The Party’s Over

This column will serve as commentary on today’s events.

Our standing orders, as always: ORGANIZE.

In days to come we will announce organizational decisions (and infrastructure) being made, by groups such as Clinton Supporters Count Too. The fight for core Democratic principles continues even though The Party’s Over.

We will also continue our series discussing why Democrats should not vote for Obama Voting For Barack Obama.

NOvember will come soon enough and we will vote for Hillary; No one else but Hillary. We will encourage others to do the same.

We won’t be alone in that decision– vote for Hillary – Not Big Media, Not Big Media Tool Obama. We will also NOT vote for any candidate who endorsed Obama over Hillary during the primary season. We will encourage as many Democrats as possible to follow our lead.

A hypothetical Obama/Clinton ticket would currently get 52 percent, compared to 46 percent for a hypothetical McCain/Romney ticket. And if she’s not on the ticket? Sixty percent of her Democratic supporters would vote for Obama, 17 percent would vote for McCain, and 22 percent say they would stay at home in November and not vote for anyone.

“That’s just one estimate of the ‘Clinton factor’ and it may not be an accurate predictor since it piles several hypotheticals on top of each other and asks people to guess their state of mind five months from now,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Nonetheless, it does indicate that unmotivated Clinton supporters may be a bigger risk to Obama than defections from the Clinton camp to McCain.”

“Unmotivated”? Quite the contrary. Very motivated Clinton supporters will never vote for Obama.

And a few words of advice to Hillary: If you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas.

Jut Jaw

Other, strong Democrats will vote for McCain.

My name is Daniel Boehmer and I am a member of the College Democrats here at George Washington University. I additionally served as a member of Nicole Capp’s cabinet as Assistant VPJLA to Andrew Salzman and on the Joint Elections Committee (JEC) this past year. A long time supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton these past 16 months of her campaign, the selection of Sen. Obama has placed me, like many other Democrats, in an odd position. For me however, the debate between ‘loyalty’ to my party and voting based on my conscience was quickly settled. I determined that my support would, in lieu of Sen. Clinton’s nomination to the Democratic Party, be given to Sen. John McCain. [snip]

I suggest that either 1) under the auspices of the CRs or 2) by means of the formation of a separate student organization “GW Democrats for McCain” or 3) under the auspices of the organization “GW Students for McCain” the CRs orchestrate the creation of a Democrats for McCain chapter at GWU. Such an action, I believe, is perfectly justified this year because of the large number of supporters of Hillary Clinton who should be compelled to vote for John McCain over her underqualified former opponent, Sen. Obama. It is of course up to the discretion of the CRs which action they might want to take on this matter; however, I highly recommend providing a means for Democrats at GW to support John McCain as a candidate in the Fall. I myself would certainly encourage many of my fellow Hillary Clinton supporters to do the same.

Riverdaughter also says The Party’s Over:

The problem is the party itself. 2008 was the year that the party abandoned its principles. It is no longer the party of FDR and shared responsibility. Now, it is the party of wannabe rich libertarian Democrats. It is the party of the Ariana Huffingtons who, dissatisfied with her own party, have decided to steal someone else’s. It isn’t the party that nearly elected Bobby Kennedy. It is the party that is about to write off Appalachia. Good riddance, poor working people! You’re on your own now. It isn’t the party that made social security sacred. It is the party that might very well start tinkering with it because the young and well off don’t understand the concept of shared responsibility and insurance. And speaking of insurance, well, don’t expect the health insurance crisis to get any better. That would have called for everyone to be covered and we won’t be going there with Obama.

The problem with Obama and the new Democratic party is that it doesn’t stand for real Democrats. It is yet another strange amalgamation of voters whose self interest was pandered to. In many ways, it is no different than the Republican party of gilded capitalists, religious crazies and neocons. This new Democratic party is made up of young people, libertarians and pretentious status conscious liberals. There is a nasty streak of cynicism in it as well, as if it’s just so outre to consider helping the poor or abiding by any core Democratic principles. The new Democratic party is just too cool for that. They can write some lengthy, detached policy paper about it and pay some lip service but really, the American demographic has evolved and those people on the brink of insolvency, well, they are the Neanderthals that didn’t make the cut.

And in January Taylor Marsh had this to say.

I’m an American first. I will not support my party no matter what, or someone in my party who is doing what I believe is horrendously destructive things to the ideals I hold dear. I have no intention of stuffing my beliefs back in a bag in the name of party unity. On this I stand with the Founders who weren’t all that crazy about political affiliation. I have absolutely no intention of backing someone who believes Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years. As a Reagan Democrat, I know that dog whistle, baby, and I’m running in the other direction. Someone who takes Democrats for granted in order to reach out to independents and Republicans to get the Democratic nomination holds no sway over me. It’s also not my job to unify the Democratic party. And anyone who can say that Reagan transformed the political landscape over Bill Clinton scares the ideological crap out of me, and I say this knowing all of Bill Clinton’s shortcomings. But they don’t come close to Reagan’s. As a recovered Reagan Democrat, I know this all too well. [snip]

The wingnuts didn’t target Bill and Hillary Clinton for eight long years for nothing.

As for Bill’s “old” politics, as Howard Wolfson rightly said in a long, spirited media conference call today, which happened right after my radio show, Obama’s campaign has been running a “sub-rosa campaign against Bill Clinton” for a long time. Now it’s out in the open. Are the Clintons not supposed to respond? Are Democrats who believe in our ideology not supposed to take offense at Obama’s Reagan usage in order to win? Hillary said Democrats will be united in November. Obama said he knew he could get Hillary supporters, but he wasn’t sure she could get his supporters. That’s because Mr. Obama is taking Democratic primary voters as a gimme, while hoping independents and Republicans will hand him our nomination. After all, Democratic primary voters will always vote for the person with the “D.” Sorry, no sale here. I believe our ideology should be represented by a nominee who doesn’t run from it to be all things to all people, so if our nominee can’t sell our great ideas then maybe we deserve to lose. Obama seems to be saying that our ideas aren’t strong enough to win on their own, so through the magnetism of his personality we will prevail.

A lot of people seem concerned that we won’t all be able to come together in November. That some points shouldn’t be made because it’s targeting a fellow Democrat. That being a good Democrat is what’s important. Or that I’m going after Obama just because and only because I’m a Clinton partisan. If that’s the case you don’t understand who I am and what I do, which is likely my fault for not being clearer about it. That’s the purpose of this post in part. My job is not unification of the Democratic party. So when I see a fellow Democrat who wants to be our nominee putting Reagan up as an example in order to win a certain state, while dissing the only two term Democratic president since F.D.R. in the process, excuse me if I’m not impressed. [snip]

Democrats have a main contender for the nomination of the party who touts Ronald Reagan in order to get an endorsement and to court conservatives, while trashing the only two term Democratic president since F.D.R., while simultaneously saying the first viable female candidate to have a chance at being commander in chief may not be trustworthy enough to handle secret intelligence. Contrary to what some believe, this isn’t just some petty intra-party squabble among leading Democrats and progressives for me. It’s a philosophical point of no return; a line in the sand that has been crossed, which makes me reject Barack Obama for putting it into the political bloodstream all so he could win Nevada. Just as he ran to the Christian Broadcasting Network to question whether his supporters would back Clinton, Obama’s divisiveness belies his “politics of hope.” That he would also use Reagan, plus wingnut talking points on national security to target the first viable woman commander in chief, puts in question for me the importance of nominating a Democrat like this just to put our party in power in November. It was Obama that got us into this situation not Hillary Clinton. It’s making the case that someone of questionable ideological intent, because he has a “D” attached to his political affiliation, should get a pass, and that doing otherwise renders me a bad Democrat. Well, then call me a patriotic American instead, because I will not be party to such wholesale sell off of what I hold dear.

I have been a Democrat for a very long time, a proud liberal, or progressive if you prefer, ever since I learned the realities of Ronald Reagan after becoming a Reagan Democrat in 1980. But I have been an American for a lot longer and to that I owe my original allegiance. When I hear a fellow Democrat again trumpeting Reagan’s name all I hear is a high pitched whistle. I am not here for the glory of some faint notion of progressive unity. I’m sacrificing, as is my husband, financial security, our future economic security, and every hour of my waking day to put this country on a new path. Regardless of someone claiming to be a Democrat, I will not fall in line for the sake of unity for someone who puts Ronald Reagan above Bill Clinton, and uses his campaign to attack, malign and misrepresent a president that with all his faults, gave his very best for his country, left it in thriving economic health, with our reputation around the world at its highest, with middle class people everywhere in better shape than when he arrived. I also will not support anyone who casts aspersions on a woman running for president by implying she cannot win his supporters, or that she can’t be trusted with secret intelligence, a right-wing talking point about Democrats that goes back to my Reagan Democrat days when the GOP let loose with the line that Democrats were “soft on national security,” something they’ve been selling ever since.

I’m a proud Democrat, but I’m an American first. If you want unity you’ve come to the wrong place.

Time to organize. It’s a People’s Campaign. The Party’s Over.

Share

579 thoughts on “The Party’s Over

  1. good morning Hillaary fans

    Just a thought this morning as I listen to callers from CSPAN. Many BHO supporters think she should apologize to BHO. It wasn’t clear to me as to why they felt this way but nonetheless they think she should.

    I just have one thing to say, when did we ever have a losing team (football, basketball or baseball) apologize to the winning team??

    This mindset and double standard is one of the very reasons BHO will never get my vote. The other reasons have been made crystal clear right here on Hillary is 44.

    I live in CA and I keep thinking we are probably due for a sizable earthquake soon.

    This split in the democratic party might just be the “big one” I’ve been waiting for.

  2. debbie, they still don’t get it. it is 18 millions voters they deparately need. they should reach out to hillary’s supporters. the first step is to respect hillary. I am so sick that they keep talking that they were not happy that hillary did not conced on Tes night. Hillary have nothing to loose. she is out and she need vacation. that is it.

  3. hey, does anyone have a feed to Hillary’s speech this morning. sure wish I could have joined her in DC for the special event.

  4. excellent post, admin

    What stuns me is that Barack has befriended Ayers, a terrorist who bombed the capitol, the pentagon and a nyc police station.

    You can’t vote in a man as President whose moral judgment is atrocious.

    20 years with Ayers and Dohrn
    20 years with Rezko
    20 years with Reverend Wright

    Hillary Clinton is the only one I vote for.

    None of those 27 nitwits who disenfranchised 2.7 million voters in MI and FL will get a dime or a vote from me.

  5. Per Maggie Williams’ email sent out, Hillary’s speech will be livestreamed on her website hillaryclinton.com

    We invite you to visit our website tomorrow, Saturday June 7, at 12 p.m. EDT to watch Hillary speak live.

    Thank you for everything you have done for our campaign.

    Sincerely,
    Maggie Williams

  6. The ‘story’ that Obama, his people, and the TV pundits kept spreading from the beginning and still are pumping is that Bill Clinton is a total narcissist.
    Then as they speak of ‘the Clintons’, it follows that she is too. Neither does a thing, they insist, except for selfish, ambitious motives.

    Remember “Hillary has been planning this run for 20 years” ? Well no, that was Obama.

    Look at who’s accusing the Clintons. Vain, pompous pundits, campaign directors for sale to the highest bidder, and Obama, a leader in the self-absorbed sweepstakes.

    I can tell you from personal experience that the rap on Bill Clinton is untrue. He is dedicated to solving problems and he’s good at it. I wish he wre president now because we wouldn’t be as deep in the hole as we are.

    Instead, when some unforeseen crisis appears — and it will — we could be at the mercy of a man who couldn’t figure out for 20 years that he was endorsing and promoting and contributing to 3 racists, 2 terrorists, and a corrupt fixer. Not exactly swift, is he?

  7. I am done with all the campaigning. All the debates. I will however be voting for John McCain. I don’t need the debates or anything else to persuade me. The democratic party has already done that.

    I am also done with CNN, MSNBC, Fox etc. This primary election has shown me my vote does not count.

    Screw the whole process. I will never contribute to any political candidate again except John McCain to defeat O

  8. the pundits don’t get it and no doubt BHO doesn’t either.

    These aren’t just hurt feelings, this is about electing the best qualified president for our country after the disasterous 8 years of GWB.

    I recommend this reading at no quarter….

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/07/speaking-with-dragons/

  9. Carl Bernstein actually gave her huge kudoes today .. BO’s internals are tanking and they want to hitch to the Hillary wagon now. All the while talking that it much be Hillary who “brings’ her vote to Barack ..

    Barack must EARN those votes, just as Hillary did.

    Rock on Hillary .. we’ll be waiting for you.

    We’ll Be Waiting For You .. YES WE WILL.

  10. # virago47 Says:June 7th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “The attack on Charlie Rangle is unwarranted. Mr. Rangle is a good friend of Hillary Clinton, and like only a good friend can do, he explained the reality of the situation to her. She was not going to get the support of the DNC or super delegates. Hillary Clinton respects Mr. Rangle and his judgement. He does not deserve the harsh words or being damned.”

    Whoa! First of all, who are you? I’ve never seen you post here before, not a single time.

    Secondly, perhaps I was wrong for using foul language with regards to Mr Rangel, however there are limited ways to express rage in such a setting.

    But am I to understand you saying Mr Rangel, with his decades of experience, could not see this was rigged?

    Am I to understand that Mr Rangel didn’t the media coverage of this campaign as the most biased in history?

    Am I to understand that despite his ample experience, Mr Rangel cannot see that the DNC machinations of actually switching delegates from one candidate to another is not only immoral but illegal?

    You’re telling me I’m supposed to buy Mr Rangel’s assertion that Hillary must drop out because a few NY congressman MIGHT face a challenge in their districts from Pro-Obama candidates?

    THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE TELLING ME? GIVE ME A BREAK!
    (I don’t know if you’re a BOT trying to ‘soothe’ Hillary supporters or what, but this I WILL not buy!!!)

    Charlie Rangel sold Hillary out!

    And in 20 minutes Hill & Bill should get up and tell the entire nation WHY.

  11. Mollyj’s message to the media and the DNC:

    We know who you are and we saw what you did

  12. THE bLAME HILLARY EXPRESS IS ALREADY BEING SET UP…THE MEDIA KNOWS HE’S GONNA LOSE

    Todays Gallop shows he got NO bounce from clinching the nomination.

    The empty suit now wants Bill to campaign for him .. the same empty suit who’s talked about him like a dog … f him.

  13. The next two weeks are gonna be important for McCain. I think he should go ahead and announce his running mate.

  14. gosh do i feel a bit retarded today , i have been sitting on the last thread hitting reload for like an hour and wondering why all of you were not here! …….then i noticed there was a new thread up … DUH!….LOL!!!

  15. djia Are you saying we have to fill out the ticket info to watch?

    I’m so afraid Ill end up on a BO mailing list. Blech

  16. from TM

    Now if BO loses in November it will be Hillary’s fault because she was late for this speech. hee
    Jada60 | 06.07.2008 – 12:04 pm | #

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! It’s true Jada they will blame it on her and you know it!

  17. cj: really, you have to donate to watch? This must be the fusing of funds, that go to the DNC or BHO. NO THANKS.

  18. wbboei,

    From prior thread, no, I was not asking whether you, in fact, think 🙂

    Only whether or not you agreed, which you said you did (with regard to Steinhem).

    I’m surprised to see you agree with virago47.
    No way in the world Rangel didn’t know what’s really been going on in this campaign, IMO. NONE.
    Therefore, him switching his support had to be for other reasons.

    I don’t care to speculate on what they might really be, but it surely isn’t because 3 congressmen could someday face a primary challenge.

    That’s just lame.

  19. they fused to watch it …yep money to him no no noo!!thats what i gather ,because her other speeches she streamed it was on to watch the people before she started talking

  20. well i filled it out , not really knowing what it was for but was curious……. it gave me a coupon to print out LOL

    I don’t see anywhere on her site to watch a live stream

    I don’t want to be on his mailing list either, so i think i will have to unsubscribe from Hillary’s mailing list now

  21. CJ: you can skip the first page, and go directly to the website. That donation and support page has been up for a few days.

  22. ok i found it now thanks!!!ok now i will watch on cspan..thank paula…no rating for fox cnn messnbc..

  23. forwarding this email just in to my inbox …….i am sure you all will find it uplifting!!
    *****************
    YEAHHHHH!!! SEE BELOW! ( I got this email this morning after sending delegates my letter last nite!!) Pls forward if it helps!
    Sarah

    Begin forwarded message:

    From: MBDec@aol.com
    Date: June 6, 2008 10:18:32 AM EDT
    To: carpetride@nyc.rr.com
    Subject: Re: Pledge to support

    Thank you for your message. I am a super delegate pledged to support Hillary Clinton. I am doing everything in my power to get her elected. I will stay with her until she releases her delegates.

    I am receiving 40 to 50 e-mails daily in support of Hillary. I try to answer them all if only briefly. If every delegate reads and pays attention to the letters that I am receiving, it should bring them over to Hillary’s side. Thank you for your work on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

    Moretta Bosley
    Kentucky

  24. by the time she gets in that SUV, the press will be following her through the streets of DC like OJ just to make sure she gets to her destination…the press is nervous she may have second thoughts. HA!

  25. I just can’t stand all these pundits praising how wonderful HRC is NOW that she is “leaving”

    I almost think they will play “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” when her speech ends

  26. cspan said 30 mintues,,oh im sure them pundits are crapping oh real nervous..thats what they get for calling her names,rigged this up for her and stoled it away..she has to rem like she said 18 million of us,

  27. birdgal Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    CJ: you can skip the first page, and go directly to the website. That donation and support page has been up for a few days.
    i did that ya gotta
    fill out the ticket thing is that right dija.
    Please fill out the form below to get your event ticket.

    this is how they will get our names,

  28. MOLLY ! ROFL!

    Meingsu…we are working with a number of partners who will be posted on the website within a few days

    keep checking back

    there is a lot of coordination to do

  29. I was thinking about Hillary’s future last night. When she started out this campaign, she was the establishment candidate but she ended up as the outsider. And along the way she became a much better candidate, too. If she runs in 2012 of 2016, she won’t have support from the elites starting out, but she’ll have something much better. A core of grassroots supporters and donors. She’ll be fine.

  30. folks please resist the temptations to patronize CNN, FOX, or MSNBC. They do not deserve our support in anyway.

    use your power against these main stream news sources to show your support for Hillary and not their misogyny, sexism, etc.

    If we can not do this “simple” thing we will not defeat BHO in NOvember.

    Let Hillary is 44, no quater and the other pro Hillary sites feed you the information you need. choose CSPAN as an alternative (not the best), watch your local news, anything but the news organization that put her down. Say no to them and to the democratic party for their abuse.

  31. meiyingsu….

    FDR is candidate-neutral. Our beef is with the DNC now, the RBC, and the media.

    Read the statement from FDR in the Partners page. Our intent is to call the DNC Out for their behavior and we will be determining the next step for the REAL DEMOCRATS in this country, and all the other centrists who believe the system, as we know it, is completely broken.

  32. Ok, so I guess I’m the only one who’s not only outraged as the details of the conference call with Charlie Rangel leaked out, but further outraged that some poster I never heard of comes here and tries to smooth over his selling out of Hillary. Fine.

    Chelsea Clinton delivered a message to convention delegates from her mother: Thank you for all the support – and now it’s time to rally behind Sen. Barack Obama.

    Obama, as everyone surely knows, narrowly defeated Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.
    “My mother wanted me to be very clear – we are going to united,” Chelsea told Texas Democrats.
    Her mother, she noted, will be endorsing her formal rival tomorrow. Hillary Clinton will reaffirm “her life-long commitment to support and elect Democrats and Sen. Obama in November,” the younger Clinton said.

    Chelsea appeared impressed when she stepped before more than 10,000 Texas Democrats.
    “Oh gosh,” she repeated three times.
    “Thank you,” she repeated over and over.
    “Oh, wow!”
    “I typically speak to smaller crowds,” she said, laughing. “You give new meaning (to the saying that) you do things bigger in Texas.”

  33. Norma Desmond, great idea. we should try to get as many centrists as possible elected to the congress.

  34. forwarding another email from this group i signed up with newwomensparty@yahoogroups.com

    I have been off to the Texas Democratic Convention all day Friday and will be gone most of Saturday.

    I’m turning the tide against Obama and flipping black women to HRC. Be patient will explain all later Saturday. I’ve been up for 20 straight hours. Accomplishing amazing things. Have faith, we may turn this for her yet. I haven’t quit trying. We totally dominated and buried the Obama people. They couldn’t get anyone elected to any position for the National Convention. Courtesy of yours truly. No HRC supporters were clapping or cherring or looking happy at the unity bs. We were groaning, frowning, sitting and even thumbs-downing them. He can’t close the deal. Chelsea Clinton appeared and got a big surprise. A huge sea of HRC signs and supporters screaming for HRC. We outnumbered the Obama people by 3 to 1 and we’re kicking ass.

    And when they kept bitching they ought to have some of the elected positions, I answered (I had women all stirred up”Payback is a bitch, isn’t it?”. I have to get a bit of sleep now but will send an amazing report.

    New Women’s Party
    Feminism: (noun) the radical notion that women are people.
    How long must women wait for our woman presidential nominee?

  35. I’m with somebody else here .. my heart is breaking.

    Now all of a sudden, according to the media, the Clinton’s are the best thing since sliced bread .. CNN anyway,

    What does that tell you about Bwack’s internals .. they KNOW they HAVE TO HAVE THE CLINTONS TO WIN

    I hope they both tell them to fuck off. Give him the endorsement and say, okay you got what you wanted. Get YOURSELF elected .. get the most votes .. I did you, now you have to do it.

