Voting For Hillary Clinton Or Voting “Present”

Primaries are usually about a political party choosing a candidate to run as its standard bearer in the general election. Sometimes though, the fights are about the identity of the political party itself.

In past fights over the identity of the political party, the fight was expressed as a “platform” fight. Opposing sides battled to insert a political program or view as a “plank” in the “platform”, the document outlining the party’s core political set of beliefs.

The candidate nominated to represent the party in the general election was and is expected to run on the set of beliefs outlined in the platform. Usually this was not a problem because the nominee had enough votes not only to seize the nomination but also to keep out troublesome “planks” from the “platform” and insert advantageous “planks”.

This election cycle is different however. This election cycle is about the character of the Democratic Party as well as about its core principles.

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During the primary season, while Hillary Clinton was being trashed, while Hillary supporters were being trashed, while women were being trashed, not a word was heard from Democratic? Party leaders. Recently Howard Dean has said he was unaware of the trashing of Hillary because he does not have cable television. Uninformed Howard apparently has no other sources or methods of information gathering to apprise him of major news developments.

Howard Dean, the Chairman of the Democratic Party claimed he was unaware of all the sexism during the primaries. Now however, that Howard presumes that his favorite, Obama, is the nominee, Howard is all over the sexism story. In fact just about everyone who remained silent while Obama race-baited, gay-bashed and women-hated is now tut-tutting that dastard sexism.

Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi are now addressing the question of sexism (they have yet to denounce Obama for his sexist comments -or his race-baiting or his gay-bashing) as if they were Columbus on a newly mapped world.

The reason why Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi are now referencing a tiny portion of what transpired during the primaries is simple: they want our votes.

Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi along with oldtime and freshly minted Obama supporters who want Democrats to “fall in line” and support Obama are demanding that Hillary supporters “honor” Hillary by supporting Obama. Ain’t gonna happen.

Mothers are wise. Perhaps you have heard a parent say, or you yourself have said “If your friends jump off a cliff, (or out a window) will you jump too?” All our respect for Hillary guarantees is that when Hillary speaks, we listen. But we are not lemmings, we are not automatons, we do not live in dens filled with Hopium. We make up our own minds on who gets our votes.

If there was a mechanism whereby Hillary supporters could support the eventually nominee, whether that is Hillary or Obama or anyone else, and yet also have a way to remove those who stoked the race-baiting, gay-bashing and woman-hating of the primaries; a way to reject the ugly New Democratic Party Obama wants to create – perhaps then an argument could be made for voting for the Democratic nominee no matter who she or he is.

But that mechanism does NOT exist.

Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi believe they have Hillary supporters by the ovaries. Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi think there is no where else to go – that women and all Democrats will have to vote Democratic, that Democrats will have no choice but to support the Democratic nominee no matter what ugly deeds, however much cowardice, however many insults and injuries they authored.

They are wrong.

Obama has taught us how to vote “Present”. If Hillary is not the nominee, Hillary supporters that do not vote for McCain will either write in Hillary’s name – even if the vote is discarded – or simply NOT vote in the presidential race and only vote in down ticket races. Like Obama we will vote “Present”.

On the right hand side column we will continue to post our series Voting For Barack Obama. This series will detail, on an issue by issue basis why good Democrats should not vote for Obama.

We noted early in June that we would not vote for John McCain. Many Hillary supporters will vote for John McCain. Many Hillary supporters will vote for John McCain because they understand that as bad as McCain might be, Obama is simply not qualified to be president.

Obama can’t be trusted to run a 7-11, let alone a 9-11.

Other Hillary supporters know that the Democratic Party cannot be rewarded with votes. The recent cheers for Hillary from Obama supporters who either actively trashed Hillary (or stood silent) are attempts to dupe Hillary supporters into foolishly casting their self-respect aside and accepting the race-baiting, gay-bashing, woman-hating Obama.

Those that are now pretending to cheer Hillary, who ask Hillary supporters to “honor” her by voting for the unqualified Obama, will find out, at the ballot box, that we will not accept Obama nor Obama’s “new” Democratic? Party.

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As Obama struggles with tough Hillary donors (Ricki Leiberman and Barbara Layton too) there are two similar pledges for Hillary supporters to consider signing.

A Pledge from Together4Us:

On Saturday, June 7, 2008, Hillary Clinton suspended her historic campaign for President. To her 18 million voters, it may have seemed like an end, but we pledge to make it a beginning… a beginning of a movement to achieve the democratic and just country that Hillary has envisioned for America.

Hillary has spoken out for citizens who are too often invisible – children, the poor, the elderly, the working and middle class. She has spoken out and worked hard for universal health care, a strong economy, a clean planet, a stellar education system, an end to the war in Iraq and a sound foreign policy. She has built a broad and dedicated coalition of supporters and has energized millions of new voters – most notably women.

We stand together with her 18 million voters in pursuit of all of the following:

Bring us together by honoring Hillary Clinton and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver by:

Placing her name into nomination (following traditional protocol)

Ensuring a roll-call vote

Inviting her to speak, during prime-time, on August 26th, the 88th anniversary of Women’s Suffrage

Bring us together by adoption of policies on the Platform Committee that Hillary Clinton has championed.

Bring us together through reform of the primary and caucus system to reflect the basic principle of one person – one vote.

Bring us together through outspoken denunciation of all gender bias, racism and other forms of discrimination.

Bring us together by making a concerted effort to retire her campaign debt.

We are being asked to embrace Party Unity without the fair representation of Hillary Clinton and her 18 million voters. Once these requests have been addressed, we will give due consideration to calls for Party Unity. Party Unity requires bilateral action.

Another Pledge I OWN MY VOTE reads as follows:

On Saturday, June 7, 2008, Hillary Clinton suspended her historic campaign for President. To her 18 million voters, it may have seemed like an end, but I pledge to make it a beginning… a beginning of a movement to achieve the democratic and just country that Hillary has envisioned for America.

I stand together with Hillary Clinton’s 18 million voters to demand that Senator Obama and the Democratic Party:

Bring us together by seating 100% of the Florida and Michigan delegations in Denver with 100% of their votes, allocated in accordance with the popular vote of each state.

Bring us together by adopting policies on the Platform Committee that Hillary Clinton has championed.

Bring us together through reform of the primary and caucus system to reflect the basic principle of one person/one vote.

Bring us together through outspoken denunciation of all gender bias, racism and other forms of discrimination.

Bring us together by fairly and respectfully including Hillary and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver by, among other things, placing her name in nomination for President, conducting a roll call vote, and providing her a prominent speaking role during prime time on August 26th, the 88th anniversary of women’s suffrage.

I own my vote. It does not belong to any party. It does not belong to any candidate. It does not belong to any mob that would impose its will on me. Only I can decide how to use my vote, and I can decide based on any criteria I choose. Therefore I pledge not to give my vote to anyone who does not earn it.

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Our votes belong to each of us as individuals. Our votes are not for sale or barter. Our votes are like high denomination notes – we won’t buy something cheap with them. Obama cannot be trusted. Democratic? leaders such as Dean/Brazille/Pelosi are not to be trusted.

And by the way, have we mentioned that Obama is not qualified to be president and that Obama is not electable.




150 thoughts on “Voting For Hillary Clinton Or Voting “Present”

  1. Yep, my vote is not for sale or barter. I was disappointed to read an article that said Hillary asked her supporters to “transfer” their loyalty. My loyalty is not transferrable. My vote is not transferrable.

    Hillary Clinton was gang raped during the primary. Hillary maybe can forgive and forget .. but not this ole gal.

  2. I will not forget this sexism, racist dem primary season!!!!

    PIMPESS Pelosi sold her sisters…That “MADAM” does not speak for me!

  3. As for the SDs and delegate who keep on saying that they will do what Hillary asks of them.
    SDs are saying that to me all the time:
    “I will do what she asks me”
    “She has asked for party unity”
    “She has released her delegates”

    But I say to them:


  4. But this discrimination by Dean/Obama/Pelosi/Brazille will continue:

    It will be ageism now!

    I am compiling a list of elected officials over 65+ who are saying that McCain is too old.

    BTW: Madam herself is 67yrs!!!

  5. I’m glad the VP part was eliminated. I didn’t sign the pledge, because of that.

    I agree with Dot: My loyalty is non-transferable, especially to such an incompetent candidate.

  6. I don’t think, she has released her delegates. If she does that, she cannot pay off her debt.

  7. Admin: this is a great draft. I hope it gets into the hands of Clinton campaign donors before they do anything. Many of them want specific and credible assurances that she will be given a pivotal role in the process, rather than being marginalized as the dnc wants to do. You have given them the blueprint they needed. I agree that there should be no statement on the vp for the reasons discussed. If it were me I would also have a residuary clause to the effect that clinton supporters would be treated as equal partners in the party rather than people to be pushed out the door, with specific remedies for breach. For example when the give 75% of the seats at the RBC meeting to obamatons that is cancer.

  8. Neetabug:

    She has not released her delegates as far as I know. But I spoke to 2 CA SDs this week. And they used this as their reason for backing Barack now or hedging on their next steps.

    I have told them that is not so; even if that is true they should use their own judgment on who is the best candidate for the country. I challenged one of them even as far as going with someone other than Hillary or Barack if they feel that is best for the country.

    One SD said Hillary mentioned it in her conference call she had with the delegates; that was her understanding.

    2 others were very troubled; one of whom was quite depressed about the whole thing.

    I spoke with the DNC member SDs; they were much approachable than the elected ones; the elected ones are really playing games!!!

  9. SDs are saying that to me all the time:
    “I will do what she asks me”
    “She has asked for party unity”
    “She has released her delegates
    If they are saying that then they are not paying attention. To my knowledge she has NOT released her delegates, and she has been very specific on why she will not do so. It may be worth telling them that. It is unthinkable to me that the people who will make the decision as to who will be our next president could be that ignorant of the relevant facts.

  10. wbboei

    These are the DELEGATES. No wonder this world is in the shape it is. No one understands whats going on. Instead of thinking for themselves they let other think and tell them what to do. Sad, Sad, Sad

  11. Admin> It is my understanding that the Denver Group, the ACLU and approximately 40 other entities will be watching the DNC like a hawk in this convention to make sure it does not become yet another kangaroo court like the RBC would be interested. I realize that obama has more money than god and the dnc needs money but due process is sine qua non. On the issue of sexism, the DNC and the obama campaign were at times appeasers and at other times enablers, so the belated attempt to whitewash the issue rings hollow
    It is my earnest hope that they run this convention on the up and up, and respect the rights of senator clinton and her supporters as outlined in your blueprint. We can change the world for the better if we can get people to listen and the tactics which led to the passage of the 19th Amendment are instructive.

