The Dead End

Former Hillary supporters turned into Obama supporters are now calling us “dead enders.” Intellectually dishonest former Hillary bloggers who used to write about how inexperienced and unqualifed Barack Obama is and how the country came before the party now support Obama and call us “dead enders”. The poison to our political system, Maureen Dowd, is unhappy with the NObama NOvember “dead enders” too.

The term “dead enders” is an ugly reference to Iraqi “insurgents” who continued to resist American occupation of Iraq. The term “dead enders” is meant to convey that NObama NOvember Hillary supporters are as deranged as those in Iraq who resisted American power.

Those shouting “dead enders” the loudest are also the ones who acknowledge that the “dead enders” in Iraq have had a powerful effect and therefore American troops must withdraw from Iraq. With this history in mind, shouldn’t those labeling NObama NOvember Hillary supporters as “dead enders” pause a bit before shouting their epithets?

NObama NOvember Hillary supporters, a huge part of the Democratic Party base, oppose Obama because we know that the grassroots have been swindled by Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. We know this leadership does not listen the the people. These leaders must not be rewarded with votes for their undemocratic plots and exploitation of sexism and misogyny.

NObama NOvember Hillary supporters are also fighting for the Democratic future. We are fighting for a big tent party that does not discriminate against the white working class and latino and women voters. That is hardly a dead end. That is the future.

If there is a group of dead enders – those fighting as a personality cult for a personality that is rejected by the majority of voters – the dead enders are Obama supporters.

It is Obama, the personality, the black face as Andrew Sullivan and John Kerry termed it, that is a dead end.

The Democratic dead enders are berating NObama NOvember Hillary supporters because we will NOT support the unqualified, race-baiting, and gay-bashing, and woman hating, Barack Obama.

Save your breath and typing fingers Obama-blind bloggers. NObama. NOvember.

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Donna Brazile and other Obama vote theives fought to make sure Florida and Michigan would be disenfranchised. Today, Barack Obama wants to bamboozle Americans, particulary those in Florida and Michigan, into thinking they have not been disenfranchised. It’s as if George W. Bush would today acknowledge that Al Gore received the most votes from Florida and the most electoral votes in 2000.

When Florida and Michigan voters voted, Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi did not count their votes. Now it’s bamboozle time from Obama. Delegates the voters of Michigan entrusted to Hillary were stolen by Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi. Florida and Michigan voters were insulted and disenfranchised by Barack Obama. They will remember in NOvember.

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The dead enders who demand we ignore the fact that Obama is unqualified, race-baiting, and gay-bashing, and woman hating, continue to be embarrassed by Barack Obama.

The vote undemocratic Party over the country, dead enders are a joke. The dead ender bloggers (particulary the ones who supported Hillary and therefore know better) are an even bigger joke. We wrote in late June about these dead enders:

Obama’s dedicated internet dens of Hopium are experiencing what used to be known as “a bad trip”. The hallucinogenic Hopium has gone as bad as Obama’s promises to filibuster a FISA bill with telecom immunity included. The DailyKooks, Talking Pimps Memo, Arriana Huff n’ Puff (collectively, the PINO Big Blogs) are getting thrown under the bus by Obama. As Obama spanks them with every broken promise, they reflexively respond “Thank you sir – may I have another.”

Just think, we have two more months of Obama making fools of these fools and of himself.

When Obama slapped these fools in the face by voting for FISA we mocked them for the impotent fools they are. Now the impotent fools mock themselves.

The latest stupidity from these dead end fools is begging Obama.

The Nation magazine, a dead enders keep, is begging Obama to be, or become a progressive. The fools at The Nation and other Obama Hopium dens have a petition (called Change We Can Believe In). Wow, that will really impress Obama. Only fools will sign a petition written by foolish dead enders who still think Obama listens to them or is in any way a progressive (Hint: Obama can’t be trusted by friends or foes). Keep begging you dead end fools. We throughly enjoy watching Obama slap you across your foolish faces.

From Hillary Clinton supporters who say “NObama, NOvember” a bit of advice to the Obama dead enders who still believe anything Obama says: Keep writing those petitions since the FISA petitions worked so well for you.

The Obama dead enders who still believe anything Obama says can start writing a new petition. Let’s call it the HOT AIR petition. Or we can call it the Inflated Tires, Inflated Ego petition.

Recall, inflated ego Obama recently made a fool of himself by saying we can save all the oil from drilling if only Americans would inflate their tires. True. The fool actually said this. Obama, like a flat tire, leaks hot air. Inflating tires to the right pressure will save some gasoline but not what Obama says this measure will save. Far from it.

Obama compounded his foolishness by then scoring the same savings if Americans would get regular tune-ups for their cars. What a fool. Only dead enders can defend such foolishness.

The Obama foolishness on energy policy (along with his bottom of the deck race-baiting) hit him right on the polls. The flacid polls led to an immediate Obama flip-flop-flim-flam.

This time the flip-flop-flim-flam is on oil drilling. Obama rejected oil-drilling, then stated he would consider it, then denied it was a flip flop. It was a typical Obama flip-flop-flim-flam. That is do a flip-flop, then deny the flip-flop. A genuine Obama flip-flop-flim-flam.

Major Obama shift on offshore drilling; some might be O.K.

Another sudden switch and another major slide toward the center by Democratic Sen. Barack Obama.

He told a Florida newspaper today he is NOT against ALL offshore drilling for new oil resources. Switching from his previous blanket oppostion to expanded offshore drilling, Obama tells the Palm Beach Post he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to avoid a gridlock over energy policy.

“The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling,” Obama said in the Post interview. “And so we don’t want gridlock. We want to get something done.” [snip]

The public struggle between the two parties and their candidates has been going on for weeks. And recent polls have indicated a shift by voters toward approval of careful offshore drilling as a way to increase petroleum supplies and reduce stiff gas prices.

Republican nominee-to-be John McCain was asked for a response to Obama’s latest shift. The Arizona senator said: “We need oil drilling and we need it now offshore. He has consistently opposed it. He has opposed nuclear power. He has opposed reprocessing. He has opposed storage.”

Perhaps Obama’s flip-flop-flim-flam on oil drilling was announced in order to hide Obama’s NASA flip-flop-flim-flam [Obama’s first position HERE, Obama’s latest postiion HERE] or maybe it was Obama’s town hall flip-flop-flim-flam. We don’t know.

You’ll have to ask the Obama dead-enders.

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254 thoughts on “The Dead End

  1. You are right. It is hard to keep track of his flips. Begging him, give me breal. that man represents us.

    We don’t beg him, we don’t put him in office.

    I think there has been enough examples here of who he really is. Plus, we really don’t know what position he would take when President. He has no track record.

    IF HE IS THE ONE, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A POSITON AND STICK BY IT. AFTER ALL THE ONE DID STICK BY HIS POSITION, OR DID I READ THE BIBLE WRONG.

  2. The Nation magazine, a dead enders keep, is begging Obama to be, or become a progressive. The fools at The Nation and other Obama Hopium dens have a petition (called Change We Can Believe In). Wow, that will really impress Obama. Only fools will sign a petition written by foolish dead enders who still think Obama listens to them or is in any way a progressive (Hint: Obama can’t be trusted by friends or foes). Keep begging you dead end fools. We throughly enjoy watching Obama slap you across your foolish faces.

    How TRUE!!! ROTFLMAO

  3. He cannot be trusted by anyone or anything. How do we know, he’ll fight for the principles of the democratic? party? Based upon his actions, he’ll sell anyone down the river. Is there really any difference between him and McCain? Bo’s flip-flop-flim-flan on offshore drilling is huge. He is going against Ms. Nasty. Hmm… I wonder, if she’ll agree to it, now that annoited one is for it. This guy has no core values or principles, to guide him. Just arrogance and narcissism.

  4. Dead enders are when a politically designated candidate is headed down in the polls, and you have not managed to stop it with the pull out of the candidate elected by the popular vote, and a grandstanding trip Internationally.

    So what is next, Dead Enders, because as I have stated before, the end of the Cliff is near.

    In addition, McCain’s new top gun, SS, has really shown you how it’s played. He brought his A game, and he does not have to worry about a position in the Democratic Party, because they are not Democrats. Even all your Bloggers on the payroll could not help convinced the American people who the real Racists is.

  5. Admin,

    I know that elections are often fought ruthlessly and without dignity, but do you think that this election is the worst of them all? I don’t know when I have been more disheartened by the actions of those I once respected and now hold in disdain.

  6. JanH

    I feel the same way. For the first time every I became active in my party, and I could not believe what went on here. They look and say to you, Politics is dirty, like it is OK to steal an election.

    When did we lose our sense of doing the fair and truthful thing, which is better for the people.

    I have lost faith in my Democracy and my country.

  7. Gallup daily tracking poll has both candidates tied, after Obama’s 9-point lead has evaporated

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    nytimes.com

    August 3, 2008
    Poll: McCain’s attack strategy paying dividends
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Filed at 6:49 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Intensified attacks by Republican John McCain on the character of his Democratic opponent have coincided with Barack Obama losing a nine percentage point advantage in a national poll, which showed the candidates running dead even over the weekend.

    McCain, who had vowed to avoid the kind of negative tactics that were used against him in the 2000 Republican primary contest with George W. Bush, began attacking Obama during the Illinois senator’s trip to Iraq and Afghanistan late last month.

    In the course of the McCain offensive, Obama’s lead in a Gallup Poll tracking survey slid from nine percentage points on July 26, when he returned from overseas, to nothing by Saturday, when the poll showed the candidates tied at 44 percent.

    The four-term Arizona senator, who backed the war and claims experience with security and foreign policy issues, charged that Obama’s promise to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office amounted to his having chosen to lose a war to promote his run for the presidency.

    McCain has not relented even though he took criticism for the remark. It appeared at the time to be a defensive response to the massive attention paid to the Obama visit to the two U.S. war fronts as well as to the Middle East and Europe.

    He subsequently ran a television ad that accused Obama of deciding not to visit wounded U.S. troops because he could not take television cameras — a claim that appeared to be false. Next he issued a commercial that interpose images of Obama with pop culture figures Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, trying to paint Obama as a celebrity without the experience to lead the country.

    That was followed by accusations that Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, had resorted to racial politics by asserting McCain and other Republicans would try to frighten Americans because Obama did not look like past U.S. presidents whose images are on the country’s paper money.

    And most recently, in an Internet advertisement, the voiceover calls Obama ”The One” and features Obama appearing to describe himself and his presidential quest in grandiose terms. It ends with Charlton Heston as Moses parting the Red Sea in the movie, ”The Ten Commandments.”

    Obama may have given McCain more fodder in recent days by announcing a readiness to compromise with Republicans on offshore oil drilling — which he had opposed — and apparently rejecting McCain’s challenge to join him in a series of town hall meetings.

    On Saturday, Obama said McCain’s campaign was cynical and trying to distract voters from real issues but that he did not believe his opponent and his campaign had engaged in racism.

    ”In no way do I think John McCain’s campaign was racist. I think they are cynical,” Obama said. ”Their team is good at creating distractions and engaging in negative attacks.”

  8. ”In no way do I think John McCain’s campaign was racist. I think they are cynical,” Obama said. ”Their team is good at creating distractions and engaging in negative attacks.”

    Yes, the BO team is very good at creating distractions and engaging in negative attacks. They need a mirror. I don’t believe one word that they say. Whatever they accuse someone else of doing, they are doing it, to the nth degree.

  9. Dear Florida Democrats,

    Today is a proud day for all of us who fought so hard to ensure Floridians votes are fully counted.

    Just minutes ago, Sen. Barack Obama sent a letter to the DNC credentials committee urging them to restore the full vote of the Michigan and Florida Delegations, proving his commitment to uniting the party and ending the uncertainty surrounding the process.

    With Florida’s economy in recession for the first time in 16 years, our state leading the nation in job loss, and we are number two in foreclosures, Floridians in every corner of our state are excited to elect Barack Obama and other Democrats this fall to bring change to Washington and Florida. The people of Florida know Barack Obama and other Democrats will rebuild our economy, create good jobs, and lower gas prices and homeowners insurance rates.

    I want to thank Barack Obama, the Florida Congressional Delegation, the Democrats in our Legislature, and voters across Florida for fighting to have our votes count. This is a proud day for all of us.

    Sincerely,

    Karen Thurman

    Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
    Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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    If this is a PROUD day, why do I feel so slimed?

  10. Blue Democrat Says:
    August 3rd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    Maureen O’Dowd is trying to re-direct any impending (convention) noise about the primaries by limiting it only to women, as if it’s just a small group
    ====================

    Tell Dowd and others that whatever we are, there are 9 million Hillary supporters who refuse to vote for Obama in November.

    And 9 million is a hell of a lot of votes. Bush’s margin of victory over Kerry in 2004 was 3 million.

    (Cites and details at turndownobama.com)

  11. ‘Intensified attacks’. Geez, you have seen nothing yet. Wait for Oct.
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    The pundits can rail against tactics, warn that particular methods of attack are risky, and even lecture candidates about the “low road”. But it is the voter who gets the final say about campaign tactics, strategy and messages.

    As much as they hate to admit it, Democrats should understand that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth’s campaign against John Kerry didn’t succeed because it was mean, nasty and untrue. It succeeded because more people believed them than John Kerry.

    That’s why it is interesting to consider the latest Rasmussen poll:

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the nation’s voters say they’ve seen news coverage of the McCain campaign commercial that includes ../images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and suggests that Barack Obama is a celebrity just like them. Of those, just 22% say the ad was racist while 63% say it was not. Reminds you of the Harold Ford incident, when, in fact, voters rejected the attempt to make an ad run by his opponent into a racist attack. It appears, given the poll numbers, that the same rejection of racism is taking place among voters who’ve seen the McCain campaign’s “celebrity” ad.

    On the other hand:

    However, Obama’s comment that his Republican opponent will try to scare people because Obama does not look like all the other presidents on dollar bills was seen as racist by 53%. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree. You’d think, by now, the Obama campaign would have briefed their candidate that the “I look different” meme is not working to their advantage. It is being seen, rightfully in my estimation, as a attempt to differentiate the candidates by race, something the McCain campaign hasn’t done. The Obama campain then uses the difference in race to decry “scare” tactics by the other side which supposedly portray Obama as “scary” because he’s different.

    It isn’t selling at all, as indicated by the poll.

    So, what are the messages here? For the McCain campaign, damn the pundits, full speed ahead. And for the Obama campaign, drop the “I’m different and they’re trying to scare you because of that” routine. It’s not working.

  12. well I guess when BHO says ‘change we can believe in’ he isn’t letting his supporters down.

    first he says one thing, then…..here it comes…..change….he reverses course.

    franky if you want real change you’re more likely to find some down the seat of your car.

  13. Here is the letter from BO, to the DNC:

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7913

    8/3/2008
    Letter from Senator Obama to the Chairs of the Committee
    Hon. Alexis Herman
    1333 H Street, NW
    Washington, DC 20005

    James Roosevelt, Jr.
    14 Meadow Way
    Cambridge, MA 02138

    Eliseo Roques-Arroyo
    PO Box 190998
    San Juan, PR 00919

    Dear Credentials Committee Chairs:

    In just a few weeks, our Party will convene in Denver for our National Convention. This will be an historic event that will showcase our vision for changing the direction of our country.

    The delegates and alternates who gather on Monday, August 25 will reflect the talent, energy and rich diversity of our Democratic Party. The delegates will come from all 56 states and territories. As these delegates go about the important business of the Convention, I believe Party unity calls for the delegates from Florida and Michigan to be able to participate fully alongside the delegates from the other states and territories. Accordingly, I ask that the Credentials Committee, when it meets on August 24 to approve the delegates for the National Convention, pass a resolution that would entitle each delegate from Florida and Michigan to cast a full vote.

    As a candidate for the nomination, I supported the DNC’s efforts to establish and enforce a schedule for primaries and caucuses that would broaden the opportunity for Democrats from all regions of the country and all backgrounds and walks of life to have a meaningful voice. An unprecedented number of voters participated in our Democratic nominating process. We all owe a debt of gratitude to Governor Dean for his principled leadership during this long and challenging process.

    As we prepare to come together in Denver, however, we must be – and will be – united in our determination to change the course of our nation. To that end, Democrats in Florida and Michigan must know that they are full partners and colleagues in our historic mission to reshape Washington and lead our country in a new direction.

    With warmest personal regards,

    Barack Obama

    Notice anything strange? LOL!

  14. I’m not surprised by anything The One does. The flipping flopping flim flam man is exactly as I expected. However, even so he has outdone himself with the cynical suggestion that after screwing Florida and Michigan voters in the primary now he wants to use them to his advantage. Slimed doesn’t go far enough. He’s the most corrupt, sick, criminal candidate I can remember. If this is what he shows the country leading up to the GE, consider what he’d do as President. He’s an insult to the office. Shame on the duplicitous Dean/Axelrod/Brazile/Pelosi cabal. We can’t let this happen.

  15. The more the MSM rehashed what happened in primaries, the worse for Obama’s campaign. This is no longer a democratic primary. Do you believe those independents/moderates would more or less likely vote for bambi when they are hearing these ‘racist’ charges again and again.

    People are not idiots, there will come to a time, voters will say, enough is enough, I can’t vote for this guy, I can’t live four years listening to the pundits on TV debate who’s a racist, who is not on a daily basis.
    It’s just too much.

    The MSM will eat their crow if they keep this up.
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    Bill Clinton Has Regrets on Campaign for Wife Insists, ‘I Am Not a Racist,’ Despite Anger Over His S.C. Comments

    In his first broadcast interview since his wife dropped out of the Democratic presidential race, former President Bill Clinton said he still has regrets, and insisted he’s “not a racist,” despite controversies surrounding his comments about Sen. Barack Obama’s win in the South Carolina Democratic primary.

    Clinton reflected on his wife’s campaign and other subjects to ABC News in Monrovia, Liberia, as he toured Africa to support the work of his charitable foundation.

    At times, he appeared to grow testy as he discussed his wife’s failed bid for the nomination, and was asked if he deserves at least some of the blame for his wife’s losses.

    When asked, “Do you personally have any regrets about what you did, campaigning for your wife?” Clinton, at first, answered, “Yes, but not the ones you think. And it would be counterproductive for me to talk about.”

    But then he added, “There are things that I wish I’d urged her to do. Things I wish I’d said. Things I wish I hadn’t said.

    “But I am not a racist,” he continued. “I’ve never made a racist comment and I never attacked him [Obama] personally.”

    Clinton was referring to an uproar surrounding some of his comments in the South Carolina Democratic primary that prompted anger among some in the African-American community. After Obama, D-Ill., defeated his wife there, Clinton seemed to downplay the significance of the victory by noting Jesse Jackson had won South Carolina in 1984 and 1988, which some observers found offensive.

    The controversy later brought an apology from Hillary Clinton, who told reporters, “You know, I am sorry if anyone was offended. It was certainly not meant in any way to be offensive.”

  16. IMPORTANT NOTE FROM RICKI-PLEASE READ
    A suggestions in order to be taken seriously by the SDs: Please avoid inflammatory or derogatory words like Obamaton, communist, socialist, jerk …in writing to them. We find that the facts speak best for themselves along with your opinion, and that SDs are getting so much junk that they tend to discard and discredit labels and abusive language. EWers are known for thoughtful, accurate, well-reasoned communications. Let’s keep it that way, please!

    Also, you might want put in your first sentence that you are writing in the context of the ELECTABILITY WATCH.

