Democratic Diaspora

Big Media and Big Blogs can’t sell the Big Boob.

In the same way that Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Governor Patrick could not sell the Big Boob to the voters of Massachusetts – in the same way that Tom Daschle and George McGovern could not sell the Big Boob to the voters of South Dakota – Big Media and the echo chamber Big Blogs can’t sell the Big Boob either.

All the advertisements in the world, all the money in the world, all the fawning press in the world won’t get the American People to buy the Big Boob.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote something only people like George Bush don’t respect. Many Democrats understand the danger of going against the popular will.

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland does not want to be dragged down in the eyes of the people of Ohio.

ABC News’ Teddy Davis and John Santucci Report: Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) was Shermanesque on Tuesday in saying that he would “absolutely not” be Sen. Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., running mate even if asked to join the Democratic ticket.

Asked on NPR’s “All Things Considered” if he is auditioning to be Obama’s running mate, Strickland said, “Absolutely not. If drafted I will not run, nominated I will not accept and if elected I will not serve.

So, I don’t know how more crystal clear I can be.”

Can Obama win Ohio, a state Hillary Clinton won in the primary and would win in the general election?

When asked to rank the degree of difficulty of Obama carrying Ohio, Strickland says: “I would say somewhere around 5 in a scale of 1 to 10. I think it’s, I just think it’s a challenge because of the nature of our state.”

Ohio Democrats, crucial in NOvember will not vote for Obama.

In Oklahoma, the lone Democrat in the congressional delegation – Dan Boren, is also running away from Obama:

Boren is the lone Democrat in Oklahoma’s congressional delegation. He calls Obama “the most liberal senator” in Congress.

And despite Obama’s pledge to work with Republicans, Boren says he sees nothing in the candidate’s record to support working in what he calls “a bipartisan fashion.”

Boren says he’s just watching out for the voters in his mostly rural district in eastern Oklahoma. In his words, “I have to listen to them.”

In the February primary, Hillary Rodham Clinton carried Boren’s district with 66 percent of the vote.

In crucial Florida, Democratic Rep. Tim Mahoney, is also running away from Obama and the Democratic? National Convention:

Although the national GOP efforts to negatively associate down-ticket Democrats with Barack Obama failed in the recent special elections, it appears to have paid off in one respect: We now have a red-district Democrat backing away from from Obama’s candidacy.

Freshman Rep. Tim Mahoney of Florida told the Palm Beach Post that he’s remaining officially uncommitted for now, and wants the opportunity to lobby John McCain on key local issues.

“I’m a Democrat,” Mahoney said. “But am I going to have a pep rally or something like that? No, I’m not going to do that.”

If Obama is going to win Florida, he’ll need to have local Dems being a lot more energized and active on his behalf than this guy. But his reluctance seems odd, given that Dems in much deeper-red Mississippi and Louisiana won special elections even after being “tarred” by their association with Obama.

What the correspondent for Talking Pimps Memo fails to mention in the article above is that the Democrats in those special elections distanced themselves from Obama and one even ran ads in his district to do so.

A Democratic big money donor too is running away from Obama:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is attracting elite Jewish Democratic donors who backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and are concerned about Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) stance toward Israel, say McCain backers who are organizing the effort to court Democrats.

McCain has already had several fundraising events with Jewish Democrats in Washington and Florida, say his supporters.

He also has the backing of Democrat-turned-Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.), who made history as the first Jewish vice presidential candidate and has recently raised questions about Obama’s foreign policy vision for the Middle East.

Stephen Muss, the Florida developer, is the biggest Democratic donor and fundraiser to pledge his support for McCain and the Republican National Committee, said a GOP official. Muss has given tens of thousands of dollars to help Democratic candidates in recent years, including $80,000 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2000, according to the Center for Responsive Politics and CQ MoneyLine.

Muss, has the added advantage for McCain in that Muss is from Florida:

“The playing field is wide open for John McCain as far as attracting Jewish support,” he said.

Cantor said Muss would help bring more Jewish Democratic donors in South Florida over to McCain.

“He’s an influential player,” said Cantor. “From my knowledge of his influence in South Florida, that’s significant.”

Brian Ballard, a prominent McCain fundraiser, said that several major Jewish Democratic donors have said they will join McCain’s camp.

“There are Bill Clinton folks who for the last three to six months we’ve been pushing to get involved,” said Ballard in an interview last week, referring to former President Bill Clinton. “In Florida there are a lot of people not happy with Obama’s stance with regards to Israel and regards to Cuba. We’re starting to see some significant people come over.

“Democrats who are traditional large Democratic givers are coming over to our side,” said Ballard.

Jewish support is especially important in Florida, a crucial swing state where Obama trails McCain in recent polls. Jewish voters make up about 5 percent of the electorate in that state. Florida’s Jewish community is also a lucrative source of political fundraising.

Jewish Democrats are concerned about Obama’s stance toward Israel, and many big donors from this group supported Clinton. McCain has moved aggressively in recent days to win their allegiance since Clinton dropped her White House bid.

“Her dropping out was huge in terms of potential for crossover voting and crossover support,” said Cantor.

Jewish Democrats are concerned about Obama for several reasons. While stumping in Iowa last year, Obama told Democratic activists, “Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people.”

Some Jewish voters interpreted the statement as a sign that Obama would be overly sympathetic to the Palestinian side in future peace negotiations with Israel. And some are concerned about a senior Obama adviser’s comments regarding the influence of American Jews on foreign policy. Merrill “Tony” McPeak, the former Air Force chief of staff, told the Portland Oregonian newspaper in 2003 that the political influence of the Jewish community had hampered efforts to negotiate peace in the Middle East.

Obama has also caused some alarm among Jewish Democrats by pledging to negotiate with leaders of nations that have taken hostile stances against Israel, such as Syria and Iran.

The growing sympathy of Jewish Democrats toward McCain is epitomized by Lieberman, a self-described independent Democrat from Connecticut.

Lieberman has launched a new bipartisan grassroots group, Citizens for McCain, to attract Democrats and independent voters to the presumptive GOP presidential nominee.

Lieberman could become a potent weapon for Republicans seeking to pick off Jewish Democrats. As the Democratic Party’s former vice presidential nominee and a former Democratic candidate for president, Lieberman is assumed to have an expansive list of Jewish Democratic donors from around the country.

A few days ago we suggested Hillary supporters are the majority of the Democratic Party grassroots and are strongest in the big Democratic states. We must act like the majority we are and and exercise our muscles. We suggested that John Kerry be primaried in Massachusetts. That is now happening.

With democrats holding their convention in Lowell, Massachusetts, attorney Ed O’Reilly’s bid to get on the primary ballot as a challenger to senator John Kerry was rated a long-shot at best.

To the surprise of many, O’Reilly handily met the 15 percent Requirement … In fact; he got 22 percent of the vote.

He wasted in no time in taking the fight to senator Kerry. Now Jim Braude has some questions for Ed O’Reilly. For example, would Senator Kerry’s time be better spent campaigning for Obama?

This is the way for Hillary Supporters to fight, no whining. As Kristen Breitweiser said as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too.

Mardee and Kerry are the first of many.

There is a growing Democratic Diaspora, not Democratic Unity.

It was billed as a post-primary unity event at Democratic National Committee headquarters yesterday. But the unity fell apart before the opening “thank you all for coming.”

As 18 elected Democrats filed into the party’s conference room for the show of force, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, evidently not realizing the microphone was picking up his words, took a swipe at Sen. Chuck Schumer, the loquacious leader of the Senate Democrats’ campaign effort.

“Wait until Schumer stops talking,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid suggested to Dean.

“That’ll be a long wait,” Dean replied. Then began the meeting.

The nastiness is typical. The fake, enforced “unity” is typical. The failure will be typical:

It seems that nothing can stop the Democrats from taking the White House and expanding their congressional majorities in November. But give them time. They’re Democrats, after all.

The famously fractious party is trying to apply wallpaper to the foundational cracks left by the Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton saga. But if yesterday’s unity kickoff is any indication, the party is less interested in rallying around its own nominee than in rallying against John McCain.

Obama will be impossible to sell. Obama is unelectable and not qualified to be president. The alternative is to do what Obama has promised on a stack of Bibles not to do: attack McCain. Whatever happened to “no red states, no blue states”?

In their opening remarks, Dean, Pelosi and Reid mentioned the Republican Party’s candidate by name 17 times, more than they did their own party’s likely nominee.

But perhaps this should not be surprising. Walk toward the entrance to the DNC headquarters from South Capitol Street and the first thing you see is a McCain campaign poster (closer inspection reveals that it says “Lobbyists for McCain”). Hanging over the entrance is a banner mentioning not Obama but his opponent: “John McCain = 3rd Bush Term.”

The negative strategy may have something to do with the need to win over the 18 million people who voted for Clinton. They may not have fallen for Obama’s charms during the primary — but perhaps they can be convinced that McCain is the greater evil.

That strategy left the leaders making, well, ballpark generalizations about Obama. “He is truly an all-star,” Reid submitted. “If we were talking about baseball, this man can run the bases, he hits for the long ball, he’s really good at picking out singles, he’s somebody that’s a team player.”

“We can be such an integral part of this team,” offered West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin.

“We’re all on the same team,” announced Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.).

Say this for Jim Clyburn, he is as nasty as ever.

The Democrats treaded gingerly around Clinton. Each time her name was praised, the group broke into applause, with the exception of Rep. Jim Clyburn (S.C.), who held a newspaper in one hand and thumbed his BlackBerry with the other.

“Her knowledge, her eloquence, her stamina, her commitment to the future made us all very proud,” Pelosi gushed. In her eagerness to praise Clinton, Pelosi lost track of what day it was. “Today, in case you didn’t know it, June 2nd, is the 45th anniversary of the signing of the Equal Pay Act,” she said. “We want all of those women who came out for Hillary Clinton — and for Barack Obama, but those especially for Hillary Clinton — to know that the work goes on.”

They should stop trying so hard. Hillary Clinton supporters will remember the Obama race-baiting, gay-bashing, women-hating campaign in NOvember.

But happy words alone may not be enough to win over the disaffected Clinton crowd: women and blue-collar white voters. Hence the need to raise the Bush-McCain specter. Pelosi argued that “women and blue-collar workers, whatever their race, have the most to gain by the election of Barack Obama as president of the United States and the most to lose by the election of John McCain.”

We’re not buying. We will not watch the Democratic? “Fear Factor”.

CNN’s Kathleen Koch pointed out the difficulty in wooing Clinton voters, who “may stay home and not vote, or they may vote for Senator McCain.”

“This is not just about Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,” Dean answered. “This is about undoing the incredible damage of eight years of Bush-McCain policies, Bush-McCain economic policies . . . Bush-McCain environmental policies . . . Bush-McCain foreign policies.”

Dean followed that run with a prediction: “I have every confidence we will be united by the fall election.” Against McCain, if not for Obama.

The second day of the Democratic? Convention will coincide with Women’s Equality Day. Let’s see how the Democratic? convention handles women on that day with demonstrations taking place.

Meanwhile McCain is getting ready to do some courting of his own. McCain has set up a webcast for Hillary supporters this Saturday.

The Democratic Diaspora has begun.

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  1. The main diaspora began
    in the 8th-6th centuries BC,
    and even before the sack of
    Jerusalem in AD 70, the
    number of Jews dispersed by
    the diaspora was greater
    than that living in Israel.
    Thereafter Jews were
    dispersed even more widely
    throughout the Roman world
    and beyond.

  2. Republicans will tear Obama apart. Notice how inconsequential the spoken word is in this ad. It’s all in the visuals.

  3. Count this Jew as switching to McCain. I attended the Hillary fund raiser in Boca and remember vividly President Clinton saying he would be concerned if Obama gets the nomination. I will pay another $2300 to meet and greet Mccain should he come to Boca.

  4. I am not a jew but understand your concerns and will help fund McCain. I live in Ca which looks like going for BO!

  5. so so true admin about diaspora…

    I think a lot of us feel so displaced at this point because the party we believed in turned out to be a sensory illusion. I do hope that we unite and form an alternative party to the 2 that have maintained control of our country for so long.

    (also, reposted from last thread)

    Hi Hill fans,

    This should give you great comfort knowing we are not alone. This is a movement that is just beginning.

    This is coalition of groups that think as we do.

    http://www.justsaynodeal.com/index.html

    Their press releases:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7S2-AQx-TM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTo-Mknce0
    http://www.enflyer.com/app/file_root/12392/EnFlyers/49667.html

    I expect in the next few days, weeks, we will be hearing more about their collective efforts.

    Have a great day.

  6. Thanks, Admin for the excellent post. Diaspora gets at the heart of it. We are displaced, dispossessed and disenfranchised. And we know where “home” is.

  7. The term diaspora is relevant in this situation. I think, we all feel a sense of displacement and disenfranchisement, which occurs during a diaspora. We are in a state of flux and evolution. The democratic party, is definitely a “new” party, and does not reflect the values that it once did. Truthfully, I don’t know, what the values of the new party are. Where do we go? The middle class has been disenfranchised.

  8. In the prevous thread confloyd Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 1:08 am
    turndownobama, I can sure understand what you are saying about proping up Obama, but what if he falls victim to the Rezko trial and has to drop out, will they still ask her to be the nominee???…. The superdelegates could change their minds.
    She will be you enough in 12, that is for sure

    She may be young enough in 2012 (Bill may not) but if Obama is a sitting POTUS she couldn’t go against him (whether she is VP or not).

    As to if Obama is in jail in August, who else could the convention pick to replace him. Gore wouldnt’ do it. I’m not sure whether it would matter whether she had accepted Obama’s invitation to be his VP.

    If the sitiuation in Denver is less clear, damage to Obama but not actually in jail — wouldn’t she be MORE elibigle to suddenly un-suspend her campaign and contest him, if she has not tied up as VP choice? Some people on the fence would be angry with her for switching. Most of the Obama people would probably rather have him replaced by Edwards.

    Seems the risks and benefits re being replacement are unclear. What I see as the clear danger is if she helps him WIN and is tied to him, losing her independent Senate career. Accepting VP is a committment to spend all her time propping him for four or eight years!

  9. In the prevous thread confloyd Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 1:08 am
    turndownobama, I can sure understand what you are saying about proping up Obama, but what if he falls victim to the Rezko trial and has to drop out, will they still ask her to be the nominee???…. The superdelegates could change their minds.
    She will be you enough in 12, that is for sure

    She may be young enough in 2012 (Bill may not) but if Obama is a sitting POTUS she couldn’t go against him (whether she is VP or not).

    As to if Obama is in jail in August, who else could the convention pick to replace him. Gore wouldnt’ do it. I’m not sure whether it would matter whether she had accepted Obama’s invitation to be his VP.

    If the sitiuation in Denver is less clear, damage to Obama but not actually in jail — wouldn’t she be MORE elibigle to suddenly un-suspend her campaign and contest him, if she has not tied up as VP choice? Some people on the fence would be angry with her for switching. Most of the Obama people would probably rather have him replaced by Edwards.

    Seems the risks and benefits re being replacement are unclear. What I see as the clear danger is if she helps him WIN and is tied to him, losing her independent Senate career. Accepting VP is a committment to spend all her time propping him for four or eight years!

    h t t p : / / http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillarynovp — for Hillary supporters who do not want her trapped ironing Obama’s shirt

  10. John McCain didn’t borrow money from a guy going to jail to build his house….Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) discussing Barack Obama on Sunday’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulous.”

  11. She should leave the Senate as the good old boy club, and newbies, like the witch like MaCaskil, will never allow her to accomplish anything. This was her time and they stole it right out from under her…..god forbid she ends up an old hack in the Senate like Kennedy, Dodd, Leashy, Kerry, et al who are a bunch of chavunists pigs.

  12. Awesome post, admin! 😀

    …the flack over Obama’s choice of VP vetter, and his deep connections to the home mortgage crisis and the Countrywide scandal, are getting huge press today. It’s ludicrous to watch Bambi making naive, soaring speeches about cleaning up government, but then in reality, he can’t even find anyone “clean” enough to work for him. Whatever.

  13. jb: If she does that, they win. She has some power. 18 million people voted for her. NY likes her.

  14. BO, instead of being a uniter, has created so much divisiveness and polarization, how are we going to ever unite?

  15. David Axelrod on MSNBC’s Countdown
    April 7, 2008

    Obama Senior Campaign Strategist David Axelrod Criticized Sen. Clinton For Employing Mark Penn, whose Firm Once Represented Countrywide.

    KEITH OLBERMANN: “Senator Clinton not stopping to hear a reporter’s question about Mark Penn, let alone answer it, leading Penn’s counterpart in the Obama campaign to fill in the vacuum about Penn’s non-departure departure this morning on MSNBC.”

    DAVID AXELROD: “She’s stuck with him through the revelation that his firm was working for Blackwater and working for Countrywide, and, you know, so, it’s kind of stunning. Remember that the embassy said they weren’t sure whether he was there as a representative of his firm or a representative of Senator Clinton. I mean, I think there are issues associated with this. I’m not – you can use the word hypocrisy, but there are certainly questions that arise from this.”

    (MSNBC’s “Countdown,” 4/7/08)

    AND NOW HE SAYS—“`well i am gonna vet the vetters““—i smell rats and hypocrisy ..
    James Johnson is on Obama’s vice presidential search team, but The Wall Street Journal reported Saturday he also received more than $7 million in loans, at least two loans of which were at below-market rates: a 5.25 percent loan for $1.3 million and a 3.875 percent loan for $971,000. The Journal reported that this special treatment came from a relationship with the company’s CEO, Angelo Mozilo.

  16. AND NOW HE SAYS—“`well i am NOT gonna vet the vetters““—i smell rats and hypocrisy ..

  17. BV, Is the Johnson controversy getting cable coverage? I know there was a page 1 story on it in WaPo.

  18. I understand birdgirl, but how can she ever work with these LOSERS again? They not only endorsed Obama, but tried to denounce everything she and President Clinton ever did(especially Kennedy/Kerry). Plus, she would have to wait yrs before becoming a “senior” member…again, having to wait behind morons (see Obama). Maybe she can become the female counter part of Gore and lead the world on womans rights, health care, education….I don’t know, it’s a very confusing time given that the democratic party is no longer our party.

  19. Video of McCain in Pennysylvania getting “bitter”.

    http://thepage.time.com/video-mccain-invokes-bitter-in-pennsylvania/

    News story:
    http://thepage.time.com/2008/06/11/mccain-brings-back-bitter-in-pennsylvania/

    In Philadelphia town hall meeting the Arizonan invokes his rival’s controversial comments suggesting small town Pennsylvanians and others are “bitter” and cling to their guns, religion.

    Says after proclaiming that he will win the Keystone State battleground in November:

    “We’re going to go to the small towns in Pennsylvania and I’m gonna to tell them I don’t agree with Senator Obama that they cling to their religion and the Constitution because they’re bitter.”

  20. BTW, I read on No Quarter that Coward Dean called the McCain campaign “sleazy” today. LOL. Wait till the McCain camp and the rest of the GOP actually gets warmed up.

  21. confloyd,

    Another thought about Hillary as a replacement for Obama in August. Even if Obama IS in jail, he could still text-message commands to his bots! Wouldn’t he tell them to support EDwards or Richardson or someone like that as his replacement? He wouldn’t want to strengthen Hillary.

  22. Berkeley Vox Says:
    …the flack over Obama’s choice of VP vetter, and his deep connections to the home mortgage crisis and the Countrywide scandal, are getting huge press today.
    ================================

    Yep! One good effect of Hillary laying low and playing possum!

  23. Also, the GOP excells at going after an opponent’s supposed strength (Swift boating Kerry on his military service), which is why the McCain campaign is pushing the Johnson story. Waffles’ squeaky-clean image is their target, and this line of attack will only intensify.

  24. Spike Lee: An Obamazoid With a Plan
    Spike Lee, a film director who I love and respect like a third cousin, has lost his damned mind. Here are the facts. Spike has a movie coming out and he knows that he isn’t going to get the same publicity as some other “mainstream” directors, so what does he do? Cause some confusion, which ensures he gets some media coverage, thus killing two birds with one stone: crying racism and getting some publicity.

    http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/2008/06/spike-lee-an-ob.html

  25. Jimmy Carter on Obama: No Substance or Experience—
    want to keep this “caught on tape” moment by former president Jimmy Carter, an avid Obama supporter, fresh in all of our minds. It is a vivid example of the political game that so many of the Democratic party “leaders” are playing with the American public. Out of his own two peanut and collard green eating lips, Carter says Obama doesn’t have the “substance or experience” to be president. These prophetic words were uttered back in 2006 during an appearance on the Charlie Rose show. What has happened in less than two years to “convince” the man many say was one of the worst presidents this country has seen that now Obama is ready? One can only wonder, but it hasn’t been some high-brow proving of substance or gaining of experience by Obama the Liar.

    and video of carter talking about obama,s lack of experience–

    http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/2008/06/jimmy-carter-on.html

  26. jbstonesfan,

    Hillary is not going anywhere but stay in senate. she has 18 millions people behind and she looks like a queen.

  27. Mccain would do well to get some of Clintons people asap and go after Obama as she was unable to.

  28. http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/couric_gets_honored_in_dc_86823.asp

    Yesterday, CBS’ Katie Couric was honored by the Sewall-Belmont House and Museum at their Alice Award Luncheon Gala. She was recognized for “her remarkable career in news media, her ground breaking role as the first female solo anchor of a weekday network evening broadcast and her tireless advocacy for colorectal cancer screening, which has helped save the lives of countless men and women each year” (according to a release).

    Some thoughts from Couric at the event:

    “However you feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I’ve ever seen.”

    Couric went on to say that latent sexism contributed, in part, to Hillary’s defeat.

    She referred to one “prominent member of the commentariat” who said he “found it hard to be objective when it came to Obama.”

    “That’s your job,” she remembers thinking when hearing this, before suggesting that he “find another line of work.” (Was it Chris Matthews? Or was it Lee Cowan?)

  29. Obama Pound, Who Cares? He slapped her on the ass!
    This has been bothering for quite a few days and I finally found a video with no scroll at the bottom. Please watch and see for yourself as the classy man slap his wifes ass on national TV.
    http://www.nowewont.org/

    So they say the Clintons have a list,

    If the Clintons have such a list, I’m sure some of these backstabbers are on it!!watch the video too–

  30. meiyingsu Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    Hillary is not going anywhere but stay in senate. she has 18 millions people behind and she looks like a queen.
    =====================

    Yep! I’m seeing one of those cable phone commercials with an enormous crowd following someone. Then there’s Hillary in front,
    wearing Latino clothes, and quoting Evita Peron:
    ” I will be back. And I will be millions.”

    Whatever Hillary does in the Senate next year, the other senators will be seeing those 18 million votes behind it — especially those whose states voted for her.

    That’s if she’s not POTUS this year, of course. 🙂

  31. For Immediate Release
    June 11, 2008 Contact: Press Office

    ICYMI: Barack Obama Says He Voted With President Bush “For The Most Part”

    “And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush.” – Barack Obama

    Barack Obama
    KMOV [St. Louis, MO] Interview
    June 10, 2008

    Reporter: “For a couple of days, they’ve been saying you voted to raise taxes something like 94 times. That seems to be the drumbeat that’s going to happen during this campaign. Are you going to raise taxes in a big way for average Americans?”

    Senator Obama: “I mean this is the standard fare of politics. And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush. You know, they were the majority for a big chunk of the time I was here.”

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=fcd566ba-5bcb-4b39-9a3d-b2a5d534fa44

  32. admin Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    well thats good ,

    But where were all these working -famous women who have voice and kept shut then ,

    well –its never too late -we still have 3 mos,before convention ,

  33. texan4hillary Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    YUPPP THATS GOOD ,,

    now obama will see what ,s gonna happen to him,

    where he is gonna hide –oh-bambi needs vacation again ,

  34. SONIA4HILLARY

    Carter took the same course in endorsements that Caroline Kennedy did. Caroline’s children told her to support obama. Carter’s children and grandchildren told he to do the same. Carter I can see as there is no love loss between him and the Clinton’s, but Caroline turning her back on them after everything they did when Jackie and John died is beyond me.

  35. rjk1957 Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    agreed

    but when will they sell this country b/c thier grandchildren told them so b/c obama said so ??WTF?

  36. By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
    13 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON – A leader of Democrat Barack Obama’s vice presidential research team has resigned amid criticism over his personal loan deals.

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    Obama announced in a statement Wednesday that Jim Johnson was stepping aside to avoid distracting from the vetting process.

    Johnson served on the vetting team with former first daughter Caroline Kennedy and former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder.

  37. admin Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Well, isn’t that the epitome of hypocrisy, on the part of Couric? She did a shameful interview of Hillary on 60 minutes.

    “Some thoughts from Couric at the event:

    “However you feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I’ve ever seen.”

    And, she added to it. Isn’t that the pot, calling the kettle black? Where was she, when Hillary could have used some media support? Nevermind, she was on the Hillary bashing bandwagon. Just add another reason, why I don’t like Couric.

  38. Caroline Kennedy, like her sick Uncle, is a back stabber. Unlike the fake Obama, the Clintons truly loved and admired her family,…Like Oprah, another woman turning her back on Hillary. In fact, Oprah really started this and made it OK for other prominent woman to go against Hillary….I hate the fat pig and hope she goes over 400lbs.

  39. Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    A Blog just for the Obamacrats

    I’m soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice that this one is just for you Obamacrats out there.

    If you think I’m actually going to let you leave comment’s on ANY of my blog’s, think again. Obama paid 400 people to blog for him. Go to thier blogs and comment. You also get free press from MSNBC, so if you think I am going to let you come on my blog and promote Obama and try to sway any minds…Think again….

    And if you think that Threatening us, calling us name’s or saying we are idiot’s will help your candidate. Think again. To those Obama supporter’s who actually go to these blog’s or on myspace, facebook…ect I want to thank you. because your the best advocate for why not to vote for him.
    This Blog is for Hillary Supporter’s ONLY!!!

    If you feel your not being heard go ask Obama to pay you to blog for him.

    And my Final note for tonight…. To Obama, His Supporter’s and the DNC…

    You guy’s wanted unity, correct? Well we have Democrats, independents, and republican’s all working in unity to make sure obama dose’nt win!!!
    I mean you said you wanted unity…..Careful what you ask for. You just got it!!!

    http://www.americaforhillary.blogspot.com/#Label1

  40. Posted at 6:56 PM on 6/10/2008 by Michael Goldfarb

    Obama’s Newest Advisor

    As Ben Smith reported yesterday, the Obama campaign recently brought Jason Furman on as a senior economic advisor. Smith notes that Furman wrote a lengthy defense of Wal-Mart in 2005, titled “Wal-Mart: A Progressive Success Story.” In it Furman denies that Wal-Mart is suppressing wages, or exploiting their employees. The fact “that more than 1.3 million Americans work at Wal-Mart demonstrates that its compensation is at least as good as the alternatives,” he says. And he adds that “the available data is consistent with the premise that Wal-Mart pays wages that are comparable to the retail sector.”

    His new boss takes a different view. In 2006, Obama told Fortune that “Wal-Mart is making enormous profits, and yet it has chosen to go with low wages and diminished benefits.” And in 2007, Obama told union members that he won’t even shop at Wal-Mart because of their exploitation of American workers. Has Obama moderated his views on Wal-Mart or will Furman and he just agree to disagree?

    Perhaps even more problematic for Obama, Furman, like John McCain, is also a vocal advocate for cutting the corporate tax rate. And yet just today Senator Obama attacked McCain’s proposal, saying it amounted to “$300 billion more in tax breaks and loopholes for big corporations and the wealthiest Americans.” This despite the fact that McCain’s approach not only has bipartisan support, but Senator Obama’s own economic policy director is part of the bipartisan consensus.