    It’s killing CNN to have to admit mcCain is so close when he should be tanked.

    Our movement must stay strong to keep Hussein out of the White House .. him and his ugly ass wife,.

  36. You know these pricks in the media have stop watches going to see how long Hillary speaks before mentioning Obama and will talk about that all night.

  37. Hillary Clinton is the best speaker. She speaks with intelligence to her audience’s intelligence.

  38. No way is BO getting Hillary’s supporters, they are just not going o do it.

    you can tell that today, bigtime.

  39. dedfg Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I wonder how many people there are plants for Obama to ensure there is any clapping for him.
    good thinker i never thought of that..probably lotts

  40. I love it that she is speaking of BILL’S SUCCESS.

    You know the MSM will crucify her for THAT

  41. With a smile on her face she is scolding the DNC for throwing Bill under the bus with this racist crap. By reminding them that Bill is the only democrat to win the White House for 2 terms in over 50 years.

  42. She’s making as strong a case for Waffles as she can, but I’m not convinced. Never will be, either.

  43. You can tell by Hillary’s and her supporters faces that they are doing this by force only.

  44. read between the lines- support universal healthcare and vote for BO. Hmmmm…. contradiction there no?

  45. Sorry, Hillary, I love you, but you will NEVER convince me to vote for BO. Lots of BO plants in audience it seems to me also.

    This is a very sad day.

  46. Can a women be commander in chief? well we answered that one and can a black man be elected president obama answered that one. Media will criticize her for implying Obama not fit to be commander in chief

  47. Hillary is only doing this for show, she doesnt mean a word of it. She may as well be doing this with a row of machine guns pointed at her, because thats what it sounds like.

  48. “Never listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on.” A woman someday in the White House! You bet!

  49. cj

    Can a women be commander in chief? well we answered that one and can a black man be elected president? Obama answered that one. Media will criticize her for implying Obama not fit to be commander in chief

  50. Ok, you watch right now, the MSM turn on Obama faster than a little old lady getting on the slots at Vegas.

    Hillary is officially out of the way, the msm is going to go nasty on his ass now.

  51. yes rjk: I just meant it no longer bothers me. I actually hope they do talk about that statement.

  52. And to think we could have had this strong, classy, brilliant woman to lead our country…and look what was “put in” as our nominee. I will never ever forget what has been done.

  53. what is that song……. i can’t hear the words clearly

    something about remember to say thank you

  54. Fuck Chris wallace, she spent 5 minutes talking about Obama and the rest of the time talking about herself. Sick and tired of these fucks!!

  55. I agree with rjk. This is not end for Hillary in presidential politics at all. It’s just the beginning.

  56. No, she spent the rest of the time talking about the people she’s fighting for. Chris Wallace is the resident Obamaphile at Fox, BTW.

  57. Major Garret said “diminishing returns in applause the more she mentioned Obama”

    John King “The applause was great each time she mentioned Obama”

    ROFLMAO!

  58. Me too, Ronald. We all did. But I feel better now after watching her speak. More at peace, and ready to fight along with her in whatever path she takes.

  59. Thank you all and thanks admin for everything. This site has been therapeutic to me. I will continue to read all your posts and follow your lead. I will not vote for any democrats for a long time.

  60. Blue Dem wrote: I don’t care to speculate on what they might really be, but it surely isn’t because 3 congressmen could someday face a primary challenge.

    This made me chuckle a little bit because I have my own theory about why so many of Hill’s SDs switched over (Maxine Waters is another one). I don’t know if my dream scenerio will play out, but it will sure be a sight to see if only it could.

  61. The Obamabots think McCain will be a walkover, underestimate him and the GOP at your peril, you asses.

  62. Norma, I’m glad he press is saying that. Maybe they’ll get off her back and leave her alone, finally.

  63. BO’s campaign is going to spend the next two weeks working on economic issues for the typical, white, bitter voters to win then over.

    Yep! That’s all it would take. Sure thing, BO. We don’t have Charlie Rangel and others twisting our arms to make us say “uncle”.

  64. please everyone stop tuning into MSNBC, FOX and CNN

    1. it make you crazy mad
    2. it breaks you down
    3. it supports them
    4. its anti-Hillary

  65. It will be stunning to see the MSM start reporting properly now on Obama, you watch them start looking at hios background, it will be oh dear, what is this Barack.

  66. At least her crowd was classier than Waffles’ usually are. They boo HRC lustily whenever he mentions her.

  67. yeah dija, thats going to be fun. Waffles better get the books down his pants for whats coming. Its not going to be pretty.

  68. The primary reason Hillary is suspending her campaign instead of ending it is she has a campaign debt that must be eliminated. Her fundraising would end and she would only be allowed to raise $250,000 by the FEC rules after it ended. As long as it it suspended she can continue to raise money all the way up to the convention. I would hate to see her step aside with so much debt. We all could help. If all 18 million gave her $5 we could retire it for her.

  69. rjk,

    Chris wallace, she spent 5 minutes talking about Obama…

    He didn’t even deserve that.

  70. Obama thinks he overpolls in exit polls, he ain’t seen nothing yet!.. Whenever anyone asks are you voting for Obama? say yes…. Shock the shit out of Obama and the media on November 4th.

  71. moononpluto Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
    Ok, you watch right now, the MSM turn on Obama faster than a little old lady getting on the slots at Vegas.

    Hillary is officially out of the way, the msm is going to go nasty on his ass now
    ———————————————–
    moonpluto: oh if were only true. Only hope is fox.

    this speech unified me with the porcleyn cmode. I have been puking ever since she mentioned the name obama for the third time.

  72. “Chris Wallace: She spent 5 minutes talking about Obama…”

    He didn’t even deserve that.

    LOL!

  73. What a classy speech. She is a better person, than I am. She covered all the bases, and offered support for BO, but for the pundits, it will never be enough. I watched it on C-Span, which is much better, so that I didn’t have to listen to those blowhards.


  74. Paula Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    Me too, Ronald. We all did. But I feel better now after watching her speak. More at peace, and ready to fight along with her in whatever path she takes.

    You are stronger than I am. I may get there but I am very sad. But I do feel a bit better after listening to her. She really does see the bigger picture and doesn’t wrap her ego in whats happening.

  75. rjk: lol I have dreamed of that scenario when the pundits got it wrong way back in Feb was it.

  76. I hope she and Bill and Chelsea now take a month or two off and go to the Caribbean for a break….

  77. wwboei: this speech unified me with the porcleyn cmode. I have been puking ever since she mentioned the name obama for the third time.

    ROFL! I knew, I was feeling icky, now, I know what it was. I needed the porcelain commode.

  78. Forgive my moment of levity. If Wallace did not like it that is encouraging. If msnbc hated it then it had to be good. I did not hear her use the words endorse or concede but I missed part of it. I think this was a good stab at party unity but there is too much water under the bridge for that. The media should stop using the wrong words.

  79. Hillary and Bill should go to Bob Johnson’s vacation home in Anguilla and just relax for a few weeks and begin planning for 2012.

  80. Hillary, Bill and Chelsea, all wore black. I feel like wearing a black armband for the next 30 months

  81. I loved this line: “The glass ceiling has about 18 million cracks in it… That was a great line!”

  82. As she was coming on stage I could have sworn I saw Nasty Pelosi hugging her. It was the beginning of her ascent to the stairs. sures looks like Nasty!

  83. NYMAX: Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.
    ———————————————-
    Yup. you and Bobby Gentry are right about that.

    Or Cole Porter in Mrs Otis Regrets: but it would have been bliss if it came down to this the letter I wanted to write.

    I betcha the msnbc media fucks are having a hissy fit that it did not start at high noon.

  84. She hugged someone with Brown hair and that smile that looks like Pelosi’s, she was standing next to grey haired man, he could have been Reid.

    You know they probably behind the scenes making her feel guilty because he is the first black man!

    I did notice she mentioned respect, I imagine she got alot of notes on her website talking about how much they disrespected her during this campaign!!

  85. dedfg…… I know, I have even more hatred now for the DNC for doing this

    I like a poster up thread , needs not watch another debate or hear another speech
    or watch another MSM pundit to k now who i will cast my vote for unless
    all those 18 million cracks actually bring down the ceiling at convention!!

    IT’s RAINING McMCAIN!!! 08!!

  86. no shit confloyd……. i guess i can’t say i am surprised

    i am sure its from recreate68 who don’t want us to take the press away from them LOL

  87. wb i got that close to nasty once and I had to go into one of those special showers for radioactive exposure

  88. If they are playing it again tonight, i want to watch it on a tv, maybe i can see nasty’s face a little better!

    I am proud that she did not concede. She did what they told her to do and Nasty and Harry were there to make sure she did it. The Jerks!!

  89. I read of at No Quarter that Bob Dole had the tape, so maybe the poster on hcsfm should call and talk to Bob Dole. He is the owner of the tape!

  90. Dija: I am sorry to hear that. I think there is something profound that needs to be said here, some words of encouragement, probably buried in Churchills volume on the Wilderness Years. But I will be goddamned if I know what it is. I would sooner coldcock Russert-that would be more theraputic for me.

    From what little I saw this was an acceptable speech. Surely the opening line was bittersweet–not the party I wanted but sure like the company. I think it connected well with her audience because it invoked familiar themes and images. There was a sublety to it which was to tell supporters to support Bambi for policy related reasons and because he is a democrat. It was not an endorsement of his character-was it. Best not to overanalze it or pay too much attention to those who do.

  91. commenter over on noquarter gave a great heads up. here it is

    And folks remember, tomorrow is Sunday, Bambi is in Chicago, will he visit TUCC since the new minister was sent on vacation the other day and Rev Wright is staying on as Pastor, should make for a fun experience to start a new week, especially if Wright is giving the sermon!

  92. Hello Hillfriends…first off I want to say that Hillary is magnificent…she just radiates…

    …and second, I want ADMIN and the posters here to know how much I appreciate this site…I appreciate the spirit and info everyone has contributed every day and I look forward to us going forward with the new chapters Hillary will be writing…

    …anyone want to bet on how soon we will be saying “We told you so”…

    let’s all just keep the faith…Hillary knows what she is doing…

  93. 18 million hands – send them to the DNC
    1. trace your hands on an 8×11 sheet of paper
    2. write your name and city/state in the center of your hands.
    3. above the hands, write: “These hands are on the front lines of democracy and they continue to work for Hillary.”
    4. below the hands, write: “I am one of 18 million. Hillary for President 2008”

    put it in an envelope and send it off to the DNC.

    by Susan in WA State at 6/7/2008 1:55:58 PM

  94. dija: I guess I am parsing words but as I may have mentioned upstream I would have preferred the word support as opposed to endorse. It may be a distinction without a difference but it could be relevant to future attacks by the republicans.
    In other words how could you endorse a candidate who by your own words does not have the experience for the job. If the word was support it would be easier to slide off that one. The other thing is I think she should stay out of the business of defending him against Republicans even though she will be tempted to do that. It is a mistake for her to do that in my opinion.

  95. I wonder if the Repugs could have designed a genius plot.

    Hold onto that MO video, until a few days before the dem convention, when Hillary has basically withdrawn, endorsed Obama and helped him and then drop it, throwing the party into complete shit. He’s fucked, she’s fucked and everyone else along with it.

  96. well,

    its all over…

    i’m ready to walk away, i’m out of here, done with it, i’m an independant now, so thats taken care of…

    hmmmmmmmmm

    i’m out of the party, its over, i can figure out something nice to
    do with my time.
    oh wait, i guess i’m a real independant now, and there is only five
    months till the novemeber election.
    i guess there is so much work, and so little time…

  97. I found the information on no quarter in the comments. The commentators says the tape is real and Bob Dole has it and will not release it until 1 week before the general.

  98. It was a good speech, IMO.

    She is in politics and in politics you do what you have to do in order to conserve your resources and fight another day for the things you want to do and the people you care about.

    She’ll have me on her side, I know that.

  99. Another unity e-mail from the DNC. I have to unsubscribe, since I left the democratic party.

  100. Wbbeoi

    I totally agree! thanks for making that clear

    but everyone , including the GOP knows she was forced to say that specific word, the DNC would accept no other word
    nor would the MSM……..so sad!!

  101. There will no more CNN,MSNBC,FOX,for me.THey have assembled the worst bunch of human scum that they dare to call analysts,advisers,journalists,pundits,and now are recruiting blacks at a rate never seen before in MSM.This is a serious and criminal act to affect and steal an election from our citizens.They are the real axis of evil.Are there any good lawyers out there that can get up the courage to organize a movement to prosecute these traitors? Hillary snookered the MSM again.They thought she would concede and she now holds her delegates and can sit back and watch the evil Media destroy Barack Hussein Obama.His pst is now going to be his present.

    ” IF YOU DO NOT VETT,THIS IS WHAT YOU GET ”

    She will be 44 and you can bet your votes on that

    By ABM90 Sad but Optimistic old HILL fighter

  102. i’m sure sombody posted this from no quarter, but i’m not going
    back to check!!!
    *****************************************************

    Here are the words of TexasDarlin, who just sent this in an e-mail to our family of NoQuarter writers, who are all, to a one, staying strong and fighting on:

    Does NOT release her delegates!

    She was reading a speech that was politically necessary.

    We have TWO months to reverse this travesty.

    Back to work, people

  103. moonpluto: do you think it would serve any useful purpose to send letters to each of the major newworks accusing them of failing to vet bambi and forcing a worse than bush imposter on the country?

    Goddamn it I am starting to feel bad like I have lost a girl friend. I know she will be there fighting for us as always, but I will sure miss seeing her on the computer every day. Meanwhile I cant tell you how sick and tired I am of the sight and sound of Obama and his mindless banter.

  104. sorry folks…DNC RALLY FOR DEMOCRACY IN DENVER WEBSITE DOWN for a bit

    FDRJim is out of town and wasn’t ready for the email!

    LOL!

    Will repost when it is back up

    sorry about the confusion!

    Norma

    Off to the pool now and drink a beer for 2012

  105. If that tape really does exist, wouldn’t it make better sense to release it earlier? One week, before the GE seems like it would be too late.

  106. This is posted over on camille424.wordpress.com

    ginaswo June 7, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Giulianai has the tape!!!!!

    Dole has it too??

  107. well I can’t stop crying. To think that this wonderful candidate has been bypassed .. it’s hideous. I don’t know how they go on after what has been done to them. I notice they all wore dark colors .. I guess they are mourning the party we all knew at one time too. I hope they won’t work for waffles too hard. He doesn’t deserve their support

  108. Could a woman really serve as Commander-in-Chief? Well, I think we answered that one.
    ———————————————-
    Did we? If you put that question to the American People the answer was a resounding yes. But if you put that same question to the corrupt dnc and the spineless superdeleats then lest we forget the answer was a resounding no. And more is the pity for that.

  109. Yes, Hillary is the peoples choice. Waffles is the bigwhigs choice,

    How do I get over this .. I don’t think I’ve ever been this hurt.

  110. So how do we get our personal info wiped from the hillaryclinton.com databanks?

    They have my real name, phone, credit card, etc.

    1950democrat/at/gmail/com

  111. Yes, dot48.

    And think of the hurt to the country, too. What an opportunity to have missed for an incredible president.

  112. dot48

    we’ll get through this by taking action and standing firm against the “unity” shit. for starters, i signed on to citizens for McCain this morning.

    i truly believe we’re in for some amazing fireworks this summer at the expense of saint obama and his lovely wife. just think how much fun it will be!

    now, i’m going to pour myself a very cold corona, drop in a lime and enjoy this summer day. if you were here, i’d pour one for you. keep the faith. things are gonna change sooner than later.

  113. Hi Everyone–

    Just a few quick thoughts if I may.

    There are many, many ideas as to the most effective way to broadcast our disapproval of the actions taken by the DNC, Democratic party and media.

    So, I’ve been thinking….What are our two goals?
    From your emails and our discussions (always delightful to talk to my favorite people in the world that I’ve never actually met :-D;
    most of us want two things:
    Hillary as our nominee and President
    No Obama

    So, what’s the most effective way to reach our goals?
    Meet with McCain.
    It’s a platitude that actions speak louder than words. But meeting with McCain—and telling the press he’s our number 2 choice– will speak loudly to the DNC.
    More loudly, I believe, than all the rallies, protests or letter-writing campaigns we could muster.
    If this causes the SD’s to reconsider Obama at the convention (remote, I admit but possible)–we haven’t given anything away. McCain’s still our #2 choice (after HRC)
    If they don’t, we have a strategy and a coalition for how McCain can beat Obama.

    We are setting up a webcast with senator McCain next weekend. Whoever wants to (or can) to meet in DC. Anyone else to participate via internet….

    This is it, guys. This is the way to let them know we’re serious. I know, it feels kind of dangerous.
    Let’s do it anyway.

    Who is in?
    spabeles@patriot.net

  114. S: “let’s all just keep the faith…Hillary knows what she is doing…”

    Actually after Hillary’s speech today, I do believe that now and have more confidence than ever.

  115. This is it, guys. This is the way to let them know we’re serious. I know, it feels kind of dangerous.
    Let’s do it anyway.

    Well yeah, it kind of does. But the more I’ve been mulling over the idea of hooking up with McCain, the more I’ve come to believe that this might actually be a VERY good thing in terms of moving BOTH parties more to the center.

    Call me crazy, but I’m going for it.

  116. confloyd Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
    I found the information on no quarter in the comments. The commentators says the tape is real and Bob Dole has it and will not release it until 1 week before the general.

    Where was this comment in Noquarter.

  117. wbboei:

    Could a woman really serve as Commander-in-Chief? Well, I think we answered that one.
    ———————————————-
    Did we? If you put that question to the American People the answer was a resounding yes. But if you put that same question to the corrupt dnc and the spineless superdeleats then lest we forget the answer was a resounding no. And more is the pity for that.

    I was thinking more about the speech and believe now that what you just stated is what Hillary wants the public to realize. I think she was just being subtle about it. Let’s face it she had to be subtle about everything…except saying Obama’s name over and over. I am still smiling at that one.

  118. Not every superdelegate yields to the Chicago style extortion of bambi and his dnc stooges. Here is an example of someone who puts the interests of the American People ahead of his/her own partisan interests. The latest example of profiles in courage. If this super is willing to hold the line then we should be willing to do so as well. Here are the words of a great American:
    ———————————————–

    Thank you for your message. I am a super delegate pledged to support Hillary Clinton. I am doing everything in my power to get her elected. I will stay with her until she releases her delegates.

    I am receiving 40 to 50 e-mails daily in support of Hillary. I try to answer them all if only briefly. If every delegate reads and pays attention to the letters that I am receiving, it should bring them over to Hillary’s side. Thank you for your work on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

  119. This is in response to Blue Democrat. I read here a lot and post from time to time. I am not a Bot and those who know me would find that laughable. I share your anger about Hillary not being the nominee. Since you don’t know me, you have no way of knowing how deeply hurt and angry I am. I did not intend to irritate you with my comments. I thought and still think that your attack on Charlie Rangle was not right. Yes he called for Hillary to give up, but if you read the Politico article from 6/5/08, you will see that she has high regard for his advice and in fact, he put himself on front street to keep other African Americans from bolting from her earlier. It has been reported here and elsewhere that many African American politicians were under intense pressure to desert Hillary including threats of challengers being put up against them in the next election. According to some reports, that was one of the issues Hillary wanted to discuss with Obama before suspending her campaign.

    The fact that you do not know who I am does not automatically mean I am an enemy or my facts are incorrect. I am not always right and we can agree to disagree, but I have been and continue to be a supporter of Hillary.

