Rezko Convicted – Culture Of Corruption – Barack Obama

Update: The Republicans know the significance of the Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi Culture of Corruption.


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The Democratic? Party of Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi has a Culture of Corruption problem.

We first wrote about Antoin “Tony” Rezko in April 26, 2007.

Democrats in Ohio used “Culture of Corruption” to rout corrupt Republicans from office. The Democratic? Party of Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi will be routed in November.

Rezko has now been found Guilty of Corruption. Birds of a feather flock together.

Rezko will now “sing” instead of spending years in prison. The song Rezko will sing is a dirge for Obama’s Chicago Culture of Corruption. The Rezko dirge will replace “Happy Days Are Here Again” the traditional Democratic anthem.

Obama cannot be trusted with the presidency:

What was Obama doing in his plush state senator office that kept him too busy to know that these “struggling families” were without heat “For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997″?

If Obama with all his “community organizer” experience did not know what was happening in his small district office in Chicago, how in blazes does anyone think he will respond to the needs of an American electorate that numbers in the hundreds of millions?

What was Obama doing in his state senate office while his constituents suffered due to now indicted slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama’s friend of 17 years? Well, Obama was busy writing letters to get even more government money for his friends, including Rezko.

Who did Obama take care of and who was he busy working for – his constituents or his now indicted friend Rezko who helped Obama buy a magnificent heated house?

Rezko is still Obama’s friend. Rezko looted Chicago tax payers. Rezko abused Obama’s constituents. Rezko is Obama’s friend of 20 years. Prepare for the Wright treatment Antoin.

To Barack Obama, Tony Rezko was more than a fund-raiser. He was a friend.

Rezko helped bankroll Obama in five election runs — for the state Senate, U.S. House and U.S. Senate. The savvy businessman with the North Shore mansion could bring in as much as $70,000 from political donors in one night. In the heat of a campaign, Obama said he sometimes talked strategy with Rezko daily.

Then, during political down-times, Rezko was his lunch or breakfast companion, more concerned about Obama, his wife and daughters than with posing for snapshots with the senator as he rose from political obscurity to Democratic presidential hopeful. On one occasion, Obama recalled, they wiled away time with their wives at Rezko’s Lake Geneva estate.

This portrait of Rezko emerged during an 80-minute interview Friday with the Chicago Sun-Times that marked the first time the senator has spoken in-depth about his relationship with the indicted businessman, who’s on trial on corruption charges involving allegations he orchestrated political kickback schemes in the Blagojevich administration.

The interview followed months in which Obama had avoided questions about Rezko and tried to downplay their relationship. With the Pennsylvania primary looming in five weeks, Obama said he hoped to clear the air about his ties to Rezko.

“We want to put the sense that we’re not being forthcoming behind us as quickly as possible,” Obama said.

The senator disclosed that Rezko had raised far more campaign cash for him than previously known. He said he was “saddened” by his friend’s troubles but would be “disappointed” if Rezko ends up convicted. For the first time, Obama said he was disturbed that Rezko had allowed low-income housing Rezko developed to fall apart. And he said that, although he had made a mistake in buying a piece of property from Rezko, “Does it speak to a trend of mine? No.”

Is Rezko still a friend?

“Yes,” Obama said, “with the caveat that, obviously, if it turns out the allegations are true, then he’s not who I thought he was. And I’d be very disappointed with that.” [snip]

Obama also defended signing a 1998 letter urging the state to fund a low-income housing project developed by Rezko and Obama’s former boss, Allison Davis — both of whom were clients of Obama’s law firm as well as campaign contributors. Obama said he didn’t remember writing the “form letter” until the Sun-Times asked about it last June. This was not one of the Rezko developments that fell into disrepair.

The senator began the unusual session with Sun-Times reporters and editors by recounting his relationship with Rezko, which he said began when Rezko and two of his partners tried to recruit him out of law school for a job at Rezko’s development firm, Rezmar. He said he met with them in Chicago for about 45 minutes.

“My assessment of Tony Rezko was that he was an immigrant who had sort of pulled himself up by his bootstraps,” Obama recalled. “Somebody who was active not only in the political scene generally, but also had links to the African-American community. I think he saw me as somebody who had talent, but he was probably also intrigued by my international background and the fact that I had lived in Asia and that I knew something about his culture in the Middle East.” [snip]

Obama picked Rezko for the campaign finance committee for his 2004 U.S. Senate run. Around that same time, Rezko had begun walking away from affordable-housing projects he was building with government funds, leaving some in squalor — including some buildings in Obama’s own Illinois Senate district. Obama said he knew nothing of those problems. [snip]

After Rezko helped Obama win the U.S. Senate seat, Obama approached Rezko about the house Obama now owns in Kenwood. The house has become a political headache for Obama because Rezko’s wife bought the vacant lot next door, with Obama and Rita Rezko closing on their transactions on the same day in June 2005.

Lter, in January 2006, Obama bought a 10-foot-wide strip of Rita Rezko’s lot at a time when Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation — a move Obama called “absolutely a mistake.”

After touring the Kenwood home with Rezko and his real estate agent, Rezko “expressed some interest potentially in purchasing the lot,” which remains zoned to accommodate town homes or a small condominium building. [snip]

Why didn’t alarm bells sound when it was known Rezko was under investigation? “Probably because I had known him for a long time, he had acted in an aboveboard manner with me, and I considered him a friend,” Obama said. [snip]

Now, the senator has decided it was time to talk about his friend.

“I’m saddened for him. I’m saddened for his family.”

Another 20 year friendship proven now as a mistake in “judgment”.

Obama is unelectable.

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742 thoughts on “Rezko Convicted – Culture Of Corruption – Barack Obama

  1. lol, as i said, is this actually part of the republican bombshell to come today and not MO.

  2. Now, let’s see how the fat asses at MSNBC and that other cesspool spin this…or rather ignore it to death.

  3. oh i think now this has happened, people will start looking a little deeper starting with Fox today.

  4. So now Obama suddenly changes his tune and goes all hawkish on Iran, the man is a first class liar and turncoat, you cant trust anything he says.

  5. Some hRC humor from the other thread:

    Hehehehehehe!

    At a staff meeting today HRC made this comment about the media bobbleheads;

    “That is the job I want. You can say anything without knowing anything!”

  6. Moononpluto, I mean to tell you this man puts his wet finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before he says anything. He is wretched!

  7. Isn’t it ODD that the Rezko jury couldn’t reach a verdict until the day after DNC crowned Pampers the king?????

    Waffles gets a free ride from everyone; the media, the DNC, the Repubs not releasing the whitey tape, the rezko jury waiting until after his apparent coromnation to reach a verdict. 👿

    And about the friggin’ TUCC tapes! there MUST be someone else on this forum who was as intrigued as I was back in Feb and who has deeper pockets than me and needed to satisfy their curiosity about all things Wright and who bought the DVD’s just like i almost did!

  8. Berkeley Vox:

    While I don’t disagree with any of your reasons regarding why Hillary would make an excellent VP, or why waffles needs her, there are 2 stumbling blocks to the logic.

    1) Does Hillary want to be VP? Everything I’ve ever heard from her tells me she wants to be POTUS, not VP. The Dem primary election could have changed her feelings about this, but I’m still skeptical.

    2) What has waffles, or his campaign, done to make anyone think he’s got enough brains to select her? They seem to be almost defiant regarding Hillary and her supporters. He’s arrogant, self-centered and fatally naive. I don’t think he’ll offer it to her, even if she truly wanted it.

    Just my 2 cents.

  9. Basically, he’ll say anything, i wonder what his happy clapping liberals have to say now about this and his anti war youth vote. He just threw them under the bus too.

    In his speech Wednesday before the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, Obama sounded a bit like the more hawkish officials in the Bush administration. He said the military option is “on the table” for dealing with Iran’s nuclear program, and in stark contrast to earlier statements, he said he would meet with Iranian leaders “if and only if it can advance the interest of the United States.”

    Obama’s tone was strikingly different from it has been in the past.

  10. Guilty on 17 counts, he’s going away for a very long time unless he rolls over on bambi but i suspect he’ll have a heartattack pretty soon, if you know what i mean.

  11. I actually think the timing of this Rezko verdict is pretty good in light of the fact that Hillary has not conceded. Let’s see how the boys at the anchor desk kick this around for the next few days and that will tell the tale. If some more stuff comes out and Rezko does “roll” this may work to our advantage in great measure!

  12. Admin, it’s either they get a clue now, or they’ll get a clue in NOvember themselves if he’s the nominee.

  13. expect the republicans to make hay of this immediately, the house deal is going to come up straight away, you can bet your ass on it.

  14. moononpluto Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    expect the republicans to make hay of this immediately, the house deal is going to come up straight away, you can bet your ass on it.

    ____
    Yep! I think the timing is GREAT! One day, declaring himself a “winner”, the next day looking like the jackass friend of a felon.

  15. I’m heading home. I will check in on you little sweeties tonight for a bit. 🙂 I’m going to see a whole group of Obamazoids in a few days and I need to gird myself with as much ammo as possible so that I can deal with the attacks. This Rezko verdict is manna from on high! lol Go Hillary!

  16. Well, notice how the DNC is trying to move things quickly? I know they state it is so they can get ready for November, but really how much more ready can you be?

    Obama has been going downhill for the last few months and I think the DNC are afraid he will lose it completely….so they are quickly giving him the nomination and bullying Hillary (as Sugar stated and I agree) into her making a decision quickly for VP.

    That way if anything bad comes out about Obama that could change things drastically for him, well the nomination and VP are set.

    Now if Hillary decides to wait until August and during that time new damaging information comes out about Obama, she is ready to step in and officially win the nomination.

    If you think about it, everything about this process has been hurry, hurry, hurry.

  17. its one thing being friends with someone indicted but when they are convicted it becomes a whole new ballgame, Rezko is going under the bus today guaranteed.

    However expect Republicans to be out front and centre today with new evidence linking Obama with Rezko and his corruption.

    Take that to the bank.

    Could this actually be the bombshell coming today, Republicans with new evidence linking Rezko and Bambi.

  18. Basil,
    “Isn’t it ODD that the Rezko jury couldn’t reach a verdict until the day after DNC crowned Pampers the king?????”

    What a joke. The people pulling the strings (Rove?) must have a good chuckle for themselves as everything’s going according to plan for them.

    After a 15-month campaign and how long did this trial drag on?
    Would like to know if that Starr protege for a judge had anything to do with the verdict being handed down today.

  19. fuck its busy under that bus, is there any room left or is he going to have to stop and scrape of roadkill.

  20. moonpluto:

    nah… every once in a while one pops out the back and just get left by the roadside… all bloodied and disfigured. the bus just keeps on rollin’

  21. I think he’ll either appeal the decision, or try to work out a plea bargain. Let’s hope he does the latter and gives up the goods on waffles.

  22. What’s that thumping sound, I hear in the distance? Ah, the nervous hearts of Obama’s superdelegates…

  23. 1950 I think your right. I would hate to see her get mixed up in all that dirty mess!
    I think she should just wait and take it to the convention or at least wait until a week or two before and see how he is fairing in the polls.
    She will only be 64 in 2012 and she is in excellent health! She did a better job than pampers in hanging in for the whole primary! She was tireless and Pampers was the cry baby!

  24. admin-i worry so about hillary becomming obama’s vp. tm’s site talks about her camp negotiating w/obama to run with him. im sick

  25. Sugar, we’ll probably use (steal) your “NOvember” in future posts. That might become a battle cry: We’ll remember in NO-vember.

    As to Rezko, OkieAtty – Pat Buchanan said a while ago what we said a year ago – once convicted Patrick Fitzgerald will work a deal with Rezko and get him to sing.

  26. Pat Buchanan said a while ago what we said a year ago – once convicted Patrick Fitzgerald will work a deal with Rezko and get him to sing.

    Any guesses as to a time frame for that happening?

  27. Texan4hillary, don’t get sick. We had a Part II to When Will Obama Concede ready to publish when we got a call the Rezko jury was coming in. We published the Rezko article instead. But tomorrow we’ll start to discuss what we can do in Part II of “Concede”.

  28. admin Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
    The New Republic is upset with us again. They don’t understand that Obama concedes before the Democratic convention or Obama will concede in November. The thought is too complex for them. Maybe this Rezko conviction will clue them in.

    And they think, the people on this site are delusional.

  29. Fantastic news about Rezko’s convictions. Barack: friend of terrorists and criminals everywhere.

    Djia – I got your email and will use that addy for you.

    My brother and I cut some discussion videos on the situation last night. The situation, that is, of Hillary throwing a wet blanket on the media’s desire to coronate Bambi last night by not conceding. There are 4 videos, the first two are up and the other 2 are pending. The astroturfers instantly jumped on them and are trying to sabotage the ratings as is their want.

    The videos are on the top of the page at my site if you would like to come check them out:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com

  30. Fox is reporting that Rezko faces the equivalent for a man his age of life in prison. This fate should get him to flip. Rezko did not like being in jail for even a few weeks. The prospect of decades in prison will get him into Judy Miller mode.

    Also, Fitzgerald has enough evidence on Blageovich so Rezko will have to give Fitzgerald someone he does not yet have – B.O.

  31. Well folks, I’m off to take a shower and let the good news sink in.

    I’ll try to check back later. 🙂

  32. It’ll be funny to watch the MSM try and play catch-up and figure out what the hell’s been going on with the Rezko trial… viewers (voters) will be incensed — “why didn’t you tell us about this?” etc

  33. blue dem,
    I’m beginning to suspect Pampers is the secret REPUB nominee, not mcCain.

    I used to think Rove and crew wanted HRC out because they thought it would be easier for McCain to run against Pampers.

    Now I wonder if Pampers wasn’t the default illinois Combine candidate all along after Blagojevich started imploding. (Illinois Combine as in Dem and Repub supported.) 😈

  34. texan4hillary

    Impresses me as much as when my State Senator told me she was endorsing O because of Maria S, Caroline K, and Oprah.

    I thought she was smart until she did that.

  35. Former Clinton Strategist Mark Penn: ‘Fight On!’

    Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:26 PM

    By: Rick Pedraza Article Font Size

    Former Hillary Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn is advising the senator from New York to remain in the Democratic presidential nomination race through the convention just in case another Rev. Jeremiah Wright-type scandal emerges.

    Penn, who reportedly still has former President Bill Clinton’s ear, is pushing for Clinton to fight on to “preserve her options, nothing more or nothing less.”

    Penn says Clinton should suspend her campaign in spite of Sen. Barack Obama having enough delegates to win the nomination, but urges her to keep on regardless of what happens these next few months, according to sources inside the campaign.

    Penn argues that if another scandal is revealed – which both Democrats and Republicans believe may still be in the offing – all those superdelegates pledged to Obama will flock to Clinton before the convention.

    Bill Clinton and daughter Chelsea are said to be in the Penn camp, but that may have changed in recent days. Hillary, however, has kept her own counsel, people close to her say.

    Clinton’s delegate wrangler Harold Ickes, who helped lead Sen. Ted Kennedy’s presidential bid against former President Jimmy Carter at the 1980 convention, is still conflicted, sources say.

    Ickes indicated earlier this week that he would like to reverse the DNC ruling that delivered four Clinton delegates to Obama last Saturday. He is, on the other hand, distinctly aware of the damage a protracted campaign will do to the party.

    A member of congress, who was listening in on a conference call with several dozen pro-Clinton House members yesterday, says Rep Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa., gently prodded Ickes to make a decision on Clinton’s future by the end of the month.

    “We’ve got to do this by the end of this week!” Ickes responded.

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  36. confloyd,

    2012 is too distant in politics. I don’t think i’ll be able to commit to her. It’s 2008 or bust. First of all, we need to defeat bambi at any cost. This guy is dangerous to its core.

  37. Greetings Hill-fans.

    Not sure what to make of the news these days but reading H44 makes me feel sane.

    IDUNN! you’re back!?

  38. get used to it yall. We’re gonna be gettin’ a lot of these airhead type decisions…until he has to change into his orange jumpsuit.

  39. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-verdict-web,0,2256058.story

    Rezko’s guilty verdict on 16 of 24 corruption counts could have broad repercussions for Blagojevich, who made Rezko a central player in his cabinet. It could also prove a political liability for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who once counted Rezko as a friend and fundraiser, as the likely Democratic presidential nominee heads into the general election campaign against Republican John McCain.

  40. I definitely agree with Penn. More importantly, I think President Clinton is even more hawish. If Hillary takes his advice, they should immediately start the groundwork for collecting signatures for an independent run just in case.

    To deal with those thugs, You have to be prepared to use nuclear option, nothing can put those wimpy ‘progressives’ into surrender other than threatening to use nuclear bomb.

  41. Sorry, was on another site trying to figure how many years he was facing. One site said 20 per count. I think that’s high range. They’ll have to wait for the sentencing report.

    I’ve spoken with some folks and they doubt he flips. He know too many dangerous types to flip safely. My guess, he does his time on the hope 👿 commutes his sentence if elected. (NOT.)

    If he were to consider flipping, he’d wait for the sentencing report just in case it says short time. He has two other trials and the gambling thing waiting for him. He’s got no cash and nothing of value left. He is the perfect type to flip. Arrogant, flashy and afraid of the slammer. We saw he was begging to get out after a week. What will he do to avoid 60 yrs? What will he do to avoid those other trials? Maybe even more.

  42. New OBama Campaign Anthem

    “THE BIRDS ARE SINGING FOR ME AND MY GAL (MO) ”

    REZKO will sing to get out of his cage.

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA cult worshipers,YOU got him this far,so live with him and the stuff starting to fly from the fan.You sure are going to see change and hope.Get out your mops and buckets and clean up your mess.

    BY ABM ( One happy old guy because I will get to see Hillary sworn-in )

  43. birdgal

    Let us face it Qualified people select qualifed people. Nonqualified people select nonqualified people. We know where O falls.

    Bush’s downfall was the people around him. Many voted for him, knowing his shortcomings, but thought the staff would make up for it.

    Well we know how well that worked out.

  44. Completely sick listening to her supporters like Cavuto, Rendell and Lanny Davis actually consider this nomination legitimate.

    Hill looked exhausted today too.

    She wants to fight. She knows it’s the right thing to do.

  45. As Sen. Barack Obama ends the primary process and begins his transition from Democratic front-runner to presumptive nominee, a new Gallup poll suggests that his bid to win over the support of his party’s white and Hispanic women voters is far from over.

    Even with her presidential bid all but formally over, Sen. Hillary Clinton edges Obama slightly among female Democratic voters overall, with a four point lead; the New York senator has the support of 49 percent of Democratic women while Obama has support from 45 percent, according to Gallup.

    Although Obama lags Clinton by only four percentage points among female Democrats overall, his problems with white and Hispanic women are much deeper.

    Clinton leads Obama by 20 percent among white, female Democrats: She has the support of 57 percent of white women Democrats, while Obama’s support stands at 37 percent.

    Among Hispanic women who are Democrats, the difference in support is even larger. Sixty-two percent of Hispanic women who are Democratic voters support Clinton, and Obama lags by 30 percentage points, with support from just 32 percent of the demographic.

    Obama’s troubles with working class voters are also a factor in the equation: 62 percent of female non-college-educated white Democrats support Clinton, while 32 percent of the same group supports Obama — but among white, college-educated women Democrats, Clinton and Obama are virtually tied – 48 percent to 47 percent.

    Obama’s problems with seniors also play a role:Among white, female Democrats aged 65 or older, Obama loses out to Clinton by 36 percentage points — 64 percent of that core Clinton constituency support her, while only 28 percent support Obama. Among younger white women voters, that gap narrows considerably. Obama has a 12 percentage-point lead with white, female Democrats aged 18 to 29.

  46. Obama supporter Jimmy Carter says no VP slot for Hillary. Wow, if that’s the way they’re going to play, we’ll see you in Denver…


    elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/carter-obama-clinton-ticket-would-be-the-worst-mistake/

    Jimmy Carter urged Barack Obama not to pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate in an interview with a British publication, saying such a pairing “would be the worst mistake that could be made.”

    The former Democratic president, who announced his support for Obama as the Illinois senator clinched his party’s nomination Tuesday night, told the Guardian’s Weekend magazine that Obama and Clinton together “would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates.”

    In a bluntly worded assessment, Carter defended his stance by citing Clinton’s negative ratings and the many questions and biases Obama faces.

  47. from TM:
    ‘Does anyone think that maybe Rezko will not “sing” so that if Obama gets elected he could pardon his buddy ol’ pal? Maybe that’s too far into the future, but it’s better to have a friend who’s the President than an enemy who is a senator?’

    And for those thinking about resigning from the dem party, here’s a good point:
    (from TM)
    ‘I decided it would hurt the Dems more to see lots of Dems vote for Mccain. IF we switched now, it would just count as Repub or IND voting for him.’

  48. Berkely,

    Said the same exact thing when I saw that.
    Fuck these fucking motherfucking cocksuckers.

    and please pardon my french.

  49. well, every bit of respect left for jimmy that i had i just flushed down the toilet. being an elderstatesmen only works if you have something meaningful to say.

  50. Mollyj, no- he’ll be most likely released on bond pending sentencing. If they think he’s a flight risk, they’ll remand him. Remember- he does have electronic monitoring still.

  51. but jimmy’s strength was never his ability to call democratic politics correctly. I love to see all the losers line up behind obama frankly … it speaks volumes.

  52. Jimmy is a little beyond his years, let’s face it. He has been hinting where he would go for months. It is anticlimatic to say the best.

  53. The former Democratic president, who announced his support for Obama as the Illinois senator clinched his party’s nomination Tuesday night, told the Guardian’s Weekend magazine that Obama and Clinton together “would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates.”

    In a bluntly worded assessment, Carter defended his stance by citing Clinton’s negative ratings and the many questions and biases Obama faces.

    WOW! That’s a ringing endorsement huh? You admit waffles has ‘negative aspects’ and ‘many questions’ regarding him? Amazing.

  54. jimmy carter is a complete loser. I feel sorry for that flailing old man. He has ZERO strength, and has garnered denigration from both sides.

    Nobody except Iranian, North Korean, Hamas leaders take his cue.

    He’ll soon follow Kennedy’ & Byrd’ footstep to meet the almighty.

  55. Well I just have to add this. The old white hair guys (one dyed of course) endorsing O, just reminds me of the old men with the young women. Somehow they are trying to capture the verility of their youth and cannot quite get there.

    What you find with those young chicks is they blow you off later, and leave with your money.

  56. waffles is having Jimmy Carter come out and say this so it helps to take some of the pressure off him. What a piss-ant he is. Can’t even make his own decisions.

  57. What you find with those young chicks is they blow you off later, and leave with your money.

    Sounds like you are you speaking from experience? Just kidding 🙂

  58. ‘I decided it would hurt the Dems more to see lots of Dems vote for Mccain. IF we switched now, it would just count as Repub or IND voting for him.’

    OTOH, the registration form does include info regarding the party you were previously registered with…if the Dems get enough of these re-registrations, they will see that the party is bleeding votes. I have filled mine out…will think this over before submitting.

    A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the White House…he’s going to be Gary Hart, ,Jr. of the Democratic Party.

  59. http://www.taylormarsh.com/

    make sure you look at the latest blog entry (thread) it is pretty sickening. I refuse to donate money to the DNC or to Obama as they are being known as the party who robbed us from reality and the truth and a fair process in all.

  60. Well, it’s now a fact that Obama lives in a house purchased in a sweetheart deal with a convicted felon. Very presidential, eh?

  61. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=6185320#

    Guilty on 16 counts of corruption, political fundraiser Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko has surrendered to authorities.

    Rezko, who is scheduled for sentencing in September, surprised even his attorney by opting to begin serving his time immediately.

    “I didn’t choose that. Mr. Rezko chose if he was convicted to immediately start serving,” said Joe Duffy, Rezko Defense Attorney. “That was just the desire he expressed to us, and it was his decision.”

    Rezko was found guilty on 16 counts of corruption charges related to a kickback scheme for companies that do business with the state.

    “This is a pretty significant victory for the prosecution. Tony Rezko has been convicted on 16 counts of mail fraud and wire fraud. It was described by the U.S. Attorney as a play on steroids,” said Jay Stewart, Better Government Association.

    “We are obviously disappointed in the jury’s verdict today. We strongly believe in Mr. Rezko’s innocence, as does he. It is our intention to pursue certain post trial matters,” said Joe Duffy, Rezko Defense Attorney

    The jurors– 10 women and 2 men– reached a verdict after 13 days of deliberations. A judge read it at 3:45 p.m. in federal court on Wednesday, June 04, 2008.

    Rezko, 52, pleaded not guilty to taking bribes from companies wanting state contracts. The jury’s mixed verdict acquitted him on some of the most serious charges, including attempted extortion.

    Rezko was found guilty on 16 of 24 counts.

    Breakdown of Counts

    Guilty on 6 of 6 counts wire fraud
    Guilty on 6 of 9 counts mail/wire fraud
    Not Guilty on 1 count attempted extortion
    Guilty on 2 of 6 counts corrupt solicitation
    Guilty on 2 counts money laundering

  62. Exit question: Bye bye, Blagojevich? While you mull that, here’s how America’s go-to newsman, currently residing in the tank marked with the magical “O” logo on the side, is prioritizing the news. Maybe I spoke too soon about the Age of Aquarius. Don’t let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment.

    AP did a great job in highlighting this. Rezko got 16 convictions out of 24 counts in the indictment, including conspiracy to extort, two counts of aiding and abetting bribery, two separate counts of money laundering, and multiple counts of wire and mail fraud. Put those all together, and it spells a lot of prison time for Rezko.
    The Rezko conviction itself provides an indirect shot at Barack Obama for the moment, showing the kind of people with whom he associated while a Chicago politician. Over the last three months, we have seen Obama’s associates such Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger “damn America”, while his relationship with unrepentant domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn — both of whom still talk about “overthrowing capitalism” — shows Obama to be mighty comfortable around radical anti-American sentiment. Now we can add a convicted crook to that circle of associates, especially since Rezko raised over a quarter-million dollars for Obama during the same period in which he committed the crime and corruption for which he was convicted today.
    That could change between now and Rezko’s sentencing. Rezko’s defense chose not to call any witnesses, arguing that the prosecution hadn’t proved the case. The wire and mail fraud counts can bring 5 years each alone, and it’s probable that Rezko will get a sentence that will keep him in prison for life. If Rezko wants to avoid dying in prison, he’ll start cutting deals. The primary target for those kinds of deals would be Governor Rod Blagojevich, who got tied to a specific bribe during the trial. If Rezko knows where bodies are buried with Obama, this ceases to be an indirect problem and starts being a potential political catastrophe.
    So far, Obama has been lucky in regards to Rezko. The conviction changes that considerably

  63. admin, thats significant that he chose to go to jail immediately, they only ever do that if they fear they will be targeted to be killed or if they are about to turn state’s evidence.

    Rezko is now in effect protective custody.

  64. First we find out that his political career has been bankrolled by an indicted (now convicted) political fixer….

    Thenwe find out that he gets his “street cred” in his chosen neighborhood from a radical Anti-American racist….

    Then we find out that he launches his career at the home of an unrepentant domestic terrorist, thereby grabbing the white guilt vote…..

    Then we NOMINATE HIM FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES over an experienced, vetted patriot as HRC.

    Only the dems 🙁

    Geesh….we deserve to lose.

  65. Dont shoot the messenger;

    ABC’s Headline is “Clinton to concede Friday.”

    Clinton Says Goodbye to Campaign Staff
    Many Clinton Campaign Staffers Are Told Their Last Day Is Friday
    By KATE SNOW, ELOISE HARPER, SUNLEN MILLER and JENNIFER PARKER

    June 4, 2008 —

    One day after Sen. Hillary Clinton lost her fight to be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, she made an emotional visit to her staff at her campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va.  just after most of them had been told they would no longer have to report to work after Friday.

    However Clinton has not told her staff if and when she will officially concede the race to Sen. Barack Obama.

    “She is listening. Nothing set,” a senior Clinton adviser told ABC News’ Kate Snow.

    The Clinton adviser said the candidate spoke to staff and with her core team, and then talked to groups of superdelegates.

    A campaign staff member who was in the room said Clinton invited all of her campaign staff to come to her Washington, D.C., home on Friday.

    Before Clinton arrived, the staff was told that they would be paid through June 15th.

    But the bulk of the people working for her campaign were told their last day of work would be Friday. Another source who was not in the room but heard about the visit said junior staffers were emotional and some were crying.

    As Clinton left her headquarters, she waved to cameras outside.

    Clinton Refuses to Concede Race

    Despite the settled delegate math  Obama needed 2,118 delegates to win and has 2,166 to Clinton’s 1919, according to ABC News’ delegate scorecard,  Clinton has said she will take a few days to think about her next move.

    But some of her most loyal backers have begun to publicly urge her to exit the race and unify the Democratic Party behind Obama.

    “Unless she has some good reasons  which I can’t think of  I really think we ought to get on with endorsements [of Obama] and dealing with what we have to deal with & so we can move forward,” New York Congressman Charlie Rangel told ABC News’ Kate Snow.

    Obama-Clinton Joint Ticket Talk Swirls

    Meanwhile Obama swung into general election mode Wednesday, announcing that he had tapped three people, including President John F. Kennedy’s daughter, Caroline Kennedy, to lead his search for a vice-presidential nominee.

    Speculation swirled in Washington about whether Obama would ask Clinton to join his ticket. Clinton had signaled Tuesday that she was “open” to being Obama’s running-mate if he asked.

    However, Rangel said he’s not sure the vice presidency is what Clinton is after.

    “The fact that she said that she would be willing to serve as vice president doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s seeking the vice president’s job,” Rangel said.

    Rivals Have ‘Chance Encounter’

    Clinton and Obama bumped into each other Wednesday morning after they each delivered speeches at the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington, D.C.

    Obama campaign spokesperson Linda Douglass characterized it as a “brief encounter in the hallway” and a “chance encounter,” but said she didn’t know if they spoke.

    There was no public pressure from Obama’s campaign on Clinton to formally exit the race. “She has a right to proceed from here as she chooses,” Douglass said.

    Eager for the party to unify behind Obama, Democratic leaders released a joint statement Wednesday morning urging all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to announce their decisions by Friday.

    “Democrats must now turn our full attention to the general election,” reads the letter, signed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Governors Association Chairman Joe Manchin and DNC Chairman Howard Dean.

    Obama Praises Clinton

    Speaking Wednesday to the pro-Israel lobby group, Obama praised the former first lady and thanked his supporters.

