Meet The Hypocrites

Obama supporters are all atwitter. Now they really hate Big Pink. Apparently Obama supporters and those wishing to ingratiate themselves to those incense burners are unhappy with our show of great restraint and politeness yesterday.

Yesterday, as we were ready to hit the “publish” button on our essential Rezko article (which we will publish on Monday barring some other unexpected news) the news of Tim Russert’s death hit the airwaves. We wrote a quick article with links to some of our previous writings regarding Russert. False tears for public show are not our style. A brutal assessment of Russert’s career and his destructive role in modern “journalism” would have been too impolite. A modicum of respect for Russert’s family, which we doubted was reading website postings anyway, demanded a restrained reaction. It was not appropriate to mention Russert’s wife, Maureen Orth, and her role in our political life either.

Our first thoughts were vivid speculations on poor Chris Matthews. Matthews, we knew, was in Rome. We imagined a cursing, rabid Matthews demanding airplane tickets back to 30 Rock to do battle for Russert’s job. What bad luck for Chris Matthews – to be in Rome when the job he always wanted had just opened up. We knew that soon David Gregory’s name would be dragged through the mud by aspirants to Russert’s throne. Not since the time of Rodrigo Borgia would so much effort be made to capture a throne.

Olberman too, we were sure, would squeeze out some tears on air in order to make himself a contender for Russert’s throne. Chuck Todd, David Shuster, contenders all and targets all. In days to come we will see the backstabbings at NBC and the entreaties to Jack Welch and Jeff Zucker flower.

The fight for Russert’s throne we knew would be particularly vicious. And have no doubt, it is a throne they are fighting for. The Big Media Party does not see itself as reporting the news, Big Media sees itself as shaping the news. Big Media considers itself The News. That is why we are witnessing an ostentatious wall-to-wall coverage on the airwaves of the death of someone most people barely knew or cared about.

The excuse for such wall-to-wall coverage of Tim Russert’s death is twofold. The first excuse comes from those that think he was a giant in the news business. The second excuse is that of familiarity – breakfast on Sunday with Tim.

Familiarity is a powerful lure. The great Soviet era writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn informs us that upon the news of Josef Stalin’s death, prisoners in the massive and far-reaching Gulag system of captivity actually wept. Those tortured and imprisoned for years, by Stalin, actually wept when “monkey eyes” died. For them, Joe Stalin was the only Soviet leader they had familiarity with, and they wept.

We understand the lure of familiarity. That sentiment is understandable. It also ties in with the familiarity we all have with death. The mourning of the family, the ritual calls to friends and relatives, the preparations for services before the earth reclaims its own. So we fully understand the need for restraint when discussing the death of someone many have “familiarity” with, of some limited kind.

However, there is already a deification regarding Russert taking place, which must be restrained too. Otherwise the full analysis of Russert’s career cannot be held back until it is more polite to do so.

Already, nonsense about modern “journalism” and Tim Russert is being spewed, and out of necessity, refuted. For example, there is this chunk of silliness from the ever silly Arriana Huff n’ Puff Post:

In an age of growing Political bias in cable and network news, Tim Russert filled a void that was becoming increasingly hollow. When we wake up tomorrow, and see a future without Russert’s candid pursuit of the truth, we may also see this: Be afraid, be very afraid. [snip]

When the Clinton Campaign launched their presidential ambitions in early 2007, they embraced a black & white brave new world, warning fellow Democrats “You’re either with us or against us.” It’s a mantra that might well be fitted for the majority of Americans in this millennium. You’re either left or right. Further explaining the rise of Independents, a group that cable news finds particularly hard to define, despite what Lou Dobbs thinks. Dobbs, who champions himself as a hard-nosed Independent, often comes off as one of the most opinionated talking heads on modern television.

Meet the Press is a show like none other. It will no doubt live on with a new host and a new life. But Russert’s shoes will be nearly impossible to fill. His questions were poignant and often surprising; pressing his guest to answer tough questions with answers they had not been able to prepare. No matter his guests’ political affiliation, he would pose a fearless question, and then remain emotionless when his guest fumbled the answer. He had a love for political journalism and he chose to enjoy the unpredictability of the process, rather than force it into any particular direction.

He will be sorely missed. Not just by his family, friends and fans… but also in the spirit of journalistic integrity. A term becoming looser in its definition as time goes on.

There is so much nonsense and garbage in that Huff n’ Puff piece that we will not bother to analyze it much. No mention there that it was Russert who sold the “gotcha” politics style of journalism and who turned political reporting into entertainment reporting. Well, we’ll let the commentors at Huff n’ Puff do the analysis:

Gerrylong:

My sympathy to Russert’s family, and I give him credit of many enviable virtues.

But a good journalist he was not. To lionize a person with that kind of power who interviewed key people, but threw softball at the heavies in the Bush Administration when they were lying us into the war, is not good journalism. Tim Russert was not objective, he was paving the way for his continued success on air by making those neocon liars look good.

Praise him for his great human virtues, but get off the “great journalist” spin.

RobinSeattle:

You also know Tim Russert stood idly by while Claire Shipman and Ashleigh Banfield were canned for not following the GE pro-Bush line. His was a profile in cowardice when Americans needed skeptical journalists to help stave off the signal tragedy of this era, the Iraq war. Instead, he was what you could call “in-bedded (no, I don’t mean “embedded”).”

He blew a gasket when Arianna called him out and appointed himself NBC’s political censor by having her appearances canceled in what he evidently felt was a case of lese majeste.

I wonder if Russert is so praised both as a social nicety and empathy for his sheer mediocrity. Because it is the mediocre who comprise the largest share of people anywhere, the media included. Just as George W. Bush was sold as the president you could have a beer with (an inane meme Russert was happy to parrot), Russert positioned himself as an amiable working class guy (albeit one who made millions and who sent his son to private schools) who wasn’t intellectually threatening. .Meet the Press was little different from other food fight political shows. It had all the intellectual integrity of Reader’s Digest, that most mediocre of packagers of literature.

Heika

I think that Tim Russert had a great deal of personal charm, but I don’t think he did much to inform the public. He did very well-informed and energetic “gotcha” journalism that left the public as unenlightened as ever, and while I am sorry for his family and sorry that he died, I’m kind of glad that people like RobinSeattle are around to say, Get a grip and be a little more realistic. I don’t see anyone saying that Russert, like the journalists at Knight Ridder was among the lone voices really investigating the reasons for the Iraq War. Sure, it’s important to say that Tim Russert was personally a loving father, husband and friend, who died way too early, but he still didn’t do his job as a journalist. If he had, I doubt Bush and McCain would be praising him right now, so I too would like to see the eulogies be a little less exalted in their description of his journalistic accomplishments.

Mack777

MSNBC is non-stop Tim Russert since yesterday. It is very bizarre. Making a corporation news guy into a hero . He was suppose to be giving us vital information that the rest of the world gets. But he sold out. God bless him and his family. I wish he could have been like Bill Moyers.

DLSteinhardt

It’s like the world’s gone mad.

Russert sounds like a helluva guy to have known in person, but as a journalist, he epitomized the insider who plays by his own rules.

To refer to him, as so many have since his death 20 hours ago, as the best political journalist of his age, is simply an insult to those who seek truth, rather than their own aggrandizement.

Tim Russert was, as an NPR commentator put it yesterday, today’s equivalent of the back-room boss. He reserved his harshest assessments for those who did not share his often faulty assumptions, not those who answered without integrity.

Russert’s questioning of Vice President Cheney was a particular disappointment.

As Josh Marshall at TPM made clear repeatedly, Tim Russert’s debate questions were a model of blowhard nonsense, foisting misinformation in the hopes of tripping up candidates who were unprepared to deal with made-up or distorted facts from the questioner.

Uselessboy:

Jeez, I hardly want to attack the guy on the day of his death, but people are making some very exaggerated praises of him.

In a country that includes Bill Moyers, calling anyone else “the Sole American Journalist” is ridiculous.

letsgetsmart:

I have to agree with many others regarding Tim. Many say that he was a giant among lessor news people and that may have been true to some extent. He was part of something that I grew up with. Lawrence Spivak, Walter Cronkite and Huntley & Brinkley. These are the ones who gave me my sense of what news should be. I have a hard time imagining Bush making the same headway with these people watching. It used to scare politicians to have to face Spivak and crew on Sunday mornings. Maybe they had better feet on the ground reporters. The CBS evening news with Cronkite, especially during Nam, had great reporters and the best was Dan Rather. Things have sure changed. During the run up to the Iraq invasion, I couldn’t believe my ears listening to Russert and the rest of the media’s top people. In my opinion they were all facilitators rather then questioners. Maybe if Russert would have had a program like Spivak with a panel to question guests, then maybe things would have been different. If Cheney and company scored well on Meet the press, it was kind of like a blessing and other news people backed off.

Plooger contributed this:

There was a time when “progressive” blogs took on the Big Media spin. Today, the DailyKooks and the MyDudds, and other PINO blogs want to deify Russert.

We won’t deify, we’ll remember what really happened. We remembered, with restraint, on Friday. And we will remember in NOvember too.

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  1. From previous article:

    rjk1957 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    What the hell is wrong with these republicans, just when things are looking pretty grim in Obamaland, Black republicans are thinking of voting for him. STOP drinking the water in DC it has been spiked!!

    Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
    &&&&&&&

    Let’s see how many are going to be crossing the aisle in what direction…

    Black conservatives, who may not like Obama’s policies, but want to vote for the first black candidate, are doing exactly what they say is “wrong with America”.

    “You shouldn’t vote for someone just because they are your color, your gender, your age. Research the candidates and vote based on merit”.

    Now let’s count all these “Black Conservatives”. How many of them are there in this country? 138?

    Now let’s count the legions who are outraged at the Democratic party, who see them as fixing the nomination, and disenfranchising 18 million voters. This includes the LIFEBLOOD of the Dem party: women, Latinos, middle/lower-class, GLBT, Asian Americans, union members, etc.

    In fact, I bet that the number of African American Democrats who cross over to vote for McCain will outnumber the Republican Obama crossovers, by like 10-1 margin. That’s not just Crazy Talk. Think how many conservative Repubs there are, versus the 10% of AA Dems who did not support Obama in the primaries. If half of that 10% are as angry as we are (and we’ve seen some of them express their feelings here on this web site), that’s easily more than the few black Republicans.

    We are angry enough at the Dems, who don’t represent us anymore, who aren’t willing to stick up for their principles or their constituents, that we are going to exact our revenge by doing some “remodeling” this November.

    “We remember what you did last summer”.

  2. why the hell -THEY after dobbs now ??

    oh yeah -he talked about baby mama,s barry boy .
    Why does everyone defend bambi -waffles like a 1 yr old boy playing with 12 yr olds .

    BTW- nice work on finding those comments -of bloggers

  3. admin,

    Obama’s ‘culture of corruption’ senator Kent Conrad …

    Per A.P.

    WASHINGTON – Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad said Saturday he is donating $10,500 to charity and refinancing his loan on an apartment building after reviewing documents showing he received special treatment from Countrywide Financial Corp.

    Conrad said it appears that Countrywide waived 1 point on his mortgage for a Bethany Beach, Del., vacation home. He said he would donate the equivalent amount of money to Habitat for Humanity.

    “Although I did not ask for or know that I was receiving a discount, and even though I was offered a competitive loan from another lender, I do not want to have received preferential treatment,” the North Dakota Democrat said in a statement.

    Conrad said it also appears he was given special treatment on a mortgage when he was financing the purchase of a Bismarck, N.D., apartment building from his brothers. He said he would refinance that loan with another lender.

    Conrad, who is also a member of the Senate Finance Committee, said he reviewed Countrywide e-mails described to him by the media after it was reported that he and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, got preferential treatment on their mortgages.

    Their involvement in a special program that awarded discounts and waived fees for “friends” of Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo was first reported by Conde Nast Portfolio magazine’s Web site.

    Conrad said Friday that he had placed a personal call to Mozilo in 2002 seeking a mortgage for the Delaware home. But he said Countrywide’s rates were competitive with another offer he received.

    “I called (Mozilo). I said, ‘I’m buying this property. Would you be interested in the mortgage?’ And he said, ‘Yeah. Call these people and we’ll take a look,'” Conrad said.

    “I did not think for one moment — and no one ever suggested to me — that I was getting preferential treatment,” Conrad said.

    Dodd, one of four Senate Democrats who pursued his party’s 2008 presidential nomination, has been a a leader of Congress’ efforts to help homeowners caught in the subprime mortgage meltdown and once called Countrywide’s practices “abusive.” Dodd also says he wasn’t aware he was getting a special deal.

    The disclosures come just days after similar revelations about former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson prompted Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, to ax Johnson from his vice presidential vetting team.

    Conrad said it was his friend Johnson who referred him to Mozilo, who reportedly instructed an employee to give Conrad a discount on his interest rate on a $1.07 million loan when he was refinancing the Delaware vacation home in 2004.

    Countrywide also made an exception in lending Conrad $96,000 in 2004 to buy an eight-unit apartment building in Bismarck from his brothers. The company had a policy of only providing loans for buildings of four units or fewer.

    “They said they frequently made exceptions, especially for good customers,” Conrad said.

    An internal e-mail from Mozilo, however, said the exception was “due to the fact that the borrower is a senator,” according to the Portfolio report.

    The magazine said other participants in the company’s VIP program included former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson, former Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala, and former U.N. ambassador and assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke.

    In a statement Friday, Countrywide did not address questions about the VIP program, citing customer privacy.

    Mozilo received compensation worth more than $22.1 million and cashed $121.5 million in stock options in 2007, while Countrywide posted a loss of over $700 million and saw its stock plummet 80 percent. The company agreed in January to be acquired by Bank of America Corp. for $4.1 billion in stock.

    Countrywide has come under fire for its lending practices, including providing mortgages with low initial “teaser” rates that balloon higher than borrowers can afford.

  4. Gawd .. Bambi takes advantage of the flooding my going into the place and “helping” fill up a sandbag.

    The man is clueless. He will do anything for a fricking vote.

  5. BTW .. the people at MSNBC seem to worship him as a boss .. but I’m not really getting that they respected him that much. Just saying that I think a lot of this is being forced upon them to do.

    It’ll be nice to watch the backstabbing going on next week. Olgerman and Tweety and Bitchell will have the knives out on each other….can’t wait.

  6. These SENATORS and POLITICIANS has been BARACKED!!!

    They knew they couldn’t pull this crap under a Hillary Clinton administration but good ol’ Corrupted CHICAGO POLITICS of buying votes comes back and bite thses HYPOCRITS again.

    DO YOU WANT 4 more years of OBAMANATION with the middle class getting the shaft again?

  7. okay admin,

    i read every bit of your post, every new comment i read, i had to
    shut my mouth, cause i wanted to say some nasty thing about
    russert, right along with them.
    but i wont…
    i can only say, there is nothing said that can be refuted.

    this comment admin, just had me tickled pink: ROFL

    ‘Our first thoughts were vivid speculations on poor Chris Matthews. Matthews, we knew, was in Rome. We imagined a cursing, rabid Matthews demanding airplane tickets back to 30 Rock to do battle for Russert’s job. What bad luck for Chris Matthews – to be in Rome when the job he always wanted had just opened up. We knew that soon David Gregory’s name would be dragged through the mud by aspirants to Russert’s throne. Not since the time of Rodrigo Borgia would so much effort be made to capture a throne. ‘

    SO TRUE…
    SO RIGHTEOUS…

  8. wouldn’t it be ironic if Hillary’s first event is Russerts funeral. Just watching some of the clips of Russert and you can see the “hate” in his face and his whole body language when he interviewed Hillary. Hillary was so brave to go there and I think it very proper for her to mention “toe to toe” in her remarks about Timmeh.

  9. Might anyone know what the count of SDs have been since Obama was illegitimately declared the “winner”?:

    1. Undeclared SDs finally caving in.
    2. HRC SDs who “switched brands”
    3. Those who are still undeclared, who are obviously not enthralled to jump on the Obama Train Wreck

    I loved the one guy who said “count me out” for consideration as a veep.

  10. HEY ADMIN,

    let me see, russert in rome, and mathews?
    what were they up to?

    wonder if they were having a bit too much fun huh?
    maybe it was one of those obama, edwards vacations we’ve
    heard so much about…

  11. maybe we should start a DAVID GREGORY campaign, to see if we
    can get him tims job.
    i mean, we dont want to just hand it to mathews do we?

  12. skmf12,

    We wrote that Matthews was in Rome when Russert died in New York. Perhaps you misread what we wrote.

    We do not engage in homophobia so in no way did we imply anything other than what we wrote.

  13. admin: good article. What a bunch of pompous jerks. They are so consumed with their own self-importance, while neglecting to do their jobs, in an honest fashion. I miss the days of Cronkite, Rather, Jennings, etc. The cable news stations, are more like tabloids, than true journalism. Oh, to be a fly on wall, behind the scenes. I wonder, how much back stabbing is going on? Everyone, will be vying for the job. I haven’t been watching the love fest. Reading the blogs is enough. I started reading some of the article, that you posted, written by his wife, but I barely got through the first page; what dribble and nonsense.

  14. admin,

    news had said russert had just returned from italy, is that wrong?

    oh not talking about russert and tim together, was talking
    about house of ill repute…
    a joke ofcourse…

  15. Prominent Democrats and Independents Join “Citizens for McCain”

    ARLINGTON, VA — U.S. Senator John McCain’s campaign today announced a group of prominent Democratic and unaffiliated leaders and activists who have joined “Citizens for McCain,” a new grassroots effort headed by Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to rally Americans of all political parties to support John McCain’s candidacy.

    “Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the presidential candidate who has a proven record of bipartisanship,” said Senator Joe Lieberman.

    As part of the campaign’s continued effort to build on growing support from voters joining “Citizens for McCain,” John McCain, along with RNC Victory Chair Carly Fiorina, will participate in a virtual town hall with Democrats and Independents today to discuss John McCain’s record of putting country before political party. Many town hall participants are expected to be former supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The town hall will be held today Saturday, June 14th at 3:30pm EDT. To participate, the general public should please visit cityhall.johnmccain.com. Members of the media should email press@mccain08hq.com to receive call-in information.

    PROMINENT DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS JOIN “CITIZENS FOR MCCAIN”

    Former Phoenix Mayor Paul Johnson (Arizona)
    Former Arizona State Legislator Phil Hubbard (Arizona)
    Mammoth Mayor Craig Williams (Arizona)
    Former Arizona LULAC Director Ray Gans (Arizona)
    Democratic 25th Precinct Chair Silverio “Silver” Salazar (Colorado)
    Adviser to Democratic Presidential Candidates and Georgetown University Professor Robert Lieber (District of Columbia)
    Blogger on HillaryClinton.com Renee Slater (Florida)
    Former Sheriff of Highlands County Howard Godwin (Florida)
    Jewish Outreach Adviser to Senator Hillary Clinton Rabbi Cheryl Jacobs
    Georgia Political Director for Gore-Lieberman ’00 Joseph O’Farrell Jr. (Georgia)
    Former Democratic Des Moines County Chair Bruce Shulte (Illinois)
    Former State Representative Brian Golden (Massachusetts)
    Commander of Newport Memorial-VFW Post 1119 Francis Harding, Jr. (Maine)
    Former Palmyra Budget Committee Member Herb Bates (Maine)
    Former Lt. Governor and State Supreme Court Justice Alexander “Sandy” Keith (Minnesota)
    Former U.S Representative and 2002 Independence Party gubernatorial candidate Tim Penny (Minnesota)
    Former State Representative Steve Wenzel (Minnesota)
    City Clerk Judi May (Mississippi)
    County Supervisor Gary Dearman (Mississippi)
    Alderman Bill Mosby (Mississippi)
    Former State Representative Jim Gamache (Missouri)
    Presiding Commissioner in New Madrid County, Clyde Hawes (Missouri)
    Former Concord Mayor Bill Veroneau (New Hampshire)
    Former Democratic Mayor of Waterford Township George Fallon (New J ersey)
    Former Democratic Committeeman in Warren Township Jeffrey Golkin (New Jersey)
    Former State Chair of Environmentalists for Clinton-Gore 1992 Roberta Weisbrod (New York)
    Former Majority Leader in the State Senate David Carlin (Rhode Island)
    Former Texas Democratic Party Chairman Roy Orr (Texas)
    Elected National Delegate for Senator Hillary Clinton Debra Bartoshevich (Wisconsin)
    Former Democratic gubernatorial candidate Philip Frye (West Virginia)

  16. ARLINGTON, VA — U.S. Senator John McCain’s campaign today announced a group of prominent Democratic and unaffiliated leaders and activists who have joined “Citizens for McCain,” a new grassroots effort headed by Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to rally Americans of all political parties to support John McCain’s candidacy.

  17. Real political journalism is becoming harder and harder to find these days, as nearly every so-called journalist pursues personal fame over their delivery of an accurate story. One place you certainly WON’T find real political journalism is on television. It’s nothing but a squawk-box, where political “research” means skimming a few big blogs and then “reporting” on some bogus campaign-trail controversy, instead of focusing on the issues that affect real voters.

  18. Obama’s Cousin Covertly Supports Al Qaeda

    Foreign Confidential….

    Two weeks before the seventh anniversary of the Al Qaeda attacks of September 11, 2001–the worst attacks on American soil in the nation’s history–the Democratic Party, barring a last-minute upset, will formally pick a Presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama II, whose Kenyan cousin covertly supports Al Qaeda.

    Raila Odinga, Kenya’s current prime minister and opposition leader made a huge fortune during his stint as energy minister by dealing with incredibly rich, Islamist-funding Saudis and Libya’s deranged dictator, the terrorist sponsor Muammar Khadaffy. More recently, Odinga promised his country’s Al Qaeda-associated Islamists that he would impose Islamic law on all Kenyans, and protect Islamists from arrest and deportation for jihadist activities. If Odinga comes to power in Kenya, the African nation will surely become another terrorist sponsoring state.

    Prediction: it’s probably only a matter of weeks before Obama attempts another “that’s not the man I knew” distancing act relative to his pro-Islamist relative, as in “not the Reverend Wright I knew,” “not the Father Pfleger I knew,” “not the Tony Rezko I knew,” “not the Bill Ayers I knew,” and so on and so forth.

  19. (Repost from last comment section):
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    Hey Kirk Wagar:

    “You [expletive] (you);” “You [expletive] (you)!”

    Ah, and Bambi is making metaphors about guns and knives just as his step brother tells the truth about Barack’s “Muslim background.”

    More grist for the mill.

    An look there: Barack’s peeps are looking to sock toys to try to call ‘racist!’ Who would have imagined that?

    Bravo to Mark Warner. Strickland, Bartoshevich, Ausman and now Warner. This is exactly what we need and all these heroes are coming through.

    *

    Texan4Hillary — 4 years under McCain won’t be perfect, but it will be a lot better than being under a lying, corrupt ‘gun’ guy. Many Americans like split governmental power and that is what a McCain presidency and a Democratic Congress will give us. If necessary, a Clinton can clean up after a McCain in 2012. 😉

    *

    I just want to say again that I read meiyingsu’s post wrong, and I was wrong to attack her about it. I made the mistake of reading what was written in her post incorrectly. I’m sorry, I messed up and I shouldn’t have said what I said to her nor should I have invoked Sonia’s name when discussing meiyingsu’s post.

    Kirk Wagar has already told me that “(I) [expletive] Hillaryis44.org” with what I wrote for those who want to know.

    Just like “Whitey” and the guy who’s step brother is exposing his Muslim past to the world, I broke it and so I gotta own it.

    I’m sorry, meiyingsu. And I’m sorry, Sonia. Also I’m sorry for giving other His44′ers the false impression of what meiyingsu had said. FilbertSF was correct, the post should have been easier for me to identify as being the copied words of the MyDD’er than it proved.

    It was my Bambi (mistake) and I hope you’ll forgive me for it. Sonia has to forgive me twice, if she so chooses, because I have accused her of being a plant before.

    I have made many mistakes, will make many more mistakes between now and Election Day. So long as our country doesn’t make the ultimate mistake of electing Bambi, I am more than ok with my own failures.

    *

    Regarding the black conservatives for Bambi article:

    If this becomes a ‘vote-by-race’ election, Bambi will be thrashed at the ballot box. So I don’t, personally, have any problem with Armstrong Williams saying what he’s saying. Let the working class whites catch wind of Bambi’s AA support creeping up past 92% and see how that works for the Bambians.

    It didn’t work well in places like OH, PA, IN, WV, KY or Puerto Rico. And that was just the primaries.

    Again, if you’re core support is 11% of the electorate, you are in trouble. If you get 9.5% of that 11% or 11% of that 11% doesn’t matter. Because when the other 89% sees what’s going on with the lockstepping and the disavowal of MLK’s principles of content of character vs color of skin, the 11% candidate is going to take a huge drubbing at the polls. See recent polling in the Carolinas and compare that with Bambi’s primaries there for a good reference point.

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    (end repost)
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    Great article, Admin. I forgot about Ariana Huffington’s mega-smackdown of Russert in her recent book.

    Ariana has, as myself, made tons of mistakes over the years but she definitely got her portrayal of Lil Rus correct.

    Scooter Libby used Tim Russert like the harlot Tim was. Judy Miller redux.

    Even the Orange Denizens knew this, as this article by No Quarter’s Susan Hu clearly shows:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/20/9387/8772

    Here is comment about 20 or so comments down from the top:

    Timmeh is a Power Tool (2.60 / 5)
    That is, a “tool” for those in “power.”

    — “SpermDonor”

    (Yeah, I know, I probably shouldn’t be citing someone who goes by the handle ‘SpermDonor,’ but you have to follow the truth where it goes ;))

    Yep, he is. He was a shill for hire, just like Judas Olbermann, just like all the rest of the MSM crew. Just like those bloggers who are turning-in their personal integrity for a shot at becoming part of the corrupt machine.

    As Admin’s link to Mo Orth’s garbage, Clinton-bashing, Vainty Fair article shows, the Russerts real concern was the Russerts and the extent to which the White House renters understood the need to genuflect to them and their Georgetown wannabe-elite brethren.

    I’m sorry Russert died. He was far too young. I sincerely send out condolences to his family. My own father died prematurely young of heart attack and so I can certainly relate.

    However, the facts are what they are:Tim Russert sucked as far as being an objective journalist was concerned; he was a ‘power tool;’ he and his wife did care about their dinner party circuit more than they did about you or Joe Six Pack.

    That’s the truth, the reality. Just because Lil Rus’ degree of journalistic suckatude might be slightly less than that of a true joke like Olbermann does not mean that we suddenly elevate him to Walter Cronkite status. And that includes in the immediate aftermath of his tragic passing.

    I haven’t, and won’t, watch one second of the Russert homages. I spoke with a friend and he told me that the coverage is like what the networks did for Pope John Paul II’s departure from this world. If that is true, it merely reinforces the intense narcissism of the MSM for itself. The only entity which comes close to this level of self-absorption is Hollywood with it’s “Damn, aren’t we great – now go see a movie!” annual circle jerks at the Oscars.

    And now the NBC Posse has another anchor-contestant competition to go along with it’s “Who can best kiss Barack’s ass?” race — “Who can most suck up to the NBC bosses in the hopes of taking Russert’s spot by lauding Lil Scooter Libby Rus and those in management who enabled him?”

    Sad stuff, America. This is a mirror up to our collective journalistic and pop culture face and the reflection isn’t Snow White, it’s Queen Grimhilde.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  20. If you want to know more about the Huffington-Russert feud, and Ariana’s crushing of the ‘thin-skinned’ Lil Rus, see here:

    http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/is-tim-russert-blackballing-arianna-at-nbc-during-her-book-tour/

    Here’s what you need to know. And remember, this is Ariana Huffington we’re talking about, far from a beacon of truth and light in journalistic circles:

    the respected Columbia Journalism Review just announced it will pick up HuffPo’s RussertWatch as a regular online feature.

    Yep, the highly-respected CJR was apparently picking up Huffington’s — Ariana FluffPo Huffington’s! — watchdog feature on Russert. That the CJR recognized that Russert needed to be watched and that they turned to Huffington, of all people, for that watching says all you need to know about Mo “I hate the Clintons” Orth’s hubby and his ‘journalistic integrity.’

    Your honor, the prosecution rests. And we don’t need to call either Big or Lil Rus to the stand.

  21. Are there any media representatives that have been 100% fair to Hillary and her family?

    I was asked this question earlier today and had a hard time answering.

  22. I just want to apologize for leaving out numerous articles (the “a,” “an” and “the” kind) in the last two posts. I believe either Tarzan, Tonto or Frankenstein had momentarily seized possession of my body, which reminds me of one of the better running skits in Saturday Night Live history:

    http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan,_Tonto,_and_Frankenstein‘s_Monster

    I tried to find a video of one of these skits but could not. Basically, all 3 characters never use any articles when speaking and each struggles with the language to varying degrees, from Tarzan’s subject/object pronouns reversal and lack of verb usage (“Me Tarzan”) to Frankenstein’s guttural moans.

    Sweet! I just found one of the skits on video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ubem25WyN8

    I miss Phil Hartman (Frankenstein). He was such an excellent comedian and human being.

  23. Carly Fiorina woos Clinton supporters for McCain

    By Jeff Mason
    Reuters
    Saturday, June 14, 2008; 8:38 PM

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Republican John McCain targeted disappointed supporters of Democrat Hillary Clinton on Saturday with high profile help from Carly Fiorina, an adviser and former Hewlett-Packard chief executive who has been called one of the most powerful women in the United States.

    McCain, an Arizona senator who has wrapped up his party’s White House nomination, makes no secret of his wish to attract women who backed New York Sen. Clinton’s presidential bid, regularly praising her and noting their work and travel together as members of the Senate.

    But the direct use of Fiorina, a top economic adviser and head of a Republican get-out-the-vote effort, reflects a belief by the McCain camp that they can secure a number of independent and Democratic Clinton supporters, some of whom say they will not back the presumptive nominee Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

    Speaking at a “virtual town hall meeting” that allowed for questions by telephone from listeners across the country, Fiorina empathized with the former first lady’s experience.

    “Having started as a secretary and eventually become a chief-executive officer, I not only have great admiration and respect for Hillary Clinton and her candidacy and her leadership, but I also have great empathy, I must tell you, for what she went through,” Fiorina said.

    “I also believe though, if we are striving for a gender-blind, color-blind society, that we really ought to be focused on the person that we think will make the right judgments, the right decisions and have the right positions.”

    That person is John McCain, she said.

    Fiorina has become an increasingly visible advocate for the Arizona senator, speaking publicly about his economic positions and ripping into Obama over tax policies and Iraq.

    “She usually tells me what to say,” McCain quipped about Fiorina on Saturday, after telling listeners he had come up with his “reform, prosperity and peace” theme on his own during an interview.

    GROWING VISIBILITY

    In a sign of her growing visibility, Obama singled her out on Saturday, accusing her of mischaracterizing his tax plans.

    “Carly Fiorina was on the television the other day saying Barack Obama will not cut taxes for anybody,” he said in Wayne, Pennsylvania, adding his proposals would give every middle class family a $1,000 tax cut.

    McCain went on to praise Clinton during his campaign event and promised to increase the number of women in government as president.

    “I have, time after time, urged my party look, we have a lot of women who are more than qualified, more than capable of governing this country,” he said, citing Fiorina, former eBay chief executive Meg Whitman, and former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor as role models.

    “At the end of my first term, you will see a dramatic increase of women in every part of the government of my administration,” he said to applause.

    McCain has shown some similarities with Clinton on the campaign trail. Both support lifting a tax on gasoline this summer, and have repudiated economists for panning it.

    Obama also panned it, and some observers said the proposal hurt the New York senator.

    But McCain was quick to point out political differences with Clinton, saying he thought the Supreme Court decision in “Roe vs Wade” on abortion was a bad one.

    Clinton has backed Obama and urged her supporters to do the same.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/14/AR2008061401963_pf.html

  24. I don’t particularly care about Carly Fiorina. She was a terrible CEO with huge ego.

    I hope McCain will pick up Sarah Palin, the governor from Alaska.

  25. On the other hand, using Carly Fiorina as a surrogate is a good strategy for camp McCain. Carly is stubborn, but also quite articulate. As a tough and smart high-profiled female surrogate, she can certainly arouse some interest among many of Hillary’s diehard women supporters.

    It’s kind of interesting to see bambi has to respond to Carly Fiorina’s charge by name. He must be worried.

  26. Hillary Clinton’s mention of RFK’s assassination was the final nail in the coffin of her candidacy. Along similar lines, can you imagine the howls of MSM outrage if John McCain were to suggest that he might “bring a gun” to his campaign against Barack Obama? Yet Obama has made just such a statement. Expect the media to . . . yawn.

    Said the Dem candidate at a Philly fundraiser on Friday night, anticipating Republican attacks:

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

  27. Barack Obama’s Little Problem with the Truth
    Barack Obama doesn’t like lobbyists (unless they remain undiscovered on his advisory committees).

    “I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists
    that their days of setting the agenda in
    Washington are over. I have done more than any
    other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists
    – and won. They have not funded my campaign,
    they will not get a job in my White House,
    and they will not drown out the voices of the
    American people when I am president.”
    — Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007

    This from The Sydney Morning Herald:

    “Top Obama aide forced to step aside

    John Broder and Leslie Wayne in Chicago
    June 13, 2008

    JAMES JOHNSON, the consummate Washington insider who Barack Obama tapped to head his vice-presidential search, has resigned abruptly to try to silence a growing furore over his business activities.

    His departure deprives Senator Obama of decades of experience and access to Washington’s power elite.

    Mr Johnson has been a fixture in political and legal circles for three decades, and he led the vice-presidential search team for Senator John Kerry, the Democrats’ presidential nominee in 2004.

    His resignation came after days of intense scrutiny from the news media and attacks from Senator John McCain and Republican Party officials over mortgages Mr Johnson, a former chief executive of the home mortgage financier Fannie Mae, received on favourable terms from the Countrywide Financial Corporation, the mortgage company that was a central player in the subprime lending crisis.”

    Whoops! Hey, who knew? Hint: Obama knew and dismissed this conflict of interest.
    Coming soon to a bus near you, “Throw Eric Holder Under the Bus.”

    From “The Toledo Blade:”

    We may see this pattern repeated soon. The more problematic appointment to his vice presidential search committee may be Eric Holder, deputy attorney general during the Clinton administration. Mr. Holder was a key figure in the last-minute pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich, whose ex-wife, Denise, was a major contributor to Clinton campaigns and to the Clinton library fund.

    Mr. Rich, who fled to Switzerland to avoid prosecution on 51 counts of tax fraud, was not eligible for a pardon under Justice Department guidelines. But Mr. Holder circumvented normal procedures and kept other Justice Department lawyers in the dark. A congressional committee described his conduct as “unconscionable.”
    Keep watching folks. The Obama express is slowly but surely destroying itself as the inevitable conflicts of interest, lies, and corruption inherent in his campaign begin to unravel and are revealed to the public.

    Obama is as corrupt as any politician coming from Chicago can be. He’s Daily’s man and he learned his politics on the South Side of Chicago…what else could you expect?

    Long Live Our American Republic!!!
    houstonconservative.com/2008/06/barack-obamas-little-problem-with-truth.html
    *****************************************************
    Like I said, Obama is going to be good for down line candidates??????

  28. Carbynew — Great article, thanks. I love the use of Carly Fiorina, who has reportedly been a big asset to McCain out on the campaign trail. She may not have been the world’s best CEO (I couldn’t really speak to that, don’t really know), but I think she can be very useful in this role by helping McCain rally the anti-Obama forces among the Clinton supporters, particularly women.

    Basil — Wow, it would seem that Khalid isn’t a big fan of “Whitey,” huh?

    This is the same NBPP that had a page on Barack’s site, right?

    Hmmm.

    All Hell is going to break loose when the GOP drops that Mish “Whitey” tape, methinks.

    The Bambians can forget about Mish’s going on “The View” to save Bambi’s bony ass, too. Because when that tape does drop — and I trust Larry Johnson on this one — Bambi, his knives, his guns and his candidacy is going to become “The Viewing,” as in the funeral, as The Bradley Effect becomes The Bambi Effect, writ in all caps.

  29. I was just watching a documentary produced by Christine Amanpour, thinking how superior her mind is to anyone on NBC right now.
    She is one of the brightest reporters on television, and if something were to happen to her, God forbid, there would hardly be a sentence about her anywhere.

  30. I always thought that Christihe Amanpour should had gotten the job that Katie C got.

    No disrepect to Katie, but Christine had really come thorugh hard core reporting experience, which Katie C. had not.

  31. Southern,

    About the italics. Do this, only using the greater than sign and the lesser than sign where I use square brackets in this example.

    [i] what you want in italics [/i]

    For others, these are on top of the comma key and and the period key.

  32. 😳 Khalid passed away in 2001 but the party forged ahead with Shabazz as the leader.

    Here is Larry Johnson’s explanation of the issue and info about the NBPP endorsing Obamerrhoid. (The endorsement was later taken off the website).

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/31/will-obama-deny-knowing-the-new-black-panthers/

  33. kostner Says:

    June 14th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    I kind of like Meg Whitman though. She’s a down-to-earth type of CEO who actually has goods

    I’ve heard, she is making a run for CA Gov., when Arnie’s term is up.

  34. At the end of LJ’s excellent article is a video cliup of Kamu Kandon advocationg the only ‘solution’ to the problem is exterminating white people.

    Here’s LJ’s final paragraph:
    ‘So what have we learned? Obama has ties to some fairly despicable people. Yes, they may be Americans but they consider their selves separate from the rest of us. In fact that is what their ultimate goal is. A common theme is Black separation. Black power. And White blame.And just what is the consequence of this separation movement? Do the words of the leader of the New Black Panther Party comfort us? Should we feel safe that this man’s words are merely that, just words? Should we adopt the belief system of Obama and just consider this guy Shabazz like a crazy uncle like Reverend Jeremiah Wright? Because otherwise we might be distancing ourselves from the entire black community?Or is this separation movement so organized that the thoughts coming from the person in the video below are becoming commonplace in “Black” America? And shouldn’t we be concerned?’

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/31/will-obama-deny-knowing-the-new-black-panthers/

  35. Gosh, this is crazy stuff, Obama held an internal debate over whether he should wear a helmet…

    Gosh help us!! This idiotic empty suit going to be the president of U.S.A???

    The post explores the many daily decisions Obamamessiah must make in order to appeal to Americans. In this post, “Obama’s quandary: Wear a helmet, look dumb or be a role model? we get to see what troubles Obama:

    More

    So, even though he’s a freshman senator and a rookie national campaigner, Sen. Barack Obama faced a quandary last weekend.

    Should he wear one of those stupid-looking bicycle helmets that legislators say we must wear but only look good on Tour de France racers? And get mocked? Or should he go without the hapless headgear and get criticized for defying the law? Who does he think he is? Above the rules that apply to everyone else? –Andrew Malcolm

    So the Man Who Would Be President who ”as a black man . . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station, agonizes over the wearing of a bike helmet.

    “I had an internal debate,” Obama admitted when a supporter thanked him for wearing a helmet. “Because I knew that the AP was going to take a picture, Democratic presidential nominee and Senator Barack Obama opted to wear the required bike-riding helmet last weekend even though he feared photographers would take pictures like this one in a dumb-looking helmet, and they were trying to portray it like Dukakis wearing that tank helmet.

    But I wanted to make sure that the children who saw that picture knew that even the Democratic nominee for president wears a helmet when he goes biking

    So we get to see an unedited look into the decision making process of the Man Who Would Be President and discover that even for something as trivial as wearing safety equipment while riding a bike requires substantial internal debate over how he looks to the public.

  36. Basil — Oh yeah, that guy. That footage is insane, almost like calling white governors or state representatives slave masters (Obama Guy Jimmy Meeks, I believe), blaming America for 9/11 5 days after the fact (Wright), fanning racial animosity using Hillary Clinton (Pfleger) or going off on “Whitey” (Mish).

    Chicago’s gutter-strewn, lowest-common-denominator politics at its ‘finest.’ And at the top of the landfill is Bambi, the guy who wrote in his first book about the effectiveness of race-baiting for black pols.

    See it here, in the ‘Government Reform’ section:

    http://www.ontheissues.org/dreams_from_my_father.htm

    The guy is such an outright fraud. Can you imagine having to manage such an albatross? The guy is not only a literal walking skeleton, he is a figurative one as well.

    Yeah, my guy was extolling the ability of race baiting in his book…that’s him (hangs head in shame)

    Can’t wait to be done with this embarrassing clown. Enough.

  37. Kostner — Are you serious?

    Ba ha ha ha!

    It’s all image, what a joke.

    This is what Barack looks like in a helmet (the background pic):

    http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal

    No wonder he’s afraid of being seen in a helmet.

    Whoever is manning the “Showtime at the Apollo” cane with which to yank performers off the stage, it’s time for Barack to go. He’s starting to sound akin to what I imagine Andrew Sullivan gets like in the make-up room before he appears on TV.

