Three Fake Boobs

Our series of articles (right hand side column) entitled Voting For Barack Obama have two key premises about Barack Obama.

The first premise is that Hillary Clinton supporters care about the issues. Hillary supporters want to move the country in the right direction. Obama supporters are not interested in the issues, they merely pretend that they are. If Obama supporters and superdelegates really cared about the issues they would vote for Hillary. That simple fact becomes clearer with every flip-flop-flim-flam that Obama perpetrates on his witless supporters.

The second premise is the one we sensed early on but every day gets more and more obvious (except to the willfully witless):

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Many Obama supporters are merely bamboozled. Some Obama supporters however are faking it.

The first fake boob: Kate Michelman.

This fake boob pretends to be a feminist leader who cares about issues important to women.

Kate Michelman is a former president of the pro-choice group NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League). Michelman endorsed John Edwards early on then endorsed Obama when John Edwards quit. NARAL too ignored Hillary Clinton’s long history of championing women’s rights and in a Oprahesque moment endorsed Obama. No self-respecting woman should ever again support NARAL or Michelman. They pretend to care about women’s issues but they are faking it.

Today, this fake boob, Kate Michelman, has the temerity to speak on behalf of Hillary Clinton supporters. Here is what the boob has to say:

The Democrats’ troubles with so-called values voters raise concern. But even more worrisome is a wildfire of women’s anger over the sexism faced by Hillary Clinton in the primaries. The discontent is largely focused on the media, but also on what is seen as the Democratic Party’s lack of a vigorous public rejection of that sexism. It goes deeper than one candidacy, and has its roots in a more quiet anger that politically engaged Democratic women have felt about the party’s taking women for granted for many years.

Suddenly, almost unexpectedly, with many Democratic women restless and anxious, the concerns of women are once again important. So far the party’s strategy in dealing with disaffected Clinton supporters, in particular, involves focusing on women’s understandable fears that a John McCain administration would limit abortion rights and even overturn Roe v. Wade, and promising that Democrats will clearly do better. [snip]

As two strong feminist Obama supporters, we know women are well aware that Democratic policies, as well as Democratic leaders, are far less sexist and far more likely to empower women than the policies and leaders of the GOP. For those reasons, we believe, even the most frustrated Hillary Clinton supporters will come around. But telling women that the Democrats’ commitment to abortion rights is what should drive their vote, while simultaneously suggesting, as Wallis and his allies do, that given the choice, having a baby is a more moral choice than abortion, will be understood for what it is: condescending and sexist. It is likely to stoke, not slake, the flames of anger, since women are well aware of the moral dimensions of pregnancy; they were not a novel discovery made circa 2004.

Kate Michelman never said a word about sexism during the 2008 primaries. Kate Michelman now fakes her concern about sexism. Kate Michelman first supported John Edwards (the joke was John Edwards would be the first woman president) Kate Michelman wants to wave the red flag of abortion to goad Hillary supporters into amnesia and a vote for the unqualifed untrustwrothy Obama. After Edwards, Kate Michelman supported Obama. Kate Michelman never supported Hillary. Now Kate Michelman presumes to speak for Hillary supporters.

Kate Michelman is a fake. Kate Michelman is a boob. Kate Michelman does not speak for Hillary supporters.

The second fake boob: Tom Hayden.

How far the “New Left” has fallen. Here is the egghead left in full boobery:

Call him slippery or nuanced, Barack Obama’s core position on Iraq has always been more ambiguous than audacious. Now it is catching up with him, as his latest remarks are questioned by the Republicans, the mainstream media and the antiwar movement. He could put his candidacy at risk if his audacity continues to shrivel.

I first endorsed Obama because of the nature of the movement supporting him, not his particular stands on issues. The excitement among African-Americans and young people, the audacity of their hope, still holds the promise of a new era of social activism. The force of their rising expectations, I believe, could pressure a President Obama in a progressive direction and also energize a new wave of social movements. And of course, there is the need to end the Republican reign that began with a stolen election followed by eight years of war and torture, corporate gouging, environmental decay, domestic spying and right-wing court appointments, just in case we forget whom Obama is running against.

Besides the transforming nature of an African-American President, the issue that matters most to me is achieving a peaceful settlement of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan–and preventing American escalations in Iran and Latin America. From the beginning, Obama’s symbolic 2002 position on Iraq has been very promising, reinforced again and again by his campaign pledge to “end the war” in 2009. [snip]

The most shocking aspect of Samantha Powers’s forced resignation earlier this year was not that she called Hillary Clinton a “monster” off-camera but that she flatly stated that Obama would review his whole position on Iraq once becoming President. Again, no one in the media or rival campaigns questioned whether this assertion by Powers was true. Since Obama credited Powers with helping for months in writing his book The Audacity of Hope, her comments on his inner thinking should have been pounced upon by the pundits.

Finally, it has taken the pressure of the general election to raise questions about whether his parsed and lawyerly language is empty of credible meaning. [snip]

What is clear is that Obama is responsive to pressures from the grassroots base of a party that is overwhelmingly in favor of a shorter timetable for withdrawal than his and favoring diplomatic rather than military solutions in Afghanistan and Pakistan. At a time when public interest in the war is receding before economic concerns, it is time for the strongest possible reassertion of voter demands for peace. [snip]

Grassroots people power is the only force that can keep alive the astute sense of pragmatism that led Obama to criticize the coming war in 2002. The stakes are higher now, and the enemies far more shrewd, wishing to rip asunder the Obama coalition. The peace movement assumption should be that there is no one in Obama’s inner circle of advisers to be counted on, no mainstream columnist to catch his eye with a persuasive column favoring withdrawal. They never have. Only the voice of the peace voters–and the countless activists who have volunteered on his behalf–can command his attention now.

Tom Hayden is a fake boob. Hayden admits that his support of Obama is “not his particular stands on issues“. For Hayden what is important is that others are supporting Obama. Hayden’s buffoonery, to quote Hayden, “is catching up with him” now that Obama is showing his true colors. Speaking of color, Hayden also admits that he supports Obama because Obama is black and that a black president is somehow “transforming”. We immediately think of Clarence Thomas when that argument is made.

Hayden, after announcing that Obama’s position on the issues is not what prompted his support of Obama then declares it is in fact the war issue that motivated him to support Obama. Hayden then shows us that his own lack of concern about issues carries over to a lack of concern about facts.

Hayden writes about Samantha Powers that no one in the media or rival campaigns questioned whether this assertion by Powers was true. No Tom, you and the egghead left played possum. Hillary supporters spoke out about the Obama flip-flop-flim-flam announced via Samantha Powers. This is what Hillary said at the time, when Tom Hayden and the egghead left were building temples to Obama:

“I want to say a few words to start about something that one of Sen. Obama’s top foreign policy aides told the BBC recently about Iraq. Sen. Obama has made his speech opposing Iraq in 2002 and the war in Iraq is the core of his campaign, which makes these comments especially troubling. While Sen. Obama campaigns on his plan to end the war, his top advisors tell people abroad that he will not rely on his own plan, should he become president.

“This is the latest example of promising the American people one thing on the campaign trail and telling people in other countries another. We saw this with NAFTA as well. He’s attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date and now we learned that he doesn’t have one. In fact, he doesn’t have a plan at all, according to his top foreign-policy advisor. If he keeps telling people one thing while his campaign tells people abroad something else, I’m not sure what the American people should believe.”

Hillary made the same point to Politico:

Well I think sen. Obama did the right thing, but I think it’s important to look at what she and his other advisors say behind closed doors, particularly when they’re talking to foreign governments and foreign press. It raises disturbing questions about what the real planning and policy positions inside the Obama campaign happen to be.

The egghead left and Tom Hayden kept quiet. Big Pink, cared about the issues and spoke out just like Hillary Clinton did. We posted the Powers video. It was Tom Hayden and the egghead left, now pretending to care about the issues, that stayed silent. They are still mostly silent. Back then we pointed out some additional Obama/Powers frauds:

Samantha Power was the author of the clumsy “attack Pakistan” memo which Obama delivered and resulted in riots in Pakistan. Comedy Central giggled over the incompetence of the Obama/Power play. At the time, we wrote extensively not only of Obama’s mess of a foreign policy speech, but also of Obama’s lies about his foreign policy speech. Obama lied then called those that were telling the truth – liars. Obama is a fraud through and through.

The egghead Left, the Big Blogs, the PINOs, Big Media have all enabled Obama to lie and lie. Now Tom Hayden wants his brother and sister boobs to somehow “pressure” Obama.

Tom Hayden is a boob. Tom Hayden is a fake.

The third fake boob: Donna Brazille.

This past weekend in the comments section the discussion frequently focused on an article Donna Brazile wrote immediately after John Kerry (another fake boob) was declared the loser. Tapping into the “Obama” factor by Donna Brazile written on November 5, 2004 was really the first Obama for President endorsement. Donna of course appeared on CNN this entire primary season pretending to be a “neutral”. Donna wrote this comic paragraph which demonstrates her hypocrisy, her fakeness, and her boobery:

When one of my sisters—who, coincidentally, is a recovering Republican—was told in church that she would go to hell if she voted for Sen. Kerry, she stood up and denounced the preacher’s message. Oh yeah, the religious right, armed with new recruits from the black pulpits, came after African-Americans with the same angry messages. But, as my niece confirmed in a phone conversation this week, they all voted for John Kerry anyway. Even my sister, the once-proud Republican, is now ashamed of what happened inside those churches.

Donna Brazile’s “recovering Republican” sister stood up in her church, in the South, and denounced her preacher’s message. Donna of course defended Obama’s silence of 20 years in Jeremiah Wright’s “God Damn America” church.

More Donna Brazile fakeness and buffoonery:

Robert Reich is absolutely right: Democrats can and must remain firmly rooted in the ideals of social justice. As one of my friends in Oregon reminded me in an early morning e-mail, this is not just about the Democratic Party. It’s about the democratic rights of all Americans.

Donna was the lead disenfranchiser of Florida and Michigan voters. Under Donna’s leadership delegates elected by voters to support Hillary in Michigan and delegates elected by voters to support “uncommitted” were (like the Bush selecting Supreme Court) selected for Obama in back rooms contrary to what the voters voted. For fake boob Donna, the “democratic rights of all Americans” is a fake concern.

Donna also wrote this bit of fake boobery:

In this coming season, Democrats must resist going back to using terms like affirmative action, pro choice, union, and “the movement” to describe what we’re for. These words are limited and often open to negative interpretation from the right. But once we agree on a shared vision to connect our progressive social values of faith, family, hard work, loyalty, opportunity, security, and prosperity for all, we will soar again.

As Obama’s fake “movement” sells out every “progressive social value” and insults small town America as “bitter” and clingy Donna has been silent.

Donna Brazile is a boob. Donna Brazile is a fake.

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The above are just three of many fake boobs. They support the unqualified and unelectable and not trustworthy Barack Obama. They are already under the Obama bus but are too stupid to know it.

What little remains of the honest Democratic Left is aware Obama has sold them out. Most likely they too will remain silent. They will join the fake boobs under the bus too unless they reject Obama and fight against him NOW.

What the honest but cowardly Democratic Left is discovering is that

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

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215 thoughts on “Three Fake Boobs

  1. Interesting article. Power is the root of all evil. They fear the Clinton power, but don’t even understand the monster of Power they have created.

  2. Lindax posted this earlier. It echos what we have written earlier (see these articles: http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=666 and http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=662 )

    From Wall Street Journal Today:

    Obama Faces Resistance From
    Top Supporters of Clinton
    By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER and CHRISTOPHER COOPER
    July 7, 2008; Page A1

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121539354782631403.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, faces dissent from dozens of top fund-raisers and other supporters of former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, who are angry over how she was treated during their bruising primary battle and are hesitating to back Sen. Obama.

    …Meanwhile, an analysis of campaign-finance records conducted for The Wall Street Journal by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics shows that in May, when Sen. Obama was widely believed to have clinched the Democratic nomination, only one Hillraiser had switched allegiance to the Obama campaign. And while 115 individuals who had donated at least $1,000 to Sen. Clinton made their first donations to Sen. Obama, another 115 former Clinton backers made their first big donations to Sen. McCain.

    The McCain campaign is pressing its case with former Clinton donors. Roughly two dozen big Clinton backers are looking to meet soon with Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard Co. chief executive who is avidly supporting Sen. McCain. The idea, said one person familiar with the campaign’s plans, is to pluck disaffected independents, and especially women, from the ranks of former Clinton supporters. A similar meeting occurred last month in Ohio between Ms. Fiorina and Clinton supporters, the McCain campaign said.

    …Even so, it is threatening his support among liberal Democrats, many of whom make up his small-donor base.

  3. Kate ignores the $6K differencial in Pay to women on the O Staff. I guess they don’t need the money.

    Tom, is a case of following power.

    Donna, we all know she wants power.

    Of course there are more out there.

  4. Admin: Thank you so much for the article. I always learn so much from the information that you have gathered.

  5. Great Post Admin. LMAO on the boob shoot-out and calling them them out for the frauds they are.

    NARAL major dissappointment!

  6. Mariaconz

    Yes, this has recently been brought out. He literally came to Albuqueruqe, NM and criticize McCain for unequal pay, and when an analysis was done, they found McCain’s salaries for women more equal than O. Now how comparable the work was, I cannot vouch for. But what I can say is they would have to prove to me that they were not comparable.

    I think there are article on this on earlier blogs. You people out ther who are skilled in finding these, could you please repost the links?

    Thank you.

  7. I could respect the Democratic? Taliban Party and Team Obama more if they weren’t soooooooo predictable. Like trying to beat women over their head with Roe vs Wade and the Supreme Court like this is the ONLY Women Right issues and our sole responsibility endeavors.

    BUT after what the DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party allowed, did and condon this election season with SEXISM and MYSOGINY, I think it’s time to evaluate those WOMEN and WOMEN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS that SOLD OUT their duty to protect all women from the abuse of BLATANT SEXISM AND MYSOGINY.

    Women should NEVER trust WEAK LEADERSHIP from those put in authority and position to STAND and FIGHT. Those LEADERS should be held RESPONSIBLE and ACCOUNTABLE for their DERELICTION of duty. Because if we WOMEN keep remaining SILENT and not hold these BOOBS feet to the fire, we will NEVER reach our goals and desires in this LONG struggle that WOMEN have been fighting for since the begining of our nation.

  8. This is simply a case of affirmative action from guilty whites and AA’s who believe they are entitled to this. From Clyburn to Brazele, the bait was set, and Hillary was their catch. Sadly, unless McCain, gets his act together fast, we will watch with broken hearts as BO and his supporters flaunt their arrognace even more when/if he is elected.

  9. HUFFPO’s LEFTIES FEELING LEFT OUT TO DRY ON FISA:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag

    has a few links in the past few days re FISA:

    The most recent one is as follows:

    Obama, FISA and the Netroots
    stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust

    Posted July 7, 2008 | 01:35 AM (EST)

    The current dust-up in the Obama camp over this week’s FISA vote may have real consequences for the rest of this campaign. As you may know, the largest “group” on the Obama campaign’s social networking site, MyBarackObama.com, is now a group assembled to protest Senator Obama’s reversal of his promise to filibuster against the FISA legislation up next week. Reading through the blogoshpere, many commenters appear baffled at the intensity of the passions involved, and criticize the protestors for making such a fuss over “just one issue.” But there are good reasons why core activists have taken a strong stand, and why the campaign may look different after this is over.

    For many Obama activists, a key issue that propelled them into campaign activism is dismantling the unconstitutional legal measures the Bush administration put in place in the aftermath of 9/11. The prison at Guantánamo, the secret CIA prisons scattered around the globe, the torture of prisoners, and the kangaroo courts set up to process them are the foreign pieces of this puzzle. Warrantless eavesdropping on Americans is the domestic piece. While understanding all the ins and outs of the FISA legislation requires a specialist’s knowledge, the core issue is simple: are we working to return the country to the rule of constitutional law or not? (Click here for an excellent analysis of Obama’s FISA statement by a specialist.)

    Obama made two arguments in his reply to the protestors. First, he argued that though the bill is “far better than the Protect America Act” which the Bush administration pushed through Congress last year. This argument is not only meaningless but downright misleading, for the Protect America Act was written to expire. If no new legislation is passed, we revert back to the pre-Bush, pre-9/11 version of the legal structure of state surveillance of Americans, not the Bush version. The question is not whether the new legislation is better than Bush’s, but whether it is better than what the country lived under from 1978 until Bush. It is one thing for Obama to be vague about the particulars of his policies, as he was throughout the primaries. But it is a different thing altogether to make misleading statements about key issues.

    So we are left with Obama’s second argument, and this one has actual substance:

    The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I’m persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe — particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I’ve chosen to support the current compromise.

    The “important surveillance tool” he is referring to is warrantless wiretapping. Here Obama unequivocally sides with the argument the Bush administration justice department has been making for years: that in the context of the “war on terror,” some constitutional rights must be suspended or at least sidestepped, and key among them is warrantless state surveillance. That is a BIG DEAL.

    There are more ways in which this issue stands out among others. Obama’s promise to withdraw American troops from Iraq in 18 months is highly provisional and will be subject to many reality tests along the way. His program for global warming will be a major undertaking to put in place, and will surely show many signs of wear when and if it is enacted. The FISA issue is a completely different deal: this is pending legislation that will be voted on next week. It is very much still a fight. There are senators set to oppose the bill, by filibuster if necessary.

    Obama had promised to be one of them. On October 24, 2007, campaign spokesman
    Bill Burton announced,

    “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”

    The position was elaborated in another statement December 17, 2007:

    “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies and has cosponsored Senator Dodd’s efforts to remove that provision from the FISA bill. Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections Americans trust the Congress to protect. Senator Obama supports a filibuster of this bill, and strongly urges others to do the same.”

    What Obama has done here is not a “refinement” of a policy position like he recently suggested concerning Iraq. It is an about face. Imagine how different next week would play out if the presumptive Democratic nominee was joining a filibuster on the floor of the senate, standing up for the constitutional rights of all Americans. The contrast between what would happen if Obama followed through on his promise, and what will happen if he doesn’t, is night and day. (See this complete timeline of Obama’s statements on the bill.)

    Here is another level on which this whole thing stinks. It is one thing for a presumptive nominee to adjust policy positions to reach out to constituencies he wants to bring in to his coalition which were not part of his primary victory. We have seen Obama do that with evangelicals, for example. Warrantless wiretapping has no constituency. There is no sector of the American population that just might jump off the fence and get behind Obama if he only agrees to give telecommunications corporations retroactive immunity for illegally collaborating with the Bush administration’s spying. He is not courting votes here. Either he is caving in to pressure from the giant telecom corporations, or he has really bought into the idea that American actually needs warrantless wiretapping. Either option is equally unpalatable to many activists.

    Finally, here is yet another angle. Throughout the primaries, one of the big criticisms of Obama was that when it came to votes, he backed off. Thus all those “present” votes in Illinois. But the campaign came up with what seemed like a plausible explanation for all that, and many Obama supporters decided he deserved a pass on that. Well, here we are, the first big vote Obama faces on the national and international stage, and guess what? He is backing off. Not good.

