insult Hillary voters – and then seem shocked when so many of them say they’re going to vote Republican this year.

    Nancy Pelosi, underscoring why Congress under her leadership has an approval rating teetering on single digits, lectured female Hillary supporters in an interview this week – telling them to not wallow in defeat. Said the multimillionairess daughter of privilege: “I think that women, we have to get away from the politics of victim. This is about you go out there and you fight.”

    Thanks, Nancy. I’m sure all the working-class women who supported Hillary didn’t realize that the real problem is they need to get off their butts and “go out there and fight.” But now they know that being disappointed that their candidate didn’t win – an emotion plenty of men like, say, Ted Kennedy supporters in 1980 have experienced – is actually just being a whiny “victim.”

    This is why John McCain stands at the ready to scoop up any disaffected Clinton supporters.

    Just as the Democrats’ convention was beginning in Denver, the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee unleashed four TV ads geared toward Hillary voters. (Her response: “I am Hillary Clinton and I did not approve this message.”)

    The RNC held a press conference with four Democrats who declared their support for McCain since Clinton isn’t on the ticket. Proving that truth is stranger than fiction, Hillary die-hards gathered at an RNC -sponsored “Happy Hour for Hillary” in Denver. (Clinton was invited, but demurred.)

    And, with last night’s speech, she pulled out all the stops for Obama. She’s done all she could – now the ball’s in his court.

  37. h t t p : / / hotair.com/archives/2008/08/27/obamas-temple-for-the-cult-of-personality/

    Obama’s temple for the Cult of Personality
    Fausta made this connection before I did, and combined with the so-called “sign of progress”, Barack Obama may be better suited to run for the presidency of the United Federation of Planets than the USA. Allahpundit reported last night on the plans for Obama to deliver his acceptance speech in front of a fake Greek temple, and John McCormack has the picture:

    That this scales heights of presumptuousness can hardly be refuted. What genius thought of this motif? Probably the same one that concocted Vero Possumus and the Fleeing Eagle. It’s a paean to an ego run amuck — and if American voters wondered about the cult of personality that Obama has inspired, this settles the question and explicitly makes Obama the cult leader.
    At least their taste in Star Trek episodes has improved. While their “sign of progress” was lifted from one of the dumbest entries in the original-series catalog, this set comes straight from one of their more intriguing episodes, “Who Mourns For Adonis?”

    The parallels are interesting, at least. Obama wants to treat us the way Apollo treated the Enterprise crew — as children who need do nothing but gather food and worship him. He promises them peace, tranquility, and happiness, as long as they agree to become his servants and relinquish their free will. In the end, Kirk and his crew destroy his power source and send him off to his fellow demigods in bitterness rather than allow themselves to become enslaved to Apollo.
    Somehow, I think that American voters will understand those parallels, even if they’ve never seen this episode before in their lives. (post photo from Political Inquirer, via Power Line)

  38. That song, Idunn, really sums up why the approach used by the Dems is failing.

    They stand there and say, they will do as we say, as we want them to, they will fold in, they will be united AFTER THE CONVENTION.

    It sounds exactly how men have felt women should do forever.

    When the AA delegate said that O would have to win or earn her vote, it was almost sacreligious.

    Does she not know that she needs to sit down shut up, and Do as we say????

    DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO SAY, AND DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.

    WE OWN OUR VOTES.

  39. Obama=Apollo….absolutely true.

    Another comparison I made mentally this morning was Obama and The Pied Piper Of Hamelin.


    There is a fascination in the story of the Pied Piper which draws us in. For children, the fascination is wonder. They wonder at the magic that led those children of long ago and they wonder about what wonders those children must have found. For adults the fascination is that of horror.

    That pretty much sums it up.

  40. Buchanan is right, she started a movement. Of woman, of gays, of blue-collar workers, of the ignored, of all the INVISIBLE people that are the backbone of the party of FDR.

    Hillary woke the giantess, and she will not be put back to sleep. When we hear the dogs barking (That mean you, Dean and Pelosi and Olbermann, and Matthews, you mangy cur) we will KEEP going. Make no mistake, this is a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. We will take our party back. They will hear us. There will be consequences to ignoring us. We will keep going. We will not stop.

    We have spent the last year walking through fire with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and we have come through shining like gold and tempered like steel.

    WE ARE NOT AFRAID ANYMORE. Hillary gave us that. Hillary gave us that. We will never be afraid again.

    PUMA HAKA! 👿

  41. henry, a mangy cur is a filthy disgusting stray dog who lurks around garbage dumpsters feeding on what he can, while suffering from a very nasty and revolting parasitic skin disease.

    I apologize for insulting any poor stray dogs. I love dogs.

  42. MAUREEN DOWD

    I’ve been to a lot of conventions, and there’s always something gratifyingly weird that happens.

    Dan Quayle acting like a Dancing Hamster. Teresa Heinz Kerry reprising Blanche DuBois. Dick Morris getting nabbed triangulating between a hooker and toes.

    But this Democratic convention has a vibe so weird and jittery, so at odds with the early thrilling, fairy dust feel of the Obama revolution, that I had to consult Mike Murphy, the peppery Republican strategist and former McCain guru.

    “What is that feeling in the air?” I asked him.

    “Submerged hate,” he promptly replied.

    There were a lot of bitter Clinton associates, fund-raisers and supporters wandering the halls, spewing vindictiveness, complaining of slights, scheming about Hillary’s roll call and plotting trouble, with some in the Clinton coterie dissing Obama by planning early departures, before the nominee even speaks.

    At a press conference with New York reporters on Monday, Hillary looked as if she were straining at the bit to announce her 2012 exploratory committee.

    “Remember, 18 million people voted for me, 18 million people, give or take, voted for Barack,” she said, while making a faux pro-Obama point. She keeps acting as if her delegates are out of her control, when she’s been privately egging on people to keep her dream alive as long as possible, no matter what the cost to Obama.

    Hillary also said she was happy about the choice of Joe Biden because he added “intensity” to the ticket. Ouch.

    She added insult to injury by coming out Tuesday night looking great in a blazing orange pantsuit and teaching the precocious pup Obama something about intensity and message. She thanked her “sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits,” and slyly noted that Obama would enact her health care plan rather than his.

    She offered the electrifying fight that the limpid Obama has not — setting off paranoia among some Democrats that they had chosen the wrong nominee or that Obama had chosen the wrong running mate. “It makes perfect sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together in the Twin Cities because these days they are awfully hard to tell apart,” she said.

    Afterward, some of her supporters began crying, as they were interviewed by reporters, saying that her speech had proved that she would make a better president than Obama. And, as one said, she would only give him “two months” to prove himself.

    Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania, compared Obama to the passive-aggressive Adlai Stevenson and told The Washington Post that Obama gives six-minute answers and “is not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with.”

    At a meeting of the Democratic women’s caucus Tuesday, 74-year-old Carol Anderson of Vancouver, Wash., a former Hillary volunteer, stood in the back of the room in a Hillary T-shirt and hat signed by Hillary and “Nobama” button and booed every time any of the women speakers mentioned Obama’s name.

    She’s voting for McCain and had nothing nice to say about the Obamas. What about the kids, I asked. “Adorable,” she agreed. Well, I said, Michelle raised them.

    “I think her mother does,” Anderson shot back, adding: “I wonder if Michelle would give the Queen one of her little knuckle punches?”

    Bill’s pals said he was still gnawing at his many grievances against the younger version of himself he has to praise Wednesday night; the latest one being that the Obama folks, like all winners, wanted control over Bill’s speech, so that he did not give a paean to himself and his economic record, which is what he wanted to do, because he was incensed that Obama said a couple critical things about his administration during a heated campaign.

    Finally, Obama had to give in on Monday and say he would allow the ex-president to do exactly as he likes, which is what he usually does anyhow.

    Obama’s pacification of Bill made his supporters depressed and anxious that he was going to be a weaker candidate than they had hoped and fearful that, as in Obama’s favorite movie, “The Godfather,” every time Democrats try to get away, the Clintons pull them back in.

    And Democrats have begun internalizing the criticisms of Hillary and John McCain about Obama’s rock-star prowess, worrying that the Invesco Field extravaganza Thursday, with Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi, will just add to the celebrity cachet that Democrats have somehow been shamed into seeing as a negative.

    So that added to the weird mood at the convention, with some Democrats nitpicking Obama’s appearance, after Michelle’s knock-out speech and the fabulously cute girls, with a reassuring white family in a town he couldn’t remember at one point. They wondered why he wasn’t wearing a tie, fearing he looked too young, and second-guessed Michelle’s green dress, wondering if it clashed with the blue stage, and fretted that there wasn’t a speaker Monday night attacking McCain and yelling about gas prices.

    “I’m telling you, man,” said one top Democrat, “it’s something about our party, the shtetl mentality.”

  43. By not putting Hillary on his ticket and then giving her a prime-time speech at the convention on Tuesday, Obama has the worst of both possible worlds. The better Hillary does in her speech, the more people ask why she was passed over for vice president.
    ———————————————-
    Normal behavior for a “flake”.

    Look: If this were the game of golf, and you were standing on the tee off area and there was a lateral hazard or out of bounds stakes on the right side of the fairway, what you normally do is aim to the left side of the fairway when you tee off so you do not end up in trouble. (Note: if you are an experieced golfer you stand on the right side of the tee off so you can increase the angle of flight away from the trouble when you tee off). But whan you are barack you aim right into the hazard and expect it to get out of your way because you are a citizen of the world and the normal rules of logic, physics,politics, big media coverage and the FRC do no apply to you.

    You remember that old song by Eydie Gorme “I Wanna Be Around To Pick Up The Pieces”? Not me. Putin will take care of that.

  44. h t t p : / / blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-jabs-oba.html

    McCain Aide Mocks Obama’s Columned Stage

    ABC News’ David Chalian and Teddy Davis Report:

    When Sen. Barack Obama moves the Democratic National Convention from the Pepsi Center to Invesco Field on Thursday, the freshman senator is planning to speak from a columned stage resembling an ancient Greek temple.

    “Is this from the Onion?” quipped a McCain adviser.

    The reference to the satirical newspaper came after Reuters reported that Obama is planning an elaborate rock concert set-up complete with post-speech fireworks.

    The national anthem will even have a touch of celebrity: Jennifer Hudson, the Oscar-winning actress and former American Idol castoff, will perform the honors at the onset of the evening.

    Starting with a July ad which included footage of Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears, the McCain campaign has been airing a series of television ads which paint Obama as a celebrity lacking in substance.

    The celebrity-like trappings of Obama’s Thursday’s speech may have given the Republicans new ammo.

    August 26, 2008 in McCain, John, Obama, Barack, Vote 2008: Democrats, Vote 2008: Republicans | Permalink | User Comments (444)

  45. Maureen Dowd is a waste of breath with a shriveled up soul full of black bile and green venom.

    Please do not post her noxious spewings in full here. Why the hell would we want to read that?

  46. Picture of Stage at DNC Invesco(low resolution captured from TV, yes, it does look like a Greek temple)…

    h t t p : / / i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr88/edzo4/dncinvesco.jpg

  47. kostner, the Repubs are warming up to rightly mock the chosen one’s big ME ME ME celebration of his personal godhood and overweening gobsmacking breathtakingly ego-driven tackiness at Invesco.

  48. Admin, Thank you very, very much for all your work and support. It is wonderful to read the postings of the Hillaryis44 family. I wake up every morning and start my day, by reading the postings and watching the videos. Great way to start the day. Senator Clinton is a class act and her naysayers cannot stand it. We are doing the right thing, here on Big Pink.

    BTW, is that temple for real or a snark? Sometimes I can’t tell, since this entire election has surreal feel about it.

  49. People who watched her speech last night and who did not keep up with all that went on during the primaries will scratch their heads — why was she not chosen (at least for VP)?

  50. henry Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am
    Warning
    Do not watch the Clinton supporters react video clip on yahoos home page. Gross.

    Henry, i saw the video before i came to this site. Made me sick watching them

  51. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote for the second straight day. When “leaners” are included, though, McCain picked up another point since yesterday and now has a statistically insignificant one-point advantage over Obama, 47% to 46% (sign up for daily e-mail update).

    This is the first time since August 9 that McCain has held any advantage over Obama. The candidates have been within two points of each other on every day but two for the past month (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

  52. I am not a psychatrist but it is clear to me that marureen dowd is so filled with self hated that someday she will splatter her spoonful of brains on the bathroom was walls with a 22 pistol or overdose or something to escape the pain and misery of life. Olberman is the same way. They are depressing people with negative energy.
    Michael Murphy is another guy like that. She calls him peppery (strange choice of words). A better word is nuts.

  53. Idunn, the PUMA’s on riverdaughter have posted your video. I told them in the comments I stole it from you.

    You don’t own me…. I OWN MY VOTE!

  54. [quote]The democratic party can go fuck itself.
    [/quote]

    That’s pretty much my takeaway from the 2008 campaign season.

    As for how to vote, realistically my vote won’t matter in Massachusettes. If the polls are shockingly close here, then I would have to vote for McCain, just as a little present to Kerry and the Kennedies.

    Otherwise, I would like to write in Hillary’s name. I believe that is my wife’s plan, too. Although I’ve already told her that, if she wavers and votes for Obama, I’ll be forced to vote McCain to cancel her out.

  55. hwc, check the statutes in MA. In some states, a write-in for ANY DEMOCRAT automatically goes to Obama.

  56. Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow. And I thought the disco stage was bad. This greek temple bs is uttely beyond the pale.

    Is he going to come out with a wreath of laurel leaves perched on his head?

  57. About Last Night

    Our four day national nightmare is now half over. Herewith, some thoughts on day two of the DNC.

    1) I was doing commentary last night for New England Cable News last night, so I got to watch Hillary Clinton’s speech in the company of a couple of co-panelists who were devoted Hillary Clinton fans. This was a pleasure I don’t normally enjoy. They adored it, and adored her. One or both of them kept saying “Go Hillary!” at various junctures during the oration; I can’t remember whether it was one or both of them because by that point in the evening, the whiskey to numb the pain had officially kicked in.

    Hillary did well for herself last night. She speaks decently – as well as your Chris Dodd or John Kerry type, not as well your John Edwards type, and nowhere near as well as your Barack Obama type. But still she stood out because her speech had substance, or at least a lot more substance than Barack Obama has conditioned us to expect. Careful observers will have noted that 85% of the speech would have worked just fine as a Hillary stump speech. It was a good stump speech by her standards, but it’s hard to imagine how a Hillary Rodham Clinton stump speech at this point benefits Barack Obama. I would wager a lot of Democrats around America compared her smooth effort to Obama’s recent stumbles and concluded, “We should have nominated her.” And I would double my bet that Hillary wouldn’t mind such sentiments receiving widespread public attention.

    Like I said, she did well for herself last night. If Obama should lose in November, Hillary will be even more of a shoo-in for the Democratic nomination in 2012 than she was this year.

    It also must be said that the film preceding her speech was excellent. Her film was made by her Hollywood friends; Monday’s dreary tribute to Ted Kennedy came from Ken Burns who normally works for PBS. Advantage free market! Of course, the mini-epic was all about her, and didn’t even pretend to have anything to do with Barack Obama. Still, I’m sure George Stephanopoulos and Paul Begala both gushed simultaneously on different networks last night, “What a team player!”

    At the risk of sowing discord in the Democratic ranks, allow me to offer that Hillary did not do all that she could have done for Barack Obama. Indeed, she did the bare minimum. The speech was only a success for Obama if you considered it a possibility that she would come out and explicitly endorse McCain. Think of it this way – she and Obama have been senate colleagues for four years and spent 18 months together on the campaign trail. And she still couldn’t manage to offer a single anecdote of why she liked him or thought he should be president? Every time she said “Barack Obama,” you could have slid in “Our Generic Nominee” and the speech would have worked just as well. If she really was into all this team player stuff, she would have told America why she now appreciates the error of her ways and knows that Barack Obama should be taking that 3-in-the-morning phone call.

    Putting aside Hillary’s half-hearted effort at teamwork, the whole exercise, like most of the convention to date, was pointless. Her supporters don’t belong to her – they’re not hers to “give” to Barack Obama. (Since the dead-enders simply don’t like Barack Obama, a personal endorsement from her might have helped in that regard but once again, that was obviously too much for her to muster.) If Obama is to make headway with these people, he’ll have to make the sale on his own. Maybe his umpteenth speech on Hope and Change on Thursday will get the job done.

    2) It would be easy to pick on Mark Warner for giving such a dreadful speech last night that it should have been titled “No Cliché Left Behind.” But instead, let’s pick on the Democratic party. How clueless and desperate have the Democrats become? Their search for a narrative is going so poorly, they allowed Warner to give his senate stump speech as its convention’s keynote address. Maybe the Democrats have just given up on putting forth a coherent and consistent message. Brian Schweitzer was at least entertaining, albeit a touch crazed.

    3) Since I was commentating for a Boston-based station last night, I got to watch Massachusetts’ beloved regent (with the Bushian approval ratings) Deval Patrick give his address. As I understand this is a thrill that eluded those watching the national networks, let me fill you in on what you missed. Patrick speaks extremely well, talks a lot about his own inspiring biography, and offers a lot of vagaries about “hope” and “aspirations.” He is seemingly allergic to specific policy pronouncements, instead focusing on the really important stuff like the need for us all to come together as “a community.” Sound vaguely familiar? During the campaign, you probably remember Obama lifting material from one of Patrick’s stump speeches. It is thus somewhat ironic that with last night’s speech, the diminutive Patrick has established himself as the lanky Obama’s de facto Mini Me.

    4) With the convention half done, the Obama campaign is still desperately seeking a narrative. Have you noticed how every speaker has mentioned how much they love America? That’s new for the Democratic party. However touching these displays of patriotism have been, this is playing on McCain’s home turf. As the Republicans will probably remind America next week, John McCain has shown his love of country by actually serving it, Obama by talking about when it became politically convenient to do so.

  58. Required Reading: Redefining the Dead Cat Bounce

    From Rasmussen Reports, “Daily Presidential Tracking Poll” by Scott Rasmussen

    While dominating the last several news cycles by selecting Joe Biden as his running mate and holding the first night of his convention, Barack Obama still managed to lose four points in the Rasmussen tracking polls. Today, John McCain actually holds a one point lead. These results jibe with my theory that Barack Obama has become overexposed. Having been overexposed, a spell of All-Obama-All-the-Time like we’re in the midst of right now only exacerbates His problems. Obama has become a political version of a past its prime teen band.

    Lest conservatives get over confident, Thursday will play to Obama’s strengths – the man can deliver a speech. It will be a surprise if Obama doesn’t get at least some benefit from the Invesco spectacular. But if at the end of the week, the Obama campaign remains stuck on hope, change and a visceral dislike for George W. Bush, John McCain will have a great chance to set the tone for the rest of the campaign when he takes over the spotlight on Friday.

  59. Hillary4Texas
    Yet another aspect of the whole process which needs to be rectified when this seemingly interminable charade finally ends. If I write in Hillary I want Hillary– I’d like to say that the DNC does not own my vote but it appears that in that regard they do.

  60. etc,

    cannot be rewarded.

    Dean/Brazile/Pelosi cannot be rewarded.

    The “new” exclusive Obama coalition must be rejected.

    Obama must be rejected.
    ———————

    We have to throw out the bad apples and only we way we can do that is by rejecting Obama soundly. I (and my husband) will vote for McCain but we live in MD and it won’t make any difference (I was surprised to hear my husband say he will go to neighboring VA and volunteer for McCain — that coming from him tells you how this election has effected even those that are the least political.)

  61. kostner Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    That question had to be on many minds last night as Clinton delivered a rousing endorsement of Obama – a speech that moved between inspiration and attack, hitting every note perfectly.
    ——————
    Would like to know the source for this? Thanks.

  62. That temple is beyond the pale, I agree. Whatever is the campaign thinking? I hope this ends up being a PR disaster, as it should be. SHUDDERS!

  63. Another Biden Point [Jonah Goldberg]

    My column today is on the selection of Biden as Obama’s veep. I know it seems dated because of the convention and all that. But the thing is it only happened on Saturday. While I don’t get into it in the column, I think the Obama campaign is very fortunate that they were able to change the subject so quickly from their VP pick. I think if they’d done it a week earlier it would have been torn apart. I also think they benefit mightily from the fact that the DC press corps personally likes Biden so much. We’ve heard Brit Hume, Chris Wallace and Fred Barnes all speak favorably of the guy on a personal level. That’s fine. But it gives you a sense of how well liked he is by the DC establishment. I suspect it’s partly because he is charming at the retail level. Lots of people say how good he is connecting with people in coffee shops and firehouses and all that. Fine, I take them at their word. But here’s the problem. That charm does not translate on TV. It just doesn’t. On TV he’s a bore. And for all the talk of his gravitas the emperor-has-no-clothes observation here is that Obama has a lot more gravitas than Biden. Biden has a lot more seniority (as Mickey noted the other day). Biden can’t help the ticket through retail politics, at least not very much. In fact, if Biden weren’t from such a small state (that’s Delaware, not Pennsylvania for those who’ve only started following this) — where hand-to-hand politics can win the day — I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d been thrown out of office years ago.

    Biden is an awful pick and I think that will be obvious by the Fall. Though, as I said Saturday, I think he’ll probably give a good speech tonight.

  64. Not a Greek Temple, but a Greek Tragedy [Victor Davis Hanson]

    I think it’s called blind hubris…

    Let me get this straight: Obama goes to Europe, does a garish outdoor extravaganza before thousands, returns to find himself dubbed a publicity-seeking celebrity, analogous to Paris Hilton—and abruptly begins a tailspin in the polls. And now in reaction, at the greatest moment of his life, he transfers his acceptance speech to an open-air stadium to handle tens of thousands of frenzied fans, replete with Greek temple (Olympian Zeus or Parthenon?) as the backdrop stage, and outspoken rock stars?

    His handlers now seem as inept in the general elections as they were once adept in the primaries. I don’t see how you win Ohio or Michigan with Golden Gate Park circa 1967.

  65. Idunn Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 11:09 am
    Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow. And I thought the disco stage was bad. This greek temple bs is uttely beyond the pale.

    Is he going to come out with a wreath of laurel leaves perched on his head?

    Idunn Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 11:09 am
    Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow. And I thought the disco stage was bad. This greek temple bs is uttely beyond the pale.

    Is he going to come out with a wreath of laurel leaves perched on his head?

    *******

    Ditto!!!

    I am just wondering how he is going to get the skies to part and where is he going to put the Celestial chior???? 😀

  66. lil ole grape Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 9:29 am
    ————————————-
    A beautiful piece you have written here. I have saved it to my files.

  67. No one tells me how to vote. No one. I am absolutely committed to the ideals Hillary espoused. And I do not believe for one second that Barack Obama cares jack shit about them , or will attain any of them.

    He is not going to be able to ride to the presidency on Hillary Rodham Clinton’s coattails. He is not going to ride to the presidency on the basis of her, Kennedy, or the Baby Jesus himself vouching for him

    He is going to have to stand up FOR HIMSELF and convince the American voter that he is more than a vacuous overblown ego in love with his own compelling “story”. He is going to have to convince the American voter that they are more than a backdrop to the tale of his mesmerizing personal journey. He is going to have to stop hiding behind word fogs, stand up, and be judged by his own deeds, his own experience, and his own character.

    And THAT, my friends, is something he is proving singularly unable to do.

  68. Who is paying for all this set-up? I’m sure reconstructing the Lincoln Memorial/Temple/whatever must have cost a bundle, not to mention the setting at football stadium.

    Obama really is buying into his own hype. He’s fawning all over himserlf. After the faux presidential seal, you’d think the campaign learned not to hyperbolize itself.

    If Obama is throwing himself such a large bash, I hope the McCain campaign contrast it with something more humble that would allow the voters to see the man not the hype.

  69. This is too much. IMO, the McCain camp started their celebrity ads to kill the messiah/pied piper effect and more importantly to diminish the Invesco effect. And these Obama fools are now playing right into their hands. FLAKE will not describe it enough. What the hell is wrong with these people?

  70. And I do not believe for one second that Barack Obama cares jack shit about them , or will attain any of them.

    Obama is using the democratic party to further his own ambitions. He’s no more a democrat than my dog is a democrat.

  71. That temple is beyond the pale, I agree. Whatever is the campaign thinking? I hope this ends up being a PR disaster, as it should be. SHUDDERS
    —————————————————————–
    yes I agree bidgal. For a canidate who gets accused of trying to play the messiah, one who needs to prove he has both feet on the ground and understands the problems of families struggling to make ends meet, this is another example of let them eat cake. To state the obvious what you do in a temple is pray to a god–and the parallels to the Nurenberg rallies are not that far fetched. He is a one trick pony. Hillary should stay off that stage. Let him have that moment of consumate delusion all to himself. Lennie Riefensahl where are you?

  72. I have got to hand it to the Republicans, and the way they used donna brazille to destroy the Democratic Party.

    If you go back through history, I defy you to find someone like Barack who is such a perfect lure to the unthinking members of the party and at the same time a more perfect target for the Republican Machine.

    This guy is so behaviorially blind that every time he opens his mouth he sets himself up for sarcasm and ridicule. Nations perish who trust their future to idiots like this.

  73. wbboei
    ouch just watched a little bit of “Triumph of the Will” Had not seen it since college. Watching the adulation of the crowd is beyond harrowing.
    Propaganda then propaganda now.

  74. LOL! Someone is comparing Obama’s demi-god temple extravaganza to Spinal Tap’s “Stonehenge”. LMAO!!!!!!

  75. BTW, Ras has McCain up 1 pt today. I was so upset after watching Hillary. She was phenomenal and it made me question the DNC and Obama even more as to why they didn’t pick her.

  76. How do I find out what my states policy is on write in votes? I will be voting for McCain but I am sure I will encounter many who opt for a write in and I need the info.

  77. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple….

    …Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington’s Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party’s nomination for president.
    ———————
    That bit was from Reuters via NQ quote. Now I am thinking it is a subliminal message (NOT with Obama and his minions they want to rub it in our face because they think we are stupid, so Reuters is cluing us in on the subliminal?) — we are all thinking it is a Greek temple but are they really going for the Capitol or the WH? Can they be this stupid to play right into the hands of the Republicans? {The answer is a resounding YES}.