    Barack — you’re a goof, a clown. Whether or not you don a helmet won’t affect that peception. Obama Girl and Whitey will still love you, we promise.

    Ha ha. What a joke.

  38. Desperate actions by Obama campaign. It’s quite amusing to watch this guy believing all women care is about ovaries…

    Granholm: McCain not good for women
    Gordon Trowbridge / The Detroit News
    Seeking to block an effort by John McCain to draw support from Hillary Clinton supporters, Gov. Jennifer Granholm on Saturday called for women to unify behind Barack Obama and attacked McCain’s record on women’s issues and the economy.

    McCain’s outreach to Clinton-backing women “is an effort to mask his effort on the issues important to the women who supported (Clinton)”, said Granholm, who supported Clinton during her primary campaign against Obama.

    Granholm spoke to reporters on a conference call organized by the Obama campaign.

    McCain on Saturday was holding a “virtual town hall” teleconference with former Clinton supporters, other Democrats and independents, seeking to capitalize on divisions created by Democrats’ long and at times bitter primary campaign. The McCain campaign released a list of more than two dozen Democrats and independents it said were supporting McCain.

    Granholm singled out McCain’s record on abortion, calling him “in lockstep with the Bush administration with respect to appointments to the Supreme Court, with the anti-choice crowd on committing to overturn Roe versus Wade.” That’s the Supreme Court decision upholding the legality of abortion, a decision anti-abortion activists have long sought to overturn.

    Crystal Burton, a spokeswoman for the McCain campaign, said Granholm was mistaken to focus on abortion.

    “Women are not single issue voters,” she said. “The issues we hear about most from women are economic prosperity, national security and affordable, portable health care.”

    Another former Clinton supporter, Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, D-Fla., who also was on the call, said the “depth of Sen. McCain’s deceit when it comes to issues important to women can’t be overstated.”

    She pointed to McCain’s opposition to a minimum-wage increase, which she said especially benefited women, and his opposition to expansion of a federal children’s health insurance program.

    McCain aides have said the campaign believes it can attract the votes of independents and conservative Democrats in Michigan, particularly in areas such as Macomb County and in Northern Michigan. McCain strategists believe those voters could be won over by McCain’s moderate reputation and high personal approval ratings, as well as distrust of Obama and displeasure with the Michigan primary controversy.

    “No matter what Sen. McCain says when he comes here, the question is, what has he done for struggling families?” Granholm said.

    “Has he stood for working people, and has he stood apart from the Bush administration, which has offered no help whatsoever to the manufacturing industry in this country?”

  39. Granholm is a poor choice of surrogate for Obama. I really believe Obama will lose MI this year. Two people will do him in there, one is Granholm, the other one is the mayor of Detroit(can’t remember his name). Both are democrats, and both are extremely unpopular.

    It’s probably unfair to blame MI’s dismal economy on Granholm, but at least it tells voters changing a party in the white house will not magically change everything. It’s who is in the white house that matters, not just party.

    Where’s pelosi’s promise of bringing down the gas prices after she grabbed the power in 2006?

  40. Now why would Senator Conrad call a CEO of countrywide if he was not looking for special favors.

    Is Senator Connrad so stupid that he cannot walk into a mortgage company or call the local branch and talk with the mortgage specilist and make inquiries like the rest of us?

    Who does he think he is fooling?

    And now he is donating the money…instead of giving it back to the company?

    I think this donation of “illegal” funds by everyone is a scheme! they can get tax breaks etc…and who knows what the charities really spend it on!!!

  41. Any democrat, who is calling McCain deceitful, needs to look in the mirror. The entire DNC and party, have been, nothing, but deceitful, during this primary season. I do not believe one word, that comes out their mouths. They could say the sky was blue, and I would not believe them. There is nothing, that can make me vote for BO. He would be a disaster for this country. Look at all the damage and divisiveness that has already occurred, during the primary season. For God’s sake, he has an internal debate, whether or not, to wear a friggin’ bicycle helmet. Is this the guy, you want to answer the phone at 3 a.m.? NOT ME.

  42. birdgal,

    exactly. It’s so sad this is the American idol society we’re living in. Can you believe it? to debate whether to wear a friggin ‘bicycle helmet… It’s not even funny…

    I long held the view George W. Bush would be the worse president in U.S. history… If this Obama guy hoodwinks enough idiots in Nov, George’s ‘worst’ record will be broken in short order. At least, there’s no terrorist attack on American soil under W.’s watch. Under Bambi’s administration, on top of the poor economy, we’ll likely see even more divisiveness along ugly racial line. I fear for the future of U.S.A.

  43. Evening all….

    the question I ask is was Obama’s “internal debate” with HIMSLEF…or in fact, with an internal group of advisers? Either one is a possibility, but I can’t help thinking about Devo when I read this article….

  44. admin,

    I just checked Ed O’Reilly’s website, a few articles mentioned Hillary supporters showing their muscles helping O’Reilly on ballot… You should take a note and write it in the future.

    Per Boston Globe…

    Kerry’s O’Reilly factor
    FOR THE FIRST time in 24 years, Senator John Kerry faces a Democratic primary challenge. For that, he blames Hillary Clinton.

    more stories like this
    Dems send aid into traditionally GOP exurbs
    Gloucester lawyer to challenge Kerry
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    Kerry seeks to head off primary battle
    Make no mistake – gaffes have been around for generations
    Some of Clinton’s Massachusetts supporters are still displeased about Kerry’s decision to back Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign. To send him a message, some helped Gloucester lawyer Ed O’Reilly get 22.5 percent of the delegate vote at last Saturday’s Democratic Party convention, either by voting present or voting outright for Kerry’s opponent.

    “I ran Senator Clinton’s campaign in Massachusetts,” said Roger Lau, who is now Kerry’s reelection campaign manager. “I know how much intensity and passion motivated her enormous base of supporters. It’s no secret that the passion didn’t dissipate . . . Plenty of delegates who have been our friends a long time said openly that Senator Kerry had to answer for his endorsement, and they felt liberated to send a message because Kerry was going to win renomination so handily.”

    Lau said that O’Reilly wouldn’t have made the ballot “were it not for John Kerry’s early endorsement” of Obama. O’Reilly said support from unhappy Clinton supporters “was not a huge factor, but it had some bearing.”

  45. O’Reilly, who needed 15 percent to secure a spot on the primary ballot, might have grabbed an even higher percentage of the 2,574 ballots cast. But Kerry helped neutralize the threat by meeting with a small group of Clinton supporters the night before the state convention. The group included Deborah Goldberg, an activist and unsuccessful former candidate for lieutenant governor, Boston City Council president Maureen Feeney, and state Representatives Kay Khan and Liz Malia.

    The Bay State’s junior senator declined one of their requests, to publicly call upon Obama to consider Clinton as his running mate. But, according to one person at the meeting, Kerry told them, “I wouldn’t want to be the one to tell Barack Obama what to do. But he must absolutely consider her (Clinton).”

    Kerry complied with another request, that he praise Clinton and address the sexism issue. “As historic as this campaign has been, sadly it has also reminded us that sexism and racism are not yet defeated in America, ” he said in his convention speech.

    Kerry was not alone in backing Obama over Clinton. Senator Edward M. Kennedy and Governor Deval Patrick also endorsed the Illinois senator.

    But anger at Kennedy dissolved after he was recently diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. And Patrick’s endorsement of Obama is more easily accepted within the context of their longstanding political and personal relationship.

    O’Reilly’s challenge is more of a political embarrassment than a genuine threat. Still, the ability of a former firefighter and city councilor to earn a spot on the ballot against an incumbent US senator points to dissatisfaction beyond disaffected Clinton backers.

    A Kerry campaign official said that “definitely the Hillary Clinton factor” accounts for some of O’Reilly’s showing. But, the official, who did not want to be named, acknowledged that “some people, frankly, are not happy with John Kerry.”

    O’Reilly said that Clinton backers weren’t upset simply because Kerry endorsed another candidate, but because “he made the endorsement for his own political ambition. That’s where the anger comes from.” For that reason, O’Reilly believes he is tapping into a deeper frustration.

    Some O’Reilly supporters object to Kerry’s vote to authorize the US invasion of Iraq, which they also view as overtly political, when he was positioning himself for his own failed White House run. Some O’Reilly supporters are also critical of Kerry’s support for civil unions instead of gay marriage. But above all, said O’Reilly, “people want change.”

    It’s unlikely Massachusetts Democrats will oust a senator who has not had a primary opponent since 1984. But O’Reilly’s success speaks to Kerry’s somewhat awkward place in Massachusetts politics. Like all politicians, he has a cadre of loyalists who believe in him. But whether it’s because he always operated in Kennedy’s shadow and by comparison lacks a common touch and core set of principles, he is not beloved and often criticized.

    And now, by backing Obama over Clinton, Kerry faces an opponent. That’s not the kind of change he wants voters to believe in.

  46. Another one.
    Gritty Gloucester man puts Kerry to test

    O’Reilly is the perfect messenger for all those disappointed Hillaryites, especially the women who want to show Kerry just how angry they are that he accepted women’s work to elect him to four six-year terms, but abandoned the first woman with a serious shot for president.

    Indeed, the buzz at the convention was that Kerry’s poll numbers are almost as bad as they were last year when Suffolk University showed 56 percent of voters sampled statewide saying it’s “time for someone else.” Only 37 percent favored his re-election.

    Kerry’s trying hard to change that. At the state convention, he said, “With your help” Democrats could gain as many as seven Senate seats – enough to end GOP filibusters. And if Obama wins, Democrats could usher in “the first moment of progressive legislating since Lyndon Johnson was president.”

    But O’Reilly will be no pushover on Kerry’s way to a general election match with Republican Jeff Beatty.

    O’Reilly has had some life experiences that show he can handle himself in tight spots and won’t take abuse, even if it’s from his own bosses.

    “I was a new guard at the Norfolk House of Corrections and as our ‘training,’ they locked a few of us up in a jail cell; put us in lockdown for two days, very little food. They’d wake you up in the middle of the night, just mess with your mind.”

    And when they finally were released and taken to a mess hall, O’Reilly said, the food was so miserable that a TV reporter – “undercover as one of our trainee guards” – said, “I’m not gonna eat this slop.” When the regular guards rushed the reporter and tried to shoo the trainees out of the room, O’Reilly recalled, “I said, ‘Don’t anybody move. We’re all in this together.’ ” And for his protest, “I got hauled off to a padded cell.”

  47. he lacks a core set of principles…..

    imagine that….

    but here is the money quote; “I know how much intensity and passion motivated her enormous base of supporters.

  48. another one.

    Kerry gets slapped.

    That mini-controversy underscored the unavoidable tension of the convention, and in the state party: the ongoing sectarian tensions between the Clintonites and the Obamans. Kerry is a full-bore Obama loyalist, and most of the Democratic leaders and activists in Massachusetts — including Menino — are Clinton dead-enders. Interestingly, Hillary gave her big Barack-endorsing speech during the convention, so all but a small percentage who gathered around TVs on the concourse missed her call for unity. The same plea was made several times from the dais, most notably from Obama friend (or Clinton betrayer, depending on one’s viewpoint) Deval Patrick.

    It was hard to tell how much of O’Reilly’s vote came from Angry Clintonistas seeking to stick it to Kerry, but it was not an insignificant number. “I know a lot of women who will vote for O’Reilly today just to embarrass John Kerry,” one state rep told me. On the other hand, as city councilor Mike Ross pointed out, the Ward 5 Democratic Committee unanimously endorsed Kerry, and that’s a group with quite a few Clinton supporters, not to mention a bunch of super-lefties unhappy with Kerry over the war and his failure to support gay marriage.

  49. “that he praise Clinton and address the sexism issue. “As historic as this campaign has been, sadly it has also reminded us that sexism and racism are not yet defeated in America, ” he said in his convention speech”

    “The Bay State’s junior senator declined one of their requests, to publicly call upon Obama to consider Clinton as his running mate. But, according to one person at the meeting, Kerry told them, “I wouldn’t want to be the one to tell Barack Obama what to do. But he must absolutely consider her (Clinton).”

    I am sorry, but this is too little too late. He fraudulently endorsed an inferior candidate, and it sounds like he is making the motions, but like the NAFTA stuff, he called the Emperor and told him not to worry It also sounds like they told him exactly what HE COULD say.

    THIS GUY NEEDS TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

  50. I really want to see Kerry gone, not just because he’s backing Obama. Kerry is an embarrasing politician. He is everything I hate in a coventional politician.

    More…
    And while it might have been coincidence, Kerry sent up two die-hard Clinton supporters to introduce him: AG Martha Coakley, and Robert Kennedy Jr., standing in for Ted. (And by the way, O’Reilly really is a dead ringer for Joe K. when he’s making a speech.) Coakley also gave the introduction for another presentation, one that carried heavy Hillary-crowd undertones: the first graduating class of Emerge Massachusetts, a project by which the state’s powerful women — mostly the same ones leading the Clinton battle — are training up-and-coming women to run for political office. It’s pretty clear that battle lines have been drawn.

    In the end, despite intense pressure from party leaders and activists, O’Reilly got 22%, a number more than sufficient to force Kerry’s first primary in 24 years. Boston’s contingent held the line for Kerry with only a few defectors, but once you got out to suburbia the story was different: Newton and Wellesley, for instance — where you’ll find both anti-war liberals and pro-Hillary women in abundance — delegates went nearly 40% for the challenger.

    Kerry, with Teresa beside him, gave a brief presser outside for the couple of reporters (NECN and Channel 5) who were willing to pretend to care about the senator pretending to be happy with the results. Then they asked him about the Clinton-Obama rift. “People are going to come together,” he predicted.

  51. Jade, that video blows my mind, I can’t believe in this country at this time in our history, the DNC is allowed to overrule the will of the people!! It’s downright sickening. The Bilderburg Group wants a puppet and that puppet is Obama!! The AA’s that thinks they a voting for one their own will realize what they have done one day!! That’s if Bambi wins, which I doubt!

  52. Posted at TM:

    Reposting what I posted elsewhere on this site to give you the reason why many would be voting for McCain. It’s simply not a comparison of their positions – Obama would win everytime on social issues. There’s a danger here that’s real and scary:

    “I now see where our point of departure lies. Whereas most of you view these issues as a misunderstanding that can be talked over, I see it as a grave indication that the Democratic Party is near a tipping point where feminist and gay rights advocacies will be diminished and race-baiting will become a staple in the Primaries.

    Donna Brazile’s de-emphasis of traditional Democratic pillars says it all. The unapologetic race-baiting during the primary says it all. The unacknowledged misogyny during the primary says it all. The unapologetic guesting of a gay-bashing minister in Obama’s political rally says it all. The ungracious Obama victory says it all.

    “Misogyny, gay-bashing and race-baiting works” That’s the message that we are sending out to future Democrats if Obama wins the elections. After all, gays, women and liberals will always be in the tank for the Democrats. They need only be marginally better than the Republicans and tradition will hold a lot of them to the Democratic Party. It’s not “cool” to champion feminism and gay rights – says the young, urban voters. These issues are so much “downers”. Hope, Change, and heavy rhetoric is the key – not the issues.

    I fear for what the Democratic Party will become if Obama wins. It would be a party only marginally better than the Republicans and it will be infinitely bad for feminist ideals and gay rights. They’ve already indicated their future stance on these things by their actions. Gays and women should be willing to sacrifice this election so that the Democratic Party will remain a champion for these issues. Fail now and the consequences for the future will be dire.

    If you think McCain is a danger to “Roe v Wade”, then this is a much insidious and ultimately more devastating danger. “Roe v Wade” will not fall with a bold attack on Supreme Court Appointments. It will take decades to undo the entangled legal precedence that stems from “Roe v Wade” even if a determined group of SC justices were to force a turnaround of this landmark decision. What will ultimately doom “Roe v Wade” is a Democratic Pary that is lukewarm to feminist issues. An Obama win this November would be a step in the very dangerous direction.”

  53. Jade, that video blows my mind, I can’t believe in this country at this time in our history, the DNC is allowed to overrule the will of the people!! It’s downright sickening. The Bilderburg Group wants a puppet and that puppet is Obama!! The AA’s that thinks they a voting for one their own will realize what they have done one day!! That’s if Bambi wins, which I doubt!
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    Confloyd
    That video brought tears to my eyes. Being in the 10% AA that supported Hillary, I have been disgusted with the DNC since they robbed Hillary of the nomination. I can only hope that she and Bill and her campaign managers are getting a plan together because I can’t and WILL NOT support Barack’O and really don’t know if I can support McCain either.

  54. kostner Says:
    “Granholm is a poor choice of surrogate for Obama. I really believe Obama will lose MI this year. Two people will do him in there, one is Granholm, the other one is the mayor of Detroit(can’t remember his name). Both are democrats, and both are extremely unpopular.”
    ************
    The mayor of Detroit is Kwame Kilpatrick. He’s been caught up in a major scandal these past few months. There was a story in today’s newspaper about how Obama is visiting Detroit sometime soon and Kwame will not be present because he doesn’t want to be a distraction or whatever. The article made it sound as if this was Kwame’s decision, but I suspect Obama told him to stay away or else.

    I don’t think Kwame can do Obama in, though. Detroiters will vote for Waffles because he’s black. Some whites might not vote for Bambi if they perceive him as being too close to Kwame, though. Also, Detroit has its own Jeremiah Wrights and the white folks in this area have a deep aversion to that type of black nationalist rhetoric. McCain or the Repub 527s would be wise to air a Rev. Wright ad in the weeks leading up to the GE.

    Jennifer Granholm seems like a nice lady, but she hasn’t been an effective leader. I can’t see her swaying the GE voters one way or the other. The AAs will vote for Obama, as will the latte liberals in Ann Arbor. The rich people in northern Oakland County will go Repub, because that’s what rich people are supposed to do. The Reagan Dems in the poorer white suburbs will vote for McCain or else they won’t vote at all. The people “outstate” (i.e. outside of the Detroit area) generally vote Republican. The only way Obummer can win MI is if there’s a HUGE AA turnout and the whites stay home. McCain has to work to win MI and it will involve playing dirty politics, but he can pull it off.

    Hillary, of course, would be able to win MI easily for the same reasons why she won Ohio and Pennsylvania.

  55. Jade, I know what you mean, I too am having problems trying to vote McCain or any (republican), but I tell myself its not a vote for a specific republican, it will be an anti-Obama, anti-Democratic vote. Somehow I think I might be able to do that. I not only plan to vote for McCain, but every down ticket republican. If we all do this it will show the DNC and the rest of the Demcratic candidates that endorsed Obama, never, ever, go against the will of the people!! That’s what I am telling myself everyday and I don’t keep up with McCain’s campaign either!!

  56. This is from a republican site but I agree with it:
    *****************************************************
    As independent branch, Congress withers away
    By Mickey Edwards, Special to the Los Angeles Times

    Published Friday, June 13, 2008 12:35 AM

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    The central feature of American government, the one that made the United States “exceptional” and preserved our freedoms for more than 200 years, is in the process of being destroyed. The enemy is not in Iraq or the hills of Pakistan but in Washington and in cities and towns throughout the United States.

    America’s founders, it turns out, were not as smart as we thought. They assumed that if they put most of the nation’s real powers — over war, taxes and spending — in the hands of the people themselves, through their representatives, those representatives would do their duty and prevent an American president from acting as though he were king.

    Congress was not to be a copy of the British Parliament but its exact opposite: Whereas Parliament is essentially an extension of the executive and members need not have any connection to the “constituencies” they allegedly represent, the American system requires members of Congress to come from the states they represent and to serve as a check on — not enabler of — the president.

    It’s a simple concept, but one apparently hard for members of Congress to grasp.

    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., was quoted recently bemoaning the fact that legislators were going to have to fend for themselves in November’s elections.

    “You are going to run on who you are and establish some independence,” he told the New York Times, “and that is going to be tougher for some than others.”

    Having served in Congress myself, I feel sad for those members who are going to find it tough to run as who they are and “establish some independence,” but I had assumed that was precisely what they were supposed to do.

    The opposite, of course, would be to pretend to be someone other than who one really is, or to have no convictions other than to obey somebody else’s directives (presumably those of the president or party leaders). Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has a similar confusion. Interviewed on National Public Radio, she said part of her job as House speaker was to ensure that there would be a Democratic majority in the next Congress. That, of course, is likely to happen regardless of what she does, but that is actually the job of the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; Pelosi’s job is to legislate and to see to it that the House fulfills its constitutional duties as a separate, independent and equal branch of the government.

    Tom Cole, the Oklahoma congressman who is chairman of the Republican campaign committee in the House, inherited a mess, including a deeply unpopular president and a host of GOP incumbents heading for the hills, and has been unfairly blamed for the party’s losses in this year’s special elections (full disclosure: He is a friend who once worked on my staff).

    But even Cole, who is one of the smartest members of Congress, sometimes loses sight of what it means to be a member of the legislative branch. Asked about the desirability of distancing oneself from George W. Bush, Cole told the Washington Post that “it’s not for me to second-guess the president of the United States.”

    Yes, it is. That is precisely the constitutional obligation of a member of Congress: to second-guess, challenge and, when necessary, serve as a check on a president.

    In November, voters will elect every member of the House and one-third of the Senate. In January, each successful candidate will take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Perhaps it would be good for each of them to get a crash course in exactly what that means.

    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article622159.ece

  57. Jade i am an AA i have no problem voting for McCain. I plan to vote against every democrat in Ohio that endorsed O. After what they put Hillary through it is not hard

  58. Kostner — Great stuff. Thanks so much for rounding all that up.

    What Kerry, Madae (sp? The MA woman who got bounced for backing Bambi), Granholm and the rest are finding out is that we Clinton supporters and those who put the party above the elites and cults of personality are very serious, we’re highly motivated and we are 100% committed to reclaiming our party from the Obama/Brazile/Axelrod race-baiting, totalitarian minority of our numbers which is infecting the organization and threatens to destroy it in a blaze of Al Capone-esque gunfire (you bring the guns, Bambi).

    I was in contact with the McCain camp tonight praising them for their efforts with Carly Fionna (sp?). Granholm’s panic only reinforces the notion that McCain IS shoring-up various Clinton factions, among them women and Jews.

    The Bambites are beginning to realize what we told them: If you go rogue on the majority of the party by overturning the will of the primary electorate, especially for a stunt candidate, you will be held to account and we won’t forget or forgive until the party is restored.

    Madae (sp) was the first. Kerry is up now. The rest of the poison-spewing Judases such as Clyburn, Brazile and Pelosi will have their turns, too. If you call yourself the Democratic Party yet decide to become oligarchic or non-majoritarian, expect this to happen. I’m thrilled with how our organization and efforts are coming together during these early stages. Strickland, Warner, the OK rep, the WI delegate, etc. are all doing yeoman’s work in scattering the Obaman Fascists and they all need and deserve thanks and support.

    Bambi, his Communist mentor(s), his terrorist friends and supporters, “Whitey,” and the rest of the coupists are on the run. And the panic of a Granholm makes that reality much clearer (as does the bike helmet ‘debate’ – LOL!). These Judases are starting to understand that when the lights go down on the CNN & MSNBC production trucks, there are 18 million people who formed the majority of the primary electorate who are seriously pissed-off and who are not going to take it anymore.

    Hear, hear! Let us rout Hussein and his infidel invaders and ensure that our progeny never has to endure the garbage which we, Hillary and the party has had to face during this, the most embarrassing Democratic election season most can remember.

    Long live MLK, and short live the race-baiters who dare to invoke that man’s name for their unjust coup and illegitimate coup. MLK would be sickened by what Brazile, Bambi and Clyburn have done with the party.

    Don’t worry, Dr. King. We’ve got your back on this one. I told GodBrazila as much when I wrote her and said she had embarrassed your legacy.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  59. There’s another very important thing that the pro-obama crowd do not even seem to remotely understand: character.

    That Hillary Clinton and John McCain are not perfect is true, but they do have a moral compass that is at least steadily points to the north. Their love of this country is deep and their actions for it’s betterment long. The Obama supporters, including Dean and Brazile and co., seem to have an anger and an ire and a sense of America has a horrible place that can only be healed by their radical stop-at-nothing desire for POWER.

    That those in the Black community are proud at the long-awaited and well-deserved OPPORTUNITY for another Black to hold the highest office in the land is understandable. That they back him, even moreso. But what is disturbing is that this opportunity, brought on by so much depression of the opportunity BEFORE now, is seemingly used as “pay-back” rather than sound judgment of the character of the man they endorse. And it seems too that those like Dean and Kerry are so eager to be seen as hip and cool (progressive?) on the OUTSIDE when their entire focus is to gain POWER for themselves and those who also feel there is something WRONG with the core values of this nation.
    Hillary Clinton is a populist, or, at least discovered she is when she was faced with this gang. McCain. while not a populist in his outward (and historic) stance, IS a patriot, and with thatt comes a knowledge that there IS something deeper than self and a commitment to move the country in a “good” direction.

    The Obama’s call for everyone to do social service work instead of taking the “money jobs” like she and Barack and DOCTOR Dean and life-senators Kerry and Kennedy have is just elitism gone wild. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton telling people to not strive to be the best they can be and work for what is important to THEM?

    That we have to have our food and our cars and our reading material (Chicago DNC staff will now ‘have’ to read the Chicago papers not that nasty NYT or WaPo) and our thermostats controlled by the Obama on our Shoulder is an insult to the American spirit. And, to the American Character. That the DNC leadership is so much more concerned with what THEY get than with what the people are capable of shows a lack of the moral compass and character that is THEIR philosophy and THEIR view of this great nation.

    YEs, it is true, that our leaders, in high government offices and in business have not always made sound judgments nor set the sails in the right direction, but MOST had a deeply seated compass that showed them how to correct their course in time. If their own personal compass was out of whack, the collective one of the nation was always there to wright the ship and set her back on the path to destiny. But what we have seen in this election is magnets being set up all around the ship, making the compass useless and direction being dictated not by dead-reckoning but by believing that the compass was a useless tool from the start. That the path to destiny should be in the hands of those who have lost their bid for captain, collectively and repeatedly, and with the passengers all being assigned to sit in steerage and eat their boxed lunch, never being afforded the opportunity to learn to be the captain.

    Barack Obama and the “leadership” of the DNC, of which he now claims the mantle, have no compass. They have no direction other than to the Captain’s chair and no course but that of power. They have no humility and they have no loyalty.

    Hillary Clinton and John McCain are seen as holders of that damnable thing called a compass, and for that, they must be made to walk the plank, for with one in hand, and imbedded in their character, they may just set the ship on course, and the people would have to actually come out and man the oars.

  60. As of right now, Obama still is not officially the Democratic nominee. Since the door is technically still open for Hillary, I don’t plan to campaign for McCain or give him $$$ at this point, although I’ll support him from August through November if Waffles is the nominee.

    I still plan to punish certain downticket Dems even if Hillary does somehow manage to secure the nomination. I even plan to vote against Carl Levin because he supported the Michigan compromise that stole votes and delegates away from Hillary and gave them to Bambino. I ALWAYS used to vote for Carl Levin, but not this time around unless he does something to redeem himself.

  61. someone (Rickya?) said at TM:
    “Roe v Wade” will not fall with a bold attack on Supreme Court Appointments. It will take decades to undo the entangled legal precedence that stems from “Roe v Wade” even if a determined group of SC justices were to force a turnaround of this landmark decision. What will ultimately doom “Roe v Wade” is a Democratic Pary that is lukewarm to feminist issues. An Obama win this November would be a step in the very dangerous direction.”

    Right! I’m glad a lot of womens’ instinct on this issue has been to say

    FUCK
    ROE!

    Yes, I’m on the far side of AUMF:
    Authorization for Use of Menopausal Force.

    But really, Bill Clinton said in the 90s and Hillary recently repeated, “Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.”

    Fifty years after “The Pill” was invented, why are women (other than crime victims) still HAVING unwanted pregnancies? Why don’t we have contraceptives that are acceptable, without side effects? Why not better, reversible, tube tying and vasectomy, or long-term vaccinations and/or something for MEN?

    Hillary did something: she got the ‘Plan B’ pill approved.

    Sorry I’m rambling in white space here, but Rickya hit the right perspective. With the right attitudes throughout the party, we’d have better contraception and better sex education etc etc so abortions COULD be rare.

  62. paul,

    we should not forget other factions, that need a re-reminding
    about things that obama said about them.
    such as garlic nose, and that he didnt need latinos.
    we need to make sure other ethnic groups remember what
    pissed them off, every single day till den.

    that tape that was posted about killing whitey, needs to go
    fox and mainstream in a real big way…

  63. I would love to see John Kerry out of office. After Bill Clinton got out of his sick bed to campaign for him.
    If possible i will try to go to Mass to help O’Reilly

  64. Paul F. Villarreal ,

    I hope McCain will round up more capable female surrogates to make his case for Hillarydems. I still hold slim hope for Hillary. If bambi tanks dramatically, the democratic party may have no choice but to ask Hillary to save their ass. In order for this scenario to happen is for mccain to do extraordinarily well in the next couple of weeks.

  65. confloyd Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
    Jade, I know what you mean, I too am having problems trying to vote McCain or any (republican), but I tell myself its not a vote for a specific republican, it will be an anti-Obama, anti-Democratic vote.
    =======================================

    Would it help to look at it this way? McCain is probably going to win regardless of what we Hillaristas do. (Check the polls in your state in October to be sure). So all we’re doing is making it a BIGGER win! We’re making Obama the McGovern of 2008. We’re showing that even long-term Democrats won’t vote for Obama.

    We’re trying to amass so MANY extra votes against Obama, that nobody will dare to run him again in 2012. This will leave the nomination open for a REAL Democrat (preferably Hillary).

  66. kostner said : “In order for this scenario to happen is for mccain to do extraordinarily well in the next couple of weeks.”

    i offer the following: Or, for Obama to do extraordinarily bad

  67. 1950democrat,

    The ‘Roe vs. Wade’ card is just a silly stunt. Any self-respecting women should not fall for this as they should never be blackmailed by the democratic party. ‘Roe vs. Wade’ hasn’t been overturned under the most conservative and despicable Bush administration, and it won’t happen under a mccain administration. I simply don’t believe mccain is not fond of social conservatism & conservative voters at all . I have a feeling if hillarydems can gurantee him a victory, he’ll sell out conservative voters in a heartbeat. mccain’s true passion is national security. btw, even if he wants to appoint a conservative judge, there’s ZERO chance that judge can come to a vote in a ‘fillibuster proof’ senate(in Kerry’s words)dominated by democrats in Nov.

    Also to those young, female Obamabots, if they really loathe the pioneer woman presidential candidate this much, how about let their messiah fight for their rights to choose if ‘Roe vs. Wade’ gets overturned?

  68. actually mccain is doing very well-after 8 yrs of bush mccain is tied with bambi nationally. 65pct say he is a strong leader-only 30pct for obama. there folks is the election. if mccain is seen as strong and decisive in the times e are in then bye obama for potus. mccain is trusted on every issue in the polls right now. hillary said he is the strongest repub the gop has to put up. the democratic party-born to lose.

  69. I am off too bed gang. I have an EIGHT O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING appointment on a SUNDAY! Good grief…I offered to be there at 10am (still early on a Sunday) but the client insisted on 8….

    good grief.

    guess I should not complain….

    have a festive evening and happy Father’s Day to all of you dads out there….

  70. neetabug,

    don’t put too much stock in this O’reilly guy. I checked his profile, it looks to me he’s another dailykooks type of craze.

    Well, I don’t really care though, if it’s a pig vs. Kerry, I’ll put the lever for the Pig. I’m just saying there’s no need to really believe that guy O’reilly.

  71. Norma Desmond Says:
    “i offer the following: Or, for Obama to do extraordinarily bad”

    The $50 million question is how much extraordinary badness will it take before Bambino is out on his ass?

  72. kostner Says:

    June 15th, 2008 at 12:44 am
    neetabug,

    don’t put too much stock in this O’reilly guy. I checked his profile, it looks to me he’s another dailykooks type of craze.

    Well, I don’t really care though, if it’s a pig vs. Kerry, I’ll put the lever for the Pig. I’m just saying there’s no need to really believe that guy O’reilly.

    I just want Kerry GONE

  73. LOL Jen!

    It seems like we should have reached that limit BY NOW with all his crazy ass shit….

    but it can only get MORE…..i mean, the stuff that is there, kinda like the Florida votes, whether you count it or not…it HAPPENED. It is REAL. Even if someone says “those weren’t the voters I knew…who would have believed they would actually come out and VOTE”

    on that note, off to bed.

  74. CarbyNew: Great article. Pelosi is one of the major villains to come out of this election cycle. She dismissed the sexism against Hillary and chose her Queen Bee-ship over justice and the popular will.

    No one is going to forget that or Pelosi’s white-flag-waving, 16%-approval-having Congress. Her time of accounting is coming.

    Jen: Kwame & Kwame’s Mommy are complete jokes. Ms. “Yall’z boy” is the freaking head of this Congress’s Congressional Black Congress, for God’s sakes! If that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know about the state of the party’s ‘leadership,’ nothing will.

    I and many others have been incredibly disappointed with so many AA pols this year. Brazile, Clyburn, Wilder, Kilpatrick, Obama, Jackson, Jr….These individuals — and so, so many more, sadly — have shamed themselves, their constituents and the party as they engaged, wantonly, in George Wallace-type racebating. The damage they have done to race relations in the party and America generally is going to take a long time to clean up, well beyond Bambi’s defeat in November and beyond. And that is incredibly wrong.

    That this faction of party hacks, of all factions, could go 1 halves on FL and MI (when it counted; I don’t care if anything is reversed now as it is totally meaningless) after the history of 3/5ths in this country is one of the most disgraceful, repugnant spectacles that I have ever personally witnessed. It’s like a disaffected frat boy making sure that the pledge he is hazing gets treated even worse than he did. Unconscionable.

    What has happened, sadly, as a result of the incessant race-baiting is that there has been a kind of “OJ jury nullification” phenomenon among the AA electorate. Many AA’s know BHO is a fraud, a guy who will sell-out Wright and Trinity, and a poser, but they don’t care. It’s all about the skin color. And that is as wrong in 2008 as it was wrong for the memories of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and Justice when Orenthal walked.

    The pressure on people like John Lewis, CarbyNew, Jade and so many others is unbelievably high. You can feel it. It must feel like what normal, apprehensive citizens in Germany felt when Hitler began his rise to power and his BrownShirts were ‘persuading’ people to join Der Fuhrer’s cause.

    So a special shout-out to our African-American brothers and sisters both here and beyond who have refused to sell-out to the putrid Obama Kool-Aid. These people are heroes, as Greg Williams in my Obama Cult video is a hero. They are demonstrating what real courage looks like under fire and we all are benefiting from that strength.

    Guys and gals: Thank you. You are inspiring and we very much need and appreciate all of your hard work and sacrifice.

    You refuse to be a liar like Donna “I quit if the SD’s decide this” Brazile; you won’t be part of the race-bait posse led by Wilder and Clyburn. You, like Sheila Jackson-Lee, Bob Johsnon and numerous others, refuse to cede your principles for a fraud like Obama.

    *

    McCain will not have the power to overturn Roe even if he wanted to do so. That is not an issue. It’s not an issue for a couple of reasons but the chief among them is that the Dem-led Senate will be able to block anyone Mac will appoint. Don’t be fooled by the ovary-baiting of the Obama Clown Posse. They got nothing, and they know it.

    McCain is not a perfect figure, but he is about as far from the ‘typical Republican’ mold as you can have. He is a war hero who gave 7 years of his life to the Hanoi Hilton and he loves this country. He is not going to meet unconditionally with terrorist sponsors. Hamas does not want him to win. He is not a former Muslim. He did not have longstanding (or any, as far as I know) Communist mentors. He has not written about the political benefits of race-baiting for black politicians (again, as far as I know). He is an adult. He and his supporters are not fascists who have started the Borg assimilation process on their party by relocating the national party HQ to the most corrupt city in the nation.

    Voting for McCain will be one of the easiest votes I will ever cast. I trust John McCain, feel safe with John McCain.

    Bambi scares the crap out of me and the only thing that will make me feel safe as regards him is when he is defeated. He is a menace, a danger. He is The Manchurian Candidate.

    Bambi is not a Democrat, he is a cult Leader. There is a huge difference and I will never — ever — vote for him or anyone close to him, period. No discussion, no debate, nothing. I have seen more than enough of this snake oil salesman Pinocchio and the sooner the party’s system is flushed of him and his corrupt, inept ilk, the better.

  75. Roe VS Wade arguement has NO CREDIBILTY because the party that suppose to FIGHT for WOMEN RIGHTS abandon it’s principles and THREW Women and Equal RIGHTS under the BUS to select the Party Leaders President.

    Not the People but those in power to oversee our rights that took decades of battles to come to agreements that all groups could feel save that their voices were heard and acted on.

    But now with this bunch of MORALLY BANKRUPTED Politicans who want to play social scientists on the back of ALL of us…need a reminder who really in charge and it’s the voters WHO are NOT a BUNCH OF SHEEPS who like being herded into the pens for slaughter.

    OBAMBI is LOSING because of his lying character and his CORRUPTED CHICAGO MACHINE POLITICS and for the POWER HUNGRY “CULT OF PERSONALITY” ANTI-AMERICAN RADICAL that he is.

  76. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) Says:

    The pressure on people like John Lewis, CarbyNew, Jade and so many others is unbelievably high. You can feel it. It must feel like what normal, apprehensive citizens in Germany felt when Hitler began his rise to power and his BrownShirts were ‘persuading’ people to join Der Fuhrer’s cause.

    So a special shout-out to our African-American brothers and sisters both here and beyond who have refused to sell-out to the putrid Obama Kool-Aid. These people are heroes, as Greg Williams in my Obama Cult video is a hero. They are demonstrating what real courage looks like under fire and we all are benefiting from that strength.

    ————————————————-

    i wholeheartedly agree.

    A real courageous/pioneering political leader is his/her ability to break the ugly stereotype of his/her own comfort but narrow constituency.

    Obama and Pelosi are the worst kind of representatives of ‘minority’ politicians… Both have reinforced some stereotypical impression of AA and women voting bloc.

  77. Norma — Great post. Thanks for that.

    As Norma said, the best thing for Hillary is for Obama to tank-out during the next few months. This is an ‘indirect help’ kind of thing. The less palatable and electable Obama is correctly seen as being, the more readily the move back to HRC can be.

    I have not given up on HRC at all, and won’t. And the party coupists are scared to death about HRC and her majority of supporters, which is why they’re going Stepford Wives on people like the WI Clinton delegate.

    As Bambi is denuded by himself, us and the GOP in the next few months, there will still be that popular vote winning option on standby. These things can take care of themselves. All we need to do is to keep Skeletor occupied and squarely on the defensive as he is and has been.

    Skmf12 — You are absolutely correct. We need to make sure that the “Garlic noses” and all other smeared groups who have been victimized by Bambi and his flock are very consistently reminded of the slights against them. That is key.

    I agree with Texan4Hillary, given all the variables, McCain is in an excellent spot. He is where he needs to be right now. He and we just need to keep working to destroy Bambi’s false image. This is the crux of defeating Bambi. He is nothing but one giant media campaign hoax and the more we can put the lie to that hoax the farther and faster he will fall. And the Bambians know it, which is why you see earnest ‘debate’ about things like bike helmets.

    Ok, I’m going to head out for now. Have a great night, everybody.

    PFV
    VillarrealSports.com

    🙂

  78. Just found this on no quarter…. LOL…

    O = Opressive
    B = Bully
    A = Arrogant
    M = Misogynist
    A = Absence of values, integrity & morals

  79. “The Bay State’s junior senator declined one of their requests, to publicly call upon Obama to consider Clinton as his running mate. But, according to one person at the meeting, Kerry told them, “I wouldn’t want to be the one to tell Barack Obama what to do. But he must absolutely consider her (Clinton).”

    they just want to get Hillary out of the SEnate, where she’s becoming very powerful, and into a VP spot where she can’t really do anything!

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

  80. kostner Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    Just found this on no quarter…. LOL…

    O = Opressive
    B = Bully
    A = Arrogant
    M = Misogynist
    A = Absence of values, integrity & morals

    =====================

    And that’s the clean version!

  81. what do yall think of this from tm. ?
    Democratic Storm Warnings: The Anti-Obama Vote

    An ongoing series on voter dissatisfaction.
    BY TAYLOR MARSH

    This is the most dangerous threat to Obama in November. It’s what I’ve been talking about and wrote about today. That Clinton supporters are going to ignore McCain’s record, because their anti-Obama feelings are stronger than what a McCain presidency would bring. …and so it begins. But this one comes from a delegate to the Democratic convention.

    So why is anyone surprised that when Clinton delegate Debra Bartoshevich announced she had joined “Citizens for McCain” she was quickly made an example?

    Debra Bartoshevich, a nurse from Waterford who was selected earlier this year as a Hillary Clinton delegate to this summer’s Democratic National Convention, announced this week that, “I will not be voting for Obama. I will cast my vote for John McCain.”

    For her part, Bartoshevich has joined “Citizens for McCain,” the group organized by Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, the 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate who now sits in the Senate as an Independent Democrat, to get Democrats and independents to support the Republican candidate.

