Say It Ain’t So, B.O.

It was a fix plotted in Chicago.

When he was a boy, Chicago White Sox baseball player Joe Jackson had a blister on his foot so he took off his shoe. Thereafter he was nicknamed “shoeless”. In 1919 “Shoeless Joe” Jackson helped fix the World Series.

The fix of the 1919 World series was called the “Black Sox Scandal”. Myth has it that a young gullible fan watching as “Shoeless Joe” emerged from the Grand Jury investigating the “Black Sox Scandal”, cried out to “Shoeless” “Say It Ain’t So, Joe!”

* * *

Any American, particularly those from Florida and Michigan, who lived through the 2008 election cycle feels what that little boy felt back in 1919. Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi fixed the contest by removing the Democratic grassroots voter from the process. “Get out Hillary” became their mantra after the very first contest.

Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi and the Hopium satiated nutroots think the fix will be forgotten. They are wrong.

Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi and the Hopium satiated nutroots think Obama’s lack of qualifications and flip-flop flim-flams will be forgotten. They are wrong.

The truth will emerge.

Script:

ANNCR: She won millions of votes.
But isn’t on his ticket.
Why?
For speaking the truth.

On his plans:

HILLARY CLINTON: “You never hear the specifics.”

ANNCR: On the Rezko scandal:

HILLARY CLINTON: “We still don’t have a lot of answers about Senator
Obama
.”

ANNCR: On his attacks:

HILLARY CLINTON: “Senator Obama’s campaign has become increasingly
negative.”

ANNCR: The truth hurt.
And Obama didn’t like it.

JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.

Obama, the flip-flop, flim-flam con artist from Chicago:

He’s a lot more conventional than advertised. Obama has promised a different and more consensus-oriented brand of politics but more often than not has done what most politicians do: switched positions to soothe voters, dodged the unpredictability of town hall meetings and gone for the jugular when he sees it. The Biden pick — the most important choice Obama has made to date in his public career — was safe and traditional. Two male career politicians from the Senate is hardly transformational. [snip]

Biden, who pulled out of the Democratic race after finishing fifth in Iowa, raised serious questions about Obama’s readiness to handle national security in the primaries. Biden said things like this a year ago: “If the Democrats think we’re going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to [bring to the] table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we’re making a tragic mistake.” That criticism hurt then because it echoed the precise case made by Clinton in the nomination contest. It’s hurting now because Republicans are using Biden’s words against Obama in a new ad.

We are happy that Hillary will not be soiled by association with the Chicago thug machine. But we do not doubt that Hillary Clinton is simply the best. The Daily News wrote it up this way:

Clinton is head and shoulders above the names that have been bruited about as being on Obama’s short list: Sens. Joe Biden and Evan Bayh, of Delaware and Indiana, and Govs. Kathleen Sebelius and Tim Kaine, of Kansas and Virginia.

Clinton has exponentially more support than any of them, as shown by the 18 million voters who cast ballots for her in the Democratic primaries.

She proved herself tough as nails through the long contest, and she outdoes the others in the heft factor.

Endorsing Clinton over Obama in the New York primary, we wrote:

“After eight years at the side of President Clinton and seven years representing New York in the U.S. Senate, she is clear-eyed both about the demands of the globe’s toughest job and about using the power that comes with it. She would try to lead by doing.

“Her celebrity status notwithstanding, Clinton is at heart a worker in the trenches. She has an encyclopedic knowledge of the issues, and her success in the Senate on behalf of New Yorkers attests to both relentless attention to detail and skill at working the levers of power.”

Those thoughts are as true for the vice presidency.

After eight years of President Bush and with the economy in the tank, Obama should be on a glide path to winning, but he isn’t. He is neck and neck with John McCain in the polls, with one survey even showing McCain in the lead.

What he needs is an electrifying jolt of Clintonian proportions. A burst that rallies her wavering, if not alienated, supporters to his side. A bit of fusion that helps Obama connect with reluctant working-class voters, as well as with a broader electorate harboring doubts that Obama has the experience to answer the famous 3a.m. phone call.

Would Biden, Bayh, Sebelius or Kaine deliver Clinton-scale megawattage? Would virtually any other Democrat? Uh-uh. The getting-to-know-you phase alone would dim the lights.

Like many women who excel at their jobs, Hillary was disrespected. Passed over. Hillary must be the Democratic nominee if this is truly going to be a Democratic year. Obama could not handle that comparison or that truth.

Hillary is more than qualified to be president. Obama is not qualified to be president.

B.O. can’t say it ain’t so – because It’s the truth.

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575 thoughts on “Say It Ain’t So, B.O.

  1. You’re up early, admiin!

    I’m bringing this over from the last thread. Lots of other good late night talk there, wwboei and others.

    oklahomahills Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 4:59 am
    I think that ad is not addressed to us, but to those people in denial about what was done to Hillary. It has to be hard hitting to wake them.

    Right. Or those who DON”T KNOW about the dirty work, the slanting of the primaries, BO’s own mistretment of HIllary, etc etc.

    This ‘passing over’ is a big clear fact, inarguable. For people who have been at the swimming pool all summer, it’s a conversation opener, so to speak. A tip of the iceberg of Obama’s disregard for Hillary … and her voters … and her issues….

    Which is wierd, because I’m very glad she’s free of danger of getting stuck with that VP job, or tangled up with BO in any way!

    Even among PUMAs there are some low information people who don’t know what HIllary would have been giving up — her independent career in the Senate — and how little the title VP is really worth, and how constrained she would be there….

    But it’s people of that low information level who need to be reached….

  2. confloyd,

    I think there’s more on Obama’s white grandfather at some of the linlks at ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground

    Sometthing about him often changing careers and locales, and moving them to Hawaii because he was restless and ambitious…. Sounded kind of familioar….

    See what’s at Steve Sailer’s blog (also linked from ironmyvote.com). He’s reading DREAMS so we don’t have to. From the little I’ve seen, it looks like the grandmother had to support the family whille the grandfather and the teenage Obama stayed home playing drama queens. Even to get them to give her a ride to work was a major philosohical issue….

  3. If McCain would nominate a competent straight shooter, preferably Latin, he could make this race about competence.

    The slogans would write themselves:

    Government that Works Again –for all of us.

    Government you can count on

    Govt you can trust

    Then follow up with the many reforms we need.

    Example: did you know that the Immigration Dept has two computer files on immigrants — and they are NOT linked. If you are in the older file, you must write to Washington. They will replace your lost citizenship card in about 2 years! 2 years to run off a computer card that takes 10 seconds.

    Without your citizenship card you cannot get a drivers license. By federal law (run by Dems for the past two years) one state is not allowed to use or even look at credentials from another state.
    So 50 years of citizenship, driver’s licenses, voting, and years of medicare and taxes and social security are USELESS if they were issued in a different state. That’s how the govt is keeping you safe!

    Imagine how many people will welcome common sense in govt. Stay out of the libraries and stop selling ports to Arabs. Strengthen the borders but let me drive.

    Put the grownups in charge. Hillary in particular but someone who has accomplished something as a second choice.

  4. Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look:Shakespeare had it right.It describes and reveals the real Obama under his kingly robes of deception and aversion.Well trained under the mantra of terrorism,fraud,theft,hate,bribery and meriads of false and never to be achieved promises,America has become the new breeding ground for the evil power merchants around the world.Without even an once of effort and honest vote casting,this lone,overly ambitious self loving individual has destroyed our village.Financed and inspired by his mentors,the puppet Barack Hussein Obama has become the our monster from within.Anyone anything that stands in his way will become invisible and toothless.He leaves no prints on the crimes he perpetuates.His supporters are always the guilty ones and described as great and loyal over enthusiastic followers,bribed and inspired by never ending sources of money and never to be fulfiled promises of his “Legacy Of Retrobutions and Revenge”.Spawned and directed by dirty money.programmed by religious extremists and welcomed by the Chicago Dirty Dozens as their great White/Black racist ChANGE and HOPE Leader.OBAMA you now have perfect VP mouth that roars to disperse your evil agendaBiden has at last realized his illusive dreams of a seat in the White House.He has sold out his friends,his fellow senators and his principles to be able to go out in political glory in the hands of his new found young student and later perhaps when the blanket of MSM protection comes off, a new CELLMATE.Corrections and actions must be made and taken Now,TODAY THIS COMING CONVENTION WEEK or it is all over for the good anhard working people of this great country that we call ‘THE HOME OF THE BRAVE AND THE LAND OF THE FREE”.

    “IT WILL TAKE OUR HILLARY TO FIX OUR VILLAGE”

    By ABM90. Inspired and empowered by the sight and sounds of Hillary ,center stage once more in Denver.Dreams can come true.

  5. We have had a lot of discussion, on this site, about President 44. A lot of evidence and a lot of comparison was taken into account during the past year.

    I can’t in any way convinced myself that Democrats, honestly, for their party’s sake, went for Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton as their presumptive nominee. I believe, if their motives were genuine, they have learned enough to reverse that misdeed at the convention.
    If not, what will happen is what we always said: Republicans for another four years.
    I repeat it is either Hillary or the Republicans.

  6. Admin, Good Morning All, sure is getting harder to be first. But then that is a good thing, as the blog is really humming all night long.

    I did not find the ad offensive. What I find offensive is Democrats telling me that Hillary would not want me to OWN MY VOTE.

    It is also interesting to me that in 2000 they were outraged at the Reps because they won the White House, and Dem won the popular vote.

    Now we see them do the same thing, and they act like we are stupid.

    I use to think the Dems were better, but no more.

    I OWN MY VOTE.

  7. Well, I have now view both ads. The first the Hillary ad, I did not find offensive.

    The one listed above, of course was bringing out all the things in Os background. Some might think that unfair. However, growing up I was told that you needed to always live with the truth. All of that was the truth, and O needs to own it. I think if he did own it more, he could probably negate its effect on people. It is the fact that he does not own it that it can be used against him.

  8. Gezahegn

    I agree totally. There is no way they can say the DNC did not see what was coming.

    I also know that some of the the Hillary Delegates are in email contact with each other. As to whether it is 100% I do not know.

    However, I wonder if there are those that signed up or indicated O who have the courage to change at this point.

    In the pit of my stomach, I would feel very sick at this point is I were an O SD.

  9. Great article, Admin.

    I caught the discussion in the previous article about the pro’s and con’s of McCain picking Romney. I think Rob Portman would be a far better choice, here’s why:

    1). He helps anchor Ohio, and has ties to Michigan, another crucial battlegroup state.
    2). He’s a conservative (though not over the top) and who lend reassurance to that repub voter block, who eye McCain with a bit of suspicion.
    3). Portman was the director of OMB, so he gives McCain creds on the economy hole.
    4). He’s a solid environmentalist (for a repub), so he helps shore McCain in that area as well.
    5). He’s young, handsome , and an extremely articulate speaker.

    The only drawback I can see with Portman on the ticket, is that he’s HUGE in the Bush camp. But you know, I’m starting to think that won’t matter anymore.

  10. Idunn
    I like the woman from ebay. and I think they could do a great spoof on supers being bought by poopsie and waffles using a faux bidding

  11. meiyingsu Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 8:20 am
    GOP new attack ad
    ——————–

    holy crap. the blitzkrieg begins.

  12. GOP new attack ad

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXSlBjiKioY
    *****************************************************
    The GOP need to be careful on attacking Obama on being a muslin. My problem with Obama on this issue is the secrecy and the lying over this issue…just like his middle name Obama doesn’t STAND UP and defend his name…He want to blend in or he ignore but use it in secret. That is a weak move…even if he grew up with both foot in each he should be proud of it and stand up.

    That’s why I kept using his complete name because I wanted to see how he would defend his name but all he did was run away from it to the whole world but uses it when it is will benefit him. That’s the easy way, the chicken hearted way. If you don’t STAND UP to defend your name how will you defend this country?

  13. Hillbuzz is saying that CNN reported this AM that the Obama campaign vetted John Edwards for VP. Wow, if that is true, there is a classic GOP ad in the making…

  14. Yep…the GOP needs to dump that stupid “muslim” attack, pronto, and never look back.

    All it does is play to the hateful, divisive belief that being muslim is synonymous with being a terrorist. Do some americans believe that? Unfortunately, yes. But I can’t support any politician who uses religious persecution and hatred to win the ignorant vote.

  15. carbynew Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    …”If you don’t STAND UP to defend your name how will you defend this country?”
    That is a good question.
    Answer: Obama is a punk. He depends on others to fight his battles
    for him. He cannot even defend his own name or history.

    I must say again that this blog is my lifeline in an otherwise incredulous
    political nightmare.

  16. i am with Idunn with the anti anything that is not christian attack mode. I say no and stop it now. I will vote for McCain but not if he lets this poison go unchecked. In my book it is no different than the DNC ignoring the blatent misogony of the primaries.

  17. I don’t see anything in that “muslim” youtube that says it’s a GOP ad? Looks like some private group to me. Idun, I agree, that “he’s a scary muslim” is a STUPID approach. But I also agree with carbynew that it’s pretty obvious that he was a muslim (to some degree) as a child. That is not any problem whatsoever in and of itself. The problem is that he has tried SO hard to DENY and COVER IT UP.

    He could have headed this off long ago if he’d just been very upfront and matter-of-fact about it, instead of this silliness of screaming RACIST every time anyone uttered his middle name. If he and his campaign had uttered that name themselves for the past 7 months, said “yeah, I was raised muslim in part by my 2 dads, but it never really stuck” like it was no big deal, it would have been a yawn of a non-issue by now. But the idiots took the opposite tack and made the entire subject taboo.

    When you try to cover stuff up, even if it’s INNOCENT stuff, all you do is make people suspicious what you are hiding. I think the ad is crap, but it might be effective with some – and that is partly Obama’s OWN stupid fault.

  18. The one line i keep seeing everywhere

    Let’s see….

    Biden got 9500 votes for his nomination.

    Hillie got 18,000,000.

    Yup, Biden makes perfect sense.

  19. Hillbuzz is saying that CNN reported this AM that the Obama campaign vetted John Edwards for VP. Wow, if that is true, there is a classic GOP ad in the making…

    ……………………………………….

    So vetting a snake lawyer who had a child with and shacking up with another women while his wife is dying was considered more than the woman with 18 million votes in her back pocket. Yup that fits barry’s moral mantra.

  20. The ads are fair game now;Obama did little to protect himself from ridicule except to threaten [do not go after Michelle, McCain does not know who he messing with, and throwing 20 year relationships under the bus when it became politically expedient to do so, etc.].If being a true American and having American values, or not having those credentials, is not to be in advertisements and talked about, what is? Obama’s failure to address issues like this head on, is of his own making – everyone else knew what fodder all those threats and denials and lack of judgment/credentials would make in the general election. McCain, his surrogates, pacs and 527s do not have their hands tied behind their backs like Hillary and Bill had.

    Additionally, those of us who have followed the campaigns since the beginning have a storehouse full of information that allows us to be informed voters, most of the nation do not have this storehouse of information and the citizenry must be informed to every aspect of the primary candidates’ stands, moral compass, values, beliefs and experience or lack thereof. The citizenry must have a broader information base than the “He is the One” ads.

    I say, let the games begin!!!

  21. Whats your bet Edwards was first pick and the NE fucked it up, hence the scramble for Biden. I almost wish the NE had held off until the convention.

  22. Hmm…Edwards was vetted, but not Hillary? This is beyond the pale. The hard-left of the party wants to destroy the centrists. It is time for a new party.

    Another good article, Admin.

    I have mixed feelings about the ads. “Passed Over” was okay, but the background one was too focused on the Muslim background.

  23. What the superdelegates must ask themselves is
    do they own their own vote?
    Do the citizens of this country own their own vote?

    What is at stake here is what will be the new accepted status quo.
    Will it be the predetermined decisions of a few international power brokers, with only the pretext of a democracy?
    Where the citizens have no choice and will have to ‘just get over it’ and fall in line?
    Where thuggery is the new democracy?
    We may be there now, I don’t know.

  24. Obama-Biden: First time in 68 years a ticket with no military experience

    THE OBAMA-BIDEN TICKET IS THE FIRST TICKET OF EITHER MAJOR PARTY IN SIXTY-EIGHT YEARS IN WHICH NEITHER THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY!

    At a time of war, the Democrats give us something the nation hasn’t seen in more than two generations: a ticket where neither of the the running mates ever wore a uniform of any kind.

    And why didn’t Joe Biden serve? He’s a year younger than Dick Cheney, so even more subject to the Vietnam draft. Remember how Democrats reamed Cheney for his “five deferments” during the height of the war as he pursued his education.

    So what about Biden? He graduated from the University of Delaware in 1965, just as the war began to escalate intensively and he would have been exposed to the draft. Instead, he attended law school (at Syracuse University) graduating in 1968– the very height of the war and the Vietnam draft.

    And why didn’t Biden go to war — instead beginning the practice of law and his political career?

    Anyone know why Biden never served?

  25. ShortTermer
    politics may be a free for all but there are tens of millions of people in this country who are of middle eastern descent. Many children. And just as we did not want our daughters/nieces/sister subjected to the virulent nature of the big media attack on Senator Clinton I do not want to see something just as reprehnsible happen towards an innocent minority.On this i WILL NOT STAND DOWN.

  26. Well, one thing I’m certain of, at this stage of the game…I will NOT vote for this democratic ticket. I may write in HRC on principal, I may stay home (doubt that tho), I may vote McCain, or I may even decide to use my vote to give a boost to a third party.

    Right now, I’m just watching and listening and thinking.

  27. Amost certainly Edwards was his guy. Probably from the time he did not finish first in Iowa. Admin was suspicous of the relationship between the two campaigns at or near that time. Trippe of somebody was a suspected conduit.

  28. What needs to be done is shine a bright light on the corrupt ‘Chicago machine’.
    Where innocent and trusting citizens are exploited and used for the benefit of a few, only to be tossed aside and left to freeze in the winter with no options.

    Do we want the Chicago thug politics in the White House?

    We will all be freezing this winter should the Chicago Punk become
    President of the United States.

  29. moon, he put Motel-6 Edwards on the list, but they claim they couldn’t put her on because of all that BAGGAGE, dontcha know!

  30. Idunn
    I think the longer this progresses I may have to go back to an earier option : Idunn/Okkie atty or should it be Okie atty/Idunn. Fight it out amongst yourselves but be very aware of moononpluto– very very funny and may try and steal a few votes.

  31. Mr. America’s biggest mistake to date was failing [or even pretending] to vette Hillary Clinton; this act alone is unforgivable and should never be forgotten by the American woman. It almost makes one think that he will steal the general election as he did the nomination and he does not feel the need to worry about Hillary and Bill, or us. Oh yeah, remember Donna Brazile told us we were no longer needed or wanted in the Democratic Party. And Howard Dean neatly broke down the two political parties as “White” and “Black.” I guess he thought he needed to draw us a picture.
    Does anyone else think that the Denver convention may be best remembered for its gulags; are the same temporary prisons for dissenters to be used at the Republican convention? I have a visual in my head of little white haired grandmothers and great-grandmothers like myself filling those barbed wire prisons – you know, the ones who are the precinct workers and boots on the ground of most campaigns.
    I’m just sayin…

  32. I’ve heard that the republicans are looking at why Biden apparently has no military service and is possible he did a Cheney which is going to be murder if its true.

    If Biden got married and got his wife pregnant straight away to get deferrments and avoid being drafted, then there will be trouble.

    If Repubs pull this then imagine, Biden avoiding the draft while McCain languished in a POW camp. Media slaughter.

  33. Hey shared this story elswhere today but I feel it worth repeating:

    Sitting in a dive bar last night next to an elderly woman dressed to the nines kicking back rusty nails. She was the personification of dignity. Well nancy poopsi appeared on the TV. To my utter shock she called her the c word. I choked on my beer and looked at her in total dibelief. She looked right back at me and said “what”. I responded i agree but that I thought her language was a little rough. She then told me she was 82 and an MD. So she is qualified to call a “c” when she sees one. She is a huge Hillary supporter and knows first hand about misogony. I hung out with her for several hours until she put me in a cab. Never heard of pumas and says she only uses her computer to play solitaire, but she will look up the site. So everyone keep an eye out for RUSTY NAIL. Funny and smart.
    PS A rusty nail is scotch and drambuie and are quite yummy. But I recommend stopping after 4.

  34. Brace yourself, John McCain. On FACE THE NATION…Ed Rendell, Kathleen Selibus, and the vile Jesse Jackson Jr., McCain is being trashed. They’re on the how many houses thing. Jackson says when McCain locks up his door when he leaves his house each morning he has to struggle through so many keys to find which one of his houses the key fits. Jeez! It’s going to be an “interesting” week. We all knew that BO thought he could walk on water but…

  35. A wonderful article on Hillary and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. They had a real friendship.

    blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/08/hillary_clinton_stephanie_tubb.html

  36. Jesse Jr. is such a jerk. I will never forget that interview on CNN, when he criticize Hillary for “crying.” Said she was crying for herself, and why, didn’t she cry for Katrina. The guy is slime.

  37. Your right, i just read somewhere, he was rejected but funnily still eligible in an emergency, which kind of smacks of bullshit somewhere, oh i bet the repubs look into this a bit closer.

    People pulled all sorts of shit to get out of military service.

  38. Anyone know why Biden never served?
    ————————————-

    some draftees had marriage-parental deferments. don’t know if that applied to Bi.

  39. Southern
    wow I am grossly disappointed in Rendell. The others I actually expected even less, but I though Rendell had a trace of integrity. Guess I was wrong.

  40. I agree that the Muslim ad is distasteful and promotes bigotry.
    It will backfire as democrats will defend Obama as a victim of bigotry,
    rather than expose his own conflicts regarding his past.

  41. ADMIN: my question from last night:

    Here is something I would like your answer to. Maybe its obvious. There was a comment above that the selection of Biden has generated a call to arms among Hillary delegates who were not planning to attend.
    Obviously that is partly because Hillary was neither vetted or selected. But is there a further reason for this namely that Biden is part of the Kennedy/Soros faction that engineered this takeover of the party and the expectaton was that unity meant a sharing of power with the centrist faction through the subordinate position of vp, the centist camp rejected and the appointment of biden has now thrown the centrist coalition under the bus. If that is the case then it is no longer about personalities but principles and principles are worth fighting for. Do you read the comment above that way?

  42. I’m not, the Dems are closing ranks now and it will be disgusting to watch them from now on, as for Rendell, i would not trust him as far as i can throw him, he looks like the kind of guy who would trade sides in a sec.

  43. Jesse Jr. is such a jerk
    ——————————————–
    race baiting scumbag is the best thing I can say about him–and it has the added advantage of being true

  44. Is it true that the only way nancy pepoopsie can lose her position as speaker of the house is if the repugs take back control? Sorry but I would have no problem voting for a rep and letting everyone in my district know that the only way to rid ourselves of that botox tumor is to elect a rep.

  45. wbboei
    the man didn’t stand behind his own father. He disgusts me. Not a fan of Rev Jackson but bambi would be no where had the man not paved the way.

  46. Jackson Jr., Rendell, Selibus were suggesting that HILLARY and BILL has a lot to do to unify the party. They seemed to suggest that after the speeches by them and IF they did it the right way, PRESTO, the party would be united. They also said that BO’s big spectular speech at the stadium should just give everyone those thrills going whichever way to everyone and that should seal the deal.

    I’d never really seen Jackson JUNIOR and was NOT imipressed.

  47. I hope theres a puma there ready in Denver to cut the cord of the teleprompter about 1 minute into the speech.

  48. I had chances to join the mccain group early on. I did not do it because Hillary is the best leader we have in this county. Party affiliation does not mean jack shit to me. The quality of the leader is what counts. The party platform is eyewash. I hope there is some way for Hillary to come out of this on top. But she is not the one to do it–the sds have to get wise–especially those who stuck their necks out and voted for him in districts that went for Hillary. If he loses and/or better still turns out to be ineligibe then many of them may well go down wiht him.

  49. With the exception of the fact that Obama himself has made a mockery of something he should have been proud to admit, i.e. his race, religion preferences, etc. I think that ad is one of the most distasteful I have ever seen. It has no place in this election and even if it wasn’t authored by the GOP, it will definitely tarnish their efforts to win this thing.

  50. Henry, I agree with you somewhat about the religion thing, but when you have pastors putting on campaign events and other pastors endorsing and/or campaigning against and for politicans, it kind of blurs the religion/state lines – seems to me that kind of lets the horse out of the barn. I did not see the ad as downing the religion but as nailing Obama on his disingeniousness and failure to disclose and confront these questions head on without smears and lies. They were saying, “Liar, Liar, pants on fire!” – that was the message I heard. It is important as well to distinguish the parties responsible for the ads, such as whether it is the campaign itself, pacs or 527s or citizen groups.
    I am not familiar with the group that aired this ad, if it is the McCain campaign it certainly needs to own it, but the ad says National Campaign fund, http://www.exposeobama.com and when I went to their website, it stated that the website consisted of a “committed group of conservatives”, was “not authorized by any candidate.” In American citizens have the freedom of speech, not just Obama.

