Update: The Republicans know the significance of the Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi Culture of Corruption.
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The Democratic? Party of Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi has a Culture of Corruption problem.
We first wrote about Antoin “Tony” Rezko in April 26, 2007.
Democrats in Ohio used “Culture of Corruption” to rout corrupt Republicans from office. The Democratic? Party of Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi will be routed in November.
Rezko has now been found Guilty of Corruption. Birds of a feather flock together.
Rezko will now “sing” instead of spending years in prison. The song Rezko will sing is a dirge for Obama’s Chicago Culture of Corruption. The Rezko dirge will replace “Happy Days Are Here Again” the traditional Democratic anthem.
Obama cannot be trusted with the presidency:
What was Obama doing in his plush state senator office that kept him too busy to know that these “struggling families” were without heat “For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997″?
If Obama with all his “community organizer” experience did not know what was happening in his small district office in Chicago, how in blazes does anyone think he will respond to the needs of an American electorate that numbers in the hundreds of millions?
What was Obama doing in his state senate office while his constituents suffered due to now indicted slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama’s friend of 17 years? Well, Obama was busy writing letters to get even more government money for his friends, including Rezko.
Who did Obama take care of and who was he busy working for – his constituents or his now indicted friend Rezko who helped Obama buy a magnificent heated house?
Rezko is still Obama’s friend. Rezko looted Chicago tax payers. Rezko abused Obama’s constituents. Rezko is Obama’s friend of 20 years. Prepare for the Wright treatment Antoin.
To Barack Obama, Tony Rezko was more than a fund-raiser. He was a friend.
Rezko helped bankroll Obama in five election runs — for the state Senate, U.S. House and U.S. Senate. The savvy businessman with the North Shore mansion could bring in as much as $70,000 from political donors in one night. In the heat of a campaign, Obama said he sometimes talked strategy with Rezko daily.
Then, during political down-times, Rezko was his lunch or breakfast companion, more concerned about Obama, his wife and daughters than with posing for snapshots with the senator as he rose from political obscurity to Democratic presidential hopeful. On one occasion, Obama recalled, they wiled away time with their wives at Rezko’s Lake Geneva estate.
This portrait of Rezko emerged during an 80-minute interview Friday with the Chicago Sun-Times that marked the first time the senator has spoken in-depth about his relationship with the indicted businessman, who’s on trial on corruption charges involving allegations he orchestrated political kickback schemes in the Blagojevich administration.
The interview followed months in which Obama had avoided questions about Rezko and tried to downplay their relationship. With the Pennsylvania primary looming in five weeks, Obama said he hoped to clear the air about his ties to Rezko.
“We want to put the sense that we’re not being forthcoming behind us as quickly as possible,” Obama said.
The senator disclosed that Rezko had raised far more campaign cash for him than previously known. He said he was “saddened” by his friend’s troubles but would be “disappointed” if Rezko ends up convicted. For the first time, Obama said he was disturbed that Rezko had allowed low-income housing Rezko developed to fall apart. And he said that, although he had made a mistake in buying a piece of property from Rezko, “Does it speak to a trend of mine? No.”
Is Rezko still a friend?
“Yes,” Obama said, “with the caveat that, obviously, if it turns out the allegations are true, then he’s not who I thought he was. And I’d be very disappointed with that.” [snip]
Obama also defended signing a 1998 letter urging the state to fund a low-income housing project developed by Rezko and Obama’s former boss, Allison Davis — both of whom were clients of Obama’s law firm as well as campaign contributors. Obama said he didn’t remember writing the “form letter” until the Sun-Times asked about it last June. This was not one of the Rezko developments that fell into disrepair.
The senator began the unusual session with Sun-Times reporters and editors by recounting his relationship with Rezko, which he said began when Rezko and two of his partners tried to recruit him out of law school for a job at Rezko’s development firm, Rezmar. He said he met with them in Chicago for about 45 minutes.
“My assessment of Tony Rezko was that he was an immigrant who had sort of pulled himself up by his bootstraps,” Obama recalled. “Somebody who was active not only in the political scene generally, but also had links to the African-American community. I think he saw me as somebody who had talent, but he was probably also intrigued by my international background and the fact that I had lived in Asia and that I knew something about his culture in the Middle East.” [snip]
Obama picked Rezko for the campaign finance committee for his 2004 U.S. Senate run. Around that same time, Rezko had begun walking away from affordable-housing projects he was building with government funds, leaving some in squalor — including some buildings in Obama’s own Illinois Senate district. Obama said he knew nothing of those problems. [snip]
After Rezko helped Obama win the U.S. Senate seat, Obama approached Rezko about the house Obama now owns in Kenwood. The house has become a political headache for Obama because Rezko’s wife bought the vacant lot next door, with Obama and Rita Rezko closing on their transactions on the same day in June 2005.
Lter, in January 2006, Obama bought a 10-foot-wide strip of Rita Rezko’s lot at a time when Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation — a move Obama called “absolutely a mistake.”
After touring the Kenwood home with Rezko and his real estate agent, Rezko “expressed some interest potentially in purchasing the lot,” which remains zoned to accommodate town homes or a small condominium building. [snip]
Why didn’t alarm bells sound when it was known Rezko was under investigation? “Probably because I had known him for a long time, he had acted in an aboveboard manner with me, and I considered him a friend,” Obama said. [snip]
Now, the senator has decided it was time to talk about his friend.
“I’m saddened for him. I’m saddened for his family.”
Another 20 year friendship proven now as a mistake in “judgment”.
Obama is unelectable.
Guilty on 16 counts. Got to wonder about the timing of that jury.
Yes, guilty!!
Wow, this is a bombshell!!!!
lol, as i said, is this actually part of the republican bombshell to come today and not MO.
Now, let’s see how the fat asses at MSNBC and that other cesspool spin this…or rather ignore it to death.
Now the question, how will Rezko effect Obama??
I will be watching Hannity tonight!
oh i think now this has happened, people will start looking a little deeper starting with Fox today.
Now work on getting your sentence reduced, Tony. ROLL! ROLL! ROLL!
Great! Now for the rest of the Chicago Mob!!
So now Obama suddenly changes his tune and goes all hawkish on Iran, the man is a first class liar and turncoat, you cant trust anything he says.
Some hRC humor from the other thread:
Hehehehehehe!
At a staff meeting today HRC made this comment about the media bobbleheads;
“That is the job I want. You can say anything without knowing anything!”
Moononpluto, I mean to tell you this man puts his wet finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before he says anything. He is wretched!
Isn’t it ODD that the Rezko jury couldn’t reach a verdict until the day after DNC crowned Pampers the king?????
Waffles gets a free ride from everyone; the media, the DNC, the Repubs not releasing the whitey tape, the rezko jury waiting until after his apparent coromnation to reach a verdict.
And about the friggin’ TUCC tapes! there MUST be someone else on this forum who was as intrigued as I was back in Feb and who has deeper pockets than me and needed to satisfy their curiosity about all things Wright and who bought the DVD’s just like i almost did!
Rezko Watch has been updated!!!! go read!
Berkeley Vox:
While I don’t disagree with any of your reasons regarding why Hillary would make an excellent VP, or why waffles needs her, there are 2 stumbling blocks to the logic.
1) Does Hillary want to be VP? Everything I’ve ever heard from her tells me she wants to be POTUS, not VP. The Dem primary election could have changed her feelings about this, but I’m still skeptical.
2) What has waffles, or his campaign, done to make anyone think he’s got enough brains to select her? They seem to be almost defiant regarding Hillary and her supporters. He’s arrogant, self-centered and fatally naive. I don’t think he’ll offer it to her, even if she truly wanted it.
Just my 2 cents.
Basically, he’ll say anything, i wonder what his happy clapping liberals have to say now about this and his anti war youth vote. He just threw them under the bus too.
In his speech Wednesday before the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, Obama sounded a bit like the more hawkish officials in the Bush administration. He said the military option is “on the table” for dealing with Iran’s nuclear program, and in stark contrast to earlier statements, he said he would meet with Iranian leaders “if and only if it can advance the interest of the United States.”
Obama’s tone was strikingly different from it has been in the past.
The New Republic is upset with us again. They don’t understand that Obama concedes before the Democratic convention or Obama will concede in November. The thought is too complex for them. Maybe this Rezko conviction will clue them in.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/06/04/quot-when-will-obama-concede-quot.aspx
Guilty on 17 counts, he’s going away for a very long time unless he rolls over on bambi but i suspect he’ll have a heartattack pretty soon, if you know what i mean.
I actually think the timing of this Rezko verdict is pretty good in light of the fact that Hillary has not conceded. Let’s see how the boys at the anchor desk kick this around for the next few days and that will tell the tale. If some more stuff comes out and Rezko does “roll” this may work to our advantage in great measure!
Admin, it’s either they get a clue now, or they’ll get a clue in NOvember themselves if he’s the nominee.
We’re in for an interesting couple of days, folks.
expect the republicans to make hay of this immediately, the house deal is going to come up straight away, you can bet your ass on it.
moononpluto Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
expect the republicans to make hay of this immediately, the house deal is going to come up straight away, you can bet your ass on it.
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Yep! I think the timing is GREAT! One day, declaring himself a “winner”, the next day looking like the jackass friend of a felon.
I’m heading home. I will check in on you little sweeties tonight for a bit.
I’m going to see a whole group of Obamazoids in a few days and I need to gird myself with as much ammo as possible so that I can deal with the attacks. This Rezko verdict is manna from on high! lol Go Hillary!
Well, notice how the DNC is trying to move things quickly? I know they state it is so they can get ready for November, but really how much more ready can you be?
Obama has been going downhill for the last few months and I think the DNC are afraid he will lose it completely….so they are quickly giving him the nomination and bullying Hillary (as Sugar stated and I agree) into her making a decision quickly for VP.
That way if anything bad comes out about Obama that could change things drastically for him, well the nomination and VP are set.
Now if Hillary decides to wait until August and during that time new damaging information comes out about Obama, she is ready to step in and officially win the nomination.
If you think about it, everything about this process has been hurry, hurry, hurry.
its one thing being friends with someone indicted but when they are convicted it becomes a whole new ballgame, Rezko is going under the bus today guaranteed.
However expect Republicans to be out front and centre today with new evidence linking Obama with Rezko and his corruption.
Take that to the bank.
Could this actually be the bombshell coming today, Republicans with new evidence linking Rezko and Bambi.
Rezko will be dragging along under the waffles bus by 6pm EST.
Basil,
“Isn’t it ODD that the Rezko jury couldn’t reach a verdict until the day after DNC crowned Pampers the king?????”
What a joke. The people pulling the strings (Rove?) must have a good chuckle for themselves as everything’s going according to plan for them.
After a 15-month campaign and how long did this trial drag on?
Would like to know if that Starr protege for a judge had anything to do with the verdict being handed down today.
fuck its busy under that bus, is there any room left or is he going to have to stop and scrape of roadkill.
moonpluto:
nah… every once in a while one pops out the back and just get left by the roadside… all bloodied and disfigured. the bus just keeps on rollin’
This process has strengthed Hillary for 2012. It woudl be stupid of her to tie up to Obama just out of party loyalty.
Bet bitch boy wishes his attorney had mounted a defense now!
I think he’ll either appeal the decision, or try to work out a plea bargain. Let’s hope he does the latter and gives up the goods on waffles.
What’s that thumping sound, I hear in the distance? Ah, the nervous hearts of Obama’s superdelegates…
1950 I think your right. I would hate to see her get mixed up in all that dirty mess!
I think she should just wait and take it to the convention or at least wait until a week or two before and see how he is fairing in the polls.
She will only be 64 in 2012 and she is in excellent health! She did a better job than pampers in hanging in for the whole primary! She was tireless and Pampers was the cry baby!
BerkeleyVox, LOL!!
admin-i worry so about hillary becomming obama’s vp. tm’s site talks about her camp negotiating w/obama to run with him. im sick
OkieAtty, Can REzko still make a deal to lessen his sentence?
Sugar, we’ll probably use (steal) your “NOvember” in future posts. That might become a battle cry: We’ll remember in NO-vember.
As to Rezko, OkieAtty – Pat Buchanan said a while ago what we said a year ago – once convicted Patrick Fitzgerald will work a deal with Rezko and get him to sing.
Pat Buchanan said a while ago what we said a year ago – once convicted Patrick Fitzgerald will work a deal with Rezko and get him to sing.
Any guesses as to a time frame for that happening?
Texan4hillary, don’t get sick. We had a Part II to When Will Obama Concede ready to publish when we got a call the Rezko jury was coming in. We published the Rezko article instead. But tomorrow we’ll start to discuss what we can do in Part II of “Concede”.
admin Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
The New Republic is upset with us again. They don’t understand that Obama concedes before the Democratic convention or Obama will concede in November. The thought is too complex for them. Maybe this Rezko conviction will clue them in.
And they think, the people on this site are delusional.
Oh i’ll bet Fitzgerald has planned that a long time ago.
Fantastic news about Rezko’s convictions. Barack: friend of terrorists and criminals everywhere.
Djia – I got your email and will use that addy for you.
My brother and I cut some discussion videos on the situation last night. The situation, that is, of Hillary throwing a wet blanket on the media’s desire to coronate Bambi last night by not conceding. There are 4 videos, the first two are up and the other 2 are pending. The astroturfers instantly jumped on them and are trying to sabotage the ratings as is their want.
The videos are on the top of the page at my site if you would like to come check them out:
http://www.villarrealsports.com
Fox is reporting that Rezko faces the equivalent for a man his age of life in prison. This fate should get him to flip. Rezko did not like being in jail for even a few weeks. The prospect of decades in prison will get him into Judy Miller mode.
Also, Fitzgerald has enough evidence on Blageovich so Rezko will have to give Fitzgerald someone he does not yet have – B.O.
Well folks, I’m off to take a shower and let the good news sink in.
I’ll try to check back later.
It’ll be funny to watch the MSM try and play catch-up and figure out what the hell’s been going on with the Rezko trial… viewers (voters) will be incensed — “why didn’t you tell us about this?” etc
blue dem,
I’m beginning to suspect Pampers is the secret REPUB nominee, not mcCain.
I used to think Rove and crew wanted HRC out because they thought it would be easier for McCain to run against Pampers.
Now I wonder if Pampers wasn’t the default illinois Combine candidate all along after Blagojevich started imploding. (Illinois Combine as in Dem and Repub supported.)
just read caroline kennedy will head obama’s vp search. what does that tell us?
she’ll probably pick herself or her nephew or family member.
ADMIN: I remember that–what Pat Buchannan said. Is Rezko in custody?
texan4hillary
Impresses me as much as when my State Senator told me she was endorsing O because of Maria S, Caroline K, and Oprah.
I thought she was smart until she did that.
texan4hillary: I’d suggest a name or two but I’d get myself in trouble
texan: Window dressing? Trying to woo, the woman vote? How is she qualified for this?
Former Clinton Strategist Mark Penn: ‘Fight On!’
Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:26 PM
By: Rick Pedraza Article Font Size
Former Hillary Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn is advising the senator from New York to remain in the Democratic presidential nomination race through the convention just in case another Rev. Jeremiah Wright-type scandal emerges.
Penn, who reportedly still has former President Bill Clinton’s ear, is pushing for Clinton to fight on to “preserve her options, nothing more or nothing less.”
Penn says Clinton should suspend her campaign in spite of Sen. Barack Obama having enough delegates to win the nomination, but urges her to keep on regardless of what happens these next few months, according to sources inside the campaign.
Penn argues that if another scandal is revealed – which both Democrats and Republicans believe may still be in the offing – all those superdelegates pledged to Obama will flock to Clinton before the convention.
Bill Clinton and daughter Chelsea are said to be in the Penn camp, but that may have changed in recent days. Hillary, however, has kept her own counsel, people close to her say.
Clinton’s delegate wrangler Harold Ickes, who helped lead Sen. Ted Kennedy’s presidential bid against former President Jimmy Carter at the 1980 convention, is still conflicted, sources say.
Ickes indicated earlier this week that he would like to reverse the DNC ruling that delivered four Clinton delegates to Obama last Saturday. He is, on the other hand, distinctly aware of the damage a protracted campaign will do to the party.
A member of congress, who was listening in on a conference call with several dozen pro-Clinton House members yesterday, says Rep Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa., gently prodded Ickes to make a decision on Clinton’s future by the end of the month.
“We’ve got to do this by the end of this week!” Ickes responded.
© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
Maybe, Oprah or Maria?
confloyd,
2012 is too distant in politics. I don’t think i’ll be able to commit to her. It’s 2008 or bust. First of all, we need to defeat bambi at any cost. This guy is dangerous to its core.
Greetings Hill-fans.
Not sure what to make of the news these days but reading H44 makes me feel sane.
IDUNN! you’re back!?
get used to it yall. We’re gonna be gettin’ a lot of these airhead type decisions…until he has to change into his orange jumpsuit.
Molly: Orange is a becoming color for him.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-verdict-web,0,2256058.story
Rezko’s guilty verdict on 16 of 24 corruption counts could have broad repercussions for Blagojevich, who made Rezko a central player in his cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser, as the likely Democratic presidential nominee heads into the general election campaign against Republican John McCain.
I definitely agree with Penn. More importantly, I think President Clinton is even more hawish. If Hillary takes his advice, they should immediately start the groundwork for collecting signatures for an independent run just in case.
To deal with those thugs, You have to be prepared to use nuclear option, nothing can put those wimpy ‘progressives’ into surrender other than threatening to use nuclear bomb.
Sorry, was on another site trying to figure how many years he was facing. One site said 20 per count. I think that’s high range. They’ll have to wait for the sentencing report.
I’ve spoken with some folks and they doubt he flips. He know too many dangerous types to flip safely. My guess, he does his time on the hope
commutes his sentence if elected. (NOT.)
If he were to consider flipping, he’d wait for the sentencing report just in case it says short time. He has two other trials and the gambling thing waiting for him. He’s got no cash and nothing of value left. He is the perfect type to flip. Arrogant, flashy and afraid of the slammer. We saw he was begging to get out after a week. What will he do to avoid 60 yrs? What will he do to avoid those other trials? Maybe even more.
New OBama Campaign Anthem
“THE BIRDS ARE SINGING FOR ME AND MY GAL (MO) ”
REZKO will sing to get out of his cage.
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA cult worshipers,YOU got him this far,so live with him and the stuff starting to fly from the fan.You sure are going to see change and hope.Get out your mops and buckets and clean up your mess.
BY ABM ( One happy old guy because I will get to see Hillary sworn-in )
birdgal
Let us face it Qualified people select qualifed people. Nonqualified people select nonqualified people. We know where O falls.
Bush’s downfall was the people around him. Many voted for him, knowing his shortcomings, but thought the staff would make up for it.
Well we know how well that worked out.
Completely sick listening to her supporters like Cavuto, Rendell and Lanny Davis actually consider this nomination legitimate.
Hill looked exhausted today too.
She wants to fight. She knows it’s the right thing to do.
Is he in the slammer, Okie?
As Sen. Barack Obama ends the primary process and begins his transition from Democratic front-runner to presumptive nominee, a new Gallup poll suggests that his bid to win over the support of his party’s white and Hispanic women voters is far from over.
Even with her presidential bid all but formally over, Sen. Hillary Clinton edges Obama slightly among female Democratic voters overall, with a four point lead; the New York senator has the support of 49 percent of Democratic women while Obama has support from 45 percent, according to Gallup.
