The New Coke

Well, “It seemed like a good idea at the time“.

Superdelegates should look in their refrigerators to understand the disaster the Democratic Party faces if they go with the Hopium laced New Coke instead of the Classic.

Superdelegates: Look to your refrigerators for guidance.

Remember the New Coke fiasco?

… on April 23, New Coke was launched with fanfare, including prime-time TV ads. Company Chairman Roberto C. Goizueta proclaimed New Coke “smoother, rounder yet bolder,” speaking of it more like a fine wine than a carbonated treat.

But public reaction was overwhelmingly negative; some people likened the change in Coke to trampling the American flag.

Soon people were hoarding cases of the old stuff. In June 1985, Newsweek reported that savvy black marketeers sold old Coke for $30 a case. A Hollywood producer, giving an old vintage its proper respect, reportedly rented a wine cellar to hold 100 cases of the old Coke.

On July 11, Coca-Cola yanked New Coke from store shelves. “We did not understand the deep emotions of so many of our customers for Coca-Cola,” said company President Donald R. Keough. [snip]

On the 20th anniversary of the New Coke debacle, the original beverage is still going strong: The company’s fourth-quarter net profits in 2004 were $1.2 billion, up 30 percent from the same period the previous year. [snip]

Why do some products die despite the best intentions of their creators?

“In some instances, the product’s overchampioned,” Craig said. “Someone believed the Edsel or the eight-track tape or RCA’s videodisc was going to work, and they staked their careers and reputations on it, and kept pushing it in spite of misgivings.”

“Or maybe the research was beginning to suggest this wasn’t a good idea — or they didn’t do their research,” Craig said.

“When you’re convinced you’re right, you tend to … push on regardless,” he said. “If it’s a bad idea, it doesn’t take long for the verdict to be reached.”

Obama is a bitter beverage. He won’t sell.

Politico puts it this way:

The fact that Obama’s not contesting Democratic Arkansas shows his real weakness with a set of Democratic voters, and marks the different kind of coalition he’s trying to assemble, where high base turnout an independents make up for lost Dems.

Good luck with that strategy. The strategy appears to be dump tried and true Democrats for undependable independents.

The New York Times describes the scheme this way:

Arkansas has a Democratic governor, an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature, two Democratic United States senators and three Democratic Congressional representatives out of four.

The Democratic presidential primary here drew 80,000 more voters than the Republican one. And though the state voted for President Bush in 2000 and 2004, the two previous elections went handily to its native son, Bill Clinton.

But Senator Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, does not yet have a campaign office here, and has not visited the state since 2006. One group of his volunteers meets in a donated space — the small waiting room of a medical spa — that they share with a prominent display of skin care products and a leaky air conditioner. The only Obama signs and stickers at the state party headquarters were paid for by the Pulaski County Democratic Committee.

Obama campaign officials have made much of their desire to expand the traditional Democratic playing field into states like Idaho, Indiana, Missouri and Montana and have promised they will run a 50-state campaign. But in the red-bloc South, the campaign has begun a push only in Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia. It has offices in several Republican-leaning states that have three electoral votes to Arkansas’s six, leaving his supporters in this state to wonder, why not here? [snip]

In Arkansas, unlike other Southern states, Democrats have maintained dominance by keeping white, conservative, rural voters — the ones that need the most convincing by Mr. Obama — in the fold. Arkansas’s population is whiter than the rest of the South; it is only 16 percent black, compared with 30 percent in Georgia and 21 percent in North Carolina. Its voters are older and less educated and include fewer transplants from outside the South. Virginia has elected a black governor; Arkansas has never elected a black candidate to statewide office. [snip]

Mrs. Clinton’s lock on Arkansas has certainly impeded Mr. Obama’s momentum there. Virtually all of the state’s major Democrats were Clinton supporters, and for many her defeat was a personal blow. [snip]

Some have suggested that even after Mrs. Clinton’s concession, the state party has been slow to embrace the Obama campaign, perhaps because its leaders fear alienating conservative Democrats.

“The Democratic Party has not had a candidate for statewide office to energize African-American voters since Bill Clinton left the state,” said Jay Barth, a political scientist at Hendrix College in Conway, Ark. “Whether they like it or not, they’re going to be tied to Obama. They might as well get the benefits out of it.”

Are there any benefits to wrapping a heavy anchor around your neck? It makes about as much sense as Americans in 1985 stocking up on New Coke and dumping the Classic.

Politico describes the current lunacy as Democratic “rising jitters

The New York Times:

As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

Obama, spent over a quarter billion dollars trying to get Americans to buy his New Coke candidacy, logo included. But Americans just are not buying. Dump the New Coke, go with the Classic.

These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

Hopium is not enough guys.

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue. [snip]

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

Hillary supporters are not buying the Hopium laced New Coke. Obama is reduced to running negative advertisements against McCain in a stealthy way so that he does not have to acknowledge that in fact his campaign is only about negative campaigning.

Yet these advisers also acknowledge that the Obama phenomenon — the candidacy that helped inspire record voter registrations and turnout during the primaries — has come down to earth in a divided, economically stressed nation. Even though political analysts say that the economic conditions favor the Democrats in this election, and Mr. Bush’s unpopularity could hurt Republicans, Mr. Obama has not broken away from Mr. McCain in polling — a reflection, in part, of the huge numbers of undecided voters across party lines.

The New Coke – Obama – is as thirst quenching as vinegar.

Go with the Classic = Hillary, Hillary Clinton.

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  1. Great article, Admin!!

    Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

    May I just say how much I love my Governor? Phil…way to represent, Big Guy!!

  2. Funny how the logo for “New Coke Obama” looks alot like the logo for Pepsi, huh? Makes you wonder just WHAT the hell your REALLY buying, doesn’t it?

  3. Wonderful article admin. I do hope you are going to put out a best articles book when all is said and done.

    I guarantee it will do much better than Obama’s best speeches mess…lol…one more book I will have to start hiding on the bookshelves.

    “Obama is a bitter beverage. He won’t sell!” Exactly!!!

  4. This is gonna be hilarious, hows this for a laugh of a headline. Can’t wait to see the campaign try and define it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/us/politics/17elect.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1218917201-wHE5NCWA6+Vd0E/dpUnKqg

    Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ More Specific

    As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

    These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

    Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

  5. oops, i’m so dumb, i just read that article but hey its worth another run.

    Rough translation, cut the flowery speech shit and explain what you are actually gonna do bambi. They obviously are shit worried about him.

  6. The man is losing to the old guy. If you don’t believe it, go to TM, they are all fighting over the black candidate and who will be to blame when he loses! Some over there are worried that Hillary may pull it out, I doubt that will happen since the mafia has already threatened everyone involved.

  7. Its funny but one week to the convention, people and SD’s are getting nervous, this team of Dem Govs that have publically asked for specifics from Obama are basically making a statement to other SD’s of “are we sure we are picking the right person here”.

    This week is going to be hell for Bambi for if it is going to go tits up for him with the Dem party, it will be this week, any major thing that comes out may just destabilize the SD’s to think again. It has the potential of going to shit really quickly.

    It is entirely possible and its just a thought, that they are going to put Hillary in as VP for the plain and simple reason that there is a huge possibility Obama could come crashing down and they have the biggest welterweight in position to pick it up. I’m wonder if pressure has come from a certain quarter of the party to make Hillary as VP or else trouble in Denver and because of the danger that Obama may collapse.

    Is it possible Hillary really is the back up plan and certain people are making sure she is.

  8. these 2 tomorrow are going to be fun for the pure simple reason of seeing Daschle and Kaine get roasted alive.

    This Week (ABC): Host George Stephanopoulos starts with SecDef Bob Gates to discuss Putin’s dangerous tantrum, then he turns to surrogates: Tom Daschle for Obama and Mitt Romney for McCain.

    Meet the Press (NBC): Moderator Tom Brokaw talks to Rice regarding Russia then to surrogates: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, for McCain and Obama respectively.

  9. Moononpluto, I believe you are correct in your assumption. Who, but a Clinton could come in a pick the pieces of this election year after Bambi is found not constutionally able to run for POTUS! Maybe finally they grew a brain!

  10. nyt story not what u ant out before u are crowned. again she needs a bombshell to drop on obama before havign a real chance

  11. While the quick-CHANGE artists Dean/Pelosi/Brazile/Axelrod keep trying to collectively “recreate the wheel,” the tried and true-blue patriotic Americans aren’t buy into into his brand of New Coke. Great analogy, as usual, Admin. Some things you just can’t improve on.

    New Coke BHO forever flip-flopping and flim-flamming, instead, has created the impression of a giant revolving door, with such fast, and abrupt about-faces, that he leaves the public dizzy, confused, and leery to jump onto that hazy den of hopium and blurred vision guaranteed to leave you reeling and nauseous from the inability to sober up and see things through a clear vision. The rose-colored glasses BHO hands out, distorts perception, and suddenly everything is all about color. Skin color, that is.

    Classic Coke, with it’s Gay Nineties theme, reminds us of Mom, baseball and apple pie. The All-American Gibson Girl, Hillary, fights for women’s rights along-side her predecessors who fought through suffrage. Classic Coke takes us through the proud generations of soldiers in uniform fighting to liberate our world from tyranny, right into the fifties and sixties, from poodle skirts and Little Richard and Elvis, the the streets of Selma, Alabama. For Children’s, Women’s and Minority Rights, our Classic Coke, Hillary, has perservered and prevailed. Classic coke has enough room under the Gibson girl umbrella for people of all walks of life, regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, religion, white collar, blue collar, green collar, pink collar. The more the merrier.

    With new management minding the Coke vats (Coke in more ways than one) at the Chicago-transferred Headquarters, home of The Mob – we are reminded of what this radical change represents. By holding the Classic Coke in captivity, gagged, bounded by rope under a strobe light we see rampant interrogation, manipulation, intimidation, corruption at the highest levels, dirty deals, murder (Donald Young) and violence. People have no value. That’s the part of our country’s history the American public is rejecting. It took Elliott Ness and the Untouchables to make a dent then, and it will take Hillary Clinton to restore this unraveling of the Old Democratic Party.

    The public is crying out, thirsty for the Classic Coke, and ready to pour the New Coke down the drain. We will help to close down the Chicago-led Mob, the New Coke vats and once again New York’s Lady Liberty will take center stage. Like Barbra Striesand onboard in New York Harbor, our Funny Girl, with outstretched arms, will stake her claim and bring back Classic Coke by the shiploads. Hillary will prevail sooner or later.

  12. I’m starting to really believe Obama is stuck with Hillary, i don’t think he has a choice, i think the choice has been made for him hence delaying the announcement of VP, he will wait until the last possible minute to try and find a way to get her out. This is why we are not hearing the nominee yet.

    I think there may be a certain group who have told Obama and the DNC in no uncertain terms that if Hillary is not the VP then Denver will be turned into absolute chaos. After all, if the Clinton backers do not play along, the convention will just descend into the biggest farce ever live on national television and Obama will lose that very night.

    I am beginning to think the backroom deal is done, Kennedy has LBJ forced on him, he had no choice, they hated each other but political marriages are evident all around.

  13. listening to hcsfjm the deal is already brokered, Hillary will not be VP, she will release her delegates Wednesday night after the vote, all SD’s will vote for BHO, if Hillary does not comply she will be destroyed politically.

  14. How are they going to destroy her politically, i don’t think so, she could hammer a lot of them into the ground and if they tried Bill would really blow his top off and drop them all in it.

    I don’t buy that at all.

  15. Will Obama Add Insult to Hillary’s Injury?
    The candidate’s VP pick could spark a backlash.

    h t t p : / / pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-obama-add-insult-to-hillary%e2%80%99s-injury/

    Informed political observers have realized since June that Hillary Rodham Clinton won’t be Barack Obama’s running mate. As Obama prepares to announce his vice-presidential choice, however, it will be worthwhile to watch the reaction of the ill-informed and unobservant — which is to say, the independent “swing” voters who will ultimately decide the election.

    Especially for those swing voters who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries, it may come as a brutal shock to learn that the former First Lady won’t be on the ticket in November. The shock will be amplified when those voters learn that Obama’s choice was the result of an ABC (”Anybody But Clinton”) process that excluded Hillary from serious consideration months earlier.

    While running mate choices rarely influence the ultimate outcome of elections — Gallup finds only a small “bounce” factor involved in such announcements — this year may prove to be one of those rare occasions.

    The potential for a backlash from disgruntled Clinton voters has been consistently derogated by elite political commentators, who climbed aboard the Obama bandwagon early and by March were declaring Hillary’s nomination a mathematical impossibility. Her belated rally in swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania annoyed these elites, but did not dissuade them from their belief that the Democrats’ downside risk of alienating Clinton voters would be a non-factor in November.

    Yet Hillary’s voters were not, for the most part, members of the political elite. She drew key support from blue-collar voters and older women. Already, as a recent Pew Research poll indicates, some 18 percent of those who backed Clinton in the primaries — which translates to more than 3 million voters — are already supporting the Republican candidate, John McCain.

    The potential for that number to grow is very real, because many of Clinton’s supporters in the primaries were independent voters who, as American University political scientist Candace Nelson has observed, “are the least likely to pay attention to politics, least likely to be engaged in the political process.”

    While Pew found that 72 percent of Clinton’s supporters now back Obama, another 10 percent remain undecided. It is among these independents who voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries that a backlash could develop when the Democrat names his Anybody But Clinton running mate.

    Political obtuseness

    Pro-Hillary blogger Big Tent Democrat first pointed to the possibility of such a backlash:

    When Obama does not pick Hillary, he will lose support among women and white voters. … His stubborn refusal to pick Hillary Clinton, his insistence in causing political trouble for himself with the VP pick, will make this a closer election than it should be. The political obtuseness on this critical decision is amazing to me.

    That prediction was made in late July in reaction to Quinnipiac polls showing the Democrat leading in the swing states of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. At that time, Obama was enjoying a poll “bounce” caused by media enthusiasm for his foreign trip.

    Big Tent Democrat didn’t see the damage from an ABC running mate being enough to cost Obama the election, but that was before polls showed a post-Berlin backlash — and before it became apparent that Democrats could be facing unexpected trouble in swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    John Kerry narrowly beat President Bush for Michigan’s 17 electoral votes in 2004, and the state should be considered safe for Democrats in a year when such poll indicators as the generic congressional ballot show Republicans in a slump.

    Yet, proving Tip O’Neill’s adage that all politics is local, Michigan Democrats are hurting from reaction to Gov. Jennifer Granholm’s 2007 tax increase and from the scandal surrounding Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Recent polls have shown Obama’s lead as thin as 2 points in the state, and Karl Rove has named Michigan as one of the key “blue” states that McCain might switch to Republican red in November.

  16. Polls show Obama has more breathing room in Pennsylvania — about 7 points in the Real Clear Politics average — yet he remains below the 50-percent mark in the state, and Quinnipiac found Obama’s margin shrinking from 12 points in June to 5 points in July.

    McCain’s repeated campaign visits to Pennsylvania indicate the Republican isn’t ready to cede a state with 21 electoral votes that Kerry won by less than 200,000 votes four years ago. The fact that Hillary won Pennsylvania handily in April must be part of that calculation.

    Map changer?

    As Obama prepares to name his running mate, the situation in Michigan and Pennsylvania highlights how much the Democrat’s prospects have changed since late June, when Obama strategist David Plouffe delivered a Power Point presentation that wowed the political press corps.

    Plouffe began by declaring that there was “very little opportunity for John McCain to play offense” by picking off states that Kerry had won in 2004, whereas there were “a lot of states where we’re playing offense.” Plouffe’s presentation touted a “50 state strategy” with Obama seeking to compete in several states that had voted Republican in the past two presidential elections.

    So how’s that working out? Among the states named as red-to-blue targets by Plouffe, McCain now leads in Florida, Missouri, North Carolina and Georgia. While the Democrat appears competitive in Virginia and in western states like Colorado, Nevada and Montana, the early optimism that Obama could be a “map changer” — a candidate whose overwhelming strength transforms the electoral calculus — has not panned out so far.

    A Democrat who hoped to compete in Georgia — where Bush crushed Kerry by 17 points in 2004 — could safely ignore the Hillary factor, and it appears that Clinton was crossed off the short list of potential running mates in June, when one national poll showed Obama leading by 15 points.

    However, with 147 Electoral College votes now in the “toss up” category according to Real Clear Politics, and Team Obama still playing defense in blue states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, the fall campaign is shaping up as another close-fought affair that will boil down to a handful of swing states on Nov. 4.

    This is precisely the kind of scenario where the disaffection of a few million Clinton supporters might make a crucial difference.

    Backlash potential

    Readers of political tea leaves have long since concluded that Hillary Clinton would not be Obama’s running mate, and have evidently assumed that what was obvious to them was equally obvious to ordinary voters. Yet most voters — especially independents — don’t pay attention to political “inside baseball” talk this far in advance of an election.

    While insider speculation about Obama’s No. 2 pick has centered on Indiana Gov. Evan Bayh (with Delaware Sen. Joe Biden a dark horse), it is certain that many voters still expect Democrats to nominate an Obama-Clinton ticket. That would seem the common-sense thing to do, given the closeness of the primary race. And many of those 18 million Clinton voters no doubt feel that the former first lady has earned a place on the ticket.

    These voters will be shocked when, as now seems likely, Obama picks a white male running mate with little national name recognition. This week’s decision to allow Hillary a roll call vote in Denver is one indication that Team Obama may be anticipating a backlash.

    Most political insiders see Hillary’s defeat in the Democratic primaries as the result of her own overconfidence and incompetence. Yet she still has millions of supporters who view Obama as an arrogant upstart who cheated Clinton out of the nomination.

    For those voters, the news that she has been denied even the consolation prize of the No. 2 spot could prove the final insult that pushes them into outright opposition to Obama.

  17. u are right on this. everyone i know assume it will be hillary-im not talkin politicos just ave americans. if he jilts her mccain will win easily. even in the enw nyt article no one tals about putting her on the ticket-but these govs want obama to do only what hillary can do. lord help us

    alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=643

  18. ABM 90: I figured it was a quote, but I wasnt sure where I had seen it before. Certainly the first part I recognized as Sherman, but not the rest of it. And thanks to you littleol grape.

    Sherman was one scarey guy. He was the first American general to turn his troops loose on the civilian population, to abandon a group of freed slaves to certain death and to declare after the war that our policy toward the Indians is one of extermination. Another real uniter. Napoleon practiced that kind of warfare of course–total war of annihalation they called it, but this was the first time we saw it on American soil.

