Voting For Barack Obama, Part IV

We wrote in Voting For Barack Obama, Part III

In 2007 and 2008 there has not been one single debate to discuss issues of paramount importance to women. There was 1 forum to discuss gay issues. There were debates geared to Latinos. There were many many debates and fora to discuss issues of concern to African-Americans. In one single day in Iowa there were 2 events geared to the African-American population.

But not one debate was ever held this entire election cycle to discuss issues specifically of concern to women. Not one debate was ever held this entire election cycle to discuss issues from the perspective of women. Not one debate.

Women are the workers in the Democratic Party. Women are the ones who volunteer and make calls and answer mail and send out mail and organize the vans and do the work that keeps the Democratic? Party running. Yet not one debate was considered in forethought or afterthought to ask women what they thought and to ask women what they needed.

The vile Ralph Nader used to denigrate gay and women issues as “gonadal politics”. It appears the Democratic? Party has become a gonadal party – women only needed in the back of the bus, in the kitchen – working – but no place at the table.

Obama has been a lead gang-banger in the misogyny parade

Now, Obama supporters and Democrats appear only to be concerned about Women. Hillary supporters are told: ‘The Supreme Court, Oh, The Supreme Court, Think of the Supreme Court and abortion and blah, blah blah’.

Women are expected to only care about abortion – not their self respect.

The cries for “Unity” are heard in abundance, in full shout, from those that sowed the seeds of division. However, the seeds of division have borne a bumper crop this year.

Democrats like Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi think they can wave the red flag of ‘Supreme Court’ or ‘Abortion’ and women will come running to the aid of the Democratic? Party and forget the misogyny Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi never spoke against while Hillary and her supporters were belittled and denigrated.

As we wrote in Voting For Barack Obama, Part III

No Democrat should abandon the Democratic Party in November without giving serious thought to the consequences. Any Democrat that proposes DEMOCRATS GO ON STRIKE this November must explain why. The issues are important and serious. In subsequent days we will examine, issue by issue, why Hillary can be trusted on the issues and Obama cannot be trusted on the issues. We will examine the proposal that an Obama nomination will force good DEMOCRATS TO GO ON STRIKE.

So, let’s discuss the Supreme Court and the several appointments the next president will make.

Can Obama or McCain be trusted with the several Supreme Court appointments the next president will make? NO, absolutely not.

We will discuss more throughly why Obama cannot be trusted to make Supreme Court appointments when we discuss the abortion issue. But we do know one thing right now – when Obama does something – anything – which people oppose, Obama shouts “Racism”.

McCain as president making a horrid Supreme Court appointment can be fought. Obama would simply peg us all as “Racists”.

That’s what Obama did after all when his judgment on sitting and giving money to the church of Pastor Wright came into question. Obama did not answer why he sat in that church for 20 years while “God Damn America” was shouted. Obama did not answer why he sat in that church for 20 years while the “N” word was used from the pulpit. Obama did not answer why he sat in that church for 20 years while the pastor humped the podium in a sexually suggestive manner in front of all the families cheering in the pews. No, Obama gave a speech on race – lecturing us on racism instead of addressing his own disgusting lack of judgment. Obama plunged us into a discussion on race when the issue was his judgment.

Obama as president would shout “racism” at the first sign of disagreement.

Further, Obama should not be trusted with constitutional issues. Has everyone forgotten Obama’s views on executive authority? Obama does not think Bush has done anything impeachable. Richard Nixon’s former White House counsel John Dean:

It was at that time that Dean expressed the opinion that “Bush is the first president to admit an impeachable offense,” Boxer said.

Boxer called it a “startling assertion” that is “especially poignant,” given Dean’s first hand experience with “the executive abuse of power and a presidential scandal arising from the surveillance of American citizens.” Dean was a pivotal figure in the Nixon White House Watergate scandal.

The American Civil Liberties Union:

While White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asserting Monday that the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program was a vital tool in the war against terrorism, a panel assembled by the American Civil Liberties Union was arguing that President Bush should be impeached over the spying program.

“If the political alignment in the country were otherwise, impeachment would be a no-brainer,” said Laurence H. Tribe, professor of constitutional law at Harvard University.

In December, the New York Times disclosed that President Bush had authorized the NSA to tap international telephone calls that included one party suspected of terrorist activity.

Since that time the program’s legality has been debated, especially over whether the president violated the law when he authorized the interception of electronic communications without first obtaining permission from the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court.

Tribe added that wiretapping is not an inherent power of the presidency. “That free flowing inherent power is the very thing we fought a revolution against.”

“It violates the basic rules of the road of how you operate,” said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU. “No judge, at any level has signed a warrant for this.”

John Dean, a former White House counsel during the Nixon administration, compared the Bush administration’s wiretapping to the Watergate scandal. “[Bush] has made such a radical reading of his powers, not unlike Nixon. And those who have operated under his behalf have pursued that policy, so it could well end up where we were at the Nixon White House.

There is no question in my mind that this president has already committed one or more impeachable offenses. This is pretty serious stuff. It’s worse than Watergate.”

Obama, Obama is fine with Bush’s offenses. Obama does not think Bush has committed impeachable offenses. Obama cannot be trusted on issues of executive authority. Obama should not be trusted to make Supreme Court appointments. Obama calls himself a constitutional expert but that is rubbish. To Obama “Impeachment is Not Acceptable:

“I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breaches, and intentional breaches of the president’s authority,” he said.

The argument against impeachment that made sense, back in Spring 2007, were practical arguments – not enough time, a distraction, etc. But it is inexcusable for a Democratic candidate to doubt that Bush’s many offenses are not “grave, grave breaches… intentional breaches” of the Constitution.

That Obama does not see Bush’s intentional breaches of executive authority as impeachable should inform all Americans that Obama is not qualifed, has insuffienct judgment and knowledge to make Supreme Court appointments.

Obama is not qualifed and lacks the judgment to be president.

McCain will make bad appointments to the Supreme Court too. But McCain we can fight – rationally and with success. McCain won’t shout “racism” when questioned.

The problem with a McCain presidency and the Supreme Court is not McCain, but Democrats. Democrats who ignored women and allowed Hillary to be attacked, encouraged Hillary to be attacked are now shedding crocodile tears about misogyny. These same Democrats wave the red flag of the “Supreme Court” in order to get women voters (Democrats apparently will still abandon the Latino and white working class voters) to fall in line and vote for Democrats this Fall.

However, why are we voting for Democrats? Will they do anything? Or is the Democratic? Party of Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi asking for votes in order to do NOTHING?

Let’s review a little history of Supreme Court nominations. A Congress with a spine can do wonders:

When Abe Fortas resigned in 1969 (because of a scandal separate from his Chief Justice bid), Nixon nominated Clement Haynsworth, a Southern jurist. His nomination was rejected by the Senate by a vote of 45-55 on November 21, 1969.

In response, Nixon nominated G. Harrold Carswell, a Southerner with a history of supporting segregation. The Senate rejected his nomination 45 to 51 on April 8, 1970.

Nixon finally nominated Harry Blackmun for the Fortas vacancy, and Blackmun was confirmed by the Senate with no opposition on 17 May 1970.

Justice Blackmun wrote the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 (we’ll discuss the abortion issue in a later installment in this series of Voting for Barack Obama). Democrats are waving the Roe v. Wade flag to get votes but they are not mentioning that Roe v. Wade was written by a Nixon appointee to the Supreme Court.

Republican President Reagan did not have a spineless Democratic Congress either:

When Lewis Powell retired in July 1987, Reagan nominated Robert Bork. Bork was a member of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia at the time and known as a proponent of constitutional originalism. Bork lost confirmation by a Senate vote of 42 to 58, largely due to Bork’s opinions on many controversial constitutional issues and also due to his role in the Saturday Night Massacre.

Reagan then announced his intention to nominate Douglas H. Ginsburg to the court. Before Ginsburg could be officially nominated, he withdrew himself from consideration under heavy pressure after revealing that he had smoked marijuana with his students while a professor at Harvard Law School. (Contemporary humor had Ginsburg’s nomination “going up in smoke”, with Bork’s having “gone down in flames” earlier.) Reagan then nominated Anthony Kennedy, who was confirmed by a Senate vote of 97-0.

Bork was an abomination. Democrats defeated the Bork nomination because Democrats actually fought. Justice Kennedy became the major swing vote in Supreme Court decisions. Justice Kennedy also wrote the Court’s opinion in Lawrence v. Texas, a major victory for gay rights advocates.

What does this mean? It means that Senate Democrats with spines don’t need a Democratic president in order to protect abortion rights. If a President McCain wanted to appoint a Justice who is unacceptable Democrats should either refuse to vote at all or vote the appointment down.

If Democrats don’t fight for Democratic values why should we elect them?

The idea of voting for Obama due to potential Supreme Court appointment opportunities the next president will have is not a convincing argument. Obama is not to be trusted. The U.S. Senate will protect abortion rights and keep out suspect appointments to the Supreme Court. If Democrats in the U.S. Senate cannot accomplish that task then they are admitting they are not up to the job and do not deserve our votes.

Democratic Senators will simply have to grow … a spine.

We like Clydes take:

One of the things during election cycles that I used to preach about was how the Republican Party continually used anti-pro choice laws as a way to fire up their evangelical base. They do this by telling the true believers that if they (the GOP) control Congress and the Senate, there will be a constitutional amendment sometime in their life span that will completely outlaw abortions in this country. Of course, we all know the chances of that amendment actually happening are slim to none. The best that the GOP can hope to do is to get a few ringers annointed to the Supreme Court. [snip]

But what you have to remember is that when it comes to pro choice rights, the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans who cater to the anti-choice crowd and probably a lot worse because pro-choicers haven’t gotten shit from the Senate or Congress in quite a while. The male dominated Democratic Members of Congress have shown themselves to be too wimpish to put up a decent fight whether it’s the Iraq War or Supreme Court Judges.

But I honestly believe that when it comes to Supreme Court judges and reproductive rights, they really just don’t give a damn about it one way or the other until election time and they can start dangling the abortion carrot with the usual horror stories about what will happen on the Supreme Court if Republicans carry the day again. I can almost hear them in their offices and in back room caucuses now chortling about how throwing that little carrot will get those bitches into the voting booth one more time. Play it again, BO!

In fact, we’ve already heard the rumblings about how all the women who supported Clinton will come around to vote for BO Superstar because if they don’t then The Supreme Court will be totally dominated by right wing Republicans causing pro-choicers and women everywhere to lose all their rights to doing whatever the deem necessary with their reproductive systems, or in some states even buying birth control.

There is no doubt in my mind that one of the reasons Roberts and Alito sailed through is because the male dominated Congress didn’t care enough to make that big of a fuss. I mean, if they had actually forced the Republicans into putting forth at least one more moderate judge, how would they get the ladies into the voting booth in the fall?

Yes, I know some of them voted against the appointments. I also know that Obama was about to vote for Roberts until someone tapped him on the shoulder and told him it might not be political expedient what with the presidential election just around the corner. Which pretty much proves what I’m talking about. It’s always an after thought except in an election year. [snip]

The point I’m trying to make is that if women really care about their reproductive rights, then they’ll start demanding more from Congress then simple appeasement. By going into the voting booth every four years and pulling the lever for a Democrat out of habit, then you aren’t doing anything more than agreeing to let the Male dominated legislature control your sex organs for another four years. If you don’t start demanding something more for your vote, if you simply give in again because the Dems are dangling that damn abortion carrot as a threat, if you don’t demand that they do something to protect your rights other than paying lip service every four years, then this cycle will continue to play out from now until eternity. But at least you can still watch Oprah.

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246 thoughts on “Voting For Barack Obama, Part IV

  1. I’ll just reiterate what I posted the end of the last thread, sans the article, that it was Charlie Rangel who sold Hillary out.

    She should’ve told him to go fuck his mother.

    And that, as Forrest Gump said, is all I have to say about that.

  2. Just had a length phone call from a 75 year old female aquantance. She said she was mad, and wanted to know what to do. I told her she had to decide, but I was voting for MCCain.

  3. REPOST

    Hi Guys,

    Just had to comment on something I read the other day on No Quarter, about how the Puerto Rican vote is being analyzed as racist (NQ gave the link.) Just like NQ is saying (and a lot of us here), any vote not for Obama is being interpreted as racist. Hillary won in PR because she and her family criss-crossed the whole island, talking to people, and earning every single vote. OB basically ignored us — of which I’m glad!

  4. Great blog, as usual! I really do believe that have a guy that will reach across party lines like McCain and a very strong Democratic congress might be the best thing that could happen. The conga line for all-you-can-eat buffet that proceeds the moment one party (either party) gains complete control of executive and legislative branches is as certain as death and taxes.

    I’m feeling better about McCain by the minute!

  5. just some thoughts on JM’s running mate

    the folks i work with are defense-industry true-repugs. they hate JM and may only vote for him holding their collective noses. i cannot believe JM would move closer to the center with his VP pick and alienate the conservative base any further. i am thinking along the lines of mitt romney..conservative, young, eye-candy and from michigan!

    quite frankly, i don’t give a rats-ass who he picks as VP. my vote is going to JM, regardless.

  6. admin

    thanks for hanging around. i was afraid you might leave us. anyway, you just never know what lurks around the corner! 🙂

  7. “I belong to no organized political party – I’m a Democrat!” – Will Rogers

    Now THERE was a man who could see into the future, huh? 😉

  8. For those who haven’t seen this article:

    thehill.com/leading-the-news/feinstein-calls-clinton-obama-meeting-positive-2008-06-06.html

  9. from hillary website comment,

    Referring to Senator Clinton as a dead body. MSNBC Matthews says its doing an autopsy on Hillary.

    And to think she made a time referrence to RFK and they jumped on her like she was a terrorist.

    Now he is expecting Bill and Hillary to travel with BO to make sure he will get HRCs supporters.

    The commentary is disgusting. Need to write sponsors.

    by Poochgirl at 6/6/2008 7:24:38 PM

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  10. Admin: Outstanding article. Women cannot be sheep, and follow the democratic into hell.

    I agree, totally, with your analysis. We need checks and balances, which a McCain presidency and a moderate congress would provide. I will not be blackmailed by threats against my uterus or SCJs. They took it, too far this time. There is no turning back.

  11. But it sounds like they are trying to cover for him in the last few paragraphs of that article.

  12. Found this on The Confluence:

    Copied shamelessly from TaylorMarsh’s site:

    Got an email from Terry about this campaign. I hope everyone gets involved. Let’s blanket her Senate office with 18 million cards! No one deserves it more.

    Terry has a specific message:

    We are trying to get a “Thank you card campaign” started. We want to flood Senator Clinton’s DC office with thank you cards. On the front of the envelope we are writing “WE ARE ONE OF 18 MILLION” and we are asking her to take it to Denver. We want to reach as many supporters as possible so it can be effective. THE ADDRESS:

    THE HONORABLE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    UNITED STATES SENATE

    476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON

    DC 20510-3202

    But a thank you card for all she’s done works too.