    So should we read anything in to this, or is this just another case of an advisor who’s views do not inform those of the candidate (think John Brennan on telecom immunity, Susan Rice on the 3 am call, Samantha Power on withdrawing forces from Iraq, Austan Goolsbee on NAFTA, or Colin Kahl, again, on withdrawing forces from Iraq–and that’s just off the top of my head)?

    We’ll find out–the left is already up in arms about the hire.
    http://www.johnmccain.com/mccainreport/Read.aspx?guid=fe4139e1-8a22-4bde-b1ab-2a1f280cc913

  41. I get angry when people speak out after-the-fact. Where were all the women while the media and Obama people were throwing darts at HRC?

    Couric won’t get my thanks or admiration…

  42. Tuesday, June 10, 2008
    Tom Brokaw Slams The Media For “Inappropriate”, “Commentary Disguised As Reporting”

    The Huffington Post has a great article about Tom Brokaws criticism of how the media trashed Hillary.

    Here is a snippet from the article
    “”It was inappropriate, for journalists especially, to try to cut the process short,” NBC News’ anchor emeritus, Tom Brokaw, told The Associated Press. “It was an appropriate issue for people to report on, in context, but there was an awful lot of commentary disguised as reporting that gave the impression that people were trying to shove her out of the race.”

    http://www.hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/06/tom-brokaw-slams-media-for.html

  43. birdgal, heh. These “news” people recognize problems in others, but can’t seem to see their own contribution to the cesspool.

  44. Admin. I will be back later today but did see your headline and commend you on your wonderful choice of words Democratic Diaspora which has great historical and religious significance– a scattering to the wind. We must however focus so we do not have to wait 2000 years to come home.

  45. Couric gets my thanks because I have no idea if there was any/or what pressure put on her from the network to go after Hillary in the past. Either way, praise for Hillary has been so rare from the media that I am thankful that she is at least coming out now and saying what she has.

    For me it’s a matter of going forward.

  46. Couric was pretty fair compared to most, albeit they started the Bosnia slip story,….I think deep down Brokaw is ashamed of Mathews and Olberman..also, did anyone else puke when fat ass Russert, a two bit phony claiming to be a “real guy” like his dad “Big Russ”, said Clinton had to fully embrace Obama in her speech on saturday..then, the arrogant potato head gave her a passing mark…I hope he rots in hell.

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  48. Eugene Robinson was another complete phony….it is a sad day in my household when I have to listen to Pat Buchanan to get a fair assessment of things…

  49. Where were Brokaw and Couric, when all this awful stuff was going on? It is always easier to do, Monday, quarterbacking. I’m sure Couric was getting pressure, but her interview with Hillary was not a very complimentary one. Miss Frigidaire, anyone?

  50. JanH, she really wasn’t praising Hillary. She prefaced with “whatever you may think of her politics…” What are her politics, Katie?

    Couric has her own bitterness with the media. The circle jerk BM has been ridiculing her. I think she was using HRC situation to highlight her own.

    I reserve my admiration for people who speak out when it matters and as they see it happening.

  51. Ultimately, even John Lewis turned his backs on the Clintons…..the only one’s who stayed loyal were Davis, Carville, and a hand full of others. Begalla was a bit quiet, no?

  52. So, now that Johnson has resigned, will waffles say, “He wasn’t the vetter that I thought he could be, but he wasn’t really working for me.”

  53. filbertsf,

    She addressed the media unfairness and that is what I was addressing. Yes there are those few who are just now coming out and defending Hillary after not being there before. That being said, they could have stayed silent. They could have continued to attack but they aren’t.

    The DNC is another story and can never be forgiven for their actions.jmo

  54. birdgal,

    Maybe in his “kids” program they’ll all sing: “The wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round…..”

  55. And these four were , imo, the most hateful of all:
    1)Maureen Dowd
    2)Huffinton
    3)Noonan
    4)Paglia

  56. jbstonesfan, I noticed you only list the women. Mind you, the women you listed deserve their places, but let’s not forget Matthews, Robinson, Ogreman, Russert… the list could stretch a mile.

    Where’s mj? Wonder why she still posts at TM even though the latter called her dense and other assorted names.

  57. jbstonesfan/janH, I am not a Jew, but a Christian, I will always stand on the side of Israel, I believe the Bible tells us to do that!!!

    Mr. Coward Dean, If this election is not about Obama or Clinton, then why not award the nomination to its rightful owner, Hillary Clinton!! Why not count all the votes too, Mr. Dean. You see, its all about your choice, not the 18mil that voted their choice!!!

  58. I listed the men way above…but it was infuriating to me that so many so called feminist leaders turned on Hillary…On a bright note , NARAL called my Mother for a donation last night and my 79 yt old mom told them to F-off!!!

  59. I guess somebody in the Waffles campaign decided that not vetting the vetters wasn’t a good idea after all.

    BTW, that new economic adviser sounds like a real winner, too. The fact that the left is up in arms over him has me LMAO. That’s what those dumb shits get for supporting Waffles.

  60. jbstonesfan, the NARAL national org or state chapter? Many state chapter bolted when the endorsement came. Check to see if FL NARAL bolted. If they did, praise them and send them a little money. They’ll need it.

  61. It was interesting b/c Mathews, a renowned Clinton hater was losing traction to Olberman, who initially, imo, was either nuetral or even slightly Clinton leaning…Than, after the Ferrero bs, he became a raging maniac against Hillary and joined forced with scum bag and the rest, as they say, is history.

  62. The Johnson resignation should embolden the McCain people. They successfully pushed that story. Waffles isn’t used to losing the PR war, as well know all too well.

  63. The people in the waffles campaign are a scary bunch, and their economic proposals are toxic to our country. If the proposals, ever get enacted, they will crush the middle class. The Global Poverty Act scares me. How can this country afford that much money, if we cannot take care of poverty in the U.S? He never did anything, to help his own ward in Chicago, and now, he wants to give the majority of the aid to Africa. Goes along with Black Liberation Theology. First allegiance is to Africa. I am losing my mind.

  64. Johnson, another lapse in Judgement and stupid mistake.

    HOW MANY OF THOSE DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE YOU RECOGNIZED THAT THE GROUP KNOWS HOW TO PHONEY UP SD SUPPORT, BUT MOST OF THEIR ASSOCIATES ARE BORDERLINE CROOKS.

    Can you imagine taken bonus money when you had to have know how they were fixing the books. That is down right fraud, and dishonest.

    OH THAT IS RIGHT, HE IS NOT THE PERSON I THOUGHT HIM TO BE.

    Well I wonder how the women and blue collar people in small town will take this one.
    American’s must have too much of that energy drink stuff on the brain.

  65. GaryinDCandLA Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    birdgal,

    Maybe in his “kids” program they’ll all sing: “The wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round…..”

    And, hopefully, they will come off soon.

  66. Oh definitely, jbs. Olbermann was actually quite fair and positive in the beginning. He had that “anyone but a Republican” mentality. I still have his interviews with Clintons and segment where he defended Hillary from GOP attacks.

    I really don’t know what happened. It’s like a switch went off and Mr. Hyde came for a visit and never left. I think Dr. Jekyl is buried somewhere in that MSNBC studio.

    I wonder if the Clintons stole his parking space because he just flipped.

    As for Chris Matthews… never liked him.

  67. birdgal, i remember Miss Couric asking if Hill’s name in High School was refrigerator??? Is that a question you would ask a President—-NO!!!!!

  68. The problem with Obama and his mates is that he thinks he walks on water and can’t believe that anyone would have the audacity to investigate the slightest thing he does.

    LOL…the Republicans are going to make mincemeat out of him.

  69. Here’s the McCain response to Johnson’s resignation:

    UPDATE: McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds emails:

    Jim Johnson’s resignation raises serious questions about Barack Obama’s judgment. Selecting the vice presidential nominee is the most important decision a presidential candidate can make and one even Barack Obama has said will ‘signal how I want to operate my presidency.’ By entrusting this process to a man who has now been forced to step down because of questionable loans, the American people have reason to question the judgment of a candidate who has shown he will only make the right call when under pressure from the news media. America can’t afford a president who flip-flops on key questions in the course of 24 hours. That’s not change we can believe in.

    Ouch

  70. “he will only make the right call when under pressure from the news media.” That says it all! And even then he has to be dragged into it. Case in point…Reverend Wright!

    I sure hope he isn’t going to give another emergency news conference.

  71. The problem with Obama and his mates is that he thinks he walks on water and can’t believe that anyone would have the audacity to investigate the slightest thing he does.

    Exactly. Now that the media doesn’t have Hillary to kick around anymore, it’s a totally different ballgame.

  72. confloyd, Katie asked HRC that to her face? Did HRC throw it back at her and asked if her nickname was The Joker?

  73. As long as McCain stays away from trying to match oratory skills with the teleprompter king, he will be alright…just talk like the common fol and the elitist snob in Bo and his supporters will come out…..Notice how quiet MO has been since rumors of “whitey” surfaced…what a disgrace she would be as a first lady…I hope Bill gives her a thrashing when they finally have to meet about her refusal to endorse Hillary if she were the nominee..how friggin ironic.

  74. Paula: The McCain team is good, with coming back with zingers. I laugh, everytime I read or hear one.

    Confloyd: That is why, that interview was not good. Those are not questions, one asks of a candidate for POTUS. It was very demeaning.

    Filbertsf: I noticed the change with Olberman on ST. Matthews and Olberman were both on, and seemed to be vying, for which one, would get BO on his show. That was when, I stopped watching MSNBC. It was disgusting.

  75. from hillforum —

    Call Bill Clinton: tell him not to Campaign for BO

    ——————————————————————————–

    We need to call Bill Clinton’s office and tell them don’t campaign for BO after what they did to Bill, invoking that Bill was racist (after all he has done for the AA community). He should be like MO and “think about it”!!

    I can’t blame Hillary though, she is a person of her word even if she is forced to give it people who care nothing for honor, like the DNC and BO.

    Good idea! 212-348-8882

  76. Anyone know what Hillary’s up since Saturday? Maybe she’s taking a mini vacation. Lord knows she deserves a little peace and quiet.

  77. filbertsf: it was to her face, during the interview on 60 minutes. Apparently, Couric heard, that some people called Hillary “Frigidaire” in high school.

    Here is something from NO Quarter:

    Did you see this at the McCain website

    For Immediate Release
    June 11, 2008 Contact: Press Office
    ICYMI: Barack Obama Says He Voted With President Bush “For The Most Part”

    “And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush.” – Barack Obama

    Barack Obama
    KMOV [St. Louis, MO] Interview
    June 10, 2008

    Reporter: “For a couple of days, they’ve been saying you voted to raise taxes something like 94 times. That seems to be the drumbeat that’s going to happen during this campaign. Are you going to raise taxes in a big way for average Americans?”

    Senator Obama: “I mean this is the standard fare of politics. And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I’ve been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush. You know, they were the majority for a big chunk of the time I was here.”

    Watch Barack Obama’s KMOV Interview

  78. filbertsf, She sure did ask Hillary that, but I was so shocked, I can’t remember what Hillary said! I think she just laughed. How could you ask anyone that on National TV??? especially a former First Lady!! I wonder if she would have asked that of Laura Bush??? I bet not, Hillary is smarter and has more on the ball than any first lady we have ever had, and yet more people desrespect her!! Well, us the commoners love her, she is our Princess Diana!!

  79. Notice how they are also trying to persuade us with headlines like ” Leading Clinton Woman supporters urge others to support Barrack”..see ABC …..the MSM still in the bag for Obama…

  80. Breaking… looks like Obama’s defense of James Johnson yesterday was nothing but hot air, after all:

    ————
    June 12, 2008
    Head of Obama’s Vice Presidential Search Resigns
    By JOHN M. BRODER

    CHICAGO — Senator Barack Obama, moving to quell a growing furor, accepted the resignation of the head of his vice presidential search team, James A. Johnson, on Wednesday after days of questions about Mr. Johnson’s tenure as head of Fannie Mae and other business associations.

    In a statement issued by his Chicago campaign headquarters, Mr. Obama said Wednesday afternoon that “Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept.”

    Mr. Johnson, who also directed Senator John Kerry’s vice presidential search when he was the Democratic nominee in 2004, had come under fierce scrutiny in recent days after disclosures that he had received mortgage loans on favorable terms from Countrywide Financial, the beleaguered mortgage lender. His large paychecks and bonuses while president of Fannie Mae, the quasi-public government mortgage agency, also drew heavy Republican criticism.

    Mr. Obama had defended Mr. Johnson as recently as Tuesday, saying that he had only a “tangential” role in his campaign and that he was not troubled by his business activities. He said he had not inquired about his mortgages and would not hire people to, as he put it, “vet the vetters.”

    But Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Republican Party officials kept up a steady drumbeat of criticism of Mr. Johnson. The case became a test of Mr. Obama’s professed independence from Washington insiders and supposed higher ethical standards. Mr. Obama has refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and had made criticism of the cozy financial and political relationships in the capital a hallmark of his campaign rhetoric.

    Mr. Obama said the remaining two members of the vice presidential vetting team, Eric Holder, a former deputy attorney general, and Caroline Kennedy, would continue the work that began last week.

    “We have a very good selection process under way, and I am confident that it will produce a number of highly qualified candidates for me to choose from in the weeks ahead,” Mr. Obama said in his statement. “I remain grateful to Jim for his service and his efforts in this process.”

    Mr. Obama was meeting with campaign aides in Chicago on Wednesday afternoon. . Campaign officials would provide no details of the discussions that led to Mr. Johnson’s departure.

  81. I’m sure Caroline will really be in Hillary’s corner after the disgraceful remarks by her poor Uncle Teddy…..don’t let them fool you, they have no intention of offering it to her and she probably doesn’t want it.

  82. Someone tell me again just what credentials Caroline Kennedy has to make her worthy of choosing a potential VP for the United States? Maybe it’s her children who should be sitting on the committee. 😉

  83. And now Katie has the gall to criticize the media coverage? Amazing the hypocrisy that runs through the veins of these people.

  84. I think he appointed Caroline Kennedy to his vetting team per Teddy!! He couldn’t do it and I be Caroline has to fill him in everyday. I feel sorry for Ted, but he needs to stay out of politics while he is getting his ca treatment!!

    Katie Couric is trying to make hay out of the situation with Hillary, no one else gives her interviews of any importance so she is trying to get some traction with the Hillary rollover! She needs to find something else to do, we remember how she treated Hillary!!

  85. Washington Post blasts Obama for appearing weak, by caving to Republican pressure so easily on the VP search team issue:

    ———
    blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/analysis_vetter_laid_low_by_ve.html?hpid=topnews

    Is Johnson News a Sign of Weakness in Obama Camp?

    Today’s news that Jim Johnson, one of three people charged with vetting potential vice presidential candidates for Barack Obama, is stepping down from his role illustrates the perils ahead for the presumptive Democratic nominee as he seeks to preserve his “above politics” image even while pursuing the most powerful job in the world.

    After several days of negative news stories detailing Johnson’s time as CEO of Fannie Mae and a tepid response by Obama yesterday, the campaign moved swiftly to excise the problem in a statement released moments ago.

    “Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept,” said Obama. “We have a very good selection process underway, and I am confident that it will produce a number of highly qualified candidates for me to choose from in the weeks ahead. I remain grateful to Jim for his service and his efforts in this process.”

    Such a clean break demonstrates the danger that being associated with figures like Johnson — long-time party operatives with a history of potentially controversial business ties — poses to Obama.

    At the core of Obama’s appeal to Democrats, independents and even disaffected Republicans is the promise of changing the status quo in Washington. One of Obama’s most effective lines on the stump says that until voters change the people they send to the nation’s capital, they can’t reasonably expect the government to change the way it operates.

    People are hungry for that sort of change — as evidenced not only by Obama’s stunning victory over Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries but also by the huge number of people (65 percent or more) who tell pollsters they believe the country is headed off in the wrong direction.

    The most dangerous stories for any candidate are those that raise questions about the core of his (or her) campaign narrative. One needs only to look back to the 2004 presidential race for evidence of this trend. John Kerry won the Democratic nomination for a variety of reasons, but the biggest of those was that his military record of service in Vietnam was seen as a shield against Republican attacks on patriotism, national security and foreign policy.

    Enter the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with their methods, effectively raised questions about the validity of Kerry’s service and, in doing so, sparked broader questions about whether the Massachusetts senator was who he said he was.

    For Obama, any questions in voters’ minds about whether he truly is a change agent or is legitimately committed to breaking the alleged stranglehold lobbyists and other power brokers have over the political system is potentially disastrous. Because of the peril involved, it’s not terribly surprising that Obama moved quickly to “fix the glitch” once he realized questions about Johnson weren’t going away.

    Seen another way, however, this episode could forebode poorly for how Obama handles the various slings and arrows sent his way by Republicans and their famed — and effective — noise machine.

    Compare how Obama handled the Johnson situation with the way in which John McCain weathered criticism of lobbyists serving in his high command. Both Rick Davis, McCain’s campaign manager, and Charlie Black, one of his lead strategists, were the subject of an intense series of stories exploring their various connections to the lobbying world and raises questions about whether or not they could reasonably hope to stay on given the new lobbying policy McCain rolled out last month.

    Rather than throw the two advisers overboard, McCain and his team kept their head down and tried to weather the storm, which they eventually did. Davis and Black remain in their posts and seem in no imminent danger of being ousted. (It is worth noting that three advisers to McCain — including a senior-level operative named Tom Loeffler — were forced to step aside under McCain’s new policy.)

    For some Democrats, Obama’s quick move to separate himself from Johnson will be seen as a caving to Republicans. There will almost certainly be more of these Republican attacks; by removing Johnson, Obama has only emboldened GOPers for the next time around, goes the argument.

  86. jbstonesfan, I think you are right, they have no intention of offering her the veep slot, I don’t think Hillary wants it, but she wants to make a statement on the platform for us, you know the commoners! She always thinks about us regular folks!!

  87. Neither Holder nor Caroline Kennedy has ever worked on a VP selection committee before, which isn’t exactly reassuring either.

  88. jbstonesfan: I hope there is some organized effort in your venue to dump Wexler. He is the alter ego to bo and he has a questionable past.

  89. You guys know they are going to select one of the good ole boys. They will not put a woman on now because they know we will not accept and artificial Hillary. Besides there are many good ole boys waiting in line for it!!

  90. “People are hungry for that sort of change — as evidenced not only by Obama’s stunning victory over Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries???”

    I think I’m going to be sick!!!

  91. Lobbyist endorsements
    Roll Call reports the following lobbyist endorsements for Barack Obama.[41]

    Kevin Chavous (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
    Tom Daschle (Alston & Bird)
    Stan Fendley (Corning)
    Elizabeth Fox (Jolly/Rissler)
    Francis Grab (Washington Council Ernst & Young)
    Tim Hannegan (Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates)
    Tom Jensen (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
    Broderick Johnson (Bryan Cave Strategies)
    Mark Keam (Verizon)
    Bob Maloney (Maloney Government Relations)
    Marcus Mason (The Madison Group)
    Andy Rosenberg (Ogilvy Government Relations)
    Bobby Sepucha (Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal)
    Tom Walls (McGuireWoods)
    Michael Williams (Credit Suisse)

  92. JanH Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    Someone tell me again just what credentials Caroline Kennedy has to make her worthy of choosing a potential VP for the United States? Maybe it’s her children who should be sitting on the committee.

    Jan, I believe, that Caroline is Ted’s proxy, and is his way of pulling the strings and controlling the campaign. What other reason could there be? She is a Kennedy. Maybe, that is all the credential that is needed. Teddy is pulling the strings.

  93. WaPo: “….Obama’s stunning victory over Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries…” GIVE ME A F’ing BREAK. Yeah, stunning is the word, as in hit over the head and mugged.

  94. I don’t think I’ll ever understand why anyone actually believes Waffles will change Washington. People have been promising that from time immemorial, and failed. He’s no different from anyone else.

  95. JanH Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    “People are hungry for that sort of change — as evidenced not only by Obama’s stunning victory over Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries???”

    I think I’m going to be sick!!!

    Jan, the only change BO, is going to bring to Washington, is Chicago politics on a national scale.

    As far, as his “stunning victory,” we all know, how that happened. He was selected.

  96. ** SONIA !!

    Could you help me with a project? You’re good at using the h44 archives. I want to make available material from our archives for volunteers at PUMA and bitterpoliticz and other new sites. They are just starting to try to compile lists of superdelegate contacts, local newspapers, etc etc.

    If you can find links to those lists and other resources that we used to publish here, send them to me or post them somewhere and I’ll make a section for those links at ironmyvote.com and refer those new people to it.

    (If admn gives permission, I could repost the material itself as well as the links.)

  97. I guess it is not lying to falsely describe the primary victories. None of them were stunning, and in the last 2 months there were very few.

    So lying like that is OK. How do you explain that to your kids. Oh that is right, they explain things to you, like to drink the Kool Aid Dad.

  98. In fact, Oregon, Washington, Illinois are the only states I see on the AOL straw vote that are going for him now that actually went for him in the Primaries.

    I love those stunning victories. It only means something in the Primary, if you carry them in the General.

  99. Interesting website to track a websites traffic.

    h t t p://www.alexa.com/

    Big Pink made a giant leap in the past month.

    Taylor Marsh’s traffic has decreased since June, no doubt since she became an Obamabot parroting the new talking point, “Hillary told me to.”

  100. From an ardent Hillary supporter:

    A Donation to Retire the Debt = A Slap in the Face to the D.N.C.
    (Second in a series. Note, all links take you to Senator Clinton’s website where you can donate to RETIRE THE DEBT.)

    Believe you me, nobody but nobody is more disgusted with the current D.N.C., particularly with the hapless Dr. Dean. As with all corrupt institutions, I am refraining from having ANYTHING to do with the D.N.C. They make me sick.

    Ok, that said, let me explain the following.

    A Donation to Retire the Debt = A Slap in the Face to the D.N.C.

    The D.N.C. is in real trouble right now. They can’t raise money. Senator Clinton’s most powerful fundraisers are not going to help them – at least not based on what I have heard them saying – even if Senator Clinton would like the D.N.C. to receive help (Senator Clinton is thinking of the downstream Democrats who rely on the party for assistance in their upcoming elections).

    My view is that if the D.N.C. wants one lick of help from any supporter of Senator Clinton the first thing it should do is boot Howard Dean and make it clear that the new chair is somebody who Senator Clinton wants in that position.

    In the meantime, we can help Senator Clinton AND tick off the D.N.C. at the same time (smile a slightly naughty smile here). If we very quickly raise a ton ‘o money to rid Senator Clinton of her debt, believe me, the D.N.C. will understand where the true power lies. After we raise that money, we hold on to every penny we have unless and until Senator Clinton becomes the nominee for President or clearly takes control of the D.N.C.

    Help Senator Clinton; Diss the D.N.C.

    heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/06/donation-to-retire-debt-slap-in-face-to.html

  101. 1950democrat Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    ** SONIA !!

    Could you help me with a project? You’re good at using the h44 archives. I want to make available material from our archives for volunteers at PUMA and bitterpoliticz and other new sites. They are just starting to try to compile lists of superdelegate contacts, local newspapers, etc etc

    “HI“

    HOW R U ??

    sure .
    anything .
    i have a lot of time at least 3-6 hrs between 8pm -2am .

    i can do it .

    just e-mail me everything in details and i will be more than happy to do it .

  102. Also:

    Possibly the most intense phone conversation I have ever had
    Many people have been waiting to hear what Senator Clinton and her campaign’s immediate plans are. I have just got off a call with Terry McCauliffe, Senate Clinton’s National Campaign Director and Jonathan Mantz, her National Finance Director. The other participants were top fundraisers in the midatlantic region.

    First some key information:

    Senator Clinton does indeed have enormous primary debt that she must retire and that is a key focus for her staff right now.
    Any money donated to Senator Clinton’s campaign at her website goes to that retire the debt, so long as those funds are coming from people not already maxed out to the primary.
    If you are maxed out to the primary, and you donate to the website, you will be asked, eventually, if that money can be reallocated to Senator Clinton’s campaign fund for reelection to the U.S. Senate in 2012. The campaign’s legal team says that money cannot go to retire the debt but it means that Senator Clinton and her supporters can focus on the debt and free her from worry about funds for that Senate race, which itself would cost at $20 million. (A note from me, NOT the campaign: should Senator Clinton end up running for President, either this election year or in 2012, she could ask donors if she could use funds from her Senate campaign war chest for that purpose.
    Now to the rest of the call’s substance: Rest assured, neither Terry nor Jonathan nor any of the people who spoke on the call (including me) are happy with the D.N.C.’s treatment of Senator Clinton. However as always on calls like this, Jonathan started by thanking us for our help and for being on the call today; he and Terry noted major goals achieved during the past eighteen months. And then they opened the call to questions.

    This is when things got as intense as I have heard on almost any phone call I have participated on in my life, professional or personal.

    Many commented that Senator Obama had not said a word to stop the abusive treatment she received during this campaign season. Much bigger fish than I who were on the call explained that neither they nor their “networks” would contribute a dime to the D.N.C. any time soon and nobody I heard was stepping up to raise money for Senator Obama. Speaker after speaker made it crystal clear that they and their contacts simply will not accept the current state of affairs regarding the D.N.C. and Senator Obama’s treatment of Senator Clinton.

    As always, Terry and Jonathan really listened. Terry McAuliffe himself said that he has never seen a major candidate treated so disgracefully – “like dirt” – by the media, and he is well aware that Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Senator Obama did not raise a finger to object.

    Terry encouraged those of us still willing to work to put a Democrat in the White House to work “with and through” Senator Clinton, to stick with her. He and Jonathan put no pressure on people not to work with PACs or even with McCain, but they made it clear that if one’s priority is to empower Senator Clinton than anything one does for the general election should be done via events she will sponsor.

    For myself, after the call I communicated to the campaign the following three points:

    I am going to get Senator Clinton’s debt retired, singlehandedly if I have to.
    I would urge Senator Clinton not to be careless with the political support she has accrued with voters by jumping in too quickly to raise money for either Senator Obama or the D.N.C.; I will respect her choices no matter what, but my network cannot be counted upon to do so.
    The Clinton staff should always feel free to call upon me any time to ask me to do anything for Senator Clinton. I am always willing to be asked, even if I cannot say yes. I have already booked a stay in Denver for the convention week to be there “live” come what may.
    As for what may come, it is clear that much is up in the air. Senator Clinton is NOT releasing her delegates. She and Senator Obama have not broached the topic of the vice-presidency; indeed, the two campaigns have just begun trying to find a time to schedule a joint appearance by Senator Obama and Senator Clinton. There will be such a joint appearance.

    Senator Clinton does remain firm in her conviction that it is best for the country and best for her politically to have a Democrat in the White House. She will act on that conviction. Furthermore, she will campaign for downstream Democrats who supported her during the primary season. Of these measures, all I can say is that I would expect nothing less from a person of Senator Clinton’s integrity, grace, and loyalty.

    heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/06/possibly-most-intense-phone-call-i-have.html

  103. Sorry, I forgot Hawaii, they went for him in the Primary also.

    Really kind of stunning that some of the states he won big, SC, are polling for McCain.

    But then the Polls mean nothing unless the O camp says they do. Also, O has not given us the rules for the general election, so he can win.

  104. 1950democrat Says:

    I have to go pick up my boys,and other stuff ,

    but i will be back 4-6pm pst.

    So pls e-mail me and i will do it .

  105. http : / / http://www.alexa.com

    This website is interesting. It tracks website traffic.