    Yet there has been very little talk among the MyBO protestors of not voting for Obama. What there has been is a pronounced change of tone, which may hold real implications for the rest of the campaign. Obama rode to the nomination in large part on the backs of… well, of people like me.

    I always vote Democratic, and I always vote. All my life I have voted for a long string of mediocre Democratic candidates, but I have almost never volunteered for or sent money to a presidential campaign. I am politically active, but on local issues where I feel I can have a real impact, or on international issues that I feel are of global importance. The realm of presidential politics is another world to me: donors who can bring in millions, TV ads which I never see since I don’t own a TV, and candidates loaded down with corporate backers with set agendas.

    Obama changed that for me. I sent him money. I phone banked. I held street signs. I don’t know if I am going to continue with all that. I will vote for Obama of course. I will continue to urge everyone I know to vote for him. But my money and time, paltry though they may be, will likely get redirected to candidates who are willing to stand up for issues I care about. And because of the Internet, I know that there are a lot of other Obama supporters in the same boat; a lot of people considering cutting off their string of small donations to the campaign.

    All of this is coming at a time in which Obama’s schedule is filled with big-money fundraisers where people can buy face time with the man for $30k. Put all these things together, and one cannot help but wonder if there is a turning point, that from here on out the campaign is will be less of a grassroots affair. This is not the death knell of the campaign. Far from it. I think Obama can do very well against McCain with a traditional, top down, big money campaign. I think he will be sworn in as our next president in January. But it will be a different campaign than what it has been until now. As one commenter to my blog so aptly said, “Senator Obama, you can tap my phone or my wallet, but not both.”

  10. Also from Ostertag on HuffandPuff (from 7/5), which includes a couple of nice zingers from Obamaphiliacs who feel betrayed:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/obama-tries-and-fails-to_b_110951.html

    FISA Fire in His Own House
    Posted July 5, 2008 | 01:27 AM (EST)

    In an unprecedented attempt to put out a fire in his own house, Senator Barack Obama yesterday issued a response to supporters who had been protesting his position on government surveillance. The release was followed by an 90 minute interchange on MyBarackObama.com between campaign officials and supporters (though as far as I could tell, the campaign officials made no comments themselves but just read the comments being made, leaving it unclear who was actually reading and for how long)..

    Unfortunately, there was nothing in Obama’s response that addressed the harsh criticism some of his supporters have voiced. I could go into detail on why the statement stinks, but since this is the Internet I don’t have to, since I can instead direct you to the excellent point-by-point analysis offered by Glenn Greenwald. My focus here will be the novel political dynamic unleashed by the Obama campaign’s social networking site, MyBarackObama.com.

    These are uncharted waters we are dealing with here. Yesterday I asked the question whether 18,000 people protesting on the campaign’s own web site (out of hundreds of thousands) were a lot or a little. Apparently they were enough to get the attention of the campaign and the candidate.

    The comments were a mix of people who were star-struck that Obama had noticed them and written a reply, people who felt any criticism on the site was inappropriate, people who just spouted typical Internet invective at each other, but then an awful lot of extremely informed and thoughtful people who did not back down an inch.

    Some defending Obama’s position questioned whether the protestors were really from the Obama camp or were Republicans who had logged on to wreak havoc. However, since MyBarackObama.com is a full-fledged social networking site, one can check the profile of each commenter, see how long they have been active on the site, what action groups they are part of, and so on. It appeared that many angry critics were people who had put a lot of time and money into the campaign.

    The whole episode raised more questions than it answered. Certainly what is going on here is something new. There are going to be many more controversial issues. A presidential candidate can’t always be having to log on to the Internet to defend himself from his own supporters. I am reminded The Obama campaign promised to give its supporters new Internet tools to empower them to make the campaign their own. Now that it as done so, the leadership has to be wondering if it was a good idea. of the musicians who have figured out how to make modest livelihoods marketing their music directly to fans over MySpace, only to discover that doing requires spending hours every day maintaining the sort of direct relationship fans on social networking sites expect.

    On the other hand, overall this has to be considered a victory for, and an extension of, democracy. This is a clear-cut case of a candidate promising one thing and doing another. Turns out that in the age of the online campaign there will be a higher price for this time-honored activity.

    The folks at Obama HQ better tighten their saddle. They have let the horse out of the barn, and it might be a bumpy ride.

    * Some sample comments:

    Frankly, I’m disappointed. No, Senator Barack, it’s not a “deal breaker”. But even using these words is almost like taunting your position in our face. Almost like you are taking our votes for granted because you know we have not choice but to vote for you. No, I don’t want McCain, but I can say with clarity that my personal enthusiasm, and many of others who I talk to, have certainly diminished by a huge margin.

    At the end of the day, the question is, do you want your supporters to vote for you because you are the lesser of the two evils, because they have “no choice” when comparing the alternative (as you say yourself) or do you want people to vote for you because they are proud of what you stand for?

    – Christine

    Christine, I, too, did not like that “deal breaker” line. I felt like it was dismissive, especially when he has been trying soo hard to get the gun advocates, the evangelicals, the death penalty advocates…It’s like, ok, get lost. I got plenty more voters and money!! What has happened to him???

    – JonnieRae

  11. McKinney Poised to Challenge Obama For Left-Wing and Black Voters
    by Vivian Berryhill Page 1 of 1 page(s)
    http://www.opednews.com

    As Senator Barack Obama continues pivoting away from those primary-election positions and promises that once galvanized his Democratic base, he may have a new worry looming on the horizon in the person of Cynthia McKinney. A former Georgia Congresswoman, McKinney is said to be a shoo-in as the Green Party’s 2008 presidential nominee when their convention is held in Chicago, July 10-12.

    Securing the Green Party’s 2008 standard-bearer position would bestow on McKinney the historic title of ‘first’ African American woman to be on the ballot as a viable candidate of a major party for President of the United States. That title alone will not only lessen the aura surrounding Barack Obama’s position as the ‘first’ African American male presidential nominee, but she may also siphon off just-enough left-wing, African American, and women voters, to sink both their chances for victory in the Fall.

    Obama, in his quest to appeal to Reagan Republicans and Independents, is gravitating toward a more ‘centrist’ position of late, which is causing serious ire among many of his followers, and those who supported and believed in his pre-General election message. And McKinney, being the shrewed politician she has always been, is set to capitalize on the Obama backlash. Recently issuing the following statement, McKinney’s camp unashamedly challenges progressives/liberals who are disappointed in Obama:

    “There can be no effective reasoning with those African Americans who want only that a member of ‘The Race’ occupy the Oval Office – no matter the character and politics of that Black individual. But self-described progressives of all races cannot excuse their own docility in the face of Obama’s rightward lunge – especially when there exists one last opportunity to threaten the Democratic nominee-to-be with a backlash against his betrayals of progressive principles – one last chance to affect Obama’s behavior before Election Day, November 4, and beyond. Cynthia McKinney.

    It’s time for people claiming to be progressives who supported Obama, to accept that they were bamboozled by a champion slickster. Actually, that’s putting the best face on the situation, since most of Obama’s progressive credentials were simply wished into existence by folks who were tired of even pretending to fight. Obama now dares to drop all pretense of progressivism, trusting that there will be no ramifications on the Left, especially among the otherwise most dependable progressive constituency, African Americans”.

    It appears that, barring any unforeseen political calamity, McKinney should lock-down the Green Party nomination this week. No doubt she will immediately begin calling attention to and “disrobing” Obama’s about-face on those core left-wing issues… in addition to aggressively courting the disgruntled Obama-primary-voters who voice their discontent of the presumptive Democratic nominee (daily and by the thousands) where it counts most: Bloggersville.

    Will Obama be forced to scoot-back to the left and keep his base, as Arianna Huffington recommended recently on the Huffington Post site? Or will he continue down the path of appealing to the right… and land somewhere in the center before November? He needs to make that decision sooner rather than later (and perhaps before he casts his controversial FISA vote] as Cynthia McKinney––whose ‘say anything’ political attacks by-the-way, will make Obama wish for the days when Hillary Clinton was his competitor.

    Keep an eye on McKinney. She is poised to challenge Obama for a share of his voters, and… will indeed give him a run for his money!
    *****************************************************
    Obama reminds me of someone who run his campaign like in Europe. He doesn’t get the American voter and their free will and individualism. It’s like so now I’m the Democratic? nominee so bow down and worship me and make me king.

  12. The above Ostertag post from 7/5 points to the Glen Greenwald link, which goes into some real depth about the FISA flip:

    utdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/07/obamas-new-statement-on-fisa.html

    About Me
    Name: Glenn Greenwald

    I was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator and am now a Contributing Writer at Salon. I am the author of three books — “How Would a Patriot Act” (a critique of Bush executive power theories), “Tragic Legacy” (documenting the Bush legacy), and “Great American Hypocrites” (examining the GOP’s electoral tactics and the role the media plays in aiding them).

    &&&&&
    Obama’s new statement on FISA
    Thursday, July 03, 2008
    Barack Obama has issued a new statement on FISA in response to the growing number of his supporters objecting to his position. Genuine credit to him for being responsive this way and for having his site be a forum for disagreement among his supporters and himself. Providing a forum for those sorts of debates is a sign of a secure and healthy campaign.

    Despite that, the statement contains many dubious claims and, in a couple cases, outright misleading statements. Worse, Obama’s statement only addressed the objections to the telecom immunity provisions of the bill, while ignoring the objections to the (at least) equally pernicious new warrantless eavesdropping powers the bill authorizes. Taking Obama’s claims in order:

    It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush administration’s program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That’s why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

    Obama says he will vote to remove immunity from the bill, but he knows full well that this effort will fail and that the final bill will have telecom immunity in it. The bottom line is that he will nonetheless end up voting for this bill with immunity in it even though he previously vowed to support a filibuster of “any bill” that contains retroactive immunity. Put another way, Obama claims he opposes telecom immunity but will vote for a bill that grants it.

    But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year.

    Whether it’s better than the Protect America Act (PAA) is irrelevant. The PAA already expired last February. If the new FISA bill is rejected, we don’t revert back to the Protect America Act. We just continue to live under the same FISA law that we’ve lived under for 30 years (with numerous post-9/11 modernizing amendments). So whether this bill is a mild improvement over the atrocious, expired PAA is not even a coherent reason to support it, let alone a persuasive one.

    The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court.

    The current FISA law — as a federal court ruled just yesterday — already has the same exclusivity provision, and it did nothing to stop the President and the telecoms from breaking the law anyway. The fact that Obama is now going to vote to end the telecom lawsuits and immunize the lawbreakers means that there will be no consequences for their having broken the law. How can Obama possibly claim that the “exclusivity” provision in the new FISA bill has value when the current law that they broke already has the same provision?

    As I wrote today:

    They’re presenting as a “gift” something you already have, and telling you that you should give up critical protections in exchange for receiving something that you already have — namely, a requirement that the President comply with eavesdropping laws. What they’re doing is tantamount to someone who steals your wallet, takes all the money out, gives the empty wallet back to you, and then tells you that you should be grateful to them because you have your wallet.

    Exclusivity is obviously no reason to change the current FISA law since it already has exclusivity in it. Obama:

    In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people.

    The government already has “the authority to collect the intelligence it needs to protect the American people.” That authority is called FISA, which already allows the Government extremely broad authority to spy on any suspected terrorists. The current law results in virtually no denials of any spying requests. So how can Obama — echoing the Bush administration — claim a new law is needed to provide “the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people” when the current FISA law already provides that?

    But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I’ve said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility.

    This is just false. The new FISA bill that Obama supports vests new categories of warrantless eavesdropping powers in the President (.pdf), and allows the Government, for the first time, to tap physically into U.S. telecommunications networks inside our country with no individual warrant requirement. To claim that this new bill creates “an independent monitor [to] watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people” is truly misleading, since the new FISA bill actually does the opposite — it frees the Government from exactly that monitoring in all sorts of broad categories.

    Why else would Bush and Cheney be so eager to have this bill if it didn’t substantially expand the Government’s ability to eavesdrop without warrants?

    The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation (PDF) uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

    Having the Executive Branch investigate itself for alleged lawbreaking is not “oversight.” In our system of Government, government officials and corporations which are accused of breaking the law are subjected to courts of law — just like everyone else — not to “investigations” by agencies within their own branches of government with very limited powers. Marcy Wheeler has more on the extremely limited capacity of Inspectors General to investigate lawbreaking at high levels of government.

    The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I’m persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe — particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I’ve chosen to support the current compromise.

    This is the most misleading part of Obama’s statement. The “certain surveillance orders [which] will begin to expire later this summer” — that Obama claims we must maintain — are warrantless eavesdropping orders that were authorized by the PAA, which Obama voted against last August. As I asked the other day:

    Had Obama had his way, there never would have been any PAA in the first place, and therefore, there never would have been any PAA orders possible. Having voted against the PAA last August, how can Obama now claim that he considers it important that the PAA orders not expire? How can he be eager to avoid the expiration of surveillance orders which he opposed authorizing in the first place?

    Moreover, the Government already has “the ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States” under the current FISA law. Citing the need for such monitoring in order to justify this new FISA bill is just pure fear-mongering (“you better let us eliminate FISA protections if you want us to keep you safe from the Terrorists”). Obama has always said in the past that “the FISA court works.” When did he change his mind and why?

    I do so with the firm intention — once I’m sworn in as president — to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

    This expression of Obama’s “intention” has so many equivocations and vague claims as to be worthless. In a society that lives under the rule of law, government officials and corporations which break our laws are held accountable by courts of law, not by vague promises from politicians of some future “review” and “recommendation” process grounded in claims that we can trust the Leader to do the right thing, whatever he decides in his sole discretion and infinite wisdom that might be. That is no consolation for blocking courts from adjudicating whether laws were broken here, which is what the bill that Obama supports will do.

    posted by Glenn Greenwald

  13. Obama NEVER promised anything but HOPE and CHANGE and he has delievered the CHANGE and the American People has LOST the HOPE.

  14. Due to the cut/past, the useful formatting in Greenwald’s post (he used italicized fonts for Obama’s quotes) was lost, so going to the link might be easier to read.

  15. It’s like, ok, get lost. I got plenty more voters and money!! What has happened to him???

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

    Looks like the emperors naughty bits are showing. 😉

  16. McKinney Joins Forces With Sheehan
    to Unseat Pelosi
    By Luke Thomas

    June 23, 2008

    Two’s company. Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney announced today she has joined the campaign to elect Cindy Sheehan to Congress.

    Citing Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s record on “hope-reversing” policies, McKinney will serve as Sheehan’s Honorary Co-Chair in Sheehan’s bid to “oust” Pelosi from office.

    “Nancy Pelosi needs to phone home,” McKinney said, “because it’s clear that she’s forgotten the values of the people of California who sent her to Congress.”

    The announcement comes at a particularly difficult time for Pelosi whose job approval rating has steadily declined since vowing “to take back America” in 2006. According to a recent Harris poll conducted between June 4 and June 8, Pelosi’s job approval rating has fallen to an all-time low of just 24 percent positive and 57 percent negative.

    “The point was to change Washington, but instead Washington changed Nancy Pelosi,” McKinney said.

    McKinney, who is seeking the Green Party nomination for President, left the Democratic Party in March 2007 after the new Democrat-controlled Congress elected in November 2006 failed to repeal the Patriot Act and to investigate the Pentagon’s mysterious loss of $2.3 trillion in fiscal-year 1999, a cause McKinney championed while serving on the U.S. House Committee on Armed Services.

    McKinney first publicly endorsed Sheehan’s bid for Congress in 2007. According to McKinney, “Cindy’s campaign is increasingly important today as the only way left to put peace, impeachment, and our values back on the table.”

    “Cindy continues to show us the power of one, the power that is within every one of us. Moreover, Cindy Sheehan can win,” McKinney added.

    Sheehan, who launched her bid to unseat Pelosi in December, said of McKinney’s decision to join her campaign: “Having Cynthia on board is a significant gain for my campaign. She has experience in tough campaigns and brings a wealth of knowledge. I am running to win. We have already raised close to $200,000 and everyday we get more and more support as people get more fed up with Pelosi’s mis-leadership.”

    http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2008/06/23/mckinney-joins-forces-with-sheehan-to-unseat-pelosi/

  17. Sorry if anyone’s finding this repetitious, but there’s more goodies to be discovered among Ostertag’s recent comments, this one from 7/2. It’s all the more delectable because it’s the Obamabots that are ripping into their Beloved Leader (see the comments at the end). Plus, Mr. DKos is honest enough to say that the “little people” in the Obama movement will not be heard by Obama. Here’s the link:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/reality-time-at-mybaracko_b_110553.html

    and what follows is like 70% of the text:

    Reality Time at MyBarackObama.com
    Posted July 2, 2008

    It’s reality time at MyBarackObama.com. The latent tension between a conventional top-down presidential campaign and the bottom-up social-networking Internet operation it launched has burst into the open in the form of a grassroots insurrection against Senator Obama’s decision to support legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants.

    The Obama campaign, by far the most Internet-savvy presidential campaign thus far, operates several web sites. BarackObama.com is a straight-forward campaign site, where visitors can see videos of speeches, read about issues, and or course donate money. MyBarackObama.com is a full-fledged social networking site built along the lines of Facebook. Once a visitor registers as a MyBarackObama member, he or she can post blogs, join discussion groups, send each other messages, organize events, and create networks of “friends,” just as on Facebook or MySpace.

    In fact, MyBarackObama.com is actually a Facebook knock-off, shepherded into reality over a year ago by Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes. The Obama campaign’s early recruitment of Hughes, which enabled the campaign to pull a virtually bug-free social networking site out of its hat early on in the campaign, was one of the most pivotal yet least noted turning points in the presidential race.

    MyBarackObama.com has been critical to the spectacular fundraising success of the Obama campaign. But what Senator Obama might do with this novel asset beyond simply raising money was an open question. And what MyBarackObama.com might do with Senator Obama was a question few even asked.

    (snip)

    Not so fast, argued Markos Moulitsas Zúniga of the DailyKos. “The Obama campaign is still very much a top-bottom operation. They’ve made it very easy for people to hop on the bandwagon, but those in the back of that wagon still get no say in where the campaign is going.”

    Well, this week it started to get really noisy in the back of the wagon. A new “group” started on MyBarackObama.com called “Senator Obama — Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right.” By last night there were 7,000 members. At noon today there were 11435, just short of making it the largest group on the MyBarackObama site. During the time I wrote this column, more than 800 more signed up. By the time you read this, it will almost certainly be the largest. There is even a contest being organized to see who can predict how many members the group will have by the time of the FISA vote next week.

    (snip)

    In my most recent post, I wrote about the tension between Obama’s Internet fundraising operation — the 1.5 million small donors — and his conventional fundraising. I wondered who would have the most influence with Obama, the small group of big donors who have faces and phone numbers the candidate knows, or the 1.5 million small donors.

    It seems that the social networking tools of MyBarackObama.com may give some of those small donors a collective face and point of contact. At this moment, the contact is the “Senator Obama — Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right” group.

    There is of course no guarantee how much real influence the members of this group will have with Obama. But they certainly have his attention. In fact, the good folks at Obama HQ are without doubt counting every new member. 12,261 and counting.