    Hillary fought for us. So let’s send a card to Senator Clinton. Then tell your friends to send one. Then get them to get their friends to send one.

    Peeps, we can totally do this. I know many of us haven’t been to the post office in ages but I think how this works is we get these little paper square thingies with sticky stuff on the back of them and put them on bigger pieces of paper. Then, you put the paper in a slot and, magically!, it appears in her office a couple days later. Of course, it requires a bigger series of Tubez than the internets but I’m adventurous. Let’s give it a try.

    I want her to be deluged with mail when she opens her office door. I want it to flood the hallway and down the stairs. I want Barack Obama to have to wade knee deep through “Thank You, Hillary!” mail. I want him to have nightmares about being buried in it up to his neck, drowning in a sea of “I AM ONE OF 18 MILLION”.

  13. funny how the bots throw abortion rights at us as a threat. we fought for the right to choose. we won the right to choose (under the nixon administration) and that right has survived the likes of ford, reagan, bushies one AND two. if a supreme court tilt turns it back the other way, then so be it. perhaps the young women who are so entranced with their new-baby-jesus-saviour need a lesson in what it means to really fight for basic rights. they’ve had it easy. they’ve had it handed to them.

    for me that’s an old battle and i really don’t give a shit. mc cain can throw it back to the 1950’s as far as i’m concerned.

  14. Dean’s Election Paved Way for Clinton Loss
    Chuck Todd says Sen. Hillary Clinton’s first setback on the road the White House was the election of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean as party chairman.

    “Dean’s election was a clear break from the Clinton way of running the DNC. In hindsight, it was malpractice for a political family who believes it controlled the Democratic Party to have allowed Dean and his grass-roots followers to take over.”

  15. Laura sitting in for O’Reilly is a.#@%^@. Nasty gal. Her hate of the Clintons just jumps through the TV and grabs you around the throat.

    Don’t these people know that the more they viciously attack Hillary and Bill Clinton the more they harden up our choice for McCain?

  16. Southern Born, Hearing to Laura make me have nothing to do with Repugs. She has been dissing Hillary.

  17. I don’t care at this point what John McCain did or did not do! He is the anti-Obama candidate. I believe most women will not think about anything in the voting booth except how much they hate Obama and his maniacs!
    The only think I expect out of John McCain is that he is a true American and he loves this country as much as I do! So all those Obama people need to STFU, we will not vote for the fraud!!!!

  18. Everytime I hear dissing of Hillary the more I know I can pull a straight repug ticket.
    Ophray can’t get me to vote for the fraudulent communist either!
    I hope this and the other blogs will help us thru November to stay strong and not vote for any Dem!

  19. We have the power to fire the pundits – through their ratings and sponsors.
    I found a posters comment that I just loved, loved, loved and used but comments would get deleted.

    “Obama supporters think his BS is chocolate fudge.”

  20. I hope to God Hillary stays AWAY from any ticket with Barack Obama. Let that fucker lose all on his own. She is not to blame for anything that HE does from here on out. And I hope to god with every fiber in my being that he loses and loses big time. Fuck the media.

    Why should her popularity hinge on hlw he does.

  21. dot48 Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
    Something funny .. Hillary is still the HOT TOPIC. I bet Bambi is still wiping his ass

    Isn’t it amazing? They cannot leave her alone.

  22. hilarious. some of the bot-commentators are already threatening a backlash in 2012 if HRC supporters don’t help BO in 2008. that’s funny, i thought they didn’t need us??

  23. yep, the more they diss her the more hardened I get against him. I think most Hillary supporteres feel the same way.

    To try to blame her for every flipping thing he does wrong from now on out when he loses .. that is absolutely the most out there thing. I’ve never heard such a thing.

    They are already trying to start the blame game .. if he loses, we’ll blame Hillary .. so be a good girl and vote for the bullshitter or we’ll be harder on Hillary than ever.

    Oprah Winfrey is not gaining bambi any votes .. women despise her now. If she thinks that she can help him with voters now .. she is nuts. Oprah is not that popular anymore.

    The bitch Kelli Goff will not cut it out.

  24. Re: My post at 7:56. There is some discussion that this might just be an internet rumor, since no one has received an e-mail, asking supporters to do this. The note was posted on TM, but it might be incorrect. Some people are doubting the authencity of this request.

  25. And for somebody who is so unpopular .. how did Hillary end up with the most votes???

    The media doesn’t get it. Hear Matthews is now conducting an autopsy.

    The backlash is gonna get worse if they keep it up, people are getting angrier and angrier at this. She has said she’ll support him and help him. What more do they want, her death I suppose.

    I wish everyone of them mfucking pundits gets ass cancer.

  26. If they are playing the blame game, it is going to backfire greatly. Dot, like you, I am hardening day by day, as are millions of others. This is not the way to win back supporters for the dems. Actually, they are doing the opposite. The bots do not get it. One does not win support, by threatening and blaming. They are absolutely clueless.

  27. I think the card idea is still a great idea though. No advice for Denver but just a card and some words of support for her.

    What a unique woman. I know that in my lifetime there will never be another candidate who comes near her ability.

  28. foxnews, bringing up monica and dennis miller is non stop dissing hillary. I am not voting for Hillary that does not mean I have to vote for Repugs. Fuck you dennis get lost

  29. Nor does the media get it. I think they are scared to death now that they crowned the loser and they have to “set Hillary up” to take the fall for his fucking loss. Not in this lifetime. They are all a bunch of losers

    I have trouble with some of the aspects of Hills campaign but this nomination is not legit.

    Hillary is a much better candidate than her campaign for sure but in the last months, they righted the ship and she came on like gangbusters.

    I still hold out hope for that tape .. I saw a quote from somebody today on the tv that went something like .. “even it something comes up now and he is taken out” .. the party is not at all convinced he’s a winner even though they got who they wanted.

  30. clintondem

    ain’t it funny they can’t leave HRC alone? what will they do after tomorrow? they will be left with what they have sown. have a fuckin’ ball, pundits.

  31. ha!! she is so unpopular that 54 percent of registered dems think she should be the veep.

    Part of me in a venomous way wants me to have her make them put her on the ticket just to get revenge on the fucking media jerks. It would give me extreme joy to watch Olgerman have to gush about her for a while …LOL

  32. I am notvboting for Obama That does not mean I have to vote for these hateful characters. I still remember the impeachment.

  33. Well if you don’t vote you are giving Wafflehead the vote. A vote for McCain takes away 2 from him. I’ll do it and won’t even blink. Fuck them, this is WAR.

  34. check your e-mails. Hillary’s event tomorrow will be broadcast on her website at 12 noon EST. She wants to thank her online supporters.

  35. Alcina, I agree. Since Bush has takent us back to the 1930, the 50’s would be progress. No one is going to blackmail me on rights of any kind. We really can manage a republican president with house and senate control. And, the little genx’ers who haven’t had to lift a finger (and I have a couple of terrific grandsons in this group) need to accomplish something on their own rather than having everything handed to them.
    Love my grandsons dearly but they haven’t had to deal with much conflict in their young lives; if the economy keeps on tanking that will change big time.

  36. No after tomorrow they will say that she is “giving it enough” .. she isn’t “working” hard enough.

    I hope she tells them to fuck off. I swear a person can just take so much. They wouldn’t even give her a few days to try to get her staff laid off, give them a thank you party, say goodbyes and all.

    They will expect her next week to start working for him and I hope she just goes back to her Senate job.

    I don’t see any of the other asses out working that hard for him. Edwards endorsed and run, so did so many others.

    It burns me to to hear Waffles say that he “looks forward to Bill working for him on the campaign” .. I hope Bill conveniently gets sick. Fuck that asshole.

  37. Dot: I hope Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea take a well-deserved vacation. I also, hope that Bill does not campaign for waffles. Afterall, the Clinton represent everything that is wrong with the world. Why would the waffles campaign want to sully their campaign with the likes of the Clintons? snark, snark.

  38. dot48, even Bill and Hill campaign for him, we will not vote for him because he is not ready for CIC. besides, a big lost of BHO is a huge win for hillary in 20012.

  39. bird
    i am in total agreement. they (clintons) really need to get away for a while and sort things out. they owe NOTHING to BO except a crushing defeat in NOvember.

  40. also, I hope this blogs stay up .. especially through November. I don’t think this is over by any means. She just must not “concede” or release her delegates. However, with the bullshit and theft by the party it would not surprise me if they steal her other delegates.

    I met so many of you here at Big Pink. I met others at TM. I emailed with many who phonebanked with me into Tennessee, Texas, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, PA…..

    I still in my heart feel that they stole North Carolina and Indiana .. Hillary came on so strong in these last states and the people WANTED HER .. they don’t want Obama. I do think that many people will just go ahead and vote the party line .. especially those who are not connected and know what has really happened.

    That is why it is so important that we continue to talk about this to people everyday .. don’t let them forget as the campaign goes on.

  41. Friday, June 06, 2008
    BHO’s 4 Foreign Policy Flip Flop

    Obama’s Shifting Foreign Policy Shows That The Only Real Change He’s Promising Is In His Own Positions

    FLIP-FLOP #1: In His Remarks To The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Obama Said That Jerusalem Should Be The Undivided Capital Of Israel, But Later Said The City’s Future Should Be Negotiated By Israel And The Palestinians:

    On Wednesday, Obama Said Jerusalem Would Be The Undivided Capital Of Israel. Obama: “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

    One Day Later, Obama Said The Future Of Jerusalem Would Have To Be Negotiated By Israel And The Palestinians. CNN’s Candy Crowley: “I want to ask you about something you said in AIPAC yesterday. You said that Jerusalem must remain undivided. Do Palestinians have no claim to Jerusalem in the future?” Obama: “Well, obviously, it’s going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues.” (CNN’s “The Situation Room,” 6/5/08)

    “Facing Criticism From Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama Acknowledged Today That The Status Of Jerusalem Will Need To Be Negotiated In Future Peace Talks, Amending A Statement Earlier In The Week That Jerusalem ‘Must Remain Undivided.'” (Glenn Kessler, “Obama Clarifies Remarks On Jerusalem,” The Washington Post’s “The Trail,” Blog, http://www.washingtonpost.com, 6/5/08)

    FLIP-FLOP #2: Obama Now Claims That He Will Only Meet With Foreign Leaders At A Time Of His Choosing If It Will Advance U.S. Interests, But Previously Said He Would Meet With Rogue Leaders His First Year In Office Without Preconditions:

    In His Remarks To The AIPAC Conference, Obama Claimed That He Would Only Meet With The “Appropriate Iranian Leaders At A Time And Place” Of His Choosing. Obama: “Contrary to the claims of some, I have no interest in sitting down with our adversaries just for the sake of talking. But as President of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing – if, and only if – it can advance the interests of the United States.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

    But At A July 2007 Debate, Obama Said He Would Meet With Hostile Leaders During His First Year In Office. Question: “[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?”…Obama: “I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration – is ridiculous.” (CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Charleston, SC, 7/23/07)

    At A September 2007 Press Conference, Obama Confirmed That He Would Meet Specifically With Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Question: “Senator, you’ve said before that you’d meet with President Ahmadinejad …” Obama: “Uh huh.” Question: “Would you still meet with him today?” Obama: “Yeah, nothing’s changed with respect to my belief that strong countries and strong presidents talk to their enemies and talk to their adversaries. I find many of President Ahmadinejad’s statements odious and I’ve said that repeatedly. And I think that we have to recognize that there are a lot of rogue nations in the world that don’t have American interests at heart. But what I also believe is that, as John F. Kennedy said, we should never negotiate out of fear but we should never fear to negotiate.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Press Conference, New York, NY, 9/24/07)

    FLIP-FLOP #3: Obama Has Pivoted In His Opposition To Legislation Labeling Iran’s Revolutionary Guard A Terrorist Organization:

    Obama Has Been Inconsistent In His Views On Labeling Iran’s Revolutionary Guard A Terrorist Organization. “Obama’s campaign suddenly discovered that their man–despite having spent the last nine months campaigning on his opposition to Kyl-Lieberman–‘has consistently urged that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard be labeled what it is: a terrorist organization.’ Well, not that consistently. Senator Obama has been scrupulously careful not to call explicitly for designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization. Now, however, with the Democratic nomination almost in hand, Obama feels comfortable telling a pro-Israel audience what it wants to hear.” (Danielle Pletka, “Obama’s Pander Pivot,” Weekly Standard, 6/4/08)

    “[T]he Audience At AIPAC Might Ask Why Senator Obama Has Pivoted From Opposition To ‘Lieberman-Kyl’ To Support For The IRGC Designation His Audience Demands. Is This Really Change They Can Believe In?” (Danielle Pletka, “Obama’s Pander Pivot,” Weekly Standard, 6/4/08)
    “Which Barack Obama Will Be The Democratic Standard-Bearer: The One Who Vowed To ‘Eliminate’ The Iranian Nuclear Threat Two Days Ago, Or The One Who Opposed Designating The Revolutionary Guards A Terrorist Organization?” (Editorial, “Obama And Iran,” The Washington Times, 6/6/08)

    FLIP-FLOP #4: Obama Now Claims That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006, But He Supported Them At That Time:

    Obama Says That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006. Obama: “There is no room at the negotiating table for terrorist organizations. That is why I opposed holding elections in 2006 with Hamas on the ballot. The Israelis and the Palestinian Authority warned us at the time against holding these elections, but this administration pressed ahead. And the result is a Gaza controlled by Hamas, with rockets raining down on Israel.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

    But During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East, Obama Met With Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas And Said The Election Represented An “Opportunity…To Consolidate Behind A Single Government.” “Illinois Senator Barack Obama’s journey to the Middle East took him to the West Bank Thursday for a meeting with the man elected to replace Yasser Arafat. … For a time Thursday in the West Bank there was only the clatter of cameras as the newly elected president of the Palestinian authority, Mahmoud Abbas, meets with Illinois Senator Barack Obama. At a meeting with Palestinian students Thursday, Obama said the US will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental missio n to eliminate Israel, and Obama told ABC7 he delivered that message to the Palestinian president. ‘Part of the opportunity here with this upcoming election is to consolidate behind a single government with a single authority that can then negotiate as a reliable partner with Israel,’ said Obama.” (Chuck Goudie, “Obama Meets With Arafat’s Successor,” ABC 7 News, http://obama.senate.gov, 1/12/06)

    The Palestinian News Agency WAFA Reported That Obama Was Supportive Of The Palestinian Elections Being Held At Their Scheduled Time. “President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with the US Senator the US Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), in the Presidential HQ in Ramallah…President briefed the US Senator about the latest developments in the Palestinian territories including the preparations for the legislative elections…. Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American- Palestinian economic relations…Obama asserted the US supports and eager that the Palestinian legislative elections on its proposed time (January 25).”

  42. What I meant to say in my last post was that listening the nasty Laura on FOX makes me NOT to vote for the Rep. John McCain and of course never Obama.