  78. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603921_pf.html

    Despite Clinton’s plea for Democrats to unite, her delegates remained divided as to how they should proceed.

    There was Jerry Straughan, a professor from California, who listened from his seat in the rafters and shook his head at what he considered the speech’s predictability. “It’s a tactic,” he said. “Who knows what she really thinks? With all the missteps that have taken place, this is the only thing she could do. So, yes, I’m still bitter.”

    —————————–

    “I’m not going to vote for Obama. I’m not going to vote for McCain, either,” said Blanche Darley, 65, a Texas delegate for Clinton. Darley wore a button saying “Obamination Scares the Hell Out of Me.”

    “We love her, but it’s our vote if we don’t trust him or don’t like him,” said Darley, who was a superdelegate for Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

    Weeping, Dawn Yingling, a 44-year-old single mother from Indianapolis, said that the speech was “fabulous” but that she still isn’t going to work for the Obama campaign. “She was fabulous, nothing less than I expected. It’s hard to sit here and think about she would have accomplished. We’re not stupid — we’re not going to vote for John McCain,” she said. But she’ll limit her campaigning to a House candidate. “It will take a Congress as well as a president. That’s what I can do and be true to who I am.”

    —————————–

    “It just makes me upset because Hillary would have been the perfect woman to do this job,” said Katherine Vincent, from Colorado. “I’m a Democrat first, but it’s just difficult to get over.”

    “I hate Obama so much that I’m going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary,” said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. “Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn’t care about us. You couldn’t treat [Clinton] any worse.”

    Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton’s speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.

  79. Thanks for the link, debbie. May I just be colloquial for a sec and say that the Clinton supporters who plan to vote for BO are just plain stupid. These turncoats upset me more than the already brainwashed Obamabots.

    By their logic, they love and support Hillary, but want to shut the door on her chances of being President?

  80. Trying to find info on PAs policy for write-ins and I stumbled across this

    The federal Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 (VAA) (42 U.S.C. § 1973ee et seq.) generally requires polling places across the United States to be physically accessible to people with disabilities for all federal elections. Where no accessible location is available to serve as a polling place, a county must provide an alternate means of casting a ballot on the day of the election.

    If you have a disability, or are at least 65 years of age and have been assigned to a polling place deemed inaccessible by the County Board of Elections, you can vote by alternative ballot. If you are qualified to vote by alternative ballot, you have the right to do so regardless of whether you are able to appear to vote at the polling place. Much like an absentee ballot, an alternative ballot is a paper ballot that can be delivered to the County Board of Elections in person, by an authorized representative, or through the U.S. mail.

    Applications for alternative ballot must be submitted to your County Board of Elections no later than 5 p.m. on the Tuesday before Election Day. In case of an emergency, you can submit an Emergency Application for Alternative Ballot, which must be received by 8 p.m. on Election Day. Completed alternative ballots must be received by the County Board of Elections no later than 8 p.m. on Election Day (at the time the polls close).

    Several assisted living homes near where I live. Think I will drop off this info.

  81. ANIMOSITY among MSNBC anchors has reached a mile-high peak at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, with on-air squabbling between such big egos as Joe Scarborough, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and David Shuster.

    Scarborough, who served in Congress as a Republican representative from Florida, seems to be particularly touchy being the only host who isn’t openly pro-Democratic.

    Yesterday, after Shuster referred to “your party, the Republican Party,” Scarborough went off, sparking a seven-minute exchange.

    “I will let you know that ‘my party,’ my party loathes me much more than your party, the Democratic Party, loathes me,” Scarborough seethed. “What about your party? What’s your party, David Shuster? David, what’s your party?”

    “I have no party. I’m a complete independent,” Shuster replied.

    “Oh, I feel so comforted by the fact that you’re independent. I bet everyone at MSNBC has ‘independent’ on their voting cards,” said Scarborough.

    Scarborough declined to talk to Page Six, but sources say he and NBC anchor Tom Brokaw disagree with MSNBC’s decision to position itself as the channel for George W. Bush-haters.

    At a forum on Sunday, when Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell called MSNBC “the official network of the Obama campaign,” Brokaw said, “I think Keith has gone too far. I think Chris has gone too far.”

    Insiders say Olbermann is pushing to have Brokaw banned from the network and is also refusing to have centrist Time magazine columnist Mike Murphy on his show.

    “The idea of anyone trying to ban Tom Brokaw is ludicrous,” said one MSNBC-er. Brokaw was on MSNBC for an hour yesterday afternoon. Murphy, who was bumped from Olbermann’s show on Monday night, told us, “They told me technical problems and I have no reason not to believe them.”

  82. # tiburones Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    BTW, Ras has McCain up 1 pt today. I was so upset after watching Hillary. She was phenomenal and it made me question the DNC and Obama even more as to why they didn’t pick her.

    tib, do you mean pick her as the candidate or as VP? I don’t want her to be VP. Hillary Clinton playing second fiddle to that phony political novice? No way!

  83. it looks more like the lincoln memorial
    with the run way thing to resemble the steps that lay in front of the “temple/shrine”

    so he wants to be lincoln/JFK/Reagan…..

    he’s just a WACKO

  84. BTW, I was afraid, Mark Warner may be a threat in 2012 but listening to him give that speech last night, I feel better — though I think he is a competent politician (We were on our way home from dinner when he was speaking and heard his first few lines — “race to the future….” and my husband was like “race? why race, who with..” and turned off the radio.) Sometimes, these speeches are just that, platitudes — we have to look for evidence else where for competence, maturity, good and innovative ideas and that is where we are coming up short with the presumed Dem nominee.

  85. Nutnuts are starting to worry about this temple/shrine stuff.

    I read a rumor from freeper land that Obama campaign is having a second thought and may dismantle the temple, according to foxnews.

    KEEP THE TEMPLE!!!

  86. McCain takes a huge lead on this, trust me this is bad for Bambi.

    Voters Trust McCain Over Obama On National Security 52% to 41%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_trust_mccain_over_obama_on_national_security_52_to_41

    Even 21% of Democrats trust McCain more on national security, compared to seven percent (7%) of Republicans who prefer Obama. Unaffiliated voters favor McCain 54% to 35%.

    Over half of voters (51%) also continue to believe that it is at least somewhat likely that the United States will win the war in Iraq if McCain is elected, while only 30% believe that to be the case should Obama win the White House. Sixty-one percent (61%) think the United States is not likely to win if Obama is elected, compared to 41% who feel that way about McCain.

  87. am i the only person who thinks good oratorial skills do not a good person/politician make? I have my reservation about the blue-dog Dem Warner, but his popularity/accomplishments in VA is evident of his leadership ability.

    BO has oratory skills, but he’s accomplishment nothing as State or US Senator.

  88. That was an emotional speech for me to watch last night….what a poised and ready leader that our country has lost because of this fraud…….Watching Hillary, Bill and Chelsea made me think of how happy we were in the 90’s under his/her watch. Obama is a snobbish, ungrateful, unqualified elitist who will destroy the Democratic party as we know it. Many of my peers herein Palm Beach County, men and women, will sit out or vote foe McCain.

  89. Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton’s speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.
    ———————

    Interesting!

  90. Years ago we had a 300 ship which was built in beaumont texas during ww2 as a troop carrier, never saw service, put in moth balls, sold to Van Camp and operated off the coast of Peru as a tuna processing vessel. Eventually, the company I worked for bought it and in the course of 18 months it ran aground in False Pass Alaska, chilling system blew up in Naknek Alaska, and sustained that terrible shipboard fire in Dutch Harbor which killed a young man. We sold the vessel thinking that might remove the curse, but the new owner left a hatch open, a woman fell to her death and there was another shipboard fire.

    If you ask a Lloyds of London underwriter who has been insuring vessels since the tea houses of Lloyds began in the 1600s to finance a period of empire and expansion they will look you in they eye and swear to you that there is such a thing as a cursed ship–touching the perils of he sea that we the underwriters of Lloyds are content to bear they are the risks of sinking, stranding, burning, neglience of masters mariners and mates and the sudden unanticpated incursion of seawater–so reads the boiler plate form which has not changed much for 400 years. The one thing they do not mention is a cursed ship, and when they find one they will not insure it. Period.

    That said, I submit that Donna Brazille is about to become another cursed ship, and uninsurable risk after she loses yet another election and destroys the Party through her treasonous machinations with Rove. Perhaps that reality has finally dawned on her and that is why she is not smiling/

  91. Oh good news

    The ratings for the Democratic National Convention for ABC, CBS and NBC fell by a million viewers compared to the opener for the 2004 convention with headliner Bill Clinton TVWeek is reporting. On the other hand, the cable newsers saw a ratings jump from their 2004 convention ratings. This reveals the further decline in the old paradigm with the big three networks steadily losing their news influence bit by bit to cable outlets.

    ABC, CBS and NBC brought in 12.1 million viewers in the 10 p.m. hour, down one million from 2004, according to preliminary, fast-national data from Nielsen Media Research. NBC scored the largest audience.

  92. Yup he’s in trouble

    From Gallup

    Conservative Democrats Peeling Away From Obama

    Obama held the slight upper hand in the race from early June through mid-August. His failure to maintain that last week — averaging a tie with McCain at 45% — can be largely explained by some defection from the conservative wing of the Democratic Party, as well as less crossover support from moderate and liberal Republicans.

    Given these contradictory partisan trends, and the fact that Gallup finds no clear pattern in the recent weekly presidential preference trends by religion, there does not seem to be a coherent ideological or religious basis to the shift (such as might be explained by the controversy over Obama’s views on abortion).

    Obama’s troubles are also evident among married women. Between Aug. 4-10 and Aug. 18-24, the percentage of married women backing Obama fell from 46% to 39%, while support from unmarried women fell from 58% to 55%. At the same time, there has been no decrease in the percentage of married or unmarried men supporting Obama.

  93. kostner, these people are such political babes in the woods. To dismantle it NOW, after the story has already broken about it, will only make Obama look weak and frightened. He ALREADY has a problem with being perceived as weak.

    Obama keeps boxing himself into corners with his own hubris. Then HE CREATES a situation where he has two choices:

    1) Stick it out and look like an arrogant asshole

    2) Back down and look like a scared ineffectual moron desperately scrambling to redefine himself.

    I have been following politics for a loooong time. This guy is a piker. He and his minions have no idea how this war is fought. The Republicans are going to eat his liver with a nice bottle of Chianti.

  94. Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton’s speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.
    ———————

    Interesting!
    ——————
    Bravo!

  95. Pick your favourite Obama conference entrance.

    1 : I think he should go the whole hog and ride in on a chariot, chanting, “off with her head”.

    2 : Maybe carried in being fanned and fed grapes.

    3 : Strapped to the back off a rocket, shot through the stadium and sent off into space.

    I pick no 3.

  96. Idunn
    Thanks, but that still doesn’t say what becomes of the vote once it is cast. They could allow me to cast my vote for Clinton but then attribute it to bambi. I emailed the question to the Board of Elections.

  97. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    kostner, these people are such political babes in the woods. To dismantle it NOW, after the story has already broken about it, will only make Obama look weak and frightened. He ALREADY has a problem with being perceived as weak.

    Obama keeps boxing himself into corners with his own hubris. Then HE CREATES a situation where he has two choices:

    1) Stick it out and look like an arrogant asshole

    2) Back down and look like a scared ineffectual moron desperately scrambling to redefine himself.

    I have been following politics for a loooong time. This guy is a piker. He and his minions have no idea how this war is fought. The Republicans are going to eat his liver with a nice bottle of Chianti.
    —————————-

    H4T, may I recommend this article: (can’t tire enough of linking it everywhere)

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_odd_choices_in_barack_obam.html

    Another along those lines but more about the campaign strategy is Sam Copeland’s blog (yesterday?) at NQ.
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/26/why-obama-had-to-select-biden/

  98. I’m expecting the republican motherload to start dropping from Friday morning onwards. Hell they may start Thurs night.

  99. This one is for the DNC
    “maybe next time you’ll show a woman a little respect”

    ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9Yi2Enm-4&feature=related

  100. I’ll repeat what i said this morning.

    The democratic convention is a funeral, Hillary attended to deliver the eulogy and then bury him.

  101. Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton’s speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.
    —————————————————————–
    In labor relations this is called “voting with their feet”.

  102. I just called my senator Cardin’s office and left a long message with a live person — she listened intently and said she would pass on the message to him. It is on SDs heads now. We have to hold everyone of these nincompoops accountable.

  103. Forgive, sounds good
    Forget, I’m not sure I could
    They say time heals everything
    But I’m still waiting

    I’m through with doubt
    There’s nothing left for me to figure out
    I’ve paid a price
    And I’ll keep paying

    I’m not ready to make nice
    I’m not ready to back down
    I’m still mad as hell and
    I don’t have time to go round and round and round
    It’s too late to make it right
    I probably wouldn’t if I could
    ‘Cause I’m mad as hell
    Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

    I know you said
    Can’t you just get over it
    It turned my whole world around
    And I kind of like it

    I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
    With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
    It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
    Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
    And how in the world can the words that I said
    Send somebody so over the edge
    That they’d write me a letter
    Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
    Or my life will be over

    I’m not ready to make nice
    I’m not ready to back down
    I’m still mad as hell and
    I don’t have time to go round and round and round
    It’s too late to make it right
    I probably wouldn’t if I could
    ‘Cause I’m mad as hell
    Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

    I’m not ready to make nice
    I’m not ready to back down
    I’m still mad as hell and
    I don’t have time to go round and round and round
    It’s too late to make it right
    I probably wouldn’t if I could
    ‘Cause I’m mad as hell
    Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

    Forgive, sounds good
    Forget, I’m not sure I could
    They say time heals everything
    But I’m still waiting

  104. just a note about write ins…it is absolutely possible to elect a candidate that way and have them win

    In Long Beach, CA the mayor Beverly O’Neal was termed out after 2 terms. She went on to win her 3rd term because the people spoke by writing in her name even though she was not eligble to have her name printed on the ballot. this is not a smalll town, there are 1/2 million people there. Mayor O’Neal served her third term with the full support of every Long Beach citizen.

    True story, ….it can happen

  105. Having a woman and an AA run at the same time was a big folly for DNC but to have manipulated it all with so much hubris and injustice against one candidate had to come back to bite them. The fact they did not realize that is how stupid they are. I will give full credit to American Democracy and the Democrats (whatever is left of it) when Obama and his minions are fully rejected on November 4th.

  106. ok why are my post all of sudden not showing up??

    ADMIN…….can you check me out of the filter please 😀 thanks!

  107. #2 sounds good moononpluto. #2 will be a visual representation of the Democratic Party turning into a Toga Party, ala Animal House.

    Keep the Change, Keep the Temple.

    ——-

    Earlier we had one for Hillary, here’s one for our Bill:

  108. I think they ran an AA against her intentionally. I think this goes back years when the rumors abounded about Senator Clinton shortly after winning her seat in New York. IMHO “””the mangy curs” started sniffing around the Chicago dumpsters to find an empty suit to take her down. and what a great way to negate the historic run than with a black man.

    H4Texas was that a correct use of mangy cur?

  109. wbboei,
    That said, I submit that Donna Brazille is about to become another cursed ship, and uninsurable risk after she loses yet another election and destroys the Party through her treasonous machinations with Rove. Perhaps that reality has finally dawned on her and that is why she is not smiling/
    ================

    Yep. I hope you have the reference of Brazile saying a few years ago that she was tweakng the delegate allotments etc (and primary scheduling?) so that “Blacks acting in concert nationwide could control the nomination” quote from memory. I got this from a reliable source, somone here. Some internal DNC memo or something like that.
    Emjay and B Merry may have the source — a video of some meeting? C-SPAN? Emjay posted about a source for the video but I don’t do videos. — It was NOT the text piece she still has up at Slate or Salon “Why people hate Democrats” that plugged Obama by name.

    Anyway Brazile’s ‘control the nomination’ thing and focusing on Brazile seems a very good way to tie together various crazy actions of the DNC. Maybe that’s a conspiracy motif but it’s one that this guinea pig finds believable.

    She also seems to deserve some ad hominem. What sane person in her position would send out childish insults on her Blackberry?

    She was raised in poverty (and ignorance?) Sounds like a good prospect for Wright stuff.

    But how did someone so crazy get so much influence over the last several elections? I don’t suppose we could fnd out why Gore chose her to manage his campaign? Was she the one who suggested the earth tones etc?

  110. There is some speculations on the web that after Hillary’s speech, Michelle
    Obmama asked Joe Biden if it was good?? God help them and us and thank God for Hillary Rodham Clinton!
    —————
    From a comment on Anglachel. Anybody know anything about this? If it is true, we are more than doomed if he wins.

  111. GREAT videos this a.m.

    Delegates voting in hotel rooms

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12885.html

    Delegates to the Democratic National Convention are casting ballots for the party’s presidential nominee at their hotels this morning.

    The vote, negotiated by the campaigns for presumptive nominee Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, is expected to speed proceedings from the floor of the Pepsi Center tonight, when totals will be read from the floor as part of a roll call vote.

    But it is also leaving many delegates perplexed.

    Some delegates were confused because Sen. Clinton was not expected to release her delegates until the afternoon.

    “It doesn’t make any sense to me,” said Mary Sullivan, a Clinton delegate from Albany, N.Y. “I’m gonna vote for Hillary. I’m a Clinton delegate and she hasn’t released me yet.”

    Clinton is expected to address delegates this afternoon.

    Sullivan said she had been startled by the hostility toward Clinton on the part of some Obama supporters.

    “The Obama people act like they lost,” she said. “There’s no need for it … . It’s over. It’s been over. We all knew it, but some of us haven’t given up the ghost yet.”

    Al Lewis: President A Black-And-White Choice For Union
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    But others in the New York delegation said they expected the group to rally around Obama.

    “I think you’ll find overwhelming support for Sen. Obama in this delegation,” Sen. Charles E. Schumer said at the New York breakfast.

    Several delegates said they hoped New York would vote nearly unanimously for Obama.

    “Everyone should have heard her by now, loud and clear, that the job going forward is to work for the election of Obama,” said Bill Ryan, the chair of the Westchester County Legislature. “I’d like to see the entire delegation [support Obama]. It would be a very strong signal.”

    Texas Democratic Party Chairman Boyd Richie told the state delegation during breakfast that they had until noon today to fill out roll-call ballots at their hotel.

    Each delegate, he said, needed to bring ID and would have to sign their ballot, which will indicate their presidential preference.

    The two campaigns, he said, negotiated a plan to conduct the voting that way.

    “The campaigns have determined how this is going to work,” Richie said.

    After the voting, he said, the ballots would be taken to the convention center to be tallied before the delegates convene tonight.

    Richie said there would still be a roll call vote tonight on the convention floor at the Pepsi Center.

    Some of the Clinton supporters in the delegation raised questions about how the process would work and said they wanted an observer there to ensure that the ballots were counted accurately.

    “I think it sucks,” said Blanche Darley, a Clinton delegate from El Paso.

    Some Obama delegates were confused by the new process, too.

    Richie asked Obama surrogate Ron Kirk, former Dallas mayor, if the campaign would also like to have an observer during the balloting process.

    He shrugged and later said, “I trust everybody in here to be honest.”

    Many of Massachusetts’ most prominent Hillary Clinton supporters have already voted for Barack Obama, including Rep. Barney Frank and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino.

    At the Illinois delegation hotel, Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley implored the delegation to appear unified behind Obama — even to the news media.

    Some Barack Obama supporters complained Wednesday that Colorado Democratic leaders may be prolonging a party rift because Hillary Clinton backers won’t be allowed to switch their votes to Obama in a show of unity.

    Colorado delegates cast their ballots Wednesday morning, and the tally was to be reported Wednesday night on the floor of the Democratic National Convention.

    The total wasn’t released because not all the delegates were present.

    State party chairwoman Pat Waak said the morning vote would be the only one the delegation takes, meaning there will be no chance for Clinton supporters to change their vote to Obama.

    “This is the only vote,” she said, explaining it would be disruptive to try to take a second poll on the convention floor among the 70 delegates.

    That upset Shawn Coleman, an Obama delegate from Boulder, who wanted a second round to allow the delegates to show full support for Obama.

    “I understand that the Clinton delegates want to serve their constituents. That is what I’m doing, but I don’t want this to be a hollow victory for Obama,” he said.

    Colorado Rep. John Salazar said he was surprised by the decision and called it unusual, but he said he would support it.

    “I think it’s part of the healing process. I think after tonight’s vote, we’re going to be a united party and support Obama.

    “A divided party will never win,” he said.

    State Rep. Terrance Carroll of Denver said he never expected a second vote.

    “We know there are delegates loyal to Clinton. It’s OK. It’s part of the process,” he said.

    It wasn’t immediately clear whether other states were allowing only one ballot within their delegations.

    Clinton backers in Colorado had their own concerns, worried that there would be no state-by-state roll call to record the New York senator’s strong showing, or that Clinton would stop the balloting and ask for a unanimous vote for Obama before the roll call was recorded.

    “If we don’t have an official roll call vote state-by-state, it is going to reopen a wound,” said Sonja Jaquez Lewis, a Clinton delegate from Boulder County.

    Lewis said if Clinton is denied a roll call, she and others may walk out. But she said she would do whatever Clinton asks her delegates to do.

    Denver Post Staff Writer Kimberly Johnson, Media News Group Staff Writers Gene Maddaus, Brandi Grissom, Matt Murphy and Leonard Fleming and the Associated Press contributed to this report. Politico and The Denver Post are sharing content during the 2008 Election cycle and during the Democratic National Conventions.

  112. You guys know what the Obamabots are saying this morning?

    “Hillary’s speech was great but… spell out that Obama would make a good commander in chief.”

    Here’s another gem from the biggest loser of them all:

    “I loved, loved, loved her approach of “were in this for me, or for our ideals?” That was brilliant. But there are still all of those “is he ready” doubts that the Clintons put out there, flat out saying that McCain was better prepared to be president than Obama. Hard to come back from that. If he loses, I’ll always feel as if they had a part in it.”

    Like it is her job to help him win. So it’s the Clintons who sowed the seed, nothing to do with BO’s own lack of experience.

    Obama’s dittoheads is one of the main reasons I won’t vote for him. I will relish the day when they all cry bucket of tears.

  113. Idunn
    mucho gracious
    it puts a big smile on my face. Did you notice how he leaned back last night with that look of tremendous pride when she spoke of his presidency. How the hell did this nightmare transpire?

  114. Barack Obama to address supporters from god-like setting
    h t t p : / / blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_sherwell/blog/2008/08/27/barack_obama_to_address_supporters_from_godlike_setting

    Just wait for the accusations that Barack Obama thinks he’s a god. The presidential candidate will deliver the most important speech of his political career this week from what Reuters is describing as an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.

    The Drudge Report has an aerial shot of the set-up at the halfway line of Invesco Field, home of the Denver Broncos, where an estimated 75,000-plus supporters will hear him accept the Democratic nomination on Thursday night.

    Oscar winner Jennifer Hudson will open the show with a rendition of the national anthem and fireworks light up the night sky at the finale of his speech.

    Mr Obama has of course long been criticised by his detractors for affecting an air of superiority and elitism. And he has also come under flak for breaking with tradition and not addressing delegates at the convention itself.

    So expect the setting to give fresh ammunition to John McCain’s campaign. Indeed, when told of the plans, a John McCain adviser quipped to ABC:

    “Is this from the Onion?” – a reference to the popular satirical newspaper whose spoofs often deliver trenchant political insight.

  115. filbertsf
    well to all of the bots right back at you because of that upstart and you kool aid drinkers I believe we have lost the opp for the best president in my life time. Sorry Bill.

  116. henry, you think PA will to Obama? When I was there, there was lots of love for Hillary, but I also noticed the lack of enthusiasm for McCain.

  117. Filbertstf,

    I really, really want and thought that she was/is the best qualified person for the presidential job.

    However, I would have settled for the VP job.

    I am hoping beyond hope that she can mount a campaign 2012 but who knows.

    That AA delegate that CNN showed speaks for me. I felt her heartache and pain and yet she was so eloquent in expressing the differences between Hillary and Obama and why Hillary is the better canidate.

    p.s. The Big Dawg was just beaming. You can’t tellme that he doesnt’ love his wife.

  118. Idunn and others,

    Even if Obama gets the official nomination, we still don’t have to focus on the Nov vote choice just yet. And even then, only a few states will be swing and close; at that time each of us can see how the polls look in our own state and decide whether to vote as a message or to make sure McCain gets our state.

    IN the meantime, seriously, I think we should be focusing on a new national meme: “Resign, Obama!”

    That’s in his power, and if the polls keep getting worse, it’s in his interest. Becoming the McGovern of 2008 would damage him worse than a resignation (for whatever high sounding excuse).

  119. I’ve seen many roll call votes in my life. And it is standard for the “winning” candidate not to win on the 1st ballot. Everybody votes the way they are committed to vote and favorite “sons” and “daughters” are even nominated. Hell, I witnessed one roll call where Coach Bear Bryant got some votes from the Alabama delegation. I can’t remember what year.

    Lord yall where right about the damn greek temple. Will somebody please tell BO that this isn’t the gall dern school play or the senior prom. This guy is a nutburger.

  120. henry Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    I think they ran an AA against her intentionally. I think this goes back years when the rumors abounded about Senator Clinton shortly after winning her seat in New York. IMHO “””the mangy curs” started sniffing around the Chicago dumpsters to find an empty suit to take her down. and what a great way to negate the historic run than with a black man.
    ——————

    Oh, I agree. From what we know so far about all the backroom shenanigans, they did not hatch this yesterday. For those not in tune with all this background, it has to seem stupid.

  121. the theater of the absurd continues;

    h t t p : / /
    inquirer.files.wordpress.com/2008/08obamatoga400pv3.png

  122. Drudge now has a pic up of Barack Obama’s Grand Temple of Personal Magnificence.

    It is a HOOT! LMAO!

