Reality Vs. Hopium

While we fully digest the Hillary Clinton campaign Internal Memoranda which were published today we looked at the Obama promises to his Hopium injesting fans during the primary season and the political reality today.

A central feature of the primary argument was that Obama was a superior candidate to Hillary Clinton because she — perhaps through no fault of her own — was simply too divisive a figure, and he had the potential to move past the partisan bitterness.

“Part of the reason that Republicans, I think, are obsessed with you, Hillary, is because that’s a fight they’re very comfortable having,” Obama said at the Drexel debate last October. “It’s the fight that we’ve been through since the ’90s … and what we don’t need is another eight years of bickering.”

One thing this election has shown: The bitter partisan realities, and deep national divisions, don’t seem to be so easily surmounted. The blame falls more on McCain than on Obama here in terms of the media campaign — he’s the one airing attack ads on the Olympics — but each nominee started out the general election with sharp attacks on the other. More broadly, there were always going to be two sides in November. Harmony wasn’t really Obama’s to promise.

Politico listed a series of reality hurdles facing Barack Obama and slapping awake the Hopium intoxicated:

A few weeks back, Time magazine was musing that John McCain was in danger of sliding from “a long shot” to a “no-shot.” Around the same time, a hard-nosed former Hillary Clinton insider declared the race “effectively over” thanks to the McCain campaign’s ineptitude, the tanking U.S. economy and Obama’s advantages in cash, charisma and hope. And Obama, up by three to six points nationally, was about to leverage a much-anticipated trip to Iraq, Afghanistan and Europe into a pre-convention poll surge.

Instead, his supporters are now suffering a pre-Denver panic attack, watching as John McCain draws incrementally closer in state and national polls – with Rasmussen’s most recent daily national tracker showing a statistical dead heat.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has been privately enumerating her doubts about Obama to supporters, according to people who have spoken with her. Clinton’s pollster Mark Penn recently unveiled a PowerPoint presentation red-flagging Obama’s lukewarm leads among white female voters and Hispanics – while predicting a five-point swing could turn a presumed Obama win into a McCain landslide.

Bob Kerry does not hear the celestial choirs and slaps awake the Hopium intoxicated – there was never going to be an Obama blowout:

The idea that Obama was going to win in a blowout was always preposterous,” says former Nebraska senator and onetime presidential hopeful Bob Kerrey, an Obama backer.

According to MSNBC Obama Central, Obama has aired over 10,000 ads in Florida. McCain has aired no ads in Florida. McCain is ahead in Florida. Reality slaps the Hopium intoxicated:

Obama’s strength in Virginia may be overhyped. His chances of ending the Democrats 44-year losing streak in the commonwealth are pretty good — thanks to the explosive growth of the liberal D.C. suburbs, and a 147,000 spike in voter registration sure to benefit Democrats. But Obama’s aides privately concede his odds in Virginia are probably no better than 50-50 and that the state is far from a lock-solid hedge if he loses Ohio and Florida.

Michigan’s in play for McCain. In the year of the downturn, the hard-hit upper Midwest should be prime Obama country. Instead it’s a potential minefield. Obama is still ahead by two to five points there — similar to margins of victory enjoyed by Gore and Kerry in the last two presidential contests — but McCain has quietly crept up over the past month and could vault ahead if he anoints ex-Gov. Mitt Romney as his running mate. Simmering tensions between predominantly black Detroit and its white suburbs could hurt Obama. And McCain’s surrogates were handed a gift in the jailing of Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, an Obama supporter.

Watch Michigan — the Democrats think they’ve got it but they don’t,” says Quinnipiac’s Peter Brown, a longtime Michigan observer. “Obama should be killing [McCain] there, but there’s a lot more racial tension in Michigan than in other states.”

Obama also hasn’t pulled away in other Democrat-friendly neighboring states, watching leads in Wisconsin and Minnesota erode over the last month.

Bob Kerrey once again commits the sin of truthtelling:

Americans may want divided government. Some Democratic operatives think a possible landslide for their party in congressional races could backfire on Obama.

“Fairly or not, folks think he’s pretty liberal and nobody wants a pair of Pelosis running things,” says a New York-based Democratic consultant.

Adds Bob Kerrey: “The country’s still pretty divided … people may want a divided government. They want change, but I’m not sure that the Democratic agenda has the support of a majority of Americans.”

Americans are rejecting Barack Obama and his schemes for America, Chicago, and the world : Keep the change, Barack!

Bad poll news for Obama as McCain moves up in Oregon, Iowa, Virginia, Michigan, Missouri, and Florida are slapping awake denizens of the Hopium internet dens.

Older voters will resist the alleged charms of Barack Obama.

Surveys and interviews suggest that older voters think McCain, who will turn 72 this month, comes far closer than Obama, 47, to sharing their values and outlook on the world and on the changes in the nation over the past half-century.

“The older people just don’t see Obama in these glowing terms,” said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center. “For older voters, a lot of the reservations really have to do with this experience factor, while younger voters see in Obama something much closer to themselves.”

And whatever Donna Brazile and David Axelrod and assorted Eggheads think, older voters matter if you want to win:

The presidential race has featured generational contrasts before, most recently when Clinton, a baby boomer, took on World War II veterans in Bush and Dole. But Clinton fared well with older voters because of the strong support for programs such as Social Security among the seniors who predominated in the 1990s, many of whom grew up during Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal. In 2000, Gore narrowly won voters over 65 after echoing Clinton’s arguments about Social Security. In 2004, John F. Kerry lost voters over 65 by five percentage points to President Bush, and he lacked the huge edge that Obama holds in polls with younger voters to make up the difference.

Edward F. Coyle, executive director of the left-leaning Alliance of Retired Americans, said Obama holds the traditional Democratic edge on issues such as pensions, but is lagging with seniors because his campaign became so identified with younger voters during the primaries, as older ones gravitated toward Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

“There was never a lot of discussion about the issues we work on, and he wasn’t working with older communities to get out their vote,” Coyle said. “He’s pretty much unknown on these issues as a result, and has a lot of work to do.”

Obama and his Hopium dealing thugs wanted to trash McCain they way they trashed Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton supporters. But other Democrats are bringing reality into the trashing of John McCain.

Bob Kerrey:

“John McCain is a known quantity,” says Bob Kerrey, who thinks Obama will ultimately prevail. “You don’t look at John and say, ‘Who the heck is he?’. He’s a veteran, he’s a guy who got pretty banged up in Vietnam. He can deal with crisis. There’s some uncertainty about Senator Obama.”

John Kerry, who wanted John McCain as his running mate in 2004:

Yeah, I, I don’t agree. I don’t agree with Wes Clark’s comment. I think it was entirely inappropriate. I have nothing but enormous respect for John McCain’s service. I had the privilege of standing with John McCain in the, in the cell in Hanoi when we visited there together, when we worked on the issue of Vietnam together. It was an emotional moment. I, I have awe for John McCain’s experience as a prisoner of war, and he, and he does understand duty and service. …

Russ Feingold, a god to the nutroots:

“I think the guy calls ’em as he sees ’em, and as president would call ’em as he sees ’em, and would make people mad all over the place because it wouldn’t fit anybody’s playbook,” said Feingold, who teamed up with McCain to rewrite federal campaign laws.

“He would be very original,” Feingold said.

Obama will trash anyone who gets in his way, friend or foe. But Obama cannot get the voters to swallow the Hopium. The Obama promise of harmony was always a lie.

The celestial choirs are singing a dirge of reality, not a Hopium induced chant.


309 thoughts on “Reality Vs. Hopium

  1. Obama is evading reality (Georgia, polls, Edwards) by going to Kailua Beach. We’ve heard Oprah has her big summer house in Kailua Beach too.

  2. A lot of democrats are buying John Kerry belief that Obama can buy himself the president in the fall because he will have the money to purchase ad money in late september and early November.

  3. The only way that SOB would DARE to yank her keynote address is if he gave her the vp spot.

    I swear, if she is on that loser effing ticket, I will implode!!!!

  4. “John McCain is a known quantity,” says Bob Kerrey, who thinks Obama will ultimately prevail. “You don’t look at John and say, ‘Who the heck is he?’. He’s a veteran, he’s a guy who got pretty banged up in Vietnam. He can deal with crisis. There’s some uncertainty about Senator Obama.”

    We’re all old enough to recall the tv show Bewitched, right? Bob Kerry is Dick York, and John Kerry is Dick Sargeant. LOL…right vs wrong.

  5. McCain’s Experience Shows Through

    Posted 8/12/2008

    Election ’08: Russia’s brutal invasion of Georgia caught America off guard. But it did give voters an idea of what to expect from a President McCain or a President Obama, and right now the differences are stark.

    John McCain understood just what was happening and called it right on the first shot.

    “Russian military forces crossed an internationally recognized border into the sovereign territory of Georgia,” he said as the news broke. “The very existence of independent Georgia — and the survival of democratically elected government — are at stake.”

    He was blasted by pundits as being too extreme, but events now show he was right. McCain grasped the regional implications, too.

    “Russia has used violence against Georgia to send a signal to any country that chooses to associate with the West and aspire to our shared political and economic values,” he said.

    As he spoke, tiny Estonia and weak Ukraine began efforts to aid Georgia. Western Europe’s greater powers wrung their hands.

    McCain also comprehended what the attack meant for U.S. influence in the world — the specter of an ally bleeding while friend and foe alike eyed our response.

    “Russian aggression against Georgia is both a matter of urgent moral and strategic importance” to the U.S., he said. He masterfully warned Russia off the cuff of specific consequences if it didn’t leave — a United Nations Security Council condemnation even if Russia vetoes it; an emergency NATO session for a peacekeeping force, and a potential end to Russia’s NATO partnership; a G-7 meeting that could kick Russia out; and beefed up Eastern European defenses.

    In contrast, Barack Obama was all over the map, first equivocating Georgia and Russia as equally at fault and calling like a tired parent for all sides to just stop, making no moral distinction between an invader state and a nation invaded.

    “Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint and avoid escalation into a full scale war,” he said. It was a call for peace at any price, and implied that if Georgia should take exception to a foreign invasion, its self-defense was culpable. Jimmy Carter would be so proud.

    Obama then lazily called on the U.N. to take care of the problem, which ignores the U.N.’s long record of inaction. All the same, turning it over to the U.N. conveniently extricates the U.S. from any responsibility to an ally and shields Obama from peace lobby criticism.

    Obama then shifted to a slightly tougher line with more U.N. involvement, easily done with 300 foreign policy advisers, apparently including Hollywood actor George Clooney.

    Obviously, one candidate has a superior sense of America’s strategic interests and the emerging threats over the other, and Russia’s invasion of Georgia has laid it out starkly.

    McCain has a consistently clear reading on America’s role in the world. He’s seen war up close in Vietnam, and knows the mentality of tyrants and thugs. He also has focused on foreign affairs for decades, helping found Ronald Reagan’s International Republican Institute in 1983, which, along with the National Democratic Institute, has attempted to spread democracy through the world. It’s not surprising that he calls for a league of democracies to replace the stagnant U.N. and ineffective multilateral organizations.

    McCain has been calling Russian intentions right since 1999, when he warned that Vladimir Putin was bad news and said Russia’s strike at Chechnya would in time spread to Georgia.

    It was later echoed in his defiant support of the surge in Iraq, which challenged conventional wisdom at the time but has since brought America a real victory in a long war.

    It was also there in 1994, when the former POW defied Republicans to urge the normalization of trade relations with Vietnam, giving President Clinton, a draft dodger, crucial legislative cover to lift the embargo. Events show he provided America with a vital partner and emerging ally to counter the growing power of China in Southeast Asia. McCain cited that strategic picture in 1994.

    In 1988, he was one of the loudest advocates for Reagan’s missile shield in Europe, bluntly saying that supporters of what was then derisively called “Star Wars” “believe in protecting our security,” while “opponents believe in undermining our security.” Today, with military tests successfully knocking missiles out of the sky, the wisdom of that is obvious, too.

    All of this shows that McCain is rapidly emerging as the 3 a.m. president.
    Country before Party!!!

  6. McCain would back Georgia NATO bid if elected
    36 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — Republican White House contender John McCain said Tuesday he would support Georgia’s bid to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) if he is elected president in November.

    “I would move forward at the right time with the application for membership in NATO by Georgia,” McCain told Fox News television.

    “As you know, through the NATO membership, that if a member nation is attacked, it is viewed as an attack on all,” said the Arizona senator, alluding to Russia’s military aggression on Georgia.

    “We don’t have, I think, right now, the ability to intervene in any way except in a humanitarian, economic way, and do what we can to help the Georgians,” he added.

    McCain, 71, also reiterated his call for Russia to be kicked out of the Group of Eight most industrialized nations.

    “Russia no longer shares any of the values and principles of the G-8, so they should be excluded,” he said.

    Georgia’s bid to join NATO has divided the alliance. During an April summit in Bucharest, NATO leaders deferred putting Georgia and Ukraine on a formal path to membership but agreed that the two former Soviet republics “will become members” at some point.

    The formula was intended as a compromise between opposing positions taken by France, Germany and several other members, and the United States, which had pushed hard on behalf of Georgia and Ukraine’s NATO aspirations.

    It extended no security commitments, but it may have emboldened Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili in his dealings with the Russians, as they stepped up pressure on Tblisi.

    And it infuriated the Russians who had been given assurances that the summit would not approve a further NATO expansion into the two former Soviet republics.

    To distance himself from President George W. Bush on the Georgia-Russia conflict, McCain said the US leader “probably had a higher opinion of (Russian Prime Minister) Vladimir Putin than I do.”

    Bush once said he that upon looking into Putin’s eyes he saw “his soul” while McCain said he saw “three letters: K– G– B.”

    “Yes, I saw that,” McCain said Tuesday.

    Asked about his Democratic rival Barack Obama’s view of the ongoing conflict in the Caucasus, McCain said he respected the Illinois senator’s views, adding that he believed it “important that we act in a bipartisan fashion now.

    “There’s no room for partisanship now.”

    Obama, on vacation in Hawaii, on Tuesday read a statement blaming Russia for increasing tensions in the Caucasus.

    “No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country,” said Obama, 47.

    “There is no possible justification for these attacks,” he added

  7. Obama plays hoops at Punahou

    Sen. Barack Obama returned to his alma mater today, once again playing basketball on the courts of Punahou School.

    Obama arrived at the school about 11:15 a.m. and was met by James Scott, Punahou’s president, Scott’s wife, Maureen, and Kevin Conway, Punahou’s high school principal.

    Obama was expected to play basketball with some of his high school classmates and campaign staff on the practice court at the Asa Thurston Physical Education Center.

    Obama graduated from Punahou in 1979 and played on the school’s state championship basketball team that year.

    The Obama motorcade arrived at Kua Aina Sandwich Shop at Ward Centre about 1:30 p.m. for lunch. The group left at about 2 p.m. and traveled to Ala Moana Beach Park across the street. Obama brought lunch to his wife, Michelle, his daughters and family friends who were waiting under a tree at the park.

    The Illinois senator and presidential candidate is on the fourth full day of his week-long Hawaii vacation.

  8. Idunn,

    i agree. :sigh:

    I also heard Wolfson on talk radio and instead of talking about how JE stole the nomination from HRC, he was talking up the ‘unity’ pony, saying stuff like HRC had ‘gotten over it” and was behind Waffles 100% and there were pros and cons about putting her name in nomination.

    It was sickening.

    I just tuned into another radio show and there’s a rumor that Waffles has put his Chicago house up for sale. don’t know if it’s true. i confess, I’m getting to the point that I may tune everything out from now until Nov. 4th and then go to the voting booth and poull the lever for Johnny.

    i can never vote for Waffles. One of my msin reasons, aside from the hundreds of reasons about his complete incompetence, is his tacit support for sharia law via cousin odinga. now that scares the cr@p outta me.