    That has not gone over well with Bartoshevich’s fellow Wisconsin Democrats.

    State Party chair Joe Wineke, an Edwards backer who is now enthusiastically for Obama, asked Friday night’s opening session of the state party convention to suspend party rules and begin an immediate process of stripping Bartoshevich of her national convention delegate status…

    …Two of Wisconsin’s most prominent Clinton backers, Lt. Gov. Barbara Lawton and U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin, D-Madison, delivered addresses hailing Obama…

    Debate over McCain backer spices up Dem convention

    The two Clinton backers obviously are aware of what’s at stake… for Hillary, as well as themselves.

    It’s only one delegate vote, but trust me, there’s a lot more where this one comes from, on the local level. The trouble is that this could end up hurting Hillary too. But no one seems to care about that repurcussion, or that Hillary will be working against a McCain presidency. They should, because big time political party payback can be a bitch, as Bartoshevich is quickly finding out. It would be worse for Clinton, because if anything but an all out effort for Obama isn’t made the blowback would be devastating, as it would if the candidates were reversed and Clinton were the nominee.

    Bartoshevich has one choice if she doesn’t want to support Obama: register independent, which would cause her to lose her Democratic convention delegate status too, and rightly so. This reminds me of an exchange I had with a Clinton fundraiser yesterday. Lori Kreloff went off on me in an email exchange that had a subject heading, “wow…your audacity,” for deleting cheerleading McCain troll comments of hers, then proceded to chastise me for not “goog(ling) her” first, while bragging about her importance to the DNC and the Clintons, and that she was making sure “Hillary’s brother” and everyone else up the Democratic food chain knew “how awful” I was. I encouraged her to “yell it from the rafters.” My Irish-Scots attitude precedes any proclamation she can provide. After name dropping anyone she could, she then called me the “elitist.” She went on to say she’s joining up with “former supporters of mine,” also imparting that she’s now an independent and will work with them against Barack Obama. This email back and forth went on and on. Oh, and she’s also going to tell Donna Brazile on me! What ever will I do?

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Hillary would disavow Bartoshevich’s actions, as well as any other Clintonite who tries to sabotage Hillary’s own power inside the Democratic Party. All that will happen from this is blowback against Clinton. That these party people don’t know this boggles the mind.

    However, all this is playing out at the party level. At the average voter level there isn’t a payback system. That’s the level Obama and his team should be worried about.

    Democratic storm warnings, indeed.

  82. TM is a typical unprincipled power and money hungry xxxxx. I knew it when she was supporting Hillary, and it’s just a given she’s now finding a higher bidder. The truth is she found a niche market while every ‘blogger’ was on Obama’s payroll. She said explicitly that she was able to ‘break even’ because so many Hillary supporters gave her money.

    All she cares about is money, money and money. It’s time for Hillary supporters to leave her in cold. It’s just amusing to watch her do a 180 switch from the most ardent anti-Obama voice to an Obama-ass-licker.
    I’m wondering how much Obama campaign has doled out for her.

    Make no mistake, she’ll be thrown under the Obama bus in no time after those brownshirts grab the power. Appeasement did not thwart the Nazi, and will never ever satisfy the desire of those fascists. I will not cry for that xxxxx.

  83. ***HAPPY FATHER,S DAY ***TO –BILL CLINTON AND everyone (men) here .

    My parents are in MO , so i be celebrating father,s day with my in-laws ,anyway my father in law is like my best friend ,and i still have to buy something for him .

    ANYWAY — guys spend time with ur dads ,give them hugs and kisses .

    take care .

  84. Taylor is wrong in the long-term though she may be correct in the short-term.

    Are the Bambian fascists going to try to ‘kneecap’ those who aren’t on board? Of course they are. But that doesn’t matter, and it goes both ways as the woman in MA and John Kerry are finding out.

    Taylor is now, sadly, a compromised figure. I like her a lot but she is now beholden to the Chicago-relocated DNC. She pisses them off, she loses her credentials to the National Convention and there goes her in with the party and her aspirations to relevance. This is the reality.

    You cannot go against the will of your party, and that is what the DNC is doing with its coup. In the end, the temporary blowback towards heroes like Bartoshevich is only going to make these people martyrs in the eyes of rank and file Dems who will not follow Bambi over the cliff.

    In other words, nobody is buying what Bambi and the DNC is selling. They didn’t buy it in OH (which is what caused Sam Powers to crack), even with all the $$$ Bambi spent. Nor did they buy it in TX, PA, WV, KY, PR, …

    If this were a large poker game like the ones Bambi went to in Chi-town with the lobbyists, he would be overplaying his bluff. That is, he doesn’t have the cards to pull off what he is trying to do by going Stalin with the party such as what was done with Bartoshevich, the DNC to Chicago, etc. He never had that leverage and he certainly doesn’t have it after mid-March and Wright.

    This is what people like the OK rep, Strickland, Warner, Ausmen and others are trying to politely tell the Bambians and what people like Ferraro and Bartoshevich are impolitely trying to say: You don’t have the headcount, buddy. And he doesn’t. He is illegitimate and backed by a minority of the party. That is inescapable and irrefutable, at least to anyone who recalls 2000.

    What is going to happen as we approach Obama’s Decline is that the entire artifice is going to collapse under its own way much like a political Spruce Goose. Too much audacity and gangsterness and not nearly enough support (just ask the DNC how their fundraising is going). And when it does, the ferocity with which Obama will be turned on will be stunning to many. It is coming, just ask the Clintons.

    In the Democratic Party, you only get one shot at President. When Obama blows his shot — misses his game-winning free throw — the party will take his donor and mailing lists and his anti-American ass will be kicked to the curb faster than you can say “Whitey.”

    As I have said repeatedly, none of what Skeletor, Coward Dean, Nancy BadJokesi or anyone else matters. We Clinton supporters control this election, and as long as we stay disciplined and active, Obama is finished for good in 5 months. Period. Nothing he or anyone else outside of our party-majority can do to alter this reality, either.

    This is an extended game of ‘chicken,’ and it is our task to make sure that the Obama 2008 car careens into the wall instead of us. After that happens, all that we want can be accomplished. But if we don’t make it happen, not only will we not get what we want they will try to blackball all of us like they are tying to effectively eliminate the Clintons right now. This is how politics works: The winner, the spoils.

    We control whether we win or not. So don’t listen to the siren songs of Roe/Wade or anything else. They are lies meant to save a plummeting Skeletor in Bambi.

    Taylor is a smart woman. She knows this, which is why she is somewhat hedging her bets by doing these kinds of ‘series’ while still toeing the DNC line. She knows that if Bambi falls on his face in November she needs to be able to pull the people who are ticked off at her now or else she falls down the irrelevancy hole when the vanquished Bambians desert the ship.

    Good stuff, T4H. It’s always interesting to know what the other side — the non-majority, coupist, “we don’t care about the voters” side — is thinking. And if you want the skinny on that perspective, there is no better place to get it currently than at TaylorMarsh.com. Or so I’ve heard, anyways. Hopefully Taylor won’t become so imbibed on the Kool Aid that we lose her voice to the chorus of the other anti-Clinton sirens.

    If she does, Dave Gregory might still find her useful but I’m not sure that sentiment will be widely shared, including by entities such as Air America. Air American knows how to lose money, we all know that. But you would think they would be interested in making some as well, and you don’t make coin from someone whose target demographic (middle-aged women) view her as a sell-out to party hacks.

    I hope this doesn’t happen to Taylor. She is better than this and deserves a better fate. Time, and her choices, will tell.

    One thing you have to respect about someone like Rush Limbaugh is that, as he says, the media didn’t make him and thus it can’t break him. The danger someone bought and paid for like a Jonathan Singer and now Taylor (DNC) faces is that if the horse you’re riding doesn’t win, you’re toast. Because your puppetmasters will view you as having contributed to said horse’s failure even if you had nothing to do with it.

    And that is why Limbaugh isn’t pretending he’s in love with John McCain after disparaging him for forever. That would be a lie and would expose Limbaugh to the charges of fraudulence that Olbermann has faced since he began sucking down Obama Kool Aid this election season and turned, Brutus-like, on Clinton.

    People see through that sh*t. They know, just like the white working class voters in the later primaries knew. You can’t fool people much.

    I think Taylor will be fine. As I’ve mentioned previously, she never hid the fact that she was going all-in with the Dems’ choice, even if that choice was illegitimate, as Obama is. As hard as she rooted for Clinton you always knew this was her deal and she never hid that. So, she hasn’t sacrificed her integrity. Or, at least, nowhere near the level of an Olbermann, anyways. Yes, it’s all about Taylor’s career and aspirations but anyone with his or her eyes open going in knew that. I don’t have a problem with that, personally, that is just what Taylor’s agenda is and I accept it. I still like her and wish her well, even if she is on the other side of the battle lines for now.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  85. Kostner wrote:

    TM is a typical unprincipled power and money hungry xxxxx. I knew it when she was supporting Hillary, and it’s just a given she’s now finding a higher bidder. The truth is she found a niche market while every ‘blogger’ was on Obama’s payroll. She said explicitly that she was able to ‘break even’ because so many Hillary supporters gave her money.

    Though I like TM, there is nothing here that Kostner wrote that I can disagree with, from a ‘this is what happened and what TM has been about’ perspective.

    If you want to understand Taylor better, go and find a biographical piece which has been around for at least several months regarding her. It is written by a male blogger who isn’t a big fan but who has very obviously done his homework. That’ll give you more of a sense of where Taylor is coming from and what she’s about. Again, I like her, much as I like Markos because they’re both both driven people who have gone after what they want. However, both are enemies at the moment and will be treated as such by myself.

    Would I do things the way either of them has, particularly Markos? No, definitely not. But I ‘get’ them and don’t have any burning ill-will towards them. They are what they are. And Keith Olbermann is what he is. I just like Taylor a lot more than I do Olbermann.

  86. Ok, the guy who wrote the piece on Taylor is John Brown. Here is the link:

    http://www.johnbrownks.blogspot.com/2008/03/fraud-or-legitimate-pundit-taylor-marsh.html

    Can I personally verify all of what he wrote? Nope, and I don’t care enough to check anyways. But it all sounds on the up and up and the man has definitely gone to school on Taylor Marsh.

    Taylor, if you read this and you probably will, I just want you to know this isn’t personal, it’s business. For a long time we had the same goals but now those goals have forked and you have to do what you have to do and I have to do what I have to do. I know that you, of all people, will understand that. I don’t expect you to treat me kindly during this process, either, and I want you to know that I won’t take it personally, either.

    Good luck. Neither one of us has a perfect vessel, but I’ll take the war hero (with the primary pop vote winner in the bullpen) over the anti-American race-baiter any day.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  87. texan,

    Where are you looking for info on Ed Hale? Someone else from his organization posted on clintondems.com a week or so ago that Hale was a Texas rancher and a delegate — to the state convention I assume. I supposed she meant this year.

    Personally I think he and his site are legit. His first site had an active comments section and he answered every comment.

  88. newsmeat.com shows donation history and in 04 he gave to the greens. yes he was a del to the tx conv but lots of us here in tx question this guy. in his email tonight he sent out he says he will use the money donated to help buy the whitey tape and get a lawyer to look into obama’s citizenship. im just so leary of some folks online i guess.

  89. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) ,

    do you really believe taylor has a ‘career’? I mean, come on, we, at lease I knew she’s a hack. We were using her to help Hillary the same way she was using us to make some quick money. I never believed she has any core value. It’s all about money, relevance and fame.

    These hacks have no permanent us for us, at least for me. I don’t care what her final fate will be, I frankly hope she gets stung by both sides in the back and forth. We may or may not become her temporary bedfellows in the future, but that does not change the fact she is simply another whore.

    I agree with your assessment on the bloody truth of politics. It’s all about power struggle in the end.

  90. texan4hillary Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 3:49 am
    newsmeat.com shows donation history and in 04 he gave to the greens. yes he was a del to the tx conv but lots of us here in tx question this guy. in his email tonight he sent out he says he will use the money donated to help buy the whitey tape and get a lawyer to look into obama’s citizenship.

    I’m not on his list. Those don’t sound to me like a good use of money — let the GOP do stuff like that, they’re set up for it. Unless Hale’s point is to try to get something out before August 25.
    But Larry Johnson is looking for the tape too, why duplicate effort.

    What do y’all in Texas question him about?

  91. I’m reading TM’s bio. What sort of pro-Kerry blogging had TM done? I have never heard of TM’s name among blogsphere until this primary season. Again, my knowledge was very limited, I knew only dailykooks then.

  92. Kostner:

    I do think there is a possible future for Taylor in media, yes, if things break properly.

    How extensive of one? That’s a different matter. But she hasn’t been cozying up to the DNC and David Gregory, Huffington, etc. for nothing.

    The bottom line is that Taylor is working very hard to have, and thinks she has, a future in media. And she is making her choices based on those thought processes, correctly or incorrectly.

    One of the reasons that MSNBC & CNN are such circle jerks for Obama and now Russert is because its all a large dog and pony show to try to curry favor with producers and execs who can put you into a powerful position. That’s why if it looks like the MSNBC chumps are all trying to bring the biggest “I heart Obama” apple to the teacher it’s because they are.

    If Taylor is able to convince some program directors, on-air talent or producers that she has something to offer, then she may be able to leverage something out of this, after all.

    I don’t know how likely her chances are. I will say this, if Obama doesn’t win they are much smaller given where she is at as a DNC appendage at the moment. She has placed her bet and her fortunes are now tied with it. This is true of almost all of the bloggers and media outlets, which is one reason you see such immense overreactions to every little thing — their asses are on the line, too, and everyone knows it. If, for example, Obama loses than someone like Tweety is going to take a gigantic hit to his rep because of how much he has shilled for him. And no one knows that better than Tweety.

    I think Taylor has a bit more to her than the most of the current Blogger Boyz crew. They are, in general, chumps and frauds, and non-compelling ones to boot. Nobody needs a review on the physical attractiveness, or lack of same, of figures such as Singer or Markos. And I could care less and am not trying to impugn them. But this is mass media we’re talking about, and this kind of thing matters. Nobody knows that more than Markos who was just ripping McCain’s teeth the other day.

    I think that Taylor’s, Markos,’ Singer’s, … business model, so to speak, is flawed. As you said, there is no ‘us’ there, only ‘me.’ And the real problem is that the ‘me’ is an amorphous, mercenary ‘me.’ That is not a recipe for long-term success, and not one I would follow or advise others to follow.

    The Limbaugh method is a much stronger way. If you don’t like someone because he is a race-baiting liar, then you should hold that position and not pivot because that figure was illegitimately awarded a victory he did not fairly earn. You audience has to be able to rely on you or else you will lose them. The perfect example of the opposite of Limbaugh is Olbermann. He’s a sports shtick guy…now he’s a commentator guy who’s gimmick is he hates Bush…now he’s back in sports…but wait, he’s Edward R. Murrow…he likes Clinton…he hates Clinton…he’s taking cheap shots at a rival who got a job he didn’t at CBS.

    Olbermann is a pure mercenary. He doesn’t give a sh*t what he has to say as long as he is getting his check. And by becoming this, Keith has lost many of his previously most fervent supporters. And he will continue to lose them. No matter how smart Keith thinks he is, people pick up on these things. His on/off light switch with the Clinton hatred this election season was so inartfully and clumsily managed that it could have been observed via telescope on Jupiter. A similar thing has happened to Tweety as his credibility has steadily eroded over the years whereas he once had a fairly-good reputation and was perceived to have had some dignity. All of that is gone now, which is why he probably won’t be renewed at the end of his contract and certainly won’t be renewed for 5 million per. Well, this is the network that kept Tucker Carlson’s home video going for years, so you never know. But the market says Tweety is gone or coming back at a greatly discounted rate.

    I don’t know if we’ll ever become temporary political bedfellows with Taylor in the future. Who knows? The only thing I can say, and I’m sure you would feel the same, is that if we do it has to be on the right terms. If Obama were to win then I don’t see having much involvement with Taylor for years going forward. There would be nothing there for me or what I believe in and I don’t think she would appreciate having me around trying to take down a sitting Dem Prez. I hope we don’t come to that, but you never know.

    And that is why it is essential that we defeat Bone Boy and his minions, so we never have to find out. If we want to keep things as a ‘buyer’s market’ for ourselves and our party, we have to defeat Bambi. If not, things will quickly change to a seller’s market and I don’t want any part of purchasing political real estate under such conditions.

    And neither do the rest of the majority of the party who backed Clinton. People are already fed-up with the Stalinist tactics of the Bambians now. Imagine the gulag things would become if they actually won?

    Scary sh*t.

    So onward, to victory, for us. I don’t want to live in Barack Orwell’s America.

    😉

  93. Kostner: I have no idea about the TM Kerry blogging. Someone also mentioned that she got interviews with Bubba when Bubbas was in office. That one, I could see. But I have no idea. I didn’t know anything about TM until about 6+ months or so ago.

    That piece is an interesting read though, isn’t it? She has lived a very unique life. I think it’s pretty cool.

  94. Paul,

    I agree with your assessment on Limbaugh/O’Reilly model…

    Sure we have to do everything we do to defeat bambi at any cost, I completely agree with your reasoning. I am a realist, and I, just like you, know that the only language your opponent understand in politics is winning.

    But make no mistake, it’s not a given that bambi will be defeated in Nov, but even so, that’s not the end of this struggle. Bambi has already had so many enemies, and I truly believe his approval ratings will likely go below George’s level within the first six months.

    There will always be another election until he has the audacity to cancel it, and it’s just two years from 2008.

  95. The reason I believe there’s a good chance bambi might still win in Nov is quite simple: It’s my strong opinion that ordinary voters are sheep, gullible, idiotic and manipulative. bambi has the propaganda tools, the MSM at his disposal at no cost.

    Remember, Hitler was elected. Mao/Lelin/Stalin/Kim, these cult leaders all had close to 100% approval ratings from the mass… The mass will jump off a cliff if the cult leader tells them to do so.

    The american voters are no different than the mass under Mao/Lelin/Stalin.

  96. I agree with you Kostner: There is an excellent chance that Bambi will be elected. That is reality given all the circumstances. We have a tremendous amount of work to do to help prevent that from happening.

    If he does win, he will fail spectacularly, much as Patrick has in Massachusetts. He is not ready or qualified and not even a Democratic Congress will save him. Expect large setbacks for Congressional Dems in 2010 if Bambi is elected. Those Congressional Dems will be pining for 1994 and the Contract with America days after dealing with Bambi and the anti-Dem tsunami his presidency would engender.

    The best thing we have going for us is that Bambi is a fraud and he and those in his inner circle are ticking time bombs who are wholly incapable of preventing their next explosions. Since Wright and through Johnson it has been one grenade after another and not even the DNC and the MSM could carry him to a legitimate victory. This guy is beyond damaged goods at this point.

    We’ll see, and we’ll keep working to rebuff him and his coupists.

  97. New Obama campaign Battle Cry:

    ” CHICAGO UBER ALLES ”

    Sounds familiar to we old timers,that fought to suppress that phrase when it came from Adolph.

    By ABM90

  98. I am told yesterday that a Gay Hillary Delegate put an old car in the Albuquerque Gay Parade, right behind the Obama float with Hillary Signs. It got a big reception. The Local Democratic Party Fought it and lost. What courage that too. Reminds me of the courage that HRC showed in the campaign.

    That might be an idea for local visibility in the small town and large cities (depending on the entrance fee of course) for the 4th of July. Just put a car in with Hillary signs and a sign that says.

    THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE OF THE POPULAR VOTE (BY OVER 500,000 Democratic Americans)

    HILLARY ROHDAM CLINTON.

  99. ONN — The Obama News Network is comprised of the following partial list (very partial):

    – CNN
    – MSNBC
    – CBS
    – ABC
    – NBC
    – Newsweek
    – Time
    – New York Times
    – Washington Post

    General public news:

    – Internet

    (The rules say they can’t take over the Internet until after he is elected.)

  100. By the way, if you have a Kinkos, or Fed Ex in your area, you can design a sign like this, put it on a memory stick, and they will print it on large paper to put on the side of a car. I think it cost us like $75 for 6 large black and white signs. So two signs might be quite reasonable.

    Remember this need not cost you but the local parade fee. These signs could be made by hand. Just some suggestions on seeing if national we can do something to get visibilty in the Small town and cities.

  101. Do you suppose many women oppose the election of BHO simply because they don’t want to be forced to wear a khimar when he institutes sharia law? However, as everyone here knows, his half-brother says he is a Muslim. We don’t know what he will do in office because we’ve never had a Muslim for President before. We’ve never even had an Arab-American for President before. It has been said he is far more Arab than black.

    Well, maybe the women have other good reasons, but it was fun to ask.

  102. I dont understand how can Obama say we will bring a gun to the election battle? Wasn’t it the same person who said, “bitter people,” cling to guns, does this mean Obama now is bitter?

  103. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) and others I’m under no pressure my family still loves me and I bring up voting for McCain all the time and that Obama is an opportunist power hungry hack but my daughter is blinded by the dream and the Obama propaganda on the media.

    Because she believes in those media whores who have sold their credibility to the mighty dollar. The Tim Russert rewriting history tour shows this perfectly…how the Political elites invaded the media and gain power through SHAPING the NEWS (in orther words being propagadists), instead of reporting the news for Political power. Their CREDIBILITY is forever damage in the eyes of the people. The pulic trust is gone…must Americans see the media as a threat to our democracy and see reforms are needed since it appears that the media can’t or won’t poilice themselves.

    Because of this country respect for the freedom of the press and free speech…that seem NOT to be protected on the INTERNET this campaign season by all the scubbing and deleting of desenting voices.

    The MEDIA need to be held responsible and accountable too…it seem TOO MUCH POWER CORRUPT…what a bunch of sellouts. I have never been more disgusted to what they did to a fine American Gina Gershon by that toilet rag VANITY FAIR by Dee Dee Myers husband.

  104. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    June 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    I dont understand how can Obama say we will bring a gun to the election battle? Wasn’t it the same person who said, “bitter people,” cling to guns, does this mean Obama now is bitter?
    *****************************************************
    While GWB was deemed a COWBOY by the Democrats…Howard Dean/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid/John Kerry has a GANGSTER who promotes violent imagery on his campaign stumps.

  105. carbynew, I agree, even my partner says Im angier then ever about Obama and his race for presidency this year. I just feel he’s not entitled and I’m at lost.

  106. hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/is-barack-obama-going-to-march-in.html#links

    Obama not going to be in gay parade in Chicago, Ill, check it out

  107. justmeinmountdoraft

    We need to get a car in there with Hillary signs and Stickers.

    Anyone on the blog from Chicago?

  108. new mexico,

    what a great idea about the float, and you are so right, we need
    to keep her alive and well in the minds of the people.
    they need to be reminded about how they were cheated,
    by cheaters.

    i would love to see hillary/mccain buttons and bumper stickers.
    or
    bumper stickers with nasty michell obama, that says:
    ‘NO NO NO, NOT THIS AMERICA…’

    anyway you point to remind the public is right on point.

  109. paul,

    are you doing a video, of adolph and obama morphing into one?
    and are you showing an army of panthers and liberals like dean
    nancy and brazille and dodd, all marching behind him, like the
    racist nazis they are?

  110. I just don’t want anyone to think that I am weakening towards Obama, I am still mad as hell and will have no trouble pulling a straignt republican ticket. I just stay away from watching anything republican because I can’t stand them either. As I have said before this is a vote that is anti-Obama and as far as the rest of the ticket, that is for the anti-DNC.
    This country needs all of us to stick together and let our government know, this country is for the people, by the people as it was in 1776.

    I personally think, we need to make a statement to this conspiracy that exists in this country that is against middle americans, to do that we must unite! I can say John McCain is a centrist and it makes it easier to vote for him, my only other hope is that he does not put in a Romney or Guilliani! Lieberman would be good!!

  111. From HillBuzz….

    be afraid, be very afraid….

    Saturday, June 14, 2008
    Weirdest Story of the Day: Sock Puppet Called Racist (But Nutcracker Completely Okay, of Course)

    VIA DenverPost

    A Mom & Pop operation in Denver is being called racist for creating an Obama sock puppet toy (just like the George Bush sock puppet they have sold for years).

    The outrage, incidentally, comes from the very same people who said nothing about the “Hillary Clinton Nutcracker” sold in Barnes & Noble, airport kiosks, on the internet, and at various retail locations throughout the nation.

    Once again, sexism is not only alive and well in this country, but perfectly acceptable.

    But, sock puppets? Racist! Curse you, you racist puppets! And, anyone who doesn’t hate sock puppets is a racist as well. Unless, of course, the sock puppet is anti-woman, in which case it’s probably okay.

    Shut up and drink your Kool-Aid.

  112. “Deeply Fraudulent” is how Hillary’s description of sexism in the media…is being characterized by Liz Trotta on Fox. She goes on the say….
    ‘unfair and hostile and is ridiculous” her (HRC) charges…

    “Hillary got her job because of affirmative action”

    +++++++++++++
    amazing…..

    time for Liz Trotta to be on the enemies list

  113. Admin…that woman just apprered on FoxNews at about 11:55 this morning. The entire interview was patently offensive to women everywhere. I think we need to link…..if they have the nerve to put it up on the website.

  114. confloyd said:
    I can say John McCain is a centrist and it makes it easier to vote for him, my only other hope is that he does not put in a Romney or Guilliani! Lieberman would be good!!
    ================================

    We’re lucky it’s McCain running this year. A vote for him will improve both parties. It will pull the GOP toward the center, and keep the Dems from going further off center.

  115. Interesting.. the person who is “leading the (Barack Obama) ‘outreach’ effort” to woo HRC supporters and other Dems is about to be on FOXNews.

    Funny that the candidate needs that, now isn’t it Donna?

  116. Sometimes I wonder about FOx and who they put on, maybe this liz trotta is getting her toes sucked by Dicky Morris!!!

  117. For the latest on post-primary spin from MSNBC is a big New Yorker article.

    First, it’s nice to see some old-timers still around who can recognize and call bullshit for what it is;

    “Asked about the prospect of an Olbermann reign at “CBS Evening News,” Sandy Socolow, Walter Cronkite’s final executive producer, responded emphatically. “Oh, no, no, no, he’s not a newsman,” Socolow said. “He’s not a reporter. I’ve never seen anything that he’s done that was original, in terms of the information. It’s all derivative. I like him, I agree with his perspective, and I think he’s very, very good on television. But he’s not a newsman.” Socolow added, “Ten years ago, if he had done at CBS what he does every day on the air at MSNBC, he would have been fired by the end of the day.”

    Second, you see the sheer arrogance of MSNBC’s Griffin, who thinks simply the whole fucking world is stupid;

    “But, just as Obama must work to win Clinton supporters for the fall campaign, Phil Griffin has to repair a fractured audience base, a portion of which saw sexism in his network’s Clinton coverage and vowed to boycott MSNBC. Griffin knows that some of that anger is aimed at his star anchor. “It was, like, you meet a guy and you fall in love with him, and he’s funny and he’s clever and he’s witty, and he’s all these great things,” Griffin said of the relationship between Olbermann and the Clinton supporters among his viewers. “And then you commit yourself to him, and he turns out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It’s true. But I do think they’re going to come back. There’s nowhere else to go.”

  118. Admin,

    Big Media lies, spins, and deifys a man ONLY because he is one of their own. Their coverage of Russert’s death is nothing but a vain-glorious, self obsessed, and self-serving wish to portray themselves as moral and feeling (when all they really care about is who gets his job). And what did you do? you simply called them on their self-serving lies by calling attention to the facts that they are dissembling.

    Big Media’s response and their enablers at the Big Blogs feign outrage at the “disrespectful tone”

    Well, just as patriotism is the last refuge of the tyrant so to is moral outrage the police state tactic of the yellow Stalinist press corps.

    Has this ever been written in an obituary: “out of respect for XYZ’z family we will decline to discuss the controversial aspects of this person’s past? NO! When their is, and even when their isn’t controversy, Obituary’s of public figure are objective anaysis of a person’s impact in the public sphere. To claim insesitivity out of respect for a person’s family is journalstically unprecdented. It NEVER happens.

    But ofcourse it is all that is happening now. The history of this man’s life has been rewritten in an instant, and Big Media has sent their Big Media god up in a ballon befit for no person of flesh and blood.

    Why? Because as you so brilliantly pointed out, Big Media IS the news. Russert was particulary bad in corrupting journalistic practices in America by making the news about his personal life. (By the way, has Big Media mentioned that all the video footage of Russert in Buffalo hanging with “the people” and dad is footage related to his book tour)? To deify Russert is to denigrate all the Americans that work hard for a living and just don’t happen to be rich or on TV. Yes poor people are people to, and poor and middle class people who are not on tv also have compelling stories of upward mobility and strong family ties. In fact, don’t all Humans have compelling personal stories, rich or poor, past or present, American or foreign?

    But because he is on TV, and because Big Media all want their own funerals to become roadblock coverage of crocodile tears, and because Big Media believes THEMSELVES to be beyond contempt – and really beyond scrutiny, they heap contempt on you for simply calling them on their lies.

    Meanwhile, the Big Blogs who were so contemptous and hateful of Russert when he abdicated his journalistic role and helped sell Bush’s lies that got us into Iraq are the ones most eager to have their faces seen at the front of the funeral train crying the crocodile tears.

    And how dare us for saying that they are Hypocrites and Cowards all.

    Well, all that’s called is HITTING HOME, and when that happens it’s easiest to change the subject, because YOU are “out of line”

    Hillary is 44!

  119. Hillary Clinton backers not quick to join Barack Obama campaign

    BY CELESTE KATZ
    DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

    Saturday, June 14th 2008, 7:45 PM
    Manhattan lawyer Julissa Reynoso is throwing her support to Barack Obama

    Manhattan lawyer Julissa Reynoso is throwing her support to Barack Obama
    Charles Greinsky is turning his attention to the race for the Congress seat of disgraced Rep. Vito Fossella. Oates for News

    Charles Greinsky is turning his attention to the race for the Congress seat of disgraced Rep. Vito Fossella.
    Barbara Layton plans to go to the wire in support of Hillary Clinton Roca/News

    Barbara Layton plans to go to the wire in support of Hillary Clinton
    Rosa Nunez-Caamano has thrown her support to John McCain. Bates for News

    Rosa Nunez-Caamano has thrown her support to John McCain.

    She was in it to win it. And they were in it with her.

    Now Hillary Clinton and the volunteers who threw their hearts into her campaign face the same question: What next?

    Across the city, the foot soldiers in Clinton’s White House fight are breaking ranks in the wake of her campaign’s end.

    Some of the party faithful vow to march on – as Clinton requests – in hopes of catapulting Barack Obama to the presidency.

    Manhattan lawyer – and profound Clinton admirer – Julissa Reynoso, 33, is joining Team Obama.

    “In the days following the end, I was very sad. I wasn’t ready [to] automatically embrace Sen. Obama’s campaign. I had to kind of deal with my grief,” said Reynoso, who maxed out as a contributor, volunteered as a fund-raiser and worked as a phone banker and campaign road warrior.

    “Am I running around buying tickets to go to swing states [for Obama]? Not right now – but I will be,” she said. “We’re going to do whatever we can, but I myself have to get to the point where I’m completely impassioned and my head is there.”

    Not everyone has got a crush on Obama.

    Longtime Clinton fan Charles Greinsky is opting to go local instead: He’s focused on Democratic City Councilman Mike McMahon’s run for the seat being vacated by disgraced Staten Island GOP Rep. Vito Fossella. That doesn’t leave a lot of time to campaign for Obama – and that’s no accident.

    The retired Greinsky traveled the country to spread the gospel of Clinton, and performed “extensive outreach in the Jewish community” here.

    “I did everything from giving out literature in front of Hispanic evangelical churches in Houston to making phone calls, working the polls, putting in 18-hour days,” he said.

    Greinsky, 57, isn’t raring to do the same for the Illinois senator: “He has to convince me why I should work for him.”

    Barbara Layton, owner of Clinton hangout Babette’s in East Hampton, couldn’t agree more.

    “I think it’s really important that everybody really understands that the campaign is suspended. It’s not ended. So my feeling is we have two months to the convention – and anything is possible,” said Layton, 55.

    “Everybody put their personal lives on hold for all of these months, and as long as she was getting up and doing it every day, so were we,” she said. “Texas, New Hampshire, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Indianapolis, Ohio…”

    Although she’s not ruling out voting for Obama if – IF – he’s the nominee, “I do not feel that Hillary supporters need to make any decisions at this moment. We will continue to be a powerful voice and simultaneously step back a bit and allow things to unfold, leaving space for possibility,” she said. “Not so fast.”

    But Rosa Nunez-Caamano of Astoria has already made up her mind: She’s going back out on the trail – for Republican John McCain.

    “Our motto: ‘DNC [Democratic National Committee], you stab me in the back and I will go Mac,'” says Nunez-Caamano, 56, a former welfare administrator who immigrated from the Dominican Republic at age 14.

    Nunez-Caamano stumped for Clinton in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiana and Puerto Rico. Aside from her anger at Democratic officials at their treatment of her senator, she also recalled ugly run-ins with Obama backers.

    “Anything you can think of, we were called…I was personally spit on,” she said. “I cannot join someone like that….Besides, I don’t think he has the experience. I don’t think he’s mature enough to run the country.”

    But Nunez-Caamano isn’t turning Republican.

    “We’re not voting for a party. We are voting for a President,” she said. “We still have a lot to know about [Obama] that we don’t know. I hope we don’t find out too late.”

  120. “kostner Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 5:16 am
    The reason I believe there’s a good chance bambi might still win in Nov is quite simple: It’s my strong opinion that ordinary voters are sheep, gullible, idiotic and manipulative. bambi has the propaganda tools, the MSM at his disposal at no cost.
    Remember, Hitler was elected. Mao/Lelin/Stalin/Kim, these cult leaders all had close to 100% approval ratings from the mass… The mass will jump off a cliff if the cult leader tells them to do so.
    The american voters are no different than the mass under Mao/Lelin/Stalin”
    ——————————
    Kostner’s attitude is ages old but it bugs me every time I encounter it..

    Ordinary voters are not sheep, gullible, idiotic and easily manipulated, etc Kostner’s contempt for the common man is what leads those in power to abuse us. This is the belief behind totalitarians of all stripes. The common man saw through the Obama disease in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, etc, etc – 18 million of us. And you won’t communicate to those who still do not understand by looking down your nose at them. They have been deprived of information, and they don’t know where to find it. It is our job to try to help them understand what’s happening. Sometimes I think we on the blogs spend too much of our time preaching to one another and not enough time reaching out with respect and caring to those who need us to help them keep informed, especially in this time of media dishonesty.

    Check your history: Hitler was not elected. He bullied and blackmailed his way to appointment.

    Also, the American voter is VERY different from the masses under Mao, Lenin and Stalin. The American voter was born and cultivated in American values, has never known what it is to live in a defeated country, a totally broken system, and in abject poverty with its concomitant loss of self-esteem as had the people of Germany, Russia, China. Those Germans, Russians, Chinese also deserve your respect. They were not just gullible masses, sheep, etc – they were looking for food, work, and a decent way to live.

  121. Here’s an article in the NYT that highlights the growing concern among Dems about Obama’s negative effect on down-ticket candidates. It begins, “With all the talk and worry about the potential “Obama effect” on races down the ticket…” before going on to push Axelrod’s standard line about Obama’s ability to draw in independents, blah blah etc.

    The glimmer of good news is that people are finally beginning to wake up, and realize what a disaster Obama is going to be in the fall.

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/obamas-down-ballot-effect/

  122. Yet ANOTHER high-profile Democrat tells Obama he wants nothing to do with his train-wreck of a campaign:

    ———————
    Warner takes self out of VP mix

    By BOB LEWIS, Associated Press Writer

    Saturday, June 14, 2008

    (06-14) 15:55 PDT Hampton, Va. (AP) —

    Former Gov. Mark R. Warner on Saturday removed himself from consideration as a vice presidential running mate for Democrat Barack Obama.

    Warner clarified his intentions for the first time as he accepted the Virginia Democratic Convention’s nomination for a U.S. Senate race this fall.

    “I have not sought and I will not accept any other opportunity,” Warner told cheering convention delegates.

    He was one of three Virginia Democrats frequently mentioned as potential Obama ticketmates. Neither of the other two, Sen. Jim Webb or Gov. Tim Kaine, have ruled out a run with Obama.

    “Today, in front of this convention, I wanted to make it clear what I am focused on,” Warner said. Until Saturday, he had downplayed his interest but stopped short of precluding a spot on the ticket if Obama asked.

    Both parties say Virginia is in play this year, and Obama has shown he intends to campaign aggressively in a state the Democrats last won in a presidential election in 1964. His first campaign swing after securing the delegates necessary for the Democratic nomination was June 5 through Virginia.

    Warner, who is favored over Republican former Gov. Jim Gilmore in the Senate race. He was uncontested as the Democratic nominee for the seat Sen. John W. Warner has kept securely Republican for 30 years. The former governor and retiring senator are friends, but not related.

    With no nominations to decide, Saturday’s convention became a pep rally for Warner’s race. He was the only Democrat to repeatedly bring the crowd of more than 2,000 to its feet.

  123. It all sounds nice that all these people don’t want to be Obama’s VP, but it can also be worrisome. I don’t want everyone refuse because this could force Hillary. I also would think some politicians are so jealous of the Clintons that they would welcome her running with a losing candidate and be rid of both in one quick move!!

    Some loyal Clinton supporters that are appalled that Obama wants someone else may be refusing to force his nomination of her!!

    Personally, I think Chris Dodd would be perfect running mate for Obama, then in one quick move we could be rid of both!!

    Chris is definitely not one I like because of him divorcing his wife of many years for a new younger version. I don’t like those type of candidates, the exception of coarse is John McCain!! There will nothing he could do not to get my vote in November!!

  124. “Our motto: ‘DNC [Democratic National Committee], you stab me in the back and I will go Mac,’” says Nunez-Caamano, 56, a former welfare administrator who immigrated from the Dominican Republic at age 14.
    *****************************************************
    I love this…”You stab me in the back and I will go Mac!”

  125. Obama’s 7-point lead over McCain, which he held a week ago, has evaporated and the two are in a statistical tie, according to today’s Gallup poll 😀 Let’s keep the pressure on Bambi — the guy is deer-in-the-headlights and beginning to falter badly:

    ———–

    June 15, 2008
    Gallup Daily: Obama-McCain Race Reverts to Virtual Tie
    Percentage undecided now 15%, highest of the year

    * USA
    * Election 2008
    * Gallup Daily
    * Americas
    * Northern America

    PRINCETON, NJ — Voters are closely divided between Barack Obama and John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted June 12-14, with 44% of national registered voters favoring Obama for president and 42% backing McCain.

    Obama had led by as many as seven percentage points in the first few days following Hillary Clinton’s departure from the race. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here.) Although the margin between Obama and McCain is now similar to what it was in the last few weeks of the Democratic primary race, the structure of the race looks slightly different than at any other time this year as a result of the relatively high percentage of voters — 15% — not favoring either major-party candidate. This includes 7% of voters who say they are undecided and 8% who say they will not vote for either candidate (including 1% who volunteer they will vote for another specific candidate).

  126. As you get the local canddiate liturature, or phone call, we need to start telling them how it is.

    I am voting McCain in Support of HRC. My only question is will I go totally Republican. I think that is a real threat this year in close contests, and they need to know it.

  127. Dear God, why is there no legitimate petition to
    force the resignation of Howard Dean?

    He has TORN UP this party to make Obama our nominee.

  128. NewMexicoFan, I think we all need to get onboard the bus and say straight republican ticket so as to send the DNC a strong message that we will not standby and let a candidate hijack the nomination. We need to send a strong message that we are not happy about its relocating to Chicago so Daley can run it.
    We also need to let them know that misogyny will not be tolerated any more than racism!!!

  129. I think this is a great blog.
    I would change the name, and get rid of the
    ladie’s room pink color.

  130. dogworld, I think I did sign a petition for a resignation by Dean, I don’t remember when, but it was out there.

    How else can be unite and force a resignation or can we just out and out fire him????

  131. dogworld, the pink color makes this blog what it is, THE BIG PINK!! LOL!! You’ll get used to it! Thanks for coming onboard!

  132. The AOL Straw Vote.

    South Caroline the piviotal state that was shoved down our throats to show how strong he was.

    Second week of polling

    65% McCain 35% Obama

    Amazing how unimportant that victory seems to be. The bump has entirely evaporated, and he is in a dead heat again, and his performance in those caucuses red states and primary red states are beginning to show their importance now.

    WONDER WHAT THE SDS ARE THINKING NOW.

    When you hitch your wagon to a star, it might go down in flame taking you with it.

    DON’T WORRY, WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY AND RACISM TO THROW AT THIS. Remember how well that worked with Hillary?

  133. new Mexicofan, That is exactly what Obama is going to do, he is going to throw the race card all the way to November. Funny though the republicans don’t care!!