  19. So what if she does release her delegates and they refuse to vote for Obama. What if they make a huge political statement against this false unity and false king? A fairy tale but a nice one for sure.

  20. yep. bayh is an insult to women. he aint a fan of right to choose. he is a fan of he great bankruptcy bill and founder fo the irq liberation grp. biden is senator of visa and mastercard they call him. he pushed the bankruptcy bill into law. these aint champs of the people to me.

  21. Polls show Obama has more breathing room in Pennsylvania — about 7 points in the Real Clear Politics average
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    I rung enough doorbells in Pennsyvania to believe that bambi aint gonna happen.

  22. Hillary : I release my delegates, see you in 2 minutes in the bar across the street because it sucks in here. 1800 delegates get up and follow Hillary out of the hall.

    I can dream can’t I.

  23. u are right on this. everyone i know assume it will be hillary-im not talkin politicos just ave americans. ————————————————
    The disconnect here is fascinating. Never interrruput an enemy in the middle of a mistake.

  24. Will Obama Add Insult to Hillary’s Injury?
    The candidate’s VP pick could spark a backlash.

    h t t p : / / pajamasmedia.com/blog/will-obama-add-insult-to-hillary%e2%80%99s-injury/
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    Kostner: when I read this one, and some others, I began to realize that the best of the blogs are far superior to anything you get from big media in terms of critical thinking and objectivity. Big Media is servant of multi natinal business is an untrustworthy source of information.

  25. wbboei: The qote about Life,Peace and war were not my own.just popped into my thoughts.I had no idea who wrote or spoke those very wise words.The rest of the text are original and mine.Hope they motivate someone.I treasure the wisdom and the knowledge you posess.Thank you.

    ABM90

  26. ADMIN,

    LOVE this quote;

    “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

    😀

  27. Could it be that Hillary is peacefully sitting down with the enemy whilst all the time her troops were massing encircling the fort without the enemy realising.

  28. Idunn, thanxs for posting that article, it was very informative and confirmed my belief that if Bambi fumbles the christians tonight he is toast. I don’t think he will, because he has studied the Bible, not for the purpose most would think, it was because he is a muslim and they know alot about christianity for their own purposes!

  29. The DNC is dead. It has not lived up to its potential and therefore should be buried down deep without any fanfare.

  30. Something is up, Fox is raling against the Clinton’s and laughing at them! The jerks are out in full force again!!

  31. 8. Democratic National Committee: the Democratic National Committee leadership such as it is strongly supports Obama. The Chairman of the DNC is Dr. Howard Dean. Yes, the erstwhile presidential candidate whose grand leap for the White House in 2004 ended with the blood curdling Dean Scream. He is the father of the netrood faction of the base, and the original mentor to Obama. Nancy Pelosi is number two. She is the first female Speaker of the House with an approval rating much lower than Bush! She is a classic passive aggressive personality. And she is the proud author of an autobiography which is essentially a 400 page exercise in narcissism that is currently tracking at 1487 on the New York Times Best Seller List. Way to go Nancy! She is reportedly jealous of Hillary who is smarter, centrist and would be higher than Nancy if she became President. Donna Brazille is good old number three. She is the former campaign manager for Al Gore, who conveniently claims that the Clintons cost him the presidency, when the real reason was her own incompetence. She is a black woman from Louisiana who is on a mission to change the governing coalition of the party from white working class to black under left wing black leadership. Along the way she betrayed the Party and sold her soul to the Devil aka the Architect. Evidently her momma forgot to tell her about the wages of sin.

  32. confloyd,

    It could just be that they figure Obama has won with Hillary handing over her delegates to him. Maybe they think her being on the nomination is just a symbolic moment with no actual strength. In which case, Fox would assume that Hillary and Bill have given up and Obama is the victor.

  33. I’d like to see him explaining his church and Rev Wright to the Christians, that will be fun.
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    then he can tell them about odinga who slaughtered christians and to whom barack made a million dollary contribution.

  34. wbboei,

    I just got back and i did get your email. I know i have yours and i will respond soon.
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    thanks basil–an email response will do.

  35. wbboei,

    I would really like to see the DNC, Obama, Dean, Brazille, Pelosi, et al go down in history books as having singlehandedly totally disgraced and corrupted the democratic process, left an ugly blemish on the American Constitution, and broken so many laws as to make a complete mockery of American Justice.

  36. debbie,

    I hope so. So many of you, including the wonderful wbboei are working so hard towards that.

    Bravo to all of you!

  37. Hillary: I don’t know if you can cook but you certainly are the one person this country needs to clean up the mess left behind by the Good ol Boys,GWB and the new kid on the block,BHO.You have an army of supporters ready to back you all the way to your rightful and hard earned efforts to the Oval Office.

    By ABM90 A proud and thankful supporter dedicated to fighting for you and thankful for what you and Bill have done for this great country.

  38. And if it can also be recorded that this moment in time has become the blackest of them all for mainstream media ethics, then I will be a very happy camper.

  39. Wesley Clark’s son just confirms his daddy was indeed told by Obama campaign that he’s not needed at convention. Gosh, another guy under the bus. I feel bad for Clark, and have no idea why he’s so eager to speak up on behalf of Obama but later found out being cut out by bambi.

    Clark’s son posted a comment on dailykos regarding the situation.
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    For a long time but we have a very active business that he needs to travel a lot for. He wasn’t invited to speak at the convention. I’m sure somebody in his office called the campaign and asked if he was going to be invited to speak because he needs to book meetings for that week if he isn’t in Denver. Apparently the answer that came back was no.

    It’s not a fake out or some secret plan, he isn’t going to be VP or probably anything else in an Obama administration, assuming he’s elected.

    What he is going to do is go out and campaign for Obama and plenty of Democrats in house and senate races this Fall.

    I know some you think you can change this by launching VP diaries a couple times a day in hopes that Obama will be swayed by the “netroots.” Dude, when has that ever worked with this campaign?

    It’s a beautiful day. Go outside and get some sun.

    “Apes don’t read philosophy.” “Yes they do, Otto, they just don’t understand it!”

    by WesClarkJr on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 01:12:02 PM PDT

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  40. Clark’s son confirms bamb snubbed his father and did not invite him to convention. He posted on dailykos.

    For a long time but we have a very active business that he needs to travel a lot for. He wasn’t invited to speak at the convention. I’m sure somebody in his office called the campaign and asked if he was going to be invited to speak because he needs to book meetings for that week if he isn’t in Denver. Apparently the answer that came back was no.

    It’s not a fake out or some secret plan, he isn’t going to be VP or probably anything else in an Obama administration, assuming he’s elected.

    What he is going to do is go out and campaign for Obama and plenty of Democrats in house and senate races this Fall.

    I know some you think you can change this by launching VP diaries a couple times a day in hopes that Obama will be swayed by the “netroots.” Dude, when has that ever worked with this campaign?

    It’s a beautiful day. Go outside and get some sun.

    “Apes don’t read philosophy.” “Yes they do, Otto, they just don’t understand it!”

    by WesClarkJr on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 01:12:02 PM PDT

  41. Clark’s son confirms his father is not welcomed by Obama campaign at convention. He posted a brief comment on dailykos.

  42. For a long time but we have a very active business that he needs to travel a lot for. He wasn’t invited to speak at the convention. I’m sure somebody in his office called the campaign and asked if he was going to be invited to speak because he needs to book meetings for that week if he isn’t in Denver. Apparently the answer that came back was no.

    It’s not a fake out or some secret plan, he isn’t going to be VP or probably anything else in an Obama administration, assuming he’s elected.

    What he is going to do is go out and campaign for Obama and plenty of Democrats in house and senate races this Fall.

    I know some you think you can change this by launching VP diaries a couple times a day in hopes that Obama will be swayed by the “netroots.” Dude, when has that ever worked with this campaign?

    It’s a beautiful day. Go outside and get some sun.

    “Apes don’t read philosophy.” “Yes they do, Otto, they just don’t understand it!”

    by WesClarkJr on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 01:12:02 PM PDT

  43. Kostner,

    It isn’t the democratic convention. It’s a sham meeting of Obama’s zombies. They aren’t holding a democratic convention this year.

  44. SoetorObama Supporters Wonder What She’s Up To
    Posted by hillbuzz under Uncategorized

    We hope it’s something good.

    With every nasty thing the press and haters have said about this woman for the past 16 years, they’ve made her out to be a cunning and magical evil genius, unprecedented and unparalleled in the history of the world. Well, if that’s all true, then we imagine she’ll hit Denver with all the powers of Hell, winging in astride a dragon, bending time and space to meet her will. The Hurricane Queen on her Throne of Chaos pounding into Colorado with swarms of angry bees and packs of vicious pumas.

    Yah, right.

    She’s up to what she’s always up to: waking up every day to fight for healthcare and good jobs for all Americans, and to make this country stronger and better able to take care of its people. No matter what happens, she’ll be the hardest worker member of the United States Senate, and she’ll be our president in 2013.

    Though, we also hope she’s our president in 2009…but the DNC is doing everything it can to keep that from happening. They are fools, and they’re worried their machinations are wearing thin, and that this enormous mess they’ve made of the primaries is leading to a third Democratic loss in a row. But, they are too cowardly to do anything to stop the disaster that’s coming.

    UPDATE: Read between the lines on this one, but half the House Democrats seem to be voting for Hillary Clinton when it’s time for the roll call vote in Denver. And that’s right now, as of August 16th. What happens next week when another round of bad luck comes SoetorObama’s way — including several exposes of the fraud and intimidation he used during the primaries and caucuses? Next week is going to be an interesting time, folks. Trust us on that.
    hillbuzz

  45. moononpluto Says: Could it be that Hillary is peacefully sitting down with the enemy whilst all the time her troops were massing encircling the fort without the enemy realising.
    ================

    And then Hillary started playing good cop / bad cop. {Oh, dear, I can’t stop my delegates from doing their 300 petition to nominate me, but I’ll work with you to make it go smoothly…]

  46. mj

    There was no love lost, not even respect, between John F and Robert Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson…just a grudging admission that JFK needed to have LBJ on his ticket to ensure a Democratic victory in the 1960 election.

    As Paddy4Hill pointed out long ago however, there is one fly in that ointment this year…the neo-libs may not give a damm if they win or lose this time – they just wanted complete control of the DNC. Note the threats of non-support given to those who are reluctant to strongly support BHO.

    What all that will lead to is a complete rebuiding of the DLC – or construction of a similar power base w/in the Party.

    Those who talk of getting rid of Brazlle, Dean & friends if BO loses the GE forget that Dean took power after the debacle of his candidacy. Getting rid of that group ain’t gonna happen.

    It is probably going to take years of constituient dissatisfaction and monumental

  47. con’t

    dissatisfaction and monumental bungling at the highest levels, Bush-style to pry them from DNC control.

    Like wbboei says…we have to think strategically -not tactically.

  48. Has anyone else noticed that no one is talking about Obama at all about the convention, its all about Hillary. This convention is supposed to be about fuckwit but Hillary seems to be getting all the press, if I was bambi I would be furious, i bet he’s fuming.

    Hillary has managed to take bambi’s coronation and make it about her, thats some going and i dont think his messiahship knows quite what to do about it.

  49. # confloyd Says:
    August 16th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Something is up, Fox is railing against the Clinton’s and laughing at them! The jerks are out in full force again!!
    **************************

    Our hope is their fear: that Clinton might step in and take the nomination.

  50. The repugs are shitting themselves on their blogs that Obama’s just the stalking horse and its really Hillary at the convention.

  51. moononpluto Says:
    August 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Has anyone else noticed that no one is talking about Obama at all about the convention, its all about Hillary. This convention is supposed to be about fuckwit but Hillary seems to be getting all the press, if I was bambi I would be furious, i bet he’s fuming.
    ****************************

    Yes! It’s amazing. Also, the bots are fighting her more than McCain, bambi’s current opponent.

  52. Is anyone watching the religion interview on Fox. “The One” is back to crowing about his supposed opposition to the war in Iraq. He tried to make himself out as taking an unpopular view. Now he’s trying to explain his flip-flopping. He says he “changed his mind”…LOL

  53. Says he spoke to “experts” and that helped him make his decision. How many “experts” do state senators get to talk to in these situations?

  54. I missed the first 10 minutes. It hasn’t been a hard hitting interview. Fox will have pundits on after both McCain and Obama speak.

  55. moonpluto, exactly. Obama was talking like he was a big shot at that time. He gives the impression he was heavily involved in the process of the war decision when he was not.

  56. i think someone in McCains camp needs to discuss that or indeed McCain himself by saying, I was actually in the senate, you were not.

  57. The neos better think again. A lost of a party that has not been in power in 8 years especially in an economy where they should have won will be devestating. The people who caused it (people in power and who ran) will be thrown out quicker than you can say Jack Robinson.

    Dean will go out with the bath water. It is like when you should have won the world series, you paid billions and you did not. GONE

  58. WOW!
    Jerome Corsi interview (author of Obamanation) on Fox.
    Corsi’s getting death threats, is considering publishing the Obots threats, and the Daily kos published his home address on their site and told people to go and harass him (Corsi) and his family.

    This is scary sh!T. Wonder if this is what happened to the Ark. DNC chair, an HRC SD, who was murdered last week.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LtCiXDBak

  59. The bots are scary, they are thugs, the FBI should be all over Kos for threats and all over DU, they have been slandering and making threats all day.

  60. basil: If that is the hope and change, we can expect, it will be very scary. The bots are nutzos, but what is scarier, I’m sure their orders are coming from higher above.

  61. Obama looks kind of tired..odd for a guy just back from vacation. Talking about abortion…

    Have you ever voted to limit or reduce abortions…O says yes if woman’s health involved. Says common ground with Republicans…he has added effort to limit number of abortions in Democratic platform.

    Marriage…between man and woman Says God is in the mix.

  62. Sorry to say but this is exactly how dictatorships start out, they harass and distort and attack any opposition, they drown out the free speech.

    As a democrat , which Obama is not, he should say, the guy has written a book, i dont like it but free speech applies and i will reply to it.

    Instead, its threats and intimidation and i fail to see why the FBI are not involved.

  63. birdgal,
    you have no idea how grateful i am that I got sick and had to stop teaching in the slums of new Jersey.

    The health issues are under control but being in what was already an increasingly violent and hostile environment (think the opening scenes of Lean on Me) probably would have killed me.
    i can just imagine the harassment of teachers going on, now. And the sad thing is, there aren’t anywhere near enough qualified, certified AA’s to take our place. They don’t want to work in those schools.

  64. new take on an old song

    the Hotel barak Obama


    Last thing I remember, I was
    Running for the door
    I had to find the passage back
    To the place I was before
    ’relax,’ said the night man,
    We are programmed to receive.
    You can checkout any time you like,
    But you can never leave

    looks like the delegates are finding this out

  65. he just threw the gays under the bus i think. Said something about marriage between a man and a woman and something else.

  66. moonpluto,

    BO issued a 41 page rebuttal to Corsi’s book.

    hmmmmmmmm . . . .
    Why go to all that trouble unless you were trying real hard to hide something?
    Kerry only issued a one-page denial during the swift boat book release.

  67. Asked if evil exists, he says yes and we need to confront it. Also said though that sometimes how we confront evil is evil (this was a shot at the Iraq war)

    Would not have supported Clarance Thomas or Scalia for Supreme Court.

  68. He and brazile threw gays under the bus a long time ago when Brazile refused to included gay issues under the civil rights umbrella.

    There’s now a lawsuit against the DNC by a gay former worker who claims he was discriminated against. Deaniac had to undergo a taped deposition. i saw it somewhere . . . .

    Also, remember Donnie McClurkin, and the way BO refused to have his pic taken with the mayor of SF?

  69. Role of faith based organizations…thinks we need a “all hands on board” approach to solving social issue. Said he worked with churches when he left college.

  70. Not against giving money to faith based organizations but have to watch for discrimination (people hiring people of same faith) when fed monies involved.

  71. The 41 page response reminds me of the paper you do in College where you think they are weighing them.

    When you have to fight 41 pages worth, something is wrong.

  72. Merit pay for teachers…says should be performance pay for teachers. Should reward excellence.

    Taxes: Define Rich….Obama says $150,000 down is middle class. More than $250,000 you are doing fine.

    Softball questions from host…mostly he is giving things from his stump speeches.

  73. Gay marriage question earlier—I heard part of what he said. He gave example of someone not being able to visit significant other in hospital and that is wrong. Talked about marriage issue being decided by the states.

  74. What’s worth dying for? Obama…American Freedom, America’s national interests. Talks about visiting his grandfathers grave in Hawaii and Pearl Harbor memorial.

    Nato: we have pledged to act militarily if needed.

    Genocide: no hard and fast line, judgement call. If we have it in our power to prevent genocide or mass killing with international community then we need to do it. Gave Bosnia example–strong international case.

  75. Says tax cut for people $150 down–small tax increase if you make $250,000 above.

    And the sky’s will open up…celestial choirs will be singing…

  76. Orphans: Would he have emergency plan for orphans. Says it’s a great idea. Work with international institutions. Plan has to be how we prevent more orphans. More health infastructure (cites Bush’s Aids funding as a good thing).

    Religious persecution: How should we end this? Says we need to speak out. International forums. Must have religious tolerance in the US. No torture by US..

  77. So it’s more blah-blah-blahdedahdahdblah. 👿

    I don’t even understand WHY this is being televised. (not that I’m watching it).

    So it’s not even a debate, just a one-on-one with this rick guy?

  78. Slavery: more effective tools to combat it. Share intelligence

    Why he wants to be President?? When he was being mean to someone his mother told him “Imagine if you were in their shoes”. Idea of America is we care for others. He thinks it is slipping away. Says we are at critical junction in economy, politics. Washington broken..he can build bridges. Wants common sense solutions.

    Obama says we need more of these forums. Helps people make decision based on judgement. That voters aren’t just seeing negative ads. Wants voters to know him well. He trusts in American people to make good decision.

  79. Idunn,

    It’s getting there but 500 sf with 4 parrots is a bit tight. At least I don’t haveta worry about not being able to afford the mortgage. Most cars cost more than my cottage.

    :wink:.

  80. Says solving big problems, like energy, won’t be easy.

    Adoring crowd cheers Obama—has to be Obamabot crowd

    My take: generic Democrat answers to most questions–the rest brief versions of his stump speeches.
    Easy softball questions

    Whoa, larger roar for McCain as he enters!

  81. You know, I’m starting to not mind being thrown under the bus. I mean…look at the company we’re keeping under here: Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Charlie Rangel, Wes Clark, John Lewis…

  82. Author Grisham Still Supports Clinton
    Internationally known novelist John Grisham and his wife, Renee, both active Democrats, drove from their home outside Charlottesville to the convention in Hampton.