Although Obama lags Clinton by only four percentage points among female Democrats overall, his problems with white and Hispanic women are much deeper.
Clinton leads Obama by 20 percent among white, female Democrats: She has the support of 57 percent of white women Democrats, while Obama’s support stands at 37 percent.
Among Hispanic women who are Democrats, the difference in support is even larger. Sixty-two percent of Hispanic women who are Democratic voters support Clinton, and Obama lags by 30 percentage points, with support from just 32 percent of the demographic.
Obama’s troubles with working class voters are also a factor in the equation: 62 percent of female non-college-educated white Democrats support Clinton, while 32 percent of the same group supports Obama — but among white, college-educated women Democrats, Clinton and Obama are virtually tied – 48 percent to 47 percent.
Obama’s problems with seniors also play a role:Among white, female Democrats aged 65 or older, Obama loses out to Clinton by 36 percentage points — 64 percent of that core Clinton constituency support her, while only 28 percent support Obama. Among younger white women voters, that gap narrows considerably. Obama has a 12 percentage-point lead with white, female Democrats aged 18 to 29.
Obama supporter Jimmy Carter says no VP slot for Hillary. Wow, if that’s the way they’re going to play, we’ll see you in Denver…
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elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/carter-obama-clinton-ticket-would-be-the-worst-mistake/
Jimmy Carter urged Barack Obama not to pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate in an interview with a British publication, saying such a pairing “would be the worst mistake that could be made.”
The former Democratic president, who announced his support for Obama as the Illinois senator clinched his party’s nomination Tuesday night, told the Guardian’s Weekend magazine that Obama and Clinton together “would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates.”
In a bluntly worded assessment, Carter defended his stance by citing Clinton’s negative ratings and the many questions and biases Obama faces.
from TM:
‘Does anyone think that maybe Rezko will not “sing” so that if Obama gets elected he could pardon his buddy ol’ pal? Maybe that’s too far into the future, but it’s better to have a friend who’s the President than an enemy who is a senator?’
And for those thinking about resigning from the dem party, here’s a good point:
(from TM)
‘I decided it would hurt the Dems more to see lots of Dems vote for Mccain. IF we switched now, it would just count as Repub or IND voting for him.’
Berkely,
Said the same exact thing when I saw that.
Fuck these fucking motherfucking cocksuckers.
and please pardon my french.
well, every bit of respect left for jimmy that i had i just flushed down the toilet. being an elderstatesmen only works if you have something meaningful to say.
Mollyj, no- he’ll be most likely released on bond pending sentencing. If they think he’s a flight risk, they’ll remand him. Remember- he does have electronic monitoring still.
Later, y’all. Must go home and walk fat gassy dog.
Night!
but jimmy’s strength was never his ability to call democratic politics correctly. I love to see all the losers line up behind obama frankly … it speaks volumes.
Jimmy is a little beyond his years, let’s face it. He has been hinting where he would go for months. It is anticlimatic to say the best.
The former Democratic president, who announced his support for Obama as the Illinois senator clinched his party’s nomination Tuesday night, told the Guardian’s Weekend magazine that Obama and Clinton together “would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates.”
In a bluntly worded assessment, Carter defended his stance by citing Clinton’s negative ratings and the many questions and biases Obama faces.
WOW! That’s a ringing endorsement huh? You admit waffles has ‘negative aspects’ and ‘many questions’ regarding him? Amazing.
So does this mean that Rezko cannot be a cabinet member? LOL
jimmy carter is a complete loser. I feel sorry for that flailing old man. He has ZERO strength, and has garnered denigration from both sides.
Nobody except Iranian, North Korean, Hamas leaders take his cue.
He’ll soon follow Kennedy’ & Byrd’ footstep to meet the almighty.
Well I just have to add this. The old white hair guys (one dyed of course) endorsing O, just reminds me of the old men with the young women. Somehow they are trying to capture the verility of their youth and cannot quite get there.
What you find with those young chicks is they blow you off later, and leave with your money.
waffles is having Jimmy Carter come out and say this so it helps to take some of the pressure off him. What a piss-ant he is. Can’t even make his own decisions.
Maybe BO should pick Blagovich as VEEP
What you find with those young chicks is they blow you off later, and leave with your money.
Sounds like you are you speaking from experience? Just kidding
Blagovich=Blagojevich
‘I decided it would hurt the Dems more to see lots of Dems vote for Mccain. IF we switched now, it would just count as Repub or IND voting for him.’
OTOH, the registration form does include info regarding the party you were previously registered with…if the Dems get enough of these re-registrations, they will see that the party is bleeding votes. I have filled mine out…will think this over before submitting.
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the White House…he’s going to be Gary Hart, ,Jr. of the Democratic Party.
Levon
Not really just observation.
right, right
http://www.taylormarsh.com/
make sure you look at the latest blog entry (thread) it is pretty sickening. I refuse to donate money to the DNC or to Obama as they are being known as the party who robbed us from reality and the truth and a fair process in all.
the party is in constant denial. sad.
Well, it’s now a fact that Obama lives in a house purchased in a sweetheart deal with a convicted felon. Very presidential, eh?
Berkeley Vox, oh yes there is that little detail they are missing.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=6185320#
Guilty on 16 counts of corruption, political fundraiser Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko has surrendered to authorities.
Rezko, who is scheduled for sentencing in September, surprised even his attorney by opting to begin serving his time immediately.
“I didn’t choose that. Mr. Rezko chose if he was convicted to immediately start serving,” said Joe Duffy, Rezko Defense Attorney. “That was just the desire he expressed to us, and it was his decision.”
Rezko was found guilty on 16 counts of corruption charges related to a kickback scheme for companies that do business with the state.
“This is a pretty significant victory for the prosecution. Tony Rezko has been convicted on 16 counts of mail fraud and wire fraud. It was described by the U.S. Attorney as a play on steroids,” said Jay Stewart, Better Government Association.
“We are obviously disappointed in the jury’s verdict today. We strongly believe in Mr. Rezko’s innocence, as does he. It is our intention to pursue certain post trial matters,” said Joe Duffy, Rezko Defense Attorney
The jurors– 10 women and 2 men– reached a verdict after 13 days of deliberations. A judge read it at 3:45 p.m. in federal court on Wednesday, June 04, 2008.
Rezko, 52, pleaded not guilty to taking bribes from companies wanting state contracts. The jury’s mixed verdict acquitted him on some of the most serious charges, including attempted extortion.
Rezko was found guilty on 16 of 24 counts.
Breakdown of Counts
Guilty on 6 of 6 counts wire fraud
Guilty on 6 of 9 counts mail/wire fraud
Not Guilty on 1 count attempted extortion
Guilty on 2 of 6 counts corrupt solicitation
Guilty on 2 counts money laundering
Moononpluto — “home is where the heart is”
Exit question: Bye bye, Blagojevich? While you mull that, here’s how America’s go-to newsman, currently residing in the tank marked with the magical “O” logo on the side, is prioritizing the news. Maybe I spoke too soon about the Age of Aquarius. Don’t let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment.
AP did a great job in highlighting this. Rezko got 16 convictions out of 24 counts in the indictment, including conspiracy to extort, two counts of aiding and abetting bribery, two separate counts of money laundering, and multiple counts of wire and mail fraud. Put those all together, and it spells a lot of prison time for Rezko.
The Rezko conviction itself provides an indirect shot at Barack Obama for the moment, showing the kind of people with whom he associated while a Chicago politician. Over the last three months, we have seen Obama’s associates such Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger “damn America”, while his relationship with unrepentant domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn — both of whom still talk about “overthrowing capitalism” — shows Obama to be mighty comfortable around radical anti-American sentiment. Now we can add a convicted crook to that circle of associates, especially since Rezko raised over a quarter-million dollars for Obama during the same period in which he committed the crime and corruption for which he was convicted today.
That could change between now and Rezko’s sentencing. Rezko’s defense chose not to call any witnesses, arguing that the prosecution hadn’t proved the case. The wire and mail fraud counts can bring 5 years each alone, and it’s probable that Rezko will get a sentence that will keep him in prison for life. If Rezko wants to avoid dying in prison, he’ll start cutting deals. The primary target for those kinds of deals would be Governor Rod Blagojevich, who got tied to a specific bribe during the trial. If Rezko knows where bodies are buried with Obama, this ceases to be an indirect problem and starts being a potential political catastrophe.
So far, Obama has been lucky in regards to Rezko. The conviction changes that considerably
admin, thats significant that he chose to go to jail immediately, they only ever do that if they fear they will be targeted to be killed or if they are about to turn state’s evidence.
Rezko is now in effect protective custody.
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First we find out that his political career has been bankrolled by an indicted (now convicted) political fixer….
Thenwe find out that he gets his “street cred” in his chosen neighborhood from a radical Anti-American racist….
Then we find out that he launches his career at the home of an unrepentant domestic terrorist, thereby grabbing the white guilt vote…..
Then we NOMINATE HIM FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES over an experienced, vetted patriot as HRC.
Only the dems
Geesh….we deserve to lose.
Dont shoot the messenger;
ABC’s Headline is “Clinton to concede Friday.”
Clinton Says Goodbye to Campaign Staff
Many Clinton Campaign Staffers Are Told Their Last Day Is Friday
By KATE SNOW, ELOISE HARPER, SUNLEN MILLER and JENNIFER PARKER
June 4, 2008 —
One day after Sen. Hillary Clinton lost her fight to be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, she made an emotional visit to her staff at her campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va. just after most of them had been told they would no longer have to report to work after Friday.
However Clinton has not told her staff if and when she will officially concede the race to Sen. Barack Obama.
“She is listening. Nothing set,” a senior Clinton adviser told ABC News’ Kate Snow.
The Clinton adviser said the candidate spoke to staff and with her core team, and then talked to groups of superdelegates.
A campaign staff member who was in the room said Clinton invited all of her campaign staff to come to her Washington, D.C., home on Friday.
Before Clinton arrived, the staff was told that they would be paid through June 15th.
But the bulk of the people working for her campaign were told their last day of work would be Friday. Another source who was not in the room but heard about the visit said junior staffers were emotional and some were crying.
As Clinton left her headquarters, she waved to cameras outside.
Clinton Refuses to Concede Race
Despite the settled delegate math Obama needed 2,118 delegates to win and has 2,166 to Clinton’s 1919, according to ABC News’ delegate scorecard, Clinton has said she will take a few days to think about her next move.
But some of her most loyal backers have begun to publicly urge her to exit the race and unify the Democratic Party behind Obama.
“Unless she has some good reasons which I can’t think of I really think we ought to get on with endorsements [of Obama] and dealing with what we have to deal with & so we can move forward,” New York Congressman Charlie Rangel told ABC News’ Kate Snow.
Obama-Clinton Joint Ticket Talk Swirls
Meanwhile Obama swung into general election mode Wednesday, announcing that he had tapped three people, including President John F. Kennedy’s daughter, Caroline Kennedy, to lead his search for a vice-presidential nominee.
Speculation swirled in Washington about whether Obama would ask Clinton to join his ticket. Clinton had signaled Tuesday that she was “open” to being Obama’s running-mate if he asked.
However, Rangel said he’s not sure the vice presidency is what Clinton is after.
“The fact that she said that she would be willing to serve as vice president doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s seeking the vice president’s job,” Rangel said.
Rivals Have ‘Chance Encounter’
Clinton and Obama bumped into each other Wednesday morning after they each delivered speeches at the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington, D.C.
Obama campaign spokesperson Linda Douglass characterized it as a “brief encounter in the hallway” and a “chance encounter,” but said she didn’t know if they spoke.
There was no public pressure from Obama’s campaign on Clinton to formally exit the race. “She has a right to proceed from here as she chooses,” Douglass said.
Eager for the party to unify behind Obama, Democratic leaders released a joint statement Wednesday morning urging all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to announce their decisions by Friday.
“Democrats must now turn our full attention to the general election,” reads the letter, signed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Governors Association Chairman Joe Manchin and DNC Chairman Howard Dean.
Obama Praises Clinton
Speaking Wednesday to the pro-Israel lobby group, Obama praised the former first lady and thanked his supporters.
“We had an eventful night last night, and my staff and I may be still a little bleary eyed but we have a number of supporters in this room and we are very grateful for them,” Obama told a crowd of 7,000 people gathered at the AIPAC conference.
Of Clinton he said, “She has made history alongside of me over the last 16 months.”
In a sign Clinton may be coming to terms with Obama’s win, Clinton praised him to the Jewish crowd.
“It has been an honor to contest these primaries with him. It is an honor to call him my friend. And let me be very clear: I know that Senator Obama will be a good friend to Israel,” she said.
“And let me underscore that I believe we need a Democratic president in the White House,” Clinton said.
McCain Challenges Obama to Debate
Not waiting for any dust to settle on Obama’s Democratic nomination victory, presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain Wednesday challenged Obama to a series of debates.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in Baton Rogue, La., McCain said he sent Obama a letter proposing a series of debates 10 in all, once a week starting as soon as June 12. That number of debates is two or three times more than general election candidates have held in recent years.
“I don’t think we need any big media-run production, no process question from reporters, no spin rooms,” McCain said. “Just two Americans running for office in the greatest nation on earth, responding to the questions of the people whose trust we must earn.”
The Obama campaign said the idea of joint town hall meetings instead of traditional debates is “appealing” but deferred on making a firm commitment.
“We would recommend a format that is less structured and lengthier than the McCain campaign suggests, one that more closely resembles the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas,” read a statement from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.
“But, having just secured our party’s nomination, this is one of the many items we will be addressing in the coming days and look forward to discussing it with the McCain campaign.”
Obama Woos Jewish Lobby
Obama Wednesday said he needed to correct some “willful mischaracterizations” that McCain made about his positions in his own speech at the the AIPAC conference earlier in the week.
McCain has regularly blasted Obama over his response at a CNN/YouTube Democratic presidential debate last summer that he would be willing as president to meet with leaders of rogue nations including Iran “without precondition.”
“Contrary to the claims of some, I have no interest in sitting down with our adversaries just for the sake of talking,” Obama said at the AIPAC conference.
“But as president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leader at a time and place of my choosing if, and only if, it can advance the interests of the United States,” he said, noting there would first have to be “careful preparation” to “open up lines of communication, build an agenda, coordinate closely with our allies, and evaluate the potential for progress.”
In an effort to assure the Jewish crowd, Obama declared an “unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security.”
“Let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel,” he said.
Citing e-mails that have been circulating throughout some American Jewish communities erroneously saying that he is a Muslim, or unfriendly to Israel, Obama attempted to correct the record.
“They’re filled with tall tales and dire warnings about a certain candidate for president. And all I want to say is let me know if you see this guy named Barack Obama, because he sounds pretty frightening,” Obama joked. “But if anyone has been confused by these e-mails, I want you to know that today I’ll be speaking from my heart, and as a true friend of Israel.”
justmeinmountdorafl Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
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I am finished with the DNC.
How do they run that headline when their own story says,
“However Clinton has not told her staff if and when she will officially concede the race to Sen. Barack Obama.
“She is listening. Nothing set,” a senior Clinton adviser told ABC News’ Kate Snow.”
WTF?! More mixed signals or more media manipulation?
I think, Caroline Kennedy, is a definite ploy to woo the women voters. Probably, Uncle Teddy’s suggestion.
OMG was anyone just watching fox news just now???
I walked into the room and heard the tail end of them talking about “dead voters” about how as long as they (dead people)
remained registered to vote , it left room for fraud!!!!
OMFG!!!!!
dija: Where was this?
on britt humes show on foxnews
Gallup Daily Tracking Poll, today’s numbers: McCain beats Obama, nationally. Hillary beats McCain, nationally.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107677/Gallup-Daily-Voters-Evenly-Split-Between-Obama-McCain.aspx
birdgal,
it has the fingerprints of walking corpse Kennedy, that’s for sure. These ‘progressive’ male wimps make me sick to my stomach. They are using affirmative action to choose a random token female V.P. to try to woo back Hillary’s women voters. They frankly can’t stand strong women who are stronger, smarter, tougher than them.
To choose a token female V.P. is truly an insult to the historical nature of Hillary’s candidacy. She is running on her strength. She is not running as an affirmative action candidate.
Thanks God, the walking corpse, woman killer Kennedy will soon listen to the final verdict from all mighty. Hell or Heaven ? Who knows.
Kostner: It is insulting, to think that women were voting for Hillary, solely because she was a woman. They were voting for her, because of her positive leadership qualities, intelligence, and who she is. Another woman, will not suffice.
dija: what city?
OMG, I must belong to the stupidist party in the world.
They are not backing someone that can right now already beat the competion. They are backing someone that ties the competion, and has a lot of baggage they already have videos on. Never mind what can come out in two months or the October Surprise.
Yes, they don’t understand how they have offended women, and they want her to wind the election for him.
birdgal,
i agree. I think this will backfire tremedously on Hillary’s older female backers. Most of them have experienced a lot, believe me, they are stubborn and will not vote for waffle after establishing a negative opinion of waffle. Here’s why the stupid ‘progressive’ wimpy boys in the party don’t understand, I copied some comments from MK forum:
“I will say now without equivocation that I cannot and will not cast my vote for Barak Obama even if Hillary is on the ballot as VP. I voted for Nixon twice on the issues and have no regret for having done so. Of course had RFK not been assassinated and been the Democratic candidate, I would have voted for him. (People think the greater loss was JFK but I still strongly contend that the greatest loss to this country and its people was Robert Kennedy.) ”
This is exactly why Nixon beat McGovern by a landslide margin even he’s hardly likeable. The silent majority of the democratic party, the working class, hispanics, women gave McGovern a boot in the end.
Bambi won’t lose in a landslide thanks to George W. Bush’s disastrous reign, but McCain will beat him if ‘progressive’ wimpy boys continue to give this egomaniac bad advice and continue to prop up his egos by ignoring core constituency.
kostner,
What is it with you and these Kennedy remarks I kep seeing?
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Agree totally kostner. It’s totally patronizing.
Kostner: why do you go to the MK Forum? I am a figure skating fan. Just wondering.
admin Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=6185320#
Rezko, who is scheduled for sentencing in September, surprised even his attorney by opting to begin serving his time immediately.
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smart man !! he knows that no one will take a chance on him not to sing on them they would most definitely take him out ASAP
by serving immediately he has FREE armed protection
the way i see it Rezko is F’d either way……..he might as well sing!
birdgal….. i only heard what i wrote here, sorry i was out of the room now!
birdgal,
I’m a figure skating fan as well! I’m not much into MK though! I found their little political forum of MK fans, so I go there occasionally to get a sense of what’s happening in a non-political universe!
Who’s your current favorite ?
Caroline Zhang! Mao Asada! LOL.
Isn’t it amazing that the DNC credited Waffles with 59 +4 delegates from the Michigan primary where he voluntarily removed his name from the ballot as a strategy and in which no one voted for him and all the media include that number in their delegate count and yet the same media refuses to recognize Michigan’s popular vote?
Don’t worry. I know the answer.
And isn’t even more astonishing that GWB took us to war under false pretenses, Waffles has been associated and involved with known terrorists and criminals for 20 years, and yet poor BC, the best president this country had seen in decades, got IMPEACHED over a tawdry scandal.