  9. can never vote for Waffles. One of my msin reasons, aside from the hundreds of reasons about his complete incompetence, is his tacit support for sharia law via cousin odinga. now that scares the cr@p outta me.

    Exactly. I’m leary as hell of his connections with Nadhmi Auchi as well. I won’t vote for him, period. I don’t care if he puts Jesus himself on the ticket.

  10. Is the Georgia invasion ‘McCain’s moment?’

    You may note that the pundits most eager to write about Georgia and what it means are of the conservative persuasion. And there’s no question that they, at least, believe that moments like this one make McCain look like a more attractive choice for commander in chief. George Will wrote this:

    Vladimir Putin, into whose soul President George W. Bush once peered and liked what he saw, has conspicuously conferred with Russia’s military, thereby making his poodle, “President” Dmitry Medvedev, yet more risible. But big events reveal smallness, such as that of New Mexico’s Gov. Bill Richardson.

    On ABC’s “This Week,” Richardson, auditioning to be Barack Obama’s running mate, disqualified himself. Clinging to the Obama campaign’s talking points like a drunk to a lamppost, Richardson said this crisis proves the wisdom of Obama’s zest for diplomacy, and that America should get the U.N. Security Council “to pass a strong resolution getting the Russians to show some restraint.” Apparently Richardson was ambassador to the U.N. for 19 months without noticing that Russia has a Security Council veto.

    This crisis illustrates, redundantly, the paralysis of the U.N. regarding major powers, hence regarding major events, and the fictitiousness of the European Union regarding foreign policy. Does this disturb Obama’s serenity about the efficacy of diplomacy? Obama’s second statement about the crisis, in which he tardily acknowledged Russia’s invasion, underscored the folly of his first, which echoed the Bush administration’s initial evenhandedness. “Now,” said Obama, “is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint.”

    John McCain, the “life is real, life is earnest” candidate, says he has looked into Putin’s eyes and seen “a K, a G and a B.” But McCain owes the thug thanks, as does America’s electorate. Putin has abruptly pulled the presidential campaign up from preoccupation with plumbing the shallows of John Edwards and wondering what “catharsis” is “owed” to disappointed Clintonites.

    In tomorrow’s paper, Kathleen Parker even more starkly — and more amusingly — contrasts McCain to both Bush and Obama.

    Whomever you like for president, you gotta admit the KGB line is a good one. It’s a favorite of McCain’s, and we’re likely to hear him saying it more. His campaign is already putting out the line that events in Georgia have shown him to be “‘Prescient’ On Russia And Putin.”

    So how about it, folks? Does this affect your choice for November, and how? Does it make you more likely to vote for McCain — or for Obama? Or does it not affect your thinking one way or the other?

    Yes, it’s grotesque to speak of such awful events in terms of its effect upon an election, but face it, folks: About all that you and I and the guy down the street can do in reaction to what’s happened is choose the guy who’s going to lead us in a world in which Russia knows it can get away with stuff like

  11. Idunn Says: The only way that SOB would DARE to yank her keynote address is if he gave her the vp spot.
    I swear, if she is on that loser effing ticket, I will implode!!!!

    I’ll sure work twice as hard to defeat any such ticket! She wouldnt’ even help the ticket according to a recent WP/ABC poll. They found putting her on the ticket would repel as many people as it would attract.

    As for the speeches, I can imagine a lot of more important things Hillary could trade that for. Like more power in the Senate.

  12. Does anyone have a link to the Politico story that says Waffles yanked the keynote address from HRC? All I know is what I read on HillBuzz. Is there a reaction from her on that?

  13. Oregon Independent Party sues Secretary of State
    By Britten Chase

    The Oregon Independent Party and Secretary of State Bill Bradbury are headed to court to resolve their differences on how many parties can be listed next to a candidate’s name on the ballot, according to Oregon Independent Party Secretary Sal Peralta.

    “We had hoped that the Secretary of State’s Elections Division would recognize their mistake, correct it, and allow us to move on,” Peralta said Tuesday. “The opinion of our legal advisors is that the state’s actions are inconsistent with Oregon law, and we need the court to step in and make a determination.”

    OR-1 congressional candidate Joel Haugen (R-Scappoose) is joining in on the lawsuit. Haugen, the Republican nominee, was cross nominated by the Oregon Independent Party, and has said that he wants both the Republican Party and the Independent Party next to his name on the ballot. The Independent Party believes that a 1995 statute means that there can be more than one party listed next to a candidate’s name.

    The Secretary of State’s office has maintained that only one party can appear next to Haugen’s name on the ballot, and if Haugen wants the Independent Party to appear, he needs to relinquish his Republican nomination.

    “There appears to be a difference of opinion in the interpretation of the law, and the Independent Party is asking the courts to clearly define the law,” Secretary of State Spokesman Don Hamilton said.

    Hamilton refused to comment further on the case because of the impending lawsuit.

    Now the question becomes if the case can be resolved before August 26, the date that the Secretary of State’s office has said that Haugen would need to resign the Republican nomination and take up the Independent nomination. Independent Party chair Linda Williams said that they have asked for an expedited hearing, and they expect the situation can be resolved before that date.

    The Oregon Independent Party has also cross nominated Oregon House Speaker and U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Merkley (D-Portland) and State Sen. and State Treasurer candidate Ben Westlund (D-Tumalo).

    “The Independent Party makes a strong argument that the statutory changes in 1995 require that party nominations accepted by a candidate should appear on that candidate’s ballot line,” Westlund said when he was nominated Monday. ”The statute seems to indicate that both nominations should be printed in this case.”

    As for Haugen, he has been embraced by the Independent Party even as he has lost a lot of support from local 1st District Republicans because of his endorsement of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Because of his Independent support and his Republican affiliation, he feels that both parties should be next to his name on the ballot.

    “Joel has never been someone that is as worried about the letter after his name as he is worried about the ideas that come out of his candidacy,” Haugen’s campaign manager Sarah Tiedemann said. “If both parties are next to his name,that is the most accurate representation of him to the voters.”
    Trickery, Trickery, Trickery.

  14. Why Obama doesn’t hold big lead

  15. Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?

    Sam Vaknin, Ph.D. – 8/13/2008

  16. It sounds like she never was the keynote speaker to begin with. I have no friggin’ idea what’s going on.

  17. The continuing saga of “Babymammagate”

    John Edwards’ Mistress Had Minor Film Roles
    Tuesday August 12, 2008

    John Edwards’ mistress Rielle Hunter appeared in movies starring Denzel Washington, Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell, according to Inside Edition.

    Hunter – whose original name is Lisa Druck – is credited as Lisa Hunter in 1987’s Overboard, starring Russell and Hawn, and 1991’s Ricochet, in which she played a reporter opposite Washington.

    She also appeared in an indie flick titled Chicago Poems.

    In an interview on Friday, Edwards claimed the affair occurred in 2006 and denied fathering Hunter’s baby girl. Hunter, who did not list a father on the infant’s birth certificate, has refused a paternity test.

    Hunter’s sisters, Roxanne Druck in North Carolina and Melissa Druck in Nevada, spoke out about her to Entertainment Tonight and The Insider in interviews airing Wednesday.

    “I’ve seen the pictures of the baby she looks like John Edwards,” says Roxanne. “She’s got his eyes and jaw line and lips, but she does have Rielle’s nose… My niece is not a bastard, I just don’t think it’s right.”

    Roxanne said at first she didn’t believe reports of her sister’s affair with the former presidential hopeful.

    “The most shocking thing was watching him on TV giving these half truths, these half baked answers,” she said. “I wish for everyone involved that he’d have come clean.”

    Roxanne said she would give Edwards’ cancer-sticken wife Elizabeth “a big hug” and apologize. “I’m very ashamed my sister had an affair with such a public man,” she said.

    Said Melissa: “She’s not the first person to make this mistake and she won’t be the last.”
    Since Rielle Hunter sister are talking to the tabloid media and maybe local media, the story is on the cover of Us Weekly if family member continue to talk they will push this story into November.

    Both sister live in states Obama need in November: North Carolina and Nevada.

  18. I’ve been away from news and the computer for a few days. Did Sean Hannity just say that the Obama campaign is vetting JOHN KERRY as a possible VP? Surely I must have not heard that correctly. Or is that old news?

    JOHN KERRY?????????????????????????????????????????????????

  19. Yes, southerborn…i just heard that…well that will be the final nail…the rest of the air will really come out of his balloon…i cannot believe he would be that stupid and out of touch…kerry …it’s too funny


    OT…does anyone have the link the the WSJ article that Hillary wrote a couple of weeks ago…? thx

  20. John Kerry as VP, would be running the show. The Dems, Cheney. BO and Kerry=Boring, Boring, Boring, and Elitists.

  21. southern born

    I just heard that, too.

    I also heard a wild story about the COLB. Apparently, the Hawaii AG was presented with an injunction to allow viewing of the docs but when people went to see them, they were gone. The entire year of people born in 1961 was missing as well as any legal docs related to Soetero/obama.

    This is just getting downright terrifying.

  22. Basil, just imagine if you were born in 1961 in Hawaii..and your COLB suddenly was missing…what a nightmare!

  23. The BC issue is weird. I have thought that, it has been a distraction, but with documents missing, it is downright weird.

  24. basil9 Says:
    I just tuned into another radio show and there’s a rumor that Waffles has put his Chicago house up for sale. don’t know if it’s true.

    Hey, then he could call it his ‘former house’.

    That solves everything! Just like Wright is his ‘former pastor.”

  25. If John Kerry does not work out as VP…there is always Obama’s new campaign adviser…George Clooney!

  26. This is an excerpt from the pumapac blog:

    “Gov. Rendell’s pressure on delegates to pipe down and fall in line is just one of many in a concerted, serious, and outrageous effort to hold the Unity Pony in check at ALL COSTS. Delegates in Colorado being threatened with replacement if they sign the 300 Petition; delegates in Kentucky told they will be “primaried” and punished by the Party if they ask for a roll call vote and nomination. And outrageous (and I mean OUTRAGEOUS) pressure on Hillary to RELEASE her delegates immediately in order to KILL the NOMINATION question DEAD.”

  27. This party and this country should be outragged over what is happening here.

    This looks more like Putin’s KGB. What is happening within the Democratic party to me is illegal, and criminal.

    I will not have one problem voting for McCain. And they brow beat their members about being loyal.

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  29. Some of those hoping to wrangle a seat for Barack Obama’s speech were told this week they have to put in six hours of volunteer work for his campaign by Friday to have a shot at a ticket.

    And that ruffled at least a few feathers.

    “My whole reason why I’m so mad about it is because Democrats need to act like Democrats,” said Heather Kreider, a working mother from Centennial.

    “Democrats work for a living, and they have to work and take care of their families. And they say these are open to those in the community, so they shouldn’t ask people to drop everything in their lives for this,” Kreider said Tuesday.

    “It’s not fair. It’s elitist. And they need to practice what they’re preaching,” she added,

    Doing the volunteer work only makes someone eligible for a ticket and doesn’t guarantee one, according to the phone message from the campaign.

    Obama’s decision to move the last night of the Democratic National Convention to Invesco Field at Mile High, where he will speak to a crowd of more than 75,000, sparked a frenzy for tickets.

    Campaign organizers pledged that more than half those in the stadium would be Coloradans, but they have been vague about how they would decide who got tickets.

    Kreider was among more than 80,000 people who applied for tickets to Obama’s Aug. 28 speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination. As part of the application process, people were asked to check a box if they were willing to volunteer for the Obama campaign.

    Matt Chandler, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the only people who were asked to volunteer were those who said on their applications that they were willing to do the work.

    Those who don’t volunteer will still have a chance at the tickets, Chandler said.

    “The vast majority of people who get credentials won’t have to volunteer,” he said. “The folks who might have accidentally hit the ‘volunteer’ tab, they don’t have to worry. They’re in the same place in line.”

    But Kreider said she is certain she didn’t hit the “volunteer” box on the online application.

    Still, Kreider got a message telling her that she had to do six hours of volunteer work by Friday if she wanted a chance at a ticket. Kreider said she will not do the work.

    “Absolutely not,” she said. “Now it’s pure principal. I was a Hillary Clinton supporter, and this is literally my first touch with the Obama campaign. And it’s just disappointing.”

    A man, who spoke to the Rocky on the condition that he not be named, said he got a message saying he had to do 12 hours of phone work or canvassing to have a chance at the two tickets he wants.

    Asked if he planned to do the work, he said “hell no” and called the campaign’s conditions “blackmail.”

  30. Basil, when did you hear all the bc’s for 1961 in Hawaii are gone??
    It’s getting scary out there folks, if they can lose all colb in 1961 in Hawaii, how are we ever going to hear the TRUTH???

  31. Aid coming for farmers
    Updated: 08/12/2008 06:18 PM
    By: Web Staff
    NEW YORK STATE — Farmers across New York State are getting some help from the federal government.

    The USDA has declared 17 counties in New York State federal disaster areas after wind and hail storms this summer destroyed thousands of acres of crops. Those counties are Albany, Columbia, Dutchess, Erie, Fulton, Genesee, Greene, Monroe, Onondaga, Ontario, Orange, Orleans, Rockland, Schoharie, Ulster, Wayne and Westchester County.

    New York Senator Hillary Clinton says New Yorkers will also be able to take part in the “Buy-In” program, which allows farmers to get assistance even without crop insurance.

  32. Current ArticleObama on Georgia — Simply Lost

    From No Quarters: EXCERPT

    Georgia is lost. Let’s not lose the Ukraine. Putin has run circles around Bush, can you imagine Obama? At least with McCain, he has been sounding the alarm for a decade. Experience does count. So does realism and Obama on Georgia shows a fatal flaw. He is divorced from reality.

  33. Good evening, folks! I will cut to the chase–I’m asking each one of you to please spread the truth about a great site–Puma PAC. The tireless founder of this site and its Puma members have been smeared by a disgrunttled former member (my opinion). Will you please read the following blog by Darragh Murphy and take action? We all need to stick together. Thank you. Mary Jo

    UPDATE AUGUST 11th AT 3:09PM: It has come to my attention that the so-called Puma formerly known as Knoxville (aka Knoxville Puma, Knoxville Brian, and Brian Carniello) has been incessantly blogging lies and misinformation about Puma PAC and me personally all around the internet, specifically in regard to Puma PAC’s finances. As our members and most readers know, Puma PAC is a political action committee registered with the Federal Elections Commission. This means we must follow very strict and specific campaign finance laws, and that our financial disclosure forms are a matter of public record. In June of 2008 we raised just over $22,000. In July we raised approximately $20,000. Our July disclosure forms will be submitted this week and made public by the FEC soon after that. As of July 31st Puma PAC had spent about $8,000 on our documentary and youtube clips, $2,000 on printing and shipping, $5,000 on web hosting and development, and $2,500 on legal fees. The remainder being safe and sound and untouched in Puma PAC’s own bank account with Bank of America. Our budget for Denver is close to $20,000. That means we are frugal, cautious, and will soon be flat broke. ALL of our contributions come from individual donors, the VAST majority of them $25 or less. Please help spread these facts far and wide. Brian Carniello’s attacks are not merely damaging to me they are an attack on ALL of us and on the Puma Movement itself. Please email me at if you have more specific or further concerns. Thank you — Darragh Murphy

    Will you join me in spreading the truth as well as contribute to Murphy’s Puma PAC site?

    Thank you,
    Mary Jo

  34. Russian President Halts Military Action In Georgia
    UN Condemns Fighting During Olympics

    POSTED: 8:44 pm CDT August 12, 2008
    UPDATED: 9:05 pm CDT August 12, 2008

    WASHINGTON — Russian news reports said President Dmitri Medvedev called for a halt to Russian military action in Georgia. Meanwhile, Russia’s foreign minister calls for Georgia’s president to leave and Georgian troops to stay out for good.

