The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

It was quite a night last night. American Movie Channel (AMC) was broadcasting the “spagetti western” The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly. On cable and the networks the Democrats convened.

The Disco Democratic convention with shifting lights, and bathed in blue was less Brady Bunch, more Addams Family. Besides a mirrored disco ball the only other glittery ornament missing was John Edwards cradling a fatherless baby.

Naughty James Carville spoke for the few viewers of the Disco Democratic Convention: “If this party has a message, they did a hell of a job hiding it tonight.”

Carville is wrong. The Democrats are sending a message loud and clear with the Disco Democratic Convention. And the message ain’t pretty.

The Democratic message is that of a personality cult. After spending over a quarter of a billion dollars Barack Obama is still selling himself, not just his books. After spending well over 300 million dollars the American voter is still saying “keep the change”. Now the Democratic(?) Party has joined the cult and spending money on behalf of cult leader. 300 million dollars plus what the Democratic (?) Party is now spending and still it’s “no sale”. Americans know Obama is not qualified to be president and John McCain is taking full advantage of that reality.

The Democratic Disco convention is missing a mirror ball, John Edwards (with baby) and either John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever garb or perhaps the Studio 54 “cocaine spoon” swaying over the dancers. Absent that, they sent out Michelle.

Michelle Obama, wife of the cult leader, daughter of the corrupt Chicago machine, took to the stage last night in the $600 earrings she bought with the Bush tax rebate. Michelle gave a soul-less performance in her new “acceptable to the bitter and the clingy” guise.

Unfortunately for Michelle this election features Youtube. Some commentators have even dubbed this the “Youtube election” because it is the first presidential election ever in which Youtube has played a part or even existed. And we do remember Michelle pre make-over. Remember this Michelle, with pulled back hair, attempting to insult Hillary?

Then of course there is Michelle Obama, pre make-over, refusing to unite. The Michelle Obama we remember is the one who would not promise to endorse the winner of the nomination. Many Democrats will remember and identify and do as Michelle would do.

The made over Michelle and the made over Disco Democrats are like Obama, LOSERS.

The Gallup Daily Presidential Tracking Poll today:

McCain creeps ahead, 46% to 44%

Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama’s Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week’s standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday

shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while John McCain also earns 44%. When “leaners” are included, it’s still tied with Obama at 46% and McCain at 46%. Yesterday, with leaners, Obama had a three-point advantage over McCain (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day. Sign up for free daily e-mail update.

Obama is supported by 78% of Democrats while McCain gets the vote from 85% of Republicans. The GOP hopeful also has a slight advantage among unaffiliated voters. [snip]

Obama’s support has declined in each of the last three individual nights of polling. This may be either statistical noise or a reaction to the selection of Biden. If it’s the latter, it probably has less to do with Biden than Hillary Clinton.

As Democrats prepare to commit suicide, Obama is attempting to silence opposition via intimidation.

Sen. Barack Obama has launched an all-out effort to block a Republican billionaire’s efforts to tie him to domestic and foreign terrorists in a wave of negative television ads.

Obama’s campaign has written the Department of Justice demanding a criminal investigation of the “American Issues Project,” the vehicle through which Dallas investor Harold Simmons is financing the advertisements. The Obama campaign — and tens of thousands of supporters — also is pressuring television networks and affiliates to reject the ads. The effort has met with some success: CNN and Fox News are not airing the attacks.[snip]

Bauer’s letter called on the Justice Department to open “an investigation of the American Issues Project; its officers and directors; and its anonymous donors, whoever they may be.”

“This is a sad ploy to circumvent the First Amendment by a campaign who has no arguments with the merits of our ad. It’s the classic maneuver: If you can’t win on the merits, file a lawsuit,” said a spokesman for the American Issues Project, Christian Pinkston, who said his group’s non-profit status allowed it to participate in elections as long as it does a majority of policy work, which it plans to do.[snip]

The Obama campaign plans to punish the stations that air the ad financially, an Obama aide said, organizing his supporters to target the stations that air it and their advertisers.

But the ad continues to air widely. Evan Tracey, who tracks campaign advertising at TNS Media Intelligence, said it has been broadcast 150 times in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Michigan. Federal Election Commission reports indicate that Simmons has spent more than $2.8 million buying ads.

The Obama intimidation letters are amusing. Imagine, only the Obama campaign expects “Justice” from the Bush “Justice” Department. It’s like expecting the truth and openness from the Obama campaign – a total joke.

Obama should long ago released his hidden papers. If American voters had the information necessary to make an honest decision about Obama the ads Obama tries to shut down would not have such impact. Obama should come clean. Obama should come clean about all his running mates, Rezko/Ayres/Wright.

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Tonight Hillary will deliver The Goods. No doubt Hillary’s speech wil be brilliant. Her talk a celestial choir. But we will see The Bad and it will still be NObama, NOvember.

Chelsea Clinton will narrate a video which will introduce Hillary Clinton.

Hillary’s speech will take place on Women’s Equality Day. The events at the Disco Democrats convention will be an ugly joke to women. This 88th year of women finally able to vote reminds us that women are still being sent to the back of the bus. And that’s not Good, that’s Bad and Ugly.

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688 thoughts on “The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

  1. I guess Obambi’s arrogance is finally irritating the American people and they’re finally seeing for what he is: an opportunistic, power hungry idiot!

  2. REPOST: Gloria Allred, one of Clinton’s Delegates, says “I was not elected to be a potted plant.”

    Hillary Clinton may not have that much control over her own delegates, who are still whipped up into a frenzy over what they view as slights from the Obama campaign.

    Clinton delegate and Los Angeles women’s lawyer Gloria Allred grabbed a napkin from the tables at the California delegation breakfast this morning and wore it as a gag to protest not being allowed to speak at the breakfast.

    “I was not elected to be a potted plant,” Allred said through her gag, holding up DNC rules that say delegates must vote as they are elected. Californnia has 204 delegates pledged to Hillary Clinton, versus 166 for Obama.

    Clinton delegate Julie Wong of Los Gatos was handing out white wrist bands to rally solidarity at the convention tonight when Clinton speaks. Hillary supporters have a march planned for today, which coincides with the anniversary of the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote.

    Allred said Clinton herself “doesn’t have the legal power” to tell her own delegates how to vote. “She can do it, but that doesn’t mean we have to do it,” Allred said.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29479

  3. Great article, Admin.

    Ever feel like your trapped in a never ending nightmare, where you subconsciously try to force yourself awake, but your entire physical self is paralysed and helpless?

  4. is anyone here willing to live blog hillary’s speach tonight for people like me with no tv to watch it
    and dial up doesn’t allow me to watch live online either…….so it would be so awesome if someone would be so kind to live blog tonight!!

    Pretty please! 😀

  5. Fabulous, admin. And CounttheVotes, I love that article! Potted plants, indeed. Not me. I OWN MY VOTE.

  6. Fox news went out on the streets of Denver last night to interview young Obama supporters. The results were predictable. When asked to name any Obama accomplishments … they couldn’t. One said “Ahhh … the children … well …” Then these kids were asked why they supported Obama in the first place. Well, he’s young, he has a nice voice, he’s handsome and he is a good performer. Remember … as the Fox reporter said, the only vote many of these kids have ever cast was for American Idol.

  7. moononpluto – oh gawd. the Fox news piece makes me feel like we should raise the voting age to 30.

    they’re totally right – some of these kiddies have not voted for anything other than American Idol. Perhaps the Republicans can pull the wool over them and make them think they don’t need to go to the voting booths – they can just text their vote.

  8. moononpluto – great find, as always.

    I have to say watching it – I’m not sure the video as incendiary as Carter’s words are in print…I thought he was trying to say that Obama was a black boy raised by his mother would have this kind of political future, etc- I thought he was referring to Obama’s childhood.

  9. And the Big Dog barks.

    thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html

    He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”

    LOVE BIG DAWG! WOOOOF! Go get ‘em, Bill! Someone on riverdaughter said the bots will rue the day they ever decided to take down Big Dawg, and I agree.

  10. Bill drops Obama in it, we love ya Bill

    Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama

    thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html

    The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.

    He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”

  11. count the votes, if that had been one of Clintons people or a republican, you’d never hear the end of being called a racist.

  12. The DailyKooks and the nutroots thought this guy would be easy to beat. The only one who can beat him is Hillary. Obama will be eaten alive.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/McCain_takes_after_Obama_in_Legion_speech.html

    John McCain came very close Tuesday morning to outright questioning Barack Obama’s patriotism, painting his Democratic rival as a detached, cocksure candidate who believes too much in internationalism and not enough in the stand-alone strength of America.

    Speaking to a crowd of several thousand American Legion veterans at the Phoenix Convention Center, McCain went right after Obama’s strength — his rock star appearance in Berlin earlier this month, saying Obama “was the picture of confidence.”

    “But confidence in oneself and confidence in one’s country are not the same,” McCain said.

  13. My 2:49 post was referring to the longshot possibility that Obama serves two terms
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    2 terms in joliette prison after rezko talks?

  14. love it – just posting the juicy stuff:

    Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama
    By Sam Youngman
    Posted: 08/26/08 01:47 PM [ET]
    DENVER — Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.

    The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.

    He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”

    Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: “This has nothing to do with what’s going on now.”

    thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html

  15. Admin: Obama will be eaten alive.
    ——————————————–
    I am beginning to think so just as long as the voting machines do not get corrupted.

  16. Now THAT’S a man. He has more balls than the rest of these party dweebs put together.

    One of these days, I am going to grab Bill Clinton and give him a big hard kiss on the mouth, just before secret service takes me down.

  17. From that article:

    “Clinton has been a media magnet throughout the year as his remarks have caused heartache and headaches to former and current supporters.

    From when he called Obama’s candidacy “a fairytale” to when he compared the Illinois senator’s win in South Carolina to that of Rev. Jesse Jackson’s, many Clinton loyalists, detractors and analysts feel that Clinton did irreparable damage to both his wife’s candidacy and his legacy as president.”
    —-

    Total bullshit. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but outsiders read this blog too, so let it be known that (a) he never called Obama’s candidacy a fairy tale — he said the media’s misinterpretation of his position on the war was a fairytale. The only person who roughly compared Obama’s CANDIDACY to a “fairy tale” was JOE BIDEN, who called it “storybook.”

  18. Yep, I am worried about the voting machines as well. If it happens it happens — another sign of dwindling democracy and corruption of the Democratic party. Democrats don’t want to be like Republicans for a reason but that line in the sand is in danger of being washed out in this election.

  19. clinton close friend erwin bolts to mccain
    http:/ /projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/erwin_backs_mccain

  20. What I said above? That Bill has more balls than the rest put together? THAT, my friends is the thing that some other Democrats have never forgiven him for. For making them all look like the dweebish little whiny elitist dipshits that they are.

    Their animosity has nothing to do with having bailed him out of Monica-gate. They just can’t stand the fact that he can pee further than they can.

  21. Gotta love Wolfson! I definitely hope they bring him back in 2012:

    —-
    WaPo:

    Wolfson made it clear that he thinks it is Obama who needs to make amends.

    “Senator Obama would go a long way towards healing these wounds if he were to specifically praise the accomplishments of the Clinton presidency in a line or two during his speech on Thursday,” he concluded. “That should be painless.”

  22. CountTheVotes Says:
    – some of these kiddies have not voted for anything other than American Idol. Perhaps the Republicans can pull the wool over them and make them think they don’t need to go to the voting booths – they can just text their vote

    ================

    LOL! From a cocaine party at 3 am!

  23. Pelosi’s speech Reinforces Brazile’s “We don’t need no old timey Dems, we got the New Guard” Stance:

    Here’s the whole spiel from politico.com:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12839.html

    Here is the funny stuff:

    Pelosi says polls shortchange Obama

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told convention-goers Tuesday morning that polls are underestimating the strength of Barack Obama, contending he will win with the support of new or intermittent voters, who are not generally polled.

    “I’m very comfortable with those polls,” Pelosi said at a rooftop breakfast panel near the Democratic National Convention. “I think he is trouncing him. I want more of a spread, of course — I want it all.”
    &&&&&&

    Polls underestimate his strength??? If anything, they’ve been slanted far too favorably in Obama’s direction and away from Reality.

    With Obama falling steadily, and McCain slowly rising, with even Rasmussen and Gallup showing McC slighly up or tied, yes, I too “am very comfortable with those polls”, Nancy.

    Jeesh, how many hopium hits did she do that morning?

  24. Sitting in the playground with my two year old niece this afternoon. I happened to overhear a couple of soccer moms discussing the convention. What I gathered is that they were bored and seriosly doubted anyone could look as good as senator kennedy so soon after having a brain tumor removed and enduring chemo. And since when does a yacht exemplify Democratic ideals. It was entertaining to so the least.

  25. Guys, send morning Joe a supportive email! He got into it BIGTIME with Schuster over Schuster’s supposedly “independent” status! Joe is absolutely right. He is at least up front about his political bias with the audience. The insistence of the Schusters and Olbermanns that they are “independent” is a sick joke.

    Joe@msnbc.com

    Here’s article, but video is to the right: media.newsbusters.org/stories/scarborough-mocks-shuster-msnbc-for-no-bias-claims.html

  26. Nasty Pelosi: New and “intermittent” voters:

    Pelosi’s speech also included this gem: “We will own the ground Election Day”.

    Yeah, these are the “solid types” who will help you get out the vote???

    First time voters?
    “I’m 32, and never voted before, but I’m all for Barack America”

    Intermittent voters?
    “Sometimes I feels likes votin’, sometimes I don’t. Git back to me in early November.”

    Fresh out of college/high schoolers?
    “I’m conflicted, about voting for Obama, or driving a few hundred miles to the Dave Matthews concert….the concert would be really cool.”

    &&&&&&&&&
    The core Dems will be out in force Election Day, protesting Obama, and some working for McCain. If Hillary is not the nominee, and the Dems don’t vet Obama about his birth cert and citizenships, then I will work to make sure as many people vote for McCain, to prevent O-man from taking over. McCain’s more centrist than he’s having to play, and Obama is outright unpredicable.

  27. Admin!

    LOVE the disco democrat comvention!

    That’s exactly what the stage looks like. You nailed it.

    😛

  28. The lightbulb just went off for me: does it strike anyone else as COMPLETELY insane that McCain is actively courting Hillary supporters, while Obama isn’t? This speaks volumes about Obama’s lack of political savvy and his runaway ego. All we hear from the Obama campaign is ‘hurry up and unify, and please ignore the polls’

  29. It is unseemly to see the bots try to turn what is supposed to be a convention to select a nominee into a puppet show. They send out press releases telling msm what Hillary will say in her speech when I strongly suspect they do not know. The issue here is bigger than barack. Yes, I will say it again: the issue is bigger than barack, bigger than the incense burners, bigger than the party. The issue is the country. And if that is not a major focus of her speech I will be disappointed.

  30. Another ridiculous aspect of this convention: having a live band/orchestra playing whenever a speech starts/stops makes it feel like the Academy Awards. Not a good image to be presenting to the swing voters that Obama needs. With all that schmaltzy music last night, I felt like I was like watching the Lawrence Welk show.

  31. rgb44hrc Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Jeesh, how many hopium hits did she do that morning?
    *******

    Only her Taxidermist Knows the “REAL” truth

  32. Another ridiculous aspect of this convention: having a live band/orchestra playing whenever a speech starts/stops makes it feel like the Academy Awards.

    That’s exactly what I thought! Like maybe, if the speaker went on too long, the music would come on and drown them out.

  33. Well put but we are trying to do something about it–safeguarding the machines. At least a friend of mine is. And others are talkin about it too.

  34. Idunn said:

    That’s exactly what I thought! Like maybe, if the speaker went on too long, the music would come on and drown them out.

    —-

    You mean like that painfully-awkward ending to Kennedy’s remarks last night, when all of a sudden this huge swell of loud, jarring, inappropriate, big-band music blared over the speakers? lol

  35. Berkeley Vox Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    The lightbulb just went off for me: does it strike anyone else as COMPLETELY insane that McCain is actively courting Hillary supporters, while Obama isn’t?
    **************
    BHusseinObama can not cout us…..if he did he would have to shed light on the issues that we are angry about (ie: vote stealing,sexism et al)

    that would be sure political death for him

    so i never held my breath that he would court hillary’s supporters

    now McCain isn’t afraid to shed the light 😀

  36. Obama isn’t courting Hillary supporters because he honestly believes he is entitled to their support without any work involved. He thinks her supporters should fall in line with the rest of his lemmings and woe be those who defy him!

  37. Berkeley Vox Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Another ridiculous aspect of this convention: having a live band/orchestra playing whenever a speech starts/stops
    ================

    It’s to cover shouting from the audience. Someone might shout something Obama doesn’t like.

  38. Berleley Vox
    someone last night said the band made the convention centersound like the place where second rate wedding bands go to die.

  39. centersound like the place where second rate wedding bands go to die.

    I think it was something like: where did they fond this band? In where-bad bad wedding bands go to die-istan?

  40. The lightbulb just went off for me: does it strike anyone else as COMPLETELY insane that McCain is actively courting Hillary supporters, while Obama isn’t? This speaks volumes about Obama’s lack of political savvy and his runaway ego. All we hear from the Obama campaign is ‘hurry up and unify, and please ignore the polls’
    ———————————————
    In a rational universe–yes most definitely. In barrys world it gets back to the definition of a flake posted on the previous thread.

  41. That Shuster is a fool with energy (which is worse than just a fool according to some Russian proverb). I saw him decimate Will Bower and Darragh Marphy (I saw the clip) the other day when they could not put up a strong counter argument to his unjustified tirade.

  42. wbboei

    I have been meaning to tell you that i have enjoyed all of your articles you have posted here at the big pink!

    the Flake one on the previous thread was excellent and on mark

  43. wbboei Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    It is unseemly to see the bots try to turn what is supposed to be a convention to select a nominee into a puppet show. They send out press releases telling msm what Hillary will say in her speech when I strongly suspect they do not know
    ****
    Yes, I have always suspected that sometimes the press isn’t deliberately putting out misinformation (and yet sometimes it does exactly that), but that the press doesn’t know what’s really going on, and so they’ll publish rumors. they’re so worried that the blogosphere might scoop them that they do exactly what the blogsphere does – put out rumors.

  44. I think Bambi’s achilles Hill may be the abscence of a sense of humor. McCain has been endearing himself for weeks with the tongue firmly planted in cheek and waffles is still trying to sell the tired/hope theme without anything to back it up.(yea i meant to mispell and capitalize heel)

  45. By the way have you read Damien by Hesse. Loved it.

    I’ve read everything by Hesse. He’s my favorite writer.

  46. terry mccauliffe on wabc saying rendell was absolutely right about his assessment of the press.

    he said he’d never seen such atrocious treatment of a candidate by the press in 30 years.

  47. I think Bambi’s achilles Hill may be the abscence of a sense of humor.

    In a way, that actually makes me feel alittle sorry for him. It stems from a lack of self esteem and self identity. Been there, done that. But eventually, you have to recognize that, and get a grip, you know?

  48. Hannity talking to Tmac on the radio now
    talking about how Obama should be the one
    bringing unity to the party etc

    and now is talking about Bill Ayers with Tmac
    playing mc cains new ads over and over and over again 😀

    Tmac trying really hard to be a loyal dem but being very careful of his word choices, you can just tell he doesn’t believe his own spew LOL!

