Voting For Barack Obama, Part VII

Gay-Americans celebrating Gay Pride Week received an FTD bouquet of words from the Obama campaign delivered by lantern-jawed Michelle Obama.

Flowery words from Obama are typical but his actions are what matter and they are full of thorns.


Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

Obama – flowery words, poisonous actions:

Enter McClurkin. He’s black, he’s popular, and gospel plays big with blacks in South Carolina, especially black evangelicals, and many of them openly and even more of them quietly loathe gays.

Bush masterfully tapped that homophobic sentiment in 2000 in part with McClurkin and even more masterfully in 2004 again with McClurkin and the top gun mega black preachers in Ohio and Florida. He tapped it so masterfully that Bush’s naked pander to gay bashing with the GOP spawned anti-gay marriage initiative in Ohio did much to win over a big chunk of black evangelical leaning voter to Bush. [snip]

This lesson isn’t lost on Obama. Desperate to snatch back some of the political ground with black voters that are slipping away from him and to Hillary; Bush’s black evangelical card seems like the perfect play. Obama wouldn’t dare go down the knock gay path, and risk drawing the inevitable heat for it, if he didn’t think as Bush that anti-gay sentiment is still wide and deep among many blacks.

It wasn’t just McClurkin:

This has already been nicknamed the “gay-bash” tour because three of the acts are on the record for rebuking the “gay lifestyle.” Mary Mary, the enormously popular duo, has a large gay following but has compared gays to murderers and prostitutes. Hezekiah Walker is a minister of the Pentecostal faith, traditionally inhospitable to gays, and, heads a Brooklyn mega-church well-known for its anti-gay views. Walker was also the subject of an unfounded gay rumor that has become urban legend.

Obama’s gay bashing was profitable for himself but hurt Gay-Americans. Obama tried to silence Gay rights organizations and bamboozle Gay-Americans.

Yes, Senator Obama, McClurkin is the perfect representative for your campaign. He thinks gays are a curse, that we need to be fixed, and that we’re trying to “kill children.” And I’m sure you’d have nothing to say about this if he were saying the same thing about African-Americans and Hillary were promoting him.

Gay-Americans and those who are “straight, not narrow” should remember:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

The McClurkin gay-bashing tour was not the first time Obama spoke flowery words about Gay-Americans then proceeded to insult and demean for his profit.

Obama has a long history of flim-flams with flowery words about Gay-Americans in front of friendly audiences but Obama has a gay problem:

Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) has come under criticism from some in the gay and AIDS communities who objected to one of his responses in a debate last week and said it contributed to the ongoing stigma of HIV/AIDS in the African American community. [snip]

Obama suggested that, “One of the things that we have to overcome is a stigma that still exists in our communities.”

“We don’t talk about this. We don’t talk about it in the schools; sometimes, we don’t talk about it in the churches. It has been an aspect of, sometimes, homophobia,” he said, gesturing toward himself but seeming to speak about society in general.

While many gays were happy to hear Obama raise the issue of homophobia surrounding the response to AIDS, there was some consternation and mixed interpretations over what he said later. Biden had just taken the liberty of telling the audience that Obama had taken an HIV test. After Biden finished speaking, Obama asked for the floor.

“I just got to make clear, I got tested with Michelle, when we were in Kenya in Africa. I don’t want any confusion here about what’s going on,” said Obama, as the audience laughed and applauded. “I was tested with my wife, in public.” Moderator Tavis Smiley said he was “sure Michelle appreciates you clarifying that.” [snip]

“I think Biden was wrong in mentioning Obama’s getting tested,” said Ronald Johnson, deputy executive director of AIDS Action. “But Obama just needlessly played into some underlying homophobia in the black community. By saying he wanted to make it clear, he was saying, ‘I don’t want anybody to get the wrong idea.’ He was needlessly saying, in effect, ‘I’m not gay’ and getting a cheap laugh at the expense of gay men and black gay men.”

“I’m not going to war with him over it,” said Johnson, who is black, gay, and HIV-positive, “but you didn’t have to go down that track. He could have taken an opportunity to educate “ to say, ‘Everyone should get tested, but it’s a private matter. It’s for me to say.'” [snip]

“It shows how difficult it still is for our country’s leaders to talk about sex and HIV,” said Foreman. “It clearly makes everyone uncomfortable and nervous. Here we’re talking about this incredibly important subject and it becomes something to titter about.”

Obama spoke flowery words against stigmatizing Gay-Americans even as he proceeded to stigmatize Gay-Americans.

Obama has a long history of supporting the most virulent gay-bashers – such as Reverend James Meeks.

Obama has never marched in a gay pride parade.

Hillary Clinton marched in a gay pride parade before it was politically safe to do so. Hillary Clinton has also said she would become the first U.S. president to march in a Gay Pride

Obama snubbed gay friendly Gavin Newsom, the progressive Mayor of San Francisco.

“I gave a fundraiser, at his (Obama’s) request at the Waterfront restaurant,” said former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown. “And he said to me, he would really appreciate it if he didn’t get his photo taken with my mayor. He said he would really not like to have his picture taken with Gavin.”

Today, of course, Obama’s people are backpedaling away from that account like crazy. His deputy campaign director, Steve Hildebrand, who lives with his partner as an openly gay man, calls it “a ridiculous story.” [snip]

But insiders at City Hall, both current and former members of Newsom’s staff, recall the incident well. And you can bet that Newsom hasn’t forgotten it either.

“He was pissed,” said one former staffer.

In fact, early last year, Newsom alluded to the incident in an interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Speaking to Reuters on Jan. 26, 2007, Newsom was asked about three potential Democratic candidates: Obama, Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. [snip]

“One of the three Democrats you mentioned as presidential candidates, as God is my witness, will not be photographed with me, will not be in the same room with me,” Newsom told Reuters, “even though I’ve done fundraisers for that particular person – not once, but twice – because of this issue.”