    **

    Four comments from “Senator Obama – Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right”:

    1. After going through the long and difficult primary I truly believed that Senator Obama was the man we needed. It did not take long for him to prove me so wrong. The Senator from Chicago became an inside the Beltway wonder in such a short period of time. What I want, and I say want, not please, is to see him stand up and as the leader of the Demos and stop this FISA bill. The FISA part of the bill is just as wrong as the telecom immunity. But how can you condone the telecoms disregard of the law? Please tell me how? If he does not I am finished and I will not vote for him or any Demo. This is very difficult to say with McShame running on the GOP ticket. But if Senator Obama can’t stand up for me and my right to privacy (4th Amendent) who the hell will?

    2. this is a group that REFUSES to support a candidate that supports a measure that is _unconstitutional_. Playing that “it will get McCain elected” game doesn’t fly here. We’re concerned about the CONSTITUTION, remember that thing?

    3. I’m done capitulating. If the contributors to the Obama campaign truly own it, as Obama likes to say, then it’s time we started acting like it.

    4. I have just contacted the Obama campaign and asked for my money back that I have contributed. They have agreed to refund it. If Senator Obama changes his mind and opposes FISA I will send all of my money back to the campaign.

  18. Go,go,go, admin! Keep pounding it out!

    Thought I’d have a long holiday away from politics – no way! How many people read big pink! Of course, one of the big questions is who is pink’s admin? Hope we all know someday, meanwhile, ba-LESS you!
    Of course, the biggest questions I heard seemed to be “If the tyrannical bastards don’t allow HRC on the roll call, what can we do to fight back, to prevent them from totally hijacking this nomination? How can they do that and how can we stop them and in all our fancy systems of checks and balances, is there no body, committee , whatever, to make those bastards toe the line? What the hell is the Credentials Committee for? Who sits on it? Are they doing anything? Ickes said he’d appeal to them. Did he? Is there ANYbody who can do ANYthing besides protest in demonstrations, write letters, vote for McCain and vote out all the Dems who supported this corruption? Don’t we have laws to prevent violations of voters’ rights? Who gave those few the authority to pick our nominee?”
    Lots of anger — people saying first they were shocked, then enraged, and now have settled into a long steady burn fueled by every new day’s reminders of all that’s wrong.
    The saddest part of it all was not the woman who kept repeating “I hate Hillary” with a vengefulness that made her look ugly and sound insane, nor was it the presence of bitter political cynicism on a holiday meant to celebrate our patriotism.It was the presence of those who are too timid to question authority or too self-centered to care what happens – like those who cheered the redcoats or just sat out the great American Revolution.

  19. Kumbaya Bus
    howlinglatina.blogspot.com/

    You were forewarned…if you didn’t support Obama, you would be facing a challenger in the primaries. And we’re mighty glad some of you came around to see things our way but..

    So sorry…we’re gonna do it anyway; you’re getting “primaried.”

    The New York Times headlines a new phenomena that’s spreading like wildfire throughout the land: “A New Campaign Charge: You Supported Clinton.” As if that were the most abhorrent vile thing…

    After all, we’re not talking about the Bennie Lambert type of travesty of supporting a Republican candidate over the Democratic one; support by 18 million voters for the obviously most qualified presidential candidate in the race by way of Hillary was not a travesty.

    Nevertheless, some Obama unity thugs are trying to primary Rep. Edolphus Towns of New York, a 13-term incumbent because he “did not share his constituency’s preference for Mr. Obama.”

    Rep. John Lewis is also receiving love and attention. He now faces “primary challenges from two black candidates who have been critical of him for backing Mrs. Clinton for months before shifting to Mr. Obama.”

    Ditto for Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York who faces a primary opponent making a big stink out of “Mr. Meeks’s support of the Clinton campaign in a district…where Mr. Obama drew nearly 56 percent of the vote.”

    No word from Obama Central about the unity paybacks; but apparently it’s okay to punish Hillary supporters except when it ain’t.

    Representative John Barrow, who is white but represents a district that is largely black, is under attack from a challenger who says Mr. Barrow was also late to endorse Mr. Obama.

    [O]ne district — Mr. Barrow’s in Savannah — is considered vulnerable to Republican competition in the fall. And there, Mr. Obama surprised many black leaders by endorsing Mr. Barrow, a conservative Democrat who did not endorse him until after the Georgia primary.

    Regina Thomas, a Georgia state senator who is black and is running for the seat, said that voters shared her displeasure with Mr. Obama’s decision. “This is what one constituent said to me, ‘Barrow didn’t do anything to help Obama win the 12th District,’ ” she said. “After he endorsed Barrow, people were like: ‘What in the world is he doing? Why doesn’t he just stay out of it?’ ”

    Should’ve toed the line, suckers; unless you live in a white district, of course; now run along and sing kumbaya from the back of the bus.

    Ooops, that’s right; you’re still a superdelegate. You still have time to do the right thing.

  20. rgb44hrc, originally the Head Kook was going to be included as part of Four Fake Boobs. So thanks for adding the missing main boob to the three mentioned in the front page article.

  21. Apparently, the 21,000 seat Pepsi Center in Denver is not big enough for Obama to “accept the nomination” (steal it), he’s known for the mega-crowds, and by-gummit, it’s going to be a “rilly rilly big shoe”. So it’s going to be held in the 76,000 seat football stadium.

    hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATIC_CONVENTION?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    I believe the idea is that the football stadium will be held with nothing but adorers. But it will need to be that large to accommodate the protesters.

    That is, if they are let in.

    I bet they are going to do extensive background checks to assure that those in attendance are nothing but diehard supporters. Just the way Bush packaged all his events. Yet another Obama does Bush’s Third Term example.

  22. Obama’s Poll Problems
    Obama supporters love to tout the latest poll numbers that comport with their view that an Obama win is inevitable; the guy is electoral magic; can’t touch him. Except…unless he attracts more of Hillary’s supporters, he will lose in the fall. A careful read of poll numbers clearly confirm the howler’s view.

    To illustrate, explain and support, the howler refers to a recent CQ Politics article that writes Obama-favoring polls have oversampled Democratic voters
    howlinglatina.blogspot.com/

  23. But Mr. Head Kook gets partial credit for being “right on this one issue”.

    So perhaps we can upgrade him to an F+ ???

  24. ADMIN!

    When i read your headline the only thing i could envision was a statue of Ephesus!

    I’m glad you named brazille as one of the 3. So she doesn’t want anyone to use the term ‘affirmative action?’ Wonder why? 👿

    Anyway, everyone, here’s a link to PUMA’s latest flyer. A must-see.

    blog.pumapac.org/

  25. jbstonesfan Says:

    July 7th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
    I can’t stand Pelosi, but Cindy Sheehan and Cynthia Mckeenan are far worse.
    *****************************************************
    jbstonesfan, you miss the point. Obama’s New Democratic Coalition is breaking apart at the seams.

    What I find very interesting in the article is this paragraph:

    According to a recent Harris poll conducted between June 4 and June 8, Pelosi’s job approval rating has fallen to an all-time low of just 24 percent positive and 57 percent negative.

    Since this poll was publish her job approval rating has gotten worse.

    Nancy Pelosi has been a major disappointment and a WEAK LEADER. Nancy won’t change unless pressure from the people is applied and these Leader STOP taking us for granted.

  26. Cynthia McKinney????

    Isn’t she that wacko who was involved in false charges of police harassment in DC a couple of years ago?

  27. jbstonesfan, What’s wrong with Cindy Sheehan?

    I’ve admired her.

    If there’s something particular, some stance, that you could point to, I’d be open minded about it. But up to now, I thought she’s one righteous woman.

  28. jbstonesfan ,

    It doesn’t matter whether we like Cindy Sheehan or Cynthia Mckeenan not. Personally I do NOT care about either of them. But undoubtedly they will do far LESS damage than Pelosi because they don’t have speaker’s bully pulpit.

    Again, if there’s a pig against Pelosi, I will VOTE FOR the PIG in a heartbeat.

  29. This guy’s ego has no boundry.

    Per DNC site:
    Senator Barack Obama will accept the nomination of the Democratic Party on August 28 at INVESCO Field in front of 75,000 people. Tickets will be free and the event open to the public. Ten supporters who donate $5 or more will be flown to Denver with a friend to meet Senator Obama backstage and watch history unfold.

  30. carbynew Says:
    July 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Obama’s Poll Problems
    Obama supporters love to tout the latest poll numbers that comport with their view that an Obama win is inevitable; the guy is electoral magic; can’t touch him. Except…unless he attracts more of Hillary’s supporters, he will lose in the fall. A careful read of poll numbers clearly confirm the howler’s view.

    To illustrate, explain and support, the howler refers to a recent CQ Politics article that writes Obama-favoring polls have oversampled Democratic voters
    &&&&&&

    Good one, carby. That may explain this bit of Obama-fiction:

    blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/

    Obama Making Gains in Red States
    By Taegan Goddard | July 7, 2008 8:35 AM

    According to recent polls, Sen. Barack Obama is doing extremely well in states that have voted Republican in recent presidential elections.

    * Montana: Bush won by 11 points in 2004, Obama leading McCain by 5 points
    * Colorado: Bush +4, Obama +5
    * Virginia: Bush +8, Obama +2
    * New Mexico: Bush +1, Obama +3
    * Florida: Bush +5, Obama +2
    * Indiana: Bush +20, Obama +1
    * Georgia: Bush +16, McCain +1
    * Mississippi: Bush +20, McCain +4
    * Alaska: Bush +26, McCain +4
    * North Carolina: Bush +13, McCain +4

  31. Well, that link no longer works.

    Here’s the story.
    US congresswoman has accused police in the nation’s capital of racism after an altercation on Capitol Hill.

    Police say Democrat Cynthia McKinney hit a policeman on 29 March after he stopped her at a security check in a government building.

    The row has escalated, with Ms McKinney arguing that the issue is one of racial profiling at Congress’ security checks.

    But few lawmakers have backed Ms McKinney and counter accusations have been directed at her.

    House Speaker Dennis Hastert said the security checks were about safety, not racial profiling.

    And former Republican majority leader Tom DeLay went further, accusing Ms McKinney herself of racism. “Everything is racism with her,” he said.

    Hairstyle

    Ms McKinney says that the policeman touched her inappropriately after failing to recognise her at the security check, causing her to act in self-defence.

    She has recently changed her hairstyle and told CBS television the row was “much ado about hair-do”.

    Capitol Police chief Terrance Gainer told CNN the row was not the result of racism, but came about because of Ms McKinney’s failure to stop when asked to identify herself.

    Police say they have passed the results of an investigation to the US attorney-general, who will decide whether to file charges.

  32. McKinney and Sheehan are extremist and I do not believe Hillary would support their positions. I do agree, however, thatPelosi and Reed are the worst majority leaders the party has ever had…..especially Pelosi.

  33. http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/cgi-bin/mt4/mt-c.cgi
    Comment form is at the bottom of the page, no login or registration.
    Informative article, more detail of Obama’s comments and WORM*, and some useful info in the comments.
    *What Obama Really Meant
    ————————————————-
    Obama Faces Resistance From Top Supporters of Clinton
    By John R. Emshwiller and Christopher Cooper
    Word Count: 1,572

    Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, faces dissent from dozens of top fund-raisers and other supporters of former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, who are angry over how she was treated during their bruising primary battle and are hesitating to back Sen. Obama.

    Some leading Clinton supporters are starting new Web sites or political action committees aimed at prodding Sen. Obama on issues or pressuring him to give Sen. Clinton a big role in the general-election campaign. People familiar with the matter say the effort involves dozens of the roughly 300 Clinton “Hillraisers,” individuals who raised at least $100,000 …

    The above is from the Wall Street Journal and you need to subscribe to read the entire article but I thought this excerpt was interesting. Here’s the link:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121539354782631403.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_page_one

    Personally, I hope “a big role in the general-election campaign” doesn’t mean VP! Why should Hillary spend four or eight years ironing his shirt? — Or even a few months campaigning for him? See http://www.ipetitions.com/ipetition/hillarynovp

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  34. Carbynew,

    ROTFLMFAO!

    I just read the entire article, Kumbaya Bus, about mcKinney challenging Tal-Obama as the Green Party candidate! OMG! If anyone can challenge BO about racism it’s her!

    Much a-do-about-a-hair-do Mckinney vs. Obamarrhoid. 😉

    That’s a riot!

  35. As somone on NQ pointed out, polling Democrats is a little problematical now since so many anti-Obama Dems have switched to Ind or GOP.

  36. Hia Guys,
    It’s been too long; I hit a rough patch &-a-half, just getting back to business.

    The only thing I’d say right now is as long as Hill’s top donors refuse to play ball w/Obama, the better her chances of getting a toehold in the White House. Bleed him for it.
    And long as they’re not going to contest the election in Denver,
    I see little reason not to go for that, again, it obviously being Hill & BO’s & Axelrod and Caroline Kennedy’s call.

    Still hard to believe it could come to this – unecessarily, IMO.

  37. Blue,

    What do you mean by ‘a toehold in the White House’? Do you mean Hillary as VP or in Obama’s cabinet?

    If so, please reconsider. She wants to stay in the Senate. Why tie her up as in effect a servant of BO, having to work for his policies instead of her own, etc?

    See petition AGAINST Hillary as VP:
    http://www.ipetitions.com/hillarynovp

  38. Wow – I still can’t believe these Boobs have supported this Fraud….This guy is such an idiot, and gets worse every day. I do enjoy the fact that these left winger boobs are getting a taste of the sellout that their candidate is…I hope he keeps on disappointing them…any boob could have figured it out…but no – it was Black over Female in this race, and a lynching of women and Hillary. As they say, people get the President they deserve – sadly.

  39. OBAMA GOADS REPUBLICANS INTO RETALIATING:

    Citing Obama’s breaking of his pledge regarding public financing, a Republican group (apparently a 527) will now start spending money on ads to bring him down:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/us/politics/07ads.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

    New Group Linked to G.O.P. Unveils Ad Attacking Obama
    By KATE PHILLIPS
    Published: July 7, 2008

    A newly formed Republican group broadcast its first commercial Sunday in four battleground states as part of a $3 million advertising campaign aimed at Senator Barack Obama.

    The advertisement opens with images of gasoline prices flying upward at the pump as a narrator says, “Record gas prices, a climate in crisis.” It then highlights Senator John McCain’s differences with his own party on energy policy.

    The commercial closes by summing up Mr. Obama’s positions on energy as “just the party line,” a reference to his opposition to suspending gas taxes or drilling in the Gulf of Mexico as he and other Democrats contend that a McCain presidency would represent a third Bush term.

    In response to the advertisement, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, Hari Sevugan, said in a statement: “What we need to solve our energy crisis is an honest debate about the choices before us, not more attack ads that mislead voters about the facts.

    “There’s a real choice in this election between John McCain’s promise to continue the Bush approach of trying to drill our way out of our energy crisis — which even he admits won’t lower prices this summer — or Barack Obama’s plan to provide meaningful short-term relief for our families and to make a historic investment in alternative energy development.”

    The new group, led by Brad Todd, a consultant who worked on the campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, began broadcasting the commercial Sunday in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, with plans to put it up elsewhere.

    The group is an independent expenditure arm of the Republican National Committee, which is flush with cash in comparison to its Democratic counterpart; under federal election restrictions, the new group is not allowed to coordinate with the McCain campaign.

    Mr. Todd said last week that the move was in response to Mr. Obama’s decision to forgo public financing for the general election.

    The new advertisement coincides with Mr. McCain’s “Jobs First” tour this week, which starts in Denver on Monday.

  40. How is this guy doing well in Republican states? Are they sampling Republicans and Independents, as well as Dems? It makes no sense, but not much has, during this election season.

  41. wsj says these clinton donors are forming pacs etc. i wonder what pacs and /or if they can be part fo the denver group?

  42. A couple of months ago I got emails from Coward Dean asking for contributions to fight McCain on a technicality related to his acceptance of public financing saying McCain had fraudulently used the future funds for something, can’t remember what.

    In the email Cowie was protesting how unfair it was to HWNSNBS who WAS fairly abiding by the public financing agreement.

    Funny. I haven’t heard another word about the public financing issue from Cowie and company.

    😈

  43. Yes, I knew that was the answer, but just wanted to make sure that everyone else did.

    He will probably pay people to go also.

    I don’t believe this is happening to my country.

  44. OBAMA’S EGO TOO BIG FOR FOOTBALL STADIUM; “BRIDEZILLA” SEEKS MID-SIZED STATE FOR CONVENTION SPEECH…

    Well, it might just come to that. But here’s the link for the whole football stadium story:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080707/ap_on_el_pr/democratic_convention

    Excerpts follow, with my $$$ comments:

    Obama to accept nomination at football stadium
    By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer

    NEW YORK – In a break with tradition, Barack Obama will accept the Democratic presidential nomination at Invesco Field at Mile High, a 76,000-seat stadium, rather than at the site of the party’s national convention across town.

    $$$ Since Obama is really a no-change candidate, just all empty words and empty gestures, might as make the empty gestures of epic proportions

    In a conference call with reporters, DNC Chairman Howard Dean said he was “delighted” about the change in venue for the convention speech. He batted away questions about logistical challenges and added costs the change would produce, saying those things would be worked out in the coming weeks.

    $$$ Read in between the lines: Dean: “I’m going to say I’m ‘delighted’ to damn near any thing Obama wants: sacrificial virgins, public hangings of avowed Clintonistas, you name it.”

    Separately, one official confirmed that Obama’s aides were attempting to arrange a speech at a second dramatic venue: Berlin’s Brandenburg Gate, part of Obama’s July trip to Europe and the Middle East. The Gate was the site of one of Ronald Reagan’s most memorable speeches. On a trip in July 1987, Reagan stood before throngs of West Berliners and implored then Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall dividing the city. The wall is no longer there.

    $$$ So Obama is channeling W. and Reagan. But he doesn’t want to be too closely allied to those horrible Clinton years.

    Dean also acknowledged the change of venue for the convention speech would raise security challenges, but said he and Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper had agreed such challenges won’t deter the move.

    $$$ “We just love that Obama guy. Whatever he wants, give it to him”.

    Most of the convention will take place at the 21,000-seat Pepsi Center. Construction for the convention was beginning there Monday amid concerns about lagging fundraising and cost overruns. Last month, the convention’s host committee reported it was nearly $12 million short of the $40.6 million it had pledged to raise for the effort. Host committee members spoke openly of needing the Obama campaign’s help to close the gap.

    $$$ So Obama is not yet stepping up to the plate with the funding for the convention. Yet he wants an even bigger “wedding cake”. Talk about “bridezillas”. And yet wasn’t the press all over Hillary for her catering expenses and Mark Penn polling? Will they point out Obama’s extravagances?

    Dean insisted the convention was operating on budget and the fundraising was proceding apace — a vew echoed by Obama senior adviser Anita Dunn, who said the campaign was on board to help.

    $$$ “Yes, we’re sending out lots of fundraising letters, and we keep getting monopoly money back from Hillary supporters. Hey, it almost feels like the real thing.”

    “We’re working as a team here,” Dunn said. “The fact that the nomination was not decided until the begining of June, clearly many donors would have hung back a little to see if the candidate of their chioice was going to get the nomination.”

    $$$ The nomination was “decided”, it was stolen. Ergo, you are having a great deal of difficultry “playing as a team” amongst Dems, while the Repubs are way ahead. And that will blunt Obama’s supposed fund-raising machine’s advantage.

