Hillary Clinton, Flipper, And The Fourth Of July

Ah, July. The first weekend of July. The first Friday of July. Perfect day for flim-flammers and their schemes.

Friday is a preferred day for flim-flammers to “dump” news they want few people to pay attention to. The bonus for flim-flammers this year is that today is also a very big national holiday. It’s a flim-flammers holiday delight.

First and foremost though, today is America’s birthday.

So Happy Birthday America.

Happy Fourth of July to the wonderful and got-the-most-popular-votes Hillary Clinton – our nominee.

Happy Fourth of July to Hillary Supporters (especially those meeting and organizing to have a roll call vote at the August convention, those organizing for Women’s Equality Day on August 26, and those Hillary supporters at this site and other truth telling sites who are made of the stern stuff which characterized our Founding Fathers and Mothers).

And Happy Flim-Flam Day to Barack flip-flop-flim-flam Obama.

[Happy Fourth of July to Antoin “Tony” Rezko who may get his very own personal independence day by emulating Obama and “flipping”.]

Happy Fourth of July too to Professor (a real one, not a puffed up resume filler like you-know-who) Heidi Li Feldman and her efforts to fundraise for the wonderful Hillary Clinton (don’t forget to add 44 cents to your donations in order to let Hillary know we don’t want her held hostage anymore).

Happy Fourth of July to us here at Big Pink too. So much of what we wrote more than a year ago is still filtering into Big Media and making the denizens of the Hopium dens turn their heads 380 degrees. Recently we added to our string of on-target predictions (June 24, 2008) We have two more months of Obama gaffes to come and boy-oh-boy have we been proven right yet again.

Happy Fourth of July as well to all those issues and people “under the Barack Obama bus”. Every day they have more company under that bus.

So Happy Birthday America, Happy Fourth of July to all proud Americans.

This one is for America and all of you (pardon us Barack and Jeremiah):

We here at Big Pink wish America a very Happy Birthday and as a birthday gift to this country, a country many are proud of, we will continue to try to get America the best President possible – Hillary Clinton.

* * *

In order that pompous Obama not get more petulant, bitter, and unhappy because we are giving a gift to America and not to him, we will also, reluctantly, give him a gift to cling to – in song (in fairness Obama also deserves a gift since he recently lost his seal of pomposity).

So, in honor of Friday, preferred day for stabs-in-the-back and bad news dumping for flip-flop-flim-flammers like Obama – Friday a holy day to three-card monte players and flim-flam artists; AND to commemorate Obama’s preparations (also predicted here at Big Pink) to “refine” his Iraq pollicy (translation for DailyKooks and Hopium smokers: When Obama says When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies what he really means is ‘Make some room under that bus, my Iraq policy words as well as the anti-war fetishists are going to need the space’.) we give you, Barack Obama, your new song (the dolphin is lovable, you are not):

We call him flipper, flipper
You’ll see him smiling.
Right from the start he’ll play it smart
Beware of flipper, flipper.

Happy Fourth of July Everybody.

Happy Fourth of July Hillary Supporters – Organize and remember our Founding Mothers and Fathers were made of stern stuff, not glitter without substance.

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177 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton, Flipper, And The Fourth Of July

  1. And they call him Flipper, flipper, flipper.

    The doofus is just the gift that keeps giving.

    Cannot wait till the turd rests at the bottom of the ocean.

    Remember today is major day for contributions to retire.

    I’m in for 20.44 to help, that’s all I can contribute at this time.

    Happy 4th Big Pinkers and Happy 4th to the Clintons.

    Been reading some blogs commenting on Flippers cult going apeshit over his new found love of shifting positions .. they just can’t believe their messiah would do such shit.

    Oh to watch them in their misery.

    Keep yakking Flipper!!!!

  2. JAS posted this earlier:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    Senator Barack Obama stirred his legions of supporters, and raised our hopes, promising to change the old order of things. He spoke with passion about breaking out of the partisan mold of bickering and catering to special pleaders, promised to end President Bush’s abuses of power and subverting of the Constitution and disowned the big-money power brokers who have corrupted Washington politics.

    Now there seems to be a new Barack Obama on the hustings. First, he broke his promise to try to keep both major parties within public-financing limits for the general election. His team explained that, saying he had a grass-roots-based model and that while he was forgoing public money, he also was eschewing gold-plated fund-raisers. These days he’s on a high-roller hunt.

    Even his own chief money collector, Penny Pritzker, suggests that the magic of $20 donations from the Web was less a matter of principle than of scheduling. “We have not been able to have much of the senator’s time during the primaries, so we have had to rely more on the Internet,” she explained as she and her team busily scheduled more than a dozen big-ticket events over the next few weeks at which the target price for quality time with the candidate is more than $30,000 per person.

    The new Barack Obama has abandoned his vow to filibuster an electronic wiretapping bill if it includes an immunity clause for telecommunications companies that amounts to a sanctioned cover-up of Mr. Bush’s unlawful eavesdropping after 9/11.

    In January, when he was battling for Super Tuesday votes, Mr. Obama said that the 1978 law requiring warrants for wiretapping, and the special court it created, worked. “We can trace, track down and take out terrorists while ensuring that our actions are subject to vigorous oversight and do not undermine the very laws and freedom that we are fighting to defend,” he declared.

    Now, he supports the immunity clause as part of what he calls a compromise but actually is a classic, cynical Washington deal that erodes the power of the special court, virtually eliminates “vigorous oversight” and allows more warrantless eavesdropping than ever.

    The Barack Obama of the primary season used to brag that he would stand before interest groups and tell them tough truths. The new Mr. Obama tells evangelical Christians that he wants to expand President Bush’s policy of funneling public money for social spending to religious-based organizations — a policy that violates the separation of church and state and turns a government function into a charitable donation.

    He says he would not allow those groups to discriminate in employment, as Mr. Bush did, which is nice. But the Constitution exists to protect democracy, no matter who is president and how good his intentions may be.

    On top of these perplexing shifts in position, we find ourselves disagreeing powerfully with Mr. Obama on two other issues: the death penalty and gun control.

    Mr. Obama endorsed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the District of Columbia’s gun-control law. We knew he ascribed to the anti-gun-control groups’ misreading of the Constitution as implying an individual right to bear arms. But it was distressing to see him declare that the court provided a guide to “reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe.”

    What could be more reasonable than a city restricting handguns, or requiring that firearms be stored in ways that do not present a mortal threat to children?

    We were equally distressed by Mr. Obama’s criticism of the Supreme Court’s barring the death penalty for crimes that do not involve murder.

    We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama’s shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games.

    There are still vital differences between Mr. Obama and Senator John McCain on issues like the war in Iraq, taxes, health care and Supreme Court nominations. We don’t want any “redefining” on these big questions. This country needs change it can believe in.

  3. Happy July 4th, Everyone!

    So NYT still believes BHO would be different from McCain in the war in Iraq after BHO’s two press conferences yesterday?

    It’s really kind of fun now to watch the left meltdown.

  4. happy 4th of july!
    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
    Contact: connie
    Amount: $20.44

  5. Happy 4th of July to Big Pink, and all Hillary supporters. Hope the Clinton family has a great day.

    If BHO keeps on Flippin and Floppin, there won’t be very much difference between McCain and Mr. Hopium and Change.

    The faith-based services really, really irritate me. It goes against the separation of church and state, and I am very much against it. Even McCain is not going that far.

  6. Happy 4th to all the Hillary supportersand of course that beautiful and oustanding Clinton family,Bill,Hillary and the gifted Chelsea.My SS check is in and I made my monthly contribution for our next president,Hillary Rodham Clinton.All of you young people out there must begin to realize that their future is at stake here and Hillary must be supported and elected the 44th.My donation is just a single flake in a snow storm and At my age there is little to gain for me except the joy and the satisfaction of knowing that you youngsters have a whole lifetime ahead to benefit from her experience and love for this great country.America,please rise and push back the onslaught of the BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA macine.This country belongs to all of us regardless of race,color and creed.Take care of it,nourish it,defend it and we will again rise to the level of respect and envy by the rest of the world.The Cinton time was our PRIME time.
    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE AND THIS WORLD ”

    By ABM90

  7. From River Daughter:

    Oh, for Heaven’s sakes, now we’ve got Barack Obama behaving like Moses laying down yet another commandment for women to heed. In his recent interview with Relevant, a Christian magazine, the Dauphin of Democracy says:

    prohibitions on late-term abortions must contain “a strict, well defined exception for the health of the mother.”

    Obama then added: “Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.”

    But only last year, in it’s majority Supreme Court opinion on the partial birth aborthion law (Actually, intact Dilation and Extraction), Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote this:

    “While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon, it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained,” Justice Kennedy wrote, alluding to the brief. “Severe depression and loss of esteem can follow.”

    Given those stakes, the justice argued, “The state has an interest in ensuring so grave a choice is well informed.”

    So, let me get this straight. If you get a late term abortion for medical reasons, you will feel suicidal about it in the future. But if you feel suicidal about being pregnant, under no circumstances should you get a late term abortion. Maybe we should ask Andrea Yates for her expert opinion on the subject of regret, self-esteem and depression? Come to think of it, *she* didn’t have much choice in the matter. Her husband/protector and pastor went against the best advice of her doctors who told them she should never get pregnant again as it would make her post-partum psychosis worse. Seven years later, five children dead and a brain permanently damaged by untreated disease, she’s serving out the rest of her life on a psych ward. Nice going, Mr. Yates.

    Thank goodness we have all these guys to protect us from the consequences of our rash decisions. We should not trouble our underdeveloped consciences about the fact that the presumptuus nominee and a justice of the Supreme Court contradict themselves. For the women with medical emergencies that just happen to fall one day into that late term stage, it hardly matters. Their options are now limited by the philosophical and moral musings of two men who could be discussing the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    Can someone tell me where is the woman who speaks for us??

    Fine. We’ll look after ourselves from now on guys. We PUMAs will form a new government “laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to [us] shall seem most likely to effect [our] Safety and Happiness” You just sit there in your leather wing-backs in front of the roaring fire and muse philosophically and we’ll do what we need to do. We wouldn’t want the brutality and sorrows of life to affect your mental state.

    So much for Obama protecting our right to choose. Can we have Hillary back now?

    Our Sister Independence Day Readings:

    Heidi Li’s Potpourri writes “Hey, Mark Penn, are you enjoying your Independence Day?”
    Peacocks and Lilies write their Declaration of Objections
    InsightAnalytical writes PUMA and the Spirit of July 4th
    PUMAPac has an action plan for Independence in Denver
    And don’t forget to Kiss Him Goodbye. Remember, it only takes 500,000 of us at $20.08 a head to retire Hillary’s outstanding campaign debt to her vendors. It looks like sisters are doing it for themselves.:

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

  8. The political process in this country certainly looks more discouraging and in some ways disappointing. I came to this country from mainland China more than twenty years ago. I was very interested in the political process here from the very beginning when I was a graduate student. My husband used to laugh at me when I was watching the debates between Dan Quayle and Lloyd Benson in 1988 (“Look at our American neighbors, who is watching this debate?” He would tease me.) Yet, I always found the political process here fascinating and interesting. Al Gore was the first Democrat I voted for in 2000 soon after I became a US citizen. I became a Democrat partisan earlier though, during Bill Clinton’s impeachment. I was shocked to learn the danger of the political process that a non-crime of consensual sex between two adults would somehow be elevated to high crime and treason worthy of impeachment. Regardless of the convoluted process, legal or political, I still could not believe the starting point and the end point could connect. That was my first real lesson about the political process in this country.

    Then I read Bill’s My Life and Hillary’s Living History. Bill’s book especially gave me such an education about the political process that shows how a man from nowhere could build up a network and became the President.

    Then this primary came. I was supporting Hillary from the beginning. I started to contribute to her regularly since April 2007. What a ride that was! I learned more ugly things about the politics, unfortunately. The media was very much to me like the propaganda organs of the communists back in China: Truth did not matter. Then the radical Obama supporters reminded me very much like Mao’s Red Guard Army during the Culture Revolution. The ugliness of money and super-delegates really shocked me too. The icing on the cake was the rules and bylaw committee’s meeting on May 31. This is so called democracy?

    I registered myself as an independent on June 2, right after that infamous RBC meeting. There is no way I want to belong to this un-democratic party. This November, I am voting Republican top-to-bottom so that I can get this un-democratic nightmare out of my system.

    Through this primary, I admire Hillary much more than before. I supported Hillary from the beginning because she is a tough woman. Boy, I just did not realize how tough she was.

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    Denver Overnight
    July 3rd, 2008 | Action, DNC, Denver, Join us!, ROAR!

    DENVER UPDATE, July 3, 2008 at 10:30pm: ORGANIZE UPDATE! Wow, Pumas — the response is overwhelming. We will be spending the weekend hammering out details and updating everyone. Remember, the most important thing is that you come to Denver. We’ll be there — with signs and banners and cameras. Don’t be anxious or insecure. It’s a big city — they can handle a few extras. Start making your plans to be there — especially on the 27th and 28th.

    DENVER UPDATE, July 3, 2008 at 12:35pm: TRAVEL UPDATE! Puma PAC will be providing buses from New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Jacksonville, and Washington DC to bring Pumas from all across the country to Denver, starting on August 24th. Please help pay for these buses. Many Pumas will find it difficult to pay for getting the time off, motels, food etc. Let’s help as many Puma PAC members as we can join us in Denver. This is a special BUSES TO DENVER FUND. All donations made here will go EXCLUSIVELY to paying for buses. If we can raise enough to hire 100 buses, then hell yes we’ll do it. If 20,000 members each throw in $10 bucks for a free ride to Denver for a fellow Puma we’ll have enough for 500 buses. Grab your fanny packs and get your days off from work Pumas. We’ll have a mighty convoy to Denver rolling on August 24th!

    blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/03/denver-overnight/

    PUMA

  10. Sorry for the long post:

    Today is our one month birthday. It was Tuesday evening, June 3, when I pressed “publish” on the first blog post and Puma PAC was born. Overnight I watched as 35,000 people clicked on the post. Since then we’ve had 600,000 visitors, thousands of members officially join us, and thousands of women and men from around the country (and the world) flood our mailboxes and comment threads with offers to help.

    In our first month we have sent THOUSANDS of letters to the DNC, the Obama Campaign, and elected officials around the country. We have handed out flyers, brought home-made signs to Unity, New Hampshire, and spread our message like wild-fire on national and local TV. We have faxed, emailed, and called our leaders on the phone to give them one, unequivocal message: We are the VOTERS. This is OUR party. Stop dividing us; start leading us; and RESPECT THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS.