    “We had an eventful night last night, and my staff and I may be still a little bleary eyed but we have a number of supporters in this room and we are very grateful for them,” Obama told a crowd of 7,000 people gathered at the AIPAC conference.

    Of Clinton he said, “She has made history alongside of me over the last 16 months.”

    In a sign Clinton may be coming to terms with Obama’s win, Clinton praised him to the Jewish crowd.

    “It has been an honor to contest these primaries with him. It is an honor to call him my friend. And let me be very clear: I know that Senator Obama will be a good friend to Israel,” she said.

    “And let me underscore that I believe we need a Democratic president in the White House,” Clinton said.

    McCain Challenges Obama to Debate

    Not waiting for any dust to settle on Obama’s Democratic nomination victory, presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain Wednesday challenged Obama to a series of debates.

    Speaking at a town hall meeting in Baton Rogue, La., McCain said he sent Obama a letter proposing a series of debates  10 in all, once a week starting as soon as June 12. That number of debates is two or three times more than general election candidates have held in recent years.

    “I don’t think we need any big media-run production, no process question from reporters, no spin rooms,” McCain said. “Just two Americans running for office in the greatest nation on earth, responding to the questions of the people whose trust we must earn.”

    The Obama campaign said the idea of joint town hall meetings instead of traditional debates is “appealing” but deferred on making a firm commitment.

    “We would recommend a format that is less structured and lengthier than the McCain campaign suggests, one that more closely resembles the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas,” read a statement from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

    “But, having just secured our party’s nomination, this is one of the many items we will be addressing in the coming days and look forward to discussing it with the McCain campaign.”

    Obama Woos Jewish Lobby

    Obama Wednesday said he needed to correct some “willful mischaracterizations” that McCain made about his positions in his own speech at the the AIPAC conference earlier in the week.

    McCain has regularly blasted Obama over his response at a CNN/YouTube Democratic presidential debate last summer that he would be willing as president to meet with leaders of rogue nations including Iran “without precondition.”

    “Contrary to the claims of some, I have no interest in sitting down with our adversaries just for the sake of talking,” Obama said at the AIPAC conference.

    “But as president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leader at a time and place of my choosing  if, and only if, it can advance the interests of the United States,” he said, noting there would first have to be “careful preparation” to “open up lines of communication, build an agenda, coordinate closely with our allies, and evaluate the potential for progress.”

    In an effort to assure the Jewish crowd, Obama declared an “unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security.”

    “Let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel,” he said.

    Citing e-mails that have been circulating throughout some American Jewish communities erroneously saying that he is a Muslim, or unfriendly to Israel, Obama attempted to correct the record.

    “They’re filled with tall tales and dire warnings about a certain candidate for president. And all I want to say is  let me know if you see this guy named Barack Obama, because he sounds pretty frightening,” Obama joked. “But if anyone has been confused by these e-mails, I want you to know that today I’ll be speaking from my heart, and as a true friend of Israel.”

  66. How do they run that headline when their own story says,
    “However Clinton has not told her staff if and when she will officially concede the race to Sen. Barack Obama.
    “She is listening. Nothing set,” a senior Clinton adviser told ABC News’ Kate Snow.”

    WTF?! More mixed signals or more media manipulation?

  67. I think, Caroline Kennedy, is a definite ploy to woo the women voters. Probably, Uncle Teddy’s suggestion.

  68. OMG was anyone just watching fox news just now???

    I walked into the room and heard the tail end of them talking about “dead voters” about how as long as they (dead people)
    remained registered to vote , it left room for fraud!!!!

    OMFG!!!!!

  69. birdgal,

    it has the fingerprints of walking corpse Kennedy, that’s for sure. These ‘progressive’ male wimps make me sick to my stomach. They are using affirmative action to choose a random token female V.P. to try to woo back Hillary’s women voters. They frankly can’t stand strong women who are stronger, smarter, tougher than them.

    To choose a token female V.P. is truly an insult to the historical nature of Hillary’s candidacy. She is running on her strength. She is not running as an affirmative action candidate.

    Thanks God, the walking corpse, woman killer Kennedy will soon listen to the final verdict from all mighty. Hell or Heaven ? Who knows.

  70. Kostner: It is insulting, to think that women were voting for Hillary, solely because she was a woman. They were voting for her, because of her positive leadership qualities, intelligence, and who she is. Another woman, will not suffice.

  71. OMG, I must belong to the stupidist party in the world.

    They are not backing someone that can right now already beat the competion. They are backing someone that ties the competion, and has a lot of baggage they already have videos on. Never mind what can come out in two months or the October Surprise.

    Yes, they don’t understand how they have offended women, and they want her to wind the election for him.

  72. birdgal,

    i agree. I think this will backfire tremedously on Hillary’s older female backers. Most of them have experienced a lot, believe me, they are stubborn and will not vote for waffle after establishing a negative opinion of waffle. Here’s why the stupid ‘progressive’ wimpy boys in the party don’t understand, I copied some comments from MK forum:

    “I will say now without equivocation that I cannot and will not cast my vote for Barak Obama even if Hillary is on the ballot as VP. I voted for Nixon twice on the issues and have no regret for having done so. Of course had RFK not been assassinated and been the Democratic candidate, I would have voted for him. (People think the greater loss was JFK but I still strongly contend that the greatest loss to this country and its people was Robert Kennedy.) ”

    This is exactly why Nixon beat McGovern by a landslide margin even he’s hardly likeable. The silent majority of the democratic party, the working class, hispanics, women gave McGovern a boot in the end.

    Bambi won’t lose in a landslide thanks to George W. Bush’s disastrous reign, but McCain will beat him if ‘progressive’ wimpy boys continue to give this egomaniac bad advice and continue to prop up his egos by ignoring core constituency.

  73. kostner,

    What is it with you and these Kennedy remarks I kep seeing?

    Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

  74. admin Says:
    June 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=6185320#

    Rezko, who is scheduled for sentencing in September, surprised even his attorney by opting to begin serving his time immediately.

    *******************************************

    smart man !! he knows that no one will take a chance on him not to sing on them they would most definitely take him out ASAP
    by serving immediately he has FREE armed protection

  75. birdgal,

    I’m a figure skating fan as well! I’m not much into MK though! I found their little political forum of MK fans, so I go there occasionally to get a sense of what’s happening in a non-political universe!

    Who’s your current favorite ?
    Caroline Zhang! Mao Asada! LOL.

  76. Isn’t it amazing that the DNC credited Waffles with 59 +4 delegates from the Michigan primary where he voluntarily removed his name from the ballot as a strategy and in which no one voted for him and all the media include that number in their delegate count and yet the same media refuses to recognize Michigan’s popular vote?

    Don’t worry. I know the answer. 👿

    And isn’t even more astonishing that GWB took us to war under false pretenses, Waffles has been associated and involved with known terrorists and criminals for 20 years, and yet poor BC, the best president this country had seen in decades, got IMPEACHED over a tawdry scandal.

    And now we have Waters, Rengel, Patterson, Clyburn, the demented DNC denizens telling us Waffles needs us to rally around him now.

    Meanwhile I hear daily reports of increased REVERSE racism against whiteys. A kid goes to school and is accused of being a racist. A woman goes to a bar for a couple of drinks and is wearing her HRC buttons and is accused of racism. Another woman drives through a mixed neighborhood and the HRC 08 bumper sticker elicits cries of racist pig.

    All I can say is I’m glad as he!! I got out of the urban school system and multi-ethnic NJ town I lived in the past 14 years and escaped to the Catskills.

    tale of it

  77. basil9: That’s the thing that probably sticks in my craw the most about this whole process. The DNC basically FABRICATED the Michigan election. To me it seems completely unconstitutional, never mind the DNC ‘rules’.

    I personally would like to see Hillary fight that decision.

  78. Maybe this is up thread..just got home and turned on TV. CNN is saying that ABC along with Candy Crowley, GLoria Borger, etc. are saying that Hillary is dropping out this weekend??????????

    I hope not!!!!!

  79. Levon,

    It’s futile to fight the party machine. Most of her backers will abandon her in the next few days. Politicians are spineless animals, all they care is their career & job. That’s why I don’t like Clinton’s mode of half-concession, half-fighting. She has to make a hard decision, but does she want to do. If she wants to fight, bingo, she has to be prepared to be abandoned by all those politician ‘friends’. Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up. That’s why there is an nuclear option in my opinion, to run as an INDY. If she even threatens to do so, all those politicians will start to sing her praise since the only lauguage they understand is the power of being humiliated in Nov.

  80. OH! Caroline Kennedy is one of the ones vetting BO’s VP?????

    Guess she’ll have to check in with her kiddies to find out who they want.

  81. bob johnson: “she(HRC) will “ENTERTAIN” the idea of being VP IF SHE IS ASKED”

    that doesn’t say to me that she WANTS to be VP at all…… sounds like something else

  82. Don’t believe it, Southern Born — CNN has been trying to write Hillary’s obituary since Iowa 😉

  83. Per freeper, this is a scary but realistic roster of Bambi’s cabinet considering his history in that Chicago Madrass.

    With Barack Obama claiming the democratic nomination, I decided to ponder just what might be a possible group of Cabinet members should he win the Presidency. Here are a few names that came across as possibilities:

    Janet Napolitano (Gay Gov’r of AZ) – Vice President Al Sharpton (the ‘good’ Rev) – Secretary of State Charlie Rangel (Rep from NY) – Attorney General Donna Brazile (Gore’s former asst) – Press Secretary Kweisi Mfume – Dept Homeland Security Louis Farrakhan – Secretary of Defense Snoop Dog – Dept of Public Affairs Ice Cube – State Dept Director Oprah Winfrey – Secretary of Education

  84. southern born

    yes cnn is reporting that but they said something key in all that

    “they don’t know for sure, they have no confirmation from hillary only “INUENDO”S”

  85. Levon,

    Subtract 59 +4 (63) votes from Waffles, switch the total number of delegates from half to full, giving HRC 126 delegates, give Florida full delegates, equalize the lop-sided caca system whereby urban voters got more delegates per voter than their rural counterparts and it’s clear HRC creamed him and he wouldn’t have reached the 2118-soon-to-be-2246 (or whatever that number is) threshhold.

    Add to that the suspiciously timed Rezko verdict, the disappearance of Wright, the strange emergence of Phegmler, and the rumored but still unaired Whitey video . . . 😈

  86. kostner, I agree with you. Hillary either play hardball that is to run as INDP or concede to BHO.

  87. Kostner,

    ‘Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up. That’s why there is an nuclear option in my opinion, to run as an INDY.’

    I agree. Nothing good can come of her continued association with the Dems. NOTHING!

    The time for cliff-jumping has arrived.

  88. I hope she suspends her campaign and does not concede. There is so much more stuff that will drop on him. I hope to God she doesn’t go on the ticket with that prick.

    The only good thing that would come out of her being on the ticket is that if they win it together .. the Clintons are still a big power base in the party. As it stands now, the DNC want them gone and perhaps vp right now would be there “finger in the eye” moment.

    If she goes route of vp .. it’s for a good reason and I’ll support her .. all the while hoping that when the big shoes drop he’ll have to resign the nom and she would take over.

    I still think she will be president.

  89. Good grief, as Bart would say, people are having COWS all over the place, because Hillary hasn’t conceded yet.

  90. NewMexicoFan:

    kostner post this a few posts ago in the story here titled ‘A Kidney, A Stolen Election, and Puerto Rico’

    This is getting juicy. Per townhall (can’t put out link), GOP senator Arlen Spencer is seriously considering calling hearings on MI/FL democratic primary situations!! In other word, Republicans are going to defend voting rights on behalf of democratic primary voters ! Shame on DNC…

    I haven’t heard of any other potential challenges to the delegate allocation since then.

  91. debbie, It is on the abc website.

    ABC News has learned Sen. Hillary Clinton had a conference call today wtih Members of Congress and superdelegates in which there were discussions about her plans for getting out of the race, according to two Democratic sources.

    All indications are Clinton will get out of the race by Friday.

    Despite the settled delegate math — Sen. Barack Obama needed 2,118 delegates to win and has 2,166 to Clinton’s 1919, according to ABC News’ delegate scorecard, — Clinton had said she will take a few days to think about her next move.

    But some of her most loyal backers have begun to publicly urge her to exit the race and unify the Democratic Party behind Obama.

    “Unless she has some good reasons — which I can’t think of — I really think we ought to get on with endorsements [of Obama] and dealing with what we have to deal with … so we can move forward,” New York Congressman Charlie Rangel told ABC News’ Kate Snow.

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4996520&page=1

  92. Sorry just read up thread. Well the primary campaign is over and really she only needs immediate staff and advisors at this point.
    I really hopes she gets some much need rest after all this..I know i do!!!

  93. Kostner,

    And don’t forget jeremiah Wright, WH chaplain,
    Doug Wilder; Chief of Security
    Deval Patrick: Chairman of the ethics committee
    Roland Martin: Communications/propaganda minister
    50 cents: Music and Arts Attache

    Let’s add to the list! :mrgreen:

  94. I really want Hillary to continue but I am afreaid that she may alienate African-American voters. Trust me, I had no idea how racially polarized this race has become. African-Americans actually think that Hillary is not only trying to sabatoge Barack Obama’s campaign but TRYING TO KILL HIM. They don’t think she should be V.P. because they feel that she may try to kill him. It’s just ridiculous!! I just choose not to think on such racially polarized terms and I won’t argue with them because it’s not worth it. They can go around thinking totally clueless, while I laugh at their stupidity. I think Hillary should return to the Senate and use her power and worth ethic as always and run for Senate Majority Leader. No V.P. NOT EVER! I don’t think she should campaign for Barack Obama, just do her thing in the U.S. Senate and watch his campaign go into flames and reject any notion of being V.P. Maybe BO will be lucky enough to pick John Edwards as his running-mate. That would most definitely put the coffin in his campaign. Obama won’t win; 100% sure of that.

  95. suspending is good!! NO VP NO CONCESSION!!!

    obama F’s up a doozy drops on him and she’s the nominee! 😀

  96. Kostner,
    “If she wants to fight, bingo, she has to be prepared to be abandoned by all those politician ‘friends’. Basically, she should not count on any party guy to back her up.”

    That’s exactly what I thought. I don’t think anyone is going to give her the time of day if she only ‘suspends’ either. Tough.

    She should do what’s right.

  97. Clintondem;
    2166 – Michigan’s 59 +4 (63) = 2103.
    I give you the Illegitimate Affirmative Action Nominee. 😈
    But the ROOOLZ is the ROOOOLZ according to Cruella. That is, afterall, what her mama taught her.
    And of course the rOOLZ according to Cruella change according to how her candidate is faring.
    Hey! Didn’t she drop out of the party, yet? The SD’s are deciding the election! i emailed her that question the other day and got a single word response from her. NOPE!

    2118

  98. The next 5 months will continue to be the big media lurvefest of Waffles though. Now they will set their sites on John MCcain. I know that I will work hard to keep PrickWaffles out of the WH. He is dangerous. Just today he is flipflopping again but the media won’t even start to discuss it I bet.

    What you wanna bet that Caroline Kennedy appoints herself VP. Sick.

  99. Didn’t John Edwards suspend his campaign? Or, did he end it?

    Dot 48 says:

    What you wanna bet that Caroline Kennedy appoints herself VP. Sick.

    That would be sick.

  100. meiyingsu,

    fox news said that Hillary is going to suspend her campaign not drop out.

    I hope.

    I wish it were a more reliable network.

  101. Suspending the campaign would be smart, because it frees her up to continue to do high-profile appearances, and gets the MSM out of her hair with all their harping on her every breath.

    It’d basically be her way of saying, all right Obama, here’s your shot: if you can win this thing, God bless you and the country will be better off; if you can’t, well, don’t say I didn’t told you so, and I’ll run again in 2012. And if you want me as VP, I will help you. And if McCain continues to lead in the polls and you slip further, and the party superdelegates want to switch starting quarterbacks, then I’m ready to go.

  102. kostner:

    I agree with you that fighting the party is mostly futile. However, I don’t think she should run as an independent.

    I said basically the same thing last night, but I’ll repeat it here. I think Hillary has 2 plans: Plan 1a, which is to somehow win the nomination for 2008; and Plan 1b, which is to cripple waffles even further for the November election, thus giving her a good shot at 2012. She has to be careful how she treads, but if waffles loses in November, I think Hillary is good to go for 2012.

    Plan 1a could be accomplished if she suspends her campaign and waffles looks like toast in November, due to something big coming out against waffles, which knowing his past is not out of the question.

    Plan 1b can be accomplished by not tarnishing her standing in the Democratic? party, but at the same time undermining his campaign. I think a strong push for VP, which she knows will be rejected by waffles, helps in this regard. Remember, she’s saying all the right things now regarding waffles. She’ll need his voters in 2012 to win.

    Look, Hillary’s a pragmatist. I think she’s more than willing to wait 4 years to be president. If waffles loses this year, 2012 is Hillary’s nomination to lose. She’d have overwhelming support from the democratic party voters (including AA’s I believe) and the party could not stand in her way. waffles certainly would not be in the picture.

  103. VP gossip from WaPo:

    —-
    ‘Dream Ticket’ Group Looks to Fund Ads

    VoteBoth, a group founded by two former aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton, is ramping up its fundraising efforts with the expectation of sponsoring television ads in key swing states urging presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to pick Clinton as his running-mate.

    “We have heard from many Democrats that they want Clinton on the ticket with Obama, and we’re grateful that they are supporting VoteBoth.com,” said Adam Parkhomenko, one of the founders of the group. “We are going to continue to push the idea and keep the conversation going.”

    The group has been actively meeting with fundraisers over the last weeks and days as it seeks to draft a plan that would fund commercials in states like Michigan and Ohio among others.

    Among the financial bigwigs on board with the effort are Iowa lawyer Jerry Crawford and New York investment banker Hassan Nemazee. Allida Black, the editor of former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt’s papers at George Washington University and a regular Democratic giver, is also helping the group collect cash.

    Another participant is Philadelphia lawyer Mark Aronchick. “I am a deep believer that we need to bring the yin and the yang of our party together,” he told The Fix today.

    Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic reported last night on his blog that Parkhomenko had spoken with Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams in the aftermath of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on May 6. In that conversation, according to Ambinder, Williams expressed her personal support for the idea and encouraged Parkhomenko and co-founder Sam Arora to continue pushing the idea.

    The effort would seem to face two major hurdles:

    The first is that, to date, the only donors who have agreed to help raise money to fund ads pushing an Obama-Clinton ticket are those friendly to Clinton. In order for the effort to truly take off, the group needs to find a handful of Obama donors who believe putting Clinton on the ticket is such a good idea that they are willing join the cause.

    Still, there appears to be very little interest in the Obama world to take part in such an effort. “It’s as asinine as having a bunch of donors threatening [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi,” said one Obama major donor granted anonymity to speak candidly. “I don’t think anyone who has any political savvy who is connected with Senator Clinton would think this is a good idea.”

    The second hurdle is that VoteBoth is NOT a 527 committee. According to Parkhomenko, the group can only accept $5,000 from any individual contributor — meaning that the involvement of extremely wealthy people does not ensure the financial success of the effort.

    It’s possible, of course, that many of Clinton’s donors — large and small — can be galvanized to give to this group in large enough numbers that it can fund a meaningful ad buy in key swing states.

    UPDATE, 4:00 p.m. ET: Attorney Mark Aronchick said he spent time with Clinton last night in New York City and insisted to her that the party would only be “complete” if she was the vice presidential pick. “You each represent half of what we are,” Aronchick said he told Clinton.

    Aronhick acknowledged that Clinton largely keeps “close counsel” and she did not let on her interest (or lack thereof) in the job. “If it’s the right partnership, I think she would do it,” Aronchick said.

    If the two did wind up on a ticket together, Aronchick predicted a massive landslide in the fall. “I don’t know what state McCain wins,” he said.

  104. Suspending her campaign is fine by me. As people here pointed out, Edwards and Romney did that as well.

    Here’s the latest:

    news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080604/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_abc_dc

  105. basil9:

    I like your delegate math!! That’s exactly what I was thinking, and I think that’s exactly what Hillary was hoping to get. Unfortunately there were too many DNC members on that committee that apparently had no compunctions about gerrymandering an election.

  106. Berkely Vox: ‘Dream Ticket’ Group Looks to Fund Ads

    This is great news as far as I’m concerned. If these ads see the light of day in swing states, it will further alienate Clinton supporters when waffles DOES NOT select Hillary to run as his VP.

    I see they are not wasting any time trying to get this idea out there hard.

  107. I’m going to be following this ‘Dream Ticket Ad’ group closely. Looks like I’ll be donating to both them and McCain for the next five months.

  108. The DNC want Hillary to concede so they can stab her in the back again and don’t have to worry about it hurting Obama. They need her to UNIT the party.

    The problem is that the party is split and one of their most loyal core group was kicked to the curb to crown Obama. Why? Because the Male dominated Dems Leaders figure since they threw us a bone in WEAK ASS Nancy Pelosi they can now piss all over women rights since they figure Women will stay put in the democratic party because of Roe vs Wade.

    That was their 2nd mistake…Roe vs Wade does not define Women Rights…the big picture is equal rights and equal opportunities for all. It was not the Republicans that went of a campaign to demean, dismiss and degrade Sen. Hillary Clinton with Blatant Sexist Tactics but the Democrats including Barack Hussein Obama.

    It’s Hillary or McCain for 08 and I hear that McCain has got a lot of Hillary Supporters offers to Help him beat Obama in the G.E.

    I just LOVE how the Democrats shoot themselve in the foot time and time again.

  109. It’s going to be 2008 or nothing for Hillary. Democratic party is insanely stupid. I doubt Clinton can have a head-start going into 2012 even if Obama loses.

    There will be another ‘fresh face’, a new ‘Obama’ that can appeal to MSM. Since MSM is simply part of the corrupt Pelosi wing, they will have the megaphone to prop up another Obama loser. I frankly believe the democratic party deserves lose, and there is a reason, they are simply stupid.

    I don’t believe I’ll be waiting for Clinton’s turn in 2012 either. If she has no future in the party, why the hell make peace with the party? If she really wants to make history, just tear apart the party and form a new one, that will make certain the defeat of the democratic party in Nov, and she will master enormous power over which side the new party wants to side with in congress/senate.

  110. I friggin don’t understand the Voteboth fundraising…who gets the $?

    I wish Hill would just suspend her campaign, take a break and then come back and keep herself in the media, somehow. The only coverage she is getting now is atrocious and I don’t like the tone that some of her supporters are trying to beg for her a job .. fuck the vp, she is better than that shite.

  111. UNIT = UNITE

    Obama is NOT going to give the VP to Clinton…that B.S. talking. The ONLY way to BEAT Obama is to vote for Hillary Or McCain and since the DNC picked they President Obama…then the only choice is McCain.

    I trust McCain, unfortunately I DON’T TRUST MY OWN PARTY LEADERSHIP…no HONOR or CHARACTER or VALUES!!!!

  112. kostner, if GOP swipe the white house, the house, and the senate. The pelosi wing will be destroy.

  113. kostner:

    I disagree. Hillary can have a future in this party is she plays the game right. Remember, this is hard-core politics. Not a weekly poker tournament with some friends. Sure, there will always be another contender. But this year was the perfect storm I believe. As long as Hillary keeps her core supporters from this year, and adds a reasonable amount of support from AA’s, she’s as close to a lock as is possible in politics for 2012.

    I don’t believe I’ll be waiting for Clinton’s turn in 2012 either.

    So your loyalty to Hillary has an expiration date? I don’t mean to chide you, but I just am wondering what your thought process is here. Are you saying that you want her to tear down the Democratic? party, and in doing so, her own career? What if she wants to keep her career?

  114. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    birdgal,

    what’s your current favorite figure skater??

    Kwan was my favorite, followed by Irina, and Sasha. Other favorites: Kristi, Boitano, Browning, Kulik

    To be quite honest, Kimmie has grown on me. I also, like Nagasu, Mao, Kostner, and some other ones, whose names are escaping me. I like Johnny and Stephane.

  115. I have enjoy Bob Beckel on FNC looking like he is going to explod. He better watch out all that pent up anger is not good for you….he still has from August to the G.E. to get angry again and again.

  116. meiyingsu,

    it’s not going to happen thanks to George W. Bush’s disastrous reign. Obama is basically George W. Bush III.

    Most likely the current party will sweep the house, the senate based on all indication this cycle. If Obama squeezes out another win, this will only strengthen the hands of the pelosi wing. That’s exactly why it’s so important to beat waffle at any cost. The only sure way to beat him is to put Hillary’s name on swing states’ ballots.

  117. kostner:

    I see your reasoning now. If you believe waffles has a good chance at winning, then I agree I would prefer to see Hillary tear him a new one by running as an independent in 2008. If she wants to go out that way, I’ll definitely support her.

  118. birdgal,

    do you post on MK forum?

    I like Caroline Zhang! Mao as well, not much a fan of kostner. She got a big gift at world championships. can you visit http://www.fsuniverse.net political forum? It’s been restricted there…

  119. Levon,

    Make no mistake, waffle has a better than even chance of winning in Nov since GOP is really in dumps. This is exactly why the current 2-party system is really dangerous.

    In 2000, the far right wing candidate George W. Bush basically squeezed out a win as boring and stupid American voters were heavily influenced by MSM to seek some unchartered ‘change’, ‘unity’ having gone through the most prosperous time in American history. When presented with a moderate but ‘boring’ Al Gore and a right wing radical George W., W squeezed out a narrow win.

    Now after a disastrous 8 year of going through far right candidate’s George W. Bush’s agenda, those same stupid but angry American voters are ready to dump everything for the same of around round of ‘change’ and ‘unity’. The only difference is that they were presented with a far left radical and a moderate GOP whose party is enomoursly unpopular. Make no mistake, waffle can squeeze out a win. The only sure thing to defeat him is to put Hillary’s name on the ballot.

  120. Okay, does anyone else think that Dick Morris would better serve our country and all news and media outlets by keeping his mouth busy with that toe thing rather than being a pundit?

  121. tried to post earlier, but got hung up. question is, if HRC suspends her run, will she still be able to compete in denver?

    ps – welcome back “secret”, “idunn” and my all-time favorite mouth…”okieatty”

  122. hi guys.. I’m new here.. I used to blog at taylor’s//but I think she has given up on hillary.. quick question.. is this a strictly pro-hillary site?? no trolls?

  123. alcina Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
    tried to post earlier, but got hung up. question is, if HRC suspends her run, will she still be able to compete in denver?
    ———————————————–
    True to form big media fucks it up. ABC says she will “concede” on Friday, whereas NYT says she will “suspend”.

    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that if she suspends she keeps her delegates but if she concedes she loses them. The big issue is the pledged delegates who are frozen I assume.

  124. just went over to the John McCain blog, the exodus of clinton supporters to there is unbelievable.

  125. levon,

    The committee was the SAME committee that stripped Florida of delegates in a meeting taped by c-span (which i saw a couple of months ago.) It was clear even then (August 25, 2007) that the decks were stacked against HRC by the way the members almost gloatingly punished Florida. Cruella had the finla say and she did a 10 minute rant about how the ROOOLZ is the ROOOOLZ and everyone gotta follow the ROOOOLLLZZZ! The Florida fiasco was a deliberate set-up (IMHO) as was the primary/caca calendar, the designation of SC, Nev, iowa and NH as the first 4 states, the NON-punishment of other states that changed their dates and the in-the-tank BM coverage.
    TTTT, by the way DNC threw HRC under the bus Saturday and the smug jowly faces of pumkinhead, tingle-thighs and Dobermann, I have begun to suspect they have been in on the plan as well. What I mean is, WHY has the BM counted HRC out from the beginning? Is it because they had the inside info that the election was riggged and the outcome already written?

    Anyway, I want to go back to the original point but now I can’t see what I wrote above! 👿

  126. kostner:

    Regarding waffles electability I hope you are wrong, and I’m sure you are too 🙂 I think he’s got at best even odds at this point. Who knows what the next 5 months will bring, but if I were a betting man, I’d think the odds of damaging things coming out about waffles are much greater than they would be for McCain.

    The Republicans have made an art out of destroying elitist liberals in the general election, and waffles is about as elitist as they come.

  127. from foxnews.com

    “Democratic sources also have said Clinton will suspend her campaign rather than close it down entirely. By suspending her campaign, Clinton would retain nominal control of her delegates and could continue to raise money to pay off campaign debts. She also would allow late-primary states to finish up the process of electing pro-Clinton delegates to the August convention.

    When asked about being Obama’s running mate, Clinton said she “was not campaigning for the position but will do whatever she is asked to do to help the party win in November,” according to a senior Democratic source. “

  128. PM: I apologize for my comment last night. I did not notice your reaction until a few minutes ago.

  129. please vote
    mccaindemocratics.blogspot.com

    Who would you vote for in November

    and

    Gretawire.foxnews.com

    ty

  130. southernborn: I quit watching faux news earlier tonight. I can’t take that shit today. I cannot stand watching the made up stuff that they are sayin’ now like Hillary’s supporters are making racist calls to some senate office. I don’t know a Hillary supporter who would do such things. I do not believe that kind of crap.

  131. wbboei

    i remember romney “suspending” his campaign opposed to “conceding”. didn’t edwards “suspend” also? i am sure if HRC “suspends” the BM will be all over it calling her vicious names for not “conceding”.

    i say suspend the fucking campaign..fuck everyone else.

  132. dot48,

    This Nov., if Obama is the top of the ticket, I’ll vote top-to-bottom straight Republican. I already changed my registration to independent this Monday.

  133. basil9: Now it all makes sense. Those turds were already keen to the notion of disenfranchisement. I hope they are all keen to losing the support of literally millions of her supporters in the fall.

  134. Im going to register as an independent and promise myself NOT to donate to DNC ever until the DNC comes clean with their practice.

  135. That tape exists but the repubs are waiting to see exactly what status Hillary is as far as vp…notice that Fox over the last few days did the hit piece on Bill .. again tonight trying to stir that the Clinton’s are not vetted…they want to be sure Hill is not in this cause they know the power base she would bring IF her supporters took to it like a duck to water.

    This supporter wouldn’t but part of me wants her to do it so that she can say fuck off to Pelosi .. that bat eyed bitch

  136. Something to note: Big Media writes things about Hillary that usually turn out not to be true. Beware of rumors. None of us know what Hillary will say/do in the coming days or months or years. In fact we can never be sure what anyone will say/do. The only control we have is over ourselves. We can only control our reactions and our actions.

    Tonight we think of Patrick Henry: Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

    Big Pink is, was and will be a Hillary support site.