Newsom knows that all you get is flowery words from Obama, flowery words from the Obama campaign, but watch out because Obama cannot be trusted.

Obama has avoided meeting with the gay press while Hillary Clinton has been regularly available to the gay press.

Obama cannot be trusted. Obama only wants “gay money” to fund his destructive campaign.

With Obama, like any three card monte flim flam man, watch what he does not what he says.

Michelle Obama bamboozled the Democratic? National Committee’s Gay and Lesbian Leadership Council this weekend. Miichelle Obama has flowery words to speak on behalf of her husband. Michelle said she wanted A world where together we work to reverse discriminatory laws like DOMA and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

Obama: Flowery words, poisonous actions:

When Bill Clinton sought to keep his 1992 campaign promise to end the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, he met strong resistance in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill. Nunn, one of the most adamant opponents, led a series of hearings that were stacked against ending the prohibition. Critics noted that Nunn held more hearings about and spent more time on gays in the military than he had on the defense budget or even the Navy’s Tailhook sexual harassment scandal.

Already, the prospect of an Obama-Nunn ticket does not sit well with some prominent gay Democratic fundraisers. “It would without question irrevocably diminish my enthusiasm for the democratic ticket,” a longtime Clinton supporter told me in an e-mail. “Sam Nunn not only opposed [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people’s] rights to serve in the military, he viciously campaigned against it.”

Famously, Nunn led lawmakers on a tour of cramped submarine quarters and showers, an exercise that many viewed as a crass attempt to raise an ick factor of homosexuals living among straight troops. As if gay men and lesbians are devoid of discipline and incapable of defending this country.

NO Unity. NObama. NOvember.

This sentiment underscores a larger problem for Obama: how to reach Clinton’s backers to unify his party. Many women, particularly older women, are none too happy with what they view as Obama’s shabby treatment of her. In the final primary states, many blue-collar white voters told pollsters that if Obama topped the ticket they’d stay home or vote for Republican John McCain, who has wasted no time in trying to court them. If Obama taps Nunn, he could end up adding gay men and lesbians to the list of disgruntled Democrats. They might not vote for McCain, but they might very well stay home.

Gay-Americans must realize that Obama has gay-bashed in the past. If it comes down to getting votes from evangelical voters, socially conservative African-Americans or any constitutency group – Obama will betray Gay-Americans:

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.


80 thoughts on “Voting For Barack Obama, Part VII

  1. I had thought that O had not been a gay parade, but someone said he had. Thanks for the execellent article clarifying all those points.

  2. lindax

    Unfortunately, building bridges in a hostile environment is not one of O’s strengths. I always felt that would be a major character requirement for a President. Easy bridges, anyone can build.

  3. NewMexicoFan, no Obama at gay pride parades – just words, empty flowery words.

    Every year……most machine politicians march in the parade…….(in fact, it has become a tradition of mine to deny a handshake to our schmuck governor, Rod Blagojevich, who tries to yuck it up with the crowd)

    With that being said, Senator Obama has never been to the parade……..

    In speeches Barry waxes poetic about his support for the gay community….tomorrow is his chance to show his support, not just talk about it………

  4. Just flowery words, via Hillbuzz:

    Barack Obama has never marched in a Gay Pride Parade, in his three years of Senate service, or during his time in the Illinois state legislature.

    Here are some people who have marched in Gay Pride Parades, and who do so on a regular basis, because they support their LGBT constituents (and not just the week before an election when they are trying to score votes):

    (1) Senator Hillary Clinton (has marched in NYC’s Pride Parade every year, starting with her historic march as the first sitting First Lady of the United States to march in a Pride Parade — she also promised to become the first sitting President of the United States to march in a Gay Pride Parade).

    (2) Dick Durbin (D-IL), the senior Senator from Illinois, and Obama’s friend and colleague in the US Senate

    (3) Rod Blagojevich (D-IL), Governor of Illinois, and mutual friend of both Obama and their longtime friend Antoin “Tony” Rezko

    (4) Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), the first openly lesbian member of Congress

    (5) Deval Patrick (D-MA), Governor of Massachusetts, Obama’s longtime close personal friend, who marched in Boston’s Pride Parade with his daughter Katherine and wife Diane on 06/14/08 (pictured above)

    (6) Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I-NY), Mayor of New York City, and friend of Obama

    (7) Judy Baar Topinka (R-IL), periodic candidate for Governor of Illinois

    (8) Dianne Fienstein (D-CA), Senator

    (9) Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Senator

    (10) Barney Frank (D-MA), openly gay Member of Congress

  5. Obama just wants gay dollars (note the nasty “beat Hillary”):

    On Thursday night, Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC and a frequent target for critics of his party’s primary process, directly confronted any lingering grievances from Clinton supporters in his address that followed Obama.

    “I particularly want to say thank you to the people here who supported Hillary Clinton,” said Dean, himself an unsuccessful former presidential candidate, to applause. He continued, “It is a special effort for those of you who are supporters of Senator Clinton, or have been supporters of Senator Clinton, to come tonight, so that you can contribute to the campaign of the person who beat Senator Clinton, and I recognize that, and I deeply appreciate your willingness to put your country up front and put aside your own understandable, deep emotional feelings about the campaign.”

  6. Very short comment string here, interesting topic.

    h t t p : / /

    I posted:
    1950democrat Jun 29, 2008 5:20:06 PM Report Offensive Post
    Heh. Look at actions vs words. Spray paint vandalism is the sort of action that Obama’s Underage Machos like. Easy enough to add some cards or tweak the message, so as to oh so cunningly put the blame on their opponents.