    This all comes as the mediation talks were set to begin in the region Tuesday and as U.N. Security Council takes up a resolution.

    A spokesperson at the State Department said they are aware of the statement by the Russian president, but have no comment yet. It comes as the U.S. and other countries have been trying to pressure on Russia to support a cease-fire.

    “I’ve made the decision to halt the peacekeeping operations in Georgia,” Medvedev said. “The goal of the operation is complete.”

    The announcement by Russia’s president came just as he prepared to meet with French President Nicholas Sarkozy to broker a truce.

    Also, as Russian forces push deeper into Georgian territory, the United Nations Security Council met again Tuesday to consider a resolution to end the violence.

    In addition to a cease-fire, the proposal also calls for immediate negotiations. It also warns of further action by the U.N. and condemns the fighting for occurring during the Olympics — violating a truce that all nations were asked to observe during the games.

    “This has gone on too long,” U.S. Ambassador to U.N. Zalmay Khalilzad said.

    Hoping to put more pressure on Russia, Khalilzad echoed the comments of President George W. Bush.

    “Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century,” Ethan Burger with American University.

    Speaking in the Rose Garden after returning from Beijing, bush accused the Russian government of trying to topple Georgia’s pro-western government. He also expressed concerned by the “dramatic and brutal escalation” of the conflict, which could have far reaching consequences.

    According to that statement, Russia’s President says that Georgia has been punished and security restored. So far, we haven’t seen a response from Georgian officials.

    The conflict is also becoming a hot topic on the campaign trail. What do the White House hopefuls have to say about it?

    For once, both candidates seem to agree. John McCain and Barack Obama made statements Monday. Both said a multi-prong diplomatic effort is the best way to handle this crisis.

    Aside from this U.N. resolution, the U.S. could try to marginalize Russia by pressing for it to be kicked out the G8, which is a group of the major world powers, to help resolve the conflict.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also sent a midlevel official to the region to assist in mediation efforts.

    A senior American official and the UN ambassador from Georgia suspect Russia has been planning to invade Georgia for some time.

    And, this isn’t the first time we’ve seen a Russian invasion. The old Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, and it invaded Afghanistan in 1979.

    Also on Tuesday, NATO held an emergency meeting on the conflict and Sarkozy met with the presidents of Russia and Georgia.
    George W. Bush has been the worst President evah! I see Cheney has kept his head down.

  35. One of the bloggers at PumaPac said he saw a memorandum from a high up Clinton campaign member that Hillary has said she will ask to be put her name in the roll call if he dropped below 5 pts above McCain in the polls! Hasn’t that already happened??

  36. nope.ive seen no poll w/mccain at 5pct over obama. they are tied pretty much. the russia matter may boost mccain in the comming days. edwards may hurt obama. i think mccain will rise more in 2 wks time.

  37. Kerry for VP, huh? Makes perfect sense to me. Kerry is calling in favors to the Obama camp for allowing BHO keynote address in 2004. After all, he calculates that BHO could “save” him from defeat in his home district from O’Reilly.

    What a comedown, if Kerry loses to O’Reilly, right? So, in order to avoid that huge embarrassment, Kerry figures that protege BHO should return the favor and name him his VP. A SURE losing proposition. So go for it big boys.

    Impress each other with your “one-upping” each other in the elitist department. Kerry considered McCain as VP in 2004, remember? McCain contemplates Lieberman – Gore’s VP running mate in 2000. So we see the common denominator is – who else, but McCain. McCain – pit Romney against Kerry. A businessman vs. lifelong politician to dissect the economy. Can Suze Orman be the moderator, PLEASE?!?

    You can’t make this stuff up, folks.

  38. I’m betting in order to get the ticket the DNC is forcing everyone to volunteer, because, they don’t have any money and cant hire all the necessary people to set up the convention.

    So what we are going to see is a bunch of young kids on summer break flooding the stadium, hey a chance to see a rock star? how can they refuse?

    like hey dude, its only six hours……

  39. The Obama/Wright/Kilpatrick Collision
    By Steve Mitchell

    Two percent. That’s the percent of voters outside the “Motor City” that have a favorable impression of embattled Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. You don’t have to be a pollster to understand how strongly disliked Kilpatrick is throughout Michigan.

    Sit in any restaurant or bar, and all you hear is people talking about Kilpatrick’s troubles. Indicted in March on eight felony counts for committing perjury during a whistleblower trial that eventually cost the city about $9 million, the Mayor spent one night in jail on August 7th for violating his bond and then was arraigned the next day for a new crime. In the latest charges, Kilpatrick is accused of assaulting two sheriff’s deputies as they were trying to serve one of his close friends with a subpoena.

    And, what does this have to do with Barack Obama? Although Kilpatrick has distanced himself from Obama and Obama has distanced himself from Kilpatrick, they are both inextricably linked to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. And, that is Obama’s problem.

    The night before Wright imploded in front of the Washington press corps, he was the featured speaker at an NAACP dinner in Detroit where Mayor Kilpatrick gave him a rousing introduction, an introduction shown on local TV news shows. Undoubtedly, some 527 committee or the Michigan Republican Party has that introduction on DVD.

    Rev. Wright has already proven to be an albatross around Obama’s neck. Obama’s support plummeted among white North Carolina General Election voters after TV ads linking him with Rev. Wright were aired during the North Carolina Democratic primary. That plunge in support did not go unnoticed by McCain supporters.

    It is very likely that similar ads will be run in key battleground states starting in mid-October. In Michigan, you can bet that the much hated Kilpatrick will be included in the Obama/Wright ads, making them look like the Three Musketeers, “one for all and all for one.”

    Not only does Obama have to overcome Wright’s fiery rhetoric, he has to overcome the Kilpatrick connection, too. Kilpatrick’s tremendous unpopularity has fueled latent and sometime blatant racism among Michigan voters, the last thing Obama needs in a key state less than three months before the election.

    White voters around the country demonstrated their concern with Obama when they voted by a more than 2:1 margin against him in all the primary elections after March 4th. Michigan has a large number of lower income, less educated white voters, the same type of voter who rejected Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, and other states.

    During the primaries, Obama dismissed some white voters by saying they “cling to their guns or religion.” Democrats must now worry that white voters in Michigan may well cling to their enormous antipathy towards Kwame Kilpatrick and take it out on Barack Obama.

    The timetables being set for Kilpatrick’s hearings and trials certainly seem to have an incredibly coincidental link to the presidential election, something that the two state leaders who have set them would deny.

    Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm has the power to remove Kilpatrick from office under a little used law. So far, she has been hesitant to do so. The primary reason for her not kicking him out of office was given by an African-American Detroit city councilwoman who said “we don’t want a white governor removing our black mayor.”

    However, since the most recent charges and problems, she has been under added pressure from the media and the public to kick him out. She has also been under intense pressure from the Obama campaign to get rid of him because he could be a real a drag on the ticket. When Obama campaigned in the City of Detroit recently, the Mayor did not attend the rally, saying he didn’t want to hurt the presumptive Democratic nominee’s chances.

    Granholm has other reasons she might want to fire the mayor. Because of Michigan’s ongoing recession, coupled with a tax increase she signed into law last year, Granholm’s job approval has dropped dramatically. A decision to get rid of the mayor would take her sagging approval from the mid-thirties to the mid-seventies or higher, probably overnight. Granholm has scheduled her removal hearing for September 3rd.

    It is probably not a coincidence that the date she has chosen is the day before Sen. John McCain’s scheduled acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. The timing assures that almost everyone in Michigan will be concentrating on the mayor in Detroit, not on the GOP convention in Minneapolis. So, the Democrats win round one on Kilpatrick.

    However, even if he is removed, Republican Attorney General Mike Cox said that he expects the assault charges will be tried in the next 90 days. He said at the time he announced the indictments that simple assault cases like this almost always go to trial within three months. That means the high profile trial should occur in late October or early November, right before the election. In fairness to Cox, his timeframe is absolutely consistent with how other similar cases are handled. Round two to the Republicans.

    Democrats hope Kilpatrick’s removal from office will insulate Obama from any connection to Kilpatrick, just as they hope Obama’s renunciation of Wright will end the controversy about his former pastor. However, radio talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin have all kept up the drumbeat about Obama, Wright, and white radical Will Ayres.

    It’s hard to believe that this association will not be the subject of TV ads in the weeks before the election, even though Obama has distanced himself from his former pastor. And, you can also expect that pro-McCain forces will try to tie Wright, Kikpatrick and Obama together in Michigan, no matter what happens to Mayor Kilpatrick. In office or out, guilty or not guilty, the clip of Kilpatrick introducing Wright does not go away. Neither does the clip of Obama defending his former “spiritual leader” or the clip of Wright saying “it’s not God Bless America, it’s God Damn America.”

    With Kilpatrick all over the news for his assault trial at the same time as the Obama/Kilpatrick/Wright ads are on TV, it may well be that the final round goes to McCain, perhaps by a knockout. Michigan is a pivotal state for both Obama and McCain. The final results might hinge on guilt through association. It would be more than ironic if two African-Americans, Kwame Kilpatrick and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are responsible for Barack Obama’s loss in Michigan. And, it is hard to write a scenario where a Democrat can be elected president without winning Michigan.

  40. WTF? Now she’s not the keynote speaker, simply one of four, and they got some big surprise. These people are total asses!

  41. this has got to make you sick

    NEW YORK ( — Nearly two-thirds of U.S. companies and 68% of foreign corporations do not pay federal income taxes, according to a congressional report released Tuesday.

    The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes – despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue

  42. Re Rendell, here’s what I’m emailing to Rendell at
    h t t p : / /

    Dear Governor Rendell:

    When Hillary wants to communicate with her supporters, she does it by
    speaking to supporters in front of a video camera, which video is then
    circulated through the supporters’ network. For example, c. July 31, a
    video was made in which she said that she DOES want to be placed in
    nomination and have a roll call, for, among other purposes,
    ‘catharsis.’ This was credible because we had the statement of several
    supporters who attended the event, a small fundraiser in California.
    Eventually one of them produced more video and a transcript so we had
    the whole thing in context.

    Since your directive contradicts the video, I wonder if yours was
    based on a false story in the NY Daily about that time, picked up by
    AOL — but soon debunked by the video.

    FYI, for quality control among Democratic staff, here is a
    communication I have received from another concerned Democrat who
    phoned your office:
    Just spoke to somebody at PA Democratic Party headquarters to whom
    I was passed along by Rendell’s office. This guy claims that Rendell
    is only respecting the wishes of Hillary Clinton, and that I evidently
    don’t know beans about his relationship with Hillary.

  43. The poisonous Mareen Dowd targets Hillary again. They are all getting worried as Obama flubs, flips, flops, flims and flams.

    While Obama was spending three hours watching “The Dark Knight” five time zones away, and going to a fund-raiser featuring “Aloha attire” and Hawaiian pupus, Hillary was busy planning her convention.

    You can almost hear her mind whirring: She’s amazed at how easy it was to snatch Denver away from the Obama saps. Like taking candy from a baby, except Beanpole Guy doesn’t eat candy. In just a couple of weeks, Bill and Hill were able to drag No Drama Obama into a swamp of Clinton drama.

    Now they’ve made Barry’s convention all about them — their dissatisfaction and revisionism and barely disguised desire to see him fail. Whatever insincere words of support the Clintons muster, their primal scream gets louder: He can’t win! He can’t close the deal! We told you so!

    Hillary’s orchestrating a play within the play in Denver. Just as Hamlet used the device to show that his stepfather murdered his father, Hillary will try to show the Democrats they chose the wrong savior. [snip]

    Hillary feels no guilt about encouraging her supporters to mess up Obama’s big moment, thus undermining his odds of beating John McCain and improving her odds of being the nominee in 2012.

    She’s obviously relishing Hillaryworld’s plans to have multiple rallies in Denver, to take out TV and print ads and to hold up signs in the hall that read “Denounce Nobama’s Coronation.” [snip]

    She said she thought it would be good for party unity if her gals felt “that their voices are heard.” But that’s disingenuous. Hillary was the one who raised the roll-call idea at the end of May with Democrats, who were urging her to face the math. She said she wanted it for Chelsea, oblivious to how such a vote would dim Obama’s star turn. Ever since she stepped aside in June, she’s been telling people privately that there might have to be “a catharsis” at the convention, signaling she wants a Clinton crescendo.

    Bill continues to howl at the moon — and any reporters in the vicinity — about Obama; he’s starting to make King Lear look like Ryan Seacrest. [snip]

    The Clintons know that a lot of Democrats are muttering that their solipsistic behavior is “disgusting.” But they’re too filled with delicious schadenfreude at the wave of buyer’s remorse that has swept the Democratic Party; many Democrats are questioning whether Obama is fighting back hard enough against McCain, and many are wondering, given his inability to open up a lead in a country fed up with Republicans, if race will be an insurmountable factor.

    Some Democrats wish that Obama had told the Clintons to “get in the box” or get lost if they can’t show more loyalty, rather than giving them back-to-back, prime-time speaking gigs at the convention on Tuesday and Wednesday. Al Gore clipped their wings in 2000, triggering their wrath by squeezing both the president and New York Senate candidate into speaking slots the first night and then ushering them out of L.A.

    Wednesday will be all Bill. The networks will rerun his churlish comments from Africa about Obama’s readiness to lead and his South Carolina meltdowns. TV will have more interest in a volcanic ex-president than a genteel veep choice.

    Obama also allowed Hillary supporters to insert an absurd statement into the platform suggesting that media sexism spurred her loss and that “demeaning portrayals of women … dampen the dreams of our daughters.” This, even though postmortems, including the new raft of campaign memos leaked by Clintonistas to The Atlantic — another move that undercuts Obama — finger Hillary’s horrendous management skills. [snip]

    It would have been better to put this language in the platform: “A woman who wildly mismanages and bankrupts a quarter-of-a-billion-dollar campaign operation, and then blames sexism in society, will dampen the dreams of our daughters.”

  44. texan4, thanks. I went through that thread at hcf.n and pulled out the contact info:

    I just talked with Mary Isenhour, IN PERSON. …. She said until Hillary signs the petition, she will stand her ground.
    … When they transfer you to the campaign office, ask for Mary.
    phone: 717-920-8470
    Mary Isenhour, executive director of the state Democratic Party in Pennsylvania,

    phone: 717-920-8470

    There is a PUMA in PA movement and site. Let me dig up the url.
    Here is the email contact of the person who runs the site:
    Contact him/her, and sign up, please.

    Email #2: Mary Isenhour to me
    The Governor made a simple request in ASKING delegates to refrain from signing the petitions until Senator Obama and Senator Clinton have negotiated and the wishes of Senator Clinton are known.

  45. Maureen belongs in the gutter, where all the other slimey creatures live. That woman needs some professional help, and some psychotropic medication. What vitrolic hatred, she spews. I wonder, if she lies awake at night, thinking about all the vile things she can write. Unfortunately, the PUMA movement is beyond Hillary, at this point in time. It is about democracy, something the democratic party has forgotton about, or pushed asunder.

  46. Neeta, I think that when Edwards endorsed Obama he also turned his delegates over to Obama. I don’t know how binding that is.

  47. Idunn Says:

    August 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
    The only way that SOB would DARE to yank her keynote address is if he gave her the vp spot.

    Yup. That also explains rendell memo.

  48. Hi everyone

    I am off to bed but it is important I say this in response to the above post by Carbynew about PumaPac’s events in “a beautiful park” in Denver by an Indiana group.

    That group was one that was kicked out of 18millionvoices because

    1.) the new leader of that group, a woman by the name of Sarraha went around the 18Millionvoices organizer and tried to elicit the support of our members to have a NOBAMA event in our name.

    We have NO PROBLEM with anyone wanting to do NOBama. That is their business. But 18millionvoices rise hillary rise is ALL ABOUT HILLARY and ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

    WE hold the permits for these parks and we will not allow disruption of our events.

