When Will Obama Concede? Part II

Update III: Gallup poll from yesterday shows Obama losing to McCain. Obama will concede now or in NOvember. Guess who wins against McCain? Clinton leads McCain 48% to 45%. This includes an even more sizeable lead for Clinton over McCain in Tuesday night’s interviewing.

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Update II: Commentary excerpts from Rasmussen Reports:

The woman who shouted “McCain in ’08” at the Democratic rules committee was speaking for a multitude. After mounting for months, female anger over the choreographed dumping on Hillary Clinton and her supporters has exploded — and party loyalty be damned. [snip]

“Obama will NOT get my vote, and one step more,” Ellen Thorp, a 59-year-old flight attendant from Houston told me. “I have been a Democrat for 38 years. As of today, I am registering as an independent. Yee Haw!”

A new Pew Research Center poll points to a surging tide of fury, especially among white women. As recently as April, this group preferred Obama over the presumptive Republican John McCain by three percentage points. By May, McCain enjoyed an eight-point lead among white women.

What’s dangerous for the Democratic Party is that, for many women, the eye of the storm has moved beyond Hillary or anything she does at this point. The offense has turned personal.

They are now in their own orbit, having abandoned popular Democratic Websites that reveled in crude anti-Hillary outpourings — and established new ones on which they trade stories of the Obama people’s nastiness. [snip]

The women are angry at the ludicrous charges of racism leveled against Clinton by the Obama camp — amplified in the supposedly respectable media — and projected onto themselves.

Jean B. Grillo, an “over 50” writer in lower Manhattan, was pretty straightforward: “I am so tired as a white, ultra-liberal, McGovern-voting, civil-rights marching, anti-war fighting highly educated professional woman who totally supports Hillary Clinton to be attacked and vilified as racist and or dumb.”

Shauna Morris, a 44-year-old lawyer from Largo, Fla., told me, “I am upper-middle class, and I still can’t stand him — and it has nothing to do with race, believe me.”

The women talk of being taken for granted by a party leadership that never spoke out on some of the outrageous Hillary bashing — and despite the close race, joined the early rush to crown Obama.

“Many of us feel slighted,” said Lynn Eyrich Harvey, 76, from Los Gatos, Calif. “We feel that years of supporting the party is unimportant, that we are to sit down and shut up — but be sure to vote Democratic in November.” [snip]

“How Obama’s campaign has treated Hillary will not be forgotten,” Janet Rogers, 55, who runs a Bed and Breakfast in Medina, Ohio, wrote me. “I will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. My husband and friends all feel the same way.”

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Update: We added a link to Ed O’Reilly’s website. O’Reilly is the candidate running against John Kerry.

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As we wrote in Part I, Obama is unelectable and not qualified to be president. Obama will either concede now or face defeat in NOvember and concede to John McCain.

Hillary Clinton, can defeat John McCain. Barack Obama cannot defeat John McCain. Only a suicidal Democratic? Party would nominate Barack Obama.

Yesterday, Politico outlined the insurmountable roadblock Obama has due to, as we wrote, his race-baiting, gay-bashing, woman-hating campaign of deception and distraction. The “presumtive Democratic nominee” is not our nominee.

one-third of Hillary Clinton’s supporters in Montana and South Dakota said they would not vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Exit polls from both states demonstrate that Obama inherits a fractured coalition after the longest primary race in modern history. Demographic divisions dug by class, race, gender and political philosophy haunted Obama until his last contests, effectively forcing the Illinois senator to limp across the finish line Tuesday night.

The cappuccino versus coffee Democratic divide between upper class and working voters continued. Coffee Democrats were more likely to back Clinton while cappuccino Democrats were more likely to back Obama. That these divisions were also deepened by gender and racial identity — rooted in long-sought historic firsts for women and blacks — means that there exists an unprecedented intra-party burden that befalls Obama.

On Tuesday the more working-class white Democratic electorate of South Dakota once again proved un-winnable for Obama, as has been the case in contests from Ohio to Kentucky. [snip]

Roughly one quarter of Clinton voters in Montana said they would vote for McCain in November if Obama were the Democratic nominee; about one in 10 said they intended not to vote. When South Dakota Democratic voters were asked how they would vote if Obama was the Democratic nominee, about 15 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back McCain and an equal portion said they intended to sit out the general election.

In response, the Obama campaign, once again restated the Axelrod/Brazile dream of their new Democratic? Party:

It has been a hard-fought and sometimes bitter campaign, but Obama is not, one of his senior advisers assured me Tuesday night, going to spend a lot of time in the next few months wooing Clinton supporters whose feelings may be hurting.

“I think there are always immediate feelings of disappointment and anger,” Anita Dunn said. “But in the months ahead, he must appeal not just to the constituency groups who favored her in the primaries, but those he wants in the general election, and that includes independents and Republicans.”

Another Obama adviser, who asked not to be identified, said that he was not worried that Clinton supporters would stay angry.

No surprise. The Obama campaign has said this before.

Donna Brazile: A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.

David Axelrod: The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes.

No Democrat that cares about the issues should vote for Barack Obama. No Democrat that cares about the FDR coalition that wins elections should vote for Barack Obama.

Kristen Breitweiser outlined the problem and what should be done by Democrats.

Those who are responsible for putting Democrats in the broken place we are in right now with regard to Barack Obama had better own it to the end. Leave those bumper stickers on and wear those campaign pins until the bitter end folks because YOU OWN IT. And people are going to want to know whose to blame.

And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too. This time around, everybody’s going to be looking for accountability.

We wholeheartedly agree with Breitweiser: accountability.

Flash forward to Election Day 08. Can you imagine the backpedaling going on when it comes to explaining how Barack Obama — the Democratic nominee by math not by sensibility – loses key states? What will those pundits say? Can they turn to history and defend themselves by saying that Obama won Ohio in the primary? Pennsylvania? Florida? And what about West Virginia? No Democrat has won the WH since 1916 without winning West Virginia and we all know what happened yesterday. What will they use as their rationale as to why they reasonably expected Obama to win those states in the general? Will they be driven mad with their math and just keep repeating that it wasn’t their fault — it was math’s fault? (Or will they fall back on the usual suspect and blame it on Hillary?)

Breitweiser lampooned the now abandoned Obama argument of redrawing the political map and 60%, 70%, 80% victory in November:

Maybe they’ll use the argument that Obama was supposed to re-draw the political map. That Obama promised that “all states were in play.” And, what if he turns out to be wrong? What if Obama loses those red states (and even some of those key blue states)? Is it possible that after e-i-g-h-t years of George Bush, we will have another Republican in the WH? Is it fathomable that a Republican like McCain could win by a landslide?

Breitweiser, one of the “Jersey Girls” who lost her husband in the 9/11 attacks, campaigned for John Kerry in 2004. Breitweiser destroys the Obama Hopium driven delusion that Obama will best McCain on the Iraq issue:

That leaves Iraq, right? A slam-dunk for Obama, right? Not so fast. After witnessing the defying of logic and the suspension of belief in what happened to John Kerry in 04, anyone who thinks Obama’s “speech” about the Iraq war from the cozy confines of a Chicago suburb will assuredly prove that Obama is a better Commander in Chief than John McCain, needs to think again. And yes, I know that the vast majority of Americans are against the Iraq war. And yes, I know the Iraq war has cost us billions and contributed to our recession. And yes, I know that John McCain’s words about spending another 100 years in Iraq are repeatedly used against him. But, remember what happened in 04. Logic can be defied. Belief (yes, even hope) can and has been suspended on Election Day.

Remember: John McCain is a veteran. John McCain is a former POW. John McCain is a war hero. Moreover, one of John McCain’s sons is currently serving in Iraq. So, if anyone thinks McCain is going to mistreat or misuse our troops — which include his son, they need to think again. Frankly, Obama will look like a fool against McCain because once again, McCain has his real record, history, and even his family to prove his sound leadership and true patriotism. And Obama merely has his words, hope and the video of his wife sounding unpatriotic which will be used over and over and over again.

The prescription from Breitweiser is the right prescription: And as for the superdelegates, just an FYI, we have the list with your names, you will be held accountable on Election Day and beyond, too.

It’s already happening and we need to organize and make it happen again and again. Hillary supporters are the majority of the Democratic Party grassroots and are strongest in the big Democratic states. We must act like the majority we are and and exercise our muscles:

Attorney Margaret “MarDee” Xifaras has been ousted after 28 years from the state’s delegation to the Democratic National Committee by what one supporter describes as “hard-core Hillary feminists” upset with her endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama for president in a state that went for Sen. Clinton.

The removal of the tireless campaigner from Marion came last weekend when the Democratic State Committee met in Dorchester to vote on the appointment of two men and two women to four-year terms on the national panel.

After cheerfully saying, “I’m still standing,” Mrs. Xifaras told The Standard-Times, “It was interesting to watch because there was a fair amount of disconcert from friends, partly female friends, that I had chosen to support Obama.”

MarDee is a close John Kerry friend. John Kerry is trying to prevent a primary campaign against himself from taking place. Kerry should be primaried.

He said the “hard-core Hillary feminist” sentiment combined with a mood of anti-incumbency at the meeting, a trend he felt personally when Acushnet voters dealt him a narrow loss of his job as town clerk this spring.

“Let me put it this way,” he said. “Among the Clinton supporters there was a sort of unwritten word that went out that said we elect our own, and the collateral damage on that was we don’t vote Xifaras.”

He said that state Senate President Therese Murray, D-Plymouth, and former Sen. Lois G. Pines were at the meeting and “have been very outspoken, each of them, about women who have not been supporting Hillary Clinton.”

What happened to Kerry friend MarDee must now be replicated.

Organizing our efforts will not be difficult. PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) is already on the job. More efforts on and off line will emerge. It is not difficult with modern technology to organize nationwide. For instance, we can organize the country into 6 or 4 regions and assign state leaders (or any other structure) to get the word out. Email is a great weapon to be deployed. We can prepare for write-in campaigns in the Fall even if the votes, like those of Michigan and Florida, are discarded. We can prepare for Denver demonstrations – but we prepare – organize, organize, organize. We never surrender the core Democratic principles.

Hillary supporters are the majority of the grassroots of the Democratic Party. Let’s act like it.

Obama will concede before the Democratic Convention or in NOvember.

[We will resume our, issue by issue discussion, of why Obama is not acceptable – in our series Voting For Barack Obama this week. As we wrote earlier … when Obama supporters approach Hillary supporters with oily pleas for party “unity” and with pleas regarding the issues, Hillary supporters need to respond: If you really care about the issues support the only candidate who can win: Hillary Clinton. ]

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635 thoughts on “When Will Obama Concede? Part II

  1. btw .. someone here needs to post the AOL poll url every week so that we can be sure to vote…against the bum and for McCain

  2. I see in a Fox report that Obama is allowing Dean to stay on as DNC Chairman. That is so nice of him allowing the man that rigged the election cycle to give Obama the nomination to keep his job. I would have prefered that he throw Dean under the bus, but I guess there is not any room under there.

  3. ADMIN,

    PUMA! PUMA! PUMA! PUMA!

    thank you admin, dont leave us k?
    we’ve had some fair weather friends, but you like us,
    are staunch.
    admin, your not going close down right? ever? 🙂

    oh and admin, can you add some little ’emotes’ that we could
    add to our posts please? naw just kidding!!!!!!
    (well maybe)

  4. Hi everyone!

    Anyone going to DC on Saturday?. Is Denver still a go. Should i make reservations ?

  5. 1957, Dean is getting to stay? well that is suspicious. I think they are going to select a different vp now. I think Dean was going to be it.

  6. skmf12

    I have not made a new website yet. I have begun collecting production materials for the McCain video, however.

    What will probably happen is I will run a wing of the Stop Obama movement from my current website. Perhaps make the Anti-Barack Coalition (ABC) which I wrote about there some time ago into its own forum.

    You, Djia and I were talking about making a “Primary the Judases” website. I have not had the chance to do anything with that yet and I’m not concerned with that now as defeating the coupists is secondary to beating their titular head, Bambi. If you take out the top of the organization the rest will fall. But we will work on such a site, it’s just not at the top of the list.

    If you want to have another place (because Big Pink isn’t going anywhere) to talk, come and join my site. If and when you do sign up, drop us a line so that we know it’s you. We get a lot of wannabe infiltrators so if I know its you I can greenlight your account right away.

    As most know, there will be fewer sites for us now because some sites will be falling-in with the party line now.

    F_ck that.

    Thankfully, there are many new sites springing up for us, the Dems who will hand Obama his November defeat. One thing we all have to do is to start making blogrolls (like Larry is doing at No Quarter) in order to spread the word and build our network.

    I have to run to an appointment. Back later. 🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  7. confloyd Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    Just on Fox, Obama has now claimed the Democratic Party!

    WHAT EVER

  8. hillfans a word about hillary’s true african-american super delegate supporters. i saw rep. tubbs-jones on tv today. we must give a lotta of love for her and shiela jackson-lee. they must have recieved threats of being primaried and pressure to jump ship to obama. i am showing the love for them also. did cleaver stay loyal to the end or did he jump before hillary got out?

  9. It was incredible watching the cable news bobbleheads last night — now that Obama has assumed “presumptive nominee” status, the real vetting is beginning, and it ain’t looking good for him. I can’t believe this didn’t happen sooner.

  10. Berkeley Vox Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    It was incredible watching the cable news bobbleheads last night — now that Obama has assumed “presumptive nominee” status, the real vetting is beginning, and it ain’t looking good for him. I can’t believe this didn’t happen sooner

    They wanted Hillary out first

  11. Well, I am no longer a part of the DNC either, I can only hope John McCain can beat him. I think McCain is going to need our help.

  12. Thanks, Terrondt, for that reminder. IT is really important that we all write to thank Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones. These are grand women and we owe them a great deal of thanks. They are wonderful role models for all and are having to withstand what I am sure is the most horrendous type of pressure.

  13. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Obama can claim what he wants but I will never be part of any party with him at the helm. I will never follow that punk.

    AMEN! Paul, you have such a way with words. 🙂

  14. Are all her helpers leaving her now? If they are how big will this be when they play the tape?

  15. Well, I was afraid this moment would come, but I still believe something big and dirty about obama will appear before Denver!

    Just a feeling tho, so what scares me the most, is will Hillary on Saturday suspend her campaign, or end her campaign??

    God I pray for her only to suspend, then I still believe she will win, if not, I’m praying for McCain!

  16. I am from Ohio She is my congresswoman. lets show Stephanie Tubbs Jones some love. I spoke with her. Yes she has been pressured. She said once she gives someone her word. She stands by it. In other words she is not a Judas, or turncoat

  17. PUMA !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’m not leaving, I’ve been living on the high for over a year, I need to slowly ascend, achieving this will be watching obama thorn to pieces! .hehehehHEHEHEHhhehahhahaahahHAAHAHAA

  18. neetabug: do you have any contact information? I respect Tubbs-Jones and Lee with all my heart. They have political courage, which is in short supply, in the democratic party.

  19. Gorto wrote:

    >Just a feeling tho, so what scares me the most, is will Hillary on Saturday suspend her >campaign, or end her campaign??

    My hunch, based on nothing I’ve heard — just my gut, is that IF Obama wants her as VP, he may tell her that to be considered, she needs to “disarm” by ending her campaign and announcing her full support, full endorsement, etc.

    If Clinton joins the ticket as VP, I will support the ticket. If she isn’t invited to join, then I’m voting McCain, all the way. And I STILL think she should really just hold out and wait for Obama to tank in the polls, and fight on through Denver.

  20. neetabug Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Hi everyone!

    Anyone going to DC on Saturday?
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    I am trying to get the particulars–nobody seems to know them yet. Do you have them?

    Obamas claim that he has the demoratic party should give some people pause. That is hyperbole on the one hand. But I for one hope it is true. Because in those who support him will be in a vulnerable positon with voters when new revealtions come out.

    I spoke to the campaign office of a candidate for the 11th congressioal district of Virginia which is a long ways from the state of Washinton where I live. The connection I believe is through the web campaign, which I supported. His website touts bambi, I asked him when he did that and he gave me a date in early February. I told him I was a Hillary supporter, thanked him for his time and told him to take my name off his list and I would not be contributing. I neglected to ask who his Republican opponent is but that will be easy enough to find out.

  21. birdgal Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
    neetabug: do you have any contact information? I respect Tubbs-Jones and Lee with all my heart. They have political courage, which is in short supply, in the democratic party.

    Yes, right now i am here in California. I will e-mail her secretary to get you her contact info

  22. John Kerry has a primary challenger Ed’OReilly. This coming Saturday, there will be a convention in Lowell, MA. If this challenger gets 15%, he will be on the ballot to challenge John Kerry in Sept. John Kerry is strongarming local politicians to prevent this from happening. Let’s lend a hand to Ed’ Oreilly!

    http://www.edoreilly.com/

    BTW, O’Reilly is a surpringly good progressive guy. He is a lawyer, very articulate. I did watch a interview with him on Boston TV station a while ago.

  23. check out http://www.camille 424.wordpress.com
    And http://www.hcsfjm.com good site plz go vote taking a poll on which 3 staes to concentrate on in the general against Obama.

    Obama is weak in
    IA=7, CO=9,WI=10, CT=7,NH=4, DE=3, NM=5, OH=20, MO=11, PA=21

    Tied with Mccain
    IN=11, VA=13

    did you sign this petition yet:

    no-obama09.com/dncpetition it starts with

    h t t P
    but I know it will not go through the filter here

  24. I just got a call from the Obama for America campaign, I told them I was voting for McCain..they were shocked???
    I didn’t listen to what else they had to say, probably want money, then I hung up.

  25. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    Thanks, Terrondt, for that reminder. IT is really important that we all write to thank Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones. These are grand women and we owe them a great deal of thanks. They are wonderful role models for all and are having to withstand what I am sure is the most horrendous type of pressure.

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    What are those people’s emails? I’d love to show my respect and admiration.

  26. Molly: Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones. These are grand women and we owe them a great deal of thanks’
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    I wrote the attached letter for twelve members of the black caucus, as part of a fifth wave I have been sending out. It was not sent due to website problems. Molly, Terrondt do either of you or anyone else want to send this to this great. Otherwise I will. Problem is they already have a number of letters wiht my name on them.
    You will need to call their offices to get their email addresses.
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    Dear

    I am very grateful to you for supporting Senator Hillary Clinton in the current presidential contest. It is a tribute to your commitment to the long term interests of our country and your constituents. Unfortunately, not everyone is understands the truth. Not everyone is able to see the forest for the trees. But you certainly do. And that is the hallmark of a true leader.

    It is clear from the empirical data including the election map, the emerging popular vote and swing state polling results that Hillary is the candidate who can beat John McCain in the general election. She has been fully vetted. And, she has the vision, experience and moral courage to deliver the specific changes we need in this country at this pivotal moment in history.

    As you well know Hillary Clinton has been a champion for African Americans throughout her career. She has fought to protect civil rights; expanded opportunities; honored your heroes; and reminded all of us of the contribution African-Americans have made to the success of this country. As President, she will work to increase opportunities for African Americans – by improving our schools and our healthcare system, expanding access to capital, supporting home ownership, cracking down on predatory lenders, and making a national commitment to support troubled young men.

    For my part, I will support Hillary every step of the way. I hope that you will do so as well. Otherwise, we are apt to lose the White House at this critical moment in history, or expose our nation to the thousand misfortunes of inexperienced leadership at a time when the margin of error is razor thin.

    And so, if you step back and weigh the legitimate interests of country, party and constituents against the machinations of big media, internecine pressures and incentives in play, the moral imperative remains clear: Hillary Clinton should be our nominee for President of the United States.

    Very truly yours,

  27. Does anyone know why its takes a long time to post anything on the new website? I think the owner is keeping the bots out, but that is the good part, because then we will be able to see them squirm as crap comes out on the messiah! LOL!!

  28. Maybe it is time for a hillaryis45 Web site. But seriously, we can’t forget about her in the years ahead. She’ll need our help (from New Yorkers and non-New Yorkers alike) to keep her senate seat (or win the–dare I say it–New York governorship) to keep her in the game. I feel that–all of this nonsense notwithstanding–she’s just getting started and that she’ll continue to be the voice of reason in the democratic party for years to come.

  29. I am certainly glad the Bush administration is putting the 9-11 conspirators on trial and hopefully will execute them before Bambi gets in office (if he does). All those latte liberal’s are stupid enough to feel sorry for those terrorists. Bambi will cottle all islamic terrorists!

  30. radical,

    i agree, but you know what i’m wondering?
    what do you think will be the response from the obama horde?
    i believe they will try and screw her at every turn.
    and this being chicago politics as usual, i bet she is going
    to get the snub.

    i hope her people turn out for her…

  31. Yeah Paul, I tried to get on your website and couldn’t figure it out! I use my same name on everything!

  32. djia, I think so too, but I am not for cottling the terrorists that were in on 9-11. Our esteemed madame of the house let Bush and Cheeny go, when there is overwhelming evidence for us to impeach.

    So if she will not prosecute them, why would she want to prosecute the terrorists? I have never liked the left wingnuts of this party or the rightwingnuts of the republicans!

    Djia, I sent you a message on our private site!

  33. Thank you Admin for your continued defiance. As the number of blogs that I will be able to tollerate diminishes with Hillary’s necessary but unfortunate announcement on Saturday, it feels fantastic to be a part of the opposition to this coup.

    If it feels this way for me, I can only imagine what it feels like for Hillary. Thankfully she has shown everyone that she has the fortitude to withstand the worst that the opposition has to offer. It is perhaps the most important reason that she is my choice for leader of the freeworld.

  34. skmf12,

    You may have a point, but if Obama is elected–and make no mistake, that is a BIG if (he didn’t become democratic nominee from the support of even mainstream democrats, let alone the general electorate)–I highly doubt his credibility will last long at all as president. If he loses, Democrats will look to Hillary; if he wins, they will as well after two years at most.

  35. admin sed:

    We wholeheartedly agree with Breitweiser: accountability.

    Flash forward to Election Day 08. Can you imagine the backpedaling going on when it comes to explaining how Barack Obama — the Democratic nominee by math not by sensibility – loses key states?
    &&&&&&

    The loss will be felt down ticket as well. Angry Dems will want to send a message to those earning Profiles in Cowardice.

    And for the fewer Profiles in Courage SDs, I expect BO will be dragging them down too. Voters might not be angry with their SD who supported the voters’ choice, but they might be disillusioned more generally with the Dem leadership, that “those people” don’t care about the backbone of the Democratic party.

  36. Confloyd, I guess you’re not on Hillary’s mailing list. I got this email from her:

    Dear Friend,

    I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

    On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

    I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

    When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

    I made you — and everyone who supported me — a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I’m going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

    I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

    I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

    In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

    I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  37. Ugh, the lyin’, sack of shit, Anti-christ bastard, was in my neck of the woods today (Bristol, Va.). You should have heard the load of shit he was peddling to a largely agricultural community! UNDERHANDED, TWO-FACED FUCKER!!

    I’m gonna dance on that son of a bitches grave come NOvember!

    (pardon all the french)

  38. THIN-SKIN…

    Ann, Brazile cannot handle your strong but reasoned criticism, and has to resort to calling it “hate mail”. Just like the way Bill/Hill have been called “racists” since February, when Obama & Cabal realized that this would be the only way they could have a shot. At no point did you call her a so-and-so.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    # Ann Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    donna@brazileassociates.com

    her response?

    Do not send this kind of email ever again. I am forwarding to watchdog groups who monitor hate mail.
    &&&
    The original letter to Brazile:

    Donna,
    Congratulations. Your backroom machinations and scorched earth tactics have succeeded in nominating the first AA candidate for President. That is a very noble goal. Too bad it will be forever tainted by the heavy-handed maneuvers of the party machine.

    You are now in a position of running a candidate in the general election that has been funded by a convicted political fixer and who has long-standing political and personal ties to radical anti-American crazies.

    Now he will face an opponent that will not be constrained by party loyalty from attacking the chosen one.

    Good luck with that.

    McCain 2008/Clinton 2012

  39. Universal,
    Your remarks about AA’s fearing Hispanics is absolutely correct. Hispanics are the new “majority minority” and that is one of the reasons for the deep animosity between the groups. Many AA’s see their turf eroding. Many immigrant Hispanics who come here illegally work their tails off because they have no recourse to social services and must depend entirely on their own work and sweat to make any economic progress. Add that to the significantly higher birth rates among Hispanics and the writing is on the wall.

    On another note, in many ways it seems the women who have benefited the most from the women’s movement have been AA. Check the roster on the DNC. Check who had the most influence over the decision being handed down. I find it somewhat ironic that women of color who benefited not only from Affirmative Action incentives but also through the influence of the Women’s Movement didn’t recognize that in blocking HRC they have doomed themselves as well.

    Sexism is just as rampant, if not more so, among non-white males. Just listen to any rap ‘artist’ including the one Waffles had blaring at an event this year.
    Add rap to Odinga’s push for Sharia and Waffles implicit approval of the horrible practice and you would think AA women would be even more inclined to support ANY woman candidate over him.

    622222222226

  40. ADMIN,
    Great post. Please don’t leave us!
    Universal,
    Your remarks about AA’s fearing Hispanics is absolutely correct. Hispanics are the new “majority minority” and that is one of the reasons for the deep animosity between the groups. Many AA’s see their turf eroding. Many immigrant Hispanics who come here illegally work their tails off because they have no recourse to social services and must depend entirely on their own work and sweat to make any economic progress. Add that to the significantly higher birth rates among Hispanics and the writing is on the wall.

  41. The following is from mydd.com

    Retaining Delegates
    by alyssa chaos, Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:55:23 PM EST

    SO, I didn’t want to ruin the love fest out there, which I must admit that I do enjoy and is super fun, but I couldn’t resist. I stumbled, okay not stumbled, upon a little tidbit of information right now. [disclaimer: some may have already heard, but seeing as Im the last to know, Im gonna post it anyways]

    A few weeks back, I joined BarackObama.com. More for being in the know and less of a declaration of my support. I decided it would be good for networking and hell it couldn’t hurt. So when I did join, I was automatically put on a magic list where my local peeps started emailing me about the Texas Democratic Convention and all the hubabub going on in MyTown, USA.

    Today they sent me an interesting piece of info…

    They sent me a little window into what the Obama Campaign is thinking…via email

    With the news yesterday that Senator Clinton will officially end her candidacy by the end of this week, the MyTown for Obama delegation to the State Convention in Austin is more important than ever to insure we have full strength and representation in Austin and are able to elect a full slate of Texas delegates to go to Denver.

    We are looking for 8 people who would be able to attend the convention tomorrow to fill openings in the delegation list. We have until 10 am today to fill these openings and the only qualification required is that you must have voted in the Democratic Party primary on March 4th and support Senator Obama’s candidacy for President. If you are someone you know qualify under these criteria, please contact [censor, names and digits] We are able to provide transportation and hotel accommodations and recognize this is a very short notice. Please help us if you are able to insure MyTown has a full strength delegation in Austin this weekend!

    So after I read it I was confused…I mean is there any reason to care about delegates at this point…I sent them an email back:

    Im a tad confused…if she has conceded why show up to the State Convention. Second, where are these 8 openings coming from? Obama supporters who cant go or Hillary supporters who wont be going?

    They responded:

    She hasn’t conceded, only going to “suspend” her campaign. and we need maximum turnout from the Obama supporters to insure the Texas delegation is intact.

    The open 8 seats are due to the Challenge that was won restoring the 26/26 Delegates/Alternates that were incorrectly assigned to Senator Clinton by the County Nominations Committee on March 29th.

    Man, I wanted to go. I seriously wanted to say yes.I wanted nothing more than to go to the State Convention and stand with all my fellow dems cheering and doing it up. But I couldn’t say yes; I support Obama but I will always be a “Student for Hillary” at heart. Could I have cast a vote against her in Austin? No. Im not ready just yet to make such a bold statement. It would have been dishonest of me, to take a hardcore Obama supporters place.

    –What I infer from all this is that the Obama Campaign is moving aggressively to continue its dominance in the caucuses and that the O Campaign knows that the CLinton Campaign is retaining her delegates and is going to use its delegates as bargaining chips or is already in the process of doing so. The O Campaign is being careful to ‘cover its ass’ and make sure they dont lose a single delegate. It confirms the reports that she, Hillary, will be holding on to them delegates for a wee bit longer.What is her endgame w/ the delegates? I have no idea.

    [I also wanted to take the time to make a shout out to the Obama supporters and organizers in Texas and El Paso county. You guys are working hard til the very end, and I admire that. The network of organizers, staffers, volunteers, and supporters that the O Campaign has set up is amazing. And I really appreciate the email asking me to be a delegate.]

  42. The problem I have with Ed O’Reilly is this:

    Ed was a strong opponent to the war in Iraq, remembering the lessons learned from Vietnam where his older brother, Bobby, served. As such, Ed contributed and supported Howard Dean’s candidacy. Although disturbed with John Kerry’s “for it” (before he was against it) vote giving President Bush unbridled authority to wage war, Ed did join in helping the eventual Democratic Nominee for President.

    Ed was elected and served as an at-large Gloucester City Councilor in the 1980’s and was highly regarded as a supporter of environmental causes.

    In the 1990’s Ed served as Chairman and member of the Gloucester School Committee.

    Known for his sense of humor, Ed has served for over twenty years as the Master of Ceremonies in the bi-annual “roasting” of Gloucester political candidates.
    *****************************************************
    The Howard Dean factor…is this guy a loyalist for Howard Dean or his he someone who love their country and is progressive. And stand up for women rights and not trashed this and use it as a political tactic by mysoginists in the party period!!

    Getting rid of one backstabber for another is not my ideal situation.

  43. wagner1jc Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    The video on that HCSFJM.com site is amazing! Great job, whomever.
    …………
    The great work is by a great person….CyperPieHole
    I’ll tell him you liked it

    Off to read the new article

  44. # Ann Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    donna@brazileassociates.com

    her response?

    Do not send this kind of email ever again. I am forwarding to watchdog groups who monitor hate mail.
    &&&
    The original letter to Brazile:

    Donna,
    Congratulations. Your backroom machinations and scorched earth tactics have succeeded in nominating the first AA candidate for President. That is a very noble goal. Too bad it will be forever tainted by the heavy-handed maneuvers of the party machine.

    You are now in a position of running a candidate in the general election that has been funded by a convicted political fixer and who has long-standing political and personal ties to radical anti-American crazies.

    Now he will face an opponent that will not be constrained by party loyalty from attacking the chosen one.

    Good luck with that.

    McCain 2008/Clinton 2012

    *************************
    I wrote Donna Brazlile last week and called her out about the RBC shenanigans. I told her that despite what her mama taught her, my mama taught me that when you spit in the wind, it comes back down in your face and that God don’t like ugly.

    I also told her that I look forward to her resignation seeing that she promised us that she would resign if the SD decide the election and I told her that I could never support Obama due to his race baiting and sexist behavior towards Sen. Clinton.
    In additon, I sent her a 10pt list of the reasons why I couldn’t support him.

    She wrote me back telling me to remind her to tellme her 15pt list on party divisiveness or something like that.

    I told her to bring it as I’m waiting and I called her Katherine Harris. She wrote back, without the wig or something like that. Then she threatened to release my emails to some group for hate speech and that she would expose it to the media.

    I wrote her back and told her that I was a very high information voter and that if she published my emails I would sue her. I reminded her that at the bottom of all of my emails to her I noted that ‘openning these emails constitutes that you agree that they are private and confidention and not for public release’.

    So I told her, make my day and publish/investigae away.

    My point, don’t let Donna Brazile initimidate you. I also told her that I think that the world and the media would love to see how disrespectful, smug and rude she, a public Democratic official is to individual Democrats.

    She is vile and should be held accountable. Wehave every right to email her as long as it is not threatening or harrassment.

    My new name for her is Katherine Harris as she is sno against counting the votes and standing for the roolz.

  45. I was listening to NPR and people in the Democratic Party still think we will unit and vote for Obama in Nov?? What little they know and how little they understand us.

  46. JAS, I think the DNC needs some psycotherapy, which will need to be given in November.

    Hillary 2012!!