  123. BoyzFromBrazile has some real issues. Between the HUGE chip on her continual pissed off shoulder and the matching chip on MO’s bitter shoulder, they make Joan Crawford’s shoulder pads nonexistent. Yes, her mantra has been to elect a Black President, not necessarily the best person for the job. Like minds – Coward Mean, NaziPeloi, Axeman – backed by DaleyChicagoCombine and SlimeySoros – they are responsible for the demantling of the DNC. They deserve what they get.

    This extravaganza at Invesco Field is so over the top that the average sane voting public will be so much more put off by BHO camp that this should backfire quickly, I predict. Mor smoke and mirrors. No substance whatsoever. Just fluff, fluff and more fluff.

  124. That comment by the McCain aide asking if that Greek temple background was from the The Onion had me LMAO.

  125. Is this half-time at the SuperBowl?

    Will pink cadillac convertibles circle the track with all the members of the DNC seated holding red roses giving their best Miss America Wave? How many Hallelujia choirs will be there?

    Will Caroline be Sandy, and BHO Travolta in Grease? Will the Pink caddy drive into the sky?

    Will Al Sharpton be able to resurrect James Brown, ya’ reckon?

    Will Oprah launch her new tv station there?

    What about Arnie and Maria? Will he announce his Presidency to follow BHO’s since birth certificates and citizenship don’t mean squat anymore?

    This is like a side show. I am so done with the DNC. It’s Hillary or bust for me. When she leaves the party – I’m gone. For good. Independent forever after that.

  126. HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 10:49 am
    Kostner, the Repubs are warming up to rightly mock the chosen one’s big ME ME ME celebration of his personal godhood and overweening gobsmacking breathtakingly ego-driven tackiness at Invesco

    ==============

    Well put!

  127. Wasserman Schultz to nominate Obama
    How’s this for making a show of unity: U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Broward County, one of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s biggest supporters in Florida, will formally nominate Sen. Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee for president today.

    blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/08/wasserman-schul.html
    Wasserman Schultz is on the big “liberal” blogs hit list. She was Hillary’s biggest supporter. They hate her. The big “liberal” blogs are going to try and run her out of her house seat for it.

  128. filbertsf
    have tried twice to respond to your querry about PA
    Each time, got the annoying site has exceeded bit
    Allegheney and Phila counties will probably go bambi as they did in the primaries. Lots of universities and a higher concentration of AAs. However in the GE bambi will not get his additional boost from the rewards given to communities that traditionally vote democratic. Also students will only be allowed to vote once in the ge. Although I think absentee voting should be zealously scrutinized in this election. Vote where you are in school and mail one in to your home state. Who’s gonna check?
    BIden from Scranton. That is funny. Hillary is a hometown hero. Who visited even while in office. Biden born there but no one cares.
    Also bambi will get gay vote

  129. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9920
    Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency
    Check out
    Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in his lawsuit that Senator Obama:
    1. Is not a naturalized citizen; and/or
    2. Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
    3. Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia

  130. spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13775

    Campaign Crawlers
    Obama Needs More Than Change
    By Philip Klein
    Published 8/27/2008 3:41:37 AM
    DENVER — Tuesday was a great night — for Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately for the Democrats, the evening didn’t do much to advance the candidacy of the man who will actually be their party’s nominee.

  131. So McCain got a bump again today from Rassmussen, so that means Mrs Obama lost him points, lol. She really is pointless.

  132. Here is a prediction: every time any of the Obama minions (including the media) say she didn’t do enough, a new McCain vote is born.

  133. pm317, you are right, everytime the Obama bots say she did not do enough more Clinton supporters give Obama the boot!

  134. features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/08/27/clinton-speech-moves-democrats-toward-unity-but-hasnt-clinched-it/

    This one needs comments and a vote

  135. From a story linked on No Quarter, from the department of DUH!

    The bottom line: the Obama team may have seriously underestimated the impact on the faithful of Hillary’s non-selection as VP, even if both camps knew it wasn’t to be. That – -coupled with a failure to appreciate the amount of news an aggrieved group can generate with thousands of reporters milling about with not much to do until the main evening speeches commence — has created a major distraction for The One. Someone didn’t quite think this through.

  136. The “greek temple” thing is all over the place, its hit europe and coast to coast America, Bambi is looking an idiot and its being said “he thinks he’s a god”.

    He may have just gone too far.

  137. Great first lady material
    UH uh uh um um um
    Ya think

    edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/michelle-keep-the-poor-out/
    Michelle’s initiative: keep the poor out

  138. what time is bill’s speech. Its the only thing I want to see. Biden a big no.
    Wish I could believe in the citizenship thing, but it just seems to good to be true. The judge denied a TRO on Thursday but did not dismiss the case. So even if there is an validity by the time it comes to light bambi will all ready have been nominated and if he were not eligible that would make biden the nominee and with the way things have gone thus far he would probably choose nasty papoopsi as his running mate. And you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

  139. Henry, i work at the polls on election day. Here in Ohio we have what you call curbside service. If the person is not able to come inside to vote we have a Democratic and Rupblican representive take the ballot to the person outside so they can vote.

  140. moononpluto Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    and get this, Bambi is having a full scale replica of Air Force 1 there as well. WTF, This is ridiculous.

    No way. What a farce!

    Henry, gays will definitely go to BO. I was thinking that because of PA’s economic situation, it might easily go to BO.

  141. I put this entire fiasco on the shoulder of the democratic party leadership.
    Dean, Brazile, Pelosi et. al.

    BHO is nothing more than their tool…albeit he is a narcissist and the grandiosity is just the side show trying to convince people that this fraud is the end all be all.

    Bill Clintons speech tonight won’t change my mind either. I am so angry

    I will break with my party this year and not lose a minutes sleep. I can wait 4 years…hell I’ve waited this long.

  142. Obama’s “accomplishments” so far: Seal-gate and Temple-gate

    If he’s this way now, can you imagine what he sees himself as when he’s in the Oval Office? I can actually see him proposing a holiday for his birthday.

  143. “Saying goodbye is very tough, and that’s what she’s doing to a lifelong ambition,” Sheinkopf said. “All Obama needs to do is scare everybody and tell them that if McCain wins, choice goes at the window, and they’ll come on board.”

    Ummmm, I have a uterus, and I’M not scared. Any of you other ladies scared?

  144. Texas4Hillary, Please tell people to document as best they can, anyway they can. Tell somebody. There is no need for this. This is so sick

  145. Pictured: The miniature ‘Greek temple’ from which Barack Obama will launch his final push for the U.S. presidency
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1050017/Pictured-The-miniature-Greek-temple-Barack-Obama-launch-final-push-U-S-presidency.html

    Barack Obama’s big speech on tomorrow night will be delivered from an elaborate columned platform resembling a miniature Greek temple, it has been revealed.
    The stage is similar to structures used for rock concerts and has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos’ American football team plays.

    Up to 80,000 supporters will see Mr Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of the White House, to accept the party’s nomination for president.

    He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.

    Once Obama speaks, confetti will rain down on him and fireworks will be fired from around the stadium wall.

    Oscar-winning actress and singer Jennifer Hudson will sing the national anthem that night.

    Meanwhile, Former President Bill Clinton’s mythic political skills face a major test when he takes the rostrum at the Democratic convention tonight, looking past his disappointment – some say anger – to speak in support of Obama, the man who ended Hillary Rodham Clinton’s run for the White House

    .
    Presidential image: A full-scale replica of Air Force One fuselage arrives at Invesco Field before Mr Obama speaks
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1050017/Pictured-The-miniature-Greek-temple-Barack-Obama-launch-final-push-U-S-presidency.html

  146. Temple-gate

    SEE?! I TOLD you he was going to buy us all black nikes and have us wait for the mothership to come and take us home!

    ::spraying room with holy water::

  147. Idunn, You are right. We cannot blink on this one. We cannot be held hostage to Row v Wade. It feels like we are negotiating with terrorists.

  148. debbie, you work with unions don’t you? Unions are now closing rank and uniting against McCain. You must be the black sheep in the family. Work environment must be difficult.

  149. On HillaryClinton Forum, there is a discussion about the roll call. OH delegates were forced to vote for BO. How can they do that????

    see Texan’s link at 2:14 p.m.

    Shaking my head.

  150. neetabug
    some people may not be able to get to the polls at all. I don’t think it can hurt to share the info with those living in nursing homes that they may still vote. Many of those did after all spend more than a half century working to make this country what it is today. Anywho just a thought and all I have to is press print. I’ll probably be well rewarde for the few minutes of mine time. Actually on an unrelated venture wanted to take my two year old niece with me to visit but as she goes to day care and many are comprimesed I was advised not a good idea.

  151. About these write ins, I love Hillary, as much as i would like to write her name in i will NOT. I want to defeat Obama in November and writing in Hillarys name will not help. Writing in her name might just give Barack Hussein Obama the presidency. Is this what you want? If Obama is defeated in Nov, Hillary has a chance in 2012 . I will be voting for John McCain

  152. I hope every one of those delegates comes out and documents this to Fox or the media, this needs to plastered over every newspaper.

  153. Thinking of all the subliminal messages you all got during Hillary’s speech, I think the color of the pantsuit should be considered to. It was bright Orange as if to say not totally red but a color of red, and certainly not blue!

  154. I know he Democratics make the rounds at he nursing homes, i am not sure about the Republicans. I will make sure they are informed

  155. Admin,

    You have come up with so many perfect metaphors for the primary process in the past few months.

    Comparing the selection of BO to a suicide watch is one of your best.

    🙁

  156. Idunn Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    “Saying goodbye is very tough, and that’s what she’s doing to a lifelong ambition,” Sheinkopf said. “All Obama needs to do is scare everybody and tell them that if McCain wins, choice goes at the window, and they’ll come on board.”

    Ummmm, I have a uterus, and I’M not scared. Any of you other ladies scared?
    * * * * * *
    No, not only am I not scared, but we have two solid facts that should nullify the above argument:

    1. Author of Roe v Wade, Justice Harry Blackman was a Nixon appointee.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackmun
    2. We have 35 years of McCain history to gauge his future actions.

  157. confloyd Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    Thinking of all the subliminal messages you all got during Hillary’s speech, I think the color of the pantsuit should be considered to. It was bright Orange as if to say not totally red but a color of red, and certainly not blue!

    * * * * *
    Confloyd: Orange and blue are complementary colors. ORANGE IS THE OPPOSITE OF BLUE. Perhaps it’s a two-fer: sends a message AND looks great on the blue background.

  158. Presidential image: A full-scale replica of Air Force One fuselage arrives at Invesco Field before Mr Obama speaks
    h t t p : / / i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/27/article-0-0258AA6900000578-337_468×228.jpg

    —————————-
    Ohhh.. this takes the cake. You know what! The DNC and the party is a fucking mess and there is no course correction at this point. I can sit here depressed about Hillary but no. I will have the last laugh and I WILL enjoy the ride watching this fool’s parade. As Carville said, there is no urgency and I will add there is no seriousness. These people are beyond pathetic. If Americans vote for this guy and he wins, it will be worse than Bush. Because in this case we were all forewarned.

  159. TV ALERT: ON CSPAN NOW. The reception yesterday at Emily’s List. Hillary is there. I think she speaks on the program.

  160. It’s Mount Obamalympus!!! ROTFLMAO!

    Sorry, guys, but I just cannot get over how fucking STUPID this is, and am loving it! 🙂

  161. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    It’s Mount Obamalympus!!! ROTFLMAO!

    Sorry, guys, but I just cannot get over how fucking STUPID this is, and am loving it! 🙂

    And Jon Stewart will have a field day with it. He did an entire segment on Seal-gate.

  162. On Fox News just now, Howard Wolfson unleashed a broad attack on MSNBC and its top on-air personalities, slamming the network’s coverage of Bill and Hillary, hitting back at Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann for using his work for Fox to question his Democratic credentials, and blasting MSNBC as having been “taken over” by “antics.”

    The broadside from Wolfson, who has until now refrained from publicly critiquing MSNBC despite months of deep unhappiness within Hillaryland about the network’s coverage of her, is a declaration of open war against MSNBC and two of its most visible political commentators that likely will only escalate from here.

    “I’m not gonna take any lectures on how to be a good Democrat from two people who spent the last two years relentlessly attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton everyday,” Wolfson said on the air moments ago, when asked by the Fox anchor to respond to some criticism of Wolfson on MSNBC yesterday.

    Wolfson’s decision to unload on MSNBC was triggered by some particularly barbed comments about Wolfson from Olbermann and Matthews yesterday. Matthews slammed Wolfson as Fox’s “little toy soldier,” while Olbermann joked that Wolfson is Fox’s “Tokyo Rose.”

    “I think it’s unfortunate that a news organization with a great tradition like NBC has been taken over by those kind of antics,” Wolfson said.

    Shortly afterward, he added, “Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and I’m just not going to get lectured on how to be a good Democrat from them.”

    In a brief interview with me, Wolfson said he decided he couldn’t let such comments go unanswered anymore.

    “I’ve let previous comments like this pass,” Wolfson said, “and I wasn’t gonna stand for it anymore. I’ve spent my entire adult life working for Democratic causes and candidates and I’m not gonna have my credentials challenged.”

    As I reported some months ago, Wolfson was one of several top Hillary advisers who privately complained to MSNBC brass about the on-air treatment of Hillary, but unlike some other top Hillary supporters didn’t make his gripes with the network publicly known. No longer.

    Fox News has been publicly feuding with MSNBC, and in a topsy-turvy twist, Wolfson, a lifelong and loyal Democrat, has now lobbed a heavy bomb — from Fox’s side, though it was on his own behalf.

  163. admin said:
    Dean/Brazile/Pelosi cannot be rewarded.
    The “new” exclusive Obama coalition must be rejected.
    Obama must be rejected.
    —–
    someone replied:
    We have to throw out the bad apples and only we way we can do that is by rejecting Obama soundly.
    …. this election has effected even those that are the least political.
    ==========

    That’s my reaction and was the first reaction of a lot of less-political peole in late May. Just an instant instinct: I”If the DNC is rejecting a proven winner, I’m voting for McCain.” Some people expressed it as ‘teaching the DNC a lesson.’ or even ‘punishing theDNC.’

    To others this seems wrong-headed, destructive, punative, revenge, spite. “Destroy the DNC in order to save it”

    Pretty soon I think some people with the knowhow (lookng at Admin) need to explain to us just WHY our gut reaction is sound. Just WHY getting rid of or weakening the power of Brazile etc starts with defeating Obama. (Hint: Obama as the McGovern of 2008 seems a step in the right direction.)

    But — how exactly do we proceed after (or even before) November to get from “Obama lost” to “throw out Dean and Brazile etc from the DNC.” What is the mechanism for getting rid of Dean as head? Is it possible to get rid of Brazile? HOW?

    I’m sure people like Terry McAuliffe (wasn’t he former head of DNC?) are working on this as insiders. But they can’t speak freely either.

    So would someone on our side pls explain some nuts and bolts? Or give us some realy good replies to the other attitude when we encounter it on forums etc?

  164. neetabug ,

    exactly. Write-in in my own opinion is a complete waste… Either McCain or Bambi will win, so take your pick. Wishy-washy won’t do it…

  165. neetabug
    I will not write in Hillary. My vote wasn’t counted once. I won’t let it happen again. My concern is finding out what the specific state laws are. Some have said they won’t vote for bambi and cannot vote for McCain so as a protest will write in Hillary, but many have written that in some states the write ins are given to the nominee of that party you placed you vote for. So a vote for Hillary could be a vote for Obama and not a protest vote. Important info to have.

  166. Idunn Says: Obama is using the democratic party to further his own ambitions. He’s no more a democrat than my dog is a democrat.

    ==============

    Right. I remember seeing a cite about that, perhaps in some seriuos profile about Obama’s early days? Something about him considering joining the GOP but decided he would advance faster in the Democratic Party?

  167. kostner Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    neetabug ,

    exactly. Write-in in my own opinion is a complete waste… Either McCain or Bambi will win, so take your pick. Wishy-washy won’t do it…

    AMEN

  168. wbboei Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    I have got to hand it to the Republicans, and the way they used donna brazille to destroy the Democratic Party.

    =============

    Is that how she got her power in the DNC? And who in the DNC staff were the GOP backing before Brazile came along? We’ve been nominating losers ever since McGovern, at least.

  169. I agree with this. I am glad MO showed her nasty stripes, but this person is correct that real warmth and smiles duiring Hill’s speech might have swayed some (NOT me.)

    MIchelle Obama is not a good politician. If she had enthusiastically applauded Hillary, that one simple act could have probably helped to warm some Clinton supporters to her. Instead, her ego prevented her from doing it. Never once did I see her crack a smile. She came across as I have continually percieved her, as a terribly ingracious person more interested in herself than winning.

  170. neetabug
    I agree but I have talked to people who do not blog or follow the election very closely. I simply think it is important to know what our states rules are so we can inform those who might be tempted to write in. If they won’t vote for McCain I would prefer that they stay home rather than have a write in for hillary counted as a vote for bambi.

  171. Okay, on RD blogs some of them are “receiving messages” from the Oracle at Delphi over this boondoggle of a temple, and they are CRACKING ME UP!! Here’s one:

    My message from the Oracle: Athena’s comin’ and boy is she pissed!

  172. henry Says:
    How do I find out what my states policy is on write in votes? I will be voting for McCain but I am sure I will encounter many who opt for a write in and I need the info.
    ============

    Whatever an official state site may tell you now, the bots will be infiltrating and by November either they will have changed the rules or they will have bots counting the votes and doing what they want to regardless of the rules.

    I think the safest votes are, in this order, McCain, staying home, third party. If we leave a line blank, the bots counting the votes can fill it for Obama. The GOP knows how to fight for their own votes. The bots can’t mis-count a ballot if the voter just stayed home.

    Unfortnately write-ins are the most vulnerable. Maybe we should vote McC but tell the exit polls who we really wanted, or hae some other big count of support at that time.

  173. Hillary4texas
    smug was the word that came to my mind as I watched her. Fox did a great job of going back and forth between her and bill mouthing I love you.

  174. what a bunch of idiots if they think PUMA’s are not prepared to document such things as voter intimidation and coercement !!

    GO PUMAs!!!!!

    oh and roe v wade…… my uterus isn’t afraid of any of it! I may be done having children but i have a daughter who is yet to be even old enough to have children yet and i am not even afraid for her uterus!!

    Roe v wade is such a silly threat….. it will NOT be over turned and i believe McCain is honorable
    he has his beliefs but HE WILL NOT FORCE them to be our beliefs like THE ONE WILL!!!

  175. Was papoopsi in attendance last night? I don’t recall seeing her during Hills speech and that is all I watched. Maybe the tornado warnings sent her out looking for a pair of ruby slippers.

  176. A stolen primary, and now a stolen convention:

    —–
    August 28, 2008
    Obama to Be Nominated as Another Clinton Speaks
    By JOHN M. BRODER

    DENVER – Senator Barack Obama will officially become the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party later on Wednesday, but his moment in history remains fraught with drama and uncertainty.

    Mr. Obama’s name will be put in nomination some time after 3 p.m. local time (5 p.m. Eastern time), but only after his primary rival, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, is also nominated. Roughly half of her 1,640 delegates said in a pre-convention poll that they intended to vote for her when her name is put in nomination, but there have been intense private negotiations between the Obama and Clinton camps to cut short the roll call and make Mr. Obama the unanimous nominee.

    The roll call vote, to be presided over by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, takes place between 3:45 p.m. and 4:45 p.m., meaning that before most Americans tune into the proceedings Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian-born son of a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, will be the Democrats’ nominee to become the 44th president of the United States.

    Mrs. Pelosi said this morning that she expected the roll call to go “very smoothly.”

    But the formal nomination of Mr. Obama will not end the drama that has riven the Obama and Clinton camps and provided a consuming story line of this convention. At 7 p.m. local time, former President Bill Clinton is scheduled to address the convention, whose theme today is foreign policy and a tribute to the military, giving the Clintons two nights of prominence at this high-profile event.

    A draft of Mr. Clinton’s speech will be sent to the Obama campaign later this afternoon, a Clinton aide said. Mr. Obama has said in recent days that the former president free to talk about whatever subject he chooses, though he has been granted only 10 minutes of podium time (though that might change). Mr. Clinton’s aides said he intends to deliver an impassioned plea for Democratic unity and an end to what he will characterize as the fiscal and foreign policy disasters of the Bush administration.

    An aide to the former president said Mr. Clinton will be as supportive of Mr. Obama as Mrs. Clinton was in her 23-minute address on Tuesday.

    “It’s as strong as she was in every respect,” the aide said. “And shorter.”

    Mrs. Clinton silenced some fears among Obama supporters that her endorsement of her bitter primary rival would be less than total with a well-received speech on Tuesday night.

    With her husband watching from a skybox, Mrs. Clinton rallied her supporters behind Mr. Obama, saying there was no more important task facing them and the country, regardless of any lingering ill will.

    “Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose,” Mrs. Clinton said Tuesday night to loud applause. “And you haven’t worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.”

    Mr. Clinton’s speech on Wednesday will be followed by the nomination of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware as the party’s vice-presidential candidate and finally by Mr. Biden’s acceptance speech.

    Mr. Biden’s task, in what will be the most important speech in his 36-year career in politics, will be to wrest the convention away from the Clintons and back to a sharp focus on the Obama-Biden ticket. Although he has been in the Senate since 1973 and run for president twice, Mr. Biden will also seek to introduce himself to an audience that knows little about him.

    In accepting Mr. Obama’s invitation to join the ticket on Saturday, Mr. Biden characterized himself as the son of blue-collar America, an Irish-Catholic kid from Scranton, Pa., who has lived America’s story. As he does in many speeches, he will likely reprise the personal and political setbacks he has suffered and say that he learned as a boy that “it’s not how many times you get knocked down, it’s how quickly you get up.”

    He will seeks to connect both himself and Mr. Obama to the larger narrative of American struggle and triumph and to appeal with the working-class, older, white Americans who flocked to Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and kept the contest close right up to the end of the primary calendar.

    Mr. Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is also expected to highlight his expertise on international matters, filling a gap in the young Mr. Obama’s relatively thin public policy resume.

    Mr. Obama, who has been touring the battleground states of Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri and Montana this week, is set to arrive in Denver about 6 p.m. and will probably appear on stage with Mr. Biden at the end of his remarks, which begin at about 8:30 p.m. local time.

    The convention moves from the Pepsi Center to the 70,000-seat Invesco Field for Thursday night’s acceptance speech by Senator Obama. Former Vice President Al Gore will speak before him.

    The Obama campaign announced today that after the convention ends, Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden will take a three-day bus tour of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan, three states that Mr. Obama lost to Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and that will be heavily contested in the fall.

  177. I’m just catching up on the hundreds of posts today on pumapac, and someone said Fox reported that the Obama campaign was having second thoughts about the Invesco Field extravaganza, lol.

  178. “It;s not just about politics…it’s really personal.” Hillary speaking to Emily List. “I know that Stephanie is here in spirit.”

  179. I seriously doubt that there is any truth whatsoever to this but I heard that Springsteen and Bon Jovi both pulled out of the Invesco gig and are being replaced by the Jonas Brothers,

  180. Hillary said in her speech, “….And you haven’t worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.”
    * * * * *
    EXACTLY.

  181. Obama is more of a ringer for Bush than McCain will EVER be. I don’t care what “policies” he mouths, the man is JUST LIKE GW in his character and in his soul.

  182. Bill’s coming on tonight at 9 pm EST, and will speak for 10 minutes, but it might be longer. (NYTimes)

  183. # mollyjrichards Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Admin, do you have this on tape?

    Molly, you know that you can download any video that is aired on C-Span on their website. If it’s not available today, definitely tomorrow.

  184. maybe someone posted above, but don’t have time to read up – did you all hear that the NJ delegation may vote unanimously for BO by acclamation? Clinton won NJ – this is disgusting if true:

    nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2008/08/new_jersey_delegation_at_dnc_d.html

    New Jersey delegation at DNC decides against roll call vote, will back Obama

    by The Jersey Journal Wednesday August 27, 2008, 11:21 AM

    The New Jersey delegation at the Democratic National Convention has voted unanimously to support Sen. Barack Obama’s nomination by acclamation tonight, rather than taking a roll call vote, according to Assemblywoman Joan Quigley, D-Jersey City, who is blogging from the convention for The Jersey Journal and Hudson County Now.

    New Jersey went for Sen. Hillary Clinton in the primary and Gov. Jon Corzine, as well as Sens. Robert Menendez and Frank Lautenberg, were strong Clinton supporters.

  185. I can’t help but suspect that the Obama campaign is naively making all sorts of procedural errors w/r/t delegate voting rules. The fact that Harold Ickes is still heavily involved behind the scenes gives me pause….

    😀

  186. The Rules

    ——————————————————————————–

    The only thing any delegate can do to stop this at this point is to contest the count of their state’s delegation chair, demanding a delegate-by-delegate tally, like Fannie Lou Hamer did in 1964.

    If anyone is in touch with a delegate, let them know that this is within the rules.

    There’s no formal mechanism within national party rules for each delegate’s vote to be recorded. What’s recorded is the vote of each state delegation.

  187. Okay, Mt. Obamalympus with the whole “Lost” plane crash…. I swear I’m living in an alternate reality.

    I’d say I need to drink less because obviously I must have blacked out and missed like 10 years ala Rip Van Winkle, but I’m presently at work and haven’t had even a beer since Friday evening, so I know it’s not possible. (I think I need one now.)

    So, just out of curiosity, is Nancy Pelosi going to show up in a toga and Prada gladiator sandals and ignite a torch by focusing Ted Kennedy’s bald spot on some dried olive leaves or cypress needles?

    Or are the columns really representative of the White House and his presumptuousness?

    BTW- Anyone see some asshat blogger named Elizabeth Joyce (hireheels.com) on Larry King last night? Jesus, she was embarrassing. “I’m a good Catholic girl from Boston and I don’t vote on the first date? WTF???? It’s like Larry’s producers found the flakiest, most sorry sounding, Clinton supporter to cut at the credibility of all Clinton/Nobama folks. Check out her site. It’s BS. Not only that but the shoes thing is disgusting. Not all Clintonites, PUMA’s , 18MV’ers, No Dealers are women- let alone semi-illiterate women with obvious sexual dysfunction.