  49. THE CLIFF IS HERE. I HOPE YOU HAVE A PARASHOOT, AS IT IS A LONG DROP DOWN.

    None of the SDs can say they were not warned.

    The truth is, come November, there will be a house cleaning.

  50. admin Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    Harriet Christian was just on Neal Cavuto and she was wonderful. Hopefully her appearance was youtubed.

    ***

    I love harriet…… she should of been given a guest speaker spot at the :strike:”down right mean country convention/ bitter american convention”:/strike: DNC convention LOL!!

  51. New York Times Co. July revenue falls 10.1 percent (Dinosaur Media, well, you know…)

    New York Times Co. said Tuesday that its July revenue from continuing operations fell 10.1 percent this year as advertising revenue slipped 16.2 percent. Overall revenue dropped to $235.9 million in July from $262.3 million in July 2007, the publisher said.

  52. Idiot Dean’s latest craziness…
    —————–
    Dean: Obama will change message for general election

    Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Tuesday that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will unveil “a different message for a different audience” in the general election campaign, as opposed to the one he used to capture the Democratic presidential nomination.

    But he told a breakfast fundraiser for a fellow Vermont Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy, that Obama still has to rely on campaign workers knocking on doors and taking that message to prospective voters, just as they did during the primaries.

    “The message is different but not the mechanism,” the former governor and head of the Democratic National Committee said when asked by The Hill if he disagrees with some senior Democrats like Rep. John Dingell of Michigan who say Obama needs to campaign differently in the fall than he did in the primaries.

    “The same mechanism he used in the primaries will win in the general election,” Dean said. “Obviously, it’s a different audience. But he’s running an incredibly sophisticated campaign.”

    Earlier, Dean told some 150 lobbyists that Michelle Obama “hit a home run” with her speech to the convention Monday night.

  53. At lunch, we had a baby shower for another co-worker. Some people sitting next to me were quietly discussing the convention, and I heard the word “PUMA” come up. It was difficult to hear much over all the noise, but the comments were ridiculing the group. One person said, “Is Harriet going to be there?” So, even though, I didn’t hear the entire conversation, PUMA is spreading and people are talking about it. They seemed surprised that some PUMA members were not going to vote for “Barack.” They know, PUMA are Hillary supporters.

  54. Someone mentioned that BO’s achilles heel, is his lack of humor. That goes along with a narcissistic personality disorder. Arrogance is very unbecoming.

  55. Somebody up thread requested that someone blog live as he/she doesn’t have cable and dial up. I would suggest checking for audio only I know fox has a radio station and I am sure many of the other cable outlets do as well. Also local am talk radio stations may be casting it. And I think ABC/CBS/NBC are providing coverage starting at 10 so even with rabbit ears you’d be able to see some of it.
    Hope this helps. I’d try and blog for ya but tv and computer are in diff rooms.

  56. Nice article, Admin! “The good, the bad, the ugly” and the flakey.

    Wow – go Morning Joe! I’m off to write my note of support to him for striking out against the evil of fraud and hypocrisy. By the way, anyone note that one of the things for which he took David Shyster to the woodshed was missing work three days in a row? What a slacker.

    They’re probably all on edge because of low ratings for their candidate and their show.

  57. Just on hannity

    news organizations not sure which ones (i assume fox and AP for sure) were allowed into the daley library today to go over the 137 boxes of records from the (? name escapes me) fund that ayers and obama were on together!! ……let’s hope they (daley’s machine) missed some damning evidence in those 137 boxes!!

  58. WHOAH!!!!!!

    WTH got into Joe this morning?

    eVEN playmate mika couldn’t get a word in edgewise and shyster’s grin was so tight i thought his
    lips were gonna disappearinto his mouth!

  59. Oh, Idunn, I was really looking forward to the dreamy Portman! Bummer!

  60. kostner – interesting discussion ineed on McCain VP pick – looks like Cantor and Pawlenty are top choices…

    now, one question – they have no women in this group of journalists discussion VP pick. Though out of courtesy it seems some of the commentators bring up Palin, Fiorina as possible VP choices, and then, quickly reject them.

  61. henry, that was me 😀

    I will check out the radio, i listen to talk radio all day these days now LOL

    but if anyone could blog about hillary’s speach that would be good too ( that’s the only part i want to know about anyways )

  62. Idunn
    I would assume it will be after ten as that is when the major networks will be covering live. which gives the largest possible audiance. OOps never mind she will probably be speaking at 5 when noone is watching.

  63. and I should add – do ALL men forget the value of women voters? here we go – invisible again.

  64. diga
    check your local paper. somewhere near the tv listings is usually a posting of radio highlights. Or as you are already on the computer you could probably just check progamming info. Do you have a TV? If so like I said rabbit ears and your hometown station will have it starting at ten.

  65. Henry

    yes i have several tv’s, and dishnetwork
    but my dish was knocked out some technical
    glitch or something liket that, and since i live in the
    far out country ( nearest town is 15 miles away)
    they don’t service out here on a daily basis, i am not getting a service guy for a couple more days here Arrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh!!

    so i doubt rabit ears would work, besides i don’t own any LOL i have had dish for 15 + years

    i will try the radio and hope for enough comments here to cover her speach

    Thanks for the ideas etc 😀

  66. idunn
    I just checked listings for comcast. Cnn begins coverage of conv at 6 est. West coast is 3 hrs behind? So I would assume Hillary will not speak until after 10. they might want to bury her where no one is watching but I think they know that would grossly backfire. But then again. I find most of what they do completely lacking.

  67. good article on Media Matters: mediamatters.org/columns/200808260005

    Fact: Many in the press have portrayed Clinton’s planned convention address, as well as the fact that her name is being placed into nomination, as an unprecedented, heavy-handed power grab.

    Fact: It’s not. In years past, Democratic candidates who won lots of primaries and accumulated hundreds of delegates (sorry, Howard Dean and Bill Bradley) have always been allowed to address the convention and very often place their name into nomination. It’s the norm. It’s expected. It’s a formality.

    This newly manufactured media attack on Clinton is just the latest in a long line of press grenades thrown her way this year. But this time, she’s not the only victim, because the media’s concocted story line is being used to unfairly skewer Barack Obama, too.

    Consider New York magazine: “Obama Agrees to Roll-Call Vote for Clinton. Does That Make Him a Sissy?”

    What’s so startling in watching the coverage of the Clinton convention-speech story has been the complete ignorance displayed about how previous Democratic conventions have dealt with runners-up like Clinton. It’s either complete ignorance or the media’s strong desire to painstakingly avoid any historical context, which, in turn, allows the press to mislead news consumers into thinking Clinton’s appearance (as well as the gracious invitation extended by Obama) represents something unique and unusual. Something newsworthy.

    Based on previous conventions, if a candidate had accumulated as many delegates and votes as Clinton did during the primaries and then did not have her name placed into nomination, that would represent a radical departure from the convention norm. [snip]

    Actually, the real credit goes to CNN polling director Keating Holland (figures, he doesn’t work in the newsroom), who posted a lengthy analysis at CNN.com. Holland’s piece not only put Clinton’s role in Denver into historical perspective (“Overall, between 1972 and 1992, 10 Democratic candidates who lost the nomination in the primaries went on to have their names formally placed in nomination at the convention.”), it also pointed out that Clinton represents the only runner-up to speak at the convention who formally endorsed the party’s nominee months before the convention; i.e., all the others grudgingly held out on endorsing their rivals.

    But not Clinton. Yet she’s the one slimed by media venom.

  68. Mitt Romney just did a press conference and so idiot asked him how many homes he had.

    Mitt quick as lightening fired back “one less than John Kerry” and the place erupted in laughter.

  69. moon
    can we again call attention to the boat Kennedy was in when they feted him. That thing cost a pretty penny.

  70. Moon, then it’s probably going to be Mitt – that’s why he took the time to prepare a good answer to that question!

  71. OMFG!!!! Just on the radio

    Charlie Gibson says HRC and BHO agreed to do away with the roll call vote and nominate HIM by acclimation!!!!!!!!

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. Congressman Clyburn says trouble still exists within Democratic Party.
    Posted: Aug 26, 2008 01:04 PM PDT
    Updated: Aug 26, 2008 01:11 PM PDT

    By Marika Kelderman, Live 5 News

    CHARLESTON, SC (WCSC) – Congressman Jim Clyburn believes this new Democratic Party, led by Barack Obama, is poised to do great things for the country.

    “I think that what is about to happen here will in fact give credibility to what we were doing and will say to us that if we work hard enough and keep faith with the country, the country will in fact keep faith with us.”

    The House Majority Whip says at this historic convention he wants Obama, in his speech to the DNC to address hope and ideals but focus on substance; a national energy policy, healthcare and education.

    “I think that Barack Obama can, on Thursday night, draw a tremendous contrast between his view of the world going forward and McCain’s view,” Clyburn said.

    At the convention “unity” is a re-occurring theme but Congressman Clyburn says there is still work to be done within the party. The mending of tears left over from the primaries.

    ,b.”I have been told at least one South Carolina delegate, who happens to be African American, says he is still going to vote for Hillary Clinton even though Senator Clinton has made it very clear to all her delegates to please feel free to cast your vote for Barack Obama.”,/b.

    Clyburn hopes such issues can be hashed out at the convention has Democrats throw their push for the White House into high gear.

    Congressman Clyburn will address the convention on Wednesday. He says his remarks will center on the theme of national security and that he plans to highlight the military service of Barack Obama’s grandfather during World War II, who joined the day after Pearl Harbor and served in General Patton’s Army.

    http://www.live5news.com/global/story.asp?s=8903605&ClientType=Printable

  73. thanks IU

    Henry…… no need to borrow Idunn’s ,I have my own tin foil hat…..hubby makes fun of it all the time LOL

  74. I hope that is not true. What more can they do to divide the party? This is not unity, it is divisiveness, and everyone will know what a sham it is.

    Clyburn is very full of himself.

  75. Front page of WaPo right now… pics of Hillary and Chelsea, checking out the stage, getting ready. They both look hot!

  76. I can only speak for me, but Hillary allowing a vote by acclimation has the opposite effect of moving me towards Obama. It says to me not only do they not respect her they do not respect my vote. I got a call last week from the McCain camp asking me to volunteer I asked them to ring me back after the convention. If its true I will call them. Hill has to do what is right for her and so do I. McCain 08.

  77. I doubt Gibson would say so if it wasn’t so

    I am already pissed!!!!!

    Things are going to get really nasty in denverr

  78. The GOP are making it very difficult for some of us to vote McCain’s way. Strengthening their anti-choice stance might be the deal breaker for a lot of women (and men) who are still on the fence as to whether to vote for McCain.

    What idiot decided that this was the good time to announce their hard line position?

  79. CHARLESTON, SC (WCSC) – Congressman Jim Clyburn believes this new Democratic Party, led by Barack Obama, is poised to do great things for the country.
    ——————————————–
    he also believes in the tooth fairy

  80. Rendell Compares Obama to Adlai Stevenson
    By Jonathan Weisman

    DENVER — Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell captured the jitters of the Democratic Party today when he conceded that for all Barack Obama’s gifts, “he’s not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with” and urged the presumptive nominee to start punching back against Republican attacks.

    In a wide ranging interview, Rendell insisted that while Obama still has not won over perhaps 30 percent of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s voters, he will have locked down 95 percent of them by midnight tonight, after Clinton speaks to the Democratic National Convention here. But Rendell, a strong Clinton supporter during the primaries, made it clear he thinks Obama still has work to do with the white, working class voters who backed her.

    “With people who have a lot of gifts, it’s hard for people to identify with them,” the governor said. “Barack Obama is handsome. He’s incredibly bright. He’s incredibly well spoken, and he’s incredibly successful — not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with.”

    For a politician cut from a rougher cloth, Rendell may have offered a back-handed compliment when he compared Obama to Adlai Stevenson, the failed Democratic candidate from the 1950s who captured the imagination of American intellectuals but not the electorate at large.

    “He is a little like Adlai Stevenson,” Rendell mused. “You ask him a question, and he gives you a six-minute answer. And the six-minute answer is smart as all get out. It’s intellectual. It’s well framed. It takes care of all the contingencies. But it’s a lousy soundbite.”

    “We’ve got to start smacking back in short understandable bites,” he said, noting “Everybody is nervous as all get out. Everybody says we ought to be ahead by 10, 15 points. What the heck is going on?”

    For all that worry, Rendell’s prognosis for Obama is good, at least in his crucial state. The addition of Scranton-born Joe Biden to the Democratic ticket probably pads Obama’s thin lead by two percentage points, Rendell said, and the economy will ultimately persuade people to look beyond personality, background and race to focus on policy. Obama needs to make his economic proposals more understandable, and to show some real anger, especially about issues like the United States financing Iraq’s reconstruction while the Iraqi government holds an oil-fueled government surplus.

    “What I think most people are waiting for — and as soon as they see it, I think it’s over — they’re waiting to see that he’s angry about that stuff, too. Not just that he thinks it’s wrong intellectually — that he’s angry,” Rendell advised.

    In the end, though, “When times are hard, people care about one thing, one color — green,” he concluded. “That’s all there is.”

    voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/26/rendell_compares_obama_to_adla.html?hpid=topnews

  81. Those who do not believe in the tooth fairy find it ironic that bambi’s numbers are dropping during his own convention. What does that tell you? That Barack Obama is poised to do great things? Or look out chicken little the skys falling in. If McCain announces his vp pick shortly before the roman orgy at Investco Field the bump he will get from this convention will be muted.

  82. filbertsf
    I have talked to several attorneys and all claim that overturning r v w
    would be almost impossible. It is based on right to privacy which the courts have over the last several decades upheld. A strict constitutionalist would say that there is no right to privacy in the cons. but they are still bound by precedent and common law(same thing?). Limitations? Perhaps? I am not an attorney. Where is Okie when we need her.

  83. I can’t believe that they’re doing away with the roll-call vote! Very disrespectful. I’m sure that BO wheedled and wheedled – I hope she got something good out of it – not that he would ever follow through.

    Barack Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies…… you know the refrain.

    PUMA!

  84. “We’ve got to start smacking back in short understandable bites,” he said, noting “Everybody is nervous as all get out. Everybody says we ought to be ahead by 10, 15 points. What the heck is going on?”
    ——

    This is what happens when college kids load onto buses and game the caucus system. We’ve got an egghead professor as a candidate. Those guys don’t win general elections.
    *sigh *

  85. Unity quote:

    If we divine a discrepancy between a man’s words and his character, the whole impression of him becomes broken and painful; he revolts the imagination by his lack of unity, and even the good in him is hardly accepted.

    Author: Charles Horton Cooley

  86. roe vs wade will not be overturned. During the past years, there have been enough votes to overturn it, but it hasn’t happened. it is a scare tactic. if by some chance, it is overturned, the decision will revert to the states. it doesn’t worry me. Bo is a danger to this country, which concerns me more. Just look how this convention is going. All dissent is being stomped out. If he gets in, there will be more of it.

  87. Lets face it, from what i see off Obama, he’s more of a threat to all ways of life not just roe vs Wade.

    Any of you seen V for Vendetta or 1984.

  88. Since the Democrats are embracing “people of faith” I like to post this quote.

    False in one respect, never trustworthy.

    Author: Proverb
    Topic: Proverbs

  89. Runnin’ Skeert: Three “Wise” Men?

    Seems that the Obam-adoration Society of Liberal columnists have gotten a bit down in the mouth recently. Here are three well-known columnists tipping their hand that they know Obama’s odds are getting longer by the day: (Translation: He will NOT win in November).

    1. Bob Herbert in today’s Times, “The Dog that isn’t Barking (Risks in the Shadows for the Obama Campaign)”, willingly acknowledges that Obama appears to have some real concerns. Of course, Herbert attributes Obama’s potential problems as that of quiet racism, maybe not cross-burning, but who have “a real problem with the candidate”. Of course, it could’t be that their real problem isn’t his skin color, but the lack of depth, lack of candor, lack of humility, and lack of experience.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/opinion/26herbert.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    We can rip into that one in more detail later.

    2. Then there’s Frank Rich, quietly fretting in the corner. Poor man has worn himself silly trying to tear down McCain, after expending a full year tearing down Hillary, and puffing up O-man. For how much this column must take out of him, he should be happy he only has to cough it up once a week, on Sunday’s. His most recent column, “Last Call for Change We Can Believe In”, finds Mr. Rich hoping that Obama rebrand himself as a populist.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24rich.html

    I suppose Rich wants Obama to channel his inner Hillary. Rich mentions one interesting thing:

    As David Leonhardt observes in his New York Times Magazine cover article on “Obamanomics” today, Obama’s real problem is not a lack of detail but his inability to sell policy with “an effective story.”

    And Rich mentions a complete fallacy:

    What Obama also should have learned by now is that the press is not his friend. Of course, he gets more ink and airtime than McCain; he’s sexier news. But as George Mason University’s Center for Media and Public Affairs documented in its study of six weeks of TV news reports this summer, Obama’s coverage was 28 percent positive, 72 percent negative.
    &&&&

    Oh, puhlease.

    3. Finally, Eugene Robinson today in the WashPost advises Dems to stop worrying, to “snap out of it”, “declare a moratorium on second-guessing, and go shake some hands and kiss some babies”. Obviously, we DON’T HAVE A VASTLY FLAWED CANDIDATE…No, it’s just a matter of lack of self-confidence.

    Kiss babies??? Shake hands?

    Got news for ya, Eugene Baby:

    We *are* confident.
    We *are* Democrats.
    We do not recognize the illegitimate candidate.
    We are going to clean house, starting by making sure that the Illegitimate One loses badly.

  90. Gallup Poll – Election News
    Hillary’s Stock Still High Among Democrats NEW August 26, 2008

    Hillary Clinton remains a highly popular figure among Democrats, with an 80% favorable rating. Three in four Democrats would like to see her run for president again and be a major-party spokesperson over the next four years.

    ——————————-

    MCCAIN 46% – OBAMA 44%

  91. And let’s not forget an old favorite:
    “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”
    –Proverbs 16:18

  92. Idiot Quote of the Century

    “My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” – Barack Obama

  93. A twofer:

    Small endeavours obtain strength by unity of action: the most powerful are broken down by discord.

    Author:
    Topic: Proverbs
    Source: None

    He who steals once is never trusty.

    Author: Proverb
    Topic: Proverbs

  94. “My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” – Barack Obama

    Where did you find that? I need a link!

  95. djia Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    OMFG!!!! Just on the radio

    Charlie Gibson says HRC and BHO agreed to do away with the roll call vote and nominate HIM by acclimation!!!!!!!!
    &&&&&&

    THEY (whomever that is) keep saying that it’s up to Hillary to unite the party behind O-man. Um, if he’s Our Leader, who will lead Democrats into certain victory this November, then shouldn’t he be in charge of leadership and unification.

    And if he thinks ripping out the roll-call is a step in the right direction toward unity, he’ll find out extremely quickly that it will backfire.

    I am convinced that he is so scared that SDs would suddenly turn on him, that this must be prevented. If it was just a matter of the roll-call being a means of showing him up, he should get over it.

    But he won’t, he’ll act petulant. And there will be even MORE discord after the convention.