    Big Pink’s traffic has increased since May and continues into June.

    Taylor Marsh’s is experiencing a downward trend in June. No doubt because of the mass exodus of Clinton supporters. The same Clinton supporters who took TM from 0 in Jan to .004 in June. The same supportes she’s now calling “dense” and “deadenders.”

    Perhaps TM’s traffic will pick up again … this time with the help of Obama supporters.

  106. Third time is the charm…

    h t t p : / / http://www.alexa.com

    This website is interesting. It tracks website traffic.

    Big Pink’s traffic has increased since May and continues into June.

    TM’s is experiencing a downward trend in June. No doubt because of the mass exodus of Clinton supporters. The same Clinton supporters who took TM from 0 in Jan to .004 in June. The same supportes she’s now calling “dense” and “deadenders.”

    Perhaps TM’s traffic will pick up again … this time with the help of Obama supporters.

  107. Fourth time is the charm…

    h t t p : / / w w w . a l e x a . c o m

    This website is interesting. It tracks website traffic.

    Big Pink’s traffic has increased since May and continues into June.

    TM’s is experiencing a downward trend in June. No doubt because of the mass exodus of Clinton supporters. The same Clinton supporters who took TM from 0 in Jan to .004 in June. The same supportes she’s now calling “dense” and “deadenders.”

    Perhaps TM’s traffic will pick up again … this time with the help of Obama supporters.

  108. Jan: Your Welcom. Glad to be able to circulate more information.

    Btw, Clinton supporters have another name: “deadenders.” Courtesy of TM.

  109. Quoted from admin ($$$ are my comments):

    The negative strategy may have something to do with the need to win over the 18 million people who voted for Clinton. They may not have fallen for Obama’s charms during the primary — but perhaps they can be convinced that McCain is the greater evil.

    $$$ Wasn’t the MSM complaint with HRC was that while Obama was Mr. Hope and Sunshiny Optimism, Hillary’s “problem” was that her message was negative: Obama can’t win, he’s not qualified, etc.???

    That strategy left the leaders making, well, ballpark generalizations about Obama. “He is truly an all-star,” Reid submitted. “If we were talking about baseball, this man can run the bases, he hits for the long ball, he’s really good at picking out singles, he’s somebody that’s a team player.”

    $$$ That was a pretty retarded quote. All-star is ugh enough, but the rest was banal. Actually, he bunted and got hit-by-pitches through the primary, and a couple of singles. Hillary’s the all-star, who hit homers and racked up RBIs: CA, TX, FL, MI, OH, MA. And excuse me, “TEAM PLAYER”??? To quote Clyburn, “That’s OUTRAGEOUS”.

  110. birdgal, “dense” “morallybankrupt” “deadenders”

    These are the same people who supported her while the Obama blogosphere attacked her almost as brutally as they attacked HRC.

    I don’t get it. I probably never will.

  111. Maybe this is all a dream like when J.R. was shot on Dallas…sigh… Either that or there is something in the drinking water because this lavishing of praise on Obama is just out to lunch!

  112. posted at newsmax.com

    Hillary Makes Obama’s VP Short List

    Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:06 PM

    By: Rick Pedraza

    Barack Obama and his advisers have begun the process of vetting vice presidential running mates, and Hillary Clinton and several former military leaders have landed on the soon-to-be Democratic nominee’s list of 20 potential candidates.

    Clinton, Obama’s rival during the primary contests, reportedly made the cut by building an energetic coalition of support among women, working-class voters and Hispanics in her unsuccessful bid for the party’s nomination, and, according to Obama, “would be on anybody’s short list.”

    Clinton finished strong by winning six of the last nine and nine of the last 15 primaries, including decisive 10-point victories over Sen. Obama, D-Ill., in the key electoral states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    Making the list of potential VP candidates along with Sen. Clinton is Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., who was Secretary of the Navy during the Reagan Administration. Webb has the high-level military credentials Obama needs to provide reassurance to voters in the face of criticism that he’s short of national security experience.

    According to an NBC report, other former military leaders making the list include retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who unsuccessfully ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004, and retired Gen. James Jones, a former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

    Jones, a Vietnam veteran who is critical of the number of troops currently in Afghanistan, has held independent posts in both the Democratic Congress and the Republican-run State Department.

    Others under consideration from the military ranks include retired Gen. Tony McPeak, who was Air Force chief of staff during Operation Desert Storm; retired Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, who flew repeated combat missions and has worked with Obama on a range of military issues since before he began his presidential campaign; and Richard Danzig, who was Navy secretary under President Clinton.

    Obama also is looking at Hillary Clinton’s top military adviser, Hugh Shelton, who was former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Other more well-known names being bandied about include Senators John Kerry, John Edwards, Evan Bayh, Bill Nelson, Jack Reed, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Tom Daschle, and Sam Nunn. Also making the list are Governors Kathleen Sebelius, Mark Warner, and Tim Kaine.

    A three-person team is helping Obama manage the vetting process: former first daughter Caroline Kennedy, former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder, and former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson.

    They, along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and other top Democrats, are helping Obama wade through wide-ranging impressions about the people on the list, including the respect they command and their standing with their colleagues.

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  113. Filbertsf, wow — those Alexa stats are pretty incredible. When I first started blogging for Hillary and began monitoring all the Hillary-oriented websites, as well as the other “Big Liberal Blogs,” I used to visit about 10 a day. Over time, that number quickly dropped. This is by FAR the best site out there. Everyone here is incredibly knowledgeable about politics, and there’s none of the pointless whining and bickering that infects so many other sites.

  114. Obama Camp Reluctant to Pay Hillary’s Debt

    Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:21 PM

    By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size

    Hillary Clinton is turning to her former Democratic rival Barack Obama for help in paying off what is believed to be the largest presidential campaign debt in history.

    That help may be hard to come by.

    In addition to the $11.4 million of her own money that Clinton lent her campaign, she had about $9.5 million in unpaid bills to creditors at the end of April, the New York Times reports.

    The debts include $4.8 million to her former senior strategist Mark Penn’s polling and consulting firm, $956,000 to MSHC Partners for printing and direct mail, and $695,000 to Grunwald Communications for media consulting.

    The most-discussed option for Hillary to repay her debts is for Obama to urge his fundraising team to help her with a series of joint events, according to the Times.

    Due to campaign finance laws, Obama can’t simply transfer money from his campaign to Clinton, but his fundraisers could ask their contributors to donate to the Clinton campaign.

    Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe is scheduled to meet with top Clinton fundraisers on Thursday, the Times disclosed.

    But several Obama fundraisers told the Times that they would be reluctant to help pay off Hillary’s debts, because they are being urged to raise money for Obama’s White House run and for the cash-strapped Democratic National Committee.

    “They also pointed out that some Obama donors would find it difficult to overcome the animosity they built up during a long, hard-fought primary season,” the Times reported.

    Technically there is no deadline for Hillary to pay off her creditors. Former Sen. John Glenn ended his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1984 with a debt of nearly $3 million — and struggled for more than 20 years to pay it off.

    But Clinton has only until the Democratic convention in August to pay back the money she personally lent her campaign. After that, the most she could get back is $250,000.

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  115. Djia — wow, that report and its detailed list of names about VP candidates proves Obama wrong: earlier, he had made statements that the VP search process would be top-secret, and that no one would know anything until he had chosen a VP. So much for that! As usual, more hot air from Bambi.

  116. Even if Hillary as VP, I have decided I will not vote for Obama. I want HRC as my President and I’ll do whatever it takes. If not 2008, then 2012.

    It’s not a rejection of Hillary as VP. It’s a fight for her as President.

  117. DEAD-ENDERS??

    Umm, we want to go forward. We want to right the listing Democratic ship. The flawed candidate the manipulated the flawed process, with DNC and MSM abetting the coup d’party, are who the REAL DEADENDERS are.

    Doesn’t Taylor Marsh know that Hillary’s “Please support Obama now the way I do” speech was what she had to say with a metaphorical gun to her head?

    “Oh, gee, that was too complex for me to handle. I literally believe what I hear from everyone, without context. When my hubby says, ‘yeah, the veggie burgers are so much better than real beef’, I believed him”.

  118. So now Taylor Marsh has resorted to name calling? Those who supported Taylor Marsh are being thrown under the train if they don’t follow her to Obama’s camp?

    What a disappointment she has become.

  119. Berkeley Vox

    I have mixed feelings about Hillary as VP.. we all know after Chaney…. VP position has alot more power now
    than it had prior…….she could be in charge of alot….this would be a good thing for Us the people

    and being the first female VP would be a HUGE leap forward for women in general
    and it would potentially help her into Presidency in 2012? unless she can’t run immediately after a BO presidency???

    but the other shoe for me is ……he is going to do harm to our country and i would never want her tied to that politically

    so.. i will probably not vote if she is on the ticket as well

  120. ilbertsf Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Even if Hillary as VP, I have decided I will not vote for Obama. I want HRC as my President and I’ll do whatever it takes. If not 2008, then 2012.

    It’s not a rejection of Hillary as VP. It’s a fight for her as President.
    %%%%

    filbertsf, agreed.

    But I would bet you three tons of frozen waffles that “Hillary will certainly be one of the names at the top of the list”, but THERE’S NO WAY IN HELL THOSE TWO ARE GOING TO SHARE A TICKET.

    Obama’s pride will come before his sense.

    Besides, Hillary I’m sure has already indicated to O-man that they wouldn’t make a good team, despite her logistical reasons for going public that she would be interested in the veep spot.

  121. DIASPORA. What an appropriate all-encompassing word. A+ Admin!

    Very telling that the Democratic Jewish backers are gravitating toward McCain. I’m not Jewish, but have always and will aways stand for them and their causes. What floors me, quite frankly, is how and why ANY Jewish person could or would support BHO?!?

    BHO, the “poster child” of Nation of Islam is about as diametrically-opposed as it gets from what is sacred to Judaism. I mean, many NOI deny that the Holocaust really happened, for Pete’s sake. So…it’s surprising to me that any self-respecting Jewish person, or any self-respecting person of any creed for that matter (especially women), could back him. Glad that Lieberman is there to “enlighten” those who need “enlightening.”

  122. So they announce that Hillary is on the VP short list. His zombies react violently to the idea. Then they come up with all the reasons why she won’t be suitable…all in the effort to embarass and destroy this woman.

    I’m sorry, but this just reeks to high heaven.

  123. JanH, I just didn’t expect all the name-calling and mockery. I knew she was going to support BO because she had been saying that she’d support any Dem in Nov.

    But this new hostile tones towards Clinton supporters came out of left field. It’s almost Olbermann-esque.

  124. what i find appalling is that BO and “HIS” fund raisers are having a hard time coming around to party unity and help pay off hillary’s campaign debt……..but they have no problem accepting help financing the GE from hillarys fund raisers…now that is total hypocrisy !

    thankfully we have heard from her fundraisers that her debts will be taken care of……. I am sure they will be donating enough after “we the people” stop donating .

    so I say to obama…. go F yourself!!! because we are voting for McCain!

  125. I think Taylor Marsh is in a position that many Dems who supported Hillary earlier, but have come to “accept the reality that our nominee will be Obama.

    They are caught in No Man’s Land. Caught out in the middle of trench warfare. The Obamabots don’t want help from the “Clintonistas”, because they have “all these new people, etc.”.

    Clinton supporters view those who caved into Obama without a fight, who showed no spine, who only show policitcal calculation, as turncoats, and mere opportunists. They’ll be targeted when their turn to run comes up.

  126. So…being now ASSURED that contributions to HRC’s website will go directly toward retiring her campaign debt, I’m thinking that perhaps we could do another moneybomb.

    Anyone else up for that?

  127. rgb44hrc, I’m actually okay with TM supporting BO.

    I just object to the tone and hostility towards Clinton supporters who won’t drink the kool-aid. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.

  128. Taylor Marsh can kiss my ass. Who died and made her God? She’s just “dying” to be asked to be an official blogger for Waffles ass.

    F her and her blog. she’s a dirty traitor as well.

    Nobody gets my vote cause I’m a Dem .. you got to earn it.

    She like so many more don’t get it. I am not choosing to vote against Waffles because of Hillary .. I wasn’t impressed with himm during the primaries, didn’t vote for him and he hasn’t done a thing to change my mind.

    Taylor is stoopid enough to think that people are sheep and we should just “line up to be herded”

    Taylor, don’t hold your breath on Wafffles .. they’re using your bandwidth then they’ll tell you, the fake, to get lost.

    Waffle has a history of that.

  129. Note: yes I did say TM was dead to me. But it seems she’s launching daily verbal attacks against us.

    riverdaughter to TM:

    Ahhh, so you’ve written a critique of Clinton’s campaign where you put the blame on her for getting a mere 18 million votes from the biggest and swing Democratic states, finished strongly against all odds but *still* lost, you have capitulated completely and totally, called Clintonistas delusional and yet the Obamaphiles have not come a-callin’ to welcome you into the club.
    Hmmm, and you wonder if maybe this is a sign of things to come for the former Clinton supporters who have willingly put out for the new team.
    I’m surprised at you, Taylor. Haven’t you heard that old expression, “Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?”
    If you had really been honoring Clinton, you wouldn’t have given the milk away.
    riverdaughter | Homepage | 06.11.2008 – 3:50 pm | #

  130. IDUNN

    I have seen others trying to get donations for Hillary’s debt so that she isn’t obligated to obama
    I will make a donation when a money bomb is arranged.

    Hopefully someone who knows how to set one up will do that

  131. BTW – REZKO WATCH is Chock full of must read info today. lots and lots and lots to digest.

    Also, Pastor Manning is DAILY now on his ATLAH website. Daily must read/listen as well.

    Finally, wish everyone here would also read Larry Sinclair daily as well, and keep an open mind about whether you think bona-fide or not.

    Sinclair’s been Target #2, right behind HRC in the BHO Psychological Warfare Dept. Personally, anything the Obamabots discredit, gives me reason to give them creedence. Confirmed National Press Club on June 18, 2008 2:30-5:00. Bloggers are encouraging him to name names, “let it all hang out.” LS has invited Pastor Manning to join him.

    BHO’s War-Room is already making allegations about LS while he was in D.C. recently. All-out assault on LS by BHO camp. Check out the website, if you want to see what BHO is capable of in a democratic society. Intent on discrediting LS by any means necessary, scary to think what “set-ups” BHO capable of with politicians who don’t “go along with him.” Did anybody say fear tactics, threats, extortion, blackmail? Some fresh kind of politics – all “hope” and “change.” Liberty and freedom? HA!

    BHO’s definition of Freedom could come right out of the Me and Bobby McGee lyrics, sung by Janis Joplin….Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose……….because UNDER BHO it will all be lost.

  132. You are so right about the Yellow Democrats. They will turn, they will sell their souls to the Devil, they will be used, and then they will be discarded.

    I always wonder how you sleep at night when you are a turn coat.

  133. Posted on TM

    There is no dishonor in not voting for Barack Obama. He is not trustworthy. He lies too much. Now, Hillary Clinton, showing good sportsmanship, has endorsed Barack Obama and conceded the primaries. Does that mean that Hillary supporters SHOULD support Barack Obama? Does that mean that we will dishonor her for disagreeing with her endorsement? OF COURSE NOT. AND SHAME ON YOU FOR SUGGESTING THAT. We are not turning a deaf ear on Hillary Clinton’s endorsement. We hear it LOUD AND CLEAR. It just so happens that we disagree with her endorsement.

    Obama is a liar and he is a race-baiting, gay-bashing, misogynist. If we allow that in the Democratic Party then we would have given up core Democratic principles for the sake of UNITY. Sorry. Not in my lifetime. A vote for McCain is a vote for reform in the Democratic Party.

    The Obama camp has time and again communicated that they don’t need Hillary supporters. That’s just so convenient. It just so happens that a big portion of us won’t help them any.
    rickya | 06.11.2008 – 3:12 pm | #

  134. I’m another one who’s perfectly fine with TM (or anyone else for that matter) choosing to back Bambi in NOvember. It simply isn’t MY choice.

  135. Actually, in all fairness, I don’t think TM said “deadenders.” A poster had used that term.

    The bots on her site, just don’t get it. Name calling, is not going to endear Hillary supporters to their cause. It has to come from the top down, and apparently, from one of my previous postings, the Clinton campaign has heard “nothing” from the Obama camp. I think, they are waiting for a couple of weeks, to see, how the wind is blowing.

  136. Idunn and dija:

    I maxed out on the $2,300 during last primaries.

    Money bomb is good idea however.

    If she returns to NY Senate seat, which I assume is the case, intend to donate to her NY fund from Texas, if not but $5 wkly, as I hope millions of others will, so that by the time four more years roll around, she starts out at an advantage, not behind (an Obama-like 8-ball).

  137. birdgal, it was clearly on her blog today:

    Frankly, I don’t care what people who once supported my efforts for Hillary say, do, write or believe. It’s their choice to turn a deaf ear to Clinton, but I will have no part in it. These good people are now referred to as “deadenders,” which whether they like it or not is attaching to Hillary Clinton. She deserves better. Frankly, so do they, but their unwillingness to accept what we cannot change at this point does little to help Hillary, regardless of their righteousness, which is not in doubt.

  138. This person, Heidi, is an ardent supporter of Hillary’s. She has traveled for Hillary, set up money bombs, and was a frequent poster at TM, until the recent turn of events. If you want to donate through her blog site, there is a link to Hillary’s site. She has been great. Her system is already set up.

    heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/06/possibly-most-intense-phone-call-i-have.html

  139. filberts: okay. I just wanted to be sure, that I didn’t misquote her. Since it was in quotations, do you think, she might have been quoting someone else?

  140. To who here who are not White MIddleaged Women,

    A PUMA site says the media is trying to frame the No Obama movement as limited to white middleaged women. So they’re asking supporters who do not fit that demographic,to say so in online commenting, writing local papers etc.

    I’ve re-posted the local media lists for Montana,SD, Indiana, and Mississippi at
    h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm

    Sonia will help look for the previous lists, and other contact iists (SDs etc). But if anyone has them handy, pls email to me the lists or the links.

    1950democrat/at/gmail/com

  141. what difference does it make? I didn’t come up with the word “fuckwit” but I sure as hell use it and I hope that the ppl I call fuckwits know it’s coming from me and not someone else.

  142. I’m not into being nice to Taylor. She used Hillary supporters to further her blog and “podcast”. Then turned on a dime. It’s a lot of how she allows the bots to treat the HRC people.

  143. filbertsf

    I love the idea that we are deadenders, like we have no other choice. This is a democracy, and we certainly do have another choice.

    In November, we will exercise that choice. Too bad for O that the GE is not a Caucus.

  144. rickya,

    welcome to 44, good post…

    ‘The Obama camp has time and again communicated that they don’t need Hillary supporters. That’s just so convenient. It just so happens that a big portion of us won’t help them any’

    COPY THAT

  145. Washington Post blasts Obama for appearing weak, by caving to Republican pressure so easily on the VP search team issue:
    ———————————————
    He is weak. Cant hold a controversial position for more than 5 minutes.

  146. New Mexico: And, that it is not proportional representation. Highest number of votes in a state wins.

    For those of you, who want to help Hillary, I would suggest donating through Heidi’s blog. She really wants to retire the debt for Hillary.

  147. deadenders.
    ———————————————-
    that is a Rumfledian term. He underestimated the opposition and so do the bots. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

  148. To who here who are not White MIddleaged Women…

    I fit that criteria. I’ll stop over there after dinner.

  149. What Matters to John McCain?
    By Caleb Howe
    Jun 11th 2008 2:26PM
    Filed Under:eDemocrats, Barack Obama, John McCain, Featured Stories, 2008 President

    MATT LAUER: “If it’s working Senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?”

    SEN. MCCAIN: “No, but that’s not too important. What’s important is the casualties in Iraq, Americans are in South Korea, Americans are in Japan, American troops are in Germany. That’s all fine. American casualties and the ability to withdraw; we will be able to withdraw. General Petraeus is going to tell us in July when he thinks we are. But the key to it is that we don’t want any more Americans in harm’s way. That way, they will be safe, and serve our country and come home with honor and victory, not in defeat, which is what Senator Obama’s proposal would have done. I’m proud of them. And they’re doing a great job. And we are succeeding and it’s fascinating that Senator Obama still doesn’t realize that.”

    That is the exchange that has the blogs buzzing today. The Obama campaign is in full assault mode over the remarks, made by Senator McCain this morning on the Today Show. Senator Kerry, still remarkably the campaign’s front man on military issues, said that Senator McCain’s reply was “unbelievably out of touch and inconsistent with the needs of Americans and particularly the families of troops who are over there.” Just to emphasize part of what Senator Kerry thinks the troops families don’t need or want: “But the key to it is that we don’t want any more Americans in harm’s way.” Yes, I’m sure wives and mothers everywhere are perplexed by such an out of touch assertion.

    Other Democrats were quick to jump on board. Harry Reid said “McCain’s statement today that withdrawing troops doesn’t matter is a crystal clear indicator that he just doesn’t get the grave national-security consequences of staying the course — Osama bin Laden is freely plotting attacks, our efforts in Afghanistan are undermanned, and our military readiness has been dangerously diminished. We need a smart change in strategy to make America more secure, not a commitment to indefinitely keep our troops in an intractable civil war.”

    Of course, it’s simply not accurate to say that Senator McCain said withdrawing troops doesn’t matter.

    “We will be able to withdraw. General Petraeus is going to tell us in July when he thinks we are.” – John McCain

    “McCain’s statement today that withdrawing troops doesn’t matter …” – Harry Reid

    Interesting. In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, Senator Joseph Lieberman repeatedly pointed out that Senator McCain was being asked about whether he had the estimate, and that his response was obviously that the estimate doesn’t matter, because General Petraeus will let us know how things are going soon enough.

    It is clear from reading the paragraph or watching the video that Senator Lieberman is, of course, correct. If someone asks you if you have an estimate on when dinner is, and you say no but it doesn’t matter, my wife knows, is it the case you said dinner doesn’t matter? I don’t think so.

    What is even worse than Sen. Kerry’s assessment that John McCain is out of touch on Iraq (yes it’s hard to imagine anything worse than John Kerry accusing anyone of being out of touch on anything), is the DNC is showing that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, by rolling out an ad featuring the now infamous 100 Years war controversy. See the video here. I’m frankly in favor of their tying these two incidents together, as they involve the same degree of distortion on the part of the DNC.

    Senator Obama and the DNC continue to try to paint a picture of McCain out of touch with reality on the ground in Iraq. The success of the surge, the victories of our troops, and the fact that so many are coming home is bad news for the Obama campaign. Senator Obama might have seen this coming, if only he’d visited Iraq once or twice in the last 800 or so days. The Obama campaign will no doubt try to make more hay from this comment, and will surely be aided by the press, but even with that assistance they face a signficant uphill battle in trying to convince Americans that Obama is more up to speed on Iraq than John McCain. A battle which, in my opinion, they ultimately can’t win.

  150. dot, I don’t think TM used us. I think she sincerely supported HRC and I would like to think that she, like the rest of us, are still in mourning.

    However, TM also wants a future in broadcasting. It’s no secret she wants her broadcast picked up by Air America. For that to happen, she has to be relevant to the mainstream Democrats.

    Like I said, I’m okay with TM batting for BO… just don’t bash the people who have been loyal to her for 6 difficult months.

  151. wbboei: I had to look that one up. Today, is a lesson in vocabulary. LOL.

    rumsfeldian rumsfeld
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    1. rumsfeldian 19 up, 3 down

    Derived from Donald Rumsfeld, erstwhile SECDEF and all-around meanie, the term “rumsfeldian” is an adjective used to describe a truly tremendous blunder, such as NOT pursuing the jihadis in Afghanistan or invading/occupying a hostile country with far too few troops.
    He really screwed the pooch on that one! It was positively rumsfeldian!!
    by succulentboi Aug 25, 2004 email it 0 comments
    2. Rumsfeldian 12 up, 1 down

    a term to describe a person’s tendency to ignore facts, spoken or otherwise, when those facts are opposing to the person’s own viewpoint.

    Doctor: I’m afraid you only have two weeks to live.
    Rumsfeldian: Yeah, my health gets better every year.

    Banker: Your account is overdrawn.
    Rumsfeldian: I’ll write a check to cover it.
    rumsfeldian rumsfeldianism donald iraw loser
    by Hates_ Nov 23, 2006 email it 0 comments
    3. rumsfeldian 7 thumbs up

    Use of profound logic to confound the opposition, often yourself.
    “We have known knowns(things we know we know), known unknowns(things we know we don’t know), unknown unknowns (things we don’t know we don’t know), and unknown knowns (things we don’t know we know)” came the rumsfeldian reply to the reporters question.
    george w. bush bush rumsfeld president question logic iraq idiot

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rumsfeldian

  152. Yes, I forgot to mention that you don’t have Sds, but you do have the electorial college, and unfortunately, your strong suit is not in those states.

    I know is will be Hillary’s fault if you lose. Would be nice for you to take responsibility for at least one screw up.

    But that requires a person who has confidence in themselves and their ability. It is obvious that YOU don’t even think you have enough experience or you could admit your mistakes.

  153. NYT rips Obama, over what their front-page headlines calls a “growing furor” 😀

    Unelectable, indeed!

    ——————-
    June 12, 2008
    Obama Team Leader Resigns in Bid to Quell Growing Furor
    By JOHN M. BRODER

    CHICAGO — Senator Barack Obama, moving to quell a growing furor, accepted the resignation of the head of his vice presidential search team, James A. Johnson, on Wednesday after days of questions about Mr. Johnson’s tenure as head of Fannie Mae and other business associations.

    The resignation of Mr. Johnson, a consummate Washington Democratic insider, highlights the challenge Mr. Obama faces living up to his goal of not surrounding himself with people with ties to special interests.

    In a statement issued by his Chicago campaign headquarters, Mr. Obama said Wednesday afternoon that “Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept.”

    Mr. Johnson, who also directed Senator John Kerry’s vice presidential search when he was the Democratic nominee in 2004, had come under fierce scrutiny in recent days after disclosures that he had received mortgage loans on favorable terms from Countrywide Financial, the beleaguered mortgage lender. His large paychecks and bonuses while president of Fannie Mae, the quasi-public government mortgage agency, also drew heavy Republican criticism.

    Mr. Obama had defended Mr. Johnson as recently as Tuesday, saying that he had only a “tangential” role in his campaign and that he was not troubled by his business activities. He said he had not inquired about his mortgages and would not hire people to, as he put it, “vet the vetters.”

    But Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Republican Party officials kept up a steady drumbeat of criticism of Mr. Johnson. The case became a test of Mr. Obama’s professed independence from Washington insiders and supposed higher ethical standards. Mr. Obama has refused to accept campaign donations from lobbyists and had made criticism of the cozy financial and political relationships in the capital a hallmark of his campaign rhetoric.

    Mr. Obama said the remaining two members of the vice presidential vetting team, Eric Holder, a former deputy attorney general, and Caroline Kennedy, would continue the work that began last week.

    “We have a very good selection process under way, and I am confident that it will produce a number of highly qualified candidates for me to choose from in the weeks ahead,” Mr. Obama said in his statement. “I remain grateful to Jim for his service and his efforts in this process.”

    Mr. Obama was meeting with campaign aides in Chicago on Wednesday afternoon. . Campaign officials would provide no details of the discussions that led to Mr. Johnson’s departure.

    Earlier Wednesday, on a conference call with Obama campaign staff before Mr. Johnson’s departure was announced, Senator Kerry defended him.

    “Jim Johnson is a very experienced, very discreet, very capable individual who is performing a voluntary function without pay, without any interest,” Mr. Kerry said. “He’s not seeking a job and, you know, he is acting completely independently to gather information about somebody. And that’s it.”