And now we have Waters, Rengel, Patterson, Clyburn, the demented DNC denizens telling us Waffles needs us to rally around him now.
Meanwhile I hear daily reports of increased REVERSE racism against whiteys. A kid goes to school and is accused of being a racist. A woman goes to a bar for a couple of drinks and is wearing her HRC buttons and is accused of racism. Another woman drives through a mixed neighborhood and the HRC 08 bumper sticker elicits cries of racist pig.
All I can say is I’m glad as he!! I got out of the urban school system and multi-ethnic NJ town I lived in the past 14 years and escaped to the Catskills.
tale of it
basil9: That’s the thing that probably sticks in my craw the most about this whole process. The DNC basically FABRICATED the Michigan election. To me it seems completely unconstitutional, never mind the DNC ‘rules’.
I personally would like to see Hillary fight that decision.
Levon
Is anyone in Michigan fighting this issue?
Maybe this is up thread..just got home and turned on TV. CNN is saying that ABC along with Candy Crowley, GLoria Borger, etc. are saying that Hillary is dropping out this weekend??????????
I hope not!!!!!
Levon,
It’s futile to fight the party machine. Most of her backers will abandon her in the next few days. Politicians are spineless animals, all they care is their career & job. That’s why I don’t like Clinton’s mode of half-concession, half-fighting. She has to make a hard decision, but does she want to do. If she wants to fight, bingo, she has to be prepared to be abandoned by all those politician ‘friends’. Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up. That’s why there is an nuclear option in my opinion, to run as an INDY. If she even threatens to do so, all those politicians will start to sing her praise since the only lauguage they understand is the power of being humiliated in Nov.
OH! Caroline Kennedy is one of the ones vetting BO’s VP?????
Guess she’ll have to check in with her kiddies to find out who they want.
bob johnson: “she(HRC) will “ENTERTAIN” the idea of being VP IF SHE IS ASKED”
that doesn’t say to me that she WANTS to be VP at all…… sounds like something else
Don’t believe it, Southern Born — CNN has been trying to write Hillary’s obituary since Iowa
Per freeper, this is a scary but realistic roster of Bambi’s cabinet considering his history in that Chicago Madrass.
With Barack Obama claiming the democratic nomination, I decided to ponder just what might be a possible group of Cabinet members should he win the Presidency. Here are a few names that came across as possibilities:
Janet Napolitano (Gay Gov’r of AZ) – Vice President Al Sharpton (the ‘good’ Rev) – Secretary of State Charlie Rangel (Rep from NY) – Attorney General Donna Brazile (Gore’s former asst) – Press Secretary Kweisi Mfume – Dept Homeland Security Louis Farrakhan – Secretary of Defense Snoop Dog – Dept of Public Affairs Ice Cube – State Dept Director Oprah Winfrey – Secretary of Education
southern born
yes cnn is reporting that but they said something key in all that
“they don’t know for sure, they have no confirmation from hillary only “INUENDO”S”
Levon,
Subtract 59 +4 (63) votes from Waffles, switch the total number of delegates from half to full, giving HRC 126 delegates, give Florida full delegates, equalize the lop-sided caca system whereby urban voters got more delegates per voter than their rural counterparts and it’s clear HRC creamed him and he wouldn’t have reached the 2118-soon-to-be-2246 (or whatever that number is) threshhold.
Add to that the suspiciously timed Rezko verdict, the disappearance of Wright, the strange emergence of Phegmler, and the rumored but still unaired Whitey video . . .
kostner, I agree with you. Hillary either play hardball that is to run as INDP or concede to BHO.
heard on the radio abc said Hillary is quiting race by Friday, anyone else hear this?
Kostner,
‘Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up. That’s why there is an nuclear option in my opinion, to run as an INDY.’
I agree. Nothing good can come of her continued association with the Dems. NOTHING!
The time for cliff-jumping has arrived.
I hope she suspends her campaign and does not concede. There is so much more stuff that will drop on him. I hope to God she doesn’t go on the ticket with that prick.
The only good thing that would come out of her being on the ticket is that if they win it together .. the Clintons are still a big power base in the party. As it stands now, the DNC want them gone and perhaps vp right now would be there “finger in the eye” moment.
If she goes route of vp .. it’s for a good reason and I’ll support her .. all the while hoping that when the big shoes drop he’ll have to resign the nom and she would take over.
I still think she will be president.
Good grief, as Bart would say, people are having COWS all over the place, because Hillary hasn’t conceded yet.
NewMexicoFan:
kostner post this a few posts ago in the story here titled ‘A Kidney, A Stolen Election, and Puerto Rico’
This is getting juicy. Per townhall (can’t put out link), GOP senator Arlen Spencer is seriously considering calling hearings on MI/FL democratic primary situations!! In other word, Republicans are going to defend voting rights on behalf of democratic primary voters ! Shame on DNC…
I haven’t heard of any other potential challenges to the delegate allocation since then.
debbie, It is on the abc website.
ABC News has learned Sen. Hillary Clinton had a conference call today wtih Members of Congress and superdelegates in which there were discussions about her plans for getting out of the race, according to two Democratic sources.
All indications are Clinton will get out of the race by Friday.
Despite the settled delegate math — Sen. Barack Obama needed 2,118 delegates to win and has 2,166 to Clinton’s 1919, according to ABC News’ delegate scorecard, — Clinton had said she will take a few days to think about her next move.
But some of her most loyal backers have begun to publicly urge her to exit the race and unify the Democratic Party behind Obama.
“Unless she has some good reasons — which I can’t think of — I really think we ought to get on with endorsements [of Obama] and dealing with what we have to deal with … so we can move forward,” New York Congressman Charlie Rangel told ABC News’ Kate Snow.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4996520&page=1
Sorry just read up thread. Well the primary campaign is over and really she only needs immediate staff and advisors at this point.
I really hopes she gets some much need rest after all this..I know i do!!!
fox news said that Hillary is going to suspend her campaign not drop out.
Kostner,
And don’t forget jeremiah Wright, WH chaplain,
Doug Wilder; Chief of Security
Deval Patrick: Chairman of the ethics committee
Roland Martin: Communications/propaganda minister
50 cents: Music and Arts Attache
Let’s add to the list!
I really want Hillary to continue but I am afreaid that she may alienate African-American voters. Trust me, I had no idea how racially polarized this race has become. African-Americans actually think that Hillary is not only trying to sabatoge Barack Obama’s campaign but TRYING TO KILL HIM. They don’t think she should be V.P. because they feel that she may try to kill him. It’s just ridiculous!! I just choose not to think on such racially polarized terms and I won’t argue with them because it’s not worth it. They can go around thinking totally clueless, while I laugh at their stupidity. I think Hillary should return to the Senate and use her power and worth ethic as always and run for Senate Majority Leader. No V.P. NOT EVER! I don’t think she should campaign for Barack Obama, just do her thing in the U.S. Senate and watch his campaign go into flames and reject any notion of being V.P. Maybe BO will be lucky enough to pick John Edwards as his running-mate. That would most definitely put the coffin in his campaign. Obama won’t win; 100% sure of that.
Suspend means she can still work .. very good.
john Edwards as Attorney General
suspending is good!! NO VP NO CONCESSION!!!
obama F’s up a doozy drops on him and she’s the nominee!
Kostner,
“If she wants to fight, bingo, she has to be prepared to be abandoned by all those politician ‘friends’. Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up.”
That’s exactly what I thought. I don’t think anyone is going to give her the time of day if she only ’suspends’ either. Tough.
She should do what’s right.
vote on cnn(lou Dobbs) if Hillary should run as independent.
Clintondem;
2166 – Michigan’s 59 +4 (63) = 2103.
I give you the Illegitimate Affirmative Action Nominee.
But the ROOOLZ is the ROOOOLZ according to Cruella. That is, afterall, what her mama taught her.
And of course the rOOLZ according to Cruella change according to how her candidate is faring.
Hey! Didn’t she drop out of the party, yet? The SD’s are deciding the election! i emailed her that question the other day and got a single word response from her. NOPE!
2118
The next 5 months will continue to be the big media lurvefest of Waffles though. Now they will set their sites on John MCcain. I know that I will work hard to keep PrickWaffles out of the WH. He is dangerous. Just today he is flipflopping again but the media won’t even start to discuss it I bet.
What you wanna bet that Caroline Kennedy appoints herself VP. Sick.
put your name on hillS site i just did one of the 18 million
Gaza’s Obama campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g
Didn’t John Edwards suspend his campaign? Or, did he end it?
Dot 48 says:
What you wanna bet that Caroline Kennedy appoints herself VP. Sick.
That would be sick.
meiyingsu,
“fox news said that Hillary is going to suspend her campaign not drop out.”
I hope.
I wish it were a more reliable network.
Suspending the campaign would be smart, because it frees her up to continue to do high-profile appearances, and gets the MSM out of her hair with all their harping on her every breath.
It’d basically be her way of saying, all right Obama, here’s your shot: if you can win this thing, God bless you and the country will be better off; if you can’t, well, don’t say I didn’t told you so, and I’ll run again in 2012. And if you want me as VP, I will help you. And if McCain continues to lead in the polls and you slip further, and the party superdelegates want to switch starting quarterbacks, then I’m ready to go.
John Edwards and Willard Romney both had suspended their campaigns.
kostner:
I agree with you that fighting the party is mostly futile. However, I don’t think she should run as an independent.
I said basically the same thing last night, but I’ll repeat it here. I think Hillary has 2 plans: Plan 1a, which is to somehow win the nomination for 2008; and Plan 1b, which is to cripple waffles even further for the November election, thus giving her a good shot at 2012. She has to be careful how she treads, but if waffles loses in November, I think Hillary is good to go for 2012.
Plan 1a could be accomplished if she suspends her campaign and waffles looks like toast in November, due to something big coming out against waffles, which knowing his past is not out of the question.
Plan 1b can be accomplished by not tarnishing her standing in the Democratic? party, but at the same time undermining his campaign. I think a strong push for VP, which she knows will be rejected by waffles, helps in this regard. Remember, she’s saying all the right things now regarding waffles. She’ll need his voters in 2012 to win.
Look, Hillary’s a pragmatist. I think she’s more than willing to wait 4 years to be president. If waffles loses this year, 2012 is Hillary’s nomination to lose. She’d have overwhelming support from the democratic party voters (including AA’s I believe) and the party could not stand in her way. waffles certainly would not be in the picture.
Suspending a campaign, sounds like standard practice. Right?
VP gossip from WaPo:
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‘Dream Ticket’ Group Looks to Fund Ads
VoteBoth, a group founded by two former aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton, is ramping up its fundraising efforts with the expectation of sponsoring television ads in key swing states urging presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to pick Clinton as his running-mate.
“We have heard from many Democrats that they want Clinton on the ticket with Obama, and we’re grateful that they are supporting VoteBoth.com,” said Adam Parkhomenko, one of the founders of the group. “We are going to continue to push the idea and keep the conversation going.”
The group has been actively meeting with fundraisers over the last weeks and days as it seeks to draft a plan that would fund commercials in states like Michigan and Ohio among others.
Among the financial bigwigs on board with the effort are Iowa lawyer Jerry Crawford and New York investment banker Hassan Nemazee. Allida Black, the editor of former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt’s papers at George Washington University and a regular Democratic giver, is also helping the group collect cash.
Another participant is Philadelphia lawyer Mark Aronchick. “I am a deep believer that we need to bring the yin and the yang of our party together,” he told The Fix today.
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic reported last night on his blog that Parkhomenko had spoken with Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams in the aftermath of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on May 6. In that conversation, according to Ambinder, Williams expressed her personal support for the idea and encouraged Parkhomenko and co-founder Sam Arora to continue pushing the idea.
The effort would seem to face two major hurdles:
The first is that, to date, the only donors who have agreed to help raise money to fund ads pushing an Obama-Clinton ticket are those friendly to Clinton. In order for the effort to truly take off, the group needs to find a handful of Obama donors who believe putting Clinton on the ticket is such a good idea that they are willing join the cause.
Still, there appears to be very little interest in the Obama world to take part in such an effort. “It’s as asinine as having a bunch of donors threatening [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi,” said one Obama major donor granted anonymity to speak candidly. “I don’t think anyone who has any political savvy who is connected with Senator Clinton would think this is a good idea.”
The second hurdle is that VoteBoth is NOT a 527 committee. According to Parkhomenko, the group can only accept $5,000 from any individual contributor — meaning that the involvement of extremely wealthy people does not ensure the financial success of the effort.
It’s possible, of course, that many of Clinton’s donors — large and small — can be galvanized to give to this group in large enough numbers that it can fund a meaningful ad buy in key swing states.
UPDATE, 4:00 p.m. ET: Attorney Mark Aronchick said he spent time with Clinton last night in New York City and insisted to her that the party would only be “complete” if she was the vice presidential pick. “You each represent half of what we are,” Aronchick said he told Clinton.
Aronhick acknowledged that Clinton largely keeps “close counsel” and she did not let on her interest (or lack thereof) in the job. “If it’s the right partnership, I think she would do it,” Aronchick said.
If the two did wind up on a ticket together, Aronchick predicted a massive landslide in the fall. “I don’t know what state McCain wins,” he said.
Suspending her campaign is fine by me. As people here pointed out, Edwards and Romney did that as well.
Here’s the latest:
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080604/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_abc_dc
basil9:
I like your delegate math!! That’s exactly what I was thinking, and I think that’s exactly what Hillary was hoping to get. Unfortunately there were too many DNC members on that committee that apparently had no compunctions about gerrymandering an election.
Berkely Vox: ‘Dream Ticket’ Group Looks to Fund Ads
This is great news as far as I’m concerned. If these ads see the light of day in swing states, it will further alienate Clinton supporters when waffles DOES NOT select Hillary to run as his VP.
I see they are not wasting any time trying to get this idea out there hard.
birdgal,
what’s your current favorite figure skater??
I’m going to be following this ‘Dream Ticket Ad’ group closely. Looks like I’ll be donating to both them and McCain for the next five months.
The DNC want Hillary to concede so they can stab her in the back again and don’t have to worry about it hurting Obama. They need her to UNIT the party.
The problem is that the party is split and one of their most loyal core group was kicked to the curb to crown Obama. Why? Because the Male dominated Dems Leaders figure since they threw us a bone in WEAK ASS Nancy Pelosi they can now piss all over women rights since they figure Women will stay put in the democratic party because of Roe vs Wade.
That was their 2nd mistake…Roe vs Wade does not define Women Rights…the big picture is equal rights and equal opportunities for all. It was not the Republicans that went of a campaign to demean, dismiss and degrade Sen. Hillary Clinton with Blatant Sexist Tactics but the Democrats including Barack Hussein Obama.
It’s Hillary or McCain for 08 and I hear that McCain has got a lot of Hillary Supporters offers to Help him beat Obama in the G.E.
I just LOVE how the Democrats shoot themselve in the foot time and time again.
It’s going to be 2008 or nothing for Hillary. Democratic party is insanely stupid. I doubt Clinton can have a head-start going into 2012 even if Obama loses.
There will be another ‘fresh face’, a new ‘Obama’ that can appeal to MSM. Since MSM is simply part of the corrupt Pelosi wing, they will have the megaphone to prop up another Obama loser. I frankly believe the democratic party deserves lose, and there is a reason, they are simply stupid.
I don’t believe I’ll be waiting for Clinton’s turn in 2012 either. If she has no future in the party, why the hell make peace with the party? If she really wants to make history, just tear apart the party and form a new one, that will make certain the defeat of the democratic party in Nov, and she will master enormous power over which side the new party wants to side with in congress/senate.
I friggin don’t understand the Voteboth fundraising…who gets the $?
I wish Hill would just suspend her campaign, take a break and then come back and keep herself in the media, somehow. The only coverage she is getting now is atrocious and I don’t like the tone that some of her supporters are trying to beg for her a job .. fuck the vp, she is better than that shite.
UNIT = UNITE
Obama is NOT going to give the VP to Clinton…that B.S. talking. The ONLY way to BEAT Obama is to vote for Hillary Or McCain and since the DNC picked they President Obama…then the only choice is McCain.
I trust McCain, unfortunately I DON’T TRUST MY OWN PARTY LEADERSHIP…no HONOR or CHARACTER or VALUES!!!!
kostner, if GOP swipe the white house, the house, and the senate. The pelosi wing will be destroy.
well I say vote a straight
Republican ticket in the fall.
Fcuk them.
kostner:
I disagree. Hillary can have a future in this party is she plays the game right. Remember, this is hard-core politics. Not a weekly poker tournament with some friends. Sure, there will always be another contender. But this year was the perfect storm I believe. As long as Hillary keeps her core supporters from this year, and adds a reasonable amount of support from AA’s, she’s as close to a lock as is possible in politics for 2012.
I don’t believe I’ll be waiting for Clinton’s turn in 2012 either.
So your loyalty to Hillary has an expiration date? I don’t mean to chide you, but I just am wondering what your thought process is here. Are you saying that you want her to tear down the Democratic? party, and in doing so, her own career? What if she wants to keep her career?
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
birdgal,
what’s your current favorite figure skater??
Kwan was my favorite, followed by Irina, and Sasha. Other favorites: Kristi, Boitano, Browning, Kulik
To be quite honest, Kimmie has grown on me. I also, like Nagasu, Mao, Kostner, and some other ones, whose names are escaping me. I like Johnny and Stephane.
I have enjoy Bob Beckel on FNC looking like he is going to explod. He better watch out all that pent up anger is not good for you….he still has from August to the G.E. to get angry again and again.
meiyingsu,
it’s not going to happen thanks to George W. Bush’s disastrous reign. Obama is basically George W. Bush III.
Most likely the current party will sweep the house, the senate based on all indication this cycle. If Obama squeezes out another win, this will only strengthen the hands of the pelosi wing. That’s exactly why it’s so important to beat waffle at any cost. The only sure way to beat him is to put Hillary’s name on swing states’ ballots.
i GOT IT!
HILLARY SHOULD CHALLENGE HIM TO ANOTHER BOWL-OFF!
kostner:
I see your reasoning now. If you believe waffles has a good chance at winning, then I agree I would prefer to see Hillary tear him a new one by running as an independent in 2008. If she wants to go out that way, I’ll definitely support her.
dot48, She’s going to suspend her campaign on Friday. I think that’s the right decision.
birdgal,
do you post on MK forum?
I like Caroline Zhang! Mao as well, not much a fan of kostner. She got a big gift at world championships. can you visit http://www.fsuniverse.net political forum? It’s been restricted there…
dot48, The MSM has been treating Hillary atrociously for months. Nothing new there.
Levon,
Make no mistake, waffle has a better than even chance of winning in Nov since GOP is really in dumps. This is exactly why the current 2-party system is really dangerous.
In 2000, the far right wing candidate George W. Bush basically squeezed out a win as boring and stupid American voters were heavily influenced by MSM to seek some unchartered ‘change’, ‘unity’ having gone through the most prosperous time in American history. When presented with a moderate but ‘boring’ Al Gore and a right wing radical George W., W squeezed out a narrow win.
Now after a disastrous 8 year of going through far right candidate’s George W. Bush’s agenda, those same stupid but angry American voters are ready to dump everything for the same of around round of ‘change’ and ‘unity’. The only difference is that they were presented with a far left radical and a moderate GOP whose party is enomoursly unpopular. Make no mistake, waffle can squeeze out a win. The only sure thing to defeat him is to put Hillary’s name on the ballot.