  12. Neetabug: I sometimes wonder whether the sage who said “if ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise” didn’t have the right idea.

  13. Bring us together through reform of the primary and caucus system to reflect the basic principle of one person – one vote.

    Who is going to DO this ‘reform’? Brazile, Dean? That would be letting the foxes repair the henhouse.

    We couldn’t ‘reform’ the procedures till we have reformed the DNC staff — by getting rid of the Dean/Brazile faction, which means defeating Obama in November (if not sooner).

    I don’t get this ‘bring us together’ stuff. It sounds like we are promising, or teasing, them with a possibility of us voting for Obama after all.

    The only semi-real item on the list is having a real roll call, with Hillary’s name on it. If she won, sure, that would unify us. But if Pelosi and Dean etc twist arms behind the scenes so that the same 300 SDs who switched to Obama already, stay with him — that’s not going to bring ME together. So for me, that item would have to be “Make Hillary the nominee.”

    Thanks for listening to me on the VP point. I hope I’m not blowing my credibility with this post. But I don’t get the point of a pledge thingy that sounds like surrender and doesnt’ even mention the fact that we’re still never going to vote for Obama no way.

    Maybe I need to drink coffee and then read it all again.

  14. Norma D:

    Tthat “writeinparty” site says that the money can go either for Hillary or the general election.

    That is misleading!!!!

    I will not contribute to the GE while that Obama fraud is round!!!

  15. 1950Dem:

    You are so right!!!

    That is why I refuse to sign and pledge; it is becoming a teasing game instead of cold, hard facts.

    I will not vote for Obama and I will not be part of the DNC while Dean/Pelosi/brazile are in charge after their sheningans.

  16. I will verify what they mean, although if I am not mistaken it means into HILLARY’S GE funds if donors are maxed….

  17. MP

    “My contribution is part of the “Buck$ the DNC VOTE” drive and is only to be used for Hillary Clinton primary or general election campaigns so Hillary will be fully funded and ready to finish the fight for the White House by Independence Day July the 4th.”

    but I’ll drop roger a note and clarify

  18. Norma D:

    Thanks….not a penny for Obama’s GE fund!!!

    Look I do not want to give money to Hillary if she ends up doing work for him while he is the nominee and she is using her GE fund money……

    Actually personally I am maxed out for the primary but I check these things!!! I always tell freidns to go to hillary’s own site.

  19. mp: as I think back on it now there was a phony story a few weeks back that Hillary had released her delegates on a conference call. The record was set straight on that. Perhaps that is the source of the confusion and the suspicion was that it was generated by the obama camp. In that case there is all the more reason to set the record straight. But there is more to say to them than just that.

  20. Obama’s Strategy: Steer Clear of the Issues

    Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:51 PM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

    Have you noticed a change in Barack Obama’s campaign? Instead of avoiding controversies over values, religion and race, he seems to welcome them and he wades into the debates with an increasing enthusiasm.

    Characterizing how the Republicans will attack him, he predicted that they would criticize his “funny name” and add “and by the way, did you notice that he’s black?”

    Obama used to go out of his way to avoid this kind of reference, but now he brings it on. Deliberately.


    Obama and the conservative right are mutually trying to keep the debate about his candidacy on the existential level — is he the hope for America’s future or a Manchurian Candidate, a kind of sleeper agent sent to destroy our democracy?

    That debate, which pits Obama’s rhetoric against the Rev. Wright’s rantings, is a contest that could go on all day, and Obama would win it. It is simply a bridge too far to believe that Obama is that evil and that invidious. But the more the debate covers such fundamental questions, the more it ignores the details — details which could bring Obama down.

    Quite simply, Obama would rather address his religious views and his optimism about America and his embrace of diversity than talk about his plans to raise taxes, let gasoline prices soar, and socialize healthcare.

    In our new book, “Fleeced,” we try to bring the debate back down to earth, focusing on the specific plans that Obama has announced during his presidential primary campaign and discussing the consequences. This is the debate Barack Obama hopes he can avoid.

    Consider his proposals:

    In effect, he would legislate a 60 percent tax bracket for upper-income Americans, killing all initiative and innovation. He’d raise the top bracket to 40 percent. He’d apply FICA taxes to all income, not just that under $100,000 as at present.

    So add 40 percent plus FICA’s 12.5 percent plus Medicare’s 2 percent plus state and local taxes averaging, after deduction, at 5 percent-6 percent, and you have a 60 percent bracket.

    He would double the capital gains tax, saddling the 50 percent of Americans who own stock with dramatically higher taxes.

    He’d double the dividend tax, hitting elderly coupon-clippers now retired and depending on fixed incomes.

    He wants to cover 12 million illegal immigrants with federally subsidized health insurance, dramatically driving up costs and forcing federal rationing of healthcare. As in the U.K. and Canada, you will not be permitted certain medical procedures if the bureaucrats decide you are not worth it.

    He proposes requiring Homeland Security operatives to notify terror suspects that they are under investigation within seven days of starting the investigation.

    He says that unless they can establish that there is “probable cause to believe that a certain individual is linked to a specific terrorist group,” Homeland Security cannot seize his documents and search his business. The current standard is only that the search be “relevant” to a terror investigation.

    He does not oppose $5-per-gallon gasoline but only says that he wishes there had been a more “gradual adjustment” to the higher prices.

    Obama can talk about the Rev. Wright and flag lapel pins and his wife’s love of America all day long. But what he resists is a specific discussion of his own plans for our country. That’s the discussion he fears and he avoids. And it’s the discussion John McCain must force upon him if he is to have any realistic chance of winning the election.

  21. Norma , 1950 dem ,

    How are you guys and how is everyone else here ??

    Please correct me if i am thinking of going to wrong path ,but i am thinking about contributing whatever i acn to help hillary pay off her debt–

    And i was thinking –i would not be happy if hillary accepts the vp slot,but if she does ,i will support her .B/c if i don,t ,it feels like cheating ,

    What do you think ??

    I have mixed feelings about that —i don,t like obama and i want to see hillary succeed in whatever position she takes or accept –and then i feel like if i am choosing hillary/dem party over country —

    BUT i guess ,just ignore media,obama,hillary ,,watch and see what happens by or after convention ,,and then decide —

  22. Morris analsis tells why we need moderated debates as opposed to surupy town hall meetings. Tom Brokaw would be an excellent moderator.

  23. Sonia I have stuggled with this one myself. At first I was in favor of her becoming the vp. I thought she could carve out a significant area within the administratation to pursue the issues that she is committed to and this would be good for both of them and the country. But when I listened to other views and saw how he has treated her re. PSD and more recently the appointment of EE to head up his health care program not hers and knowing how important that issue is to her, I came to the inescapable conclusion that it would be a mistake for her to work under him if he won the nomination and election.

  24. mp

    I just dropped a not to roger for clarification and the GE/funding/debt/war chest question

    I will post reply when it comes.


    I have to get back to house cleaning
    I am heading to NYC tomorrow to meet with 18MillionVoices

  25. wbboei Says:

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    But what happens if she takes it (i am praying -they don,t offer it to her )

    We have a saying “u r doomed if you do it and u r doomed if u don,t “

    So we saw how media has been to her —i am thinking -obama will not offer it to her (good)–but if he does and she says `no`and he loose –they will blame her and if she says `yes`and he looses -they will blame her –b/c thier baby bama is too precious –

    So ,i guess,i just don,t want to see hillary as vp ,she needs to be `president` or needs to stay away from hussien as much as possible.

  26. wbboei, we had not heard anything about ACLU watching the DNC convention.

    1950Democrat, as we wrote we see no mechanism for accomplishing what needs to be done. The sad logic is that the “new” Obama Party must be defeated as punishment for what was done during the primaries. Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi cannot be trusted.

    The pledges do offer some good basic starting points for Hillary supporters to agree on however. We posted them for information and because a discussion on basic goals is needed. We particularly like the call for a roll call vote, celebration of Women’s Equality Day with a Hillary speech, and adoption of reforms such as elimination of the caucus system.

    Remember that this is a process. While Big Pink is committed to voting for Hillary in NOvember no matter what, there are other Hillary supporters who are not quite there yet. Many on this site are decided on voting for John McCain but many other Hillary supporters are not there yet or probably ever.

    This is a process. There need to be some very basic agreements for the very diverse group of Hillary supporters to come to agreement before moving on to thornier issues. These organizational issues need to be discussed. You have contributed greatly to the debate.

    A consensus position from Hillary supporters would be desirable. We at Big Pink are strongly committed to a NObama NOvember strategy. Others are not there yet and need to be engaged in polite, respectful debate.

    Long term it appears that all Hillary supporters are in agreement on having a full roll call vote for Hillary at the convention.

    We are also trying to think strategically on these matters without cluing in the incense burners too much. Fortunately they are busy with their Hopium Hookahs to pay attention to the real world.

    This is an important discussion and as many Hillary supporters as possible should contribute to the discussion and if they agree with the pledges sign them. Disagreements should be aired so we can all arrive at a consensus position. A lot of big money donors are listening and watching to see what we say and do, so we are not alone.

    But we will make clear to you and all others – we belong to the NObama NOvember camp (while respecting and understanding other points of view).

  27. Sonia
    How does it feel like cheating. The cheating was Bo and the DNC stealing the nomination from Hillary It is like she was beating and raped. Now they want her to eat crow. I have no problem voting for McCain if she is the vp. (not gonna happen). All bambi wants is our votes, He doesn’t care how he gets them. We will all get thrown under the bus. NO WAY ever will i vote for him. I have never given it a second thought.


  28. neetabug Says:

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
    How does it feel like cheating.
    cheating –if hill is for VP and i vote against the ticket .

    AND if i vote for it —it feels like -putting hillary/dnc before country.