    For HIllary’s old ladies who can’t even make it up the steps to caucus, spraypaint vandalism would be much more of a stretch. Anti-Obama crochet shawls, maybe.

    One tip-off is the anti-McCain messages. Most of us bitter old diehard Hillary supporters are VOTING for McCain. In Florida, it might be third party Underage Macho Spray Paint sniffers: Cuba emigres led by Elian Gonzales…. — PUMA!

  7. Coward is wrong. BHO did not “beat” Hillary, he was “selected.” I just want to slap Coward for saying that. NO BHO, in NOvember.


  8. Fuck Coward Dean and his whole crew. The more he talks the more people I talk into voting for McCain.

    I loathe that whole bunch of turds

  9. I agree. Every time I hear them say O won. I want to shout, WON WHAT. She won, and he promised and paid off SDs.

  10. Hills message from the “unity” rally on her blog is closed for comments.

    I reckon her website will remain open till the convention for the contributions .. I’m looking for the rest of the place to simply peel off and close. Much stuff is gone already.

    So sad.

  11. Dot48,

    I need to believe that it hasn’t pealed away so much as simply gone into storage. It will all rise again when justice is served!

  12. a real puke-fest traitor-taylor guest post. i should know better than to rubber-neck “over there”..

  13. This is from Face the Nation I see Wesley Clark dranked the kool aid

    Clark said that while he honored McCain’s service as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam war and on the Senate Armed Services Committee, McCain has no executive experience and that the Navy squadron McCain commanded was not a wartime squadron.

    “He hasn’t been there and ordered the bombs to fall,” Clark said on “Face the Nation” on CBS.

    When moderator Bob Schieffer noted that Obama hadn’t had those experiences nor had he ridden in a fighter plane and been shot down, Clark replied: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”


  14. turndown,

    Check this video posted by Seth at NQ in response to the Florida vandalism story.

    It’s Monty Pythons “Gangs of Old Ladies.”


  15. Wow
    Thankyou admin I try to do my little part by relaying all of the great info I have found on this site and with great success during the primary season, however, many gay men and women feel that voting democrat is the only way to go I relish the opportunity to share your post.
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  16. From Ricki Lieberman, Electability Watch #20 excerpt:

    (email Ricki at to be put on her email list)

    June 30 is real soon – the end of the second quarter for fundraising
    reporting. This is a chance, in the next two days, to go online or mail in
    a check in support of candidates whose support for Senator Clinton
    was strong and unequivocal.

    We have been hearing of direct and indirect threats to some of these
    candidates both for 2008 and also about mounting primary challenges in 2010.

    Please, for those of you who have maxed out to HRC, please support the
    candidates you want to appreciate for their excellent public service and for
    their dedication to Hillary. Examples are candidate Eric Massa
    Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Sheila Jackson Lee. Please
    send me other names we should be aware of who, particularly those who are in
    tight races and need to showing fundraising strength.

    For those of you who have not yet maxed out for Hillary, please go to her
    website,, and help her retire her debt. If there are
    those who still question whether contributions to the website will go to her
    or be syphoned off, please email or call me. This is bad misinformation.
    ALL MONIES CONTRIBUTED TO are being used to reduce the
    debt. Nothing else!

    Small amounts, big amounts – all are welcome, and each of you counts as a
    separate contributor, no matter the size of the contribution. Please, do it

    I am hearing that some of the ELECTABILITY WATCH SDs are grateful for the
    thanks if they are hearing from you; others are annoyed and think this is a
    dead end, and yet others are indicating that they are skeptical but will
    keep an open mind, still others just want to flick us off. HA!

    As we have discussed, the ELECTABILITY WATCH is a process – a cultivation to
    remind SDs that they have only one job at the convention – to select the
    electable nominee to return us Democrats to the White House. The electable
    person is Hillary Clinton which will become increasingly clear throughout
    the summer as Obama is subjected to great scrutiny.

    Already he is not doing so well – on guns, FISA, public financing. He told
    one of the most prominent members of Congress and the Black Caucus to “get
    over it”. In speaking to a group of HRC fund raisers he wants to convert,
    he refused to commit to an open nominating process at the Convention. And
    then, there is The Seal.

  17. From Ricki Lieberman, Electability Watch #21 excerpt:

    (email Ricki at to be put on her email list)

    Tonight’s conversation is basically about CONSISTENCY, but first, a reminder
    that we must support our own.

    Today I have received notes from both Kirsten Gillibrand and Eric Massa, and
    Denise King on behalf of Tracey Brooks, about how important funding is for
    this quarter. I am glad to pass these notes along in the event you can
    write a last minute check, or go online to make a credit card contribution.
    It should be clear by now that these are among MY three favorite

    We need to keep Kirsten in her seat, a Clinton Democrat in a Republican
    area, and send a strong message to those who want her out.

    And to get Eric in will knock off a particularly nasty right winger and add
    another Democrat in our efforts to achieve a strong veto proof Congress.

    Tracey ran Senator Clinton’s office in the Albany area and is in a primary
    against 9 men. She is very highly regarded and will add to the strength of
    the New York Democratic Congressional delegation.

    And who can forget Stephanie Tubbs Jones, the ever-present upbeat surrogate
    for Hillary. http://www.stephanietubbsjones

    All are wonderfully smart, progressive, creative, thoughtful people –
    exactly who we want in Congress and who embody the influences and agenda of
    Senator Clinton.

    I have just made an additional contribution to each. Please join me and be
    as generous as possible. Even $5 with a note of thanks for their support
    for Hillary is important, and counts as another individual contribution, a
    carefully watched measure of support.

    Thank you, and GO GO GO!!!

    1. From Kirsten
    Pls put up a link to my website We are 20k short
    of reaching our goal and your emails really make a difference. I am in
    Republican seat and my opponent has already spent 300k on television and
    plans to spend 5 million. I appreciate your advocacy so very much. Ross
    Offinger can send you additional info. Thanks for being there 110% for
    Senator Clinton!