    Here’s the lesson the DNC and the Obama campaign have taken away from our phenomenally successful efforts in our FIRST 30 days: “Holy smokes, Howard! They’re going to swing this election! What are we going to doooo?!!”

    This ever-hardening conviction is the reason the trolls are up in arms. It’s why Obama dragged Hillary to Unity NH for the Clown Show. It’s why the Bots have been furiously trying to shut down blogs, email accounts, and web pages; scurrilously purging and attacking political dissenters like angry, desperate rats. It’s why the less shady and slimy bloggers like Amanda Marcotte and Huffington Post have launched a personal humiliation and ridicule campaign against people like Riverdaughter, Will Bower, Diane Montavoulos, Paula Abeles, and me.

    In the next month we have the opportunity for thousands more to join us. As tensions and hopes rise in the run-up to the August convention there will be confusion, anger, and a growing will to ACTION in the hearts of millions of Democrats around the country who are astonished at how cynically, hypocritically, and flat-out cravenly the DNC and the Obama campaign have tried to play us.

    Race-baiting? Check. Class-warfare? Check. Voter suppression? Check. Sexism and misogyny? Check. Voting irregularities? Check. Back room deals? Check. Pandering and purging? Check. Disenfranchisement? Check.

    The only entry in the Karl Rove playbook that David Axelrod and Barack Obama have not yet used (but hold onto your hats, folks! It’s a comin’) is outright STEALING of the election.

    Our only protection against the Obama Movement’s plan to force this election using any means possible is to MAKE IT TOO HARD TO STEAL. We must stay united in our Protest of the Election or they will seize their opportunity to tip the scales once again. Remember, this is Chicago-style politics. Win at any cost is the mantra. Small “irregularities” that are hard to trace and nearly impossible to prove are the means. In a CLOSE ELECTION they will PLAY THEIR ACE CARD.

    If you don’t believe David Axelrod and Barack Obama don’t have both the intention and the means to steal a close election, you haven’t been paying attention. You did watch the elections of 2000 and 2004, right? You do remember that the only reason the Republicans couldn’t steal the 2006 midterms is because for once, for once!, the damn thing was NOT too close to steal. For the first time in a VERY LONG time, the Democratic Party was NOT divided. We were united. We attracted fed-up Republicans. Swing voters supported our candidates by the millions.

    And we swept into Congress, state capitols, and Governors’ mansions around the country.

    We were UNITED.

    The fact that the inept leadership of the DNC had less influence in the individual state elections also helped.

    The only way the Democratic Party wins elections is when its coalition members are UNITED.

    The Obama campaign DIVIDED the party and they and their Movement Followers comfort themselves with the Hope that they have won the crown.

    Every day the realization becomes clearer to them that have lost and that they will lose.

    Barack Obama agreed to David Axelrod’s plan to win the battle and lose the war: to ruthlessly split the party in two in order to SEIZE the nomination from the person who had won the hearts and the VOTES of more Democrats in the history of primary campaigns.

    Shakespeare anyone?

    Hundreds of people ask us if we’re going to Denver. Are we going to march on the convention; demand that Hillary’s delegates are allowed to vote; demand that Hillary Clinton be allowed to deliver a free and honest speech.

    Are we going to Denver? You bet your ass we’re going to Denver.

    I don’t care if there are only 50 middle-aged women like me standing in the rain with fanny packs and homemade signs. I don’t care if the inept, elitist clowns who have the audacity to believe they in any way deserve to be called leaders continue to pretend to ignore us; continue to attack us like dogs; continue to undermine, ridicule, bully, and harass us.

    Are we going to Denver? Will we be there to witness the final act in the Shakespearean tragedy that Axelrod, Obama, and Dean have staged for us against our will and without our permission?

    We wouldn’t miss it for the world.

    If you want to go to Denver for front-row seats to the tragedy, pick up your tickets here. We’ll provide a plan, signs, permits, and a film crew. You provide yourself, your fanny pack, your righteous indignation, and your voice.

    Donate for Denver if you can. All funds raised will be used to organize Denver. We will buy signs, t-shirts, food and supplies for Pumas to share. We will pay for the cost of filming. All of our work is volunteer. All contributions are not tax-deductible.

    blog.pumapac.org/?merchant_return_link=Return+to+Puma+PAC

  11. Happy Independence Day to everyone!

    I just got finished making donations to:

    Hillary Clinton
    Ed O’Reilly (primary opponent of John Kerry)
    the RNC
    John McCain
    Larry Sinclair

    It’s going to be a great day and night. We are declaring our independence from BaJoke Obama and the coupist DNC, as well as helping Larry Sinclair declare his independence from the Deleware Bidens and anyone else who is trying to silence him.

    Have a great day, all!

    🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  12. There is a more or less coordinated Money Bomb Going On,
    around the net.

    One at WomenCount Pac is for $20.08, saw another for $20.12.

    Thank you for your generous contribution. If you have any questions about your contribution please contact us at
    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/

    Contribution Details
    Date: July 04, 2008 12:01 PM EDT

    Amount: $20.44 (figured I’d stick with Big Pinkers)

    Let’s give our girl some more independence from BO & Co,
    on this Independence Day.

  13. I LOVE Sousa and Kate Smith! 😀

    The Patriots Who made Freedom Possible
    Richard Roberg, The Daily Mail

    Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men signed the Declaration of independence?
    Five were captured by the British, charged with treason and tortured to death.
    12 had their homes ransacked and burned.
    Two lost their lives serving in the resistance.
    Nine died from wounds of hardships of the Revolutionary War.
    They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortune and their honor. What kind of men were they?
    24 were jurists, 11 were merchants, and 9 were farmers.
    They were men of means and education but they signed the Declaration knowing the penalty would be death if they were captured.
    Carter Braxton of Virginia saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy, sold his home to pay his debts and died a pauper.
    Thomas McKeam was forced to move his family by the British harassment. He served in Congress without pay while his family lived in hiding. His property was seized and he was impoverished.
    Francis Lewis lost his home, his wife was arrested and she died in jail.
    John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. He lived for over a year in forests and caves returning to find his 13 children had vanished and his wife was dead.

    Can you imagine Obama making any similar sacrifices for this country?

    Can you imagine Hillary Clinton and John McCain sacrificing for the country?

    Happy Independence Day

  14. ADMIN!!!!! 😀

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    ‘Friday is a preferred day for flim-flammers to “dump” news they want few people to pay attention to. The bonus for flim-flammers this year is that today is also a very big national holiday. It’s a flim-flammers holiday delight.’
    AND
    “….in honor of Friday, preferred day for stabs-in-the-back and bad news dumping for flip-flop-flim-flammers like Obama – Friday a holy day to three-card monte players and flim-flam artists;’

  15. There’s a Money Bomb Goin’ On around the net for our girl.

    WomenCount PAC has one for $20.08, saw another for $20.12.
    —————-
    Thank you for your generous contribution. If you have any questions about your contribution please contact us at
    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/

    YOUR CONTRIBUTION RECEIPT:

    DATE: July 4, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
    NAME:
    ADDRESS:
    AMOUNT: $20.44 (figured I’d stick with Big Pinkers)

    Let’s help our girl gain even more independence from BO & Co., on this Independence Day.

    Gotta go. Using a quickly borrowed laptop for this missive and he wants it back.

    Have missed ya’ll.

  16. Birdgal,

    The Syracuse article was in the local paper. Wish I had known as it’s only an hour from me. I’m so glad she got a good reception.

  17. Great article, Admin. Favorite quote:

    “Happy Fourth of July to the wonderful and got-the-most-popular-votes Hillary Clinton – our nominee.”

    “Happy Fourth of July to Hillary Supporters” (especially those meeting and organizing to have a roll call vote at the August convention, those organizing for Women’s Equality Day on August 26, and those Hillary supporters at this site and other truth telling sites who are made of the stern stuff which characterized our Founding Fathers and Mothers).

    Mrs. Smith

    [i]…the utube pic would that be Tsar Nicholas?

  18. Lindax: thanks for posting the article by Charles Krauthammer. I agree with his analysis in part.

    For example I completely agree the flipping is not accidental. It is done with malice of forethought, for precisely the reasons CK suggests. Here is the relevant passage.

    Obama’s strategy is obvious. The country is in a deep malaise and eager for change. He and his party already have the advantage on economic and domestic issues. Obama, therefore, aims to clear the deck by moving rapidly to the center in those areas where he and his party are weakest, namely national security and the broader cultural issues. With these — and, most important, his war-losing Iraq policy — out of the way, the election will be decided on charisma and persona. In this corner: the young sleek cool hip elegant challenger. In the other corner: the old guy. No contest.

    The part I disagree with is this:

    Of course, once he gets there he will have to figure out what he really believes. The conventional liberal/populist stuff he campaigned on during the primaries? Or the reversals he is so artfully offering up now? I have no idea. Do you? Does he?

    I believe there is no great mystery here. The question of what he really believes is irrelevant. He is a shill for big business and that is where it stops starts and ends. The right gets hung up on him being a liberal, the left worries about him moving to the center and both are wrong. If you want to know what he belives take a look at the global business interests who are backing him which I posted here last night, and Soros the night before and remember the old saying he who pays the piper calls the tune.
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  19. Another group goes under the bus.
    BO disses the DLC. (RCP)

    As many of you know, the DLC held it’s Annual Conversation in Chicago on Sunday and Monday. Though no one would say it publicly, there was a fairly significant sense of disappointment that Barack Obama did not attend the event – especially after news broke Monday morning that Obama spent all day Sunday in Chicago getting his haircut and playing hoops.

    Understandably, the DLCers felt insulted that Obama couldn’t find 10 minutes to swing by and at least say hello to the roughly 600 elected officials from around the country who were gathered, ironically enough, less than a block or so from Obama headquarters.

    One of the excuses I heard was that the organization is too closely tied to the Clintons. But isn’t one of Obama’s primary objectives over the next few months to win over Clinton voters? A tiny show of respect to the DLC would seem like a good place to start, but apparently the Obama high command didn’t feel it was necessary.

    The move to publicly eschew meeting with the DLC is especially interesting since Obama seems to be more or less running his campaign from their playbook, tacking to the right on the death penalty, guns, and picking spots in the heartland to aggressively court evangelicals and profess his love of country. It does seem to be, to quote the great Yogi Berra, deja vu all over again.

    I’ll have more notes from the DLC later.

  20. A Barky joke. (scot-in-jupiter)

    Barack Obama. . . is considered by those who have dealt with him as a bit more than just a little self-righteous.

    At a recent rural elementary school assembly in East Texas, he asked the audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in total
    silence.
    Then he said into the microphone, “Children, every time I clap my hands together, a child in America dies from gun violence.”
    Then, little Richard Earl, with a proud East Texas drawl, pierced the quiet and said “Well, dumb-ass, stop clapping!”

  21. neetabug,

    I wouldn’t recommend holding your breath. 👿

    Can you believe some of us are looking to the repubs to save us???????

  22. Good Day All You Great Patriots and supporters of REAL Democracy!

    And Happy Birthday to America…my home sweet home!

    Admin! I LOVE IT when I laugh out loud at the posts you write….! Your wit and charm are such a nice respite from the bitter cynical flim-flam-flip-flopper who has to give Americans a bunch of JUST WORDS to define his patriotism rather than people just being able to inherently KNOW he is patriotic.

    He is nothing but a CYNICAL DOUBLE-TALKER with an ever growing collection of aquatic friends….such as spineless jelly-fish, sharks, seals and flippers…and a few Whale Tales to boot! It will be interesting to see what form of sea-life he will adopt next….

    Maybe his personal collection of Old Crustaceans (Dean/Pelosi/Kerry/Kennedy/Brazile) will accompany him on his “fact-finding” mission to Iraq in his Yellow Submarine where he will be able to keep his waffles dry and his Kool-Aid cold.

  23. Neetabug…go to http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com and look up the OHIO meetup group. They ROCK and are coordinating efforts for statewide actions AND for Denver trips. Got to their Meet-up group and SIGN UP to get involved! Big Pink KNOWS THEM WELL, and in fact, yesterday’s post WAS them! They will welcome you with open arms and are working very hard to make Hillary 44 AND 45. We were all on a VERY GOOD conference call last night and I think you will find them right up your alley!

  24. And Mrs. Smith…don’t feel badly about Tsar Nicholas….and the mistaken identity…for a few moments, I thought the same although i KNEW I was listening to Sousa..and I was trying to figure out where ADMIN was going with the correlation with the last Tsar (although I had a few thoughts of my own…and it was not unfitting for the Flim-Flam-Flip-Flopper of the Sargasso Sea….

  25. For those who have been following LS here is an audio link to an interview with Rense on 7/2/08 in which he discusses the Delaware charges and the attorney who accepted a retainer to represent him who called him the night before his court appearance reneging on their signed agreement and saying the obamabots had been threatening him.

    rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_L_Sinclair_070208.mp3

  26. Admin

    Just a test; have posted twice, first after Paul @ 12:47.

    Can’t find. Am I filtered for some reason?

  27. July 01, 2008
    TEXAS CAUCUS FRAUD HEARINGS – JULY 7
    It is very important that everyone in Texas knows about this meeting and people show up, testify and protest. Also anyone with press contacts needs to contact them and get them there. Please forward this to everyone. I know this is a sham by the DNC but we have to make alot of noise. If you witnessed caucus fraud, voter intimidation, or supression, please contact me at drlynettelong@aol.com. Thanks, Lynette

    She is also investigating caucus fraud from other states.

  28. Guess not.

    So here is all the first one was:

    Today is Money Bomb day for our girl, one at WomenCount PAC for $20.08…clever amt…saw another for $20.12…too long to wait.

    I’m sticking with Big Pink:

    YOUR CONTRIBUTION RECEIPT:

    DATE: July 4, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
    NAME:
    ADDRESS:
    AMOUNT: $20.44

    Let’s help give our girl more independence from BO & Co on this Independence Day. We need to help her so she can help us.

    Just figured out I included her web site…bet I am in the purple print filter.

    As I said, have to go…keep borrowing a laptop from someone who wants it back, now rather than later.

    Have missed ya’ll. Total computer crashes are just…total.

    Will be back if my hard drive can be recovered.

    Later..

    ps to Birdgal…go to the library to keep track of PUMA…great work.