    I am PERSONALLY beginning to think there is something fishy in all of this with these groups.

    They even named their group “The Rise”

    The woman who hijacked SOME from our group and started her crappy website is , I THINK, either a bot or a republican.

    She claims to be a big hillary supporter, and maybe she is, but she sure has a funny way of doing it. If she is so big into Hillary, why would she have to do a big NOBama thing in the middle of our celebration? Sounds like a BOT to me trying to cause trouble.


    Please refer to that site ONLY for information.

    We have had quite a bit of trouble from this chick and she seems to be trying to mirror EVERYTHING we have planned to cause PROBLEMS for REAL HILLARY ONLY SUPPORTERS.

    Please, again, the website is the ONLY place for REAL INFO and I am mad as hell at this chick for trying to splinter our efforts, for which we have worked VERY HARD and paid out of our own pockets for all the permits and other things REQUIRED and we will NOT ALLOW our efforts to be turned into a circus (we DO NOT take donations and if anyone says they are us and asks for money, please let us know)


  49. PS

    Their website and other PUMSPAC sites are advertising the same times and dates AND PARKS as the ones we hold the permits for.

    Permit jumping to cause trouble?

    Sounds like HRC supporters now, doesn’t it?

    (yea, right)

  50. Thanks Norma Desmond for the information. We are compiling a list of pro-Hillary and NObama events around the country and in Denver. We are being extra cautious in compiling that list.

    Also, we have been warning for months that Hillary supporters need to be careful.

    We do not provide information to anyone about accounts nor has information been hacked from this site. Some posters have used the same information and email accounts to sign up with other websites and their identities have been hijacked that way.

    Some websites that purport to be pro-Hillary are not. Some posters (particularly at other sites) purport to be pro-Hillary but they are not. There are Obama imposters. Obama thugs do their best to disrupt because that is the only way their mess-iah can win.

    Be careful all.

  51. I also want to make this clear.

    I PERSONALLY BELIEVE that ALMOST ALL the PUMS/JJSND sites are on the up-and-up, and like me, believe our democracy and OUR Democratic Party has been turned into something we no longer recognize, and are committed to try and retain. That being said, I also believe there are individuals in the coalition who may be plants here to cause trouble.

    just sayin’ – keep your eyes open

    Not everything NObama, IS really NOBama

  52. Admin, I really appreciate your support in this. You know what happened with the Ohio groups. We think the same thing is going on here.

  53. well, then no worries birdgal. Not a chance in hell he’d ask her. He seems to hate her, and his ego has him believing he’s like a total rockstar. he’s an idiot.

  54. A bot, interrupted the radio show tonight, but was quickly put in her place, by one of the moderators. Apparently, she has a shadow anti-puma website, and tries to cause problems on some of the various pro-puma sites. A major problem, is that, she is spreading misinformation around the net.

  55. Let me put it this way, if Obama had two choices left for VP, Hillary or Edwards, he’d choose Edwards. Hillary or Chris Dodd, he’d choose Dodd. Hillary or Pelosi, he’d choose Pelosi. Hillary or Chuck Schumer, he’d choose Schumer. Get the picture?

  56. gov warner makes sense as i bet he will run for pres in ’12. recall he wanted to run this yr and had lots of netrrots support but found the money too dry with and obama. so he runs as a senator in 12. it should be hillary but once again she is degraded.

  57. Have you ever seen anyone politicize an agenda the was bambi does. If we wait long enough he will probably give on of us the keynote speaker role. McCaskill will be a treat to watch if boring and stupid is your thing. Where is doctor death when we need him-oh please mr. prosecutor let him practice his specialty one more time. I am opposed to assisted suicides except in this case,

  58. Texan, he decided not to run because there was no room to the right of Hillary. She was sucking up the moderate wing.

  59. mj: if you believe he is calling the shots then you are probably right. But if you believe others are then different result. You do not take the key not speaker away from her after you have announed it. If you do then you create a big disequillibrium in the party. Her people will be there and they will be mobilized. There is too much at stake here for the powers that be to leg him go stupid. Rendell was telling us something I think. Whether we like the idea of her as vp is an entirely different matter. The other thing to realize is the agenda will continue to change. Warner is a businessman and globalist so he would be acceptable to the real power brokers like Rohatyn. Google him thats where the power is.

  60. mj: point of clarification. He did not say warner would be vp did he. Just that he would be keynote speaker in a convention I wont watch, but may attend. Or did I miss something?

  61. mj: I am sorry I said it wrong. My point was not that he could not take it away WITHOUT OFFERING HER SOMETHING OF EQUAL OR GREATER VALUE–like the vp position. Sorry for the capital letters. I do not see her coming out of this with nothing.

  62. all i know is something is up here. but what? is she vp? is she being denied the keynote bc she is demanding a vote? what in the hell is going on. 2 wks till denver and its crazy as hell.

  63. I am at a complete loss on how to deal with my gay brothers and sisters when it comes to Obama v McCain and gay rights. Over and over again I hear dismay about don’t ask don’t tell. I have talked til I am blue in the face about it was a huge first step and the first by a sitting president to grant equality. I am, however, shot down. They sold us out is what I hear. When I say Hillary was the first and only First lady to march in a gay pride parade. I am told Obama is about including everyone. When I bring up Mcklurkin/Mary Mary/ the failure to have his pic taken with Newsome. I am told it is all propaganda. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

  64. If you have not already I implore all to follow at least one of the daily prowls put forth by PUMAPAC and that is to send Gerldine Ferraro I handwritten thankyou. She was the first to call the manufactured accusations of racism what they were and the first to point out the blatant misogny exhibited by the media. Lets let her know we appreciate all she has done before the convention.

    Geraldine A. Ferraro
    575 Park Ave
    New York, NY 10065-7332

  65. It could be the latter. But if it is then that is a negotiation position bambi had better not let it go to impasse on. The idea that he would deny her supporters a vote is something that will blow up the convention. Remember Gary Mauro video Admin posted 3 days ago. And we need to get everybody to denver who can go. She has got him over a barrel on it and she should hold firm. If you think about it this giving everyone a chance to vote is HUGE for her. It has defined her since she was registering Hispanics in Texas 35 years ago and I am sure she feels same about sds.

  66. ABM 90: This one is for you. Wrote it for a possible PUMA article but decided to discard because it is too long. Tried to post earlier but it did not seem to go through. General Gavin was 82nd Airborne and a great leader. You will enjoy the links as well.

    1. THEIR CHALLENGE: During the 1940’s the United States and its allies fought a war against Nazi Germany to save democracy. The most dramatic and decisive event of that war was the Allied invasion of Fortress Europe at Normandy France on D-Day June 6, 1944, dubbed Operation Overlord. The Supreme Allied Commander Dwight Eisenhower had delayed the invasion for weeks due to bad weather and by the time it was launched the wind was still bad. This made the move hazardous but also contributed to its surprise effect. The destination was kept secret to prevent the enemy from concentrating its defensive forces to meet them. As they crossed the English Channel our soldiers learned that the destination would be the Bay of Seine between Caen and Cherbourg. The beaches named Omaha, Utah, Red, Gold and Sword. See:

    The invasion began with the moonlight drop of American paratroopers from the 82nd and 101st Airborne divisions. Their mission was to cut enemy communications lines, seize key positions and thereby clear the way for the massive beach assault which was to occur later that day But when their planes approached the drop zone they encountered heavy fog, and German guns. They could not be discharged at the precise locations planned. As they parachuted to the ground they encountered a situation that no one had fully anticipated. Clearly, they could not ask Eisenhower what to do. So they did the next best thing—they improvised. They remembered their mission, forged new tactics, and fought on victory. By 0430 they captured the key town of Ste-Mere-Eglise. They cut enemy communication. They never ever gave up. And they saved democracy from the threat of their time. They were the tip of the spear. See:

  67. it just feels so odd all this. it feels like the story is not done on this. but perhaps im deluded

  68. Henry, the words, chickens to the slaughter come to mind. If thats what hopium addicts choose to believe then leave them to it, its going to be nigh on impossible to get them out of that mindset.

  69. wbboei Says:
    August 13th, 2008 at 2:22 am
    Obama is a front man. He is not calling the shots.

    At this point, who is?

  70. As we know Obama is going to get his ass handed to him on foreign policy and the polls just showed it.

    The majority of Americans (59%) regard Russia’s ongoing invasion of neighboring Georgia as a threat to U.S. national security, but less than a third (31%) believe the United States should take any diplomatic action against Russia.

    Just over half (51%) also believe that John McCain is the best equipped of the two major presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, while 36% believe Barack Obama is the better of the two to deal with this kind of situation. (Yep only a 1/3 back you bambi)

    Seventy-six percent (76%) of Americans say they have been following news stories on Russia attacking Georgia. (which mean a lot of people saw bambi waffle in the wind on holiday not giving a shit)

    However where bambi is going to lose this is? The women and Rassmussen even try and spin it, whats wrong with this sentence……

    Women are more concerned than men over the Russia-Georgia situation. Sixty-three percent (63%) of women regard it as at least a somewhat serious threat to U.S. national security versus 54% of men who feel that way. Women also have more confidence in Obama to deal with a similar crisis than men do. Men prefer McCain to Obama in such a situation 56% to 30%, but 40% of women think Obama could handle it best. More women (46%), however, still think McCain is the man for the job.

    How does McCain beating Obama 46 to 40 mean more women prefer bambi, what a crock.

    lol so Security moms do not trust Obama and the men well, they went with the veteran by a large margin.

    and where bambi is really in trouble is this and its delicious …….

    Although 85% of Republicans believe McCain is the better of the two presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, only 61% of Democrats feel that way about Obama. More than one-out-of-five Democrats (22%) think the Republican presidential candidate would handle it better than the prospective candidate of their own party.

    Well that says it all. There’s your marker 39% of Democrats dont think bambi can be trusted to keep the country safe. Game over!

  71. So to get a ticket for the convention, you must give up six hours to the campaign. That is so morrally bankrupt. People are pissed.

    This is so communistic. Next it will be forced volunteering. How about some brown shirts, litle caps, some badges, leather strap and salute classes. Can people not see whats happening here. They are making this into what the germans did in the 30’s, what the russians did, what happened to the eastern europeans and the north koreans.

    There is some serious herding of sheep going on. Who would have guessed it would be the democrats becoming the dictators.

  72. moonpluto:

    And…if BHObots are good little sheep baa-baa-baaing, and can herd other wandering sheep into the fold becoming “unified,” lining up and pledging allegiance to the “O banner”, they may qualify for enough stamps in the good behavior-book that they earn a “folkswagen” – or volkswagen – as Adolph rewarded his do-gooders. Need to make sure it’s a hybrid however.

  73. con,
    I heard it at hcsfjm.

    here’s a clip of the recruiting bots in action. Packs of them in Virginia. The beginning ad is annoying and may play twice but then you’ll see what I’m talking about. The bots PAYING people to register. (ad h t t p)

    I think it’s pretty clear they’re paying people–and those 19 year old kids are not taking s

  74. OTT,

    I confess I sometimes have vivid dreams and the one last night was clear that an Obama/Clinton ticke would be a disaster on many levels.

    I’ll stop now.

  75. I’m begining to think Obama and British PM Brown are like that guy in Bedazzled.

    In the film the devil offers the guy 7 wishes to get everything he wants but doesnt tell him how.

    He accepts, however he does get what he wants but in the most painful way ever. He gets what he wants but it always ends in tragedy and disaster for himself and everyone around.

    Hence he sold his soul but everyone around him paid for it with death and destruction and ruin.

    Sounds familiar.

  76. The only way i’d see Hillary take a vp spot was if she knew Obama would be forced off the ticket before the election or be forced impeachment after the election. She’s not stupid.

  77. You know what, the best thing McCain can do is to ask Obama, “just exactly have you done to qualify you as President or for that matter Senator” After all he really only has spent 1 year doing anything the senate, he spent the last 3 years running for Pres.

    Why doesnt McCain just run an ad asking the question “Think hard, Can you name 1 thing Obama has actually done for America or one thing he’s done to qualify to be President”

    Answers on a postcard please.

  78. Moononpluto

    folks could actually forgo the postcard and just write their answers on the back of the stamp.

  79. This is THE MOST UNQUALIFIED AND PRETENTIOUS FOOL the Democrat(?)s have EVER put forth as a nominee.

    But now with Brazile/Hermann/Clyburn/Patrick now making all the key decisions in every stage of this primary and election and because of an over 90+% “approval” rating among African Americans, the MAJORITY OF WHICH are supporting Obama BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, we now know the Party has a new leadership and a new direction.

    If mainstream long-term “political reporters” cannot name ONE SINGLE THING Obama has done for the country, it is DOUBTFUL that any of his supporters, of ALL ethnicities and backgrounds can.

    Talk about playing the race card? Obama is qualified because he is black, and because he is not Clinton and because he will be a puppet for the global agenda and he is a money and power whore (the same thing his hopium denizens accuse Clinton of). After all, Dodd, Biden, even Richardson (who is trying more and more to look like a fat Che Guevara) and ALL OTHERs WHO RAN WERE MORE EXPERIENCED and more “moderate”. Screw Howard Dean and his so called leadership. Once again, very few American give a rat’s ass anymore about someone’s SKIN COLOR. Their philosophy and achievements and visions are what matter. And as the polls show, among many AA’s, racism is the number one issue.

  80. wbb, no, I said Warner will NOT be Vp. Since he is keynote, he won’t be VP. Plus he’s going to be the next Senator from VA. But Obama couls care a less about Hill’s negotiating position.


    Praying for Rain on Obama’s Speech. The video has already been pulled, as thought inappropriate.


  82. # carbynew Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Barack Obama – Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?

    Sam Vaknin, Ph.D. – 8/13/2008

    This describes the fraudulent one to a tee.

  83. I kmew the Russian/Georgia situration would play out that way with voters (the 2a.m. phone call). Just like the lack of a really ability to even verbalize his energy plan resulted in get a tune up, inflate tires. etc etc.

    He lacks the indepth knowledge, as he just has not been around long enough. You cannot relie on your staff, and must have the fundamentals down. He probably would have a hard time finding his way around the Senate Chambers, let along be able to turn on a dime and give the right response internationally. First he would have to figure out where that country was an the complex history they each have.

    McCain has been there 3 times (he probably was briefed each time before he wen), and understands that the American response carries great weight.

    Obama says they need to just show some restraint, and work this out, or inflate your tires.

    Certainly there are things that we as individuals can do in every situation, but what we want from a President is


    God, I am afraid that he just does not get it.


  84. Norma, I doubt very much that 90% AAs are supporting the empty O. We own a business — all day everyday we are talking to people and about half of all AAs we talk to have confided that they secretly want Hillary! Yes! They say they have to pretend to support O, but it is not what they want AND, get this, we hear they often confide in us that they plan to vote for McCain if Hill is not the one. We hear this so often lately that I just had to tell you.

  85. “… These – the lack of empathy, the aloofness, the disdain, the sense of entitlement, the constricted sense of humor, the unequal treatment and the paranoia – render the narcissist a social misfit. The narcissist is able to provoke in his milieu, in his casual acquaintances, even in his psychotherapist, the strongest, most avid and furious hatred and revulsion. To his shock, indignation and consternation, he invariably induces in others unbridled aggression.”

    This may explain why the bots behave so aggressively towards non-believers, and also explain the visceral reaction some have towards
    the fraud, aside from the fact that he could place our country in serious peril.

  86. lil ole grape

    thank you! I was just so NOT UNDERSTANDING other than for pride, which I understand, why SO MANY AA’s would believe this guy has THEIR interests at heart. There is nothing in his past that supports that. Just look at all those freezing people in his district.

    I imagine it’s the paid Obamabot bloggers *white boys 18 years old in mama’s basement that are precipitating the intimidation of the community Obama claims to be a part of.