    The sirens were going off, TV saying to take cover now, tornado was spotted 7 miles from here and headed this way and here I am so disgusted that I just had to sound off before heading to the basement!

    It’s okay now. This has been one strange weather and political season. Tornadoes, floods, lies, back stabbing, and more lies and nasty stuff.

  43. Also, I’m not an intensely emotional person but I can only think of one other situation that I was this emotionally invested in a person. It hurt like hell then and it hurts like hell now.

    I look back now and wish I’d gotten involved this time last year .. maybe I could have done more. I don’t regret one minute but boy it sure sucks what they have done to her.

    I can’t keep the lumps out of my throat and the tears from flowing . I will watch online tomorrow because you know the pundits will torture her once again. MSNBC is giving HOURS of coverage … one more torching of the witch I guess .. Olgerman and TweetyBird ..how fitting. I bet they bring a coffin onset.

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  45. With you 100% dot48, this is war, I’m voting McCain just to let the DNC feel what its like to lose. Obama wants to play unfair, then fine, fire with fire. Besides, Brazille said the DNC doesn’t need us, so OK, McCain won’t mind several million ‘bitter’ dems to vote for him, will he?

  46. Don’t know if you’ve noticed it or not but all of a sudden all of the Bambi supporters on tv are wearing the “Obama” pins .. Waffles has taken off his flag pin and now is wearing one of them as well.

    These visual things do burn into the brain I’m afraid.

    Goody, goody, H&C is going after Obama for flip flopping on Israel ..

    Obama is denying it of course.

    George Galloway just endorsed Obama but you won’t hear anything from anyone but Fox.

    Where is Bob Beckel????

  47. While we are callin’ out pundits, and I use that term loosely, i want to let yall know for those who didn’t hear it this morning that Carl Berstein referred to HIllary’s Tuesday night speech as “Shooting herself in the head.” One of the women pundits said, “shoot herself in the foot.” And he corrected her and said, ” I said, she shot hersel in the head.” The anchor, to her credit, said, “I don’t like that…we’ll use some other expression” ( or words to that effect). Now that she has been in effect forced out of the race, they use this language of “death” to describe her. I do not like it. We need to write them about it. The media has stolen our future.

  48. dot

    maybe cspan will cover hillary’s address. that way it will be seen and heard as it should be, without having to listen to the sadistic MSM pigs getting off at our girls expense.

    don’t worry, dot..their time will come. we will have the last laugh come NOvember. hillary will rise. she always does.

  49. The more Obama speaks the more his inexperience is showing. Hannity is tearing him up. This gives me the best pep of today. Obama is so weak. Of course they want to tell Hannity that they are taking things out of context … Obama turns everything out of context and it’s okay.

  50. dot48,

    Don’t know if you’ve noticed it or not but all of a sudden all of the Bambi supporters on tv are wearing the ‘Obama’ pins .. Waffles has taken off his flag pin and now is wearing one of them as well.

    Reminds me of that Michael Jackson video where he had his own private military and they were all wearing the same uniforms and medals.

  51. We need to get on the email chain with Hannity and tell him to keep pointing out Obama’s weakness. The Republicans need to come out in full force and the more they hear the better. They won’t hear it on MSM so Fox is fine .. that’s where they go. We know this stuff already and the more the Repubs hear it the more galvanized their base will be.

    Obama is a disaster on foreign policy. I look for him to tap Joe Biden though to drag his sorry ass around. He’d have Joe doing all the labor on it.

    Obama is just a lazy slob who is so unqualified for this job and I don’t care how many good advisors you have … this is a job where the buck stops at the desk. He would be a total fuck up in the job. The more I hear about him .. I’m scared to death.

  52. molly-j

    the horrible MSM associations of shooting, autopsy, death and assassination only meet with (glee-full) approval when associated with our candidate. they are out of control. do yourself a favor and turn it off.

  53. joe-friday

    the same uniforms, medals and pins remind me of a certain symbol very popular in the 1930’s and 40’s.

  54. McCain needs to run his military ad ALL SUMMER LONG. There has to be some deep pockets out there to fund him.

    I want him to pick a woman but if he picked Romney as his vp he’d get unlimited money .. or can Romney just use his money for his own campaign

  55. I did turn them off. But they’re out there. And what they are doing to our democracy is unbelievable

  56. When they came for Bill Clinton, did the Dems stand up for him? When they said vile things about Al Gore did they stand up for him? When they are spoken in the most horrible terms about Hillary shouldn’t we do more than just turn the channel.

    I agree with you, Molly J. What they are doing to our country and our democracy is unbelievable. Where do we go from here and how much worse is this going to get?

  57. dot

    JM needs to do what is electorally wise. he has the benefit of seeing who BO chooses before he has to make the choice due to the dem convention convening before the repugs. it all boils down to the electoral votes.

  58. dot48

    this is tough for all of us. we’ve stood behind the most amazing candidate in our lifetime(s). that is something to be extremely proud of. history will prove us right.

    gotta go..see you tomorrow.

  59. southernborn: We all wonder if we could’ve done more because that’s the kind of people us folks are, but we did all we could. And I don’t believe it’s over

  60. I hope you are right, Molly. I hope this thing is not over. You know, even if Hillary runs again in the next election, at this low point for us after a long, nasty nominating race, it just seems like they (Dems, Rep, MSM, etc) will try to stomp her into dirt again. She is a fighter and she can rise but…

    It’s not just Barack Obama we should worry about…now it seems so much more than that.

  61. I think Hillary should just come out and tell the news organizations that she will not put up with their nasty record on women any longer. She should tell to stop all the BS or she will take this stolen election to the Supreme Court! There is just no reason for Msm to keep stirring the pot. They need to stop. We need to demand respect or we will get it from the courts.

  62. Interesting post by HillBuzz:

    Did Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid decide to sacrifice the White House in order to increase the party’s majority in Congress?

    This is being discussed in a great many blogs today: did Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Donna Brazile, and other party leaders decide early in this primary season that winning the White House in 2008 was not the real goal of the DNC this year: instead the focus is really on expanding Democratic majorities in Congress, and possibly shooting for filibuster-proof majority.

    The media reports continuously that Obama draws young people and new voters to the Democratic party (failing, of course, to mention that Hillary Clinton also drew voters in both those categories too). Often, those young people are double-counted as new voters in the statistics the party uses, so the numbers the media uses to laud Obama are skewed (young people are, obviously, most likely to also be new voters, since many were not old enough to vote in 2004).

    The media loves reporting on this because this youth demographic is exactly the one networks covet, because it’s what the advertiserse want, and that leads to big bucks in commerical buys. So, it behooves the networks to keep talking about how wonderful Obama is, because that’s what the networks believe the young people want to hear, and if they are guaranteed to hear this on MSNBC, and are guaranteed to hear nothing negative about Obama on a certain network, then the execs feel that youth influx will be a boon for their ratings (and, it largely has).

    Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Brazile, and company all believe the same will be true for Democrats long term: they believed early on that Obama was the best candidate to bring young voters to the Democratic Party, to get them in this year, so that the Democrats increase in number through the next few election cycles, while the GOP becomes the party of yesterday.

    It appears, on the surface, to be a good strategy, for both the DNC and MSNBC. In the short term, the DNC, linked to Obama, anticipates a surge in new donations, even if they are, of course, funneled exclusively to the DNC through the joint arrangement Obama’s campaign has made with Dean & Co. Obama’s run an extremely productive and impressive fundraising machine and his team is to be commended for that. Just how that translates over to the DNC remains to be seen, though, because the people Obama attracts aren’t really all that interested in the Democratic Party. To them, it’s all about Obama, and what they call his “movement”. His supporters don’t know much about the Democratic Party’s history or its platforms: they just know they support Obama, and that’s why they came to the party.

    The DNC believes these people will stick around no matter what happens in the fall. That, even if John McCain beats Obama in a year Democrats have no valid excuse to lose, all the people Obama has attracted to his candidacy will remain loyal Democrats, there to support Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and Brazile in all they hope to accomplish.

    There has been no evidence of that yet — and no sense amongst Obama’s supporters that they are now committed, lifelong Democrats. They are Obama supporters, decked out in all his gear, and cheering fervently for him, but they have so far not shown any passionate interest in the longterm agenda of the Democratic Party or its down-ticket candidates. The party is betting that Obama supporters will follow his lead and vote straight Democratic down the ballot. Maybe they will. But, what will all the people who don’t support Obama do? If Obama doesn’t win in the fall against McCain, won’t all the people voting for McCain vote against all the down-ticket Democrats linked to Obama? Won’t all those people lose?

    That’s something we’re going to look at, in different states this weekend. What Congressional races do Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and Brazile believe Obama’s supporters will tip in Democrats’ favor? Remembering all the primary maps from this year, Obama won, pretty consistently, counties with large cities and universities. Those counties are the ones, logically, that Obama should be expected to be the best draw for down-ticket Democrats. If there are close races against vulnerable Republicans in those Congressional districts, then the strategy could be to use Obama’s star power to pick up more seats in the House and Senate in key areas, even if Obama loses the state’s electoral votes to McCain.

    When Democrats control Congress, it’s best to have a Republican in the White House as a foil: without a villain for Congress to oppose, Pelosi and Reid don’t have a lot of room to weild their power or make speeches railing against an obstructionist President. It also helps with DNC fundraising to have a villain in the White House to build war chests to use against. Fundraising appeals are much more effective when the DNC has someone like Bush to pick apart, than when the appeals can only solicit funds to “continue the good work of the Democratic President”.

    So, Obama could serve a few purposes for the DNC:
    1. he appeases the liberal elite, who could be counted on to funnel money to the DNC through Obama
    2. he could help pick up seats in Congressional districts where his base overwhelms the GOP
    3. his loss to McCain would guarantee 4 more years of opposition for Pelosi and Reid to exploit at every advantage
    4. having McCain as President means 4 more years of spirited fundraising for the DNC, making a lot of use of “McSame” slogans no doubt.

    For the media, who are the liberal elite incarnate, a McCain presidency offers the best of both worlds: it gives them a chance to paint Obama in shades of RFK/JFK during the primaries (which they love doing, because they all attended the same top schools and were all taught by the same top professors who all, basically, thought RFK was tops and, thus, nostalgically yearn to breathlessly report on his campaign again, vicariously through Obama) and also will give them 4 more yeras of Republican bashing in the fall, when McCain defeats Obama. Then, of course, the media will build their case for an Obama rematch against McCain in 2012, and perhaps a third run for Obama in 2016, up against Jeb Bush, no doubt. Who knows, the media could still be pushing Obama’s candidacy against a combined Jenna/Barbara Bush ticket in 2024 (Wonder Twin Powers, Activate!).

    The media would be thrilled to have Obama become the new Adlai Stevenson, perpetual candidate in the Democratic Party, because, ironically enough, all his talk of Hope and Change will ultimately only ensure the status quo: Democrats controlling Congress, the DNC raising a lot in the short term (but squandering it immediately), and Republicans controlling the White House – in 2008, and indefinitely, if the current DNC leadership gets its way.

  63. I work for a male chavenist, and I can tell you I am sick of being treated unfairly and Hillary needs to take a stand against the media, not only for herself, but for us too!

  64. That could explain why Hillary’s strong argument that she’s more electable fell on deaf ears.

  65. alcina,

    the same uniforms, medals and pins remind me of a certain symbol very popular in the 1930’s and 40’s.

    That was the symbolism Michael Jackson was portraying, an oppressive Orwellian regime.

  66. Naysayers may go take a bathroom break, because I really want to make a point here that I don’t want shot down.

    People on this site have been taking unwarranted swipes at Larry Sinclair.He now states that his BHO encounters are but a minor blip on the radar compared to what he is discovering. The public is going to become aware of much bigger BHO entanglements because of Larry Sinclair going forth with information, in spite of the thrashing and ridicule he has been subjected to. I think it is time HRC supporters realize that he is owed a debt of gratitude for not caving to criticism, but instead opening Pandora’s box that will benefit our cause.

    Before you make a rash judgements about him, don’t be like the BHO supporters who just go along without checking it out. Do yourself a favor and check out the website.

    Larry Snclair has apparently garnered lots of interest (and information ) from various meetings while in D.C. Evidence about limo driver must have been substantiated by others as well. Implication is that media outlets around Chicago, Chicago authorities, and Feds are mentioned as knowing information about BHO’s illegal activites. Folks, it appears that there really is a vast left-wing and right-wing conspiracy that is suppressing the BHO web. The question is WHY?

    the MOST intriguing clue today is the picture of the National Cathedral in Washington D.C. appearing next to the article that focuses on the limo driver, a business associate of BHO and others affiliated with him as well. But…how does this tie into the National Cathedral?

    Sinclair also states that if information has not been revealed, he will address at the National Press Club on June 18, 2008.

    The plot thickens.

    Google “Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal”

  67. I think Hillary should just come out and tell the news organizations that she will not put up with their nasty record on women any longer. She should tell to stop all the BS or she will take this stolen election to the Supreme Court! There is just no reason for Msm to keep stirring the pot. They need to stop. We need to demand respect or we will get it from the courts
    ———————————————-
    I think the gender thing is the 800 pound gorillla in the living room. That is why I have tried to stress it here as I have. I honestly believe it is an act of stupidity for a woman to support BO. Am I saying they have no right to do that? Hell no. They can vote as they please. But if they vote for him then they have no comprehension of the battle which is now under way and why it is important to their future that Hillary win. This is about respect, equal opportunity and a fair chance against the old boy system. If they could grasp that single fact they would be way ahead of the game. Youth and beauty are fleeting commodities. Legal rights however are like diamonds-forever-talk to me Harry Winston tell me all about it, etc.

  68. Listened to the radio program LEFT, RIGHT, & CENTER tonight, and Arianna Huffington, Matt Miller, and somebody named Amity Shlaes (?), were all going on and on about some “New Center” that Bambi is forging.

    Same thing from the head of ABC News polling unit the other night, claiming that it’s no big deal that Bambi will lose Ohio and Florida, as he is expanding the electoral map to Colorado and Virginia. Only problem is, McCain is leading in Colorado and Virginia.

    These people have their heads in the clouds.

  69. We understand the game, that does not mean we have to play.

    If she wants to continue as a Democrat, she had to do what she has to do.

    You ask if we could have done more. We all know this was a fraud and fixed. She was out spent 2-3- to one, she won every blue state except Illinois, and out side of Chicago they supported her. This election has been stolen from here.

    NOW WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

    VOTE FOR MCCAIN.

  70. (Posted this a while ago, but it never showed up)

    On the McLaughlin Group, John asked this black women, Michelle Bernard, from the fake RightWing front group, the so-called ‘Independent Women’s Forum’, if “Michelle is a plus” for Bambi. She was about to say something else, but then said, “Well, time will tell”, and everybody bust out laughing.

    Forced Predictions: Will Hillary be on the ticket ?