    I wish the BM would interview folks like Admin, Norma, Heidi, or the delegate in Admin’s video in the OP. There are committed Hillary supporters who aren’t retarded out here. We’d love to be taken seriously if it weren’t for these egotistical ass fucks thinking they’re decent spokesmen or that their BS drivel is important.

  188. CTV, not trying to be glib, but does it matter anymore?

    It’s now up to the voters to end Obama’s lifelong dream to rule the universe. Most delegates are wusses who are destined to fall in-line. Obama will be nominated.

    I’m just more focuses on the post nomination.

  189. okieatty – i didn’t think Elizabeth Joyce was a good spokesperson for hireheels either – for someone whose partners at hireheels are publicists, Joyce needed some on-camera training – that frozen smile on her just looked creepy. They should always put Diane Montouvalas on – she is fantastic.

  190. We need to check something out.

    Did Obama give the game away. I’ve just read this on another blog.

    Obama introduced Joe Biden last night at the convention (even though Obama was in Montana), Obama extolled the similarities between Biden and him. One thing Obama said was that Biden and he were raised by single mothers, and Obama said something to the effect that he (Obama) was born and raised in Kenya by a single parent. Did Obama admit that he was born in Kenya given the fact that the lawsuit challenging his residency is in question?

  191. Panic is beginning to set in at the Obama camp, as they realize that their stage-planning for this convention has gone over like a lead zeppelin. After Hillary’s telegenic techno-wizardry last night (those gleaming white placards! perfect contrast of the rebel-tangerine pantsuit to the blue backdrop! etc.) they were thinking of scrapping the Invesco Field idea entirely, but for now, it’s still a go. They also scrapped Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi and are instead rolling out Stevie Wonder. Now, Stevie Wonder is a musical legend and one of my favorite artists of all time, hands down, but when your candidate is criticized for being elitist and presumptuous, do you really want “Signed, Sealed and Delivered” as your campaign song?! lol…

    From Politico:

    August 27, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama
    Stevie Wonder to perform at Mile High

    Stevie Wonder, an Obama favorite, will perform Thursday night at the climax of the Democratic National Convention.

    A local paper had reported that Bruce Springsteen would perform, but an Obama aide says the headliner is actually Wonder.

  192. hillary4texas!

    You are cracking me up.

    So the oracle of delphi is whispering prophecies from deep within the Temple of Obama.

    👿

  193. The fact that Pelosi wants the delegate voting done in private, off camera, reeks of the smoke-filled room, back-alley deals of yesteryear. Kids, the word of the day is: “panic.”

  194. happy day
    Idunn, wbboie, moononpluto, Okieatty and Hillary4texas on at the same time.
    Time to sit back and enjoy.

  195. “They also scrapped Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi and are instead rolling out Stevie Wonder. ”
    * * * * *
    Does it matter?

  196. Berkeley, The Boss may not be playing bc everytime he does, the Dem candidate loses. (True story.)

    CTV, I was nearly pulling my hair out listening to EJ speak. My fat dog could have done better while straining to take a dump than she did.

    Here’s a funny at NQ:

    Breaking!!
    Breaking!!
    Breaking!!

    Associalist Press August 26, 2008

    Obama Campaign Cancels Invesco Field
    Moving entire production to Beijing’s Bird Nest Stadium.

    15000 Chinese Performers have been called back to re-imagine the Olympic opening Ceremony as an homage to Obama’s amazing Life story. The Obama campaign is in full on marathon mode at the moment trying to get it all done.

    Tenative Schedule of set pieces:

    The Liberation of Auschwitz – complete with Bungee Jumping Paratroopers featuring Uncle Frank Parachuting in at the finale of the piece, 200,000 Goose-stepping Germans, and lots of skinny people.

    The March on Selma – The Phillipines prisoners in their now famous orange Jumpsuits have been recruited to do their Thriller performance as they march around the stadium. Stand ins for Obama’s parents will do their portion of the march around the top of the stadium along the screens just like the torch lighting

    The Birth of a messiah – A manger set being flown in from Jeruselem will be digital enhanced with hay, a goat, and donkeys. Dean Pelosi and Brazille will be playing the part of the three wise men. Rezko who is being released for this special even only will play Mary and Ayers will play Joseph as Obama’s Political Godmother and Father. I gigantic “O” will appear at center stage from which a Unity Pony with Wings will leap forth at the climax of this set piece ridden by Emil Jones who will Yell out “I Made Me a President!”

    Arrival of the One – Matrix directors the Wachowski Brothers and James Cameron will create an all new set piece using the latest digital effects to recreate the epic battle of Neo vs Agent Smith on the Titanic. Agent smith will be played by a pantsuit wearing middle aged bitter woman. Neo will be played by will smith.

    the Speech – The stadium floor will fill with water prior to the beginning of the speec. Obama will rise atop a rock in the middle of the man made sea. then, More hopey dopey change you can believe in. At the moment of the speech when he says this is the moment the seas begin to slow their rize, a massive hydroelectric set peice will recreate the Charlton Heston parting of the red sea.

    The Ascension – A massive pyro technic light show culminating in a series of seemingly suspended in thin air steps will appear as Obama climbs them to a platform high above the stadium floor where he will fit himself to a harness lowered from an unseen helicopter hovering high above. Then he will ascend into the clouds as Barbra Striesand and Donna Summer in a show of racial harmony sing “Enough is Enough”

    anonymous Obama campaign official says they have contacted Michael Phelps to see if he would let Obama wear his 8 gold medals during his speech. SO far Phelps has not responded to the request.

    Breaking!!
    Breaking!!
    Breaking!!

  197. So lets see, they scrapped the 2 white performers and put Jenifer hudson and Stevie wonder in. hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  198. BREAKING…. MCCAIN HAS PICKED UP ANOTHER POINT THIS MORNING, IN RASMUSSEN’S DAILY TRACKING POLL OVER OBAMA, AND NOW HOLDS A 47% – 46% LEAD OVER OBAMA. OBAMA IS GETTING A NEGATIVE BOUNCE FROM THE BIDEN ANNOUNCEMENT…. UNELECTABLE…

    ————-

    Wednesday, August 27, 2008

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote for the second straight day. When “leaners” are included, though, McCain picked up another point since yesterday and now has a statistically insignificant one-point advantage over Obama, 47% to 46% (sign up for daily e-mail update).

    This is the first time since August 9 that McCain has held any advantage over Obama. The candidates have been within two points of each other on every day but two for the past month

  199. IUnderground
    can that be true. I did get an email today saying Bon Jovi and Springsteen had pulled out but the jonas brothers were filling in. Know that the jonas bros is a joke but would love to see bruce pull out.

  200. The huge news of today:

    1) Obama continues to drop in overnight polls vs McCain. Absolutely historic to think that a candidate will get anything less than a 8-point bounce or so after a convention, and UNHEARD of to imagine what’s currently unfolding: a NEGATIVE bounce. You think that Dean and Pelosi and Brazile aren’t shi**ing bricks right now?!

    2) Hillary has still NOT released her delegates, and there is massive uncertainty as to how the actual superdelegate voting will play out. Pelosi is in charge, so of course it’s being horrendously managed

    3) Wolfson is going all out today, launching shock-and-awe attacks on MSNBC, Chris Matthews, and Chris Olbermann, on the air today.

  201. Is anyone else hearing of a mass walkout planned tonight. I so hope Bill Clinton leads it.. Its on a few blogs now, so hmm, there could be something to it.

  202. no one knows hich is the point. they took the tally in the hotels on ballots, read and rigged them and now are thrilled ot try rollcall. go figure. i smell lawsuit

  203. What time will be be speaking? I have asked and asked. And I will continue to ask until I get an answer. Can’t sit through biden.

  204. In my best ‘told-you-so’ manner, I just want to repeat that a year ago I suggested that the way to defeat Obama was ridicule. I recalled the way Truman was able to defeat the more handsome, dynamic and heavy, heavy favorite Dewey: “He looks like the groom on the top of the wedding cake”. He did. So nobody could forget it.

    McCain compared him to Paris Hilton. Paris helped by sounding better in her response. The BO people helped it by screaming about the ad, giving it further prominence. And BO enshrined it in our memories by acting just like Paris. Also, nobody who argued about it ever actually explained why the comparison was inept.

    That brings us to Bush. Irrespective of his misguided policies, you must admit that his administration has been remarkable, even astonishing. Who could have predicted the heights of incompetence they could achieve? Brownie/Katrina, Bremer/Iraq, Rumsfeld/strategy, Cheney/ all that and everything else….a stunning near 100% incompetence sweep.

    Now we have a chance to ‘change’ to Obama. What do we see? A stunning stupidity clone of Bush: Steal the election and when the deed is done, keep snarking at Hillary and her supporters. Never pass an opportunity to denigrate the leader of the party, Bill. Assume that if you cut him off prime time, nobody will rerun it and people will not tune in or record it. Spend two days of prime time TV without explaining who you are and what you will do (but he’s a dad!). Pick a VP who voted for the Iraq resolution, is in the pocket of credit card companies, voted for the bankruptcy bill — a gift to those compaines, is 65, gave us Clarence Thomas and has been in Wash nearly all his adult life. (There goes change, judgment and a Washington overhaul.) Reject the aforementioned Justice Thomas because he “didn’t have the experi”….ooops.

    Let the headline read: ‘Obama will ALLOW Hillary to speak at convention’. Allow a 2 week narrative about whether or not there will be a roll call vote to which Hill and all the delegates are entitled. Say nothing when your campaign threatens, tries to intimidate, and insults reluctant voters. Don’t include Hill in your choice or your plans. Have your VP incredibly state that the Dem party has never been so united in his lifetime. (There goes his credibilty — and yours — in guffaws of laughter. And there goes his effectiveness if he couldn’t say to you “I CAN’T SAY THAT LINE”)

    Having reneged on public financing, FISA, and Iraq withdrawal, and having lost change and judgment and corporate-free Washinton, what have we got? A cult of celebrity. A bottomless pit of misjudgments. Toxic associates. Dangerous instincts. Weakness. Mistrust. And Bush-like heights of incompetence.

  205. I still wanna know why the hell every song at the convention was a discotastic blast from the past?

    What the hell? Nobody in the organizing committee has heard any music since 1976?

  206. I forgot the other disastrous campaign strategy.

    First, accuse Bill Clinton of racism. Then the Hillary people. Then McCain. This makes the charge “All white people are racists.” In a majority white election, this is brilliant.

    And today, after Hillary’s fantastic speech and gracious and generous endorsement, spread the word that the only way he loses is white racism.
    Insist that there is no other reason to vote against Obama.

    What a scorched earth tactic. If he loses, we will be accused of racism. When the next AA wants to run, how many voters will say, “Not that again! I don’t want to play ‘racist’ again.”

  207. lol @ idunn

    i know that political conventions always have a certain politico-nerdiness-dorkiness factor to them, but this one is just ridiculous. having the live orchestra kills the vibe. also, having all the stupid blogging booths and exhibitions on the concourse means that everyone’s always walking around, instead of paying attention to the speakers. david gergen has been tsk-tsk-ing about this almost hourly on CNN (“what are the Democrats waiting for here?” etc)

  208. Sorry
    IM with my baby brother ,24, who has started dating the daughter of a Pitt professor and has now become a die hard Obama supporter. Really sad I asked him what state Obama represented and he could not answer. name an accomplishment. no answer. very frustrating. He actually wrote it is time that we need to learn how to believe again in something and someone beyond ourselves and Obama can show the way. The Scream by Edvard Munch now has a whole new meaning for me.

  209. The music has been hideous! But for the Ivestco field fiasco…I hear in my mind the theme from Jesus Christ Superstar, with dancing spotlights on the Greek Temple as Obama is lowered from above on a cherry picker, cleverly disguised as a puffy white cloud, or perhaps as Ezekiel’s chariot

  210. # Idunn Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    I still wanna know why the hell every song at the convention was a discotastic blast from the past?

    What the hell? Nobody in the organizing committee has heard any music since 1976?

    You guys don’t see the connection? Post Watergate era circa 1970s… The Dems think they have the best chance to take the Oval office, the House and Senate since that time. What better way to remind everyone then music from that era.

  211. from Riverdaughter (whoah) —


    What’s going on? Day 3
    Posted on August 27, 2008 by riverdaughter

    Rumors are swirling fast and furiously around here. I am trying to confirm the following:

    * The delegates voted this morning from their hotel rooms and the vote was so close that Pelosi is trying to do damage control. We don’t know what the status of the roll call is at this time or whether there will be one.
    * Bill Clinton refuses to stick to the script that was written for him and may not be speaking tonight.

    I am trying to confirm these rumors with someone working on the delegate petitions. But I just called him a second ago and he sounds really, REALLY busy and overwhelmed. I hope he’ll call me back in a bit.

    Superdelegates: We all want to have a Democrat in the White House next year. There is only one winning Democratic ticket. That is Hillary on top and Obama as VP.

  212. saw this and smiled:

    “Remember those famous words heard by incredelous Mary-Antoinette and Louis XVI.

    SIR IT IS NOT A REVOLT, IT IS A REVOLUTION.”

  213. Henry, please hit your brother for me. Open palm or closed fist. Your choice. That boy needs some damn sense knocked into him.

    Idunn, Hillary’s video actually had Lennie Kravitz. He’s half-Jew, half black. Think she was off setting the Muslim in 👿 ? 😉 No, seriously, his music is at least from the last decade.

    Word to the wise: quit watching that shit. It will not make you feel better. Your blood pressure will rise and more often than not when they do interview a Hillary supporter they will have picked the dumbest, most inarticulate one they can find. The US Open is on. Check out the recent Olympians. Read a book even. But watching this farce isn’t going to help shit.

  214. From Ben Smith at Politico.com

    A traditional roll call

    Barack Obama’s campaign has reverted to plans for a traditional roll call on the convention floor, and the Denver Post reports that delegates are voting this morning in their hotels.

    There’s a bit of confusion about the plans for a roll call, and some Democrats say they’re dissatisfied by a process that has them voting in private, by state. But that’s the old-fashioned way, says my colleague Andy Glass, who’s covered these for years. The roll call is a roll call of states, not of delegates, and there was never the prospect of a one-by-one show of hands on the convention floor.

    In rare cases, a member of the delegation may ask to be recognized and contest the count of the delegation chair, demanding a delegate-by-delegate tally. That’s extremely rare: Glass cited the 1964 contested Mississippi delegation as one case.

    Indeed, there’s not even any formal mechanism within national party rules for each delegate’s vote to be recorded. What’s recorded is the vote of each state delegation.

    A Democratic Party official, speaking on background, said this afternoon would begin with a nominating speech for Hillary Clinton, followed by two seconding speeches. Then, Colorado Senator Ken Salazar will nominate Barack Obama, followed by three seconding speeches.

    State tally sheets will be due by 4:00 p.m., Mountain Time.

    “Once the nominating speeches are concluded, the vote tally sheets will be collected by the Office of the Secretary,” the official said. “We will then begin the Roll Call of the States and the delegation chair or his or her designee will announce the totals for each candidate.”

    Options discussed yesterday — including a shortened roll call — would require a motion to suspend the convention’s regular rules, which doesn’t seem currently to be in the offing.

    UPDATE: An Obama aide says this is the plan in the schedule; there is still the possibility, of course, that someone — probably Hillary — could move to shorten the roll call.

  215. more chaos:

    “Fox just interviewed a Hillary delegate online from MI who reported that out of 31 delegates only 8 voted for Hillary even though they were all originally pledged to her. Just an idea of how this is shaking out.”

  216. Okie
    I plan and watching Bill and bill only
    Ps when nasty started speaking I needed to find anything to flee and ended up watching Saving Grace with Holly Hunter. Don’t watch much episodic tv but was impressed.

  217. henry, was your brother political before or did he just suddenly become one?

    I have family members who have never cared about politics before. Then all of the sudden, they make great predictions about how Obama will win. These types are so influenced by what they they see and hear then don’t know what the hell is the truth.

  218. many of you have decided that McCain will get your vote and I respect that, what I do know is that neither McCain nor Obama will get my vote.

    I have been a community, political and labor activist for much of my adult working life. I understand up close the complexity of issues. I have worked alongside some great leaders and have fought with all my heart and soul the good fight. Working 16-18 hour days non stop 7days a week to help those of us that need it most.

    the ideals that have been the cornerstone of the democratic party have been what I lived and breathed for more than 30 years.

    this is one of the hardest struggles of my entire life, 1. to turn my back on the party that has been my life for so long, and 2. turn my back on Hillary as I cannot follow her lead in endorsing BHO.

    So maybe there will be some of us that throw our vote away to a third party, or for principle write in Hillary’s name or even stay home and there are those of that will vote for BHO. these are the decisions that a lot of us will struggle with. It makes us no less angry at what has happened, it makes us no less adoring of Hillary, it makes us no less wanting a voice

    Do not belittle those of us that are looking for an option to your choice. This has already been painful enough.

    All I ask for as a Hillary supporter is the same respect that you demand.

    I love you guys

  219. Arabella on RD nails it:

    Arabella Trefoil, on August 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm Said:

    Pelosi dons her pink suit of pissiness so that she can look more like her idol, Delores Umbridge.

    All of the delegates are locked in their hotel rooms etching “I must not vote for Hillary” on their forearms using the Exacto knives placed in their AT&T totes.
    They must continue carving these words into their own flesh until “the message sinks in.”

  220. This farce is happening under Nancy Pelosi’s watch. She should be ashamed of herself, for blocking the democratic process. This is unforgiveable.

  221. debbie, I will argue hard for my point of view, but I will respect yours, with one exception: I have no sympathy for anyone who votes for BHO, fully cognizant of what and who he is – none.

  222. filbertsf
    nope all about the girl. She was born and raised in academia. Great thing is that he has just moved and it will never occur to him that he needs to change his registration. I sure as hell won’t tell him.

  223. abstaining from voting or a write-in is essentially a vote for Obama. I just don’t get it.

    I’ll respect your decision and everything (whatever that means), but you also have to understand the consequences of your actions.

    I’m not exactly thrilled about voting for McCain, but gotta do what I gotta do to keep The Chosen out of the Oval Office. If that means going against all of my political beliefs, then so be it.

  224. fibertsf

    I don’t think you are going against all of your political beliefs, as you first belief is in a DEMOCRACY.

    DEMOCRACY 1ST
    PARTY 2ND

  225. abstaining from voting or a write-in is essentially a vote for Obama.

    It’s no more a vote for Obama than it is a vote for McCain.

  226. HillaryforTexas

    I have fought hard to protect free and equal access to our government, more importantly the right for every citizen to vote.

    I will actively educate those wishing the knowledge about the differences of the candidates as I have always done. I will not promote BHO because he is a candidate without qualification and has gone back on his word and has questionable relationships(and because I can’t stand his wife)

    After this election I hope to be working more on this because election and campaign reform are so critical.

    something that all people need to look at is the redistricting coming up with the next census. Don’t let your representatives pick you…you choose your representatives.
    Don’t let them tear up the map so they have a stonghold in any one district.
    Make them fight for you.

  227. People will do what they must. They own their vote. So long as they don’t vote for The One, I am cool with it.

  228. I’ll vote McCain because at least with McCain, i know the country will be safe.

    With Obama, fuck No.

    Thats the big difference when it comes down to it.

    Do you trust this man to keep your kids or life alive?

  229. If they do vote for The One, I am still cool with their right to do it, I just think they are stupid fucks.

  230. ((((Debbie)))) It is a heart-wrentching decision. It is one of the biggest inner conflicts I have ever had and I am not exaggerating. It is an extremely personal decision. I appreciate your sentiments and I respect your decision whatever it is.

    That is something that we have almost always had on this blog: we listen to one another, we might argue or disagree but we do respect one another. At least that’s how it appears to me.

    I have voted for a 3rd party candidate before..so I have been through this sort of decision before. I went against my political beliefs and basically made a protest vote. However, I was no where near as invested back then…way back in 1980? was it…than I am today. I have never felt about any candidate the way i feel about Hillary, and I have never had such an uh-oh feeling as I have about Barack.

    There is no easy way through this one, whatever anybody decides.

  231. HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
    If they do vote for The One, I am still cool with their right to do it, I just think they are stupid fucks.
    *******
    DITTO

  232. bill today-
    At a private lunch Wednesday for donors at Denver’s Brown Palace, the former president said, “Last night after she spoke, anyone who helped her were glad they did. And some were sad they didn’t.”

    “They tried to make her seem like the establishment candidate. But did you know she has never run in a Democratic primary in her life?”
    thepage

  233. HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    OMG, LOOK AT THIS PICTURE!!!

    ROTFLMAO!!! Ohhhh, I LOVE it!!!
    —————-

    That is the pic that I was trying to link.
    I have it saved. I hope it shows up in a McCain ad.
    Such gems should be shared with bambi’s adoring public.

  234. For me it comes down to:

    Write in Hillary, and cost Obama a lost point (-1), or

    Vote McCain, and cost Obama two points (-2)

    …still haven’t decided. Time will tell. The video of the SD in admin’s original post sums it all up.

  235. I am in mourning.

    To think we could have had a decent, devoted, distinguished democrat in the WH after
    8 years of Bush and it’s been denied us.

    Anyone else depressed?

    🙁

  236. ok, the greek columns at Invesco is a hoot. Roman Emperors were thought of as Divine.

    I always took Obama’s “Messianic” complex with a grain of salt – but this is embarrassing that he thinks like this.

  237. Ok so back to the convention circus folks!!!!

    thanks for letting me talk about that

    truly
    (a lifelong member of the sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits)

  238. I barely remember this, but it seems like back in the 60’s, my parents, their friends, every adult I knew was very secretive about who they would vote for. My parents, I’m sure discussed it with one another, but in the compnay of others, nobody said…and nobody seemed to dare ask.

    Was that my imagination? Or did it really used to be like that?

  239. henry Says:
    I think they ran an AA against her intentionally. …. started sniffing around the Chicago dumpsters to find an empty suit to take her down. and what a great way to negate the historic run than with a black man
    =============

    I agree that a tokne black was a good race card to play and Obama was very willing to play it. Also Brazile has been plugging Obaam himself since 2004 see “why people hate democrats”.

    Previous to 2004 Obama had a “2010-2012-2016 plan” ie to win some election in 2010 (re-electin to Senat or gov) and not run for Pres before 2012 or 2016 at latest. After he got much publicity they decided to move that up. See Chi Trib provile linked from ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground

    He had a lot ofa advantages agaisnt Hillary, as his people are young machos and latte liesures able to caucus andthose who need her issues are unble to caucus.

  240. filbertsf Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    abstaining from voting or a write-in is essentially a vote for Obama. I just don’t get it. I’ll respect your decision and everything (whatever that means), but you also have to understand the consequences of your actions.
    &&&&&&&&

    1. Not supporting Candidate X is passive. Like a Frenchman telling advancing Germans, “I will not feed you, nor give you directions”.

    2. It might feel good to vote for a longshot third party, or write-in ex- Candidate Y who dropped out, but that too is like the first option.

    3. Voting for the main opponent of Candidate X is active. Like that Frenchman shooting at advancing troops headed toward Paris (no doubt for its exceptional night life). “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. It not only starves Candidate X, but it feeds their opponent.

    If Obama is forced by court challenge to withdraw due to citizenship/ birth cert. issues, and the Dems quickly recover by putting in Hillary (an extremely long shot), then I can have my beer and drink it too. Otherwise, the honorable Mr. McCain will get my vote, and I’ll have four years to dissect his record to and for Hillary to get her game plan together for 2012.

    That said, if you opt for choices 1 or 2, it’s your decision. It’s a free country, despite what Obama and the Bots think.

  241. Debbie, you are where we here are. We just cannot take that final step to McCain. But we do understand and shockingly appreciate those who can take that step. We never thought we would see the day when Fox News would actually be “fair and balanced” as compared to those that we thought were friends but turned out to be vicious misogynists.

    We’ve seen a lot of things we thought we would never see. Never thought we would see the day Bill and Hillary and Geraldine would be called racists by Democrats. Never thought we would see the day the Democratic Party would steal delegate votes as in Michigan and disenfranchise Florida.

    We understand what you are going through. It will be strange this election day in NOvember sleeping in late, going to a beach or restaurant of movie or concert instead of doing GOTV. It will be strange. But this election we have witnessed a strange new undemocratic army of zealots seize control of the Democratic Party.

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=721#comment-194673

  242. I watched Spike Lee on Fox this morning he said word for word “Everything will change when Obama is elected President. It will be like BB AND BA – Before Barack and After Barack. United States will be changed forever. Are you scared I am.

  243. Anyone else depressed?

    I’ve actually had several bouts with tears today. That’s why I posted the ADFAB video…just to break it up a bit.

    And, of course , the Great Roman Tragedy that will descend upon us Thurdays night helps too. 😉

  244. The Greek temple stage for Obama’s speech is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard, in all of American politics during my lifetime. This rivals Newt Gingrich’s stupid little ice-bucket prop back in ’94 and Dukakis goofing around in that tank helmet in ’88. Lordy, lordy, lordy…

  245. Berkeley Vox Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    For me it comes down to:

    Write in Hillary, and cost Obama a lost point (-1), or

    Vote McCain, and cost Obama two points (-2)
    &&&&&&&

    Berk, I understand your math. However, here’s another analysis:

    1. write in HRC (or Jerry Garcia for that matter)
    points for Obama: 0
    points for McCain; 0

    But it feels good.

    2. vote for McCain:
    points for Obama: 0
    points for McCain: 1

    Ahhh, feels even better, not letting Stick Man get behind the Oval Office desk.

  246. Dukakis goofing around in that tank helmet in ‘88

    LMAO! I forgot all about that. (still voted for the turd though)

  247. Rahm says McCain camp injected race into race

    My colleague Alex Burns, reporting from today’s Politico/Yahoo!/Denver Post breakfast, has Rahm Emanuel’s analysis of how the McCain camp used the race issue this summer:

    Paying Republicans a backhanded compliment, House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel said on Wednesday that the McCain campaign had succeeded in making race a factor in this presidential election.