    2. From Eric Massa
    …the fund raising situation is difficult and I am still receiving hate
    mail, the cost of standing up with Senator Clinton. I say to you with pride
    that I have no regrets about saying that Senator Clinton is a friend of

    On the financial front, we should post over 600 thousand cash on hand this
    quarter and we’ll see if that is good enough to satisfy the DCCC despite the
    statement that we will be dropped from the red to blue listing for “poor
    fund raising”. Trust me I am trying to leave no stone un-turned. Of course
    my opponent who is blatantly campaigning out of his office will have no
    expenses as compared to what it takes to build and operate a campaign… We
    are winning in all aspects of the ground game. 4 to 5 times more cash on
    hand than this time last cycle, a two point advantage in generic polling –
    and outstanding grass roots excitement in the District.

    3. From Denise King ,
    Dear Ricki,
    ormer Senator Clinton Regional Director, Tracey Brooks, is running for
    Congress in New York’s 21st CD. Rep. Mike McNulty is retiring after 20
    years ; Tracey is running as the only women against 9 men in the primary.

    In Congress, Tracey will fight for universal health care coverage for all,
    protect every woman’s right to choose, and undo the damage done by George
    Bush and the Republican Administration. She will be the first pro-choicer
    elected to the House of Representatives from New York’s 21st CD and is a
    top-tier EMILY’s List candidate with endorsements from the Women Under Forty
    PAC, NOW, and the Women’s Campaign Forum.

    The viability of Tracey’s candidacy will be tested in these few weeks.
    Please donate what you can. You make all the difference as we approach
    this crucial June 30 deadline.

  18. You are welcome Henry. There is much misinformation about Obama and Gay-Americans his campaign is trying to push. Obama can’t be trusted.

  19. Dot! I was over at the candles just now searching for someone, and I noticed you had a lot more candles than when I looked yesterday. Have you looked? A couple of bots got in there and are shamed by beautiful sentiments and prayers

  20. Obama trashing gays reminds me of the gay in-the-closet fundamentalist preacher who was having a gay relationship and involved crack cocaine as well. You know – the pastor that got fired from the several-thousand congregation because of his hypocritical DECEPTION?

    The ones that are the most adamant are the guilty ones.

    Did someone say David Young, Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko? Ask Larry Sinclair – he’ll give you you the real facts on BHO as far as hidden gay lifestyles are concerned and the fraudulent life BHO leads. What a hypocrit of the first degree in every respect.

  21. OMG! The bots have done it this time.

    STOP PUMATarget:legitimize PUMA voters as republicans and undemocraticSponsored by: ANTI-PUMA real democrats for changeJust say no deal to %u201CJust Say No Deal%u201D, the father website to PUMA voters! Together we can expose PUMA for the bunch of UnDemocratic FRAUDS they are! PUMA was established by Republicans to steal the womans vote- their cause is to put another Republican in office to continue Bush’s failed policy!
    Let’s let them know we know who they are, and we aren’t going to take it anymore!

    ROFL! I saw this on The Confluence. LOL! They are more delusional, than I thought they were. LOL!

  22. It is easy to lure someone into a sucker bet when they have the wrong information. Big Media is so invested selling the Obama brand that the public does not get the full story, which is very different from the one they are telling. When these are the conditions that prevail you can behave like our good buddy soros does and exploit the difference between public perception and reality. How? Bet against him. In my circles the line is 3 to 1. Like PT Barnum said-there is a sucker borne every minute. All I can tell you at this point is keep the faith, watch what the Republicans do (or dont do), and pray that Hillary does not become his vp which is equivalent to First Mate on the Titanic. Keep the faith. What our grass roots organizations are doing now is very effective.

    A few days ago the Tower of Bable announced that Hillary supporters are moving to Bambi in droves. If you read the fine print however it indicated that only half had moved. And even that is bullshit. But one perceptive blogger made an excellent point. After Hillary’s unequivocal endorsement of bambi its 9 million down and only 9 million to go. No need to go to Las Vegas. The real action is here.

  23. Amazing growth in pro-HIllary blogs and websites lately. Remember when the Big Pink site was all alone? No longer.

    Lots of new anti-Obama websites too. Native American webiste RedDragon62 has some videos, some funny, some very tough. (the website is certainly anti-Obama, and not a liberal website, but it signals how Obama will be attacked).

  24. 7 million Hillaristas will not vote for Obama.

    Here is Craig Della Penna crunching numbers (at his blog,

    “A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall (almost 4 million voters) — and another 17 percent (a little over 3 million) would vote for McCain.” –CNN (parentheses are mine). So, if we use 2004 as the baseline – GWB won with 62 million voters vs Kerry’s 59 million. then take away 4 million Democratic votes, that leaves BHO with 55 million. Now take away another 3 million from that (Clinton supporters who will not stay home but will vote for McCain) and add 3 million to the Republican side. You end up with 65 million for McCain to 52 million for BHO. There is a word for this: landslide.

  25. Admin. another pro-Hillary website went up today. It is the work product of a couple I stayed with in Indiana during the campaign. They are strong Hillary supporters, and their understanding of the political process is profound. I will ask them for permission to post here. You will be impressed.

  26. get ready-dailykooks will go nuts. the group they hate most-the dlc-is going to back obama.
    Group with Clinton connections ready to back Obama By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer
    Sun Jun 29, 5:30 PM ET

    By rights, a group that helped elect Bill Clinton president and counts Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as one of its leaders should be hostile territory for Barack Obama. But members of the Democratic Leadership Council seem ready to embrace Obama rather than risk squandering an opportunity for victory this fall.