    Pat Buchanan: Perhaps
    Eleanor Clift: No
    Monica Crowley: No
    Michelle Bernard: No
    John McLaughlin: It’s too close to call

  71. wwboei: I love your posts, because they are insightful, intelligent, and thoughtful. I firmly believe what Madeline Albright said: “There is a special place in hell, for women, who do not support other women.” After all the misogyny, gender bias, vitrolic hatred, dismissivess, condescension, divisiveness, lack of respect and regard, racial baiting, and all the other horrible things, that have gone on, during this campaign, it unbelievable that many women, especially younger women do not “get it.” This is greater than Hillary Clinton. The treatment that she has received, trickles down to all women, and sadly, many do not realize the damage that has been done. I think, many people may say, “Oh, it is the person,” but I firmly disagree. If the media, the DNC, congress, and her opponent have been able to get away with treating a highly regarded and talented person, such as Hillary, with such ill regard, this will only become worse, if BO reaches the White House. The abuse towards women will continue, and everything will be even more, racially charged. Disagreements will not be allowed or tolerated. The obamabots are already intolerant, abusive, and immature. This will only grow worse.

    New Mexico: She has to play the game, but we do not.

  72. wbboei

    Amen. As Susan B. Anthony said (and I will continue to post this).

    “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”

  73. How do the electoral votes of Co and Virginia, compare to FL and Ohio? Do the demographics of CO and VA favor BO? Are there more AA’s and young people?

  74. birdgal, CO and VA don’t come close to matching FL and OH’s electoral votes. There’s a large AA population in VA; I’m not sure why Waffles thinks he can win CO, unless there aren’t a lot of blue-collar people there.

  75. Paula: I know, they are working on registering young people and AA’s, but if the electoral votes don’t compare, then what is the big deal, if they put CO and VA, into play? Just more states to run up the count? One thing that will be vastly different, is that there will only be 1 vote per person. None of this proportional garbage. What an idiotic system.

  76. Wbboei, It would go along way if the idiot they have nominated would stand to the Obermans, the tweety, the Cafferty should keep their mouths shut. He won’t because he think Michelle is the only woman that should be respected. He came out in her defense, but WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US including Hillary.

    Oberman has his head so far up Bambi’s you wonder if he has a crush on him. I heard tonight that Oberman has come up with more misognistic statements!

  77. You know the way I perceive Hillary is she is our “Martin Luther King”, I want her to stand up against the media and boys club! Everytime I hear a nasty statement about Hillary it hurts my heart and they may as well have said it about me.

  78. confloyd Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
    You know the way I perceive Hillary is she is our “Martin Luther King”, I want her to stand up against the media and boys club! Everytime I hear a nasty statement about Hillary it hurts my heart and they may as well have said it about me

    BINGO! Every swipe they take at Hillary, they are taking swipes at all of us. Sometimes, I feel like, I have PTSD, from all the abuse that has occurred during this primary season. I don’t know, how Hillary holds up.

  79. Are there any lawyers out there, that think, maybe a class action might be justified or possible against the networks for slander against women? Sexual harrassment?

  80. hi hillfans, also hope admin keep this blog running after 2008. a general hillary blog would be great.

  81. We need to wage war on the msm just as they have warred on Hillary – we need to mock their personal traits with cartoons, and mock the products in the commercials supporting CNN, MSNBC – joke about the poor quality of the goods and services they’re selling – some stupid GE product tied to stupid Morris, for example to say hey sponsors, you must be a worthless as these silly asses. We need to make a joke of each of those who have been cruel to Hill – deride their maleness, or make fun of their bimbo-ness. We need to mock their smiles, their clothes, the way they talk, we need to strip them of credibility by laughing at all their foibles, make them self-conscious about their noses, their ears, their eyes, the way they move, use their hands or tilt their heads etc … this, as any actor knows, is a nearly infallible way to erode any performers self-confidence. We must make them ridiculous. Because they are. Just calling them names won’t do it. We must make the audiences see them as boring and ridiculous, see the commercials and products as inferior. Good satirists can destroy a person, a reputation, can deflate the power of a public figure – almost no-one is immune to that kind of treatment if it is clever and relentless. We ought to have done that to O, Pelo, Brassiass and Dino. It’s not too late – calling all satirists and cartoonists! – I mean, where was the picture of scrawny old Pelo stomping her foot upon the air crying, Stop that! Oh, I wish I had that kind of talent! I’d make a joke of the whole DNC! Put devastating images in the peoples’ minds. It’s not too late to give them back what they’ve been giving us.

  82. CLass action is an interesting suggestion…class action against the networks … there’s GOT to be an angle.

  83. ole grapes. i caint draw but i shore got an imagination. I can imagine what we could do with nasty and friends. I totally agree about satire. Imagine a song, “I feel nasty” to the tune of “I feel pretty” .

  84. confloyd above: Hillary as our MLK. Yes. Completely. All you have to do is listen to or read her speech given at the congress in Bejiing. It’s a declaration of womens rights and human rights that will go down in the history books. When the last line is written, many years from now, Hillary will be remembered with the champions of Human Rights and WOmens Rights with Susan B Anthony, Eleanor Roosevelt and others. But we are still in the process of making this history. And this isn’t over till it’s over.

  85. Admin, great post as usual.

    Democrats shamed women with the judicial appointment of Clarence Thomas.

    I’d like to add, sexism was clearly the prefered evil to racism. (looks like things haven’t changed either)

    The democrats sided with Clarence Thomas after this statement made by him,

    Thomas said: “This is not an opportunity to talk about difficult matters privately or in a closed environment. This is a circus. It’s a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the U.S. Senate rather than hung from a tree.”[15]

    &&& was he accusing the commitee of racism??

    The “democrats” sent his nomination to the floor and he was confirmed with the vote of 11 Democrats and 41 republicans.

    once again women lost.

  86. Every time I encounter the young Obamabots, it reminds me of a book from the 1970s called “The Wave” that was made into an afterschool special. It’s based on a true story about a high school teacher who does an experiment to show his students how normal, everyday Germans became Nazis. He does this by forming an organization called The Third Wave and turning his classroom into its own version of Nazi Germany. All the kids, except a few, went along with it and didn’t even make the connection between The Wave and the Nazis.
    You can read more about it here:
    http://www.ronjoneswriter.com/wave.html

    Does anyone else remember this book or the afterschool special?

  87. If Obama steals the nomination, when he goes on to lose in November, it will be the biggest political “I told you this would happen” since, well, Democrats tried to tell America not to elect Bush.

  88. meiyingsu Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    from hillary website comment,
    Referring to Senator Clinton as a dead body. MSNBC Matthews says its doing an autopsy on Hillary.
    And to think she made a time referrence to RFK and they jumped on her like she was a terrorist.

    Now he is expecting Bill and Hillary to travel with BO to make sure he will get HRCs supporters.
    *****

    Of course, WHEN Obama loses, THEY (MSM, DNC, etc.) will say “Hillary didn’t try very hard”.

    We know he’ll lose.

    We know they’ll blame her.

    Screw ’em. You can’t make a 1/3 term junior senator with an otherwise thin resume, and puff him up. And if he can’t debate worth shit…

    The DNC and Dem party heads who all jumped the gun, demanded Instant Unity (just add ground up Democrats, Kool-Aid, some water, and stir), woulndn’t let the process play out, unfairly rode her out of the race, and then HAD THE FUCKING NERVE to demand that she GIVE A ROUND OF “HEAD” to all the Mens in the party, are going to be the ones holding the bag.

    You broke it, you bought it.

    I feel terrible at what Hillary is having to go through because she’s loyal to her party. It’s easier than trekking out to be a centrist third party candidate. But she must feel completely betrayed, as do we.

    And by “We”, I mean 18,000,000 of us.

    Yay Us!!!
    Go John McCain.

    And….let’s see if Obama can get all the way to Denver without one of his many skeletons in the closet coming to undo him.

  89. # Berkeley Vox Says:
    June 7th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    If Obama steals the nomination, when he goes on to lose in November, it will be the biggest political “I told you this would happen” since, well, Democrats tried to tell America not to elect Bush.
    &&&&

    Jeez, probably even more so.

    With the Repugs, we expect lowball politics. Our told-you-so about Bush was a gimme.

    But Obama is truly a travesty. At least Bush was a two term Governor (Gov. is a more “presitigious” position because it is executive, and because ya get to ride in helicopters).

    Plus, Bush’s state was bigger. Nya, nya, nya-nya, nya.

  90. I don’t really think, that the DNC cares, if they lose the WH. It is about getting rid of the Clintons.

  91. My new video is (finally) up.

    Title:

    McCain vs Obama: Courage vs Cravenness

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvrRQGcApkw

    I think you guys will like it.

    I have to say, the more I research for these projects the more I have deep respect for John McCain and what he has given to our country.

    But even greater than that is the loathing I have for Obama. He is an arrogant punk. I’ll just keep it clean for now. He is a total fraud and joke, and when you see him compared with a hero like John McCain this fact becomes even clearer.

    I will gladly vote for John McCain as well as campaign for him. He is the kind of person that makes you proud and happy to be an American.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  92. good evening everyone…..

    found this post and had to share it here as i think you all will love it like i did 😀

    “Message to base: stay home” (Brazile)

    Well I got one of my own:

    Message to DNC: the base is going to help McCain kick Obama’ race-baiting ass!

  93. June 6, 2008, 6:15 pm
    The Long Goodbye

    By Katharine Q. Seelye

    7:05 p.m. | Hillary Rodham Clinton had her campaign staff over to her Washington home today for a private farewell party and a celebration of her presidential bid as it winds down. Mrs. Clinton will officially close out her presidential campaign tomorrow.

    It is bound to be a rather different scene from when she opened her race, in a video on Jan. 20, 2007. “Let the conversation begin,” she said at the time. “I have a feeling it’s going to be very interesting.”

    One thing to watch for tomorrow will be the degree to which she throws herself behind Mr. Obama and signals to her “demographic” — as white, working-class voters, as well as older women, have come to be known — that it’s time for them to move behind him too.

    As part of that, watch to see whether she mentions the popular vote, a big sore point on both sides. (See our earlier post about the scenarios under which she won the popular vote.)

    As if to erase any doubt that Mrs. Clinton will, in fact, endorse Mr. Obama, Maggie Williams, her campaign manager, just sent out an e-mail to supporters:

    “As you know, Hillary will be holding an event tomorrow in Washington D.C. to thank all of her supporters, to express her support for Senator Obama, and to talk about the issues that have been at the core of her public service, the issues she will continue fighting for.”

    Ms. Williams also notes that the event will be live-streamed on (all at once now) hillaryclinton.com, which, of course, is where you can send contributions.

    Speaking of money, Mrs. Clinton is expected to “suspend” her campaign, which will allow her to raise money to pay down her debt, which was $20 million at the end of April.

    Our colleague Michael Luo tells us that Mrs. Clinton stands to lose the $11 million she lent herself unless she can raise enough to pay it back before the August convention. Campaign finance laws say that candidates who drop out of a presidential race can’t collect more than $250,000 to repay themselves after their party’s conventions. (Helping her to erase her debt will almost certainly be a big part of any negotiations with Mr. Obama.)

    4:30 p.m. | More V.P. Chatter: We were just chatting with someone close to Mrs. Clinton who described some of the quandaries Mrs. Clinton faces over the idea of joining Mr. Obama’s ticket as the vice presidential candidate — putting aside the obvious question of whether Mr. Obama would ask her.

    One concern among her friends is that if she joins the ticket and Mr. Obama loses, Mrs. Clinton would be blamed.

    And yet, if she said she was not interested in the vice presidency, she would be perceived as not really wanting to help Mr. Obama win.

    In her last weeks of campaigning, she made it plain that she thought she was a stronger candidate, raising doubts about his electability.

    “They worry that if she says no, she wouldn’t look like a team player, that she didn’t think he could win and that she wasn’t going to do everything she could to help him,” this friend said. “They’re really worried about that.”

    “There’s a real divide between many of the younger people who are with her who want her to stay in the game and her old friends who are telling her, ‘Don’t do this to yourself,’” the friend said.

  94. I’ve spent nearly half my life as an organizer, and I can tell you point blank no matter what we say now we are up for one hellava fight against the BHO machine.

    first hand I know the organizing strategies of his backers and if McCain doesn’t get on the ball we willl be looking at BHO in the white house.

    they have a system of precinct by precinct organizing and are now hiring ground troups for this fight. Hundreds of people are being recruited around the country as we speak. If you blink you are going to miss it.

    The other thing that will be in BHO’s favor will be that “all” unions will unite behind him for this election instead of being split between him and Hillary, and that is an amazing amount of manpower at his finger tips.

    Let me repeat….this will be a major battle even in previous red states and they have the resources to pull it off. Don’t forget those resources include manpower not just money!!!

    Colorado is only one state that is entirely up for grabs, trust me, there are people on the ground there now as we speak.

    I just want you guys to know that unless you translate your anger into action, BHO will be the next president.

  95. This is interesting from TPM – whom I otherwise have zero use for;
    Is it part of their continuing cover story or not?

    Is Bogus Michelle Obama Rumor Based On A Work Of Fiction?
    By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld – June 6, 2008, 6:20PM

    Is it possible that the bogus Michelle Obama rumor you’ve all heard by now is actually based on a work of fiction?

    The rumor in question is one that’s been circulating in recent weeks to the effect that there’s video out there of Michelle Obama saying something derogatory about white people.

    Not a single shred of evidence has surfaced to support this claim. Nobody has actually said they’ve personally seen it. It hasn’t been posted to YouTube as you’d expect on something this juicy. Even Republican operatives we’ve spoken to say they don’t believe it exists.

    Despite the tenuousness of this rumor, Obama was actually asked about this non-existent video in front of the national press by a reporter the other day. Understandably, he pushed back hard on the notion that he should have to answer such a question.

    Now Jim Geraghty of National Review has claimed that the rumor may be based on…fiction. A political thriller called The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Stephen Frey, features the presidential campaign of Dem candidate Jesse Wood, who’s aspiring to be the country’s first African-American president.

    We went out and got the book. And sure enough, in the novel, Wood’s opponents discover video of the candidate himself — not his wife — discussing with a radical black minister how he will “f— whitey” when he gets into office, despite all his public rhetoric about racial reconciliation. Here’s what he says on the fictional tape:

    He said, “You know, I had to put up with so much crap from Whitey when I was playing tennis back in the day, it was ridiculous. Real b****** stuff, too. Tennis racquets busted while I was in the shower, no towels, the worst locker, called n***** all the time, even by the help.” He looked over at Osgood. “I’m telling you, Clarence, if I get elected president, I’m gonna act the way I’m supposed to act in front of the camera. Smile and dance like a good black man, do what I’m expected to do like a good boy. But behind the scenes, I’ll f*** Whitey, and I’ll f*** him good, I really will.”

    If this was the basis for the rumor, Obama was forced to respond not just to a rumor, but to one that was consciously based on a published work of fiction. Welcome to General Election 2008, everyone!

