The Democratic? Party Fractures

As Monkeybusiness writes – Keep making those calls to South Dakota and Montana.

South Dakota’s Argus Leader made a wise decision when it endorsed Hillary Clinton.

…Clinton is the strongest Democratic candidate for South Dakota.

Her mastery of complex policy detail is broad and deep, and her experience as a senator and former first lady matches that.

Measured against her opponent, Clinton is philosophically more moderate. That is likely a good thing for South Dakota.

Clinton’s energy policy is forward thinking and wise. She advocates a broad federal research initiative to help solve our looming oil crisis. It’s a plan that would join university researchers, private industry and individual inventors behind a common goal. [snip]

Clinton has demonstrated a real commitment to Native American issues and will have visited several South Dakota reservations before the race is over. Clinton is precisely correct when she says that people outside the region have a poor understanding of the troubling trends on our reservations. Federal attention could help. That includes but is not limited to higher-ranking posts in the federal bureaucracy.

Her truly universal health care plan would be welcomed by thousands of South Dakotans. Even on reservations, where health care is nominally universal already, such a plan would be welcome. The federal government would never be allowed to subject everyday Americans to the kind of care Native Americans living on reservations routinely receive.

Obama is justifiably credited as a powerful speaker, but Clinton holds her own easily. As those who have attended her South Dakota rallies can attest, she is quick on her feet and energetic. She frames her ideas clearly in speeches and answers questions with genuine directness.

Her resilience and determination never should be questioned. She has met or overcome every challenge or roadblock in her way, and there have been many. Her determination to carry the nomination process through to its real conclusion has perhaps earned her a grudging respect from those who would never support her.

Clinton might not win this race. In fact, it’s a long shot. But whatever some might say, the race is not over, and her name is on the ballot. Win or lose, she’s also the best Democratic candidate for South Dakota.

As wise as the Argus Leader’s decision was, the Democratic? Party has fractured itself with an historically repugnant decision. Dana Milbank described the decision

The chaos and vitriol seemed to confirm Democrats’ fears that they might blow an election that should otherwise be an easy victory for them. Nor did the compromise fit well with the Democrats’ oft-voiced commitment to voting rights. They decided they would give Florida and Michigan half of their voting rights — one of the more arbitrary compromises since the 1787 decision that a slave should count as three-fifths of a person — and voted to award Obama 59 Michigan delegates, each with half a vote, even though his name wasn’t even on the ballot in the state.

As wise as the Argus Leader’s decision was, the Democratic? Party has fractured itself with an historically stupid decision that is repugnant to core Democratic principles. We will not accept the CULTURE OF CORRUPTION at the Democratic? National Committee.

It happened as Alice Germond, secretary of the Democratic National Committee who so far has remained neutral in the presidential race, started talking about the civil rights movement as well as the importance of playing by the rules. Suddenly it dawned on the Hillary Clinton supporters in the audience that the committee was not going to go their way. “I was incredibly proud to come down here as a student on the mall and listen to Dr. Martin Luther King talk about civil rights,” said Germond, as the crowd simultaneously began to hiss, cheer and shush, her voice being drowned out by the roar. “We are not the current administration who plays lose with rules,” Germond continued, her voice rising a little desperately to dampen down the onslaught of outrage that was just beginning. “I’m feeling very badly that we can’t seat Michigan and Florida in full,” she virtually yelled over shouts of “Shame on you!”

The noise they made was the sound of the Democratic Party fracturing: one third for Obama cheering, one third for Clinton booing and the rest, including the chagrined members of the panel, frantically hushing both sides as if to say, ‘Don’t go there, don’t show the Republicans how dysfunctional we are.’ It was also a cry of desperation, because the panel’s ruling virtually ensured that the door was slamming on Clinton, who with three races to go now has little chance of overcoming Obama’s lead. The meeting only went downhill from there, with committee co-chair Alexis Herman pounding the gavel in a vain attempt to restore order and Harold Ickes, a senior Clinton advisor and member of the committee, claiming the panel was “hijacking” democracy and threatening to appeal the ruling well into the summer.

A backroom deal during a “closed-door” session sealed the corrupt bargain pushed by Obama, master of a Chicago Corrupt Culture.

Instead, the panel’s lunch turned into a three-hour closed-door session, during which the members finally agreed on a compromise — though it was basically the position taken by the Obama campaign, not to mention the one Republicans smartly came up with for their side long before the disputed primaries took place: seat both delegations but grant each only half a vote per delegate as a penalty. In what the Obama campaign called a “gift” to Clinton they agreed to seat Florida’s delegates based on the results of that state’s January 29th primary, yielding Clinton a net gain of 19 delegates. “A concession? Give me a break. Under their formula Hillary Clinton loses delegates,”scoffed Ickes. “It’s just a perversion of words to call it a concession.”

Hillary Supporters will not endorse the Culture of Corruption infecting the Democratic? Party.

“Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee,” said Ickes, referring to the committee of appeal. “There’s been a lot of talk about party unity let’s all come together and put our arms around each other. I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, than hijacking four delegates … is not a good way to start down the path of party unity.”

Ickes’ angry sermon, as it turned out, was just the prelude to a near total meltdown at the end. The other committee members grimaced at the shouts of derision, which included chants of “McCain 08,””Bastards,” and “Denver,” an echo of their hopes that Clinton would take her case all the way to the Democratic National Convention to be held in August in Denver. After the meeting adjourned, women sat on the floor sobbing, while others, like Pennsylvania voter Betty Jean King, 60, a retired teacher from Shippensburg, ranted to television cameras: “If it’s not Hillary, I’m voting for McCain. 17 million people voted for Hillary and I’m telling you many of them are going to defect.

On To Denver!


607 thoughts on “The Democratic? Party Fractures

  1. here is what i just emailed cavuto, along with my contact info which i obviously left out here for obvious reasons 😀

    Harriet Christian Speaks for me and millions of others

    It’s funny how no one wants to believe that we will

    Walk on over to McCain without a second look back

    But time will tell the TRUTH!!

    We are not racists, We are Brilliant!! We have done our

    Own investigating since the main stream media chose

    To not do their jobs and report the facts and do the investigating

    For us. TRUTH will always prevail….which is why we are

    Deflecting to McCain if the DNC and OBAMA STEAL

    This election from Hillary Clinton.

    It has been disgusting how blatant the Sexism and double standard

    Had been allowed to be during this entire primary. We will not forget

    Party unity means nothing to us, We are Americans first above democrats

    And I would love to come on your show, me and a few other’s and tell you

    And the world how we feel…..but then you probably wouldn’t want to hear

    Our voices for yourself would you! You probably want to HIDE US under

    The bus.


  2. CountTheVotes Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I have Cavuto with Harriet Christian taped on my cable box DVR – but I don’t know how to make Youtubes (me bad).

    You need a tv card in your computer like (TV Wonder)
    Then you run cables from tv to computer and cut and paste

    It is not difficult and is fun to do. My card recently died and haven’t got a new one yet

  3. Just saw this linked on Taegan Goddard’s site. You won’t like it, but we need to be prepared for this possibility:

    Hillary Clinton has summoned top donors and backers to attend her New York speech tomorrow night in an unusual move that is being widely interpreted to mean she plans to suspend her campaign and endorse Barack Obama – if not that night, within a day or two.

    Obama and Clinton spoke Sunday night and agreed that their staffs should begin negotiations over post-primary activities, according to reliable sources. In addition to seeking Obama’s help in raising money to pay off some $20 million-plus in debts, Clinton is known to want Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians.

    “This has never happened before,” one donor said, referring to the personalized request by email to attend the event in New York Tuesday night.

    In an afternoon conference call today with about two dozen top fundraisers, Clinton strategist Harold Ickes spoke in very conciliatory terms about Obama, in contrast to his tougher rhetoric in public and on television, according to sources. He told the participants that Clinton wants to “significantly” help Obama, but he did not go so far as saying that she will announce withdrawal — that is the prerogative of the candidate.

  4. djia can you post Cavuto’s email here?

    We should all send her words of gratitude

    She was great on the interview

    A woman with a strong spine

  5. I also anxiously awaited the “Whitey” tape story this morning. I read it and then had to be gone for the day. I admit I was terribly disappointed. If there was no more than that available, why did it have to wait until this morning to be published? At this point, all I can do is hope the tape, if it is as advertised, is made public long before Denver.

  6. I believe Obama would not be trapped if asked about that video. He would probably just say he knows nothing about any such video. He would effectively stall it until it was too late to matter to Hillary.

  7. ADMIN any chance in getting the rest of that interview??? it was much longer than that video shows

  8. I agree with wbboei that Hillary should not suspend her campaign. On the other hand I have to believe she and BC will make the right decision on her strategy.

  9. it’s looking like Harriet is going to get more air time today on fox……AM Elec HQ just showed a blip of her after the RBC meeting

    Harriet…..the soup de jour 😀

  10. Clinton absolutely “not conceding” 😀


    June 02, 2008
    Clinton rejects concession buzz

    Ken Vogel reports from the Clinton bubble a Clinton spokesman is pushing back on the notion of a concession soon, something even many of her aides and top supporters now expect.

    Hillary Clinton will not drop out of the presidential race Tuesday or in several days that follow, the spokesman,Mo Elleithee, said Monday afternoon.

    “It’s pretty clear that she’s not conceding,” Elleithee told reporters on Clinton’s campaign plane en route from Rapid City, S.D. to Sioux City, Iowa.

    Instead, Elleithee said Clinton would be “aggressively courting” superdelegates and “putting together the next phase of the campaign,” which he said could include campaign events around the country.

    He acknowledged that advance staff – the folks who precede Clinton to campaign sites to plan the highly choreographed events – were being given the option of coming to New York for Clinton’s election night party Tuesday or to “go home for a couple days. Take a break.”

    But he said they’re being told, “either way, stand by your phones, because when we decide where we’re going next, we’re going to be burning up your cell phone.”

    He also rejected speculation that inviting donors’ to her election night event in New York was a sign the campaign is wrapping up.

    It’s standard operating procedure to invite donors to election night events, said Elleithee, adding “it’s a great way to close out this stage of the campaign.”

    Clinton will not be spending election day in either Montana or South Dakota. Instead, she is flying to New York early Tuesday morning and will be spending the day with her family, as well as doing interviews with media outlets in Montana and South Dakota and calling superdelegates.

    Elleithee said that may include some pledged to rival Barack Obama, who is on the cusp of locking up the nomination.

    Other Clinton aides, however, cautioned Monday that none outside Clinton’s tight inner circle — her husband, daughter, and two or three aides — are sure what she’s going to do. Many of her staff and supporter expect her to leave the race this week.

  11. May 14, 2008 – Hillary has won more Congressional districts
    by Josey on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:43:53 PM EST

    >>>More importantly, however, is a number the Obama campaign and many media outlets haven’t discussed: Clinton has now won the popular vote in 195 US Congressional Districts. That number is important because of the relative equality of each congressional district. This number is important because too date Barack Obama has only won the popular vote in 187 congressional districts. If you include Florida & Michigan’s 2.3 million voters who showed up in record numbers on Election Day despite being disenfranchised, the congressional district victories look like this:

    Clinton – 227 Congressional Districts
    Obama – 195 Congressional Districts
    Apology if this was already posted in the previous thread – if so, then it bears repeating. This is an important metric!

  12. Thanks djia

    We all need to send her a big thank you. The woman has guts and a spine of steel. We need to send her our support. I have posted

    the email in a couple of Hillary friendly places. Let’s send her lots of love

  13. laney that was cavuto’s email not harriet christians……wish i had her email I would send her flowers! 😀

  14. Clyburn endorsed Obama? This came from left field. No one could have predicted this. After playing the race card and mudslinging at Hillary, I just thought he was playing hard to get.

    How will I ever get over this disappointment?

  15. If Hillary protests the RBC then it puts the number of delegates necessary in a flux again .. he can’t claim the nomination if there is a dispute .. however, whatcha wanna bet they would throw out her claim and deny her taking it to the floor .. someway the RBC would do this.

    This would still buy time though for the bottom to fall out of the rest of Bambis campaign ..

    she’d have to start campaigning across the country like a GE and that is gonna take a lot of dough ..

    I know this .. the anger is building across the country .. don’t know if it will die down by November and a lot is going to hinge on what happens in the rest of the Bush administration.

  16. also, can she start using the GE money she has set aside once the primaries are over .. or is that only to be used IF she is the nominee?

  17. From TM: Great article
    Why SD’s need to ignore Pelosi, Dean and Reid by M. Rubin

    The last time a political leader rushed this county into something, we ended up in Iraq. But last week Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Howard Dean let it be known that they want the uncommitted super delegates to declare within 48 hours of the last primary on Tuesday….

  18. From Politico:

    Ken Vogel reports from the Clinton bubble a Clinton spokesman is pushing back on the notion of a concession soon, something even many of her aides and top supporters now expect.

    Hillary Clinton will not drop out of the presidential race Tuesday or in several days that follow, the spokesman,Mo Elleithee, said Monday afternoon.

    “It’s pretty clear that she’s not conceding,” Elleithee told reporters on Clinton’s campaign plane en route from Rapid City, S.D. to Sioux City, Iowa.

    Instead, Elleithee said Clinton would be “aggressively courting” superdelegates and “putting together the next phase of the campaign,” which he said could include campaign events around the country.

    He acknowledged that advance staff – the folks who precede Clinton to campaign sites to plan the highly choreographed events – were being given the option of coming to New York for Clinton’s election night party Tuesday or to “go home for a couple days. Take a break.”

    But he said they’re being told, “either way, stand by your phones, because when we decide where we’re going next, we’re going to be burning up your cell phone.”

    He also rejected speculation that inviting donors’ to her election night event in New York was a sign the campaign is wrapping up.

    It’s standard operating procedure to invite donors to election night events, said Elleithee, adding “it’s a great way to close out this stage of the campaign.”

    Clinton will not be spending election day in either Montana or South Dakota. Instead, she is flying to New York early Tuesday morning and will be spending the day with her family, as well as doing interviews with media outlets in Montana and South Dakota and calling superdelegates.

    Elleithee said that may include some pledged to rival Barack Obama, who is on the cusp of locking up the nomination.

    Other Clinton aides, however, cautioned Monday that none outside Clinton’s tight inner circle — her husband, daughter, and two or three aides — are sure what she’s going to do. Many of her staff and supporter expect her to leave the race this week.

  19. Wow! So we now know that Hillary: (a) won the popular vote, and (b) won more congressional districts than Obama, and (c) using all current polling data available, she would win more electoral votes than Obama in terms of electoral votes in the GE.

    We also know that this year’s primary was the closest in history, by a wide margin, according to the New York Times:

    Given all these facts, is there any rational way Hillary could NOT go on all the way to Denver?! Many, many other primaries in American histories have been decided at the convention, often in unpredictable fashion. It would be crazy not to continue this campaign.

  20. Here’s the article in full from TM

    The last time a political leader rushed this county into something, we ended up in Iraq. But last week Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Howard Dean let it be known that they want the uncommitted super delegates to declare within 48 hours of the last primary on Tuesday.

    In an election this close where one candidate is going to finish the popular vote winner and the other with a delegate lead of less than 5% out of 4000 delegates, (and a lead that is to say the least, tainted both by the decisions regarding Florida and Michigan and the fact that the Democrats’ apportionment system awards almost as many delegates to a candidate who gets crushed as it does to the landslide winner).trying to force super delegates to make up their minds before they actually have to when there is so much to consider makes no sense.

    Its an exercise in incompetent leadership which is what you would expect from someone with a lower job approval rating than George Bush which is exactly what Pelosi and Reid have. As for Dean, does the Democratic Party really want listen to what is best for winning a Presidential election from Mr. Yee Hah himself?

    Pelosi needs to be told to keep her nose out of it. Pelosi and Reid have achieved what most people would have thought impossible — they have led the Democratically controlled congress to a lower job approval rating than George W. Bush.If super delegates are to exercise any judgment at all before the week is out it should be to ignore them.

    Nancy Pelosi and Reid have demonstrated that they have the political instincts of a couple of drunken sailors on shore leave on Bali on a Saturday night.

    Right now all of the metrics for the fall election ( which if Obama gets the nomination is going to be renamed the gall election) favor Clinton by a mile. She performs better than Obama against McCain not only in electoral votes by a substantial margin on the RCP electoral vote map but because she creates more toss up states than he does,with many of the toss ups in McCain’s column against Obama, (30 for Clinton 6 for Obama) Obama’s totals aren’t going to change much and give the Democrats a better chance at winning states that went Republican in 2004 than he does.

    With an electoral vote lead of 38 it wouldn’t take much of a swing to give McCain the election. And these maps are NOT taking into consideration the reality that if Obama were to get the nomination, 95% of Clinton voters are not going to support him or vote for him. That would change the RCP electoral map substantially in favor of McCain.

    Clinton with a 61 vote lead in the electoral college is more likely to add to that lead because most of the toss up states in a Clinton McCain match up are states that go Republican against Obama. And in the important state that went Republican in 2004 that the Democrats need in November( W.Va, Kentucky, Ohio, Florida) all are in the Republican camp vs Obama but become toss ups with Clinton.

    In the match ups the news is even better for Clinton and worse for Obama.On their map Clinton is leading McCain 327-194 with 17 toss ups with Clinton winning Ohio, W. Va, Kentucky, and Florida. The Obama map shows a close race with Obama ahead only 276-238 with 24 toss ups but losing Florida, Ky, and W.Va and barely winning Ohio. And again this map is not factoring in the certainty that Clinton voters will desert the Democratic Party if Obama is the nominee.

    There is so much for super delegates to think about that for Pelosi, Reid and Dean to be pressuring anyone to make a decision after the last primary because they are afraid of “damage” being done to the Democrats chances in the fall shows that these are people more worried about not losing than winning. It also shows they are driven by fear and weakness which Pelosi and Reid have shown for two years, getting bamboozled by the Republicans.

    The last thing super delegates or anyone in the Democratic party needs to do now at a crucial time is listen to Nancy Pelosi. About anything. A job approval rating lower than George w. Bush qualifies you to stop talking and nothing else.

    Obama is finishing out the primary season in a whimper and momentum seems to be on Clinton’s side. The metrics for Clinton keep getting better including polls which show her leading now in the Democratic preference for the nomination. This in spite of all of Obama’s dog and pony shows trying to act like its over and that he is the winner.

    And every day there is something else coming out about Obama that even more assuredly guarantees his defeat, the latest being Obama’s recent decision to leave his church over another pastor problem. Dont forget, this is the church that Obama said when the Wright story first broke, was “not particularly controversial”. It’s getting pretty crowded now under Obama’s bus.