    Mrs. Grisham was selected this afternoon to serve as a delegate at the Democratic National Convention, where she plans to support Hillary Clinton even though Barack Obama won enough delegates to secure the nomination. Grisham will accompany his wife to Denver.

    Mrs. Grisham has known Clinton since attending a dinner at the White House a decade ago and campaigned for the New York senator in several states, including Texas and Mississippi, where she and her husband used to live.

    The couple hosted a fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Clinton last fall on the historic downtown mall in Charlottesville. More than 1,000 supporters attended the event, which raised $200,000.

    Grisham, who has sold more than 235 million books worldwide, served in the Mississippi House of Representatives from 1983 to 1990. He hosted a fundraiser for Sen. James Webb in 2006 in Charlottesville along with Gov. Timothy M. Kaine and author Stephen King.

    What do the Grishams think of Obama?

    “We’re Hillary people,” he said.

    By Anita Kumar | June 14, 2008; 3:38
    http:/ /blog.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2008/06/author_grisham.html

  83. Basil 9: I agree. I don’t think anyone is going to learn much from this interview. It’s just quick, straightforward questions and the candidate gets to answer briefly.

    Obama: Which 3 advisors will he look to for guidance: Michelle, Kennedy can’t remember 3rd

    John McCain: Gen. Petrayus, John Lewis Meg Whitman

  84. More Forums my A$$!

    That’s code for more committees which is code for more let’s sit around and stroke one anothers egos and agree to save the world and pat oursleves on the back for our oustanding work on behalf of the little guys and then go on vacation.

    I saw enough friggin ‘democracy in action in years of school board meetings, district reorganization meetings, school reform meetings to know that what happens on the small scale is just magnified on the large scale in Washington. The same underlying premise, don’t stir the pot, put in your time and get out before the sh!t starts flying characterizes both.

  85. McCain: greatest moral failure–his first marriage

    American’s greatest moral failure: haven’t devoted ourselves to causes greater than our self interest. We should all serve a cause greater than our self interest.

    Partisan Politics: Example of where he lead against his parties interests: McCain says he was never elected Miss Congeniality. Said spending, torture were issues and many other where he went against party.

    Opposed Regan wanting to send troops to Beruit…said he knew if would fail and it did. Said it was tough to go against party and president

  86. americangirl,

    Really? McCain got a good reception? Is it the same audience? How many attending?

    (I COULD turn on the tube . . . . )
    So BO lists MO as his top advisor? !!!!!! And Kennedy???? I mean the guy has a brain tumor . ..(sorry)

    Who’s Meg Whitman?

  87. americangirl,

    LOL!!!!

    Your impromptu paraphrasing of McCain’s comments is so much more . . .cogent than BO’s.

    I take it McCain gets to the point and actually has opinions and positions on the questions.

  88. Positions he has changed: McCain says he has changed mind on off-shore drilling (huge response from crowd).
    Says it is a security issue. We can’t allow this transfer of wealth to affect our security.

    Most gut wrenching decision: McCain says he could have left prison camp early but said no. Captors said it would be harder on him if stayed. Said it was but he is glad he did it. Said he prayed a lot.

  89. Basil9..McCain is much more detailed in his answers and more thoughtful in his responses. Glad that is showing up in my shorthand transcription 🙂

  90. Interesting that Johnny named John Lewis, the AA rep who was bullied and thugged coz of his HRC support as a top advisor.

  91. Obama will not pick Hillary as his V.P. The fallout would be too damaging to his career and career suicide for his lemmings. They can’t afford Hillary to even have even an iota of a chance to become president. Just think of the firings and “off with their heads” list she must have on tap.

    Not gonna happen.

  92. Basil9: big roar when McCain came on stage..to my ears sounded larger than Obama’s

    Meg Whitman is CEO of eBay. McCain cited her knowledge of business and the economy. She was speculated to be on his VP list at one time.

    John Lewis: for his courage in the civil rights marches

  93. McCain says his faith means he’s saved and forgiven. Talking about how he was tortured. Arms tied behind back.
    Guard loosened his ropes for a few hours…McCain saw him outside later. The guard drew a cross in the sand with his shoe to show he was a Christian. McCain choked up during this..moving story.

  94. When does life begin: McCain..at the moment of conception. Says he has 25 year pro-life record and would have a pro-life presidency.

    Marriage: union between man and woman. Says proposition 8 of California wrong. Doesn’t say legal agreements (alluding to gay marriage) can’t happen. Says state decision.

    Stem cells: says struggle with this issue..supports stem cell research but thinks skill cell research will make debate moot.

  95. Does evil exist? McCain: must be defeated. Says if he has to go to the gates of hell he will get Osama Bin Laden.

    Says islamic terrorists took two people with developmental disabilities and made them suicide bombers. That is evil.

  96. But it will play great to evangelicals.

    Sigh…what the hell possessed Bambi to participate in THIS format?! Not all that bright, if ya ask me.

  97. and there we have it folks, when off teleprompter, Obama goes into spit out stump speech mode, McCain goes into detail. Go figure.

  98. Supreme courts: would not have nominated Souter, Ginsberg, Stevens. Says nomination should be based on proven record of adhearing to consitution.

    Faith based organizations: went to New Oreans after Katrina. Saw a church that was coordinating thousands of volunteers. Says authorities off the record told him they were doing more than government.

  99. Meg Whitman may be running for governor of CA.

    I McCain’s answers: Petraeus (security), John Lewis (civil rights), and Meg Whitman (economy).

  100. Just been over to the land of fairies and imps to see what was happening, as i thought heads exploding that McCain is making Obama look like a wetassed rookie on this format. They are furious. Telling part is they are aiming the fury at Obama. Theres trouble in lalaland.

    If bambi makes it that far, McCain is going to make mincemeat of him in a debate.

  101. Merit pay: yes, find bad teachers another line of work (laughter and clapping from audience). Believes in choice, vouchers, home schooling etc.

    People, although we don’t have the same Republican views of McCain, he is coming across much more competent, knowledgable and sincere than Obama. I think he’s doing a far better job…the debates will be interesting…

  102. Obama next to McCain in a debate is going to look like a young sapling next to sturdy old oak. Obama is going to be creamed.

  103. Define rich: Says rich should be defined by home, good job and education. He doesn’t want to take money from rich…wants everyone to be able to be rich. Says should be tax credit for children and health insurance. Says some people work many hours a day and don’t deserve more taxes.

    Says spending has gotten out of control for our country. Jokes we spend money on studying DNA of Bears in Montana…was that a paternity issue? (Laughter).

    Wants working Americans to have better shot at a better life. People need hope and confidence..

  104. Says Republicans and Democrats need to work things out together. Important for the security of our country.

  105. This election is going to come down to the voting booth and people going in there and thinking, the worlds a mess, the economy is fucked, do i want to elect an unknown young man with no backbone or a sturdy war veteran senator with balls.

    Hands down americans are going with McCain over Obama.

  106. Obama: ‘I want to be President so I can be nice to people’

    Oh yeah that’ll solve the world wars and economic collapse. What a fuckwit.

  107. McCain going over great with the audience and with the pastor. he’s funny, engaging, impish, he tells poignant stories (the POW story, the Katrina story) he has a sense of humor, he seems authentic, his answers are sometimes passionate, sometimes amusing but always sincere . . .

    I’m glad I tuned in for this part.
    He’s against redistribution, for education choice, vouchers for health care . . . don’t like his pro-life stance but I do like the man.

    I could definitely vote for him.
    And it’s too bad MSMdoesn’t take soem cues from Rick Martin.,

  108. moon,
    on which sites are botheads exploding?
    i wanna go look.

    Ya know, I even like the way Johnny says “my Friends.”

    Now he’s talking about sashaskilvy (I know – i butchered it) of georgia and speaking with tremendous authority and insight into the situation.
    He knows ALLLL the facts, all the players: Lithuanians, Estonians flying to georgia to support them . . . he is a pretty impressive guy.

  109. Apparently Wes Clarks son has confirmed that his father has been snubbed by Obama. He posted a diary on Kos.

    The bots over at DK are exploding over it. Finally waking up to the fact Obama is going to toss every last one of them under the bus til there is no one left.

  110. Americangirl,
    BRAVO! Thanks for the help!
    I think it’s almost over.
    The orphan question. perfect no-brainer for johnny
    Why do you want to be prez?
    I want to inspire a generation of Americans to work for something better than their self interest. Our best days are ahead of us. It’s time to put our country first.
    I’ll be the president of every American and I’ll always put my country first.
    The audience gave him a standing ovation.

  111. Our best days are ahead of us.

    Excellent retort and dig at Obama saying that America’s best day are behind us.

  112. Back from calling my dad…he’s OK Sorry about that..had to check…

    Fox reporter making excuses for Obama (he’s tired from Hawaii trip!). Attacking McCain…this is the reporter whos a real Obamabot I think…

  113. lol, the old he’s tired. Christ if he’s tired now at 46 campaigning, McCains 72 and raring to go. What a fucking wimp.

  114. Just think how amazing the debates would have been if they were between Hillary and McCain. A far more level playing field.

  115. Hillary and McCain would be very interesting. It would be a substantive debate.

    Thanks to everyone for the information. 🙂

  116. How many times have they used the tired excuse for a poor performance. (When you have to excuse something, you are not measuring up).

    SDs I feel sorry for you.

    Thank You for the play by play also. I am one of those that just cannot watch. This group rocks.

  117. This was another live non teleprompter performance, and he just has not improved. Now the media will say he has improved, but he come acroos as insincere and card board like.

    McCain comes across as a person who really cares about people, and who has faced a horrific experience of his own, and survived. Not only survived, but stayed in the horrific situation and waited until those captured before him were released, even though they tell you it will get worse for you.

    It is like sitting in the chair with a bad tooth ach, and you wait another hours suffering until other’s with tooth aches have had their numbing shot. he reminds me of the little Chinese boy.

    I don’t think he is a fake.

  118. My opinion of the Saddleback extraganza is that the old man mopped the floor with the kid. He was totally shut down. Obama is toast! It seems to me all work and concrete opinions are above Bambi’s paygrade! LOL!! I can’t wait to see McCain attack ad on that paygrade comment!! Obama is a joke, he is NOT Potus material!
    Hillary could have answered those questions on religion, abortion, gay marriage with eloquence and answered the military/security with as much if not more stronger than McCain.
    The DNC is a stupid organization, if they have any brains they will throw Bambi out with the bathwater during the convention!!

  119. Maybe Bambi needs to hire Hillary for all non-telepromter events and all debates. He can sit on the side line and cheer!

  120. I did not know that old Johnny was so funny, he is hilarious! I will have no trouble voting for, especially if he does NOT hire Romney for Veep!

  121. hey admin.

    NEW COKE!!!! GOOD ONE… LOL

    OBAMA ISNT LOOKING FOR NEW COKE,
    HE’S LOOKING FOR ‘PURE COKE’…. 🙄

    anyway, you’re quick wit, and cool analogies are first class…

  122. Anybody get a chance to listen to Darragh Murphy on line tonite? She was excellent her guest was an African American woman named Doctor Blesdoe who has a doctorate in theology. In a nut shell she related a peronal story about her sister who suffers from MS who had worked for many years as a civil servant whose husband had worked for thirty years for a car manufacturing plant. MS being chronic and long term the insurance companies began to limit the care available. they fought back but she was quite elloquent in saying that we do not have time for Obama to learn the intracacies of the white house or how a bill even gets through congress. We need an answer now and hILLARY IS THE ONE TO DO IT

  123. Do you think some of the bots are smart enough to understand who bambi really is? Are any of them smart enough to understand that he is the candidate of big money and NOT them. 52 million in one month should be a wakeup call. Alot of that comes from overseas. Do they believe that money is coming from low dollar donors. They need to understand that whoever pays the piper calls the tune. Their messiah is bot and paid for. Next month it will be a hundred million. If they care about democracy that ought to scare the shit out of them. Big months now are a liablility.

  124. I heard someone say that Obama doesn’t believe there is a heaven. Did anyone hear him say this on the show. I need this info for my pastor

  125. I was amazed that O’Bama looked and sounded like John Edwards admitting his infidelity with the stafferHe was admitting his weaknesses and that Mo called him up for his SCREW-UP.After that it was all down hill to the cliff for this phoney extended warranty salesman. McCain did a great job and He would be my second choice after Hillary.All you poor doubters as to what Her intentions are should just relaz,take a deep breath and watch a real candidate go to work and pull this off as the peoples choice to lead our country back to days of the great accomplishments that Bill was able to attain.After tonight,O’Bama will begin his reduction to just another cheap and stupid politician that has revealed his inability to lead himself anywhere except to failure.
    Hillary,you are the best and your country needs you more than ever.Tonight was a good example of how the need for your presence in the race will shatter the glass ceiling.

    By ABM90 having a welcome Hillary HIGH.

  126. Kostner, someone over at NoQuarter said that the MSNBC panel all said McCain hit a home run. They also quoted David Gergan as saying Obama might have to worry about the upcoming debates.

    I watched Fox and the reporter right after the event said that the Obama camp wasn’t going to be pleased with McCain’s performance tonight. The commentators there also praised McCain for being prepared and for the real life stories he told (the one about his hardest decision–staying in a prison camp when he could have left early).

    There were some Obama biased pundits on Fox (not their top flight group). The best they said about Obama was that he looked relaxed and conversational. Not a surprise for someone just off a vacation in Hawaii.

  127. NewMexicoFan,

    I dont believe many people would watch this debate amid the exciting olympics. I’ve sucked up with the Olys…

    We all know bambi is a lousy debater. He can’t utter a complete sentence without a telepromter. Freepers seem to be very excited about mccain’s performance. Usually, they’re very very reluctant to back him.

    The nuts & bots are delusional. They kept saying in the past that Obama would destroy mccain in debates. Geez, if obama’s duel with Hillary was of any evidence, he’ll get bloodied by the old pol.

  128. SDs you got to either be freaking out or drunk at this point.

    I would feel a bit detrayed by the DNC. But then, Dean does not give a SXX. He can go back and be a doctor.

  129. So Os people are going to be upset with McCain???? The person they have to be upset with is O. He does not even take responsibility for his crappy performance.

    A 71 year old kicking the Axx of a 40 something. They are mad cause he did so good????

    I think people will over poll for O but pull the lever for Mc Cain.

  130. It looks like bambi’s grand plan of ‘changing’ the map day by day. Just read another poll from NC. bambi is now trailing mccain by 5 points without hitting 40%.

    Mccain is definitely consolidating his base across the board. He can just focus on some traditional battle ground states.

    Bambi better pray for a big bounce …

  131. an someone here give the link to tht statement from wes clark’s son saying his dad was tossed by obama?

  132. Unfortunately, a big bounce just won’t do it.

    In addtion to a big bounce (It would have to be double digit), he would need to sustain it. Just has not happen.

    What happened tonight did not make him super human to obtain that double digit bounce. (I guess the Dems are betting on his having fantastic Debates, which have not happened). I guess all that money spent on Publicity will do it (which has not happened).

    You would think that the DNC, SDs, and the O camp would be as smart as we are. We know that Os group is on something, but you have to wonder about the DNC and SDs.

    Not the party I thought they were.

  133. Kostner, New Mexico is becoming a problem for Obama too (btw, we love the first sentence of the article):

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/04/betting-west-new-mexico/

    LAS CRUCES, N.M. — Pink morning light climbs over the jagged Organ Mountains, casting a glow on the Rio Grande, the lifeblood of this otherwise unforgiving desert.
    [snip]

    This country is as fertile for Democrats as it is for chiles. One old-timer explained that party affiliation comes at birth: “We are Hispanic. We are Catholic. We are Democrats.”

    Even though Barack Obama has been polling well nationally among Hispanic voters, he faces a huge challenge in must-win New Mexico. An overwhelming number of voters here adored Hillary Clinton and distrust Obama. If Bill Clinton was the “first black president,” then, to many around Las Cruces, Hillary could have been the first Hispanic president. They identified with her that closely.

    “I loved her comment about glass ceilings,” said Cervantes, who is deeply concerned about women’s issues. “In agriculture, there are a lot of barriers to women. I have broken a lot of glass ceilings.”

    Mary Jane Garcia, a New Mexico state senator and pledged Clinton delegate, cried as Clinton conceded. She first met Hillary Clinton in 1992 and speaks of her like a sister who has been wronged.

    “It hurt me deeply,” she said of Clinton’s loss. “I’m really struggling. I’m going to Denver to cast my vote only for Hillary and no one else. She’s good. She’s kind. She’s compassionate.”

    Garcia, 71, lives in Doña Ana, just north of Las Cruces. She thinks Obama has come off as condescending and arrogant.

    “I don’t know one single Hispanic over 50 who will cast a vote for Obama,” she said, conceding that “there have always been conflicts between blacks and browns.”

    Obama’s only hope, said Garcia, is to name Clinton as his vice president.

    “That might push us all to go to the polls and vote,” she said.

    Obamas regarded coolly

    Several voters said they wanted Obama to clarify his positions and felt they “didn’t know Obama.”

    That’s a surprise considering both Obamas have visited this vital swing area in this vital swing state.

    Michelle Obama came to Las Cruces in February, followed by her husband on Memorial Day. To some, Michelle Obama seemed aloof, an impression only bolstered by her infamous “fist bump,” seen in urban America as cool and here as cold. Las Cruces is full of retired veterans and parents of current service members. Many of them homed in on Michelle Obama’s comment about being “really proud of her country for the first time” and think she’s unpatriotic.

    When Barack Obama came to Las Cruces on Memorial Day, he should have locked in support. Instead, his campaign inadvertently angered some reliable Democrats. Loyalists here expect face-to-face time with candidates and are willing to wait hours in 100-degree heat for a good old-fashioned political bash. Obama’s campaign initially promised a public rally; so Democrats canceled their Memorial Day plans and revved up for a celebration. Then the campaign shifted gears and held a small, private, made-for-TV gathering with a handful of veterans instead.

    New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson appeared with Obama at the Las Cruces Farm and Ranch Museum. The rugged mountains provided a perfect old West backdrop for CNN. But the event left some excluded locals grumbling.

    Obama made another trip to New Mexico in June — this time to Albuquerque. He got the message that he needed to reach out to women. He held a forum with working women, but once again failed to hold a large rally. If Obama wants to win in the Las Cruces area he’ll have to come back and let people here get to know him much better, analysts say.