  96. My mentor was a guy who was well connected all along the east coast–particularly New York City and Philadelphia. At some point in the 1950s he met Lucky Luciano in New York. Officially this never happened because Lucky was released from Danamora in 1949 for helping the war effort and exiled to Lucretia Fida (sp) in Sicily. But this meeting did happen so naturally I asked my mentor about it and what Luciao-il capo di tut de capo was really like. He said he was a very smart person trying to look dumb.

    I would say the opposite is true of Campbell Brown.

  97. Blue dem, as i pointed out earlier here as well as over on daily kool aid (they didn’t like it much either as you can imagine 😀 )

    they are trying to spin this as a hoax saying the author is clairvoyant or something and the tape there fore is made up based on this book…….

    but anyone with a brain can figure this out…….

    the tape was made in 2004 and the book was written in 2006! 2 years after the rant so of course the book could be based on
    it without the author being clairvoyant……..and thus means the tape could very possibly be real and is the reason
    the O’koolaidkids got their marching orders

  98. Blue Democrat Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    NO , its not fiction. Its true , i believe that . i was listening to a famous radio show in southern california,and they were talking about it .

    They actually details about it ,like how she is bashing BILL CLINTON for deaths in africa and she goes on and on trashing “whitey“,

    They said ,its 30 min video tap .
    and few repubs have seen it .

    They said ,,if that was not true,MO should have talked about it by now

    But just the fact that OBAMA CAMP has kept MO out of media for a while ,and they r trying to find out what exactly and who exactly has the tape .

    SO ,I believe LARRY

  99. Ah, very good Djia.

    And Obama’s out there talking about how in 2016 he’ll be finishing his 2nd term.

    I just cannot believe Hill would submit to this the way it’s (apparently) going down without getting major major major concessions she wants.

    I cannot believe it.

  100. debbie: I’ve spent nearly half my life as an organizer, and I can tell you point blank no matter what we say now we are up for one hellava fight against the BHO machine.

    I agree with you. Just look at what has happened in the last 4-5 months. The media is not going to call out Obama on any wrong doing. Remember Lake County?

  101. I write fiction, and I’ve had firsthand, multiple experiences where something I wrote later came true in real life. It happens, trust me.

    If there’s a book out there with a fictional Whitey tape, that doesn’t mean the real thing cannot or does not exist. After all, we know the sheep and the pigs from Orwell’s “Animal Farm” are real.

  102. I came across this poignant posting at TM, and wanted to share it with all of you:

    “I’ve got so many conflicting feelings in me and I’m numb.

    HRC is the best candidate for POTUS we have had running for decades, since Robert Kennedy and today is the day he died 40 years ago. May he be resting in peace. One cannot help but wonder what we could have been as a country had he lived.

    HRC has RFK’s Senate seat and that’s no accident imo because I feel she is the one to whom it can be said is more RFK than any other I can remember. It’s also no accident that his children endorsed HRC. I’m not saying they saw HRC as they saw their father. But, they did see something in HRC that resonated with them as it did for us.

    Here is Kathleen Townsend Kennedy’s comments to the WAPO today remembering her father, not of his death but of the man she remembers as her father.

    RFK’s oldest child discusses legacy 40 years later

    By BRIAN WITTE
    The Associated Press
    Thursday, June 5, 2008; 3:28 PM

    WASHINGTON — Kathleen Kennedy Townsend still doesn’t like to talk publicly about her memories of the June 6, 1968, death of her father, Robert F. Kennedy.

    But she clearly remembers _ and freely talks about _ the letter her father gave her the day her uncle, President John F. Kennedy, was buried at Arlington National Cemetery in 1963 after he was assassinated. Her father would be buried at Arlington five years later.

    “‘Dear Kathleen,’ he said,” Townsend recalls part of the letter saying. “‘As the oldest of the Kennedy grandchildren you have a special responsibility: be kind to others and work for your country. Love, Daddy.'”

    Townsend, now 56, was 16 when Sirhan Sirhan shot her father June 5, 1968, at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles after Kennedy’s victory in the state’s Democratic presidential primary. Kennedy died the next day. On the 40th anniversary of his death on Friday, family members will attend a Mass at Arlington.

    Townsend said she still has that letter and continues to reflect on its message about love of country and compassion.

    She said her father passed on the idea that “we have to look forward. We have to be compassionate towards others and we have to have a sense of responsibility.”

    “It was a very warm and embracing message, and I think it’s the message that my father had personally for his family, for our family, but it grew into a larger message for this country,” Townsend said this week during an interview with The Associated Press.

    Townsend, who lives in Baltimore, said she is often asked if she gets upset when people try to claim her dad’s legacy. “I say, just the opposite, because he had such a rich life and such an enormous presence that many people can claim different parts of what he said,” Townsend said.

    For Townsend, her father’s legacy is one of making sacrifices and accepting the burden of trying to work through societal problems to make a better nation.

    She said she finds it interesting that in 2008, people still remember 1968 and the issues emphasized in her father’s campaign. When her father was running for president, no one, she said, spent much time talking about issues that dated back 40 years.

    Townsend, a former lieutenant governor of Maryland, said unresolved questions of race relations, the relationship of rich and poor and questions and worries about an ongoing war remain high-profile and politically volatile issues. The availability of health care, an issue her father discussed on the campaign trail, also continues to loom large.

    “We are still dealing with those kind of issues today and because of that, many people are asking what would Robert Kennedy do? What is his legacy? What did he care about?”

    Were her father alive today, Townsend said his top concern would be urging people to get involved in the political process. Her father fought hard to get the Voting Rights Act passed, and she said the high turnout during the 2008 Democratic primaries would have thrilled him.

    Townsend, who backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the presidential nomination, avoids talking about comparisons of Sen. Barack Obama to the charismatic and politically prominent Robert and John Kennedy.

    In fact, she makes a point of saying how her father “was not, in a traditional sense, a good politician,” at least as a public speaker.

    “He often was very nervous when he spoke,” Townsend recalled. “I remember, as a little girl, watching him practice over and over in front of the mirror, and he was trembling. I mean, it wasn’t easy.” He got better, but “it wasn’t easy for him to do.”

    She remembers spending some time on the campaign trail with her father, though not for very long periods because she was in school. She recalls “enormous excitement about what he was trying to do,” bringing together black Americans and blue-collar workers.

    She recalls “just so many people” wanting to touch her father, enthusiastic for his campaign. “It was like he was a rock star,” she said.

    Townsend said her father wasn’t afraid to risk unpopularity by telling people they needed to sacrifice, particularly those who were well-to-do or well-educated. She remembers him pointing out to students at the University of Kansas who were protesting the Vietnam War that they had draft deferments.

    “He was willing to make that moral argument that was uncomfortable to his listeners, rather than just tell them what they wanted to hear, because he trusted that Americans wanted to be better,” Townsend said.

    For me, HRC and not Obama, reminds me of RFK from all that I have read and then reading Townsend-Kennedy’s account of her memories of her dad, today.

    I support HRC because she has the best ideas and knows what she is talking about and wants to use her power to help people as she’s always done. I’ve never seen this much talent in a person who has all the right stuff to be POTUS in my lifetime since I’ve been old enough to take an interest in politics.

    I feel exactly what Ellen Malcom is feeling. What so many of us are feeling.

    In the postcard I am sending to HRC tomorrow, in addition to saying thank you for all she did these 15 months and that I’m one of the 18 million, I’m asking her to take it to the convention. I’m not giving up until it’s over in August because I don’t want to give up and have to wonder what the country would have been like had she won. It’s not over for me.

    (BTW, someone on Riverdaughter’s blog suggested we send post cards instead of a thank you card with an envelope because envelope’s will get held up at the USPS for anthrax inspection and may not get to her for a couple of weeks. I thought that was a great suggestion and if other’s haven’t seen it, I’m just passing it along.)

    HRC speaks in 11 hours. Not since Gore have I been this anxious to listen to someone speak. But, this is Gore times 1000.

  103. birdgal Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 1:30 am
    (BTW, someone on Riverdaughter’s blog suggested we send post cards instead of a thank you card with an envelope because envelope’s will get held up at the USPS for anthrax inspection and may not get to her for a couple of weeks. I thought that was a great suggestion and if other’s haven’t seen it, I’m just passing it along.)

    I LOVE THIS IDEA .

    anyone and everyone can do this .

    imagine HILLARY receiving 1 million or more thank you cards ,that will make her happy and will make news .

    i will send her 10 tomorrow ,

    i will tell everyone in my family to do it ,

  104. 😉 @ blue dem

    i went to check out my comment and alas to my surprise (not!) it was gone

    I guess they really didn’t like truth being injected into the fraction LMAO

  105. “A senior Obama adviser, however, said Bill Clinton and Obama were likely to appear together in rural areas, where blue-collar white voters favored Hillary overwhelmingly.
    “He could have been a great attack dog on [John] McCain,” the source lamented. “He was rehabilitated, a total rock star, leader of the Democratic Party and an elder statesman. All of that is gone. There’s a lot of consensus on that in the party.”

    They forgot to mention it’s a party of hideous lying douche bags.

    Sorry for the foul rants, there’s just no where else….

  106. I think it’s funny that if anything, this website’s visitor traffic and number of posts has only INCREASED since Hillary supposedly dropped out, lol. So much for us “going quietly” and wandering like stray sheep into Bambi’s flock.

  107. djia,

    Here’s the Amazon blurb on it; You can pick & choose….

    The Power Broker: A Novel
    From Publishers Weekly
    Murder, global conspiracy, treason, blackmail, sexual infidelity and perversity propel bestseller Frey’s entertaining, if highly implausible, third financial thriller starring Christian Gillette (after 2005’s The Protégé). Christian, the CEO of Everest Capital, a hugely successful Manhattan-based investment firm, faces a host of adversaries, chief among them the Order, a secret society made up of nine white American businessmen and government leaders whose predecessors have been manipulating financial and historical events since the society’s inception in 1839. Led by Jackson Prescott Hewitt, chairman of U.S. Oil, the Order fears that America is falling under the control of minorities whose agendas include statehood for Puerto Rico and Mexico and the election of the nation’s first African-American president. Christian comes to the attention of this cabal and, aided by series regulars Allison Wallace and Quentin Stiles, is soon fighting for his very life. The action roars along like a small tsunami, sweeping logic aside and carrying aloft those readers willing to suspend a substantial amount of disbelief.

  108. debbie Says:
    June 7th, 2008 at 12:58 am
    ———————————————–
    Debbie: would you be willing to talk to me off line about this? If so we can exchange phone numbers and email addresses/

  109. wbboei

    sure how do you want to do the exchange.

    I’m off to bed in a few so I can’t talk tonight but maybe we can set up time tomorrow or something.

  110. http://www.democraticnomore.blogspot.com/

    Share your story
    So many have signed up and told us a bit about why they have left the Democratic Party we are putting up a new post dedicated to your stories. Please put your fisrt name and state in the comments section on the post below. Then share your reasons for leaving in the comment section on this post. We want to hear your thoughts, feelings, and anger at what has transpired with our ex-party

  111. I think it’s funny that if anything, this website’s visitor traffic and number of posts has only INCREASED since Hillary supposedly dropped out, lol. So much for us “going quietly” and wandering like stray sheep into Bambi’s flock
    ———————————————–
    Berkley: they are Bolsheviks with a bank account. But they have several achilles heels. They are concerned that we will defect to McCain. Let us not disappoint them.

  112. blue dem

    you know its totally feasible that those in the know about what they were planning to do in 2008
    wanted to “brag” and commissioned the book to be written (after the rant date)

    just as Axledick is writing a movie on Pfleger and has done much to influence the writings of boston legal

    I believe this book was nothing more than their “brag’ a sort of “look at us, we are so powerful that we can openly tell you what’s going to happen and their is nothing you can do about it”

  113. bluedem

    chief among them the Order, a secret society made up of nine white American businessmen and government leaders whose predecessors have been manipulating financial and historical events since the society’s inception in 1839.

    this is the “bilderberg group” “NWO”

  114. Trenchant little snippet from tomorrow’s New York Times:

    ——–
    Senator John McCain’s strategists are plotting to convert them, particularly older women who are skeptical of Mr. Obama’s thin résumé. Even the Democratic National Committee chairman is avidly trying to make up for accusations that he allowed sexism in the race to pass unchallenged.

    “The wounds of sexism need to be the subject of a national discussion,” the chairman, Howard Dean, said in an interview. “Many of the most prominent people on TV behaved like middle schoolers” toward Mrs. Clinton.

  115. didn’t Coward Dean not get the Memo????

    ” DNC, a little too late!……Sianora M’fkrs! … Hello McCain! “

  116. Howard or Coward Dickhead Dean, is a bit late with having discussions of sexism. What an idiot, and he thinks women are going to fall for this. A day late, and a dollar short. Excuse me, but he needs to go suck Dickie Boy Morris’s toes. Where was he, when this was going on during the campaign? What a hypocrite!!!!

  117. I think Bill will turn up with the flu before BC is made to dance like a puppet on strings on a national stage for anyone like BO

  118. howard dean, is brazile’s puppet, brazile is obama’s puppet. I can’t believe I was attracted to his candidacy despite the fact he did seem to be on drug while looking back…

  119. kostner

    I had read that dean and kerry are the ones that picked obama back in 2004 and have been the ones to bring him along
    for this election…… so wouldn’t that make obama their puppet??

    or did pinochio turn into a real boy and bite the hand that made him? 😀

  120. Berkeley Vox Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 1:43 am
    I think it’s funny that if anything, this website’s visitor traffic and number of posts has only INCREASED since Hillary supposedly dropped out, lol. So much for us “going quietly” and wandering like stray sheep into Bambi’s flock.

    ———————————————-

    I read somewhere a CNN poll… Obama has got almost zero bounce just like Gallup, he’s basically tied with invisible McCain. The most alarming internal for him is that he only attracted 60% democrats. Right now, all the polls are showing D has an almost 10 pts lead over R in terms party IDs, which is why Obama is tied/slightly ahead of McCain. I believe this is largely due to enthusiastic gap, not the real #. Coming into Nov, you can be assured those party ID difference will decrease signfiicantly. If Obama can only consolidate 70% to 80% Ds, let alone 60%, there is ZERO chance he will win.

  121. “The wounds of sexism need to be the subject of a national discussion,” the chairman, Howard Dean, said in an interview. “Many of the most prominent people on TV behaved like middle schoolers” toward Mrs. Clinton.
    ***********
    And the DNC behaved just as badly. It’s even worse, because they did it to one of their own and by extension, they hurt everyone (male and female) who supported her. The worst thing is, they don’t care and they won’t own up to it.

  122. Kostner: I wonder, if the zero bounce, is because people realize that the nomination is a fraud and corrupt?

  123. It’s so laughable to hear Howard Dean’s mindless rant on ‘sexism’. He is the BIGGEST enabler of sexism. I always shrugged off in the past when freepers often mocked Howard Dean’s sanity whenever he awkwardly attacked everything. I now understand this guy is amazingly stupid.