  51. I don’t know why, Bill and Hillary are expected to unite a party, where the leadership has thrown both of them under the bus, denigrated Bill’s legacy, never spoke out about the abuse of Hillary, and minimized her historical run. What pompous asshats! BO is supposed to be the great uniter, let him unite the party. Hillary has always been called “divisive.” Why, would they want a “divisive” person to unite the party. Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

  52. MY TRIBUTE TO THE PUMAS IN DENVER

    Today we are facing a existential threat to our democracy. Traditionally, the Democratic Party was committed to certain principles such as effective government, the middle class and the rule of law. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton epitomizes those principles and she campaigned for them across the country. But she was viciously attacked by Big Media, and the Democratic National Committee rigged the nomination process to prevent her nomination.

    Instead, they have selected, promoted and coronated an elitist candidate over the expressed wishes of a majority of voters. If you want to know why then follow the money. Global business interests support his candidacy; they own Big Media; and they are major supporters of the DNC. They want a president who will continue to pursue free market policies, and they worry about one who might trim the sails a bit to protect the American People. Obama proved his value to them when he announced he is a free trader, and on the many occasions when he voted against the American People and in favor of Big Business. He is their man, and they are providing him with the most extensive marketing campaign in history to deceive low information voters. That is a threat to democracy we cannot ignore.

    But the larger threat is systemic in nature. In the course of this campaign, Big Media, the Democratic National Committee and Obama have introduced ominous tactics into the campaign process which are not in keeping with the traditions of liberal democracy and are more in line with the world of George Orwell. The role of Big Media was to demonize Hillary and to force her out of the race. Thus they attacked her unmercifully, accused her supporters of being racists without a shred of evidence and actively conspired with the Obama campaign. In doing so they crossed the deadline from truth to propaganda.

    The role of the Democratic National Committee was to conspire with Karl Rove to rig the caucus system, to ignore the 2000 voter fraud complaints that ensued, and to disenfranchise the voters of two major states when it counted. Then, they forced superdelegates to select the nominee prior to the Convention, and demanded party unity on their terms with no dissent. Then, they forced Hillary to suspend her campaign and endorse their nominee. They perpetrated a fraud on their own contributors by soliciting money after the nominee had been secretly chosen. The role of Obama was to bamboozle the public and maintain plausible deniability. Meanwhile their Chicago cronies will endeavor to rig the voting machines as they rigged the caucuses.

    This is a threat to our democracy writ large. It falls upon our generation of Americans to fight this battle. Simply put, our D-Day is at hand. We must disperse our forces as we have and remember our mission. We can no more ask Hillary what to do than the troops under General Gavin could ask Eisenhower. Our job is to adapt to local conditions, to improvise, to beware of snipers, to ignore Axis Sally, and above all to carry out our assignments—especially those we assign to ourselves. Then, when the time is right we will consolidate our forces in Denver and launch the final assault. The word in the wind has it that we must be there and there en masse so the powers that be know that we will not go gentle into that good night. For we understand what is at stake: “Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the people have abdicated their duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out high civic office, military command, Roman legions-everything, now restrains itself and hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.” (Satire X by the Roman Poet Juvenal, 1st Century A.D.)

  53. Don’t mean to sound like a broken record, but………..

    Did any news outlet/newspaper – ESPECIALLY in OHIO – call out BHO on his erroneous stating that Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones funeral was yesterday, instead of the WIDELY reported fact that it is NEXT WEEKEND after His Coronation?

    Livid that he could get away with this unforgivable slap-in-the-face to her legacy, not to mention her support of HRC and her huge army of Ohio supporters.

    There HAS to be outrage out there somewhere? The entire OHIO community should be insulted, especially WOMEN and the AFRICAN-AMERICAN communities!

    He must be getting “as usual” media blackout coverage on this huge blunder, but would have thought FOX news would have called him out on his faux pas.

    Anyone else hear anything or read anything about this? GRRRRRRRRRRRR…………

  54. I don’t think it is Bill and Hillary ‘s job to unify the party for BHO. if BHO can not unify his own party how can he be the leader of the country and the world.

  55. Shortermer
    As a 41 year old gay man who takes primary responsibility for a two year old girl every time I heard the vile misogony directed at Senator Clinton. I thiought about my Boom Boom( which is actually short for chicky chicky boom boom) . i knew she was to young to comprehend but to allow such behaivor to go unchecked makes me complicent in those actions. As a teenager who grew up in a steel town I was forced to listen to repeated attacks on homosexuality. Confused scared alone at the age of 14 I tried toknock a radio into my bath tub. the cord fell out and I lived. My point is that I heard so much around me that drove me at that age to want to extinguiosh my own life. The children who are of middle eastern descent I am sure are well aware of the prejudices against them they do not need it validated by a future pres. Sorry had to voicemy opinion.

  56. The answer to that is “why the fuck should be” they threw her overboard, so fuck them, she owes them nothing.

  57. The answer to that is “why the fuck should she” they threw her overboard, so fuck them, she owes them nothing.

  58. Rudy is giving the Rep point of view on George S.’s show. George keeps interrupting him but he’s doing a decent job. Funny when a REBPUBLICAN (even for their own reasons) stands up for Hillary more than her own party.

  59. Obama sure screwed up by not picking Hillary.

    That woman is pure electricity. She is a lightening bolt from the skies.
    She is the reason that this whole season was greeted with anticipation.
    It was always about Hill and Bill.

    Obama is just another boring, double talking two faced politician.
    He offers nothing, and has left a wake of division and rancor among democrats.
    He is easily played and manipulated by the power brokers.
    He is without backbone or principle, offers nothing in the way of real change or enlightenment.

    He will be played by foreign governments as well and as easily.
    We are in for one long cold winter should this fraud become elected.

  60. I’m of mixed feelings on whether McCain should “reject” that ad, though OF COURSE he should do so if asked outright. But if not asked about it? Well then why does he have to mention it? Is it a big thing airing on TV outlets, or just a youtube?

    Lots of really nasty stuff gets passed around during an election, by various groups. Have Obama and the Democrats ever come out and “rejected” every single nasty or smearing youtube of Hillary? Of Bush? Of Cheney? I despise Bush and Cheney as much as the next person, but you can’t tell me that the Left have never attacked them not on policy, but on personal stuff. I’ve seen (and laughed at) stuff put out there on them that would make a hooker blush.

    My point is that if you start down the road of “nasty unfair smears by ANY GROUP that supports a politician must always be addressed and disavowed by that politician”, then you have to hold everyone to the same standard.

    Yeah, despite the fact that there is a valid point in there somewhere, the ad is appealing to religious bigotry, and that sucks. My question is, why is it McCain’s job to preemptively disavow it if not even asked, if no one else is going to be held to the same standard?

  61. Henry, a very dear friend of mine took his life for the very reason you mention in your post.

    I’m no longer able to hug Michael, so I’m gonna hug you instead.

    ((((Henry))))

  62. HillaryforTexas,

    but that “muslim” ad may tell truth of BHO. how can he defend anything if he went to Muslim service with his step-father when he lived in Indoneslia.

  63. Alexrod was on first on George S’s show. Wow! Someone has gotten ahold of him and cleaned him up…nice suit, tie, hair combed, etc. Perhaps the same people who are working on making Michelle into Jackie O are working on him as well.

    But Alexrod still has the residual look of a greasy possum and sounds like one also.

  64. Hillary 4Texas
    Maybe Mccain should set the standard. I take offense to the ad. I think it is fodder for contempt. You are right no one in the DNC stood up for Hillary. But does that mean no one should stand up for anything. Never in my life will I forget, or regret, my decision to walk into a deli;where I had purchased my coffe for years, on september 12 th 2001. It was not easy there were people outside screaming that I was fueling the terrorists. That was on 46th and ninth. I looked in the faces of the men I had known for years and I saw pain. A child watching tv doesn’t need that.

  65. how can he defend anything if he went to Muslim service with his step-father when he lived in Indoneslia.

    What is there to “defend” ?

  66. Idunn
    think about how it must feel for a little one to turn on the tv and see hate spewed in the name of america. I am vehemently against that ad. I think it is grossly irresponsible.

  67. Idunn
    wow my first online hug
    right back at you
    don’t know if you remember many moons ago my niece was distressed that you didn’t have cable and wanted her daddy to send you money. It was prob back in feb or march

  68. Idunn,

    Nothing to defend except for the fact that he has brought this all on himself. He has gone out of his way to misinform about his background. When it should have been very easy and honest for him to just state that he was a Muslim growing up but is now a Christian, he refuses to even acknowledge it. Instead he uses the race card against everyone else.

    That is the only thing I have a problem with. Other than that, I hate attacks that look at race, religion, etc.

  69. My damn cell dropped Norma’s number from my list. If any of you have it, please call her and have her call me back ASAP.

    Thanks!

  70. Henry, thank you for speaking up.
    You speak for millions.

    Wbboi is right, this is a call to arms against the threat to democracy
    as we know it.
    Obama’s biggest threat is his weakness.
    He is neither a democrat or a republican, he is an amoral opportunist
    whose only dependable attribute is his blind ambition for power and recognition. He is the One that we have been fighting against since the founding of this country. It is an injustice to all that have died in war and in the struggle for freedom that we accept this without a fight.
    I refuse to accept the Chicago Combine as the New Democracy.

  71. since when is it hillary clinton’s responsibility to unite the democrat party? where is the great unifier B-HO? where is his magic of working across the aisle? put your money where your mouth is mr. B-HO and show us your powers. the DNC house has ruptured. it’s up to the great leader to fix it.

    who was it that said “if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the white house” ?

  72. JanH
    bambi’s suspect affiliations are one thing. I implore you to watch the video again. I feel that it depicts Islam as negative. My take. Call me out but please watch again. We have all screamed about the fact that misogony went unchecked I don’t believe we should celebrate or endorse religious persecution/stereotypes. We all know how to stand proud so lets do it now with dignity.

  73. Henry,

    I agree with you completely. In my own life I have been discriminated against because of my religion. The difference being that I am not ashamed of what I am and will not back down.

    I’m not saying that this isn’t a horrendous video. It is. What I am saying is that Obama does not get my sympathies here. True Muslims do. And you are right, it does depict Islam in the negative which is terribly wrong. I just blame Obama for lighting the match. jmo

  74. MIDEM
    “and you can scream so scream out loud and don’t let the bastards bring you down”
    – Bono

    inspired by Delmore Schwartz In Dreams Begin Responsibilities(beautiful title)

  75. Janh
    call me simple but i worry about the effect it could have on children. From the parents who watch it and then imbue thier kids with a distrust or flat out hatred. Do you by any chance know the words to the rest of this song—- “When a body catches a body coming through the rye……?
    Anywho we are a bigger better people than that ad. I believe 999.999% of us who have gotten involved supporting Clinton share my outlook.

  76. henry, please don’t misunderstand. Stuff like what you went through makes me heartsick. I am not defending bigotry. And McCain has in the past come out and said that the “muslim” stuff is irrelevant.

    Someone had said McCain should come out and reject this youtube. My point was a political one. Not whether leaders should decry bigotry in general, but whether each individual politician has the responsibility to personally respond to and disavow EVERY instance of bigotry-based or other unfair smears on the part of ANY group of persons that supports them.

    From a practical standpoint, that could become a full-time job, on BOTH sides of the aisle.

  77. This ad merely highlights that he is a liar, and has many secrets. It plays on America’s fear of Muslim’s.
    I don’t care what they use against the ahole, just get him gone.
    Children should not be watching political ads.
    He never cared what the republicans said about HIllary for 16 years because he picked up where they left off, I say show him NO mercy.
    This political season has been nasty and BO has perpuated many negatives on women.
    Their are many black theology muslims, and they are just as dangerous as Osama Bin Ladin, because they hate whites as much as Osama does.
    I say bring him down for America anyway that will work!

  78. H for texas
    but did we not ask that the DNC stand up in the face of misogny. Can we have any credibility if we do not denounce that ad.
    And PS I am not a fan of Nietsche but I do believe in the whole that which does not destroy me blah blah

  79. Henry,

    Yes I am.

    And no one more than I want that ad destroyed. There is a line that should not be crossed no matter what and that ad crossed it in spades.

  80. You know, I am getting more and more pissed off at the constant attitude of both the media AND the Democratic leaders that Hillary needs to do more to convince her supporters to vote for Obama. WTF??

    I could sort of handle the Democratic talking heads urging “unity” on us, talking about OUR “responsibility” to “come around”, because it’s politics, and I understand that they gotta say what they gotta say. I could handle that IF, if for ONE, for ONE FREAKING MINUTE they would also make the OCCASIONAL mention of OBAMA’S responsibility!!

    crickets.

    Anyone hear any of them, EVER, make mention of the fact that OBAMA is going to have to reach out more, make more effort, that OBAMA is going to have to really take it on himself to try to earn our votes???!! EVER????!!! Anyone hear any of these Dem poobahs ONCE place one IOTA of responsibility on the shoulders of the man himself???

    crickets

    Remember when it looked like Hillary was going to win, and the talk turned to HIS supporters? An endless parade of Democrats waxed eloquent on what HILLARY would have to do in that case. How SHE would have to find some way to win back the AA vote. How it would be such a tough job for HER to win over his supporters. God almighty, what a hard and difficult task that was going to be FOR HER.

    But now that the shoe is on the other foot, they think he has no task to accomplish whatsoever. Oh no. Not the Precious.

    His role in this entire debacle is evidently to sit on a fucking beaded cushion and bellow at Hillary: WHERE”S MY HASSENPFEFFER?!! BRING ME MY HASSENPFEFFER!!!

  81. JanH
    learned a tremendous amount about the jewish faith while going to school in philly. I became fascinated by the rituals and history. Funny thing my roommate in the late eighties was a student at Penn her mother is Marjorie Margolies Mezvinsky mother of chelseas boyfriend. Small world.

  82. birdgal – thanks for that article about Clinton and Tubbs Jones.

    I’m glad someone said something about this – and it was Clinton:

    As the race tightened with Sen. Barack Obama, Tubbs Jones faced mounting criticism from blacks who felt that she, as a black woman, ought to support his historic bid. Clinton said she offered Tubbs Jones a chance to back out. “I knew there were people who were threatening her and refusing to talk to her,” Clinton said. “I would say to her, ‘You know, you don’t have to be out there for me.’ “

  83. OOPs sorry got quote Neitschze again due to the last post—-

    Courage is not the abscence of dispair, but rather the ability to go on despite dispair.

  84. I think that Obama’s unstable and chaotic childhood, looking to find or make sense of such instability, only to be thrown into the arms of ‘uncle Frank’ and other radicals, has caused bambi to grow up with a sense of distrust for the middle class, and is his dominant personality trait.
    He needs to have an adversary, in which blame his unfortunate and
    unstable childhood. He was never ‘grounded’ in American values or on the solid earth of any country.
    That is why he thinks that radicalism is normal. For him it is.

    He needs a shrink, not the keys to the White House.

  85. Henry, we are in agreement more than we disagree. As a woman, I can understand fully your concern about your Boom Boom, but think about this. Girls of my childhood were “protected” so well that had few choices and little voice in anything, especially politics.I am an avid proponent of teaching our American daughters, not coddling them.I hope that the beauty pageants are soon over.I made a mistake I will take to the grave of telling my daughter that she could be anything she wanted to be and not educating her on what struggles, vileness and oppression those who had gone before her had endured, so she looks at our country through rose colored glasses when it comes to women. I endoctrinated my daughter with the “you can be anything you want to be” mantra, but I forgot to tell her, anything but President, and now I guess Vice President. The world ain’t pretty some times, as you well know.The women of the 60’s thought that the male chavenist pigs were all gone by now that wanted to keep some women barefoot, pregnant, and without a voice in their government.
    Much to their and all American women’s chagrine, they gained in numbers and resolve while we were distracted. Not the America, I want any girl to grow up in. To combat that and other evils, the American daughters must be educated, informed, have a room and coin of their own as well as a say in their goverment. It has now been 219 years and counting that the male has lead our nation; how much longer must the American woman wait to have a little liberty and a say in her own government?

    Further, you will never know how much I identify with the struggles, descrimination, and hatred [often by religious factions]and lack of liberty that the LGBT group has endured, often to the detriment of our nation and progress for America. I honor and admire Matthew Shepherd’s mother.
    I honor and admire all mothers. I am a mother, too, and I want the Norman Rockwell way of life back for our daughters, and sons.

    But as the old saying goes, all is fair in politics and war. As the song goes, we didn’t start the fire but we will not be deterred from putting it out.Obama let the religion questions linger, now he must pay the piper. His religious background is not the only newsmaker, so was Romney’s, JFK’s and others. This is politics, not a Sunday school service, and I shudder to think that squelching freedom of speech or right to dissention would be the order of the day. I do disagree with religion/pastors that put their faith and church at the center of any political campaign and government politics- like Rev. Wright and Warren.

  86. LOL! No, henry, of course not! Sundays are often sporadic with the posting. I need to get off the computer, myself, but am procrastinating doing something productive like yardwork.

  87. # henry Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    have i offended everyone??????
    ———-

    Never. You speak truth, as all the contributers to this wonderful blog do.

    LET FREEDOM RING

  88. henry

    what a sad lament. it reminds me of how horrible adolescents can be to one another. bullying based on ones sexual orientation, religion, color, or maybe just the way someone “looks”. it kind of reminds me of the way bots behave. like adolescents picking on anyone who doesn’t believe in their chosen one. calling us names, spewing their vitriol. of course, as adults, we fight back and most of us just laugh at the “names” we are called.

    i wonder how many kids weren’t lucky enough to have that radio separated from the outlet at the last minute? too many, i’m afraid.

  89. Morning, Hillfriends: just wanted to weigh in on the new independent ad about BHO’s early religious training. I agree that we should not be disparaging ANYONE on the basis of their religious beliefs. People of good will worship in every way on the earth. However, I think that the main point of this ad is to point out that BHO is either ashamed of his roots or afraid that it will affect his electability, so he hides it and lies about it. His dishonesty is the issue. I mean, if there’s nothing wrong with Islam, why hide it? That is what sends the wrong message, IMO. Once again, the DNC and Big Media perpetrated this fraud on all of us – they will have to own it and all the truth that will be uncovered and spun in the next 75 days. To fear the truth or not to fear it is the voter’s choice.

  90. PS – Henry, you didn’t offend me, anyway. Idunn, I agree with you as usual (and with those others) here who think McCain should come right out and denounce the ad. But, BHO also needs to be defeated, no matter what.

  91. Shorttermer
    I said once before that at 40. I had to leave Manhattan due to debt. I was in Pittsburgh and dead. Then two women came into my life one being BOOM BOOM. Who at 23 months knows her ABC’s and can recognize if not read 50 words and the other was Senator Clinton. Slowly I joined her camp and with each day my respect for her grew. When I see a blatant racially charged xenophopic ad I feel the need to speak up. The ends do not justify the means if they negate the genesis of the cause. Just my opinion.

  92. Idunn, Henry, I realize that democrats have nor years stood for the weak, disenfranchized, but that is not true the last couple of years. The DNC took part in a hate-filled campaign against two beloved public servants, when they did that, I think those who conspired with them deserve anything and everything that is dished out to them and more.
    I could care less if we as the “old style democrats” that actually stood for what is right and always took the moral high ground are now covering for BO and his band of thieves.
    The man is a danger to America, if he would lie about his faith, he would lie to the American people. I, as a Christian knows the implecation of lying about your walk with GOD. He is a fraud, a liar, and has very, very, strange and scarey friends. I want the McCain’s and RNC to give him back everything he has dealt to Bill and Hillary. Notwithstanding the assault on Hillary, it is what he has done to our voices, the 18 million of us who voted with our brains. Its is inconcieveable that anyone who has been disenfranchized by this beast and his band of theives would want to stand up for him against anything.

  93. Informed in Illinois Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    ======
    a couple things – if McCain comes out and denounces it, it gives it more play in the media and likely backfire more on the Republicans…so it’s a tricky thing to do. if they let it go, hopefully, it’ll sink by itself. i know that no campaign is supposed to coordinate with the 527s, but perhaps the organization will see it themselves or some bird whispers it in their ear, and they will retract the ad.

  94. I agree that Hillary has done more than her share of supporting the
    (un)democratic presumptuous nominee.
    The reliance on Hillary to bring in disaffected democrats only underscores his own weakness as a candidate and a leader.
    ITS TIME TO PONY UP BIG BOY.
    Stop whining and blaming others for your deficiencies.
    It is not Hillary’s fault if you lose. It is yours alone.

    This is the result of insulting half of the democratic party
    and TELLING THEM THAT YOU DO NOT WANT OR NEED THEIR SUPPORT.
    deal with it, punk.

  95. T-Mac was just on w/Wolf Shithead, saying the SOS.

    No big deal about Veep, Biden’s a great choice, support BO, blah, blah, blah.

    I swear sometimes the ONLY way their overall response makes sense is if they plan for all hell to break loose in Denver.

  96. Clarice Feldman lays out the reasons why the William Ayers/Annenberg Challenge story will seriously damage the candidacy of The One. A sample:

    …the story was that Ayers was an old professor in Mr. Obama’s neighborhood who just happened to host a fundraiser for him in 1995 which launched his political career.

    Some mush was thrown in along the way about having served with him on a charity board, but Obama did not correctly describe the charity or the dates or the extent of their association on it.

    The truth is that the two men worked closely together for years, beginning several months before that 1995 fundraiser. The fund Obama chaired and which was supposed to improve public education in Chicago never met its stated purpose of improving public school pupils’ performance and, in fact, probably hindered it, despite having blown through $110 million in the process. And as chairman of this group Obama funneled this money to politically useful types including Fidelistas and Maoists who like Ayers (now vice-president elect of the American Education Research Association) are working to make our public schools indoctrination centers for the left .

    Once the public learns more of the CAC, will the voters decide that the manner in which Obama exercised his sole opportunity at executive authority was so good that he deserves the keys to the Oval Office?

    Surely McCain is just waiting to drop this one.

  97. lol, Hillarys responses to McCains ad, is hardly a ringing endorsement of Bambi.

    “Hillary Clinton’s support of Barack Obama is clear. She has said repeatedly that Barack Obama and she share a commitment to changing the direction of the country, getting us out of Iraq, and expanding access to health care. John McCain doesn’t. It’s interesting how those remarks didn’t make it into his ad.”

    interesting in what she didnt say.

  98. As long as we are in a war of words with big media and they have their copy of Luntz book with them, we might as well hit back. What set me off on this tangent was the headline stated that delegates heading to denver are “cranky”. That term implies irrational, unpredictale and emortionally unstable. The maggot who came up with that word probably would say the same thing to the patriots who answered the call by Paul Revere. Just another propanda whore.

    But one bad turn deserves another> when they say winner we say cheater, when they say victor we say thief. when they nominee we say pretender–or as the song goes: “Lets call the whole thing off”.

  99. moononpluto Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
    interesting in what she didnt say.
    ——————————–

    don’t ya just love hillary? 🙂

  100. If McCain gets Colin Powell as VP, that’s a real coup for him. But I doubt Powell would accept.

    Also, what did the McCain people say on the morning shows?

  101. That’s my girl! Tell the truth, but don’t grovel or renounce your own self to prop up that man.

  102. Paula, I hope they do. The only ones who get a thrill up their leg over the house issue are the bots who are voting for him anyway, and the chattering classes. I know Joe Sixpack, and Joe Sixpack could give a rat’s ass if the man is rich.

  103. So does that mean all property investors are bad, Donald trump must be a monster, what about John Kerry, the various kennedy mansions, all those popstars, the Queen of England, are they all rich senile bastards too.

  104. moononpluto: damning with faint praise, perhaps. No, she is supporting him unless a majority of sds come to their senses and ask her and ask her to accept. Last time she proceeded on the basis of faith, promises of future action, credit. This time it needs to be cash on the barrel head–or as my dads law professor at USC in the 1930s used to say: whole blade or no trade.

    That said, I have no idea what will happen. No inside informantion. So this is all rankest speculation. The only thing I am banking on here is the law of probability. Plus the metroroligist prediction that the skies will open up and rain on bambis parade. Let us pray.

  105. Funny but if you look at the new logo of bambi, one thing sticks out for me

    O B A M A
    B I D E N

    take a few letters away

    B A M
    D E N

    a little more

    B A
    D

    M E
    N

    now look at the logo again, sticks out like a sore thumb now.

  106. Moon,
    I wouldn’t say that was BO trashing the bible. He talks about taking the bible literally, stoning children if they stray, etc, etc…

    No bombshell there….

  107. MIDem:

    You have his number absolutely.

    BHO has so much ambivalence – rightly so for being dragged all over the world by his (also) screwed up mother and grandparents. He exhibits classic characteristics of a sexually molested child (“Frank”, grandfather?, Jeremiah Wright, who else?).

