From Seneca To Denver, From FDR To Hillary Clinton

One of the now discarded Obama talking points was the idea of politics without conflict. Obama promised, and his incense burning acolytes on the internet believed, that Democrats merely needed to “reach across the aisle’ to Republicans and all political conflict would end in harmony.

We were always offended by Obama’s “reach across the aisle” arguments because it placed the blame for conflict on Democrats, or at the very least, equally on Democrats and Republicans.

We were also offended by that argument because it represented surrender or at the very least appeasement. Congressman Barney Frank had a more lucid world view.

Frank said Obama’s repeated talk of bringing the two parties together shows a naivete about how fierce Republican opposition can be. [snip]

“If you try to be too conciliatory with that faction, you’re going to be in big trouble.” [snip]

“I don’t understand how we don’t re-fight the battles of the ‘90s,” Frank said. “We re-fight them or we give up to a very entrenched [Republican faction].”

Barney Frank understands that sometimes whether you like it or not you have to stand your ground. Sometimes, you have to fight no matter what the outcome is. Sometimes you just have to fight for principles.

And the fight does not end just because you want it to end. Many times even after a victory you still have to fight the same fight over and over again. For instance, who would have thought that within the Democratic Party, after the 2000 stolen election, that Democratic Party leaders would disenfranchise Florida voters?

The fight continues. We Democrats fought the fight in Seneca Falls. We fought for FDR in 1932. We fight for Hillary in 2008.

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Clinton Supporters Count Too continues the fight in Seneca Falls.

The organizers of the pro-Hillary events in Seneca Falls ask that those attending RSVP. Please make sure you RSVP to us, so we can get a clear head count of how many people will be attending the breakfast and mixer on July 19 and you can do so at www.seneca160.us Also, those willing and able to voluteer to help out (meet at 7:15 at Abigail’s Restaurant) please contact the organizers and let them know you will help.

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From Seneca to Crawford.

Howard Dean will meet Democrats who don’t like the Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi/FISA party. Dean is taking a bus tour and Hillary supporters will denounce the disenfranchiser:

Dean’s Bus Tour schedule: area. Texas is first:Go to this web site for more information.

Kickoff Event in Crawford, TX
Crawford Community Center
999 East 4th Street
Crawford, Texas
Thursday, July 17, 2008
8:45AM — 9:45AM

Rally in Austin, TX
Brush Square
401 Trinity Street
Austin, Texas
Thursday, July 17, 2008
12:00PM — 1:30PM

New Orleans Campaign for Change Kickoff
Louisiana Victory 2008 Headquarters
3604 Canal Street
New Orleans, Louisiana
Friday, July 18, 2008
11:25AM — 12:40PM

Hattiesburg, MS Voter Registration Drive Kickoff
TBA
Friday July 18, 2008
2:40PM — 4:00PM

Registration Event in Jackson, MS
Tougaloo College, Woodworth Chapel
500 West County Line Road
Jackson, Mississippi
Friday, July 18, 2008
6:10PM — 7:30PM

Shreveport Campaign for Change Canvass Kickoff
Galilee Baptist Church Parking Lot
1500 Pierre Avenue
Shreveport, Louisiana
Saturday, July 19, 2008
8:30AM — 9:45AM

Baton Rouge Campaign for Change Canvass Kickoff
New Hope Baptist Church Parking Lot
5856 Greenwell Springs Road
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Saturday, July 19, 2008
2:00PM — 3:15PM

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From FDR to Hillary Clinton:

Would Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi have kept his name off the ballot?

Franklin Roosevelt went into the 1932 Democratic Convention 90 delegates short of the 2/3 majority needed to win the nomination. He finally won on the 4th ballot in a contentious convention. The Democratic Party survived.

Senator Obama and Senator Clinton both go to the convention without the necessary majority needed to secure the nomination. Yet there is talk that Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and some elements of the DNC want to subvert the democratic process by keeping Senator Clinton’s name from being placed in nomination.

Senator Clinton is still a candidate. She is the popular vote winner who won more votes than any Democratic primary candidate in history. Democratic processes demand that Senator Clinton’s name be officially placed in nomination. There must be an open convention with an honest roll call vote so super delegates who will decide this nomination can vote according to their judgment and conscience for either candidate as Democratic party rules provide.

The struggle for justice does not end. Civil Rights legend Rosa Parks once said My feets is tired, but my soul is rested.

The struggle continues from Seneca to Denver, from FDR to Hillary Clinton.

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190 thoughts on “From Seneca To Denver, From FDR To Hillary Clinton

  1. well now I know why My post wouldn’t post.

    We were going to the new article…

    back after I read it.

    basil9- have been trying since 4:15 CDT to answer you.
    Just so you know.

  2. Newsmax (if in fact that’s where this story came from) took it upon themselves to insert the word “eager” in describing WJC’s attitude.

    He said he was “ready”. Hello to all…

    NEW YORK — Former President Clinton said Thursday he is eager to campaign for Barack Obama whenever the Democrat needs him, but has not given any thought to whether he wants to speak at the party convention in Denver……

  3. Yes, they would have tried to stop FDR, one of the greatest Democratic Presidents we have ever had.

    So much for the intelligence of Democratic leadership in FDRs day and today.

  4. Just imagine if we went to a straight popular vote at the party level, maybe we could do away with this expensive Democratic Structure, and God Forbid, do away with the Convention. Imagine, having one primary day, and letting the choice of the people dictate. What a novel thought in a Democracy. Obviously, we don’t have one.

  5. lets see .. Flipper heads overseas next week. He’ll most likely crash and burn and by then it’s time for the “break” in Washingon .. Hill and Bill can go on a good vacation.

  6. Where are 2 Democrats who will promise to place Hillary in nomination? Where are some Dem bigwigs who will say that preventing Hillary from nomination is unacceptable?

    How about a blizzard of e-mails to Ted Kennedy asking if he will endorse winning at the expense of fairness and decency?

    What a hollow victory for all the champions of civil rights and voting rights!

  7. IV. WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA?

    Unity? “East is east and west is west and ne’r the twain shall meet.” (Kipling)

    If you are a true believer in Barack Obama then you probably think we could solve our problems, unite the country and save the world—if we just had a virtuous leader. You are convinced in your heart that Obama is virtuous and can therefore achieve those monumental tasks. You believe this based on faith as opposed to empirical evidence. You feel that he represents a political movement that will provide a civic space* where people like you can exercise free expression, persuasion and judgment which are the hallmarks of political life. In him you see echoes of Lincoln, Kennedy and Dr. King. You reject any and all criticism of him as ignorant or malicious. And when he does something that is not in keeping with your image of him you are inclined to attack the messenger rather than reexamine the man in the cold light of day. (*See Hannah Arendt: On Revolution.)

    If you are skeptical of Barack Obama then you will tend to question whether he has the experience, judgment and moral courage to be an effective president much less to unite the country and save the world. When you examine his curriculum vitae you find limited job related experience, and troubling personal associations. When you study his conduct on the campaign trail you discover a willingness to play the race card, to condescend to women, to surrender the interests of the American People to Big Business, to ignore the needs of traditional democrats, to change policy positions arbitrarily and to favor tactics reminiscent of the totalitarian model*. And when Big Media tells you he is a virtuous man in an evil world and asks the old Groucho Marks question: “Who are you going to believe—me or your lying eyes?” you say the latter.

    (much more to come)

  8. The latest irrational whining from Bambi about how hard his life is:

    ——————-
    July 17, 2008, 8:04 am
    Obama Blames the Right for Attacks on Wife
    NYTimes.com

    By Katharine Q. Seelye

    Senator Barack Obama blamed the right-wing media for attacks on his wife, Michelle, that have driven up her negative ratings.

    In an interview with Glamour magazine , Mr. Obama pointed to “the conservative press — Fox News and the National Review and columnists of every ilk” — and said they “went fairly deliberately at her in a pretty systematic way” and that they “treated her as the candidate in a way that you just rarely see the Democrats try to do against Republicans.”

    He suggested that spouses be off limits, calling them “civilians” and saying, “They didn’t sign up for this.”

    [snip]

  9. I just got my Obama cover New Yorker and read the article and then just saw the Obama footage above. Wow!

    Besides the flip-flop-flubbery of the message and the outright lying of “I’ve always said” and “I never said that” which is true of every subject, there are several other problems.

    1. Obama believes it’s not what you know, it’s who you know — which is good for him because he doesn’t seem to know much.

    2. He has trouble thinking and communicating — two qualities which are useful in a president. Listen to how man “uh”s in any sentence, especially when hes lying.

    3. Like Bush, how is it possible for these two to go to such prestigious academies of learning and still be so unfamiliar with the English language? For example, the word isn’t “obstinant”. I suspect that neither of these men read anything but Who’s Who which is dangerous as Bush has proved. If you don’t know history……

    4. In our best anti-intellectual tradition, it seems as if we are about to elect a Sanjaya for president.

  10. Can we replay the primaries. As I remember, Bill Clinton was not off limits. Amazing that he came to that conclusion after the primaries. If they go along with this, the media should be ashamed of themselves.

  11. OK folks, who here thinks Bambi is going to embarrass the USA and make a complete jackass out of himself during the course of his overseas trip? Anybody want to guess in which country will his biggest faux pas occur? He seems to have a head start in Germany, but I’m guessing the big one will happen somewhere in the Middle East.

  12. wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/07/clinton-supporters-receiving-death.html

    They are asking Hillary people to report their death threats from Obama supporters. Not sure if anyone here is getting them, but wanted to provide the information.

  13. Emjay,
    thanks. Still don’t get it. ;oops:
    All,
    Here’s a portion of Chris Bowers interview with Coward Dean today. Dean says HRC will be on the ballot and will speak.
    The link to the entire article is below.
    “When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.’

    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7006

  14. He did not say her name would be placed in Nomination. It sounds they are being forced to put her name on the ballot, and she will speak and ask them to vote for Obama.

  15. basil,
    The link to the entire article is below.
    “When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.’
    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7006

    If anyone is registered to post there, pls let people know to check Marc Rubin’s or Heidi Li’s blogs for the details on this.

    Dean probably means she will be placed on the ballot and voted for ‘symbolically’, ie it won’t really count and she would not be nominated if she won. That is what Brazile says ‘would not do harm’ unless it ’embarrasses Obama’.

    What Dean says sounds like the same sort of double talk they gave about FL/MI. “Of course they will be seated, of course they will get to vote.” A way to dismiss and discredit the people who are addressing the real problem.

  16. Obama said the attacks are ironic because his wife is “the most quintessentially American woman I know.”

    What, pray tell, is a “quintessentially American woman” ??!! Is she black? White? Asian? Skinny? Fat? Baptist? Catholic? Jewish? Heterosexual? Homosexual? Blonde? Brunette? Must she cook? Clean house? Attend lunches with the ladies? Play bridge? Perhaps she must ride horses. Or drive a tractor.

    I mean, SERIOUSLY…what the fuck is this idiot trying to say??!!

  17. Idunn Says:
    If I said my husband was a “quintessentially American man”….what would that mean to YOU?
    ******************
    He likes baseball, hot dogs, apple pie (even though you don’t), and Chevrolet?

  18. freckles Says:
    July 17th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    Where are 2 Democrats who will promise to place Hillary in nomination? Where are some Dem bigwigs who will say that preventing Hillary from nomination is unacceptable?
    How about a blizzard of e-mails to Ted Kennedy asking if he will endorse winning at the expense of fairness and decency?

    TEd Kennedy is no good for this. However Heidi Li and Will Bower and Marc Rubin are doing good work on it; see their blogs for who to email. pumapacusa, thedenvergroup, heidilipotpourri

  19. On a side note:

    Listening to Hannity and he’s playing a segment from the View (barf) and Whoopi is pummeling hasselbeck about using the word n***er and saying it’s fine for black people to use it because they took their pain and threw it into the word and so they’re entitled to say it but white people aren’t.
    🙄
    And rumors are MO isn’t going overseas coz she’d have to wear a headscarf in iraq.

    Can you BELIEVE Waffles is in GLAMOR Magazine?

  20. Idunn, this is for you:

    sugarnspice.typepad.com/

    Michelle Obama A Quintessential American Woman?
    I don’t think so. MSNBC reports that Backtrack Obama says criticisms of his wife “infuriate” him. To that I say, “Who gives a shit about whether or not he is infuriated?” What is he going to do? Hem and haw us to death? Fuck him and his scoop mouth wife. I get so sick of these people I don’t know what to do with myself. She’s the one on the campaign trail bumping her scoop gums about how angry she is with the country and such.

    During the interview, Backtrack said this, which is laughable at best and a flat out lie at worse:

    Obama said the attacks are ironic because his wife is “the most quintessentially American woman I know.”

    What is that supposed to mean? All American women are whiny fools who don’t know a good thing when they’ve got it? He and Michelle can go to hell. –SUGAR

  21. MO: not off to a very good start, as a potential first lady, if she does not want to wear a headscarf. Not a smart move. It is a sign of respect for a different culture. All First Ladies have adapted their dress to that of that of a host country.

  22. Here’s a FASCINATING article about the 200 HRC delegates who switched to Waffles even though she won their states.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/17/action-contact-these-superdelegates/#comments

    Check it out!