    Mr. Kerry added, “That is the full measure of this, and it seems that this is one of those sort of Washington grab stories where people try to make something out of something it’s not.”

    Referring to the 2004 vice presidential vetting Mr. Johnson performed for him, Mr. Kerry said, “There were no leaks from my process, and he was handling unbelievably sensitive information.”

    He added, “He did an outstanding job in that capacity, and I have no complaint about what he did for me.”

  154. 1950

    u changed ur e-mail address.

    the one u gave earlier does not work .

    mine is still same ..sonia143—–@—-

    so may be u e-mail me
    thx

  155. YOU know that video (anti-hillary)on youtube -one of the reasons why brainwashed kids went to –FAKE HOPE–

    here is what i found online

    “The creator of a widely circulated viral web video portraying Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton as an Orwellian Big Brother was identified Wednesday [March 21, 2007,] as **an employee of an Internet consulting firm that works for one of her opponents, Sen. Barack Obama, **

    “Phillip de Vellis, a strategist with the Washington-based consulting firm Blue State Digital [“a company created by members of Howard Dean’s Internet Team”],[2] which hosts the Obama campaign web site, acknowledged he was the creator of the ad shortly after his role was disclosed[2] by HuffingtonPost.com, a liberal-leaning news and opinion web site,” Dorning wrote.[1]

    “DeVellis said he produced the ad outside of work and that neither Blue State nor the Obama campaign was aware of his role in the ad.”[3]

    “The video had been posted [March 5, 2007,] on YouTube anonymously under the name ‘parkridge47,’ an apparent reference to Clinton’s home town of Park Ridge, Ill., and her birth year of 1947,” Dorning wrote.[1]

    CONCLUSION— obama and howard dean knew who made the video

  156. “Obama’s PAC reported giving a $1,000 contribution, for instance, to New Hampshire state Sen. Jacalyn Cilley on July 25,[8][9] six days before she announced she was endorsing Obama for president.

    Hodes, who is Obama’s N.H. co-chair, received Hopefund Inc. funds on June 15, 2007, endorsed Obama on July 26, 2007, and received additional funds on September 27, 2007. In July 2007, the Boston Globe quoted Obama as saying “he was proud to have Hodes’ endorsement

    In addition to donating to individuals, Hopefund donated to several key Democratic groups in the battleground states, including $30,000 each to the Iowa House Truman Fund and the Iowa Senate Majority Fund and $15,000 to New Hampshire’s Friends of a Democratic Senate,” Solomon reported.[7][14][9]

    Hopefund Inc.(obama,s pac) also made two $5,000 contributions to the New Hampshire Democratic Party: on July 26, 2007,[9] and September 27, 2007.[15]

    Likewise, state Rep. J. Todd Rutherford, a lawmaker from South Carolina, received a $1,000 contribution from Obama’s PAC on Sept. 24, a few months after he endorsed Obama,” Solomon wrote.[7][9]

    “The bulk of donations from Obama’s PAC to state and local candidates this year went to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. In addition, there were more than $60,000 in donations to national candidates in those same states

  157. List of notable Blacks who endorse Sen. Obama
    By Major_Man saying YES WE CAN! – Nov 3rd, 2007 at 12:16 am EDT
    Also listed in: African Americans for Barack Obama | HBCUs for BARACK | NUPES for Obama

    Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content
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    Tags: obama
    I’m glad to hear Congressman Clay (D-MO) is supporting Senator Obama. He is not alone in his endorsement.

    BLACK ENDORSEMENTS:

    Congress: Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.); Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.); Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.); Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.); Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.); Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.); Rep. Al Green (D-Texas); Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.); Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.); Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.); Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.)

    Other Black notables: Gov. Deval Patrick (Mass.), Mayor Doug Wilder (Former Gov.-Virginia); Alice Walker, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Former Congressman Major Owens (NYC); Lou Gossett, Jr., Mayor Cory Booker (Newark, NJ); Major Adrian Fenty (D.C.); Halle Berry, Sidney Poitier, Oprah, Charles Barkley, Will Smith, Forrest Whitaker, Common-Rap artist, Alfre Woodard, Nas-Rap artist, Laurence Fishburne, Broncos WR David Terrell, Holly Robinson Peete, Wyclef Jean-Musician, Tracee Ellis Ross, Tyler Perry, William R. Harvey-President of Hampton U., H. Patrick Swygert-President of Howard U.

    Attention fellow Black Americans: Obama will be the “first Black President” (He is the only one who has had to endure the hardship of having dark skin)

    http://www.my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/majorman/Cngn

    WHAT ABOUT WHITE ENDORSEMENTS ?
    so who is talking about whiye and black now ??

  158. People in the area of these politicians need to see if they can make meeting where they speak, and start standing with signs that say how much O contributed to them, and when they endorsed. Stand up, turn your back, and have these signs ready. Just a quiet silent statement. Someone needs to be filming this also, so we can make it on utube. The National press would act like it never happened.

  159. I love how indirectly ominous this sentence is, from the front page of the NYT’s website this afternoon:

    “The resignation of James A. Johnson highlights the challenge Barack Obama faces in living up to his goal of not surrounding himself with people with ties to special interests.”

    —-

    To Senator Obama, I say, good luck with that one. Good frickin’ luck. McCain is going to pulverize him over this one. Page one the Republican playbook is “hit your opponent where he thinks he’s strong.” Obama thinks he’s a new brand of politician, and untainted by special interests, which is of course a ludicrous assertion. It also shows how Obama’s campaign is all about HIM (the “elitist” factor), when in fact, voters don’t really list “cleaning up Washington” anywhere on their list of top concerns. They want economic growth, jobs, and a solution to rising energy costs.

  160. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged [at the July 23, 2007, Democratic presidential primary debates] that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers are raising money for him is ‘because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that’,” ABC News reported July 23, 2007.[51]

    “Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they bundle. Obama’s amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What’s more, although Obama’s amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never become law as Obama seemed to suggest,” ABC News reported.

    liar —

    obama is never pased any law ever .

  161. Several things to discuss here

    1. Taylor Marsh:

    Taylor seems like a good person. I like her to the extent I have exchanged public messages with her. For awhile, people on Daily Krud and Democratic Underground were convinced she and I were the same person. So, there is some kinship.

    However, I am with Dot on this one. Taylor is Keith Olbermann is Jonathan Singer is Josh Marshall. They are all more concerned with being company/party men & women than they are about having personal and intellectual integrity, IMO.

    I believe O’Reilly recently went on a rant regarding Russert and this same subject.

    Look, it’s great that Taylor wants to be on Air America, or whatever she wants. Again, to me this isn’t personal. I like her and she knows that. But you have to call things as they are, and this is the reality:

    Taylor has ‘sold out’ in hopes of becoming a larger part of the DNC + media structure. I will say this for her, however: She never pretended she wouldn’t. So you can’t say she’s a traitor in that sense.

    She is doing what Olbermann did when he switched gears into MSNBC-pleasing Clinton-hating mode. What Marshall (who supposedly likes HRC) did for TPM’s traffic, etc.

    It’s like Hillary herself having to now nominally support Bambs. Taylor is doing what she feels she has to do. I’m not thrilled with it but not surprised at all nor particularly angry. The writing has been on the wall for months.

    I wish her well and hope her site is what it was pre-Bambs one McCain is elected.

    *

    Latest Bambi pander to Clinton supporters:

    “Hillary’s on our ‘short list’ for VP, honest!”

    STFU. No one is listening to your crap. In fact, you’re only making people more upset like the DNC will if they try to ‘backdoor’ in the full FL & MI delegates now that they got rid of HRC.

    *

    I think Idunn’s idea for a debt moneybomb to help HRC is a great one. I have contributed since the final primaries and will be happy to do so again, AS LONG AS THE $$$ DOESNT GO TO BAMBI.

    On the other hand, I think Bambs should pay Hillary some reparation $$ for what he did to her. In that sense, I am perfectly fine with her having Bambs retire her debt. That is the least he can do for how he treated her. It won’t change my mind one iota, but it is the right thing to do for BaJoke.

    *

    I think we all (well, those who will vote for Mac, anyways) have to give credit to the RNC for their excellent work on the internet and beyond so far. They have made some great commercials and are hitting Bambs hard and fast, as the latest Johnson fiasco shows. Keep up the good work, guys and gals. We all know that we will have to work 3x as hard as Babms to get the same coverage by the MSM, so keep on cranking out those hits!

    *

    Speaking of the GOP, the emails I have been getting from them have been very good as well. They are hitting the proper angles and working to take the initiative with Bambs. Good.

    *

    I have been one who has long been interested in what Larry Sinclair has had to say. For weeks now I have had as a ‘sticky’ in my site’s “Politics” section a video of Larry on a Puerto Rico TV station (via phone) talking about Obama, himself, Donald Young, etc.

    Is all of what Larry is saying true? I don’t know. But if even a small portion of it is true Bambi is toast. And so it needs to be pursued, to find out the veracity of it. If the Chicago police are listening to him, then why shouldn’t anyone else?

    *

    Someone mentioned writing Howard Dean last night about this trying to continue to take away HRC’s delegates in an effort to not have a roll call at the convention. Eff that. Here’s what I wrote Coward Dean:

    Title: Roll Call at the Convention: Have it

    Because if you don’t have it — and if you all try to reinstate the FL & MI delegates in a CYA move at the end of June — you’re going to have a lot more people like myself who is already working with the RNC.

    I like you Howard. You’re a good man. But what has happened during this primary season has tainted our party’s legacy for perpetuity.

    Don’t exacerbate yours and the party’s errors. I know Bambi brought a lot of $$$ and new voters, but you don’t want to take the fall with him when he goes down. He’s not worth it and you’re better than this.

    Sincerely,

    Paul F. Villarreal

    *

    Donna Brazile still sucks.

    *

    James Clyburn is dog excrement. His antics at the would-be ‘unity meeting’ tell you all that you need to know.

    It’s not about ‘unity,’ it’s about bowing-down to the race-baiters of Obama. And when they got what they want, they’ll play with their Blackberry while the candidate they helped defeat with mindless race-baiting is being discussed.

    Fornicate You, James Clyburn. Your ass needs to be primaried.

    **************************************
    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports dot com

  162. Berkeley Vox

    Intersting, Economic Growth, Jobs, and a Solution to rising energy cost.

    HRC had a plan for all of this without raising taxes.

    How dumb can the DNC get. Oh yes, I forgot, it is all about power, and not what is good for the American people.

  163. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) “has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months, including a vote on an Iran resolution he has blasted Sen. Hillary Clinton for supporting,” CNN reported November 2, 2007.[1] Since September 2007, Obama has missed 80 percent of Senate votes.

    SO when there is a important decision to make –he does not vote –so he can blame others accordingly who did or did not

  164. Glenn Thrush reported September 24, 2007, in Newsday “Since January 2007, Obama “has racked up three times as many missed votes” as Hillary Clinton, who has missed 28 votes or 8.3 percent, “according to roll call records.”[2]

    “He’s missed 23.7 percent of his votes, according to vote-tracking databases. The issues he did not cast ballots on ranged from the symbolic to the significant, and included measures on abortion, homeland security, bridge safety, foreign aid, the alternative minimum tax and a failed no-confidence vote on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in June [2007].

    “Obama has been absent for 82 of his chamber’s 346 votes during the current two-year session,

    why did not media attack him for this??

  165. Thanks for the feedback
    by Barack Obama
    Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:53:50 PM PDT
    Let me start by saying how much I appreciated all the energetic responses to my previous post. Time didn’t permit me to respond immediately, but I personally read most of them – positive and negative – and found them thoughtful and challenging.

    Rather than belabor some of the points I made in the original post, let me just offer a few quick reactions to some of the responses to my message.

    Barack Obama’s diary :: Permalink :: There’s more… (443 comments)
    Tone, Truth, and the Democratic Party
    by Barack Obama
    Fri Sep 30, 2005 at 07:38:41 AM PDT
    Update [2005-9-30 10:38:41 by Armando]: From the diaries by Armando. Since it is not our normal practice to promote diaries from our representatives, I think I should explain why I chose to promote Senator Obama’s diary. Simply put, Sen. Obama’s diary addresses in substance an issue that has been a major focus of discussion in our community. Given the source, the topic and the specific thoughts, and the discussion sure to ensue, it is my judgment that promotion was the right thing to do.

    I read with interest your recent discussion regarding my comments on the floor(1, 2, 3) during the debate on John Roberts’ nomination. I don’t get a chance to follow blog traffic as regularly as I would like, and rarely get the time to participate in the discussions. I thought this might be a good opportunity to offer some thoughts about not only judicial confirmations, but how to bring about meaningful change in this country.

    Maybe some of you believe I could have made my general point more artfully, but it’s precisely because many of these groups are friends and supporters that I felt it necessary to speak my mind.

    Barack Obama’s diary :: Permalink :: There’s more… (843 comments)

    AND WE WERE thinking –why kos shitts so much hate on CLINTONS — well one of thier writers were OBAMA

    HERE IS THE LINK
    http://www.barack-obama.dailykos.com/

  166. To add to that, Obama was a no-show at yesterday’s Oil Windfall tax.

    Silly Democrats. You sure do know how to pick a guy.

  167. Oh wait… the majority of registered Democrats voted for Hillary. Silly me.

    Thanks Dean, Pelosi, and the rest of you DNC scumbags for selecting the loser.

  168. Poor mj. Still fighting the good fight at TM:

    Can we guess how many of the people posting comments here now used to send vicious emails to Taylor?

    Watching some “new” commenters here just the last 3 days could give you a good clue.

    MABlue | 06.11.2008 – 3:53 pm | #

    When will she learn that those are TM’s new people.

  169. Paul:

    The “natural born” issue is only valid if it can be proved he was born in Kenya and his mother arrived in Hawaii 2 weeks later. If he was born in Hawaii, he’s a citizen. The birth certificate is the key.

  170. listening to RW talk radio on the way home.
    the question was who listeners thought McCains vp choice should be. one caller said “if you want to guarantee a landslide win for McCain, make it a McCain-Hillary ticket” the caller said he’d bet the ranch on a win. he also said BO would wet his pants at the thought of it!

    oh well..just for fun…..night all.

  171. African Americans for Obama in Nevada

    On October 24, 2007, Obama announced the launch of African Americans for Obama in Nevada, featuring Floyd Mayweather, the International Welterweight Boxing Champion, in a free event in Las Vegas.[1]

    WELL –IF HILLARY had said -asian americans or white americans for hillary –that will be racist ,where was media then .

  172. On October 24, 2007, Obama announced the launch of African Americans for Obama in Nevada, featuring Floyd Mayweather, the International Welterweight Boxing Champion, in a free event in Las Vegas.[1]

    [edit]Controversy: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
    However, John Aravosis of AMERICAblog wrote the following on October 24, 2007, about Floyd Mayweather, Jr.[2][3]:[4]

    “In 2004, Mayweather was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year. He was given suspended prison sentences, $1,000 in fines and ordered to complete impulse control counseling.

    “Mayweather in 2002 pleaded guilty to two counts of domestic violence in one case and battery in another. In 2005, a jury acquitted him of a third domestic violence charge, a felony, after his accuser changed her story. He reportedly was convicted of battery in his hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich., and he has also been the subject of civil lawsuits accusing him of battery.”[5]

    YUP— good judgement by obama — no wonder he likes jay-z who has that song about “99 problems “`

  173. Another poster had remarked that you have to provide your birth certificate to get a passport, so maybe that’s why someone was looking at his passport records.

  174. WHAT?? BIll O’Reily has been sipping perhaps. He is standing up for poor Michelle. He and Dickie Morris are saying it is not fair to go after a candidates’ wife. It’s not fair to go after women like that????????????????????/

    Great Ball’s o’ Fire…did not Bill O’ just spend the past 16 years and all of hate radio trashing, bashing, vilifying, making fun of, and saying the nastiest and most horrible things about Bill Clinton’s wife.

    Now it should be off limits. Gee Whiz.

  175. Yes, you do have to provide a birth certificate, unless you are just renewing your passport.

  176. Hehe, god I love Carville. I’m sure he knows Gore wouldn’t agree to another VP run, but he’s getting people’s hopes up by raising the prospect. When Obama ends up choosing neither Gore nor Hillary, everyone will be irritated.

  177. Oops, meant to post this:


    Carville’s flotation: Gore for Veep

    Former Clinton aide James Carville suggested on CNN just now that Obama offer Al Gore the vice presidential nomination.

    “I think if I was Senator Obama I would say the biggest economic problem we face is the biggest national security problem and the biggest environmental problem. And if I were him, I would ask Al Gore to serve as his vice president, his energy czar, in his administration to reduce our consumption and reliance on foreign energy sources,” he told Wolf Blitzer.

    Blitzer responded with some skepticism that Gore would accept a second tour, but Carville persisted.

    “I’m not suggesting he’s just any vice president. I’m suggesting that Senator Obama as president would give him a lot of authority to deal with our consumption of oil,” he said. “I think it would send a signal to the world and send a signal to Congress and American people that he’s going to be really serious and we’re going to cut it and coordinate all of that as the vice president.”

    I’m not sure James Carville — with whom Obama had a public spat — is the first person whose advice he’s going to take, though come to think of it there is an open slot on the vetting committee today.

  178. “I’m not asking Barack Obama to vet the vetters. I’m just asking him to Google them.”

    lol—

  179. REZKO, ANTOIN donated $10,000
    WILMETTE, IL 60091
    REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
    Senate – IL
    OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC
    primary 10/03/03

    REZKO, ANTOIN
    WILMETTE , IL 60091
    REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
    Senate – IL
    OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC – $-500
    general 03/31/03

    REZKO, ANTOIN
    WILMETTE , IL 60091
    REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
    Senate – IL
    OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Won $500

    primary 03/31/03
    REZKO, ANTOIN
    WILMETTE, IL 60091
    REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
    Senate – IL
    OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Lost $1,000

    primary 12/31/02
    REZKO, ANTOIN
    WILMETTE, IL 60091
    REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
    Senate – IL
    OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Lost $500
    general 12/31/02

    Rezko, Antoin
    Wilmette, IL 60091
    Best effort David W. Phelps (D)
    House (IL District: 19)
    PHELPS FOR CONGRESS Lost $1,000

    general 11/01/02
    Rezko, Antoin S.
    Chicago, IL 60610
    Rezko Corp/Real Estate Developer Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
    House (IL District: 04)
    GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
    primary 12/31/01

    wow—they r friends since 2001

  180. Berkeley Vox Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 8:14 pm


    Carville’s flotation: Gore for Veep

    ****************************************************

    Al Gore for VP again?

    There was a recent article, have to remember where, but Gore said he would not serve as any cabinet member for Bambi and congratulated him on the “nomination.”

  181. I actually said a few days ago .. this Gore for veep has legs.

    Now CNN on the “don’t touch Michelle” bandwagon

    How can the media think it’s got any creditiblity when it’s hamnmered Hillary Clinton all those years

    Something is getting ready to hit on MO .. the media is already trying to ‘soften’ the blow .. oh, leave the poor thing alone.

    I hope the whitey tape comes soon. I loathe MO

  182. filbertsf Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Taylor Marsh’s is experiencing a downward trend in June. No doubt because of the mass exodus of Clinton supporters. The same Clinton supporters who took TM from 0 in Jan to .004 in June. The same supportes she’s now calling “dense” and “deadenders.”

    Perhaps TM’s traffic will pick up again … this time with the help of Obama supporters

    Filbertsf…I have been there on and off trying to fight the good fight…it is almost a losing battle there…the obama people just jut there way in and start right in with the sarcasm, the insults…you know, all that unity and civility obama is selling…they are so smug and arrogant…I guess he really inspires them…

    …it is really sad to see what has happened there…sad…

  183. goody, I hope the breaking news on weather disrupts the bitch Campbell Brown’s cya’ing of MO.

    WHY, should she not be talked about. She’s been all over America telling people how “unproud” she is and that America has a big chip on its shoulder and how Bwack will “not stand” for people being less that what Bwack expects.

    F her

  184. Why, in the world, would Gore accept another VP role? I don’t think, this is going to happen.

    Don’t touch MO. Bite me.

  185. I wouldn’t give TM a hit. Let her let the Obamabots who she’s in lurve with now take care of footing her bill. She’s shittin a brick cause the Obama camp has not offered her an “official” capacity.

    I see through it all now. When she thought Hill was going to be the nominee she wanted on the Hillwagon .. now she’s gotta abandon the wagon and get on the doofus train to nowhere.

    F you to Taylor. You make me unproud to me woman.

  186. That is what yellow Democrats do, they don’t really have a loyalty to Democracy or their culture. They have a loyalty to being with the end group of their political party.

    However, this in group is like no other. I have see the party faithful work for them, and then ignored.

    Arogance can bit you in the butt.

  187. Banks, Tyra L – Barack Obama (D)-President
    OBAMA FOR AMERICA – $2,300
    primary 06/08/07

    Berry, Halle – Barack Obama (D)
    President
    OBAMA FOR AMERICA – $2,300
    primary 05/29/07

    Winfrey, Oprah – OBAMA, BARACK (D)=President
    OBAMA FOR AMERICA $2,300
    primary 09/12/07

    i saw this ,while i understand –they are proud of OBAMA — but why in the hell so much racism against –hillary —-and they all donated in 2007 so long before the whole iowa and south carolina thing started .

    these things make me even more mad ..

    i have seen so many celebrties who donated to both camps,,why not AA celeb —

  188. MO can bite my ass and so can BO. I’m getting my rounds in every day talking to everyone I know and I’m keeping the heat on to take that fraud down. When the big day in November comes he is going to lose by a major landslide.

    He can’t get through an entire day without effing something up … what does that tell you about how he’d govern

    He’s got Kerry out now trying to cover every mistake and I guess Kerry is hoping he’ll be on the vp slot.

    NEVER

  189. Sending a word out to my fellow iowans………hope everyone is ok tonight!

    we had 2 tornado’s in my area a half hour ago and 2 of my boys are in the middle of it all
    in sw iowa (denison and cherokee,ia) and another in se iowa (iowa city) so am praying they stay safe tonight too

    looks like chicago is going to get it tomorrow…… is obama in chicago still??? (not sure if i am kidding on that one LOL)

  190. So if you cannot touch MO, where are the apologies for crucifying BC? I guess it is not a two way street. I hope the RNC gets the email. Thank goodness the RNC has their own network, and O’Reilly has one of the highest ranked shows.

    Kids I can understand, but who made the rule on no Spouses. Oh that is right, the Emperor Obama now writes the rules.

  191. sonia,

    I sent you something stamped 5.54 in my outbox to the address on the last email I got from you.

    I haven’t changed mine. It’s still
    1950democrat/at/gmail/com

    Change / to @ and .

    I’m going to eat supper, back later.

  192. JDang, John Kerry is one ugly turd. Damn with his money you’d think he’d get a good plastic surgeon. He looks like a rotting corpse.

  193. Paul, Birdgal and everyone, I watched at 6pm Coward Dean defend Obama on national TV about his selection of Johnson. How long has this been out, what 24 hours and Dean has already stood up for Bambi, where the hell has he been for Hillary???? Where Howie????? Screw you and the horse you rode in on, you and the DNC will not get a freaking dime for me!! I will not transport my 85 year old yellow dog democrat father to vote for your freaking fraud, either!!!

  194. Bill O’Reilly seems to be “softer” on BO these days. Is that because he wants BO to come on his program like Hillary did?

    For years and years I did not listen to O’Reilly. Then the past couple of months when there was no other network to go to, I started for the first time tuning in FOX. Didn’t O’Reilly trash Hillary over the years? Wasn’t he bashing her back when Bill was president?

    Other than boosting his ratings with a BO interview, why would he go all gooy and mushy now on Michelle? So what is O’Reilly planning?

  195. Thanks Dot

    it’s mellowing a bit, another line coming 🙁

    hope its not a real long night of this again…… i need my beauty sleep 😀

  196. Some one said something must be coming down about her or they would not be talking about it.

  197. we had a big storm in the early am, lightening everywhere….. a tree down on my pasture fence left me with horses on the loose
    (thankfully they stick close to home and were pretty much eating the bag of dog food in the pole barn when i got up LOL )

    bad bad bad horsies!! LOL good thing they are easy to catch 😀

    2 houses in town about 1/4 miles from here on fire this am from being struck by lightening

    it’s been a crazy day!!

  198. djia, hope your boys are safe.

    We had a tornado here on 2003 that took down part of several of our schools in town plus big damage to homes, trees, etc. It was a rough time.

    This has been SOME tornado season.

  199. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    sonia,

    how many names you got ??

    anyway –yes i checked and i got ur e-mails and replied back ,

  200. Confloyd: That is sickening. Coward Dean, also said, that talking about Wright, would be racism. Now, he is protecting his choice of Johnson. The DNC is rotten to the core. They have definitely left the middle class in the dust. NO ONE said anything on behalf of Hillary or Bill, a former First Lady and President. What is wrong with these people?

  201. birdgal, I am so sick of Coward that I can’t stand it. Why would he go on TV and stick up for the fraud, when he knows we are all pist that no one stood up for Hillary!!! The freaking jerks don’t give a rats butt about us, the worker bees of this country!!!

  202. confloyd: The only thing they care about, is BamBam and themselves. Screw the rest of the country, and the concept of democracy.

  203. The more I see what is happening in the RNC and the DNC and how gridlock is so prevalent, I think we need a new party with Hillary as the head of it!!

  204. Here is a gift from a friend:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/U_of_Iowa_Students_for_Hillary_CoChairs_endorse_McCain_McKinney.html

    The Co-Chairs of University of Iowa Students for Hillary have just sent out a Facebook message imploring the group’s members to vote for John McCain — or, if that’s too hard to stomach, presumptive Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney.

    It’s unclear, to say the least, how many of the group’s members will listen.

    The author, Cody Eliff, has long been disdainful of Obama. He talked to Ben in December after he went to the comments section of Hillaryis44.com, a blog and hub for Clinton die-hards, to boast about anti-Obama talking points that he created.

    The letter attacks the media, Obama campaign workers in Iowa, and Obama, and claims Obama didn’t actually win the nomination but was “appointed by the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC.”

    “John McCain is an honorable man,” the letter states. “He is good personal friends with Hillary Clinton. He is qualified to be president. We do not agree with him on everything, and this is why we urge you to strongly support Democrats up for re-election to congress.”

    “Barring a DREAM TICKET scenario or a scenario in which HILLARY WINS THE NOMINATION, which we see as unlikely at this time, we endorse John McCain for President,” it continues. “We will not campaign for John McCain, but we will vote for him, and urge others to do the same.”

  205. Howard Dean is the biggest clown to be involved in Democratic? politics in our lifetimes. The guy is a smarmy jackass, a political hack, and has an ego the size of Canada. I think it’s hilarious that he was out shilling for Bambi, defending Johnson, and now Bambi’s had to do a 180 and tell Johnson to get lost.

    Admin, I won’t tell you how to write your articles because you always write incredible ones, but I really think there’s a good story to be had out of all the VP search nonsense we’ve seen the past few days:

    * Caroline Kennedy?!? WTF?
    * Bambi’s promise to keep the search top-secret, yet today the press reported there’s a 20-person short list, and named names
    * Strickland says “hell no”
    * Gore has said “thanks, but hell no”
    * Bambi promises top-flight ethics, but in his first act as presumptive nominee, he appoints Johnson!
    * Dean, Bambi promise to stand by Johnson, but the next day Axelrod and Gibbs tell Bambi he has to dump Johnson

    …and on and on. Looks like we have a fatally-flawed candidate, bumbling about trying to pick a VP, and it’s a job no one wants

  206. ADMIN —

    I am gonna be going through the site articles from the beggining ,so if you will see me surfing for hrs and hrs through different topics,

    just -FYI-

  207. BV, poor little BamBam, he needs Hillary to help him figure out what in the hell to do. He is in the crash and burn mode and Im lovin it, how about you all???