  134. Edwards has said, that he doesn’t want it, but he isn’t very trustworthy. Kerry seemed interested.

  135. If we the AA vote for O it is not racism

    If whites vote for McCain it is racism

    So what am i. I am an AA i will be voting for McCain

    Give me a break on this. Someone really needs to step up to the plate and call O out on this.

    The man is not QUALFIED PERIOD

  136. birdgal Says:

    June 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
    Edwards has said, that he doesn’t want it, but he isn’t very trustworthy. Kerry seemed interested

    Edwards will take anything he can get. I never trusted that smile

  137. birdgal

    I hope he puts Kerry on the ticket. They both can go down together. There is a lot of people who can’t stand Kerry

  138. “But, just as Obama must work to win Clinton supporters for the fall campaign, Phil Griffin has to repair a fractured audience base, a portion of which saw sexism in his network’s Clinton coverage and vowed to boycott MSNBC. Griffin knows that some of that anger is aimed at his star anchor. “It was, like, you meet a guy and you fall in love with him, and he’s funny and he’s clever and he’s witty, and he’s all these great things,” Griffin said of the relationship between Olbermann and the Clinton supporters among his viewers. “And then you commit yourself to him, and he turns out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It’s true. But I do think they’re going to come back. There’s nowhere else to go.”
    *****************************************************
    So WOMEN love to be ABUSE and come back for more because that is what Griffin is saying to all WOMEN.

    We DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS BECAUSE THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

    So WOMEN support for the GE/NBC/MSNBC Brands over decades are not inportant to them because they know WOMEN will still take the ABUSE. It’s alright to be MYSOGINITIC and SEXIST on their shows because the “little ladies” don’t have any other options and they WON’T BOYCOTT THEIR SHOWS OR THE ADVERTISERS THAT PAYS FOR THOSE SHOWS.

    Even our Weak WOMEN ORGANISATIONS came CRAWLING BACK into the folds of the Roe vs Wade and Supreme court chesnuts to keep us in bondage to the ultimate whoring out of their principles.

    PATHETIC!!!

  139. Confloyd:

    Yes! there is nothing McCain can do for me that could get me to not vote for him for at the moment!…
    As long as BO is the nominee, McCain is a Saint!

    But I will only vote or suport those DEMS that PUBLICLY supported clinton before Jun3rd and did not switrch their support…

    I also took myself of Barbara Boxer’s list since she was silent. I want her out in 2010 in CA! Villaraigosa or Newsom would be better!
    I do not care about AL gore’s foundations…I am my own environmentalist.
    Gore’s silence on FL was deafening to me. poor leader indeed!

  140. More NBPP fireworks.
    On rezkowatch, an article about Farrakhan saying “Whitey. You owe us the Whole COuntry.”
    Check the trailer. 3 hour movie is available for download.
    ‘In the download of the millennium my full 1998 Middle East interview with Minister Louis Farrakhan is preceded by ‘Ministry of Rage’ – a 2hr 50min experimental, paradigm-shattering, non-narrative avante garde epic. Featuring the 1995 Million Man March, the Joe Lieberman/Farrakhan rapprochement, Jude Wanniski and Father Michael Pfleger, 1996 Farrakhan World Tour, Michael Jackson trial, the Libyan/N.O.I. “Billion Dollar” affair, Malcolm X, the British Farrakhan ban, the infamous 1994 A.D.L. memo

  141. mp

    But I will only vote or suport those DEMS that PUBLICLY supported clinton before Jun3rd and did not switrch their support…

    Same Here

    My councilman endorsed Hillary then switch to O. I can’t wait till he runs again. I will let him have it when he knocks on my door asking for my support

  142. McCain is working for our votes – Obama Isn’t
    By
    Owl
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site:
    About: See Authors Posts (3) on June 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Obama’s Thugs

    It has come to my attention that John McCain is actively meeting (in private one-on-one meetings and conference calls) with Clinton supporters, including women’s and GBLT groups. Senator Obama isn’t lifting a finger, and his high-level campaign folks are simply assuming that everyone is going to fall in line.

    Democrats are not necessarily going to vote for McCain, but in a close election every vote counts. The fact is that many people are pissed off at the DNC and do not feel that Obama can win in November nor that he is qualified or trustworthy enough to be President. McCain can exploit that.

    On a recent conference call that John McCain moderated himself, explicitly stated that he is a “fan of” Sandra Day O’Connor while not going so far as to say that he will nominate judges that will respect stari decisis and honor Roe v Wade. The danger is that he could meet the “good enough” threshold. He is also earning people’s respect.

    Compound that with the brown shirt tactics that are being used to suppress anyone that expresses anything other than 100% orthodoxy and a shit storm is brewing.

    In fact, it reminds me of when the neocons took over the republican party and silenced moderates.

    This is troubling to me; arrogance does not win people over. Hell, Obama was out golfing during Hillary’s concession speech. Bullying does not win people over either. I’m not won over, but I will not vote for the old man because he backs awful policies.

    I sincerely hope that the Obama campaign stops resting in its laurels and pays more than lip service to uniting the party. Wake up Senator Obama – we need to win back the White House, and that takes hard work.

    ____________

    SusanUnPC’s note: Owl06 originally published this story at Alegre’s Corner blog || Many of our longtime readers have read and enjoyed Alegre’s many posts here as well as Owl06’s posts here.
    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/15/mccain-is-working-for-our-votes-obama-isnt/#more-3080

  143. rjk,

    couldnt ya make it a llittle more appealing, like:

    ‘koolaid out/viagra in/vote mccain 08’

  144. WOW! ZAPPED!

    I just went to STAGE6.DIVX.com to download the Farrakhan film and the site has been SHUT DOWN!

  145. Michelle Obama: More Than They Want You To KNow

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/the-whole-enchilada/

  146. texan,

    i read that article, and didnt like this statement:

    ‘This is troubling to me; arrogance does not win people over. Hell, Obama was out golfing during Hillary’s concession speech. Bullying does not win people over either. I’m not won over, but I will not vote for the old man because he backs awful policies.’

    i commented: ‘WELL I WILL’… ‘ABO’ (anyone but obama)…

  147. “We’re lucky it’s McCain running this year. A vote for him will improve both parties. It will pull the GOP toward the center, and keep the Dems from going further off center.”

    My thinking exactly.

    Just look at the facts. 5 of the 7 judges who voted for Roe v. Wade were Republican nominees. Republican judges voted unanimously to stop Nixon on warrantless wiretaps, Executive Privilege and Pentagon Papers. 2 of the greatest liberal judges in history (Brennan and Earl Warren) were Republican nominees. Half of the ‘liberal wing’ of today’s Supreme Court (Souter and Stevens) are Republican nominees. No Republican before Bush would have invaded Iraq — not the first Bush, not Nixon, not Eisenhower, not Reagan.

    It’s hard to believe these facts after 8 years of radical religious fanatics taking over the Republican party. Now we have ultra-left Obama podpeople taking over the the Democratic Party. The more votes McCain gets from the center, the more he can take his party back from right wing radicals. And the Dems deserve punishment for turning our party over to ultra-left radicals.

  148. texanforhillary – I agree – Ive noticed that Obama has not done anything to try to win over the voters – he just tried with the latinos but will it work – McCain is really trying to be more of a centrist – he’s trying to reach out even if he has disagreements – but at least he’s trying – Obama? What did he do? If he really wants to retain Hillary’s base he would have done it right away and immediately – the more he alienates this base the more he s in trouble – because these very bases will only continue to feel rejected and angrier

  149. IMHO,
    Obammerrhoid and crew aren’t going to do a d@mn thing to reach out to HRC supporters as it would run contrary to the gansta culture of
    “Bros before Ho’s.” In ganstaland, women know their place. Initiation rites for females includes gangsta-banging. The men accept the roles and so do the women.

  150. this is something we should point out HEAVILY

    anything that Obama does that critcizes you – copy it and save it to use as an aim

  151. mccain knows one must work to earn one’s vote. obama-one must pay loads of money to earna super’s vote

  152. texan4hillary – well-said

    “Obama = EARN MY VOTE”

    nice bumper sticker

    “Obama = YOU LOST MY VOTE”

    “OBAMA = YOU DONT CARE FOR ME!”

  153. # birdgal Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I haven’t seen any postings from dija. I hope, she is okay.
    ********************

    😀 you missed me!! LOL

    I am here, i haven’t been online this weekend (father’s day weekend) hubby came home friday after being gone for 3 weeks!
    so i have been busy with BBQ’s and packing(we’re moving in a month) he is leaving again tonight for another week
    i will be here for a bit now(he’s doing a oil change) and i will be around more tonight………well i need to go do a lot of reading to catch up here!

  154. I saw a reference to this when over at NQ realing about sweet and loving MO……

    There has been a lot of talk on the blogs about the Obama Campaign using the deceased on voter registration roll as “voters”.

    Now, we all know the dead have voted for Democrats for a very long time but someone in a comments box actually had, for once, a serious response to this….

    That is, for those who have had relatively recent (several years? who knows?) spouses or relations pass away, that they take the initiative to actually call the Supervisor of Elections in their community and make sure these names are removed from the list of registered voters to prevent further fraud.

    Oftentimes, as you can imagine, when a relative or spouse dies, the LAST thing on their minds would be “were they registered to vote?” And often times too, it takes years for the SS Death Index information to catch up to understaffed Voter Registration offices,.

    Although this may not be the most glamorous way to help Hillary (and all other legitimate candidates), it is a way…one dead voter won’t get to chose the nominee…..

  155. dogworld Says:

    June 15th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    I think this is a great blog.
    I would change the name, and get rid of the
    ladie’s room pink color.

    utter blaspheme!! but, welcome aboard, anyway. 🙂

  156. NewMexicoFan Says:
    “I am told yesterday that a Gay Hillary Delegate put an old car in the Albuquerque Gay Parade, right behind the Obama float with Hillary Signs. It got a big reception. The Local Democratic Party Fought it and lost. What courage that too. Reminds me of the courage that HRC showed in the campaign.”
    **********
    I LOVE IT!!!!!

    Overall, the picture looks bleak right now, but every day when I visit this site there are tales of resistance such as this one. We just need more, more, more of this.

    I hope Hillary knows about the people who are continuing to fight for her.

  157. Some have said that McCain has sought our vote, however, BO has not and he needs to seek us out. Now what exactly would it take or what could he say at this point that would convince us to roll over and vote for him.

    BO could personally come to my house and have a nice little chat with us and it would not make one whit of a difference.
    Barack Obama can NEVER EVER win us over.

    Roe v Wade…hey, many of us were in our 20’s when it was legalized. We lived through the “other” times. Birth control pills…hey, we lived through our teen years before they were available in our towns and there were NO clinics we could go to “secretly” and get them without it becoming common knowledge to family and the town.

    BO and the Democrats can’t threaten us. We’ve lived through it. AIN’T SKEERED!

  158. s-born

    their scare tactics are as adolescent as their “followers”. you are absolutely right..been there, done that. what a joke trying to threaten us.

  159. Norma
    That is, for those who have had relatively recent (several years? who knows?) spouses or relations pass away, that they take the initiative to actually call the Supervisor of Elections in their community and make sure these names are removed from the list of registered voters to prevent further fraud.

    This is true. My brother passed away 5 years ago, They are still sending mail telling him where to vote

  160. Canaan Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “We’re lucky it’s McCain running this year. A vote for him will improve both parties. It will pull the GOP toward the center, and keep the Dems from going further off center.”
    —————

    My thinking exactly.

    Just look at the facts. 5 of the 7 judges who voted for Roe v. Wade were Republican nominees. Republican judges voted unanimously to stop Nixon on warrantless wiretaps, Executive Privilege and Pentagon Papers. 2 of the greatest liberal judges in history (Brennan and Earl Warren) were Republican nominees. Half of the ‘liberal wing’ of today’s Supreme Court (Souter and Stevens) are Republican nominees. No Republican before Bush would have invaded Iraq — not the first Bush, not Nixon, not Eisenhower, not Reagan.
    ============================

    And McCain voted for Bill Clinton’s SC justices!

    Wouldn’t it be great if this election ended up reforming BOTH parties. At least the GOP, back to the sane (if stodgy) party of Eisenhower and Goldwater!
    a
    First, 4 years of Pres McCain across the aisle from Senate Lioness Hillary, that should clean up a lot of stuff, including the climate problems, I hope. Then in 2012, President Hllary takes over, and McCain retires back to the Senate.

  161. neetabug Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    Hillary better not except the VP position.

    I sure hope not! How dare they ask her to spend the rest of her active live (60-68) ironing Obama’s shirt!

    She has a great career in the Senate, which is a better path to the WH than any VP. VP would just put her out of action and trapped.

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

  162. neetbug,

    sorry, the no quarter link still hasn’t come up yet. I hate the filter system of this site. btw, i’m laughing my ass off reading comment on taylor marsh like this…

    Poor Taylor (none / 0) (#179)
    by Palomino on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:02:29 PM EST

    These days she’s tap-dancing double-time, with a fixed smile, like a corporate middle manager whose boss was fired after a hostile takeover and merger.

  163. # neetabug Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    mp
    But I will only vote or suport those DEMS that PUBLICLY supported clinton before Jun3rd and did not switch their support…

    My councilman endorsed Hillary then switch to O. I can’t wait till he runs again. I will let him have it when he knocks on my door asking for my support
    &&&&&&

    Neeta, you are so right.

    This isn’t some nice little game that we just played, and that now that the Dems “united”, we can all kiss and make up.

    We know the party was just hijacked, and the Dem leadership up and down the ballot stood passively by as caucuses were stolen, the RBC 5/31 Slaughter Board (“A(nother) day that will live in Infamy”), the quiet caving in across the board of SDs.

    We know where you folks govern, we know what stances you (did not) take, and we’lll be glad to remind you of how we feel in November.

  164. I hope Hillary will stay in her undisclosed location for two or three more weeks. There’s really no need for her to come back to town and tango with bambi/coward dean/botox pelosi.

    satire…

    THE WORLD) Where’s Hillary Clinton? Chappaqua? Washington? Has she returned to Iowa? Has anyone seen Hillary since she endorsed Barack Obama before an adoring crowd of her most ardent supporters?

    Philippe Reines, a campaign adviser, says that “she’s enjoying some well-deserved R&R,” but only Hillary knows for sure.

    Her sudden and mysterious disappearance has prompted New York publisher Little Brown to announce plans to publish a picture book, Where’s Hillary, modeled after the Where’s Waldo series published in the late 80’s and reissued in the 90’s.

    A spokesman for Little Brown says that they hope that the new Where’s Hillary book will track as successfully as its predecessor, a former number one children’s bestseller that continues to sell well in reissued format.

  165. I’ve been reading on No Quarter and The Confluence, that Coward Dean is trying not going to place Hillary on the ballot, for the roll call at the convention. Also, apparently, her delegates are being treated very poorly at meetings in WA and CA states. The unity slogan is crap.

    I hope, Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea are enjoying themselves, wherever they are.

  166. The entire ethanol – food-to-oil scheme is a despicable sham. I’m so glad Mccain has the guts to oppose it. I mean those Iowan farmers are getting all sorts of subsidies to convert corn into fuel. It has put people in third world in starvation, and we’re seeing oil prices keep on rising and rising. The democratic party is the biggest accomplice in this stupid scheme. Corn-for-fuel is not economically viable without government’s subsidies. Stupid, indeed. Sorry for my rant on this issue.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Large numbers of small to mid-size ethanol producers could shut down over the coming months after flooding across the US midwest caused irreparable damage to the year’s corn crop and pushed corn prices up sharply, says a report by Citigroup.

    At least five small to mid-size ethanol plants had shut down in recent days, said David Driscoll, Citigroup’s US food manufacturing analyst, in an equity research report.

    The widespread flooding, on a scale the region has seen only twice in the last 25 years, had forced down ethanol margins over the past 10 days, leaving small and mid-sized ethanol producers running at substantial losses against cash costs, Mr Driscoll said.

    “As a result of the rapid margin deterioration, we believe that many, if not all, of the small to mid-size producers will be forced to shut down over the next few months.” This could result in as much as 2bn-5bn gallons of ethanol going off-line in the next few months, he said.

    Mr Driscoll said corn – now selling at more than $7 a bushel, compared with about $4 a year ago – meant extreme tightness in the corn market, suggesting the increased potential for political intervention in ethanol markets.

    The intervention would be aimed at cutting ethanol output and bringing corn to the food market. Corn prices have risen by $1 in the last 10 days.

    “Just the spectre of political intervention will likely cause the market to question the magnitude of future biofuel growth, adding further pressure on valuations across the ethanol industry,“ Mr Driscoll said.

    This has led Citigroup to reduce its earnings-per-share estimates for ethanol companies and drop ratings to “sell” on those that are strictly into ethanol production, including VeraSun Energy and BioFuel Energy.

  167. I hate to keep giving this strategic piece to you in installment but I thought this part might remind us of why we are here.
    ———————————————-
    Hillary Rodham Clinton is the greatest political leader of our time. She is a former First Lady, a two term United States Senator (D-NY), and a highly effective public servant for 35 years. If you followed her senate career as I have and watched her in action then you know what I am saying is true. She entered the 2008 presidential race not as a woman per se, but as someone who would provide solutions to the country’s urgent problems, and a voice for millions of Americans who have been invisible to the power elites. She pressed hard for the full enfranchisement of all voters as she has always done. Along the campaign trail, women felt her compassion, men saw her conviction, and people began to realize that she was the only presidential candidate who understood their issues and had the moral courage to fight for them. Suddenly, the old right wing caricature of her no longer mattered. At the conclusion of the process, she won 18 million votes–more than any primary candidate in history, and the hearts and minds of millions more. I can attest to this because I served an unpaid campaign volunteer in five (5) states. During the primary season she faced seven different opponents, and an Iron Triangle of elite interests. They attacked her relentlessly on the basis of race, gender and character in the most abusive ways. The one thing they did not dare attack however was her love for this country and her faith in all of us which is true and adorable. In the end, they cheated her out of the nomination, we lost the leader we need at this critical moment in history, and now they ask us to fall in line. We will—when hell freezes over!

  168. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052&format=print

    “History tells us that the vast majority of pledged (Clinton) delegates will in fact be quite enthusiastic about Obama by the time they get to Denver,” said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard lecturer, a member of the Democratic National Committee and an expert on the nominating process.

    Kamarck, who supported Clinton in the primaries, said it was too soon to tell whether discontent among Clinton supporters becomes a significant factor or “whether it’s just magnified because we have the Internet.”

    Clinton has not formally released her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given the modern history of the party, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But that would depend on whether Clinton allows her name to be put forward for the nomination. Clinton hasn’t made that clear, but she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain.”

  169. been trying to post for AGES!

    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052&format=print

    “History tells us that the vast majority of pledged (Clinton) delegates will in fact be quite enthusiastic about Obama by the time they get to Denver,” said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard lecturer, a member of the Democratic National Committee and an expert on the nominating process.

    Kamarck, who supported Clinton in the primaries, said it was too soon to tell whether discontent among Clinton supporters becomes a significant factor or “whether it’s just magnified because we have the Internet.”

    Clinton has not formally released her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given the modern history of the party, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But that would depend on whether Clinton allows her name to be put forward for the nomination. Clinton hasn’t made that clear, but she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain.”

  170. Gosh, I haven’t visited mydudds for ages, it’s become a ghost town after Clinton supporters left in droves.

  171. SAO PAULO, Brazil — U.S. presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain supports ending subsidies for U.S. ethanol production and would back Brazil’s inclusion on an expanded United Nations Security Council, a Brazilian newspaper reported Sunday. In comments published by the Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, McCain also said he would support Brazil’s addition to the Group of Eight industrialized nations and lauded the nation’s drive to find clean energy sources. The United States has “committed a series of errors in not adopting a sustainable energy policy,” McCain was quoted as saying. “One of those is the subsidies for ethanol from corn.” McCain blamed the price supports for “destroying the market” and “causing a serious problem with inflation.” The Republican also blasted U.S. tariffs on Brazilian ethanol imports, saying that the Brazilian product made from sugarcane “is much more efficient than ethanol from corn.” Critics of the U.S. subsidies say spurring the planting of corn for use in ethanol has added to a sharp spike in global food prices. But White House economic advisers say corn-based ethanol is responsible for just 2 to 3 percent of the overall increase in food prices, which are up more than 40 percent this year over 2007. According to Estado de S. Paulo’s report, McCain also said he would back the entry of Brazil and India into a larger G-8 and would favor removing Russia from the group.

  172. NO WONDER BO wanted to get the DNC to Chicago so fast….

    can we say “deja vu?”

    Kennedy won the general election, narrowly defeating the Republican candidate, Vice President Richard M. Nixon, by a margin of less than 120,000 out of some 70,000,000 votes cast. Many observers, then and since, believed vote fraud contributed to Kennedy’s victory, especially in the critical state of Illinois, where Joe Kennedy enlisted the help of the ever-powerful Richard J. Daley

  173. norma,

    that’s an open secret. I can never understand the obsession over Kennedy. What has he achieved in his short reign?

    Gosh, I just read somewhere Kerry & Edwards are on bambi’s short list for V.P.

    Go Kerry, you go! What a great way to finish these two once and for all in Nov.

  174. NO WONDER BO wanted to get the DNC to Chicago so fast….
    *****************************************************
    NO, that’s where the Nation of Islam, Weathermen radicals, Black Nationalists, New Black Panther Party and other radicals and terrorists call home on both sides. That is one of my main problem with Obama his strong ties and associates where they know the national media is NOT going to come their and look over their shoulder.

    Leaders like John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean think they can control the situation but all they did was make a deal with the devil a nd hurt the DEMOCRATIC PARTY for a long time.

    The Democrats has lost major credibility with a lot of groups who will not trust them from now on. This is major rift that those drinking the kool-aid seem not to comprehend the seriousness of this. Major violations of citizens rights of freedom of speech and desent has been breeched by the Party that pretends to proclaim itself the keeper of equal rights and women rights but time and time again…the Neo-lib or Hard Left or whatever can be as totalitarian as any dictator can be.

    Obama’s campaign site is nothing but a bunch of indoctrination for all types of radical groups and you don’t do that unless you believe in the message.

  175. goof evening everyone,
    happy father day to all you dads out there. hope it was a great
    day for everone. in pittsbugh pa it is 80 degrees!
    here is a thought: i think we really need to work on getting hillary’s
    debt retired so she can be engerized when she goes to the convention.
    i feel no one can afford to let mr obama come near hillary to help
    her with her debt do you all agree?
    there is some movement in pennsylvania with sd’s also alot are
    talking, they see how mad there people are. so lets keep up the
    good work. lets keep sending e-mails to sd’s about how we feel and
    how hillary is the winning nominee.

  176. NYT article, explaining how Obama follows the George W. Bush model of “leadership” — delegate authority to everyone else and just focus on the “big-picture” stuff. In other words, be asleep at the wheel. Ugh…

    ——-
    June 16, 2008
    Obama the Delegator Picks When to Take Reins
    By JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG

    WASHINGTON — In the months leading up to Senator Barack Obama’s big loss in the Pennsylvania primary, he was a detached manager: around, but not meddling. Rarely on early-morning conference calls with his senior advisers, he delegated most decisions to others and did not immerse himself in all of the nuts and bolts of running for president.

    After that defeat in April, a friend gave Mr. Obama an urgent piece of advice: “Put your hand on the tiller.”

    [snip]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/16manage.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

  177. This is hilarious. Redstate just wrote a piece on incompetent coward… I mean, really: Howard Dean may be the most incompetent DNC chair in his Party’s history, but surely even he can display a certain raw animal cunning when his back’s to the wall like this.

    Here’s one response, hilarious.
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    Better Dean then someone competent. by PhxG
    This year we need all the help we can get.

  178. ru,

    For retiring HIllary’s debt visit Heidi Li’s blog Potpourri. She knows all about that and has a link direct to the right page to donate.

  179. At Obama’s Former Church, Hurt Lingers
    Black Congregations Feel Marginalized by Uproar

    By Eli Saslow and Hamil R. Harris
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, June 15, 2008; A01

    CHICAGO — They paraded through the summer-like heat last weekend in long dresses and suit coats, hundreds of families following the same paths that lead them to church every Sunday morning. They passed single-story houses and dilapidated parks before entering Trinity United Church of Christ on this city’s South Side.

    Across town, Sen. Barack Obama dressed in sneakers, jeans and a golf shirt. He was going biking with his wife and two daughters on a rare day off from the campaign. He strapped on a helmet, and his family pedaled north from their Hyde Park neighborhood, toward the big houses on the lake.

    A vast distance separates Obama from the church he quit last month, as hurt feelings continue to fester on both sides. Obama, his patience exhausted by the most recent controversial remark from a pastor, said in late May, “Our relations with Trinity have been strained.” And some of the church’s 8,000 members — as well as some other black pastors — feel abandoned, betrayed and misunderstood after their contentious turn in the national spotlight.

    This was not how it was supposed to be. Obama, the biracial presidential candidate who has pledged to unite Democrats and Republicans, rich and poor, blacks and whites, was going to provide an opening for Trinity and other black churches to shatter their stereotypes and bolster their national presence. Instead, a landslide of negative video of Trinity’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and right-wing political attacks left Obama’s former church and others like it even more marginalized and vilified.

    As the controversy over Trinity crescendoed earlier this month, the church’s new pastor, Otis Moss III, released a statement to his congregation: “We, the community of Trinity, are concerned, hurt, shocked, dismayed, frustrated, fearful and heartbroken. . . . We are a wounded people and our wounds, the bruises from our encounter with history, have scarred our very souls.”

    At the very core of its mission, Trinity seeks to reveal and broadcast racial inequalities. A product of black liberation theology, it teaches members to identify with their African roots and take pride in the African American experience. Sermons sometimes mingle biblical lessons with those learned from slavery or the civil rights movement.

    Last month, when asked why he wanted to preach at Trinity, Moss said: “This is a place where the struggle continues, where you can talk about real issues. We can recognize social injustice and then take it on.”

    Obama has largely sought to avoid discussing race or racism during his presidential campaign, except when it comes to this country’s ability to overcome it. His major speech on the issue in March was an attempt to quell controversy over Wright without making race part of his political platform. The Democrat casts himself as a unifier — the son of a white American woman and a black African man, shaped by white, working-class grandparents and South Chicago’s housing projects.

    “We may have different stories,” he said in March, “but we hold common hopes.” And commonality, Obama often indicates, is what Americans should spend their energy discussing, instead of what he termed Wright’s “divisive and destructive” rhetoric.

    Because of that divide, Obama sent a letter to the church in late May tendering his family’s resignation. Obama explained that it was with “some sadness” that he made the decision to leave the church where he discovered Christianity, married his wife and had his children baptized, but that he no longer felt comfortable being associated with the church’s provocative rhetoric.

    After Obama’s decision, Trinity officials stopped speaking with the media and encouraged members to do the same. They refuse to criticize Obama, as does Moss, saying only that he will remain in their prayers.

    Though several prominent pastors said Obama’s decision to leave Trinity might create minor friction with some black voters, it is highly unlikely that he will lose their support. Even most Trinity members don’t fault Obama, instead blaming the media and political attacks.

    “It is a particular tension around him and his church and his pastor that was very public,” the Rev. Jesse Jackson said. “That does not affect how he deals with the entire black church. . . . He met with a group of ministers last week. He has met with labor leaders. He has gone to college campuses. He has done my radio show.”

    But political and religious experts said Obama’s departure from Trinity has become a symbol of the further marginalization of black churches.

    “If a politician wants to move up in government, he can come to church and jump and shout,” said the Rev. Barbara Reynolds, a lecturer at Howard University’s School of Divinity. “But it is not okay to go to a church where they are speaking truth to power and talking about racism, sexism and capitalism.”

    Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said: “Barack Obama is running for president in a country where 70 percent of the people are white. They demand that he align himself to their dominant view.”

    When Obama announced his candidacy for president, Trinity expected the world to celebrate a church founded on the model of community activism that nurtured black church icons such as the Revs. Martin Luther King Jr., Ralph Abernathy and Jackson. Church leadership referred to Obama as their “chosen son.”

    Trinity sold his books in its bookstore and painted a stained-glass window that read: VOTE. Members talked about the possibility of sharing their pews with the first black president. On the rare occasions that Obama attended church, he sometimes received a standing ovation.

    “There was a lot of pride having him there, for all of us,” said Tony Johnson, a Trinity member since the early 1980s. “You could tell anyone in Chicago that you went to Trinity, and they knew about it because of him. Like, ‘Oh, that’s Barack’s church.’ . . . I don’t think any of us really saw a downside to it. We had a great member in a great church doing great things. What couldn’t you like?”

    As Johnson monitored news of his church during the past three months, though, he found a lot not to like. Wright, the author of more than 4,000 sermons, became a public caricature through inflammatory, 30-second sound bites. He reiterated his most divisive opinions during an appearance at the National Press Club in late April. In a last-ditch attempt at damage control on May 25, Trinity invited a white Roman Catholic clergyman to take part in a “sacred dialogue on race.”

    The result? During his sermon, the Rev. Michael L. Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying she cried about Obama’s candidacy because she thought: “I’m white. I’m entitled. There’s a black man stealing my show.”

    Johnson said: “It’s so frustrating to feel like all that gets talked about is these few bad things. We have so many great programs happening here, and they’re ignored. It’s like there are two different Trinitys: the one we know and love, and the one everybody hates and makes fun of on TV.”

    Said Renee Carter, another Trinity member: “Our church has received bomb threats, our members have been harassed, and our pastors have received threats on their lives.”

    It’s a scenario Wright never imagined when he took over a dying church of 80 members in 1972 and built it into a seven-day-a-week community center with child care, couples counseling and service trips to Africa.

    Trinity has drawn an economically diverse membership that includes Oprah Winfrey, rap stars and stockbrokers — but the church never moved away from the South Side train tracks. Wright preached fiery sermons about racial inequality and the scars of slavery — but he invited white youth groups to sit up front and listen.

    Trinity’s only method for recovery in Obama’s absence, members said, is a renewed devotion to those same principles. But that might be complicated. Wright had planned to retire June 1 and install Moss, his hand-picked successor. However, on last weekend’s service program, Wright remained listed as the senior pastor even as Moss delivered the sermon. Some church members said Wright might be interested in returning to the pulpit, and they remain unsure as to who’s in charge.

    During the past several months, Moss has relied on advice from his father, the Rev. Otis Moss Jr., a former pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta and a friend of King.

    “The black church will be fine,” the elder Moss said. “But we are facing one of the most significant, one of the most challenging and one of the most opportune moments in our history. That also means we are facing one of the most dangerous moments.”

    Said the Rev. Al Sharpton: “Historically, the black church is the only place that we could have our voices heard. It’s been the social, political and religious center of our community, and that can’t change for anybody. . . . I think Barack did what he had to do, but we still cannot compromise.”

    Obama has come up with his own plan for moving forward: He doesn’t plan to join another church, he said, until at least after the election.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/14/AR2008061401829_pf.html
    *****************************************************
    BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!

  180. John Kerry keen to be US’ top diplomat

    NEW YORK: John Kerry, who suffered defeat at the hands of President George Bush in last US elections, now harbours aspiration to become Secretary of State if presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama wins the race to the White House in November.

    Kerry, who is the third ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, is keen to be nation’s top diplomat but does not eye the bigger prize of vice-presidency, Newsweek on Sunday quoted an unidentified source close to him as saying.

    That could also well be the case for Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd, the committee’s second-ranking Democrat and for Senator Joseph Biden, the committee’s chairman, who is frequently mentioned by Democratic insiders as a potential Secretary of State though both might give the V-P post their first priority, the report said.

    Kerry is a decorated Vietnam War veteran, but because his Senate experience is in foreign relations rather than military affairs, he’s more intrigued by the State Department than the Pentagon, Newsweek said quoting the source. He also speaks fluent French.

    Dodd, meanwhile, has recently been showcasing his expertise on Latin America. At an April conference at the US Naval Academy, he laid out a blueprint for a “new relationship” between the United States and the region, the report noted.

    Dodd’s plan would include efforts to “dramatically improve” relations with Raul Castro’s Cuba by lifting a US trade embargo and travel ban.
    ————————————————————

    God help us, kerry, dodd, biden, these old, boring, male whiteys, can we round them up already??

  181. I just finished watching the Kite Runner, there will be no person remotely connected to a leader that would impose Shria Law that will get my vote!! All those women, young and old that are for Obama needs to watch the Kite Runner. Obama’s cousin Odinga will put in Sharia Law if he wins the election!! Obama campaigned for his cousing when he was in Kenya in 06′. No, no, no noObama for me!!

  182. Hi all:
    I notice the newest propaganda out everywhere including the ‘bought & paid for’ Taylor Marsh is –“Vote Obama” or it (we) will hurt Hillary (sort of like what the kidnappers say in B movies)

    Well, John Edwards sure as hell hasn’t been able to deliver the white working men—and I don’t hear any “blowback” against him….

    and Kennedy didn’t lift a finger for Carter–and it didn’t affect his senate career any–

    So this is more of the same–intimidation, propaganda & fraud…

    Let’s make sure NO ONE falls for this…..

  183. Obama is a danger to this country. Some cross-partisanship: “If the Republicans bring a knife, I’ll bring a gun.” Something to that effect. Supposedly, a line out of “The Untouchables.” Where is Elliot Ness, when we need him?

  184. spega,

    Taylor is another craze in these wild days, who cares about her anyway ? I love this:

    Poor Taylor (none / 0) (#179)
    by Palomino on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:02:29 PM EST

    These days she’s tap-dancing double-time, with a fixed smile, like a corporate middle manager whose boss was fired after a hostile takeover and merger.

  185. Yeah, are they threatening her, if her supporters don’t vote for her, her career is over or what is it exactly are they going to do to her? I don’t think America will stand by and watch that happen without a complete revolt…

    Nothing happened to Ted when he fought at the convention floor, so why are they threatening us women???

  186. spega Says:
    I notice the newest propaganda out everywhere including the ‘bought & paid for’ Taylor Marsh is –”Vote Obama” or it (we) will hurt Hillary (sort of like what the kidnappers say in B movies)
    =========

    Yep. I’m not quite sure how to reconcile that with Taylor saying that HIllary couldn’t possibly have been forced to say ‘vote for Obama’ last week. We’re supposed to take that speech at full face value — even though the DNC now is able to do unnameable horrors….

  187. Let’s see… It’s been a little over a week since Hillary suspended her campaign. Obama should be riding high. The DNC should be raking in $$$$. All Democrats should be joining hands in unity and singing “Shiny Happy People.” But has any of this happened? Has this been a good week for the Bambians? Doesn’t look that way to me.

  188. hmmm-they aint got the money. 1/2 the party aint gettin the money fromt he other half
    http://www.politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/14/dnc-convention-committee-faces-15-million-shortfall/#comments
    June 14, 2008
    DNC convention committee faces $15 million shortfall
    Posted: 11:33 AM ET

    The DNC’s host committee is facing a possible monetary shortfall.

    DENVER (AP) — The host committee for the Democratic National Convention faces a possible shortfall of $15 million, complicating logistics for the August event and forcing it to abruptly postpone a media walkthrough of the site scheduled for next week.
    The Democratic National Committee has asked the cash-strapped panel to raise $40.6 million by Monday to finance the event. Last month, the committee said it had just $25 million in cash, and it has failed to meet each of several fundraising deadlines since signing a contract with the DNC last year.
    Host committee members consistently have refused public comment on their fundraising efforts. Committee spokesman Chris Lopez could not immediately be reached by telephone Friday.
    Last week, Denver city auditor Dennis Gallagher sent a letter to Mayor John Hickenlooper saying taxpayers are concerned they may get stuck with the tab if Denver can’t come up with another $15 million by Monday.
    “I have people buttonholing me in coffee shops, corralling me along the 16th Street Mall, even stopping by my house asking how the city will be able to afford the convention if the fundraising
    efforts fall short,” Gallagher wrote. “Specifically people are asking me if Denver will have to use tax dollars to back-load any financial shortfall or even if the city is planning to use bond money to subsidize any shortfall.”
    Hickenlooper, who has traveled across the country seeking funds for the convention, has said he is confident the host committee will raise enough money by Monday’s deadline.
    The Democratic National Convention Committee announced Friday that it had delayed a session for the news media next Thursday at the Pepsi Center, site of the August 25-28 convention, and hoped to
    reschedule at a later date. “Postponing the event allows us to work through outstanding issues and ensure a successful event when media do arrive in Denver,” said Theodore LeCompte, the DNCC’s
    director of media logistics.
    A DNCC official who asked not to be identified cited financial and logistics problems for the delay.
    Earlier this month, the Denver 2008 Host Committee canceled 24 separate welcoming events around Denver for convention delegates.
    It decided instead that it will hold a single celebration to mark the rebuilding of areas affected by Hurricane Katrina.
    The committee denied the cancellations had anything to do with fundraising.
    The August 24 party, to be sponsored by the Friends of New Orleans, an organization supporting Gulf Coast rebuilding, will be held three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans and the Gulf
    Coast region.
    Filed under: AP • DNC

  189. Jen,

    I believe Hillary should stay out of spotlight as much as possible. She is the ONLY interesting candidate in the race. Without her, the media is losing interest, and both bambi and mccain are simply listless, same old, same old politicians. Bambi can’t utter a complete sentence without reading from his little teleprompter, mccain puts everyone into sleep while making a speech.

    Hillary, rest well, and do not jump into this bambi/coward dean/pelosi mess… Let them dance.

  190. what a mess coward dean has made, this entire Denver farce.

    Can Hillary and bill opt out of this insanity and go on a cruising vacation in August if they still insist on selecting this illegitimate nominee bambi?

  191. Well, John Edwards sure as hell hasn’t been able to deliver the white working men—and I don’t hear any “blowback” against him
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    Spega- problem is there are just not enough white working men wiht $400 haircuts and 10.000 sq ft mansions. It is what you might call a self-limiting demographic.

  192. I believe Hillary should stay out of spotlight as much as possible. She is the ONLY interesting candidate in the race. Without her, the media is losing interest, and both bambi and mccain are simply listless, same old, same old politicians. Bambi can’t utter a complete sentence without reading from his little teleprompter, mccain puts everyone into sleep while making a speech.
    Hillary, rest well, and do not jump into this bambi/coward dean/pelosi mess… Let them dance.
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    Sound advice kostner. Much as we miss her.

  193. Those little nasty bots have really invaded NO Quarter! I can’t read the comments without getting pist!
    The nasty little bots are blackballing MCCain service to our country, like any of them has been in a war like Vietnam. Those babies are still on Pablem.

  194. wbboei,

    democratic ‘leaders’ really crack me up from time to time. They seem to believe putting on a whitey male, a general will solve their ‘feeble’, ‘coward’ image. This sort of thinking process is almost as childish as a kindengardener.

    The truth: the way to attract white working men/republicans/independents is to show these voting bloc you’re tough, you will never quit, and you are resilient under pressure. Hillary has shown these qualities during the primary fight. That’s why her support among white working class male has been getting higher and higher … She used to lose to Obama among white male voters in early primaries.

    To put a trial lawyer who’s obsessed with his haircuts won’t do it.

  195. The bots, are another major reason, I will never, ever, vote for BO. How can they black ball McCain’s service? That is the epitome of crassness and nastiness. What evil beings.

  196. Yeah, are they threatening her, if her supporters don’t vote for her, her career is over or what is it exactly are they going to do to her?
    ———————————————-
    If they are it is a bluff. She cannot control what her supporters do and they know it. Moreover it is not that she has done but what the dnc/rbc has done that is the problem. Do they really want to up the ante on someone who is holding four aces?

  197. yep its a boring race now. they may need to boost ratings and releas a tape or two. viewership is waning. why? the candidate people wanted for president is dumped from her party and the msm. msm needs ratings. fast.

  198. The bullshit never stops. Linda Douglas – and her ridiculous Paris Hilton hairdo – spent months on various MSNBC shows (always ‘coincidentally’ siding w/Obama on issue after issue, and w/MSNBC anchor/douches on media protocol, however she was) always ID’d as a ‘reporter’, allowing the viewer to presume a ‘neutral’ opinion.

    Now, and after the fact – as always – the truth becomes clear.

    As Obama Aide, Reporter Dons Flack Jacket

    By Howard Kurtz
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, June 16, 2008; C01

    ST. LOUIS — As Barack Obama started fielding questions at a hospital here last week, Linda Douglass stood off to the left, scribbling in a reporter’s notebook, as she has in every presidential campaign since 1980.

    It wasn’t until 20 minutes later, when she shouted, “Last question!” that her former colleagues were reminded of her new role as a traveling spokeswoman who will be the public face — a female face in this post-Hillary period — of the campaign.

    After three decades as a television correspondent, Douglass is now on the inside — but still not getting all the answers. She recalls Obama telling her that he would not talk to her, let alone the outside world, about the vice-presidential selection process, saying: “We’re locking it down, we’re buttoning it up.”

    Which is fine with Douglass: “That was so the people who are trying to claw me every day won’t get anything. I expect to be kept in the dark.”