    I just can’t stand ANYTHING about this man or his campaign.

  87. I’ll have alot of fun explaining that I’m a former Democrat, turned Independent , who doesn’t agree with most of McCain’s political ideology, but who supports him (and will work her ass off for him!) because I’m scared to death of an Obama administration.

    Oh, how times have changed.

  88. And I really am going to look into having a yard sign made that says, “I can live with McCain” . 🙂

  89. Intelligent AAs like intelligent everybody else do see through this guy — dimwit media talks of AAs as if they were brainless sheep being herded to the O fold — it’s b.s.

  90. If Hillary is VP that won’t change a thing about how I view Obama and he still will not get my vote. I have already given money to the McCain campaign.

    I’m not going to hold it against Hillary if the VP spot happens though…she probably has no choice but to accept the position if offered to her, otherwise she would be villified for trying to cause Obama’s defeat. She might feel that if Bozo gets elected at least she would be there to try to influence the things he does. If he doesn’t get elected she can simply go back to the senate and run again in 2012.

    I know some here will attack her if she gets VP but I think she is being strategic. She would be keeping her enemies close to her in a political takeover that she cannot stop at the moment. Just my two cents…

  91. Hillary will do what Hillary needs to do…and I will do what I need to do.

    Country before party! That’s just how I roll.

  92. Some inspiration;

    I’m not watching the olympics but I just tuned it to the news in time to hear that Cuba had executed a stunning come-from-behind victory over China. I don’t understand volleyball scoring (or any other for that matter) but China pummeled Cuba in the first 2 matches and then the Cuban women dessimated China.

    moral (i guess): it’s never over ’til it’s over.

    Also, just heard the McCain “Pain” video on MSNBC.)

  93. # carbynew Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    A lot of democrats are buying John Kerry belief that Obama can buy himself the president in the fall because he will have the money to purchase ad money in late september and early November.

    Ads alone cannot cover up for such a poor candidate with such a thin resume, and who has shown such little “chops” on the campaign trail and in debates.

    Air power is very important, but you need a good ground game. Substance matters.

  94. rgb44hrc

    I agree. I tune BHO ads out as soon as they come on. I really don’t listen to McCain’s either. I have looked at their resumes, past performance, and how they are reacting during the present. Even O’s reluctance to debate has weight in on this. He does not like to really interact with the people.

    If throwing money at it would guarantee a win, he would have won over HRC in many of those major blue states he needs so badly.

    Also with the bullying going on, I think we will see a lot of people voting different in the Democratic area than the polls say (we have see O over poll in the HRC match up). Within the party itself, I saw inner party people afraid of expressing their opinons, but whispering to you that they really supported HRC. They want to stay a part of the Dems.

    I think in part to pick up the pieces.

  95. there’s a limit to how many ads are effective… recall what happened during PA primary? — people were sick of seeing O’s face on the screen and his voice droning in their ears.. I hope he spends billions plastering himself everywhere — it’s called overexposure and it’s a real killer. THink how he outspent Hillary in the big states — it did him no good…so, I wouldn’t worry about the money

  96. What does everyone REALLY think about HRC being yanked from the keynote speaker role?

    Is it another unspeakable insult?
    Is it a sign she may have more options then is being reported?
    Is it because SHE doesn’t want the position?

  97. I wish I knew. I don’t have enought indepth knowledge of the Democratic bullying process to even know what that means.

    I can tell you, if I were a Delegate and my Governor tryied to strong arm me, I would ask for where in the rule book he had a right to do that, I would go public, and I would sign the HRC petition, whether I was voting for her or not.

    But then I believe in Democracy first, country second, and the Dems third.

  98. Idunn Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
    I’m starting to think that I might volunteer with the McCain campaign.

    I’m serious.

    I had that same thought yesterday. I can’t believe it.

  99. basil9 Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 10:39 am
    What does everyone REALLY think about HRC being yanked from the keynote speaker role?

    Is it another unspeakable insult?
    Is it a sign she may have more options then is being reported?
    Is it because SHE doesn’t want the position?

    Basil, the keynote speaker position may have been misinformation, according to, what I was reading on The Confluence and Pumapac. Some people are saying, she never had the position. So, who knows?

  100. Idunn:

    I HAVE started volunteering for McCain….a little queitly for now.

    And I have come up with my own 18-20 bullets/reasons on “I can live with McCain”…

    The day BO announces his vp and this damn convention is over, I will publish those bullets here!!

    I have sent them to 6 of my closest PUMAs!

  101. Idunn,

    You are really on a roll today with your comments. I’m 100% behind ya!

    We all know that Obama isn’t narcissitic at all. He’s just confident! 😉

    A repost from yesterday in case everytone didn’t see it.

    1. independent2008 Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
    Just received this from Gretawire: LOL!!!!!! What a coward!
    He can’t even face down the little people, let alone terrorists. Michelle probably fights for him
    August 12, 2008
    Senator Obama: Don’t Run From Us!
    We have invited and invited Senator Obama to come to ON THE RECORD at 10pm — every other candidate has…and both Senator McCain and Senator Clinton each appeared with us on ON THE RECORD multiple times. Both Senators Clinton and McCain will say we gave them a fair interview and a chance to explain their policies. Senator Obama will not come to our show (incidentally, he did appear pre announcement to his candidacy for President and I know he thought we are fair at ON THE RECORD..and we are fair.)
    The very popular Marie Claire magazine did an interview with Senator Obama (click below to the magazine) and now I know why Senator Obama won’t go ON THE RECORD at 10pm. He has a personal gripe with Fox. Let’s a get a few things straight:
    1. On ON THE RECORD, we never went after his wife Michelle. As for my colleagues, if he has a beef with them, he should talk to them, confront them …they are a lot easier to face off than Iran, Syria, North Korea etc. I hope, if elected, Senator (then President) Obama would not hold grudges that might inhibit his ability to face down what he might perceive as unfair opponents.
    2. I suspect he is upset with what we DID do at 10pm ON THE RECORD. Yes, we pounded and pounded and pounded him about Reverend Wright. And guess what? Ultimately Senator Obama AGREED WITH US and finally distanced himself from Reverend Wright…(although it took a personal swipe to Senator Obama by Reverend Wright at the National Press Club to open his eyes…it does not escape my attention that when Rev Wright was only attacking others, he only disavowed Rev Wright’s words and not Reverend Wright…I would have preferred if Senator Obama had opened his eyes long before the personal attack on him.) However, I would certainly welcome an open and frank discussion about my handling of the Reverend Wright situation — or even move on to other topics like energy, war, campaign strategy etc. He could pick the topic…I am not fussy and there are many important things that our Fox News audience (the LARGEST cable news audience) wants to hear him talk about. (And here is a tip to the Senator Obama campaign — we have many undecided viewers….I know because our show email inbox proves it….it might be a good idea to reach out to them before they go elsewhere.)
    To read the Marie Claire magazine:
    click here…
    Read more and weigh in now now on GretaWire!
    Also check out the comments sections. They are hysterical!

  102. Let me say this;
    What if the democratic party has already be hijacked by the globalists and all who are in it are being told what to do, including Dean, BO and Hillary???
    This whole thing smells so badly of fish!!
    Something is up and we are not getting the real deal, I wonder if this is really meant to stump the repuks and that is why Rendell a.k.a. staunch Hillary supporter, told us to get in line and shut up or maybe I am just a bad slueth? LOL!!

  103. Does anyone else think that this whole Invesco Field thing is going to be some huge event coronating the President and VP pick for the Dems. I think we will not know who it will be til just before they walk out on stage, unless someone spills the beans.
    Does anyone remember the debate where he and Hillary sat together and the next day they had all these questions about the marriage of the two democrats. It was all pretty sickening, but they showed them together on stage looking at each other??
    I think the Invesco Field thing will be the same thing. Remember the media was on that for days. It would give the dems the bounce they need and be the talk for quiet a while. Think of it, even if McCain chose a woman it would be the same.
    We have, let’s face it an Obama that is nice looking and we all know that HIllary is gorgeous, so putting them up there together would be something. I think this is it!

  104. Obama nice looking? Hmmm…..not my cup of tea and I am black.

    I am not just saying this because I don’t like him personally, but I never gave him a second look from the beginning.

  105. Obama nice looking? Hmmm…..not my cup of tea and I am black.

    Same here. All I see when I look at him is Jack Skellington.

  106. OH you guys, he is athletic and clean cut, speaks wells, all I am saying is that the media loves him. We all know Hillary, as I have seen her in person, she really is radiant, those blue eyes have lights behind them. THey are just like my daughter’s eyes, they are beautiful.
    On stage together they are quiet something to see, I just want Hillary in the top spot.

  107. mj: there are two possible interpetations here:

    1. Obama has total control. He does whatever he wants. Nothing moves without his say so. He is Joseph Stalin on sterioids. He does not care about Hillarys negotiation and that is why he has has this attorney spending hundreds of hours tying to negoiate a settlement. He will shove unity down everyones throats at gunpoint it he has to. He wins Hillay loses everyone falls in line.

    2. The theory of chaos. Obama cannot prove he is an American citizen or he real name is Obama. He has has a hard time finding someone who will agree to be his vp. Bill Clinton has a score to settle with him and does not need a convention spot to do it. Many superdelegates are as mad as we are about what is going on. Suprise sheduledto hit on August 23. His people are paranoid. Big media is racheting up the lies. The party is in danger of fracturing. So he is playing musical chairs with the agenda thinking that we will be impressed. Oh I do think he does not want a convention vote and I think Hillary is demanding one. He shot himself in the foot when he took the keynote speaker job away from her because as someone said above that it a signal-and the signal he unwittingly sent was if you want to be president you had better fight it out now. The other possibility is they have reached an agreement that she will be vice president and are trying to figure out how to promote in the face of groups like puma etc.

  108. Henry – I told a State legislator that Obama was not planning to march in the Chicago Pride Parade – and she said she would write a letter to him to implore him to show support of the gay community – of course, he decides to play basketball that day.

    I think another tactic will be the DNC issue – with the lawsuit from the former GLBT outreach person, and Howard Dean, Donna Brazile and others attempts to deny GLBT more delegates to the Convention while maintaining or upping the numbers for visible minorities like AAs.

    I think with the gay/lesbian community – you have to chip away… like with the story of Gavin Newsom and BO avoiding a picture with him after the city hall marriages. A majority will vote for the Democrat no matter what, but you might say just enough to convince many to stay home on election day.

  109. National Enquirer Bombshell.

    The ENQUIRER has uncovered bombshell new details about the John Edwards sex scandal after the former presidential candidate finally admitted he’d cheated on his cancer-stricken wife Elizabeth!

    Edwards’ headline-making admission confirmed The ENQUIRER’s blockbuster world exclusive reports detailing his affair, in articles Edwards brazenly called “completely untrue” and “tabloid trash” while running for president and afterward.

    And now The ENQUIRER has uncovered that Edwards’ political operatives are still paying his mistress Rielle Hunter – and she was whisked away on a private jet two days before he confessed their extramarital affair on national TV!

    The ENQUIRER has also confirmed that Edwards secretly visited Rielle and their love child three separate times at the Beverly Hilton hotel in Los Angeles this year – a fact that proves he is still lying to America and his wife.

    ENQUIRER reporters caught Edwards, 55, making a late-night visit to 44-year-old Rielle and their daughter at the hotel on July 21 – which prompted us to release the first-ever photograph of him with his love child last week.

    NOW, The ENQUIRER has uncovered more blockbuster information, including:

    After Edwards confessed the affair to his wife, he restarted it, and was sexually involved with Rielle when she became pregnant.

    Despite his denials, Edwards WAS aware that his former finance committee chairman, Fred Baron, was funneling money to Rielle.

    Experts are now calling for a federal investigation into Edwards’ use of campaign funds.

    In an interview with ABC’s Nightline correspondent Bob Woodruff on Aug. 8, the former North Carolina senator admitted for the first time that he engaged in what he called a “short” extramarital affair with campaign worker Rielle Hunter.

    Edwards told ABC the affair was limited to 2006, before he confessed “the mistake” to wife Elizabeth, 59, who is battling a recurrence of breast cancer.

    But Edwards denied he’s the father of Rielle’s daughter, who was born on Feb. 27, 2008. The ENQUIRER reported last December that Hunter had told close confidantes that he was the father.

    In denying he fathered Rielle’s baby, Edwards told ABC that he would “be happy” to take a paternity test to prove he’s telling the truth. (He has refused numerous previous requests by The ENQUIRER to take a paternity test.)

    Edwards claimed he ended the affair in 2006, but sources say he restarted the illicit romance after confessing to his wife.

    Rielle soon became pregnant after the affair was rekindled, say sources.

    The ongoing ENQUIRER investigation has also confirmed that he has been with Rielle and the baby three times this year in California.

    “John Edwards is still lying!” a close source told The ENQUIRER.

    “He lied to his wife Elizabeth, he’s lying to Rielle and he lied all the way through his TV interview!”
    The about the NE is that the best information is in the magazine..they do get more specific in the magazine.

    What I do find very interesting is the money angle the NE is going after…like the statement “ENQUIRER has uncovered that Edwards’ political operatives are still paying his mistress Rielle Hunter.”

    Former finance committee chairman Fred Baron. (and when did he become a Obama fundraiser?)

    Federal Investigation…

    All this coming out around Dems Convention……Drip, drip, drip. Will the NE release a video tape next?

  110. turndownobama-com Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 4:31 am
    who is calling the shots? According to my sources Rohatyn is important and so is Soros. Some of our foreign creditor nations are probably influential but are not at the table. There are elder statesmen like Hamilton, Nunn, Kennedy if he is well enough. And then there are probably a fair number of hangers on. The one thing I can tell you for sure however is contrary to popular myth Barry is not in charge. I do not think it is one individual. And they are fully aware of the economic situation we are in. I do not trust them to protect the middle class. Which is why-ironically McCain may actually be a better bet- even if we did not have a score to settle with Barry. This will all be papered over in the party platform but as we have learned with Barry the flip flopper forget about what they say and focus on what they do,

  111. I can buy the propositon that Hillary is a beautiful woman sooner than I can buy the proposition that Obama is a handsome man. But then again I have an aversion to snake oil salemen.

  112. wbboei Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    I can buy the propositon that Hillary is a beautiful woman sooner than I can buy the proposition that Obama is a handsome man. But then again I have an aversion to snake oil salemen.



    For some reason, I am very easily amused today. Actually, I like the athletic and clean-cut. But Obama…..NADA!! For some reason everytime he grins, he reminds me of the cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland.

  113. Wbboei, I do think that the power people are controlling this election, from the fraudulent voter registrations to keeping Hillary out.
    I hadn’t thought about the other countries that own a stake in the good old USA, but you certainly can see how this primary mirrors the ones in other countries. The unabashed cheating and paying off is so prevalent in other countries and now we have it here. WTF, I am beginning to believe Soros and his cohorts (other countries) are calling all the shots, even to the point of the war in Georgia.
    I watched a repuk last night on FOX say how McCain’s tough talk (akaBush) would not work in the crisis we have now with Russia.
    This only tells me that this primary is just like those in Iraq, but that they have selected both the POTUS and the VEEP so as to have 16 years to take our constitution down and make this a one world government!

  114. Bill Richardson trumpets Obama’s Georgia policy–looks like fool.
    Published by admin at 10:56 am under National Security

    It’s sad to think that Bill Richardson was once our UN Ambassador….

    On ABC’s “This Week,” Richardson, auditioning to be Barack Obama’s running mate, disqualified himself. Clinging to the Obama campaign’s talking points like a drunk to a lamppost, Richardson said that this crisis proves the wisdom of Obama’s zest for diplomacy and that America should get the U.N. Security Council “to pass a strong resolution getting the Russians to show some restraint.” Apparently Richardson was ambassador to the United Nations for 19 months without noticing that Russia has a Security Council veto.