    He could very easily get a “pothole” instead of a “bump” after the convention. I’ll stick my neck out just a little, and predict he’ll lose two points.

  96. August 26th, 2008 at 5:40 pm marie3548 Says:

    Hillary’s Stock Still High Among Democrats NEW August 26, 2008

    Hillary Clinton remains a highly popular figure among Democrats, with an 80% favorable rating. Three in four Democrats would like to see her run for president again and be a major-party spokesperson over the next four years.

    * * * * *
    Doesn’t this mean that 3 of 4 dems more or less ASSUME that BO will lose? Or, do they expect her to sit around for 8 years waiting to run for prez again?

  97. wolfson on fox-says clinton camp no longer negotiating w/ obama camp anymore. may or may not be rollcall. wolfosn seemed very pissed and said it s obama’s now

  98. That Obama quote is actually a spoof. He never said it.

    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2M5NTgwNDhkZTJmYWQ1MDcwNjEzOGE0Y2ZhNzc3NzQ=

  99. # carbynew Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back of an ass.

    Author: Proverb
    Topic: Proverbs
    &&&&&

    Carby, excellent quotes.

    Are these coming from fortune cookies?? Do they make a spicy shrimp lo-mein?

  100. Women need to STAND UP and FIGHT:

    Don’t trust your bone to another man’s dog.

    Author: Proverb
    Topic: Proverbs

  101. wolfson on fox-says clinton camp no longer negotiating w/ obama camp anymore. may or may not be rollcall. wolfosn seemed very pissed and said it s obama’s now

    Wait…we need more details here. What does no longer negotiating mean? Not negotiating about anything at all? Just the roll call? Explain please.

  102. You know, a fully formed adult politician with some confidence in his real ability to bring people together would have stood tall and said, “sure, we’ll let the chips fall where they may at the convention. If I’m not doing well, it will reflect in the delegate vote. But, it’s more important that our candidate has the support to win in November and all votes must be counted!”

    Who assigned these yahoos to run the un-DNC in the first place?

  103. It will probably be Romney, so they can set him up to go against Clinton in 2012. She will eat him alive! LOL!! One thing I know for sure is that Bambi is going down.

    I love Gloria Alred, she is not somebody that the bots need to be pist!! She will take them to court and stomp their butts.
    If anything illegal is going on amongst the delegates take it to Gloria as soon as possible. She will be force to be reckoned with!

  104. just aught that part. im sure others here can help fill in. the clinons have been tryign to negotatiate a honorable rollcall but the obamas dont want it etc.. there must be realprotests in denver if such action is taken i think

  105. Obama Treating Half the Party Like Rodney Dangerfield:
    &&&&

    # texan4hillary Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    wolfson on fox-says clinton camp no longer negotiating w/ obama camp anymore. may or may not be rollcall. wolfosn seemed very pissed and said it s obama’s now

    &&&&&&

    The Hillary backers have been biting their lips and playing nice and giving air kisses, but get nothing back (e.g. little help w/ Hillary’s debt), including No Respect. Forced to give the hostage video, “I am being treated well by my captors” routine, include: Hillary, Bill, all her inner team, Rendell, and the list goes on.

    So we have to overt rebellion by us and the folks outside in Denver and all across The InterWeb, and the covert, read-between-the-lines rebellion by those on the inside.

    If Obama can’t win over 30%ish of the Dems, tell me how in the heck does he intend to put together an electoral college victory (let alone a popular vote win)???

  106. Twofer again:

    False in one respect, never trustworthy.

    Author: Proverb
    Topic: Proverbs

    Nothing in the world is more haughty than a man of moderate capacity when once raised to power.

    Author: Baron Wessenberg
    Topic: arrogance

  107. carbynew Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Women need to STAND UP and FIGHT:

    Don’t trust your bone to another man’s dog.
    &&&&
    Um, I don’t trust any dog with my “bone”. I mean, those jaws, those teeth…

  108. By the way, I thought that BO was all excited about having Wyoming put him over the top? 🙂

  109. CountTheVotes,

    Those redstaters are conservative pundits, they’re no friends to women…

    Cantor is a horrible wingnut type, I doubt McCain would be that stupid.

    My money is on Pawnleny…

    I prefer Sarah Palin, but she’s a bit too experienced, although MORE experienced than bambi if you count the days they have a real job….

  110. Obama/Biden08

    He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
    Author: George Eliot
    Topic: arrogance

  111. Okay…I stepped away from the computer to start dinner. When I left the news was that there would be no roll call. Now it’s back on? Is that right?

  112. The real sign of an organizations ability to survive is to be able to change, especially when faced with extinction.

    Something is the matter with the DNC. It looks like a bunch of bullies saying, dam it, I told them the way it would be.

  113. LOL, Illinois! Yeah, what happened to all those Red states that were going to fall down in awe of all the Hopey Changiness?

  114. Doesn’t this says it all?

    The difference between a boss and a leader: a boss says, ‘Go!’ -a leader says, ‘Let’s go!’.

    Author: E. M. Kelly
    Topic: Leadership

    Obama is a Boss.

  115. Why McCain?

    Leadership is an action, not a position.

    Author: Donald H. McGannon
    Topic: Leadership

    Obama vacations

  116. Edgy Dems await Clinton
    By NEDRA PICKLER – 37 minutes ago

    DENVER (AP) — Already defeated and now confused, delegates supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton pleaded Tuesday to know whether they’ll be allowed to cast roll call votes and demonstrate on the Democratic convention floor in her favor.

    “Just tell me what you want me to do,” Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said, throwing up his hands and rolling his eyes in an Associated Press interview.

    The confusion stems from a tentative deal between the Obama and Clinton camps that would allow some states to cast votes in a roll call before somebody — possibly Clinton herself — cuts short the tally and asks the convention to nominate Obama by unanimous consent. Clinton fueled confusion by refusing to publicly instruct her delegates how to vote, though she said she’ll back Obama when the time comes.

    Clinton backers said that while the process is in one respect meaningless — Obama is assured of the nomination — the tense negotiations over convention stagecraft are an important signal of whether Obama respects them and their favored candidate.

    Party leaders said they fear a nationally televised floor demonstration that would underscore party divisions.

    “It seems to be a little more of a problem than I anticipated,” former Democratic Party chairman Don Fowler told The AP. “All you need is 200 people in that crowd to boo and stuff like that and it will be replayed 900 times. And that’s not what you want out of this.”

    The hand-wringing played out as Clinton paid a morning visit to the Pepsi Center with daughter Chelsea to check out the podium where she was to deliver her evening speech.

    Clinton offered a preview of her convention speech at an afternoon event for Emily’s List, a group that supports women candidates.

    “We need in the White House starting on January 20th Barack Obama and Joe Biden,” she said.

    And she took a couple of hard jabs at her Senate friend and colleague, Republican John McCain.

    McCain, she said, “still doesn’t believe that women deserve equal pay for equal work,” drawing a chorus of boos from the 2,500-person auditorium.

    “He doesn’t believe that women deserve the right to choose,” she said. “He would turn the clock back when what we need from our president is forward movement, more progress, the kind of opportunities that we expect for the next generation of Americans.”

    Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen encouraged Clinton to use her speech to give Obama a full-throated endorsement.

    “What Obama has to have Hillary do is stand up and say — not only in words but it’s got to be almost method acting — and say it in a way that’s believable that she wants Barack Obama to be president,” Bredesen told The AP. A classy backing “frankly goes toward any future political considerations she may have.”

    Still, Bredesen said Democrats shouldn’t be overly concerned about floor demonstrations. It’s part of the healing. “If there’s some hard feelings,” he said, “let it show a little bit.”

    Even some of Clinton’s most loyal allies — New York Democrats — are increasingly frustrated by the silence from her and her advisers on how to proceed. New York delegates would likely play a key role in the roll call salute to Clinton but they still have no idea what it is they are supposed to do, according to several Democrats who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are supposed to be publicly backing Clinton.

    Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzTpjgPr6R1x9bjvWgnoeb0pWGBQD92Q7BDG0

  117. I wonder if Obama is violating some arcane DNC bylaws by preventing a true roll call vote? Has ANY Democratic convention ever NOT had a roll call vote? I think this is a big chess match, and Hillary’s thinking a couple moves ahead….

  118. H4T – Don’t know…. tonight’s agenda includes two Repubs, see below.

    BTW, does anyone beside me think that the lineup tonight is ridiculously long? Hillary is WAY at the very end. Let me know if you want the text posted.

    Jim Whitaker
    Republican Mayor of Fairbanks, Alaska
    Pamela Cash-Roper
    Unemployed nurse and lifelong Republican from North Carolina

    http://www.demconvention.com/tuesday-schedule/

  119. True leadership must be for the benefit of the followers not the enrichment of the leaders.

    Author: Robert Townsend
    Topic: followers

    Rezko anyone?

    Mansion vs Slums

  120. I have decided the democrats should be renamed the the Dumocrats. They have a winner and they are making her sit at the back of the line along with her supporters.

    So now we know they are scared of an all out brawl on the convention floor. I think that would be great, just to show how Dean, Pooplosi, and Brazille have screwed this year up by putting a inexperienced, militand, race baiting nominee. Something big needs to happen either tonight or tomorrow night so the NEVER happens again!!

  121. Henry- I dont see it being overturned. That is a pretty standard question at confirmation hearings and I do not recall any candidate saying he would overturn. If my recollection is accurate heis how it looks now. (Stevens will retire soon)
    Roberts0
    Scalia-
    Ginzberg; +
    Souter:+
    Kennedy:+
    Breyer”+
    Thomas-
    Alito 0
    Stevens+

    The only two potential activists I can see on this issue are scalia and thomas. Alito and Roberts are both Catholics but they were asked about it and said they would not overturn.

    McCain is pro-choice as I recall. But even if he were not appoint someone who would overturn Roe vs Wade. And if he did the senate would not confirm. We saw this with Hainsworth and Carlswell during Nixon, Bork during Reagan–on other issues.

    I havent looked at this stuff for 35 years but there was a case in the 60s called Griswold vs Connecticut and as I recall that was the one which established the right of privacy under the ninth amendment. It was probably one of the cases Justice Powell relied on in Roe vs Wade.

    Bottom line: dont believe someone who tells you if you vote for mccain he will overturn roe vs wade. It is bullshit.

  122. Berkeley – I agree, there HAS to be some kind of parlimentary move available.

    Perhaps their negotiations broke down when like the guy quoted in article about, Stinky said, “— and say it in a way that’s believable” and Hillary replied, “ummmm….. specify goals for compliance, please.”

  123. wbboei: I agree that it is BS, however, McCain is running on a pro-life platform but “he respects other points of view.” People will hear what they want from that. I read “status quo.”

  124. I think I might change my speech tonight if he reneges on the roll call. I think if I were a delegate I just might walk out. But that is just me. Wait until this son of a bitch sits down across from putin

    10, 9, 8, 7, 6………….(mushroom cloud)

  125. McCain is no damn zealot over abortion. I would bet my bottom dollar that McCain could give a hoot about abortion, and is fine with leaving things as they are. He mouths the words, because the evangelicals in his party would give him shit if he didn’t. McCain has no intention of doing SQUAT to abortion rights.

  126. BTW, if you guys have not been reading riverdaughter’s blog (she used to be Goldberry over on DailyKos before she left), you should. She is in Denver, as are many PUMAs, and are posting regular updates about the protests and such.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

  127. Thanks H4T for the reminder to read Riverdaughter. I especially liked her call to the PUMAs:
    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/puma-power/

  128. Paula

    this is a repost. Sorry I wasn’t paying attention when admin launched a new article
    ——————-

    Paula,

    I don’t think BO ’snubbed” Hilliary…but I’m beginning to think he would rather we see his behavior as a snub, rather than see it for what it really is – the desperate act of a man who is scared to death of any real rivals, and pushes those rivals and other threats as far away from himself and his family as he possibly can.

    And his political puppet master, axlegrease has the same gut-wrenching fear.

    What they don’t know that we know, is that their primal fear is doubled in intensity when the rival is a woman.

    Because much of society has made it ok however, to belittle women, they can do that, in public, without much criticism, and with even a little help, from a male dominated society and their insecure girlfriends…see Chris Matthews for a prime example, or Jack Cafferty…Andrea M Greenspan is a “girlfriend” type.

    Why, the women who inhabit this board and other sites we like make them shudder with fear just when we walk into a room where these sorry excuses for testosterone containers are beating their chests.

  129. Enjay

    You are right about who inhibits this board. When I walk into any foreign situation, or room, I immediately make my opinion know on this matter.

    My car has the HRC sitckers on it, and they better just try to ask me to take them off. I might add MaCain sticker to it.

    No Legitimate Roll Call, No Mercy.

  130. “He could very easily get a “pothole” instead of a “bump” after the convention. I’ll stick my neck out just a little, and predict he’ll lose two points.”

    Exactly! C’mon Obamawanabe, keep denying Hillary supporters their rights! Keep showing what a loser you really are. Keep proving that the only way you can win is to cheat and lie!

    LOL…it’s a winning combination that will drop you in the polls like nothing else!

    So carry on with business Obama! 🙂

  131. “No Legitimate Roll Call, No Mercy.”
    PUMA POWER!!!!
    Gotta go now… I’ll check in later. Enjoy the show!

  132. TriciaNC // August 26, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    IMPORTANT!

    Phillip Berg, the man that filed the court papers regarding *61 not being a natural born citizen says he has within the last hour received confirmation that *61 was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro and was an Indonesian citizen. He also has confirmation, *61 used the Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan in 1981.

    There is no record he revoked that citizenship and swore oath to this country.

    Says he wants us to get ahold of any delgates to make *61 face this and step down ASAP before he is nominated.

    Says also believes (although he has yet to receive full disclosure of all case law…is working on it) he may not even be eligible to be a US Senator.

    Says he is 99.99% sure.

    He says Repubs have this info but probably will not do anything until he is nominated.

  133. TriciaNC August 26, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    IMPORTANT!

    Phillip Berg, the man that filed the court papers regarding *61 not being a natural born citizen says he has within the last hour received confirmation that *61 was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro and was an Indonesian citizen. He also has confirmation, *61 used the Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan in 1981.

    There is no record he revoked that citizenship and swore oath to this country.

    Says he wants us to get ahold of any delgates to make *61 face this and step down ASAP before he is nominated.

    Says also believes (although he has yet to receive full disclosure of all case law…is working on it) he may not even be eligible to be a US Senator.

    Says he is 99.99% sure.

    He says Repubs have this info but probably will not do anything until he is nominated.

  134. Even if that’s true, I’m not sure the US recognizes dual citizenship. Or if that’s even a legal reason to be considered ineligible for POTUS. The constitution says nothing at all about dual citizenship that I can find.

  135. LOL! From a poster watching the convention:

    Donna looks like someone shit in her Easter Basket.

  136. Don’t forget, guys, 13 states have election laws stating that the delegates MUST vote the way the voters indicated in their state. California is one of them. If the DNC tells those delegates for Hillary that they have to vote Bambi, they are VIOLATING STATE ELECTION LAWS.

  137. dual citizenship is murky waters but would be worthy of court challenge-also would destroy him. no one will vote for someone for potus who has dual citizneship

  138. Arizona, California, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia.

    If you live in one of these states, and the delegates do NOT vote as they were apportioned by the voters, CALL YOUR STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. It is ILLEGAL.

  139. When My child was born overseas, they were automatically a German citizen and they allowed dual citizenship. I was told at that time American born did not have dual citizenship, so if you were born in the US and decided to be French also, the American citizenship has to be terminated.

    However, that law could have changed as it was many years ago

    I think in the past that many people living in American stay with their own country, because the did not want to give up the citizenship of the first country.

    It may not be in the constitution, but I believe this to be fact during a certain timeframe (I don’t know what timeframe). The question is did it change.

  140. August 19, 2008

    Edmund G. Brown, Jr., Attorney General
    Attorney General’s Office
    Department of Justice
    1300 I St. Suite 1740
    Sacramento, CA 95814
    VIA FAX: 916.323.5341

    SUBJECT: Solicitation to Violate California Elections Code §6461, regarding pledged delegates to party convention

    Dear Attorney General Brown:

    Here in California, obeying the above-cited law means that pledged delegates selected as the result of votes cast for Senator Clinton in the Presidential primary election must vote for her during first-round balloting at the nominating convention of the Democratic Party. But in what can at best be interpreted as an overzealous advocacy on behalf of Senator Obama, in states throughout the country, including California, proponents for his nomination have bombarded Senator Clinton’s delegates with subtle and not-so-subtle pressures to commit to switching support to him, before the convention. Or, failing that, they replace the Clinton-pledged delegate with one loyal to Obama. See examples below. Note that while the first link shows the copy of a letter Senator Obama’s campaign sent to pledged delegates in Georgia, they distributed this same letter to delegates in all states. And Georgia, like California, mandates pledged delegates to follow their candidates into the convention.)

    Therefore, in California (and Georgia, and New Hampshire, and Indiana, and numerous other states), encouraging delegates entrusted with representing the political preference of Clinton voters to pledge their support before the convention to Obama solicits these delegates to break the law. As a concerned citizen of California, I am bringing this matter to your immediate attention, anticipating you will take appropriate action to ensure that from now on, any campaigning in this state related to the upcoming Democratic National Convention is consistent with California laws.

    Sincerely,

    References: “Bearing Witness” (posting of letter from Khalil Thompson, Obama for America, Chicago) heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html
    Clinton supporters protesting removal of delegate at Democratic National Convention http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/WHAS11_POLITICS_080814_CLINTONOBAMA.486a4d97.html

    “Explain, Dems tell Clinton delegate” (article on state party efforts to discipline Colorado delegate for Clinton for refusing to switch to Obama)
    http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10170139

    Copy: Debra Bowen, Secretary of State
    VIA FAX: 916. 653.4795

    Senator Art Torres, (Ret.), Chairman, California Democratic Party
    chairman@cadem.org

  141. Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen encouraged Clinton to use her speech to give Obama a full-throated endorsement.

    “What Obama has to have Hillary do is stand up and say — not only in words but it’s got to be almost method acting — and say it in a way that’s believable that she wants Barack Obama to be president,” Bredesen told The AP. A classy backing “frankly goes toward any future political considerations she may have.”
    &&&&&&&&&

    There’s no limit to what people, Dem “leadership”, MSM, etc., expect out of Hillary. No matter what she says or how she’ll say it, folks will gripe that, “Her heart didn’t seem in it” (see the NYTimes article regarding Florida fence-sitting Dems from 8/25), and that when Obama loses, “It was Hillary’s fault because SHE didn’t unite the Dems behind Obama”.

    Guess what. Idiotic arguments like that will be laughed at. Obama is going to have to take the hit for a) rushing into being a presidential nominee before he was seasoned enough to win b) creating a race war in the Democratic Party, c) ____ (fill in your gripe about this guy here).

  142. Illinois Underground (formerly Informed) Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
    You know, a fully formed adult politician with some confidence in his real ability to bring people together would have stood tall and said, “sure, we’ll let the chips fall where they may at the convention. If I’m not doing well, it will reflect in the delegate vote. But, it’s more important that our candidate has the support to win in November and all votes must be counted!”

    Who assigned these yahoos to run the un-DNC in the first place?