    Douglass, 60, who did her share of clawing while working for ABC and CBS, may be the highest-profile TV reporter to jump into presidential politics since NBC’s Ron Nessen became Gerald Ford’s White House press secretary in 1974.

  199. Clinton has not formally released her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given the modern history of the party, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But that would depend on whether Clinton allows her name to be put forward for the nomination. Clinton hasn’t made that clear, but she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain
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    My commitment is #1 the country, #2 Hillary, #3 the issues and #4 the party in that order. I have seen enough of Barack Hussein Obama (used to be Barry) to know he is BAD NEWS for the country. There is no way in gods green earth that I will vote for him–ever. I hope she puts her name forward but that is up to her.

  200. OK, gang, let’s sing a little song…

    Well, Dems ain’t got a barrel of money
    Howie looks ragged and funny
    But they fumble along
    Getting it wrong
    Side by side

    They don’t know what’s coming tomorrow
    Barry could bring them more sorrow
    But they travel his road
    Toting his load
    Side by side

    Through all kinds of scandals
    What if Whitey should fall?
    Just as long they’re together
    They won’t win voters at all

    When the Bots had their Kool-Aid and parted
    Hill will be the same as she started
    And we’ll travel along
    Singing a song
    Side by side

  201. Sorry to see douglass drink the koolaid but I saw thiis one coming when i was in Kitani Pa. Her husband is an arrogant dc lawyer who had a dinner for bambi when i was there. Sooner or later mish will get jealous, smack her down and that will be the end of dug out douglas. Wait and see.

  202. Bluedem- I have been thinking about your comments for a week and decided you were right after all about Rangel. My inclination was to give him the benefit of the doubt but not anymore. He could have given her the week she wanted just like the senators did. She acted upon her loyalty to him and it is clear to me now that that loyalty was misplaced. Sorry to say that. I wanted to like Charlie. . . .

  203. Michelle Obama to Taylor Marsh:

    Kissing my husband’s ass is not going to help my kids.
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    koster- Now thats what I call first lady material. Give me a fucking break. Hey mish what about whitey?

  204. wbboei,

    “Bluedem- I have been thinking about your comments for a week and decided you were right after all about Rangel.”

    What have I ever done that you should doubt me ? 🙂

    Plain as day his rush to judgement (making Hill rush) in a race that was HISTORICALLY close – and to which, whether an Obama-ite or Clintonite, there was serious question as to who won based on ‘the rules’, how the SD’s should choose, their legitimate criteria, etc – could only have self-motivation (and the motivation of his race, and not ‘the human one’) at its core.

  205. Rangel also rushed to judgment in siding w/Obama when, of course….

    THEIR ARE THESE RATHER MASSIVE FUCKING QUESTION MARKS ON THE GUY!!!!

  206. THERE.

    BTW, I don’t care for the way WordPress says
    “You’re Commenting Too Quickly, Slow Down” if you try to stop a comment or post a correction fast.

    Fucking bit rude, wouldn’t you say?

  207. Hi admin & folks:

    To add some fun to our daily blogging, can we have a competiton on Michelle imitation?

    Here’s one from me:

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    For the first time, in my adult life, I am proud to vote bambi off by voting Republican McCain.
    How’s that, Michelle?
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  208. One more (on Rangel’s rush), not to mention…

    the woman – and the record of her family – should have given her the time and space to pullout, tactically or not, when she deemed it appropriate.

    Total fuckin’ joke.

  209. From ‘no quarter’…

    I went to Sen. McCain’s town hall meeting for Hillary supporters on Saturday afternoon. Lots of Hillary fans in Hillary gear from NYC. We enjoyed the meeting with the Senator and he came across as very nice, personable, approachable, and we enjoyed talking with him. He’s a very good man who doesn’t pander. You may not like all of his views but at least he listens but doesn’t equivocate. He’s strong, solid and steadfast. He’s very likable and many of Hillary’s supporters will have no trouble supporting him should it come down to a choice of Obama or McCain on Nov. 4.

    Here’s a group photo of the gathering of Hillary supporters with John McCain.

    Carly Fiorina is in the foreground on the left.

    We all had a very good time and we felt very welcome at McCain HQ. Obama’s people have completely alienated us so if he loses, it’s their own damn fault. Every single negative comment towards Hillary or her supporters ever made will be that many votes times 1000 lost to Obama.

  210. Is this for real? Per ‘No quarter’

    I must admit I initially thought this was a farfetched question. But there is a significant body of evidence, some circumstantial, that suggests the answer may be “no.” An internet friend (Katherine) has pursued this relentlessly. She sent me the following:

    According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to “TWO” U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,“ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.

    But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya. Well, the Hawaiian law stiplulates that:

    …If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

    It appears that Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means she was shy of the 21 years of age required by the law. In other words, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At what point was Barack Obama Jr., son of Barack Obama Sr., recognized by the U.S. Government as an American citizen? When he moved to Indonesia with his mother and step-father in the mid-1960s I am assuming he had a U.S. passport.

    There is a law suit in the works. Of that you can be sure. As was noted in an early post today on No Quarter, Barack’s stubbornness on the birth certificate issue is keeping the matter alive. Not a good idea going into the General Election.

    I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

    Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. but the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?

  211. I’m glad the McCain people have been welcoming to us Hillfolks. When McCain comes to my area– and I’m sure he will since I’m in a swing state– I’ll go see him. I never did get a chance to see Hillary during the primary season, thanks to our idiotic Michigan politicians.

  212. An internal of the lastest N.V. poll smells trouble for Obama. Hispanics aren’t warming up to him yet, a sizeable defection of Clinton voters…

    In another crucial demographic, Obama, 46, prevails among Hispanic voters, with 53 percent, but nearly one-fifth are undecided and McCain still draws 28 percent.

    Hispanics are likely to be targeted by both campaigns as a perceived swing vote group, Duffy said. McCain already has aired ads on Spanish-language radio in Nevada.

    With 15 percent of Democrats saying they’ll vote for McCain and another 14 percent undecided, that’s 29 percent of his own party not currently supporting Obama, a high number that Duffy said might be the residual effect of Clinton’s candidacy.

    Both candidates have staked their campaigns on their appeal to voters who aren’t registered with a political party. In that group, McCain polled markedly better than Obama, 43 percent to 32 percent.

    A larger proportion of independents, 25 percent, were undecided than any other demographic group in the poll.

    Pollster Coker said that with Democrats ahead in voter registration in Nevada and the national mood hostile to Republicans, McCain will have to hold on to his lead among independents in order to have a chance in the state.

    “This race is going to be a battle for independents, and right now, in the battle for independents, McCain is ahead,” he said.

  213. It’s one thing to vote for McCain/Hillary 2012, it’s another to want to support or actually want to be embraced by him. Ick. I have no interest in McCain or his politics. No interest in talking to him, meet him, volunteer for him, or be in one of his conference calls. Hell, the man blasted the Supreme Court for its Guantanamo ruling. Idiot.

    But I’m voting for McCain despite him being McCain. There’s nothing he can do or say to woo me; or make me NOT vote for him.

    It’s all for Hillary2012, and as they say, the end justifies the means.

    I like many of you guys here and I respect whatever you guys do. All of us here have the same goal – to tank Bambi.

  214. Shame about Linda Douglass. This is the first time I heard of Linda joining the Obama camp.

    I remember Linda Douglass as a political reporter for KNBC in Los Angeles way, way back when. She clearly had no agenda and was just a reporter’s reporter. Always professional.

    I think she joined some political newspaper recently and I saw her on C-SPAN about 5 months ago. She was insightful and seemingly neutral.

    Very surprised by this turn of event. All the “journalists” have disappointed me this campaign season.

  215. filbertsf,

    I don’t care much about mccain myself, but for me it’s all about the end justifies the means.

    if it’s a pig vs. bambi, i’ll vote the pig for a heartbeat. So this is really a no brainer.

  216. About Linda Douglass — when I read this passage in the Washington Post, I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry (below). If Obama were actually electable, we’d see a cabinet comprised of Gloria Borger, Roland Martin, Keith Olbermann, Donna Brazile, and the rest of those hacks…

    —–
    “The thing that really made me feel at peace with the decision is this conversation [Obama and I] had about telling the truth,” she says. “He wants me to tell the truth. Coming from a background in journalism as opposed to PR, that was really the thing I wanted to hear.” [Berkeley Vox says: guess you couldn’t tell the truth about being in the tank for Bambi when you were doing your objective “reporting”, eh?]

    At first, “I was afraid I’d slip into on-one-hand/on-the-other-hand mode. I think reporters are constantly struggling with themselves to suppress their own opinions.” Because she believes in Obama’s message, Douglass says, “for me this is really liberating.”

  217. A little humor to lighten things up…

    So, Chris Rock, who I’m a huge fan of and who supports Obama, did a stand-up routine at the Bonnaroo music festival in Tennessee this weekend. If you know Chris Rock, you can envision his delivery… so he made a couple of great jokes about Obama, one being that it’s impossible to question the guy’s blackness — “look at his name — he sounds like a bass player for the Commodores!” …He also said America’s ready for a black president. But… (pause for effect) … it ain’t ready for a black first lady!

  218. Here’s a better description:

    ——-
    Chris Rock performs for Bonnaroo masses
    By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment WriterSat Jun 14, 6:13 PM ET

    Comedians will often talk about “the room” — how it feels, whether it’s good or not, how to work it.

    Chris Rock played to a room Friday night that few comedians could command. Rock performed his act in front of tens of thousands on the main stage of the Bonnaroo Music & Arts Festival. Following him was Metallica, who had the benefit of screeching guitars, a dynamic light show and pyrotechnics.

    Rock had only himself and a microphone, but nevertheless appeared to have the festival crowd hanging on his every punch line. Addressing the Bonnaroo crowd, which has traditionally been on the hippie side since it was founded in 2002, Rock mock-chastised them for taking what he called “performance-enhancing drugs.”

    “You all should be ashamed of yourselves for taking an antidepressant to see a comedian,” said Rock. “I am an antidepressant!”

    Rock, who recently took his “No Apologies” tour abroad where he in London set a record for the largest standup performance in the United Kingdom with a crowd of about 14,500, didn’t do much to tailor his act to the Bonnaroo crowd.

    However, there was surely more people there than the London audience; the festival typically draws nearly 80,000 and the majority of Friday’s festival-goers watched Rock perform. Metallica’s Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett introduced Rock while many of the other comedians performing at the festival — Zach Galifianakis and Brian Posehn among them — watched from backstage, naturally curious at how Rock would work the outsized room.

    “60,000 people is too many for standup,” said Rock’s friend and frequent collaborator Louis C.K., who flew to the festival with Rock and performed his own set Saturday. “Even if 40,000 love you, you’re still bombing really hard.”

    But Louis C.K. was impressed by how well Rock commanded the audience: “That’s a big crowd to be winning over with jokes.”

    Rock quickly launched into politics and the presidential candidates’ false claims of modesty.

    “How many Kanye injections must you endure” to decide you should be president, Rock joked, referring to Kanye West, who was to perform late Saturday night at Bonnaroo.

    Some of Rock’s best material was about the presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, who Rock supports. The comedian said he was impressed by Obama’s unmistakable blackness, joking that his name makes him sound like “the bass player for the Commodores.”

    Though Rock thinks America is “ready” for a black president, he doesn’t think it’s ready for a black first lady. When the crowd oohed, Rock insisted, “Yeah, I said it. At Bonnaroo I said it.” His reason? Rock believes a black woman could never be in the background of a relationship, and that Obama would have been better off marrying a white woman: “Look what it did for Tiger Woods,” he said.

    One of Rock’s best bits came while discussing rising gas prices despite the war in Iraq, which some predicted would help keep oil under control.

    “Let me tell you something,” said Rock. “If I invade IHOP, pancakes are going to be cheaper in my house.”

  219. late night conspiracy theory – but many of us have been starving the DNC beast, and yet why aren’t BO’s Democrats he registered during the primary giving to the DNC to help them raise that 15 mil?

    Wondering if BO/DNC’s doing this on purpose – so they can try to move the Convention to Chicago and use money as the excuse. Wasn’t there that rumor recently?

  220. “The thing that really made me feel at peace with the decision is this conversation [Obama and I] had about telling the truth,” she says. “He wants me to tell the truth. Coming from a background in journalism as opposed to PR, that was really the thing I wanted to hear.” [Berkeley Vox says: guess you couldn’t tell the truth about being in the tank for Bambi when you were doing your objective “reporting”, eh?]
    At first, “I was afraid I’d slip into on-one-hand/on-the-other-hand mode. I think reporters are constantly struggling with themselves to suppress their own opinions.” Because she believes in Obama’s message, Douglass says, “for me this is really liberating.”

    Somehow I’m seeing Gilderoy Lockhart hiring Rita Skeeter.

  221. i know so many hertbroken bc hillary is being jilted out of being our next prez. repubs i know have veencalled here honestly upset. they say they misjudged her-admire her fight till the end toughness. they are sad. they dont are much for the gop these days. they wanted to vote for a dem they could trust on security. she worked damned hard and earned the trust of many repubs on the local level. only hillary has the known brand on the economy. healthcare. as my midwestern g-ma said to me-the country is going to hell and i get to choose between a guy who has senior moments and fully backs this stupid war and another GUY who cant run his own campaign or offer any real details about policy.

  222. Obama camp is looking at ways to win without Ohio and Florida. Looks like they are beginning to see how tough things are going to be.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_strategy

    I like the say the article ends: “(Plouffe) wraps up the pitches by asking Democrats to imagine Obama taking the oath of office.”

    Now that’s scary.

  223. Not only does Obammerrroid say he can win without Florida, Ohio, Michigan, typical bitter white Americans, Pennsylvanians, West Virginians, women, Jews, Hispanics, garlic-noses, gays, but the key to his ‘strategy’ is to register new black voters in southern states like Georgia.
    Deaniac and Cruella’s ‘NEW” coalition.

    Messge to the base: STAY HOME.
    No no no, Donna baby. We’re voting for Johnny.

    👿

    As one poster said, is he now going to diss all the states he lost during the primaries? that bodes well for Johnny-Mac.

  224. confloyd,

    I have done a lot of research into FGM and it is a horrifying practice.

    A group of Muslim women recently appealed to the UN to give those who wanted to escape the ritual by fleeing to other countries refugee status and grant them political sanctuary but the UN turned them down.

    Many are ‘circumsized’ when they’re only 12 or 13.

  225. Will Clinton supporters jump to McCain?

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/15/ap-will-clintons-base-jump-to-mccain/#more-3091

  226. confloyd Says:
    Yeah, are they threatening her, if her supporters don’t vote for her, her career is over or what is it exactly are they going to do to her? I don’t think America will stand by and watch that happen without a complete revolt…

    Nothing happened to Ted when he fought at the convention floor, so why are they threatening us women???

    You said it all Confloyd. We as a society still disregard women so much that the DNC knows they can threaten her. Not only that try and bully her into dropping out. When will women wake up?

  227. texan4hillary Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 4:30 am
    i know so many hertbroken bc hillary is being jilted out of being our next prez. repubs i know have veencalled here honestly upset.
    ———————————————-
    Call me delusional if you like but I believe this thing is far from over. It is a long way from now til August end and longer still to November. I heard financial supporters are refusing to support him, and that means he may have to finance the entire convention. At some point they will have to stop referring to themselves as democrats and start calling themselve what they really are which is to say obamaites. As for example: Wexler (O-Fl)

  228. Morning Idunn….confloyd, dedfg….it’s not only about sexism, it’s about CLINTON. She is a centrist candidate (certainly compared to Mr. Leftist) and the fact is, the DNC leadership (if you can call it that) is SO entrenched AGAINST Clinton, t is personal as much as a difference in political philosophy. THIS is what compounds the anger of the base AND her supporters. The DNC has NO RIGHT to tell the voters ANYTHING in their meta messaging….”we hate Clinton” and they are wrapping all their personal animosity in all sorts of pretty packaging to disguise this one huge fact.

    Screw them.

    Because 18 million said so.

  229. It is not in the interest of Hispanics to support Barack Hussein Obama, any more than it is in the interests of working class people, seniors, women or other Americans. Anyone who analyzes what has occured in this campaign will not be seduced by bambi or his surrogates. The issue is character or in his case the lack thereof. Remember the NAFTA issue. The guy is not to be belived and when the chips are down he folds as in the Ecelon matter. Hispanics are a natural contingency for Republicans given their commitemet to church and family. I cannot believe they are keen on Wright or particularly Pheglar. And they will need to be reminded how badly bambi treated hillary-I can do that. McCain is pro compreensive immigration reform so whats not to like.

  230. Things that make ya go “hmmmmm”

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/have-we-just-witnessed-obamas-hostile.html

  231. Kostner: thanks for posting the reaction to the mccain meeting with hillary fans. Sounds like it was a rousing success. He is a man of character unlike Barack Hussein America and you would not be ashamed to see him representing our country abroad as you would wiht bambi et ux. Speaking of the ux how many foreign dignitaries do you think mish could insult in a single evening. She would give new meaning to the term ugly American-not gonna kiss his ass child. Yes, McCain is presidential material.

  232. The confluence of sleep deprivation and the sudden death of Tim Russert are obviously getting to me. I realize there are alot of rituals and customs surrounding death-like bury the body same day, surviving spouse to wait a respectable period before dating etc. But after hearing about how it saturated the news programs this weekend and is still in print media this morning I realized this long cocktail line will not end anytime soon. In life Timeh, pumpkinhead call him what you will was a bully and a lousy journalist who snarked down 10 million a year, but in death he was always fair, a giant in the field, a truly compassionate man, a fighter for the truth. If you saw the movie Casa Blanka then you may remember the famous line by Humphrey Bogart as he looked over the dead bodies of two late members of Rommels AfricaCorps: Yesterday they were German clerks. Today they are the honored dead.

  233. wwboei: I heard the last part of the conference call, and McCain sounded interested in taking questions and listening to people’s concerns. At the end, the moderator said, “Time for one more question.” McCain said, “I’ll take 3 more questions.”

  234. birdgal: ““Time for one more question.” McCain said, “I’ll take 3 more questions.”

    this is a far cry from the one and only “real” press conference on Rezko where Barry said SOMETHING like “aw c’mon guys, I’ve answered like, um, eight questions….” and then promptly left.

    Why is it, one may ask themselves, while the man who deems his ability to handle the issues “Presidential”, why will this same man NOT stand before Americans, either in a series of Town Halls with McCain OR even in impromptu Press Conferences and let the people REALLY LEARN about him?

    This question, of course, is rhetorical,.

  235. birdgal: cool. btw there have been two incidents of record where bambi surroagates are threatening to launch a start wars kind of attack against mccain if he goes after bambi. I have been calling them hitlerjuegen on this site for over a year now, and everthing I have seen them do in the interim confirms this. On a different level, I find it humorous that these bots would think they could scare a guy who spent six years in the hanoi hilton with this sort of drivel, but I do not dismiss their ability to wreak havoc. But when the day comes that we capture one of them that is when it will get fun and we may have something to talk to the us attorneys office about.

  236. And Nomadesmond: why is he willing to meet with foreign dictators without preconditions but unwilling to meet with bill orielly at fox news?

    Like Gertude Stein said of Oakland: there is no there there.

  237. I think this has been posted before, but it is a great idea….

    Conversely, if you think it a better option to DONATE the $2-3 dollars it will cost for a car and postage to pay down her campaign debt, please DO. NoQuarter has a link, as does her website. If you can afford to, do both!

    Thank you card campaign:
    Flood Senator Clinton’s DC office with thank you cards.
    On the front of the envelope, write “WE ARE ONE OF 18 MILLION” and ask her to take it to Denver!

    THE ADDRESS:
    THE HONORABLE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
    UNITED STATES SENATE
    476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING
    WASHINGTON DC 20510-3202

    If everyone can all send her a card with this message, that would be great!

  238. I think we need to stop calling Obama bots and trolls “bots and trolls”

    I think we should call them “Typical Trolls”. This not only marginalizes their creativity and quest to BE something in the eyes of their savior, but references their leader’s disdain for the “average” in anything right back to them….

  239. I just think we need to throw this sexism back and see how Obama, the DNC, and the media like it!

    Women of the world unite!!! 🙂

  240. Thanks Norma. Great idea.

    You probably remember William Holden the actor. He played opposite Gloria Swanson (the other Norma Desmond) in Sunset Boulevard.

    I have a friend who is a highly educated Cuban whose family was chased out of Cuba in 1959 by Fidel. They were a deeply religious family–crosses and statues of the Virgin Mary were everywhere.

    One night they were sitting around the dinner table the father mother son and daughter talking about nothing in particular. His devout mother told all of them how much she loved them and how much they meant to her but went on to say if William Holden ever walks across my path all bet are off.

  241. Found this over on hcsjm.com
    Hmmmmm do you think someone is looking into this?

    Date and Time 6/15/2008 11:00 pm

    User Name Vanessa

    Subject Investigative Contact Info

    Comments Being troubled about the possibility of our country invaded by the enemy within, I have taken it upon myself to research some contact information. The circumstances surrounding Barry’s birth just really don’t add up, therefore; I thought I would provide the following contact information for several agencies under FBI authority. In the spirit of freedom and independence, I will do all I can do to determine Barry’s Constitutional qualifications for the Presidency.

    FBI Honolulu

    Prince Jonah Kuhio Federal Building

    300 Ala Moana Boulevard, Suite 4-230

    Honolulu, HI 96850

    Honolulu@fbi.gov

    Kenya (Africa)

    American Embassy

    Nairobi Kenya

    011-254-20-363-6000

    FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC

    J. Edgar Hoover Building

    935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW

    Washington, DC 20535-0001

    (202) 324-3000

    And last but not least……..

    The FBI Illinois Corruption Hotline

    1-877-U-TIP-OFF

    1-877-884-7633

  242. Here is a post to this comment above that I posted over on camille424

    Hi Marie…. yeah, there has been some stuff over the last couple of days. Here and No Q re:BO’s birth cert. and that although his mother says he was born in HI the hosp has no records of such.

    So I guess we shall see. There may be some problems with the frauds story.

  243. EXCELLENT post admin! Sheesh. I feel badly for the fact that he died and that his family has to endure the grief of losing a loved one, but let’s keep it real here can we? This nonstop coverage just shows the bandwagon mentality that has besieged much of this nation. That’s one of the ways it was so easy for BHO to grab the minds of as many as he has. People need to wake up and use their brains instead of letting someone tell them what to think! I feel badly that Russert’s passed away, but I’m glad he will no longer be able to pollute the airwaves with his nonsense. I recorded several of the debates onto dvd and one in particular where he was especially assholish to Hillary. Even my mother, a BHO supporter, thought he was out of line. Let’s not pretend as though he was some “unbiased” saint.

  244. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Not only on Saturday did he say 3 more questions, when they brought out that other women they suggested he had an affair with, he held a press conference, and he kept it going a long time until every question was asked. At the end it think he even said are you sure there are not any more questions on this matter. Very different from not only O but also GWB.

    McCain is not afraid of answering the questions from the Press and from the People.

    O wants to win with new voters, and to H with women, blue collar, gays, and winning the popular vote.

  245. whats going on today? The site would not come up thru google, I had to go thru Yahoo. Something must of happened bc that only happens when there is some news that just broke??

  246. June 15, 2008): “The Fall & Rise of Hillary Clinton” (NY Mag) – Hillary Defends Her Supporter’s Rage About Sexist Media!

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    Hillary is fearless and on target! She gets it and she gets us!

    Quote:
    But the Clintons’ frustration with Obama’s people pales beside the simmering anger they harbor toward the media. And in this they are not alone. For months now, my e-mail box has been full of messages from women across the country, explaining what Hillary’s run meant to them, why it was so important. The reasons vary depending on age and race and region, but the one element almost all my correspondents express in common is a furious resentment at the press for what they see as blatant misogyny in the coverage of Clinton.

    When I mention this to Hillary, she laughs and exclaims, “I’d love to get a look at your e-mail!” And then, more soberly, she goes on, “There’s a reason for the resentment. The level of dismissive and condescending comments, not just about me—what do I care?—but about the people who support me and in particular the women who support me, has been shocking. Shocking to women and to fair-minded men. But what has really been more disappointing to me is how few voices that have a platform have spoken out against it. And that’s really why you seen this enormous grassroots outrage. There is no outlet. It is rare that you have anybody on these shows or in a position of responsibility at major publications who really says, ‘Wait a minute! What are we talking about here? I have a wife! I have a daughter! I want the best for them.’ ”

    Clinton is fairly worked up now, but she’s far from finished. “I didn’t think I was in a position to take it on because it would have looked like it was just about me. And I didn’t think it was just about me. So the only time we took it on was in the thing about Chelsea, which was so far beyond the bounds, I mean, what planet are we living on? But nobody said anything until I made it an issue. So I just want everybody to really think hard about the larger lesson here. I know you can’t take me out of the equation, because I’m in the center of the storm. But it’s much bigger than me. And women know that. Because if it were just about me, those who sympathize with me would say, ‘I’m so sorry.’ But instead it’s, ‘Wait a minute! This is not just about her! It’s about us! And when are we going to see somebody stand up and say, What are you doing here?’ ”

    Clinton made a point of not naming names in the course of her media critique. But when I ask her former staff for particular examples of sexism in the press, they exhibit less restraint. “The whole MSNBC crew,” says Lewis. “I mean, at what point in Chris Matthews’s career do we choose? Then there was night on CNN when [Republican strategist] Alex Castellanos said, Well, it’s appropriate to call some women a white bitch because that’s what they are.” What especially galls Clinton’s fans about her coverage is what they perceive as a double standard regarding race and gender that (among other biases, in their view) tilted the media playing field dramatically toward Obama. The argument, roughly put, is that whereas casual sexism takes place with impunity, the slightest hint of racial bias provokes gales of protest. I ask Clinton if she agrees. She says she does: “The contrast between the outrage over anything concerning race compared to anything concerning gender was incredibly out of balance, I thought.”
    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=187286#post187286

  247. A FINE RESPONSE BY RIVERDAUGHTER TO TRAITOR MARSH’S INCESSANT ENTREATY TO DEFECT TO OBAMBI JUST CUZ TAYLOR DID AND HAS NO SENSE OF THE NUANCES BUT IT MAKES HER OWN LIFE EASY
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    Taylor, why is this so difficult to understand? This issue goes way beyond Hillary at this point. It has to do with the integrity of the primary process, the legitimacy of the presumptuous nominee and the corruption of the DNC. We have a big problem here. I know that Hillary is throwing her support behind the party. I know she is a loyal party member. I know she has to walk a fine line. But she does not control us. She can not whip us into shape and if we see something horribly wrong with the party, it is our duty to put an end to it, not enable it.
    Our votes are not necessarily transferable. Obama has done nothing to earn them. So, he is not entitled to them. When or if he decides to get right with us, we may consider voting for him. Or, some of us may vote for McCain in order to purge the Democratic party of the Dean Democrats. But whether YOU like it or not is really of no concern of ours.
    We have the votes. We have the power. That’s it. We’re not messing around and if the big boyz don’t start dancing to our tune, we will vote in a manner that to us makes the most sense.

  248. Patti Solis-Doyle has joined the general election campaign of Obama. So this is why I haven’t been able to get on!! At this point, who cares???

    I read over at rezko watch that Blogjevich impeachment proceedings will begin after August and the republicans now have evidence that Obama was on the take with the governor.

  249. FYI on Write in Hillary Clinton-

    I got this in my mail today. It probably should be spread around to the WRITE IN HILLARY GROUPS and in general posts.

    BOTTOM LINE, CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS BOARD

    “I e-mailed my local election board in Maryland and asked about wirting in Hillary Clinton for President because I will never vote for Obama. Unfortunately, unless Hillary files as a write-in candidate, the votes will not count. This is the reply from my election board:

    .
    “Yes, the candidates have to file papers to register as a write-in candidate. If they do not register as a write in candidate, then the non-registered write-in votes are not counted since there can be a plethora of names with single votes. Since Mrs. Clinton lost the Democratic nomination, she is not considered and cannot be a filed write in candidate because she lost the Primary Election. This is called the loser law. Basically if you lose the Primary, you can’t run in the General. So even if she had enough people that wrote her name on the ballot to beat Mr. Obama, she could not win.”

    I wanted to raise awareness because so many Hillary supporters are saying they would write her in. It would be a wasted vote. Anybody who wants to oppose Obama in November can: abstain from voting, vote for McCain, or Nader. Unfortunately write-in votes will not count, at least in the State of Maryland.
    Please encourage your supporters to contact their State Election Board to find out if this is also the case in their respective states.

  250. I have noticed some of our people are still fighting a rear guard action over at Taylor Marsh. It is a losing battle. Taylor is no longer telling the truth.

  251. I read over at hcsfjm that an Alqueda terrorist has a son working for Obama’s campaign. I wonder who the terrorist is and what is the name of the man working for Obama!

  252. Confloyd….unless this can be PROVEN TRUE, this is the type of thing that discredits the McCain Campaign and spreads stupid rumors. There are PLENTY of real stories about Obama that we can run with that actually CAN be proven.

    Perhaps someone can put this connection together, but without any substantiation, this is the stuf that turns folks off….it could even be a plant by a Typical Troll to make the McCain/Hillary folks look like…dare I say it…racist! HA!

    Anyway, I think we really need to press the BC thing. I think THAT story has legs. Too much obfuscation, ESPECIALLY when the BC magically appears on Kos and Huff in the form of a pdf file at the same time.

    Two COMPLETELY DISCREDITED SOURCES for accurate or objective reporting on Obama have never been created. Therefore, by extrapolation, the thing is a ruse and a fake.

    Let’s see a REAL reporter do some REAL investigative journalism. Maybe if there is truth to it and it can be proven, we won’t have to deal with Typical Trolls any more, or, the candidate himself. It would be ILLEGAL for him to be the President.

    NOW is time for HOPE! and a few good patriotic legal eagles.

  253. Norma a picture is worth a thousand words. Check out the pic that is on Rezko Watch and come back and tell me that!

  254. I hate to say this BUT write-in votes are useless. We need to STOP OBAMA and you have to make a choice. Either vote for McCain (mychoice) or Nader but write-in votes are considered mainly wasted opportunity.

    Country above party…this is what I’am are saying. I would LOVE for the Democratic Party to come to their senses but I don’t think they will and we don’t have time to waste.

    As long as the MSM is being propagandists instead of seekers of the truth will have to stay mentally strong and focus.

  255. pls read –its someone @hillforum and i like this idea -May be we should do this too -find our sd,s who supported OBAMA –

    ******Send Your Condolences Today *****

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    Ok, 11 sympathy cards, Upon the Death of the Democratic Party, are ready to be stamped and mailed to my 11 local SDs who backed BO.

    All contain a letter from me outlining why I support Hillary and why she should be the nominee. All explain why I won’t support BO (and his circle of named friends) and will vote McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. All address the hijacking of the Democratic Party by the DNC and the overt sexism and Hillary bashing. All contain a lovely sympathy card.

    I am sending three positive letters to the 3 SDs who originally supported Hillary, stressing why I think they should continue to support her and why BO is not the best candidate, and how people will transfer loyalty to McCain and not “fall in line” behind BO.

    Sympathy cards and letters will also go to Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile. It would be great if I could blanket ALL the turncoat SDs, but I have neither the time nor the money. However, besides Pelosi, Dean and Brazile, is there any other major people you’d like me to include on my sympathy list?

    Maybe you can try sending your own sympathy cards. Let them truly know how sad we are. Actually, how sad they are.

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=187407#post187407

  256. Jan- there have been several examples of this which are more concrete but less important in the scheme of things. The one that pushed me over the edge is more subtle but far more important. It has to do with Taylors desperate attempt to convice herself that Hillary has swallowed Obamas bullshit in toto which I can never believe. Taylor may be able to do that kind of about face but Hillary is a woman of character. Riverdaughter who is one of the most perceptive bloggers I have seen captures this well and that is why I posted it above. I could go back and show mor concrete things if that is important.

  257. 6/16/08 NQ) Breaking: It’s not a rumor any more (Dean discouraging placing Hillary’s name onto the first ballot because of party unity)

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    Quote:
    Being unable to find a definitive answer to this question I called the DNC this morning and spoke with a woman in the Chairman’s office. HERE is what I learned in that phone call today:

    I explained to DNC employee in the Chairman’s office that I was confused by what I had read and asked her if what the New York Times article said was true. Was Dr. Dean discouraging placing Hillary’s name onto the first ballot because of party unity?

    Her answer shocked me. She told me it was true. She said that Hillary Clinton had decided to support Barack Obama, therefore her name would not be placed on the ballot.

    So I then asked her if Hillary Clinton had decided that she did not want her name placed into nomination on the first ballot. Her answer was that she couldn’t speak for Hillary Clinton. At least she got that much right. And she and the DNC do not speak for Hillary supporters either.

    I do not know where this will go from here but I do know that history and precedent favor placing Hillary’s name on the first ballot. If Dean and his puny 167.5 delegates got onto the ballot (in 2004), then the person with the most votes in Democratic primary history certainly deserves equal treatment. Anything less isn’t fair or right. And it sure isn’t party unity.

    Stay Tuned!

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06…ore/#more-3097

  258. Thanks wbboei.

    I haven’t been on her site for a while so I wasn’t sure if there was more. She has really lost my respect.

  259. Kostner, Did you notice the person holding up the poster had a mask over his face?? I also wonder if they were at an Obama Campaign stop???

  260. From No Quarters: POLL: Obama Unelectable in Arkansas

    I am one of those Democrats who actually enjoys winning an election from time to time. Other Democrats, particularly recent Republican converts and others who fashion themselves “Libertarian Democrats,” prefer to lose, which is why they support Barack Obama. Many of these recent arrivals to my Party support him in order to climb some imaginary political social ladder. Thinking of themselves, they can care less if the working poor suffer for another four years. Then there are the low information voters who have no idea why they support Barack Obama. Although they cannot be faulted, they can be held accountable.

    Above average voters, the citizens of Arkansas are different. Indeed, 56% of voters in Arkansas surveyed in a Rasmussen Reports poll released today understand what we have been arguing for months: Barack Obama is too inexperienced to serve as President of the United States. This may explain why 54% of Arkansans still have an unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama. How can one win a state when over half of its residents view you with an unfavorable regard, especially when 57% of those voters view your Republican opponent favorably?

    Obama trails McCain in Arkansas 39% to 48%, and only 69% of Arkansas Democrats plan to vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee. Compare this to the last hypothetical matchup between Hillary Clinton and John McCain on 12 MAY 2008, when Clinton trounced McCain 59% to 39%. The Arkansas Times could not be more succinct in the article they published on 12 JUNE 2008: Democrats “likely will be hard-pressed to win the state in November’s general election” now that Hillary Clinton is not the presumptive nominee.

    Is this how Democrats win elections? Do we win elections by conceding entire states? This appears to be the Democrats’ strategy, which may explain why Obama and McCain are locked in a statistical dead heat at a time in the cycle when Democrats are normally leading their opponents by double digit margins.

    Superdelegates still have a chance to nominate the electable Democrat. Will they do it? Or will they hand Arkansas and its six electoral votes over to the Republicans? Because I am interested in winning elections, I hope they will cast their votes for Hillary Clinton at the convention in Denver.

  261. Per WSJ, culture of corruption, Obama style…

    The Countrywide Financial sweetheart loan scandal continues to grow, spreading to Senators and other Beltway potentates. We are about to find out if Congress’s passion for investigating business ethics extends to conflicts of interest and cash that involve fellow Members.

    Take Senator Kent Conrad, the North Dakota Democrat whose office issued a Friday statement saying that “I never met Angelo Mozilo.” What he did not say then but admitted under later questioning by a Journal reporter is that, although he may not have had a face-to-face meeting with the Countrywide CEO, Mr. Conrad had called Mr. Mozilo and asked for a loan. The result was a discounted loan on his million-dollar beach house and a separate commercial loan of a type that residential lender Countrywide did not even offer to other customers, regardless of the rate.

    So after calling the CEO of a company with various matters before the Senate, asking for a loan and then receiving at least two sweetheart deals, Mr. Conrad now says: “I did not think for one moment – and no one ever suggested to me – that I was getting preferential treatment.” Lawyers will immediately wonder if this isn’t a version of the “ostrich defense,” which judges describe during jury instruction as willful blindness or deliberate ignorance. For what other reason, besides preferential treatment, would one call the CEO of the mortgage company? Does Mr. Conrad call August Busch IV when he wants to buy a six-pack?

    Almost as breathtaking is Senator Conrad’s attempt to use a charitable contribution for the estimated amount of any mortgage savings – $10,500 – to make the issue go away. So while the Senator says he did nothing wrong, now that his nonmistake has been discovered he’ll nonetheless give away the nonspecial treatment cash. There is ample evidence here to warrant an investigation, including subpoenas for relevant documents.

  262. Yea, Jan it is a real waste land over there. If you ever saw the movie the Omega Man it is all those pale faced zombies in hoods chasing the few remaining surivors of the homo sapien erecutus species into a dark night.

  263. One of the things you learn if not in law school then certainly in practice is that you must explain why certain pieces are relevant and what they prove. Most of the time you need to connect the dots. For example, most people have seen the Wright tapes and drawn whatever conclusions they were left to. But nobody has explained why this makes him unfit to be president. You can call it relevance, materiality, or whatever you want a dialogue needs to be started on this. Otherwise they will laugh it off, or remember some crazy uncle, or look get into some victimhood excuse, when the real world implications of this are profoud. The question that must be asked and anwered is do you understand why this is important. Otherwise it is just images.

  264. Dean’s 50 State Strategy….lose ’em all

    “Superdelegates still have a chance to nominate the electable Democrat. Will they do it? Or will they hand Arkansas and its six electoral votes over to the Republicans?”

  265. Norma, I don’t know how to link it, but just go to rezko watch, its on the front page unless the bots have scrubbed it.

  266. Norma its a pic of a middle east Obama supporter that is holding a sign that reads: Behead those who insult Obama!

  267. Larry at no quarter reporting that according to dnc clerk hrc name will not be allowed on first ballot. Hard to tell if dean is that stupid or inmates are running the asylum. One commentor had this reply which I did find interesting:

    Bullshit again, the SDs haven’t even voted yet and can change their minds up until the last moment. And besides I just got THE WEIRDEST CRYPTIC e-mail from Hillary’s camp about donating to her and about her “getting back to us very soon” Hmmmmmmmm. What has that wonderful, beautiful warrior goddess got up her sleeve for the Obamanations? You don’t actually think she’s been working for barky this whle time do you? There’s no way she has given up. She is one hell of a woman.

    Amen/

  268. a comment i found very interesting over at noquarter just now in “it’s not a rumor anymore” diary

    Comment by Susaninbosque | 2008-06-16 13:23:26

    I called Hillary’s headquarters in Wash DC – actually Va – 703 469-2008 and spoke with one of the workers there. I did not ask to speak with anyone more specific because I wanted to see what might get said off the cuff.

    He indicated that Hillary’s primary goal , as they knew it (as they knew it and he emphasized that) was to pay down her debt and that legally any money sent in could not go for anything else BUT her debt.

    When I suggested volunteering to call people to continue to fund raise for her to pay down the debt, he said: we have not set that up yet. We are not supporting volunteers through her website like we were before. BUT, he said – as I chatted about the weather or something – that he and the campaign had had time to rest, really rest and he expected that something would be announced in a couple of weeks. But he did not know what. When I asked what he meant, he kinda hemmed and hawwed and said that at the moment they were endorsing Obama. I told him that I hoped not too vigorously and he said something that indicated, no,not really at all.

    When I asked him how the debt reduction via contributions was going he said that it was better than any of them had expected and that it was definitely definitely steadily going down and that they were very pleased.

    I circled back another time to get what would/might happen in a couple of weeks because we were never going to support Obama and he said, she understands that.

    I personally intend to call back every two to three days and see who I can chat with. But clearly, if we want her to be let loose – if we want her to be as aggressive as possible, then helping with the campaign debt is the first thing we can do and right now, the most significant. And she only has until the convention to pay it down with contributions.

    I would suggest that a random phone call from many of us SUPPORTERS (not the idiots who seem to tread on our heels) might be of value. Certainly communication making it plain that we will never support Obama is very important. Not sure that helps, but if it does, good. And I will continue to call and continue to report back with something. But we know a couple of things:
    1) Hillary said she’d never give up and that we should never stay down or give up
    2) she is not lying on a beach somewhere getting a little change of scenery
    3) she will – as she has said – continue to fight for everyone who needs her and believes in her…. well, that’s me and I take her at her word.

  269. wbboei

    naw i am not good, the woman posting that on noquarter is GOOD! 😀

    all i did was read it and bring it to you all here 😀

  270. I seriously don’t think Al Gore is going to be able to help Obama at this point, No one else has been able to help him
    why would gore?

    this is a non issue as much as “uncle” teddy was and is 😀

  271. confloyd, what’s not to believe? Gore is a Dem. You didn’t expect him to endorse McCain, did you?

  272. filbertsf, Do you think he is going to publically endorse him tonight??? I know he is a democrat, but in all actuality, he has not secured the nomination until August. Why would he want to endorse before the convention since there are so many people that are against Obama???