    CA 30
    NV 4
    AZ 6
    NM 5
    SD 4
    OK 9
    TX 15
    MI 18
    IN 5
    OH 15
    KY 4
    TN 9
    WV 7

    NY 3
    PA 7
    VA 1
    FL 15
    NH 4
    RI 3
    MA 16
    NJ 7
    PR 3
    190

  23. He likes baseball, hot dogs, apple pie (even though you don’t), and Chevrolet?

    Guess hubby is a Nazi too, then.

  24. If you want to puke (and who does, really?), check this pic of
    Patty Solis Doyle in front of a wall of fawning BO bullshit.

    nydailynewsDOTcom/latino/2008/07/17/2008-07-17_exclinton_aide_a_bridge_to_hispanics_for.html

    Everything I’ve seen and heard from PSD screams (if not Benedict Arnold) career advancement at all costs.

    Sickening.

  25. On Gretawire (over the “n” word), blogger said blackout in Big Media over July 2 BHO statement in Colorado Springs over the need for a more or less “police state” need in the country – as much as a strong military? CAN THIS BE FOR REAL? Tried to find Chicago Tribune article but unseccessful. Anyone know anything about BIG BROTHER-in-the-making?

  26. Curioslity,
    blackout in Big Media over July 2 BHO statement in Colorado Springs over the need for a more or less “police state” need in the country – as much as a strong military? CAN THIS BE FOR REAL? Tried to find Chicago Tribune article but unseccessful. Anyone know anything about BIG BROTHER-in-the-making?

    Can anyone find a link to the original statement, then? If no other media have picked it up, maybe we need to be pushing the original.

  27. Obama’s pomposity / vanity rears its ugly head once again —

    —-
    Obama’s Greatest Admirer

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, July 18, 2008; A17

    Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast — a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins — would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials.

    What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn. President Ronald Reagan earned the right to speak there because his relentless pressure had brought the Soviet empire to its knees and he was demanding its final “tear down this wall” liquidation. When President John F. Kennedy visited the Brandenburg Gate on the day of his “Ich bin ein Berliner” speech, he was representing a country that was prepared to go to the brink of nuclear war to defend West Berlin.

    Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop? What was his role in the fight against communism, the liberation of Eastern Europe, the creation of what George Bush the elder — who presided over the fall of the Berlin Wall but modestly declined to go there for a victory lap — called “a Europe whole and free”?

    Does Obama not see the incongruity? It’s as if a German pol took a campaign trip to America and demanded the Statue of Liberty as a venue for a campaign speech. (The Germans have now gently nudged Obama into looking at other venues.)

    Americans are beginning to notice Obama’s elevated opinion of himself. There’s nothing new about narcissism in politics. Every senator looks in the mirror and sees a president. Nonetheless, has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?

    Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted “present” nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

    It is a subject upon which he can dilate effortlessly. In his victory speech upon winning the nomination, Obama declared it a great turning point in history — “generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment” — when, among other wonders, “the rise of the oceans began to slow.” As Hudson Institute economist Irwin Stelzer noted in his London Daily Telegraph column, “Moses made the waters recede, but he had help.” Obama apparently works alone.

    Obama may think he’s King Canute, but the good king ordered the tides to halt precisely to refute sycophantic aides who suggested that he had such power. Obama has no such modesty.

    After all, in the words of his own slogan, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” which, translating the royal “we,” means: ” I am the one we’ve been waiting for.” Amazingly, he had a quasi-presidential seal with its own Latin inscription affixed to his lectern, until general ridicule — it was pointed out that he was not yet president — induced him to take it down.

    He lectures us that instead of worrying about immigrants learning English, “you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish” — a language Obama does not speak. He further admonishes us on how “embarrassing” it is that Europeans are multilingual but “we go over to Europe, and all we can say is ‘merci beaucoup.’ ” Obama speaks no French.

    His fluent English does, however, feature many such admonitions, instructions and improvements. His wife assures us that President Obama will be a stern taskmaster: “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism . . . that you come out of your isolation. . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.”

    For the first few months of the campaign, the question about Obama was: Who is he? The question now is: Who does he think he is?

    We are getting to know. Redeemer of our uninvolved, uninformed lives. Lord of the seas. And more. As he said on victory night, his rise marks the moment when “our planet began to heal.” As I recall — I’m no expert on this — Jesus practiced his healing just on the sick. Obama operates on a larger canvas.

  28. Curioslity,

    This article has several cites, seems well researched.

    h t t p : / / http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/another_inconvenient_truth_dow_1.html
    Another inconvenient truth down the Obama Memory Hole
    Thomas Lifson
    The staggering implications of another embarrassing Obama statement would remain unexplored, with the public record obscured, were it not for a video clip of one of his speeches posted to the web and alert internet journalists. As first developed by World Net Daily’s Joseph Farah, the story is about what the candidate said in Colorado Springs on July 2nd:

    “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    The article has more.
    h t t p : / / http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/another_inconvenient_truth_dow_1.html

  29. Krauthammer is often arrogantly wrong but he is a good writer and this is one of his best.

    It’s not who he is but who he thinks he is…..well put.

    and “Obama operates on a larger canvas” is fabulous.

  30. Obama seems to be following the L.Farrakan script.A Civilian Malitia??????. Sounds familiar.Remember the SS Troops that Hitler organized to control dissentian in the civilian population?What a monster is being created before our eyes. Adolph controlled every minute ,every day of the German population and look where it took the World. I was there to see the chaos as we liberated sick and starving dissenters.I saw the cages that Farmers and Factories kept their allocations of political prisoners to fill the void of German workers that were serving in the Armed Forces.These poor souls were overseen by the Civilian SS that was everywhere,watching everyone. OBama is out of control and needs a mental evaluation along with a thorough vetting.How can this be happening AGAIN in my lifetime.Wake up America and stop this dangerous individual from destroying all the good has occured and enjoyed in this world since The Greatest Generation,gave it’s all to spread peace and prosperity to so many people in this world.Charles Krauthammer has it right and needs to be heeded. This Psychopath is a real and present danger and your votes now become the only weapons with which we can fight back. the poor misguided followers are being spurred on by the likes of Farrakan,Sharpton,Jackson jr.,Rangal,and a young and foolish cult followers.Obama has fired up a ground swell of crime and destruction in our cities and all for the hunger of POWER.His current trip overseas,is only a move for more time and less discussion of the questions America should have for this candidate before Denver.Time is short,Danger is upon us even now as he awaits his Coronation. Speaking of Denver and Obama’s plan to gather the masses in the sports Stadium for his victory speech,Old ADOLPH had the world famous Sportsplast for his stage and mesmerization of the German Population. AMERICANS,wake up,get off your dead asses and do some real thinking about what is about to happen to our country and the world.Forget all about gas prices ,food prices,foreclosures,Iraq,Iran and the illegal immigrants,these problems will be with us even after the election.The greatest problem is now and time is short.STOP OBAMA NOW.

    ‘Hillary is real and ready to lead us out of this widerness of darkness.

    By ABM90

  31. Thanks everyone for info regarding busses to denver. very busy and barely have time to catch up on all of your enlightening posts. although you all serve as a daily panacea for my complete disdain for the undemocratic party. much love. off to work

  32. Anyone watch Charlie Rose last evening — trying to explain the cover cartoon. Kind of amusing — I think the NYer blew out more innuendo than they can ever explain away.

  33. Admin, great post as usual. And thanks for the Seneca promo! We are doing these nationwide through 18MillionVoices and we encourage everyone to go to h+t+t+p+:+/+/ only and then July19action.blogspot.com and look for the event nearest you! TWENTY ONE events so far scheduled and still being added!

    Happy Birthday Seneca!

  34. Lil Ole Grape

    Not sure what happened in the interview. Did the NYer make a case for what they did or not?

  35. Great article! Long, but good!

    thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/UndertheBus.html

    here’s an excerpt

    To the contrary, the evidence indicates these primaries and caucuses held between January and June were deliberately rigged. (See P. Cronin’s analysis of the numbers.) One might go so far as to suggest that the high-ranking officials involved should all be charged with treason. And that’s not a rhetorical point. For the first time in American history, Democrats are about to crown someone who’s not only unfit to serve, but whose apparent ties to foreign agents (i.e. those Iraq war profiteers we’ve been hearing about) make him a candidate for the no-fly list, not the presidency. For more on this, see Obama’s October Surprise.

    There’s also the matter of the superdelegates. This elite cast of politicos can’t vote until the convention, yet the DNC went ahead and declared Obama the winner based on their input. Even on the official website democrats.org the Chosen One was being heralded as “the Democratic nominee” within hours of the last contest. In criminal justice parlance, this is what’s called perpetrating a fraud. Bolstering the notion of foul play, after announcing June 3rd that she was forging ahead, Clinton suddenly reversed course the next day and bowed out. Why? The much publicized rendezvous of the two candidates after the fact did nothing to throw the posse off the trail. It simply added more accomplices to the crime.

  36. Rosemary disses a lot of the PUMA JSND efforts at the end….

    Having been on a few CC’s with her, I think she is annoyed that we are not rioting.

  37. I frankly don’t understand how this is allowed to happen either. We are seeing a group of people leading a party that is just shoving something down our throats, and they act like they are entitled to do that. But then, in FDRs days, there must have been someone with guts and courage to stop the Democratic Party. Was that FDR, or did he have others helping him?

  38. # NewMexicoFan Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am
    Lil Ole Grape
    Not sure what happened in the interview. Did the NYer make a case for what they did or not?
    —————-
    Wellllll, they did their best to insist that only the very unsophisticated and untilligent would see this as anything but a very sophisticated intelligent joke (which Braaak didn’t get!) 🙂

  39. lil ole grape

    It is amazing how the retalitory cartoon was just ignored by everyone. I thought it was immature. When you cry wolf all the time, people stop listening. Thanks for the explaination

  40. What is truly amazing is why Hillary is going along with this! I don’t get it, there is something out there we are all missing. I wish we could figure it out. I searched for the answer with his donors, but the interest is so scrubbed that you can only find the names of people with connections to the middle east and not what they are really about. I am sure Soros has alot to do with it. Its really all about money the lefties are going to make oodles of money on the green revolution,just as the Bushes have made oodles of money with oil. Its now ironic the price of oil has gone down mysteriously after some of our banks folded. I guess the powers decided they were putting too much pressure on our economy to get the messiah elected that our country almost went down before hand. WE ARE SITTING DUCKS AND WE SHOULD BE RIOTING!

  41. Check out good Fineo video at h t t p:// ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/who-are-you-call-for-submissions/

  42. Confloyd….Soros’ business is tanking economies, making a bundle doing it and then making a bundle when he “restructures” nations and their economies based on his twisted ideals of how we should all be living. Constitution and self-determination be damned.

    If you have noticed, many in the “media” are now all screaming about the instability of the banking industry….with the follow-up after the gasp! that the FDIC will cover everything. Yet the seed is planted, and with economic times getting harder, this just plants a seed in the already fearful heads of the populace that maybe their cash would be safer under the mattress, potentially causing more and more withdrawls…then the torrent happens…the friend talks to the friend, then suddenly…a run on perfectly stable banks, making them unstable…and Soros cleans up selling or buying Dollars (or Pounds) short…

    Keep your ears open to the news. Listen for the signs.

    This IS a coup and Dean & Co. are part of it.

    Tammy Bruce is in for Laura Ingraham today and is calling Obama the Soros sock puppet. At least SOMEONE has it pegged. Too bad so many Americans are oblivious.

  43. confloyd Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 10:01 am
    What is truly amazing is why Hillary is going along with this! I don’t get it, there is something out there we are all missing.
    ————————-
    I think so, too and it bothers me a lot.

  44. found the link to the story on real clear politics……. includes the video of his speach

    What? Barack Obama Proposes Formation Of Civilian Army Equal In Size To U.S. Military!

    stuckon-stupid.com/2008/07/17/what-barack-obama-proposes-formation-of-civilian-army-equal-in-size-to-us-military/

  45. There is a huge point to still under the bus with Senator Clinton….why don’t we organize and request a meeting with Hillary and try to talk to her? Like a big sit down event where she fields questions from her supporters as to why she’s doing what she’s doing. We aren’t going to her with our quest, we are going around her. If she truly has no intention to continue pursuing the Presidency, then fine, but she does owe us a talking to or something like that. Is that totally impossible?

  46. LJ
    Lynn de Rothschild and Jill Iscoll are very close to HRC. They are insisting that HRC should be placed in nomination and honest roll call vote. That, I think, is our best clue as to what HRC really wants. Why HRC is speaking for the empty O is what I don’t understand unless it’s just to keep herself out there before the public continuing to show how very much better qualified than he is. ???

  47. Tammy Bruce is in for Laura Ingraham today and is calling Obama the Soros sock puppet. At least SOMEONE has it pegged. Too bad so many Americans are oblivious.
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    Tammy Bruce is so intellectually lazy and least Laura Ingraham and Michelle Malkin are talking about principles instead of name calling.

    What does Soros sock puppet mean…But Obambi says a lot about Obama’s cowardliness and immaturity.