  208. Does that Coward still practice medicine??? I wonder what kind of Dr. he was, probably family practice!!

  209. Whats Hannity talking about tonight?? I am lovin that they are trying to protect little MO and little BO, nice try folks but the republicans are wolves, they don’t care who they slam, so welcome to the real world of politics!!

  210. The DNC is WEAK, WEAK, WEAK and MORALLY BANKRUPTED. As an Black American the only person I have a problem with is Oprah because she was a member of Trinity and knew full well about Obama and Black Liberation Theology and hate mongering in that church under the guise of Black Nationalism.

    Let me be very, very frank…the New Black Panther Party, The Nation of Islam, Black Liberation Theology and other radical groups…like the Weathermen are at the best…MARXIST, SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST in their teaching with victimization at the heart of it’s core. There is this underlining HATRED fed all the time and that this country need to be restructured.

    Another thing about Obama is that he is a typical corrupted Chicago Machine Politician who was selected by the Pelosi/Dean/Reid wing of the party to do the easy lifting that is needed…so they think. This is the same DO NOTHING Politicians who couldn’t even beat GWB or set up Inpeachment trials because they made a deal before hand.

    The GREAT Donna Brazile…another LOUSY Politician that believes her own press and LOSES SURE THINGS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Just plain nasty and a backstabber…her, Jim Clyburn, Jesse Jackson Jr and the rest of those slugs have set true racial healing back decades, imo. The use of the race card and gender bashing will not be forgot anytime soon.

    You can only play that card once on people that are not racist after that the word losing relevance and just become noise and excuse for their own lack of confidence. Black are not entitle to anything more then getting a fair shot of this country opportunities.

    Yes it’s hard but not unachievable if we would work together…yet time and time again my community place hard work and education as an after thought using excuses instead of finding solutions. It’s a fact that African Americans are on the bottom rung in term of Computers in their homes or computers programmers and or high paying jobs…

  211. Boy Scout Camp hit by tornado. 4 fatalities and 20 injured.

    Western Iowa. Little Souix??? Very sad.

    Is this near you, Djia?

  212. HILLARY was in iowa on july10th 2007 to speak about iowa ,so may be thats why she is going there again??on july 10th .

  213. idunn,

    Thanks. Actually I think the MSM is an easier place to post and goes further. The local lists are tedious.

  214. southern born

    no i am north of there, an hour east of sioux falls

    but that camp is near sioux city iowa

    from what i read 35-40 injured and 4 fatalities

    soooooo sad!!!

  215. I almost lost my dinner, after watching that one. What an evil, evil, vitrolic cast of characters. The song was very appropriate. They missed Huffington.

  216. carby: everything you mentioned is true, and they are the reasons, why, I cannot support BO. The description of Clyburn’s behavior, yesterday, at the DNC unity meeting, took my breath away.

  217. djia, glad you caught all of your horses. I had a black mare one time that would figure out how to get out of every fence i put up and she would go around the corner and eat the neighbors dog food. LOL!!

    So sad about the boy scout camp, this bad weather is scarey, put it with BamBam and its even scarier!!!

    These casts of characters are truly sickening, birdgal!! What if the price of gas keeps going up, they’ll blame the republicans and we’ll have Bam Bam for POTUS!!

  218. birdgal:

    Coward Dean, also said, that talking about Wright, would be racism.

    That quote needs to be corrected to:

    Coward Dean, also said, that talking about Wright, would be EXPOSING WRIGHT’S racism.

    There, now it’s accurate.

  219. Confloyd

    all my horses are totally ruled by their stomach’s all i have to do is yell “come boys” and shake some feed in a can
    and they come a running! 😀

    I thinks so weird they like dog food LOL of course they eat pretty much anything i am eating…..PIGS! LOL

  220. djia, you got that right, that black mare got an ice cream sandwich after every horse show. she expected it, she was a mess!!

  221. Latinos to Obama: Put Hillary on the Ticket or Help the Undocumented
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:36:44 PM EST

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) must commit to helping illegal immigrants achieve citizenship or else risk losing the vital Latino vote in the general election, Hispanic Democratic lawmakers are warning.

    If he does not promise so-called comprehensive immigration reform, the lawmakers say, the only other way to win over Hispanic supporters of his erstwhile rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), may be to pick her as his running mate.

    The Congressional Hispanic Caucus is meeting with Obama’s campaign this week. One member says:[ More….]

    “Hillary holds the entire Latino community in the palm of her hand,” said. Rep. José Serrano (D-N.Y.), whose district went heavily for Clinton.

    A vice president for the National Council of La Raza says:

    …whether McCain can win over large enough numbers of Latino voters is “still an open question.” “But Latinos are brand-loyal, and after the Clinton brand, the McCain brand is the second-strongest among Latinos because of his military service and his immigration record,” Munoz said.

    The clout of Latino/Hispanic voters is increasing. In California, they are 30% of all voters and in Texas, 32%.

    While McCain beat Romney by only 4 points in Florida, he got 54% of the Latino vote in the Republican primary compared to Romney’s 14%.

    And many Republicans remember that it was in 2004 when 40 percent of Latino voters abandoned the Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.), to vote for President Bush, Munoz said.

    Munoz called 2004 the Democrats’ “low-water mark” in pulling in Latino support. The “high-water mark,” she said, came in 1996, the last time a Clinton was on the ticket.

    Even Obama supporters in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus say Obama needs to step up his outreach:

    And even longtime Obama backers in the CHC — including Reps. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) and Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) — said that Obama has a lot of work to do in drumming up support among Latinos who are still fiercely loyal to Clinton.

    “I have encouraged the [Obama] campaign for a year now that retail politics is very important to us, but they don’t yet seem to have gotten the message,” Gutierrez said. “We really need to see more of that from him.”

    Turnout is key.

    “We have a tendency to not go to the polls to vote,” Baca said. “[The CHC] can help get them out to vote, and it’ll make a big difference. But in the end it’s up to him.”

    The group wants Obama to commit to putting immigration reform on his agenda for his first 100 days. Sounds pretty easy to me, but apparently Obama doesn’t yet have such a plan:

    Obama’s campaign coordinator for Spanish-language media, Vince Casillas, said that while Obama has promised to take up immigration reform in his first year in office, he has not yet laid out his detailed plan for comprehensive reform. “As soon as he’s ready and has a plan in place, he’ll announce it,” Casillas said.

  222. ADMIN–

    WOW-WOW

    i just read ur posts as bck as july 18 ,u guys did some hard work here ,and comments were only 5-20 sometimes then .

    HATS OFF to all of you ,most of you were here even then ….thats passion ,

  223. confloyd,

    my friends who are independent are pretty good indicator of election. in 2000, some of them were for Al Gore and some of them were for Bush and Al Gore won popular and bush won election. In 2004, most of the were for bush and bush won. this year almost all of them were for Hillary but now are going to vote McCain because they are not comfortable with the association of BHO. I predict McCain will win landslide.

  224. i dont remember when I started posting here, it was this year i think, but i am grateful for this site. its like no other!!

  225. There is some pretty interesting stuff on the rezko site. The fact that the sellers of the mansion got higher bids than the one obamas put in and the fact it had to close on the same day. I think that is weird. usually that takes a few weeks to close!! Why would anyone except a lower price for the house??
    Sounds like the Chicago machine bought the house for Obama, to make him look better!!
    I think he is a puppet for the north american union, they are the one calling the shots and putting up the money. They probably have a lot $199. donations from dead people in Chicago!!

  226. confloyd, yep if a register dead person can vote i expect they can donate too! …… such slime

    time to call the O’Ghost busters!!

  227. I gotto go back to work tomorrow, I am dreading it, I have been off for a week, I hurt my back. I have been home doped up on vicoden for a week! 🙂

  228. confloyd…..my kid in denison just called me to tell me one of the boys at school filmed a tornado going by their school in a corn field……he was all excited about it……of course me the mom….. i am not so excited!! YIKES!

    oh this is the kid that wants to be a meteorologist/storm chaser……..he scares me!!!!!! LOL

  229. meiyingsu, ideally, I want a McCain landslide, but I want the Democrats to control both the House and Senate by a significant margin than they do know.

    The problem for the first 6 years of Bush regime was that one party dominated 2 branches of gov’t. It’s bad for democracy and it’s bad for the party.

    If McCain even thinks about nominating another Scalia or Thomas, we know the Dems will not confirm. Hmmm… they rolled over and confirmed Alito and Roberts.

  230. With all the news of proHillary sites being attacked, it’s a wonder that Big Pink continues to flourish.

    Kudos to admin who must have some serious computer mojo to withstand the onslaught!

  231. confloyd….. how is your back now??

    i suffer with a bad back , many joints and diabetes among many other things on a daily basis….not fun!!

    makes me wish i hadn’t been such a sports fanatic till i was 30 years old…..you’d think i would be in great shape
    but so many past injuries haunting me now 🙁

  232. Confloyd: I read Rezko watch, and the Obamas are very, very dirty. I hope, they do not get to the White House.

  233. NYCMax

    I also had those same thoughts about this site…….we know the trolls lurk and copy n paste us
    but they don’t seem to really get through the “TROLL” filter 😀 LOL

  234. meiyingsu Says:

    June 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
    confloyd,

    my friends who are independent are pretty good indicator of election. in 2000, some of them were for Al Gore and some of them were for Bush and Al Gore won popular and bush won election. In 2004, most of the were for bush and bush won. this year almost all of them were for Hillary but now are going to vote McCain because they are not comfortable with the association of BHO. I predict McCain will win landslide.
    *****************************************************
    I agree.

  235. filbertsf,

    Nancy Pelosi, Harward Dean and DNC dare to nominate BHO even though they think he might not win GE is because they think they can keep the house and senate no matter what. I do hope GOP swipe the white house, the house, and the senate.

  236. djia, sounds like you got a dare devil on your hands! I have never seen a tornado, and I hope I never do. Of coarse I have been in my share of Hurricanes. The worst one was in 1970, I was 20 and that was the longest night i ever spent. I spent it watching the house get blown down around me and my neighbors. My mom house was the only one left standing in the morning and we had 17 people and 10 dogs in one tiny bedroom. that was the only thing left of the house. We all did some mighty praying that night, even the athiest’s prayed that night!!!

  237. djia, the back is much better, I had been very busy, lots of back boards (car wrecks). I just wonder why its only the heavy people that get into wreacks! LOL!! I love to get those skinny ones.
    I know what you mean about pasture injuries, they really start hurting after about 45 years of age. I have all those, plus 20 years of lifting, dragging, rolling very large people in the hospital!!
    What I will not do is let anyone cut on my back, i will retire first!!

  238. meiyingsu, that’s just crazy talk, amiga.

    You’ve lost me there. I can tolerate a McCain in the WH for only 4 years, but to want total and complete domination of GOP rule is regressive and, honestly, freaking scary!

    My reasons for wanting McCain to win has nothing to do with McCain. I want Hillary as my President and I will do whatever it takes….

  239. meiyingsu, that is exactly why i am going to pull the lever for a straight republican ticket. They will not mess with the worker bees again!!

  240. confloyd

    I guess i saw one when i was two, my babysitter laid over me in a ditch till it passed…….but of course i have no memory

    thank god!

    Nick has been obcessed with tornadoes since he was a very little kid…..I keep hoping he will get over it but i don’t think so 🙁
    he tried this spring to transfer to the kansas city school and if he had found an opening, he’d be there now and they have the worst weather in kansas! so i am thankful for small blessings LOL

  241. Taylor Marsh is a dope and she will never get anything from Obambi because he does not trust her. It is all about trying to hurt the Clintons with using her supporters to go after her.

    Obambi has a cruel streak in him that’s why I say VOTE for McCain if the SD’s nominate Obambi…this guy is a sexist pig, a grudge holder and has a very mean streak. Jim Clyburn is another arrogant little creep that has hurt himself greatly, along with Dean/Pelosi and Reid…they have tied their star on Obambi back and is going all the way, unless the PEOPLE of this Great Nation STAND UP for what is BEST FOR THE COUNTRY and EVERYBODY not one group over another.

    It’s just wrong.

  242. Oh yeah, they have the worst weather in Kansas, that’s where my dad is from. I saw the huge damage after a tornado hit topeka in 65 or 66, i can’t remember. It was horrible, but it was confined to a long swipe of land, whereas, with the hurricane celia, the swath was 50 miles wide and went for 75 miles inland. It was just as bad a damage as the tornado.

  243. Like I say previously, Obama will lose to McCain in California, Texas, Florida and the DNC has nobody to blame but themselves….they sold out CALIFORNIA for SO CAROLINA…BIG WHOOPING DEAL.

    California is Clinton Country and after that McCain…Obama not that much and it ain’t going to get any better. Obambi and the Democratic party is TOAST!!!

  244. You guys… don’t let vengeance take over reason. You all know what we all went through when the GOP had control of pretty much all 3 branches of gov’t. Let’s not let that happen again. We need balance again.

    If McCain takes WH, it needs to be balanced out with Dem control of Congress.

    Ideally, what I want in 2012 is Madame Clinton President and the Democrats controlling both House and Senate.

  245. Yep, that’s why i am voting a straight republican ticket, i want to get rid of all those responsible for this fiasco!!

  246. carbynew,

    I think BHO might lose all but IL. however, since he has strong AA support, he might win some, say five states.

  247. meiyingsu, should we lose the country along the way? Look what the GOP has done to this country… do we really want full domination for another 3 years? That’s unbridled power by one party.

  248. McCain is a misogynistic, backward ass himself. There’s nothiing complimentary that I can think of to say about him… save maybe his service to the country.

    Just because I’m voting against BO doesn’t mean I like grandpa. I figure that since we’ve lived with a baffoon in the WH for 8 years, what’s another 4?

  249. University of Iowa President, Vice President of Students for Hillary Endorse John McCain

    June 11th, 2008

    We endorsed McCain today, and offered Cynthia McKinney as a good alternative.

  250. filbertsf,

    I am no fan of McCain. but do you have a choice in the election? who do you choose. BHO or McCain?

  251. I’ve never seen a tornado funnel but I saw the huge trees in our yard being uprooted as we watched out our basement window. It was very scary and the sky was a strange greenish color. I hope to never be in another one.

    Somehow this nomination process seems as crazy and twisting and destructive like a tornado. Obama and his thugs are doing temendous damage all the way around.

  252. Baffoon, thats a good word to describe Bushy! Well, what word can we use to describe the current DNC crew???

  253. meiyingsu, how can I make it clearer to you? I have already stated that under no condition will I vote for Obama. I want to leave the door open for Hillary in 2012. I can not in good conscience close the door on her chances. I despise McCain and his conservative principles.

    What you and I were bantering about was the total and complete domination by the GOP of our 3 branches of gov’t. That is what I object to.

    McCain as Prez. Fine. GOP control of House and Senate. Never.

  254. filbertsf, that about covers it, that is if we want to use words that aren’t bad. I have a whole lot of bad words i could say about them!! LOL!!

  255. filbertsf, you are right, I think after a few weeks, we will all come around and not take such a huge retribution on the DNC. We will just sock it to BamBam!!

  256. I just got back from the Texas democratic convention. One of the most amazing things I saw was a huge number of people running around with T-shirts that said “The only Truth that stands before us is Obama”. I don’t know about you guys but I find that truly frightening. Can you imagine if Hillary or Kerry supporters had run around with T-shirts that said something like that?

    BTW I am new thanks for your site.

  257. bornagaindem, well i am glad then that i hurt my back and had to let my alternate put in my vote because i probably would have said something about all the lies he has told!! They must have been the type that doesn’t read!!

  258. Larry Johnson over at NO QUARTER says, ” I understand some of Hillary’s supporters are walking away form the Democrats and embracing John McCain. It is not a step I can take but I will respect it. I also understand there are some who will hold their nose and vote for Obama. Again if that is your choice I will respect it.”

    Larry said he spoke with a “star” general officer on Monday who was a Hillary supporter. He said the officer understood exactly the challenges confronting BO. He said with no hesitation, “that young man is in over his head and is going to get this country in trouble.”

  259. Bornagaindem, welcome to Hill is 44.

    Those tee-shirters really do think BO is the “second coming” don’t they.

    That’s radical religion scary.

  260. southern born

    I was just in the middle of reading that over at noquarter

    more confirmation that we are not on the wrong track as far as BO is concerned.
    just wish this general was more specific.

  261. djia

    He was specific for a general – He said with no hesitation, “that young man is in over his head and is going to get this country in trouble.”

    Interpretation: He’s young, he has no idea what he’s doing and will make a mess out of this country and we will have a lot of problems and trouble brought on by him.

  262. There is a very interesting on The Confluence re: the primary situation, and how the DNC and Rules Committee broke all their own rules. Waffles is an illegitimate candidate, as well as a dirty one.

    “The timing provisions was created to allow four states to go earlier than the rest (which could hold primaries/caucuses between feb 5 and jun 10 only), but not before specific dates and in a specific order.

    One of the keys was the order — it was supposed to be two caucus states (”white” Iowa, and “diverse” Nevada) followed by two primary states (”white” New Hampshire followed by “diverse” South Carolina.)

    SC moved its date to the same day as Nevada, and NH moved its date a week earlier at the same time.(this was before Michigan moved ITS date) The whole point of the timing provision was lost when NH and SC moved their dates — we wound up with two white states first….and the Hispanic and Native American and organized labor communities in Nevada being overshadowed by South Carolina.

    The move also had a very significant impact on the outcome — Edwards was expected to do fairly well in Nevada, and to receive major labor endorsements there (the service workers union – SEIU — had supported him in Iowa, and he was expected to get the national SEIU endorsement before Nevada, and SEIU dominates Las Vegas.) Edwards wasn’t doing well in NH, however — and with Obama’s win in Iowa, and Edwards poor pre-primary poll numbers in NH, SEIU endorsed Obama instead of Edwards.

    Had Nevade gone before NH, Obama probably would have wound up a weak third place in NV, and Edwards would have had momentum going into NH…”

    In regards to removing his name off the ballot in MI, a poster had this to say: “the only reason he didn’t do it in Florida too is because it is illegal there (it’s that anti-democratic). Think if some country like pakistan was holding an election and musharaff pulled his name off the ballot at the last minute and then declared that the election was moot becuase he wasn’t on the ballot. Jimmy Carter would be having an embolism….”

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/documentary-proof-of-rbc-stop-hillary-corruption-found/#comment-42391

  263. I am in the 16th senate district unfortunately which was 154 to 104 Obama /Hillary. I did get to vist the 20th though where the split was 72% for Hillary.

    Yes meiyingsu. A delegate for Hillary that beat out a real supporter signed in at the convention for Obama instead of for her. The woman who was defeated by him was really upset. He is the partner of a super delegate who in the end also supported Obama. The rumor was that they wanted a major gay couple to stand up and support Obama at the convention in Denver.

    It is all just politics and presentation isn’t it? the old empty suit phenomenon.

    Neither Hillary nor Obama will win Texas and I am happy with my decision to go in in NOvember and vote for every democrat except the presidential race and if I have a write in choice I will put Hillary. I hope it shows up as an anomaly because I want the the pundits to know why Obama lost and not just have to speculate endlessly and wring their hands. And believe me at least half of the Hillary people at the convention felt the same way.

    I wondered out loud on other sites if I should worry about having my mom do that in California but the Oba-ma-niacs overwhelmingly told me they don’t need my/her vote because they are going to win anyway so that is what she is going to do too.

  264. Another comment, from a poster on The Confluence:

    “Obama had a quiet meeting with many leaders of many religious denominations yesterday, and plans to open the Denver convention with a big religious event.

    It’s as though Dean and Obama have a plan to steal the religious right/moral majority and make the DNC the soul of a new America.

    I am beginning to see what influence Rev Wright and friends have had on Obama over the past 20 years. This just keeps getting more creepy.”

    and a response: “it would expain the woman, gay & lesbian, poor / blue collar marginalization. It is just kind of weird, but maybe Brazile was serious when she said the “old” party could just stay home…”

    What is going on????

  265. bornagaindem,

    A vote for McCain in Nov. is a vote for Hillary in 2012. please also vote against those who endorsed Barack Obama before June 3, 2008.

  266. THIS IS IT, GUYS….Let’s make this huge….

    Put out a ‘save the date’ anywhere you travel in Hillaryland….

    Town Hall Meeting for Clinton Supporters with Senator John McCain via WEBCAST.
    Saturday, June 14th at 3:30 p.m.
    ALL HRC supporters Welcome via the internet
    Submit your questions for Senator McCain to mkforhillary@gmail.com
    For more info contact: spabeles@patriot.net
    Call in details to follow….

    P.S.
    Organized by HRC supporters

  267. ok im in touh with the mccain camp and they emailed me saying there is not sucha townhall yet. can soemone clarify this asap

  268. I would love to write in Hillary’s name.

    I am not going to do this. I will be voting for McCain. Writing in Hillary’s name is a wasted vote.

    Everyone who says they will be writing in Hillary’s name is I REPEAT IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA.

    Wake up everyone if you truly want to knock O out PLEASE VOTE FOR MCCAIN

    This man must be DEFEATED

  269. I tell you that it is getting creepier every day, now with the baby bambam school of politics to the huge evangelical opening to the DNC convention. This man is scaring me. The black liberation thelogians are angry and they want revenge at the white man. I think the dumbasses in the DNC are blind to this information. They must live in a vaccuum, because this hate is everywhere and it is jumping to get out. I think we are going to have a huge racial war very soon!! When the republicans launch their all out war on Bambi, I believe the AA’s are going to take it to the streets, way before the convention!!

  270. hawk, good job today. While I appreciate the suggestion that we choose McKinney as an alternative, unless she’s a viable candidate, I will not throw my vote away.

    Obama people aren’t. If their thuggish method of bringing out the dead and ineligible in the Primary is any indication, we need all hands on deck. It’s McCain or bust.

  271. I see by all the comments here that most of you think it is a done deal with Obama and McCain.

    May I remind you there is a convention in Denver where at that time the delegates will vote for our nominee. Did the lady with the pantsuit sing yet?

    For those of you willing to fight the good fight, take action on the items that admin has suggested. If all you want to do is decide whether you will be absent or vote for McCain then none of this should matter to you.

    there is more information on letters and superdelegates on this site as well:
    http://www.countthevotescast.org/sdletter.php

    you are still not invisible to Hillary, don’t make her invisible to yourself.

  272. Washington Post, again blasting Obama over his VP fiasco:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/community/groups/index.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aa70e3396-6663-4a8d-ba19-e44939d3c44fForum%3a5543a34c-af92-4736-b81b-4aad0ab02e2eDiscussion%3a39a25b12-df89-4708-a94c-70d62773bda3

    James Johnson is supposed to help Obama “vet” possible running mates.

    A large part of that job is to keep Obama from forming an unfortunate association with a shady character or a person who could prove politically dangerous. A person, that is, like James Johnson.

    How alert will Johnson be if one of the potential veeps has an ethically dubious record or even a politically embarrassing one? He either wasn’t alert to it in his own case or didn’t care.

    Obama says that it would be absurd for him to “hire a vetter to vet the vetters.” But it would not have taken any great amount of research to know that Johnson was bad news. If Johnson has the political skills for the job, he should have known it himself. If he had Obama’s best interests at heart, he should have declined the job. And he should have stepped down once his controversies reignited in the interest of his candidate. That Johnson was unable or unwilling to see the problem he would create for Obama shows what a poor choice he was.

    Not to mention the fact that Johnson was involved in vetting Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. She was a disastrous candidate who ended up spending much of the campaign playing defense on, yes, ethics.

    Johnson has been under a cloud for a few years. If Obama doesn’t end up having to dump him, he will have gone a long way to dispelling that cloud. Even though Johnson isn’t being paid by Obama, that is, he gets something valuable out of this association.

    Obama has shown questionable judgment in picking his associates, and even more questionable judgment in handling the ensuing controversy. Which is becoming a pattern.

  273. WAS not linfar a member here ??

    she was acting nice —

    linfar Says:

    April 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    plural, you got it right.

    I just watched the video of Lou Dobbs calling out the media bias in the reporting of Clinton’s and Obama’s standing in the race.

    Wow!! that guy is phenomenal. I mean he just called it right out and Bill Schneider was backpedaling all over the place. If you haven’t seen it, go to Taylor Marsh and look in the diaries. It is right there.

    It made me feel so good. He just really made everyone face the way the race is being spun.

    linfar Says:

    April 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    1950 democrat, I am with you on that. Bigtime. We need to get our own site going.

    linfar Says:

    April 2nd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Has anyone else seen this. Cheating by Obama at caucuses, etc. I am not sure what I think, but it is new information, different than reports of thuggery.

    linfar Says:

    April 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    I think PA is critical. It will show she has got the stuff. If I could get back there and put boots on the ground I would. We should be blanketing that state. Gotv should begin Right Now. Everyone will be watching that state.

    ***

    Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    Birth Certificate Will Not Show Virgin Birth!!
    by linfar, Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:42:56 PM EST
    cross-posted at http://www.mydd.com

    This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. Hillary supporters have joined the GOP-backed madness swirling around Barack Obama’s birth certificate. In their zeal to defeat Barack Obama Hillary supporters have become the latest dupes in a GOP rumor mill discrediting Barack Obama’s birthplace–thus making him ineligible to be President.

    http://www.clintonistasforobama.blogspot.com/2008/06/birth-certificate-will-not-show-virgin.html

  274. Love Heidi (http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/):

    A Donation to Retire the Debt = A Slap in the Face to the D.N.C.
    (Second in a series. Note, all links take you to Senator Clinton’s website where you can donate to RETIRE THE DEBT.)

    Believe you me, nobody but nobody is more disgusted with the current D.N.C., particularly with the hapless Dr. Dean. As with all corrupt institutions, I am refraining from having ANYTHING to do with the D.N.C. They make me sick.

    Ok, that said, let me explain the following.

    A Donation to Retire the Debt = A Slap in the Face to the D.N.C.

    The D.N.C. is in real trouble right now. They can’t raise money. Senator Clinton’s most powerful fundraisers are not going to help them – at least not based on what I have heard them saying – even if Senator Clinton would like the D.N.C. to receive help (Senator Clinton is thinking of the downstream Democrats who rely on the party for assistance in their upcoming elections).

    My view is that if the D.N.C. wants one lick of help from any supporter of Senator Clinton the first thing it should do is boot Howard Dean and make it clear that the new chair is somebody who Senator Clinton wants in that position.

    In the meantime, we can help Senator Clinton AND tick off the D.N.C. at the same time (smile a slightly naughty smile here). If we very quickly raise a ton ‘o money to rid Senator Clinton of her debt, believe me, the D.N.C. will understand where the true power lies. After we raise that money, we hold on to every penny we have unless and until Senator Clinton becomes the nominee for President or clearly takes control of the D.N.C.

    Help Senator Clinton; Diss the D.N.C.

  275. linfar was that annoying cow who kept peddling her freaking posts from mydd. practically begging people here to “recommend” her damn posts. Said she was being attacked by Obamabots. Well, as they said, can’t beat them, join them. Good job, linfar!

    One time I had to tell her to stop posting and reposting the same links every other posts.

  276. filbertsf Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:17 am

    well –i thought ,she was hill -fan

    i am shocked to see her change her freaking colors–

    but who cares —

  277. She was but in the game of politics, friends become foes on a dime. Take Taylor Marsh. She’s calling us “deadenders” and sounding so Obamabot you’d think it was a different person.