    The Type B Personality Disorder he morphed into is completely understandable. Grandiosity (Citizen of the World), narcissism (I’m the One We’ve Been Waiting For), pathological liar (Chicago Combine/Operation BoardGames), risky behavior (Rezko, Ayers, Dohrn, Daley, Black Liberation Theology, Soros) excessive use of drugs (Crack, Cannibis, Alcohol, who knows what else?) sex (bisexuality and “down-low” lifestyle – Larry Sinclair, Donald Young, Rev. Wright), money (Kick-backs as way to earn a living and launch political career along with campaigns involved in ACORN and accepting dirty Middle-Eastern money), lack of conscience (Alice Palmer, constituents living without heat in Chicago winter, voter fraud promoted and practiced, treatment toward HRC and us – her supporters).

    The dabbling in drugs – up to and including to this day IMHO, sexual identity and orientation issues, biracial roots, and over-achiever intellectualism has produced this man with multiple personalities. It’s not really Dreams of My Father – it’s HIS dreams.

    Therefore, his history of ever-changing beliefs and convictions comes completely natural to him. Not only is this the result of political expedience, whether trying to validate himself as Mr. Popular at Harvard or keep his Pied Piper following – the fact that his background required that he develop multiple personalities in order to handle the pain from his childhood is why he can’t take a stand and have true beliefs on anything. People who accept him at face value have experienced many of the same traumatic events, and identify with him on a subconscious level. This would include people from his campaign manager, religious associations, and backers (Kennedys) as well. This also follows into the celebrity world obviously – Oprah, for starters.

    The automatic self-defense mechanisms that resulted are what allows him to justify the vast contradictions that surround his “message and myth” vs. his “deceit and dishonesty.” Projection, or blaming others for everything unpleasant he encounters is not only immature – it is his foremost self-defense mechanism. Reaction formation – or elevating Wright, his father and other molesters in his life – is quite common in severely traumatized individuals.

    Really easy to analyze and evaluate this complex man. Unfortunate because he is very intelligent and capable of significant contributions to society. Circumstances beyond his control caused this flawed individual to mentally detour off what could have been a life with unlimited possibilities in career, with healthy judgment and decision-making. Sadly, because of his tumultuous life, this was altered irreversibly.

    Regardless of the tragedy in his upbringing and the subsequent fallout, we do not as a nation or people deserve to have his neuroses and delusions of grandeur destroy our nation, risk our safety on the world stage as he strives to validate his life and existence. With his flawed understanding and warped ability to see the truth and act accordingly, electing him to be the leader of the free world is not an option.

    No thank you.

    NObama NOvember NOr August.

  108. HillaryforTexas Says:

    August 24th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    That’s my girl! Tell the truth, but don’t grovel or renounce your own self to prop up that man.
    ———————————————
    Well said/

    She must be careful to not lash hersef to this guy because when the 60 foot wave hits the deck of the crab boat and sweeps him overboard you do not want to be lashed to him, or standing in the bite of a line. You have got to be good to navigate through this perfect storm and not allow it to destroy you or the party. Forunately, she is very good.

  109. Biden: what a lame, boring, pick. Given the short-list of candidates for the slot, we know that Obama had two options: go with an exciting/risky pick, or a boring/safe. Hillary would have been on the exciting/risky end of the spectrum (and thank God he didn’t pick her, so she doesn’t have to be anywhere near this train-wreck of an election). The problem with the Biden pick is that instead of boring/safe, it’s boring/somewhat risky.

    Biden: no military experience, doesn’t shore up southern votes, doesn’t shore up working-class white votes, doesn’t shore up a crucial state, the guy is a b.s. artist with mediocre academic credentials (contrast with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore for example), and he’s prone to campaign gaffes (as we all saw yesterday… “Barack America!” etc.)

  110. don’t know if you remember many moons ago my niece was distressed that you didn’t have cable and wanted her daddy to send you money.

    We have cable, we just have basic cable. Tell that sweet little thing that money isn’t the reason we live the way we do….we live simply because it’s our life philosophy. 🙂

  111. Biden: what a lame, boring, pick
    ———————————————
    That is the Biden I (we all) know.

  112. Moononpluto – what a find. Shouldn’t this have been circulating before, during, and just after the Rick Warren Saddleback forum? it probably was – I’m obviously not the target audience.

  113. Most of that Bible youtube was rightwing crap, but one beef I DO agree with.

    The Sermon on the Mount is a compelling guideline for individual and societal behavior, correct. But Obama in the clip suggested that our DEFENSE DEPT policy be based on the Sermon on the Mount. He didn’t say we our diplomatic efforts, our outreach to help other nations. No, he specifically said DEFENSE.

    That’s just plain stupid. That part of it may bite him in the ass bigtime, in the “can’t protect the country” department.

  114. I wouldn’t say that was BO trashing the bible. He talks about taking the bible literally, stoning children if they stray, etc, etc…
    ———————————————
    That is right BlueDem. And when that gets old he can turn to Islamic law and start chopping heads.

    He is like that song “Jennie” by Noel Coward (no relation to Howard Dean).

    Chistmas eve she lit the candles tossed the tapers away little jennie was an orphan on Christmas Day, etc–problem was she couldnt make up her mind.

  115. lol….

    ——————
    Biden’s helmet
    By: Avi Zenilman
    politico.com
    August 24, 2008 11:12 AM EST

    It is a fraying, combed-back helmet that barely covers a longtime fact of Washington life: The senator from Delaware has taken steps to preempt baldness.

    The most common hypothesis is that he received a hair transplant, where follicles from the bushier back of the head are grafted onto fading spots closer to the front of the dome.

    In 1987, a Washington Post reporter asked him to confirm the theory. “Guess,” he responded. “I’ve got to keep some mystery in my life.”

    A quick Politico survey of stylists and hair transplant surgeons—some of whom have followed Biden’s career path for years, while others didn’t know about him until yesterday—found that there was little mystery.

    “When he had darker hair it was pretty obvious, he had larger plugs,” said Dr. Michael Beehner, medical director of the Saratoga Hair Transplant Center in New York . “With the lightening of his hair, it looks much, much better now.”

    “Years ago, it was much more detectable,” added a surgeon from the Midwest who refused to be identified. The pattern of Biden’s hairline, according to him, did not follow the normal math of baldness.

    Until the late 1980s, according to Beehner, the only method of hair transplantation involved “plugs” that each contained 15-30 hairs. If executed well, they could be lined up to create a solid wall of hair. Today, it’s different—and much less visible. “They use little tiny grafts,” Beehner said. “And a typical session is a 1,000 and 2,000 grafts.”

    “A lot of people have touch-up work, and he may have had some,” he added.

    The stylists Politico spoke to, while not enamored with Biden’s haircut, thought the work had turned out well.

    “I think he should darken the hair on the top of his head,” emailed Christina, a stylist who generally works with celebrities. “One of the reasons being with it being lighter than the rest of the hair it makes it appear to be thinner.”

    “In my view, his hair cut and style do not compliment his squarish face shape,” added Sky Vega, a stylist in New York. “A forward comb with a serrated fringe would soften that.”

    “I feel like it’s a minimal amount of work,” she noted. “I mean, it’s really common for a lot of guys.” (The International Society of Hair Restoration surgery estimated that more than 100,000 operations were performed in 2006.)

    “Transplant hair, if a good one, can be cut and styled almost exactly like your real hair,” said Christina. “It depends on the technique.”

    Along with Biden, the ranks of the senatorial plugged-in included former Wisconsin Democratic Senator William Proxmire—who served from 1957 to 1989—and South Carolina Republican Strom Thurmond, whose fiery orange plugs stayed in until he died in 2003 at the age of 100.

    At Thurmond’s 90th birthday party, Biden found a patch of common ground. “When I came to the Senate in ’72, you were 70,” he said. “And I want to tell you I resent any reference to your hair. You have been an inspiration to me in so many ways.

  116. countthevotes, i have no idea what it says, Youtube is banned here in Turkey and i have not seen it, i am going on recommendation.

  117. Has any material from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge records been redacted, removed, or destroyed since my dispute with the library began? The answer is: I do not know. I don’t know if UIC simply determined that it had legal authority to open the materials, without further agreement from the donor, or whether UIC is making this material available only after having restricted some material, at the donor’s request. Obviously, I will be on the lookout when I view the records for evidence of tampering, or of, say, names in critical places being blacked out. I will also be able to compare folders indicated by the “finding aid” with what is made available to me.

    But as of now, I simply know nothing of what might or might not have happened to the records in the past ten days, or about what further agreements and restrictions may have been laid on the material at the behest of the donor in the past few days. I have not yet seen UIC’s actual statement announcing the release of the records. According to the following note from the Chicago Sun-Times: “Friday, UIC said it had fulfilled the terms of the gift and plans to make the records available Tuesday.” So what exactly are “the terms of the gift?” What restrictions might that entail, and will these restrictions perhaps already have barred me from access to key portions of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge records? At this point, I simply cannot answer that question.

    Last Monday afternoon I filed a Freedom of Information Act request asking to see all communications between UIC and the donor regarding the Chicago Annenberg Challenge records. That FOIA request is still active, and is supposed to receive a response within seven working days. This may provide some clues to the mystery. Presumably, it would likely also reveal the name of the donor.

  118. At Thurmond’s 90th birthday party, Biden found a patch of common ground. “When I came to the Senate in ‘72, you were 70,” he said. “And I want to tell you I resent any reference to your hair. You have been an inspiration to me in so many ways.
    ———————————————-
    And Biden-you sound to me like Trent Lott in many ways.

  119. Four of the boasts Biden made about his academic record are false:

    Full Academic Scholarship – Biden actually received a partial scholarship from the university based on financial need.

    Top Half of His Class – Biden finished 76th in his law class of 85.

    Graduated With Three Degrees – Biden received a single degree, from the University of Delaware

    Outstanding Student in the Political Science Department – Biden was considered, but the award was given to someone else.

    lol, honesty you can believe in.

  120. # moononpluto Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    countthevotes, i have no idea what it says, Youtube is banned here in Turkey and i have not seen it, i am going on recommendation.

    ****

    ok, got it. basically has narrator talking about BO at a conference, and BO talks about whether public policy should be shaped by the Bible – and then in slightly ridiculing tone says, should we use leviticus which suggests slavery is OK, should we go with duteronomy which says we should stone our children should they stray from faith , should we use sermon on the mount which is so radical, it’s doubtful that our own military would survive its application? “folks haven’t been reading their bible” BO says knowingly – narrator goes on to state that BO is arrogant in his interpretation of the bible which he takes out of context and implying that people don’t know what’s in the bible, and he goes on explains the context of the bible and says that Jesus would certainly not condone “turning the other cheek” when it comes to terrorists. then, repeat of BO saying “folks haven’t been reading their bible.” tagline phforamerica.com

  121. moon,
    it’s a clip of BO dissing passages from the bible.
    main points:
    since:

    Laviticus says slavery is ok
    deuteronomy says stoning children is ok
    sermon on the mount says . . . something about turning the other cheek and the american defense
    doesn’t practice that . . .

    point he’s making is how can americans expect the bible to guid their decisions when it
    contains references to such practices.

    it’s pretty damning, moon.

    will listen more later and transcribe better.

  122. This guy frank marshall davis is emerging more and more as a defining figure of who obama is and how his views were shaped.

    Frankly, I was inclined to dismiss his significance as a diversionary issue conjured up by the far right to activate the john birch segment of their base–since he was a confirmed Stalinist.

    He was most definitely a racist and he was the one baracks grandfather put him together with to learn about being a strong black man. That may explain why he was willing to play the race card as he did South Carolina and to disparage working class whites and women as he has.

    And what we have seen in this campaign is that racism is not a question of ethnicity but a foul and corrupt state of mind. If you take a guy like Phelglar who is white you find a racist who is worse than Wright. But what resonates with me here is Davis. That may be where the story of barack obama really starts.

  123. dont mention Frank davis, we posted an article on him yesterday that basically would have turned your stomach. The guy is a scumbag.

  124. How lovely that Obama can speak with the most arrogant of voices, pick and choose bits of the bible that fit his corrupt personal philosophy and trash the rest.

    Shame on him.

  125. confloyd,
    LOL. excellent transcription.
    Interesting how you, me, wbboei and bluedem all had such different reactions, isn’t it?

    OTOH, about the muslim ad, i have to confess that I am against islam becuase of the property-class
    status of women. Of course most world religions have similar women-as-second-class POV’s, too.
    (that’s why i’m anti-organized religion)

    but I find islam particularly offensive coz of trivial practices such as FGM, sharia law, honor killings and
    burka mandates.

  126. curiosityhasme

    You got that right.
    The last thing we need in the White House is (another) President
    with unresolved issues.
    He is too easily manipulated and potentially controlled by others.

    Regarding McCain and his houses, just smoke and mirrors by the media.
    A distraction because they have nothing negative on McCain.
    McCain only tried to address the heart of the question with honesty
    and without spin or qualifiers.

  127. The new chapter is The Radical Roots of Barack Obama. My sense is this will become a concentrated line of attack. And that is how the Republicans will tar the ENTIRE party if they nominate Obama.

    Question: when you are in a long dark tunnel and the track starts to vibrate, a louder and louder sound and you hear a whislte do you really believe it is a zebra? Are the sds smart enough to see this trainweck coming??????

  128. The housing issue will go nowhere. The media and Bobo have nothing else to glom onto so they are pushing this. Desperate measures by desperate men.

    McCain has reams of issues to throw at Obama. I think these will have more impact with the voters than how many houses the guy does or doesn’t have.

  129. “Interesting how you, me, wbboei and bluedem all had such different reactions, isn’t it?”

    yeah, well I’m probably wrong, so….

  130. McCain is increasing his lead in electoral votes. As of today, pre-Democratic convention, McCain has the electoral votes to be elected. New polls are in today from Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada with McCain in the lead. The electoral map is almost where we expect it to wind up.

    By November McCain might will probably add Alaska and Montana to his totals. McCain could add Michigan and Pennsylvania to his total which would make it an electoral vote blowout for McCain in what is supposed to be a “Democratic year”.

    Hillary can win this election. Obama cannot win.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

  131. wbboei, don’t be silly, that’s not a train OR a zebra, that’s the SPARKLY RAINBOW-COLORED UNITY PONY!!!

    WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  132. Saw this post on No Quarter about the Passed Over ad, and wanted to share:

    Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-24 13:16:25

    I guess I’m a wing-nut because I’m not particularly fond of the Clintons.

    In an election season where the phrase “hope and change” has been repeated ad nauseum, Hillary Clinton stood up and sounded the alarm to Americans across this country. In doing so, she was “punished” by the Democratic Party.

    Most of you are too close to this election cycle because you’re Hillary supporters.

    From a different perspective, many Americans that are not Democrats will see this ad differently.

    For Republicans, it highlights again why McCain is a “maverick”. He doesn’t care that his base doesn’t like the Clintons–he’s going to remain true to his friendships. Politics be damned in his opinion.

    McCain truly likes Bill and Hillary and would have sent a message to at least Bill letting him know this was coming.

    If it sets Hillary up for her convention speech, then so be it. John McCain isn’t going to worry about it. Instead of having to “fake” loving Obama, she can concentrate on highlighting her and the Democratic Party’s disagreements with John McCain. They may be friends, but they do disagree on various issues.

    As I mentioned earlier, I’m not fond of the Clintons. However, I can put aside my feelings when it comes down to decency and doing the right thing.

    The Obama supporters/campaign can say anything they want, but many Americans (myself included) believe Hillary was treated poorly. In a country where “racism” is yelled at every opportunity, it seems we have more work to do when it comes to sexism.

    There are approximately 154 million American women compared to 149 million American men. It is dangerous for any man or political party to disrespect and ignore women especially when approximately 100 million of those women will be legally eligible to vote this November.

  133. its My little pony

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony_(TV_series)

    Its so Bambi and the little ponies of paradise.

  134. As i said earlier but people missed it, my new name for the Obama/Biden ticket is

    THE FAIRYTALE TICKET

    BAMBI AND THE LEPRACHAUN

    joined by Shrek and the creatures of the magical swamp.

  135. hehehehe.
    about the denver stage:
    Fox News the team who designed the DNC podium and setup etc with all those LCD screens, are the same who designed Prince’s halftime show at the Super Bowl. ROFLs..

    I loooooove Prince and that show was awesome, but is this really going to look serious and appropriate for the convention?

    Democratic Party Like a Rock Star.. totally dude!

  136. Basil 9, Thankyou for saying that, I was beginning to think that I was just a mean old beoch that is willing to hurt the feelings of little children.
    The way I see it, if we let this scumbag in our government there will be many hurt feelings.
    NOW is no time to take the MORAL high road, we must go in for the KILL.

  137. Conflyd, i don’t care what it takes to take the cast of Shrek down because the bastard used every unethical thing he could against us, so fuck him over and fuck him over hard.

  138. moon,
    but that’s racist. 😉

    blue,
    awwwwww . . . . don’t be silly. i’m fascinated by such things. that’s all i meant.
    🙄

    paula,
    i’ve read her comments before. very interesting.

  139. moon, it’s the theme song to My Little Pony – an old children’s cartoon on TV. Very sparkly sweet saccharine.

  140. As Obama’s poll numbers continue to drop, Rasmussen has re-adjusted its predictions. Every state is trending in McCain’s favor:

    ————-
    The biggest changes came in Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Colorado and Oregon.

    Ohio—with 20 Electoral College votes–moved from Toss-up to Leans Republican following the second straight Rasmussen Reports telephone survey that showed McCain with a modest lead over Obama.

    North Carolina—with 15 Electoral College votes—moved from Leans Republican to Likely Republican. This change was based on the latest Rasmussen Reports polling and changes in the RasmussenMarkets.com data.

    Wisconsin—with 10 Electoral College votes—moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. That move was prompted by the latest Rasmussen Reports polling which shows McCain closing to within four percentage points of Obama.

    Colorado—with 9 Electoral College votes–moved from Leans Democratic to Toss-Up, based primarily upon the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in which McCain holds a statistically insignificant two-point lead over Obama.

    Oregon—with 7 Electoral College votes—moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. While the latest Rasmussen Reports polling shows Obama with a 10-point lead, the average of other polls and a national trends adjustment places the state in the leaner category.

    South Dakota—with 3 Electoral College votes–shifted from Leans Republican to Likely Republican based upon Rasmussen Markets data and a national trends adjustment.

  141. Personally, as a Christian, I want the ad that shows Obama dissing the Bible out to every person in this country. Like I said, if a man can stand up on a podium and diss his GOD (supposedly) is a dangerous man. He needs to be sent back to Chicago and the TUCC, that is where he belongs, not anywhere near the Whitehouse.
    The only thing that pisses me off about the freaking republicans is they waited to put this stuff out until they knew they would not have to deal with the real winner. That tells me that they are no more concerned with Americans than the Chicago mob that has put forth the fraud.
    I have no use for the republicans or the old guard democrats like Kennedy, the all need to be thrown in the lake of fire with the rest of the self serving bas*&^%s that have done this to the greatest nation and its people.

  142. okay this is good. From another blog.

    I have been watching Fox News today, and they were having trouble going live to their reporter in Denver who was covering the protesters, and my jaw dropped when they finally showed the video.

    I live in Los Angeles, and the video reminded me of the illegal alien amnesty rallies. The reporter in Denver looked like he was in a war zone! One fo the men behind him had a Crip or Blood gangmember bandana around his face to hide his face. The camera was shaking and the reporter looked real scared. It was amazing. People as far as the eye could see. I would call it a tinderbox, and they haven’t even started really. They’re just gathering!

    Obama always tries to act like Thurston Howell from Gilligan’s Island, but seriously, move the camera two feet tot he left and interview the people outside. I saw an American Indian rally, which was a little more subdued, but I was thinking, if Hillary DOES get the nomination, they’ll need a bigger detention facility.

    This was one of the most chaotic pieces of video I’ve ever seen. It’s not online yet, but I am still amazed. It reminded me of a vietnam-era video.

  143. It seems as if nobody on this board could bring theselves to watch the Bambi and Eeyore show yesterday. (me included) But maybe somebody else saw clips from that presentation.

    Did the ‘grey-haired new dude’ not extol O for being unusually able to “bring Democrats together” unlike anyone he’s seen in all his years in Washington?? I’m not making this up. Was this sarcasm? A joke? Or the usual lying through one’s teeth?

    I haven’t heard anything about this. Have I just lost my mind?? Lord knows I’ve been driven to distraction by O. But really….somebody tell me if I was watching The Daily Show send-up or if Biden thinks the Dem party is more unified now than ever before!!!!

  144. that’s what i wanna know.

    i’ve sworn off ANY tv for the week so i’m depending on web-recs.

    i just hope there were some pro-hrc protestors in the crowd.

  145. Idunn
    hope you were not insulted by my telling my niece that you didn’t have cable i was trying to teach her about social responsibility and the importance of being an active participant. she is in wow now 3rd grade and I was able to explain a lot of the political process using your posts to her. Including the holy water references. (she found those very funny) She is also obsessed with the fact that her great great grandmother was cherokee and your native american heritage inspired her. Like it or not you have given a little girl a woman to believe in.
    many thanks on my part.

  146. Well lookey here.

    Biden’s Son and Brother Named in Two Suits – Fraud

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html

    A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

    The Democratic vice presidential candidate’s son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

    The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden’s involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

    A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

  147. moon–I know davis is bad in so many ways, but I am interested in him as a mentor figure to barack and for the associations he formed with people like Robeson. Few people would recogize the name now but I do because of my interest in old Broadway. He was the basso profundo who sang the song old man river in the movie showboat and was in some respects a compelling left wing figure. They were both members of the CPUSA and there came a time when the communists tried to infiltrate the NAACP in Hawaii under the banner of UNITY and Roy Wilkens wrote a letter calling the game on them. Barack was heavily influenced by Davis and his anti American views. So when a liar like this Selbius tries to tell us that Bwaaaaaaaaaaaak is corny as Kansas in August and High as a flag on the Fourth of July we look for the double meaning. He was a darling of student activists in college because he claims he did not want to be called a sell out artist. Soros would be amused–and so are we.

  148. Basil, I was thinking you were talking about the ad about his muslim roots, some on here were feeling for the muslim children.
    You just said that you did not like that religion because of their track record of women’s issues.
    Henry and Idunn were taking the moral ground today.
    I just forget that, lets take him down whoever’s feeling it may hurt. We have to think of our country first.

  149. No i dead, its just apparently kicking off in Denver, the Fox news guy almost got beaten up. he’s scared shitless.

  150. h4t,

    hehehehe.
    I heard o’biden got the vp news while undergoing a root canal.
    maybe the novacaine hadn’t worn off when he bounded onstage?

    confloyd,
    ohhhhhhhhh. i can no more condone the misogynistic customs of islam than i can the practices
    in satanism, canabalism or facism. don’t mean to offend anyone but i’ve read quite a bit about world
    religions.

  151. Moon, must have been some of Bambi
    s friends trying to take down the competition from MSNBC. The jerks have no scruples! I hope to GOD that these people do NOT take over our country.

  152. Thanks, Basil. I thought I was losing my grip.

    Can we all think about this?? Does this mean that the O/B team think that lying will change reality?

    Did they not learn this technique by lying that Obama had won the nomination every time he lost a major state?? That worked.

    I guess they think if they proclaim unity and make it sound like Hillary is aboard so her 3 supporters will soon be there too, it will happen. And if it doesn’t, they can always say it was a joke.

    They have definitely thrown truth and honesty under the bus.

  153. wbboei, Did you notice that Davis and Dunham are both from KANSAS. What the heck were they breeding back in KANSAS then??? Did they have a big communist following there???
    My dad was born and raised in Topeka, Kansas, he is no communist. I wish I could find more information about Stanley’s life in Kansas, there is nothing, we don’t know where he graduated, where he grew up, what his father did, NOTHING!!
    This is so suspicious, there’s lots of info on the typical white person granny, just none on Gramps.

  154. confloyd, I think that Obama does just as much harm to the ideas of those Muslim children, by running away from his heritage as if it were shameful. That he made it “taboo” is just as bigoted as that ad is.

  155. There are approximately 154 million American women compared to 149 million American men. It is dangerous for any man or political party to disrespect and ignore women especially when approximately 100 million of those women will be legally eligible to vote this November.
    ———————————————
    that is the bottom line PROVIDED we can get them to wake up and smell the coffee in time. I will say it again because it bears repeating. The voting machines are crucial.

  156. H4T, You are right, if he is embarrassed of his beliefs, then that is just as bad.
    Think about it, if he was proud of his Muslim background and he above all people could show us the real beautiful and pacifist part of Islam. He did not do that, because he isn’t hooked up with that part of Islam, he is hooked up with radical part.

  157. I think we need to contact Hawk and tell em to cut the cord on the teleprompter 30 secs into the speech.

  158. confloyd, you may be right or you may be wrong about that. The truth is, we don’t know either way, BECAUSE he keeps shoving those aspects of his life into the shadows and throwing a CANNOT TOUCH sign over them.