    “Ultimately, what I care about is putting a strong Democrat in the White House,” said Phil Bartlett, a state senator from Maine who backed Clinton in the primary.

    But many DLC members, meeting in Chicago on Sunday, argued victory will require following their centrist organization’s philosophy.

    They urged Obama to emphasize practical solutions to the problems directly affecting voters — gas prices, inflation, failing schools, job security. He can’t let Republicans define him as a tax-and-spend liberal, they said, and he can’t let the left push him toward a campaign based on retribution against the Bush administration.

    “We need somebody who can pull us together,” said Sen. Tom Carper, D-Md., a DLC vice chairman. “Voters want us to be united and they want us to govern from the middle.”

    The Democratic Leadership Council was formed in the wake of Walter Mondale’s huge loss to Ronald Reagan in 1984. The goal was to change the party’s image and focus by stressing such issues as welfare reform, charter schools and business opportunity.

    The group helped Bill Clinton win in 1992, although critics say it ignores Democratic principles and the poor and vulnerable who need the party’s help. The group’s president is a former Clinton aide, and Hillary Clinton heads its “American Dream Initiative.”

    Some former Clinton backers admit to a little hesitation about Obama.

    Peggy West, a member of the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors, says she’s still “taking inventory” after Clinton’s loss to the Illinois senator in the Democratic presidential primary.

    “I’m not, at this point, enthusiastic about Obama, but I am going to be out there doing doors and giving what little money I can,” West said. “I’m definitely in his camp.”

    New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who endorsed Obama after ending his own run for the Democratic nomination, urged DLC members to put aside any hurt feelings from the long primary race.

    “There is still probably a need to heal a little bit,” he said in a speech to the group. “It may take a little time — hopefully not too much longer. Everybody needs to find ways to recognize that we have an incredible opportunity to regain the White House.”

    The DLC meeting took place just across a small courtyard from the building that houses Obama’s headquarters. While the campaign didn’t make any overt effort to woo the group, senior Obama aides did meet with members during the conference, “many of whom are elected officials who have been involved with the campaign for a long time,” said spokeswoman Amy Brundage.

    Obama won the nomination without help from top DLC leaders, but that isn’t stopping them from taking a little credit.

    Al From, who founded the group, argued Obama’s theme of putting solutions ahead of bipartisan bickering matches what the DLC has championed from the beginning. And in the early stages of the general election, Obama shows signs of continuing that theme, he said.

    Obama didn’t condemn a Supreme Court decision restricting gun control laws, From pointed out, and he endorsed a congressional compromise on legal protections for telecommunications companies that aided Bush administration wiretapping — two positions that disappoint some liberals.

    “He’s shown me that he knows how to be practical,” From said.

    West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin argued that on almost any issue, Obama can get voters to listen if he emphasizes results over ideology. He said Obama should make the case that Republicans have failed to get results on health care, government spending, the war on terror and more.

    Voters know Obama is smart and inspirational, Manchin said — now they need to know that he has specific plans to make their lives better.

    Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press.

  27. Admin
    couldn’t get on for over an hour. kept getting a google page with a bunch of thumbnails related to hill by google. I had heard that google shut down many pro hillary sites as spam and was worried you were one.
    A great relief.

  28. texan4Hillary

    Another Hillary Organization trying for unity. Just like everything I see happening in my state, only Hillary supporters are sponsoring unity parties. The O people come and whisper about making sure Hillary is no where near the ticket.

    So when do they start building bridges, probably never. That is why $9Million supporters will find someone else to support in November.

  29. This is really scary
    anyone who has been here for awhile will recognize GeekLove who is mentioned and quoted in the article.
    Silly though as a site shut down will not diminish my passions but rather its like throwing gasoline on a fire. when i could not get on here this morning I IMMEDIATELY DELETED MY GOOGLE SEARCH BAR and then used to find other sites. My vote nor my voice will be squashed by that empty suit. How do they believe that quelling our voices will shut us up? The more they try the louder I scream.

    http :/ /

  30. has anyone read anything about the effect that a gas tax holiday would have had on the prices of groceries? Bambi said no weeks ago but now the supermarkets are upping everything in response. Independent drivers of I guess you call them semi’s are losing thier livilihood and thus thier homes. saving 5k a month with a gas tax holiday would have saved us all a lot more than what we pay at the pump.

  31. Admin,

    Thanks for the video. Python is a riot. 😀
    I didn’t know all the details of BO’s anti-gay subtext, just about McClurkin. Thanks for the info.

    A lot of sites have been shut down on blogger coz of troll complaints. Same thing will happen when the ‘fairness doctrine’ which BO now supports is passed. NQ has a list of the shutdown blogs new addresses.

    BTW, I’ve been having trouble getting on site and posting as well.

  32. I will continue to read here, but I will seldom post. I’m not unhappy with this site or anyone. I certainly haven’t given up my hopes for Hillary and what she can do for this country.

    A few days ago I tried to be facetious and ended up offending people. I then tried to explain twice but my posts did not appear, for whatever reason. It doesn’t matter.

    If something great happens, I will be here cheering along with everyone else. Meanwhile I will be watching the blogs and posts every day.

  33. Texam: that AP story is yet another example of the big media attempt to sell the obama brrand, by distorting the truth. It gives you the impression that the entire demoratic party is uniting solidly behind bambi when that is far from true. This writer is yet another ethically challenged reporter in the AP stable. As for the kooks and their infatuation with bambi, well its back to Houseman again isn’t it:

    Look into the pewter pot
    And see Barack as Barack is not
    For faith tis pleasant til tis past
    The mischeif is the will not last

    Dance with the date that brung ya? Him? Not a chance.

  34. Shutting Hillary out of the convention is very disconcerting and undemocratic. If this happens, this may be the first time a candidate with the most popular vote was shut out.