  124. bridgal,

    Normally when you ‘win’ a nomination, and especially be showered in the insane adulation from Obamadems’ help hand MSM, you get at least 10 points bounce from it. McCain was ahead of Clinton & Obama in March, I believe by as many as 7-8 points while those two were engaging in the bitter battle.

    Truly amazing.

    I am now convinced that Hillary should NOT accept V.P. offer under any circumstance. Bill and Hillary need to have some time to rest and relax. V.P. is worthless if they win. Hillary has amazing talent, she does not even need to be in politics, and will make tons of money.

    Let Howard Dean/Bazile/Pelosi/Kennedy help their golden boy in the days ahead. Let DNC & ObamaDem Party rotten in hell.

  125. Totally agree, you guys. Check this out, from that same article. Dean is such an idiot:

    ———
    When Mr. Dean reached out to Cynthia Ruccia, who started an organization of female Clinton swing-state voters threatening to vote for Mr. McCain, Ms. Ruccia asked that the Democratic convention include a symbolic first ballot for Mrs. Clinton’s delegates. Mr. Dean discouraged the idea on the grounds of unity.

    He has belatedly recognized the cries of sexism, Mr. Dean said, particularly when a friend showed him a video compilation of broadcasters’ comments about Mrs. Clinton.

    “We all get over it when our candidates don’t win,” he said. “What you don’t get over is feeling like you’ve been insulted by some of the leading institutions in America and no one said anything about it.”

    For decades, women have been more likely to identify as Democrats than Republicans. This year, 44 percent of women have identified themselves in polls by The New York Times or CBS News as Democrats, 26 percent as Republicans and 24 percent independents.

  126. Blue: I totally agree. I don’t think, she should accept V.P. It would only be window dressing, and would be a waste of her huge talents. She’ll get her money back. All she has to do, is write another book. And we all know, that will be a humdinger. LOL!

  127. “did pinochio turn into a real boy and bite the hand that made him?”

    That’s a classic, Djia. 1st time I cracked a smile in weeks.

  128. I’d like to know where “DR Coward D” got his degree….. he should ask for his tuition back, i think they took advantage of this
    c student

  129. Just want to go on record as saying Hill should rock the world tomorrow and really air this thing out at the press conference.

  130. Blue: this is what you wrote:

    I am now convinced that Hillary should NOT accept V.P. offer under any circumstance. Bill and Hillary need to have some time to rest and relax. V.P. is worthless if they win. Hillary has amazing talent, she does not even need to be in politics, and will make tons of money.

    What did I miss?

    Dija: I wonder, if Dean was a “legacy” student.

  131. I think Hill should camp out in the senate, and use her senate seat as a “bully pulpit” by introducing remedial legislation concerning America’s current crises. It would keep her in the headlines, demonstrate how hard-working and intelligent she is, and keep her prepared so she can swoop in when Obama’s poll numbers get low enough to require it.

    From tomorrow’s WaPo — it’s the economy, stupid:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060601169.html?hpid=topnews

  132. Err, meant to type, “I think Hill should camp out in the senate for the next couple of months…” ^

  133. kostner,

    I agree. Hillary should give waffles a perfunctory endorsement, then a few half-assed appearances with that weasel, and let that be it.

    As far as his non-bounce in the polls is concerned, I think it’s due to the fact that a significant percentage of Dems do not like waffles, even the ones that don’t necessarily like Hillary. He’s got a lot of die-hard Hillary supporters who will never vote for him, and a lot more Democratic voters who just don’t like him for other reasons. In short, he has weak support among his base. When the Republican start destroying his character, I’m betting his support among non-AA independent voters will shrink as well.

    waffles is the Un-candidate: Un-patriotic, Un-informed, Un-forgivable, Un-acceptable, Un-electable.

  134. I agree, Berkeley Vox. Hillary should throw herself into her work in the Senate. If Waffles wants her to go out and campaign for him, she can give the excuse that she’s up to her ears in global warming or social security or some new children’s health bill.

    A couple of days ago, someone on this forum suggested that Hillary visit the troops in Iraq or meet with world leaders. I think that’s a good idea as well, but she may prefer to take a breather from a lot of traveling.

    I’m turning in for the night. I’ve had the stomach flu for 3 whole days. Can’t eat, can’t sleep, and I look like one of those heroin chic models from the early 1990s. But even if I weren’t sick, I’d feel like sht anyway because of everything that’s going on. So if I had to catch this nasty little bug I guess now’s the best time for it.

    Goodnight, soldiers!

  135. This is an e-mail I received

    Paula Abeles
    show details 4:22 PM (9 hours ago) Reply

    Hi guys–
    Here’s a quote from someone I know who saw the whole thing evolve first-hand. As many of you suspected, HRC was strong-armed by the DNC. What you might not have suspected (as I did not) was that the media kept reporting she was dropping out (without checking first with her campaign) as a form of pressure; which seems extraordinary to me. If you ever needed confirmation that this guy is being shoved down our throats—for all the wrong reasons(by all the wrong vested interests)—here it is, I guess.

    “Okay, so now that Hillary has issued a statement to the press, I’ll elaborate on what I know:

    Basically, on Tuesday Hillary spent the day at home calling superdelegates. In doing so, she discovered that Obama supporters, Uncommitted supers and a
    few of her supporters had essentially made a pact with the DNC that they would not support Hillary at the convention. She was essentially told that she
    needed to get out of the race asap. Someone told the press that she was going to get out last night, but Hillary didn’t want to exit the race when someone
    else told her to do it (the media) and instead, decided she would exit on her own time, under her conditions. I think it was her last opportunity to
    actually call her own shots versus having the DNC, party officials and media do it. In fact, during the meeting today, she joked that she had realized
    that she wanted to be a person who “talked for a living”, as you always had work and the things you said didn’t even have to be true. Anyway, apparently, the idea that Obama isn’t going to be able to win the nomination came up while talking to the DNC/supers and the response she received was that Obama brought
    in a lot of new Democratic voters (and ultimately, a lot of new Democratic money) and thus, while the party might lose the election in the short term
    (the presidential election, that is), the long term would be good, as the party would have lots of new voters and money. The belief was that even
    though Obama might not be able to win the presidency, the fact that he had all these new voters” would help to ensure that the party won the
    congressional and senatorial seats in play in November. I asked if Hillary had read the comments posted by her supporters and was told that she did and
    that if she felt she could win the election (garner the superdelegate support at the convention), she would have stayed in the race. However, the DNC and
    supers made it very clear to her that they would not support her and that she needed to get out.

    The airwaves today were full of Obama supporters demonizing Hillary for not dropping out of the race last night. They went on and on about how selfish
    she is and how “dare she strong arm for the VP position”. I was told that she has never once asked for the VP spot AND that she hasn’t been talking to the
    Obama campaign at all about what to do next. She came to her decision on her own, but did indicate that she would use some of her delegate support to get
    the healthcare plan on the Obama platform. In typical Obama fashion, he allowed the media to go on and on for the last two weeks about how Hillary is
    staying in the race so she can be the VP. Today that rhetoric reached a ridiculous level and the hate directed at her was completely over the top.
    Again, no statement from Obama regarding the truth: That she had NOT asked or the VP spot. (In fact, from what I understand, Hillary has no obvious
    desire to be a part of the Obama campaign whatsoever. This seems good, as right now, people love her and she can exit this looking like the queen that
    she is. If she goes with Obama, then the media will say that they were right all along-that Hillary stayed in this after March because she wanted the VP
    spot…his supporters will also go crazy with that logic, as they have no idea that she stayed in for us and because she should have been able to win had the
    supers and DNC not been in Obama’s pocket.) Regardless, around 6:30, the media began reporting that Hillary would concede on Friday. Apparently, she
    hadn’t reported this to the media and they were again frustrated with the media’s attempt to strong arm her into conceding on Friday. Despite the fact
    that she was going to concede, she wanted it on her own terms. Thus, she decided to set a date to concede, but scheduled it for Saturday-one last
    opportunity to stick it to the media (we love Hillary for that). About one hour after that, Obama issued a statement admitting that Hillary did not
    negotiate anything before indicating she would concede. Once again, he believed it would make him look good to appear “gracious”, but clearly fails
    to realize that her supporters are not the idiots that he and his supporters think we are. It seems that today, his supporters are starting to figure out
    that they will need her supporters to win the election (though it’s too little, too late in my opinion…) and are attempting to opportunistically seize upon the moment.”

    What my friend does not mention, was that HRC did not concede Tuesday because the Obama camp said they were over the top but refused to provide any proof. Since most of the supers had promised not to come out until Wednesday, The HRC camp suspected (rightly, I think) that he was not actually over in terms of committed delegates. But, because Obama wanted to shift the focus away from his unexpected loss in South Dakota (they had predicted they would win by 15 points) and further media hand-wringing over his inability to capture the ‘working class white vote’ —and towards the “historic” character of his nomination—they claimed “victory” before they actually add the votes. A small thing, perhaps, but indicative of the dirty politics we have seen all along.

    For anyone local, I am holding a strategy session/BBQ at my house Monday night at 6 p.m.
    5905 Bethlehem Court, Derwood (Rockville), MD 20855

    Paulie Abeles
    (no smile today, sorry)

    I will never support the DNC
    I will never support Obama

  136. Did you guys read this, another stunning declaration from an Obamabot

    Jesse Jackson Jr: Obama’s primary victory should be included in Bible(not a joke)

    Representative Jesse Jackson Jr., after opining that the most important event in the history of the United States of America was Obama clinching the primaries last week, issued an interesting proposal:

    “I cried all night. I’m going to be crying for the next four years,” he said. “What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history. … The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance.”

    Should the Independence of the United States, our victory in World wars 1 and 2, the emancipation of slaves, etc., civil rights movement a tad more important than this?

  137. Jesse Jackson Jr quote: “I cried all night. I’m going to be crying for the next four years,”

    He’s right. When waffles loses the election in NOvember, he’ll have 4 year to cry about it.

  138. kostner: If he had won the primary fairly, crying would be in order, but the nomination is illegimate, and this will be noted in history. Jesse Jackson, Jr. is a tool, narcissitist, and a typical dirty Chicago pol.

    Excuse me, for all the name calling tonight. I guess, I have had enough of the lying, dirty politics, and battering.

  139. this was on hillarys site blog

    Just read an article that Hillary and Obama will be “fusing” their fundraising. Better check it out for yourselves.
    I just canceled my automatic monthly contribution to Hillary as I refuse to send my hard earned money to the other guy.

    to hillary NO vote Onobama..no no no!!!

  140. Hillary is my inspiration i work hard and she just gives me that lift everytime i see her speak..
    but her speaking and asking her supporters to Unity my..under my left foot.I dont think so..whats so bad why cant she switch to independent?…it would be the best thing for her and US

  141. Geraldine Ferraro To Lead The Million Madam March

    New York—In what could be unprecedented in history, Geraldine Ferraro will be the first woman to lead a march—a march designed to wrestle the Democratic Presidential nomination away from Barack Obama.

    The march is being called The Million Madam March, and it’s made up of one million bitter feminists. These angry women are upset that Hillary Clinton may actual concede the race to Barack Obama. They are willing to take whatever measures necessary to insure that Hillary is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

    According to Ms. Ferraro, a protest will be staged at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C, on Saturday, June 7, 2008, the kick off their very own feminist version of D-Day. The idea is to move by bus from Washington, D.C. to Denver, CO, where they begin the liberation of the Democratic Party and women everywhere.

  142. Birdgal,

    “Blue: this is what you wrote:
    I am now convinced that Hillary should NOT accept V.P. offer under any circumstance. Bill and Hillary need to have some time to rest and relax. V.P. is worthless if they win. Hillary has amazing talent, she does not even need to be in politics, and will make tons of money.

    What did I miss?”

    That it was Kostner who wrote that @ 2:23.

  143. CJ,

    It is NO longer about Hillary. It’s about how to defeat the anti-America Obama. I will continue to respect Hillary and her decision, but frankly what she’ll say or do in the next few months will be irrelevant to me.
    I’m not going to be blindsided by any politician, period.

    This is about principal.

  144. birdgal Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Dot: I hope Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea take a well-deserved vacation. I also, hope that Bill does not campaign for waffles. Afterall, the Clinton represent everything that is wrong with the world. Why would the waffles campaign want to sully their campaign with the likes of the Clintons?
    &&&&

    All the other candidates did a smile and wave with Obama, said “you go guy”, and then left. They weren’t asked to works 18 hours a day for nine months, and it wasn’t expected. A simple “thank you for your endorsement” was enough.

    Hillary does not owe him anything. He doesn’t deserve it. He’ll have to work to court Clinton supporters…good luck with that.

    And how the fuck do they expect Bill to get all happy for Obama, after they painted him a racist and an egomaniac. Good luck getting the Big Dog on Obama’s porch.

    Bite ’em Bill.

    Maybe Bill can work for McCain.

  145. kostner…. geraldine will be the best voice for that !

    is it in denver in august?? hope so ! i am going to denver

    told my hubby i wouldn’t miss it for anything in the world
    and will beg borrow steal and ride my thumb to get there if i have too LOL

    of course i won’t have to do all that but it stressed it’s importance to me 😀

  146. Should be a joint Hill & Bill press conference tomorrow, make the case to the country. The real case. Name names.

    They’d win.

  147. Here is an interesting question for you.

    Did the Democratic National Committee commit fraud by failing to disclose to Senator Clinton’s supporters that they had rigged the nomination if favor of Obama before those supporters contributed amounts in excess of $200 million? The remedy sought would be full restitution of those monies to the contributors by the DNC because they are the ones who perpetrated that fraudl As a result the DNC would have to declare bankruptcy and total liquidation of assets.

    i) rigging the primary to ensure Bambi was the nominee, while allowing supporters of while a rigged the system in such a way as to ensure that Bambi would be the nominee,

  148. Three little questions just occurred to me:

    1. Did the Democratic National Committee commit fraud by failing to disclose to Senator Clinton’s supporters that they had rigged the nomination in favor of Obama before those supporters contributed amounts in excess of $200 million?

    2. If so, then shouldn’t the DNC be required to make full financial restitution to those investors since it was the perpetrator of that fraud?

    3. If the DNC perpetrated the fraud but is unable to make full financial restitution then shouldn’t the DNC be placed in bankruptcy and its assets liquidated in satisfaction of the debt?

  149. 1 – 1 does not = 2

    Great post by Marie:

    &&&&&
    marie3548 Says:
    June 7th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    Anyway, apparently, the idea that Obama isn’t going to be able to win the nomination came up while talking to the DNC/supers and the response she received was that Obama brought
    in a lot of new Democratic voters (and ultimately, a lot of new Democratic money) and thus, while the party might lose the election in the short term (the presidential election, that is), the long term would be good, as the party would have lots of new voters and money.

    The belief was that even though Obama might not be able to win the presidency, the fact that he had all these new voters” would help to ensure that the party won the congressional and senatorial seats in play in November.
    &&&&&

    So the idea by the “brilliant” liberal whack jobs was, get young and extremely liberals to join the party (as if Republicans had all the youth and liberals). But they thought they could throw out the Democratic base? That’s not building a party, that’s swapping in an untested, unproven faction for a larger, battle-tested more diverse faction.