    More recently is the buzz about a video showing Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan together on a panel at Obama’s non controversial Trinity Church, with Michelle Obama doing a rant about “whitey”.

    In other words there is a lot to think about. And a lot that can happen. Super delegates need to digest and deliberate. Two months is a long time in politics and once a nominee is picked there is no going back.

    There is more than two months before the convention. Pelosi,Reid and Dean need to be ignored and all their vacuous chicken little reasons for trying to force a decision brushed aside.

    If super delegates aren’t going to ignore political leaders with a lower job approval rating than Bush, and rush into something when it isn’t necessary, then they shouldn’t be surprised that if they make the wrong decision, when the convention opens in August, the Democratic Party is going to look like Baghdad.

  21. There is absolutely no reason for her to drop out, he plainly hasn’t beaten her! The SD’s will make the decision and they can not vote until August, so what can they do with her?

    I thought Fox was going to come thru for us, but you know you just can’t trust FOX!

  22. Marc Rubin writes excellent articles. I saw that one on TM.

    I heard, Clyburn endorsed. Wow. What a surprise (not). Who would have thunk?

  23. Wasn’t there a rigso who used to post here? If so, they’ve decided to convert to Obama. Can you imagine all this time and NOW they convert. Turncoat.

  24. cbsnews confirms-she aint dropping out-
    June 2, 2008, 3:59 PM
    Clinton Spokesman: She Won’t Drop Out Tomorrow
    Posted by Fernando Suarez| 73

    (CBS)From CBS News’ Fernando Suarez:

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. — A Hillary Clinton spokesman told reporters on a flight over South Dakota that Clinton has no plans of dropping out of the race at her election night celebration in New York City tomorrow night.

    “She is in this race until we have a nominee, she still believes there is a path for her to become that nominee,” said spokesman Mo Elleithee. “I think it’s pretty clear that she is not conceding.” When asked “Will you deny that she is dropping out tomorrow night?” Elleithee responded, “Yes.”

    Elleithee went as far as to say that the campaign is currently working on the upcoming schedule saying they are “putting it together now, we’re looking to where we may go.”

    Meantime, CBS News Chief Political Consultant Marc Ambinder reports that a prominent Democrat who spoke to Clinton today was told by her directly that she will not drop out tomorrow.

    The notion that the Clinton campaign is continuing to look forward to the general election is hard to swallow given the fact the Barack Obama is 46 delegates away from clinching the party’s nomination. When asked if Clinton would accept the 2,118 delegate number as the threshold to capture the nomination, Elleithee vaguely left open the possibility that the campaign may challenge the Michigan ruling at the convention.

    Elleithee also denied reports that the Obama and Clinton campaigns have been in conversations on how to end the race. Elleithee said Obama called Clinton last night to congratulate her on her win in Puerto Rico and categorized the call as “very short, very pleasant.”

  25. confloyd

    I didn’t see a senator on, just heard that obama picked up delegates from 20 senators today

  26. South Dakota

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 56% to 39% among men (46% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 63% to 29%.

    Clinton leads 57% to 38% among voters age 18 to 49 (46% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 63% to 30% among voters age 50 and older.

    11% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 27% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

  27. Montana

    She may just win both last primaries,looks like she’ll definitely win SD.

    but in Montana

    Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 56% to 35% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 52% to 41%.

    Obama leads 49% to 45% among voters age 18 to 49 (44% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Obama leads 48% to 43% among voters age 50 and older.

    26% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 15% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

  28. That would be hilarious if Hillary won both primaries tomorrow night and chickenshit tries to declare he’s won.

  29. ARG have been spot on since Ohio and had it right every time, i don’t this at all tomorrow.

    SD looks in the bag.

  30. sorry, i don’t doubt this is right, ARG has had it right for quite a while now

    Amazing, the so called front runner to lose practically all the last primaries would be just pathetic.

  31. For those of you who didn’t see my post yesterday:


    I thought I’d let you all know that I went to Hillary’s victory speech at the Condado Plaza Hotel. What tremendous excitement. As the co-head of her campaign said, “We Puerto Ricans don’t give away our votes. They have to be earned. And Hillary really earned them!”

  32. # djia Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    laney that was cavuto’s email not harriet christians……wish i had her email I would send her flowers! 😀

    I know, but I think he will forward emails if asked
    Now the interview is posted on youtube, so send good comments

  33. djia Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
    I didn’t see a senator on, just heard that obama picked up delegates from 20 senators today


    Harkin had a meeting with the senators today, it was confirmed that only 4 out of 18 showed up. there is no official announcement on all of them going to BHO

  34. MOON……..we’ve got to keep our positive energy flowing for and towards Hillary!! and Pray hard for a blow out in SD and a win by any measure in MT 😀

    That would be a huge B*!$%H slap to obama and the entire DNC 😀

  35. Emmy, I love peurtoe rico!!! You all are the bomb digity!

    The bots are saying BO’s numbers in SD are off because his drones were at his rallies.

  36. thanks Debbie!

    that is awesome news i hadn’t heard that!!! WOW!! LOL

    I guess perhaps SD’s aren’t going to be running to obieonekanobama

  37. I’d be careful of the polls, it would be a cruel trick to believe them and then watch Hillary lose.

  38. Anyone else noticed no polls done elsewhere today for SD and Montana, only ARG, are they afraid to tell us something.

  39. Emmy – is that was Kenneth McClintock? – he was great yesterday on Geraldo. Articulate and speaking directly to the Superdelegates about Hillary’s electability with Hispanics.

  40. posted on TM. Very moving. I think this is from Corbett who has the radio show in PA.


    I will not compromise my PRINCIPLES! I will not unify behind a party of cheaters and liars who have shown us what the true definition of MORAL AND ETHICAL BANKRUPTCY is. I find it completely offensive and in full contradiction of AUTHENTIC Democratic principles and values.

    No…I will not line up at the edge of the cliff so that I can simply be pushed off because the “party leaders” have instructed its sheeple to do the deed. How in the hell can anyone with sound mind consider such an act a promotion of “Unity”???

    This weekend, the ENTIRE world saw that the Democratic Party is NO DIFFERENT than the Republican Party. Nice work, Dean and Brazille. You have done a spectacular job of LEVELING the “moral” playing field. I, for one, will not blindly follow “leaders” that clearly lack any semblance of a moral compass. I WILL NOT SELL MY SOUL. The expectation that any of us would do so is REPULSIVE on its face.

    Everyday I walk into my high school classroom and I encourage my students to honor their values and beliefs. I will not become a hypocrite in order to appease the crooked and corrupt elements within my own party. I may be the last woman standing but I REFUSE to model behavior that will compromise my integrity. The youth of America deserve better than this.

    Don’t tell me it’s a pile of rose petals when it’s a pile of horseshit.

    “…the power of believing in a PRINCIPLE.”- S. Corbett

    princess peanut | 06.02.2008 – 6:03 pm | #

  41. # djia Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    laney that was cavuto’s email not harriet christians……wish i had her email I would send her flowers! 😀

    I know, but I think he will forward them if asked
    The interview is on youtube. Send good vibes

  42. Debbie, ARG has had 99% accuracy on polls since March 4th, they had Ohio, texas, KY, WV, Penn and the rest down to a T. I have no doubt SD now, thats a 26% gap, you can’t fuck that up by any measure.

  43. ok, maybe it’s not from Corbett, just the end quote. Maybe it was princess peanut speaking.

  44. Great news on SD, can’t believe it. Also can’t believe some of the stories I’m seeing elsewhere, don’t like the tone of them.

    Then again I could say that about 99% of the ones I’ve seen this election.

  45. # mj Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Emmy, I love peurtoe rico!!! You all are the bomb digity!

    The bots are saying BO’s numbers in SD are off because his drones were at his rallies.

    BO was there on Sunday – at the Cow Palace in a place called Mitchell. I don’t think BO was in SD all weekend. Doubt it.

  46. You see, if HRC wins SD tomorrow, it blows a huge hole in his arguments, he won states around it because they were caucuses and not primaries.

  47. Remember there is 8% undecided in MT. Hopefully the UDs will break for her tomorrow.




  48. confloyd……my candle has been going all day today and it will be lit all day tomorrow too 😀

  49. mj, well, that’s too bad. what are you gonna do, right?

    There are people who will stay with you from beginning to end. Others will bail on you and go to what they perceive as greener pasture. That’s when you know who your real friends/supporters are.

  50. ITS ON………..

    ABC News’ Kate Snow and Eloise Harper Report: Clinton spokesperson Mo Elleithee came to the back of the press plane as Clinton flew from Rapid City to Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

    He was asked about Clinton’s definition of when a nominee would be determined -– because
    …………she has refused to accept the new 2,118 delegates number………….
    that the Democratic Party says is needed to clinch the nomination.

  51. what the hell is going on -cnn says 17 senators uncommitted are meeting at the dscc w/harkin about backing bo. um why doest a hillary backing sen hold such a mtg as well? this is insane

  52. Well we don’t have to believe what they are saying and besides they can only vote in Aug. Their endorsements at this point makes no difference. How can they stop her from continuing on? Threaten her, well that will really help them when the fall rolls around, won’t it?

  53. In August, the party will tell all the delegates to will be then when I will be able to tell who will get my vote in their next election

  54. I saw someone post on TM that that statue in the U.S. Rotunda with Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Stanton, should also include Hillary. I would definitely work toward that.

    No matter what happens, her legacy to women will be forever.

  55. I hope some of the Senator have Spines in this meeting. Are they all men?

    All we need is one gutsy person in that meeting saying, wait a minute, tell me why I should be supporting a Person who at the end of the campaign trail has hardly won anything, and who has lost the Popular vote. How are you going to pay off our strong are the American voter into voting for him?

    He seems to be getting weaker rather than stronger. And there there is the ammunition that he has given to the GOP. I am going to have to live with that also.

  56. Confloyd: I feel awkward sharing this here but I’ll do it anyway…If HRC’s birth element is metal per Feng Shui – a lit candle will melt her metal element and will give her a bad chi. On the other hand if her element is earth then lighting a candle is great for her. And here’s what I have learned from Healing Touch – visualizing her being showered with bright white light from head to toe will give her a good karma.

  57. JUst saw a new name for Nancy Pelosi on TM! LOL!! Nasty Pooplosi, it just can’t get any better than that! LOL!! 🙂

    Marc Rubin’s post is good, merely states to the SD’s to not listen to someone that has a lower approval rating than Bush!! LOL!! and that’s the truth!

  58. Let’s just say it like it is –

    The DNC stole the Deocratic nomination from Clinton – plain and simple. She has the most votes IN SPITE of the HIJACKING of I voters as they awarded BHO delegates AND votes from the PHANTOM CANDIDATE.

    Then, to add INSULT to injury, the POOPER-SCOOPER SUPERDELEGATES CAVED by accepting money/bribes/possible admonition by the Dean/Pelosi/Brazile (who said if SD decided this election she would leave the Dem Party – “May I have that in writing, please?”) Coup.

    So, what we have, FORMER fellow Democrats, is a nominee who IS NOT LEGITIMATE. The election has been THROWN by the Marxist members of “New Democratic Party”. Still waiting to hear if they will offer a volkswagen upon filling a book with stamps for good behavior, like Hitler did. Seems they have modeled their new party after the Nazi blueprint. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini – the three stooges. Dean, Pelosi, Brazile – the new three stooges. Ah, cultural diversity. The new NAZI Party.

  59. There is one bright side in all of this, that is if they force her out and she concede’s, after the general election, Nasty Pooplosi,DB and Coward Dean will be history!!!

  60. texan4hillary Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
    what the hell is going on -cnn says 17 senators uncommitted are meeting at the dscc w/harkin about backing bo. um why doest a hillary backing sen hold such a mtg as well? this is insane
    This is all about a bunch a guys and a few women traitors who do not want a female president. It is NOT about losing the nomination but how it was done by the mostly male democratic leaders who think “WE” women will sit down and shut up and let them run everything.

    All we ask is a fair shake and equal opportunity that the democratic party in the past us to fight for but when this party was asked to SHOW it’s value and character…this is what we get….BLANTANT SEXISM AND PLAYING THE RACE CARD…from the DEMOCRATS.

    TOO MANY AMERICANS from ALL backgrounds fought and died for the opportunities the DNC and Team OBAMA has TRASHED all over for power and ambition….and this Black SELLOUT will be DAMNED if I support this CYNICAL political gameship. I will NEVER vote for the politcs of the DALEY “CORRUPTED” MACHINE of corrupted politics….and since I’m NOT a MARXIST OR A COMMUNIST as Brother Obama I can sleep easy voting for McCain if Obama is “crowned” the nominee.

    No wonder the Republicans beat us time and time again….WEAK AZZ LEADERSHIP.

  61. some hillary backing sens need to meet with these guys as well rght? why havent they? asap

  62. and once again……worth repeating….i give you Maya Angelou!

  63. No, that’s the other part of the problem. Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile will retain their THRONES. That matters to them MUCH MORE than winning the White House.

  64. a clue please for the less informed(me) who is harriet christian? I’m going to google her but before I do I would live to know who she is from you.

  65. Curiosity – you’re so RIGHT! They know that they probably will be OUT if Hillary is President. Obama has made so many deals with so many people. It’s hard to know when he will have time to do any work, he’ll be so busy making good on deals. Oh, wait a minute – running the country will be the job of the newly merged Daley-Kennedy mob.

  66. curiosityhasme, the three stooges are on borrowed time, we all know Bo will lose and lose big, then they will be soon replaced! They will also be the laughing stock of the dem party.
    Hillary may have to try again in 2012, if she doesn’t succeed now, but I think she going to succeed, the American people are not going to let this happen. The SD’s can’t vote until August. What can the 3 stooges really do, Hillary has half the dem population behind her!

  67. From the N.Y. Times:

    NASHVILLE – Senator John McCain spent so much of his appearance here at the Ryman Auditorium – one of the ancestral homes of the Grand Ole Opry – hammering Senator Barack Obama that an audience member rose during the question-and-answer session to note that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was still in the race.

    That prompted some distinctly valedictory-sounding praise of Mrs. Clinton from Mr. McCain, as he noted how much he admired her despite their differences on issues.

    “She has inspired generations of American women to believe that they can reach the highest office in this nation,” Mr. McCain said.

    Then, lest it sound too much like a farewell, he added one of the McCain campaign’s standard caveats: that in 1992 they learned never to count a Clinton out.

  68. ADMIN – not sure if this was posted before, but I’m surprised CNN did a hardhitting piece a few days ago on Obama about how he wiped out the competition and Alice Palmer’s political future. This is an excellent piece.

    Not sure how to make Youtube’s active here but could you help?

    Meanwhile, I went to NC to volunteer and met this woman from Chicago who is part of Alice Palmer’s “Clinton Therapy” group she called it. A group of women who meet to detox from the toxic media bias against Clinton and to mutually support one another.

  69. Exactly. Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile’s political futures are all directly tied to Obambi getting elected. It’s why they’ve been fretting so much!

  70. henry, She is the lady in the video Admin posted. She was the one who told DNC to go and fu*k themselves. She was on Cavuto show. Watch the video!

  71. Sooner or later, the Dean, Pelosi, Brazile cabal will be fretting. They are going down in Nov if Obama becomes the candidate.

    Not only will Republicans be outting their cabal, but Democrats will then be calling for their heads.

  72. Henry, Harriet is the lady in that YouTube video above. She’s a staunched supporter who attended the RBC protest and declared that she will not vote for BO if he’s nominated. She’s been called a racist by the bots.

  73. cl99
    i watched the videos and greatly appreciate the woman for her words i had just never heard of her before and was curious about who she was. She spoke well and held her own so I assumed she was someone of note.

  74. filbertsf Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    Henry, Harriet is the lady in that YouTube video above. She’s a staunched supporter who attended the RBC protest and declared that she will not vote for BO if he’s nominated. She’s been called a racist by the bots.

    Isn’t it getting tiring, being called a racist, if you don’t vote for waffles? One would think, they would be nice to Hillary supporters. You know, in the name of unity and kumbaya. (roll eyes)

  75. There was another woman in DC that got kicked out and she had bruises. She said that the democrats had given her two winners in 40 years and she was sick of them. two winners in 40 years. Some history buff should calculate exactly how many losers that gave us! LOL!! She needs to be on here too!

  76. bird
    I am not a cultural anthropologist but i would think that the unwarrented cries of racism will have a backlash which will be most unfortunate.

  77. Hillary and Bill have many loyal Democrats. I understand that. However, there is also the argument of LEAVING an abusive relationship.

    Reminds me of a marriage, where the loyal spouse (BC & HRC) GIVE ALL (BC first successful two-term President that builds robust US economy with SURPLUS) is the BREADWINNER (BC & HRC largest fund-raisers), only to be dumped by the other spouse (New Democratic Party) for the new flashy paramour (BHO). The “new” DNC & SD, betrays the loyal spouse, and forming the “New Democratic Party” behind the former loyal spouse’s back. They shove the new love (BHO) down the throats of old family members (that would be US). The family (us) rebels – and no longer supports the abusive party.

    The only answer is to LEAVE the “New Democratic Party.” The other alternative, without forming a third party, is to hang around long enough to watch the buyer’s remorse to set in and the fun to lose its glow (losing half of their membership, including women, Latins, and Asians).

    How about a trial separation?

  78. from TM poster Patsy. A rather sobbering post:

    “For those that are inquiring…yes NC is having a SECOND Primary 24 June. Record Turnout but people just voted for the presidential primary and nothing else. Not one thousand, not five thousand, not ten thousand, not twenty thousand, not fourty thousand, not 50 or 75 thousand or 100,000….the number is amazing.

    Its astonishing. Insult our govenor by having college kids bused in to boo him and his wife during a speech, than have state wide primaries again. We dont like this kind of shit in the south.

    People who will never see another primary where a former president and first lady visiting places that still have dirt roads to get to there house. Who appreciated having there gas tank filled up by a former first lady. The former president standing on someones porch in the middle of the damn boondocks.

    And what do we get? A fucking fraud. Chicago style politics. Bullshit lies about 80 percent voter turnout during early voting with 92% AAs voting for him. GET FUCKING REAL.

    This guy has RUINED ruined something most people will never see in this lifetime and it was all based on greed. I listened to how excited my aunt was about seeing HRC in highpoint and how she left early from work to vote just to have this shit happen. It pisses me off.