Okay, does anyone else think that Dick Morris would better serve our country and all news and media outlets by keeping his mouth busy with that toe thing rather than being a pundit?
Kostner, The only way to prevent it is for Hillary to run as an independent.
Southern Born, right on!!!
tried to post earlier, but got hung up. question is, if HRC suspends her run, will she still be able to compete in denver?
ps – welcome back “secret”, “idunn” and my all-time favorite mouth…”okieatty”
hi guys.. I’m new here.. I used to blog at taylor’s//but I think she has given up on hillary.. quick question.. is this a strictly pro-hillary site?? no trolls?
bird, kostner .. I guess I’ll be watching skating soon ..
SouthernBorn LOL!! toe thing!
alcina Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
tried to post earlier, but got hung up. question is, if HRC suspends her run, will she still be able to compete in denver?
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True to form big media fucks it up. ABC says she will “concede” on Friday, whereas NYT says she will “suspend”.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that if she suspends she keeps her delegates but if she concedes she loses them. The big issue is the pledged delegates who are frozen I assume.
hello???
just went over to the John McCain blog, the exodus of clinton supporters to there is unbelievable.
levon,
The committee was the SAME committee that stripped Florida of delegates in a meeting taped by c-span (which i saw a couple of months ago.) It was clear even then (August 25, 2007) that the decks were stacked against HRC by the way the members almost gloatingly punished Florida. Cruella had the finla say and she did a 10 minute rant about how the ROOOLZ is the ROOOOLZ and everyone gotta follow the ROOOOLLLZZZ! The Florida fiasco was a deliberate set-up (IMHO) as was the primary/caca calendar, the designation of SC, Nev, iowa and NH as the first 4 states, the NON-punishment of other states that changed their dates and the in-the-tank BM coverage.
TTTT, by the way DNC threw HRC under the bus Saturday and the smug jowly faces of pumkinhead, tingle-thighs and Dobermann, I have begun to suspect they have been in on the plan as well. What I mean is, WHY has the BM counted HRC out from the beginning? Is it because they had the inside info that the election was riggged and the outcome already written?
Anyway, I want to go back to the original point but now I can’t see what I wrote above!
kostner:
Regarding waffles electability I hope you are wrong, and I’m sure you are too
I think he’s got at best even odds at this point. Who knows what the next 5 months will bring, but if I were a betting man, I’d think the odds of damaging things coming out about waffles are much greater than they would be for McCain.
The Republicans have made an art out of destroying elitist liberals in the general election, and waffles is about as elitist as they come.
from foxnews.com
“Democratic sources also have said Clinton will suspend her campaign rather than close it down entirely. By suspending her campaign, Clinton would retain nominal control of her delegates and could continue to raise money to pay off campaign debts. She also would allow late-primary states to finish up the process of electing pro-Clinton delegates to the August convention.
When asked about being Obama’s running mate, Clinton said she “was not campaigning for the position but will do whatever she is asked to do to help the party win in November,” according to a senior Democratic source. “
debbie,
do you have a link?
i wanna check it out.
PM: I apologize for my comment last night. I did not notice your reaction until a few minutes ago.
please vote
mccaindemocratics.blogspot.com
Who would you vote for in November
and
Gretawire.foxnews.com
ty
southernborn: I quit watching faux news earlier tonight. I can’t take that shit today. I cannot stand watching the made up stuff that they are sayin’ now like Hillary’s supporters are making racist calls to some senate office. I don’t know a Hillary supporter who would do such things. I do not believe that kind of crap.
wbboei
i remember romney “suspending” his campaign opposed to “conceding”. didn’t edwards “suspend” also? i am sure if HRC “suspends” the BM will be all over it calling her vicious names for not “conceding”.
i say suspend the fucking campaign..fuck everyone else.
dot48,
This Nov., if Obama is the top of the ticket, I’ll vote top-to-bottom straight Republican. I already changed my registration to independent this Monday.
basil9: Now it all makes sense. Those turds were already keen to the notion of disenfranchisement. I hope they are all keen to losing the support of literally millions of her supporters in the fall.
Personally, I am really glad Rosa Parks didn’t obey the ROOLZ.
Tim ..hello!
Strictly Hillary .. HELL NO TO OBAMA
Im going to register as an independent and promise myself NOT to donate to DNC ever until the DNC comes clean with their practice.
That tape exists but the repubs are waiting to see exactly what status Hillary is as far as vp…notice that Fox over the last few days did the hit piece on Bill .. again tonight trying to stir that the Clinton’s are not vetted…they want to be sure Hill is not in this cause they know the power base she would bring IF her supporters took to it like a duck to water.
This supporter wouldn’t but part of me wants her to do it so that she can say fuck off to Pelosi .. that bat eyed bitch
Something to note: Big Media writes things about Hillary that usually turn out not to be true. Beware of rumors. None of us know what Hillary will say/do in the coming days or months or years. In fact we can never be sure what anyone will say/do. The only control we have is over ourselves. We can only control our reactions and our actions.
Tonight we think of Patrick Henry: Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Big Pink is, was and will be a Hillary support site.
That said, Obama is unelectable and not qualified to be president. We will continue to publish accordingly.
Remember NOvember.
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
birdgal,
do you post on MK forum?
I like Caroline Zhang! Mao as well, not much a fan of kostner. She got a big gift at world championships. can you visit http://www.fsuniverse.net political forum? It’s been restricted there
I do post at fsuuniverse.net political forum, but I haven’t been there, for about a week. I have felt sad and angry. I’ll go back, because the other forums are great, and I enjoy it there.
Excellent article titled Congratulations to both Frontrunners; HRC won the popular vote, waffles the pledeged delegates.
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/04/its-a-tie-popular-vote-v-pledged-delegates/#more-2927
Admin, are you implying you know something,
I’ll never give a friggin penney to the DNC.
Again, if anyone gets that stupid survey .. mail back the envelope only. Let them pay the stamp fee.
tim, This is a troll-free zone.
Levon,
I hope I am wrong. But let’s be realistic here. The macro condition is dismal for GOP. Many sheep(ordinary voters) are just tired of GOP. Even Nader has a 50:50 chance of winning in such a year as a D. Look, McCain does look old especially compared to bambi. The modern politics is all about shallow soundbites, images etc… McCain will lose youth voters by a landslide margin since the young voters have no memory of crooked politicians, the question is whether sane older voters will be able to offset that demographic.
I’m sure waffles will play ageism card against McCain, but the danger is he will further alienate many Hillary backers who are older and have seen through his tricks.
BTW, NYT is reporting Clinton will endorse Obama on Friday, I think this is for real since her spokesman Wolfson made a statement. She is a party girl, she has no choice if she intends to stay with the party under tremedous pressure for pseudo ‘unity’. That’s why I believe ‘nuclear option’ is the only way to go.
Many we can put her name as INDY in swing states such as OH/PA/MI?
Get some rest for the next 1-2 weeks, it’ll be all Obama, all time by MSM.
No justeminmoutdorafl. What we wrote is what was written, no secret messages, or hidden knowledge. We wanted to issue a note of caution on rumors and to make clear what our editorial policy was, is and will be.
Admin;
We will Remember in November!
lol just playing with you admin, keep your posts good as it always has been. Obama is unelectable and I agree with you on this. It will continue to be apparent and this is unfortunate because this was the year that the Democrats had its strongest chance of winning back the white house and unforunately they’ve picked the weakest candidate with too much loose ends.
I post at FSU as well. God I’m ready for the skating to start .. Summer Games too.
I am so glad this site will remain for Hillary support.
No matter what she does I will always admire her fighting spirit, her grace and poise and her big heart.
It just seems a shame that the best qualified candidate in history is not being nominated.
The whole system was gamed .
ok, admin.
i’ll try not to get wrapped around the BM axle. it is easy to get carried away. things are a bit emotional these days.
One last item justmeinmoutdorafl: we have received Big Media inquiries and what we wrote is somewhat in response.
admin are you referencing the whitey tape by chance? Should we cool it till it comes out? Too many mentions of it going through the press for it not to have some legs
toll free but if you wish put it in hills contribute button.hahaha…
GO hillary GO!!!!!!!!
Madame President if your reading please get some rest and heal your voice i bet she is glad to be home and drink some tea or whiskey Lol and keep your tv off from
them dirty media scroundels,they think they know what Hillary wants..only she knows and the only one who knows and Bill and chelsea and MOM its her mothers birthday today christ leave her alone those media buttheads.
dot48 & birdgal,
what are your ids on fsu? when the political forum is still open, there’s an insane Obamabot ’satellitegirl’. She makes me want to puke… The typical, stupid, ‘young’(i assume), brainless Obama fan. Is she still posting all sorts of worshipping articles there?
‘Louis’ is good though . LOL.
It’s NOvember basil9.
admin:
Yes we will Remember NOvember.
Welcome Tim! This is a troll free zone. When one is spotted, they are quickly swatted away.
TM’s site has become heavily infested, and is no longer, as enjoyable.
Newsbuster:
Chris Matthews looked at Barack and Michelle last night, and saw Jack and Jacqueline. Opening this evening’s Hardball, the host was almost overcome by emotion in describing the scene of Obama’s victory speech last night in St. Paul, Minnesota.
Here was Chris, discussing the matter with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Roger Simon of Politico, and Ed Gordon of BET.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let’s dwell for one moment at least on the man who won last night. I swear. I had no idea this would ever happen in America. I don’t know if it will ever happen again. This is a trend, I don’t know, this is an odd occurrence. But it was . . . spectacular.
. . .
Last night’s magic moment for a lot of Americans. In fact, me included. That picture is right out of Camelot, as far as I’m concerned.
View video here.
GOP ad
http://www.gop.com/DVO/
dot48, no.
total matthews wet dream, kostner.
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
dot48 & birdgal,
what are your ids on fsu? when the political forum is still open, there’s an insane Obamabot ’satellitegirl’. She makes me want to puke… The typical, stupid, ‘young’(i assume), brainless Obama fan. Is she still posting all sorts of worshipping articles there?
‘Louis’ is good though . LOL.
ROFL! Satellite girl is too much, and there are some others. I don’t frequent the “Obamarama” thread, so I don’t know, what useless garbage she has been posting. One, in particular, I have on “ignore.” My ID is the same, as it is here. Louis is great! I used to dislike him, but with this election, he has been a great Hillary supporter, and gives it back to the kool-aid crowd. LOL!
please have a look at the gop ad. they will use Hillary’s words to attack BHO. if BHO loose, the AA will blame Hillary. Hillary should play hardball.
Hello everyone. First time to post here. I was a Marshan and I recognise some names here. I’ve lurked awhile. Really sad day.
I am disgusted
totally disguseted /
WHY the f**k they are pressuring her all day today .
I mean chris mathews,tara on cnn ,,and cambell,s big smile on cnn is pissing me off.
basil9
sorry, I was over at the john mccain website. its the official website go to where the blogs are
meiyingsu, that’s a GREAT ad. Thanks so much for the link.
This article in the Baltimore Sun is so good it needs to get into the hands of every womens group in the country. Otherwise history gets written by the victors–msnbc, cnn etc. I will send copy to my favorite: Emile’s List.
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Painful lessons
Primary reveals obstacles facing women in politics
By Lynette Long
May 18, 2008
Article tools
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Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post comment Text size: This primary campaign has been quite a learning experience, but the lessons have mainly been bitter ones for women. Here are some things I learned on the way to the Democratic National Convention:
•People are more sensitive to racism than sexism. My twenty-something daughter returned home extremely agitated after casting her ballot in the Democratic primary. “This white guy was wearing a T-shirt that read, ‘Hillary, cook my food, but don’t run my country,’ and no one said a thing. If I wore a T-shirt that said, ‘Obama, shine my shoes but don’t run my country,’ I’d be called a racist.” Doing or saying anything perceived as racist is not tolerated in today’s America, but that’s simply not true of sexist behavior.
•Most people aren’t aware of the insidious sexism in this campaign. I’ve heard commentators say “Mrs. Clinton and Senator Obama,” subtly implying she was a wife and he was a senator. I’ve heard Sen. Hillary Clinton called a bitch, a witch, and a she-devil on national television. I’ve watched group after group of predominantly male panelists on talk show after talk show discuss the election without a thought for female input.
•Women voters are not factored into the decision making of the Democratic National Committee. The DNC is concerned that black voters will protest and stay home if Senator Clinton gets the nomination, even though she is the stronger and more electable candidate. But the DNC doesn’t worry that white women, three times larger than the combined black vote, will stay away from the polls if Mrs. Clinton does not get the nomination. They expect the white women of the party to fall in step and vote for Mr. Obama in the general election.
•The rules for women candidates are not the same as the rules for male candidates. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy adamantly supports Mr. Obama, even though Mrs. Clinton won his home state, Massachusetts, by 14 points. Mr. Kennedy has repeatedly called for Mrs. Clinton to pull out of the race, yet when he was running for president in 1980 he took his bid for the Democratic nomination to the convention floor, trying to change the rules to unseat Jimmy Carter, who already had enough delegates to clinch the nomination. And let’s not forget that this year Mike Huckabee stayed in the contest for the Republican nomination when he had no chance of winning. He was committed to stay in the race until Sen. John McCain reached the number of delegates needed to win. At the end of the contest he had a total of 267 delegates, more than 900 behind Mr. McCain. No media barrage pushed Mr. Huckabee to withdraw. Barack Obama has not reached the needed number of delegates to win the nomination, yet Mrs. Clinton – who is fewer than 200 delegates behind Obama – is being pressured by commentators and the DNC to withdraw.
•In the world of presidential politics, race trumps gender. It appears that young, white voters are more willing to vote for a black candidate than young, black voters are willing to vote for a white candidate. My analysis of the statistics found that young white voters seemed to perceive race as less of a factor in their voting preferences, since more than half of them selected Mr. Obama. More than 90 percent of blacks have voted for Mr. Obama, creating a large racial bloc. Female black voters prefer Mr. Obama by essentially the same margin as male black voters.
•Politics is a mathematical business. Popular votes, electoral votes, delegates, superdelegates, precincts, districts and states are all numbers to be crunched. Voters are categorized by factors including age, gender, race, religion and income. Statistical tools such as trends, clusters, margin of error, polls, projections and polling preferences are all used to track candidates and predict winners. Pundits use their knowledge of statistics to select and organize data points so they can spin data to present their candidate in the most favorable light.
•Political commentary and election coverage is biased. MSNBC is called the “Obama News Network” by various blogs. CNN claims neutrality, but bias seeps through: In my view, its commentators Amy Holmes and Roland Martin are blatant Obama supporters; David Gergen and Donna Brazile are also Obama supporters; and Carl Bernstein and Campbell Brown don’t like Mrs. Clinton.
What else have I learned? That most Americans vote with their hearts rather than their heads. That voters make decisions out of fear and personal interest rather than out of principle. That all politics is local politics. That when voters like a candidate they will excuse almost anything, and when they don’t like a candidate they will parse every word and excuse no sins. I’ve also learned that the most powerful constituency is the media. And I’ve learned that true courage is especially hard to find – especially in a politician.
Lynette Long is a psychologist in Bethesda and the author of 20 books. Her e-mail is drlynettelong@aol.com.
from noqaurterusa
Obama statement
“I’m saddened by today’s verdict. This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.” – Senator Barack Obama
http://www.blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/obama_rezko_statement.html
what a f***king hypocrite
meiyingsu, That ad includes Edwards, Biden and others, too. Don’t worry.
Confirmation Hillary is endorsing Obama Saturday. They’re not sure if she’s suspending campaign or ending it altogether.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton
meiyingsu Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
GOP ad
Wow! Using the democrats words. That ad is deadly.
I’m wvgal57 at fsu .. rarely post there at the political forum anymore. The bots rampant rages .. won’t fight with them ..
birdgal,
have you posted anything recently there? I can’t find your postings there. That forum is also an insane site, lots of stupid gossips on figure skaters… mindless discussion on trivalty..
someone wrote this on noquarter (i am still laughing )
No, you stupid boob! It has nothing to do with race but with a corrupt, sleazy, inexperienced, idiot of an abomination, oh excuse me! Obamanation. Never, ever would I vote for him.! I’d vote for my dog Skippy before I’d ever vote for Obama.
Best T-shirt:
Crooked DNC &
$uperdelegates
=
Straight
GOP in November
ok, kids. shit’s on board. time to flush this toilet. see you tomorrow!
The trolls will take over TM and it will become an obama site. I gave my last farewell to them an hour ago. Here is a good post by princess peanut.
First the AP and now the New York Times.
Has our “media” lied to us before? Yes. Will they lie again? Yes.
What was that again re: Super Delegates? NEVER overturn the will of the people…UNLESS Obama needs the delegates to PROCLAIM HIMSELF the winner.
Didn’t Brazille vow to leave the party if that happened? So, when can we expect her bags packed?
Nevermind. What Democratic Party? After close to 30 years, I’m done. May 31, 2008…the day the music died.
Anyone check out the RNC press release at the Sun Herald? Ka-fucking-boom! Let the games begin. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone. Hell, we researched and found half the stuff ourselves. That’s what RESPONSIBLE political parties USED to do. The Repubs are gonna win more than the WH. They will expose this imposter because the Dem leadership chose NOT to. Way to level the moral playing field, Pelosi, Reid, Dean and Brazille.
I won’t be a hypocrite. Not for Obama. Not for anyone. I refuse to compromise my principles and beliefs because some yoo-hoos in the Democratic Leadership tell me to.
Stand for something or stand for nothing.
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
birdgal,
have you posted anything recently there? I can’t find your postings there. That forum is also an insane site, lots of stupid gossips on figure skaters… mindless discussion on trivalty..
Most of my recent postings have been on the Hillary Luuvrefest. Maybe, you can’t find my postings, becaue the forum is now private?
Other T-shirt:
Divorce the Democrats
Co-dependent No More
Sonia: I would do a triple sumersault corkshrew swan dive backwards into the fires of dantes inferno and vote for belesebub prince of devils before I would vote for bambi. Top that one,
Well nobody said it would be easy. They’ve thrown everything but the kitchen sink at her and she’s still standing tall. I admire and respect her more than ever.
Is it wrong to pray that Obama comes tumbling down before the convention?
Obama statement
“I’m saddened by today’s verdict. This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.” – Senator Barack Obama
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Not the Adolf Hitler I knew.
wbboei Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Sonia: I would do a triple sumersault corkshrew swan dive backwards into the fires of ,and vote for belesebub prince of devils before I would vote for bambi. Top that one,
I am laughing (but i don,t get the meaning of half ur words)
what is triple sumersault corkshrew , belesebub ,dantes inferno
I’d spend a night in my cat’s litter box for a minor miracle/
MollyJ…You bet! Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty!
wbboei
what the hell is the general assembly? sounds like russia or something.
wbboei, exactly…”Not the Hilter I knew”. I was thinking the same thing.
not my cat’s (plural) litter box………ewwwwwwww! LOL
no seriously!!! anything but that!!
Admin.
We’ll Remember in November. Got it.
YIKES
We’ll Remember in NOvember.
Of course.
I was just watching Hannity and Colmes on Fox and Hannity asked Ed Rendell this question (paraphrasing): ‘If we were to start the democratic primaries all over again, starting today, and knowing all that we know about waffles today, who would win the primary?’ Ed Rendell’s answer was ‘She would have stormed her way to the nomination.’ He also said that there were ‘Clear warning signals that waffles has a lot of work to do.’