    The Obama sought to capitalize on the announcement of the new speech venue in a fundraising e-mail to supporters Monday.

    $$$ “Hey, I ordered an extra fancy party, and I need YOU to pay for it”.

    “We’re going to kick off the general election with an event that opens up the political process the same way we’ve opened it up throughout this campaign. Barack has made it clear that this is your convention, not his,” campaign manager David Plouffe wrote.

    $$$ No, he’s made it crystal clear it is HIS convention, and no one else is allowed to complain.

    The campaign will choose 10 people who contribute at least $5 to the campaign between now and July 31 to fly to the convention and meet Obama backstage before the speech, Plouffe added.

    $$$ And all the rest will be rich donors.

    Obama is scheduled to deliver his acceptance speech on Thursday, Aug. 28, the fourth and final night of the convention. It coincides with the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963.

    $$$ By the time they’re done, he’ll attempt to hold it on the Lincoln Memorial stairs. Just wait.

  45. This bambi, his worshipness’ open-convention is really really creepy. Typical Nazi Goebbels style propaganda.

    “…
    Opening up the political process? Only by pun are they doing that; the rest is simply another manufactured event for a manufactured candidate. The way they’re “opening up the process” here is as they’ve done it to this point — by bringing more people in to sit and listen to Obama talk (and have the opportunity to faint, I suppose).

    “This is your convention, not his”? Only if you’re a willing member of the Obama cult of personality. If you’re not — say, for example, you’re a Clinton delegate, as almost half the assigned delegates are — then an event like this has to feel like an attempt to drown you out, if not to exclude you altogether.

  46. “…Unfortunately, this type event is an Obama cultist’s wet dream. This marriage of celebrity, personality cult and politics is more than creepy. If elected, would someone who rose to power in such an astonishingly religious way willingly turn over power after voted out or the end of a second term? Seriously?…”

  47. Good afternoon Hillfans. Long time lurking, no time chatting.

    Great post, as always, admin. After seeing that Ms Brazile is one of the top 3 boobs had to share that she only scored in second place in the Second Ever Obama Jackass Awards today.

    FYI .. RezkoWatch has expanded (dumped Blogger) and is now The Real Barack Obama (WordPress). Please drop by and comment (moderated).

    Just add http : //

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/second-ever-obama-jackass-award/

  48. I’m very, very disappointed in Howard Dean and the DNC, THE Democratic? Leadership in letting Obama make a farce out of this country’s traditions. So the Democrats are selecting a KING.

    Every Democratic presidential nominee had their speach at the convention except Obama. This is a manufactured candidate and it’s pissing people off and questioning the Democratic? Leadership.

    The American people abhor this kind of gimicks and showboating from their political leaders…this is too much like Castro and Cuba stadium filled political shows and it gives me the creeps.

  49. Maybe it will rain on his outdoor campaign speech.

    “Too bad it wasn’t held indoors”.

    Heh, heh. Pass out the rain ponchos.

  50. Wait until he gets to Germany and speaks at the Brandenberg Gate. Gimicks and showboating, all the way.

  51. Just got an obnoxious e-mail from Plouffe about how the convention is open for me (75k stadium event). I replied how arrogant that he was actually ruder than Obama in his remarks about Hillary.

  52. Webb is officially out of Obama’s V.P. selections. Another one is abandoing ship.

    From CNN.

    You can officially scratch off Sen. Jim Webb’s name from the list of Barack Obama’s potential running mates.

    The freshmen senator from Virginia and onetime Republican said unequivocally Monday he does not want to be the Illinois senator’s No. 2.

    “Last week I communicated to Senator Obama and his presidential campaign my firm intention to remain in the United States Senate, where I believe I am best equipped to serve the people of Virginia and this country,” Webb said in an issued statement. “Under no circumstances will I be a candidate for Vice President.”

  53. news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/07/mccains-convention-nightmare/?icid=200100397x1205373633x1200237266

    So let me get this straight. McCain, who is the popular vote nominee (they don’t have SDs), will face a battle with his own party at the convention, and that is ok in the Republican environment. No discussion of that is the way it will be, or get over it, or sit down and shut up.

    However, the Democratic party is anointing a King (because let’s face it this nomination was bought), demonstations will be kept out of view, and we will all sit down and shut up, and fall into line.

    I am confused, because I thought the Democrats were true supporters of my Democracy, and this looks like the opposite.

  54. barf alert. From Bambi’s headquarters.

    Friend —

    I wanted you to be the first to hear the news.

    At the Democratic National Convention next month, we’re going to kick off the general election with an event that opens up the political process the same way we’ve opened it up throughout this campaign.

    Barack has made it clear that this is your convention, not his.

    On Thursday, August 28th, he’s scheduled to formally accept the Democratic nomination in a speech at the convention hall in front of the assembled delegates.

    Instead, Barack will leave the convention hall and join more than 75,000 people for a huge, free, open-air event where he will deliver his acceptance speech to the American people.

    It’s going to be an amazing event, and Barack would like you to join him. Free tickets will become available as the date approaches, but we’ve reserved a special place for a few of the people who brought us this far and who continue to drive this campaign.

    If you make a donation of $5 or more between now and midnight on July 31st, you could be one of 10 supporters chosen to fly to Denver and spend two days and nights at the convention, meet Barack backstage, and watch his acceptance speech in person. Each of the ten supporters who are selected will be able to bring one guest to join them.

    Make a donation now and you could have a front row seat to history:

  55. Can Obama fill John Elway’s shoes?

    By Barb Shelly, Kansas City Star editorial page columnist

    Word from the Democrats is that Barack Obama will deliver his acceptance speech in rock star-like fashion at INVESCO Field at Mile High in Denver.

    By moving out of the smaller Pepsi Center to the home turf of the dreaded (for us in Kansas City) Broncos, Obama can quadruple his audience and speak to a crowd of about 75,000.

    This had better be one incredible speech. Obama and Howard Dean, the party chairman, are ratcheting expectations, well, a mile high. Dean points to the historic milestone of the coronation of the first non-white nominee, and notes that Obama will be speaking on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream Speech.”

    Viewed cynically, the move looks like preening, somewhat like that odd Presidential-appearing seal the Obama campaign rolled out and almost immediately retired.

    Plus, the TV networks are in a dither over logistics.

    Still, it is a historic occasion and I suppose Obama and the Dems can rationalize the move by stressing that it will allow people other than party insiders to participate.

    But they’re setting a high, high bar.

    Here’s the story from politico.com.
    voices.kansascity.com/node/1588
    *****************************************************
    Obama is getting away with this crap because Coretta Scott King is DEAD and her WEAK CHILDREN is letting Obambi LEECH off their father achievements and sacrifice.

    Howard Dean is a very, very WEAK man and no way, no how is the DNC going to blame this on Black people. This mess belongs to JOHN KERRY/HOWARD DEAN WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC? Taliban PARTY.

    This is PATHETIC!!!

  56. Obama’s Big Show at Mile High

    So what do exactly do the Republicans do this summer to upstage that really big extravangaza now in the works by the Democrats — the Aug. 28 stadium rally where Sen. Barack Obama will formally accept his party’s presidential nomination before a crowd of 75,000 rabid supporters and a national televison audience?

    Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean this morning in a conference call promised a spectacular event at INVESCO Field at Mile High in Denver, which he said aims to show that the Democrats’ national convention is ”America’s convention.”

    The rally site will accomodate more than three times the crowd at the Pepsi convention center, where the Dems’ convention meets, but Dean acknowledges that doesn’t mean it will accomodate a total cross-section of America.

    Asked if Republicans, protesters, anti-Obama types etc. will be allowed into the event, the party chairman laughed, ”I’m sure there will be good videos.”

    ”The frank truth is that people who have worked really hard, especially in Western states..would probably be given first choice” at those hot tickets, he said.

    After all, he allowed, ”I don’t expect to be given credentials to get into the hall in Minneapolis,” where the GOP will nominate its candidate, John McCain, the week after the Dems’ Obamafest.

    Republicans say no biggie, the Obama rally could backfire anyway.

    ”Obama’s speech is going to look like some Billy Graham crusade, with all of them waving their arms in the air,” scoffs one leading GOP strategist. ”Are people going to walk up to the podium, for the laying of hands so they’ll be saved?”

    But the GOPer also admits it won’t be easy for his party or his candidate, McCain, to top that show.

    ”For McCain, you have to change the dynamic,” he said. ”After Obama, what are you going to watch? A guy standing in a hall in Minneapolis?”

    ”You’ve got to give people a reason to watch, and the press something to write about,” he said.

    The ”American Idol” finale is long gone, so he says the GOP better get to brainstorming.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=27901

  57. Democrats seek wider convention audience
    This year’s Democratic convention in Denver will have an innovation:

    The fourth night, when presumptive nominee Sen. Barack Obama gives his acceptance speech, will be moved to Invesco Field.

    The reason? Invesco Field, where the Denver Broncos play, can hold 75,000 people, much more than the Pepsi Center where the first three nights of the event will take place.

    “This convention is meant to be opened up to the American people,” said Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean in a conference call with reporters today. “Sen Obama looks at this as America’s convention.”

    On the same call, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, co-chair of the convention said, “There’s nothing more that symbolizes the new face of the Democratic Party as looking at the heartland and the Rocky Mountain West as an area that used to be Republican and is now changing colors as we speak.”
    primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/12812
    *****************************************************
    Need to put Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius on the BOOB alert list. Another lemming jumping over the cliff.

  58. Obama’s ‘Nuremberg’ Complex
    Rick Moran

    Yes, I realize using a Nazi analogy is probably crossing a line somewhere but really, how else can you describe a candidate for President who eschews the forms and traditions of our democracy to substitute the imagry of totalitarian rallies of the past?

    On Thursday, August 28, Barack Obama plans to accept his nomination at Invesco Field in Denver, rather than at the Pepsi Center.

    It’s going to cost the convention committee a lot of money to make the move, but Invesco Field can handle more than 75,000 spectators and will make a much better picture.

    Well – come to think of it, I probably am going overboard a bit in comparing Invesco Field to the Nuremberg rallies held during Nazi party get togethers. (There were also the 70,000 people who came out to see Obama in Oregon.). But Americans have always been wary of a candidate who stirs passions to the boiling point in his followers. Don’t believe me? Ask President William Jennings Bryan or President Huey Long. The kind of rank populism and fervid emotion emitted by their supporters caused a lot of distrust on the part of the voter who prefer ordinary men who demonstrate humility in seeking the office rather than Messiahs who flout their populism.

    I guess 20,000 wasn’t enough for him to speak in front of at the convention center.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/obamas_nuremberg_complex.html

  59. May I say, the whole debacle is very disgusting. Can you imagine, if Hillary was planning on doing this? The press and everyone, would be so after her. Denver is a place to avoid.

  60. Is there no good news anywhere today? I’m getting sick at my stomach reading all this Obummer garbage. Can’t we all get together to arrange to have mock conventions attended by hoards in every major city on the day of the convention?

  61. HuffPost Huffers Who Keep Hittin’ the Hopium:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-grahamesmith/all-mccains-base-are-belo_b_110341.html

    There are many disenchanted lefties, on HuffPost, Dkos, etc., recently. But not to worry, there are still plenty who are still using the hopium hookah. My comments in $$$ interspersed:

    All of McCain’s Base Belongs to Us: Why It Won’t Even Be Close
    stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust

    It’s over.

    It’s mathematically impossible for John McCain to win.

    Were the great Tim Russert still with us, he would call the election for Obama at 7pm Eastern time. No, I’m not talking about November 4th — I mean tonight.

    $$$ A guy who thinks Tim Russert is great…hmmm.

    (snip)

    But the truth is, it’s not going to be close. Not even a little bit.

    $$$ It would be presumptuous to think that even a great Dem candidate like Hillary could run away with this against McCain. This idiot thinks that a) McCain is a terrible candidate (umm, he won the primary, and by “won”, I mean he got more votes, as compared to Obama, who did NOT win, the SDs dragged him over the specially rearranged finish line to help “install” him as the candidate), b) there are hardly any red states. This guy is completely delusional.

    Imagine yourself in a high school history class a century from now. Imagine the teacher beginning the section on the elections of 2008 by setting the scene: “America’s economy was in flames, we were fighting two wars with no end in sight, and global warming was accelerating at an alarming rate. The most despised president in 150 years was nearing the end of his two corruption-ridden terms, and had heartily endorsed his successor, John McCain — who, despite a few ideological differences, planned on keeping the status quo intact.
    Running against him was a lightning-in-a-bottle candidate named Barack Obama. A candidate who had nearly six times the money to spend, drew crowds of 70,000, and who received support from a surprising number of disenfranchised Republicans — even some of the Evangelicals who swept Bush to power.

    $$$ So you’re counting all the unhatched cross-over eggs??? But you’re also counting on the Hillary supporters to “come back to the fold”? Even after the Obama-terrorists have essentially asked us to “get the hell out of OUR party”??

    Obama was the story. He captured the imagination of young Americans and the world. Now, by a show of hands — who thinks McCain won that election?” (A particularly easy question, since they’re sitting in Barack Obama High).

    $$$ “Lightning in a bottle”…cute. Stadiums full of adoring fainting fans. Well, how come Lightning Bottle lost primary after primary to Hillary, in spite of his outstanding February, and huge finanical edge??? He only got the lead in committed delegates through voter intimidation in the caucuses, and one good month in February, where the MSM helped shield him from ANY CRITICISM. This HuffPoster actually thinks the MSM can continue to prop him up?? What are they, like Weekend at Barack’s, hauling around the dead weight?

    Whatever you think about McCain — whether you love him or hate him — you can’t deny that he’s a victim of horrible timing. Everywhere you look, there are tidal forces — geopolitical, economic, and social forces — trending in Obama’s favor. McCain is running on a war record in a country aching for peace.

    $$$ Ummm, doofus, in case you don’t recall, Repubs will run as post-9/11 candidates. Plus, foreign policy experience, and experience in general, have always played an important part in campaigns. Obama’s foreign policy experience may be limited to the fact that we’re not even sure where he was born.

    He’s running on an admitted lack of economic knowledge in a country aching for economic reform.

    $$$ So too is your dream candidate, who said that what he’s looking for in a VP is “someone who knows a bunch of stuff”. If you looked at any debate, you could see how limited Obama’s knowledge is on a whole range of matters.

    Healthcare, foreign policy, energy — in each case his sales pitch is twenty years behind the curve, much like the declining party for which he has the unfortunate honor of being standard bearer. Worst of all, his base doesn’t even like him.

    $$$ Obama’s base is currently in the midst of turning on him. The other half of the Democratic party already deserted him months ago.

    Sure, they might pull that lever, but they’ll be holding their noses with the other hand. If Obama’s base is “fired up and ready to go,” McCain’s base is more like “reheated and I’ll get around to it.”

    $$$ I just told you, dodo, that Obama’s base is now threatening to withhold donations and votes due to flipflops on Iraq, FISA, etc. McCain’s base is starting to warm up (527s are getting their ads out).

    All McCain’s base are belong to us.

    Call it whatever you want: arrogance, a jinx — but let’s be honest with ourselves — this thing is over. I know, I know. “A lot can happen between now and November.”

    $$$ Exactly. That’s why the whole premise of your retarded post fails the Idiot Test.

    I know that we Democrats are used to scurrying around like we’re on Meerkat Manor, with a sky full of Neocon hawks overhead. I know that we’ve perfected the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But can’t you feel it in the smog-kissed air? Feel that this year is different?

    $$$ It could have been, with Hillary.

    This year, we’ve got a candidate who refuses to cower in the face of the old Rove/Atwater/Dobson line of attack. A candidate who understands that you can’t change the world unless you win, and that you don’t have to sell your soul to do it.

    $$$ Dude, he sold his soul. And it’s not a given that he’ll win. Heck, he’ll be lucky to get past August without one of his A-Z scandals forcing him out.

    And despite some bruises, we’ve got a Democratic Party on its way toward unprecedented unity and energy.

    $$$…”And despite some BRUISES…”. Dude, even CNN is admitting that the Angry Hillary Bloc “poses something of a challenge for Obama” (I made up that quote, but it sounds like I lifted it from Wolf Blitzer). And “unprecedented unity and energy”???? Geez, even the HuffPo / Dkos crowd are rebelling. Let alone 40%-ish of Hillarites who are set to punish the Dems. Do you ever read anyone else’s postings or news aside from the incense burning crowd??

    I don’t care if footage of Obama snorting coke off Scarlett Johansson’s boobs surfaces in late October. All it will do is bolster his standing with white males.

    $$$ Dude, now you’re getting retarded.

    I don’t care if McCain is introduced by a resurrected Jesus Christ at the convention. All it will do is piss off Joe Lieberman. McCain won’t just be defeated, he’ll be crushed. And not just Bob Dole crushed, but crushed in a way that redefines the political map for the next 25 years.

    $$$ Dude, have any of your friends suggested an intervention. You can’t smoke that much hopium in such a short period without devastating side effects.

    Jinx or no jinx, I’m not going to be a Meerkat Democrat — not this year. This year, I’m celebrating the Fourth with some burgers, some fireworks, and a nice, cool McCrush.

    This year I’m the friggin’ hawk.

    $$$ Seth, thank you for your brilliant analysis and comedic stylings. We needed a chance to get a good laugh out.

  62. Obama is a selfish egomaniac and latest rank hubris is another example of how out of touch Obama and the CURRENT DEMOCRATIC LEADERS are with respect to the voters.

    With Gas heading above $5.00 dollar a gallon and people losing their homes and the economy going south…KING OBAMBI is displaying the most OVER THE TOP, DISMISSIVE ATITITUDE to this Country’s TRADITIONS I have every seen in my lifetime.

    The more Obama believes he will be the next POTUS the more his TRUE FACE is revealed. It’s no secret that most Americans are centrist and are proud to be American. But Obama toss our country history and traditions (good or bad)….good or bad away like it was nothing. Yet all these College Fraternities and Sororities with their own decades long traditions and history would never let anybody show disrespect like Team Obama and Howard Dean/John Kerry/Nancy Pelosi and the DNC.

    Even the Congress and it’s traditions didn’t let Obama toss them UNDER THE BUS but King OBAMBI can throw away this COUNTRY”S Traditions and become a people party like COMMUNIST CHINA, CUBA, and other TOTALITARIAN RALLIES of the past and present.

  63. carbynew Says:

    July 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
    zogby: obama wins presidency, everybody can go home now
    zogby’s interactive online poll predicts sen. barack “to the future” obama will outpace john mcsame in the electoral college by a whopping 273 to 160.

    xnerg.blogspot.com/2008/07/zogby-obama-wins-presidency-everybody.html

  64. Heidi Li Feldman “Took a business trip to Boston, and ended up having lunch with Ed O’Reilly
    “I traveled to Boston to pursue some academic business and because I have been following Ed O’Reilly’s primary challenge to Senator Kerry, I left word with Ed (as I now feel I can call him) saying that I would be in Massachusetts and would enjoy the opportunity to get to know him better before deciding whether to spare time to really help his election effort.

    Apparently, Ed O’Reilly has manners (unlike some, e.g. Mark Penn and Howard Dean who find it impossible to even send a form letter reply to serious inquiries from a serious rank and file Democrat). Not only did Ed get back to me, he said he would make time for us to meet for lunch.