    People need every dime they get with this economy so standing in a line and leaving work early showed me exactly how she felt. Ya’ll keep thinking this primary was on the up and up if you want. But when BO goes down, I hope its hard because he took away something people did in good faith by choosing who they wanted to represent them in the white house.

    And what about the down ticket dems who have campaigned and raised money? Just to turn around and do it again on 24 June because the fucking Democratic Party chooses to jump on the piece a shit unity pony of the Obama campaign and not find out who he is. Campaigns cost money and I will never support that fraud.

    The Democratic Party can believe that crap about uniting if they want. But this is deeper than voting for either of these three candidates.

    So help me god if Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee all bets are off. The core values and our countries foundation is at stake. This has nothing to do with Senator Clinton or Senator Mccain. Its about fighting for our country, one in which The Obama campaign and the DNC have no problem crapping all over.

    It may be Michelle Obamas first time being proud of her country so the sentiment for fighting against them with everything your worth just might go over there head. Fuck uniting the Democratic Party I am fighting for my country.
    patsy | Homepage | 06.02.2008 – 6:30 pm | # “

  79. on TM which I spoke about yesterday – the coercive way the obamabots deal with Hillary supporters – they are blackmailing Taylor Marsh’s credentials (press credentials I would imagine) to the DNC.

    Your Name: Patricia Deronty

    Your Email:

    Subject: credentials

    Message: Hey bitch.

    Just so you know, there is a petition that is starting to go around the net, that is going to ask the DNC to revoke your credentials to the convention. We screen grabed your front page where you are pushing right wing rumors about Michele Obama and a whitey tape. We don’t want wingnuts masquerading as Democrats, as a blogger with credentials. We plan on getting 100,000 signatures at least to make sure your disgusting ass is not allowed at our convention. Just like Hillary lost bet on it, we will make sure you are not allowed in our convention to smear our nom.

  80. That really sums it up, doesn’t it confloyd? Two winners in 40 years. And only one 2-term president! Speaking of which, consider these two-term Democratic party presidents: Clinton, Roosevelt, Wilson, Cleveland, and Jackson. Each of them went against their own party when it came time to decide many important policy decisions. They were able to work closely with the opposition in order to enact their agendas.

    Contrast that with Obama, the “most liberal” Senator on Capitol Hill, by numerous independent studies of Senate voting records, and who has no track record of bipartisanship, but only divisiveness. The writing on the wall is in 4,000-point typeface: Obama is unelectable.

  81. birdgal, yeah. Call HRC the B-word and you get a knowing chuckle. Dare point out that BO is AA, you’re a racist.

  82. When you used loaded words (hateful angry words) against people who do not deserve them, you are exactly right, there will be a backlash.

    I really don’t think Hillary’s Presidential bid or career are anywhere near coming to a close.

    However, I do think that Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Judas, and a number of others are.

    Many people are angry, and they will not forget. The RNC stole the 2000 election, and the DNC is working on 2008. Ladies and Gentlemen, you need to dust off your resumes.

  83. Per Politico…

    Clinton aides rallying donors, floating convention fight: “August, and no earlier”

    A Clinton donor tells me that on a conference call today with major fundraisers this afternoon, Harold Ickes told them Clinton isn’t planning to drop out. He pressed donors to stay unified, and reviewed tactical options, including challenging the Michigan delegation.

    State finance committees are also circulating letters to deliver to Clinton tomorrow in New York, and I’ve obtained a draft of the Illinois finance committee’s letter, being circulated by a Clinton fundraising aide, Rafi Jafri, which stresses a fight until the convention, and a resolution in “August, and no earlier.”

  84. If there is anyone one from NJ here vote for Rep Rob Andrews tomorrow for US Senate. He is a Hillary supporter who had the balls to go against the DNC and challenge Frank Lautenburg for his Senate seat

  85. I’m curious about TM. She has taken the greatest hit by the Obamabots for months now. She’s been called a b*tch, whore, and received death threats, yet she stands firm that she’ll support BO if he’s the nominee. Someone even pointed out that she is admonishing people for calling him Hussein or initializing BHO.

    If anyone should be really pissed off by the bots and the DNC, it would be her. But she’s not. You have to respect her for that.

  86. Can someone please direct me to the date on which Obama said it was unfair to attack Bill Clinton as he is a spouse?

  87. filbertsf – I agree. TM has gone through a lot behind the scenes, and this kind of blackmail is a tactic these bots, I’m sure, have been trained to use.

    I think that email is a bit laughable – to get 100,000 people to sign a petition, they’d probably have to traffic the site with that many people to know who Taylor is. Plus, it’s the DNC that will decide to rescind credentialing or not; not someone’s faux signatures.

  88. CountTheVotes Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    That post says it all. His supporters are among the many reasons, why I cannot vote for him. They want a facist regime, where dissent is not allowed. what jerks.

  89. All civility in the country will soon be lost. The threats and blackmail toward opposing views and viewers is the sign of a society in a downward spiral. When decency is no longer, and “thugmanship” is the order of the day – this country is in the final stages of a (former) law-abiding society. Think about it. Two of the past three Presidential races have been fixed. That is what happens in governments in Third World countries. Before the empires fell ages ago – they began to implode from within. We are in the midst of the implosion of the beliefs and ideals, the democracy that WAS the United States of America. It has been like a slow-motion devolution that is fixing to end with a crescendo.

    No conscience. A Godless society. Doomed for the Gates of Hell, IF WE DON’T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

  90. CTV, well, if that’s how they’ll be able to feel useful and productive to the BO camp, power to them.

    While they’re at it, can they also collect petitions against Markos, Jonathan Singer, Ariana Huffington, and the rest of the so-called progressive bloggers?

  91. So just saw the BC stuff on fox. The story was really vague. Think there is concern. That is how reputations get destroyed. However, he is not running, McCain just went through something like this, and it mean a hill of beans.

    You know they truly must be getting desperate. They are trying hard to move those last two states, MT and SD.

    How does a national organization anoint a leader when he has lost so many significant election states and the popular vote.

    I guess the answer is just watch the DNC, they will show you how to do it.

  92. I guess for the bots its ok to attack the husband of a candidate, just not the wife of one!!

  93. Jen,

    Yeah, definitely … LOL… Poor Bamba, DNC, Pelosi, Dean will have another round of Chinese water torture.

    To be frank, at this point of time, it’s a war of attrition. It’s a contest of determination…

  94. There seems to be gossip about Bill on the Campaign trail and women. But it is like some were so concerned they brought it up. But very vague. So why would you bring this up at this time, and not bring up other vague stuff about the Obama camp. They have bent over backwards to say nothing until they were absolutely hit over the head with it.

  95. About the Harkin meeting…
    Does anyone have a link? Did 17 senators show up or did 4 senators show up?
    BTW, Hillary has picked up two SDs today– Irene Stein from NY and Chris Whittington from LA.

  96. I read on TM, that the Vanity Fair article is garbage and innuendo. Nothing substantive. Maybe, the Clintons can sue for slander.

  97. Henry, are you trying to be sarcastic? BO, surrogates and supporters think BC is fair game, but Michelle is off limit.

  98. Email from Hillary to supporters, from this afternoon:

    Dear Democrats,

    Tomorrow is the very last day Americans will have the chance to vote in this hard-fought and historic race for the Democratic nomination. Every vote we receive in South Dakota and Montana will help us add to our popular vote total. Every vote helps us make our case that I am our party’s strongest candidate in November.

    Nearly 18 million people have stood with us — the most votes cast for a candidate in the history of presidential primaries in either party. We’ve defied the skeptics and answered an important question: Which candidate best represents the will of the people?

    Now, one day before the final two contests, I am calling on you to dig deep and help us win every last vote we can win in South Dakota and Montana. We are in the middle of an all-out push to get out the vote, and every dollar you give right now will help us get voters to the polls and win the nomination. Your contribution has made such a difference to this campaign, and now I need your help in this final push.

    Contribute today to help us get out the vote in South Dakota and Montana.

    Together, you and I have celebrated a string of incredible victories. We’ve made history by giving every American a chance to have a say in this race.

    We’ve won the key swing states that will decide the race in November — and yes, that includes Florida and Michigan. Most important, we’ve won the most votes. There is no more powerful way to prove that I am our best chance to win in November.

    That’s why I am asking you to stand with me today. And I promise you, as I always have, that if you stand up for me now, I will stand up for you every day in the White House.

    I am so proud of the journey you and I have taken together, and of everything we have accomplished along the way. Tomorrow night, we’ll count the final votes. Today, let’s keep fighting.

    Thank you,

  99. When the Chicago Combine takes over the White House – Farrakhan, Wright, Father Flunkout, Ayers, Dohrn, and all the other NOI terrorist, American-hating, anti-Semite, anti-White hate mongerering bigwigs can turn the place into a made-for-TV spectacle, with hate spewing the entire LENGTH of the state dining room.

    Hell, they won’t need to run to the basement for terrorist drills. They can practice on the front lawn. They collectively can take turns defacing the White House rather that retiring to the parlor to play a game of charades.

    Ayers is probably rusty on his target practice. This way – he can get a set of blueprints and plan his next big Hoorah. Nothing like having friends in low places, like the Garth Brooks song.

  100. NewMexicoFan,

    That’s a Vanity Fair garbage. Stupid stuff. The only name they named is a Canadian female politician… That lady frankly was dating another Canadian politician at that time. Stupid sellout article indeed.

    To be blunt, who cares what Bill does these days. They want to humiliate him and mostly importantly Hillary. It’s childish play.

  101. To put it bluntly, if people weren’t going to vote for Hillary because Bill messes around with other women then she would have been out of this race back in January. I mean, come on– we heard all of this stuff about Bill back when HE was running for president, yet he still got elected. It’s a non-issue.

  102. birdgal, nah. The libel suit would legitimize the article and give it far too much attention. Also, it would be terribly difficult for a public figure to win a libel suit.

  103. We listed Chris Whittington’s number earlier, and I called and thanked him.

    Does anyone have a number for Irene Stein? My search online did not bring up her website.

  104. The Vanity Fair piece has Axelrod’s fingerprints all over it. Someone asked why it would be brought up now and the answer is simple the Obama camp wants to end all talk of Hillary being on the ticket in the press.

  105. I have to confess I do not despise bambi. What i despise is the Pelose/lurch/dean trying to define the democratic party In 2012 hispanics will control anywhere from 13 to 25 % of the vote. If any group shopuld be pandered to in order to win the office of president it should be them. Instead what we got was a bunch of elitists who said oh we can stop hillary if we nominate a black man and no one will touch him cause it is taboo to bring up his past. On that basis alone I say goodbye to the dnc, bambi was a product they thought they could sell but i say no thankyou I am a gayman who will not be held hostage by the dnc— if not hill then McCain 08

  106. NewMexicoFan, If you’re talking about the Vanity Fair story, I read just part of it, but early in the piece the author says there’s no evidence he’s cheated on Hillary since leaving the WH. Tabloid gossip is meaningless.

  107. You are exactly right, and Wolf B is interview this guy. And he calls himself a professional journalists.

    We need to bring back Dan Rather.

  108. vanity fair ? isn’t that like the enquirer and the globe or teen miss?? yea i think its on the right at the check out……..see, over there next to all the other garbage rags just waiting for some idiot to actually spend a couple bucks on it instead of being smart enough to get in the longest check out lane and glance over it for free and declare you’d never actually read such a thing… all the while knowing that none of its for real, but you get a laugh out of what they THINK will sell 😀

  109. rjk, That’s what I was thinking.

    I wasn’t defending the piece, obviously. Just saying he put that statement in there to cover his ass while repeating unsubstantiated rumors that aren’t even new.


    June 02, 2008 7:24 AM

    After she won Puerto Rico last night, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, was asked if she may challenge the new “magic number” of delegates the Democratic National Committee says is needed to clinch the nomination — 2,118.

    “That’s a question we’re going to be considering,” Clinton said. “Because obviously I still believe, I was pleased that the electoral results of the primaries were accepted that was the basis for the decisions that were made which is something I’ve been arguing for months as you know. And I was also pleased that Florida was fully seated but the half vote penalty I think is unwarranted under the circumstances and I thought Michigan was in violation of the rules so we’re going to decide how to proceed and depending upon what the outcome of that decision is we will either mount a challenge or not but obviously it would have an impact on the number of delegates necessary to pledge the nomination.”

    All of which is to say – Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, may reach 2,118 this week, but Clinton may assert that doesn’t mean anything.

    Fasten your seatbelts.

  111. But don’t Cindy Crawford, Tom Cruise and those people sue trash rags and win?

    I think the Clinton as political figures have gone through so much innuendo and speculation about their personal lives, it’s nothing new to them.

  112. btw,

    Another Michelle Obama quote from today’s BillingsGazette… This woman is on drug… Serious
    The wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told a few hundred supporters gathered at the Billings Hotel and Convention Center they had to remain active in their communities and do their own research on issues in order the change the country’s political path.

    “The way this campaign has been run is the way we need to be forever,” Obama said. “Don’t trust bloggers or someone else’s opinion, because people lie.”

  113. Here’s the statement Clinton issued on the article. It’s clear they know what’s going on here.

    A tawdry, anonymous quote-filled attack piece, published in this month’s Vanity Fair magazine regarding former President Bill Clinton repeats many past attacks on him, ignores much prior positive coverage, includes numerous errors, and ultimately breaks no new ground. It is, in short, journalism of personal destruction at its worst.

    The author, Todd Purdum, acknowledges speaking to over 50 people (almost all of them anonymous Washington insiders) before contacting President Clinton’s office about his piece. Though he researched the piece for several months, his first contact with President Clinton’s office was several weeks before he closed the story. Most revealing is one simple fact: President Clinton has helped save the lives of more than 1,300,000 people in his post-presidency, and Vanity Fair couldn’t find time to talk to even one of them for comment. […]

    This piece was written by Todd Purdum, who is married to Dee Dee Myers, former White House Press Secretary. Purdum’s disclosure of this in the piece does not, as Vanity Fair apparently concluded, remove the obvious conflict of interest. It’s a conflict that would likely not be contemplated at more reputable publications, especially considering that, as a result of this relationship, at least one source’s anonymity was revealed to others.

    It is, however, but an example of Vanity Fair’s ethical challenges. Since 1992, media outlets have reported on the magazine’s penchant for libel, which has led to numerous lawsuits. The suits came from a wide range of people including: a former chess prodigy, Julia Sarwer; Mohamed Fayed; and American bio-weapons specialist and outed-anonymous source, Steven Jay Hatfill. In 2004, one of the magazine’s “premier” writers, Dominick Dunne, was accused of paying a woman to lie for his stories. And in late 2006, the conservative author David Frum took to the pages of Huffington Post to explain how, “[i]n short, Vanity Fair transformed a Washington debate over “how to correct course and win the war” to advance obsessions all their own.” [Huffington Post, 11/4/06]

    Furthermore, several new outlets including the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times reported in 2004 on Editor in Chief Graydon Carter’s capitalization on his position at Vanity Fair to explore consulting and investment deals. Specifically, they examined connections between Carter’s personal consulting deals with movie companies and Vanity Fair’s coverage. It was revealed that Carter had received a $100,000 consultant fee for suggesting to Hollywood producer Brian Grazer that Sylvia Nasar’s book, A Beautiful Mind (which had been excerpted in Vanity Fair), be adapted into a movie. [Columbia Journalism Review, Jan/Feb 2007] [Politico]

  114. yes they do and they win, but the rags don’t care because they sell so much they can afford the lawsuits

    when will America wake up????

  115. The thing about that piece that stood out to me was the 4 or 5 unnamed sources. Most of the Democratic establishment has turned their backs Clintons anyway so why would these alledged sources want to remain un-named if the really exist? By having their names published they could boost their own status in the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY (the party of lying backstabbers)

  116. Kostner…………NO SHE DIDN’T!!!??? OMG…….that woman has something seriously wrong with her

  117. Another Michelle Obama quote from today’s BillingsGazette… This woman is on drug… Serious
    The wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told a few hundred supporters gathered at the Billings Hotel and Convention Center they had to remain active in their communities and do their own research on issues in order the change the country’s political path.

    “The way this campaign has been run is the way we need to be forever,” Obama said. “Don’t trust bloggers or someone else’s opinion, because people lie.”
    UHH UHH UGHHH..there smarter than that MO
    in Billings..good for the gazette

    these last 2 states have caught on. to the lies. and lies and lies

  118. Don’t believe the bloggers, why didn’t she just come out and say “don’t believe Larry Johnson’s blog” he is a liar. The woman and that campaign is something isn’t it.
    I bet they bribed Neal Cavuto and Fox, wonder how much it cost them to keep it off the airways thru tomorrow?

  119. kostner…….this was a good part of that same article 😀

    “We started in early April,” said Elizabeth Ross, 18. “We started writing personal cards to women voters in Pennsylvania.”

    Ross and her twin sister, Hillary, have spent the last couple of weeks calling Billings voters, which unearthed some misconceptions. One caller told the girls they must be Muslim if they were campaigning for Obama, who until recently attended the same Christian church for 20 years.

  120. Paula, thank you for giving us all the facts and details.

    The utube video you had on site of the women on the Obama plane was a fact. One has to wonder about an environment in which people behave that way. I felt it was very sexually explosive. It definitely was not professional behavior. So why doesn’t Wolf do an interview on that. If he did, I missed it.

  121. messing with the billings gazette with them words
    they have to much power all over in MOntana
    they will make sure he doesnt win..

  122. Why does Michelle Obama continue to make weird statements about how she thinks people can’t be trusted, are liars, etc.? She has some of the most bizarre views on human nature that I’ve ever heard from an aspiring first lady. I know that the answer probably involves a mention of her 20-year membership in a race-baiting church, but it’s stunning how the press never picks up on how stranger her statements are. I guess when Obambi waves his magic wand, and says “don’t ever pick on my wife,” his media minions abide…

  123. Desperate Obama Disinformation Over Michelle “Whitey” Video

    By Larry JohnsongravatarcloseAuthor: Larry Johnson
    on June 2, 2008 at 6:49 PM

    The Obama campaign is telling reporters from major news organizations that the videotape of Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at a panel alongside Nation of Islam maximum leader Louis Farrakhan is nothing but a “scurrilous lie,” according to one of those reporters who called for an answer.

    But at the same time the Obama campaign has disseminated either a doctored or concocted transcript of the supposedly nonexistent videotape. Major Obama donors went to the campaign demanding explanations after the posting of my story on No Quarter about the contents of the videotape confirmed to me by several reliable sources, all Republicans with access to knowledge but who do not know each other.