    *******************************************

    Illinois Underground…they know they are on shaky ground…

    …their house of cards is getting ready to collapse and they want to keep the illuision going for as long as they can…

    The DNC and Obama camp thought they could force thru a REVOLUTION in the Democratic party and the base would go along…

    …they did not realize that while people want change…they did not want a takeover and REVOLUTION in the Democratic party…and they did not want the Clintons vanquished to the sidelines…

    …the support is not there for O…no matter how hard they try to force it and make delegates fall into line…

    …the regular people out here in the real world are not going to vote for him…

    ************************************

    Guiliani on tv now the Dems made a big mistake in their choice…

    a ‘no brainer’ hillary was the best choice…there is no explanation for why Obama passed her over…Guiliani says Obama doesn’t have to explain it to me…he has to explain it to a lot of Democrats…he is at the convention now and says there are a lot of Democrats that do not understand what Obama is doing

  143. basil9 Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    i’ve seen bo referred to as 61.
    &&&

    Isn’t that the number of states in the Union that Obama believes there are?

    “I was born in the 61st state, Indonesia…”.

  144. A classy backing “frankly goes toward any future political considerations she may have.”

    SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT.

  145. NewMexicoFan Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    My car has the HRC sitckers on it, and they better just try to ask me to take them off. I might add MaCain sticker to it.
    &&&&&&

    I still have both my HRC yard signs up. Why would I take them down? I am proud of her, and proud to display the signs. It’s basically saying, “Don’t blame me, I supported Clinton”.

    The signs WILL still be up come New Years!

  146. Maybe we should turn that around.

    A classy endorsement by O to Hillary will go a long why to any future political consideration for him.

    The person who is failing here is O. They act as though HRC has to threaten her followers or else.

    He has absolutely no clue about how to handle this situation. If he has perceived this so poorly, imagine what harm he can do internationally.

  147. I guess I am very verbose tonight.

    So what excuse will they have if he does not get a bump from the convention. Of course they will probably say any bump is a big victory.

    OH I FORGOT, THEY ARE ONLY POLLING REPS THAT IS WHY THE POLLS ARE SO BAD.

  148. Did I just hear Luke Russert on MSNBC right? He was talking about Obama being the first AA president and said that young people can stomach it more than older people…..

  149. djia

    This was a complimentary note I wrote to ShortTermer earlier…maybe we can woo him/her with this, virtual champaign and Cadbury chocolates
    ——————————–

    ShortTermer

    I want to thank you for the contemporaneous transcriptions you give us while watching interviews or speeches we cannot see or hear.

    Last night you did amazing work…several times.

    I am in awe of yur skill.

  150. Charlie Wilson’s Slip
    Posted by BLAKE DVORAK

    Former Texas Rep. Charlie Wilson — yes, that Charlie Wilson — was speaking at an anti-war rally when he, um, flubbed a line:

    “We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
    How does that Southwest commercial go? Want to get away?

    time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/charlie_wilsons_slip.html

    hahahahha

  151. 61 Freakin’ states! Admin, remember that first debate when I said they needed to get Obama a geography tudor. Looks like they passed on that suggestion.

  152. they are takin’ the commemorative photo. I hope somebody turns around and drops their drawers.

  153. skm:

    SUBJECT: Solicitation to Violate California Elections Code §6461, regarding pledged delegates to party convention

  154. If Obama was for choice, then he would have no qualms regarding the roll call vote. In public and with full transparency.
    He is not about choice or free will.

    His achilles heel is his NPD, complete with his reactive behaviors and inability to tolerate dissent.
    He can be played. poor little bambi.

  155. “We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
    ——————————————–
    Sorry Charlie

    You got it right the first time

    Osama bin biden barakamerica

  156. No matter what Hillary says or does, when Obama loses they will blame Hillary for not doing enough. Funny how for years everyone says that the VP choice has no real effect come election day and yet those same people will balme Hillary on November 5th.

  157. News flash: Democrats inadvertently discover new form of torture: DVD of Demo Convention Throws Waterboarding Out the Window

  158. To paraphrase Dorothy Parker late of the Algonquin Roundtable circa 1927

    I would love to be on a burning ship at midnite

    I woudl love to have my tonsils out with no novocaine

    I would love to watch and listen to fucking Stennie Hoywer at the dnc

  159. rjk,

    you know what?
    if hillary would have stayed on, we wouldnt be
    having this problem…

    if she would have fought, we could have pulled this out…

    we are where, we are now, cause we blinked first.

  160. Lanny Davis on Fox just said Hillary’s speech will be on “issues”. About how issues unite us and that Democratic issues are different than Republican issues. It doesn’t sound like she is going to say vote for Obama like some were hoping.

    Did anyone else see this interview? I missed part of it…

    Also, what did Karl Rove have to say?

  161. Good lord people, I’ll never say anything bad about the Oscars again. Imagine the worst Academy Awards show ever … and every other sentece say “Barack Obama” and it goes on and on and on and on and on and on…….

  162. Charlie Wilson’s Slip
    Posted by BLAKE DVORAK

    Former Texas Rep. Charlie Wilson — yes, that Charlie Wilson — was speaking at an anti-war rally when he, um, flubbed a line:

    “We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
    How does that Southwest commercial go? Want to get away?

    time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/charlie_wilsons_slip.html

  163. wb: Dontcha wish Dorothy was here right now? My favorite line said by D. Parker (in the film Julia) is “Way down deep they’re superficial.”

  164. BTW, I found it a stretch to believe Bill was undermining Obama in that video clip. Sounds like people are trying to smear him again.

  165. WBBOEI,

    “Keep seeing this term “full throated” endorsement

    To me that means “barf”

    hmmmmm

    ‘COME’ to think of it, thats alot to ‘SWALLOW’… 🙄

  166. SKMF12

    I understand that feeling, but she fought long and hard.

    At this point, it is beyond HRC. It is what happen during the primaries words and fraud, how she won the primary and they continue to say he won the nomination (what kind of IQ due these media people have), how they forced her out, how they did not extend their hand, how they have bullied people, how they demand we fold in.

    HRC fought all she could. But this is about our Democracy, and how the Dems think it is OK to scream at the Reps in 2000, and then go out and really strip us of our Democracy in 2008.

    I will not sit down and shut up, and this is my fight, not HRCs fight.

    I WON MY VOTE.

  167. Paula, People been smearin’ and tryin’ to destroy Bill and Hill so long it’s not even funny. They are like the rocks at Stonehendge. It must get damn tryin’ and tirin’ though and I feel for them both and appreciate what they’ve done for all of us and this country

  168. new mexico,

    yeah, its easy to tell i’m mad at hillary…
    i dig the shit out of her, but i am disappointed.
    i have mixed feelings about, the woman who
    would be president caving in…

    but we have no choice but to fight on.

  169. Emjay Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
    djia

    This was a complimentary note I wrote to ShortTermer earlier…maybe we can woo him/her with this, virtual champaign and Cadbury chocolates
    ——————————–

    DITTO 😀

  170. For as long as Obama won’t share his donor list to help Hillary retire her debt, then this will continue:

    —————

    August 27, 2008
    Some Clinton Fund-Raisers Are Still Simmering
    By MICHAEL LUO and GRIFF PALMER
    nytimes.com

    DENVER — A significant number of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top fund-raisers remain on the sidelines and unwilling to work for Senator Barack Obama, a nettlesome problem that appears to be contributing to the campaign’s failure to keep pace with ambitious fund-raising goals it set out for the general election.

    Even as Mrs. Clinton prepared for her moment in the spotlight on Tuesday night, with a speech expected to offer a strong embrace of the nominee, the lingering rancor between the two sides appears to have intensified with the convention this week, with grousing from some Clinton fund-raisers about the way they are being treated here by the Obama campaign in terms of hotel rooms, convention credentials and the like.

    Tensions were already running high going into convention week, particularly in the aftermath of disclosures that Mr. Obama did not vet Mrs. Clinton or ask her advice on his vice presidential pick.

    Many major Clinton fund-raisers skipped the convention; others are leaving Wednesday, before Mr. Obama’s speech.

    More broadly, a consensus appears to have emerged among many major Clinton donors that the Obama campaign did not do enough to enlist their support, according to interviews with more than a half-dozen Clinton fund-raisers.

    “I’ve had more contact from the McCain campaign since the nomination than from the Obama campaign,” said Calvin Fayard, a New Orleans lawyer, major Clinton fund-raiser and longtime Democratic donor who is not in Denver this week.

    Mr. Fayard said he was considering supporting Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, citing what he perceived as Mr. Obama’s inexperience.

    After Mrs. Clinton suspended her campaign in June, the Clinton and Obama campaigns publicly vowed to work toward integrating Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raising apparatus with Mr. Obama’s.

    But it appears that much of that effort has fallen short, said former Clinton supporters who have decided to begin raising money for Mr. Obama.

    “I believe to date I’m a minority,” said Hassan Nemazee, a former national finance chairman for the Clinton campaign who said he has raised more than $500,000 for Mr. Obama in the last few months. “I still firmly believe there is a tremendous amount of untapped resources that can be tapped if the Obama campaign pro-actively engages people in the Clinton world.”

    Indeed, a New York Times analysis of Federal Election Committee records found that Clinton donors contributed roughly $2 million to the Obama campaign in July, a similar amount to what they gave in June.

    The amount is not insubstantial, but it appears to fall short of targets originally envisioned by Obama fund-raisers.

    When Mr. Obama decided in June to bypass the $84 million in public financing for the general election, campaign officials calculated that to make it worth the additional time Mr. Obama would need to devote off the campaign trail to fund-raising, they needed to raise two to three times the $84 million.

    They set out a goal of raising $300 million for the campaign and $180 million for the Democratic Party, several fund-raisers said, or about $100 million a month.

    The targets hewed closely with what Obama advisers also cited in interviews as their anticipated budget for the general election, but a spokesman for the campaign insisted on Tuesday that its fund-raising was on target and denied that $100 million a month was ever a real goal.

    In July, Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee took in about $77 million. That swamped the $53 million Mr. McCain and the Republican National Committee collected. But it was for a second straight month significantly off the pace Obama officials had set.

    In June, when Mrs. Clinton suspended her campaign, Clinton and Obama officials estimated they might be able to collect $50 million to $75 million or more from Clinton donors. They appear to be nowhere near that.

    And the prospects for the Obama campaign to wring more out of top Clinton fund-raisers who remain inactive or unenthusiastic appears to be diminishing. There was much initial wrangling between the two sides over how to best draw in former Clinton fund-raisers, with some arguing the Obama campaign should alter its fund-raising structure to offer parallel titles for top Clinton bundlers to their Obama counterparts.

    But Obama officials, who take pride in having less heirarchy in its organization, resisted. In the end, they saw little need to change what was working, several top Clinton fund-raisers said.

    “I’ve always advocated, in order to bring people in, you need to bring people into your leadership hierarchy,” Mr. Nemazee said. “The Obama world does not work that way. As a consequence, that works fine for how they motivate people. It does not work well in terms of how you motivate the Clinton people.”

    Another sore point remains Clinton fund-raisers’ contentions that Mr. Obama has not done enough to help Mrs. Clinton retire her debt. The analysis by The Times found that Obama donors gave $300,000 to Mrs. Clinton in July and $135,000 in June.

    Perceived snubs leading up to the convention have not helped. Only a handful of Clinton donors got rooms at the coveted Ritz Carlton, where the biggest Obama fund-raisers are staying.

    The Times’s analysis of campaign finance records found fewer than 50 out of the more than 300 “Hillraisers” — who have bundled more than $100,000 for Mrs. Clinton — contributed to the Obama campaign in July, up from about 10 the month before.

    Just over 70 Hillraisers have contributed to Mr. Obama, meaning the vast majority of Hillraisers appear to have not.

    “Coming into the convention, things aren’t as good as we all would have hoped for,” said Beth Dozoretz, a former finance chairwoman for the Democratic party and Hillraiser who said she is planning to do some women’s events for the Obama campaign in the fall but decided to take the summer off. “We remain hopeful that it will improve significantly after this week.”

  171. Emjay Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
    btw djia

    How is Dakota over Iowa?

    ******

    Hi ya…… well……

    I think I will steal a line from “the one”

    “It’s nice enough” LOL!!

  172. Every political party is a conspiracy against the laity.

    Every political party destroys its best and corronates its worst.

    Every political party is a crashing bore.

  173. Stephen Jay Gould called it “regression toward the mean”, WB

    Lily Tomlin used to say, “I worry about being a success in a mediocre world.

  174. If HIllary got up at the convention tonight in sack cloth and ashes and beat her back with chains, throwing herself on the floor and begging and begging for forgiveness for ever even thinking a tiny less than worshipful thought about the great BO, it still WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH.

    It is a totally disgusting mess. Bill and Hillary have been villified even by some of their own supporters. There must be some kind of psychological insanity that makes people want to “kill” someone’s good name. I’ve never seen such whipping boys like the Clinton’s are.

    And they both are the best of the best.

  175. poster on puma pac blog posted link to pictures of hillary at her luncheon today

    s529.photobucket.com/albums/dd333/SouthJerseyPUMA/Hillary%20Pics%20at%20Women%20Count%20Luncheon%208-26-08/

  176. The more they say Barack obama the more they Lose VOTERS left and right!!!!!!!!!!!
    These idiots saying on the stage barack Obama every 2 seconds…what loser’s Theya re LIAR”S also!!!!we do not want Him
    The bad news is barack Obama is a FRAUD !!!!!
    the BIG LIAR O for 08 LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!..and L:ies
    and it trobles the American voter Now as everyone is watching this LIAR!!!!!

    GO Hillary GO fight them idiots !!!!!18 Million !!!!!!
    I own MY VOTE TO!!!!
    I will not belive what she says at the convention.if the first words are barack Obama!!!!!!
    I love her to Pieces and I admire her so much
    she is strong, stronger than any member IN CONGRESS!!!!or in the Senate!!!!

    I do not want for a President
    NO Obama IN NOVEMBER!!! NO oBama Pocket Change!!!! its false Hope!!!!!!

    But I will remember when I wrote on her blog!! told her everyone has emotions and she was a Human being like all of us..right after new hampshire..she said the words the next day!!!!!…

    GO Hillary GO!!!!!!!!!!!….lotts South Dakota is watching and wyoming too.

  177. Sebelius on the podium and putting everyone to sleep. She can excite a crowd like a dead fish.
    The is the most uninspiring convention I have ever seen. Kerry’s had more than this. THe real excitement is being done outsite the convention hall by those PUMA’s.

  178. Lets all hope the real speech Hillary give tonight will be in her pocket and not the one that is on the teleprompter!
    Do we still have hope the fraud will be kicked out by an eligibility requirement.

  179. wbboei, you make me want to pull out my copy of “The Portable Dorothy Parker”

    Guys, lets not bash Hillary for what she cannot do. She has been through more than we could ever imagine, and is still going through it. The woman is not God, and she can’t move mountains. It’s unfair to her to demand that she do. She’s given all she can give, and I daresay it’s a LOT more than any of us have ever done.

    This is not her fight anymore, it’s ours.

  180. Please, please let’s get some money together to hire some big thug to stand on that manhole cover…you know the one Dick Morris uses to climb out of the sewer so he can be propped up on FOX and spew against the Clintons.

  181. People are saying the CNN camera man kept panning down to Carville’s PUMA shoes. Also that the bots on their blogs are LIVID and going crazy over the PUMA shoes.

    LMAO!!!

  182. Claire McCaskill on FOX. Oh, Jeez. Let’s introduce her to Dickie Morris. A match made in Heaven!

  183. I hope so confloyd !!!Do we still have hope the fraud will be kicked out by an eligibility requirement.
    kick back to chicago or kenya!!!! Or to produce His

    Birth certifacte or produce some records showing who he is !!!!!! We all know he is a fake and was suited up!!!!never heard of him ever before until that stupid opfrah show. he has nO expierence …

  184. Reading upthread bambi is still pushing clinton contributors to cough up money when his own shadowy terrorist linked donors came up wiht 50 million in july alone?

    Earth to Bambi: ever hear of a budget. I know the cost of doing business, i.e. bribes has gone up but my god man you have got to learn to pace yourself. Maybe Kadafy can help now that Rezko is in the slammer waiting to sing.

  185. LOL…they were just PUMA brand tennis shoes, SKMF. But I don’t think he wore them without knowing the significance. 🙂

  186. There was a pic up on riverdaughter of The Cajun in his shoes. We think it was on purpose. He’s a secret PUMA.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/find-the-puma-open-thread/

  187. That makes me think of that Saturday Night Live skit, where they showed all the Temples Gate cult members dead in bed wearing their Nikes, and then had the voice over, “Keds. The sneakers for sensible, sane people.”

  188. The two most basic questions you can ask someone are:

    1. what is your real name?

    2. where were you borne

    Yet Bambi, the man who would be king, has not provided truthful definitive answers

    Q: and where is Big Media on this question?

    A: commenting on Hillary’s hairdo and having the first lady of hates earrrings appraised

    Suggestion: castrate olberman, schuster, and matthews–castrades in the celestrial choir

  189. TV says that the lines to get in are very long. No one was interested yesterday. They are coming to see our Hillary, they didn;t give a shit about Teddy or MO.

  190. ambinder reports rollcall tommorro full w/nom speeches. but what is the catch?

    Clinton Will Get Nominating, Seconding Speeches Tomorrow
    26 Aug 2008 05:13 pm

    A senior conventional official says that supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton will formally place her name into nomination Wednesday night with regular nominating and seconding speeches. The roll call of states begins around 6:00 pm ET. As part of that process, Clinton delegates have been alloted time to speak. Sen. Barack Obama, of course, gets a nominating speech too. But he gets three seconding speeches. No word yet as to the identity of the speakers.

    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/clinton_will_get_nominating_se.php

  191. Having just listened to Fredrico Pena re green technology, I am getting mad all over again.

    I was elected to work on the state platform, and had a copy of many of Hillary’s policy papers. Many of these speeches contain HER positions, HER thinking, HER plans…almost word for word.

    BO is as much a plagiarist as Joe is (once a plagiarist, always a plagiarist.)

    As a former academic, I am outraged…again.
    It is plain and simple theft. Wbboei, isn’t that theft of intellectual property?

  192. idude…, (i mean dunn)

    LOL….

    “Temples Gate cult members dead in bed wearing their Nikes, and then had the voice over, “Keds. The sneakers for sensible, sane people.” ”

    YOU FRIGGEN ‘CRACK’ ME UP !!!!
    (down barack…)

  193. I don’t know if you guys are watching cspan, but in the center with all the delegates, they showed a large group of people with Hillary signs, lots throughout are wearing Hillary buttons…it’s sooooo cooool

  194. TV says that the lines to get in are very long. No one was interested yesterday. They are coming to see our Hillary, they didn’t give a shit about Teddy or MO.

    LOL.

  195. No matter what Hillary says or does, when Obama loses they will blame Hillary for not doing enough. Funny how for years everyone says that the VP choice has no real effect come election day and yet those same people will balme Hillary on November 5th
    ———————————————
    They will but they will have no credibilty. And if she does what she is doing now the competing narrative that he would have won if he had picked Hillary will be the one that prevails. We cannot say too often it is not her job, or Bill’s job to win over the traditional coalition. It is his job. And far from winning them over he, brazille, pelosi and axelrod by their words and by their deeds did everything they could to disrespect them, antagonize them and barry in this life as you sew so shall ye reap.