  29. neetabug Says:

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    and yes ,everyone goes under the bus after bambi gets what he needs and then he says “i don,t know them “

  30. Sonia

    Even his wife said if Hillary was the nominee she would have to think about voting for her,

    That really pissed me off

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    But what happens if she takes it (i am praying -they don,t offer it to her ) …
    i am thinking -obama will not offer it to her (good)

    Yes, let’s pray and work that it doesn’t get offered. That’s why I’ve got those petitions at
    I wrote two of them, but the rest were already at the ipetition site, written by bots.

    Let’s not waste time worrying about what to do in Nov if Hillary does have to take a VP slot (to keep her promise). Personally I’m going to work harder to defeat such a ticket so as to leave her free! But if your feelings aren’t clear, then don’t worry about it now!

  32. NEETA

    I know what you mean .His wife contributes50% of the reasons to not vote for obama.

    She is just plain stupid,snob,arrogant,elitist and mean .

    As educated as she is ,she should know ,how to talk,dress,and give interview –but she sounds like a soudi,s wife who is disappointed with usa policies —

  33. I don;t understand it. While Hillary was running everyone saying how bad Bambi is , Now that he is the nominee some are now going to vote for him even with the no experience, plus all the baggage, birth certificate, rezko, Larry S. etc. What is this world coming too

  34. neeta —

    Its all about the “bandwagon“

    I really think —all senators / politicians care for thier party first and then our country .

    Only hillary and mccain are few of those who have crossed party lines and done things which need to be done –

    But obama with `no experience` `57 states` `lakes in oregon` `waffles to finish “
    is mr no hope —no change–hell is gonna be on loose if he gets in the whitehouse ,he is too weak and corrupted .

  35. neetabug Says:

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    She has no CLASS
    You know –i am a stay home mom (part time ,i help my hubby whenevr our secretaries callin sick) and even i would never say things that this so called first lady wanna be has said .

    Point is –people like me ,who r not so active in tech/net/working society ,even they have common sense but MRS WAFFLES –NOP—empty brain filled with anger

  36. What has become of that private area at hillbilly’s old site, or somewhere?

    Sorry I’m picky about this ‘pledge’. I’m a professional editor, of fiction among other things, and of children’s fiction. I look at how something will be read from a galloping horse. I look at what people will make of it, which may not be what we intend.

    To me this (and what womencounttoo etc are proposing) — from a galloping horse they all read like SURRENDER.

    We ‘pledge’ to ‘come together’ if you will do xyz? Why are WE pledging anything to THEM?

    If it said ‘we pledge NOT to give you a fuckin inch UNLESS xyz and maybe not then either, sweetie’, that would be more to the point.

    At this point we have got some clear power. All these versions sound like offering to give up our clear power in return for … a bunch of vague words.

    As an editor, maybe the key is the repeated pharse ‘Bring us together’. It might be a little less surrenderish if it said ‘Make a start’.

    Or, ‘You can slow the damage by’. Or ‘stop the bleeding by’.

    Sorry, I must run. I did re-read today’s admin post and I like what you said as admin, but the ‘pledge’ seems to contradict that. I understand that you are looking for some minimal common ground with other groups, but this sounds — and can be taken by MSM as — like SETTLING for these few vague things (or token things such as a roll call which can be just as rigged as everything else was).

    Later I’ll see what noquarter is saying about this — and probably disagree with them too. 🙂

  37. June 25th, 2008 4:30 PM Eastern
    Is Senator Obama’s Campaign Booking CNN?
    by Greta Van Susteren

    I debated whether to tell you this or not…but I did promise behind the scenes information here on GretaWire….so here it is…yesterday at 9:00am I personally booked Reverend Sharpton to appear ON THE RECORD at 10pm eastern to discuss Don Imus. At 8:12pm, less than 2 hours before we were to begin our 10pm news show, I received a call in my office from Reverend Sharpton…he said that Senator Obama’s campaign had called and asked him to appear on CNN at the same time he was due to appear on ON THE RECORD and thus could not make our show at the top. I told him that our first segment was the one he had been booked for almost 12 hours earlier and which we had discussed …he said Senator Obama’s campaign called and wanted him on CNN and that he was sorry.

    So…here is my question: is Senator Obama’s campaign booking CNN now? Post your comment..

    (ps…we had to scramble to book the first segment since we had less than 2 hours and a special thanks to my old colleague Jim Moret ….we owe him…yes, this is YOUR show, too!)

    …and one other thing…we had more viewers than the competition last night more than 250,000 yes…you remain #1 at 10pm eastern on all of cablenews..this IS your show…..

  38. djia Says:

    June 25th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
    June 25th, 2008 4:30 PM Eastern
    Is Senator Obama’s Campaign Booking CNN?
    by Greta Van Susteren

    WHY is greta surprised??She is a smart lady and very neutral journalist,

    The whole world knows –obama books CNN==

    and that asshole CAFFERTEY –HE HUMPS PASTOR WRIGHT — thats why he always vomited hate against clintons and now he is after MCCAIN —

    CAFFERTEY is a seist,dirty pig ,,,

  39. I guess, Mr. Sharpton does not honor prior commitments, especially when the BO campaign beckons. Smells fishy.

  40. anyone know what sharpton had to say on CNN last night??? I want to know what obama needed him so badly for

  41. Hi. I’m new to this forum but I’ve campaigned for Hillary and am on other websites like PUMA & ClintonDems.

    Anyway, I came here because on ClintonDems they mentioned the Iowa convention is this weekend and they are trying to remind Hillary delegates to vote for her but they are also trying to contact Edwards’s delegates and encourage them to vote for Hillary. If Hillary was to get more delegates at the Iowa convention that could strengthen her at the national convention. I don’t have contact info on Edwards’s delegates, so if anyone here has info you can send it to my email account at I hope this site could also find that contact info and mention the Iowa convention for this weekend. Thanks.

  42. UUUUrgh!!!

    VAN SUSTEREN (6/24/08): You should see the e-mail I receive. I hear the Democratic Party talk about unity, and there is going to be unity in November. I hear that talk and I read my e-mails think it is almost delusional, because there are so many supporters of Senator Clinton who are absolutely outraged.

    PELOSI: What are they outraged about? That she did not win?

  43. Blue Democrat 9:20

    God, Polosi does not even know Hillary Rodham Clinton Won the Popular vote. Do her voters realized that she is so out of touch?



    Sorry for the caps. “What are they outraged about?” What an ignorant and self-righteous thing to say. It is totally dismissive of what people’s anger is truly about. If Hillary had lost in a fair election, we would be sad, but there would not be this outrage. Nasty is playing dumb. She knows, exactly, what we are angry about.

  45. I wonder how the people in O’s church feel now that he is no longer a member of there church, I wonder how many he has alienated. I wonder how many feel that they has been used

  46. Hillary Clinton, Civil Rights and the DNC Convention Ballot
    by Nancy Kallitechnis, Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 07:29:06 PM EST

    I’ve researched but haven’t found the list of candidates that will be on the 2008 DNC convention ballot. I heard a rumor that Hillary Clinton was knocked off the list but that doesn’t make sense because for what reason would she be blocked? Removing Hillary Clinton’s name would result in a male-only ballot and it might be a civil rights violation to remove a female to create a male-only competition. Furthermore, the anniversary of women winning the right to vote will be during the convention on August 26th so it would be terrible publicity if the first viable woman presidential candidate was blocked from competing with men. I looked at the list of candidates on the 2004 convention ballot and Clinton won more votes than all the candidates combined!

    Kerry, John F., 10,045,891
    Edwards, John, 3,207,048
    Dean, Howard, 937,015
    Kucinich, Dennis J., 643,067
    (others), 591,524
    Clark, Wesley K., 572,207
    Sharpton, Alfred C. “Al”, 383,683
    Uncommitted, 155,388

  47. fdrjim has a great post up on NOQuarter: “Hitler and the New Democratic Party.” He talks about Soros and Nazi Germany, Obama and the Cult of Personality, and Implications for our Democracy.

  48. Throwing the Candidate Out With the Bath Water
    by omnipotentpoobah, Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 08:01:08 PM EST

    Barack Obama’s recent decisions to chuck public campaign financing and support the FISA capitulation bill angered many. And, his missteps highlight a core problem of why government works – or more correctly – doesn’t work.

  49. Obama & FISA? I’m so over Obama!
    by Reality Addict
    Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 06:45:45 PM PDT
    Obama not only lied to me to my face–saying he would filibuster telecom amnesty–but in only the last week he has COMPLETELY trashed his credibility and his self-applied label as a “new politician”.

    Reality Addict’s diary :: ::
    A hundred times worse that the bill itself is that it kills the LAST chance we citizens will EVER have at knowing the truth about what Bush/Cheney did to our constitution and of EVER seeing them serving jail sentences.

    Pete Townsend said it best in 1971, in “Won’t Get Fooled Again”:
    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

    My vote will go to Nader, and my money will go to Sheehan for her run against Pelosi.

    As we’ve seen since the 2006 election, the democratic leadership is spineless, useless, and hopeless. Goodbye democrats.

    WOW——–DAILYHATE site actually this diaryyyyy

  50. I think Lincoln was the one who said if you want to test a mans character give him power.

    I saw this at Annapolis, as plebes became third classmen and assumed responsibilty for the indoctrination of new plebes. Did they remember what it was like when they were a plebe, or did they assume an imperious attitude. Those who fell in the latter category created morale problems.

    I saw it in Alaska when we were sending crab vessels into the Bering Sea, which is probably the most dangerous fishery in the world. Sometimes, the captain you hired for the vessel underwent a personality change when he left the cannery dock. Later you would learn from the crew how the took unreasonable risks on the fishing ground, which subjected crew members to loss of life or limb.

    I saw it in the trucking terminal operations where some managers became tin gods and ran their operations in a petty vindictive manner. This would result in a breakdown in moral authority and labor disruption. Often you had to fire the manager.

    The lesson I learned from all this was before you put someone in charge of other people’s welfare and lives you must ask yourself how this individual will perform as a leader in exigent circumsances if you give him or her the power.

    Re. Hillary: one of the many things that impressed me was her ability to handle a crisis situation. I remember the story of how in New Hampshire she stood up on a chair in a room and delivered a wonderful motivational speech to her supporters, and thereafter the countless times when she was dead tired but pushed her campaign forward to victory against all odds. Extraordinary leader.

    Re. John: he strikes me as a man who could get heated when people screwed up, but also willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. He is fair and level headed. He can be trusted in a crisis situation. I have no doubt that people would rally around him. Trustworthy leader.