    So the campaign created a would-be transcript of the video it says doesn’t exist. In the Obama campaign produced transcript Michelle says “why’d he” instead of “whitey.” Very clever. Then the campaign sent this transcript to key Obamaton bloggers to circulate. And the campaign sent it to the donors to prevent them from having a nervous breakdown.

    In other words, the Obama campaign is a two-faced operation, telling the national press one thing and using eager little bloggers as propaganda stooges. But now they’ve been caught in obvious dirty trickery. Will the press play along? The Obamaton bloggers who happily allowed themselves to be exploited have exposed themselves as just junior media whores.

    Meanwhile, Obama’s political collapse is accelerating. Two new polls in the final primaries conducted by American Research Group show Obama’s fortunes in rapid decline. He was supposed to easily clean up in South Dakota and Montana, where he was ahead of Hillary, just a short time ago. he was supposed to run across the finish line with two clean wins and the crowd cheering. Now, he’s behind in South Dakota by a whopping 60 to 34, and barely holding on in Montana, just slightly ahead 44 to 40. What happened, Barack?

    Looking at those terrible poll numbers we’re not surprised that Obama quit his church over the weekend. The Father Michael Pfleger anti-Hillary sermon at Obama’s church must not be going down too well.

    And now we’re beginning to understand why Obama engaged in his thuggery at the Rules and Bylaws Committee, stealing delegates in Michigan that rightfully belonged to Hillary according to votes actually cast. Yup, looking at his bad poll numbers and rising unfavorabilities, Obama needs every delegate he can steal.

    Then, out of further desperation, Obama spread a false story that Hillary was dropping out. He’s doing everything he can before the vote in South Dakota and Montana to try to depress Hillary’s turnout. Obama’s Big Lie has worked before. To listen to Obama Hillary has been dropping out since the beginning of the campaign.

    And behind all this is Obama’s fear of the Michelle “whitey” video about which he’s spreading two different stories–one to the mainstream press and another to his blogger-stooges. Lies, lies and more lies.

  124. Djia: WOW!!!! The tape exists!!!! I literally burst out laughing when I read that they plan to argue that she was saying “why’d he”!!!

  125. that is almost too damn crazy,…a transcript of a tape that alledgedly doesn’t exist…

  126. Hi all! (still house repair, painting, etc so not online much but thrilled to be able to post and read here again).
    An interesting perspective i heard today: Phlegmler could have been PLANTED at TUCC the past 2 weeks as a way for Waffles to LEAVE the congregation and the fact that he’s WHITE is thought to have deflected criticism. Thoughts?

    Also, on one talk show over the weekend the question posed to listeners was if the SD’s were able to vote in private, how many think HRC would get the nomination and 85% of the callers said that because supers were terrified of being labeled racist, they might not vote for her publicly but if their ballots were like those of the popular votes they would vote HRC.

    The Affirmative Action presidency.

  127. dija, I was just about to post that, lol.

    BTW, if MO really says “why’d he” instead of “whitey,” why doesn’t the Waffles campaign release the tape themselves? That would kill the story in a hurry.

  128. Well, this is from HuffPost, so take it with a grain of salt. If accurate, I agree with every single thing he said;

    MILBANK, S.D. — Former President Bill Clinton today unleashed a salty stream of epithets to describe former New York Times reporter and current Vanity Fair writer Todd Purdum, calling him “sleazy,” “dishonest,” “slimy” and a “scumbag.”

    The former president made the comment at a local campaign event after I asked him if Purdum’s much-commented upon Vanity Fair story was weighing on his mind.
    Tightly gripping this reporter’s hand and refusing to let go, Clinton heatedly denounced the writer, who is currently married to former Clinton White House Press Secretary, Dee Dee Myers.

    “[He’s] sleazy,” he said referring to Purdum. “He’s a really dishonest reporter. And one of our guys talked to him . . . And I haven’t read [the article]. There’s just five or six blatant lies in there. But he’s a real slimy guy,” the former president said.

    When I reminded him that Purdum was married to his former press spokesperson Myers, Clinton was undeterred.

    “That’s all right– he’s still a scumbag,” Clinton said. ” Let me tell ya– he’s one of the guys — he’s one of the guys that brought out all those lies about Whitewater to Kenneth Starr. He’s just a dishonest guy– can’t help it.”

    Purdum’s piece, featured in this month’s edition of Vanity Fair, included former advisers criticizing former President Clinton for bringing negative attention to Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and for surrounding himself with friends who might discredit her campaign.

    The former President’s tirade continued:

    “The editor of Esquire– he sent us an email yesterday and said it was the single sleaziest piece of journalism he’d seen in decades. He said it made him want to go take a shower and he was embarrassed to be a journalist when he read it.”

    “You know he didn’t use a single name, cite a single source in all those things he said. It’s just slimy. It’s part of the national media’s attempt to nail Hillary for Obama. It’s the most biased press coverage in history. It’s another way of helping Obama. They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he didn’t do anything about it. The first day he said ‘Ah, ah, ah well.’ Because that’s what they do– he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain– maybe I better quit the church. It’s all politics. It’s all about the bias of the media for Obama. Don’t think anything about it.”

    “But I’m telling ya, all it’s doing is driving her supporters further and further away– because they know exactly what it is– this has been the most rigged coverage in modern history– and the guy ought to be ashamed of himself. But he has no shame. It isn’t the first dishonest piece he’s written about me or her.”

    “Anytime you read a story that slimes a public figure with anonymous quotes, it oughta make the bells go off in your head. Because anytime somebody uses those things– he wrote the story in his head in advance, and he just goes around and tries to find some coward to say whatever they want to say, hoping to get some benefit out of it. It didn’t bother me. It shouldn’t bother you.”

    “Thank you, Mr. President,” I said attempting to end the conversation.

    But Clinton continued. “He can’t help it,” he said. “He still hasn’t apologized to me for Whitewater.”

  129. They know the tape is coming out and are trying to do damage control before it does. Trying to make people hear what they want them to hear. The words in the text of her speech may have been “why’d he” but if she used Wright dramatics “Whit ee” when delivering it for effect to get a reaction from those present that is even worst yet.

  130. I think Bill Clinton knows he’s about to have his day in the sun, doesn’t he? 😀

  131. Paula…….. i read somewhere on noquarter today that if they (bo camp) said anything that denied this tape existed
    that would bring the GOP out of the shadows with the tape.

    so let’s just sit back and get ready to pop that corn and enjoy the show!! 😀

  132. I was going to be at that event tonight but then i couldn’t after all 🙁

    dang i wanted to be there in person too

  133. Paula
    They are in panic mode right now, Axelrod thought he had bought up every copy of it out there and were surprised to find out that they missed at least one copy. It would not surpise me if it has been Huckabee’s campaign that had the tape all along. Don’t let that backwoods routine of his fool you, he is a political pro from the same school of politics as Bill Clinton

  134. OH yeah they got signs everywhere on the interstate 90 near Mitchell, south dakota hope they take some pics…for Hillary people Honking for Hillary !!!!LOTTS his event friends told me at the corn palace was not as big as BILLs at the dakota wes universityin Mitchell..they seen the priest and that concerns many very many.

    djia Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    I was going to be at that event tonight but then i couldn’t after all

    dang i wanted to be there in person too

    Hold up thee sign dija NOBOLIAR..LOL

  135. Boy, was I glad to see this (and of course it’s entirely under-reported! Wanted to make sure you guys saw it, so I transcribed. Note the scumbag reporter practically arguing with the candidate!)

    From the campaign plane;

    “I think I’ve got a very strong case. I think I have a stronger case than a lot of people who have pressed their case much further.
    People have been trying to get me out of this race since Iowa, and my political obituary has yet to be written. And we’re going forward..

    “You know what? It’s not over until the votes are cast. It’s not over until there’s actually a tally that actually gives somebody the nomination.”

  136. Oh, well, ok, you won’t be able to note the reporter without the vid; it’s at TalkLeft.

    Hill showing zero signs of ‘dropping out’ in stark contrast to 100% of the media reporting right now!


  137. Paula,

    I probably didn’t explain well enough about PHLEGMLER. obviously, he’s spoken at TUCC before and has ties with Waffles going back 20 years. The point is WHO leaked PHLEGMLER’s clips to the press now and WHY? Perhaps the thought was seeing a white guy preaching black liberation theology somehow mollified people terrified by the violent racism of the church? It’s just peculiar . . .

    Curiosity, Waffles campaign reminds me of the Crip/Latin King vendettas i witnessed in urban schools. the gang/territory if you’re-not-one-of-us-you’re-the-enemy attitude. They’re a bunch of punk thugs-in-training and white boys vicariously living the gangsta life.

  138. coming up on hannity tonight, katherine harris to tell why she is sooooooo upset with hbo films RFLMAO!!!

  139. Hi guys,

    Some news:
    West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd Hospitalized

    It looks like at least two Obamabots and Supers(Kennedy included) won’t be able to last through August to cast their votes at convention. Two more losses for Bamba… Gosh, it’s almost like every Super who endorsed Bamba has been cursed.

    LOL. I’m just kidding, don’t take this too serious, I am wishing Senator Byrd all the best…

  140. Hill late in souix falls…lol…big crowd tooo..outside also I think shll take both states i can only hope because they got the vote out in both and that VIDEO scares the hell out of OLDER folks
    the priest rev wrong..
    whatever BO says about that church His name will always be with it…he can never change that.
    and he wont ever leave it either its a LIE
    Thats alott of folks over there dija and ksfy got that damn banner of his on the site …i wanna put darts in it..

  141. “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ”

    –Joseph Stalin

  142. Folks these super D’s getting sick, that an ominous sign, too much stress on the older ones!

  143. basil9:

    The kids in school make fun of kids who try to act like another culture. It’s like – “Hey man, just be yourself. Stop trying to be something you’re not. Quit acting stupid, man.”

    Why do young people get it and the old farts don’t? Why can’t the priest advocate for all peoples? Isn’t that what priests are supposed to do?

    Back to Peace, Love, Brotherhood. Fifth Dimension anyone?

    What happened to the dawning of the Age of Aquarius? The moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars….

    LET THE SUNSHINE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Move over Forrest………..It’s Jenny’s turn.

  144. I think, Byrd has been sick for awhile. He is not a well man. I think, maybe, Dot said this, but I could be wrong.

  145. That’s the worst thing about going to these campaign events is the waiting for the candidate to appear! Hope she is not too late!

  146. i did it irks me..nice and sunny all over the state today,i didnt wanna see him thats for sure,
    whats really funny micke rounds hasnt even said a boo booo word of anything lol..since they been here the democrats campaigning

  147. i hope so to confloyd not to late but little past time is ok…its hot they might be wiggling around to get some air lol…

    there she is gosh darnit bill is there and chelsea too..

  148. Byrd has been ill for a long time. If I recall, there were some murmers of replacing his seat b/c of his health. Byrd is a good man. Made terribly mistakes in judgment when he was younger, and I think he’s spent the last 3 decades trying to redeem himself. The endorsement of Obama was his last act of redemption.

    If he were to pass on, I think he would be quite content that he’s tied all loose ends.

  149. rjk1957,

    yeah, he is. He’s a former KKK memeber, that’s why he had to endorse bamba despite the will of wV to ‘clean up’ his ‘history’ before the final verdict from the almighty. May he rest in peace before August.

    I love Bill Clinton’s ‘tirade’. He’s mad as well. I seriously believe he’ll be pushing Hillary to go forward at any cost. Hopefully, Bill Clinton will persuade Hillary for an INDY run. If Hillary runs as an INDY, there is NO way in hell bambo will be able to beat McCain regardless whether Hillary will win or not in November based on the demographic breakdown.

    Clintons do not owe these thugs anything. It is NOW or NEVER.

  150. Bill Clinton knows darn well that ALL the Obama campaign wants right now is lots of koom-bay-yah singing, hand-holding, and “party reconciliation,” etc. The last thing they want is to APPEAR to be divisive, even though we all know that their behind-the-scenes maneuvering is typical Axelrod-style Chicago knife-fight politics. So it’s no wonder that the Big Dog shrewdly used the reporter’s question about the Vanity Fair nonsense as a pivot point, to talk about (a) the press’s relentless bias against Hillary and (b) the Obama campaign’s dirty tactics. He knew exactly what he was doing, and it was smart.

  151. Dick Morris is one of the most CREEPY “men” . What a sleaze bag he is. WHY in the world would any network allow this guy to even appear as a pundit. FOX must be desparate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  152. I wanted to share a cool post from today:

    Jun 2, 4:29 PM (ET)By TOM RAUM
    TROY, Mich. (AP) – Barack Obama said Monday he and rival Hillary Rodham Clinton will be “working together in November” despite fears by some that the Democratic Party will be divided after the long and bitter primary campaign.

    On the eve of the final two primaries, Obama told a rally and town-hall-style meeting in this Detroit suburb of Troy that he understands that people wonder “whether the Clinton folks are going to support the Obama folks” and vice versa.

    It’s going to happen, promised the Democratic front-runner.

    Saying Clinton had “run an outstanding race,” Obama said to applause that “she and I will be working together in November.” He did not elaborate.

    Oh really! It’s going to happen like hell, says this writer who refuses to take a seat at the back of the Obama bus full of misogynist media hacks, racists, anti-American preachers and bombers, and the DNC.

    I’m sorry but I just can’t buy a ticket to get on the bus that has run over the core constituency of the Democratic party: women, “bitter people clinging to guns and religion”, the working class (a dirty word to this new elitist Democratic party), the voters in Michigan and Florida, and anyone else who dares not to support “the chosen one.”

    Very presumptious of you include me in your passenger list Obama. You do not speak for me, and you’re not going to take us where this country desperately needs to go.

    But wait, maybe I am interpreting your comments incorrectly. You said you and Hillary Clinton would be “working together in November.” You didn’t say in what capacity. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant that Hillary Clinton will be our Presidential nominee and you and your supporters will be working on behalf of Hillary Clinton to defeat McCain in November.

    That’s the only bus I’m willing to get on. The only bus that will reach it’s destination. The one that Hillary Clinton is driving, straight to the White House.

    If Hillary’s bus is hijacked I’m going to call a McCab.

  153. kostner, I like the idea of HRC running as Independent, but don’t think it’ll happen. She’s still a sitting Democratic Senator. This is not a Joe Lieberman situation. He had nothing to lose. Plus, although a social liberal, he was a warhawk and would probably have left the party anyways.

    Moreover, the Clintons are the Democratic fixture. I can’t see them as anything but Democrats.

  154. This is just hillarious. Here’s some comments on freeper land to MO’s latest ‘don’t trust bloggers, people lie’ outburst…

    Whitey must have hit a nerve in the racist beotch. lol

    LOL…sounds like our candidate for First Whiner is setting up the “PhotoShop” excuse for revelations yet to come…and there definitely will be revelations, with the company these two have kept for over two decades.

    If MicHelle wants to see a liar, she should look in the mirror.

    And we should then trust who?? The Pro-Dem media? Wilson, McClellan.

    The setup for the “Don’t believe your lieing eyes”, speech after the Michele Obama video comes out..

    because people lie.”
    Like me and my husband

    Geez…she hates pajama people almost as much as she hates white people!

    Don’t trust bloggers(or politicians or their wives with a racist chip on her shoulder) or someone else’s opinion, because people lie.”

    I guess she knows lies first hand, she’s married to a big one.

  155. What we need to do if Hillary doesn’t make it is to email Fox and tell them if they fire Morris we’ll all vote McCain!! LOL!!! 🙂

  156. Here is the email I sent Cuvato at Fox based on the one deja sent.

    Harriet Christian Speaks for me and millions of others. We are the great tsunami waiting to happen to the Democratic Party [that is not democratic], to the DNC, to the RBC, to Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and to Obama. We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore; these people have stolen democracy from us, our families, and our nation. We have been telling all the media about this mass exodus for months now. At first we were saying that we WOULD not vote for Obama; a little later we changed to saying we CAN NOT vote for Obama. We will not writein or stay at home because that would be a vote for Obama. But now our protest vote is as much against the RBC, DNC and Democratic Party as it ever was against Obama.

    I, for one, believe that we are brilliant; and being called a racist is NOTHING compared to what Obama supporters have called us and Hillary on the blogs. They are filled with hate toward us “whiteys”. They are sticking it to “whitey” and flicking off “whitey” as Obama demonstrated in his portrayal of JayZ’s words to the song, “I Have 99 Problems, but a Bitch is Not One.” We have done our own investigating since the main stream media chose to not do their jobs and report the facts and do the investigating for us. TRUTH will always prevail….which is why we are deflecting to McCain if the DNC and OBAMA STEAL this election from Hillary Clinton.

    It has been disgusting how blatant the Sexism and double standard has been during this entire primary. WE WILL NOT FORGET! And all this over a group of 30 people substituting their judgment for 600,000 votes cast and certified by the state of Michigan; and counting us as half persons in Florida.

    Party unity means nothing to us, we are Americans first; we place God, family and country before party-any party! Susan B. Anthony is quoted as saying in 1872, “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her say.” We have declared our independence from the undemocratic Democratic Party. What the RBC has done is unconstitutional by their own RULES and yet they punished two states for violation of ROOLZ! We are making a TO DEFEAT list. Us, Sweeties, WILL NOT fall back in line – you can take that to the bank! Heck, we may even go into business making nutcrackers just for the purpose of busting the balls of all the male chauvinistic pigs.

    And I would love to come on your show, me and a few other’s and tell you and the world how we feel…..but then you probably wouldn’t want to hear our voices for yourself would you? You probably want to keep us thrown under the bus.

    My Name
    City, Florida

    Everyone is encouraged to do the same:

  157. filbertsf,

    Why? I never understand the concept of party loyalty. Politics to me is a dirty business, it’s really about the candidate, not the party. What did Clintons owe to the party anyway? If she bolts, the MSM will whine like there’s no tomorrow, but isn’t that what we want?

    Obama is George W. Bush III, it’s important to stop him at get go, otherwise we’ll have another miserable 4 years … I don’t know, I just feel American empire is going downhill after Clinton finishes his term. Maybe it is God’s willing that these unqualified guys like Bush, Obama have been thrown down our throats.

    I hope Clinton will make a decision that can stand the test of history. It is really not about democratic party, or Obama. Just imagine the horrific scenario when democratic party control 2/3 of both Congress and Senate, and Obama squeezes into the white house. The unchecked power will lead into another disastrous 4 years that make George W. Bush/Jimmy Carter look positive.