    My problem with Obama is his anti-Americanism wrap up in his selfish mean streak narcissism and power hungry Marxism. I don’t like DICTATORSHIP and Obama’s CIVILIAN ARMY is not a slip but a sneak in of his true intentions.

  48. Carbynew, I read O’s speech in Colorado Springs and the local news article and I don’t see any call for a civilian army. Can you quote the significant item for me? thedenverchannel.com/news/16768499/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news
    thedenverchannel.com/politics/16770474/detail.html

  49. lil ole grape Says:

    July 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am
    LJ
    Lynn de Rothschild and Jill Iscoll are very close to HRC. They are insisting that HRC should be placed in nomination and honest roll call vote. That, I think, is our best clue as to what HRC really wants. Why HRC is speaking for the empty O is what I don’t understand unless it’s just to keep herself out there before the public continuing to show how very much better qualified than he is. ???
    *****************************************************
    People please don’t get distracted…focus on defeating Obama. Bill and Hillary are fighting a different battle and it’s mostly inside the Party. Obama and company are trying to destroy the Clinton by using their energy.

    What Hillary and Bill did was to remove themselve to expose Obama weakness to the people and not let Obama hide behind the Clinton. Obama has to produce and what people are finding out about Obama is that he is WEAK, WEAK, WEAK.

    McCain is TIED with Obama and in my opinion McCain is leading Obama but the polls have been consistently inflated for Obama. The many assumptions that Obama threw out are not being challenged by many people in and out of the party.

    This battle will only be won if the PEOPLE continue to fight the powers to be in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party and force them to honor their values and principles.

    Remember, the more you learn about Obama the more you see his TRUE FACE and Intentions.

    Bill and Hillary have to do a tap dance with the Democratic? Leadership because most have place their carreer into the Obama shirttail so if he goes down a lot of people are going down with him. So I’m not surprised at the resistance especially in D.C. but the longer Obama is out there talking and explaining his point of view…and answering questions, the more he is being vetted.

    Obama truly doesn’t understand this country and it’s government. He believes that indoctrinization of our young will put him over the top with his “Cult of Personality.”

  50. lil ole grape Says:

    July 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am
    LJ
    Lynn de Rothschild and Jill Iscoll are very close to HRC. They are insisting that HRC should be placed in nomination and honest roll call vote. That, I think, is our best clue as to what HRC really wants. Why HRC is speaking for the empty O is what I don’t understand unless it’s just to keep herself out there before the public continuing to show how very much better qualified than he is. ???
    *****************************************************
    People please don’t get distracted…focus on defeating Obama. Bill and Hillary are fighting a different battle and it’s mostly inside the Party. Obama and company are trying to destroy the Clinton by using their energy.

    What Hillary and Bill did was to remove themselve to expose Obama weakness to the people and not let Obama hide behind the Clinton. Obama has to produce and what people are finding out about Obama is that he is WEAK, WEAK, WEAK.

    McCain is TIED with Obama and in my opinion McCain is leading Obama but the polls have been consistently inflated for Obama. The many assumptions that Obama threw out are not being challenged by many people in and out of the party.

    This battle will only be won if the PEOPLE continue to fight the powers to be in the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party and force them to honor their values and principles.

    Remember, the more you learn about Obama the more you see his TRUE FACE and Intentions.

    Bill and Hillary have to do a tap dance with the Democratic? Leadership because most have place their carreer into the Obama shirttail so if he goes down a lot of people are going down with him. So I’m not surprised at the resistance especially in D.C. but the longer Obama is out there talking and explaining his point of view…and answering questions, the more he is being vetted.

    Obama truly doesn’t understand this country and it’s government. He believes that indoctrinization of our young will put him over the top with his “Cult of Personality.”

  51. Confloyd: we all deplore conspiracay theorists. They ususally turn out to be wrong. In fact it is delusional to believe in conspiracies. There is only one thing more delusional and that is to deny they ever exist because history proves they do.

    Let me put on my Ron Paul hat for just a minute. I do not think Dean, Pelosi or Brazille are the final judge of anything here. I think they are three very average people. If they are not calling the shots then who is.

    Some people I know believe it is global money men like David Rockafeller and Chase Manhattan. But it is no longer an Anglo-American-Japanese cartel any longer–it includes India, China, Egypt, Russia. I quoted the Samuelson article about this the other day.

    If you look at the behavior of these global money men, it is not the stable administrative system it is made out to be. It is cutthroat capitalism and fraud. This mortage mess is but one example.

    A case could certainly be made that we have passed the point where the people choose their elected officials. It may be that the vote is nothing more than pro forma. If it supports what the money men have chosen fine. If not then the break the rules to see that it goes their way.

    I believe this obama is the candidate of the global money men. Just think about it. No need to elaboate. If you look at his donor list they are there. But the soros connection is the key. I am becoming more convinced of it every day.

    That may be what Hillary is up against. After what she has been through I keep telling myself to cut her some slack, at the moment you either run with the herd or you get trampled.

    It is a mistake to impute greatness to this fucking obama, as the media does. He is nothing more than a shill for big business. And not a particularly smart one at that.

    The question is whether they can run this ruse by the American People. We on this site will not be fooled. It remains to be seen about the rest of us.

    The only thing I am sure of is we are on the righ track in fighting this thing. No doubt about that.

  52. One thing I forgot to mention. If there is any truth to the above, then the party bloomberg is calling for hillary can be seen as an olive branch to hillary from the global money men, since Bloomberg is unquestionably one of them. Again this is speculation, subject to what I said about conspiracy theorists.

  53. wbboei, I did not mean to imply that Hillary was in on anything, but that the answer to what we are looking to find is found by finding out why Hillary is keeping her mouth shut. I do agree that she will be trampled if she did not join up with them. I most assuredly trust Hillary, and I truly believe she has not for one second forgot the millions of us she met during her campaign. I just mean whatever has a hold on her is what is going on, I believe she is doing what she has to to stay revelant for us. Sorry you feel that way about conspiracy theorist,but our government is being overthrown from the inside and I truly belive Obama and Soros are in it together. I just read this about the Weatherman, here’s the linkdiyzine.com/weatherundergroundarticle2.html

  54. Confloyd: I agree with you in every respect. There is no way she has forgotten about us. It goes right back to the paradigm where she chose public service over a career at williams and connelly after graduating from Yale. She is on our side and always will be just as you say.

    As for conspiracy theorists, it was a rhetorical maneuver. I ended up cautiously embracing it didnt I. We need to keep connecting the dots.

  55. wbboie, I think we should be looking at mama a little more closely. A woman born in 1942, she had some interest travels, I wonder if anyone has been able to tie her to the weatherman, she would be a little older than them, but she we definitely of the same ideology. I’ve been looking, but there is just not much on her. I wish I could find out more on the weatherman’s cells across the country. I think she has alot to do with Obama’s ideology and after reading the link, I now see the link between chi Guevara and the weather underground movement!

  56. mp: I did not see any text statement by him. The article was terse. It did note however that he did not offer a similar welcome home party for Rudy, but there could be alot of reasons for that.

  57. It is so unusual that Obama chose Chicago, the scene of the 1968 weather underground riot to move to when he came here from Hawaii. Why, Why, Chicago???

  58. Carbynew “People please don’t get distracted…focus on defeating Obama. Bill and Hillary are fighting a different battle and it’s mostly inside the Party.”
    —-
    We’re not distracted — just trying to understand — it’s all part of the picture. The site is called Hillaryis44 — it’s all about backing HIllary.

    Re the O speech in Colorado Springs, he spoke of increasing the numbers in the military — I couldn’t find a statement about a civilian army — asked for increase in dedicated public service employees.

  59. wbboei, confloyd, did you read “You Down With O.P.P.? Posted on July 2, 2008
    By myiq2xu — shines a little light on your discussion

  60. I think Hillary has many reasons why she’s keeping quiet for now. Some of these are unknown to all but her closest inner circle, but others we can figure out. They include…

    1. Pressure from the DNC to play their stupid party games.
    2. As long as Hillary is out of sight, Waffles is left exposed. He has nowhere to hide. If Hillary were still out in public every day, the media would focus on her and give Bam Bam a free pass. But now his incompetence and arrogance are out there for all to see.
    3. There is nothing Hillary can do to bring him down that he isn’t already doing to himself (unless she happens to have his real birth certificate or a copy of the Whitey tape handy, but even if she does now is not the time to bring them forward).
    4. By doing the unity events and talking nice about Bobo, Hillary is making nice with some of his supporters. She needs some of his people to come over to his side, both before and after the convention. Plus, if she does get the nomination, she has to run against McCain. Thus, it doesn’t do her any good to talk nice about him or encourage her voters to go his way.

  61. Off topic, but I googled my moniker and many anti-Hillary people have used my quotes..kind of creepy.

  62. Isn’t that identify theft. I wonder if you can do something about that. In the outside computer world using someone elses name is illegal.

  63. I am a lawyer, but I do not think it’s actionable as it is my own words published with no real expectation of privacy….

  64. I thought recently someone was found guilty in a court case in which they were accused of causing a suicide of a young teen by emails they had exchange. They used another identity as I remember. Of course you are the expert. I think the cyber world is a whole new legal world. Would be nice if people were held accountable for their actions.

  65. IN this case, they were just trying to show I was an overly zealot Hillary fan….in the above case, it was a premeditated act with intent….

  66. confloyd Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 10:01 am
    What is truly amazing is why Hillary is going along with this! I don’t get it, there is something out there we are all missing. I wish we could figure it out.

    Confloyd,

    If you want to spend time on this, I think one place to dig would be the daysh between Hillary’s first non-concesson speech on a Tuesday and her second non-consession speech (‘suspending’) on a Saturday, in early June. When she was deciding whether to actively fight til Denver. About the time when Rangel(sp?) urged her to quit. Something was said about Pelosi threatening Hillary’s down-ticket supporters in NY? Rangal among them?

    A few days previous to that week, Taylor Marsh correctly predicted that Hillary would cave becasue of some backroom power?threat? the DNC had.

    I know this isn’t any big big conspiracy theory — just one dirty knife that the DNC finally decided to use. And Hillary phone polled some delegates she was counting on in Denver and they said they would not support her in Denver. So she decided not to prolong things.

    So whatever threat they had then (to her NY downtickets?), does it still apply now? Maybe.

  67. jbstonesfan, I just googled by moniker and they have been having a good old time with mine too. The bots are just ridiculous, they want to control everything. Just on Fox Obama will not speak at the brandenburg gate!

  68. Thursday, July 17, 2008
    An Open Letter To Howard Dean from The Denver Group

    Dear Dr. Dean,
    Through the wonders of the internet The Denver Group has learned that you have reportedly discussed us in an interview today. Since the purpose of our ads has been to make our points partly to you as well as the rest of the DNC and Democrats as a whole, normally we’d be pleased to know they are getting through to you. But based on the interviewer’s characterization of your comments, we don’t think you actually know much about The Denver Group, its founders, and its goals. The interviewer writes:

    When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he [Howard Dean] scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.
    No need for you to speculate, Dr. Dean. We are happy to tell you exactly who we are, what we expect of you and the DNC, and why your comment that Senator Clinton’s name will be on the ballot is not enough. Senator Clinton’s name must be put in nomination, not just “on the ballot” and the roll call vote to be a real honest and open opportunity for superdelegates to do their job under DNC rules and select the nominee at the Convention. Just saying that Senator Clinton’s name will be on the ballot is not going to fool anyone. Being on the ballot counts for nothing if a candidate’s name is not placed in nomination. More than 18 million Democratic voters would be pleased to hear you say publicly that there will be an open convention with Senator Clinton’s name placed in nominaton and an open roll call vote.

    Since the interviewer in question does not quote you directly and certainly has never asked us about our views on any of the matters you supposedly raised in relation to our group, we are not speculating as to what you actually said or what you actually believe or know about The Denver Group and its founders, Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin. If you want to actually know and so that you have your facts right feel free to contact us.

    Sincerely,
    Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin
    for The Denver Group

  69. Hi, Hillfriends:

    I signed a petition in protest of the media’s treatment of our candidate a couple of months ago. Today I received another email from Emily’s List, this time to protest the Washington Times’ treatment of Gov. Granholm and poor Mrs. Obama. I don’t think the situations are equivalent and I think they’re outrage is both tardy and misplaced. I wanted to share their message and my response in honor of the courageous women of Seneca Falls – then and now. Sorry in advance that this is very long.

    * * * *
    Dear ,

    They’re at it again.

    This week’s Washington Times described a campaign rally in Michigan featuring Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Michelle Obama as an “estrogenfest” and a “girlie show.”

    Click here to tell The Washington Times to stop using sexist cliches that demean and trivialize women. (link)

    The Times — arguably one of the top newspapers in the nation’s capital and a leading voice in Washington’s conservative establishment — didn’t mask its gender bias in the least. The article barely mentioned the economy, the actual topic of discussion between these two dynamic leaders — both respected, accomplished women who have worked hard to get to the top of their fields.

    It did, however, give a detailed description of Michelle Obama’s physique: “. . .the statuesque Mrs. Obama, baring enviably chic, muscular arms in a sleeveless sheath. . .”