  17. I hope Bill has as little…actually no part in the campaign for that lying, cheating “Mr. Wickham” BO!!!

  18. And also I do not want to watch Hi=lary in some “women’s” only sessions. Utterly waste of her talents.

    She should only be focusing on 1 thing only

    ELECTION REFORM!!!!….

  19. Graham ripped Dashcle into pieces. Poor Dashcle. GOP is not going to stand idle.
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    h t t p : / / hotair.com/archives/2008/08/03/video-graham-rips-obama-apologists-for-denying-that-he-was-trying-to-inject-race/

  20. by the way, the survey askes if you support the ‘draft’ just select yes or no which ever is your prefence.

    I personally have mixed feelings about the draft, part says I don’t want gov controlling any part of our lives and then the other is could our youth benefit from the rigorous training in boot camp as an alternative to training in a cell block.

    I know it’s touchy with some, just shared my thoughts.

  21. There is an article at NOQuarter, about BO shutting BC out of the convention. Unfortunately, whenever I go that site on my home computer, the site crashes for me. Could someone please copy the article to this site? I guess, BO doesn’t think, he needs BC. So much for party unity.

  22. “The delegates will come from all 56 states and territories.”

    Birdgal: Ha, ha, yes he just can’t seem to pass 5th grade US History.

    Let’s see, if we add on Kenya, Iraq…we’re still on short on territories. Not only is he a crook, he’s an uneducated one as well. Poor Bwaaaack. Always skimming the surface. Axelrod has found the perfect guy to dress up as a marketed personality with no qualifications whatsoever. I look forward to the day when Pelosi/Reid/Dean/
    Brazile/Axelrod and zero qualified Obama are retired from politics altogether. They are leaving a real stink in the air.

  23. I think the whole power play they’ve pulled is to get rid of both Clintons. This is just amazing to me. They don’t want party unity unless they call the shots and that is…well, not Democratic.

  24. birdgirl,
    they can’t put BHO anywhere near Bill because they know everyone would compare the two…there is NO comparison and they can’t afford that image.

  25. AnnieCarmel: He needs better editors and writers. It should read “from all 50 states and 6(?) territories. PR, Guam, DC, Americans Abroad, Virgin Islands, and ?

  26. Too little too late, Obama! Why didn’t you move to count all the delegates right from the start? Now that your numbers are falling off, you think this will bring them into your corner?

    Shame on you!

  27. BTW, I’m sure Bill knows how Steve Schmidt from the McCain campaign just defended him. Glad to see him standing up for himself.

  28. the only states that are going to show up for BHO at the convention are the states of denial, oblivion, confusion..etc.

  29. debbie Says:

    August 3rd, 2008 at 8:12 pm
    birdgirl,
    they can’t put BHO anywhere near Bill because they know everyone would compare the two…there is NO comparison and they can’t afford that image.

    This is true, but a convention without the last democratic president? This is shameful and disgusting. If BO cannot debate McCain or be in a convention with BC, how in the hell, is he going to talk to our enemies???? The democratic? party is dead to me. BO could exhibit graciousness and unity by welcoming BC, but his arrogance, insecurity, and narcissism cannot allow him to do this. I do not understand how people can vote straight party, when the leaders are so corrupt and evil.

  30. Yes I know but wouldn’t you think that after his gaffe on the campaign trail he’d be a bit more careful of how he represents the numbers? I think we give him way too much credit. As MO says, he’s disorganized. I would add “sloppy” to that.

  31. admin: great article, hits the nail on the head again.

    I may not be able to afford a gallon of gas, I may not be able to afford my light bill, but I own my freaking VOTE!

  32. h t t p : / / noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/03/i%e2%80%99ve-been-banned-at-dailykos-because-of-john-edwards/

    I’ve Been Banned At DailyKos Because Of John Edwards

    Catch me at 7 p.m. PT today on the radio show, Sunday Inquisition, talking about the Edwards scandal and the media. Visit my blog, Stranahan.com. (SusanUnPC’s note: Here is Lee’s listing at IMDb.)

    Cool picture from florian.b who also features this quote…

    “Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.” — Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

    NOTE: I’ll be appearing as a guest tonight on Erin Kotecki Vest’s Sunday Inquisition show talking about the Edwards scandal and the media at 7pm Pacific time. Erin also wrote this piece about me getting banned.

    About a week ago, I posted a piece on the Huffington Post called Say It Ain’t So, John. I didn’t think it would have much more impact than my usual posts…maybe a dozen comments or so, a couple of people linking to it. I cross posted on DailyKos, which is probably the best known and biggest progressive blog. I’ve been posting at Kos for a long time. As more news about Edwards has come out, I followed up with more posts which were also the subject of a large number of comments. All of them looked at the Edwards situation from my point of view; that is, a liberal who is concerned about the implications this story may have in November.

    Now I’m banned. I can’t write about ANYTHING at Kos. Can’t comment, can’t post a non-Edwards piece. Nothing.

    And I stand by my title – it’s largely John Edward’s fault that I’m banned. I’m now personally a small piece of fallout from the scandal. That’s because Edward’s defense is shoot the messenger, not answer the questions. The rabid response of the people on Kos is directly related to Edwards and his own response. That’s exactly why I’m saying this has the potential to hurt the Democratic brand.

    So answer the effin’ questions already, John. For everyone’s sake.

    I’m not sure if the DailyKos is going to take down my writing and make me a complete un-person there. Of course, real progressives are against censorship so Maryscott O’Connor’s blog MyLeftWing is my new community home. (Maryscott was the lead actress in my film Breathing Room about 13 years ago, by the way.)

    Here are the pieces I wrote on Kos that caused the problems…if you look, I’m not writing about anything that isn’t being written about already.

    Say It Ain’t So, DailyKos

    Dissent, Disloyalty, And Disappointment

    Irrefutable Proof Of The John Edwards Scandal

  33. Well, well, well.

    So, after the Credentials Committee succeeded in stealing delegates from Hillary Clinton (thereby catapulting Obama to the [4 years in the making] frontrunner status) Obama now says Florida and Michigan should be granted their full votes.

    How insulting to the intelligence of the citizens of this country and ESPECIALLY those two states that we have all been used as PAWNS in the (Operations Board Games) unDemocratic Game of Cheating Chess.

    Haven’t I seen this movie before? Several times by now? Deja vu?

    Like Gomer Pyle says,” Surprise, surprise!”

    NObama NOvember.

    Checkmate.

    PUMA

  34. ‘dead ender’ huh?

    hmmmmmmm

    november, obama will be ‘dead meat’….
    if we go down, we,re taking him down with us…. 🙂

  35. Here’ the NoQuarter article about Big Bill

    Remember that Senator from Illinois? No, not Barack. I mean Abe. Unlike Barack–who is petty and small minded–Abraham Lincoln recognized the need for graciousness and charity in binding of the wounds of a nation wracked by civil war. So how tough can it be to calm the waters from a bruising Democratic primary in which no one died? Seems that task is way too difficult for Barack. Instead of promoting Democratic coalition politics and political unity, Obama has decided to ignore Bill Clinton. He won’t pick up the phone, not interested in advice, and apparently is too self-absorbed to realize that even Bill Clinton might have some value in a national election.

    What does Obama think he’s doing? Is Obama waiting to fall far behind John McCain before he picks up the phone to ask Bill Clinton what he might do? Is he waiting before he’s behind in the swing states before the convention?

    How does Obama propose to rally the Democratic Party base? Does he imagine that his personality to so attractive that he doesn’t need a united party? Instead of forging a unified party, he is building a cult of personality.

    Supposedly, it will trump the tried and true ways of winning. Forget about putting together the alliances that have won in the past. Obama will simply stun us into dream-like worship and enthusiasm.

    Attention, Obamabots! What if this is Obama’s game plan and there isn’t another one. What if the McCain campaign has him dead-on. What if the media can’t win it for Obama? Worried yet? Still in denial?

    SEE the Washington Post.

    With a negligible relationship with Sen. Barack Obama — he has spoken to him just once since the primaries — Clinton has been shut out of the Obama campaign almost entirely and does not know even basic things, such as the role he will play at the Democratic convention.

  36. Admin, Love the flip-fop-flim-flam. 😛
    Everyone,
    Gotta admit I’m feeling discouraged, especially after today’s news that His Snobbiness now wants to seat florida and Michigan in full. And he calls McCain cynical?
    Anyway, I found this article about NBC being accused of racism and thought you might appreciate the irony here. I’m posting it in full.
    Tom Brokaw Angrily Denies NBC Racism Charge

    NBC’s “Meet the Press” interim moderator Tom Brokaw has responded sharply to a charge that the network is racist for hiring only white males to host the show.

    The charge came from Scott Pellegrino in an article carried by CounterPunch, a mostly left-wing newsletter and Web site.

    Pellegrino, a veteran talk-radio producer, pointed out that there have been nine permanent hosts of “Meet the Press” since 1953 — “all of them white and all of them male, as though the civil rights and women’s movements never happened.”

    He then initiated an e-mail exchange with Brokaw, asking in his first e-mail to Brokaw’s assistant if the veteran newsman thought it would be “appropriate” for NBC to hire a person of color as the next “Meet the Press” host.

    Brokaw responded in an e-mail disclosed by Pellegrino that he is “not in charge” of selecting the next permanent host following the death of Tim Russert. But he stated that there are many men and women “of all colors and backgrounds who are on the long list of possibilities.”

    Pellegrino, president and CEO of PopDebate and CollegiateDebates — which tout themselves as “the Web’s premier portal for stimulating intellectual exchange among the globe’s sharpest minds” — replied the same day. He said that while Brokaw is not in charge of picking the next host, he more than anyone else at NBC has the “gravitas” to influence the choice.

    When Brokaw did not respond for six days, Pellegrino ratcheted up the vitriol in an e-mail with the subject line “Mr. Brokaw, very disappointed in your cowardly silence,” asking: “Where is your conscience? Is your life nothing more than an exclusive white-male country club?”

    Brokaw angrily responded: “What kind of self-aggrandizing stunt is this?” He went out to document his long career reporting on issues of race and “advocating racial fairness and justice,” citing among other works a “prize-winning documentary called ‘Separate and Unequal’ about the economic and social consequences of the continuing racism in America.”

    He called Pellegrino a “cheap shot columnist looking for an easy headline.”

    In a later e-mail Brokaw wrote: “If I say publicly that NBC must choose an African-American as the new host and then NBC management decides on an African-American man or woman based entirely on merit, what do you think the reaction will be? Oh, he/she got the job simply because they’re black.”

    In his next e-mail Pellegrino called NBC a “racist” media company, along with several other media entities he named.

    At that point Steve Capus, president of NBC News, sent an e-mail to Pellegrino stating that “Tom has finishing communicating with you,” adding that Pellegrino is “more intent on pathetic cheap shots and deranged rants.”

    Insider Report from Newsmax.com

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    1. Tom Brokaw Angrily Denies NBC Racism Charge

    NBC’s “Meet the Press” interim moderator Tom Brokaw has responded sharply to a charge that the network is racist for hiring only white males to host the show.

    The charge came from Scott Pellegrino in an article carried by CounterPunch, a mostly left-wing newsletter and Web site.

    Pellegrino, a veteran talk-radio producer, pointed out that there have been nine permanent hosts of “Meet the Press” since 1953 — “all of them white and all of them male, as though the civil rights and women’s movements never happened.”

    He then initiated an e-mail exchange with Brokaw, asking in his first e-mail to Brokaw’s assistant if the veteran newsman thought it would be “appropriate” for NBC to hire a person of color as the next “Meet the Press” host.

    Brokaw responded in an e-mail disclosed by Pellegrino that he is “not in charge” of selecting the next permanent host following the death of Tim Russert. But he stated that there are many men and women “of all colors and backgrounds who are on the long list of possibilities.”

    Pellegrino, president and CEO of PopDebate and CollegiateDebates — which tout themselves as “the Web’s premier portal for stimulating intellectual exchange among the globe’s sharpest minds” — replied the same day. He said that while Brokaw is not in charge of picking the next host, he more than anyone else at NBC has the “gravitas” to influence the choice.

    When Brokaw did not respond for six days, Pellegrino ratcheted up the vitriol in an e-mail with the subject line “Mr. Brokaw, very disappointed in your cowardly silence,” asking: “Where is your conscience? Is your life nothing more than an exclusive white-male country club?”

    Brokaw angrily responded: “What kind of self-aggrandizing stunt is this?” He went out to document his long career reporting on issues of race and “advocating racial fairness and justice,” citing among other works a “prize-winning documentary called ‘Separate and Unequal’ about the economic and social consequences of the continuing racism in America.”

    He called Pellegrino a “cheap shot columnist looking for an easy headline.”

    In a later e-mail Brokaw wrote: “If I say publicly that NBC must choose an African-American as the new host and then NBC management decides on an African-American man or woman based entirely on merit, what do you think the reaction will be? Oh, he/she got the job simply because they’re black.”

    In his next e-mail Pellegrino called NBC a “racist” media company, along with several other media entities he named.

    At that point Steve Capus, president of NBC News, sent an e-mail to Pellegrino stating that “Tom has finishing communicating with you,” adding that Pellegrino is “more intent on pathetic cheap shots and deranged rants.”

  37. Thank you, Annie Carmel, for posting the article.

    The decision about FL and MI does not surprise me, in the least. They would be counted, when it couldn’t help Hillary, and since the convention will not be open, it really doesn’t matter. Great, they’ll be able to cast their votes, but the procedure will be a sham.

  38. 😳
    Sorry for the double post.

    For those interested, here’s the line-up for next week’s hcsfjm.

    No Obama Talk Show line-up August 4 – August 9

    Monday, August 4 – Reverand James D. Manning, A minister who has his heart in the right place and his mind on our biggest fears regarding Obama

    Tuesday, August 5 – Our “Mystery Guest”, Larry Sinclair, the most controversial person in the limelight regarding Obama. Mr. Sinclair will be here to tell us the truth about Obama’s past and how it’s being covered up. No calls will be taken the first of the show.

    Wednesday, August 6 – Anne Franklin, the other co-founder of the site, clintons4mccain. Another knowledgeable woman who is in the know and can answer all your immediate questions.

    Thursday, August 7 – no one person has committed. I will let know know as soon as I get confirmations.

    Friday, August 8 – Anna Barone with New Yorkers4McCain. Ms. Barone has traveled all over the country as a volunteer for Hillary’s campaign and has also witnessed and experienced Obaman’s supporters abuse first hand.

    All these shows should be very interesting and hope you will join us.

    Ed has also announced that he would like to start a new show that would air Monday thru Friday from 5 – 6pm CT and if you or someone you know may be interested in hosting a show, please contact Ed via email at barhfarms@gmail.com.

  39. I don’t feel sad about NBC and I hope they continue to press the issue and call them out. KARMA is a bitch!

    I don’t feel sad or upset about what is going on with the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY…because I OWN MY VOTE!

    It didn’t happen overnight and it will take time but we will get our party back after we PURGE these undemocratic weak leaders out.

    You have a choice and for me that is voting for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. I will NOT reward these bunch of MORALLY BANKRUPTED COWARDS in the DNC.

    No Way!!!

  40. To diss the only Democratic president to serve two consecutive terms since FDR is the ultimate betrayal to the citizens of the United States of America.

    Just who in the hell does this LOSER think he is? I know, I know – The One. The Saviour of the World.

    Admin is right on the money. Obama has made hopeless, hapless fools out of his “fans”, not “supporters.”

    Would ANY Republican Convention shut out a Bush? Not even with the lousy leadership we have seen the past eight years would it ever happen.

    Hate to admit it – but the Republicans have TONS more class than the New unDemocratic? Party.

    The DNC is a disgrace and should be PUBLICLY humiliated.

    NObama NOvember.

    BTW – Can’t wait to see the footage of BHO in Kenya BLASTING the country he plans to represent as KING.

    I hear he’s got his team together for the transition already.

    Has Ludicrus (sp?) purchased wholesale paint yet to paint the White House black?

    Have Ayers and Dohrn been given a set of blueprints yet for bombing the WH and Capitol – to finish off what the 9/11 terrorists didn’t?

    Has the D.C. law firm, representing the wireless networks, been promised back-to-back sleepovers in the Lincoln Bedroom after destroying the record of phone conversations between Larry Sinclair and MURDERED Donald Young, TUCC Choir Director?

    Has Joe Biden been promised the Sec of State position after son Beau, Delaware AG, managed to have Sinclair arrested immediately following the NPC outing of BHO on bogus charges?

    Welcome to the New Frontier, folks. The US flag was taken off the tail of BHO’s plane, and replaced with his “O” symbol.

    The Commies are taking over our country without firing a single shot.

    And we need to take drastic action, go to the mat, WHATEVER – to wrestle OUR country back from TYRANNY.

    Look at the blank expressionless faces and flat affect of Communists.

    Look and look and look.

    This statement doesn’t have to mean deceased:

    Give me Liberty or Give Me Death.

  41. curiosityhasme, that was a great post!
    GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!!
    I had no idea that it was Biden’s son that got larry arrested.
    I beginning to think this whole thing was a set for the Clinton’s to be kicked out from the time she said she was going to run.
    I think the people that ran originally were all in the pot with Obama and Axelrove.

    I can’t wait to watch the fall of the DNC with Axelrove and Obama in the boat with them.

    You remember Al Gore did not ask for Bill help and look what happened he lost. Guess what they will never win. BO and Dean are LOser’s and always have been!

  42. I hope the democrats keep talking about McCain’s Celeb and The One videos….those videos are HITS over 2 millions YOUTUBE hits and counting.

  43. curiosity,
    I’ll go one step further. I honestly feel that if Waffles manages to get into the WH, there could be a Civil War.

    On another note, i saw this post giving instructions to fresh troll recruits aboout how to ‘schmooze’ their way into ‘enemy territory.”

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

    ‘Stop waiting for Obama to do the dirty fighting. He is the leader. We are the troops. We are the mean, dirty, nasty, smear-fighting, under the belt counter-punching change that we’ve been waiting for.

    So how do you fight this onslaught?

    One thing to remember is that when you are off this board, hanging out with conservatives and moderates on other boards, you are in enemy territory. You need to be on your best behavior. No one approach will succeed with your audience and your style. Find your honest voice and use it. But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation – learn to fake another style.

    What works: humor, facts, honesty, personal experience, passion. Some audiences love historical context and comparisons. Not too short; not too long. One liners can raise a question, bring a laugh, or make a point. Very long screeds are rarely read by anyone. Fresh information works – bring some news no one has seen yet.

    What does not work: becoming a forum troll. If people perceive you as an unreasoning opponent of their POV you will be blown off and pilloried. Constant swearing. Bitterness. Fear. Desperation. None of these are effective tools.

  44. NQ is smoking tonight!

    Check out this unbelievable NYT headline about Waffles flip on oil drilling.

    Breaking! New York Times Rewrites History: ‘McCain Joins Obama On Offshore Drilling’

    In perhaps the most biased, incorrect, misleading and blatantly disgusting piece of journalism this campaign season, the Global Edition of the New York Times – The International Herald Tribune has published an article entitled: McCain Joins Obama On Offshore Drilling.

  45. curiosityhasme Says:
    August 3rd, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    Give me Liberty or Give Me Death.
    ——————————–

    our motto in NH is “live free or die”. it’s even on our license plates. i always thought it kind of funny and a bit much, until now.