  47. Donna Brazile is a hack, has no ethics and I’m sure her Mama
    would be ashamed of her behavior

  48. Oh the Obama people are so confident, they have put their candidate and themselves so high up on that pedestal that when the come crashing it will be a long way to fall. I can’t wait to see it!

  49. I just received this letter from Sen.Joe Lieberman. He was asked by Sen. McCain to starting a grassroots organization called, “Citizens for McCain.” Well, now this is the way to get Clinton Democrats to cross over, have the poster child of crossing over head that organization!!!

  50. called mccain’s office-go to his website. on the left is a citzens for mccain box on the left. it asks i fu supported hillary etc.. they also told me they are organizing dems for mccain asap and will have a site for that.

  51. carbynew,

    Ed O’Reilly looks like a typical anti-war fervent. I don’t want either of these day get elected as senator. Kerry will win handily in Nov. But it’s fun to stir up a bit trouble for his comfortable ass in the primary.

  52. I did not get a link just this letter, it was defenitley crafted toward the Clinton Democrats. Here is the letter.

    To: Fellow McCain Supporters

    From: Senator Joe Lieberman

    Date: June 5th, 2008

    Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, “Citizens for McCain.”

    Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship.

    As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party’s nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

    But first and foremost, I am an American. I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain’s character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President.

    I have worked with John McCain for many years in the U.S. Senate and know from experience that he can unite Democrats, Republicans and Independents like no one else in this country. He did it in the United States Senate and he can do it as President of the United States.

    But we need help from McCain supporters such as you to reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization?

    I am confident we will find many Democrats and Independents who, like John McCain and me, put country before political party and will support a leader with a real record of bipartisanship.

    Time and time again John McCain has put his country first. He refused early release when he was held captive in Vietnam. He continued to put his country first as a national leader in the U.S. Senate. He put country before party when he fought to pass campaign finance reform, sought a bi-partisan solution to the immigration problem, and consistently supported pro-environment policies. His courage to stand up to the failed Iraq war plan of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and lead the fight for a new strategy in Iraq will go down in history, and it saved American lives. These were not always the easy things to do. In fact, they were usually very difficult, and often threatened his political career. But John McCain did what was right.

    He said it best in his speech in New Orleans on Tuesday night:

    “(The American people) know I have a long record of bipartisan problem solving. They’ve seen me put our country before any President — before any party — before any special interest — before my own interest. They might think me an imperfect servant of our country, which I surely am. But I am her servant first, last and always.”

    The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times. Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.

    Senator McCain has had a very good working relationship with Senator Clinton and will continue to do so in the future. In the same New Orleans speech he said:

    “Senator Clinton has earned great respect for her tenacity and courage. The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans, and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received. As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach. I am proud to call her my friend.”

    I am proud to call John McCain my friend and ask you to help our friend become the next President of the United States.

    Please forward this email to your lists today and ask your friends, family, and coworkers who do not consider themselves Republicans to join me in filling out the Citizens for McCain form today.

    Thank you for your willingness to help me expand this new organization. Together, we will make history

  53. Classless markos…

    Stay classy, Kos: Markos goes after McCain’s … teethposted at 3:00 pm on June 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
    Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Bookmark this post, and recall it every single time a progressive blogger accuses us of “distractions” and irrelevancies when it comes to criticizing Barack Obama. Today, Markos gives his readers a substantive reason to vote against John McCain — his yellowed teeth:
    Hunter already mocked John McCain’s website today, and I’m still shaking my head at the blatant rip offs from the Obama website. But I’m also shocked that his team didn’t … well, take a look ….
    It’s pretty bad when your hair is whiter than your teeth. Take a closer look … I mean, they have teeth whitening products today.

    Gee, where have we seen this attack before? Oh, right — from the Sorosphere. The local MinnMon ran an equally classy attack on McCain’s teeth without doing any research on McCain’s dental history:
    In 1968 he was offered early release, and when he refused, because others had been there longer, his captors went at him again; he suffered cracked ribs, teeth broken off at the gum line, and torture with ropes that lashed his arms behind his back and that were progressively tightened all through the night.” Source Vanity Fair, February 2007
    “He spent two years in solitary confinement, suffered from dysentery and even tried to commit suicide by hanging himself with his own shirt.
    In 1968, the Vietnamese broke off many of his teeth at the gum and tortured him for hours on end. They offered him early release, knowing his value as an admirals son, but he refused, saying others had been held captive longer.” Source Daily Mail, February 1, 2008
    You know, I fail to see how this heals the oceans, helps Michelle Obama’s kids, or has anything to do with why people should vote for or against John McCain. Then again, I’m not the blogosphere’s cheerleader-in-chief for a candidate with no executive experience, no foreign-policy experience, no military experience, and a grand total of three years in national office with no legislative track record. If I was, I’d be tempted to find distractions like the tooth color of a man whose mouth and the rest of his body got tortured and beaten for five and a half years in service to this country.
    Just in case this gets “disappeared”, I have the post cached here with comments through 1 pm CT today. A significant number of Kos’ commenters sound refreshingly disgusted with this post.

  54. JAS, I think that letter was why Obama went after him and got him against the wall on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

    A tall, young black man bullying a small, old Jewish guy looks pretty bad.

  55. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/05/video-the-obligatory-fist-bump-of-hope-clip/

    Video: The obligatory “fist bump of hope” clipposted at 3:50 pm on June 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
    Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Evidently this is important enough to warrant not only multiple stories on the wires but a follow-up question during a sitdown with the anchor of the NBC evening news. What’s the fascination? Is it evidence of cultural “authenticity”? Some sort of secret Camelot handshake, the significance of which is lost on young-ish types like me but known only too well to nostalgic geriatric Democrats? Or is it just cute and endearing, and therefore to be laid in front of the public at every opportunity by a media with love in its eyes and a song in its heart?
    Rumor has it that it was followed by an obligatory ass pat. Well played, sir.

  56. Kostner, Markos is a POS of immense proportions. BTW- has he ever backed a winner?

    Anyone?

    Anyone?

    Bueller?

  57. bullshit.

    Democratic Leaders Pressure Clinton to Get Aboard Obama Bandwagon — and Now
    by FOXNews.com
    Thursday, June 5, 2008

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    Wednesday: Hillary Clinton enters the stage to make remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington, D.C. (AP Photo)

    While Hillary Clinton plans to announce Saturday her support for Barack Obama’s candidacy, Democratic party leadership is growing increasingly frustrated with her timetable — rancor that could hurt her chances of salvaging the party’s No. 2.

    Clinton raised the ire of several high-powered Democrats after she refused to concede and acknowledge Obama’s historic achievement Tuesday, when it became clear he had earned enough delegates to become the first black presidential nominee of a major party.

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told FOX News that he “hopes” Clinton’s scheduled address Saturday, which would end her bid to become the first woman president, would be a “very positive statement of support.”

    “It would be in her best interest,” he said, adding it would bring the party together.

    In an e-mail to supporters released late Wednesday, Clinton wrote, “On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign. … I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.”

    Party leaders hope she does.

    Congressional lawmakers from Clinton’s home state of New York — who were some of her biggest backers — endorsed Obama as a group Thursday, signaling it’s time to close ranks behind the presumptive nominee.

    Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Congressional Black Caucus member, said a lot of Democratic lawmakers “are very disappointed that she did not acknowledge he had enough delegates to be the nominee. And we’re not even talking about congratulations.”

    “People just became concerned,” said Cummings. “We in politics learn how to lose and learn how to win.”

    House Democrats have admonished Clinton to be more definitive about her plans and her deference to the presumptive Democratic nominee. To do otherwise could hurt her chances of obtaining a powerful slot in the coming administration, perhaps even the No. 2 post. And her supporters are vigorously lobbying for Obama to tap Clinton as his running mate.

    But the Clinton camp tried to douse any perception that she is mounting a campaign to be vice president by issuing a statement on the speculation Thursday.

    “While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her,” spokesman Howard Wolfson said in the statement. “The choice here is Senator Obama’s and his alone.”

    Chris Kofinis, former spokesman for John Edwards’ campaign, told FOX News that Clinton will have to focus in the coming days on how she would want to factor into an Obama administration. And he said she has a chance to set things right with Democrats on Saturday.

    “They’re wanting to do this next step very right. The speech on Tuesday got panned by a lot of folks for not going far enough to recognize the historic significance of Obama’s nomination,” he said. “She definitely wants to portray … the unity message on Saturday.”

    Obama, speaking in Bristol, Va., Thursday, reached out to Clinton, congratulating her for what he called “her great achievement.”

    “I know I’m a better candidate because I ran against her. She’s tough. She is just an outstanding candidate and a great public servant,” he said, adding “I stand before you as the Democratic nominee for president of the United States of America. I’m very proud of that.”

    Chief among those who have prodded Clinton to formulate and announce a specific exit plan are Reps. Charles Rangel of New York, Barney Frank of Massachusetts, and Norm Dicks of Washington. All three were on a conference call Clinton conducted with about 20 House Democrats who had supported her campaign. The consensus among those Democrats was that Clinton had to decide what to do “sooner rather than later.”

    Rangel had voiced displeasure with Clinton’s Tuesday night speech because it failed to acknowledge Obama’s historic achievement.

    On the call, Clinton declined to commit to a specific date to suspend her campaign or endorse Obama. Lawmakers agreed not to discuss the conference calls with reporters, but Rangel, Frank and Dicks made separate appeals to Clinton to come up with a plan to leave the race and to begin to set it in motion, sources told FOX News.

    Her waiting “puts the congressional delegation in limbo because we leave Washington without having endorsed Obama … we have to be able to say that he’s won and we now have got to bring about unity. Ultimately Hillary Clinton agreed with that,” Rangel said.

    Rangel said the decision to hold the mass Obama endorsement by the New York congressional delegation Thursday was not to pressure Clinton to concede sooner. He said it was simply because they go home on Thursday night and will not be around Saturday when she makes her announcement.

    On Thursday he downplayed the party divisions.

    “We’re Democrats. Dammit to hell we fight,” he said. “When it’s over, we come together and go out there to win.”

    But even if Clinton congratulates Obama on a mission accomplished, she is unlikely to disappear altogether. Still uncertain are the options remaining for Clinton to retain her delegates and promote her issues, including a signature call for universal health care.

    She is closing down her payroll, however. Her campaign team’s last payday is June 15. They will then be unemployed.

    Many of Clinton’s supporters could find employment, however, if she were to be included as the vice presidential candidate, Those dubbing the pairing as a “dream ticket” say it would bring Obama her enthusiastic legions and broaden his appeal to white and working-class voters.

    Rangel said Obama and Clinton need each other — it would help him pick up her supporters if she were on the Democratic ticket, and she “needs to maintain momentum” as a national and international leader.

    Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson told FOX News on Thursday that he is still plugging away for Clinton to be Obama’s running mate. He has asked the Congressional Black Caucus to state publicly who they think Obama’s best option is for a vice presidential running mate.

    “Hillary has part of the Democratic puzzle, Obama has part of the Democratic puzzle. I think the demographic pieces that she brings to his demographic voters gives us a certainty of winning the presidency. And that’s the most important thing, and that’s why I think the two should come together,” he said.

    “This is Obama’s decision, and if his political calculus says I can win without Hillary because I don’t want her to help me govern, that’s his decision, he’s won that right as the nominee. But my position from looking at it and the politics of reality, I think why take the risk if you can win with Hillary?” Johnson added.

    Clinton supporter Lanny Davis also just signed on to VoteBoth.com, a group advocating for the joint ticket, as a senior adviser.

    Obama has indicated he intends to take his time making a decision. On Wednesday, he named a three-person vice presidential vetting team that included Caroline Kennedy, daughter of the late President Kennedy.

    Asked late Wednesday what he thought of Clinton deciding to acknowledge his candidacy, Obama responded: “Truth is, I haven’t had time to think about it. This weekend, I’m going home, talk it over with Michelle and we’re going on a date.”

    FOX News’ Major Garrett and Chad Pergram and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    http://www.elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/05/clinton-to-congratulate-obama-unlikely-to-walk-off-political-stage/

  58. OkieAtty Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    JAS, I think that letter was why Obama went after him and got him against the wall on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

    A tall, young black man bullying a small, old Jewish guy looks pretty bad

    Why should BHO care? His campaign has said, that they don’t need Hillary supporters in the new democratic party. Why should he care? Dumbass.

  59. I just love (NOT) the condescending tone of the party insiders.

    And their assumption that we are sheep who will do whatever we’re told.

  60. texan: I agree. The hypocrisy of people, never ceases to amaze me. How many people have acknowledged her historic race?

  61. you know what?

    we need to contact rangel and others, and tell them that we
    dont want hillary to tow the traitorous democratic line.
    we should tell him, we are not going to forget all the people
    that threaten us or our candidate…

    F*CK EM…
    THEY NEED TO STOP, THIS IS NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!!!!!

  62. OkkieAtty: Karl Rove is a master! he took no time getting to the Clinton dems, (our ex-party has not even recognized us) and thoughs films, that should show you how this camapign is going to go.

  63. more pressure they put to hillary to endorse BHO, more hillarydems will join McCain. Why not give hillary some time to think.

  64. Okie……thank you very much for bringing those videos to us here they are very telling of the future to come for Obama 😀

    NOBAMA!

  65. i wonder -should we organize some sort of convention? along the lines of ems against obama or something?

  66. # JAS Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    I was listening to NPR and people in the Democratic Party still think we will unit and vote for Obama in Nov??
    &&&&

    Isn’t that cute…

  67. yes meiying,

    she she(thank you), you are correct, i know i am getting madder by
    the minute…

  68. from the article that T4H posted: Chief among those who have prodded Clinton to formulate and announce a specific exit plan are Reps. Charles Rangel of New York, Barney Frank of Massachusetts, and Norm Dicks of Washington.

    Are these guys nuts? It’s one thing for them to actually speak to Hillary in private or on a conference call or whatever. But to actually go out in the press and make statements about it when there are millions of people out there who are raw and angry about having this nomination STOLEN from us? These are people who I would never ever have considered in a negative light. It’s just crazy that they are allowing their names to join the ranks of Kerry, Pelosi, Kennedy and Dean.

    These blind calls for party unity just make me angrier. How is it possible that they are not aware of the fact that their actions are having the opposite effect from what they intend?

  69. # texan4hillary Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    i wonder -should we organize some sort of convention? along the lines of ems against obama or something?
    &&&&

    Shadow convention in Denver? Held a couple of blocks away? Just an idea.

    I’m east coast, so that’s not for my benefit. I’d love to go to Denver to razz “my former party”, (and if there’s a massive house-cleaning, maybe a party I would consider supporting again in the future).

  70. well I have broken down and cried now. I watched her Thank You and read her email and I think I’m still in a bit of shock. It is so hard to see such a wonderful candidate who received the most votes simply have her nomination stolen. I will remember and the down ticket democrats will also be on the receiving end.

    I would have accepted a true defeat at the behest of a real candidate .. however, he is not legit and I really don’t care if Hillary is willing to accept him (I know she’ll go party unity .. she is more of a woman than me)

  71. dot, the candidacy is not legitmate. That is why, people are so angry. It was cheated, gamed, and fraud was used.

  72. It just gets worse and worse. I found this quote by riverdaughter about the debacle that occurred last Saturday. I never fully understood why they were fighting so hard to disenfranchise FL and MI but if riverdaughter’s numbers are accurate, well…there are no words.

    Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.

    Source:
    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/obamas-misleading-coronation/#rd

  73. new politics,

    Reid hints that Lieberman may be booted from committee chairmanshipRAW STORY
    Published: Thursday June 5, 2008

    Sen. Joe Lieberman’s recent antics on behalf of Republican John McCain’s presidential campaign haven’t helped his popularity in the Democratic caucus in recent days.

    First Democratic nominee Barack Obama gave the Connecticut Independent a stern talking-to on the Senate floor Wednesday — after Lieberman slammed Obama’s speech on Israel.

    Now Lieberman’s position as chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee may be in danger, according to the subscription-only Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call reports:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday left open the possibility that Sen. Joe Lieberman’s (Conn.) status as an influential chairman in the Democratic Conference may not be solid for the long term, even as he reiterated the Independent Democrat’s importance on key party priorities.

    Reid’s mixed messages on Lieberman come one day after the Connecticut Senator launched public attacks on the Democrats’ newly anointed presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.). Lieberman has long backed the presumptive GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), but took that support to a different level in attacking Obama this week.

    “I’ve had a conversation with Joe Lieberman of some length — I’m not going to discuss those conversations here,” Reid told reporters, but he was quick to add that “we’ll let the future decide” Lieberman’s long-term role as a key party chairman and member of the Conference.

    Reid said he was “not going to threaten anyone here.”

    The Majority Leader’s posture Thursday mirrored the fine line he’s walked on the delicate issue of Lieberman’s role in the party for months. Reid has been reluctant to criticize Lieberman — a longtime friend — ever since he switched from the Democratic party to become an Independent Democrat nearly two years ago.
    Lieberman’s stature among Democrats has fallen precipitously since his 2000 White House campaign as Al Gore’s running mate. Much of the animosity toward’s Lieberman is based on his vocal support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq and his continued defense of President Bush’s war policies; he also has sided with the Bush administration on issues like warrantless wiretapping and the Patriot Act.

    After losing a primary campaign in Connecticut in 2006, Lieberman left the Democratic party to become an Independent, and the held on to his Senate seat in the general election. Reid has generally defended Lieberman because he continues to vote with Democrats on some issues.

  74. skmf12 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
    a convention of our own?

    HORRAY!!!!!
    *****************************************************
    Please don’t.

  75. ah dot,

    sorry…
    its time for us to get some backbone, buck up, and stop our
    sniveling i guess, but its not easy.

    we can only fight this from ever happening again, by putting a
    stop to this new kind of politics now…

    we have to be the ones.
    it has fallen on us, to be sure the world, and future rip-offs
    realize, we wont let it ever happen again.
    if we let them get away with this, could you imagine what a
    flood gate this will open?
    we fought to keep terrorism from hitting us again after 9/11,
    and now we must fight domestic political terrorists, working on
    the inside.
    we see it, the masses dont…

    we need to be on this gorilla warfare team…

  76. I hope that John McCain will send a mailer to everyone in the US about his military service, his POW tortures and let them know that this is why he would be very careful about how he uses our military power.

    The more I read and learn about McCain, wow, I have to say I’m impressed. How the heck the lost the nomination so many years ago is strange.

    I can’t wait to see who his veep is.

  77. Wow, so Reid is officially 👿 ‘s bitch now? I think we should take up a collection and send him his own presidential kneepads and some Tigerbalm. he’s going to have a very sore jaw.

  78. so the highhandness of the Dems just doesn’t seize to amaze me.

    The Reids, pelosi’s and dean’s think they own the whole shittin shebang now

  79. In reading McCains story (still reading it) i came across this interesting paragraph……read it and then tell me who fits this description?

    “We also had a guy in our camp whom we named “The Soft-Soap Fairy.” He was from an important family in North Vietnam. He wore a fancy uniform and was a real sharp cookie, with a dominant position in this camp. “The Soft-Soap Fairy,” who was somewhat effeminate, was the nice guy, and the camp commander—”Slopehead”—was the bad guy. Old “Soft-Soap” would always come in whenever anything went wrong and say, “Oh, I didn’t know they did this to you. All you had to do was co-operate and everything would have been O.K.”

  80. why am i getting all these emails that folks just sw on fox and msnbc that hillary has rule about being obama’s vp?

  81. Harry Reid is stupid..the Democrats need Lieberman right now to hold the majority and stories like this getting out in the public is only going to piss him off.

    I hope they do piss of Lieberman and he’ll aligned with the republicans for the last few months of GWB admin.

    The Democrats need to be careful that they also don’t pissed off Hillary because it appears they don’t respect her very much…Rangel need to be quiet and worry about Obama tanking because Team Obama and the Democrats need Hillary more then Hillary need them.

  82. This is the second time the democrats punked out on Hillary…the first time it was Health Care in the 90’s and now this time…What a bunch of slimmers.

    The Democrat really think Obama will be the next POTUS because he won that rig democratic primary.

  83. I changed my registration a few weeks back because I was tired of being associated with a bunch of lying, disloyal pussies.

  84. the primary was so rigged. how can anyone unite around a fraudulent candidate? it was not fair.

    Lieberman has some pull. If he gets too ticked off, the dems can lose their majority. I wonder, if BHO put heat on Reid?

  85. I think that Obama and Axelrove will come to realize if they haven’t already that Hillary’s support is strong and firm.

    Sure, some of her folks will go over to him but many will stick with her.

    If the Dems have sense and want to win, they will force him to put her on the ticket and give her meaningful work.

    This is the only way I could support him, short of that, he can go where the sun doesn’t shine.

  86. Oprah Winfrey “Euphoric” Over Barack Obama Clinching Nomination
    Thursday June 5, 2008

    Presidential Candidate Barack Obama is joined by special guest Oprah Winfrey during a rally held at the Verizon Wireless Arena in Manchester, New Hampshire on Dec. 9, 2007.
    Jemal Countess/WireImage.com
    Buzz up!Oprah Winfrey says she is “euphoric” over Barack Obama clinching the Democratic presidential nomination.

    “I’ve been doing the happy dance all day,” she tells Entertainment Tonight.

    Winfrey, 54, has been a staunch supporter of Obama from the beginning of his campaign.

    (See photos of other stars on the campaign trail.)

    “I’m so proud of Barack and [his wife and upcoming View co-host] Michelle Obama and what this means for all of us … the new possibilities for our country,” Winfrey says.

    The talk show host says she’s willing to do whatever it takes to get her candidate elected.

    “If he wants me to,” she says, “I’m ready to go door to door.”

    http://www.usmagazine.com/Oprah-Winfrey-Doing-the-Happy-Dance-After-Barack-Obama-Clinches-Nomination

  87. yeah whatever Oprah .. watch your numbers fall even further ..

    new possibilities for the country ,,, this is what is so scary

  88. Same, OkieAtty. I told the Democratic party not to contact me again, and not to expect any more handouts for me, after what was done to Hillary this year.

  89. Dear Oprah……

    Please bring mini marsh mellows with you so you can thwart off my attack rooster as you make your way up to my door so that we can have a conversation about sexism,racism, rezko, auchi, Rev Wright and pfleger among countless others and what i think about obama

    then i will tell you i am voting for mc cain if obama does not Concede this race to Hillary Clinton who really won this election
    she didn’t have to stoop to the depths of he!! with thuggery of delegates

  90. texan4hillary Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
    why am i getting all these emails that folks just sw on fox and msnbc that hillary has rule about being obama’s vp?

    What are you saying? Not sure what this means?

    If Obama is threatening a Jewish Democrat in the Senate he’s in for a rude awakening. Really bad idea.

  91. Just thought everyone could use a good laugh right now.

    I just saw this explanation (at Noquarter) by the BHO camp: MO did not say “WHITEY” but “WHY DID HE”.

    ROTFL. Unbelievable!!!

  92. Hillmeister44 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
    Just thought everyone could use a good laugh right now.

    I just saw this explanation (at Noquarter) by the BHO camp: MO did not say “WHITEY” but “WHY DID HE”.

    Then show the tape so we can judge for ourselves.

  93. Hillmeister44 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
    Just thought everyone could use a good laugh right now.

    I just saw this explanation (at Noquarter) by the BHO camp: MO did not say “WHITEY” but “WHY DID HE”.

    I thought, it was WHY’D. Maybe, they are refining it, as they go. There must be a tape. ROFL.

  94. re: why did he .. they figure if they say it long enough people will believe it. They told lie after lie on Hillary and Bill and with the media’s help, a lot of people believed it. Not the 18 million voters who gave her their vote of confidence however.

    I will never vote for the empty suite.

  95. noquarter:

    if someone was accusing my wife of saying something racist that was not true, and you asked me in public, I would say emphatically and clearly, “it is not true.” So what is Barack’s problem. He was asked about this today and here is his reply:

    We have seen this before. There is dirt and lies that are circulated in emails and they pump them out long enough until finally you, a mainstream reporter, asks me about it,” Obama said to the McClatchy reporter during a press conference aboard his campaign plane. “That gives legs to the story. If somebody has evidence that myself or Michelle or anybody has said something inappropriate, let them do it.”

    Asked whether he knew it not to be true, Obama said he had answered the question.

    Huh? Are you kidding me? If it ain’t true say so.

    But when a politician tap dances on nuance–Baby it is true. My sources have not backed off. They maintain they have a tape and will drop it on the Dems in the fall. Now if Barack said, “No, and hell no” I would be wondering about my sources. But he punted. He went for the weasel word. The non-denial denial.

    It also is curious that the Obama folks put out the word that Michelle didn’t say “WHITEY”. Nope, according to them she said, “WHY DID HE.” Hmmmm. Why would you put that out if the recording of the event did not exist? Then you have the frantic scrubbing of Trinity websites. How about efforts to check the video files of Chicago TV stations? Stymied. The local ABC station says they will only give up a video if there is a subpoena.

    So, sure looks to me that there a recording of Michelle’s racist rant exists in the hands of folks working to help elect McCain. Obama is hoping they won’t use it. But if you call what he said a denial then you yourself are in a state of (denial that is).

  96. Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.
    ————————————————
    A fraudlent committee deciision, a false corronation, a phoney mandate and,a lost election. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn’t put Humpty together again. Never ever concede. Do not endorse.

  97. 👿 sorta dared them to find proof of him or MO saying something inappropriate. Dumbass.

    He should talk to Gary Hart about daring the press.

  98. Later. Off to Wally-World to buy a new cooker for fat Boston’s food. I dropped the last one and broke it. 🙁 Can’t keep him so svelte if I can’t make his food.

  99. face it folks we let just over 4000 people tell 35 million that took the time to vote in the primary who our presidential nominee is going to be. And to add insult to injury we will let 500 or so decide that for the 100 million that vote in NOvember. if we do nothing else, we MUST at the very least change the way we elect a president in this country.

  100. Saw this transcript of Obama over at Politico, talking about Hillary as VP. It’s amazing to me how graceless the guy can be. If he was smart, and classy, he’d say, “Hillary would make a fantastic president of the United States and as I said during one of the debates, she would be on anyone’s short list, including my own.”

    ———
    That seems to be the rule, expressed in reaction to Clinton’s statement that she’s not seeking the vice presidential nomination.

    Carrie Budoff Brown sends over some transcript from his avail just now:

    “I appreciate very much the statement. Sen. Clinton has obviously been through this. President Clinton went though a very deliberative process when he selected Al Gore. So we have put together a committee, we are going to be equally deliberative in how we move forward and now we are going to move forward and we are not going to do in the press and we are not going to do it through surrogates.”

    “The next time you hear from me about the vice presidential selection process will be when I select a vice president. And if you hear secondhand accounts, rumors, gossip about the selection process, you can take it from me that it is wrong, because we are not going to be talking about it in the press.”

    Is that what you instructed the committee?

    “I am a strong believer in doing this in a careful, deliberate way outside of the day-to-day political pressures that inevitably start up during this kind of thing. Listen, there is no decision that I am going to make that is more important before the November election. I intend to do it right and I am not going to do it in the press.”

    So will you say definitely if Clinton is an option?

    “I said before that Sen. Clinton would be on anbody’s short list. But I am not going to discuss who is being considered, how they are being considered. We are just not going to talk about this anymore.”

  101. Picture this —

    It’s 3:00 am….

    The phone is ringing…..

    Obama wakes up and answers it…..

    scared he is…..

    does not know…. what to do…..

    they found the tape…..

    whitey….whitey….whitey….

    calls up Hillary

    asks for help……

  102. I know they are laughing there tails off in other countries. We the so called democratic country. What a JOKE

  103. So much for transparency. What a hypocrite.

    Having Caroline Kennedy on that committee is a joke. It is really a proxy for Ted.

  104. JAS wrote:

    Karl Rove is a master! he took no time getting to the Clinton dems, (our ex-party has not even recognized us) and thoughs films, that should show you how this camapign is going to go.

    ——–
    He must be laughing with glee right now. Same goes for David Gergen, that little snake in the grass — he’s already beginning to pivot against Obama, and show his true colors. I was watching him on CNN last night and his usual fawning praise had been replaced by fake concern over Obama. It’s so ridiculous how Anderson Cooper asks Republican strategists for honest advice about Democrats, and expects an honest answer.

  105. Berkeley Vox:

    Gergen better tread lightly then… if he becomes too critical of waffles he won’t have a CNN gig for much longer.

  106. Wow, more hemming-and-hawwing from wimpy Obama on Michelle’s purported racist rant at Trinity, from No Quarter:
    ——-
    If someone was accusing my wife of saying something racist that was not true, and you asked me in public, I would say emphatically and clearly, “it is not true.” So what is Barack’s problem. He was asked about this today and here is his reply:

    We have seen this before. There is dirt and lies that are circulated in emails and they pump them out long enough until finally you, a mainstream reporter, asks me about it,” Obama said to the McClatchy reporter during a press conference aboard his campaign plane. “That gives legs to the story. If somebody has evidence that myself or Michelle or anybody has said something inappropriate, let them do it.”

    Asked whether he knew it not to be true, Obama said he had answered the question.

    Huh? Are you kidding me? If it ain’t true say so.

    But when a politician tap dances on nuance–Baby it is true. My sources have not backed off. They maintain they have a tape and will drop it on the Dems in the fall. Now if Barack said, “No, and hell no” I would be wondering about my sources. But he punted. He went for the weasel word. The non-denial denial.

  107. I just emailed this to Lou Dobbs……..Hope he reads it

    Dear Lou Dobbs,

    I watch your show daily; I have admired your honesty and Grit for many years

    I believe you to be one of the only “Honest” ones left in Journalism today.

    I am writing to you today to ask you to be a Journalist with such integrity and grit

    That it would take in todays realm of journalism to do the right thing and report

    on how the Democratic Rules & by laws committee trampled our American Constitutional

    rights to have our votes count as we cast them.

    RBC decided to take our votes away from us in order to STEAL the nomination for Obama

    In broad daylight and no one has dropped a jaw over this, it continues to be cast into the

    Murky shadows of politics as if it never happened.

    Senator Clinton had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan.

    If Obama got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with

    full strength, Sen. Clinton could have added over 86 delegates and

    Obama would have lost 59 that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707.

    I believe a person who becomes a journalist, do this to be the truth teller to the people

    They are to be our watch dogs that alert us . But when the watch dogs take a nap;

    America and her people suffer.

    Lou, I believe you to be a true watch dog for America! But am saddened that you of all watch dogs

    Have let this one fall to the murky way side as everyone else has. It is not too late!!

    This story is apart of our American history now, It will be look upon as a stain as it should be!

    How ever it is a story not fully played out nor told, how the rest of the story will be written in the books

    and told again and again has yet to come to pass.

    What role of America’s history book will you be?

    Please, We the people do here by request of you Lou Dobbs to do a special report on how the RBC did what they did.

    Now while it is not too late!

    I am one of 18 million American Voters asking you to show that true journalism is indeed still alive

    somewhere today in the world.

    Sincerely,

  108. I hate to say this but at this time it’s all about taking Obama down. I hate that clown and I’m tired of the Democratic Party pissing all over women. They think we will stay for Roe vs Wade and the Supreme court but…I don’t trust the democrats any more…so it’s McCain for me in November if Hillary is not the nominee.

    I do think McCain has been very smart in how he is working for the Clintons democrats. Unlike Obambi and the dems taking us for granted or writing us off and kicking us outside.

    It really truly amazing how arrognant and conceited the dems are…that we will lick Obama’s boots. They think we have no place to go, it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

    I don’t think they will believe how serious this rift is until election night in November. Interesting how the dems doesn’t think they have to earn our vote and that we should be kissing their ass for letting us support their messiah.

    Pathetic!

  109. All newscaster will be for Obama, otherwise they fear of being called a rasist, and people like, Roland Martin, Rev. Al and Jessie Jackson will hold protest agianist thoughs networks and their advertisers.

  110. carbnew et all

    don’t think for one second that the media dumbits and the DNC dont know or believe that we are serious

    what they say and do is nothing more than “damage control” make the public “think” that it is not so big
    so they “think” that if they cast a vote for mc cain with a “small” group of protest voters that will not
    do anything so why bother doing it in the first place…… thus they succumb to voting for obama
    because they think they alone can’t fight it

    that is why they say what they say and do what they do…. it is up to US to make sure OUR MESSAGE IS LOUDER THAN THE DUMBITS those lone voers that don’t read blogs watch the DUMBITS…….. we need to reach them!