    “New Mexico is a Democratic state, but it’s conservative,” said political analyst Heath Haussamen of Las Cruces. “I think voters will look at John McCain very seriously if Obama doesn’t come back and give them a compelling reason to vote for him.”

    Winning southern New Mexico is key to the Democrats’ plan to win New Mexico. [snip]

    “I’m a Democrat through and through. They represent the ordinary, average population of America,” she said. “But, I’m going to have to really study Obama. I personally think he lacks a lot of experience.”

    Voting for McCain is not a choice Cervantes wants to make. But, she and many in southern New Mexico are looking for someone who feels familiar to them.

    [good long article with much more information]

  134. The stupid Bots are saying that McCain got his questions before so he could answer them quickly. Oh boy, these guys can’t see the forest for the trees.
    McCain made Obama look like a kindergartener in High school!

  135. Las Cruces is in District 2. This was the only district that HRC won in NM. She did not win 1(Mainly Albuquerque), nor 2 (northern NM) although she has a lot of supporters there also.

    Remember she took NM by 1K votes, and they have acted here like she lost.

    O is due back here in the next few days. He will do his usually staged event.

    He does not know how to win people over. Many here are not going to vote, or will vote for McCain.

  136. NMF, he’s bleeding Latino support. She would have won by a wider margin if it were a real primary, open for more hours. What you have is called a firehouse primary. It sucks. There is speculation he’s coming back to your state to name Richardson VP. Thoughts?

  137. oh boy-go to nq. obam not only bombed tonight-but the pundits are freaked. tm is freaked. can we get some supers to freak? obama said he voted against the war tonight. oh boy
    http:/ /noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/16/obamas-problems-in-tonights-debate/#more-4220

  138. emjay said:…the neo-libs may not give a damm if they win or lose this time – they just wanted complete control of the DNC. [….]
    Those who talk of getting rid of Brazlle, Dean & friends if BO loses the GE forget that Dean took power after the debacle of his candidacy.

    =======

    I wasn’t watching much in 2004, but wasn’t Dean offered the chair in exchange for dropping out of the primary race? In a deal, with a promise not to run again in 2008?

  139. “I wasn’t watching much in 2004, but wasn’t Dean offered the chair in exchange for dropping out of the primary race? In a deal, with a promise not to run again in 2008?”

    No. He ran a campaign for the chair and promised to restore funding to state level DNC offices, ie 50 state strategy, and those state DNC members voted him in.

  140. MJ

    Richardson should not stand up to the vetting process if it is conducted in a through manner.

    If not, the Enquirer will have a another first rate story or two.

    If Richardson could sway Hispanic votes, why did he endorse after it was not important?

    A lot of Hispanics repected HRC here, and they are mad as hell that he sold her down the river.

  141. I am glad to know it is referred to as a fire house primary. I lovingly refer to it as the Primary from HXXX. I never want to live through it again. Adding hours on might have given her a bigger victory, but we would have all been dead.

    Since I have quit the party, I probably will not have to.

  142. If O was this sloppy mentally after a weeks + vacation, how can he possible handle the Debates.

    Sure would make me nervous if I were running the campaign.

  143. If he was tired after his vacation, how is he going to run the country when you might not be able to get enough rest for days at a time!

  144. wtf-obama gettin blasted on this. forget that gop vote for bambi. i cannot believe this
    Obama says pointed abortion query “above his pay grade”
    Post a commentPosted by: Ed Stoddard
    Tags: Tales from the Trail: 2008
    DALLAS – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum.

    Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”

    He went on to reiterate his view that it was important to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

    Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who followed Obama onto the stage of the nationally televised event, was more blunt and more emphatic.

    He said a baby’s human rights began “at the moment of conception … I have a 25-year pro-life record.”

    Both candidates were vying for the “faith vote,” in particular the one in four U.S. adults who count themselves as evangelical.

    Obama took questions first from Warren and McCain followed. The two shared the stage together briefly.

    Some centrist evangelicals have said they appreciate moves by the Democratic Party to “soften” the edges of its pro-choice stand by stressing the need to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions — and by also working harder in areas like adoption.

    But for many conservative evangelicals — a key part of the evangelical base — life begins at conception and the argument ends there.

    The issue remains one of the most divisive and partisan in America — as Obama and McCain highlighted on Warren’s stage.

    (Additional reporting by Jeff Mason)

  145. Tex, I watched him put his foot squarely in his mouth with that statement about that being above his pay grade, of coarse I knew what he meant, (God is the only knows when life begins), but the republicans will show it as apathetic to the cause of prolife groups.
    Lets face it, it was a stupid thing to say!

  146. our lives are to go further to hell bc the dnc bigwigs hate hillary so much they wont nom her? thousdands will die without healthcare and the war bc dean/pelosi want obama and his money? the country is being sacraficed for this.

  147. That line “above my pay grade” was initially said by Fred Thompson during the primary. Funny old BO was quoting a quote from a republican!

  148. The more I think about the state of things, the media lying and not investigating anything on Obama, the more I think this whole thing was done by the Chicago combine to get Hillary out.
    I bet the republicans will not even go after the issues we have against Obama. I think the Whitey tapes will not be played, nor will the birth certificate or the citizenship be looked into by the republicans.
    Remember the power republicans hate John McCain. Obama is the true manchurian candidate!
    He raised 51 million in JUly and McCain only raised 27 million, what does that tell you he has been selected to be our President!

  149. phelps is the new media darling-and actually a hero. obama has competition ith msm now.
    http:/ /hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/solid-gold-michael-phelps-wins-eight-becomes-new-media-darling-for-at-least-a-month/

  150. Confloyd: no I did not see it but it sounds like McCain did exceptionally well and Bambi was weak. But just like Archmedes (or whoever the hell it was) give me a lever long enough and I will move the world except in Bambis case its give me a teleprompter and I will bamboozle the world. One of the problems with being a self proclaimed Caesar is you dont get to say things like above my pay grade, but maybe what he really means is Soros will decide. Now where the hell was momma E. She was supposed to show up dressed like a bot and pop the question to bambi about the birth certificate. She probably decided to kick the shit out of a few bots instead, but I wish she would not get distracted from the mission.

  151. McCain has good people now and they dont need me to tell them what is obvious and that is these big contributions may titilate Big Media but they do not endear bambi to the average working stiff. Rather they make it easier to portray him as an elitist funded by billionaires who are looking for something big in return. Sometimes I think we are fighting the battle that the bots should be fighting for themselves if they were not so delusional. There is no pot at the end of the rainbow for them with bambis name on it.

  152. 4. Breach of Fiduciary Duty: The First Amendment prohibits government from abridging freedom of the press. In return, the press is expected to operate in a professional manner. The American People do not have the time, or inclination to examine all aspects of a candidate. Rather, they rely on the media to do that for them. The media has a corresponding obligation to provide a fair sense of the pros and cons of both candidates so American People can make an informed decision when they cast their vote.

    a. the standard: Big Media has a fiduciary duty to the American People to conduct a due diligence investigation into all candidates seeking high public office, to treat them with a decent respect, to provide fair and balanced coverage, and to act as an honest broker in the process

    b. breach of the standard: Big Media breached that duty when it failed to investigate: i) Obama’s toxic association with political fixer Rezko until Hillary mentioned it in a debate, ii) Obamas 20 year association with his racist spiritual advisor Reverend Wright until FOX News broke the story, iii) allegations that Obama does not eligibility requirements to be president, iv) allegations that Obama has a illegitimate child by a white woman who he lived with for a year when he was attending Columbia Law School and has failed to provide for and v) allegations that John Edwards had a love child until National Enquirer broke the story. (Note: if Big Media had presented that story a year ago, Hillary Clinton would probably be the nominee.)

    Moreover, Big Media breached that duty when it failed to act as an honest broker. Instead, it managed to present all the pros of Obama and all the cons of Hillary. Fortunately, many voters had a chance to meet the candidates as they traversed the country and make up their minds on that basis. Others had access to the internet where the truth could be learned. But at some point it became obvious to most voters that they were not getting the full story from Big Media. For many the moment of truth arrived when Saturday Night Live did a skit showing how the late Tim Russert would savage Hillary and lob soft balls to Obama in a debate.

    c. damages: where, as here, Big Media falls in love with a candidate, and presents him as the Messiah day in and day out, then the public will come to believe that poppycock. But later, when the true facts about the candidate come to light, the shock can do grave damage to the national psyche and to the hopes of his devotees. Disillusionment and civil disorder are likely to follow, especially when the race factor is implicated. By the same token, when Big Media decides to vilify a candidate without hard proof or based on personal bias the same reaction can ensue. That is precisely the predicament that Big Media has put the country in today as the Obama campaign starts to unravel. This is not what Jefferson had in mind when he crafted the First Amendment which insulates them from the consequences of their nihilism. But how could he have known that the press would one day become Big Media– the wholly owned subsidiary and indentured servant of multi-national corporations.

  153. Good morning all:I have a on playing a favorite of mine for Hillary. :It Had To Be You:.On my way to my place of worship and I could not be happier as I see my prayers answered slowly but surely.It WILL BE HILLARY.After last night’s Fiasco by the sel-anointed leader of his band.He looked like a pathetic JE explaining his failures.His advisers MO and a few has beens and want to be again on the political Gravy Train.Last night O’Bama revealed what we all know about him.LOSER_LOSER_LOSER. He got his ashes hauled by John McCAIN.A lot of scrambling Idolators in a state of panic.

    ByABM90 “IT IS GOING TO TAKE OUR HILLARY TO FIX OUR VILLAGE”

  154. Damn straight ABM90, Bamba got kicked squarely in the behind lasy night. I have to say McCain is looking pretty good. All these people going on about McCains age and bama can’t even cut it at 46, we need more seniors runing this place, maybe you should run ABM90, you surely couldnt do any worse.

  155. TRANSCRIPT of last night’s forum.

    rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

    A sample! ROTF!
    Martin asks who are the 3 wisest people he knows and name those he would count on for advice.
    Here’s Waffles answer. I’m not making this up!!!!!

    . YOU MENTIONED ONE PERSON ID BE LISTENING TO AND

    12 THAT’S MICHELLE, MY WIFE, WHO IS NOT ONLY WISE BUT SHE’S

    13 HONEST. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED — I THINK ANY

    14 LEADER NEEDS IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN GET UP IN YOUR FACE AND

    15 SAY, BOY, YOU REALLY SCREWED THAT ONE UP. YOU REALLY BLEW

    16 THAT.

    17 Q YOUR WIFE’S LIKE THAT TOO?

    18 A YES. YES. SO — SO THAT’S VERY HELPFUL.

    19 ANOTHER PERSON IN THAT CATEGORY IS MY GRANDMOTHER WHO’S AN

    20 EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. SHE WAS NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE. SHE

    21 WORKED ON A BOMBER ASSEMBLY LINE DURING WORLD WAR II WHEN

    22 MY GRANDFATHER WAS AWAY, CAME BACK, GOT A JOB AS A

    23 SECRETARY, WORKED HER WAY UP TO BECOME A BANK VICE

    24 PRESIDENT BEFORE SHE RETIRED AND SHE’S JUST A VERY

    25 GROUNDED COMMON SENSE NO FUSS NO FRILL KIND OF PERSON AND

    1 WHEN I’VE GOT BIG DECISIONS I OFTEN CHECK IN WITH HER.

    2 LOST FEED.

  156. Bambi just made a big mistake there, he basically told the american people he needs to check with his wife before making any decision. Jesus that will go down well with the men won’t it. Who’s running for President, him or Michelle.

  157. Wonder if the polls will give McCain a bounce from this? It will be interesting to watch.

    I really don’t think that McCain wants a bounce of any magnatude going to the Dem Convention or things might twist on him, and he is ready to go with O and he likes what he sees.

    He must have a lot of utubes ready to go.

  158. McCain listed as his top 3 advisers an important military person, Patraeus, a civil Rights leader, John Lewis, and a business expert, Meg Whitman.

    Compare that to Waffles responses! LMAO.

    I hadn’t watched the forum until mcCain came on so reading through the Waffles portion of the transcript has been both amusing and horrifying.

    That ‘above my pay grade comment’ was weird although i confess I’m not entirely sure of what it means other than he’s not qualified which, of course, we already know.

    One place Waffles was honest was in response to the question about his biggest moral failing.
    Waffles said it was his selfishness, his tendency to view the world as all about him. Bet someone on staff told him he better start showing some friggin humility even if he didn’t mean it.

  159. Is it just me or is Obama being crucified today in the msm. Msnbc went after bambi, seems they show their true colours, they preffered Obama over Clinton but they prefer McCain over Obama.

    CNN today, the snippets they showed Obama’s statements about his youth wherein he talked about his drug use and youthful narcissism.

    Second, they showed McLame’s talk on his P.O.W. ‘choice’ to stay and how hard it was on him after that decision.

    So do you vote for the self-involved drug addict, or the war hero?

  160. Basil, that was a bad move by Bambi, he admitted he’s selfish, that will translate as, he wont give a fuck about us then. Stupid thing to say.

  161. What would be the greatest moral failure in your life.
    Here’s the answer.

    I’VE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE

    4 TIMES WHERE I EXPERIMENTED WITH DRUGS. I DRANK, YOU KNOW,

    5 IN MY TEENAGE YEARS AND WHAT I TRACED THIS TO IS A CERTAIN

    6 SELFISH NECESSARY ON MY PART. I WAS SO OBSESSED WITH ME

    7 AND YOU KNOW THE REASONS THAT I MIGHT BE DISSATISFIED THAT

    8 I COULDN’T FOCUS ON OTHER PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW I THINK

    9 THE PROCESS FOR ME OF GROWING UP WAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT

    10 IT’S NOT ABOUT ME, IT’S ABOUT —

    11 Q I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT.

    12 A IT’S ABOUT — ABSOLUTELY, BUT LOOK, THE — WHEN

    13 I — WHEN I FIND MYSELF TAKING THE WRONG STEP, I THINK A

    14 LOT OF THE TIMES IT’S BECAUSE I’M TRYING TO PROTECT MYSELF

    15 INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO GOD’S WORK.

    16 Q FUNDAMENTAL SELFISHNESS?

    17 A SO THAT I THINK IS MY OWN FAILURE NOW.

  162. That might be Os biggest strategic error. He feels what he says should supersede how he acts or behaves.

    People listen to what you say, but it comes back to your actions. His actions really don’t measure up to his words.

  163. lots of people still agree he’s selfish and petulant and then he goes and admits it, what an ass. Its one thing to think it but don’t put it into peoples mouths and heads.

  164. SDs we hear how you are being harrassed and bullied. Some of you are even being threatened.

    Can you imagine what it will do for you in your district if you take the hard stand and support what the voters voted for?

    You night look as courages as McCain, who elected to stay in a POW camp, to let others behind him go first, even though it mean he would be beaten more.

  165. I would think the SD’s would very worried watching that train crash of an event for bambi last night.

    Hers a bit from another site

    I watched Rick Warren’s Saddleback event last night. I thought it was interesting. I thought John McCain won, an opening shared by Zack Exley, a former John Kerry staffer. He called Obama’s performance “disappointing” and notes that he had been coached on a number of issues by evangelical leaders but that Obama “kind of went around in circles”, calling it “a little John Kerryesque”.

    By contrast, he describes McCain as:

    Wow. McCain is doing really well. He’s so relaxed and natural. What’s going on? He was supposed to be old and spent and out of touch. But he’s being so much more engaging than Obama was. I think… Right?

    When bambi is being called Kerryesque by Dems, i think some people need to worry and worry fast.

  166. I have to say I am beginning to resent everything that the Dems are doing to heal the party.

    1. Unity parties that only the HRC people put together, and attend. The O people who attend whisper in the corner about don’t let the B anywhere near the ticket.

    2. Healing of the party emotional sessions. Again the HRC people go, but the others if they come sit in the corner and politic. They don’t even get that the HRC people are not crazy. They are fighing for their Democracy.

    When your party starts telling you there is something wrong with your emotions because you cannot accept that the popular vote winner did not go forward in a democracy, it is time to get out.

    They are treating HRC people like this is a female issue, and we need to get over it. Does that sound like Woodrow Wilson who wanted the lead women in the quest for our right to vote declared insane.

  167. Holiday or not, Obama probably thought this forum would be a snap for him…no need for preparation because his sleezy smile would be enough. I would think that his handlers have a hard time handling his arrogant attitude as well.

  168. Morning Jan and NMF, what a train crash wreck event for bambi that was.

    He really is starting to believe his own hype and implode.

  169. moononpluto

    I nice little well controlled event he can handle, but pressure he can not.

    I have to wonder what the SDs are thinking now.

  170. By the Way Moononpluto

    I got to meet the astronomer that discovered Ploto before he died. He was an unbelieveable person, even in his 80s.

  171. NMF: Great post at 10:03. I feel the same way.

    “I have to say I am beginning to resent everything that the Dems are doing to heal the party.”

    Especially, the above line. You’re right-it seems like, only Hillary is making an effort for unity. BO and his people, just say, “Get over it,” which is very dismissive and arrogant. Statements like that, tend to alienate people, not bring them together.

  172. Okay, last night when I got in bed they were replaying the Saddleback gig on CNN, so I watched. Just a few thoughts:

    1). After watching Obama’s segment, my intitial feeling was that he didn’t do all that terrible. By that, I mean , there were no MAJOR disasters. The problem with how he works a room is EXACTLY what Bredesen nails him on…he needs to recognize his audience and come down off his intellectual high horse. When people are struggling to keep their heads above water, they don’t want grand speeches and high minded philosophy. They just want straight answers. Simple as that. Obama, sadly , isn’t able to do that…apparently no matter how hard he tries.

    2). Major gaffe? Defining the moment of conception as above his pay rate?! WTF?! Yes, I do get the point he was trying to make. But let’s get real for a second here: you can disagree with Pro-lifers all you want, but they have a right to their views on this issue. For them, it is a sacred view based on deeply held religious convictions. You DON’T open a dialogue with them on this subject, by failing to recognize that and taking that view seriously. You just don’t. This “pay rate” comment was cold, overly intellectual , and just plain stupid, given the audience.

    3). Keep hearing people freaking out about Bambi saying his most difficult choice was voting against the war in Iraq. He never said that, folks. He said “opposing the war in Iraq”. In my opinions, this is an even lamer response because of that. Evangelicals vote based on deeply held convictions. Bambi was basically telling these people that having a “deeply held conviction” was a difficult choice for him. NOT GOOD.

    4). Out comes McCain. And after just a few minutes, he settled in to his comfort zone. He was actually warm (wow!), funny (wowx2…who knew), and when he gave an answer, you KNEW he meant what he said. No waffling, no equivocating, no intellectual circles jerks. What you see is what you get.