  46. an article regarding Obama’s choice of VP. I don’t want Hillary as his VP, and I do like the continuing talk about this in the media. It will only further anger many Hillary supporters, and create more chaos. Karma!
    —————————————————-
    VP pick may chafe Hillary supporters

    Many of the foremost activists in the women’s movement ardently believe that Hillary Rodham Clinton should be Barack Obama’s running mate — and primary wounds that are just beginning to heal may be torn back open should the Democratic nominee select someone else, as it seems very likely he will.

    Geraldine Ferraro, a Clinton supporter who in 1984 became the first woman on a major party presidential ticket, said Obama should be “gracious” enough to offer Clinton the vice presidency, considering how narrow the race was.

    Marcia Pappas, who heads the New York state chapter of the National Organization for Women, believes that Clinton supporters “would be outraged to know she was not given that right of first refusal.”

    “She is the only woman in history who has ever garnered this much support,” Pappas continued. “She is the only woman in history who was able to raise the kind of money one would need to run a presidential campaign.”

    Pamela Sumners, who directs the Missouri chapter of the abortion-rights group NARAL, added that Clinton “is now seen as the reigning dean of the women’s movement. It’s sort of Moses gets all the way to the mountain and doesn’t get to the promised land — and I think there would be people really angry about that.”

    About one in five voters who supported Clinton in the Democratic primaries tell pollsters that they are not voting for Obama, according to a mid-July Quinnipiac University national poll of likely voters — a number that’s only slightly lower than when Clinton dropped out and the conventional wisdom had it that support would coalesce around the presumptive nominee after a brief cooling-off period.

    The split isn’t limited to women. “No matter who he picks,” said former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, “the question is going to be raised: Are you telling me that this person would be a better qualified vice president than Hillary Clinton?”

    While there had been speculation that Obama might seek to mend fences by tapping another woman for the role, this seems increasingly unlikely — and it’s not clear that even if it did happen that it would help with Clinton loyalists, especially since the most-often named women all endorsed Obama in the primaries, earning the resentment of many leaders of women’s organizations.

    “If he picked Claire McCaskill or [Janet] Napolitano [or Kathleen] Sebelius, I think it would annoy women,” Ferraro said.

    Ferraro added that “those are women who we spent our lifetime helping run for office” and that “a lot of us are not happy with these women for not supporting Hillary because they came to us for help based in large part on their gender.”

    “I would be very concerned about his judgment if he offered the position to another woman before offering it to Hillary Clinton,” Pappas said, “or any person.”

    “The women who have been elected to office in this time in history are the beneficiaries of the women’s movement,” Pappas continued. “And it’s disheartening to see those same women turn their backs on another woman who is better qualified, and one can only wonder what they are getting out of their decision to turn their back.”

    Any selection other than Clinton will reinforce some women’s sense that the most qualified candidate, a woman, has been passed over for the position.

    Clinton has in this sense become a metaphor for the women’s movement itself.

    “There are a lot of women apoplectic at the discussion of Bob Barr and Chuck Hagel,” said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women.

    “It seems like the smart choice will be to pick Hillary Clinton because she adds so much to the ticket but the second choice should be a nominee who supported Hillary Clinton, to try and bring the sides together.”

    Clinton’s most vocal sympathizers, like Sumners, warned that Obama cannot presume that Clinton’s supporters will return to the Democratic fold no matter who he selects.

    Obama’s assertion at a closed-door meeting with members of the Congressional Black Caucus that Clinton’s supporters will “get over it,” once they consider the choice between him and presumptive Republican candidate John McCain, further frustrated many women.

    “Those adamant Clinton supporters, the older, and I would say wealthier women, and some of the better known feminists from the dark ages, I think they will use his vice presidential choice, whether a woman or a man, as an excuse not to support him,” said Joan Hoff, an historian at Montana State University and a former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency.

    “There is disappointment out there,” noted Ellen Moran, executive director of women’s political group EMILY’s List. But she added that the “Obama campaign is taking important steps to reach out to and welcome and incorporate Hillary Clinton supporters.”

    Part of that outreach took place when Moran and EMILY’s List president Ellen Malcolm flew to Chicago after the Democratic primary to meet with Obama’s senior advisers.

    That outreach will culminate at the Democratic National Convention, where Clinton is scheduled to speak on Aug. 26 — which is also the 88th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote, a bit of symbolism that may chafe some of her supporters.

    “I’m sorry to say this but I do think [the Democratic divide] is sort of significant,” Hoff said. “It could have an impact. It’s not that you need a lot of them,” meaning Clinton supporters who will sit out the general or vote for McCain. “You just need enough of them in key places.”

    Hoff compared the current dynamic to the Republicans in 1976, when Ronald Reagan’s supporters never fully rallied to Gerald Ford, and the Democrats in 1980, when Edward M. Kennedy’s supporters never fully warmed to Jimmy Carter.

    “Ford lost because the neoconservatives sat on their hands and didn’t turn out to vote. The real worry is that [Clinton’s supporters] are going to sit on their hands, the older feminists,” Hoff said. “I’m telling you they’re mad.

    “It’s not that they are going to vote for McCain,” Hoff added. “It’s just that they are not going to get out there on the hustings” for Obama.

  47. Thanks confloyd.

    Admin has this whole thing sized up to a tee.

    Hillary IS being held HOSTAGE. And the party of FDR has slowly faded away. I agree with you and others that the “fix” has been in for years.

    Like the recent Susan Estrich article states, John Edwards gets the protected arm from the BHO camp, but not a former president. Lewinsky might be the New unDemocratic? Party’s excuse for dissing BC, and deciding the Clintons were of no further use, but at least she (Monica) didn’t have a Love Child (media blackout in-the-tank-for Obama John Edwards).

    BHO’s corrupt Chicago-thug lifestyle has been off-limits to the citizens via the joke of a FREE press in our unDemocratically-controlled Big Media circus, and Edwards’ bleeding-heart “poverty and working-class” concerns rings more hollow by the day.

    The Clintons – Bill and Hillary, have more love of country and equality, more love for their fellow man – the poor, the downtrodden collectively, than the whole damn New unDemocratic? Party combined, exponentially.

    I am ashamed and embarrassed to be at all associated with any aspect of this tyrannical takeover, and have ceased to be amazed at the dens of dumbasses falling at The One’s feet. Have they no shame or pride? Pathetically stupifying, really.

    Again – the empty, lifeless look of the people under Communist regimes – void of hope and self-respect for “taking it” leaves great pause for us all. We should all remember the Holocaust. It could certainly happen again. Persecution by Big Media/BHO for having the nerve to think for yourself, is now a daily thing.

    Admin scores again and again.

    NObama NOvember

    Communism’s veil of Nothingness.

    DEAD END indeed.

  48. When will the media have to start telling the truth?

    THE DAY THE ONE FAILS TO WIN THE CONVENTION OR GE. WHICH EVER COMES FIRST.

    It is obvious that the people do not believe or trust the media in this election. If we believed the media, that initial wild story which said O would win by the highest % imaginable, would have sent his polling into double digits.

    The only one buying this stuff at this point is the media.

  49. The issue I have with using the word ‘hostage’ to describe HRC’s position is that it implies helplessness, dependence, an inability to solve the problem, fend for oneself, extricate oneself from a trap.

    I do not believe HRC is a victim or helpless. She is playing her cards as she sees fit. I don’t agree with some of what she’s doing especially with regards to supporting Waffles and not demanding her name be put in nomination but I am convinced she’s running her show and trying to make the most of the situation. I still think she should do more but she’s gotta play her hand her way.
    Like BC said, maybe in January will get some insight into what’s really been going down.

  50. Bayh is good, and has executive experience, and he won’t outshine BO. Won’t make me vote for the ticket.

  51. If Bayh is Obama vp he might as well chuck his political asspirations aside.

    The GOP has not yet begun to fight and the closer in contact with “The One” the worst it is for you.

  52. “No matter who he picks,” said former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, “the question is going to be raised: Are you telling me that this person would be a better qualified vice president than Hillary Clinton?”

    Bingo!

    (Although I think Bayh IS a better choice than Kaine.)

  53. The Dems and O (since he now defines and controls the Dems) just keep digging a bigger hole.

    People judge for themselves arrogance, and elitism. His Private SF conversation, his senior staffs deal with Canada, the way he has blown off states he cannot compete in, the remarks of his wife, how he keeps saying I am the one you can believe in, the stealing of the election to include screwing FL and MI, then acting like he is the king and can do what he please now that he has IGNORED the will of the Dem People, all form a perfect image of a corrupt Politician.

    The American people might not have the education that was given O, but

    THEY OWN THEIR VOTE.

  54. Agree that BHO has at least figured out that to select a running mate that opposed HRC is a gamble. Biden over Judas, er – Richardson, sure. At least Biden doesn’t owe his entire political career to a Clinton – but he still turned his back on a much longer association with the Clintons for a shot as BHO’s VP or SS IMHO. However, not the smartest political strategy for trying to capture the “over 40 women” as Dick Morris points out repeatedly. Edwards screwed up (had to throw that pun in, sorry)thankfully. Gore is too Green, and “in the green,” if you know what I mean. This “women-over-40-and-mad-as-hell-group”, of which I am a PROUD member, will flatly reject and denounce ANY woman who is closen to “placate” us, to satisfy the gender bias. Don’t insult us again. That’s really rubbing our faces in it. BIG MISTAKE.

    So, that narrows the choices significantly. Those first mentioned (Strickland, etc.) have backed as far away as possible from this DEAD END. They know a LOSER when they see one. Bayh is as likely I suppose as anyone to be on the shortest short list. Attractive and long-standing career. Blah Bayh will not excite the base as the BHO team hopes, and a huge percentage of HRC supporters will not support the ticket, regardless of their fondness for Bayh. He will have the blessing of HRC, however, who will not consider this as a slight to her. Still – too much to overcome with the Chicago Corruption, terrorist and New Order ties for Blah Bayh to save the day for BHO.

    In the final analysis – WHO CARES? We will not support BHO REGARDLESS of the VP pick.

    NObama NOticket NOvember

    Eighteen million – like A Man Without a Country. Lost, looking for Ms. Right – HRC.

  55. O-Force One
    Posted by Allison O’Keefe| 110

    Barack Obama’s new campaign plane is nothing short of grand. Well, for the candidate that is.

    Obama’s section of the plane rivals that of any first class. Recently the front cabin of the Boeing 757 was retrofitted to install four individual chairs that resemble La-Z-Boys. They are free-standing and made of plush leather with pockets on the sides. There is also a booth which seats four for a meeting or a meal.

    His chair has his name and campaign logo embroidered on the back top — “Obama ‘08” on one line and “President” underneath. To one side is a small table stacked with newspapers ready for the candidate’s arrival. The table of the booth is always covered in snacks and cheese and is where Obama spends most of his time during flights meeting with staff and sitting for the occasional interview.

    “Typically the candidate’s cabin is like business class — roomier and less chaotic than the staff and press areas, but still short of the accoutrements of a pro team’s charter,” says Politico’s Mike Allen, a frequent campaign flier.

    After looking at a few photos of Obama’s cabin, Allen quipped, “Air Force One may seem a tad claustrophobic.” Check it out for yourself:

    There are five sections on the 757, the first of which is Obama’s section, which can seat up to eight people at a time, although rarely are all eight seats taken. Depending on the destination or length of trip, Sen. Obama is joined by body man Reggie Love and a few senior staff members or perhaps a key Senate colleague. Recently, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., hitched a ride from Washington, D.C., to her home state for a full day of campaign events.

    The next two sections are outfitted with expansive business class seats for senior and junior level staff including Obama’s media team, which films all of the candidate’s events for promotional purposes.

    The back two sections are traditional coach seats where the Secret Service, reporters, cameramen and some of the communications staff sit. It is a rite of passage each election cycle for the party’s nominee to retrofit an aircraft to distinct specifications. While the campaign pays for their share of the plane, the news media also pay thousands of dollars to fly with Obama for each leg of his campaign.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4317827.shtml
    ******************************************************
    Obama monogramed his plane seat to say President…Arrogance thy name is Obama.

  56. “I am convinced she’s running her show and trying to make the most of the situation.”

    Great post, Basil! 🙂

  57. Anybody in the media have the guts to ask Obama why he wants to seat the delegates now as opposed to before Hillary suspended her campaign?

  58. Before they select Judas, they better make sure he has been throughly vetted.

    In addition, his state know that he gave them the finger.

  59. Nader Campaign Stops In Davis
    Nader and running mate Gonzalez look to Davis for support in presidential election
    Written by ALI EDNEY
    Published August 4, 2008
    The line outside of Varsity Theatre wrapped around the block Saturday night, but those waiting weren’t there for a movie. They were waiting for Ralph Nader.

    Nader and running mate Matt Gonzalez came to Varsity Theatre on Saturday to speak at a campaign rally, where they focused on their campaign goals and challenges.

    The people in line were young and old, local and from surrounding communities, passionate Nader-supporters and undecideds checking him out. All were over-warm in the evening heat, waiting for the doors to the air-conditioned theater to open.

    A group of pre-adolescent girls walked by the growing line, giggling and curious.

    “What’s the line for?” one girl asks.

    “Ralph Nader,” another said.

    “What’s that?”

    Despite lack of name-recognition among teenage girls, Nader is polling at 6 percent nationally, according to the most recent CNN poll and has now qualified for the ballot in 21 states.

    Just hours before his visit to Davis, the California Peace and Freedom Party announced that Nader, an Independent, would be the party’s presidential candidate on the California ballot in November, a major step for his campaign.

    Matt Gonzalez, a San Francisco politician, took the stage first on Saturday. He opened and closed with a heated message responding to demands that Nader apologize to people who believe his campaign took away votes from Democratic Party candidate John Kerry in 2004.
    continue….

    http://www.californiaaggie.com/article/1220

  60. Bayh is driven by the daddy thing. Like Papa Bush and Baby Bush. Like Papa Gore and Baby Gore.

    Bayh would like to be Prez for his politico daddy.

    BUT, so would Romney. Smile.

  61. Why John Kerry Lost
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 02:46:45 PM EST

    Open Left provides direct evidence of why John Kerry is a loser. From Meet the Press:

    MR. BROKAW: We’re going to get to all those issues, but I also want to raise what a surrogate for Senator Obama had to say to my friend Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation.” This is former General Wesley Clark talking about John McCain. He said, “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.” He described him as untested and untried. With all due respect, Senator Kerry, he could have been talking about your qualifications. You’re a Vietnam veteran…

    SEN. KERRY: Yeah, I, I don’t agree. I don’t agree with Wes Clark’s comment. I think it was entirely inappropriate. I have nothing but enormous respect for John McCain’s service. . . . I have awe for John McCain’s experience as a prisoner of war, and he, and he does understand duty and service. . . .

    (Emphasis supplied.) John Kerry embodies the loser wing of the Democratic Party. He is a terrible surrogate in all circumstances, and was particularly bad today. Why the Obama camp continues to trot him out is beyond comprehension.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/3/154645/6015
    ******************************************************
    I love it when Obama trot out John Kerry to speak for him. John Kerry is the gift that keeps on giving.

  62. Another think I love about John Kerry is that he is giving Taylor Marsh “fits” on her site.

    I’m rotfl at how mad she is at Kerry performance on MTP. Keep up the Great work John Kerry, anything to make thoses former traiters mad makes my day. This will be the only time I’ll post this website but it fit in with the Admins remarks.

    John Kerry Gives Losing Lessons Again
    BY TAYLOR MARSH
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28158

  63. Raw Data: New Battleground States
    by Associated Press
    Sunday, August 3, 2008

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    ALASKA:

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1964

    Electoral votes: 3

    2004 margin: George Bush, 61 percent; John Kerry, 36 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 59 percent; Al Gore, 28 percent

    Governor: Republican Sarah Palin

    Congressional breakdown: Two Republican senators; one Republican congressman

    GEORGIA

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1992

    Electoral votes: 15

    2004 margin: George Bush, 58 percent; John Kerry, 41 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 55 percent; Al Gore, 43 percent

    Governor: Republican Sonny Perdue

    Congressional breakdown: Two Republican senators; seven Republican congressmen, six Democratic congressmen

    INDIANA

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1964

    Electoral votes: 11

    2004 margin: George Bush, 60 percent; John Kerry, 39 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 57 percent; Al Gore, 41 percent

    Governor: Republican Mitch Daniels

    Congressional breakdown: One Republican senator, one Democratic senator; four Republican congressmen, five Democratic congressmen

    MONTANA:

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1992

    Electoral votes: 3

    2004 margin: George Bush, 59 percent; John Kerry, 39 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 58 percent; Al Gore, 33 percent

    Governor: Democrat Brian Schweitzer

    Congressional breakdown: Two Democratic senators; one Republican congressman

    NORTH CAROLINA:

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1976

    Electoral votes: 15

    2004 margin: George Bush, 56 percent; John Kerry, 44 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 56 percent; Al Gore, 43 percent

    Governor: Democrat Mike Easley

    Congressional breakdown: Two Republican senators; six Republican congressmen, seven Democratic congressmen

    NORTH DAKOTA:

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1964

    Electoral votes: 3

    2004 margin: George Bush, 63 percent; John Kerry, 35 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 61 percent; Al Gore, 33 percent

    Governor: Republican John Hoeven

    Congressional breakdown: Two Democratic senators; one Democratic congressman

    VIRGINIA:

    Last voted for a Democratic presidential candidate: 1976

    Electoral votes: 13

    2004 margin: George Bush, 54 percent; John Kerry, 45 percent

    2000 margin: George Bush, 52 percent; Al Gore, 44 percent

    Governor: Democrat Tim Kaine

    Congressional breakdown: One Republican senator, One Democratic senator; eight Republican congressmen, three Democratic congressmen

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/03/raw-data-new-battleground-states/

  64. Be careful, fake Denver Group website set up. They have left off The

    Imitation might be the sincerest form of flattery but spoofing isnt.
    Someone has set up a spoof site of the Denver Group, calling itself
    The Denver Group but dropping the “the” from the web address setting
    up a bogus site on Blogspot. Given that we are involved in the
    Presidential election and that our activities are governed by the FEC,
    as is our fundraising, this is not a harmless prank and we are going
    to take appropriate action.

    Correct website: h t t p : / /thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

  65. What disconncerts me greatly is the failure of the gay press to report on Obamas homophobia. I a gay male 41 who still supports Hillary am at a complete loss when talking to young gay men who think Obama is sexy or cool and that Hillary threw the gay community under the bus with don’t ask don’t tell. When I tell them that she was the first First Lady to march in a gay pride parade. They scoff and tell me michelle and obama are all about marriage equity. Asking them to site an instance where either took such a position, I am met with the change argument and don’t ask again. When I mention Mcklurkin/ MaryMary/and his refusing to have his picture taken with Gavin Newsom I am told I am buying into the press’s anti-obama rhetorhic. When I bring up his cousins implemantation of Shiara(sp?) law which allows for the execution of homosexuals I am called a xenophobic.
    Any and all responses which could perhaps help me in dissuading these kids(22-30) from the one would be most appreciated. I have managed to get at least a few to read beyond CNN.

  66. Don’t ask don’t tell was Bill Clinton’s policy. What does that have to do with Hillary???? She wasn’t president then.

  67. Henry, They really like to accuse us of buying into the media view of Obama, the idiots are the one that hav e bought hook line and sinker.

  68. Hey
    I am aware of the absurdity of the arguments I get. I think the problem is that the gay press must now be owned by conglomerates. think about it gays don’t have kids so ergo they have more disposable income and thus advertisers want to reach them. so buy up the gay papers and print faux news to fit your agenda.
    My cry for help was what else can I say? I have pointed out repeatedly that don’t ask was bill’s policy not hers. Unfortunately she gets none of the credit for the good and all of the credit for the bad. Even though I disagree with people who chastize Prez Clinton for DADT as it was the first time sans AIDS that homosexuality was discussed openly on a national format. Things take time and I think everyon is better off for the courage that Prez Clinton exhibited.