    Why do people want to rally behind someone, who is a crook and a liar, is beyond me. I just don’t get it.

  35. birdgal

    Why do people want to rally around someone who did not win the popular vote. Does not sound like a Democracy to me; one which the Democratic Party said they were for in 2000.

    I think we need to start teaching Civics class in School again. Democracies are the will of the people, not the SDs.

    We need to let them know that in November, if it comes to that.

  36. New Mexico: I agree. NO NOvember. This unity cr** is for the birds. I will never, ever, vote for the fraud and empty suit. There is too much water under the bridge. Plus, the guy is so unqualified, that it is scary. The Chicago machine will run the country, if he is elected.

  37. birdgal: it wont happen. But just suppose it did. I mean suppose they are that stupid. It would be tantamont to the suppression of dissent-think what the Republicans can do with that in the general election. And what about the 18 million supporters. My sense is it is moving in the opposite direction. Far from pushing the Clintons away he is keen to pull them in–like this vp (damnosa hereditas). If you want to worry about something then worry about that. But you wont get this impression from the media–not hardly. It is too full of whores like Willis (infa) who determined to sell the obama brand to an increasingly sceptical electorate, Just gotta be patient here and support these grass roots organizations. That is where our leverage is. There are alot of people out there who see this guy for what he is and equally important what he is not. They are inclined to adopt the contrarian principle when it comes to news reporting. If they report X then the truth must be not X etc. That is a theme we need to drive home. We are in this through the convention and beyond. If you want the truth then turn off your damned televison set and go to the right blogs–starting right here and now.

  38. Surely by now we all know that people who are comfortable with their own sexual orientation are at ease with gays and lesbians. Guys on the down low insist they are not gay and shudder at any association with gays. How dumb is that?

    It’s sort of like the O followers who foam at the mouth when they meet anyone who doesn’t support their cause – it’s as if they are insecure about their own support. And it’s not just kids. A guy I’ve known for years who’s in late middle-age flew into a rage at me, thrusting his reddening face down to mine from a 6 foot+ height when I simply asked him why he supported O. POW! It was as if I pushed a rage button. It was a simple quiet friendly conversation till then. Why did he feel he had to defend his choice — and so violently?

    I don’t feel any inclination to fly into a fit when I meet people who don’t support HRC. I don’t scream at them, call them names… racist! faggot! – seems it all comes from the same sort of self-doubt.

  39. The rage goes along with the Riot stuff. So we have lost our Democracy to bullies. I think you have to stand your ground with bullies.

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  41. Birdgal: as I mentioned the other day, there is an organization called Recreate 68 (as in the Chicago Convention–only this time the radicals have slipped though the door and grabbed the gavel) that has bought up all the permits for public demonstation in the vicinity of the convention hall with the intention of filling them with bambi automotons, denying them to our organizations and monopolizing media coverage. There are a number of legal groups fighting this and I understand the ACLU is one of them.

    When people ask me who this guy really is this is what I say: He is the man in the grey flannel suit, the shill for big business, the paragidamatic example of 1950’s company man that writers like John O’Hara, Arthur Miller and Rod Seling wrote about but the real progenitor can be found in the story of Faust. Contrary to popular myth that is the exact opposite of what Hillary is about. She is the one-indeed the only one who would be willing to hold big business accountable for what they have done to the American people. NAFTA is but one example. Hillary says reexamine it, Barack says me too and then dispatches to goul to Canada and tells them that was just for public consumption. Do you want to be deceived, bamboozled call it what you will. If so vote tor Barack and you will not be disappointed.

  42. wwboei: Thank you for your calm assessment. Actually, I have had my TV (news), off for a couple of months now. I haven’t ventured to right-wing blogs (LOL), but I may take a trip. I focus on pro-Hillary sites, and get support that way. I do not want Hillary to be his VP.

    I heard about Recreate 68, a couple of months ago. I hope the ACLU makes some headway, in obtaining some permits. Some of the pro-Hillary groups have not been able to get permits.

    As far as contrarian priniciple viewpoints, I have been doing that, for a few months now. Whatever the media reports, I believe the opposite. Same with the BHO camp, I don’t believe anything they say.

  43. Life is boring without Hillary giving speeches/doing events every day. We are not the only ones who think so. Those who read the articles we posted this past Friday and Saturday about the New Hampshire hostage event will enjoy the below written by Stanley Fish. Read the whole thing, not just our excerpts.

    From early February through the beginning of June, the lament one heard from the political pundits (echoing Cicero’s first oration against Catiline) went this way: How long shall we have to endure the ordeal of the Democratic primary? How long before we get to the real thing?

    But now it turns out that the primary season – extended, it was said, beyond expectation or reason – was the real thing. And I say that because, at least to date, the current season – the season that was to bring a once-in-a-century contest between two men of different generations and clearly opposed ideologies – has been totally uninteresting.


    The whole dreary enterprise was rescued momentarily last Friday when Obama and Clinton appeared together in Unity, N.H. Suddenly it was the Indian summer of the primary season. There they were on the same stage, as they had been more than 20 times before.

    She said that this time it’s different, but it wasn’t. As she gave the opening speech you felt that at any moment she might respond to the crowd and re-declare her candidacy. The contrast between his lanky, Jimmy Stewart-like reserve and her unabashed blond ambition was as arresting as ever. The words were healing, but the atmosphere was electric. It was thrilling, and I found myself asking, When’s the next primary?

  44. Obama is TOAST and everyday I see more and more Obamabots in the media waking up to the fact that McCain might be #44 and that they made a mistake in him.

    It’s really funny how so many people drunk the kool-aid in the SEXISM AND MYSOGINY AND CLINTON HATING like it was fact. SAY STRONG AND DON’T GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC.

    THIS IS WAR!!!