    They not only are losing our vote, they have so alienated us from Their party that we have turned on them, and will vow to take them down.

    And not just Obama, but up and down the ticket too. All Obama supporters, surrogates, and cavers-in to Obama, will have to face a very angry, very organized, and very large contingent.

  150. wbboei

    excellent questions,, what are the answers??

    it would so DELICIOUS!! if it was possible!!

  151. wbboei,

    Mention that in the PC too.
    Fuck it. Air the whole thing out. INationally.
    It’s 15 years of this nonsense already!

    First the republicans and now the (party formerely known as) Dems!!!

    The Record speaks volumes, louder than Russert, Olbermann, and Chris Matthews ever could.

    God fuck it all.

  152. my heart breaks. it bleeds for this woman. i wont watch hillary’s walk of shame tommorrow. mccain made his 8 yrs ago to bush jr after warning the country bush wasnt ready. after being smeared for having a black adopted child. after saying bush practiced a nasty brand of politics. now hillary is forced to do the same. america needs real help. and now it wont get it.

    the dnc sold out those most in need for a media hyped candidate who has worked fulltime. what is worse is it feels there is nowhere to go. we are 1/2 persons in the eyes of the leadership of the party. 1/2.

    everyone screams unity. i got an email from wes clark telling me to unite. you cant be told vote for this person etc.. that vote must be earned.

    so now obama needs hillary. he needs hillary to win the whitehouse. im sure she will help-but that carries great risks for her integrity. why? recall hillary said only 2 were experienced enough to lead-she and mccain. she said obama gives speeches but that isnt enough. hillary said this thoughout the campaign. how can i now believe her if she says support obama he is ready? it is very disallusioning. and we will know it is a farce. and the gop will run the clip of her saying only she and mccain have the experience,not obama.

    it seems hillary has no good options. she is abandoned by her party elders. hillary is now forced to kiss Obama’s ring while her loyal supporters who have endured hell-some even abused in caucses and online watch.

    im afraid it wont end there. she will be campaigning for him etc.. in the end she cannot carry states her needs. in the end u are voting for obama for president of the union. president. not hillary. voters know that damned well.

    i cannot trust obama. not on israel. not on healthcare. not on the economy. not on on iraq. and the polls show he is not trusted on key issues.

    what was to be the most exciting election of our day has tured into a nightmare for so many of us. we dont trust him. we will be pained to see a great leader-hillary campaigning for the man she said was not ready to lead this country.

    it seems america is unable to elect great leaders. tv and soundbites have killed that. nothign gets done. pelosi and reid have done little to improve ourlives. in 2000 e were deprived of gore. in 2004 despite bad numbers for bush in the polls and and a poor economy alng with some fishy business in ohio we lost out again. and now this?

    i was raised a patriot. the school i went to instilled great pride in me about my country. we were taught we respect one another. never wear religion on your sleeve. freedom to assemble and of the press is paramount.

    the onlt person in the race now that makes me feel soem pride is mccain.he fought for america and was tortured for yrs in a prison. he at least has worked wth dems on the paient bill of rights, immigration reform, emissions caps, enviro preservation and with lieberman on gun locks.

    oh i anted to vote for the dems this yr, but if obama is the dem i cannot. its 3am. and i dont want obama picking up that telephone.

  153. Campaign Notebook: Clinton’s Vote Numbers Come With Asterisk

    By Joe Sobczyk and Kristin Jensen

    June 7 (Bloomberg) — Hillary Clinton is ending her campaign still saying she collected more votes “than any primary candidate in history,” a statement that comes with caveats, asterisks and footnotes.

    She gets there by counting the 328,309 ballots cast for her in the Michigan primary in January and not counting the 238,168 that went for “uncommitted.” No Democratic candidates campaigned in the state, which was penalized by the national party, and Barack Obama wasn’t even on the ballot. Clinton herself said last year Michigan “is not going to count for anything.”

    The problem is that Obama may have a more plausible claim to getting the most votes.

    Without Michigan in the mix, Obama got 17.8 million votes in primaries and caucuses, and Clinton received 17.7 million.

    The party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee last week ended the Michigan dispute by apportioning delegates. Although the panel didn’t pass judgment on vote totals, it awarded Obama roughly the uncommitted portion of delegates. If the delegates are extrapolated as votes, Obama would end up with 18,046,065 and Clinton 18,004,904.

    Either way, it still was the closest nomination battle since the 1976 Republican contest between Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan.

    * * *

    The early money is on Obama. Bettors snapping up “futures” on the political campaign put the odds of the Illinois senator beating Republican John McCain at almost 2-1.

    Traders on the betting site Intrade are putting Obama’s chances of winning the presidency at 63 percent. Contracts for an Obama victory are trading at 63.4, meaning a bet of $6.34 would pay $10. McCain futures are being offered at 35.

    Obama’s odds have soared on Dublin-based Intrade, where traders gave him little more than a 10 percent chance of winning the presidency last December. McCain’s odds have had more of a roller-coaster ride. In late 2006, investors were giving him more than a 30 percent chance of occupying the Oval Office. That figure dropped below 5 percent at various points last year.

    The Iowa Electronic Markets at the University of Iowa, the granddaddy of political futures trading, uses a slightly different measure to come up with similar results. Bettors there give the Democratic candidate a 61 percent chance of winning the popular vote in November.

    Such markets have been more accurate than polls in past elections. In part, that’s because people are placing money on what they expect to happen as opposed to what they would like to happen and who they plan to support.

    * * *

    September surprise? McCain could make a dramatic declaration when he accepts the Republican nomination Sept. 4 in St. Paul, Minnesota, according to some Republicans.

    The 71-year-old Arizona senator may decide to underscore his vow to be an agent of change by making an unprecedented pledge to serve only one term as president. The likelihood of such a vow might increase if McCain’s choice for a running mate is being well-received and if the Republican ticket is lagging behind Obama in the polls.

    Sound far-fetched?

    Maybe not.

    McCain came close to making that promise in April 2007 when he formally declared his White House candidacy in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. The pledge was in a near-final draft of his announcement speech. McCain was talked out of it by Rick Davis, his campaign manager, and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, a close friend.

    Since then, McCain has steadfastly told reporters that he has every intention of serving two terms, explaining that a president would undercut his own effectiveness by ruling out a second term.

    * * *

    One key to Obama’s success: he was on television more than any other candidate.

    Obama aired 154,057 television advertisements between Jan. 1, 2007, and May 18, 2008, according to the Nielsen Co. New York Senator Clinton ran 91,669 ads during the period.

    Advertising is no guarantee of success, though. Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain ran 17,632 ads, less than half the 38,077 spots run by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who withdrew from the race in February.

    * * *

    Rudy Giuliani still rues the day he put all his chips on the Sunshine State.

    “Was it the wrong strategy? Yes. I’m not much of a genius to figure out it was the wrong strategy,” Giuliani said of his failed presidential campaign, which bypassed early primaries and caucuses to concentrate on Florida.

    The former New York mayor was in Washington this week to lobby against a global-warming bill being debated in the Senate.

    * * *

    Obama wants it clear that there are limits to how much he’s willing to expand health services to all Americans.

    “Liposuction probably isn’t going to be covered, guys,” he said in Bristol, Virginia. “I’m just letting you know, you can still get that, but you’re going to have to pay for that yourself.”

    * * *

    Amid all the speculation over Obama’s running mate, Democratic pollster Peter Hart has a new suggestion: Al Gore.

    “He provides reassurance and stability; he is a combination of old-world national security and new realities on the environment,” Hart said.

    And he wouldn’t require on-the-job training.

    To contact the reporter on this story: Joe Sobczyk in Washington at jsobczyk@bloomberg.net; Kristin Jensen in Washington at kjensen@bloomberg.net.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aopApWQXjgh4&refer=us

  154. I just thought of a fun game. At what point in the primary did O’Bambi pass the point of no return with Clinton voter–meaning when did he become so toxic in their eyes that they would never vote for him?

    1. South Carolina (race baiting)

    2. Wright (Goddam America)

    3. Powers (Monster)

    4. Texas (Caucus Misconduct)

    5. Ohio (Misrep health care/ Goolsby)

    6. Indiana (Voter fraud Gary, Ft Wayne, S Bend)

    7. Pheglar (Anti Hillary–Bambi silent)

    8. South Dakota (Videos to press of RFK remark)

    9. Michigan/Florida (RBC strip voter rights)

    10. Suspension fo Candidacy (false reports)

    11. Sexism (Claws, Not Feeling Well, Likeable Enuf)

    12. Other

  155. Clinton leaves behind a race for female voters
    The former First Lady’s new challenge is to persuade her supporters to stick with the Democrats.
    http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/19621639.html?location_refer=Music

    Excerpts:
    Many Clinton voters say she will remain their leader, that she has created a lasting female constituency, a women’s electoral movement unlike any other. So with Clinton ready to endorse Obama in a speech today, the vanquished candidate faces her first post-campaign test. Can she pivot millions of supporters in the direction of Obama, the candidate she just stopped denigrating?

    “I don’t know any Hillary or feminist supporter who isn’t going to support Obama,” said Gloria Steinem, adding that a stray few may write in Clinton’s name on the November ballot. The question, Steinem said, is the degree of support these followers will offer Obama, whether they will merely pull levers for him or apply some of the vast energy and generosity they did for Clinton
    *******

    The Obama campaign will fight back, after waiting a respectful beat or two.

    In conversations with Obama and his aides, “I’ve tried to make sure that everyone understood that these women have a right to feel frustrated and angry,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, one of his leading emissaries to female voters. “To try to make that less than real is a huge mistake.”

    The key, McCaskill said, is approaching Clinton’s supporters with utmost humility. And that is not always the strongest suit of the young people who are some of Obama’s most enthusiastic supporters, added Backus.

    “We need them very, very badly,” she said, “and we shouldn’t be able to be afraid to say that we need them.”

  156. I should’ve expected some Axelrod trick like swiping the nomination, then introducing Gore as VP (probably some side deal that bought his surprising silence – they’ve saved him as a last PR resort).

    It’s all about handcuffing (at the least or) kicking the Clintons out of the party.
    Hey should state their case, go independent, do something dramatic.

    Just tell it like it is, really.

    Sans an uprising, the media will ultimately kill it, but the people will know & respect it.

    Night all.

  157. The Democratic Party, Obama and the DNC is PANDERING to Women again. The MEN really has taken the female voters for granted…There is NO respect for us in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    Obama is a SEXIST pig and will use those tactics again to shut down WOMEN RIGHTS.

    TEAM OBAMA, THE MSM, THE WOMEN TRAITORS…Like Gloria Steinem abandon the cause for being a glorify playmate.

    No PARTY is above COUNTRY…COUNTRY FIRST!!!

  158. claire says womenvoters must be respected? she didnt respect us, like all of his surrogates until now? for 18 mos these nitwits have attacked hillary and made feel like shit.

  159. “I don’t know any Hillary or feminist supporter who isn’t going to support Obama,” said Gloria Steinem, adding that a stray few may write in Clinton’s name on the November ballot
    ——————————————–
    Then you have not looked around.

  160. wbboei,

    It’s not that she hasn’t looked around.

    It’s the beginning of the sell, probably at Hill’s request.

    Steinem on women’s issues is about as unimpeachable as it gets.

    Do you not think?

  161. I do not know exactly what it is about the American media but it sure seems to attract the most vile, unprincipled and dishonest people in the county. I dont know why but it is what it is.

    This is not the first time I have seen them attack a candidate. I had a friend who was a 3 term congressman in a western state. Like Hillary she was attractive, well spoken and controversial. The local newspaper was a Gannet publication. They hounded her day and night much as you see now. Finally they decided to put a picture of her on their front page with Adolph Hitler–bride and groom, no kidding. Naturally we all went ballistic–all of us except the candidate herself. She thought it was funny and 15 years later I am still trying to wrap my mind around that one.

    Ten years later I happened to be playing golf at a resort course on the Candian border. There was one player ahead of me and she lost her golf ball and waved for me to play through. Since there were people on the next tee I ended up joining her for the next six holes. I soon discovered that this rather unassuming woman was the former editor of that same newspaper and had personally authorized the Hitler picture. She went on to say that she really liked the congressman, always knew where she stood on issues and wished she was back. I told her she had a strange way of showing it.

    That is the way media people are-with rare exceptions. I would never want to have one of them as a friend.

  162. Blue Democrat Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 4:48 am
    wbboei,

    It’s not that she hasn’t looked around.

    It’s the beginning of the sell, probably at Hill’s request.

    Steinem on women’s issues is about as unimpeachable as it gets.

    Do you not think?
    *****************************************************
    NO!!! Gloria Steinem and the rest of those SELLOUTS have set WOMEN RIGHTS back for decades for allowing the HOWARD DEAN and TEAM OBAMA to USE SEXISM as a political tactic against a fellow WOMAN.

    The Blatant and Rampant Mysoginistic comments coming out of LIBERAL DEMOCRATS and LEADERS was unforgivable and has done permanent DAMAGE that will set us back DECADES if we let this go. Why should any male respect WOMEN RIGHTS when Women don’t even FIGHT for it and can be CONTROLED over an ISSUE that the Democrats half ass support.

    My daughter and other in her generation didn’t even see anything wrong and bought into that “GANG RAPE” that was performed but can see racism in the clouds.

    When Richard Nixon and the Republicans didn’t help Martin Luther King Jr when he was sitting in Jail… Blacks left the Republican party in droves. Yes, some stayed but it wasn’t like it was before.

    I hate to say this but it was the DEMOCRATS and the DNC that ALLOWED this…those WEAK ASS COWARDS and MYSOGINISTIC PIGS what makes it so INSULTING is that they DON’T see it as a problem but a SHORT TERM rant from ANGRY CLINTON SUPPORTERS, that will fall back in line when the old chestnut Roe Vs Wade and the Supreme count is dangled in front of us. Thinking like Pavlov dog we’ll come running back to our master begging for a treat and kissing daddy’s hands.

    The Democrats BROKE IT and NOW must Live with it!

  163. Here is someone who is not a sell out:

    Clint Eastwood has advised rival film director Spike Lee to “shut his face” after the African-American complained about the racial make-up of Eastwood’s films.

    In an interview with the Guardian published today, Eastwood rejected Lee’s complaint that he had failed to include a single African-American soldier in his films Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima, both about the 1945 battle for the Japanese island.

    In typically outspoken language, Eastwood justified his choice of actors, saying that those black troops who did take part in the battle as part of a munitions company didn’t raise the flag. The battle is known by the image of US marines raising the American flag on Mount Suribachi.

    “The story is Flags of Our Fathers, the famous flag-raising picture, and they didn’t do that. If I go ahead and put an African-American actor in there, people’d go: ‘This guy’s lost his mind.’ I mean, it’s not accurate.” Referring to Lee, he added: “A guy like him should shut his face.”