  69. Why doesn’t Obama send some of the money he spent on that plane to his mother country Africa. He and Oprah are cut off the same twig. They want all of us poor people to support Africa, while they ride around in their private jets and eat only organic food.

  70. confloyd
    at the risk of offending many I wonder why all of the hip hop stars wearing diamonds can claim any affinity to Africa as it is well documented that most diamonds are mined with reprehensible for the miners. Akin to slavery. The film blood diamond was fictional but not too far from the truth. So these young stars in thier bling bling want to scream about oppression in America yet they support and proudly wear such ill-gotten goods. Anderson Cooper/Oprah report on that.

  71. This is what I don’t understand. Since BO has now decided to give MI and Fl full voting power does that mean that what the PUMAs are doing trying desparately to get Hillary on the roll call vote is now all a waste of time??

  72. Nationwide ‘Hussein’ middle name craze

    h t t p : / / http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8781020

    SPOKANE — His full name is Barack Hussein Obama. Its a name that his own campaign is trying to downplay, one that skeptics have attacked and now an entire online community of Obama supporters is playing a name game trying to remove the stigma associated with ‘Hussein’.
    “I think they’re trying to instill terror and fear in the people,” said Obama supporter Gary Hussein Ackerson.

    Gary is about as Caucasian as they come.

    “I’m a white, Anglo-Saxon protestant,” he said.

    But his name isn’t. It’s becoming something of an online phenomenon, thousands of people

    nationwide, several right here at home, changing their middle names to support their candidate.

    Not only are they changing their cyberspace middle name, in some cases their legal middle name to Hussein.

    “It’s to take away the stigma of a middle name that’s really charged in this nation,” said Jillian Boshart.

    Boshart, a college student changed her middle name to Hussein as well, joining Barack, Gary and others.

    “It’s our middle name too. Not that big of a deal. What’s in a name?” asked Boshart.

    The name change was fairly simple for Jillian, several of her friends have already “Hussein-ed” themselves.

    “Daniel Hussein Ready, Willy Hussein Richardson, that’s probably one of the best names,” she said.

    But for Gary, a new Hussein from Colville, the change from Gary Don Ackerson has been a little bit interesting.

    “I get strange remarks, states, even angry remarks,” said Ackerson.

    He’s stirred more than a bit of controversy among his conservative friends and family.

    “My son said I was crazy,” said Gary.

    But he says he has achieved his purpose.

    “I wanna get people to think, to talk, to vote,” he said.

    If Obama wins the election, Gary Hussein Ackerson says he’ll keep the name, but what if Senator Obama loses?

    “I’ll probably change my name back to Don”, said Gary.

    The nationwide Hussein movement started with an idea from the movie Spartacus, Roman leaders were looking to find and punish a slave-turned leader Spartacus. To take the heat off of him and to keep him safe, all of his men stand up and declare, “I am Spartacus.”

    Creepier and creepier.

  73. confloyd
    never a waste of time. Hillary maybe out for 2008 but the movement is bigger than her it is about a fair process. Many, many crimes have been committed over the last eight months and many will not fall in line behind Obama, nor will the voices be silenced as part of a collective party. Laws/rules were broken or cast aside– votes were purchased, people were intimidated. This will not disappear after the August convention. People will be held accountable.

  74. Confloyd: I’m with Henry. This is about democracy and having an open system. It started with Hillary, but it is bigger than her. We have to fight back, or the corruption and evil behavior will continue. The primary was so rigged, that it is disgraceful. I am so beyond the democratic? party. I cannot vote for a democrat this year.

  75. Birdgal
    Living History
    page 36 half way down the page paragraph begins with although
    expresses my sentiments better than I can

  76. When the inner circle of an organization tells you that corruption and evil are just part of politics, then you know they are part of the problem.

    In group behavior, we set the acceptable standards. The Inner group thought we would sit down, shut up, and fold in, and we have told them it is unacceptable behavior.

    However if O is the candidate in November, and they are soundly defeated, many leading this corruption and evil will be thrown out of the group.

    I personnelly would ike to be there and wave to them as they go out the door.

  77. kostner
    the middle name thing did you see that today?
    If so they are rehashing some old stuff as two weeks ago everyone on PumaPac was changing thier screen names to include Rodham as a response to that phenommenon. Makes me smile if they are reusing an old story to show that bambi still has revelence.

  78. Obama has changed his position of so many issues that the name waffles scarcely suits him any longer. Gumbi is a better fit.

  79. If I was one of those Sierra Club types and saw gumbi take a dive on drilling I might be taking a hard look at Nader right about now.

  80. I thought Bayh was a Hillary’s friend? Shouldn’t he decline like Rendell and Strickland?
    ———————————————-
    Yup. And I think he will. Time will tell.

  81. Why do we always have to take these fucking journalists to task when it comes to reporting.

    Once again on the Bill Clinton article you get this lost or defeated terminology used to describe what occurred. That is a lie.

    The word is cheated as in “cheated out of the nomination” by three traitors at the dnc. Lets stop playing fast and loose with the truth.

  82. Henry, I just pulled out my autographed copy of Living History to read what you pointed and I have tell you that I was sad looking at it. When Hillary signed my book, I really thought she would win the nomination, but Ba&*^%Ds need to pay for what they have done to this party.
    Over at NQ they have uncovered that birth certificate the Kos kids have been circulating, apparently it is someone else bc. A woman no less born in the 70’s! Lots of speculation about whose it is! LOL!! The bots are going crazy about it!

  83. I sincerely hope bayh doesn’t take the nomination. BO deserves only Richardson. I think he would be a perfect match, both corrupt and without a conscience!

  84. wbboei, I sent you some good info on Edwards today and probably why he was outed at this time. I think it is quiet unusual that this leak took place now. I think he was set up. I think it looks like the reporters knew he was going to be there! Hmmm, Axelrove does excellent work!

  85. Texan: Is the article by regencyg: The article is posted at The Confluence, and it is brilliant. She is only 18 years old. Amazing and gifted writer.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/the-big-d-democrat/#more-3180

    The Big “D” Democrat:

    I have been a Democrat all my life. I admit that life is only 18 years old, but you have to admit these last two decades have been a couple for the record books. I’ve lived to see an illegitimate president run the country right into the ground as he cleared brush from his Texas ranch 154 days out of the year. I watched a decade of prosperity and peace crash down in unholy flames in the middle of New York when I was just 10 years old. I watched the fraudulent Commander-in-Chief trick the country into a war it didn’t need against a people that didn’t deserve it when I was 11. I watched that same huckster be told by the historic first female Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, that “impeachment [was] off the table” when I was 16. A man who had facilitated unprecedented war crimes had gotten off scot-free. And it had been my party that let it happen.

    I lived in this country during the 1990s. I knew the Clintons. I grew up worshipping Bill Clinton, that Bubba from a place called Hope with an affinity for Big Macs and a little bit of “soul” in his soul. Always having been precocious, I knew what he had done—and I didn’t like it. I didn’t forgive him for it and I don’t to this day, but that isn’t my job and never has been. Bill Clinton never needed redemption from me; he got it from the only people who had any right to offer it to him. Chelsea and Hillary Rodham Clinton evidently did just that and I stand by ‘em for it. If I had any reason at all to be upset, he was absolved by the good work he had done throughout his years in Office. Millions of new jobs created throughout this country. Millions raised from poverty to hallowed middle-class status. Even with the battles he couldn’t win—like the Defense of Marriage Act, which he abhorred but that prevented the passage of a Federal Gay-Marriage Ban; like Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell that as best it could prevented an outright ban of gays and lesbians in the military—things were a little better, positive steps in positive directions had been taken. In that decade, it was good to be alive in America. And it was my party that had made it so.

    I don’t know where that Party is today. I can’t find the path to the Third Way anymore. I remember that Way. It was innovative and new, and compassionate. It made sense in a time very different from when the last Democrat reigned. “The Third Way works to build inclusive, multiethnic societies based on common allegiance to democratic values.” It made sense, doing great things the democratically. I don’t just remember the Way, I remember the man who led it.

    I remember the man who cried as those around him struggled and deigned to share their struggles with him. I remember the President who apologized for the Tuskegee Experiment and asked that those still standing in its wake found it in their battered hearts to forgive a nation whose morality once stood so terribly bigoted. I remember the man who helped to re-enact the March on Selma because it meant so much to him. I remember a President who walked into Office on day one ready to lead, only to be stabbed in the back by the very people that brought him—but he soldiered on. That was the Way I was a part of, the Way that “embraces ‘tolerant traditionalism,’ honoring traditional moral and family values while resisting attempts to impose them on others.” There was no battle too small to undertake, no cause unworthy of effort or tears, nobody left behind. Anybody who “worked hard and played by the rules” got ahead, because no way was William Jefferson Clinton going to leave them in the dust. There it goes again, my party. Don’t know where that is now.

    see the above link for the entire article.

  86. The Big “D” Democrat.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/the-big-d-democrat/#more-3180

    Texan, is this the posting, you were referring to?

  87. have been a Democrat all my life. I admit that life is only 18 years old, but you have to admit these last two decades have been a couple for the record books. I’ve lived to see an illegitimate president run the country right into the ground as he cleared brush from his Texas ranch 154 days out of the year. I watched a decade of prosperity and peace crash down in unholy flames in the middle of New York when I was just 10 years old. I watched the fraudulent Commander-in-Chief trick the country into a war it didn’t need against a people that didn’t deserve it when I was 11. I watched that same huckster be told by the historic first female Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, that “impeachment [was] off the table” when I was 16. A man who had facilitated unprecedented war crimes had gotten off scot-free. And it had been my party that let it happen.

    see the posting at riverdaughter

  88. more of the posting:

    lived in this country during the 1990s. I knew the Clintons. I grew up worshipping Bill Clinton, that Bubba from a place called Hope with an affinity for Big Macs and a little bit of “soul” in his soul. Always having been precocious, I knew what he had done—and I didn’t like it. I didn’t forgive him for it and I don’t to this day, but that isn’t my job and never has been. Bill Clinton never needed redemption from me; he got it from the only people who had any right to offer it to him. Chelsea and Hillary Rodham Clinton evidently did just that and I stand by ‘em for it. If I had any reason at all to be upset, he was absolved by the good work he had done throughout his years in Office. Millions of new jobs created throughout this country. Millions raised from poverty to hallowed middle-class status. Even with the battles he couldn’t win—like the Defense of Marriage Act, which he abhorred but that prevented the passage of a Federal Gay-Marriage Ban; like Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell that as best it could prevented an outright ban of gays and lesbians in the military—things were a little better, positive steps in positive directions had been taken. In that decade, it was good to be alive in America. And it was my party that had made it so.

    I don’t know where that Party is today. I can’t find the path to the Third Way anymore. I remember that Way. It was innovative and new, and compassionate. It made sense in a time very different from when the last Democrat reigned. “The Third Way works to build inclusive, multiethnic societies based on common allegiance to democratic values.” It made sense, doing great things the democratically. I don’t just remember the Way, I remember the man who led it.

    see riverdaughter.

  89. When Writing SDs Please Consider This..
    by: texan4hillary
    Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 22:12:58 PM EDT
    [edit diary]

    ( – promoted by masslib)

    Hey All
    I hate to write this but feel it is very necessary for all folks in the Hillary community. It regards writing superdelegates and the manner in which it is done. We are all very upset about the situation. However, when writing these guys it is of great importance one writes with respect towards that SD. Even if you feel differently, speak in a very respectful and clear tone.
    Why am I writing this? Because I have seen many such letters to SDs. Some contain four letter words. Some call Obama a communist or worse. The goal should be to act with class as Hillary would. Antagonizing potential votes for Hillary is very harmful obviously and hurts us all.

    If you were being courted on something would you want to be called a mf*cker? Calling Obama names will do no good. Call him names online or wherever but not to these SDs. I do not want to sound school marm here but the rate of insulting emails going out to these supers is hurting us.

    I have written a great many letters to supers and in fact just got a good response from a congressman today because of the MANNER IN WHICH I WROTE. When writing:

    1.) Say you are a democrat but are very concerned about Obama’s prospects due to events x,y,z over the past few weeks and cite them.

    2.) Point out any serious negative vibes going on locally that you feel are hurting DOWNBALLOT CANDIDATES. THIS SI A HUGE CONCERN FOR SUPERS.

    3.) Mention something emotive-personal.

    4.) Say you respect whatever decision he or she reaches, but to at least keep in mind your concerns when voting.

    The best responses I get are when writing in this respectful manner.

    *****SEE BELOW FOR A SAMPLE LETTER I WROTE****

    texan4hillary :: When Writing SDs Please Consider This..
    August 2, 2008
    Congressman *****

    Dear Hon. ***** ,

    I met you here in **** during the Clinton campaign! My name is *****. I am 28 years old and live in ****. I’m a die hard Democrat as is my whole family. Life has been quite difficult for me as for many. I suffer from Crohn’s disease. I live in upper middle class America but even with insurance could not pay my bills. Therefore, I went and had to go onto disability. I get 648 dollars a month to live on-in America!

    I supported Hillary Clinton during the primary. I have said I would vote Obama come November. However, I am growing very alarmed now about Obama and his electability. He is struggling against McCain in every poll out. In Ohio, Florida and other swing states he is either behind McCain or tied. This after eight years of Bush? Something is very wrong here.

    I am a very active Democrat locally. Recently I spoke to many area candidates at a function. They expressed great upset to me about their fundraising. When I asked why their fundraising was poor they told me since Obama decided to opt out of public financing for the general things have gone further south money wise for them. Many of these folks support Obama, but have cooled significantly towards his candidacy. We are on the verge of taking back our entire county government for the first time in decades and these great Democrats running for a variety of offices are suddenly at financial disadvantage against the GOP machine. All politics is local and there are growing concerns here about Obama and the effect he is having on our down ballot races.

    Every day now, it seems Obama is struggling on the trail. He is a charismatic man who appears to be making some costly mistakes. In the past month, he changed positions on oil drilling, FISA/telecom immunity, abortion issues and more. I thought whoever became the nominee he or she would have an easy time to the White House given the eight long years of corrupt Republican rule. This is not appearing true. A recent Rasmussen poll showed Hillary, Gore and others outpolling McCain by near 10 points. Yet Obama continues to slide in polling. Worse, among Republicans, Democrats and Independents I and my friends know, Barack Obama is now not sitting well them.

    I am a Democrat because the party stands for protecting people like me. The people of this country are in physical and emotional pain from no real health insurance, rising gas prices, joblessness and many more ills. If we lose the White House again how many more will suffer? What kind of life will I have without changes in our medical system? I am aware how exhausted delegates such as yourself are with thousands of letters and calls coming to you about the nomination. However, I feel compelled to write to you. Should Obama’s performance in the swing states and nationally continue to weaken then I ask for you to consider supporting candidate Clinton in Denver.

    The times we live are very trying and require a Democrat being elected to the presidency. Losing is not an option. I am scared about our future as a country. You are in a unique position to help ensure we win the White House and folks like me can have a better life. I hope that should Obama not improve within the next few weeks then delegates such as you will do what is right and provide this country with a stronger nominee-Hillary Clinton.

    Thank you for your time,

    *********
    ********

    PS: Fellow Democrat, I am with Electability Watch and look forward to discussing every week the question of electability and why Hillary Clinton is the most electable candidate for November.

    http://www.alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=458

  90. lived in this country during the 1990s. I knew the Clintons. I grew up worshipping Bill Clinton, that Bubba from a place called Hope with an affinity for Big Macs and a little bit of “soul” in his soul. Always having been precocious, I knew what he had done—and I didn’t like it. I didn’t forgive him for it and I don’t to this day, but that isn’t my job and never has been. Bill Clinton never needed redemption from me; he got it from the only people who had any right to offer it to him. Chelsea and Hillary Rodham Clinton evidently did just that and I stand by ‘em for it. If I had any reason at all to be upset, he was absolved by the good work he had done throughout his years in Office. Millions of new jobs created throughout this country. Millions raised from poverty to hallowed middle-class status. Even with the battles he couldn’t win—like the Defense of Marriage Act, which he abhorred but that prevented the passage of a Federal Gay-Marriage Ban; like Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell that as best it could prevented an outright ban of gays and lesbians in the military—things were a little better, positive steps in positive directions had been taken. In that decade, it was good to be alive in America. And it was my party that had made it so.

  91. politico.com
    VP pick may chafe Hillary supporters
    By: David Paul Kuhn
    August 3, 2008 04:36 PM EST

    Many of the foremost activists in the women’s movement ardently believe that Hillary Rodham Clinton should be Barack Obama’s running mate — and primary wounds that are just beginning to heal may be torn back open should the Democratic nominee select someone else, as it seems very likely he will.

    Geraldine Ferraro, a Clinton supporter who in 1984 became the first woman on a major party presidential ticket, said Obama should be “gracious” enough to offer Clinton the vice presidency, considering how narrow the race was.

    Marcia Pappas, who heads the New York state chapter of the National Organization for Women, believes that Clinton supporters “would be outraged to know she was not given that right of first refusal.”

    “She is the only woman in history who has ever garnered this much support,” Pappas continued. “She is the only woman in history who was able to raise the kind of money one would need to run a presidential campaign.”

    Pamela Sumners, who directs the Missouri chapter of the abortion-rights group NARAL, added that Clinton “is now seen as the reigning dean of the women’s movement. It’s sort of Moses gets all the way to the mountain and doesn’t get to the promised land — and I think there would be people really
    angry about that.”

    About one in five voters who supported Clinton in the Democratic primaries tell pollsters that they are not voting for Obama, according to a mid-July Quinnipiac University national poll of likely voters — a number that’s only slightly lower than when Clinton dropped out and the conventional wisdom had it that support would coalesce around the presumptive nominee after a brief cooling-off period.

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    The split isn’t limited to women. “No matter who he picks,” said former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, “the question is going to be raised: Are you telling me that this person would be a better qualified vice president than Hillary Clinton?”

    While there had been speculation that Obama might seek to mend fences by tapping another woman for the role, this seems increasingly unlikely — and it’s not clear that even if it did happen that it would help with Clinton loyalists, especially since the most-often named women all endorsed Obama in the primaries, earning the resentment of many leaders of women’s organizations.

    “If he picked Claire McCaskill or [Janet] Napolitano [or Kathleen] Sebelius, I think it would annoy women,” Ferraro said.

    Ferraro added that “those are women who we spent our lifetime helping run for office” and that “a lot of us are not happy with these women for not supporting Hillary because they came to us for help based in large part on their gender.”

    “I would be very concerned about his judgment if he offered the position to another woman before offering it to Hillary Clinton,” Pappas said, “or any person.”

    “The women who have been elected to office in this time in history are the beneficiaries of the women’s movement,” Pappas continued. “And it’s disheartening to see those same women turn their backs on another woman who is better qualified, and one can only wonder what they are getting out of their decision to turn their back.”

    Any selection other than Clinton will reinforce some women’s sense that the most qualified candidate, a woman, has been passed over for the position.

    Clinton has in this sense become a metaphor for the women’s movement itself.

    “There are a lot of women apoplectic at the discussion of Bob Barr and Chuck Hagel,” said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women.

    “It seems like the smart choice will be to pick Hillary Clinton because she adds so much to the ticket but the second choice should be a nominee who supported Hillary Clinton, to try and bring the sides together.”