  273. Afganistan is breaking wide open now, because we have been in Iraq for too long and not watching those Taliban in Afganistan (the true country of terror). What the crap is BUsh going to do now.

  274. Lanny Davis to Join fox news

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    “Fox has always treated me with respect and given me a chance to express my point of view,” Davis says of the network that the Democratic candidates refused to grant a debate out of concern that it favors Republicans. He will be a frequent guest, along with such Fox stalwarts as Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich.

    A relentless surrogate for Hillary Clinton, Davis says, he felt “ganged up on” during appearances on the other cable channels. He says that Clinton was “demonized” by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, and that CNN’s primary-night panels were tilted toward the Obama side.

  275. HI, Sonia,

    I just copied your info to here:

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=159&p=1384#p1384

    It’s a very good site and that’s a thread where the info will stay visible instead of getting lost in the many posts here. Check them out.

  276. It’s quite obvious that the anti-Obama voices are getting louder and difficult to ignore. Perhaps Gore’s appearance and possible endorsement is one of the ways in which BO is trying to stop the hemorrhage.

    November is a long way to go. Gore endorsed Kerry and that loser lost to the biggest loser in history.

    I love Gore. Respect him and all, but even his endorsement isn’t going to change my mind. If there are others out there like me, then perhaps djia is right.

  277. 1950democrat Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    HI, Sonia,

    HI, dem .

    I am starting to loose hope .Pls save me b/c i do go to mccain,s site i leave 4-5 comments -but its like eating tuna for me (i don,t like tuna)

    How can i do something – i don,t like .I don,t even wanna think about obamas .So i am trying to stay focused on puma efforts .

    ANYWAY – r u talking about newspapers links?

    is there something else i can do to help?

  278. Neil Cavuto Alert / Open Thread

    By SusanUnPCgravatarcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: noquarterusa.net/
    About: See Authors Posts (1046) on June 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM in Open Thread

    Puma08’s Will Bowers will be on Neil Cavuto’s Fox News show today at 4 p.m. ET (segment unknown). We will post video later.

  279. birdgal Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
    Nothing, Nothing will change my NObama in NOvember.

    Dude, word. Said it before and said it again, I am the anti-Obama vote and even if the angels came down from heaven to plea for BO, it wouldn’t change my mind.

    McCain2008/Hillary2012

  280. SONIA4HILLARY Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    .I don,t even wanna think about obamas .So i am trying to stay focused on puma efforts .

    is there something else i can do to help?

    =====================================

    What about posting this link around at different blogs:

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

    I think that may be what comes up next. I hope Hiillary will not take a VP slot on an Obama/Clnton ticket!!! I don’t want to see her win the GE for him and then have to spend four or eight years ironing his shirt! She’s 60, if she propped him up for two terms then she’d be 68, too old to do her own thing! (And Bill may need quadruple bypass surgery again in 2020, so right now is his best time to be co-president again.)

    I think what you’re doing is good, floating around between good pro-Hillary sites and posting links to let us know what the other good groups are doing.

    pumaparty.com is good. You could collect good information from here and other good sites and post it at pumaparty.

  281. 1950democrat Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    you are right dem . I will do that.I will register and pass on the link . I am mostly @puma.pac.org ,i was told all other sites were fake,but i guess not .

  282. http://www.clinton.senate.gov/contact/

    June 15, 2008

    Schumer, Clinton, Higgins to Introduce a Resolution Naming Highway Near Ralph Wilson Stadium in Honor of Buffalo Native Tim Russert

    WASHINGTON, DC – Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton along with Congressman Brian Higgins announced today that they are pursuing plans to have a portion of U.S. Route 20 that runs near Ralph Wilson Stadium renamed in honor of Tim Russert, the NBC Washington Bureau Chief and moderator of Meet The Press who unexpectedly passed away Friday morning. Russert was a native of Buffalo and an avid sports fan who was devoted to his hometown football team, the Buffalo Bills. The lawmakers will introduce a resolution in Congress on Monday to rename the stretch of U.S. Route 20 that runs past the home of the Buffalo Bills after Russert.

    “Tim Russert was in every way, Mr. Buffalo. With his trademark ‘Go Bills’ sign-off, Tim Russert showed his pride for the city that made him who he was. He always cared about Buffalo, and when I spoke with him just a few weeks ago he said he would do everything he could to keep the Bills in Buffalo,” Schumer said. “The kid from South Buffalo and Canisius High, never strayed from the values those places imbued in him: camaraderie, hard work, optimism, intellectual excellence and a deep love of family and country. Even when he was interviewing presidents and heads of state, Western New Yorkers knew that his blue-collar, Buffalo sensibility guided him throughout. We will forever miss Tim Russert’s insight and passion, and hope that by naming this road in his honor we are memorializing one of New York’s proudest sons.”

    “Tim will forever be remembered for his intellect, his professionalism and his historic contribution to this nation but he will also be remembered for his love of his family, his hometown and his Buffalo Bills. His passion for politics and love of his country took him to our nation’s capital, but his heart never left the city where he was born or the team he grew up rooting for. Anybody who knew Tim Russert found out pretty quickly that he was a Bills fan born and bred. While this is a small gesture to honor an icon who gave us all so much, we hope that when people drive down Route 20 past Ralph Wilson Stadium, they’ll remember the man who never forgot his hometown or his beloved Buffalo Bills,” said Senator Clinton.

    “It was no secret that Tim Russert was one of the Buffalo Bills’ biggest fans- true to his Buffalo roots throughout his remarkable career, you could always count on him to close Meet the Press with a hearty, “Go Bills!” The passion for Buffalo that Tim demonstrated on a national stage was a source of pride for our city; it is only fitting that from now on, part of the experience of going to a Bills game will be being reminded of this great Buffalonian,” Higgins said.

    “The proposal to rename the stretch of U.S. Route 20 that runs next to the stadium in honor of Tim Russert is a wonderful tribute to a great man. I want to thank Senator Clinton, Senator Schumer and Congressman Higgins for their efforts to make this happen. I, like many others, was shocked yesterday when I heard the sad news of Tim’s passing. We loved Tim and he loved Buffalo and the Bills,” said Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson, Jr.

    Click here to read Senator Clinton’s statement on the death of Tim Russert.

  283. Gosh, conservatives went ballistic over McCain’s wooing Hillary dems over judges… In order for McCain to defeat bambi, he has to tiptoe, he can not afford to lose even more conservatives who have been skeptical about him from day one.

    McCain to Hillary supporters: I voted to confirm Ginsburg and Breyer, you know

    Kaus expects nothing less than a full-blown conservosphere freak-out over this. I’m underwhelmed.

    After his public conference call with Clinton supporters (covered extensively by Jonathan Martin) Saturday, John McCain met privately with some 75 of those supporters at his Virginia headquarters, two people who were there said…

    “He stayed for a good almost half hour afterwards shaking hands, listening to our concerns, talking to us,” said [Party Unity My Ass] founder Will Bower, who said he thought many of the people there would vote for McCain…

    Bower said he’d liked McCain’s answer on judges, in which he “pointed out that he supported Bill Clinton with both Ginsberg [sic] and Breyer.”

    What’s he supposed to say? He was there to woo liberals. The best he could do realistically when they asked him about judges was to point to the Gang of 14 and emphasize that he wasn’t an obstructionist when the left’s turn came to pack the Court. Which, incidentally, would be an odd thing for the right to fault him for at this point: After years of Democratic shrieking about Bush’s appointments, my sense is most conservatives believe the senate’s advice and consent should be limited to determining whether the nominee has the legal chops to do the job plus some cursory ideological vetting to make sure there’s no truly fringe kookiness anywhere in his/her closet. If the left had followed McCain’s example, Miguel Estrada would be five years into his tenure on the D.C. Circuit.

    Besides, unlike immigration, this clearly isn’t a subject on which Maverick is as far left as Obama — although given the composition of the senate next year, the difference between a McCain appointee and an Obama appointee is likely to be the difference between, say, an O’Connor and a Ginsburg. The former’s better than the latter, but if you think you’re getting another Roberts or Alito under any circumstances, think again.

  284. June 13, 2008

    Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and Former President William Jefferson Clinton on the Death of Tim Russert

    “We were stunned and deeply saddened to hear of the passing today of Tim Russert. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife Maureen, his son Luke, his father who we all have come to know as Big Russ, his extended family and all of his many friends and colleagues at NBC who have suffered a tremendous loss. Always true to his proud Buffalo roots, Tim had a love of public service and a dedication to journalism that rightfully earned him the respect and admiration of not only his colleagues but also those of us who had the privilege to go toe to toe with him. In seeking answers to tough questions, he helped inform the American people and make our democracy stronger. We join his friends, fans and loved ones in mourning his loss and celebrating his remarkable contribution to our nation.”

    http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=299184&&

    Hillary is great .

  285. I was thinking about linfar and other former passionate supporters of Hillary switching to BO and creating websites for their cause. If they love Hillary and want to see her as President, why are they closing the door on her chances? Four years is not a long time.

    2004 feels like yesterday.

    Bambi is only 47 and has at least 2 decades to run again and again. That option is not open for Hillary.

    All these turncoats piss me off.

  286. SONIA4HILLARY Says:
    I am mostly @puma.pac.org ,i was told all other sites were fake,but i guess not .

    ==================

    There are many good sites, many using ‘PUMA’. They all have different things to offer.

  287. SONIA4HILLARY ,

    tim, tim, tim, tim… I’m sick and tired of hearing his name …

    Regarding Al Gore, I used to respect and like him a lot. I was heartbroken when he lost in 2000.

    Having said that, I do believe he had gone off the track and teetering the insanity territory with that ‘global warming, saving planet’ crap. He is no longer a centralist dem, but a kool-aid drinking kos dem.
    I mean, I believe global warming is for real, but to say combating global warming is the #1 priority, more important than saving people from war, from starvation is just bizarre beyond imagination.

    His fighting global warming campaign has become a crazy cult. People from third world are dying because of food shortage amid Iowa farmers’ food-for-fuel sham.

    Give us a break, Al, I need to eat and drive first, and I can’t count on your global warming prescription.

  288. Well i think -no bashing of AL -GOR PLS .iF HE wanted to endorse obama or hillary -he would have done so long time ago ,

    HE IS JUST DOING A UNITY ACT FOR **OBAMACRAT PARTY ****

  289. kostner, your logic is puzzling. If Global Warming has the potential to wipe out the human species, how is that of lesser importance than war and starvation? We’re talking about a generational investment. If climate changes has the effect of creating drought and barren soil, you will have a starvation on global scale.

    Moreover, who says you can’t do fight gw AND save ppl from war and starvation. It’s not an either/or.

    GW is not a crazy cult. GW is not something you can stop in one day. Unfortunately, so many people are apathetic and think if it’s still snowing, all must be well and kooks like Al Gore are just stirring the pot.

  290. YEP, he’s drank the DNC/BP Kool Aid…… GORE TO ENDORSE

    This just sheds light on another looser to vote down should he ever run for anything again.
    I still feel this will not be anything to give BO a significant Bump in the polls
    I am pretty sure his supporters have already made up their minds by now
    and i am d@mn sure us Hillary supporters are not budging 😀

    h t t p : / / blog.algore.com/2008/06/my_endorsement.html

    My endorsement June 16, 2008 : 2:51 PM

    A few hours from now I will step on stage in Detroit, Michigan to announce my support for Senator Barack Obama. From now through Election Day, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is elected President of the United States.

    Over the next four years, we are going to face many difficult challenges — including bringing our troops home from Iraq, fixing our economy, and solving the climate crisis. Barack Obama is clearly the candidate best able to solve these problems and bring change to America.

  291. BO voted for the Cheney energy bill. Obviously, Gore doesn’t think, it will interfere with global warming. Hypocrites, the whole lot of them. I am sick and tired of the corrupt undemocratic party. They are worse, than the Republicans, if that is even possible.

  292. I may be in the minority, but I was never a fan of Gore running for president. Even as vice president, I never thought his accomplishments during the Clinton administrations warranted his being nominated.jmo

  293. filbertsf ,

    maybe you’re a true believer. But I’ve never buying into Al Gore’s crazy, dire warning of climate change will result in the demise of the earth in short order.

    This has nothing to do with him endorsing Obama or Hillary. I believe Al has just become another out-of-touch elite who basically wants to find another ‘hobby’ for his ‘noble’ cause.

    As I said, I am very much a moderate, and quite cynical from time to time. I don’t drink this sort of kool-aid, whether it’s Al’s saving earth from demise or W.’s saving people from tyranny.

  294. confloyd Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    Obama is appearing with Al Gore, just on FOx. OMG, I can’t believe it.

    *****************************************************
    The Democrats must be worried to get Al Gore to prop up Obama….too many Democrats have place their career on the back of OBAMBI and they are starting to realize the the “emperor has no clothes.”

    I’ve been polite about that Power hungry HACK “Timeh” for NBC news but if the media don’t stop all the aggrandizement on this man, all it’s going to do is create a backlash on how the media pimping their own.

    Too much power corrupt absolutely…this also applies to the press.

  295. FYI****PELOSI

    Family
    Pelosi has five children: Nancy Corinne, Christine, Jacqueline, Paul, and Alexandra, as well as seven grandchildren. ****Alexandra, a journalist, covered the Republican presidential campaigns in 2000 and made a film about the experience, Journeys with George. She also wrote a book on coverage of the 2004 campaigns.***

    [edit] Financial status
    The Pelosi family has a net worth of over US$25 million, primarily from investments. In addition to their large portfolio of jointly owned San Francisco Bay Area real estate, she also has millions of dollars in stock from publicly traded companies such as Microsoft, Amazon.com and AT&T. In 2003, the Pelosi family sold their eight-acre (three hectare) Rutherford vineyard. Pelosi continues to be among the richest members of Congress.[6]

    [edit] Education
    Pelosi voted for the No Child Left Behind Act, which instituted testing to track students’ progress and authorized an increase in overall education spending.[46]

  296. BRAND NEW cover story about the end of Hillary’s campaign + new interview:

    Great cover shot of Hillary:

    coverawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/newyorkmagazinehillaryclintonsuperstarcoverawardsmarkpasetskycoverawardsisnumberonemediasite.jpg

    http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton-superstar.html

    The story:

    nymag.com/news/politics/47837/

    The Fall and Rise of Hillary Clinton
    How, in her diminishment, she became huge—an instant icon with more cultural potency than her husband. On the day after her final defeat, the unlikeliest of populist heroes discusses what exactly happened to turn her from wonk to phenom.

  297. did anyone see that Patti Soyle Dole is supposed to be hired as the Chief of Staff for the VP???

    Do you think they are trying to set the stage for Hillary to be more comfortable as VP?

    I’ve never heard of a candidate picking a Chief of Staff for the vp before there is even a nomination or before there is even an election?????

    Answer needed

  298. I just saw posted here Linfair is now for O. Is this true?

    Wow and they are talking about SD’s turncoat.

  299. btw,

    i’m also for drilling oil. With proper environmental precaution, there is absolutely no reason not to drill in American land while Saudi/Middle East are reaping the monstrous oil profit at $140 level.

  300. Yup, pretty crazy:

    ——
    Clinton Insiders Take Umbrage at Solis Doyle Move
    washingtonpost.com

    By Anne E. Kornblut
    FLINT, Mich. — The nomination fight is over, but the warring between the Obama and Clinton campaigns lives on.

    The Obama team announced today that it had picked former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle to serve on its general election staff. Fair enough: Solis Doyle is a native Chicagoan with deep ties to many senior Obama aides.

    But Solis Doyle — who after her firing midway through the primaries is no longer on speaking terms with much of the Clinton inner circle, including the senator herself — has been tapped to serve as chief of staff to the future vice presidential running mate. Not exactly a signal that Obama is considering Hillary Clinton for the job.

    At least that’s how Clinton loyalists see it. “It’s a slap in the face,” Susie Tompkins Buell, a prominent Clinton backer, said in an interview. “Why would they put somebody that was so clearly ineffective in such a position? It’s a message. We get it.” She said it was a “calculated decision” by the Obama team to “send a message that she [Clinton] is not being considered for the ticket.”

    Other Clinton insiders also seethed. “Who can blame Obama for rewarding Patti? He would never be the nominee without her,” one person who has worked for both Clintons and remains close to them said. The sentiment reflected what another person in the immediate Clinton orbit described as “shock” that Obama would send such a strong signal that he is not considering Clinton as his runningmate so soon.

    Although she devoted her adult life to working for Clinton, Solis Doyle left the Clinton world surrounded by a cloud of acrimony, blamed by some close Clinton loyalists — and reportedly Clinton herself — for failing to keep the campaign in order heading into Iowa. After being yanked from her role, Solis Doyle had said she would travel with the campaign and remain on as an adviser, but Clinton effectively cut her off and she was not seen on the road again.

  301. Jesus Christ, kostner. Drilling in ANWAR, too? There are no such thing as “proper environmental precaution” when it comes to prestine areas. Giant dirty equipments and men in boots marching in and out and you think it can be clean?

    Kostner, kool-aid drinkers are people who believe that one man – with no record to speak of – can come to DC and bring kumbaya on a global scale merely because his name is Obama.

    Seeing the melting icecaps on Mt Killamanjaro and the incremental increases in global temperature (temperatures at its highest in the last 9 years) is drinking scientific evidence punch.

    This is not Gore’s new hobby. He’s been talking about climate change since the ’70s and an environmentalist for most of his adult life.

  302. I think they had to bring Gore out to raise money. They are not getting any. Bambi used it all to defeat Hillary and we all know how that turned out. Why didn’t they save the money, they were going to give him the nomination anyway. The DNC is absolutely a stupid organization. Folks the republicans have us beat in that department. They actually use their collective heads!

  303. neetabug, it’s true. Linfar is a turncoat and not only that, insulted Hillary supporters on one of her blogs at a new website dedicated to former Clinton supportes now supporting BO.

    Linfar penned a blog calling us delusional and bamboozled by the GOP. It was over the issue of BO’s birth certificate.

  304. Interesting…. NYT, spinning the Patti Solis Doyle story completely differently than the WaPo does:

    ———
    June 16, 2008, 12:29 pm
    Former Clinton Campaign Manager Joins Obama Team

    By Adam Nagourney

    The Obama campaign is about to make its first big hire out of the campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign manager until she was ousted in a staff shake up in February, will join Mr. Obama’s campaign as the chief of staff to the vice presidential candidate – whoever he (or she) will be, campaign officials said.

    Ms. Doyle will take the position before Mr. Obama announces his choice for a running-mate – he has not said when that will be. Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Doyle have a long friendship, and Ms. Doyle has long been one of her closest aides, until she was forced out. Could that mean – tea-leaf reading time – that Mr. Obama is really considering Mrs. Clinton for the No. 2 position, and wants to have an ally of her in place to ease the way? Perhaps.

    Or perhaps not. More likely, the Obama campaign was looking for a high-profile spot to put Ms. Doyle, given her previous position, and most of the major roles in Mr. Obama’s campaign are filled.

    Ms. Doyle’s hire is the latest sign of the two fields in the Democratic Party attempting to come together. She is also – not incidentally – a Hispanic woman, making her a member of two demographics that Mr. Obama has been making a particular effort to appeal to.

    The Obama campaign also is strengthening the team working for Michelle Obama.

    Later today, the campaign is set to announce the hiring of Stephanie Cutter, a longtime Democratic strategist who worked as Senator John Kerry’s communications director in 2004, as chief of staff to Mrs. Obama. Ms. Cutter is scheduled to begin soon, with the first task of re-crafting the image of Mrs. Obama, who has come under intense criticism by Republicans and even some Democratic rivals. She also will lead a war room to fight attacks against Mrs. Obama.

  305. filberts: Linfar needs to look in the mirror, if she is saying, that we have been bamboozled by the gop.

  306. My brother is an Obambi supporter and I’ve been giving him the 411 on how Obambi is going to lose in the G.E. even he agree that without Hillary Clinton on the ticket Obama will lose.

    Since I know some of the people he talks to are close to the Obama campaign in L.A. and I know they are getting worried about Obama chances. They know they need Clinton’s supporters to win over McCain and those who are realists and not obamabots are getting upset about the G.E. MATH.

    So, when my brother comes by and tried to pick my brain on how committed I’ am on voting for McCain…I say this Hillary Girl will vote for McCain just like I voted for Arnold. Since he also voted for Arnold he takes my comment seriously.

    Unfortunately, others have drunk the Kool-aid and think they are entitled to this and that Obama’s misogyny and sexist comments are okay with most women.

    The Democrats threw Women and Equal Rights under the bus believing that women didn’t have any place to go and will continuing enabling the abuse. It was a calculated tactic that will come back to hurt the dems this November.

    CNN and MSNBC has LOST major CREDIBILITY and the more they deny this and act like everything is “OKEY DOKEY” the more this belief firms up and harden. Now regarding all those playmates on the news show talking out of both set of their mouths will have to be held accountable after this election. We will NEVER acheive equality if will keep silent and accept the scraps the MALE DOMINATED Congress throws our way.

    Don’t let them wave that old carrot Roe VS Wade in your face as the only Women Right issue and that is all they have to do to satisfy us. It’s a shame that this election proved how little respect of votes matter to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

  307. confloyd, funny isn’t it? He supposedly brings in new voters but still begging for money. I guess there weren’t enough cars to wash for all those high school and college kids.

  308. I may be dense, but are we 100% sure that this is linfar and not someone who has stolen her i.d.?

    The reason I am asking is that the last I heard, she was doing research to write an article comparing Obama and his appearances to Hitler and I can’t imagine his supporters embracing her after something like that.

  309. Patti Solis Doyle is not trusted by TEAM OBAMA but her job is to get the Hispanics over to Obama without having to earn or work for their votes.

    Patti Solis Doyle…it will be interesting to see if she can pull this off after all the nastines of the primary campaign and how the DNC eff’d the Hispanic voters.

    I’m from SoCal and it will be very interesting to see if this work, like Obama think it will work….I will not give my opinion at this time but…..no I’ll be quiet.

  310. JanH, I think it was Sonia who had that link to linfar’s blog on that website. Sonia is good at digging up old posts perhaps she can find it. I can’t seem to.

    I think the website is called clintonsupportersforobama, but I’m not sure.

    The linfar “discussion” (more like a rant from me) happened early last week.

  311. filbertsf,

    well if it is true, then I am very disappointed. With all the evidence pointing to Obama being so very unprepared and such a bad choice for president, I don’t understand why anyone would switch over….democrat or not.

  312. I don’t care if Gore endorses BHO. It may not make any difference anyway, as happened with Coward Dean a few years ago. The party is trying to pull out all the stops to save this election, after they mishandled it so badly. They will probably mishandle that part also.

    I liked some things Gore did as a US Senator, so I was happy that he was the VP, and I wanted him to win the election for Pres. Well, he did, but strange things happened in the world of politics.

    I lack the scientific knowhow to determine if he is right or wrong on global warming, but I’m glad he picked up the tempo in the debate. It’s a very worthwhile study.

    Based on a lot of the reports posted here, it looks like BHO will have a very difficult time winning the election. It probably depends on how good of a candidate McCain turns out to be.

    I hope everyone is right who continue to say BHO is unelectable. I so badly don’t want that guy in the White House. He really scares me.

    If I remember correctly Admin will have a report soon about Rezko. So far other events have taken up his time. I can wait.

  313. Found this on NoQuarter re: linfar the turncoat

    h t t p : / / noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/07/the-great-and-growing-divide/

    Then a very good writer, and ardent Hillary supporter named linfar announced that she would be following Hillary’s request and supporting Obama. This set off a firestorm.

    Elsylee28 pointed out the obvious. How could linfar simply up and support Obama when she had written so intensely about why he was unqualified to be President? Even dangerous.

    Linfar responded:

    You know, a lot of people on this board have to decide what they are going to do with their vote. I guess you among them. Hillary Clinton has said what she is going to do with hers. I stand with her all the way. Period. Go argue with someone else, ok? I am not going to engage in this discussion. I have been called every name in the book by Obama supporters. Now I have to get shit from Hillary supporters for doing as she has asked me to do? You are out of line. And frankly, I don’t even know who you are??

    Linfar sounds like Taylor Marsh and that troll Sandy, doesn’t she?

  314. One prediction method accurate back to 1860
    By George E. Condon Jr.
    U-T WASHINGTON BUREAU
    June 16, 2008

    WASHINGTON – To the political scientists who study historical patterns and trends, there is nothing more certain than Barack Obama’s victory in November.
    But their predictions are not bringing great joy to many Democrats.

    Democrats seem much more anxious than joyful about the prospect of reclaiming the White House.

    Republican presidential candidate John McCain (left) met yesterday with Iraq’s foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari, in Arlington, Va. They discussed security improvements in Iraq and negotiations on an agreement to pave the way for the future presence of U.S. forces in Iraq.

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama greeted the choir of the Apostolic Church of God in Chicago yesterday after invoking his own absentee father to deliver a sharp message to black men, saying “we need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception.”
    Indeed, a common reaction from Democratic strategists has been a visible shudder – a quick reminder that their party has lost seven of the last 10 presidential elections. Often, they leave a poignant question unanswered: Is there any way Democrats can blow this one?
    Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean last week even scolded the increasingly rare Democrat who seems too confident of a November victory by Obama, an Illinois senator.

    “I’m actually thrilled that they’re nervous,” Dean said of fellow Democrats. “I think it’s about time. Last spring, there was this feeling of confidence that we were just going to roll through everything.”

    That kind of overconfidence, he said, “is how you lose elections. So I’m just delighted that Democrats are really nervous about whether they can win or not – just delighted.”

    That hasn’t stopped the academics who specialize in studying the trends, charting the variables and monitoring the economic reports. To them, there is no doubt about the winner in November. It’s Obama over Republican Sen. John McCain in a knockout.

    The godfather of these analysts is Allan J. Lichtman, longtime history professor at American University and the creator almost three decades ago of “13 keys to the White House” that have tabbed the winner of every presidential election dating to 1860.

    “The keys are based on the thesis that elections turn on the performance of the party in control of the White House, in this case the Republicans. And they don’t depend on the particularities of the campaign,” Lichtman said.

    Not once since 1860 has the party in control of the White House been able to survive if six of Lichtman’s 13 keys have gone against it. Right now, seven are against McCain’s party, with two others leaning against it.

    Those keys measure incumbency, the state of the economy, social unrest, foreign developments such as war, the charisma of the candidates, interparty contests, scandals and third-party challenges.

    Lichtman said the two keys still uncertain involve whether the economy falls into recession during the year and whether Obama can be fairly called a particularly charismatic challenger.

    Those two would make it nine of the 13 keys against McCain. Lichtman does call the 2008 election “the sternest test” of his keys because the always-volatile issue of race has been injected with Obama, who will be the first black presidential nominee from a major political party. Even with that added factor, Lichtman stands by his contention that the campaign itself is unimportant, a conclusion vigorously challenged by politicians.

    The unbroken correlation of his formula to who wins the presidency led to an invitation to the Reagan White House in 1982. It also was influential in Bill Clinton’s 1991 decision to run for president even though incumbent President George H.W. Bush’s popularity was at a record 91 percent and bigger-name Democrats, such as Mario Cuomo, were shying from what almost everybody but Lichtman saw as an unwinnable challenge.

    The news for Obama is similarly positive from another political scientist who specializes in studying the patterns of presidential elections. Alan Abramowitz, a professor at Emory University, has three factors that he looks at: the incumbent’s approval rating midyear, economic growth in the second quarter of the election year and the length of time a party has been in the White House.

    This gives Abramowitz what he calls the “Electoral Barometer,” which can range from minus 100 to plus 100. Since World War II, one candidate with a plus barometer has lost. That was Democratic Vice President Hubert Humphrey in 1968, where the rating for the incumbent party was barely above zero. Republican Richard Nixon narrowly defeated Humphrey.

    McCain’s current barometer rating is what Abramowitz calls a “dismal” minus 63, the second-worst rating since World War II and eclipsed only by Jimmy Carter in 1980.

    “Boy, that’s pretty bad,” Abramowitz said. “Everything is against McCain. He faces a triple whammy” – an unpopular president, a weak economy and trying to follow a Republican president in his second term.

    Unlike Lichtman, Abramowitz thinks the campaign can affect the outcome, particularly for a political newcomer like Obama, who must introduce himself to Americans who know little about him.

    “It’s these fundamental underlying forces that drive the election,” Abramowitz said. “Campaigns can matter, but they have fairly marginal effects. They can move the numbers up and down by a couple points. But it is unlikely the campaign will cause a huge shift.”

    Democrats, of course, like to hear predictions of an Obama win, but they aren’t quite sure how to react.

    “It is kind of a fun parlor game,” said Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons. “But the reality of politics is much messier than any mathematical formulation. Any Democrat who has been involved in politics in the last 40 years has to be a little gun-shy when predicting success in a presidential election.”

    Democratic consultant Jim Duffy echoed this.

    “It ain’t political science,” he said. “There is more to it than just science. It is not a-squared plus b-squared equals c-squared. There are human beings involved.”

    Some of those human beings are Democrats accustomed to losing.

    “We’re Democrats; we’re capable of taking a two-car funeral and lousing it up,” Duffy said. “I hear that refrain a lot.”

    Boston-based Democratic strategist Mary Anne Marsh laughed at the predictions.

    “Are we capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? Yes, we are. Let me count the ways,” she said.

    Marsh said Democrats can’t be certain of the economy driving voters to Obama “because sometimes people vote against their own interests.”

    “When people vote for president, it is a very personal vote,” Marsh said. “It is first and foremost how people feel about the candidate and whether they believe or trust them more than anything else. Because unless they do, they are not going to listen to their ideas. And even if they like their ideas, if they don’t trust them to keep their word, they are not going to vote for them.”

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080616-9999-1n16campaign.html
    *****************************************************
    The problem with all of this is that the media has been manipulating with the polls and information coming out.

  315. filbertsf,

    Very sad. I am really tired of used-to-be Clinton supporters using the silly argument that Hillary told me to do this so I have no mind of my own and I’m going to do it!

  316. http://www.nymag.com/nymag/toc/20080623/

    NY MAGAZINE is gonna have hillary on the front page and talk about her gains and how she is a phenounm.

    June 23, 2008 Issue

    Cover Story
    The Fall and Rise of Hillary Clinton
    How, in her diminishment, she became huge—an instant icon with more cultural potency than her husband. On the day after her final defeat, the unlikeliest of populist heroes discusses what exactly happened to turn her from wonk to phenom.

  317. Found it!

    h t t p : / / clintonistasforobama.blogspot.com/2008/06/birth-certificate-will-not-show-virgin.html

    This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. Hillary supporters have joined the GOP-backed madness swirling around Barack Obama’s birth certificate. In their zeal to defeat Barack Obama Hillary supporters have become the latest dupes in a GOP rumor mill discrediting Barack Obama’s birthplace–thus making him ineligible to be President.

    JanH, I actually understand why some former Clinton supporters are now on Obama’s team. They’re Democrats and many shudder at the thought of supporting a Republican.

    I objected to her name-calling. I will never get some people.

  318. I understand the Democrat part. What I don’t understand is Democrat no matter how evil, unskilled, and unwarranted the nominee is…how he, the GOP, his campaign and the media cheated and lied their ways through the race card etc…to get where he is now… There has to be a point where you think of what is best for the country…where party comes second.

    Sorry for the rant…sigh…

  319. What If Mccain Was Black?

    The Monitor (Kampala)

    OPINION
    16 June 2008
    Posted to the web 16 June 2008
    By Dorene Namanya

    With the poor economy, raging wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and a hostile attitude towards Iran, immigration issues, these candidates could not have picked a worse time to run for the US presidency. And a worse time for us to have to take sides. Oh, if only colour was not what hit us right in the face when we first met the candidates. But as is wont to when one must take sides, we have to choose.

    On any other continent, there would be no doubt about the reason for supporting Obama. On the African continent, I am going to take my chances and say that the popularity Obama enjoys here is because he is black. Now let us paint a picture that only Stevie Wonder can see. We shall mix a deep chocolate colour, paste it on McCain, and here, on pretend he is black. And then give him a chance.

    I have said here before that we should really focus our energies on something else other than the American presidential elections, but no one will listen. So while we ride the pretend bus of rallying behind an American presidential candidate, let us pretend. Pretend to be blind.

    Pretend that we shall rally behind McCain in spite of the fact the he will be taking over from where the Bush administration left off. Pretend that America gave a crap what we think. And pretend that one day our support will pay off good.

    Let us ride the McCain wagon. And this is why. He is the biggest supporter of the war in Iraq. This may come off as insensitive because people are dying there every day. And I sympathise. But that is the general nature of wars. People die. There are currently over 6,000 Ugandans serving in Iraq as security guards, and thankfully no Ugandan has been killed there yet.

    Most of them were unskilled and unemployed before they left but are now earning money beyond their wildest dreams. By keeping them there, we are ensuring that these guards are not back here starving and maybe even resorting to crime to make ends meet. We should therefore be happy that we are there to take the bullet in place of someone that would otherwise be an American soldier. It is after all their war. Is it not?

    Then there’s his policy on immigration. McCain wants those immigrants that are in the United States illegally to be legally registered. This will mean that the many Ugandan professionals that are out there will thankfully leave those awful minimum wage underground jobs and finally get a chance to get employment in the professions in which there are trained and qualified.

    Usually, the guns are all out on illegal immigration and most candidates and advocates want to see these people sent back to their homes to line up at their embassies for authentic papers. But really the truth is that these so called anti illegal immigration activists have a problem with immigration, legal, or otherwise.

    Here is finally someone who is willing to leave and let live – in the United States. Moreover, seeing as this is a continuation of the Bush administration, there is hope for the PEPFAR (President’s Emergency Plan For Aids Relief), that is a brainchild of president Bush to continue, a project that is currently benefiting Uganda among other countries.

    Here’s a question. Have we gotten so lazy that we are waiting for aid to come from the west, that we are going to embrace anything American? What is next? Are we going to declare July the 4th a national holiday of sorts then? Are we not tired of the century old excuses of colonialism, racism and imperialism? We should just stay out of their elections.

    After all, they do not meddle in our elections, except to come in and tell us that our elections were free and fair as if we did not hear about Kakooza Mutale’s exploits with the kiboko. The fight for the White House is going to be a heated campaign no doubt. The two final contestants will be lined up on stage, where Simon Cowell will say to one of them, “That was a fantastically unrealistic way to get votes out of an unsuspecting public.”

    Then he will call for the next contestant at which point Obama will come in and Simon will show him the door before he chants his tax increment rhyme. But not before Paula hugs him goodbye. And then the next American idol will be the guy with the best policy on tax or some other issue that concerns Americans. God bless America. And no place else.

    allafrica.com/stories/200806160919.html
    *****************************************************
    Like I said before…reality is starting to set in and not everybody on the Let’s hate John McCain bandwagon.

  320. The Hillary I encounter a few minutes after Obama leaves the building is somber, prideful,
    dark-humored, aggrieved, confused—and still high on the notion that she is leading an army, Napoleon in a navy pantsuit and gumball-size fake pearls. She is keenly aware of the weird dynamics in play as she contemplates her endgame: Albeit temporarily, the loser has more power than the winner. She, not Obama, is in a position to bring the party together or rip the thing to shreds. She, not he, has the capacity to orchestrate a merger of their warring factions of supporters.

    “The real lesson of the campaign is that neither my base nor his base alone is sufficient for a general election,” she tells me. “That’s important to stress, because now we need to look to November and how we put together a winning majority. We’ve gotta get this coalition to work together, because clearly the Republicans have been more successful at picking off the people who voted for me, and that’s exactly who they’re going after again.”

    But the situation is volatile. Her voters are angry, they feel dissed, they have to be coaxed along. The question is how to do it. She is hearing from countless allies, but much of their advice—as it has been all along through this marathon campaign—is useless. A war is raging inside her between rationality and denial. Maybe she should wait a week before doing anything. Or maybe two. Keep her options open. See what happens. You never know.

    http://www.nymag.com/news/politics/47837/

  321. Quote of the Day, sent by Hill2theHill: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi”

  322. coming up soon on laura ingrahms new show on fox (on now) Fr Pfleger is back! vows ” i’m not changing”!!

    looks like obama has more problems 😀

    and Bill O was just on her show saying he is doing a segment tonight on the other side of the AA community that is
    not on obamas side ” those that think he is selling out the black community” wooooo hooooo!! 😀

    tune to fox news tonight!

  323. This from Al Gore:

    A few hours from now I will step on stage in Detroit, Michigan to announce my support for Senator Barack Obama… I’ve never asked members of AlGore.com to contribute to a political campaign before, but this moment and this election are too important to let pass without taking action

    Much as I love ya, Al…FUCK YOU TOO.

    Oh, and LMAO @ Okie ! That shirt should come with a free vial of holy water. 😉

  324. Why Obama Is Bad for America

    IF you needed surgery and were searching for a doctor, what kind of doctor would you seek? Would you want one who just entered the practice, or one with years of experience? Apparently, there are many Americans in the Democratic Party who would prefer one without much experience, a newbie who has rarely wielded a scalpel.

    I have had numerous Namibian friends comment on the recent battle in American politics for the Democratic Party nomination for president.

    Almost as if with one voice, they are happy that Obama is running.

    I can’t say that I blame them, given Obama’s African roots.

    But once I ask them if they know anything about what Obama stands for, they remain silent.

    Apparently, all that matters to some of them is skin colour and nothing else.

    Which, interestingly, is exactly how many Americans think.

    But substance is a whole lot more important, and it is here that Obama is terribly weak.

    Yes, I’ll grant you he can deliver a flowery, inspiring speech about “change,” but once you get past the rhetoric, there is little to state how exactly that change will occur.

    Much is said about how Americans need to get away from Bush, but fact is come this election we can’t help but do that.

    Bush has served his two terms and that is that.

    Some Namibians will cite Obama’s opposition to the war in Iraq as something he stands for.

    In fact, that is about the only thing they know about his platform.

    But do Namibians know that Obama voted several times to fund the war? Do they also know that his original rhetoric (“I will withdraw all American troops from Iraq immediately upon taking office”) has now changed to withdrawing them in the first sixteen months? Obama is a politician, nothing else.

    He knows what to say to get votes.

    And while the war in Iraq was dramatically improving for the Americans and Iraqi government, he began to change his story.

    The American media, incredibly, has said next to nothing about this major modification

    They were too busy taking pot shots at Hilary Clinton, who ran a campaign decidedly more substantive than Obama..

    Obama has tugged at the heartstrings of Americans and exploited them.

    Case in point: he has bemoaned the fact that over 4000 US soldiers have died in Iraq.

    Time and time again he has pointed this out and manipulated it to get votes.

    But he fails to note that during the same time period, Obama has supported the American policies on abortion which have seen over six million American lives terminated.

    Yes, six million.

    Those are Holocaust-level numbers.

    Three times the population of Namibia, dead, in five years.

    And he wants to expand abortion access if elected president.

    Frankly, I am somewhat taken aback by the arrogance of Obama.

    He has had little political experience, and had only served a whopping two years of his first term as a US senator, before deciding he wanted the entire kitty.

    And he spun his lack of experience as an asset.

    Incredibly, a person who wants to become arguably the most powerful man in the world claims that his lack of experience is a blessing.

    If Obama wins, on paper he will be the least qualified president the United States has had in the past 150 years.

    So before my Namibian friends are wooed by the prospect of an African-American president, consider what the man stands for and what his character is like.

    Because skin colour really doesn’t matter at all in these things, nor should it.

    Do I want Obama at the helm of my homeland? Not a chance.

    Victor Kuligin Windhoek
    http://www.namibian.com.na/2008/June/letters/08C5F78DD.html
    *****************************************************
    “Words matter”

    From the african press, reality is sinking in and people are starting to question is experience.

  325. asshole MATHEWS might consider to run for senate —

    2010 Senate run
    On the April 14, 2008, edition of The Colbert Report, Matthews alluded to a possible run for the United States Senate from Pennsylvania. When directly questioned by Stephen Colbert about his intentions, he stated that there is a difference between celebrities and those who work for the people, and it’s a greater thing to work for the people. He also said that his boyhood dream was to be a Senator. Four days later, on April 18, 2008, Matthews told Bill Maher that he has “made a commitment to covering politics, starting in 1987, and [he is] honoring that commitment, not getting involved in it.”[20] The seat in question would be the one held by Arlen Specter, whose term in the Senate ends in 2010.

  326. I love how these people who were duped by Bush in 2000 and 2004 are now telling us to vote for Obama.

  327. Hillary Clinton controversy
    Matthews has been accused of being highly critical of Hillary Clinton, especially during her 2008 candidacy for President. The liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America has chronicled his allegedly negative comments on Clinton from September through November 2007.[16] During the primaries, Matthews was openly enthusiastic about Barack Obama’s candidacy. On January 8, 2008 Clinton won the New Hampshire primary by 3 points, confounding the predictions of polls which showed her to be trailing Obama by 5 to 13 points. Afterwards, political analyst and Air America Radio host Rachel Maddow told Matthews that several blogs were citing him as “a symbol of what the mainstream media has done to Hillary Clinton.” She added that sites such as TalkingPointsMemo.com indicated that some voters felt that the media were “piling on” Clinton, and were “coming to her defense with their votes”. Matthews replied sarcastically, “My influence in American politics looms over the people. I’m overwhelmed myself.” He added, “I will never underestimate Hillary Clinton again.”[17].