  196. they got Nobama on the hats in the crowds there for Hillary ..and stickers on there shirts..
    Fight em hillary

  197. If You Expect Hillary to Do it Then Nominate Her, Damn It!!
    By Larry Johnson
    Author: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
    Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
    Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
    About: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC’s Nightline, NBC’s Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (749) on August 26, 2008 at 7:50 PM in Current Affairs

    What the hell is the matter with the so-called leaders of the Democratic Party? They are putting the burden and blame on Hillary if she does not rally the base for Barack? Today’s news that Barack fell father behind John McCain following last night’s buffoonery with Michelle as Harriet Nelson was grist for Bonnie Erbe, who wrote:

    It’s always dangerous to read too much into daily tracking polls. But the timing of this drop for Obama could turn out to be significant. The Gallup Daily presidential tracking poll shows McCain ahead by a statistically-insignificant 2 points, but what’s important is that Obama’s selection of Sen. Joe Biden is not pulling in any support and candidates traditionally see a bounce coming out of their conventions, not a drop. This makes the Hillary vote, white working class Americans and white women 40+, all the more critical to Obama’s efforts. The media spin and the campaign spin, putting the onus of party unification on Clinton, is bound to annoy her supporters all the more. I heard several of them complaining about it last night at the Pepsi Center while watching Michelle Obama’s speech. Yes, Michelle Obama put in a complimentary line or two about Sen. Clinton, but the Obama campaign is going to have to do much, much more.

    And I am ripshit livid over the hypocrisy that accompanied the fawning tribute to Teddy Kennedy. We are talking a level of irony that almost transcends human ability to find words to describe what transpired.

    Start with the video tribute showing a younger, vibrant Ted Kennedy delivering a speech at the 1980 Democratic convention. Most of you may not remember that event, but there was real division at the convention. Kennedy had a 1000 fewer delegates than Jimmy Carter, an incumbent President. So, did Ted counsel conciliation? Supporting the guy who actually won the most votes? Hell no. That self-absorbed clown actually asked delegates committed to Carter to abandon the President and support him.

    So excuse me if I don’t get teary over Ted’s bullshit farewell last night. Hillary has far more reason than Ted did back in 1980 to insist on a vote. In fact, Ted got a real roll call at the convention. At least Jimmy Carter did not try to screw him out of his right to have a vote and make his case. But the fat, drunk senior Senator from Massachusetts refuses to insist on the same right for Hillary Clinton. She won more votes than Barack Obama but does not get a chance to make her case to the people of America for herself.

    No!! She has to make the case for a poseur who is already heading for disaster. So whether you excuse me or not, I am pissed. It is not fair and it is not right. Yet, Hillary with grace and courage will stand up tonight and make a sincere case to support the kid from Illinois who is not ready, as his own running mate acknowledged, for the big time. And many pundits and party leaders put the onus on her for making the case for Barack? That is bullshit!!! It is not her job to make his case. If she has to do his job for him than why in the hell is he being given the job? I don’t get it.

  198. A senior conventional official says that supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton will formally place her name into nomination Wednesday night with regular nominating and seconding speeches. The roll call of states begins around 6:00 pm ET. As part of that process, Clinton delegates have been alloted time to speak. Sen. Barack Obama, of course, gets a nominating speech too. But he gets three seconding speeches. No word yet as to the identity of the speakers.
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    He finally figured it out. Amazing.

  199. Do you all think that is a PUMA bracelet?? If so that is definitely a message to the PUMA’s. You would have to look up old video’s of Carville and see if he wears dress shoes or sneakers?? That would tell us the truth!
    They are saying this is the keynote, I thought Hillary’s was the keynote?? I am confused!

  200. wbboei Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    A senior conventional official says that supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton will formally place her name into nomination Wednesday night with regular nominating and seconding speeches.
    **************
    This might have something to do with BHO’s change of heart 😀

    poster from pumapac tonight :

    Hill del circulating a petition to get full roll call vote and apparently if enough signers they can’t do acclamation, etc. CNN cut off their interviewer pretty fast.

  201. Hey i turned to c-span just now. The crowd looks bored. I thought Hillary was speaking . Mark Warner is speaking I turned the tv off

  202. this is pretty good broadcast on yahoo…type in
    dijia this might be of some help to ya..
    htt p://
    cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com..comes in great and the sound is way good…no tv ratings from me…

  203. Judas is on FOX. LMAO! Asked how close he got to being VP, Richardson says he “thinks it was close”.

    LMAO!! Gawd, what a bag of wind. Fool thinks he was ever seriously considered. No, Judas, you were the goat.

  204. dija this might be some of help this coming in great for me..i wont give the tv ratings

    type in h t t p : //
    cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com

    Hillary is NEXT GO HIllary GOO!!!!!!

  205. Hardly inspirational, poor choice for keynote. not to mention that he is a centrist, not the label one would think of as a democrat .. not the progressive or liberal image

  206. “The Obama intimidation letters are amusing. Imagine, only the Obama campaign expects “Justice” from the Bush “Justice” Department. It’s like expecting the truth and openness from the Obama campaign – a total joke.”

    God your are good!

  207. if this is the best BHO campaign can come up with for a keynote speaker…they should start packing their bags now, Chicago is waiting

  208. dija this might be some of help go to yahoo where it says live convention front page,coming in great for me and the sound is good…
    no tv ratings from me..

    Hillary is NEXT

    GO Hillary GO!

  209. Bambi now seems to understand that he will divide the party if he prevents her name from being placed in nomination. We have the 300 signatures. Now the next thing he needs to let every state do a roll call vote and not preempt the process. I was getting the idea a few hours ago that he was hedging or backing off. Q: If wexler is mixed up in those negotiations you can be sure everything is screwed up. That bastard is a waste of protoplasm.

    Paula: I am just guessing like the rest of us.

  210. hawk Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
    fuck Bill Richardson
    ——————————————
    and the donkey he road in on. Sancho Panza/

  211. CJ, I will leave Hill’s speech on even if I have to turn it down, just so SHE gets the ratings bump.

  212. they got Nobama on the hats in the crowds there for Hillary ..and stickers on there shirts..
    Fight em hillary
    ——————————————-
    luv it CJ– c-a-t-h-aris

  213. HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
    CJ, I will leave Hill’s speech on even if I have to turn it down, just so SHE gets the ratings bump.
    yep all for Hillary ratings so she can outshine HIM for GOOd…

  214. all I gotta say is I’ve never heard so many recycled speeches in my life…they are all saying the same thing..nothing new, nothing exciting…….damn this is sooo boring

  215. emanuel already spoke unless it’s another immanuel…’bout time for somebody to descend from above.

  216. debbie–i was afraid it was just me…at least Strickland has good delivery and isn’t a monotone.

    The most important speech imho so far was the one delivered by Lilly Ledbetter.

    Strickland just said something nice (and true) about Bill Clinton — alluded to the surplus

  217. it is boring and ted lies alott I can tell he is lying,he doesnt mean to say this crap!!! he knows…he is talking way slower than usual…figuring what words to say lol.. him and hillary are good friends too!!!..

  218. I am not watching these craps after Olys… I will not watch Hillary or Bill either. They’re basically hostage under the gun… Interestin analysis from hotair on Hillary’s strategy, comparing hers to Reagan model…
    ——————————————-
    h t t p : / / hotair.com/archives/2008/08/26/hillarys-test-run-ignored-obama/

    Hillary Clinton gave a preview of tonight’s speech for a group of supporters in Denver earlier today, and it didn’t feature Barack Obama — at all. Peter Nicholas covered the event for the LA Times, and reports that Hillary never asked her backers to support Obama, only urging their support for “all our nominees”. If that’s the strategy she takes tonight, the snub could be historic:

    Nor is this unprecedented. As George Stephanopolous notes, a Republican seized the moment at a convention which he narrowly lost and set the stage for his eventual triumph:

    Sore losers cripple Presidential nominees. Think of what Ronald Reagan did to Gerald Ford in 1976. After Ford crushed Reagan’s late challenge and refused to offer him the VP slot, he had to beg Reagan to speak at the convention. The 798 words he got were no help. Barely a mention of Ford, not a word of praise. While Reagan’s ringing defense of the GOP platform laid the groundwork for his 1980 campaign, it did nothing for Ford — who barely lost to Jimmy Carter come November.

    Carter also got his comeuppance from Ted Kennedy in 1980, but that was more or less a dog-in-the-manger ploy, as Kennedy knew 1980 was his last chance to win the White House. Hillary may have looked at the Reagan example as a template for her own ambitions. In the speech earlier today, she positioned herself as the champion of civil rights and the heir of Dr. King, a rather bold assertion given Obama’s position at this convention.

    Put together with Bill Clinton’s remarks earlier today as well, it looks like the Clintons have decided to only give grudging and tepid support to Barack Obama. Perhaps Hillary will change her mind by tonight, but the Clintons appear ready to take full control of their two days in the Denver spotlight.

  219. As Bill said, (not actually mentioning B.O.) ‘Obama can’t deliver on anything’.

    While we wait for the great Hillary Clinton:

  220. Admin> exactly. He promises to do things and then he sends goosbee to rescind the promise as he did to ted and his voter in Ohio in re NAFTA. Barack was trained by frank marshall davis who was a communist and as lenin said: promises are like pie crusts –made to be broken.

  221. What wears me out the most about this election season is the droning on and on by media who actually think their thoughts matter.

    Somebody find me a station that just reports the facts, doesn’t try to sway the vote, doesn’t go on rabid attacks, and above all doesn’t choose sides.

  222. Thanks CJ

    I have been getting enough info to know I am not missing anything at all right now …..

    I did get to see pics of hillary today all in white

    Damn…….she looks awesome in white!

    Like an Angel!!

  223. Hillary is wearing white for the suffragists. What a classy lady. And there’s Bill, bless him. What a man.

    The party that would not want to cling tight to that man’s legacy is a party of FOOLS and COWARDS.

  224. dija she is an angel in south dakota ill tell ya that we are all scared of that BO and there is lotts who wont ever support daschle..he will be nothing here in south dakota no more..no office he will never be elected ,that is the word going around.

    I still see some of these people i passed out all those flyers for hillary voters ..they will support her whatever she does

  225. What wears me out the most about this election season is the droning on and on by media who actually think their thoughts matter.
    ——————————————-
    Well said JanH

    Especially when there are no hard facts to back them up and they are simply trying to drive a narrative they have invented/

  226. I wonder if Drudge knows the day the world will end. Scientists say in 36 billion years. But I would really know what he thinks.

    In this case however re. WJC what he says is not unlikely. Bill is a busy man.

  227. who planted these speeches in these peoples heads they are boring and are clueless of the American people of what we want…and its no hope or change you cant live on it..its all false on tv the obam bolgerrs are false…and these people are misreprsenting the American will of the people!!!
    they all need to go to Jail!!!!

  228. Geez people, I know the news I posted on Bill is from Drudge which is hardly a reliable source but I just wanted to pass along info…I’m looking for other sources to back it up….

  229. CJ Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    dija she is an angel in south dakota
    ******

    where in SD are you??

    I am right in the middle between sioux falls and sioux city

  230. how ya been molly..yes anne richards turning in her grave for sure!!!
    admin if you werent here and how i learn so much from you and the people here…never thought i would learn politics but i caught on after a year LOL
    this place here is the sane place…

  231. AmericanGal Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    Someone is reporting on PumaPac blog that Al Gore will speak at the stadium on Thursday..

    **********

    I heard on the radio today that he is supposed to introduce BhusseinO on thursday

  232. BIg ovation to music…beautiful. She looks so beautiful and she is so gracious. She is going to make all those BO people wish that they made a different choice.

  233. here is chelsea YIPPPeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

    she is going get a standing ovation and Hillary too…
    your welcome dija …

  234. Still clapping

    So honored to be here tonight

    A proud mother
    A proud demo
    A proud senator from NY
    A proud American
    A proud supporter of BO

  235. My friends. It is time to take back the country we love. Whether you voted form me or BO. Time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose.

  236. SHe is on the high road>>>

    We are on the same team
    None of us can afford to sit on the sidelines
    This is a fight for the future and we must fight together
    I haven’t spent the last 36 years in the trenches…doing….and fighting for women’s rights here and around the world…to see another republican … squander our promise

  237. The look on Michelle’s face tells the story. Michelle looks disgusted and scared. Michelle sees what a real president looks like.

  238. She’s giving it her best shot. No one can say she did not try hard to drag his sorry ass across the finish line.

    This speech is highlighting how DUMB the party was to reject her.

  239. admin Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    The look on Michelle’s face tells the story. Michelle looks disgusted and scared. Michelle sees what a real president looks like.
    i seen that to admin…scared out of her witss lol

  240. SISTERHOOD OF THE TRAVELING PANTSUIT was Riverdaughter’s famous post on DailyKos.

    That right there was a shout out to PUMAs, folks.

  241. She looks so beautiful.. She is a class act and I can’t stop crying. I am disgusted to have seen that look on Michelle’s face. They have selected cowards..nincompoops..

  242. >>>>she is something Barack will neer be>>>

    No way, no how, no McCain
    He is my candidate (BO) and he must be our president
    I ask you to remember what a Presidential election is all about
    It comes down to you
    Your stories remind me that America’s……
    You taught so much
    You made me laugh
    And yes you even made me cry
    You allowed me to become part of your life
    And you became part of mine
    I remember single mom who had adopted two autistic children and found out she had gotten cancer
    She painted my name on her bald head
    I remember…the veteran who came to me in a tee shirt who said take care of my buddies and please take care of me
    I will always be grateful to everyone from all 50 states
    To my supporters my champions
    My sisters to the traveling pantsuits
    From the bottom of my heart…thank you
    Together we made history
    Along the way we lost two great leaders
    Ark leader Bill Gwatney
    and Congresswoman Stephanie Tubb Jones
    A dear friend
    A loving mother
    (His son is sitting next to BILL)
    our heart goes out to them

    People are hurting at home
    The supremem court and a right wing gridlock
    Biggest deficient in our history
    Putin in GA and Ira and IRaq
    I ran for president to Provide opportunity
    for those people who work hard
    to promote a clean economy for millions of green jobs
    for every single parent who knows that their children will be taken care of
    education system
    equality
    from womens rights to gay rights
    to provide health for the most important job their is
    to make Am once again a nation of immigrants and laws
    make our govnt an institution of public good
    Bring our trops home with honor
    we will work

  243. H4t

    I never read that post……wasn’t around then
    does anyone have it to post here??

    I would love to read that one

  244. The more HIllary hits it out of the ballpark with her “presidental” speech, the more Michelle’s face looks like it is getting 18 million cracks in it!

  245. It is Bill Gawtney’s wife (she looked really sad) sitting next to Bill on the right and STJ’s son on the left.

  246. The problem with this speech is that when it’s compared to Obamas stadium fest it just going to diminish him further…

  247. In order to win and be a leaders, the people have to appoint you.

    No one has appointed O, MO should be scared.

  248. And to think if not for the cheating DNC and the crooked Obama, this brilliant, fantastic woman could be our leader and president.

  249. Thanks MollyJRichards for the transcript. It’s an astonishingly great speech (especially when we excise the sentences with B.O. mentioned). Hillary at her peak.

    Her praise of Bill Clinton is a highlight.

  250. Oh, my dear, sweet Hillary, I was in it for all those people. And Barack Obama will not do Jack Shit for any of them

  251. This woman needs to be president. I love what she is saying, I believe what she is saying, and Barack Obama does NOT GIVE ONE SHIT about anything she is saying.

  252. most of all
    I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for 8 long years
    This is the reason I ran and that I support BO

    I want you to ask yourselves
    Were you in this campaign for me
    Or for that young MArine, etc etc
    For all those people who are ….invisible

    This will not be easy
    to put a dem back in the WH
    That is why we need BO
    We need a Pres who understands we can’t solve the problems of global warming..without investing in new technology
    the genius of aAmer. as always depended on the middle class

    BO started out blah blah blah

    Govern is about we the people
    And not
    The favored few

    Democrats know how to do this
    We did it before with President Clinton and the Democrats
    We can do it again with PResident OBama and the democrats

    Just think of what Am can be
    When we transform that energy economy
    Get middle class fam the
    I cannot wait to see BO sign into law a health care plan that covers every single AM
    We know that PRes BO will end the war in IRAQ responsibly

    BO will have in him a terrific partner in Michelle BO
    She will be a great first

    We are fortuante that Joe Biden will be at his side
    Hes pragmatic, hes tough and his wise
    And he will be supported by his wonderful wife

    John Mc Cain is my colleage and my friend
    BUt we don’t need 4 more years of the last 8 years

    Do we need…
    more sky rocketing debt and crushing bills
    more war and less diplomacy
    more …..
    John McCain says the econ is fundamentally sound
    John McCain doesn’t have to privatize social security
    He thinks it’s still okay when people don’t earn equal pay for equal work
    It makes perfect sense that they will be together next week in the twin cities
    These days they are awfully hard to tell apart
    America is still around after 230 years because we have risen together … and work for the common good
    I am a US Senator because of women who gathered together in Senaca Flls NY in 1848
    And so it would be that it would be handed down (the struggle) from mother to daughter
    88 years ago on this very day
    women getting the right to vote enshrined in the constitution
    HOw do we give Am back
    Follow the example of Harriett Tubman
    Don’t ever stop
    If you want a taste of freedom keep going….
    In the darkest moments
    We have always found the faith to keep going
    I have seen it
    In the men and women of our military…
    we are Americans we are not big on quitting
    Before we can keep going we have to get going
    We must elect BO
    We don’t havfe a moment to spare
    Think about your children and grandchildren on election day
    Think about the choices ….
    This our duty to build a bright future
    There is no ceiling to high
    That is our mission….
    God bless you and god bless America

  253. SHE DIDNT READ FROM ANY TELEPROMTER, SHE SAID IT FROM THE HEART…

    she lives and breathes her beliefs….

    BUT SO DO I,
    I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, NOT EVER.

  254. That speech encapsulated what being a Democrat means better than anything we’ll see the rest of this convention. Period.

  255. OMG it was incredible. Sorry yall I lost it a couple of times and toward the end of the speech i couldn’t keep up the bloggin

    that speech had a life of its on

  256. Guys, she gave it her all in this speech, and I predict that all it will have done is showcase what a freaking SUPERIOR person she is, and how they are nominating the WRONG one.

    Nobama. Ever.

  257. I just couldn’t watch/listen. But I’m glad to read that Hillary hit a grand slam and was able to do it in a way that made her look like the candidate who SHOULD be getting the nomination.

  258. Bill was saying he was SO PROUD. He kept biting his tongue to keep from crying although he had tears in his eyes.

  259. DITTO WB

    She is the greatest leader of our time
    And you can take that to the bank
    That was an incredible speech

  260. OMG she is so good your right rjk oppps the wrong canidiate………

    Hillary speech is the hightlights and yep he will never top that he cant even say them big words she uses……LOL

  261. The FOX news team…Barnes, Hume, Kristol, and some woman don’t think Hillary did enough for BO. I’m sure they are so jealous of her.

  262. SB, they just can’t stand it how good she is. She makes him look like a vapid child in comparison, and they know it.