  29. Norma: Seems like PumaPac is also organizing buses to Denver. Here is their notice:

    “UPDATE! Puma PAC will be providing buses from New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Jacksonville, and Washington DC to bring Pumas from all across the country to Denver, starting on August 24th. Please help pay for these buses. Many Pumas will find it difficult to pay for getting the time off, motels, food etc. Let’s help as many Puma PAC members as we can join us in Denver. This is a special BUSES TO DENVER FUND. All donations made here will go EXCLUSIVELY to paying for buses. If we can raise enough to hire 100 buses, then hell yes we’ll do it. If 20,000 members each throw in $10 bucks for a free ride to Denver for a fellow Puma we’ll have enough for 500 buses. Grab your fanny packs and get your days off from work Pumas. We’ll have a mighty convoy to Denver rolling on August 24th!”

    Then, there is the 18millionvoices strong group.

    Neetabug: Here is the information for the Pumagroup. They are asking for people to e-mail them, the following information:

    UPDATE DENVER, JULY 4TH, 2008 AT 12:00PM: Step One of Puma PAC’s planning for Denver is now underway. We will be posting updates and details OFTEN over the next week, so don’t fret. First, if you are interested in joining us in Denver, please send an email today to gotodenver@pumapac.org. Please include the following info: Your real name; your blog user name if you have one; the closest major city and your state; how many in your party; and very important: whether you are DEFINITELY going, might be going, want to go but have problems. ALSO, PLEASE PLEASE include your cell phone number. Obviously we will only call you if absolutely necessary and would NEVER give the number away; this is a safety precaution. IMPORTANT: Puma PAC cannot provide housing. We will be providing links and tips for accommodations, but housing all the Pumas is beyond our scope. We WILL help people get there. Please let us know in your email HOW you plan to get to Denver: car, plane, train, bus, or Puma PAC bus. We will do our VERY BEST to help everyone get there. Friends and family members WELCOME!

    blog.pumapac.org/

  30. Another group goes under the bus.
    BO disses the DLC. (RCP)

    As many of you know, the DLC held it’s Annual Conversation in Chicago on Sunday and Monday. Though no one would say it publicly, there was a fairly significant sense of disappointment that Barack Obama did not attend the event – especially after news broke Monday morning that Obama spent all day Sunday in Chicago getting his haircut and playing hoops.

    Understandably, the DLCers felt insulted that Obama couldn’t find 10 minutes to swing by and at least say hello to the roughly 600 elected officials from around the country who were gathered, ironically enough, less than a block or so from Obama headquarters.

    One of the excuses I heard was that the organization is too closely tied to the Clintons. But isn’t one of Obama’s primary objectives over the next few months to win over Clinton voters? A tiny show of respect to the DLC would seem like a good place to start, but apparently the Obama high command didn’t feel it was necessary.

    The move to publicly eschew meeting with the DLC is especially interesting since Obama seems to be more or less running his campaign from their playbook, tacking to the right on the death penalty, guns, and picking spots in the heartland to aggressively court evangelicals and profess his love of country. It does seem to be, to quote the great Yogi Berra, deja vu all over again.
    *****************************************************
    This has nothing to do with using the Clinton playbook, unless it’s the Clinton’s fundraisers..then he is interested. Obama truly believe he IS the next POTUS and that his arrogance and conceit is on display and this is how he really is.

    KING OBAMA doesn’t feel he has to earn people votes, he’s above that his surrogates do the heavy lifting and he give the rewards. So if you like Corrupt Chicago Machine Politics then get prepare to see it nationally with KING OBAMA handing down neighborhoods as fiefdoms.

    Those that not on board will lose access and be banished.

    Only until Obama is defeated with these clowns get the message that is why this time the PEOPLE need to clean house and get rid of the rot. I’m sick and tired of our so called LEADERS throwing the American people under the bus.

    That’s why Dean/Pelosi/Reid/Kerry and the rest of those LOSERS need to go…the country can’t afford these WEAK leaders any more.

  31. Hey gang

    There are several groups doing Denver stuff, so take your pick – all roads lead to Rome. the Denver Meetup from 18Million Voices IS arranging for housing for our group members, and we have a very good operation on the ground there. In addition a now “world-famous” Clinton Delegate is working on some arrangements she has for shelter, so we are moving along well.

    The point is, get to Denver! Bus, train, plane, automobile – how ever you can. We’ll leave the Hot Air Balloons, the Yellow Submarines and the Flying Toasters to the Kool-Aide drinkers. It would also be advisable to be hooked-up with an Organization and not wander the streets alone. The wackos are out in force there and there is safety in numbers. Besides Recreate ’68, look for the Neo-Nazis, the Aryan Nation, the NBPP, FIST, UFPJ and a few new-out-of-the-box groups created since the Hopium Train left the station with Mr. Unity as the conductor. And they are following the same paths as his ANTI-FREE SPEECH promoting PAID internet THUGS. A good time should be had by all! Oh, and while you are there, be sure to go see the prestidigitation performed by the real Socialists who plan on levitating the Denver Mint with sheer mind power (ala Abbey Hoffman and the Pentagon stunt) and shaking the money free so they don’t have to WORK for a living and can claim your hard-earned dollars as their own!

  32. McCain Continues Aggressive Spanish Radio Play, Targeting Obama in New Spot
    Updated 1:26 p.m.
    By Ed O’Keefe
    John McCain’s staff shakeup earlier this week came amid concerns that his campaign lacked a consistent message and had made few attempts to contrast himself with Barack Obama. A new Spanish-language radio ad released yesterday by the Arizona senator shows McCain’s campaign beginning to take a more aggressive approach.

    The 60-second spot, “Our Values,” stars McCain’s former college roommate, Frank Gamboa, who tells listeners that McCain “wants the best for Latinos,” and “has always been with us, even in the bad times,” while “the other candidate has just discovered the importance of the Hispanic vote.” The spot, released yesterday, will air in Nevada, and New Mexico.

    Another McCain campaign Spanish-language spot released earlier this week addresses Latinos on the economy — which remains the top issue of concern among all voters. In the ad, McCain ties his support of the Colombia Free Trade Deal to economic growth in Florida. The ad, which is airing in Florida, stars Tony Villamil, the state’s former head of tourism, commerce and economic affairs. He says in the ad that business with Colombia and all of Latin America is crucial to the state’s economy.

    Last month McCain aired a 60-second Spanish radio spot about the economy in Nevada and New Mexico, and later targeted Florida Cuban Americans, leading the Obama campaign to promise an “aggressive Spanish-language media outreach campaign.”

    “The Obama campaign will begin airing Spanish ads by mid-July,” explained the campaign’s Vince Casillas, “but, more importantly, we will have a strong presence on Spanish media all the way through November.”

    The Obama campaign responded to the Gamboa radio ad with a statement from Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa contesting the ad’s premise. “Barack Obama has long been a champion of the Latino community and the issues that matter to us and all of the American people,” he said. “From educational opportunities, voting rights, immigration reform to equal access to health care, Barack has been at the forefront of fighting for our families. Barack’s advocacy and long record of fighting to ensure voting rights for Hispanic Americans and other minorities demonstrates his understanding of how important it is to have all of our voices heard.”

    The Latino vote could tip the scales for McCain or Obama in several battleground states this November. Janet Murguia, president of the National Council of La Raza, says that Colorado, Florida, Nevada and New Mexico will be key to either candidate’s victory.

    McCain has run ads in three of those states, but the tone and words used in the new ads suggest they’re designed in part to introduce McCain to Latino voters. That’s a problem, some argue, because Latino voters in South Florida and the Southwest should already be familiar with a senator from the Southwest who’s a member of the political party most popular with Latinos in South Florida.

    blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/04/mccain_continues_aggressive_sp.html

  33. I’m with ya all the way Carby. It’s AMAZING to me who now EVERYTHING meets in Chicago. The Governor’s (let me show you my nice new ObamaNation Seal) Conference, the DNC, the DLC and God knows what else is to come. The Democratic Convention? The Inauguration, perhaps (or is that coronation?) IF he steals this anymore…

    Pelosi and Reid are the WEAKEST most SPINELESS “leaders” that have EVER BEEN IN AMERICAN POLITICS. They are MEAN, vindictive and inept. It’s no wonder they love Obama so much. Birds of a feather….

  34. “Barack’s advocacy and long record of fighting to ensure voting rights for Hispanic Americans and other minorities demonstrates his understanding of how important it is to have all of our voices heard.”

    What a crock of shit. Ask the voters in Florida and Michigan how they feel about this.

    Barack Obama IS George Bush’s Third Term

  35. Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama, poll says
    Posted: 03:58 PM ET

    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

    A new poll shows many of Clinton’s supporters still aren’t read to back Obama.
    (CNN) — One week after Hillary Clinton made a public show of unity with Barack Obama, a new survey suggests supporters of the New York senator are increasingly less likely to follow her lead.

    A growing number of Clinton supporters say they may stay home in November instead of casting their ballot for Obama, a clear sign the party has yet to coalesce around the Illinois senator four weeks after the most prolonged and at times divisive primary race in modern American history came to a close.

    According to a new survey from CNN and the Opinion Research Corporation, the number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to John McCain’s camp is down from one month ago, but in what could be an ominous sign for Obama as he seeks to unify the party, a growing number of them say they may not vote at all.

    In a CNN/ORC survey conducted in early June, entirely before the New York senator officially ended her White House bid, 22 percent of Clinton supporters said they would not vote at all if Obama was the party’s nominee. Now close to a third say they will stay home. In all, only 54 percent of Clinton backers say they plan on voting for Obama.

    In another sign the wounds of the heated primary race have yet to heal, more than 4 in 10 registered Democrats — 43 percent — still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party’s presidential nominee. That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when only 35 percent of Democrats said they preferred the New York senator to lead the party’s presidential ticket Then, Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats, now he garners 5 points less.

    By nearly any measure then, it’s clear Clinton supporters remain wary of supporting the man who beat her.

    “These things always take time to heal,” CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider said. “I think Clinton’s supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them.”

    But most political observers agree the prospects of an Obama-Clinton ticket remain dim, most notably because the New York senator remains a divisive figure in American politics and Obama’s message of change threatens to be muddled by the 16 years Clinton has spent in Washington

    But the question remains whether Obama can win enough Democrats without Clinton as his No. 2.

    “If he doesn’t pick her, a later stage of grief is depression and then acceptance,” Schneider said. “In the end I expect Clinton supporters will accept Obama, because they will listen to Sen. Clinton who has said the stakes are too high for Democrats to sulk.”

    In the end, maybe more than four weeks is needed for many of Clinton’s most devoted supporters to move past her loss, especially considering the primary campaign stretched more than 17 months.

    “Many voters find it tough to immediately switch allegiances to a candidate that they once opposed, so they find a ‘neutral’ setting more comfortable for awhile,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. “If that’s what is happening to the Clinton supporters who now say they plan to stay at home, Obama may have nothing to worry about. If not, there’s a big chunk of the party base that Obama won’t be able to count on in November.”

    While Clinton’s stock among many Democrats remains high in the latest CNN/ORC poll, her husband’s is decidedly lower since a year ago at this time.

    Much has been made of Bill Clinton’s role over the course of his wife’s White House bid — the increasingly aggressive campaign style, the sharpened attacks leveled at Obama that some viewed as carrying racial overtones, and the outbursts at some reporters over what he viewed as unfair media coverage — and the former president increasingly came under fire from neutral Democrats and party elders concerned he was fracturing the party in an election cycle during which Democrats appear to hold the advantage in nearly every way.

    And the former president clearly left a sour taste in the minds of some Americans — among all registered voters his approval rating is down 9 points in just over a year (60 percent to 51 percent.)

    “Former presidents are supposed to be above politics, but Bill Clinton couldn’t be above it in this campaign since his wife was a candidate for president,” Schneider said. “But he was seen as too political. Democrats thought it was appropriate for him to support his wife but not appropriate to get overly critical of Obama.”

    So can Clinton, who left office eight years ago with approval ratings well over 60 percent, repair his image with most Americans?

    “He needs to show he’s gotten over it,” Schneider said.
    *****************************************************
    Bill Schneider needs to STFU and stop trying to intimidate Pres. Clinton. The only people CNN cares about are those Africans Americans that support Obama…but slowly and surely Obama is losing support in the African Community by his own ACTIONS.

    Black folks come from all different stripes…some have money, some own businesses, some are poor, some are liberal, some are conservative, BUT one thing is THEY ARE NOT STUPID. And Obama is just a TYPICAL CORRUPT CHICAGO POLITICAN who is a Black Nationalist.

    Obama wants power and he will do anything to get it including throwing his oldest and closest off the bus to reach his goals. The problem is Obama is one of the most selfish, insecure politicians I have ever seen in my lifetime.

  36. Norma people are not stupid and the closest this get to November the harder it will be for Obama.

    Believe me, Obama is TOAST and he has NOBODY to blame but himself.

    Obama is a man way over his head and you see this in the way Obama need the hubris regarding his LACK of ACCOMPLISHMENT. Even my brother who is a Obama supporter think Obama can’t win unless Hillary is his V.P. and he agrees with me that Obama didn’t promise anything to Black People, we(community) pretty much gave away our vote for nothing.

    BUT THE DREAM, that dream just won’t die for some AA’s who see Obama as the star in that Dream. The dream of having a black POTUS outweights the damage Team Obama is doing. They’ve pretty much bought into everything MSM is saying about Obama, but I do see more AA’s activist peeling off the Obama bandwagon.

  37. {PumaResponders} Response item: NYT – Obama responds to Protest on his Website
    Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

    h t t p : / / thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/obama-responds-to-fisa-protest-on-his-web-site/

    119 comments, mixed opinions.

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  38. Carby (i am checking back here in between making my FIRST Video!)

    It’s good to hear that some folks in the AA Community are sobering up, and believe me, I, and probably MOST WHITE Americans DO understand the pride and the HOPE the AA Community has in the dream of an AA POTUS, but BO is NOT the AA Candidate…he is a purely psychological toxic brew of marketing and hyperbole. He has NO, i repeat, NO – ZERO – NADA QUALIFICATIONS to BE the President of the United States and as more and more people are WAKING UP to that fact that this guy is not “from the hood” but from the Socialist personal and educational factories of his childhood and his “formative years”, they will realize that he CANNOT be the President. There is NOTHING about him that SAYS “Made in America” and despite what the BOTS think and the latte Libs think, THAT BRAND is still something WE REQUIRE in a President, like their politics or not.