    Clinton’s most vocal sympathizers, like Sumners, warned that Obama cannot presume that Clinton’s supporters will return to the Democratic fold no matter who he selects.

    Obama’s assertion at a closed-door meeting with members of the Congressional Black Caucus that Clinton’s supporters will “get over it,” once they consider the choice between him and presumptive Republican candidate John McCain, further frustrated many women.

    “Those adamant Clinton supporters, the older, and I would say wealthier women, and some of the better known feminists from the dark ages, I think they will use his vice presidential choice, whether a woman or a man, as an excuse not to support him,” said Joan Hoff, an historian at Montana State University and a former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency.

    “There is disappointment out there,” noted Ellen Moran, executive director of women’s political group EMILY’s List. But she added that the “Obama campaign is taking important steps to reach out to and welcome and incorporate Hillary Clinton supporters.”

    Part of that outreach took place when Moran and EMILY’s List president Ellen Malcolm flew to Chicago after the Democratic primary to meet with Obama’s senior advisers.

    That outreach will culminate at the Democratic National Convention, where Clinton is scheduled to speak on Aug. 26 — which is also the 88th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote, a bit of symbolism that may chafe some of her supporters.

    “I’m sorry to say this but I do think [the Democratic divide] is sort of significant,” Hoff said. “It could have an impact. It’s not that you need a lot of them,” meaning Clinton supporters who will sit out the general or vote for McCain. “You just need enough of them in key places.”

    Hoff compared the current dynamic to the Republicans in 1976, when Ronald Reagan’s supporters never fully rallied to Gerald Ford, and the Democrats in 1980, when Edward M. Kennedy’s supporters never fully warmed to Jimmy Carter.

    “Ford lost because the neoconservatives sat on their hands and didn’t turn out to vote. The real worry is that [Clinton’s supporters] are going to sit on their hands, the older feminists,” Hoff said. “I’m telling you they’re mad.

    “It’s not that they are going to vote for McCain,” Hoff added. “It’s just that they are not going to get out there on the hustings” for Obama.

    © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC

  92. John Kerry Gives Losing Lessons Again
    ==============

    Heh. Maybe he should be Obama’s VP.

  93. bboei Says:
    August 4th, 2008 at 12:33 am
    I thought Bayh was a Hillary’s friend? Shouldn’t he decline like Rendell and Strickland?
    ———————————————-
    Yup. And I think he will. Time will tell.
    ==========================

    If all Hillary’s friends decline, she might get stuck with the job. :/

  94. confloyd Says:
    August 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
    This is what I don’t understand. Since BO has now decided to give MI and Fl full voting power does that mean that what the PUMAs are doing trying desparately to get Hillary on the roll call vote is now all a waste of time??
    =============================

    Well, he must be pretty confident. But everything the PUMAs do is at least showing support and giving her a bargaining chip that may be of some benefit.

    And if Obama is in jail or something by Aug 25, being on the ballot might turn in very handy. 🙂

  95. henry,

    Bill wanted full rights for gays in the military, no secrecy required. The militay rebelled, and ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ was the best compromise Bill could get. It was an improvement over the previous policy.

  96. McCain brings in ‘The Bullet’ as White House race turns nastyThe ailing Republican campaign has turned aggressive as it deploys an expert attack squad to wound the Democrat favourite

    The first warning sign was delivered in a phone call nine days ago, when John McCain’s new senior adviser, Steve Schmidt, held a conference call with worried senior Republican party figures.

    Schmidt told them that they would soon see McCain go on the offensive against Barack Obama. Some tough TV ads were coming, he warned. It was no lie. The first ad came barely 24 hours later. Others followed, and soon the US presidential election erupted into its most vicious fight so far. Both sides traded insults over patriotism, racism and allegations of becoming negative. It dominated the front pages and cable news shows, and there is little sign that the storm will abate quickly.

    Many pundits saw the move as a sign of desperation from a McCain campaign humbled by Obama’s triumphal world tour, behind in the polls and written off by some commentators. But the truth is very different.

    McCain’s aggressive strategy is a deliberate and well-thought-out ploy. It was developed and implemented by a coterie of advisers brought in last month who are protégés of the Republican political guru Karl Rove. Schmidt, who learnt his trade with Rove, heads the group and is now guiding the campaign.

    The strategy is intended to turn McCain’s ailing presidential bid around and give it a firm focus: one mostly fixed on attacking Obama. Schmidt and others believe they can do to Obama what the Republicans did to John Kerry in 2004.

    ‘They know how to win a presidential election. If you can show a candidate’s basic flaws, that is one way to win,’ said Steve Mitchell, a Republican political adviser and chairman of Mitchell Research. McCain’s new advisers believe they can define Obama in their own terms and leave him as damaged goods in the eyes of the electorate. If that sounds like a hard-headed, unpleasant, negative strategy, that is probably because it is. But Schmidt and his allies have also started to give Republicans the one thing that Obama had seemed to be monopolising – hope of winning.

    Steve Schmidt is known as ‘The Bullet’. Part of that is to do with his bald-headed appearance, but it is also as much to do with his hyper-aggressive political style. He was promoted to run McCain’s campaign at the beginning of last month, after he and several other aides went to McCain and warned him that his presidential bid was in dire trouble.

    McCain took the warning to heart and placed Schmidt in charge of the day-to-day running of his campaign operation. It was a bold move, but Schmidt is one of the rising stars of Republican politics. The New Jersey native cut his teeth under Rove and in the Bush White House. He ran the 2004 Republican war room that was responsible for taking down Kerry. He also worked hard on getting conservative judges through the process of appointment to the Supreme Court. Then he guided the re-election campaign of California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, to victory.

    Schmidt has been joined by other key figures from the Rove-era Bush White House. They include the formidable figure of Nicole Wallace, a Bush campaign spokeswoman in 2004, and Greg Jenkins, a former Fox TV journalist who once worked for Bush’s campaign. The group has sought to tighten an operation that was floundering under its previous leadership. They have also given it a sharply negative edge.

    However, such a strategy is not without risk. Much of McCain’s huge appeal to the middle ground relies on his popular reputation as a military hero and a decent man. Excessive negative campaigning could hurt that valuable political commodity. ‘This is a first for McCain. This is a very different strategy to see in a McCain campaign,’ said political scientist Tim Hagle, a professor at the University of Iowa.

    The tactics have certainly caused despair among some McCain allies. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a close friend of McCain and former strategist, broke his silence to label recent attack ads comparing Obama with celebrities like Britney Spears as ‘childish’. He also said another ad, which criticised Obama for not visiting wounded US soldiers, was ‘inappropriate’.

    But such grousing is unlikely to worry the new team. They are far more concerned in recovering from months of campaigning in which Obama has emerged as the clear favourite to triumph in November. McCain is behind in most polls, lacks the glamour of Obama, faces an unenthusiastic Republican base and has much less money.

    However, the team is tackling all those issues, not least with last week’s ads. The first, dubbed ‘Troops’, aired last Saturday and attacked Obama as caring more about going to the gym than meeting the military. In a move of marketing genius, it was first aired as part of a news story. When it was finally shown in a paid-for slot – on a TV channel in Denver – it immediately became a talking point. It was broadcast on TV, radio and newspaper websites. Yet, in its first 24 hours, it only aired about six times as an ad.

    The same happened with the second ad, ‘Celeb’. Although Spears and Paris Hilton appeared only for a brief second, their inclusion guaranteed massive media coverage. But this ad also revealed the Karl Rove-style thinking behind McCain’s campaign. It is a truism of Rovian political tactics – inherited by Schmidt – that you attack an opponent’s strength. For Obama, that is his charisma and ability to generate huge crowds of enthusiastic people. The ad tried to turn that into a disadvantage. It was a tactic that worked superbly against Kerry in 2004, when the Republican war room – led by Schmidt – undermined Kerry’s record as a Vietnam war hero.

    There are also signs that the McCain campaign might be tapping into feelings about the often fawning coverage of Obama. US late-night talk shows are starting to mock Obama’s campaign. David Letterman recently delivered one of his trademark ‘Top 10’ lists on the subject of signs that Obama had become overconfident. They varied from ‘Had head measured for Mount Rushmore’ to ‘Offered McCain a job in gift shop at Obama presidential library’. The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart joked that Obama’s trip to Israel was so that he could visit his birthplace in Bethlehem. Indeed, within the McCain camp itself the nickname they have given Obama is ‘The One’.

    Away from the jokes, there is also a belief that some hard realities, and even harder tactics, could burst the bubble of good press that has surrounded the Obama campaign since he beat Hillary Clinton to the Democratic nomination.

    Many Republicans believe that the controversy surrounding the Rev Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s former pastor, will return to haunt him. That would inject race into the campaign in ways that were hinted at last week. When McCain’s camp recently accused Obama of playing the race card, it was the first time the subject of his skin colour had directly come up. Many Republican strategists believe that McCain is most likely to benefit from that. ‘The more race comes into the debate, the less likely it is that Obama will win,’ said Mitchell.

    That contention is not proven. But prominently airing the Wright issue in the final month of the campaign would surely test that theory. McCain’s camp is unlikely to bring up the Wright issue, but there are many Republican surrogates who will probably do that job enthusiastically. Again, the echoes of the campaign that derailed Kerry are troubling for Democrats. ‘Come October, Wright’s name recognition is going to be 99 per cent,’ said Mitchell.

    That could be true. US elections are often dogged by predictions of an ‘October surprise’, but in 2008 the ‘surprise’ against Obama may turn out to be very predictable.

    Yet Barack Obama is no John Kerry. Obama’s campaign has run a ruthlessly efficient response team to the McCain attacks. They have set up websites that address many of the criticisms and Obama has not hesitated to fight back, often within hours or even minutes of the latest assault. In 2004 Kerry was often accused of dithering before responding. In 2008 Obama and his team do the opposite.

    But last week’s attacks did rattle the Obama camp and led to some strange pronouncements. Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, retreated from Obama’s assertion that Republicans were pointing out his race. ‘Barack Obama in no way believes that the McCain campaign is using race as an issue,’ he said.

    That contradicted Obama’s own comments, where he explicitly stated that his opponents were using his background to attack him. ‘What they’re saying is… he doesn’t look like the other Presidents on the currency,’ Obama said repeatedly on recent campaign stops in Missouri.

    That outbreak of disunity adds to nagging doubts over Obama’s performance in the polls. He has enjoyed several months of positive press coverage, whereas McCain has been ignored or ridiculed for a series of gaffes.

    But Obama’s lead is still narrow. In the RCP National Average of polls, he is ahead by just 2.6 points. The picture is similar in key battleground states like Colorado, Ohio and Virginia, where he is ahead by only a few points. McCain is actually ahead in other vital states, like Florida and Missouri.

    ‘It is surprisingly close,’ said Tim Hagle. ‘Some people, especially in the media, think that Obama is now like Hillary Clinton at the start of her campaign. That all she had to do was just turn up. Well, we know how that turned out

  97. This is posted at hillaryclintonforum.net and seems legit. Many people there seem to know the poster and trust her.
    h t t p : / / http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=22339

    lynfreedom
    Arrow **Announcement**Delegate petition to put Hillary into nomination. URGENT Action Request.
    Action to be taken: NONE

    I have just been in contact with several people who are working on this project with me. Any action on behalf of the petition should be haulted at once, unless you have been given a task by a person in charge of the ORIGINAL PROJECT.

    We have procedures we have to follow to get this package together in time. As it is, I have wasted four days doing damage control and so have others.

    From now on, PLEASE:

    * NO ONE, except for people who have been assigned a task, should be working on this.

    * NO ONE, except for other national delegates, should be contacting national delegates regarding the petition.

    * NO ONE should be accusing, threatening, asking, or contacting by phone, mail, or email any national delegate, whether that delegate is a Hillary supporter or Obama supporter.

    * If you are friends of a national delegate, or, have information for a national delegte:
    o mention petition only in casual conversation
    o do not give any details as the details have not been released for your knowledge and you would not be giving full disclosure
    o give the delegate the information to contact someone who has the petition to sign. They can request the petition at 300delegates@yahoo.com
    o then, please pm me with the delegates info so we can follow up to make sure the delegate did contact our group.
    .

    * If you see info on another site that is discussing how this is to be done and for people to contact delegates, please pm me immediately the url where you saw it.

    Your cooperation in this matter will result in the project being fully completed on time. It will also prevent national delegates being upset because they are being bothered by people they do not know, should not have to report to, and/or have no authority to ask or tell them what to do.

    This is very important to follow these rules to avoid confusion and additional work by the ones in charge as well as the national delegates. It also will guarantee that the work we need to do is completed.

    If I have additional information that is needed or can be posted, I will do so.

    If I am not online and you have questions, you can also pm Gina, as I am sending her copies of everything that goes out at this point. I spoke with her on the phone earlier and she is aware of the newest developments.

  98. turndown
    I understand what transpired with don’t ask don’t tell
    Change does not happen overnight and I as a gay man I applaud Pres Clinton for all he has done. Unfortunately, many in the community are shortsighted especially the younger. I can remember being in a hospice in the late eighties reading to individuals as they lay dying from aids. No family no friends just a stranger reading to them. I learned alot but when I go out today that period in time is treated like ancient history. Its sad I know I would not be able to be out were it not for the many who came before me. Same thing applies to all the young women with brilliant careers in front of them — they do not respect Senator Clinton and the path she has paved.

  99. all those idiots that changed their middle name to Hussein, i hope they are prepared for the problems they are going to have explaining and convincing those horrible little people that sit on immigration desks and the like not to treat them with suspicion when going in and out of the US. I have a friend, she’s white was married to a guy who’s last name was Mohammed and the trouble she got coming in and out of the US was unbelievable. She used to get questioned for ages.

    People really should think about what they do before they do something dumb like that.

  100. McCain AHEAD according to Rasmussen!

    This is a developing story and a Deadline at drudge!

    What a great way to start the day! 😀

    Jan,

    i refuse to think of HRC as a hostage, AKA victim. And if she has allowed herself to become one, then I have to admit my respect for her would be affected.

  101. Admin.: here is my best explanation of Hillarys behavior for what it is worth. Hang on to the roller coaster bar.
    ———————————————
    Hillary’s performance in the 2008 Presidential campaign has raised further questions about her especially among supporters and fans for this reason: on the campaign trail she was a War Goddess who persevered against a Machiavellian opponent, Big Media and Globalist Money. She won the popular vote, told supporters to never give up in life and promised to fight on to the Convention to secure the nomination. But then a few days later she did a complete about face, suspended her candidacy and endorsed the opponent who had labeled her a racist and tried to destroy the legacy of her husband. That was like the downfall in a Wagnerian Opera. Then she began campaigning on his behalf and asked her fundraisers to support him. But he did nothing of substance to reciprocate. He failed to reduce her campaign debt, allowed his supporters to go on booing her and permitted the uncouth Senator McCaskill to crack jokes about her to the press. He told Hillary’s supporters to get over it, had snakes like Pelosi and Michelle make mawkish statements praising her former candidacy and demanded party unity. Meanwhile Hillary displayed the classic signs of hostage behavior and said things like I will do anything they ask me to do and I am not in control here. The spectacle of this evoked deep feelings of revulsion in many supporters, and caused them to wonder whether she was the leader they thought she was. It was akin to a Greek Tragedy where greatness ends in humiliation.

    The political reality of course was entirely different. When Hillary went on her tour d force and promised to fight on to the Convention she meant every word of it. But politics is the art of the possible, and Hillary is a pragmatist. Therefore, when she learned that her opponents had bribed or coerced over 100 super delegates to not vote for her at the convention she saw the handwriting on the wall. If it had been only her then she would have pursued the matter beyond the convention even if it meant the end of her own political career. How do I know? Because she is deeply committed to the issues, and relishes a good fight. But in politics it is never that simple. If you are a true leader then you cannot ignore what a fight like that would do to the political futures of your supporters and your own ability to serve the people of your state. And because she is Hillary Clinton and Precious is so precious the media would misrepresent that fight not as a battle for democracy but as a deranged effort on her part to destroy the party and the black nomiee for the sake of revenge. So you think about this before you launch a Gotterdammerung. I am sure that Hillary did, and concluded that it was unwise to fight on to the Convention. But that decision led to the political dilemma she faces today which is how to keep faith with her supporters without undermining his candidacy. That is why she has lost the voice she found in New Hampshire.

  102. Monday, August 04, 2008 Email to a FriendAdvertisement
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%. This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

    A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

    McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.

  103. In a horse race, that is called nosing ahead. I wonder what the reactions to that today will be.

  104. wbboei,

    Excellent summary.

    But where’s the PROOF of 100 SD’s being bribed? How did she KNOW the down ticket dems would be targeted and even if they were, whose to say they would be affected? It almost sounds like she gave into threats, empty threats at that. just because someone claims they’re going to do something doesn’t mean it will happen.

    Personally, I hope she had a really good reason for suspending

  105. So Pelosi is recommending Rep Chet Edwards of TX as VP. Amazing. I think we should call her Policie, as she acts like she is dicatating everything, and had no idea what the Democratic party stands for or wants.

  106. basil9

    She did have a good reason, in fact many. He would have to start going against McCain, and upping his poll numbers. Both of these things has shown him not successful, and not Presidential. Also, she knew he would have to move to the center. It is better this should happen before the convention. Those moves have been very harmful to some of his core supporters.

  107. NMF,
    But it doesn’t do a thing to get her the nomination. 🙁

    Anyway, here’s a blurb about the new Rasmussen poll from their site.

    Monday, August 04, 2008

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.

    This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

    A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

  108. Obama is TOAST and it has everything to do with his lack of character and lack of honor. I know these are old fashion words but these words are never obsolete.

    There is an ugly mean spiritness to Obama and a lack of graciousness that linked with his over the top arrogance and conceit and you have a problem.

    People don’t trust him or the Democratic? Taliban Party.

  109. basil9

    The dems are going to look very foolish if McCain is leading at convention time. In their Year, the dems shoulld be double digit. Only fools would not make an ajustment, and have an open convention.

    If all of these so called Leaders, and SDs are fools they will be shown on national TV. If they understand how to succeed in their disticts at all, they better start growing a spine and thinking intelligently.

    There is nothing that voters and people like to do more than I TOLD YOU SO, and they do tha twith their vote.

    I OWN MY VOTE

  110. I pray that he keeps falling. I pray that he falls way down in the next couple of days so Hillary will have a chance at the convention. This country can not afford this man!

  111. We need some more ads. I saw the Obama Britney one on a Australia web page. That think has a life of its own.

  112. Pelosi knows the messiah must carry Texas to win. She must know Obama will never carry Texas! He needs Richardson, two peas in a pod!

  113. A very good article and please go to the website and continue to the end.

    The Race Card Returns
    by Harry R. Jackson, Jr.

    Last week Barack Obama did the unthinkable – he played the race card. In an unusually clumsy attempt to pre-empt the onslaught of McCain’s increasing negative campaign, Senator Obama made a huge mistake. Reacting to the Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears ad and the “Messiah” ad, which depicts Obama as an “anti-Christ figure,” he spoke out against the fear tactics he believes McCain and the GOP will use against him. His mistake was that he made himself sound weak by inferring that attacking his race would be a part of the fear campaign of the Right.

    Last Friday, Laura Ingram, guest host for Bill O’Reilly, asked me why the senator would resort to such measures. My answer was that I believe he was planning to use the race card all along. The senator had no doubt braced himself for the return of Jeremiah Wright sound bites and stinging criticism by his opponents in the last 30 to 45 days of the contest.