  159. does the passed over ad do harm to hilary? on top of the very hard week ahead now she has to s wat this ad as well. i emailed the key mccain folks on what not to do here. they replied. we will see

  160. confloyd: there are some references in the House of UnAmerican Activities report but nothing too definitive about the kansas aspect. When they got to Honolulu they probably both said gee Toto this sure aint Kansas.

  161. Anyone have video of that fox report that showed the protestors?

    Henry…I’m not in the least offended. So many people have inspired me in my own journey, how on earth could I NOT be pleased to in some small way, inspire someone else.

    I do think, however, that your nieces biggest inspiration will end up being you. 🙂

  162. tf4, What did they say in their reply?

    BTW, someone on another thread mentioned the possibility that the ad is NOT targeted to PUMAs like us who already aren’t voting for Obama. That may be be something to consider.

  163. I sure don’t want Hillary to have to kiss his ass any more than she already has, but I think she is just fine. They are going to be on her butt throughout the rest of the election. Everytime they go down in the polls they are going to blame her and make her go out there to straighten it out. I am sure that is not only coming from the Obama campaign, but from the DNC alias the Dean’s brazziere & Pooplosi campaign of cleaning the only sane people of the party. God is helping us with Kennedy!

  164. I just read over on Pumapac that 293 superd’s have changed their endorsement to Hillary!! Yeah, but they have rigged the calling of the states so BO gets his numbers first, so he wins.

  165. Someone on another blog said that Clyburn today defended Biden’s “clean and articulate” comments about Obama as not racist, lol.

    Hypocrisy, hypocrisy …

  166. Also, a C-SPAN caller said Biden said during Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial that there would be payback for having to bail Clinton out, and that HRC was the recipient, not her husband. Hmm…

  167. Paula, see what I mean about these Fuc*&^, they deserve everything the Republicans dish out. EWWW, it makes my blood boil.

  168. So the fog has cleared. The egomaniac one has appointed his vp.

    Does anyone else feel like they’ve been jipped? Like they were waiting for a big bang and instead got zilch?

    I’m feeling as if this is a remake of the “Odd Couple” with Felix and Oscar. I’m also feeling as if this convention is also going to be a joke for the most part.

  169. Notice how Big Media is trying to build a nice neat frame around the story conjured up in the 90hth floor of an office building in mid-town Manhattan. The priorites are push Obama and dont spook the herd. Won’t work.

    Unfortunately the truth is pouring in from outside the corners of the frame thanks to the efforts of citizen journalists and cell phone camera imaged to the internet. Chaos now, Michelle tapes later and suddenly the issue is not the economy.

  170. WTH, why would it be HRC getting the payback??? Why because she stood and faught against the republican machine???

  171. wbboei, You said earlier that HRC turned down the VP slot. Do you still believe that, and if so can you elaborate?

  172. confloyd, Because the Dems resented having to save her husband’s ass, and they couldn’t take it out on him. Just a theory, mind you, but I found it interesting. Could explain why so many establishment Dems backed Obama even though she is clearly the better candidate.

  173. Those weaklings like Biden, Dodd, Kennedy and the rest of those Girly MEn, are scared shitless of a strong, smart woman. They are afraid of emasculation. The good ole boys club is alive and well. It has nothing to do with Bill’s little Monica thing. They just don’t want anyone to call them out on all the slimey goingson that they been doing for years. THey know she would!!

  174. Paula,

    I honestly believe that if there was any conspiracy it was the Kennedys against the Clintons.

    I have lost all respect for Ted Kennedy and Caroline.

  175. Also, a C-SPAN caller said Biden said during Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial that there would be payback for having to bail Clinton out, and that HRC was the recipient, not her husband. Hmm…
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    No. That is not it. This is about a power stuggle between centrists and leftists, globalists and protectists, kennedy and clinton, gogzilla and the civilized world. Not the stuff in people magazine.

  176. Just watched Pelosi and the other convention co-chairs fielding questions about the convention. I’d say 3/4 of the questions asked revolved around HRC. Each time, the co-chairs would try to steer the response back to Obama. And then the next question would come, and it would be about HRC. LOL! Finally, by the last question (a question about the “passed over” ad) you could see Pelosi grit her teeth and forcing a smile through her anger. I swear, I think she was actually shaking alittle trying.

    Totally HILARIOUS!!!

  177. If this democracy stands for the rigging of the calling of states, we have only ourselves to blame.

    This party has screwed with the rules too much, and the American people need to make sure this gets handled.

  178. Really funny to watch Sebelius out of nowhere say something like, we are the party of women. Almost kinda defensively. At least, it seemed that way to me.

  179. Geez, I hate those people, I have never met any of them, but they make my blood boil. They are keeping the American people from the THEY want. The jerks retributions are of no freaking consequence to me or the rest of us. We just merely want our country back!!!

  180. Idunn, What did Pooplosi say about the ad?

    Something about it being a nice try or something. Said HRC supported Obama…blah blah blah. Then, out of nowhere, she said something again about the democrats caring about women, and that was why all 4 co-chairs were women.

    TOO FUNNY!!

  181. Idunn, I hope some of the PUMA’s brought some Tar and Feathers, I know of three people that would like just gorgeous in the!

  182. wbboei and others re “Frank”,

    Here’s an example of the sort of role that ‘Frank’ filled for Obama. It’s taken from DREAMS by a conservative blogger who elsewhere said that he read DREAMS so we don’t have to. He says it’s unreadable but he is going to the trouble of finding the facts in it and pulling them out for us. Apparently it was kidn of a series in his blog at least for a while. For those who want to research ‘Frank’ and other Obama background matters without Obama’s verbiage, it might be worth finding one’s way aroung Sailer’s blog and archives. He makes very good comments and quotes critical reviews of DREAMS while he’s at it.

    h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html

  183. Then, as if on cue, Seblius said, “we are the party of women”. Once more with sincerity, governor. You cannot be serious….We are a party of women…Therefore, we naturally held our silence while the members of the mass media slandered and slammed the woman who rightfully won this race. Therefore, we said nothing when it became clear that our favorite candidate was running for misonygist in chief. We are a party of women but we are acting like sheep allowing ourselves to be herded around by an incompetent narcissistic.

    Sorry yall I am pissed today

  184. Just watched Pelosi and the other convention co-chairs fielding questions about the convention. I’d say 3/4 of the questions asked revolved around HRC. Each time, the co-chairs would try to steer the response back to Obama. And then the next question would come, and it would be about HRC. LOL! Finally, by the last question (a question about the “passed over” ad) you could see Pelosi grit her teeth and forcing a smile through her anger. I swear, I think she was actually shaking alittle trying.

    Totally HILARIOUS!!!
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    Now I understand why she opted for that sixth face lift. No other way to maintain the permanent smile.

  185. I’d like to hear one of those women try to talk about what feminism really means. They are clueless and vicious. They eat their young

  186. She smiles too much and she’s gonna shoot those stiches across the room.
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    right on Molly. That is why abm90 and I tried to talk her into taxidermy as an alternative.

  187. She smiles too much and she’s gonna shoot those stiches across the room.
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    She might scare the dead foxes.

  188. Then, as if on cue, Seblius said, “we are the party of women”.
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    Just as long as they fall in line and do what they are told–like you gov.

    Tell me again why bambi has Kansas values and his mentorship by uncle frank does not count.

  189. t4h, on the pumapac site, there are blogging live from denver.

    Oh barf, the little brown shirt Dean is on, oh puke!!!!!!

  190. i am relyin’ on yall for tv alerts posted on here. I had to turn on a funny movie.

    Meanwhile, I just read that a man was arrested after checking into Madam Speaker’s hotel with huntin’ rifles.

  191. Molly that is funny, I bet it scared the crap out of Pooplosi, I complain, but I do not any one hurt physically, now politically, I want them dead!!

  192. Looks like Obama can not only rig the primary/general election, but they can rig the callers coming into C-span!

  193. Ok folks, obviously you all are reading blogs somewhere else, how about letting me know where I need to go to read to!!

  194. Joe and Bo.
    Perfect together.
    O’biden’s version of ‘sweetie.’
    from rd.

    ‘Here’s what Biden had said in his debut as the presumptive Democratic vice presidential nominee:

    “Ladies and gentlemen, my wife, Jill, who you’ll meet soon, is drop-dead gorgeous. My wife, Jill, who you’ll meet soon, she also has her doctorate degree, which is a problem. But all kidding aside. . . . ”

    Pelosi, who had spent much of the lunch depicting an America in dire straits after eight years of a Republican administration, didn’t miss a beat: “Lighten up,” she said. “We’ve got a planet to save.”

    She added that if Biden found his wife beautiful, “That’s A-OK.”

    Joe, try uttering the racist equivalent about, say, MO and see how far that gets you. Nancy, thanks a whole lot for selling out women, you self-hating quisling.

  195. I wonder, if this site has seen an increase in traffic? Apparently, Charlie Lemos’s and Riverdaughter have noticed an increase in unique hits. People are beginning to tune in? I hope so.

  196. “Ladies and gentlemen, my wife, Jill, who you’ll meet soon, is drop-dead gorgeous. My wife, Jill, who you’ll meet soon, she also has her doctorate degree, which is a problem. But all kidding aside. . . . ”

    Why is this a problem? Having a doctorate degree is something to feel proud about.

  197. OT but….I recently got an email from the Obama campaign inviting me to some kind of “Obama Camp” to be trained how to become a full fledged member of their voter registration team. The email contained a special “Camp Obama” logo and the information says that you can learn how to recruit voters and spread Obamas message. For some reason, the email struck me as almost cultish in it’s tone…

    Have any of you seen the 1981 ABC Afterschool Special called “The Wave”. It reminds me of some of the aspects of the Obama campaign. It’s based on a true story. Here is a synopsis from the IMD:

    “To explain to his students the atmosphere in the 1930’s Nazi-Germany, history teacher Burt Ross initiates a daring experiment. He declares himself leader of a new movement, called ‘The Wave’. Inspired, he proclaims ideas about Power, Discipline and Superiority. His students are strikingly willing to follow him. Soon the entire school is under the spell of ‘The Wave’. Anyone who refuses to be a part of the Movement, faces threats or worse. Ross himself gets carried away by his own experiment. Or has it turned into something more than an experiment? A climax is unavoidable, resulting in a hard lesson for both Ross and his students…”

    You can see this movie at the links below:

    Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVRXXbU-z7U

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXi71XBdh1o&mode=related&search=

    My sister and I were reminiscing about the Afterschool specials the other day and this one came up right away. The experiment by the teacher was to show students how easy it is to get drawn into being manipulated by charismatic leaders. It’s well worth a watch if you have never seen it.

  198. now that Biden has been selected to shore up the issue of foreign relations, and staying true to admins title “Barack Obama’s Running Mates” I guess we need to wait for the announcement of his running mates on domestic policy, economic policy, energy policy, trade policy….

    Since BHO is an empty suit, looks like were gonna have a lot of VP’s to cover his ass.

    Seems I remember thinking this about GWB and look where that got us.

  199. As long as the polls keep going down…down…down…for Obama and friends, and the ratings keep going down…down…down…for Obama’s media friends…this convention will go down as a fairy tale indeed!

    Let them eat cake!!!

  200. live updates from the denver post.

    //www.denverpost.com/live

    cnn and fox report hrc will release delegates on wed.

  201. AmericanGal,

    the training will be given by DFA (Democracy for America), UNITE HERE, and Move On.

    They have hired “thousands” of college students over the last few month to tackle the registration drives and GOTV.

    the latest in the string of hired students is by the conservation groups.

    These groups will be mobile depending on which states need them the most. The unions are already dispatching 527 money and ground troops in the swing states.

  202. the other notable groups that are hiring,(many directly for the DNC) Grassroots Campaign, Democratic GAIN, PIRG, Work for Progress, and Fund for the Public Interest.

  203. that aint good. all those delegates spnet alot of money andtime to get to denver. this is depressing as hell

  204. Thanks Debbie…I didn’t know what the Camp Obama was all about…

    By the way…I’m not insinuating Obama is a Nazi with the video links I posted. It just got jogged in my memory lately and I remember that movie as an example of how people sometimes get swept up in things and don’t think…they feel they are a part of a movement and that’s all that matters at the time…

  205. another rumor from pumapac bloggers is that although
    300 delegate signatures have been collected,
    enough to put hrc’s name in nomination, she won’t sign it.

    😥

  206. all I can think is this whole thing reminds me of what was once called “Hitlers Youth”

    It’s down right scary.

  207. here’s the poster’s comment.

    ’56 I’m mad too. I still believe Hillary could win the nomination and that the supers will go to her. Apparently she is unwilling to do this. I felt this months ago but hoped she would stand up and fight. We have fought all we can, gotten over the 300 required signatures and she probably won’t sign the petition. The roll call is rigged, what more can we do? I know this movement is more than about Hillary, it’s about democracy and that is why we went on day after day. If she does release her delegates, I will feel she let us down. There comes a time when you have to stand up for yourself, no matter what. Look what Roosevelt did in 1932. I’m going to wait and see what she really does.’

  208. I hope this is not true, but something is up with Hillary not signing these 300 petitions. I hope someday we will get the truth of this election.
    The stupid DNC, how do they think we would just come to them after the blatant cheating that went on??
    I will never come back to the party of communistic thievery of an election.

  209. wbboei Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    Question: when you are in a long dark tunnel and the track starts to vibrate, a louder and louder sound and you hear a whislte do you really believe it is a zebra? Are the sds smart enough to see this trainweck coming??????
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    everyone sees the train-wreck coming. it’s just that the sd’s have painted themselves into the B-HO corner. any movement now will be seen as racist. i believe they are willing to commit mass suicide before doing what is right.

  210. My two cents…I think Hillary and Bill have decided just to let this play out and let the chips fall where they may. If she fights, she will get blamed for any potential Obama defeat. Thus they will both call for “unity” but in the big picture they are looking beyond 2012. I think Hillary is in a really horrible position. Does she fight and be called divisive or does she go along with the rest of the party even though she has doubts about Obama. Maybe I am missing something here as I am so new to politics but is there any other course of action she can do without harming herself politically?

    What I personally would like to see is for the delegates themselves to grow some spine and challenge the nomination. That way it can’t be blamed on Hillary as it’s coming from the delegates themselves.

  211. Alcina, I am beginning to believe the party of the people is DEAD. Stolen by Soros, Dean, Pelosi, Obama, Axelrod, Brazille. This will be a terrible week for democracy! I think we can kiss our country goodbye, when the very people we elect decide what we need instead of us deciding.
    THe constitution is now dead, just a piece of paper!

  212. Nobody should be deceived by rendells comment that she will run again in 2012 and he will support her. That is an illusory promise. If she does run it will be because of us not them. Anyone who says I will support obama now so Hillary can run in 2012 is a certifiable idiot.

  213. basil, i was thinking of this earlier that if Hillary fought Obama and took him down at the convention, bambi’s half will crucify her and the AA’s desert her, maybe she really does think the best option at this point is to let them all go down with him and then Bill and her resurrect the party after it. Sometimes it better to let it go to hell in order to save it.

    I think we need to think carefully, i’m beginning to think she should walk completely away from this now and then come back in Nov when he loses and clear the party out.

    The only other option is to release her delegates and then see if they fight for her, its a two way thing..

  214. This has to come from the delegates, not her, she has to stand back and say to the delegates, you do what you think is the correct course. I am here but cannot be seen to be here. This must come from them.

  215. Even if Hillary releases her delegates they can still vote for who they want can’t they? I would find it hard to believe that the majority of her delegates will suddenly vote Obama, at least not on the first ballot.

  216. americangirl

    my thoughts, exactly. hillary has a gun to her head and any attempts at fighting would result in her political demise. she will act the team player.

    sit back and watch the derailment. the DNC is shitting the bed as we speak.

  217. everyone sees the train-wreck coming. it’s just that the sd’s have painted themselves into the B-HO corner. any movement now will be seen as racist. i believe they are willing to commit mass suicide before doing what is right.
    ——————————————–
    And the obituary will read: After life’s fitful fever he sleeps well. TREASON has done his worst. Nor steel nor poison, malice domestic, foreign levy, nothing can touch him further

  218. She has to play this in a nudge nudge wink wink.

    Release the delegates, get the vote, if its true thats she switched back SD’s then its possible there may be decension in the ranks, who knows, we don’t?

    To be honest, i’d personally like to tell them to go get stuffed and run indy in 2012, that would be fun.

  219. Clinton expected to release delegates Wednesday By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
    24 minutes ago

    DENVER – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to unite the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.

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    Clinton has invited her pledged delegates to a reception at the Colorado Convention Center, not far from the main Democratic National Convention arena.

    The high-profile gathering of political regulars who once fought against Obama serves a dual purpose for Clinton: Show fellow Democrats that she can be a team player, and display her still-formidable political strengths for the future. Many of her supporters want her to run for president again.

    A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details publicly.

    Asked about Clinton’s plans for the event, her spokesman Philippe Reines said it will be “an opportunity for Senator Clinton to see her delegates — many for the first time since the primaries ended, thank them for their hard work and support, and most importantly to encourage them to support and work for Senator Obama as strongly as she has in order to elect him in November.”

    The New York senator has support among key voting groups that Obama has yet to win over, particularly women, older voters, and working-class voters.

    Coming into the convention, many Democrats have wondered exactly how and when Clinton would throw her delegates to Obama, and if that would be a messy, contentious affair.

    Some Clinton delegates still plan to vote for her at the convention, even if she releases them.

    “This is much bigger than Hillary,” said Pam Durham, a Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, Texas. “I have a responsibility. I do not own my vote. I have to represent the voters who sent me.”

    Pat Bakalian, a Clinton delegate from Santa Cruz, Calif., agreed. She said she came to Denver to vote for Clinton, “and it’s what I’m going to do.”

    Both Durham and Bakalian said Obama has not yet won their support. They are waiting to see how Clinton is treated at the convention, and to make sure the nominating process is run fairly.

    Daniel Kagan, a Clinton delegate from Colorado, said, “I was sent to Denver to vote for Clinton. I would be letting my voters down if I voted for anyone else.”

    Kagan said he plans to vote for Obama in November, but he won’t be volunteering for the campaign.

    “I’ll get behind it (the ticket) weakly,” Kagan said.

    Republicans are already trying to take advantage of such potential fissures.

    John McCain’s campaign launched a television ad suggesting rival Barack Obama snubbed Clinton because of her criticism during the Democratic primary fight.

    The ad features clips of Clinton, including one in which she accused him of negative campaigning, and a voiceover announcer says: “She won millions of votes but isn’t on the ticket. Why? For speaking the truth.”

    Clinton aides responded that she clearly supports Obama and agrees with him on important issues like health care and the Iraq war, and doesn’t agree with McCain on those issues.

    ___

    Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

  220. We are seeing the end of our nation as we have known it. It is now owned by Soros & co. THe power people have owned the republicans for years, now they own the democrats. Satan has seduced the last shred of America!!

  221. Let me know if I’m getting on anyone’s nerves with all the links i’m posting but this is a good
    one.
    Rendell goes off about fawning media coverage. LOL

    Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was supposed to give “closing remarks” during this afternoon’s Shorenstein Center-sponsored panel discussion with all three Sunday show moderators — NBC’s Tom Brokaw, ABC’s George Stephanopoulous and CBS’s Bob Schieffer — but instead, he opened up a can of worms about bias in 2008 election coverage

    “Ladies and gentleman, the coverage of Barack Obama was embarrassing,” said Rendell, in the ballroom at Denver’s Brown Palace Hotel. “It was embarrassing.”

    Rendell, an ardent Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter during the primaries, now backs Obama in the general election. Brokaw and Rendell began debating campaign coverage, including the on-air comments by Lee Cowan, and when MSNBC came up, Rendell went after the cable network.

    “MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign,” Rendell said, who called their coverage “absolutely embarrassing.”

    Chris Matthews, Rendell said, “loses his impartiality when he talks about the Clintons.”

    At that point, PBS’s Judy Woodruff, who was moderating the moderators event, said: “Why don’t we let Governor Rendell sit down.”

    That was met with applause from the crowd of big-time media figures, which included Arianna Huffington, Gwen Ifill, Al Hunt, and Chuck Todd.

    Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are “not the only voices” on MSNBC.

    //www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.

  222. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was supposed to give “closing remarks” during this afternoon’s Shorenstein Center-sponsored panel discussion with all three Sunday show moderators — NBC’s Tom Brokaw, ABC’s George Stephanopoulous and CBS’s Bob Schieffer — but instead, he opened up a can of worms about bias in 2008 election coverage

    “Ladies and gentleman, the coverage of Barack Obama was embarrassing,” said Rendell, in the ballroom at Denver’s Brown Palace Hotel. “It was embarrassing.”

    Rendell, an ardent Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter during the primaries, now backs Obama in the general election. Brokaw and Rendell began debating campaign coverage, including the on-air comments by Lee Cowan, and when MSNBC came up, Rendell went after the cable network.

    “MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign,” Rendell said, who called their coverage “absolutely embarrassing.”

    Chris Matthews, Rendell said, “loses his impartiality when he talks about the Clintons.”

    At that point, PBS’s Judy Woodruff, who was moderating the moderators event, said: “Why don’t we let Governor Rendell sit down.”

    That was met with applause from the crowd of big-time media figures, which included Arianna Huffington, Gwen Ifill, Al Hunt, and Chuck Todd.

    Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are “not the only voices” on MSNBC.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing

  223. Well Rendell just went up in my estimation, hmm something tells me none of this is over after hearing that, sounds like the Clinton camp are out to make a point at this convention.

  224. Is there any indication from anywhere what the delegates and super delegates are thinking? We get little bits and pieces in news reports. Does PUMA have any sense on the mindset of delegates? It’s amazing that so little has come forth since the primary ended in June.

  225. americangal,
    i am a political novice but fwiw i don’t think the sd’s give a d@mn about anything other than
    covering thier butts.

    we’ve all been waiting for someone with common sense to straighten out this mess but it ain’t gonna happen. i agree with moon. nothing hrc can do, now.

  226. I think puma delegates will have been having any plans on the quiet, we wouldnt want the SS troops knowing our moves. If theres a plan its covert and destructive.

  227. btw

    i know i’m in the minority here, but i think the pepsi center stage is pretty cool. it beats red, white and blue painted sheetrock anyday. i also know enough about design and construction to know that mrs.B-Hole had NOTHING to do with it, with the exception of (possibly) final approvals. people in charge of facilities never get the kudos they deserve. there is always some asshole taking credit where none is due.

    also, HRC will look magnificent against the backdrop. i look forward to seeing her. 🙂

  228. Alcina, if the rightfull owner of this stage were going to appear on it to accept her rightful nomination, I would agree with you, but since the illegal candidate will be on it, it is just another thorn in my side!

  229. A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event
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    Who is this official? Who does he represent? Who told him this? Was he or she speaking from first hand knowledge or passing on a rumor? What does the word expected mean? What is the basis for this expectation? Typical AP

  230. Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are “not the only voices” on MSNBC
    ———————————————
    Tom—-NEVER DEFEND AN INDEFENDIBLE POSITON. TOM —IT STARTS AT THE TOP–WITH CAPUS AND GE—DONT DESTROY YOUR CREDIBILITY DEFENDING THEM

  231. I’m thinking that Hillary and Bill Clinton are genuinely disillusioned and also completely in shock by how the DNC and the Dem Party have degenerated to a bunch of dishonest thugs.

    It could just be that Hillary wants nothing to do with these monsters and that they are simply a means to an end for her, i.e. to do her job well and protect her family as best as she can. By standing tall and not being a part of this mess, she can watch from afar as they all start to unravel. She can say to herself that she did the best she could to uphold her beliefs and that of her supporters.

  232. I wonder how many polls until Wednesday.

    You can force HRC to do what you want on Wednesday.

    WE OWN OUR VOTES

    AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WHAT HAS GONE ON HERE.

  233. The affirmative action candidate has stolen the primary. Hillary has now fallen to the brown shirt brigade. Well, folks, I am now a republican. THere is no difference now between the two parties. THey are both nasty, cheating, big corporate parties. I am so disgusted with this blalant use of money, why not just tell us who will be the nominee,just like they do in IRAN.

  234. for you, moon.
    we all know who the real bo vp is.
    blond
    how about this;

    BO-MOJO. hehehe

    alcina,
    the stage reminds me of that recent game show of physical endurance hosted by the blonde australian
    ex-model. didn’t last too long. anyone else see it?

    wbboei, i know what you mean. cnn doesn’t have much credibility.

  235. Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are “not the only voices” on MSNBC
    ———————————————
    Tom- YOU ARE RIGHT–TWEETIE AND GOEBBELS ARE NOT THE ONLY VOICES AT MSNBC/ WE HAVE OTHER PARAGONS OF NEUTRAILITY LIKE CHUCK TODD (RAT BOY), EUGENE ROBINSON (THE CLOWN), HOWARD FINEMAN (EX LAX POSTERCHILD), RACHEL MADDOG, ANN CORNBUT AND A HOST OF LIKEMINDED IDIOTS. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE MSNBC BYTWEETIE AND GOEBELLS ALONE.