  39. I want to make it VERY CLEAR that I DO BELIEVE that anyone who is qualified by birthright to BE the POTUS, no matter what their heritage is fine by me. That is a part of what makes THIS NATION so great. But my criticism of Obama comes NOT from any xenophobic or racist place, but from a place that HIS ENTIRE LIFE has been spent with people who DO NOT BELIEVE in the things that make this nation great. From his mom, even his grandparents on her side, to Frank Davis to Bill Ayers to the TUCC spewing hate and the radical associations with “others” in the Chicago Combine and the Soros Factory…including Dean and Pelosi, this guy is NOT “American in his soul”. And even tho I CANNNOT STAND George Bush, or many of his Ilk, I DO believe they believe IN AMERICA and her people. Some to lesser degrees than others, but all in all, they UNDERSTAND OUR HISTORY whereas I DO NOT believe Obama OR HIS FOLLOWERS have the SLIGHTEST IDEA what it took to make this country the place STILL where the world wants to come to. McCAIN KNOWS THAT. And HILLARY CERTAINLY DOES. But Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the other slime balls in Congress (and I think Russ Feingold was the FIRST “plant” until they got “the black guy” to take his place) would rather SELECTIVELY sell this country down the river for their own self-serving gain (see no Bush Impeachment, no ending the war in an INTELLIGENT manner WHICH WAS THEIR MANDATE) and flip-flopping all the way to undermining the Constitution with their FISA crap than actually STAND for something . They make me ILL and Obama is now the Chief Surgeon leading the team that will be cutting out our heart at the very first opportunity.

  40. The entire Congress needs to be replaced. It is rotten to the core, and will become even more corrupt, if Flip-Floppin Flim-Flam Flipper person is POTUS.

  41. Here’s how they are going to do it……..

    Targeting States..about 18 potential swing states

    Research and Legal Challenge

    Message Development for the “reachable middle”

    Grassroots Field Strategy… voter registration, coalistion building, education and turnout

    Media Outreach

    Voter Mobilization

    and of course Fundraising

    there is a coalition right now called America Votes…they have 37 organizations that have come together with a membership of nearly 20,000,000 that intend on making sure non-progressives do not win.

    This is what we are up against..this is what the republicans and independents are up against.

    One key to organizing is uniting with likeminded others…standing alone we will lose.

    One other note…when Howard Dean dropped out of the primaries in 2004, there was a large group of grassroots activists that formed to insist that he be heard at the convention and be on the ballot…we know how that went.

    Let us learn from our past mistakes and make sure we stand united and strong in our cause.
    If our goal is to send a loud and clear message to the Democratic Party that we want it back and that we will not settle for their selection of BHO, then we need to have all options on the table and consider the best ones to do this.

    “They” are counting on us backing down, that our strength will weaken, that certain issues will pull us away from our goal of defeating BHO, that we will become divided.

    If you are ready to block out their message, and agree to put your principle first, then you can win.

  42. Birdgal..I believe there are some very good folks in Congress, but I also believe that the MAJORITY, especially in the Senate, sold out to special interest LONG AGO and should GO. MANY no longer even realize the represent US, and not themselves. While it is true I want QUALIFIED folks who LEARN the inner workings of Constitutional responsibility, and that sometimes takes more than one term, I believe we have ALLOWED them to get away with much that is NOT in the interest of the nation as a whole. The Government is not my baby-sitter. I don’t WANT them to be, or my nanny or my overlord. My representatives are supposed to protect the nation and pass laws that help the broadest spectrum of people possible IN THEIR REPRESENTATION of their constituencies and for the nation as a whole. They are NOT supposed to support spying on Americans (like Obama just did, along with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid) and they are not supposed to give away the farm to EITHER Corporate interest or those who are too lazy or too stupid to get off their asses and WORK. I have NO PROBLEM with helping those who CANNOT help themselves, but I am so GD tired of working MY ass off and BARELY making it (and NOT making it most of the time but SURVIVING on sweat and brains) while I listen to these harpies talk about how they cannot DO anything about drilling and actually WORKING on alternate energy AT THE SAME TIME and in the same breath increasing food stamp allocations for those who have too many children to FEED THEMSELVES. I know this sounds rotten, but DAMN, if you CANNOT AFFORD to have children, DO NOT expect other’s to pay for them, and then call me a racist IF I CANNOT or DON’T WANT TO.BE ASSURED the “Collective” society BO speaks of is PURE UTOPIA…he will get his, Michelle will get hers, all the while telling OTHERS to “not work in the money industries” – keeping folks with a poverty mindset and CREATING more expectancy for Government handouts.

    Oh my God, I am sounding like a Republican. Just that THIS GUY and NOW OUR PARTY have become the biggest two-faced LIARS we have known in years. Self-serving and elitist know-it-alls who do not believe in the POWER OF THE AMERICAN SPIRIT, and I believe THAT is what makes them SO AFRAID of JSND & PUMA. Afraid enough to want to shut us all down. What is the obvious next step? It frightens me to think who MAY take the levers of power if this freak makes it to the Oval Office.

  43. I just heard on the nightly news that Obama is thinking about moving his acceptance speech to the mile high stadium! How arrogant, even his acceptance speech is going to be dog and pony show! Well, that might change if Hillary gets the nomination!

  44. norma, that’s just awful, this fourth of july is so dismal, with dear leader taking over, gas $4 a gallon, the dollar dropping like a rock, there is not much to celebrate. Our country is in such jeopardy with the elitist running their scam and getting scamed by the “yes we can” crowd it is somber at best!

  45. Well Confloyd, cheer up…they are trying to break the American Spirit and are COUNTING on our dissolution to have him “win”.

    I am making a video (one of many I hope) that speaks to some larger issues of Obama and Gender Equity….when I have id down, I’ll get it uploaded for commentary…..

    this is what is keeping ME centered on the process of making sure HE doesn’t come any where near the Treasury, the United States Military or the Oval Office. I just cannot stand this flim-flam-flip-flopper. Obama cannot be trusted.

  46. To Bambi and His Financia Backers
    The Slogan of the Bull Moose Party
    Then Ballad of Flipper (spoiled)

    Ill fares the land
    To hastening ills aprey
    Where wealth accumulates
    And men decay

    OR– in this case

    We call him flipper, flipper
    You’ll hear him whining
    Then he’ll start lying
    He’ll screw you too

  47. I watched a half dozen segments of the History channels “The Revolution.”

    The parallels with what is happening within the undemocratic party (aside from the physical contact, for now) are remarkable.

    At one point a West Point General, commenting about the NY General Horatio Gates who was sent to save the Southern army despite his complete lack of suitability for the post and his subsequent defeat, was that if you’re going to throw people off the fence you better make sure which side they’re going to land on. 👿

  48. Basil: last year I saw some of that series on the Revolutionay War, about which we know very little compared to say the civil war. When I was young there were still a few civil war verterans living but the Revoultionary war was beyond the memory of living men obviously.

    George Washington was a remarkable man. There were so many times his character was tested and he always seemed to come through to the point that through the lens of history it almost seems that the fate of the country did in fact come down to the strength and tenacity of one man.

    The story of Benedict Arnond is compelling as well. His name is synomous with traitor but the fact is he was possibly Washingtons greatest general (excluding Nathan Greene), and he was treated very badly by the elites of his day before he ever embarked on the path of treason. There is the sense of Greek Tragedy to it. You might say his vanity and frustrated ambition got the better of him.

    The other guy I found interesting was Daniel Morgan the southern backwoodsman who commanded a guerilla army that took sweet revenge on the young british general who slaughtered american soldiers under Gates (as I recall after he fled the battlefield). In my opinion that young arrogant nihistic British officer had much in common with barack obama.

    The last thing that struck me was the bitter violent division between the patriots (us) and the torries (obamaniacs), and the blood that was shed. I never realized before that many of the tories went to England after the war ended while others I am sure went west and disappeared into the frontier. That would make an interesting theme for a novel wouldn’t it.

  49. According to a new survey from CNN and the Opinion Research Corp., the number of Clinton supporters who say they plan to vote for Obama has dropped from 60 percent to 54 percent, while the number who of them say they would stay home has risen from 22 percent to 32 percent.

    Wobei,
    He had a funny name, too, Banistre Tarlton. He was an arrogant, sadistic SOB, massacring the entire town of Waxhas, SC. 😈

    I missed the first couple of segments and now I might have to buy the entire series.

  50. Was at a small family picnic today, and my aunt, who’s a Waffles supporter, told me she was upset at Waffles for his recent flip-flops. She’s too much of a liberal ever to vote for McCain, but I found it significant she wasn’t exactly thrilled with him.

  51. Ignorant people will dismiss what I will now say, but every word of it is true. If Obama is like that young nihistic British officer who fired under a flag of truce (like Clyburn), then Hillary is certainly like George Washington who was forced to fight a war on behalf of the American People with dwindling support from the elites, and a well financed adversary.

    Who else do you know in our time that could have contended with a corrupt dnc, a pathological media and an unethical opponent and still won more votes than any candidate in history. In her campaign there was more than one Valley Forge, and we were right there with her werent we. But time and again she came through. And when she fell short she did not complain, but got up off the mat and fought on. Boxing champion Jack Dempsey once said that a champion is someone who gets knocked down, feels like staying down but somehow manages to get up off the mat and fight on to victory. That is the Hillary we know.

    I must tell you that some of the finest people I met in my life are Hillary supporters and that is why I will not let go of this when there is any chance to win. But it is also about the future of our country and that all depends on who we get as our next president–a patriot like Hillary or a big business shill like Obama–or John McCain. Low information voters need to be educated about this guy. We owe that much to the country.

  52. Paula, if Waffles keeps moving further to the right, he may end up, to the right of McCain. Then, your aunt could vote for McCain, since he will be more liberal. LOL!

    Basil and Wobei, I think, the movie “The Patriot” was loosely based upon Daniel Morgan. Some of the story fits. Remember, the movie with Mel Gibson?

  53. Wbboei

    Happy Independence Day, my friend.

    Nathanial Greene was a distant relative of mine. He spent a great deal of time at Cumberland Island in SE Coastal Georgia and although I cannot remember a great deal of the genealogy, I do know his blood is coursing through my veins somewhere. My sister is the family historian. When we speak again, I shall ask.

  54. (Please forgive any delays in my conversation here…i am back and forth between programs)

  55. The syntax of what I just said is confusing. Obama is the business shill. John McCain most definitely is not. He is a true patriot, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise whether his name is Obama, Axelrod, Burton, or Plough is a liar.

    If Mark Penn had been smart enough to give us a caucus strategy everything would be different right now. Whenever Hillary and Obama met in a debate she cleaned his clock, whenever a creative policy was needed she provided it and her copied it, and now that she campaigns for him hopefully not too often even detractors like Gerghen admit she is a much better campaigner. Like Betty Hutton to Howard Kell so is it with Hillary to Obama: anything you can do I can do better–including, lest we forget, run this country.

  56. Norma Desmond- I am impressed. I can see that patiotism runs in your family. You and he are fine examples of it. July 4 has special meaning then to you I am sure.

  57. wbboei,
    “Low information voters need to be educated about this guy. We owe that much to the country.”
    Agreed. but how?
    “Hillary is certainly like George Washington who was forced to fight a war on behalf of the American People with dwindling support from the elites, and a well financed adversary.’
    That’s what I was thinking as I watched the series. Even the way Washington continued to lead and serve after the victory at Yorktown, after his last son’s death, after all the tragedy of the previous six years reminds me of HRC’s stamina and courage.

  58. Norma,

    Nathaniel Greene was a distant relative? His strategy with the Cornwallis campaign was sheer genius.

    Birdgal,
    i never saw that movie.

  59. Basil: Tarleton, yes that is the name . . . . barry soreto, tarleton, waffles, bambi–a rose by any other name. Oooops, I am getting off script. He is not flip flopping when he says x one day and not X the following day, he is . . . . moving to the middle and enough about that what shall we call his white house dog. The power of the media to do a puff piece on a candidate or an attack piece is quite literally the power to create or destroy, based on the prefences of big business.

  60. Wbboei…He was from the early Rhode Island (1760’s) side of my family. We also had relatives in Cape Cod and then later Onandoga County NY. The Greenes came south with the war to upper Savannah and then the “relations” came a bit further south to Cumberland Island (GA) and spent time there and in the now-extinct town of Owen’s Ferry. My great great grandfather was a master carpenter there and legend has it they were the first to bring potato farming to south Georgia, saving many from the burden of the rice fields and offering a much less labor intensive and less costly crop. Greene has a memorial plaque somewhere still on Cumberland Island.

  61. Basil…he was quite a man. I cannot take any credit for his handling of Cornwallis, although I am now in possession of my AARP card!

  62. “Low information voters need to be educated about this guy. We owe that much to the country.”
    Agreed. but how?
    ———————————————-
    Through all the grass roots organizations that have been formed to get the truth out to voters. It is happening as we speak, and will gear up in the weeks and months ahead. PUMA, the Denver Group, 18 Million Voices, Hireheels and many others, it is a the seismic rumblings of grass roots democracy on the march. It is the same thing that brought down the old Soviet Union, as traditional sources of information shit in their mess kits and people go to other sources to find the real truth as opposed to the propaganda. Go to truthrains.com and you will see people who are are committed to the time honored concept of the small town newspaper that was part of the community and were committed simply telling them the balanced unvarnished truth. It is always dawn.

  63. Norma Desmond: thank you for the wonderful account. These are the stories we should be telling because they are inspiring and they tap into what we all have in common as Americans.

    When we all meet up in the great by and by I hope you will introduce me to General Greene. And I bet General Washington will not be far away.

  64. carbynew Says:
    July 4th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    As many of you know, the DLC held it’s Annual Conversation in Chicago on Sunday and Monday. Though no one would say it publicly, there was a fairly significant sense of disappointment that Barack Obama did not attend the event.
    &&&&&&&

    If you think about it, the DLC holding a meeting in Chicago, Obama’s home court, sounded like they were extending an olive branch out to him.

    And it sounds like he’s too over-confident, that he is willing to blow off these centrists. Yet isn’t one of Obama’s central themes is that he’s attacting voters from all over the spectrum???

    He’s taken some very right wing positions since, ahem, “winning” the nomination. But is he going to win the hard right? The racists? No way, Jose.

    But he’s going to ignore the centrists, the “purple” segment, the HIllary Bloc??? He’s going to bitch slap them every chance he gets, just to prove that “I won, nya-nya, nya-nya nya nya”????

    Yes, he’s that stupid, and that arrogant.