    Re. Barack: he strikes me as someone who is very different when he has power than in situations where he does not. Granted I have never met him personally, nor do i care to. Thus I cannot say for sure how he would handle a crisis. But I can tell you this much. I am troubled by the PSD hire, the retention of EE on health care and other things that stike me as petty now that he has the power.

    I do not pretend to be an expert on this but you do learn something about people when you work around them over the years if you are paying attention. I am sure you have insights on the subject as well.

  51. ADMIN!!!!!

    Can you embed this clip of HRC speaking about unifying the party flanked by the cat-that-swallowed-the-canary Pooplosi and smirking Rangel???
    WARNING!!!! Don’t watch before a meal. 👿

  52. 1950democrat Says:
    June 25th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    “I don’t get this ‘bring us together’ stuff. It sounds like we are promising, or teasing, them with a possibility of us voting for Obama after all.
    The only semi-real item on the list is having a real roll call, with Hillary’s name on it. If she won, sure, that would unify us. But if Pelosi and Dean etc twist arms behind the scenes so that the same 300 SDs who switched to Obama already, stay with him — that’s not going to bring ME together. So for me, that item would have to be “Make Hillary the nominee.”
    1950 Dem, I see it exactly as you do. I want them to acknowledge that Hillary won the pop vote, that they have cheated people of their votes and delegates, stealing from her and handing to him – I want them to admit that the whole thing has been rigged, and until they do I am never coming back to the party! Why should I want to have anything to do with such corruption? I’m no cheap back room politician. They don’t represent me. I am a REAL Democrat. If they want my respect again, they’re going to have to learn to stand up for principles and concede that Hillary Clinton is the people’s choice. I’m signing no polite pledges, making no deals, not rolling over for a few symbolic concessions. I want the party to make ME a pledge: to clean up their dirty house, confess their sins, apologize, install people of integrity even if they have to go searching, like Diogenes, lantern in hand through the murky arena, to find honest patriots who can restore decency and democracy. I can think of just one: Hillary Clinton. And if they say it’s not going to happen, and she’s not going to be the nominee, then they can go to hell and stay there. I want a brand new clean respectable democratic party to replace the dead one now scattering stink over my beautiful country.

  53. Admin…great editorial mid-post…..

    I too am of NObama NOvember, but I am not totally McCain. Although I am signed up on his site to get the public skinny on his POV about things, and I look to him as the real patriot, I am put off by several policy positions.

    Now, I will not write in Hillary, and I will go an Anti-Obama vote, I am struggling.

    I think this is one of those times where I MUST take country over Party…no matter WHICH party, and pray like hell I make the right decision.

    I am not afraid of McCain screwing too much more up, and I had wished SO MUCH we would have a creative and steadfast mind in the White House in 2009, (read Hillary) but NO way, NO How, can I commit this nation to the Dean/Pelosi/Brazille/Kerry/NObama cabal…..

    I spoke to a life-long friend tonight,a die hard republican, and even SHE agrees that Hillary and or McCain would work for her…she HONESTLY BELIEVES NObama is an al queda operative…she said “you know they told us they would get us from within”

    I am not that far in my thinking, but we certainly are seeing a far-left coup and the undermining of democracy in the process. Throw in NObama’s “friends” and the drum beat to ERADICATE HRC, legacy and all, and one really starts to wonder WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON? Now Pelosi speaking about reviving the fairness doctrine to shut up talk radio and the centrist/republican side. Between this and the already co-opted big media propaganda machine we have seen in this “election” I am fearful where they want to take US. I have NO DOUBTS they are out there right now buying off Electoral College votes. I have finally come to agree with may that the LEFT is a dangerous place for this country.

  54. FDR’s post on noquarter

    h t t p : / /

  55. Here is a very insightful statement, from the comment section:

    “I am a College Professor with a Doctorate in Political Science and Psychology. I plead with all the people of our wonderful Country to please exercise extreme caution if you are supporting Obama. His credentials are representative of all the worst attributes we could possibly find in a man. Terrorism, Communism, racism, antisemitic profile, lack of honesty, prejudism, unpatriotic, a deep hatred for those of the white race. Ladies and Gentlemen, please I employ you this man is not who he says he is…his intentions are not what you beleive they are. He presents a very realdanger if given the power of President. I beg you to please do your research carefully and I’m positive you will vote for any Candidate except Senator Obama.”

  56. I read the Bob Beckel article on the last thread and it’s very telling on how nervous some are about Obama chances to win in November. I’m not talking about the TOOLS and Idiots but those who are waking up to the fact that Obama IS WEAK and ARROGANT and is LOSING voters everyday.

    Bob Beckel is PATHETIC and AUGUST is a LONG TIME and with OBAMBI making mistakes everyday, the angry is growing hotter everyday. Don’t let FEAR and INTIMIDATION guide you. FIGHT BACK and STAND UP for what is right…No party come before COUNTRY. How can you trust a man to lead this country who doesn’t respect it’s principles and idieas?

    Obama is an MARXIST who believes in LYING to the American People and NOT taking a STAND. He doesn’t even want your TRUST because he is so into the belief that he will be POTUS…the most unqualified democratic candidate every in the history of this COUNTRY.

    Hillary Clinton earned the respect from the American people, unfortuanately her Democratic Leaders earned their disdain. For those of you who can’t move past voting for McCain….then vote for Nader if Obama is the Nominee come November.

  57. Re: The Pledges.

    I haven’t signed either one yet. Maybe I will, I don’t know. My problem isn’t with the pledges themselves or with the good people who are behind them. It’s that throughout this primary season, I have signed soooo many petitions. I have written soooo many letters. Nothing made any difference whatsoever. So why should I believe that the powers-that-be will even bother to read these latest pledges?

  58. VAN SUSTEREN (6/24/08): You should see the e-mail I receive. I hear the Democratic Party talk about unity, and there is going to be unity in November. I hear that talk and I read my e-mails think it is almost delusional, because there are so many supporters of Senator Clinton who are absolutely outraged.

    PELOSI: What are they outraged about? That she did not win?
    Pelosi has an approval rating of 18%. That is 33% less than Bush who will go down as the worst president in history. So what does that make Nanceeee in the pantheon of heroes?

  59. hi everyone,
    is there not a way we can get this information out about
    obama’s birth certificate? the proof is there how do we get
    this msm? this is very important to all of us and our country!

    lets brainstorm here and think of ways ok?

    we have to all stay together and help hillary debt, she needs to
    be free of obama. and our goal is noobama right?

  60. I’m going back and forth between here and and I just posted in a discussion about the birth certificate. Based on the evidence I have seen, I am convinced that the birth certificate that Waffles posted online is a fake. Does this mean he is not a natural born citizen? I cannot say at this time. But it does appear that he is hiding something and I think the fake birth certificate in and of itself is scandal-worthy. I’d say our best bet is to get Hannity or O’Reilly or someone like that to do a story on it.

  61. Obama’s Red Roots

    By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    Election ’08: The word is that Barack Obama is a mainstream politician who sometimes attracts fringe leftists. The record tells a different story — that he has sought out radicals. What does that say of his agenda?

    Read More: Election 2008

    It’s natural to be skeptical of excessive claims about Obama’s radical associations. After all, there are so many. But one bears attention — because it helped him get his start in politics. In 1996, he won an Illinois state senate seat on a “fusion” ticket of the Democratic Party and leftist group called the “New Party.”

    The New Party, founded in 1992 with 7,000 members at its peak, had been an explicitly anti-capitalist party of ex-Communists, socialists and activists from ACORN, the hard-left group that’s constantly in trouble over voter fraud. The New Party didn’t ask for Obama’s association; he asked for the New Party’s endorsement.

    Blogger Rick Moran of the American Thinker has found disturbing particulars. First, the New Party didn’t give its support and campaign volunteers to just anyone. Obama actually had to audition for it. According to a September-October 1995 update on the New Party-aligned Chicago Democratic Socialists of America Web site:

    “About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to . . . to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates.”

    Anyone wanting a New Party endorsement had to “be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP,” the Web site said.

    So Obama signed on with this group and now remains in its debt.

    That raises questions about what was in the New Party platform that drew in Obama. Maybe its own statements saying it was formed “to break the stranglehold that corporate money and corporate media have over the political process.”

    Sound familiar? One of the few things Obama reveals in his vague “change” agenda are plans to punish corporations. He rails against “corporate profits” and even worked in a condemnation of them in his first defense of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. So there’s little doubt he shares a lot of what the New Party believes.

    The New Party also has advocated a bill of rights for children, a shorter work week, a universal “social” wage and military spending cuts. These will undermine parental rights, lower competitiveness, lard up welfare and make the U.S. less secure. All are echoed in Obama’s proposals. They are the hardest battle cries of the left.

    Obama should come clean on why he sought these radicals’ support and, better still, disclose just how he intends to pay them back.

  62. Michelle said TWICE this is the first time in my adult life that I’m proud of my country

    Watch her smile when the audience applauds her one-liner. The second time she merely changes it to “really proud.” Later Mr Obama claimed her “proud” comment related not to the country, but to the political process. LIE! By trying to deny what we can see and hear the Obamas are showing that America simply can not trust these Chicago opportunists. This is Lie #21 on the List of Obama’s documented LIES.What say you Chicago Tribune Editorial Board? Still think the list is “all false?”

  63. Wednesday, June 25, 2008
    Astonishing! Now Obama is running as a non-Chicago politician; claims his Chicago roots are irrelevant

    Breaking News

    In a press conference taking place as I blog in Chicago, Senator Obama was twice asked about his Chicago roots

    1) He claimed he’s always been regarded as an independent (not true…most liberal…left of Mao said one state Senator)

    2) He praised Chicago politics for it not being based on ideological partisanship (sure …its based on cash)

    3) He stated that the fact he was from from Chicago is not relevant to his run for candidacy. (immature or delusional)

    4) he said surely no-one can believe that the fact he’s from Chicago will influence how he operates as President. (wishful thinking or delusional)

    Surely he cant be this naive. At best to suggest his Chicago roots don’t matter is disingenuous

    Final Question

    Obama just flawed me by explaining away his campaign finance flip flop as being nothing more than his opponents whipping up controversy in a political race. Rather than answer the question he went onto criticize McCain for calling for drilling off the American coast…which he dismissed as a flip flop.