  120. MEANWHILE OVER AT NOQUARTER!!!!

    An Update on the Michelle Obama Rant

    By Larry Johnson on June 7, 2008 at 2:08 PM in Current Affairs
    The recording that shows Michelle Obama saying disparaging things about white folks is for real. It is not part of some elaborate dirty trick. The people who have seen her comments describe it as “stunning” or “devastating.” I have not spoken directly with the people who have seen the tape, but I have spoken to two of my friends who are friends with those who watched the tape/dvd.
    Are they playing me? No, but it is a valid question to ask. Two of my sources, who have recounted the reactions of their friends who have seen the Michelle “performance,” live on opposite sides of the United States geographically and politically. They do not know each other and had no way of knowing that each of them was talking to me. This is one reason I believe the report of the “tape” is true.
    I also have learned that Obama campaign knew about this “tape” at least two weeks prior to my first blog item on the matter. And they are not laughing it off as a joke. (Note to Barack: There are leaks in your campaign.) Ben Smith’s report on the matter only tells part of the story.
    The woman from McClatchy who dared ask the question was verbally assaulted by Obama aides. She was treated as if she had made a death threat.
    Then there is the matter of the email/disinformation campaign the Obama folks are trying. First they sent some of their bloggers an email claiming that Michelle said “WHY DID HE” rather than use the pejorative, “WHITEY.” And now the excuse is being circulated that somehow I, or someone else, is cribbing from some silly book I have never heard of until now. A campaign does not react this way to a fabrication.
    I apologize for any confusion generated from our effort to get on top of this. We made the mistake of putting up the claims from Hillbuzz, but have no way of verifying Hillbuzz’s claim that it is a recording that features Michelle Obama with the wife of Louis Farrakhan. That is not what the sources who have seen the “tape” have reported to me.
    The sources who have seen the tape report that Michelle says disparaging things about “whites” and that Louis Farrakhan is visible. There is no identifying information on the segment they have seen to identify the location or time when this was recorded.
    Why does this “tape” of Michelle Obama matter? The folks who have it are working to elect John McCain. They are using it now to raise money for a 527 effort that will attack Barack Obama. I am told that they fully intend to keep this “off-the-market” until after the Democratic Convention. The Republicans involved with this believe that Barack Obama is a more beatable candidate than Hillary Clinton and see the tape as reinforcing an image of racial division that will hurt Obama.
    I support Hillary Clinton for President. I believe she will be a stronger candidate. And if I had the tape I would put it out in a heartbeat. Getting the tape out now does one of two things–either it persuades Super Delegates that Barack is not electable or it gives the Obama campaign time to repair the damage.
    I now appreciate somewhat how Cofer Black, the head of the CIA’s Counter Terrorism Center, must have felt as he tried to warn Condaleeza Rice and the Bush White House about a brewing terrorist attack in the days leading up to September 11th. And please, I am not equating the Michelle tape with the attacks of 9-11. Rather I am focused on the point of what happens when someone has incomplete information, which warns about a future event, and tries to raise the alert. Just because Cofer Black could not say in late July 2001 that the coming attack would be carried out by 19 hijackers on four commercial airliners did not mean his intelligence was wrong.
    Those who want to vilify me for having the audacity to raise this warning can have at it. I ran up against similar attacks and skeptics in May of 2003 when I warned that the Bush Administration had cooked the intelligence on Iraq. It is only now that we get a Senate Intelligence Committee Report and a book from Scott McClellan confirming what I said five years ago.
    I caught more heat in October of 2003 when I defended Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer. Again, we had to wait until the trial of Scooter Libby to learn that the claims she was just a glorified secretary were lies. And once again Scott McClellan, Bush’s former Press Secretary, confirms that he was lied to as well about Valerie’s status and who was involved in spreading her name around town.
    My efforts on those two issues earned me the enmity of many on the political right. On at least two separate occasions the Wall Street Journal editorial page attacked me by name and accused me of being part of a CIA effort to sabotage the policies of President Bush. Those charges were repeated and amplified in a subsequent book by Kenneth Timmerman,
    Shadow Warriors
    .
    Now it is some on the left who are attacking me and behaving in the same manner as those who rejected my reports on Iraq and Valerie Plame. Now I am a Republican tool. Here’s a small, but representative sample of the “love” letters coming my way:
    From: KC Broberg
    Sent: Jun 6, 2008 7:17 PM
    To: Larry Johnson
    Subject: WHERE IS THE VIDEO BIG SHOT?
    more lies from mr. johnson it appears. no video on whitey? shocker
    keep up the good work – swift boating is really going to work well this time…..
    or this
    On 6/6/08 9:57 AM, “Ben Bulloch” wrote:
    Crawl in a hole and bury yourself. You fucking toolbag.
    and finally:
    On 6/6/08 12:49 PM, “Alejandro Queral” wrote:
    On May 26, you wrote in your blog: “I know for a fact that Barack and Michelle Obama would like the tape of her blasting “whitey” during a rant at Jeremiah Wright’s church to never see the light of day.”
    Really? If that’s the case, where’s the video? You and I know that if such a video exists it would have appeared on YouTube by now. But the truth seems to be there’s no such tape not because it hasn’t appeared on the web but because you can’t even keep your story straight. If you knew anything for a fact, your story would at least be consistent. I especially love how your sources are “all Republicans with access to knowledge but who do not know each other.” How convenient. But you and I also know that most insiders with access tend to know, or know of, each other. I suspect you made this up to cover your ass: since you name no names and you say the Republican insiders don’t know each other, there’s no way for anyone to disprove you. How clever. I’m also amazed at the bold face lie you tell your readers: that Michelle Obama was at Trinity Church when she made the speech, only to recant later and admit that you “do not know where this [the alleged panel discussion] occurred.”
    Please stop using your blog to spread lies and rumors. It is not making this country any better.
    Alejandro Queral
    Now for the shocker. If the election comes down to a choice between John McCain and Barack Obama I will vote for Bob Barr. I live in Maryland and my state is very likely to vote overwhelmingly for Barack. I continue to believe that Barack is not qualified by experience or temperament to be President. I will be happy to be proved wrong on that count. But, if elected, he is likely to revive memories of the failed Presidency of Jimmy Carter. How apropos that Jimmy endorsed Barack.
    And I cannot support John McCain, who is staffing his national security team with many of the bozos who were instrumental in bringing us the debacle in Iraq. Of particular concern is Randy Scheunemann. A confidant of Douglas Feith, Scheunemann represents a continuation of the disastrous Bush policies in the Middle East. I’ll devote more time later to these issues.
    Let me conclude with this–I think there is at least one tape/recording that will be released sometime after the August convention and is likely to be very damaging to the Barack Obama presidential campaign. While I hope that Super Delegates wake up and realize that Hillary is their best shot for victory in the fall, I realize I am swimming upstream. So word to Barrack and team–the tape is coming at some point and you folks better be ready to deal with it because, unlike the situations with Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger, you cannot divorce your wife in the middle of a campaign.

  121. Posted taken from savagepolitics.com

    Very Well Said

    , the presidency is primarily a symbol of who we are as Americans and what values we hold dear. Obama OPENLY sells the glorification of empty change, false hopes, blatant inexperience (as if it were a virtue!), arrogance, and cultural elitism. John McCain OPENLY sells honor, patriotism, dignity, respect, humility, service, strength, and sacrifice (in his case LITERALLY). Even if we didn’t have a right to look “under the hood” of these candidacies, the RIGHT choice should be quite OBVIOUS.

    In all of these issues the Democratic Party has failed it’s own members, and now it is time to teach the world a strong lesson about how true democracy works. The line HAS been drawn, and this war MUST be fought by all of us. Barack Hussein Obama, his corrupt Democratic lackeys, and their corporate Media stooges CAN NOT be allowed to take control of our elections and freely choose our symbols. This November, we will save ALL of our citizens from making an even bigger mistake than the one made in the year 2000. This November, they will know the TRUE meaning of strength and dignity.

  122. Fine Virago, then I certainly feel your pain 🙂

    My not recognizing your screen name didn’t for me detract from the substance of your comments, and it was ONLY the substance which
    I addressed.

    You still want me to believe Charlie Rangel couldn’t see this for the ABSOLUTE CHARADE it is, I NEVER WILL.
    They were under pressure? No kidding & so fucking what?!

    What, Rangel was afraid he’d lose HIS re-election? After all these years, he can’t find the gumption to do what is CLEARLY the right thing – for Hillary and his country?!

    NYCMax,
    What’s your theory? I have a few myself.

    “Is it just me, or dose she look like she has compartmentalized this?”

    Totally, that’s what I saw to. Planted her feet and did it.
    Someday we may even find out why….

  123. Hillary or McCain
    InboxX

    Reply to all
    Forward
    Reply by chat
    Filter messages like this
    Print
    Add to Contacts list
    Delete this message
    Report phishing
    Report not phishing
    Show original
    Show in fixed width font
    Show in variable width font
    Message text garbled?
    Why is this spam/nonspam?
    Paula Abeles
    show details 1:10 AM (13 hours ago) Reply

    Hi Everyone–

    Just a few quick thoughts if I may.

    There are many, many ideas as to the most effective way to broadcast our disapproval of the actions taken by the DNC, Democratic party and media.

    So, I’ve been thinking….What are our two goals?
    From your emails and our discussions (always delightful to talk to my favorite people in the world that I’ve never actually met :-D;
    most of us want two things:

    Hillary as our nominee and President
    No Obama

    So, what’s the most effective way to reach our goals?
    Meet with McCain.
    It’s a platitude that actions speak louder than words. But meeting with McCain—and telling the press he’s our number 2 choice– will speak loudly to the DNC.
    More loudly, I believe, than all the rallies, protests or letter-writing campaigns we could muster.
    If this causes the SD’s to reconsider Obama at the convention (remote, I admit but possible)–we haven’t given anything away. McCain’s still our #2 choice (after HRC)
    If they don’t, we have a strategy and a coalition for how McCain can beat Obama.

    If I were to set this up—a meeting with Senator McCain and HRC supporters—perhaps in DC—perhaps somewhere else (Tell me where).
    Would you guys come and how many people could you bring? We would need some numbers to make this real.

    This is it, guys. This is the way to let them know we’re serious. I know, it feels kind of dangerous.
    Let’s do it anyway.

    Here is an e-mail that I received from a Clinton supporter

    Who is in?

    😀
    Paulie Abeles
    (smile’s back…)

    P.S.
    Most of the issues we (potentially) have with McCain are resolved by the Democratic congress we will certainly have. No radical Supreme Court appointments and Obama has already said he probably won’t be able to get out of Iraq in his first term anyway. McCain is only running for one term. Then, HRC in 2012.

  124. While my heart broke for Hillary .. it broke even more for Chelsea and for US .. Americans who picked her and we LOSE. Nothing like having another election stolen .. but who’d have thunk our own party would do it.

    I hope Donna Brazil and the whole DNC get ass cancer. That’s mean but they have tried to smother Hillary and kill Bill with vile remarks for the whole campaign

    I will NEVER support obama and I will also punish all the down ticket dems for this THEFT.

    NEVER FORGET HILLARY .. WE CHOSE YOU .. NOT OBAMA

    NEVER FORGET HILLARY, YOUR ARE THE ELECTED NOMINEE

  125. admin,

    This is the breaking news i’ve been waiting for today!!!

    Terrific! Per WBZTV

    O’Reilly To Challenge Kerry In Primary Battle
    LOWELL (AP) ― Senator John Kerry will have a challenger in the Democratic primary for the first time since taking federal office 23 years ago.

    Gloucester attorney Edward O’Reilly got the needed 15 percent of the vote from party leaders Saturday to earn a spot on the ballot.

    Kerry supporters hoped to deny O’Reilly a run.

    Few think O’Reilly could beat Kerry, but O’Reilly’s candidacy would force Kerry to campaign more this summer. And it could embarrass Kerry, depending on how much support O’Reilly gets.

    O’Reilly said he supported Kerry during the 2004 presidential election. But he said he’s running because Kerry has not been strong enough in his opposition to the Iraq War, or his support for gay marriage.

  126. Coward dean just sent an email……. talking about the pain the loss…….boo hoo and we need to unify
    here is what i had to say in return.

    dr. “Coward” dean

    I am appalled by the behavior & lack of behavior from the democrat party leaders!!
    The democrat party no longer shares my values and morals or things that I stand for.

    I am informing you that I am not to be led so easily like sheep to slaughter
    I will be working diligently and donating all my extra $$$ for John McCain
    now that you and the rest of your DNC high jacking elites have done your deeds.

    You sir, are sadly mistaken if you think that WE (the “OLD” Democrats whom the DNC thru under the bus) will come back to
    Vote for Obama , we’ll just see how far your new found D-party members take you
    And we’ll just see how much $$ Obama get you….I hear your having trouble securing
    The convention site in Denver as I type….now that gives me something to smile about! 

    Obama, He is the most unelectable piece of garbage the DNC has in US history thrown at us
    and tried to shove down our throats!

    We will not forget, We will not be led back to the fold with empty rhetoric, We will not vote for Obama!

    You chose Obama, You rigged the primary for your MAN in broad daylight for all to see, it will be next to
    Impossible for you to spin it any other way to save your souls.

    We choose Hillary or McCain

    We are not able to be Bamboozled, Hood winked or okie doked by the DNC or Obama!!

    We will now destroy your Manchurian Candidate between now and November so that John McCain
    Will be President of the united states of America!!!

    Now that is something You sir can take that to the bank!

  127. Idunn Says:
    June 7th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    But the more I’ve been mulling over the idea of hooking up with McCain, the more I’ve come to believe that this might actually be a VERY good thing in terms of moving BOTH parties more to the center.

    Yep. Like the moron who moved from Texsa to Oklahoma and increased the average IQ of both states.

  128. Ben Hogan is a cult figure among serious golfers even to this day. He was half Irish and half American Indian. He had piercing blue eyes, few words and you hardly ever saw him without a cigarette. He mastered the mental aspects of the game like no golfer before him. And his book the Fudamentals of Modern is still the bible of the USGA. But first and foremost he was a player. His balls striking ability was comparable to Tiger with inferior golf equipment. He and Snead dominated the scene in through the 50’s. If you were playing competition in those days he was your worst nightmare.

    He started a golf company in the early 50’s, and was extremely proud of his product line of clubs and golf balls which are now collectors items. One day a young golfer from south africa named Gary Player called him up and requested a lesson. Player went on and on about how he had lost all feel for his golf swing, needed to get ready for the US Open and desparately needed a lesson.

    Whereupon Hogan asked him a question: what kind of golf clubs do you play? Player responded: Shakespeare golf clubs with graphite shafts. Whereupon Hogan responded then go ask mr. shakespeare for a lesson.

    This past week I received a phone call from my Congressman. I had written him a letter on behalf of Hillary and that I suspect is why he called. He was looking for guess what ($). He had endorsed Hillary and gave me the song and dance about we have got to turn things around etc. which is true enough but it is starting to get old. I told him to check back in 6 months.

    Yesterday I see he defected to Obama–despite my letter of encouragement. Sure as the earth turns he will ask me for help and what do you suppose I will say? No, I won’t say go ask Mr. Shakespeare for a lesson. What I will say instead is go ask the Illinois Combine-they are running your party now.

  129. admin,

    more on why we need to beat turncoat kerry. Read a piece on clintondem

    Kerry supporters hoped to deny O’Reilly a run.
    Few think O’Reilly could beat Kerry, but O’Reilly’s candidacy would force Kerry to campaign more this summer. And it could embarrass Kerry, depending on how much support O’Reilly gets.

    O’Reilly said he supported Kerry during the 2004 presidential election. But he said he’s running because Kerry has not been strong enough in his opposition to the Iraq War, or his support for gay marriage.

    One Kerry apologist has the most laughable and ridiculous reason to urge MA democrats to deny Ed O’Reily a spot on the primary ballot.

    Per ‘blue mass group’

    So where do we want John Kerry to spend that time — here in Massachusetts, where his victory in a putative primary is all but a foregone conclusion, or in battleground states fighting to keep John McCain out of the White House and fighting to bring our troops home from Iraq? I choose Option 2

    This is one more reason turncoat Kerry apologists have given for us to beat him in a primary fight in September. Ed O’Reilly’s achievement is of no small feat, it is the first primary challenger Kerry has to face in 25+ years!

    Vote Ed O’Reilly, and Keep turncoat Kerry at bay!

  130. admin,

    LOWELL – Gloucester attorney Ed O’Reilly got enough support from party officials today to ensure that he will give US Senator John F. Kerry his first Democratic primary challenge in 24 years.

    At the state Democratic Party convention at the Paul E. Tsongas Arena, O’Reilly got 22.5 percent of the 2,574 ballots cast, more than the 15 percent he needed to secure a spot on the primary ballot. Kerry got the majority of votes, which means he’ll get the party’s endorsement.

    “Party officials said this campaign is a nuisance. And it is. It’s a total nuisance,” O’Reilly said to the convention floor. “Democracy is a nuisance. People said the American Revolution was a nuisance — and it was!”

    Kerry, in his fourth six-year term, last had a serious challenge in 1996, from Governor William F. Weld, a Republican. He hasn’t had a primary opponent since 1984, when Kerry and three other Democrats ran for a seat vacated by Paul Tsongas.

    Few predict the sitting senator will be vulnerable in a primary race. But it could mean more campaigning this summer – and marks an embarrassment that a former presidential candidate was unable to thwart the challenge from O’Reilly.

    The former city councilor and commercial lobsterman had met all the other requirements to secure a spot on the primary ballot, including meeting with party officials, attending scores of local meetings to introduce himself, and gathering 10,000 signatures.

    But his highest hurdle was garnering 15 percent of the vote from party leaders today — a requirement Kerry worked to try to prevent.

    Kerry took the stage to the sounds of Bruce Springsteen. He was joined by his wife, Teresa Heinz, and his daughter Vanessa.

    “I’m here with humility to ask for your support,” Kerry said. “We have literally so much unfinished business … My friends, I have more energy, I feel more focused, I’m more ready for the fight than ever before.

    “I ask for your trust and confidence to go back to the senate and help make our country right again.”

    In the general election, the winner between Kerry and O’Reilly would face Republican Jeff Beatty, a 55-year-old Army veteran from Harwich.

    Republican Jim Ogonowski, who was his party’s favored candidate, failed on Tuesday to qualify for the GOP primary ballot, delivering 30 signatures shy of the 10,000 he needed.

    Ogonowski, a 50-year-old Dracut farmer who lost a Congressional bid to Niki Tsongas last year, issued a statement Friday saying he would leave the race.

  131. According to the AP .. 300 superdelegates switched from Clinton to Obama today.

    They are VERY afraid she plans to gear up again for Denver.

    Why do this now? Hardens me even further. They got her to suspend and endorse and now they want to continue to strip her. WHY?

  132. marie3548 I am with you on this – BIG BIG BIG, maybe even on Ellen’s or Greta’s show as opposed to Oprah. I will manage to be there by hook or crook.

    I am a participant at blog.pumapac.org, and ask that y’ll go check it out – its goals. PUMA stands for Prarty Unity My Ass and it is a PAC and a 527, the 527 is very important. Please Hillaryis44, join forces with PUMA or PUMA join forces with Hillaryis44…..time is of the essence.

  133. Anyone know who people outside the state can help O’Reilly? Does he have a website? We need to FIRST and FOREMOST try to help him beat Kerry.

    Come on Hillsters ..this gives me hope. Yes we can start to take then down one at a time.

    Bet the weasel asks Hill to help him with the WOMEN vote.

  134. there are way more pledged delegates from the primaries than there are SD

    I would like to think there is buyers remorse with some obama delegates and let’s not forget all those UNCOMMITTED delegates going to convention could land in her pile too

    anyone know the total “uncommitted” delegates from all primaries and caucus??

  135. marie-thanks for that posting. They are doing some fine work over there at Savage Politics. Texan posted an excellent piece from them as well yesterday.

  136. dot48 ,

    he does have a terrific site. search his name under google. admin also posted the link before. He can mount a serious challenge to Kerry, just to keep him in MA. I’m so sick and tired of having to see him everywhere.

  137. Ronald Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    BBC reports:

    The triumph of misogyny over merit.
    ———————————————
    Where do we get the full text. The world is rendering a verdict on the dnc and suppine supers as well and it aint pretty. We should innundate them with this stuff.

    spega: if you are around this one is worth chasing.

  138. Now that she has suspended though will she still work for those delegates? I know Chelsea was somewhere yesterday with delegate count … can Hill still work for those or would she be seen as a traitor?

    I respect Hill’s endorsement for the party but I don’t think her heart was in it .. she knows she is better qualified and is being denied the nomination.

    Remember Bill Clinton said that her securing the nomination would be a LOT harder than the election .. he knew things.

  139. Can I ask if anyone here knows of any candidate who openly endorsed on their own website another candidate .. like Hill has done today. Ive know other candidates to pull out and endorse but doesn’t this seem extreme. I know party unity and all but it just seems unseemly to me.

    I know as a Hill supporter if offends me .. I think we should be able to make up our own mind without having to be asked to sign a form to show support for him

    Hillary is being held hostage because she dared to try to break the glass ceiling.

    Just makes me sadder.

    I need to get a life. Really

  140. Ronald Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    BBC reports:

    The triumph of misogyny over merit.

    Where did you get that???

  141. Why can’t we post on the DNC blog of our voting straight Republican ticket due the stealing of the election?

  142. Here is a great site that is going to be getting some National attention …

    Let them know you plan NO vote for bambi

    democrats-against-obama.org/

    They are taking names right now. Sign up and be heard.

    We cannot let this go. Next week our stance has to be as hard as it is now.

  143. I am even more disgusted and disillusioned after visiting HRC’s site.

    On the front page, left, is a statement to sign-up to support Waffles.

    I filled out the form and added my comments of non-support for BO and was directed to a CONTRIBUTE NOW page!!!!!!

    WTF!!!!!!! If she’s raising money for that Prick I will have lost ALL respect for her! Someone please tell me it’s not true!

    👿

  144. I just asked earlier if it was un precedented for someone to IMMEDIATELY endorse openly on their website.

    Hillary is doing what she has to do.

    Just don’t sign up .. but then again I signed XXX ))), anywhere USA and told them I’d never vote for the fraud.

    Hillary is so gracious .. I just can’t sign up for him. Hillary has ALWAYS said though that she’d work her heart out for him .. she is keeping her word. I have always said I would not vote for him and I won’t.

    I was really hoping she’d be able to take this to the floor but the newly controlled party of Obamapups will not allow her to .. she is working with her hands tied once again.

    I’m ready for her to just walk away .. but she made it clear today she would be there fighting for us.

    I will always support Hillary .. when will she come up for Senate election again? Maybe we can work and make her 100% of the vote in her Senate campaign. Just as a vote of confidence.

    She really never got to enjoy a victory during the primary. I hope she pulls one tonight, kicks back and lets loose. This campaign has made me want to drink.

  145. There are things we can do to turn this around:

    1. Ensure that people who supported Obama (elected officials) are voted out.

    2. Continue to NOT donate money to the DNC

    3. Take the party back – the Democrat Party – not the Elites’ Party – by:

    a. Fighting that ALL states have its’ say (Like Hillary did)
    b. Fighting that ALL states have primaries and get rid of cacuses
    c. No more DNC having its say, it should be the People

    4. Clear and Loud visibility that we will not go for Obama by voting McCain, or not voting at all.

    5. Going to the Republican Party and share with the Republican Party what we’ve shared with the Democratic Party

  146. Just received this e-mail

    If interested contact
    Spabeles@patriot.net

    We’re doing it.