    I’m really fucking tired of hearing what a “gifted”, “shrewd”, “smart” politician he is. I saw every damn debate, he’s got the Bush dear-caught- in-the-headlights, “we’ll get smart people to run things so I can go exercise” syndrome.

    He’s going to fuck this up in one of a myriad of ways, and we’ll be there to make sure the voting public is aware of chow dangerous he is.

  65. I believe, that the Waffles camp is not reaching out, to the centrists, because they believe that we have no where else to go. What other explanation can there be? They believe that we will stay with the democratic? party.

  66. Was just sent this:

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

    But be mad, be very mad…

    and aware, and prepared.
    ——————————————-

    from MyDD today.

    Obama campaign, not Iowa Democratic Party, to coordinate GOTV in Iowa (desmoinesdem)

    According to this report at Iowa Independent, the Iowa Democratic Party’s “coordinated campaign” for getting out the vote has been disbanded, with “field staff that was previously working for down-ticket races now being placed on the payroll of Obama’s presidential campaign and working almost entirely on its behalf.” Bleeding Heartland is worried about how this will affect Democratic candidates in some battleground state legislative districts.

    Posted at 07/04/2008 12:50:56 PM EST – #

  67. It will a fine day when this idiot is defeated and the wind out of his sails and then he and his supporters will learn a valuable lesson, don’t diss the base and maybe then they will understand the middle of the road is the winning road!

  68. Well Birdgal, they shall see. The grass roots Wbboei (whom I hope to meet before the great beyond!) is true and alive. The thing that these fools do not realize, NOR UNDERSTAND is that true patriotism is much greater than the Party. The Party can be rebuilt, the Nation is not going to be sacrificed for their egos, Soros’ money nor their “vision” of “the Collective Good”.

    We fought several wars over “The Collective Good” and the thinking that tried mightily to bring that toxicology to our shores. I wear as a permanent fixture in the form of a bracelet I had made years ago, on my right wrist, the sterling silver wings that were my dads when he was in the Army Air Force in the China-Burma-India campaign in WWII. It is a daily reminder of my dad, and a daily reminder what America, when threatened with evil WILL DO. I will not sit idly by while this charlatan usurps a nation he knows NOTHING ABOUT, save for the skewed thinking of Sydney Anne Dunham, Frank Marshall Davis and Jeremiah Wright, and the South Side of Chicago where he did little for his neighbors as they froze and he wandered around his mansion with the wine cellar, the beveled glass and an IOU to Nadhim Auchi and Tony Rezko in his pocket.

  69. Emjay, they may be employing that strategy in all swing states. We’ll see. Iowa is a swing state.

  70. The fear I have from that news is that the buying of election officials is the next step.

  71. Bird, I know….and thank God the PRESS woke up for a moment and called that mayor on his shit….

    we cannot hope that they will do the right thing again, so it is up to us to turn out for McCain IN MASSES if Hillary is kicked to the curb again. The United States is again under attack, I believe that.

  72. There have been some voter registration irregularities in Louisiana i.e. registering dead people, pets, etc.

    Remember, Joe Kennedy bought votes during the 1960 election, which led to JFK being elected.

  73. I am making a video, and this is twice now Keith Ogreman’s picture has locked up the video program. I have to reboot. I’ll be back.

  74. RGB 44: Bambi= Arrogance + Power = Disaster

    The problem with power is it is fluid. Today you have it, tomorrow it is gone. So if Bambi had any sense of humility he would be reaching out to people in the dlc in anticipation of that rainy day. Personally, I am glad he didnt.

    Norma: fascinationg strory about your dad. The ceo of my old company was a pilot in the same campaign and flew over the hump many times. Prior to that he was with the Flying Tigers under Clare Chenault, and Madame Chang Kai Chek. He would order Bombai Martins three at a time, and he would have the bartender set an open bottle of vermouth across the table so the fumes would waft in the direction of the gin glass. He did not believe in spoiling good liquor. One night I drank nine of them with him and experienced the delirium tremors. That was the last time I ever ordered a martini.

  75. ABM 90: Happy July 4 to you my friend. You and your fellow soldiers who invaded Fortress Europe and won WWII were the greatest generation and it is good to know there are still some of you left to help guide us in these uncertain times. God Bless you.

  76. Debbie-thanks for the posting. It will help centist democrats, independents and republicans understand and prepare for what the left, neo-libs and big buiness are planning.

    Anymore we are the party of fractures and schisms. The rift developing between business hating leftists and business shill obama will widen and deepen over the course of time, when they finally realize they have been deceived. That goes for Hoffa too once Bambi repudiates his promise to terminate the federal government trusteeship.

  77. emjay,

    A comment from a NQ blogger:

    ‘ …saw an ad today in the Chicago Reader, a free progressive paper you pick up all over the city, for Obama Summer Workers who would make between $5000 and $8000 dollars for their campaigning for him his summer. Who says money can’t buy you love?’

  78. 46% of HRC voters won’t vote for BO; reported on CNN.

    clintondems.com/2008/07/poll-46-of-clinton-voters-wont-vote-obama/

  79. I’m not offering this as a Response Item because I couldn’t find a comment link.

    Jy 5, 2008 There has been an update to the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll I posted prevously. The figure currently quoted for Hillary supporters refusing to vote for Obama is 46% or 9 million, an increase of 2 million from last month’s poll.

    Note this is not an online poll but a poll taken in the real world outside the internet.

    h t t p : / / http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.html?iref=werecommend

    Poll: 43 percent of Dems still say they want Clinton as the party’s nominee
    Number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to McCain is down

    [ This story does not say how far down the Mc ]Cain group is. Knowing MSM, it could be like a fraction of a point down. 🙂

    In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey completed in early June before the New York senator ended her White House bid, 60 percent of Clinton backers polled said they planned on voting for Obama. In the latest poll, that number has dropped to 54 percent.

    43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party’s presidential nominee. That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party’s presidential ticket. [….]

    Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats polled in June; now he garners 54 percent.


    Have I misread something? Oddly, this seems to say that both 46% of HIllary supporters AND 46% of registered Democrats will not support Obama.

    Anyway, 46% is up from last month’s 39% of Hillary supporters, which was 7 million. 46% of Hillary’s 18 million supporters would be more like 9 million.
    =================================

  80. basil9

    9 Million people not voting for O is a large worrisome number. The flow is going in the wrong Direction

    SDs what school of politics did you go to. I did not go to any, and I would want the election results in my packet before I went out on the limb for my career for this one.

    Last I heard, others own those voting machines.

    SDS NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE RISK AS IT IS GETTING HIGHER.

    WHEN WILL O CLOSE THE DEAL. THE ONLY DEAL HE HAS CLOSED IS WITH HOWARD DEAN. HIS UNITY IS A FARCE. YOU HAVE TO TAKE TO THE VOTERS. HE WANTS TO RUN ADS AND TALK ONLY TO THE BIG MONEY. MONEY DID NOT HELP HIM WITH HRC, SO WHY WOULD IT IN NOVEMBER.

    T H I N K A B O U T I T SDS

  81. Sorry for the shouting, but I also mean pocket not packet. I need to wake up a little.

    As for Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy, I think he was the one that lost his election, and did not get even to first base. So I guess he knows???

    The 50 state strategy works for the Republicans, as they know how to apply it.

  82. Actually Obama has always hit both extremes. He got an ‘extreme liberal’ rating mostly on social issues such as abortion (often by voting ‘present’ or not being present). But when it doesn’t show on that sort of rating, he changes the fine print to please big money interests (or votes for them then claims he hit the wrong button). His financial advisors are ‘Chicago school’ Reagan free trade types.

    He’s a corporate dream candidate: the money stuff without the pesky Religious Right. And he masquerades as some kind of liberal or reformer, to keep a REAL liberal or reformer (or even a real centrist) from being elected. Or, in this case, nominated.

  83. PumaResponders response item:

    h t t p : / / isaacs.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/04/1640057-both-left-and-right-pile-on-obama#comments
    About 50 comments so far. Pretty simple site to post at.
    —————————–
    To join PumaResponders email list, email 1950democrat/at/gmail/com

  84. In last week’s column, I thought I had thoroughly chronicled Obama’s brazen reversals of position and abandonment of principles — on public financing of campaigns, on NAFTA, on telecom immunity for post-Sept. 11 wiretaps, on unconditional talks with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — as he moved to the center for the general election campaign. I misjudged him. He was just getting started.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/03/AR2008070302451.html

  85. meiyingsu, good story about the flip-flops.

    Now that they (MSM Hillary Haters) have gotten rid of Hillary, they are now free to resume disparaging Dems in general, as they are apt to do.

    And if enough SDs get cold feet and change their minds by August, MSM can resume trashing Hillary.

    BTW, does anyone know what reprisals / statements may have recently come from the groups he’s thrown under the bus? Like NARAL after his decision to not count “mental distress” as a health condition in determining a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy? Or MoveOn getting “left at the altar”?

  86. Actually Obama has always hit both extremes. He got an ‘extreme liberal’ rating mostly on social issues such as abortion (often by voting ‘present’ or not being present). But when it doesn’t show on that sort of rating, he changes the fine print to please big money interests (or votes for them then claims he hit the wrong button). His financial advisors are ‘Chicago school’ Reagan free trade types.

    He’s a corporate dream candidate: the money stuff without the pesky Religious Right. And he masquerades as some kind of liberal or reformer, to keep a REAL liberal or reformer (or even a real centrist) from being elected. Or, in this case, nominated
    ———————————————

    Turndownobama: EXACTLY!

  87. basil9 Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    46% of HRC voters won’t vote for BO; reported on CNN.
    &&&&&&

    That is an extremely high defection rate. It is also not very surprising to the more informed voters such as you’d encounter at this web site.

    I am certain that the way he was declared “victor”, how it took the SDs to drag him over the finish line (which Donna Brazile said would cause her to leave the party, “Hey, you’re still here , Donna?”), is one of the primary reasons for the defections. There are other reasons too.

    &&&&
    But wait, there’s more. If you order right now, we’ll throw in for free all the defections from all the recently sold-out factions:

    NARAL’s repro rights, free.
    MoveOn’s end-the-war, free
    Kos & Olbermann’s FISA fillibuster, free.

    Coming up, the next attraction: The Amazing Imploding Candidate.

  88. If this has been posted before, please forgive me. The link was sent to me in an e-mail.

    “Women under Carriages, under Street Cars, and under Buses”

    An excerpt:

    “From the birth of this country down to present day, women are the forgotten citizens. When they assert their rights, some war, some other movement, a disease, some other man or even the rights of proto-humans are placed before them and many just fall in. We take care of our gay brothers suffering from aids while the last few states fail to ratify the ERA. We support the abolition movement to free and give rights to Black Americans and votes to black men while we’re considered property way into the 1970s and cannot achieve the vote until 1920. We march. We do all the behind the scene work and organizing. Then, when we ask for the vote, for our place in governing, for our right to lead, we are told that would be expedient to larger movements. This is true of black civil rights movements, labor movements, peace movements or antiwar movements, and the founding of our nation and so ad infinitum.

    We are not only approaching our annual celebration of Independence Day. We have come upon the 160th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention. The women who met during that July suggested this addition to the Declaration of Independence and penned their own tome the Declaration of Sentiments.

    It was signed by a number of women leaders including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. The first women’s rights conference in the United States Convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York on July 19 and 20, 1848. Few will be celebrating this historic gathering or probably even know of it. One hundred and sixty years after the convention, the equality that Elizabeth Cady Stanton demands still eludes us.

    The eloquent Frederick Douglass, a former slave and now editor of the Rochester North Star, however, swayed the gathering into agreeing to the resolution. At the closing session, Lucretia Mott won approval of a final resolve “for the overthrowing of the monopoly of the pulpit, and for the securing to woman equal participation with men in the various trades, professions and commerce.”

    Source: http://www.npg.si.edu/col/seneca/senfalls1.htm

    This is the same Frederick Douglass who later threw women under the carriage for Black male suffrage. In 1869, an amendment was proposed to Congress that guarantees “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

    Douglass told women to wait since it was easier to get the proposed amendment through congress if it guaranteed black males the right to vote, but not women. This is exactly what happened. Women had to wait.

    For over two centuries, American women had few civil or political rights. Wives had to do what they were told by their husband. Until 1884, a wife was officially listed as one of her husband’s possessions. Women stayed slaves for years after the emancipation proclamation was signed.

    dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/women-under-carriages-under-street-cars-and-under-buses/

  89. This article was sent to me, via an e-mail.

    “Women under Carriages, under Street Cars, and under Buses”

    An excerpt:

    “If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or representation.”

    Important anniversaries are on us. This quote by the second first lady of the United States, Abigail Adams, is as fresh and pertinent as it was when she penned this in a letter to her husband in 1776.

    From the birth of this country down to present day, women are the forgotten citizens. When they assert their rights, some war, some other movement, a disease, some other man or even the rights of proto-humans are placed before them and many just fall in. We take care of our gay brothers suffering from aids while the last few states fail to ratify the ERA. We support the abolition movement to free and give rights to Black Americans and votes to black men while we’re considered property way into the 1970s and cannot achieve the vote until 1920. We march. We do all the behind the scene work and organizing. Then, when we ask for the vote, for our place in governing, for our right to lead, we are told that would be expedient to larger movements. This is true of black civil rights movements, labor movements, peace movements or antiwar movements, and the founding of our nation and so ad infinitum.

    We are not only approaching our annual celebration of Independence Day. We have come upon the 160th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention. The women who met during that July suggested this addition to the Declaration of Independence and penned their own tome the Declaration of Sentiments.

    It was signed by a number of women leaders including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott. The first women’s rights conference in the United States Convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York on July 19 and 20, 1848. Few will be celebrating this historic gathering or probably even know of it. One hundred and sixty years after the convention, the equality that Elizabeth Cady Stanton demands still eludes us.

    “The eloquent Frederick Douglass, a former slave and now editor of the Rochester North Star, however, swayed the gathering into agreeing to the resolution. At the closing session, Lucretia Mott won approval of a final resolve “for the overthrowing of the monopoly of the pulpit, and for the securing to woman equal participation with men in the various trades, professions and commerce.”

    This is the same Frederick Douglass who later threw women under the carriage for Black male suffrage. In 1869, an amendment was proposed to Congress that guarantees “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

    Douglass told women to wait since it was easier to get the proposed amendment through congress if it guaranteed black males the right to vote, but not women. This is exactly what happened. Women had to wait.