    Final Final Question
    Wow in his final question he just claimed that the Government’s response to the midwest floods was screwed up by commitments to Iraq…and then had the nerve to turn round and say we shouldn’t be politicizing these issues.


    Bill Bennet just ripped Donna Brazille a new A-hole over Obama’s refusal to explain why he’s willing to kill born-alive babies…and why he is taking positions on abortion more extreme than NIRAL.

    Something wasn’t right about that press-conference. The questions were 95% softballs.

  64. YEAH!!!! 😀

    Wednesday, June 25, 2008
    Clinton backer billionaire Haim Saban just said no deal to Obama

    In an e-mail exchange, Hollywood billionaire investor Haim Saban, who heads the Spanish language Univision network and has been a long-time, big-time supporter of Clinton’s was asked if he would be traveling to Washington for the event next week.

    His terse reply: “No.”

    LA Times

  65. Now, Chicago is being thrown under the bus. WoW. It is getting very crowded under there. This guy is such a fraud, and an empty suit.

    There is a very long letter to Greta, posted on NOQuarter, that is in response to Greta’s three part interview with Nasty. Here is a little gem:

    “For Speaker Pelosi to blow off your question about the level of sexism in this campaign by saying, “well, I’m too busy being Speaker of the House, so I haven’t been able to document this…” was reprehensible. DOCUMENT it??? She was part of the PROBLEM!!

    And she did not NEED to document it – it was blatantly OBVIOUS!! Since she seems incapable of acknowledging the sexism, the misogyny, with which Senator Clinton was met, perhaps this video by might give her a little clue: Feel free to pass it along to her.”

    So, Howie doesn’t watch cable, and Nasty was too busy being Speaker of the House to notice the misogyny during this campaign? What a bunch of hooey. They are so corrupt and dishonest, it is unbelievable, that they are considered leaders of the democratic? party. I am so glad, that I registered as an Independent.

    After reading this letter, which expresses so very well, my own personal feelings about what has transpired during this primary season, I think that entire Congress needs to be replaced. It is rotten to the core. The democratic? party has lost its way, and I will not be voting for any dems that support the Fraud and Empty Suit. What a disgrace.

  66. If anyone can get contacts for Iowa delegates for this weekend’s convention there and would like to lobby Clinton and Edwards delegates, then I have a letter that I will send to them that you can use. I have some contacts for delegates, but they contain personal emails that I can’t post on this blog.

    Dear Delegate:

    My name is Gabriel Gottlieb and I am aware that you will be attending the Iowa State Democratic Convention this weekend. This election could not be more important for our country. With the war in Iraq, slow economy, housing crisis, and rising gas prices we need to make the right choice for our nominee. I do not know if you are a pledged delegate for Sen. Clinton, Sen. Edwards, or Sen. Obama, but I hope if you are a delegate for Sen. Clinton that you will honor your commitment to her campaign and remain a delegate for her. She needs to have a strong showing at the convention in order to have strong support for her causes such as universal health care, energy independence, and support for struggling working class families to be included in the party platform and the fall campaign.

    If you are a delegate for Sen. Edwards, then I hope that you will support Sen. Clinton at this weekend’s convention. Even though Sen. Obama has been declared the presumptive nominee, we should think about who reflects the will of the Democratic voters and who is most likely to win in November. Sen. Clinton has shown throughout her career and this campaign a passion and knowledge of the most important issues of our day including concern for working families, improving the environment, and providing health care for all. She has the experience, knowledge, good judgment, strength, and inspiring personality to defeat Sen. McCain this November. Also, she has been successful in the primaries. She has won the popular vote by almost 200,000 votes and she won all but four primaries after March 1 despite being outspent more than two to one. She has won almost all the swing states (often by large margins) including Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, and New Mexico and most large states. She has strong support among working class families and moderate voters who often vote Republican, but are convinced that Sen. Clinton’s knowledge of and concern for economic issues should earn her their vote. She, also, was largely leading McCain in polls taken before the end of the primaries by larger margins than Sen. Obama. Sen. Obama’s lack of experience and uncertainty on the issues would make it harder for him to defeat Sen. McCain, especially when attacked by Republicans, which will happen at a stronger pace than it has so far.

    Sen. Clinton deserves a roll call at the convention so that the convention delegates can debate the strengths of both her and Sen. Obama. Such roll calls are customary whenever there is a close contest. Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, and Jerry Brown all were placed on a ballot and had supporters state there cases during roll call votes. Many of Sen. Clinton’s supporters do not believe the process was fair due to the disenfranchisement of voters in Michigan and Florida and the unfair apportionment of delegates in Michigan by party leadership. If Sen. Clinton does not have a roll call vote then many, many of her supporters will not think the process was fair or legitimate at all and there will be no chance for party unity.

    This election is too important to lose. We must choose the candidate with the greatest chance of winning and have a process that is seen as fair, despite previous actions by the DNC that most Clinton supporters did not think were fair or democratic. So, I hope that you will support Sen. Clinton at the state convention this weekend if you are already pledged to her or were pledged to Sen. Edwards.

    Thank you and I would like to point out that I was not instructed to send this email to you by the Clinton campaign, which is currently suspended, or told what to say by the campaign. I was, however, a volunteer for her campaign and am still a strong supporter of hers.

    You can copy and paste this onto your computer and personalize it for yourself. You can also use this for future delegate lobbying. If you have any suggestions for improving the letter or contact info for Iowa delegates then you can contact me at


  67. Please be careful if you copy and paste my letter not to include the last paragraph of my post, which is not part of the letter.

  68. Well, as Hillary said, “SHAME on you, Barack Obama!”


    Shame on you MR Dean Howard

    Shame on you MR Bill Richardson

    Shame on you NANCY –puke face

    Shame on you MICHELLE

    Shame on you DNC

    Shame on you CNN

    Shame on you MSNBC

    Shame on you KIETHO (pig a*s*shole)

    Shame on you MATHEWS

    Shame on you CAFFERTY (SNAKE)

    Shame on you SHARPTON

    Shame on you OPRAH

    Shame on you WRIGHT

    Shame on you PFLEGER

    Shame on you CLYBURN

    Shame on you BRAZILLA

    Shame on you MARTIN

  69. a link to fdrjim’s article on NQ has this FYI:

    Soros found his legion of honest Bush-haters, in groups like MoveOn and ACT, to be useful tools in his further grimy speculative binges. Following the Kerry defeat, MoveOn, the Center for American Progress, and other progressive groups on the Soros dole, targeted Vice President Dick Cheney and Halliburton, the giant oil and defense contractor that was profitting mightily off Bush and Cheney’s Iraq imperial misadventure.

    The barrage of attacks on Halliburton drove the company stock down, from a peak of $40 down to $26–at which point Soros began buying up Halliburton shares. Between the third quarter of 2005, and the fourth quarter of 2006, Soros bought 2 million shares of Halliburton, at an average price of just over $31. As the media attacks on Halliburton–in part, driven by Soros’s anti-Bush/Cheney and anti-war zeal–died down by late 2006, Halliburton shares quickly rebounded. By early 2008, with Halliburton shares nearing $50, Soros had made an estimated $40 million in clear profit, making him one of the larger Bush-Cheney war profiteers.

  70. NObama in NOvember.

    It’s not country over party, but REAL party over FALSE party. It is like a surgeon who has to cut the patient to save her life.

    There is a cancer on this party. Is the surgeon suppose to sit around feeling guilty, or does she come to her senses and operate? Time to grow up and help out.

  71. Excellent work, Admin.

    We do honor Hillary, and we will honor her by not voting for Barack Hussein Obama. There is no transference of our votes because there is no similarity in the character of the two candidates.

    Many of us will never, ever vote for any ticket or item which includes Barack Obama, period. It’s not about race, either, unless that is you consider Barry and his peeps calling all of us ‘racists’ out of hand. In that sense, I guess, it does involve race. Just like how McCaskill is trying to bring up race again now, everything with Barry involves race because he makes it so. It is his ‘go-to move,’ that is.

    If Barry were chosen as Hillary’s VP running mate I would have to think hard about supporting that ticket. It is that bad. He is that toxic. He should not be that close to the levers of power. God forbid, if anything were to happen to Hillary then we would be stuck with 57 States Man’s hand on “The Button.”

    No way. That is not only wrong it is negligent to the point of criminality.


    Based on contemporary vernacular nomenclature, Barack Hussein Obama is an ‘assclown’ That is, he is a joke, a fool. Someone you cannot take seriously. When he talks of ‘knives to gunfights’ and such would-be gangster bluster, you half expect someone with a cream pie to emerge from behind the curtain and plant the pastry upon BaJoke’s mug. It is that much of a farce.


    If Obama were an NBA hoopster — something which his limited basketball skills would never have allowed — then he would be Kobe Bryant: A whining, spoiled chump whom ex-teammate Shaq O’Neal is now asking to comment on how his (Shaq’s) rear end tastes, as you can see here:

    It is no surprise, then, Ofraudma was on the Jimmy Kimmel show during the NBA Finals proclaiming how great Kobe was, blah, blah, blah.

    Yo, Barack: Tell Shaq how his behind tastes.


    Not only will I not vote for BaJoke, I will be actively campaigning for and donating to John McCain if Barry Soreto is wrongly installed as the illegitimate nominee. In fact, I may vote straight GOP just to punish the DNC for the bullspit they have pulled with Hillary and her 18 million plus supporters who form the majority the of the party.

    They need and deserve to be punished. If they are not, then the coupists will feel like they got away with their machinations and we will all suffer again in the future.

    No way I’m going to help make that possible.

    Hold the detestable, race-baiting coupists to account:

    NoBama in November.

    Paul F. Villarreal

  72. What’s scary to me right now is that any comments against Obama on some non-political news websites I read are being removed. Most people don’t notice because they are removed before you can see it.

  73. We we ever get a president of the people again?

    Two parties, two presumptive nominees, two bad choices. Then there are the 3rd party candidates with not enough money to get their message out to allow the public to see who they really are or what they stand for.

    For the record, Democrats do not hold title as the elitist party..both the Democrat and Republican political machine is elitist. The position they both seek is “Ruler of the Free World” It is about power and about money. It is NOT about you.