    Paula Abeles
    show details 1:59 PM (2 hours ago) Reply

    Okay guys–
    We’re doing it.
    Senator McCain is out west next weekend but they’re trying to set up a webcast—
    perhaps a group of us will meet in DC and anyone else that wants to can participate in the webcast via internet…

    Details to follow…

    Paulie Abeles

  147. i wonder how the McCainiacs are handling the recent (massive) infestation of bots on their site. went on today and noticed many of the “used to be for hillary, but now for McCain” phony guises.

    they have their work cut out for them. with HRC suspending, this week will be their baptism of fire.

  148. justme, I would like to add a number 6:

    Donate directly to the good pols who have supported Hillary. There were some at her speech today.

  149. Dot,

    I can’t continue to support her if she’s endorsing and financially soliciting for him.

    I just can’t do it. I won’t do it. I’m crushed by this. She could have turned her back, rejected the DNC order. She doesn’t need the money, she doesn’t need the Senate, she’s established an important precedent for other women, she’s broken through the barrier. For her to now support that disgusting, woman-hating, sexist, racist POS and what’s worse, scrounging for financial contributions on his behalf is nauseating.

  150. I don’t think the “contribute” button is for him. She still has to raise money to pay off her campaign debts.

  151. basil, I think she has done what she needs to do in order to live to fight another day for the people she cares about.

    She’s been treated as no other candidate has been treated — lots of others have gone to the convention. I don’t blame her for any of it.

  152. So what’s the link for “Citizens for McCain” or whatever Lieberman calls it?

    As somone said, this seems like a good day to get on their rolls.

  153. basil

    no one in their right-fucking-mind will contribute to BO. she knows that. all smoke and mirrors.

  154. Basil, you need to try to understand where HRC is coming from. She’s devoted her entire adult life to the Democratic Party. She’s made a name for herself, established herself, and from that been able to help ALOT of people. You don’t just throw all that away by turning your back on the party. THIS IS HER CAREER, let’s not forget that.

    She is playing the game for some greater good, in my opinion. It’s HER life, and HER choice. We need to respect that.

  155. What is it about elections that turn educated adults into moronic children?

    1. Who decided on caucuses and why haven’t they been banned?
    2. Who designed the ‘butterfly ballot’?
    3. Why can’t anyone find a tamper-proof voting machine?
    4. Who assigns precincts so that some have a 4-hour wait?
    5. Why are hundreds or thousands of registered voters left off the rolls every year?
    6. Why are Tuesdays the only voting day in most states and in the general election?
    7. Why aren’t voting practices and methods the same in all 50 states?
    8. Who thought voting was so unimportant that they gave the job to Katherine Harris and how many more of her are there?

    And now, I just got the voter registration form to change my party affiliation. I am a Stanford graduate with a very high IQ and I can’t figure out how to fold the form. You need to be an origami expert to work this out. There is a ‘fold here’ instruction an inch from the fold already made and the heavy paper doesn’t allow you to ignore the old fold. WHO DESIGNED THIS????

    This is just a tip of the incompetent iceberg. We need a competent leader like Bill Clinton who, with Al Gore, solved many of these things. Let’s see. Who could we find that has this competent thing down cold? How about Hil…..oh no, that’s right, not now. We’ll get to competence later. Right now we have a terrific speaker and a man and an AA and if he can’t even keep his stories straight, never mind.
    4 more years of incompetence with BO. Comedians can hardly wait.

  156. citizens for McCain is located on his website. johnmccain.com. it was set up by joe leiberman, if you can stomach that… 🙂

  157. I think she knows deep down Obama is not ready and it is the DNC who has gotten themselves in this big mess. She has made her platform greater by being able to have a stronger platform to run on in 2012.

  158. Has anyone yet signed up with Citizens For McCain? If so, can you give me some more info? I’d like to know what I’m getting into before I register. Thanks.

  159. Idunn

    i signed up this morning, but nuttin’ happened. i will be your guinea pig and let you know if i hear anything. hopefully i won’t have an onslaught of repugs knocking at my door!

  160. I signed up .. they just got my name .. I’ve gotten nothing from them yet that I know of

    I repeat .. we really MUST do this FOR Hillary. She can’t do it because she wants to continue to fight for us. WE CAN DO IT .. we can defeat the bambi and then Hillary can step up for 2012.

    Look at a vote for McCain as insurance for a Hillary run in 2012. And they can’t hold the supreme court hostage over us .. look, the dems have had control now for 2 fucking years and they have done NOTHING. It’s time to yield power back to the Repubs .. and let the dems know that we are tired of being lied to.

    Pelosi. Reid, Bambi .. nothing but liars. Dean is a turd.

  161. I read somewhere that Rezko wanting to start his prison ASAP! I wonder why? I wonder if he is in jail now or will he go soon?

  162. plural,
    On the left is a statement about Waffles and a link to sign up to support him. When you click on the link it takes you to a contribute page. That’s what I’m disgusted about, not the regular HRC contribute link now on the right side of the home page. .
    Alcina, idunn, i know she’s a politician and it’s her career but there are times principals mean more than anything else and IMHO, this is one of them.
    She should just walk away. By giving in to even more bullying she’s acting the part of the victim. i can’t condone that. Don’t get me wrong. I have applauded and cheered everything she’s done . . . until now.
    Time for a walk. it’s been 90+ all day and the temperature’s finally going down. Will be back later.

  163. Idunn: I just put my name on a list, but I haven’t heard anything. I think, you can indicate, how would like to help the campaign.

  164. Basil, Dot, whoever said you are not able to continue….is that not what the DNC/RBC/Brazile/Pelosi/Reid/Dean machine WANT you to do? It is not time to get mad, or give up, but time to get EVEN. Give up only if want our country to suffer – in four more years with BO, you will not even recognize your country.Reach down, and pull yourself up by your bootsraps.We are strong. We are invincible. We are still for Hillary.
    Hillary has been strongarmed and threatened to do exactly what she HAD to do.SHE HAD TO DO IT, no telling what threats she got. Remember the intimidatio of the Hillary caucus workers, the intimidation of OB verbally assaulting Lieberman and towering over him against the wall, remember when SD’s that she counted on going over to the dark side – they were strongarmed into it.
    It is time for each of us to give it our all through November, and then to retreat, regroup, and go into the future. Please let’s also work toward getting all these wonderful sites/blogs under one umbrella so there will be greater power through numbers, and there will be less redundancy.I am promiting that they go under the blog.pumapac.org because is is a PAC and a 527 – 527 very very important. FDR and Hillaryis44 are very important and we need them.
    I see some friends postings, hello confloyd, djia, Norma Desmond and others.

  165. short termer,
    I understand your points but how does HRC helping Waffles help us?

    How is chancing the election of a radical, American-hating, BLT believing arrogant unqualified egotistical turd as POTUS a good thing??????

    She should have nothing to do with him or the DNC, IMHO.

    Going out now.

  166. “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her” -Susan B Anthony, 1872.

  167. Well, I think we need to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt, because we do not know what is going ! I feel they are blackmailing her and Bill, but we don’t know that for sure.

    Hillary is no quitter, we just need to let it go and know she is doing the very best she can under the circumstances!

  168. confloyd, he turned himself in ASAP!!

    I would too knowing what the chicago combine is like 😀

    now maybe he will sing??

  169. CNN Polling Director Keating Holland is out of his mind if he doesn’t understand how ‘motivated’ the Clinton supporters are.

    We won the majority of the popular votes — both among registered Dems and among the general primary electorate — and we don’t like the party’s elites going “2000 Illegitimacy” all over again by foisting Bambs on us.

    To paraphrase Tom Petty, we’re not backing down one inch. We’re fighters, like Hillary is.

    What Paula Abeles and others are doing, and as Admin is urging us to do, is the key: Organize and synthesize our efforts with McCain and the GOP. I’ve been posting over at McCain’s official blog and have been in touch with the RNC. And this is just the beginning.

    In a contest between John McCain and Bambi Ofraudma, the choice couldn’t be simpler:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvrRQGcApkw

    War Hero who gave 6 years of his life as a POW for his country vs some Chi-town goofball who Jesse Jackson, Jr. wants to put in the Bible?

    John McCain — next President of the United States.

    Keating Holland: We’re pissed and highly motivated.

    Illegitimate Man is going electorally bye-byes.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  170. I plan to start actively working in John McCain’s campaign. I’ve sent my info.

    I love Hillary but my gut tells me that Obama is gutless and no right for the country .. Hillary is doing what she has to do right now, she has not even had time to get a breathe of air. She has not been able to even celebrate her victories or have staff send offs in a timely fashion.

    My anger is not with her right now. Also, Bambi doesn’t need our $ does he? I thought he had the ultimate money making machine.

    The party as a whole has to pay and I intend to use my power in the booth and my power over the next few months. I don’t agree with everything John McCain but I do think he is more qualifed at this time for our country.

    Never forget the associations of Barack Obama. Hillary has to forget that right now, she is fighting for her political life and she must have that in order to fight for us. We, on the other hand, do not have our hands tied behind our back.

    We can remain strong.

    I also do not for one minute believe that Hillary would accept a vp slot. It’s a do nothing job and she’s a work horse. The only caveat would be give her FULL power on UHC and let her run with it. Bambi has shown no affection for hard work .. he just wants the seat. Hillary would accept vp in order to GET THINGS DONE vs sitting on her ass. That is the kind of woman she is.

  171. dot i am with ya

    ear to the ground i hear obambi hasn’t released his latest FEC report……..i am betting he it will continue to show a big decline in
    campaign donations……his well was drying up in the primary

    but now we are in the general election and who knows what he has collected towards that….. time will tell

    but clearly the DNC isn’t making anything 😀

  172. Here’s the signup for Lieberman’s “Citizens for McCain.”
    h t t p : / / johnmccain.com/citizens/

    I just signed up, all they wanted was email and name. The massive signup today might get some coverage.

    That may help a little, but the GOP doesn’t want Hillary to get the nomionation, so they probably wont’ release any more helpful informaiton to the press till after August.

    I think we need to join and donate to something run by our own side, such as
    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org/
    They will be sure to get plenty of good publicity out when we need it.

  173. the fact that we are going to go forward with a campaign for
    john mccain or what ever, is good.

    but we are several thousand activists around the country, we
    need to get the ‘everyday person’ that thinks something stinks,
    but doesnt know what to do about it, or who really thinks hillary
    is supporting bo now.

    we need to compete with obama bots, for all our lost sheep.
    now more than ever, we need to get our message out to those
    who dont hang on the web like we do.

    thats our problem, to do a shadow campaign, within a campaign..

  174. I just resigned from a committee I am on here with the State Chair. First I get an email which said He hoped I would work with them in November. I told him I was voting for McCain. He then told me Hillary would not want that. I then told him he had stole a delegate from Hillary Clinton, when he knew that the Democrats of NM had given the State to Hillary. I asked him how he could sleep at night. The conversation deteriorated from their.

    So, that is how they will use her. I of course know better. He got the Susan B. Anthony quote also.

  175. Some of my favorite sayings:

    You can’t polish a turd

    Yell out every window – I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore!

    The triumph of misogyny over merit. —I really really like that one.

    I would make horse’s ass awards for our groups to give out, like academy awards. I would call it the Donkey and Dung Awards. The usual offenders would get the Donkey (horses ass award) and the really bad offenders would get the Dung
    award (you know what that is). This could be an annual event and we could have an award party. If the winners do not show up to claim their prize, it could be done on a tv show.

  176. yep, the party will continue to rape her. I have already been talking to people and believe me .. Hillary can say she endorses bambi but they know it’s just a show. Just remind them about the theft and of Rev Wright.

    Also, bambi is trying to strike when the irons hot .. he’s going after us “down scale” voters next week. got news for him .. interest is gone now and he’ll see no bounce.

  177. i also hope people will be able to reach out to their own communities,
    women, gays, latino, asian, labor, minimum wage friends, friends on
    welfare or even homeless…

    we can do outreach, at least we have a little more time…

  178. dot,
    Hillary would accept vp in order to GET THINGS DONE vs sitting on her ass.
    ==========================

    That worries me. I think she could get more done in the Senate. VP would just be tying her up so she couldn’t run in 2012.

    I’ve started two petitions AGAINST Hillary as VP.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillarynovp — for Hillary supporters who do not want her trapped ironing Obama’s shirt

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nohillaryvp — for opponents and supporters who have different reasons for not wanting an Obama/Clinton ticket

  179. I will be honest .. I do not think I can stomach seeing her campaign for him. What I want to know is WHY should she have to campaign so hard for him? I don’t see Richardson, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, etc out there busting their asses. WHY is the party putting it on her that she will HAVE to work her ass off to get him elected .. This is gonna turn off even more people. The media is already trying to turn it into a “she must” get him elected, “she must” turn her voters to him.

    F them. I don’t HAVE to do anything and I hope lots more Hillary supporters will stand with me and NO in November.

  180. hi folks,

    Don’t wrestle with those trivial stuff. We know we’re not going to vote for Waffles, we know we’ll do everything possible to defeat waffles. What Hillary will do or see will have no impact on our resolve and action.

    Per McCain’s official blog, it sounds like McCain’s staffers really really admire Hillary!!

    Senator Clinton has really grown on us over here in Crystal City over the past few months. She ran an impressive campaign, and proved herself to be an impressive candidate and as John McCain has said, inspired a generation of women. Ultimately, and ironically, it seems she fell victim to a vast left-wing conspiracy that resented her generally centrist foreign policy views (early support for the Iraq war, support for Kyl-Lieberman, unwavering support for Israel, etc.).

    And so it was interesting that she barely touched on foreign policy in her concession speech today. She mentioned Iraq only twice, she mentioned terrorism only once, and she didn’t mention Iran at all. After all, her serious approach to each of these issues proved liability in the Democratic primary. She spent years building a strong record on national security, and in the end her party opted for a candidate with no national security experience at all.

    Senator Clinton also didn’t mention John McCain once during her speech. This came as something of a surprise over here, and a pleasant one at that. But it’s clear that John McCain and Hillary Clinton respect each other — and there is a genuine affection for her here at McCain HQ. During her speech there was no small amount of pleading with the TV: ‘Don’t do it, you can still win!’

  181. Today we launch our comeback campaign for 2012!!!!!!

    After all our tears are dried, we can come together and work to defeat the illegitimate candidate!!
    Even tho I still hold out hope for obama to be fu**ed over by many of his unseen scandals yet, and see Hillary as the rightful democratic nominee!

    Did any of you catch what Terry Mac said to John King as he was interviewed by him after her speech??
    When wrapping it up, Terry shot in “Congratulations on the win” !!!! a poke in the ribs to the MSM???
    To which John King smiled/laughed a bit and said “thank you”….. unbelievable, but thanks Terry, your a good guy!

    2012 Hillary Clinton. The Greatest President America Never Had (yet)

  182. Hey Kostern, any follow up as to what they meant with how she can still win?? What’s their view on how?

    *— and there is a genuine affection for her here at McCain HQ. During her speech there was no small amount of pleading with the TV: ‘Don’t do it, you can still win!’*

  183. dont read the comments……. only the diary i love the guts of this supporter to stick it to them daily kool aid drinkers 😀

  184. same with TM they continue to attack Hillary which makes me sick and they expect us to crawl over and support Obama? It should be the Obamabots to come and plead us to support Obama not the other way around.

  185. i would rather them spew their true feelings ( same old shit ) than to start spewing phony honey

    keep em spewing it, it will help OUR cause!!

  186. I think its time the troll tide gets turned around……..don’t you??

    by that i don’t mean to start talking and acting like them……not by a long shot

    but we certainly can start engaging them in conversations when we see them spew the bamboozle called “unity”
    maybe even convert some if we’re really lucky
    but most likely they will just spew what i like to call “recycled money” and anyone who owns a horse knows
    what i am talking about 😀 and that is what we want….. we need to keep hillary supporters angry with obama
    while at the same time expose obama for what he is.

  187. dija: I don’t want to waste my energy on the bots. That is what, they are getting paid to do: engage and distract Hillary supporters.

    Anyone have more details on this Global Poverty Act that waffles has in congress? Apparently, about 850 billion dollars in Aid, which would mostly go to Africa, and raise our gas taxes?

  188. Even if Hillary as VP, I won’t vote for the ticket. For too long, a more competent woman has to play 2nd fiddle to less competent man, NOT THIS YEAR! Hillary at the top or McCain. That’s that!

  189. mccain camp called me today and other dems here in town. dems for mccain they are called -led by dems-. the dem that called me expressed his anger at hillary’s treatment. i spoke to another staff there-they are flooded with hill suporters phone banking etc. they are crafting ways for dems to be part of the mccain coalition. today obama’s folks should have been calling grassroots activists like me-instead the mccain folks are all across america. you tell me.

  190. haven’t read daily kookoo in months, but went at djia’s urging.

    Yuk.

    BTW, what’s with the cat and kitty obsession they have over there?

    can’t really say what I want to for a couple more weeks; but after that, watch out.

    Hawk? Please answer. dam itt…are you going to be in DSM next weekend? you know what I mean…

  191. gone foR a bit…prime rib dinner for me from me, plus 2 or 3 fingers of good bourbon. good thing i live only 1/2 block from the restuarant. and not taking my walker either!

  192. I feel like it’s important not to vote for Obama. I’m not going to help the party disenfranchise and purge itself of its core constituency. If the party poobahs need to learn the hard way that abandoning us was a bad idea then so be it, but a vote for B.O. would just be an agreement with the sentiment that my vote doesn’t matter. I’m not that full of self-loathing.

  193. birdgal

    my only point we can’t let the bots pour on the honey to woo clinton supporters to obama
    and they will try so we need distract them so they will have less chance of it.

  194. @ texanforhillary:

    The way I see it, the B.O. camp is treating us like an abusive boyfriend would. So if the McCain camp calls offering some warmth and understanding and wants to go on a date, I think I have enough self-respect to say “yes” to that.

  195. emkay

    I NEVER read their comments……. I just wanted to point out the diarist and her/his bravery
    and what a great diary it was

    of course vile BO supporters are just that VILE… oh well can’t have everything

    but i feel that diary sent a good message for those supporters going their to see IF they can move into the BO crowd
    as a cross over supporter…

  196. well folks….. I need some time out of the house…….so i am taking my self out on a date tonight to the movies

    hope theirs a good one showing! seems like most movies are junk

    but am hopeful none the less.

    have a good night everyone!

  197. barak went golfing. mccain told me he respects hillary and will work with folks like me to join his coalition. oh and got 5 emails screamingunity from the dnc. mccain i s tryign to earn my vote-dnc is trying to shove it down my throat. earn it.

  198. I don’t know about you my friends, but I have firmly decided – I am not voting for democrats this November. I was for Hillary, but I am not for her party. They show nothing that I want to vote for. So sorry.

  199. leave your comments! obama delegates dissin hillary. keep earning those mccain votes!

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5824089.html

    “When you work so hard for a candidate, it’s awfully difficult to let go right away,” Martinez said. “A great majority of the Hispanic supporters will jump over and support Obama actively. I just don’t know about some of her supporters because they are so passionate and so endearing of her. For some, it might take several months until some of these folks come around.”

    Meanwhile, some Obama supporters were adamant they do not want Clinton on the ticket as his running mate.

    “She will try to overshadow Obama. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, he also will try to overshadow Obama,” Conely said. “I just really think he should pick someone else.”

    Micole Roy of Sugar Land said, “A lot of Barack’s support is based on the fact he is a change agent. But if Hillary is his vice presidential running mate, that sort of contradicts his message.”

    John Yourse, 45, an Obama delegate from Dallas, said he cannot see an Obama/Clinton ticket working.

    “There are candidates who are better suited to be a co-leader. Hillary is better suited to be a leader, not a subordinate leader. There are great positions in the Cabinet where we need her,” Yourse said.

    Yourse said he has been surprised by how upset Clinton delegates are at the convention.

    “What’s disturbing to me is there seems to be a lot of anger from the Clinton supporters, and it doesn’t make any sense,” Yourse said.

    Another Dallas Obama supporter, Liz Cedillo-Pereira, 36, also said she found Clinton delegates angry over Obama’s victory.

    “Obama supporters would have backed her,” Cedillo-Pereira said.

    Cynthia Manuel, a black Clinton delegate from Fort Worth, wore a bright pink

    T-shirt to the convention declaring she will not “get in line” for Obama.

    “I will not vote for him. I don’t trust him,” Manuel said. “I will either write her in or vote for McCain.”

  200. Well, forget which network mentioned it (they didn’t show it) but somebody had a sign right in front of Hillary that said
    “Denver… Don’t Give in to the DNC Coup!”

    I’d really luv to know why she did….

  201. Once we built a railroad
    Made if run
    Made it race against time
    Once we built a raliroad
    Now its done
    Brother can ya spare a dime
    (Song From The Depression)

    How destructive to the U.S. economy would a Barack Obama presidency be?

    An exclusive Newsmax analysis warns: There could be a very rough time ahead.

    Beneath Obama’s flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.

    Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.

    Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.

    In the coming months — when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama’s doubling of the tax rates next year.

    All of these issues and more are explored in Newsmax magazine’s special report “Obamanomics — the Coming Tax-and-Spend Nightmare,” by Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund.

    (Note: author forgets to even mention his trillon dollar give away to Africa)

  202. Just on economic reasons, I will not vote for BO. Our economy cannot take a higher taxation rate, nor a huge giveaway to Africa, which would also raise taxes. Jeez. McCain would not do these things.