  111. Turn the table on Martin, Rev AL and Jessie Jackson. They are more racists than anyone. The media is being punked

  112. how do we reach those MSM media watching voters?

    we stage LARGE protests!! we make news the dumbits are forced to cover
    maybe not MSM at first but local media if enough local media and enough bloggers
    cover it then it forces (hopefully) MSM to cover it

    changing our registration only sends a message to the DNC and MSM
    the average joe won’t know about it.

    we need to reach average joe and Jane grassroots style! we need to go door to door in our neighborhoods!! we need to phone call joe and jane

  113. djia Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    it is up to US to make sure OUR MESSAGE IS LOUDER THAN THE DUMBITS those lone voers that don’t read blogs watch the DUMBITS…….. we need to reach them!

    we will reach them with a little help from our friends a fox news. they will reporting as much positive McCain news as possible.

  114. djia Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    how do we reach those MSM media watching voters?

    we stage LARGE protests!! we make news the dumbits are forced to cover
    maybe not MSM at first but local media if enough local media and enough bloggers
    cover it then it forces (hopefully) MSM to cover it

    changing our registration only sends a message to the DNC and MSM
    the average joe won’t know about it.

    we need to reach average joe and Jane grassroots style! we need to go door to door in our neighborhoods!! we need to phone call joe and jane

    You are so right. We need a grassroot effort to get this off the ground, Just as if we were campaigning again. Only we would be campaiging against Obama.

  115. I hate to rub it in but I told you so: FOX is really trashing Hillary since they got OBama where they have wanted him all along.Brute Hume called he a dilusional liar from day one of her campaign.OBam is already being prepared for the Repugs drive to eliminate him and push McCain into the oval office.The stupid DNC and its moraly challenged SD have ruined the party for many years to come.The last thing the RNC wants is Hillary as VP and in a position to step up to the plate when Obama is destroyed by his own hand and mouth.Hillary supporters,stay strong and loyal.Both she and Bill know how to handle this very important political solutionSuspension of her campaign means I WILL RETURN.Do not be too hasty and register as ind.That is not the way to support her right now.She will let us know what her plans are.I trust her.Lou dobbs gave BHO 4 pinochios for his lying statements.Have faith and keep on helping Hillary

    By ABM90. Time running out for me but I will continue my fight for her and hope to see justice prevail.

  116. Amen to that, ABM90! Your commitment is inspiring to me. Mad props, as the kids say these days.

  117. Hello everybody! I’m back after spending some time over at TM. I see some friends from TM here as well, seems like this is a more supportive site of our frustration with BO and the dem leadership.

  118. Hi Psymac: I used to lurk at TM, but the bot infestation is too much, and does not lend for good discussion. Welcome back.

  119. the sad thing is that many women and men will follow Hill’s lead to support him ..

    not this one though. He could promise me the moon and I’d never do it. I also have come to the conclusion that even if she was on the ticket I’d vote them both down.

    The party itself is a sham .. the repubs aren’t really that much better but at this point in time I’m ready to buck it and take the chance with McCain.

    All the media spin that she’s trying to force herself on the ticket .. makes me sick. I hope she makes it emphatic that she is NOT interested in her speech on Saturday.

    They better be worried about HIS headlines not what headlines that Hillary or Bill would bring

  120. dot: many people will not support him. McCain’s site is getting many new supporters, and with all the anti-Obama sites springing up, there is a problem for the dems.

  121. dot48 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
    Why is the media still obsessed with Hillary? Even O’Reilly is still banging on her drum

    I guess, old habits die hard. The more they slam her, the more I love her, and understand how afraid they are, of a true leader.

  122. I said this yesterday about the MO rant tape, but I’ll say it again. The more waffles backs off a complete denial the greater the chances of it existing. I think that’s pretty obvious to most objective people. I’m sure what he said today regarding it’s validity was a well-rehearsed and carefully worded reply that was basically scripted beforehand in anticipation of the question.

    I’m still trying to figure out what other possible reason, other than being caught in a lie, there could be for answering that question in a manner that would leave room for interpretation.

  123. dot

    the MSM is obsessed with hillary. they love the sport of kicking her ass. now what? what will they do now?? oh crap….now they’re stuck with the boring BO vs McCain. you watch, they’ll keep bringing her back to life every day of the week. there is no fun not having her to beat-up and bash-on.

    ass-holes. every fucking one of them.

  124. bird .. I’m mourning. Remember the Olympics when Irina lost, Michelle had to withdraw .. I was so broken hearted for a while. But I got over it but I still remember some of the things that were said about Irina at some web sites. This is what I think Hill supporters will remember in NOvember.

    The media STILL DOESN’t GET IT .

    I am praying for her, she is a strong woman but I know she has to be really hurting right now and to see the media continue to pound.

    I really beleive FOX is really afraid now that she will accept VP and they know then that no way will they get a foot in he WhiteHouse. That is why I think the may be returning to the “beat the Hillary”.

    Why are they not focusing on Obama now vs McCain. Instead the media is still houding her. Maybe they will stop after Saturday. I am not sure when the Senate goes on vacation but I hope Hillary takes a long break. Whiney butt doesn’t need her or us to hear him tell it and I think she can give him his “baby blanket and bottle” on Saturday and then move on.

  125. I’m starting to believe that Fox KNOWS that tape is out there and that Hillary is still in play. They are now starting to bring up Bill’s money again ?????

    something is starting to scare them again about Hillary. the more they bang that drum the more I’m convinced they know that Hill is not out.

  126. I hope Hillary takes a long, relaxing, well-deserved break, so she can re-charge her batteries for when everyone’s going to come crying back to her, after Obama falters. She’ll smile, be her usual gracious awesome self, and pick up right where she left off…
    😉

  127. dot48 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
    bird .. I’m mourning. Remember the Olympics when Irina lost, Michelle had to withdraw .. I was so broken hearted for a while. But I got over it but I still remember some of the things that were said about Irina at some web sites. This is what I think Hill supporters will remember in NOvember.

    Dot, I hear ya, loud and clear. I was heartbroken over Michelle, and when Irina lost, but this is deeper. I will remember in NOvember.

    Maybe, BHO will be so arrogant, as to tell Hillary, that he doesn’t need her help. You know, I would not put it past him or his childish supporters. Heck, the obamabots have already said that, they don’t need us.

  128. Snuck a peek at Olgerman and the BASH MCCAIN via Bush is in full force. Yep, they are still in the tank for Bambi.

  129. Obama clarifies united J’lem comment

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    Hilary Leila Krieger, jerusalem post correspondent , THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 6, 2008

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    Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama did not rule out Palestinian sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem when he called for Israel’s capital to remain “undivided,” his campaign told The Jerusalem Post Thursday.

    “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,” Obama declared Wednesday, to rousing applause from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference.

    But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes “Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”

    “Two principles should apply to any outcome,” which the adviser gave as: “Jerusalem remains Israel’s capital and it’s not going to be divided by barbed wire and checkpoints as it was in 1948-1967.”

    He refused, however, to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods.

    “Beyond those principles, all other aspects are for the two parties to agree at final status negotiations,” the Obama adviser said.

    Many on the right of the political spectrum among America’s Jews welcomed Obama’s remarks at AIPAC, but the clarification of his position left several cold.

    “The Orthodox Union is extremely disappointed in this revision of Senator Obama’s important statement about Jerusalem,” said Nathan Diament, director of public policy for the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations. He had sent out a release Wednesday applauding Obama’s Jerusalem remarks in front of AIPAC.

    “In the current context, everyone understands that saying ‘Jerusalem… must remain undivided’ means that the holy city must remain unified under Israeli rule, as it has been since 1967,” Diament explained.

    “If Senator Obama intended his remarks at AIPAC to be understood in this way, he said nothing that would reasonably lead to such a different interpretation.”

    Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America and another Jewish activist who had originally lauded Obama’s statement, now called the candidate’s words “troubling.”

    “It means he used the term inappropriately, possibly to mislead strong supporters of Israel that he supports something he doesn’t really believe,” Klein charged.

    But congressman Robert Wexler, a Democrat from Florida with ties to the Jewish community and a long-time supporter of Obama, rejected the idea that the Illinois senator had been misleading with his comments.

    “Everyone knows that Jerusalem is a final status issue. That is not a secret to anyone. Senator Obama says emphatically that should the Israelis and the Palestinians negotiate [an agreement], he will respect their conclusions and that he will not dictate a particular resolution.”

    And some groups were pleased by the clarification on Jerusalem provided by the campaign.

    “There was reaction from some of our base who were taken aback by it and thought he was undermining the peace process,” said Americans for Peace Now spokesman Ori Nir, who described his organization as “gratified” by the clarified position which seems to follow APN’s policy that sovereignty of Jerusalem could be shared in a final peace settlement.

    Obama has faced questions about his support for Israel from hawkish quarters of the Jewish community, and his campaign said the speech before AIPAC, following a town hall meeting at a Florida synagogue last month, were key elements in shoring up the Jewish vote, which generally goes to the Democrats.

    “We think we’ve gotten a good reaction to the speech and we’re pleased that we’ve gotten a good reaction,” said the campaign adviser of the candidate’s AIPAC address, which received multiple sustained standing ovations.

    Palestinian factions though were particularly troubled by the original speech’s original language on an undivided Jerusalem.

    “This statement is totally rejected,” said Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, whom a top aide described as “disappointed.”

    “The whole world knows that holy Jerusalem was occupied in 1967 and we will not accept a Palestinian state without having Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state,” Abbas said.

    The Obama campaign adviser said that whatever the international reaction, it was important for the Illinois senator to “make his positions clear.”

    “Our main audience is American voters at the moment. Other people want to know where he stands and it’s important that they do know where he stands,” he said.

    Speaking generally about the speech, which also stressed the importance of a secure Israel and the need to isolate Hamas, Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters: “Obama’s comments have confirmed that there will be no change in the US administration’s foreign policy on the Arab-Israeli conflict.”

    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, called Obama’s address “moving,” adding that he was also impressed by the speeches delivered at the same conference by Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, and presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain.

    Olmert spoke to all three candidates by phone Thursday as he wrapped up a three-day visit to Washington.

  130. I absolutely LOVE the fact that history will show that on the day when Hillary stepped aside and Obama supposedly “clinched” the nomination, he was trailing to McCain, and she was beating McCain. Don’t say we didn’t tell you so, America……

  131. dot48 Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    the sad thing is that many women and men will follow Hill’s lead to support him ..

    dot i was a edwards supporter before and i can tell you that most of his supporters are mad that he endorsed obama
    I don’t think most of her supporters will follow her to obama…… i just don’t see it happening

    maybe if he wasn’t hitler reincarnated but not chance of that being the case.

  132. Buchanon hit the nail on the head. Bambi doesn’t want to talk about vp till he find out in July that he is still tanking with the dems .. I’m sure he’ll get a small boost this week but I think that people still mistrust him and when that tape hits he is totally toast. That tape exists .. I just know it does. It fits her pattern.

  133. Hello HillHeads!

    I find myself feeling pretty good about things today, for reasons which I cannot fathom.
    Well, one irony I can think of was Hannity on radio today reading through Evelyn Pringle’s piece from RezkoWatch in supposed amazement (he’s known all along, of course) repeatedly saying,
    “How could the mainstream media ignore this?”
    Limbaugh weighed in on Rezko too – it is clearly in their arsenal – while fleabag Ed Schultz continued to trash Hillary as the lowlife has ever since signing on to be BO’s personal ball licker.

  134. One other thing is, it is enjoyable to hear Repugs continue to thrash Hillary, saying BO should never nab her for VP.
    Enjoyable because you can just hear the fear;
    they think they’re close to having the Clintons out of the picture, but it ain’t gonna happen, one way or another….

  135. we need enough Hillocrats to defeat the prick. That is my only goal. At this point I really don’t care about the issues and it’s not about HER not winning .. it’s about the whole sham of a primary and the total disrespect shown to her and the fact that even NOW the media can’t see what they did.

    I’m convinced after listening to O’Reilly tonight and digesting it. They KNOW that tape is out there. They know that if Hill is the vp then she’ll glide on in. They know that it’s possible that if he picks someone else that the stupid up the ass party would simply put them in to run and they’d be without ANY base. The repubs still don’t want Hillary around.

    They have something potent and they don’t want Hillary anywhere near where the party can pull her back in.

  136. My understanding is that GOP is confident that they can defeat BHO with someone rather than Hillary as VP. But they are not so sure they can defeat BHO if Hillary as VP. that is why they still trash Hillary.

  137. The media will NEVER stop hounding the Clintons until they can dance on their graves. Their jealousy and fear of them is that great. It is one of the worst things I’ve seen in politics in my lifetime.

    The disgust I feel for the Democratic Party did not just start this election cycle…it’s been brewing since the trashing of the Clintons when he first took office. Ken Starr and how lives in my home state were ruined by it. During the Bush mess, the Dems did not stand up for the Clintons and seemed to enjoy the bashing. It’s all come to a head with the vile way both Hillary and Bill have been treated during this election.

    I will NEVER, EVER forget. The vicious bashing of Hillary is bad enough and then the DNC picks out a little guy who has boxcar loads of baggage more than Bill and Hillary combined and that’s before we even get count his wife and all of hers.

    Never, ever forget!

  138. I actually feel sorry for McCain .. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and all the other networks will give him what they’ve been giving Hillary.

    The repubs try to say that Hillary will drive their base out to vote against her but boy they sure want to continue to try to KEEP HER OUT. That tell me they are VERY AFRAID of her. If they want to bring thie base out so bad it looks like they’d love have Hill on the ticket LOL.

    O’Reilly has been sucking egg for Obama lately I guess to try to get his interview.

    Boy CNN already setting Waffles up a fluff interview to try to win over the women.

  139. Hey All – I saw this on TM board, and thought it was interesting. If this is true, I can’t stand these spineless people – the Democratic leadership use mafioso-like tactics – they’re a cult themselves – cult of the spineless:

    I just got an interesting email through Hillary’s Voices, the Yahoo group of Hillary grass roots supporters. It was information from someone in the know about how Hillary’s suspension happened. Apparently she spent Tuesday making calls to super delegates and was getting a lot of resistance – it became clear that the supers had basically been told by the DNC not to allow/give Hillary the support needed to take it to the convention. When the question of whether or not he is electable in November came up, there were those who conceded that he may not be able to get elected, but that the new voters and money he brings to the party will be good for the future of the party downticket. She was basically given no way forward except to concede. And then the media leaked that she was going to concede so she decided to stick a finger in their eye and do it on her own terms, hence the victory speech Tuesday night.

    I don’t know how accurate this is, I believe it to be good information. And if it is true, ha, talk about fixing. These people are utter fools.
    JJ | 06.05.2008 – 7:59 pm | #

  140. talk radio today said the same about HRC – as VP would be shoe-in to WH. they (talk-radio-pukes) are hoping BO will pick ANOTHER woman just to shove it up hillary’s butt.

    yup, whether repug or dem, they’re all scum-bags. everyone delights in putting down our girl. why? because she’s the smartest, toughest and most amazing, that’s why. they are scared to death of her.

  141. Also, I believe Obama’s tactics with McCain will be similar to what he did to Hillary.

    He will try and rally Republicans around him and use their hatred for McCain against him.

    He will use age-ism combined with racism (as opposed to sexism and racism that he used against Hillary).

    The media, his supporters, his surrogates, his advisors, the Axelrod of Evil will be his smear machine to keep highlighting how old McCain is. Meanwhile, the Precious will pretend like he has no idea about their tactics.

    He will raise lobbyist money through their networks, associates and family members and try and outspend McCain.

  142. GOP scares as hell because the political environment is not good for them this election cyclethat is also why DNC dare to think that they can win without Hillarydemocrats.

  143. wow, this is HUGE!!!

    Pe no quarter:

    Clintondems.com isn’t just some site by a bunch of Hillary supporters. It is founded by Maggie Williams, Hillary’s indefatigable campaign manager. From the site:

    The goal of this website is to create a place where Democrats that feel the DNC and media have acted in bad faith towards the American people can gather to organize, share insights and have their voices be heard. The Superdelates are watching…make sure they hear you too!

  144. Seriously – given that story about the DNC arm-twisting delegates to shut her down from going to convention, I almost feel like there is truth to this conspiracy – they just want the Clintons out of the White House and they are willing to lose in order to do it.

    I do not know what to think anymore, but we need to clean the DNC out of its current leadership because Bill Clinton and the giants he gave to this world – Hillary Clinton, Al Gore – have been the best leaders we’ve had since JFK/LBJ.

  145. I have to admit that after being here from nearly the start of Hillary’s campaign, I came to believe this site was a little too harsh and strident. So, I was spending most of my blogging time the past couple of months over at TM.

    Ha! Now I know why I’m back, Admin was right all along. Obama is a sham and so is the democratic leadership. This is war, and Obama and his Chicago thugs need to be fought fire with fire. Sorry that Hillary found this out a little too late. But who knows, or maybe she knows more than us, waiting in the wings is Obama self-destructing over the next three months. And, actually, it may happen quicker with Hillary on the sidelines, his hubris, immaturity, and over confidence will shine all that more brightly for the repubs and even maybe the MSM.

    Cases in point just today,

    http://tinyurl.com/57ykr8
    http://tinyurl.com/4p657l

    What a poser.

  146. There is a great YouTube video .. We’ll Be Waiting For You .. I can’t get it to link .. stupid computer.

    It’s a saver and bring a hanky.

    ALSO, Dick Morris also saying that Obama comes from a CessPool LOL…

    Also, Hannity mentioned THE TAPE and say’s “we’ll see what happens”

    It is getting ready to drop.

    They know that tape is out there and they are trying EVERYTHING to get Hillary to give up her delegates and say okay I’m done.

    The more I watch tonight .. they know something.

  147. Holy Cow! Not that slimey Dick Morris again on Hannity. How long to you think it takes for them to dig him out of the sewer he lives in, clean him up, get the toes out of his mouth, put some ill fitting clothes on him and prop him up on a chair to spew his venon.

    Gee Whiz!

  148. At no time in the history of the Democratic party has a nominee so close in votes been strongarmed out of a race before the nominating convention. Going to the convention is a right that every candidate has whether they have a million votes or 18 million. We are incensed that party insiders are tampering with the process, with the overt help of a biased media, to shut down the process and nominate a candidate before the convention. Superdelegate endorsements are only valid at the convention.

  149. Count the Votes

    You know that Al Gore will endorse Obama, right.

    There are a lot of people that should have supported them. They talk about women being jealous. The Gray hair old men (one dyed) of the Democratic Party are the most jealous group of individuals I have ever seen.

    The best years of our lives were under BC, and we need 8 more. None of them did what was best for the country, they did what was best for them.

    Thank God George Washington, and the other signers of the Declaration of Independance were not such selfish people. I wonder what their thinking looking down on us now.

  150. dot48, Hillary’s get together tonight, maybe its a sit down barack i have a videotape to show you type meeting.

    Lol, i can dream can’t i.

  151. I think we ought to write to Fox about dick morris. that is so out of line. he promotes his website. he is spoken of as a former clinton advisor. he got fired for godssake for reasons we all know

  152. Carole Simpson sums it up quiet nicely on CNN tonight: The VP slot isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit.

    Step away from those losers Hillary.

    It is being reported that Clinton/Obama meeting tonight .. I hope she gets her debts paid and tells the party to FUCK OFF.

    I’m so sick of this shit..they can’t give her a day or so to at least decompress.

    I thought Waffles said he didn’t mind waiting .. more pressure fromm the party onto her.

    I hate that bunch.

  153. your right molly..write them fox hounds..i do all the time i worte em agian tonight hillary hovering .from goos ole spit drool morris.i said what kinda of sh@@ is that in journalism

  154. LOL, Gallup poll done June 4 only has Waffles tied with McCain but leading McCain by 5 if HRC is VP.

  155. it would be just lovely..
    after all bill might have had that at the library of his he was there with bill cosby..dot48, Hillary’s get together tonight, maybe its a sit down barack i have a videotape to show you type meeting.

    Lol, i can dream can’t i…me i m dreamin

  156. It is IMPERATIVE that if you are polled that you go to McCain. Wexler and a few other numbnuts think that we’ll still just follow. Wexler still pushing right to choose. They don’t get it ..

  157. CountTheVotes Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Seriously – given that story about the DNC arm-twisting delegates to shut her down from going to convention, I almost feel like there is truth to this conspiracy – they just want the Clintons out of the White House and they are willing to lose in order to do it.

    **********************************************************
    DING DING DING!! we have a winner folks!
    i will take it even further than you……. what if! what if the DNC is taken over or created by wolves in sheeps clothing?? wolves= GOP or corporate elites??? it’s all a big fabricated lie to the people….. clintons are their enemy, jon edwards was their enemy, why wasn’t oobama??? he touted populist rhetoric too…..makes you wonder
    what if they have been the DNC for all these years to ensure that their guy wins? crazy?? after this year i am not so sure

  158. also, the media is still trying to push that it’s just WOMEN who support Hillary. She pulled tons of men and young men and young women .. not just older women.

    they make me sick

  159. dot …… you have a brilliant mind!! 😀

    I would BET $$$ she has big stuff on him and will play the political game with him behind closed doors

    GO HILLARY!!!

  160. Today, BHO strong-armed or pulled Lieberman aside, after the meeting today. I wonder, if BHO is going to try to strong arm Hillary? Lieberman put out that letter today, welcoming democrats to McCain.

  161. There are more women than men, so they should remember that. Many millions of men, also support Hillary. Some how, they leave that fact out.

  162. I wonder, if BHO is going to try to strong arm Hillary?

    Please do, Bambi! Please please please push our girl RIGHT into running Indie! 😉

  163. I did not realize that Liberman sent us a welcoming letter! LOL!! Little Bambi is scared of us little ole women? Ha ha ha ha!

  164. hes a big hurry this week that bo..i bet he called her…hes getting alittle to fast for his britches..she will mindset him..lol

  165. so the Rev Wright is NOT retiring!!! It was once again a sham that he retired…just a political move.

    Oliver North setting up the segway into Rev Wright once again.

  166. not sure cofloyed where but they kept it top secret. big media is outside hillary’s dc home camped out. they are maybe in a undisclosed location.

  167. yep dot

    obama left the church so now wright can go back…………what a sham! of course we all knew that all along

  168. dot.. did her homework she knows his trickery..we all should know it how he works and be one step ahead boy im learning lotts lol

  169. terrondt, The media is camped out at hillary’s. I thought according to Oberman she was irrelavent now? So why are they at her house? LOL!!

  170. Some how the leadership of the Dems feel that if they say it, it is so. (We know how they have bulled the SDs).

    So when they say the little old ladies will be coming back, how do you think they are planning to bully us?

    Just asking.

  171. NARAL endorsed him to get his donor list .. how sad and how telling. Oliver North pointed out they DNC wants his donors .. haha. they are willing to get him for his $ men and fuck the country.

  172. If it’s Movie Night at Hillary’s house, I hope there’s some Secret Service guy in the closet, filming Waffles’ reaction!

    Seriously, though, Bill Clinton is a former President of the United States. He ought to be able to get his hands on the freakin’ tape just by making a few well-placed phone calls.

    However, if the Clintons do have the tape or if they get the tape sometime soon, I think they should hold back and play nice until it gets nearer to the convention. They need enough time for the tape to get out so that EVERYBODY sees it, but they can’t give Waffles room to wiggle out of it the way he does with everything else. (“This is not the Michelle Obama that I knew. I had no idea she held such views. But I don’t think it’s fair for you to attack ME. I am the candidate here. She’s just my wife. Other than having two kids together, I hardly know the woman.”) The Clintons also cannot and will not release the tape themselves. They have to get it out there via a third party.

  173. ADMIN…just checking in for a quickie…but want to say…’Thank God you are still here…and thank goodness for your fighting spirit’ I love you!

    …will be back to fight the good fight one day at a time…

  174. Here is the letter from Lieberman:

    SIGN UP HRC Supporters CITIZENS FOR McCain!!!!!!!!! To: Fellow McCain Supporters From: Senator Joe Lieberman Date: June 5th, 2008 Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, “Citizens for McCain.” Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship. As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party’s nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney. But first and foremost, I am an American. I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain’s character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President. I have worked with John McCain for many years in the U.S. Senate and know from experience that he can unite Democrats, Republicans and Independents like no one else in this country. He did it in the United States Senate and he can do it as President of the United States. But we need help from McCain supporters such as you to reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization? I am confident we will find many Democrats and Independents who, like John McCain and me, put country before political party and will support a leader with a real record of bipartisanship. Time and time again John McCain has put his country first. He refused early release when he was held captive in Vietnam. He continued to put his country first as a national leader in the U.S. Senate. He put country before party when he fought to pass campaign finance reform, sought a bi-partisan solution to the immigration problem, and consistently supported pro-environment policies. His courage to stand up to the failed Iraq war plan of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and lead the fight for a new strategy in Iraq will go down in history, and it saved American lives. These were not always the easy things to do. In fact, they were usually very difficult, and often threatened his political career. But John McCain did what was right. He said it best in his speech in New Orleans on Tuesday night: “(The American people) know I have a long record of bipartisan problem solving. They’ve seen me put our country before any President — before any party — before any special interest — before my own interest. They might think me an imperfect servant of our country, which I surely am. But I am her servant first, last and always.” The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times. Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton. Senator McCain has had a very good working relationship with Senator Clinton and will continue to do so in the future. In the same New Orleans speech he said: “Senator Clinton has earned great respect for her tenacity and courage. The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans, and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received. As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach. I am proud to call her my friend.” I am proud to call John McCain my friend and ask you to help our friend become the next President of the United States. Please forward this email to your lists today and ask your friends, family, and coworkers who do not consider themselves Republicans to join me in filling out the Citizens for McCain form today. Thank you for your willingness to help me expand this new organization. Together, we will make history.

  175. Holy cow! Joe’s gone over the edge! LMAO!!!!

    (and I think I’ll be a good lemming and follow him blindly) 😉

  176. Idunn, That was just too funny about the silver, he is afterall a thief. We have had one thief for a President, I guess the DNC got jealous and found themselves a thief to put in themselves. The DNC must keep up with the RNC.

  177. So they say WE WILL GET OVER IT.

    Has any one here gotten over the stolen election of 2000?

    We could do nothing then, but we can sure do something now. They should put out a poll on how many have gotten over the 2000 election. It might be very telling.

  178. That was just too funny about the silver, he is afterall a thief

    Yeah, you don’t want to play mumblety peg with him…he’ll steal your leg. 😉

  179. OK troops, while we are all huddled here at Valley Forge, I think we should put our heads together and make a list of what we’re doing, what else we can do, and what we should not do:

    I’ll start with some basic stuff…

    1. No $$$$ for the DNC. If they ask for donations, tell them exactly why they won’t be getting their hands on your money.

    2. No $$$$ for “women’s” organizations like NARAL that are supporting Bambi. Again, when they ask for $$$, let them know exactly why you’re not giving them any.

    3. No $$$$ or votes for candidates who support Bambi. We’ve got to get these thieves OUT of the Democratic Party!

    4. Send supportive letters, donations, etc. to politicians who are still on our side or to anyone, anywhere who has the integrity to question the RBC’s Michigan decision.

    5. Circulate campaign ads and news stories that attack Bambi. If The Tape ever comes out, hold a private screening at your home with about 400 of your closest friends.

    6. When the pollsters call, tell them you are a Hillary supporter who will vote for McCain.

    7. Don’t bother posting in the Bambi blogs. Those people are not worth our time and effort.

    I’m sure most of us are already doing most of these things, but if anyone has any bright ideas, please add to this list or make one of your own.

  180. Have you heard of the myth of Cassandra? She was cursed with the ability to see the future but could not get anyone to believe her, until it was too late. When I look at obama all the warning bells and whistles go off. It is a psychic reaction I know but I trust it implicitly. This dizzy teleprompter driven rookie with all his shady connections is not what we need as president. He will bring us a thousand misfortunes. That the democratic party would care so little for the American people as to put forward an empty suit like this guy with all his underworld connections over the greatest political leader of our time because of her gender–and make no mistake that is the reason–is good and sufficient
    cause to leave and never look back.

  181. Jen, I love your list. Especially #4. We are working with the Michigan folks regarding their votes.

    They already stole ours, but we are not finished here yet either.

    That BETTER be one of HRC’s DEMANDS of BO…COUNT THE VOTES

  182. damm tornados; back to the storm cellar til whenever sirens blow again.

    sorry about your storms in DC and VA last night…we here in flyover land know how it feels.

    If not back in 36 hours, call the cops in S. Iowa.

    Will need your help finding Pete Hamill reading his letter to RFK on NPR Fresh Air yesterday…so appro to Hillary’s reasons for making the run, and read so heartfeltly.

    I don’t know how to make an audio clip, or transcription of same but it is what I want to post here and then send to our girl w/ another whatever i can campaign donation.

    Got to go. My neighbor is getting scared.

  183. Although I did like the line about “Michelle? Well…that is not the Michelle I know”

  184. Jen, I’ve done everything on your list except #5. But if we ever DO get our hands on that tape, I might rent the drive-in theater down the road for a private screening. 😉

  185. Pew Research Poll:

    Over the course of the primary campaign season greater numbers heard about controversies associated with Barack Obama than heard about other campaign events. Nonetheless, far more Americans believe that the press coverage has favored Barack Obama than think it has favored Hillary Clinton.

    Nearly four-in-ten (37%) say that in covering the Democratic race, news organizations have been biased toward Obama while just 8% say they have been biased toward Clinton; 40% say news organizations have shown no bias in their coverage. Substantial minorities of Republicans (45%) and independents (40%) say the press has been biased toward Obama; somewhat fewer Democrats (35%) see a pro-Obama bias.

  186. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    YEEEHAWWWW!!!

    Diane Finestein is arm wrestling for Hillary

    More, please. Arm wrestling for what?

    Idunn: Great to have you back. LOL about the silver.

  187. FOX reporting HRC & BO at DF’s for “discussions”

    DF is HRC’s BIGGEST supporter and OWNS California

  188. Another idea for the list:

    8. Since our own media is corrupt, let’s try to find foreign news outlets who are willing to air the Dems’ dirty laundry in front of an international audience. Seriously, it may take international pressure or embarrassment to shake the Dems back to reality. They won’t listen to us, but I’m sure many of them care about how they look to the rest of the world.

  189. The reporters are apoplectic because they can’t figure out how HRC left her DC house without them seeing her

    HA!

  190. Per Atlantic (Marc Ambinder)

    To the George Washington University College Republicans Chairman, Brand Kroeger
    Greetings,

    My name is Daniel Boehmer and I am a member of the College Democrats here at George Washington University. I additionally served as a member of Nicole Capp’s cabinet as Assistant VPJLA to Andrew Salzman and on the Joint Elections Committee (JEC) this past year. A long time supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton these past 16 months of her campaign, the selection of Sen. Obama has placed me, like many other Democrats, in an odd position. For me however, the debate between ‘loyalty’ to my party and voting based on my conscience was quickly settled. I determined that my support would, in lieu of Sen. Clinton’s nomination to the Democratic Party, be given to Sen. John McCain. In light of this development, I believe that the GW College Republicans community finds itself with a certain measure of responsibility with regards to the members of the Democratic Party who wish to support John McCain in the Fall. Providing these individuals with some form of organizational support, in my opinion, is a valuable step towards weakening the sway of Sen. Obama’s supporters on campus and would ultimately lead to John McCain seeing more support on campus and in the Washington community at large.

    First, let me say that I regret to admit that I myself will be unable to actively participate in such a venture as much as I would like, as a result of the fact that I will be studying abroad in the Middle East this summer and this coming fall semester. With this in mind, these words come more as a suggestion than a pledge of an ability to participate at GW in this effort, though I certainly know of individuals more able to help coordinate this effort.