    For over two centuries, American women had few civil or political rights. Wives had to do what they were told by their husband. Until 1884, a wife was officially listed as one of her husband’s possessions. Women stayed slaves for years after the emancipation proclamation was signed.

    dakiniland.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/women-under-carriages-under-street-cars-and-under-buses/

  90. Norma Desmond: great video. It is what people need to understand. It is shows the connection between what happened to Hillary and what happens to women here and throughout the world, by varying degrees. If people would start listeneing to those voices we would all be better off. Imagine what it woud be like today if we had addressed issues like heath care, education etc. years ago when Hillary was the lone voice in the political wilderness talking about them. We must ensure that Hillary’s message is not co-opted by party functionaries who say me too now, but refused to stand up and be counted when it mattered. When they start that shit they need to be asked just that: regadless of what you claim to believe now, where were you when it counted?

  91. Norma, Great video. I had tears in my eyes. Lennon was right: “Woman is the nigger of the world.”

  92. good day everyone!

    so……. hope all had a great 4th of july yesterday…i know we did!

    in fact……. i never saw one canvasser for obama all day long at the park (wonder if no one showed up?)

    did anyone here anything on obambi’s “townhall” that was supposed to be held yesterday???

  93. In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey completed in early June before the New York senator ended her White House bid, 60 percent of Clinton backers polled said they planned on voting for Obama. In the latest poll, that number has dropped to 54 percent.

    43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party’s presidential nominee. That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party’s presidential ticket. [….]
    Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats polled in June; now he garners 54 percent.
    ———————————————–
    Turndownobama: this erosion in support for bambi is encouraging. More people are beginning to see the light. One would hope that his succession of flip flops would have continuing impact. For what it is worth I understand through second hand sources that Republican internals reflect an even deeper erosion of support for Bambi than that. The one thing everyone agrees on is to view anything cnn or msnbc says about this election with profund distrust, bordering on contrarian analysis, i.e. if anderson, or todd says x, then the truth is either Y or not X.

  94. wbboei

    So why do they get paid the 6 figure salaries again. OK, I guess to influence the voters, NOT.

    I just had to say that.

  95. The 800 pound gorilla in the living room is the independent vote, so don’t lets get so focused on the dems that we lose site of what is happening there. Do we have any reliable polling data on that group? I suspect there is a higher percentage of low information voters there only because their non-membership in either party could reflect a lower level of interest in the process, with noteable exceptions. I think we need to get the truth out about him to independents in swing states. I suspect there will be much focus on that. They have got to know that what you see with bambi is not at all what you get, just ask all those groups he has thrown under the bus in his quest for absolute power.

  96. Just because Obama is paying workers, does not mean they will vote for him. I hope they throw alll his literature in the trash. A lot of people who work for campaigns don’t even vote. They just want the money. When you see campaign workers working for free, you know these are dedicated people

  97. EXPLAINING ODD POLL RESULTS:

    From noquarter comments section:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/obama-fails-to-attract-hillarys-supporters/#more-3437

    Comment by Mr. X | 2008-07-05 11:03:09

    The reason the number of registered Dem Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain is down is because many of them are no longer registered Dems. Even so, Obama’s support in his own party is STILL dwindling.

    Amazing! Amazing!

    I’d like to see a poll based on people who were registered Dems in Nov 2007 regardless of their current status.
    &&&&&

    Well said, Mr. X.

  98. Norma Desmond:

    Wow! Fantastic Youtube video about the suppression of women and the strength of HRC.

    Ought to pull a fast one and change out some carefully-selected propoganda planned to show/present at the DNC Convention. If changing the lyrics to the National Anthem (to represent a different stance) at important Denver event goes off without a hitch with only a slap on the hand met with “Oops, sorry,” flies, then hey………..

    As it is, the DNC Convention will be like a communist happening with all the Hitlers running around saluting each other. Legends in their own minds. Posted at every door, the end of every aisle. Might as well wear the get-ups to match. Remembering the attire of the communist soldiers in movies and how they turned on their own.

    Young man in Sound of Music goes from singing “I am seventeen going on eighteen,” to literally blowing the whistle on the whole family hiding in a Christian cemetery. We may as well be witnessing the same thing. Innocense vs. Corruption. Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Amazing how Marxism/Comminism robs weak and unprincipled people of their self-respect and they succumb to projecting their self-loathing onto others.

    Scary that we are surrounded by millions of these types of people. The battle is on. Fighting for the heart and soul of the United States of America, to hell with The Party.

  99. djia
    July 3

    You are mad about the Arnold’s Park gambit..now check this out:

    It adds insult to injury- this is on MyDD yesterday aft.

    Obama campaign, not Iowa Democratic Party, to coordinate GOTV in Iowa (desmoinesdem) Posted at 07/04/2008 12:50:56 PM EST –

    According to this report at Iowa Independent, the Iowa Democratic Party’s “coordinated campaign” for getting out the vote has been disbanded, with “field staff that was previously working for down-ticket races now being placed on the payroll of Obama’s presidential campaign and working almost entirely on its behalf.”

    Bleeding Heartland [a blogger, I think] is worried about how this will affect Democratic candidates in some battleground state legislative districts.
    ————————
    Swear to God..I feel under attack, or threat of same. Lived in base housing w/ husband confined to base ops in Oct ’62. At least we believed we knew what was happening because of the preparedness meetings. This feels like a sneak attack that few know about…with no orders re how to proceed “in case of…”

    He and his minions are not just swallowing the DNC, they are now taking over state Dem parties as well.

    This “group” has to be stopped.

    Remember too, what WBBoei said yesterday:

    “I believe there is no great mystery here. The question of what he really believes is irrelevant. He is a shill for big business and that is where it stops starts and ends. The right gets hung up on him being a liberal, the left worries about him moving to the center and both are wrong. If you want to know what he belives take a look at the global business interests who are backing him which I posted here last night, and Soros the night before and remember the old saying he who pays the piper calls the tune.”

    Emjay (just another chunk of chopped liver)

  100. I just read an interesting article from that LaRouche guy. He said that George Soros and the trilateral commission(aka illuminati) are running Obama and used him to defeat Hillary. Once he got this done he will throw Obama under the bus. He even went so far as to say that Hillary was threatened with assassination if she took this to Denver! It was pretty interesting, I know alot of you probably dismiss Lyndon LaRouche, but I find his thoughts for the most part good, for the exception of the United Kingdom. I do think this election is being run by the trilateral commission and the DNC is bought and paid for by the George Soros of this world. Only time will tell how exactly this will work out if Obama is elected. I don’t think McCain is part of anybodies plan. I think the Democrats are in and the only thing the AA’s see is that it will be a black man elected, selected.
    LaRouche seems to compare Hillary to FDR and that FDR was the one president that worked against what the trilateral commission is trying to do. Hence, the treatment of Hillary since she came on the scene in 1992.
    Somehow, we need her to get her elected and put her in a bullet proof box for 8 years! I think she is “The One” to save us and they know it!

  101. Obama Protesteth Too Much
    by David Limbaugh (more by this author)
    Posted 07/04/2008 ET
    Updated 07/04/2008 ET

    Sen. Barack Obama spoke on the subject of patriotism this past week in an effort to undo some of the damage he has already inflicted on his own image — through his associations, his statements and policy positions — and to obscure his liberalism.

    Liberals rightly feel defensive about their patriotism because they always seem to find themselves blaming the United States for this or that, exhorting us to be more like the “enlightened” nations of Europe or forever shouting that we are a “laughing stock” in the eyes of other nations.

    It was not a conservative who wrote in an editorial this week: “Tuck the soaring speeches in a drawer for another time. This year, America doesn’t deserve to celebrate its birthday. This Fourth of July should be a day of quiet and atonement. For we have sinned.”

    It was Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Chris Satullo, who, like so many liberals, is angry at America because he sees it as standing for torturing prisoners, imprisoning enemy combatants without hearings, rendition and other denials of human rights. According to Satullo, America isn’t safer because our alleged abuses have “spawned new enemies by the thousands, made the jihadist rants ring true to so many ears. So put out no flags. Sing no patriotic hymns. We deserve no Fourth this year.”

    Sorry, but you just don’t hear much of this type of rhetoric from conservatives. And Obama and the entire Democratic establishment know it.

    When conservatives reflect on America, the first things that come to their minds are not exaggerated tales about waterboarding or deliberately hatched lies about the National Security Agency spying on innocent old American ladies.

    They beam with pride that America is still the greatest, freest and most prosperous nation in the history of the world. They see it as a beneficent promoter and defender of what is right, not as a stingy, imperial bully.

    Obama’s patriotism problem isn’t just related to his liberalism. He has earned demerits in this category in his own right by refusing to wear a flag pin and foolishly — and defiantly — trying to justify it. Also, there are the statements of his wife that she is proud of America for the first time in her life, his associations with William Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his contemptuous assessment of small-town America, and his typically liberal appeasement and blame-America-first orientation.

    Doubtlessly realizing all this, Obama delivered his patriotism speech in Independence, Mo. — the heart of that small-town America he consummately insulted and alienated. While I disagree with much of what he said in his speech, my main problem is that his words were carefully designed to mask the extent of his extreme liberalism.

    His description of patriotism wasn’t entirely objectionable. But as with all of Obama’s flowery orations, we should look beyond the rhetoric. What we really ought to be asking is whether he qualifies as a patriot under his own definition of the term.

    He said: “Patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people. Instead, it is also loyalty to America’s ideals — ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend, or give their last full measure of devotion.”

    Yes, but do Obama-style liberals really get warm and fuzzy over America’s ideals? Do they really share the predominant worldview of the Founders of this nation, as Obama implies?

    America’s Founders believed that owning firearms is a necessary and indispensable personal right. They did not consider abortion a sacred right of women. They did not oppose capital punishment and certainly didn’t intend to outlaw it in the Eighth Amendment. They would have been horrified with the liberals’ idea that we should fight wars through the courts instead of on battlefields and confer constitutional rights on noncitizen enemy combatants outside the territorial jurisdiction of this country. They did not believe in suppressing Christian expression or symbols in the public square or in selectively honoring free speech and censoring that which certain elites and malcontents consider to be politically incorrect or to be threatening to their liberal mainstream media monopoly. Their instinct was not to side with hostile nations or surrender our national sovereignty. They didn’t believe that appellate judges should make law. Even the most radical federalists among them would have been mortified at the evisceration of states’ rights that has occurred under expansive activist interpretations of the Commerce Clause and the use of the tax code to punish producers and radically redistribute wealth to the point that almost half the people don’t pay income taxes.

    Ask yourself: When it comes to his patriotism, does Obama protest too much?
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27364&page=1
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    Obama is ALL about SELF and those IDIOTS DEMOCTRATIC? Taliban LEADERS is hurting our party…so it is time to TAKE OUR PARTY BACK AND PURGE out all the crappy LEADERSHIP or LET THEM KNOW WE WILL NOT TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!

  102. Norma Desmond

    Just watched your film…first I will weep -I can’t see the screen right now anyway…Then I will have a celebratory whooping fest-
    cause there are so many powerful women and thinking men here, and out there, that I don’t feel totally hopeless, like I have for the past month.

    I am proud I know the real you.

    Emjay
    Liver Lover

  103. Hey y’all….waiting t finish painting…big thunderstorm nearby and I don’t want to have my aluminum painter’s poll be a lightning rod for a quick trip to heaven!

    Thanks for the comments on my video. I hope some of you will rate it as the trolls have already swooped in behaving like white blood cells.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwSc_BMQHs

    I have some others in mind…not so “heavy” but this one just happened, and I wanted to see if I could make one at all! This is my first…Wait til the empowering and humorous ones come forth! I HAVE to do SOMETHING about alll this crap.

    Confloyd…I used to think LaRouche was off his nut, but have come to learn the Institute has come back around to doing real research. You are right on about Soros, I believe. Problem is, when only Rush and LaRouche are talking about him the story gets a “credibility” problem. We need more INDEPENDENT folks to come out against what is happening. Although, I am afraid these people will stop at nothing. If what they say about Hillary being threatened with assassination is true, then we all have a LOT more to fear than anyone realizes. I mean, my God. Who the fuck IS Obama? Obama cannot be trusted

  104. Emjay

    I don’t think they have the level of volunteers yesterday so i don’t think it actually happened
    as i saw no registration tables set up, no volunteers going around talking to people, no BHO buttons,stickers etc

    not even a flyer LMAO!!

    but! i did get the phone calls the day before………of course as i posted in the previous thread
    they didn’t like what we had to tell them 😀

    PUMA

  105. If I were advising the Republican Party at this point, I would take note of how quickly the obama cancer is menastsicizing through the subordinate bodies of the democratic party, the well financed grass roots strategy he is implementing and the way he is reducing the policy differences extant between himself and John on various fronts so he can run as an American Idol, and conclude that a full scale attack on his image grounded on specific, accurate and verifiable information must begin now in order to preempt this thing. There is a momentum here and John needs to get out in front of the power curve.

    When I have these thoughts in the past I have disciplined myself to step back and realize that I may be overreacting, I do not see the entire chess board, and really smart people are running the campaign for the candidate. For example? Why, Mark Penn of course. Suffice it to say I will never again assume that the people at the top of an organization know what they are doing just because they are there. Too often they are responding to a whole different set of incentives and ignoring important feedback from reality.

    I have seen I would sooner trust my gut on these things fallable though it might be. And what my gut tells me here is that it is madness for the Republicans to grant him this hiatus. What they need to do, in my opinion, is launch a full scale attack on this image of his now and not wait a nano second. Forget about this October surprise. the resurgence of Hillary or whatever else is now holding you back. Do it now. And when you do it make absolutely sure that everything you say is truthful and can be documented through credible authority. If you wait to attack you will repeat the mistake John Kerry. Time is of the essence.

    Yup. That’s what I would say if I were advising the Republicans.

  106. face it it was a brilliant move….stay far left to gain the support of all the progressives…like cattle to slaughter and almost catatonic they followed

    get on the train we are shipping you to a wonderful place, you won’t need much we’ll provide it. oh did I tell you where? it’s Auschwitz, or if you prefer Treblinka, millions of people visited there and they must have liked it so much that most never left.

    don’t worry, indulge yourself with hopium and koolaid, we’ll guarantee change you can bet on it. today we’ll say one thing and tomorrow something else..is that change enough for you.

  107. By George I have got it. The new mantra that combines the experience of Soros and the transcent message of bambi:

    CHANGE THAT WILL KILL YOU.