  203. Dickie Morris setting the stage on Fox tonight that if something mean comes out on Bambi before the convention it won’t be the Repubs .. it will be Hillary!!! I swear to God this man ought to have the shit beat out of him. Who’s with me in finding somebody to track him down and just pummel his lying, guts out.

    He makes this shit up on the fly.

    And he just said to Colmes .. you hear the rumors …

    That tape is getting ready to hit and hit soon

    How could someone who made his career on a couple turn on them with that vicousness? I hope he gets ass cancer as well

  204. come to think of it .. if Hillary and Bill were so fucking wicked why is DickHead still alive? The gall of that suck ass.

  205. We need to threaten FOX with launching a petition protesting their hiring of a person responsible for having crafted Waffles cousin Odinga’s election strategy which resulted in the murder of over 1000 Kenyan Christians.
    😈
    Blue Dem, i agree. i don’t get WHY she did it, UNLESS DNC and the dems KNOW the other shoe is about to drop on Waffles but if she didn’t suspend her campaign it might look as though she were secretly plotting to send his campaign into a nosedive but having publicly announced her support of him she can’t be held responsible for the inevitable bombshells and then, when she’s offered the nomination, everyone will rally behind her?

    How’s that for optimism? 😉

  206. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-mccain-women-jun06,0,5085404.story

    CAMPAIGN 2008

    Opportunity for McCain among women voters?
    End of Clinton campaign could leave key group up for grabs
    By Jill Zuckman | Washington Bureau
    12:59 AM CDT, June 6, 2008
    Article tools
    E-mail Share
    Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post comment Text size: WASHINGTON — Angling for the backing of women voters, the Obama campaign has created a wide array of support groups: Prime Time Women for Obama, Boomer Women for Obama, Middle-Aged Women for Obama, Women over 50 for Obama and even Obama Mamas.

    But after wrapping up the Democratic nomination in a long and bruising battle against a popular female politician, Sen. Barack Obama will begin his general election push trying to attract women voters who feel a keen sense of disappointment that Sen. Hillary Clinton will not become the first female president next year.

    Those women may be open to hearing what Sen. John McCain has to say, creating an opening for him to make inroads with a group of voters who traditionally lean Democratic.

    “To the extent that McCain can make Obama look like a big risk—make them feel a little leery about the change he might bring about—he might be successful in attracting them,” said Susan Carroll, senior scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “He does have that independent reputation and that reputation of thinking for himself and not necessarily going along with the Republican Party line, which I think a lot of people find appealing

    Interesting article.

  207. Beckel on Fox again tonight and said “unless some scandal” .. he knows something big is going to drop on Wafflehead. Can’t wait

  208. It this tape hits, and I will believe it when I see it, it will really make me wonder about the DNC. I keep seeing some evidence that the O camp knows something about it.

    Then the DNC must know about it. SO HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE WE

    DEAN AND O MUST COME OUT OF THE THE IF I SPEAK YOU WILL LISTEN AND BELIEVE SCHOOL. SOUNDS LIKE THE JONES GROUP.

    American Democrats are smarter than that. I think the DNC and O should drink the Kool Aid first.

  209. If the Clintons had bad stuff on Waffles and planned to use it, don’t you think they would’ve dropped it months ago? Dick Morris’ hatred of the Clintons makes him an embarrassment to all humanity. What a dipshit.

  210. okay plug your ears if you dont like foul language.

    F*CKING SHIT, F*CK F*CK F*CK…

    THAT MCCAIN SITE SUCKS!!!!!!!
    okay i have tried three days in a row to sign on the citizen mccain
    blog and get my id, they keep sending me my confirmation to make
    a new password, but it doesnt work!!!!!
    anybody out there been thru this at citizen mccain?
    oh and can this mother f*cker try and get a new server, you could
    read a whole chapter in a book, while your waiting for the page
    to turn…

  211. The blog is slow, but it is better than it was a month ago, if you can believe it. It needs some serious work. I had no problem with getting an ID for the regular blog. I don’t know, about the Citizen McCain blog.

  212. When I was campaigning in Indiana they had supporter housing and several of us stayed with a couple who were strong Hillary supporters. The wife was a family counsellor, a former political speechwriter and an award winning author. The first letter I wrote to superdelegates-the really good one it was her work.

    She read the speech by Hillary today 3 times and watched it. She thought it was a great speech. Here are a few of the things she noticed that the idiot talking heads probably missed including the judge of small matters Chuck Todd.

    First, the colors in the outfit Hillary was wearing were black and blue. That was designed to communicate the thrashing the party put her through these past few days. She did not have to say it because it was right there for those who were perceptive enough to pick up on it. Also she looked very tired because of what they put her through.

    Second, this was not a concession speech per se. Rather her support for obama was predicated on him following through on certain policy issues which are important to her particularly universal health care insurance. This is probably one of the issues they discussed at Feinsteins house the other day. In that sense the support was conditional.

    Third, she alluded to the role gender played in the election. She referenced the suffragetts and how it took time to achieve those goals. She praised Obama as the nominee but did not speak to the issue of whether he is or is not qualified.

  213. Confloyd ,

    If I recall correctly, you are state convention bound tomorrow or next week.

    Remember what our girl was asking us to do. It did NOT include giving your delegate vote to her “opponent.”

    That vote is a sacred trust, yours to vote, tally, or mark preference for whomever you see fit. DO NOT allow Bo bots to tell you otherwise.

    I really need to know what is going on at other conventions to help me stand strong at ours. Please comment soonest.

    Good luck. Stay strong.

  214. wwobei: Her suit was brown. I agree, with the rest of the analysis. However, I’m not sure that they will give her anything, if past behavior is any indication.

  215. clintons4mccain launches. adkins has been a major hillary grassroots supporters through meetup who i know. she has been on cavuto and ill be on geraldo about her impressive movement against obama. here is the site-
    http://www.clintons4mccain.com/

  216. Yesterday I took on a troll at taylor marsh. Today my comments are being moderated. You can see what is hapening. My comments were civil but anti Obama. You cant fire me I quit.

  217. The DNC and it’s leaders will rue the day they threw Hillary and Bill under the bus. Hillary speech today makes Obama’s pep rallies look juvenile . I will never forgive the DNC, AA’s, and turncoats who showe about as much loyalty as Benedict Arnold.

  218. Hey all

    Whether or not you be an Obama supporter or a McCain supporter – I think we need to work hard in ensuring that the Democrat Party does its’ needed repairs:

    1. Ensuring that ALL states has its say, this was one of Hillary’s strengths. She went all the way until the last two states had its say. I think its imperative to allow ALL states to have their voice heard.

    2. Ensuring that ALL states has primaries. We need to discontinue the caucuses as there are higher risk of fraud. Caucuses are unfair as it’s usually limited in hours whereas primaries are all day which allows more people to vote and its fair for a wider broad base.

    3. Ensuring that no states gets punished, particuarly the voters, if the state democratic party violates rules, punish the state party but not the voters. Don’t take half of a vote or a third of its votes or whatever.

    4. Ensuring that the DNC speaks up when there is clear racism or sexism occuring and work with organizations such as Emily’s List with the media to ensure that whoever is the candiate(s) gets a fair and equal coverage.

    5. Fair and balanced coverage (no one like Brazile should be on CNN constantly and always throwing her 2-cents on the viewers). This may not be within our realm but the DNC can play a role in this. Perhaps even delete the sueprdelegates altogether.

    6. The candidate should bs selected based on the total delegates.

    Thoughts?

  219. emjay, Yes I am a Texas delegate, the convention was this weekend. Last Tuesday I hurt my back at work and am on complete bed rest for 7 days. I could not go, so I sent my alternate, who assured me she voted for Hillary over the weekend. I am not sure what is going to happen with my back, since I have hurt it twice this year and had to be put on bed rest. At this point in time I am worried about keeping my job.
    However, I did send someone in my place that I trust will cast the vote that I would have!

  220. hey did you all know that chicago had tornadoes today……..Isn’t BO in chicago this weekend?

    sorry……..couldn’t help but think about “Karma” tonight 😀

  221. Justmeinmount

    I think you wrote pretty much we all have discussed here for months and that most if not all of us would agree 😀

  222. right but now that Hillary’s pretty much put on the sidelines by the DNC so we can now put more of our energy to ensuring this does happen.

  223. birdgal are you conceding that BO will win the GE??

    you should wash your keyboard off with soap after that one!! 😉

  224. dija: HELL NO! We should put our energy into repairing the primary process. Much of it, will need to happen at the state level. I hope, Texas is working on getting rid of the two-step debacle.

  225. dot48 Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    Beckel on Fox again tonight and said “unless some scandal” .. he knows something big is going to drop on Wafflehead. Can’t wait
    lol..me either
    have ya heard anything around your area dija..
    i kinda of teary eyed .. today but i get up everyday take the worlds challenges.and if hillary can be strong i will stay strong..she outbeats anyone in glass ceilings..but ya know this last state she won went to work..and by gosh those 57% women are pissed and will change independent.. its a big gossip around here..lol..
    yeah hillary they voted last state 57%…but they will support you in any thing that she does for..either the shoe drops or either the 2012.

  226. The proportional system has to go, but it was instituted as part of Jesse Jackson’s platforms, when he ran for president. It is an unfair affirmative active election process.

  227. them women didnt buy that bullshit today either there smart ladies here ;like you guys..and gals.
    and they laugh at daschle now and mcgovern..here in the state..they will be ousted if they run for anything lol

  228. Yesterday I took on a troll at taylor marsh.well he probbaly took it voer and going pay her for blogging for him

  229. CJ……. re storms tonight??

    i am watching them, so far i haven’t had anything to speak of, by i do have a 19 year old at school in Dennison,ia
    and he seems to be in the heavy area again tonight 🙁

  230. Hi yall. I just saw them mention Claire McCaskill as possible running mate for BO on FOX. I cheered…if he does that he can put his head between his legs and kiss his ass goodbye!

  231. oh ok, thanks…….. I am moving about 45 min south of sioux city right after the 4th of july

  232. hey all – CityEdition which had that great article about how BO was “Bamboozling the Electorate” has this great initiative going to hold the media accountable and open up inquiries on the media collusion – thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html

    and here’s one of their letters:

    Dear Senator Boxer,

    Your appearance on the Senate Commerce Committee during the Dixie Chicks controversy in 2003 is fresh on my mind, and leads me to inquire why the committee isn’t investigating a similar campaign of media sabotage against Sen. Clinton. If you’ve watched or read any of the mainstream coverage, then you know a well-orchestrated, incendiary narrative towards her candidacy has been underfoot for some time. At the same time,the same media corporations have covered up the extent of Senator Obama’s links to organized crime and at least two Iraqi foreign agents with whom he has documented ties. These represent legitimate homeland security concerns that for any other candidate would invite serious scrutiny and possible disqualification.

    Surely the violation of anti-trust laws and F.C.C. rules is far worse now than in the previous case you heard testimony on. And while John McCain and the Republicans controlled the committee back then, the Democrats control it now. Thus, you and your colleagues are in a position to preserve (or rather restore) the integrity of electoral process before irreparable harm is done.

    If the media companies are in fact collaborating in swaying the outcome of the Democratic primaries – and possibly the general election to come – Congress should immediately take to task all those involved, and if necessary call on the Department of Justice and F.C.C. to enact further deterrents.

    If you disagree with this assessment, I would be interested in learning your position.

    Yet, like the hearing we saw in Barbara Koppel’s documentary (which I wrote about in our newspaper), an inquiry today might delve into some of the following areas:

    · Asking a representative from the Center for Media and Public Affairs to share the data they’ve compiled on the biased coverage.

    · Asking the presidents of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and FOX to respond to questions like these:

    1. Why did you black out the results of the January 29th Florida Democratic primary on January 30th? Since you were covering that election before the vote, did you enter into some sort of agreement with each other, and with news services like Yahoo, or with the Democratic National Committee not to report that nearly two million voters showed up to the polls? If Obama had not lost by such a large margin, would you have reported the results?

    2. Why have your newscasters misled viewers by repeatedly reporting that the Florida results were invalid because “the state party violated the rules by moving up the date of the primary?” You’ve been corrected many times by your sources, who have explained that the state legislature set the date over the objections of the party, and that the Democrats were not in control of that process, so why continue to report the erroneous information?

    3. For NBC, why do you employ a “political director” (Chuck Todd), whose job appears to be coordinating and engaging personally in attacks on Clinton’s candidacy, both on your own network and others (e.g. CSPAN)? What is his job description? Why does your affiliate CNBC sell a product called the Hillary Nutcracker but no such similar product for other election candidates? Why did Tim Russert announce that Barack Obama had won the Democratic nomination after the Indiana/North Carolina primaries?

    4. For CNN, why did you persist in running a single clip from an Obama speech over and over in the lead up to the Pennsylvania primary, when your own factcheck expert had debunked it? Obama’s statement that unlike Clinton, he takes no special interest contributions was untrue, yet you only pointed that out to viewers in one weekday morning interview with the expert. As a news channel, don’t you consider this unethical reporting?

    5. For all the networks – How did you arrive at the decision to devote three days of headline coverage to Hillary Clinton’s recent remark about RFK’s assassination, when she had made the same statement to Time magazine on March 3rd without incident? The only source cited by any network on the first day of coverage was a vaguely worded press release from the Obama campaign saying “Sen. Clinton’s statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.” How did you make the leap to Clinton suggesting Obama might be assassinated, when the journalists actually interviewing her that day drew no such conclusion? Wasn’t it a reporter for the New York Post article on May 23rd who made that claim? Does this mean that corroborating a story with credible sources has become optional in presidential elections?

    6. For CNN and FOX, why were so many of Sen. Obama’s speeches during March and April given live coverage and broadcast from beginning to end, whereas only clips of a few of Sen. Clinton’s speeches were broadcast? Why have you frequently focused on showing her remarks only when she refers to him, when his remarks about the economy, the war, etc. are more typically featured? (This certainly explains why public opinion polls always suggest she’s being negative.) Also, why did your panels of experts in January, February and March generally include only experts with negative appraisals of Clinton?

    · Asking the publishers of Time and Newsweek magazines:

    1. Why have you ran Sen. Obama on your covers an unprecedented number of times between December and May? Has anyone else in the history of either publication received this level of publicity?

    2. Why do your representatives who appear on television – Mark Halperin, Eleanor Clift and Joe Klein – invariably promote the candidacy of Obama and deride Hillary Clinton? What is the basis for their unwavering position on these candidates, and have they been assigned to promote a specific line of argument pre-determined by management? Was Mr. Klein ever reprimanded for declaring on CNN that Clinton would only leave the race if an I.E.D. were exploded under her limousine?

    · Asking Washington Post reporter Marie Cocco for her analysis of the disparity in how the media has treated race and gender throughout the campaign.

    ————————————-

    Sen. Boxer, if a sitting U.S. senator can be subjected to such concerted opposition by media companies without consequence, then our democracy is no longer functioning. And if nothing is done to correct these wrongs before the Democratic convention, it seems to me no amount of hearings afterward will repair the damage by the time the dust has cleared and Americans realize that yet another presidential election has been stolen.

    That’s why I hope you’ll take the time to look into what’s going on.

    Sincerely,

  233. Subject: Join the New American Independent Party and Invite All Your Friends and Groups FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Dissatisfied Clinton Supporters Flock to Third Party in Droves Moderate third party enjoys 400% increase in new members, as Hillary Clinton supporters search for other options for their preferred candidate; NAIP leadership “admires” Clinton and her ideals, offers her supporters a “new home.” PHILADELPHIA, PA. — JUNE 7, 2008 – In the wake of the divisive 2008 Democratic primaries. A growing number of Hillary Clinton supporters are searching for an alternative to the Democratic Party, which many believe has abandoned them and their ideals. Over the past week, traffic on the sign-up board at the NAIP web site has been “off the charts,” according to the site administrator. Comments left by new sign-ups paint a picture of Democrats and Clinton supporters enraged at the treatment their candidate has received, and looking for alternatives. “The Democratic Party Left Me” Jen Rodgers is a typical example. A lifelong Democrat and mother of two with moderate views on issues, Rodgers reregistered in response to ‘the DNC’s coronation of a sexist, racist, elitist divider,” Senator Barak Obama, who Rogers sees as “unproven, unvetted, and unelectable.”The Democrats’ decision to halve the votes of Florida and Michigan, and to award to Senator Obama delegates won by Senator Clinton, proved too much for Lynn Baker. “That was the last straw,” Baker says. “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, The Democratic Party left me.” No Obama Other comments reveal a resolute refusal to voting for Senator Obama under any circumstances. John Polidoro, another lifelong Democrat, supported Obama at first, “But the more I looked into his past, the more I saw how crooked and dangerous he was,” says the middle class factory worker from Fairfax, Virginia. “I’ll vote for the NAIP ticket, but I’ll never vote for Obama.” The N A I P gives voters like John Polidoro a way to make a difference this November, and is actively courting them to help collect signatures so the NAIP can oppose Barack Obama in as many states as possible. NAIP “Naturally A Good Fit” for Clinton Supporters Founded in 2004, the N A I P is a grassroots, independent party that promotes principles of people above party and good government above good politics. NAIP chairman Michael Thompson sees an affinity between his party and Clinton supporters. “Like us, Clinton supporters are expressing a desire to see strong, ethical candidates who represent the moderate views of most Americans. Like us, they are tired of politicians who hold radical views that are divisive and out-of-touch with America.” NAIP advocates pragmatic, centrist solutions to issues facing America such as universal healthcare, strong public schools, energy independence and climate change, civil liberties and a strong middle class. NAIP has always appealed to moderate Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. “We’re naturally a good fit” for Clinton supporters, Thompson believes. “We offer Hillary Clinton supporters a new home.” Ballot Access Efforts to Oppose Obama As an active and determined political party, NAIP has a Ballot Access Task Force, which includes top authorities on ballot access law, that are actively working on ways to make a NAIP vote count for Clinton. This November NAIP expects to be on the ballot in 42 to 46 states, according to Thompson, who also notes that Hillary supporters are encouraging the NAIP to field candidates across the country to challenge elected Obama superdelegates. To support these initiatives, NAIP urgently needs registered voters to help collect petition signatures before the June deadlines expire in many states. Hillary Is Always Welcome Here The NAIP leadership admires Senator Clinton, and agrees that preventing Senator Obama’s election is paramount.“We share Senator Clinton’s ideals, and we respect the tenacity and strength she has displayed during her campaign,” Thompson says, adding that the top spot on the NAIP ticket is Clinton’s whenever she wants it: “Hillary Clinton is always welcome here!” The New American Independent Party, a grassroots Independent political party is seeking sustainable solutions and a more self-reliant America. For more on the New American Independent Party please visit its website at:

    http://www.newamericanindependent.com Press inquiries: Contact Michael ThompsonEmail: info@newamericanindependent.com

  234. justmeinmountdorafl:

    One of the first things we have to do after we have defeated Bambi in November (or before) is to get the caucuses scrapped. This is essential and will help prevent the coup which took place this year from happening ever again.

  235. oops i mean sioux falls……. geesh i am sounding like BO and his sunshine LOL

    I am tired…..only had 3 hours of sleep last night…….going to bed !

    see you all back here tomorrow

  236. HillBillyLover Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Hi yall. I just saw them mention Claire McCaskill as possible running mate for BO on FOX. I cheered…if he does that he can put his head between his legs and kiss his ass goodbye!

    ………………

    She is vile. I “Hope” he chooses her. 🙂

  237. see ya later dija..lol..i slep after her speech ,if hillary wanted too she can fight dirty too..but she has class way beyond from being a jerk

  238. so what is mccains site to sign up..some ladies ask me im not sure to tell them where to go..they seen Hills site and no no nooo!!! its fused…they gave every month automatic they dont now..

  239. Some AA BO supporter on a FOX just now, first name Mark, just says they were a little concerned about Hillary’s supporters staying home or voting McCain because “those working class voters typically don’t vote their interests, they vote their skin color”

    Another Obie guy calling us racist. I am so f’in sick of these people!!!!

  240. Now, we’ve all had our run in with astrology and predictions through our time together here, I guess we all needed at one point of another a little extra strength and belief, certainly with all the disbelief at what we witnessed against our girl.

    So here is an update from Michelle white dove, she had the past elections all right, and I am glad she gave an update yesterday, and even if she is my last standing hope, I will choose to believe her, as believing obama will be president only brings out the tears!!
    Have a good read, and please, I ask you, even if you think this sort of thing is crap, it is my last silver lining, don’t bring a scissor and cut it off 🙂 please…

    michellewhitedove.com/Blog-%20TheDemocraticIllusionJune2008.php

    *********

    This year the Democratic Party outcome is veiled under a Grand Illusion. The media is even failing to see the possible outcome that I see. For months now, they have been spinning the tall tale that Hillary cannot win the bid for the presidency. All the while with great strength she has pushed forward. Today she did NOT concede she only SUSPENDED her campaign. Hillary has a PLAN A, B, C, and D ready for action. Hillary is only buying time.

    I PREDICT:

    =Hillary will not concede and drop out. Hillary is reserving her right keep her delegates so she can reverse her suspension and take her bid for Presidency all the way to theDemocratic National Convention in Denver August 25-28.

    =My future vision remains the same, I see Hillary being sworn in.

    =Obama is now ego centered instead of solution driven. He is all talk and lacks a real a game plan. You will hear this in his upcoming interviews.

    = He has more scandals that will continue to come to light that will continue to tarnish his reputation. He will take a beat down in the media. When this happens the super-delegates can change their vote and go with Hillary.