    We all know what Obama’s philosophy is now, we know he’ll be able to make Jimmy Carter’s reign look more competent. There will be more 911 under his watch. It’s time to save the republic.

  158. Just listen to that Chelsea, she does it without a telepromter, she looks like she having fun and she is definitely getting her message across. She someday will be a force to be reckoned with if she goes into to politics. We can always hope that she does!!

  159. short termer

    I loved your letter!!! woooooo hooooo!

    come on everyone send him a email of your own 😀

  160. hillbill….. I had hannity on but was YM with my mom and had it on mute……i will catch the rerun later!

    but first…..tell us exactly what trickie dickie said

  161. kostner, it’s really not about what the Clintons owe the party. It’s just not easy to go at it alone, financially and otherwise. Unless you’re Perot or Bloomberg, you can’t finance your entire campaign.

    Moreover, how many partisan political supporters will sacrifice their careers just to back your independent run? They run the risk of pissing off their financial backers and constituents, not to mention the national party.

    here’s a reason why Independents have such a poor track record.

  162. Paula… but I hope she doesn’t make a career in politics. Private citizen Chelsea would be much happier. Why anyone would willingly jump into the shark tank is beyond me.

  163. It’s definitely her choice, filbertsf. But she has a real knack for it, IF she wants to pursue it. 🙂

  164. New update from Larry Johnson:

    Our thanks to Martin Longman over at Booman Tribune. He performed a public service last night by disseminating Barack Obama talking points even before I had published my update. Two key points–First, the Obama campaign is admitting the tape exists by ponying up a bogus explanation. Second, they don’t dispute that Michelle is sitting at the table with Louis Farrakhan.

    So, here’s what Martin posted:

    The Michelle Tape

    by BooMan
    Sun Jun 1st, 2008 at 11:57:57 PM EST
    My old friend, Larry Johnson, knows about manipulating elections from his training with the Central Intelligence Agency. He doesn’t want Obama to win the nomination for whatever reason, and he’s in full propaganda mode to do everything he can to frighten the superdelegates. He claims to have a shocking tape of Michelle Obama ranting in some anti-white diatribe. He promises to produce this tape tomorrow at 9am.

    From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

    How you’d write it:

    Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
    Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
    Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
    Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

    How you’d say it:

    Why’d he cut folks off medicaid?
    Why’d he let New Orleans drown?
    Why’d he do nothing about Jena?
    Why’d he put us in Iraq for no reason?

    How Larry Johnson wants you to hear it:

    Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
    Whitie let New Orleans drown?
    Whitie do nothing about Jena?
    Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

    I’m going to be honest with you. Both SusanHu and Larry Johnson have been friends of mine. They have both done a lot for me and I am grateful and indebted to them. Any issues I’ve had with their activities in this election I have kept private. I haven’t visited their site in four months because I found it too personally painful to read what they were writing and I did not want to be tempted to respond. I thought I owed them that. But loyalty can only go so far. If they publish this allegation tomorrow, I will no longer speak with them. And I say that with great sorrow.

    This election has ruined a lot of friendships. I have tried hard not to let it ruin mine. But smears of this type are unforgivable. I have been forebearing. Perhaps, in retrospect, I have been too forebearing. That’s all I say. This is too painful to me.

    Martin, buddy. It ain’t a smear when it is true. I have made it clear all along that I do not have the tape but have spoken with good friends who know folks who have seen the tape. I also have made it clear that the folks surrounding McCain want to keep this quiet until after August. But you, Martin, now claim you have a transcript. Terrific. Bring it out. Let’s put this to bed once and for all. Let’s show the world that Farrakhan and Michelle were exchanging Kool-Aid recipes.

    I also find it fascinating that Marting is part of the Obama blog force. Me, I’m not on the Hillary mailing list. Don’t need it. Capable of thinking for myself. Martin, you got played by your boys. Transcript indeed!

  165. She was asked here and said no. However, the crowd really liked her. Sometimes as you age you change your mind.

    She has an exceptional mind.

  166. Paula: good article about Johnson.

    Especially: “Let’s show the world that Farrakhan and Michelle were exchanging Kool-Aid recipes.”

  167. You have to had it to them, they are thinking on their feet. I guess, if the tape is ever revealed, the voters will decide for themselves.

    The Os will said nothing there, the HRC will say yes, and the Is will make the vote difference.

  168. Thanks, birdgal. Here’s the link.

  169. NewMexico, if only it were that easy. You forgot the 4th Estate and you know where that’s going.

  170. dickie said the dem party who can win is putting a candidate forward that cant and the reps have a candidate that can win but the rep party will lose.

  171. From last thread:
    I don’t think it’s appropriate or helpful to Hillary to promote McCain (a distant second choice) here.

    Phooey! WHERE THE HELL ELSE can we talk freely? We need show the DNC that we’re serious, BEFORE it’s too late for them to come to their senses and nominate Hillary.

    The longer we wait, the more their support for Obama may firm up. We need to strike now, while the press is still focussed on Hillary and “Will she or won’t she (in her Maidenform bra)?”

    The Brazile crowd thinks they can survive the loss of the blue collar, the rurals, the whites, the elderly, the non-AA ethnics, and still win this November. Then they tell US “You’ve got to come back, we can’t win without you!” So we need NOW to show the SDs how many of us there are, and how serious we are.

    THat means thinking past the moment and past Denver — and ACTING on some definite plans for November. If we wait till after Denver — then it’s too late to INFLUENCE Denver.

  172. So, because of all the discussions now, do you think the Reps will bring out the tape, or keep it a while?

  173. filbertsf,

    I admit money is the biggest hurdle…

    I’m not saying Clinton will can by running as an INDY. But Obama and the democratic party will sure LOSE as a result. If you want to save the party, this is the nuclear option Clintons and their supporters have.
    Now I believe it’s time to press that button.

    Think about it. Make no mistake, if Clinton endorses this party, Obama can still beat McCain in the end since voters are really really tired of Republican party. What’s going to happen if Obama wins, need i say? It’s going to be an even bigger disaster than Bush with the current corrupt party controlling three branches.

    The way to stop this is to stop Obama. The sure thing to stop Obama and Pelosi/Dean’s dream of capturing the white house is for Clinton to run as INDY. There is really no way McCain can lose if all three are on the same ballot as Hillary will peel at least 20-30% of democratic votes off.

    Again, I don’t expect Hillary to win as INDY, but McCain will sure win under such scenario. If you’re for either Hillary or McCain, that’s the safest path we’re having right now.

    Again, money is the biggest hurdle. But if she doensn’t need to win, how much money does Hillary really need to run a INDY campaign? Not much. She does not even need to do any campaign ad.

  174. Somebody may have seen this earlier tonight but I just heard remarks by BO today with reporters and some comments from Candy Crowley about what is about to happen. Candy is clearly delusional. She says, with every bit of confidence that “Hillary can bring those women back.” I am thinking, how can anybody be so naive? I think some folks are naive, some are just plain lacking in IQ points, others are mean and abuse the power of the media.

    In Bo’s remarks he commented that he’d spoken with Senator Clinton and told her that he was the only person who understood how hard she’s worked because they’ve been on the “same journey.” Once again, we have a hopelessly naive individual. How can a male, who is of a different age, ethnicity, religion, even suggest that he and Hillary have been on the same journey. He has from the get go had an advantage due to his gender. The media tromped all over Hillary, up to and including proclaiming BO the “winner” several weeks ago. He has no clue as to what Hillary’s experience has been. They’re both running for President and theoretically they’re both democrats. They have some ideas in common, some basic policy ideas (most of which he ripped off from her). But it will be a cold damn day in hell before I support Obama.

  175. in his sarcastic way he was saying that BHO cant win and McCain can in a year when the dems were supposed to win and the reps were supposed to lose.

  176. Paula, don’t you think if they don’t bring it out now it will indicate they held it and it will be anticlimatic?

  177. mollyjrichards

    I agree, and until Hillary says she’s out I’m in it with her. Even if she does, this now transends her and I will not “fall in line” to vote for the dem party nominee if it is BHO

  178. molly,

    excellent. I am copying a woman lawyer’s comment from a non-political forum to echo your sentiment of why Obama is a big NO NO.

    McCain and Clinton have a lot in common in that they are both fighters who persevere and do not relent in face of hardships and adversities. McCain shown that during Vietnam and Clinton shown that in this election and many many other times. These two leaders have grits and some of us really admire that. They are both hated by the more extreme fractions of their parties and yet they keep coming back. Their parties have turned their backs on them at one point or another and yet they hold their heads high with pride. Some of us believe that all these good qualities in a POTUS.

    As for the Supreme Court, well, many things. One is a lot of women are insulted that the Dem leaders think they can use that to beat us into order. Secondly, the older millions of older women who support Clinton are pass child bearing age, or are at a point of their lives where economics are not an issue for raising a child. The younger women who keep thinking that feminism is something shameful and think it’s so cool to support Obama, well then they can deal with the consequences on their own. If Roe v, Wade is overturned, who knows? Maybe The One can walk on water and save them.

  179. I sent in my change in voter registration over the weekend. I changed from democratic to Independent. I am in CA.

  180. the tape….screw the tape, it won’t convince a single BHO supporter to change, all it will do is ensure McCain will be the next president.
    If the superdelegates are still endorsing him now nothing will change it. They have all lost their minds.

  181. debbie: They may have lost their minds, but their pockets are better lined with cash and empty promises.

  182. true thats one reason why the tape won’t make a difference. they’ve all been bamboozled and hoodwinked…wow talk about reverse psychology!

  183. debbie at 10:44: Exactly. It’s purpose is to help McCain in November. Plus, Waffles has told the SDs the tape is nonexistent, so they’re going to assume he’s not lying to them.

  184. debbie, the general. the tape will be very damaging in the general. Michelle Obama, whatever you may think of BO, is just a very unlikeable person. This will just feed the simmering fire. Moreover, if Michelle thinks sexism is exclusive to Hillary-bashing, wait until she gets a whiff of it from the RW.

  185. Hm. This was supposed to be Obama’s victory lap time, wasn’t it? All the SDs were supposed to race out immediately and jump on his bandwagon.

    Instead look at what’s on the news cycles. Anger about the RBC decision, talk of taking it to the next step. More Obama ranting scandals, past, current, and pending. Also pending a verdict on Rezko.

    Some chicken SDs may feel a little less chicken after their re-elections on June 3 or 4. But look how many other reasons there are for them to wait till things clarify — or till HIllary drops out, which she is expected to do ‘any day now, just wait….’

    And look where the main news coverage is. Hillary is getting more than Obama, as usual. Everyone is focused on “Will she or won’t she, in her Maidenform bra?”

    With all those reasons for chickens to stay chicken at least a few days longer, what can Pelosi offer to rush them?

    I think we have one foxy lady playing everyone along….

  186. You know, Os financers should have their head examined. He has underperformed terrible in these last three months. His only strong point was insisting that she quit afer every win. He even set an IN deadline, which said who ever won that was the winner. She was not polling to win, there and did that. She even improved her % in SC by 10%, but he always raises the bar.

    She now has a SOLID popular vote lead. So you are investing in the SDs and the DNC over ruling the popular vote shoving this candidate down peoples throats.

    He is also polling behind her against McCain.

    Somehow she has turned around SD and is close in MT.

    OK, so exactly what are the odds now that he will win. I would think they have gone way DOWN. (ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE EXIT POLLS).

    IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD INSIST ON SEEING THAT TAPE FOR MYSELF. AFTER ALL THIS HAS BECOME A MUCH MORE RISKY INVESTMENT. And remember if the Dems lose, they might run the risk of falling apart. Then who would pay back the investment.

    After watching them perform the last few months, my money is on the worker, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. The other person seem to have a hard time even showing up for votes and hearing the words from the pulpit he has sat near for 20 Years.

    Sounds like you are going to have some explaining to do to your investors. Good Luck with that.

  187. the thing is… since BO supporters/surrogates and MSM denied that Hillary was plagued with sexism, I will return the favor. See no evil, hear no evil.

    Michelle, it’s just your overactive imagination. There’s no sexism when Tucker Carlson says the only reason you are successful is because of your husband.

  188. I want to personally thank the BM especially, CM & KO and the whole msnbc team and not to forget the abusive and rude BHO supporters for making damn sure I will never give my support or vote to BHO.

  189. and oh excuse me extra special mention should go to the DNC for its hard work on ensuring I no longer belong to the democrat party and that as a typical white person I am not needed.

  190. Obama is playing nice, nice in the media because he has told the stupid weak dem leaders that he can charm his way back into women good graces….like a pimp.

    But the SEXISM and plain MEANESS by Team Obama and those in the media against the Clinton has HURT any chances of reconciliation. What Vanity Fair did he President Clinton today confirmed that it’s all smoke and mirrors.

    Remember, Obama NEEDS Hillary, hillary doesn’t need him and I wouldn’t vote for that snake even if Bill told me Party Unity….NO EFFING WAY!!!

    Don’t reward bad behavior and all the cowards in our party make me want to puke!!!

    BTW, Katherine Harris was on Fox with her counsler for the state informing that the HBO picture was totally popaganda on how it went down…Katherine followed Fl law and Gore listen to his political team and denied certification and cherry picked those for democratic counties…instead of asking for a state wide revote like his FL lawyer told him to do….I use to believe the account based on what the media interpreted…but after seeing our democratic political leaders act time and time again….maybe, I need to start questioning my own party’s role in their terrible decisions.

  191. Hi all, hoping for an upset in South Dakota tomorrow, but don’t be discouraged if we don’t win there, he has Daschle and McGovern and Johnson (losers all three 🙂 ) , but that didn’t stop us from winning Massachusetts, so let’s pull another upset 🙂

    Montana, that will be harder, but who knows?

    She needs to take this to the convention, I am behind her 100%. I have had it with this play nicey nice to Hillary and her supporters all of a sudden cathcing on. It is pissing me off. Brazile has been on this train lately, as has Obama, both Obamas, his bloggers, and others. Enough. Nothing they can say can make me move from my position that he is unfit for this job as not only president, but our party leader. Hillary herself could not convince me. McCain is being intelligent and praising Hillary too. Obama had his chance to stand up for the sexism against her and failed, and he will regret the way he acted in November, if we fail to get what Hillary has earned.

  192. Like I said before many times, if Hillary is not the nominee I will be a proud Democratic for McCain. Since I live in a 75% So Cal Latina neighborhood my yard sign will be a welcome sight.

  193. I like this guys analysis on the RBC decision and what it means for hillary……read on

    Hillary Clinton Will Be the Democratic Nominee?
    Posted by YankeeConservative on Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:30:41 PM
    While the punditocracy is out there predicting Hillary’s resignation speech, I am officially declaring here that Clinton will rather make a large and spirited effort to win this nomination, and after Saturday, her chances are very, very good.

    The general consensus is that Obama scored a big victory Saturday after the rules and bylaws committee issued rulings on Michigan and Florida directly in accordance to Obama’s proposed solution – split the Florida votes evenly and split Michigan 69-59. However, upon deeper reflection one might reconsider who the committee was posturing to give the nomination. It seems clear the answer is Hillary, not Obama, since their absurd conclusion on MI has probably done more damage to Obama and party unity than anything throughout the entire election.

    The reason is that the result of the meeting established three important precedents. One, that the FL and MI elections count, except that the delegates get a half a vote instead of a full vote. This supports the idea that regardless of the delegate count, the Florida votes are fair game when calculating the popular vote, and by that I mean all of them. As hard as it is to justify penalizing delegates, its impossible to justify throwing away votes when gauging the “true” will of the people. Second, the decision suggests the Democratic party is corrupt and in the tank for Obama. There is no surer sign of this other than the fact that Hillary lost 4 delegates she won in MI, when the DNC decided for whatever reason to give them to Obama instead. This further supports the argument that the delegate count is not the reflection of the people’s will. Finally, and surprisingly the least relevant, the Democratic party is a deeply dysfunctional and undemocratic hypocrisy which has shamed many to call themselves democrats.

    I think Republicans should start reconsidering the notion that they may wake up one day to find themselves running against Clinton this fall, and not Obama.

    Why? Because all the relevant arguments have entirely shifted after Saturday. Neither candidate won enough votes, so now the super delegates decide. The main argument is that if the super-politicians overturn the will of the people, then that is a sham. However, after Saturday, it seems clear that supporting Obama, and not Clinton, is what would be guilty of that sham. Clinton now has the majority of votes, and the MI pledged delegates have been shadily re-distributed by party insiders. The case can now be strongly made that the delegate count is a ridiculous gauge of the voter’s preference.

    Given Obama’s embarrassing defeats in late primaries, the gift to Hillary by the rules committee, and the state polls which show Hillary as MUCH stronger against McCain, a lot of opinions are going to change, and the past few days of protests are what is going to stimulate that and justify Hillary’s late takeover.
    While Obama might feel good about Saturday, he shouldn’t, and should reconsider how many on that committee were truly his friends.

    UPDATED: Check out the South Dakota and Montana polls which show Clinton ahead by almost 30 in South Dakota and trailing by only 4 in Montana. For those of us that remember how Obama had a tendency to “overpoll” in most states, while “underpolling” in southern states with large black populations, this means that Hillary might win both elections on Tuesday.

    Now where would that place the Democratic super-politicians in their decision making process?

  194. The 50 Most Powerful Women in NYC, published by the New York Post Sunday, June 1, 2008.

    ON The list, here is a few which includes such names as presidential candidate
    Hillary Clinton (#1), yeah Hillary NUMBER ! YES!!!!
    TV journalist Barbara Walters (#9),
    talk show host Kelly Ripa (#14),
    actress Natalie Portman (#27),
    author Jhumpa Lahiri (#32),
    columnist Liz Smith (#47),
    40) Mariah Carey, 38, pop star

  195. carbynew,

    McCain is smartly wooing women like you. LOL…. I am not a woman, but I’m always a Hillary or McCain…
    No because I agree with McCain’s politics. Everything is on a relative term. The democratic party is supposed to win three branches, it’s scary for me to imagine an Obama/Michelle white house. Nightmare indeed.

    McCain,, he is too old, and frankly can do little harm…

  196. Per ABCNews…. McCain is playing the ‘sex’ card… hehe, in a positive way…

    McCain Praises Hillary
    Share June 02, 2008 6:13 PM

    ABC News’s Bret Hovell Reports: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., offered what seemed to be a fond farewell to rival Hillary Clinton this afternoon at a town hall meeting in Nashville, Tennessee.