    I suggest that either 1) under the auspices of the CRs or 2) by means of the formation of a separate student organization “GW Democrats for McCain” or 3) under the auspices of the organization “GW Students for McCain” the CRs orchestrate the creation of a Democrats for McCain chapter at GWU. Such an action, I believe, is perfectly justified this year because of the large number of supporters of Hillary Clinton who should be compelled to vote for John McCain over her underqualified former opponent, Sen. Obama. It is of course up to the discretion of the CRs which action they might want to take on this matter; however, I highly recommend providing a means for Democrats at GW to support John McCain as a candidate in the Fall. I myself would certainly encourage many of my fellow Hillary Clinton supporters to do the same.

    Although I do not have the ability myself to be fully responsible for such an organization, I still felt the need to put forward my recommendation that it be created. Whatever course of action you may take in further John McCain’s candidacy this fall, I wish you success.

    Good Luck in November,

    Daniel A. Boehmer

  191. Norma: The reporters are apoplectic because they can’t figure out how HRC left her DC house without them seeing her

    ROFL! Haven’t they learned, that Hillary is very talented?

  192. I will work twice as hard against an Obama/Clinton ticket as against Obama/anybody.

    I fear Hillary is just noble enough to sacrifice her own interests to prop up that turkey. I don’t want to see her prop him into winning so she gets to iron his shirts for the remaining 8 years of her active political life. She’s 60. She doesn’t have 8 years to waste.

    Regardless of what she does, I’ll work and vote for McCain to make Obama the McGovern of 2008, and hopefully discredit the whole DNC faction that stole the nominatin for him. But for him to force Hillary into slavery for ‘unity’ is such a nasty thought that it will give me twice as much energy to defeat him.

  193. LOL…. thanks for posting all the news guys….. being in iowa i have not been able to be totally here tonight or on msm
    to see hannity etc……..so am hoping to catch the reruns later as i am sure i will be up most of the night tonight

    emmy and hawk………. my fellow iowans hope all is well in your areas tonight!

    my thoughts are with you guys!

  194. confloyd…Greta was reporting it. I am proud to say that I no longer have to even flip PAST MSNBC on my television. I returned my cable box and am saving $25.00 a month as a reward. I still have cable, but in a direct line from the wall. Chris and Keith take a BOX for me to see them. I saw no reason to pay for that. They are HARDLY “premium”

  195. Okie atty……. things look the worst in your state tonight………..please stay safe!!!

    and let us know how you are if you can!

  196. unity ticket

    so long as Obama is on that ticket, the phrase is an oxymoron in my book. I don’t care if Jesus Christ himself is put in the vp slot. I’m NOT uniting shit behind that weasle, Bambi.

  197. That’s right Norma, Tweety and Oberman are not worth $25 a month. LOL!! I need to call my satellite co and see if am paying for Tweety bird!

  198. norma……. i can just see hillary incognito with dark sunglasses and laying down in the back seat as to not be seen LOL

  199. I think she (HRC) would rather stick to to Pelosi than BO. Feinstein on the ticket would do that! I would laugh all the way to the McCain HQ..although, with DF as a Veep, at least we would know that “mother was watching the store”

  200. We need to e-mail everyone and make them believe we all will feel better if Nasty is one the ticket. Then when we get her on there we can defeat both of the with one vote. Kind a like a half a vote for each to knock them out!

  201. Also, if you have not heard, The Good Reverend Wright has decided he really doesn’t want to retire! He isn’t giving full duties to Moss! The hits just keep on comin!

  202. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
    It’s really funny…apparently she has snuck BACK HOME!!!

    Seriously? ROFL! Those SS guys must be good. Thank God! If they couldn’t get by the US media, then they wouldn’t be worth much. How funny.

  203. I went to dinner last night with a friend who is a former Time Warner executive who is now on dyalisis and another friend who is a Japanese buddhist monk for whom I have done legal work in the past. Both of them are clear thinkers and their ethical standards are above reproach (which makes me wonder why they have anything to do with me–they must love sinners).

    In any event, at some point in the evening the subject turned to the election. I should mention that both of them love Hillary. Both of them are calm meditative people who have managed to master their emotions to a degree I ever will.
    But they both affirmed to me that the way Hillary was treated by the Democratic Party is terrible. They both agree that gender was part of the reason and the other part was the Clinton name.

    I decided not to ask them whether they agreed with me that a grinning Clarie McCassil looks like a possum eating shit out of a hair brush for fear that would have been pushing the envelope.

  204. My goal the next few months besides making sure Obama loses is defeating some of his key supporters who endorsed and campaigned for him even though their districts and states went to Hillary.

    Patrick Murphy has an opponent that should defeat him easily in the PA 8th. Tom Manion, a retired Marine and father of a soldier that died in Iraq.
    His website:
    //votemanion.stream-data.com/

    Loud mouth Wexler has an opponent who could not fight the stacked system in the democratic party primary, so before the primary dropped out to run against Wexler as an Indy in November. Ben Graber has been in Florida state legistlature and county commisioner for 20 years. He is the son of Holocaust survivors which should help him with the districts large Jewish community. His website:
    http://www.graberforcongress.com/index.php

  205. My goal the next few months besides making sure Obama loses is defeating some of his key supporters who endorsed and campaigned for him even though their districts and states went to hillary.

    Patrick Murphy has an opponent that should defeat him in the PA 8th. Tom Manion, a retired Marine and father of a soldier that died in Iraq.
    His website:
    votemanion.stream-data.com/

    Loud mouth Wexler has an opponent who could not fight the stacked system in the democratic party primary, so before the primary dropped out to run against Wexler as an Indy in November. Ben Graber has been in Florida state legistlature and county commisioner for 20 years. He is the son of Holocaust survivors which should help him with the districts large Jewish community. His website:
    http://www.graberforcongress.com/index.php

  206. Oh really, maybe they teleported her over to BO

    More proof that Bambi is an extraterrestrial. 😉

  207. wbboei

    “that a grinning Clarie McCassil looks like a possum eating shit out of a hair brush ”

    ROFLMAO!

    I almost choked on my ice cream!

  208. it seems she left in a mini van “against protocol” (HA!) and then came back in with a big gang of Secret Service….but no one saw HER

  209. Posted on June 5th, 2008 by GeekLove08
    I posted this on my blog today and wanted to spread to news to others:

    Saw this idea first at Hireheels.com and it has subsequently picked up steam at the Hillary Clinton Forum.

    If you are tired of the sexism and misogyny in American politics, let’s start organizing to meet in Denver.

    Send me your thoughts on how to get this accomplished. We will need permits, housing, publicity. Maybe Now or Women Count PAC can take the lead?

  210. BHO is the nominee . however the media is still talking about hillary which shows hillary is really something.

  211. norma…….. I am only a 3 transplant in iowa and i am moving to SD in a month

    so i pray he keeps it away from my corner of the state 😀

  212. Me, too, Norma Desmond! This place is rockin’ tonight. I haven’t laughed this much in a while.

  213. tiberones and others,

    Pls don’t fall for this idea that putting Hillary on an Obama/Hillary ticket would be good! They just want to keep her out of real action, keep her unable to run on her own in future!

  214. skmf, i am sure we will be organizing a denver trip as well. Wbboei has my email, get it from him and write. I am sure we can coordinate something. Although OUR issue will be the votes.

  215. It’s so funny, Candy Crowley now saying they are at her house! LOL. NO ONE REALLY KNOWS so as usual, they MAKE UP SHI*

  216. meiyingsu…you are SO right. If she packed up a bag and moved to MARS they would still be wanting to know what she was going to do next. They are SUCH WHORES.

  217. June 5th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    LOL on Hillary giving the press the slip not once, but twice on the same night!!! Damn, she’s good!!!
    damn smart and talented as heck..
    she got these media pundits in a tithered..HA
    shes very damn good..madame president knows how to play games too.she will always be ahead
    in my world.

  218. Obama aide says meeting was not at her house but won’t say where. Love the intrigue, lol.

    news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080606/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_clinton_dc

  219. I just LOVE these people. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE HECK ANYONE is saying/doing or even WHERE THEY ARE…yet they are getting paid HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Dollars just to GOSSIP

    I have got to say I hate most of the US media. And I was interviewed in Tampa a week or so ago and I started by blasting them, Needless to say, THAT PART was not aired! LOL!

  220. The press should be disappointed they anointed the wrong candidate – because the better, more interesting drama for the news would surround our gal- imagine the intrigue of having our Madame President slipping past the press or spies or terrorists – now those are good storylines.

  221. I think I would sooner be a piano player in a whore house than a member of the NBC/MSNBC press corp because there is some honor in that and there is nothing in the job description that says you must lie everytime you open you mouth.

  222. BO had a CNN Candy Crowly interview earlier today and he DID NOT LOOK AT HER in the eyes when he answered…kept looking down to the left

  223. Norma Desmond, I think BHO is still very afraid of Hillary because she is not out yet. they want her completely out but hillary just suspend her campaign. anything could happen in the whole summer. SDs could still change mind. Greta in foxnews said hillary has a upper hand in the meeting because of the 18 millions voters.

  224. carby,

    right. I hope we can take him down before August so Hillary will get the nomination. But if not, the silver lining is that he will be the McGovern of 2008, so discredited that he will be out permanently, and his Brazile/Pelosi faction with him!

    If Hillary does get the nomination this time, BO can whine forever and come back in 2012 in better sheep’s clothing and do more damage.

    It’s too bad he and these other snakes have been lurking in the DNC, but now they’re coming out in the open and we can get rid of them. Then when we run a real Democrat (Hillary or some other real one), he/she won’t have to deal with these internal backstabbers.

  225. The Secret Service is good tonight. LOL.

    wwboei: loved the possum statement. so true, and one that I hadn’t heard before.

  226. Hmm. Defensive. Very…

    Obama denies a rumor and questions the question

    Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday batted down rumors circulating on the Internet and mentioned on some cable news shows of the existence of a video of his wife using a derogatory term for white people, and criticized a reporter for asking him about the rumor, which has not a shred of evidence to support it.

    “We have seen this before. There is dirt and lies that are circulated in e-mails and they pump them out long enough until finally you, a mainstream reporter, asks me about it,” Obama said to the McClatchy reporter during a press conference aboard his campaign plane. “That gives legs to the story. If somebody has evidence that myself or Michelle or anybody has said something inappropriate, let them do it.”

    Asked whether he knew it not to be true, Obama said he had answered the question.

    “Frankly, my hope is people don’t play this game,” Obama said. “It is a destructive aspect of our politics. Simply because something appears in an e-mail, that should lend it no more credence than if you heard it on the corner. Presumably the job of the press is to not to go around and spread scurrilous rumors like this until there is actually anything, an iota, of substance or evidence that would substantiate it.”

  227. I am going to puke….Donna Brazille “Obama will champion the cause of those who VOTED for HRC”

    that is, unless she wanted to COUNT those votes…..

  228. Blue: I read that earlier, that last paragraph, is so hypocritical. If the subject, was not his wife, but Hillary, he would be singing a different tune. His politics are as old, as they come. All the press does, is spread scurrilous rumors. That is what, they are getting paid for. This guy is slime, personified.

  229. wbboei Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
    I think I would sooner be a piano player in a whore house than a member of the NBC/MSNBC press corp
    &&&&&

    Stop! My monitor can’t take any more soda spitting out of my mouth! You are on a roll tonite!

  230. Didn’t see this attached to ButtBoy Ben Smith’s story.
    basically he links to an analysis which slams LJ.
    Translation: It’s Hillary’s Fault!

    DUH.

    “NOTE: Obama’s clearly right that this is how stories for which there’s no evidence at all make it into the public eye. So I’m not linking or detailing the rumor, since there’s just zero credible evidence for it. This is probably a silly old media vestige, of course; Google has no such standards. And Obama’s discussion of it is, more broadly, news: As he acknowledged yesterday, beating back whisper campaigns is perhaps the central challenge his campaign faces.

    ALSO: Reason’s David Weigel examines the original source of the rumor and finds that he can’t keep his story straight. (And yes, I’m now linking something that links the original. It’s such an effective challenge to it that it seemed worth the cost.)

  231. Norma: I don’t think, any of Hillary supporters are going to buy anything that DB and BHO are selling. They are rotten to core, and everyone knows it. BHO flips, and doesn’t mean anything, I mean anything, that he says. He is only a champion for himself.

  232. These folks are SO SCREWY!!!

    They keep saying “the frenzy of the VP situation” the “Spinning out of control of this issue”

    Well…WHO THE HELL has SPUN IT OUT OF CONTROL?!?!?!?!

    The stupid Press!

    (David Gergan is getting Chris Matthews tingle syndrome)

  233. Norma Desmond Says:
    “it seems she left in a mini van “against protocol” (HA!) and then came back in with a big gang of Secret Service….but no one saw HER”
    ****
    This whole thing would make such a funny 1920s style silent comedy!

    I’m off to bed now. Gotta get up early tomorrow. Take care, y’all!

  234. “Obama will champion the cause of those who VOTED for HRC”

    Really? ‘Cause intolerance, arrogance, lying, cheating, and stealing aren’t MY causes. Thanks, but no thanks.

  235. peeking in on Taylor Marsh, thought this was funny:

    Obama is over at Hill’s trying to bribe the “whitey” tape away from her. She refuses to comply:)
    antifish | 06.05.2008 – 11:10 pm | #

  236. dija,

    If we do protests we have to also do our own news coverage and documentation. The media will not cover a protest honestly. Either they ignore it, or they lie about it.

    We need to make good videos of every step: like, a distance shot of how many buses are lined up to be filled, then all those buses parked just outside the target town and our people filling the Park and Ride, then shots from a tall building showing just how far round the block the line stratche, etc etc. We need to make our own youtube videos of all this. It needs to show how much money it all costs: show receipts from the bus company etc. Show local neutral people talking about the size of the crowd; bus drivers or the bus company dispatcher talking about it.

    Greenpeace used to do good videos of themselves proceeding with their projects: we need to do the same.

    What I think would be better, is to set up a donation fund that will go to Hillary if she is noninated, otherwise to McCain. Keep good records of how many people donated and the amounts.

    In the meantime, make CafePress ‘gear’ that says “Hillary OR McCain” and similar slogans, and keep good records of how many of each item are sold.

    I’ve got a little ‘shop’ at h t t p : / / http://www.cafepress.com/hillaryormccain but I wish a lot of other people would set up their own, so I don’t feel like I’m advertising when I talk about it. Then we could talk about them all together, list them all at one web page, one url that would link to them all.

  237. Yeah, Donna I hear you that he is going to champion the causes of Hillary’s supporter’s. Just how is he going to do that Donna because now these voters beling the John McCain’s!

  238. Night Jen.

    SO TRUE Idunn.

    I was in DC at the meeting when the RBC came back from their back-room deal. What a farce.

    If you want to see a GREAT speech, go look up Arthenia Joyner on YouTube. She was GREAT. II wasn’t in there then, but afterwards.

  239. Looks like more than Houdini tricks going on today/tonight in D.C. Check out the Larry Sinclair website. His most recent heading LS – BO – A”T”R??? mentions politics making “strange bedfellows,” and again the “one guy” as being a joke. Implication is relationship with Rezko as well. Impression is that lots of info being uncovered about why many Chicago males with past BO relationships fearul following execution-style murders within 40 days of one another – Larry Bland/ Donald Young/ Nate Spencer – all openly gay AA men at TUCC beginning on Nov. 17, 2007. Young, the popular choir director at TUCC, had been contacting Sinclair via telephone on phone numbers Sinclair had only furnished to BHO camp only. Wright’s name also mentioned as being involved. Looks like VERY large circle of “close” associations in every sense of the word. Story gaining traction, and SInclair finally being taken seriously.

    Between what Levine knows/witnessed and Rezko asking to be takien into custody…sounds like a chorus may be singing soon…speaking of “Sopranos”…

  240. DB: Obama will champion the cause of those who VOTED for HRC”

    I thought, BHO did not need the supporters of Hillary??

  241. Psymac Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Hello everybody! I’m back after spending some time over at TM. I see some friends from TM here as well, seems like this is a more supportive site of our frustration with BO and the dem leadership.
    =========================

    Lots of TM peoiple are also gathering at riverdaughter/confluence and at a new site,
    h t t p : / / camille424.wordpress.com which is sort of a cosy support group like the discussions at TM used to be.

  242. The DNC has been like a bad date you go on twice. I was a Dem from Carter, the first time I could vote. Then, in 2000, after the Florida debacle, I became disgusted with ALL the parties. Left the DNC and went Indie. Re-registered as a Dem for THIS Primary in Florida because it was SO IMPORTANT TO VOTE!

    See what THAT got me?

    Back to being indie. But I have met some GREAT people!

  243. I think it’s funny that this is supposed to be BO’s great coronation week, and all the MSM talk about is
    ‘What is Hillary going to say Friday — no, wait, big breaking news, HIllary changes her talk to Saturday!!! What did she say, what did every word mean? If she’s offered X will she take it, what will she want…?”

    She’s not even talking this week, but BO is stil being upstaged by her.

    Need a cartoon of him being ignored while she looks smug in her Maidenform bra and all the MSM are saying “Does she … or doesn’t she?”

    LOL!

  244. Is DB waiting for HRC to concede FULLY before she endorses BO? Why do they call her “undecided”?

  245. Freaky is the word for sure. I mean, where there’s THIS much smoke, there has to be some smoldering fires burning. Donald Young’s family now indicating they believe BHO and Wright involved in murder. I go to his website more often now. Like Hillary, he won’t go away either. Couple of weeks back – had to really gasp at picture and actions conveyed in picture of Reggie Love, BHO “assistant.” Talk about an education. Teabagging? And MO has the nerve to say to group of women in PUBLIC setting (about Hillary) “If she can’t take care of her own house, how can she take care of the White House?” Well, let’s just say -that sentence has taken on a whole new meaning since she uttered those crass remarks now, MO. Is she really THAT gullible and clueless, or in major denial? Like they say…this thing just keeps getting “weirder and weirder.”

  246. Norma…DB is probably too chicken-shit. If she remains “undecided” then she doesn’t get caught like all these others when NObama goes down. “Who me? I ALWAYS was really for Hillary”

  247. NOW Brazile is talking about the Credentials Committee and that “they may restore all the votes..” (NOW it’s negotiable!)

    ????????

    WTF?!?!?!?!

  248. Curiosity,
    U wanna see some smoke, check out Pastor Manning’s vids. he goes off on these very subjects, though his last one was disappointing in that he couldn’t reveal what he knows for some unintelligible reason.
    But some of them are hysterical.

  249. “Is DB waiting for HRC to concede FULLY before she endorses BO? Why do they call her “undecided”?

    Because they’re a bunch of lying bitches and so is she.

  250. LOL!!! Great reported an HOUR AGO the meeting was at Dine F’s house…now CNN reporting that they JUST LEARNED it was somewhere else….but undisclosed….

    and David Gergen waxes about the “scene” that must be going on in the living room…that he did the same thing years ago….he described the feeling, the demeanor….

    LMAO!!! They are MAKING SHI* UP!

    (Ampersand Cooper says “The NYT reported it”)

  251. I’m not touching Larry Sinclair or his bizarre rumors with a 10 foot pole. The truth about Obama is scary enough…no need to make shit up.

  252. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
    NOW Brazile is talking about the Credentials Committee and that “they may restore all the votes..” (NOW it’s negotiable!)

    Seating them, after the presumptive nominee is chosen? They have always discussed seating the delegations at the convention. They just didn’t want the delegates to count in the determination of the nominee. At least, that is what, I understood. Is that wrong?

  253. Norma Desmond wrote: See what THAT got me?

    Thank you Norma for joining us even if it was just for a short time. I remain confident that the FL delegation will be restored and that your vote will be counted in full. I’m not clear on exactly how it will happen, but I have faith that it will.

    Regardless, we have the pleasure of counting you among our friends here at Big Pink, and you really seem fired up and awake, and that’s what our country needs right now.

    Our “system” is flawed and slow but it is effective. It takes alot for our politicians to wake the sleeping giant that is the will of the People, but once we’re awake, we have the power to get things done. We will get through this because we have to.

    The truly disturbing thing about what has happened to the Democratic Party as has been exposed by this primary season, is not that they adopted Republican tactics, but that they used those tactics exclusively for personal gain and not for the benefit of the People. I would have been content to go back to sleep and let my representatives get rich off of politics as long as they didn’t mess, too much, with my rights and freedoms. Hillary could have (and I still believe, will) restore order, like Bill was able to after the Reagan/Bush I years. I don’t care that he made money from being a former President because his tenure as President resulted in my having an easier time of things. I don’t believe that Obama wants to do that. In fact, I think he wants to be Bush III and that’s bad for me and the country. McCain for all his faults, at least, won’t make things worse. I can get through four years of his Presidency, I don’t think the country will survive an Obama Presidency.

  254. Idunn…i am TOTALLY WITH YOU on that one!

    Bird, they always were going to seat them, but the Credentials Committee can overturn the RBC decisons, AND can sanction candidates who violated rules….like advertising in states where it was prohibited…and the ELECTION FRAUD perpetrated on Michigan by the DNC/RBC

    i am sure that is part of the negotiations.

    On that note, I need to go to bed!

  255. I’ve been gone for awhile…what? Who is supposedly meeting with whom? How do they know who is actually meeting?

    If it’s Hillary and BO, maybe he’s offering to pay all her campaign bills plus universal health care if she will just ride off into the sunset with Bill.

  256. MAX, thanks for the nice words. I am TOTALLY COMMITTED to seeing the Florida and the Michigan votes thing through. FDR will NOT be sidelined. The NY group in DC was GREAT. We really enjoyed working with everyone. There were 33 states represented in DC, and although the Press TRIED to spin it as “buses filled with Hillary supporters” the 130+ Obama supporters we had with us, and those for Edwards, Biden, Kucinich et al proved that MOST people are more concerned about DEMOCRACY than the PARTY. Except, of course, the elitists in the party.

    Time to gear up and vote out all those politicians who do not believe MY VOTE and YOUR VOTE should count…..

    we will show them just what value votes DO have…

  257. Obama and Clinton Meet in Washington

    By Jeff Zeleny (NYT)

    Updated, 11:47 p.m. | Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton held a private meeting tonight at her home on Whitehaven Street in Washington, a session initiated by Mrs. Clinton after a daylong series of talks between their aides.

    Mr. Obama, who was scheduled to fly back to Chicago tonight following a rally in northern Virginia, stayed behind in Washington to meet with his former rival. He shed his campaign plane — and the traveling press corps and entourage — to see Mrs. Clinton.

    Two senior Democratic officials familiar with the talks, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter, said Mrs. Clinton asked Mr. Obama to sit down tonight for a meeting.

    Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton instructed their aides not to disclose details of the meeting. They issued an unusual joint statement late Thursday, saying, “Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November.”

    Mrs. Clinton is planning to endorse Mr. Obama on Saturday at a farewell rally with her supporters in Washington. Mr. Obama is scheduled to be in Chicago that day.

  258. Look seriously at those folks in your towns, districts and states who DID NOT SUPPORT the rights of Florida and Michigan, AND who overturned this election of the POPULAR VOTE.

    Wasn’t it Brazile who said she would leave the Democratic Party if Super Delegates decided this election over the will of the people?

    I would like to see her keep HER word…play by her OWN rules!

  259. dija,

    I’m beginning to suspect something like that, going all the way back to Adlai Stevenson maybe. I saw a reference to how Stevenson got nominated for something by the Chicago Combine, some boss there saying they put him on to “perfume the ticket.”

    Chicago money, Kennedy and Chicago ties, Joseph Kennedy was a first generation tough man…. As elites, the Kennedys are nouveau riche.

    Look, we don’t have to look for an elaborate conspiracy planning several moves ahead. The money interests, like the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy of the impeachment, doesn’t have to operate in such a stiff, structured way. Just, if they see useful people, the nurture those people, get them into positions where they can cause trouble.

    Like Paula Jones, here’s Obama as a young puppet in Chicago, being useful to the bosses while masquerading as a ‘reformer’ or ‘community organizser.’ So they cultivate him, nurture him, make him a US Senator.

    Also they use media and books to make people hate the Clintons — then get MSM to hire and nurture people like Matthews who have been brainwashed to sincerely hate the Clintons. Find such crazies in the media and nurture them, like finding weeds in the garden to water.

    Also they watch for racist troublemakers like Brazile, help and nurture her, inside the DNC. Also contribute to Pelosi and Reid etc, help them rise in the Dem party. This is specially useful because Pelosi etc are too spineless to fight Bush.

    So then all these separate idiots they’ve got into positons of power, just do their own things….

    Maybe this is why the only Dems who got elected POTUS had to fight so hard for the nominations, and then TEd Kennedy tried to take out President CARter….

    It would be odd if the big money people HADn’t been doing this for decades….

  260. Well..we KNOW the meeting was NOT at her home, so that part is wrong already…FOX and CNN have both confirmed that

  261. “they were not authorized to discuss the matter, said Mrs. Clinton asked Mr. Obama to sit down tonight for a meeting.”

    Not authorized but TWICE the story is sure to mention it was at Hillary’s behest. Or was it? Two Democratic officials?

    None of those guys are on our side, right?

  262. birdgal wrote: NOW Brazile is talking about the Credentials Committee and that “they may restore all the votes..” (NOW it’s negotiable!)

    I don’t think they can do this because if they do the right thing then Hillary wins the pledged delegates. I posted this earier but it didn’t get any legs:

    From Riverdaughter:
    Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.

    Cutting the delegations in half resulted in a double hit to Hillary’s count. By reducing the number and by not counting the delegate. It’s complicated but the effect of not having to reach 2210, in essence, gives him about 90 extra delegates, in addidtion to the 59 given to him outright by gifting him the uncommitted delegates.

  263. Clinton describes journalists as people who “say anything without knowing anything.”

    Who knows who initiated this meeting, whether there were “pre-conditions” to this meeting. At this point, the journalists at NYT are the same as at The Enquirer.

  264. turndownobama-com Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
    tiberones and others,

    Pls don’t fall for this idea that putting Hillary on an Obama/Hillary ticket would be good! They just want to keep her out of real action, keep her unable to run on her own in future!
    ————————————————

    George Bernard Shaw once said “every profession is a conspiracy agains the laity” and I think there is alot of truth to that. The Democratic Party proved this was equally true with political parties when they raped the voters of Florida and Michigan and ultimately the American People in order to install their callow unqualified malleable candidate in lieu of the most qualified leader of our generation.

    But now they have made their bad decision party pragmatists (read Machiavellians) must contend with is the hemorating loss of steady reliable democratic voters caused by the unconscionable way they have treated Hillary. For the fact remains that she won 18 million voters and their continuing attrition poses a long term threat to the viablity of the party short term and long term regardless of what Godzilla says.

    Mary Matalan may be right when she says the DNC is willing to write off the White House, but they still have to worry about the down ticket races as the attrtion continues. In short, they need unity between the two factions or they will have big trouble. And since politics is the art of the possible, they need Hillary on the ticket. I believe the reason Bambi says he does not want to be rushed is because they want time to see if they can peel off her coalition they will come running to her in a panic.

    Can a slick tobaacco lawyer $400 haircut with rapid eye syndrome deliver working class democrats? Can 300 pounds of dirty laundry with a gotee deliver the hispanics? Can a 95 year old fomer klansman wish we had claude pepper bring back the seniors? Can Clarie McCaskil deliver the women if we could get her to stop eating possum-they are getting to be an endangered specie in her part of the ozarks? Well can they?

    I think they will want Hillary on the ticket regardless of what all the bambi people think. If so then she has great leverage to negotiate an effective role. And it could give her the platform she needs to do great good for the country and to make sure bambi gets the right advice.

    Given what has occurred I am in a thououghly destructive mood which will expire on December 1. I be damned if I would help these people under any circumstances. But it is her decision to make if they ask as I suspect they will.

  265. NYCMax,
    Sorry I missed that. it’s the smoking fucking gun. I knew it’d be real close if they did the right thing on FLA & MI, but …. DAMN!!!

  266. MAX, it IS challengeable. Especially Michigan. That was outright election fraud.

    NO WHERE in the “Rules” of the DNC does it say you can give ONE WINNERS DELEGATES to the loser. And as “Uncommitted” IS in the rule book, but there were other’s on the ballot (Dodd), there is NO WAY they can nor should have given ALL to him, PLUS some of hers.

    THAT WILL BE CHALLENGED (I hope to God). If it’s not, help us all. We may as well go back to George III and just polish up the crown.

    Night! See you later and, most likely, in denver.

  267. I just don’t want her to concede. It would betray all of the people who voted in the last races, this past month, who haven’t even gone to their state delegate conventions.

    It would be another form of disenfranchisement – as if these people never voted at all – or that instead of their real vote, it would be attributed to Obama.

    Since Alice Palmer, Obama has been schooled in some heavy-duty voter manipulation.

    Axelrod of Evil is my guess.

  268. How is it that Obama is now leading McCain? I am afraid that Bambi will beat McCain! I am scared to have this man as POTUS! Fox needs to play the darn tape!!!

  269. ADMIN, if you can, please let the last post go through (it had hypertext)

    but try and go to the florida demands representation site and look at the voter sentiment study on the home page. You can be sure the same change of numbers will apply nationally in the GE

    nite

  270. confloyd – they manipulate polls, Zogby be damned. every trick that we saw Bambi pull against Hillary, we will see again.

    Ageism, race card, Democrat for a Day, we will see that again but against McCain.

  271. Just yesterday, the media and Democrat-ick officials and Obama campaign staff were claiming that Barry Obama would draw between 25,000 and 50,000 to his “Old-Time Traveling Medicine Show” at the Nissan Pavillion in PWC today where he would hawk his modern day snake oil remedies. The Pavillion holds 25,000 for concerts and it was expected that nearly double that number would show up in a sea of humanity stretching far beyond the gates.

    Now, the WashPo is reporting that only about 10,000 people showed up, which given their propensity for fuzzy math favoring Democrats, means there were probably more on the order of about 7,500 to 8,000 people there. Even if they did reach 10,000, the place would have been more than half empty and only 1/5 the size of the crowd they had hoped for.

    Barry, meet reality. Welcome to Prince William County.

    UPDATE: Bearing Drift is calling this event a “bust” for Obama.

  272. The Obama campaign predicted 25,000 to kick-off the general election campaign here in Virginia; in fact, expectations reached as high as 50,000. Unfortunately, the cavernous Nissan Pavilion in Prince William drew less than 10,000 for the gentleman from Illinois; less than half the capacity and only 20% of expectations. Hardly the momentum the candidate probably wanted from the Old Dominion. Perhaps it has something to do with his policies.

  273. confloyd Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Gallup is different. See TM’s site. McCain 46 BHO 45

    Apparently, with Hillary on the ticket, the % increases for BHO.

    Zogby is biased towards BHO.

  274. I find it amusing how the Democrats and MSM pundits are all saying that Hillary supporters will fall into line behind Obama. They are in for a huge wakeup call in November.

  275. Probably not Bird, but this is where it CANNOT BE just about HRC. This is the democratic Process that is broken. I believe she knows that and will make it on point.

    Otherwise, we are all doomed whenever politicians and party leaders want to manipulate elections….like this one

    REALLY off to bed now!

    GO READ The sentiment sTUDY AT fL dEMAND rEP DOT ORG

  276. Norma Desmond Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 12:28 am
    Probably not Bird, but this is where it CANNOT BE just about HRC. This is the democratic Process that is broken. I believe she knows that and will make it on point.

    Yes, that is the truth. It has to be about democracy. If they get away with this time, they’ll pull it again.

  277. wwboei,

    I’m not sure the Dems opposed Hillary because of her gender. I think they USED sexism as a weapon, and let sincerely-sexist media people like Matthews carry the ball. But the media treated Gore just as badly in 2000, and a lot of people were after Bill Clinton from his Arkansas days.

    I think the big money and other shady interests have always been out to get ALL the Clinton admin people, BECAUSE the Clintons are effective and get things done for the people, which hits the moneybags in the pocket.