    That said, Obama is unelectable and not qualified to be president. We will continue to publish accordingly.

    Remember NOvember.

  137. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
    birdgal,

    do you post on MK forum?

    I like Caroline Zhang! Mao as well, not much a fan of kostner. She got a big gift at world championships. can you visit http://www.fsuniverse.net political forum? It’s been restricted there

    I do post at fsuuniverse.net political forum, but I haven’t been there, for about a week. I have felt sad and angry. I’ll go back, because the other forums are great, and I enjoy it there.

  138. Excellent article titled Congratulations to both Frontrunners; HRC won the popular vote, waffles the pledeged delegates.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/04/its-a-tie-popular-vote-v-pledged-delegates/#more-2927

  139. I’ll never give a friggin penney to the DNC.

    Again, if anyone gets that stupid survey .. mail back the envelope only. Let them pay the stamp fee.

  140. Levon,

    I hope I am wrong. But let’s be realistic here. The macro condition is dismal for GOP. Many sheep(ordinary voters) are just tired of GOP. Even Nader has a 50:50 chance of winning in such a year as a D. Look, McCain does look old especially compared to bambi. The modern politics is all about shallow soundbites, images etc… McCain will lose youth voters by a landslide margin since the young voters have no memory of crooked politicians, the question is whether sane older voters will be able to offset that demographic.

    I’m sure waffles will play ageism card against McCain, but the danger is he will further alienate many Hillary backers who are older and have seen through his tricks.

    BTW, NYT is reporting Clinton will endorse Obama on Friday, I think this is for real since her spokesman Wolfson made a statement. She is a party girl, she has no choice if she intends to stay with the party under tremedous pressure for pseudo ‘unity’. That’s why I believe ‘nuclear option’ is the only way to go.
    Many we can put her name as INDY in swing states such as OH/PA/MI?

    Get some rest for the next 1-2 weeks, it’ll be all Obama, all time by MSM.

  141. No justeminmoutdorafl. What we wrote is what was written, no secret messages, or hidden knowledge. We wanted to issue a note of caution on rumors and to make clear what our editorial policy was, is and will be.

  142. lol just playing with you admin, keep your posts good as it always has been. Obama is unelectable and I agree with you on this. It will continue to be apparent and this is unfortunate because this was the year that the Democrats had its strongest chance of winning back the white house and unforunately they’ve picked the weakest candidate with too much loose ends.

  143. I post at FSU as well. God I’m ready for the skating to start .. Summer Games too.

    I am so glad this site will remain for Hillary support.

    No matter what she does I will always admire her fighting spirit, her grace and poise and her big heart.

    It just seems a shame that the best qualified candidate in history is not being nominated.

    The whole system was gamed .

  144. ok, admin.

    i’ll try not to get wrapped around the BM axle. it is easy to get carried away. things are a bit emotional these days. 🙂

  145. One last item justmeinmoutdorafl: we have received Big Media inquiries and what we wrote is somewhat in response.

  146. admin are you referencing the whitey tape by chance? Should we cool it till it comes out? Too many mentions of it going through the press for it not to have some legs

  147. toll free but if you wish put it in hills contribute button.hahaha…

    GO hillary GO!!!!!!!!
    Madame President if your reading please get some rest and heal your voice i bet she is glad to be home and drink some tea or whiskey Lol and keep your tv off from
    them dirty media scroundels,they think they know what Hillary wants..only she knows and the only one who knows and Bill and chelsea and MOM its her mothers birthday today christ leave her alone those media buttheads.

  148. dot48 & birdgal,

    what are your ids on fsu? when the political forum is still open, there’s an insane Obamabot ‘satellitegirl’. She makes me want to puke… The typical, stupid, ‘young'(i assume), brainless Obama fan. Is she still posting all sorts of worshipping articles there?

    ‘Louis’ is good though . LOL.

  149. Welcome Tim! This is a troll free zone. When one is spotted, they are quickly swatted away.
    TM’s site has become heavily infested, and is no longer, as enjoyable.

  150. Newsbuster:

    Chris Matthews looked at Barack and Michelle last night, and saw Jack and Jacqueline. Opening this evening’s Hardball, the host was almost overcome by emotion in describing the scene of Obama’s victory speech last night in St. Paul, Minnesota.

    Here was Chris, discussing the matter with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Roger Simon of Politico, and Ed Gordon of BET.

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let’s dwell for one moment at least on the man who won last night. I swear. I had no idea this would ever happen in America. I don’t know if it will ever happen again. This is a trend, I don’t know, this is an odd occurrence. But it was . . . spectacular.

    . . .

    Last night’s magic moment for a lot of Americans. In fact, me included. That picture is right out of Camelot, as far as I’m concerned.

    View video here.

  151. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    dot48 & birdgal,

    what are your ids on fsu? when the political forum is still open, there’s an insane Obamabot ’satellitegirl’. She makes me want to puke… The typical, stupid, ‘young’(i assume), brainless Obama fan. Is she still posting all sorts of worshipping articles there?

    ‘Louis’ is good though . LOL.

    ROFL! Satellite girl is too much, and there are some others. I don’t frequent the “Obamarama” thread, so I don’t know, what useless garbage she has been posting. One, in particular, I have on “ignore.” My ID is the same, as it is here. Louis is great! I used to dislike him, but with this election, he has been a great Hillary supporter, and gives it back to the kool-aid crowd. LOL!

  152. please have a look at the gop ad. they will use Hillary’s words to attack BHO. if BHO loose, the AA will blame Hillary. Hillary should play hardball.

  153. Hello everyone. First time to post here. I was a Marshan and I recognise some names here. I’ve lurked awhile. Really sad day.

  154. I am disgusted

    totally disguseted /

    WHY the f**k they are pressuring her all day today .

    I mean chris mathews,tara on cnn ,,and cambell,s big smile on cnn is pissing me off.

  155. basil9

    sorry, I was over at the john mccain website. its the official website go to where the blogs are

  156. This article in the Baltimore Sun is so good it needs to get into the hands of every womens group in the country. Otherwise history gets written by the victors–msnbc, cnn etc. I will send copy to my favorite: Emile’s List.
    ———————————————
    Painful lessons
    Primary reveals obstacles facing women in politics
    By Lynette Long
    May 18, 2008
    Article tools
    E-mail Share
    Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post comment Text size: This primary campaign has been quite a learning experience, but the lessons have mainly been bitter ones for women. Here are some things I learned on the way to the Democratic National Convention:

    •People are more sensitive to racism than sexism. My twenty-something daughter returned home extremely agitated after casting her ballot in the Democratic primary. “This white guy was wearing a T-shirt that read, ‘Hillary, cook my food, but don’t run my country,’ and no one said a thing. If I wore a T-shirt that said, ‘Obama, shine my shoes but don’t run my country,’ I’d be called a racist.” Doing or saying anything perceived as racist is not tolerated in today’s America, but that’s simply not true of sexist behavior.

    •Most people aren’t aware of the insidious sexism in this campaign. I’ve heard commentators say “Mrs. Clinton and Senator Obama,” subtly implying she was a wife and he was a senator. I’ve heard Sen. Hillary Clinton called a bitch, a witch, and a she-devil on national television. I’ve watched group after group of predominantly male panelists on talk show after talk show discuss the election without a thought for female input.

    •Women voters are not factored into the decision making of the Democratic National Committee. The DNC is concerned that black voters will protest and stay home if Senator Clinton gets the nomination, even though she is the stronger and more electable candidate. But the DNC doesn’t worry that white women, three times larger than the combined black vote, will stay away from the polls if Mrs. Clinton does not get the nomination. They expect the white women of the party to fall in step and vote for Mr. Obama in the general election.

    •The rules for women candidates are not the same as the rules for male candidates. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy adamantly supports Mr. Obama, even though Mrs. Clinton won his home state, Massachusetts, by 14 points. Mr. Kennedy has repeatedly called for Mrs. Clinton to pull out of the race, yet when he was running for president in 1980 he took his bid for the Democratic nomination to the convention floor, trying to change the rules to unseat Jimmy Carter, who already had enough delegates to clinch the nomination. And let’s not forget that this year Mike Huckabee stayed in the contest for the Republican nomination when he had no chance of winning. He was committed to stay in the race until Sen. John McCain reached the number of delegates needed to win. At the end of the contest he had a total of 267 delegates, more than 900 behind Mr. McCain. No media barrage pushed Mr. Huckabee to withdraw. Barack Obama has not reached the needed number of delegates to win the nomination, yet Mrs. Clinton – who is fewer than 200 delegates behind Obama – is being pressured by commentators and the DNC to withdraw.

    •In the world of presidential politics, race trumps gender. It appears that young, white voters are more willing to vote for a black candidate than young, black voters are willing to vote for a white candidate. My analysis of the statistics found that young white voters seemed to perceive race as less of a factor in their voting preferences, since more than half of them selected Mr. Obama. More than 90 percent of blacks have voted for Mr. Obama, creating a large racial bloc. Female black voters prefer Mr. Obama by essentially the same margin as male black voters.

    •Politics is a mathematical business. Popular votes, electoral votes, delegates, superdelegates, precincts, districts and states are all numbers to be crunched. Voters are categorized by factors including age, gender, race, religion and income. Statistical tools such as trends, clusters, margin of error, polls, projections and polling preferences are all used to track candidates and predict winners. Pundits use their knowledge of statistics to select and organize data points so they can spin data to present their candidate in the most favorable light.

    •Political commentary and election coverage is biased. MSNBC is called the “Obama News Network” by various blogs. CNN claims neutrality, but bias seeps through: In my view, its commentators Amy Holmes and Roland Martin are blatant Obama supporters; David Gergen and Donna Brazile are also Obama supporters; and Carl Bernstein and Campbell Brown don’t like Mrs. Clinton.

    What else have I learned? That most Americans vote with their hearts rather than their heads. That voters make decisions out of fear and personal interest rather than out of principle. That all politics is local politics. That when voters like a candidate they will excuse almost anything, and when they don’t like a candidate they will parse every word and excuse no sins. I’ve also learned that the most powerful constituency is the media. And I’ve learned that true courage is especially hard to find – especially in a politician.

    Lynette Long is a psychologist in Bethesda and the author of 20 books. Her e-mail is drlynettelong@aol.com.

  157. from noqaurterusa

    Obama statement
    “I’m saddened by today’s verdict. This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.” – Senator Barack Obama

    http://www.blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/obama_rezko_statement.html

    what a f***king hypocrite

  158. meiyingsu, That ad includes Edwards, Biden and others, too. Don’t worry.

    Confirmation Hillary is endorsing Obama Saturday. They’re not sure if she’s suspending campaign or ending it altogether.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080605/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton

  159. meiyingsu Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    GOP ad

    Wow! Using the democrats words. That ad is deadly.

  160. I’m wvgal57 at fsu .. rarely post there at the political forum anymore. The bots rampant rages .. won’t fight with them ..

  161. birdgal,

    have you posted anything recently there? I can’t find your postings there. That forum is also an insane site, lots of stupid gossips on figure skaters… mindless discussion on trivalty..

  162. someone wrote this on noquarter (i am still laughing )

    No, you stupid boob! It has nothing to do with race but with a corrupt, sleazy, inexperienced, idiot of an abomination, oh excuse me! Obamanation. Never, ever would I vote for him.! I’d vote for my dog Skippy before I’d ever vote for Obama.

  163. The trolls will take over TM and it will become an obama site. I gave my last farewell to them an hour ago. Here is a good post by princess peanut.

    First the AP and now the New York Times.

    Has our “media” lied to us before? Yes. Will they lie again? Yes.

    What was that again re: Super Delegates? NEVER overturn the will of the people…UNLESS Obama needs the delegates to PROCLAIM HIMSELF the winner.

    Didn’t Brazille vow to leave the party if that happened? So, when can we expect her bags packed?

    Nevermind. What Democratic Party? After close to 30 years, I’m done. May 31, 2008…the day the music died.

    Anyone check out the RNC press release at the Sun Herald? Ka-fucking-boom! Let the games begin. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone. Hell, we researched and found half the stuff ourselves. That’s what RESPONSIBLE political parties USED to do. The Repubs are gonna win more than the WH. They will expose this imposter because the Dem leadership chose NOT to. Way to level the moral playing field, Pelosi, Reid, Dean and Brazille.

    I won’t be a hypocrite. Not for Obama. Not for anyone. I refuse to compromise my principles and beliefs because some yoo-hoos in the Democratic Leadership tell me to.

    Stand for something or stand for nothing.

  164. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
    birdgal,

    have you posted anything recently there? I can’t find your postings there. That forum is also an insane site, lots of stupid gossips on figure skaters… mindless discussion on trivalty..

    Most of my recent postings have been on the Hillary Luuvrefest. Maybe, you can’t find my postings, becaue the forum is now private?

  165. Sonia: I would do a triple sumersault corkshrew swan dive backwards into the fires of dantes inferno and vote for belesebub prince of devils before I would vote for bambi. Top that one,

  166. Well nobody said it would be easy. They’ve thrown everything but the kitchen sink at her and she’s still standing tall. I admire and respect her more than ever.

    Is it wrong to pray that Obama comes tumbling down before the convention?

  167. Obama statement
    “I’m saddened by today’s verdict. This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.” – Senator Barack Obama
    ———————————————-
    Not the Adolf Hitler I knew.

  168. wbboei Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    Sonia: I would do a triple sumersault corkshrew swan dive backwards into the fires of ,and vote for belesebub prince of devils before I would vote for bambi. Top that one,

    I am laughing (but i don,t get the meaning of half ur words)

    what is triple sumersault corkshrew , belesebub ,dantes inferno

  169. not my cat’s (plural) litter box………ewwwwwwww! LOL

    no seriously!!! anything but that!! 😀

  170. I was just watching Hannity and Colmes on Fox and Hannity asked Ed Rendell this question (paraphrasing): ‘If we were to start the democratic primaries all over again, starting today, and knowing all that we know about waffles today, who would win the primary?’ Ed Rendell’s answer was ‘She would have stormed her way to the nomination.’ He also said that there were ‘Clear warning signals that waffles has a lot of work to do.’

  171. Stand for something or Stand for Nothing, I like that

    I Stand for Hillary Rodham Clinton, who withstood the terrible abuse of a sexually abusive DNC, and remained Standing, who won more popular votes, and who was told to sit down and shut up by a bunch of corrupt politicans who in many cases the Clinton had help.

    I am looking for a new party, one that truely respects and supports women. and I will vote for McCain in the Fall. I doubt I will ever return to the DNC.

  172. Funny from the candidate of change everybody that he knows changes
    Tony Rezko
    Rev Wright
    Fr Pfleger
    Trinity United Church

    For Obama no one is ever the same as when he first met them. WHAT A LIAR

    Obama will be a blight and a stain on this country and the Democratic Party has decided to hijack the party embrace Obama and give the republicans another 4yrs so being the evil whiners that we are we should accomadate the republicans because this is the day the Democratic Party died and they will lose because Obama has lost the constituency and the glue that has held and has been the difference in winning and losing for the Democratic Party

    white working class
    women
    catholics
    hispanics
    jews
    bitter, clinging to religion/gun toting white folks
    garlic noses

    with that said

    Hillary is the greatest leader of our time.

    Love ya Hilll

    mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com

  173. SUGAR: wow, another great video. They don’t waste any time do they? It’s official… the Democratic? party is now the party of corruption.

  174. wbboei,

    go to noquarter. I think democratic party or some labour union backed Taylor’s site financially. Sadly, she will not be able to cheer for the downfall of bambi in general election. Stop donating to her site, switch to
    noquarter. Noquarter’s traffic is exploding.

  175. wbboei, Thanks for posting that article. It’s excellent. BTW, Ed Rendell is absolutely right.

  176. This RNC video re: waffles and Rezko is just the tip of the iceberg. This is the sort of stuff Hillary tried to warn the Democratic? party about. waffles was nowhere close to being vetted by his own party. The RNC will make sure that happens now.

  177. btw,

    Clinton to endorse bambi on Friday, i think this is for real. She has no choice under the pressure of the party elders as it seems to me she intends to stay with the party.

    Wow, Ed Rendell is truly amazing… Courageous…

    If she stays with the current corrupt party, I really don’t want her to accept V.P. slot. She should stay in senate. Hopefully when McCain wins, she will be a leader to truly work with McCain.

  178. Levon, can you BELIEVE how quickly they got that ad together!!!? It must have only been posted in the past hour or so because it’s only got about 215 views.

  179. I just left TM’s site, and will not be going back. She doesn’t think, that the primary was rigged. I am, a political novice, and I know, it was rigged and gamed. After Saturday, how can anyone think, that this whole scenario was not rigged. Waffles, is an illegimate candidate.

  180. SUGAR, yep, they probably had it ready to go before the conviction I’m sure. waffles, as they say, is a target-rich environment. The RNC will have a FIELD DAY with his associations and lack of experience.

  181. I am sure they have 5 months worth of ads that could come out daily already made and ready to go on day one! 😀

  182. bcc, be careful about that. I read somewhere that in some states, if you write in Hillary’s name, that your vote might just go to waffles, since he’ll be the Democratic nominee. I haven’t done any research on that to know if it’s true or not, but you will want to make absolutely sure before doing it!

  183. i am glad ,i never fell in love with taylor marsh site ,

    she is sold just like other clinton backers .Chicago thugs with corrupt money buying votes and supporters ,

    but he will hit with a surprise in NOVEMEBR — bacause any woman with common sense, intelligence, and any woman who watched this primary play unfair in front of thier eyes will not ever vote for obama

  184. with them hitting him so hard so quickly……. and as they say a day in politics is like a year

    not only alot can happen but anything can happen between now and August….. it was a smart move for hillary to suspend
    and not end her campaign…….I bet by convention the DNC will be eating crow as we tell them we told you so

  185. Sugar, thanks for the video. Sitting here in NE DC listening to the rain with my partner drinking wine (too much). Never will support O even if Hillary is on the ticket.

  186. Dee Dee Myers on Larry King studdering

    Wasn’t it her husband who wrote the vanity fair article the other day about Bill Clinton?

  187. I agree.

    A vote for waffles is a vote for waffles
    Not voting is a vote for waffles
    A write-in vote is a vote for waffles
    A vote for McCain is a vote against waffles and FOR Hillary 2012

  188. The thing about the video is none of it is made up. It’s 100% true. The crap on waffles is so good there’s no need for making stuff up.

  189. thanks guys.. I will make this my new bloggin home.. I don’t like blogging at taylor;s anymore.. she continues to support a democratic part that is NOT DEMOCRATIC!

    thanks for the welcome!

    me, I truely believe hillary will be the nominee in august.. she had to suspend, but that;s the key, she suspended NOT conceded..

    she will have to “endorse” that empty-suit and even do some fundraisers.. BUT now the fraud will feel the full brunt of the GOP attack machine!

    hillary was the firewall, that is no longer true..

    and most of the stuff we know will be a SHOCK to the general public.

    should be fun to watch him in the spotlight, harsher and brighter…

  190. IF Hillary does concede to shut the f**k of the media,pelosi,dnc,obama camp ,—she will always remain the winner .

    People will always think about her with respect, proud, love, pain and with the thought of WHAT IF?just like they look at BUSH and think of what happened to al-gore and think -WHAT IF?

  191. Yes, dedf, which is probably why she’s stuttering, lol.

    Rendell is never afraid to tell it like it is. If the Wright video had come out before Iowa, Obama never would’ve won there.

  192. Now that I think about it, that was the point. Hannity released the video when he knew Hillary wasn’t going to catch Obama in delegates.

  193. and -by august ,i am hoping ,all the tapes will show up ,all truth about obama will come up and theu will nominate HILLARY

  194. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    sonia, what have you been smoking?

    WHY ?what happened?

  195. Levon Says:
    June 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    1) Does Hillary want to be VP? Everything I’ve ever heard from her tells me she wants to be POTUS, not VP. The Dem primary election could have changed her feelings about this, but I’m still skeptical.
    &&&&&

    My take: Hillary’s statement about accepting veep if offered I think is directed to SDs, that she’s willing to play nice, and how much nicer can you get than saying, “I’m willing to unite the party, if Obama is…” But I extremely doubt she really wants to be his veep.

    My hope is that she NOT CONCEDE, because if Obama implodes, and she’s already taken herself out (“pulling a Michigan”), the DNC can do whatever they want, like recruit Gore or Edwards (who did not concede, probably for this precise reason, or as I like to put it, the “two meteor theary”).

    Suspending her campaign is a much better route. But I’d rather she just announce, after seeing what SDs do, that she’s going to the convention, that BO doesn’t have it on pledged dels, and work the rules. I know it sounds a little scorched earth, but let’s think about Reagan in 1976. He was the outsider, Ford had the advantages of party support (hmm, sound familiar). He did not back down, saying that he was obliged to represent all the voters who made their nominating process so close.

    After a good floor fight, his reputation was enhanced. The winner, Ford, went on to lose. Reagan became the immediate favorite.

    If Obama doesn’t implode, we’ll take him down very effectively. Then in January, Hillary will start, with our help, building her case. And the DNC heads will HAVE TO ROLL. They’ll have to own the train wreck, and take responsibility for how badly they treated her (Edwards got more respect from the party heads). Clyburn, Brazile, old Liberal guard, we’re going to make sure your going to be stuck holding the bag: this was your guy you installed, you didn’t help the strongest candidate, you tore her down. Shame on you all. And we won’t forget.

  196. Sonia, please don’t worry about it. It’s just an expression Your post above about Hillary being remembered as a winner just sort of reminded me of a “fairy tale.”

  197. Well, there it is. Delegation of Congress members called HRC tonight and threatened her: concede to Obama or they would withdraw their support and would not vote for her at the convention.

    No on has ever been strongarmed into ending their bid before the convention–even Kennedy that was 900 delegates behind was allowed (encouraged!) to go to convention and make his case–against the sitting President!

    But not Hillary. She’s expected to be the good girl, play nice and pay deference to the second-rate Obama.

    I am disgusted with the Democratic party. I feel betrayed.

  198. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    Sonia, please don’t worry about it

    Oh ,Ok,

  199. What’s with so many people not being able to use the . , or – properly?

    I also meant to include spaces.

  200. Wow, spega. If the DNC forced Hillary out, like it sounds, then needless to say, we will not forget.

  201. spega: I think, that is why, so many of us, have left the party. I changed my voter registration over the weekend.

  202. Sugar thanks for the video link. We updated the front page. The Republicans know the potency of the Rezko issue.

  203. Did any of you hear about Clyburn on tv whining about Clinton supporter supposedly sending him racist e-mail and threatening e-mail
    when
    Black congressional and any other black person who supported Hillary was threatened starting with John Lewis
    duh
    I didnt hear the media makin a stink about that.

  204. Seems like the DNC, is doing everything possible to prop up BHO, even at the risk of losing Hillary supporters. What a corrupt system. Affirmative Action for the presidency.

  205. Oh yeah and it was Clyburns job to be the sheild and bring the black supporters back into the realm of THE ONe he was supposed to smooth the way and he is whinning about emails.

  206. Thanks, spega. My mind is now made up – I won’t change parties but

    I WILL BE A DEMOCRAT WHO VOTES FOR MCCAIN.

    remember: NOvember

  207. Marie, I heard this on television about reports of “racist comments” by Hillary supporters to the offices of congressional black caucus. How do they know they are really Hillary supporters.

  208. sheesh,

    you cant walk away for a couple of hours, cause when you come
    back everybodies crying….

    listen, if hillary suspends her campaign, fine, i’ve got work to do
    anyway, i want these people who overthrew the democratic party,
    GONE…

    now if hillary decides to go for vice prez with obama, SHE WILL
    LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY IN MY EYES. i cannot and willnot believe,
    she would so demean herself and her supporters in this fashion.
    there is no way in hell, hillary doesnt know the quality of the man
    that is trying to get in the office.
    to say she will do anything they ask her to save the democratic
    party, is appaling to me…
    she should be more concerned about saving the country from the
    low life contingent advising obama…
    and if she puts her weight and approval behind him, she is insuring
    that a scheming racist thug, rules our country.

    THAT, I CANNOT FORGIVE!!!
    again i say to you, my devotion to hillary, will be sundered forever.
    I WILL HAVE NO DIFFICULTY, VOTING AGAINST HER JOINT TICKET…

    SORRY, i have the world of your children, and my children to think
    about, i cant afford to be passive this time.
    for those who say as she will, well i can help as much as possible;
    i say when pigs fly…
    if she is so gullible to believe they would give weight to anything
    she and bill say, you are smoking crack. look for them to try and
    bring bill and maybe hill up on phony charges as soon as they can.

    this has been all about hill for the last year for me, but now its about
    me.

    ADMIN, i would like to have a place to plot the replacment, of
    the traitors in the party, and hope you will be here for that.
    but i am not onboard to campaign for ob/hill, i will be the one
    wearing the mccain button…

  209. marie3548 Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
    Did any of you hear about Clyburn on tv whining about Clinton supporter supposedly sending him racist e-mail and threatening e-mail
    when
    Black congressional and any other black person who supported Hillary was threatened starting with John Lewis
    duh
    I didnt hear the media makin a stink about that

    Yes, I did hear about that. It was probably, BHO supporters, pretending to be Hillary supporters. BHO supporters have been known to act like that. Clyburn has been race-baiting this entire campaignseason.

    No one complained, when Hillary supporters were threatened. This sickens me.

  210. I am not going to change to let the DNC know that I am a democrat and voted republican if I change they will spin it as I was a republican to start when this fraud loses.

    The vetting team Erik Holder has a lot of baggage but what do you expect from corrupt azz Obama.

  211. tim,

    go to ‘noquarter’, that has become a no-hold-barrel-anti-Obama site. I enjoy that site as well. TM is doing this purely on a financial reason. I believe her site was partially backed by labour union or sth. When we leave her site, her money will dry up. There is no love in politics, it’s all money.

    Do NOT write in HILLARY in Nov. It’s meaningless, a write-in vote for Hillary or sit-out is one vote for bambi.

    Vote for McCain, since he will have a net gain of 2 when a democrat defects to GOP. The humiliation and defeat of the current Pelosi wing is our ultimate goal.

  212. You are right Birdgal
    I thought that too that it could be Obamabots this is just more rhetoric too make Hillary look bad.

    And did you hear
    Carter it would be the worst mistake because of Hillary baggage and Obama’s baggage
    Karl Rove said it is wonderful that he is willing to jump up on a stage and remind people of his 4yrs as president. LOL

    If he knows Obama has so much baggage Duh and they jumped on his crashwagon.

  213. PARTY UNITY IS NOT A ONE WAY STREET.

    spega Says:
    June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Well, there it is. Delegation of Congress members called HRC tonight and threatened her: concede to Obama or they would withdraw their support and would not vote for her at the convention.

    No on has ever been strongarmed into ending their bid before the convention–even Kennedy that was 900 delegates behind was allowed (encouraged!) to go to convention and make his case–against the sitting President!
    &&&&&&

    Dem party heads, DNC, SDs, are all demanding party unity from Hillary.

    But not from themselves?
    Not from Obama?

    It is their extreme antagonism that has started this divide, and they keep driving the wedge deeper. 5/31 RBC was another turning point, the coming out party for the Fixers. Then the SDs having to make sure Obama crossed some imaginary “finish line”. What happened to Brazile’s, “If 795 SDs decide this, I’m outta here”????

    Such do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do hypocrisy enforces that They dont’ want us in Their Party. You heard Brazile and Axelrod, they have New friends to play with “urban, urbane, smarty, witty, people of color, rich”.

    They don’t need us bitter whities and latinos and women and middle/lower class folks. We’re the old coalition.

    “YESTERDAY’S COALITION” WILL VOTE YOU OUT…TODAY.

    We’ll take our organizing skills and energy to ensure Obama’s career trajectory is short. How will he follow up a 40-something state landslide blowout loss? Let me guess, after four more years of Senate experience, he’ll want to convince Dems that “With my additional experience, I am ready to take on President McCain a second time. We cannot tolerate a fourth Bush term”.

    Fat chance. After getting rebuffed in 2012, he’ll find out that he doesn’t enjoy losing, and move onto some other scam. Tata, Obama.

  214. “Walk softly and carry a big stick.”

    Lou Dobbs: Do you believe Senator Hillary Clinton should run as an Independent candidate for President?
    Yes 59% 5730
    No 41% 3928
    Total Votes: 9658

    This is not a scientific poll

  215. Dem heads threating Hillary. A great way to ensure that 18,000,000 get behind Their Candidate.

  216. This November:
    1. A write-in vote for Clinton, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
    2. A vote for nobody, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
    3. A vote for McCain, IS A VOTE FOR CLINTON
    Because:
    1. If Obama wins in the fall, Hillary will never be President and her and Bill are sent out to pasture as the Democratic party becomes the party of the Obamas
    2. If Obama loses in the fall, Hillary becomes the de facto leader of the Democratic party and presumptive nominee in 2012
    Will you allow the DNC and MSNBC to take away vote, or will you take material steps to re-take control of your party and your country?
    It’s up to you!

  217. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Do NOT write in HILLARY in Nov. It’s meaningless, a write-in vote for Hillary or sit-out is one vote for bambi.

    Vote for McCain, since he will have a net gain of 2 when a democrat defects to GOP. The humiliation and defeat of the current Pelosi wing is our ultimate goal.

    I agree .sorry ,my brain is fried ,i can,t think no more . i am just reading and agreeing with all of you .

  218. rgb44hrc Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “…After getting rebuffed in 2012, he’ll find out that he doesn’t enjoy losing, and move onto some other scam. Tata, Obama.”

    My hope is that his ass is sitting in jail (if he can sit, ya know what I mean?).

  219. We must start emailing, bombarding Democratic Party officials to demand they treat Hillary with dignity, to allow her to enjoy her trip to the convention, to represent EIGHTEEN MILLION VOTERS. THE MOST EVER FOR A NOMINATION.

    We will also let them know that if they continue to harrass, intimidate, or threaten Hillary, that we will target their seats. We will not contribute. The Dem convention is going to be relocated to a picnic grounds under a tent, for just two days.

    If they don’t understand now, they will soon. Denver won’t be pretty. It’s not going to be the Dream Wedding.

  220. Should Senator Obama consult former President Carter on VP choices?
    good idea
    bad idea

    on greta wire
    I said yes consult we see how his campaign turned out Regan trounced him this should ensure that Obama has the same results with Carter and Kerry slam dunk.

    LOSER

  221. I am so done with this party. Everyone should vote McCain. let’s show this party If they think we will warm up to O , no way ever. This AA will never vote for him. I will vote all Republicans come November

  222. Guys- You know me. I’ve been with her 100%. Tomorrow I call McCain and give them my network, my opp research–whatever they need.