    I suppose in a weird kind of way this BHO thing is good, because “we the people” are finally starting to see politics for what it really is and is not.

    In the early years of our country, during it’s formation, our people fought against the repressive regime of the British government. It took nearly 300 years after the first European stepped foot on the shores of the New World before we formed our own government and established our freedoms.

    Just over 200 years later we are now back to to a similar repressive regime. It is given the pseudonym “Democracy”. A label designed to make you think you are free.

    You are only as free as “they” will let you be…don’t forget that.

    We no longer have a goverment “of, for and by” the people.

    Is it not time we a least lay the groundwork to change the system that has created a serfdom of its entire working class, a system that dispropotionately favors the wealthy and elitists, a system that gives power to the few?

    NObama is only the tip of this iceberg…if it wasn’t him then it would be someone else they are trying to shove down our throats.

    Change starts with you, at the local level, in your homes, schools, and local city governments. Thats why they call it “grassroots” . Those leaders you select for your water boards, school boards, and city councils will be the very people sitting in DC in 10 to 15 years. If you give them a free pass now, they will have the liberty later.

    If not now, when…if not you, who?

  74. This unity business is all about the suppression of dissent. Dissent is defined as anything that contradicts the party line. Dissenting opinion is censored or if it cannot be censored then the author of that opinion is personally attacked as an enemy of the people. The term of choice is racist. Thought control is important. Traditional symbols like the declaration of independence are used to justify total access and infuence to government by big money. Images manipulated for partisan ends. The equation is now in focus: change=fascism.

    If you think I am kidding consider this factoid: an Obama affiliated organization called Recreate 68 has bought up all the permits in the vicinity of the convention center in Denver to deny visibility to anti-Obama forces, and to project the false impression of unity. Anti-obama forces will be relegated to the Disney trail far from the madding crowd and big media cameras. I am told that legal challenges are being mounted to this suppession of dissent. (Admin: sent you more details)

    Serious business or business as usual? You decide.

  75. Folks:

    I cannnot vote for BO even if hillary is VP: My reasons are:

    – Doing so is saying that a better, female candidate in deference to a less qualified man.

    – Doing so will force to lower my standards for this position. I did not for Bush; I lowered my standard when voting for Kerry…never again!

    – BO will still be in charge…my problem is him and his actions and what he is.

    I have started taking the “emotional feeling” about hillary out of the equation when I thinnk about who should be President; this way I know that Obama is just not right.

  76. Found on Noquarter


    Honolulu-Seattle Roundtrip in 61?

    Susan Blake

    Barack Obama, Dunham, Seattle, birth certificate, hawaii

    Here is another BIG QUESTION that came up in our examination of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

    In March 2007, the Chicago Tribune featured a story from Mercer Island, Washington that included a videotaped interview of Susan Blake, a high-school friend of Stanley Ann Dunham (known as “Ann”), Barack’s mother. Here’s the short video of Blake, as published by the Tribune and re-saved by Flineo:


    Why would Ann Dunham, at age 18, travel from Honolulu to Mercer Island (outside of Seattle) with a newborn infant for a “brief” visit?

    What were the logistics of a Honolulu-Seattle round trip in 1961: how long was the flight, and how much would the trip have cost?

    Were there any restrictions in 1961 about flying with newborn babies?

    Did Dunham travel alone with “Barry” (the name Blake used) or was she accompanied by Barack Sr., her mother, or others?

    Is it possible that Dunham actually delivered Barry someplace close to Mercer Island — either in the US or Canada — and she popped in to visit Ms. Blake on her way back to Hawaii?


    NOTE: The Chicago Tribune story linked above explains that Ann Dunham spent her high-school years on Mercer Island, where she bonded with a close-knit group of friends and teachers. She did not want to leave, but Stanley Dunham, her father, transferred the family to Honolulu shortly after Ann’s 1960 graduation from Mercer Island High. About one year later, Ann gave birth to Barry.


    My previous posts in the Birth Certificate series, in reverse chronological order:

    Hawaii Vital Records, Question 1
    Obama BIRTH MYSTERY, cont
    Obama’s Birth Certificate BAMBOOZLE, cont.
    Obama’s BIG Birth Certificate PROBLEM
    Obama Birth Certificate, Fake?

    248 Comments » Comment by gerard nedich | 2008-06-25 04:41:35

    i’m a single parent of twins… i just watched the video above of Obama’s mother visiting her friends on mercer island…

    i am shocked by her friends description… if one was traveling alone with a baby you would think that they would be able to change a diaper? kinda strange…

    if she can’t change a diaper i find it hard to believe that she would embark on any sort of trip, much less long haul flight with a baby… either she was already in the area or was traveling with someone who knew how to change diapers…

  77. Harriet wrote her very first blog diary for us!! please go show her some love 😀

    h t t p : / /


    It’s All About Obama
    June 26, 2008

    Many candidates have measured the Oval Office drapes prematurely. But Barack Obama is the first to redesign the presidential seal before the election.

    His seal featured an eagle emblazoned with his logo, and included a Latin version of his campaign slogan. This was an attempt by Sen. Obama to make himself appear more presidential. But most people saw in the seal something else – chutzpah – and he’s stopped using it. Such arrogance – even self-centeredness – have featured often in the Obama campaign.

    Consider his treatment of Jeremiah Wright. After Rev. Wright repeated his anti-American slurs at the National Press Club, Mr. Obama said their relationship was forever changed – but not because of what he’d said about America. Instead, Mr. Obama complained, “I don’t think he showed much concern for me.”

    Translation: Rev. Wright is an impediment to my ambitions. So, as it turns out, are some of Mr. Obama’s previous pledges.

    For example, Mr. Obama has said he “strongly supported public financing” and pledged to take federal funds for the fall, thereby limiting his spending to roughly $84 million. Now convinced he can raise more than $84 million, he reversed course last week, ditching the federal money and its limits. But by discarding his earlier pledge so easily, he raises doubts about whether his word can be trusted.

    Last month he replied “anywhere, anytime” to John McCain’s invitation to have joint town hall appearances. Last week he changed his mind. Fearing 10 impromptu town halls, Mr. Obama parried the invitation by offering two such events – one the night of July 4, when every ambulatory American is watching fireworks or munching hotdogs, and another in August. His spokesman then said, “Take it or leave it.” So much for “anywhere, anytime.”

    My former White House colleague Yuval Levin pointed out that Mr. Obama, in his first national TV ad rolled out Friday, claims credit for having “extended health care for wounded troops,” citing the 2008 defense authorization. That bill passed 91-3 – but Mr. Obama was one of only six senators who didn’t show up to vote. This brazen claim underscores the candidate’s thin résumé and, again, his chutzpah.

    Mr. Obama has now also played the race card, twice suggesting in recent weeks that Republicans will draw attention to the fact that he’s black. Who is unaware of that? Americans overwhelmingly find it a hopeful, optimistic sign that the country could elect an African-American president. But they rightly want to know what kind of leader he might be. They may well reject as cynical any maneuver to discourage close examination of him by suggesting any criticism is racially motivated.

    The candidate’s self-centeredness has been on display before. Having effectively sewed up the Democratic nomination, he could have agreed to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations (states Hillary Clinton had carried). While reducing his lead by 50 to 55 delegates, it would not have altered the outcome. But Mr. Obama supported cutting these battleground-state delegations in half. At a time when magnanimity was called for, the candidate decided he’d strut.

    Mr. Obama’s alpha-male attitude was evident even as he stumbled towards and over the primary finish line. First, his campaign announced in May it was talking to Patti Solis Doyle after Sen. Clinton fired her as campaign manager. This served only to pour salt in the Clintons’ wounds.

    Then, after the primaries ended June 3, Mr. Obama’s campaign leaked word that Leon Panetta (a Clinton supporter who’d apparently angered the Clintons by persistent criticism of their performance) and Ms. Doyle would conduct its outreach to the Clinton camp. Ms. Doyle was named chief of staff to the as-yet-to-be-chosen vice presidential running mate. All this was pointless, but reveals a disposition certain to manifest itself in other ways.

    Mr. McCain will be helped if he uses Mr. Obama’s actions to paint his opponent as someone driven by an all-powerful instinct to look out only for himself. In a contest over who is willing to put principle above personal ambition and self-interest, John McCain, a war hero and a former POW, wins hands down. That may not be the most important issue to voters in electing a president, but it’s something they will rightly take into account.

  79. Jen the Michigander Says:

    June 26th, 2008 at 12:01 am
    In Saban’s honor, I will watch some Univision tonight after I log off. Love those Latin soaps, even though my Spanish isn’t so good.


    I watch the latin soaps also. I do not speak spanish., I can’t explain it, i seem to understand whats going on.

  80. Seems Hillary is making nice to get the debt reduced as a practical matter as she has 11 million at stake. Bill , thankfully, is still not ready to endorse this fraud.

  81. Carl Rove is right on with his assessment of Flip-Flop. There are some serious characterological issues with BO. Arrogance, is the tip of the iceberg.

  82. While -i understand why hillary is helping OBAMA —

    I don,t understand -why she gave my personal e-mail address to OBAMA CAMP –the one -i use for spending -donating-shopping -that e-mail add is related to my true identity -as sonia is my nick (family)name ,its not my legal name .

    Iknow ,its not that big of a deal ,but still,why give out my personal –May be i am just disappointed for nothing .

  83. I know –she probably gave her whole database to OBAMA ,

    And he is begging for $15 for a obamalogo magnet —-my foot — I would not even put his NAZI- magnet on my car -0even if i was paid to do it —and he is asking for money –

    I can be nice and nasty too—-thank god i don,t have any obamabot around my personal env –or i was so pissed –i could have thrown some rotten tomatoes on them .(jokingly)

  84. How do I get a list of every Pennsylvania politician and SD that supported Barafraud Obama? I will blacklist these idiots and make sure they never get my vote!!!

  85. That was probably a bargaining chip….I use my real e-mail as well. It does not mean we give a red cent to him or the DNC….Hillary is forced to make these concessions for $$$ and so she can have a future in the party if/when Obama fails….god willing he loses and we have 2012 to look forward to….

  86. Just FYI (and maybe I am just fortunate), I have sent a few notes and comments via, asking NOT to share my contact information with the Obama campaign. So far it has worked. Maybe because one comment was sent with a contribution?