    Obamatoid are already saying ‘but no, if we were REALLY diplomatic and charming we could get the Russian’s to go along with it’ (eventhough it calls them to the carpet for their actions).

    And they say Texas is missing a village idiot?

    Obama’s weakness apparent in response to Russia-Georgia war
    Watching the Georgia – South Ossetia war, from a Russian slant.
    Russian troops and armor head into Georgia proper in major escalation.
    Russia ends ‘punishment’ of Georgia

  115. Bill Richardson Says Russia Should Condemn Itself
    and other misadventures of an amateur shill

    Posted by: Streiff

    Governor Bill Richardson on the Conflict Between Russia and Georgia @ Yahoo!

    Richardson: “My view is that the United States — if we had a stronger relationship with Russia, we could exercise strong diplomacy to stop this effort against Georgia. We should immediately go to the United Nations Security Council, condemn Russia’s action, and then get the Security Council to pass a strong resolution getting the Russians to show some restraint [emphasis mine], and possibly at the same time generate some U.N. peacekeeping troops.

    The problem, though, is that we don’t have the kind of influence and strength in our relationship with Russia to persuade them. This has been one of the failures of the Bush administration, failing to build a strong relationship, a mutually beneficial relationship with Russia, so we’d have the kind of influence to persuade them to stop some of these very, very dangerous efforts within their territory” (“This Week,” ABC, 8/10).

    Two points on this. Russia is a member of the UN Security Council so even if we were their best friends the odds of that relationship being parlayed into a rousing self-condemnation are fairly remote.

    The second point. We know Russia’s stance on this from a meeting which was held on August 10, in which our UN Ambassador Khalizad reveals that Russia has demanded that Georgian President Saakashvili must resign to end the fighting.

    What are we to make of this startling departure from reality? If Barack Obama is elected we’d better get used to this sort of Orwellian nonsense.

    Video attached

  116. And they say Texas is missing a village idiot?
    Yes, and whenever Judas is out of state New Mexico has the same problem–and it is a good problem to have. Zest for diplomacy? No no not the vaudville cane–the pinata stick!

  117. confloyd Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
    Wbboei, right on with that cheshire cat! RPTFLMAO!!!


    Actually, I was the one who made the Cheshire Cat comment. 🙂

  118. Confloyd: right. and there is alot of pushback around the world by domestic populations against this global economic integration effort. Remeber in the last presidential election in Mexico the populist nearly won. We are seeing some of this with the European Union. So they do rig elections to achieve their objectives. And to do that in a democracy you need a bamboozler–or a beast.

  119. Obama campaign to host education roundtable in Kissimmee
    posted by Orlando Sentinel on Aug 12, 2008 7:21:45 PM

    Barack Obama’s Florida campaign has invited a group of teachers and parents to participate in an education roundtable in Kissimmee Wednesday. Florida Policy Director Ian Bassin and Jose A. Fernandez, president of the Democratic Hispanic Caucus of Orange County, will talk about Obama’s Pre-K to 12 Education Plan. The campaign says the plan would fully fund No Child Left Behind, de-emphasize standardized tests, and “empower educators and parents.”

    The campaign is also sponsoring “Educators for Obama” meetings in seven other Florida cities on Wednesday. Other surrogates, including New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, have been in the state this week as part of Obama’s Florida Forums for Change issues discussions. So far, they’ve included sessions about baby boomer retirement security, energy policy and NASA space policy.

    The Kissimmee meeting is from 12:30–2:00 PM at BVL/Robert Guevera Community Center, 501 Florida Parkway.
    What is this “Educators for Obama” group and what is their agenda?

  120. Richardson has been nothing but a bumbling fool on the campaign trail this entire YEAR. His latest gaffe over the Georgia-Russian crisis is one of his worst, and I almost hope BHO picks him for VP, simply because that ticket would implode on its own, without much prodding from McCain.

  121. Obama is the the one for the Republicans and they have bee behind him sinc his coming to the Senate.My take is that he stayed close to Hillary as she tutored him and helped him learn the ropes.His relations ship with Wright and his Bible Thumpers along with the Chicago political mob were kepy under wraps until Hillary announced her intended run for the presidency.Repugs knew that they could not win with JM and the AA sector.They had to stop her by the use of the MSM,Oil Money,Business Money,Scared Democrat polical seat money,and money from Arab groups.He was a gift from political heaven. A candidate half black,half white and self serving ambitions.Remember MO said he was not a paper person and he reassured all that he would surround himself with very experienced people(so he could pass the buck when they failed).Obama wants the chair,the logo,the plane,the prestige and all else that goes with being head of the royal family.All money,all talk,all recognition but no responsibility if he screws up.Meanwhile back in the halls of congress,the lobbyists,the MSM and his loyal cult will line up for the great giveaways that will make them all wealthy.The line forms when he says so and his “Legacy of Retributions” will fore ever hang before them and keep them moving and keep them hungry.Sounds like an African Regime in the works.Wake up you dumb good olel boys and girls.The hijacking of our country is at hand.We do not need military action to stop it,although it might get dicey with the threatened call for the restless cult to arise and recreate68. “WE NEED HILLARY” If we do’nt elect her,we deserve him.


  122. Berkeley Vox Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    Richardson has been nothing but a bumbling fool on the campaign trail this entire YEAR. His latest gaffe over the Georgia-Russian crisis is one of his worst, and I almost hope BHO picks him for VP, simply because that ticket would implode on its own, without much prodding from McCain
    He is a Latin version of Oliver Hardy–as in Laurel and Hardy.

  123. Well lookey here, the public has twigged regarding the oil drilling votes. Democrats screwed on this.

    Six out of 10 Americans (61%) say Congress should return to Washington immediately to vote on lifting the ban on offshore oil drilling, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. But voters overwhelmingly expect Congress to adjourn this year without taking action.

    Even more (67%) recognize that Republicans are the ones pushing for offshore drilling, and 77% say the issue is important to them in terms of how they will vote for Congress this November. Forty-five percent (45%) of voters say it is Very Important. Voters see a clear difference between the political parties on this issue as 61% perceive that congressional Democrats oppose offshore drilling.

    While their leaders in Congress oppose a vote on drilling, half of Democratic voters(48%) think the Democratic-led Congress should return right away to deal with it. Just 40% of Nancy Pelosi’s party disagree. Seventy eight percent (78%) of Republicans and unaffiliated voters, by a two-to-one margin, believe Congress should return to vote immediately.

    In terms of the presidential election, 80% of likely McCain voters think Congress needs to return immediately, compared to 42% of potential Obama voters. Forty-eight percent (48%) of Obama voters – and 11% of McCain voters – say there’s no rush.

    So when you work that our, 80% of the public want congress back now to deal with this.

    I smell trouble for the democratic congress here and its of their own doing.

  124. ROFL laughing Richardson asking Russia to vote itself in contempt on the UN security council, the man is a total fucking idiot. I guess he’s gonna be Obama’s Sec of State then.

  125. Yep. McCain officially won the offshore drilling war when Bambi began backpedaling last week, saying that he would be okay with it under “certain conditions.” Waffles indeed…

  126. Interesting, on the same night (Tuesday) as the women speak about women’s rights, Bob Casey will be speaking.

    WASHINGTON – Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, a Democrat who opposes abortion rights, will be a featured speaker at the party’s national convention, officials said Wednesday.

    Casey was set to speak during the convention’s session Tuesday night, his office said. He is the son of the late Pennsylvania Gov. Robert P. Casey, who was not given a marquee speaking spot at the 1992 convention because of his anti-abortion views.


    Casey said in a statement that he was honored to have the opportunity to speak. Neither he nor the Obama campaign indicated what would be the topic of his speech.

    Our country faces very grave economic, military and foreign policy challenges and many Americans of all political parties will vote for a change in November. Barack Obama is the only candidate who offers that change of direction we need,” Casey said.

    Craig Schirmer, Obama’s Pennsylvania director, said in a statement that having Casey speak reflects Obama’s desire to unify the party and country.

    The proposed Democratic platform to be voted on by delegates has a plank for abortion rights that is stronger than usual. “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right,” it says.

  127. Whitehouse Scenario:

    1. 3 am phone rings.

    2. get that MO

    3. The Russians are coming?

    4. Call Hillary and Richardson MO

    5. Ask her to bring Bill. Let them do the talkin.

    6. I am Walkin Eagle.That’s why I stole the job.


    JUst a little levity to think about. ( seriously )

    By ABM 90

  128. You are so right Sen.Casey.We do need a change in directionand OBAMA does offer that to our Great Country. ALL DOWN HILL.

    By ABM 90

  129. I wonder what those women’s groups that endorsed O are thinking now.

    It is embarrassing how they sold their souls.

    That strong plantform statement means nothing.

    Visibility of the speaker means more.

  130. AmericanGal said:
    She might feel that if Bozo gets elected at least she would be there to try to influence the things he does.
    I know some here will attack her if she gets VP but I think she is being strategic. She would be keeping her enemies close to her in a political takeover that she cannot stop at the moment.

    ‘Keeping enemies close’ is no good if you are their slave. That is what VP is. An assistant to the Pres, somone who has no power of their own, who must follow his orders — AND CANNOT EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN DISAGREEMENT.

    As VP, Obama could send her to the Pakistan/Afgan border with Sharpton and Jackson permanently so she would never be heard from.

    In the Senate she DOES have power and can MAKE the President listen — or override whatever he says — by influencing the Senate on how to treat his bills.

    I can’t imagine why she has said that though she prefers the Senate she would accept VP! In the NY Mag article early June, they said she and Bill “privately” did not think Obama could be elected (even with her on the ticket?). Maybe she thinks it’s safe to run with him since he will get beat anyway? But Bill sure isn’t acting like he wants any favor from Obama….

  131. I’ve been reading on other sites, that in order to attend Thursday night’s coronation, the only way to get a ticket, is to perform 6 hours of volunteer work for the campaign. So, the stadium will be full of 75,000 kool-aid drinkers and submissives. I can’t believe this is happening, and the leaders of the so-called democratic? party are going along with it. Absolutely disgusting.

  132. By the way, Richardson was born in CA (Maybe LA). His mother came across the boarder specificially to make him a US Citizen. He was raised in Mexico.

    In his official bio here in NM he use to leave where he was born out, until he decided to run for President.

  133. ABM90, I think you are deadon right about this whole thing is about beating Hillary on both sides. Maybe thats why Brazilla and Rove were chummy, oh what a tangled web they weaved when they practiced to deceive!
    This whole thing makes perfect sense, but how did the Soros group get into the action. I guess the elitiest have to figure in there somehow!

  134. this is a good article on why bayh is bad for women

    http:/ /

  135. confloyd: The elite spiders spin webs to entangle those of us are the grist for their mills.Can you imagine the quiet an d underlying fear and panic that took place when Hillary announced her intent to run.She has been successful so far because she is cautious and warry of too much information getting to her adversaries.She and Bill gave this country real hope and and fulfilled their promises that regular,hard working and patriotic americans would not be invisible on their watch.Barack Hussein Obama (Barry SOETORO)came along,power driven and self-enamored,to fill the “Bait and Switch candidate.”for the republicans and all other forms of rich and greedy individuals that love power and money ahead of their country.Every good or evil intent has a cause and effect explanation.They could only succeed if they acquired all forms of media and oil money in enormous amounts.Obama and his handlers have created the largest moneu laundering machine in the history of this troubled world.I did my bit in my 4 yrs in the military and I am not sorryI do hate to watch our fine youth and our treasury wasted o another go round of greedy and evil activities in the oil world and it’s path to render this country toothless.The only way to confront and stop this assault is to stop OBAMA.NOW.Remove the bait and the Sharks will lose interest for now.Stay Alert and Trust only your concious and your faith.Thaey may be all we will have left if we make the wrong choice for our next President.


    BY ABM 90

  136. be careful guys, theres an email just been sent around propporting to be from saying Obama set to win preisdency. Do not open it, it is a virus. however if you know any bots, tell them to go ahead.

  137. ABM90, That is the truth, stay alert and trust our own selves only.
    These forces are strong and so is Hillary and I think she is fighting with all she has (behind closed doors) for us. I trust whatever she does, it will be for us her decisions!

  138. I just read over at noquarter that a Hillary superdelegate has been shot in Arkansas, has anyone heard about this???

  139. 2. OUR CHALLENGE: Today we do not need to travel to Europe to save democracy. The threat to democracy is right here at home. You can see it quite clearly if you analyze what has occurred in the 2008 Democratic Primary. Traditionally, our party was committed to certain principles such as good government, the middle class and the rule of law. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton epitomizes those principles and she campaigned for them across the country. But she was viciously attacked by Big Media, and the Democratic National Committee rigged the nomination process to prevent her nomination. Instead, they have selected, promoted and coronated an elitist candidate over the expressed wishes of a majority of voters. If you want to know why then follow the money. Global business interests support his candidacy; they own Big Media; and they are major supporters of the DNC. They want a president who will continue to pursue free market policies, and they worry about one who might trim the sails a bit to protect the American People. Obama proved his value to them when he announced he is a free trader, and on the many occasions when he voted against the American People and in favor of Big Business. He is their man, and they are providing him with the most extensive marketing campaign in history to deceive low information voters. That is a threat to democracy.

    But the larger threat is systemic in nature. In the course of this campaign, Big Media, the Democratic National Committee and Obama have introduced ominous tactics into the campaign process which are not in keeping with the traditions of liberal democracy and are more in line with the world of George Orwell. The role of Big Media was to demonize Hillary and to force her out of the race. Thus they attacked her unmercifully, accused her supporters of being racists without a shred of evidence and actively conspired with the Obama campaign. In doing so they crossed the deadline from truth to propaganda. The role of the Democratic National Committee was to conspire with Karl Rove to rig the caucus system, to ignore the 2000 voter fraud complaints that ensued, and to disenfranchise the voters of two major states when it counted. Then, they forced superdelegates to select the nominee prior to the Convention, and demanded party unity on their terms with no dissent. Then, they forced Hillary to suspend her campaign and endorse their nominee. Finally, they perpetrated a fraud on their own contributors by soliciting money after the nominee had been secretly chosen. The role of Obama was to bamboozle the public and maintain plausible deniability.

    This is a threat to our democracy writ large. It falls upon our generation of Americans to fight this battle. Simply put, our D-Day is at hand. We must disperse our forces as we have and remember our mission. We can no more ask Hillary what to do than the troops under General Gavin could ask Eisenhower. Our job is to adapt to local conditions, to improvise, to beware of snipers, to ignore Axis Sally, and above all to carry out our assignments—especially those we assign to ourselves. Then, when the time is right we will consolidate our forces in Denver and launch the final assault. The word in the wind has it that we must be there and there en masse so the powers that be know that we will not go gentle into that good night. For we understand what is at stake: “Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the people have abdicated their duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out high civic office, military command, Roman legions-everything, now restrains itself and hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.” (Satire X by the Roman Poet Juvenal, 1st Century A.D.)

  140. Confloyd: The democratic Chairperson was shot in Arkansas. He is in critical condition. I read about it, on The Confluence.

  141. some guy upset he lost his job and was running around the street threatening to kill people and shot the chair.

  142. I hope Mr Gwatney is okay. Sounds like either a looney tune republican or a looney tune obamabot, who knows? They’re just about 1 in the same.

  143. Oh no.
    McCain is now using the Rocky theme song
    Doesn’t any body remember that rocky lost!

  144. He was a white guy, so its makes you wonder, apparently he lost his job and blames the democrats, I guess.
    THis is so scary because the bots have threatened everyone that is trying to get Hillary on the ballot!

  145. Not to change the subject, but why is the media pushing the leaked emails from Penn?? THey are saying that Hillary’s leadership skills weren’t showing with her campaign. WHy all of the sudden interest in slamming Hillary again??
    Anybody got any ideas why this is happening with less that 7 days until the convention??