Stand for something or Stand for Nothing, I like that
I Stand for Hillary Rodham Clinton, who withstood the terrible abuse of a sexually abusive DNC, and remained Standing, who won more popular votes, and who was told to sit down and shut up by a bunch of corrupt politicans who in many cases the Clinton had help.
I am looking for a new party, one that truely respects and supports women. and I will vote for McCain in the Fall. I doubt I will ever return to the DNC.
Check out this RNC video, about the Rezko verdict, “Obama’s Money Man”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_duAgLWSVY
Funny from the candidate of change everybody that he knows changes
Tony Rezko
Rev Wright
Fr Pfleger
Trinity United Church
For Obama no one is ever the same as when he first met them. WHAT A LIAR
Obama will be a blight and a stain on this country and the Democratic Party has decided to hijack the party embrace Obama and give the republicans another 4yrs so being the evil whiners that we are we should accomadate the republicans because this is the day the Democratic Party died and they will lose because Obama has lost the constituency and the glue that has held and has been the difference in winning and losing for the Democratic Party
white working class
women
catholics
hispanics
jews
bitter, clinging to religion/gun toting white folks
garlic noses
with that said
Hillary is the greatest leader of our time.
Love ya Hilll
mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com
SUGAR: wow, another great video. They don’t waste any time do they? It’s official… the Democratic? party is now the party of corruption.
wbboei,
go to noquarter. I think democratic party or some labour union backed Taylor’s site financially. Sadly, she will not be able to cheer for the downfall of bambi in general election. Stop donating to her site, switch to
noquarter. Noquarter’s traffic is exploding.
wbboei, Thanks for posting that article. It’s excellent. BTW, Ed Rendell is absolutely right.
This RNC video re: waffles and Rezko is just the tip of the iceberg. This is the sort of stuff Hillary tried to warn the Democratic? party about. waffles was nowhere close to being vetted by his own party. The RNC will make sure that happens now.
btw,
Clinton to endorse bambi on Friday, i think this is for real. She has no choice under the pressure of the party elders as it seems to me she intends to stay with the party.
Wow, Ed Rendell is truly amazing… Courageous…
If she stays with the current corrupt party, I really don’t want her to accept V.P. slot. She should stay in senate. Hopefully when McCain wins, she will be a leader to truly work with McCain.
Levon, can you BELIEVE how quickly they got that ad together!!!? It must have only been posted in the past hour or so because it’s only got about 215 views.
I just left TM’s site, and will not be going back. She doesn’t think, that the primary was rigged. I am, a political novice, and I know, it was rigged and gamed. After Saturday, how can anyone think, that this whole scenario was not rigged. Waffles, is an illegimate candidate.
SUGAR, yep, they probably had it ready to go before the conviction I’m sure. waffles, as they say, is a target-rich environment. The RNC will have a FIELD DAY with his associations and lack of experience.
I WILL WRITE IN HILLARY. PERIOD.
I am sure they have 5 months worth of ads that could come out daily already made and ready to go on day one!
Dee Dee Myers on Larry King studdering
bcc, be careful about that. I read somewhere that in some states, if you write in Hillary’s name, that your vote might just go to waffles, since he’ll be the Democratic nominee. I haven’t done any research on that to know if it’s true or not, but you will want to make absolutely sure before doing it!
write-in’s do not count. It will be a vote for BHO.
i am glad ,i never fell in love with taylor marsh site ,
she is sold just like other clinton backers .Chicago thugs with corrupt money buying votes and supporters ,
but he will hit with a surprise in NOVEMEBR — bacause any woman with common sense, intelligence, and any woman who watched this primary play unfair in front of thier eyes will not ever vote for obama
with them hitting him so hard so quickly……. and as they say a day in politics is like a year
not only alot can happen but anything can happen between now and August….. it was a smart move for hillary to suspend
and not end her campaign…….I bet by convention the DNC will be eating crow as we tell them we told you so
Sugar, thanks for the video. Sitting here in NE DC listening to the rain with my partner drinking wine (too much). Never will support O even if Hillary is on the ticket.
Dee Dee Myers on Larry King studdering
Wasn’t it her husband who wrote the vanity fair article the other day about Bill Clinton?
I agree.
A vote for waffles is a vote for waffles
Not voting is a vote for waffles
A write-in vote is a vote for waffles
A vote for McCain is a vote against waffles and FOR Hillary 2012
Yes, video was great.
The thing about the video is none of it is made up. It’s 100% true. The crap on waffles is so good there’s no need for making stuff up.
thanks guys.. I will make this my new bloggin home.. I don’t like blogging at taylor;s anymore.. she continues to support a democratic part that is NOT DEMOCRATIC!
thanks for the welcome!
me, I truely believe hillary will be the nominee in august.. she had to suspend, but that;s the key, she suspended NOT conceded..
she will have to “endorse” that empty-suit and even do some fundraisers.. BUT now the fraud will feel the full brunt of the GOP attack machine!
hillary was the firewall, that is no longer true..
and most of the stuff we know will be a SHOCK to the general public.
should be fun to watch him in the spotlight, harsher and brighter…
IF Hillary does concede to shut the f**k of the media,pelosi,dnc,obama camp ,—she will always remain the winner .
People will always think about her with respect, proud, love, pain and with the thought of WHAT IF?just like they look at BUSH and think of what happened to al-gore and think -WHAT IF?
Yes, dedf, which is probably why she’s stuttering, lol.
Rendell is never afraid to tell it like it is. If the Wright video had come out before Iowa, Obama never would’ve won there.
sonia, what have you been smoking?
what’s with so many people not being able to use the . , or – properly?
Now that I think about it, that was the point. Hannity released the video when he knew Hillary wasn’t going to catch Obama in delegates.
and -by august ,i am hoping ,all the tapes will show up ,all truth about obama will come up and theu will nominate HILLARY
mollyjrichards Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
sonia, what have you been smoking?
WHY ?what happened?
dedfg Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I will try to correct it .
Levon Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
1) Does Hillary want to be VP? Everything I’ve ever heard from her tells me she wants to be POTUS, not VP. The Dem primary election could have changed her feelings about this, but I’m still skeptical.
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My take: Hillary’s statement about accepting veep if offered I think is directed to SDs, that she’s willing to play nice, and how much nicer can you get than saying, “I’m willing to unite the party, if Obama is…” But I extremely doubt she really wants to be his veep.
My hope is that she NOT CONCEDE, because if Obama implodes, and she’s already taken herself out (”pulling a Michigan”), the DNC can do whatever they want, like recruit Gore or Edwards (who did not concede, probably for this precise reason, or as I like to put it, the “two meteor theary”).
Suspending her campaign is a much better route. But I’d rather she just announce, after seeing what SDs do, that she’s going to the convention, that BO doesn’t have it on pledged dels, and work the rules. I know it sounds a little scorched earth, but let’s think about Reagan in 1976. He was the outsider, Ford had the advantages of party support (hmm, sound familiar). He did not back down, saying that he was obliged to represent all the voters who made their nominating process so close.
After a good floor fight, his reputation was enhanced. The winner, Ford, went on to lose. Reagan became the immediate favorite.
If Obama doesn’t implode, we’ll take him down very effectively. Then in January, Hillary will start, with our help, building her case. And the DNC heads will HAVE TO ROLL. They’ll have to own the train wreck, and take responsibility for how badly they treated her (Edwards got more respect from the party heads). Clyburn, Brazile, old Liberal guard, we’re going to make sure your going to be stuck holding the bag: this was your guy you installed, you didn’t help the strongest candidate, you tore her down. Shame on you all. And we won’t forget.
Sonia, please don’t worry about it. It’s just an expression Your post above about Hillary being remembered as a winner just sort of reminded me of a “fairy tale.”
Well, there it is. Delegation of Congress members called HRC tonight and threatened her: concede to Obama or they would withdraw their support and would not vote for her at the convention.
No on has ever been strongarmed into ending their bid before the convention–even Kennedy that was 900 delegates behind was allowed (encouraged!) to go to convention and make his case–against the sitting President!
But not Hillary. She’s expected to be the good girl, play nice and pay deference to the second-rate Obama.
I am disgusted with the Democratic party. I feel betrayed.
mollyjrichards Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Sonia, please don’t worry about it
Oh ,Ok,
spega Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
r u serious?where u read that ?
What’s with so many people not being able to use the . , or – properly?
I also meant to include spaces.
Wow, spega. If the DNC forced Hillary out, like it sounds, then needless to say, we will not forget.
spega: I think, that is why, so many of us, have left the party. I changed my voter registration over the weekend.
DEDFG
Yes it was
was at HQ when we heard. bank on it.
Sugar thanks for the video link. We updated the front page. The Republicans know the potency of the Rezko issue.
Did any of you hear about Clyburn on tv whining about Clinton supporter supposedly sending him racist e-mail and threatening e-mail
when
Black congressional and any other black person who supported Hillary was threatened starting with John Lewis
duh
I didnt hear the media makin a stink about that.
No problem admin!
Seems like the DNC, is doing everything possible to prop up BHO, even at the risk of losing Hillary supporters. What a corrupt system. Affirmative Action for the presidency.
Oh yeah and it was Clyburns job to be the sheild and bring the black supporters back into the realm of THE ONe he was supposed to smooth the way and he is whinning about emails.
I am not sure what statement you are responding to Marie.
Thanks, spega. My mind is now made up – I won’t change parties but
I WILL BE A DEMOCRAT WHO VOTES FOR MCCAIN.
remember: NOvember
Marie, I heard this on television about reports of “racist comments” by Hillary supporters to the offices of congressional black caucus. How do they know they are really Hillary supporters.
sheesh,
you cant walk away for a couple of hours, cause when you come
back everybodies crying….
listen, if hillary suspends her campaign, fine, i’ve got work to do
anyway, i want these people who overthrew the democratic party,
GONE…
now if hillary decides to go for vice prez with obama, SHE WILL
LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY IN MY EYES. i cannot and willnot believe,
she would so demean herself and her supporters in this fashion.
there is no way in hell, hillary doesnt know the quality of the man
that is trying to get in the office.
to say she will do anything they ask her to save the democratic
party, is appaling to me…
she should be more concerned about saving the country from the
low life contingent advising obama…
and if she puts her weight and approval behind him, she is insuring
that a scheming racist thug, rules our country.
THAT, I CANNOT FORGIVE!!!
again i say to you, my devotion to hillary, will be sundered forever.
I WILL HAVE NO DIFFICULTY, VOTING AGAINST HER JOINT TICKET…
SORRY, i have the world of your children, and my children to think
about, i cant afford to be passive this time.
for those who say as she will, well i can help as much as possible;
i say when pigs fly…
if she is so gullible to believe they would give weight to anything
she and bill say, you are smoking crack. look for them to try and
bring bill and maybe hill up on phony charges as soon as they can.
this has been all about hill for the last year for me, but now its about
me.
ADMIN, i would like to have a place to plot the replacment, of
the traitors in the party, and hope you will be here for that.
but i am not onboard to campaign for ob/hill, i will be the one
wearing the mccain button…
marie3548 Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Did any of you hear about Clyburn on tv whining about Clinton supporter supposedly sending him racist e-mail and threatening e-mail
when
Black congressional and any other black person who supported Hillary was threatened starting with John Lewis
duh
I didnt hear the media makin a stink about that
Yes, I did hear about that. It was probably, BHO supporters, pretending to be Hillary supporters. BHO supporters have been known to act like that. Clyburn has been race-baiting this entire campaignseason.
No one complained, when Hillary supporters were threatened. This sickens me.
I am not going to change to let the DNC know that I am a democrat and voted republican if I change they will spin it as I was a republican to start when this fraud loses.
The vetting team Erik Holder has a lot of baggage but what do you expect from corrupt azz Obama.
tim,
go to ‘noquarter’, that has become a no-hold-barrel-anti-Obama site. I enjoy that site as well. TM is doing this purely on a financial reason. I believe her site was partially backed by labour union or sth. When we leave her site, her money will dry up. There is no love in politics, it’s all money.
Do NOT write in HILLARY in Nov. It’s meaningless, a write-in vote for Hillary or sit-out is one vote for bambi.
Vote for McCain, since he will have a net gain of 2 when a democrat defects to GOP. The humiliation and defeat of the current Pelosi wing is our ultimate goal.
You are right Birdgal
I thought that too that it could be Obamabots this is just more rhetoric too make Hillary look bad.
And did you hear
Carter it would be the worst mistake because of Hillary baggage and Obama’s baggage
Karl Rove said it is wonderful that he is willing to jump up on a stage and remind people of his 4yrs as president. LOL
If he knows Obama has so much baggage Duh and they jumped on his crashwagon.
PARTY UNITY IS NOT A ONE WAY STREET.
spega Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Well, there it is. Delegation of Congress members called HRC tonight and threatened her: concede to Obama or they would withdraw their support and would not vote for her at the convention.
No on has ever been strongarmed into ending their bid before the convention–even Kennedy that was 900 delegates behind was allowed (encouraged!) to go to convention and make his case–against the sitting President!
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Dem party heads, DNC, SDs, are all demanding party unity from Hillary.
But not from themselves?
Not from Obama?
It is their extreme antagonism that has started this divide, and they keep driving the wedge deeper. 5/31 RBC was another turning point, the coming out party for the Fixers. Then the SDs having to make sure Obama crossed some imaginary “finish line”. What happened to Brazile’s, “If 795 SDs decide this, I’m outta here”????
Such do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do hypocrisy enforces that They dont’ want us in Their Party. You heard Brazile and Axelrod, they have New friends to play with “urban, urbane, smarty, witty, people of color, rich”.
They don’t need us bitter whities and latinos and women and middle/lower class folks. We’re the old coalition.
“YESTERDAY’S COALITION” WILL VOTE YOU OUT…TODAY.
We’ll take our organizing skills and energy to ensure Obama’s career trajectory is short. How will he follow up a 40-something state landslide blowout loss? Let me guess, after four more years of Senate experience, he’ll want to convince Dems that “With my additional experience, I am ready to take on President McCain a second time. We cannot tolerate a fourth Bush term”.
Fat chance. After getting rebuffed in 2012, he’ll find out that he doesn’t enjoy losing, and move onto some other scam. Tata, Obama.
“Walk softly and carry a big stick.”
Lou Dobbs: Do you believe Senator Hillary Clinton should run as an Independent candidate for President?
Yes 59% 5730
No 41% 3928
Total Votes: 9658
This is not a scientific poll
clyburn was a obamabot all year long. neutral my ass.
Dem heads threating Hillary. A great way to ensure that 18,000,000 get behind Their Candidate.
This November:
1. A write-in vote for Clinton, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
2. A vote for nobody, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
3. A vote for McCain, IS A VOTE FOR CLINTON
Because:
1. If Obama wins in the fall, Hillary will never be President and her and Bill are sent out to pasture as the Democratic party becomes the party of the Obamas
2. If Obama loses in the fall, Hillary becomes the de facto leader of the Democratic party and presumptive nominee in 2012
Will you allow the DNC and MSNBC to take away vote, or will you take material steps to re-take control of your party and your country?
It’s up to you!
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Do NOT write in HILLARY in Nov. It’s meaningless, a write-in vote for Hillary or sit-out is one vote for bambi.
Vote for McCain, since he will have a net gain of 2 when a democrat defects to GOP. The humiliation and defeat of the current Pelosi wing is our ultimate goal.
I agree .sorry ,my brain is fried ,i can,t think no more . i am just reading and agreeing with all of you .
rgb44hrc Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
“…After getting rebuffed in 2012, he’ll find out that he doesn’t enjoy losing, and move onto some other scam. Tata, Obama.”
My hope is that his ass is sitting in jail (if he can sit, ya know what I mean?).
Sorry rg44hrc
I will never vote for Obama
Hillary or MCcain
Gretawire.foxnews.com
go vote
We must start emailing, bombarding Democratic Party officials to demand they treat Hillary with dignity, to allow her to enjoy her trip to the convention, to represent EIGHTEEN MILLION VOTERS. THE MOST EVER FOR A NOMINATION.
We will also let them know that if they continue to harrass, intimidate, or threaten Hillary, that we will target their seats. We will not contribute. The Dem convention is going to be relocated to a picnic grounds under a tent, for just two days.
If they don’t understand now, they will soon. Denver won’t be pretty. It’s not going to be the Dream Wedding.
Should Senator Obama consult former President Carter on VP choices?
good idea
bad idea
on greta wire
I said yes consult we see how his campaign turned out Regan trounced him this should ensure that Obama has the same results with Carter and Kerry slam dunk.
LOSER
I am so done with this party. Everyone should vote McCain. let’s show this party If they think we will warm up to O , no way ever. This AA will never vote for him. I will vote all Republicans come November
Guys- You know me. I’ve been with her 100%. Tomorrow I call McCain and give them my network, my opp research–whatever they need.
Join me: spabeles@patriot.net
I’m setting it up
Clinton Supporters for McCain
SLOGAN:
“Remember in November” (thanks GaryinDC & Patrick)
# marie3548 Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Sorry rg44hrc
I will never vote for Obama
Hillary or MCcain
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Marie: Where did I advocate voting for Obama? In every one of my posts, I have only spoken on how Obama must be stopped.
Hi, Hillfriends: I am sick about the turn of events. Obama is the progeny of the primordial ooze that is the Illinois Combine. The question is: will Americans pay attendion in enough time?
I’ve always been an independent – attracted to the extremely sane economic and social policies of the Clinton administration. But, maybe the country might be ready for a real alternative third party made up of a good portion of American Women.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party
oh man
this day is the longest in politics and saturday will be .
I can,t stop my tears .I just can,t think no more.
neetabug, I’m tempted to vote all Republicans myself in November if things keep going the way they are. I honestly wondered if I’d be able to do it as I inched home in traffic this afternoon after the horrible weather we had! I think that if this treatment of loyal Democrats continues, I just may have to make across the board protest votes if Hillary isn’t the nominee.
Greta pew research women 43% favorable of Obama down from 56%
Internet petition circulating for clinton to be VP
Greta first poll 43% said they would vote for Senator Mccain WOW
Yall need to slow the repug stuff down. This soap opera aint played out yet.
If the Dems piss me off enough, they might find me voting down the ticket against them. NJ turns Red state?
I won’t, if I research and can see proof that my SDs acted with decorum toward Hillary. But anyone caught “piling on” is going to get my wrath of a vote.
molly, I understand. I don’t think IT’S DONE. I’m ready to fight.
I just want the Dems to know that they can’t ignore us. If they won’t ever take us out to dinner, we’re going to get friendly with some nice looking neighbor…
spega – just make sure it’s Remember in NOvember!
(if I could I’d underline that NO….)
I still remember when nevada cacuses happened and i sent some money to my temple ,praying for hillary win ,she won and i danced and danced .
I really hope ,by august ,all the obama truth will come out and she will be the nominee ,at least i hope so and i will pray for it .
I
I plan to vote straight republican .. if babmi wins, he’ll have enough repubs to keep him from running amok.
A full congress and senate with Bambi will be a trainwreck for the country….