    As for linfar, as I said, I found her annoying, but she was a Clinton supporter.

    We all are taking a different path. The road some of us are taking is a lonely one, so get use to it. I knew we would have less allies in the former pro-Clinton blogger world.

    I think mj said that rigso, who used to post here a lot, has turned Obamabot, too.

  278. hawk Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:25 am
    Oh my, we are on Politico….

    check out the dailykos link —

    they are shitt heads –spying on us—

  279. I think it was CountTheVote who said we need to stick together. That’s what I intend to do.

    However, if someone decides to switch to BO and start insulting us, I won’t spare their feelings. I’m sure the feeling is mutual.

    I’m sure linfar will feel very much at home on mydd now. In a way that’s good. She won’t have to come here and peddle her posts or beg us to recommend them.

  280. Linfar –oh yeah –the bots are licking her ass

    ADMIN–PLS BAN HER — if i see her here –i will really fuck her up now —

  281. sonia,

    Thanks for writing all those papers! YOu are great!

    Someone at a PUMA site said we should all write about this not being just a movmeent for middleaged white women. Local papers and the MSM both.

  282. they did that to me on ;;here is the link where they used my name

    if on the same blog –u go to june ist –u will see —

  283. Sonia –

    The issues around Bambi’s birth and legality of being able to run for President are two: Was he born in Africa and, even if he was born in the USA, is he a natural-born citizen or is he instead a naturalized citizen.

    Two different concepts.

    If the statute that was put on here last night is accurate, where Hussein was born is irrelevant. He could have been born in Hawaii and still be ineligible to run for POTUS based on the law which was on the books at the time of his birth.

    This isn’t about the GOP peddling anything. If Bambs is on the wrong side of the law on this one, he’s toast. And it doesn’t matter what anyone says.

    We’ll see, I still haven’t seen anything definitive on the matter.

    If Kenya would release his records and Bambi would produce the birth certificate, all of this would be much clearer. That information, combined with a thorough going-over of the statues concerning being a natural-born as regards Bambi, is required before this matter can be properly put to bed — if it can be.

    If it is shown that Bambs was born in Kenya or he is not a natural-born US citizen (and thus eligible to run for POTUS), then Obama is f_cked.

    Others have said you were a ‘Bama bot and I resisted going along with that line of reasoning, but this post from you seems awfully like what a scared Obama bot would be writing in an attempt to try to quell the story before it gets too big.

    It’s much too late for that. There are already multiple people working on the story as we speak. If Bambi is on the wrong side of the law here, it is going to come out, and no one can save him. Not a race-baiting clown like Clyburn or GodBrazila, either.

    ‘Cuz if Bambi is fighting the law on this one, the law is going to win.

  284. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:34 am
    sonia,

    YOU R WELCOME—

    I will do the other 2 states 2morrow ,,

    but i won,t post here –i will just e-mail u the info ,b/c bots are always just spying on our blog —

    click on the link of dailykos and see forurself what those freepers do ,,

  285. dem —

    i say —

    we should assign certainpeople who are around the area —-

    or may be just anywhere to blog there

    i don,t wanna write complete sentences b/c Linfar and dailykos are taking notes

    hey —dailykos –i am on my perio—my tommy is cramping –pls start ur blog on that too—loserrrrrrrr

  286. I got an email from a fellow former supporter I used to volunteer with at Hillary’s office in CA. He told me that he can’t vote for McCain and the only option left was Obama. So he was going to vote for him.

    Told him in the email that I wished him well, but I didn’t respect his decision because as someone who followed this Primary closely, he knew better the type of person Obama is.

    I told him about this site eons ago, but never told him my username. I’m sure he knows who I am now.

    He and I correspond regularly. He was also the guy I encouraged to go to TX with me (didn’t happen). One less person on my email list. Anyways, that’s life.

  287. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:39 am
    Sonia –

    hey buddy

    r u okay ??

    which comment??
    read carefully and follow the link ans see what i am trying to prove??

  288. filbertsf Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:43 am

    well cutting him off is not gonna help .But to keep on talking on and off and try to convince otherwise will help .
    a lot of people are like that –someone i know did the same thing ,i respect thier decision ,but i won,t stop talking to them till i prove my point ,

  289. wbboei Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:47 am
    Confloyd, he is a real snakeoil salesman.

    no –its a she or he

  290. I’ve never seen anythng bad from Linfar. I think she may be taking the birth certificate thing too seriously. He probably really is eligible to run.

    But — why would he conceal his birth certificate??? What’s the big deal?

    Maybe it’s like the flag pin, he’s making a big deal about refusing to do something that shouldn’t be a big deal…. Or maybe the flag pin was camouflage so we will think the birth certificate is not a big deal either…. 🙂

  291. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:52 am

    i agree ,thats what i thought ,she was a hill-fan

    but we here were following the story from somewhere -who mentioned that obama,s camp refuses to show birth certificate ,

    so the whole fuss started ,,,my point is if LINFAR did bot agree with it ,she should have talked about it but she went and wrote a whole fraeking diary about it ,

  292. Well, I expect Larry and those other ex-military intelligence people at noquarterusa.net can find out pretty quick what is in the hospital records, and whether Obama’s mother was ever in Kenya etc etc.

    This is so cool, all us very different people all over the country and all over the world pitching in and working together for HIllary!

  293. Obama’s VP hunt sort of reminds me of the McGovern/Eagleton fiasco in ’72

    Has anyone tried contacting the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics? I am sure Rove has…

  294. No one ever said Linfar wasn’t a Clinton supporter, “sonia.” I clearly stated she was.

    Whatever she was, it doesn’t matter anymore. I don’t even know much about this birth certificate story and haven’t read anything about – except what is excerpted here.

    What I do know is that when a former Clinton supporter who used to post here, turns into an Obama supporter and start insulting us using language like “duped” and “joining the GOP-led madness,” that person is pretty far gone.

    So what does it matter if Linfar is “nice” or was a “hill-fan.”

  295. Here is another path as regards the Obama citizenship issue — and it is one that he and flunkie McCaskill have apparently tried to kill during the campaign:

    http://www.hawaiiankingdom.info/C1126750129/E20080305175848/index.html

    Basically it mentions the question: Is Hawaii a state?

    Here’s some more thinking the blogger did on the subject:

    http://www.hawaiiankingdom.info/C1126750129/E20080215214658/index.html

    Bottom line seems to be this: There ARE legal issues as regards Obama’s citizenship and thus, his eligibility to run for Prez. And it looks like he and his cult know it, too.

    No way we’re letting go of this story. Good for linfar for pushing the story.

    Sonia — I’m great, as always.

    What I’m not, however, is in the mood to concede ANYTHING to the opponent. The sooner you learn that about me, the faster you will understand me.

    You want to pass off lin’s story and the Obama citizenship angle as GOP tripe? Go ahead, knock yourself out.

    Just don’t expect us to go along with you. Not all of us, anyways.

    Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Ever. Particularly when dealing with totalitarianists.

    This guy kicked Alice Palmer — and ALL his opponents — off the ballot in ’96 on technicalities. If he can be taken off the ballot based on the law, get him the f_ck out of here, ASAP.

    If that means Hawaii isn’t a state but is instead a kingdom — and that seems to be what’s spooking Bambs — then so be it. We can resolve the issue after the election.

  296. sonia,

    If you’re writing those local papers/sites, can you keep a copy of the exact link on each where you were able to post?

    When I tried that list, I’d have to look around for a long time at the site before I found anything with a comment box.

  297. well—i think he is us citizen ,its just a gop rumor about him not being us citizen ,i mean as dumb as dnc can be ,i am sure they checked everything ,

    but u know it does raises question though,that why refuse to show it ??
    he should just show it and shut up the media about it ??

    but he won,t,,why?

  298. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 4:01 am

    dude –conceding me??

    I belong to a political family from backhome ,i never conceded to my teachers in life and concede to obama—

    I was talking about Linfar ,s diary .

  299. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 4:02 am
    just e-mail me about whatever u want me to do .don,t talk in too much detail here ,we don,t have any trolls but dailykos and spies log in and just start pasting stuff,,,so

    i will e-mail you .

  300. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Ever. Particularly when dealing with totalitarianists.

    what is –totalitarianists.

  301. More nonsense from Hothead Howie:

    ——-
    June 11, 2008, 12:41 pm
    Howard Dean Says He’s “Dialing Back Rhetoric”
    -Wall Street Journal

    Susan Davis reports on politics.

    Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has been cultivating his softer side.

    The one-time presidential candidate with a proclivity for partisan jabs said this morning that he’s made a concentrated effort to tone down his language. “I’ve been dialing back my rhetoric in the last couple of years,” Dean told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, joking that even his teenage children have told him he’s “too controversial.”

    Dean said he realized that the tone of the political conversation was perhaps turning away certain groups from the Democratic Party, and “I think we do need to open doors.” Dean pointed out that the Democratic Party has made greater overtures and, as a result, had greater successes, with the evangelical community in recent years.

    Dean deferred when asked if was likely to engage in public tête-à-têtes with his counterpart, Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan. “We’ll take the right challenges at the right time.”

    But Dean hasn’t totally shied away from his trademark bluntness. Discussing his opinion of the status of the conservative movement, Dean criticized Republicans for an ideological rigidness that he argued shut the door to anyone who didn’t agree with the most conservative wing of the party. “That is a very stupid thing to do,” he said.

    As for his own party, Dean reiterated that he believes unity won’t be a problem for Democrats, but conceded it may take time. He said it “took me about three weeks to get my head together” after his defeat in the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination fight. “And then it took me about three months to get my followers back in with Sen. [John] Kerry,” because “obviously it’s always harder for the supporter.”

  302. Totalitarianists are those who subscribe to totalitarianism:

    http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

    The Bambi Cultists are totalitarianists, and Bambi is their cult Leader.

    Here’s the kind of thing a totalitarian leader would do:

    Start a kids group for himself so that the kids could become good followers and try to either change the minds of their dissenting parents or else rat those parents out if they don’t change their minds.

    This is insane, maniacal stuff. It is the stuff of someone like Zbigniew Brzezinski who hated Red Russia but apparently picked up the USSR’s finer propaganda points.

    If this dangerous cult Leader can be “Alice Palmer”-ed on a technicality, then he should be. Not only for karma’s sake but for the sake of our nation.

    He’s afraid of this issue. Don’t cast aside what he fears, nurture it.

  303. Pardon me as I mumble to myself while typing: I’m very frustrated over the possibility that guy may get elected. I have very few resources, and even fewer poltical skills. Still, I want this guy stopped.

    We know how this guy got to where he is in this election because we’ve followed it closely. Surely our elected officials know also, yet they seem to be going along with it. Why? Maybe they just wish they could do the same kinds of things and also get by with it.

    It’s comforting to read on the web about all the various organizations who are opposing that election, but I wonder if they can be effective in stopping him. I can only hope the current opposition won’t melt away. For example, will the women “stick to their guns” and vote against him?

    I’m certain Admin is putting together a string of activities that should prove effective if we carry them out. Even though we are not alone, it is really up to us as much as anyone else to things done.

    I don’t trust the GOP and their surrogates to fully vet this guy, and especially not in time to knock BHO before August. I don’t even think they will try to do that if it would help Hillary. If they are holding damaging information and plan to release it a week before the GE, they won’t have time to counter the denials before the actual vote. What a waste!

    While I like McCain well enough to actually vote for him in the GE, I don’t have a lot of confidence in his political skills vis-a-vis BHO. It’s obvious BHO and his team were very skillful in getting by with the things they did. They will do it to McCain also. McCain will need our help – and a lot of it.

    I have tremendous confidence in Hillary, and I know she should have won, but the MSM and the powers in her party were stacked against her. That came as a great surprise to me as it unfolded.

    I don’t want to sound too negative, because I believe BHO can be stopped. I only wonder if he will be stopped. In fact, the strong opposition already gives us a start. Can we keep it going and growing? I wonder and I worry about that.

    Forgive me for sounding off.

  304. Sherm Kader,

    I am not so sure he can be stoped before August but I am confident he will be stoped in Nov.

  305. Karl Rove really knows how to run a campaign. If he can get Bush in the White House twice, I think McCain should be a piece of cake. Rove has no conscience. His whole focus is to win by any means possible. It should be a good match up with the O people. We will see who is the stronger.

  306. Also, I think they can take the negative, address it right up front, and make it a positive.

    O can bearly find the rest rooms in the Senate, he has spent so little time there, and also has only been able to find the present button on his voting remote most of the time. He has not been there to vote on issues 29% of the time.

    His Illinois record was manufactured. This has been plotted for some years, and people need to start look at who was plotting it.

    The American public does not like to have their popular vote ignored. The RNC might think their condidate is too liberal, but he was elected by the popular vote, and not contrived by a purchased bunch of SDs, who now bear the responsibilty for anything this man does. We need to kept track and make the feel the consequences of that endorsement.

  307. Bill Clinton once praised the political skills of Karl Rove, so he really is good. However, I don’t think Rove is running the McCain campaign. I doubt McCain could afford him, especially considering how little money he has collected so far. I doubt the Republican Party can afford Rove.

    We can’t count on the Democratic Party’s help in stopping BHO, so we will have to hope all these various anti-BHO organizations, including this one, will be able to make the right moves to be effective.

    Regardless of the name (which I hope still somehow becomes prophetic), this is now primarily a Stop Obama site. All the discussion about what could have been and what happened before will do little good. I hope some of those good people on here who were able to make some things happen in the efforts to elect our candidate can now make things happen to stop Obama.

  308. Good Morning!

    I thought Karl Rove was an advisor to the McCain campagin? Never the less, what the Republicans do to Obama will be classic, I will have so much fun this fall, I can’t wait! Hell, they(McCain campaign) have enough ammo to keep firing at him from the end of the Democratic Convention to Nov 4th!

  309. I think Obama cakewalks to victory unless some tape becomes available…

    The key is his strategy of linking Bush to McCain which I thought could not happen because McCain was really a moderate with dignity like Colonel Powell, but some of McCain’s recent choices to rally a republican base have made it easy for the Obama machine to label him McBush. If that is the feeling people get with McCain he WILL lose. If he goes back to his roots of Maverick, moderate, war hero – and sticks true to his guns (unlike changing on Bush Tax Breaks) I think he has a much better shot.

  310. Not to mention Obama has the entire media on his side that chooses which smear tactics to put on the air – and my guess is they will show very little.

  311. JAS, I certainly hope you are right. My thinking is we can only speculate on that until after the convention. They aren’t letting much info slip out. I doubt their standard anti-Democrat and anti-Liberal stuff will be effective.

    We had enough stuff that should have stopped any virtually unknown in the primaries, but the voters seemed to ignore that. The MSM played a major role in that, and I’m not sure they will support McCain in the GE.

    I just believe we have a tough fight ahead of us, but it’s one that must be fought, and one that we have to win. I’m not ignoring all the good reasons for optimism, but I was optimistic in the primaries. It’s me I don’t trust right now.

  312. OandrewD, your thoughts are the kind that have me concerned. We can’t just throw in the towel and decide to rough it out. We need to find a way to stop this guy. I know some polls make it seem as if he will have a difficult time winning, but others don’t agree.

    We need to help some way to make it so he loses the final poll in November. I admit I don’t know how to do it at this time. I will keep reading here and elsewhere until I see some way it can happen.

  313. OandrewD
    In 2004 Bush was better than Kerry because he had already made his mistakes, while nobody could think what Kerry would do if he were to be elected. People normally avoid wild cards.

  314. meiyingsu Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 7:51 am
    Obama May Defer Some Of His Tax Increases

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9cDlYY1bdM
    *****************************************************
    What an idiot and the DNC keep pushing this lie that Obama and Hillary has the same tax plan….BULLSHIT.

    Obambi is MARXIST 101…this bottom up economic growth plan…when has the bottom up grew the economy? Yeah there need to be regulation but this marxist bunk Obambi is touting will get us gas lines again and place us in a reccession.

    I don’t agree with the Republicans tinkle down economy either… and since Ted Kennedy keep touting Obambi as the next JFK….JFK cut taxes for the rich and business…he was a fiscal conservative compare to Obambi.

    I also like how the media assume Obambi will be the next president…what a lot of nerve to promote this idea that the voters are irrelevant in the process.

  315. Good Morning all,

    Waiting for the contractor so grabbing a minute to say hi and offer a couple of thoughts.

    Broder has a decent article about HRC today (too little, too late, of course) but he pointed out that “….with Ted Kennedy’s illness she will have no rival as the most influential Democrat on Capitol Hill.” 🙂

    Short-termer – i agree that of Waffles isn’t taken down NOW the country runs a very real risk of him being sworn it as COC. 👿
    Blue Dem, this one for you. A thought about Rangle’s disgraceful defection. I’ll bet anything that if SPITZER was still GOV instead of PATTERSON Rangle wouldn’t have DARED turn on HRC. Patterson is on record as having urged HRC to concede a couple of weeks ago even though he fell short of changing his endorsement at the time. Ralph Dawson, RBC Florida motion instigator is a New Yorker. We know of course about Sharpton and Jackson. Isn’t it ironic that Patterson, an AA who achieved the governership by DEFAULT, and who recently signed a law making noose displays and no other hate crime punishable by 4 years in jail, has shown his true colors and backed Waffles, forcing Rangle and the rest of the NY contingent to do the same. 😈

  316. SONIA4HILLARY Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 4:02 am
    well—i think he is us citizen ,its just a gop rumor about him not being us citizen ,i mean as dumb as dnc can be ,i am sure they checked everything ,

    but u know it does raises question though,that why refuse to show it ??
    he should just show it and shut up the media about it ??

    but he won,t,,why?
    *****************************************************
    When has your birth certificate become private property…that’s a public record and should be released to the public.

  317. carbynew- In regards to the Birth Certificate, I thought it is public record and you can get a copy (for a fee). I can not imagine this would be hard to get (I am sure the McCain team has it)

  318. Look people the REPUBLICANS don’t have to do the DEMOCRATS any favors, in fact there are enjoying this mess because it confirms everything about the WEAKNESS and ANTI-AMERICAN elements in our party LEADERSHIP and the Lib Media.

    I have NEVER in my lifetime been embarrassed to be a DEMOCRAT!!!

    Do you know how Team Obama and those race baiters in the democratic party make Black people look like a bunch of HYPOCRITS that will sell you down the river in a heartbeat and can’t be trusted to HONOR their own CIVIL RIGHTS BATTLES in the VOTING RIGHTS AND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL.

    The test for me was if OBAMBA was WHITE would AA’s vote for him and the answer would be a resounding…HELL NO!!! Because they KNOW someone with OBAMBI background would be suicidal for THEIR welfare.

    But they can buy into this MYTH that OBAMA cares about their issues when he DIDN’T DO ANYTHING for the poor, working middle class…and the facts support that….time and time again.

    OBAMBI is about HIS OWN SELF and it’s about him getting power and wealth and being the NEXT CASTRO and CHAVEZ!

  319. I am getting SOOO much shit for our endorsement of McCain/McKinney lol. My facebook message box is full of Obamabots, Paul Eaton emailed me to rethink it, and there is a story on politico. The group as a whole didn’t even endorse McCain, the 2 leaders personally endorsed McCain and McKinney, and then urged them to do the same.

  320. I may be in my fifties now, but I guess I am naive enough to think that people should respect each other and don’t try to make fun behind our backs. I am a very private person and the idea of someone stealing our posts/ names and posting on anti-Clinton sites is just sickening to me. Whatever happened to fair play and treating others the way you want to be treated yourselves?

    Why can’t we have different loyalties and opinions without having to worry about posting them? I’m just very sad about this.

  321. Waffles was born in Hawaii, which is a state, not a territory. He was born to an American mother, on American soil, he is a citizen. Just saying…… This might be a distraction.

  322. cabynew- you are so right. The Republican talking point will be: Democrats can’t even lead, and they have lack of leadership in their own party, how do you expect them to lead the country? trust me that will be a talking point!

  323. JAS, In Hawaii birth cerificate is only made available to the immidiate family! However I do not see why they can not force Obama campaign to come up with it by contesting his primary election claiming ineligibility? I wish OKiatty could answer!

  324. Good morning.

    I’m going to take a moment here to defend Linfar. We are ALL entitled to take our own roads with respect to how we will vote come November. That said, it is entirely possible that a troll has hijacked Linfars login. It’s happened to a number of posters here on Big Pink…myself included. That’s largely the reason I use a unique login on every political site I visit. If you see “Idunn” ANYWHERE other than Big Pink, it’s someone OTHER than me.

    Anyway… my point here is that perhaps Linfar has changed direction, or perhaps he/she has had her login hijacked…but whatever the case, I am NOT going to trash fellow posters for having arrived at a decision that differs from my own. THAT is what Obamatons do, and I’m better than that.

    YMMV.

  325. Idunn,

    My post wasn’t specific to Linfar. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I was just speaking in general.

  326. birdgal wrote: Waffles was born in Hawaii, which is a state, not a territory. He was born to an American mother, on American soil, he is a citizen. Just saying…… This might be a distraction.

    It’s a mistake to speak with such authority about something that you may not have a full understanding about. I don’t know if what the people on the Hawaiian Independence blog are saying is true or “out there” but it’s clear that they have a perspective on the issue that may be based on a different understanding of the situation than what we were taught in grade school.

    They write:
    It has been pointed out to me that prior to 1986, someone born abroad was a U.S. citizen only if both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth. Since Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen (he was Kenyan), he actually cannot claim citizenship by jus sanguinis, only by jus soli with Hawaii considered a state. Again, I still don’t think this will have any actual effect on his eligibility, since the U.S. considers Hawaii a state, but in fact if you follow the legal argument that Hawaii is an occupied country and the U.S. has never legally acquired Hawaii, the logical consequence is that Obama is not a natural-born citizen by either place or parentage, and is not actually eligible for the presidency.

  327. Carbynew
    What a brilliant analysis.
    “Do you know how Team Obama and those race baiters in the democratic party make Black people look like a bunch of HYPOCRITS that will sell you down the river in a heartbeat and can’t be trusted to HONOR their own CIVIL RIGHTS BATTLES in the VOTING RIGHTS AND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL.”
    You said it eloquently, objectively and impartially.
    BTW, whaddaya think of the Obamaroid plan to focus on RELIGION! Look what happened to poor Romney coz he was a Mormon! And there weren’t even any nasty videos of his pastors raving about other ethnicities!
    Now Obamerroid wants to have camps, indoctrinate kids, and completely overturn separation of church and state. Someone upthread posted a comment about texas convention delegates wearing tee-shirts that said, “The only Truth that stands before us is Obam(arrhoid)”. I dunno about anyone else but that scares the panties offa me. What’s next? Being ordered to CONVERT to the OBAMARRRHOID Congregation or be tortured and imprisoned for heresy!

  328. NYC: For my entire life, I have presumed that Hawaii was considered a state, by the U.S. Government. You’re right, I don’t have full understanding of the situation, but as long as the government considers Hawaii a state, I would think, that he would be considered a natural born situation. The Hawaiian Independence blog may have a different take, but I don’t think, we are using their standards. Just saying….could be a distraction.

  329. birdgal, Why is he not releasing his birth certificate? What is there to hide? Is it possible that he does not have birth cerificate? Is that possible?

  330. I, too, have always considered Hawaii a state. I’ve never heard any indication that it might not be. I don’t think it will have any bearing on the election, but I do think it’s interesting that there are some people who believe that Hawaii is an occupied country. It’s doubly interesting because of what is happening in Puerto Rico vis a vis statehood there.

    That said, I don’t see where even being a distraction is necessarily a bad thing. I’ve said it before but it bears repeating. What is Obama hiding by not releasing his birth certificate and passport records? It makes no sense to me that these records are being withheld. If he thinks that his travel and birth records will lead to questions that he doesn’t want to answer then I think it is appropriate to beat that drum.

  331. birdgal, Is it possible to force him by contesting his primary wins due to ineligibility because he is not a natural bor citizen! I do not doubt that he is a natural born citizen but this might force him to come up with at least his birth certificate!

  332. clintondem: who is going to do that? The DNC is in his pocket. Who is going to challenge it? The challenges to the FL situation went nowhere.

    NYC: Good question. Why not release the birth certificate, and be done with it? No one is taking him to task on anything. Not a good sign.

  333. Everyone keeps talking about distraction. Distraction from what? How is this distraction affecting anything at all right now? Hillary Clinton has suspended her campaign and for all intents and purposes has thrown her support behind the presumtious nominee…I for one welcome the distraction.

    We’re just typing here. I can understand other people not wanting to discuss it because it’s not interesting to them, but what is with the effort to belittle what other people find worth discussing?

  334. Basil,
    Thanks for remembering Rangel. He’s gotten a completely free ride, and this was THE turning point.

    Curious that you think a governor – and one in a shaky position at that – has that much weight over a member of congress, especially a long-standing member like Rangel.

    Why is that?

    Spitzer would’ve never abandoned Hill, pretty sure of that…

  335. He has a slight lead at this time, but the republicans have not started to vet him and the 527’s will come soon enough….It scares me b/c McCain is so old in contrast that many will just vote for this “flash in the pan” , but god willing, Obama and his cult will be exposed before our country faces irreparable harm.

  336. meiyingsu,Why can’t an organization like “Just say no deal” take it up and challenge BO’s primary win and
    force him to produce his birth certificate?

  337. clintondem99,

    IMHO, the organization doesn’t think the birth certification is an issue. he is citizen. end of story.

  338. Just my thoughts, but I do think that the Republicans are very savvy and are looking into every and any possibility to bring Obama down. I’m pretty sure they are aware of this birth certificate issue and have judged its merit.

  339. Idunn,

    LOL…I guess I’m just a bit sensitive. Sorry about that.

    No worries. I often have to read a post several times myself before I respond, simply because of my own sensitive nature. Or because I think everything is all about me (which, of course, it is). 😉

  340. meiyinsu wrote: he is citizen. end of story.

    Yes, and John Kerry was a war hero, end of story…except we all know it wasn’t.

  341. I’m in favor of anything that distracts Bambi.

    He’s a freaking racoon! Anything shiney distracts him. 😉

  342. BHO is unelectable. but if McCain think it is easy to beat him in Nov. will be a huge mistake. BHO has money, the super ground organization, the media, and the political environment that all are favor to him. McCain needs to work hard to win.

  343. NYCMax, As the story goes it is important for people to hear again and again that BO is suppressing basic information about himself . IMHO that would really give a puse and undermine Bo’s credibility!

  344. It has been posted many times that BHO is unelectable. Are we still saying that, or is it going to be necessary that we help to make sure is not elected?

    Maybe Admin will start a new blog soon with some direction for us to take. That’s laying quite a burden on Admin, but I believe its not an unwelcomed one.

  345. one thing that is becoming more clear to me is the onslaught of the obama internet attack dogs.
    systematically every website that was pro Hillary has been invaded, identities have been stole, posts have been manufactured in others names, bogus stories are posted to divert you from the real messages, force you to chose between democratic values and the republicans, and on and on.

    One result of this fiasco is that we are now turning on ourselves, calling each other Judas’, bad mouthing our characters.

    Our sensitivities are running high and our trusts of each other is reaching it’s low point.

    This is a “classic example” of divide and conquer.

    Just days ago we were fighting like hell to have Hillary be our nominee. Now hardly a word is said of her. Looks like they are achieving their goal.

    Many have abandoned any hope of overturning the DNC rulings, fighting on to the convention.

    Many have abandoned Hillary all together because they aren’t willing to fight anymore.

    The internet slaughter is working and you have decided the fate of Hillary Clinton.