  87. jbstonesfan Says:

    June 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Yeah ,thats true .I just wish all the best to HILLARY -AND YES i will be waiting for 2012.

  88. I hate the idea of Hillary having to put on a “happy face” for the sake of unity. Unity my butt!! I can’t stand Dean, I can’t stand Pelosi (that old freaking hag), I can’t stand Richardson (TRAIDOR!!) and I can’t stand Edwards (sell-out!!!). Now, the DNC can kiss my Latino behind and forget about my vote and financial contribution. Chris Matthews and MSNBC can go f#$% themselves, and CNN can burn down for all I care!

  89. SO —

    Someone here ,pls educate on my FISA bill

    and gun stuff

    as i have said -i hate politics but i love hillary …..and she is the only reason ,i ever got interested in all this stuff ..

  90. sonia: I haven’t received any e-mails from his camp, but I did receive a request for a donation in the mail. I think, he has the DNC list. I don’t think, Hillary is giving him, her e-mail list. Another source, might be voter registration rolls. Did you ever contact the DNC?

  91. I have also sent an e-mail to Hillary asking her not to share my contact info with the Obama campaign

  92. The Obama camp better not even think about emailing me asking me for money. They can go f@#$ themselves for all I care. No Hillary, no contribution..period!

  93. YES — I did ,i had sent them some anger filled letters but they were all from my sonia…..@yahoo e-mail .

    Not from my personal e-mail (which is related to my personal information)

  94. sotonightthatimightsee Says:

    June 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    ha ha –i like what u wrote“`my latino behind “`

    and ““`my indian behind “`

  95. I agree with every word Karl Rove writes in that column. Before this campaign, I NEVER thought I’d say that about something authored by Rove.

  96. November 4th, 8pm Eastern Time.

    Axelrod: Senator, ABC just called SC, NC, GA, MS, LA, TN, AK, and VA for John McCain. It also looks as if WV and KY will go his way.

    Obama: Oh well, that’s ok. I never said black folks would carry the South for me (he’s lying! He did say such thing).


    Axelrold: Senator, I hate to inform you that CNN just called Michigan and Florida for the Arizona Senator.

    Obama: What the f@#$! I thought we had Michigan…yo man, this sh%& ain’t cool!


    Axelrod: Senator, it looks like PA and Ohio will be called for McCain. Honestly sir, we’re fu

  97. Please wake up Americans…I am HRC supporter, and I will never vote for BHO…..The america deserves an honorable man not a car salesman…..NEVER to vote for BHO…..We deserve better than that……HRC 2012…..

  98. Admin, I am grateful to you for posting the two “pledges” above. It demonstrates those who are standing with Hillary or for Hillary, actually (at this point), are clarifying what it is we are standing for and that is a crucial point in bringing the “opposition party” together. Indeed, I do think we have an opposition party, or at least the makin’s of one. On another topic, I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with every word Rove said in the column that was posted up thread about his arrogance. Rove did not mention that BO also declared himself the nominee before he ever spoke to Hillary, had a story leaked that said she was withdrawin’, moved his DNC office to Chicago and pronounced himself the head of the democratic party. Can we say facist dictator? Rove was more polite than ole mollyj.

  99. hmmm-hillbuzz has a point.
    Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius Auditions For VP Slot By Playing Race Card For Obama

    VIA McClatchy

    The Democratic Party, and the Obama campaign, are truly disgusting at this point. First Obama played the race card against the Clintons in the primaries. Then, he played the race card again against John McCain recently in Florida. Now, he’s sent Kathleen Sebelius out to play the same race card against the Republicans again.

    This is a psychological move on the Democrats’ part: they think if they keep saying Republicans are ugly racists, and implicitly anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama is a racist, that people will soon forget who called the Republicans racists, but will just remember Republicans ARE racists.

    Every day, we are more and more ashamed of the Democratic Party.

    We spent YEARS defending the Democrats and have gotten into actual, literal, fights with Republicans, standing up for every clown the Democrats have nominated in the ranks of Dukakis, Kerry, etc. We’ve defended the liberal left of the party, because it was part of the party, though not the dominate part, against every Coulter, Limbaugh, or Hannity that was out there. We’ve taken a lot of grief and a good many lumps through the years proudly being a Democrat, even when the Party made terrible choices and Party leaders said incredibly stupid things.

    Well, 2008 is just beyond the pale.

    We actually understand why Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity have lambasted the Democrats through the years.

    The race-baiting Obama and his surrogates are doing is so clumsy and obvious, they’re not going to get away with it this time.

    Here’s why we think they are doing it: the Obama camp believes chumming the waters with race-baiting will either trick the Republicans into taking the bait and making a stupid racial remark (like George Allen and his macaca moment) so Obama can appear victimized and thus earn free sympathy and support, or they believe by racially charging this election, they’ll scare the Republicans off attacking Obama on anything, since they will be so concerned with not seeming racist that they will go easy on him on everything (the way, basically, Clinton was forced to in the primaries).

    Here’s what’s actually going to happen: the race-baiting will backfire on Obama, because the working class and poor voters in this country see right through this nonsense, and do not, in no uncertain terms, suffer from any liberal white guilt. When they hear remarks like Obama and Sebelius are making on race, and when they connect the fact that, by implication, anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama must be racist, they are going to be fairly ticked off at being called racists themselves for not wanting to vote for Obama. Some of these people may have stayed home and not voted for anyone — but we know a few people who never in their lifetime thought they’d vote for a Republican who are specifically voting for McCain because of Obama’s use of the race card. The other thing this strategy does is give the Republicans a rallying point. If what the media says is true, and Republicans are not showing much enthusiasm in voting for McCain, this race-baiting will sure change that. Any Republicans planning to sit this election out just got mobilized — calling Republicans racist is a surefire way to get them to the polls…where they will vote for McCain. Liberal white guilt does not affect Conservatives, surprisingly enough. If Republicans were liberal enough to be affected by it, they’d be Democrats in the first place.

    So, the race card hurts Obama a great deal in the end. It also keeps emphasizing he’s the black candidate, instead of the candidate who happens to be black, which is what he claimed at the beginning of this race. Being the black candidate means more attention is paid to his 20 years at Trinity United, and the Black Liberation Theology espoused there. That’s Kryptonite to the Obama campaign.

    So, why are Obama and Sebelius doing this?

    And who on Earth believes Sebelius has a shot at being VP? Her response to the 2008 State of the Union Address was the worst we’ve ever seen delivered by a Democrat. She not only came across as stiff, amateur, and a little ghoulish, but she shamelessly made the speech into an Obama commercial, which many of us still resent. Sebelius is not as disliked in Clinton supporter circles as the vile Claire McCaskill, but she’s someone who would drive more people over to McCain, we can assure you.

    There are only two women Obama could ever pick as VP without sparking an immediate backlash of a large portion of Clinton supporters who, currently, are toeing the party line and following the unity directive: Hillary Clinton and Caroline Kennedy.

    Clinton is obvious, but she’s smart enough to stick to her day job in the Senate.

    Kennedy would be a genius choice, in our opinion. We still believe, had he lived, John Kennedy would have made the perfect running mate for Gore in 2000. With Ted Kennedy in poor health, the Kennedy family needs another member in a high profile role, so we weren’t surprised to find Caroline on the VP search team for Obama. That’s how Cheney got the VP slot. True, Caroline’s never been elected to anything, but the older voters Obama needs to appeal to still adore her — even hardcore Hillary Clinton supporters were never as angered over her support for Obama as they were other surrogates. She’s a great choice for that reason alone. And, weirdly, she’s also the person Nixon once predicted would become the first female president. That would truly be a bizarre turn of events. We lost all respect we had for Caroline when she, like Claire McCaskill and Bob Casey, said the reason she supported Obama was because her children told her to, but we’re the minority on that one. She’s just the only female VP choice that doesn’t make people angry and sick. There’s little to no chance she’ll be selected, but we’re just warning you now picking Sebelius, McCaskill, or Napalotino will start an outright war with female Hillary Clinton supporters…even the ones who are being quiet and playing unity with Obama now.

    Posted by HillBuzz at 5:30 AM

  100. Well, let me be the first to say that havin’ Caroline Kennedy on the ticket wouldn’t help me one damn bit. It’s nothin’ against Caroline, but she’s not an experienced politician or public servant. She is an author, she’s on numerous boards but there’s no evidence she knows how to run the country.

  101. And another thing…just to make sure we’re clear. I am appalled at the race baiting by Obama and Sebelius. I wrote Sebelius a heart felt letter once. She never answered. I get the impression she is as ambitious as BO. She is also no more qualified. This is tokenism. BO thinks he can silence women voters for Hillary and other Hillary supporters by stickin’ any ole woman on the ticket. That’s sexism. And their collective race baiting is just flagrant racism. Dr. King’s message to all of us was grounded in love and compassion and he was a fierce, effective warrior for equality through nonviolence. We need to concentrate on what we’ve learned from these champions in our past as we take note of the pettiness of the actions taken by the ill-informed opportunists.

  102. I would never vote for a ticket with Caroline Kennedy and BO on it. Talk about 2 inexperienced people. Shudders.

  103. June 25, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    No e-mail for Hillary

    Obama says he won’t be e-mailing his list for help retiring Clinton’s debt — a move that might not have been welcomed by many of his grass-roots supporters, but would have been symbolically important to some of Clinton’s backers.

    “Their budgets are tighter and they know that I’m going to be working with Sen. Clinton, and if they want to make contributions, there’s nothing wrong with their doing so,” he said. An email blast, however, “probably wouldn’t be that effective in making a big dent in Sen. Clinton’s debt.”

    By Ben Smith 05:05 PM

  104. I hope that fraud does send me an email for money. I want to tell his fduking ass off. It’ll give me heart to unsubscribe at the same time

  105. so Bambi gets Hillary’s list to email to his hearts content .. but he won’t ask his donors for help for her.

    Fuck him. Just makes me hope he crateres before the fall.

    unfortunately the msm is gonna hold him up like he’s the messiah and cover up his faults. Woe to the country .. thanks again to the media.

    MSM helped install the dimwit we have now by the lying and coverups .. they are working hard to do the same thing again

  106. McCain, GOP unleash anti-Obama plan

    By JONATHAN MARTIN | 6/26/08 12:41 PM EST

    Republicans might have a reason to smile: John McCain and his allies seem to have finally settled on a way to draw a stark contrast with Barack Obama.