    Join me: spabeles@patriot.net

    I’m setting it up

    Clinton Supporters for McCain
    SLOGAN:
    “Remember in November” (thanks GaryinDC & Patrick)

  223. # marie3548 Says:
    June 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Sorry rg44hrc

    I will never vote for Obama

    Hillary or MCcain
    &&&&&

    Marie: Where did I advocate voting for Obama? In every one of my posts, I have only spoken on how Obama must be stopped.

  224. Hi, Hillfriends: I am sick about the turn of events. Obama is the progeny of the primordial ooze that is the Illinois Combine. The question is: will Americans pay attendion in enough time?

    I’ve always been an independent – attracted to the extremely sane economic and social policies of the Clinton administration. But, maybe the country might be ready for a real alternative third party made up of a good portion of American Women.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party

  225. oh man

    this day is the longest in politics and saturday will be .

    I can,t stop my tears .I just can,t think no more.

  226. neetabug, I’m tempted to vote all Republicans myself in November if things keep going the way they are. I honestly wondered if I’d be able to do it as I inched home in traffic this afternoon after the horrible weather we had! I think that if this treatment of loyal Democrats continues, I just may have to make across the board protest votes if Hillary isn’t the nominee.

  227. Greta pew research women 43% favorable of Obama down from 56%

    Internet petition circulating for clinton to be VP

    Greta first poll 43% said they would vote for Senator Mccain WOW

  228. If the Dems piss me off enough, they might find me voting down the ticket against them. NJ turns Red state?

    I won’t, if I research and can see proof that my SDs acted with decorum toward Hillary. But anyone caught “piling on” is going to get my wrath of a vote.

  229. molly, I understand. I don’t think IT’S DONE. I’m ready to fight.

    I just want the Dems to know that they can’t ignore us. If they won’t ever take us out to dinner, we’re going to get friendly with some nice looking neighbor…

  230. spega – just make sure it’s Remember in NOvember!

    (if I could I’d underline that NO….)

  231. I still remember when nevada cacuses happened and i sent some money to my temple ,praying for hillary win ,she won and i danced and danced .

    I really hope ,by august ,all the obama truth will come out and she will be the nominee ,at least i hope so and i will pray for it .

    I

  232. I plan to vote straight republican .. if babmi wins, he’ll have enough repubs to keep him from running amok.

    A full congress and senate with Bambi will be a trainwreck for the country….

  233. RGB44hrc

    No I never meant that you were voting for Obama
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    was only speaking for myself I agree Obama must be stopped and for me voting for McCain since Obama is the so called nominee I will never support him and will vote for MCcain if I cant have Hillary

  234. June 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
    rgb44hrc Says:

    “We must start emailing, bombarding Democratic Party officials to demand they treat Hillary with dignity, to allow her to enjoy her trip to the convention, to represent EIGHTEEN MILLION VOTERS. THE MOST EVER FOR A NOMINATION.”

    Sorry, rgb44, but I went there and have to sign in to send my information. I don’t want to give them my contact information. And, for that matter, I don’t want Hillary to give Obama any of my information. I don’t want Hillary to give that creep her database – that’s all they want. They think that if they have her contacts, they will win over her base.

    I will never, never vote for him. I will never, never contribute to either Obama or the DNC. Together, they have stolen this primary; hijacked the will of the people in Michigan, Florida and evidently the caucus states. They are no better than the Republicans in 2000 and no better than thugs or muggers on the street.

  235. curiosityhasme Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    Other T-shirt:

    Divorce the Democrats

    Co-dependent No More
    *****************************************************
    Liberated from the Democrats. Vote McCain!

  236. Informed in Illinois Says:
    June 4th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Sorry, rgb44, but I went there and have to sign in to send my information. I don’t want to give them my contact information. And, for that matter, I don’t want Hillary to give Obama any of my information. I don’t want Hillary to give that creep her database – that’s all they want. They think that if they have her contacts, they will win over her base.
    &&&&&

    Hmmm, a good, valid point. But I’m sure there’s ways to communicate AT them (notice I didn’t say …WITH them).

  237. As we are ALL in the slimy depths and reeling from all the emotion – the most painful continues to be the absolute BETRAYAL by the Democratic Party toward Hillary (and Bill) Clinton. Even though we need a little time to catch our breath (and some shut-eye) The fact that she has been forced out now by HER OWN SUPPORTERS rips my heart out. Looks like your own congressional supporters don’t take us women, Latinos, Asians, and other demographics seriously, either. Spineless creatures. I will search for websites to aid in their defeats. All of them. Starting with Kerry.

    So, Hillary, here’s the deal. Our BACKWARD country has proven that women apparently are unelectable. A brilliant as you are, an absolute expert on policy matters, articulate, connecting with voters – the whole ball of wax. But our society demeans women more than ANY OF US ever knew. The closest nomination in U. S. history – any MAN running for President would be allowed to take his time, go to the convention unimpeded and have done so time and time again. But the fact that committed, uncommitted SD’s and your own supporters have been blackmailed, threatened, etc. shows the brutal force of the Chicago Mob. The Middle Eastern Chicago Mob.

    Hillary – Why do you think Lou Dobbs, author of Independent’s Day would ask the question on THIS particular day, if HE didn’t think it was the RIGHT question to ask?

    LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Not to wound you more, but obviously the Democratic Party that you and Bill led and made a fortune for – have COMPLETELY betrayed you. C O M P L E T E L Y. Disgraceful that it is, you are still by far the most qualified person to run for the Presidency in our lifetimes. That hasn’t changed.

    ALL YOU HAVE LEFT ARE YOUR TRUSTED SENIOR ADVISORS, YOUR FAMILY, and EIGHTEEN MILLION (AND COUNTING) SUPPORTERS.

    Take Lou’s question of the day as a huge HINT HINT….Okay, wait until his BHO’s shoes start to fall, and then – when your formerly loyal Democratic turncoats go down with him…we will still be there for you.

    Letting go of the Democratic moniker may seem too foreign to grasp. But it’s ONLY a name. We have ALL learned the past several months that it has no meaning left, sadly. In fact, the DNC is nothing but a farce, a facade, a cover for radical extremists. The the majority of their millions of supporters don’t even realize that fact. But fact it is.

    LET GO. Blaze a new trail. You have the ability to be the real agent of change that this country thirsts for.

    The word “fairytale” keeps coming up. Well, let me give you a happy ending to this story. Goldilocks won because her views weren’t TOO left, or TOO right, they were JUST RIGHT. We need your moderation on the issues that matter to us most and your practicality. Desperately.

    Independent is JUST RIGHT.

  238. Is this the year for Pelosi because I saw an article about Cindy Sheeehan challenging Pelosi for her seat and was asking for donations.

  239. RE Jimmy Carter advising Waffles on VP choices:
    good idea 17% (351 votes)
    bad idea 83% (1748 votes)
    Total Votes: 2096

  240. Kostner is right. Do not stay home. Do not write-in. Vote McCain.

    Let’s give BO, his surrogates, his supporters, the DNC, and big media the one finger salute!

  241. Doesn’t Cindy Sheehan support The One? Pelosi just isn’t moving fast enough on the war. Watch for it: With an approval rating lower than Bush, Pelosi will join Grandma, Rev. Wright, Pfleger, under the bus.

  242. admin, you will most likely be getting a lot of new registrations from TM .. Hill supporters there are loyal, I hope they will join us here

  243. Was asking because I was going to support anyone against Pelosi but I was not aware that Sheehan supported Obama.

  244. thanks guys.. off to bed..

    dot48.. you are correct, a lot of TM’s poster will come here.. NO TROLLS…strong supporters of hillary..

  245. Hi Dot48, I saw you and Kostner talking about FSU. I also used to post on the Hillary Lurvefest there. I stopped when it became private.

  246. They are at it again this will not be going away for Obama.

    Greta showing a clip of Idiots demanding a meeting with the Cardinal who made Pfelger take a leave. The guy leading has a tie on that is a sign of NOI(nation of islam).

    Greta talking to Lynn Sweet about these Chicago racist rants.

  247. Gina Gershon calls suggestions of affair with Bill Clinton are outrageous has her lawyers on the story Looks like Vanity Fair may be in a little trouble.

    Probably Nobama’s doing.

  248. SUGAR Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    neetabug, I’m tempted to vote all Republicans myself in November if things keep going the way they are. I honestly wondered if I’d be able to do it as I inched home in traffic this afternoon after the horrible weather we had! I think that if this treatment of loyal Democrats continues, I just may have to make across the board protest votes if Hillary isn’t the nominee.
    *****************************************************
    Sugar, it’s not hard to do. I’m from California and I just could no longer support the Democratic Governor Grey Davis…who I had voted for ever since is first campaign…I like Grey Davis but when he signed that license driver bill for illegal aliens against the will of the people…I’d had no problem signing the recall petition and voting for Arnold Scharwzeneggger, who is in his 2nd term.

    And here we are again the Democratic party going against the majority and placing this corrupted Chicago politician with one of the WEAKEST POLITICAL RESUME I’ve ever seen be nominated by a major political party, in the history of this country. On the back of womens and other core groups…with a popaganda media thinking they are better then the voters.

    SO, should I vote to put all thses LOSERS back in power and elevate one of the most corrupt political machine in the country…Chicago and reward bad behavior by MORALLY BANKRUPTED POLITICIANS while our military is fighting TWO WARS OVERSEAS with this SLUG wearing the CIC hat that couldn’t even wear a Flag pin in his lapel while campaign? Or go to a ANTI-AMERICAN church that DAMNED American after 911 or Associates and accept campaign funds with KNOWN TERRIORISTS while campaigning for the POTUS?

    And set the WOMEN RIGHTS BACK FOR A GENERATION and don’t think they haven’t done that…Don’t be NAIVE that over a year of BLATANT SEXISM and MYSOGINISTIC PROGRAMS doesn’t trickle down into acceptable speech…Puhlease.

    I CAN VOTE for McCain happily and with no regrets as a DEMOCRAT and fight to clean house in my own party for the next 4 years. Because if you think Hillary is going to be offered the VP…by that WEAK ASS Obambi and continue to upstage him….is a fantasy that WILL not happen.

    TEAM OBAMA has been at WAR with the Clintons and will do everything they can to wipe away the Clinton’s legacies because they are MORALLY CORRUPTED.

    SO, No more being taken for granted TWICE by the DEMOCRATS…AS A Black Women I have been LIBERATED!

  249. curiosityhasme,

    Urgent alert. Kerry will have a PRIMARY on Saturday in Lowell, MA. A primary guy is challenging him to get 15% in order to get on the ballot, and there’s a news report that he is VERY nervous and contacted local politicians to get that guy off the ballot.

    Go check that guy’s website, I believe his name is Ed O’Reilly or sth. Go to the convention on Saturday, and help that guy on primary ballot.

  250. marie3548,

    Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.

  251. Now that is a Obama-Daly style tactic

    Obama can school him on how to accomplish that since that is how he got his state senate seat.

  252. Informed in Illinois and rgb44hrc:

    I truly believe that we all get so “hung up” on labels that they thwart true progress and do not reflect reality. And the harsh reality now is that “Democratic” no longer means democratic. So, let ’em have it. If the NAACP can stage a march to bury the “n” word, I’m all for burying the “Democratic” word as well. For me, it no longer exists. If Independent sounds too..overused…then something else could be more appropriate.

    Back in the summer of ’70 at Bluebonnet Girls’ State, it was the Nationalists and the Federalists. Why not recycle those? Again, it’s not the “word” or the “label”, but the PERSON, the LEADER. HILLARY CLINTON.

  253. I bet, Ted Kennedy had Caroline appointed to the VP search team, because he could not do it himself. Caroline and Ted are very close. She is not qualified to do this. Teddy is behind this, IMHO.

  254. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
    marie3548,

    Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.

    I believe, Shirley Golub, is also challenging Pelosi. I wonder, what the results of Tuesday’s primary were?

  255. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
    marie3548,

    Go for Sheelen… It does not matter who’s challenge Pelosi. Even it’s a pig, I will vote for it.

    A pig with lipstick.)

  256. O’Reilly Hopes to Oust Kerry from Senate Seat
    Submitted by edoreill_admin on Mon, 04/21/2008 – 17:43 O’Reilly is a long-time criminal defense trial attorney who is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and the New England School of Law. He has also worked as a firefighter, a corrections officer and counselor and as a commercial lobsterman. In politics, O’Reilly has served on the Gloucester City Council and School Committee.

    Kerry is out of touch with people in Massachusetts, O’Reilly charged, and has an inability to lead. O’Reilly contended that Kerry has not accomplished much in over two decades in the Senate and has often been on both sides of an issue in the name of political expediency.

    “He doesn’t have a core set of principles,” he said of Kerry.

  257. curiosityhasme,

    Did you read my urgent alert! Saturday, there will be a covention in Lowell, MA. If Ed O’Reilly gets 15%, he’ll be Kerry’s primary challenger in Sept. Do some research, and you might help him out.

    Boston Herald had an article, a bunch of Hillary supporters just ousted a superdelegate who backed Obama from a party position. So there’s a success story!

  258. “He doesn’t have a core set of principles,” he said of Kerry

    Well, ain’t that the truth.

  259. Kostner:

    Thanks for the info. Caught a sentence late last night about Kerry running scared. Will definitely check it out. Then Pelosi…. Can’t wait ’til McCaskill runs again. She and many women need to get a dose of the same medicine that Hillary has had to swallow.

  260. Hi everyone

    storm in the area so my satellite is out 🙁 couldn’t watch hannity or greta 🙁

    I am trying to catch up here reading…..almost there

  261. Please everyone, consider voting for McCain in November. It’s much better than either not voting or writing in someone else. A vote for McCain does double the damage to waffles. It adds a vote in McCain’s column, and takes away one from waffles. Put another way, 1 million people voting for McCain is the equivalent of 2 million people either staying home, or writing someone else other than McCain in.

    REMEMBER: A vote for McCain is 2 votes AGAINST waffles. A vote for McCain is 2 votes FOR Hillary 2012.

  262. do you know whether Pelosi’s constituency has lots of Chinese Americans? She is a hardcore anti-China representative. Chinese Americans are not politically active, I’m wondering whether they’ll show her the door out.

  263. filbertsf,

    Ed O’Reilly is a so-called ‘progressive’ Dem. I visited his site several times. He’s very liberal, sounds like a quite intelligent guy. He’s against the war from the beginning. blah, blah, blah.

    He needs 15% of votes at a convention in Lowell, MA this coming Saturday to get on the democratic primary baloot. It’s like Lieberman vs. Lamont all over again.

    Go check his site if any of you are in MA.

  264. Kostner, no. Chinatown is not part of her district. She has a lot of women and latte liberals.

  265. Curosityhasme you are right I stayed up all night waiting on the results for Mccaskill and Webb.

  266. marie3548,

    I actually watched a clip of an interview O’reilly had with a boston TV station online a while ago. Hes quite articulate. There’s also a GOP challenger. I believe any of those guys is more qualified than flip flopper Kerry.

  267. New Day Dawning: The Clinton’s are out of Politics
    Posted 6/4/2008 9:29 AM CDT
    There is a new day dawning: The Clintons are out of the national political scene. Well, mostly out.

    Hillary didn’t completely concede her delegates to Obama, so she can still make a bit of mischief during the up-coming Democratic convention. That would be sooooo Clinton.

    What has been so delicious to watch is the constant consternation Bill & Hill exhibited once they realized they were not longer the darlings of the dance. “It’s the most biased reporting ever!!”, he growled. Of course he said that during his impeachment crisis. I’m curious Bill, when was the coverage more biased?

    But I digress.

    The Mainstream Media has found a new narrative they like better than the guy from Hope. They have found HOPE. The Audacity of Hope. Hope itself!

    They have found Obama!

    While Hillary began to win more and more states, Obama kept winning more and more delegates because of the funky distribution system of the delegates. (Never mind that Florida and Michigan voters were pretty much frozen out because they wanted to vote earlier and Central Democratic Party just couldn’t have that! If Republicans had systematically disenfranchised so many voters, there would be a meltdown of such proportions that there would be a call for jailing of decision makers (if not outright executions!) Then there are the SUPER Delegates that could over-ride the Pledge Delegates (representing lowly voters). Sometimes lowly voters don’t know best, but SUPER Delegates do!)

    And yet, Hillary’s time had come and gone. The MSM decided she wasn’t it. Obama was. MSNBC has practically become his un-paid Media Office going on and on ad nuaseum about how IT he had become.

    The crowning blow, the moment you realized that the Clinton’s time had come and gone is when Vanity Fair devoted a long article to Bill Clinton, written by Todd Purdum who is married to DeeDee Myers who just happened to be, Clinton’s first Press Secretary. (What is it about Press Secretaries that seem to be such turn coats?)

    The Clintons will always have New York. Her Senate seat that is. And possibly more depending on what kind of deal is made to keep them quiet and out of the way.

    But the Obama’s should remember, there will be a Vanity Fair article for them someday…

    P.S. Like all good scripts, Bill & Hill may be out now, but there is a sequel in the works: Chelsea.
    http://www.chron.com/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=reec&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3areecPost%3a7da63c4d-f0b9-4515-88d1-0c95aa6be3f4&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending

  268. about replacing pelosi..

    uh that would be a no on shaheen…
    unfortunately she is 4 iceburgs short of a polar meltdown.
    no hope there.

    there is this other kinda nutty liberal named golub, she wants
    bush impeached, she has produced an impeachment play, uh,
    these two are not white house material…
    sorry, they are as empty headed as bush and obama.

    but this republican woman is a business woman, with all her ducks
    in order, except, she wants strick laws on illegal aliens…
    hmmmmmm
    other than that, she’s smart as a whip…

    maybe we should have a little talk with her, and see how solid
    her platform is…
    hmmmm
    hillary supporters are real pissed at pelosi here…

  269. Birdgal
    I thought the same thing about Caroline when I heard that she was on the team to vet a VP fo Nobama. I thought weird choice and is she qualified all I heard when she came out to support him was that it was major since she did not participate in politics. DUH

  270. skmf12 ,

    It doesn’t matter who you should support… As I said, a pig is worth supporting to beat botox Pelosi. Whoever has better chance in beating her, just go for it. I doubt Pelosi can be beaten though.

  271. unseating Pelosi for Sheheen is crazy talk. Pelosi is very popular in her district, despite saying that impeachment was off the table. SF went overwhelmingly for BO, so it’s not likely many are too unhappy with her.

  272. Even if both of them are short they will be newcomers and will not be making any major decisions just following along with everyone else.

    They sound just like Pelosi to me. LOL

  273. filbertsf,

    she may be popular now, but she’ll meet her marker one day…

    Birdgal,

    don’t worry about Ted, I seriously doubt he can last until aug. He’s clinching

  274. Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday.

  275. Marie: I guess, Caroline will have the inside track, into someone with the “nobler aspirations” of the party. What a crock. I am so finished with the democratic party. It is so corrupt.

  276. the current makeup of the entire kennedy family disgusts me. They’re the truly beneficiary of affirmative action. Most of their family mmembers have no major achievement in life, his son, a drug addict, zero achievement, is now representing RI. Geez, talking about political dynasty… A bunch of walking corpses.

  277. meiyingsu Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
    Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday.

    I don’t think so. She supported BHO, so I don’t think, she is inspired by Hillary. Caroline is trying to capture her father, and camelot, which did not exist. She is chasing an illusion.

  278. the republican woman running against nancy, is named
    DANA WALSH.

    actually i heard her speak once at the central labor council, and
    as a business woman, she understood the delicate balance
    between labor and managment, and made a fair showing.

    she certainly is more earthy than ‘the that speaker b*tch*…

  279. Maybe Caroline is inspired by Hillary and she may prepare for running for the president someday

    and I look forward that day… when I will work to defeat her and end her delusion. She worked tirelessly to defeat Hillary. Karma is a bitch.

  280. Kostner: RFK’s kids are doing fairly well, and are involved in charitable work. RFK, Jr., Kathleen, and Kerry supported Hillary. So, some of the family has some brains.

  281. if Clinton is not on the ticket, I hope she will not. McCain may well choose Alaska governor Sarah. She is a very attractive candidate with lots of appealing story lines. I think she’ll bring some excitement to our old uncle McCain.

  282. they’re saying Kennedy told MA lawymakers, if he dies, he wants his seat to be transferred to his wife without condition! What a stupid stupid old man.

    These so-called ‘progressive’ male really believe their trophy wives’ only function is to extend their very existence in the secular world.
    Disgusting.

  283. let me tell you all what, we may have to go to the lions den,
    and negotiate.
    the repugs, are all talking about extending the hand of friendship.
    we are the best thing that could ever happen to them.
    they know it.
    just go on their web sites and be prepared to be welcomed. its
    a bit awkward for them and us, but its not impossible.

    lets face it, WE BOTH HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON:
    WE ARE NOT RADICAL LIBERALS…..

    that should give us all a point of references to try and work
    out what we have in common, and what we will try and
    compromise with.

    and think of it this way, they have the machine to compete against
    some of these powerful ‘obama liberal democrats’.

    dont know about you all, but i’m ready to jump into the mix,
    and see what rises to the top…

  284. kostner: he’ll probably get it. the gov. is patrick. he is an arrogant and narcissitic old man.

  285. birdgal:

    I’ve been hearing a lot about conservatives feeling split as well. But I strongly believe that the prospect of a waffles presidency will bring them out in droves to vote for McCain. The far right of the party are those that hate elitist liberals like waffles more than anything. Trust me, come November they’ll be fired up.

  286. marie3458:

    Like another blogger wrote late last night, maybe her (Caroline’s) kids will tell her who to choose this time as well. Hmmm, let me guess? Not Hillary? By naming her, he’s playing up the “Camelot” story, and ALREADY delegating his duties. Remember, he’s not a “hands on” politician. Not the CEO type. Oh no, he’s much too philosophical for that type of menial “what’s-the-most-important-job-in-the-world” sort of stuff. Haughty and arrogant, can hear the “Camelot” soundtrack right now, as he lounges around blowing smoke rings like a cheshire cat. Too busy crawling into the back of limousines and sampling Lipton and Luziane teabags, perhaps? How very thoughtful to keep Uncle Teddy occupied. Kicked his other old crazy uncle under the bus. Never seen such pandering and horse$#!+ Spineless weasel hiding behind Caroline’s skirt. Or maybe the other two “searching for a Vice-President” are BFF Maria and Oprah? Giggle, giggle. Let’s have a fv

  287. birdgal,

    I’ve been study patrick for a while. There’s even an active anti-Patrick site. Patrick is the exact model of Obama’s rise. He has been performing dismally since then. I believe he’s the reason Clinton won NH unexpectedly.

    Mark my word, Obama will lose NH, and won’t do very well in MA in Nov.

  288. filbert,

    that is probably so, but heres the deal, remember ADMINS post,
    where she talked about ‘PRIMARYING’ THEM?

    MAKE THEM RUN A PRIMARY ALL OVER AGAIN…
    make them have to come home from the kingdom and
    tell us ‘what have you done for me lately’?

    make all these tired old facelift candidates, get out here and
    work for their shit. but most important of all, send them the
    message that they are replacable.

    and you know what filbert, i like you i do, but you are a
    glass half empty kinda person…
    how do you know, if a group of pissed of liberals in san fran,
    arent pissed at the whole war thing?
    or maybe the ‘womens pac’ which is from here in san francisco
    doesnt have a growing womans movement?
    or maybe the latinos here in the mission, of which there are more
    latinos in san francisco than AA’s, might be a wee bit pissed off.
    and lets not mention the huge asian population, that came out
    in force against obama…
    then there are the lgbt who all backed hillary,
    oh and how about those bitter white folk that do live in the city?
    and you know san francisco is a union town, so they sure as hell
    went for hillary…
    oh and ofcourse filbert, there are the good old republicans…

    so you see filbert, ITS CALLED A PERFECT STORM.
    anything could happen to dear old nancys senate seat. 🙂

  289. Levon,

    Go to freeper land, a popular hardcore right wing site. McCain was extremely unpopular while other guys were still in the race while challenging him.

    In the last few months, waffles has become toxic in an unimginable way. The hatred towards Waffles has exceeded their disdain of Hillary, which is quite astonishing.

    Waffler’s vile anti-America past is the true power to unite the right. Uniter, indeed.

  290. This was over on mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com

    So there are people seriously jumping ship

    Have you seen this…UPDATE>>
    Clinton Supporters Offer To Help McCain
    04 Jun 2008 09:39 am

    Matt Burns, the spokesman for the GOP convention in St. Paul e-mails to say that the RNC’s convention office in St. Paul has received numerous telephone calls in the last few hours from people who identify themselves as Clinton supporters asking how they can help Sen. McCain.

    _____________________________________________________________________

    If you want to contact McCain go here. You can find your states information, mailing address and a phone number there.
    _____________________________________________________________________

  291. Idunn!

    Saw your name. Am sitting in the storm cellar for the 2nd time in 10 days, 3rd time in two weeks, and for the first time in months, not making calls to Hill supporters so I have time to read.

    Welcome back! though admit I haven’t read every word on here lke I used to…so you may have been back for some time. Fell asleep with my face on the keybd one night, in my bed, and knew I had to start getting real sleep.

    Anyway, maybe rest of gang will return from their toiling in the political fields. Sawostner’s name the other day.

    I have one more State Platform comittee mtng and the state convention left. Am not standing for anything at state…told one person I was so upset w/ the party I didn’t believe I could do anything more in good conscience. She agreed it would probably be best if I demurred when next nominated.

    There goes my future in the party here. What started out as a Hillary passion became a fluke became a commitment became a chore became a disallusion will end up being a failed attempt will remain a once in a lifetime memory.

    I have never witnessed women and like-minded men being treated so shabbily. And I blame Obama leadership for, if not stopping it, slyly turning a blind eye to it.

    Norma Desmond and Jim have my everlasting gratitude and admiration, not only for what FDR has done, but for what it intends to keep on doing.

    My batt is low…will send this when all clear. Already a 2-hor ongoing tornado warning. Longest I’ve ever seen around here. Based on computer doppler, it’s just stuck here, hanging out.

    Later

  292. OH ADMIN,

    I’M SORRY I CALLED YOU ‘SHE’….
    SHEESH…

    got lost for a minute…
    no disrespect intended…

  293. McCain reaches out to disgruntled Clinton supporters

    BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) – Memo to disappointed women supporters of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton: Republican John McCain wants your vote.

    McCain, the senator from Arizona who has wrapped up his party’s White House nomination, moved on Wednesday to woo women and other Clinton backers whose disappointment over her defeat by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama could cause them to switch teams.

    “I would welcome any of Senator Clinton’s supporters’ vote,” McCain told reporters in Louisiana, adding he would seek backing from people across the political spectrum.

    “I think there’s a lot of Senator Clinton’s supporters who will support me because of their belief that Senator Obama does not have the experience or the knowledge or the judgment to address this nation’s national security challenges,” McCain said.

    Sound familiar? Clinton hammered Obama for months in the Democratic presidential nominating contests about his lack of experience and gained some traction with her argument that she would be better prepared to take a late night White House call on a national emergency.

    McCain followed suit, complimenting her on Tuesday night even as he ripped into his new Democratic opponent.

    “She deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received,” McCain said of Clinton.

    “As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach.”

    The strategy could pay off. Some women supporters have said they will back McCain over Obama — despite the former first lady’s entreaties on the campaign trail not to do so.

    “I’m disappointed that Hillary didn’t make it, being a female,” said Brittany Ford, 19, a black student from Columbus, Ohio. She said she’s now looking at McCain, adding simply: “I don’t care for Obama.”

    But Debbie Moore, a Cincinnati accountant, said she would stick with the Democratic choice.

    “I started off as a Hillary supporter and ended up as a Barack supporter — but I can support either wholeheartedly,” said Moore, adding she was concerned die-hard Clinton backers would not unify behind the presumptive nominee.

    “I’m concerned Democrats will blow it this year by not unifying,” said Moore.

  294. And I hope Pelosi does lose her seat all those promises she made hasn’t done a dam thing approval rating looks just like Bush’s.

  295. kostner,

    I’ll be sure and check that site out. The right-wing radio talk shows all did the same thing too. Republicans are smart about elections. They will come together for the good of their party. They like order and organization. The Democratic? party likes chaos. I believe that waffles past relationships and lack of experience will more than likely be fatal to him come November. As much as the country doesn’t seem to like the path we are on today, the though of an unpatriotic person in the White House is not something the American people will stomach.

  296. i cannot believe hillary is endorsing obama saturday-does this mean all her delegates are forfit? all these conventions comming up like in tx-her del retention will plumet. and we worked so damned hard.

  297. Well his arrogant azz stated that he could get her supporters but he doubted that she could get his.

    I will never forget or forgive him for saying that.

    He will never get my vote.

  298. Sorry, had to come back one more time before sleep with this thought:
    If our Hillary is “not good enough” for Obama’s ticket, then she really shouldn’t campaign for him – I’m sure she wouldn’t want to risk doing harm to his campaign, after all!

  299. No she keep her delegates until the convention because she suspends her campaign like Edwards did.

  300. Levon Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
    birdgal:

    I’ve been hearing a lot about conservatives feeling split as well. But I strongly believe that the prospect of a waffles presidency will bring them out in droves to vote for McCain. The far right of the party are those that hate elitist liberals like waffles more than anything. Trust me, come November they’ll be fired up.

    ITA. BHO may be the great uniter of the Republican party. ROFL.

  301. texan4hillary, hillary will suspend her campaign which means she still controll her delegates. I hope her supporters in TX still come out in droves to support her this weekend.

  302. Hillary better get out there and get that tape.
    I am married to an obamabot I asked his azz if he had the tape would he sell it and he said

    YES

    Whatever.

    I dispise Obama

    And his Obamabot is walking on eggshells.

  303. Hillary won’t release her delegates.

    She will also not actively seek V.P. job.

    Late Tuesday evening, Reps. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), who’d supported Clinton fervently, huddled in the House chamber to discuss Clinton as vice president.

    “We talked about her future and the possibility of her becoming the next vice president,” Towns said.

    There has been much speculation as to whether Clinton staying in the race would create a rift between Democrats. Clarke, however, believes that last night, “any misgivings we [had began] to heal.”

    Clinton had a conference call with her superdelegate supporters in Congress on Wednesday afternoon. She told them the vice presidential selection was up to Obama and she wouldn’t lobby for the job. But, noted one participant, “She didn’t tell us not to.”