    = I received psychic insight that the secret service has been beefed up around Obama because of the death threats that he is receiving. I “see” that most of these are only threats, but there are two real assassination plots being formed.

    = McCain will not be the president. The 2008 Election will be a win for the Democrats.

  241. yeah them bo supporters thats all they can say oh you racist..well they can be concerned all they want
    he will looose empty he was picked he did not close the deal..not at all..it was dirty politics and he steals everything hillary says..Im sick of them too…we need to get them out of the country..she had black people for her tooo..WE domnt want Obama..maybe a differnt black man but not him..

  242. she talked a little faster today..to move on but that i will help throw my support to elect barack obama I laughed..she puts that thrumb over her index finger fingers crossed lol

  243. since i watched her since the 90’s she always made sure the ones who quite dont understand politics she put it in words so we understood her..today was little different.and thats not hillary..so i m not buying that crap today..she used the human thing today to..i always wrote on her site about that..and that human thing was not the emotion i got from hillary today.no sigh no no nothing.no real eye contact and she believe’s in that for real..she even mentioned it….she is too smart for all of this…so i hope she gets some sleep.she wont though lol…

  244. I am now relieved I don;t have to make a choice in November, since Puerto Rico cannot vote for POTUS.

  245. LOL! Clare on a ticket with bo. What an insult! If they think, that will bring women back, they are sorely mistaken. Clare was obnoxious during the entire primary, and I don’t think, any Hillary supporters liked her and had any respect for her. This just might be a losing ticket. Two freshman senators. The GOP will have a field day. I have read, that Clare, is not too popular in MO, so she might not even carry that state. Seibulus (sp) isn’t any better; Boring. No one can compare to Hillary. Heck, maybe, they’ll put Caroline on the ticket. LOL.

  246. Some AA BO supporter on a FOX just now, first name Mark, just says they were a little concerned about Hillary’s supporters staying home or voting McCain because “those working class voters typically don’t vote their interests, they vote their skin color”

    You mean kinda’ like AA’s voted their skin color? I agree that’s racism. But you need to call it both ways. What a hypocritical moron.

  247. yes that clair is not popular in mo them rural parts and all went for she won all of them hillary them counties.. except really st louis..so..loosing ticket
    she ahs no expierence..she will be ousted to i think in her home state like johned..

  248. I know many of us are upset but Hillary did what was necessary to remain politically viable for 2012! She can’t stand him! Unfortunately, AA have a disproportionate level of power in the primary contests and Hillary knows this. Its unfair, but many blacks, because of the MSM, believe the Clintons are racists who are out to assassinate Obama. This endorsement will help to abolish that perception! The speech was magnificent but remember she thinks ahead.

    She’s keeping her delegates and waiting for something. She knows something is coming. If it happens too late for this cycle, then 2012 will be her year. A new MEDIA narrative of how Clinton did everything possible to help Obama win but he was simply a loser can’t hurt for 2012!

    Please remember, she’s still with us and this politics!

  249. As much as I loathe Dick Morris, he does understand that Hillary is like the Batman always thinking several steps ahead of her enemies!

    June 07, 2008
    What’s Up Hillary’s Sleeve?
    By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann

    Why won’t Hillary just concede that she has lost and pull out of the race? Why does she persist in keeping her delegates in line for her and not releasing them to Obama? Why does she feign party unity while, in fact, undermining it?

    The Clintons never do anything without a lot of thinking and planning. There is no benign explanation for her maneuvers. They have several options that they are deliberately keeping open by their increasingly awkward positioning. Here’s what they’re up to:

    1. The Obama Stumbles Option

    As Hillary says, June is “early” in politics when the convention is not to be held until the end of August, unusually late for a Democratic conclave. And, as Tip O’Neill says “a week is a long time in politics.” So is three months.

    Rumors abound about incriminating material on Obama, the potential for misstep is amplified now that he adjusts to a new task of taking on McCain, who knows how many other preachers there are in the closet? Hillary’s skilled force of private detectives, who we once called the secret police, are doubtless diving into garbage dumpsters all over America to come up with whatever they can.

    Hillary wants to be there to exploit any mistakes. She will be watching and waiting. Suppose Obama flubs a line on the campaign trail or damaging material emerges from the Rezko prosecution? Hillary will indicate her continued availability as an alternative. Remember that superdelegates can change their minds anytime they want to. Now they are leaving Hillary to back Obama, the winner, but they could easily go the other way. By not releasing her pledged delegates, she remains within striking distance of the nomination if an Obama faux pas leads to an exodus of superdelegates from his camp.

    2. Hillary for VP

    By remaining a force at the convention, Hillary might be in a position to bail out a faltering Obama campaign by going on the ticket. There is no love lost between the two candidates. Hillary knows that Obama will not choose her voluntarily as his running mate. But if Obama falters, he might just need the shot in the arm Hillary would represent. By remaining in the shadows as a potential threat to wrest away the nomination, she might leverage her position to make Obama put her on the ticket.

    She wants to be VP in case Obama loses so she can be positioned for 2012 and in case he wins so she can shoot for the stars in 2016. And, she doesn’t want anyone else to have the job so as not to create a potential rival.

    3. The I Told You So Option

    By remaining viable and keeping her delegates, Hillary stays in play through the convention. Her aides and associates can be counted on to dump on Obama subtly and, often, anonymously, as he moves forward. If Obama loses the election, and did not take her on his ticket, she can run as the “I told you so” candidate in 2012, much as Ronald Reagan capitalized on Gerald Ford’s defeat in 1976, after Reagan had unsuccessfully sought the nomination, to bolster his credentials in 1980.

    4. Paying Off Her Debts

    By staying, at least partially, in the game, Hillary can continue to raise money and pay off her debts. And she can hold out a bargaining position to force Obama to do more and more to help her to raise money. Debts to her vendors are one thing. She can always raise funds to pay them off in the future. But the election law makes it illegal for her to pay herself back any sum above $250,000 after the Democratic Convention. Since she has lent her campaign at least $11 million, she wants to get as much of it back as possible before the convention deadline.

    Hillary may set her candidacy aside for the moment. But her fortunes will continue to rise and fall inversely with Obama’s. Should he hit a rough patch, Hillary’s numbers are bound to improve, strengthening her bargaining position for funds or for the VP slot or, possibly giving her enough momentum to reopen the contest.

    That’s her game.

  250. Think about it, with the exception of Keith Olbermann, every sexist pundit believes that she has rehabilitated herself in the eyes of the DNC elites. In only 1 day, she’s changed the narrative. Clinton hate will diminish and whether its 2008 or 2012, Hillary Clinton will be President!

  251. I gotta say what’s on my mind even if it isn’t politically correct.
    I am disgusted that HRC had to step aside, was forced aside in favor of the illegitimate unqualified Affirmative Action Candidate.

    If this is any barometer, the first woman president will no doubt be AA, too.

    Just look at who’s running the DNC committee; Cruella to Germond to Herman.

    What about the rest of us????!!!!!!!

  252. Obama’s lying in full flow

    1.) Selma Got Me Born – NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google ‘Obama Selma’ for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga’s follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that….and for more. Obama’s cousin Odinga in Kenya ran f or presid ent and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians’ homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili – NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side and 43. 75% Arab ic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya, his father’s family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states he’s Arab, not African Negro). From….and for more….go to…..
    http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam – NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article “Obama was ‘quite religious in islam’
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” This is just one example of what Pamela is ta lking about when she says “Obama’s narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.”

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ’08 – NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

    16.) Voting “Present” is Common In Illinois Senate – NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted – NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Wit hout Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – NOT EXACTLY, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records – NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

    28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA – NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

    30.) I Want All Votes To Count – NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide. 31.) I Want Americans To Decide – NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

    32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

    33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

    34.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

    35.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

    36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

    37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – NOT EXACTLY, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

    38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – NOT EXACTL Y, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

  253. 1.) Selma Got Me Born – NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google ‘Obama Selma’ for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga’s follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that….and for more. Obama’s cousin Odinga in Kenya ran f or presid ent and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians’ homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili – NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side and 43. 75% Arab ic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya, his father’s family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states he’s Arab, not African Negro).

  254. 7.) I Never Practiced Islam – NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” This is just one example of what Pamela is ta lking about when she says “Obama’s narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.”

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ’08 – NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

    16.) Voting “Present” is Common In Illinois Senate – NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted – NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Wit hout Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – NOT EXACTLY, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

  255. 22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records – NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

    28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA – NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

    30.) I Want All Votes To Count – NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide. 31.) I Want Americans To Decide – NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

    32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

    33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

    34.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

    35.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

    36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

    37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – NOT EXACTLY, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

    38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – NOT EXACTL Y, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

    Now you know why we wont vote for your sorry ass, Obama.

  256. To finish my self-implosion.
    LADIES!
    This time we have to step aside for an unqualified AA male. This sets a terrible irreversible precedent. Next time we’ll be told we can’t stand in the way of a Hispanic-American nominee, or an Asian nominee, or a woman of any race OTHER than caucasian nominee.

    LADIES! Don’t you see where this path leads? Is the real objective the
    overturning of women’s rights? I’m sorry but HRC caving to BO will adversely affect all women NOT of color.

  257. Moonpluto,

    You musta been up all night compiling that great list. LOL

    BTW, haveya heard BO wants to pass a bill giving TRILLIONS in aid to AFRICA?????

    WHAT about US?????????

  258. totally off subject..what about a McCain Powell ticket? (i always envisioned powell as HRC’s running mate)

  259. The thing is when America wakes up from the dope now and actually sees the dumbass policies he’s putting out, they might actually with their heads and not their asses.

  260. STOP the OBAMA $8500 per year household UN TAX

    /myviewmytake.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-african-priority-global-poverty-act/
    Barack Obama’s African priority (Global Poverty Act)
    Senator Barack Obama is the main sponsor of Senate Bill S.2433, commonly called the Global Poverty Act. Sounds good, doesn’t it. Like I said, I am all for fighting poverty and I am sure most everyone else is, as well. What I am not for is putting the interests of the United States in second place in the fight on poverty. Let’s look at some of the provisions of this bill. The following statements come from Barack Obama’s Senate website.
    The Global Poverty Act:
    • Declares it official U.S. policy to promote the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme global poverty in half by 2015.
    • Requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to carry out that policy.
    • Includes guidelines for what the strategy should include – from aid, trade, and debt relief, to working with the international community, businesses and NGOs, to ensuring environmental sustainability.
    • Requires that the President’s strategy include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables.
    • Requires the President to report back to Congress on progress made in the implementation of the global poverty strategy.

  261. global poverty act, er are we not in the middle of a huge economic crisis at home, never mind anywhere else, how about homing our people, feeding our children and giving work and solving the currency and housing and employment crisis.

    Oh i forgot, they dont count, do they.

  262. I don’t the SDs will wake up. For them it is all about the money and the promises, and not about the people. It seems so funny to say that in a Democracy.

  263. I have just cleanesed myself of he Democratic Party. They are sending me email saying, but Hillary would not want that, even quoting her.

    Well, we all know what Hillary is doing. Hillary would not want me to sit in a church pew for 20 years and listen to Rev Wright.

    Amazing that they are already using her.

  264. I said it a few times and even on hills blog we will be in the streets with this idiotic ..I believed it since last
    august..ya wanna bet he throws out the homeless shelters and the meals on wheels and all those programs…and out backup of food supply we be depleted..he shoul dbe never near that white house not even as a senator.if he left those epeople in chicago without heat think of america next..

    its coming we will be thrown under the bus next
    and boy i hope the repugs oust him

  265. Has anyone heard rumors that Bloomberg might enter the race? Just had a friend suggest that. I always thought he Wanted O as the nominee, but I could be wrong.

  266. On a positive note, I am so glad that Kerry has a challenger for his senate seat. It will do his arrogant ass some good, to have work for his seat.

  267. Just heard from my sister out West, that the media is saying that Clinton’s followers are not go to take to O and support him. Kind of like we are disregarding Hillary’s wishes. Like I got here. I guess the spin is out.

    Did anyone else here this?

  268. From Noquarter today……… this says it all folks!!!

    A Soldier For Hillary Writes a Rant [Updated]

    By Soldier4HillarygravatarcloseAuthor: Soldier4Hillary Name: Soldier Soldier
    Email: susAnunpc@gmail.com
    Site: http://www.hillaryunited.com/
    About: See Authors Posts (1) on June 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Hillary Clinton

    A 527 and a Blog: Hillary United. UPDATE: Sgt. Patsy is stationed at Ft. Bragg. Her WordPress blog is ANVP.
    We had the opportunity to have the candidate who had Solutions for America. Not just one race, not just one demographic, but for “America”, you gave us the chatelaine of fake hopes & dreams.

    We had the opportunity to have the teacher, you gave us the remedial student . I have been harassed and threatened, told the job I do is worthless, and if I am a representation of the type of judgment military personnel have, no wonder we are losing the war. I have had my accounts hacked, told when I deploy, they hope I never come back. All from the supporters who candidate based there initial platform on unity and a new form of politics.

    This is not about Senator Clinton. This has become so much more than that, it is more than that. It’s about not falling in and bending to the will of the majority. It’s about fighting for what is right, when everyone seems to be doing something wrong. So I wiped away the tears, sat aside the heart ache. And asked myself what can I do to become part of the solution? And the answer came. Get rid of the problem.

    So I lurked, and listened, plotted and planned. And on the 5th of June 2008, as I opened up the last message telling me I was a disgrace, and to stop publicly voicing my support, and to stop making utube videos acknowledging it. I knew what I had to do. Money may buy you a primary, but the people are the ones who win elections.

    I created “Hillary United” a 527 that will support campaigns and organizations that remember the one true aspect of our government, “For the People” and “By the People”. That understand what makes our country, our great nation, what it is today. You cant blame the problems on our government. Our government is the foundation of this country. It’s the people who cause the problems.

    If we want change, we have to change how we do business. To stop electing officials that follow the money, instead of following the voice and the will of the people. And the first order of business, is to remove the ones who have forgotten how to represent the constituents who have elected them to these positions.

    We don’t have to “fall in”. We have another option. One that was lost and forgotten, but what civil rights leaders and activists that poured there blood, sweat and tears to achieve. We fight. I am not an expert when it comes to politics, but I do understand reality. We are witnessing up close and personal what happens when elections and primaries are determined in the court of public opinion.

    When votes cast in good faith can be overturned and decided by a group of thirty instead of thousands. When the media can become more important that the voice of the people. We have a problem. This is a historical election. But not because of what many may think. It’s historical because we have witnessed the fall of the Democratic Party as we used to know it. We don’t need a third party because its time to take our party back. And for that to happen the Democratic Party will have to be reborn. Not on how the Donna Braziles have foretold as a party led by the youth. It will be reborn in the way in which it was originally founded. Led by not just the youth, but by all of us, despite race, demographics, or affiliations. From the blue collar workers to the private in Iraq sitting on gate guard wondering when they will be coming home.

    Senator Clinton opened the door. Despite what personal beliefs many have of this former First Lady, presidential candidate and acting Senator, she changed the course of this election. By getting up and out there to speak to the people, using personal funds to finance getting her message out there. While knowing the entire time they had no intentions of allowing another Clinton in the White House, is astounding. She held her ground to the end while the Democratic Party publicly campaigned against her.

    The message that they sent could not of been any louder as we watched them turn there back on one of there own by using every source available. As we watched Senator Obama make blunder after blunder, lie after lie, the picture became clearer each day. And as there actions became more pronounced, the disdain more obvious, it hardened my will to stand behind her.

    We don’t need a tape of Michelle Obama proving what we all know in our hearts that she is racist. Or proof that Senator Obama is unprepared to be the 44th president. We don’t need to donate to Senator Mccain’s campaign. Or get into arguments with paid bloggers. They have already shown there hand. It’s ours that they are now worried about. There is a better option than voting for Senator Obama. The option is, for him to step down and move aside.

    Its our right, no, its our duty to not think about what it is we personally want, and start thinking about what this country needs. Yes, this will be historical. 2008 will go down in history as being the year that the people stood up and fought for what they believe in, despite what the Democratic Party thought we should have. The battle may be over, but the war, the war has just begun.

  269. I just hope admin will keep this site up till November. I have a few other sites I go to but Big Pink is still the one dearest to my heart.

    So many are gone though .. I hope this doesn’t mean they’ve given up on Hillary.

    Her speech yesterday is on for the history books and one for strong women to take heart from.

    I miss her already .. knowing the next time we see her it will be annoint the chosen one is heartbreaking. I know that I won’t be able to watch that. I lurve you Hill but my loyalty has a point.

  270. I think the hardest part for many Hill supporters is that she was forced to put his name on her website from the day of her suspension. She should have had a few days to allow HER website to be about her supporters and letting us leave messages, etc.

    Instead, I open up and it’s all about Obama now. Support him.

    There is just something wrong with that picture. I think the DNC and crew want to hurt her even more emotionally and punish her supporters as well.

    They just don’t get that the more you kick someone the less they will love you. They are treating us like POWs .. surrender or we’ll punish you even more.

    I wonder what Hillary is doing today. It’s so strange to not have a schedule to see her whereabouts and all.

    Since the chosen one is going to be in Appalachia this week .. I hope to God she tells him she’s tired right now and can’t join him. Bill looks exhausted and most likely should be resting up … maybe a short hospital stay with Hill by his side is called for.

  271. I think it is time for Hillary and Bill to sit back and watch us GET DAM MAD.

    Can we sustain this to November? Hell I am still mad aout 2000, so making it to November is no Sweat.

  272. I am still here and NOT supporting Barack Obama, I am with Hill until the convention, and then I am hopping aboard the John McCain express.

  273. My husband just came back from workout. Our car has those Hillary signes on the window (I have three on the front window, and two on each side windows). Under his wiper was this note:

    You Made My Day (with a smiley face).

    I luv Hillary (another smiley face).

    This person went out of their way to write a note.

    Amazing.

  274. new mexico fan,

    0it was on my news here in san francisco, they talked about
    how hillary had just crowned barack obama, but asked
    the all important question, will supporters of hillary do the same?

    they interviews several hillary supporters, and the answer was,
    NO, NO, and I WILL REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE…

    we need to keep it alive, the dream that is…

  275. dija: god bless you for that wonderful posting from no quarter. The fact that Hillary would use so much of her personal money to fight this battle for us, while bureacrats like pelosi who live large and do nothing for the American people undermine her candidacy is too much to take. Pelosi, puglosi call her what you will is a modern day version of marie antionette and is worthy of the same fate.

  276. Yup, I know a bunch here in Iowa that are not voting and voting third party and voting for McCain.

  277. I donated the max for the primary election, and I actually went over by a few hundred dollars…what will happen with that money? Does anyone know? Will it go towards the general election for Obama? Can I request that money back?

  278. does anyone have a link to that womens pac that put out the
    full page add for hillary?

    they are from san francisco, i want to see if they have any plans
    for opposing pelosi…
    anyone have a link?

  279. We all know that hand down, Hillary would be the very best president now and possibly in this century. She was denied the nomination by her own party because of jealousy, Clinton hate, jealousy, she a woman, she’s a centerist, and did I mention jeaoulsy? And also who knows how many other petty little reasons and of course there is the money thing.

    Does Hillary ever have a change again of running for president after this year…2012 or 2016?

    Some things to think about:

    1. If Obama, God forbid, wins his VP will run in 2016. The DNC and media will say, “Who does that Hillary think she is trying to split the party? She old, she’s had her chance.”

    2. After 8 years of a corrupt BO presidency, the voters will blame the Democrats and want a CHANGE just as they do now from Bush. A Republican may look very good then. If Hillary were to run, they would put what they consider baggage of the Clinton administration on her back ONCE AGAIN but also she would have to carry the baggage of the Obama mess. It’s not fair to her but it would happen.

    3. The DNC and the political powers that be in the party would not be supporting Hillary in 2012 just because she was a good little girl and did what they demanded in 2008. We’ve seen that they have no sense or LOYALTY. IF they would not LET her win in 2008 they surely will not in 2012.

    4. The pundits also are not going to let go of their first love…hating and villifying the Clintons. They need a devil to fight to raise ratings and they would be labeled racist by a BO administration for that so the Clintons it will still be. Little guys like Chris Matthews and Timmy Russert are contempories of Bill Clinton and they are insanely jealous of him. That won’t change by 2012.
    So they will keep up the rant.

    5. Hate radio will still be pumping out Clinton hate until she or Bill are dead, so why should we think that they will suddenly have a change of heart by 2012. It will be acceptable to hate and trash the Clintons but not BO so same old same old. Sexism is okay…racism is not.

    So on a bad, sad weekend after our girl was run out of the race and seemingly only needed by the Democrats to prop up a loser like BO, everything seems very dark. We all need time to recoup and recover. Politics is a nasty business.

    I will always support Hillary but I will not ever vote for Barack Obama no matter what she says or any other Democratic party leader tries to jam down our throats.

    PUMA

  280. It is the heighth of folly for the media to say that Hillary crowned bambi. The dnc did that. She said she would support him for the sake of party unity and if you listen to what she was really saying that support was conditioned on his pursuit of certain policies. I cannot understand why they care about whether clinton supporters accept him. If these stupid journalists did their homework they would see that gogzilla among others are on record as saying they dont need us so why not let that be the story. The real point is what I said a couple days ago which is that we believe deeply in Hillary and that is the mission we signed on for. In fighting those battles we acquired a deep distaste for bambi because of his unethical standards. Senator Clinton can ask us to support him but we saw what they did to her, would do to the country and are unwilling be a part of it.