  108. wbboei, I agree, this man has gotten away with things that would have sunk most candidates, I can’t understand why it isn’t happening! Our democracy as we know it today is on a very thin line. The gas prices are so high that they are affecting the food prices. This is exactly how the trilateral commission controls nations, they make food in short supply either by price or by being scarce. It doesn’t look like we are going to be getting any relief of gas or food prices. I can’t ever go to the grocery store without overhearing people worrying about the prices. It’s getting scary out there, folks!

  109. Soros tanks economies. That is what he DOES FOR A LIVING, and makes BILLIONS in the process. Then he rebuilds nations in the image he wants to see.

    Behold the puppet master, and his flim-flam-flip-flop sock puppet Obama.

    Note to GS: We have a CONSTITUTION in this country. A self-correcting way of doing things. Just because it doesn’t fit your timeline, well…sorry.

  110. Debbie @ 1:58: excellent analysis and analogy. I did not see your comments until after I posted. If I had I would have mentioned it becasue they are right on target.

  111. OBAMA, THE SANJAYA OF POLITICS:

    wbboei Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    If I were advising the Republican Party at this point, I would take note of how quickly the obama cancer is menastsicizing through the subordinate bodies of the democratic party, the well financed grass roots strategy he is implementing and the way he is reducing the policy differences extant between himself and John on various fronts so he can run as an American Idol…
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Sanjaya. That’s the American Idol who Obama is most like. Young, fun, easy smile. Not much talent. In fact, it hurts your ears.

    So the producers of the show kept him in there, way too long, week after week, because he was so popular, ignoring the whole lack of skill thing.

    Obama, the Sanjaya of politics.

    And we know what happened to Sanjaya…

  112. Confloyd: as you may recall, I posted an article on Soros which was drawn from the very source you cite. It included an interview of Soros which was conducted by Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes on February 20, 1998. In that interview he admits on the record that he confiscated property of Jews who were put in box cars and sent off to death camps. Now there are those who might be inclined to excuse this since he was only 14 and those were wartime conditions. But what we find instead is that at the mature age of 68 he felt no guilt about it and sees it as analogous to how markets operate in creating winners and losers.

    Given this history I shall not scruple to call him a Nazi collaborator. There is a coldness about him that reminds you of a sharks eyes. And he is one of the key financial backers of Obama. Put that in your pipe and smoke it all you touchy feely leftists. And just remember he who pays the piper calls the tune. The charitable work he does is merely a cover. And you can be pretty sure he takes a charitable donation for it. So who are we really kidding?

  113. here’s Pastor Mannings latest comments!

    h t t p : / / w w w.you t u b e.c o m /w a t c h?v=s Q X 7 A w ju i40

  114. confloyd- I’m looking on Larouchepac and not seeing these exact references. Can you link the article?

    confloyd Says:
    July 5th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I just read an interesting article from that LaRouche guy. He said that George Soros and the trilateral commission(aka illuminati) are running Obama and used him to defeat Hillary. Once he got this done he will throw Obama under the bus. He even went so far as to say that Hillary was threatened with assassination if she took this to Denver! It was pretty interesting, I know alot of you probably dismiss Lyndon LaRouche, but I find his thoughts for the most part good, for the exception of the United Kingdom. I do think this election is being run by the trilateral commission and the DNC is bought and paid for by the George Soros of this world

  115. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200806/POL20080630a.html

    Obama’s for Equal Pay, Yet Pays Female Staffers Less Than Males
    By Fred Lucas
    CNSNews.com Staff Writer
    June 30, 2008

    (CNSNews.com) – While Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has vowed to make pay equity for women a top priority if elected president, an analysis of his Senate staff shows that women are outnumbered and out-paid by men.

    That is in contrast to Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s Senate office, where women, for the most part, out-rank and are paid more than men.

    Obama spoke in Albuquerque, N.M. last week about his commitment to the issue and his support of a Senate bill to make it easier to sue an employer for pay discrimination.

    “Mr. McCain is an honorable man, we respect his service. But when you look at our records and our plans on issues that matter to working women, the choice could not be clearer,” Obama told the audience in New Mexico, a voter-swing state. “It starts with equal pay. Sixty-two percent of working women in America earn half or more than of their family’s income. But women still earn 77 cents for every dollar earned by men in 2008. You’d think that Washington would be united it its determination to fight for equal pay.”

    He continued, saying that he is proud to have supported the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, which would extend the limit on how long an employee can wait before suing an employer for pay discrimination.

    The legislation was named after Lilly Ledbetter, who was a supervisor at Goodyear Tire & Rubber’s plant in Gadsden, Ala. She sued for pay discrimination before retiring after 19 years because she had made $6,500 less per year than the lowest paid male supervisor.

    However, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out her case, saying she waited too long to file a complaint. The court said that under the 1964 Civil Rights Act, an employee must sue within 180 days of a decision regarding pay if alleged discrimination is involved. The bill sought to change the law, but Democrats could not muster the needed 60 votes to override a Republican filibuster.

    Obama voted for the equal pay litigation bill in April. McCain was campaigning that day and did not vote. But he has expressed opposition to the legislation, fearing it would open the door to too much litigation.

    On average, women working in Obama’s Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator. That’s according to data calculated from the Report of the Secretary of the Senate, which covered the six-month period ending Sept. 30, 2007. Of the five people in Obama’s Senate office who were paid $100,000 or more on an annual basis, only one — Obama’s administrative manager — was a woman.

    The average pay for the 33 men on Obama’s staff (who earned more than $23,000, the lowest annual salary paid for non-intern employees) was $59,207. The average pay for the 31 women on Obama’s staff who earned more than $23,000 per year was $48,729.91. (The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama’s staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729. The report indicated that Obama had only one paid intern during the period, who was a male.)

    McCain, an Arizona senator, employed a total of 69 people during the reporting period ending in the fall of 2007, but 23 of them were interns. Of his non-intern employees, 30 were women and 16 were men. After excluding interns, the average pay for the 30 women on McCain’s staff was $59,104.51. The 16 non-intern males in McCain’s office, by comparison, were paid an average of $56,628.83.

    The Obama campaign did not respond to written questions submitted on the matter Thursday by Cybercast News Service .

    During his Albuquerque speech, Obama criticized McCain for supporting the Supreme Court ruling on the pay-equity issue.

    “Sen. McCain thinks the Supreme Court got it right,” Obama said. “He opposed the Fair Pay Restoration Act. He suggested that the reason women don’t have equal pay isn’t discrimination on the job – it’s because they need more education and training. That’s just totally wrong.”

    Obama continued, “Lilly Ledbetter’s problem was not that she was somehow unqualified or unprepared for higher-paying positions. She most certainly was and by all reports was an excellent employee. Her problem was that her employer paid her less than men doing the exact same work.”

  116. count the votes: I found it at this site, it has several articles and I think it was this one!
    larouchepac.com/news/2008/05/08/webcast-transcript-tragedy-and-hope.html

  117. My favorite comment so far at my video

    “bringiton2 has made a comment on Lift the Veil. Hillary Clinton Beijing.

    “choke on a dick “

  118. Thanks very much ConFloyd.

    Texan4Hillary – yes, I know Larouche is batso, but sometimes he gets it right.

  119. just be wary guys. here is some about larouche’s holocaust denial-

    On the Jewish faith and Jewish culture. LaRouche attacks Judaism as the religion of the “Roman merchant-usurer who had not yet evolved to the state of Papal Enlightenment, a half-Christian, who had not yet developed a Christian conscience” and Jewish culture as “merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim” (The Campaigner, December 1973).

    Cover page of the above.
    On Zionism. LaRouche claims (New Solidarity, August 22, 1978) that the Zionist Lobby is “the most visible of the internal enemies of the United States–and of the human race–at this specific moment. Every policy it is currently pushing is pure evil….” He also asserts that most Jews have a “paranoid” fear of anti-Semitism. If their alleged paranoia causes them to support Israel and the likes of the Anti-Defamation League, their “guilt is comparable in effect to that of the dewy-eyed Bavarian boys who, as ordinary SS men, guarded the KZ camps.” LaRouche further would have us believe that “the Nazis did not kill six million jews, but they did kill upwards of a million and a half.” (Note the insulting use of the low-case “j” throughout this article in referring to Jews.) LaRouche’s references to “slave-labor” camps and “KZ” (concentration) camps rather than the extermination camps reflect his assertion in an earlier article (“New Pamphlet to Document Cult Origins of Zionism,” New Solidarity, Dec. 8, 1978) that the 1.5 million Jews whom he concedes died were the victims of “the Nazi policy of labor-intensive ‘appropriate technology’ for the employment of ‘inferior races,’ a small fraction of the tens of millions of others–especially Slavs–who were murdered….” (In other words, LaRouche denies there was any deliberate gas-chamber extermination campaign against the Jews.)

    http://www.lyndonlarouchewatch.org/examples.htm

  120. here yah go,
    Home > U.S. News > Politics
    Webcast Transcript: “Tragedy and Hope”
    Increase DecreaseThis is the proofread version. The Q+A section to be coming, shortly.

    Lyndon LaRouche delivered this address in Washington, D.C., on May 7; it was simultaneously broadcast over the Internet by the LaRouche Political Action Committee (www.larouchepac.com). LaRouche’s opening remarks were followed by two hours of discussion, moderated by his national spokeswoman, Debra Freeman.

    Debra Freeman: Good afternoon. My name is Debra Freeman, and on behalf of LaRouche PAC, I’d like to welcome all of you to today’s historic event.

    Undoubtedly, many of you commented prior to today’s event, and coming into today’s event, on the timing of it—the fact that it was scheduled to take place the day after the critical primaries in Indiana and North Carolina. What I would say to you today, and what I think Mr. LaRouche will make unmistakably clear, is that, in fact, what kept the nation riveted to their TV screens last night, was really not very much different than any other primetime drama that they were watching. That, in fact, they did not understand what was being played out. Because, indeed, what we are facing in our nation today, is not simply a “primary election campaign.” We are not facing a race between two Democrats, and ultimately, between a Democrat and a Republican: What we are facing in our nation, is what we have faced in this nation, since the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and that is, a war for the survival of republican forces, uniquely, American forces, against those of the British Empire. And today, that war has come to its final stage.

    Where things go in the United States, and in the world at large, will not be decided at some political convention in August, nor will it be decided at some general election in November. The strategic questions which determine the future of this nation, and in fact, the future of the planet, will be determined today, will be determined based on how the leadership of this nation responds to the strategic questions before us, right now.

    Both as a former Presidential candidate, as a statesman, as an economist, and as the chairman and founder of this political action committee, Lyndon LaRouche has put those questions before the U.S. population, repeatedly. And in fact, it has been the organizing of his movement, that has already largely shaped the issues in this ongoing national election in the United States. But the fact is, that not enough of the American people yet understand what is at stake. And not enough of the leaders, or would-be leaders of our nation, understand what is at stake.

    I think that Mr. LaRouche’s presentation today, will go a long way toward helping them to understand precisely that: So, Ladies and Gentlemen, please join me in welcoming Lyndon LaRouche.

    The Election Is a Battle in a War
    Lyndon LaRouche: Thank you all. Thank you, Debra.

    The issue is not the election. The election is a battle in a war. It is not something unto itself. The result of this election, in itself, is a matter of indifference. It’s a question of how the battle is won and lost which is important.

    We have, obviously, two disasters running for President, though one has a good constituency—that is, Obama has a very large constituency, which is important; it is sensitive to the lower 80% of family-income brackets, as the top of the Obama campaign is not—it’s on the other side. But Hillary’s campaign is significant. But the issue is, that forces in Britain, with their stooges in the United States, have said that a Hillary Clinton election—even a nomination—would mean that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton would be in the White House. And this, the British Empire, such as it is, and its lackeys in Washington and elsewhere, are determined shall not happen; and you’re talking about methods such as assassination, if deemed necessary to prevent Hillary from becoming President.

  121. I am automatically weary of anyone or anything that tries to paint the likes of LaRouche as an antisemetic. These people that are controlling our elections don’t want us to know who is really in charge. They are a secret organization and don’t want us to know what they are up to. I don’t know LaRouche, but some of his stuff seems plausible, but I not sure about the Jewish lobby and how he feels about it and I really don’t care because he seems to be one target with the trilateral union.

  122. NYT article on Howard Dean’s disastrous Convention adventure in Denver.

    Shall we say burn, burn and burn down that freaking Convention?
    Rising Convention Costs and Delays Worry Democrats

    For all Senator Barack Obama’s success raising money and generating excitement among voters, he faces a daunting challenge as he prepares to claim the nomination in August: a Democratic convention effort marred by costly setbacks and embarrassing delays.

    With the Denver convention less than two months away, problems range from the serious — upwardly spiraling costs on key contracts still being negotiated — to the more mundane, like the reluctance of local caterers to participate because of stringent rules on what delegates will be eating, down to the color of the food. At last count, plans to renovate the inside of the Pepsi Center for the Democrats are $6 million over budget, which may force convention planners to scale back on their original design or increase their fund-raising goals.

  123. The convention is being organized by the Democratic National Committee, which is run by Howard Dean, with his chief of staff, the Rev. Leah D. Daughtry, leading the effort. Only in the last month has the Obama campaign been able to take over management of the convention planning with the candidate claiming the nomination, and his aides are increasingly frustrated, as the event nears, at organizers who they believe spent too freely, planned too slowly and underestimated actual costs.

    The Obama campaign has dispatched 10 people to Denver to help “get a handle on the budget and make hard decisions” about what has to be done and how to move forward, said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

    With Democrats seeking to use the convention to move past the bitterness of their bruising primary fight, the gathering in Denver Aug. 25-28 is likely to draw intense interest as the Obama forces try to show a once-divided party rallying around the nominee. And their convention comes a week before the Minneapolis gathering of the Republicans, whose convention efforts have been much smoother.

    Some of the Democratic missteps started almost immediately after planning for the event began. The Democratic National Campaign Committee turned down a chance to get cheap office space and decided to rent top-quality offices in downtown Denver at $100,000 a month, only to need less than half the space, which it then filled with rental furniture at $50,000 a month. And in a costly misstep, the Denver host committee, early on, told corporate donors that their contributions were not tax-deductible, rather than to encourage donations by saying that the tax-exempt application was pending and expected to be approved.

    Overly ambitious environmental goals — to turn the event into a “green” convention — have backfired as only three states have agreed to participate in the program. Negotiations over where to locate demonstrators remain unsettled with members of the national news media concerned over proposals to locate the demonstrators — with their loud gatherings — next to the media tent.