  304. texan4hillary Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
    i cannot believe hillary is endorsing obama saturday-does this mean all her delegates are forfit? all these conventions comming up like in tx-her del retention will plumet. and we worked so damned hard.

    Suspending her campaign, means that she holds on to her delegates.

  305. THIS IS WHY HILLARY LOST, some of her supporters did not
    have what it took to stand by her…
    they all scuttled over to obama to keep their jobs, just ask the
    supers…
    **************************************************
    But Debbie Moore, a Cincinnati accountant, said she would stick with the Democratic choice.

    “I started off as a Hillary supporter and ended up as a Barack supporter — but I can support either wholeheartedly,” said Moore, adding she was concerned die-hard Clinton backers would not unify behind the presumptive nominee.

    “I’m concerned Democrats will blow it this year by not unifying,” said Moore.
    ****************************************************

    OKAY ONCE AGAIN, lets all say this in unison okay?

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY…….
    ITS ABOUT THE THE COUNTRY, AND GOOD HONEST
    HARDWORKING AMERICANS…

    SHEESH….

  306. Alcee Hastings seems to be the woman with the balls. I truly admire her. I assume she’s in a consistuency with lots of AA voters. She’s been sticking with Hillary, and threatens not to go to convention if FL is not seated. She basically puts everything on the line. Sometimes, I wonder what’s the point for politician with ball to actually want a job in Congress. It’s a corrupt chamber.

  307. For me, it is about national security. BHO and his minions, do not cut it, and I believe, our country would be in greater danger.

  308. And blow it we will Ms. Moore, because there won’t be any unifying. Especially now that HRC congessional backers have more or less forced her to end campaign. Agree with earlier blogger in that to stay home, write in , or vote Nadar is a vote for BHO. The only option is to vote McCain. Plain and simple. Other than the Dems who stuck by her through thick and thin (Sheila, Stephanie, and others), I will also vote for Republicans over those Dems who caved to the DNC & Pelosi. They need to see what it’s like to perhaps be the best candidate, but who cares? They didn’t stand for us, so we won’t stand for them. NEXT!

  309. curiosityhasme,

    If history is of any guidance, this will shock the punditry in Nov. McGovern got the power the same way, the so-called ‘silent majority'(hardcore democrats) put Nixon on top by a landslide fashion.

  310. skmf, I’m realistic. Do you why people get upset and depressed? Because they set expectation too high “this will happen, that will happen… then it’ll all come into play.”

    I don’t play with what ifs. I don’t set myself up for disappointment when reality is staring at me in the face.

    I want to go after Obama b/c we have a great chance of defeating him.

  311. yes i know but it sure dampens the spirits of delegates and some may not show that is all friend

  312. KOSTNER,

    yeah, you’re probably right…
    everything about obama is phoney,
    even his ex-hillary supporters.

  313. texan4hillary, Nancy Pelosi and her congressional backers force her to suspend her campaign. what can she do?

  314. Joe Lieberman calls out waffles on his Iran double-speak today. Not even a day into his “nomination” and the Republicans are already framing his sorry azz…

    Sen. Joe Lieberman is calling into question Barack Obama’s judgment and experience on National Security Matters – especially on Israel, on a day when Obama delivered a speech designed to make him sound more like a hawkish Republican than the far-left appeasement liberal that he is. Lieberman differed with many of Obama’s assertions following Obama’s speech this morning:

    Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a McCain supporter, challenged Sen. Barack Obama’s judgment and experience on Israel and national security issues, following the Illinois senator’s speech this morning at the influential pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, conference in Washington. Lieberman said there was “a disconnect between some of the things [Obama] said today” and some of his past statements.

    “To be specific, I was troubled earlier in the campaign season when Sen. Obama compared Iran and other rogue and terrorist states to the Soviet Union, and minimized the threat represented by Iran. I think that’s wrong. Today he said he thought Iran represented a grave threat. I think the statement he made today was right.”

    Lieberman brought up Obama’s opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman amendment that labeled the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization, pointing out it was supported by 29 Democratic senators. The amendment passed 76-22.

    “That measure was supported by three-fourths of the Senate, including Sens. Reid, Schumer, Durbin and Clinton. Sen. Obama opposed it, saying it was saber-rattling referring to the threat of military force. If you look at the Kyl-Lieberman amendment as it was passed, it has none of that in it regarding military action. I still hope he will say that vote was a mistake and he will support that resolution.”

    Lieberman also challenged Obama’s assertions that U.S. policies have had a negative impact on Israel’s security.

    “Sen. Obama today argued American foreign policy in recent years has essentially strengthened Iran. At one point he almost seemed to suggest it helped to elect (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad and has made Israel less safe. I just disagree with that. Iran(ians) elected Ahmadinejad for their own reasons. If Israel is in danger today, it’s not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way. It’s not because of what we’ve done in Iraq, it’s because Iran is a fanatical terrorist expansionist state. Iran has a leader — and leaderships — that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.”

    Lieberman, who was close to Obama when the Illinois senator first came to Washington, opened by congratulating him on apparently securing the Democratic nomination. While they remain friendly, Obama, like many Democrats, supported Lieberman’s 2006 Democratic challenger Ned Lamont, which Lieberman certainly hasn’t forgotten. It could be one reason for Lieberman’s decision to campaign with the GOP candidate. Obviously, with McCain stepping up his rhetoric against the regime in Iran, the issue could figure prominently in the coming campaign.

  315. Alcee Hasting is a black man whom got impeached and pardoned by Bill Clinton he as very spirited guy I dont think they will be threatening him for supporting Clinton he used to be a judge before he was a rep in congress he lost his seat and got another I think that is how it went but he is a character not to be rekinded with. LOL

    I guess he has forgotted those who helped him.

  316. yeah fil,

    i dont discount your reasoning. been there.
    sometimes you learn to fight for life, instead of wait for death…

  317. Alcee has a longer memory than Richardson, and that Herman woman on the rbc I did not recognize her until the end hummmmmm boy the peeps that the Clintons gave a chance. I just dont know what to say it is unbelievable how so many peeps can turn on them.

  318. filbertsf,

    I understand where you are coming from, and I started preparing myself for this eventuality some time ago as well. But you have to cut others of us here some slack. Being 100% emotionally invested in Hillary’s fortunes is something they should be very proud of. The actions of the Democratic? party, on the other hand, is something we cannot take pride in.

    Everybody will handle this in her/his own way, we shouldn’t be judgmental of them.

  319. marie, you mean he hasn’t forgotten those who helped him, right?

    Richardson… if there’s anyone whose career and reputation I want to see demolished, he’s numero uno.

  320. Levon, this is not in reference to HRC. I was not prepared for her suspension or endorsement.

    The banter is about Pelosi’s chances of being defeated.

  321. gr8t point Levon

    This is truly a sad moment I could not sleep last night the thought of Obama as the nominee last night just really tears at you inside.

  322. Yes because they made Richardson I was so proud of James Carville and then Mary Matlin was on Imus after the Judas Remark and she took up for her husband and defended it because she thought if he could stab those people in the back then how could anyone trust him and she knew for a fact that he had lied to Bill about not endorsing she swears that the conversation took place as James said and they Her and James dont agree on too much when it comes to politics.

    So I beleived her.

  323. marie3548,

    I feel for you, I really do. I’ve been conflicted over this whole thing for a couple of months now and now exactly how you feel.

    Please try and take some solace in the fact that waffles hasn’t truly won ANYTHING yet. There’s still the matter of the general election in November.

    Remember the old saying, HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, LAUGHS BEST !!

  324. kostner Says:

    June 4th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    Hillary won’t release her delegates.

    She will also not actively seek V.P. job.

    Late Tuesday evening, Reps. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) and Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), who’d supported Clinton fervently, huddled in the House chamber to discuss Clinton as vice president.

    “We talked about her future and the possibility of her becoming the next vice president,” Towns said.

    There has been much speculation as to whether Clinton staying in the race would create a rift between Democrats. Clarke, however, believes that last night, “any misgivings we [had began] to heal.”

    Clinton had a conference call with her superdelegate supporters in Congress on Wednesday afternoon. She told them the vice presidential selection was up to Obama and she wouldn’t lobby for the job. But, noted one participant, “She didn’t tell us not to.”
    *****************************************************
    Okay, now the knifes come out….Hillary is giving us breathing room until August. We need to put a little backbone on those cowardly SUPERDELEGATES that has ABANDON HILLARY by cleaning house and letting some elites know they are expendable.

    Nancy Pelosi HAS BEEN A MAJOR DISAPOINTMENT and a WEAK AZZ LEADER….SHE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!

    THAT LOSER JOHN KERRY…HE HAS GOT TO GO! Now lets see him invite OBAMA to campaign for him in MA this fall since TEAM OBAMA said they DON’T need HILLARY SUPPORTERS TO Help the Ticket.

  325. See I told you Alcee is a trooper they wont phuck with him he can definitely hold his own and like I said before he doesnt forget.

    I am proud of Alcee Hastings for standing by Senator Clinton.

  326. We all have a surrogate Hillary now, and his name is John McCain 🙂

    I’ll be rooting for him in the debates, complete with fist pumping and yelling at the TV every time he makes waffles look like the incompetent amateur he is. It will look like I’m rooting for McCain, but in reality all that emotion will be coming out for Hillary. Every time I donate to him, it will really be a donation for Hillary. Every time I post pro-McCain comments, they will be for Hillary. And when I finally vote in NOvember for McCain, it will be my vote for Hillary.

  327. It is a shame that Arlen Spector wants to hold hearing on how they took delegates from Hillary and gave them to Obama he considers that an outrage and was stating the right to vote admendment and so forth.

  328. marie3548,

    Right on! Lets see, that must make you about… aw heck, I won’t even guess 🙂 I’m a 45 year old male, and I’m old enough to have used that phrase more than a few times 🙂

  329. kostner:

    Right about the Nixon thing. Pretty bad when “tricky Dick” was able to turn around years later beating McGovern after Nixon lost to Kennedy in ’60. In ’64, Johnson (not too long after JFK assasination) whipped Goldwater in landslide. Seesaws tip back and forth. Although many think this election will be very tight like the past two Presidential elections, I predict McCain will beat Obama by a significant margin, probably not a landslide – but not a squeaker. BHO still has that closet full of shoes to drop which will continue to drive up his negatives and ensure that the typical white people, blue-collar workers clinging to their guns and faith to vote McCain, not to mention millions of disenfranchised women, Latinos (who like McCain anyway) and Asian-Americans. Overheard physicians discussing last week, and their unanimous opinions were that McCain will blow him out of the water. True, they’re all Republicans, but indicated that conservatives will turn out in droves to keep out the most dangerous person to our national security from securing the Oval Office. They also seemed to think that, just like the DNC and Pelosi had the “fix” in for BHO, the fact that a Republican administration is still officially in charge bodes well for their own “fix” if it comes down to it. Very interesting in listening to how the other side (Republicans) interpret the very same set of facts and information. Like listening to a “roving” Rove.

  330. The Country of KENYA need to send a arrest warrant for DICK MORRIS for his involvment in their elections that cause all those deaths. It was Dick Morris Idea for that march and he is a accomplish to all those murdered people.

  331. 53 even though a woman never tells

    I have to go it is raining and lighting

    have a good nite all

  332. marie3548,

    Was his past really shady? I can stand a corrupt guy who’s intelligent but fiercely loyal. You have to have balls as a politician under pressure.

  333. curiosityhasme,

    I feel the same way about the election outcome. I’m cautiously optimistic. It won’t be a blowout, but it will be a sold margin I think. waffles past associations and demonstrated lack of judgment and experience will be his downfall. The Republicans will make damn sure that the country know exactly what they would be getting with waffles as POTUS.

    If this were just a normal election year, and not such a bad environment for Republicans in general, McCain would win in a blowout. The economy and unfavorable war will make this just a good solid GOP victory.

  334. The Villareal brothers have a very interesting perspective –
    1. VP
    2. go Independent
    3. BE MCCAIN’S RUNNING MATE

    http://www.villarrealsports.com

    I support the McCain/Clinton ticket. It has so many more advantages:
    -bipartisanship
    -Clinton would “help” with the war problem; Clinton could possibly get her health care [that my family so desperately need]
    -the scenario may be that Hillary is VP four years, and POTUS for 8 years.
    -our beloved Hillary would be paired up with an honorable person; and would flourish

    What I want is for Obama to ask Hillary to be President, otherwise we will use the hell out of “his lack of foresight and judgment” once again. However, IMHO she should REJECT the offer; but if did not offier it she should be so cool in promoting him that she would be ineffective. Hillary and Bill would be abused if she were his VP. I do not want that.

    I wonder if Independent may be too late to set up; and costly, whereas, if she ran with REB/IND ticket there should not be much cost.

    I have also enjoyed reading and posting on TM, but asked to be removed as a Marshan when she said that…a lot of things have happened in the last couple of days….I took that to mean one of two different things. Either she was bought out or strongarmed. Then the floodgates of trolls were opened and it was not pretty. I hope trolls are ejected from here.

    See a lot of friends from other arenas here.

  335. do physicians tend to be republicans? even they’re physicians, i’d like to believe they’re rockfeller type, only care about money, but pretty moderate on social issues. If they can’t stand bambi and decide to turn out, well, we’ll see.

  336. Isn’t it arrogant and dismissive, for the BHO campaign and his supporters, to say, that they do not need Hillary supporters? We are 18 million strong, and this has been one of the closest primaries, ever. I don’t think, they will be able to register enough new voters to cover for us. Unless, they start registering dead people, which I would not put past them.

  337. Admin,
    I read my posts and can not believe the typos – anyway to get a spellchecker onsite?

  338. ShortTermer:

    I get my words underlined in RED if they are misspelled. If you’re missing an ‘s’ or something on a word that is otherwise legit, it won’t catch that though.

  339. Al Hunt, married to Judy Whats hername on PBS’ Jim Lehrer, is being a total pri*k on Charlie Rose tonight. He is editor at Bloomberg News.

    I am hating them all right now.

  340. ShortTermer,

    visit ‘noquarter’… Taylor Marsh needs money, there’s no doubt. It was Hillary supporters bailed her out during primary season as she indicated in that latest Washington Post article.

    I think she’s backed by some labour unions financially, so she HAS to support bambi. No quarter has become a very good alternative. Taylor Marsh’s coffer will soon dry up unless she starts to kiss bambi’s ass. She has a niche market tailored for Clinton supporters. When we fly, she just becomes dailykos 2.0, there’s no need for obamabots to hang around there.

  341. Connie Schultz, partner of Sherwood Brown is being decent, as is Mark Halprin. Being smart about vp choice.

  342. Levon:

    The BIG fly in the oinment about the election is the Big Media propoganda, however. With the exception of FOX News, MSNBC and CNN will aid and abeit just like we’ve seen, in telling anyone that tunes in that BHO has a commanding lead, understanding of the issues, blah, blah, blah. So…that’s what may keep this too close for comfort. However, it is imperative that WE ALL stay storon, connected, and COMMITTED in assuring that BHO is not elected. The horrendous treatment of Hillary (and Bill) Clinton will continue to motivate un day in and day out until we watch the election returns that evening showing McCain winning all of the “must win” and swing states. THEN, we pivot in unison preparing for Hillary in 2012, and keep the Webbs and Warners at bay. We must stay united. Hell hath no fury like a woman’s revenge.

  343. birdgal,

    I think ‘arrogant and dismissive’ is an understatement! 15% of Dems voting for McCain in the general would be fatal to waffles. I think the only place he will significantly increase voter registration is among AA’s, but even there it will be limited. AA’s only make up about 11% of the population in this country. I think Republican turnout will be greater this year than it was last time, which would make it a new record. Democratic turnout could very well be suppressed a bit due to a large defection of Hillary supporters.

  344. curiosityhasme,

    You are preaching to the choir 🙂 I’ve got the same exact thoughts as you. It’s up to Hillary supporters to stay committed to NOT supporting waffles. If they do that in large enough numbers, then 2012 will be looking good for Hillary.

  345. Per No Quarter

    Patrick Fitzgerald Issues Obama A Warning

    .S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said the verdict represented “an antidote to the poison of corruption” that trial testimony alleged included the fixing of state boards that controlled a $40 billion pension fund and made major decisions about million-dollar hospital construction.

    He expressed hope it would have an effect on Illinois politicians.

    “If morals don’t get to them, I hope the fear of going to jail does,” Fitzgerald told reporters.

  346. What I want to know is how my Arab ER Doctor last night knew Hillary would be conceding over the weekend? He knew every step. How can this be? I tell you I think BO is a middle east terrorist plant! This Dr. is from Lebanon!

    I am scared for this country, I truly am!

  347. By the way, I’m looking for some good John McCain sites equivalent to this one for Hillary. Can anyone here recommend any (besides John McCain’s official site)?

    Thanks!

  348. Levon: I know, an understatement, but it is getting late. It is vile, vitrolic, hatred, and abusive.

  349. confloyd: from some of the postings on TM and here, I think, the pundits were saying this. I don’t think, that doc had an inside track.

  350. WASHINGTON — Now that Barack Obama has secured the Democratic presidential nomination, I am thinking a lot about Bob Dole. Admittedly, this is one heck of a free association.

    It seems impossible for the mind’s eye to conjure up the image of the stodgy, former Senate Republican leader and consummate Washington insider while watching the young, charismatic outsider Obama bring his audiences to an emotional frenzy, as he did on Tuesday night when he clinched the 2008 nomination.

    My thoughts turn to Dole not because he and Obama have much in common, though both served in the U.S. Senate, and both have Kansas roots. My mind wanders because one of Dole’s most likable qualities was his habit on the campaign trail of closing each and every speech the same way: “I ask for your vote.” This was the punch line to a story Dole would tell about a woman he’d known for years who revealed in a casual conversation that she’d not cast her ballot for him in one of his early campaigns. And why not? Because, the woman told Dole, he didn’t ask.

    The question for Obama now is not whether he will ask for the votes of Democrats who failed to support him in the primaries — that is, roughly half the 35 million people who cast ballots. I am assuming he will. The puzzlement is whether he understands that one reason these voters remain so cool to his candidacy is that as yet, he has never really asked for their votes — and at times has been downright dismissive of them.

    Since the Iowa caucuses and more strikingly, since the New Hampshire primary, the clarity of Obama’s problem attracting white, working-class voters has been apparent. It glared out from the exit polls before anyone had ever accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of playing racial politics; before the media narrative had taken hold that whites who voted for Clinton did so because of race; before Americans had ever heard about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The pattern was evident long before Obama was caught describing these voters as “bitter,” and therefore clinging to guns, religion and an antipathy to people unlike themselves.

    The contours of Obama’s coalition even as the primaries closed — indeed, the foundation of his strategy for securing the nomination — was to stitch together the votes of enough college students and upscale, liberal activists with those of African-Americans to win the prize without the lunch-bucket crowd. This is why caucuses were crucial to building Obama’s delegate tally and why Clinton’s victories in big swing states, particularly in the Rust Belt, would not be enough.

    But now Obama confronts this problem: These voters will have the final word on who will be elected president in November. “If you track blue-collar whites basically since 1980, they bounce all over the place,” says Mike Lux, a longtime Democratic strategist who supports Obama. “They’re the biggest swing group in the electorate.”

    It is true in congressional elections as well as in presidential years. When voters who lack a college degree — a rough definition of the working class — vote Democratic, Democrats tend to win. When they don’t do so in great enough numbers, Democrats lose.

    Obama still does not seem to speak their language, nor, toward the tail end of the primary season, did he seek to speak with them at all. His campaign plane barely touched down in West Virginia and Kentucky, where he ceded both states to Clinton. Why the snub? On Tuesday night, Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, was touting the emergence of a changing Democratic Party chock-full of new voters. But why convey, even inadvertently, such dismissiveness toward the old?

    This is the sort of slight Clinton may have had in mind when she riffed on Tuesday night about “what does Hillary want?” One of the items on her list: “I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible.”

    Obama’s own election-night speech was beautiful in its cadence, mesmerizing as political theater. Bob Dole, you can be certain, could never have delivered it. Still, the blue-collar and middle-class voters Obama needs to lift him to the White House aren’t much interested in joining a movement. They want their meat-and-potatoes concerns to be met.

    Obama now must earn their votes. He also needs to steal Dole’s best line — and finally ask for them.

  351. birdgal,

    You’re right, it is very late. But you were right, the waffles campaign has been arrogant and dismissive of Hillary for nearly the entire campaign. He will never get my vote.

  352. Listen to What Kral Rove is saying:

    Politics has become hi-tech with sophisticated databases, the Internet, TV ads, focus groups and polls.

    But a lanky Sangamon County, Ill., lawyer described the essential task of politics in 1840 in a letter to his Whig campaign committee. Make a list of the voters, he wrote, ascertain for whom they will vote, have undecided voters talked to by someone they hold in confidence, and, on Election Day, get all Whig voters to the polls.

    Abraham Lincoln was a great president, but he was also a very practical politician. And Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama would be wise to take his advice. In a close election, organization matters a lot.

    Mr. Obama’s background as a community organizer makes him comfortable with organizing. His supporters are demonstrating great energy and enthusiasm. Many are Internet savvy, making communicating with them inexpensive and fast. The long primary season has given Mr. Obama’s team time to grow, test and learn. Left-wing groups like the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) and unions are already actively registering new Democrats in battleground states. And Democrats now have a single national voter database, albeit more than a decade after the GOP built its own database.

    However, Mr. Obama could repeat a big mistake Howard Dean made in 2004 when he had college students call on voters with whom they shared little. This violated Lincoln’s rule.

    Mr. Obama has a serious problem with some traditional Democratic voters. He consistently lost blue-collar households in the primaries. A recent Pew poll shows him slipping among white women (down eight points over the past month) and voters without a college degree (down seven points). Mr. Obama’s support among Latino voters was a tepid 34% in the 13 primary contests with an appreciable number of Hispanics. He carried a majority of the Hispanic vote in only one state – his home state of Illinois, which he won by the slim margin of 50%-49%.

    Mr. Obama also can’t count on his voter-registration strength. His allies Acorn and the NAACP pay a bounty for each new voter registered, so their workers often register people who don’t exist or who are already registered.

    Mr. McCain’s strengths start with him doing better among Independents and Democrats than any other Republican. Three times as many Democrats say they will cross party lines to vote for him than Republicans who say they will support Mr. Obama, a recent Newsweek poll found. Mr. McCain is also winning 41% of Hispanic voters, according to a recent Gallup poll. And while he still needs to win over working class voters (especially Catholics) and older white women, the openings are there.

    Mr. McCain has a superior tool available to him – the GOP’s Victory Committee, with its 72-Hour program that uses sophisticated targeting and vast numbers of volunteers to focus on Lincoln’s four tasks.

    In 2004, the Victory Committee proved its value when the Democrats far outspent the GOP, but still failed to beat Republican turnout. Fueled by George Soros’s money, Democratic 527s (independent political groups) along with the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry’s campaign spent a combined $121 million more than Republicans. Yet the GOP registered more voters and identified persuadable households better than Democrats, and got 12 million more Bush voters to the polls than in 2000. Democratic dollars were no match for the Victory Program’s “microtargeted” database and detailed planning.

    On the debit side, Mr. McCain hasn’t historically valued organization, dismissing its tedious requirements as unnecessary. Mr. McCain also has an “enthusiasm deficit” with grassroots GOP activists who work the phones, walk the neighborhoods and register the voters. And he has no grassroots groups to match the Democrats, outside of the National Rifle Association and Right to Life. Mr. McCain will have to build coalitions of veterans, Catholics, Latinos, small business people, evangelicals and women in key states to close the enthusiasm gap.

    There’s time, but not much time, for both candidates to build effective organizations. Public interest is likely to wane in the coming months and then pick up with a bang at the end of August. The candidates will need to have their structures in place before then.

    So how are the candidates doing in building their organizations? I had a colleague call the parties’ headquarters in 12 battleground states to ask who the Obama and McCain state chairmen were. Mr. Obama has four states with a chairman and eight without. Mr. McCain has nine states with chairmen and three without. Having a state chairman doesn’t automatically translate into an effective organization, but having one is an essential early step.

    Mr. McCain has many obstacles to overcome this year, including a political environment that favors Democrats. Mr. Obama is stumbling across the primary finish line barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, and faces big problems in uniting his party. Organization could provide the winning margin in the fall.

  353. kostner, good article.

    The problem waffles has is that the GOP will define him as out of touch, unpatriotic, unexperienced, and downright dangerous for the country. And they’ve got plenty of ammunition to work with. Ammunition that he’s provided through his own words, actions and associations.

    Blue-collar white voters are not inclined to vote for waffles because they rightly feel he does not understand them or represent their interests. The democrats lost with a bonafide war Hero in John Kerry 4 years ago. Why? Because the GOP successfully defined him as an unpatriotic elitist liberal. Sound familiar to anyone? It should, it’s been the Democratic? parties recipe for failure time and time again.

    The political landscape is more hospitable to the Democrats this election cycle, but I don’t believe it will be enough to offset the huge liabilities waffles has with ‘middle America.’

  354. confloyd:

    Sleeper cell. Anti-Christ. Operation Board Game members include high-ranking Repubs and Dems needing cover, pardons at the very least. All the above. Will be an even much better movie than “The Firm.” Imagine hundreds jumping out of windows.

    Patrick Fitzgerald hopefully has all flavors of birdseed, just for warbling banditinmates like Rezko, eager to play “Let’s Make a Deal.”

    And speaking of physicians and hospitals, IMHO this “conflict of interest” re: BHO and MO and the hospital industry is the primary reason he is not for Universal Coverage for ALL Americans. He has been the agent of change for sure. He has acted as the ATM bandit, holding up the Federal Government for millions to hand over to his backers, each party paying the other off. Sort of like the biggest check kiting scheme ever. Following these paper trails and electronic transactions must look like a dozen mice trying to get out of a maze. The thing is – much of these monies BHO obtained appeared to be legit, but then when the paybacks and payoffs seem to pass through the same hands or to eventually create fraudulent fronts, you can’t lose sight of the fact that THIS MONEY BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS, and how could he NOT KNOW this was occurring? Again JUDGEMENT! Theft is more like it. Talk about making us all look like fools. Using the public trust to finance the Chicago Combine – the Chicago Middle Eastern Mob. Like Elliott Ness and the Untouchables, Patrick Fitzgerald has to keep at it until the bitter end. HURRY UP PATRICK.

  355. Kostner, I don’t think Obama will ask for our vote, we are not good enough for him. He has a huge ego and will not ask, he believes he is entitled to our votes! He never apologizes either! The lastest smear he and his campaign did to poor BC, that was underhanded! He released a bunch of lies about BC to the SD’s to sway their votes! They did not want to go thru 8 years of BC’s sexcapades again and Obama put the fear in them again! That is unforgiveable!

  356. Bob Novak’s gossipy article, excerpt:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Just when it seemed on the last Tuesday of the presidential primary season that Hillary Clinton would bow to the inevitable, she enraged Democrats who expected her to start strengthening Barack Obama as nominee. During a conference call between Clinton and New York members of Congress, Rep. Nydia Velazquez suggested that only an Obama-Clinton ticket could secure the Hispanic vote. “I am open to it,” Clinton replied, according to several sources.

    That message, promptly made public, infuriated Democratic activists outside the Clinton camp. Clinton was horning in on the climax to Obama’s amazing political feat. Worse yet, she was going public on a vice presidential bid she knows Obama does not want to offer. Talking about an unlikely dream ticket further slows the party unification process that Clinton’s critics say comes two months too late because of her.

    She showed that her exchange with Velazquez was no aberration by not delivering a concession speech Tuesday night. Her extraordinary bid for vice president is a new provocation by Hillary Clinton, keeping with her repeated insistence that she is electable — an implication that Obama is not.

    The backing for Clinton’s attitude can be seen in my personal encounter early Tuesday morning. I bumped into a septuagenarian former congresswoman who was a staunch Clinton supporter. She told me she awakened that morning with the realization her candidate would not be nominated. Well known as a no-nonsense politician, now she showed another side: “I cried, really cried. We came so close — so close.”

    Tears were shed that night by lower-income, less-educated women, but also by accomplished older professionals, such as this former congresswoman. They see Clinton as the culmination of their long struggle, with triumph snatched away by an untried, untested newcomer. They complain that, thanks to the Democratic Party’s baroque procedures in picking a presidential nominee, Clinton has been defeated though she collected more popular votes than Obama and won most battleground states.

    This resentment is reflected in a nationwide private poll this month by McLaughlin Associates, which usually works for Republican clients but is not connected with the McCain campaign. Polltaker John McLaughlin found a 49 percent to 38 percent edge by McCain over Obama among all women. That is an extraordinary result, running counter to a longtime Democratic advantage.

    The conventional wisdom is that women, along with other Clinton backers, will be in the Democratic camp once Clinton actually concedes. But seasoned operatives for both presidential candidates privately advise that the length and closeness of the Democratic race make reconciliation much more difficult because Clinton did not leave the race once there was no clear path to the nomination for her.

    Clinton backers who will now declare full support of the nominee in public take a different position when promised that their names will not be used. They frankly question whether Obama should be president. I asked one Democrat, a longtime political worker and sometime candidate for public office, whether he actually would vote for Obama. He paused, then replied: “Let me put it this way. I would sleep better if John McCain was president.”

    That is the atmosphere in which Clinton has now offered herself for the vice presidency. One of her supporters, prominent in Democratic politics for nearly half a century, saw the handwriting on the wall several weeks ago and approached Obama agents to suggest a unity ticket. “There was absolutely no interest — none at all,” he told me. “They wanted no part of it.”

    Washington lawyer Lanny Davis, an indefatigable advocate for Bill and Hillary Clinton over the years, on his own wrote Obama Tuesday night urging him “to select Sen. Clinton in recognition of the more than 17 million Democrats who supported her at the polls.” Davis also talked about a petition drive to promote that goal. The Obama camp’s response was not positive.

    When I asked yesterday (Wednesday) a longtime friend of the Clintons who has been neutral in the presidential race what he thought of her performance Tuesday night, he declined to answer and suggested “we should watch what she says in the next 40 to 48 hours.” He surely would not welcome more pressure, trying to force herself onto the national ticket

  357. marie3548 Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:22 am
    But there were supposed to be some old heads in the party who really dont want Obama.
    ==========================

    Early in May there were some SDs who didn’t care about popularity etc and were waiting till the last minute to choose the most electable. Most of them wouldn’t give their names to the reporter either. I expected most of them would break for Hillary.

    I don’t know what has become of them. Of course if they did declare for Obama to get out of the heat, they can still change their minds in August.