  236. dave barry humor.

    ,”But in the end, the focus of this convention will be on Barack Obama, who on Thursday night will receive the nomination in long-overdue recognition of a distinguished career of seeking the nomination. His goal, in his acceptance speech, will be to win over the undecided voters — the people who are unsure of what he really stands for, or who have received emailed rumors that he is a Muslim, or a socialist, or a vampire, or a lesbian. His goal will be to show, with no disrespect to the Muslim socialist vampire lesbian community, that he is a regular person just like you, except he has Vision and Leadership. After that, he will lay out his specific policies for building a brighter future. Then he will turn into a bat.”

  237. Well Rendell just went up in my estimation, hmm something tells me none of this is over after hearing that, sounds like the Clinton camp are out to make a point at this convention.
    ———————————————
    I have always believed in Rendell personally. I just dont like the 2012 ploy the DNC is playing through him. I agree that some points will be made. If I had stock in msnbc and cnn I would give my broker a sell order on tommorrow am/

  238. Dave Barry is too funny! More of the piece basil quoted:

    “”And after all that, she loses the nomination to a guy who has roughly the same amount of executive governmental experience as Hannah Montana. Hillary is like: “Are you KIDDING me?””

  239. The democratic party, as we know it, is dead. Everything that the party has represented has been torn to shreds, stomped on, and burned. Just like Ayers flag. The new democratic has been designed to become the party of the creative class, AA’s, and youth. If they get people while they are young, they will most likely stay with the party. Women, older people, gays, and centrists have been thrown under the bus. The only problem, is that people are rebelling, and not going along with the program. As I read on another blog, “We are the ones, they weren’t expecting.” PUMA needs to continue to fight for fair representation, democracy, and against misogyny, ageism, and identity bias. This fight goes beyond this election. If the BO camp wins, our democracy changes forever.

    If Bo wins, it will be due to massive voter fraud. His polling numbers are going down. Why? Because the more people learn about him, there is more to dislike and to be concerned about. Hillary won all the major primaries, by a significant amount and a larger number of democrats. BO is ahead, only because of the caucus wins, which give more representation (delegates) for a smaller number of people. How democratic is that? Not. Urban votes count more, than rural votes. This is wrong. At the present time, it seems that many of Hillary voters are not going to vote for BO, for a variety of reasons.

    This convention is a sham, and facist in nature. The media is complicit in the destruction of democracy and propping up an inadequate candidate, which is unconscionable, when we have two wars, a failing economy, job loss, inflation, inadequate health care, and a variety of other ills. We need a grown-up in the White House, not a narcississtic child and his minions.

  240. let me know if i;m getting on your nerves with all these links. 😳

    from rd – an update on the delegate disaster.
    Update and clarification: Still unconfirmed. Delegates have been calling us to say that their state chairmen have told them that their votes must be submitted in writing, some as early as 10am. The vote will be processed in the hotels. The votes will be final. The votes will tabulated before the roll call on the floor. In other words, it will be a sham roll call vote. Also, there is a report that a Hillary person infiltrated the Hillary delegates. This person was never onboard for Hillary who is misdirecting the delegates. This part is unclear to me but it appears the the delegates have been tampered with from the inside. The delegates that are affected are confused and demanding answers.

    This is still unconfirmed. Will the networks follow up on this?

  241. That was met with applause from the crowd of big-time media figures, which included Arianna Huffington, Al Hunt, and Chuck Todd
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    great yiddish word for these people:

    SCHLOCKMEISTERS

  242. gosh I am so tired of seeing political conspiracies around each and every corner.
    ———————————————-
    the only thing worse is finding out that some of them are true.

  243. Here is what I am telling myself to maintain equantimity:

    1. expect nothing good to happen

    2. be pleasantly surprised if it does

    3. remember they got Al Capone on income tax evasion

  244. I just can’t imagine the superdelegates wanting the NOI running this country!
    I can hardly watch how the stupid people talking this fraud up. It is sickening and now I am getting a headache!

  245. “”And after all that, she loses the nomination to a guy who has roughly the same amount of executive governmental experience as Hannah Montana. Hillary is like: “Are you KIDDING me?””
    ———————————————-
    Then again maybe we are being too tough on them. Hell its only the job of president of the united states. I mean its not like the job of refrigeration engineer I say posted in Kokomo when I was campaigning there which said “experience required: And in that case I can understand why–its no fun to sweat. When you look at the job of President how tough can that be and so what if you fuck it up.

  246. I am sick and tired of this,
    “I just heard some woman on the Fox Panel say that Hillary is being “watched” for real or percieved resistance to BO and that her career will be over if she does not go along.”

  247. I hope our Puma’s will be ok, some are camping, I think.
    I think God is telling us he does not like Obama!! LOL!!

  248. meiyingsu

    hillary should just call-in sick this week. this gestapo approach is outa control. why not just bring in the swastikas and banners and get it over with.

  249. okay, you guys are cracking me up here…

    through the last year, people talked often about
    obamas muslim connections. and there was
    countless references to his middle name which is
    whatever the f*ck it is…

    it never bothered anybody then. it didnt bother
    me either…
    when the obots started calling us all racists, we
    went balistic. but i’m over it now…

    i had to accept that people will see things the
    way they want to see things, i will see things the
    way i want to see things. cant stop it…

    that video, is just part of the whole, its okay to
    talk race thing, that obama has opened the door to.
    but to be honest, the repugs shouldnt get all the
    shit for it, it was us dems that started the whole
    race baiting…

    by the way ADMIN,

    another outstanding article.
    when the convention is over, lets talk about that
    hillary is 44 tribute.

    we have a great article ready to go, written by a
    great member here…

  250. “I just heard some woman on the Fox Panel say that Hillary is being “watched” for real or percieved resistance to BO and that her career will be over if she does not go along.”
    ———————————————-
    Bot talk/ Measure of their desperation. Same one who said if mccain brings a knife we will bring a gun. Now that will just scare the shit out of a guy who spent his youth in a prisoner of war camp torture. Their comments are useless. Is this projection on her part, or something she has been told in which case give us the who when what why where and how you were supposed to learn in basic journalism class. If these nerds knew the behind the scenes maneuverings going on between the two camps they would realize they dont know what they are talking about.

  251. united airlines, is the official airline for
    the democratic convention…

    obama delegates are are all over the place, with
    their smug obama faces…
    they are the vanquishers, and we are the vanquished….

    its hard to take…
    i almost got into it with an obama ‘dweeb’, wearing
    an obama pin yesterday.
    he was all excited about the convention, like a
    devoted pet. i picked a fight with him, i couldnt
    help myself. i just wanted to wipe that happy smile
    of his joyful, exuberant face…

    i was a nasty bitch. i’ll need to get a grip. not his
    fault really.
    they are all out in mass, and it feels like the end…

  252. Everthing the bots believe is predicated on one assumption: that she will do anything to keep her senate job. But just suppose that is not true. Or suppose she its true but there are higher goals, like maybe the country –ya think. In that case all their little threats and visions of a hostage situation are irrelevant, and she has the leverage. Or suppose Bill decides to tell the truth. Nobody can control bill–isnt that what they have been saying. Well, that makes him a little dangerous I would say. The real pressure here is on Bambi and msnbc.

  253. skmf: tell the little prick all glory is fleeting. Tell him you and 3 million more are voting for mccain/ Tell him 4 millon more are voting for some other candidate. Tell him bambi is going down hard. And dont kid yourself it is his fault. He hasnt the foggiest idea of what he is doing. If you have a mccain button put it on his back pack when he isnt looking.

  254. skm, hang in there and stay safe. We all knew this convention was going to be the bambi show. He will pay in November, trust me.

  255. THis guy on CNN says that the hate against GWB will unite the Dem’s, this guy is smokin something. I don’t hate GWB as much as I hate the 3 stooges and their GOD!

  256. wbboei,

    thx so much!

    its been weird.
    i know we are not going to pull this out, no matter
    how much i wont let it go, i know its over.

    i believe obama is the ‘DOOMSDAY SCENARIO’,
    and i cant believe we are going down this river
    without a paddle…

  257. This whole debacle is going to backfire bigtime on the dems.

    Americans don’t take lightly the repression of free speech,
    the repression of due process, the wholesale theft of an election.

    Have faith in the spirit of Americans.
    This is a Pyrrhic victory for the ‘new democratic’ party.

    I will not be bamboozled, hoodwinked or okie-doked into supporting the fraudulent Mr. American Idol.
    He is an embarrassment.

  258. skmf12, I always heard that those that laugh last laughs the hardest!! Your time is coming bots.

    If you can’t beat them, cheat them, BO’s new campaign slogan.

  259. Well folks, time to swallow any pride we have and basically do anything to make this arrogant bunch of pricks lives pure misery.

    I don’t care what we have to do to tear down Shrek and the magical fairytale swamp. It needs to be stopped.

    We are the new French resistence.

  260. CNN: Post-Biden Poll Shows Dead Heat (Obama-Biden Ticket Gets Dead Cat Bounce)

    lol

    It’s a dead heat in the race for the White House. The first national poll conducted entirely after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and Republican rival John McCain is all tied up.

    In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama with an equal amount supporting the Arizona senator.

    “This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

    “Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain,” adds Holland.

    So what’s the difference now?

    It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the Senator from New York as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee.

    Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters, registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee, are now backing Obama. That’s down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they’ll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

    “The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most although not all of the support McCain has gained in that time,” says Holland.

    If its CNN, add another 5 to McCain then.

  261. Amen, moonpluto. I now have ONE goal, politically. To destroy this cabal of faux-democrats, by any means necessary. I will never have the Democratic Party that I knew and loved back again unless these bastards go down in flames.

    Total destruction in November, period.

  262. News Flash! News Flash!

    Obama has just announced that he needs to take another vacation. He’s all tuckered out from all the me-me attention being lavished on him.

  263. haha

    Wanna know what the republicans are calling Obama/Biden

    I nearly fell on the floor.

    Street Thug and Butt Plug

  264. Biden did garner 0 delegates and 2,328 Iowa votes — 1% — 5th place in his presidential run.

    With numbers like that, the Obama-Biden team should be totally formidable.

  265. Oh this will be fun,

    Republicans are waiting to dump this one

    Geraldine Ferraro was forced out of Hillary’s campaign for commenting that Barack Obama was successful only because he is black.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3541772.ece

    Joe Biden said the following about Clarence Thomas: “I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black.”

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Thomas-Hill+hearings+revisited-a016139240

    Is Thomas on the court only because he is black?

    BIDEN: I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black. I don’t believe he could have won had he been white. And the reason is, I think it was a cynical ploy by President Bush.

  266. skmf12, think about the Kerry convention when you see all those Obama delegates. Despite all the happy delegates with Kerry buttons on their lapels, despite the massive hoopla on his behalf, and despite his easy nomination and unified convention, he lost the election.

    This convention, with another group of happy delegates with buttons on their lapels, and another dose of massive hoopla, is taking place in the shadow of a fractured Democratic party.

    All the celebration, political unity talk, and starry eyed delegates in the world can’t hide the fact that this convention has a political firestorm smoldering under the surface. It’s probably easy to get discouraged when you are surrounded by so many Obama people. But just because it looks like the battle has been lost doesn’t mean that the war has been won.

    Those Obama delegates may be smug now…but I’ll bet they will have a different attitude come November.

    I think the people here have good suggestions….if you are a delegate just keep doing what you are doing…I’m sure there are many there who will be on your side…

  267. Sen. Joe Biden’s gotten a lot of unsolicited advice on how to curb his gaffe habit, but he might start by practicing his running mate’s name.

    Three times during his inaugural speech as Barack Obama’s vice presidential candidate Saturday, Biden butchered Obama’s name — in different ways. Biden called Obama “Barackal Bama” and “Barack Obaman,” as well as — perhaps most bizarre — “Barack America.”

    Obama, by his own admission, has a “funny name,” and Biden did get it right at least a dozen times in his speech.

    But the mispronunciations did not go unnoticed. The campaign cleaned up the “Barackal” and “Obaman” slips in what it billed as a “verbatim” transcript of the speech sent out shortly after Biden wrapped up. And it replaced the “America” in “Barack America” with an ellipsis.

    Well Biden is 65, so he should be forgiven for a mental lapse or two or three. Plus most people feel that attacking a political candidate’s age is akin to ageism and only liberals do that.

  268. skmf, find some of the PUMA people to cheer you up. AmericanGal is correct – all conventions are set up to make everyone feel like their guy is invincible. I voted for Kerry, but told my friends I knew damn well he was going to lose.

    They were all shocked. I wasn’t. I know Americans, and they were not going to elect Kerry, and they are not going to elect Obama.

  269. Did you guys see this? First poll done completely after Obama picks Biden shows a dead heat. The number of Clinton supporters backing Obama DROPPED from 75 to 66 percent in a month. Looks like some of her supporters were backing him contingent on him choosing Hillary.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/24/cnn-poll-post-biden-poll-shows-dead-heat/#more-13948

  270. Hillary should do her thing on Tuesday, and as soon as she, Bill and Chelsea are done with their pieces, go on a nice, long well deserved vacation. Say, 72 days. To the South Seas.

    I was really holding out some hope that our people would rise. From No Quarter:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/24/report-hillary-will-release-her-delegates/#more-4373

  271. You really have to read this, he really is a SOB.

    therealjoebiden.wordpress.com/

    Over his long career in politics, Biden’s biggest financial supporter has been the giant credit card company MBNA, which was also one of George W. Bush’s biggest donors in 2000 and 2004. His son, Hunter Biden, was hired as a management trainee at MBNA straight out of law school, and was quickly promoted to executive vice president. The younger Biden has since left MBNA to establish his own lawyer-and-lobbying firm, but still receives a $100,000 per year consulting fee from the bank, which has since been swallowed by Bank of America. In 2006, Hunter Biden was appointed by President Bush to a five-year term on the Amtrak Reform Board.

    OpenSecrets reports for campaign years 1998 through 2004 alone, MBNA was indeed Biden’s top contributor—$214,050. In 2006, MBNA contributed $80,625; in this campaign cycle, for 2008, Bank of America has contributed $58,000 and MBNA Corp, $56,625. More on Biden’s lobbyist cash here.

    Then, on the little matter of the proposed bankruptcy bill—for which, by the way, Joe Biden has consistently voted in favor

    So what does the bill do? It makes it harder for average people to file for bankruptcy protection; it makes it easier for landlords to evict a bankrupt tenant; it endangers child-support payments by giving a wider array of creditors a shot at post-bankruptcy income; it allows millionaires to shield an unlimited amount of equity in homes and asset-protection trusts; it makes it more difficult for small businesses to reorganize while opening new loopholes for the Enrons of the world; it allows creditors to provide misleading information; and it does nothing to rein in lending abuses….

    It all—ALL—benefits the credit card companies and Credit Card Joe is their BFF.

  272. and they vetted and approved Biden, must have been desperation.

    The son of Barack Obama’s vice presidential pick, Sen. Joe Biden, is a top partner at a Washington law firm that has lobbied his father’s office, a family tie that could prove embarrassing for a campaign that has positioned itself as fighting lobbyists and special interests in Washington.

    In the first six months of this year R. Hunter Biden, a founding partner of Oldaker, Biden & Belair, has worked on accounts that brought it $470,000 from nine clients, according to lobbying disclosure records.…

    But the connections between the law firm and Biden are very close.

    For instance, William Oldaker, another named partner and former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission, has been Sen. Biden’s campaign treasurer for Congress.

    Oldaker has advised Biden on campaign issues, first during the Senator’s failed 1988 presidential bid. And while Oldaker has said he does not lobby Biden personally, he has spoken with Biden’s staff about some clients.

    I think the further they dig, Bidens shadiness is going to bubble up to the surface.

  273. File under: FAMOUS LAST WORDS

    “I am confident I will get her votes if I’m the nominee,” Obama stressed. “It’s not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee.”

    Wanna bet, you arrogant prick? I’m working on every Hillary supporter I know, and several have already flipped in the last 2 days to saying NOBAMA.

  274. Obviously, the vetting process was a sham. The campaign is hypocritical, especially when the VP nominee has close ties to lobbyists and special interests. I would call a son, “a special interest.”

  275. birdgal, I have come to believe that many Democrats are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They spend a LOT of time handwringing over the evil Republicans sleaziness but they are no better.

    I am one of those people who despises hypocrites MORE than I even despise evil people. At least the latter you don’t expect them to be different.

  276. It will be very easy to vote for McCain, which saddens me, but the democratic? party is dead. It is now, the Chicago machine on a national level.

  277. I swear to God, if any Democrat ever again tries to tell me that “progressives” are not just as sleazy if not sleazier than the right, I will spit in their face.

    This is a grab for money and power, nothing more, and the Lefty blogs have been complicit because they have greedy starry eyes over being big PLAYAHS in the new fiefdom. They want to be the new Beltway Boys, and screw true Democracy if they can get their piece of the pie.

    They crashed the gate, but they did it with thuggery and slime, then forgot what they were there for and started looting the place.

  278. I cannot believe Obama chose Biden as his running mate. Not only is this insulting; it is political suicide. Are Democrats interested in winning, or are they bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?

  279. pulch: I think, it is pure arrogance. The DNC believes that they will win. If they fix enough voting machines, they just may. What they didn’t plan for, were millions of Hillary supporters not falling for the unity mantra. Biden is up to his ears in special interests and lobbyists, which makes the entire campaign theme, a total farce and hypocritical.

  280. Paula-

    This was posted at red states re. the meeting at feinstein house:

    I have it from a reliable source (retired California Democratic party worker who still has great connections within the party) of what happened at that private meeting held at Diane Feinstein’s house.
    Obama offered Hillary the VP slot.
    Hillary told him very brusquely “Thanks, but no thanks”.

    Also, see my post from yesterday from an inside observer of the final hours of campaign: she did not want the vp.

    Also, the inside source or souces I have tell me same she did not want it,

    The bambi campaign pretended she did but it was a lie.

  281. I already got an email from Biden. I reply to ALL of my money begging emails from the party, because I am on all the lists. I use their paid return envelopes for snail mail to reply, as well (costs them money to hear me say NO, ha!)

    Dear Senator Biden,

    I am terribly disappointed that you decided to fall in line behind a man we both know is completely and utterly unfit to be president. I am sorry that you saw fit to endorse the thuggery and caucus intimidation that was the untold truth of this sham of a primary. After almost 25 years of voting for Democrats, I sadly will be casting my vote for John McCain this November, and possibly voting a straight Republican ticket.

    I own my vote. I will be heard.

  282. Ted Kennedy is speaking at the convention and playing him a video tribute, how morbid. Wait til the old bastard drops dead first and hopefully thats soon.

    Mind you Obama would bump him off at the convention, if he thought it got him a poll bump.

  283. H4T, I am emailing every nasty ad that i can find against the democrats. I will work as hard as I can to make sure the little prick gets none of Hillary’s voters!!
    He can take his lying, cheating self back to Chicago.

  284. birdgal, they planned on “we are the ones we have been waiting for” (gag), but they didn’t plan on US.

    WE ARE THE ONES THEY NEVER EXPECTED

  285. I cannot believe Obama chose Biden as his running mate. Not only is this insulting; it is political suicide. Are Democrats interested in winning, or are they bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
    ———————————————-
    my sense is the kennedy cabal wanted a centrist democrat from the clinton camp but no one wanted to step aboard, so at the last minute they reached out to Biden a Kennedy loyalist. It was an acto of desperation-not party unity.

  286. i’m sorry, i am not at the convention, sorry for the
    misunderstanding.

    i work for the airline that has the contract, to fly the delegates around the country to the convention.
    denver is one of our hubs…

    anyway, we have all these delegates and democratic
    leaders flying out on us from san francsico.

    okay for instance, diane feinstein told us today she
    is not going to the convention, she has a broken
    foot, and she isnt feeling well..(good for her)

    my favorite mayor gavin newsom, is going, he is
    hosting the indyrock show for the convention.
    gavin said he is looking forward to being at the convention, and that he supports the democrats
    100%…
    i’m like, ‘not gavin’! he hates obama…
    then ofcourse all these other ‘rich latte’ liberal, dot
    com, billionaires, are on the way to crown their king!

    WHATEVER…
    WHATEVER…

  287. Moon, Yuk, That’s one speech I will not watch, he has done more in his lifetime to sullie the Kennedy name than any of the other drug addicts, rapists, murderer and philanderers with the name of kennedy have done!

  288. Mind you Obama would bump him off at the convention, if he thought it got him a poll bump.
    ———————————————
    QED> We know he is willing to throw his grandmother under the bus, so what you say is a forgone conclusion.

  289. We know he is willing to throw his grandmother under the bus, so what you say is a forgone conclusion.

    ……………………I’m surprised Granny didnt die peacefully in her sleep when Bambi was visiting so she couldnt spill any secrets.

  290. wbboei, I can believe Hillary didn’t want VP. That would be one explanation of why Obama didn’t vet her.

  291. I swear to God, if any Democrat ever again tries to tell me that “progressives” are not just as sleazy if not sleazier than the right, I will spit in their face.
    ——————————————–
    Hillary for Texas: I believe they areworse actually. They pretend to be virtuous when they do it.

  292. Paula, I wonder what it will be after the unity convention??? 75% to 66% after the news of the vp diss and the cabinet position diss, that number is going to plummet~

  293. Moon, When I was young and broken hearted about the death of JFK and RFK, I wished that Ted would run, but as I got older and realized what he did to his secretary, leaving her to die like that. She was young with her life ahead of her. In true Kennedy fashion, their life, and their legacy supercedes anyones else’s. I am sure he will need a/c where he is going when he leaves this earth. THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

  294. FUCKERS. No roll call?

    Stephanopoulos: No Roll Call Vote for Clinton?
    “The whole idea of a roll call vote could be in flux at this point,” Stephanopoulos told ABC’s Charles Gibson on World News Sunday night.
    “The Clinton people here, they’ve said they wanted catharsis, they wanted that roll call, but they may not get it,” Stephanopoulos said, describing the decision as one being discussed at the highest levels of Clinton’s camp. “They don’t want to be blamed for any trouble at this convention.”
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    Yeah, they were going to do a roll call vote, but in the past two days were SHITTING THEIR OBAMAMAN UNDEROOS at the thought that the delegates might actually vote their Democratic conscience.

    So now they’re in “cancel a true rollcall, lockdown the delegates and threaten Hillary with political oblivion if she balks” mode.

  295. I’m thinking that Obama had very few choices left when he picked Biden for VP. It will come to bite him big time.

  296. Everyone is a smart and informed blogger. Please do not believe the Assoc.Press media on Hillary planning to give up her delegates on Weds. When did she give them the report? It is another trick by the dnc/media to get rid of Hillary. Her supporters including you, villagers and puma have work especially hard to fight on her behalf. Puma and 527′ are in Denver. The Ob camp and dnc are very afraid of this group and Hillary and Bill. Obama camp/dnc are now pulling at straws. There are way over 300 delegates who have signed pledges to support Hillary on vote call. The puma’ are there to watch and support her supporters. They do not have to be afraid. Her supporters want her to win and become our Potus. Please do not give up the fight. Any newly identified problem such as vote count etc will be handled by the puma’ and her supporters. Thankful the issue has been identified. Ob camp/dnc are running out of tricks so close to the convention. The trick bag is empty and it is not halloween yet. In the early days of the primary when I first came on board in support of Hillary, I was blogging like mad to everyone to watch the Rizko trial events, look into usasurvival.org investigation results on 5/22 in the capitol pertaining to an investigation done on Obama relations with Commun. underground and thecityedition.com these web sites were up long before any of the later sites were established after the primary. Yes, hillary is 44 was up than. The recent issue of the fraud birth certificate of Obama I think the Judge wrote in his report something about waiting till the convention to bring the matter up. I am happy that all the evidence has been entered and the case remains open. What I am saying and meaning well is why did we not act sooner when the evidence related to Obama issues were first know? I don’t know, I don’t know if there was a reason to wait? perhaps fear of the media?
    Dear bloggers. Good people. Let’s not conclude that Hillary is not going to be nominated. Why? Have you read the Hillary is 44 information and taken ADM. seriously. ADM. must know something that she/he cannot or will not reveal to us now. My gut feeling tells me to hang in there and continue the dream that Hillary wants and will be nominated. I don’t think and of course I could be wrong that Hillary would go this far for nothing. All she would have to do in one sentence is to say STOP. I want to get off. What if Obama is not nominated and Hillary does not run? No DNC for sure. I am shaking a little after writing this but I hope it will help you to be patient a little longer. Than well celebrate together on line with a scotch, soda or coke and blog away success.
    Wait till Mc campaign runs the Whitey Tape on Mo. It is for real, I was able to see the pictures but not play the tape.