    This is what passes for serious journalism these days? Give me a break.

    Click here to send a message to The Times’ editors that we won’t sit passively by while they let this demeaning reporting continue. (link)

    Gender bias is all over cable news — we don’t need it in the morning paper, too. Join me in telling The Washington Times to start treating women with respect.

    Please help by sending your own letter to The Washington Times — or borrow language from our sample message.

    Working together, we can make lasting changes.

    Warmly,
    Ellen R. Malcolm

    * * * *
    Here is the message I was moved to write to Ms. Malcolm:

    Dear Ms. Malcolm:

    I am in reciept of your appeal to sign a petition protesting the Washington Times’ characterizations of the event headlined by Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Ms. Michelle Obama. I will not sign it and felt it was important to share with you my reasons.

    Your outrage over the sexist slant to the reportage of the Washington Times rings hollow. Where were you during the actual time that Senator Clinton was being treated much worse by the misogynistic press and the DNC? Though I was paying close attention, I did not notice any protest from your group or other women’s groups until well after the primaries were over.

    And, where was Michelle Obama during those long, hateful months? I’ll tell you: actively joining in the Hillary hate. I will not sign any petition in support of a woman who perpetuates misogyny by her own words and actions, no matter how badly that woman is in turn treated. I believe that woman gives up the right to be defended from against actions when she participates enthusiastically herself in such attacks against other women. I also believe that a woman gives up that right if she holds a leadership position that carries a responsiblilty to speak out against unfair and hateful treatment and does not do so. Many women, both in the public eye and out of it, are in fact their own worst enemies.

    And, on that subject: where was Emily’s List when not a single debate was planned to discuss the issues that are of particular importantance to women and their families? Why were several debates sponsored by African American oriented organizations, but none sponsored by Emily’s List, NOW, or even the benign League of Women Voters? Where was Emily’s List in demanding national level recognition when the first woman ever won a primary election? Did you hold the DNC, the media, or the Obama campaign fully accountable? Where were you, Ms. Malcolm?

    I respect and obviously agreed with Emily’s List’s support for Hillary; I gladly signed a petition in protest of the mysognistic and personal hate leveled at her. I truly hope that your appeal to those of us who felt the insults on political and personal levels was not simply a list-building strategy.

    I will not donate to Emily’s List until you earn my trust. I will never again donate to the DNC or NARAL who have used, then ignored women. And, if I learn of your endorsement of any democrat who stood by silently or participated actively in the misogyny, or if you attempt to blackmail women into supporting bad candidates based on a single issue, I will remove myself permanently from your list and encourage my friends to do the same.

    Respectfully,

  70. confloyd Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    It is so unusual that Obama chose Chicago, the scene of the 1968 weather underground riot to move to when he came here from Hawaii. Why, Why, Chicago???
    ====================================

    I have got links at ironmyvote.com/index.html#obamabackground to major profiles by Chicago Tribune etc that tell why Obama chose Chicago etc — or at least give his own story about why. There’s also a link to a good article about Obama’s mother. Also follow the link to Steve Sailer’s blog.

  71. jbstonesfan Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    IN this case, they were just trying to show I was an overly zealot Hillary fan….

    ======================================

    If anything, you’re underzealous. 🙂

  72. informed in Illinois, Right-on, that was a great response. I got that letter too, it made me sick!

  73. Thanks, Confloyd. I’m penning something similar to NOW – their email asks for support taking on the New Yorker in defense of Precious and Mrs. Precious. Aside from the discussion about whether the two of them have actually earned commentary about their radical affiliations, doesn’t NOW have better things to do that actually support their mission? What happened to ERA? What happened to “equal pay?” Why aren’t they lobbying hard on universal health care? While allowing themselves to be perpetually hijacked by the never-ending partisan wrangling over choice (a settled matter) the leadership of these organizations on the issues most important to women has been nothing short of dismal.

  74. Here’s something you’ll all like:
    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/hrc_campaign_aides_buy_2012_we_1.php

  75. wbboei and others,

    I’m one who believes the act is impossible, but sometimes people can nudge Murphy’s Law along.

    Okay, I don’t know what these ‘money men’ may be capable of among themselves. The gnomes of Zurich who made money crashing the British currency; that would presumably be them getting together with their cigars and tophats and spats and striped trousers and figuring it out in detail.

    But as for Obama or for that matter Bush Jr…. If you were a smart international money man planning something years in advance, wouldn’t you choose a smarter tool than O or B Jr?

    Compare the Paula Jones vast right wing conspiracy. Neither Jones nor Lewinsky nor Tripp were conscious agents in on the planning.

    See Chernev’s THE LIGHT SIDE OF CHESS. You don’t have to plan in detail a dozen moves ahead. You just at every chance advance one of your pieces to a position of power.

    I’m not sure there even WAS that much planning in the Paula Jones thing. There were some ‘elves’ at a law firm that gave her free legal work to keep it alive. Just cultivating a weed in the garden that was doing some harrassment, some damage, to Bill.

    Sure the RW was there to push each little thing along and to drive the nails in when teh right combination showed up. But that’s not the level of planning/conspiracy that some people seem to push, and we healthier people disbelieve.

    I’m not saying the stronger conspiracy theories are wrong. Just that you’d have an easier sell with slightly weaker versions.

    What was it in law? Price-fixing? You don’t need photos of the bigwigs at a table together, just the fact that all their prices coincide is enough to charge them with something. They may never have got together, they may just each be watching each other from afar….

    The level I find believable is this:
    In 2000 the press worked against Gore and we got a dumb tool of big money elected.
    In 2008 the press worked against Hillary and we may get a tool of big money elected, whether it’s McCain or Obama.
    The press is big business. Somehwere up there are managers hired by managers who all just happen to hate the Clintons (who are the only effective anti-big-money powers we have).

    Just a little invisible tweaking at the top….

  76. Great letter, Informed in Illinois. I received a similar call to action from the Feminist Majority and I gave them a piece of my mind. I also got that same email from Emily’s List but I deleted it without responding. But I’m glad you told them the way it is.

    If there’s one thing I have learned from this election, it’s how irrelevant all the so-called women’s organizations really are. You’re right– why aren’t they doing anything about equal pay or universal health care? Why do they only seem to be concerned with abortion rights? Yes, it’s an important issue, but for me it isn’t THE issue and it doesn’t affect me personally.

  77. Honorable man VS car salesman

    PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS….A vote for the car salesman is a vote for over 20 years of personal relationship with REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan…He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. ….I’m tired of all his rhetoric…..The more I listen to this guy the more I hate him……He can not be trusted…

    A flip-flopper to get an experience! He voted “present” for more a hundred times, because he did not know how to vote “Yes or No” …WOW, this guy is a totally a joke!

    Remember Muslim’s sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run BUT he can not hide.

    I was a lifelong Democrat, but now Independent. I will never vote for Barrack Hussein OBAMA.

    Please don’t be fooled by a car salesman. ….As a patriotic American; I don’t care if you are a Democrats or Republicans, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

    Please vote for your conscience!!!!

    Go for HRC 2012!!!!!!!!!!

  78. Jen, thanks. I feel it is insulting to all women and men to reduce “women’s issuess” to the single issue of choice. Reproductive rights are important, but it’s now settled. And it’s “choice.” One can safely choose for themselves. from offense to defense and go on offense
    It’s time to “move on” to make progress on other even more important issues: documenting equal rights for women, equal pay, women’s/human rights all over the globe. Universal health care (like it or not, women are usually primary caregivers and high costs hurt them most), poverty (again… well you know) and above all, education (the only real antidote to poverty and not so coincidentally, the only way to ensure we stay competitive in a global economy).

    As Hillary was first to say, “it takes a village…”

  79. Sorry for the hasty editing. I meant at end of first par., “It’s time to go from offense to defense and go on offense on other issues.”

  80. I just went to Hillary.com and it’s sad to go there, its like we have lost a good friend or something. This race is now extremely boring and it reeks of selection and not of election! 🙁

  81. Before I log off, THANKS ADMIN, for another outstanding article. Politics IS conflict. It’s based on debate, opposing views, eventual compromise. We have divided government for a reason: it keeps both sides accountable.

    When Obama speaks of “uniting the country” people hear “work together in a perfect world.” However, he and his backers are cynically referring to a Chicago-style combine where there is no “Democrat” and “Republican” but, rather the “Combine/machine” and the powerless “reformers.” He wants to unite D/R behind their shared money interests, loot the taxpayers on a national/international scale with patronage and cronyism and receive more absolute power in return.

    Ugh. ABM90 has it right.
    Long live conflict! Long live debate!

  82. Ugh. ABM90 has it right.
    Long live conflict! Long live debate!

    =======================

    And as Bill Clinton said, “We have to compromise, so we don’t have to kill each other.”

  83. lil ole grape Says:

    July 18th, 2008 at 10:51 am
    Carbynew, I read O’s speech in Colorado Springs and the local news article and I don’t see any call for a civilian army. Can you quote the significant item for me? thedenverchannel.com/news/16768499/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news
    thedenverchannel.com/politics/16770474/detail.html
    *****************************************************
    Grape, the media is the problem they have been redacting Obama’s speeches because they now if the People where to read this:

    “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    It will be worst then the FISA fallout for Obama.

    But this country and the people are too important to let Obama and the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party throw under the bus with the rest of their principles and values.

    Check out link of Obama’s complete speech @ 16:45 on video.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/another_inconvenient_truth_dow_1.html

  84. McCain heads to American heartland; Obama heads abroad
    15 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — As Democrat Barack Obama was readying Friday a trip to Europe and the Middle East, rival Republican presidential hopeful John McCain planned to head to the US heartland to potential swing states.

    Obama was due Tuesday in Jordan, first stop on a tour that was to take him also to Israel and three European nations: Germany, France and Britain. As a side trip Obama also could travel to Iraq and Afganistan technically as part of a congressional trip.

    With star broadcasters on the scene, US media outlets plan to give ample coverage to Obana’s trip abroad; McCain’s campaign has sought to portray Obama as a relative neophyte on international affairs.

    And all the media interest in Obama appears to have McCain feeling a bit left out, and his camp has started grumbling that the Democrat is getting unfair positive treatment.

    McCain’s own trip to Europe and the Middle East in March did not trigger a media firestorm of interest. Asked about the trip Friday by USA Today, Charles Black, one of McCain’s top advisers, said his team would ask television networks to give both candidates equal air time.

    Republican Virginia lawmaker Eric Cantor slammed Obama’s trip as “nothing but a political stunt.”

    Republican Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, seen by some as a potential McCain running mate, said on MSNBC “I am concerned about the unprecedented political rallies that he’s going to be having across Europe.”

    “It’s one thing to meet with world leaders. It’s another thing to basically be campaigning for president of the Europe, it seems. And that’s a little unprecedented and concerning, if he is going to have political rallies,” Pawlenty said.

    News organizations have tripped over each other to get coverage deals for the trip with the Obama campaign. ABC’s Charles Gibson, NBC’s Brian Williams and CBS’ Katie Couric, the top three news anchors of US network television, have already cut deals to follow Obama’s footsteps next week in Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and Britain.

    In all, some 200 journalists are vying for 40 accredited spots to accompany the 46-year-old candidate on his foreign trip, according to The Washington Post.

    McCain, for his part, has decided to keep his campaign focused on economic issues and jobs, which polls show are US voters’ top concerns.

    The Arizona senator on Friday toured an automotive plant in Warren, Michigan.

    Then he plans to criss-cross the country to Colorado, New Hampshire, Ohio and Pennsylvania to talk about jobs, energy and health care. The four states are expected to be close electoral battle grounds in November.

    In 2004, the election was won in Ohio. Obama lost his party’s primary in all those states to Hillary Clinton except Colorado, and he needs to lock them in if he is going to win in November.

    With Obama away, the Democratic Party expects to be defending him with tough broadsides next week at McCain’s economic policies which the Democrats say are more of the same delivered by President George W. Bush.

    McCain is saying he will balance the budget by 2013, the end of what would be a first term for him in the White House, but the Democrats say his plans would cause the budget deficit to keep balooning.
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    I hope Obambi stay out of the country for awhile because he has ALREADY caused a international controversy and since Obama whats to be the President of Germany and France, well lets say Europe, he should be in good company with the foreign media there has had this love affair with him.

  85. 1950: Yes – conflict, debate, and eventual compromise. Absolutely. It’s a process – it’s WORK. I am in awe of how much planning, work and compromise has gone into Bill and Hillary’s work over the years. It’s how you actually get something done in government.

    * * * *
    Here is a fun document from Camp McCain – a “press briefing” for those smitten scribes chosen to travel with THE ONE to Europe and Iraq.
    Find the link to the doc posted at Politico on Hillbuzz:

    http://www.hillbuzz.blogspot.com

    Enjoy!

  86. Sadly many progressive groups, not for profit organizations, unions and many others are trapped.

    Their meager budgets will not hold out another 4 years of a republican administration. The good works they do on the environment, election and campaign reform, workers rights, civil rights and liberties, and on and on, will either be put on hold or they must vote for a president who is unqualified, out of touch and cannot be trusted. They must chose between a 3rd party candidate (who will not likely inhabit the oval office) or a democrat that has promised the moon and the stars but has neither to give, not vote, (not an option) or elect another republican that puts priority everywhere but on the American people.