    The next day, Matthews appeared on Joe Scarborough’s MSNBC morning show and said, “Let’s not forget…the reason she’s a U.S. Senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a frontrunner, is that her husband messed around”. While this incited more controversy, Matthews noted that Clinton’s political career started after she appeared with Senator Chuck Schumer and impressed Democratic leaders with her graceful handling of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. “I thought it was an unexceptional statement,” he said.[18] This comment led Media Matters to focus on Matthews’ history, citing many other instances over several years in which Matthews made remarks they considered sexist. Their research website Matthews Monitor, has an extensive analysis of his comments about Clinton. On January 17, 2008, Matthews responded to the criticism, acknowledging that the comment came across as “nasty”. He pledged to be “clearer”, “smarter” and more respectful when discussing women in the future.[19]

    http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Matthews

    During the January 9 edition of MSNBC’s Morning Joe,* Chris Matthews — host of MSNBC’s Hardball — discussed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-NY) victory* in the January 8 Democratic primary and said, “[T]he reason she’s a U.S. senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That’s how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn’t win there on her merit. She won because everybody felt, ‘My God, this woman stood up under humiliation,’ right? That’s what happened.”

    But, while Matthews has an extensive history of attacking Clinton, his sexist commentary has hardly been limited to her. Following the Democrats’ victory in the November 2006 midterm elections, for example, Matthews asked a guest if then-speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) was “going to castrate” Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) if he were elected House majority leader.

    Following are other examples of Matthews’ sexist commentary:

    Also during MSNBC’s January 8 primary coverage, Matthews said that Clinton is the only viable woman presidential candidate “on the horizon.” He asked: “Where are the governors? Where are the big state women governors? Where are they? Name one. They don’t exist.” Referring to Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D-MI), Matthews added: “Michigan, she’s a Canadian. She can’t make it.” In fact, at least four women governors currently head states whose population size is comparable to male governors who are currently seeking or sought the presidency in 2008. Currently, seven states have female governors.
    On the September 12, 2007, edition of Hardball, Matthews began an interview with right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham by stating: “You are — I’m not allowed to say this, but I’ll say it — you’re beautiful and you’re smart. And you’ve got a huge radio audience.” When the interview ended, he asked: “Can I sing your praises?” adding, “I get in trouble for this, but you’re great looking, obviously. You’re one of the gods’ gifts to men in this country. But also, you are a hell of a writer.”

    During the interview, Matthews also stated: “But it is interesting; all day long on this network and others, I’m seeing pictures of Britney Spears. … [S]he is showing no talent. She’s showing her body. She’s obviously a good-looking young woman, wearing very little.”
    On the August 10, 2007, edition of Hardball, during a discussion of financial news, Matthews told CNBC’s Erin Burnett, “[Y]ou’re beautiful,” and, “You’re a knockout,” before closing the interview by saying, “It’s all right getting bad news from you.” Matthews also asked Burnett: “Could you get a little closer to the camera?” Burnett replied, “My — what is it?” Matthews then said: “Come on in closer. No, come in — come in further — come in closer. Really close.” After Burnett began to comply, Matthews stated, “Just kidding! You look great! Anyway, thanks, Erin, it’s great to — look at that look. You’re great.”

    A few days later, according to a “Page Six” article in the New York Post, Matthews “told Page Six he was only fooling around with Burnett because the camera lens had already made her appear closer than usual. ‘It was this weird fishbowl look. … I was just kidding around.’ ”
    During MSNBC’s April 26, 2007, coverage of the first Democratic presidential debate, Matthews discussed the “cosmetics” of the evening. In doing so, he complimented Michelle Obama’s pearl necklace and declared that she “looked perfect,” “well-turned out … attractive — classy, as we used to say. Like Frank Sinatra, ‘classy.’ ”

    Matthews said: “Some people are, by the way, just watching tonight. They stopped listening a half-hour in, and they noticed how pretty she is — Michelle — and they said, ‘I like the fact he’s [Barack Obama] got this pretty wife. He’s happily married. I like that.’ They like the fact that Hillary was demure, lady-like in her appearance.” When NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell interjected, noting “You’re talking about two … lawyers,” who went to “Harvard and Yale,” Matthews responded, “Cosmetics are a part of this game.”
    Discussing the victory speeches of Clinton and Pelosi during MSNBC’s election coverage on November 7, 2006, Matthews said to Republican pollster Frank Luntz, “Pelosi … has to do the good fight against the president over issues like minimum wage and reforming — perhaps — prescription drugs, so that people can afford drugs and get them in a program that’s easy to understand. All kinds of things like that she’ll have to go head-to-head with this president. How does she do it without screaming? How does she do it without becoming grating?”
    —J.M.

  328. Sonia: the NY magazine story is crap. The full text is posted at TM. It starts with the assumption that Hillary was defeated when the truth is she was cheated. And it ignores the possibilities of what may happen between now and the convention. It looks to me like puffery. I could not read the whole thing but doubt I missed much.

  329. Al Gore is a non-factor as far as I am concerned.

    He was a good V.P., basically in the mode of a moderate democrat. I wish he had won 2000 election. it was a devastating moment for me. George W. in 2000 to me is Obama to me in 2008.

    IMHO, the current ‘liberal’ Al Gore has gone off track dramatically. The war on global warming is a noble cause, but do people seriously believe it’s more important than war-peace, starvation, equal rights, human rights etc? I mean, come on…

    Anyway,

  330. Sonia: it looks like john mccain (henceforth John) has a good army of bloggers. They swarmed to that aol site and voted in the staw poll and buried bambi. I was underwhelmed with the opinions of these histrians. They are better at reporting history than predicting it.

  331. Wanna hurt MSNBC and Tweety Bird .. Laura Ingraham has a new show at 5pm on Fox News ..

    Give her the ratings .. she’s been decent to Hillary in some ways during the primary.

    Hurt MSNBC and shove Hardball even further in the tank.

  332. Even messiahs can struggle
    June 16, 2008 12:00am

    DEPENDING on your politics, US President George W. Bush, British prime minister Tony Blair and Australian prime minister John Howard were either amigo heroes or a demonic gang of three when they were united in arms at the pointy end of Western democratic politics.

    Mr Blair has been replaced by Gordon Brown, who is struggling. Mr Howard has been replaced by Mr Rudd, who appears to be disintegrating into self-absorbed irrelevance, and Mr Bush is bowing out to be replaced by either Republican John McCain or Democrat Barack Obama.

    Senator McCain is a distinguished former prisoner of war and a genuine war hero. Senator Obama, son of a white mother and a black Kenyan father, has been happy to run as a black man and, more importantly, as the US’s new messiah.

    The market for messiahs in politics after a lengthy incumbency is usually strong.

    Mr Brown however was no messiah; he was Mr Blair’s party anointed and impatient successor.

    Mr Rudd was the ALP’s leadership candidate of last resort, chosen after a dozen frustrating years under a succession of leaders — Kim Beazley, Simon Crean, Mark Latham and Mr Beazley again.

    As the compromise candidate after that long losing streak, Mr Rudd was initially cautious about accepting messiah status from much of the media but, given the exalted status he demands from his Cabinet and Caucus colleagues, appears to now revel in the role as if it were his by right.

    Energy Minister Martin Ferguson’s leaked memo on Mr Rudd’s embrace of the ridiculous FuelWatch policy against the advice of four ministries, including Treasury, may yet be seen as the first acknowledgement that the emperor is naked and weaken the market for messiahs.

    Senator Obama is still surfing the messianic tide that carried him through the Democratic primaries against New York Senator Hillary Clinton, encumbered as she was with enough baggage to sink the Titanic.

    He embodies the ideal of all those who place faith in optimism over the reality of experience, as crystallised by the title of his book, The Audacity of Hope.

    But as Joe Klein, probably the best writer on US politics, noted, there were at least 50 instances of what he termed “judicious on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand formulations” in the book, giving room for plenty of wriggle room should he ever have to answer for his policies.

    This ability to walk both sides of the political street has been hailed by another commentator, David Brooks of the New York Times, as “the antidote to the politics of recent years”. Maybe not. It may be seen as ambiguity or indecision.

    In fact, there is a great deal more hype than hope about Senator Obama, and as much as he may wish to gloss over details of his past (as did the prime minister from Queensland), his past is as recent as yesterday’s newspapers and he is struggling to keep ahead.

    Just a few days ago he was forced to dump Jim Johnson, a long-time supporter, when he was reminded that Mr Johnson had used his former position as the head of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) to receive sweetheart loans from a big lender.

    Senator Obama’s former friends now include his long-time pastor at the black church he attends in Chicago, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, a white activist who also preaches in Chicago, Father Michael Pfleger, and a former terrorist bomber, William Ayers.

    While Mr Johnson has a grubby conflict of interest problem, the others reflect the reality that Senator Obama has his roots firmly in the US Left and among the more extreme black leadership.

    When Mr Rudd was outed as a visitor to Scores, a notorious New York establishment favoured by those who are titillated by writhing lap-dancers and pole-dancers, he

    claimed he could not remember a moment of the experience.

    It is more difficult for Senator Obama to disassociate himself from his erstwhile religious mentors however, as he was a member of the congregation for two decades, and many of the inflammatory, racist sermons he sat through are well-documented.

    While many Americans will be seeking a new morality from their next president, it is questionable whether this is the sort of morality they had in mind.

    Senator Obama also lost a chunk of potential supporters in middle America when he told an elite audience in liberal San Francisco in April: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    While small-town Americans may be religious and they may enjoy having guns for a variety of reasons, including a fondness for hunting, they don’t like to be sneered at as “bitter” people who cling to their heritage out of frustration.

    And there is the question of his Muslim father and his own Muslim upbringing in Indonesia, which his half-brother Malik suggested last Thursday would be “good for the Jews”, a view that many US Jews may find questionable given the senator’s proposal to hold talks with the leadership of Iran and the terrorist organisation Hamas.

    But the biggest challenge for Senator Obama is whether sufficient numbers of white voters will be able to put aside all they know about him now, and what they learn about him before September, to accept him as sufficiently similar to them — in his views and culture — to be their next president.
    http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,23869924-5006550,00.html

  333. “Some people are, by the way, just watching tonight. They stopped listening a half-hour in, and they noticed how pretty she is — Michelle — and they said, ‘I like the fact he’s [Barack Obama] got this pretty wife.
    ———————————————————————
    Pretty? Try pretty angry. That I can buy.

    Every time Matthews goes off his meds (prozac) this is what happens.

  334. The Confluence had an article about why, if the DNC already knew Obammerroid would be the nominee as early as March 2007 when his campaign first leased Chicago office space now being expanded to provide room for DNC refugees, they even bothered with the primaries. The entire process has been a relentless slow-motion coronation.

    I’ve got a nagging feeling that the GE has been pre-determined, too, and just as we were helpless to stop Obammerroid’s illegal coup, the same may be true in November.

    I am really worried and depressed about this. Any thoughts?

  335. All kinds of things like that she’ll have to go head-to-head with this president. How does she do it without screaming? How does she do it without becoming grating?”

    Damn. What an asshole.

    I am hoping and praying that Matthews runs for Senate. Please. Please. Please.

  336. moononpluto Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Gore endorsing Obama is going to piss off a lot of republicans, he’s not well liked.

    Many of them, do not believe in global warming, and were upset, by McCain’s environmental stance.

  337. come, come, Basil.

    I think Obama has a good a chance as anybody, but let’s not underestimate the GOP. It’s still early. The fight doesn’t begin until after August. Right now, both sides are strategizing and doing op research.

    Michelle is a walking ping pong ball.

  338. I can’t believe how stupid Obama’s campaign is.

    I just saw it scrolling on Fox. Obama’s campaign has said that the traditional swing states are not necessary for them to win this year, lol, are they fucking seriously clueless. I hope you swing states are watching, coz i would be pissed off if he said, hey i don’t need you.

  339. # filbertsf Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    JanH, I think it was Sonia who had that link to linfar’s blog on that website. Sonia is good at digging up old posts perhaps she can find it. I can’t seem to.

    I think the website is called clintonsupportersforobama, but I’m not sure.

    The linfar “discussion” (more like a rant from me) happened early last week.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    I think that for some people, it’s more important to have an audience than it is to believe in a cause. So for like Linfar, since the “Clinton Game” is no longer apparently playable, they’ll play the “Obama Game”. I think Taylor Mash is in the same league.

    But I like the gang here. We started off fighting solely fighting FOR Clinton, and we didn’t necessarily think Obama was the worst thing since unsliced bread. But as we got to know him…we began to realize that he needs to be prevented from taking power. The guy is a megalomaniac.

    So we still get to play a game, either “Stop Obama Game” or the “McCain Game”. Whatever’s your thing, baby.

  340. Hi Filbert.
    Here’s the article from Riverdaughter. If the DNC rigged the dem primaries who’s to say the same can’t be done with the GE, especially since the Illinois Combine included repubs and dems. What doya think?
    Have you ever been on the receiving end of some practical joke or confidence scheme? You know, where you’ve been lead on for a good long time only to find everything was a scam and deception from the word go?

    That’s the way I feel about this past primary season now that the DNC has effectively picked the winner and moved the whole racket to Chicago. BTW, what is the exact definition of racketeering and has the DNC defrauded its donors and Clinton supporters of money?

    Commenter CognitiveDissonance expresses my growing bewilderment and anger pretty well:

    This is theft, pure and simple. And not just theft of Sen. Clinton’s chances of winning the nomination, but of so much more. It is theft of the thousands (probably millions) of hours spent by all her volunteers and staff – time we’ll never get back. Theft of the millions and millions of dollars that we contributed to Sen. Clinton. And theft of Sen. Clinton’s personal assets, since she contributed to her own campaign to fight until the end, and is now in the hole. Sen. Clinton is now in a bad financial situation regarding the debt of her campaign because of these thieves.

    I never thought I’d see the day that one democrat would use racist smears against another to get elected. I also never thought I’d see the day that one democrat and the party leaders would blatantly steal like they have this cycle. I just can’t get past this. I would rather see the party die altogether than get away with this. It can’t continue as a viable party if this is let stand.

    Friends, we really need to get to the bottom of this because if this whole primary season was fixed before it even started,where was our input, free will, enfranchisement? If it was all an exercise in futility it is something that must NEVER happen again

    The DNC has some massive explaining to do and possible legal action required. It makes the calls for unity as cynical a ploy as we previously thought. In fact, the bloggers who instantly signed onto this fraud after Clinton suspended her campaign might want to consider walking it back. This party and candidate would be a disgrace and they put themselves at risk of contamination. I hope for the DNC’s sake it isn’t true. Anger and fury would be only the beginnings.

    Anglachel has more on this in Logistics.

  341. moononpluto Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    I can’t believe how stupid Obama’s campaign is.

    I just saw it scrolling on Fox. Obama’s campaign has said that the traditional swing states are not necessary for them to win this year, lol
    &&&&&

    I don’t see them doing well in swing states. In fact, they’ll have trouble winning in what should be blue states: CA, NJ, MA, it’s a long list.

    Seriously, if we help win CA for McCain, Obama’s completely toast.

    Of course, FL and MI will have their revenge on that b*stard.

  342. moonpluto,

    Yeah. Obammerroid thinks he can do it without Florida and Michigan by signing up more AA’s in states like Georgia.

    There was a link to the article somewhere upthread.

    👿

  343. Charisma isn’t enough
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  344. There’s quite a few states that will tip red easily with him on the ballot, and if bambi thinks he is going to take any of those southern redneck states, he’s drunk the kool aid himself.

  345. Charisma isn’t enough
    POSTED: June 15, 2008

    Now that Sen. Barack Obama clearly will be the Democratic Party’s nominee for president, facing Sen. John McCain in the November election, Americans can get down to examining the issues.

    To date, the focus has been primarily on personalities — on image, not substance. We doubt that a majority of voters really have thought much about how the candidates stand on specific issues.

    With five months left in the campaign leading up to November, there is plenty of time for Americans to reflect that Obama, while portraying himself as a moderate, offers nothing but ultra-liberal ideas of the type that have failed the nation in the past.

    Thus far, Obama has been able to capitalize on his charisma. He has wooed and won many voters solely on the strength of that. He has faced few probing questions from the press or, for that matter, from Hillary Clinton, about policy. That may be because Obama and Clinton agree in principle on so many issues.

    That honeymoon with the press and public is about to end, we hope. Critical issues — will Americans be safer under a President McCain or under Obama, for example — need to be addressed. The focus now needs to be on the candidates as leaders and policy makers, not as “personalities.”

    http://www.messengernews.net/page/content.detail/id/506569.html

  346. Florida, Ohio, Michigan will be tough, Penn will not go easily to him, Missouri, forget it, Georgia, can i laugh, WV, bwahhhhhhhhhhhh, KY, lol, CA, that’ll be fun.

  347. birdgal,

    Gore, Kerry, Edwards, these folks, hardcore republicians hate them but they’re not afraid of them. On the contrary, they’ve often been relentlessly ridiculed, mocked as losers.

    Clintons, they hate them with passion, but they also fear bill and hillary.

  348. NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)–Despite media speculation to the contrary, three new polls show that evangelicals, including Southern Baptist pastors, support Republican John McCain over Democrat Barack Obama by wide margins.

    The polls were released as Obama courts Christian leaders and voters in hopes of cutting into what has traditionally been a Republican stronghold. During the Democratic primary, Obama’s campaign released a flyer in conservative Kentucky showing him at a pulpit, with a cross in the background, quoting him as saying, “I won’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I go out and do the Lord’s work.” The flyer called Obama a “committed Christian.”

    But, so far, Obama’s outreach hasn’t put a significant dent in McCain’s support among evangelicals. For instance:

    — 80 percent of Southern Baptist pastors plan to vote for McCain and only 1 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 778 pastors conducted by LifeWay Research in April and May. Fifteen percent were undecided.

    — 78 percent of likely evangelical voters say they’ll vote for McCain, according to a survey of 1,003 adults conducted in May by The Barna Group.

    — 57 percent of evangelical Protestants say they’ll vote for McCain and 25 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 3,002 adults in April and May commissioned by the Paul B. Henry Institute for the Study of Christianity and Politics at Calvin College. Additionally, 54 percent of evangelical Protestants identify themselves as Republicans — down only 2 percent from a similar poll in 2004.

    The differences between the results from the Barna and Calvin College surveys could be explained by examining the respective survey’s methodology. Calvin College’s survey simply asked people if they considered themselves evangelicals; Barna’s survey used a series of detailed questions to determine if someone actually is an evangelical. Also, the Calvin College survey was conducted while Hillary Clinton was still a Democratic candidate.

    In 2004, President Bush won 78 percent of the vote among white evangelicals, according to exit polls.

    Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, told Baptist Press McCain’s support among Southern Baptist pastors isn’t surprising.

    “My explanation of that is that I have heard variations of this theme too many times to count and the theme is, ‘I’d rather have a third-rate fireman than a first-class arsonist,'” Land said, echoing what people have told him.

    Even though McCain is seen as somewhat of a maverick on some issues, he and Obama nevertheless still offer a stark contrast on what have traditionally been viewed as the leading issues for social conservatives.

    Obama is pro-choice, has said he “will not yield” on the issue of abortion, opposes the ban on partial-birth abortion and has said the “first thing” he’d do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act, a proposed law that would codify abortion-on-demand as the law of the land and also overturn every pro-life law — such as mandatory waiting periods, parental notifications and partial-birth abortion bans — on the federal and state level. Obama has been endorsed by NARAL Pro-Choice America. McCain has a consistent pro-life record on abortion, supports the ban on partial-birth abortion and has been endorsed by National Right to Life.

    On the issue of judges, Obama voted against both of President Bush’s Supreme Court nominees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. He also spoke last year to Planned Parenthood and underscored his commitment to making sure the Supreme Court upholds Roe v. Wade. McCain voted for Roberts and Alito and favors overturning Roe. He also has pledged to nominate justices “in the cast of” Roberts and Alito and has criticized what he calls examples of “judicial activism.”

    “For decades now, some federal judges have taken it upon themselves to pronounce and rule on matters that were never intended to be heard in courts or decided by judges,” McCain said during a speech this year.

  349. kostner, when I first went to McCain’s blog, it was amazing to hear comments from the “other side.” I hate to say this, but they aren’t too far off base, some of the time. Other times, they are as looney as the extreme left wing.

    When people were talking about EV, someone said, “Thank God, no one is listening to Hillary.” This was about 6 weeks ago.

  350. just caught brit hume saying coming up “obama may have to refute a family member too”

    WOW!! i bet this is about his 1/2 brother saying he is a muslim 😀

  351. California is NOT a given for the Democrats McCain has a great opportunity to win the State.

    Hillary Clinton supporter need to hold firm against Obama’s “cult of personality” delegates because just like before it’s all about Obama getting power and holding it…not about issues concerning this state.

    Issue politics are not important for Chicago Political Machine…it’s all about personal loyalty to the Brand. The Daley Machine has been in power for DECADES and Chicago is one of the most racist city in this country divided up by neighborhoods which each Ward running like a little fiefdoms.

    All the DNC did was to elevate the Corrupted Chicago Politcal Machine to a national level…that is their big plan. To replace the Daley Political Machine at the national level with the Obama (Daley backed) Machine supported by radicals and fanatics.

  352. yep! brit was talking about malik’s comment and even showed the picture of malik holding a picture of him and obama in muslim dress!!!!! 😀

    GOP better run with this now!!

  353. “The biggest f*** you I have ever seen”: Obama hires Hillary’s ex-campaign managerposted at 3:20 pm on June 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
    Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Thus fulfilling the pressing need within his campaign for a woman known for watching soap operas on the job and blowing $30 million on a de facto uncontested senate re-election campaign. Jake Tapper’s not sure what it means and neither am I. But one Hillary bundler thinks he does:
    A former bundler to Hillary Clinton just called in to tell me that Barack Obama’s selection of Patti Solis Doyle as chief of staff to the campaign’s eventual vice presidential nominee is the “biggest f*** you I have ever seen in politics.”
    The donor, speaking on background, said that everyone in Clinton circles knows the two have hard feelings towards one another and haven’t spoken since Clinton removed Solis Doyle as campaign manager, and that Clinton loyalists view her with deep suspicion and believe that she is shopping around a book deal and acted as a background source for an extremely harsh Vanity Fair piece about Bill Clinton…
    “You don’t hire Patti Solis Doyle for her operational expertise,” said the bundler. “You don’t do that. This is someone who failed dramatically at her job. You only bring her on to f*** someone else.”
    She’s supposed to serve as chief of staff to whoever the VP candidate is, although as Noam Scheiber says, she’ll probably be more of a liaison between Team Barry and the veep’s real COS than someone running day to day operations. The obvious read on this is that it’s Obama’s way of luring Hillary supporters, but why would he do that by hiring someone who let her down (and may now be a full-fledged enemy) instead of bringing in, say, Wolfson or Maggie Williams? If there’s a backlash in the media from Clinton loyalists in the next few days, it’s only going to deepen the “party unity, my ass” sentiment and Obama surely knows that. Exit question: What’s this really all about, then? Talk Left notes that Axelrod and Solis Doyle are friends of long standing, so maybe he simply did her a solid by setting her up with a sinecure? That’s one expensive favor if it ends up hardening Hillaryland’s grudge.
    Update: Message delivered and message received:
    One thing the move does suggest, insiders believe, is that Hillary Clinton’s chances of being tapped for the vice presidency are now slim to nil.
    “This alone means that Hillary won’t be the V.P. choice,” wrote one.
    According to two close Clinton confidantes, the Senator and Solis Doyle have not spoken since her firing months ago. And there is a sense that bad blood lingers between the two. Some officials in Clinton’s orbit were disappointed, if not angered, by the fact that Solis Doyle had been in touch with the Obama campaign about possibly coming on board. Solis Doyle, meanwhile, is rumored to have felt particularly scapegoated by her firing.
    Said one individual with knowledge of the Clinton campaign’s political leanings: “It would be pretty awkward if Hillary Clinton were picked as vice president and Patti was there to be her chief of staff.”

  354. moonpluto,

    ‘Obama Camp says he can win without Florida and Ohio.’

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/16/obama-camp-we-can-win-without-ohio-florida/

  355. If the Patti Solis Doyle hire is indeed a clear signal that Bambi is not even remotely considering Hillary for VP, as seems to be the case, well, then makes everything clear. I won’t vote for Obama under any circumstances, and will work actively to ensure that he is not elected.

    McCain would be a much better president.

  356. The Obama campaign is the biggest trainwreck I have ever seen in presidential politics since, well, Walter Mondale’s escapades. What kind of IDIOT in Chicago decided to fu**ing ANNOUNCE that they don’t need Florida and Ohio?!?!? Why would you EVER say that?!?! What good can POSSIBLY come of a statement like that?!?! Its only purpose is to serve the ego of whomever said it. Wow.

  357. That honeymoon with the press and public is about to end, we hope. Critical issues — will Americans be safer under a President McCain or under Obama, for example — need to be addressed. The focus now needs to be on the candidates as leaders and policy makers, not as “personalities.”

    Why do people keep hoping and predicting that the Obama-BM honeymoon will end? It’s not. It will continue all the way through Nov. Let’s stop deluding ourselves. NBC’s Lee Cowan comment about finding it difficult to be objective about BO should serve as a warning to come.

    If Hillary suffered the fate of sexism, McCain will be a victim of ageism and it will be as blatant as was the sexism. When BO’s poll numbers are down or he’s have a gaffe week, the press and the surrogates will employ ageism. I should know. I call McCain “grandpa” all the time. I’m guilty of it.

    Nothing scares Americans more than their President keeling over and dying on them while wars rages on. McCain and his people have better come up with the strategy to combat it. If not, his boat will sink faster than the Titanic.

  358. moonpluto,

    ‘Obama Camp says he can win without Florida and Ohio.’

    Good i am from Ohio. I can’t wait to pass this around. We don’t want HIM and he knows it.

  359. from politico.com

    Tie goes to Obama

    A reader points out the prospect of a 269-269 electoral vote split — which would happen if McCain holds Florida and Michigan, wins New Hampshire, but loses Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico.

    The tie, determined by state delegations to the House of Representatives, would go to Obama.

  360. from politico.com

    Doing her part

    Clinton gamely puts out a statement on Patti Solis Doyle going to work for Obama:

    “Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States,” said spokesman Mo Elleithee.

  361. meiyingsu Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
    from politico.com

    Tie goes to Obama

    A reader points out the prospect of a 269-269 electoral vote split — which would happen if McCain holds Florida and Michigan, wins New Hampshire, but loses Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico.

    The tie, determined by state delegations to the House of Representatives, would go to Obama.

    Want happen McCain is going to win or Hillary

  362. Everyone,
    Remember back as early as March all the talking pigs were saying HRC should get out of the race? A couple of days ago i posted that i thought even they knew the fix was in and as time dragged on without her concession Doberman, Tingle-thighs and crew became increasingly incensed at having their storyline hijacked. Why was the media so in the tank for Obammerrhoid unless there were sweetheart deals in the works, previously agreed upon, which wouldn’t go into effect until HRC dropped out?
    And why has Obammerrhoid always had that obnoxious air of expectancy? Even when HRC crept up from behind he didn’t flinch. It’s as if he knew that the DNC and dems would always come to his rescue.
    It’s as if he knew there was no way he could lose. And the RBC 5/31 ruling proved him right, as does the DNC relocation to Chicago.
    Something is horribly wrong, not just legally, morally, politically, but there’s also an ominous nightmarish horror-movie component to it, a doomsday theme which could affect the world. OK, I know i get dramatic but I feel as if we’re witnessing an H G Wells moment, A War of the ([political) Worlds.

  363. meiyingsu Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    from politico.com

    Doing her part

    Clinton gamely puts out a statement on Patti Solis Doyle going to work for Obama:

    “Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we’re all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States,” said spokesman Mo Elleithee.

    Hillary is making me

  364. Berkeley Vox,

    It’s kind of funny I was open to the idea of Clinton being O’s V.P about one or two weeks. But this idea has gradually vanished over the course…

    This is great news, it will further harden the feelings of those Hillary dems who still like a so-called dream ticket. It will drive more soft anti-Obama, pro-Hillary dems into voting for Mccain as a vote against bambi.

    It makes our work easily to be united against bambi!!!

    Yeeeeeeehhh

  365. kostner,

    about Doyle:

    I KNEW she was an incompetent snake when rumors about her contact with Obammerrhoid surfaced and a lot of posters insisted on giving her the benefit of the doubt.

    In a way, that’s a good sign coz now the VP won’t be offered and HRC won’t have to accept it. 👿

  366. The AP reports that John McCain said Monday the federal moratorium on offshore oil and gas drilling should be lifted, and individual states given the right to pursue energy exploration in waters near their own coasts. With gasoline prices rising and the United States chronically dependent on foreign oil, the Republican presidential contender said his proposal would “be very helpful in the short term resolving our energy crisis.” McCain also suggested giving the states incentives, including a greater share of royalties paid by companies that drill for oil, as an incentive to permit exploration.
    ———————————————————————-

    This is big news and finally McCain got it. Working class dems/Republicans/Conservatives want low oil prices HERE and NOW. Drill HERE and NOW.

    Will working class dems hold their breath and patiently wait on Obama/Peolosi’s $150bn plan in 10 years to find an ‘ALTERNATIVE’ energy while seeing oil prices jump to $5, $6, $10??

    This is a great way for Mccain to distinguish himself from bambi and a great way to win working class dems in OH/PA/MI…

    Sorry, Al, I believe cheaper oil price is more important than your ‘noble’ cause.

  367. 😳

    Meant to add, i also think reports that HRC would be the most powerful member of the senate are premature. Obammerrhoid will do something to sabotage that.

    An Obamarrehoid Administration will do everything it can to marginalize, trivialize, humiliate and discard HRC. This is a battle to the bitter end. 😥

  368. berkeley vox,
    About Florida and Ohio:
    Another of my pet theories is that the plan was to get rid of the Clintons and THEN throw the GE to Johnny-mac through a series of deliberate self-defeating alienating declarations like ‘We don’t need Florida and Ohio.”

    Sounds awfully similar to Cruellas’s “Message to the BAse: STAY HOME!”

    WTF is going on???????

  369. kostner: that is exactly what the Republicans want to be done, and it needs to be done.

    basil: i agree.

  370. basil9,

    I long believed this is a zero-sum battle. There’s no question on my mind Obama and his minions are the gravest danger to democracy and national security. Whatever it takes, how long it will to defeat these brownshirt facists, nobody has the answer yet.

    But make no mistake, his fate will be worse than George W. Bush.

  371. So McCain thinks the environment is a free-for-all. Damn bastard is making it very difficult for me to vote for him.

    Stupid, stupid idea.

  372. Filbert,
    “Why do people keep hoping and predicting that the Obama-BM honeymoon will end? . . . Let’s stop deluding ourselves.”

    Much as it has pained me to come to that conclusion i agree. Better to face reality then pretend it doesn’t exist.

    birdgal,

    All I can say is check the 2012 Mayan Calendar.

  373. filbertsf Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
    So McCain thinks the environment is a free-for-all. Damn bastard is making it very difficult for me to vote for him.

    Stupid, stupid idea.

    hE can say it is night, but i know it is day. I will still vote for him over O

  374. filbertsf,

    I strongly disagree with you. Mccain is actually too far to my left on environmental issues. He’s buying into that GW even more so than many skeptical moderate dems.

    I don’t have the answer to this scientific question. I, however, simply aren’t buying into Al’s dire proclaimation. He’s exaggerating the entire GW thing to further his ‘noble’ cause. I’m very sceptical about his motives.

  375. Two Days Ago, Claiming Obama Needed to Go to Iraq Was ‘Absolute Garbage’

    The latest chapter of Obama’s “No, You’re Wrong” slogan:

    The Houston Chronicle, June 14:

    On the home page of the Republican National Committee a live streamer lists the days, hours, minutes and seconds since Obama’s only trip to Iraq. His lack of a recent first-hand view means he “has no credibility discussing the future of Iraq,” says Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan.

    Susan Rice, senior foreign policy adviser to the Obama campaign, calls that “complete garbage.”

    The Boston Globe, today:

    Barack Obama pledged today to visit Iraq and Afghanistan before the November election so he can see first hand the progress of the wars he would inherit if he’s elected president.

  376. filberts: I think, it still needs to go through Congress. The way things are, any little bit will help. He does care about the environment, and voted against ANWR.

  377. kostner, I don’t even know why you support Hillary. You are no centrist. You don’t even have an ounce of Democrat in you. Everything you ever wrote here sounds more like a freaking RW/libertarian to me.

    Hillary doesn’t even support some of your positions. She’s against drilling in ANWAR and actually believes GW is a threat to us.

    Drilling for oil and feeding the mass gas consumption is myopic and a short-term solution. It’s like giving more alcohol to an alcoholic without giving him the tools to get off of his addiction.

    What Grandpa ought to be doing and saying to appeal to people like me is to invest in energy independence. Leave ANWAR alone. If you don’t think Grandpa just lost more former Hillary crossover with his pledge, you just don’t understand Democrats at all. We love Hillary and we’re the anti-Obama voters. But keep pressing his luck and many will just end up voting for Obama.

    Remember Hillary’s plan for Green Jobs? You do still remember who Hillary is, don’t you?

    You know why I can say this to you? Because I know you’ll vote against BO no matter what I say.

  378. Well…

    I believe with gas prices as high as they are, people are looking for relief, even if there is no REAL relief immediately. The Saudi/Mexico/Venezuela perceived stranglehold on Americans have them going “nationalism” and who is the big AMERICAN hero in this? McCain. I don;t think drilling and green jobs are at odd, personally.

    What I do know is that people who are making minimum wage now look at an hour of work for a gallon of gas and that doesn’t add up to them…

  379. “Barack Obama pledged today to visit Iraq and Afghanistan before the November election so he can see first hand the progress of the wars he would inherit if he’s elected president.”

    and McCain again drove this agenda. Baby is in reactionary mode now.

    Did anyone see him with that umbrella? Now how tough and presidential was THAT?

  380. “In a way, that’s a good sign coz now the VP won’t be offered and HRC won’t have to accept it. :evil:”

    this is intreresting…doesn’t the Veep get to pick their OWN Chief of Staff?

  381. Tom Delay: Obama Presidency Would Be a Big Gift for the GOP
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/16/tom-delay-obama-presidency-would-be-a-big-gift-for-the-gop/#more-3099
    By SusanUnPCgravatarcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: noquarterusa.net/

    “Their biggest weakness is Barack Obama.” In this video snippet, Tom Delay repeatedly calls Obama a Marxist. Talks about Obama’s membership in a church, compares it to his own membership in his church because HIS church “reflects” his “values.” Delay talks about “Black Liberation Theology,” calling it a “Marxist-humanist” faith.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW7KRbsFT50

    “He’s going to have a very hard time running away from who he is.”

    Yes, Tom.

    We know that.

    Would that the DNC got a clue.

    There’s still time to nominate Hillary Clinton, a more formidable opponent to John McCain, particularly since she won the battleground states that John McCain’s campaign has now set his sights on.

    There’s still time … wake up!

    ::::::::

    This video was posted at NoQuarterUSA’s channel at YouTube on June 15, 2008.

  382. Hey norma,

    I know what you mean but with the way DNC changes the ROOOOLZZZZ (at Obammerrhoids insistence, no doubt) I’m sure the little matter of the VP choosing the COS could be modified too.

    😈

  383. Norma, they don’t even know how much oil is at the ANWAR site. They don’t know how much oil offshore drilling will yield. It’s all just guess. However, they are gunning to rape and pillage pristine areas filled with endangered species just to get their hands on oil that may not even be there.

    It’s myopic. We need long-term solutions. Let’s say there is oil, how long will that last us? And if that runs out, what do we do next?

    The reason gas is high is because of greed and b/c of China and India’s booming economy. They are just lapping up oil. China has begun to invest in Africa and unless the US can be energy independent, sooner or later, oil will be the start of many wars.

  384. dija,

    I saw that. Delay was positively giddy with delight! Running against a Marxist Black Liberation Theology candidate is a repub dream come true. 👿

    Ya know, I’m not much of a TV viewer but even i caught snippets of the 2 recent shows starring an American Prez; one a woman (West Wing?) and the other a black man (24). here goes my conspiracy mania again . . . think that was just COINCIDENCE? Maybe the media was softening the public up . . .

  385. Folks, the handwriting is on the wall, they hired Patty to keep Hillary from accepting the job! If she doesn’t except the job, she will be blamed for Obama’s loss and therefore will be put to pasture, that’s what the democrats want, Clintons to be gone!

  386. filbert, I know an agree with some of what you say….

    HOWEVER, I remember as a kid riding out west and seeing mile after mile of oil rigs pumping away. The technology has changed a GREAT DEAL since then, and I believe we can put good resources to work. I DO NOT Support drilling in ANWAR, but with the Chinese and who ever drilling 60 miles off the Florida Coast anyway (and there are plenty of rigs all in the gulf) what the hell does it matter? I don;t think it is an either/or situation…alternative energy OR Oil. We could have a BRAND NEW energy system fall out of planet Mars TODAY and we would all STILL be driving gasoline powered automobiles. The entire CHANGE IN THE INDUSTRY, including how we power everything from our cars to our airplanes to our lawn mowers will have to be changed, and yes, this will create JOBS, so people can BUY these new fangled things, but there IS an immediate need, and if you have been following, ethanol stock was just rated a SELL because of the flooding in the Midwest. Corn is $7 a bushel when it used to be $4 last year and all those people who are making $5.75 are getting evicted. Me included. I cannot afford the gas on my self-employment income as a painter and I have been unable to fins a full-time job, even though I have a resume as long as your arm. Obama LAUGHS at a .30 cent savings on a gallon of gas, I see a tank at that rate as something else I can buy at the grocery store.

  387. I may have to trudge off to ANWAR and kill an elk soon myself for food and clothing if things don;t improve.

  388. confloyd,
    I think HRC would accept VP if offered and then get rid of PD. I don’t think she wants VP, though. I agree the DNC objective is destroying the Clintons.
    Time for some laughs:
    From NQ:
    Obama is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up.

    Reply to this comment

    Bambi got stalled at the top of a certain journalists leg.

  389. What kind of IDIOT in Chicago decided to fu**ing ANNOUNCE that they don’t need Florida and Ohio?!?!? Why would you EVER say that?!?! What good can POSSIBLY come of a statement like that?!?! Its only purpose is to serve the ego of whomever said it. Wow.

    How many times can the New Democratic Party tell Florida to go eff themselves?

    BTW, the Obama campaign feed the AP a story today that the reason the Denver convention is broke is because Clinton’s big donors aren’t ponying up and Clinton needs to make them donate! Get this, they had the never to single out Ron Burkle and say that he should donate to Obama’s convention! ROFL.

  390. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
    I may have to trudge off to ANWAR and kill an elk soon myself for food and clothing if things don;t improve.

    Northern CA has some elk. You wouldn’t have to go all the way to ANWAR. There might be some in Wyoming. But, they are probably on protected land, so you couldn’t get one, even if, you were starving.

  391. hwc: let all of BO’s grassroots donors pony up the funds for the convention. Supposedly, they are in the millions. Blaming the Clintons is STUPID.

  392. Birdgal:

    “There might be some in Wyoming. But, they are probably on protected land, so you couldn’t get one, even if, you were starving.”

    Land either Ted Turner or Cheney own, and you know what Cheney can do with a gun……

  393. hwc: the reason the DNC is broke, is because the BO campaign wants all funds given to them directly. Blaming the Clintons, is another smoke screen. Giving money is optional, unless you are part of the Chicago Columbine. I loathe the BO campaign, more with each passing day. The democratic party is in ruins. I don’t know, what it stands for, any longer.

  394. It would be interesting to go back and look at the rantings of the Typical Trolls when Solis-Doyle was fired, and compare that to the praises theyy are having today.

  395. filbertsf,

    I respectufully disagree. The truth is i listen to the arguments of both sides. What you’re saying is pretty much the hardcore environmentalists’ ‘facts’, but there are also other ‘facts’ from the other side. They said the actually area in ANWA that will be exploited is no bigger than some airports. I don’t know who has the truth, the very truth, but I always believe there’s middle ground in between.

    To wait for ‘alternative energy’ to miraculously save our ass is simply propaganda. I do believe there’s a big bubble in oil prices, my major was finance, I learned the demand of oil hasn’t really increased much over the past 1 year thanks to increasingly unaffordable oil prices, the huge run-up in oil prices over the past few month has the every fingerprints of international speculators.

    How to burst the bubble? You get seriously about drilling, and believe me, even it’s just a few years away, the current insane bubble will burst in no time.

    Anyway, this is just a very trivial issue for all of us. It doesn’t matter on a grand scale. I’ll stop arguing on this issue.