    The quotes I saw are posted at my
    http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm

  358. djia

    We have all been busy I know. I mentioned before where I live and have since been battered by BO bots, so will only say at this point that you, Hawk and I form an almost perfect triangle within the state’s lines.

  359. Curiosityhasme, Did you hear that Rezko turned himself in to begin serving his sentence now. My take on that is he was scared to be on the outside. I think its a matter of protection!
    People in Chicago wind up dead alot, don’t you think??

  360. confloyd,

    I don’t believe those gestures matter to us. At least for me, Obama was unacceptable from day one. The first impression was that he’d be a disasterous Geroge W. Bush III, arrogant, empty suit, stupid, the only difference is that he’s vile un-American terrorist sympathizer. Everythin has panned out later on.

    The real question is how many ‘soft’ anti-Obama primary voters will hold on, that’s going to be key to McCain’s victory. McCain’s task is not easy. He has a toxic environment, the right is not enthusiastic about him, he has not shown much effort to woo them. McCain is in a hot spot…

  361. Well, I hurt my back at work this week and am bed bound for a week. I am going back to bed now, you all have a great day tomorrow and I will check back in to see how things are going!

  362. confloyd:

    Sure do. Larry Sinclair’s website indicates that Donald Young (murdered twenty-year choir director at TUCC on Christmas Eve) family members have been cooperating with Chicago PD (Fitzgerald?) about the Larry Sinclair conversations with Young leading up to his death and have suspicions about BHO and Wright’s possible connection and motives in his death. Two other gay AA men also were murdered in a close time frame within the same circles. Hit jobs, I would say. Rezko was out for a short time, and it is interesting that he would stay locked up rather than stay with his family until September. As discounted as he may be by the Obamabots and Big Media, Sinclair has gained respect and the ear of many as of late. Also, Pastor Manning from Harlem, although abrasive in his condemnation of BHO, also states he has disturbing information concerning BHO’s lifestyle, not in keeping with who he pretends to be. Manning is in a position to gain this inside information. They are both out on a limb for publicly speaking out about the sham that is BHO and I support their efforts, not laughing them off for a minute. More shoes to fall. So Rezko is wise to stay protected, and hopefully will begin to warble sooner rather than later. The witness protection program would probably include a really good plastic surgeon in this particular case.

  363. Hello, figure skating fans! I post on FSU also (as some of you already know). But I post under my real, full name there. Can’t do that here, for obvious reasons.

    The Detroit Red Wings won the Stanley Cup!!! Finally, something good happens around here.

    Rezko… Wow, I didn’t think he’d get convicted. I thought the jury was fixed for him. I hope the Repubs have lots of fun playing with this one. Looks like they’ve already started.

    Hillary… Is there any way she can “support” or “endorse” Obama without officially conceding? I expect she will choose her words carefully. I also wonder if this deal with the Party was made before the Rezko verdict? Logically, one would think that the Dems wouldn’t want to brush Hillary off so quickly now that Obama’s pal Rezko is going to the Big House. But then again, we’re talking about the Democrats here and it would knock me out of my chair if I read that they actually did anything intelligent, sane, or reasonable.

    The Democrats… I’m glad I’ve always been an independent. Y’all can actually thank Jimmy Carter for that. I was in elementary school during his presidency, but even back then I knew he was spineless. The Democratic candidates in 1984 and 1988 did nothing to enhance the party’s image as far as I was concerned. But Michigan had Jim Blanchard, who helped one of my family members back when he was in Congress. There were some others on the local and state levels who were pretty decent as well. So I guess my childhood impression that there are good Democrats and bad Democrats stayed with me into adulthood. And yes, I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. But I was never a loyal, card-carrying Democrat. I have voted Republican on occasion. I’ve voted for 3rd party candidates as well. However, I can appreciate the loss that you loyal Dems are feeling right now. The Party DID betray us when they betrayed Hillary. I always hoped they were better than that, but they’re not. I am also VERY pissed at my state Democrats who got us into this early primary mess to begin with, and if I see any of their names on a ballot in November or at any other time I will not vote for them. If this Party can/should be saved, the only way to do it is to get rid of all the bad apples, one by one. It looks like the good people in Massachusetts have already begun this process, and I salute them.

    Caroline Kennedy… What has she ever actually done that makes her qualified to pick someone to manage her local McDonald’s, much less a vice president?

  364. Clinton supporters jump on Obama bandwagon

    Some of Hillary Clinton’s strongest backers in Congress are planning ways to bring their constituents in South Florida on board the Barack Obama bandwagon.

    Kendrick Meek“Sen. Clinton has a lot of support in Florida, and we have to turn that around and get it going for the nominee,’’ said Congressman Kendrick Meek, who has been stumping for months for Clinton alongside her husband Bill.
    “Now it’s about the voters and trying to carry Florida,’’ he said.

    Meek, a Democrat from Miami, plans to huddle today with fellow Clinton supporters from Florida to plan their strategy for helping Obama win the state.

    The meeting will include House members Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston, a national co-chairwoman of the Clinton campaign; Alcee Hastings of Miramar; and Corrine Brown of Jacksonville.

    Meek said he and other Democrats will call attention to the differences between Obama and Republican candidate John McCain while stressing the importance of party unity.

    Many of his constituents are disappointed by Clinton’s defeat in the nomination race and still angry that the party punished Florida for holding an early primary.

    “The leaders can endorse a candidate,’’ Meek says. “The question is how to transfer that to the average Clinton voter.’’

    Meek believes they are persuadable. “Those who have supported Hillary Clinton were not against Barack,’’ he said.

    At countless events in primary states, Meek introduced Bill Clinton to crowds of voters and remained loyal to the Clintons even when Obama began to win a majority of delegates. “Just because someone has a hard time doesn’t mean you bail out on her,’’ he said.

    “I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Obama. I feel he will make a great president. Obviously he has the delegate votes.’’

    weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/2008/06/clinton_supporters_jump_on_oba_1.html

  365. Those Democrats for McCain in Florida need to start hitting the floor running while Hillary Clinton supporters are still angry.

    The Obama propaganda machine MSM will play UNITE THE PARTY behind Obama but the rot is still in the meat and no matter who much you wash the meat it’s still rotten.

  366. carbynew ,

    Meek believes they are persuadable. “Those who have supported Hillary Clinton were not against Barack,’’ he said…

    Clueless. In the early days, that might be the case, in later primaries, I believe those who supported Clinton were truly against Obama… Exit polls from OH/PA/WV/IN/KY/NC are showing a good chunk of them won’t touch bambi…

    payback is bitch in November…

  367. MARK HALPERIN ON CHARLIE ROSE

    Halperin: They’ve got to make some real decisions about Ohio, Florida, and Michigan.

    Rose: What is it they have to do to win them ?

    Halperin: They have to win enough White votes in those states to win the electoral votes.

    Rose: And how do they win the White votes ?

    Halperin: I don’t know the answer to that.

    Well, isn’t that special ?

  368. carbynew,

    the msm will have a rude wakening in Nov. I truly believe many Hillary supporters have been hardened in key swing states. After countless free propaganda on behalf of waffles and breathless ‘polls’ showing he’s closing the gap, he still lost to Clinton by big margin in key swing states.

    I tell you, these folks, especially women are stubborn, they will not forgive DNC and bambi coming into Nov.

  369. Caroline authors books(?) holds art degree (docent) and is what I would call a shy showpony. She has absolutely no credentials whatsoever in selecting the Vice-President and all Democrats should be outraged, I don’t care if she IS the daughter of JFK and Jackie O.

    When she endorsed him, any invoked her father’s name, Camelot ended right then and there for me (if it ever existed). The fact that she went on and on about her father rather than her MOTHER, a FORMER FIRST LADY LIKE HILLARY spoke volumes about how much she appreciated her mother. Very damn little. So, Caroline Kennedy is now like anybody else on the street to me. As is Maria Shriver, who campaigned for her hubby at her “surprise” appearance alongside BFF Oprah at the stadium as well. Disgusting. Really can’t watch this whole lovefest charade play out. Like Ann Coulter said – he wasn’t “elected”, he was “selected” – as the “fix” was in. His candidacy is ILLEGITIMATE. The only ones I care about – and I mean a lot are Kathleen and Bobby. Workhorses vs showponies. Heavyweights vs lightweights. It was NBC that Maria worked for, remember?

  370. Joe Friday, thanks for that post. I’ve corrected the answer to the 3rd question below:

    MARK HALPERIN ON CHARLIE ROSE

    Halperin: They’ve got to make some real decisions about Ohio, Florida, and Michigan.

    Rose: What is it they have to do to win them ?

    Halperin: They have to win enough White votes in those states to win the electoral votes.

    Rose: And how do they win the White votes ?

    Halperin: Nominate Hillary Clinton in August.

  371. I find it interesting that the media is saying Hillary is conceding her delegates to Obama on Saturday.

  372. It’s still true that Hillary’s chances to become president rest squarely on the shoulders of her supporters in 2008 even though she’s not running. Voting for McCain in 2008 will give Hillary a good shot at 2012. Her supporters will get the chance to do this all over again in 4 years, and we’ll all be vindicated and the champagne will flow.

    I love how that story ends!

  373. Obama: “I’m saddened by today’s verdict. This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.”

    No, Senator Obama. It once again shines a spotlight on your lack of judgement and apparent ignorance as to what is going on around you. Just what I am looking for in a President……. Drop out now.

  374. hi hillfans. i just got home from work. i am still taking in hillary ending her run and reported endorsing of obama. she is a wonderful lady.i joined this blog nearly a year ago. i hope in some way admin can keep this blog going. maybe hillaryis45? you guys are the best!

  375. Why does Dean, Pelosi and Reid think it is so important for SD’s to announce who they support before Friday? I thought they have all said Obama is the nominee, so why is it so urgent that they announce who they support by Friday?

  376. rjk1957,

    That’s becoming a pattern of his. Every time one of the ghosts from his past catches up with him, he claims that they have somehow become unrecognizable to him. I got a news flash for you. They are the same, you’re the one singing a different tune waffles.

    I think this would be a good idea for a video. Have him repeating basically the same thing about Wright, Ayers, Phleger and now Rezko.

  377. rjk1957,

    I think it’s because they want to be able to fully reinstate Michigan and Florida delegates. If all the delegates move to Obama, the math will be such that Hillary won’t win regardless of 100% reinstatement.

    They know their decision on Saturday was bogus, and want to wipe that stain off the table as fast as possible.

    This is what angers me the most about the whole situation. I wish Hillary would stand up against the Michigan decision. I think she has solid grounds for contesting it.

  378. Levon,

    That’s exactly what I had originally typed. But given how Bambi’s camp was always going on about how they would expand the electoral map, how apropos that they now don’t even have a plan to win Ohio, Michigan, and Florida, not to mention Pennsylvania.

  379. Joe Friday,

    You’re right. At first the rhetoric was how he was going to expand the map. Win over conservatives and moderate independents. How a slim margin in the general would just not be good enough.

    Now the Democratic? party is just trying to figure out how to get JUST 90% of it’s base back, and how to hold on to some key Democratic? states like New Jersey, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and MAYBE win a few of smaller red states like Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico.

  380. levon, wtf kind of garbage is that if they turn around after all that bs last weekend to give michigan and florida full voting power? it would be a slap in the face to hillary and her supporters if they pulled that number.

  381. where did u read hillary is releasing her delegates. that would leave us totally f-cked.

  382. sonia: Hillary may suspend her campaign, she can even endorse Obama but she must not concede because if she does that she is out of the race, he gets all her delegates, and all that she has worked for these past 16 months is lost. Obama is the one who wants her to concede and the proper to that question is hell no.

  383. terrondt,

    I agree, it would be a total injustice. I think that’s what they are trying to do. Wexler mentioned that he would try and get waffles to reinstate the full delegations of Florida and Michigan at the convention, and I’m sure that it will happen at that point. But I’m beginning to think they might make it happen sooner. I wouldn’t put it past them, would you? I haven’t read this from any source, I was just thinking about this last night and was wondering if maybe that is what they were up to.

  384. texan4hillary – I doubt that she will release her delegates. I really doubt it. Remember how between primaries,or debates where clearly the people favored her and she would win, we all get worked up because of the media’s misleading propaganda. Well, now without this race, now with less communication with the campaign, the media’s doing their smoke and mirrors again.

    As Hillary said today on a conference call, joking that she would like to be a journalist: “you can say anything, without knowing anything.”

    We have to wait for what she’s actually going to do. And the wait is unbearable…understandably.

  385. Emjay Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 12:34 am
    Al Hunt, married to Judy Whats
    ——————————————-
    hi ya emjay. how ya been. Her name is judy woodruff. Her husband is a smug knows it all who hates the Hill and Bill and has no useful place in the foodchain except to torment Bob Novak.

  386. hehe… I just signed up for John McCain’s website and donated my first $25.00. Won’t be the last time either.

  387. these fuckers should have given those states full voting power months ago. now when hillary seems to be pulling the plug and endorsing obama now they might reinstate AFTER THE FACT. assholes!

  388. i agree by suspending her campaign she can keep her pledged delegates won thru the primaries. this is not going to be those 4,000 votes to 200 type roll calls. i want hillary’s delagates counted state by state on the floor in denver.

  389. I got my fourth batch of letters to superdelegates out today one letter per week over past four weeks. I see where Joe Machin (used to be Mancini)–remember that line from Carlitos Way? He is the governor of West Virginia, promised to endorse winner of primary but after we won +41 no Mancini. Still trying to track him down.

  390. terrondt,

    I’m not ready to take that step yet, but give me a few more days and who knows ??

    It was funny though… right after I donated I was invited to shop for his stuff and I saw some shirts and coffee mugs. How funny.

  391. hillfans i will make my choice at the last minute in the voting booth this november. right now i am not a happy person. my wife decided to vote the down ballot races. no votes for president. connecticut does allow write-ins by the way.

  392. terrondt,

    remember a vote for McCain is 2 votes against waffles. One for McCain and minus one for waffles. 1 million Dems voting for McCain is equal to 2 million not voting or writing someone else in.

    Just a thought.

  393. I think this has much to do with the No.2 slot being on of their people so if BO tanks before November it isn’t an automatic for Hill;

    The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the word from the Obama camp is that a joint ticket is unlikely:
    Close supporters suggested she would like to be his running mate, on a unity ticket.
    But close advisers to Sen. Obama signaled an Obama-Clinton ticket was highly unlikely.

    People in both camps cited what several called “a deal-breaker” — Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.

  394. just got this-from hillary
    Dear —,

    I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

    On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

    I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

    When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

    I made you — and everyone who supported me — a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I’m going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

    I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

    I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

    In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

    I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  395. Blue Democrat,

    Are you saying that waffes wants, as a precondition, to VET Bill Clinton by going though his records? The HYPOCRISY of that is astounding. Here’s someone whose past would make Al Capone look like Ghandi. He won’t release all of his tax records from when he was a state senator, or the details of his legal dealings with Rezko.

    Man, that guy has no limits to his wretchedness.

  396. texan4hillary,

    Thanks for sharing that. I admire the hell out of Hillary and respect her as a politician. I hope she gets the chance to run again in 2012 if waffles doesn’t come tumbling down before the end of August.

    I’m going to do my part by supporting, donating and voting for McCain in NOvember. It’s up to us Hillary supporters to make that happen.

  397. Bill and Hillary needs to tell the O and the democratic party to shove it. Just walk away. Let the devils have it.

  398. Levon,
    That’s how they’re setting it up, yeah.

    They’re spearing the 800-lb gorilla just to be sure.

  399. Levon Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 2:58 am
    texan4hillary,

    I’m going to do my part by supporting, donating and voting for McCain in NOvember. It’s up to us Hillary supporters to make that happen.

    I will absolutly will be doing my part to get McCain elected. Lets show the Judas’s, turncoats, we can play the same game
    .

  400. texan4hillary – well, that letter makes me very sad.

    As we were discussing earlier, I’m not sure how it inspires delegates for her to stick it out to the Convention, and it is like building a sandcastle while the sand keeps sliding down. The pressure internally to either suspend or concede must’ve been enormous – must’ve been basically blackmail.

    There’s a Fox News article that explains “suspend,” and I wonder what this includes when it comes to delegate control:

    Democratic sources also have said Clinton will suspend her campaign rather than close it down entirely. By suspending her campaign, Clinton would retain nominal control of her delegates and could continue to raise money to pay off campaign debts. She also would allow late-primary states to finish up the process of electing pro-Clinton delegates to the August convention.
    ********************
    the article’s not so upbeat as is any news right now, but this is the link:

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/adviser-clinton-to-drop-out-friday/

  401. Note that Hillary is saying she will “support” Obama’s candidacy and “rally the party” behind him. The word “concede” does not appear in her message. She also doesn’t say anything about suspending her campaign, although I am guessing this is what she will do.

    BTW, is the Edwards campaign still suspended?

  402. Blue Democrat,

    Funny, but waffles would not even pass his own vetting process I’m sure. Is this a historical first? LMAO.

  403. Jen,

    I noticed that too. It would seem the pressure would have been to concede outright. If she simply suspends, then waffles can use that as another excuse not to include her on the ticket.

  404. if you all read that fox article link, Rangel, Barney Frank, Norm Dicks allegedly put alot of pressure on her to end her campaign this week because they weren’t happy about the defiance of her Tues speech. This to the popular vote winner who has won the most votes of any primary cycle ever. Unbelievable.

    I’m sure the “suspension” vs. “the concession” is also at issue. I’m aghast at how she has been treated at every turn. Kennedy, Gary Hart took it to the floor. Were they threatened at every turn?

    even more reason to vote against the Democrats in Nov. They will reap what they’ve sown.

  405. This sucks–why is she doing this? i hate these mfers and don’t want them to have teh satisfaction, She can’t stop them if they’re determined to nominate BO, but why make them happy and drop out? she gets nothing out of it.

  406. Sounds familiar?

    Developer linked to Obama guilty in fraud case

    Testimony at Rezko’s trial in federal court brought up ties between Obama and Rezko, with a witness putting Obama at Rezko’s house for a party where the guest of honor was Iraqi-British businessman Nadhmi Auchi.

    Obama has said he doesn’t recall ever meeting Auchi, who was convicted of fraud in France.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/rezko.trial/index.html

  407. CountTheVotes,

    Amen to voting against the Democratic? party. I hope that 5 months from now Hillary’s supporters will not have forgotten what she has had to endure, and deliver a message to the Democratic? party that will penetrate even their thick skulls.

  408. I received an e-mail from Hillary. I replied back letting her know i will not be supporting Obama. I cannot in good conscience support this man Please do not give my information to him. Not sure if she will be reading the reply. I will go into the contact me on her web site.

  409. wbboei Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 2:25 am
    sonia: Hillary may suspend her campaign, she can even endorse Obama but she must not concede because if she does that she is out of the race, he gets all her delegates, and all that she has worked for these past 16 months is lost.

    Hm? How can you ‘endorse’ without ‘conceding’? What’s the difference?

  410. yep im bout to puke from this. this party is insane. i wonder if mccain is launching a dems for mccain group? judging from his website tonight id say that would be very wise.

  411. gerond,

    I think Hillary wants to maintain a good standing within the party for a 2008 nomination if somehow waffles becomes COMPLETELY unelectable, or for 2012 if McCain beats his sorry butt this NOvember.

  412. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    ADMIN,

    sorry…
    i know how hard you worked, i know how much it meant to you.
    dont get yourself down k?
    you’ve got to believe. strange things happen in the universe.
    they really do, sometimes…

    i dont know why really, but i just have a feeling, i cant
    explain it really, but i dont think obama will be potus… no
    admin. it cant happen, its just not meant to be him.

    this site must have an even bigger purpose now, we have a new
    candidate to elect, and a crowd of officials to replace.
    like you’ve said, there is much work to be done.
    instead of HILLRAISERS OR HILLFANS, WE WILL BE MCFANS…

    hope you have something mind blowing for us tomorrow…

  413. Hi guys. Does this letter from Hillary mean that she will not take it to Denver any more?

    That would be a big disappointment. I wanted her to fight this out.

    Suspending the campain I can understand, but I thought that would only be to refocus, wait for how things go for Obama and making the case in Denver.

    Is she really giving up with this?

  414. I’ve got to hit the sack everyone. Appreciate all the comments as usual. And remember, stay strong Hillary supporters. Spread the word that we need to work on plan B for Hillary (2012). Do not let sympathetic Hillary supporters that you know go over to the dark side without a fight. No matter what Hillary says or does the next few months, what she REALLY WANTS is a 2012 run (if she can’t get in for 2008). Collectively, we have the power to make that happen.

    We’ll all have the last laugh in NOvember if we can stay united.

  415. neeta,

    fabulous idea,
    i will go there as well and ask to be taken off the list.
    i will tell them it is because:

    ‘I AM TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MY DEMOCRATIC AFFILIATION’
    (till after the general election to be exact…)

  416. European, i’m assuming she’ll keep her delegates so if bo implodes they can nominate her instead–but I wish she weren’t doing it. i hate to see all these %^&*() get the satisfaction. levon’s right, she’s playing it their way so she can step in IF they decide to het rid of tehm by aug–but if they don’t, THIS SUCKS! 🙂

  417. hey admin,

    can we get some new buttons? or maybe bumper stickers…

    ‘ I AM TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MY DEMOCRATIC AFFILIATION ‘
    ‘MCCAIN 08’

  418. skmf12 Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 3:44 am
    hey admin,

    can we get some new buttons? or maybe bumper stickers…

    ‘ I AM TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING MY DEMOCRATIC AFFILIATION ‘
    ‘MCCAIN 08′

    LOVE IT

  419. Hey Admin,
    Can you tell us if the blog will be around for a while, so I don’t completely lose my mind?

  420. I received an email from Hill re: supporting OBAMA. I am extremely disappointed. I unsubscribed. I thought she was going to fight for us. I thought she was going to fight for every vote. She is just like the rest of the dems. I’m done with the DNC and that includes Hillary.

  421. socal, i’m disappointed too, but honestly, clinton has been through hell. her repuatation has been trashed, her integrity has been attacked. her family has been attacked. I wish she would keep fighting, but I can’t blame her. It’s not her responsibility to keep going through hell for us when not one prominent person in this damn party has teh guts to speak teh truth.

  422. # Levon Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 3:28 am

    CountTheVotes,

    Amen to voting against the Democratic? party. I hope that 5 months from now Hillary’s supporters will not have forgotten what she has had to endure, and deliver a message to the Democratic? party that will penetrate even their thick skulls.

    **************
    That’s why we stick together – so we will never forget. I will register my disappointment with the Dem party with a vote for McCain.

  423. texan4hillary the republicans now have the high ground on vote suppression, thanks to our stupid party, go dnc

  424. I still hope it is just Hillary´s strategy. Showing willingness to unify the party and reach out to Obama supporters and be ready in August when BHO has shown all his weaknesses in Republican attacks.

  425. it is such a longtime to wait until November when Obama will lose, and we get our sad comeuppance.

    I used to love it when Clinton used to say “it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush”…well, the truth is it takes a Clinton to clean up after the weaklings in the Democratic party and lead this country back on its feet.

  426. well, European, if only she’d give us a sign. her way of wink winking to us. dust off her shoulder…whatever, so we know she’s still with us all the way.

  427. Well, it’s not like if they offer it to her she’d turn it down. 😉 the real question is what the hell would it take for our idiot SDs to wake up out of their stupor?

  428. Thanks admin (though for me it’s clearly too late:)

    It seems clear from the reports this morning that the phone call Hill received from the Congressional delegation & her NY supporters, led by Rangel, was the turning point.
    Once they signaled they’d being moving to BO she was essentially in the position of packing it in or saying in effect, “I don’t give a shit about anybody else (politically)”, as they have pressure on them to get with the program.
    So she took it to the edge and will suspend – gains an uncomfortable cease-fire with the party ‘leaders’ – all while controlling her delegates, trying to cut the best deal possible (whether that means VP or not, where above all else, BO has 18 million reasons to select her), and waiting in the wings in the event what she long predicted comes to pass.
    As best I can figure it, she risked losing becoming even the default choice had she bucked her strongest NY supporters.
    Maggie Williams, Penn, and almost certainly WJC wanted to go to Denver, as did the majority of us.
    If this was the tactical decision forced upon her, I can see why she did what she did (there’ll be more info forthecoming that’ll help us figure it out).

    Otherwise it makes ZERO sense.

  429. I just ordered a Hillary bumper sticker from her website.

    We’ll see what happens, guys, it’s a long way to August. Just buckle up and hold tight. I know we’ll be fine.

  430. NYT: For Clinton, a key group didn’t hold
    Break in supposed firewall of superdelegates turned out to be crucial

    By Katharine Q. Seelye
    The New York Times
    updated 5:27 a.m. ET, Thurs., June. 5, 2008

    By mid-March, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign knew it had a problem with what it had once assumed was a reliable firewall — its support among superdelegates.
    The fight for pledged delegates for the Democratic nomination was essentially over. Senator Barack Obama was ahead, after winning a series of caucuses in states that Mrs. Clinton virtually ignored.

    Still, it became apparent that neither he nor Mrs. Clinton could claim the presidential nomination with pledged delegates alone, and the two would need superdelegates — elected officials and party activists — to fill the gap.

    For Mrs. Clinton in particular, that signaled danger. The commanding lead she had held in superdelegates at the start of the contests — she was about 100 ahead of Mr. Obama — had dwindled by mid-March, to 12.

    And superdelegates were showing an independence that the Clinton campaign had not counted on, not quite buying her argument that she was more electable than Mr. Obama.

    The break in Mrs. Clinton’s supposed firewall turned out to be one of the most important factors in her campaign.

    “Sure, Senator Clinton was the favorite early on, but that was simply because of the institutional support that she already had,” said Jason Rae of Wisconsin, a superdelegate who endorsed Mr. Obama in February. “In the beginning, people were unsure of Senator Obama. But as they continued to see primary after primary, and him excelling, and him attracting all these new voters, I think the superdelegates really started feeling more comfortable with him.”

    Of all the assumptions the Clinton campaign made going into the race, its support among the party establishment seemed like a safe bet. Many of the superdelegates, who help pick the nominee at the convention in August, came of age during the Bill Clinton presidency. Many were personal Clinton loyalists, cultivated to help deliver the vote.

    But the Obama campaign convinced many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ will in making their endorsements. To the puzzlement and increasing frustration of the Clinton camp, few flowed her way. Her campaign never recovered from its string of losses through February. By the time she started winning again, with Ohio on March 4, her support among superdelegates hardly inched up.

    At the same time, Mr. Obama posted a small but steady increase, culminating in a flood that surged on Tuesday and helped him claim the nomination.

    In retrospect, relying on superdelegates as a firewall was flawed, said superdelegates who endorsed Mr. Obama.

    Representative David E. Price, a superdelegate from North Carolina, said the idea that Mrs. Clinton could amass enough superdelegates to overturn the verdict of pledged delegates “was never in the cards.”

    Don Fowler, a former party chairman and a superdelegate who had supported Mrs. Clinton, said as much in a memo to the campaign on March 11 predicting that at the end of the primaries Mr. Obama would have about 100 more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.

    Mr. Fowler said that “everything humanly possible should be done” to keep that number below 100, because it would be easier to persuade superdelegates that the two were essentially tied.

    The Clintons certainly tried, interviews with two dozen superdelegates found. Many said that the Clintons had intensely pressured them and that their endorsements became a test of personal loyalty, subject to a hard sell. At the same time, many said they were drawn to the Obama campaign’s excitement.

    So even during the Obama campaign’s darkest days — an eight-week stretch between Ohio and the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, during which Mr. Obama had called rural voters “bitter” and had to renounce his ties to his former pastor because of racial comments — more superdelegates were lining up with him than with her.

    The Obama campaign skillfully managed the flow. Richard Machacek, a farmer and superdelegate from Iowa, for instance, said he told the Obama campaign on a Monday, April 29, that he was endorsing Mr. Obama. The campaign waited until Tuesday afternoon, the same day that Mr. Obama held a news conference to angrily renounce Reverend Wright, to announce Mr. Machacek’s endorsement.

    “I don’t know if that was on my mind,” Mr. Machacek said of the timing. “But he needed it more then than he did before.”

    David Wilhelm, Mr. Clinton’s first chairman of the Democratic Party, endorsed Mr. Obama in mid-February because, he said, he recognized the race might come down to them and he wanted to send a message to other superdelegates that it was time to support Mr. Obama.

    Representative Ben Chandler of Kentucky, who came out for Mr. Obama on April 29, said he timed his endorsement to an “unusually critical” moment.

    Mr. Chandler made a reference to the controversial Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. “Reverend Wright’s second incarnation,” Mr. Chandler said. “I did step forward then, because I thought it would be particularly important to him at that time. They seemed to be very happy about it.”

    It was the sense among many superdelegates that they should follow the voters’ lead rather than loyalty to the Clintons that prompted many to come out on Mr. Obama’s behalf.

    Patsy Arceneaux, a National Committee member from Louisiana who had a friendship with the Clintons, was persuaded early this year to support Mrs. Clinton. But when Mr. Clinton made what she saw as racially inflammatory comments in South Carolina, Ms. Arceneaux said she developed serious misgivings about supporting Mrs. Clinton.

    After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. “You can’t imagine how stressful this has been,” Ms. Arceneaux said. “It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this.”

    Debbie Marquez, a superdelegate from Colorado, said she had made up her mind to shift to Mr. Obama, largely because he opposed the Iraq war from the start. The ex-president called and talked for 45 minutes, she said.

    “When people talk about the finger wagging and lecturing in his speeches, I kind of felt that was going on over the phone,” Ms. Marquez said.

    In the end, she was not swayed.

  431. admin

    for those of us who may be going our separate ways after saturday, would it be possible to put together a thread dedicated to hillary? maybe a “letters of thanks” from the many posters here at 44. i feel this blog is one that may have a chance at reaching senator clinton. i think it might be nice to formally write and express what hillary has meant to us.

    just a thought.

  432. Shes suspending her campaign waiting for the political bomb to drop. She has to say publicly that she supports Obama. It matters not because it a rouse! She has to try to diffuse AA misplaced anger towards him. Many AA are not thinking clearly because, like Bob Johnson said, they are emotionally attached to him not because of what he’s done, but because of who they think he is, the first viable black.

    He has polarized this country along racial lines and he truly is the most divisive person ever!

  433. Its ashame in a way because after he loses, no AA will ever be President and it will be all because of him!

  434. Admin:

    Thanks for sticking around, too. I way keep the title as is until after the convention, then suddenly we weill log on one day and lo and behold it will say Hillaryis48.