    They are shaking their heads with this dilema but will swallow hard and give the democratic party it’s wish. They have resigned themselves to accepting the democratic power broker’s choice. Literally, the least of all the evils.

    It’s truly a sad day for them when HOPE and CHANGE really meant something UNTIL now. That light at the end of the tunnel has become nothing more than a mere illusion. Their work will be harder as they clamor for the attention of the self obsorbed occupant they have chosen for 1600 Pennsyvania Ave.

    It is a sad day for them and a sad day for all of America.

    I think I’ll get drunk.

  87. drudge reports obama’s security risks abroad are alarming. duh. obama wants a foot tour of the old cityjerusalem. holy hell-but israel said no way. israel is very concerned and has asked obama not go-esp to ramallah here there are enoguh woes. one slip up and world cirisis will erupt.
    more-

    SECURITY FEARS SHADOW OBAMA TOUR
    Fri Jul 18 2008 06:26:46 ET

    Obama ‘s planned trip to Israel and the West Bank has raised security concerns to levels not seen since the Illinois senator began his presidential bid, officials tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

    Coming just weeks after shots were fired at Israel’s TLV airport during a farewell ceremony for France’s Sarkozy, from an apparent suicide of a security guard, Obama’s trek to the region has become a serious logistical and safety challenge.

    “I would prefer if he did not make the trip to Ramallah,” a concerned government official explained Thursday night from Washington. “And he must use extreme caution throughout Israel at this time, in my opinion, especially Jerusalem.”

    A planned foot tour of Jerusalem’s Old City has been called off, a senior source reveals.

    [Obama’s specific itinerary is not being made public.]

    The six-day foreign adventure is set to begin. Campaign officials have announced stops in Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and England.

    Developing…

  88. Poliico is calling the McCain ad “sharply negative”. Politico is wrong. The ad is somewhat confused and not very direct at all. The ad is also visually very flattering towards Obama (and the visual is much more important than the text and the narration). The more we see the ad the less beneficial towards McCain it appears. McCain’s ad people better reassess their approach. Whoever selected the Obama photographs (and the shining halo-type light behind Obama) needs to go back to film school.

  89. Carby,

    “What Hillary and Bill did was to remove themselve to expose Obama weakness to the people and not let Obama hide behind the Clinton.”

    i hope to heck you’re right!
    Everyone,

    I’ve been having trouble posting today. Anyone else having problems?

  90. in 2004, Bush hammered John Kerry as flip-floper day and night. McCain needs to hammer BHO day and night as a politician who has no principal stand and not ready to be CIC.

  91. confloyd,

    Well, You inspired me to google my moniker, too, and this is one of the results. 👿

    #
    filbertsf, on June 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm Said:

    basil9 is a biatch ,she is @hillis44.

    she is a devil ,
    #
    filbertsf, on June 10th, 2008 at 3:25 pm Said:

    Actually ,i am an obamabot , but they wll never know ,

    they all stupid hags there .
    #
    filbertsf, on June 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pm Said:

    i do my best to create trouble there @hillis44.and then they start fight with each other calling each other –troll–troll–

  92. This is an AMAZING blog by Patsy, an AA military woman, about the TRUE consequences playing the race card could have on AA’s for years to come.

    .
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/when-race-becomes-a-political-strategy/#more-3661

  93. admin, I agree with you all about the ad. I guess the McCain campaign is tentative about appearing too negative at this point. If that’s true, then just run positive ads about McCain rather than some half-assed effort to be critical.

    BTW, Did anyone here see this about an interview tape that could embarrass Waffles?

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/new-yorker-cover-cartoon-not-a-satire/#more-3645

  94. LMAO!

    Poooooooor Cowie! hehehe

    from an NQ blogger:

    Howard Dean might have gotten a bit more than he bargained for today when he jumped off his bus this morning in Crawford to launch a multi-state Democratic Party registration drive. The first person he met was Guila Jackson’

    “We want a nominee who’s elected, not selected,” she said, gripping Dean’s hand as he sought to get away. Jackson’s part of a pro-Hillary group, PUMA – Party Unity my Ass…..PUMA POWER

  95. Obama’s S2731 Passes! Now he must share the Wealth…

    Senate Bill 2 2731, introduced by Sentor Obama recently passed the Senate. Obama & John McCain did not vote on this bill. This bill passed by a majority of 80- 16 margin. Obama drafted the bill, in hopes of sending billions overseas. But it seems he must now share the wealth!

    I commend Senator John Thune(R) from the state of South Dakota & Senator Jon Kyl (R) from the state of AZ. If not for them every dime of the billions would be going overseas. However, due to these two mens efferts, and the efferts of many Sentors, the bill has passed with at least part of the billions going to Native Americans.

    This bill will cost the tax payers of 800 billion dollars! Before the bill was admended, with a appriation of funds for Native Americans, I opposed this bill. However, it is my feeling that the very least they can do is share some of the wealth with those you need it most.

    “It’s an embarrassment that we in the Congress are not able to meet these requirements for our own Native American population and yet we’re willing to spend $50 billion on this foreign aid program,” added Kyl, the second-ranking Republican in the Senate.

    Thune said his amendment addresses a wide range of law enforcement and justice issues. Half of the $1 billion will go to the Department of Justice for construction, rehabilitation and placement of detention facilities.

    Another 40 percent would go to the Bureau of Indian Affairs to fund law enforcement personnel and tribal courts. The remaining 10 percent of the $1 billion is dedicated to investigations and prosecutions by the FBI and U.S. Attorneys and for other justice efforts.

    “Tribal, state, and federal leaders face a host of challenges in Indian Country, and many of them have roots in inadequate funding and infrastructure for law enforcement,” Thune said yesterday.

    One “conservative” Republican senator, John Thune of South Dakota, talked about how he managed to obtain $2 billion in the bill for “tribal needs” such as water projects and “public safety” on Indian reservations.

    Granted 2 billion is not alot in comparison to the 50 billion, however at least some of the funds will go to Native American Needs. This seems like a small victory in comparison to billions going overseas. But I do commend the Senators efforts, regarding Native American Issues. I am totally opposed to sending any funds overseas, when so many of our own people suffer, so greatly.

    I believe this money would be best spent in the United States. However, wthout the efforts of these two men, all the funds would be spent outside our shores. It is a disgrace that Senator Obama, would introduce such a bill. Then not even bother to show up for the vote.

    This only furthers my belief, that Obama has no concern for Native Americans. His only concern was to draft the bill, intended for overseas spending. Then, once the bill was amended to alot funds to Americans, he did not show up.

    This is a clear indication, where his loyalties lay. Unfortunately it is not with Native Americans or Americans in general

    nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/obama%e2%80%99s-s2731-passes-now-he-must-share-the-wealth%e2%80%a6/

  96. basil, so filbert is a troll, wow, i would not have guessed it. I talked to filbert all the time. So sad for them all. They are up to their eyeballs in kool-aid. You certainly can search everything I have ever written, I am totally for Hillary, I can’t even stand McCain, I don’t like Nader, so what the hell are we supposed to do. I hope those ladies will keep after Dean, show him to stay the heck out of the south.

  97. Yeah, McCain needs to step things up and explain to voters how sharply he contrasts with Obama, NOW. He’s being way too easy on him. The longer he waits, the more difficulty he’ll have.

  98. basil9 Says:

    July 18th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    This is an AMAZING blog by Patsy, an AA military woman, about the TRUE consequences playing the race card could have on AA’s for years to come.

    .
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/when-race-becomes-a-political-strategy/#more-3661
    *****************************************************
    I love this woman she has so much passion for this country and I agreed with many other posters on noquarterusa.net site that this is the type of person we want in Congress.

  99. Nothing will happen to him in Ramallah, the man is an Arab for heavens sake. He barely has any AA blood at all. That’s where he has been getting all his money. The Arabs love him. I personally don’t want him anywhere near Jerusalem, he isn’t fit for that trip.

  100. debbie Says:

    July 18th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    Sadly many progressive groups, not for profit organizations, unions and many others are trapped.

    Their meager budgets will not hold out another 4 years of a republican administration. The good works they do on the environment, election and campaign reform, workers rights, civil rights and liberties, and on and on, will either be put on hold or they must vote for a president who is unqualified, out of touch and cannot be trusted. They must chose between a 3rd party candidate (who will not likely inhabit the oval office) or a democrat that has promised the moon and the stars but has neither to give, not vote, (not an option) or elect another republican that puts priority everywhere but on the American people.

    They are shaking their heads with this dilema but will swallow hard and give the democratic party it’s wish. They have resigned themselves to accepting the democratic power broker’s choice. Literally, the least of all the evils.

    It’s truly a sad day for them when HOPE and CHANGE really meant something UNTIL now. That light at the end of the tunnel has become nothing more than a mere illusion. Their work will be harder as they clamor for the attention of the self obsorbed occupant they have chosen for 1600 Pennsyvania Ave.

    It is a sad day for them and a sad day for all of America.
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    Pathetic!!!

    I’m sorry but if this is how they feel, then they are truly WEAK. What are they going to do if the economy tank and the Democrat cut the budget anyway?

    See that’s the kind of thinking and action that has hurt this great nation and it’s time to get off the pot and FIGHT for this country and it’s people.

    Obama NEVER promised any group anything except sending our money overseas and it looks like he got his way on that with this “dumb and dumber” Congress.

  101. The Chicago Against Obama Team would like to congratulate the Chicago Political Machine on it’s 77th anniversary, and with Obama at the helm, here’s to another 77 years of corruption and patronage!!-MAZEL TOV!

    Senator Obama is expected to meet with German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, next Thursday in Berlin. Sources are telling us that Obama called for the meeting as a last ditch effort to convince Merkel to allow him to speak in front of the Brandenburg Gates. As has been reported from various outlets this week, Senator Obama is hoping to deliver a meaningless speech to the German people, who could not care less about what a Junior Senator, from Illinois, has to say.

    While the German people think Obama’s speech is PR fluff; Obama and his team are hellbent on doing the speech in front of the gates, and are willing to offer their final bargaining chip……..none other than the thrice platinum (in Germany)…….booming baritone…..David Hasselhoff. Using his Hollywood cache, Obama was able to convince Hasselhoff to participate in a campaign commercial with Merkel (she has an upcoming election with Berlin’s Mayor), should she allow Obama to speak in this historic venue.

    We will be sure to keep you updated on the results of the meeting

    chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/
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    This is embarrassing and looks so presidential to hear how decades of goodwill is being thrown out the window for King Obama and the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party is again showing their disrespect to another woman politician.

    Just sooooooo disrespectful and brings up the UGLY AMERICAN profile.

  102. carbynew,

    I wish it were as simple as saying they are weak. Our problems in the democratic party did not happen over night. It is the very structure of our political system that has rotted and become corrupt and useless. We can’t expect that one election would make the difference. Defeating BHO will only be a temporary victory. I’ve worked with various organizations that have been struggling to do the right thing for years. It is not their weakness that is to blame. Non-profit orgs. have been fighting the “good fight” a very long time. They learned to play within the system that was created.

    And by the way…people are responsible for this mess. We’ve become so lax and apathetic about our politics, 1/3 of us at best show up to vote. We can always blame someone else if we look hard enough.

    I for one take respondsibility.

  103. horrors..obama-the-great is stretching his conquest of europe and the middle east tour through next week. we won’t be able to escape. 🙁

    perfect time for hill to make a comeback on the media trail! 🙂

  104. alcina: perfect time for hill to make a comeback on the media trail!

    That’s exactly what she should be doing!

  105. alcina…obama-the-great is stretching his conquest of europe and the middle east

    to that end – check this out!

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/freedomfairy-news-update-odd-goings-on-at-berlins-famed-victory-column/

  106. “What’s right and good doesn’t come naturally. You have to stand up and fight for it — as if the cause depends on you, because it does.”
    Bill Moyers quotes

  107. Howard Dean and the Democratic? Taliban Party southern stategy:

    By the time Mr. Dean got to the podium, his white knit shirt was already droopy from perspiration. He announced that Texas was part of a strategy to win back the South.

    “This is the first time we’ve been able to campaign in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia and North Carolina, which are the states we’re going to in the next couple of weeks. And we know we have a chance of winning,” he said.

    From Reconstruction to the 1960s, the South was solidly Democratic. But Lyndon Johnson famously predicted the party’s advocacy of civil rights would doom the party in the South for a generation or more. In the last two presidential elections, the Democrats failed to carry a single Southern state.

    Mr. Dean declared the party will try this year, although he hedged about actually winning the Lone Star State.

    “We’re a little behind in Texas,” he said. “But we’re not so far behind that we can’t win. We want to either win or get close enough in Texas so that Rick Noriega becomes the next United States senator.”

    In the meantime, Mr. Dean declared, “Barack Obama is going to bring unity back to America.”
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    You would have won multiple southern states with Hillary Clinton if only you had faith in the American people.