    After weeks of criticism from Republicans about the leisurely pace at which they seemed to be preparing for the general election, McCain’s campaign has apparently settled on a highly personal campaign theme that aims to differentiate McCain and Obama on both character and issues.

    The strategy: Paint Obama as conventional politician who always takes the safe and easy political road, then amplify the distinction by framing McCain as a patriot, somebody who has put sacrifice above self.

    It’s seemingly an effort by McCain to remind voters of his Vietnam-era heroism and compelling life story while touching on key issues to avoid running purely on biography. The message also is designed to underline McCain’s unique record of service to his country without touching on subterranean questions about Obama’s patriotism.

    Whether it will work — or if the famously improvisational McCain will even stick to it — is an open question.

    But it is finally clear that McCain and many of his allies — including Karl Rove and Mitt Romney — are finally working in unison to push one message, and push it aggressively.

    In a memo sent to reporters Thursday morning headlined, “Country First Vs. Self-Serving Partisanship,” McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt traces an unbroken line from the physical courage McCain demonstrated in the Hanoi Hilton to the political bravery his supporters say he demonstrated on Capitol Hill.

    to finish reading this 2 page article:

  107. Dot: I don’t think, BO has Hillary’s e-mail list. The only thing I received, was from the DNC, which I have since unsubscribed to.

  108. Caroline Kennedy chose, like her sick uncle, to back stab Hillary. I am not going to worship her because of her father….Obama ain’t no JFK and Caroline ain’t no Hillary. Oprah can go to hell as well.

  109. moononpluto Says:
    June 26th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    Caroline Kennedy kind of fucks up their mantra of no dynasty does it not?

    Especially with Ted Kennedy wanting to give his Senate seat to his wife!

    (1950 back on line, reading from the bottom up)

  110. Hillary Clinton is a LOYAL DEMOCRAT in the FDR and ELEANOR tradition with a little bit of LBJ and Clinton thrown in…she believes in the principles and values of the democratic party.

    Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid/Howard Dean/John Kerry and the rest of the WEAK, WEAK ELITES are a bunch of COWARDS and LOSERS who don’t know how to LEAD…they’re a bunch of gutless paper pushers who have forgotten the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE of their party and this country.

    They have no problem in writing people off and being dismissive of their responsibility of protecting this great country and promoting our well being…so they made a deal with the DEVIL (the violent radicals) because they are COWARDS with NO HONOR.

    We send our children to fight for our COUNTRY and OUR TRADITIONS and OUR CONSTITUTION and the DEMOCRATS selects the most under qualified candidate in the history of this country because of his accomplishments, his leadership, his political strength for the people of this country…….HELL NO!!!

    IT’s because he is AFRICAN AMERICAN and a Arrogant Lying MARXIST TOO!

    I hate to say this but at this time…we democrats from ALL walks of life have a problem with our party and it’s current WEAK LEADERSHIP. I don’t TRUST my party and I don’t TRUST the the DNC and it’s selection with it’s NEW DEMOCRATIC COALITION with every kool-aid drinker, kook and wingnut abound in it’s recruitment in Obamaland.

  111. From

    McCain, GOP unleash anti-Obama plan
    By JONATHAN MARTIN | 6/26/08 12:41 PM EST
    Text Size:

    Republicans might have a reason to smile: John McCain and his allies seem to have finally settled on a way to draw a stark contrast with Barack Obama.

    After weeks of criticism from Republicans about the leisurely pace at which they seemed to be preparing for the general election, McCain’s campaign has apparently settled on a highly personal campaign theme that aims to differentiate McCain and Obama on both character and issues.

    The strategy: Paint Obama as conventional politician who always takes the safe and easy political road, then amplify the distinction by framing McCain as a patriot, somebody who has put sacrifice above self.

    It’s seemingly an effort by McCain to remind voters of his Vietnam-era heroism and compelling life story while touching on key issues to avoid running purely on biography. The message also is designed to underline McCain’s unique record of service to his country without touching on subterranean questions about Obama’s patriotism.

    Whether it will work — or if the famously improvisational McCain will even stick to it — is an open question.

    But it is finally clear that McCain and many of his allies — including Karl Rove and Mitt Romney — are finally working in unison to push one message, and push it aggressively.

    In a memo sent to reporters Thursday morning headlined, “Country First Vs. Self-Serving Partisanship,” McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt traces an unbroken line from the physical courage McCain demonstrated in the Hanoi Hilton to the political bravery his supporters say he demonstrated on Capitol Hill.

    “When John McCain was offered early release as a prisoner of war, he refused, subjecting himself to torture rather than give a propaganda victory to his captors,” Schmidt writes. “Is it any wonder that during the Republican primary, John McCain was working with Democrats and talking about the need for comprehensive immigration reform?”

    Obama, Schmidt contends, has never picked the harder right over the easier wrong.

    “In his time on the national stage, he has consistently put his party and his self-interest first,” he writes, citing energy and Iraq as two issues where Obama is constrained by the base of his own party.

    Schmidt also seeks to use the same self-interest frame to bruise Obama for his decision to reverse course on taking public funding to finance his campaign and for not being willing to engage McCain in multiple town hall meetings.

    The Obama campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    There is also an element of triangulation in the new theme, a recognition that McCain needs to set him apart from a toxic Republican administration and the political status quo.

    To this end, Schmidt seeks to rebut the consistent Democratic effort to fuse McCain and President Bush by suggesting that it’s not just Bush but Washington that is broken.

    The country’s political challenges aren’t due to “a Republican administration that has disappointed many or a Democratic Congress that cannot take action on the challenges facing our nation,” Schmidt writes. “The problem is that politicians in Washington are working for their own self-interest or that of their party.”

    Schmidt, who is taking on a broader portfolio in the campaign and has returned from the trail to work at headquarters full time, developed the theme, according to campaign sources, and it has been quickly accepted as the new line.

    McCain, who rarely discusses what is perhaps the most compelling element of his biography, used the new language twice on Tuesday to bring up his refusal to take early release in Vietnam.

    “When I was offered a chance to go home early from prison camp in Vietnam, I put my country first,” McCain said on a conference call Tuesday night with independent and Democratic voters in South Florida. “And I’ve been doing that ever since.”

    He said much the same later that night at a fundraiser in Newport Beach, Calif.

    Also picking up the theme Thursday were Rove and Romney.

    Rove used his regular perch on the Wall Street Journal opinion page to openly press the patriotism issue. “In a contest over who is willing to put principle above personal ambition and self-interest, John McCain, a war hero and a former POW, wins hands down,” Rove wrote.

    In a clear sign of the desire of McCain’s campaign to drive this message, Romney, who has emerged as one of McCain’s most frequent and on-message surrogates, appeared on three television morning shows to make the case.

    “He has consistently voted with his party on the most partisan issues and put his party and personal interests ahead of those of the nation,” Romney said of Obama on CNN’s “American Morning.” “I think [he’s] been unable during his career at any time to reach across the aisle, find compromise, find ways to get things done other than simply toeing the party line.”

  112. NYTimes Article about “Unity”, the Benjamin$$’s, and Obama’s Snubs:

    Excerpts below (with my $$$ comments):

    1. But nearly three weeks after Mrs. Clinton suspended her campaign and endorsed Mr. Obama, some loyalists, especially on the Clinton side, are having trouble moving on.

    $$$ Ah, yeah. Duh. Can you say coup d-parte? And if Obama only “won” by including SDs, and not outright on “committed delegates”, the SDs can still change their minds. Still nine weeks to go before it settles in that Obama will drag them over the cliff.

    2. Some Clinton supporters are grousing that Mr. Obama has yet to make the symbolic gesture of writing a check for $2,300, the maximum allowable campaign donation, to help retire her debt of over $12 million.

    $$$ And this, from a “natural, gifted politician with infalliable instincts”??? (I made up this quote, to pull together all the leg-tingling descriptions of the “Alleged Presumed Nominee”). We’d expect nothing less from Senator Ombetterthanyou. A smart politician (hmmm, someone like….Hillary) would have made sure 5/31 wasn’t a complete farce, would not have poured salt on the wounds, and would have made a symbolic donation to retire their opponent’s debt.

    3. The question of how many of Mrs. Clinton’s former associates will end up working in Mr. Obama’s campaign is another source of tension. To date, there has been no large-scale effort to recruit Mrs. Clinton’s aides.

    $$$ Nor her supporters. We’re the “old guard”. There’ll be so many young people and progressives and AAs to replace the 30-ish% of 18,000,000 Hillary voters who will either stay home or vote for Mccain. Brazile promised it herself. Assume only 1/3 of the 30% flip to McCain…ooops, Donna, did you do the math? And did you ever take any lessons from Miss Manners?

    4. Part of this is because Mr. Obama’s campaign high command is already fully formed and because it is based in Chicago, meaning a relocation for most former Clinton workers. (Her headquarters was in suburban Washington.)

    $$$ Obama is forming his own sub-party within the Democratic Party. If he wins, he’ll form his own sub-government not accountable to the American people, the left-wing version of Bush.

    The hiring by Mr. Obama of Patti Solis Doyle, ousted as Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager in February, to run the operation of Mr. Obama’s running mate was seen by Clinton allies as a snub and a signal that Mrs. Clinton was not in contention for the No. 2 position on the ticket. Mr. Obama’s advisers said that was not the intended message.

    $$$ Solis-Doyle (or SoldUsOut-Doyle) is a mere puppet, meant to send a not-so-nice message to Hillary, “I won, ha ha, and to make sure you get the point, PSD will be the assistant to the Veep-Nominee….the same PSD you fired”. PSD will have zero pull with that Chicago Gang. Enjoy your bried stay. Have you figured out what to do after November, Patty?

  113. sotonightthatimightsee Says:
    How do I get a list of every Pennsylvania politician and SD that supported Barafraud Obama? I will blacklist these idiots and make sure they never get my vote!!!


    newwomensparty is working on such a list for many areas. Linda Starr started this with a post on

  114. Re real email addresses. I get emails from the HIllary campaign at my real address but haven’t got any there from BO yet.

    I did phone in and cuss at them and tell them to take me out of the records, maybe it worked!

    Maybe we could log in to our volunteer accounts at and do a ‘change of email’ to

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