  278. turndownobama-com Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    we seem to be on the same page! 😉

    let’s add in that when BC was president, he took this country and turned it around to support the people
    elites were not happy
    so we get bush for 8 years elite are in bliss

    with carefully placed operatives in place inside the Dem party they control who is president. Clinton is absolutely their worst nightmare so hence they will take her out with a manchurian candidate a along with the elites $$$$$

  279. Selected, not elected.

    The reason the LS story doesn’t go to the forefront is because too many (well-meaning) HILLARY supporters buy into the Obama “rumor” brainwashing theory. If we just don’t “think about it,” will it go away? It’s up to us to get the story out to the public, not be part of the Obama shielding. It’s funny to me that so many want to compare BHO to RFK, yet Attorney General Bobby Kennedy was all about cleaning up crime, ESPECIALLY in cities like Chicago. Yeah, it’s disgusting. Murder, hit jobs and cover-ups always are. So are losing elections because people don’t ACKNOWLEDGE and give credence to actual events that have transpired. If RFK had uncovered what Patrick Fitzgerald is unraveling, he certainly wouldn’t be discounting Rezko and his links to unfolding revelations concerning BHO’s involvements in sex, money and murder rings. WAKE UP and DEAL with the “unpleasantries.” This is war.

  280. We think of the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy and the Kos types as being opposites, far left liberals all ragged people hiding in basements. But maybe not. If the ‘far left’ is really latte arugula types, that takes money too…. So it’s both ‘extremes’ against the middle….

  281. curiosityhasme

    I have had my reservations on LS but the more i have followed his case and seen the supportive evidence he has provided
    and given what i know about BO i can honestly say i believe LS 100%

    and i agree we should be helping to prop larry up if we want to seriously take obama down

  282. Godzilla is wrong as usual.

    It will do Bambi no good to champion the causes of working people because it is too late, they will not believe him (Goolsbee on NAFTA), and McCain will be there to pepper him with questions about how much it will cost. But women will be least inclined to support him because of the way Hillary was treated by him and his allies in the press. The following comments by a washpo commentor are instuctive:

    Hillary does something and we hear about it nonstop for four days and cable tv assembles panels to discuss what she did and how horrible she is…Barak Obama does something or another pastor disaster issue arises and cable tv shrugs and literally says ‘does it really even matter?’
    Well guess what, yes it really matters…and the flee of women from Obama is because of Obama…the media hasn’t helped but give women enough credit to understand why they oppose someone…we see through this facade that has been created…

    Obama has set a tone in his camp from the start that exploited the Hillary and Bill hate…he allowed the race baiting to begin when Hillary won NH and Eugene Robinson and Chris Matthews, instead of making a big deal out of the first woman to have won a major primary….no, instead they introduced that night, ‘The Bradley Effect’ and then Dennis Kucinich and the Obama camp called for a recount in NH…from that point on Hillary was a racist, she would ‘periodically’ get emotional according to Obama, and of course you know the rest…a bitch, a f’ing whore, pimped her daughter, on and on…

    Obama encouraged all of this, mocking her as Annie Oakley…brushing her off his shoulder…always referring to her as ’she’ with no deference or respect…all you have to do is read any of the comments from his supporters…they are filled with anger, sexism and hate…and a lot of the hate is directed at Hillary…so much for unity, hope and civility…a real leader would have spoken up long ago and nipped that it the bud…but Obama fanned the flames…he even exploited RFK’s memory in an attempt to finish off Hillary while pushing the story with the media…

    And that is the real untold story…how the Obama camp has marketed this camp of hope, change, unity when in fact it is filled with anger, rage, hate, revenge…just listen to the latest from his church of 20 years…

    So women know why they feel the way they do and they understand who inspired those perceptions…and give women credit…we are not going to be charmed, or threatened by Roe vs Wade, to support a candidate that we do not believe in…the big misconception the media has been pushing is that voters were voting against Obama.

    But the truth the media cannot stand to accept is that those voters were (and still are) voting FOR HILLARY…we like her, we admire and respect her contrary to being told over and over that she has high negatives, is polarizing and that no one likes her…her supporters do…

    I think many of those voters will become independents, stay home and some will become McCain Democrats…there is a very real disappointment and frustration for the direction the DNC is taking this so-called new Democratic Party…

  283. I think the media WANTS Hillary to be the VP so they can map out their next season of the Hill-Bill-BO drama.

    It is nice to know that Hillary Democrats and their disillusionment with the party is getting media coverage – finally.

  284. I went to LS’s site. He seems earnest. The press, BO, everyone’s treated him like pariah, and he keeps coming back. If he were lying and got caught, he’d just go away.

  285. Regarding Larry Sinclair, think Paula Jones, it doesn’t matter if it true or not. If he ever gets a judge to grant him the right to deposition, then given Bambi’s penchant for lying then Bambi is sunk, because Bambi lies like an eight year old not like a lawyer.

    On a different subject, here’s some a really disturbing rumor:
    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/the-heat-is-on/#comment-34586

    Apologies if it’s already been posted, but if it’s true then, apparently, the DNC (and SuperDs) don’t care if we win the White House. We’ve all suspected it, but the behind the scenes look described in this comment is just infuriating.

  286. turndownobama: yes, sexism has been used as a weapon and it has gone unchallenged. But the motive behind this has been misogysm. The powers that be do not want a woman president. The statement is true on the one hand and politically relevant on the other because it galvanizes her supporters to never support BO.

  287. I’m probably talking to myself but that’s what insomnia does to a person

    Anyway, I’m perusing many of the new sites that are popping up for people like us and let me tell you there is some really interesting reading out there. Re: FL/MI I found this comment over at Riverdaughter’s in the thread that I linked to above that I thought some of the regulars here might enjoy:

    Just a little reminder to the Democratic “leadership”: Ralph Nader, who was really a fringe candidate compared to Hillary Clinton, the most popular Democratic candidate ever, received 97,488 votes in FL.
    Those were mostly Democrats who didn’t want to vote for candidate Gore.

    Had Gore picked up just 0.6% of Nader’s votes in FL, he would be ending his 2nd term now.

    You guys really want to challenge us?

    Food for thought.

  288. wbboei,

    We have very different pictures of how the world operates here! 🙂

    I see the VP post as a way to keep her out of action, tied up — and if she did manage to get him elected,then she’d be tied up out of action from age 60-68, her prime years. (As well as the humiliation of being the servant of the less qualified person. He steals the nomination, he damages and humiliates her — then she’s supposed to be rewarded with the chance to iron his shirts for 8 years at the cost of her own career?)

    Any power a VP has, eg Gore and Cheney, depends on how much the Pres gives; and the Pres can take it away any time. ANything he might promise her now, he could go back on later. (And we’ve established that his other backers, the Kennedy/Pelosi factions, and the Brazile faction, hate her and would isolate her or make her fight for any influence she might have.)

    ANyway, if my reaction (horror, offense) is not unique but would be shared by a large segment of her female supporters…. Well, for one thing, she couldn’t deliver any support from us no matter how she tried. My feeling is that “for her own good” we’d have to oppose that ticket, work harder for McCain! We’d see it as a sacrifice of her own interests and would try to protect her from her own protective, ‘enabling’ instincts.

    Suppose she did agree to VP on a ‘dream ticket’. The SDs would rejoice, Pelosi might…. How would the GOP react?

  289. NYCMAX

    I am here , i too have insomnia every night …. wish i could attribute it to my age but its been life long habit (work related)

  290. given what we have witnessed in this primary there is no way in hell the DNC elites will allow her to be VP if they have anything to say about it….they would rather send her and bill to the north pole.

    personally i don’t want her as a vp either, it’s not HER position to be under BO and Racist MO

  291. NYCMAx – thanks for posting. The fix was already in – earlier.

    Meanwhile, in the next riverdaughter post below this is funny video before bedtime: Onion News says that Diebold Machines accidentally leak 2008 election results.

    theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

  292. littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30203_Galloway_for_Obama_Destruction_of_Israel

    Galloway for Obama, Destruction of Israel

    Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:11:56 pm PST

    Barack Obama has picked up another celebrity endorsement: British communist and terrorist sympathizer George Galloway. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

    Now wherever did Galloway get the idea that Obama is his kind of guy? (story complete with video and transcription)

  293. GeekLove

    great idea! I plan on being in Denver already and would definitely show up for this!

    I will help in anyway i can to get it going as well…….. please just let us know what needs to be done

    I have an idea as to what to name this march, how about something like this:

    Million Americans march for Democracy

  294. I have had my reservations on LS but the more i have followed his case and seen the supportive evidence he has provided
    and given what i know about BO i can honestly say i believe LS 100%

    and i agree we should be helping to prop larry up if we want to seriously take obama down

    ============================================

    Just to register a little principled dissent here. Even if the Larry Sinclair story were proven, I’d find it dishonorable to use. It would be attacking BO on his personal life, which is his own business (as Bill Clinton’s was). It would be encouraging a former lover to attack him for money, which is a very ugly thing. What’s the matter with a blow job? Our best president in 60 years had a blow job.

    And — it’s demeaing to gays, to perpetuate the attitude that a gay incident is worse than a straight incident.

    And — there’s a marriage with young children involved here. Much as I hate MO and would at one level relish seeing her “keep your own house” line thrown back at her … still I don’t think she’s mature enough to handle such a revelation, and I wouldn’t want to be involved with destroying a close loving family.

    It’s sad enough that they’ve lost their church home. Granted BO brought that on himself by running for POTUS while involved with that church — but it’s still sad, destruction of bonds for his wife and children.

  295. LS isn’t about gay sex, personally i dont care about any of that as i have 2 brothers who are gay

    but i believe LS story its about so much more than that….. its more about his (BO) continued drug use and lying about it to the American people. as well as the connection to the choir directors murder could be in play as well with this.
    all of which connects him more and more to the Chicago combine way of politics

    not to mention if the sex scandal is true it brings up his unfaithfulness and lack of Christian beliefs

  296. you know i’m a little bit pissed off at hillary clinton right now.
    on the msn page on the computer, is this nice little article about
    clinton and obama meeting. in it she says the part i copied here,
    and she also assures obama that her supporters will support and
    fight for the democratic party.

    let me just quote rev wright here:
    ‘NO NO NO AMERICA’, I AM NOT SUPPORTING NO G D DEMOCRATIC PARTY’….

    in the part i copied below, she tells her capaign fund raisers to
    start raising money for obama…
    sorry but, CAN YOU F_CKING BELIEVE THAT?
    *****************************************************

    High stakes
    In an e-mail to supporters, the New York senator said she “will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.”

    Clinton expressed the same sentiment in a conference call with 40 members of her national finance committee, whom she urged to begin raising money for Obama and for the Democratic National Committee.

    “She was in good spirits and totally supportive, without qualification, of Senator Obama and his campaign,” finance co-chairman Alan Patricof said of the call.

    It was a shift in tone by the former first lady, who announced 17 months ago that she was “in it to win it.” Many of her supporters want her as the vice presidential candidate, in their minds a “dream ticket” that would bring Obama her enthusiastic legions and broaden his appeal to white and working-class voters.

    But Obama indicated he intends to take his time making a decision.

    “We’re not going to be rushed into it. I don’t think Senator Clinton expects a quick decision and I don’t even know that she’s necessarily interested in that,” Obama told NBC in an interview.

  297. Hey admin! I’m about to hit the sack, but I wanted to make sure you all see this video of Jimmy Carter saying, “I just don’t think he, yet, has the proven experience or substance to be president”, talking about Obama back in 2006. Now, seeing as how Obama has been on the campaign trail for 16 months, I don’t know what in the hell he could have done to convince Mr. Peanut so quickly. Anyway, check it out below and I may not be able to join you guys for this great work you do for a few days. On the road again. Keep this video for future use!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Pg577wapw

  298. I cant see him in the white house, but even worse,
    i would cry to think of that nasty, disgusting, filthy woman,
    in the white house….

    could you imagine oprah doing her show from the oval office?
    or my favorite would be jesse jackson jr, replacing the
    secret service detail, with nation of islam soldiers…

  299. turndownobama:Just to register a little principled dissent here. Even if the Larry Sinclair story were proven, I’d find it dishonorable to use. It would be attacking BO on his personal lif
    ———————————————-
    You are a better man than I gunga din. I have only one question: if the shoe were on the other foot, do you believe bambi would hestitate to use such information? Remember how he tried to dig up dirt on Bill at the beginning of the campaign. I suspect McCain may agree with you but my concern is you will lose if you fail to fight fire with fire.

  300. (June 5, 2008): “Righteous Indignation” (SavagePolitics.com) – Most Powerful Statement of Defiance I’ve Read

    http://www.savagepolitics.com/?p=610

    EXCERPTS:

    Quote:
    “This entire election has been a sham. An almost comical farce in which the Mainstream Media, along with the ideological Left fringes within the Democratic Party…have decided to re-write history, dismiss entire demographics, and besmirch the reputation of countless individuals…

    “ALL Americans must understand that the Media and the Democratic Party did not insult Hillary Clinton as a person, they insulted what she REPRESENTED to all of her supporters…Unfortunately for them, they seem to have overplayed their hand too far…

    “Today, we find that the Media’s objective has been realized, and that the utter marginalization of the real base of the Democratic Party has been firmly shoved aside. In return, said base is being offered the scraps of condescension and blind loyalty. After being spat upon by the countless sycophantic maniacs within the Barack Hussein Obama Campaign, they now want to visit and offer ‘roses and candy’…

    “Obama has become one of the most corrupting influences in our political/public life, exactly because of his race-baiting and dishonesty…

    “The anger of most Democrats who supported Clinton should be palpable today, and I submit that it will last until November. In stark contrast with Obama, McCain’s more than 30 year-long record of service to our Country has never accumulated so many ’stains’ as Obama’s own after a few years in the public eye. Of course, we all know that McCain is not the most honest man in public life (no politician is!), but in contrast with the Democrat’s now “presumptive” nominee, he is a saint…

    “The error of following the party line behind an incompetent fool without any credentials has led us to 8 years of George W. Bush. Today, a minority of the Democratic base, along with their elite puppet masters, have chosen their own Politically Correct version of Bush and want everyone to fall in line…it will indeed be the Democratic base (and independents) who will truly save this Country from the recent ignominious years of Presidential inexperience and arrogance…who will thankfully negate the presidency to a man who truly represents 4 more years of foolishness and Bush-like egocentrics…

    “Republicans did not listen to McCain’s pleads in the year 2000, when he told his supporters (and his party) that Bush’s rhetoric was complete nonsense and dangerously naive. But they FOOLISHLY did listen to his suggestions after he was defeated by Bush and was forced to concede and endorse him. Now, in an almost eerie similarity, many Democrats did not listen to Hillary Clinton when she warned them about Obama’s dangerous inexperience, and now they might be tempted to foolishly listen to her when she does her ‘walk of shame’ towards endorsing Obama. But history…HAS TO CHANGE…

    “We are now at war, and I am not only referring to the one that we are engaging around the world against foreign enemies, but the one that we must all wage today to protect our homeland from those who wish to harm it from within…we have a responsibility and duty to fight it until the end…we are definitely staring into the heart of darkness that the radical left wing of the Democratic Party has in store for all of those who do not conform. They have already proven that their main objective is to bring a new era of anti-White racism, institutionalized sexism, self inflicted ignorance, reality-show messianic pretensions…

    “In all of these issues the Democratic Party has failed it’s own members, and now it is time to teach the world a strong lesson about how true democracy works…This November, we will save ALL of our citizens from making an even bigger mistake than the one made in the year 2000. This November, they will know the TRUE meaning of strength and dignity.”

  301. admin,

    look something that comes to mind is; everywhere i
    go, on every hillary site, everybody is talking
    about the same exact thing, but we have a big
    problem folks…

    we can not be fractured like this, the only way that
    we can all be on the same page, is to organize.
    WE MUST CHOOSE A PARTY NAME, AND WE MUST BECOME
    THAT PARTY FROM THAT DAY FORWARD.

    it would give us a nation wide banner, no a worldwide
    banner, that we could all stand behind. we must
    become a movement, or this will fizzle out.
    once we do that, we can convert our sites to
    define our new party agenda, raise money, and adopt
    temporary party leaders even…

    we have to do this right. a banner and a website to
    start our new party is a must to gather in our
    members.

    i dont care what you call it:

    THE NEW PARTY
    THE TRUE PARTY
    THE RED WHITE AND BLUE PARTY

    it is the only way to do something on this scale.

    go ahead talk amongst yourselves, but dont laugh
    it off, the gutless never go anywhere.

  302. skmf: skmf12 Says: you know i’m a little bit pissed off at hillary clinton right now.
    on the msn page on the computer, is this nice little article about
    clinton and obama meeting. in it she says the part i copied here,
    and she also assures obama that her supporters will support and
    fight for the democratic party.
    ————————————————
    If you feel betrayed you are not alone.

  303. geez i guess that sounded a little over the top.
    but if we had one name, one goal, and one voice,
    we would freak obama out…
    not to mention everyone else. lets face it,
    18 million voted hillary, some are going to stay
    with us if we are organized.

  304. wwboei: Hillary is saying this, because she wants the democrats to win, but we don’t have to go along. If she didn’t say this, she would be crucified, even more, if that is even more possible. What a nightmare. I firmly believe that BHO, is bad for this country. He does not care about the American people. There is nothing in his history to suggest otherwise. What a sham.

  305. wbboei,

    i will tell you something, this is something right out of a bad novel.

    she is concerned about some pointless committment she made
    to the democratic party that is overthrowing its bedrock members.
    well thats on her, but she has no authority to transfer my
    loyalty and my committment to anyone.
    i am miffed to say the least…

  306. However, this makes the case for mccain even stronger. I would never leave Hillary alone to fight against the party elites. But if she has made her peace with them and is content to march to their drum then I can leave with a clear conscience. The elites of the democatic party are not on the side of the people. Period. They were once but no more. Only a fool would believe them now. Its the long con. McCain 08. He is not Bush and with him at least there is some hope.

  307. birdgirl,

    i dont want the democrats to win. those fine days are officially
    over for me.
    the partys beem hijacked, and it needs to be cleansed, it needs
    to be reformed,

    if the liberals took our party, lets take theirs, we can be the
    NEW MODERATE LIBERAL PARTY…

  308. wwboei: I agree, with you about McCain. I would sleep easier at night, with a McCain presidency. I do not feel any allegiance to the democratic party, because they no longer stand for the ideals, that I thought they did. The right-wing Republicans, who have said all these years, that the left wingers are communists or socialists, have not been far off. The left wing of the Democratic party, seems very radicalized at this point in time. In addition, the corruption is frightening, and our democracy is at risk.

  309. OH BY THE WAY, PLEASE SEND DONNA BRAZILLE THE MEMO,
    ON OUR NEW PARTY…

    the party that doesnt need latte liberals, traitorous dem elders,
    children, or the radical black and white arm of the democratic
    party to win…

  310. skmf12, I agree with what you said. The case for McCain is getting stronger day by day. All the backroom dealing has been played out, before our eyes, and has laid bare, the corruption that is present within the democratic party. What a farce this primary has been. The people’s votes do not matter. We have an affirmative action presidential candidate. What a nightmare.

  311. Admin, Dick Morris (of all people!) had a great point tonight about the Rezko-Obama scandal. He said that Whitewater, which in reality was a tempest in a teapot, still gave the Clintons serious political headaches for over 10 years after the story broke, and that involved a land deal where the Clintons LOST money. Obama PROFITED off Rezko’s house, though! He said this scandal is much, much worse.

  312. yes birdgirl,

    and i am wondering how big dog is feeling right now.

    they have treated him worse then the republicans have.
    and whats more, they have accused him of much worse.
    you know what? he should join our new party!

    lets write him a letter, and tell him he will be head of our
    new party!!!
    i bet he’d get a kick out of that…

  313. birdgal: I know that. In fairness Hillary is in the difficult position of trying to placate supporters on the one hand and party elite on the other. Money people will go wherever they see opportunity and thats where they go. But she has leverage that comes from 18 million voters and an army of dedicated soldiers as well.

    To be clear however the mission we signed on for was to help her win the nomination. The new mission of serving Obama who did everything he could to destroy her is not in the cards. I understand the psychology here only too well. I have seen it in real life. And I want no part of it.

  314. skmf12 Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 3:06 am
    OH BY THE WAY, PLEASE SEND DONNA BRAZILLE THE MEMO,
    ON OUR NEW PARTY…

    Donna will get the memo in NOvember. I wouldn’t waste the bandwidth on contacting her.

  315. wwboei: I completely agree. Hillary is in a very difficult and tenuous position, but the leverage of 18 million voters has to mean something. Maybe, she can use it, as a bargaining chip for UHC. I don’t know. It is astounding, that many people are discounting Hillary supporters, and believe that we will come around. Some will, some won’t. Taking people for granted and dissing them, are never good things.

    skmf: LOL! Big Dawg would probably like that.

  316. tex,

    the main idea is to form a party quickly, before the anger dies
    down, and time blurs the memory.

    also, for everyday americans, who work two three jobs and dont
    live on the internet like we have, they dont have any contacts,
    they dont have the networking for taking that new step.
    if we had a party started by sept,
    we could advertise and gather all our little stray voters, and
    diirect them to the new american party.

  317. Intro to article in WaPo, re: Clinton supporters flocking to McCain:

    ———–
    McCain Sets Sights on the Democrats Who Voted for Clinton

    By Michael D. Shear and Jon Cohen
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, June 6, 2008; A04

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla., June 5 — Republican Sen. John McCain envisions a November victory built in part around attracting a large number of the millions of voters who turned away from Sen. Barack Obama’s promise of change during the historic Democratic primary campaign.

    Buoyed by polls showing a quarter or more of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s supporters planning to back McCain, his advisers have already started wooing the white working-class voters and women who made up the bedrock of her coalition. They plan to echo and expand the former first lady’s critiques of Obama: that he is out of touch with Middle America and too unseasoned to be president.

    “There’s a lot of Senator Clinton supporters who would support me because of their belief that Senator Obama does not have the experience or the knowledge or the judgment to address this nation’s national security challenges,” McCain told reporters Wednesday.

  318. bird,

    lets keep that bill idea in mind…
    infact, shouldnt somebody be talking to him?
    after all he is the wisest politician of this century…

  319. Actually, I think, he would be happier, doing good deeds through his foundation. Politics is probably bad for his heart.

  320. how does someone send a message to the former president of
    these united states?

    ADMIN,

    any suggestions?

  321. McCain Sets Sights on the Democrats Who Voted for Clinton
    ———————————————-
    I have a line in the water and the fish are starting to bite.
    ———————————————–
    Under Bambi the democratic party will have trickle down economics too, by Goolsbee/
    ———————————————–
    McCain is more of a blue collar guy than Bambi. To Bambi blue collar is a custom made silk shirt with a monogram.
    ———————————————-
    mccain has foreign policy experience from living all over the world including the hanoi hilton. But dont sell bambi short for he has foreign policy experience too in an african hut.

  322. Hi Everyone…crazy thing happened today. No Quarter published a story based on bogus info that they got from someone that ClintonDems.com was being run by Maggie Williams! Oh my god, the site went nutz! There were like 20 people on the site and then all the sudden there were 220!

    I had to put a disclaimer on top of the site in big red letters and have NQ pull the story. What a weird day!

    What do you think happened in that meeting today with Obama/Feinstein and Hillary?

  323. QUOTE OF THE DAY!

    (From a freshman college student’s blog)

    “Tonight was a historic night. A black kid from the streets of Chicago beat the Clinton machine.”

    Seriously. I almost cried, I was laughing soooo hard.

  324. h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/06/instead-of-donating-to-mccain-just-yet/

    Instead of donating to McCain just yet….

    Imo the best way to show the DNC and SDs and media that we’re serious about a vote strike against Obama, is to donate some money somewhere. But donating to McCain at this point has some problems:

    1. What if Hillary gets the nomination after all? Then our donations would go to help McCain campaign against her!

    2. How can we prove to the DNC, SDs, and media that we really did donate to McCain? The DNC etc will just tear up and ignore any receipts we send. The GOP is not going to do our bookkeeping on this; they are sweet-talking us, but they won’t tabulate donations and release statements that would help Hillary get the nomination. We need a fund to donate to that will release totals, er, periodically.

    Finally someone is doing that: an official legal ‘PAC’. It’s a group that’s pro-Hillary, anti-Obama, and pro-vote-strike, even promoting voting for McCain over Obama.

    It’s called PUMA — Party Unity My Ass! The site for donating is
    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org

    It’s run by riverdaughter at confluence:
    h t t p : / / riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/monday-puma-power/

  325. It is not possible to show the discontent by setting up a kind of trust donation fund, that people can donate to, that only when the nomination becomes final in Aug, then the authority set will be that the money will go to Clinton if she is the nominee or to McCain if Obama was the nominee.

    Would also show DNC how pissed people are and our backs are covered.

  326. Hillary Rodham Clinton and likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama met privately Thursday night to talk about uniting the Democratic Party.

    “Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November,” their campaigns said in joint statement.

    The statement included no details of their talks, as pressure mounted for Obama to invite Clinton to become his running mate. Robert Gibbs, an Obama spokesman, would not say where the former rivals met, except that it was not at Clinton’s home in Washington, as had been widely reported.

    Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane.

    Asked at the time about the Illinois senator’s whereabouts, Gibbs smiled and declined to comment.

    Clinton returned to Washington after the last primaries on Tuesday night, when Obama earned the 2,118 delegates he needed to secure the Democratic nomination. She planned to announce Saturday that she was ending her campaign and supporting Obama.

  327. What a wrong thing to happen; I just can’t believe how so many people got misled and made the wrong choice.

  328. Personally, I believe Dick Morris has started laying the groundwork for his defense in Odingagate.

    He knows BHO and his legions will blame DM for what went down in Africa as Morris now knows BHO’s way of dealing with confrontation – blame the other party involved.

    I also suspect that at the same time, DM wants to disassociate himself completely with BHO now that he has inside info, obviously on some sordid details in every regard – Middle East/Africa, Rezko/Auchi, Rezko/Sinclair/Wright/Young, on and on and on.

    As much as he despises the Clintons, even DM realizes that BHO is poison for the government and national security. He probably never imagined in his wildest dream that a politician could be involved in more scandals (BC) than he has dealt with , and then along comes BHO. Morris’ “about-face” is extremely telling, if you ask me.

    Odinga may have opened Pandora’s box for DM, and he knows better than anybody what fallout lies ahead. Always wanting to be on the winning team, he knows a LOSER when he sees one.

    My hunch is that DM is much more involved behind the scenes in the oppositional research on BHO than the public realizes. Culd be his next book in the works. How he innocently got “caught up” in the Obama-hype, but “saw the light” following Odinga.

    This man knows plenty. Will continue to listen for subtle clues he throws out there to whet the appetite. Without HRC, he rationalizes, he is free to begin drip, drip, dripping out of the details. He also knows the electoral map aas well as anybody. All he sees in store for the “New Democratic Party” is defeat. Me too.

  329. I love PUMA!

    Of course they will unite the Dems because most of us will have left it and become Independents. Or, I like to think, new members of the PUMA coalition.

    Have you noticed that our defections and rage is always explained that we are just angry at the way Hillary has been treated? It is never that a great candidate has just been treacherously cast aside for a dreadful candidate AND even if Hill forgives him and asks us to forgive him and he puts her on the ticket, he is still a DREADFUL candidate and we cannot vote for him.

    Obama cannot decide on a VP right now because Michelle has nixed any woman who could upstage her, Farrakhan has nixed any Jew, and he is under pressure to pick a ‘brother’ or a Chicago pol. The question is, is Jesse Jackson, Jr. too young?

    Obama will be ready to go on day one in the WH.
    He is already planning:

    1. a Rezko pardon
    2. an Ahmadinejad state dinner
    3. Secret Service remodeling of his Chicago mansion.
    4. renaming Camp David as Camp Jeremiah.

    This July 4th, I will proudly celebrate my own Independence with my new Ind. party registration.

  330. Good Morning,

    As the famed saying goes, “Wheres the beef”?……. “Wheres the tape”? I am starting to to believe that it does not exsits.

  331. Speaking of Indies, we should follow July 4th, Independence Day, with July 5th, Independents’ Day. There should be a huge drive to register and re-register Independents at all July 4th picnics and we can then follow the conventions with our choices for pres., sens., reps., govs etc who have shown courage and smarts and haven’t followed the corporate line or the party line or any other pressure to vote against the people’s interest. I would even make a case for some votes I disagree with if they were consistent with the pol’s campaign promises or his/her honest beliefs. But generally we could go for an honest person who values our liberties — ALL of them — and wants to restore govt to the people.

    If we had a litmus test at all, it should be: will you support reformation of our elections? Popular votes, honest voting machines or voting by telephone or computer, no more caucuses, same day registration or any of the good ideas that can replace the ghastly mess our elections are in.

  332. freckles:

    Good idea about the registration en masse say the WEEK of Independence Day, Mon., June 30 – Thurs., July 3, 2008.

    The results could be announced IN BOLD HEADLINES – THE MILLIONS OF NEWLY REGISTERED INDEPENDENTS ON JULY 4, 2008.

    Makes me yearn for Mom, a good baseball game, and hunger for apple pie.

    Lou Dobbs is the perfect place to start pitching this idea. Works with his book Independents Day, too.

  333. I was just reading Rezkowach, and she has a artical up stating that Hillary meet with Obama last night and an agreement has been made. First, Obama will retire her $30 million dollar debt. Second, she will endorse his candidacy. And thrid, she will fundraise for him and the DNC. The artical also stated that she will loose the support from the 18 million who voted for her. Okay, now with said, IMO, Hillary has to do what good for Hillary, if that means helping Obama and the DNC then so be it, I will respect her for that (it just shows she is the bigger person ). that does not mean I will vote for Obama and I hope the 18 Million srtong will not either!

  334. Morning, all!

    I just want to thank the kind words people had for me (basil, wbboei [from a letter I wrote the other day], etc.). Very much appreciate it.

    *

    confloyd & skmf12:

    Confloyd: Your account is active and you can post anytime you want on my site. As soon as I saw your name in the registration I activated your account. Just go and sign in whenever you feel like it and you’re all set. This is the link to the “Politics” section:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=32

    Skmf12: Sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you. That’s my bad and I certainly wasn’t trying to do so.

    If you want to sign up on my site, here is the registration page link:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=register

    Just let me know it’s you by dropping an email to admin@villarrealsports.com and I’ll activate your account right away. 🙂

    *

    I just finished a new video comparing John McCain with Bambi. I’m loading it to YouTube now and when it is ready to go live I’ll post the link. The title is “McCain vs Obama: Courage vs Cravenness.”

    This week has just flown by. I’m so happy to see the success of all the new Dems for McCain sites which are sprouting up.

    More steps towards our November victory, my friends.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  335. I mentioned this earlier, but is worth repeating

    we let just over 4000 people decide who our presidential nominee would be, this is after 35 million people showed up at the poles. then in NOvember we will let just over 500 people decide who will be our president after over 100 million will show up at the polls.

    This is not representative government.

    It is time to fix this system. Say no to delgates and the party elite. Give the power back to the people. Better yet PEOPLE take the power back!!! One voice, one vote.

  336. Don’t believe this. The NY Daily News saying she’ll concede; don’t know what to make of the Chelsea comment;
    She has to have made a deal for Veep…. My mind of bogglin’….

    “Clinton – who refused to throw in the towel when Obama clinched the nomination Tuesday night – is now set to concede the race formally in a speech to supporters in Washington Saturday.
    Some of her backers have touted her as a running mate for Obama, but Clinton distanced herself from that effort Thursday.
    “She is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her,” Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said. “The choice here is Sen. Obama’s and his alone.”

    Both candidates spoke often during the grueling Democratic primary marathon about their confidence that they would be united in the fall to defeat Republican John McCain. But tensions between the campaigns grew as Obama approached the finish line. Clinton hung in as the odds against her grew from long to impossible.
    Still, their public words about each other in the past few days have grown warmer, and the Obama team is aware of her enduring strength with voters he’d like to have in his corner, including women and blue-collar whites. The pressure for her to get out of the race came from her longtime loyalists, including fellow New York legislators, who were anxious to close ranks with Obama.
    Clinton also alarmed top supporters when she floated the idea of seeking a roll call vote at the convention “for Chelsea’s sake” – a comment that was “met with intense pushback,” a Clinton source said.”

  337. Don’t believe anything until Hillary say it herself. I don’t trust the media they have been in the tank for Obama for the past year.