  146. Obama’s latest gaffe: staying in a vacation house offered up by a campaign donor! So much for “change people can believe in.” I personally don’t think this is a big issue, but when Obama has been ranting all season about how he’s “above” lobbyist and donor influence, this will blow up in his face. From politico:

    Barack Obama: The coincidental tourist
    By: Carrie Budoff Brown
    August 13, 2008 10:46 AM EST

    HONOLULU – The oceanfront vacation home Barack Obama is renting this week is owned by a campaign contributor who, along with her husband, has given more than $62,000 to the Democratic Party and its presidential candidates since 2000.

    There’s nothing improper about that. Indeed, by renting the house, rather than borrowing one from wealthy friends, Obama is taking a more scrupulous approach than former President Bill Clinton, who was criticized for making a habit of vacationing for free throughout his presidency.

    But here’s the twist: According to the campaign, it is a mere coincidence that Obama, his family and friends from Chicago are staying on a sprawling Kailua beach estate owned by Jill Tate Higgins, a California businesswoman who Federal Election Commission reports show has contributed $2,300 to his campaign over the past year. Higgins is the general partner of Lakeside Enterprises, a Burbank, Calif., private family investment company listed in property tax records as the owner.

    “He has no prior relationship with her, did not speak with her during this process and had no knowledge that this was the rental home of a Democratic donor,” an Obama campaign aide said Monday.

    The campaign would not speak on the record, the aide said, “while discussing the personal plans of the senator, his family and friends.”

    Obama and his friends rented the 11-bedroom house through an island realty company for “standard market value,” said the aide, who would not identify the company or provide the market rate.

  147. Also from politico: polling data shows that all the talk about an Obama landslide victory is just hot air — in fact, Obama is in the midst of blowing yet another presidential election for the Dems:

    Polls show landslide scenario unlikely
    By: David Paul Kuhn
    August 13, 2008 01:49 PM EST

    From the fever swamps of the blogosphere to the halls of academia, there is a chorus of voices who have come to the same conclusion about the presidential election: Barack Obama is going to win in November, by something resembling a landslide.

    Yet for all the breathless analysis and number-crunching that has convinced observers Obama is en route to an epic victory, there is one key historic fact that is often overlooked — most popular vote landslides were clearly visible by the end of summer. And by that indicator, 2008 doesn’t measure up.

    In five of the six post-war landslides (defined as a victory of 10 percentage points or more) the eventual winner was ahead by at least 10 percentage points in the polls at the close of August, according to a Politico analysis of historical Gallup polls. Over the past week, however, Gallup’s daily tracking poll pegs Obama ahead of John McCain by a margin of 2-5 percentage points.

    The one exception to the August rule was 1980. Ronald Reagan was trailing slightly in the August polls before surging forward to win by roughly a 10-point margin.

    By comparison, the biggest post-war landslides — 1964, 1972 and 1984 — were signaled by a large, double-digit advantage held by the eventual winner at the close of August.


  148. BV, this was just a way to slam Bill and Hillary again. That was the only purpose to this story, just like releasing the emails was. Something is going on and we don’t know exactly what it is.
    No one has reported anything on Hillary for months, now all of the sudden her ability to lead and her husbands freebies are front page stuff, WTF??

  149. Confloyd: I am gonna be just like Chuck Todd and spout off a theory as if it were fact and without hard evidence but just because my gut tells me to do it. PSD stole the emails axelrod passed them along in a expaning file to a journaist at some bar, and later on when it seems a raproachment might be in the works wished he had not but it was too late and now retaliation is at hand. Again this is pure fantasy but it is enough to land me a day job at politico and a night job at msnbc where the truth is the enemy.

  150. The Clintons’ statement on today’s shooting, from NYT:

    Senator Hillary Clinton, along with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, issued a joint statement wishing Mr. Gwatney a full recovery.

    “We are stunned and shaken by today’s shooting at the Arkansas Democratic Party where our good friend and fellow Democrat Bill Gwatney was critically wounded,” the statement said. “Bill is not only a strong chairman of Arkansas’ Democratic Party, but he is also a cherished friend and confidante.”

  151. Guys,

    Don’t know if this has been posted yet but the latest Pew Poll has BO in statistical dead heat with McCain:

    Obama 46%
    McCain 43%

  152. that pew shows 7 in 10 hillary supporters backng bo. 30pct wont. isuppose we are the 30. we need mccain to get ahead of obama by 5 pts i think to really make folks even more nervous.

  153. anti-gay Warner, and anti-choice Casey. Great choices for speakers. The new democratic? party is turning into the Republican party.

  154. Elizabeth Edwards is People magazine cover story coming out Friday, here is a preview:

    The Edwards Affair: Elizabeth’s ‘Excruciating Anguish’
    Originally posted Wednesday August 13, 2008 03:00 PM EDT

    Former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards stunned the nation with his televised confession Aug. 8 that he had an extramarital affair. Battling cancer that her doctors call incurable, his wife, Elizabeth, issued a statement in support of her husband – but how is she really doing?

    “There was anguish – excruciating anguish – for her in dealing with this,” Elizabeth’s best friend Hargrave McElroy tells PEOPLE in its new issue.

    Behind the public show of strength, the Edwards’ household has been a scene of turmoil and tension since John, 55, first began revealing the truth about his affair with former campaign aide, Rielle Hunter, 44, after the formal launch of his campaign in the final days of 2006. “He told the truth slowly,” according to one source close to the couple.

    Elizabeth, 59, faced an agonizing choice: “Do I kick him out, or do we have a 30-year marriage that can be rebuilt?” says McElroy. The fact that she suffers from a terminal disease, one that could rob her children – Jack, 8, Emma Claire, 10 and Cate, 26, a student at Harvard Law School – of their mother, weighed heavily in her decision.

    “She couldn’t say, ‘Well, maybe we’ll work through this for years, or maybe we should separate for two years,'” adds Elizabeth’s best friend. “[The cancer] forced her to choose whether to move forward.”

    The Edwardses have not, at least so far, sat down with their younger children to discuss the scandal. “The kids are, to a certain extent, oblivious,” Elizabeth’s brother Jay Anania tells PEOPLE, “but children are very wise and know things,,20218879,00.html
    Interesting this story is HUGE! People magazine will have their cover story all over TV and worldwide, where it will be picked up by the morning news shows because it a People cover story that involve a sex scandal.

    Obama and the Demcrats can’t do anything about it because the Edwards are battling and taking their fight directly to the celebrity gossip media…which by the way is the #1 media in the world. It’s just another distraction but it will take some of the focus away from the Dems UNITY message farce.

    This is going viral!!!

    Now you have National Enquirer battling People and then US Weekly will start pushing back more because their rival People has EE on the cover and John McCain will be doing his are the Obama/Dems ready to lead???

  155. confloyd Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    He was a white guy, so its makes you wonder, apparently he lost his job and blames the democrats, I guess.
    THis is so scary because the bots have threatened everyone that is trying to get Hillary on the ballot!
    Just because the guy is white doesn’t mean he’s not an obamabot. The kooks are coming out and I will not be surprise if some of them really believe in the cult.

    I mean some of the behaviors of the bots are obsessive. McCain really nailed it with the Celeb video.

  156. Carbynew, wow! It’s hilarious to me how politically tone-deaf John Edwards is. If he had a half a brain, he would disappear from now until November, if he really wanted to help the Democrats. There is nothing he can say or do, going forward, that will make his scandal go away, other than letting time pass. The more he waves his hands, and does tell-all interviews and explanations in People magazine, the more this hurts Obama. Narcissism indeed! He simply can’t let it “go.”

  157. # texan4hillary Says:
    August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    that pew shows 7 in 10 hillary supporters backng bo. 30pct wont. isuppose we are the 30. we need mccain to get ahead of obama by 5 pts i think to really make folks even more nervous.

    I have a strong suspicion that these 30% holdouts are the real activists, the real base, those that show up for GOTV in November, those who make phone calls, etc. These 30%-ers were also Hillary’s volunteers, and I know that these are the die-hards. We never “forget to vote”, or “stay home” if feeling unsure. We research the candidates, and we make our voices heard.

    As for the remaining 70%…I have a feeling that if they can just say, “Oh well, Hillary lost”, then they probably don’t have as strong of a conviction, and are not necessarily going to vote.

    Therefore, that 30% might comprise an even higher percentage of the voting bloc come November. That is, we might account for perhaps 35-40% of Dems who a) cross over to vote for McCain, b) vote for some third party, c) write-in Hillary. Anything but vote for Obama.

    Mark my words.

  158. I’d never believe Obama was going to give Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton any kind of spotlight or attention at the convention. It was all talk in my opinion to get Clinton’s fundraisers and have the appeareance that Obama is a good guy.

    Once the Clinton’s emails came out, and The Atlantic had a story already in the pipeline…that told me plenty about Team Obama. But I think the last laugh will not be Obama.

  159. texan4hillary Says:
    August 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    that pew shows 7 in 10 hillary supporters backng bo. 30pct wont. suppose we are the 30.

    18 million voted for Hillary. 30% of 18 million is 5.4 million.

    The victory margin in the 2004 GE was 3 million.

    Subtract 5.4 million from the Dem vote coming this Nov, AND add about half of that number to McCain’s total. See what THAT does to McCain’s margin.

    Some number crunchers might like to post about this at

    h t t p : / /

    if it will come up, or here:

    h t t p : / /

  160. You now that McCain had the right Russian/Georgia response, when they come out and attack Mac, and defend O.

    Then R comes out and give a even more inexperienced answer than O. I guess he has been Governor of New Mexico too long, and he has forgotten.

  161. Listened in on a near table conversation today, with three vintaged men and one women. The one man had a Korean War Veteran’s cap on. They were discussing the disappearance of the the flag from the tail of Os airplane.

    The guy with the cap said it was illegal to fly an American plan internationally without that flag on the tail.

    I guess in addition to no having to prove his birth, he can fly his plane anywhere he wants, regardless of rules.

    That is OK, he will change those rules to be more global when he gets in there.

    So if he does not win, will there be a bunch of late charges filed????

  162. Duh. Maybe I lost a post.

    If there’s a new Pew poll out, showing only about 70% of Hillary supporters backing Obama, that leaves about 30%.

    18 million voted for Hillary. 30% of 18 million is 5.4 million.

    The victory margin in the 2004 GE was 3 million.

    Subtract 5.4 million from the Dem vote coming this Nov, AND add about half of that number to McCain’s total. See what THAT does to McCain’s margin.

    Putting HIllary on as VP won’t help overall, according to a late July poll from WP/ABC; they found it would repel as many voters as it would attract.

  163. You know that Obama can’t allow Hillary or Bill to upstage him….lol…not that it takes all that much to do.

  164. rgb44hrc Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    I agree with your comments. I think 30% number is understated.

  165. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Wednesday, August 13, 2008 — 5:15 PM ET

    Bill Gwatney, Arkansas Democratic Chairman, Dies After Shooting

    Bill Gwatney, the chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party,
    died after being shot in his office in Little Rock on
    Wednesday, police officials said. The suspect was later shot
    by the police and died of his wounds.

  166. colin powell to endorse obama and speak at dem conv-
    http:/ /

  167. Elizabeth’s excruciating anguish.

    Don’t make me laugh, it was so excruiating that she started another Presidential campaign with him when she knew the consequences it would be if it came out. If they had not had another campaign, they would have never had the privacy attacked to this extent.

    I can see the Edwards are trying to go for the sympathy vote here, don’t let it fool you. EE knew of this whole situation and continued to back her husband and milk her public position. The fact that she attacked the one person, Hillary, who was trying to benefit women eveywhere is the real mindboggler here.

    I am sorry to say this but i pity her for what happened to her and for what she eventually did about it.

  168. As all signs increasingly point to Evan Bayh as the veep pick for Bambi, NYT has profiled him. As we’ve all been saying, the guy is a boring, safe, conservative pick. Think Lloyd Bentsen as Dukakis’ choice in ’88. Ugh… man, this campaign has gotten so boring since Hillary was forced out.


    One conventional assessment of Mr. Bayh is that he is a bland, unexciting politician who would not energize a national ticket. His 1996 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago was panned. In a recent column, Dick Morris, a former consultant to President Bill Clinton, described Mr. Bayh as a “cream puff” for failing to go on the attack in that speech, a decision Mr. Bayh later described in a book, saying his view was that voters were tired of negative politics.

    In the Senate, Mr. Bayh is known to slip away to attend school events for his children, and he rarely gives floor speeches. Aides say he considers committee work to be the best venue for real accomplishment in Congress. Through his membership on the Banking Committee, Mr. Bayh this summer was able to add to the newly enacted housing bill a provision that allows taxpayers who do not itemize to take a deduction for property taxes — a provision important back home where property tax increases have taken a toll.

  169. There’s 2 big problems I have with having Powell endorse Obama and speak at the convention.

    1 : One very big one is that Obama against Iraq was a big part of his campaign, yet he is going to let the man who stood in front of the UN security council and lied through his teeth for Bush about Iraqs WMD’s when he knew the information is false. What the fuck is wrong with this picture folks. Obama railed Hillary for supporting the war and now gives a speaking spot to the guy who could have stopped it dead in its tracks. Shame shame shame on you democrats and Obama.

    2 : It will just come across as another AA endorsing Obama for no reason other than he’s black and that is how it will look.

  170. The whole democratic party seems to be MIA now.

    I wish McCain would just quip “I know what its like to be MIA, and trust me Obama and the democratic congress has been missing in action for a long time now”

  171. Is anyone else as upset as me?

    Honestly, until the announcement today that Warner would give the keynote and HRC would be one of 4 speakers at the convention I really thought the Clintons would manage to demonstrate their influence in some significant way.
    Now I’m beginning to feel that Waffles, Pooplose, Deanias and the DNC have pulled off their coup and it scares the sh!t out of me.

  172. So McCain has sent a delegation of Graham and Lieberman to Georgia.

    What a smart but risky move.

    It stands out as bold and taking the initative while Obama swings in the wind. Obama being an ass being the chairman of the subcommittee on these matters could have done it himself but obviously did not think of this.

    If Graham and Lieberman get somewhere with this, it could just end any doubt of McCain on foreign policy.

    The Obamabots are calling McCain presumptious but i think it smacks of people being bold. McCain has asked 2 sitting senators to go into what is in effect a war zone to carry out negotiations. Obama just looks like he has not got an idea. This looks so bad for Obama. All he can do is sit there and look at McCain establish his foreign policy credentials even further.

  173. Hey Moon: THAT is an excellent point. The guy that lied to the American public about Iraq and WMD, is going to endorse, and no less, speak at the democratic? convention for the candidate, whose platform and supporters have been rabid, against the Iraq War.


  174. The obamabots are furious that McCain has sent a delegation to Georgia, probably because they didnt think of it first. McCain scores a massive PR coup with bambi yet again asleep at the wheel.

  175. Moononpluto

    I agree. He switches parties every time it it beneficial to him, and he is an AA.

    You lose credibility after a while.

  176. moononpluto

    That is the name of the game:

    Now which looks more PRESIDENTIAL

    A. A troop visit, and rally in Germany (skipping the Wounded American hospital).

    B. Calling the Russia/Georgian situation right immediately, and sending a group over to see what actually is going on, on the ground.


    I sure that Colin Powell will come out and tell us how right O was and how wrong Mac was.

  177. basil9,

    I’m not scared, I’m voting for McCain. The dems is making it so easy for me that it ain’t even funny.

    The anti-war movement just got tossed under the bus with the Colin Powell speaking at the convention. I like Colin Powell and I wish him well and I understand his bitterness with Bush/Cheney admin.

    Smart chess move but Colin Powell is not the one running for President, as we all remember how we felt 7 1/2 years ago when GWB announced his cabinet. Remember, how we applauded their choice for Sec. of State Colin Powell….looked what happened: Iraq War and trashing of the economy and other offensives.