    McCain was reminded by an audience member that though he had mentioned Barack Obama several times during his remarks, he had not talked about Clinton, even though, as the woman said, she is “technically” still in the race.

    “Yes, Senator Clinton is still in the race,” McCain said. “I have known Senator Clinton, and I admire her and I respect her.

    “She has inspired generations of American women to believe that they can reach the highest office in this nation, and I respect her campaign, and I respect her,” McCain said to widespread applause from what seemed like a pretty conservative crowd.

    “Now she and I have stark differences on issues, and those are, those are well known,” he continued. “And I have debated many of those issues on the floor of the Senate with her, and other places. But I admire the campaign she has run. I think she deserves a great deal of credit.”

    Recently, McCain has been speaking in these types of glowing terms about Clinton – when he speaks of her at all. Earlier in his campaign, McCain would not mention Senator Barack Obama without also mentioning Clinton, or vice versa. But as Obama’s grasp on the eventual Democratic nomination has grown increasingly firm, McCain’s speeches have more and more been peppered with criticisms of the Illinois Democrat alone.

  197. don’t read the comments in the section by Obamabots… hehe, I’m laughing my ass off…

    Just an example:

    Of course he praises her. DUH!! He is using their anger against Obama.

    He is welcoming the drones into his waiting open arms. Come cry on grampa’s shoulder.

    The pity is these people are probably dumb enough to fall for it.

  198. Kostner: The stupidity, lack of critical thinking skills, and immaturity of the obamabots never ceases to astound me. If they, possessed one iota of insight and intelligence, they would be changing their rhetoric towards Hillary supporters. They have no idea, the force and anger of millions of unhappy women, men, ethnic groups, and middle class workers, and the far-reaching effects that will carry over into the GE. It will be President McCain. Everytime, I read the garbage by the obamabots, I reflect it back to them, because they are the ones, that they are talking about or waiting for. Too bad, they aren’t waiting for the Hillary supporters, all 17 million plus voters.

  199. Wow, the way they talk! You wonder how those boys get someone to go out with them?

    They’re probably like “Hey, dumbass! Get over here and give me something!”

  200. was just reading upthread, and I didn’t watch the live stream, but when we talk about Hillary, Chelsea and Bill altogether – I think about that scene from the Incredibles where the whole family’s fighting the robots (bots).

    Also, upthread, love this summary from the letter Hillbilly quoted:

    I’m sorry but I just can’t buy a ticket to get on the bus that has run over the core constituency of the Democratic party: women, “bitter people clinging to guns and religion”, the working class (a dirty word to this new elitist Democratic party), the voters in Michigan and Florida, and anyone else who dares not to support “the chosen one.”

  201. Ya’ll I know it is temptin’ to think all is lost because the media is so invested in us believing that. But we can make some good use of our time by writing superdelegates. People are finally beginning to see just how much the deck has been stacked against Hillary by people in the media and elsewhere in government and just how much of a risk Obama is. So I’m gonna spend some time tonight and tomorrow contactin’ superdelegates about this whole mess and urging them to get on the Hillary bandwagon.

  202. hillbill…….what makes you think they are all little boys?? let’s not interject sexism here LOL 😀

    when i was in school….believe me i knew plenty of nasty girls who were really cruel bully’s

    so let’s be fair and give both the little boys (numnuts) and the little girls (biotches) equal treatment…..ok 😀

    personally i think they all need a time out in the corner standing on their tippy toes for 30 mins and their allowance
    taken away along with a early curfew 😀 LOL

    see what happens to our kids when teachers can’t use the ruler anymore!

  203. Good news re: that super secret superdelegate meeting from which BO was supposed to trot out a bloc of Senators backing him. NOT.

    The Rocky Mountain News reports:

    Sen. Ken Salazar joined a small group of fellow undecided Democratic superdelegates on Capitol Hill today, but said they reached no agreement on whether to endorse a presidential candidate as a group.

    The gathering created a major stir amid published reports that up to 15 previously uncommitted senators were on the verge of giving a united endorsement to Democratic front-runner Sen. Barack Obama.

    Salazar said he could make the case for either candidate. Others at the meeting included: Sens. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa; Ben Cardin, D-Md.; and Tom Carper, D-Del. [More…]

    Salazar said he won’t decide before the primaries end and will probably meet with other Senators again before deciding:

    Harkin said there would be another meeting with more uncommitted superdelegates on Wednesday. However, Harkin said he was not sure that the group would end up voting as a block.

    Also as yet undeclared from Colorado: Rep. John Salazar, Rep. Mark Udall and Gov. Bill Ritter

  204. So explain to me what there is exactly for a women to go back to Obama for. He has no women’s support programs in his plateform, he obviously looks at women as sexual objects, and he cannot interact with people unless he has a teleprompter telling him what to say.

    So women should run to Obama because he apologizes and say, I really did not mean it that way, and I really do appreicate you. Said by every women abuser since the start of History.

    Counselors tell abused women to walk out and keep on walking. As Susan B. Anthony said:

    Women should never wish or work for the success of a political party that ignores them.

    Susan is telling us to walk out the Democratic door.

  205. Carby,

    As for mikstakes in Gore’s strategy on the 2000 vote count — remember who was his campaign manager and told him not to push too hard? Donna Brazile, that’s who.

  206. djia Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    I like this guys analysis on the RBC decision and what it means for hillary……read on

    Hillary Clinton Will Be the Democratic Nominee?

    While the punditocracy is out there predicting Hillary’s resignation speech, I am officially declaring here that Clinton will rather make a large and spirited effort to win this nomination, and after Saturday, her chances are very, very good.

    1. The MI decision legitimized the so-called “flawed” primary.

    2. The outrageous MI rulings ensure that the deal is tainted, subject to review. This is yet another reason Clinton lives to fight on.

    3. The arbitrary decision to take Obama’s absurd position as “one fair argument”, and Hillary’s reasonable as another fair argument, both equally valid, and split them in two, reveals the DNC cockroaches when the lights are suddenly turned on.

    4. Stealing 4 MI dels and giving them to BO keeps Hillary’s chances alive, and should give SDs pause to think if they really want to go off the cliff with the Gang of 19 (19 to 8 vote at the RBC). Do they want to go back and face their voters this autumn, or in 2 years, with that stain on their records?

    5. The allocation of 55 MI dels to someone whose name was not on the ballot also let’s us march onto Denver.

    6. 50% of MI/FL is another reason to yell at the Dem leadership, “What kind of party have you turned into?”

    So yeah, we knew the fix was in. But like MLK, let’s turn the obstacles into our battle scars, and rally on.

  207. Per Taylor:

    Matthew Cooper chats with McCain backer Carly Fiorina, whom he identifies as a possible VP for the Arizona Senator, and asks her whether Senator Clinton has “faced sexism on the campaign trail:”

    “Yes. I think women in positions of power are treated differently, and the treatment of her demonstrates that,” she replies. “I have a lot of sympathy for what she’s gone through. A lot of women recognize she’s been treated differently, whether they’re Democrats or Republicans.”

  208. NewMexicoFan Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
    So women should run to Obama because he apologizes and say, I really did not mean it that way, and I really do appreicate you. Said by every women abuser since the start of History.

    Yep. But here it’s different . We walk out TEMPORARILY. We go on strike. Just long enough to teach the DNC a lesson and get them to switch to Hillary by August. Then we come back to a somewhat cleaned party.

    Or, we stay on strike through November, Obama=McGovern, and hopefully that gets rid of the Brazile/Obama faction and we get a much more cleaned party to come back to.

  209. Maybe we can get Dan Brown to write a book about the DNC. The “Greatest Coverup in Human History” is no longer the one contained in the Da Vinci Code.

  210. I just passed a tv in the emergency room and on it was Wexler and a couple others talking about Clinton as VP????

  211. So much for doing damage control for a tape that doesnt exist.

    MyTownTalks News You Can Use Home About Contact Michelle Obama Whitey transcript
    Posted by admin on June 2, 2008Well this is total rumor and I have no idea if this is accurate or not, but I was sent an email with part of the alleged speech of the reported Michelle Obama words where she mentioned Whitey. Take this at face value and I have no data what so ever if this is accurate or not, but since there has been so many comments on this topic then I will share what I was sent. Normally I would ignore this content, but since I’ve seen several Obama supporters on this site and other sites tell part of the exact phrase it may have some merit. You can make up your own mind. Me I’m still waiting for the entire tape before I make up my mind on what this really means.

    Reported verbiage from Michelle Obama’s tape

    “Once again, the white man keeps us down, what’s up with Whitey, Why’d he attack Iraq, Why’d he let Katrina happen, Why’d he leave millions of children behind. This is the legacy the white man gives us”

  212. After his performance Saturday, Wexler knows the only hope he has of holding onto his seat in congress is to get Hillary’s supporters in his district to vote for him. Bob: Nice try, but you blew it… Vote Ben Graber for congress…..

  213. Cheney agrees with his cousin Obama that suspension of gas tax is a bad idea. Nice team Obama/Cheney…

    WASHINGTON – Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday rejected a suspension of the federal gasoline tax as proposed by his party’s presumptive presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain. Cheney said it would offer little help to consumers coping with gas prices around $4 a gallon.

    The vice president’s critique went further than President Bush’s own comments on the idea, which appears dead anyway.

    “I think it’s a false notion, in the sense that you’re not going to have much of an impact, given the size of the gasoline tax on the total cost of the gallon of gas,” Cheney said when asked about the matter during a luncheon appearance. “You might buy a little bit of relief there, but it’s minimal.”

  214. Makes sense when Obama was doing damage control he only addressed the why’d parts of the tape that does not exist.

    Obama claims Michelle was saying why’d this and why’d that.

    Is this a real word why’d.

    Does this mean why would?

  215. kostner: “a little bit of relief” can be alot, to someone who is struggling, and not rich like Cheney.

  216. since when, is “why’d” a word? Especially, from a graduate of Princeton and Harvard Law? I guess, Ivy League education, isn’t what, it used to be.

  217. Wexler is the Florida congressman who made Obama’s case Saturday to only give FL delegates half a vote and avoided answering the panel’s questions if he would object to delegates receiving a full vote.

  218. Buried in the always slanted WaPo story is talk of a middle option;

    As Clinton made a final push for votes across South Dakota, her advisers said her options ranged from dropping out Tuesday night and endorsing Obama to making a final effort to convince uncommitted superdelegates that she would be a stronger rival to McCain.

    Another, according to senior Clinton advisers, is what they dubbed the “middle option,” for Clinton to suspend her campaign, acknowledging that Obama has crossed the delegate threshold but keeping her options open until the convention in late August. Advisers said she is looking at historical precedent while weighing her recent victories, including her landslide win in Puerto Rico, in trying to sort out what to do.

    Clinton has been angered by recent calls for her to quit, her advisers said, and the “soft landing” of suspending her campaign would allow her to move ahead on her own terms.

    Speaking to reporters in Sioux Falls, S.D., spokesman Mo Elleithee was unequivocal, saying that Clinton intends to spend the next several days “making the case to undecided delegates” and adding: “She’s in this race until we have a nominee. She expects to be that nominee.”

  219. birdgal, I have been busy at work, this first chance I have had to catch up with the blog. Am I reading this right, No Quarter is posting the video at 9 am in the morning?

  220. An obvious hole in her story is “Why’d he didn’t do anything about Jena”. Even in ebonics, that doesn’t make sense.

    Also Why’d He and Why-Tee have a totally different sound. I am fanning out over the web posting what shit this preemptive move is. Hope y’all are doing the same.

  221. Obama’s Ex-Church Has Won $15M in Federal Grant Money
    Monday, June 2, 2008
    By Jeff Goldblatt
    Across America seven days a week, parents drop their kids at day care centers, which are supported by funding from the federal government.
    But what makes one facility noteworthy in inner city Chicago is that it’s run by Trinity United Church of Christ. It’s the same church whose former head pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, drew widespread scrutiny after he cursed the U.S. government for its treatment of African-Americans.
    FOX News has learned that over the last 15 years, Trinity has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government — in other words, taxpayer money.
    Records show this money supported a variety of outreach: everything from low income housing to nutritional programs for needy kids to money for HIV/AIDS education. Wright blames the government for intentionally infecting the African-American community with that deadly virus.
    DePaul University journalism professor Laura Washington, who specializes in race and politics, said Wright is a hypocrite for taking money from the government.
    “On the one hand, he says, ‘God damn America’ and he says America is responsible for all the ills in the black community. On the other hand, he’s taking money from the same community he’s crucifying,” Washington said.
    But another scholar who specializes in religion and politics says Wright never swore off government funding like ultra-nationalist Black Muslims have.
    Andrew Walsh, associate director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., said Wright’s practices fall in line with his preaching.
    “Wright believes things like the government-funded programs are a necessary compensation for the legacy of white racism, part of what’s necessary to heal the wounds inflicted over four centuries on blacks. His niche is even more specialized– he does this sort of work in the context of white denominational mainline Protestantism, which, on the whole has welcomed both him and his message.”
    So, how did Trinity, given Wright’s controversial criticism of the government, get millions of dollars in handouts from Washington over the years?
    Democratic presidential candidate and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama says the grants didn’t come with any of his help, despite 20 years of membership at Trinity.
    In fact, after the Obama campaign learned FOX News was working on this report, it released a statement saying, “Barack Obama did not work to secure grant money for Trinity United Church of Christ while serving in the Illinois state Legislature or Congress.”
    But Jay Shafritz, an author and professor emeritus of public administration from the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, says at some level, politics invariably influences how government grant money is awarded.
    “This is very much a sophisticated operation of convincing the people in government that you are the most deserving person, because these grants are very often competitive,” he said.
    “It’s very much like good old fashioned patronage. In the old days, political machines had jobs to give their constituents. Nowadays, they offer them grants,” Shafritz continued.
    Shafritz examined the grant documents provided by FOX News and found no wrongdoing.
    Yet, he said there’s no way to know exactly how Trinity spent its millions in taxpayer money, since grant awards usually afford some latitude for discretionary use. He stressed that it’s clear the grants have helped Wright grow his once tiny ministry into a massive empire.
    “Before he embarrassed himself on national television with his rantings, he was a very, very sophisticated guy in terms of growing organizations. He knew how the game was played and he played it very well. But he’s not unique,” he said.
    Nationwide, African-American churches have used this kind of funding to pump investment into inner-city neighborhoods as a means of growing support — religious scholars say largely so under the Bush administration, when faith based grants increased significantly.
    “For these organizations, federal funding for things like senior centers or drug treatment programs or affordable housing helps them get where they want to go,” Walsh said.
    Trinity United refused comment on this story. But Wright, who officially retired on Monday, has long defended the legacy of community outreach provided by Trinity, which he founded 36 years ago.
    But Washington says if Wright felt it was OK to get resources from the government, the church shouldn’t preach against it.
    “It’s a dangerous thing to do because there’s a reason that the government gives that kind of support to the church. If the church bites the hand that feeds them, maybe that support is going to end.”

  222. Count the Votes:

    Indeed, that was Kenneth McClintock. He is perfectly bilingual, and very articulate. Being extremely articulate in two languages is very difficult. I didn’t know he was on Geraldo. That’s great.

  223. great article. I cut and pasted just a bit of it. Though I wonder why no one is focusing on other supporters of Hillary Clinton and their justified rage from having been tossed under the bus.

    White Women Take the Gloves Off
    By Froma Harrop

    The woman who shouted “McCain in ’08” at the Democratic rules committee was speaking for a multitude. After mounting for months, female anger over the choreographed dumping on Hillary Clinton and her supporters has exploded — and party loyalty be damned. That the women are beginning to have a good time is an especially bad sign for Barack Obama’s campaign.

    “Obama will NOT get my vote, and one step more,” Ellen Thorp, a 59-year-old flight attendant from Houston told me. “I have been a Democrat for 38 years. As of today, I am registering as an independent. Yee Haw!”

    A new Pew Research Center poll points to a surging tide of fury, especially among white women. As recently as April, this group preferred Obama over the presumptive Republican John McCain by three percentage points. By May, McCain enjoyed an eight-point lead among white women.

    What’s dangerous for the Democratic Party is that, for many women, the eye of the storm has moved beyond Hillary or anything she does at this point. The offense has turned personal.

    They are now in their own orbit, having abandoned popular Democratic Websites that reveled in crude anti-Hillary outpourings — and established new ones on which they trade stories of the Obama people’s nastiness.

    But worse than the online malice has been the affronts to their faces.

    Tara Wooters, a 39-year-old mother from Portland, Ore., told me that wearing a Hillary sticker around town has become an act of defiance. She recalls one young man telling her, “I’d rather vote for a black man than a menopausal woman.”

  224. Emmy, yes it was Kenneth. He made this point a few times – that Hillary has such a connection with Hispanic voters that she would not have to expend any money to try and get their votes in the Fall whereas Obama would have to do a lot of work and expend time to do so.

  225. confloyd: I don’t know. I haven’t been over to I don’t think, a release of the video is planned.

  226. Aw, What Michelle Really Meant was ‘why’d’ja’?

    No, that doesn’t quite work.

  227. Wagner,
    “Also Why’d He and Why-Tee have a totally different sound.”

    They’re doing the best they can 🙂

    They don’t have much to work with on this one… 🙂

  228. Paula
    see the pens game tonight? 3rd over time facing elimination they pulled it off. the last time they won the stanley cup was 92. again a very good year.

  229. The way I read the post upthread is that someone is posting the video a 9am. I can’t tell which one is doing it by the post. On no quarter the bots are betting actual money on the fact that Larry will come up with nothing! The bets are up to 1,000. Well, is there any other news, like is Hillary staying in?


    White Women Take the Gloves Off
    By Froma Harrop

    The woman who shouted “McCain in ‘08″ at the Democratic rules committee was speaking for a multitude. After mounting for months, female anger over the choreographed dumping on Hillary Clinton and her supporters has exploded — and party loyalty be damned. That the women are beginning to have a good time is an especially bad sign for Barack Obama’s campaign.
    Tara Wooters, a 39-year-old mother from Portland, Ore., told me that wearing a Hillary sticker around town has become an act of defiance. She recalls one young man telling her, “I’d rather vote for a black man than a menopausal woman.”

    Hot news flash: There’s more OF us.

    Blacks are 16% of the electorate, so Black men are 8%. We women are 50%. Dunno how many of us are menopausal, but we tend to have spare time and resolution.

  231. confloyd,
    See the excerpt from WaPo I posted at 12:42.