RGB44hrc
No I never meant that you were voting for Obama
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
was only speaking for myself I agree Obama must be stopped and for me voting for McCain since Obama is the so called nominee I will never support him and will vote for MCcain if I cant have Hillary
June 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
rgb44hrc Says:
“We must start emailing, bombarding Democratic Party officials to demand they treat Hillary with dignity, to allow her to enjoy her trip to the convention, to represent EIGHTEEN MILLION VOTERS. THE MOST EVER FOR A NOMINATION.”
Sorry, rgb44, but I went there and have to sign in to send my information. I don’t want to give them my contact information. And, for that matter, I don’t want Hillary to give Obama any of my information. I don’t want Hillary to give that creep her database – that’s all they want. They think that if they have her contacts, they will win over her base.
I will never, never vote for him. I will never, never contribute to either Obama or the DNC. Together, they have stolen this primary; hijacked the will of the people in Michigan, Florida and evidently the caucus states. They are no better than the Republicans in 2000 and no better than thugs or muggers on the street.
curiosityhasme Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Other T-shirt:
Divorce the Democrats
Co-dependent No More
*****************************************************
Liberated from the Democrats. Vote McCain!
Isnt Nancy Peosi seat up this time is she running again.
no official statement on hillary site ,
pelosi
Marie: ALL US Reps are up for reelection every 2 years.
Informed in Illinois Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Sorry, rgb44, but I went there and have to sign in to send my information. I don’t want to give them my contact information. And, for that matter, I don’t want Hillary to give Obama any of my information. I don’t want Hillary to give that creep her database – that’s all they want. They think that if they have her contacts, they will win over her base.
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Hmmm, a good, valid point. But I’m sure there’s ways to communicate AT them (notice I didn’t say …WITH them).
As we are ALL in the slimy depths and reeling from all the emotion – the most painful continues to be the absolute BETRAYAL by the Democratic Party toward Hillary (and Bill) Clinton. Even though we need a little time to catch our breath (and some shut-eye) The fact that she has been forced out now by HER OWN SUPPORTERS rips my heart out. Looks like your own congressional supporters don’t take us women, Latinos, Asians, and other demographics seriously, either. Spineless creatures. I will search for websites to aid in their defeats. All of them. Starting with Kerry.
So, Hillary, here’s the deal. Our BACKWARD country has proven that women apparently are unelectable. A brilliant as you are, an absolute expert on policy matters, articulate, connecting with voters – the whole ball of wax. But our society demeans women more than ANY OF US ever knew. The closest nomination in U. S. history – any MAN running for President would be allowed to take his time, go to the convention unimpeded and have done so time and time again. But the fact that committed, uncommitted SD’s and your own supporters have been blackmailed, threatened, etc. shows the brutal force of the Chicago Mob. The Middle Eastern Chicago Mob.
Hillary – Why do you think Lou Dobbs, author of Independent’s Day would ask the question on THIS particular day, if HE didn’t think it was the RIGHT question to ask?
LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Not to wound you more, but obviously the Democratic Party that you and Bill led and made a fortune for – have COMPLETELY betrayed you. C O M P L E T E L Y. Disgraceful that it is, you are still by far the most qualified person to run for the Presidency in our lifetimes. That hasn’t changed.
ALL YOU HAVE LEFT ARE YOUR TRUSTED SENIOR ADVISORS, YOUR FAMILY, and EIGHTEEN MILLION (AND COUNTING) SUPPORTERS.
Take Lou’s question of the day as a huge HINT HINT….Okay, wait until his BHO’s shoes start to fall, and then – when your formerly loyal Democratic turncoats go down with him…we will still be there for you.
Letting go of the Democratic moniker may seem too foreign to grasp. But it’s ONLY a name. We have ALL learned the past several months that it has no meaning left, sadly. In fact, the DNC is nothing but a farce, a facade, a cover for radical extremists. The the majority of their millions of supporters don’t even realize that fact. But fact it is.
LET GO. Blaze a new trail. You have the ability to be the real agent of change that this country thirsts for.
The word “fairytale” keeps coming up. Well, let me give you a happy ending to this story. Goldilocks won because her views weren’t TOO left, or TOO right, they were JUST RIGHT. We need your moderation on the issues that matter to us most and your practicality. Desperately.
Independent is JUST RIGHT.
Is this the year for Pelosi because I saw an article about Cindy Sheeehan challenging Pelosi for her seat and was asking for donations.
Curiosity – hear, HEAR!
RE Jimmy Carter advising Waffles on VP choices:
good idea 17% (351 votes)
bad idea 83% (1748 votes)
Total Votes: 2096
Kostner is right. Do not stay home. Do not write-in. Vote McCain.
Let’s give BO, his surrogates, his supporters, the DNC, and big media the one finger salute!
Doesn’t Cindy Sheehan support The One? Pelosi just isn’t moving fast enough on the war. Watch for it: With an approval rating lower than Bush, Pelosi will join Grandma, Rev. Wright, Pfleger, under the bus.
Curiosity, Extremely well said.
admin, you will most likely be getting a lot of new registrations from TM .. Hill supporters there are loyal, I hope they will join us here
Hi, Dot48! Have people posted a little “commercial” on TM?
Good night, all – got work in the AM.
Was asking because I was going to support anyone against Pelosi but I was not aware that Sheehan supported Obama.
thanks guys.. off to bed..
dot48.. you are correct, a lot of TM’s poster will come here.. NO TROLLS…strong supporters of hillary..
lynnsweet on greta
Hi Dot48, I saw you and Kostner talking about FSU. I also used to post on the Hillary Lurvefest there. I stopped when it became private.
They are at it again this will not be going away for Obama.
Greta showing a clip of Idiots demanding a meeting with the Cardinal who made Pfelger take a leave. The guy leading has a tie on that is a sign of NOI(nation of islam).
Greta talking to Lynn Sweet about these Chicago racist rants.
Gina Gershon calls suggestions of affair with Bill Clinton are outrageous has her lawyers on the story Looks like Vanity Fair may be in a little trouble.
Probably Nobama’s doing.
SUGAR Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
neetabug, I’m tempted to vote all Republicans myself in November if things keep going the way they are. I honestly wondered if I’d be able to do it as I inched home in traffic this afternoon after the horrible weather we had! I think that if this treatment of loyal Democrats continues, I just may have to make across the board protest votes if Hillary isn’t the nominee.
*****************************************************
Sugar, it’s not hard to do. I’m from California and I just could no longer support the Democratic Governor Grey Davis…who I had voted for ever since is first campaign…I like Grey Davis but when he signed that license driver bill for illegal aliens against the will of the people…I’d had no problem signing the recall petition and voting for Arnold Scharwzeneggger, who is in his 2nd term.
And here we are again the Democratic party going against the majority and placing this corrupted Chicago politician with one of the WEAKEST POLITICAL RESUME I’ve ever seen be nominated by a major political party, in the history of this country. On the back of womens and other core groups…with a popaganda media thinking they are better then the voters.
SO, should I vote to put all thses LOSERS back in power and elevate one of the most corrupt political machine in the country…Chicago and reward bad behavior by MORALLY BANKRUPTED POLITICIANS while our military is fighting TWO WARS OVERSEAS with this SLUG wearing the CIC hat that couldn’t even wear a Flag pin in his lapel while campaign? Or go to a ANTI-AMERICAN church that DAMNED American after 911 or Associates and accept campaign funds with KNOWN TERRIORISTS while campaigning for the POTUS?
And set the WOMEN RIGHTS BACK FOR A GENERATION and don’t think they haven’t done that…Don’t be NAIVE that over a year of BLATANT SEXISM and MYSOGINISTIC PROGRAMS doesn’t trickle down into acceptable speech…Puhlease.
I CAN VOTE for McCain happily and with no regrets as a DEMOCRAT and fight to clean house in my own party for the next 4 years. Because if you think Hillary is going to be offered the VP…by that WEAK ASS Obambi and continue to upstage him….is a fantasy that WILL not happen.
TEAM OBAMA has been at WAR with the Clintons and will do everything they can to wipe away the Clinton’s legacies because they are MORALLY CORRUPTED.
SO, No more being taken for granted TWICE by the DEMOCRATS…AS A Black Women I have been LIBERATED!
curiosityhasme,
Urgent alert. Kerry will have a PRIMARY on Saturday in Lowell, MA. A primary guy is challenging him to get 15% in order to get on the ballot, and there’s a news report that he is VERY nervous and contacted local politicians to get that guy off the ballot.
Go check that guy’s website, I believe his name is Ed O’Reilly or sth. Go to the convention on Saturday, and help that guy on primary ballot.
marie3548,
Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.
Now that is a Obama-Daly style tactic
Obama can school him on how to accomplish that since that is how he got his state senate seat.
Informed in Illinois and rgb44hrc:
I truly believe that we all get so “hung up” on labels that they thwart true progress and do not reflect reality. And the harsh reality now is that “Democratic” no longer means democratic. So, let ‘em have it. If the NAACP can stage a march to bury the “n” word, I’m all for burying the “Democratic” word as well. For me, it no longer exists. If Independent sounds too..overused…then something else could be more appropriate.
Back in the summer of ‘70 at Bluebonnet Girls’ State, it was the Nationalists and the Federalists. Why not recycle those? Again, it’s not the “word” or the “label”, but the PERSON, the LEADER. HILLARY CLINTON.
Kostner
Right ON LOL
I bet, Ted Kennedy had Caroline appointed to the VP search team, because he could not do it himself. Caroline and Ted are very close. She is not qualified to do this. Teddy is behind this, IMHO.
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
marie3548,
Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.
I believe, Shirley Golub, is also challenging Pelosi. I wonder, what the results of Tuesday’s primary were?
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
marie3548,
Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.
A pig with lipstick.)
O’Reilly Hopes to Oust Kerry from Senate Seat
Submitted by edoreill_admin on Mon, 04/21/2008 – 17:43 O’Reilly is a long-time criminal defense trial attorney who is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and the New England School of Law. He has also worked as a firefighter, a corrections officer and counselor and as a commercial lobsterman. In politics, O’Reilly has served on the Gloucester City Council and School Committee.
Kerry is out of touch with people in Massachusetts, O’Reilly charged, and has an inability to lead. O’Reilly contended that Kerry has not accomplished much in over two decades in the Senate and has often been on both sides of an issue in the name of political expediency.
“He doesn’t have a core set of principles,” he said of Kerry.
curiosityhasme,
Did you read my urgent alert! Saturday, there will be a covention in Lowell, MA. If Ed O’Reilly gets 15%, he’ll be Kerry’s primary challenger in Sept. Do some research, and you might help him out.
Boston Herald had an article, a bunch of Hillary supporters just ousted a superdelegate who backed Obama from a party position. So there’s a success story!
Well I will give money to whomever it is to get rid of her (Pelosi) azz.
“He doesn’t have a core set of principles,” he said of Kerry
Well, ain’t that the truth.
Kostner:
Thanks for the info. Caught a sentence late last night about Kerry running scared. Will definitely check it out. Then Pelosi…. Can’t wait ’til McCaskill runs again. She and many women need to get a dose of the same medicine that Hillary has had to swallow.
Hi everyone
storm in the area so my satellite is out
couldn’t watch hannity or greta 
I am trying to catch up here reading…..almost there
Please everyone, consider voting for McCain in November. It’s much better than either not voting or writing in someone else. A vote for McCain does double the damage to waffles. It adds a vote in McCain’s column, and takes away one from waffles. Put another way, 1 million people voting for McCain is the equivalent of 2 million people either staying home, or writing someone else other than McCain in.
REMEMBER: A vote for McCain is 2 votes AGAINST waffles. A vote for McCain is 2 votes FOR Hillary 2012.
Kostner, is Ed O’Reilly a Dem or Pub?
do you know whether Pelosi’s constituency has lots of Chinese Americans? She is a hardcore anti-China representative. Chinese Americans are not politically active, I’m wondering whether they’ll show her the door out.
filbertsf,
Ed O’Reilly is a so-called ‘progressive’ Dem. I visited his site several times. He’s very liberal, sounds like a quite intelligent guy. He’s against the war from the beginning. blah, blah, blah.
He needs 15% of votes at a convention in Lowell, MA this coming Saturday to get on the democratic primary baloot. It’s like Lieberman vs. Lamont all over again.
Go check his site if any of you are in MA.
Kostner, no. Chinatown is not part of her district. She has a lot of women and latte liberals.
Curosityhasme you are right I stayed up all night waiting on the results for Mccaskill and Webb.
Kostner: SF does have a large Asian population.
Retraction. Eigth district does include Chinatown.
marie3548,
I actually watched a clip of an interview O’reilly had with a boston TV station online a while ago. Hes quite articulate. There’s also a GOP challenger. I believe any of those guys is more qualified than flip flopper Kerry.
filbertsf: Doesn’t her district cover SF?
New Day Dawning: The Clinton’s are out of Politics
Posted 6/4/2008 9:29 AM CDT
There is a new day dawning: The Clintons are out of the national political scene. Well, mostly out.
Hillary didn’t completely concede her delegates to Obama, so she can still make a bit of mischief during the up-coming Democratic convention. That would be sooooo Clinton.
What has been so delicious to watch is the constant consternation Bill & Hill exhibited once they realized they were not longer the darlings of the dance. “It’s the most biased reporting ever!!”, he growled. Of course he said that during his impeachment crisis. I’m curious Bill, when was the coverage more biased?
But I digress.
The Mainstream Media has found a new narrative they like better than the guy from Hope. They have found HOPE. The Audacity of Hope. Hope itself!
They have found Obama!
While Hillary began to win more and more states, Obama kept winning more and more delegates because of the funky distribution system of the delegates. (Never mind that Florida and Michigan voters were pretty much frozen out because they wanted to vote earlier and Central Democratic Party just couldn’t have that! If Republicans had systematically disenfranchised so many voters, there would be a meltdown of such proportions that there would be a call for jailing of decision makers (if not outright executions!) Then there are the SUPER Delegates that could over-ride the Pledge Delegates (representing lowly voters). Sometimes lowly voters don’t know best, but SUPER Delegates do!)
And yet, Hillary’s time had come and gone. The MSM decided she wasn’t it. Obama was. MSNBC has practically become his un-paid Media Office going on and on ad nuaseum about how IT he had become.
The crowning blow, the moment you realized that the Clinton’s time had come and gone is when Vanity Fair devoted a long article to Bill Clinton, written by Todd Purdum who is married to DeeDee Myers who just happened to be, Clinton’s first Press Secretary. (What is it about Press Secretaries that seem to be such turn coats?)
The Clintons will always have New York. Her Senate seat that is. And possibly more depending on what kind of deal is made to keep them quiet and out of the way.
But the Obama’s should remember, there will be a Vanity Fair article for them someday…
P.S. Like all good scripts, Bill & Hill may be out now, but there is a sequel in the works: Chelsea.
http://www.chron.com/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=reec&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3areecPost%3a7da63c4d-f0b9-4515-88d1-0c95aa6be3f4&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending
about replacing pelosi..
uh that would be a no on shaheen…
unfortunately she is 4 iceburgs short of a polar meltdown.
no hope there.
there is this other kinda nutty liberal named golub, she wants
bush impeached, she has produced an impeachment play, uh,
these two are not white house material…
sorry, they are as empty headed as bush and obama.
but this republican woman is a business woman, with all her ducks
in order, except, she wants strick laws on illegal aliens…
hmmmmmm
other than that, she’s smart as a whip…
maybe we should have a little talk with her, and see how solid
her platform is…
hmmmm
hillary supporters are real pissed at pelosi here…
birdgal, yes. Chinatown and Riverside District.
Birdgal
I thought the same thing about Caroline when I heard that she was on the team to vet a VP fo Nobama. I thought weird choice and is she qualified all I heard when she came out to support him was that it was major since she did not participate in politics. DUH
skmf: What is her name?
skmf12
LMAO
Well Pelosi is too acts so dingy.
skmf12 ,
It doesn’t matter who you should support… As I said, a pig is worth supporting to beat botox Pelosi. Whoever has better chance in beating her, just go for it. I doubt Pelosi can be beaten though.
Marie: This is Ted, in the guise of Caroline. How predictable.
unseating Pelosi for Sheheen is crazy talk. Pelosi is very popular in her district, despite saying that impeachment was off the table. SF went overwhelmingly for BO, so it’s not likely many are too unhappy with her.
of course they think she’s qualified…..all Caroline seems to need is her Kennedy degree LOL!
Even if both of them are short they will be newcomers and will not be making any major decisions just following along with everyone else.
They sound just like Pelosi to me. LOL
DJIa LMAO Kennedy degree gr8t one.
filbertsf,
she may be popular now, but she’ll meet her marker one day…
Birdgal,
don’t worry about Ted, I seriously doubt he can last until aug. He’s clinching
Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday.
Marie: I guess, Caroline will have the inside track, into someone with the “nobler aspirations” of the party. What a crock. I am so finished with the democratic party. It is so corrupt.
the current makeup of the entire kennedy family disgusts me. They’re the truly beneficiary of affirmative action. Most of their family mmembers have no major achievement in life, his son, a drug addict, zero achievement, is now representing RI. Geez, talking about political dynasty… A bunch of walking corpses.
meiyingsu Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday.
I don’t think so. She supported BHO, so I don’t think, she is inspired by Hillary. Caroline is trying to capture her father, and camelot, which did not exist. She is chasing an illusion.
the republican woman running against nancy, is named
DANA WALSH.
actually i heard her speak once at the central labor council, and
as a business woman, she understood the delicate balance
between labor and managment, and made a fair showing.
she certainly is more earthy than ‘the that speaker b*tch*…
Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday
and I look forward that day… when I will work to defeat her and end her delusion. She worked tirelessly to defeat Hillary. Karma is a bitch.
Kostner: RFK’s kids are doing fairly well, and are involved in charitable work. RFK, Jr., Kathleen, and Kerry supported Hillary. So, some of the family has some brains.
skmf, you live in SF, right? You know Walsh doesn’t have a chance in hell.
if Clinton is not on the ticket, I hope she will not. McCain may well choose Alaska governor Sarah. She is a very attractive candidate with lots of appealing story lines. I think she’ll bring some excitement to our old uncle McCain.
they’re saying Kennedy told MA lawymakers, if he dies, he wants his seat to be transferred to his wife without condition! What a stupid stupid old man.
These so-called ‘progressive’ male really believe their trophy wives’ only function is to extend their very existence in the secular world.