    “They did a good job bringing up a topic they wanted brought up,” Emanuel said. By suggesting the Obama campaign had brought up race first, he added, Republicans had managed to raise the issue without provoking backlash.

    On July 31, John McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, accused Barack Obama of playing “the race card,” after the Illinois senator had said Republicans would point out “he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”

    “They got it through customs,” Emanuel said, claiming Republicans had raised the race issue under the guise of indignation, as they have done in the past.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/Rahm_says_McCain_camp_injected_race_into_race.html
    ******************************************************
    It is just so amazing how ignorantly stupid Team Obama is. Since I’m voting for McCain I hope Rahm Emanuel continue going down this path because they will surely hand California over to McCain sooner.

  248. Idunn,

    I’ve been having panic attacks all day. It feels like I’m the one tied to the stake trying to hold my head up as the fire is lit.

    What was done to HRC was done to all of us. She just handles it so much better than anyone else.
    I am moved by her pride, her dignity, her passion.

    She is our 21st century Joan of Arc.
    This will probably be my last day as a frequent poster, here. I feel devastated.

  249. Nice, yeah, I like that rgb44hrc.

    Check this out — a little update from Riverdaughter. Not sure what it means, but I love the fighting spirit:

    ————-
    Hillary gained back 10 delegates! Terry McAuliffe is telling the delegates that they are to keep fighting.

  250. Laugh-out-loud funny, from Wonkette:

    ——
    WORST. IDEA. EVER.

    Obama’s Pagan Greek Temple Sets Stage For Most Presumptuous Hedonist Acceptance Speech Since Kennedy’s

    Oh, this is perfect. After spending all week straining to convince voters that he is a humble, all-American God-fearing Christian regular Joe, Barack Obama will deliver his acceptance speech tomorrow night from a structure that ABC News says “resembles an ancient Greek temple.” Because nothing hits the trifecta of Hollywood, presumption, and alternate religion like a wine-soaked polytheist boy-f*cking Vegas pleasure dome in the middle of a massive arena.

  251. This will probably be my last day as a frequent poster, here.

    Take a day and cry your heart out. Then…dust yourself off and get your ass back in here. We still have work to do. 👿

  252. hillary released her dels and many shouted at her no

    No as in, “Noooo! Please don’t do it” ?
    Or no as in, “Hell NO! We won’t go!” ?

  253. Yes, it is in the healthcare field, I will be xraying again, just for a much better hospital. St Luke’s Episcopal Hospital!

  254. berkeley vox,

    Thanks for trying to cheer me up but it feels like women’s rights have taken a huge step backwards
    with this election and I’m not optimistic we will ever recover.

    I have many theories about this including the differing perspectives on gender rights within various cultures.

    What I (you/we) think of as empowering and liberating may be regarded by women from other groups as unimportant or irrelevant. But thanks anyway.

  255. I am not sure anybody can say for sure what is going on inside the convention right now. I heard that the roll call will begin shortly and that Hillary will show up on the convention floor for the roll call. That is all I know. I am watching CNN and not chasing all the rumors (or even starting them)…

    My gut tells me several things: that it is in fact true that delegates were pressured like hell to switch from Hillary to BO. We heard reports of this starting with the convention, including some offering up of bribes, and it is consistent with all of the behavior we saw at caucuses. I also believe that there are large numbers of delegates who are sticking with Hillary. The take seriously their responsibility on behalf of Hillary and her many supporters who caucsed and voted for her. Hillary told us, when you caucus, you are there not just for yourself, but for all of the people who can’t caucus…the working mom, the disabled person who couldn’t get out, the older person who could no longer drive. The very thought that the delegates are somehow to just give it up is obscene.

  256. I am watching a whip telling the Mississippi delegation that Hillary doesn’t want any drama today. That disgusts me.

  257. I’m gonna go put on cnn.

    I’ll check in with you guys later.

    (((Basil))) Think of Stephanie saying, “STEP UP!” 🙂

  258. Republicans Like Winning:

    Well, that’s not news. But this is hot off the AP presses:

    GOP platform backs off Arctic oil to Help McCain

    That’s right. Knowing that McCain is trying to woo centrists, independents, and die -hard lefties who supported Clinton, they’re going to subvert their knee jerk desire for drilling in ANWAR to oblige McCain, who in turn is trying to make himself acceptable.

    Meanwhile, Obama / Brazile / Pelosi / Dean continue to exceed expectations in how fast they can chase die-hard Dems out from their tent, so that there will be extra room for the “new and intermittent voters”.

  259. Neal Cavuto is interviewing a Hillary delegate who remains a Hillary delegate and will vote for Hillary and appears will be NObama November.

  260. MEGA-CAUCUS IN DENVER:

    mollyjrichards Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    My gut tells me several things: that it is in fact true that delegates were pressured like hell to switch from Hillary to BO. We heard reports of this starting with the convention, including some offering up of bribes, and it is consistent with all of the behavior we saw at caucuses.
    &&&&&&&

    Mollyj, this whole convention is the Mega-Causus, Caucuszilla. Same low-brow tactics brought to you by the same low-lifes.

    And this will inspire us to “join Team Obama”, and “unite behind the Nominee”???

    No dice, baby. Nobama.

  261. I dont care about the Greek Temple. That is much to do about nothing. Last time I checked a temple was standard issue for a god, especially one born in Kenya with Indonesian citizenship who has 3 or 4 different aliases. The queston I am interested in is whether any of the money for this temple came from Chicago and whether there is a spare bedroom for Wright or Pheglar. By the way, Ayers will be doing the fire works at the Ivesco event and the Dever Fire Marshall has asked him please do not get carried.

  262. To not vote, to vote third party, to write in, Obama loses one point;
    To vote for McCain, Obama loses two points…

    It all comes down to math, it is really that simple.

    I have zero affection over McCain, but I don’t want to suffer 8 years of that narcassist in the white house with all sorts of antics that may make George W. Bush appear normal…

    It comes down to this simple question: do you want to take a chance to watch that egomanic on TV in your living room for another 8 years starting from Jan 1, 2009?

    My answer is absolutely NO. By voting McCain, you’re maximizing the chance to defeat that fraud…

  263. # Idunn Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    (or Jerry Garcia for that matter)

    I actually did that last election. No kidding.
    &&&&&&

    Way cool.

    I saw the Dead like about 60 times (ya know, man, after a while, you like, lose count). I came back from a concert in 1984 with a Garcia For President t-shirt, with a picture of Jerry and his hand up with the missing finger, and these choices:

    _ Democratic Party
    _ Republican Party
    _ Might As Well Party

  264. Barf Alert: Live television shot of Obama’s plane landing in Denver.

    No word on whether a new logo featuring Greek temple is painted on the aircraft.

    A thought: you think they are trying to re-create the Lincoln Memorial in honor of the I Have A Dream Speech? OMG. He is so nuts. How does he get through the door with that ego?

  265. riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
    What’s going on? Day 3- UPDATE 2
    Posted on August 27, 2008 by riverdaughter
    Rumors are swirling fast and furiously around here. I am trying to confirm the following:
    The delegates voted this morning from their hotel rooms and the vote was so close that Pelosi is trying to do damage control. We don’t know what the status of the roll call is at this time or whether there will be one.
    Bill Clinton refuses to stick to the script that was written for him and may not be speaking tonight.

  266. looks like trouble

    Delegates telling CNN they will feel angry and cheated if the vote is stopped even by Hillary herself.

  267. Idunn,

    You’re a ‘sweetie.’ 😉

    wbboei,

    this is the first time i laughed all day.
    ‘By the way, Ayers will be doing the fire works at the Ivesco event and the Dever Fire Marshall has asked him please do not get carried away.”

  268. I don’t know if it is true or not, but it would be something. Bill would leave and everyone would leave the convention center that supports Hillary.

    I wonder how they could stop that. I guess they would try.

    People, how can you hear all of WHAT HAS GONE ON and not know you have lost your democracy????

    PUMA

    I OWN MY VOTE.

  269. nicely summed up, kostner.

    basil, definitely take a break. i took one and i found myself removed from it all.

    oh, and if someone imps your handle while you’re away and post trollish things, we’ll try to keep in mind that it’s not you.

  270. Bummer, NYT reporting that all delegates have been released, and Bambi will officially be the nominee soon. Damn.

    —–
    August 28, 2008
    Clinton Frees Delegates, Ensuring Fast Nomination
    By JOHN M. BRODER

    DENVER – Senator Barack Obama will officially become the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party later on Wednesday after his primary season rival, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, released her delegates to vote for him and declared that she would support him and his running mate, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    Mrs. Clinton told her delegates they were free to vote for Mr. Obama during the afternoon nominating roll call, but she did not direct them to do so. “I am here to release you as my delegates,” she told her supporters at the Convention Center in Denver, according to The Associated Press. Many responded with shouts of “No, no.” She added, to cheers, “I am not telling you what to do.”

    The announcement of Mrs. Clinton’s move largely ended any suspense about how the nominating process would play out and assured that Mr. Obama would appear before the convention Thursday evening with the vigorous support of the more than 4,400 Democratic Party delegates.

    The formal roll call of the states will begin at 4 p.m. local time and end quickly with the nomination of Mr. Obama, the first African-American presidential candidate of a major political party.

    The timing of the vote means that before most Americans tune into the proceedings, Mr. Obama, the Hawaiian-born son of a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, will be the Democrats’ nominee to become the 44th president of the United States. Still, the formal nomination of Mr. Obama will not completely end the drama that has riven the Obama and Clinton camps and provided a consuming story line of this convention. At 7 p.m. local time, former President Bill Clinton is scheduled to address the convention, whose theme today is foreign policy and a tribute to the military, giving the Clintons two nights of prominence at this high-profile event.

    A draft of Mr. Clinton’s speech will be sent to the Obama campaign later this afternoon, a Clinton aide said. Mr. Obama has said in recent days that the former president free to talk about whatever subject he chooses, though he has been granted only 10 minutes of podium time (though that might change). Mr. Clinton’s aides said he intends to deliver an impassioned plea for Democratic unity and an end to what he will characterize as the fiscal and foreign policy disasters of the Bush administration.

    An aide to the former president said Mr. Clinton will be as supportive of Mr. Obama as Mrs. Clinton was in her 23-minute address on Tuesday.

    “It’s as strong as she was in every respect,” the aide said. “And shorter.”

    Mrs. Clinton silenced some fears among Obama supporters that her endorsement of her bitter primary rival would be less than total with a well-received speech on Tuesday night.

    With her husband watching from a skybox, Mrs. Clinton rallied her supporters behind Mr. Obama, saying there was no more important task facing them and the country, regardless of any lingering ill will.

    “Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose,” Mrs. Clinton said Tuesday night to loud applause. “And you haven’t worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.”

    Mr. Clinton’s speech on Wednesday will be followed by the nomination of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware as the party’s vice-presidential candidate and finally by Mr. Biden’s acceptance speech.

    Mr. Biden’s task, in what will be the most important speech in his 36-year career in politics, will be to wrest the convention away from the Clintons and back to a sharp focus on the Obama-Biden ticket. Although he has been in the Senate since 1973 and run for president twice, Mr. Biden will also seek to introduce himself to an audience that knows little about him.

    In accepting Mr. Obama’s invitation to join the ticket on Saturday, Mr. Biden characterized himself as the son of blue-collar America, an Irish-Catholic kid from Scranton, Pa., who has lived America’s story. As he does in many speeches, he will likely reprise the personal and political setbacks he has suffered and say that he learned as a boy that “it’s not how many times you get knocked down, it’s how quickly you get up.”

    He will seeks to connect both himself and Mr. Obama to the larger narrative of American struggle and triumph and to appeal with the working-class, older, white Americans who flocked to Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and kept the contest close right up to the end of the primary calendar.

    Mr. Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is also expected to highlight his expertise on international matters, filling a gap in the young Mr. Obama’s relatively thin public policy resume.

    Mr. Obama, who has been touring the battleground states of Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri and Montana this week, is set to arrive in Denver about 6 p.m. and will probably appear on stage with Mr. Biden at the end of his remarks, which begin at about 8:30 p.m. local time.

    The convention moves from the Pepsi Center to the 70,000-seat Invesco Field for Thursday night’s acceptance speech by Senator Obama. Former Vice President Al Gore will speak before him.

    The Obama campaign announced today that after the convention ends, Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden will take a three-day bus tour of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan, three states that Mr. Obama lost to Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and that will be heavily contested in the fall.

  271. basil9 Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I am in mourning.
    ——————
    The way I was through the primary, my husband was actually worried about how I would react to the outcome of Hillary not being the nominee. I am surprised at my calmness and two things have helped me. 1) Hillary proved to me and to the whole nation that she was more than worthy of our votes and proved beyond a shadow of doubt she was the winning candidate — she did all I needed her to do intellectually and politically (so I was not just a die-hard supporter because I want a woman president which is where I started.); 2) all the injustices and nefarious activities by people who rigged the system — that kind of corruption can not be corrected fully by one single person like me but we all collectively tried and it was too much for even for all of us. But I can still play my part in bringing these clowns down by voting McCain and that is where I am focusing right now.

    There is some bereavement but there is also hope and a window of opportunity for 2012 if we bring this guy down now. So what a missed opportunity but will we get a second chance? Well, the latter part is in our hands and let us give ourselves a second chance.

    Defeating Obama is now paramount to sending them the signal that they can’t corrupt our democratic systems and processes.

  272. # basil9 Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    I’ve been having panic attacks all day. It feels like I’m the one tied to the stake trying to hold my head up as the fire is lit.

    This will probably be my last day as a frequent poster, here. I feel devastated.
    &&&&&&&

    My father-in-law had panic attacks, and my wife occasionally does to. I recently read something about them in this book I bought, “Ultra-Longevity” (Mark Liponis, MD). Chapter 3 “Breathe” has this:

    Panic attacks are seldom caused by genuine panic. Most often
    they’re caused by improper breathing.

    He describes how muscles in your chest and abdomen become tense, restricting your breathing and causing faster, shallower breaths, making it harder for your body to access oxygen carried by your blood’s hemoglobin. This turns into a downward spiral effect.
    He recommends breathing into a paper bag, so that you breathe in more carbon dioxide, which helps normalize carbon dioxide levels in your blood.

    As you being a frequent poster here, your opinion is always welcome, or just lurk. Never feel like a stranger. And this site, with all the smart, caring people in it, still has many functions and purposes, some more immediate, some longer term.

    We Rule!!!

  273. You guys ever think maybe HRC just wants to put the Primary behind her and move on? Why delay the inevitable, ya know?

    She stills to retire her debt and perhaps decide whether she will run again if BO fails.

    It’s been a long and tiring process for her and I guess I would understand her wanting to just let it go.

  274. Okay so will Obama be wearing a toga and a straw wreath in his hair, along with sandals?

    Will there be slave girls peeling grapes for him?

    Will there be hosanna chants ala Jesus Christ Superstar?

    Will there be lightning? Or maybe just fire crackers?

    Oh and who will be introducing him? Will Elvis Presley be back in the house? 😉

    And one last thing…

    Congratulations Confloyd on your new job! Well done! 🙂

  275. I put in a call a few minutes ago to find out what the actual scuttlebutt is. If I get a call back, I’ll post here.

  276. There is no way that Obama’s thugs will allow this to be anything but a huge win for him. They will do whatever it takes to minimize her numbers and give him an overwhelming majority.

  277. JANH:

    Hobamma, Heybamma, Bama Bama Ho
    BamaHey, BamaHo
    Bama
    Hey BO
    BO
    There’s only one way to go
    Bama Hey
    Bama Ho
    Go
    Away

    Doesn’t rhyme, sorry

  278. This goes beyond this convention. This is our Democracy, and how the Democratic party thought they could shove someone down our throats.

    basil9, hang in there.

  279. So freaking ridiculous, I am a Hillary Clinton supporter and I stand with her as she stands with Obama—FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

  280. Hillary was just 2nd by a young man, 3rd youngest delegate. He was from Utah. Denise Williams, an AA woman from NY, is 2nd Hillary’s nomination. good choices for nominators – diversity of age, color, gender, ethnicity, etc.

  281. These are my thoughts on Godbama v. McCain

    – nothing brings clarity to the mind more than having one steal your vote, or one’s right to vote. Nothing.

    It is what being an American is all about. Self determination.
    It is why we go to war, why soldiers have died.
    If nothing else, I must honor the sacrifice of those that have died defending my right to vote, by voting soberly and religiously.
    I’ll do everything that I can to guard jealously this one single act.
    If a candidate cannot understand or respect this sacred right, then he
    understands nothing about America or democracy.

  282. The only way O knows to win is to cheat. He has cheated his way this far, and so will continue into the GE. The only differenct is the Reps are smart at that sort of thing.

  283. Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, and others, may they receive their just rewards for undermining our democracy. What an evil group of people.

  284. Filberts: my health is already in the toilet. Somebody needs to watch just to have a record in writing and to send support to those still standing with our girl.

  285. confloyd Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    A FUCKING REPUBLICAN TO NOMINATE THE FRAUD–BULLSHIT!!!

    WHO?

  286. yesssss! confirmation of what we’ve all known:

    ———
    From this afternoon’s NYT:

    “Mrs. Clinton is almost certain to run for president in 2012 if Mr. Obama fails this time, several Clinton advisers said Tuesday, and any such plan could possibly founder if the Clintons’ negative feelings show through this year….” [snip]

  287. confloyd congrats on the job. I think it was in the Houston area. They say the medical there is among the best.

  288. Read the speech again.
    * * * * *
    “If you hear the dogs, keep going.If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.

    If they’re shouting after you, keep going.

    Don’t ever stop. Keep going.

    If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.”
    * * * * *
    We’ll keep going.

  289. Berkeley that is a green light for all of us to go out and vote McCain!

    Hillary 2012!

    We’ve waited this long and we could wait another 4 years

  290. Yes, so far at this convention have had a Republican speaker, a pro-life bastard Casey speaking on the anniversary of womens suffrage, some prayer meetings with anti-abortion zealots, and a Republican nominating Barack.

    I can’t believe this is the Democratic Party.

  291. Aw fuck…. the Greek columns. The fanfare, the confetti.

    👿 is the re-inacrnation of Narcissus.

    Damn, how did I miss that earlier?

    Duh!

  292. Debbie WAsserman Schultz now 2nd’s the nomination of OBama (she was a Clinton co chair in FL).

  293. Confloyd (I’m at work) so the history books will say, “Hillary Clinton was the first woman to win the popular vote in a primary election and received the most votes ever in any primary election?

  294. I wanted to like Obama, but his first comments regarding his positions
    was read my book. Then he stole Hillary’s platform and ideas, as well as some of Edwards.
    He lifted other’s speeches, he all too easily slipped on the mantle of MLK which he did nothing to deserve. Before I knew what was happening hewas the next JFK, with the full throated approval of Teddie and MSM.
    Hill and Bill were now the new face of racism, as were their supporters,
    Lifelong democrats were now racists, and irrational Clinton hatred was in vogue for the DNC. Whole state were considered racist because of their support for HRC. Completely dismissed. This is not the democratic party I knew.

  295. basil9, what the hell happened to you? you’re one of the spunkiest, stubbornest little bitch on this site (and I say all of this respectfully :)]. Keep your chin up and let’s work for a Obama defeat and look forward to 2012!

  296. DENVER (CNN) – The Emmy-winning “Yes We Can” video that spliced together clips of Barack Obama’s New Hampshire primary night speech and set it to music, will be re-created live on stage at Invesco Field in Denver Thursday night before the Illinois senator accepts the Democratic presidential nomination there.

    The video, which appeared shortly before Super Tuesday, became an Internet sensation. It was adopted by the Obama campaign, and used often on the trail.

    Black Eyed Peas frontman Will.i.am — who produced the celebrity-packed video — will perform Thursday evening, backed by singer John Legend and a full gospel choir.

    Singers Sheryl Crow and Stevie Wonder will also take the stage for the final night of the Democratic convention.

    UPDATE: Jennifer Hudson will perform the national anthem Thursday night at Obama’s acceptance speech.

  297. mollyjrichards Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    ******

    funny you should ask that about recreating the lincoln memorial…… as i stated as much up thread earlier today that i thought it looked like the lincoln memorial!!!

  298. Debbie, Molly, et al

    As you consider what to do next, may I, as a 45 year Democratic worker and official, suggest one way to look at the decision?

    The Democrat party that you fought so hard for has been hijacked. The principles that they and you stood for have been stood on their head. The racism you decried has now been promoted — just in reverse. The one man/one vote rule has been abrogated. Election, not selection, has been canceled. And sexism — and homophobia — is now OK.

    Shall we protest only when democracy is threatened in FL by the Republicans? Is racism wrong only when perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan? Do you believe that only ‘sulking Clinton supporters’ are protesting?

    I have to stand with voters in MI and FL. I have to vote for those denied their vote in caucus states. I agree with Hillary — we are in this together and we must keep going. If it means I will have to vote for McCain, I will.

    It’s been 28 years since a woman was on a ticket. I’m not waiting another 28 years. Not when she’s the best candidate. I cannot say, as abused women do: It wasn’t that bad — it won’t happen again — what about the children?.

    Perhaps you should decide based on your state. If it’s a landslide either way, do nothing. If you are in a swing state, work to defeat Obama. No candidate, politician or party will ever throw us under the bus again. And democracy will return to the Democrats.

    McCain is strong and independent and the congress will be very Democratic. It is the best we can do until 2012. Think of it as doing it FOR the real Dem party.

  299. Awwwwwww…..
    Thanks for the advice, rgb.
    Having a parrot sitting on my shoulder grooming
    my hair probably has a similar effect to breathing into a brown paper bag. 😳

    pm,
    Thanks for sharing. I agree. the objective now is to take Obama, Brazile, Dean, Pelosi
    and their conspirators down.

    filbert, no tv for me. all news is from the web.

  300. IDunn —

    That Sheinkopf quote is stunningly clever. How better to keep the Clinton vote from Obama than to suggest that an Obama win bars Hillary forever.

  301. I personally don’t think we need to stress about this roll call vote. Hillary gave a great speech last night but Obama dropped another point in the overnight tracking poll. Voters aren’t going to start flocking to him simply because of her speech. People know this is a show and know the real truth of what is going on. They want real answers for their real life problems and I think that will guide their decision for president.

    It will be the same with Bill Clinton tonight. He may have a “unity” speech but it cannot erase all that has been revealed about Obama and all that is about to be revealed by the GOP. There is too much, it’s too shocking, and all too real.

    The stadium show will just add to Obama’s celebrity image. It will make him look even less like presidential material. I’m betting there will be backlash from the spectacle of it all.

    I’m actually feeling fired up……

  302. Freckles: very interesting assessment. I don’t know how big a landslide it will be here in my shameless state. I will have to reach out to my Republican friends to learn whether or not they think IL will be competitive. Our Dem state government is in a shambles; the latest is that another Daley (Bill) may run for governor. So, Daleys could control the city, Cook county and the State. May be ripe for a backlash.

    In any case, I’m hopping on Hillary’s underground railroad and will keep going.

  303. Then there are the bots. Punky little 2 bit brats that should have been slapped silly for being so rude.
    Ageism, racism, sexism, misogyny, irrational internalized Clinton hatred, income and means disparity all exploited and heightened as a tool by fraudbama and axelrod.
    Now we have the suppression of information by the media and
    bambi & co. Threats of intimidation and violence if he doesn’t get the nomination.
    All of this cannot be tolerated, or it can be expected to be the new norm. Not if I can help it.

    NObama in NOvember I OWN MY VOTE

  304. No. confloyd. It is kabuki theater, not democracy in action, so I am not watching. I’ll watch Big Dawg later, but that’s all.

  305. There is no question but that O group took their guns and knives to Denver. They feel no guilt at this, and don’t respect anyone. The goal his is to win, if they have to eliminate everyone.

    Just heard that AZ gave the majority of their votes to HRC something like 43 to 23 (don’t think I remembered those number exactly right).

    THANK YOU ARIZONA. IN FACT I AM THINKING ABOUT MOVING TO YOUR STATE.

  306. California just passed on its votes – WHAT THE HELL? what the hell is a state completely passes on its delegate vote?

  307. confloyd,

    i know about hrc clinching the popular vote months ago but it wasn’t “official”
    (barf) until DNC reinstated fl and mi the other day.

    that’s what i meant.

  308. Lizzen vary carfully I shall sey zis only wonce.

    Ve must do everyzing ve kan to tek down ze 4th reich.

    Ve r ze reziztance.

    (do your best french accent)

    Tonight we become soldiers my friends, we share a common bond, a goal and we will fight

  309. I am donating to McCain tonight, and I am adding .44 to the amount, so that he knows it came from a PUMA.

  310. A pass is often used in a roll call strategically. It just means that they want to put Obama over or help Hillary get more votes. They are waiting to see what others do.

  311. Perhaps you should decide based on your state. If it’s a landslide either way, do nothing. If you are in a swing state, work to defeat Obama. No candidate, politician or party will ever throw us under the bus again. And democracy will return to the Democrats.

    ——————————–
    Speaking only for myself (and my husband who shares my view) only because I know this is very personal — we live in MD and it is not a swing state and we could perhaps feel better by staying home and not voting McCain but we won’t. This is our protest vote regardless of what others do and I also feel that I can’t hope for a swing stater to vote for McCain unless I can do that myself.

  312. confloyd,

    not watching or listening. this is beyond obscene. i’ve been worried for weeks about’
    a roll call embarrassing Hrc coz it was inevitable that BO would send out his hit squad.

    personally, the worse thing for me is knowing my state, senator clinton’s state, nyc, is now
    supporting bo.

  313. This roll call vote is important because it firmly establishes Hillary as the official runner up such that if he is declared ineligible for any reason between now and the election then her claim to the nomination takes precedence over anyone elses because she got delegate votes. Keep that in mind before you get too depressed. The fact that this vote will be lopsided is of no consequence because she can point to the fact that she endorsed him and this was simply a cathartic execise. Note: this is not inside information it is merely my assessment.