    She’s being squeezed by her own this time. They are feeling the heat from the BHO camp, and she will meet them halfway.

    Yes, she will choose her wordsd carefully. You won’t hear the words “concede or endorse,” but rather fully support and “campaign for”, etc. Reporteres will try to press for these words to make her look insincere. To that, she will continue to answer in generalities. When they say,”Why won’t you use the word endorse or concede,” shew will say her supporters matter to her very much and she is working vigorously in their support for BHO. So, she will “do this” for our benefit. Hey, sounds good to me. We all know she doesn’t want to concede OR endorse, but is being made to be the powers that be. She DOES NOT have to release her delegates even if Edwards does. She was within inches of the nomination, so they all need to BACK OFF. Hillary supporters need to understand still, that every move she makes is a strategy that is the best strategy going forward. We need to take her cues. The other night she said she wanted to hear from us. Boy did she ever. She still needs to hear from us, and I think we will here that in her statements. CONTINUE TO SEND MESSAGES. We are STILL being listened to.

    Initially, I was upset at the thought of her stopping the campaign and not going to Denver. But here’s the deal. She WILL maintain her delegates, even if they (SD) essentially switch to BHO out of intimidation. And she WILL be in Denver. And ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING can still happen between now and then. So we must keep the faith, TAKE SUBTLE CLUES AND CUES, and be ready to pounce at the ddrop of a hat.

    WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BHO. THAT IS SET IN STONE. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. AND SHE KNOWS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HER SUPPORTERS LIKE US MEAN IT. That won’t necessarily be reported, except a few like Scott Rasmussen may still give statistics out on Fox, and you will have to dig to find dthese numbers going forward.

    ALL THE MORE REASON FOR HILLARYIS44 WEBSITE TO REMAIN UP AND RUNNING! THANKS ADMIN!

  435. warehouse553

    Actually it will be the fault of the DNC and the SD’s for being afraid of a backlash from AA for not supporting him, no matter how inexperienced he may be. I can see wanting to fault the politician himself, but like all policticians they just see themselves in the highest office imaginable. Blame the DNC and party elders for not have the balls to say to the AA community “No, he is not ready yet”.

  436. If I were Harold, Michael (Steele), Stephanie, Sheila or many other formidable AA politicians, I would be furious at the DNC for shoving BHO down American throats. He does in no way represent the Black experience in this country. I could not be thrilled that he is “the one” to reach this goal. Many of them totally “get it.” Most do not, but we know the pressure they have all been put under and should thank those that have stood by Hillary (and Bill) through thick and thin. WE WILL NOT FORGET. WE WILL SUPPORT THEM TEN TIMES OVER.

  437. Morning all–I just have to vent,

    I read somewhere last night that some Democratic leaders are claiming Obama has been hurt by Hillary staying in the campaign when it was certain she couldn’t catch up in the delegate count and that this caused the polarization between the camps. They must think we are all idiots.

    The divide between Democrats clearly started with the racial comments by Obama’s side after New Hampshire. It accelerated with sexist comments he made, and got set in stone with the revelations of Rev. Wright and his church. In reality, the entire superdelegate process is nothing but a sham. If candidates are not going to be allowed to compete for the superdelegates votes, why have such an asinine system in place. Just make it automatic that the one with the most delegates wins. Don’t punish Hillary simply because she was following the process these very leaders set in place. What hypocracy..

    Don’t despair on Hillary suspending her campaign. She keeps her delegates for Denver and the full force of the Republican attack machine will start to be felt. We just need to let things play out….

  438. From socal4hill: “I received an email from Hill re: supporting OBAMA. I am extremely disappointed. I unsubscribed. I thought she was going to fight for us. I thought she was going to fight for every vote. She is just like the rest of the dems. I’m done with the DNC and that includes Hillary.”

    To each his/her own. I’m also disappointed, but not at Hillary. I’m very unhappy with those controlling the DNC. They are a bunch of far left kooks who are screwing up our party. They don’t care about what is best for the country or the party. They support their own narrow agenda. For them, everyone else can go to hell.

    This party has always been splintered or fractured from it’s birth. Who has ever really considered it “organized?” For example, my dad complained about the “Southern Democrats” who always voted Republican in Congress. Now they have become Republicans in name as well. I fought with the far left in earlier years. Bill and Hillary are centrist Democrats, and the far left hates them for it. We’ve seldom had real unity in this party. We probably never will.

    But I’m a loyal Democrat. I’m just not as loyal as Hillary. I will not vote for BHO, someone who has not earned my trust nor my respect. I will try to understand Hillary’s motives in supporting him. I believe she needs to remain loyal to the party if she expects anything from it at all. This is not the end of her political career, so I don’t blame her for what she is forced, by circumstances, to do.

    I will not change my registration in protest. I’m a Democrat. I will continue to hope we can take this party back from the kooks. I can’t do as much as in the past, but I can do some.

    Hillary is still positioned to step in to run this country if called upon by her party. I hope that will happen because I will always support her. I will not hold my breath while waiting for a “bombshell”.

    I don’t mind if I’m alone in this. That’s the way this party works. I’m sticking around on this site as long as it exists. Thanks to everybody who has made it a great place to be.

  439. I can’t support Barack Hussein because I don’t trust him. His associations with the inept and racially divisive people turn me completly off. He will never get a vote from me even if Hill writes in her own blood.

    He’s a cancer on the country.

  440. I will resign all of my connection with the Dems this weekend. I will walk out, and they can fill my space with the O people they so worship. I will not come back. I will vote for McCain.

    Watch, they will blame this all on Senator Clinton.

    They have burned their bridges. I will work to defeat every traitor, with Richardson being my favorite.

  441. I’ll never be angry at Hillary — or Bill. I know they’re for me, and I know they’re in a very different position from somone like myself.

    I’ll support them in whatever they do.

    But I will not vote for Obama.

  442. Hillary is making a mistake but when your own party is campagning against you and your political supporters are defecting to the other side because they believe in the crap being fed to them by the media…then you have to retreat.

    So, it up to us to convince the party leader Obama is NOT electable by voting for McCain. The democrats quest for power is pathetic because they stepped all over their own rules and values to crush Sen. Hillary Clinton dreams thinking the American people agreed with that behavior.

    A lot of people are going to get hurt by want the democrats did in this campaign….Obama is ALL about Obama…he doesn’t give two cents about this country….don’t fool yourself and believe his lying words and his fake charm. This guy is in total agreement with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and the rest of those snakes. Including all those misogynistic males in the Democratic Party.

    You have to evaluate people actions and not their words…not if you can tolerate Chicago Style Politics on a national level…then go ahead and concede your vote to Obama and the democrats BUT IF you LOVE your country and the principles and value of it….then LIBERATE yourself from the mind think of party over country.

    The democrats had NO PROBLEM trashing a fine American, Gina Gershon, because she believe in the dream of this country and looked what happen…this WOMAN reputation was smeared by the media forever.

    The democrats, Team Obama and the National Media set WOMEN RIGHTS back DECADES and if you think they didn’t, what makes you think they will not do this again? They just told and shown the world by action that SEXISM is an ACCEPTABLE political tactic to use against politicain when they don’t know their place because their is not political harm….WOMEN WILL FALL BACK IN LINE AND TAKE THE ABUSE INSTEAD OF FIGHTING BACK.

    Yeah, the democrats are going to throw in buzz words like Roe vs Wade, the Supreme Court….BULLSHIT!!! Don’t be surprise if they bring in another WEAK AZZ women politician they can control and say SEE, We believe in women rights, it was Clinton that we didn’t want. Don’t believe it…It about the radical Left that wants control of the party and watch how they start this “Cult of personality” and try to distroy the individual or the issues.

    It’s all about the person and not about issues…These old farts in power with they playmates next beside them want to keep the power in the hands of the males. They even made a deal with the devil and is bringing Chicago Corrupted political machine nationwide, a machine that has been ineffective in bring hope and change to their own state.

    I believe Hillary Clinton is getting BAD advice the same WEAK ASS dems that has torpedoed us time and time before. This time they made it very clear where the line is in the party. They have TRAINED the young to be cynical in the values of the democratic party and that the best and brightest do not need to rise to the top….you only need a good marketing plan, a propagand media and people who can be bought and will sell you down the river.

    I admire and love Sen. Clinton but I’m a realist and Sen. Clinton is too dangereous for them…if they get power they will do everything to cut her to her knees…the fight is not over with them. They are going to continue to go after her because she is a threat. This is how Chicago play.

  443. If Rangel is abandoning her, as I read upthread, she has no choice.

    The Democrats are such a disgrace.

  444. Admin, you started talking about Rezko long before anybody else did. BMerry was on it with her rezkowatch. It has to be gratifying to see that he is finally held responsible for his crimes. Now people who fed off of him, will they pay?

  445. Again… I am stuck on stupid, but , where the fhell is this so called tape that was to come out yesterday. Beck, on FOX News said on Tuesday that we would see it on Tuesday?

  446. Let Dean and Pelosi take the DNC down the garden path and get butchered in November. Hillary and Bill will campaign for Obama and Bill had better not campaign as hard as he did in ’04 for that backstabber Kerry. The horse’s ass forgets Bill came off his death bed for him, but I will not forget. I am keeping a list of all the SD’s that endorsed Obama and on November 5th after he loses going to email them all and thank them for ruining the party. Making a list of Rep who endorsed him and will be making phone calls for their opponents as well. Screw the DNC.

  447. I am for Hillary for VP heres why:

    I trust her and want her to be a leader in this country.
    I want UNIVERSAL healthcare for every citizen – she will have more chance to pass it as VP than senator
    She deserves it – She’s fought so hard and long and won the most votes, she deserves it. (well ok she actually deserves the Presidency, but apparently votes don’t matter)
    I want her to represent our country in all parts of the world.
    I would love to see the faces on Dean/Pelosi/Brazille/! HAHA

    I will not vote for an OBAMA/? ticket. Only Obama/Clinton.
    The Democratic party has abandoned me, isolated me, and picked our nominee and chastised Hillary – only way I vote for a Democrat is it is for Hillary. Is if they show her the respect she deserves.

  448. He will never even consider her as VP. He really does not respect women. He has a wife only because this culture and running for President requires it.

    Hillary, if given anything to do, would outshine him by far.

  449. Morning all.

    No brilliant comments to make this morning, but I think McCain made one hell of a smart move by attempting to embrace HRC dems. That’s gonna pay off for him in spades.

  450. Appomattox Courthouse.

    We have lost our war but will remain loyal in our hearts to the cause we gave so much to.

    Thank you Admin for all you have done. Through all the many ups and downs, you have sustained us so many times. You did an absolutely fantastic job. Your dedication to Hillary and what she stands for is unsurpassed.
    And for all my fellow travelers, it is here we must part ways. I will change my Party affiliation when I get back to Florida for a visit this summer. I have been a Democrat all my life, even working on a few campaigns at different levels. The Party has changed. It has been truly taken over by the neo-libs and young brownshirts thugs, both of whom I have little in common with. In fact, they are as dangerous as the neo-cons. At least the neo-cons do not control the GOP. The neo-libs have successfully staged a coup and taken control of the Democrats. It is no longer the Party I once belonged to.
    I may join some of the McCain blogs. If I do, I think will keep this name as a reminder to both the GOP and Democrats that we Hillfans live on and will continue the fight to keep Obama from the White House.
    If by some miracle of fate, Hillary wins the nomination I will return to the fold. Otherwise it is Hillary is 45!

  451. I hope this site stay alive even though Hillary has decided to “support” Obama. I never thought I would ever see the Democratic Party strong arm anyone the way they have her. I am dismayed and disgusted. I received an email from Jay Nixon, who is the Democrat running for Govenor in my state of Mo along with Robin Carnahan who is our Democratic Secretary of State. They both asked that “Democrats” get on the unity train. I wrote back and told Jay that if Sarah Steelman, who is a republican with one primary opponent, became the nominee I was going to vote for her as a protest against the Democratic Party’s treatment of Hillary. I let him know that he couldn’t count on my vote downticket and that I was voting for McCain at the top.

    The downticket candidates need to know that this can cost them and it is not all about the top of the ticket. I already went to McCain’s site and signed up. I’ll be donating my dollars to him now. Maybe some HRC supporters will mellow out by November but I’m not one. I had the joy of answering my telelphone the other day only to find a nice, sweet Obama campaign worker on the other end. It was with great pleasure that I told her exactly how I felt about her candidate. When she kept trying to hang up, I told her No you are not hanging up on me I’ve listened to the lies coming from your candidate all these months now you are going to listen to me. Because she was probably only 18 she actually stayed on the line. It made me feel a little bit better.

    Anyway, I plan to keep coming here (I’ve given up TM) as long as you are around Admin and I will contribute to help you. It is a sad day.

  452. grandmother, I agree with you. the only to let DNC know we are angry is to vote against them the top and downtickets.

  453. OandrewD Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 9:20 am
    I am for Hillary for VP heres why:

    I trust her and want her to be a leader in this country.
    I want UNIVERSAL healthcare for every citizen – she will have more chance to pass it as VP than senator
    She deserves it – She’s fought so hard and long and won the most votes, she deserves it. (well ok she actually deserves the Presidency, but apparently votes don’t matter)
    I want her to represent our country in all parts of the world.
    I would love to see the faces on Dean/Pelosi/Brazille/! HAHA

    I will not vote for an OBAMA/? ticket. Only Obama/Clinton.
    The Democratic party has abandoned me, isolated me, and picked our nominee and chastised Hillary – only way I vote for a Democrat is it is for Hillary. Is if they show her the respect she deserves.

    I completely disagree and here’s why:

    1. She should be President and not VP. The VP position is not a position of power.
    2. The president sets the agenda for the country and not the VP – if Obama doesn’t want Universal Healthcare then there’s nothing that Hillary can do to achieve it.
    3. No one “deserves it”… I support Hillary not because she deserves it but because our country deserves her leadership.
    4. She can still represent the country when she is president in 2012.
    5. They would love it if Hillary agrees to be VP because it would help Obama win the Presidency. Without her support, Obama is surely going to lose. In fact, even with her support, Obama can’t be sure that he would win.

    I will not vote for Obama period – even with Hillary on the ticket.

  454. The downticket candidates need to know that this can cost them and it is not all about the top of the ticket. I already went to McCain’s site and signed up. I’ll be donating my dollars to him now. Maybe some HRC supporters will mellow out by November but I’m not one. I had the joy of answering my telelphone the other day only to find a nice, sweet Obama campaign worker on the other end. It was with great pleasure that I told her exactly how I felt about her candidate. When she kept trying to hang up, I told her No you are not hanging up on me I’ve listened to the lies coming from your candidate all these months now you are going to listen to me. Because she was probably only 18 she actually stayed on the line. It made me feel a little bit better.

    I agree completely. We should hit them where it hurts. We should rally against those downticket democrats who abandoned Hillary.

  455. Morning Hillfans-

    Im trying not to be bummed about the news and Im looking for a silver lining. I will say this- Hillary Clinton’s speech on Tuesday was brilliant. He may decide to pick her for VP but then again he may not. With her speech she let him know that she wasn’t going to make it easy. He has to want her on the ticket. It also sets her up for his failure. If he selects her as VP they might win. If he doesn’t- FAT CHANCE. And quite frankly if he loses, she will be in a perfect position to run as an independant in 2012. If by some chance he does win the election, I think the republicans will do whatever it takes to undermine him as president and turn him into a Jimmy Carter with the hope of regaining the white house.

    Im not sure how I will vote in the Fall. I do know that McCain with his intelligence and experience has my ear. But I also like the idea of voting liberterian (what’s that guy’s name again) just to support a third party regardless of who wins this round.

  456. Ronald Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am Im not sure how I will vote in the Fall. I do know that McCain with his intelligence and experience has my ear. But I also like the idea of voting liberterian (what’s that guy’s name again) just to support a third party regardless of who wins this round.

    Better vote for McCain. This way your vote will count twice against Obama.

  457. I’ll work harder AGAINST an Obama/Clinton ticket than an Obama/anyone.

    No way I want Hillary tying up with that turkey. VP would be a come-down for her after Senator. I don’t want her to sacrifice her own career to prop up the man who abused her!

    How can we best work against that ‘unity’ ticket happening?

  458. We must vote against it to help her remain viable for 2012! I really believe Obama will fade after he loses!

  459. Ronald, I can not vote for Bob Barr the libertarian candidate. He was one of Clinton impeachment managers that pontificating SOB with a permanent sneer on his face would never get my vote. He never exhibited any libertarian priciples when he was in the Republican party. He is hypocrit cheating on his wife while prosecutig Clinton.

    americanpolitics.com/012699Barr.html

  460. snipped this at, I think it was, No Quarter — if true, good news,no?

    “I just spoke to Hillary’s Main Campaign office and she IS NOT conceding. In fact I was told that Hillary’s campaign just hired some new people today.

    Obama’s whole schtick* is based on a less than 3 minute “converstation” while both were waiting to speak to AIPAC. Hillary was probably her usual gracious self, and Barky is spinning it to sound like she will work for him.As we have said before It ain’t finished until the lady in the pantsuit says. Barky is just spewing pure execrement.Nellie
    ***Second Update***
    Hillary Clinton has announced that she is “suspending” her campaign. This means she still has all of her delegates intact up to the Convention. How very interesting, yes?
    *his idea that she will support him in the GE

  461. Patsy Arceneaux, a National Committee member from Louisiana who had a friendship with the Clintons, was persuaded early this year to support Mrs. Clinton. But when Mr. Clinton made what she saw as racially inflammatory comments in South Carolina, Ms. Arceneaux said she developed serious misgivings about supporting Mrs. Clinton.

    After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. “You can’t imagine how stressful this has been,” Ms. Arceneaux said. “It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this.”

    Debbie Marquez, a superdelegate from Colorado, said she had made up her mind to shift to Mr. Obama, largely because he opposed the Iraq war from the start. The ex-president called and talked for 45 minutes, she said.

    “When people talk about the finger wagging and lecturing in his speeches, I kind of felt that was going on over the phone,” Ms. Marquez said.

    In the end, she was not swayed.
    *****************************************************
    WEAK ASS TRAITORS!!!

    Supporting the race card tactics and against the war bullshit from a person who has supported GWB everytime….IDIOTS

  462. People will always make up excuses for their actions.

    To be truthful with you, if I had been through the desertions that the Clintons have been through, I am not sure I could talk civil to anyone.

  463. DENVER DENVER DENVER …..Tell the world that Hillary knows what she is doing, she is soldiering on, and she will be 44! Pity the weak who fail her. Do not cripple your spirit with fear and hatred. Pick your chins up off the floor and cheer the woman on!

  464. Gosh,

    Anti-bambi sites created by Hillary supporters are now sprounting out like there is no TOMORROW. I tell you, we are the new dailykos crowd, the moderate, the working class, etc, check out the new sites just listed on ‘no quarter’.

    We are going to crush those bastards. Make no mistake, this is a war they inflicted upon us, they will pay clearly either in Nov, or the next four years!

  465. If you are concerned about the Supreme Court, you need to do the following.

    You need to Vote for McCain, but give him a legislative body that will not let him overturn any women rights. That means you pull the lever for McCain, and you elect the Democratic Candidate.

    Of course I will not be re-electing anyone that betrayed the Clintons.

  466. THERE WILL BE NO 2012 !!!!

    I’m a realist and the problem is more then Hillary Clinton. For some reason some democrats want to narrow this to Clinton Bashing BUT what they don’t UNDERSTAND is their actions SET BACK WOMEN RIGHTS for decades.

    People got hurt by the lies repeated over and over again by the media and TEAM OBAMA many young people actually believe this crap. Why should a fine American like Gina Gershon have her reputation smeared by the Democrats and the MSM media WORLDWIDE?

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CLINTONS….THIS IS ABOUT WHAT OUR PARTY TRULY STAND FOR AND THEY DON’T STAND FOR ANYTHING BUT POWER AND GREED AND MYSOGINY!!!

    A BUNCH OF ANTI-AMERICAN COWARDS!!!

    At least with McCain he loved his country some much that he lost the use of his arm….and his country loved him enough too. HIS COUNTRY!!!
    McCain has served his country ALL his life, who has Obama served that makes him think he is entitled to be POTUS because his RESUME shows NOTHING?

  467. Admin, glad to hear you are sticking around. I just sent you a gift. Keep up the fight!

    Gary

  468. kostner

    I agree with you, but we need to be sending our message now. They need to feel the defection in the Party now. Otherwise they will think they can convince us to stay. I am sending my message loud and clear. At the next Dems meeting here, I want them to know that I have quit, and there are more coming.

    Will it matter. That is up to them. BUT THE BULLYING STOPS NOW.

    They may only learn the lesson in November.

  469. lil ole grape- you’re the best! I agree. She isn’t releasing her delegates for a reason. She is a smart woman.

    clintondem99- I had no idea. Guess I wont be voting for him afterall.

  470. “I just spoke to Hillary’s Main Campaign office and she IS NOT conceding. In fact I was told that Hillary’s campaign just hired some new people today.

    Obama’s whole schtick* is based on a less than 3 minute “converstation” while both were waiting to speak to AIPAC. Hillary was probably her usual gracious self, and Barky is spinning it to sound like she will work for him.As we have said before It ain’t finished until the lady in the pantsuit says. Barky is just spewing pure execrement.Nellie
    ***Second Update***
    Hillary Clinton has announced that she is “suspending” her campaign. This means she still has all of her delegates intact up to the Convention. How very interesting, yes?
    *his idea that she will support him in the GE
    ———————————————–
    This is excellent news. She is suspending and not conceding. As for big media: put a stake in THEM! Sooner rather than later the county will get to know the real barack obama, instead of this rotagravuerd image we have been seeing, and then they will know they have been deceived.

  471. I’m going to order my Democrats for McCain bumper sticker today from PUMA.

    I’m NOT switching parties to Independent because, as it’s been pointed out, my vote for McCain would be considered that of a Repub whereas a vote from a registered Dem for McCain is a vote against Waffles.

  472. Carbynew said:
    “You have to evaluate people actions and not their words…not if you can tolerate Chicago Style Politics on a national level…then go ahead and concede your vote to Obama and the democrats BUT IF you LOVE your country and the principles and value of it….then LIBERATE yourself from the mind think of party over country.”

    Amen! And you are so right: Hillary can’t be controlled – that makes her dangerous since Obama is the front man for the Daley-Kennedy merger plan to loot US taxpayers, just like they have looted Illinois taxpayers for years.

  473. If you are as smart as Hillary, as committed to the millions of Americans she met in the course of this 16 month campaign, and have a burning desire to achieve the public good then you have no choice but to fight on, and never concede to evil. In time, supers will wake up to what ordinary people have known for some time about her opponent, and if they do not until it is too late then it will be their loss. I believe that when he does crater in the face of damning evidence it will be hard for anyone to blame Hillary for it.

  474. Suppose Obama goes to jail in mid-August. Does anyone think the Supers would still support him?M

    Oh, I’m sure if he murdered Jimmy Carter with a kaiser blade on live tv, the supers would still support him.

  475. Grandmother: I too will not vote for Jay Nixon, I am going to vote stright Republican. The candiates need to understad what their party did to them, by letting “Core Democrats” leave the party.

    Another thought, it will be intresting to see if Hillary concedes or suspends her campaign. Concedes tell me there is nothing out there regarding the ” Ranting Tape of MO” , suspends tells me there is truth to the rumor.

  476. If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
    But make allowance for their doubting too
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating
    And yet not look too good or talk too wise

    If you can dream and not make dreams your master
    If you can think and not make thoughts your aim
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by naves to make a trap for fools
    Or watch the things you gave your life for broken
    And stoop and build them up with worn out tools

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one game of pitch and toss
    And lose and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the will which says to them hold on

    If you can walk with crowds and keep your virtue
    Or walk with kings-nor lose the common touch
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you
    If all men count with you, but none too much
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds worth of distance run
    Yours is the eath and everything that’s in it
    And which is more you will be a man my son
    ———————————————
    Well . . . that was Kipling in the poem “If”. He must have been thinking of our girl in which case the last line would read . . .

    And which is more you will be Hillary Rodham Clinton–the greatest leader of our time.

  477. For those democrats that want to quit please say until after the convention…then do what you have to do!

    I DID NOT SAY SUPPORT OR VOTE FOR OBAMA, I’m a Hillary Girl and I’am going to do everything in my power to show Obama is NOT electable as the DNC, Democrats and superdelegates think he is.

    But once the official tally is done and the dems STILL choose Obama that night I will be donating to McCain and be a McCain democrat.

  478. Grandmother,
    I’m with you and had already decided I’d not vote Demo down party either. I’m so sad about Jay. He’s a hometown boy and from our school system. But I will not support him now or Russ.

    Even if Claire had a huge change of heart, started speaking in tongues, and fell on her knees and kissed Hillary’s toes tomorrow, I’d NEVER, EVER vote for her again in my lifetime. I’m that disgusted.

    In our local county elections, I will NOT support even for dog catcher, anyone who is an Obama supporter.

    I really do not think that Obama and his Democratic supporters and the DNC understand the depth of our disgust at them. They think we are silly little voters who will be bamboozled with BO’s “charm”. I’ve got news for them…I’m a WOMAN and I do not get thrills running up or down my leg or anywhere else on my body when BO blinks or “goose bumps” like T.D. Jakes and I certainly do not have the “fierce urgency of now”!

    It just dawned on me, why is it the men who are getting all those thrills for BO?

    So, Grandmother, thanks for your post. I’m sure we are not the only Missourians who feel this way.

  479. One need not abandon their principles and values to vote for McCain. If anything it reinforces who you are as an American who has the free and equal right to participate in our government.
    A vote for McCain is not joining the republican party it is simply a vote against Obama. You are who you are and your values do not change because you oppose Obama.

    I want a president first, before a historical moment. I will be voting for McCain and in protest to the democratic party I will be changing to independent status.

  480. After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. “You can’t imagine how stressful this has been,” Ms. Arceneaux said. “It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this.”
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    Gee, I never realized treason had a price. I talked to Judas Richardson before I acted and he told me it was easy. I can’t believe a word he says

  481. This Chicago tribune website has reaction to REZKO conviction:

    weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/obamas_former_ally_rezko_convi.html

  482. good morning ev1
    saw a post by texan4hillary 4:22 am
    http://www.hcsfjm.com good site

    cmon we must give John Mccain 30% or more to defeat this fraud in Nov.

    plz check out site they have a poll for 3 swing states to concentrate on go vote and join.

    we can do it

    yes we will

    we must defeat Obama in the end he will respect us.

  483. I think the full name should be: “The centrist Democratic coalition for McCain”. This shows we are not Republicans per se, and will return to the Democratic Party if it ever returns to its centrist roots and throws out these radicals. If not then we may become republicans over time, assuming they modify some of their positions to be more accomodating to us-as I believe they will. For now it is a marriage of convenience, and we are joined in the common purpose to save our county

  484. No matter what happens from now to November and even after, If Obama loses, Hillary will be blamed. If more scandal comes out about Obama, Hillary will be blamed. If ugly words come out of Michelle’s mouth, it will all be Hillary’s fault…

    They both remind me of children/adults who refuse to take responsibility for anything they do or say.

    Rant over.

  485. If that WSJ journal bit about Bill not releasing his business dealings (and they only say “may not”) is a deal-breaker for her becoming VP, then that proves to me Waffles was behind the Vanity Fair smear on him (not that I actually doubted it before).

    BTW, the silver lining of her not becoming VP is that when Waffles loses because many Dems defected, people will say his failure to pick her and unify the party was a factor.

  486. for all the Pelosi haters she won her district by nearly 90% in the primary, she will still go up against a weak republican in NOvember. SF is way too liberal to allow a republican in.

  487. BTW, asking Bill to release the names of donors to his library is a problem because they give the money knowing it’ll be kept confidential. All presidential libraries have anonymous donors.

  488. “People in both camps cited what several called “a deal-breaker” — Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.”

    This BS about his library and business dealings is just an excuse.

    The Clintons are probably cleaner than any other couple in politics.

  489. lil ole grape-

    Im not giving up but I cant sing right now. Im a little hoarse 😉
    too much phone banking and campaigning I guess. The time to sing will come but I dont feel it at the momment.

    🙁

  490. debbie Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 11:37 am
    for all the Pelosi haters she won her district by nearly 90% in the primary, she will still go up against a weak republican in NOvember. SF is way too liberal to allow a republican in.
    *****************************************************
    It never hurts to try. You have to let people know how it feel and NOT take you for granted. If she win, she win but at least she has to work for it like Hillary had to and know it’s your own party helping you out the door.

    At least it will be a fair competition and Nancy can see it coming.

  491. plural, I agree. Yet Waffles expects Hillary to work her ass off for him while the 18 million who voted for her get stiffed. Hell, losing candidates who were less competitive than HRC (Poppy Bush, Edwards) got VP invitations.

  492. I will watching daily, the Electorial Colleger Map to see what changes there are over the next month. It is all about the map now.

  493. My email to Donna Brazile this a.m. – you can imagine what she wrote back! It sure felt good to send it.

    Donna,
    Congratulations. Your backroom machinations and scorched earth tactics have succeeded in nominating the first AA candidate for President. That is a very noble goal. Too bad it will be forever tainted by the heavy-handed maneuvers of the party machine.

    You are now in a position of running a candidate in the general election that has been funded by a convicted political fixer and who has long-standing political and personal ties to radical anti-American crazies.

    Now he will face an opponent that will not be constrained by party loyalty from attacking the chosen one.

    Good luck with that.

    McCain 2008/Clinton 2012

  494. Paula Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 11:47 am
    plural, I agree. Yet Waffles expects Hillary to work her ass off for him

    I don’t think she will do as much campaigning as we think, and after all, if he keeps blaming her for his loses.. he just looks like more of a whiner..

    I think she will do some fundraisers.. and maybe campaign for party unity some.. but most of the time.. she will lay low..

    all the while the GOPs will be exposing new things on him, and she is no longer the focus of these attacks..

  495. plural Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 11:43 am
    “People in both camps cited what several called “a deal-breaker” — Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.”

    This BS about his library and business dealings is just an excuse.

    The Clintons are probably cleaner than any other couple in politics.
    *****************************************************
    Obama people want Bills connects, this is war….Hillary should turn down the VP slot. They don’t deserve this humiliation, this is BULLSHIT!!!

    Like I said, they want to destory the Clinton and their legacy get all their funding…it’s ALL about power. They are going to blame the Clintons anyway so DON’T DO IT!!!

    LET those BASTARD WORK FOR IT THEMSELVES…they have NO RESPECT AT ALL…GREEDY FCUKERS Chicago Politics 101.