    It will be interesting to see if Obama being at the head of the ticket will be able to help Rick Noriega win the Senate seat….hmmm

  108. The hubris of BO, is astounding. Can you imagine, if a politician or candidate from Europe or the Middle East came to the U.S., and wanted to give speeches at famous landmarks, such as the Jefferson Memorial, Statue of Liberty, Congress, etc.? Don’t you think, people would be more impressed with the audacity of arrogance and pompous behavior? It blows my mind, that he is going to Europe to give speeches and to have rallies. The U.S. press is making fools of themselves. I hope, McCain gets some equal coverage.

    Isn’t some Hollywood movie director/producer making a film about BO’s campaign? I wonder, how much of this pompous behavior is being driven by that? I hope, Merkel says, “No thanks.”

    The global poverty act, makes me ill. We cannot afford this. What about the people in this country, who are starving, out of work, and live in poverty. I am so sick of this corrupt congress. Was it for 800 billion or 50 billion?

    Finally, I am disappointed in filbertsf. I used to “talk” to him/her. People who are trolls, need to get a life. Hanging out at different blogs, causing chaos and fighting, is a waste of time, unless one is getting paid for it. Even then, what a droll thing to do.

  109. “his white knit shirt was already droopy from perspiration”

    EVERYone in the South knows ya don’t wear a KNIT ANYTHING in the summer!

    jeeze

  110. Democrat Rick Noriega, who is challenging incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, says the $12 billion monthly price tag for the war in Iraq would be better spent at home.

    June 7, 2008, 10:40PM
    SUNDAY CONVERSATION
    Noriega offers economic ideas

    Rick Noriega, a state lawmaker from Houston, is the Democratic U.S. Senate nominee. He spoke at the Texas Democrats’ state convention this weekend in Austin. Houston Chronicle reporter R.G. Ratcliffe asked him about his race against incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, who will be interviewed in next Sunday’s Q&A.

    http://www.ricknoriega.com/news/articles?id=0051
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    Rick Noriega is from Houston and is challenging Sen. John Cornyn for his seat.

  111. Dean urges Texans to vote Dems into office
    DNC chairman stops in Austin on national tour to register voters

    By Teresa Mioli
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    Media Credit: Megan Peyton
    Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, speaks to a crowd at Brush Square in dowtown Austin Thursday.

    Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean rolled into Austin Thursday afternoon aboard a red, white and blue bio-diesel bus for the second stop on the committe’s nationwide voter registration tour.

    The 2004 presidential candidate campaigned not only on behalf of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama but also for state Democratic candidates.

    “Rick Noriega’s going to be a lot better senator than John Cornyn is, and if we pick up five seats in the Texas House we can get a House of Representatives that’s actually going to do something about health care and gas prices,” Dean said Thursday in Brush Square Park across from the Austin Convention Center.

    Dean started the tour in Crawford, the small Texas town where President Bush’s ranch is located, before heading south to address about 300 Austinites at the park.

    “A lot of people want change in this country, even in Crawford, Texas,” said committee spokeswoman Stacie Paxton. “To have a hundred people come out in a town, that’s 700 in population I think says something about people wanting change in this country.”

    Local Democratic grassroots organizers attended Dean’s speech to further their own efforts in expanding the party within the state.

    “Everyone right now is really pushing for change, and I think the biggest change Texas can do is turn blue,” said 19-year-old Thomas Sizer, a member of Rep. Mark Strama’s Campaign Academy and a volunteer with Turn Texas Blue, a Travis County Democratic organization.

    Among the crowd were bloggers from around the country attending the 2008 Netroots Nation conference where Dean spoke

    early Thursday night. Netroots Nation is an online blogging community for progressive voices in politics.

    “[The bloggers] bring a voice to the process,” Paxton said. “The Democratic Party’s about including more people into the process, and that’s what this convention is about – giving people a voice in their own democracy.”

    Paxton said the blue bus’s presence in a red state is important for the national Democratic Party.

    “While it may be a challenge to win the presidential election here, we are only a few points down,” Paxton said. “We have great candidates, like Rick Noriega, that are running for the Senate, and having a majority in the Senate is going to be really critical when Barack Obama is president so we can get priorities done for the American people.”

    media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/07/18/TopStories/Dean-Urges.Texans.To.Vote.Dems.Into.Office-3392323.shtml
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    Photo of Howard Dean’s s white knit shirt droopy from perspiration attached.

  112. norma desmond

    thanks for the laugh. the “Caesar” depiction is perfect, as in “Caligula”.

  113. i bet it was a race to the restroom to see who would make the mile-high club with B-HO first. hhmmm, who do you think won? brian, charlie or katie?

    my money’s on brian williams.

  114. Despite hype, Obama won’t carry Georgia
    By Jim Wooten | Friday, July 18, 2008, 09:24 PM

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    What happened?

    The throw-the-rascals-out sentiment never materialized at the polls last Tuesday. Incumbents won.

    Clayton County voters pitched a fit about a sorry school board and the local system’s possible loss of accreditation. And when it came time to do something about it, only one in five bothered to go to the polls.

    The lesson from last Tuesday?

    For one, U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss is more secure than I’d previously thought. Part of it is that both Republican and Democratic incumbents fared well.

    The same was true for incumbents in the Georgia House and Senate. A loss or a runoff here and there, but through the primary, it’s an incumbent’s year. And Clayton. Passionate people did nothing to follow through.

    A primary is not a presidential election. People who register now may indeed turn out in November for a historic event — the first general election with a black man as a major-party nominee.

    But, stripped of the hype, it seems even less likely that Georgia could be in play for Barack Obama or that this will be anything other than the usual strongly contested presidential election. Those who are most excited about the Obama candidacy — the young — are historically no-shows at the polls.

    Among Democrats, with the heated presidential primary between Obama and Hillary Clinton on Feb. 5, turnout by black females ages 18-24 in Georgia was 22 percent. For white females of that age group who voted Democratic, it was 7 percent. Among black males, it was 16 percent; among white males, 6 percent. Among Republicans, it was 7 percent for the category; 12 percent for white males and females.

    The point is that registering young voters and actually getting them to vote are entirely different matters.

    There’s some indication, too, that the much-publicized Obama surge in voter registration is hyped. The “surge,” so far at least, is consistent with the 2004 presidential year, according to information posted by Secretary of State Karen Handel’s office.

    Between January and June of this year, new registration by black females (41,995) grew by 4.8 percent. Between January and June of 2004, black female registration grew (35,100) by 4.9 percent.

    Same time period for white female registration growth: 44,644, or 2.5 percent this year; 42,060, or 2.5 percent in 2004.

    For black males: 30,844, or 5.1 percent this year; 29,037, or 5.9 percent in 2004. For white males: 39,820, or 2.5 percent this year; 41,934, or 2.8 percent in 2004.

    In June-to-June comparisons this presidential year, the percentage increase for black females was 9.0; for black males, 9.7; for white females, 5.0; and for white males, 4.8.

    In June-to-June for the 2004 presidential year, it was 8.3 for black females; 9.9 for black males; 4.5 for white females; and 4.8 for white males.

    The standout category is women — and that’s not a category that clearly favors one party over the other. Single women gravitate to the Democratic Party, married women to the Republican.

    The “surge” of registrations this year is routinely put at 300,000. That’s somewhat misleading in that presidential years attract voters who don’t go to the polls in intervening years. Of the 300,000 about 107,000 fall into that category. The actual number of new active voters, according to Handel’s spokesman, is 193,585. Currently active registration is 4.74 million; in July 2004, it was 3.91 million.

    George W. Bush defeated John Kerry in the state by about 550,000 votes in 2004. The last Democrat to carry Georgia was Bill Clinton in 1992. He won by a 14,000-vote margin because independent Ross Perot siphoned off 300,000 — one reason no disenchanted conservative should abandon John McCain for Bob Barr.

    The primary point to be made here is that a gap exists between political hype and reality. We’re being spun. It is shaping up to be, well, a typical presidential election year — hyper and partisan. Georgia is not in play, the hype notwithstanding

    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2008/07/18/despite_hype_obama_wont_carry.html
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    I see realistic polls are starting to come out and it ain’t pretty for the Democrats?

    Like it has been said before: Obama is not electable in the G.E.

  115. Again one more time a huge thankyou to admin and everyone who posts — I am very busy at the moment and can only spare a few minutes here and there. By the time I finiah reading all of the posts I am off to work. But I am still here.

  116. Obama’s cache of cash; now he must keep filling it
    $52 million he raised in June is a baseline, not a high water mark
    By The Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Though he’s raking in the cash so far, Barack Obama ‘s decision to forgo public funds for the fall campaign means he must keep up his torrid pace — a tall order that will tax his time, test his Internet support and require the help of Democratic donors who once wished for his defeat.

    The Democratic nominee-in-waiting had his second-best fundraising month in June, a $52 million haul that swamped presidential rival John McCain by more than 2-1. He also got a big boost from his party, which raised nearly five times as much as it had in May.

    The new figures underscore the Illinois senator’s status as a fundraising star. He has raised $340 million during his presidential run to McCain’s $132 million.

    Obama’s June total also reversed a three-month decline and helped close a cash-on-hand gap between the Democratic and Republican presidential operations. Together, Obama and the Democratic National Committee had $92 million in the bank at the end of June compared with $96 million for McCain and the Republican National Committee.

    But the totals also set a tough new standard for Obama’s presidential campaign: The $52 million he raised in June is now a baseline, not a high water mark.

    “For him to maintain the pace that it looks as if he will need, he will have to match his best-ever month every month,” said Michael Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan group that tracks trends in political money. “That’s what he’s done this time, pretty close to his best-ever month, and he’ll need to sustain this pace or increase it.”

    Obama’s best fundraising month was February, when he took in $55 million.

    Overall, the McCain campaign has estimated that it and Republican Party committees will have $400 million to spend on the presidential election in the months before the November election.

    http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=209351

  117. While Hyping Obama’s Trip, CBS Notes ‘Blistering Critiques’ of ‘Liberal Media’ from ‘Conservative Blogosphere’
    By Brent Baker (Bio | Archive)
    July 18, 2008 – 21:18 ET

    Toward the end of the lead story on Friday’s CBS Evening News about Barack Obama embarking on a trip to the Middle East and Europe, Jeff Greenfield acknowledged: “This saturation coverage has already led the conservative blogosphere to offer blistering critiques of a liberal media slavishly treating Obama as a pop star.” But, Greenfield assured anchor Katie Couric, who, along with Brian Williams and Charles Gibson, will accompany Obama, “the sheer presence of media in no way guarantees favorable coverage. In some ways, it makes the possibility of a misstep that much more dangerous.” That prompted a worried Couric to wonder: “What do you think is the biggest potential landmine for him?”

    When Greenfield advised that Obama “doesn’t have to equal McCain” in foreign policy expertise, “he just has to make voters seem like he’s okay, he knows what he’s talking about,” Couric chirped in: “Especially if he draws big crowds, right? That might help him as well.” Greenfield insisted: “I think the sight of an American politician being cheered in Europe at this stage would probably be welcomed by most Americans.” Couric had cheerily led her newscast:

    Good evening, everyone. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, is about to begin a major overseas tour designed to bolster his foreign policy and national security resume, and help him be seen as a credible Commander-in-Chief and potential leader of the free world…
    continue

    newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/07/18/while-hyping-obamas-trip-cbs-notes-blistering-critiques-liberal-media-c
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    How the MSM became obsolete?

  118. Greta Slams CNN, MSNBC, Matthews, Olbermann and Netroots
    By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
    July 18, 2008 – 20:33 ET

    Greta Van Susteren is quickly becoming one of Fox News’s most ardent defenders against attacks from the ultra-left.

    Writing about Netroots Nation — the gathering in Austin, Texas, of the most liberal people in America — Greta bashed her former network CNN as well as MSNBC, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and all those in attendance.

    Fasten those seatbelts tightly, for Greta, in a blog posting Friday morning, wasn’t taking prisoners (emphasis added, h/t TVNewser, photo courtesy FNC):

    The organizers of Netroots Nation – a gathering of liberal bloggers – say that Fox reporters can’t go and cover their convention unless the reporters identify themselves as “opinon media.” MS/NBC and CNN do not have to do this at this liberal bloggers convention. […]

    I know someone at CNN – and to protect that person’s job won’t identify – who said that when he/she files a story with an editor that has criticism of Senator Obama which he/she believes is factual and fair, the story criticism comes back watered down…this does not happen to the person’s filed story when the criticism is of Senator Clinton or Senator McCain. […]

    ….and while I am on the subject, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann? Netroot Nations think they have not marketed their opinions? they are not “opinion media?” Give me a break!

    You gotta love her!

    newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/07/18/greta-slams-cnn-msnbc-matthews-olbermann-netroots

  119. Here is what Greta wrote:

    What do you think? Netroots Nation Hypocrites? or am I wrong?
    by Greta Van Susteren
    The organizers of Netroots Nation – a gathering of liberal bloggers – say that Fox reporters can’t go and cover their convention unless the reporters identify themselves as “opinon media.” MS/NBC and CNN do not have to do this at this liberal bloggers convention.

    Read the article …Click here..