    People must realize that the damage obama has done to the aspirations of so many and will surely do worse if he becomes president is the reason many of us will reject him. Many people today are going through hard times and his racism, sexism arrogance and naivtee will make things worse. Media elites living large comprehend none of this, and they blithely assume that we will march blindly in any direction Hillary wants. If she was in charge of the army we probably would. But he has hijacked the party and when the forces of evil prevail we will not submit.

  281. Hillary needs to go Independent in 2012. The dems no longer support women and blue collar workers.

  282. Dear dear fellow Hillary supporters and true believers. It is time to get even, we are already mad. Over and over I read on the blogs, “..she is FORCED to do..” The Obamanation is gang raping her. Listen to what Chauvez is and is trying to do in his country-him President for life-making citizens spy for him-read it for yourself. Obama is trying, no not trying, is doing the same thing to our country.For the sake of the little ones in our naitons families, we can not let this happen.

    Someone else noted that the light had gone out of Hillary’s eyes.We must put the light back in Hillary’s eyes. We must not let the breaking of her spirit go unchecked. We have to be smart, and swift, and in large numbers. What if the Obamanation, with Oprah its Queen Mother, is able to do the same thing, just on a bigger scale in the November election.
    That is my fear.

    There is a prolifieration of sites, blogs, etc. for saving us from Obama, and helping Hillary. There should be a stop to this. We are spreading ourselves way too thin and will not be able to be effective. All the groups should come together under one umbrella, and new groups need to stop forming – this will be the death of us an ability to effect change. There are already magnificent groups like Hillaryis44, RiverDaughter, blog.pumapac.org etc. etc. Let’s stop the madness and hysteria. We must be clam and resolute and we must think before we act.

  283. Ok, I’ll try it again.

    “# Gezahegn Says (June 8th, 2008 at 4:20 am)

    Hillary for VP? I totally disagree.”

    That’s fine. Agree, disagree, whatever. I cannot help notice, however, yet another name I’ve never seen popping in and espousing something which plainly isn’t in Hillary’s interest.

    Yesterday I had someone pop in and tell me I shouldn’t be beyond furious at Charlie Rangel for abandoning Hillary, because, as the Politico article tried to ‘explain’, those NY congressman MAY have had to face a Pro-Obama primary challenge someday!!!

    And so it goes without saying those SD’s (who were all minorities, I would point out) had to abandon Hillary.

    It wasn’t because Charlie Rangel was afraid he’d lose his spot as Chairman of Ways & Means if Obama ultimately won, and hey, Rangel’s going to live to be 1,000 and he WANTS that spot.
    So what else to do but disregard the fact that the race – and the media which ‘covered it’ – was as crooked as a $3 bill, and ditch Hill (and by obvious extension, Bill).

    And nevermind that Rangel helped turn the country over to a complete fucking novice at a time when we have problems as complex (and dangerous) as at any point in our history.
    Never mind that novice and his handlers waged a filthy, underhanded race that invoked what is WORST about America.

    Those congressman MAY have faced a challenge from a Pro-Obama candidate – and, neverminding a Hill supporter might actually win in New York – the poster told me I should have faith that Hillary has such great respect for Rangel.

    But I’d bet my left nut she has a lot LESS respect for him now than she did.

  284. Downright scary about what’s happening at MyDD becoming an “obamablog”

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/07/theyve-done-it-again/

    Anyway, someone really needs to do an expose on the fascism happening at the netroots level. “Brown Shirts” is an apt description for the Obamabots – but it is coordinated; there’s no way the bots themselves would have implemented these techniques without some sort of leadership from BO’s campaign or the Axelrod of Evil – and it’s been happening and been honed throughout in how they targeted Clinton blogs/bloggers and now they’re drowning out any dissension about BO on the web and will target McCain.

    Unity will be smoke and mirrors trick.

  285. God Dammit, 20 minutes on two posts and they’re VANISHING?!

    Is it because I dared lambast Rangel for his traitorous ways!?

    ADMIN, what the Hell?!

  286. count the votes: the bots have already infiltrated the McCain blog. Nasty, nasty creatures. TM has gone to the pits. All the reasonable people have left.

  287. Another thing that came to mind, is something more effective than just emails, etc need to be implemented. Emails and such would be effective except they are no longer reading or taking heed to them. There must be action, now. But if people are going to email and write letters, one more suggestion, KEEP IT SHORT, SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT! No one in these IM days will take the time to read a long item, especially if it is a rant. And we all know that they ignore us quite effectively anyway.
    There were a couple of guerilla marketing compaigns that caught their attention and was even mentioned on air; even during the RBC meeting 5/31. The two were the oranges sent with COUNT OUR VOTES and the WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES campaigns. Maybe we should buy up little containers of deodorant and mail them to SD’s with STOP THE BO written on them. What do you say?

  288. short termer is precisely correct.

    How does one go about gather all the groups under one umbrella??

    Answer: we need to be Reaching out to all these groups to meet and discuss just that
    not each and everyone of us…..but the leader of one group must contact all the other
    leaders of those groups to a conference to discuss joining forces.

    WE NEED OUR HILLARYIS44 ADMIN HERE TO BEGIN ………IS THAT POSSIBLE???

  289. short termer, I always make my subject line in my email precisely my point

    that way if my email nevers gets opened and read….. they do read the subject line 😀

  290. I think you are on to something. A conference call to consolidate, and a plan of action.

    I think something we can all participate in across the nation is important. But it must irratate them, and cause them some discomfort.

    Like they say, those in the area should meet with them fact to face, and the rest of us need to do something in support of that.

    I think people changing their party to Rep is a very worrysome and visible thing to the Dems.

  291. We also need to form groups to do specific tasks:
    Group 1: email like hell
    Group 2: design logos, posters, etc
    Group 3: local groups protest outside MSM sponsors across the nation
    Group 4: march, march, march
    etc.

    If we are all doing the same thing, we are ineffective. Their should be a coming together of the heads of the sites and blogs, thanks djia, and that has to be done by them. I would like to suggest that each site, blog have a specific purpose.

  292. State fairs will happen in the Fall in every State.

    How about a ten or Booth to change the registration of people. I don’t think those are expensive.

  293. Did the RBC do things differently because of the oranges and shoes? Did it make a difference in the outcome?

    I’m for doing anything if it will really make a difference in the outcome.

    I agree, the groups do need to unify for strength.

  294. I have said many times that the single two most effective things we could do is change to INDEPENDENT en masse, even if it is only until after the General Election. And, secondly, vote McCain – hold your nose if you have to. Those two things would be like hitting them upside the head with a 2×4. We have also got to do something that would be effective to awaken Oprah’s sheeple; she told BO that she would take care of the female vote…………………if it were not so scary, it would be funny. Has anyone noticed that she has big giveaways on her show – these people are selling their souls for a little prize – or in case of a car a big prize.
    She can tell these sheeple to read and they do – this is something that classroom teacher have struggled mightily to accomplish for decades – they are sheeple on bad things to, like her new church and her brainwashing to get them to support BO.
    Sorry for all the typos, I certainly do know how to spell, but my hands can not keep up with my mind right now.

  295. In all honesty, how does anyone who has had the privilege of supporting Hillary Clinton, go from that to supporting Obama-lite? On top of that, does anyone really think that true Clinton supporters are going to go anywhere near this guy with his wife clinging to his side?

    His deceit is bad enough, but to endorse her as “first lady” is just plain lunacy, and I am not a racist. I just think she is a recipe for disaster.

  296. Southern Born, the oranges and shoes were a guerilla marketing tactic; things you do to garner someone’s attention to a specific problem without a great big budget. They did stick in people’s minds and may not have changed anyone’s minds, but neither do the mass emailings that go to the recycle bin without being read – and tactics need to change to be fresh. We need opposition research and guerilla marketing tactics that are new – we have overused the email thing.

  297. Anything that hits them in the pocket book or starts or complicates work and cost more money they will listen to.

  298. djia,

    just got back from the womens count pac yahoo groups.
    i had to lay on the line for one dingbat, that says we need to
    honor hillarys request to join obama… sheesh
    did i ever tell her where to go…
    anyway their only 10 people on this group, if you could join
    it might be helpful, since these are the people that can do our
    advertising for us right?

    womencountpac@googlegroups.com

  299. warehouse: I am not as sure as you are that hillary hate in the media died with that speech. If the reaction was what you say it is then it is probably more like a collective sigh of relief that she finally fell in line with their twisted narrative that bambi is the greatest and she is no longer a threat to them personally. Now believe me I do understand that is not at all what she said but in case you have not notice they do not listen well and see only what they want to see.

    When the time comes that she steps forward and resumes her fight against any of their sacred cows the media will be up to their old tricks. If there is any lasting value to what she said yesterday it is that it may pave the way for them not to blame her if bambi loses the election. There is so much he has done and failed to do that will account for that result that the fault will lie with him and it will be hard to ignore it. As for this election I do not believe there is a southern redoubt. I hope to god I am wrong.

    I am not as sanguine as you are about the prospects for 2012. I would like to believe you are right, but if there is one thing this latest turn of events has done it is to show how corrupt the dnc is and that it will go to any lengths including breaking the law to thwart her. I dont know that would change in four years. Again I would like to be wrong.

    If someone with inside knowledge ever decided to write a book exposing all the corruption which occurred in this election can you imagine what that could do to them.

  300. skmf

    I am sure that was a bot pretending to be a hillary supporter ready to follow like a sheep

    there will an army of them out there!!

    we need to make sure there is an army of us who wont being vocal………IF IT APPEARS TO THE MASSES THAT THE MAJORITY ARE FALLING IN LINE THEY WILL FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP……….THIS IS AXELRODS STRATEGY!!!

    TO COUNTER HIS STRATEGY……… WE NEED TO BE EN MASS OF THE OPPOSITE!! WE WILL NOT FOLLOW OBAMA!!

  301. also a few days ago i posted a rant on starting a third party
    or at least picking a name for our movement, a name
    that would be catchy, and that once we drop it into the
    blogesphere, would become a household word. why?

    because we need to start a movement that hillary supporters
    around the country can hear about and rally to, even if they
    dont hang out on the internet, and even if they are not politicallly
    savy.
    so i had posted the comment at no quarter, and here was a
    response i fell in love with:
    ****************************************************

    To skmf12, Larry and all others:

    With regard to forming a party, great idea! How about the COALITION PARTY? (Comprised of HRC’s coalition, of course!)

    The beauty of a coalition body is that it can configure and re-configure itself–i.e. create new alliances–according to the issues and needs of the time.

    Indeed, this coalition (as inspired by HRC) is comprised of white working class women and men, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, and African Americans who also organize around economic and gender issues. While respecting cultural, racial and sexual orientation differences, finding common ground around bread & butter issues is paramount. To wit, this coalition would work toward greening the economy (thus creating new jobs while improving the environment), toward universal health care, and toward improving the education system.

    It is a populist coalition informed by what might be called pragmatic progressivism–a party dedicated to finding real solutions for real problems. It is a party that values optimism over naive idealism, and practical leadership over charismatic leadership. It is a people’s party, not a party for the elites.

  302. Wbbeoi

    you are right….. 2012 will not be an option, they don’t want a clinton period not now not ever

  303. one thing we need the most……. MONEY

    would any of the clintons fundraisers work with us? fund such a movement??

    how would we get in touch with people like that in the first place???

  304. Russert from ‘Meet the Clinton Haters’:

    McCain’s people readily admit, that’s not what he does. They then called for a series of town meetings, where Obama and McCain would travel around the country in the same plane. That’s what Barry Goldwater had suggested to John Kennedy back in 1963 before President Kennedy was shot.

    GASP !

    He mentioned the assassination of a Kennedy in reference to Bambi.

    BLASPHEME !

    It was Timmeh who previously FLOGGED Hillary because she happened to mention that Bobby Kennedy was STILL CAMPAIGNING IN JUNE when he was assassinated. He and the rest of the media whores claimed you can NEVER mention the issue of assassination in regards to a presidential candidate.

  305. Can someone get a screenshot of this before it is removed

    Can anyone get a screen shot of this before it gets scrubbed:

    HOW CAN WE STOP THE JEWISH LOBBY?

    Here are 3 options:

    1) Commit suicide.

    2) Write to your Senator warning him that taking bribes from Jews is a sin.

    3) Never vote again.
    OR:

    + Pray To The Lord Jesus Christ To Either Convert The Jews Or Conquer Them Through The Power Of His Cross!

    For More See: “American Jewry’s World Wide Web” Click Here

    And: “How The Jews Took Washington” Click Here

    And: “McCain Bows To Jewish Money” Click Here

    And: “Jews Run The US State Department” Click Here

    my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gG5BSr

  306. okay i just got this little blurb from my local democratic party:
    *****************************************************

    Dear ,
    We’ve just received confirmation that Howard Dean will join us at next weekend’s E-Board meeting on Friday, June 13, at 5:00 pm. There, you’ll have the opportunity to hear how Chairman Dean is implementing his vision of a 50-state strategy that is empowering an army of volunteers to work to take back the White House and elect Democrats in every district!
    The E-Board meeting will take place from Friday, June 13, through Sunday, June 15, at the Westin San Francisco Airport, 1 Old Bayshore Highway, Millbrae, CA.
    As usual, all Democrats are welcome, whether you are E-Board members or not. If you are not an E-Board member, the suggested donation for observers is $20.

    I look forward to seeing you next weekend.

    Sincerely,

    Sen. Art Torres (Ret.)
    Chairman

  307. Subject: Join the New American Independent Party and Invite All Your Friends and Groups FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Dissatisfied Clinton Supporters Flock to Third Party in Droves Moderate third party enjoys 400% increase in new members, as Hillary Clinton supporters search for other options for their preferred candidate; NAIP leadership “admires” Clinton and her ideals, offers her supporters a “new home.” PHILADELPHIA, PA. — JUNE 7, 2008 – In the wake of the divisive 2008 Democratic primaries. A growing number of Hillary Clinton supporters are searching for an alternative to the Democratic Party, which many believe has abandoned them and their ideals. Over the past week, traffic on the sign-up board at the NAIP web site has been “off the charts,” according to the site administrator. Comments left by new sign-ups paint a picture of Democrats and Clinton supporters enraged at the treatment their candidate has received, and looking for alternatives. “The Democratic Party Left Me” Jen Rodgers is a typical example. A lifelong Democrat and mother of two with moderate views on issues, Rodgers reregistered in response to ‘the DNC’s coronation of a sexist, racist, elitist divider,” Senator Barak Obama, who Rogers sees as “unproven, unvetted, and unelectable.”The Democrats’ decision to halve the votes of Florida and Michigan, and to award to Senator Obama delegates won by Senator Clinton, proved too much for Lynn Baker. “That was the last straw,” Baker says. “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, The Democratic Party left me.” No Obama Other comments reveal a resolute refusal to voting for Senator Obama under any circumstances. John Polidoro, another lifelong Democrat, supported Obama at first, “But the more I looked into his past, the more I saw how crooked and dangerous he was,” says the middle class factory worker from Fairfax, Virginia. “I’ll vote for the NAIP ticket, but I’ll never vote for Obama.” The N A I P gives voters like John Polidoro a way to make a difference this November, and is actively courting them to help collect signatures so the NAIP can oppose Barack Obama in as many states as possible. NAIP “Naturally A Good Fit” for Clinton Supporters Founded in 2004, the N A I P is a grassroots, independent party that promotes principles of people above party and good government above good politics. NAIP chairman Michael Thompson sees an affinity between his party and Clinton supporters. “Like us, Clinton supporters are expressing a desire to see strong, ethical candidates who represent the moderate views of most Americans. Like us, they are tired of politicians who hold radical views that are divisive and out-of-touch with America.” NAIP advocates pragmatic, centrist solutions to issues facing America such as universal healthcare, strong public schools, energy independence and climate change, civil liberties and a strong middle class. NAIP has always appealed to moderate Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. “We’re naturally a good fit” for Clinton supporters, Thompson believes. “We offer Hillary Clinton supporters a new home.” Ballot Access Efforts to Oppose Obama As an active and determined political party, NAIP has a Ballot Access Task Force, which includes top authorities on ballot access law, that are actively working on ways to make a NAIP vote count for Clinton. This November NAIP expects to be on the ballot in 42 to 46 states, according to Thompson, who also notes that Hillary supporters are encouraging the NAIP to field candidates across the country to challenge elected Obama superdelegates. To support these initiatives, NAIP urgently needs registered voters to help collect petition signatures before the June deadlines expire in many states. Hillary Is Always Welcome Here The NAIP leadership admires Senator Clinton, and agrees that preventing Senator Obama’s election is paramount.“We share Senator Clinton’s ideals, and we respect the tenacity and strength she has displayed during her campaign,” Thompson says, adding that the top spot on the NAIP ticket is Clinton’s whenever she wants it: “Hillary Clinton is always welcome here!” The New American Independent Party, a grassroots Independent political party is seeking sustainable solutions and a more self-reliant America. For more on the New American Independent Party please visit its website at:

    http://www.newamericanindependent.com Press inquiries: Contact Michael ThompsonEmail: info@newamericanindependent.com——————–

  308. my response:
    *****************************************************
    so sorry i will be unable to vote democrat this coming election, i am now independant, and i will
    be voting for mccain…
    i will do all in my power to find every candidate who opposed hillary clinton, and i shall not only donate,
    but i shall campaign for them.
    as a leader in my union on the legislative and political league of the IAM, i plan to do all i can to
    replace the ‘old gaurd’ of party leaders, that sold us for a bunch of little kids that never voted or
    volunteered or held the democratic party together….

    the groups are multiplying like flys, and as you very well know, california went overwhelmingly for hillary
    so you have a huge number of angry supporters, who know who
    exactly committed to her rival barack obama.

    oh and do me a favor, dont call me, i’ll call you…
    have a nice day…

  309. I am outraged by the Waffles takeover of the HRC site.
    Her home page is now a solicitation for contributions for IT.
    Someone please explain to me WHY she let this happen? Why did she cave? why did she allow this excruciating humiliation?
    Whywhywhy?
    Now they’re trying to scatter her supporters. We can’t even congregate at her official site. I feel like I’ve been sold out. $750 in contributions to her campaign is a helvalotta dough for me. i don’t begrudge a penny but if she’s given up . . .
    i doubt i will ever again get involved in a political campaign.
    BTW – for those who didn’t know this last summer Waffles staged volunteer summer training camps for campaign recruits. That’s just the beginning of the indoctrination he’s planned for the rest of us. If HRC had at least fought all the way to Denver i would feel proud, at peace but throwing i the towel like this . . . can someone talk me out of this dark mood? pleeeeze?

  310. will do all in my power to find every candidate who opposed hillary clinton, to locate their rival and i shall not only donate,
    but i shall campaign for them.
    (sorry mistake )

  311. birdgal, Read anglachel’s post analyzing Hillary’s speech. It’s the second one down when you go to her site. Trust me, it’ll cheer you up.

    anglachelg.blogspot.com/

  312. It just dawned on me.
    The reason they wanted her out so desperately was to inflict the final wound. It would be one thing for us to see her reach for the gold and come up short in November.
    It’s an entirely different matter, now.
    Don’t get me wrong. I adore HRC and believe in her, trust her, support her, but IMHO what she did in supporting HIM is wrong. What’s gonna happen to everyone’s email address? is her campaign turning our info over to HIM?
    She should have kept fighting. I feel betrayed.

  313. Paula: I did read it. How could the DNC be so corrupt and uncaring about the people in this country? BO is a puppet, and the special interests are the puppet masters. They want to elect a Marxist to the highest office in the world. What is wrong with them?

  314. I meant

    It would be one thing for us to see her reach for the gold and come up short in AUGUST at the CONVENTION.

  315. basil: there are probably forces upon her, that we can only think about. she had no choice, if she wanted to survive. no other candidate has ever been forced out, before the convention. that shows how scared they are of her.

  316. I just went to hillaryclinton.com and under contact us at the bottom, I filled out the form, unsubscribed, and then asked that none of my personnel information to include email be give to the Obama Campaign.

    You might want to do that.

  317. I know we don’t have a clue about what really went on behind the scenes and i could have lived with her suspending her campaign; no endorsement, no campaigning for him, no trying to convince her base to support him, no turning hillaryclinton.com into another bot-hole, but this is unacceptable.

    I feel doubly betrayed. i can’t help it. That doesn’t mean if some miracle occurred and she was the nominee i wouldn’t vote for her but I think we deserve more respect than what was shown us in the end. The only possible scenario I can imagine which could excuse this capitulation would be threats against her, Bill or Chelsea.

  318. carbynew Says:

    June 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    A reason NOT to vote for the DEMOCRATS this election cycle. A Fine American was THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY THE DEMOCRATS AND TEAM OBAMA by NOT STANDING for this person’s rights.

    Country before Party, When the party that’s SUPPOSE to be for Equal And Women RIGHTS attacks this innocent American in the quest of annoiting their “empty suit” against the Clintons. Democratic Leaders, MSM and Team Obama’s MORALLY BANRUPTED LEADERSHIP shows ALL American how little they VALUE Women in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    THIS WOMEN WAS SLANDERED BY THE MEDIA!!!

    THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ENDORSED AND PROMOTED SEXISM AND MYSOGINY as ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR THE WORLD AUDIENCE. AMERICA WAS SHOWN AS BEING HYPOCRITAL ON WOMEN RIGHTS and are the TALIBAN OF THE WEST!!!
    *****************************************************
    Vanity Fair to Gina Gershon: Sorry, but we’re not sorry over Bill Clinton story
    By Jo Piazza
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Friday, June 6th 2008, 3:09 PM

    Gina Gershon demanded an apology and a retraction from Vanity Fair after a story implied she’s been carrying on with Bill Clinton. But the mag says she’s not getting the former.