  314. I live in a Red State, but I will vote McCain. I want Bambi to be defeated in a LANDSLIDE, not just lose. I want it worse than McGovern. I want him, the DNC and all of his little tin soldiers HUMILIATED so badly that they come crawling to Hillary in 2012 to save the party.

  315. Absolutely, WB. Everybody read what wbboei read….twice. It’s very important. Don’t worry about the lopsiddedness. Hillary allowed this, indeed, promoted it. We have to do this as a matter of record.

  316. I AM NOT THE MOST INFORMED PERSON, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION IF I MAY…

    alot of people are not sure what to do with themselves, because they love the democratic party,
    and democratic ideals…
    i myself was one of those people once,

    but i think we have been clueless, and blind by our
    own zeal for the party…
    sh*t doesnt just start going wrong overnight,
    if we stop to think about it, and i have many times
    pryer to this election. alot of our own party elders,
    and activists, are just a bunch of ‘old fat cats’…

    now i’ve known thats the price of doing business,
    or should i say politics…
    but this is a wake up call. who out there thinks
    that pelosi and friends have done anything remotely
    useful in congress?

    let me tell you something, i find it a little annoying, that my life is so filled with financial worry, and that
    broad is wearing my house payments everytime she
    walks out the door. oh wait! i cant afford a house…

    these people are no better than republicans.
    hillary and bill were the real deal…
    but now we know who is in it for us and our children, and whose in it for their own dynasty…

    I HAVE NO DOUBTS AND REGRETS ABOUT WALKING AWAY.
    I DO HAVE REGRETS, I DIDNT SEE THRU THEM SOONER.

    who the hell are they?
    THEY WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
    i now have my head out of my a**, and i’m firing
    all those blood sucking politicians…

    THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE
    A LONG TIME AGO, ABOSOLUTE POWER, CORRUPTS…

  317. # mollyjrichards Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I am watching the roll call. Arkansas just cast all votes for BO after “honoring” HRC
    ————————

    Well, after Bill Gwatney’s murder, I don’t blame them.

  318. I just read over at Riverdaughter that the PUMAs were all wearing orange yesterday — it was their color! And then of course last night, Hillary showed up wearing that tangerine pantsuit… 🙂

    …it’s pretty incredible if you consider the political tightrope she’s had to walk this week. And she looks a hundred times more poised, passionate, and persuasive than anyone else in Denver.

  319. Agree wbboei, the news pundits aren’t going to make much of this vote as it’s just for show. Hillary released her delegates earlier and this was expected.

  320. They are passing, because they don’t Hillary to be ahead at any point in time. Plus, 13 states have laws, that pledged delegates have to vote for the candidate that won their district or state (I don’t remember). CA and Illinois are two of the states.

  321. Berkeley, the polls are more determinative this coming Monday – after the Convention, after BO’s speech — where people have had the opportunity to think things through during the weekends.

    Polls now are not reliable.

  322. RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED!!!!

    CLINTON WON ARKANSAS BY 38% and THEY GAVE ALL DELEGATE VOTES TO OBAMA!!!

    HRC won CA and it passes with 441 delegates.

    FRAUD!!!!!

  323. skmf12 Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    RIght on! That is why we must become more vigilant than we have ever been — what we are seeing is that whenever we do not strive to be informed and to fight for our democratic principles, we can lose our voice.

  324. You know what, the people that voted for Hillary in those states are probably going WTF right now, their vote was not counted at all. They threw it away.

  325. wbboei,

    ‘This roll call vote is important because it firmly establishes Hillary as the official runner up such that if he is declared ineligible for any reason between now and the election then her claim to the nomination takes precedence over anyone elses because she got delegate votes.’

    I’m praying Berg has managed to expedite his mission.

  326. Illinois —

    Are you near a neighbouring state? Illinois may be beyod help but as you say, you never know.

  327. So CA and AR just gave the birdie to the thousands of people who voted for HRC?

    My vote didn’t matter?

  328. Binding states: Arizona, California, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia.

    AZ, GA, and IN have already broken their own state election law by not voting as their constituents sent them to do.

  329. Fraud. Rigged election. Why are they doing this? The DNC are complete sell-outs.

    No representation of the people’s votes.

  330. Hi all…Norma here…sitting in the beautiful Broker Restaurant in Denver Colorado, watching and listenin to the Faux Call streaming on CNN….the first time I have had reliable internet access since I arrived.

    After watching the threatened widow of the murdered Arkansas Chair and listening to the florida Delegation dismiss it’s citizens once again, I am heartsick at the results of the rape of our democracy.

    Denver has a feel of the Communist Bloc…giant Obama posters in the style of Hope and Change art all over – this time with a denver skyline in the bcakground – overseeing the populace in that threatening grimace or fake gravitas – warning if we do not “fall in line” we will pay

    and paying we are.

    No longer does “One man, one vote” stand for anything….

  331. To state the obvioius, there is no way Arkansas would go 100% for the barackamericanasshole if she did not want it that way. When you are in a poker game you cant win because you are being cheated you have got to leave the table. Big Media is the dealer, they are dealing you deuces and your opponent aces and accusing you of cheating when they are the ones doing it, and big business is bankrolling your opponent . . . The only remedy is to desert the party. The truth about the Obama people is they are chicago based thugs, and once you understand that you realize they will commit any crime up to and including murder so you do have to be careful. But the short term answer is to move to McCain and I am doing so as of today. I will be turning my records of this election over to the repulbican national committee. The other thing is the voting machines. This is a very serious assault on democracy at a critical moment in our history.

  332. I think that is a good idea, to donate to McCain using .44 to the amount. Someone should tell McCain to keep a tally of it, so he will know that it came from Hillary’s supporters.

  333. Is it true BO’s nominating speech was given by a republican??????????

    “……a punk kid who claimed to be from Tennessee gave the nominating speech and started with “as a registered republican”

    “…….

  334. Norma: Thank you for being there for us and for your report. Anything else you can pass along from a eye-witness to this?

  335. admin, I believe you got this one right

    the “SUICIDE WATCH”

    this was clearly the year of the democrats, but I guess they didn’t all get the message.

    This is truly the first suicide I’ve ever seen…. damn its ugly

  336. HillaryforTexas Says: 6:05 pm
    I live in a Red State, but I will vote McCain. I want Bambi to be defeated in a LANDSLIDE, not just lose. I want it worse than McGovern. I want him, the DNC and all of his little tin soldiers HUMILIATED so badly that they come crawling to Hillary in 2012 to save the party.
    ======================

    Right. Very few of us will be in a sitaution in NOvember where our vote might really decide the GE. What we can do is make Obama’s defeat larger.

    And in the meantime we can shout “Resign, Obama!” and broadcast the polls against him and the reasons he’s unqualified. ANd this might just get him replaced by some qualififed Dem.

  337. We need to remember that this isn’t a “real” roll call vote. Hillary released her delegates earlier so many are free to vote for whomever. The Obama camp has been heavily pressuring delegates to vote Obama for “unity”. Also, the low poll numbers might be spooking some delegates so they vote for “unity” with Obama in the mistaken belief it will help.

    The question I have is : will the secret roll call vote held this morning, before Hillary released her delegates, be released to the public??

  338. wbboei,

    I’m pretty dense.
    Do you mean that HRC wanted Ark to vote unanimously for BO?

    ‘To state the obvioius, there is no way Arkansas would go 100% for the barackamericanasshole if she did not want it that way. ‘

  339. confloyd: states often pass in a roll call…that just means that they delay announcing their vote. They will record their vote (at least normally)

  340. I will be glad to see this thing finished. I am just sorry I chose this election to get involved! Its disgusting!!

  341. Wbboei, the state of Arkansas lost their state chair, they know full well what can happen if this thug doesn’t get the nomination!!

  342. confloyd,

    sorry. meant that ca has 441 votes, hrc won the state but ca hasn’t yet declared e havtheir delegate
    breakdown.

    i think they are required to declare on the 2nd roll call, if there is one, which we all know won’t
    happen.

  343. Sometimes states use a “pass” to be able to put a candidate over the threshold of the number of delegates. In this instance, I think the passes are being used because the numbers are cooked.

  344. kostner and others re ‘dinosaur media’,

    The GOP has Fox and a lot of blogs … the left has Kos, HufPo, etc … why no big centrist media? When RFK Jr defended HIllary, why did he have to use HufPo? I think even HIllary had to use HufPo for some important announcement.

    The Clntons have some money, so do their backers — why haven’t they funded something to fill this gap?

  345. Cindy, on August 27th, 2008 at 6:28 pm Said:

    You know, maybe this is why Hillary fought to have a roll call. She knew the fix was in and that it couldn’t be corrected, so at least they have to stand up in front of people and announce the fraud. I see that percentage of Hillary supporters who won’t vote for Obama rising in the next round of polls.
    These chickens will come home to roost.

    Thank you for explaining that.
    OK – so she went through this for TV to see the biggest defecation on Democracy since Fidel Castro.

  346. Honestly, Obama will win by a landslide thanks mostly to Hillary’s assistance. Then he will tank big time and go home with his tail between his…er…

  347. Is it possible that maybe the head of the DNC in that state made the decisions to the delegates? Let’s say the head of the DNC in CA does not want to be embarassed by rogue delegates so he makes the decision to just give BO the delegates despite their wishes.

    Is that how it works?

  348. hey don’t feel too bad, so far 25% of the delegates are still going for Hillary…if this holds up in November, BHO will lose.

  349. Yeah, the numbers, votes, the caucas’s are all cooked up, I hope they realize they are going to lose in November big, and that is the night I want to see the look on that smart ass MO’s face!

  350. Molly – I did not make it to the floor, but the founder of 18 Millin Voices did beforfe I arrived on Sunday. The Press has been GREAT to US as we have kept our message about women’s issues and positive. Sadly many self-identified PUMA’s have mad COMPLETE ASSES OF THEMSELVES as has rfepresentatives although indies, from McCains camp. Our celebration parade was a HUGE success with Gloria Alread vaporizing into the mix right before the step off about 11:30 yesterday and walking arm-in-arm with us on the front row to the pepsi center. I have NEVER EVEr SEEN A WALL OF world wide press LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE. wE WERE 3 FEET AWAY – I GAVE ABOUT 35-45 INTERVIEWS since Monday…;it has been a whirlwind

  351. We have a lot of work to do cleaning up our political scene… keep a list of those who must be voted out of office in your states… start thinking about the destruction of the old parties and the structuring of a new party… PUMA party? We have been lazy for too long, taking too much for granted.

  352. pardon the typos….the Broker is quite dark, and I am about to be on my 4th Bloody Mary while watching the rape of One Man one vote

  353. We, the people is the way the bill of rights or constitution starts I KNOW SOMEONE ON THE BLOG KNOWS TO TELL ME).

    The DNC abviously think it starts WE THE DELEGATES WHO HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY THE DNC

  354. wbboei Says:
    This roll call vote is important because it firmly establishes Hillary as the official runner up such that if he is declared ineligible for any reason between now and the election then her claim to the nomination takes precedence over anyone elses because she got delegate votes.

    ==================

    Great point but does that take precedence over Biden? He will get delegate votes for VP. Heidi had something up several days ago about “if the nominee becomes unavailable” but i don’t want to try to relay it. See heidilipotpourri at blogspot iirc.

  355. Illinois will be the state that puts BHO over the top, the largest states have to pass so that most of the others have a chance to cast their votes. The state nearest the total needed of 2210 will pass to Illinois so theat they can have the honor.

  356. Lil Ole Grape

    I no longer want to be ANYWHERE associated with the PUMA PAC leadership….

    they haev only harmed Senator Clinton here in Denver IMHO

  357. I HAVE A QUESTION,
    CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS EXTRAVAGANZA IS COSTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

    i can not even pay my bills, put gas in my car, put food on the table, or pay my dentist, and they are
    wasting how much american dollars to cannonize
    st. nobama?

    PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW…
    WE SHOULD HAVE AN AD, THAT LISTS EVERY USD $$$, RIGHT DOWN TO THE BELUGA CAVIAR, THAT WAS
    SPENT ON BOY WONDER…

  358. from pumapac

    “Cal passed so at NO time will Hillary surpass Obama”

    bush did the same thing in 2004 with nh to keep kerry from being ahead.

  359. I’m praying Berg has managed to expedite his mission.
    ——————————————-
    Me too Basil, me too. Or something could still materialize on thre Rezko front. He knows Obama will pardon him if he becomes Presidnet to protect not only Obama himself and the Chicago machine. Prosecutors always look to trade up.

    If I were Berg, I would be talking to the press as well as filing the lawsuit. I have a contact there who we have been talking to and is anyone knows Berg and can advance a call I can give them that information..

  360. Norma, it is difficult for most people who care desperately about their cause to be frustrated in a crowd and not be able to behave thoughtfully…I think we can forgive them?

  361. The “PUMA” reps, the rank and file, sounded EXACTLY like the McCain people who showed up and tried to woo Hillary’s voters at our events. Yesterday, BOTH McCains folks and PUMAS called us “C****” because we were having a PARTY FOR and a CALEBRATION OF HRC…and had NOTHING to say about Obama

  362. Yep. A woman MADE HISTORY, and not only did they shove her out, they had to game it so that it did not even look like she did as well as she did, SO AS NOT TO EMBARRASS THE MAN.

    Be clear about this. Denying Hillary her accurate delegate vote had nothing to do with “unity”, and everything to do with throwing the achievement of the woman under the bus to salve the man’s ego.

  363. wbboei Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    To state the obvioius, there is no way Arkansas would go 100% for the barackamericanasshole if she did not want it that way. When you are in a poker game you cant win because you are being cheated you have got to leave the table. Big Media is the dealer, they are dealing you deuces and your opponent aces and accusing you of cheating when they are the ones doing it, and big business is bankrolling your opponent . . . The only remedy is to desert the party. The truth about the Obama people is they are chicago based thugs, and once you understand that you realize they will commit any crime up to and including murder so you do have to be careful. But the short term answer is to move to McCain and I am doing so as of today. ——————————–
    This is not a normal election. The folly if that of the Clinton campaign and us, her supporters was in thinking that this will be a normal election and that people would see the light and do the right thing at every turn and they didn’t (Even as late as this morning, we thought maybe the roll call will work and the SDs will do the right thing.) I hope the Republicans understand the seriousness of the situation we are in and not sit on their hands for too long. But the thuggery and intimidation will probably not work with them as it did with the Dems.

  364. Everyone, from Big Pink, to Puma’s, to Clintons4McCain, to nOBAMA, fought their asses off! Regardless of what they believe, regardless of how well they stated their cases…they fought their asses off!

    There’s NO SHAME in that!

  365. Norma, most of the PUMA people I’ve met or talked to are great. I’m sorry you had a bad experience, but please let’s not get into trashing the whole movement – it is not centralized, there is no “head”, only individuals.

  366. wwobei et al,

    Here’ the link to Heidi’s post about if Obama becomes ‘unavailable’ after the nomination.

    h t t p : / / heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/one-kind-of-limbo-partys-nominee.html

    Saturday, August 23, 2008
    One kind of limbo: a party’s nominee becomes unavailable after the party’s convention but before the Electoral College meets

  367. ROLL CALL VOTES:

    AL: 48 O 5 H
    AK: 15 O 3H
    AM. SAMOA: 9 O 0H
    AZ: 40 O 27 H
    AK: 47 O 0 H
    CA: PASSES
    CO: 55 O 15 H
    CT: 38 O 21 H
    DEL: 23 O 0 H
    DEMS ABROAD: 8.5 O 2.5 H
    DC: 33 O 7 H
    FL: 166 O 51 H 1 UC
    GA: 82 O 18 H
    GUAM: 4 O 3 H
    HI: 26 O 1 H
    ID: 20 O 3 H
    IL: PASSES
    INDY: 75 O 6H
    IA: 48 O 9 H
    KS: 34O 6H
    KY: 36 O 24 H
    LA: 43 O 7 H
    MAINE: 24 O 8 H
    MRYLND: 94 O 6 H
    MA: 65 O 52 H
    MI: 125 O 27 H
    MN: 78 O 8 H
    MS: 33 O 8 H
    MO: 82 O 6 H
    MT: 18 O 7 H
    NE: 28 O 3 H
    NV: 25 O 8 H
    NH: 30 0 0 H
    NJ: 127 O 0 H
    NM: YIELDED TO IL
    IL: 185 VOTES YIELDS TO NY
    HILLARY JUST WALKED ONTO THE FLOOR!!!
    SHE’S GOING TO SPEAK! SHE JUST NOMINATED OBAMA TO END THE ROLL CALL WITH A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES TO SELECT OBAMA VIA ACCLIMATION TO NOMINATE BHO AS THE NOMINEE OF THE PARTY….PEOPLE CHANTING HILLARY HILLARY…..

    SECONDS?….. MOTION GRANTED

    WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS…… A SELECTED NOMINEE AND A STOLEN ELECTION

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA DEMOCAT NOMINEE BY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!!

  368. H4T

    We did NOT trash them.,,,, they trashed 18 Million they called the press or someone did and told them our events were cancelled – they screamed at US because we took a Hillry Celebration positon and women’s right position ONLY

    I KNOW the VAST majority of those whi I dentify with PUMA as I have are Wonderful and concerned at alarmed at the system corruption. But those who were angry and vocal and NASTY to US were few, and sounded EXACTLY like the wacked out republicans

    I did not understand why the need to (for WEEKS now) trying to tear US down and creates strife when we are supposedly ALL FOR HRC. It was at cross purposes and made uis highly suspect

  369. At this moment I do not know which emotion is stronger rage or sorrow. But I know both have galvanized me and this time tomorrow I will be working for President McCain. Can anyone tell me what is democratic about the democratic party? Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Brazille I and no one I know voted for them and yet they get to choose my nominee. Fuck them.

    MCCAIN 08
    MCCAIN 08

  370. Norma, I don’t understand what you are getting at. Are you saying the republicans infiltrated the PUMAS and tried to keep the party from uniting or are you saying that BO organization came out and told the PUMA’s to shup up and leave!

  371. What is everybody saying he won, he did not win, she stepped aside for the african american to win. That is what has happened, they need to give her the credit for that!

  372. h4t

    That’s why i’m so depressed. the dismissal of women has been performed on a national stage.
    no one can pretend to believe anymore in the fairytale of women’s equality.

    ‘Denying Hillary her accurate delegate vote had nothing to do with “unity”, and everything to do with throwing the achievement of the woman under the bus to salve the man’s ego.’

    wbboei,
    berg was on ed’s again last night. ed is in touch with him. why don’t you fastblast him?

  373. anybody know of a no holds bar sight were people let it all rip? I want to hear fury right now and not be placated.

  374. I do not think anyone from PUMA would be disrespectful to Hillary supporters. I suspect they are bots. I am quite sure with all their other tricks they they would inflitrate the PUMA oraganizations. I know when I was working with 18 million voices there was hard evidence of this. Bots are no more the voice of democacy than the Red Guard were in China.

  375. Here is a fact and an example” The event “The Rise: in Cheeseman Park on Monday night was so resoundly rejected by the community it almost lost OUR permis the following evening.

    We were wrapping up at Confluence Park at about 9 pm and decided ride by “the Rise” event after as we had heard there were “about 700 ” people there. We arrived at 9:40 PM and watched about 40-50 people milling around. We lest at 9:42 PM

    Last night, we were in a different place in the same park, but VERY near where the PUMA Rise Event had occured. We were set up, we had great auoustic musicians, and we were being harassed by a BIG PUMA RV as well as PUMA members, including the “founder” of “The Rise” Event the night before, as well as the McCains folks.

    We called the Parks Rangers, and we were told by the Parks office that our permit was being revoked by the City Council because the event the evening before was SO OFFENSIVE to neighbors and the FIVE city council members who lived near by. We worked had to PROVE “we are not them” which was their concern (Luckily, Gloria Alread’s association with us earlier and out GREAT relationship with the Denver Police vouched for us) and we were not only alowd to stay but the protected by Park Police.

    The Parks Dept told us that the Rise Event had gotten in the mud and verry LOUCD later in the evening and were shouting NO BAMA, FUCK BARACK OBAMA through a PA system late into the evening.

    I also had a VERY personal encounter with a PUMA named “Andy” from Boulder who was sticking his finger in my face yelling telling me I was a republican and I was the reason Hillay lost. He was VIOLENTLY ANGRY and was one of the folks the following day in the PUMA RV

  376. Norma, thank you for all your work. I appreciate it and I know many here do. I agree with you about PUMA’s…they were way to unorganized and had mixed messages. Some great ideas but I was often embarassed by their own messages.

    I am a Democrat, not planning on leaving my party. I will fight within to change what I just witnessed. Who will I vote for in November? It really doesn’t matter at this point. I will vote for who I think can run this country the way it needs to be run.

    Hillary 2012.

  377. Norma, perhaps Obama people infiltrated PUMAs (and may be pretended they were Repubs) to give it a bad name?

  378. Someone from the riverdaughter’s blog said Hillary looked as if she walking the green mile. I myself thought she did not look happy, she looked forced and Shumer was trying to help her get through it. It was so disgusting and I am crying again!

  379. Henry,

    I’m wearing two faces at the moment. One is ecstatic that Hillary accomplished all that she did in spite of the garbage and hate that went on. The other, the one I am really struggling to contain, is one of huge anger where I just want to rip the guy’s face of, throw him in prison and lock away the key, dethrone the idiot, and above all humiliate him will all of his crimes front and center.

    For health reasons, I am trying to concentrate on the Hillary part, but I do understand and sympathize with you.

  380. They se right to vote.

    It’s as if women never had the right to vote.

    Hillary had close to half of the delegates and only got 300+ in the roll call vote.

  381. Jan, I understand your mixed emotions. I feel the same way. There is a song that I keep singing in my head, Ride On by Christy Moore. One line says, “I could never go with you no matter how I wanted to.”

    Hillary did us proud. None of us should hang our heads in shame.

  382. Idunn Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    I think we need to rename Big Pink “Give ‘em Hell 2012″.

    ===============

    YEAHHH!!!

  383. “Hillary did us proud. None of us should hang our heads in shame.”

    shenanigans,

    You said a mouthful! 🙂

  384. Hey all, I’m saddened by this sham of a party, yet we have the upperhand. We have from now until Nov. 5th to clean up the congress and/or senate of those who attacked Hillary or discredited her. We have the upperhand with the media to put them to shame for their sexism comments and biased media with favorism with Obama. We have the upperhand with the DNC ‘higher-up’ people by getting rid of such people such as Howard Dean and the rest. Admin, maybe it will help to have a list of what we should do.

  385. pm317, I believe you are right. I ALSO believe that a SMALL group of PUMAS are ridiculously whacked out anyway and glomed on to this a a cause because it gave them power. Although at dinner with severl on Monday night I nearly fell out of my chair when one siad Darrah Murphy tells us what to think and what to believe and deletes comments from the blog at PUMA PAC that she sees as wrong. We love Darrah,she protects us from people who don’t think like us”

    THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTE

  386. shenanigans
    I disagree. I logged in countless hours on the phone, stood on streets holding signs, emailed and blogged. It started out being about Senator Clinton but became more. It was the democratic process that was at stake. Her speech last night was eloquent. However today’s action I cannot accept. I believed tremendously in her and mistakenly I thought the principles for which she fought transcended her ambition. I was wrong and in stating my feelings I realize I will no longer be welcomed on this site. I respect that and as she threw it in there isn’t much of a point anyhow.

  387. And Admin…last night we had a park full of folks who listened to the best speech ever – and was a rocket ship to 2012.

    Also OUR new mantra is it is NOT HRC’s JOB to bring the party together, it is the Presumptuous leaders. After all, you dont expect the secong place runner to push the leader over the finish line”

  388. confloyd, that is NOT it. Are you going to believe Schumer? Puhleeeze.

    Norma, please lay off the PUMAs. They are not all affiliated with Murphy, and this is a really poor time to start in trashing former Hillary supporters who are angry, whether you approved of their methods or not.

  389. no disrespect norma,

    but i’ve heard you talk about the puma park thing
    before, and to be perfectly honest, that has absolutely nothing to do with how much work they have done for hillary or the movement…

    it sounds like ‘its my party and i’ll cry if i want to’.
    i always respect your work, but in the grand scheme of things, how does your park deal, make them bad?

    hillary wore orange, which was what pumas wore last night.
    hillary gave a shout out to the ‘sisterhood of the traveling pants’, which was about pumas…
    even james carville, wore his pumas…

    i doubt the pumas would be talking about any skirmishes with you outside their own group,
    anytime i go to their website, they are all about
    business…

    as for those who say they are all dedicated to the
    democratic party, well good for you, hope that works out for you….

  390. dark thoughts . . .

    A couple of the ulta-conservative ultra-traditional locals where i now live told me several times that “THEY” would never let a woman in the WH anymore than “THEY” would ever let a black man in.

    I believe they are right.

  391. Henry, I campaigned for her, too. Travelled, emailed, canvassed, phone calls…countless hours and emotion and passion. I’m with you.

    Sometimes, no matter the reason, you lose. She lost. She did it with dignity and grace. NO ONE else has matched the efforts of her in their own political ambition. She gave her party everything, even after what they gave her. That is noble. She will change things, she will continue to fight and she will still represent what we believed in and carry us through all of her actions in the future.

  392. skmf, I respect your opinion but I highly doubt that Hillary wore orange because it was for PUMAS

    you KNow my work with FDR and OUR work together
    and I am sorry if my reoport of fact is offensive to you

    I have not blogged under PUMA but I have dome JSND stuff and have found ALL I deal with to be smart respectful and well intentioned.

    All I was relating was MY and OUR experience here with a FACTION of PUMAS.

    As for the Democratic Party I am NOT a republican, I find the disgusting and offensive and against my interest on SO many levels, and I willnot become one. I also cannot stand the Dems the way they are now. But I will not let MY party become a leftist and anarchist party without a fight and fight I will. I will NEVER vote for Obama and I had NO PROBLEM with that as a statement to the press, but at almost 52, I have learned I personally can accomplish more by smart planning than by loud screaming.