Disgusting.
let me tell you all what, we may have to go to the lions den,
and negotiate.
the repugs, are all talking about extending the hand of friendship.
we are the best thing that could ever happen to them.
they know it.
just go on their web sites and be prepared to be welcomed. its
a bit awkward for them and us, but its not impossible.
lets face it, WE BOTH HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON:
WE ARE NOT RADICAL LIBERALS…..
that should give us all a point of references to try and work
out what we have in common, and what we will try and
compromise with.
and think of it this way, they have the machine to compete against
some of these powerful ‘obama liberal democrats’.
dont know about you all, but i’m ready to jump into the mix,
and see what rises to the top…
kostner: he’ll probably get it. the gov. is patrick. he is an arrogant and narcissitic old man.
skmf: In many ways, the Repub. party is split. The conservatives feel left behind.
well i checked out mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com
today.
birdgal:
I’ve been hearing a lot about conservatives feeling split as well. But I strongly believe that the prospect of a waffles presidency will bring them out in droves to vote for McCain. The far right of the party are those that hate elitist liberals like waffles more than anything. Trust me, come November they’ll be fired up.
marie3458:
Like another blogger wrote late last night, maybe her (Caroline’s) kids will tell her who to choose this time as well. Hmmm, let me guess? Not Hillary? By naming her, he’s playing up the “Camelot” story, and ALREADY delegating his duties. Remember, he’s not a “hands on” politician. Not the CEO type. Oh no, he’s much too philosophical for that type of menial “what’s-the-most-important-job-in-the-world” sort of stuff. Haughty and arrogant, can hear the “Camelot” soundtrack right now, as he lounges around blowing smoke rings like a cheshire cat. Too busy crawling into the back of limousines and sampling Lipton and Luziane teabags, perhaps? How very thoughtful to keep Uncle Teddy occupied. Kicked his other old crazy uncle under the bus. Never seen such pandering and horse$#!+ Spineless weasel hiding behind Caroline’s skirt. Or maybe the other two “searching for a Vice-President” are BFF Maria and Oprah? Giggle, giggle. Let’s have a fv
birdgal,
I’ve been study patrick for a while. There’s even an active anti-Patrick site. Patrick is the exact model of Obama’s rise. He has been performing dismally since then. I believe he’s the reason Clinton won NH unexpectedly.
Mark my word, Obama will lose NH, and won’t do very well in MA in Nov.
filbert,
that is probably so, but heres the deal, remember ADMINS post,
where she talked about ‘PRIMARYING’ THEM?
MAKE THEM RUN A PRIMARY ALL OVER AGAIN…
make them have to come home from the kingdom and
tell us ‘what have you done for me lately’?
make all these tired old facelift candidates, get out here and
work for their shit. but most important of all, send them the
message that they are replacable.
and you know what filbert, i like you i do, but you are a
glass half empty kinda person…
how do you know, if a group of pissed of liberals in san fran,
arent pissed at the whole war thing?
or maybe the ‘womens pac’ which is from here in san francisco
doesnt have a growing womans movement?
or maybe the latinos here in the mission, of which there are more
latinos in san francisco than AA’s, might be a wee bit pissed off.
and lets not mention the huge asian population, that came out
in force against obama…
then there are the lgbt who all backed hillary,
oh and how about those bitter white folk that do live in the city?
and you know san francisco is a union town, so they sure as hell
went for hillary…
oh and ofcourse filbert, there are the good old republicans…
so you see filbert, ITS CALLED A PERFECT STORM.
anything could happen to dear old nancys senate seat.
Levon,
Go to freeper land, a popular hardcore right wing site. McCain was extremely unpopular while other guys were still in the race while challenging him.
In the last few months, waffles has become toxic in an unimginable way. The hatred towards Waffles has exceeded their disdain of Hillary, which is quite astonishing.
Waffler’s vile anti-America past is the true power to unite the right. Uniter, indeed.
This was over on mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com
So there are people seriously jumping ship
Have you seen this…UPDATE>>
Clinton Supporters Offer To Help McCain
04 Jun 2008 09:39 am
Matt Burns, the spokesman for the GOP convention in St. Paul e-mails to say that the RNC’s convention office in St. Paul has received numerous telephone calls in the last few hours from people who identify themselves as Clinton supporters asking how they can help Sen. McCain.
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If you want to contact McCain go here. You can find your states information, mailing address and a phone number there.
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Idunn!
Saw your name. Am sitting in the storm cellar for the 2nd time in 10 days, 3rd time in two weeks, and for the first time in months, not making calls to Hill supporters so I have time to read.
Welcome back! though admit I haven’t read every word on here lke I used to…so you may have been back for some time. Fell asleep with my face on the keybd one night, in my bed, and knew I had to start getting real sleep.
Anyway, maybe rest of gang will return from their toiling in the political fields. Sawostner’s name the other day.
I have one more State Platform comittee mtng and the state convention left. Am not standing for anything at state…told one person I was so upset w/ the party I didn’t believe I could do anything more in good conscience. She agreed it would probably be best if I demurred when next nominated.
There goes my future in the party here. What started out as a Hillary passion became a fluke became a commitment became a chore became a disallusion will end up being a failed attempt will remain a once in a lifetime memory.
I have never witnessed women and like-minded men being treated so shabbily. And I blame Obama leadership for, if not stopping it, slyly turning a blind eye to it.
Norma Desmond and Jim have my everlasting gratitude and admiration, not only for what FDR has done, but for what it intends to keep on doing.
My batt is low…will send this when all clear. Already a 2-hor ongoing tornado warning. Longest I’ve ever seen around here. Based on computer doppler, it’s just stuck here, hanging out.
Later
skmf12
Good Point.
OH ADMIN,
I’M SORRY I CALLED YOU ‘SHE’….
SHEESH…
got lost for a minute…
no disrespect intended…
Oh yeah the camelot story they make me sick with that comparision.
McCain reaches out to disgruntled Clinton supporters
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) – Memo to disappointed women supporters of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton: Republican John McCain wants your vote.
McCain, the senator from Arizona who has wrapped up his party’s White House nomination, moved on Wednesday to woo women and other Clinton backers whose disappointment over her defeat by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama could cause them to switch teams.
“I would welcome any of Senator Clinton’s supporters’ vote,” McCain told reporters in Louisiana, adding he would seek backing from people across the political spectrum.
“I think there’s a lot of Senator Clinton’s supporters who will support me because of their belief that Senator Obama does not have the experience or the knowledge or the judgment to address this nation’s national security challenges,” McCain said.
Sound familiar? Clinton hammered Obama for months in the Democratic presidential nominating contests about his lack of experience and gained some traction with her argument that she would be better prepared to take a late night White House call on a national emergency.
McCain followed suit, complimenting her on Tuesday night even as he ripped into his new Democratic opponent.
“She deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received,” McCain said of Clinton.
“As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach.”
The strategy could pay off. Some women supporters have said they will back McCain over Obama — despite the former first lady’s entreaties on the campaign trail not to do so.
“I’m disappointed that Hillary didn’t make it, being a female,” said Brittany Ford, 19, a black student from Columbus, Ohio. She said she’s now looking at McCain, adding simply: “I don’t care for Obama.”
But Debbie Moore, a Cincinnati accountant, said she would stick with the Democratic choice.
“I started off as a Hillary supporter and ended up as a Barack supporter — but I can support either wholeheartedly,” said Moore, adding she was concerned die-hard Clinton backers would not unify behind the presumptive nominee.
“I’m concerned Democrats will blow it this year by not unifying,” said Moore.
And I hope Pelosi does lose her seat all those promises she made hasn’t done a dam thing approval rating looks just like Bush’s.
kostner,
I’ll be sure and check that site out. The right-wing radio talk shows all did the same thing too. Republicans are smart about elections. They will come together for the good of their party. They like order and organization. The Democratic? party likes chaos. I believe that waffles past relationships and lack of experience will more than likely be fatal to him come November. As much as the country doesn’t seem to like the path we are on today, the though of an unpatriotic person in the White House is not something the American people will stomach.
i cannot believe hillary is endorsing obama saturday-does this mean all her delegates are forfit? all these conventions comming up like in tx-her del retention will plumet. and we worked so damned hard.
Well his arrogant azz stated that he could get her supporters but he doubted that she could get his.
I will never forget or forgive him for saying that.
He will never get my vote.
emjay where are you?? what state?
Sorry, had to come back one more time before sleep with this thought:
If our Hillary is “not good enough” for Obama’s ticket, then she really shouldn’t campaign for him – I’m sure she wouldn’t want to risk doing harm to his campaign, after all!
No she keep her delegates until the convention because she suspends her campaign like Edwards did.
Levon Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
birdgal:
I’ve been hearing a lot about conservatives feeling split as well. But I strongly believe that the prospect of a waffles presidency will bring them out in droves to vote for McCain. The far right of the party are those that hate elitist liberals like waffles more than anything. Trust me, come November they’ll be fired up.
ITA. BHO may be the great uniter of the Republican party. ROFL.
Hillary should NOT release her delegates until the convention!
texan4hillary, hillary will suspend her campaign which means she still controll her delegates. I hope her supporters in TX still come out in droves to support her this weekend.
right
Informed in Illinois
Hillary better get out there and get that tape.
I am married to an obamabot I asked his azz if he had the tape would he sell it and he said
YES
Whatever.
I dispise Obama
And his Obamabot is walking on eggshells.
Hillary won’t release her delegates.
She will also not actively seek V.P. job.
Late Tuesday evening, Reps. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), who’d supported Clinton fervently, huddled in the House chamber to discuss Clinton as vice president.
“We talked about her future and the possibility of her becoming the next vice president,” Towns said.
There has been much speculation as to whether Clinton staying in the race would create a rift between Democrats. Clarke, however, believes that last night, “any misgivings we [had began] to heal.”
Clinton had a conference call with her superdelegate supporters in Congress on Wednesday afternoon. She told them the vice presidential selection was up to Obama and she wouldn’t lobby for the job. But, noted one participant, “She didn’t tell us not to.”
texan4hillary Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
i cannot believe hillary is endorsing obama saturday-does this mean all her delegates are forfit? all these conventions comming up like in tx-her del retention will plumet. and we worked so damned hard.
Suspending her campaign, means that she holds on to her delegates.
THIS IS WHY HILLARY LOST, some of her supporters did not
have what it took to stand by her…
they all scuttled over to obama to keep their jobs, just ask the
supers…
**************************************************
But Debbie Moore, a Cincinnati accountant, said she would stick with the Democratic choice.
“I started off as a Hillary supporter and ended up as a Barack supporter — but I can support either wholeheartedly,” said Moore, adding she was concerned die-hard Clinton backers would not unify behind the presumptive nominee.
“I’m concerned Democrats will blow it this year by not unifying,” said Moore.
****************************************************
OKAY ONCE AGAIN, lets all say this in unison okay?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY…….
ITS ABOUT THE THE COUNTRY, AND GOOD HONEST
HARDWORKING AMERICANS…
SHEESH….
Alcee Hastings seems to be the woman with the balls. I truly admire her. I assume she’s in a consistuency with lots of AA voters. She’s been sticking with Hillary, and threatens not to go to convention if FL is not seated. She basically puts everything on the line. Sometimes, I wonder what’s the point for politician with ball to actually want a job in Congress. It’s a corrupt chamber.
For me, it is about national security. BHO and his minions, do not cut it, and I believe, our country would be in greater danger.
And blow it we will Ms. Moore, because there won’t be any unifying. Especially now that HRC congessional backers have more or less forced her to end campaign. Agree with earlier blogger in that to stay home, write in , or vote Nadar is a vote for BHO. The only option is to vote McCain. Plain and simple. Other than the Dems who stuck by her through thick and thin (Sheila, Stephanie, and others), I will also vote for Republicans over those Dems who caved to the DNC & Pelosi. They need to see what it’s like to perhaps be the best candidate, but who cares? They didn’t stand for us, so we won’t stand for them. NEXT!
skmf12,
That Debbie Moore sounds like a masquerated Obamabot.
curiosityhasme,
If history is of any guidance, this will shock the punditry in Nov. McGovern got the power the same way, the so-called ’silent majority’(hardcore democrats) put Nixon on top by a landslide fashion.
skmf, I’m realistic. Do you why people get upset and depressed? Because they set expectation too high “this will happen, that will happen… then it’ll all come into play.”
I don’t play with what ifs. I don’t set myself up for disappointment when reality is staring at me in the face.
I want to go after Obama b/c we have a great chance of defeating him.
yes i know but it sure dampens the spirits of delegates and some may not show that is all friend
KOSTNER,
yeah, you’re probably right…
everything about obama is phoney,
even his ex-hillary supporters.
Alcee Hastings is a man
texan4hillary, Nancy Pelosi and her congressional backers force her to suspend her campaign. what can she do?
Joe Lieberman calls out waffles on his Iran double-speak today. Not even a day into his “nomination” and the Republicans are already framing his sorry azz…
Sen. Joe Lieberman is calling into question Barack Obama’s judgment and experience on National Security Matters – especially on Israel, on a day when Obama delivered a speech designed to make him sound more like a hawkish Republican than the far-left appeasement liberal that he is. Lieberman differed with many of Obama’s assertions following Obama’s speech this morning:
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a McCain supporter, challenged Sen. Barack Obama’s judgment and experience on Israel and national security issues, following the Illinois senator’s speech this morning at the influential pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, conference in Washington. Lieberman said there was “a disconnect between some of the things [Obama] said today” and some of his past statements.
“To be specific, I was troubled earlier in the campaign season when Sen. Obama compared Iran and other rogue and terrorist states to the Soviet Union, and minimized the threat represented by Iran. I think that’s wrong. Today he said he thought Iran represented a grave threat. I think the statement he made today was right.”
Lieberman brought up Obama’s opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman amendment that labeled the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization, pointing out it was supported by 29 Democratic senators. The amendment passed 76-22.
“That measure was supported by three-fourths of the Senate, including Sens. Reid, Schumer, Durbin and Clinton. Sen. Obama opposed it, saying it was saber-rattling referring to the threat of military force. If you look at the Kyl-Lieberman amendment as it was passed, it has none of that in it regarding military action. I still hope he will say that vote was a mistake and he will support that resolution.”
Lieberman also challenged Obama’s assertions that U.S. policies have had a negative impact on Israel’s security.
“Sen. Obama today argued American foreign policy in recent years has essentially strengthened Iran. At one point he almost seemed to suggest it helped to elect (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad and has made Israel less safe. I just disagree with that. Iran(ians) elected Ahmadinejad for their own reasons. If Israel is in danger today, it’s not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way. It’s not because of what we’ve done in Iraq, it’s because Iran is a fanatical terrorist expansionist state. Iran has a leader — and leaderships — that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.”
Lieberman, who was close to Obama when the Illinois senator first came to Washington, opened by congratulating him on apparently securing the Democratic nomination. While they remain friendly, Obama, like many Democrats, supported Lieberman’s 2006 Democratic challenger Ned Lamont, which Lieberman certainly hasn’t forgotten. It could be one reason for Lieberman’s decision to campaign with the GOP candidate. Obviously, with McCain stepping up his rhetoric against the regime in Iran, the issue could figure prominently in the coming campaign.
Alcee Hasting is a black man whom got impeached and pardoned by Bill Clinton he as very spirited guy I dont think they will be threatening him for supporting Clinton he used to be a judge before he was a rep in congress he lost his seat and got another I think that is how it went but he is a character not to be rekinded with. LOL
I guess he has forgotted those who helped him.
forgotten
yeah fil,
i dont discount your reasoning. been there.
sometimes you learn to fight for life, instead of wait for death…
Alcee has a longer memory than Richardson, and that Herman woman on the rbc I did not recognize her until the end hummmmmm boy the peeps that the Clintons gave a chance. I just dont know what to say it is unbelievable how so many peeps can turn on them.
filbertsf,
I understand where you are coming from, and I started preparing myself for this eventuality some time ago as well. But you have to cut others of us here some slack. Being 100% emotionally invested in Hillary’s fortunes is something they should be very proud of. The actions of the Democratic? party, on the other hand, is something we cannot take pride in.
Everybody will handle this in her/his own way, we shouldn’t be judgmental of them.
marie, you mean he hasn’t forgotten those who helped him, right?
Richardson… if there’s anyone whose career and reputation I want to see demolished, he’s numero uno.
Levon, this is not in reference to HRC. I was not prepared for her suspension or endorsement.
The banter is about Pelosi’s chances of being defeated.
fibertsf,
I agree about Richardson. He’s probably enemy #1 on my list as well.
gr8t point Levon
This is truly a sad moment I could not sleep last night the thought of Obama as the nominee last night just really tears at you inside.
filbertsf,
sorry, my fault for not reading for comprehension! ::beats head on table::
Yes because they made Richardson I was so proud of James Carville and then Mary Matlin was on Imus after the Judas Remark and she took up for her husband and defended it because she thought if he could stab those people in the back then how could anyone trust him and she knew for a fact that he had lied to Bill about not endorsing she swears that the conversation took place as James said and they Her and James dont agree on too much when it comes to politics.
So I beleived her.
believed
marie3548,
I got it. At least he has balls. LOL. Richardson is a disaster.
sry typing toooooo fast with these nails on.
marie3548,
I feel for you, I really do. I’ve been conflicted over this whole thing for a couple of months now and now exactly how you feel.
Please try and take some solace in the fact that waffles hasn’t truly won ANYTHING yet. There’s still the matter of the general election in November.
Remember the old saying, HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, LAUGHS BEST !!
Big Hairy ape when Lanny and James took him on one on one he was dam near speechless.
but he is spineless just as the person he supports.
kostner Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Hillary won’t release her delegates.
She will also not actively seek V.P. job.
Late Tuesday evening, Reps. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), who’d supported Clinton fervently, huddled in the House chamber to discuss Clinton as vice president.
“We talked about her future and the possibility of her becoming the next vice president,” Towns said.
There has been much speculation as to whether Clinton staying in the race would create a rift between Democrats. Clarke, however, believes that last night, “any misgivings we [had began] to heal.”
Clinton had a conference call with her superdelegate supporters in Congress on Wednesday afternoon. She told them the vice presidential selection was up to Obama and she wouldn’t lobby for the job. But, noted one participant, “She didn’t tell us not to.”
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Okay, now the knifes come out….Hillary is giving us breathing room until August. We need to put a little backbone on those cowardly SUPERDELEGATES that has ABANDON HILLARY by cleaning house and letting some elites know they are expendable.
Nancy Pelosi HAS BEEN A MAJOR DISAPOINTMENT and a WEAK AZZ LEADER….SHE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!
THAT LOSER JOHN KERRY…HE HAS GOT TO GO! Now lets see him invite OBAMA to campaign for him in MA this fall since TEAM OBAMA said they DON’T need HILLARY SUPPORTERS TO Help the Ticket.
Righ On Levon
I gues that phrase tells my age LOL
See I told you Alcee is a trooper they wont phuck with him he can definitely hold his own and like I said before he doesnt forget.
I am proud of Alcee Hastings for standing by Senator Clinton.
But there were supposed to be some old heads in the party who really dont want Obama.
We all have a surrogate Hillary now, and his name is John McCain
I’ll be rooting for him in the debates, complete with fist pumping and yelling at the TV every time he makes waffles look like the incompetent amateur he is. It will look like I’m rooting for McCain, but in reality all that emotion will be coming out for Hillary. Every time I donate to him, it will really be a donation for Hillary. Every time I post pro-McCain comments, they will be for Hillary. And when I finally vote in NOvember for McCain, it will be my vote for Hillary.
It is a shame that Arlen Spector wants to hold hearing on how they took delegates from Hillary and gave them to Obama he considers that an outrage and was stating the right to vote admendment and so forth.