    And what a great lunch we had. We went to a place overlooking Boston Harbor. I had to switch hats on my way over, having spent the morning discussing matters academic and administrative with a friend and colleague who works at a well-known institution of higher education in the Boston region. But Ed made switching hats easy, because he was so relaxed and down to earth.

    I will write more about my lunch conversation with Ed later but for now let me say that he deserves the support of all those who believe in the goal of The Denver Group: Ed totally gets the idea of keeping the Democratic Party democratic and he’s willing to fight for that. Now all we have to do is get him to the U.S. Senate. That might sound like an overly ambitious goal, but one thing I have learned this political season: when we work together we can achieve some of our most ambitious dreams.
    ——————————-
    I like him too Heidi –I’m talking him up and giving out his bumper stickers! His numbers in MA are climbing rapidly – I really think he’s going to retire old Kerry!

  65. A fascinating discussion of “The Caucus Factor” and how skewed the results were.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/07/the-caucus-factor/#more-3453

  66. Obama Will Sell Anything
    “I Sell the Things You Need To Be. I’m the Smiling Face on Your TV”
    By Mark I

    The Obama campaign officially announced today that Sen. Obama will accept the Democratic presidential nomination in an open air event expected to draw 75,000 people. The campaign takes pains to point out that free tickets will be available for the torchlight rally acceptance speech, but…

    If you make a donation of $5 or more between now and midnight on July 31st, you could be one of 10 supporters chosen to fly to Denver and spend two days and nights at the convention, meet Barack backstage, and watch his acceptance speech in person. Each of the ten supporters who are selected will be able to bring one guest to join them.

    This guy will sell anything. So much for the new politics. Obama’s campaign is more motivated by money and fundraising than any campaign in recent memory. One wonders if this will continue into an Obama presidency.

    “For a donation of $25 dollars or more, you could be one of 10 lucky people to be flown to Washington D.C. to sit in on an exciting intelligence briefing in the White House Situation Room. Afterwards, you’ll be given an exclusive tour of the Oval Office and get to listen in on a secure phone call between President Obama and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Your whirlwind day will conclude with a special de-briefing by the president and the opportunity to personally sign one letter of President Obama’s signature to the official roll back of the Bush Tax Cuts.”

    I guess “fixing a broken public finance system” means “sell anything that isn’t nailed down including my dignity and the dignity of the office in order to out raise my opponents” in Obamian.

  67. Lightly off-topic but somehow related. Is this why John COnyers and friends said a Bush impeachment was off the table?

    FBI has Evidence on Monica Conyers

    (WXYZ) Our reporting partners at the Detroit News are reporting that the FBI has electronic surveillance that links Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers to the Synagro scandal.

    The evidence reportedly proves that Conyers received either a payment or payments in connection with the city-approved sludge contract.

    Conyers was a vocal opponent of the $47 million a year Synagro contract, but changed her position and eventually voted for the deal when it passed by 5-4 vote in November.

    The FBI is also looking into the involvement of, and possible payments to several other people in connection with the Synagro deal. Another, unnamed member of Council is also reportedly the focus of the investigation.

    The investigation has also touched Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Council President Ken Cockrel, Jr. Cockrel’s former chief of staff John Clark resigned after it was reported that he had been videotaped taking a bribe. Mayor Kilpatrick’s father Bernard Kilpatrick name has surfaced in the investigation, as has that of Michael Tardif, a member of the Democratic National Committee, and adviser to the mayor. Cockrel has said he is not a target of the investigation, Kilpatrick says he had no involvement in the Synagro deal.

    Other names that have surfaced in connection with the scandal include Grand Rapids businessman James Rosendall, who represented Synagro in the deal, and Rayford Jackson, a local business man who was involved in the deal. Since the scandal broke, Rosendall has been suspended by Synagro, which also stopped all payments to Jackson.

    Sam Riddle, an ex-aide to Councilwoman Conyers says he has also been investigated by the FBI, but told reporters that he had refused a request to wear a wire. Riddle also says he does not think he has billed Conyers for any work since September or October.

    The FBI investigation into the Synagro deal is part of a larger investigation into City hall which is examining contracts that were issued over several year, including contract related to Cobo Hall.

  68. texan: He is pandering to the evangelicals. If he keeps going, there will be NO DIFFERENCE, between his position and McCain’s.

    As Admin says: “Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

  69. Hi there HilFans

    in light of the Stadium News

    you all might enjoy this picture

    http://

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/second-ever-obama-jackass-award/

  70. From that same posting:

    “Today in Salon, Frances Kissling and Kate Michelman, “feminist Obama supporters,” write that

    in recent weeks, Democrats, including Sojourners founder Jim Wallis, have suggested that the party may need to take another crack at tempering its strong platform support for abortion rights by making “abortion reduction … a central Democratic Party plank in this election.” In a recent interview with ABC News, Wallis said he planned to talk to his “good friend” Barack Obama about an abortion reduction plank, and said he had discussed the idea with party chairman Howard Dean and had the support of at least one member of the Platform Committee, the Rev. Tony Campolo. “Abortion reduction should be a central Democratic Party plank in this election,” Wallis told ABC News. “I’ll just say that flat out.”

    Can we please have Hillary back now?

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/07/abortion/

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/is-this-really-happening/#more-1822

  71. hey guys, long time since we last spoke……

    keep up the awesome work, I’m with you all! Hillary or else!

    miss you my friends.

  72. Well, I said all along if Hill chose the non-confrontational route with regard to Denver then she should demand nothing less than Cheney power &the Veep spot.

    If she’d prefer to stay in the Senate with jackals like Dodd & Leahy & McCaskill, who did all they could to create and perpetrate the current grotesque situation, that’d have to be added to the list of things I don’t understand (which is quite a long list indeed).

  73. Blue Dem,

    Hope everything’s back to normal for you. 😀

    I think HRC would have far more impact and influence in the senate than as VP where BO will do his best to marginalize and humiliate her even further. In the Senate she’s got the respect, if grudging, of her colleagues. Taking the VP, if offered, would be a demotion, IMHO.

  74. the egregious spectacle the democrats plan for B-HO’s coronation should be met by the republicans head-on.

    the GOP should make the DEMs look like the self-absorbed egotistical pigs that they are. perhaps the GOPers could match the monies spent on such a disgusting exhibition and donate it to local minneapolis st.paul charities.

  75. this whole denver stadium Invesco Field event is really making me sick. there are people in this country who can barely fill their gas tanks and what are democrats doing in denver? shoving wasteful spending in the faces of the people they’re supposed to represent.

    i am so glad i am no longer associated with the democratic party.

  76. The manipulation by Big Media does its level best to keep those fake smiles going – trying to convince their loyal (boob) followers (and each other) that all is right – avoiding any hint of the F word (flip-flop) and pretending they haven’t all been bamboozled and hoodwinked.

    “That’s what he’s saying now just to get elected,” they tell themselves and each other out of camera/audio range.

    Okay….and so that makes him authentic…trustworthy…a leader?

    “Well,” they rationalize…”he’s a savvy politician…not afraid to take risks…sees all sides of an issue.”

    Okay, so ladies and gentlemen – for almost seven months in a row now, what we CONTINUE to have here is a failure to communicate. So don’t even try.

    JUSTSAYNODEAL, NObama in NOvember.

    We know that OBAMAROBOT followers couldn’t all be THAT steer-kicked. They’ll never admit they’re too appalled at his lack of conviction, his dirty politics and lack of character (LIAR, LIAR). When they start into their “schpill about the multi-faceted metamorphosis of BHO”, just shake your head sideways and give them a look like that it’s even painful to watch them suffer trying sooooo hard to convince themselves that they haven’t all been thrown under the bus.

    Be sure and tell them (especially the ones who have gone through life throwing up a white picket fence everywhere they go), that it’s okay – we ALL encounter betrayal at some point in our lives…even unfettered beautiful people…and while still shaking your head…

    WALK AWAY. Oh yeah, be sure your parting statement is “Millions of us will JUSTSAYNODEAL to NObama in NOvember.”

  77. Basil,

    Thanks, hope all’s well w/U2.

    It depends on the deal she cuts, which is why I’ve said Cheney power from Day 1, which means essentially a co-presidency (which would be the closest thing to transferring the actually primary results, short of giving Hill the nomination).

    Of course BO & Co. wouldn’t want to go for it, which is why her top donors withholding their support and Hill holding (the majority of) her 18M voters in check until she gets the deal she wants is important.

    If the goal is to accumulate power & enact her priorities, I can’t a see how she’d have more power as 1 of 100 senators versus cutting the kind of deal she should be able to make.
    Plus there’s the whole inside track for ‘the next Dem race’, and the ‘heartbeat away’ element, which I don’t even like talking about, regardless of who the principals are.

    Long story short, I think she has to demand as much power as possible, and fight for it.
    Lord knows the people who used every trick in the book (and a few that weren’t) to deny her this time aren’t going to suddenly or eventually see things her way.
    And she might never be in stronger position to do so than right now.

    Also, last we’d heard, it’s still what WJC wants for her.

  78. Blue Democrat Says:
    Well, I said all along if Hill chose the non-confrontational route with regard to Denver then she should demand nothing less than Cheney power &the Veep spot.
    If she’d prefer to stay in the Senate with jackals like Dodd & Leahy & McCaskill, who did all they could to create and perpetrate the current grotesque situation, that’d have to be added to the list of things I don’t understand (which is quite a long list indeed).

    First, ‘Cheney power’ or even ‘Gore power’ depended moment to moment on the whim of the actual president and/or the party insiders (now Pelosi etc). It is not something that Obama’s VP would ‘inherit’.

    As to jackels — the Senate is a mixed group of 100 Senators, and works closely with the House also. Some of these people have been very strong HIllary friends and supporters. Here Hillary has power of her own, she stands on the support of the voters of NY who love her.

    As an Obama employee, she would be alone in the power of jackel-Obama and his crowd of jackels.

    Most important, Hillary has stated that she WANTS to stay in the Senate (and will take VP only as a favor to the party, if requested).

    And — if Obama loses, she’s free to run for Pres in 2012. If her presence on an Obama/Clinton ticket made him the winner — then she’d be tied up for eight years, having to give up her own Senate career to prop up that idiot. AFter that she will be 68 years old (and Bill’s health may be bad); so effectively now or 2012 is probably her only good chance for Pres (at least for co-pres with Bill).

    http://www.ipetitions.com/hillarynovp

  79. FWIW and for those who are interested; (Paul?????)
    An interesting Meesh tape theory
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5P9_e43sE

    Blue,
    I think that taking the VP slot would damage her and end her political career. She would become a joke, a laughing stock. As Manning so eloquently put it (LOL) in his recent remarks to BC, “Don’t let that long-legged Mack-daddy pimp out your wife.” 👿
    HRC should stay as far away from BO as she can so he doesn’t contaminate her, IMHO, and then she would have a shot in 2012 if the

    dems don’t come to their senses and nominate her this year..

  80. Blue,

    Who bloody said that Bill wants Hillary to take VP — and bloody why should we bloody belive them?

    ‘Cheney power’ isn’t something she could demand from Obama and trust to receive. Obama is a lying double-crosser. He could promise anything and keep none of it. This isn’t something that could even be written in a contract, much less a legal power.

    Whatever he might ‘agree’ too, the VP is actually a servant of the Pres. He could make things so uncomfortable for her that she would have to resign — after giving up her Senate seat to put him over.

  81. NO WAY should Hillary accept the VP spot. If she were going to go that route, I think we already would have heard about it by now. The Clinton camp and the Obot camp seem to be drifting farther apart, despite the fundraisers in NYC. It’s like a divorce– they meet when they have to discuss $$$ and there are lawyers present, but that’s it.

    Hillary is not alone. I don’t see any other Dems lining up to be Bambi’s vice. At the rate he’s going, he will have to hire an illegal immigrant because this is a job no American is willing to do.

    Speaking of veeps, I wonder why McCain hasn’t picked his yet?

  82. In the end, after repeatedly promising earth-shattering revelations, Pastor Manning came out with squat. Could care less what he says now.

    I just think generally there’s way to much that can happen in the coming 8 years – not to mention the next 8 months – to make any sort of plans about future presidential cycles.
    Thus, grab the power while it’s there for the taking -and it is, despite what anyone – including Hill (who made noise about staying in the Senate only AFTER having Bob Johnson publicly lobby for Veep, and WJC leaked to ABC news that it’s what he think should happen) has to say about it.

    turndownobama-com, I never suggested the power Dick Cheney is something that is inherit-able. It must be negotiated, in cold clear terms.
    Such terms as dictated by the president wouldn’t leave Hill alone & powerless amongst the enemy as you seem fearful of.
    It’d be real power, legislatively, figuratively, you name it.
    I don’t see how Hill & her Senate supporters would have any true Senate power over and above what the constitution grants them, at least not enough to overturn the will of the White House and their own Senate cabal onmce their hands are on the levers of power.

    Keep in mind, I want to go to Denver. Can’t say that strongly enough.

    Hey Admin, Nice Header!

  83. turndownobama.com,
    See my above post and check both the ABC News links to the story (it was leaked to Stephanoupoulous) as well as the big Vanity Fair piece.

    That combined with Johnson’s remarks – and that bitch Charlie Rangel’s protestations – leave little doubt where it was coming from.

    If you didn’t even know that much already you really shouldn’t be arguing with me.

  84. and again, it’s been Hillary who has advocated this peaceful ‘party’ approach, rather than going ‘God Fuck it All’ and scorched earth,
    as I unquestionably would have.

    But I don’t think there’s any doubt what she wants.
    The ABC story, paraphrased, said “Bill wants her in the Veep spot. She’s earned it.”

    So if you want to argue, argue with them.
    I for one will NEVER understand it.

  85. Evening all

    I believe the Peaceful Party approach is a legacy-preserving move. For Hillary AND Bill and for Chelsea’s future. What in the world would BM nad the DNC do to her if she “Damned the torpedoes”?

    Someone here had a good theory (sorry I cannot remember who) but it was this: If she plays along with the Unity crap (with a gun to her head by the Powers that Be) and calls for Party Unity, the logical extension is when Obama tanks, or actually turns into Bush and Reagan before our eyes in the next six weeks, then she can “rescue” the PArty. She WILL HAVE BEEN a “team Player” and NO ONE can say she was not. Dean and Pelosi will scurry back to their holes and say they were Democrats all along.After all….they just want to maintain THEIR power….which will NEVER happen if Obama gets the crown.

    The stuff with the donors cannot make a difference. She does not have the power to MAKE THEM give their money to Obama…that a deal HE CAN’T CLOSE ALL BY HIMSELF. After all…it’s not a “money collecting breakfast” was was advertised in an article on Yahoo News….

  86. I think it is bigger. Maybe he knows something, that will be coming out on O. He wants Hillary in position ready to be the nominee

  87. I can’t imagine Hillary Clinton wanting the office by “default”

    Although one never knows. Besides, this guy is SUCH a dirt-bag, any association with him, ESPECIALLY if he tanks as Prez, will sullie her badly..if not in reality, the Press will make it so and she will have to go too…and that leaves Nancy Pelosi in line…

    think about THAT!

  88. norma said: If she plays along with the Unity crap (with a gun to her head by the Powers that Be) and calls for Party Unity, the logical extension is when Obama tanks, or actually turns into Bush and Reagan before our eyes in the next six weeks, then she can “rescue” the PArty. She WILL HAVE BEEN a “team Player” and NO ONE can say she was not.
    ===================

    Yep. Or more likely, after Obama becomes the McGovern of 2008, in 2012 she rescues the party. Just pray she hasn’t taken VP and put him over the top so he WINS in 2008; then she would be stuck as his servant for 8 years, losing both her chance at Pres AND her Senate career.

  89. norma said: If she plays along with the Unity crap (with a gun to her head by the Powers that Be) and calls for Party Unity, the logical extension is when Obama tanks, or actually turns into Bush and Reagan before our eyes in the next six weeks, then she can “rescue” the PArty. She WILL HAVE BEEN a “team Player” and NO ONE can say she was not.
    ===================

    Yep. Or more likely, after Obama becomes the McGovern of 2008, in 2012 she rescues the party. Just pray she hasn’t taken VP and put him over the top so he WINS in 2008; then she would be stuck as his servant for 8 years, losing both her chance at Pres AND her Senate career.

  90. blue,

    So how much of AP’s stuff do you usually believe?

    Or STeph? Or Vanity Fair?

    YOu said: “I for one will NEVER understand it.”

    Maybe because it doesn’t make sense. Maybe because it’s bullshit. Maybe because it isn’t true, it’s just another silly lie like the other things Steph and the media like to say about the Clintons. Always ‘leaked’ or something like that.

    How does that fit with the UK paper that quoted Bill as saying Obama could ‘kiss my ass’? I expect BOTH stories are lies.

    The NY Mag cover interview last month gave a DIRECT QUOTE from HIllary plainly saying that she does not want to be VP but would take it as a favor to the party; a similar direct statement was quoted a couple of months ago. Also a couple of months ago Couric showed a VIDEO of Hillary saying that if she lost she would “be the Senator from NY” and she was fine there.

  91. blue said: It must be negotiated, in cold clear terms.
    Such terms as dictated by the president wouldn’t leave Hill alone & powerless amongst the enemy as you seem fearful of.
    It’d be real power, legislatively, figuratively, you name it.
    I don’t see how Hill & her Senate supporters would have any true Senate power over and above what the constitution grants them, at least not enough to overturn the will of the White House and their own Senate cabal onmce their hands are on the levers of power.

    This is gibberish. Any such ‘negotiated power’ would be worth less than the paper it was written on. Who do you think would enforce it? The Supreme Court? If anything, they would find such an agreement unconstitutional — Obama himself would probably argue that it was. (“Aw, I didn’t really sign that, it was done by a staff member without my approval.”) Under the constitution, the VP has NO power of his own: he is strictly an agent of the President, bound to carry out the Presdient’s orders. Hillary’s only options would be obey or resign — with no Senate seat to go back to.

    In the Senate HIllary and her people DO have constitutional powers, clear powers which no one denies. As VP she would have none.

    Sure, Denver — but not to beg for her to be Obama’s servant.

    Better to leave her free and crush Obama in the GE. Pres McCain and Hillary as lion of the Senate COULD really get something done.

  92. turndownobama-com,

    How much do you believe is a good place to start with any/all of this.

    Plainly though, Bob Johnson, BET founder, publicly signaled Hill’s desires regarding the VP spot, at Hillary’s direct request (depending on what you believe).
    The Vanity Fair piece (Gaily Sheehy) made that clear, as did subsequent reporting on remarks by people like Ed Rendell & Rangel (that despicable old bitch!).

    Now, it may well be Hill just wants to keep that option open, and one way to do that is to be viewed as strongly advocating such a position, whether that was her true intention or not.
    I’ve hoped that was the case, that there was till a faint glimmer of hope that Denver would become what it should be, basically a trial on this fucked up excuse for a nomination process.

    Referring to any theoretical VP nod, with clear-cut lines of authority, responsibility, etc, isn’t gibberish, as you rather rudely point out.
    If it happens, that is how it will happen.