    As far as reporting about PUMA actions here, as I saidd, the vollies were launched by self-identified PUMAS, and tr report that to folks I care for is only right. Stick with whom you want to, I have proven MY loyalty

  393. H4T, I hope she did not accept a nomination to the supreme court as a buyout. We need Hillary to run the country, I would hate to see her tucked away defending Roe vs. Wade the rest of her life. In other words, they essentially would be putting her out to pasture.
    I only caught the end of the conversation on FOx, but there has t o be some reason why she would give all this up without a fight as she was sooo close.

  394. Got my third call today from the Dems. I wonder why they don’t strick me off their list. At least I did not have three arguments today. They just shut up when I said that I worked for Hillary, and I was a registered Dem voting for McCain.

  395. I don’t mind the first hand accounts of Norma’s experiences in Denver with PUMA’s. Why would I silence her and let us all pretend that as Hillary supporters, we are all unified?? Sounds exactly like what we are all pissed about.

    In ever group there are whackos. I like hearing about whackos. 😉

  396. She wore orange, because the color went well with the background for television.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/page/2/

    scroll down the page, and you will see the camera people holding up different colored pantsuits, to see which ones looked the best.

  397. I have tried to be a good little activist and follow this convention as best I can but I will tell you this…. never, never!! in all the times I’ve participated in events like this have I been this bored!!
    these speeches are written pretty much by the same set of speech writers . they all sound exactly the same with the exception of a tidbit about each speaker. there is nothing in any of them that excites me. as an activist, thats what those speeches are supposed to do. aggitate, excite, mobilize…it’s supposed to be about energizing the troops. They make me want to take a nap.

  398. Well, given that he isn’t the president yet, and hopefully never will be, it’s not a done deal that she would get a supreme court seat.

  399. Hillary has caved so much its so hard to see her getting up from this to fight again for anything
    What a shame
    I am so disappointed in Hillary selling her soul to eat with the devil.
    She is one of them now in my books

  400. again norma,

    NO ONE CAN QUESTION YOUR DEDICATION,
    but you know as well as we do, that this site is
    going to be watched and gloated over by the obama disciples, they will be doing what we do…

    oh look! they are fighting and chewing their nails over there, cool lets all go over there and see…

    we dont need discord…
    we need to try and figure out how to help each
    other succeed…
    if you succeed, i benefit, if i succeed, i will turn around and help you up…

    lets not start any in fighting…

    you have worked hard, we all know that here, your work is monumental. so is theirs…

    there is enough praise to go around.

  401. Norma Desmond Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    ——————-

    I am sorry to hear this, no doubt it hurt.
    Just remember that it was done to dispirit you.
    They were neither democrats or republicans, just anti-American thugs,
    a mob mentality.
    They will have to live with their crimes, and they will die by them as well.

  402. thanks shenanigans. And I was disappointed that any of it happened. We had OUR events and they had theirs. HAD I HAD TIME, I would have attended some, but I did not. I am also limited in that I am staying a ways out of town and was reliant on others for transportation. We ASKED that when they attended 18 Mil sponsored events they check their PUMA gear and voice at the door and celebrate and advocate for women’s rights and party for Hil.

    Sadly thwy were not able to respect that SIMPLE REQUEST and chose to fight and name call istaead,

  403. turndownobama: I am posting what heidi said on the issue from her blog:The Constitution does not address this issue directly nor does any federal law of which I am aware. Presumably then, the DNC or RNC would have to select an alternative candidate. Again as far as I know, neither DNC nor RNC rules provide for this situation, so the matter would become one of the leaders of each to decide how to proceed to name a new nominee.
    ———————————————
    A friend of mine has spoken to some constitutional lawyers who agree that the issue is not clearly spelled out in the rules, but have gone on to state that the fact that she has gotten the second most delegates at the convention would in fact give her percedence over the competing claim of Biden who got no delegates at the convention and will have no claim until the election and the electoral college delegates accorded to him at that time would establish the line of succession-provided the ticket wins. Therefore, Hillary would have the superior claim. In that circumstance I think the power of the radical left that put Obama in over the wishes of voters would be diminished to the point that they would yield to her nomination. Whether she would want it at that point is not known. Friends have already anticipated that contingency and have produced a 527 for that. These are not, repeat not repubilicans.

  404. off for a while gang

    Creme Brulle finished and chack paid and drinks kicking in

    going to go wander Denver and back to the marvelous hotel with barely intnet in the parking lot (hak)

    see you all later

    I’m Norma Desmond, reporting from Denver

  405. Hillary is still my hero. The steps she has taken at this fairy tale convention must have been the hardest she has ever had to do.

    My thoughts and prayers are with her.

  406. Okay, have fun eating your own among former Hill supporters. I’m off to find a place where they are talking about how to BRING THIS BASTARD OBAMA DOWN, instead of sniping at other groups.

    Night.

  407. What is funny is I’m watching the dems convention and the energy is gone.

    Now, if anyone else is watching please give me your objective opinion.

    btw, since the Dems have decided to elevate the Corrupt Chicago Political Machine and validated it with that lousy roll call….on states Hillary had won will leave a bad taste in their mouth.

    More people are independent then Republican or Democrat and those people are look at actions more then words.

    Chuck Schumer should never had said anything about Supreme Court Judgeship that’s a bone.

    As a life long Democrat who has watched many conventions this was a travesty in showing democratic principles at work. It makes my decision come November easier to make.

    I can no longer trust the information coming from my own party because how you treat the least of us, you will treat the many.

  408. sorry, the last sentence should read gore as the contingency candidate. They believe he is controlled by the same globalist interests. I take no position on that issue.

  409. I think we should all take a cue from Hillary herself. In the face of adversity, you smile. When there’s something you don’t like, hunker down, work and change it.

    Norma– if we all held up our dignity, we would all realize you get more of what you want without name calling and screaming as some did.

    And Henry, everyone, if we work hard– we will all get to say Madame President to Hillary soon.

  410. Chuck Schumer should never had said anything about Supreme Court Judgeship that’s a bone.
    ——————————————
    no. he didn t say that did he. when,

  411. Well we knew this horrible day would come, that the false messiah would be ordained.

    LOL…who the heck cares??? It’s done. I don’t regret a moment of my support for Hillary. I haven’t lost any respect for her. I’m going to take a deep breath and continue working towards Obama’s defeat.

    I eagerly await what the Republicans have in store for this clown.

  412. interesting article…way to go Tennessee

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/dnc/1130925,tenn082708.article

    Tennessee Clinton backers rebel over Obama

    August 27, 2008

    By BARTHOLOMEW SULLIVAN AND MICHAEL COLLINS | SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE
    DENVER — Hillary Clinton delegates from Tennessee broke into open rebellion Wednesday in one of the only bursts of public anger to surface in a convention devoted to embracing Democratic Party unity after a contentious primary campaign.

  413. See? This is the problem. “Former Hillary supporters”….and “eating your own” are bullshit comments. So is making a broad statement about “shenanigans”. This is why the likes of the two of you aren’t taken seriously.

    I am NOT a former Hillary supporter and yes, there are those that I’ve seen in this campaign that the only thing we have in common is our support of Hillary. Just because I choose not be be someone that you want me to be, or act like you want me to react– doesn’t make me the bad guy.

    You are your own worst enemy, because I suspect that’s exactly what you wanted from Hillary. To walk off that convention floor and give everyone the finger. Get real.

    She did. There are so many different ways to get your point across.

  414. I’m looking forward to Bill’s speech. He’s in a unique position being a former President but his wife is still in politics. Still, you never know when he’ll bring out his algebra and compare X to Y! 🙂

  415. It’s a day that is both heartbreaking and enraging. People’s emotions are running high right now.

    I’m not taking anything anyone says to heart today.

  416. Betsy Reid, acting as the official Clinton whip for the Tennessee Democratic Party, outraged fellow Clinton-pledged delegates when she said she intended to vote for Obama in Wednesday night’s largely symbolic roll-call vote of the full convention.

    Ann Strong of Alamo, Tenn., demanded that Reid step down as the Clinton whip if she will not stand for Clinton, and accused Reid of unethical behavior.

    “I’ll be a Democrat at the end of the day but, if you were sent here by your constituents and you are a person with integrity, you stick with how you were sent,” Strong said.
    ******************************************************
    Debbie,
    Thanks for that article and it express my feeling to a tee…this lack of honoring the voters wishes or upholding their vote.

    It was so disrespectful and it will be viewed as such-arrogance will sink the Democrats this November.

    I have MUCH respect for Sen. Hillary Clinton what honor and courage she has…..much love and admiration.

    I can’t say the same for the Democratic Party…it’s rotten to it core.

  417. Shenanigans,

    You are right. There are indeed many different ways to get a point across. I personally believe that Hillary’s actions, each and every one of them from the suspension of her campaign to now, have been calculated very carefully and have delivered hugely in showing how shallow M.O. is and how unbelievably unready Obama continues to be.

  418. shenanigans,

    hurt much?
    chill… what broad statement?

    the likes of me doesnt have to be taken seriously, i’m
    nobody…

    i am my own worst enemy?
    wow sounds like you are.
    but hey, the minute i walk away, i will not remember
    your name, dont lose any sleep over me, cause i
    wont over you… LOL

  419. NO WE WON’T: Don’t hold back
    Posted on August 27, 2008 by riverdaughter
    Sheri left Denver this morning and can’t host NO WE WON’T tonight so I’m subbing for her. We will be talking to Brad Mays and what he’s caught on video and we’ll try to touch base with John West and Michelle Thomas about what went on behind the scenes with the delegates. Call in and tell us what you’re thinking about Nancy Pelosi, faithless delegates, Superdelegates who were derelict in their duty and whether you intend to jump on the Obama Love Train. That’s NO WE WON’T at 9:00PM EST, 7:00PM MT.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/no-we-wont-dont-hold-back/

  420. Hillary Clinton is under intense pressure but all through this travesty she has shown Strength and Courage. It has been an honor and a pleasure to be one of her supporters.

  421. can someone please explain to me how it is possible for hrc to have earned 1800 delegates during the primaries and end up with 1/6 of that total during roll call?

    PLEEZE!

    And if that was going to happen wtf was the point in having a roll call? It made her look weak. Non-political junkies don’t realize she got more popular votes than BO. All they know is he won the nomination by acclamation. They will assume that also means he was the popular vote winner.

  422. OK guys on with business, we are soldiers we need to march on taking these bastards down.

    First Volley…………………………………………

    Biden Screwed in deep shit.

    LA Times have nailed him

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/LA_Times_Biden_son_brother_invested_with_firm_lobbying_his_office.html

    The L.A. Times is just popped a big story the Obama-Biden folks don’t want to be reading the night the Delaware senator introduces himself to the nation: a potential conflict of interest involving Biden and one of the nation’s biggest asbestos litigation law firms — which also happens to be his top contributor.

    The report seems to provide fuel to Obama supporters enraged Illinois senator picked a running mate with such deep ties to the D.C. cash-politics-lobbying world.

    Investigative reporters Chuck Neubauer and Tom Hamburger:

    “When Joe Biden’s brother and son wanted to buy a hedge fund company two years ago, they turned for financing to a law firm that had lobbied the Delaware senator’s office on an important piece of business in Congress — and in fact had just benefited from his vote.

    The firm promised James and Hunter Biden that it would invest $2 million, and quickly delivered half of it.

    That deal eventually fell through and the money was returned. But it highlighted the close ties that Joe Biden and his family have developed with SimmonsCooper, an Illinois law firm that specializes in asbestos litigation — a multimillion-dollar line of business that was under threat in Congress.

    In addition to providing financing for the hedge fund deal, SimmonsCooper picked the law firm of another of Biden’s sons, Beau, to work with it on dozens of asbestos cases in Delaware. “It was only natural that we worked with my friend Beau Biden and his firm,” said Jeffrey Cooper, longtime former managing partner of SimmonsCooper.

    And SimmonsCooper employees have donated about $200,000 to Biden’s campaign efforts since 2001, making the firm his No. 1 donor. All told, SimmonsCooper employees provided much more money to Biden than to any other senator during that period.”

  423. shenanigans,

    You are so right. There are indeed many different ways to get a point across and the Clintons have done that in spades. They have emerged as the first family at this convention, above Kennedy, above wannabe M.O. and Obama.

    Hillary has my respect always.

  424. if they think parading 17.8 million people out on that stage at the convention is gonna convince us thay BHO is “the one” … then,

    oh never mind this is pathetic.

    I’m angry, frustrated, and heartbroken

  425. You’re gonna have to handle the Biden shit, Moon. I’m up to my ears in Obama mud. If I try to take on anymore, I’ll blow a gasket.

    Keep posting the links though. 🙂

  426. Norma Desmond Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    pm317, I believe you are right. I ALSO believe that a SMALL group of PUMAS are ridiculously whacked out anyway and glomed on to this a a cause because it gave them power.
    —————-

    You have my sympathies; I won’t say much more but you get the drift.

  427. Right, I want to say something.

    I don’t normally get on my soapbox but I am tonight.

    We have stuck together through thick and thin for the last 7 months here. Don’t give up now.

    We are the last defense in what has been a powerful struggle against some very powerful pieces of shit.

    We Will not Back Down.

    We have protected Hillary through thick and thin and she has her reasons i suppose but I think its grown bigger than that now.

    For us to have any shot at Making Hillary President, WE MUST and its is a MUST take this undemocratic party to task.

    We stand shoulder to shoulder, back to back. When one attacks us, we are all attacked.

    Please lets get over the grief of what happened tonight and grow strong from it. We learnt there is no protection from party. We have only ourselves.

    Now lets get on with this. Stand Strong for Hillary, for country and for most important US.

  428. So here’s how I feel. Now that the dust is finally settling, now that Obama is the official nominee, I am starting to feel at peace. I will not vote for Obama because I will not reward sexist, hateful, homophobic and awful treatment of a woman who has dedicated her life to public service. I will not vote for McCain because I do not believe in Republican ideologies or policies. Hillary stole O’s thunder. Her speech was unbelievable and her graciousness at the roll call is un-matched in modern politics. She did everything she said she would do and is still the story. At the end of the day, she looks like the good guy and she gets the headlines. I will not work for Obama, nor will I work against him. I am a member of the invisible majority and he doesn’t notice me, then I will pay him no mind. As for McCain: I will do nothing to work for him either. I will be productive and find ways to support Hillary and her causes in a way that I am comfortable with. She is truly a hero, a champion, a leader. She awakened something in the nation that PC/Generic/Scripted Obama never will. She made me feel like I had a voice. She made it about us. And my voice is singing just as loud and clear now, as it was before. I am empowered. I will not let the DNC or Obama take that away from me.

  429. I also feel like the PUMA movement needs to find more ways to be productive now. Fight for Democracy, but they need to stop trying to get Obama off the ballot. It wouldn’t do any good for Hillary. It’s just not her time right now, but when that day comes, it will taste that much sweeter for waiting so long.

  430. Hey everyone, I love you all. Nothing said tonight, can be taken to heart. My heart is breaking, but the anger is getting fired up, and I will put it to good use.

  431. Hillary has my respect always and her inspiration

    NOOBAMA IN November..68 more days
    he will LOOSE ..INeligible to be A President…

    MCcain 08..maybe nader ill will think about it..
    Anyone but barack Obama…The LIAR cheater..
    this was not a fair Election party leaders did not abide by the Will of the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

    Poor daschle and democrats the Mccain signs are up!~!!!!!!seen quite a few!!!!!

  432. moononpluto,

    Amen!

    And thank you for those links.

    LJ,

    Well said!

    birdgal,

    Back at ya!

    Everyone…Group Hug! 🙂

  433. 1:50 pm MT: From ABC News’ Rick Klein, author of The Note: So all the buzz today was supposed to be about two big Wednesday speeches — Bill Clinton’s and Joe Biden.

    Why, then, is everyone in Denver talking about stagecraft?

    It’s simple: Reporters got their first glimpse of the stage where Barack Obama will deliver his speech tomorrow night at Invesco Field. Reuters described the set as similar to a “Greek temple.”

    Thus a legend — not the good kind — was born.

    Said one Democrat: “This is a disaster of mythical proportions.” Said another: “It’s not enough that he wants to be president — he wants to be Zeus.” Said the first: “Will he send down thunderbolts from the mountain?”

    Those are the Democrats — though assuredly not Obama partisans. Cue the Republicans: The RNC blasted around an e-mail referring to the “Temple of Obama.”

    “Tomorrow you’re going to see Obama come down from Olympus to be among us mere mortals,” Michael Steele, the former lieutenant governor of Maryland, told reporters in Denver.

    Senior Obama advisers dismiss the comparisons. There will be columns, they say, but it won’t look like a Greek temple — or even the White House portico.

    “It looks like any state capitol,” one adviser tells ABC News. “It’s a bunch of columns.”

    For the candidate who brought you his very own faux-presidential seal, this is not a good perception. Obama aides insist that the set is staying, and that it won’t look as bad as it sounds right now; the real backdrop, they say, will be his supporters.

    It raises anew the larger issue: After Berlin, and the “Celebrity” ads, does Obama want to accept the nomination in front of a screaming crowd of 75,000 people?

    Obama folks, who see the evening as an organizing tool, say yes. There’s a real enthusiasm gap here that the Obama folks want to exploit

    But I wonder: If this was being put together post-“Celebrity” — had it not been in the works for months — would the campaign have had such a problem with accepting the nomination inside the Pepsi Center — just like people normally do?

  434. I feel the same debbie…oh never mind this is pathetic.

    I’m angry, frustrated, and heartbroken

    mostly heartbroken for Our girl!!!

    we must fight to kick these people out of office every dang one of them.democrats kerry pelosi kennedy brazille …start keeping track of there donations and there mishaps all of them we need to log them…and donate to there opponett..

    and pass out all flyers through all the 50 states for Mccain and signs up everywhere for MCCain..to defeat this wacky BO

  435. Right on, Birdgal!!

    My plan? Continue to expose the piece of shit for the piece of shit he is. The war hasn’t changed one bit for me. I just need a day to get myself together so I can be the 6 million dollar women…I will rebuild myself. I will be stronger, faster , better…you know the drill. 😉

  436. NOT MAKING NICE…

    not going to do it….

    no way i’m going to give up, on trying to get obama out of our way…
    i wont listen to the silky voices calling to make peace,
    this site was allways about NO BAMA…

    NOBAMA
    NOWAY IN HELL
    .

  437. I swear all this has messed me up, I started singing this to the tune of muddy waters

    dun da da da dun
    in the year 2008

    dun da da da dun
    I went to the gate

    dun da da da dun
    I found a flyer

    dun da da da dun
    and I aint no liar

    dun da da da dun
    it said Hillary’s the best

    dun da da da dun
    way above all the rest

    dun da da da dun
    your time must be spent

    dun da da da dun
    to elect her president

    dun da da da dun
    but then came a young man

    dun da da da dun
    an obama man

    dun da da da dun
    he knew how to lie

    dun da da dadun
    i’ll testify

    dun da da da dun
    he done stole the election

    dun da da da dun
    thats my best recollection

    +++++++
    don’t worry I’m looking for the prozac now. (:

  438. I’m sorry but the Democratic? Taliban Party is full of crap this time. I do not TRUST the current crop of Leadership and Team Obama.

    McCain is right about higher taxes because Chicago high taxes and other crimes have not benefited the people of that city.

    The school system suck.

    Small business is tanking in Obama ward

    Reduce Services

    And now the Democratic? Taliban Party has split that party and not take responsibility on their own action but blame the Clintons and elevate President Carter.

    Basil9,

    Hillary came out Stronger over this and if you think this roll call travesty made Hillary seem weak…I beg to differ. It hurt Obama and the Democratic? Taliban Party more by raising questions regarding the Democratic Delegate System.

  439. (insert imaginary emoticons of many hands clapping furiously)

    YAY!!! The Great Greek Tragedy is almost upon us!!!

  440. I’ve tried hard but has anyone actually seen an american flag anywhere throughout this entire convention?

  441. Said one Democrat: “This is a disaster of mythical proportions.” Said another: “It’s not enough that he wants to be president — he wants to be Zeus.” Said the first: “Will he send down thunderbolts from the mountain?”

    R O T M F F L M F A O………..

  442. Do we have people in Denver, get one of them to cut the cord of the teleprompter, failing that knock out the electric during the speech.

  443. I wish Bill would not come out at all I don’t think I can stand another Clinton telling me to unite.

    But it would be great if they made him chair of the dnc!!!

  444. I really hope there is a huge pro-hillary movement to vacate the convention the minute Bill finishes his speech.

  445. Has anyone seen Oprah?

    Funniest line of the past few days was today when Alice Germond asked a state delegation to repeat their vote because she had not heard. She then said “Democrats count votes.”

    That line must have been written by a vicious comic with a perverse sense of humor.

  446. Obama is TOAST!!!

    I’d promised to stay for Hillary until the convention but next week I’m 100% behind McCain.

    I will not lower my standards for anyone….Obama RESUME is WEAK!

    Obama IS playing the race card for political gain…not for civil rights!

    Obama IS not Martin Luther King.

    And I would rather see Lt. Gov. Michael Steele be president than Obama because of the experience factor and proven LEADERSHIP.

    I can live with McCain and the more I know him, the more I like. I trust his LEADERSHIP ability and people skills from what I’ve seen on the campaign trail.

    Obama is a sneak and is weak!

  447. ONCE AGAIN…ME-chelle looked like the bitter, nasty gal she is when Bill CLinton came on stage. She hates so deeply that she can not keep it even hidden in the least.

    Future first lady…you bet. Just what the USA needs. Oh Help.

  448. Bill is a rascal. Even as he says something nice about B.O. he reminds everyone Hillary got 18 million votes. 🙂

  449. Bill butt-kissing with elegance but it’s still butt-kissing.

    wish he wouldn’t.

    Crowd gave him a standing ovation and wouldn’t stop applauding.

    He’s lying thru his teeth.

    Bill’s lying. 🙁

  450. This speech just makes it all the more obvious Bill and Hillary should be back in the WH and thats what a lot are going to take away from this.

  451. Love Bill Clinton but his push for Obama…it’s like the old saying “trying to put lipstick on a pig”

    Otherwise the speech is vintage Clinton…love him!

  452. Guys, the more I listen, the more I think that Bill is going SO over the top that he’s making it obvious.

    This is getting amusing. He knows the fool is going to lose, so he is saying, Oh, yeah he walks on water and cured cancer!”

    It’s almost funny. Deniable mockery. He is calling attention to the VERY areas where everyone knows Obama is weak.

  453. i hate that bitch….
    michelle…
    she just thinks she’s the shit…

    OH BILL, DONT DO THAT…
    YOUR THE BIG DAWG, DONT BEG US TO VOTE FOR
    THE ‘PIMP CANDIDATE’.

    PLEASE…

  454. You know what, Obama’s speech is going to look shit following Bill and Hillary’s.

    It will be so shit. They set the standard.

  455. I think even Michelle asked “who the hell is he talking about?”

    ROTFLMAO! I am loving it. People, Bill Clinton is smarter than the rest put together. And very, very sly.

    It’s like setting up a blind date for a friend and enthusing that the person is DROP DEAD GORGEOUS, OMG! when they are ugly as hell. He is setting expectations for Obama that he in no way meets. This is rich.

  456. Bill, Bill, Bill, you know what you are saying is crap. I don’t know how much more I can watch. This is SO sad. Big Dawg, you are slipping in my eyes the longer you go on.

  457. Michigan delegation delivers 125 votes to Obama
    By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN | Associated Press Writer
    7:56 PM CDT, August 27, 2008
    DENVER – Michigan Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Arthenia “Tina” Abbott talked about the state’s struggling economy when she cast Michigan’s votes for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    The Michigan AFL-CIO official and superdelegate announced Michigan’s vote on the convention floor Wednesday evening. Delegates gave 125 votes to Obama and 27 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Hillary won Michigan’s disputed Jan. 15 primary. Obama wasn’t on the ballot, but went on to win enough delegates to win the nomination.

    Abbott characterized Michigan as “the state most devastated by the unfair, failed trade and economic policies” of President Bush and GOP presidential candidate John McCain and said Obama’s plan to create jobs would help Michigan.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-cvn-michiganvotes,0,3825402.story
    ******************************************************
    Why this will come back to hurt the Democrats. Remember Actions speak louder then words.

  458. oh shit, he did not…

    barack will lead us back to ‘unity’ and ‘hope’..
    barack will always lead us back to a place called
    ‘hope’….

    way over the top, the great obama, he smeared it
    on…
    did you see michelles face…
    she puckered up her face and turned red…

  459. There are areas where Bill COULD have scrounged up legitimate good points about Obama. He didn’t.

    It was all HE CAN CURE CANCER! HE IS A TOWER OF EXPERIENCE! Every damn word of praise from Bill was in areas where it is OBVIOUS the man doesn’t measure up.

    Folks, Bill Clinton is a fucking political genius.

  460. dude!

    he screwed em !!!!!!!

    the end was just MOCKING, emperor Nobama…

    RIGHT ON BROTHER, RIGHT ON….. 😀

  461. Note to glowing endorsement he gave of….JOHN MCCAIN!!

    LMAO!!!

    Good on ya, Bill….blow the smoke and then high tail it out of town.

  462. # debbie Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    he’s not reading from the teleprompter
    ————————-

    Yes, let’s repeat it. There are no teleprompters.

    Watch for tennis match action from Obama on Thursday.

  463. Yeah, Barack will definitely lead us back to hope alright, all the way back to vote for its former first lady when he loses and she will run again in 2012!

  464. I am grinning a mile wide, here. Do you realize that Big Dawg just highlighted EVERY SINGLE FLAW of Obama’s, and he did it right under their noses?

    God, I love that man.

  465. The funniest part is that I’m watching the bots reaction, and they are actually saying stuff like, “Good for Bill. I never really hated him, he just made me so mad with all that racist stuff.”

    ROTFLMAO!!!! I’ve never seen so many fools in all my life.

  466. I watched about a last third and Bill Clinton is a political genius (who does not need a fucking teleprompter).

  467. MO’s look on her face was one of hate, there is no other thing it could be. She absolutely hate the man!

  468. I loved seeing Hillary and Chelsea cheering Bill on. Bill was wonderful. I wonder, if it hurt him to say those things about BO? He did set the bar very high.