    As best I can piece it together, Hill’s remarks on the plane, where she referenced, essentially, Kennedy’s run and nothing counting until votes are actually cast at the convention, as the truest indication of her feelings and the direction she’d like to go in – rather obviously.
    That middle option they speak of would line up as the fall-back option.
    Paired with the bombs President Clinton rained on Vanity Fair and Todd Purdum, it’s hard not to see first & foremost a fighting mentality.

    I’d expect nothing less.

  232. confloyd: Larry does not have the tapes. I believe, he has heard from 4 sources that a tape exists. This is alot of conjecture, at this point in time. Just the fact that the waffle’s camapign came out and said, that MO said, “Why’d he” gives credence to the supposition that such a tape exists.

  233. Birdgal, I have read that post over and over, it clearly says Larry will produce the tape at nine am. Of coarse the other guy is saying that Larry said he will produce at 9 am, so maybe that the catch!

  234. “But he’s married to Dee Dee Myers.”

    “That’s alright… he’s still a scumbag.”

    Maybe my favorite moment of the campaign right there.

    Been saying this for about a year now, so what’s one more?

    Any march towards Denver must include media as an issue.

  235. here is what LJ originally posted (too be clear here)

    New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.

  236. Amidst the drama @ LJ’s is this little nugget, which tells a large chunk (but certainly not all) of the story.

    * The 37 primary states account for more than 97% of the vote —
    yet only 85.2% of the delegates

    * The 13 caucus states account for less than 3% of the vote —
    yet for 14.8% of the delegates.

  237. I’m a linguist. Trying to convince people Michelle Obama said ‘why’d he’ for Whitey doesn’t make sense. Whitey is a noun. ‘Why’d he’ means ‘why would he…’. That cannot possibly fit into a sentence in place of a noun. For instance: ‘Whitey did something’, or ‘Whitey doesn’t care’ cannot be ‘Why’d he did something’ or ‘Why’d he doesn’t care’.

  238. For what it’s worth; seems like the middle-ground position mentioned
    in WaPo, where IF she suspends she keeps her options open for Denver and sees what she might get from BO.
    From there she can always turn it down, see what happens in the coming months, and look like a sport to the party hacks (funny how no one’s called them that since Hill’sbeen trailing) for ‘graciously doing the right thing”.
    It’d make it that much easier for SD’s to move over when BO falls flat.

    NEW YORK (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Clinton is poised to deliver a message Tuesday “that she will do whatever it takes” to put a Democrat in the White House — a message that Sen. Barack Obama insiders say indicates she would accept an offer to be Obama’s running mate if asked.

    “In her speech tomorrow night, she will convey the message that first and foremost she is committed to Democrats winning in November and will do whatever she’s asked to do,” said a close friend and adviser of the New York senator and former first lady, who speaks with her regularly and is privy to her deliberations.

    “She will do whatever it takes to bring the party together to win and whatever is asked of her to make sure the Republicans are defeated.”

    That message has been conveyed to the Obama campaign via informal channels, according to Obama insiders who said the message is a signal that she would be willing to serve as Obama’s vice president.

    The Clinton and Obama campaigns told CNN there have been no formal discussions between the campaigns.

    Obama insiders are split over whether considering Clinton for the ticket is a good idea.

    “Obama has a philosophical aversion to making promises and pre-empting the process that is in place so Clinton can accommodate her interests,” one Obama insider said. “Sure, she’s on the short list, but there’s a whole process in place.”

    One Obama insider believes putting Clinton on the ticket would “ramp down the animosity” that exists between the supporters of the two candidates. But another insider said that “while there is mistrust between the two, it’s less about trusting her, and more about whether she can deliver.”

    Clinton and Obama go into the final two primaries of the Democratic nomination fight Tuesday with Obama leading in delegate totals, although the results in South Dakota and Montana won’t give him the 2,118 delegates he needs to secure the nomination. VideoWatch Sen. Clinton claim the popular vote »

    Instead, the Illinois senator must depend on superdelegates — party insiders and elected officials — to put him over the top.

    One such superdelegate — the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, House Majority Whip James Clyburn — will endorse Obama on Tuesday, multiple sources told CNN. A top Democratic operative said Clyburn will offer conciliatory remarks toward Clinton in an effort to bring the two campaigns together.

    In his endorsement speech, Clyburn is expected to talk about the historic nature of having a woman and an African-American run for the Democratic nomination and how important it is that these two leaders and their supporters bring the party together. Clyburn has been instrumental in trying to bring the two camps together and has delayed until now publicly stating his choice in the Democratic race.

    Democratic Party insiders are also discussing how to patch up Clinton’s relationship with the black community and how to bring African-American Clinton supporters into the Obama fold, several top Clinton supporters said.

  239. OK. Got this from NoQuarter:
    So, here’s what Martin posted:

    The Michelle Tape

    by BooMan
    Sun Jun 1st, 2008 at 11:57:57 PM EST
    My old friend, Larry Johnson, knows about manipulating elections from his training with the Central Intelligence Agency. He doesn’t want Obama to win the nomination for whatever reason, and he’s in full propaganda mode to do everything he can to frighten the superdelegates. He claims to have a shocking tape of Michelle Obama ranting in some anti-white diatribe. He promises to produce this tape tomorrow at 9am.

    From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

    How you’d write it:

    Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
    Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
    Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
    Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

    How you’d say it:

    Why’d he cut folks off medicaid?
    Why’d he let New Orleans drown?
    Why’d he do nothing about Jena?
    Why’d he put us in Iraq for no reason?

    How Larry Johnson wants you to hear it:

    Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
    Whitie let New Orleans drown?
    Whitie do nothing about Jena?
    Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

  240. oh NOW BO is willing to offer Hillary a VP slot huh…………… sounds like he’s pretty fearful and now knows that he will loose the GE without Hillarys supporter to vote for him…….sure hope she turns him down!

  241. I will not support a BO/HC ticket…….. that would be a huge mistake for Hillary,, no way should she attach herself to his potentially disastrous presidency!

  242. So supposedly, ‘Whitey’ (or Whitie) is really ‘Why did he’. If those are the verbs used, remarkably, all except ‘do’ are irregular verbs that have the same present and past tense forms, such as ‘cut’, ‘let’, ‘put’, and it works. That would be a big coincidence, wouldn’t it? Of course, ‘Whitie do nothing about Jena’ is ungrammatical. Very interesting.

  243. So if the tape is so innocent, it should be shown to defuse the potential bomb. (I think the script was made up. Whoever made it up goofed with the use of the verb ‘do’, which doesn’t work both ways.)

  244. NO Obama/Clinton! I’d work harder agaisnt that than Obama/anyone.

    For her own good, we can’t let Hillary tie herself up with that sexist idiot. If she propped him up and they won, then she’d be tied up for 8 years.

    NO WAY!

  245. Emmy

    and that is supposed to come from a Princeton grad a attorney no less…….someone who makes over 300K a year ?? LMAO OK right!

  246. love this post by a blogger on noquarter

    Poor Obama is busy now. He has to :

    – explain why he’s losing in the popular vote (like McGovern)
    – explain why someone who has raised a quarter of a billion dollars lost every swing state but one (Missouri)
    – explain why someone who has raised a quarter of a billiion dollars is limping to the finish line, tired, dispirited, unprepared, melting like a snow-cone in Phoenix, while his opponent is energized and prepared
    – explain why the democrats should nominate, for the presidency, someone who has never faced significant republican opposition before
    – explain why we should ignore electoral college projections that heavily favor Clinton over McCain, including projections that put Cal. in play if he is nominated, and the entire South, including Florida, out of play is he is nominated
    – explain why he’s cratering with independents
    – explain why he declared himself the nominee even though it is clear now that he will NEVER reach the required number of delegates
    – explain why Texas, yet another state he gamed through the screwed up caucus system, pulls its delegates out of disgust
    – explain why he keeps getting trounced by large margins
    – explain why, for the second time, he has disavowed a hateful minister (he implicitly disavowed McClurkin, the anti-gay black minister in SC)
    – keep a video of his hateful, manipulative, loud-mouthed, unhinged wife from the networks, cable and you-tube
    – explain why latino voters hate him so much
    – explain why white working class voters, the most important swing constituency in the country, continue to revile him so much
    – explain why the Edwards endorsement did nothing to help him with white working class voters, and the Richardson endorsement did nothing to help him with latinos
    – explain why the unity candidate has so many hateful associations
    – explain why the DNC, ever so coincidentally, chose to punish states likely to side with Clinton, and reward states likely to side with Obama
    – explain why he is, yet again, on the wrong side of a voter disenfranchisement scandal
    – explain why people should take him seriously in ANY foreign policy debate given his numerous gaffes, misstatements, embarassing lack of preparation, and utter incompetence in the Senate
    – explain why the post-racial candidate can’t survive without healthy doses of white liberal guilt and fanatical, unquestioned, black racial pride

    If I were an Obamanaut, I’d be scared too. When you’ve swallowed gallons of Kool-aid and cognitive dissonance for months, buyers remorse can be difficult. Poor Obama. Manchurian Candidates rarely fare well.

  247. Some pretty amazing statistics, from over at NoQuarter:

    Peniel Conin, President & CEO of Global Basic and, has written a detailed 13-page statistical report and analysis of caucus vs. primary results from the 2008 Democratic nominating campaign. (This has been reported at Talkleft here and here and here.)

    Conin suffers from a disability resulting from a car accident 40 years ago, which left her wheelchair bound at a time when there were no curb cuts or ramps and many places were inaccessible. That is what fueled her passion about caucus information.

    Among the information available in the report:

    * The 37 primary states account for more than 97% of the vote — yet only 85.2% of the delegates

    * The 13 caucus states account for less than 3% of the vote — yet for 14.8% of the delegates.

    * The 13 caucus states have roughly 3.2 million voting age people with disabilities. Unlike official state primaries, neither the ADA nor HAVA cover caucus-related disability issues and there is limited legal recourse to force the parties to comply with accessibility standards.

    * The average turnout in primary states has been 18.7%. This is more than four-fold the average turnout in caucus states, which has been 4.5%

    * In the 37 primaries, Hillary Clinton is up 500,000 votes (counting Florida and Michigan; She is up by 350,000 votes if Obama is given 75% of the uncommitted vote in Michigan). In the 13 caucus states, Obama is up 300,000 votes

    * Clinton has won 20 of the 37 primaries, but only 1 of the 17 caucuses

  248. There is no way will i support a O/C ticket. If she accepts a VP sport. I can never forgive her. Especially after what this party has done to her

  249. One of my co-workers, who is an independent and who had been happily (but not rabidly) supporting Obama this entire primary, told me today that he was switching to supporting Clinton! Said the Trinity church stuff was just too much for him. Just one voter, but it made my day.

  250. The coverage over at Politico, CNN, and all the mainstream media “major” sites has been ludicrous: big, splashy front-page articles about how the campaign is “winding down,” Obama is “on the verge,” etc. and then buried beneath those supposedly subjective headlines are small stories, quoting Hillary and Ickes and others with the Clinton campaign, as they all leave NO doubt that they are NOT conceding. Unbelievable.

  251. Shorttermer & Debbie: Just want to thank you both for your very kind words. My own strength is merely a reflection of the strength we Clinton supporters possess as a group. I am honored to have been able to participate in this election and to have met everyone here and on many, many other sites and venues.

    Informed in Illinois: As I wrote to the campaign, I will gladly be one of the WWII Japanese soldiers fighting on well after things have been decided. That is, I will never give up on Hillary. That isn’t even a consideration.

    However, I’m pragmatic. And in that vein it is time to start working a parallel process of continuing our support of HRC as the primary elections wind down and at the same time beginning to combine forces with the McCain folks so that the goal of defeating Bambi Ofraudma is achieved, one way or the other. There isn’t any dissonance for me, or, I think, most of us on this count. The goal is the same: Prevent the anti-American race-baiter from getting into the White House.

    I understand where you’re coming from, totally. I am fully behind Hillary and will continue to be all the way until she is nominated in August. Many of us — like, curiosityhasme, … — however, have begun to work on our contingency plans.

    * James Clyburn and Robert Wexler — You are both sacks of crap. I respected both of you before this process and respect neither of you now. And you both worked your asses off to earn that disrespect. Clyburn, what you and people like Wilder and Brazile have done in setting back African-Americans with your unconscionable rabble rousing is a travesty to the legacy of people like MLK. You are a joke. People like you and Everett Ward mock people like John Lewis and Andrew Young, men who are true Civil Rights heroes.

    * Taylor Marsh is going to Denver with credentials. I don’t care if that person gets 1,000,000 signatures. This is in the bank, politically.

    * Michelle Obama, apparently, isn’t the brightest bulb in the world. According to this piece by Newsweek:

    …Michelle was very comfortable letting people know she had benefited from affirmative action in getting into Harvard Law, according to (then-(?)) friend Verna Williams:

    Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. “She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that,” Williams recalls.

    Of course, Michelle now denies those sentiments.

    *rolls eyes*

    Anyways, it appears as those this woman who talks about Barack “deign”-ing to be in politics isn’t quite the mental buzzsaw she would like to present herself as.

    Looks like her high school guidance counselors didn’t think “Whitey” was Princeton material. Hmmmm.

    “… but she was not at the top of her class. She didn’t get the attention of the school’s college counselors, who helped the brightest students find spots at prestigious universities. … Some of her teachers told her she didn’t have the grades or test scores to make it to the Ivies. But she applied to Princeton and was accepted.”

    Affirmative action for someone who wasn’t qualified?

    You be the judge.

    Oh, and then there’s the matter of Mish’s apparently failing her 1988 bar exam in Illinois:

    Steve Sailer reports that Michelle Obama failed the July 1988 Illinois bar exam.

    What’s even worse is that my brother — a member of the California bar who passed his exam on his first try (nothing wrong with not doing so, it’s the arrogance of acting like you’re a queen when you’re more like a charity case that makes bar exam failures problematic) — told me that the latest data shows the % of those who pass on the IL exam is like 82%, a far higher rate than in states like CA whose tests are considered far more difficult than the one in IL.

    Oh, and it looks like Mish had the summer to study, too, because she had already been hired by Sidley Austin when she graduated, making her focus for the firm and their rep passing that test she apparently failed. I’m sure Sidley was thrilled with the result. Ha ha.

    So the next time someone tries to tell you that Mish ‘earned’ her nearly $200,000 raise in March 2005 — you know, the salary increase that came not long after Bambi became senator and a year before Bambs went quid pro quo by trying to earmark $1 million for the University of Chicago Hospital Mish got the raise from — you tell them that Mish is an admitted affirmative action baby who was apparently one of only a small number of IL bar exam participants (not to mentioned Harvard Law grads) who couldn’t pass the bar.

    This woman, this recipient of “Whitey”s largess, is the person who’s so DAMN angry and underpaid?

    F-A-R-C-E. And ingrate. Girl done went Dubya by not earning her way into 2 Ivy League admissions and she’s whining like Cheney has to give her something?

    These are your Bambians.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal
    Join the 20,000+ in over 100 countries on 6 continents who have seen the truth about Barack Hussein Obama

    The Essential Obama videos:

    Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism

    The Obama Cult (Ruby Ridge Remix)

    The Obama Equation

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate

  252. you guys better get prepared, i read an article where a bunch of non committed supers, said they are relieved to be able to say tomorrow or the next day, who they are backing. many said they have had a miserable life, because people called them constantly, sent them unceasing letters and emails, and made their lives hell…

    they said uncommitted didnt mean undecided. they said they knew who they wanted, but waited to see if the people felt the same way, and they said its become obvious that obama will be the winner, and their choice and the peoples choice is the same…

    we must understand, we are hillary junkies, we are informed and know all the facts, everyone else, not so much…
    not even the supers know much about their precious candidate…
    we are going to get a huge blow with these supers.
    obamabots have known for weeks now, that they are all going to come out for him in the end.


  253. skmf12, We fight on without Hillary because we cannot let this man take over our party much less our country! If the SD’s are this stupid, you in the H elected this idiots? How can they possibly want to nominate a man with such a background, the American people will never let him take the Presidency!

  254. Well the emergency room went crazy tonight with crazy people,LOL!!

    Is Larry going to play the tape in the morning or not?

  255. The supers are wrong. The voters have clearly decided on Clinton, and the supers are merely going along with their elitist coup. They don’t give a F_CK about the people’s will. Nor do they care about winning in November or that HRC has gotten approximately 660,000 more votes than Bambi since March 3rd. The fix is in.

    I’m going to recast something I put on TalkLeft the other day. It is a counter to one of the Bambian talking points seeking — and failing — to refute that overwhelming electoral advantage HRC has over BHO:

    The Bambians are trying to compare Kerry’s electoral numbers versus Bush at this time of the race with those of HRC vs BHO.

    No chance.

    Kerry’s numbers were very high before he got swiftboated. And that is a Purple Heart recipient who was laid low by the GOP.

    Well, you think the GOP will be able to swiftboat Bambi on Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, Rezko, typical white person, …?

    Obama’s numbers will fall through the earth after the 527’s get through with him. His unfavorables are already at 53% and that is before the GOP has begun to “Kerry” him.

    There is no comparison b/n Kerry-Bush EV #’s and Clinton-BHO EV #s now. Except that as Kerry fell via SwiftBoat, Obama will plummet even further.

  256. Anyone know the latest, current poll numbers, for Hillary vs Obama, among Democratic voters? Among Dems + indeps? Among all voters? Seems to me this information would be crucial to SDs.

  257. Berk,
    BO by 10 last I saw from Gallup. That was another big part of the whole RFK-led beatdown these past weeks, to help them get to
    “It’s Over” time and make everyone think Hill’s out or imminently leaving, thus affecting her numbers (perhaps; a bit).

    Those numbers could still move significantly (more) in our favor.
    (More because many of the last state-by-staters still favored us)

    A strong statement by Hill that THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT will be SHOCKING & viewed quite favorably by the public, I believe.

    (The media will go fucking APE SHIT!!! That alone would be worth it 🙂

    Every single time she’s seen fighting she shoots up.

  258. If the SD’s and the DNC name Obama as the nominee, we work our asses off to get McCain elected and then start planning for 2012.

  259. hi hillfans, to tell ya the truth i am annoyed at no quater for making a big deal about the tape only to say”oh well i heard THERE IS A TAPE” wtf is that all about?

  260. rjk,
    I know. Why do I feel like the only one who doesn’t regard what SD’s do in the next 72 hours as critical, because as Hill says they can change at any time – provided she doesn’t pack it in?