    I would let this one go……but I know someone at CNN – and to protect that person’s job won’t identify – who said that when he/she files a story with an editor that has criticism of Senator Obama which he/she believes is factual and fair, the story criticism comes back watered down…this does not happen to the person’s filed story when the criticism is of Senator Clinton or Senator McCain. This has never happened to me at Fox. No one has ever told me what to say or not. (And, as an aside, when I worked for Ted Turner at CNN, it never happened to me there, either.)

    ….and while I am on the subject, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann? Netroot Nations think they have not marketed their opinions? they are not “opinion media?” Give me a break!

    …frankly, I think opinion is almost inescapable …everyone has an opinion…..but journalists should strive to tell it like it is free from personal opinion. Letting a person complete a sentence is one way to help get different views presented – both in terms of opinion and fact. Fortunately viewers and readers are smart and can filter through the opinion in search of the fact. It is easier for viewers and readers to do that if there are multiple news sources or outlets and not cherry picked “friends.”

    But what bothers me is the “holier than thou” who only see fact when the opinion touted is their own! Go figure!

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/07/18/what-do-you-think-hypocrites-or-am-i-wrong/

  120. Just looks to me like the megalomaniac is going on vacation so he does not have to fact the problems at home and his taking his cheerleading team with him.

  121. Obama steers clear of Michigan Muslims he may need to win state
    HEIDI PRZYBYLA

    The recent cover New Yorker magazine may explain why Barack Obama isn’t reaching out to Michigan’s Muslims.

    The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee is shown in the Oval Office, wearing a turban and bumping fists with his wife, Michelle, who is in combat boots with a rifle slung over her shoulder. The cartoon, intended as satire, is a reminder of the dangers of any association with Muslims for Obama, who has fought false rumors that his middle name, Hussein, indicates he was born into the Islamic faith.

    Muslim- and Arab-Americans represent 4 percent of the vote in Michigan, a battleground in this year’s election. Yet Obama, who has held 13 events in the state during the presidential campaign, hasn’t visited a mosque or met with Muslim leaders.

    Bill Ballenger, editor of the nonpartisan newsletter Inside Michigan Politics, said Obama, 46, has to strike a delicate balance. The Illinois senator “doesn’t have to pander” to such voters, who are likely to back him anyway, though he can ill afford to “dismiss them in an arrogant fashion.”

    While Obama is leading in Michigan polls, some politicians said it would be a mistake for him not to actively court the state’s Muslim voters, who went for Democrat John Kerry four years ago and Republican George W. Bush in 2000.

    The Democrats “do this at their own peril,” said David Bonior, a former Michigan congressman who is advising Obama.

    Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News in Dearborn, complained that Obama’s arms-length approach demonstrates that he views Muslims as “a liability.”

    Many Muslims who once leaned Republican have been turned off by the Iraq war and the law-enforcement scrutiny of their community put in place after the Sept. 11 attacks. Nationally, only 8 percent of Muslims identify themselves as Republican, compared with 49 percent who say they are Democrats, according to the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations. In 2006, the percentage was 17 percent Republican to 42 percent Democratic.

    Thus, most experts don’t expect Republican presidential nominee John McCain to carry the Muslim vote, though they said Obama’s failure to build bridges could depress turnout or boost support for potential third-party candidate Ralph Nader, who is of Lebanese descent.

    Nader, 74, who was on the ballot in Michigan in 2004, is petitioning to do so again this year. He could hurt Obama by peeling off 25 percent of the Arab community’s vote, said Morley Winograd, former chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party.

    “You have in Ralph Nader’s candidacy a genuine Arab- American who has a lot of notoriety and publicity,” he said. It “would be detrimental to Obama’s candidacy.”

    Muslims in and around Detroit said they have been worried by several recent controversies, particularly a report last month that Obama campaign aides removed two young women wearing Muslim headscarves, called hijabs, from his camera backdrop. The candidate later called the women to apologize.

    Hassan Habhab, a 28-year-old Democrat who works at a Dearborn mall, said he supported Obama until the incident, though he hadn’t heard about the apology.

    “I don’t know if I should vote for somebody like that,” he said.

    Some of Obama’s foreign-policy stances also have raised concern. Last month, he was criticized by Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, after he told the Washington-based American Israel Public Affairs Council, the leading pro-Israel lobbying group, that Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel.

    “As long as he believes this way, I do not believe he is going to get the overwhelming support of our community,” said Siblani, who voted for Bush in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.

    In addition, many Muslims said they were offended by the Obama camp’s denials of the rumors about his roots, which they said made it appear that an Islamic identity is shameful.

    “I cringe every time I hear their response to these slanders,” Bonior said. “He should educate people to let them know the overwhelming majority of Muslims and Arab-Americans are wonderful, decent, good people.”

    On an interview on CNN’s “Larry King Live,” Obama rejected the rumors in his strongest language to date and criticized the New Yorker cover, calling them an “insult against Muslim-Americans.”

    Several Muslim and Arab leaders said they would like to meet with Obama. They said they haven’t had any direct meetings with Arizona Sen. McCain, 71, either.

    “We’re not asking for much,” said Imad Hamad, regional director for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn. “We’re asking for equal opportunity and equal time and equal respect. They’ve met with other communities, so why is the Arab-American, Muslim community out of the loop?”

    Some Muslim Obama backers said they understood their candidate’s motivation in keeping his distance.

    “There’s an Islamophobic wave,” said Ron Amen, an Obama volunteer who is also the facility manager at the Arab American National Museum in Dearborn. “I understand him making an effort to convince people that he’s not a Muslim; I don’t want to see Obama get saddled with any more baggage as a result of support from Arabs and Muslims.”

    Heidi Przybyla writes for Bloomberg News.
    seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/371348_muslimonline19.html
    *****************************************************
    Obama is such a coward, that’s why OBAMBI nickname stick to him like glue.

  122. this year is so strange. in the past, i supported candidates that never went on to win the nomination, gore in 1988 and clark in 2004, for example. i never hesitated to go with the winning nominee. never, until 2008.

    jesus h. christ, i even voted for carter, mondale and dukakis and felt i was doing the right thing. this year is so different. i have never been so disillusioned and/or frightened by the possibility of this democratic nominee actually assuming the presidency.

  123. # wbboei Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Just looks to me like the megalomaniac is going on vacation so he does not have to fact the problems at home and his taking his cheerleading team with him.
    —————-
    I like that — his cheerleaders — that’s the mentality, all right. Did you read Brian William’s letter to his mama found on the street? Silly twit. Hope it’s true.
    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/exclusive-brian-williams-writes-home/

  124. Alcina, I hear you.

    It is disorienting to reverse a lifetime of loyalties but there is such good reason to do so.

    I remember the caution that women get but that fits all: You will be treated as badly as you allow.

    If we permit this travesty to succeed, we will once again have trained our party and our politicians to ignore us and ignore character and ignore the good of the country at will. No matter the outcome, we must stand up and say NO.

  125. freckles.

    I could not agree more.

    When women won the right to vote, they did so outside there group. In fact, some of their Mother’s thought they were terrible. They fought everyone.

    They think this is about losing, but it really is how unfairly we have been treated. The terrible slights, and worse, and the idea that a candidate can win the popular vote (which this very party renounced in 2000), and we are told to sit down, shut up, and fold in.

    I no longer feel like a loyal Democrat, and they just don’t get it. I have divorced the Democratic Party, and they still think I am coming back.

    I have to ask myself, coming back to WHAT? When there is nothing in the relationship anymore, you leave, and make or join a group that you fill supported in.

  126. An Open Letter To Howard Dean from The Denver Group
    Dear Dr. Dean,

    Through the wonders of the internet The Denver Group has learned that you have reportedly discussed us in an interview today. Since the purpose of our ads has been to make our points partly to you as well as the rest of the DNC and Democrats as a whole, normally we’d be pleased to know they are getting through to you. But based on the interviewer’s characterization of your comments, we don’t think you actually know much about The Denver Group, its founders, and its goals. The interviewer writes:

    When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he [Howard Dean] scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.

    No need for you to speculate, Dr. Dean. We are happy to tell you exactly who we are, what we expect of you and the DNC, and why your comment that Senator Clinton’s name will be on the ballot is not enough. Senator Clinton’s name must be put in nomination, not just “on the ballot” and the roll call vote to be a real honest and open opportunity for superdelegates to do their job under DNC rules and select the nominee at the Convention. Just saying that Senator Clinton’s name will be on the ballot is not going to fool anyone. Being on the ballot counts for nothing if a candidate’s name is not placed in nomination. More than 18 million Democratic voters would be pleased to hear you say publicly that there will be an open convention with Senator Clinton’s name placed in nominaton and an open roll call vote.

    Since the interviewer in question does not quote you directly and certainly has never asked us about our views on any of the matters you supposedly raised in relation to our group, we are not speculating as to what you actually said or what you actually believe or know about The Denver Group and its founders, Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin. If you want to actually know and so that you have your facts right feel free to contact us.

    Sincerely,
    Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin
    for The Denver Group

  127. Heidi is a great lawyer.

    Dean, you will recall, had said her name would be placed in nomintion and then through up some diversionary comments. He tried, in essence, to play rope-a-dope.

    She calls him on it in paragraph 3. The ball is in his court to respond. If he does not respond or if he gives an evasive response the supredelegates may be interested. I doubt they would want to be party to fraud with the world watching–even though we know that did not stop the rbc.

  128. ROTF

    McCain Campaign’s Parting Gift to Obama Traveling Press Corp,
    a 17 page pamphlet detailing Waffles ever changing Iraq and Afghanistan policies and complete with the official Obama presidential seal.
    :snicker:

    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/mccain_campaigns_parting_gift.php

  129. NewMexicoFan: but it really is how unfairly we have been treated. The terrible slights, and worse, and the idea that a candidate can win the popular vote (which this very party renounced in 2000), and we are told to sit down, shut up, and fold in.

    …no longer feel like a loyal Democrat, and they just don’t get it.

    New MexicoFan: Don’t be fooled by the ‘we just don’t get it’ from Obama and the DNC. Of course they get it, that’s why they did it.
    This was well thought out in advance.

    Dean did not notice sexism because he doesn’t have cable?
    Even the media not questioning that obnoxiously silly statement is abusive to Hillary supporters.

    Why do you think Obama, Media and DNC won’t even address it, that they keep harping on the Hillary supporters being ‘hurt’, that we need to heal? Because it belittles the Hillary supporters outrage of Obama’s and Media’s behavior and puts the focus on us instead of their bad behavior.

    It is sickening and women better start standing up for themselves, starting with this campaign. Because this treatment is a reflection of what women have had to put up with forever and it will never stop.

  130. dedfg,

    And you notice how even BM is reporting on BM’s Obama bias, saying he’s getting far more coverage, all of it positive, then McCain and yet not a peep from them during HRC’s candidacy unless it was to bash her.

    It is sickening.

  131. dedfg

    I have to agree, that you would be sub intelligent to not understand the sexist behavoir going on, and Dean statement was another slap in the face. Does he actually expect us to believe that.

    My state chair told me that voting for McCain is not what Hillary would have wanted. He had a college degree, and does not understand that Hillary is ONLY a part of this But he absolutely slapped women and voters in the face here when he ignored the vote in the state, and then added insult to injure when he placed two native American Women supposedly non committed on the delegate state list here, knowing they were committed to O, To steal more Delegates for O. Then he says I hope you will help us in November.

    I WILL NOT RETURN TO THE ABUSERS, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR O IF HE IS ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, AND I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING FOR ANY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.

  132. Question about DNC process.

    If Waffles gets the nomination and he loses to McCain, does Cowie remain as DNC Chair?

    Anyone know?

    NMF,

    Good for you. Don’t let him ‘bamboozle’ you.

  133. A McCain Presidency Wouldn’t Be So Bad
    July 19, 2008
    (The New Republic) This column was written by Jonathan Chait.

    The presidential election has an oddly placid feel to it. Four years ago, the notion that George W. Bush would get another four years in office, actually ratified by a plurality of the voters, was more than any liberal could bear, and, after the election, there was loose talk everywhere about “Jesusland” and wanting to flee to Canada. This time, even though Democrats are extremely enthusiastic about Barack Obama, that life-and-death quality is absent. I think the reason is that a lot of liberals kind of like John McCain. I know I do.

    Eight years ago, I was a hard-core liberal McCainiac. Here was a Republican saying things no other Republican would say and fighting, Teddy Roosevelt-style, to wrest his party from the hands of the plutocrats who controlled it. And, in the years immediately following that run, McCain established himself as perhaps the country’s foremost progressive champion. He was an opponent, on moral and fiscal grounds, of tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefited the rich. He was also a fierce opponent of the extreme elements of the religious right. He was a proponent of global-warming legislation, the Law of the Sea Treaty, a moderate immigration bill, expanded public financing of elections, a tobacco tax, and many other liberal reforms.

    Today, he is none of these things. McCain is almost never asked about his scandalous past. On those rare occasions when he is, he either dissembles (claiming to have opposed tax cuts on the grounds that there were no concurrent spending cuts) or interrupts the questioning with an angry outburst (in response to queries about his reportedly extended discussions about joining John Kerry’s 2004 ticket). Today, McCain not only claims not to have altered his views for political convenience, he has preposterously made his alleged refusal to do so the central theme of his campaign.