  263. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 26th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Guys, she gave it her all in this speech, and I predict that all it will have done is showcase what a freaking SUPERIOR person she is, and how they are nominating the WRONG one.

    Nobama. Ever.

    ****************************
    She surpassed anything I could have imagined. One of the best speakers in the history of the world. Yes, the comparison will hurt him bad.

  264. rjk1957 Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
    Top that speech Obama!!!

    BhusseinO could never give a compelling speach like our girl…..never!!!

    is it just me or did that last part of her speech seem more like our PUMA “marching orders”??

  265. I can’t believe the jack-asses spinning on Fox that Hillary did not say enough and that the BO campaign will not be satisfied with her speech. (She only mentioned his name 10 times and did not say how great of a president he would make) I can’t stand those Bitches. Sorry Admin. I have to go before I spout off and Admin bans me. Hillary 2012!!!!

  266. Fox News surely does NOT like it when anyone critizes the Bush JR administration. Have they forgotten the vile, horrible attacks the launched against the Clinton Administration for the pasts 16 years?

  267. What do they want Hillary to do. Jump around naked and shout vote for Obama. I own my vote. Hillary or no one else can make me vote for that FAKE

  268. SouthernBorn: ANybody says she didn’t do enuf has got their head so far up their ass their eyes are brown

  269. OMG, that was the speech of a lifetime. She was absolutely fantastic.
    THey said there would not be a dry eye in the house when Kennedy came on, i never saw anyone crying, however tonight I cried thru the whole thing and many, many people were crying. Those assholes don’t deserve her!!

  270. Actually, I think Fox news is right…and I’m ecstatic about it. Yes she repeated Obama’s name and to vote for him over and over again, but she didn’t exactly talk about what a wonderful leader he would be…cough…cough…or actually talk at all about him!

    LOL…I love it! 🙂

  271. The most powerful part to me was the part where she talked about were you in it just for me….it’s not about me

  272. Incredible woman on television on CNN a Hillary supporter…you know it …you saw it yourself…you KNOW that was a PResidential speech. I will vote for Clinton
    at the convention.

  273. Quote on Fox:
    Michelle Obama: “Mrs. Clinton did a fantastic job.”

    Her name is SENATOR Clinton, you nasty little viper Michelle!

  274. Hillary quite simply is THE BEST. I can’t believe we’re stuck with the fraud when we could have had Hillary. I agree with ABM90: “It will take this woman to fix our village.” Hillary 2012!

  275. I gotta know who this delegate on CNN is. She is incredible! She is being interviewed right now by MAlveaux

  276. How totally scared the Republicans and FOX news are of Hillary and Bill Clinton. Those old dudes including Krauthammer are freaked out by the Clintons.

    YOU BET! They better be very afraid of her. John McCain wouldn’t stand a chance if Hillary were the nominee.

  277. The funniest thing about the coverage is the contrast between Fox saying how the speech fell short (they want a discontented Hillary mob – they shouldn’t be concerned); and MSNBC falling all over themselves to praise her work. (They are in a panic.)

  278. Ann Price Mill a delegate…she is GREAT…Hillary hire her! She just gave the most heart felt, reasoned arguments why it should be HIllary as President. Admin, find that clip!

  279. Wow…a very passionate smart woman on cnn from the floor…a clinton delegate…a black woman in her 40s….talking about what hillary means to her…and what her candidacy meant…admin…please link to this video asap…she was speaking my words…it was like a mind meld.

  280. Actually, I think Fox news is right…and I’m ecstatic about it. Yes she repeated Obama’s name and to vote for him over and over again, but she didn’t exactly talk about what a wonderful leader he would be…cough…cough…or actually talk at all about him!

    LOL…I love it!
    ——————————————
    JAN H: very perceptive. The other thing she did was up the ante on him re universal health insurance–no 15 millon uninsured. Maybe they covered that in the platform but if not then here’s looking at you kid. If that causes teddie to wheeze and guffaw then so much the better.

  281. HillaryforTexas
    Probably just payback for the little jab Hillary hit her with at the beingining of her speech intended or not “I am a proud American”

  282. SouthernBorn, you hit the nail on the head, now we know why they have demonized her for 18 years.

    I hope that freaking Mathews got a thrill up his leg for this one!!

  283. SO ADMIN,

    WE HEARD HILLARYS SPEECH…

    WHAT WILL YOU POST AS OUR TRIBUTE TO HILLARY?
    WE NEED SOMETHING FROM THE HEART ADMIN…
    MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL FOR US ADMIN…

    SNIFFLE…

    SNIFFLE…..

    SNIFFLE……

  284. if i have to look at mo’s smug mug for the next 4 years, i’ll never look at the news again

    this above is on pumas blog im lmao….and im right along with ya…no news..

  285. Ann Price Mill wow. but did you notice that she told the idiot reporter that she would not vote for McCain and that obama had two months to prove himself. Two minutes later the pseudo journalist asked her if she was going to vote for McCain.

  286. wbboei,

    Exactly! She sent out a few huge challenges to Obama. I doubt he’s up to achieving any of them though. 😉

  287. I just saw a wonderful AA Clinton delegate CNN interviewing her — she was crying and very emotional, asked the CNN reporter how could anybody not have nominated Clinton. She said she will not vote for McCain but she is also not sure she will vote for Obama if he does not convince her in the next two months. She was heartbroken as many of us are.

  288. ABC gave good coverage. They pointed out than Mechille cried through the whole speech. Also that no one else gave that much to the winner by far. “Obama owes her a debt of gratitude.”

    And that she had done them the favor of defining what this whole messageless convention should be all about.

  289. I agree with Fox also…I don’t think she was enthusiastic about Obama. I thought she talked about voting for him because he is a Democrat, not because he is an exceptional potential president.

    Although I thought she did fantastic, there is no way I will switch my vote to Obama…

  290. It was just so wonderful seeing the Clintons together in the spotlight again. You could tell that the majority of that audience were spellbound.

  291. F*ck all the people who insulted and slammed her during and after the primary and now complimenting her and crying over her speech.

    Too little too late.

  292. Can’t see Obama beating that speech. Hillary is the star of that convention and she doesn’t even have to try. 🙂

  293. ME-chelle cried throughout the speech?? Are you talking about Michelle Obama? If so how do you cry with tears?

  294. Everything we’d work for in all those Primary months. All the traveling and expenses and this is what we’re treated to? Hillary being propped up to support that bastard who called them racists? Great! Wonderful. I’m so thrilled. My time and money were so well spent.

  295. Hillary’s reference to The Sisterhood of The Traveling Pantsuit was a shout out to us PUMAs.

    Riverdaughter wrote the piece, and was subsequently kicked off DailyKos. She helped found PUMA. The piece is legend, and has been emailed all over to women.

    Riverdaughter just reposted it, if you’d like to read it.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/the-sisterhood-of-the-traveling-pantsuit/

  296. Michelle did NOT cry at all.

    And this speech made me cry like a little baby, but let me tell you, it angered me beyond belief

  297. I guarantee you that opened the door for 2012. It showed her commentment to the democratic party. SHe will run in 2012, if he doesn’t win and she will get the black vote back. guaranteed.

  298. Filberts: Hillary has tremendous power, still, because of that speech. That is a speech that will have impact for many, many years. I know you are angry. I have anger too, lots of it, but I understand what she was doing,and what you did, what all of us did.

  299. we got to get that vid of that black owman who is a clinton del who spoke after on cnn. it was so powerful. did u guys see it!

  300. confloyd, people won’t remember that speech in 4 years. Hillary has just given that asshole a giant boost.

  301. from another blog, and I agree:

    She reminded me why she’s STILL the best candidate for the job. She earn my respect because not once she lied and said Obama would make a good CIC, or that he was ready to lead. I love her for that

  302. DId anyone see the looks on MO’s face during the speech?? I thought she looked like she even knew Hillary should have been the nominee and her husband the vp.

    I would like to know what the puppeteer Soros thinks about that speech??

  303. I believe we all just witnessed Madame President’s kick off speech for 2012. Amazing, powerful, humorous, self deprecating, insightful, forceful and PRESIDENTIAL.

    Way to go, Hillary. You’ve convinced me you’re still a fighter.

  304. From Red State:
    Story of the night: MICHELLE OBAMA CANNOT HIDE HER CONTEMPT OF HILLARY. If looks could kill . . .

    MO is going to be a real problem to Bambi. The entire country tonight saw what a low-class nasty thing she is – yet again.

  305. filbertsf, That is what I kept saying while I was crying through her speech, “those assholes don’t deserve her”.

  306. Keep in mind, that many of those people had never seen this Hillary. Between the video and her incredible speech she won over some folks.

  307. Hillary’s speech was great. To hell with her critics. She shouldn’t be expected to lick BO’s ass after what his campaign and the DNC did to her and Bill. They should be gratetful to her for trying to unite the party and not bitter and vindictive because she really could have turned the place out.

    PUMA

  308. HillaryforTexas
    Probably just payback for the little jab Hillary hit her with at the beingining of her speech intended or not “I am a proud American”
    ——————————————–
    Somebody ought to be honest enough to ask michelle whether she will now take back what she said about hillary. I mean that question should be put to her directly. Tell her it will help to unify the party if she admits she was wrong.

  309. filbertsf
    I disagree, people still talk about “Teddy Kennedy’s 1980 speech “The Dream will never die”. With the internet that speech will be around forever and her supporters will not let anyone forget it.

  310. OK, I’m going to admit it. I told myself I wasn’t going to cry, until I saw STJ in the video. I lost it and could barely contain myself throughout the speech. The woman is just that good.

    She spoke of democratic ideals. Maybe? Maybe? She’ll win a floor fight.

  311. Well, I don’t think Bill messed with any men, as soon as that comes about Larry Sinclair, MO will have a huge, huge crow to eat!! That is also a lot bigger one to swallow!

  312. Gr8t speech Hillary
    I was proud when Bill goaded STJ’s son to stand up Michele couldnt do anything she looked like she was in shock.

    Nobama
    November Noway
    Never

    Sry Hillary it should b u hillary08

  313. You know you are right…whoever said it earlier…Hillary’s speech did not unite the party. After seeing her again, how smart she is and how totally caring she is about others, how can any of us ever unite behind BO and his wife?

    My spouse who is not into politics at all, commented with emotion after Hillary’s speech how stupid the Democratic party is.
    He said the Dems are setting for spam when they could have had a prime steak with Hillary.

  314. The speech was also very intriguing in how Hillary slapped Obama. The call for real ‘universal health care that covers every American’ and the line that Americans don’t give up were echoes of her campaign speeches.

    It was a seamless speech that was crafted with incredible skill. Hillary relived our campaign and gave the incense burners that lines they wanted.

    The “twin cities” line is a template for an attack on McCain that is so much better than the lame “McBush” “McSame”.

    This was an amazing speech on many levels.

    The problem Obama faces is that even though Hillary said what he wanted for most viewers the authority and presence with which Hillary delivered the speech clearly shows Hillary is the superior candidate.

    The words in the speech were excellent, the delivery and performance were even better.

    Still… NObama…. NOvember.

  315. JanH Says:

    August 26th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    wbboei,

    Exactly! She sent out a few huge challenges to Obama. I doubt he’s up to achieving any of them though.
    ———————————————-
    He will have to go back and ask soros. And you know what the answer will be.

  316. She showed everybody there what an incredible leader she is…what a President looks like. We can all hold our heads high folks. I hope that people really read the text — they will learn from it. How she phrased things…the examples she used. Her speech was perfect.

  317. Isn’t Chelsie a class act? Wonderful young woman. She is part of the reason Hillary is strong enough to put up with these freak show of politics. Also her religious faith.

  318. That’s a Relief [Larry Kudlow]

    Whew. I’m glad McCain’s not running against Hillary. She gave a stemwinder. Sure, plenty of Democratic pap. I’ll read the transcript for details to be rebutted. Absolutely, she gave Obama a minimal endorsement. Her speech was about her, not him. And as I wrote this afternoon, only he can make the sale for his candidacy. No one else can do it for him. But the last quarter of her speech had a lot of optimism and confidence about America’s future. No hardships or obstacles can stop America. I like that a lot. Obama never does it; he’s a pessimist. Sometimes John McCain borders on cranky pessimism. But Hillary gave a very strong speech, an American leadership speech, very close to an American exceptionalism speech. Dems never do that. Reagan taught us all how powerful it can be. Hillary has come a long way.

  319. If there is a bounce because of Hillary it will not last long. The repubs won’t allow it…lol…and Obama is about to flub the biggest speech of his career!

    No worries! 🙂

  320. Buyer’s Remorse? [Lisa Schiffren]

    I agree vehemently with Charles Krauthammer on Fox now, that Hillary’s strong performance must have evoked quite a bit of remorse among some voters at the convention. In her manner and her tones, she looked as if she could be a commander in chief, and she has the stature that John McCain has.

  321. POWERFUL testimony from HRC delegate on floor interviewed by Suzanne Malveaux. AWESOME!!! Dear God, please let SOMEONE have youtubed that, because I can almost assure you that CNN won’t be re-airing THAT!

    She gets it! ALL OF IT! I could see the anguish. And the fact that she was an African-American woman that identified with the women’s struggle, she knows that the struggles of all minorities are intertwined. I thought she spoke for ALL of us of EVERY color and ehtnicity.

    The person I imagined when she spoke of Harriet Tubman was Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. The two women totally were about women empowering this country, families, thus THE WORLD.

    Completely blown away with Hillary’s speech. She looked radiant in her bright tangerine, and Chelsea looked prettier than I have ever seen her. What a duo. The powerful image of the widow of the AK Democratic Char, and Mervyn, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones son was so moving and appropriate. Bill Clinton is my hero.

  322. Re: Buyer’s Remorse? [Ramesh Ponnuru]

    I think Clinton would have been a stronger candidate, but not because of her speechmaking abilities, which did not seem to me to be all that much better tonight than in the past. Even her best lines were poorly delivered. The video beforehand was bizarre—why highlight that laugh, for example?

  323. Take It All Back! [Jonah Goldberg]

    Jeff Toobin says it was a great speech in every way. I must have been wrong.

  324. Because, kostner, some of us LOVE her laugh. And we like that she has a sense of humor about herself.

  325. Admin: that is exactly the emotional shift I observed. Notice how she went from one negative emotion to another. No movement into the positive zone. From what I know of her biography she has gotten alot handed to her so I do not understand why she is so negative. But she is and nobody is making that up.

  326. HILLARY CLINTON

    I Wonder If Obama Is Regretting Picking Biden Right Now

    All the networks are sticking with Hillary’s speech instead of going to the local news.

    So far, it’s a very, very solid performance from Hillary, and just about everything the Obama campaign could or should have asked from her. She attacks McCain with relish. Perhaps the GOP ought to be thankful she’s not on the ticket.

    “George W. Bush and John McCain are meeting in the Twin Cities next week, and that’s appropriate, because right now it’s hard to tell them apart.” Credit the speechwriters, it’s a good, memorable line.

    In quoting the advice of Harriet Tubman, is she comparing today’s Democratic party to escaped slaves fleeing to freedom? Okay, this is Hillary’s first major misstep of the night. The delegates are eating it up, but I think Jane and Joe Voter are going to find that a little over the top.

    UPDATE: Just finished. Begala says she mentioned Obama ten times. I agree with the rapidly-emerging conventional wisdom that she did everything he could possibly want, and I think Hillary’s delivery is miles ahead of where she was when she began this race. She ate her Wheaties this morning.

    Campaign Spot reader John notes, “We’re Americans and we’re not big on quitting.” Except in Iraq, apparently.

  327. Great speech.
    Perhaps I’ll place my McCain 08 sign next to my Hillary sign.
    Where are moon and Idunn with thier pithy analysis?

  328. Perfect speech — one of her best. She steps aside on a massive high note, with neither McCain nor Obama able to criticize her one bit.

  329. Just to clarify some comments from above:

    Fox News commentators all thought Senator Clinton hit a home run with her speech — FOR HER. They are were competely praising her speech, just noting that she did what she had to do in terms of an endorsement and not an ounce more.

  330. Buchanan: ” this love that her people have for Hillary is not transferable, they love Hillary.” WHY WAS SHE NOT ON THIS TICKET!!
    She needed to be!! She put US before herself as all good mothers do, they put what their kids need before what they need, and Hillary did that tonight! She is the mother of the democrats!

  331. All Hillary did for me tonight is reinforce why she should be the nominee and president.
    Quite frankly she, by her very presence, intellegence, compassion, has set a bar so high that noone in the democratic party or in any party for that matter will ever reach it. That person has either has not been born yet or is still an unknown.

    BHO can never reach that bar. no way, no how, NObama.

  332. OK, Hillary 2012 which means we have to defeat this bastard soundly even if it means voting for McCain now. We have to rid the party of those characters who have installed that nincompoop there (what a difference looking at her and that unprepared hack.)

  333. H4T, YES, he is very complimentary. Msm has had a change of heart and can’t say enough wonderfull thing about Hillary!!

  334. Admin: My pleasure…the blogging kept me from losin’ it, if you know what I mean. I am just grateful to you from having this space for us.

    I just called mama and daddy. They are so proud always of Hillary.

  335. Charles Krauthammer on Fox now, that Hillary’s strong performance must have evoked quite a bit of remorse among some voters at the convention.
    ———————————————–
    One of my favorite analysts. Conservative but usually gets it right. And not afraid to say it.

  336. :sigh:

    I’m in love, for real, and I’m straight.
    Bill’s in love, too. He kept mouthing :I love you” to her

    I am inspired, proud, awed, impressed, touched and amazed at this spectacularly remarkable graceful woman.

    What an incredible speech. No teleprompter. the crowd going wild for her. Women with tears dripping down their cheeks
    Even tweetie and ogremann stunned at her impact.

    I am so proud that she ended on that unforgettable note. Grace under fire.

    My shero. how do i make a heart?

  337. Buchanan: ” this love that her people have for Hillary is not transferable, they love Hillary.”

    Yes, that pretty much sums it right up

  338. Folks, it time to turn FOX off now, they will be going over to the other side now.

    Billy Kristol is a ass. Hillary did everything humanly possible for the asshole, if he fumbles the ball, it his freaking fault, NOT HERS!

  339. I agree that MEcille was glaring, not crying. She is so envious and competitive with a huge chip on her shoulder. Hillary put MO’s pathetic staged appearance to shame. I loved it that Hillary delivered an honest, passionate speech without mentioning that BO has any qualities to be POTUS. The CNN interview with the floor delegate was wrenching but exactly right on. Only difference (and I hope this woman thinks about this later) is that I will gladly vote for John McCain and have no fear of his handing over our country to Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers or any other assortment of crazed leftie radicals. We need to create the place for Hillary for 2012. Now more than ever we need Clinton centrist policies in the WH.
    Out of curiosity, I checked into Huff & Puff. It is still so ugly and hateful toward both Hill and Bill (and didn’t you love the big grin he gave when Hillary mentioned their 8 years? Seems like no one else wants to be reminded). It is beyond belief that, as generous as she was, all they are talking about is the end of the Clintons, put them in the past, blah, blah, blah. Truly the lowest of the low.

  340. She may not have become an astronaut…but…LIKE TANG…Orange Hillary sent me to the MOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!

  341. Al Sharpton has sharp words for both Hillary and Bill Clinton

    Rev. Al is not happy with the Clintons.