    5). Given THIS audience, my honest opinion is that McCain handed Obama his ass on a platter.

  173. Idunn

    I can live with a candidate that does not agree with me about everything.

    At least I know where he stands.

    The other comfort for me is that McCain had the guts to go against his own party. That to me is admirable.

    How many Dems are standing up now. They are heroic also. The rest are beinging to look like cowards.

  174. This will make a wonderful commercial.

    “Being the President is above Obama’s pay grade.”

    You can see it coming.

  175. Obama chose his words badly, and they will come back to haunt and taunt him through November.

    His goal was to pick off a few percentage points from McCain among evangelical voters. I think it had the opposite effect.

  176. Above your pay grade? Is that the new code for “I’m too scared to say?”

    You bet it is! He’s basically saying, “Well, I’m not God, so I don’t have to have an opinion on that.”

    Total cop out. And it won’t play well with many Pro-lifers, I’ll wager.

  177. Idunn it didnt play well with anyone, it was condescending. Everyone I’ve talked too today has said, “what the fuck was that about” even the bots are at a loss to explain it. As i said sit back and wait for the ad “Being the President is above Obama’s pay grade.”

    You can see it coming a mile off.

  178. Another thing just pointed out over on No Quarter.

    Bambi spouted off about gay marriage not being correct and he did it on the night that Ellen and Portia got married. Watch Hollywood flip out.
    This one is going to cost him.

  179. I had never heard the phrase “above my pay grade” until last night.

    Anyone else familiar with that phrase>

  180. “above his pay grade” is code for poor me…I’ve overcome all the barriers and all the race cards thrown at me and on and on and on…

  181. Some Delegatess (that have switched) saying they will not switch back to HRC, as they are concerned about unity!

    WHAT UNITY. The percentage estimated not to go with O has not only stayed the same, but gotten worse.

    I think you should be more worried about voting for the candidate you were chosen to represent, and really betraying that promise.

  182. I still don’t get it. I mean, i get the implications (I think) but I’d like to hear it in context.

    Tine to do a search.

  183. Pay rate, in this context , is intended to refer to rank. I THINK Bambi was saying he doesn’t know when the moment of life begins because he isn’t God (who outranks him). Something to that effect.

    Again…over intellectualizing an answer. People are totally scratching their heads.

    What was that quote from Bredesen, again? Oh yeah, “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

    Truer words were never spoken.

  184. Hmmmmmmm……
    “It’s above my pay grade” is a term commonly used in the FBI and the military.
    II thought Waffles didn’t know much about the military.
    There was something very odd about his use of that phrase.
    Here are a couple of definitions.

    It was very common in the military circles I moved in for a long time, audio; we civilians didn’t use it much.

    “It’s above my pay grade” means something like “I’m too junior to know about that” or “I’m too junior to decide that”. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the speaker is of low rank: he or she could be quite senior. It’s often used humorously, but by no means always.”

  185. Idunn,

    I found it I weird, especially now that I know it’s an FBI/military phrase.

    It’s almost as if he picked up unfamiliar ‘jargon’ from a place one wouldn’t have expected him to be familiar with.
    More red flags for me. Unit malfunction. 👿

  186. well 2 months after Hillary not being around to coach/teach this usurper, he cannot “steal” any more quotes.

    The copier machine is not around and flimpy handwritten gibberish is spewing the foul mouth of BO!

  187. OK Idunn.
    One more.
    This is a response to a posters inquiry about the phrase origins.

    “Two special agents talking about the problems with the flow of information:”

    A1: Why wasn’t I told about it?
    A2: Frankly, it’s above your pay grade.

    I assume the pay grade phrase refers to the (low) position of the agent in the FBI hierarchy, right?

    Is this expression common?

    Thank you!”

  188. So if the evangelicals give him a “pay raise” will he then know how to answer the question?

    That is money/power talking!!!!!

  189. I can see the headlines on Nov. 5th, the democrats have failed again to unseat the Republicans even though they had millions and million more money. They just can’t close the deal!!

  190. I assume the pay grade phrase refers to the (low) position of the agent in the FBI hierarchy, right?

    Right. Military, FBI , etc. It’s used to denote rank.

    Is this expression common?

    In military circles, I believe it is. I honestly have NO idea how I was able to pick up on the context of that remark. Must have heard the pay rate thing somewhere and stored the info deep in “the vault” or something. If I hadn’t, I don’t think I would have in a million years, been able to figure out what the hell Bambi was talking about.

  191. Obomba is in SF this afternoon…big fundraiser…you know with those Elite SF’s who think that there are bitter, gun clinging white folks in the rural and heartland of America

  192. Above my pay grade is also another way to say “I’m passing the “buck” to someone higher.

    NO LEADERSHIP Ability at all….WEAK!

  193. “above (or below) my pay grade” goes at least as far back as WW2 … kind of goes with the days of GI Joe and maybe even WW1 …so, I suppose we could speculate about what old time military man ho’ BO has been talking to, but I think he threw that in just to make him sound like he’s on easy terms with the military… con men are good at stealing the lingo in order to bamboozle.

  194. and he did it on the night Ellen and Portia got married, i bet she’ll have a few things to say about that.

  195. basically Obama regardless said “I aint touching that one with a 10ft pole” when he said that pay grade thing, its a cop out, meaning I am not answering.

  196. from No Quarter

    Okay – as promised, here is the big event of the night in California. Ellen and Portia Get Married, Obama, on this night, also touched on same-sex marriage. When asked to define marriage, he told Warren, “It’s a union between a man and a woman.”

    “For me as a Christian, it is a sacred union. God’s in the mix,” he said.

    Obama added that he does support same-sex civil unions, saying, “I can afford those civil rights to others even if I don’t have … that view.”

    Gosh, Obush – don’t tell Ellen and Portia that you think MARRIAGE is between a “man and a woman”! The night you made this pandering comment they did just that – so what are you saying to THEM?!?! And how freakin’ magnanimous that you are willing to “afford civil rights to others…” What a guy!! Gee – it must be hard to sleep at night with all that twisting and turning, flipping and flopping…

    Playing Double Agent often gets you shot by both sides, did no one explain this to Bambi.

  197. In SF, the gay, elite folks as well as the rich socialites have their own agenda…subscribe to being “hip and cool community” to get party invites…..

    It’s all about “being on the list”….

    I know this…the rich “open their houses” to the common folks but hold their nose without getting to know the people who go to these fundraisers…

    It is all about…I need to be a host…please use my name when making a contribution so I can be invited to future events free!

    And some of these “rich designer wearing hosts” have not even contributed the maximum to their candidates.

  198. grape,

    I think Bruce Willis said it in Diehard 4.

    We all know what a movie buff Waffles is.

    He got much of his SC stump speech from Spike Lee’s Malcolm X film.
    👿

  199. Gay Pride has gone out the window, very few want to fight anymore and thats the problem, theres no people like the drag queens of stonewall tasking these mothers to task. I hope Ellen rips him a new asshole for his duplicity.

    Gays voting for Obama is like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

  200. I did not see the Rick Warren forum…
    Who was Bambi’s third “advisor”…after his “unpatriotic first timer proud black” wife and his “white racist under the bus” grandmother?

  201. there are some pretty funny stuff about Bambi’s performance over at “little green footballs” Hilarious stuff!

  202. On my…ted kennedy..wow…who would advice him if “a thinking” kennedy was not around….I mean this serious!!!!

    I mean f**king unbelievable..

  203. Yep…his advisors are all liberals with a CAPITAL “L”!!!! he he he!!!

    What a smart thinking McCain…mentioning John Lewis and civil liberties!!!!

  204. yeah take advice from an old drunk who left a woman to die and then turned on his friends who helped him. Real good role model there.

  205. Hi all!

    Just passing through, but here is a great read!
    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/africans-for-obama-2008-sending-delegates-to-denver/

    Also, Admin…. When I lived in Atlanta, I was actually on the design team that did the roll out for new Coke packaging…

    My section was doing bottlers materials. We were sworn to absolute silence in the run up to the intro, and I still have my award for what was knows as …funny enough in this Obamaworld..

    PROJECT KANSAS
    That really was the operational name of the entire New Coke roll out.

    I still have a framed certificate, signed by Bill (can’t remember his name, head Art Director for Coke Atlanta and Bryan Dyson)
    Let’s just hope this “Project Kansas” sees the same success as that attempt to repackage something people already liked….

    I have to go back and paint, but be sure to read B Merry’s link.

  206. Dickytoes Morris has real GOOD reason why all us women should just go ahead and vote for the fraudulent King:
    According to Morris, Obama had “Hillary over a barrel.” No other “loser,” as HRC is being called today, ever got 18 million votes, close to the same as the nominee. But because Obama recognizes the clout Clinton has earned and has also retained, it tells the American voter how he’d govern. If that’s true then every single woman in this country ought to vote for this guy, because after a grueling primary season, the clamor of disrespect over sexis made by HRC supporters, at long last Obama and his team, as well as the Democratic Party, get it.

  207. # mp Says:
    August 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    I did not see the Rick Warren forum…
    Who was Bambi’s third “advisor”…after his “unpatriotic first timer proud black” wife and his “white racist under the bus” grandmother?
    —————————————–
    from RCP report:
    “Each was asked to name three people he would rely on for advice. Obama chose his wife, Michelle; his grandmother; and a group of politicians that included former senator Sam Nunn, a Democrat from Georgia, and Sen. Tom Coburn, a conservative Republican from Oklahoma who is backing McCain.

    McCain named General David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq; Meg Whitman, a campaign adviser who has helped found eBay; and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), an Obama supporter whom McCain praised for his courage in the civil rights movement.

  208. Confloyd, little green footbals, Obama nearly said Thomas didnt have enough experience, they are right, lol.

  209. hillary in nm for a unity rally w richardson and a pay off the debt fundraiser with the bastard. its gets sicker every day. meanwhile the nation is being sacraficed for the nomination of obama at all costs?

  210. “Each was asked to name three people he would rely on for advice. Obama chose his wife, Michelle; his grandmother; and a group of politicians that included former senator Sam Nunn, a Democrat from Georgia, and Sen. Tom Coburn, a conservative Republican from Oklahoma who is backing McCain.

    Geez, why then do I remember his answer as Michelle, Granny and Ted?

  211. confloyd Says:
    Dickytoes Morris has real GOOD reason why all us women should just go ahead and vote for the fraudulent King:
    According to Morris, Obama had “Hillary over a barrel.”

    Huh? Who had who over a barrel? Obama needs Hillary’s supporters (9 million rejecting him). Her delegates were preparing the papers to place her in nomination regardless of the DNC brass. PUMAs are getting great coverage in national media.

    Hillary needs nothing from Obama. She has nothing more to lose. She can go back to the Senate any time, or to Hawaii for a vacation
    .

  212. supers on last ngith aloe should push for hillary. obama will lose the election. he has never had skills in a forum setting. mcain cleaned his clock. like hillary did 23 times. i dont know what else to do about those supers. its sad. a nation sacrficed

  213. lil ole grape Says:
    con men are good at stealing the lingo in order to bamboozle
    ===================

    LOL! And hoodwink!

  214. Regardless the outcome of this election, it is time that all those upset on both sides start today to begin the formation of a strong and vibrant 3rd party.
    We can embrace the issues of the democrats and the republicans that truly show our strengths and our compassion as Americans. We can begin the formation now with all those who are speaking out in protest.
    We have the advantage of the online community and some outstanding organizations and people.
    Once this election is over, as it soon will be, Americans need to stand up once and for all and stop the power grab by the elitists of both controlling parties.
    Surely we have the power. The question is will we use it?
    The most potent image I have ever seen was the young man who was brave enough to stand in front of the military tanks in Tiananmen Square.

  215. Okay, nobody smack me, but am I the only one here who’s starting to feel alittle sorry for Obama?

    For some reason, in my mind , I know see him as much younger than he actually is. Like a highschool all star athlete who’s allowed him fame to go to his head. And who is now being taken down more than a few pegs. It’s the same kind of sympathy I would feel for an arrogant kid who thinks they know everything, and is put in his place by his elders.

    WTF?! I changed my mind…someone PLEASE smack me.

  216. NewMexicoFan Says:
    Some Delegatess (that have switched) saying they will not switch back to HRC, as they are concerned about unity!
    WHAT UNITY. The percentage estimated not to go with O has not only stayed the same, but gotten worse.
    =======

    I’d like to have a cite for that.

    As for ‘unity’, I think that’s code for “I was pressured into switching to BO and they’re still pressuring me.”

  217. As for when Obama went against his party — start with Alice Palmer in 1996.

    She was a ‘beloved elder stateswoman’ in a safe seat, working for his own faction and causes, and helped him get on the ballot. He then knocked her OFF the ballot and ended her career. He got elected — and soon vacated the seat himself (to run for a higher office which he lost).

    So instead of his party having an elder stateswoman in a safe seat and BO in a new seat — the party lost both.

    Hm. Kind of like this year.

  218. Re: BHO throwing GLBT under the bus – “God’s in the mix”, union between a man and a woman & Ellen and Portia’s marriage

    While BHO gets off lecturing others with his sanctimonious self, we need to be reminded of his Chicago-thug lifestyle on the “down low” with his entourage, murdered Donald Young, Rezko, Wright, and (fortunately) whistle-blower Larry Sinclair.

    He is a FRAUD. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. Every answer is more, like Rush says sarcastically, “philosophical” than the last.

    “Philosophical = Horse$#!+.

  219. Idunn said: Keep hearing people freaking out about Bambi saying his most difficult choice was voting against the war in Iraq. He never said that, folks. He said “opposing the war in Iraq”. In my opinions, this is an even lamer response because of that.
    ==========

    Sure doesnt fit very well with his talk about judgement and ‘getting it right the first time’ at 3 am.

    What bets if someone had asked him “What was your easiest decision?” he’d have said the same thing. Anything to mention that 2002 speech.

  220. What bets if someone had asked him “What was your easiest decision?” he’d have said the same thing. Anything to mention that 2002 speech.

    Oh, absolutely.

    McCain jumped at the same opportunity to mention the POW thing too. Early and often, lol! But again, this is about knowing how to play to your audience, not right answers or wrong answers . So, McCain reinforces the fact that he’s a war hero…Obama reinforces that he had a difficult time reaching a moral judgement. NOT GOOD.

  221. I think of bambi like this.

    No matter how much you dress up a turd or spray it with scent, it still smells bad and its still a turd.

  222. JanH Says:
    Holiday or not, Obama probably thought this forum would be a snap for him…no need for preparation because his sleezy smile would be enough.
    ==============

    Well, gosh, he’d gone to church a lot.

  223. or as friend put it so quaintly yesterday.

    Obama is a silent fart, slips into the room unwanted and unnoticed at first but its dangerous and everyone ignores the bad smell around them until finally someone gets the nerve to take on the perpetrator.

  224. NewMexicoFan Says:
    I have to say I am beginning to resent everything that the Dems are doing to heal the party.

    !! LOL !!

    1. Unity parties that only the HRC people put together, and attend. The O people who attend whisper in the corner about don’t let the B anywhere near the ticket.

    2. Healing of the party emotional sessions. Again the HRC people go, but the others if they come sit in the corner and politic.
    ============

    Well, after the sessaions, the PUMAs get together and exchange their screen names and contact info. 🙂

  225. NewMexicoFan Says: That might be Os biggest strategic error. He feels what he says should supersede how he acts or behaves.
    ===============

    Growing up with his liberal white guilt grandparents, it probably did. Sample in the Chi Trib profile aboout knocking Palmer off the ballot: “I think the people got a good state senator.” What bullshit — the people already HAD a much better state senator, Palmer.

    Links to such background material at http://www.ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground

  226. Pay Grade is an old army shrug off responsibility term.Example don’t ask me.I am just a dumb ass pvt.Rank determines pay check.It is the resposibilty Totem Pole of the Chain of command.The big problem is that O’Bama does it all in reverse.It is always a lower level staffer that gets to clean up his mess.If he were all white he would not be where he is stuck today.He truly is a Fence Post Turtle,aWalking Eagle and soon to be unemployed

    By ABM90.

  227. So how will he handle the big decisions? Will he continue to say its above his pay grade while the country goes downhill?

  228. The other i noticed and pissed me off was Obama implied America was evil when he starting going on about wars and sometimes we confront evil with evil. I wonder what he meant. Yet another example of his contempt for the USA.

  229. I wonder, if “it’s above my pay grade,” is another way of saying, “It’s not in my job description.”

    I hope, there are some protestors outside the fundraiser today.

    McCain is not Bush. I remember, when Bush was endorsing McCain in the Rose Garden, I could of sworn, that McCain looked very uncomfortable, and held his distance from Bush.

  230. turndownobama-com

    As I remember that statistic memory is from some of the Rasmassen reporting this last week, where it shows the percentage of Dems voting for McCain has increased.

  231. Obama bombed last night with the evangelicals as expected

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13547

    Minnery responded, that there is conflict in Obama’s position. “You cannot square the circle as he is trying to do. Either you support marriage or you do not. He says one thing. By his actions, he indicates another thing. And that answer…shows up the hypocrisy in his position on that issue.”

    “I think it would be more refreshing for him if he would just be honest about it and say he favors gay marriage,” Minnery continued. “He cannot do that, because the American people do not favor gay marriage. And so, he needs to keep twisting and turning, diving on that issue. And it is hypocritical.”

  232. Let’s face it. This twit thinks that only he can save the world. He honestly thinks he is the second coming of the messiah!

  233. JanH, that is a great analogy of what he will do, nothing except saying its above his pay grade. He doesn’t like to work or make difficult decisions. He wants to be the American Idol President that is on a constant vacation and the government be run by “deep pockets” as in “deep Throat”, how long did it take us to figure out who he was??

  234. Moononpluto, you need to listen to Rev. Manning’s newest videos and it will pretty much tell you why Obama says this nation is evil! I posted them yesterday!

  235. if they had one last night for bambi that lie detector needle would be doing more zig-zags than Amy Winehouse’s coffee table coke lines…..

  236. basil

    I worked for a energy Dept contractor – one of the original 3 National Laboratories…We used the phrase “above my pay grade a lot…because our pay was tied to the Civil Service paygrade levels…

    I commonly used it as a joking response to my director when asked to go to a meeting in his place, to just be a presence, not a real contributor…”but that’s above my pay grade; can I have an extra day travel time?” – always when the meeting was at Berkeley or Livermore, sometimes for a DC trip if not in the summer.