    Vanity Fair refuses to issue a retraction for their Bill Clinton profile that implied the former commander in chief has been having an affair with “Showgirls” stunner Gina Gershon.

    Gershon’s pitbull lawyers at L.A. celebrity law firm Lavely and Singer demanded a retraction from the mag, saying that “rumor mongering was substituted for fact-checking. It is apparent that Vanity Fair was intent upon publishing unsubstantiated rumors, and that it avoided learning the true facts so that the truth would not get in the way. Such conduct is reckless and malicious, giving rise to substantial liability for defamation.”

    But now the mag is biting back. A Vanity Fair spokeswoman says, “Todd Purdum’s article does not indicate that former President Bill Clinton had an improper relationship with Gina Gershon. The story merely examines the concerns of some of Clinton’s aides about reports of his behavior. We don’t believe that any correction is warranted.”

    Purdum attributed the rumored romance to “high-end Hollywood dinner-party gossip” in his profile of Clinton, “The Comeback Id.”

    The writer implied the affair was conducted cross-country as part of Clinton’s bad-boy behavior with bachelor pals Ron Burkle and Steve Bing.

    Gershon has stated that she has only met the former president on three occasions, all of them heavily supervised by the presence of other people.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/06/06/2008-06-06_vanity_fair_to_gina_gershon_sorry_but_we.html

  319. NewMexicoFan Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
    State fairs will happen in the Fall in every State.
    How about a ten or Booth to change the registration of people. I don’t think those are expensive.
    ========================

    Great idea! Have a xerox machine in the booth, make copies of the new resigtration card, maybe photograph the people changing, let them add a comment to a petition.

    Whatever we do, we need to DO OUR OWN DOCUMENTAION AND PROOF of the response. Then have one central website where that can all be posted. As well as invite journalists to see the originals.

    Otherwise the media will just poo poo it, or distort the story, if they even mention it at all.

    Also, why just at state fairs? We could do this any time, at FArmers Markets, or just in public parks or malls. Really, we would get less attention and press doing it at a big event like a state fair, becuse we’d be lost in everything else that goes on.

  320. basil,

    i am with you on the betrayed business, but not because she is
    supporting obama, but because she asked us to forgo our own
    principals and vote for him.

    she should have said, i cannnot speak
    for the 18 million that voted for me, you must talk directly with
    them and make them love you as they love me…

    no backroom deal for us, cause we dont ‘belong’ to anybody…

  321. DO NOT GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC!!!!

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY

    DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE CORRUPTED CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

  322. I love that you all have great ideas. Just to ad something that is “critical”. Before any ideas get launched there must be a plan. I know that is easy to say but without a solid plan in place you set yourselves up for failure.

    whenever you form a group, it is important to start with establishing a common goal. If at all possible it might be nessary to have a conference call with the admins of all sites and potential leaders within those sites to discuss what it is you plan to do.

    there are several factors that need to be considered not the least is the legal. Others include, organizational, media, recruitment, training, fundraising, let me underline “fundraising”.

    fail to plan…plan to fail

  323. Can you believe it, or should I say, surprise, surprise —

    Newsweek: What’s next for Hillary? Depression?

  324. yeah i noticed that its only more than fused,i do not want emails form the other side so i just got off there and unsubscribed to hillaryclinton.com

  325. djia,

    The storms were not as bad here, but they did have tornadoes about 20 miles south of the QCA. We had tornado warnings all day yesterday. And there was heavy rain, but no tornadoes in Davenport. Hope everyone is safe. The storms moved on quick and it went back to beings 95 degrees with 100% humidity lol 🙂

  326. birdgal Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    count the votes: the bots have already infiltrated the McCain blog. Nasty, nasty creatures. TM has gone to the pits. All the reasonable people have left.
    ==================================

    Heh. It would be fun to buy an ad at TM linking to the new contact site/s.

  327. hawk, awesome, we have to do everything in our power to BERID of the caucus system, it is a set for failure type of a system!

  328. Don’t tell people ‘don’t’ ! 🙂

    Yes, we soon need to focus in a few really good groups. But in the meantime, let people do whatever they feel like right now!

    This is the internet. The little groups will join soon enough, or some of them will wither away as people follow their links to more active groups.

    The best thing I’ve seen so far is http://blog.pumapac.org/ — PUMA! Party Unity My Ass! They’ve got a 527 set up and a discussion blog. But they are swamped, they are getting too many people wanting to sign up.

    Let some other groups record some of the new supporters and do other things. Eventually they can all share their membership lists.

  329. It’s TIME to ORGANIZE and TAKE BACK OUR PARTY until then VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN if Obambi is the nominee.

    Hillary Clinton got ROBBED and we ALL know it by the LACK of support, gerrymangering of the rules to FAVOR one CANDIDATE OVER ANOTHER IN THE dispersing of delegates and a PROPAGANDA MEDIA doing the dirty work of Pelosi/Dean/Reid and the other Democratic Leaders.

    The Democratic Party is a DISGRACE to this COUNTRY they have put WOMEN RIGHTS BACK DECADES not only in this country but globally by setting a example that IF THE UNITED STATES REALLY DOESN’T Believe in it as ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS.

    ANY WOMEN GROUP WORLDWIDE WHO BELIEVE WHAT WENT DOWN TO HILLARY CLINTON will NOT be use against them need their heads examine. You teach by example, You Lead by example and through example of action can you change the world.

  330. New Mexico, you are so right… thats why I suggested a conference call with the KNOWN blog site leaders first.

    I’m absolutely sure everyone has some skills that could be useful in setting up the group, but it is important that timing and utilization of those skills be used effectively.

    going public too soon could cripple any strategic effort.

    a consensus is important

  331. skmf,
    “she should have said, i cannnot speak
    for the 18 million that voted for me, you must talk directly with
    them”
    My feelings exactly.
    And while I will vote for mcCain I will never be able to fight for him the way I did with HRC.
    What i want to know is what the heck happened between her last message asking us to send suggestions as to what she should do next and her suspending the campaign?
    If she knew she was going to withdraw why didn’t she let us in on it?
    Were we used?

  332. As for consolidatng at some major groups, I hope that ADMIN will soon make another page linked from the top left, near the one she has for “Clinton Supporters Count Too” which will give links to groups that are really DOING something on the Internet already, such as PUMAPAC.

  333. I agree with many of you who have said we have all got to gather under one big tent – the admistrators of all these many sites need to come together under one clearly stated objective – to make people aware that O is not the candidate of the people and not equipped to be potus.

    Bloggers like to think they are world wide voices. WRONG. Bloggers are talking to bloggers. An insular group. Most people go to the web to buy things or look up a few maps or check out Wikipedia, etc and that’s all. Getting their news via msm, they really don’t know what the hell has happened. I know. I talk to them. We own a business and talk to customers all day long, 6 days a week. It’s amazing how many people have only a very shallow idea of what elections are all about.

    Many Democrats think of their party affiliation as part of their identity and can’t even imagine voting for anyone other than the party’s choice. These people are saying to me, “Well, he’s the nominee and I’m a Democrat so I vote with the party – besides, that’s what Hillary said to do, so are you a Democrat or not?”

    I can’t answer these people because they don’t want to hear me – they think I’m a sort of traitor. They don’t see that I’m standing with any large group of others, and until they see an identity for themselves in a large group, a nationwide movement which is part of their party, they will not be persuaded to learn what has really happened in this nomination process.

    It’s those party followers, those jingoists who essentially believe, “My party, right or wrong,” those are the ones we need to figure out how to reach. And they are legion! Most people are not into politics, most people don’t blog, most people don’t read political email or snail mail.

    How do we get to those people? They are not stupid! Many are very intelligent, many are also well-educated. And they are in all economic strata and all skin colors. I am living in a county that voted for O but I know that almost none of them have any idea why, or who he is, or any idea who Hillary Clinton really is, or how this primary season went down. Most voters don’t have time to dig out what’s really happening.

    There were no reps from the Clinton campaign talking to people here in this county. There were very few Hillary supporters I could reach out to, talk to, and we did not have any links to the campaign. Signs were rare, no demonstrations, no meetings, no phone calls, nada.

    We really need to get those people interested. As some of you have said (1950 Dem) we need on the ground networks to meet and teach on the street, in tents, at booths – we need to stop relying so heavily on the web and get visible – face to face, hand to hand. We need to help these people understand that the party is split over real principles and show them a way they can participate in creating a more democratic election process

  334. I received an e-mail from a Clinton supporter who used to send me newpapers to blog on Hillary’s behalf

    1st e-mail

    Hillary or McCain

    Hi Everyone–

    Just a few quick thoughts if I may.

    There are many, many ideas as to the most effective way to broadcast our disapproval of the actions taken by the DNC, Democratic party and media.

    So, I’ve been thinking….What are our two goals?
    From your emails and our discussions (always delightful to talk to my favorite people in the world that I’ve never actually met :-D;
    most of us want two things:

    Hillary as our nominee and President
    No Obama

    So, what’s the most effective way to reach our goals?
    Meet with McCain.
    It’s a platitude that actions speak louder than words. But meeting with McCain—and telling the press he’s our number 2 choice– will speak loudly to the DNC.
    More loudly, I believe, than all the rallies, protests or letter-writing campaigns we could muster.
    If this causes the SD’s to reconsider Obama at the convention (remote, I admit but possible)–we haven’t given anything away. McCain’s still our #2 choice (after HRC)
    If they don’t, we have a strategy and a coalition for how McCain can beat Obama.

    If I were to set this up—a meeting with Senator McCain and HRC supporters—perhaps in DC—perhaps somewhere else (Tell me where).
    Would you guys come and how many people could you bring? We would need some numbers to make this real.

    This is it, guys. This is the way to let them know we’re serious. I know, it feels kind of dangerous.
    Let’s do it anyway.

    Who is in?

    😀
    Paulie Abeles
    (smile’s back…)

    P.S.
    Most of the issues we (potentially) have with McCain are resolved by the Democratic congress we will certainly have. No radical Supreme Court appointments and Obama has already said he probably won’t be able to get out of Iraq in his first term anyway. McCain is only running for one term. Then, HRC in 2012

    2nd e-mail

    We’re doing it.

    Paula Abeles
    Okay guys– We’re doing it. Senator McCain is out west next weekend but they’…
    1:59 PM (4 hours ago)

    Okay guys–
    We’re doing it.
    Senator McCain is out west next weekend but they’re trying to set up a webcast—
    perhaps a group of us will meet in DC and anyone else that wants to can participate in the webcast via internet…

    Details to follow…

    Paulie Abeles

    Contact if interested
    Spabeles@patriot.net

  335. Do not, i repeat, DO NOT go to TM

    Here is my LAST post over there.

    Gee, Taylor,
    Wonder if your big appearance on the BO channel, MSNBC, had anything to do with your eagerness to throw HRC under the bus?
    Just asking.
    The rest of you olive-branch-extending we’re-all one-big-happy-family BS’ers here are 2 more votes that won’t go to HIM. One NOT for Waffles and one FOR McCain. ANYONE is better than Waffles in the WH.

  336. I just read where O played golf while Hillary gave her speech. And you wonder what he thinks of women. That showed a lot of disrepect.

  337. Do NOT Support the TALIBAN PARTY formerly known as the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    It’s HIllary Clinton or John McCain! DO NOT SURRENDER AND DO NOT RETREAT…IT’s WAR!!!

  338. NMF,
    Funny how he’s always taking 3 and 4 day weekends. i haven’t heard of HRC slacking off once, except on mother’s day and even then she was meeting with supporters in NYC.
    I guess BO golfs and vacations coz he’s known since last August, when Cruella, Herman, Germond, Dawson et al threw Florida under the bus that he had the gig. The primaries were just a formality, like any small town job which by law must be advertised to the public even though the prospective employee has already been designated by friends, relatives and backers in the local bureaucracy. As a former public school teacher i know all about the bogus posting of positions and interview process staged to feign compliance with federal and state law.

  339. Good for you Basil.

    President Clinton granted Taylor Marsh an almost unprecedented opportunity to interview him at regular intervals and at great length throughout his time in the White House.

    That’s how she repays them. Beyond what is beyond sickening…

    and BTW, I’m fucking pissed my posts lambasting Charlie Rangel disappeared! Two of them! WTF?! Have the BOTS taken over here too?

  340. Blue,

    Don’t despair.

    I may have copied them. I’ll take a look, later.

    In the meantime why not post a sequel; Rangle-Rant Part 2?

    I’m in the mood for some garlic and vitri-oil. 😈

  341. “why not post a sequel; Rangle-Rant Part 2?”

    I DID!!! IT TOOK ANOTHER 15 MINUTES TO DO, & NEVER SHOWED UP!!!

    WTF!?

  342. NAH BASIL, THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING, THEY JUST NEVER APPEARED.

    I clicked submit and they never came up.

    They weren’t that long either.

    Shit, if Hill got no staff, maybe the BOTS are minding the place!!!

  343. Paulie Abeles is the best ever. She is a great inspiration to all of us.

    Basil. Excellent post. I was there last night and zapped forty trolls. Like shooting gophers in the Montana praire. Still alot of Hillary supporters there but the obama factor is spreading like a deadly virus. I hope some lives can be saved.

    Now that the party has been taken over by the taliban and bambi has been coronated by a soviet court they make this mawkish appeal to us for unity and reasonableness. But behind this plea are the same same thugs and the same crystal night tactics.

    How ironic because before we were defenders of the status quo and they were the attackers willing to resort to indecent tatics, whereas now the positions are reversed and as the old saying goes one bad turn deserves another.

    Chicago Tribune is a useless rag. Today they had an article calling Hillarys speech yesterday was a concession speech, so I told them she never used that word, the word is a term of art which means forfeiture of delegates which did not happen and this was but one of a thouand attempts to distort this election.

    Then I saw a comment by some simple minded jerk (if I said obama supporter that would be redundent) that it is now Hillarys job to convince Israel that obama is a supporter. Bullfucking shit that is bambis job. The only one who knows whether he is a supporter or not is Bambi himself and it is rankest hearsay for anyone else to opine on the subject. He either convinces them or he doesnt. His lifetime of experience, his fellowship with anti semitic churches are problems of his own making. It is not her job to kill his snakes.

    When I see that I remember Ben Hogan in his cups at shady oaks country club waching doug sanders with a good case of the yips poised over a 2 foot putt for the us open which he is about to miss screaming across the room “goddamti step back-GET AWAY FROM IT!!!!!!!”

  344. blue,

    i read the Rangle rant yesterday and i remember thinking I would copy and paste but i guess i didn’t probably coz I’m not convinced Charlie was the sole reason HRC was strong-armed. I’ve always kinda liked Charlie . . .but now with Patterson signing a law that makes displaying a noose and ONLY displaying a noose a felony punishable by a 4 year prison term although equally harsh sentences were not imposed on other hate-crimes like displaying of swaztikas, and with Dawson, the Cruella clone who introduced the motion to strip Florida of delegates at the 8/27/07 RBC committee, who’s also a New yorker, flexing his new RBC sanctioned authority, maybe Charlie didn’t have a choice, for real, and he was delegated to break the news as someone HRC knows, respects and considers a friend. Sorry i don’t have the rant. it was a good one, too.

  345. Hi All,

    Before I get slammed as somebody who doesn’t post here (Because earlier I was slammed as an intruder), I have been a regular reader and fully support this site. I will NOT vote for BHO. I will not donate to the DNC. Howard Dean is as big a scumbag as David Axelrod.

    My quandry now is….Vote for McCain or not to vote at all. I have never considered myself a repub (in 36 years of voting), nor do I support much of what they stand for (e.g. 100 more years in Iraq!). At the same time, maybe it does Hillary more good to vote for McCain. Not to vote seems like a waste.

    Please help me decide….what to do! Thanks to all that helped me keep some sanity, instead of watching Matthews, Olbermann, et. al. I’ll support whatever is best for Hillary!

  346. wbboei,

    Great post but i’m afraid the golfing analogies went over my head. maybe you could talk golf with Waffles. Show him the difference between a 5-iron and a 12-iron (or however you refer to those club thingies).

    I know HRC didn’t concede but she did ENDORSE and I’m simultaneously fuming and grieving over it.

    Have you checked her (former) site, now run by the Tal-Obama party?

  347. chris c,
    I’ve seen you at NQ and TN, i think.
    IMHO, Not voting is a vote for BO.

    Voting McCain is 2 votes taken away from BO.

    I’m voting JM. I may disagree with some of his positions but at least i trust, admire and respect him. Anyone who spent 5 years in a prisoner-of-war camp and refused to be released until the rest of his crew were also pardoned is a hero and in my book. Just think about who you would rather have at the scene of an accident if you were injured; Johnny or Waffles?

  348. Censorship is alive and well.

    My last post has been deleted from TM. And I expect my current comment which is currently being ‘moderated’ will not appear, either. One unacceptable post and it seems you’re banned, although there wasn’t a darn thing inoffensive about what i said, was there?
    ‘Gee, Taylor,
    Wonder if your big appearance on the BO channel, MSNBC, had anything to do with your eagerness to throw HRC under the bus?
    Just asking.
    The rest of you olive-branch-extending we’re-all one-big-happy-family BS’ers here are 2 more votes that won’t go to HIM. One NOT for Waffles and one FOR McCain. ANYONE is better than Waffles in the WH.’

  349. ChrisC,

    Welcome! Briefly, staying home or writing in Hillary etc counts one strike against Obama. Voting McCain is TWO strikes against Obama.

    Also every vote for McCain moves the GOP toward center (McCain is a moderate by GOP standards) and helps the Dem party stay closer to center by rejecting the Pelosi/Brazile faction.

    If you want to send a specific message, donate to some pro-Hillary group such as
    PUMAPAC.org

  350. Basil: I am sorry. I will stop them immediately. No more golf analogies. Scouts honor.

    Speaking of golf I understand that waffles went for a golf lesson to sort of learn the game. The golf pro he saw was a friend of mine. So he went out to the practice tee and watched waffles wiff a couple and then asked started to make a few adjustments. Waffles told him forget about all that shit, what I want to know about this game is how do you cheat?

    My friend said well that is an excellent question. Great minds have pondered that one ever since he game began. Some people subtract a few strokes on the scorecard-math after all is not an exact science. Erasers have also been known to help. If you have an uncontrollable hook or slice that puts you 4 counties out of bounds then an extra golf ball same brand and number and a hole in your pocket have been known to help. But if all else fails talk to Axelrod.

  351. Steph STILL doesn’t get it.

    From ABC’s ‘THIS WEEK’:

    Senator Dianne Feinstein: No one brings to a ticket what Hillary brings. Eighteen million people committed to where she’s going.

    Steph: So you think she has a movement ?

    Senator Feinstein: Oh, I think she has a movement. Trust me, there is a movement.

  352. wbboei,

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

    even I got that one. 😀

    Gotta get out for some fresh air. Will be back later.

  353. wbboei,

    one more.

    On second thought, better not but your story reminds me of some guys who only wanted to know how to fly and not land. 😈

  354. Basil: you are good.

    btw: it is a badge of honor to be banned from tm. yesterday I received a warning that my comments were being moderated. After my little jihad last night I full expect to be banned. I am afraid to check because of Bluedems warning.

  355. I love Diane Feinstein. I went to a party for her sometime in the 1980s when she was mayor of san francisco. Seeing how she has stood by Hillary in this ordeal in ways that others have not only increases my respect and admiration for her. Thanks for the upthread posting.

  356. Admin, it is hard for me to understand who might be writing for you, or even if someone is directing you. I certainly do believe that you have a right to your opinion, if it is truly yours. However there is some organizational dynamics here that I think you fail to understand.

    When an organization is being run by bullies, and they have beaten off the nearest threat to their power, you do not fold in behind them, and become part of the gang, all the while trying to change the group from within. The group is being run by bullies, and that is who all the mindless followers will follow.

    When you have an organization like this, you must step out of the organization, and destroy the bullies that are leading it from the outside.

    That will only be done if they lose the power. The Democratic Party desperatly needs to win to survive. If they don’t win in November, they might not survive. In addition, the bullies will also now be failed leaders.

    So the only threat to these bullies are massive re- registering of the Dems to Rep, and a vote in November so they fail.

    These people have fraudulantly stolen this from the American People. The American people must send a knee to the you know where to get it back. A lose in November will take out O and probably D and make the others look for the woodwork.

    Group dynamics for change only works if the group is accepting of change. This group thinks they can buy, promise, and ignore the popular vote to get what they one. Folding in means submission.

    You can talk about the Democratic Parties beliefs all you want, but when bullies are in charge, believe me they have theirr own agenda, and it might not be Democratic.

  357. BTW- did Hawke send a rant to NQ? There’s a great rant there about IA: noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/08/my-final-rant/#more-2985

  358. NM. I just saw his post above.

    Hawke- it rocks. Thanks for posting it and thanks for enduring the shitstorm up there.

    Karma’s a bitch. And that bitch will get his.

  359. The BHO camp still don’t get it. Maybe that is why he still don’t asked for our votes. the following is exception from CNN.com

    “Obama advisers say they think the passion of the primary season will soon fade, and the party will unite around the senator from Illinois. But they’ve moved quickly to cement party unity: Last week, a thank you message — and a plea for visitors to “show your support” for Clinton — appeared on Obama’s Web site”

Comments are closed.