    But the thought of a President McCain (who I remain unconvinced at this point will even be the GOP nominee) and Hillary as some kind of lion in the Senate seems a very undesirable option at this point.

    Can go back -n-forth on this forever without conclusion. Whatever.

  93. blue,

    We start with what Hillary directly said, herself, preferably on video or tape.

    Next level of credibility is a serious interview by a serious journalist such as in the NY Mag, who QUOTES a direct statement by HIllary.

    All this stuff about X said that Y said that Z ‘signalled’ something — is worthless.

    And common sense and a realistic view of what the constitution allows, is helpful also.

  94. turndown,

    Start without giving me the rundown on the journalistic 1-2-3’s, please.

    What is worthless is basing an assumption on a direct quote irregardless of the other (obvious) factors at work and the evidence which backs them up.

    Do you really think those fucking turncoats like Rangel (and even Rendell) would have been so up in arms, screaming how Hillary couldn’t ‘negotiate with the nominee” if there wasn’t at least some of that actually happening.
    If I remember correctly, Rendell’s quote was along the lines of, “Even if you’re Hillary and you have 18M votes you don’t haggle w/the nominee.”
    And I’m usually the last person to refer to ‘politicians’ in the usual way in which people do.

    But do you seriously think just because Hillary went on camera and said she’d be happy being the senator from NY, that’s all that’s in play here?

    Cmon. I won’t devote any more time to this.

  95. and the constitution to which you refer also states this, which I happen to prefer for Hillary (assuming she wants it) way more than being some ‘lion’ in the US Senate.
    It begins with being President of the Senate, and having an historical inside track on 2016, if we must think that way;

    “In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.”

  96. Speaking of things being FUBAR;

    Top Clinton Adviser to Join Fox News

    Howard Wolfson, one of the members of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s innermost circle and perhaps the most visible member of the New York senator’s television surrogates, is joining Fox News Channel as a Democratic analyst.

    Wolfson confirmed the move this evening via email. In addition to his part time commentary duties on FNC, Wolfson will remain a partner at the Glover Park Group — a major consulting firm in Washington, D.C.

    “Fox has the largest audience in cable television — many of its viewers are independents who will help decide the next election,” said Wolfson of his decision. “It’s critically important for strong progressives to be talking to and offering analysis to that audience.”

    Wolfson said he doesn’t have (and has never had) any plans to write a book about his experience on the Clinton campaign and, as for whether he would join Barack Obama’s general election bid, Wolfson said he was focused on his work at GPG and with Fox.

  97. Sure she’s negotiating — about how to divide donations, how much money she wants, how much time she and Bill have to spend campaigning, whether Chelsea has to campaign for him — and other things she does want, such as having her name on the ballot, a roll call vote, planks in the platform.

    But there is a big difference between ‘she’s negotiating some stuff’ and ‘she wants to be VP’ or worse, ‘Bill wants her VP’.

    For all we know, she’s negotiating about NOT wanting to be VP.

    ‘Assuming she wants it’ — big assumption. Not something we should be spreading around. Building pressure for her as VP would be bad if she doesn’t want it. (As well as degrading to suggest that Bill wants it for her!)

    As for VP being backup in case the President dies — can you imagine Hillary wanting to be in that position? To know that her presence gives a strong motive for assassination. If that happened, how do you think she would feel? (LBJ was accused of assassinting JFK, and their supporters weren’t as ‘bitter’ as we are.)

    —–

    I left out part of the 1-2-3.

    First, we look at complete written statements released by Hillary or the campaign, so we get the whole context as well.

    Then we look at verbal statements, which sometimes have mistakes (Bosnia) even in full context.

    Then at taped statements (allowing for possible clippping out of context).

    Then at direct quotes related by serious journalists. Etc.

    Sure we need to look at context of the direct statements. But this “X said Y said Z was signalling when Z said” stuff is just bullshit!

  98. Should be: “Then at direct quotes related by serious journalists, allowing for the journalist clipping out of context and the journalist’s bias, etc.”

  99. Wonder why this did not make the MSM

    Maureen Dowd

    Obama’s Troubling Internet Fund Raising
    groups.google.com/group/rec.martial-arts/msg/7e603b4929b2d98c

  100. PumaResponder alerts for July 7 (late, sorry)

    http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm
    The Israelinsider, Jay McKinnon, aka opendna, says he manipulated the Obama birth certificate to create a blank Hawaii birth certificate as
    a “template,” supposedly for a John McCain birth certificate. But he says it was not an attempt at deception but a “lame joke” that he now regrets.
    Texasdarlin also has good
    article ‘Fight The Smears’ Deletes Birth Certificate Response?
    ————————————————————–
    Obama Faces Resistance From Top Supporters of Clinton
    Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, faces dissent from dozens of top fund-raisers and other supporters of former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, who are angry over how she was treated during their bruising primary battle and are hesitating to back Sen. Obama.
    Some leading Clinton supporters are starting new Web sites or political action committees aimed at prodding Sen. Obama on issues or pressuring him to give Sen. Clinton a big role in the general-election campaign. People familiar with the matter say the effort involves dozens of the roughly 300 Clinton “Hillraisers,” individuals who raised at least $100,000 …

    The above is from the Wall Street Journal and you need to subscribe to read the entire article or to comment.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121539354782631403.html?mod=todays_us_nonsub_page_one

    Corrected link:
    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/obamas_lateterm_abortion_probl.html#comments
    Comment form is at the bottom of the page, no login or registration.
    Informative article, more detail of Obama’s comments and WORM*, and some useful info in the comments.
    *What Obama Really Meant

    To receive these alerts by email, join PumaResponders by emailing 1950democrat/at/gmail/com.

  101. marie,

    On a quick Google, I doubt the author was Maureen Dowd. Maybe Matthew Dowd, though it didn’t show up on a quick look at his blog either.

    The content of the alleged phone call did sound quite credible. Just the sort of thing that could be done with Paypal — and the sort of stunt that Obama would try.

    Maybe NQ can investigate it for us. 🙂

  102. I sent it to Fox News maybe they could look into it

    I remember having and article on internet labs that were set up for Obama in one of those arab countries going to see if I can find it.

  103. I love the idea of Wolfson going to FOX. Love it.

    Today, three of us puma just say no deal people met with local reporter from weekly newspaper for 2 hours. We gave her the relevant history of the campaign as those of us on 44 know it only too well in granular detail.

    At the outset I assured her that I would not presume to tell her her business but if I were writing the story the theme would be this:

    Why is it that eighteen months ago millions of Hillary supporters were sick of the Republican Party, looked at the 7 Democrats who stood on the debate stage and said our party has an embarrassment of riches, we want Hillary but would settle for at least 4 others., WHEREAS
    today we are unalterably opposed to the presumptive nominee and if he becomes the nominee then come hell or high water we will vote for the Republican candidate John McCain?

    The answer of course comes down to three things: i) first, the process itself was fundamentally corrupt, ii) second, Obama is a fatally flawed candidate, and iii) third, our loyalty to the country supercedes party loyaly.

    The jouralist seemed intrigued by the story. I assured her this could be an important piece since Big Media has fallen on its sword. I will let you know how it turns out if it is good. If it is not good then I too will commit hare kerre (sp).

    Years ago the congresswoman friend I have mentioned here in the past decided it would be a good idea to grant an interview to a particular outdoor magazine which had a position hostile to hers. The writer was a latte liberal so I had reason to fear the worst. I advised against it and my advice was not heeded. She gave the interview and we waited to see what he would write. Finally the magazine hit the newssands.

    It was the strangest goddamn piece I have ever seen. The writer chose to portray her as a sex symbol–the sexiest grandmother in congress he called her and went into a long erotic explanation mableline, eyshadow, fire and ice lipstick. It did make me wonder what happened when they flew off into the mountains for photoshooting. She liked the article, and so did her staff. But I did not, and my objection had nothing to do with my morals, but everything to do with the morals of her constituents many of whom read the Bible by candelight. And this was election season.

    So I decided to take swift evasive acton and bought up every damned copy of that magazine. In international law this is called preclusive buying. But I failed to realize one essential fact. That when a magazine is sold out they order more and that is precisely what they did in that instance. At that point I let nature take its course, nothing came of it and we won the electon by a comforable 10 point margin.

    The moral to the story is you never know what they will print until you see it. And, if you dont like it preclusive buying is not the answer.

    PS. I heard 7 sds switched to Hillary today.

  104. 1950democrat: I think it would be a mistake for Hillary to accept the Vice President position. Obama cannot be trusted, and if he gave a commitment there would be no enforceable remedy for breach. Given the way he has treated Hillary and her supporters since the dnc made him the presumptive nominee there is no reason to believe he would treat her any different if he was in his cabinet. That is the fundamental problem.

  105. I think Howard Wolfson did a commendable job for Hillary. I am glad he will remain in the public spotlight because his insights will be valuable. He also scores high in my book for disavowing any intention to write a book on his experiences in the campaign. Most often such books are written for money to get even or to shift blame. Very little public good ever comes from them.

  106. I give you guys alot of credit for thinking about Hillarys prospects long term. That is too much of a leap for me. I cannot anticipate what will happen four weeks from now much less 4 years or 8 years hence. The only thing I know for sure is in the long run we will all be dead, and I would perfer not to think about that too much either. As I have said often I honestly believe we are in deep trouble as a country, Hillary is our greatest leader and as ABM 90 says we the country need this woman. Hey ABM 90 I havent heard from you for awhile. I wished you a happy July 4. Hope all is well with you.

  107. Someone mentioned upthread that Hillary is probably negotiationg with the enemy on such matters as whether Bill and Chelsie will campaign for him presumably in the fall. I have alread opined on the merits of Bill campaigning for this snake after what he had done to vilify the Clinton legacy. I will not repeat them here.

    As far as Chelsie is concerned that should be a non-negotiable item. What does that mean? It means no today, no next week, no next month, no in any succeeding month, no, no, no never.
    Why? That poor kid. For the love of her mother she took a leave of absense from her job, took time away from her boyfriend, went on the long laborious campaign trail, took crappy questions form bots and responded with composure and dignity, listened to that old lecher Ted tell her she had a future in congress, I can scarcely say enough good things about that young lady and I defy anyone else to. Bambi has no hold on Chelsea. No claim to her time. No right to insist that she do anything for him. She has a life of her own outside politics and a right to get back to it. She says she does not want to be a politican so for her this is a treadmill to oblivion.

  108. Here is a flash that has probably eluded that Harvard trained brain of his. The Clinton supporters who were inclined to support the democratic nominee whoever it is have already moved and the number is not as high as the polling data suggests. If it is more than 40% I would be suprised. The Hillary endorsment did that. If barack was not so damned lazy he would reach out himself as Sheila Jackson Lee suggested before he gave her one of the brush offs to women which he is famous for. The remaining group is pretty hard core anti obama, which means it will take more than a good word from Hill or Bill to turn that tide. But if they saw Hillary is in a position of real inflence independent of Bambi like Senate Majority Leader they might change their mind on Bambi. Food for thought. In the meantime I have been thinking about the real problem Bambi is facing and that is that the Invesco Stadium in Denver may not be big enough to accomodate all the lookie lous who want to tell their friends and loved ones that they were there for the fist coronation in American history. And because I sympathize with the plight–his and theirs I have proposed a change of venue whereby the coronation ceremony will be moved to the largest castle in Rheims France where for centuries French kings were officially crowned. If Mish approves then I am quite sure Soros would provide transportation meals and entertainment good fellow that he is.

  109. wbboei

    great idea – coronation at Rheims..seeing as they will all be in Europe, why not kill two birds with one stone and stop by the Vatican to begin the canonization process. i think you’re supposed to be dead for a number of years prior to this, but i am sure the pope would make an exception in B-HO’s case.

  110. Read where most Christian groups and Biblical scholars believe that BHO is the BEAST (MO the Beauty?) who ushers in the AntiChrist. Makes sense to me. After all Kim is now endorsing as well as every other rogue nation/terrorist regime on the planet.

    So….that makes us all…sitting ducks. Quack Quack (except for BHO it’s Crack Crack).

  111. Left Behind Series interesting read regardless of beliefs. Fiction for some, non-fiction for others. Would be interesting to track the percentages/statistics on that in the coming decade. Er…….or maybe seven years……at the rate this thing is developing.

  112. As a young, curious Christian some thirty years ago, read Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth and Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth, some of his earliest – now many, many others. Remember re-reading paragraphs over and over thinking – say what? Not in jest, but to make sure I understood and took it all in (ADHD I suppose). Regardless of belief system – for those who like to keep an OPEN MIND about the possiblilities, eerily thought-provoking. In studying religions in general, lots to learn. There I go again, clinging to my guns and religion with my typical white self.

    Since BHO’s ROBOTIC followers like to think of themselves as so openly-minded, maybe they should take a glimpse or two, delving into what they would view as science fiction. I mean, if they are so embracing of Scientology and other Space Age thinking, why not? Just borrow the Tin Man’s oil lubricant for that metal brain of theirs.

  113. I think everyone who rec’d an email from the DNC/waffles camps should contact their respective state gambling authorities with a complaint about the solicitation. It is absolutely delicious the number of gambling laws they broke with that ill concieved missive.

  114. The lying never stops

    Obama Ad Distorts His Record

    Monday, July 7, 2008 3:02 PM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

    The campaign of 2008 started on July 1 when Obama launched his first national advertising buy of the season.

    How McCain responds and whether or not he does, will have a big impact in determining whether Obama can solidify or expand his current lead in the polls. As always, the media fails to cover the significant events of the campaign — but this is one of the most critical.

    The Obama ad, which introduces him as someone who worked his way through college, fights for American jobs, and battles for healthcare also seeks to move him to the center by taking credit for welfare reform in Illinois which, the ad proclaims, reduced the rolls by 80 percent.

    But there’s one problem — Obama opposed the 1996 welfare reform act at the time. The Illinois law for which he takes credit was merely the local implementing law the state was required to pass, and it did, almost unanimously. Obama’s implication, that he backed “moving people from welfare to work,” is just not true.

    With Obama running the ad in all the swing states (Alaska, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia), this gross usurpation of credit affords the McCain campaign an incredible opportunity for rebuttal.

    For the past two weeks, Obama has moved quickly toward the center. He has reversed his previous positions for gun control, against using faith based institutions to deliver public services, against immunity for tele-communications companies that turn records over to the government in terror investigations, for raising Social Security taxes, for imposing the Fairness Doctrine on talk radio, and a host of other issues.

    McCain has watched passively as his rival repositions himself for November. Indeed, he has watched from afar as he took the time out to travel to Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil, even though they have no electoral votes.

    But now, there is a heaven-sent opportunity for McCain to strike.

    In his effort to move to the center, Obama has distorted his own record, meager though it may be, and is taking credit for a program he strongly opposed. McCain should immediately run an ad in all of the states in which his opponent is advertising setting forth the facts and explaining Obama’s distortion.

    A good tag line for the ad would be: “John McCain: when you have real experience, you don’t need to exaggerate.” But, if McCain doesn’t answer, or just replies with his own positive ad, he will let Obama move to the center, a key mistake from which he may never recover.

    If Obama can hold his 5-10 point lead until the conventions, he will have set in place a pattern that will be very hard to change. With his new ad, Obama could even elevate his lead to double digits.

    On the other hand, if McCain calls him on his distortion, he can do grave damage to Obama on three fronts: credibility, centrism, and experience.

    By catching Obama, he can undermine the effectiveness of any subsequent ads the Democrat runs. By showing that he opposed welfare reform, McCain can do much to force Obama back to the left and cast doubt on his efforts to move to the middle. And by emphasizing Obama’s limited experience, he can strike at a soft spot — made softer by Hillary’s attacks in the primary.

    The move is right there for McCain. Now lets see how good his campaign really is.

    © 2008 Dick Morris & Eileen McGann

  115. Henry: I don’t think, the lottery is any different than what McCain or Hillary have done. For example, if you donate before x time, win a space at the debate or on the Straight Talk Express.

  116. alcina: then it is agreed. Rheims it is. I have it on good authority his passport is about to expire. Right after his trip abroad begins. So why not let that happen and not him back in the country until he can produce a valid birth certificate, veified by Larry Johnson. Given Larry’s CIA background I have no doubt he would look out for the security interests of this nation and deny him entry.

  117. Tuesday: Phoning it in
    Posted on July 8, 2008 by garychapelhill
    Barack Obama was supposed to attend a fund raiser in Charlotte last night, but due to “mechanical problems” his plane was diverted to St. Louis. Call me skeptical, but this seems a little fishy to me. Was there not any other plane to get Sen. Obama to Charlotte from St. Louis? Maybe he was just too tired and wanted to get his ego stroked by his good buddy Claire.

    Regardless of the reason, Obama didn’t decide to reschedule, appear late, or cancel the event (and give up the money? Never!). So in typical Obama fashion he phoned it in. And if the speech he gave is any indication, downticket Dems have much to be worried about. See, this function was about them. He was supposed to be there for Senate candidate Kay Hagan, and Gubernatorial candidate Bev Perdue. They need a strong candidate at the top of the ticket to help them get elected. I think they have a lot to be worried about. From Obama’s “phone speech”:

    Finally I want to make sure that I acknowledge Lieutenant Governor Bedford who was going to be the next Governor of North Carolina. She is running an outstanding race and I think she’s going to have a chance to address all of you before this thing is over.

    Yeah, just one small problem with that. Her name is not Bedford. It is Beverly Perdue. And she “was” going to be the next governor? Oh, she “was” going to be the next governor until you became the presumptuous nominee! I’m sure Ms. Perdue was thrilled by that blunder. Several months ago I would have said she was a shoe-in to win. Not any more. This is going to be a disastrous year for Democrats, and if by some cruel twist of fate we end up with Obama as President, I am afraid we can only expect four more years of “phoning it in”.

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

  118. Go to Alegre’s Corner!
    Posted on July 7, 2008 by myiq2xu
    Alegre (who along with Anglachel and our own Riverdaughter are three of the scary-smartest bloggers in the entire blogosphere) has a new post up by “encore encore” that is a “MUST READ”

    Here’s a tidbit:

    Into this ’situation,’ comes Hillary Clinton, first credible female
    running for president of the greatest nation on earth, for now anyway,
    and a woman who ‘doesn’t get what the big deal is all about.’

    She followed the women in business model, which is to prepare first
    and then ask for the job. She presented what she would do, not what
    she is.

    To her great and naïve surprise she was told that her confidence,
    competence, enthusiasm, and enjoyment in campaigning was somehow
    ‘emasculating’ Barack.

    She was ‘too confident,’ plus ‘too competitive,’ and she made him look
    unprepared during those debates, by knowing all the answers, and
    having the best-crafted plans, and responding first to everything, and
    by ‘forcing’ the media to compare the two of them she somehow
    diminished him, which must have been what she really wanted to do all
    along, to emasculate, to castrate, to ruin, to withhold, to be a bad
    ‘mom’ who didn’t ‘need’ a man. In other words she didn’t pretend he
    had the phallus, and she didn’t even seem to know she was supposed to.

    So go read it already!

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

  119. The more I read Dick Morris punditry the more convince Hillary Clinton made him look good. Dick Morris don’t know crap.

    I’m in the group that thinks McCain is running a brilliant campaign by NOT doing what the Democrats and Team Obama thought he would do…McCain is firming up and expanding his base. While letting Obama actions speak for themselves and Obama is defining himself as a “Typical Corrupted Chicago” Politician.