  338. Blue Dem, I don’t think the reporter in the article you cited knows the difference between concede and suspend. If she were conceding that would be on all the news networks. Also, current news today might contradict the no VP slant. The media is just recycling old information as they don’t have anything right now to report on, everything is happening behind closed doors.

  339. Personally, I believe Dick Morris has started laying the groundwork for his defense in Odingagate.

    He knows BHO and his legions will blame DM for what went down in Africa as Morris now knows BHO’s way of dealing with confrontation – blame the other party involved.
    *****************************************************
    Kenya should send out an arrest warrant and as the US to hand him over to their government. This guy should be held accountable to want happen to all those people being murdered by Obamb’s cousin.

  340. curiosityhasme:

    I totally agree with you on Morris and Odinga. Morris is a mercenary and he got what he wanted with Hillary and now it’s time to look out for Dickie.

    He knows Obama will toss him under the bus in a second and so he’s going on the offensive first. And I’m sure he knows plenty after having been sent to Kenya.

    I agree with Carbynew, Morris — and many others, including Obama who was too stupid to know what he was doing in supporting his cousin — should be held to account for the deaths of all of those people.

    Paul F. Villarreal

  341. Instead of donating to McCain just yet….

    Imo the best way to show the DNC and SDs and media that we’re serious about a vote strike against Obama, is to donate some money somewhere. But donating to McCain at this point has some problems:

    1. What if Hillary gets the nomination after all? Then our donations would go to help McCain campaign against her!

    2. How can we prove to the DNC, SDs, and media that we really did donate to McCain? The DNC etc will just tear up and ignore any receipts we send. The GOP is not going to do our bookkeeping on this; they are sweet-talking us, but they won’t tabulate donations and release statements that would help Hillary get the nomination. We need a fund to donate to that will release totals, er, periodically.

    Finally someone is doing that: an official legal ‘PAC’. It’s a group that’s pro-Hillary, anti-Obama, and pro-vote-strike, even promoting voting for McCain over Obama.

    It’s called PUMA — Party Unity My Ass! The site for donating is
    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org

    It’s run by riverdaughter at confluence:
    h t t p : / / riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/monday-puma-power/
    *****************************************************
    Can we focus on this first before some of you go independent…I like the SDs to see Hillary Support and how it will affect them and if they are still on the Obama train by then …Do want you have to do but I love the image of me giving them the finger with Democrats for McCain better.

    Love PUMA!!!

    Universal love the passion on your site.

  342. FOXNEWS has a major problem of credibility regarding national security and holding people accountable for their actions. When I see FoxNews now I see them being HYPOCRITS in the one area that they promote nightly, and that is NATIONAL SECURITY.

    Yet they give DICK MORRIS, a known foreign terrorist to the country of KENYA, all that air space to promote his business. In fact they are condoning DICK MORRIS involvement in the MURDERS and BURNING of all those CHRISTIANS by Odinga, keeping him on the air and continue to employ him as a FoxNews employee.

    In fact instead of suspending him and investigating what happen and DICK MORRIS INVOLVEMENT in a FORIEGN GOVERNMENT ELECTION and how his tactics and plans was the cause of the KILLINGS of KENYANS CITIZENS….FOXNEW REWARDED Dick MORRIS with their continue support of this traitor of their BRAND.

    A COMPANY LIKE NEWS CORP CAN’T BE SEEM TO BE INVOLVED IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES IN AFRICA!!

    But it surprises me that night after night NEWS CORPS and RUPERT MURDOCK continues to employ DICK MORRIS ON THEIR PRIMIER CABLE NEWS SHOW.

  343. debbie Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 9:12 am
    I mentioned this earlier, but is worth repeating

    we let just over 4000 people decide who our presidential nominee would be, this is after 35 million people showed up at the poles. then in NOvember we will let just over 500 people decide who will be our president after over 100 million will show up at the polls.
    ———————————————-
    Debbie- it is that bad and more. Two of Hillary’s supporters here–Simms and Locke flipped because they were promised jobs by bambi. Does anyone believe they were acting on behalf of the American people when they did that? So when 4000 people guided by their own narrow self interest make a decision which is adverse to the welfare of the American people based on popular vote statistics can we say with a straight face that this is democracy.

    Likewise when the powers that be run a sham hearing and strip two major states of delegate count WHEN IT MATTERED can anyone say with a straight face that this is the party of the people. And when Bambi makes the inevitable appeal to the core of Hillarys base and promises to do wonderful things which we cannot afford because of his trillion dollar give away program to Africa (to eliminate poverty and pave the way for low cost manufacturing so his finacial supporters can have a new low cost venue for manufacturing) no one in that party especially Hillary dare raise a dissenting voice. But we will remember Goolsbee.

    If you read the article in that lousy Politico you see why Hillary caved in so fast. It was a hard pitch by Rangel that her supporters would face political opposition in their districts orchestrated by Bambi allies and that is why she is doing what Savage describes as the walk of shame to endorse Obama.

    For us the third party option is apparently out. The two other options are to stay home or move to mccain. If Hillary supporters move to mccain en masse that will send the right sigal that democratic elites. I see no other way to make our voices heard over the big money interests and a rigged system.

    None of this diminishes in any way my deep respect love and affection for Hillary. She took our cause as far as it could be taken within a party which has shown itself to be not only corrupt but no longer interested in us. She, put her entire legacy at risk for us-of that I am sure. But because she was part of an organization which she and Bill no longer control the best she could when it came down to it was to protect the political figures who supported her and are now facing a risk of reprisal. That is part of what is meant by unity. Who can blame her for that?

    If we can hold our coalition together we can have a great impact on the process. We should remember how they treated Hillary when she represented our interests, how when they cut her we bled, how us that they would reform NAFTA and then tell senior foreign officials that it was all just campaign talk and remember the bots. Knowing that we should cast a cold eye on the promises they make between now and the election because that too is just campaign talk.

    McCain is the only remaining pocket of strength to resist this assault on our values. As with most every election the ultimate choice comes down to the lesser of the two evils. Most important we are valued by them. Whereas our own party takes us for granted and shows us no respect. Let them win it with the coalition which they do prize the new coaltion. As the obamaniacs and brazille have told us we can win it without you. I say prove it.

  344. A note to the men and young women who keep predicting that we will “get over it” and vote for Obama. If you’d spent 40 or 50 or 60 years of misogyny and lost opportunities and unfair comparisons, you wouldn’t be so confident that we will forgive and forget in 5 months.

    PUMA!

  345. NOBODY tells me how to vote, INCLUDING Hillary. If she wants to assure Bambi I’ll fall in line behind him come November, she’s free to do that. But she’s dead wrong.

  346. I can see where Hillary is coming from. Obama pays off her campaign debt and she hits the campaign trail telling all of us he is the greatest thing since sliced bread…wink…wink… 2012 campaign starts in only 30 months and this fool wiped my debt clean for me.

  347. It all comes down to one issue, IMO, and that is RESPECT. Respect for Hillary, and for her supporters, the DNC and Sen. Obama have turned their backs on us. The strongest voice we have is our vote, come November let our voice is heard!

  348. well her campaign will end tomorrow at noon. I’m sad but I’m also ready to move forward in my efforts to defeat the beast known as Obama.

    I can’t wait to work against him, regardless of what Clinton says

    Hillary is in a bind right now and she will have to try to help unite the party .. that doesn’t me have to though.

    F em .. I own my vote and I am not at all impressed with Waffles.

  349. Unfortunately, Hillary has to do these things to prove to black people that she doesnt want to destroy Obama and that she isn’t racist. She will endorse him and campaign for him but only because she needs AA support for 2012! He’ll lose in November! If Hillary believes being on the ticket will help in 2012, for her own sake we have to vote against it.

    Its politics, the endorsing, the campaigning, thats all. She’s a pragmatist!

  350. I think Hillary is trying to keep her foot in the door in case something happens between now and August. But have you all read the comments on the official Hillary blog? They’re not voting for Bambi either. Everywhere I go on the Internet, I am really not seeing a lot of Hillary voters who are saying they will now back Bambi. Most are going to McCain.

    Even if most of the Hillary supporters “get over” the way the Dems screwed with us, their anger won’t magically turn into support for Obama the way Rumplestiltskin spun straw into gold. And the bottom line is that the Hillary Democrats do not see Obama’s nomination as legitimate. That’s not going to go away now or anytime soon, no matter how much the DNC window dresses it. What they’re doing to Hillary now with all this party unity crap is making the situation worse, not better. We know she’s being bullied into supporting Obama. If they’d had any brains whatsoever, they would have just left her alone for a few weeks to let everything cool down. The convention doesn’t start until the end of August. Waffles has plenty of $$$ (which IMO warrants an investigation in and of itself). So why the rush? Pushing the nomination is also leaving Bambi open to Republican attacks, which is the only good thing to come out of this as far as I’m concerned. Again, if the DNC had waited, the Repubs wouldn’t be attacking him now because they still wouldn’t be sure who was getting the nomination. So why the rush? Why couldn’t they wait and let the process play itself out?

    The more I think about this, the less it makes sense.

  351. Warehouse,
    I agree that Hillary is doing this for the AA vote as well as to keep her foot in the door. But I truly cannot believe her “support” for Waffles is in any way sincere. She’s doing what she has to do to stay afloat in this bad storm.

  352. Jen

    the rush was they needed to get Hillary out and have the time to TRY to BRAINWASH HILLARY SUPPORTERS

    it was never about not having enough time to attack McCain…… they have always been Attacking McCain
    as were the DNC’s Pacs and 527’s

  353. I can’t even lurk at TM anymore. The bot infestation is sickening. Most of the regular posters have left, and taken their good discussions with them.

  354. Hillary is doing what she needs to do, and I respect that. But we’re all capable of making our own decisions, and Hillary knows that as well as anyone.

    As for the tape, Obama’s going to lose regardless of whether it exists or not. His problems are legion.

  355. djia Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    Jen

    the rush was they needed to get Hillary out and have the time to TRY to BRAINWASH HILLARY SUPPORTERS

    But, I thought, the new democratic party did not need/want Hillary supporters?

    This “nomination” is not legitimate, which is what, so many people are having difficult with. The primary was rigged, riddled with electioneering and fraud, thuggery, lies, bullying, and the icing was the RBC farce and sham. This was all predetermined and planned. I am afraid for our democracy. I think, it may be gone.

  356. Scientific analysis on why Waffles will lose in November, according to current polls.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/06/donkey-my-ass-party/#more-2951

  357. Jen: nice analysis. Hillary is doing, what she has to do, but the poor treatment by the media, DNC, and her peers, is hardening her supporters even more, against BHO. With so many people anti-Obama, it is more than, just “hurt feelings.” There is real anger for the illegitimacy of the campaign, the forcing of BHO down our throats, the lack of respect from the DNC and other politicians, and horribly biased media. Our system is very corrupt and broken. This guy is not a “visionary” but is a Chicago-pol, with massive amounts of corporate money behind him. All his supporters spout the same garbage, on every blog that I have seen. They all say the same thing. It sounds like, they have been indoctrinated or brain-washed. Even more unbelievable, are the politicians spouting the same party line. There is no independent thought or behavior that is tolerated, which is frightening.

  358. You all need to read the latest HillBuzz post. It makes an excellent point: If the Clintons really were so Machiavellian and horrible, they would’ve destroyed Waffles a long time ago. I’ve always suspected they ran this campaign with one hand tied behind their back, and they paid dearly for it.

    hillbuzz.blogspot.com/

  359. HillBuzz also has a column from Ann Coulter. My God, I agree with her. Hell absolutely has frozen over.

  360. I love this blog comment over on PUMA ( blog.pumapac.org)

    #3 TexasTigress on 06.06.08 at 8:10 am

    So , let me get this straight , in his first week as PRESUMPTIVE nominee , BO has ; enlisted a known criminal to lead his veep search , Axlerod has been exposed as a LOBBYIST AGAINST HEALTH CARE , and now he has hi jacked the media ???!!! I am giggling like a school girl ! Does anyone else hear the Jeopardy theme song when thinking about Obama ??? 🙂

    TexasTigress…..if you are here with us too i give you a high five!! 😀

  361. I believe the Clintons knew of the Wright controversy but declined to use it of fear of being called racist. Remember when Hillary called Obama’s response to meeting without preconditions naive? She was called a racist for that!

    Why did no candidate ever attack Obama? Edwards clearest path to the nomination would have been to knock Obama out of the picture. He feared attacking him because the media would’ve labeled him a racist. Again Biden complimented him as being “articulate” and all hell broke lose.

    But the good news, for us anyway, is that Republicans don’t need the black vote to win. Being called a racist won’t work with McCain because the GOP already distrusts the Media! He’s toast!

  362. Paula you are right. The mere fact that Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter are more fair to Hillary than the democrat party is sad. Hell has frozen over!

  363. For those of you who wanted to thank Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Here is the info.

    If you want to make a thank you comment re Stephanie supporting Clinton, or discuss any campaign issue you can contact her at the Campaign Office :

    (216) 751-9022. Ask to speak to Carole .

    If you want to leave a message to discuss anything re the 11th Congressional District other than campaign issues, that number is: (216) 522-4900 .

    The Congressional Office can not and will not take messages nor discuss any campaign issues…conflict of interest.

    I think the e-mail address is:
    STEPHANIE.TUBBSJONES@MAIL.HOUSE.GOV

  364. This “nomination” is not legitimate, which is what, so many people are having difficult with. The primary was rigged, riddled with electioneering and fraud, thuggery, lies, bullying, and the icing was the RBC farce and sham. This was all predetermined and planned.
    ———————————————–
    You have put your finger on the core problem that bambi has with the traditional democratic base and most especially the women. The problem will be remembered as “an ancient wrong” and the only one who can give him and the party absolution is Hillary at the convention in a speech which they will not let her make but needs to be made on behalf of all women. For those who say this problem will go away when Obama makes them promises and his supporters say fall in line sweetie, the words of Robert Service ring especialy true:

    The music almost dies away…then it burst like a pent-up flood;
    And it seemed to say, “Repay, repay,” and my eyes were blind with blood.
    The thought came back of an ancient wrong, and it stung like a frozen lash,
    And the lust awoke to kill, to kill…then the music stopped with a crash,
    And the stranger turned, and his eyes they burned in a most peculiar way;

    In a buckskin shirt that was glazed with dirt he sat, and I saw him sway;
    Then his lips went in in a kind of grin, and he spoke, and his voice was calm,
    And “Boys,” says he, “you don’t know me, and none of you care a damn;
    But I want to state, and my words are straight, and I’ll bet my poke they’re true,
    That one of you is a hound of hell…and that one is Dan McGrew.”
    ———————————————-
    So what we are talking about here is emotions, very legitimate ones, which will not be assuaged by bamboozling. In fact, Bambi is not authentic to this audience. Not after he promoted the rfk charade to chase her out of town, orchestrated the RBC smackdown and terrorized her supporters.
    Women are Hillarys last line of defense against this thug and I hope their memories last longer than 5 months.

  365. Did any of you all know that Hillary put a bill forth in 05′ that was named “count every vote”. So she has been fighting to count every vote and then all these gamed caucas’s and Fl/MI came in to play. You know she has to be mad!

  366. confloyd…… i didn’t know that

    tell us, was the bill ever passed? i assume not but would like to know why not if you can?

  367. What is the saying HELL HAS NO FURY THAN A WOMEN SCORN.

    We want forget. I cannot wait until November to vote against O

  368. Haven’t checked news yet, reading from the bottom up here.

    Do we need a petiton something like this:

    ——————
    hillarynovp

    Hillary, don’t take VP!

    Don’t iron his shirt!

    ————-

  369. I suppose everyone’s heard about PUMAPAC.org?

    Riverdaughter and some others started this. It’s now a legal official PAC!

    I think that’s a better place to donate than to McCain — it gives a clearer message and we can produce our own documentation for the press. Better not rely on McCain to do that for us, he wants US but would not help Hillary get the nomination.

  370. We are now turning into a formidable force; united we can
    take action and force changes. There are huge numbers of groups that are trying to accomplish the same goals; we need now to bring all these groups together. United we stand, divided “they” can force our fall and once again relegate us to the most acquiescent group in the world. There is one group that has all the tools to bring the groups under one umbrella at least. It is blogdotpumapacdotorg.

    There the pest control is active.There is only serious discussion with specific goals to be enacted; this is a long term pac with sharp claws. The most important aspect is that it is a 527 – and as a 527 it has real teeth – there is power in numbers, and cohesion.

    I have joined this powerful force; and I want to encourage those of you who are serious about combating all the evils
    in our nation to do the same. I recognize a lot of those that are here on this wonderful site have already done so, we must SOLDIER on!!!

  371. Something that is bothering me, and I am wondering if it has anything to do with my very vocal support of Hillary. I keep
    keeping calls from a cell phone number in NY, NY. The number is 646-330-4314. I got one as I was typing the last entry here. I answered this time, and no one was there. Anyway, long story short.

    There was a charge to my credit card for more than $1,000, the other charge was for more than $4,000. My credit card company did not honor those charges, but I would have been in a world of hurt if they had.

    At first, I thought these were not malicious toward me, just fraudulent people doing illegal things and using computers to do so. I am thinking now that it may be related to my support for Hillary. There are some reasons that I am now leaning toward this theory.

    My question is here, is anyone else who are supporters of Hillary having similar experiences?

  372. FYI: FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT.

    Why Edwards Is Unlikely on an Obama Ticket
    By Julie Bosman

    It was an idea that Senator Barack Obama and former Senator John Edwards privately discussed back in January, days before the South Carolina primary, when Mr. Edwards was still in the presidential race: running as president and vice president on the Democratic ticket this fall.
    The notion fizzled rather quickly, mostly out of a lack of enthusiasm from Mr. Obama’s advisers. But Mr. Edwards is still asked frequently about whether he would run with Mr. Obama, most recently by two Spanish newspapers this week.
    “I already had the privilege of running for vice president in 2004, and I won’t do it again,” Mr. Edwards said, in an interview published Friday in El Mundo.
    Aside from Mr. Edwards’s crystal-clear denials, there are other reasons to doubt an Obama-Edwards ticket:
    David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s chief strategist, worked for Mr. Edwards in the 2004 cycle, a relationship that did not end amicably. (In an interview with The New York Times Magazine last year, Mr. Axelrod explained the campaign’s failure by pointing to Mr. Edwards: “I have a whole lot of respect for John, but at some point the candidate has to close the deal and — I can’t tell you why — that never happened with John.”)
    During the 2004 general-election campaign, Mr. Edwards was not seen as a team player on the ticket with Senator John Kerry. They couldn’t even agree on a campaign slogan: Mr. Kerry tried to rouse audiences with the chant, “Help is on the way.” Mr. Edwards stuck to his own version, “Hope is on the way.”

    While Mr. Kerry in 2004 had hoped that Mr. Edwards, a Southerner, would help with rural voters, there was little evidence that Mr. Edwards’s presence on the ticket made any difference at all. (He didn’t even win his hometown in North Carolina.)
    In the 2008 campaign, Mr. Edwards performed very well with male voters; but Mr. Obama needs more help attracting female voters.
    And Elizabeth Edwards, though immensely popular with the public, was occasionally resented by campaign aides for her tendency to micromanage both the campaign message and the candidate.
    But vice-presidential chatter aside, Mr. Edwards, who endorsed Mr. Obama last month, could still be considered for a spot in Mr. Obama’s Cabinet. Mr. Edwards, a former trial lawyer, has told friends that he is interested in the job of attorney general.
    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/why-edwards-is-unlikely-on-an-obama-ticket/

  373. I like how John Edward sold his soul for a job in BO cabinet. I hope this is the LAST we see of JOHN EDWARD in politics…all those poor working and middle class people believing his B.S. about being there for the “little” people.

    John was only there when the cameras was involved…he doesn’t even believe in Universal Healthcare for all Americans…it was just rhetoric with him…that’s why he lost his Senate seat from his state because he never had your back.

  374. campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

    Check this out……

    Friday, June 06, 2008

    BARACK OBAMA

    Why Does the Michelle Obama Tape Rumor Match a 2006 Novel?

    Sometimes, this rumor of this alleged tape of Michelle Obama denouncing “whitey” sounds like something out of a clichéd political thriller novel.

    Actually, it sounds exactly like something out of a clichéd political thriller novel. Specifically, Stephen Frey’s The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Ballantine Books.

    A major plot line of the novel is the presidential campaign of Democrat Jesse Wood, aiming to be the country’s first African American president — “Wood was handsome, smart, charismatic, and being mentioned increasingly often in the press as someone who could unite a twenty-first century America growing more, not less, racially and economically divided.” (p.35)

    He’s a U.S. Senator from New York and former senior partner at a prestigious law firm. His backers include “some of the old Black Panthers.” He wants to make Puerto Rico a state, and a recurring figure in his campaign is a controversial minister from Philadelphia called “Jefferson Roundtree.”

    And by page 130, his opponents find a videotape that could ruin his candidacy…

  375. Now for the general
    The battle between Mr Obama and Mr McCain is now on. It might, conceivably, be civil—Mr McCain has invited Mr Obama to hold joint town-hall meetings with him, where both men answer whatever questions the audience tosses at them. But it will also be heated, and filled with distortions. Mr McCain congratulated his opponent but said he was surprised that such a young man should subscribe to so many bad old ideas, such as that government is the answer to every problem. Mr Obama retorted that Mr McCain offers four more years of President George Bush’s economic failures and 100 more years in Iraq. Both were unfair.

    Given the war, the economic gloom and the wind at the Democrats’ backs, Mr Obama ought to win easily in November. But first he must unite behind him a large portion of those who voted for Mrs Clinton. That will not be easy. Consider the example of Kathy Nicolette, a former teacher who thinks teachers are underpaid and oil firms to blame for petrol prices so high she may have to walk to work. She supported Mrs Clinton. But if Mr Obama is the nominee, she says she will vote for Mr McCain.

    Sitting with her dogs by the waterfall for which the city of Sioux Falls is named, Ms Nicolette explains that she rather liked Mr Obama when he first appeared on the scene. She read his autobiography and was impressed. But she has grown to distrust him. His relationship with his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, appals her. “I can’t imagine how he listened to a guy saying ‘God damn America’ for 20 years and only now he distances himself,” she says. Many so-called Reagan Democrats will share her sentiments.

    Come November, writes Dick Morris, a disaffected former aide to Bill Clinton, “Obama will still be black and the Rev Wright will still be nuts.” Charlie Cook, a more neutral analyst, takes a more nuanced line. Mr Obama’s problem is not just racial, he says. Many Americans, particularly older ones, are uncomfortable with his exotic background. If his name was Smith and he had grown up entirely in America (rather than partly in Indonesia) they might find it easier to relate to him. Mr Obama’s challenge is to refute the false rumours swirling around the internet—that he is a Muslim, that he sympathises with terrorists—and make suspicious voters feel comfortable with him. If he can do that, he will win, says Mr Cook. If not, he won’t.

    http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11502141
    *****************************************************
    I see how they are going to negate Clintondems…using racism and ageism in their New Democratic Party. That last paragraph pretty much put their strategy out there.

  376. now my thoughts on that are this…… the tape “whitey” would have been made in 2004
    so that is plenty of time for a GOP operative to write such a book in 2006
    knowing that in 2004 obama was being selected “not elected” at that point in time.

    so IMHO this does not debunk the mystery of this tape or say that it in way shape or form does not exist
    as they are writing in regards to this article over on Daily Kooks today.

  377. ShortTermer – I’m getting strange calls too – phone calls where when I call back, there’s no answer. They’re originating in NJ and one was from CA. I’ve looked at my credit cards, but don’t see a charge yet, and am worried this also has something to do with donating to Hillary.

  378. The tape is out there…I’m very familiar with these church groups they love to see themselves on tape and then see the tape to make money. I question is the tape in other people hands.

    I do believe it is, and I do understand why the Republicans are keeping it under wraps until after the convention.

    They have photos already on the net of the women speakers who where there and Michelle Obama is not that rare in the black communities…what is surprising is that the Democrats selected BO & MO to be in the White House with all their bitterness, bigotry and anti-American baggage. Don’t think they don’t have this baggage while they’re smiling and charming their way across the stage.

    Think of Spike Lee seeing racism behind every corner and you have Michelle Obama. Only she will be the next First Lady of the United States of KKKA…oops I mean the new United States of America.
    (For those who can’t see it…I’m being sarcastic)

  379. In Appeal to Angry Clinton Voters, Republicans Prep ClintonsForMcCain.com
    By Sarah Lai Stirland June 05, 2008 | 3:52:35
    http://www.blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/republican-nati.html

    On Monday, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain praised Democrat Hillary Clinton. “She has inspired generations of American women to believe that they can reach the highest office in this nation, and I respect her campaign, and I respect her,” he said.
    Associated Press/Gerald Herbert The Republican National Committee appears ready to roll out the red carpet for Hillary Clinton supporters, over a newly-registered internet domain ClintonsForMcCain.com.

    Though the web address does not yet go anywhere, the RNC registered the domain name on May 15, according to whois data from the registrar Network Solutions. That was nine days after Clinton’s disappointing showing in the North Carolina primary, which prompted NBC’s Tim Russert to declare the race effectively over for Clinton.

    An e-mail to two RNC officials about their plans went unanswered Thursday.

    The Republicans appear to be capitalizing on the bitter disappointment, anger and disillusionment that Clinton supporters are feeling right now. Much of it is on display on the web in the comments section on both Clinton’s website, as well as that of presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

    Many voters responding to Clinton’s last e-mail blast, which was also posted on her blog this morning, said that they couldn’t possibly vote for Barack Obama. Some of them said they would instead support his Republican rival.

    That’s despite Clinton saying in her note that she plans on rallying her supporters behind Obama this Saturday.

    “We love you Hillary and respect you for having to go along and support the Democratic Party, but we can’t,” wrote one poster named “caspercat,” one out of several expressing similar sentiments. “We just re-registered as an undeclared party and will not vote for Obama. If you do not get the nomination this time, you will be a shoo-in in 2012 after the Democratic Party takes a huge beating in November.”

    Meanwhile, Clinton supporters also appear to be checking in at the McCain campaign’s blog, and expressing their interest in the candidate.

    “So it’s general election time, and both candidates need a VP. Why not make the offer to Clinton to be the nominee on the McCain ticket?” asked trojan8080 on the McCain campaign blog. “If she says no, John McCain will look like the guy that really works across party lines.”

    “It also appears that Obama is simply too stupid (or worse, too arrogant) to see that he needs to offer her the VP nomination to unite the party,” wrote another commenter calling herself CincyLady. “This is why I would like to know who Mr. McCain will be offering the VP slot to for the Republicans. If it’s a woman, especially if it’s someone like Condoleeza Rice, I think I’d switch sides and then vote for McCain.”

    McCain stands on the polar opposite side of Clinton on some of the most important issues that will determine the future of this country — namely on the kind of justices that he would nominate to the Supreme Court. McCain also believes that Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision that upholds a woman’s right to choose, should be overturned.

    Noting this, another commenter on the McCain blog said: “McCain needs is a pick a centrist with a good history on women’s issues. If he promises not to pick a Court Justice to overturn Roe vs. Wade, he will easily pick up a majority of Clinton supporters. The DNC thinks it can treat a woman with great disregard without penalty. They think they will keep the women’s vote merely by the threat of more Supreme Court Justices that want to overturn Roe vs. Wade. McCain prove them wrong!”

  380. Quote:
    Home > Postcards > Archives > 2008 > June > 06 > Entry

    Some Clinton supporters say ‘no’ to Obama
    By David Shieh | Friday, June 6, 2008, 08:29 AM

    Although anticipation of Hillary Clinton’s expected endorsement of Barack Obama today seems to have dampened campaign fervor nationally, Clinton supporters in Austin are still enthusiastically supporting her — some even saying that an Obama ticket would not get their vote.

    Clinton Delegate Linda Seeliger from Austin, who clutched an “Austin 4 Hillary” sign as she waited to enter the convention space this morning, said Clinton’s expected endorsement of Obama today has had no effect on her enthusiasm for Clinton’s candidacy. Many Clinton supporters, Seeliger said, might even stay home from the polls if Obama gets the party nod.

    “We’re going to take direction from her — what she wants her supporters to do,” said Seeliger, whose friend and fellow Clinton delegate Judith Gedalia nodded in agreement. “But we’re not going to vote for Obama unless she’s on the ticket.”

    Gedalia said she was unsure whether she would vote for McCain or stay home from the polls — but others had already made that decision.

    Maryann Martinez of Houston, a Clinton alternate, said she would cross party lines and vote for McCain if Obama turns out to be the Democratic nominee.

    “I will always choose my country over a party,” said Martinez, who added that she supports Hillary because of her love for Bill Clinton. “I really think Obama is the worst thing that could happen to this country.”

    Martinez, who said she has been a lifelong Democrat, said FOX News’ reports on Obama and “all of the trash” that the network has unearthed has convinced her that McCain would be a better choice for the presidency.

    “I’m a patriot. I served in the U.S. military. And I respect John McCain for all the service he did,” Martinez said. “I think he’s a good man. I don’t really see him as an opposing person.”

    Not all Clinton delegates were ready to abandon Obama, though.

    Estelle Aleman of Midland, a Clinton delegate, said she will vote for whichever Democrat ends up on the ticket. She said that most Clinton supporters she knows would do so as well, and that people who would do otherwise were “narrow-minded.”

    “It does bother me that some people think that they’d rather go McCain than (Clinton} just because she didn’t win. That’s sad.”
    statesman.com

  381. I received this from Howard Dean. You don’t want to know what i told him

    Dear

    I wanted to drop you a quick note about a major policy change here at the Democratic Party.

    As we move toward the general election, the Democratic Party has to be the Party of ordinary Americans, not Washington lobbyists and special interests. So, as of this morning, if you’re a federal lobbyist, or if you control political action committee donations, we won’t be accepting your contribution.

    This is an unprecedented move for a political party to make — one that has sent shockwaves through Washington and has turned the debate on clean campaigns upside down. We’ve unilaterally agreed to shut lobbyists out of the process, and are we’re relying on people just like you.

    Just imagine what hundreds of thousands of Americans donating $20, $30, or $50 at a time can accomplish together. Imagine the signal that it sends to anyone who looks at John McCain’s political machine and the special interest money it needs to fuel every move it makes.

    We have a chance to change the way business is done in this country, and we’re taking the lead. Will you join us and make a contribution right now to help us elect Barack Obama?

    democrats.org/nonlobbyists

    I’ve written before about guys like Charlie Black and Rick Davis, lobbyists who are at the highest levels of McCain’s campaign. But they’re just the start — John McCain and the RNC suck up lobbyist money millions of dollars at a time.

    In May, McCain had his best fundraising month of the campaign, and it was directly because he refuses to shut special interests out.

    But we did, and we need your help. This is an example of the kind of White House Barack Obama would run. Make a contribution to help elect him:

    democrats.org/nonlobbyists

    I’ll be in touch later about our plans for the general election, but I wanted to let you know about our policy change right away.

    Thanks,

    Howard Dean

  382. gov crist joins lieberman in citizens for mccain
    For Immediate Release
    June 6, 2008 Contact: Press Office
    703-650-5550

    Statement By Governor Charlie Crist On “Citizens For McCain”

    ARLINGTON, VA — Governor Charlie Crist today issued the following statement to voters in Florida on joining “Citizens for McCain,” a new grassroots effort headed by Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to rally Americans of all political parties to support John McCain’s candidacy:

    “Now that we are beginning the general election, I would like to welcome every person, whether they are Democrat, Independent or supporters of Senators Clinton and Obama, to join the McCain campaign. Senator McCain has a long record of reaching across the aisle to work with Democrats to achieve bi-partisan results, and he has enjoyed the support of many Democrats over his years as a senator from Arizona and a candidate for president. We invite you to visit his website at http://www.johnmccain.com to learn more about John McCain’s positions on issues important to you and your family. I know that you will be comfortable supporting Senator McCain, because he will run a respectable campaign against Senator Obama focused on issues important to Floridians and all Americans.”