    In the Obama campaign’s mind, McCain would use race as one of several factors that would lead voters to conclude that Barack could not be trusted. Unfortunately for him, Obama miscalculated when to play the card. This tactic only works when your opponent is seen as a bully. In fact, the last thing Obama wants to do is to make race the defining aspect of his candidacy. Throughout his campaign he has presented himself as a post racial candidate, but the reality may be that he has used a sophisticated form of political jujitsu. Jujitsu often uses the strength and force of an opponent’s attacks against them.

    This is just what he did in his contests against Hillary Clinton. He cried, “Victim!” when he was “attacked” by Bill and Hillary Clinton. The “fairy tale” comments by Bill were taken out of context, blown out of proportion, becoming the genesis of criticism that the Clintons had stooped to the lowest point in their political history. As things progressed, it was weeks before Hillary could lay a hand on Obama in terms of substantive discussion of legitimate policy differences between the two candidates. In the case of the Clinton debacle, Obama seemed to rise above the fray, but his race may have actually given him an unfair advantage. His campaign surrogates and the media pointed the finger of accusation at the Clintons, as Senator Obama simply sidestepped their criticism.
    continue….

    http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2008/08/04/the_race_card_returns?page=full
    *****************************************************
    I think Hillary is doing what she has to do and doing it brilliantly.

    Hillary is not a victim, nor do we see her as one but if this was a game of chess or any other game of stategy and you are behind enemy lines what do you do to continue to survive until help has arised?

    Obama is not a genius and he is performing exactly like we all thought he would. I’m just surprised to find out that the Democratic Leaders is this bad, weak and lazy.

  114. In my estimations, this can only happen if he becomes humble and stops the I Am The One Crap. I really think he has only one act, and we have see it.

    I get a kick out of these women’s groups, trying to jockey about this. Oh he is coming around. he might go to them and chat, but we have turned those women’s groups off. He has a problem coming to the masses.

  115. Happy Birthday, Barack Obama!

    WASHINGTON — In celebration of Barack Obama’s special day, the Republican National Committee (RNC) is sending Washington, D.C., newsrooms and bureaus a special gift in his honor.

    Like so many Americans, members of the media also are struggling to pay upwards of $4 a gallon for gas. But last week, Barack Obama said, “There are things that you can do individually though to save energy; making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much.” (Barack Obama, Springfield, MO, 7/30/08)

    So the RNC is providing members of the media with complimentary tools related to Barack Obama’s energy plan – a brand new tire gauge. Because, instead of actually increasing America’s domestic oil supply, this is how Obama thinks Americans should try to alleviate burdensome pain at the pump.

    To obtain your very own copy of “Barack Obama’s Energy Plan” please call 202-863-8500.

    To hear Barack Obama’s answer to meeting our nation’s energy demands in his own words, please click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0

  116. carby:

    Democratic? Party=Taliban party

    If Nasty is recommending anyone, I would go the other way. She recommended Chet Edwards for VP a while back.

  117. NOW, Naral, Emily’s list really have blown it. They thought they had this block of people that they could tell to fold in.

    Women expect loyalty, especially to their own. These groups were formed to show that pressure and loyalty. They did not even poll their members as ask them what they wanted to do. They folded for promises and money.

    Women are a loyal group, and once you have violated that loyalty, women don’t come back, especially strong willed women. In fact they get even.

    So, you can have all the meeting you want to, but you are no longer the voice of Women in this country. You relinquested that power when you did not support the Best Candidate for the President of the USA in 2008 HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

    You did not ask, and you forgot who your Base was.

  118. I saw on Yahoo news, a headline that says, “Obama: Tap nation’s oil reserve to help gas prices.”

    CHICAGO – Barack Obama is proposing tapping the nation’s strategic oil reserves to help drive down gasoline prices, his campaign said Monday.

    Obama supports releasing light oil from the emergency oil stockpile now and replacing it later with heavier crude more suited to the country’s long-term needs, according to a campaign fact sheet. Light crude oil is easier to refine into gasoline than heavier oil.

    Also on Monday, the Obama campaign unveiled a television ad that criticizes Republican John McCain’s energy policies.

    “After one president in the pocket of big oil we can’t afford another,” says the ad, referring to President Bush’s previous work in the oil industry

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_el_pr/obama

    What a hypocrite. Hillary recommended going after the reserves. If anyone is in the pocket of big oil, it is BO. Who voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill? BO, not McCain.

  119. What a TERRIFIC post from Islander over on Riverdaughter!

    Islander, on August 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 pm Said:
    I’m a PUMA living on Martha’s Vineyard. I have no PUMA contacts from NYC. I have also been a Democrat for over 50 years, and never imagined I’d see the party become an enemy of democratic principles.
    We could have Hillary Clinton as our nominee. She is one of the most intelligent, talented and superbly qualified statespersons to come on the scene in ages — like a gift in our time of need, a great national resource not to be wasted, and yet the DNC is rigging this election in favor of a sophomoric pop star on John Kerry’s notion of the affirmative action principle at a time when the country is in such bad shape and the world situation is perilous.

    Don’t hit me with that bullshit “racist” jazz. I marched for Civil Rights in the very early 60’s and I still have torn cartilege in my ribs and shoulder to prove it, but we never told anybody that the fight for civil rights was a fight for phonies and freeloaders – if you want the job you should have to qualify for it – and that goes for those many juvenile American males who demonstrate their need to scorn women in order to pump up their own weaknesses.

    Our democracy is an ongoing creation involving the evolution of humanity. From time to time certain infections must be squeezed and cleansed if we are to continue to progress. Wherever you find sickness among those in power, you will find intelligent men and women of character fighting for health – you will find PUMAs. We are writing letters, blogs, making calls, we are marching, we are protesting, carrying banners, making speeches, working to inform those who are unable to find the time to learn the facts.

    Any American who will not speak out against tyranny and corruption needs to learn what it is to be a citizen in a democracy. PUMAs are the REAL democrats. We are the spirit of ’76. Who are you?

  120. NewMexicoFan Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 10:31 am
    NOW, Naral, Emily’s list really have blown it. They thought they had this block of people that they could tell to fold in.

    Women expect loyalty, especially to their own. These groups were formed to show that pressure and loyalty. They did not even poll their members as ask them what they wanted to do. They folded for promises and money.

    Women are a loyal group, and once you have violated that loyalty, women don’t come back, especially strong willed women. In fact they get even.

    So, you can have all the meeting you want to, but you are no longer the voice of Women in this country. You relinquested that power when you did not support the Best Candidate for the President of the USA in 2008 HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

    You did not ask, and you forgot who your Base was.
    ******************************************************
    NewMexico,

    What is the status of those women groups now….are they losing their power?

    Women need to stop funding these WEAK TRAITOROUS Women Groups and “hold their feet to the fire.” If these groups would not STAND and FIGHT against the SEXISM and MYSOGINY displayed for months during Hillary Clinton’s amazing campaign…then they won’t fight for the average women.

    It’s called “spring cleaning” time and the cleaning has been long overdue!

  121. meiyingsu,

    here’s a terrific blog about the ILLEGITAMACY of Waffles COLB.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/03/breaking-techdude-finds-original-text-on-birth-certificate/

  122. carbynew

    I agree, you hit them in the pocket. I no longer support them. It would be interesting to know if they have had a lot of resignations, and non renewals. Women would be fools to support a group that folds in the heat of a battle they could have won. Even if they lost, they were backing the interest of the group, and they would have remained loyal.

  123. meiyingsu,
    ROTF! Repubs are sending the media tire gauges in honor of Waffles BD (if, in fact, this IS his BD!)

    Idunn,
    Is that post a response to Chuckie’s claim there WERE no PUMAS, only a few desperate new yorkers claiming to haver started an anto-BO movement?

    Carby,
    that’s what I think; HRC is playing chess.

  124. 😳

    Forgot to add,
    NMF,

    i don’t think the dems care how they look so long as they get what they want.

    😛

    And I agree they look like jacka$$es.

  125. We are seeing Waffles playing defense at the present time. It is better to be playing offense. Last week, the defense lost.

  126. The delegate count.

    The delegate tally on RCP is Waffles: 1766 pledged delegates to HRC’s 1639.

    Subtacting the 60 or so delegates awarded him by RBC from the Uncommitted slate in Michigan,
    the totals are roughly:
    HRC – 1639
    Waffles – 1700.

    That means he’s ahead by only 60 delegates.

    The SD count is Waffles 463 to Hrc 257.

    Stop-the-Hate Donna should be resigning. The SD’s AND the RBC have decided the nomination.

  127. basil9 Says:
    August 4th, 2008 at 10:54 am
    Idunn,
    Is that post a response to Chuckie’s claim there WERE no PUMAS, only a few desperate new yorkers claiming to haver started an anto-BO movement?
    ——————–
    yes

  128. meiyingsu,

    Did you see my link to the incredibly detailed analysis of the authenticity of BO’s birth certificate at NQ.

    The link is at 10:46.

    NMF,

    You’re right about it better for Bo to be on the defense.

  129. WHOTF does that douchebag think he is????? There were hundreds of responses to his idiotic remark from PUMAS across the country.

    Hope someone forwards that post to him.

    Meiyingsu – “if in fact it IS his BD”
    What I meant is there is a lot of speculation not only about WHERE he was born but WHEN! His sister says she has TWO birthdays! (whatever that means)

  130. Had to post this from NQ. An excellent analysis on the effect of cutting off Florida and Michigan before ST.

    ‘… The big crime here is shutting FL and MI when it mattered, that is in the beginning of the primary. If they had resolved this issue then, Clinton would have had a 100+ lead going into Super Tuesday and his caucus wins would have paled in significance with the big swing state wins. She would have had enormous momentum as rightly she should have had (because she was the people’s choice) and that was robbed from her and her supporters by shutting those two states. Even at the RBC meeting in May if they had not given him free delegates and her delegates from MI, the gap would have been that much narrower but they cheated again on May 31. He also would not allow revotes in those states knowing full well that he was going to lose. His surrogates argued for half a vote in May and now he wants full votes for them when it does not harm him. It was their plan all along to cripple her by shutting those two big states from the beginning of the primary. This is bigger than his caucus shenanigans.

  131. Kostner-

    This is typical hype you get from Big Media. The Bullet. Schmidt is a good man with a fine wife and nice kids and a dog. He goes to church on Sundays. Yes, he met Karl Rove a time or two but would never follow him into the gutter like Brazille would–or Bambi for that matter. He is simply committed to ridding the country of the scouge of obama. To many of us that is as high a calling as any seminary student could aspire to, especially when you believe that Obama is satanic–as well as bloody incompetent.

    What the fuck is with that Hagel. Is he suffering from senile demensia, does he get the same tingle down his leg as Matthew does or is he a RINO– republican in name only.

  132. Idunn, you goin’ fishin’?
    I’m jussa lil ole grape on the vine.

    And I’m just the keeper of the golden apples.

    Fair enough.

  133. To finish the stats, adding SD’s to the REPORTED delegate numbers :

    BO – 2229
    HRC – 1896.

    The difference is 233 votes. SUbtracting the 60 delegates fraudulently awarded Bo by RBC, the difference is 169 votes.

    IF she could get 223 delegates to switch AND rollback the RBC awarding of delegates to BO . . .
    :sigh:

  134. If I were Bambi I would be thinking a few steps ahead. The card game is called who will get the best vp. I have to open. If I pick a woman then people will kill me if it is not Hillary. I dont want Hillary because she looks more presidential than I do. But if I do not pick a woman and get someone I think may bring in the Hillary dems (in your dreams bambi) McCain may well appoint a woman and then I will be on the wrong side of the gender issue. . . . . .

    Now you know why someone like me who loves Hillary and wants what is best for her is starting to get worried. Go for Kaine Bambi and let his wife keep telling you that you are a metasexual–whatever that means.

  135. Rookie Confusion on Energy

    Obama Ad Says John McCain Is In the Pocket Of Big Oil. Obama Ad: “After one president in the pocket of big oil we can’t afford another.” (Tom Raum, “Obama Ad Calls For Return Of Windfall Profits Tax,” The Associated Press, 8/4/08)

    but Barack Obama Forgets That He’s The Candidate Who Voted For Billions In Tax Breaks And Subsidies For Oil Companies. Hillary and Mccain voted against that bill.

    http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=5f2e0bde-90ea-4659-8e0f-4e6fee0897d3

  136. The difference is 233 votes. SUbtracting the 60 delegates fraudulently awarded Bo by RBC, the difference is 169 votes.

    IF she could get 223 delegates to switch AND rollback the RBC awarding of delegates to BO . . .
    :sigh:
    ——————————————–
    Basil–isnt it half that number plus one to shift?

  137. meiyingsu Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
    Rookie Confusion on Energy

    He is also calling for tapping into the oil reserves.

    here is a line from a posting above:

    Also on Monday, the Obama campaign unveiled a television ad that criticizes Republican John McCain’s energy policies.

    “After one president in the pocket of big oil we can’t afford another,” says the ad, referring to President Bush’s previous work in the oil industry

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_el_pr/obama

    He should be called, “The Hypocritical One.”

    He voted for the energy bill, not McCain. He just left another opening for McCain to come after him. It would make a great ad.

  138. Idunn….Keeper of the golden apples … hmnn, well, you are a big time tease! Sent me to racking my brain for clues in mythology, Eudora Welty and Ray Bradbury.
    Idunno who is idunn. Now that’s not fair! You caught a fish and I didn’t.
    ————-
    “IF she could get 223 delegates to switch AND rollback the RBC awarding of delegates to BO . . .
    :sigh:”

    Can Hillrisers, PUMA, JSND turn that prayer into reality? Suspense is getting tense.

  139. Hello everyone. I used to post many months ago before Hillary suspended her campaign. After the RFK assassination dust up I just completely gave up. All the unfairness, the media bias, the clueless democratic leaders endorsing BO one after the other. I’m usually a pretty tough cookie but it all got to be too much. Watching HRC has helped a lot. She’s been so classy and graceful. But even with her endorsement I’m still not at a place where I can vote for Obama. Probably won’t ever be there. Not saying I’ll go for McCain but sit this election out. BO would have to do a complete 180 and start making this election about us regular people instead of about himself and his so called movement.

  140. basil9 Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
    Had to post this from NQ. An excellent analysis on the effect of cutting off Florida and Michigan before ST.

    ‘… The big crime here is shutting FL and MI when it mattered,
    ———————————————-

    Correct: that is when the crime took place and their votes would have mattered. It is a wrong without a remedy in the party. The remedy must come in the general election when those voters remember how their own party shafted them big time when as you say it acually mattered. The republicans need to find a way to drive that poin home through surrogates.

  141. Wbboei,
    I’m not sure about the half plus one and everyone, recheck my math. It’s not my forte.
    Anyone have the EXACT number of MI delegates RBC awarded him?
    Lilolegrape,
    Maybe that’s why the petition to get 300-6oo signatures? i dunno.

    Just for laughs. Another Buchanon classic. People used to ask about Waffles, Who is this guy? Now they ask, Who does he think he is? 👿

  142. No I think you are right and I am wrong basil. She still has to get to that threshold. But whatever you do not know about math compared to me you are an expert.

  143. So I’m thinking that Bo wrote that letter to have the delegates seated as part of his Machiavellian manipulative plotting.

    Maybe he thinks that by doing this, Hillary’s supporters will go easy on him when he announces that Hillary is not his V.P. choice. Maybe he thinks that this will make up for shutting the Clintons out of the party.

  144. $#$%$%!!!!!!!

    My VERY bad! (told you math wasn’t my forte)

    2229 minus 1896 = 333.

    333 – 60 (fraudulently awarded michigan votes) = 273.

    I got into this coz of the disgusting news Bo now wants to seat Florida and Michigan. 😈

  145. Jan-maybe so, but it could be positioning for the general election. I think every Hillary supporter knows how he manipulated the rbc and will not be assuaged by this little maneuver.

  146. wbboei,

    “Correct: that is when the crime took place and their votes would have mattered.”

    The crime actually happened on August 27, 2007, during the RBC committee meeting presided over by Commasar brazille and Ralph Dawson when Fl was stripped of all delegates.

    But HRC agreed to this plan along with BO.

  147. I don’t care…vp is not an important position…it is important if the president let it be but seeing how Obama ha already picked the vp chief of staff….no way in hell is Obama going to pick a vp that will outshine him.

    So it will be another kiss ass weak vp that nobody wants and will make Obama happy and that’s his right.

    I’m going to vote from McCain if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee!

  148. They always said, that the FL and MI delegations would be fully seated at the convention. They did not do this before, because it would have been to Hillary’s advantage. Since the convention will not be open, it is just window dressing. The DNC must think, people are fools, if we cannot see through this deception and fraud.

  149. wbboei,

    ROTF!

    ‘Chuck Todd is like chuckie cheese–a rat with a stylish gotee.’

    Jan,
    Of course he’s manipulating. It is transparent! Hope it backfires just like the Excellent European Adventure. 😈

  150. I know basil I know ickes did. She made so many compromises with the Obama campaign on issues like this that should have been fought hard for at the time that I can only believe that she did not want to rock the party boat and believed the superdelegates would do what was best for the country and never shove someone like Obama down our thoats. I mean if someone came to you before hand and said I have got a great candidate for you but there are some things you need to know about him like he has no experience toxic associations and an ego that could fill Yankee stadium you would probably say something like other than that Mrs Lincoln how did you like the play?

  151. The message of the polls

    I don’t put a lot of stock here on the small variations in national polls, just because it’s so hard to tell whether they’re ever more than statistical noise.

    But the fact that both Gallup and Rasmussen showing the race tightening after a week of McCain’s harshest attacks of the cycle means one thing: We’re likely to see more of the same.

    Meanwhile, there are some new jitters in Democratic circles, with John Aravosis reflecting a concern I’ve heard elsewhere: That Obama effectively shut down the outside groups that would have been a key part of the “noise machine,” and is now basically alone facing McCain.

    (Obama’s camp tends not to get too shaken by these strategic jitters, which are similar to the ones that were widespread among his supporters last fall, and which he basically, successfully ignored.)

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
    *****************************************************
    Obama is running his campaign the way he will run his presidency. So if the WEAK, LAZY DEMOCRATIC? LEADERSHIP think Obama is going to get better once he is IN the White House…..think again.

    Nobama in November

  152. Breaking News

    Morgan Freeman has been seriously injured in an accident in Mississippi. I always thought he was an outstanding actor, and I hope he comes out of this OK. l

  153. McCain Takes Lead in Daily Tracking Poll — WOW. We need to tell this to every SD:

    ———

    Monday, August 04, 2008

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.

    This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

    A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

    McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.

  154. BAsil9 says:
    Lilolegrape,
    Maybe that’s why the petition to get 300-6oo signatures? i dunno.
    — —-
    Yes. Have to get her name placed in nomination for delegate votes to count — BHO condescending gesture to MI n FL yesterday is meaningless — another bamboozle.

  155. Why is Obama getting campaign contributions from people at a refugee camp in Gaza? Isn’t that completely illegal? And the people gave nearly $25,000 to his campaign! Isn’t this a potentially huge story? This information was found in his official FCC campaign records. Someone here who knows more about this please weigh in on what it all means…..

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-gazan-co.html

  156. If McCain can build a lead going into the Convention, and the Democratics do the undemocratic act of not only backing a person who lost the popular vote, who has lost the poll lead, and who has not met any goals out there one might expect a Dem to have in their year, THEY ARE TOAST.