    I know Obama’s type and DO NOT TRUST THEM, they can talk but their actions does not match their words. With Obama it’s about POWER, POWER, POWER and this sense of ARROGANCE to match his INSECURITY.

  45. I have very busy getting a new job, but I can tell you all that everywhere I go people are not as interested in the political scene anymore. It was way more exciting watching Hillary fight for her right to run everyday. The stupid DNC could not see America’s enthusiasm for our “Rocky”. I now hear no one at work or on the street discussing politics as I did before Hillary got out. We can all thank the DNC and NBC for this.

  46. Assume you are William Jefferson Clinton, 42nd President of the United States. You love your county, your wife and daughter. You are proud of the peace and prosperity you bought to our country during the eight years of your presidency. You feel a special affinity for the African American community because of your southern roots, and you realize how much they have contributed to this country and how little they have received in return until recently.

    Your wife decides to run for president because she too loves this country and wants it to succeed. You know she has the best combination of mind and heart for the job. You want to help her and step back to not eclipse her but all your instincts as a politician propel you forward into the spotlight. As you do so the piranas in the press descend upon you and you are forced to fight back against their feeding frenzy. You want to talk about the issues, they want to play a game of gotcha, you play along with it for awhile but eventually after long hours of campaigning you get a little steamed about it–who wouldn’t.

    Meanwhile, the opposing candidate joins forces with the press, attacks your wife and your legacy with reckless abandon. So does his first lady of hate. At the same time he starts praising Republican Presidents like Reagan. Then he undermines your support in the African American community. You present clear evidence to the sds that your wife is the more electable candidate but it is not heeded. Eventually, he gets control of the DNC through bribes and threats. Your wife wins the popular vote but they cheat her out of the nomination.

    Even as presumtive nominee he continues to attack you and her. He thinks he does not need your help to win the presidency but then wakes up one day and realizes that he does. So he comes to you with an olive branch and asks you to support him in the name of party unity. What obligation would you feel toward him and what exactly would you say?

    I do not know President Clinton personally so I have no idea what he will say. He does have very important business to attend to throughout the world and it is very important that he not neglect it. After all the fate of millions of people hinges on the success of is projects. As for his opponent, he has Axelrod to guide him through the political miasma, and no doubt he will talk him into becoming his chief of staff so he can spin his way from one national disater to another and retain a happy face. Rock stars dont sweat-the rest of us do.

    If it were me I would be inclined to tell him that I could not embrace him personally based on what has occured. The most I can do as a former president and party elder is support the party platform and hold him accountable for its achievemnet. If he persists and asks for a personal endorement I would say something like you should have thought of that before. Now there is nothing you can do to earn it, unless . . . (Note: as I sit here in front of a computer I have no idea what unless would be, or if even there is one.)

  47. wbboei,

    I wish Bill would say “First mend the damage. Before you attacked us on ‘racist remarks’, our approval rating among AAs was XX%. It went down to YY%. Now take back your charges and get that approval rating back up to where it was.THEN we’ll talk.”

    Same with the other charges BO made against them.

  48. wbboei, birdgirl,

    The empty gray flannel suit?

    But only our generation remembers the gray flannel suit.

  49. About blogs shut down.

    Try They’re new and started by one of us, offering free blogs to all pumas. Their software is excellent. I’m using them as a home page for . I can log in from anywhere and edit the page on a full screen wysywig html. very smooth and reliable.

  50. 9 million? Where do y’all get that? The highest figure I’ve seen is 7 million, from a CNN poll. Iirc they found 3 mil voting for McCain and 4 mil staying home.

  51. Unless you could honestly apologize to my wife, my daughter, the disenfranchised voters, and me as well as all the women in the world for what you said, what you did and what you failed to do in the interest of a better world, but I don’t think you are anymore capable of that than you are of being “the leader of the free world.” Meanwhile, I’m very busy and don’t have time for you.

  52. Admin: this is another myth of this election. That bambi is charismatic and Hillary is not. In fact, she’s captivating, he’s dull, and the proof is in 3 parts.

    First: David Gerghen (aka gargoyle): when they appeared togther in Unity New Hampshire she far more impressive than he was on the campaign trail. Ya thank?

    Second: 70 books published on Hillary (71 if you include mine on leadership-which talks about her). 2 books written on Bambi both of which were written by Bambi and are highly recommended to anyone who needs help falling asleep.

    Third: forgive me for saying so but Hillary is a damsite easier on the eyes than he is. I could listen to her for as long as she is speaking but when he comes on I reach quickly for the mute button.

  53. turndownoabama: touche. Permit me to revise and extend my remarks. The man in the empty gray flannel suit. Or like the Native American video says “Namama”.

  54. lil o grape: that would be a good start. But as you say he is not capable of it. He is full of that John Wayne bravado: never apologize its a sign of weakness. Let me tell you a little secret. If people knew how to apologize and were willing to more of it half the court cases on file would never have occurred.

  55. wbboei, Obama is plodding and dull, dull, dull. He reminds us of Lurch in TVLand’s “The Addams Family”.

    Hillary is always great to watch and listen to. When she is (rarely) in bad form she is still facinating. When she is in good form she is astounding.

    Obama and George W. Bush are both dullards. When either of them is on we picture many people grabbing a brick and throwing the brick at their TVs. The mute button is not enough.

  56. The ironic thing is that AA’s are going to be least served by BO….he is not “one of them”, but rather an elitist who played the race card very well. Clyburn was right there with him all the way.

  57. So much for being a great uniter. How is he going to unite the country, if he cannot even unite the democratic party? Lurch. I like that one. lol.

    I miss Hillary.