  237. All things considered here the media says Bambi beat Hillary.
    If you look what it took to “supposedly beat her”, you find that Rove and republicans and Donna and the Democrats had to make an evil pact with the devil Soros to do it, and guess what, SHE STILL WON, I am so proud of her, she stood up against all of that and Obama can’t even stand up to McCain! ROTFLMAO!!! Stupid is what Stupid does!!!

  238. Moononpluto

    I’d like to take exception to your statement

    “Gay Pride has gone out the window, very few want to fight anymore ”

    I’d suggest you look at the massive “effort” in CA to fight Prop 8.
    I know many many gays and lesbians that don’t share your view. “Nationwide” we are working hard to prohibit the bigotry of the rightwing

    possibly where you live there isn’t that passion, but all due respect, there is lots of it and much behind the scenes.

  239. You’re shopping for groceries. Quite unrelated to anything you are doing, lots of packages of paper towels slip off the shelf and fall to the floor beside you. Do you:
    1. pick them up and arrange them back on the shelf as best you can?
    2. carefully push your cart around them and continue your shopping?
    3. stand there a second wondering if you should try to put them all back and then go on your way ?
    4. look to see if anyone else saw this and then go on your way? Or if someone else saw the situation would you
    a. be pleased to be seen doing the right thing
    b. be glad to work together with the other person to tidy up the scene?
    5. look for an employee in order to report the incident?

    I think Hillary would do 1. I think McCain would do 1. What do you think BHO would do?

  240. Me? I’d first cuss out the papertowels. Then I’d pick them up, arrange them on the shelf so that every label was facing outward at the exact same angle, fret over the fact that a few of the packages labels weren’t printed perfectly evenly on the front, cuss out the manufacture for allowing such incompetence…and so on and so forth.

  241. Ho ho, I dunn, I can just picture you!
    Is that an interesting personality test? I made that up all by myself.

  242. According to CNN:

    small town rural America (male and female) and suburban women voters are still not going for BO – and it has nothing to do with any issue…it has to do with how Hillary was treated.

    Dandy Candy sais that a nomination,full roll call vote and marches thru the city of Denver will be over-ridden “by Obama’s ‘boffo’ Thursday night spech.”

    What planet is that lady living on now?

  243. Some Amricans, including rural and suburban voters were underwhelmed by the fake Olympic opening ceremonies and will be the same ones underwhelmed by BO’s coronation, if it occurs.

  244. Obama definitely believes his own hype. My theory – he made a pact with certain Republicans who wanted to keep the Clintons out of the White House, and who pledged to give him a huge war chest and cross-over and vote for Obama during the primaries to do just that…then, the Republicans convinced him that they would stay with his during the GE…and BO bought it, hook, line, sinker because he thinks he is The One.

    …which explains all the Conservative Democrats he has speaking at the Convention, and the “Republicans for Obama” that he finally unveiled publicly even though it’s been covert for a long time, and his belief that he can redraw the electoral map.

    BO is completely deluded. The Republicans definitely picked the right ego-monger to bait.

  245. Debbie, no offence intended

    Its just I’m finding more and more, everything that us older ones fought for is not being understood or deemed useless by the younger crowd, they have had it handed to them easier and don’t realise what it is to fight for what we had to give them. We went through pain so they could be able to experience less prejudice than we did. Thats what i meant.

    It just breaks my heart to see other gay people blindly following Obama’s schluck for being cool and hip, without having a clue what they are getting and when we can see exactly where it will lead.

  246. moononpluto – you and Debbie are both right. There is a huge effort by several gay and lesbian organizations to defeat Prop 8 in California, and certainly, they have overflowing volunteers who want to phonebank, though I attribute that to also a mobilized electorate this year.

    but the days of ACT UP and Stonewall and the passion that founded these movements, I think is over. And that’s a statement that can be generalized to lots of political movements – anti-War, etc. People are simply complacent or feel like they’re politically impotent, and the media and material consumption has subdued them. Although I see many gays and lesbians of older generations active on Prop 8, it’s still hard to recruit some of the younger glbt’s.

    I’m also alarmed to see gay people following blindly after Obama and organizations like the HRC pronouncing their support for Obama, even when Hillary was a great friend to them. Gay people have been so persecuted and getting our equal rights has been such a slow process, that we have become more and more one-issue.

  247. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How many Americans know that when Obama had his bloviating screed “The Audacity of Hope” was translated into Indonesian – the title went from “The Audacity of Hope” to “Jihad: From Jakarta To The Whitehouse”.

    laotze.blogspot.com/2007/08/jihad-from-jakarta-to-whitehouse.html

  248. Obama Discusses Energy With Pickens, Deflects Swift Boat QuestionSunday, August 17th, 2008 Associated Press

    The Land of Lincolner sits down with the oilman-turned-environmental-crusader while in Reno Sunday, praises him as a “legendary entrepreneur.”

    http:/ /thepage.time.com/2008/08/17/obama-to-meet-with-pickens-in-reno-sunday/
    Sidesteps a question about Pickens’ role in helping fund the Swift Boat campaign that undermined Kerry’s 2004 presidential bid.

    “You know, he’s got a longer track record than that. One of the things I think we have to unify the country around is having an intelligent energy policy. … That’s what we’re going to be talking about.”

    Sunday night Obama flies to California

  249. …that said, I still think McCain will win, no matter what the glbt community does with their votes.

    the silver lining is this – moderate Republicans who may be more apt to understand equal rights for all are better than the neo-conservatives in power. we never know who will be in power – the point is to always work with the opponent to reach points of understanding which is better than preaching to the choir. I know one influential gay/lesbian non-profit which avoids speaking with Fox News, and that is a mistake.

  250. Moononpluto, First they throw out gay rights, the womens rights, workers rights and so on until we are either a muslim state or a communist state, either one of these are basically the same!

  251. count-the-votes,
    I agree with most of your analysis escept I think BO may have been aware and in on the repub fix from the begining.
    The goal: destroy HRC and then roll over and play dead so the repubs walk off with the GE once again.

    Emjay, con,
    “Above my pay grade” = not in my job description.
    👿
    Grape,
    that’s a pretty good test. Most of the time i’d choose 1 but i confess there have been some real bad days when i did 3 and then felt guilty about it, sometimes so guilty I’d go back to the scene of the crime after the fact and if the paper towels were still on the floor then I’d put them back.
    OTOH, if I was in a really pissy mood I might just say screw it.

  252. I just watched a miniscule part of Hillary being recieved in New Mexico, the crowds were huge and were going crazy for her. She found her way up the stairs and there was Judas, the hug looked somewhat uncomfortable for Judas. It was on FOx, maybe we can look at it again on a youtube video!

  253. Hey there everyone

    I just love coming here and reading all the BRILLIANT and very funny minds here. I’m pooped. Been doing a big painting job all day. And noew we have to prep for a maybe Hurricane Tuesday night-Wednesday

    Emjay, thanks for the Email…..i’ll reply there

  254. Norma, I know what you mean, my dad and I are building 14 bar tables for the new saloon that I am opening on Oct4th, I will now be an entrepnuer. I have never had a sports bar, for that matter any business, but I am so sick of working in healthcare.
    I have been blogging in between coats of lacquer!

  255. I am curious to know if this NM hillary event is funded by her “debt campaign” and/or by Obama.
    Because if she is using the event to pump up this usurper, then I have a big problem with her requests to settle her debt.

    If she is campaigning for a congressperson or senator that might be acceptable but not for BO!!!

    Also I would like to know the “net profit” to actually settle her campaign debt…after the cost of her flight, her staff accompanying her and the cost of security!

    I do want her to settle the debt but not by costly events or doing events for that usurper.


    BTW – I have maxed out for her in the primary!! And I feel I have the right to ask this because I keep getting emails for more support….ie last week a pan handling email asking me join her in Denver when she votes for the fraud!!!

  256. Moon, wasn’t it nice to see Hillary leap up on the stage with that great big smile, she looks so much better now than she did 2 or 3 weeks ago. I did not get to see all of it as the satellite went down for a few minutes, the bots a messing with the satellites now.

  257. basil, Man that would be something if that is what the Rove Republicans and Donna’s Democrat have in store, for him to lay down and play dead so the pukes can retain the Whitehouse. That is an interesting mystery!

  258. Confloyd, perhaps she’s smiling because in a few days, she knows that its all going to shit for Bambi.

  259. Its will be in Trinity, Texas and is very close to Lake Livingston. It will be the quinntessential (?) Texas Bar complete with roughsawn wood. I can’t wait for it to open, I am waiting on my liquer license.

  260. Moononpluto….I just cannot believe this whole thing will go “according to script” for Donna and the DNC. With all this stuff going on, and now B Merry’s new post about the delegation from Africans for Obama (!) and the constant smoking guns that are continually IGNORED by the so called MSM…it all seems too odd.

  261. Yeah a dam has broke in Arizona, I hope everyone is ok.

    Well Senator McCain you better get sharpish to your home state.

  262. turndown, THis man is scary with all his foriegn connections, where the hell are the superdelegates?? Can they read??? They better be paying attention!!!

  263. basil9 Says:
    count-the-votes,
    I agree with most of your analysis escept I think BO may have been aware and in on the repub fix from the begining.
    The goal: destroy HRC and then roll over and play dead so the repubs walk off with the GE once again
    ==============

    Where would that leave Obama’s future? He is crazy to become President. He wouldn’t agree to become the McGovern of 2008.

    Actually if he’s studied the polls and sees he’s likely to lose to McCain, then maybe he agreed to the convention vote so he can throw the nomination to HIllary and get himself out of the line of fire. 🙂

    Clinton/Obama would be a win/win for Obama. If Clinton wins in Nov, he’s got an easy job and a clear shot in 2016. If she loses, he gets to say nya nya and pick up the pieces.

  264. CountTheVotes Says:
    the silver lining is this – moderate Republicans who may be more apt to understand equal rights for all are better than the neo-conservatives in power.
    =============

    Right. By voting McCain we’re encouraging the moderate side of the GOP.

    As well as discouraging the Brazile/Pelosi side of the DEms. One vote improves both parties!

  265. con,
    It’s ok.

    Evacuations have been underway since this morning as the break was expected.

    Seems like it’s in havasupai (i think that’s the correct spelling) territory.

  266. turn-down,

    I hear what you’re saying but IMHO there’s too much synchronicity going on.

    BO could have been promised something bigger than the presidency.

    I just don’t trust him, the DNC, the dems, brazile, pooplosi.

  267. Jesus, McCain is really getting his opportunities the last week for looking Presidential.

    A huge foreign crisis and bambi goes missing in action.
    A faith based event that Obama screws up badly.
    A natural disaster right in his home state.

    Whats next. Cheney drops and Bushs makes him VP for the last 6 months.

  268. Emjay Says:
    According to CNN:
    small town rural America (male and female) and suburban women voters are still not going for BO – and it has nothing to do with any issue…it has to do with how Hillary was treated.
    ==============

    Yep. Same pattern as NH.

    Do you have a cite handy for the CNN story? I’ve got a diary at clintondems.com about 9 million Hil’s agiasnt Obama, polls holding steady or soem such title.

  269. I don’t think Bambi screwed up badly. But he did come across as “not one of them”. Par for the course, I’d say.

  270. lil ole grape Says: You’re shopping for r groceries. Quite unrelated to anything you are doing, lots of packages of paper towels slip off the shelf and fall to the floor beside you. Do you:
    1. pick them up and arrange them back on the shelf as best you can?
    I think Hillary would do 1. I think McCain would do 1. What do you think BHO would do?
    ===============

    He’d announce a major speech blaming NAFTA.

  271. Basil 9, the theory of BO rolling over for the Republicans could be answered by maybe they are blackmailing him, you know he has a lot to hide!
    Those freaking Republicans on Fox are saying they are watching just how sincere Hillary is in turning over her votes and supporting Obama, the freaking jokers are scared to death of Hillary!

  272. JanH Says:
    Let’s face it. This twit thinks that only he can save the world. He honestly thinks he is the second coming of the messiah!
    ========

    That fits with his background, Alinsky, etc. He’s SAID that he just sees political office as a different way to be a ‘community organizer’.

    See Alinsky article at ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground and also this story by a real community organizer at windycity:

    h t t p : / / windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway#comment-1539

    Very informative article about ‘community organizing’ in Chicago!

    Obama’s “community organizer” phase was about political power, not soup kitchens

    But there is nothing touchy or feely about community organizing. It
    has more in common with the brutal contact sport of Chicago politics
    than it does with any kind of charitable act, such as serving food to
    homeless people. And like the neon-green relish that garnishes a Gold
    Coast dog, community organizing is pure Chicago.

  273. Does anyone here remember an article posted back in January or February…. a VERY LONG article about how Rove had been quite involved in creating the candidates for BOTH parties this time. That Obama was, is, in fact, the “republican plant”. The theory was simply total government control of the only party that really matters anymore – that of globalization and big business. The scheme was to only “allow a winner” who would tow the line no matter which side of the aisle they occupied. I do believe that the Pelosi’s of the world, and Dean, et al, are so NOT beholdin to the Constitutional government that they easily went this route. Assured power for them, no matter what.

    The other thing is, as we have seen, these folks would rather destroy the country than have a Clinton back in the White House.

    It is OUR responsibility as citizens to make sure these people are routed no matter what. Democracy, as we know, is a fragile thing, and GW took every advantage of the terrorist fear to stomp on it. The way we are going, the Democrats(?) are making GW look like a Constintutionalist

  274. JanH Says:
    Let’s face it. This twit thinks that only he can save the world. He honestly thinks he is the second coming of the messiah!
    ========

    That fits with his background, Alinsky, etc. He’s SAID that he just sees political office as a different way to be a ‘community organizer’. — Good heavens, what a thought. As US CIC, he could do a lot of bullying in the rest of the world….

    See Alinsky article at ironmyvote.com/#obamabackground and also this story by a real community organizer at windycity:

    h t t p : / / windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway#comment-1539

    Very informative article about ‘community organizing’ in Chicago!

    Obama’s “community organizer” phase was about political power, not soup kitchens

    But there is nothing touchy or feely about community organizing. It
    has more in common with the brutal contact sport of Chicago politics
    than it does with any kind of charitable act, such as serving food to
    homeless people. And like the neon-green relish that garnishes a Gold
    Coast dog, community organizing is pure Chicago.

  275. I just read an article from TexasDarlin’s site, apparently Moveon.org is laundrying campaign donations for Obama!

  276. From Noquarter:

    “The campaign also announced Saturday that the upcoming Democratic National Convention would have a strong religious flavor, with “faith caucus meetings” to discuss religious voters’ concerns and daily invocations and benedictions from national faith leaders. The list includes Joel Hunter, a prominent Republican pastor from an evangelical Florida church; a Greek Orthodox archbishop; a Roman Catholic nun from Cleveland; and a Colorado couple who are both Methodist ministers.

    Topics of the faith caucus meetings include “How an Obama Administration Will Engage People of Faith”; “Moral Values Issues Abroad”; and “Getting Out the Faith Vote.”

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/17/obamas-christian-journey/#more-4224

    Isn’t this going too far???

  277. Birdgal, Totally disgusting, he is a muslim, why can’t people see this. His pastor is a muslim and the church takes in Christians and Muslims. THis man will be terrible for this country, the superdelegates better pull their head out of their butts and start reading about the KING!

  278. Since when did The democratic party become the party for religious shit.

    I always thought a good part of the dem party was that shit was kept out. He’s going all out kumbayah.

    That might just turn off millions off voters in one go.

  279. It certainly turns me off, but I was turned off much earlier. Remember that big religious meeting he had in Chicago, a couple of months ago? This is probably the result of it.

  280. Moononpluto and birdgal, So now do you believe that somehow the Republicans have infiltrated our party. I am sure there are many Christian democrats, we all believe in what the constitution says, separation of church and state.
    Rove’s republicans and Donna’s democrats got together to get the Clinton’s out. Well we will see soon if mission was accomplished!

  281. I wonder, if the Republicans will have religious caucuses: “How an McCain Administration Will Engage People of Faith”; “Moral Values Issues Abroad”; and “Getting Out the Faith Vote.”

    What the heck are “Moral Values Issues Abroad?”

  282. What the heck are “Moral Values Issues Abroad?”

    I guess how we can impose our moral values on people abroad we don’t like, is that what they mean. Is this the crusades now?

  283. BO is moving further right of McCain. And people say, don’t vote for McCain because of conservatism. The undemocratic party is evolving into the Republican party.

  284. This is downright creepie if you ask me.
    What happened to separation of church and state?
    Last thing I want is to see a political convention turned into a 21st century Elmer Gantry extravaganza.
    I want foreign and domestic policy expertise in politicians, not religious
    sermons.
    I have my own religion and it’s a religion of one. Organized religion is the root of most of the world’s problems.
    The overuse of the word ‘faith’ makes me feel queasy. It’s another one of those code words everyone flings around without there ever being a consensus abpout what the heck it means but if your definition doesn’t match that of the one doing the flinging you’re in danger of being labeled heretical.
    I am embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted by this process.

  285. There is nothing wrong with being Muslim, as long as you don’t belong to a hate filled church that hates white people, america and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

  286. I can see the headlines now…

    Obama goes down as worst president in history… even worse that Nixon, Bush…

  287. as long as you don’t belong to a hate filled church that hates white people, america and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Agreed. But that hate filled church was a christian church, not a mosque. Plenty of hate to go around in the religious world I guess.

  288. Yesterday, whether you liked it or not, you knew where McCain stood. He was very firm and assured.

    O, fresh off of vacation, acted like these questions were totally out of the Blue. He did not take firms stands and immediately we got the excuse he was tired (tired of what).

    AMERCIA MUST DETERMINE WHO THEY WANT TO LEAD, AND WHETHER THEIR VOTE COUNTS. SDs I GUESS I REALLY DON’T CARE WHAT YOU DO AT THIS POINT, AS I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOWS WHAT TO DO. I HAVE MORE CONFIDIANCE IN THEM, THAN I DO IN YOU.

    I own my vote.

  289. (This is a bit long.)
    Food for thought.

    One of the main reasons I oppose Obama is his implicit support for sharia law which his cousin Odinga plans to impose if he assumes the presidency of Kenya.

    I have read quite a bit about sharia law, FGM and women is Islamic society. Any man who ignores the total repression of women under that system is not fit to lead the US.

    “Shariah law authorities have the power to dictate Shariah compliance as deemed by “scholarly consensus” on matters of finance, family, penal law, apostasy, and war.”
    Examples of authoritarian Shariah law include:
    requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
    beating of disobedient woman and girls;
    execution of homosexuals;
    engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
    the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
    honor killings of those, principally women, who have dishonored the family;
    death to apostate Muslims who chose to leave Islam;
    inferior status of non-Muslims, and capital punishment for those “slander Islam.