  297. DENVER, Colorado (CNN) — It’s a dead heat in the race for the White House.

    The first national poll conducted after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that the battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and John McCain is all tied up.

    In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominees, with an equal amount supporting his Republican opponent, McCain.

    “This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit

    advantage over McCain.”

    So what’s the difference now?

    It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the New York senator and former first lady as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee. Watch are Clinton backers on board? »

    Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters — registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee — are now backing Obama. That’s down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they’ll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

    “The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most, although not all, of the support McCain has gained in that time,” Holland said.

    Clinton and Obama battled throughout the primary season, with Clinton winning more than 40 percent of the delegates. She suspended her bid for the White House and backed Obama in early June, after the end of primary season.

    The majority of registered voters, 54 percent, say Obama’s choice of Biden, D-Delaware, as his running mate is an “excellent” or “good decision.” That number jumps to 73 percent when just asked of registered Democrats. But it drops to 59 percent when narrowed to Clinton supporters.

    “It’s not that there’s anything wrong with the choice of Joe Biden. A majority rate the Biden selection as excellent or pretty good. Voters think he is qualified to be president, and with the exception of Al Gore in 1992, the public ranks Biden as the most qualified running mate in recent times,” Holland said.
    “A lot of Americans don’t know who he is, but his favorable rating is 13 points higher than his unfavorables. But Biden is not Hillary Clinton, and it’s possible that is enough to have moved some of her supporters away from the Democratic ticket, at least temporarily,” says Holland.

    Among all Democrats, only 38 percent say Obama should have selected Clinton as his running mate.

    Still, 74 percent of all voters questioned in the survey said Obama’s selection of Biden as a running mate won’t have any effect on their vote for president.

    The poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all voters. For registered Democrats, it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, and for Democrats who still support Clinton for the party’s nomination, it is plus or minus 7.5 percentage points.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/24/election.2008.poll/index.html

  298. Have we ever had a Democratic convention (since the 1960’s) without a tribute to the Kennedy’s? does anybody know?

  299. DENVER — With polls finding the presidential race tied as Democrats prepared to start their national convention Monday, Barack Obama’s campaign sought to reassure party members irritated that he didn’t pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate and rival John McCain worked to exploit those tensions.

    While he pondered his own choice of a running mate, McCain’s camp rushed out a new TV ad Sunday claiming that Obama punished Clinton for criticizing him during their long and often heated primary battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    The ad then says that Obama deliberately slighted Clinton by passing over her to pick Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as his vice presidential running mate.

    “Who won millions of votes but isn’t on the ticket?” the ad says. “Why? For speaking the truth.”

    Obama aides fanned out to try to tamp down any lingering anger or dissent among Clinton fans that might threaten party unity at the carefully scripted-for-television four-day convention.

    Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod , stressed that Clinton endorsed the Biden pick, apparently hoping that would sway any disgruntled Clinton supporters.

    “He felt that Senator Biden would be the best fit for him at this time,” Axelrod said on ABC’s This Week program.

    “And I was pleased that Senator Clinton gave such a robust endorsement to Senator Biden as the nominee yesterday . . . . I think it was a good choice. I think everybody recognizes it.”

    Axelrod also said that Obama respects Clinton and will listen to her advice during the campaign.

    “He has a high regard for Senator Clinton . She’s going to be an important voice in this campaign. She’s going to be an important voice in moving this country forward in the next administration.”

    Aides revealed that Obama spoke by telephone last week with both Hillary and Bill Clinton , though they wouldn’t reveal specifics.

    The skirmish between Obama and McCain came as the two major parties prepared to start back-to-back conventions that will set the stage for a hard-fought fall campaign.

    A new Gallup tracking poll released Sunday found Obama and McCain tied, each with the support of 45 percent of registered voters. Gallup said the immediate reaction to Obama’s choice of Biden was “rather unenthusiastic” and that Obama “received no immediate benefit” in interviews conducted nationwide on Saturday.

    *****************************************

  300. Don’t get me wrong, I was very much a supporter of Robert Kennedy and I remember how my parents grieved when JFK was killed. I am very grateful for the work that some of Bobby’s children have done, including Bobby Jr.’s environmental dedication. But how can you run on “change” and drop your anchor in the Kennedy and daly political machines?

  301. Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, stressed that Clinton endorsed the Biden pick, apparently hoping that would sway any disgruntled Clinton supporters.

    Like she had any other choice, lol.

  302. skmf12

    With new from the polls like that:

    I THINK O SHOULD RELEASE HIS DELEGATES ON WEDNESDAY FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY.

    But then we know he does not care about the good of the country.

  303. And if she did in fact turn down the chance to be VP the Obama camp will never be able to admit that because it’s too embarrassing for them.

  304. If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was the winning candidate, I bet Obama would have been salivating to become her VP.

  305. “He has a high regard for Senator Clinton . She’s going to be an important voice in this campaign. She’s going to be an important voice in moving this country forward in the next administration.”

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Right…ever hear of actions speaking louder than words? He has consistently disrespected Hillary. How stupid does he think we are? It is criminal how she has been treated by Obama and company? How many examples could be give/and have we given. HOw about “periodically experiences mood changes” … how about blaming her for the assasination for Bhuto?…how about Michelle’s first shot, “if a woman can’t manage her own house how can she run the White House?” And so on and so on….

  306. After several hours of some serious introspection I have decided that I too will support obama for the sake of party unity. NOT.OOOH can’t even believ I was able to type that without becoming physically ill.

  307. The credentials committee restored full delegations to Florida and Michigan today. I would like to see Florida get the ball rolling and tell the DNC “Up Yours” and cast all their votes for Hillary.

  308. Can you even imagine such failure to perform, being rewarded by any American policial party.

    He got the nomination from 1) fraud in IOWA 2)wining Red states and stealing delegates in a lot of caucuses and state conventions.

    They tried really hard to make this look democractic, but the American people are seeing through this. (You could not have had more media spinning it your way in subliminal ways even).

    The polls are so pathetic at this point, any normal political party would make an emergency adjustment. But not this group.

    They will know in November who the American people thinks should be the leader of this country.

  309. What I want to know what Unity they are talking about?? Maybe the Unity they are talking about is the one that reaches across to encompass Rove, because its not us!!

  310. On the roll call vote changes people reported earlier…I was just thinking the following: if the actual vote is now to be made behind closed doors at the hotel won’t that be another voter relations disaster for the DNC?? I mean, all the news shows and pundits will talk about is the fact that the roll call vote isn’t going to be public. Then they will talk about why, and that will lead to more talk about Hillary and the DNC fears that delegates would try something. That in turn will lead to a discussion of how the DNC wants the convention to be all about “unity”.

    Won’t all this just make even more Hillary supporters pull away from Obama? It seems to me to be another mistake by the DNC…

  311. Fete deadbeat but still kicking Kennedy and ignore a true maverick. It is going to make me infinately happy to register as an independent the day after the convention ends.

  312. I predict that his treatment of Hillary, and his obvious shunning of her during the VP process, will come back to haunt him. It’s going to cause greater scrutiny on him, I think.

  313. I have a question, does Hillary’s campaign know about how many delegates are still with them and will vote for her?

  314. I think so, people will be begin to see how narcissistic he is. The roll call thing will show just how insecure they are about their unity campaign.
    The idiots know they are sitting on a powder keg. I can imagine that is why the “One” is not there until Thursday. We would want his little fragile feelings to be hurt. What does this grown man cry or what??

  315. OK I TRIED POSTING THIS BEFORE, MAYBE THIS WILL WORK THIS TIME… 😀

    **A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event.

    ROTFL! Not to the fourth paragraph do we hear the source, anonymous, and NOT FROM THE HILLARY CAMP.

    Oh sure, she’ll “release” them, but then say, “vote your conscience” Wink-Wink.

    The Hillary camp should look for two ways to win. One, with the vote, or two, as the roll call goes down and Brazile suspends rules to proclaim Obama the Chosen One, Hillary is a shoo in for 2012 b/c any person, not just close followers, will see Hillary was mistreated.

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    Comment by maniaco | 2008-08-24 20:18:27

    oh man! good eye, good catch.
    by now the DNC has put out so much BS, they should patent it.

    besides which, since when does a candidate release delegates TO someone?
    i can see simply “releasing” delegates, but then they’re free to vote Kucinich, Miguelito Raton (Mickey Mouse) or whoverthef*ck they want.

    am i (w)right?

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    Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-24 20:41:19

    They are doing everything they can to FORCE Clinton to “control” her delegates the way obambi controls his. That’s not the way it works. We voted Clinton because she is a LEADER, not a dictator. Those votes are committed to her because we chose to give them to her. Barack feels he OWNS his delegates, they are his to do with what he wants and thinks that how it works. It doesn’t work that way. Hillary has created a situation where they can lay absolutely no blame on her at all and cannot cry or complain about rules or anything else.
    Clinton yet again shows us her genius. When she “releases” her delegates, then ALL delegates are released, obama’s as well since there is technically no one holding delegates when she releases hers. His are then free to vote as they please, just as Hillary’s are and I’m sure Hillary’s delegates are intelligent enough (or have been explained to) to realize this and to share it with those Obama delegates who are are experiencing buyer’s remourse.
    When Hillary “releases” her delegates, then ALL delegates are “FREE” since there is only one person claiming tho hold any and when the role call vote is made, ALL delegates can vote for anyone they so desire. This may be the most ingenious idea ever thought of by any candidate in any race in this nation. A role call must be made in order to officially make a nomination.
    No pledged delegates for any opponent=no pledged delegates for anyone. Every delegate may vote as they see fit. By releasing her own, she realeases obama’s as well, with or without his consent since there is no longer a contending person to hold pledged delegates and all are free to vote as they wish.
    This is my opinion and understanding and I could be wrong, but I believe this is the way that it works out.

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    Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-24 20:55:23

    Additionally, if she releases her delegates, obama’s campt can NOT “challenge” any of them because they are not affiliated any longer. Another brilliant move.
    Of course, she can still challenge his, since he’s not ABOUT to release HIS pledged delegates (formally that is).
    Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

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    Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-24 20:58:36

    I wonder if this will force changes in the “delegates at large” since there must be equality in the number of males and females causing delegates at large to be replaced by the proper gender? (that is, previously favorable at large delegates for barack being replace by delegates who are favorable toward Hillary due to gender differences making it equitible for delegates at large” ?

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    Comment by CheapEmptySuit | 2008-08-24 20:45:08

    10 states require they vote for who they are pledged to. It’s the law!

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    Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-24 21:13:33

    I can’t imagine a single Clinton delegate voting for obama even after they are released from their pledge. They are dedicated to Hillary or they wouldn’t be there. It’s obama’s delegates that are experiencing buyer’s remorse.
    This will prevent any challenges to any of her delegates (who will still vote for her), may change some at-large delegates, and still leaves his delegates up to be challenged before the roll call vote.
    She just beat him at his own game.

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    Comment by PewL | 2008-08-24 21:02:07

    Cnn when the roll call begins,she may stop them before they hit the 50 State mark,and Cnn also said, they can vote for whomever they want.

    I sure hope they woke up and will vote Clinton for the nominee..It would be better if it came from Obama though, and drop out.

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    Comment by lusitania | 2008-08-24 21:06:20

    For those who are saying here that they are looking forward to a Clinton victory in 2012 if we do not get one in 2008, I would suggest that the work begins on Thursday coming.

    1. Do all you can to see that Obama loses in November and that we score a McCain victory. We all know the problems that an Obama victory would cause for the country and then some we don’t know about. He still has not been vetted properly, he is unqualified, too, too liberal, and the rest.
    Four years of McCain will bode better for our country than any time with Barry.

    2. Continue to maintain a PUMA presence and organize for 2012 so that nothing like this primary election fiasco happens again!

    I love Hillary Clinton. God Bless Her. She must be going through a terrible time right now. A lesser woman would not have been able to get through this with as much dignity and class as she has exhibited.

    Hillary in ‘08 or McCain it will be. Country before Party. Always.

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    Comment by trixta | 2008-08-24 21:50:49

    lusitania–Obama is no liberal. He’s to the right of HRC on almost all issues.

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    Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-24 20:22:09

    After doing some research I retract my statement of go Hillary. Until we get a confirmation that this is from Hillary its a fake and here is what i found:

    Here is where this story is likely coming from and being pushed by obama people.
    This opinion was posted on Yahoo from Nation at 1:18 am sunday.

    Notice the time of posting

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/348001/will_clinton_release_her_delegates

    Will Clinton Release Her Delegates? posted by John Nichols on 08/24/2008 @ 01:18am
    DENVER — Will Hillary Clinton’s name actually be placed in nomination for the presidency on the third day of the Democratic National Convention?
    And if the senator’s name is placed in nomination, will there be an actual roll-call vote? Or will a call be made for the nomination of Barack Obama by acclamation?
    Those are the last open questions of the convention that will open Monday in Denver.
    On Wednesday afternoon, at 1 p.m., Clinton will gather her delegates, alternates and allies at the Colorado Convention Center.
    A crowd of 5,000 is expected, according to Clinton aides and allies.
    Clinton could issue a call to arms. And she has an agreement with the Obama campaign to go forward with the nomination and roll-call.
    But Clinton and her aides are worried.
    Many of her delegates have formally endorsed Obama, and more than a few plan to vote for him on that first ballot.
    There is open discussion in the Clinton camp about what the embarrassment level might be?
    What if her vote were to fall below the 1,219 secured by the Rev. Jesse Jackson at the 1988 Democratic National Convention?
    Or the 596 that former California Governor Jerry Brown received at the 1992 convention — the last to see nominations and a roll-call involving challengers to the eventual nominee?
    Clinton is unlikely to risk it.
    The New York senator can, and very probably will, release her delegates at the meeting Wednesday afternoon.
    She has a super-delegate vote and she is now expected to announce that she will cast it for Obama.
    Her 40 floor “whips” — who have been polling and consulting with delegates — would then encourage Clinton backers to follow the senator’s lead.
    If that happens, the contest for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination will formally be done before the roll-call vote.
    That does not mean that, if a roll-call were to go forward, Clinton would get no votes.
    But if Clinton is not nominated, votes cast for her could under convention rules be counted as “present.” And there might not be all that many of them.

    This Opinion Piece was then carried on Yahoo news here:
    news.yahoo.com/story//thenation/20080824/cm_thenation/45348001

    Then came the Chicago Sun Times story here:
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124075,clinton082408.article

    Clinton expected to release delegates Wednesday
    August 24, 2008Recommend
    FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Which came from AP:

    Aug 24, 7:51 PM EDT
    Clinton expected to release delegates Wednesday
    By DEVLIN BARRETT

    Associated Press Writer
    hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_CLINTON?SITE=OHALL2&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Notice the posting times for the original opinion piece and the story.
    News? Or Newsmaking?

    Not Sure but what has the media got right this election season when it comes to pump and dumping for Senator Obamarosa Been lyin?

  316. DENVER – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to unite the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.
    —————————————————–

    That makes no sense. ‘Releasing’ delegates means you are not holding them to their promise and they are free to vote as they wish. You cannot release them to someone else. They are either pledged or not.

    Why can’t the media understand that Hillary doesn’t own their votes or ours. She can ask, or recommend but we OWN OUR VOTES. The delegates represent the VOTERS who sent them there and once their pledges are fulfilled, they are always free to vote their consciences.

    What am I saying?!?!?!? The above only pertains to a democratic, honest process. I was having a senior nostalgic moment.

    Emily Latella: “Never mind.”

  317. The Chicago Thugs have corrupted the whole system and I bet Hillary knows this machine is going down and she wants to get as far away as she can, so she will not ruin her career when it goes down.

  318. I want to suggest to anybody reading this who might be a Democrat – whether a delegate or not – to change your party affiliation to Independent, or unregister yourself as a Democrat. We need a new party. Clearly, the Democratic party has changed to being as undemocratic as possible, is employing thug-like tactics, and Obama’s approach to getting superdelegate is by throwing money into their war chest. I am focusing my efforts on asking Democrats to unregister as such.

  319. August 24, 2008 8:11 PM

    ABC News’ Nitya Venkataraman reports: After former rivals Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton worked to broker a deal where Clinton’s name would be placed into nomination alongside Obama’s at the Democratic convention, speculation swirls in Denver that Clinton insiders may be willing to accept no roll-call vote, fearing the blame of disrupting the party’s efforts at unity.

    ABC News’ Chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos says no decisions have yet been made, but that the state-by-state vote faces the possibility of elimination in favor of Obama’s nomination “by acclamation.”

    “The whole idea of a roll call vote could be in flux at this point,” Stephanopoulos told ABC’s Charles Gibson on World News Sunday night.

    “The Clinton people here, they’ve said they wanted catharsis, they wanted that roll call, but they may not get it,” Stephanopoulos said, describing the decision as one being discussed at the highest levels of Clinton’s camp. “They don’t want to be blamed for any trouble at this convention.”

    The roll call vote was planned in an effort to soothe Clinton supporters bitterly disappointed by her loss to Obama during the primary season.

    An ABC News/Washington Post poll released Sunday showed Obama only receiving the support of 79 percent of Democrats — a number Stephanopoulos says is due in part to the fact that Obama doesn’t yet have all of Clinton’s supporters on board.
    http:/ /blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/stephanopoulos.html

  320. Paula

    We don’t have to rely on secret unnamed sources about Hillary not wanting to be VP. She said it loud and clear in the NY Mag interview in early June. She said the same thing in another reliable media during the campaign. Also in the Couric interview at Hillary’s home she said she would be happy as “the Senator from New York.” Since June she’s made a point of saying she was happy to be back home in the Senate.

    Also there is the evidence of Bill’s behavior — not what he’d do if he was courting Obama for Hillary to get VP.

  321. All this money they spent and the shock and awe of the convention stage all for a loser like Barack Hussein Obama. The democrats will be laughed at for years for this fiasco!

  322. Also there is the evidence of Bill’s behavior — not what he’d do if he was courting Obama for Hillary to get VP.

    Great point.

  323. notready08.com/Response/002.htm
    GOP opens ‘war room’ at Democratic convention
    2 hours ago
    A new GOP website with videos and ads, along with plans of rapid responses to attack on GOP nominee John Mccain and to speeches from Democrats.

  324. Rather than vote for Obama and award him the nomination by acclamation were I a Clinton delegate I would walk out. HIllary and Bill Clinton have pledged to do all that they can do. At least Hillary can. But she, Hillary, cannot change Obama into a different person, like, for example, make him into a humble public servant, one who respects people. She cannot change him into somebody who respects her or feels for the “common man.” I suspect that Obama cannot even “feel” on that level.

  325. T4H, What a freaking mess this is, so now you are saying they a pull the roll call because her supporters are unruly and want the real winner. The damn idiots should know that this will equal a loss in November. I wish I really knew what was going on!!
    What part of NO do they not understand?? NOBAMA NEVER!!

  326. its a shame that the APA doesn’t endorse. This megalomania has to be a symptom of a much deeper disorder. I think he has a borderline personality.

  327. Molly, I wish we could get that message out, if they do not have a fair and open convention with a real roll call, all the delegates and super delegates need to WALK OUT!! Now that would make a statement.
    If they try to screw with the roll call vote we all worked to get, that’s it, walk out!

  328. that is the talk it appears. if this decision i s made might as well go home. i bet many will go straight to mccain. fiorna btw is in denver this week for citizens for mccain courting clinton activists

  329. T4H, After watching the scum Coward on today, I think they are scared of an all out brawl (fist fight) on the convention floor. Just like the ones you see in South Korea. That is what they should get too since they have ran this primary straight out of the Iraqi election playbook!

  330. Some of the posters on riverdaughter blog are funny tnight! Thought I’d share one:

    Let’s see…less than 48 hours after the much-awaiting VEEP decision and

    2 gaffes (Barack America and my edjumacated wife)
    2 wang-dang doodle McCain Ads
    and a lobbying scandal.

    Bravo Oh great “O” Intergalactic Warrior Emperor of the Milky Way and Beyond.

    Please Please…speech…speech.. that’ll make it all better.
    No more politics of the past (except for your VEEP)
    No more support for legislators that supported the AUMF (except for your VEEP)
    No more lobbying influence (except for your VEEP)
    hopey changey hopey changey yayayayaya!!

  331. They better no blame Hillary for this, they are the one that played the race card and dissed Hillary for VP and are not allowing her to be on the cabinet if he wins. He is the divider and not the uniter, Bush III.

  332. confloyd
    think about they must be confounded. I bet the very last thing they ever expected was a bunch of woman over 40 descending on Denver. I really think they thought everyone would tow the party line.

  333. Paula Says:
    And if she did in fact turn down the chance to be VP the Obama camp will never be able to admit that because it’s too embarrassing for them.
    ================

    FAct: HIllary had for some reason stated that although she did not want VP, she would accept it as a favor to the party if requested.

    My speculateion: With a lot of pressure on her to accept, and to save Obama’s face, she privately agreed with him that he not ask her. He certainly wouldn’t want her and Bill involved!

    There’s also what some have called the Desilu theory. NO one wanted Hillary to be VP: not her, not Obama, not Bill…. But she had foolishly promised. So Bill and Obama faked a public scuffle to scuttle the idea….

  334. Oh my god!! You guys are gonna love this!! Obama has discovered the 58th state!!

    notready08.com/Response/002.htm

  335. So another torturous step, Hill releasing – or urging – her delegates to go to BO.

    And still the question lingers; what does she get for all this?
    For not decimating the party and giving – yes, giving, on a silver fucking platter – this neophyte the nomination? What?! SCOTUS?

    I can’t imagine anything, even a seat on the court, being worth that much to her. I can’t help but suspect something much more sinister.

  336. turndownobama

    Your theory sounds about right. When she said no to it on three different occasions I think we can believe that is an accurate statement of her position. I am sure there was the pressure and I have no explanation why Lanny was pushing for it other than he thought she might want it or was taking a que from what bill said.

  337. Another funny one:

    This just in….
    “DNC replaces Delegate selection process with celebrity judges.

    In a surprising turn of events, Howard Dean announced this evening that in order to ensure that the selection process was viewed fair by all involved parties, the usual delegate selection process has been cancelled. In its place will be a process involving a celebrity panel of judges that will rate and critique the candidate’s speeches during the primetime viewing spot.
    Immediately following, voting by text messaging will be allowed by those already logged into the system established by the Obama campaign’s Pimp My VEEP Text program. Celebrity judges selected to participate are Vanilla Ice, Anna Nicole Smith’s baby, and Scarlett Johanssen.”

  338. Bluedem: until you hear Hillary say this herself do not believe it. Obama is putting out alot of disinformation right now.

  339. If Hillary releases her delegates without letting them do what they pledged to do, vote for her at convention, she is slapping us/them across the face and telling us to fall in line. After working for her, supporting her, donating money to her, fighting for her and compete dedication. Nevermind how much it costs for each delegate to travel, take time off work, etc to just get to Denver for a week of convention. Yep, slap in the face. Don’t do it, Hillary.

  340. This is so sad, how wonderful would it have been to have a Hillary/Barack ticket. Bill and Hillary taking the youngster under their wing and teaching him the ropes to keep the Whitehouse for 16 years. Then and only then can I see this waste of money worth it.

  341. what with these Pelosi’s all writing books, do they know that their Mom is a very hated woman in a America!

  342. how wonderful would it have been to have a Hillary/Barack ticket.

    Connie, I ate greek salad for dinner. That would be an ugly meal to throw up.

  343. shenanigans, if she “releases” them, all that means is that they can vote how they want. They can still choose her if they want.

    She is leaving it up to the delegates themselves. That’s no slap in the face.

  344. If Hillary did not want it she should’ve been very explicit. “I’m happy being the Senator from NY” is not the same as saying “I do not want to be Vice PResident.” She should’ve said, “There are plenty of other people who can be VP.” I now see in hindsight that she probably didn’t want it. Having Terry McAuliffe say “I;ve decided Joe Biden is the best person for VP a way a long time ago.” But in the final analysis this anger is about the dishonest and disingenuous way that Obama “won” the nomination. It’s not about VP. Hillary has more important ways to serve than to iron BO’s shirts. It was the disrespectful way that she and her supporters have been treated. We put up with abuse during caucuses, threatening phone calls, disruption at conventions, and the most extreme media bias in the history of US elections and we’re suppose to say, “oh, sure, it was all good democratic fun; thank you very much sir, may I have another!” I’ve got something: how about BO apologize…How about he apologize for calling Hillary and Bill racists (and having his surrogates do stuff). How about Michelle apologize for her remarks about Hillary?

  345. henry, her multiple surgeries are the reason for her “God has blessed us” comment on Obama. It seems in her last procedure, her flappy neck skin got yanked right up around her eyes, and she in confusion mistook it for the wings of a white dove alighting as she gazed at the chosen one.

  346. Why would Hillary’s campaign, after working hard and most likely after difficult negotiations, to get the roll call vote, suddenly be considering to not go through with it. That doesn’t make sense…There was still the chance of disruption before…what has changed?