    With the Democratic National Convention abuzz with anticipation over Hillary Clinton’s speech to it tonight, civil rights activist Al Sharpton says she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, cannot afford anything less than an extraordinary effort to help Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy …

    Otherwise, Sharpton warned today, their reputations within the party — once sterling — could be permanently tarnished.

    “It can damage their legacy in the long run if they don’t get a grip pretty quick,” Sharpton told The Times

    h t t p : / / latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/al-sharpton-has.html

  342. Yes, Berkeley, that was a really interesting insight of Buchanan. He realizes the depth and strength of the emotion–how love and politics intersect. He compared her to Bobby Kennedy and Barry Goldwater in terms of the “following” and it is clearly not the kind of cult like following.

  343. These black leaders better shutup, because they can screw up everything Hillary did tonight. I was pist listening to Ford tonight, he just would not give her a compliment over her speech, he kept going back to MO and her wonderful speech!

  344. marie3548, I knew they were going to start in, I am sure the republicans are now scared after that speech that Hillary gave.
    If the black leaders shutup and compliment her the party will unite and the republicans are going to go for the throat now!

  345. Fox: close working relationship on Annenberg Foundation between Obama and Ayers. Dismisses BO claim that he was “just some guy in the neighborhood.”

    Any suggestion that BO has not been straight with people about the closeness of their association?

    Kurtz: this was a very small Foundation. This was a Foundation being built from scratch by a very small group of people, and BO and Ayers were part of the core group, working very closely.

  346. Any bounce Obama has Friday morning will rapidly evaporate when Mccain names his VP on Friday to steal Obama’s thunder heading into the Rep convention.

  347. I am attending the students for McCain meeting thursday, although I am not thrilled to be doing so. Just curious, not active.

  348. Stanley Kurtz on Greta on Fox talking about the Ayres/Obama connection and says there is much much more to it than has been reported by media.

  349. I’m stealing the play-by-play from another blog:

    Kurtz makes the connection between Ayers giving Obama the position on the Board, and then he directed funds to Ayer’s educational programs and his “radical associates.”
    “The media hasn’t been paying attention to this, and it points in some bad directions. It’s already clear that this new information is worse.”
    What we’ve seen today looks really bad, and it reinforces some of our worst fears.
    Here we go folks…
    New info. coming up re: anger of Clinton supporters. Weee!

  350. Lets see if the little militants can keep their mouths shut and get in line and unite the party, my guess, the won’t. I am sure Clyburn will open his mouth and not give her her due respect!!

  351. Hillary did not persuade me to vote for nobama, but if pelosi, dean , kerry, kennedy, reid and brazille all resign in shame after hearing that very presidential woman this evening I will consider staying home. I think that is the only way I would not vote for McCain.

  352. honestly, I never thought I would say this about a democrat… but I can’t wait for the Repugs to take Barky down and tear him apart. He absolutely deserves it for disrespecting Big Dawg and Hillary so much!

    What goes around, comes around!

  353. confloyd ,

    why do we want to be ‘united’? I hope those thugs keep on irratating Hillary supporters more and more in the coming days…

    To defeat bambi at any cost is our priority

  354. It doesn’t seem to have affected how Hillary voters feel about NoBama on the blogs:

    The DNC will have not only buyer’s remorse, but will regret the day they F__CKED with the Democratic base, which is US.

  355. h t t p : / / elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/

    Ayers Unrepentant for Radical Group’s Violence in 1960s, 1970s

  356. IMHO her analogy to Harriet Tubman was a Trifecta.

    The three purposes were ofcourse, for the Democrats to keep going past the Republicans.

    The deeper meanings were then TWOfold.

    She HONORED the AFRICAN-AMERICAN STRUGGLE that she witnessed in the 50’s and 60’s. She was telling them I AM NOT A RACIST.

    Most importantly, though, she was telling HER SUPPORTERS TO KEEP THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  357. Kostner, I am just so tired of the demonization of Hillary, right now and at this point I want to watch a station that liked her speech. No I am not voting for Obama, but I do want to listen to positives things about her speech!

  358. I am thinking and pretty sure that contempt on michelle’s face was because Hillary DID NOT give the “APPROVED” speech 😀

    NObama! NOvember!!

  359. OK, Hillary 2012 which means we have to defeat this bastard soundly even if it means voting for McCain now. We have to rid the party of those characters who have installed that nincompoop there (what a difference looking at her and that unprepared hack.)
    ———————————————
    unless the superdelegates do their job.

  360. filbertsf – i think Obambi is on Thursday night…. I plan to watch for 2.3 seconds. That’s all I can stand.

    Tomorrow night is Biden and Big Dawg! Can’t wait to see what Bill says. Biden will be a snoozer….

  361. I disagree with Susan on Greta. I’m not as likely to vote for McCain IF he picks a female VP. It’s not a female as much as it is HILLARY. To have some other woman who has not fought the fight, worked so hard as Hillary as the first female VP does not feel right to me. It feels almost like a insult to have a woman other than Hillary as a President or VP.

  362. curiosityhasme Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 12:25 am
    IMHO her analogy to Harriet Tubman was a Trifecta.

    EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS!!!!

  363. For all those assholes who thought we could have replaced Hillary with Sebelius or McCaskill, just contrast and compare the speeches. THere is no comparison, they are small potatoes compared to Hillary!

  364. KEEP THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD GOING FOR US INVISIBLE (TO THE DNC) PEOPLE. FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING …………….CHOO CHOO….CHUG CHUG…..THE LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD…..I THINK I CAN…I THINK I CAN…I THINK I CAN……………………………….

  365. I pray the sd’s and the Hillary delegates prevail tomorrow and give the real winner the winnings. THere is still time to save this country Super Delegates!

  366. I’ve just woken up and spoke to a few people and this speech may have had the opposite effect it was supposed.

    It was so good, that it clearly showed Clinton should have been the nominee, or at least vp and that she was screwed over for no reason. People are even more furious.

    I am saying this for the last time. FUCK YOU OBAMA for what you did to Hillary may you burn in hell.

  367. Why do people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton think they are relevant to the Dem party? They’re demagogues and relics of the past.

    That Sharpton quote posted by Berkeley pretty much tells me that Hillary pretty much has a gun to her head. If BO doesn’t do well, it’s not because he’s an empty suit. It’s Hillary’s fault.

  368. Well, I guess we had some gawkers, I could not get on for about 5 minutes. THe bots are looking to see what we are saying. We are saying “IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HILLARY”.
    I will never forgive the DNC for doing this to us, she is Presidential, he just have a speech!

  369. An idiot said to me today that if Hillary doesn’t do all she can to quell her supporters and help BO win, that he will never forgive her and will never vote for her. It’s the same argument made by Sharpton.

  370. Confloyd, i could not get on also.

    Anyone see Bill Richardson tonight? Maybe he will be there tomorrow

    No Bama Never

  371. There is no way I will watch Princess Obama and his teleprompter reading (any chance the teleprompter gets loaded with the wrong speech?)

  372. I just got home from work, and caught the tail-end of the c-span review of Hillary’s speech. Most of it was positive, but 1 or 2 of the reviewers thought she could of done more. HUH? I have been reviewing the pbp, and thank all of you for blogging about the speech. As I type this, the speeches I hear in the background, are not inspiring, whatsoever. Every other sentence is BO this, BO that, change, hope, etc. SOS. No one remembers what Mark Warner talked about. I did see a brief clip of Hillary complimenting MO, whose face suddenly changed from a scowl into a fake smile.

    The undemocratic party is lost, and is throwing this election away.

  373. Oh and by the way, that’s how you make a speech and don’t fuck it up, you dnc boys , pelosi, biden and Obama could actually learn something.

  374. neetabug, I already know what Richardson is thinking.

    Richardson: I betrayed old friends and traded my soul just to be a VP candidate and all I got was this Convention speech no one will listen to.

  375. Are you guys planning to watch Obama’s speech tomorrow?

    Nope. I , like alot of other people it seems, have made other plans for the evening.

  376. She is an American Leader
    not an American(?) Idol. Big difference.

    It is too bad that Obama didn’t have the brains or the instinct to put her on the ticket. What a self absorbed insecure flawed fool he is.
    If he was smart he would ask for a re-do. Oh wait no re-do’s.
    guess bambi has two days to bring his A game.
    Hope he doesn’t look like he is watching a tennis game while making his case why he should be President of the United States.
    good luck bambi.

  377. I have my new battle plan – taken from the WOMAN who led her people to FREEDOM- Harriet Tubman:

    If you hear the dogs, keep going.

    If you see the torches, keep going.

    If they’re shouting after you, keep going.

    Don’t ever stop. Keep going.

    If you want a taste of feedom, keep going.

    Even in the darkest of momeent, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

    from top story on Hillary’s speech – realclearpolitics

  378. townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/08/26/another_radical_obama_association

    Another Radical Obama Association?

    Old videos appear to show a radical Muslim named Khalid Al-Mansour helped Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama gain acceptance into Harvard Law.

    Civil rights activist Percy Sutton recalled being solicited by a man named Dr. Khalid A-Mansour to write a letter of recommendation to help Obama gain acceptance into Harvard Law in this undated television interview available HERE.

    “I was introduced to him [Obama] by a friend who was raising money for him and the friends name was Dr. Khalid al Mansour from Texas,” Sutton said. “He is the principle adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was ‘there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there because you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?’…I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I sure hoped they would treat him kindly.”

    There are many videos available on the internet featuring a man named Khalid Al-Mansour, who describes himself as an author, scholar and businessman, blasting the Jewish culture and Christianity and preaching the virtues of Islam, reminiscent of the controversial clips discovered of Obama’s longtime friend and former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright that rocked headlines earlier this spring.

    In one of the videos, titled “Christians Designed Discrimination” uploaded by a YouTube user named IslamStudios, Al-Mansour said, “White people don’t feel bad, whatever you do to them, they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.”

    He also draws lines between whites and African Americans. “The Christianity that white people got and the Christianity that black people got was not the same,” he added.

    In this video, Al-Monsour said white people fear Islam. “The whites are saying we can’t take over Islam, we are going to destroy it. They don’t care if you become a Buddhist, they don’t care if you are a Confuscist, you can be a Christian, you can be anything in this world you want, the only thing they are afraid of is Islam because there is 1 billion 200 million, they don’t want you with that league!

  379. OMG, I just keep hearing excerpts of her speech, she is so great. THe media’s hands are dirty is this, they pushed her out and manipulated the voters and Obama used that and capitilized on it and cheated at every corner. HE IS A FRAUD!!

    I think most certainly she decided that she will run again in 2012, she knows Obama is not going to win, and she is trying to heal the party.

  380. Are you guys planning to watch Obama’s speech tomorrow?

    No Way. I don’t want to hear him period. When his ads come on TV i turned the channel

  381. if mccain offers us fiorina, its better than what obama is offering us…

    i wont turn up my nose at her. she aint no hillary, but i’m pretty sure she had to work her way up the ladder just as the rest of us have…

    obama on the other hand, NOT SO MUCH…

  382. DEFIANT Hillary Clinton loyalists marched through Denver today to vent anger at the outcome of the bitter Democratic primary race in a final show of support for their beaten idol.

    Just hours before Senator Clinton was to address Democrats in a speech that party officials hope will heal the schism caused by the nominating battle, more than 1000 supporters of the former first lady paid vocal tribute to her campaign.

    Despite the calls for a unified front heading into November’s presidential election, it is clear that some of Senator Clinton’s supporters will never be able to forgive Barack Obama for his hard-fought victory.

    “We’re here to say thank you to Hillary and to protest the fraud perpetrated on us by the Democratic National Committee,” said Geoff Clunas, 51, of Seattle.

    “It wasn’t a contest, it was a foregone conclusion. They (the DNC leadership) just decided that Barack Obama was going to win.”

    Mr Clunas, a life-long Democrat, said he would boycott this year’s election because of the perceived unfairness of Senator Clinton’s defeat.

    “It’s going to be the first time since 1976 that I haven’t voted. I just don’t trust Obama. I think he’ll do more harm than good.”

    Laurie Long, a 49-year-old human resources director for a Los Angeles non-profit organisation, said she felt betrayed by the leadership of the Democratic Party and did not trust Senator Obama.

  383. a blogger on river daughter tonight said hillary wore Orange to say FU to Kos…… not sure i believe it but it is a amusing thought none the less LOL!!

  384. Bill is speaking tomorrow and the guy who ran as vp and lost in 08. Bambi will be issuing bromides and platitudes on thursday

  385. what I always liked about Hillary’s speeches, and particularly this one tonight, Hillary talks about helping us, the invisible people. She doesn’t make it all about her, like the Chosen One does to pump up his fragile ego. He will never get it. That’s why he will never be POTUS.

  386. just saw this on a blog and if this is happening all over america, Shrek is screwed.

    “My mom’s all for Hillary after that. She watched the speech she made and felt disappointed she isn’t nominated and feels she was completely swindled out of the nomination. I asked her if she was going to vote for Barack, as a result of the speech and she said “I don’t know. I don’t really like him, I wanted her.” She is now either not voting or actually voting for McCain just so he isn’t elected.”

  387. idunn,

    i havent made other plans,
    but i’m quite sure i can find something
    worthwhile to do…

    i am no longer a democrat,
    so i wont need to watch the rest of their
    convention…

  388. What do people want Hillary to do? Sharpton and his ilk. What do they want her to do??? I don’t think they would be happy, if she licked BO’s boots. These people are over the top, and they need to get a grip.

  389. I have no doubt that O is going to lose this election, and lose it bad. I think people need to understand that a vote for McCain IS a vote for the Democratic Party, and that vote is the only hope it has got.

    No, I won’t be watching O’s speech.

    Tonight, this Nation saw Hillary Clinton. This Nation, tonight, will fall in love. She is up there with Bill!

  390. No mistakes in her speechs, she doesn’t introduce people in error. Obama doesn’t know what town he is in or what posititon he is running for! He is a joke!

  391. No Shit Sherlock

    Why Obama looks vulnerable

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc529668-729e-11dd-983b-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

    The Democratic party will whip up some euphoria in Denver this week. But a dark cloud of anxiety hovers over the party convention.

    A horrible truth is beginning to dawn on the Democrats. Barack Obama is not the “once in a generation” political genius they thought they had discovered. On the contrary, he is a weak candidate for the presidency.

    With a feeble economy, an unpopular war and the Republicans in disarray, the Democrats should win the presidential election in a canter. But Mr Obama, the Democratic nominee, is neck and neck with John McCain, his Republican rival. For sure, Mr Obama has some real assets – intelligence, grace, good looks, star quality. But history suggests that he is a very risky candidate.

  392. Breaking news story on FOX tonight re, Ayers and Anneberg Challenge. Hope PUMAS and delegates saw it. I did not the watch the show but here is some of the background information on subject:

    William Ayers, founded a domestic terrorist organization called The Weathermen. In 1971 Ayers bombed Washington DC and along with his girlfriend Bernadette Ayers became one of the FBI’s most wanted fugitives. Obama met him years later. By then he become a college professor. Obama launched his own political career from Ayers home in 1995. Obama chaired the Annenberg Challenge whose mission was to improve public education in Chicago. As chairman of this group Obama funneled $110 million to politically useful groups including Fidelists and Maoists who like Ayers were working to make public schools indoctrination centers for the left

  393. curiosityhasme Says:

    August 27th, 2008 at 12:48 am
    I have my new battle plan – taken from the WOMAN who led her people to FREEDOM- Harriet Tubman:

    If you hear the dogs, keep going.

    If you see the torches, keep going.

    If they’re shouting after you, keep going.

    Don’t ever stop. Keep going.

    If you want a taste of feedom, keep going.

    Even in the darkest of momeent, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

    from top story on Hillary’s speech – realclearpolitics
    ******************

    This to me was the biggest SHOUT OUT to Puma’s tonight in her speach…..I was entranced by her facial expression while she delivered it…..I couldn’t take my eyes off her tonight and i highly doubt anyone did… I hope and pray for a miricle in Denver!!!

    This country, The world ……me and my family you and yours….. we NEED THIS WOMAN!!!!

  394. Perhaps we need to fuel it around the country that Hillary’s running in 2012 and make sure every womens group knows that if Obama is elected , she can’t and knows where to vote to make that happen.

    Lets just agitate the fuck out of this.

  395. Moononpluto, the stupid democrats believed what the republicans have been saying about Hillary for 16 years and they are now going to lose!

  396. I’m not refusing to vote for Obama out of spite, I’m refusing to vote for him because this job is above his pay grade. If the Democratic Party wanted me to vote for a democratic candidate, they shouldn’t have helped the lesser qualified candidate win this election.

    So, HRC’s speech , while wonderful and passionate , will not move someone like me. Sorry…country before party. I DON’T TRUST OBAMA. PERIOD.

  397. Somebody better clue Mr. Sharpton in that it is bambi’s turn to step up to the plate.
    Hillary already hit her home runs for this game.
    It is bambi’s turn at bat.

  398. Who wants to lay bets that now Hillary has done her bit, Bill might just use tonight to stick the knife, i’d pay to see that.

  399. Idunn Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    I’m not refusing to vote for Obama out of spite, I’m refusing to vote for him because this job is above his pay grade.

    DITTO! What Idunn said! Yup. Hammer meet nail. Rinse and repeat. ‘Nuff Said.

  400. My new response to the Supreme Court scare tactic
    Wright
    Ayers
    Rezko
    Michelle
    Ludachris
    soros
    Odinga
    et al

    yeah i trust this mans judgement to appoint someone to the highest court

  401. Al Sharpton
    Read my lips Tywanna Brawley.
    That man caused a huge amount of pain and should have been finished then.

  402. Hehe, fun. Submerged Hatred.

    This Democratic convention has a vibe so weird and jittery, so at odds with the early thrilling, fairy dust feel of the Obama revolution, that I had to consult Mike Murphy, the peppery Republican strategist and former McCain guru.

    “What is that feeling in the air?” I asked him.

    “Submerged hate,” he promptly replied.

    There were a lot of bitter Clinton associates, fund-raisers and supporters wandering the halls, spewing vindictiveness, complaining of slights, scheming about Hillary’s roll call and plotting trouble, with some in the Clinton coterie dissing Obama by planning early departures, before the nominee even speaks.

    At a press conference with New York reporters on Monday, Hillary looked as if she were straining at the bit to announce her 2012 exploratory committee.

    “Remember, 18 million people voted for me, 18 million people, give or take, voted for Barack,” she said, while making a faux pro-Obama point. She keeps acting as if her delegates are out of her control, when she’s been privately egging on people to keep her dream alive as long as possible, no matter what the cost to Obama.

    Hillary also said she was happy about the choice of Joe Biden because he added “intensity” to the ticket. Ouch.

    She added insult to injury by coming out Tuesday night looking great in a blazing orange pantsuit and teaching the precocious pup Obama something about intensity and message. She thanked her “sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits,” and slyly noted that Obama would enact her health care plan rather than his.

  403. dija:

    Just like you, I was transfixed as well watching Hillary’s emotion and determination when whe quoted Harriet Tubman. She completely has the fire in her belly to implement her agenda for America. I couldn’t help but thing of Stephanie Tubbs-Jones and felt like she was speaking to ALL of us through Hillary. You are SO RIGHT – she IS the leader OF OUR TIMES – for WOMEN, FOR MINORITIES, FOR THE OPPRESSED, ALL OF US INVISIBLE PEOPLE…………..