  383. neetabug

    I got the same email from Judas Dean

    and i am sure our replies were probably about the same…….some how though i don’t think they read any of them

    but…… NO MONEY IS LOUD AND CLEAR

  384. .“This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew.”.”
    This is not the grandmom I knew….
    This is not the Reverend I knew…..
    This is not the Pastor I knew…..
    This is not the Rezko I knew….
    “I Know Nothing! I see nothing! Nothing!” SGT Schulz

    OBAMA,S REHEARSED LINES

    After November, when the clueless electorate find out what Obama actually means by “change”, there will be a lot of people saying:
    “This isn’t the Barack Obama I knew.”

  385. from hillforum

    Vote, FOX News POLL: McCain’s Democrats

    ——————————————————————————–

    http://www.elections.foxnews.com/

    Will John McCain be able to attract a significant number of Hillary Clinton supporters to his campaign?

    Now:
    59% yes
    41% no

  386. can somebody please explain to me how bama can just “take control of the democratic party?” as was quoted on the news yesterday

  387. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
    can somebody please explain to me how bama can just “take control of the democratic party?” as was quoted on the news yesterday

    MONEY

  388. This is from some other blog (michelle malkin)ADMIN- pls delete if not acceptable –

    About Contact Archives RSS Columns Photos

    About Contact Archives RSS Columns Photos Michelle Malkin Oprah doing a “happy dance” for Obama
    By Michelle Malkin • June 6, 2008 06:39 AM Via US magazine, Oprah says she’s “euphoric” over her buddy Barack O’s triumph: “‘I’ve been doing the happy dance all day,’ she tells Entertainment Tonight.”

    Perhaps Oprah can invite the MSNBC producer who wept over Obama on her show.

    Next, they can interview Chris Matthews’ leg to discuss their collective state of enthrallment and en-tingle-ment.

    Finally, they can top off their Obamessiah worship with a screening of the Obama-in-jeans swagger video that had MSM female journalists moaning like the women from Sex in the City.

    ***

    Meanwhile, former ABC News reporter-turned-official-Obama-spokeswoman Linda Douglass was spotted shilling for her object of affection on her old network.

    Afterwards, I can well imagine, she did a revolving-door happy dance and practiced the patented Obama fist bump of hope with her Obamedia colleagues.

    ***
    Bonus video. Guaranteed to send your coffee up through your nose. For those of you who grew up watching “The Fresh Prince of Bel Air,” here’s Carlton’s famous Oprah Dance:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz4LwOrnS44

  389. the quote bo “took control of the DNC”. It sounds a bit coup like. I am so sick of this shit.

  390. Absolutely stunning to me that the MSM ignores the fact that Obama is getting no “bump” whatsoever from his newfound “presumptive nominee” status in the polls. McCain is STILL beating him!!! This should be Obama’s moment, his high-water mark, after taking a victory lap and the soaring speech in Minneapolis. Instead, the polls show that Obama’s support has cratered and he can’t seal the deal. The guy is the most unelectable Democrat we’ve nominated since, well, Dukakis.

  391. the quote bo “took control of the DNC”.

    And he’s welcome to it. I’m relishing being an Independent more and more every minute.

  392. I am in such shock….. Maya Angelou endorsed BO

    I don’t find it particularly shocking. MANY democrats will back whoever is the presumptive nominee. For some, party loyalty comes first. They are free to make their choices, just as I am free to make mine.

  393. IDUNN….. i guess i wrote that as snark…….but i admit i am tad bit shocked
    or perhaps a better word for what i feel is disapointed.

  394. i’m sure this must have been posted here, but i am to damn lazy
    to go back over the thread to find out… 🙂
    RIVERDAUGHTER:
    *****************************************************

    Welcome all you newly “unaffiliated” voters! If you’re like me, you realized sometime in the last couple of months that you are part of the “old coalition” of the Democratic party. But you’re not cool enough to be courted by the “new coalition” because you’re working class, gay, hispanic, asian, a woman, old or a brilliant combination of an *uneducated* working class, sino-peruvian lesbian. And you said, “Um, that’s not really who I am” Actually, that’s NOT who I am, except for the woman part. (Lemme check *peeking down shirt* Yep, I’m a woman)

    I’m getting kind of tired of being written off by my party except for the whole, “We need your vote” thing. I want my nominee to pander to me. I want him to make me promises he does not intend to keep. I want to sit at the cool lunchtable. So, today, I am registering as an “unaffiliated” voter. I mean, I’m a well-paid, suburbanite, college educated, working in a very creative field and I can shoot latte like the best of them. Plus, my boobs don’t sag so I will fit right in with all of the other Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Models with PhDs in Architecture that Obama has in his plus column.

    Now that I am “unaffiliated”, I’m like one of those really attractive singles on hot dating sites. Obama is going to want my vote big time. When I was just a Democrat, I was completely unsexy. But I have shed that old skin, sort of like dermal abrasion, and I’m brand sparkling new and beautiful and so much smarter than I was just a few minutes ago. And my mind is suddenly unburdened. Yeah! I’m no longer worried about Social Security because that was the *old coalition’s” problem. Or universal healthcare because shared responsibility means that I might actually have to acknowledge the working class. Or high gas prices, because if people are spending too much on gas to drive to work, they should just buy a house closer to each of their jobs. Duh!

    Any day now, Obama supporters will be knocking at my door and ask me to get a membership in their exclusive club. I will be treated like a queen once they scan the voter’s rolls in NJ and see my name. It will be like, “Oooo, Riverdaughter is a “creative class” unaffiliated. Well, we must really ask her to do a round of golf with us or share a latte.” I will be pampered and courted and made to feel better than all of you losers who comment on this blog.

    Soon, I will not be able to associate with you or will only be able to sneer disdainfully at you in passing. Who needs real Democrats when you can win without them?

    ——————————————————————————–

  395. skmf12,

    PUMA has another excellent article today!

    Our spike in readership continues. Surprisingly few of us have decided to leave us for the Obama camp. We are resolved to see this through.

    Let us be clear what this is all about for those of you who wander in here looking for an argument. The problem is the party itself. 2008 was the year that the party abandoned its principles. It is no longer the party of FDR and shared responsibility. Now, it is the party of wannabe rich libertarian Democrats. It is the party of the Ariana Huffingtons who, dissatisfied with her own party, have decided to steal someone else’s. It isn’t the party that nearly elected Bobby Kennedy. It is the party that is about to write off Appalachia. Good riddance, poor working people! You’re on your own now. It isn’t the party that made social security sacred. It is the party that might very well start tinkering with it because the young and well off don’t understand the concept of shared responsibility and insurance. And speaking of insurance, well, don’t expect the health insurance crisis to get any better. That would have called for everyone to be covered and we won’t be going there with Obama.

    The problem with Obama and the new Democratic party is that it doesn’t stand for real Democrats. It is yet another strange amalgamation of voters whose self interest was pandered to. In many ways, it is no different than the Republican party of gilded capitalists, religious crazies and neocons. This new Democratic party is made up of young people, libertarians and pretentious status conscious liberals. There is a nasty streak of cynicism in it as well, as if it’s just so outre to consider helping the poor or abiding by any core Democratic principles. The new Democratic party is just too cool for that. They can write some lengthy, detached policy paper about it and pay some lip service but really, the American demographic has evolved and those people on the brink of insolvency, well, they are the Neanderthals that didn’t make the cut. Moving on.

    The PUMA movement is not about revenge. It is not about racism. It’s not about being immature. It is about holding the Democratic accountable for abandoning its principles and the people who strengthened its foundations. It is about not rewarding a Party that uses voter suppression techniques on its own members. We want to belong to a party that respects us and works with and for us. We don’t want to hand over our votes without representation.

    It will either represent us again or it will have to be restructured. That is what PUMA is all about. This goes beyond Obama and Hillary at this point. And from the looks of things, we have a lot of members already.

    PUMA Power!

  396. Wbboei at 12:41…hi, I was the writer of that post you mention at Washingtonpost.com…I sent that to EJ Dionne in regards to the article he wrote about Hill titled ‘Look what they have done to her”

    here it is in its entirety…5-29-08 EJ Dionne look what they have done to her
    Hello EJ,

    …seems like journalists and reporters are all starting to write about this topic…interesting how you, Tapper, Cilizza, etc are all commenting on the ‘impression’ of how badly Hillary has been treated…I find it odd how there still seems to be a hint of condescension in the articles…as if, this is what Hillary and her supporters are imagining…or this is what Hillary wants the DNC to believe…

    I think the female politicians that you spoke with gave you a clue to the tip of the iceberg that is surfacing out there in the real world of people and voters…you know, like the 17 million that actually voted for Hillary…

    …the one miscue I believe in your article is the media is still trying to shift the responsibility from Obama…I hear this constantly…Hillary does something and we hear about it nonstop for four days and cable tv assembles panels to discuss what she did and how horrible she is…Barak Obama does something or another pastor disaster issue arises and cable tv shrugs and literally says ‘does it really even matter?’

    …well guess what, yes it really matters…and the flee of women from Obama is because of Obama…the media hasn’t helped but give women enough credit to understand why they oppose someone…we see through this facade that has been created…

    Obama has set a tone in his camp from the start that exploited the Hillary and Bill hate…he allowed the race baiting to begin when Hillary won NH and Eugene Robinson and Chris Matthews, instead of making a big deal out of the first woman to have won a major primary….no, instead they introduced that night, ‘The Bradley Effect’ and then Dennis Kucinich and the Obama camp called for a recount in NH…from that point on Hillary was a racist, she would ‘periodically’ get emotional according to Obama, and of course you know the rest…a bitch, a f’ing whore, pimped her daughter, on and on…

    Obama encouraged all of this, mocking her as Annie Oakley…brushing her off his shoulder…always referring to her as ‘she’ with no deference or respect…all you have to do is read any of the comments from his supporters…they are filled with anger, sexism and hate…and a lot of the hate is directed at Hillary…so much for unity, hope and civility…a real leader would have spoken up long ago and nipped that it the bud…but Obama fanned the flames…he even exploited RFK’s memory in an attempt to finish off Hillary while pushing the story with the media…

    …and that is the real untold story…how the Obama camp has marketed this camp of hope, change, unity when in fact it is filled with anger, rage, hate, revenge…just listen to the latest from his church of 20 years…

    …so women know why they feel the way they do and they understand who inspired those perceptions…and give women credit…we are not going to be charmed, or threatened by Roe vs Wade, to support a candidate that we do not believe in…the big misconception the media has been pushing is that voters were voting against Obama but the truth the media cannot stand to accept is that those voters were (and still are). voting FOR HILLARY…we like her, we admire and respect her contrary to being told over and over that she has high negatives, is polarizing and that no one likes her…her supporters do…

    …I think many of those voters will become independents, stay home and some will become McCain Democrats…there is a very real disappointment and frustration for the direction the DNC is taking this so-called new Democratic Party…

    and just for good measure…at the suggestion of someone here or at TM…i sent my ‘two cents’ off to Jeffrey Toobin as follows:

    Hello Jeffrey,

    …just a quick note to let you know that for many of us out here in the real world…you and the ‘journalists’ and “commentators” on CNN and MSNBC sound like a bunch of teenagers…you sound like a bunch of kids trying to outdo each other in who can land the best attack and insult on Hillary the Clinton, the media’s easy and favorite target…

    …if there was any attempt at fairness or objectivity then perhaps these “panels” on CNN and MSNBC would have some merit…however it is so blatantly obvious that all of you are taking sides…

    Donna Brazile, please, Gloria, Jack Cafferty and snarky little Anderson…and what in the world happened to David Gergen…I used to respect his integrity…

    …now you all look and sound like the gossiping vultures you are…

    so sad, so pathetic…and what a terrible example you set for the young people watching…somehow, so unAmerican…so predictable…

    it must gall you all that 18 million still voted for her even though you all have told them night after night how bad she is…as for calling Hillary a ‘deranged narcissist’…check mirror…how dare you?

  397. Good article by Howard Kurtz (though the original title was the offensive “Hey, Ho, Please Don’t Go”). I think the media’s going to realize very soon that people are going to turn off their TV’s even more because it was Hillary, not BO, that was driving up ratings. I for one will not watch a BO v. MC matchup – BORING.

    to read the rest, go to the link:
    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/06/06/BL2008060601601.html

    PLEASE DON’T GO

    By Howard Kurtz
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, June 6, 2008; 3:03 PM

    If, as this vexing veep search plays out, Barack Obama eventually picks someone other than Hillary Clinton, anyone else, to be his running mate, it could have a devastating impact on part of the nation’s economy.

    What would the media do?

    I mean, really: How could we fill airtime and column inches without the Clintonian soap opera? How could pundits draw paychecks without asking what Hillary really wants? How could we fulfill our First Amendment responsibilities without wildly speculating about the role of Bill Clinton in an Obama administration?

  398. ADMIN –

    Could you pls post some /a lot of pictures of HILLARY CLINTON,and her family and campaign .

    i just saw one at CNN, she is in blue ,smiling ,needless to say , i was in tears , this is one heck of a woman , always smiling , always ready to go, always have answers to every question asked not like OBAMA-UH–UMMMM. i mean , she really inspired me and i don,t care if any media panders her now ,media,s sexism and biased will never be forgotten and forgiven .

    Because there will never be another woman who can be even close to HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

  399. The Economist, Wonkette, New Republic, Huff n’ Puff, DailyKooks have all written about Big Pink yesterday. Most of it was mocking. They are all offended we wrote “When Will Obama Concede? They do not understand our point that Obama will concede the race – the question is when – now or in NOvember.

    The only article that understands the anger and the growth of La Resistance, is published in – appropriately enough, Le Monde:

    http://america.blog.lemonde.fr/2008/06/06/clinton-supporters-for-mccain-combien-de-divisions/

  400. Skyrocketing oil prices and a weak job market sent the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 348.07 points in recent trading, off 2.8%, at 12256.38, with all 30 of its blue-chip components posting losses. The S&P 500 dropped 2.5%, or 35.43 points, to 1368.62, with all of its sectors trading lower. The technology-focused Nasdaq Composite Index was off 2.8%, or 62.00 points, at 2487.94.

    Do you guys believe the economic and geopolitical anxiety is truly a blessing for Obama??

    Looks to me the Obamabots are counting on the only card which can carry them through the Nov.

  401. ADMIN also ,

    may be have a section of all youtube videos .

    The ones where it shows how media / obamas / dnc /obamabots / or anybody who is lied about clintons,or biased to obamas, used sexist remarks, insulted clintons,

    You know ,just as a forever reminder to all 18 million voters of hillary ,so they know not to listen to obama,s fake love speeches and media,s pandering .

  402. I really feel invisible now .

    Seriously ,more and more media talks about HILLARY conceding

    more and more i feel like i am invisible

    i felt a hope for good future for all americans and esp women in this country(with hillary as future president) ,and and it feels like media/dnc/sexism took that roof off of my head .

  403. Well, the GOOD news is: if he DOES get elected, we’ll be among the handful of sane folks who won’t put on the black nikes, lay down, and wait for the mothership to come take us home. 😉

  404. JUst heard on Fox News, we lost 49000 jobs, we are at 5.5 unemployment. We are in two wars. Our country is in shambles, and what did the DNC Roolz committee decide, they decided to put the inexperienced one in even after the people have voted for the other one. The best the republicans could do is put someone in that admits he knows nothing about the economy!

    Is this a huge mess or what!:(

  405. great video ADMIN. I just told the filmmaker though that MO went to Princeton, not Harvard.

    Other than that, this is VERY catchy.

  406. ADMIN…….. thanks for that awesome video!! LOL

    # Idunn Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Well, the GOOD news is: if he DOES get elected, we’ll be among the handful of sane folks who won’t put on the black nikes, lay down, and wait for the mothership to come take us home. 😉

    OMG YOU CRACK ME UP!!!! LMAO!!

  407. SO want has that got to do with us. If Hillary suspend her Campaign and support the MORALLY BANRUPTED DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I’ll still LOVE her but my COUNTRY comes FIRST and not the PARTY.

    The more I read about McCain, the more I like him. He’s a great American who has put COUNTRY above PARTY many times and has cost him dearly.

    I feel very LIBERATED and can vote and support Sen. JOHN MCCAIN if BAMBI is the NOMINEE and NOT CLINTON it’s up to the SD’s to do want is right.

    Since, my faith on that is small, my CONVICTION is that I’ll Be VOTING FOR McCain this November as a PROUD DEMOCRAT.

    THE DNC AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CAN TAKE THEIR MYSOGINY and BIGOTRY and WATCH McCain take the Oath of Office next Jan./2009.

  408. Here’s a petition for starts:

    h t t p : / / http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillarynovp/


    Hillary, Don’t Be VP!

    Hillary, don’t take a VP slot. Stay in the Senate (or retire or go worldwide).

    We won’t let you sacrifice your own future to prop up Obama.

    No Remington Steele presidency!

    ——————-

    1950democrat/at/gmail/com

    I think I can adjust the text later, any suggestions?

  409. Carby, I have ALOT of respect for John McCain. ALOT. But we are about as politically polar opposite as two people can get. That leaves me with NO choice in NOvember I can truly feel comfortable making. What it now has to come down to, FOR ME, is: Do I think McCain would be a greater danger than Obama? I don’t. So…as much as it pains me to do so, I will reluctantly throw my support behind McCain and hope for a short 4 years.

  410. commenter on the McCain blog said: “McCain needs is a pick a centrist with a good history on women’s issues. If he promises not to pick a Court Justice to overturn Roe vs. Wade, he will easily pick up a majority of Clinton supporters. The DNC thinks it can treat a woman with great disregard without penalty. They think they will keep the women’s vote merely by the threat of more Supreme Court Justices that want to overturn Roe vs. Wade. McCain prove them wrong!”

    Oh, good point! So by selling our vote to McCain for a good pledge, we can get rid of Obama/Pelosi AND get a good deal from the GOP both!

  411. I found Taylormarsh is sort of dumb. I mean, she was a fervent Hillary supporter, and seemed to despise Obama with a passion, now all the sudden, she’s urging unity…

    I mean, she admitted that she was doing great financially when many Hillary supporters sought refugees there during primary fight. But soon, her site is going to morph into a mini dailykos, and all’s been left is a few obamabots.

    I really don’t understand her strategy. Maybe Obama will start to foot her bill?

    Another interesting observation is Obama’s fundraising… McCain’s fundraising is picking up pace gradually. Obama’s been in decline month over month. McCain released his May #, around $21 million, but Obama campaign has not released any number yet. You would believe his campaign will broadcast how many millions he has hauled after clinching the nomination on Tuesday. But so far, it’s been very quiet.

  412. 1950democrat you pretty much nailed it.

    If Obama is the nominee I would rather have Hillary in the Senat because we are going to need her leadership. If the Dems don’t use Hillary then this party is toasted because they are putting their egos ahead of what is best for the country and for the people their serve.

    Obambi won’t be president because he has NO EXPERIECE or RECORD. He was MANUFACTURED by the HARD LEFT to push their agenda and the more this becomes focus on Obama vs McCain…more sanity will start to occur from those suffering from guilt or brainwashing.

    We people start wanting answer and results I don’t care how cute you are or how FAKE CHARMING YOU SEEM…IT’S GOING TO BE ABOUT THEIR SURVIVAL.

    Blacks will be the first one jumping off the bus if Obambi can’t deliever on his “Hope and Change” platfoom of do nothingness. Breadlines are not fun. All those College Student and their Student Loans THAT can not be desolved and they can not get any jobs will be jumping off the Obambi koolaid too.

    So to the DNC and the rest…Float on, float on in the delusion because REALITY will be a BITCH.

  413. 1950democrat ,

    I don’t believe McCain will pick a ‘centralist’ running mate. He’s already had a major problem with the conservatives. Election is about math. It’s always a trade-off between attracting Hillary dems and the conservatives. Conservatives are not keen on him, and there’s a major enthuisaism gap there. Organization, turnout of your base does matter a lot in a close election. McCain can’t afford to turn off more conservatives.

    The supreme court worry is moot. There’s no way in hell McCain can nominate a conservative judge as dems are going to control senate by an even bigger margin.

    I believe McCain will choose a woman, probably Sarah Palin from Alaska if Hillary is not on the ticket. That’s going to be a chessmate move on McCain’s part, and it’s going to be very juicy. From my understanding, Sarah is very good, although she’s a conservative. She has a very compelling story line. I believe many of Hillary’s women supporters will take a closer eye on McCain if he chooses Sarah.

  414. It’s just a little hard for me that people have such a “difficult” time understanding our resistance to obama, but then brains is not the strong suit of that group. Let’s start from the fact that the race was stolen from Senator Clinton. Let’s add his obvious baggage beginning with his political origins in a cesspool of Chicago politics. Let us add his associations in the swill of Chicago and to that the fact that he appeals to crowds of thousands under the guise of being the product of the small donors but, in fact, is financed by the radical left-overs. He does not represent real democrats who care about everyday people. Let us include the fact that our candidate was never treated fairly in the race, has been continually been trashed, misrepresented, put-down, condescended to, lied about, discussed in the most of demeaning in terms, represented through obscene words and graphics – words that you would never say about your mother or in front of your children. The misogyny that this race has exposed is not just going to go away because Hillary waves a magic wand over BO’s head. His baggage won’t go away either. Maybe they have some special drink for us that will erase our memories of a candidate who never once reached out to women who were being discussed in the most demeaning terms while allowing his surrogates to shout racist everytime he was criticized. Sorry, we aren’t forgivin’ or forgettin’.

  415. Mnay independents are finding it hard to wrap their minds around a bambi presidency with puglosi in charge of the house and reid the senate. They say it would be a national disaster and I found it difficult to disagree. Meanwhile the dow endorsed bambi today with a 400 point drop ghosts of christmases to come.

  416. I’ll say this, if so-called Hillary democrats help deliver an election victory to McCain. Expect republican party be diluted by moderates, and moderates will for the first time have a say on their party. The conservatives will be ushered to the back of the bus since they’re no longer the deciding factor of an election.

    In a sense, the exodus of Hillary democrats to GOP is a good for the country.

  417. So, Obama has “taken over” the DNC; what a coup! Am I the only one that is afraid for my country? I look in the eyes of my greatest love who is a two-year-old, the youngest of my family line, those eyes are so trusting and it makes me cry. All I can ask myself right now, is how did this happen and how can we undo all the damage that has been done and yet to be done-before it is too late.

    On the same page as Susan B Anthony’s obituary posted in the NYT on March 3, 1903 and located at the Library of Congress online, Anna Shaw was mentioned and then she responded below the text of the obituary. Susan B Anthony is quoted, “Write to Anna Shaw immediately, and tell her I desire that every cent I leave when I pass out of this life shall be given to the fund which Miss Thomas and Miss Garrett are raising for the cause. I have given my life and all I am to it, and now I want my last act to be to give it all I have, to the last cent. Tell Anna Shaw to see that this is done.”

    Miss Shaw said:

    “On Sunday, about two hours before she became unconscious, I talked with Miss Anthony, and she said: ‘To think I have had more than sixty years of hard struggle for a little liberty, and then to die without it seems so cruel.”

    We must fight for however long it takes to make these wrongs righted.

    John McCain need to heed the warning about not agreeing to terms of campaign that can be stuck to him later, all he and his staff need to do is look back on how the DNC/Obama handcuffed Hillary, i.e. took two big states out of play that would and did go for her, made it impossible for her to talk about how historic this run for for the American woman, implant the idea that it was the POPULAR vote that counts when he was behind in delegates and did a reverse when he was ahead in delegates but behind in popular vote, and then the DNC/Obama processed the elimination of Fair Reflection of the MI/FL votes while stealing 4 delegates from Hillary and putting them in his column, you know the rest, etc.

    What do Hillary supporters think of the DNC after they let themselves be hijacked by Obama?

  418. Molly,
    I’m with you. I just want to remind the Obama leaner’s that McCain defended Senator Clinton after Pfleger’s remarks. Obama was only worried about how it reflected on him.He said not one word in defense of Hillary. I will never forget that. I don’t care how syrupy and sweetly he asks for my vote. Obama, you are the weakest link. Goodbye!

  419. Admin – Hillaryis44 will always be the truth. Had this nomination not been stolen from her, she would’ve been our greatest President. She is 44.

  420. what do the letters PUMA actually stand for again?

    I want to send that great post by

    kostner Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm off to my friends

  421. More outright lies from Ben Smith at Politico, who writes:

    “But there has been virtually no sign of interest from Obama’s camp of bringing the Clintons on board. ”

    —-
    Um, what about Obama’s statement, made not once, but twice, that Hillary would appear on “anyone’s” short list for Vice President? I love how the chattering class at Politico always tries to make things about 100x more complex than they actually are.

  422. confloyd…….very well put! We are all going down with the ship and we’re supposed to vote the third asst. purser (who has been fiddling with the money) in as Captain.

  423. Okay, I just did another petition along with the first one.

    h t t p : / / http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nohillaryvp/


    NO Obama/Clinton

    For differing reasons, we oppose having Hillary Clinton as VP on an Obama ticket.

    Signers include both supporters and opponents of Hillary Clinton. Opponents may think she would detract from the ticket; supporters may think she could use her time better in the Senate or elsewhere.

  424. Wbboei at 12:41…hi, I was the writer of that post you mention at Washingtonpost.com…I sent that to EJ Dionne in regards to the article he wrote about Hill titled ‘Look what they have done to her”
    ————————————————
    S: your comments are brilliant. I was so impressed with them that I sent a copy of it to all the superdelegates in the Washington State Delegation who supported Hillary but because I was unaware of who wrote them so I merely said they were by a very perceptive commentor. In my book you are far more than that because you have that wonderful ability to cut to the core of the issue. I keep a copy handy along with the Hating Hillary article to throw in the faces of the people who say Hillary was treated fairly an gender was not a factor in this race. Fantastic work.

  425. S Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    what do the letters PUMA actually stand for again?

    I want to send that great post by

    kostner Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm off to my friends

    ==================================

    Party Unity My Ass!

    Great project. See
    h t t p : / / blog.pumapac.org/

  426. The DNC is dead to me. They don’t want me, I don’t want them.

    BTW, Admin, I tried to link to the LeMonde article, but alas, I don’t read French. :).

    The video was great.

  427. kostner Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I’ll say this, if so-called Hillary democrats help deliver an election victory to McCain. Expect republican party be diluted by moderates, and moderates will for the first time have a say on their party. The conservatives will be ushered to the back of the bus since they’re no longer the deciding factor of an election.

    In a sense, the exodus of Hillary democrats to GOP is a good for the country.
    =====================================

    Damn right! Like the old joke about the moron who went from Texas to Oklahoma and raised the average IQ of both states.

    We’re also making both parties cleaner — get rid of the Brazile/Pelosi faction from the Dems, bring in cleaner GOPs with McCain.

    Just so it’s clear who we are and why we are defecting!

    Well, or become Independents, so both sides can court us in future.

  428. Good article:
    read the rest at prospect.org/cs/articles?article=seven_ways_hillary_clinton_changed_our_politics

    Seven Ways Hillary Clinton Changed Our Politics

    Political writers and policy thinkers weigh in.

    Hillary Clinton will announce tomorrow that she is suspending her presidential campaign. We asked seven leading political writers and policy thinkers to tell us one key way Clinton affected the 2008 Election, and progressive politics, over the course of the primary. Here’s what they had to say:

    K.A. Geier: She Was a Front-runner, and She Stood Up For Women’s Rights
    Christopher Hayes: She Made Us Talk About Sexism
    Ed Kilgore: She Helped Create a United Democratic Front on Iraq
    Paul Starr: She Figured Out Health Care
    Rebecca Traister: She Kept Voters, and the Candidates, Engaged Until the End
    Moira Whelan: She Provided Leadership on National Security Issues
    Kai Wright: She Made Us Reconsider Whether Progressives Understand Race

    She Was a Front-runner, and She Stood Up For Women’s Rights

    The list of women who have run for president of the United States is surprisingly long. But there were two things about Hillary Clinton that stood out. First, unlike Shirley Chisholm or Pat Schroeder, Clinton was a front-runner. And unlike, say, Elizabeth Dole, Clinton’s campaign was not just about elevating her personally; it was about elevating the status of all women. Clinton’s most influential advisers have always included many women. Even more important, the policies she has advocated have been aimed at improving the status of women as a class.

    Clinton has always been staunchly pro-choice, but her feminist agenda went far beyond that. Clinton has been a strong advocate of expanding the Family and Medical Leave Act, guaranteed paid sick leave, promoting workplace flexibility, and outlawing workplace discrimination against parents. She has also championed universal pre-K and high-quality child care, providing reproductive and other health care services for women in the U.S. and greater access to reproductive health care overseas, fighting AIDS in the U.S. and globally, and expanding women’s opportunity as a tool for global economic development.

  429. Well it looks like the REZKO affair has Barack worried before he takes the oath.Just saw a bit of the weazle Blitzer covering a speech where Obamz is going after the Teachers unions by proposing a $4k per year credit for college students and raises for all teachers.The plan will cost $18B per year.He was part of the great conspiracy of the Chicago Mob and its crooked political supporters.They cheated the teachers union investment funds out billions.Perhaps he is hoping to stop the stuff from the fan when REZKO starts the Canary warbling for a plea bargain.SEE WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU FAIL TO VETT. What a real loser the DNC has arranged to MAYBE become our next empty suit in the Oval Office. Folks, read the Evelyn Pringle court records and the Chicago Tribune Trial coverage.IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE.Get the point?
    Still have faith in our Hillary and her real political savvy to be the winner By HOOK FOR A CROOK

    By ABM90 I am happy watching all these facts unfolding and our girl WILL Be 44

  430. As for Angelou endorsing Waffles, she probably talked to HRC about it first. I’m not offended.

  431. Dunno much about this Alaska beauty queen governor. But McCain choosing a GOOD woman VP would be a very solid incentive to offer us defectors.

    If he just promises something about what judges he will appoint, he could always go back on that later. But a reasonable woman VP would be permanent!

  432. tm’s site is becomming a mini dkos guys. im so angry. but here si a reminder of what she used to say-american before democrat—

    For those saying Traitor Marsh has been saying since the beginning that she would support any Dem nominee…she is lying to you! Read what she wrote on January 25th 2008-

    Quote:

    American First, Democrat Second

    I have to ask people attacking Bill Clinton, which has become the cool thing to do everywhere, if his politics is “old” why has Barack Obama and his campaign been engaged in the same type of politics since the beginning (from June 2007, D-Punjab, or Obama’s false charge that Bill Clinton made money on 9/11). This from a campaign whose propaganda touts being the “politics of change.” Why is Hillary Clinton’s campaign held to one standard, with Obama held to another? And as far as labeling a Democrat running as a Republican, Paul Waldman points to the wrong Democrat. This type of argument is permeating the political landscape right now on both sides of the aisle. It is not winning any points with me. In fact, both sides have me looking for an exit.

    Rush Limbaugh once again showed his disdain for veterans and military heroes, when on his show yesterday he let fly this swiftboating slur against John McCain:

    I want to hear from Senator McCain on his opposition to tax cuts. I want to hear the domestic side, and I would hope that he would speak loudly and openly and honestly about his domestic record, not spin it, certainly not deny it, but give Republican voters in Florida some straight talk on the record. He can surround himself with the Schwarzkopf and the generals and so forth and the POW stuff, which we all admire and respect. … ..

    McCain can surround himself with the Schwarzkopf and the generals and so forth and the POW stuff. Seriously? “POW stuff.” John McCain almost died through torture by our enemies during a war in which he excelled in bravery. Obviously, Rush Limbaugh has decided that not only will he swiftboat John McCain on tax cuts, something that McCain is for and has proposed though with spending cuts too, but Limbaugh will take down a brave veteran who almost died for this country to do it. All for Romney, Slick Mitt Romney, who was pro choice, pro gay rights, pro government funded health care, and who is buying the Republican nomination? This is how low the Republican party will stoop to take down a veteran who has a mind of his own. There’s a reason Romney’s own can’t stand him, but Rush and the other wingnuts on radio will prop him up, using a gallant veteran to do it. Rush Limbaugh’s attacks on McCain’s suffering for his country are unconscionable. No veteran deserves the Rush military treatment, which happens every time a veteran or soldier dares to have an opinion for him- or herself. For that cowardly, boil on his butt, draft dodging blowhard to utter that McCain can “surround himself with the Schwarzkopf and the generals and so forth and the POW stuff,” and have his listeners and the conservative base applaud, sickens me. It is nothing short of anti-Americanism. I say this as someone who disagrees with McCain on just about every issue, minus torture and veterans aid.