  58. 1. wbboei Says:
    June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I agree with you 100% on what Bill Clinton should say. He is no way obligated to endorse or support Obama if he doesn’t want to. He isn’t even in poliltics anymore. It would be sickening indeed to watch Bill embrace Obama. I have read that Bill is off “licking his wounds because he thought that it was pretty much a done deal of Hillary winning because of his legacy” and he is having a hard time of it than Hillary is. Bull! Bill is upset because of the attacks on his wife, being labeled as a racist and an attack on his presidency and rightfully so!

    1. jbstonesfan Says:
    June 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    The ironic thing is that AA’s are going to be least served by BO….he is not “one of them”, but rather an elitist who played the race card very well. Clyburn was right there with him all the way.

    I agree with you that the black people will be the least served by BO. He hasn’t attended hardly any of the the black functions. The Clinton’s have attended many of these functions, probably more than BO. She even attened the event with Tavis Smiley and Bo didn’t bother to appear. Hillary appeared even after the state didn’t vote for her and she was a minority in a room full of black people. I thought that she was courageous for doing that. I do feel that BO isn’t one of us and just an elist. He has placed the race card himself and/or allowed it to be played with no disnouncing it or apologizing for the behavior.

    I am a black female. Sadly black people think that Obama will have their best interests in mind. But I just don’t see it.
    I think that it is more of the black people’s fault that they support Obama. Many wanted to vote for Obama from the very beginng but only held back until after the Iowa caucuses when they realized that he was a “viable” candidate and that whites had voted for him. Before then they don’t the country wouldn’t embrace him. So it was very easy for them to turn on the Clintons when he became “viable”. So I blame them more for drinking the kool-aid Obama offered them instead of turning it down!

  59. A friend of mine from 18 million voices sent me an article a minute ago which you should read. It proves among other things that Karl Rove was instrumental in the success of Bambi (as Admin has contended), and it proves that big business interests were determined to promote this empty suit and promote Clinton (consistent with my independent analysis upthread). Here is an interesting excerpt.

    On June 4th Clinton acquiesced to pressure from Democratic Party leaders and announced she would both supsend her campaign and endorse Obama. The concession came 40 years to the day of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, after he won the California primary. Clinton supporters angrily denounced the strong-arm tactics, claiming the DNC was conspiring with the Obama campaign to subvert the nominating process. Like RFK, Clinton had surged towards the end of the primary season, winning six of nine states, and looked to have a real chance of victory at the party’s August gathering in Denver. By contrast, Obama’s support was teetering in the wake of revelations about his long relationship with Pastor Jeremiah Wright of Trinity Church in Chicago, as well as his connection to Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko.

    Citing the need for party unity, the DNC’s chairman, Howard Dean, declared Obama the official nominee on June 3rd based on the input of superdelegates, a group of nearly 800 elected leaders and party officials who normally don’t vote until the convention. (That’s why they’re called delegates.) Regardless, the Obama campaign immediately assumed control over the party apparatus and treasury, and much to the chagrin of Clinton activists and donors, immediately began contacting her donors for contributions and other support.
    That a winning candidate would be forced out of a presidential campaign by a means other than a bullet to the head is unprecedented in U.S. history

    Here is my take: the current polls are completely untrustworthy. I cannot say whether Hillary should have suspended her campaign or not because I do not know the nature and the extent of the pressure she was under. I so know however as much as any outsider can know that it would be a big mistake for her to accept the vice presidency. I think the same people who cheated her out of the presidency will try to force her to accept the vice presidency if his numbers slide. They will say it is for the good of the party, when in fact it is to save them from the consequences of their own improvident decision. Bill Clinton posed that very choice to the party a couple months ago and they made a bad decision. Let them live with it. For Hillary there are two choices: the presidency or the senate. Never the oblivion of the vice presidency. Let the cockroach from Missouri have it.

  60. Typo above: re, republicans their goal was to defeat hillary, whereas I mistakenly said promote,

  61. I just read that Bill Clinton has just boke the silence through a phone call. Described as a very good conversation. Oh **gag***, now the whole Clinton family will be out campaigning for them. Obama still hasn’t publicly apologized to the Clintons nor their supporters. They really seemed to embrace Obama in a hurry for “party unity”.

    I also read that Obama is trying to get more blacks in the south. Well, this black Georgia female definitely isn’t going to vote Obama! I just don’t get it with the urgency. They will definitely send the Clintons to gear up blacks in the south. I still don’t understand why the Clintons are doing this and am very disappointed with them. Next thing you know, Hillary will be Obama’s vice-president because the party wants to gain morevotes. I will work even harder to defeat that ticket.
    Now it just seems more and more that this is more about regaining power than about the will of the people. So sad!!

    By the way things are going, Obama just may win this sham of an election. By a long shot, he may be in for a surprise November defeat. A girl can wish, can’t she?

  62. It’s absolutely true that the race is super boring now that Hillary is gone. I hardly hear anyone talking about politics either. That will change as we get closer to November, I’m sure, but the level of enthusiasm won’t be close to what it was during the primaries, I’m sure.

    Those establishment Dems kept wringing their hands that the long primary season was hurting our chances to win in November. Bullshit. Hillary being in the race was a huge blessing they never came close to appreciating; they acted as if only Waffles inspired anyone. With all the PUMAs out there, they damn well know now that wasn’t the case.

    Also, wbboei is right about Hillary being charismatic. She ended this primary season a helluva lot better campaigner than when she started. Waffles is only “charismatic” when he reads Axelrod’s words. Notice how poorly he did when he tried to win over Hillary’s donors. He’s like the Wizard of Oz, exposed as a small man behind the curtain, when he has to stand on his own. Hillary, on the other hand, is unfailingly impressive in person.

  63. Here’s the link on Clinton and Waffles talking:

    I’ll bet Bill was honest with him, lol.

  64. Biden just admited that him and the Messiah are anti gay-marriage. Hillary would have taken a different stand. But then again, Hussein can’t hold a candle to Hillary.

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