  346. Look, realistically, if Obama could steal the election from Hillary, (and the Clinton machine), McCain better be ready…Obama got a bump as he stole the nomination last week which is to be expected. The true test is whether Obama gets enough of the Clinton supporters back , even reluctantly. We here are hard core Clinton loyalist who will never vote for him, but so many others are blind to this false prophet.

  347. debbie, it seems as though many have come on this blog to steal names and etc. Early this am, Wbboei sent me a message and then Sonia repeats it with an unusual connotation at the bottom as whether I am a woman or a man, well, I never comment very often on other blogs but it seems as I am going to get the smear from sonia now!!

  348. Just saw update on historic flooding in Iowa and nearby areas. Terrible. Boy Scout camp devastated, lives lost just horrible. Iowans not really in news since caucus, nor MO or WI. Sure declared disaster areas, right? What has President Bush done? What has BHOhad to say? All states that went BHO I believe.

  349. Excellent post, Debbie. And, in large part, your thoughts are the main reason why I don’t engage in slamming other posters…OR worrying about who thinks I’m a troll or who doesn’t. It simply isn’t relevent to me, or to what I hope to accomplish here.

  350. confloyd Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    NO NO NO –CON

    WHO AM I TO SMEAR YOU ??

    YOU HAVE BEEN HERE SO LONG ??? and you are like basil and others -very dedicated ?

    wbboei Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:47 am
    Confloyd, he is a real snakeoil salesman.

    SONIA4HILLARY Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:48 am
    wbboei Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:47 am
    Confloyd, he is a real snakeoil salesman.

    no –its a she or he

    i said“`no“`

    i really don,t know if u r a guy or girl ..

    i apologize–last thing we need is to attack other —

    i know for sure that u r one of the few loyalistshere

  351. far be it from me to tell anyone how to operate their sites, but sites should be monitored around the clock. that is a dilema for many administrators because it costs money to maintain the site let alone monitor it at that level.

    I would not hesitate to say that most people on this blog are loyal Hillary supporters and their main goal is to see NObama.

    Someone said earlier (I think it was Idunn) we don’t need to stoop to the name calling of the obama attack dogs, we are not like them and to play their game gives them power.

    Each person has to decide for themselves which path they will take, it is my hope that we will all hold our values and principles up as examples when we do.

  352. Debbie,

    Well said on both your posts, Debbie. Hillary is my hero. I may not say it very much anymore and that is my fault, but I still pray that she will be 44.

  353. Debbie: your post last night was great. You are right. When I visit other sites, the trolls are out, en masse. He did hire 400 new bloggers, and they are all over the net. Divide and conquer. They are impersonating Republicans, Hillary supporters, assuming other idenities, etc.

    When I speak of distraction, I mean it for us. It takes us off our focus for Hillary.

  354. 1950–

    i sent u another e-mail today .

    but only half of the list is dome yet ,

    i will finish the rest today —

  355. sorry sonia, just did not understand your previous comment about me, that’s all!! I know you work hard for Hillary!!
    DId any one see that Obama is moving the DNC employees to Chicago, its on Politico. Apparently, they want to get away from DC where Hillary is!! Now he is truly going to take over everything! 🙁

  356. Debbie

    birdgal

    conf

    jan

    best way -you can tell if they r bots is very easy —

    just –go and google ur id –u will see most of ur posts and if someone was using ur posts on dailykos-or other obots sites

    and if u have doubt on anyone else –just try to type in thier id and google and if they r long time blogger–thier history will show up and if they r a bot –that will show up too

    I googled hallow –and i read on some sites that she was sent here as bot

    and also –u can type my name and find out all my posts ,and how dailykos was using them

  357. confloyd:

    Don’t take their bait. You’ve been a loyal consistent contributor to this site, and an ardent HRC supporter. You don’t make excuses for BHO’s followers, like many are.

    You didn’dt disappear for several months, either.

    These “loyal” HRC supporters – who come (and go hide…hmmm…like we don’t know where they are) then come in like the are the be all and end all…don’t deserve to be fiven the time of day.

    Ignore them. Notice their opinions are to upset and keep this site in turmoil. They’re not satisfied to just support the advancement of HRC – they want to keep everyone stirred up. Just ignore them. Maybe they’ll leave again. Pull another “Houdini” while they play both sides of this.

  358. confloyd Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    sorry sonia, just did

    No -No ,,no need to be sorry ,

    we here did not start with good words b/c of my harsh words and typos in the beginning ,so i understand we can easily doubt each other .

    But –pls type ur name and google and you will see –how obamabots are looking for ur pics and bio,and u will know who??

  359. Looks like things are not going as planned in Obamaville…

    Obama launches Web site to fight rumors

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has launched a Web site to dispel rumors about his faith and patriotism and his wife’s views on race that have dogged his candidacy for more than a year.

    The Web site, at http://www.fightthesmears.com, offers detailed responses to several rumors that have continued to circulate online and in conservative news outlets despite efforts to knock them down, and encourages supporters to e-mail those responses to others.

    The Web site says the Illinois senator’s wife, Michelle, who like her husband is black, has never used the racially divisive term “whitey,” as some blogs and conservative commentators have said.

    Michelle has never spoken publicly at either of the two venues where she is alleged to have made the remark, the site says.

    The site also tackles false rumors that Obama, who will take on Republican John McCain in the November election, is Muslim.

    “Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian,” the site says.

    A photograph shows Obama with his hand on a Bible as he is sworn into the U.S. Senate, to counter a rumor that he used a Koran when he was sworn in.

    A CNN profile of the Indonesian school he attended as a child is used to dispel a rumor that it teaches radical Islamic tenets.

    The site also puts in context passages from Obama’s books that have been excerpted as supposed evidence of his racial resentments, and contains a video of him leading the Pledge of Allegiance to dispel a rumor that he refuses to do so.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1233299720080612?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10112&sp=true

    I can just hear Michelle now… “Damn Barack, we not in Kansas no more”

  360. from the quoted excerpt from the Obama campaign above: Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian

    Since they’re dealling with “has never been” and “wasn’t raised” isn’t the logical follow up question: “What was he before he found Christianity at age 26? From what faith did he convert?”

  361. 1950-

    thx for ur e-blessings (u like this new term)

    u know how they have e-tickets,e-shope,

    u gave me e-blessings ,,lol

  362. conf–

    did u google??

    if u did not find much –let me know .

    i will e-mail it to 1950dem and u can get it from 1950.

  363. NYCMax wrote:

    Since they’re dealling with “has never been” and “wasn’t raised” isn’t the logical follow up question: “What was he before he found Christianity at age 26? From what faith did he convert?”
    ———–

    Exactly. Was he agnostic? Atheist? And of all the religions to choose to join, why did he join a black liberation church, that advocates racist principles?

  364. Here is a small part of a piece I am writing to describe how we got here and an action plan on where we must go next to support Hillary. I post it here and now to provide further support for what Admin is saying, and to rebut the polite meaningless words you are hearing now from our enemies. The Iron Triangle is a term used to describe big media, the dnc and the Ted Kennedy cabal, whose motivations are also discussed. The word diaspora comes from our beloved admin.

    The Iron Triangle has put this country through one of the darkest chapters in our political history this past primary season. Hillary supporters watched in vain as major networks like MSNBC, CNN and NBC savaged their champion night after night -exaggerating any misstep, ascribing evil motives when she tried to define the differences and defend herself against attacks. They took their marching orders from her opponent’s campaign and protected her him, censored his many gaffs, and minimized his troubling associations. They threw garlands at him at every opportunity. So blatant and absurd was their partisanship that Saturday Night Live produced two skits to expose and ridicule it. True to form, her opponent responded with a veiled threat and they stopped. He hired and unleashed upon Hillary and her supporters a paid army of bloggers who attacked her over the internet in the most uncouth and disparaging terms possible. No major candidate in history has been treated in such a disparaging manner. Yet no one in the political arena had the courage to stand up for her and call the game on them. Well, they now have the presumptive nominee they wanted. They also have exposure over how Senator Clinton was treated and whither goeth the party. And, they have a Democratic Diaspora which may yet produce the unity sought by the DNC through the logic of Gresham’s Law-the bad money drives out the good.

  365. anybody hear from DJIA?

    isnt she from iowa?
    lot of crap happening there.
    broken damn, flooding, tornadoes, evacuations ect…

    hope you and family are in good safe place, djia…

  366. carbynew Says:
    Look people the REPUBLICANS don’t have to do the DEMOCRATS any favors,
    ===============================

    They’re not going to help Hillary get the nominatin, either. They’re beign nice to us but before the convention they won’t release any evidence of how many of us are comign over. We’ll have to document this ourselves.

    And sending stuff to the DNC won’t help, they won’t release it either.

    To demonstarte how many of us are serious, we need to do additional things like signing up for groups with clear names like “Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain” or “Clintons4McCain.”. Or buying ‘gear’ with clear slogans on it.

    Btw, if people want to send gimmicky packages (like cans or shoes) better send them to some outsider like Leno or Letterman — the DNC will never admit it.

  367. Second member of Obama’s VP search team now under heavy fire — from WaPo:

    ——-
    Barack Obama
    Next on the GOP List: Eric Holder

    Updated 11:40 p.m.
    By Jonathan Weisman
    Like sharks sensing blood in the water, conservatives who helped press the case against James A. Johnson, formerly the head of Barack Obama’s vice presidential vetting committee, are bearing down on their next target: former deputy attorney general Eric Holder.

    Holder, one of two remaining members of Obama’s vice presidential search committee, was always expected to be a lightning rod. As Bill Clinton’s deputy attorney general, he was the gatekeeper for presidential pardons. Most famously, he waved through the pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich in the waning days of the Clinton White House. But Republicans — through the Republican National Committee, conservative media outlets like the Wall Street Journal editorial page and aggressive freelance operators — are spreading their net wider. One target of opportunity: Clinton’s pardon of 16 Puerto Rican nationalists (or terrorists, depending on your perspective) linked to the FALN, the Spanish acronym for the Armed Forces of National Liberation.

    “Will Obama Vet Holder?” goaded the RNC this morning.

    “Eric Holder (Covington & Burling) is defending UBS Financial Services in a discriminatory employment practices matter against African Americans,” an e-mailed missive from a freelancer warned this morning, not mentioning Phil Gramm, a senior executive at UBS and top John McCain adviser.

  368. OKAY I’M SORRY, I’M CONFUSED…
    WHY DID I GET THIS EMAIL?
    *****************************************

    Dear Clinton Dem,

    As you probably know, Hillary still has her delegates and she will be taking them to the convention. Hillary has suspended her campaign, but she has not conceded. We realize that the DNC appears to be pushing Obama as their nominee, but know this — we are still “in it to win it”.

    The role of the superdelegates is to use their independent judgment to select the candidate that has the greatest chance of winning in the fall and will make the best commander-in-chief. The owe us a duty to consider the will of the people in consideration.

    Clinton Democrats are a lot like Hillary. We are strong minded, hardworking, caring and forthright people that believe in the the basic equality of all human beings — including women. We have principals and values that are core to the American way — and we believe that democracy is embodied by the phrase “one person, one vote”.

    Hillary has fought her whole life for civil rights and has always been a voice for the voiceless. The biggest shame of this primary season is that too few have stood up for her.

    Do not stop fighting. Do not give up on her, because she hasn’t given up on us. Do whatever little thing you can each day between now and the convention to show the country that you “have her back”.

    Pam Hamilton
    Clinton Democrats
    *****************************************************

    ARE WE STILL ON?
    I THOUGHT SHE SAID VOTE OBAMA?
    (which i wont ofcourse, but i thought she said it.)

  369. It’s fascinating to watch the way the Republicans are attacking Obama. Every angle that we predicted they would use, over the last year, is proving to be true. Their first order of business? Demonstrate that Obama is just another politician, no different from any of the rest of them. And by shining the spotlight on the resumes of all his advisers and campaign operatives, they’re proving that he’s just a stuffed suit with a nice smile.

  370. basil9 Says:
    Broder has a decent article about HRC today (too little, too late, of course) but he pointed out that “….with Ted Kennedy’s illness she will have no rival as the most influential Democrat on Capitol Hill.”
    —————————————————-

    Another reason for the bad guys to tie her up as VP.

  371. Washington Post op-ed piece, criticizing Obama’s VP search fiasco:

    —–
    The Unvetted Vetter

    By Jim Hoagland
    Thursday, June 12, 2008; A23

    Say this for Sen. Barack Obama: He is a lot quicker in these post-Jeremiah Wright days to walk away from controversy caused him by others. By the time he finished distancing himself from Jim Johnson, his former vice presidential vetter, Johnson must have felt like he was on Mars.

    After Johnson was portrayed in the Wall Street Journal as having received favorable treatment from Countrywide Financial Corp., a mortgage company Obama has frequently attacked, the Democratic presidential candidate immediately labeled Johnson as being only “tangentially related to our campaign.”

    Shifting into overdrive, Obama added that “these aren’t folks who are working for me,” referring to Johnson and his two associates on the vice presidential vetting team, Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder.

    It was enough to make you wonder if the three had somehow broken into Obama’s office, stolen his letterhead stationery and appointed themselves to interview the capital’s good and great about who should join Obama on the Democratic ticket.

    But that was not all. “First of all, I am not vetting my VP search committee for their mortgages. . . . I would have to hire the vetter to vet the vetters.” He was equally dismissive of questions about Holder’s role in Bill Clinton’s 2001 pardon of financier Marc Rich.

    Johnson got the message and yesterday announced his resignation from what I guess had become his non-job.

    None of this had anything to do with Obama himself, the candidate argued forcefully. And at one level, he is absolutely right. This so far is only a media scandal, not a matter of law-breaking or obvious moral depravity.

    Political capitals have distinctive flavors of media scandal. London periodically seizes on the drama of the seemingly happily married Cabinet secretary who is abruptly outed in the press by a hooker or a gay lover for profit or spite. Paris savors secret bank accounts in Luxembourg or Tokyo that somehow bring politicians and intelligence services together.

    The current Washington media scandal usually involves an unseemly event or difficult-to-explain situation that lands its perpetrator in bubbling hot water for a while but is never clearly resolved. Scandal in Washington is something that allows us to talk about others maliciously while maintaining a clear conscience.

    Or — if the subject is Bush & Co. — a sense of refreshed scandal allows us to state with new vigor the moral superiority and disdain we already feel and have stated over and over. That was the case with Johnson’s immediate predecessor in the hot media bubble bath, Scott McClellan, the bumbling ex-press secretary for the Bush White House. McClellan’s wide-eyed discovery via a best-selling memoir that he had been used for propaganda purposes by his bosses unleashed the armies of rehash and retribution.

    Even if you like and admire the subject — as many in Washington do with Johnson — a certain schadenfreude settles over the policy community when the headlines singe but do not destroy a career.

    The flap over Johnson’s mortgages immediately revived investigative reporters’ interest in his having served “on the board of five companies that granted lavish pay packages to their executives — and often playing a key role in approving them,” as the New York Times delicately put it in what appeared to be a warm-up pitch for additional digging.

    It also brought new scrutiny to the curious decision by Obama to name Johnson to the job in the first place, given the candidate’s fierce vows to transform Washington’s insider culture and ways.

    Johnson is a consummate political insider who, among other things, vetted vice presidential possibilities for John Kerry and played a key role in helping Walter Mondale settle on Geraldine Ferraro back in 1984 — without, Johnson later told friends with impressive self-deprecating humor, ever imagining that her husband’s business dealings could prove controversial in the campaign.

    But what is important here is what this incident says about Obama, not about Johnson. The senator’s initial reaction was to portray himself as too busy to keep up with the obscure financial doings of people who are not significant to the campaign and to belittle the media for asking him to “vet the vetters.”

    To treat Johnson, Holder and Kennedy suddenly as mere fact-checkers is as disingenuous as it is ungracious. Obama is clearly the most intelligent candidate of either party since Bill Clinton. But he can outsmart himself if he goes on expecting the media and the public to accept just about any explanation he gives.

    Yes, he can.

  372. skmf12,

    Hillary suspended her campaign, not ended her campaign. She had to say vote Obama or she would have been raked over the coals.

    There is a large movement to take this to the convention and fight. You can fight or not it is your choice.

    Personally, I haven’t come this far to throw in the towel just yet, thats exactly what BHO and Dean wants.

  373. From the New York Times… more on Obama’s VP blunders

    ——–
    The Early Word: A Setback for Obama

    By Michael Falcone
    New York Times

    The resignation of Senator Barack Obama’s top vice presidential vetter, James A. Johnson, whose businesses dealings had been called into question by the media and the opposing campaign, poses two sticky problems for the presumptive Democratic nominee.

    First, according to The Times’s John Broder and Leslie Wayne, Mr. Johnson’s departure “deprives Mr. Obama of decades of experience and access to Washington’s power elite.” And second, it “highlights the difficulties for Mr. Obama’s campaign in trying to live up to his promises to remain independent of the Washington establishment and the special interests that populate it.”

    The Republican National Committee, not satisfied with one resignation, is now pushing out release after release about the background of another search-team member, Eric Holder, the former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration. The R.N.C. is linking him to the former president’s controversial pardons at the end of his second term.

    While the tempest over Mr. Johnson, who had been tapped to head the campaign’s vice presidential search committee (a role he also played for Senator John Kerry in 2004), may soon blow over, Mr. Obama’s campaign may be facing a host of other challenges.

    Some centrist Democratic members of Congress appear to be lukewarm about Mr. Obama’s candidacy, Politico’s Ryan Grim reports.

    Mr. Obama is also drawing criticism from labor leaders over his choice of a top economic policy aide, Jason Furman, who some in the labor community say would be too friendly toward corporations. Mr. Furman, who was allied with the Clinton campaign, has ties to President Bill Clinton’s former Treasury secretary, Robert E. Rubin.

    The Washington Post looks at efforts by both Mr. Obama and the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain, to reel in women voters, a group that is largely up for grabs after Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton left the race. The McCain campaign is dispatching former Hewlett-Packard C.E.O. Carly Fiorina on a “female-focused speaking tour” of two battleground states, Ohio and Pennsylvania:

    Fiorina, who has campaigned for McCain for months and now serves as the Republican National Committee’s Victory chair, said that while Republicans have not always won women as a bloc, the campaign has “a level playing field to work with” because “there are Democratic women who are very upset with the way the Democratic primary went.”

    But the Obama campaign and its allies are already courting Clinton’s supporters with phone calls and behind-the-scenes negotiations on staffing and say they are confident that even Democratic women who have expressed anger about the outcome of the primaries would support Obama in the fall because of the Democratic Party’s stance on domestic issues.

    In addition to trying to win over some of Mrs. Clinton’s female supporters, the Obama campaign has trying to court some of her largest contributors as well. But the Times’s Michael Luo reports that Obama aides are running into some roadblocks:

    While it appears that many Clinton backers are poised to begin immediately raising money for Mr. Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee, several categorically ruled that out in interviews. Others said they drew the line at collecting cash for the Democratic National Committee, whose chairman, Howard Dean, angered many Clinton donors over how he handled the dispute over whether to seat convention delegates from Florida and Michigan.

    “The Obama campaign has a lot to show me before I will consider being there for them,” said Susie Tompkins Buell, co-founder of the clothing company Esprit and a longtime friend of Mrs. Clinton.

    Even as Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain talk up their economic proposals to voters on the trail this week, the two campaigns spent most of Wednesday in a shouting match over Iraq policy. The tussle stemmed from remarks that Senator McCain made that critics asserted seemed to play down the importance of bringing troops home from Iraq, writes The Times’s Kate Zernike. The McCain campaign said his remarks were taken out of context, that what the candidate was trying to emphasize was the importance of reducing war casualties.

  374. The Obama “rumors” website, being followed by Senator Durbin saying that anyone who attacks Michelle Obama deserves a special place in hell. No hypocrites in the Democratic party! lol!

    They are on the offensive and doing damage control ahead of time. My opinion is that there must be something to the “whitey” story to set up this attempt of a firewall ahead of the convention. They are trying to peak the story far enough ahead of the convention so it won’t have legs afterward. They are really having hissy fits over the sweet little Michelle. Let’s just hope the Repubs release it at the most opportune time…as they usually do. Right after the convention would be good while they’re distracted with the final phase of the campaign. Can’t afford to have these people in the White House.

  375. Obama Takes Over DNC
    “In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago to be fully integrated with the Obama campaign,” according to Politico.

    “The DNC’s political department, housed in Washington, D.C., will be dramatically rebuilt, with staffers offered a choice of moving to Chicago, joining state operations, or staying in Washington… But with the power will clearly be shifting to a centralized Chicago hub.”

    “The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party that isn’t always known for its unity.”

  376. debbie Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    skmf12,

    Hillary suspended her campaign, not ended her campaign. She had to say vote Obama or she would have been raked over the coals.

    There is a large movement to take this to the convention and fight. You can fight or not it is your choice.

    Personally, I haven’t come this far to throw in the towel just yet, thats exactly what BHO and Dean wants.

    =======================================

    It’s not an either/or! Hillary doesn’t have to ‘carry to the convention.’ Whatever she does, someone will nominate her at the convention, and the delegates will get a chance to vote (unless Dean and Pelosi prevent that, which is another situation).

    But Hillary is lying low out of the line of fire, and our best strategy to help her in August is to demonswtrate that we are really working to defeat Obama in November. That will be more evidence to show the convention that he is unelectable!

  377. Oh dear, the chicago dirty politics machine is taking over the party and country. Thats enough to scare the shit out of everyone.

  378. fox will broadcast live 7 tonight i think-
    McCain Gets This Stage All to Himself

    By Elizabeth Holmes, Wall Street Journal
    June 12, 2008

    Article Excerpt:

    John McCain is forging ahead with the first town hall meeting he planned to hold with Barack Obama, even though his Democratic opponent has no plans to show up.

    The unofficial Republican nominee will be at Federal Hall in New York Thursday evening to talk to voters. He originally proposed the event last week, suggesting it be the first of 10 town hall meetings with Obama. His pitch: the competitors could discuss their differences civilly and answer questions from the audience.

    “I believe they should be people who are selected randomly, who come and enjoy the oldest form of democracy in America, and let them tell us what’s on their minds and let each of us make a response,” McCain said in Baton Rouge, La., on June 3, the same day he sent a letter to Obama proposing the idea.

    McCain repeatedly called for these meetings, even suggesting that the candidates travel to the event together. “I promise not to try to fly the plane,” McCain quipped at several campaign events. . . .

    UPDATE: After a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., McCain renewed the offer to Obama: “He’s not gonna be there tonight. I understand that maybe that he couldn’t do it. But I want Sen. Obama to accept my invitation. I’ll fly around the country with him. I’ll reserve one day a week.”

  379. I googled my name many months ago, I know exactly what they say about me and you know what I could care less. Anyone that would vote for BO has extremely bad intuition and should not even be allowed a voter registration. He is and will be a menace to the country. My only hope is that the nasty republicans will knock him so far down in politics he will not even be able to hold his senate seat.
    You see there is something very senister about this man, anyone who would attach himself to these characters as looks the whole democratic leadership has done should not be allowed to run this country. No how can I explain this any clearer!! I personally believe he at the very least part of a movement to destroy the U S as we know it. If you don’t believe me read all about the illuminati, the combine and see they are all in this together!!

  380. Anyone live in Denver? I see the hotels are booked. Can someone let me know of hotels outside of Denver in the Suburbs

  381. confloyd Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    i agree .

    Obama is very cunningly,dangerously ambitious guy .

    i read somehwre since his 3rd grade ,he wanted to be a president of USA,

    WHAT THE hell happened to larry,s story ..

    WAS he a fake or MSM is keeping him underground?

  382. I understand —SEAN talks about obama ..we like it when he exposes something about him ,,

    But do not –do not –let him say negative shitt about hillary —

    i was listening to him yesterday ,and he can be very sarcastically negative to hillARY —-
    and i did not like that ..

    so i was hoping if here ——-all of us –can share stories and start writing letters to news media and correct them whenevr they try bashing hillary .

    we can send them “`thank you “ letters for good reporting `or “`apologize““letters if they are smearing clintons .

  383. NYCMax Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    That said, I don’t see where even being a distraction is necessarily a bad thing.

    Exactly.

    The feint is one of the most important aspects of tactics: You make your opponent expend resources (like setting up websites to defend himself) even if you aren’t going to follow through with an attack or if the attack isn’t going to hold up. It’s like the Battle of Thermopylae (from the movie “300”) — no one thought that the 300 were going to win, but that wasn’t the point. The point was to hang up the Persian Empire forces while the Athenians set up for the naval battle to come. And it worked. That is, the Persian Empire got ‘distracted’ by the 300.

    We — those who want to stop Bambi — don’t need to be distracted with tracking down all the particulars of the case law or Bambi’s passport, etc. But by raising the issue, we force HIM to have to deal with it. That is why you go about these things. And he is worried about it, obviously, as those links I put up early this morning show.

    As I said to Sonia, a good general never gives away any options that he or she doesn’t have to. If Bambi’s citizenship/eligibility to run for POTUS can be used against him, use it. By saying it is a mere ‘distraction,’ you are making things easier for him.

    That’s not something I’m getting on board with.

    *

    As I said the other night, there are account ‘phishers’ (those who break into others’ accounts and post messages under their names, steal their info, etc) all over the place right now who are Bambians. Someone is trying to do this to me on MySpace right now. Did this happen to linfar? I don’t know. But there is a spirited campaign by the Bambian astroturfers and the Bambians, generally, to phish accounts right now. As I said, change your passwords frequently. This is an excellent way to avoid being phished or to end someone who has phished your account from being able to do any more damage.

    *

    I think Berkeley said that the GOP is attacking just where we all said they would. They sure are, and we can continue to help them find and exploit Bambi’s fault lines. Again, that is why I have been working in concert with various of their arms to achieve our mutual aim: Stop Bambi.

    We have the research we’ve been doing for months, they have the $$$ and the megaphone. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    *

    The new Obama site:

    This is exactly what we want: Bambi on the defensive and having to potentially lie to try to defend himself. Guess what? When the “Whitey” tape comes out and dude has to say “It’s not ‘Whitey,’ it’s ‘Why’d he,’ he’s going to look like even more of an ass than he does now.

    And that’s why you press and ‘distract’ your opponent. It’s like running a press defense in basketball. The more pressure you put on a fragile entity like Obama, the more it is likely to make mistakes or over-react, as in the case of VP guy Johnson.

    Everything — and I mean every last, seemingly insignificant thing — has to be on the table to beat this guy (only legally defensible options, of course). We are fighting the worst elements of the corrupt Chicago political scene. They are race-baiters without any conscience and they have the MSM on their side. We have to use what is available to us, all of it.

    If that means that legalese discussions of Hawaii being a kingdom and not a state are brought up, so be it. It only puts more doubt into the minds of the electorate about the illegitimacy of the illegitimate nominee.

    *

    Oh, and Bambi was a Muslim. Daniel Pipes has been over this before:

    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286
    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

    A Muslim is someone who practices Islam. If you don’t believe me, just go look at the definition at PBS:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

    Obama has, IRREFUTABLY, practices the Muslim faith at various times of his life. Moreover, his father (and stepfather) was Muslim. According to Islamic Law, if your father is a Muslim then you, the child, are a Muslim.

    Obama was Muslim. He chose to renounce that faith, so he says.

    Which brings up another problem. That is, what does Islamic Law say about male adult apostates (people who turn away from the faith)?

    It says this:

    http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

    The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh’hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.

    Guess where that would leave Bambi?

    Why do people think organizations like Hamas and figures like Ahmadinejad are so DAMN eager to see this guy win?

    Because they have him by the balls, that’s why. And though him, they have AMERICA by the balls if Bambi is elected as President.