  124. And then there is the food: A 28-page contract requested that caterers provide food in “at least three of the following five colors: red, green, yellow, blue/purple and white.” Garnishes could not be counted toward the colors. No fried foods would be allowed. Organic and locally grown foods were mandated, and each plate had to be 50 percent fruits and vegetables. As a result, caterers are shying away.

    For the Democratic Party, the danger is that a poorly run convention, or one that misses the mark financially, will reflect badly on the party, and raise questions about Democratic management skills. And more worrisome for the Obama campaign is that it will be left with the bill for cost overruns or fund-raising shortfalls, and that the candidate will have to compete in raising money against a convention effort desperate for cash.

    Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee in Denver, said the convention “is on track and we are confident that we are where we are supposed to be at this point in the game.” She added, “We are exactly where we intended to be at.”

  125. The Democratic convention is already running behind in its fund-raising. At last count, the convention was about $11 million short of the $40.6 million needed to stage the event — even before cost overruns were taken into consideration. This has prompted local newspapers to suggest in editorials that the Obama campaign should step in and begin to raise money for the committee.

    Even more, those involved in the convention preparations portray Denver and party organizers as having squandered precious time, pushing critical decision-making into the final hours when it is more difficult to keep a lid on costs. Already, plans to have two dozen parties for the 56 delegations at locations throughout Denver were canceled and merged into a single party at the city’s convention center.

    Major decisions are being settled only at the last minute,” said one convention organizer, who requested anonymity because of the confidentiality of the contracting process. “These contracts should have been out and signed last March or April. We still have no agreement on the budget or the scope of the work for the build-out at the Pepsi Center. There is no reason why it is so late, why important issues have not been addressed and why we are trying to figure these things out at the last minute.”

    The Obama campaign is keeping a watchful eye on the process.

    “Though there is much very hard work ahead,” said Mr. Burton, the campaign spokesman, “we are committed to having the best Democratic convention we ever had.”

    Part of the problem, say those close to the plans, is a clash between the Obama campaign, which is tight-fisted about its money, and the Democratic convention committee, which failed to estimate properly the costs of the convention. As the Obama campaign begins to take over in Denver they are beginning to question why the party’s estimates for construction, entertainment and other components are so at odds with what actual costs are turning out to be.

    “We are now going into the final construction phase, and it is turning out to be much higher,” said a person with knowledge of the budget, but who is not tied to either the Obama campaign or the party. “So the Obama camp is not pleased and is raising questions about where all the money had been going. And they look at the posh office space for the Democratic Party staff here, which is really plush with big screen T.V.’s, and they say, ‘They spent the money on that?’ ”

  126. This last-minute scramble covers contracts to build the skyboxes, the podium and the news media center. The problems have forced organizers to consider — and reject — some cost-cutting proposals, like housing the media center in trailers or cutting out air-conditioning from the media tent.

    The Democrats’ efforts are being ridiculed by many in Denver. City Councilman Charlie Brown, a political independent, has devoted his monthly newsletter to “Food Fight” over the color-coded rules for convention food and is concerned that plans to handle the thousands of demonstrators expected to attend have not been fully thought out.

    While Mr. Brown said he expects the city will “cowboy up” and have a successful convention, the lack of resolution about key issues like the demonstrators and food are “the donkey in the room.”

    “We are having people say that they will be leaving town,” said Mr. Brown, who fears that the city could be in a no-win situation with the demonstrators — if there is insufficient police presence, the city could be overrun by them; if the police are overly aggressive, they will be criticized as overreacting.

    And caterers, expected to feed the 40,000 people coming to town, are throwing up their hands over the food requirements.

    “Everything that the Democrats did got off to a late start,” said Peggy Beck, a co-owner of Three Tomatoes Catering. “It was such an ordeal. We’ve jumped through hoops and hoops to bid on their stuff, and we had to have certain color food so the plates would be colorful.” In the end, the parties that she had been bidding on were canceled to save money. “This was some of the silliest stuff ever,” she added.

    Nick Agro, head of Whirled Peas Catering, questioned whether the requirement for local organic food could meet cost constraints. “These were fantastic ideas, but I question who is willing to pay for these extra costs,” Mr. Agro said. “My experience is that it is all coming together slowly.”

    In Denver, hotel space is also in short supply. James F. Smith, national political editor of The Boston Globe, said the Democratic Party could arrange only 5 of the 21 rooms his newspaper had required. And those are a 35-minute drive away at the Denver International Airport, while some attendees are staying as far as 90 minutes away.

    Said Mr. Smith, “This will increase the need for additional rental cars.”

  127. I am fascinated by latest allegation by LaRoushe. It reminds me of the old adage which says: just because you are paraoid does not mean people are not out to get you. Suffice it to say, I believe it-all of it, but I cannot prove it and therefore I will not represent it to others as true.

    The media today has abdicated its role as the guardian of truth. But there was a time when it was its champion. People who know the history far better than I ever will, talk about the self restraint and triple checking which the Washington Post did in connection with the Watergate story–thanks to the discipline of Ben Bradley. At all points in the compass, they were mindful of the consequences of what they thought and were determined to get it right–especially in tying in Halderman.

    Today that newspaper and its blog arm politico are a joke. They take shortcuts and substitute personal opinion for facts. I am not impressed that they are attacking Bambi now when they were unwilling to do so now. But there is a reason for this that transcends the personal biases of their editors and writers.

    It has everythiing to do with the economics of investigative journalism. It is danmed hard work. It requires great tenacity. And more often than not it leads either to a dead end because sources will not go on the record, or you simply cannot corroborate the information you have. So at the end of the process you have nothing to show for your efforts, which means no revenue. And today when big media outlets are owned by big businesses who want productivity and bottom line good investigative journalism is not a profitable line of business. Opinion is substituted for fact.

    The internet is killing big media fast but not fast enough for some of us. What we do need is good investigative journalism. The facts uncovered by LaRousche can be very valuable. Someone at least is working on this. But they must be treated as raw intelligence and subjected to independent corroboration just like Ben Bradley did back in the good old days when Washingto Post was the gold standard today as opposed to now when they are not much better than the National Enquirer–with noteable exceptions like Dana Priest.

  128. here’s another good article from LaRouche about Hillary’s last days on the campaign circuit!
    Hillary: My Government Will Work With Other Governments to Solve Food Crisis
    Increase DecreaseMay 29 (LPAC)–In response to a question by a LaRouche movement organizer about the global food emergency, Sen. Hillary Clinton said at a rally in Huron, South Dakota today that “we’ve got to help revolutionize food production” around the world, and that “my government will work with other governments to solve the food crisis.”

    Senator Clinton appeared in four South Dakota towns today. In Sioux Falls and Madison she had two impromptu appearances in cafes, and in Huron and Watertown she spoke in front of large crowds which LaRouche movement organizers has saturated with LPAC “Interim Report” pamphlets.

    At the Huron event, LaRouche movement organizer Herman Eilers was seated on the stage behind the candidate, along with six other war veterans. As the rally was winding up, Hillary turned around to have a word with the veterans, and Herman asked her a question about the upcoming FAO meeting in Rome, and the need to double food production. She told him that he had asked a really important question, and asked her staff to turn the microphone back on, and asked him to repeat his question so the audience could hear it.

    Eilers said: “I’m a veteran and a farmer. I grew up here in the breadbasket of America being a producer who could help feed the world. But now millions of people are at the brink of starvation. On June 3, the same day as our primary, the FAO conference opens in Rome and we want the agenda to be doubling food production. What would you say to give hope to the starving and to those government representatives who will be at the FAO?”

    Hillary answered: “That’s a very good question. We can help feed people, but we have to really help them develop the technology to expand food production in their own countries.” She talked about the devastation in countries throughout Africa and in Haiti and said: “We’ve got to help revolutionize food production. We have got to work with the U.N. FAO and send our people trained in food production through the Peace Corps and other institutions. We have to work government to government. My government will work with other governments to solve the food crisis.”

    Hillary then asked Eilers if he had anything else to say and he asked: “As a farmer, we’re putting a lot of acreage into ethanol. I wonder how we’re going to double food production, the way everybody is focused on biofuels for energy self sufficiency.” When Hillary answered by starting to talk about cellulosic research, etc., Eilers interrupted her: “How about going after the speculators?” The crowd clapped and roared their agreement, and Hillary responded: “Absolutely. We’re going to stop the speculators.”

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  129. For the first time, the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is about to get a substantial hand from advertisements by an outside group.

    Conservative and Republican groups have been largely quiet, leaving McCain heavily outmatched by Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign fundraising juggernaut.

    Next week, Vets for Freedom — a 20,000-member, nonpartisan organization established by combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — plans to begin spending more than $1 million on a TV campaign that will include Ohio, Virginia and New Mexico.

    The group plans to spend millions more and to add other states to the roster over the next four months.

    The ad, the largest independent expenditure on a national-security theme in the general election so far, features a number of vets speaking about the success of the surge and the need to finish the job.

    The buy is part of what the group is calling the “Four Months, For Victory” media and grass-roots campaign that focuses on a dozen key swing states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

    Here are excerpts of the advisory Vets for Freedom will be sending the media:

    “WHO/WHAT: On July 9, Vets for Freedom will hold a press conference featuring over a dozen Iraq war veterans to launch a national “Four Months, For Victory” media and grass-roots campaign. The effort will culminate on Veterans Day (November 11) and is intended to inform the American public and key lawmakers about the phenomenal success that our troops have achieved as a result of the surge and the importance of ensuring victory in Iraq, Afghanistan and the overall Global war on Terrorism.

    “The launch includes a multimillion-dollar television-advertising buy in target markets and on national cable that will air this week and run throughout July and August. The first television ad will be released at the press conference featuring the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans appearing in the ad. These pointed ads are aimed at informing the American people about the truth regarding progress in Iraq.

    “Simultaneously, Vets for Freedom will mobilize our grass-roots veteran membership throughout the country to spread the “ground truth” about progress in Iraq. The “Four Months, For Victory” campaign is a national grass-roots effort taking place in all 50 states, but will aggressively focus on 12 key states that are home to key lawmakers: MN, IA, WI, MI, PA, NV, NM, MO, CO, OH, FL and VA.

    “The Vets for Freedom State Captains from these states will have grass-roots staff and resources available to mobilize local veteran volunteers. Vets in these states will call for victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by hitting the airwaves and pounding the pavement during the four months between now and Veterans Day, spreading the truth about the facts on the ground by drawing up their first-hand combat experiences. …

    “Veterans featured in the ads as well as the State Captains from the 12 target states will be in attendance and available for interviews at the conclusion of the event. …

    “Vets for Freedom is a nonpartisan organization established by combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its mission is to educate the American public about the importance of achieving success in these conflicts by applying first-hand knowledge to issues of American strategy and tactics in Iraq. It supports policymakers from both sides of the aisle in their attempts to stand behind our great generation of American warriors on the battlefield, and put long-term national security before short-term partisan political gain. Vets for Freedom is the largest Iraq and Afghanistan veterans organization in America.”

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  131. kostner,

    Oh, that’s funny! The DNC sold its soul to the devil and now the devil is being stingy about paying

    Ie they sold the nomination to Obama and now the anti-christ is looking carefully at cost accounting.

    Where’s Idunn and her holy water?

  132. its just hillarious. the dnc is run by iodiots. i hope they have enough money for the arugala. funny.

  133. The last time I looked the law defined conspiracy as a combination for an unlawful purpose. By that definition, what soros and others do is not a conspiracy. Instead, it is an effort to control a market called the US political system, and a marketplace of ideas. It is what every business tries to do at some level. You do not have to believe in the bilderbergers, the trilateal commission, the illumati or larouche to believe that is occurring. And, history has shown that people in his position will resort to all sorts of anti competitive behavior or violence to build market power and preserve market advantage. So I do not worry what else LaRouche may have said along the way. I want to know the facts, to evaluate them and reach my own conclusion. The truth is where you find it.

    This dilemma comes up in a court room when the prosecution calls a co-conspirator to testify against the defendant. The defense then cross examines the witness about his past crimes and the leniency shown by he prosection and argues falso in uno falso in omnibusm–ya cant believe nuthn he sez, etc. If the prosecutor is any good he responds as follows: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we would like to produce as witnesses and parade before you bisops, buddahs and rabbis. But the truth is bishops, etc. do not conspire with a defendant like this one to commit the crime of murder. The fact is this witness if credible precisely because he is he type who would conspire, that is the badge of credibility and if you find his testimony credible on the merits that is all the more reason to believe it.

    What I am saying to you here is the very fact that the LaRouche group sees conspiratorial connections in things does not mean they are always right–indeed they can be profoundly wrong. What it does mean is that they will be looking for evidence of such connections that others are likely to miss, and if you subject that information to independent analysis and corroboration you may well discover the truth.

  134. wbboei,

    Speaking of conspiracy theories, I keep remembering the quote attributed to Churchill:

    “It’s difficult to get a conviction for sodomy in a nation where half the people think the act impossible, while the other half are actively engaged in it.”

  135. Soros is a connosuier of power. He knows how to work a market. He knows if he pours to much money into a market it will upset the equlilbrium and drive up the stock price. The answer is timing and diversification. Funnel your money into the market in a series of small transactions thorugh a lot of small donors. If I had the time and resouces to chase that issue this is what I would be looking for. But I would not present it as true unless I had credible corroboated evidence

  136. Question: have I thrown out enough bread crumbs here for someone in the media to reclaim the lost tradition of investigative jounalism as it relates to the soros obama connection?

  137. Denver—With a recent move to relegate peaceful protestors beneath the Denver homeless population, Re-create 68 has now vowed that there will indeed be “a bloodbath” at the Democratic National Convention should they try to keep them fenced in.

    The American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit, stating that their First Amendment rights have been violated by security restrictions.

    “What the hell do they think we are? Barnyard animals,” asked Tom Mestnik, a member of The Re-create ’68 Alliance, an umbrella group organizing the protesters. “They’re giving the homeless a free pass while we’re being shoveled away like excrement! If they want dissent, we’ll give them a Boston Tea Party they’ll never forget!”

  138. I met with a local meetup group in Oakland California today.
    We are getting organized to help plan for Denver, and for marches within our state to coordinate with other major cities across the country.
    We had people attend from San Jose, San Francisco and San Ramon as well as Oakland. The organizer is also planning a conference call with Southern Ca.
    If you are in the state, please go to this site and join us.
    http://hrclinton.meetup.com/129/
    It was a great time brainstorming and sharing ideas.
    I even met the famous Normita.
    Please join us if you are in Calif. to ensure our state organizes a HUGE number of participants.

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