    Idunn: You have the greatest knack for picking the most appropriate video clips. 🙂

    I had to leave the room. Horseface came on.

  469. HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    I am grinning a mile wide, here. Do you realize that Big Dawg just highlighted EVERY SINGLE FLAW of Obama’s, and he did it right under their noses?

    ————————
    May be that is why Hillary was grinning too waving the flag..

  470. OH SOMETHING ELSE,

    did you note bill said a few times, ‘barack is going
    to enforce the constitution?’

    HHHMMMMMMMMM

    but teacher, teacher,
    what if barack is not an american citizen?

  471. John Kerry is a fool….he’s highlighting all of Obama’s white family members who we never ever see.

  472. Bill also called attention to Bambi’s background and upbringing – did ya notice that?

    Oooo, he’s a sly dog!!!

  473. Bill is a great but no thanks bill NOObama.blue eyes to brown..lol.. is right bill ya fibber..he was spry like hillary last night there is no one who can compete with there speches ever….and i forget to turn my tv off and shoot there is that horse face omg..i turn it off
    real quick…that liar too..

  474. I hear that McCain will announce his VP right after the close of the Dem convention likely Friday morning

  475. TEX,

    the clintons are the masters of secret speak…
    too bad some people, are to stupid to understand…

  476. think about it:

    Monday – Michelle Obama

    Tuesday – H I L L A R Y

    Wednesday – B I L L

    Thursday – Barack Obama

    Who you think will stick out the most in peoples minds?

  477. I really don’t think HRC should had gotten it at this point. WHY SHOULD SHE CLEAN UP AFTER THESE CREEPS.

    It is they who ignored the Popular vote, who did not defend even participated in abusing women, and it is they who have ignored the declining polls.

    I PRESONALLY WANT TO SEE THEM GO DOWN BIG TIME IN NOVEMBER.

    IF SHE SAVED THEM NOW, ONE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HERENDOUS TASK, AND TWO MOST OF THOSE TURKEYS WOULD HAVE KEPT THEIR JOBS.

    I OWN MY VOTE.

  478. new mexico,

    i’m with you on this one:

    ‘MOST OF THOSE TURKEYS WOULD HAVE KEPT THEIR JOBS.’

    ‘I OWN MY VOTE.’

  479. If McCain were smart, he’d announce 1st thing saturday morning. Let Bambi have his few minutes of glory before people go to sleep, and then BAM! Wake up to McCains pick. Bye bye Bambi speech.

  480. I can’t wait to hear MSNBC hosts and Dick Morris blast Bill for saying nice things about McCain.

    They hate the Clintons for being gracious to McCain. I love that the Clintons didn’t change for this bunch of losers in the Democratic? Taliban Party.

  481. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    think about it:

    Monday – Michelle Obama

    Tuesday – H I L L A R Y

    Wednesday – B I L L

    Thursday – Barack Obama

    Who you think will stick out the most in peoples minds?
    i thought the same thing..well of course bill hill..they will believe bill and hillary if are nation is in deep trouble…and will listen to them first before anyone even that creep obama they wont listen to him.you can tell by the people looks in that dnc messed up crap

  482. Bill’s subliminal message was basically “If you believe this, I’ve got some swamp land to sell ya! 😉

  483. by the way, THANK YOU ALL, for being here with me
    thru this week…
    I didnt think i could do it, but you made it easier…

    now i can move on….

    now i will put hillary behind me, till our work is done..

    now i will work towards 2012, when hillary and bill
    will have a FAIR chance to come back…

  484. CJ, exactly. The DNC was screwed and they didnt know it. Hillary came out and said, let’s give it to Obama, smiled, laughed, but subtly said things that projected expectations onto Obama. Even said, please, recognize my husband who did a lot for this country, and again, Bill who reminded everyone why his presdency will be known as one of the best, again set the bar high, saying, let’s see Obama do this. I’m sure Obama will cave into the pressure.

  485. Notice it is Bill who sells Obama not Hillary. So there is no tape for 2012

    From PumaPac blog……

  486. The person was making the point that Hillary didn’t try to make a sale for Obama in case he wins and she challenges him again in 2012.

  487. Admin, and to the rest of my 44 team, let’s work together on purging the party beridding those that are hurting our true democrat core values, like Senator Kerry, or Chair Pelosi, and what not, and work toward to bringing back what is truly the Democrat Party, and not the Elites’ Party. In addition, we need to get rid of Donna Brazile, the very person who declined Florida and Michigan its’ votes and in a later political ploy with Obama, restored the delegates.

  488. Obama is nominee, but Bill Clinton’s speech crucial
    Dante Chinni
    Posted: 08.27.2008 / 8:56 PM EDT

    Denver – Unity is in the air here – or at least the appearance of unity.

    A deal was struck between the Obama and Clinton camps on the delegates here so everyone could save face. At about 7 p.m. the floor roll call vote was interrupted and, in a made for TV moment, Barack Obama was declared the Democratic nominee by acclamation. The O’Jays “Love Train” poured out over the speakers.

    Was it for real? Did Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s speech Tuesday night circle the wagons? While it was hailed by many in the media as a triumph, some in our Patchwork Nation communities have mixed feelings.

    Down in Baton Rouge, La., political science Prof. Robert Goidel, one of our bloggers in the community with a large African-American population (”Minority Central”), thought Senator Clinton did all she could for the ticket.

    “Can there be any doubt now that she would have been a compelling nominee?” Professor Goidel wrote in his blog. “But she is not the nominee, and she asks her supporters the question they must all answer. ‘Were you in this campaign just for me?’

    “The healing of a convention, the uniting of the Democratic Party, happens in this moment,” Goidel continued. “Could she have possibly left any doubts (or any doubters) on the table? Could she have possibly done anything more?”

    Michael O’Brien, a recent graduate of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor (our “Campus and Careers” community), said he thought that yes, Clinton could have done more.

    “Between my roommate and me, we didn’t think the speech was especially conciliatory,” Mr. O’Brien wrote in an e-mail. “If you really paid attention, she didn’t talk much about Obama. She had a few zingers on [John] McCain, but it didn’t dominate her speech. It was mostly Hillary’s time. And to toot The Hill’s horn.”

    James Rickman, one of our bloggers in Los Alamos, N.M. (a wealthy “Monied ‘Burb” in Patchwork Nation’s community types), liked the speech, calling it “masterful.” But he also believed many delegates looked less persuaded.

    “As the cameras panned the convention floor after what was supposed to have been a big night of unity for the Democrats, I remain unconvinced that a sea change has occurred amongst the party faithful and that there has been a conversion on the proverbial Road to Damascus for the Obama-persecuting Clintonites,” Rickman wrote in his blog.

    But, Wednesday night, many people on the floor here anyway actually felt the worst was over.

    Sean Stimmel, a 20-year-old delegate from Los Alamos, said Monday was tense and Tuesday may have been the hardest night of all. “Our delegation is split about 50/50 and a lot of Hillary supporters were tearing up,” Stimmel said. “But today felt different. We were riding down the elevator this morning and (New Mexico Lieutenant Governor) Diane Denish, who was a big Hillary supporter, saw a woman get on with a big ‘Hillary supporter for Obama’ button. She asked, ‘Where can I get one of those.’ ”

    If the healing had really begun, former President Clinton’s task Wednesay was to move things along. That wasn’t necessarily an easy task for him – some media reports said Bill Clinton was less than enthusiastic about Senator Obama.

    At a Monitor lunch Wednesday in Denver, however, former Clinton adviser James Carville said that anyone with questions about the former president’s support should wait until after Mr. Clinton’s speech Wednesday night.

    Carville must have seen the speech before hand, because it didn’t betray any hard feelings. The speech spent its three pages and 20 minutes explaining why Clinton supported Obama and why every Democrat needed to vote for him. It filled in the holes in his wife’s speech saying Obama was ready for the job. And it was an enormous hit in the hall.

    But the party will still have work ahead after Denver, Carville said. Party unification is a process: The Democrats don’t need to be done with it tomorrow night but they need to be on the way, he argued. They may now be.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/patchworknation/csmstaff/2008/0827/obama-is-nominee-but-bill-clinton%E2%80%99s-speech-crucial/
    ******************************************************
    It’s not the Clinton’s job to bring over Hillary’s supporters, it’s Barack Obama’s job. Just like it’s John McCain job to reach out to all the voters.

    John McCain is not waiting for Bill or Hillary to give him those supporters but for some reason Obama doesn’t think he has to earn people’s votes. His campaign has said time and time again he doesn’t need our votes and that he will win by expanding the base to Young people and those who are unregistered.

    I wish him well but I place Country before Party.

  489. yep justmeinmount ..they set the bar pretty high too…for that creep obama he scares me to death…he will never live up to them…im thinking if he is ever a president,we willl live on the streets ..and he will dictate to us,
    he is a slime ball …I could never elect a Liar never!!

  490. I hhave to say, looking at Palin’s biograpghy, she aint half bad.

    2 term mayor, gov, beauty queen, 2 term city councillor. She’s got more experience than the dumbfuck.

  491. hmm, the media is writing this about Palin, i smell a VP spot.

    For those Democrats who are considering abandoning the Obama ticket (primarily disillusioned Clinton supporters), Palin represents the final push into the Republican camp. Not only is she a woman (which, like it or not, is an issue for some voters), but she also puts a fresh, future-oriented face on the McCain campaign. By upending Alaska’s corrupt political class, Palin has actually produced the type of change that Barack Obama can only talk about; and her collar is far bluer than Joe Biden’s ever was. Furthermore, she is arguably the only candidate who has the necessary expertise to address the single most pressing issue in this election: gas prices. As Governor of Alaska, Chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission (America’s largest interstate organization), and a former Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, Sarah Palin can run rings around almost anyone when it comes to oil.

  492. YEP
    RUT RO

    I also looked at Palins bio today looked pretty good
    It would be hilarious if MCcain took a woman for VP

  493. # moononpluto Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Guys, theres serious hints being made, that McCain has picked Alaska Gov Sarah Palin.
    ———————-

    I read somewhere GoP took out Anwar from their platform to help McCain. I read she is for it?

  494. Why one Earth would McCain announce his Vice President on a basketball court in Ohio? Considering Palin’s notability for her basketball fame, this is interesting. I mean, if I was going to announce my Vice, I don’t think the first choice would be a b-ball court unless it signaled something.

  495. Greetings from the underground…. I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again one more time…. on behalf of my state I apologize for the cesspool that spawned this hostile takeover of the Dem Party. I don’t understand why Hillary released her delegates before the first ballot. Obama could have been nominated by acclamation after her delegates got to vote for her. But there’s a lot I don’t understand about this seemingly corrupted process.

    But, didn’t you love Bill’s speech? He did what he had to do, said what he had to say….. like no one else could. He leaves the door wide open for Hillary in 2012.

    I’m still in mourning for the outcome, however, it is interesting that tonight CNN reports McCain is dropping hints that he will make an unexpected choice for his veep. Time for the Maverick to make a nice “left turn.”

  496. Greetings from the underground…. I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again one more time…. on behalf of my state I apologize for the cesspool that spawned this hostile takeover of the Dem Party. I don’t understand why Hillary released her delegates before the first ballot. Obama could have been nominated by acclamation after her delegates got to vote for her. But there’s a lot I don’t understand about this seemingly corrupted process.

    But, didn’t you love Bill’s speech? He did what he had to do, said what he had to say….. like no one else could. He leaves the door wide open for Hillary in 2012.

    I’m still in mourning for the outcome, however, it is interesting that tonight CNN reports McCain is dropping hints that he will make an unexpected choice for his veep. Time for the Maverick to make a nice “left turn.”

  497. Good news:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12900.html

    Amid a spate of awkward on-air conflicts among MNSBC anchors at this week’s Democratic convention, some staff members say there are sharp internal disputes at the cable network over whether its opinion and personality-driven political coverage has crossed the line.

    “The situation at our channel is about to blow up,” a high-ranking MSNBC journalist told Politico on Wednesday.

    Two other MSNBC sources said some of the testy on-air exchanges between Keith Olbermann — whose quick-witted and often caustic commentary has fueled ratings growth — and other network personalities were a public glimpse of much more intense behind-the-scenes turmoil.

    As replays of the conflicts became YouTube hits, MSNBC President Phil Griffin gave his first public defense in a Politico interview.

    “MSNBC does not have an ideology,” Griffin said. “We hire smart people who are passionate about their love of politics and love of news.”

    “Do I want them to have squabbles?” Griffin asked. “No. But I understand they’re human.”

    In addition to Olbermann, MSNBC personalities Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and David Shuster were involved in Denver controversies.

    On Monday evening, Olbermann interrupted Scarborough while he was talking about McCain being competitive in the polls. “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?” Olbermann remarked.

    On “Morning Joe” the following day, a clearly agitated Scarborough went off on Shuster during a discussion of Iraq, which quickly devolved over several cringe-worthy minutes into personal attacks, such as Scarborough telling the world how his colleague missed the show three times by oversleeping. “Are you Rip Van Shuster?” Scarborough asked. “Have you been sleeping for the past couple of months?”

    But Scarborough, a former Republican congressman from Florida, became enraged when Shuster made a reference to “your party.” Asked by Scarborough what his party was, Shuster said he was an “independent.”

    “I feel so comforted by the fact that you’re an independent,” Scarborough said, in a mocking tone. “I bet everybody at MSNBC has independent on their voting cards. Oh, we’re down the middle now.” (Shuster left the set, but returned later to hug it out, “Entourage”-style.)

    That night, Scarborough told NPR that he “get[s] frustrated by people who have an obvious partisan bias that don’t proclaim that bias.”
    The old debate over election coverage bias was given new life on Sunday, when Democratic Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell — who’d remarked during the primaries that Fox News was the “most objective” network — told a panel of Sunday show anchors, including NBC’s Tom Brokaw, that “MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign.”

    “I’ve got to laugh a little bit,” Griffin said, over the notion that MSNBC has an agenda, while Rendell is “the voice of reason.”

    “Ed Rendell, bless his soul, has an agenda,” Griffin said. “Period.”

    Even with Obama as the presumptive nominee, it was MSNBC vs. the Clinton team again, a battle that played out throughout the primaries.

    During Tuesday night’s broadcast, both Olbermann and Matthews took shots at Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign’s former communications director, criticizing him as a Republican collaborator because of his work as a Fox News analyst.

    Matthews called Wolfson a “little toy soldier waiting on the shelf,” while Olbermann compared him to “Tokyo Rose,” the woman who delivered propaganda over the airwaves during World War II.

    “I think these antics have seriously damaged NBC’s brand,” wrote Wolfson in an e-mail to Politico.
    On Wednesday, Wolfson criticized MSNBC on the air, too.

    “I’m not gonna take any lectures on how to be a good Democrat from two people who spent the last two years relentlessly attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton every day,” Wolfson said Wednesday on Fox News.

    Also on Wednesday, the New York Post reported that Olbermann was an obstacle in allowing McCain adviser-turned-NBC political analyst Mike Murphy to get on the air during the convention. Murphy was bumped from Monday’s convention coverage due to “technical difficulties,” the Post reported. He also didn’t appear on Tuesday.

    “I’m told I’ll be on the air tonight,” Murphy said, when reached by phone Wednesday.

    And so will Olbermann and Matthews, anchoring on a big night when Bill Clinton hits the stage. But last night the two volatile hosts bickered, with Matthews jumping into the frame as Olbermann introduced House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).

    “You made that sound, Keith,” Matthews said, raising his voice. “I can do the same to you. That’s what I thought, and I said it.”

    Some sources who have worked with Olbermann at MSNBC describe him as a difficult colleague, and one source said that there are tensions with Matthews.

    Regardless, Griffin said he has faith in his convention anchors — including Olbermann, a scourge of the right — for both the final days in Denver and next week in St. Paul, Minn.

    “Look, when Keith anchors, he plays it straight down the line,” Griffin said. “This is our team. They’ve served us well. We love ’em, and we’re going to be at the Republican convention, and it’s going to be great. And I don’t have any hesitation.”

  498. Now, this Biden thing. You can not tell me Obama’s peeps did not know that.

    Now, this Bill Ayers thing. You can not tell me Obama’s peeps…I mean Obama did not know that.

    Obama does not want to be president because it is too much work. Obama only wants to play one in the primaries.

    PUMA!

  499. Obama’s failure to pick Hillary gave McCain a huge opening, and he appears ready to exploit it with an unconventional VP choice. And if he picks a woman, it’ll just remind everyone all over again that Obama blew it by picking Biden.

  500. pm317, the link is interesting. It originally went to McCain/Palin now its McCain/Pawlenty. Odd.

    More news:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/28/america/28repubs.php

    Senator John McCain has decided on his running mate, two Republican strategists in contact with McCain’s campaign said Wednesday. He is expected to reveal his choice at a rally at a basketball arena in Dayton, Ohio, at 11 a.m. Friday.

    McCain’s decision is known only to his small inner circle of advisers, no more than three or four people, who have refused all public discussion on the matter. Republicans close to the campaign said that the top contenders remained the same three men who have been the source of speculation for weeks: former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and, possibly, Senator Joseph Lieberman, independent of Connecticut.

    —————-
    Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with McCain.

    “It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

  501. The bad news about Palin is that a woman will dim the chances for Hillary in 2012. Unless they lose which will be interpreted as losing because of the woman and that will really dim Hillary’s chances.

    A Repub Hispanic, however, would win big. It would also turn the tables on the 95% black vote with the 90% Hispanic vote….Hispanics win!

  502. “The bad news about Palin is that a woman will dim the chances for Hillary in 2012. ”

    ———

    The Repubs are in a position to checkmate the Democratic party on women in high political office.

    As someone whose 22 year old old daughter said today, “Dad, I just can’t think about a country where a woman can be elected”, I say more power to ’em. Tje Dems deserve whatever they get handed to them.

  503. Hi Hillfriends…all I can say is the last two days have been so draining…and I love, I truly love, respect and admire Hillary and Bill Clinton…what graceful and amazing people they both are…

    what a nightmare…all for that ‘kid’ who the dems are gambling on to tell us and everyone else how to run our country and our place in the free world…based on what? what credentials does he have? nightmare…

    I feel like this punk just barged in and tookover…

    Obama looks like a boy next to Hill, Bill and Biden…

  504. So McCain hinted the pick would be unconventional? I don’t think Romney, Pawlenty or Lieberman would fit into that category.

  505. INSIDE THE BELTWAY: A weblog from Inside the Washington D.C. Beltway About New Mexico Issues
    by Michael Coleman, Journal Washington Bureau E-Mail him Web Feed

    Home Inside the Beltway Domenici Says Kay Bailey Hutchison Leading Contender for GOP VP Choice
    Domenici Says Kay Bailey Hutchison Leading Contender for GOP VP Choice
    Written by Michael Coleman
    last updated Wednesday, August 27, 2008, at 16:15:48 … created Wednesday, 27 August 2008
    Sen. Pete Domenici just told me the fresh chatter among top Republicans is that Sen. John McCain will pick Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison as his vice presidential running mate later this week.

    “The latest going around is that it’s going to be the woman from Texas,” Domenici said during a telephone interview about the upcoming Republican National Convention in Minneapolis next week. “She’s a very good candidate. I’m just coming out of left field here, but I’m willing to tell you that’s what I’m hearing.”

    Domenici said Hutchison, a former newscaster, is especially good at television, and could be helpful to McCain on the stump. Obviously, she’s a woman, and generally supports abortion rights, which could possibly help lure some disenchanted former Hillary Clinton voters who refuse to vote for Barack Obama.

    Then again, at 65, she’s not exactly a lure for younger voters and she wouldn’t bring any regional balance to the ticket. And wasn’t Texas Rep. Chet Edwards a last-minute “lock” on becoming Obama’s V.P. choice?

    Domenici, the son of Italian immigrants who is preparing to attend his 10th and final GOP convention as a sitting U.S. senator, said with a chuckle that he initially liked the idea of Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota as V.P. before he realized “he isn’t Italian.”

    http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/content/view/8432/40/

  506. basil9

    I hear in your comments that you need a long break.

    Make ya a deal…let the birdies dance around on your keyboard once every couple days so that we know how your renovation is going (or if you’ve even found a new contractor)

    Hint: find a woman contractor…check with your favorite Home Depot clerk. They are out there. And she will get the damm job done…and done right.

    Also, they can tell us how the weather is, which one might be feeling in an egg laying mood, where they are currently nesting just to make you crazy, and btw, how you are getting on.

    No news from you I can take for a little while.

    No news about the birds:

    Bummer.

  507. Ohio changed rules and now they can register on the day of voting and (of course) there is no id check? have you heard about this? Who can bus more people in, Obama or McCain? Pelosi was saying that they own the ground. I don’t like what I am hearing.

  508. g’night Clinton fans.

    I missed Bill’s speech, as I walked out after two minutes.
    From what I understand it was better than I expected.
    Bill is a man of finesse.
    He went all out for the little emperor.

    Interesting election is an understatement.

  509. I live in Ohio, where did you here this. I work in the booth on election day. We do check id’s. Thats a fact

  510. They could not have changed the rules in OH without it going through the Repub legislature. I seriously doubt that has happened on the sly and no one knows.

  511. G’night, too, all. Interesting spending the day on suicide watch with you. Thanks, Hillfriends. Sadly, we lost our charge. RIP, Democrats.

  512. 1. I really think he threw the election when he picked Biden.

    2. I think McCain’s announcement of his VP Friday or Saturday is strategically brillant

    3. I don’t think it will be a women. Although I think he will place women in his cabinet.

    4. If he convince Colin Powell to take it (and I am not sure he can), it would be all over for O.

    5. VPs don’t alway get promoted. Remember Gore.

  513. admin I hope msnbc crashes and burns. they are a sorry network to receive any honest information from I havent given them more tha 2 minutes in the last month. but I like Joe’s forthrightness at least he says it as he sees it without hiding behind a facade

    and yes you were right…who would of thought we would have to watch FOX to get a balanced view ..I still don’t think they are very fair when it comes to Hillary

  514. H4T, thanks. Neetabug, I don’t have reliable info.

    But about the ID, isn’t it illegal to check (what was that supreme court case involving IN)? I personally don’t like ID check because not everyone has a passport or a license. I prefer a registration cutoff date so that they have our info on hand before we show up at the polling place and they can verify what we say with the info they have.

  515. admin Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    MSNBC meltdown, Scarborough vs. Olbermann; “get a shovel”:

    ——————

    We should start a betting pool as to when this ‘Network’ reaches it’s zenith, and on whose program will we witness the obvious and inescapable fate of Howard Beale.

    I love you tube.

  516. ADMIN,

    a good video to add to our ‘HALL OF SHAME’…

    anyway, you know what would really be mind
    blowing?

    IF MCCAIN PICKED HILLARY FOR V P !!!!

  517. Palin bio doesn’t look bad. Young, female seems smart and knowledgeable and she is wildly loved and popular by Alaskan and she can play some hoops. The obvious concern is foreign policy but she is good on energy. If Mccain picks her, he knows Biden is mortally wounded by the LA times story about him, his son and the lobbyist and perferential senate votes to help his son. HMMMMMM!

    Obama did not know this stuff before he picked Biden. HMMMMMMMM!

    There is something rotten in Denmark. This whole primary now general election season has been hard to figure. Are our elected officials this stupid??

  518. my theory-mccain wont pick romeny or the mn gov for this-he wants someone to give him an attn grabbing bounce and rivet some energy for his cmapaign. romney is rich -has many homes. dont think mccain wants more homes crap and it would look to some as a liability.

    gov pawlnety is a safe choice-but he has had many battles in mn that made natl headlines. and they werent for the best fo reasons.

    wont be lieberman. causes a revolt in the party.

    palin or hutchinson are his best female choice i can think of this sec. hutchinson most terrifying for the obama ticket. she is the shrewdest gop female ive seen. she will slice u with a great big smile. many dems here like her-she is the msot popular sen in the senate.

    palin is another. although pro-life-her story about keeping her downs kid and all will be very appealing to many prochoicers as well. her story neutralizes attacks on her being pro life. a reformist gov in a big oil state could help mccain much and show up the dnc and obama for not treating hillary right.

    rep cantor is one that appauls me-he is very conservative-i mean very. he is a jew-but not like liebrman for sure.

    or mccain may pick someone not really mentioned before and so a bigger shocker. most think he badly wants clnton voters and has a window here to get them. if i were advising mccain id say palin. fri right after the dem conv makes me think it could be a her as well. right after all this outrage from clinton folks over obama’s snub of hillary and then he picks a oman for the ticket should scare the hell out of every dem strategist around.

    my 2 cents

  519. I did not know Kay BaileyH is a friend of Hillary’s, well I can say is very much into women’s rights.
    I hope she is, and I hope she rides her big sorrell red horse into that basketball arena on friday.
    THe woman can sit a horse!

  520. They print in the newspapers you have to have valid id in order to vote. This started last year with the primary. No id no vote. We turn a lot of people away last year. Some went home to get their utility bills. We do not accept passports (they don’t show the address)

  521. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Guys, the more I listen, the more I think that Bill is going SO over the top that he’s making it obvious.

    This is getting amusing. He knows the fool is going to lose, so he is saying, Oh, yeah he walks on water and cured cancer!”

    It’s almost funny. Deniable mockery. He is calling attention to the VERY areas where everyone knows Obama is weak.
    ****************************

    Well said! He knows O doesn’t stand a chance, and he is charming everyone for 2012

  522. So which Wilbur (rat) inside the McCain camp has leaked the McCain VP to CNN Borger Bitch AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK?? She was about to Pee all over herself containing what she has been informed of………………SO WHO IS IT????????????????????????????/

  523. I think that MO was the one that chose Biden, she was up there crying when they talking Biden’s first wife. Mo’s smiles were geniune when Biden was talking, but not so when Hill or Bill were speaking.

  524. They both made an important presentation at this convention to make sure people knew they would be there to pick up the pieces.

  525. confloyd, Hillary and Hutchison became friends when HRC was elected to the Senate. It’s funny how a woman who’s supposed to be “polarizing” has so many friends across the aisle.

  526. I am not going to be pist that McCain will chose a woman for vp and I will vote for the ticket, because in my mind Hillary will be the first female POTUS!