Yep me 2 Levon I will just think of him as Hillary’s uncle.
marie3548,
Right on! Lets see, that must make you about… aw heck, I won’t even guess
I’m a 45 year old male, and I’m old enough to have used that phrase more than a few times 
kostner:
Right about the Nixon thing. Pretty bad when “tricky Dick” was able to turn around years later beating McGovern after Nixon lost to Kennedy in ‘60. In ‘64, Johnson (not too long after JFK assasination) whipped Goldwater in landslide. Seesaws tip back and forth. Although many think this election will be very tight like the past two Presidential elections, I predict McCain will beat Obama by a significant margin, probably not a landslide – but not a squeaker. BHO still has that closet full of shoes to drop which will continue to drive up his negatives and ensure that the typical white people, blue-collar workers clinging to their guns and faith to vote McCain, not to mention millions of disenfranchised women, Latinos (who like McCain anyway) and Asian-Americans. Overheard physicians discussing last week, and their unanimous opinions were that McCain will blow him out of the water. True, they’re all Republicans, but indicated that conservatives will turn out in droves to keep out the most dangerous person to our national security from securing the Oval Office. They also seemed to think that, just like the DNC and Pelosi had the “fix” in for BHO, the fact that a Republican administration is still officially in charge bodes well for their own “fix” if it comes down to it. Very interesting in listening to how the other side (Republicans) interpret the very same set of facts and information. Like listening to a “roving” Rove.
The Country of KENYA need to send a arrest warrant for DICK MORRIS for his involvment in their elections that cause all those deaths. It was Dick Morris Idea for that march and he is a accomplish to all those murdered people.
53 even though a woman never tells
I have to go it is raining and lighting
have a good nite all
marie3548,
Was his past really shady? I can stand a corrupt guy who’s intelligent but fiercely loyal. You have to have balls as a politician under pressure.
curiosityhasme,
I feel the same way about the election outcome. I’m cautiously optimistic. It won’t be a blowout, but it will be a sold margin I think. waffles past associations and demonstrated lack of judgment and experience will be his downfall. The Republicans will make damn sure that the country know exactly what they would be getting with waffles as POTUS.
If this were just a normal election year, and not such a bad environment for Republicans in general, McCain would win in a blowout. The economy and unfavorable war will make this just a good solid GOP victory.
The Villareal brothers have a very interesting perspective -
1. VP
2. go Independent
3. BE MCCAIN’S RUNNING MATE
http://www.villarrealsports.com
I support the McCain/Clinton ticket. It has so many more advantages:
-bipartisanship
-Clinton would “help” with the war problem; Clinton could possibly get her health care [that my family so desperately need]
-the scenario may be that Hillary is VP four years, and POTUS for 8 years.
-our beloved Hillary would be paired up with an honorable person; and would flourish
What I want is for Obama to ask Hillary to be President, otherwise we will use the hell out of “his lack of foresight and judgment” once again. However, IMHO she should REJECT the offer; but if did not offier it she should be so cool in promoting him that she would be ineffective. Hillary and Bill would be abused if she were his VP. I do not want that.
I wonder if Independent may be too late to set up; and costly, whereas, if she ran with REB/IND ticket there should not be much cost.
I have also enjoyed reading and posting on TM, but asked to be removed as a Marshan when she said that…a lot of things have happened in the last couple of days….I took that to mean one of two different things. Either she was bought out or strongarmed. Then the floodgates of trolls were opened and it was not pretty. I hope trolls are ejected from here.
See a lot of friends from other arenas here.
do physicians tend to be republicans? even they’re physicians, i’d like to believe they’re rockfeller type, only care about money, but pretty moderate on social issues. If they can’t stand bambi and decide to turn out, well, we’ll see.
marie3548,
Have a good night. I hope you sleep well.
Isn’t it arrogant and dismissive, for the BHO campaign and his supporters, to say, that they do not need Hillary supporters? We are 18 million strong, and this has been one of the closest primaries, ever. I don’t think, they will be able to register enough new voters to cover for us. Unless, they start registering dead people, which I would not put past them.
Admin,
I read my posts and can not believe the typos – anyway to get a spellchecker onsite?
ShortTermer:
I get my words underlined in RED if they are misspelled. If you’re missing an ’s’ or something on a word that is otherwise legit, it won’t catch that though.
Al Hunt, married to Judy Whats hername on PBS’ Jim Lehrer, is being a total pri*k on Charlie Rose tonight. He is editor at Bloomberg News.
I am hating them all right now.
ShortTermer,
visit ‘noquarter’… Taylor Marsh needs money, there’s no doubt. It was Hillary supporters bailed her out during primary season as she indicated in that latest Washington Post article.
I think she’s backed by some labour unions financially, so she HAS to support bambi. No quarter has become a very good alternative. Taylor Marsh’s coffer will soon dry up unless she starts to kiss bambi’s ass. She has a niche market tailored for Clinton supporters. When we fly, she just becomes dailykos 2.0, there’s no need for obamabots to hang around there.
Don’t worry be happy.
Payback a bitch!!!
Connie Schultz, partner of Sherwood Brown is being decent, as is Mark Halprin. Being smart about vp choice.
Levon:
The BIG fly in the oinment about the election is the Big Media propoganda, however. With the exception of FOX News, MSNBC and CNN will aid and abeit just like we’ve seen, in telling anyone that tunes in that BHO has a commanding lead, understanding of the issues, blah, blah, blah. So…that’s what may keep this too close for comfort. However, it is imperative that WE ALL stay storon, connected, and COMMITTED in assuring that BHO is not elected. The horrendous treatment of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton will continue to motivate un day in and day out until we watch the election returns that evening showing McCain winning all of the “must win” and swing states. THEN, we pivot in unison preparing for Hillary in 2012, and keep the Webbs and Warners at bay. We must stay united. Hell hath no fury like a woman’s revenge.
birdgal,
I think ‘arrogant and dismissive’ is an understatement! 15% of Dems voting for McCain in the general would be fatal to waffles. I think the only place he will significantly increase voter registration is among AA’s, but even there it will be limited. AA’s only make up about 11% of the population in this country. I think Republican turnout will be greater this year than it was last time, which would make it a new record. Democratic turnout could very well be suppressed a bit due to a large defection of Hillary supporters.
ointment
curiosityhasme,
You are preaching to the choir
I’ve got the same exact thoughts as you. It’s up to Hillary supporters to stay committed to NOT supporting waffles. If they do that in large enough numbers, then 2012 will be looking good for Hillary.
Per No Quarter
Patrick Fitzgerald Issues Obama A Warning
.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said the verdict represented “an antidote to the poison of corruption” that trial testimony alleged included the fixing of state boards that controlled a $40 billion pension fund and made major decisions about million-dollar hospital construction.
He expressed hope it would have an effect on Illinois politicians.
“If morals don’t get to them, I hope the fear of going to jail does,” Fitzgerald told reporters.
strong
What I want to know is how my Arab ER Doctor last night knew Hillary would be conceding over the weekend? He knew every step. How can this be? I tell you I think BO is a middle east terrorist plant! This Dr. is from Lebanon!
I am scared for this country, I truly am!
By the way, I’m looking for some good John McCain sites equivalent to this one for Hillary. Can anyone here recommend any (besides John McCain’s official site)?
Thanks!
Levon: I know, an understatement, but it is getting late. It is vile, vitrolic, hatred, and abusive.
confloyd: from some of the postings on TM and here, I think, the pundits were saying this. I don’t think, that doc had an inside track.
WASHINGTON — Now that Barack Obama has secured the Democratic presidential nomination, I am thinking a lot about Bob Dole. Admittedly, this is one heck of a free association.
It seems impossible for the mind’s eye to conjure up the image of the stodgy, former Senate Republican leader and consummate Washington insider while watching the young, charismatic outsider Obama bring his audiences to an emotional frenzy, as he did on Tuesday night when he clinched the 2008 nomination.
My thoughts turn to Dole not because he and Obama have much in common, though both served in the U.S. Senate, and both have Kansas roots. My mind wanders because one of Dole’s most likable qualities was his habit on the campaign trail of closing each and every speech the same way: “I ask for your vote.” This was the punch line to a story Dole would tell about a woman he’d known for years who revealed in a casual conversation that she’d not cast her ballot for him in one of his early campaigns. And why not? Because, the woman told Dole, he didn’t ask.
The question for Obama now is not whether he will ask for the votes of Democrats who failed to support him in the primaries — that is, roughly half the 35 million people who cast ballots. I am assuming he will. The puzzlement is whether he understands that one reason these voters remain so cool to his candidacy is that as yet, he has never really asked for their votes — and at times has been downright dismissive of them.
Since the Iowa caucuses and more strikingly, since the New Hampshire primary, the clarity of Obama’s problem attracting white, working-class voters has been apparent. It glared out from the exit polls before anyone had ever accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of playing racial politics; before the media narrative had taken hold that whites who voted for Clinton did so because of race; before Americans had ever heard about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The pattern was evident long before Obama was caught describing these voters as “bitter,” and therefore clinging to guns, religion and an antipathy to people unlike themselves.
The contours of Obama’s coalition even as the primaries closed — indeed, the foundation of his strategy for securing the nomination — was to stitch together the votes of enough college students and upscale, liberal activists with those of African-Americans to win the prize without the lunch-bucket crowd. This is why caucuses were crucial to building Obama’s delegate tally and why Clinton’s victories in big swing states, particularly in the Rust Belt, would not be enough.
But now Obama confronts this problem: These voters will have the final word on who will be elected president in November. “If you track blue-collar whites basically since 1980, they bounce all over the place,” says Mike Lux, a longtime Democratic strategist who supports Obama. “They’re the biggest swing group in the electorate.”
It is true in congressional elections as well as in presidential years. When voters who lack a college degree — a rough definition of the working class — vote Democratic, Democrats tend to win. When they don’t do so in great enough numbers, Democrats lose.
Obama still does not seem to speak their language, nor, toward the tail end of the primary season, did he seek to speak with them at all. His campaign plane barely touched down in West Virginia and Kentucky, where he ceded both states to Clinton. Why the snub? On Tuesday night, Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, was touting the emergence of a changing Democratic Party chock-full of new voters. But why convey, even inadvertently, such dismissiveness toward the old?
This is the sort of slight Clinton may have had in mind when she riffed on Tuesday night about “what does Hillary want?” One of the items on her list: “I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible.”
Obama’s own election-night speech was beautiful in its cadence, mesmerizing as political theater. Bob Dole, you can be certain, could never have delivered it. Still, the blue-collar and middle-class voters Obama needs to lift him to the White House aren’t much interested in joining a movement. They want their meat-and-potatoes concerns to be met.
Obama now must earn their votes. He also needs to steal Dole’s best line — and finally ask for them.
birdgal,
You’re right, it is very late. But you were right, the waffles campaign has been arrogant and dismissive of Hillary for nearly the entire campaign. He will never get my vote.
Listen to What Kral Rove is saying:
Politics has become hi-tech with sophisticated databases, the Internet, TV ads, focus groups and polls.
But a lanky Sangamon County, Ill., lawyer described the essential task of politics in 1840 in a letter to his Whig campaign committee. Make a list of the voters, he wrote, ascertain for whom they will vote, have undecided voters talked to by someone they hold in confidence, and, on Election Day, get all Whig voters to the polls.
Abraham Lincoln was a great president, but he was also a very practical politician. And Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama would be wise to take his advice. In a close election, organization matters a lot.
Mr. Obama’s background as a community organizer makes him comfortable with organizing. His supporters are demonstrating great energy and enthusiasm. Many are Internet savvy, making communicating with them inexpensive and fast. The long primary season has given Mr. Obama’s team time to grow, test and learn. Left-wing groups like the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) and unions are already actively registering new Democrats in battleground states. And Democrats now have a single national voter database, albeit more than a decade after the GOP built its own database.
However, Mr. Obama could repeat a big mistake Howard Dean made in 2004 when he had college students call on voters with whom they shared little. This violated Lincoln’s rule.
Mr. Obama has a serious problem with some traditional Democratic voters. He consistently lost blue-collar households in the primaries. A recent Pew poll shows him slipping among white women (down eight points over the past month) and voters without a college degree (down seven points). Mr. Obama’s support among Latino voters was a tepid 34% in the 13 primary contests with an appreciable number of Hispanics. He carried a majority of the Hispanic vote in only one state – his home state of Illinois, which he won by the slim margin of 50%-49%.
Mr. Obama also can’t count on his voter-registration strength. His allies Acorn and the NAACP pay a bounty for each new voter registered, so their workers often register people who don’t exist or who are already registered.
Mr. McCain’s strengths start with him doing better among Independents and Democrats than any other Republican. Three times as many Democrats say they will cross party lines to vote for him than Republicans who say they will support Mr. Obama, a recent Newsweek poll found. Mr. McCain is also winning 41% of Hispanic voters, according to a recent Gallup poll. And while he still needs to win over working class voters (especially Catholics) and older white women, the openings are there.
Mr. McCain has a superior tool available to him – the GOP’s Victory Committee, with its 72-Hour program that uses sophisticated targeting and vast numbers of volunteers to focus on Lincoln’s four tasks.
In 2004, the Victory Committee proved its value when the Democrats far outspent the GOP, but still failed to beat Republican turnout. Fueled by George Soros’s money, Democratic 527s (independent political groups) along with the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry’s campaign spent a combined $121 million more than Republicans. Yet the GOP registered more voters and identified persuadable households better than Democrats, and got 12 million more Bush voters to the polls than in 2000. Democratic dollars were no match for the Victory Program’s “microtargeted” database and detailed planning.
On the debit side, Mr. McCain hasn’t historically valued organization, dismissing its tedious requirements as unnecessary. Mr. McCain also has an “enthusiasm deficit” with grassroots GOP activists who work the phones, walk the neighborhoods and register the voters. And he has no grassroots groups to match the Democrats, outside of the National Rifle Association and Right to Life. Mr. McCain will have to build coalitions of veterans, Catholics, Latinos, small business people, evangelicals and women in key states to close the enthusiasm gap.
There’s time, but not much time, for both candidates to build effective organizations. Public interest is likely to wane in the coming months and then pick up with a bang at the end of August. The candidates will need to have their structures in place before then.
So how are the candidates doing in building their organizations? I had a colleague call the parties’ headquarters in 12 battleground states to ask who the Obama and McCain state chairmen were. Mr. Obama has four states with a chairman and eight without. Mr. McCain has nine states with chairmen and three without. Having a state chairman doesn’t automatically translate into an effective organization, but having one is an essential early step.
Mr. McCain has many obstacles to overcome this year, including a political environment that favors Democrats. Mr. Obama is stumbling across the primary finish line barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, and faces big problems in uniting his party. Organization could provide the winning margin in the fall.
kostner, good article.
The problem waffles has is that the GOP will define him as out of touch, unpatriotic, unexperienced, and downright dangerous for the country. And they’ve got plenty of ammunition to work with. Ammunition that he’s provided through his own words, actions and associations.
Blue-collar white voters are not inclined to vote for waffles because they rightly feel he does not understand them or represent their interests. The democrats lost with a bonafide war Hero in John Kerry 4 years ago. Why? Because the GOP successfully defined him as an unpatriotic elitist liberal. Sound familiar to anyone? It should, it’s been the Democratic? parties recipe for failure time and time again.
The political landscape is more hospitable to the Democrats this election cycle, but I don’t believe it will be enough to offset the huge liabilities waffles has with ‘middle America.’
confloyd:
Sleeper cell. Anti-Christ. Operation Board Game members include high-ranking Repubs and Dems needing cover, pardons at the very least. All the above. Will be an even much better movie than “The Firm.” Imagine hundreds jumping out of windows.
Patrick Fitzgerald hopefully has all flavors of birdseed, just for warbling banditinmates like Rezko, eager to play “Let’s Make a Deal.”
And speaking of physicians and hospitals, IMHO this “conflict of interest” re: BHO and MO and the hospital industry is the primary reason he is not for Universal Coverage for ALL Americans. He has been the agent of change for sure. He has acted as the ATM bandit, holding up the Federal Government for millions to hand over to his backers, each party paying the other off. Sort of like the biggest check kiting scheme ever. Following these paper trails and electronic transactions must look like a dozen mice trying to get out of a maze. The thing is – much of these monies BHO obtained appeared to be legit, but then when the paybacks and payoffs seem to pass through the same hands or to eventually create fraudulent fronts, you can’t lose sight of the fact that THIS MONEY BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS, and how could he NOT KNOW this was occurring? Again JUDGEMENT! Theft is more like it. Talk about making us all look like fools. Using the public trust to finance the Chicago Combine – the Chicago Middle Eastern Mob. Like Elliott Ness and the Untouchables, Patrick Fitzgerald has to keep at it until the bitter end. HURRY UP PATRICK.
Kostner, I don’t think Obama will ask for our vote, we are not good enough for him. He has a huge ego and will not ask, he believes he is entitled to our votes! He never apologizes either! The lastest smear he and his campaign did to poor BC, that was underhanded! He released a bunch of lies about BC to the SD’s to sway their votes! They did not want to go thru 8 years of BC’s sexcapades again and Obama put the fear in them again! That is unforgiveable!
Bob Novak’s gossipy article, excerpt:
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Just when it seemed on the last Tuesday of the presidential primary season that Hillary Clinton would bow to the inevitable, she enraged Democrats who expected her to start strengthening Barack Obama as nominee. During a conference call between Clinton and New York members of Congress, Rep. Nydia Velazquez suggested that only an Obama-Clinton ticket could secure the Hispanic vote. “I am open to it,” Clinton replied, according to several sources.
That message, promptly made public, infuriated Democratic activists outside the Clinton camp. Clinton was horning in on the climax to Obama’s amazing political feat. Worse yet, she was going public on a vice presidential bid she knows Obama does not want to offer. Talking about an unlikely dream ticket further slows the party unification process that Clinton’s critics say comes two months too late because of her.
She showed that her exchange with Velazquez was no aberration by not delivering a concession speech Tuesday night. Her extraordinary bid for vice president is a new provocation by Hillary Clinton, keeping with her repeated insistence that she is electable — an implication that Obama is not.
The backing for Clinton’s attitude can be seen in my personal encounter early Tuesday morning. I bumped into a septuagenarian former congresswoman who was a staunch Clinton supporter. She told me she awakened that morning with the realization her candidate would not be nominated. Well known as a no-nonsense politician, now she showed another side: “I cried, really cried. We came so close — so close.”
Tears were shed that night by lower-income, less-educated women, but also by accomplished older professionals, such as this former congresswoman. They see Clinton as the culmination of their long struggle, with triumph snatched away by an untried, untested newcomer. They complain that, thanks to the Democratic Party’s baroque procedures in picking a presidential nominee, Clinton has been defeated though she collected more popular votes than Obama and won most battleground states.
This resentment is reflected in a nationwide private poll this month by McLaughlin Associates, which usually works for Republican clients but is not connected with the McCain campaign. Polltaker John McLaughlin found a 49 percent to 38 percent edge by McCain over Obama among all women. That is an extraordinary result, running counter to a longtime Democratic advantage.
The conventional wisdom is that women, along with other Clinton backers, will be in the Democratic camp once Clinton actually concedes. But seasoned operatives for both presidential candidates privately advise that the length and closeness of the Democratic race make reconciliation much more difficult because Clinton did not leave the race once there was no clear path to the nomination for her.
Clinton backers who will now declare full support of the nominee in public take a different position when promised that their names will not be used. They frankly question whether Obama should be president. I asked one Democrat, a longtime political worker and sometime candidate for public office, whether he actually would vote for Obama. He paused, then replied: “Let me put it this way. I would sleep better if John McCain was president.”
That is the atmosphere in which Clinton has now offered herself for the vice presidency. One of her supporters, prominent in Democratic politics for nearly half a century, saw the handwriting on the wall several weeks ago and approached Obama agents to suggest a unity ticket. “There was absolutely no interest — none at all,” he told me. “They wanted no part of it.”
Washington lawyer L