    Yet, somehow, I still feel some pangs of affinity for the old codger. Where Bush is peevish, entitled, and insecure, McCain’s charming, ironic, and self-deprecating. Bush’s path to public life was trading on his father’s name to run a series of business ventures into the ground before being handed a baseball team. McCain’s was an episode of awe-inspiring perseverance.

    Yes, people put far too much stock in the candidates’ personalities. (I’d vote for an obnoxious, pampered phony who shared my beliefs over a charming war hero who didn’t.) But personality isn’t completely meaningless, either. A president sets the tone for our public discourse, and McCain is pretty easy to take. His demagoguery comes with an awkward forced smile, which doesn’t make it more forgivable but does make it less irritating.

    As for his substantive views, they do (now) closely resemble Bush’s. Yet the upside to a candidate who changes his philosophical orientation as often as McCain is that he could always switch back. While I certainly wouldn’t recommend that anybody go so far as to vote for him on that basis, it still offers some grounds for hope. The Bush presidency is like being married to a sociopath. A McCain presidency would be more like being married to a drug addict — however badly he behaves, he could always sober up.

    McCain’s most longstanding conservative principle is his aversion to wasteful spending. But this has always sprung from an aversion to waste, not a Goldwater-esque opposition to government in principle. McCain’s reformist impulses on spending are far more congenial to the progressive vision. If nothing else, his longstanding repugnance for pork-barrel spending would hold out the prospect of clearing away waste in the federal budget. McCain voted against the subsidy-bloated 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill. He nobly opposes the farm bill, one of the few issues where McCain has a sensible position and Obama does not. If McCain could actually trim some corporate welfare from the budget, it would create more fiscal and political space for the next Democratic president to spend money on necessary things like health care.

    The best aspect of a McCain presidency is that, while it would probably follow the policies of George W. Bush, it would put an end to the politics of Karl Rove. I went back and reread Michael Lewis’s 1997 New York Times Magazine profile of McCain, which gushed (persuasively) over McCain long before McCain- gushing had become a media cliché. You can see in it that, even before his first presidential campaign made him persona non grata in the GOP, McCain really was a highly bipartisan figure. The article cites McCain working unusually closely with Democrats, and quotes Democrats lavishing praise on him. He impugns his own party’s leadership as corrupt. He jokingly refers to his younger political self as a “freshman right-wing Nazi.” Conservative ideologues, as a rule, do not liken conservatism to national socialism.

    Liberals tend to view the press’s love affair with McCain as a wildly unfair act of bias. They have a point. On the other hand, they should take some heart in the fact that McCain obviously cherishes the approval of the mainstream (and even liberal) media. His accessibility to the press and public is something small-d democrats should cheer. McCain has conducted interviews with very liberal publications like Grist. He’s promised to undertake an American version of “Prime Minister’s Questions,” whereby members of Congress could spar with him.

    Does McCain spin and dissemble? Of course. But the current administration’s practices go far beyond mere spin. In Bush’s Washington, critics are enemies to be dismissed rather than engaged. A McCain presidency would promise to dismantle the whole Rovian method that has torn open such a deep wound in the national psyche.

    Beneath his wildly fluctuating ideological positions, McCain is an establishmentarian Republican. Unlike Bush, he cares about elite opinion. He is comfortable sharing power in the traditional postwar style rather than monopolizing it. He might not be another Teddy Roosevelt, but right now another Gerald Ford doesn’t look so bad.

    The idea that McCain could establish a reputation as a maverick by standing up to his party on numerous issues, win back his party’s support by abandoning nearly all his heterodoxies, then prevail by portraying himself as an unwavering man of principle is nauseating. Yet somehow the idea of a McCain presidency itself doesn’t terrify me. What can I say? Bush has lowered my standards.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/18/opinion/printable4272749.shtml

  134. Obama “Aide” pushy toward Euro hosts
    By Bob Parks Saturday, July 19, 2008

    I’ve seen this angry, loose cannon on a few talk shows and I predict she’ll be the next, at some point, to be thrown under the campaign gaffe bus. It’s just a matter of time….

    In an interview with The Daily Telegraph on the eve of Mr Obama’s week-long trip to Afghanistan, the Middle East and Europe, Susan Rice emphasised that the election of Mr Obama would mark a decision by Americans to “turn the page” on President George W Bush.

    Barack Obama has yet to receive his party’s nomination.

    But the former Rhodes Scholar, who took her Master’s degree and doctorate in international relations at New College, Oxford, made clear that an Obama administration would also challenge Europe to do more after a Democratic victory in November’s election.

    Barack Obama has yet to win the presidency.

    “It would signal a return to the more pragmatic and bi-partisan traditions of American foreign policy, which have been lost to ideology in the Bush years,” she said. “He will not proceed through an ideological frame and seek to impose that frame on every challenge.

    Some Eurpoean countries have elected leaders more center-right and are kind of on the same page as President Bush. Maybe an “Obama administration” will be out of touch with Europe…?

    “There is some truth to the notion that some of the animus at the popular level towards the Bush administration may have made it easier for some of our European partners to avoid taking steps that we may want them to take and that perhaps they ought to take,” she said.

    “That has, in some respects, perhaps on some issues, given them an easy out. Barack Obama will lead from a position of strength and seek progress, and he will want to work with Europe in very strong partnership.

    “It means we in the United States will have to do our part; but Europe will have to do its part too. There can be no free riders if this is going to be an effective partnership.”

    Obviously Ms. Rice has forgotten the European tradition of sitting out conflicts until they arrive at their doorstep.

    But this is yet another example of a campaign that’s so absorbed with it’s own biased, fawning press, that an aide (one of hundreds) believes she, on behalf of a nation she does not yet represent, dictate terms to a dozen nations prior to a campaign tour they invited themselves to.

    The audacity continues.

    canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4030

  135. Ther are trying to create for him an image that he is Presidential, and has already won, thus we can over look the fact that actually being experienced and able to run the country become unimportant.

    Heaven help the country that falls for that crap.

  136. McCain right to reach out to Latinos
    An editorial — 7/19/2008 7:16 am

    The cynical conservative commentators who have tried, with limited success, to make a nation of immigrants hate immigrants are furious with John McCain.

    The Arizona senator who Republicans will nominate for president is just not as good a hater as some of his fellow partisans demand.

    Unlike most recent Republican nominees, McCain is accepting invitations to appear before civil rights groups — most recently the NAACP — and he is delivering credible addresses that earn him responses that are at the very least respectful.

    That’s not sitting well with the divide-and-conquer commentators who seeks to police the Grand Old Party.

    McCain upset the anti-immigration crowd when he appeared last week at the convention in Washington of the League of United Latin American Citizens in Washington. And he infuriated them even more with his appearance Monday at the National Council of La Raza conference in San Diego.

    Anti-immigration zealots have for years attacked La Raza, which has historically encouraged Latinos to take pride in their heritage and which has not hesitated to challenge what the group sees as bigotry.

    In recent months, La Raza has mounted an aggressive campaign to counter the uglier excesses of the immigration debate. Its “Take the Hate Out of the Immigration Debate” campaign (www.wecanstopthehate.org) urges activists to write letters, send e-mails and otherwise confront racism that is dressed up as immigration activism.

    Conservative commentators such as Michelle Malkin are enraged that McCain would not merely appear at a La Raza event but hail the organization’s work. “The campaign justifies his appearance by framing it as a gesture of inclusiveness and outreach that is ‘part of his commitment to talking with all Americans,’ ” gripes Malkin. “Yes, they see it as an act of tolerance to legitimize the militantly open-borders, anti-immigration-enforcement, ethnic nationalists who call themselves ‘The Race.’ ”

    Malkin circulated her “Top 10 Reasons McCain Should Repudiate the National Council of La Raza” and posted pictures of anti-McCain signs on her Web site. Writing for National Review Online, commentator Victor David Hanson echoed some of those themes.

    To his credit, McCain rejected their advice.

    The senator delivered a speech that complimented La Raza, and recalled his long association with the group. “As you know, this isn’t my first address to La Raza,” the senator began. “I’m proud to have worked hard over the years with many friends here and elsewhere to make sure Americans of Hispanic heritage are appreciated for their contributions to the prosperity, security and culture of the United States, and to improve opportunities for your continued success, not for your sake alone but for the benefit of the entire nation. …

    “And to my fellow Arizonans here today, who have given me the great honor of serving you in the United States Senate, thank you from the bottom of my heart. With your votes, advice and encouragement you have helped me to be a better public servant and a better American, and I am in your debt.”

    McCain also delivered an in-your-face rebuke to presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, who accused the Republican of abandoning his commitment to responsible immigration reform.

    Obama suggested “that I turned my back on comprehensive reform out of political necessity,” said McCain. “I feel I must, as they say, correct the record.

    “At a moment of great difficulty in my campaign, when my critics said it would be political suicide for me to do so, I helped author with Senator Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform, and fought for its passage. I cast a lot of hard votes, as did the other Republicans and Democrats who joined our bipartisan effort. So did Senator Kennedy. I took my lumps for it without complaint. My campaign was written off as a lost cause. I did so not just because I believed it was the right thing to do for Hispanic Americans. It was the right thing to do for all Americans. Senator Obama declined to cast some of those tough votes. He voted for and even sponsored amendments that were intended to kill the legislation, amendments that Senator Kennedy and I voted against.

    “I never ask for any special privileges from anyone just for having done the right thing. Doing my duty to my country is its own reward. But I do ask for your trust that when I say I remain committed to fair, practical and comprehensive immigration reform, I mean it. I think I have earned that trust.”

    In truth, McCain made statements during the primary that created an opening for the criticism he’s gotten from Obama. And the Republican has accepted support from some of the nastier players in the immigration debate. So he is not exactly a perfect player. But he has more credibility on immigration issues than most of his fellow Republicans, and more than a few Democrats. And he added to that credibility by accepting the invitations from LULAC and La Raza.

    That’s what scares conservative commentators. If McCain proves that Republicans can compete for Hispanic votes, and if in so doing he succeeds in moving his party away from the anti-immigrant fringe and into the mainstream, then the immigrant-bashers will be isolated. And America might just get serious about adopting humane and responsible immigration policies.

    http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/296910
    *****************************************************
    McCain is going out to the People and working to earn their votes NOT taking their votes for granted.

    While King Obama is taking our votes for granted and sending out pronouncements through out the land of what he would do when he is President and strong arming Foreign Leaders on how they should bow down and kiss his ring and let him have what he wants…like Brandenburg Gate appearance.

  137. He talks about the Americans that go over seas, and he said look ignorant because they only know English, and then he goes to Europe like he has been elected King of the world, and acts like a true Ugly American.

    Now which is more important, to speak fluently a lot of languages, or understand how to respect international relations and deal with opposition.

    Obviously he has goals for us (He and his wife just love putting down this country), but suggest that he should have international experience, or a goal in this election he is dictates is unaccpetable.

  138. IV. WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA?

    If you are a true believer then you probably think that Barack Obama is a great leader who can solve our problems, unite the county and save the world. You believe he will end partisanship, promote cooperation and restore hope. And now he has reached out to you and your friends to assist him in that lofty endeavor. How can you say no? He is Lincoln, Kennedy and Dr. King. He is the one you have been waiting for and now at last he is here. You swoon when you see him, bask in his stentorian tones and grow faint in his presence. You will brook no criticism of him and will attack anyone who does. And if he happens to deviate at times from your cherished image you will rationalize this in your mind. The one thing you will never do is examine your Messiah in the cold light of day. For you it is as Houseman said:

    Look into the pewter pot
    And see the world as the world is not
    For faith tis pleasant til tis past
    The mischief is that will not last

    If you are a realist then you will have a slightly different take on Barack Obama. You will find yourself asking impertinent questions like: “Who is this guy? Why is he here? Who does he really represent? Why does he commit so many gaffs?” You may even wonder aloud whether he has the experience, judgment and moral courage to be president–much less to solve our problems, unite the country and save the world. Or is he merely an illusion?

    When you examine his curriculum vitae you find limited job related experience, toxic personal associations and a history in a state where the political parties work together in perfect harmony bilking taxpayers. When you look at who is backing him you find a cadre of global capitalists. And when you review his behavior on the campaign trail you discover a proclivity to play the race card, to suppress dissent, to condescend toward women, to surrender the interests of the American People to Big Business, to ignore the pressing needs of traditional Democrats, to reverse key policy positions arbitrarily, to engage in megalomaniacal behavior and to apply tactics reminiscent of the totalitarian state. Yet Big Media ignores much of this and behaves like the true believer described above. At some point, you begin to wonder whether the man was sent here to steal our democracy for some nefarious purpose.

  139. ATTENTION PUMAS IN THE SAN FRANCISCO AREA:

    Here is the link to download the petition to get CINDY SHEEHAN on the November ballot. The number of signatures required from registered voters by AUGUST 8TH is 10,198. They have 6,593 so far. Let me remind you that Cindy is running as an Independent AGAINST NANCY PELOSI. Let’s help Cindy get her name on that ballot!

    http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

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