    I don’t think the Democrats thought they would be in this position of being virtually TIED with McCain and a SPLIT party a month away from the CORONATION of Obambi.

    To all us Hillary Supporters, let me repeat this again, the Republicans are not going to help the Democrats out of their mess and they certainly are not going to help the “better candidate” win the Democratic? Taliban Party nomination. I don’t see the Republicans getting off of defense until after the Dems Coronation.

    They are not going to become a shield for Obama’s self-inflicting wounds.

  120. wbboei Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 2:54 am

    PS. I heard 7 sds switched to Hillary today.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    WHAT???

  121. Hi guys.
    As you know we’re rolling out Real Democrats officially in a few days.
    This is a grassroots initiative “Taking back our party…one neighborhood at a time”. We are organizing local groups in 50 states to inform the American people about the record of BO. We are taking direct action in local communities–mailing postcards, stuffling mailboxes, visibility events–the whole deal.

    WE NEED YOUR HELP!
    Sign up by sending us an email-name, city, zip, phone and how many years you’ve been a democrat.
    Send to: state abbreviation@RealDemocratsUSA.org (i.e. New Yorkers send to NY@RealDemocratsUSA.org, Californians send to CA@RealDemocratsUSA.org

    We are members of JSND and PUMA–we hope to be the ‘ground force’ for their efforts. Please spread the word and JOIN!!!!

  122. Carbynew I believe Morris is a closet supporter of Obama. What should we call that phenomeon? There must be a word for it. No not double agent. I know–a clyburn.

    But isnt the larger point here that this is far more than Morris makes of it, i.e. a distortion of his record? Isn’t it in fact a goodam lie? And if he would lie as a presidential candidate, isnt it likely that he would lie as a president as well –assuming he became president? And if main stream media is not willing to put the issue of Obamas lying on the table now when he is merely a presidential candidate why should we believe they would be anymore diligent in policing his chronic and habitual lapses in truth if he ascended to that high station.

    Imagine that–a president who makes a habit of lying (worse than bush) and those vaunted media watchdogs, the creme of the fourth estate sit there like fido wagging their proverbial tails not calling him on it, and blathering on about how wonderful he is. And he says sit fido. And they sit. Speak he says. And they bark. Sure makes you want your son or daughter to pursue a career in jounalism doesnt it?

  123. If the DEMOCRATS want to WIN in NOVEMBER the SDs need to vote for HILLARY CLINTON at the CONVENTION….oops I mean the CORONATION for KING OBAMA.

    Oh well, then the SDs better start shifting over to HILLARY CLINTON and vote for her in AUGUST before it’s too late and the DEMOCRATS LOSE the CONGRESS.

    Because if the MSM keep pushing the propaganda that King Obama is garanteed the presidency…then people are going to counter balance him with splitting the power with the REPUBLICANS in CONGRESS. Since Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi have worse #s then GWB it would only take a couple of seats in the Senate and one or two election cycles to take back the house from the DEMS because our WEAK ASS DEMOCRATIC? Taliban Party LEADERS have LOST THEIR CREDIBILITY and the PUBLIC TRUST.

  124. More Disenchantment with “Their Candidate”

    Bob Herbert too wonders how much flip-flopping Obama can get away with…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    Here’s the whole deal, for your convenience:

    Lurching With Abandon
    By BOB HERBERT
    Published: July 8, 2008

    In one of the numbers from “Fiddler on the Roof,” Tevye sings, with a mixture of emotions: “We haven’t got the man … we had when we began.”

    Back in January when Barack Obama pulled off his stunning win in the Iowa caucuses, and people were lining up in the cold and snow for hours just to get a glimpse of him, there was a wide and growing belief — encouraged to the max by the candidate — that something new in American politics had arrived.

    His brilliant, nationally televised victory speech in Des Moines sent a shiver of hope through much of the electorate. “The time has come for a president who will be honest about the choices and the challenges we face,” said Senator Obama, “who will listen to you and learn from you, even when we disagree, who won’t just tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to know.”

    Only an idiot would think or hope that a politician going through the crucible of a presidential campaign could hold fast to every position, steer clear of the stumbling blocks of nuance and never make a mistake. But Barack Obama went out of his way to create the impression that he was a new kind of political leader — more honest, less cynical and less relentlessly calculating than most.

    You would be able to listen to him without worrying about what the meaning of “is” is.

    This is why so many of Senator Obama’s strongest supporters are uneasy, upset, dismayed and even angry at the candidate who is now emerging in the bright light of summer.

    One issue or another might not have made much difference. Tacking toward the center in a general election is as common as kissing babies in a campaign, and lord knows the Democrats need to expand their coalition.

    But Senator Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He’s lurching right when it suits him, and he’s zigging with the kind of reckless abandon that’s guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whiplash.

    So there he was in Zanesville, Ohio, pandering to evangelicals by promising not just to maintain the Bush program of investing taxpayer dollars in religious-based initiatives, but to expand it. Separation of church and state? Forget about it.

    And there he was, in the midst of an election campaign in which the makeup of the Supreme Court is as important as it has ever been, agreeing with Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas that the death penalty could be imposed for crimes other than murder. What was the man thinking?

    Thankfully, a majority on the court left the barbaric Scalia-Thomas-Obama (and John McCain) reasoning behind and held that capital punishment would apply only to homicides.

    “What’s he doing?” is the most common question heard recently from Obama supporters.

    For one thing, he’s taking his base for granted, apparently believing that such stalwart supporters as blacks, progressives and pumped-up younger voters will be with him no matter what. A taste of the backlash this can produce erupted on the candidate’s own Web site.

    Thousands of Obama supporters flooded the site with protests over his decision to support an electronic surveillance bill that gives retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. The senator had previously promised to filibuster the bill if it contained the immunity clause.

    There has been a reluctance among blacks to openly criticize Senator Obama, the first black candidate with a real shot at the presidency. But behind the scenes, there is discontent among African-Americans, as well, over Mr. Obama’s move away from progressive issues, including his support of the Supreme Court’s decision affirming the constitutional right of individuals to bear arms.

    There’s even concern that he’s doing the Obama two-step on the issue that has been the cornerstone of his campaign: his opposition to the war in Iraq. But the senator denied that any significant change should be inferred from his comment that he would “continue to refine” his policy on the war.

    Mr. Obama is betting that in the long run none of this will matter, that the most important thing is winning the White House, that his staunchest supporters (horrified at the very idea of a President McCain) will be there when he needs them.

    He seems to believe that his shifts and twists and clever panders — as opposed to bold, principled leadership on important matters — will entice large numbers of independent and conservative voters to climb off the fence and run into his yard.

    Maybe. But that’s a very dangerous game for a man who first turned voters on by presenting himself as someone who was different, who wouldn’t engage in the terminal emptiness of politics as usual.

    Time flies and the Iowa caucuses seem a very long time ago.

  125. People had the rose colored glasses on in Iowa. They had continued to look the otherway, like a newly wed couple that just does not want to see.

    However the real committment comes in August, and November. Plenty of time for us to determine what is truely there.

    If you want to win, if the future of this country is truly important to you, then O had better closed the deal by August. Still have not seen any sign of that.

    SDs soon this candidate must prove he can significant move the Democrats, Independents and Repubublicans his way. The last shift was the other way. When is your drop dead date for closing the deal? You can only change this outcome in August when you vote. Money and ads did not with Hillary, so why will it work for McCain?

    Arrogants and Elitism repels people; it does not draw people. Humility and respect are concepts that O has yet to learn.

  126. LURKING…

    At “my favorite site”, ahem, http://www.mybarackobama.com (I never went there until today, to check in on the whole FISA thing), you can click on “groups” on the right hand side of the main page. Under Show Me Groups, you can select from:

    Groups that were created recently
    that were update recently
    with the most members
    with recent blog posts

    When you click on “Groups with the most members”, Number 1, weighing in with 21,388 members at this minute (there were like 12,000 a week ago, and like 18,000 a few days ago), is the one that is critical of him on his FISA betrayal, “Sen. Obama: Please Vote NO on Telecomm Immunity – Get FISA Right”. In second place at 14,000 members is ActionWire.

    The group 1,000,000 Americans for Obama, has 8,659 members, so it looks like they only need 991,341 new members to live up to their name.

    Also what’s cute on the main page, select “blog” from the top, and third window down on the right hand side is “Welcome Hillary Supporters”, where you can click on “Get Involved”.

    I AM involved…in making sure Obama gets returned to his roots as a community organizer.

  127. birdgal
    Hillary’s and McCains both contained the option of entering without making a contribution. waffles does not. ergo it is internet gambling.

  128. The following blog appears at hireheels. Admin could you transfer over the video because it is really excellent.

    The writer was threatened by obamites, and I mentioned this to the newspaper because it is a recurring phenomenon. The reporter said these were just nut cases. I told her that was a cop out. Campaigns run on adrenelin. Competition is a natural part of the process. Leaders know this and they set parameters. In doing so they define the culture of the campaign. The delusional bile that has poured out of every corner of the obama campaign from mcpeak to powers to these little street thugs is a testimony to his failure to set partameters. A leader must tell his or her troops not only what he stands for but just as much what he will not stand for. Obama is no leader/
    ———————————————-
    2 baptisms, a wedding & a funeral
    Posted on May 18th, 2008 in Princess Wears Prada by hireheels
    (actually 3 funerals – but I’ll get to that)

    While lying awake at 1:13 am, I started thinking about what I could say to the superheroes – I mean superdelegates – to make them see what I see, hear what I hear, feel what I feel…and ultimately convince them that the female candidate happens to be the strongest Democrat in the race. Heck they’ve heard it all by now;or have they?

    If you’re not willing to consider the strengths, experience and fortitude of Hillary Clinton against John McCain in your decision making, are you instead willing to pin our country’s fragile future on the hope that Senator Obama and his ominous history with Trinity Church of Christ will not come back to bite you in the ass?

    Ask yourself: Do you sincerely believe that Barack Obama (or his wife for that matter) is not at all influenced by Reverend Jeremiah Wright – even though his book and its title are inspired by the man and his sermons?Are you comfortable knowing that Obama continues to support and attend a church that views America through a “Black Liberation Theology” lens?

    I am not the most pious princess, but I did go attend church the Sunday after 9-11. Are you sure Obama was not in Trinity that day? And even if he weren’t…and even if Wright’s anti-American rant were an isolated case, how could he not have heard about such a radical sermon on a day when even some agnostics attended religious services? Do you accept that he stayed with Trinity, even after Reverend Wright’s rant on September 16 immediately following the attacks on our country?

    Does it make sense to you that he’d baptize his two precious girls there and can you imagine introducing such radical views into your own children’s impressionable universe?

    Lastly, have you heard of Trinity’s three murdered gay, black male congregants in the span of 40 days a few months back? Be sure to check holy gay choir boy and pray that the allegation of phone records held by the Chicago P.D. is false.Bottom line: I’m not here to remind you of Reverend Wright. You’ve seen enough of him to haunt your consciousness in perpetuity (if not, I recommend hireheels’ exclusive Tale of Two Trinities video

    I am simply here to ask if you are willing to pre-judge the country’s temperature and calculate how it will react to the GOP’s regurgitation of Trinity’s 2 Baptisms, A Wedding & A Funeral.

    Because if you’re not sure, I ask only that you take a second look at our former first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Can you be sure she will fight for everyone in this country? I can. Can you be sure she loves this country and has served it her entire adult life? I can. Can you be sure she has been vetted ad infinitum? I can. Can you be sure that she has withstood endless and withering attacks by the GOP – only to stand stronger than ever? I can.

    Don’t listen to me. I am one blogger. I am one woman. I am one tired chic!

    Listen to yourself and that your God-given or life-toughened gut. Then, and only then, make your decision.

  129. LET’S PRETEND YOU MATTER…

    It seems the DNC and Obama now want us to think that our input matters. They want us to provide input into the party platform.

    Why should we believe that Obama would listen to the party’s platform, when he won’t even listen to Obama from two months ago?

    Obama does the “word” thing and “symbol” thing, but it’s all just empty rhetoric used to propel him forward in his career. Does he really care about reproductive rights, or the environment, FISA, yadda yadda? Hmmm, I don’t think so.

    Here’s the link from cqpolitics.com:

    hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATIC_PLATFORM?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  130. At the mention of anybody accepting V.P. under BHO, all I can think of is the scene in the movie DAVE when the veep played by Ben Kingsley comes home after having been sent on an extended tour of far off tribal villages to get him out of the way.

    At the mention of the stadium, all I can think of is the torchlight rally for der Fuhrer at Nuremberg – sieg heil!

    At the mention of BHO’s upcoming trip to Germany, I keep thinking they’d better dress him in a bullet-proof suit and helmet – neo-nazis won’t appreciate this new Fuhrer.

    On the other hand when I hear mention of BHO and The White House, I draw a blank – just can’t picture it. I wonder if he plans to move it to Chicago?

  131. So what are the milestones the O should perform to. It looks right now that you win the red state Iowa caucus somehow, and the red states big, and we are good to go.

    The blue state will fall in line. Interesting, but the AOL polling last week ended with a 62% McCain, 38% O. This poll is completely ignored. It has gone froma 12 % to a 22% to a 24% win for McCain. The poll has started over again. They say this is a Republican poll, but the trend has to show something. In addition, if you are computerized, and close to 1/2 million people voted in the last poll before they shut it off, to me it indicates you will vote.

    So how long do you believe the Demo structured Polls. If you see the edge of the cliff, it is now time to divert.

  132. RGB44: actually, it was 8. Here is the comment from Hireheels:

    SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on July 6th, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Evening hireheels crew… ooohhh… i just heard a very tantalizing tidbit from one our peeps who’s way in the know… seems like shifty has given the shaft to way too many promises and the super d’s are starting to question his viability or electability for that matter… Eight have declared their independence from the Kool-aid over this past weekend and have gone our gal’s way!!! Pass it on.

  133. Webb to Bambi: its not no> its hell no>see paragraph 4

    They’re Dropping Like Flies…
    Posted on July 7th, 2008 by everyvotecounts
    http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_Senator_Webb_rules_out_Obama_VP__07072008.html

    Virginia Senator Jim Webb, a gruff marine veteran and military expert with blue collar appeal, on Monday definitively ruled out serving as Barack Obama’s Democratic vice presidential running mate.

    Webb, who could have brought national security heft to Obama’s ticket, and may have been able to help deliver his home swing-state to the Illinois Democrat’s column, said he owed it to his constituents to stay put.

    “Last week I communicated to Senator Obama and his presidential campaign my firm intention to remain in the United States Senate, where I believe I am best equipped to serve the people of Virginia and this country,” Webb said in a statement.

    “Under no circumstances will I be a candidate for Vice President,” he said, though vowed to proudly campaign for Obama who is gearing up to take on Republican John McCain in the general election.

    The plain-spoken Webb was seen as one of the favorites for the vice presidential nod, in that he would have balanced Obama’s comparative inexperience and is an expert on military affairs and national security.

    Other possible Democratic running mates include Obama’s vanquished party rival Hillary Clinton, Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware, Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell.

  134. Jen the Michigander Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Isn’t today the day they’re voting on FISA? Does anyone know what happened?
    ===============

    I hope HIllary voted “present”!

    g,d,r

  135. Earth to Obama–Webb says no deal and it is not just no but hell no see paragraph 4
    ——————————————————————–
    They’re Dropping Like Flies…
    Posted on July 7th, 2008 by everyvotecounts
    http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_Senator_Webb_rules_out_Obama_VP__07072008.html

    Virginia Senator Jim Webb, a gruff marine veteran and military expert with blue collar appeal, on Monday definitively ruled out serving as Barack Obama’s Democratic vice presidential running mate.

    Webb, who could have brought national security heft to Obama’s ticket, and may have been able to help deliver his home swing-state to the Illinois Democrat’s column, said he owed it to his constituents to stay put.

    “Last week I communicated to Senator Obama and his presidential campaign my firm intention to remain in the United States Senate, where I believe I am best equipped to serve the people of Virginia and this country,” Webb said in a statement.

    “Under no circumstances will I be a candidate for Vice President,” he said, though vowed to proudly campaign for Obama who is gearing up to take on Republican John McCain in the general election.

    The plain-spoken Webb was seen as one of the favorites for the vice presidential nod, in that he would have balanced Obama’s comparative inexperience and is an expert on military affairs and national security.

  136. wbboei Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    I have it on good authority his passport is about to expire. Right after his trip abroad begins. So why not let that happen and not him back in the country until he can produce a valid birth certificate, veified by Larry Johnson. Given Larry’s CIA background I have no doubt he would look out for the security interests of this nation and deny him entry.
    ==================================

    ROFL!

  137. wbboei said:
    The Clinton supporters who were inclined to support the democratic nominee whoever it is have already moved and the number is not as high as the polling data suggests. If it is more than 40% I would be suprised. The Hillary endorsment did that.
    ===========================

    Makes sense. And worth repeating from NQ, if the ‘registered Dems’ were being polled and showing a high PERCENT for Obama, that would be among the Dems left after a lot of HIllary supporters re-registered as Ind or GOP.

    So the fact that those still registered as Dems are still not supporting him … is bad news. 🙂

  138. wbboei Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 3:34 am
    1950democrat: I think it would be a mistake for Hillary to accept the Vice President position. Obama cannot be trusted, and if he gave a commitment there would be no enforceable remedy for breach. Given the way he has treated Hillary and her supporters since the dnc made him the presumptive nominee there is no reason to believe he would treat her any different if he was in his cabinet. That is the fundamental problem.
    ———————————————————-

    Thanks for putting it better than I did.

    But even under an honorable Dem President, I don’t see VP or Cabinet being better than her next few years in the Senate. Even if she doesn’t negotiate a quick Majority Leader position — as the NY Mag interviewer said, she’s going back as an extremely powerful Senator, with 18 million votes behind her.

  139. So maybe writing SDs is still worthwhile…

    Lifted from bitterpoliticz:
    TriciaNC // July 8, 2008 at 10:26 am

    lol that the CTA is to write SDs. I just mentioned that on the other thread this morning.

    I just wanted to say though that I was listening to radio this morning and a SD here in NC who was waiting for *61 said that we are uniting. I didn’t catch her name but she said she used to get 75 emails a day and now she’ll get one or so every couple of days.

    And she was for Hillary.

    PLEASE also copy the NC SDs ON YOUR EMAILS so we can get this one that is IGNORING AND FORGETTING us.

    This space left blank for wwobei to insert something about the Red Queen’s Race.

  140. Barack Obama’s Questionable Money Trail

    blog.unheardamericanvoices.com/2008/07/08/barack-obamas-questionable-money-trail—by-thia-levy.aspx

  141. Geraldine Ferraro on FOX – says the roll call vote should be done just to show respect for Hillary’s historic campaign, the 18 million, and the women who supported her, says Hillary has been a gracious loser and how Obama should be a gracious winner and show her that respect.

  142. pipster // July 8, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    S Hall // July 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    hillis44 // July 8, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    One of the reasons they may be doing this is that it will limit the ability of the Clinton supporters to mount an effective dissent. In a closed setting like the convention center, the supporters are divided about 50/50, and those who don’t support Obama would have their voices magnified. Partly, this is due to acoustics. The voices will, quite literally, be magnified, and make the opposition seem greater. By moving it to Invesco field, they can stack the crowd with loyalists. It also wouldn’t surprise me if they had a rock band as a warm up act to draw the crowds in like they did in Portland.