    “Islamists are attempting to impose Shariah Compliant Finance (SCF) on Western institutions to use our own financial strengths against us. The most serious problem with SCF is that it legitimates and institutionalizes Shariah law (i.e., Islamic law), a theo-political- legal doctrine violently opposed to Western values. With $1 -$2 trillion petrodollars annually looking for an investment home, blind exuberance is driving financial institutions to adopt SCF, without even a minimal baseline for legal compliance. This willful blindness, and lack of both transparency and due diligence may cause SCF to be the next sub-prime crisis, but this time with deadly consequences.”
    Shariah Compliant Banks
    Alpha Natural ResourcesAsset Acceptance Capital Corporation
    Aviva Plc
    AXA
    Barclays PLC
    BNP Paribas Group
    Citibank, N.A.
    Credit Agricole, S.A.
    Deutsche Bank AG
    Dow Jones & Company Inc.
    Equity Insurance Group Limited
    Goldman Sachs Group
    HBOS plc
    HSBC Holdings plc
    INVESCO Perpetual
    Julius Baer Group
    Maersk Logistics
    Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
    Morgan Stanley
    NYSE Euronext
    Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Singapore Power

  290. Another bad poll for Bambi in Ohio. Remember PPP is a democratic polling firm, they gave bambi a 10% lead just one month ago in Ohio. Now even PPP shows they’re tied. Their analysis suggests PUMAs are striking!!
    I really don’t believe bambi has a chance in Ohio/FL. He has to win CO or VA….
    ———————-

    Raleigh, N.C. – John McCain has pulled even with Barack Obama in Ohio, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling. Obama had led in PPP’s June and July polls of the state. It’s 45-45 with 10% undecided.

    One factor causing Obama problems is that he’s not doing as good a job as McCain of getting folks in his party to vote for him. While McCain leads 89-7 among Republicans, Obama’s lead is a narrower 75-17 among Democrats. Obama has the 45-28 edge with independent voters.

    The Democrats neglecting to choose Obama are disproportionately white, female, and middle aged, an indication that it could be former supporters of Hillary Clinton who are holding out.

    “Ohio is one state, along with Pennsylvania and Michigan, where Barack Obama would probably be well served by some joint appearances with the Clintons,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Democrats have a party id advantage in Ohio but that won’t do much for them unless the voters in their party actually vote for their nominee.”

    Obama leads with women and voters under 45 while McCain leads with men and older voters. McCain is up 49-38 with white voters and Obama is up 80-18 with blacks.

    PPP surveyed 950 likely voters from August 12th to 14th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.2%.

  291. Tinity United Church of “Christ” may have the word Christ in it, but I fail to see ANYTHING remotely Christian about this front for the Nation of Islam. Sadly, in this case, Christ is only a word. The word Babylon comes to mind however, when thinking about the hate, immorality associated with TUCC.

  292. Does the LGBT community know about (Obama’s cousin) Odinga’s Shariah laws that promotes execution of homosexuals? Does Hollywood know this?

  293. Idunn, That Christian church’s pastor was a muslim, he has been masquerading as a muslim. THe church accepts both Christians and Muslims, so the hate is real and is fed by the Muslim pastor and the Muslim congregation!

  294. KOSTNER

    What the poll analysis fails to realize is this has gone beyond Hillary. She was to be our representative, because she is DXX good. But we will not vote for O based on HRCs appearance with O or HRC asking us to.

    These vintage women understand here, that this is not just HRC, it is how women were treated, how they have been held back for ever, how they are expected to support an inferior candidate because the male dominated party has told them to.

    Frankly, we don’t have to, and we have draw a line in the sand. If HRC is not the candidate, we will vote to McCain.

    Our stand is nothing compared to being thrown in jail, force fed, beaten for days, even weeks, and even being told we are insane.

    Frankly, the DNC did not know who there were messing with.

  295. Basil9, Is one of those banks Invesco, is that somehow connected to the invesco field where the coronation is taking place?? If so, how much are we paying for the use of that field?

  296. NewMexicoFan,

    do u still have account on mydd? can you post that OH poll? I’d love to see obamabots press the panic button just for fun.

    I got banned on mydd.

  297. Did you see the whiz kid (on Fox today) who combines all the statistics available into his own “think tank” computer, weighing more reliable polls heavier, yet taking every imaginable demographic info/data into account?

    It’s called fivethirtyeight.com That’s the number of electoral votes.

    He states BHO will win by 5 electoral votes as things stand right now. He was correct in predicting HRC winning IN by one vote and other tight numbers as well. Sooooo……….we need to MAKE sure the swing states go for McCain, as well as MI, PA, OH, CO, NV, and others.

    Think I’ll be checking out that site often.

  298. I have to add, I love all this analysis. How often are these people right. They get paid 6 figures, and you have to wonder how often they are right. Your local weather man is probably better.

    So why do they keep their jobs, and why do people listen. In my former job, I had goals that said I had to perform at a 100% level, and I did not get paid 6 figures. Funny, I thought meeting those goals were important.

    The national news media does not, or a bunch of them would have lost their jobs a long time ago.

  299. Curiosity, WE need to find out what connection this kid has to Chicago/Soros to get that kind of information.
    He is on the inside somewhere, where all the cheating is going on!

  300. IDUNN says:

    For some reason, in my mind , I know see him as much younger than he actually is. Like a highschool all star athlete who’s allowed him fame to go to his head. And who is now being taken down more than a few pegs. It’s the same kind of sympathy I would feel for an arrogant kid who thinks they know everything, and is put in his place by his elders.

    *************************************************

    IDUNN, i agree with your observation of obama appearing so young…and like a high school or college all star athlete who has let his fame and stardom go to his head…he believes his own PR…he walks like an athlete and talks almost like a punk sometimes…too flippant…a little too casual for someone running for such a serious and important office…the presidency…

    it is becoming more obvious to others that he ‘ain’t all that’…

    he is too slick…he just is not connecting on more than a surface level…

    …the things the Dem really have to start to worry about now…is that those millions who plan on just staying home…will not only not be voting for obama, but all the Dems down the ticket won’t be getting their vote either…

    …the Dems are beginning to stall…

  301. More on Obama and Odinga and Sharia.

    “Obama and Odinga”

    Rumors always abound, but this well documented article by Paula Abeles is a treasure of truth, and one that everybody should see.(It’s a pdf file and takes 2 min to load). It addresses the startling danger to our national security that lies behind the poor judgment and questionable associations that plague Barack Obama wherever he goes.

    A brief synopsis follows. The full article with full documentation
    and pictures can be found at http://www.realdemocratsusa.org/
    It is WELL worth the read, and, more disturbingly still, raises the
    question as to why mainstream media has not been more forth-
    coming in their coverage despite articles previously published
    in the N.Y. Times, London Times and USA Today.

    Although the Obama camp, as with so many things, has been
    less than forthcoming about the relationship between Barack
    Obama and Rail Odinga, the political affiliation between their
    fathers, both of the Luo tribe, is established. Contrary to
    Barack Obama’s assertion that his father was a poor goat herder
    from Kenya, he came from a politically privileged, well connected
    family where he was closely associated with Rail Odinga’s father.

    What we do know about Rail Odinga is that he was reportedly set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Qaddafi and listed in the infamous “Golden Chain” a list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors. And, after coming to power, he signed an agreement with Islamic extremists in Kenya, in which he agreed to institute Islamic law [with Sharia courts for family law] in exchange for their support, thereby extinguishing the liberties and even the lives of millions of Christian Kenyan women including Obama’s sisters, and establishing a safe haven for terrorists in Kenya.

    Further, Odinga made opposition to the Kenyan government’s crackdown on Al Qaeda supporters a cornerstone of his campaign. After Odinga took office, Al Qaeda cells that blew up embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were known to have been recruited from mosques near Kenyan beaches.

    In what appeared to be a coordinated strategy from the top, a core of whom called themselves, ‘The Taliban,’, Odinga’s Luo supporters engaged in what US envoy Jendayi Frazier called “clear ethnic cleansing” of the Kikuyu opposition, burning Christian women and children alive in churches they had fled to for sanctuary.

    Odinga supporters went on a rampage, burning, raping and killing everyone in their path, recreating the horror of the bloody Mau-Mau uprising of the 1950s where thousands were killed and their property taken.

    What does this mean to the American people and, indeed the world?

    Well, for one thing, Obama has not attempted to distance himself from Odinga, with whom he admitted speaking by phone during the primary. On the contrary, he endorsed and campaigned for Odinga, who is corrupt, ruthless and has financial ties to terrorists.

    Further, it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris worked gratis for Odinga’s campaign, according to Odinga, at the “request of a mutual friend,” purported to be Obama.

    In any case, the two campaigns share remarkable similarities, including ties to foreign money, oil and banking interests and intimidation tactics, but perhaps most disturbingly, the use of the campaign phrases, “It is Our Time” by Obama supporters and “It is Our Turn” by Odinga’s Luos, who claimed that no matter what, they were going to take power.

    Thus far, about 7,000 have lost their lives and 250,000 have been displaced. Human Rights Watch claims that they have evidence that Odinga leaders actively fomented violence that included roaming bands of machete wielding youths.

    Senator Obama’s actions, decried by both the U.S. State Department and the former Kenyan government, were in direct opposition to the efforts and interests of both the Kenyan Christian population and U.S. National Security.

    Senator Obama’s efforts on Odinga’s behalf, despite his ties to Al Qaeda and Qaddafi, can only be construed as extremely poor judgment, be they the result of a frightening loyalty or merely that of inexperience and naiveté. Either way, it is dangerous and no one can hope to really know what lies behind Obama’s true intentions.

  302. “Obama and Odinga”

    Rumors always abound, but this well documented article by Paula Abeles is a treasure of truth, and one that everybody should see.(It’s a pdf file and takes 2 min to load). It addresses the startling danger to our national security that lies behind the poor judgment and questionable associations that plague Barack Obama wherever he goes.

    A brief synopsis follows. The full article with full documentation
    and pictures can be found at http://www.realdemocratsusa.org/
    It is WELL worth the read, and, more disturbingly still, raises the
    question as to why mainstream media has not been more forth-
    coming in their coverage despite articles previously published
    in the N.Y. Times, London Times and USA Today.

    Although the Obama camp, as with so many things, has been
    less than forthcoming about the relationship between Barack
    Obama and Rail Odinga, the political affiliation between their
    fathers, both of the Luo tribe, is established. Contrary to
    Barack Obama’s assertion that his father was a poor goat herder
    from Kenya, he came from a politically privileged, well connected
    family where he was closely associated with Rail Odinga’s father.

    What we do know about Rail Odinga is that he was reportedly set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Qaddafi and listed in the infamous “Golden Chain” a list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors. And, after coming to power, he signed an agreement with Islamic extremists in Kenya, in which he agreed to institute Islamic law [with Sharia courts for family law] in exchange for their support, thereby extinguishing the liberties and even the lives of millions of Christian Kenyan women including Obama’s sisters, and establishing a safe haven for terrorists in Kenya.

    Further, Odinga made opposition to the Kenyan government’s crackdown on Al Qaeda supporters a cornerstone of his campaign. After Odinga took office, Al Qaeda cells that blew up embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were known to have been recruited from mosques near Kenyan beaches.

    In what appeared to be a coordinated strategy from the top, a core of whom called themselves, ‘The Taliban,’, Odinga’s Luo supporters engaged in what US envoy Jendayi Frazier called “clear ethnic cleansing” of the Kikuyu opposition, burning Christian women and children alive in churches they had fled to for sanctuary.

    Odinga supporters went on a rampage, burning, raping and killing everyone in their path, recreating the horror of the bloody Mau-Mau uprising of the 1950s where thousands were killed and their property taken.

    What does this mean to the American people and, indeed the world?

    Well, for one thing, Obama has not attempted to distance himself from Odinga, with whom he admitted speaking by phone during the primary. On the contrary, he endorsed and campaigned for Odinga, who is corrupt, ruthless and has financial ties to terrorists.

    Further, it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris worked gratis for Odinga’s campaign, according to Odinga, at the “request of a mutual friend,” purported to be Obama.

    In any case, the two campaigns share remarkable similarities, including ties to foreign money, oil and banking interests and intimidation tactics, but perhaps most disturbingly, the use of the campaign phrases, “It is Our Time” by Obama supporters and “It is Our Turn” by Odinga’s Luos, who claimed that no matter what, they were going to take power.

    Thus far, about 7,000 have lost their lives and 250,000 have been displaced. Human Rights Watch claims that they have evidence that Odinga leaders actively fomented violence that included roaming bands of machete wielding youths.

    Senator Obama’s actions, decried by both the U.S. State Department and the former Kenyan government, were in direct opposition to the efforts and interests of both the Kenyan Christian population and U.S. National Security.

    Senator Obama’s efforts on Odinga’s behalf, despite his ties to Al Qaeda and Qaddafi, can only be construed as extremely poor judgment, be they the result of a frightening loyalty or merely that of inexperience and naiveté. Either way, it is dangerous and no one can hope to really know what lies behind Obama’s true intentions.

  303. Just curious…

    If we compare all we have learned about Obama, how does he compare to what Nixon did? Which is worse? Which would be more impeachable?

  304. One factor causing Obama problems is that he’s not doing as good a job as McCain of getting folks in his party to vote for him. While McCain leads 89-7 among Republicans, Obama’s lead is a narrower 75-17 among Democrats. Obama has the 45-28 edge with independent voters.
    ******************************************************
    The problem with Obama is that he can’t expand the base and what he does instead is have his surrogates talk for him…that show WEAK LEADERSHIP.

    McCain is going out and earning our votes, he is putting himself out first.

  305. kostner Says:
    August 17th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    Another bad poll for Bambi in Ohio.
    =============

    I think the great news is that Hil’s are holding steady agaisnt Obama. I’ve got a diary about this at clintondems.com comparing three differet polls that all say their own figures are steady for the last two months.

    Their reports differ beween companies becasue, amogn other things, Opoinion Reserach included those who said they would protest by staying home, not just those who plan to vote for McCain.

    In June it was 4 million staying home and 3 million voting for McCain, total 7 million. In July the total was 9 million, I hven’t seen the breakdown.

  306. I enjoy your messages although I don’t agree with all. I am wondering if any one here happened to find the blog from Puma yesterday.(Sat.) in regard to a Leak from the Obama team that was not to be found. I will give you the site. I was unable to open: nosheepleshere.blogspot.com/2008/08/axelrod-memo-to-staffers-weve-got-html. Related to OB and dictators and more of course. If you find this please post.

    I don’t understand why Hillary is going to vote for Obama at the convention?. No, I don’t think she will be a VP pick.

    I have said this before. My gut feeling is that OB really doesn’t want to be president. Look how many times he is running and avoiding. It is his party and their billions who have selected him and are putting him in office, why people are not seeing this coming?. All the allegations of his criminal associates, muslim associates,birth record etc has no one of authority in the US has taken expected action such as our FBI to stop him from running for president. Gee–is not there anyone in authority who gives a darn about our country? People don’t seem to be that serious about what all this means and what our country might not be. We are taking freedom for granted or we might of put more force to remove him from running. Why should the DNC, Obama camp become such a threat that we have a questionable murder and one of our hillary villagers was assulted in NJ yesterday while wearing a Hillary T-shirt on the street. I have not worn mind due to such fear. I am only guessing who might be a VP if Obama becomes a candidate is no one we know in our political arena, it might be one of his associates from his own party. Think about it. Would Obama be able to get along with a VP that is not a member of his party? May I suggest to all our wonderful and fun blogging sites to drop the jokes and laughs, we all need to join together in order to put pressure to stop Obama from running for president. I am happy to work with you. Where could be start? I live in Florida. Also, The delegates who refuse to support Hillary should be reminded of the taxes they will pay when Obama becomes president. How would they like that? Maybe there will be fewer elections as Obama made mention of a while back that I can not forget.

  307. turndownobama

    This has to be quick

    already did it once and it vaporized.

    it was chatty too. Mosquitoes already chewing

    c-span repeats all sunday talk shows on their radio channel from 11-4 on sundays. if i have a signal and a computer I listen to all of them and catch up on the blogs at same time.

    If I don’t, then my washing and houscleaning gets done.

    They repeat it all over again taring either now or in an hour.

    go to c-span main page, click schedules, radio, choose windows media or realplayer and voila!

    gotta go- hope you get acitation out of it- or maybe from CNN site.

  308. Basil: “Organized religion is the root of most of the world’s problems.”
    AMEN! That ought to be a bumper sticker.

    Harriet Brinker says: “May I suggest to all our wonderful and fun blogging sites to drop the jokes and laughs, we all need to join together in order to put pressure to stop Obama from running for president.”

    Dear Harriet Brinker, “admin” of Hillaryis44 has been working since last April to expose that fraudulent candidate. All the members of Just Say No Deal and PUMA are doing all they can to prevent this man from becoming POTUS. If you have any concrete suggestions as to what can be done that we are not doing, please let us know. But first I think you might want to find out just what people have been doing and are still trying to do. Meanwhile, when you’ve been worrying and working against frustrating odds, it’s important to keep a lively sense of humor or go totally bonkers. So, start printing out all you are learning about the fraud and passing that info out to those in your neighborhood. Yes,you’ll be insulted, screamed at, called names – hey, we’ve all been there! – but it is important for bloggers to keep on posting all the data they can learn becaue nearly half of the American public is now getting their news on the blogs. These guys on 44 and the admin of 44 are doing great work – they’ve earned their jokes and laughs.

  309. Basil: “Organized religion is the root of most of the world’s problems.”

    My father used to tell me that.

  310. lil ole grape

    I did not realized the nearly half of American Public is now getting their news on the blogs! Although I have felt that the media has been turned off by a lot of people, as they do not trust them.

    What I like about big pink is they refer you to the site, and give you a link so you can check the information for yourself, and they clarify information, or ask for source or clarification.

    In other words, they police the site. I trust the blogs before I trust the media.

    I also see a lot of advertising going to the blogs. Newspapers are folding, and I think media is hurting.

    As pointed out here, we are working for nothing.

  311. Norma

    It maybe at http://www.the city edition.com. They have a pretty good search mechanism and keep a close eye on Rovian antics. Go all the way back to last Sept…They had his number even then and he was telegraphing all sorts of crap..

    They also print or reprint some of his stuff straight out of the garbage dump.

  312. Norma, are you referring to that artical about the communications between ROve and Brazile? I think I have that article.