  347. Well hell, since we’re doling out apologies…how about Joe Biden apologize to the women of America for sayin his wife was drop dead gourgeous, but her PhD was a problem.

  348. It is rather interesting that Nancy really didn’t want to connect much with the American people – particularly around the topic of impeaching Bush – until she wrote a book and needed to get re-election. Now she’s talking about trying to save the planet. Go hug a whale, Poopsi.

  349. Rumor is that all sorts of stuff is coming out on Biden (like his son’s lawsuits, lobbying scandals), because he was never vetted for VP either. I read that some Dem party source says that Biden was a last-ditch choice because the blowback from the Georgia mess freaked BO out, and he needed a nanny with gravitas, FAST. Biden was the only one willing to do it, but they had no time to vet him.

  350. Idunn, I left out the most important part, and that is if Barack would have been an honorable man. The we could have just smoozed the whole world with the duo. Instead the is a thief, ganster, racist and a woman hater.

  351. confloyd
    may I assume you won’t be voting for bambi. Just to let you know I heard at least 4 no neck twentysomething nerdy white boys saying we will be united by thursday. they were on the tele so I’m thinking its gotta be true.

  352. When someone, maybe a delegate, asks whether there is a chance for Hillary and who to contact — what do I tell them? Other than the obvious — vote for Hillary any chance you get, don’t be confused or distracted.

    Is anyone coordinating things for the roll call delegates other than the 300 nominating petition?

    tdo/at/turndownobama.com

  353. mollyjrichards,

    It’s meaningless to second guess whether Hillary wants VP or not. Hillary is a smart politician, even she doesn’t want VP, she’s NOT going to declare it. By giving an ambiguous answer ‘I’ll do everything I can to elect Obama…’ puts the ball square into Obama’s court. It’s Obama’s decision whether he thinks he needs her or not. It is now entirely his responsibility for a possible loss without Hillary on the ticket.

    Nice, strategic move, in my humble opinion.

  354. HillaryforTexas, I understand that….but damn. I’m so sick of this entire fucking charade. And it hasn’t even started.

  355. Kostner, Politically, that is absolutely correct and I think your analysis is very good and I agree it’s a good strategy for her. I don’t see how the VP would benefit her. I probably need to stay away from the tv this week. I am pretty much done with politics.

  356. It was Nancy’s daughter on Hannity that said Hillary was going to release her delegates on Wednesday.
    ———————————————
    She is a Hillary hater and cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

  357. On a lighter note, I heard that we’re all be getting calls on Thursday night from delegates at the convention.

  358. When someone, maybe a delegate, asks whether there is a chance for Hillary and who to contact — what do I tell them?

    If they are a delegate, remind them that it is their duty to reflect the will of the people of their state!!

  359. On a lighter note, I heard that we’re all be getting calls on Thursday night from delegates at the convention.

    Let me guess… 3 am text messages? 😉

  360. Henry, NO I will not vote for Obama and I am glad Hillary is not on the ticket because I won’t have to get that sick feeling when I pull a straight republican ticket. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like McCain, I am using the republicans to get what I want and that is the clean the dem party out of the NOI’s and NBPP’s and all the stupid tree huggers.
    Most of all my Chrisitan upbringing will not let me vote for Obama.
    So these no neckers are red neckers?? If their boys they are fooling you, they are Obama bots running around griping and then saying they will unite on Thursday, I don’t freaking believe them!

  361. “This is much bigger than Hillary,” said Pam Durham, a Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, Texas. “I have a responsibility. I do not own my vote. I have to represent the voters who sent me.”

    Take it to church, Pam!! 🙂

  362. At this point I hope the whole Clinton coalition will just walk out of the convention and go home.I think I will pray for that tonight!

  363. confloyd
    sorry I was being sarcastic. I am with you 100% about voting for McCain. Just thought it was kinda funny that they kept saying we would be united by thursday. Never ever ever will I vote for bambi.

  364. The GOP will have field days with both Biden and Waffles. Oh, what were they thinking? Oh, that’s right, they weren’t. Biden has been on the list, why wasn’t he vetted. Why not Bayh? Isn’t he cleaner than Mr. MBNA? I hate MBNA.

  365. God if I was in Denver I would be at kinkos at this moment making up my credentials to be on the floor representing the great state eau claire.

  366. Sometimes i wonder if Bambi wants to lose, it seems more likely that he wants to lose.
    BTW, I am tired of heard about the fraud.

  367. LOL…I don’t know why the hell I find that so funny. I think in the imaginary state of Eau Claire, their lisence plates say, “Let’s all go eat a bratwurst”.

  368. Idunn
    I must have watched that video ten times and it became more delicous with each susequent viewing. I think I have to have bratwurst while I listen to icky speak tomorrow. That and Jim Beam.

  369. How does Obama not remember alot of names in his previous life?? Isn’t that suspicious or was he that stoned??

  370. Birdgirl
    I know but they must be kicking themselves. this stuff is just so ripe. I will never be able to hear eau claire again without laughing.

  371. ABC News’ Nitya Venkataraman reports: After former rivals Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton worked to broker a deal where Clinton’s name would be placed into nomination alongside Obama’s at the Democratic convention,
    speculation swirls in Denver that Clinton insiders may be willing to accept no roll-call vote, fearing the blame of disrupting the party’s efforts at unity.
    ———————————————
    This is not what happened behind scenes. It is obama spin. He was out negotiated and now he wants out of the deal. But as long as he is putting the word out that he worked hard to broker the deal then I say fine in that case if it does go to hell he is 50% to blame.

  372. SOME DAMNED SERIOUS BUSINESS

    Cocaine is a risk factor for permanent mental impairment, and disqualification for access to nuclear weapons

    The Obama campaign, as shown by material on my.barackobama.com over which the campaign’s staff exercises editorial control, sanctions the spread of rumors to the effect that John McCain has an age-related neurodegenerative disease. The Obama campaign is apparently unfamiliar with the adage about glass houses and stones. Let’s begin with the facts, as stated by Barack Obama himself.

    I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though… (Barack Obama, “Dreams From My Father,” page 93, paperback edition. http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/streetterms/ByAlpha.asp?strTerm=B, “Blow” = “Cocaine; to inhale cocaine; to smoke marijuana; to inject heroin”)

    While the Obama campaign sanctions supporters’ use of McCain’s age (younger than Dianne Feinstein, Robert Byrd, and Ted Kennedy by the way) to suggest that he might have a neurodegenerative disease, Obama’s admitted use of cocaine puts him at higher risk for mental impairment. It also disqualifies him from access to or control of nuclear weapons under the Armed Forces’ Nuclear Weapon Personnel Reliability Program.

    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1739

    Cocaine is one of the most potent, addictive, and unpredictable recreational drugs, and thus can cause the most profound and irreversible damage to the nervous system. The high risk associated with cocaine remains the same regardless of whether the drug is snorted, smoked, or injected into the user’s bloodstream. In addition to the intense damage cocaine can cause to the liver, intestines, heart, and lungs, even casual use of the drug will impair the brain and cause serious damage to the central nervous system. Although cocaine use affects many components of the body, including vision and appetite, the most significant damage cause by cocaine takes place in the brain and central nervous system.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3503931.stm adds,

    Taking cocaine could cause irreversible brain damage, scientists from Edinburgh University have warned.

    Tests on genetically modified mice showed that cocaine inhibited the brain by destroying a key protein responsible for learning and memory.

    Abusing the highly addictive drug can lead to long-term memory loss and learning difficulties, say experts.

    The fact that cocaine use increases the risk for permanent mental impairment does not make such impairment automatic, just as age does not make neurodegenerative diseases automatic. On the other hand, if the Obama campaign wishes to tacitly albeit not actively suggest that the country should not take a chance on McCain because of his age, we are quite prepared to argue that the country should not take a chance on a former cokehead–and the Armed Forces’ Nuclear Weapon Personnel Reliability Program agrees. While pre-service marijuana use does not automatically disqualify a service member from access to or control of nuclear weapons, pre-service cocaine use does.

    . The bottom line is, however, that prior
    history of cocaine use disqualifies a member of the Armed Forces from
    touching a nuclear launch key, or indeed any access to weapons of mass
    destruction. The idea of giving someone with that kind of
    history the authority to order the use of such weapons, or even access
    to the codes for launching such weapons, should therefore appall all
    Americans. This document from the Secretary of the Navy adds,

    Any history of cocaine use, however, does permanently disqualify an individual from access to or control of nuclear weapons, because the Armed Forces cannot afford to take the slightest chance on a person with impaired judgment having access to weapons that can kill millions of people

  373. Room 7: The Coco-Fiend
    (Guess who? Aint gonna kiss his ass)

    I look at no one, me;
    I pass them on the stair;
    Shadows! I don’t see;
    Shadows! everywhere.
    Haunting, taunting, staring, glaring,
    Shadows! I don’t care.
    Once my room I gain
    Then my life begins.
    Shut the door on pain;
    How the Devil grins!
    Grin with might and main;
    Grin and grin in vain;
    Here’s where Heav’n begins:
    Cocaine! Cocaine!

  374. How does a human gaffe machine like Biden who could get in a fight in a phone booth and never let a little thing like the truth stand in the way of a good story suddenly become the answer to bambis foreign policy deficit? Now all he needs is a domestic policy expert and he can wile away his time on that private beach in Maui and blow cocaine rings at the seagulls.

  375. I think they are going to use that same clock they used in the olympics to verify Phelps 1/100th of a second victory.

  376. i think all that matters was that they stopped hillary. bet a lot of the bambi support dries up now
    ————————————————
    lets play it out and see what happens. I think it is unpredictable. Next post I will show you why.

  377. BOMBSHELL: Barack Obama Is Not a US Citizen, Not Eligible to be US President.
    Birth Certificate Found in Kenya. Citizen of Kenya and Indonesia. Hawaiian Certificate Forged, Suit Alleges.

    Republicans Can Hardly Wait for Dems to Take Obama Bait

    This page: http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm
    See also: Attorney Phil Berg speaks on his Federal Suit to Stop Obama, this week on Listen on Demand on World Crisis Radio with Webster Tarpley,
    and the excellent, informative interview with Berg at America’s Right.

    On Aug. 21st attorney Philip J. Berg requested a temporary restraining order in Federal Court against the nomination of Barack Obama, citing evidence that candidate Barack Obama is not a US citizen, and “the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.” See Berg’s website, http://www.ObamaCrimes.com .

    Berg argues that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in 1961 to an American woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, and a Kenyan man, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, as reportedly shown by a birth certificate from Mombasa Maternity Hospital and witnessed by Barack’s relatives. According to the law at that time, a parent could pass US citizenship on to a child born abroad if the parent was at least 19 years old. Obama’s mother was only 18.

    No hospital birth certificate has been produced to prove Obama was born in Hawaii, only a certificate of birth registry after the fact, which forensics experts have denounced as a forgery. New photos of the certificate were posted on the Internet on Aug. 21st at FactCheck.org, which is a project of the Annenberg Center, a longtime sponsor of Obama. It is quite suspicious in itself that the “facts” are not being “checked” by an independent source, and that only a short-form certificate without the name of the hospital is shown. Barack’s mother could have flown from Kenya to Hawaii right after the birth, then reported that she had the child at home, in order to secure her son’s US citizenship. The judge needs to subpoena Hawaiian officials to provide an original hospital report of birth.

    Moreover, when Obama was six years old his mother remarried and moved with her husband to his country, Indonesia. Records indicate Obama was naturalized as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not allow dual nationality, so even had he been born in Hawaii, he would have lost his citizenship then.

    See http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BO-NO-Citizen-BriefFacts.htm for factual background of Berg’s suit.

  378. I have been reading more false crap up there by big media–they dont know what is going on so all they are doing is speculating. Or becoming stupid rubes for bambi. They have no credibility.

  379. PumaResponders alert:

    easy registration & post.

    The House majority whip, James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, said that
    in their speeches the Clintons have to “really demonstrate to this
    party and the American people where they are with Obama’s candidacy.’’
    Clyburn conceded the danger the convention could become publicly
    fractured during the nominating speeches and roll call, which could
    remind the American people how close and at times divisive the
    nomination fight was

    h t t p : / / http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002940485&cpage=1

  380. Well with all this talk about puking all day at certain people on television, I have managed to get a stomach virus. I must be careful what I say on here. Good night everyone, I hope! LOL!!

  381. turndownobama-com Says:

    August 25th, 2008 at 3:07 am
    ——————————————–
    I posted a lengthy response to those bastards-indicting bambi dnc and media. Comment submited posting should be frothcoming. Thanks turndownobama.

  382. I think O would have had a drop in the polls if voters knew more about him. I had this very good impression of him–now that I have read about his positions I’m really shocked at how bad he is.

    Biden is a shame to the old Dem Party. Blue collars will not like him when they find out what he really is. Plus, he will be the laughing stock of this election.

    Come NOvember we will all be celebrating.

  383. August 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    If Hillary did not want it she should’ve been very explicit. “I’m happy being the Senator from NY” is not the same as saying “I do not want to be Vice PResident.”
    =====================

    She said both, though at different times iirc.

  384. I do not understand where a traitor to this country like Clyburn has standing to tell anyone what to do. Hoyer has is a jackass. They are scared shitless. I hope Hill and Bill give these traitors something to be scared about. Time will tell, but the more they threaten the more likely they will get the wrong result. If they are worried about the Hillary supporters who have not defected they should stop wasting their time. They will not get us back.

  385. Turndown my blog did not post for some reason. I do not like the idea that these back benchers think they can threaten a former president and first lady. Any suggestions. What is this crap about showing enthusiam–enthusiasm about what– being cheated. If dueling was still in fashion it would please me to no end to slap Clyburn in the face and say your choice of weapons judas. If Bambi is defeated it is because the people see him for the fraud he is. I may call that fucking clyburn’s office and tell him to stop the extortion.

  386. Blue Democrat Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    So another torturous step, Hill releasing – or urging – her delegates to go to BO.

    And still the question lingers; what does she get for all this?
    For not decimating the party and giving – yes, giving, on a silver fucking platter – this neophyte the nomination? What?! SCOTUS?

    I can’t imagine anything, even a seat on the court, being worth that much to her. I can’t help but suspect something much more sinister.
    ============================

    “Releasing delegates” isn’t necessarily a big deal (unless maye it’s somehow reassinging them to BO). Just releasing them to vote however they want to in this situation is just a gesture. They can still vote for her if they want to, and it will mean more if they vote for her freely.

    I doubt if she wants a seat on the SC. I think she’d be bored. She might like Senate Majority Leader, which was discussed as a ‘consolation prize for Hllary’ pretty early in the campaign. That would be worthwhile, or some other deal that would give her more power in the Senate

    I’m not sure we need to look at any one big ‘reward’ for ‘giving him the nomination’ as though it were a single, simple action. At each step there has been a good reason. Suspending her campaign got her out of the line of fire and gave him a test drive of the nomination — which he failed. Refusing to fight for a narrow victory saves a lot of energy. The roll call could still give her a large victory if enough delegates switched.

    Even letting him have the nomination itself will set the GOP on him seriously, and hopefully they will destroy him like McGovern and he’ll be out of the way for 2012.

    She may have been just steering a middle course between obstacles that are proving impossible.

  387. wbboei,

    I haven’t been to the CQ article. Someone submitted it to PumaResponders and I posted it to the list. I didn’t dare visit it myself because just the snippet I posted made me too mad. I just went and posted it to all the PUMA sites I know.

    Someone else said they had commented but it hadn’t appeared. Sometimes when an article is posted late, the comments don’t appear till next day. Moderators don’t always work night shifts. Or they may save up a number of posts to choose the ones they like best to lead off with.

    If you have a copy of your post, I could look at it and see if anything looks like a flag. Links with http often send a post to moderation queue. I even avoid .com and .org. I’d expect many places would have a filter for PUMA by now, or the names of puma sites.

    If you made a long post you might post it as a diary at clintondems.com also, and offer it as a guest post to bitterpoliticz ( h t t p : / /camille424.wordpress.com/ ) — that’s where William hangs out, who did the ‘Vampire’ and other very good essays.

  388. I received my ‘hello’ email from Biden asking for money. I replied (not that a soul will read it):

    The man who gave us Clarence Thomas and the bankruptcy bill has joined the man who has given us speeches but no original thoughts. And you want money????? What are you all smoking????

    ___________________________

    Too polite??

  389. This is from politico.com

    “Meanwhile on another front, there are some jitters among some of Clinton’s superdelegates: They say they still aren’t sure how Hillary wants them to vote at the roll call, and that she hasn’t told them.”

    why those SDs need instruction from Hillary. SDs are required to vote based on their own judgment.

  390. Connect the dots time, political favours abound.

    moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/08/michelle-obama-david-axelrod-depriving.html

    Michelle Obama, David Axelrod Depriving Poor People of Healthcare?

    From the Chicago Sun-Times Sen. Barack Obama’s wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don’t have private insurance — primarily poor, black people — to other health care facilities.

    Michelle Obama — currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital — helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.

    Obama’s top political strategist, David Axelrod, co-owns the firm, ASK Public Strategies, that was hired by the hospital last year to sell the program — called the Urban Health Initiative — to the community as a better alternative for poor patients. Obama’s wife and Valerie Jarrett, an Obama friend and adviser who chairs the medical center’s board, backed the Axelrod firm’s hiring, hospital officials said

    Another Obama adviser and close friend, Dr. Eric Whitaker, took over the Urban Health Initiative when he was hired at U. of C. in October 2007. Whitaker previously had been director of the Illinois Department of Public Health. Obama has said he recommended Whitaker for the state job, giving his name to Tony Rezko, who helped Gov. Blagojevich assemble his Cabinet. Rezko, a former fund-raiser for Obama and Blagojevich, was convicted in June on federal corruption charges tied to state deals.

  391. from moon’s article, even the loathsome Rudy is not dumb as a box of rocks like the Dems are:

    Appearing on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” former Mayor Rudy Giuliani ripped into Obama for choosing Biden, saying that picking Clinton would have been a “no-brainer.”

    “You almost have to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid her as the vice-presidential pick of the party. And it seems to me that, for whatever reason that hasn’t been explained, a choice was made out of weakness [rather] than strength.”
    When asked to explain, the former mayor replied: “Senator Obama had 51 percent of the Democratic vote. Senator Clinton had 50 percent of the Democratic vote. It’s kind of a no-brainer that that’s your ticket.”

  392. This article is really good and Obama is going to lose big time. McCains ads are working and Obama’s are not and these are democratic voters.

    article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2U1OWQ4OWM1NTMyM2QzNTRmMDYxODNkZDA2NjE5YmY=&w=MA==

    Denver — On the eve of the Democratic National Convention, in a downtown high-rise conference room lined with one-way mirrors, 21 undecided Colorado voters sit trying to decide whether they have more doubts and reservations about Barack Obama or John McCain. It’s not easy.

    The group has been convened by the pollster Frank Luntz, who usually does this sort of thing on live television but has instead organized the session at the behest of the American Association of Retired Persons and the related activist group Divided We Fail. As the voters answer Luntz’s rapid-fire questions, a small group of reporters watches from the other side of the mirrors. And after two hours of talking, and a pre-convention buildup here in Denver in which Democrats have received lots of positive coverage in this critical swing state, you’d have to say that the news is pretty good for McCain. The undecideds have plenty of problems with him, and they can’t stand George W. Bush, but they seem more deeply concerned about Obama than McCain, because they have still not answered the threshold question about the Democratic nominee: Is he ready?

    Then Luntz plays Obama’s ad attacking McCain on the “seven houses” issue. Nobody much likes it; the meters stay below 50 for both Republican and Democratic leaners. After that comes McCain’s response ad, the one featuring Tony Rezko. Republican meters shoot up to 80, while the Democratic meters climb slightly above 50. Asked later, people think Obama’s attack ad was good, but the Rezko response raised new questions. “For Barack to get money from someone else — and who knows where he got that money to get his house?” one woman asks. In general, says another woman, in McCain’s ads, “the issues were a little more clear.”

  393. Morning, all. Nice poll numbers.

    I’m out the door to work, but wanted to share this gem from Lynn Sweet at the Sun-Times with you regarding how “they” are treating Hillary’s Illinois stalwarts. I know Delmarie and the women in this small drama. You all know the inveterate scumbag and BO political maher, Emil Jones. Give ’em h#ll, Delmarie! PUMA!!!!! Have a nice day…

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124667,CST-NWS-dem25.article

    DENVER — A black Hillary Clinton delegate on Sunday accused state Senate President Emil Jones of calling her an “Uncle Tom.”

    Jones — Barack Obama’s political mentor — denied using the racially loaded slur against Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb, but two aldermen who said they witnessed the Saturday night exchange back up Cobb’s account.

    “Last night, I was called an ‘Uncle Tom’ by Emil Jones in the lobby of the hotel, right in front of [Ald.] Freddrenna Lyle and [Ald.] Leslie Hairston and [Ald.] Latasha Thomas,” said Cobb, a member of Clinton’s Illinois Steering Committee. “I walked over to him and asked him, ‘What did you just call me?’ ”

    The embarrassing flap came on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, which will open tonight with a string of Chicago speakers talking about Obama’s life story. Jones is often referred to as Obama’s “political godfather.”

    Lyle, alderman of the South Side’s 6th Ward, said she was standing with Jones when the conversation took place in the lobby of the hotel where the Illinois delegation is staying, but she dismissed it as Jones engaging in harmless banter with someone he knows, although Lyle said she told him, “Emil, that’s bad even for you.”

    Another of the aldermen who was standing in the lobby added, “He said it in jest.”

    Cobb has been a high-profile Clinton supporter, and she said she is still paying the price in the African-American community.

    “If people are still making digs at the Hillary Clinton people because we supported her, that is not going to bring us on board. It makes us feel as though we’re outsiders, and we’re Democrats,” Cobb said. “The litmus test for being black is [seen as] supporting Barack.”

    Lyle said she saw Clinton supporters walking into an Illinois delegation meeting at the Marlowe Restaurant on Sunday and being handed Obama buttons, only to put the buttons in their pockets. That prompted the greeters to say, “You can tell the Hillary Clinton people, they never take the buttons.”

    Speaking outside Denver’s Palm Restaurant, Jones said he never called her the name.

    “I emphatically deny it,” he said. “I told her I never said that. She may have misunderstood.”

    Told that Lyle heard him call Cobb the name, Jones said, “That was not. That was not. That’s all I have to say.”

    Cobb said the confrontation started when she and Jones, who is also African-American, were talking about an earlier conversation they had at the Bud Billiken Parade in Chicago. “One day, you’ll be on the right side,” Cobb said Jones told her. She told him she was on the right side. She said Jones pointed at his Obama hat and said, “No, this is the right side,” she said.

    “Then he came up behind me. He said ‘Thirty-five thousand people went to Springfield [to support Obama on Saturday],'” she said. “I said, ‘Then 35,000 people drank the Kool-Aid.,’ He said, ‘Barack is a clean-cut guy. He never liked gutter politics, that’s why the Clintons did so-and-so. …’ I said, ‘I don’t want to get into this. So I went over to the elevator, and he said, ‘Uncle Tom!’ Then he grabbed me and hugged me and started laughing. I said, ‘What did you say?’ I turned to Freddrenna Lyle, and I said, ‘What did he say?’ She wouldn’t say anything, That’s when I said some bad things to him.”

    Taking a final shot at Jones, Cobb said, “Calling me an ‘Uncle Tom’ is beyond the pale, especially considering where he is [close] with Mayor Daley and with [Gov.] Blagojevich, I am hardly the Uncle Tom here.”

    Jones announced his retirement as state Senate president last week and, following an increasingly popular Chicago tradition, had his son Emil Jones III installed as the nominee to succeed him for his south suburban and South Side Senate seat. A separate battle is brewing among veteran Senate Democrats for Jones’ leadership gavel.

    Another strong Clinton supporter, J.B. Pritzker, who was one of the former first lady’s national co-chairmen, said he expected just about all of Clinton’s delegates to follow her request and — after casting their votes for her — fully support Obama.

    Contributing: Lynn Sweet

  394. New McCain ad, simple and effective, boy did he get it right this time. Simple and effective.

    DEBRA BARTOSHEVICH: I’m a proud Hillary Clinton Democrat.

    She had the experience and judgment to be President.

    Now, in a first for me, I’m supporting a Republican, John McCain.

    I respect his maverick and independent streak, and now he’s the one with the experience and judgment.

    A lot of Democrats will vote McCain. It’s okay, really!

    JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.

    http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/new-john-mccain-ad-features-hillary-clinton-supporter-debra-video-0

  395. That ad really does hit hard, its to women, to hillary supporters to people that put their country over party and is very effective.

    McCain gotten into his stride and bambi is flailing the wind.