    See this following:

    The Wall Street Journal is reporting on negotiations for Hillary roll call.

    http://tinyurl.com/6nuvtb

    Dropping the roll call would require a vote by the delegates, and would need choreographing to prevent any protests by disappointed Clinton delegates. But an unanimous nomination of Sen. Obama would send the message that he had unified the party, while allowing Sen. Clinton to ingratiate herself with his campaign.

    The problem is “there’s a strong feeling” that Sen. Clinton’s delegates need the chance to vote for her, Mr. Devine said. Many are still angry with a party decision that they feel deprived her of delegates from Michigan and Florida. “You don’t want a situation where anybody feels they’ve been cheated,” he said.

    A second option would be for Sen. Clinton to be nominated, complete with laudatory speeches and happy floor demonstrations. By prearrangement, Sen. Clinton then would take her name out of consideration and endorse Sen. Obama’s nomination.

    “There’s nothing symbolically wrong to putting her name in,” followed by a scripted withdrawal, said Ms. Brazile. But the spectacle of a rapturous welcome for Sen. Clinton would be irresistible to television and could embarrass Sen. Obama.

  143. # wbboei Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    RGB44: actually, it was 8. Here is the comment from Hireheels:

    Eight (SDs) have declared their independence from the Kool-aid over this past weekend and have gone our gal’s way!!! Pass it on.
    &&&&

    Wow. Think about it. From a candidate who is “supposedly ahead”, for whom some at this point are calling it a cake walk, who has just announced plans for an even grander Home Coming Day Parade in a football stadium (how many jock references can we wring out of that?), this can hardly be seen as a ringing vote of confidence.

    Isn’t he, with all the help of the Dem leadership, including both Clintons (thank God that Chelsea hasn’t been submitted to the apology torture like Mom and Dad have), supposed to be reaching out to all the wayward sheep, the Clintonistas who have wandered off the ranch???

    These are probably SDs whose constituents they’d like to take into consideration…as compared to the SDs who sold out their constituents for favors (Caroline will be your veep if I delivah you the Honorable state of Massachussetts).

    I’m curious, might anyone know if these were undecideds finally making a decision, or Obama voters coming to their senses?

  144. Will There Be A Roll Call For Hillary Clinton

    One of the reasons they may be doing this is that it will limit the ability of the Clinton supporters to mount an effective dissent. In a closed setting like the convention center, the supporters are divided about 50/50, and those who don’t support Obama would have their voices magnified. Partly, this is due to acoustics. The voices will, quite literally, be magnified, and make the opposition seem greater. By moving it to Invesco field, they can stack the crowd with loyalists. It also wouldn’t surprise me if they had a rock band as a warm up act to draw the crowds in like they did in Portland.

    See this following:

    The Wall Street Journal is reporting on negotiations for Hillary roll call.

    tinyurl.com/6nuvtb

    Dropping the roll call would require a vote by the delegates, and would need choreographing to prevent any protests by disappointed Clinton delegates. But an unanimous nomination of Sen. Obama would send the message that he had unified the party, while allowing Sen. Clinton to ingratiate herself with his campaign.

    The problem is “there’s a strong feeling” that Sen. Clinton’s delegates need the chance to vote for her, Mr. Devine said. Many are still angry with a party decision that they feel deprived her of delegates from Michigan and Florida. “You don’t want a situation where anybody feels they’ve been cheated,” he said.

    A second option would be for Sen. Clinton to be nominated, complete with laudatory speeches and happy floor demonstrations. By prearrangement, Sen. Clinton then would take her name out of consideration and endorse Sen. Obama’s nomination.

    “There’s nothing symbolically wrong to putting her name in,” followed by a scripted withdrawal, said Ms. Brazile. But the spectacle of a rapturous welcome for Sen. Clinton would be irresistible to television and could embarrass Sen. Obama.

  145. Remember in Alice in Wonderland the Red Queen who had a race where you had to keep running just to stay in the same place?

    Lifted from bitterpoliticz:
    July 8, 2008 at 10:26 am
    I was listening to radio this morning and a SD here in NC … said that we are uniting. I didn’t catch her name but she said she used to get 75 emails a day and now she’ll get one or so every couple of days.

    And she was for Hillary.

    PLEASE also copy the NC SDs ON YOUR EMAILS so we can get this one that is IGNORING AND FORGETTING us.

  146. The fact that Bambi and his supporters feel so threatened by a roll call vote speaks volumes. Obviously, Hillary is still very much a force to be reckoned with, as are the people who continue to support her. Whether he admits it or not, bHo knows he is still running against Hillary. And at the same time, he’s running against McCain too, of course.

  147. I do not think there is any way out of the trap the dnc has created for itself here. We do not need a scripted withdrawal. We need an honest vote and let the chips fall where they may. It is called democracy. The perverse variant obama wants is called dictatorship. The latter will not achieve unity and will doom the party in the fall. This has been a corrupt process, and a vote for obama would ratify it for all posterity.

  148. If they leave Hillary off the ballot, no roll call, then that makes her people more angry and more likely to vote for McCain.

    If they have an honest roll call, then things can get messy.

    If they could manage a rigged roll call — would they be so determined to prevent it?

  149. Henry: That is good news. Maybe, they’ll start checking out the legality of his fund raising, political tactics, etc.

  150. birdgal
    doubtful
    but can’t all of us who rec’d the solicitation file a complaint with respective state AG’s? Could make some noise, even though I read the crime is only a misdeameanor.

  151. 1950democrat: if I were Hillary I would let Bambi remain on the horns of the dilemma you pose–
    no name on ballot (which will antagonize supporters) vs. roll call (lose control). There is no way I would accept this middle ground position of a rigged roll call (roll call and graciously concede). That option solves Bambi’s problem at the expense of hers because it will not sit well with her supporters. The only way it might work is if there was a specific, tangible and immediate quid pro quo of power not money similar to what I mentioned yesterday, i.e. Majority Leader. Not Vice President.

    Speaking of Vice President you saw that Webb declined the offer emphatically. I tried to post under the heading earth to bambi nobody wants you but for some reason it did not take/

  152. I would imagine Webb’s refusal to accept the Vice Presidency will go down especially hard with Taylor Marsh who now supports bambi and has always supported Webb. I wonder if she is perceptive enough to wonder why a true leader like Jim is unwilling to jump on the hopiumoblile as deftly as she did after Hillary was forced to endorse him by party elders.

  153. a to z no to obama

    A- Ayers William
    B- bittergate
    C-caucas fraud,
    D- Dohrn bernadett
    E- Energy policy
    F- fingergate
    G-
    H- health care
    I- “i Got 99 problems but that b*tch ain’t one of them”
    J-
    k-
    l-
    m- michelle obama
    n- nafta
    o-
    p
    q
    r- rezko
    s- states the correct number
    t-
    u-
    v
    w- rev Jeremiah wright
    x- xenophopia see bittergate
    y- youth and inexperience
    z- zero experience

  154. henry Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    a to z no to obama

    B – birth certificate
    D – (dreadful) debate performances
    F – FISA
    I – Invesco Stadium-gate
    L – leadership (lack of),
    liar
    M – misogyny
    P – “present votes”, pandering,
    press conference no-show, politics of divisiveness
    R – racism
    S – Sinclair (Larry)
    T – troop withdrawl flip-flop
    W – waffles/waffling/waffle iron

  155. wwboei,

    Agreed on all. Sen Maj Leader is real power, which they could not take back later (assuming they didn’t renege earlier). And that could be a good combination: Pres McCain and SML Hillary. Could do some cleaning up even before Pres Hillary takes office in 2012.

    I feel sorry for people like Taylor Marsh and some of her regulars, such as Scan. So much angst, so quick to jump, then more angst. — So much attachment to words: ‘Democrat’, ‘Republican’. I offered to change my posting name there to ‘Flakey Independent’ but she didn’t take me up on it. 🙂

  156. m=monster gate

    u=ungracious “winner”

    p=panderer; pandering

    g-gun control reversal

    d=divisive

    f=flip-flop, flim-flam

  157. Jen — you made me laugh out loud for which I thank you after a horrible week but it did my cracked ribs no good.

    The line was about Obama picking an illegal alien for VP because no American will take the job.

    Would it not make a big splash if we had a Hillary day where we all contributed a tiny amount to her?
    I’m thinking $5 — it would come out of my food money at this point — but just enough to show she still has support. Could we get a massive response?

  158. Headline at ABC:

    Obama Family goes Hollywood;

    Allow young daughters to participate in TV interview. Obama Girls dish about ’08 race. the oldest says it was so cool to see her mom in People Mag, where the news is often about how much the stars clothes cost . . . (paraphrasing)

    The interview is on Access Hollywood.
    I really do beleive i’m going to be ill. 🙁

  159. basil9 Says:

    July 7th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
    B. Merryfield,

    Where is all the Rezko stuff, the Pringle articles?????

    All the Rezko and Pringle articles are still posted at RW but they were all imported, comments and all, to the new blog. Two for the price of one!

  160. B – BMbias
    E – ego
    G – traitorGore
    K – traitorKennedyKerry
    M – matthews-tingle
    N – nutcracker
    P – traitorPelosi
    R – racecard
    S – SOTU snub
    T – timmeh

  161. Blue,

    Taylor Marsh quotes Gail Sheehy’s August Vanity Fair article:
    “Later that month Bill Clinton let it be known, through anonymous friends who talked to Time magazine and The New York Times, that “if she’s not going to be the nominee, then [Bill] wants her in the second spot.” ABC News’s chief Washington correspondent, George Stephanopoulos, reported that Bill believed his wife had “earned the offer of vice president.” ”

    Taylor’s comment:
    Anonymous friends of Bill Clinton? Having covered Clinton for the last eighteen months, I learned long ago to not buy into any blind, anonymous, once removed, an adviser said, a close Clinton confidant told me, on condition on anonymity quotes that reveal anything at all revelatory, let alone something as important as “Bill believed his wife had ‘earned the offer of vice president.’” No matter the respect of the reporter writer the tale, most of this stuff turns out to be untrue.
    That said, there is a huge amount of truth in the substance of that particular Bill quote, anonymous or not, because many Clinton supporters agree with it, so how could WJC not? After winning 17 million votes, finishing stronger than the nominee, with a voting base he doesn’t have, why wouldn’t Senator Obama seriously consider Hillary Clinton as his top choice as running mate?

    Hitting SEnd before my computer freaks out…

  162. continuing….

    Taylor had a good long entry about anonymous sources earlier in the campaign, too.

    As for ‘truth in the substance,’ sure Hillary deserves to have the OFFER. But how is that to say that she WANTS to be VP, or that BILL wants her to?

    Trouble is, that Hillary has said she would take it if necessary as a favor to the party, though she doesn’t want it. So too much publicl ‘push’ for this might result in Obama having to offer it and HIllry having to take it — much to her detriment.

  163. Bambi’s egomania is so Bush-lite, it makes me want to throw up…
    ———————————————–

    Bambi’s grandstanding plan is causing headache for German government.

    Barack Obama’s Berlin visit sparks German diplomatic row

    Berlin, a city torn apart by war, is the perfect setting for an American president preaching peace. Ronald Reagan famously stood metres away from the Brandenburg Gate and called on the Soviet Union to tear down the Wall dividing Europe. And President Kennedy used a Cold War visit to the once and future German capital to declare: “ich bin ein Berliner!”

    Now Barack Obama, the presidential candidate, wants to grandstand there too. But a simmering row between the German Government and the local Berlin authorities could rob the Democratic politician of a photogenic moment at the Brandenburg Gate and derail his flagship tour of Europe this month.


    It is just a matter of the appropriate backdrop. Negotiations are underway between the Obama advance team and the office of the Berlin Mayor, Klaus Wowereit, to hold the speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate, close to the line that traces the route of the Berlin Wall. The newly built US embassy nestles alongside. So too does a museum honouring John F. Kennedy. If, as expected, Mr Obama is going to deliver a phrase in German (the insider tip is: “I can listen!” — “ich kann zuhoeren!”) and fling out his arms in the direction of Russia and Central Europe, then this surely is the place.

    But, say advisers to Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, it would be tantamount to giving the German stamp of approval to Mr Obama, an undue interference in the election campaign.

    “The Brandenburg Gate is the best known and most historically significant site in Germany,” said a Chancellery official, explaining why until now only elected presidents have been allowed to perform there.

    So the Government would dearly like Mr Obama to find another platform, perhaps the town hall in the district of Schoeneberg where Kennedy expressed his solidarity with West Berlin. Almost everywhere else in the capital has unfortunate historical associations; the Olympic Stadium (where Hitler was enraged by the success of the black athlete Jesse Owens in the 1936 Games) has, for example, been ruled out.

    Technically the decision lies with the Berlin Mayor, a flamboyant, openly gay Social Democrat, who quite relishes the idea of irritating the conservative Chancellor. The toing and froing between the various seats of power in Berlin is thus likely to continue until the last minute.

    The embarrassment in Berlin masks the fact that almost every corner of the German political establishment now, with varying degrees of openness, wants Obama to win. The press call it “Obamania”. The only reservations about Mr Obama are that he may be “too idealistic” — the Germans found it very difficult to deal with another Democratic idealist, Jimmy Carter — and that he may pay no more than lip service to the principles of free trade. But in most other respects he ticks every box in the checklist of Chancellor Merkel, who has already scheduled a meeting with the senator.

  164. 1950Democrat: have you noticed how big media minions have begun to refer to Hillary as the “defeated candidate” as Politico did today or as the “vanquished candidate as a New York Times affiliate did yesterday?

    If the truth mattered to them then they would refer Hillary instead as the “candidate who won the popular vote, the electroral map, the key congressional swing districts, the debates and the momentum at the end of the race, despite a hostile media, and being outspent five to one.

    But as we have seen time and again the truth does not matter. Who needs the truth when you have got a business agenda to pursue.

  165. freckles Says:
    Would it not make a big splash if we had a Hillary day where we all contributed a tiny amount to her?
    I’m thinking $5 — it would come out of my food money at this point — but just enough to show she still has support. Could we get a massive response?
    =======================================

    freckles,

    That sort of ‘money-bomb’ gets scheduled pretty often. SEe
    h t t p : / / heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

  166. 1950Democrat: I have theory about what really happened here. See if you agree.

    1. The DNC guided by the Dean Plan needed to pick the nominee eight (8) months before the general election, i.e. by early March, in order to properly coodinate implemenation efforts.

    2. By then Bambi had racked up 12 caucus state victories, thanks to the incompetence of Mark Penn and other factors. At that point it was reasonable to assume that he would win enough pledged delegates to win the nominaton.

    3. Therefore, the three stooges at the DNC met with the Kennedy cabal and others and agreed to put their weight behind him. But they did not tell the Clintons for fear of reprisal. Instead they let Hillary go on campaigning. In addition they let her continue soliciting funds on the innocent assumption that votes would matter.

    4. They quietly informed the heads of the Big Media outlets that Bambi would be the nominee. Orders went down through those organizations to promote Bambi for other reasons. Again this was in furtherance of the Dean Plan. And of course they told Bambi and a symbiotic relationship was formed to promote him and coordinate their attack on Hillary.

    5. Then the Reverend Wright story broke and Bambi began to sink. Hillary staged a comeback in Texas and Ohio. The race became competitive once more. Suddenly, the three stooges were in a quandry. They had secretly coronated Bambi but the voters were beginning to reject him along demographic lines.

    6. Hillary went to Pennsylvania and vigorously campaigned with Governor Rendell. Rendell, former head of the DNC, promoted Hillary and differentiated Bambi. Whereupon Bambi panicked and phoned Rendell. He told Rendell go easy on me because I will be the nominee. Rendell was surprised and reported this on Larry King Live.

    7. Then Bambi uttered his famous bitters comment. Thereafter, Hillary won Pennsylvania by a wide margin. Dodd, Kerry, Leahe and Richardson all called for Hillary to exit the race. Big Media echoed the same refrain. They claimed it was for party unity but the real purpose was to prevent the voters from undermining their clandestine decision.

    8. Hillary rejected those pleas and vowed to fight on so that ever voter would have a say. She also vowed to fight to ensure that the votes cast by Florida and Michigan were given full faith and credit. The three stooges were now in full panic mode. They thwarted efforts for a revote in concert with Bambi.

    9. They also realized that there was no way Bambi could achieve the required number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. Therefore, they changed their position on superdelegates, announced they were not bound by the will of their constituents and proceeded to pay them money or theaten them to support Bambi. Ed Koch warned about the former.

    10. When Hillary went to Indiana she Bambi claimed he would win the state. A poll taken a week before backed him up. Then a day before big media posted a poll that showed her winning big, and when she won narrowly they treated it like a loss. And when she lost North Carolina by a much lower margin than predicted Big Media declared Bambi the nominee.

    11. Hillary went on to win West Virginia by a blowout margin and Big Media dismissed it as racism and impugned he voters. They continued to play the race card against her for the balance of the campaign. She was winning the popular vote and Bambi was really tanking.

    12. Next came the Rules and Bylaws Committee. The DNC instructed the committee to striip delegates earned by Clinton in Michigan and award them to Clinton. The night before the hearing members knew about this and were overheard laughing about how the Hillary supporters would look standing out in the rain when the bad news came down. (Note: they never anticipated Harriet Christian however)

    12. Hillary went to South Dakota which she was not expected to win. All the party elites had supported Bambi. The press took an innocent comment she made against RFK and turned it into a death wish. They cast her not as the tenacious and determined heroine which she was but as a deranged villain in Fatal Attraction. And when the day of the vote came they published a false story that she would resign that evening in an effort to suppress voter turnout and deny her the popular vote. It did not work.

    13. The DNC used phony math to give him the victory. Neither candidate had enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. The superdelegates could not vote until the convention. Yet they stampeded the superdelegates to support him and added their unoffical votes to the official votes of the pledged delegates to declare him the winner.

    13. At the conclusion of the process she won the popular vote, the electroral map, the key congressional districts, the debates and the momentum. She appealed to the superdelegates to abide by their mandate to select the her because she was the most likely to win the general election. But they had been bought off.

    14. Then the powers that be insisted she end her camapign immediately. According to Wrangel there were threats to run candidates agiinst her supprters. What threats were made against her personally I do not know. What I do know is that forcing her to terminate her campaign and endorse her opponent was anti-democratic and without precedent.

    15. Summary and Implications: i) the DNC subsituted their judgment for that of the voters, ii) they declared the winner prematurely, iii) they allowed millions of campaign dollars to be solicited on the assumption that this was a competitive race when in fact it was not and iv) the superdelegates in Denver willl have one last opportunity to cure this problem. If the fail to do so no good will come of it.

  167. I have been invited to contribute $2300 to the Presidential Campaign of Bambi and to have my picture taken with the First Lady of Hate (RSVP).

    So I gave them a pithy response in the name of party unity. And, believe me I meant every word of it –only in the nicest way:

    “GO TO HELL! TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR LIST!”

    Yes, I know that was a rude overbearing and uncivilized response. But you see they are bots and there is no other way to get through to them.

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