    If McCain comes out even after the Dems and before the REps convention, it is another 4 years of Reps.

    I OWN MY VOTE.

  157. SDs, I think you should be dusting off your resume. You might be looking for a job in the next six months.

    Please don’t put any PUMAS down as references.

  158. Oh, Birdgal, me, too! Morgan Freeman is a marvelous actor with a beautiful soul that shines through everything he does!

  159. There was an article in my local paper stating that an experienced president doesn’t necessarily translate to an effective president. It said that there are many presidents that were experienced but bombed. I guess they are trying to shine some positive light on Obama, saying having experience doesn’t account for much.

    They say that it is good judgment that is very important. Obama seems to lack good judgment. Maybe the McCain campaign will put more emphasis on Obama’s lack of good judgment than on his foreign experience. The experience argument didn’t work for Hillary!

  160. independent 2008

    I agree that experience does not always work, but certainly one knows that HRC had more, but just slightly. I personnely think hers was more indepth because she actually spent 4 years in the Senate, and she actually voted. She also travel internationaly extensively, and did meet with a lot of the heads of state still out there.

    However, his experience record against McCain is much different. McCain not only has indepth experience in the Senate, he brokered many across the party legislation. He has basic military experience, and he has talked to a lot of these international leaders many times, not just once, whiile the I AM THE ONE crowd was waiting.

    So McCain’s Federal, international experience weight is heavier.

    However, the Good Judgement argument will come out. The SS (Steve S) has a number of ads that he can bring out. This is only the beginning.

    I can hear the whinning now.

  161. I just watched Bambi give his speech on energy. Straight out of Hillary’s plan, word for word, for the exception he said “I cant let that happen, then he changed it to we democrats can’t let that happen. So I guess all this talk about his ego is having an effect on his speeches.
    He loves to act like he is already President, boy is he going to have a rude awakening soon. I know one thing, I will enjoy watching him get cut down a peg or two!

  162. If the miracle happens at the convention, just think how that shakes things up.

    McCain has to run against someone who is very similar, and therefore it will be harder to attack.

    Their attack campaign will have to do a 180.

    There is nothing like shaking up the enemy at the last minute. However, are the Dems smart enought to do this. I don’t think the leadership is, but the SDs might be, as they have a lot more to lose.

  163. The campaign is not listening to the locals here either. That is what doomed the Kerry campaign.

  164. How to Pick a V.P.
    When you try to talk with McCain staffers about vice-presidential prospects, as I did last week, the normally garrulous become guarded and the usually talkative turn taciturn. Still, here’s what I was able to discern.

    John McCain apparently intends to announce his pick after the Democratic convention. There’s been thought given to announcing McCain’s selection the day after Barack Obama’s Thursday night Aug. 28 acceptance speech, to try to minimize Obama’s postconvention bounce.

    But the current inclination is to wait until after Labor Day weekend, which ends with President Bush’s speech Monday, the first night of the G.O.P. convention. Then the McCain camp would hope to seize attention Tuesday with the V.P. announcement. A strong pick, followed by the V.P. nominee’s remarks Wednesday and then McCain’s speech Thursday, could provide a good launch into the last 60 days of the campaign.

    So, who would be a strong pick? Some V.P. candidates fit one theory of the campaign, others another. And there seem to be at least four competing theories in the McCain camp, which, while not entirely mutually exclusive, point in different vice-presidential directions.

    1. We’re going to defeat Obama straight up.

    If McCain is ahead of or close to Obama in the polls, there will be a strong temptation to do no harm with the V.P. choice. The leading noncontroversial selections — broadly acceptable to Republicans, conservative but not too conservative, young but not too young — are Tim Pawlenty, the second-term governor of Minnesota, and Rob Portman, former Ohio congressman, Bush trade representative and budget director.

    2. We need to accentuate Obama’s key vulnerability — inexperience.

    If McCain’s central theme is going to be that he’s ready and Obama isn’t, he needs a running mate who reinforces that message — someone experienced who’d be seen as ready to govern. This points to former rival Mitt Romney, whom McCain has come to respect, or former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge, whom McCain likes. It’s true that Ridge is pro-choice, which might be a problem. Or could the pick of Ridge signal to independents that McCain is broadening the party, while pro-lifers could be reassured that Ridge would defer to President McCain in this area?

    3. Don’t fight the public desire for change; co-opt it.

    The public wants change but is nervous about Obama. Why not allow people to vote for experience and the next generation of leadership at the same time?

    This implies a young and different V.P.: the 37-year-old governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal; 44-year-old Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska; or Eric Cantor, the 45-year-old Virginia congressman. Party pros would have fainting spells about the unseasoned Jindal and Palin in particular — but party pros are often wrong, and if Jindal or Palin performed well as candidates, the upside would be considerable.

    The two young governors also have this advantage: They’re very popular with conservatives, especially social conservatives. And they’re real reformers. They’ve begun to do in Baton Rouge and Juneau what many voters would like to see done in Washington. Principled conservatism and vigorous reform could be a winning combination.

    4. The public is really sick of politics as usual in Washington.

    In his convention speech, McCain could say something like this:

    “I will give you a reform administration that will put politics aside to work for all Americans. I pledge to turn the page on 16 years of often petty and mean-spirited partisanship so we can tackle the big challenges we face. So I pledge that neither I nor my vice president will seek re-election. Neither I nor my vice president will spend a day, an hour, a minute campaigning or raising money — not for ourselves nor for anyone else. There will be no political office in my White House — there will be no place for a Dick Morris, or (with all due respect) a Karl Rove.”

    This opens up several unconventional V.P. possibilities. They include some who would reinforce the notion of a war presidency above politics, like Senator Joe Lieberman and Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Or perhaps someone with economic or domestic policy expertise — like New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, old McCain friend and FedEx C.E.O. Fred Smith or new McCain insider and former EBay C.E.O. Meg Whitman.

    Most of the campaign staff strongly prefers a selection from the first two categories — do no harm or reinforce experience. McCain himself, on the other hand, is intrigued by the bolder possibilities of youth or bipartisanship.

    And he could be especially intrigued by Sarah Palin and Meg Whitman. I run into plenty of moderate and conservative women who don’t consider themselves feminists but would be pleased to see a qualified woman on the ticket.

    Especially if Obama picks a man, rejecting hope and change in favor of the same old patriarchy — won’t McCain be tempted to say: cherchez la femme?

    ———————————————————
    I hope McCain trust his own instinct and to pick Sarah Palin.

  165. The fact that Obama is only tied or slightly ahead of McCain now should worry the Dems. Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry were all ahead of the republican during the summer months but still lost the election. Up until last week Sen McCain wasn’t running a good campaign plus BO had more money and more good press than him. But he’s still right there. Now the McCain camp has the Rove people in charge & are going on offense- they’re defining Obama for the electorate. The amazing thing is that BO is letting them. He honestly thinks the whole my opponent is being cynical ploy that worked with liberals and democrats in the primary against Hillary will work with general election voters and the republican attack machine.

  166. NewMexicoFan Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    The campaign is not listening to the locals here either. That is what doomed the Kerry campaign.
    ******************************************************
    Obama people are loyal to Obama and most aren’t even democrats and they THINK they know everything. But Obama is running his campaign and performing just like we predicted.

    They’re in a bubble and their cynical race baiting attack strategy is a losing tactic just like we’d said it would be.

    Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, John Kerry and the rest of those losers must go.

  167. Here is some contact info for anyone who might want to write and request that polling info for HRC be included also. 🙂

    Pollsters Rasmussen Reports, LLC
    Phone: 732-776-9777
    Email: info@rasmussenreports.com

    Quinnipiac University
    CONTACT THE POLLING INSTITUTE
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    pollinginstitute@quinnipiac.edu

    Gallup
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    Phone: +1-877-242-5587
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    email: sarah_van_allen@gallup.com

  168. NewMexicoFan,
    Thank you! Good to be back. It is really incredible reading about Obama’s short list for the VP spot- dullsville all around. Tim Kaine? He’s almost as inexperienced as Obama and not that popular in Virginia. Sebelius? She gave that horrible SOTU response & Kansas isn’t even close to being a swing state. And what better way to further alienate HRC supporters who are only tepidly supporting him than by picking a woman that’s not her. I respect Evan Bayh but he isn’t the attack dog type. Joe Biden is ok but he’s gaffe prone. What’s more telling is how many people have taken themselves out of the running like Webb, Rendell, Jack Reid.

  169. Fans Realize Obama Is Not Divine

    McCain Camp Relieved Democratic Hopeful Not on Par with Joan of Arc
    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)(WDCpix)By Bruce McCall 08/04/2008
    Disturbing new evidence indicates that Americans by the millions are failing to deify Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, reflecting mounting fears among rabid early supporters that their charismatic Boy Messiah may not even be divine.

    “It wasn’t supposed to turn out this way,” wept an Obama apostle. “Even in his native Chicago, you can’t find anybody building shrines or Baby Obama creches.”

    Meanwhile, at the junior Illinois senator’s recent campaign stops, stampeding throngs of Obama fanatics have not been observed attempting to touch the hem of his garment. In Cleveland, church ceremonies to commemorate the anniversary of the child Obama’s descent to America from Hawaii appear not to be scheduled – hard on the heels of the disclosure that biblical scholars’ painstaking searches of both the Old and New Testaments reveal not a single reference linking Obama with any aspect of the Second Coming.

    Campaign insiders close to Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, while careful not to be seen as sacrilegious, nonetheless expressed obvious relief. “The guy may be no mere mortal,” granted one top McCain aide, “but all this shows he’s still not on a par with Our Lady of Fatima or Joan of Arc. In other words, his victory ain’t preordained.”

    Obama’s cause is not being helped by his campaign managers’ refusal to disclose exactly when their candidate intends to perform his next miracle. For example, no confirmation or denial has been forthcoming of a rumored Obama-led “Walk On Water” fund-raising marathon from the Chicago lakeshore to Benton Harbor, across the lake in Michigan.

    “I’d say we’ve been had,” groused a longtime Obama acolyte. “It’s becoming ominously clear that Barack Obama never had any intention of using the White House as a stepping stone.”

    Bruce McCall, a humorist, is a regular contributor to The New Yorker and Vanity Fair. He is the author of “All Meat Looks Like South America: The World of Bruce McCall” and “Zany Afternoons

    http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/fans-realize-obama

  170. nikki22

    I think you are right, there was a subminal signal sent there with those people pulling out.

  171. Nader moving ahead on ballot access

    Ralph Nader’s presidential campaign plans to turn in petitions this week to get on the November ballots of seven states, including Connecticut and New Hampshire, as part of its biggest ballot access week.

    That would bring Nader’s ballot presence to 30 states, including Massachusetts, his campaign told supporters today. It plans to reach 45 states by Sept. 20.

    That could make Nader a factor in the fall in some key states. In a CNN poll released last week, Nader registered at 6 percent nationally, well behind Democrat Barack Obama at 46 percent and Republican John McCain at 42 percent.

    Nader’s campaign, in an appeal for donations, told supporters that if gets on the ballot in 45 states and can build his poll standing, he could press to be included in presidential debates. Now, there are three scheduled, with only Obama and McCain invited.

    “As we move toward November, and as Obama reveals himself to be the corporate candidate that he is, a significant portion of the American electorate will demand an alternative,” the Nader camp said. “That’s why it is so important to put Nader/Gonzalez on the ballot in as many states as possible. And that is the important ground work we are completing now. Come September, we will be in a position to demand open debates. And present the American people with a viable candidacy that will shift the power from the corporations back into the hands of the American people.”

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/nader_moving_ah.html

  172. McCain Camp Response to Obama’s Ad “Pocket”

    ARLINGTON, VA – Today, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds issued the following statement on Barack Obama’s latest ad – “Pocket”:

    “Barack Obama’s latest negative attack ad shows his celebrity is matched only by his hypocrisy, after all it was Senator Obama, not John McCain, who voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill that was a sweetheart deal for oil companies. Also not mentioned is the $400,000 from big oil contributors that Barack Obama has already pocketed in this election.”

    thepage.time.com/mccain-camp-response-to-obamas-ad-pocket/

  173. I know that this is only my opinion, but I never did before the primaries nor do I now find Obama is very attractive, cool, and/or a good talker. I felt this way before I really knew who he was or learned anything about him. He grins like the cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland, he speaks in “preacher” mode all the time and is narcissitic.

    They have the nerve to call Bill Clinton narcisstic! Bill was the real deal, Obama is a fake. Besides, Bill has nothing to worry about bringing himself back up and I personally don’t think that he harmed Hillary’s campaign. Hope Hillary doesn’t blame him for anything. Frankly, I think that the campaign was more Hillary’s fault. She should have been more tougher on Obama and not worry about offending the black people since they had already left the Clintons after the Iowa caucus. She should have disputed the racist charges against Bill and not apologize for anything just like the McCain camp is doing. It seemed to have taken the Clintons a long time to realize that. Good that McCain doesn’t have to worry about racist charges and can fight back because the Republicans never had to depend on the black votes anyway.

  174. Bill Clinton had a conversation with regular people. Obama preaches to the masses, that he is THE ONE. Hillary incorporated a lot of Bill’s Techniques as she went along.

    YOU MIGHT BE THE ONE,

    BUT I OWN MY VOTE

    AND I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE ONE

  175. Romney calls Obama ‘stupidly dishonest’ video

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/04/romney-calls-obama-dishonest/

    CNN edited out the word STUPIDLY but kept dishonest….ROTFL!!!

  176. Very disturbing and suspicious campaign donations(with pictures)

    h t t p : / / atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-gazan-co.html

    Obama’s Gazan Contributions
    Atlas reader Cathy has been indispensable in helping to track Obama’s very questionable campaign donations. She found a one mother of a red flag. There is a large contributor in the ‘G’s’. Largest. Name is Monir Edwan. City is Rafah and the State is GA. You’d think GA is for Georgia. IT’S NOT! There is no Rafah Georgia.It’s Rafah GAZA. Although election donor data indicate Georgia, USA here: Donation Details: Adwan, Monir | Rafah, Georgia. There ain’t no such place in the land of Georgia peaches.

    It’s a Gaza refugee camp

  177. independent2008,
    You are sooooo right! I’m black and I said for months that after Obama won Iowa he was going to get the majority of the black vote. It was a mistake in my opinion for HRC to even seriously contend in the SC primary. BO was going to win that state by double digits regardless. Bill Clinton was an effective surrogate for HRC. He never attacked Obama on any racial level or even on a personal level. He just called him out on a lot of his bull. IMO the reason Obama and his team played the race card was so he could sideline the big dawg. I couldn’t believe it when Hill and her team didn’t go nuclear on team BO when they tried to pull that crap. She and her black surrogates should have been all over Obama like McCain was. You can’t let anybody call you a racist and get away with it. Of course the Clinton haters in the media would have sided with BO. So what. At least you have the satisfaction of fighting back against that kind of crap. I’m glad the race card is backfiring on them with McCain though. It was sweet when Lindsay Graham bitchslapped Tom Daschle on Fox News Sunday

  178. Hope Hillary doesn’t blame him for anything. Frankly, I think that the campaign was more Hillary’s fault. She should have been more tougher on Obama and not worry about offending the black people since they had already left the Clintons after the Iowa caucus. She should have disputed the racist charges against Bill and not apologize for anything just like the McCain camp is doing.
    ****************************************************
    I agree but I don’t think Hillary was getting good advice and Mark Penn, Patty Solis Doyle and others were useless.

    Once she apologized, the Obama people had legitimize but I also know Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Jim Clyburn, Donna Brazile and MSM had her in a box and her own party swiftboated her.

    Remeber the SILENCE and the party leadership throwing wood on the fire telling them if they lose the black votes it will be their faults.

    Bill also said that Obama was the “establishment” candidate.

  179. meiyingsu Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    McCain Camp Response to Obama’s Ad “Pocket”

    ARLINGTON, VA – Today, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds issued the following statement on Barack Obama’s latest ad – “Pocket”:

    “Barack Obama’s latest negative attack ad shows his celebrity is matched only by his hypocrisy, after all it was Senator Obama, not John McCain, who voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill that was a sweetheart deal for oil companies. Also not mentioned is the $400,000 from big oil contributors that Barack Obama has already pocketed in this election.”

    thepage.time.com/mccain-camp-response-to-obamas-ad-pocket/

    The McCain team is on top of it. The entire BO campaign is based upon hypocrisy.

    Carby: Yes, BO is the establishment candidate, which means his change meme is blowing smoke up everyone’s arse.

  180. h t t p : / / http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71431

    Palestinians donate $29,500 to Obama Gazan brothers’ illegal contributions

    JERUSALEM – Palestinian brothers inside the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip are listed in government election filings as having donated $29,521.54 to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.

    The donations would violate election laws, including prohibitions on receiving donations from foreigners and guidelines against accepting more than $2,300 from one individual during a single election, Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the Federal Election Commission, told WND in response to a query.

    The contributions also raise numerous questions about the Obama campaign’s lax online donation form, which apparently allows for the possibility of foreign contributions.

    Last week, the Atlas Shrugs blog outlined a series of donations in 2007 made to Obama’s campaign from two individuals, Monir Edwan and Hosam Edwan, totaling $29,521.54.

    In an online form on Obama’s campaign site, the Edwans listed their street as “Tal Esaltan,” which they wrote was located in “Rafah, GA.”

    Rafah is not a city in Georgia. The Atlas blog immediately raised concerns that the money may have been donated from the Gaza Strip town of Rafah.

    The Edwans’ donations are listed in both FEC filings and other election filing sites, such as CampaignMoney and donordata.org.

    Monir made 20 donations ranging from $717 to $2017.50 from October through November 2007. His donations totaled $24321.41. Hosam made seven donations ranging from $508.63 to $1725.96, totaling $5,200.13, all in October 2007.

    WND investigation tracked down the Edwans, who are brothers living in the Tal Esaltan neighborhood of Rafah, a large refugee camp in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

    The Edwans are a large clan that include top Hamas supporters.

    Speaking to WND, the two brothers praised Obama and admitted giving the money online to his campaign. They said they are not U.S. citizens or green card holders but are citizens of “Palestine.”

    The Edwans denied they are affiliated with Hamas. Palestinian sources in Gaza confirmed the Edwans in question are secular, but could not say whether they supported Hamas.

    Monir and Hasam Edwan denied their financial transactions online – listed as donations in U.S. government election filings – were actual donations to Obama’s campaign. Instead they claimed they purchased about $30,000 in Obama T-shirts from the presidential candidate’s online store – a contention that did not hold up during a WND interview, when they changed their story several times.

    “My brother Hosam and I knew that Obama will be a big hit even before he became a candidate. We knew the guy would be a celebrity in Gaza so we decided to invest the amount of $29,000 to buy Obama T-shirts from his website and sell them in Gaza,” Monir Edwan told WND, speaking by cell phone from Gaza.

    “I know on the back of this story Obama rivals will present our business as a donation and they will try to use this story to let Obama fall, but I’m telling you, we bought T-shirts,” Edwan maintained.

    Edwan said any profit made from purportedly selling the Obama T-shirts was not returned to the Obama campaign.

    “We have nothing to do with the Obama campaign. We just like Obama and believe he will be the best for the Palestinians and for the world.”

    At first Monir Edwan claimed he sold the T-shirts in Gaza for around $9 and that a profit was made.

    “Some young men even bought the T-shirts for 60 shekel ($17.29), which is a lot to spend in Gaza on a T-shirt, but that is how much Gazans like Obama,” Edwan claimed.