  313. The Donna Brazile – Karl Rove Connection
    In order to “save” the Democratic Party, Brazile resolved back in 2003 that she might have to destroy it first. And who better to help her in this lofty pursuit than her new best friend, the man neoconservatives call “The Architect”.
    July 24, 2008 by Rosemary Regello editor@thecityedition.com

  314. NMF “I did not realized that nearly half of American Public is now getting their news on the blogs!”
    ———————-
    I forget where I read that…week or so ago, a Brit paper said 44% — and then a few days later one of the US MSM published a higher figure, something like 46 or 48 — both sources were quoting the same study — sorry I can’t be more specific

  315. harriet brinker,

    If this is the claimed memo, people at clintondems.com think it’s a joke, including their admin.
    h t t p : / / nosheepleshere.blogspot.com/2008/08/axelrod-memo-to-staffers-weve-got.html

  316. lil ole grape, that just makes me sick, I feel like a woman without a country here, I hate the democrats and well as the nasty republicans. What a mess this democracy is in!

  317. Well folks I am off to bed this week should be very interesting, especially as we get closer to the end of it. Hopefully the PUMA’s raised all the money they needed today, because I hope they all go to Denver and make a difference in the outcome of this nomination. See you all in the morning!

  318. turndownobama

    should have been more specfic…it was at the end of c-span’s audio broadcast of the CNN sunday talk show…it is always last.

    The commentary or news item, whatever it was, was given by the man whom I assume to be the moderator.

    It’s all being repeated now, in any cas.

  319. I love it. McCAIN CAMP NOT TAKING ANY CRAP.

    McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis asked Sunday for a meeting with Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, to protest what the campaign called signs that the network is “abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race.”

    Here is the text of the letter:

    August 17, 2008
    Mr. Steve Capus
    President, NBC News
    30 Rockefeller Plaza
    New York, NY 10112

    Steve:

    We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to undercut John McCain.

    Nowhere was this more evident than with NBC chief correspondent Andrea Mitchell’s comments on “Meet the Press” this morning. In analyzing last night’s presidential forum at Saddleback Church, Mitchell expressed the Obama campaign spin that John McCain could only have done so well last night because he “may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.” Here are Andrea Mitchell’s comments in full:

    Mitchell: “The Obama people must feel that he didn’t do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because what they are putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well-prepared.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/17/08)

    Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night’s forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of “Meet the Press” viewers with no indication that 1.) There’s not one shred of evidence that it’s true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren’s idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, “I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;” 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.

    Indeed, instead of taking a critical journalistic approach to this spin, Andrea Mitchell did what has become a pattern for her of simply repeating Obama campaign talking points.

    This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign’s spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama’s segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President…..

    We are concerned that your News Division is following MSNBC’s lead in abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race. We would like to request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss our deep concerns about the news standards and level of objectivity at NBC.

    Sincerely,

    Rick Davis
    Campaign Manager
    John McCain 2008

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808

  320. ABM 90: Iraq Training Manual (Marines)

    1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
    >
    > 2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
    >
    > 3. Have a plan.
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    > 4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won’t work.
    >
    > 5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet..
    >
    > 6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a ‘4.’
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    > 7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life isexpensive.
    >
    > 8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral& diagonal preferred.)
    >
    > 9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
    >
    > 10… Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
    >
    > 11… Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose..

  321. Texan: very intelligent move. Capus is a weak sister. He backs water fast. We saw it with NOW. What ya gotta do is get in his face. McCain is doing it right.

    Think I will send him a copy of my civil complaint. Here are some relevant excerpts re. MSNBC

    5. Fraud On The American People: During the 2008 Democratic Primary Big Media set out to destroy Hillary Clinton both as a candidate and as a person. The first step in their strategy was to perpetrate a fraud on the American People by playing the race card against her, swift boating her and engaging in character assassination. They conspired with the Obama campaign and the DNC to do so.

    a. race card: False claims of racism are the last bastion of scoundrels. Clearly, at MSNBC there is no shortage of scoundrels. When Hillary scored an upset victory in New Hampshire pundit Chuck Todd of Politico presented the Obama campaign spin that this was due to the “Bradley Effect” which is to say latent racism of white voters. Of course he had no hard evidence to support this terrible accusation. Never one to miss a hand-off pundit Eugene Robinson echoed the same sentiment, then backed off and then wrote a column affirming it. Meanwhile, CNN pundit and DNC member Donna Brazille twisted Bill Clinton’s comparison of the Jesse Jackson Sr. candidacy and his characterization of Obama’s Iraq position into a racial slur. In effect, she accused the most pro-African American President in history of being a racist. And they provided a forum for Jesse Jackson Jr. and Doug Wilder to make racist allegations and predict violent repercussions in Denver if Obama is not the nominee. This is no different than yelling fire in a crowded theater.

    b. swift boating: Is defined as an ad hominem attack or smear campaign which is untrue and is intended to destroy the political credibility of a candidate. That is precisely what Big Media did to Hillary Clinton when she met with the editorial board of the Argus Leader in South Dakota, and cited the date of the assassination of Robert Kennedy in response to a question on why Big Media was trying to drive her out of the race. Whereupon MSNBC pundit Keith Olberman pounced on the statement, accused Hillary of wanting Obama assassinated and thereby swiftboated her. Obama people then circulated the Olberman tape to journalists across the country. Michael Goodwin of the New York Daily News accused Hillary of evil reasons for staying in the race and wrote articles with hysterical headlines which screamed “Killer Gaff” and “Get Out!” Hillary issued an immediate apology for any misinterpretation, Robert Kennedy’s son stated no one should take offense and the Argus Leader editorial board defended it as well. Nevertheless, MSNBC and CNN harped on it for three days. This was a staged media event designed to force Hillary out of the race. The further motive was to prove she is a bad person—which she most certainly is not. On the morning of the South Dakota primary Hillary was swift boated again. In this case, the culprit was Associated Press reporter Beth Fouhey, who published a false report that Hillary would drop out that evening. The transparent motive was to suppress voter turn-out since the polls in South Dakota were moving in Hillary’s favor. The final irony is that after Hillary suspended her candidacy Fouhey wrote a piece claiming that the presidential race had grown dull and she wished Hillary were back in it. Amazing.

    c. character assassination: Big Media parsed every word that Hillary spoke for some obscure negative connotation. When she made a speech about Bosnia and stated that she landed in a war zone (which was true), there was small arms fire (which was true in the surrounding Hills), and they had to run for cover (which was not accurate). So she embellished on a story to make a point. Meanwhile, Obama changed his story nine times on whether he heard his spiritual advisor utter racist statements. Her statement was immaterial whereas his was highly material. Yet Big Media labeled her a liar for three solid days, whereas they ignored his multiple deceptions. Moreover, they demanded that Hillary apologize for voting in favor of the Iraq Resolution even though many of them had supported it themselves at the time. When she suspended her campaign MSNBC cartoonist Daryn Kagen produced a cartoon of Hillary as an ugly dragon eyes closed tongue hanging out slain by Obama who is depicted as a smiling St. Christopher. Another media outlet produced a cartoon of Hillary kneeling before Obama with both arms cut off and him standing over her with a sword at parade rest again smiling with caption just a flesh wound.

    6. Discrimination Based On Gender: During the 2008 Democratic Primary Big Media set out to destroy Hillary Clinton both as a candidate and as a person. The second step in their strategy was to engage in a pattern and practice of sexism against her. Once again, they conspired with the Obama campaign and the DNC to do so.

    a. sexist attacks: From 2007 to early 2008 MSNBC pundit Chris Matthews launched a steady barrage of sexist attacks against presidential candidate and US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. The record is replete with examples, but in one series of tirades he called her a witch, a castrator, and a she-devil. When he finally got the vaudeville hook they assigned the role of attacking Hillary to another pundit Keith Olberman, a known degenerate. Thus, it wasn’t long before Olberman was saying naughty things like someone should take Hillary into a room and only one come out, i.e. physically beat her into quitting the race. Not to be outdone, the village idiot David Shuster accused Hillary and Bill of pimping out Chelsie. When Hillary wrote a letter to MSNBC protesting this attack on her daughter, he received a two week suspension and network staffers expressed sympathy for him. What this shows is that MSNBC has a culture of misogyny.

    b. ratification: there is no question that this pattern of sexism was known, condoned and promoted by MSNBC as a business strategy. They cannot deny knowledge of the problem because thousands of protest letters were sent to their designated flack catchers Steve Capus (Sr. Vice President, MSNBC) and Phil Griffin (Senior Vice President, NBC). I myself wrote 5 letters on the subject, one of them to the General Counsel. The National Organization for Women organized a protest against MSNBC to no particular avail. Nor can they deny this was a business strategy, because it is their job to know what is being said on their network, yet pundits continued to attack Hillary despite the public outcry. Thus, it is amazing that Griffin would deny that there was a problem with sexism at msnbc as he did recently. It is easy enough to show that he is a liar and is merely following marching orders.

    8. Remedy:

    c. just compensation: we request that the Big Media headliners who participated in this psychodrama not go away penniless but receive the compensation they rightfully deserve for all their efforts, to wit: a padded cell for Olberman; a year supply of time release Prozac for Matthews; a week wooden stocks in the town square for MSNBC and NBC executives who denied there was a problem when they knew there was one, a copy of story of Faust for Brazille; a rat suit for Todd; a clown suit for Robinson and last but not least a RCMP uniform for Williams. And because Russert is now within the jurisdiction of a higher court we defer to its supreme authority.

  322. Very interesting. I re-read the letter by Davis and noticed Capus is now president of NBC whereas before he was EVP at MSNBC. General Electric likes what he is doing. I will bet you he got that promotion when at or near the time bambi was declared the presumptive nominee.

    I would do exactly what Davis is doing. I would tell Capus that the campaign is livid with what has occurred, holds him personally responsible and that they have made a tentative decision to cancel all debates and appearances on the GE networks. I would recite everything they did to Hillary as proof of their bias for Bambi. I would tell him the tenatative decision will become final depending on what he says. I would listen carefully to what he says, and then i would remind him of how he broke his world to NOW when he said to have Matthews knock off the sexist stuff and then pulled a bait and switch with Olberam. I would confirm anything he said back to him in a letter so there was no misunderstanding.

  323. Kudos to Rick Davis.

    Hillary’s campaign should have done that in February…March at the latest.

    AND it should have been made very public, very quickly, as this one has.

  324. What typically happens in that situation is the NBC attorney will jump in and defend Capus. You dont look at him you dont speak to him and you dont acknowledge him. You direct you attention at Capus. He will try to defer to the attorney but you tell him Steve I am dealing with you. This is between you and me.

  325. Emjay- if I had been representing them they would have. And I probably would have been fired, but the point would have been made.

  326. If you are into melodramatics you can borrow a chapter from Hoffa Sr. When he had a tough negotiation sometimes he would call the management negotiator into his office and have a shill walk in and tell him something provocative but untrue. Then he would start screaming and throwing things all for effect. The point would not be lost on the management negotiator and it wold grease the skids. At the beginning of my career some of the Teamsters still negotiated that way but it has become something of a lost art.

  327. WaPo op-ed piece rips Obama’s forum appearance, says McCain won:

    ———
    McCain’s New Hope
    The Candidate Shines at Saddleback Forum

    By Michael Gerson
    Monday, August 18, 2008; A11

    It is now clear why Barack Obama has refused John McCain’s offer of joint town hall appearances during the fall campaign. McCain is obviously better at them.

    Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency — two hours on Saturday night evenly divided between the relaxed, tieless candidates — was expected to be a sideshow. McCain and Obama would make their specialized appeals to evangelicals as if they were an interest group such as organized labor or the National Rifle Association. Evangelicals would demonstrate, in turn, that they are not rubes and know-nothings. And Americans would turn en masse to watch the Olympics.

    What took place instead under Warren’s precise and revealing questioning was the most important event so far of the 2008 campaign — a performance every voter should seek out on the Internet and watch.

    First, the forum previewed the stylistic battle lines of the contest ahead, and it should give Democrats pause. Obama was fluent, cool and cerebral — the qualities that made Adlai Stevenson interesting but did not make him president. Obama took care to point out that he had once been a professor at the University of Chicago, but that bit of biography was unnecessary. His whole manner smacks of chalkboards and campus ivy. Issues from stem cell research to the nature of evil are weighed, analyzed and explained instead of confronted.

    This approach has a genuine appeal to some voters, especially of a more liberal bent, who believe there is a nuance shortage in American life. But on Saturday night it did not compare well with McCain, who was decisive, passionate and surprisingly personal. The candidate who once seemed incapable of the confessional style of politics talked at length of Vietnam experiences and his adopted daughter from Bangladesh. Asked by Warren about his greatest moral failure, McCain’s response — “the failure of my first marriage” — had an abrupt and disarming authenticity. The account of his hardest decision — refusing release from captivity during the Vietnam War ahead of others who had been imprisoned longer — remains shocking in its valor. And McCain’s habit of understatement — he described the excruciating rope torture he experienced in Vietnam as “very uncomfortable” — makes his stories even more effective.

    Second, the Warren forum demonstrated how difficult it will be for Obama to appeal to religious and conservative voters as the campaign proceeds. His outreach to evangelical voters is obviously sincere, but he doesn’t actually agree with them on much. In the course of the forum, he endorsed federal funding for embryonic stem cell research in spite of the existence of humane and promising alternatives. He proposed controversial government regulations on faith-based charities that accept federal funds. He attacked Justice Clarence Thomas as unqualified and defended his vote against the confirmation of the widely admired Chief Justice John Roberts. Obama deserves points for honesty on all these issues, but it is possible to be honestly off-putting.

    Obama’s response on abortion — the issue that remains his largest obstacle to evangelical support — bordered on a gaffe. Asked by Warren at what point in its development a baby gains “human rights,” Obama said that such determinations were “above my pay grade” — a silly answer to a sophisticated question. If Obama is genuinely unsure about this matter, he (and the law) should err in favor of protecting innocent life. If Obama believes that a baby in the womb lacks human rights, he should say so — pro-choice men and women must affirm (as many sincerely do) that developing life has a lesser status. Here the professor failed the test of logic.

    For many evangelicals, the theoretical Obama — the Obama of hope and unity — is intriguing, even appealing. But this opinion is not likely to improve upon closer inspection of his policy views. Obama is one of those rare political figures who seems to grow smaller the closer we approach him. “I want people to know me well,” Obama said at the forum. Among religious conservatives, that may not be an advantage.

    Finally, McCain’s performance at the Warren forum helps change the political psychology going into the conventions. Republicans have spent the past few weeks pleasantly surprised at the closeness of the presidential race. But they have generally chalked this up to Obama’s weakness, not McCain’s strength. After Saturday night, even Republicans most skeptical of McCain must conclude: “Perhaps we aren’t doomed after all.”

    Of such small hopes are large upsets made.

  328. Berkley: that is a damned good piece. It is clear, crisp and analytical. Lots of insight. I wonder who really wrote it. I know it says Michael Gerson but I have read him before and this is above his paygrade/

  329. wbboei

    If you are not aleady acquainted with him, I commend to you a professor from Boston University. He is on Bill Moyers this weekend because he’s written a book, natch. Name is Andrew Bacevitch. Book is “The Limits of Power.”

    Some gems from the discussion:

    Great truths are often revealed by small absurdities.

    9/11 was a criminal act and should have been countered by enhanced police activity.

    The entire inteview will be available on Bill Moyer’s website via PBS by tomorrow.

    Please try to watch it Bill. You too, AMB90. And anyone else who voted 2 years ago for those who said they would end the war and redirect this country’s energies

    It will shake your souls.

  330. It is nice to see so much activity and discussion on this site again. Meanwhile,

    birdgal Says:

    August 17th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
    From Noquarter:

    “The campaign also announced Saturday that the upcoming Democratic National Convention would have a strong religious flavor, with “faith caucus meetings” to discuss religious voters’ concerns and daily invocations and benedictions from national faith leaders.

    ****
    I’ll reiterate my theory again, but Obama has so bought into the bullsh*t of Republicans crossing over for him (just like they did for the Primary) that he actually wants to pander to them at the Convention. and pun intended, but oh God, not another caucus.

  331. Emjay: he is one of the best. I have his book The American Empire which illuminates much of what is obscure about American foreign policy. He is an eloquent anti-neocon. A former army officer.
    Thanks for mentioning it emjay!

  332. brazille is a traitor for sure, but the rove thing bothers me because the more you look into it the more you suspect that the same financial interests are running both parties now. Under those circumsances party unity is a given but the american people get screwed/

  333. ummmm if this ever shakes out the dnc will never live it down
    http:/ /web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13056.htm

  334. lil ole grape

    I know that when I see stuff of interest here, I copy it and share with my HRC friends. So I think not only are we getting the direct hit, but people are reading and sharing what is posted here in a major way.

    YES I AM GLAD TO SEE SO MANY BACK, POSTING AND READING.

    The Olympians have shown much more grace at their loses than the politicians have. In many cases the comentaters have been the ones crying.

    Even though the networks are trying to justify it, even going to extremes, the end result will be the impression left in everyone’s mind of elitist, waffling, whinning, not prepared to lead.

    I am sure this has shaken his self confidence again (which a part of the ego problem anyway), and he will not want to do the 3 debates.

    SDs should be noticing that they have a person that likes a clean campaign.

    1. No debates or town halls,

    2. No meetings with people that oppose him

    3. Broad campaign ads that no one listens to (you hear them both and you doze off).

    4. McCain’s new staff can play the utube game. The most watched utube was the Paris Hilton stuff and the rebuttle (being beaten at his own game).

    5. He wins at collecting money, but it does not seem to sway the American People. The American people are becoming leary of where that moeny comes from.

    6. The new media is the blogs. O has bloggers, but people are going to the blogs they want to read. The ones his bloggers are trying to tear down, thy get restricted from. Can you imagine, blogs are the new free press.

    THINGS DO NOT LOOK GOOD. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO WIN, AND YOU BLEW IT. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE IN YOUR SHOES IN NOVEMBER.

  335. This just came up for me and I think it’s a joke too. 🙂

    turndownobama-com Says:
    August 17th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    harriet brinker,
    If this is the claimed memo, people at clintondems.com think it’s a joke, including their admin.
    h t t p : / / nosheepleshere.blogspot.com/2008/08/axelrod-memo-to-staffers-weve-got.

  336. Norma

    Justmeinmtdora

    jbstonesfan

    fdrjim

    Others there, including my cousin on A1A.

    I hope you are ALL battened down and buttoned up.

    Will think of you all in the next 36 hours, often.

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