    So, good luck Colin.

  178. Moononpluto, you’ve nailed it IMO. We need to hammer Obama for his two-facedness re: Powell. Powell was a key player in misleading the American public into war with Iraq.

  179. moonpluto,

    I agree with both of your points.
    Powell will appear to be a hypocrite (as will Waffles)
    and will also be viewed as just another AA endorsement.

    I am sickened and disgusted and getting very depressed about the

    Does anyone have anything optimistic? Please?

  180. If Powell speaks at the Dem convention, i hope to god someone says, you railed Hillary for her vote to war and then allow a war criminal to speak instead of her.

  181. Jesus, if Powell is to speak and endorse Obama watch the Cindy Sheehan side of the party to explode in a supernova.

  182. well the page has a statement from powell’s epople-they say he wont speak at the dem conv and wont back obama. hell if i know. he is doing this bc of russia. supers are nervous so this powel rumor was laid out. also on the page talks about mccain says he is fine to run with a pro choice candidate. oh and hillary’s speech will be about the working class. bullshit

  183. I wonder, what the bots are saying about the endorsement. They probably think it is a grand example of bipartisanship.

  184. birdgal

    When we were eating lunch today, my whole family said the same thing. However, I feel much safer with Mac in charge.

    Let us face it, something serious might come up while O is on vacation. Kind of reminds you of the Katrina fiasco when Bush was on the West coast fundraising, and flew over the disaster area in a high plane. Who is more important, fundraisiing, or taking care of the people who found themselves out of a home. Fundraising of Course.

  185. Does anyone know of the reason why this guy shot the Arkansas Clinton delegate. I can imagine the field day the MSM will have if they in any way suspect this has to do with the guy being a Clinton delegate.

  186. Bill Kristol : Colin Powel to endorse Obama at the convention in his speech.Which one will he endorse? Black one or white one?
    Who said that the Race Card is not the seal of the Obama Campaign.Powell backed the war and presented the fraudulent reasons and the completely false evidence.What a shabby group evil conivers our political system has gathered since Obama came to the Senate.Birds of feather flock together and a “Walking Eagle”shall lead them.Hold your noses people Obama ,when he speaks.

    By ABM90 Fighting with my all for Hillary

  187. carby,

    Do you think the Clintons have anymore influence?

    Can Waffles actually win the GE??????

    I admit I feel demoralized.

  188. I hear people say, that you cannot expect him to handle everything. All of the VIPs have a staff.

    What they don’t understand is you have to be able to assemble a brillant staff.

    GW could not do it (shock/Shock), and Os track record on who he surrounds himself with is not good.

  189. I don’t believe for one second that Colin Powell is going to speak at the Convention. Don’t even believe he has endorsed Obama.

    of course…stranger things have happened, I suppose.

  190. Holy mary, the Obamabots on DU are now trying to say McCain has set up the whole Georgian conflict to make McCain look Presidential, that he purposefully got Russia to attack Georgia, these bastards make me sick now.


    Spokesperson: Kristol’s Claim That Colin Powell Will Speak At Dem Convention Is False
    By Greg Sargent – August 13, 2008, 5:24PM

    On Fox News just now, conservative commentator Bill Kristol said in no uncertain terms that sources close to the Obama campaign had told him that Colin Powell will endorse Obama and may even speak at the Dem convention on Wednesday night.

    Not so, says Powell’s spokesperson, Peggy Cifrino.

    “There’s no truth to it, no substance to it,” Cifrino tells me. “I have no idea why Bill Kristol would be making this statement. There is no imminent endorsement.”

    Cifrino also said that he won’t be at the GOP convention, either: “He will not be at either convention,” she said.

    Asked if this had meant Powell had ruled out endorsing Obama, Cifrino demurred. “He has said repeatedly that he is watching both candidates,” she said. “He’ll make a decision at some point. I know of no endorsement coming up.”

    Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted.

    Late Update: You’ll be surprised to hear that Matt Drudge is nonetheless flogging this as his lead story.

  192. Does anyone know of the reason why this guy shot the Arkansas Clinton delegate. I can imagine the field day the MSM will have if they in any way suspect this has to do with the guy being a Clinton delegate.

    Gwatney owned a car dealership, and ther has been some speculation that the shooter may have been one of the employee’s recently laid off.

    But I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere, so take it with a grain of salt.

  193. ABM,
    What do you mean, black one or white one? I don’t get it.

    You are a terrific new source. Do you get most of your info from BBC?
    What US press sites do you frequent?

  194. Colin Powell has denied he is endorsing or attending. I wnder if this rumour has been a bloody good move of undermining Obama by

    1 : Leaking the “supposed” endorsement of the top black republican, lying war monger.

    2 : Making the democratic party anti war wing distrust Obama.

    3 : Having Powell and Obama’s campaign deny it but leaving the impression Obama is doing damage control limitation.

    Don’t forget folks, the majority of people only get half the story and you know which part they’ll get. Bloody clever if it was a underminig tactic.

  195. Colin Powell rumor untrue–news report from NoQuarter. Powells office is denying the story:

    “There’s absolutely no truth to it whatsoever,” Cifrino told “Colin Powell will not be at either convention. There’s absolutely no truth to this.”

    Roll Call executive editor Mort Kondracke, also a FOX News contributor, said he personally has spoken with Powell, who denied the report and said he has made no endorsement decisions, according to Kondracke.

  196. moon: The bots need some strong psychotropic medication, to treat their delusional and paranoid states. McCain had enough influence with Putin to have him invade Georgia, all to make McCain look Presidential? What a deluded group of people. Just when, I think, I have heard it all, they take it to another level.

  197. Both on Armed services committe, so they would both have a stake and Lieberman also on Homeland security. So I see no reason why they would not be interested in this.

  198. I’m glad the Powell rumor has been refuted.

    Anyone else hear that MO’s brother is gonna be a convention speaker?

    WHo the heck is he?????? Didn’t he accuse HRC of fake tears in NH?

  199. If Powell is speaking Wednesday night, then maybe he’s the VEEP, it would stand to reason he would show the bipartisenship that the American people have screamed for, hence, the big show, in invesco field!

  200. Confloyd, 2 AA’s on the same ticket, no chance in hell, Bi partisanship, the anti war wing of the party would erupt.

  201. Although I would not put it past Bush to escalate the Georgia thing because, it will be good for the republicans, If America was in any danger, Obama would be dead in the water.

  202. Yea, I bet the bots and bambi are furious,

    Bambi know how to campaign and will do it til the last dog dies.

    McCain however know how to govern.

    Thats the difference. And its all the difference McCain needs.

  203. MO’s classy (not) brother, will be introducing MO.
    Do you want to know more about these people? I sure as hell dont. Four months from now nobody will remember who they are.

  204. You watch how many alerts and threats appear in the next few months, the meme will be Obama is untested on a war or crisis footing. The republicans have the power to create security problems if they needed too. Its not beyond their capabilities.

    If this election becomes about security. Obama is toast.

  205. Curious that Obama has yet to issue on statement on Gwatney’s murder. I mean…Obama is the King of the democratic party, isn’t he? Don’t they get news in Hawaii??!!

  206. Talk radio is saying there will definitely be an Israeli strike against Iran by the

    Of course, that’s no help if in the meantime Waffles is selected.

  207. Bill Kristol is a neocon. He is also a republican. He has been pushing Obama. As if we needed more proof that he is the gloabalist candidate. Tom Friedman predicted this fracture in both parties. This Powell rumor just goes to show you that nothing we hear now is reliable. The other side is spinning everything. The only thing that counts is the political reality that will exist at the time of the convention and that depends on the results of the internal negotiations and the X factor-which is coming.

  208. Wow, this has been some day. I am glad that the Powell story has been put to rest. That surprised me. Just read this comment from another site of someone commenting about the 6 hours of required volunteering to get a ticket to Obama’s speech at the DNC:

    Ask not what Obama can do for you. Ask what you can do for Obama.


  209. an someone please explain why MO’s brother will be speaking at the convention?????

    What the heck does he do to warrant such attention?

  210. According to TPM, McCain isn’t going to Georgia.

    Just lieberman and graham.

  211. I dunno, Basil. I think they ought to get my neighbor Chet to speak at the convention. He’s a pig farmer, so I think he’s completely relevent to the party in it’s current state.

  212. Idunn Says:

    August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
    I dunno, Basil. I think they ought to get my neighbor Chet to speak at the convention. He’s a pig farmer, so I think he’s completely relevent to the party in it’s current state.


    LOL!!!! I was wondering the same thing. You all are on a roll today!

  213. Backers want Clinton nominated at convention

    Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
    Tuesday, August 12, 2008

    (08-11) 21:08 PDT —

    A determined crowd of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s delegates – preparing to head to the Democratic Party’s national convention in Denver – have begun gathering signatures to ensure her name is placed into nomination, insisting their effort won’t take spotlight off presumed Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

    Many of those involved in the campaign, which they say is a matter of respect and acknowledgement of 18 million voters who backed Clinton, argue that the nomination of the New York senator is a matter of historic and political precedent at such party conventions. And they’re chafing at reports that the campaign of the Illinois senator is resisting the efforts – and even hoping to avoid a roll-call vote.

    “Since 1884, we’ve had a roll-call vote. … It’s a nominating convention, not a coronation,” said Garry Mauro, the four-term Texas land commissioner and past gubernatorial candidate who ran against George W. Bush – and who will go to his 10th Democratic national convention this month as a Clinton delegate.

    With less than two weeks until Aug. 25, when Democrats open their nominating convention in Denver, the sentiment is typical of many Clinton delegates who say the nomination of the New York senator from the floor of the convention doesn’t endanger Obama’s presidential campaign – and could serve his cause.

    The Obama campaign declined to comment on the story, but many supporters of the presumed Democratic nominee suggest that Clinton will get more than her share of high-profile face time and respect at the convention.

    She is scheduled to deliver a keynote address on Aug. 26 – reportedly to be introduced by her daughter, Chelsea – and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, is delivering the prime-time address on the following night, when the vice presidential candidate is nominated.
    Moving on

    Still, “I don’t think there’s any harm in nominating Sen. Clinton at the convention,” said David Serrano Sewell of San Francisco, one of the delegates at the forefront of the signature-gathering movement. “It will acknowledge the success we had, and it will give an opportunity for people to express themselves and get behind Obama and win in November.”

    Already, he said, Clinton delegates have more than half of the 300 signatures needed to put Clinton’s name into nomination – and they fully expect to get more than enough by the time the convention begins in Denver.

    “It’s a simple thing to do, and it’s the biggest sign of party unity,” said Laura Spanjian, a San Francisco Clinton delegate who also supports the move. “If we do that one thing, the Hillary people can get past it – and move on.”

    Clay Dougherty, another San Francisco delegate for Clinton, said that “if the situation were reversed, the Obama people would feel the same.”

    “For the first time in a generation, it’s been a close election … and this was such a unique situation,” he said, in which the first major African American presidential candidate competed with the first major female presidential candidate. “We need to honor both candidates,” he said.

    And many Democrats suggest that the move to accommodate Clinton’s supporters may be politically smart.

    “Sen. Clinton is going to do everything she can to make sure Sen. Obama is the next president – and that will include how the convention is handled and the role she plays,” says Democratic strategist Chris Lehane, who was a Clinton supporter and a past White House spokesman for Bill Clinton.

    But “polls out there show that older women are the potential swing demographic in this election,” he said. “It helps Obama and the party … to have her play a prominent role in the convention.”

    Under the rules of the Democratic National Committee, 300 valid delegate signatures are needed in order to place a candidate’s name on the ballot – if the candidate agrees to it.

    Bob Mulholland, an undecided California superdelegate, said that means “if a candidate’s got delegates, then both names can be placed in nomination” – and the losing candidate, in this case Clinton, can declare, ” ‘Let’s make it unanimous.’ ”

    Or Clinton can be nominated and a surrogate speaking on her behalf can say, “The senator has declined, but let’s vote on Obama,” he noted.

    A third option is that she won’t allow her name to be nominated at all, he said.
    Organized resistance

    Mauro said that because it was such a closely contested election, he is mystified as to why the Obama campaign is resisting and even balking at a roll-call vote, according to some reports.

    “Are these folks so new to politics, are they so arrogant, that they think he’s different from every other nominee we’ve ever had?” he asks.

    Serrano Sewell says one reason for the resistance may be that some Democratic officials have apparently mistakenly associated the delegates’ activities with those of an independent group of Clinton supporters who call themselves PUMAs (which stands for “Party Unity My Ass”), who have pledged that they will protest outside the Denver convention.

    He says there’s no connection.

    “We’re not trying to drag Obama down,” he said. “We’re Democrats. We’re precinct captains. We’re fundraisers. We’re the kind of Democrats Obama will need to win in November.”

    Dougherty says he’s now waiting for a signal from Clinton herself about what might happen next in Denver.

    “If she releases us for the sake of party unity, fine,” he said. “But she hasn’t done that. The campaigns are talking – and I respect they need to come to an agreement that makes both sides happy.”

  214. Also, I’m pretty sure my neighbor clings to his pigs out of frustration and bitterness, so I think the Messiah owes it to Chet to “talk him down”. 😉

  215. funny thing is bayh is a neocon as well and was one of the founders of the liberation of iraq group back when with bill kristol. mccain could picka pro choicer and obama could pik a dude not much for choice. i would cuss but im tired

  216. basil: MO’s brother is introducing her, so he can say nice things about MO. Then, MO can have her turn, and say nice things about Waffles. And everyone, will be one nice happy family. :).

    Idunn, you have been on a roll today. 🙂

  217. hey grape, and others,

    i guess i’m sick…
    been out cold all day, just woke up, cause my friend brought me soup.


    hey i went to the ‘OTHER’ site…

    can you check in there?

  218. basil: I keep wondering about the fact that he had a white mother and a black father has influenced more black and white people to support him.There are so many indicators in his speeches and comments that he is courting both and races by his switch from a rap accent to a white version.He hugs AA women and kisses white women.Race card is constantly being dealt from the bottom of the deck.This guy is areal piece of work.Slick and ruthless but totally unfit to even have his seat in the senate let alone a chair in the oval office.

    By ABM90 The more I see and listen to him the more I believe he will destroy our democracy and set us back in time as a third world country.

  219. and picking sen casey is a slap in the face to the clintons who denied casey’s dad from speaking at the 92 conv bc he was anti choice. this is casey jr’s revenge for his daddy. thsi si what obama promised him back in the pa primary.

  220. OK, has there been any reaction from Hillary’s camp about her losing the keynote address? That seems really strange – unless she never had it to begin with.

    BTW, I’m sure Waffles has been lobbying Powell heavily for an endorsement. However, leaking something like this before Powell has made a decision (if that’s in fact the case) will only make him angry.

  221. basil9 Says:
    Does anyone have anything optimistic? Please?

    Okay, I’ll try to channel Hillary for a minute:

    [[ Speeches are words, just words — worth little. ‘Keynote speech’ is just words ABOUT words — worth nothing. ]]

    People talk about her trading her speech slot for the VP slot. What they don’t take into account is that she DOES NOT WANT VP. She’d be more likely to trade her chips for NOT having to take VP. “Get some man to do it, I’m not going to be stuck doing the dirty job all the men have turned down. Or get Pelosi.”

    If she’s ‘losing’ things (keynote, big speech, even roll call) — it’s because she’s getting something she wants more. Like more power in the Senate.

    Of course it’s possible that there is power making her lose these things, or some of them may have been just rumours in the first place.

  222. The thing is Bob Casey is “so dry” that he could just set the tome of the entire convention….

    So So boring!!!

    Just like Richardson, Casey is not the smartest pin 😉

  223. ok im not a big believer in some of this-then this broke tonight on texasdarlin’s blog. u got to see this pic of barry’s school registration.
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