    It’s like this: If Bambi doesn’t do as they want, they can raise the whole ‘apostate’ card. Or they can play to the shared faith in Bambi’s background. Or they can see Bambi as still being a Muslim, which is how he is looked at in parts of the Muslim world.

    None of this is complicated. You will hear (and read, like the website) all manner of defenses and justifications for why Bambi is not and was not Muslim, etc. And they’re all crap which will be properly removed with 30 second spots like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbsihrdn-_s

    All we need to do is to continue to define Bambi as he is being — justly — defined. He is a former Muslim. He is anti-American. He does have terrorist friends. He does have the support of terrorists throughout the world for his White House bid. He was weaned with anti-American and Communist mentors. He did choose an African-centered church and pastor. He is sympathetic to people like Khalidi and their arguments. He is married to another anti-American who wrote a segregationist-favorable thesis at Princeton (a thesis the campaign is desperately trying to keep under wraps until the election is over) and who is making absurd statements like “For the first time in my adult lifetime…I’m proud of my country” even though her family made $4.2 million last year and she has two Ivy League degrees.

    All of this is true and verifiable. And all we have to do is make sure the public knows it. If that is accomplished, Bambi loses in November. And the Bambians know it, which is why they started this new site.

    If your opponent is staring new sites to defend himself, you’re winning.

    Let’s just keep on winning. And before we know it, Bambi and his fake Disney eyelashes will be gone from our purview forever in 5+ short months.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  384. 1950,

    I agree with your summation, and you said it more clearly than I. It is worth repeating again and again on this blog and eveywhere….so that everyone knows…. including the DNC, superdelegates, media etc. we will not elect BHO.

    The tactics used differ from group to group, I would like to see a more unified approach to ensure the maximum effect.

  385. Oh, and as far as Bambi ‘taking over’ the DNC?

    Who cares? One loser running a loser organization. They deserve each other.

    Did John Kerry ‘take over’ the DNC in 2004? Did he continue his ‘takeover’ after he was swiftboated and lost the election?

    Ha ha ha.

    More propaganda designed to lure fools in. This is babble, and little else, from the Bambians desperate to change the subject from the Johnson/Countrywide fiasco.

    We’re winning. I hope McCain kicks ass tonight on Fox.

  386. I wonder where some of these bots are from??? They have added more stuff on the net, most was taken from the DNC blog. I guess the DNC party builder blog is not secure. They can get your personal information off from it. Heck, the DNC is probably got those bloggers working in the basement of the DNC!!!

    Yes, I am worried about Djia, very bad weather last night in Iowa!!!

  387. Paul, when I was referring to distraction, I was talking about us. Are we being distracted by this, instead, of expending our energies in other areas? Your analysis was spot on.

  388. Oh, I hadn’t realized they are from the UK, well that just answers my question about who they are!! They are Arab, just as I thought!! Right Birdgal!!!

  389. Did everyone hear about this
    Project: Green Rain For MCcain
    hcsfjm.com/grfm.html

    On 7-4-08 at least 1 million Hillary Clinton supporters are to send John MCcain $5.44 trying to set a new one day record and relying on MCcains people to relay this effort to the press to send the DNC a signal.

  390. birdgal, I work with an Arab doctor, he is ever bit as interested in this election as I am. He predicted Hillary’s concession speech to a tee. Only he thought it would be a concession and not a suspension! Obama is hooked up with the Arabs!

  391. con: On the mcCain blog, there is a poster: debbie from the UK, who is very obnoxious. she was there a few days ago. I don’t go over there much, but I did notice her.

  392. Is there anyone here from Denver. Need to get a Hotel room. All the rooms in Denver are booked. Is there a hotel in the suburbs that’s close to the convention center

  393. Party unity, my ass! From Politico:

    ————-
    Some Hill Dems won’t endorse Obama
    By: Ryan Grim
    June 12, 2008 12:35 PM EST

    The presidential race may be topic A, B and C in Washington these days, but some people are just too busy to think about it — particularly, it seems, centrist Democrats from conservative districts, who aren’t exactly eager to align themselves with Sen. Barack Obama.

    Rep. Travis Childers, elected just weeks ago in a Mississippi special election, hasn’t endorsed anyone in the presidential race yet. “We have had our head down at work, trying to get our feet on the ground up here,” said Childers’ chief of staff, Brad Morris. “The presidential politics just has not been on our mind.”

    Rep. Heath Shuler, a freshman Democrat from right-leaning North Carolina, has also been too busy to endorse. After Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton carried his district in the North Carolina primary, Shuler said he would cast his superdelegate vote for her at the Democratic convention.

    Now that Clinton is out of the race? “We’ve gone back to his work up there in the House,” said Shuler spokesman Andrew Whalen. “We’re not really too focused on the presidential [race].”

    Centrist Democrats aren’t the only ones cautious about embracing their party’s presumptive nominee. Neither Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) nor Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has endorsed Sen. John McCain, and a lot of GOP members will spend the fall trying to put distance between themselves and President Bush.

    But with the media focused for a moment on Democratic defections — Rep. Dan Boren, a Democrat from a conservative Oklahoma district, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he won’t be endorsing Obama — the GOP is enjoying the show.

    National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Ken Spain said that Democrats who don’t endorse Obama “wrongly believe that by disassociating themselves from Obama that they can escape any criticism or comparison in terms of their liberal positions on issues like their shared support for government-run health care and massive tax hikes.”

    The NRCC identified five such Democrats in a statement distributed Tuesday.

    One of them, Kansas Rep. Nancy Boyda, has since decided to endorse Obama. Another, Ohio Rep. Charlie Wilson, had done so a few days before the statement went out — which is to say, only after Clinton announced that she was suspending her campaign.

    Responding to the news of Boren’s non-endorsement, Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor noted in an e-mail that “Obama has a long history of working across the aisle to get things done and … he’s worked with some of the most conservative members — including Congressman Boren’s Republican colleague from Oklahoma, [Sen.] Tom Coburn.”

    “Obviously this primary process was long and highly competitive, but we’re confident that the party will come together to beat John McCain,” he added.

    But Boren isn’t the only congressional Democrat who won’t be endorsing Obama.

    A spokesman for Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.) told Politico on Thursday that Mahoney will remain neutral. So will Rep. Jim Marshall, a Democrat in a conservative Georgia district. Marshall didn’t endorse Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) in 2004, and he won’t endorse anyone this year, either. “Jim, as a rule, doesn’t get involved in other people’s campaigns,” said spokesman Doug Moore.

    Louisiana Democratic Rep. Charlie Melancon has yet to endorse Obama. Until Thursday, neither had newly elected Louisiana Rep. Don Cazayoux. “Since coming to office, it has been Rep. Cazayoux’s position to let the presidential primary process play out, which it has,” said Cazayoux spokesman Lewis Lowe. “Now that Sen. Obama is the presumptive nominee, Rep. Cazayoux looks forward to working with him to improve the economy and increase access to quality health care for all Americans.”

    Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.), a longtime Obama backer, said that he harbors no ill will for Democrats who stay on the sidelines.

    “People’s responsibility, first and foremost, is to get reelected,” Davis said.

    “I defer to any member’s judgment on what they need to do,” he added. “They’re all loyal Democrats who vote with Democrats on a range of issues.”

  394. OBAMA–“I am running a clean campaign, high on hope and free of negative attacks.”

    EVIDENCE – Senator Obama’s campaign has launched over 206 media attacks on Senator Clinton alone. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3,

    COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama has run a fair and positive campaign.

    REBUTTAL – Senator Obama continues to launch negative attacks against his opponents while claiming he is merely defending himself. Attacktimeline.com has amassed, with dates and quotes, over 200 media attacks from Senator Obama’s campaign, many of which are first-strike, pre-emptive negative messages and policy distortions. He continues using phone and mailing campaigns that are both negative and factually inaccurate. We guess Hope doesn’t spring eternal.

    VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

  395. OBAMA– “Rev. Meeks is not involved in my campaign.”

    EVIDENCE – Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for the Senator’s Senate Campaign, and continues to raise money for him during his Presidential run. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

    COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama is running for office, not Reverend Meeks.

    REBUTTAL – Reverend James Meeks is another of Senator Obama’s ‘Spiritual Counselors’. The Reverend is known, like Rev. Wright, for tearing up the pulpit, with anti-White and anti-Gay rhetoric. Rev. Meeks invited Senator Obama to campaign at his church, has appeared in commercials for him in Illinois, and will be one of Senator Obama’s 2008 Delegates at the Denver Convention. One can reasonably conclude that James Meeks is involved in Senator Obama’s campaign.

    VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

    * * *

  396. OBAMA-“Senator Clinton was a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart. I would not associate myself with Wal-Mart.

    EVIDENCE – Senator Obama’s wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars in compensation from Wal-Mart supplier Treehouse. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

    COUNTER CLAIM – Senator Obama’s wife is not running for President.

    REBUTTAL – True, Senator Obama’s wife is not running for President, but it does show the Senator’s willingness to misrepresent himself, his family, and their income sources in order to hide associations that prove unsavory or contradictory to public stances. Such willingness to misrepresent the facts shows one’s lack of character and trustworthiness.

    VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

  397. Looks like Tony Rezko is hollaring that he is being pressured by Fitsgerald to finger Obama and/or Blogjevich. He was out of the jail just long enough to help the Obama campaign with a new scheme to minimize the Rezko trial. Good try Axelrod, I don’t think anyone believes that Tony is getting squizzed by Fitzgerald.

    I tell you he has a huge machine trying to get him in. Rezko knows that once Obama is POTUS, he will be given a pardon on Bambi’s leaving the WhiteHouse! That’s what I call crossing all the T’s and dotting all the I’s!! LOL!! I was wondering why ole Tony wanted to go straight to lock-up considering he has children. He wanted to get that letter out about be squizzed by Fitsgerald!!

  398. meiyingsu Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Obama Takes Over DNC
    “In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago

    …great, there goes the meglomanic Obama with complete control, who stifiles dissent, into the corrupt cesspool of Chicago politics…from bad to worse…from corrupt to sleazy…

    next we will hear that he has moved the Democratic convention to Chicago to make it easier for him…

    …this is pathetic…

  399. 1950, and deb,

    okay, thank you. now i get it…
    so hillary is not leading her own fight to take it to the convention
    floor.
    rather, her delegates are going to try and do it for her, okay than.
    well good, although, i guess thats an uphill battle, unless we can
    tarnish obama so bad before august…

    well i am all for that, i just think the superdelegates, are all
    spinless f*cks. i cant see them doing the right thing…
    THEY HAVE NO CONCIENCE…

    but i am still voting mccain in the mean time k?

  400. S,

    i was just getting ready to post that. this is unbelievable. The Washington staffers are being given a choice of relocating or resigning.

    Hasn’t the DNC ALWAYS been located in Washignton???????? how can they be relocated BEFORE he’s elected prez??????????

    WTF is going on???????

  401. birdgal — Thanks. I wasn’t trying to be rude to anyone so I’m sorry if it came off that way.

    We don’t have to be distracted by anything with Bambi. We can simply raise the issues and let him have to deal with them. Let him do the work.

  402. birdgal, I would not be a bit surprised that they would move the convention to Chicago. They could control the protests much better that way. I am sure lots of women would be more afraid to protest in Chicago, obviously!!

  403. Afternoon all!

    I was just reading upthread and this line, in particular, stood out in the article on endorse/NOendorse

    “Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.), a longtime Obama backer, said that he harbors no ill will for Democrats who stay on the sidelines.

    “People’s responsibility, first and foremost, is to get reelected,” Davis said. ”
    *******************************************

    Oh REAAAEEEEEELY? Seems to me ‘people’s’ responsibility, first and foremost, should be to do the JOB they were ELECTED to do!

  404. I don’t know what is happening to our party, but it looks pretty much like a civil war going on!!!! Moving the DNC to Chicago where all the elite terrorists live along side of the black liberation theologians, what more could be ask for!!

  405. A comment from LJ’s that makes one go hmmm and if true, among many questions, I want to know why BO holds his awful father in such his regard?

    “Well, no. Obama is a citizen by right of his mother’s citizenship.

    But what the trolls won’t tell you is that at the time of her marriage to Obama’s father, his mother DID NOT KNOW that he was already married to an African woman in Kenya, with other children. Obama’s father didn’t tell her that.

    By US law, her marriage to Obama’s father was not legal, since it was basically, bigamy.

    THAT is why Obama’s mother divorced his Dad when he was 2, but she didn’t tell him that so he could think positively about his own father.

    Obama didn’t find that out until he in his 20’s, after his Dad had already died and he visited Kenya. He found his Dad was NOT some great idealistic leader, but simply an unemployed alcoholic who died in a car wreck (his own fault…drunk) with 4 wives and multiple children left behind.

  406. basil9 Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
    S,

    i was just getting ready to post that. this is unbelievable. The Washington staffers are being given a choice of relocating or resigning.

    Hasn’t the DNC ALWAYS been located in Washignton???????? how can they be relocated BEFORE he’s elected prez??????????

    WTF is going on???????
    *****************************************************
    The radicals are taking over the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and the current DNC LEADERSHIP thinks the American public is TOO stupid NOT to vote for the REPUBLICANS.

    If the DNC moves to CHICAGO then the NOI and THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY, THE WEATHERMEN GRP and other radicals are trying to lock out all opposition to their take over.

    That’s why you keep CHURCH and STATE separated and out of the hands of politicians. Well it pain to see this development beause that means all those AA church groups with large multi ethnic congregations…like T.D.Jakes and others will be losing their church base because when more non-whites see how little repect the truly have of ALL christians with their siding with the Black Nationalist and other Violent groups in Obama association.

    Then people will question their judgement too.

  407. “Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.), a longtime Obama backer, said that he harbors no ill will for Democrats who stay on the sidelines.

    *****************************************************
    Democrats should NOT stay on the sidelines…they should VOTE REPUBLICANS and get rid off all these ANTI-AMERICANS. This is what happens when you don’t fight BULLY, they have no respect for you and will continue to fight back.

    That’s why Obambi can’t be trusted…he is not about American Values but Communist and Marxist manifestos all over his website with the indocrination of children and they weak parents. New Black Panther Party HATES WHITE FOLKS and BLACK SELLOUTS…and I don’t think we have time to waste.

    This IS a coop and it will get worse before getting better…these guys and fanatics and have long term agenda. This is NOT your typical American politics…this is serious and this is WAR.

    Howard Dean/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid made a deal with the devil thinking they could control him but like we found out with GWB once you are president….you are president and Obama is a liar and his word doesn’t mean anything.

    Remember those who thought Chavez would not go there…and look what is happening in Venezuela.

  408. birdgal, Have you read about the meeting between Obama and Hillary? Well does everyone know that the Bilderburg group also was meeting secretly in a nearby area. I wonder how many people realize that this group of rich, rich people seems to meet the potential president just before the nomination is secured. There is some suspicion that they have always picked the Presidents and there is proof that they have met with everyone of them just before they clinched the nomination!

    Well, we all know that this year Hillary and Obama were tied, and before the meeting between the two at Feinstein house, Hillary was set to take it to the Convention, now we are not sure!!

    I also want to point out how really weak Obama is, he changes his positions on everything as the wind blows, Hillary does not, she is very strong and is totally for the middle class as is John MCCain.

    I ask you all if you were part of this Bilderburg group and you wanted to basically control the world, get the north american union in, who would you want as President of the free world??? A strong woman who takes orders from no one and is totally committed to unions, and the middle class even to the point of being against some of Bill’s policies.

    The answer is simple, of coarse you would want Bambi, the little puppet. I believe he has been set up since day one and the Bilderburg has played the AA’s to race bait and take away the clout the Clinton’s once had with that group. I think we have to really work hard, because I think its a given he is going to win. Sorry for that analogy, but its scares the hell out of me!!

  409. Remember just say NO! Obambi does not have the strong support of women…these guys don’t really respect women in the political arena.

    Those who write keep writing. THIS IS WAR!!!

  410. Come home to Chicago …posted at 4:15 pm on June 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
    Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Where should the DNC go now that they have a nominee? Apparently they have decided that Chicago feels more like home, as the Democrats hope to consolidate efforts between the DNC and the Barack Obama campaign. Does it bother them that the Beltway looks clean in comparison?
    In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago to be fully integrated with the Obama campaign.
    The DNC’s political department, housed in Washington, D.C., will be dramatically rebuilt, with staffers offered a choice of moving to Chicago, joining state operations, or staying in Washington, DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney said.
    But the power will clearly be shifting to a centralized Chicago hub.
    Of course, Democrats may feel that Chicago’s style of politics suits them much better than DC. With the Rezko trial showing massive corruption in state politics, the Republicans might think so as well.
    Will Governor Rod Blagojevich get indicted while the Democrats run their 2008 campaign? That should make for a great environment for hope and change.

    hotair.com/archives/2008/06/12/come-home-to-chicago/

  411. Poll: Many in world look to US election for change

    Associated Press – June 12, 2008 4:23 PM ET

    WASHINGTON (AP) – A new poll is suggesting that the global community expects the next American president to improve U.S. policies toward the rest of the world, especially if it’s Barack Obama.

    But the survey of 2 dozen countries by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center also suggests international respondents have a poor image of the U.S.

    Most of those who were surveyed in 18 nations are describing their countries’ economic conditions as poor. There’s also a sense that the American economy is hurting their countries.

    There appears to be intense interest in the U.S. presidential race among the nations polled. Eighty-three percent of those who were asked in Japan said they’re closely following U.S. politics. That’s about the same proportion of people who said so in the U.S.

    http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=8483156

  412. Larry sinclair will be at National press club next wednesday for a press conference. You could sign a petition at Firedoglake requesting the NPC not to host it.

  413. I was going through some past blogs on the Larry Sinclair site
    found this post :

    “Hollywood923 Says:
    Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    I’m QueenNewNew923 and I just wanted to say to Larry Sinclair and all of his supporters that……………………….U guys are FUCKIN nut cases. I’m mean really I think all of you need to be checked out. Larry ur going to be in a body bag soon enough. And when that day comes, don’t say I didn’t warn you. You can’t even back up half of what u say. You don’t have any evidence(receipts, pix, witnesses)you are so going dow. And if the DNC or the Obama Camp doesn’t kill u, then ONE OF US WILL. Barack Obama is the best thing that ever happened to the US and WE’LL(Obama supporters) be damned if u try to take it away for money. You are such a faggot. Why don’t you leave Barack alone and die in peace. And for LegalLady, I’m a true Obama supporter. I believe in him with all my heart and soul. He will be the next President of the United States. Larry go get some help.
    So in closing, all I have say is watch out Larry. We are alwayz watching u.
    Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08 OBAMA 08”

    Whether you buy into Larry Sinclair or not..just look at who we are up against to knock BHO out of the race.
    There are some really scary people out there.

    We can thank Ronald Reagan for cutting funding to our mental health facilities!!!

  414. by the way the National Press Club is not sponsoring the Larry Sinclair event from what I understand. It is sponsored by Veritas Federal Media and is open to the press.

  415. skmf12 Says:
    so hillary is not leading her own fight to take it to the convention
    floor.
    rather, her delegates are going to try and do it for her,
    but i am still voting mccain in the mean time k?

    Supporting McCain all summer will give Hillary more strength in August! The DNC will see how many more votes they will have if they choose HIllary.

  416. marie3548 Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Did everyone hear about this
    Project: Green Rain For MCcain
    hcsfjm.com/grfm.html

    On 7-4-08 at least 1 million Hillary Clinton supporters are to send John MCcain $5.44 trying to set a new one day record and relying on MCcains people to relay this effort to the press to send the DNC a signal.

    But we CANT rely on McCain’s people to tell the press and the DNC about this, or even to confirm the numbers! They don’t WANT Hillary nominated.

    Better we should spend the $5 on “Hillary or McCain” bumper stickers or mugs or something!

    h t t p : / / http://www.cafepress.com/hillaryormccain

    Or better we should use it to retire Hillary’s debt.

  417. The DNC move to Chicago is interesting if true. And, is thie before he actually wins nomination? And should he lose the Presidency, the plan is obvious. If this is successful, Donna Brazille will have been proven to be correct. The Democratic base is changing and they do not need us middle class (white) folks and women anymore.

    The DNC will soon stand for the Democrat Nationalist Cabal

    I wonder how little Nancy Pelosi will like walking the streets in the 8th Ward with her designer handbag, shawl and a big “Hope and Change” pin on her lapel….

  418. The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh’hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.
    =================================

    A sane adult? Bambi is safe, then!

  419. confloyd, I don’t know if I can agree with you on the Bilderburg group. seems to me they represent extreme right wing views. the only possible link I could imagine to dems is if they rejected McCain outright

  420. Talk about earmarks! DNC move to Chicago…

    this really hacks me off. The Democratic Party’s physical location in DC was SYMBOLIC of it being “for the people”

    moving it t Chicago makes it “For Obama”

    screw these people

  421. if you have $5.44 please sent it to Hillary first so she can eliminate her campaign debt. Just think if every one of the 18 million supporters sent her just 1 dollar her debt would almost be eliminated.

  422. Debbie…perhaps they were there to see HRC? One-to-one, much more conservative than Obama….

    just a thought

  423. It’s like the Battle of Thermopylae (from the movie “300″) — no one thought that the 300 were going to win, but that wasn’t the point. The point was to hang up the Persian Empire forces while the Athenians set up for the naval battle to come. And it worked. That is, the Persian Empire got ‘distracted’ by the 300.

    [[ Oh, so that’s where Aragorn got the idea. ]]

    We — those who want to stop Bambi — don’t need to be distracted with tracking down all the particulars of the case law or Bambi’s passport, etc. But by raising the issue, we force HIM to have to deal with it.

    [[ Right! ]]
    [[ And it shows Bambi in another bad judgement call: “Why didn’t he just release the damn documents in the first place?” ]]

  424. So…what ever DID happen in Passport-gate? Anything? Or was that swept under the rug too. I know some “overzealous” and mischievous interns were blamed…but what was the result?

  425. And why IS it so troublesome for BO to actually release the birth certificate? I read they will be releasing a pdf file.

    Well…it’s amazing what I can do in photoshop….and I am a fifty-something year old white woman…..not near the skill as the Obama Division of Document Printing has…

    let’s see the real thing. why not?

    the question must be asked

  426. NEITHER of those places have ANY real credibility in neutral assessment. What has the justice department have to say? My passport was stilen years ago. The hoops I had to jump through t even be able to FILE for a new one were rigorous. I now have the lovely document with a gold seal and a red ribbon that states I am an American Citizen. “Signed” by Madeline Albright.

    Bambi got one of those? And I had to send TWO certified copies of my Birth Certificate and an affidavit to get that.

  427. And why would it be “released” THERE of all places?

    Why not the CAMPAIGN release it to JOURNALISTS? and let’s see the original….

    Dan Rather is looking like George Washington

  428. hehe, interesting that BO’s website has launched a “fight the Smears” section, where they discuss MO and ‘Whitey’.

    They list the personalities that have mentioned it, then post their rebuttal which simply says, “No such tape exists.”
    You’ll note they don’t deny she said it.
    Didn’t read any further because it sickens me to even be there,
    see for yourself;

    my.barackobamaDOTcom/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

  429. Neil Cavuto wants to interview me, oh jeez. People are blowingthis endorsement way out of proportion. You shouldsee my inbox on facebook, full of Obamabots. I have gotten about 10 angry messages, and 3 positive messages. I do not want to go on Fox,too nervous for being on tv like that.

  430. I wonder if Obama wins if he is going to move the White House to Chicago too, and make Chicago the seat of Power?

    This really TICKS ME OFF about the DNC.

    might just have to ignore McCain’s Social Issues page and hold my nose and vote for him. At least he respects institutional validity.

    I guess this is the new politics. Since Washington is broken, move it.

  431. “The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party that isn’t always known for its unity.”

    Translation? The Democratic Party is now OFFICIALLY part of the Chicago Combine. 🙁

  432. Idunn, I am afraid you are correct. I was HOPEFUL that we would be able to work from within and take our party back, but this move seems to preclude that, and certainly is a slap at all the Dems who do not support him. It also effectively locks out Clintons.

  433. SONIA4HILLARY Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
    neetabug Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    r u planning to go to DENVER??

    Yes, HIllary might get the nomination. I am not ready to concede

  434. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
    Idunn, I am afraid you are correct. I was HOPEFUL that we would be able to work from within and take our party back, but this move seems to preclude that, and certainly is a slap at all the Dems who do not support him. It also effectively locks out Clintons

    AMERICA BETTER WAKE UP

  435. neetabug Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    I can,t go with 2 kids and in -laws .

    is there some PAC helping you guys with expenses,i could donate and not feel guilty of not being there .

  436. I remember when GWB “won” the Presidency. He kept being self-referential “I am the President” “As the President” “Your President” ad nauseum….it made me ill and showed me just how juvenile he was. It was like his “I have earned Political Capital” line on round 2…”And now I am going to spend it”….

    I think we are in for the same deal…only he won’t say it, he will just TAKE STUFF away from Americans BECAUSE “I am the President”

  437. U need a luagh , saw it somehwre else

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.’
    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’

    The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb a– put him up there to begin with.’

  438. All over local news about Obama camp saying that the “Whitey” tape does not exist. For something that does not exist obama sure is worried about it.

  439. one more luagh

    “Barack Obama was speaking to a Jewish group, and he told them that his name Barack is the same as the Jewish word ‘baruch,’ which means one who’s blessed. That’s what he said, yeah. Obama had a harder time explaining his middle name, Hussein. Things got quiet there” –Conan O’Brien

  440. SONIA4HILLARY Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
    neetabug Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    I can,t go with 2 kids and in -laws .

    is there some PAC helping you guys with expenses,i could donate and not feel guilty of not being there

    I am going on my own. There is a group. If you can’t go. You can donate. I have to check out the name. I remember they were on this site.

  441. well ,i got about 5-6 comments through
    here is one of them —

    SONIA4HILLARY June 12th, 2008 4:53 pm ET

    OBAMA””HILLARY is likeable enough””`

    obama —you are not even likeable enough .

  442. neetabug Says:

    June 12th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    pls give me the name at ur convience –and i will donate –THX

  443. Hill’s website has a link to the Red Cross for disaster help. Still fighting for families, that is our girl.

    Go Hillary .. all the way to the White House.

    I’ll be waiting for you.

  444. i hope –all of you already signed up with puma —

    you really have to know which one to go to b/c bots bought similar names bandwidth —-

  445. The Top Ten Signs of the Obamessiah

    Obama preached to the multitude by the side of the lake.

    Obama created new states from out of the void.

    Obama turned whine into Kool-Aid® for his followers.

    Obama came to us carried upon a donkey.

    Obama triumphed over the beast, the enemy of all men.

    Obama was stoned and yet he has risen.

    Obama’s flock has millions of sheep.

    Obama will reign over us from a house with many rooms.

    You must have no other candidates before Obama.

    Obama Will raise voters from the dead. Count on it.

  446. NEW ARTICLE UP.

    Let’s get to work on action item 3 by posting it on pro-hillary blogs everywhere.

  447. SONIA4HILLARY Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    i hope –all of you already signed up with puma —

    you really have to know which one to go to b/c bots bought similar names bandwidth —-

    ========================

    Imo the best ones are h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org and http://pumaparty.com

    blog.pumapac.org has the first 527, is associated with Riverdaughter, and has a lot of people from hillaryclinton.com It’s overloaded and disorganized, long long threads.

    pumaparty.com has great software, I wish more people would go there

    camille424’s bitterpoliticz is more like a social blog but does some organizing, refugees from taylormarsh.com

    clintondems.com is great, our own hillbillylover!

  448. University of Iowa Students for Hillary leaders endorse McCain, McKinney, on Ben Smith on Politico;I am the cody he speaks of…

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