    Just read this from another board….

    As an anecdote, I recently attended a non-political function where most of the audience consisted of moderate Democrats. A candidate for senate in the upcoming Democratic primary tried to tap dance with the drilling issue and was beaten to a bloody pulp. Unprompted, the vast majority of questions revolved around domestic oil production.

    If McCain can come around on offshore drilling, he can come around on ANWR. This is where the public is now, even if this most defensible proposal might get McCain some bad ink in the NYT and WaPo…something even he must realize will happen regardless of what he does.

    This won’t win the election, of course, but it will (and would) make the task easier

  396. “An Obamarrehoid Administration will do everything it can to marginalize, trivialize, humiliate and discard HRC.”

    Basil, you said a mouthful! Except that “an Obama campaign, the DNC, and the media has been doing this all along.

  397. birdgal, surprised, no, but diguested.

    I got an email from him, responded, “Goodbye.”

    and unsubscribed from his email list.

  398. Regarding Al, again, he’s been irrelevant in my dictionary for a long time. He’s doing what he’s supposed to do. I dont hold grudge against him, nobody except the fawning media/kos land cares about the nobel prize he got anyway.

  399. norma,
    Don’t remember enough about the details of TD’s shenanigans to comment convincingly (politcally sluggish ’til this election) but here are a couple of nq posters on tommy.
    -Did you ever think you’d see the day when Tom Delay was the voice of reason in this country? Maybe Hell has frozen over…
    – How I’ve hated Delay over the years.
    But this is the twilight Zone.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend!McCain is the FIREWALL against the hostile takeover of our great country.
    -Never in a million years did I ever think I would say, Thank you Tom Delay

  400. Well…I hate too say it, but yet ANOTHER loser of the Presidency (even tho Al is at the margins of that, the facts are the facts) comes out for Obama

    Let’s see now…..

    Kennedy
    Kerry
    Bradley
    Dean
    Gore
    Edwards (via Kerry)
    Carter (won, but lost)

    who am I missing

    LOOKS A LOT like OLD WASHINGTON to ME

    He certainly has not been endorsed by a WINNING Democratic President…

    HEY, MAYBE THAT’S THE PROBLEM! LOL

    Admin…maybe time for “The Hypocrites, Part II”

  401. By the way everyone is talking on here, apparently Gore has endorsed Bambi. Next, we will see WJC endorse the little idiot.

  402. janh,

    Very true. They’ve been torturing her all along and now that they’ve apparently ‘won’ they’ll do what Farrakhan urged the crowd in the “Why White People Owe Us’ video; “K*** ’em all and then dig ’em up from their graves and do it again coz they didn’t d** hard enough.”

  403. Very interesting read over at hillaryclinton.net:
    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=17011

    This little tidbit caught my eye because I said something very similar myself several weeks (months?) ago:
    For one thing, it’s not necessarily written in stone that the presumptive G.O.P. nominee will get voted in at the convention next September. Anyone who assumes McCain is the guy to beat really doesn’t appreciate Karl Rove’s ability to turn a presidential election on its head. Remember, America’s favorite dirty trickster is still out on the lam, probably whistling the old Grateful Dead tune Friend of the Devil as he forages around the Fox News Channel studios each weekday afternoon.

    The neoCons HATE McCain, and Republicans do not behave like Democrats. They have no problem “falling in line” and doing as they are told. My only hope at this point is that there is some serious behind the scenes manuvering going on. Bambi canNOT win and every single SuperD should know it.

    Everyone pretty much seems to be in agreement that the stakes are skyhigh this election, it boggles the mind that these professional politicians insist on allowing the woman responsible for the Gore 2000 loss (exactly how responsible was Brazile for the decision to keep a muzzle on the Big Dawg?) to orchestrate the demise of Democrats in 2008 (“We [the Congressional Black Caucus] will be able pick the Democratic Nominee”)?

  404. JanH Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “An Obamarrehoid Administration will do everything it can to marginalize, trivialize, humiliate and discard HRC.”

    Basil, you said a mouthful! Except that “an Obama campaign, the DNC, and the media has been doing this all along.
    ============

    And the next step would be to force her to take VP so she could elect him and give up her own Senate career and spend the next eight years ironing his shirt!

    Let’s show them that they will LOSE more votes by making her VP, than they would gain.

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

  405. Norma, Sorry, but the little idiot is like a spoiled child and is getting his way with everyone, even those we consider having a normal amount of intelligence. I don’t get it, they made Hillary endorse him, why would you think they won’t make Bill.

    On another note, I read over at Noquarter, the post run interview with Hillary. I came away with one conclusion, that is she will take the veep spot bc she herself says she doesn’t like showy part of the presidency, she likes the work end,anything to further the democrat agenda.

  406. djia, that video reminds me how out of touch that Kerry is with the common person in the U.S. Just watching the video reminds me why John Kerry lost the election!

  407. John Kerry is a jerk and acting like an idiot. He gives way too much power to BO. The arrogance is amazing.

  408. Russert was a Clinton hater from the beginning. His legacy was diminished by his “gotcha” mentality and total bias for Obama and disdain for Senator Hillary Clinton and former President William Jefferson Clinton. When in his condolence statement Bo called him a :friend” he finally spoke the truth. Russert and his henchmen at MSNBC got you the nomination and for that you owe him and his family a lot. Russert was the ultimate Washington insider who made tens of millions while trying to portray himself as the ‘working man’s journalist. Like Mathews and Olberman, he was no Edward R. Murrow, Walter Kronkite, or even Dan Rather. Nonetheless, rip and sympathies to his family whom he seemingly always mentioned in many of his shows.

  409. confloyd and birdgal………..so glad that Kerry never became president, as i now really think he would of been worse than bush!

  410. NYCMax,
    I was thinking the same thing about Cruella. Who the heck gave her a DNC power position and WHY??????? Was she elected? Assigned? I don’t get it!

    Incompetence is bad enough but add nastiness and arrogance to the mix and what you get is Cruella. I guess she convinced someone she’d paid her dues talking to ‘Joe and Jane Sixpack’ all these years. 👿

    Dijas, can’t bear to watch Horseface but did he really SAY (or just imply) vote for Obammerrhoid coz he’s black? 🙄

  411. turndownobama:

    “And the next step would be to force her to take VP so she could elect him and give up her own Senate career and spend the next eight years ironing his shirt!”

    That’s what I think. Talk about sadistic! They’re bent on burying her no matter what it takes.

  412. djia Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
    Unfreakin believable!!! John Kerry: Vote Obama – “Because He is a Black Man”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71c2FXsbEw

    *****************************************************
    I’m Black and this is f*cking insulting…we call it Liberal Racism and this IDIOT has proved this with this video.

    But let me tell you this if I wasn’t so afraid and OBAMBI’s associates and thei ANTI-AMERICAN views and a experience African American, Colin Powell, ran against Hillary Clinton I prolly would have voted for the AA but to say this man credentials to be president is because he is BLACK….puhlease what delusions of grandure in that PEA BRAIN OF John Kerry.

    At least GWB choose Colin Powell and Condi Rice two very qualified and experieced appointees for their high level positions.

  413. Carey-stupid as usual. Remember his stupid statement dispargaing our troops in Iraq. He has the political instincts of a corpse.

  414. fuck barack obama and the whole dnc. I’ll never roll over and vote for him and I will remember ever back stabber who has hurt Hillary and Bill.

    I douse fire on the flames every chance I get, that is how we keep this burning.

    Talk, talk, talk.

    Don’t let people be lulled into the “oh well we gotta just get a democrat in office”

    Country before Party. That’s my mantra.

    It’s a shame that Hannity is the only one on tv who dares to question the audacity of this bunch of bullshit that Waffles is peddling.

    Fuck Al Gore too.

  415. Confloyd: On another note, I read over at Noquarter, the post run interview with Hillary. I came away with one conclusion, that is she will take the veep spot bc she herself says she doesn’t like showy part of the presidency, she likes the work end, anything to further the democrat agenda.

    I read that too, but something doesn’t fit right with that article. It sounds like more propoganda.

  416. carby……. I would vote for Colin Powell myself in a heart beat and i am not AA

    ( I always say i’m hienz 57 but i don’t think theres any AA in there, but who knows LOL)

  417. dija,
    What burns me more than anything is the elite arrogant rich a$$wipes spouting this vote-for-BO-so-you-can-prove-how racially-enlightened-and-progressive-you-are sh!t wouldn’t last a DAY working among the populations they’re gushing over.

    Besides, Obammerrhoid isn’t even really BLACK (Amercian urban-raised) black and just affords a convenient way to display one’s loftier humanity-embracing aspirations without having ever had to LIVE it!

    I worked for 20 years with black and Hispanic kids and it was the most grueling, exhausting, draining, demanding job you can imagine. It did have some rewards; mostly seeing the kids progress, grow, learn, but it’s not something too many people can tolerate. Why do you think the teacher burn-out rate is so high?now.

  418. Rove: Waffles telling Florida and Ohio .. drop dead!!! 😆

    Bambi’s internals must be looking terrible for them to trot out ole dull Gore.

  419. from the NY Observer: found on The Confluence:

    A former bundler to Hillary Clinton just called in to tell me that Barack Obama’s selection of Patti Solis Doyle as chief of staff to the campaign’s eventual vice presidential nominee is the “biggest fuck you I have ever seen in politics.”

    The donor, speaking on background, said that everyone in Clinton circles knows the two have hard feelings towards one another and haven’t spoken since Clinton removed Solis Doyle as campaign manager, and that Clinton loyalists view her with deep suspicion and believe that she is shopping around a book deal and acted as a background source for an extremely harsh Vanity Fair piece about Bill Clinton.

    “Either one of two things happen,” said the bundler. “Hillary is selected as vice president and they fire Patti, or Hillary is not going to be the vice president.”

    The bundler said that Clinton loyalists were livid over the pick.

    “You don’t hire Patti Solis Doyle for her operational expertise,” said the bundler. “You don’t do that. This is someone who failed dramatically at her job. You only bring her on to fuck someone else.”

  420. Somebody please tell me that White people don’t beleive this patronizing crap!

    Vote for Obama because HE IS BLACK!!!!

    Not because he is the best candidate but because he is black…somebody please copy this video before it gets scrub and email this to all the news shows. Like Hannity, Rush, Howard Stern, Lou Dobbs I would do it but my computer is running on one leg…I need to take it to the shop.

    The thinking behind this is just AMAZING in it’s insults.

    Bob Johnson would love a copy of this. What a bunch a racist creep you know that kind that says…”I have black friends too.”

  421. wbboei Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    Carey-stupid as usual. Remember his stupid statement dispargaing our troops in Iraq. He has the political instincts of a corpse.

    LOL! He looks like one.

  422. fuck Patti Solis Doyle too. It’s obvious she fucked over Hillary and was on the hit squad of Obama’s from the get go. She was definitely a mole and when they find what happened to that 25 million her ass will be sitting in a jail somewhere.

  423. and honest to God some people are still stupid enough to believe that Waffles got 5, 10 and 15 dollar donations. My silly brother has his head so far in the koolaid jug that he’s gonna drown any minute.

  424. I wonder…. did they have Hillary in front of the typical Obama ad with Change We Can Believe – We Need Your Help (Yet they dont want W.V., Ohio, Florida, P.R.)??? Because they have it CLEAR with Gore in front of it… apparently Obama still wants to distance himself from Hillary. He still hasnt attempted to reach out to Hillary’s base.

  425. carby,

    It is the STUPIDEST, most condescending, most racist arrogant comment I’ve heard and I predict it will have the opposite effect and distance voters instead of convincing them.

    The presidency SHOULDN’t be subjected to QUOTA systems and affirmative action statues. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

  426. ok carby. I’m game: “White people don’t beleive this patronizing crap!” Also, white people have no respect for john carey. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

  427. interesting read…

    hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/something-people-arent-talking-about.html

  428. Pass the Barf bag!
    “It would be such an affirmation of who we say we are as a people if we can elect an African American,” Horseface says.
    “As a black man Obammerrhoid has suffered oppression and repression through the years.”

    I couldn’t watch anymore.

  429. Basil says:

    dija,
    What burns me more than anything is the elite arrogant rich a$$wipes spouting this vote-for-BO-so-you-can-prove-how racially-enlightened-and-progressive-you-are sh!t wouldn’t last a DAY working among the populations they’re gushing over.

    *********

    If this was effective then Hillary would not have swamped his ass in the primary popular vote and he wouldn’t of needed to rigg the caucus states and have dead people vote for him LOL 😀

  430. Please, Please, Please…like James Brown and copy this video for me before it get scrub….I need to video to past around and I don’t know how to do it, well I do but I don’t have access to the tools to let me.

    PLEASE COPY THIS VIDEO TO YOUR HARD DRIVE AND THEN POST IT HERE.

  431. McCain needs to pick a powerhouse for his V.P. The only powerhouse Obama can pick is Hillary and he would rather shoot himself in the foot first.

    Patti Solis Doyle being picked for this position before he even picks his V.P. is a joke.

  432. From NQ

    “IMPORTANT POST AT ANGLACHEL on the Obama coup/takeover of the DNC. She contends that this was not something that just happened in the two weeks since the end of the primaries (has it only been two weeks?). This takeover was planned weeks and months ago with DNC leadership involvement (Dean, Pelosi, Brazille). She lays out an excellent case for this. It looks like this very definitely was initiated at least by Super Tuesday and possibly has been in the works much longer. If you have had the feeling that the FIX for Obama was in, that no one at the DNC was listening—guess what, you were right because a plan was already in process for integrating the DNC with the Obama campaign and moving all operations to Chicago.

  433. What are the core values of the democratic party? I don’t know, this new party. What do they stand for?

  434. Can you PLEEEZZZZEEEEE embed this video for us of Horseface saying people should vote BO coz he’s black?!!!!!!!

    You have got to be kidding

  435. Any democrat that votes for OBAMA is a tool and after listening to John Kerry and seeing how he is getting played by Obama and buying into this Black are special ed people is just insulting and revolting.

    But let me warn you…the nation of Islam and other radical groups are insulted by affirmative action and other welfare states…they practice that they are superior to the “blue eye” devil and the only way to win is through deception and obtuseness.

    And yet John Kerry/Nancy Pelosi and other liberals acting on this white guilt and the most racist condescending bullshit I’ve every seen and heard in my life.

    I’m so Pissed and for all those WEAK ASS Women GROUP supporting this crap, you ought to be kicked of this capitulation for once again leading toward nothing. Bunch of Playmates for the Democratic Party.

  436. Kidding about what? embedding the clip of horseface saying vote for obannerrhooid coz he’s black?

    Anyway, caryby, I saved it to my hard drive and wuould be happy to send it to you.

    contact me at hilaryhawke at mhcable dot com.here’s a link to my pc and maybe you can pick it up that way.

    fi

  437. carbynew,

    i’m absolutely with you on this one. I’ll vote for Powell. If the choice is between Powell and Clinton, I’ll have a difficult time in deciding. I’m always amazed at the incredulous real racism spouted by ultra liberals. I mean, I don’t always agree with Powell and Rice, and always believe they’re extremely intelligent & articulate by any objective standard. But when you go to the dailykooks site, you would see the insult thrown towards them is beyond words.

    The only authentic ‘black’, ‘brown’, ‘women’ acceptable to those progressive male ‘whiteys’ are sharpton, pelosi type…

  438. Lessons of the Tim Russert coverage

    Here’s one thing you can say about journalists: Surely no one loves us as much as we love ourselves.

    That’s one lesson of the Tim Russert coverage.

    A friend told me Sunday: “I now know more about Tim Russert than I do many members of my family.”

    After Russert’s shocking death Friday at age 58, television kept serving up witnesses to his expertise, intelligence, diligence, kindness, faith, love of family, Buffalo and the Buffalo Bills. The self-indulgence was breathtaking.

    On Monday’s “Today,” Matt Lauer interviewed Russert’s son, Luke. The show basically gave over the first half-hour to the Russert story. Presidential candidates aren’t questioned at such length on morning programs.

    And the children of America’s fallen heroes don’t receive such a platform, either.

    Here are a few points to consider:

    Does the coverage move the story along? “ABC World News” examined heart disease, which killed Russert. Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren took up the same issue. But so much of the coverage was of the “I remember Tim” variety. Sad to say, a lot of it was repetitive.

    Is there a sense of proportion? Peter Jennings didn’t receive such heavy coverage when he died — ABC doesn’t own a cable channel. And he was in our homes, night after night, for 20 years. MSNBC kept Russert front and center through the weekend. How will NBC cover the passing of Tom Brokaw? Hasn’t he been the most influential figure at NBC for the past two decades?

    Do the hours of coverage inflate the story? Tim Russert was excellent at his job, make no mistake. He worked hard, he treated his guests fairly, and he asked tough questions. But by weekend’s end, some commentators had elevated him to preeminent journalist of his time. And one reader wrote: “His was the most noteworthy and untimely ‘public’ death in the past 20 years.”

    Really? Beware hyperbole.

    Is the coverage professional? A lot of the comments about Russert should have been saved for the office. NBC should have approached covering Russert as the network would have any other public figure who had died. Hard to do, yes, but that should have been the goal. Instead, Russert’s colleagues used the airwaves to work through their grief. Some people will excuse that style out of sympathy, but that approach just wasn’t right.

    Does the coverage of one story obscure everything else in the world? Russert dominated the MSNBC news menu over the weekend. The reader I quoted earlier defended that approach: “No one I talked [to] mentioned floods in the midwest or Iraq. They talked about Tim Russert. You need a reality check.”

    Maybe, but not on this point. The news needs to be a mix of stories. People needed to be reminded about the Iowa floods — people are suffering on a grand scale there. But, of course, those people live far from the Washington Beltway, and so they won’t gain the vast air time accorded to journalists and politicians.

    Will journalists ask the tough questions of themselves that they ask of others? Not during grief, evidently. Brokaw hinted that Russert had his critics. Could we have heard from them? Well, no. The coverage seemed designed to put Russert on the fast track to sainthood.

    The affection that Russert stirred in millions was testament to his skill. But the coverage of his death was often overblown, self-congratulatory and self-indulgent. It was no way to treat a news icon

  439. The Canonization of Saint Russert

    I have nothing against Tim Russert. He hosted two decent programs, Meet the Press and the less-watched Tim Russert, and ably helmed NBC News’ Washington bureau. According to his colleagues and competitors, he was a contentious journalist and a fine leader. He was said by all to be a good husband, father, and son.

    So Russert’s death at 58 is a sad occasion. Yet is it of such importance and momentum that his network, the other networks, and newspapers should continue to salute, remember, and otherwise memorialize him?

    Russert’s own networks, NBC and MSNBC, have bathed him in appreciation. On Friday, MSNBC broke in with coverage announcing the death and started collecting reactions. NBC Nightly News mourned his passing. Dateline NBC was given over to Russert’s memory, as was MSNBC’s Hardball. The fallen newsman’s Saturday show, Tim Russert, memorialized him, as did the Saturday edition of Today, which fielded the reminiscences of Bob Schieffer, George Stephanopoulos, and Tom Brokaw, who appeared at almost every juncture to talk about his friend. Sunday’s Today reprised the coverage. The Chris Matthews Show devoted itself to Russert’s memory, and the contestants—I mean, guests—on a special edition of Meet the Press competed to see who could loft the highest praise for the show’s departed host. (See this Meet the Press reel for a few examples.)

    As if all the NBC News airtime isn’t enough, MSNBC plans to broadcast a private memorial service for Russert from the Kennedy Center on June 18 at 4 p.m.

    What has possessed NBC News to televise a never-ending video wake? Almost nothing aired contained much in the way of news. After reporting his passing and a postmortem by his physician, nearly every minute of NBC and MSNBC coverage tried to convey the loss felt by his peers—David S. Broder, Andrea Mitchell, Al Hunt, Mike Barnicle, Al Roker, Brian Williams, Dennis Murphy, Barbara Walters, Bob Woodward, Gwen Ifill, Sally Quinn (“I feel almost like we did when somebody—when Jack Kennedy or even Katharine Graham died”), Chuck Todd, Wolf Blitzer, Kelly O’Donnell, Maria Shriver, and others. They loved him. They admired him. He was their mentor. He raised the bar for all journalists. He was thoughtful. He was kind. Of the highest integrity. Generous. Loyal. And so on. Just because it’s true doesn’t make it news.

    At least NBC News had an excuse for its news blindness. Russert was one of theirs, and because he was so important to NBC News, everybody probably thought he was just as important to the network’s viewers.

    The other networks didn’t have that defense. CNN put Russert’s demise into heavy rotation. On the evening of Russert’s death, Larry King Live rounded up Barbara Walters, Ted Koppel, Bob Schieffer, Wolf Blitzer, Paul Begala, Campbell Brown, and John Harwood, among others, for another round of veneration. King returned on Sunday with a “Best of Tim Russert” compilation. One place that the attention seemed warranted was on CNN’s press-crit show, Reliable Sources, which did a segment. Said host Howard Kurtz, “Journalists who pass away are sometimes overpraised, given that it’s journalists who do the praising, but not in this case.”

    The print gang’s accolades saturated acres in the Washington Post, where Tom Shales and David S. Broder sang his glories. In the New York Times, David Carr gently lamented Russert’s passing, and op-ed columnist William Kristol gave his buddy a loving send-off.

    In my research, I encountered only a couple of reporters who proved resistant to the woe-inducing fumes emitted by the funeral bouquets. My friend Mark Leibovich of the New York Times didn’t make a playpen of Russert’s bones in his Week in Review piece, nor did he flinch from writing it straight. A couple of samples:

    In a sense, Mr. Russert seemed to have an intuitive grasp of all the petty concerns, Big Doings and peculiar rhythms of [Washington]. …

    [Washington is] a town of revolving doors, for which Mr. Russert was something of an exemplar, for better or worse. …

    Mr. Russert liked to seem sheepishly above-it-all, but was also as acutely status-conscious, befitting the local water. He was always mindful of not appearing too often on MSNBC, NBC’s cable cousin, for fear of diluting his big-league brand. …

    Writing in his blog today, New York Times reporter Adam Nagourney recalled the early 1980s, when Russert worked as a bare-knuckled counselor to New York Gov. Mario M. Cuomo and Nagourney covered the Cuomo administration for the Daily News. Nagourney reveals nothing ugly, nor does he shine Russert’s halo as he sketches a portrait of the young highhanded political operative.

    And in the Saturday Los Angeles Times, columnist Tim Rutten knocked the press for its saccharine assessment of Russert, writing:

    Watching the cable news networks in the hours after his death, one was struck by the outpouring of admiration and affection from across the political spectrum and from journalistic colleagues of every sort. It was impossible not to be struck—once again—by just how incestuous and claustrophobic the Washington-based nexus of politics and journalism has become.

    I wonder whether the media grievers gave a moment of thought to how this Russert torrent they produced played with viewers and readers. Did the grievers really think Russert was so important, so vital to the nation’s course, and such an elevated human being that he deserved hour upon hour of tribute? I wonder whether any the responsible journalists paused to think, Hey, this is really weird. We’re using our unchecked editorial power to soak the nation with our tears about our friend, and that’s unseemly!

    On days like this, I, too, hate the press.

  440. The present Democratic Party and their issues and values…who recognizes them anymore? Who can believe the direction the “elite” of the party are taking it? John Kerry…Mercy!

    And on another note, we’ve had Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, and Monday night of Russert coverage! Even Bill O and Hannity are going at it again on their shows tonight.

    Is it the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing??? They all hate the Clinton that’s for sure.

  441. Just received email from Al Gore requesting funds for the Dems – ha! What a joke! So, I unsubscribed – said,
    “I cannot support Obama. He is not qualified for the presidency. Furthermore, now that Mr. Gore has endorsed him, I have lost respect for Mr. Gore’s judgment. In fact, though I have been a Democrat for years, the behavior of the party in this primary has totally destroyed my allegiance.”
    Not that anybody cares, of course.

  442. from talkleft.com

    Denver Host Committee Falls $11.6 Million Short of Fundraising Obligation
    By Jeralyn, Section Democratic National Convention 2008

    The Denver Host Committee, under a contractual deadline to raise $40.6 million by today for the Democratic National Convention in August, has confirmed it fell $11.6 million short of that amount. So, what now?

    Barack Obama has raised $265 million for his campaign so far. Will he now assist the Host Committee in obtaining contributions for the convention?

    The Obama campaign has broken all political fundraising records largely by mining the Internet for small contributions, collecting some $265 million. A fundraising pitch to those donors could vastly boost the convention’s fundraising, several observers said.
    While the Host Committee is confident the money will be raised one way or another, Committee Co-Chair Steve Farber addressed that possibility today:

    “There are discussions occurring. We could definitely use the help of the Obama campaign,” said Steve Farber, a Denver lawyer and leading member of the host committee. “The fact that we have a candidate now does help.”
    Today in Michigan, Al Gore endorsed Sen. Obama. He even sent out an e-mail to readers of his own website asking them to contribute to Obama. [More…]

    Maybe he should have asked his supporters to contribute to the Convention, particularly since the Host Committee seems reluctant to ask the Obama campaign:

    [Host Committee spokesman Chris] Lopez, the host committee’s spokesman, insisted the campaign would not be held responsible for making up any fundraising shortfall. “Obama’s great for the party, and there’s a lot of love for him out there. But we can’t depend on that,” Lopez said. “We’re under contract to raise the money and we expect we’ll hit our target. It’s not on the senator or his campaign, it’s on us.” An Obama campaign spokesman, Bill Burton, referred all questions about the convention efforts to the host committee.
    In recent elections, with the nominee chosen in advance of the convention, the convention chiefly has served as a vehicle to rally the delegates and introduce the nominee to the folks watching at home. The more excitement generated by the convention, the more enthusiastic voters will be in November, not just about voting for President, but for down-ticket Democrats as well.

    There’s no question Sen. Obama will be the star and the chief beneficiary of the convention publicity. I think it would be of great help to him, and to the down-ticket candidates, if his campaign would turn some of its fundraising prowess to helping ensure the convention is the best it can be.

  443. lil ole grape,

    it’s quite bizarre that al gore would ask for money via his email list. I mean, you’d think most of the folks on al gore’s list are political activits,and they must have been on bambi/clinton’s list for ages.

    bambi has a massive email list, he’s been sending out those fundraising junk mail just like any other candidates forever. is obama fatigue setting in?

    it will be interesting to see his #. His team still has not released May fundraising # which is quite unusual.

  444. filbertsf Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Found this on NoQuarter re: linfar the turncoat

    h t t p : / / noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/07/the-great-and-growing-divide/

    Then a very good writer, and ardent Hillary supporter named linfar announced that she would be following Hillary’s request and supporting Obama. This set off a firestorm.

    Elsylee28 pointed out the obvious. How could linfar simply up and support Obama when she had written so intensely about why he was unqualified to be President? Even dangerous.

    Linfar responded:

    You know, a lot of people on this board have to decide what they are going to do with their vote. I guess you among them. Hillary Clinton has said what she is going to do with hers. I stand with her all the way. Period. Go argue with someone else, ok? I am not going to engage in this discussion. I have been called every name in the book by Obama supporters. Now I have to get shit from Hillary supporters for doing as she has asked me to do? You are out of line. And frankly, I don’t even know who you are??

    Linfar sounds like Taylor Marsh [….]

    Yes… Linfar might write something like that, if she were feeling angry and had been reading TM a lot. But I”d rather give Linfar the benefit of the doubt for a while longer, tilll I’ve seen real evidence.

  445. DO NOT GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!

    JOHN KERRY”S VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS BLACK IS RACIST AND IGNORANT OF WHAT IS NEEDED.

    Am I suppose to jump off a cliff beause Obama is Black, Should my family welfare be depended on Obama because he IS Black. Am I suppose to send my children off to war because OBAMB IS BLACK!!!

    This country CAN’T take Sen. John Kerry’s public service any more…the cost is too much. We NEED LEADERS WHO STILL HAVE COURAGE AND MORAL CONVICTION TO THE PRINCIPLES OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

  446. BTW Please do not continue to bring info about Linfar she made her choice…so Lets move on.

    It’s getting ridiculous and the focus was NEVER about Linfar. I really don’t care….like I said from the begining…Country BEFORE Party.

    Also don’t want to hear about Taylor Marsh either.

  447. carbynew Says:
    My brother is an Obambi supporter and I’ve been giving him the 411 on how Obambi is going to lose in the G.E. even he agree that without Hillary Clinton on the ticket Obama will lose.

    Please tell your brother to tell the BO campaign that some of us HIllary supporters will MORE STRONGLY OPPOSE Obama if he puts Hillary on the ticket! She should not be in second place, and she should not be tied up and taken away from her own career.

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/

  448. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 16th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    carbynew Says:
    My brother is an Obambi supporter and I’ve been giving him the 411 on how Obambi is going to lose in the G.E. even he agree that without Hillary Clinton on the ticket Obama will lose.

    Please tell your brother to tell the BO campaign that some of us HIllary supporters will MORE STRONGLY OPPOSE Obama if he puts Hillary on the ticket! She should not be in second place, and she should not be tied up and taken away from her own career.

    h t t p : / / pumaparty.com/nohillaryvp/lets-ask-hillary-not-to-accept-vp/
    *****************************************************
    Don’t worry he knows my feeling on that…it’s Hillary or McCain for President…NObama

  449. I just came into the discussion, but with LinFar, are you sure, has anybody asked LinFar? The reason I ask, is that I belong to several groups and each is finding that Obamanationals are taking our screen names and blogging in direct opposition of our viewpoints, most of the time though with foul language. We figured that just meant they had been trained well by the Marxist Socialist Black Liberation Theologist
    person’s 3 Reich.
    I don’t know LinFar and have not noted his/her writings, but the jijacking of our emails is happending increasingly the last few weeks, I mean in large numbers.

  450. lay off Linfar or whoever made a different choice…

    I don’t care, it’s a free country, there’s no 100% consensus. I did the math, ff only 1/2 of Hillary supporters defect, its going to be a landslide loss for bambi and dnc, if 1/3, it’s going to be a solid win for mccain, 1/4 will be close. Not everybody will defect, we only enough to push mccain over 51%.

    Cheers.

  451. kostner,

    Could you lay out those figures to show what percent of defectors we need if they vote for McCain, vs if they just stay home or writein etc.

  452. BTW Please do not continue to bring info about Linfar she made her choice…so Lets move on.

    It’s getting ridiculous and the focus was NEVER about Linfar. I really don’t care….like I said from the begining…Country BEFORE Party.

    Also don’t want to hear about Taylor Marsh either.

    I’ll second Carby’s words here. I’m not into being a “thought nazi”. What others choose to do is irrelevent to me. To each their own.

  453. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE,
    DID YOU ALL GET AN E-MAIL FROM HILLARY TODAY WITH THE
    CAMPAIGN PICTURE ALBUM? READ BETWEEN THE LINES EVERYONE.

    I DO NO THINK HILLARY IS GOING TO TAKE VP POSITION AT ALL.
    WE NEED TO KEEP E-MAILING SD’S AND SUPPORTERS, THIS PATTY
    MOVE TODAY HAS PISSED ALOT OF HILLARY’S BIG SUPPORTORS
    OFF. DO YOU SEE HOW MR O IS PISSING AND GETTING TEMPERS
    FLARED UP? THAT IS HIS MO! WE ARE WINNING THIS BATTLE
    KEEP FIGHTING,

  454. Does anyone besides me think the DNC funneled money to Obama?? I think that’s why they are broke! The party put all that money up, just to beat Hillary, imagine that!

  455. I AGREE CONFLOYD,
    BUT GUESS WHAT THEY LOST DIDNT THEY?

    THE MOST IMPORTANT PART THEY LOST WAS US! YES….

    THEY DID NOT FIGURE ON THAT! BUT DONT FORGET MR O HAS
    ALOT OF SCUMBAGS WORKING FOR HIM WITH LOTS OF CORRUPT MONEY
    I MIGHT ADD. JUST WAIT THE BIG SHOE IS COMMING!!!

  456. kostner Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    lil ole grape,

    it’s quite bizarre that al gore would ask for money via his email list. I mean, you’d think most of the folks on al gore’s list are political activits,and they must have been on bambi/clinton’s list for ages.

    ————————————
    K, not sure what you’re saying.

  457. larry says sr dem leaders are getting poed at bambi…

    Obama’s Scorched Earth Policy
    By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson
    Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
    My conviction that Barack Obama is singularly unqualified to be President grows with each passing day. And today provided another sign that this man-child is a petulant prick. For the first time in memory, a candidate for the office of President has named the Chief of Staff for their eventual Vice Presidential candidate. Got that? Rather than trust the Vice Presidential nominee to choose their own guy or gal, the Obama’s went and got it done.

    And the lucky winner? The New York Observer reports:

    Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle has just been officially named “chief of staff to the Vice Presidential Nominee” by the Obama campaign.

    Now that is rich. Obama taps a person who is a demonstrated failure as a campaign director and gives her the task of riding herd on his eventual VP nominee. Gotta admire the chutzpah of the Obama. And how did top dollar Clinton folks react?
    New York Observer offered this catchy title, Clinton Bundler on Obama’s Doyle Pick: The Biggest ‘Fuck You’ Ever. Can you feel the warmth? Now there is hope we can believe in.

    This is one more “tell” of the kind of political player Barack is. Rather than reaching out and seeking Hillary’s help in healing the rift in the Democratic party, he has removed his socks and stuck his stinky feet in the festering wound. I have been told by well connected Democrats that some senior Democrats in the Senate are beside themselves at the petulance and immaturity of Barack.

    What could Barack do? Well, for example, he could have called prominent Democrats who are running for re-election and who backed Hillary. He could have thanked them for their loyalty, encouraged them to hang with Hillary till the convention, and offered help in raising money to beat their Republican rival in the Fall. That’s what a leader would have done. Barack, instead, has let his troops attack those who had the temerity to support Hillary. And instead of healing rifts, they prefer a scorched earth.

    As the August Convention nears, more Democrats will come to the shocking realization that Barack’s bare knuckles politics may work well in the corrupt confines of Chicago, but are a non-starter for healing a nation wounded by partisan battles. This is not the change folks are looking for.

  458. turndownobama-com,

    it’s just a rough calculation. Clinton got 50% of primary votes. Based on exit polls in PA/OH/IN/NC/WV/KY etc, an average of 50% of Clinton supporters will not vote for bambi, some will opt out, some will vote for mccain, which translates into a defection rate of an average of 25% among all dems. There’s no way bambi can win if this scenario realizes in the end. 1/3 defection rate means 15%, 1/4 = 10%….

    In general election, partisans usually vote for their party’s candidate by 9:1…

    Again, the defection rates based on exit polls vary a lot in different states… If my memory is correct WV/KY are around 60% among hillary dems, OH/PA around 50%…

  459. Obama’s Scorched Earth Policy

    My conviction that Barack Obama is singularly unqualified to be President grows with each passing day. And today provided another sign that this man-child is a petulant prick. For the first time in memory, a candidate for the office of President has named the Chief of Staff for their eventual Vice Presidential candidate. Got that? Rather than trust the Vice Presidential nominee to choose their own guy or gal, the Obamas went and got it done.

    And the lucky winner? The New York Observer reports:

    Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle has just been officially named “chief of staff to the Vice Presidential Nominee” by the Obama campaign.

    Now that is rich. Obama taps a person who is a demonstrated failure as a campaign director and gives her the task of riding herd on his eventual VP nominee. Gotta admire the chutzpah of the Obama. And how did top dollar Clinton folks react?
    New York Observer offered this catchy title, Clinton Bundler on Obama’s Doyle Pick: The Biggest ‘Fuck You’ Ever. Can you feel the warmth? Now there is hope we can believe in.

    This is one more “tell” of the kind of political player Barack is. Rather than reaching out and seeking Hillary’s help in healing the rift in the Democratic party, he has removed his socks and stuck his stinky feet in the festering wound. I have been told by well connected Democrats that some senior Democrats in the Senate are beside themselves at the petulance and immaturity of Barack.

    What could Barack do? Well, for example, he could have called prominent Democrats who are running for re-election and who backed Hillary. He could have thanked them for their loyalty, encouraged them to hang with Hillary till the convention, and offered help in raising money to beat their Republican rival in the Fall. That’s what a leader would have done. Barack, instead, has let his troops attack those who had the temerity to support Hillary. And instead of healing rifts, they prefer a scorched earth.

    As the August Convention nears, more Democrats will come to the shocking realization that Barack’s bare knuckles politics may work well in the corrupt confines of Chicago, but are a non-starter for healing a nation wounded by partisan battles. This is not the change folks are looking for.

  460. holy cow-sr dem senators alarmed by obama’s idiocy?

    Obama’s Scorched Earth Policy
    By Larry larry_johnson@earthlink.net
    Site: http://www.NoQuarterUSA.net

    My conviction that Barack Obama is singularly unqualified to be President grows with each passing day. And today provided another sign that this man-child is a petulant prick. For the first time in memory, a candidate for the office of President has named the Chief of Staff for their eventual Vice Presidential candidate. Got that? Rather than trust the Vice Presidential nominee to choose their own guy or gal, the Obama’s went and got it done.

    And the lucky winner? The New York Observer reports:

    Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle has just been officially named “chief of staff to the Vice Presidential Nominee” by the Obama campaign.

    Now that is rich. Obama taps a person who is a demonstrated failure as a campaign director and gives her the task of riding herd on his eventual VP nominee. Gotta admire the chutzpah of the Obama. And how did top dollar Clinton folks react?
    New York Observer offered this catchy title, Clinton Bundler on Obama’s Doyle Pick: The Biggest ‘Fuck You’ Ever. Can you feel the warmth? Now there is hope we can believe in.

    This is one more “tell” of the kind of political player Barack is. Rather than reaching out and seeking Hillary’s help in healing the rift in the Democratic party, he has removed his socks and stuck his stinky feet in the festering wound. I have been told by well connected Democrats that some senior Democrats in the Senate are beside themselves at the petulance and immaturity of Barack.

    What could Barack do? Well, for example, he could have called prominent Democrats who are running for re-election and who backed Hillary. He could have thanked them for their loyalty, encouraged them to hang with Hillary till the convention, and offered help in raising money to beat their Republican rival in the Fall. That’s what a leader would have done. Barack, instead, has let his troops attack those who had the temerity to support Hillary. And instead of healing rifts, they prefer a scorched earth.

    As the August Convention nears, more Democrats will come to the shocking realization that Barack’s bare knuckles politics may work well in the corrupt confines of Chicago, but are a non-starter for healing a nation wounded by partisan battles. This is not the change folks are looking for.

  461. You know as I keep reading this different blogs, articles, listening to Obama, I have to realize he believes he can say and do what he likes because he has been promised the Presidency. I think since mayor Daley’s hold is on both side of the political ladder, he feels whoever is telling him will be POTUS, he believes. As a matter of fact, I do too. I have ran down the Bilderburg group. I have seen the Mohammed Khalidi Youtube video (blue eyed murder) months ago.
    After ascessing all this data, I believe he is the pick of the rich and powerful and of coarse the NOI’s and NBPP. I think the DNC has been duped by these idiots into believing that a muslim in office will fix our problems with the middle east.

  462. Write-in votes may not be the best option.Please inform your readers about write-ins and, while write ins may make a person feel better that they are not voting for Obama, in essence they are. Here is why they are not a good option:
    1. a great number of states will NOT a candidate to file for a write in campaign that was a candidate in a primary- Hillary was a candidate in a primary – you vote would not count either for Hillary for against Obama
    2. In states that do allow write in votes, the candidate must file by a deadline, have varying numbers of signatures [104,000+ signatures in my state of FL], pay a fee from $500 to many thousands of dollars.
    3. a good many of the states that do allow for write in after the candidate has met all the requirements,
    the date to file by has either passed by or is immediately
    4. a very few states do allow write ins but with such a small number of states that a write in would be possible for, again your vote would count for nothing and against nothing
    5. a good number of states will bundle all the write-ins for the Democratic Party and place those votes, even
    though not votes for the Democratic candidate on the ballot and they will all go to Obama should he be the candidate; again your vote would not go for Hillary, but would go for Obama

    So, if one thinks about each of these obstacles, there would not be many states that a write in would
    count in. And there is a possibility that your write in vote would go for Obama, that this may not be the best option.

  463. I work in the industry, and the big companies always rack in big glossy awards because the organizations that generate the awards want big media business.
    You see 4th rate hacks waltzing off with golden trophies, while people with real talent get their honorable mentions.
    It’s no surprise that Russert is praised as the greatest journalist God in history.
    The media is corrupt through and through.

  464. ShortTermer Says:
    [ good info ]
    So, if one thinks about each of these obstacles, there would not be many states that a write in would
    count in. And there is a possibility that your write in vote would go for Obama, that this may not be the best option.

    And that’s just based on the info currently being given out from those state offices, or at their last website update.

    What will the rules be at each counting office by the time the bots infiltrate them in October?

    What will the counting clerks actually DO on Nov 5 — most of the clerks will BE bots.

    The ‘votes’ less likely to be tampered with are
    1. staying home
    2. voting GOP

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