  496. The Clintons put out their tax returns, now the Obama people want more. There is no end to it, and no point in cooperating with people who are operating IMO in bad faith.

  497. Saw this on riverdaughter. It’s from a post by Anglachel and is a must-read:

    The deep problem of Obama’s campaign is that he and his supporters do not want to face the political reality of their own conflicting desires. They both want to sweep to victory in November and they want to purge the party of anything connected to the Clintons, which includes all of the voting contituencies represented by that amazing and talented duo. The failure of the Unity Pony stems directly from that fantasy of majority status without majority support and the political work and compromises that go with cultivating that support. Thus, their model for unity is unanimity through elimination, purging the ranks of the unclean and unbelievers.

    They will not acknowledge that Hilalry is a legitimate political actor and reduce her to an inhuman monster and enemy. They will not acknowledge that her supporters have sound, rational reasons for our support, and reduce us to mindless fools and spoils of war. They shift blame for their own choices and actions onto us and expect that we will cater to their whims.

  498. Bill and Hill need to lay low, suspend not end…… wait for Obama’s chickens to come home to roost

    she will be 44

    and where the hell are Obummers Senate records ???????????i think that is much more important that BC donor records after all BC isn’t the “PRESUMPTIVE NOminee” !!!!!!

    NO-vember!!!

  499. They seem to think they can keep all these supposed new voters, while they insult and take for granted Hillary’s voters — who in the end turned out to be more.

    It’s not gonna work.

  500. That VP talk is to HELP Obama, who has NO intention in letting that happen. The democrats think they have won the POTUS anyway because most of the country hates George W. Bush administration.

    But 5 months is a long time and Obama’s negatives are terrible and the idiots in the democatic party think he can reverse that if Hillary gets out now…Too Late won’t work.

  501. paula:

    thx for posting this.. I agree.. which is why I will NEVER support that arrogant empty suit.. and actaully his problems will get worse.. every non-AA minority will shift to mccain.. jewish grps are aligning will mccain, catholics are aliging with mccain, seniors, women are aligning witgh mccain.

    and even more importantly, the people who voted for him earlier who now know what kind of dirty politician he is WILL NOT support him in the fall (if he becomes the nom.)

  502. Paula,
    I agree…..BO is in a bit of box. Part of his campaign strategy was to rev up his supporters by demonizing HRC (and her supporters). That is why there was so much hate and vitriol spewed everywhere on line, in the press, etc. Having succeeded in demonizing her in their eyes, they will lose it if of all a sudden starts to be respectful to her now. He needs her supporters but partially got his by making us all out the anti-christ.

  503. it’s called “BUYERS REMORSE” and it will rear it’s ugly head with the forth coming GE polls 😉

  504. wbboei:

    Reading that Kipling poem, which I memorized in high school, brought tears to my eyes. It was inspiring then, and you are so correct — it totally describes Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  505. exactly right Ann…. and we will not fall for it!! now they are coming over and saying “well I guess you were never a dem” or “what about roe/wade”

    TOO LITTLE TOO LATE..

    and now more and more will start coming out on him and his “finally proud of america” wife and that will alienated even more people, some of whom supported him initially.

    he is losing support.. and she is gaining support

  506. just in from newwomensparty a yahoo email group (same one short termer has told us about here)

    who lives in WASH DC?

    We have now been officially notified that Hillary will suspend her campaign on Sat at a “unity” event in DC.

    WE NEED A PROTEST OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS THERE HOLDING TONS AND TONS OF

    NO BAMA SIGNS

    HILLARY IS OUR PRESIDENT

    OBAMA STOLE THE ELECTION

    and eveything else you can think of….

    THIS SATURDAY….

    We need to do this ASAP!!!

  507. Wonder how much crap from the crooks it will take to make Hill and Bill say go to hell to the rotten party and campaign as Clinton Democrats against Obama and McCain — is it possible to form a new party in time for the GE? Remember Teddy Roosevelt split off and ran on his Bull Moose Party? He lost the election but I don’t think he had the following the Clintons have.

    Most of Roosevelt’s delegates walked out of the Republican convention and held a mass meeting, where it was decided to bolt the Republican Party and found a new party. Roosevelt agreed to lead a new party if nominated . In August 1912 the national convention of the new Progressive Party met in Chicago, and nominated TR for President and Governor Hiram W. Johnson of California for Vice President. In November the Republicans for the first and only time in history came in third in both the popular and electoral vote for President. TR came in second, and because of the split in the normal Republican vote, Democrat Woodrow Wilson was elected.
    ________________________________________
    But the real winner in 1912 was democracy in the form of the presidential primaries. By running and losing, by refusing to be counted out … when the voters had spoken … Theodore Roosevelt had firmly established the new primary system.
    http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

  508. I wish the CLINTONS would STOP trying to SAVE the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    There is no UNITY because The radicals under Team Obama really despise Clinton Democrats and they think they can hide behind backs of African Americans who really want to see the dream fulfilled of seeing a Black POTUS.

    Since the MSM media is now in the propaganda business and have annoited Obama so they think…remember Obama lost the majority of the Democratic voter….that is a very telling sign but since so many people put their career in Obama’s fate, they are not going down without taking the party down with them.

    Hillary and Bill Clinton need to stop trying to SAVE the Democratic Party and let them jump over the clift. Do Not Trust anything from anybody who wants you to unite the party. IT won’t work because the Howard Dean wing of the party and Team Obama want to eliminate ALL threats…you can not TRUST them….this is Chicago Politics

  509. Wonder how much crap from the party the Clintons can take before they thik about forming their own party … thinking of Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Party.

    http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

    “Most of Roosevelt’s delegates walked out of the Republican convention and held a mass meeting, where it was decided to bolt the Republican Party and found a new party. Roosevelt agreed to lead a new party if nominated . In August 1912 the national convention of the new Progressive Party met in Chicago, and nominated TR for President and Governor Hiram W. Johnson of California for Vice President. In November the Republicans for the first and only time in history came in third in both the popular and electoral vote for President. TR came in second, and because of the split in the normal Republican vote, Democrat Woodrow Wilson was elected. But the real winner in 1912 was democracy in the form of the presidential primaries. By running and losing, by refusing to be counted out … when the voters had spoken … Theodore Roosevelt had firmly established the new primary system.
    http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

    ________________________________________
    But the real winner in 1912 was democracy in the form of the presidential primaries. By running and losing, by refusing to be counted out … when the voters had spoken … Theodore Roosevelt had firmly established the new primary system.
    http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/bullmoose.htm

  510. TYPICAL CHICAGO STYLE POLITICS AT WORK FOLKS!!

    Obama Confronts Lieberman On McCain Advocacy, Tone, on Senate Floor

    June 05, 2008 11:27 AM

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, the self-described “Independent Democrat” who caucuses with the Democratic party in the Senate even though he has endorsed Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, got some tough talk from Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, yesterday about his advocacy for the presumptive Republican presidential candidate and the general tone of the campaign, Democratic sources tell ABC News.

    Returning to the Senate after his securing the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama and Lieberman greeted each on the Senate floor in the Well as they were voting on the budget resolution.

    They shook hands. But Obama didn’t let go, leading Lieberman – cordially – by the hand across the room into a corner on the Democratic side, where Democratic sources tell ABC News he delivered some tough words for the junior senator from Connecticut, who had just minutes before hammered Obama’s speech before the pro-Israel group AIPAC in a conference call arranged by the McCain campaign.

    The two spoke intensely for approximately five minutes, with no one able to hear their conversation. Reporters watched as Obama leaned closely in to Lieberman, whose back was literally up against the wall.

    Neither party is officially talking. But while Lieberman spokesman Marshall Whitman says the conversation was “a cordial and friendly discussion” and Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton says it was “private and friendly,” Democratic sources tell ABC News that the conversation was a stern rebuke to Lieberman for his criticism of the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee on the conference call, as well as a discussion about how far Lieberman is willing to go in his advocacy of McCain, and the tone of the campaign.

    Jake Tapper: blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-confronts.html

  511. Be ready for the onslaught to try and placate us….

    there will be a slew of articles about how “historic” her campaign was, how strong she is, what a service she did in breaking down barriers……

    bullshit…all of it. Why weren’t they saying that when she won NH, OH, NV,TX, PA, PR, AZ, MA, CA, etc. etc., when she raised an imposing war chest, when she kicked everyone’s ass in the debates.

    Because it’s ok to say nice things now that they have succeeded in kicking the woman to the back of the bus.

  512. carbynew Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    I wish the CLINTONS would STOP trying to SAVE the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
    ——————————
    Exactly. And form their own party!

  513. Democratic sources tell ABC News that the conversation was a stern rebuke to Lieberman for his criticism of the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee on the conference call, as well as a discussion about how far Lieberman is willing to go in his advocacy of McCain, and the tone of the campaign.
    *****************************************************
    The MARXISTS are in control and it’s storm trouper time.

  514. Lieberman doesn’t have to listen to Obama — Lieberman got elected in CT as an Independent last time.

    That story is just Obama showing off to his Lieberman-hating bloggers.

    More macho strutting.

  515. FOR GET ABOUT A THIRD PARTY the rules has been change to make it harder.

    IT’s either DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS since it seem like CORRUPT Chicago Politics are being elevated to the NATIONAL STAGE and you have to LIBERATE YOURSELF FROM PARTY POLITICS TO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY.

    Everything is being kicked to the curb by the elites to get power in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IT’s not about the BIG TENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF FDR or Clinton anymore. IT’s about the radical left taking control…now you can THINK you can reason with this fools or make deals BUT they HAVE THEIR OWN ADGENDA and will TAKE You OUT or you will SURRENDER and Kicked TO the CURB.

    Make NO mistake….Hillary made a mistake when she let them know Party Unity was more important then Country.

  516. IMO, those like me who want to see him lose need to concenrate on demonizing him in the key swing states he is most likely to be close: Ohio and Missouri. He can’t win without those states.

    An organized effort to instill fear is what is called for, these are lunch pail Dems concerned about the future of their families. Exposing him to be the racist radical that he is will doom him in these states. We can do it – we can destroy his chances.

  517. Morning all.

    Djia & skmf12 — The “Primary the Benedict Arnolds” website is going to have to wait a bit, at least on my end, because the most important thing to me is to make sure Obama is defeated. When he is defeated then working to oust the Judases can begin in earnest.

    I agree with 1950’s, I don’t want Hillary in any way associated with Bambi or his ticket. While trying to get her as a VP choice is wise politically, in actuality she needs to be as far away from Rezko Boy as possible so that when he falls she does not go down with him.

    It is a shame that Rengel, etc. turned against HRC, but it is not surprising. These people are politicians, after all, meaning that most lack the stomach for doing the right thing and instead often fall-in with doing the expedient one.

    HRC’s decision to suspend her campaign, given the circumstances, is, I believe, the correct choice. No concession, just a suspension.

    Some are leaving the site, and you will be missed. I am staying here through November, at least. There is a tremendous amount of work to be done to help HRC become either 44 or 45, so the sooner we dive into that the faster it can be completed.

    People are feeling different things right now, as can be expected. I feel good, calm and resolved. I am eager to help John McCain defeat Barack Obama and have begun work on my next video in the service of that end.

    It is important now that we HRC backers — the majority of the party who are being mugged here by the elites — remain as cohesive and focused as we can be. Of course, many of us need to back off a bit for some time to just regain our strength after such intense devotion to our cause and from just plain physical exhaustion. We have been working hard and it paid off in getting Hill the most votes ever for a primary presidential candidate.

    When we catch our breath, so to speak, it will be time to turn our attention to defeating Obama and his corrupt backers. And we want to not only defeat him but crush him. By doing this we will help to ensure several things: Hillary or the next female candidate will not face the same blatant misogyny which Clinton has faced; Obama and his fellow race-baiters will not be rewarded for their disgraceful, destructive campaign; and we, the majority, get to reclaim our party from the coupists.

    If we do not succeed in stopping Obama, the consequences will be grave and long-lasting.

    The best news, however, is that our desire to defeat Obama is easily attained. So long as we stay disciplined in November we cannot fail and there is no way in which Barack McGovern can win. Combining this ballot box strategy with a firm commitment to help McCain will result in Barack’s electoral destruction.

    Our prospects are beyond excellent, and they are completely within our own hands. It is up to us to ensure Barack Obama does not become the next President (utilizing only legal methods, of course).

    So those who need to step away, just remember that you will be returning to a very good situation. With the facts as they are and with our concentrated energies, we will achieve that which we seek.

    *

    The Bambians have two main attack lines against McCain and to try to rally Clinton Dems: Roe vs Wade and McCain’s age.

    The age issue is irrelevant beyond its superficiality, as one interview with McCain’s mother Roberta demonstrates. John has good genes and should be strong and competent for a very long time.

    Which leaves us with Roe vs Wade.

    We know Bambi is a bit…malleable…in his political positions. The 1996 survey he filled out/corrected clearly demonstrates that. We know Bambi has gone “present” on choice while in the Illinois State Senate. So there are real concerns there.

    Concerns such as being able to leave your two-decade friends (Rezko, Wright, Pfleger) on a dime and renounce affiliations (Trinity) and positions (anti-assimilationist) on a whim. You can also throw your own white family members under the bus and mock them (typical white person) anytime you feel like you want.

    Barack Obama, quite simply, is not to be trusted. He has done nothing to earn people’s trust. And this includes on the issue of choice.

    So, women are going to have to decide for themselves whether they can support someone who is nominally pro-choice but who has shown he will disrespect women, profoundly, whenever it suits him.

    Can you, female Democrats and fellow Clinton supporters, actually back this person? Do you believe he is competent to represent you and your will? Did his joyful repudiation of Hillary Clinton tell you all that you needed to know?

    The Democratic elite believes that it has women on a string, that a buffoon like Bobby Wexler can be rescued from disrespecting Harold Ickes and through Ickes all Clinton supporters simply by invoking the choice card. Will you allow these men to manipulate you this way? Because they are banking on your capitulating to them and this single-issue matter.

    McCain, on the other hand, is pro-life. That is the truth, and it has to be acknowledged.

    However, a lot else has to also be acknowledged. For people such as Harriet Christian, now-famous Clinton supporter, childbearing is well in her past. Christian is much more interested in the safety and well-being of our nation than is she focused on one issue which no longer affects her.

    A great number of women who back Clinton are preparing to vote for John McCain. For a large number of these women, it seems, their minds are made up. And that is good.

    Now we need to help the remaining women who do not wish to support the duplicitous Obama but who do support choice and who are wavering in their commitment to McCain make the right decision.

    This is it, this is their one argument. By itself, it is not enough to save Obama by a longshot. But we still want to be able to effectively counter it and help those women who are fed-up with Bambi and the party do the right thing by voting for John McCain, war hero.

    Peace.

    *****************************************
    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com
    —————————
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    Join the 30,000+ in over 100 countries on 6 continents who have seen the truth about Barack Hussein Obama

    The Essential Obama videos:

    Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_N1rqVo2W0

    The Obama Cult (Ruby Ridge Remix)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7wVUX9Ixo

    The Obama Equation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pSFrHfMWs

  518. # Ann Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    My email to Donna Brazile this a.m. – you can imagine what she wrote back! It sure felt good to send it.

    Donna,
    Congratulations. Your backroom machinations and scorched earth tactics have succeeded in nominating the first AA candidate for President….
    &&&&&

    Ann, you really nailed that one.

    What’s Brazile’s email?

    Lastly, I would lovvvvve to read her response, if it’s okay to share it.

  519. thanks paul..

    the roe-v-wade stuff won’t work on more women.. for one thing the mccain camp will not overturn it.. they have said so..

  520. DNC Web site couldn’t wait to put up his big face. The whole rush to judgment shows that they were / are nervous about the thin ground they are standing on in trying to claim him the victor.

    I know they will now try to woo HRC supporters. Even Hillary herself won’t be able to convince us to support this nasty candidate who uses old-style hardball mudslinging tactics, and repression, intimidation and vote stealing. Oh, but you want me to support this candidate, perhaps send a contribution so we can have a splendid time in Denver celebrating our diversity and unity.

    HA!

    On the DNC site, one of the menu options is “People”, and if you put your pointer on it, the drop down list includes:

    African Americans
    Asian Americans/Pacific Islanders X
    Disability Community
    Faith in Action X
    Hispanics X
    LGBT Community X
    Native Americans
    Rural Americans X
    Seniors and Retirees X
    Small Business Community
    Union Members & Families 1/2 X
    Veterans
    Women X
    Young People & Students

    So it looks like the Dems are willing to go with the candidate that has completely polarized the party, and cannot “connect” with the groups marked with “X”.

    Great strategy. Good luck in wooing us. Keep piling on, keep poking us with the stick.

    Oh, and please send us more questionaires asking for input and money. Each one of those costs money. Enjoy your convention held in a tent.

  521. wagner1jc- I agree with your statement regarding needing OH and MO, I would add Obama needs MI and FL, that is going to be a hard sell. The following site is good and gives up to date information

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/

    Many swing states are too close to call (based on the electoral-vote.com site). I believe it will come down to the how the”Clinton Democrats” vote.

  522. paul

    The “Primary the Benedict Arnolds” website is going to have to wait a bit, at least on my end, because the most important thing to me is to make sure Obama is defeated. When he is defeated then working to oust the Judases can begin in earnest.

    This is fine….. I think how ever we might want to do a website that serves both purposes

    i know there are sights already, but the more the better …..right!? 😀

  523. Tim says:

    the roe-v-wade stuff won’t work on more women…for one thing the mccain camp will not overturn it…they have said so

    Excellent. That makes things a lot easier.

    Thank you, Tim.

    I think what’s most important right now is to remember who is holding the cards. And the people holding the cards are we, the Clinton supporters. Without any help from Republicans we can crush Barack Obama with our votes. That’s all that matters.

    Many of us are feeling down, beaten, dispirited. It’s easy to be distracted from the reality of the situation and the truth of our being in control.

    But we are in control — total control — of Bambi’s fate. And as he and his acolytes continue to assail us and the Clintons, the firmness of our commitment to oppose him in November hardens.

    I have to run for a bit. Talk to you all later. Thanks again, Tim.

    Paul 🙂

  524. Djia — You are right. I just wanted to give a follow-up to you and skmf because I said I would start on the site the other day but haven’t had the chance.

    🙂

    Ann – I’m going to write Brazile now and tell her she has shamed the party and the memory of those such as MLK. She is an embarrassment who said she would leave the party if the SD’s decided things.

    Time to go, Donna.

  525. apparently the fraud was in the red at the beginning of june.. and the DNC is having trouble gettign $$ b/c most true dems are hillary supporters and not giving $$ to the DNC

    REMEMBER GIVE NO $$ TO DNC!!!

    NOT 1 CENT!

  526. I think we should all send DB the same little email today that goes like this 😀

    Dear Donna,

    ” it’s rainin McCain…..Hallelujah!!….. It’s rainin McCain……. hallelujah!!

    Sincerely,

    A Bitter typical Hillary supporter who’s clinging to Hillary!

  527. djia Says:

    June 5th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    I think we should all send DB the same little email today that goes like this

    Dear Donna,

    ” it’s rainin McCain…..Hallelujah!!….. It’s rainin McCain……. hallelujah!!

    Sincerely,

    A Bitter typical Hillary supporter who’s clinging to Hillary!
    *****************************************************
    I love it! We should all send It’s rainin McCain…Hallelujah.

  528. ann: oh yeah.. fraud, fool, empty suit..

    REMEBER ALL…PASS IT TO EVERY BLOG YOU POST ON.. DNC IS IN TROUBLE.. AND SO IS BO..

    HILLARY CAN CAMPAIGN FOR HIM ALL SHE WANTS.. WE WILL NOT GIVE 1 RED CENT TO THE DNC..

    SO BO’s NUMBERS WILL DROP EVEN WITH HILLARY HELPING HIM, ALL THE WHILE THE GOPs will start hitting hard at him.. and the DNC will not raise much $$

    by 3 months.. the story line will change.. BO will seen as the loser as we see him

    also remember a lot of the fraud;s primary $$ came from repubs. .. they will not be giving him $$ in the GE, that $$ is going to the repubs..

    DO NOT GIVE TO THE DNC!

  529. Ok, I promise this is my last message for now.

    Copy of the letter I just sent to Donna Brazile:

    Donna,

    You, Clyburn, Amaya Smith, Wilder, Jackson, Jr. and all the rest who played the race-baiting game have stained our party and our country. I am ashamed to be a Democrat for what you all have done.

    You know what Dr. King said, know what he preached. And this flies in the face of all of it, the low-down strategy which Bambi and his people employed.

    I am a lifelong Dem who has already begun to help McCain and will be doing everything in my power, legally, to defeat the illegitimate Barack Obama in November.

    What happened to you? Did you and the CBC crew become so desperate to make your play before the Latino population bomb explodes that you would sell your soul like this?

    Truly disturbing. And the RFK junk was the last straw.

    See you on the battlefield, Donna. There will be “Kumbaya”s to be sung in our party once McCain is president. Then, the healing can begin in earnest and those such as yourself who went rogue can begin offering up your apologies.

    Sincerely,

    Paul F. Villarreal

    Nobody is fooled, Donna. We all clearly see the game you, Wilder, Clyburn, Jackson, Jr. and the rest have run. And we’re angry about it and looking to make sure you all — along with your strawman vessel Bambi — get what is coming to you in November.

    You stole the party. Now it’s time for us to take it back.

  530. rgb44hrc Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Enjoy your convention held in a tent.
    ——————-
    LOL!!!!!! Actually the Denver airport is under a tent, so that’s not too far out.

  531. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) Says:
    June 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Djia & skmf12 — The “Primary the Benedict Arnolds” website is going to have to wait a bit, at least on my end, because the most important thing to me is to make sure Obama is defeated. When he is defeated then working to oust the Judases can begin in earnest.

    $$$ It could feature a segment “Profiles in Cowardice”, featuring many of our “favorite” Damnocrats in their “finest” moments.

    I agree with 1950’s, I don’t want Hillary in any way associated with Bambi or his ticket. While trying to get her as a VP choice is wise politically, in actuality she needs to be as far away from Rezko Boy as possible so that when he falls she does not go down with him.

    It is a shame that Rengel, etc. turned against HRC, but it is not surprising. These people are politicians, after all, meaning that most lack the stomach for doing the right thing and instead often fall-in with doing the expedient one.

    $$$ There’s one Profile in Cowardice…

    HRC’s decision to suspend her campaign, given the circumstances, is, I believe, the correct choice. No concession, just a suspension.

    $$$ If Obama were in her shoes (only 120ish behind in “regular” delegates), he’d take it to the convention: “Look, I have as many popular votes as her, almost as many pledged, and I want my place at the convention, not for myself, but for the vast numbers of people that want me to represent them”. Besides, we have no idea what campaign-ending problem might crop up in the next few weeks, and if she’s already conceded, the DNC would be recruiting Gore or someone other than the “Divisive, Polarizing Hillary Rodham Clinton”.

    Some are leaving the site, and you will be missed. I am staying here through November, at least. There is a tremendous amount of work to be done to help HRC become either 44 or 45, so the sooner we dive into that the faster it can be completed.

    $$ I’m sticking around. The people here have tons of energy, are well informed, and principled.

    The best news, however, is that our desire to defeat Obama is easily attained. So long as we stay disciplined in November we cannot fail and there is no way in which Barack McGovern can win. Combining this ballot box strategy with a firm commitment to help McCain will result in Barack’s electoral destruction.

    $$$ Amen to that. Talk about “low hanging fruit”. NJ, CA, and other blue states WILL turn on Obama, especially since the Republicans were smart this time and picked their most centrist, qualified person. The Dems prefer the newbie, with 1/3 of a Senate term under his belt, who has the most liberal rating, and has used race to fracture the Dem party. November is going to be very happy for us, either with Hillary, or McCain.

    NOBAMA.

  532. birdgal, i doubt they could have any lower of a opinion of Hillary at this point……….do you???

  533. This is like the old bob barker show with two doors. Door 1 was nominate Hillary Clinton win the election and bring back peace and prosperity. Door 2 was nominate Obama lose the election and bring prolonge and quite possibly exacerbate the current malaise.

    That was precisely the choice facig the DNC and a majority of superdelegates. Many have made a profoundly stupid choice. They have placed the interests of an elitist cabal before the interests of the country–which is a high crime. This will be increasingly clear with time.

    In this minor moment moment of triumph these people would do well to remember what slaves whispered in the ear of Roman emperors when they returned from foreign wars: sic transit gloria mundi–all glory is fleeting.

    When the time comes that all men realize what these elites have foisted upon us we will be there to savor the moment. The enemy of my enemy is my friend–wish I knew the Latin on that one.

  534. He doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of winning Florida. Gore and Kerry lost it, point blank honesty ‘straight talk’ most Cuban-Americans don’t like AAs. He’ll never win Florida.

    I just called the CNN newsroom and asked why the Rezko story wasn’t featured on the web page. I suggest those of you with time join my effort, I put them on the defensive by asking if CNN was part of an orchestrated blackout of negative coverage of Hussein.

    1-404-827-1500, I selected option 1 ‘if you have a news tip’.

  535. Just on Fox News

    new website: hillary clintons supporters for McCain

    h t t p : / / hcsfjm.com/

  536. That hillary clinton supporters for john mccain site has had close to 500 K visitors in 4 days!

    boooyahhhhh

  537. well mr. bho, if you think you saw the “claws come out”..YOU AIN”T SEEN NOTHIN YET !!!!

  538. Why did the blog go down for at least 5 minutes? What has happened that everyone got on once!

  539. I think there is such traffic it is causing the blog a problem. I keep being restricted from entering, and then I can go in, in few minutes.

    Admin any idea what is going on?

  540. wow! i just had my first BOT email me! LOL here is our conversation
    oh and i have included his email here in case anyone wishes to share some McCain love with him as well 😀

    On Wed, 6/4/08, daniel malinski wrote:

    From: daniel malinski
    Subject: Re: it’s a good thing…
    To: luvcowboys63@yahoo.com
    Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 12:21 PM

    Stealing? Wow…ok, good luck with that. And good luck with voting for the creepy old guy, and his Bush like policies. That makes sense, punish everyone because you didn’t get your way. Sounds like sour grapes…actually, sounds cult like.

    On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Deborah wrote:

    daniel

    I am not supporting the party not by a long shot I am American first,second and Last!

    I will be supporting the REAL NOMINEE Sen. Hillary Clinton!!
    and IF the “party” and Barack Obama are successful at stealing
    this nomination i along with my brothers and sister supporters of
    Hillary clinton are fully prepared and ready to cast our votes for the
    second best candidate………McCain!

    I am so proud to tell you that Obama will NEVER be elected with out us!

    GO HILLARY all the way to denver baby! 🙂

    — On Tue, 6/3/08, daniel malinski wrote:

    From: daniel malinski
    Subject: it’s a good thing…
    To: luvcowboys63@yahoo.com
    Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:19 PM

    You should go to Denver and support the party and the nominee…glad to see there’s no grudge.


    Daniel E. Malinski
    daniel.malinski@gmail.com
    217.621.3821
    DISCLAIMER: This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even if I didn’t mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, then delete the message and forget it ever happened. By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, “the intended recipient”. 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it in conversations or on my blog. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of you, your company, and family members. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.


    Daniel E. Malinski
    daniel.malinski@gmail.com
    217.621.3821
    DISCLAIMER: This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even if I didn’t mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, then delete the message and forget it ever happened. By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, “the intended recipient”. 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it in conversations or on my blog. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of you, your company, and family members. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.

  541. djia, is this site going to be taken down, if so where will I find all of you all again? This thing is not over yet, we have 3 full months of nasty comments to put us with. THe misogynistic males pundits are letting it all hang out now, so we MUST stick together!

  542. I am sick and tired of all of the news anchors and pollsters telling everyone that we are going to get in line and support Obama. They under estimate us as usual.

  543. “I just spoke to Hillary’s Main Campaign office and she IS NOT conceding. In fact I was told that Hillary’s campaign just hired some new people today.

    But by endorsing, isn’t she implicitly conceding. Why would you endorse your opponent if you still intend to stay in the race? I don’t get it.

  544. paul v,

    you talked about starting up a web site for us to organize for
    mccain, and doing a ‘starter video’, on campaigning for mccain.

    has that been done?

    i am reluctant to join some of the sites i’ve been visiting, unless i
    personally know some of these people.
    i had a bad experience on another site, that turned out to be
    a faux hillary site, and the bots wouldnt stop for a while.

    whenever someone wants my personal address, i have to think
    twice about giving it. and so i would like to know that there are
    some reliable people out there.

    i know for a fact that the ‘i love cowboy group is safe’, and thats
    because we are all from here, anyone else i dont know.

    BUT I ASK YOU, WHY WOULD WE LEAVE HERE?
    ADMIN, SAID A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO THIS WOULD TURN INTO A
    WORK SITE, TO GET STUFF DONE. HAS THAT CHANGED?

  545. Admin, can you help me locate the list of states and state requirements for a write-in campaign? I saw it somewhere and I think it was on the Big Pink.

    Thank you in advance.

    I just became a PUMA Democrate; and the memo is out to Obamabots who are deriding the PUMA’s; the Moderator returned and has taken back over the helm now.

  546. “filbertsf Says:
    But by endorsing, isn’t she implicitly conceding. Why would you endorse your opponent if you still intend to stay in the race? I don’t get it.”

    Filbertsf, she has to, the undemocratic Democratic Party is requiring it; and both she and Obama had promised [because they had to] to endorse the other should they get be the Presumptive Nominee.

    SHE HAS TO; but she does not have to like it.

  547. Well, I have been pretty ill, emotionally and physically, since Tuesday night. I thought the repugs were the undemocratic party, but oh how I was wrong. Don’t anyone blame Hillary for having to endorse this fraud…she and Bill built up the democratic party, and likeit or not, she does not want to be accused(which, off course, if he loses, she will be anyway) of destroying it. I am sure she has little or no use for Obama, but has to way the possibilities of what she can do to keep our dream alive, even if that means waiting till 2012 or 2016. I it a hard pill to swallow, and as proud as Hillary and Bill are, you know they are not digesting it very well, but they , and to an extent all of us, could never see this happening….I mean who in the right mind though a empty suit like BO win this nomination? I blame mostly the DNC, Clyburn, and other racr baiters, and the ignorant young people who will go to war b/c our enemies will realize what a weak leader OB will be. Moreover, Israel ain’t waiting for bambi to take out IrAN NUKESW…THE SHIT WILL LITERALLY HIT THE FAN SOON..LETS SEE HOW bo DEALS WITH IT.

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