    HILLARY IS THE ONE TO LEAD US OUT OF THE DARKNESS AND INTO THE LIGHT.

  404. moon,

    i talked to a fellow employee, and a manager that
    i admire, and they both said they wanted hillary.
    but the latin woman said she was going to have to
    vote for obama, she said she couldnt vote for a
    republican, and the operations manager, said he
    loved hillary, but is not sure if he will vote for obama.

    so i asked them if they have ever heard of puma…
    they hadnt, so i proceeded to lay it all out for them.

    i told the latin woman, all she needs to do is vote mccain for this election, and than hillary can run in
    four years, and this time, she cant lose.
    i told him all about the rezko ayers thing, and he
    said he heard something about that, but wasnt
    sure what it was all about…

    they both went away smiling…
    they both now have a plan…

    and thats what we must work on now i guess…

    GET THE MESSAGE OUT, COAST TO COAST,
    EVERDAY PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, THEY HAVE
    OPTIONS…

  405. # henry Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Al Sharpton
    Read my lips Tywanna Brawley.
    That man caused a huge amount of pain and should have been finished then.

    Would it be racist of me to say that the AA voters are holding the Dem Party hostage. That is why people like Jackson and Sharpton are still relevant in some circles.

  406. I liked this, from another blog:

    How amazing that the DNC handed the Clintons a pile of absolute rotten sh*t, and they turned it into a golden moment. All 3 Clintons just glowed, and looked so proud of each other. I loved that, you can’t always predict what others will do to you, but you can control how you deal with it. Great message, eases the pain a tiny bit.

  407. skmf12, what you said about Hillary 2012 is my main rationale for voting against BO (amongst other things). However, I’ve been reluctant to say that to people when they ask me why I, a liberal Dem, am not voting for another Dem. I fear that people who are not hardcore Hillary supporter will not understand and will think that I’m banking on something that may not happen. And for them, it’s a risk not worth taking.

    So I just give them the usual reason (which is also very true): BO not qualified. BO no record to speak of and that US is going through a very difficult phase and we need someone with real experience. Now is not the time for on-the-job training.

  408. What I am taking from the speech is when you hear the dogs barking keep going(or something like that)
    well i hear em and I know thier names coward, Pukey, Brazilla, rugburn et al and I am running as fast as I can away from that miuscarriage of democracy.

  409. Henry, what exactly has Jackson done in the last decade or two that earns your respect? I see him mouthing off and accusing everyone and every situation as a racist/racism.

    He’s a despicable person. His son is an ass, too.

  410. I hear a train a comin’.

    SUPERDELEGATES IT IS NOT TOO LATE.

    Nancy, do you like your job? wanna keep it? Do the right thing.
    Teddie, wanna save your legacy? Do the right thing.
    bambi, wanna have a future in politics? Do the right thing
    MSM, wanna remain relevant? Do the right thing

    This is your defining moment in leadership, DO THE RIGHT THING.
    not the expedient thing.

  411. Sharpton and Jessie Jr. are the two who refuse to give Hillary any credit. I have to give credit to Jesse Sr. As much as Jesse Sr. is all about making history…he even knows, like another blogger said…the job is above his paygrade.

    Sharpton is the culprit the way I see it. He keeps everybody stirred up and look at his track record! He is so quick to call for this and that…boycott…etc. He is all about Al, not democracy in the DNC. He wants power and to be the spokesperson for the AA community. He has made contributions, sure, but his word shouldn’t be the final word on everything. Who appointed him in charge, anyway? He even took over James Brown. Geesh.

  412. Henry, AS I rethink what she said about that underground railroad, I thought too, if we want freedom we need to run. I think she was sending us a message, what do you think??

  413. I wonder what the gays thought about her speech?? She never forgets them, the ones backing Obama should feel guilty, she never forgets them!! I love how she incorporated all Americans in all walks of life, she truly amazing!!
    That was a throughback from his saddleback remark!!

  414. Sharpton is the Billy Flynn of politics. If there’s press and publicity to be had and exploited, there’s Sharpton.

    Did Sharpton ever apologize to the Duke Lacrosse team?

  415. filbert,

    yeah i guess its a prickly subject. but i now only
    talk openly with people that are not brain washed.

    i found its pointless to speak to the ‘living dead’,
    i cant help them anyway…

    but, there are many, many people that are conflicted.
    i talk to people and get ‘the lay of the land’ first…
    i introduce the subject, and i let them tell me, how they feel. when i sense they are pumas, and they
    dont even know it, i hook em up…

    its like somebody up thread said…
    its time for our underground railroad.
    time to find those democrats, that are thinking of defecting…

    OFFER THEM A WAY OUT…

    thats the mission.

  416. confloyd… funny that you should ask. I’m gay and when Hillary acknowledged us in her speech, I turned to my partner and said OBambi would never acknowledge us, that jerk.

  417. This election can not be like 2000 or 2004 where 1 state decides it. McCain has to win a decisive victory to finish Obama in the eyes of the party elders.. McCain winning FL and MI would not only give him the win, but would also tell Dean and Brazille to shove it up thier asses!!

  418. confloyd:

    Absolutely her message overlapped and had many meanings. Bottom line: The only way to get to the Promised Land (here on earth, that is) is to stay connected, work covertly to get the job done, and NO MATTER WHAT…..keep going. Our radar is on and our antennaes are up. We’ll do what the Quakers did and provide a safe haven for each other and those who are on our journey to freedom for We, the People…the people Honest Abe spoke of…not Dishonest BHO.

  419. filbertsf,
    the son, I am in complete agreement with you
    With regards to senior, the fact that he has been relatively absent on the national stage does not diminish the positive effect he had by being a relatively viable prez candidate. Ferraro up until recently wasn’t making nat’l headlines. that doesn’t mean her historic run loses any of its importance. Both gave the young who are not going to grow up to be white men validation for the own dreams. (Just a swhame that no one knows who Julian Bond is)

  420. I asked a friend who was a political speechwriter for an evaluation of Hillary’s speech. She thought the speech was brilliant. Hillary was gracious to her colleagues obama and mo. Hillary supported the nominee and mentioned his name many times, but also kept faith with her supporters (which was my concern this morning). There are too many unanswered questions like what is his real name, where was he born, etc. She did lay out her issues including health care, and looked to Barack as a democrat to push for them. Notice she did not give up her delegates in the speech. It is all up to the superdelegates now. She told them to think in terms of what is best for the country. She showed them why they should vote for her, even though she asked them to vote for obama. L hope it works. The statement by MO who I think looks small alongside Hillary should shield her from any criticism. We will see what happens tomorrow.

  421. confloyd
    i am gay. And I expected nothing less. She was the first and only first lady to march in a gay pride parade. She mentions several times in Living History about the gay couple that lived next door to her parents in arkansas and how her father evolved from being a staunch conservative to someone who welcomed thier friendship. Unfortunately many homosexuals will tow the party line.

  422. skmf12, I don’t talk to obamabots either. I don’t think I know anyone who is conflicted.

    my problem is that people know I’m a Hillary supporter so I’m always getting questions about why Hillary supporters aren’t backing BO and such. So I can’t avoid it. I also had to face the gloating by Obamabots.

    There was a period after her concession where I just didn’t want to talk about the election, Hillary or BO. But ask they did. Annoying pricks.

  423. filbertsf
    are you in San Fransisco? If so I am sure your frustration is a million times that of mine. I’m in Pittsburgh and Hill had a lot of support here.

  424. They will never understand that it has been the relentless trashing of Hillary Clinton by the media and the Democratic Party that has us all so irreparably angry.

  425. hwc
    for me it’s not just the trashing it is the fraud that enrages me. If she had lost fairly I probably would just stay home. I am concerned about future generations and for that reason I cannot support the selection of a president by a bunch of people that i would never vote for.

  426. Yup even then he was crap.

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/08/doc-drop-obama.html

    Continuing to follow up on what can be learned of Barack Obama’s tenure as the Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), evaluations of the program during his tenure available on line demonstrate that in his only real executive test, Barack Obama was a dismal failure squandering millions of dollars on education programs which had basically no real effect. They also strongly suggest Obama’s claim that un-repentant terrorist Bill Ayers is just a teacher who lived down the block is an outright lie. The structure and tone of the CAC, addressed in the documents, leave a strong impression the two men had to work together closely over a number of years. Also, as copies of CAC internal documents were given over to the evaluators, any notion that they now shouldn’t be immediately shared with the public is an absolute farce.

    Given Obama’s significant lack of experience, aside from any Ayers connection which Stanley Kurtz continues to pursue, it’s doubtful he’d want America to learn any details behind his obviously failed performance during the one time he was expected to perform as an executive in the real world.

    Obama began his CAC board chairmanship in early 1995, and stepped down from the chairmanship in late 1999, though he remained on the board until CAC phased itself out of existence in 2001.

    These evaluations cover precisely that period of time. At some points the criticism of the organization Obama led is scathing, particularly as it was primarily tasked with giving away millions of dollars….

  427. Guys watch for the msm watershed moment come Friday when Obama has his nomination and McCain his vp, they then go into General election everyone is fair game mode and Bambi’s love affair comes to a swift end.

    Make no mistake, they will do it.

  428. I agree with everything being said right now. Hillary is the quintessential populist, and barack is the consummate I am in it for me elitist. Where populism has gotten itself in trouble in the past was when it was exclusionary, whereas Hillary’s type of populism in open and inclusive. She is the quintessential democrat which is why she could never go third party no matter how badly they treat her.

    I was speaking to a friend of mine who is to this day a Goldwater Republcan. I have been working on him for years about Hillary, and we are now at a point where even he sees much in her to admire. Tonight he reminded me of the 1960 election and JFK’s call to invest in something larger than yourself and he said to me that Hillary has obviously done that. Finally, a light went on.

  429. confloyd
    if you are still here check out the latest thread on puma pac

    blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/27/keep-running/#comments

  430. One question, has anyone seen anything yet after 2 days anything approaching a setting out of policies and ideas or what they are going to do from this convention?

  431. really great post, wbboei. good way to end the night for me.

    However, as for Hillary’s speech tonight, I’m glad you guys all saw a silver lining. I didn’t and still don’t. She just made our job that more difficult. She being so wonderful, articulate and brilliant. Damn her!

    Night everyone.

  432. confloyd wrote:

    Henry, AS I rethink what she said about that underground railroad, I thought too, if we want freedom we need to run. I think she was sending us a message, what do you think??
    ——

    I noticed this also. Hillary gave a spectacular speech tonight, which is why I want her in the White House in 2012. No one in politics today comes close to her level. NOBama, NOVember.

  433. moononpluto wrote:

    Who wants to lay bets that now Hillary has done her bit, Bill might just use tonight to stick the knife, i’d pay to see that.

    ———-

    Yep. I bet he’ll do what she did, which is to give a speech so perfect and gracious on the surface that no one can criticize it, but it will be laced with a few sly winks to Hillary supporters.

  434. Amazing…

    ————-
    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

    Clinton Delegates are pissed. The Clinton National Delegate Network, a grassroots movement of delegates is on the streets of Denver collecting signatures from Hillary delegates. This eleventh hour effort is being organized to ensure that delegates who were elected to represent the voters of each state can and will vote for the candidate they were pledged to.

    The DNC and Nancy Pelosi, the Chairman of the Democratic Convention, are doing everything in their power to make sure that does not happen. With Obama’s flagging support, according to the polls, running neck and neck with McCain, they are very worried that Hillary will get the nomination if a roll call vote takes place on the convention floor. That is why they are making the delegates have a secret hotel vote, instead of the floor vote that’s been done since forever. The hotel vote will purportedly take place on Wednesday morning, August 27, 2008.

    However, there is a DNC rule that says if 20% of a candidate’s delegates sign a petition for a roll call vote, it must happen. This means that Hillary needs 826 of her delegates to sign this petition. I visited their headquarters along with BettyJean, Pagan, Hill08, and BrendaLynn. As we set out on our mission, we got three signatures in less than one block. They headed for the Pepsi Center to collect more, and got about 40 in an hour, and I came back to Puma Headquarters to blog. Last word I got was there were over 400 signatures gathered.

    Pagan reports that he talked to a delegate who originally supported Hillary. The delegate declined to sign or divulge the delegation he was from. He said he would vote the way his state party told him to vote and that Terry McAuliffe had instructed them in how to vote. When Pagan asked if he’d mind sharing what that way of voting would be, he also declined, and then just turned his head and refused to engage in the conversation anymore.

    Delegates have reported to us that Obama supporters are stationed outside of each delegation’s room with clipboards, ready to make sure that once again, despite their best efforts to represent their constituents (approximately 12,000 voters per delegate in the case of primaries, and 585 in the case of caucuses), that Hillary delegates and voters are ROBBED of their democratic rights.

    As recently as this afternoon, we knew that the hotel vote would take place in each delegation on Wednesday morning, and that Hillary would have a special luncheon with her delegates at 1pm. Rumor had it that she might release her delegates then.

    However, we have an unconfirmed report coming from someone inside the Pepsi Center that Hillary Clinton will make a special announcement tonight during her speech. Although I’m ever the optimist, call me paranoid: Will she try to pre-empt this grassroots effort by releasing her delegates tonight?

    I can’t even imagine the pressure she is under by party leadership. We even heard that President Clinton’s speech would not be televised live in prime time.

    Oh my, is the DNC running scared or what? We need divine intervention. If you’re a praying person, give it your all.

    Please Note: I don’t mean to cut in on LadyBoomer’s brilliant post but Sheri Tag says that NO WE WON’T will be on after Hillary’s speech.

  435. Mike Murphy, the peppery Republican strategist and former McCain guru.

    “What is that feeling in the air?” I asked him.

    “Submerged hate,” he promptly replied.
    ——————————————–
    McCain is lucky to be rid of this guy. The story here that the media refuses to print is the electon was stolen. That is why people are mad.

  436. Well folks, I just watched Hillary’s magnificent speech, and I am speechless. She not only hit a home run, she hit it, out of the park. It is her best speech, and she has had several that had me in tears. Our country needs her light and direction, and I will keep fighting for her. BO really does pale in comparison. She covered all the bases, and the critics need to take some meds, and get over themselves. The Big Dawg was busting with love and pride for Hillary. It was wonderful to see. I’m glad I stayed up past my bedtime. It was worth it. She made history tonight.

  437. Strange things are happening in Denver…

    —–
    Obama camp mulls shortened roll call
    By: Amie Parnes and Ben Smith
    August 26, 2008 07:59 PM EST
    politico.com

    The Obama campaign is considering an abbreviated roll call Wednesday that would allow Democratic convention delegates in Hillary Rodham Clinton’s strongest states to support her — and is mulling a plan to let delegates vote by secret ballot, according to those familiar with the planning.

    The shortened roll call, which would avoid a time-consuming state-by-state canvass, would be quickly followed by a motion for all the delegates to nominate Barack Obama for president by acclamation or, under another scenario, secret balloting. The deal could be announced as early as Tuesday night, the Democratic sources said.

    Clinton, who spent the day planning for Tuesday night’s prime-time convention address, has said she would vote for Obama on the first ballot, but the senator has told delegates from her home state of New York that they were free to make their own decisions.

    The Clinton campaign, represented by aides Cheryl Mills and Minyon Moore, have been in talks with the Obama team since both camps agreed last week to permit Clinton’s name to be entered in nomination.

    But the decisions are being made by Obama’s campaign, led by campaign manager David Plouffe, largely without consultation, Clinton aides said.

    On Fox News Tuesday, former Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson, who’s still close to the former first lady, bridled when asked about ongoing “negotiations” over the vote.

    “It is not a deal, and it is really not negotiations,” he said. “There are conversations and good dialogue. But at the end of the day, this is going to be Sen. Obama’s decision. … It is not a negotiation. This is Sen. Obama’s show.”

    Clinton’s staff is “waiting to hear from the Obama campaign on what the exact configuration will be,” said a person familiar with the negotiations.

    An Obama spokesman would only say that the mechanics of the vote were still being worked out.

  438. love this line

    Hillary did what Hillary had to do in her speech at the Pepsi Center, and not an iota more. As Marc Antony said at Caesar’s funeral, she did not come to praise Obama, she came to bury him.

  439. From a commenter elsewhere, this sums up Obama nicely:

    Obama has rung a bell of deceit and dishonor and disloyalty that simply cannot be unrung.

  440. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    From a commenter elsewhere, this sums up Obama nicely:

    Obama has rung a bell of deceit and dishonor and disloyalty that simply cannot be unrung.

    They are finally getting it.

  441. Olbermann is getting too big for his boots, he better watch or he’s gonna get sacked, all the other msnbc commentators have got it in for him now and he’s completely jumped the shark.

  442. Hi Hillfriends…Hillary was magnificent…she is simply the best…I love her and Bill…and Chelsea, too

    we have to keep Hill’s movement together…and growing…

    just heard Pat Buchanan say Hillary is like Bobby Kennedy…that her followers are people of the heart that love her…and that love in not transferable…

    you got that right, Pat…

    tonight we witnessed greatness and everyone knows it…

  443. This is a joke right, yup narcissistic would be the word. False god imagery abound, it will be hard not to laugh.

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.

    The stage, similar to structures used for rock concerts, has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos’ National Football League team plays.

    Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington’s Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party’s nomination for president.

  444. Juicy

    The DNC deliberately moved the keynote speech from Mark Warner up because Warner refused to attack John McCain.

  445. could not have written it better

    Story of the night: MICHELLE OBAMA CANNOT HIDE HER CONTEMPT OF HILLARY. If looks could kill . . .

    Well, Hillary is giving more of a substantive speech than anyone else so far. Advocates women’s right and gay rights. Subtly promotes expanded immigration.

    Michelle Obama still wants to kill her.

    Could she have mentioned Barack Obama any less? Geez. She’s mentioned McCain maybe twice. I think she’s only mentioned Obama four or five times.

    This really is not a well delivered speech. But she’s boosting the number of references of Obama.

    Hillary just reminded people of the Clinton years. Clinton sits back and beams ear to ear. The crowd goes nuts. Michelle Obama scowls.

    “He’ll end the war” and “he’ll have a terrific partner in Michelle Obama.” Michelle visibly must remind herself to smile. Whoa. She really hates Hillary.

    Could the applause for Joe Biden in Hillary’s speech have been any less enthusiastic?

    It’s 11:04 p.m. and Hillary is on the 19th amendment and the right of women to vote, thereby sending code to the PUMAs to keep fighting.

    Hillary Translator Fight on women. Fight on. Ignore the whole “elect Barack” stuff. Fight on for your rights.

    Hillary is fired up now. “In America there is no chasm to great . . . no ceiling too high” [except for women who are being shut out of the White House].

    Geez. She threw in the essentials for Obama. She knocked McCain. But the speech was littered with so many references to glass ceilings and women’s rights, I find it hard to believe she is really committed to Obama. And Michelle looked like she could kill Hillary the entire time.
    what did Michelle Obama say at the end? Her lips looked like “I hate that . . . .” Holy cow! (I kid. Her looks killed. Her lips didn’t move . . . much. It did look like she said “I hate” something)

    There was no real praise for Barack Obama in that speech, btw. There was nothing in there. She did not praise him at all.

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