    It’s part of the reason so many Democrats don’t understand what I do around here and on radio, especially when covering the Democratic primary race, so let me lay it out for everyone.

    I’m an American first. I will not support my party no matter what, or someone in my party who is doing what I believe is horrendously destructive things to the ideals I hold dear. I have no intention of stuffing my beliefs back in a bag in the name of party unity. On this I stand with the Founders who weren’t all that crazy about political affiliation. I have absolutely no intention of backing someone who believes Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years. As a Reagan Democrat, I know that dog whistle, baby, and I’m running in the other direction. Someone who takes Democrats for granted in order to reach out to independents and Republicans to get the Democratic nomination holds no sway over me. It’s also not my job to unify the Democratic party. And anyone who can say that Reagan transformed the political landscape over Bill Clinton scares the ideological crap out of me, and I say this knowing all of Bill Clinton’s shortcomings. But they don’t come close to Reagan’s. As a recovered Reagan Democrat, I know this all too well.

    What is missing in the alarming nature of Barack Obama’s comments about Reagan is that Obama’s defense today is packaged in propaganda. That doesn’t seem to matter, because most everyone is lapping it up. But anyone wanting to be honest about his pandering Reagan shtick in front of the Reno editorial board will have no choice but to admit that he was saying that Republicans had the ideas of the last 10-15 years, while Bill Clinton’s presidency did not, in order to get their endorsement in hopes of winning Nevada. Nobody mentions this part of it. Obama’s sycophancy over Reagan got him into this mess. He was hoisted on his pandering petard and rightly so. If you think standing up for President Clinton’s presidency is wrong in the face of what Obama said then you don’t understand the harm the Reagan administration did to this country, or what Clinton meant to many. The wingnuts didn’t target Bill and Hillary Clinton for eight long years for nothing.

    As for Bill’s “old” politics, as Howard Wolfson rightly said in a long, spirited media conference call yesterday, which happened right after my radio show, Obama’s campaign has been running a “sub-rosa campaign against Bill Clinton” for a long time. Now it’s out in the open. Are the Clintons not supposed to respond? Are Democrats who believe in our ideology not supposed to take offense at Obama’s Reagan usage in order to win? Hillary said Democrats will be united in November. Obama said he knew he could get Hillary supporters, but he wasn’t sure she could get his supporters. That’s because Mr. Obama is taking Democratic primary voters as a gimme, while hoping independents and Republicans will hand him our nomination. After all, Democratic primary voters will always vote for the person with the “D.” Sorry, no sale here. I believe our ideology should be represented by a nominee who doesn’t run from it to be all things to all people, so if our nominee can’t sell our great ideas then maybe we deserve to lose. Obama seems to be saying that our ideas aren’t strong enough to win on their own, so through the magnetism of his personality we will prevail.

    A lot of people seem concerned that we won’t all be able to come together in November. That some points shouldn’t be made because it’s targeting a fellow Democrat. That being a good Democrat is what’s important. Or that I’m going after Obama just because and only because I’m a Clinton partisan. If that’s the case you don’t understand who I am and what I do, which is likely my fault for not being clearer about it. That’s the purpose of this post in part. My job is not unification of the Democratic party. So when I see a fellow Democrat who wants to be our nominee putting Reagan up as an example in order to win a certain state, while dissing the only two term Democratic president since F.D.R. in the process, excuse me if I’m not impressed. I’m also not so stupid as to believe the talking points of the press and other so called commentators and political writers who are excusing it by helping to parse Mr. Obama’s words, putting forth Obama’s supposed real and actual meaning of what he meant when citing Reagan. He got caught pandering, using Reagan as the high mark in order to get another win under his belt, and he used Bill Clinton to make the point, because he thought the people he was talking to preferred Reagan over Clinton. Everything else is just noise.

    In addition, all this blather from Obama surrogates that Bill Clinton is “lying” about Obama on Iraq is being offered without one specific example of what Mr. Clinton lied about. As I’ve written many times, Obama did take his 2002 speech of his website. Obama and Clinton have the exact same votes on Iraq. He’s done nothing in the leadership department to get us out of Iraq. The talking point that he’s some big anti war leader on Iraq is simply fantasy. It doesn’t matter what Ed Schultz, Claire McCaskill, Tom Daschle or Patrick Leahy, all of whom are Obama supporters, say. Nothing Bill Clinton said about Obama on Iraq is factually inaccurate. Having Ed Schultz yell louder than someone else on “Hardball” doesn’t make it so.

    The Republicans are taking out after McCain, with the likes of Rush Limbaugh using language that not only swiftboats a fine veteran on the most critical issue to Republicans, taxes, but he does so with an insulting, anti military, egregiously disdainful attack on a man who almost died while he was a POW. I reject this type of politics and I will come to McCain’s defense in light of it. This isn’t about politics alone when people stoop to this level. It’s about decency and morality, of which Rush Limbaugh has neither.

    Democrats have a main contender for the nomination of the party who touts Ronald Reagan in order to get an endorsement and to court conservatives, while trashing the only two term Democratic president since F.D.R., while simultaneously saying the first viable female candidate to have a chance at being commander in chief may not be trustworthy enough to handle secret intelligence. Contrary to what some believe, this isn’t just some petty intra-party squabble among leading Democrats and progressives for me. It’s a philosophical point of no return; a line in the sand that has been crossed, which makes me reject Barack Obama for putting it into the political bloodstream all so he could win Nevada. Just as he ran to the Christian Broadcasting Network to question whether his supporters would back Clinton, Obama’s divisiveness belies his “politics of hope.” That he would also use Reagan, plus wingnut talking points on national security to target the first viable woman commander in chief, puts in question for me the importance of nominating a Democrat like this just to put our party in power in November. It was Obama that got us into this situation not Hillary Clinton. It’s making the case that someone of questionable ideological intent, because he has a “D” attached to his political affiliation, should get a pass, and that doing otherwise renders me a bad Democrat. Well, then call me a patriotic American instead, because I will not be party to such wholesale sell off of what I hold dear.

    I have been a Democrat for a very long time, a proud liberal, or progressive if you prefer, ever since I learned the realities of Ronald Reagan after becoming a Reagan Democrat in 1980. But I have been an American for a lot longer and to that I owe my original allegiance. When I hear a fellow Democrat again trumpeting Reagan’s name all I hear is a high pitched whistle. I am not here for the glory of some faint notion of progressive unity. I’m sacrificing, as is my husband, financial security, our future economic security, and every hour of my waking day to put this country on a new path. Regardless of someone claiming to be a Democrat, I will not fall in line for the sake of unity for someone who puts Ronald Reagan above Bill Clinton, and uses his campaign to attack, malign and misrepresent a president that with all his faults, gave his very best for his country, left it in thriving economic health, with our reputation around the world at its highest, with middle class people everywhere in better shape than when he arrived. I also will not support anyone who casts aspersions on a woman running for president by implying she cannot win his supporters, or that she can’t be trusted with secret intelligence, a right-wing talking point about Democrats that goes back to my Reagan Democrat days when the GOP let loose with the line that Democrats were “soft on national security,” something they’ve been selling ever since.I’m a proud Democrat, but I’m an American first. If you want unity you’ve come to the wrong place.”

    Busted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  433. confloyd Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
    JUst heard on Fox News, we lost 49000 jobs, we are at 5.5 unemployment. We are in two wars. Our country is in shambles, and what did the DNC Roolz committee decide, they decided to put the inexperienced one in even after the people have voted for the other one. The best the republicans could do is put someone in that admits he knows nothing about the economy!
    ———————————————–
    Case: Ignorance (D) vs Ignorance (R) (2008)

    As Hillary so aptly put it when she was in Seattle last November at a high dollar fundraiser. I am not worried about myself or the people in this room. We will do fine come what may. But I do worry greatly for the American People who are not getting a fair shake and the reason I am in this race is to make sure that they do. (Paraphrasing).

  434. I was just reading on some blog that our crossing over might be good. The Republican party needs to move further to the center and keep the wing-nuts at bay.

  435. texan4hillary Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
    tm’s site is becomming a mini dkos guys. im so angry. but here si a reminder of what she used to say-american before democrat—
    ————————————————
    You are right. I remember those words exactly as you do. I have departed from her site and only go back to shoot a troll now and then. They have some brilliant commentors there however like William, Silverscreen and others. I hope they find their way here.

  436. CountTheVotes Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    ________________________________________

    Speaking of brilliant ex TM bloggers how are you. Your comment above is spot on. McCain has little to lose (he will never get Rush) and a world to gain (Clinton dems) by moving to the center.

  437. William is exceptional .. I hope he finds this site. Anyone else wonder if he could have been “the” William?

  438. jen said:

    The convention doesn’t start until the end of August. Waffles has plenty of $$$ (which IMO warrants an investigation in and of itself). So why the rush? Pushing the nomination is also leaving Bambi open to Republican attacks, which is the only good thing to come out of this as far as I’m concerned. Again, if the DNC had waited, the Repubs wouldn’t be attacking him now because they still wouldn’t be sure who was getting the nomination. So why the rush? Why couldn’t they wait and let the process play itself out?

    Two of the factors:
    1. Rezko guilty verdict came out this week. They wanted to get some SDs committed before that was announced.

    2. Money deadline. For convention expenses in Denver, they had to raise some money before mid-June. Also I expect threats of riots in Denver might have something to do with it. Maybe Denver was about to ask for a big damage deposit. 🙂

    Two factors

  439. gonna jump in here with a question, I need help!!!

    I love this poster of Hillary, but I see it can only be bought from her official website, and they don’t ship over sea. As I currently live in Europe, I am a bit saddened(meaning: desperate!)

    hillarystore.com/store/HC0925.html

    Anyone know of a place to buy it from, eBay (although I’ve looked, not too easy to search for this poster, does it have a name??)

    Or could a kind spirit out there buy one and send to me (I’ll pay of course!!!)

    I just love it, wish it had been out in public long ago! Does her image wonders!

  440. gonna jump in here with a question, I need help!!!

    I love this poster of Hillary, but I see it can only be bought from her official website, and they don’t ship over sea. As I currently live in Europe, I am a bit saddened(meaning: desperate!)

    http://www.hillarystore.com/store/HC0925.html

    Anyone know of a place to buy it from, eBay (although I’ve looked, not too easy to search for this poster, does it have a name??)

    Or could a kind spirit out there buy one and send to me (I’ll pay of course!!!)

    I just love it, wish it had been out in public long ago! Does her image wonders!

  441. HillBillyLover Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 3:41 am

    Hi Everyone…crazy thing happened today. No Quarter published a story based on bogus info that they got from someone that ClintonDems.com was being run by Maggie Williams! Oh my god, the site went nutz! There were like 20 people on the site and then all the sudden there were 220!

    I had to put a disclaimer on top of the site in big red letters and have NQ pull the story. What a weird day!
    ==============================

    Heh. I saw that somewhere and told them that I knew you and you were no Maggie Williams. 🙂

  442. I think the picture that is burned in my mind from this entire campaign is the picture captured of Hillary in the rain in PA.

    I wish her campaign would offer those pictures with her autograph…talk about raking in the dough. I’d love to have one.

    That picture makes me start crying though because her hard work, in this instance, didn’t pay off in the way we wanted. She has gained so many supporters and people have really learned who she really is .. maybe it was worth it.

  443. Please take the time to send Senator Clinton a Thank You note
    taylormarsh.com/archives view.php?id=27882

    The Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton
    United States Senate
    476 Russell Senate Office Building Washington
    DC 20510-3202

    need the h p : / /

    dont want this to get hung up in the filter

  444. AOL is featuring the interview on the Whitey story. They seem to be playing it up like it is a dirty false rumor. So nothing new there. However, if it does surface, they will be spinning the other words.

    Interesting how they turn everything around.

    But in the end, it does not matter how they twist it, it matters how the American people view it.

    So if it ever surfaces, I guess we will know the answers.

  445. Hillary Will Win — Yes, McCain defended Hillary from Pfleger and was the only one to do so. No prominent unaffiliated or Obama Dem seemed to do so. McCain called Pfleger disgraceful and the failure to step up was also disgraceful.

    I do not want another disgraceful President.

  446. Berkeley Vox Says:

    June 6th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    More outright lies from Ben Smith at Politico, who writes:

    “But there has been virtually no sign of interest from Obama’s camp of bringing the Clintons on board. ”

    —-
    Um, what about Obama’s statement, made not once, but twice, that Hillary would appear on “anyone’s” short list for Vice President? I love how the chattering class at Politico always tries to make things about 100x more complex than they actually are.
    *****************************************************
    I’m sorry but he’s right. Obama camp does not want the Clintons…Obama is preening in the media so he can look like Hillary will get V.P, it’s all lies. Remember Obama’s history…they want Bill contacts and list so that they can call those folks themselves.

    Why are people give Obama the benefit of the doubt….This guy was raised on CHICAGO CORRUPT POLITCAL MACHINE by was polished by Al Capone….They bring out the knife and eliminate competition…think PROTECTION RACKET.

    Until people grasp this fact and realise Obama want to put in his Chicago friends in position of power and run HARD LEFT but they need us now in order to cosolidate power…all this V.P. crap is for the media and directed to Hillary’s supporters and voters.

    Hillary and Bill knows that but they are trying to SAVE the PARTY they LOVE and helped build. I wish they wouldn’t because I think war has been declared against us by the Howard Dean wing of the party. So it’s put up or shut up time.

  447. I truely believe that tape exists. It’s just a matter of time. Pundits keep talking about how unhappy Bambi looks .. no wonder, he knows it’s just a matter of time before he has to start splaining again.

    Wifey is who disgusts me .. I just could never accept her.

  448. news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/06/obama-whitey-video-rumor-is-crap/?icid=1615988631x1203766030x1200410148

    Vote on the Whitey Rumor.

  449. Someone still has to explain to me how her speech became so slurred that, that pronounciation happened. Or is that when you are in front of your true country people, you speak differently.

  450. Guys, a bit of reality.

    Suppose by August 25 Obama is IN JAIL.

    Suppose all his assets have been confiscated, for drugs or for terrorism.

    Okay, that’s extreme. But things do happen, he’s got baggage that no one suspected that’s already shown up….

    The game isn’t over till the fat Rezko sings.

  451. TM has done an about face, from that Jan’08 article. I guess, it is called survial. The comments section is horrible and infested with bots. They are so disagreeable and arrogant.

    I miss reading William’s postings. They were always, so insightful and meaningful.

    The Confluence has some good postings, and is not overrun with bots.

    The Republican party is in a state of flux, also. The die-hard conservatives feel left out, and don’t believe McCain is conservative enough. I guess, we’ll never agree 100 %. But, they will probably unite behind McCain, because the alternative is scarier.

  452. glancing at the yahoo headlines, Obama expects to be president during the 2016 games. I did not read the article.

  453. As predicted FOX is going after Hillary with all their pitiful pundits out there waiting to be milked.Cavuto had a for sale woman PhD nut analyzer answering his questions on Hillary’s mental state since her loss (not yet) to BO.She tried to be kind in her analysis but he used his expertise in such matters by disputing her remarks. CNN MSNBC and FOX are really desperate in their attempts to stop OUR GIRL. Joining up with the DNC,they are in a conspiracy,the likes of which this country has never see before.
    Be calm all.Just watch our girl at work to return sanity to our government and the media that could have been the best and fairest in the world if it had not been for Barack Hussein Obama,his churches and his criminal Chicago supporters.

    BY ABM90 TV just keeps giving and giving and we WILL handle it with every ounce of support for Hillary.

  454. I am more concerned that Obamanationalists will have everybody but their “formers” in jail of some sorts. Look at what he has done to the undemocratic Democratic Party just since Tuesday; keeping Howard the Coward Dean and taking over the rest – and all this right before our own eyes.

    The only thing I like Chicago style is pizza!

  455. 1950democrat,

    I’ll write more on Sarah Palin. I’m very intrigued by this lady. LOL. She is a very exciting reformer, battling big oil companies/GOP establishment in Alaska, she has job approval ratings of 80% in that state. Her personal story is good quite intriguing. She gave birth this year to a down syndrome boy(she knew it beforehand during pregancy but decided to keep the baby)…I am sure if McCain chooses her, the MSM will bash her as some pro-life crazy… But the good thing is that this will again backfire on them in general election when women again have to witness the atrocity inflicted upon any woman politician who does not fit into MSM’s narrative.

    I will write more on her if it becomes clearer she will be the frontrunner for McCain’s running mate.

  456. another good blog for Hillary supporters:

    camille424.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/and-another-talented-guest-poster/

    h t t p in front of course

  457. I think McCain needs a woman .. seriously the gop is in bad shape. Brand and all has been trashed, the economy tanking, jobs, gasoline.

    I do hope they will bring up though that Pelosi and Reid and their cohorts have done jack shit for the last 2 years in power. I did see Cavuto throw that to Rangel today LOL Rangel uhhh and ahhh and then said it wouldn’t matter.

    It really is a Dem year but it’s very possible they will blow it big with the greenhorn.

  458. dot48,

    Thanks for the link. gosh, tons of Hillary dems’ sites are up. Just scanned the commentary section of the site you pointed to, already 500+ comments to an article of an obscure site…

    My ass… I believe we’re starting to organize just like crazy kos crowd did a few years ago. The sensible, moderate dems are fed up with the radicals, enough is enough!

  459. a good article from ‘no quarter’.

    Friday’s Washington Post has a story on how the McCain campaign is looking to woo disaffected Clinton supporters. The GOP thinks it has a shot at these voters who believe Obama is out of touch with them and because McCain is a “maverick” who may be able to accommodate their interests.

    That is why the Obama campaign is trying so hard to tie McCain to Bush — it’s the maverick thing. If Clinton voters see that McCain can be “worked with” they might jump to him rather than hang with a nominee who has so offended them for the past several months.

    Obama advisors are confident the Clinton supporters’ flirtation with candidate McCain will wane and they will vote Democratic in the fall.

    Polls do not necessarily bear this out, however.

    Over the past three months, Washington Post-ABC News polls showed an average of 25 percent of those backing Clinton in the primaries “defecting” to McCain in a hypothetical match-up with Obama. A new poll from the Pew Research Center conducted just before the final Democratic primaries put the number at 28 percent.

    Other data in the new Pew poll may add to the concern among some Democrats. In that survey, the percentage of Clinton supporters holding a positive view of Obama continues to slide: Forty-five percent of them view Obama favorably, down from 58 percent in December, before the voting started.

    Apparently to further know Obama isn’t necessarily to like him.

    In addition, those Clinton supporters voting for Obama in the fall may actually be soft support. While they will vote for Obama, it is not a positive vote for Obama, just one against McCain. If these aren’t “Obama people,” they might be won by some judicious mix of argument and policy. We shall see.

    Nearly 6 in 10 of those backing Clinton over Obama in the primary said they would support Obama in the fall, with about half of those voters saying they are motivated to do so primarily to vote “against McCain” rather than “for Obama.”

    Lastly, this WP piece noted that in the 1980 election when Ted Kennedy contested all the way to the convention, a higher percentage of Kennedy’s supporters (47) said they would NOT vote for Carter. Although only about half that number followed through, it was enough to help sink Carter and elect Ronald Reagan to his first term.

  460. HillaryforTexas…perhaps you should post that over at TM as a reminder…i still check in and post and I keep asking that question over and over again…re: principles vs blind party loyalty…and there are still posters arguing that point…

    for example, a couple of days ago I asked:

    Taylor, my question to you in all honesty is, ‘Aren’t you concerned about the chicago cesspool of politics – axelrod and corrupt company – taking over the executive branch with the full support of a stronger democratic congress?

    Where will the checks and balances be? Will we, the voters, be going from one bad situation to another…we have already seen what the DNC is capable of…

    Where will be the checks and balances be on Obama?

    this worries me greatly…

    Is a weakened McCain with a stronger veto enabled Democratic congress a safer route for the American people?

    I am a lifelong Democrat…I worked on Bill’s camps…but do we blindly follow party loyalty? or do we think out all the ramifications?

    and the next day I asked again: (Taylor suggests that we should not let our anger get in our way of winning)

    Taylor…it isn’t about anger…it is about TRUST…

    I repeat…it goes beyond anger…it is about TRUST…

    many of us do not TRUST Obama and his Chicago group…and truthfully, many of us fear and Obama takeover of the party with the current leadership…

    I asked yesterday, “where will the checks and balances be on Obama and his Chicago cabal?”

    …this is an honest question that is at the root of many of the loyal dems turning away from obama…

    …think back to how you felt when you became a Reagan Dem…

    …I do not plan on voting for McCain, however I understand how many people feel…and the obama people, the media, and perhaps even you, make a big mistake if you think it is simply about anger…

    …the trust…the bond between Dems and their party is cracked right now…and blind party loyalty for many is not as important as living by principles…

    …right now the Dem party has not shown itself to represent the basic tenet of democracy in the simple exercise of counting their votes…maybe some people want to move on…but the trust has been broken…

    …sometimes winning might be losing…

    I will keep an open mind until obama picks his VP…to me that will say a lot…it will show if he does respect those 18 million voters and if he respects that he came within a hair of losing to Hillary…and he had the whole DNC stacking the odds in his favor…

    …right now the Dem party has not shown itself to represent the basic tenet of democracy in the simple exercise of counting their votes…maybe people want to move on…but the trust has been broken…

    and today I asked…

    …either we stand for something or we stand for nothing…

    perhaps the dem party can be repaired…fixed, redeemed…but we cannot be in denial about the truth just to be in pursuit of winning with someone we know is flawed…did all that suddenly just go away? if it was there last week…it is still there this week…and where are our principles?

    Taylor, are we supposed to just shut up and be quiet about the passion and truth we have been expressing up until Tuesday of this week? and fall into line like good little soldiers or do we grow a backbone and continue to speak up and look for solutions as our beloved Hillary does?

  461. Damn the nerve. Garret on Fox saying that Bambi is going to give the “polling” a two week time period and see if he “needs” Hillary. If not, Fcuk off ..

    I swear to God the more I hear of that team the madder they make me.

    I hope Hillary just comes out and tells them to FuckOff.

    Why is Andrews spewing lies now? He lost and he’s a sore loser

  462. 1950democrat , I hope you meant that as a compliment.

    It is hard to believe that this whole thing has happened. It has been surreal…everything upside-down from what we expected. Fox the fairest network? Ann Coulter saying things we agree with? Pat Buchanon defends Hillary? Newt Gengrich says admiring things about our girl?

    DNC doesn’t stand up against sexism, disenfranchisement?

    Oh, if only I could wake up and it could have all been a bad dream. I hope they give Hillary a big leadership role in the senate. At least I would feel like someone still had our backs there. I’m sure she’ll do the best she can anyway.

  463. Obama is an idiot if he’s going to keep trotting out that “no lobbyist” bullshit. First rule of politics: don’t try and be holier-than-thou, especially when the facts show that you’re already violating whatever high-and-mighty reform promise you’re trying to live up to. McCain will make mincemeat out of him over this.

    I feel like we’re back in the 80’s, when the Democrats had this masochistic tendency to nominate huge losers. Ugh.

  464. Dot48 wrote:

    Damn the nerve. Garret on Fox saying that Bambi is going to give the “polling” a two week time period and see if he “needs” Hillary. If not, Fcuk off ..
    ———-

    Maybe Bambi will notice the most important poll of all: McCain beats Obama, and Clinton beats McCain. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

  465. First off, yeah, AOL is running the story, which calls LJ ‘a blogger’.
    Yeah, ok. And second….

    Fuck Charlie Rangel. And fuck Charlie Rangel again.
    You all can think what you want of me, but I know I not only believe what Bill Clinton always preached (“We are all the same”) but I live it as best I can.

    That said, Rangel’s actions to me seem nothing more than black going with a black. Period. That fucking ****!

    Clinton’s exit: When push came to shove
    By: Amie Parnes and Avi Zenilman and Ben Smith
    June 6, 2008 03:58 PM EST

    In the end, the same man who ushered Hillary Rodham Clinton into electoral politics nine years ago pushed her out.

    On Wednesday, Clinton was asking supporters to wait — it was unclear for what — and to give her time to gather her thoughts. Many seemed willing to accede to the request, but Rep. Charles B. Rangel, the blunt, 77-year-old dean of New York’s congressional delegation, had had enough.

    In public statements and on a crucial afternoon conference call, he told Clinton it was time to go. And Rangel, for reasons of state politics, personal history and race, is not a man Clinton could afford to ignore.

    “Unless she has some good reasons — which I can’t think of — I really think we ought to get on with” endorsing Obama, he told ABC News yesterday afternoon.

    Rangel figures large in the Clinton legend: According to the official story, he first suggested to Clinton that she run for Senate in New York. This year, he held Clinton’s African-American supporters in line for her, despite the temptation many felt to back her surging rival. And he’s a powerful figure in the state to which she now must return.

    A staffer close to the Clinton campaign said the candidate took Rangel’s response to heart. “She strongly values his opinions, and they definitely made her think about what was going on.”

    Rangel’s move came after what had become, for some of the House members who had endorsed Clinton, an unbearable day of uncertainty.

    By the time the polls closed on Tuesday night and Barack Obama became the presumptive Democratic nominee, it was clear to many of them that Clinton had to drop out.
    See Also

    * GOP fears Obama’s money machine
    * Black lawmakers emotional about Obama’s success
    * Clinton ‘is not seeking’ VP

    After months of campaigning with her head down, the shift in pace and direction was going to be abrupt, no matter how long she took to gather her bearings.

    “She wanted a day or two to talk to her supporters,” said a source close to the Clinton campaign. “That was very important to her, especially because she’s been in a bubble.”

    Yet she didn’t have that luxury, not after Tuesday’s speech, not after failing to even acknowledge that Obama had reached the delegate threshold necessary to claim the Democratic nomination. While her Senate colleagues were willing to wait a few more days until her formal exit, members of the House were intent on accelerating the end of her campaign.

    She huddled at her Arlington, Va., headquarters Wednesday with top advisers, discussing her diminished options and leaving supporters free to mount a campaign on her behalf for the vice presidential nod. Even close supporters were unsure what she was waiting for, beyond a chance to clear her head, and all assumed she would be leaving the race within days.

    But Clinton seemed to think she could postpone the inevitable and had her aides convene a pair of conference calls with Senate and House supporters. Her message, a prominent supporter said, was to be: “Please wait.”

    The first call, around 4 p.m., went as planned. At least seven of Clinton’s Senate supporters participated, and the tone was tame, even congratulatory.

    Washington Sen. Patty Murray, who was on the call, described the exchange as cordial and respectful, with no demands that Clinton drop out and back Obama.

    “There was tremendous pride in Sen. Clinton, and much of the conversation was focused on thanking her for her campaign,” she said.

    Then, at 5 p.m., she spoke with House backers — including Rangel — for about 20 minutes.

    “The tone of the call was ‘What do you guys think?'” a source close to the campaign said.

    Democratic House members who participated on the call said the first comments were supportive, expressing a willingness to wait.

    Then Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank — whose sister, Ann Lewis, is a top Clinton adviser — chimed in with a dose of reality.

    “It just seemed to me, once it was over, it was over,” he said in an interview Thursday. “I said she should go out with dignity and not look like she was being pushed.”

    “Someone said what about waiting a week, and I said this isn’t going to hold,” he explained. “You know you’re not talking about the 10 best secret keepers in America.”

    Rangel then stepped in. Repeating his public comments from earlier in the afternoon, he stressed the need for party unity and expressed concern that New York Reps. Yvette D. Clarke, Gregory W. Meeks and Edolphus Towns — whose heavily black districts had voted for Obama — could face viable primary challenges from pro-Obama candidates if they didn’t move quickly to get behind the presumptive nominee.

    “She wanted to talk to supporters and get advice, so she got advice,” Rangel told reporters Thursday. “Love and affection doesn’t have a damn thing to do with counting votes.”

    Clinton understood the problem.

    “Hillary would never want to do something that would impact another person’s chances and jeopardize their seats,” said someone familiar with the call.

    On the call, Rangel was firm.

    He suggested holding an event where Clinton could endorse Obama. “That way we’re endorsing Barack through you,” he told her.

    “What I was worried about was, I couldn’t explain it,” Rangel said the next day. “‘You want unity, you want someone to win, but you don’t endorse? It doesn’t work out.”

    Clinton ended the call on a note of gratitude. “Thank you all so much. You mean so much to me. We’ll get moving with Charlie’s idea,” she said, according to a source.

    But to her staffers, Rangel’s words added new urgency to their deliberations.

    “Charlie’s comment certainly stood out,” said an aide.

    Clinton hung up, advisers say, still without having made a final decision about the timing of her departure, but with a clear understanding that her window was closing. Her advisers began discussing the timing of her exit, and when word of preliminary plans for a Friday announcement leaked to ABC News, they knew they wouldn’t be able to beat back this final media wave.

    Later that night, the Clinton campaign announced she would be holding a Friday rally “to thank her supporters and express her support for Sen. Obama and party unity.”

    In a mark of the haste with which the decision had been made, it was quickly changed: The event, a later press release said, would be on Saturday, not on Friday.

    The three African-American members from New York whom Rangel had mentioned instantly announced they would endorse Obama.

    Then, on Thursday, the entire New York congressional delegation stood in front of the Democratic National Committee building to announce, as a press release put it, “their unanimous approval of the decision by Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign to support the Democratic nomination of Sen. Barack Obama.”

    Rangel spoke on their behalf.

  466. June 6, 2008
    RNC: Obama’s Lobbyist Ban Doesn’t Apply to DNC Vice Chair
    @ 3:05 pm by Chris Good

    The Republican National Committee (RNC) sought to undermine Barack Obama’s ban on lobbyist donations to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) today by pointing out that DNC Vice Chair Lottie Shackelford is herself a registered lobbyist.

    The DNC announced yesterday that it would not take donations from registered federal lobbyists or Political Action Committees (PACs), in keeping with Obama’s rule for his own campaign–a rule that was disputed by Obama’s Democratic rivals in presidential primary debates.

    Shackleford is senior executive vice president of lobbying firm Global USA, Inc.; she has been a registered lobbyist with the firm since 1999. Her corporate clients include SBC Communications, Hyundai Motor Co., Kyocera Corp., Allstate Insurance, State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance, and Sallie Mae, Inc. Her non-corporate clients include National Public Radio, Miami-Dade County, Fla., and pro-immigration interest group United to Secure America.

    Shackelford was Deputy Campaign Manager for President Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. She was elected mayor of Little Rock, Ark. in 1987 and was the first woman to serve as the city’s mayor.

    In the a press release it circulated about Shackelford today, the RNC accused Obama of “hypocrisy” when it comes to lobbyists and asked, “How will the DNC’s ban on lobbyist cash bring change when there are major exceptions and registered lobbyists in leadership positions?”

    The DNC hit back this afternoon, calling attention to the lobbyists working for John McCain in a web ad and press release.

    “While Senator McCain talks about transparency and accountability on the campaign trail, back home in Washington he and the lobbyists in his inner circle refuse to apply those same standards to his own campaign,” DNC Communications Director Karen Finney said in the release. See the web ad here.

  467. Hi Guys,

    Just had to comment on something I read the other day on No Quarter, about how the Puerto Rican vote is being analyzed as racist (NQ gave the link.) Just like NQ is saying (and a lot of us here), any vote not for Obama is being interpreted as racist. Hillary won in PR because she and her family criss-crossed the whole island, talking to people, and earning every single vote. OB basically ignored us — of which I’m glad!

  468. just some thoughts on JM’s running mate

    the folks i work with are defense-industry true-repugs. they hate JM and may only vote for him holding their collective noses. i cannot believe JM would move closer to the center with his VP pick and alienate the conservative base any further. i am thinking along the lines of mitt romney..conservative, young, eye-candy and from michigan!

    quite frankly, i don’t give a rats-ass who he picks as VP. my vote is going to JM, regardless.

  469. My new slogan for the present state of election affairs.

    ” SEE WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU FAIL TOVETT ”

    BY ABM90

  470. Yep, the republicans don’t want Hillary as VP, because the are afraid she will be hard to beat!
    That’s why they are trashing her now, they are scared!

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