  396. Well the DNC opening went well and is going to piss off a number of democrats. Just what exactly is going on with this party, it does not know where it is anymore or what it stands for.

    http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/512377603.html

    DENVER, August 24 /Christian Newswire/ — In its first “official event” of the 2008 Democratic Convention, Pentecostal preacher and Bishop Charles E. Blake of the Church of God in Christ, took to the pulpit of an Interfaith Gathering and unequivocally denounced abortion, saying God could not be pleased with millions of lives being ended by elective abortion.

    President of the pro-life National Clergy Council, Rev. Rob Schenck, who was present at the event, said, “This is an amazing development. Bishop Blake was crystal clear in condemning abortion. There was nothing subtle about it. He identified himself as a pro-life Democrat and blatantly challenged his party’s historic position on abortion. He also challenged Barack Obama to pursue his promise to reduce abortions and to ensure ‘viable’ alternatives. Just this one moment is a significant turn for the Democratic Party.”

    Rev. Schenck said the hall, filled with several thousand, fell uneasily silent as Blake spoke against abortion.

  397. McCain to Hillary and her supporters,

    he praisees Hillary and air ads to court her supporters.

    BHO to Hillary and her supporters,

    if hillary and Bill don’t do x, y, and z in their speeches in the convention then her political career will over.
    they don’t like her supporters and they can win without her supporters.

  398. I just amazes me when a Demcrat says, when she turns over her delegates, we will all lock step and salute.

    When did our political parties become dicatators. There has always been a large portion of the population that votes for the person, even in both parties.

    They would be much better off not stating such propaganda, as they will lose what ever support they might have gained from this.

    HAY DEMS THIS IS A DEMOCRACY, REMEMBER.

    I AND ALL THE OTHER HILLARY SUPPORTERS OWN OUR VOTES.

  399. And, speaking of democracy, I’m sure someone posted the link to this on Friday or Saturday, but I’ll post again just in case. I found it very moving.

    wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

  400. Turndownobama: I called their number and they told me that they only post certain responses so it is a one way street. My surmise is the story was planted by the bambi campaign. All dicatorships work this way-control the media and one way communication. Shut down the public voice. If I had not lived through the post war period and shown how the soviets did this I might not understand what was really going on. THIS IS NOT CHANGE–IT IS ATTEMPTED REVOLUTION.

  401. That new McCain ad is really good. And for those of you who may not remember, the lady in the ad is Debra Bartoshevitz, the HRC delegate who was kicked out for saying she would support McCain in the GE if Obama was the nominee.

  402. More fun from Shrek and the magical swamp. This is going to sink Biden and is looking worse by the minute and the NY times is not letting go.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/us/politics/25biden.html?_r=2&em=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1219673565-NVOk7FshP1qzo9DwhZT3aw

    Campaign officials acknowledged that the connection between the Bidens and MBNA, the enormous financial services company then based in their home state of Delaware, was one of the most sensitive issues they examined while vetting the senator for a spot on the ticket.

    Mr. Biden’s support for the bankruptcy changes, which were signed into law in 2005, puts him at odds with Mr. Obama of Illinois, who opposed the bill and has criticized the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, for supporting it. Consumer advocates and other Democratic allies remain sharply critical of Mr. Biden’s actions, saying in recent days that they could hamper the campaign’s efforts to attack the Republicans over their handling of the nation’s credit crisis. (yet more hypocrisy)

    In late 1996, the company hired the younger of Mr. Biden’s two sons, Robert Hunter Biden, known as Hunter, who had just graduated from Yale Law School, as a lawyer. The company promoted Mr. Biden to senior vice president by early 1998. And after the younger Mr. Biden worked at the Commerce Department on electronic commerce issues from 1998 to 2001, MBNA hired him back on a monthly consulting contract to advise it on such issues, aides said. (amazing, trainee to Senior VP in 18 months, move along nothing to see here)

    Consumer advocates say that Senator Biden was one of the first Democratic leaders to support the bankruptcy bill, and he voted for it four times — in 1998, 2000, 2001 and in March 2005, when its final version passed the Senate by a vote of 74 to 25.

  403. Hillary didn’t get pushed out of the vp position just because she was critical of Obama. Heck Biden was pretty critical as well. It’s called running for election. It’s called being honest.

    Hillary didn’t get picked because of much bigger things. It’s those things that are going to explode in Obama’s face.

  404. This bit is the real killer, he voted against helping people in the military. Now i really want the son of a bitch to get hammered.

    Mr. Biden also went against Mr. Obama to help defeat amendments aimed at strengthening protections for people forced into bankruptcy who have large medical debts or are in the military; Mr. Biden argued that the amendments were unnecessary because the legislation already carved out exemptions for those debtors. And he was one of four Democrats who sided with Republicans to defeat an effort, supported by Mr. Obama, to shift responsibility in certain cases from debtors to the predatory lenders who helped push them into bankruptcy.

    But a review of the legislative record finds as many instances when Mr. Biden joined Republicans to defeat attempts by his Democratic colleagues, including Mr. Obama, to soften the bill’s impact on those same constituencies. He was one of five Democrats in March 2005 who voted against a proposal to require credit card companies to provide more effective warnings to consumers about the consequences of paying only the minimum amount due each month. Mr. Obama voted for it.

  405. Opening question the bloviator: you dont mind telling a little fib now and then do you senator?

    Another subject: do you believe people should be judged on character and merit or on family connections?

    How high is your IQ? Can you prove it?

  406. Obama’s “Political Godfather” Accused of Calling Prominent Hillary Clinton Supporter an “Uncle Tom”
    Submitted by brianinmo on August 25, 2008 – 9:25am.

    The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that the man described as Barack Obama’s “political godfather” has been accused by a key Hillary Clinton supporter of calling her an “Uncle Tom” for not supporting Obama. Here is part of the report:

    A black Hillary Clinton delegate on Sunday accused state Senate President Emil Jones of calling her an “Uncle Tom.”

    Jones — Barack Obama’s political mentor — denied using the racially loaded slur against Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb, but two aldermen who said they witnessed the Saturday night exchange back up Cobb’s account.

    “Last night, I was called an ‘Uncle Tom’ by Emil Jones in the lobby of the hotel, right in front of [Ald.] Freddrenna Lyle and [Ald.] Leslie Hairston and [Ald.] Latasha Thomas,” said Cobb, a member of Clinton’s Illinois Steering Committee. “I walked over to him and asked him, ‘What did you just call me?’ ”

    The embarrassing flap came on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, which will open tonight with a string of Chicago speakers talking about Obama’s life story. Jones is often referred to as Obama’s “political godfather.”

    Lyle, alderman of the South Side’s 6th Ward, said she was standing with Jones when the conversation took place in the lobby of the hotel where the Illinois delegation is staying, but she dismissed it as Jones engaging in harmless banter with someone he knows, although Lyle said she told him, “Emil, that’s bad even for you.”

    Another of the aldermen who was standing in the lobby added, “He said it in jest.”

    Cobb has been a high-profile Clinton supporter, and she said she is still paying the price in the African-American community.

    “If people are still making digs at the Hillary Clinton people because we supported her, that is not going to bring us on board. It makes us feel as though we’re outsiders, and we’re Democrats,” Cobb said. “The litmus test for being black is [seen as] supporting Barack.”

    Lyle said she saw Clinton supporters walking into an Illinois delegation meeting at the Marlowe Restaurant on Sunday and being handed Obama buttons, only to put the buttons in their pockets. That prompted the greeters to say, “You can tell the Hillary Clinton people, they never take the buttons.”

    Speaking outside Denver’s Palm Restaurant, Jones said he never called her the name.

    “I emphatically deny it,” he said. “I told her I never said that. She may have misunderstood.”

    Told that Lyle heard him call Cobb the name, Jones said, “That was not. That was not. That’s all I have to say.”

    Cobb said the confrontation started when she and Jones, who is also African-American, were talking about an earlier conversation they had at the Bud Billiken Parade in Chicago. “One day, you’ll be on the right side,” Cobb said Jones told her. She told him she was on the right side. She said Jones pointed at his Obama hat and said, “No, this is the right side,” she said.

    “Then he came up behind me. He said ‘Thirty-five thousand people went to Springfield [to support Obama on Saturday],'” she said. “I said, ‘Then 35,000 people drank the Kool-Aid.,’ He said, ‘Barack is a clean-cut guy. He never liked gutter politics, that’s why the Clintons did so-and-so. …’ I said, ‘I don’t want to get into this. So I went over to the elevator, and he said, ‘Uncle Tom!’ Then he grabbed me and hugged me and started laughing. I said, ‘What did you say?’ I turned to Freddrenna Lyle, and I said, ‘What did he say?’ She wouldn’t say anything, That’s when I said some bad things to him.”

    Wow! Talk about not getting off to a good start at the Democratic Convention! Great strategy to win over the Hillary supporters.

    http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/obamas-political-godfather-accused-calling-prominent-hillary-clinton-supporter-uncle-tom

  407. I find it disgusting, Biden actually is worse than i suspected, he’s a corporate sellout whore. He has consistently take the position against the poor and McCain is going to kill him for it.

  408. I have posted a lot this morning guys before you all got up, read up. I feel it my duty to patrol the media for us as i am 7 hours aheadm, so i take the morning shift.

  409. Seems like 2 peas in a pod

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – One-time presidential hopeful Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware has returned campaign donations from former Oxford attorney Richard “Dickie” Scruggs and others associated with their fall from grace.

    Biden was a candidate for the Democratic nomination much earlier this year and actively sought North Mississippi support late in 2007.

    Federal Election Commission reports by Biden for President show the campaign made donations July 5 to a national prostate cancer group from four $2,300 contributions by Scruggs, his son Zach, Steven Patterson and Timothy Balducci.

    The four men pleaded guilty to various crimes associated with the judicial bribery scandal that sent the Scruggses and an associate to federal prison recently.

    Balducci and Patterson await sentencing.

    A fifth gift, $2,300 from someone named Claire Scruggs of Pascagoula, also went to the cancer organization.

  410. Hey Fox and Friend, John Kasich, do we really want vetting at 7 years-of-age? You bet your swwet a$$! I and many others want ONLY qualified candidates to run for office – this would eliminate a lot of problems, like Wright, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Infanticide, past religious values, lying by the boatload. This would also help ensure that the person in charge of our welfare and our nation’s welfare.

    The youth who backed Obama told us in their own words things like: if old women like me who back Hillary cause Obama to lose the nomination, they would throw their mothers under the bus because they, at that point, be useless and there would be a civil war; AND, that if we and Hillary cause Obama to lose the general election that there would be a revolution; and further, that even if Obama wins the general election there was a revolution planned. I took them at their word then, because I sensed a sincerity that came from the gut of these young people who represented Obama’s youth vote.

  411. Can you guess which of Edwards two Americas just got campaign refunds from him. Thats right you guessed it.

    newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/08/25/web-scoops-msm-edwards-refunds-contributions-one-his-americas

  412. Correction:
    Hey Fox and Friend, John Kasich, do we really want vetting at 7 years-of-age? You bet your swwet a$$! I and many others want ONLY qualified candidates to run for office – this would eliminate a lot of problems, like Wright, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Infanticide, past religious values, lying by the boatload. This would also help ensure that the person in charge of our welfare and our nation’s welfare would be in the hands of someone who is a patriot that the voters could trust implicitly and well qualified.

    The youth who backed Obama told us in their own words things like: if old women like me who back Hillary cause Obama to lose the nomination, they would throw their mothers under the bus because they, at that point, be useless and there would be a civil war; AND, that if we and Hillary cause Obama to lose the general election that there would be a revolution; and further, that even if Obama wins the general election there was a revolution planned. I took them at their word then, because I sensed a sincerity that came from the gut of these young people who represented Obama’s youth vote.

  413. I find it disgusting, Biden actually is worse than i suspected, he’s a corporate sellout whore. He has consistently take the position against the poor and McCain is going to kill him for it.
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    sort of like the guy who selected him. His other qualification is he is part of the Kennedy cabal–the man from Chappocquitic lest we forget.

  414. moononpluto Says:

    August 25th, 2008 at 9:03 am
    Well the DNC opening went well and is going to piss off a number of democrats. Just what exactly is going on with this party, it does not know where it is anymore or what it stands for.
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    Carter gave a interview a few years ago about Roe vs Wade and the effect it has had on the Democratic? Taliban Party losing presidential elections.

    He said that Democrats use to win elections until the abortion issue because this it split off voters who use to vote for us, like Catholics, but now support Republicans because of Reagan made it part of his legacy to pull Republicans back from this issue.

    Carter also stated that under his admin. he started to limit and restrict the use and would like to see Democrats continue along that couse so that the issue becomes rare.

    This is what happens when Women Groups supported this bunch who threw women under the bus in the begining believing that we have no place to go.

    I don’t TRUST Obama/Biden to fight for this issue when those groups can be so easily brought to “heel at their master’s feet.” Don’t think this New Coalition Democrats won’t think about expanding the base through the religious right.

  415. Is there a disconnect here or something.

    Bambi spends weeks vetting everyone from hagel to caroline kennedy to my favorite martian (with the obvious exception of Hillary) and then gives it to biden who he never vetted. Another example of the judgemnt he has become favous for. But why this prologed dance of the seven veils when all it comes down to in the end is a tired worn out corrupt gaff prome arrogant bloviator . . unless he decided to hire someone in his own image. But if that was the gig then why did he waste all this time and money on a cluster fuck? The only thing I can figure is:

    They call him Flipper, Flipper, king of bamboozlers
    No one you see, is shiftier than he,
    And our Flipper, lives in a world of delusion
    And of confusion, as we shall see!

  416. The abortion issue is a distraction, nothing more. The Republicans have held the power to do something about it for years. They never have. They don’t want to. There is now over 30 years of case law and precedent that would have to be overturned, not just Roe. Abortion is not going to become illegal in this country, period. There may be battles on the state level with certain restrictions, but we can fight those.

    Abortion has become a convenient tool, for the right to energize the stupid fundamentalists to vote, and for the left to scare the wimmins to keep them in line voting Dem. I’m done being scared.

  417. WHY OBAMA MUST LOSE

    The Just Say No Deal/PUMA movement is evidence of a deep rift in the Democratic Party, one I believe the polls are not reflecting. Contrary to what the neo-liberals may say, the movement is not comprised of bitter old women — although many are bitter, many are women, and some are perhaps old. Instead, this deepening divide is the classic split of any political organization during a power struggle. The Daley Machine gave way to McGovern; and Goldwater conservatism rebuked Rockefeller’s liberalism.

    But this movement has a twist: Obama lacks legitimacy. The continuation of this rift is not about Hillary “losing.” Clintonistas, like myself, know that losing elections and having your heart broken is the inevitable risk of politics. Anglachel writes:

    With John Edwards in the news these days, I have been reflecting on the theme of “Two Americas” and have applied a twist that more accurately reflects the two Americas within the Democratic Party – those whose bigotry and biases are excused because they are of the right class and those whose flaws are inexcusable, even when the flaws do not exist.

    This “class” split in the Democratic Party is much more than an economic split. As Anglachel suggests, it is evidence of a values divide. These values are not the black-and-white split of abortion. Instead, this divide is a matter of emphasis. Obama talks about access to health care, but he doesn’t offer a universal plan. Obama criticized Hillary for her Iraq War vote, but he wasn’t in the senate to vote. Obama lectures Americans to learn Spanish–an irony not missed by many– a language he doesn’t speak.

    But the differences of emphasis were not themselves the deal-breaker. The deal-breaker, I believe, was about Obama’s tactics in the campaign and the Democratic Party’s complete bias and vote-rigging for their chosen candidate. Donna Brazile’s embarrassing performance at the RBC was so transparent in its bias that she became the most visible Obama shill massaging rules for her candidate, all the while lecturing us on rules. Do they really think we’re that stupid?
    Clintonistas, and now PUMAs, are revolted by four major issues. This is by no means an all-inclusive list, but includes the followings:

    (1) The Democratic Nomination was Stolen
    garyinchapelhill writes about Obama’s lack of legitimacy resulting from a stolen nomination:
    Obama’s decision to return full voting status to delegates from Michigan and Florida does not make up for the fact that the RBC stole delegates from the uncommitted voters, as well as all write in votes, AND 4 of Hillary’s delegates. Until that travesty is corrected the votes of those delegates can not be considered legitimate.
    And Marc Rubin of The Denver Group considers Obama’s current flip flop on Florida and Michigan as a ploy to entice disgusted Democrats into the fold:

    Florida and Michigan were one of the earliest examples of how dishonest, two faced underhanded and fraudulent Obama can be, when he claimed in speeches that he stood for “voices being heard” and “every vote must count”, and then clamped his hand over the mouths of almost 3 million voters in Florida and Michigan because he didn’t like what those voices were saying, which was a loud “go home”. And in all likelihood are still saying “go home and will continue to say it. Clinton beat him by landslide numbers in both states and this little act of political self preservation isn’t going to fool anyone. Anyone, even an Obama supporter can see it’s nothing more than another cynical political ploy to try and win back voters who were disgusted with him a long time ago because he needs them now.

    (2) Obama Race-Baited the Clintons
    Obama’s race speech was compared to Lincoln by his sycophants in the media. It was closer to Nixon’s infamous “Checkers” speech, a disingenuous, hateful piece of sophistry created to dove-tail with white liberal guilt. The conflation of Jeremiah Wright’s homicidal racism with Geraldine Ferraro’s simple observation was only the most glaring evidence of Obama’s tactics. Anglachel points out that Obama’s demonizing of low income whites was a basic political calculation:

    working class voters are not the socio-economic slice of the “white” vote that votes Republican. They are the least likely portion of white voters to do so, which is part of what made the constant slamming of this group so infuriating during the primaries. This was the slice of the white demographic most likely to vote for Hillary, and that was the reason they were being singled out for shaming and insults.
    And Alegre puts her finger on why PUMAs find Obama unacceptable:

    I think I can speak for millions of Hillary’s 18 millions supporters when I say that Camp Obama stepped over a serious line when they tarred the Clintons as racists in the lead-up to the SC primary (and since). Those attacks were simply unforgivable and may be a big reason (among many!) why many of us won’t get on that unity pony of Howie’s.

    (3) Obama Attacked Hillary from the Right
    Attacking Hillary from the Right was not by itself a deal-breaker. But the fact that Obama went after Hillary on health care — after everything she had fought for in the 1990s — was a disgraceful appropriation of Right Wing tactics and talking points. As SusanUnPC writes:
    The sad reality, of course, is that Obama has no fealty to commitments over issues. Issues are merely fodder to be used to grab what he seeks above all else: Victory…Now, every politician has to be focused on winning. But most politicians have some issues about which they genuinely care and are knowledgeable about. Obama doesn’t seem to hold any issues dear.

  418. Pat Buchanan, conservative author and commentator, said on Saturday that Barack Obama should have picked Hillary Clinton over Joe Biden as V.P. nominee because she won blue-collar Catholic voters that Biden did not – and she beat Obama in the Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and Michigan primaries.

    Buchanan touted Mitt Romney as the best pick for Republican John McCain’s V.P. nominee, but said, “I don’t think it’s a good thing to have both your president and vice president between them have 11 homes at a time when we’re in a housing crisis.”

    Asked about the abortion issue in the general election, Buchanan said Biden, a pro-choice Catholic, may have difficulty with Catholic prelates and others saying “the most important concern we’ve got is life and Barack is terrible on the issue and Biden is no good, either.”

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  419. Ohhhh, please HillaryforTexas, August 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm, when you repeat:
    “…Bravo Oh great “O” Intergalactic Warrior Emperor of the Milky Way and Beyond…”
    I love Milky Ways, please don’t make me throw up everytime I take a bite of one for the rest of my life.

  420. This is getting interesting, claims Joe Biden misused his office. Now we know why Biden got VP, payback from Obama for protection.

    Larry Sinclair is NOT willing to plead guilty to a crime that the Delaware Attorney Generals Office KNOWS has not been committed, and Mr. Biden KNOWS was brought against him simply to try and shut up the TRUTH about Barack Obama.

    Joseph R.Biden II, Senator from Delaware did in June 2008 use his power in the US Senate to have the Social Security Administration stop my disability benefits two days before I was arrested in Washington, DC on a totally baseless warrant.

    In addition it turns out that Senator Biden not only used his office and the office of his son, Joseph R Biden III, the Attorney General of Delaware, he had the SSA violate their own regulations which states benefits cannot be terminated if the charging State refuses to Extradite.

    Delaware by way of a sealed Grand Jury Rule 9 Warrant, (for which the Delaware Attorney Generals Office has still failed to provide any copy of any returned money order) had an extradition range of 250 miles listed according to court documents.

    Senator and AG Biden’s puppet News-Paper the Delaware News-Journal of Wilmington, DE even went so far as to publish two completely false reports of the charge and case against me.

    Senator Joseph Biden and Delaware AG Biden’s personal friend and contributor’s, former Delaware Attorney General Richard Weir, even tried to create problems for me with the court by walking away from a signed retainer agreement and stated after entering said agreement he would “not represent” me “when you are saying all those things about Obama and the Bidens.”Both Biden’s have abused their office’s for political favors from Barack Obama.

    In addition Barack Obama has used the Biden’s to try and shut me up, it will not happen. Joseph R. Biden II, the poster child for the “same old Washington insider” who cast his 10,000th vote in the US Senate in 1999, the same year Barack Obama smoked crack cocaine and engaged in gay sexual encounter in the back of a Limo and a Gurnee, IL hotel room with me, contradicts the very mantra of the Obama Campaign’s call for a “New Politics in Washington.”

    It is now time that the American Media stop this protection of Barack Obama and lets report the truth. I will expect Joseph R. Biden III to withdraw his office from this case immediately and to immediately produce the discovery that has been requested of his office now three times since August 11, 2008 alone.

  421. ShortTermer Says:

    August 25th, 2008 at 10:41 am
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    Kasich had alot of power in the class of 94 but never impressed some of us. His questions to brown were repetitive and stupid. It isnt what bambi did at age 7 that matters but that he lied about it at age 47 that is material. I know that is tough to understand john but if you repeat it to yourself as many times as you ask the same question maybe it will sink in. With the exception of Hannity and OReilly FOX aint showing me much.

  422. Its amazing when you read repug blogs.

    Here; whats being said.

    “we got off lightly, Hillary on that ticket would have been impossible to beat”

    “I never thought they would top McGovern or Dukkakis, I was wrong”

    “First they pick the no1 ranked liberal senator and then add on the no 3 ranked liberal, I’m stunned at the stupidity”.

  423. McCain could stand blindfolded 100 miles away, throw a stone and still hit one of their combined scandals. Obama was bad enough but my god Biden brings a whole new league of shit.

  424. Two new polls showed yesterday that John McCain has locked up as much as 27 percent of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s supporters – and he’s mounting a new offensive to win over even more.
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    Moon: great news. This is what I have been sensing all along, with no empirical data to back it up. It is moving back to where it was before. I think the real number is 1/3–and the exit polls in November will show it.

  425. A round of new polls by Mason-Dixon and the Denver Post, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and the Salt Lake Tribune will give everyone something to chew on.

    On the plus side for McCain, he’s surprisingly up by four points in New Mexico (45%-41%) and seven points in Nevada (46%-39%). On the minus side for him, he’s ahead only by six points in his home state of Arizona (47%-41%), and he’s trailing Obama by three in Colorado (46%-43%), although a new Quinnipiac poll out today has McCain up one in this state (47%-46%).

    McCain leads in AZ, UT, NM, WY, and NV. Obama is up by three in CO in the Mason-Dixon poll, but a Quinnipiac poll released the same day shows McCain up by one there.

    All in all, this is great news for McCain. Mason Dixon has traditionally been the gold standard for state polls.

  426. Obama was bad enough but my god Biden brings a whole new league of shit.
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    Aw shucks, he’s just been in the senate longer. Rest assured, when there is an opportunity to screw the country and line his own pocket I have every confidence in the world that bambi will take it.

  427. r they reading this blog and stealing ideas, damn i need a copyright lawyer
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    just remember imititation is the sincerest form of flattery-but it does not pay the bills.

  428. Jesse Jackson Jr on CNN spouting off on how Obama has unified the party, because he pulled back the bandage to expose all the pus, so now it’s healed. I guess we are the “pus”.

    Jesse Jr, I cried my eyes out over Katrina, but I will not shed one tear for your pusbucket lying scum self when your poster boy goes down in flames.

    I worked my ass off in SC trying to get votes for your daddy, and I cried when he won, as well. But I will not shed one tear for your pale shadow, half-assed, wannabe, snotty little pathetic strutting caricature of a civil rights leader self.

    Kiss my ass, you pitiful blown-up toad of a pretender. You’re not fit to shine your daddy’s shoes, much less King’s.

    I’ll show you some “pus” come November. You are gonna get a full meal of it.

  429. I think people will look back on Bambis decision to pick unvetted Biden over Hillary as the moment the election was irretievably lost for the Democrats. Obviously we do not know everything but this was a guiness book bad decision, and when the revisonists try to blame Hillary for the gotterdamerung ahead this needs to be the answer.

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