    But it was pointed out to Edwan the T-shirts for sale on Obama’s website are listed as $20.08 and that selling the merchandise for less would not yield a profit.

    “Maybe we sold the shirts for a lot more. I can’t remember now,” said Edwan.

    Asked why he would purchase T-shirts at such a high rate and pay the cost of shipping when he could pay a company to produce T-shirts for less, Edwan replied, “We wanted the shirts to come from the campaign.”

    But Edwan could not explain how he managed to get shipments of T-shirts into the Gaza Strip during the months he claimed to have purchased the merchandise, since Israel imposed a tight closure of the Gaza Strip starting in June 2007 that lasted until June 2008, when the Israeli government agreed to a cease-fire with Hamas in Gaza.

    “We don’t want to cause any damage to Obama’s campaign,” was Edwan’s reply.

    Edwan said he wants Obama to be president.

    “Not just the people in Gaza but people from all over the world are rooting for this great man,” he told WND.

    FEC spokesman Biersack told WND contributions from overseas are allowed if the donations are coming from U.S. citizens or green card carriers. But he said accepting money from foreigners would violate election provisions.

    He said there are strict guidelines against accepting more than $2,300 from one individual during a single election.

    “I am not familiar with the particulars of the case, so I am commenting in general. The FEC will have to examine all the circumstances before determining any wrongdoing,” Biersack clarified.

    Obama’s campaign did not return WND phone calls or e-mail queries.

    That the Edwans were able to contribute any money to Obama’s campaign from Gaza opens questions into the methods used by the presidential candidate’s website to accept online donations.

    The website donation form asks each donor to affirm he or she is a U.S. citizen and is above the age of 16 but doesn’t require donors to prove their citizenship status, such as providing a social security number. The form further requires the donor to affirm the contribution is not coming from a corporation, political action committee or lobby group

  181. NewMexicoFan Says:
    I agree that experience does not always work, but certainly one knows that HRC had more, but just slightly.

    Huh? Are you saying Hillary had “just slightly” more experience than Obama?

    She has 35 years in politcs, starting with being hired on the Nixon impeachment! When the Clintons were governorn of ARkansas (12 years) she did big projects like reorganizng the school system. 8 years in the White House, co-president, brains of the only successful Dem administration since FDR. More details and cites at http://1950democrat.livejournal.com

    It’s obvious from her performance in debates, town halls, interviews, etc that she has much more experience and knowledge than Obama.

  182. basil9 Says:
    ugust 4th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    wbboei,
    “Correct: that is when the crime took place and their votes would have mattered.”
    The crime actually happened on August 27, 2007, during the RBC committee meeting presided over by Commasar brazille and Ralph Dawson when Fl was stripped of all delegates.

    But HRC agreed to this plan along with BO.

    ===============================

    Which plan? All HRC and BO agreed to was not to campaign in FL/MI after the DNC did their stripping They were not part of the RBC and Hillary was certainly not consulted at any RBC meetings

  183. Obama Makes a Flip on Dipping Into Oil Reserves

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/04/obama-ad-windfall-tax/

  184. wbboei, basil,

    I think the facts on the numbers are at hillarysupporters.com

    Also Heidi Li and Marc Rubin would have them.

  185. The McCain campaign seizes the moment; from an e-mail:

    John McCain says we need offshore oil drilling and we need it now. Senator Barack Obama has consistently opposed offshore drilling – calling it a “gimmick.” Senator Obama’s solution to high gas prices is telling Americans to make sure their tires are inflated.

    Today, I’m asking for your help in putting Senator Obama’s “tire gauge” energy policy to the test. With an immediate donation of $25 or more, we will send you an “Obama Energy Plan” tire pressure gauge. Will simply inflating your tires reduce the financial burden of high gas prices on your wallet?

    It’s clear Senator Obama has no plan to address the energy challenges we face as a nation. He has said no to offshore drilling, no to expanding domestic drilling and no to nuclear energy. He has no plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

  186. wbboei,

    OUCH. Good analysis.

    We need to keep quoting that ABC/WP poll that said Hillary as VP would be a wash for Obama, losing as many as it would gain.

    h t t p : / / abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5487005&page=3
    ‘Dream Ticket’ Meets Reality: Obama Looks Beyond Clinton
    If Clinton were on the ticket with Obama, 23 percent said that would make them more likely to vote for the Democratic ticket, but an
    essentially identical 22 percent said it would make them more likely to vote for the Republican ticket, according to the July Washington Post/ ABC News Poll.


    wbboei Says:
    August 4th, 2008 at 11:42 am
    If I were Bambi I would be thinking a few steps ahead. The card game is called who will get the best vp. I have to open. If I pick a woman then people will kill me if it is not Hillary. I dont want Hillary because she looks more presidential than I do. But if I do not pick a woman and get someone I think may bring in the Hillary dems (in your dreams bambi) McCain may well appoint a woman and then I will be on the wrong side of the gender issue. . . . . .
    Now you know why someone like me who loves Hillary and wants what is best for her is starting to get worried.

    Dare we hope she would wriggle out of her rash promise? Or that Bill and Chelsea would pull a Desilu?

  187. Bil Browning is reporting that, based on unusual public schedules, it appears Obama has an announcement to make on Wednesday morning in Indiana, with Evan Bayh. This would come right before the Olympics start on Friday, dominating the news for the next two weeks. Browning pieced together this conclusion from several pieces of information, one of which is the http://www.ObamaBayh08.com site redirecting to the Democratic Party’s own site, which we also mentioned a week or so ago.

    If Bayh is the VP, that seems to us that Obama’s giving up on Viriginia and other “expand the map” strategies, since Evan Bayh will do little to help Obama in Virginia or Colorado. Instead, it looks like Obama will try to pull together enough electoral votes using Kerry and Gore’s maps — but how that’s possible still baffles us. Bayh won’t carry Indiana for the Democrats, and won’t win Ohio either.

    Bayh is a fantastic human being, and a great Senator and former Governor. He worked hard for Hillary Clinton and we have the utmost respect for him. However, he doesn’t automatically pull Clinton supporters back to the Democratic party, and he doesn’t automatically bring any states with him, so we don’t really undestand how he contributes to the ticket.

    But, to be fair, there really are no good choices left for Obama’s veep: all the best ones said no, leaving only the likes of Richardson, McCaskill, Sebelius, etc., that nobody wants.

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/looks-like-obama-will-name-evan-bayh-his-vp-on-wednesday-morning/

  188. Does anyone have a url where we can post about this on the same media that Chuck used?

    Doing a PUMA roll call on riverdaughter’s confluence is okay, but a national site would be better.

    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
    basil9 Says:
    August 4th, 2008 at 10:54 am
    Idunn,
    Is that post a response to Chuckie’s claim there WERE no PUMAS, only a few desperate new yorkers claiming to haver started an anto-BO movement?

  189. If Obama picks Evan Bayh, that’s definitely a “safe” pick: boring, predictable, cautious. Evan Bayh is the ultimate “company man” of the Democratic party and he’s always on VP short lists. Meh.

    It’s amazing how lame this election has become ever since Hillary suspended her campaign.

  190. I respect Bayah…he’s a good choice (one of the FEW good choices I’ve seen Obama make).

    Still…NO DEAL.

  191. Bayh has experience, and is a good choice. He was on Hillary’s short list for VP.

    I’m with Idunn: NO DEAL.

  192. nikki22 Says:

    August 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    independent2008,
    You are sooooo right! I’m black and I said for months that after Obama won Iowa he was going to get the majority of the black vote. It was a mistake in my opinion for HRC to even seriously contend in the SC primary. BO was going to win that state by double digits regardless. Bill Clinton was an effective surrogate for HRC. He never attacked Obama on any racial level or even on a personal level. He just called him out on a lot of his bull. IMO the reason Obama and his team played the race card was so he could sideline the big dawg. I couldn’t believe it when Hill and her team didn’t go nuclear on team BO when they tried to pull that crap. She and her black surrogates should have been all over Obama like McCain was. You can’t let anybody call you a racist and get away with it. Of course the Clinton haters in the media would have sided with BO. So what. At least you have the satisfaction of fighting back against that kind of crap. I’m glad the race card is backfiring on them with McCain though. It was sweet when Lindsay Graham bitchslapped Tom Daschle on Fox News Sunday
    —————————————————————————————————-

    Nikki,

    You expressed yourself much better than I did. I am a black female, too. I was very surprised that the Clintons and their camp didn’t go nuclear on Obama’s camp when he made those statements about Bill. How ridiculous. I was equally surprised how the blacks quickly believed that after being so loyal to the Clintons in the past. I would have loved to see the Clintons and the few friends that they have remaining come on air and dispute those charges like the McCain camp did. Bill is right when he said that they played the race card on him. He was calling Obama out and when Bill did get mad it was only in defense of his wife. The Obama camp was just trying to shut Bill up, but even more disturbing Hillary’s own party was doing the same! If Bill and Hillary said what they really wanted to say, it would have been hillarious! I know those two CAN really rip you apart! They handled Obama with kid gloves. If her surrogates did say something negative about Obama, they would follow up with such ridiculous statements such as “of course we don’t think Obama share Rev. Wright’s views, he’s an honorable man, and Obama himself didn’t make those remarks! Bull!!! Obama condone those remarks and still haven’t apologize for the treatment of the Clinton’s and only disputed Ludricris lyrics, not Luducris himself.

    Yeah, I liked the way that Graham came after Daschle too. It was great to see. I wished that Hillary’s surrogates and friends would have appeared on air and defended her with such vigor and passion. They was so weak with her defense. I was very disappointed with that.

    Is there a video of Graham and Daschle available? Also, Nikki have you seen the video on youtube called “Clinton Backstabbers”? The video is so true and a reminder for us all come November. Check it out!

  193. I think that the interesting thing about the Gaza story is that if an average person could find those illegal thousands of dollars on the publicly available FEC papers why couldn’t the Obama campaign. Did they just look the other way? And if they are just incredibly bad at monitoring their donation flow how many more thousands, if not millions, of dollars have they received illegally?

    This could be the tip of the iceberg consider the lax contribution system set up by the Obama camp….

  194. turn-down,

    I meant that HRC agreed no states should jump the gun with regards to the primary calendar and also agreed not to campaign in Fl and Mi. Isn’t that true? And by doing that she (inadvertently) deprived herself of those delegates which, it turns out, she needed. I don’t know if that’s because her staff was convinced she wouldn’t need those states because they thought she’d be way ahead after ST? i dunno enough about the process to comment on that.

    Everyone, on a humorous note, Hannity is now referring to Pooplosi as Nancy “save-the-planet” Pelosi.” ROTF.

  195. Re Hillary’s behavior now and in June. I agree that suspending in June was a good move. Obama has had a test drive of the nomination without HIllary to protect him and is tanking. Just because it was a good move, the best available, does not mean it’s going to win victory.

    In June Pelosi was aguing a time factor. She wanted the SD’s to declare immediately, because SHE didn’t have the luxury of going through the real process, the DNC needed to make a deposit to Denver by mid June?, and she thought if HIllary dropped out the DNC would immediatelly get more donatins, fm Hil’s and from BO. Hillary dropping out proved that wasn’t true. Also John Lewis won handily against his Obama challengers.

    Imo all that pretty well justifies the June drop out: possuming.

    I’m not sure what would justify the current hostage behavior, now that the time factor card has been played and resolved. My only speculation is that she doesn’t want a ‘narrow’ victory, fighting over 3 each delegate. Now if there were a MASSIVE swing of Supers…. But it feels unlikely.

    I can’t imagine what Pelosi could have on ALL the 800 supers. Most of them aren’t even in publically elective office, they are DNC staff or county chairmen etc etc. However the BO faction do seem to have some sort of lock — unless Hillary has privately sold out to them for something even more unimaginable?

  196. BTW,

    About the delegate numbers, someone on NQ responded to my comment and made this comment. But since my total was off by 100 (333 instead of 233) his number should be 167 instead of 117. (told you i was math-challenged)

    Comment by College Educated for Hillary | 2008-08-04 10:48:10

    It would only have to be a switch of 117. You divide the difference by 2 and round to the nearest whole number if it is an odd number or add 1 if it is an even number.

    Obama 2229 – 117 = 2112

    Clinton 1896 + 117 = 2113

  197. turn-down,

    It was MTP.

    So, I hear that Chuck Todd has been on Meet the Press this morning talking smack about us and saying that we were “manufactured in Manhattan”, as if the Clinton people put this together. LOL!

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/hey-chuck-todd-we-are-everywhere-be-afraid-be-very-afraid/

  198. I personal opinion is that selecting Bayh was a payoff for the ballot box stealing that was allowed to happen in Indiana. I wondered how this could happen with Bayh being so close to Hillary. I bet you this Bayh selection is a payback/kickback.
    This election has me wondering if there is any honest people left in Washington with the exception of Hillary!

  199. basil9 Says:
    turn-down,
    I meant that HRC agreed no states should jump the gun with regards to the primary calendar and also agreed not to campaign in Fl and Mi. Isn’t that true?
    ===========================

    No offense, but I wonder if you have accidentally picked up an Obama meme which conflated two different things here.

    Certainly Hillary spoke out early for seating the whole FL delegation — Jan 25*, four days before the primary was held. So even if she had at some point said she supported the DNC calendar, she certanly never agreed to the harsh punisment of stripping delegates.

    Some bot talkng points boiled down to “Well, in listing herself as a candidate she agreed to all the DNC Rulz.”

    *for a cite, email me, 1950democrat/at/gmail/com

  200. basil,

    Thanks, I’ll go try to comment at MTP.

    When people accuse PUMAs of being fictitious, GOP, etc, tell them that by an Opinion Research poll, NINE MILLION Hil supporters refuse to vote for Obama. The 2.5 million online activists who call ourselves PUMAs are just a subset of that iceberg.

    3 million is considered a healthy victory margin (Bush vs Kerry). Even if the 9 million just stayed home, that would make a landslide for McCain. (Cites at turndownobama.com)

  201. Take this, StickMan:

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/only_22_say_mccain_ad_racist_but_over_half_53_see_obama_dollar_bill_comment_that_way

    Only 22% Say McCain Ad Racist, But Over Half (53%) See Obama Dollar-bill Comment That Way
    Sunday, August 03, 2008

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the nation’s voters say they’ve seen news coverage of the McCain campaign commercial that includes images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and suggests that Barack Obama is a celebrity just like them. Of those, just 22% say the ad was racist while 63% say it was not.

    However, Obama’s comment that his Republican opponent will try to scare people because Obama does not look like all the other presidents on dollar bills was seen as racist by 53%. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.

    Both campaigns expressed a desire to move beyond the recent flap. On Saturday Obama backed off the racism charge and accused McCain’s campaign of cynicism instead. He also rejected McCain’s charge that the Democrat himself had brought race into the campaign with his dollar bill comment.

    Two months after Obama clinched the Democratic Presidential Nomination, the race for the White House remains amazingly close in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

    Not surprisingly, the McCain ad generates significantly different perceptions along racial and ethnic lines. Most African-American voters—58%–saw the McCain ad as racist. Just 18% of white voters and 14% of all other voters shared that view. To watch the ad, click HERE.

    As for Obama’s comment, 53% of white voters saw it as racist, as did 44% of African-Americans and 61% of all other voters.

    There were also significant partisan divides. Democrats were evenly divided as to whether the McCain commercial was racist, and they were also evenly divided on the Obama comment. Republicans, by an 87% to 4% margin, rejected the notion that the McCain campaign ad was racist. But, by a 67% to 26% margin, GOP voters believe that Obama’s comment was racist.

    Unaffiliated voters, by a five-to-one margin, said the McCain ad was not racist. By a much narrower 50% to 38% margin, unaffiliateds viewed Obama’s comment as racist.

    Overall, just 22% of voters believe that most Americans are racist. That view is shared by 32% of Democrats, 20% of unaffiliated voters and 12% of Republicans. African-American voters are evenly divided on the question.

  202. Another number for those who doubt PUMA:

    Some very recent poll (Ras?) found there are now noticeably FEWER registered Democrats. GOP numbers staying the same.

    It would be good to get detials as to how this matches with the start of PUMA and some PUMAs tearing up their DNC cards etc.

  203. Hmmmm, The Case of the Disappearing Democrats?

    Another thing from Rasmussen:

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends

    During July, the number of Americans who consider themselves to be Democrats fell two percentage points to 39.2%. That’s the first time since January that the number of Democrats has fallen below 41% (see history from January 2004 to present).

    While the number of Democrats declined, there was virtually no change in the number of Republicans. In July, 31.6% said they were Republicans, the fourth straight month that number has been below 31.4% and 31.6%.

    The Democrats now have a 7.6 percentage point advantage over the Republicans, down from a 9.5 percentage point advantage in June and 10.1 percentage points in May.

    Rasmussen Reports tracks this information based upon telephone interviews with approximately 15,000 adults per month and has been doing so since November 2002.

    Among men, 34% are Democrats, 33% Republican. Forty-four percent (44%) of women are Democrats, and just 30% claim the GOP as their party.

    Forty-one percent (41%) of government employees are Democrats while 31% are Republicans. Among entrepreneurs, 36% are Republican, 34% Democrat. Those who work for someone else in the private sector lean Democratic by a 38% to 31% margin.

    In January and February, while Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were in the early stages of the battle for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, the number of Americans who considered themselves to be Democrats surged to record highs.

    In 2004, the Democrats began the year with a 2.3 percentage point edge over the GOP. That grew to 4.0 points by March before moving in the Republican direction for the rest of the year. By Election Day in 2004, the edge for Democrats was a mere 1.6 percentage points.

    In 2006, the Democrats began the year with just a 1.6 percentage point advantage. That grew to 6.1 percentage points by November.

    These results are based upon tracking surveys of 15,000 adults per month. The margin of sampling error for the sample is less than one percentage point, with a 95% level of confidence. Please keep in mind that figures reported in this article are for all adults, not Likely Voters.

  204. # turndownobama-com Says:
    August 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Another number for those who doubt PUMA:

    Some very recent poll (Ras?) found there are now noticeably FEWER registered Democrats. GOP numbers staying the same.

    It would be good to get detials as to how this matches with the start of PUMA and some PUMAs tearing up their DNC cards etc.
    &&&&

    No doubt about it. Despite my 20+ years as a Democrat, I don’t like where the DNC are leading us, nor the means they use to a) pick the nominee b) enforce party unity, etc. So a good swift kick in the pants lesson would be for them to lose in November, clear out the dead wood (the corrupt leadership), and start anew.

    I’d like to be able to call myself a “Democrat” again in public.

  205. [QUOTE=diane;265713]For anyone interested, the link below is where to comment/email “Meet the Press”
    [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/[/url][/QUOTE]

    Thanks! I just posted:
    More info for Mr. Todd on PUMA.

    According to CNN/OpinionResearch polls in early June and July, 9 million Hil supporters refuse to vote for Obama. That’s up from 7 million in June, when 4 million planned to stay home and 3 million to vote for McCain. Cites at turndownobama.

    Does he want to say all of those are fictitious, or GOP?

    Also, another recent poll (Rasmussen?) found numbers of registered Dems decreased, though GOP numbers stayed the same. This might reflect the Hillary supporters who tore up their DNC cards in June and July.

    Perhaps impressive: Obama does a vote registration drive, and Dem numbers decrase…. So however many he registered, more left.

  206. Okay, here’s the thread for comments at MSNBC to tell Todd how many PUMAs are real and how widespread. AT the bottom is a link to sign in or register.

    h t t p : / / boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=691858&boardsparam=PostID%3D20878206

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