    This was in response to Spike Lee’s comments:

    “He did two films about Iwo Jima back to back and there was not one black soldier in both of those films,” Lee said Tuesday at the Cannes Film Festival, where he was a judge in an online short-film competition.

    “Many veterans, African-Americans, who survived that war are upset at Clint Eastwood. In his vision of Iwo Jima, Negro soldiers did not exist. Simple as that. I have a different version,” Lee said.

  164. In conversations with Obama and his aides, “I’ve tried to make sure that everyone understood that these women have a right to feel frustrated and angry,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, one of his leading emissaries to female voters. “To try to make that less than real is a huge mistake.”

    The key, McCaskill said, is approaching Clinton’s supporters with utmost humility. And that is not always the strongest suit of the young people who are some of Obama’s most enthusiastic supporters, added Backus.

    “We need them very, very badly,” she said, “and we shouldn’t be able to be afraid to say that we need them.”

    ……………………

    Should have thought about months ago McCaskill when you were sucking Obama off like a whore at a company convention and denigrating Hillary every opportunity you got. McCaskill is a disgrace to women everywhere.

  165. Has everybody noticed the subtle change of pictures the msm are using of Obama, its no longer nice, its always the pictures of the angry black man look, look at Rassmussens front page today, you’ll see what i mean.

    They are already framing him as that.

  166. Don’t know if this has been posted or not, but I just read it now so wanted to post it.
    On this site, which is growing incredibly fast (sign up) Hillary Clinton Supporters For John McCain: hcsfjm.com/

    No way can Hillary say yes to the VP spot!!!!!!!!!! See you in Denver Obambi!!!

    Regarding The Tape writes this:Well are you OBOTs ready for some real bad news. I am about to deliver something you never wanted to hear. “THE WHITIE TAPES ARE REAL”. How do you know that for a fact. Well I have talked to that person on the phone. How do you know how bad it is.
    I listen to about 2 minutes on the phone. I heard Obama’s wife call Bill Clinton every dirty word there is. I also heard her say “the only reason his wife stuck with him was so she could be a senator. What a ho she is” The person that has a copy of that tape will not release it until the Tuesday before the Election in Nov. He want to destroy Obama, Rev Wright, and Louis Farrahkan. I have begged to get it release early but no way will this person do that. So what we do here really won’t matter in the long run. Obama is toast and I pray Hillary will not have anything to do with him. I will continue to try to get this person to release this tape early.

  167. moonpluto, I woud never froget the sneer on McCaskill’s face every time she was on MSNBC. I can not forget how she behaved at the state of the union speech.

  168. “We need them very, very badly,”

    No Fing kidding. What kind of nominee is that?

    A phony one – one without real support from the people.

  169. My hope today is Hillary will say she would not accept the VP spot. I hope she has made some kind of deal with the devil about getting her health care plan in the party platform. Then I want her to work for that in the Senate.

    I don’t mind if she campaigns for him, as a loyal Dem, but she will have to let him answer all the questions about his (lack of) character and his undesirable associates.

    I do not want her to run as an independent, or as a McCain VP, or any other way to fight the party. However, I’m all for fighting the current leadership of this party.

    I expect BHO to continue to suffer in the polls vs McCain, but I have little hope the party will rise to the occasion and abandon him. I hope he loses so Hillary can run again in four years, if she is willing to do it.

    I’m very bitter, so I’m clinging to my hopes. I suppose I should write them all in a letter to Santa.

  170. debbie – regarding the BHO machine

    i had a call from a HRC campaign staff member who was heading to colorado after the Sdakota primary. he was touting the dem unity shit to me.

    this is/was a staunch HRC campaign worker. this person, obviously, has been recruited to support the BHO machine. you are absolutely right. if McC doesn’t wake-up now, the battle will be over before it begins.

    we must act now!

  171. Speaking with Dragons
    Graig Della Pena
    Here’s an excerpt. The rest is here:
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/07/speaking-with-dragons/#more-2966

    When speaking with dragons, it is wise to know the names of things. True names have great power and if you know the dragon’s name…
    I’ve been sitting back, these last few days, watching the dust settle and seeing all the old song and dance routines, the familiar pressures brought to bear in the name of party ‘unity’ for the Democrats. The slow, grinding, patronizing “there, there, now, now” susurrus meant to lull all the plebes back to sleep.

    You shouldn’t have woken us up…
    “There, there,” they say, “this will all be over soon, like a bad dream and you can go back to your little lives, we’ll take care of everything.” And they are, the maneuvering to neutralize Hillary’s supporters goes on. Maybe they’ll have to give her the VP slot just to shut her up, I’m sure they’ll avoid that if they possibly can – after all, then they’d have to hire a food taster for Obama, wouldn’t they?

    …because we’re not going away now…
    The point of all the posturing and faux unity nonsense is not to provide a place for the actual winner of the primaries, no, it’s to provide a plausible pretext for saying – to all the ‘bitter’ people: “See? It’s all better now, come home and we’ll talk about it; there, there, now, now.” smooth as butter, “Just walk with us for a little while – until November – and then you can rest.” the sound of unruffled feathers fills the room …

    …we have looked behind the curtain…
    They’ll play on all the buttons: the “Party Unity” button – “Come on now, Hils, you’ve been a good little Democrat for goin’ on, what now? Forty years? Done what you’re told, toed the line – except for these last few months – but what the heck: forgive and forget, right? Just reel in your white racists, er , uh, disaffected Democrats for us and we’ll give you a big present, mebbe pay off your campaign debts – oh, don’t you worry about that legal stuff, Obama’ll fix that as soon as he takes over. Mebbe, we’ll even make you the VP, eh? How’d you like that? You could snooze all day over at the Naval Observatory, cut ribbons at mini-malls, go to parties, hold a bake sale – anything you want!”

    …we have seen through your mask, we know your true name now…

  172. Should have thought about months ago McCaskill when you were sucking Obama off like a whore at a company convention and denigrating Hillary every opportunity you got. McCaskill is a disgrace to women everywhere.
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    There is a special place in hell reserved for women like McCaskill who attack other women to support the patiarchy. “God how ghastly she looks through the rouge the lady that’s known as Lou”-Robert Service.

  173. Good Morning!

    I was thinking last night about 2012. Let us not forget that Hillary will be up for re-election for Senator, I do not think she can run for both, President and Senator. So she will have to make a deceision in the next 2 years!

  174. NO!!! Gloria Steinem and the rest of those SELLOUTS have set WOMEN RIGHTS back for decades for allowing the HOWARD DEAN and TEAM OBAMA to USE SEXISM as a political tactic against a fellow WOMAN
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    Sad to say but this is hardly the first time Gloria has let the principles she talks about yield to political expediency.

  175. the following is from talkleft.com

    misdirection…. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by p lukasiak on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 07:38:46 AM EST

    Why the sudden emphasis on sexism?
    I think its all about misdirection…. because the reason that Obama is the “presumptive nominee” has nothing to do with sexism. It has to do with the corruption of the DNC.

    While ‘sexism’ doubtless played a role in the size of Clinton v Obama margins, the simple fact is that CLinton was winning in all the important states despite the prevalence of sexism.

    Clinton “transcended” gender to a very large extent when it came to the voting booth — Obama is the nominee because despite the overwhelming evidence that Clinton was the stronger candidate for November, and far better prepard to take on the repsonsibilities of President, super-delegates continued to flock to Obama.

    Obama had TWO GOOD WEEKS in mid-February That was it. By every rational criteria, after that Clinton demonstrated that she was the superior candidate. After Texas and Ohio, the flow of superdelegates doward Obama should have stopped…and after Pennsylvania it should have reversed itself — IF the superdelegates were looking out for the interests of the country and the party.

    But the more Obama lost, the more SDs he got. Only complete corruption of the process can explain why Obama build a lead among SDs while losing consistently from March through May.

  176. I am going to take my Hillary buttons, and put a diagonal tape across them, and write McCain on them.

  177. How can we contact Gloria Steinem. I have searched on line, and see 2 NY addresses, and a California address. I would really like to tell her how I feel. Any suggestions?

  178. The attack on Charlie Rangle is unwarranted. Mr. Rangle is a good friend of Hillary Clinton, and like only a good friend can do, he explained the reality of the situation to her. She was not going to get the support of the DNC or super delegates. Hillary Clinton respects Mr. Rangle and his judgement. He does not deserve the harsh words or being damned.

  179. guess i missed it. what did gloria steinem do? don’t tell me, another sell-out? judas? traitor?

  180. wbboei, the Hillary event is at 12 noon EST I believe. It will be streamed on her website at that time.

  181. Why the sudden emphasis on sexism?
    I think its all about misdirection…. because the reason that Obama is the “presumptive nominee” has nothing to do with sexism. It has to do with the corruption of the DNC.
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    meiyingsu: so what this writer at Talk Left is inimating is that the perpetrators of sexism, and those who stood idly by when it counted -traitors like Howad Dean are now invoking it not on its merits but as a diversionary issue to cover up the corruption of the dnc who overthrew the will of the American Peope and saddle us with a race baiting incompetent so they could enrich their coffers. Every political party is a conspiracy against the laity. We want our $200 million back.

  182. AmericanGal Says: thanks very much. I don’t know what I was thinking. Obviously I was not thinking. For some damned reason I thought it was at 9 am eastern-as oppposed to west coast.

  183. Laura sitting in for O’Reilly is a.#@%^@. Nasty gal. Her hate of the Clintons just jumps through the TV and grabs you around the throat.
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    Southern Born: surely not Laura Ingraham. Last time I checked she was mildly supportive of Hillary. Perhaps they have decided the real attack against Bambi cannot begin until Hillary is out to the race. I really believe that the vitriol directed against Hillary by the media this past week is a feeble attempt to make her concede rather than suspend. According to what was reported above some of the sds have made a faustian pact with the dnc to not support her at the convention. When we know their names we will be in a better position to take retaliatory action if we decide to do so. Certainly women in Massachusetts have been willing to do so. We will see what she says on the suspend vs concede issue. Also I have not gone back and read the entry above but I was sent an earlier version of it and there was something about calling the game on the media although the statement was more nuanced.

  184. It’s not that she hasn’t looked around.

    It’s the beginning of the sell, probably at Hill’s request.

    Steinem on women’s issues is about as unimpeachable as it gets.

    Do you not think?
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    Bluedem: if the question is do I think- then the answer if I am trying very hard not to as I wait to hear what Hillary will say in this speech. If the question is do I agree with your assessment that this is the first stage of the sell women on the unity message and it is directed by Hillary the answer since Gloria is a strong Clinton supporter the answer is an unequivocal yes. You are right.

  185. virago47 Says:

    June 7th, 2008 at 9:18 am Mr. Rangle is a good friend of Hillary Clinton, and like only a good friend can do, he explained the reality of the situation to her. She was not going to get the support of the DNC or super delegates. Hillary Clinton respects Mr. Rangle and his judgement.
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    I think this is accurate. The only thing I would say is that if Charley was really a good friend he would have conveyed this message privately rather than in the presence of other sds.

  186. I am sitting here trying to decide whether I want to listen to this speech, which is strange because 48 hours ago I was seriously considering going back there for it to show the love respect and fondness I will always have for Hillary. But if the speech is a ringing endorsement of this chalatan or worse I do not need to hear it. I would rather remember Hillary as the fighter for a just cause rather than as a shill for a fatally flawed candidate and a corrupt political party. I never got sea sick when I was in the navy, but if that is what this speech is about I will puke. And to his misguided supporters spare me the we really need you speeches because the truth is I dont need you, I dont want you and I will be supporting McCain.

  187. wbboei

    i too dread “the speech” for the same reasons. i know she will be saying a lot of things i don’t want or need to hear. any pitches toward holding hands and forgiveness will fall on deaf ears.

    i signed up for citizens for McCain this morning. that is my “speech” for today.

  188. We need to keep up the fight and keep posting here on the internet. The next couple weeks may be uneventful (the calm before the storm) unless the Republicans decide to go all out starting on Monday. I would hate to see people swayed into a sense that suddenly everything is roses. That is why I think some Obama campaign people are saying they will wait a couple weeks to see if Hillary supporters are really going to not vote for Obama before consideration of her for VP. They are betting that we have no resolve to follow through with what we say. No doubt some Hillary supporters will drift into the Obama camp but I feel confident many of us absolutely will not..I know I won’t. We need to keep Obamas feet to the fire…we all know that everything is not what it seems. There is an avalanche of negativity just around the corner for Obama and soon the world will see it unfold.

  189. A reason NOT to vote for the DEMOCRATS this election cycle. A Fine American was THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY THE DEMOCRATS AND TEAM OBAMA by NOT STANDING for this person’s rights.

    Country before Party, When the party that’s SUPPOSE to be for Equal And Women RIGHTS attacks this innocent American in the quest of annoiting their “empty suit” against the Clintons. Democratic Leaders, MSM and Team Obama’s MORALLY BANRUPTED LEADERSHIP shows ALL American how little they VALUE Women in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    THIS WOMEN WAS SLANDERED BY THE MEDIA!!!

    THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ENDORSED AND PROMOTED SEXISM AND MYSOGINY as ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR THE WORLD AUDIENCE. AMERICA WAS SHOWN AS BEING HYPOCRITAL ON WOMEN RIGHTS and are the TALIBAN OF THE WEST!!!
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    Vanity Fair to Gina Gershon: Sorry, but we’re not sorry over Bill Clinton story
    By Jo Piazza
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Friday, June 6th 2008, 3:09 PM

    Gina Gershon demanded an apology and a retraction from Vanity Fair after a story implied she’s been carrying on with Bill Clinton. But the mag says she’s not getting the former.

    Vanity Fair refuses to issue a retraction for their Bill Clinton profile that implied the former commander in chief has been having an affair with “Showgirls” stunner Gina Gershon.

    Gershon’s pitbull lawyers at L.A. celebrity law firm Lavely and Singer demanded a retraction from the mag, saying that “rumor mongering was substituted for fact-checking. It is apparent that Vanity Fair was intent upon publishing unsubstantiated rumors, and that it avoided learning the true facts so that the truth would not get in the way. Such conduct is reckless and malicious, giving rise to substantial liability for defamation.”

    But now the mag is biting back. A Vanity Fair spokeswoman says, “Todd Purdum’s article does not indicate that former President Bill Clinton had an improper relationship with Gina Gershon. The story merely examines the concerns of some of Clinton’s aides about reports of his behavior. We don’t believe that any correction is warranted.”

    Purdum attributed the rumored romance to “high-end Hollywood dinner-party gossip” in his profile of Clinton, “The Comeback Id.”

    The writer implied the affair was conducted cross-country as part of Clinton’s bad-boy behavior with bachelor pals Ron Burkle and Steve Bing.

    Gershon has stated that she has only met the former president on three occasions, all of them heavily supervised by the presence of other people.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/06/06/2008-06-06_vanity_fair_to_gina_gershon_sorry_but_we.html

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