    If she refuses to acknowledge him as legitimate and proceeds ‘suspended’, I really think she holds ALL the cards as far as gaining at least ‘a BAD draw’ (where she gets Veeped).
    That should be the worst case scenario, unless she wants major platforms instead (she should get BOTH at a minimum).

    Or she gets the presidency, which I STILL think she does ultimately if she hangs in.

  261. PEOPLE,


    ***********WASHINGTON — Pointing the way to a peaceful end for the tumultuous presidential primary campaign, some key supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that they accepted a new finish line in the race for delegates, a threshold Barack Obama could reach as soon as this week.

    Obama aides said they expected him to surpass the 2,118 needed delegates after the final Democratic balloting finished Tuesday in South Dakota and Montana, and as more superdelegates backed the Illinois senator.

    Plenty of soul-searching at Obama’s former church Florida, Michigan Democratic delegates to get half-votes, officials decideClinton wins in Puerto Rico by a landslide
    Clinton’s supporters vent their frustration
    DNC rules hearing: a peek under the hood of democracy
    Moreover, a number of Clinton backers signaled Sunday that they were wary of the kind of protracted fight that some of her aides said they might wage in the coming months.

    “It would be most beneficial if we resolved this nomination sooner rather than later,” said U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a high-profile superdelegate who backs Clinton. “The more time we have to get through a general-election period and the more time we have to prepare in advance of the convention, the better.”

    Some of Clinton’s closest advisors want the New York senator to challenge the party’s unusual decision Saturday to shift four of Clinton’s Michigan delegates to Obama in an attempt to reflect how voters might have cast ballots and to allocate Michigan’s uncommitted delegates to Obama, even though his name did not appear on the ballot in the state.

    Even if Clinton won those delegates in a challenge, it would be unlikely to alter the outcome.

    “She’ll do the right thing for America, and I don’t think we’re going to fight this at the convention,” said Pennsylvania Gov. Edward G. Rendell, a top Clinton supporter and party superdelegate, speaking on CBS. “Because even were we to win it, unless it’s going to change enough delegates for Sen. Clinton to get the nomination, then it would be a fight that would have no purpose.”

    Alice Huffman, a member of the rules panel and a superdelegate committed to Clinton, said she would not support an appeal if Obama had clearly won the delegate fight.

    “What’s the point for a challenge, if a challenge doesn’t change the status of anything?” asked Huffman, the president of the California branch of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People.

    Such sentiments signaled that the Democratic Party might have vaulted a major hurdle in its quest to move beyond the competitive primary season and lay the groundwork for the fall campaign against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain. That achievement came Saturday when the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee agreed to seat the disqualified Florida and Michigan delegations, but to halve their votes as punishment for holding their primaries early.

    Clinton and her top aides conceded nothing Sunday, and even used their own mathematical formula to declare her the winner of the popular vote. But she may begin feeling intense pressure from within her camp to stand down, should Obama cross the delegate threshold for victory.

    “I don’t think anybody’s going to have much tolerance” for a convention fight, said Democratic strategist Bill Carrick, who is neutral in this race. “The big rationale for the Clinton campaign to continue among insiders and superdelegates was that they were going to get a big pickup of delegates from Florida and Michigan. There was no big pickup.”

    The events Saturday had seemed to portend a more combative course — with Clinton loyalists openly jeering members of the rules committee and vowing to take her cause to the floor of the party’s national nominating convention this summer in Denver.

    That is exactly the nightmare scenario that party strategists believe could doom their hopes by further antagonizing key constituencies such as African Americans, women and working-class whites.

    The question of Florida and Michigan has hung over the campaign for months. When Clinton fell behind Obama in the delegate count, she began to argue that the states should be fully counted. Clinton had hoped that the party would not only restore the state’s delegations but would allocate delegates based on her massive victories, perhaps even denying Obama any Michigan delegates because he had pulled his name from the ballot.

    That, Clinton aides believed, would have helped pull her close enough to Obama that she could convince party superdelegates to hand her the nomination.

    Saturday’s ruling dashed those hopes.

    Clinton picked up just 24 more pledged delegates than Obama from the two states. Even with Clinton’s decisive win in Puerto Rico, Obama is now within 47 delegates of victory. Clinton needs 202.5.

    A top Obama advisor, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), said Sunday on NBC that the campaign expected superdelegates to come forward for Obama in the coming days. Referring to the 2,118 goal, Daschle added, “you’re going to see, at the end of this week, a definitive moment . . . where he will have surpassed that number.”

    Obama, addressing supporters in South Dakota, said he had called Clinton to congratulate her on her Puerto Rico win — but he also looked ahead to her role as a surrogate for him in the fall.


  262. Last thing;

    Did we even know of Reverend Wright 3 months ago?

    It really broke around March, no?

    August is a long way off……

  263. Blue Democrat

    I am convinced something big is going to happen between now and August. It is just party elders seem to bend over backwards making excuses for him at every turn and I am sick of it. This is not the democratic party I grew up in.

  264. ““I don’t think anybody’s going to have much tolerance” for a convention fight”

    Why do these MFers talk like they possess some power they do not have?

    *Anybody know how many nominations (for either party) in history have been decided at conventions versus beforehand?*

    it’s a relatively new phenomenon, the infomercial convention.

  265. hillary isnt going to be vp, thats koolaid talk…


    as for larry on the tape, why is everyone so uptight about that?
    he never ever said he had it. he has done a great service though.
    in that he has made its possibility come out in the open.
    if it does exist like he thinks it does, he’s making it hard for them to
    keep it hidden, cause he’s got everybody and their mother out looking for it.
    and even SMARTER, he has made obamas camp come out and comment on it, and now there is this whole media frenzy about it..

    i say thank you brother larry, nothing like a warrior, that isnt afraid to stir the shit up and see where it flies…
    if he forces someones hand, good for him

  266. skmf,

    Well, Cheney-power is practically president.
    Maybe even better in some ways.

    I don’t think she wants it either, or whether it’d be offered.

    But if she did, she could demand that – or wreak havoc – and likely win.

  267. Hillary has various options. She can force this all the way to convention
    whether they like it or not. She can piss them off and they know she can create and enormous amount of damage to golden boy.

    She could accept the VP slot on the premise that she knows that the MSM is going to go after him and bring him down, that way she steps into the void when he has to resign and also keeps leechers like Edwards out of the way of snatching it from under her. I don’t like it anymore than you do but it might have to be done and a classic case of taking it out from under him, after all, the vp is the next step in. Do you want if they make golden boy the nominee, some like Edwards or Richardson sitting there waiting by default if anything happens to him.

  268. NYDN;

    But a campaign source said Clinton is planning one final gut check before throwing in the towel on her White House dream – even as other party sources say some of her own superdelegates are talking of bolting if she doesn’t quit.
    The Clintons “are considering more seriously than you’d imagine” taking the fight to the party’s credentials committee, the source said.

    If Clinton was resigned to defeat, she wouldn’t let it show to her die-hard fans outside Tally’s diner in Rapid City, S.D., who urged her, “Keep fighting!”
    “Don’t get discouraged. Keep the faith,” Clinton told one woman. “We’ll follow through,” she promised.

  269. This whitey tape may exist but there may be a tape of the Obamas’ sitting in that church nodding along to one of Wright’s racist sermons.

  270. Interesting theres only 1 poll out on SD and Montana, could it be, that he’s actually losing there and does not want to create bad PR.

    After all looking at the ARG polls, she will win SD and looks possibly able to take Montana.

  271. moononpluto

    If he loses with Hillary on the ticket, she might be tainted by his loss. I’m beginning to think that we may have to wait for Rove. After he collapses, the party will coming begging for Hillary to save them.

  272. warehouse, what i am worried about is the DEm party putting a bastard like Edwards or that or the ticket and then they hand him the nomination after bambi collapses, thats all.

    Think about it, if they put the nomination through as Obama/Edwards and Obama then collapses then who do you think they will hand it to. Edwards would move on up.

  273. As said before, The VP slot if we cannot take the nomination away is perhaps a crazy but yet smart thing and hers for the asking.

    She could sit back and wait for him to collapse before November. If its too late for this cycle then she would be right in her justification to say in 2012. You didnt give me the nomination, Obama was a huge risk and look how that turned out when you were safer with me at the top of the Presidential ticket.

    Easier to destroy from within than from outside and 5 months to do it in.

    However do i want her to do it, hell no, but if theres a chance she becomes President out of it, hell yeah.

  274. I don’t think Hillary would do this unless she knew something that put her in that position. Again, the tape Larry should be concentrating on is the one that’s far more credible, Obama in that church with Wright!

  275. Are we sure he’ll lose. Hillary will have to campaign for him but help her we have to vote against Obama with her on the ticket. Some of her supporters might vote for that ticket.

  276. It has to be now or 2012. In 2016, we’ll have to worry about Webb or worse Mark Warner! Edwards is fraud but I do agree he may try to cozy up to Obama to be President one day. If she takes it, he has to lose!

  277. What i am worried about is, if we cannot take the nomination now, then take the VP slot to stop the bandwaggoners.

    God help us, if he takes Edwards on board, they actually do squeak out a win somehow, we are saddled with those 2 for 16 years and we lose Hillary forever.

    2012 is risky, you will have Webb and Warner biting at heels and if they did what they did to Hillary now, they sure as hell will do it again in 2012.

    Do we cut our noses off to spite our faces or Do we get her in the door and then watch Bambi fall on his ass.

    Someone made a point last night i never considered, that at least with Hillary as VP, we have someone in that office that will hold bambi accountable if he somehow managed to win, someone to make sure that he doesnt get away with anything and protect our stake in this country.

    Thats my concern.

  278. Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said there is an MO Bomb being dropped tomorrow by Republicans. Way bigger than a college thesis!

  279. Oh that makes sense, do it right as he claims the nomination throwing the party into disarray. Which would make sense as to why Hillary aint throwing the towel tonight.

  280. John Edwards is TOAST he will NOT get the v p slot because he can’t deliever anything that Obama doesn’t have already.

  281. Don’t listen to the pundit today because is so very insulting and patronizing in how they expect Hillary Clinton to HELP Obama become president while sticking the KNIFE in their back.

    Also Morning Joe with playmate Mika is a joke….AA’s can’t help the democrats in the swing states…sorry but I’m a realist and I live in a swing state and know…California will go Republican is Obama is the nominee. But I know most people need to see it happens because they think I/we don’t know what we’re talking about.

    But wait and see…Nancy, Diane and Barbara can’t help Ofaker win in CA…my brother who is an Ofaker supporter knows Obama is going to have a very hard time here.

  282. The WEAK DNC and democrats wants Hillary to QUIT and HELP Obambi. While at the same time TEAM OBAMA will do everything to wipe the Clinton legacy out of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and put all those losers up in there place so he can control the party.

    If you don’t like the Slime of Chicago Corrupted Politics and don’t want it duplicated at the national level then Vote NO OBAMBA…it’s Hillary or McCain. You thought GWB and the Texas cowboys was bad….then watch who the Daley Machine and the rest of those slimeballs go to Washington.

    It’s up to Team Obama usual tricks to try and suppress the voters out of this primary season…but in the G.E. it’s going to be an either or proposition.

  283. Now the DNC wants to HUSH US UP and pat us on top of our head and say “little girls it time for you to fall in line and get behind big daddy.”

    THIS IS WAR and DON’T FALL FOR THE B.S. Obama will STILL be the same man today, tommorrow and forever….this is how he campaigns…this marxist and his supporters think he will be the next president…so now Rep. John Clyburn is talking about 1963 and racial and gender equality and how Obama is the beneficiary of this.


    The DNC knows they have a big problem but they think Obama can charm his way to the White House after all the crap the Howard Dean wing of the party set this up….It will Fail!

    Once your negativity rating go up it will be very hard for Obama to reduce it because he has NOT build up any goodwill through his work for the American voters. What is being written in the book is what will be his legacy. Obambi has nothing else going for him…except that he is a Black 1st term senator from Illinois with a very, very weak resume and anti American associates.

    Obama better not order his tux.


    That “Whitey” tape may exist, and maybe not. I didn’t realize we were talking about the same Larry Sinclair who was reported to have failed two polygraph tests regarding Obama, drugs, and oral sex. Does this guy still have any credibility? See here:

    OTOH, it is interesting that someone above here reported Bob Beckel is saying the Repugs will drop a bombshell on Obama tomorrow. While my respect for Beckel has dropped like a rock, and I didn’t hear him say it, I can only hope there is something to this story.

  285. Bob Beckel does not say this sort of thing unless he has heard something major. Why would he say it otherwise, no point is there?

  286. # texan4hillary Says:
    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 am

    larry DOES NOT HAVE THE TAPE. but this rumor is now everywhere online.
    Exactly and he never said he had it, only that he talked to several people who have seen it

    People are angry at him because of their own poor comprehension skills

  287. I said a few days ago if the tape exists and the Republicans have it, they would wait until Obama claims victory along with Dean, Pelosi and the gang all coming out saying the nomination is his. That way it keeps the nomination process in chaos until the convention. The Republicans fear time more than Obama, the more time Obama has with no distractions the better his chances of beating McCain.

  288. What ever the Repubs have on BO and MO they would hold it until the convention because they want idiot Dems to go beyond a pont of no return.

  289. I’m torturing myself and watching MSNBC….the gloating of Tim Russet, Playmate Mike, Rep. Clyburn and the rest of those bums has made me soooo angry.

    Still like Pat Buchanan, he has all my respect.

    Tim Russert is telling Hillary, that if she want a place on the ticket or in the party she can’t be preceived being a spoilsport…(she has to kiss his ring).

    NEVER in my lifetime have I seen a candidate who has won the popular votes of the democrats treated this way…public humiliation and ordered to HELP their WEAK ASS CANDIDATE CHOICE. NO RESPECT at all a bunch of SEXIST JERKS and weak women traitors. Arrogance thy name is TEAM OBAMA.

  290. In 24 hours we will all know that Hillary has no intention to drop out or take the VP position. Bill does not like Obama. He will not campaign for him either. Obama burnt that bridge in SC. She is winning. Nobody calls it quits when they are ahead.

    We are in open civil war. No matter the words that come out of her mouth tonight (team player etc.), it is for public consumption and not much else. Team Hillary has cards up their sleeves. They have friends in high places that Obama does not have. In fact they have buddies all over the place including inside the GOP. If she wanted to quit, she would have done it a long time ago and saved herself a bunch of money.

    Do not fall for the propaganda that is being pushed to sway the SDs by the Obama camp. We have already discussed this before. After tonight, we are moving into a brand new phase of the race. No more voter input. It is now all about who can win over the Supers. The nomination is in their hands. Hillary is picking up and not losing ground with them. On what basis do I make this claim? Because his would have already came out to end all this before he suffered the humiliating losses from the last bunch of primaries. The uncommitted are wavering and he knows it. So he is playing the “I am already crowned” game. It is not going to work.

    The media will try to flex its muscles but will find its influence greatly diminished. All the reports about her suspending, taking the VP slot are nothing but trash to put fear into the hearts of her supporters. Let’s be prepared. Fasten your seatbelts. Don’t listen to any of the BS coming from the media. Aren’t we trained already by now? We are her team. We must trust since we will not be privy to the backroom dealing. Hillary is our helmswoman. She will take us to Denver. Believe and continue to fight.

  291. If the fix is in for Obama,

    and Hillary realizes it’s pointless to keep fighting for the nomination,

    and if she suspends her campaign,

    and if she begins immediately to campaign vigorously for Obama,

    and the hoped for bombshell drops before August, (our only hope?)

    and the superdelegates decide Obama is the wrong one,

    They could still choose Clinton as the nominee. She would have only shown herself to be the loyal Democrat we know she is.

    If the Beckel story is true, then erase all of that.

  292. Actually no Clintondem, they would do enormous damage right now by dropping it tomorrow morning when Bambi declares himself winner and then the SD’s endorse and then the GOP makes the party members look like complete assholes in one foul swoop and the party rips itself apart. Bloody brilliant strategy actually.

    They destabilize Bambi, make the Dems look stupid and sexist in one go, pure genius.

  293. I’m SAYING ALL or DENVER this is her/our chance and you have to go all the way. There is NO second chances and to assume there is…is crazy.

    Obama and Hillary is in the same boat…they BOTH need SDs to win the nomination.


    I’m still on the HIllary BANDWAGON until HILLARY SAYS DIFFERNTLY, then it’s McCain because I WILL NOT LOWER MY STANDARDS and VOTE FOR OBAMBI…this country can’t afford to have another GWB even if he comes from the LEFT.

  294. moononpluto, It may be tactically good but not strategically because it would give the Dems time to recover. I do not think Repugs would like to do that Do you think they would like to help Hillary fully knowing she could kick their butt??. I wish they do drop the bomb now because it would surely help us.

  295. clintondem, perhaps its a case now of they want to take him out now because he may become a threat, we’ve seen how he attacks opponents and between them they decided Hillary is the lesser of 2 evils.

  296. Hillary is not ready to throw in the towel, and how about the meeting of those 17 or so Senators who were supposed to deliver the coup de grace that knocked Hillary out of the race. They didn’t do it! They are not ready to jump onto a bandwagon that may not get out of the starting gate, to mix metaphors.

    Then what would be the impact on the SD’s of Hillary winning both primaries today? Or even one by a big margin? We have to wait and see.

    This thing ain’t over.

  297. If Hillary wins South Dakota, that will be a huge problem because she will have taken one of his supposed states of him.

    The bots on DU are worried, they have said him losing SD today would be a big problem. It might just point out what a big crock those bogus caucus states around it were.

    I find it hard to believe that ARG are wrong in this they have been extremely accurate for quite a while now and you notice no one is polling SD and Montana, why?

  298. I think there is a clear strategy on the part of BO’s camp not piss off Hillary supporters after seeing the blow back after the weekend. I think they are really scared that lots of Dems would bolt!

  299. sherm kader

    i would like to stop the rumor that larry sinclair didn’t pass his polygraph test…….IF you and others had really checked your facts
    on this instead of repeating the obama camp memo you would know that the polly test was 2 parts

    he passed the machine test but he “failed” the human reading of the test

    meaning………. the one being paid to give this test was not even certified to give such a test!!! (honest,look it up)
    and he was paid by who would not even publish any of this as promised. they have been accused of
    being on the obama payroll as well……….so who you going to believe the machine or the uncertified paid by bambi
    polly test giver??? I would like to ask you to quit using bambi propaganda as facts……do your home work 1st

  300. This is a sad day in the Democratic Party. MSM saying that Hillary can’nt act like a spoilsport if she wants a place on the ticket, why would she, she knows he will lose, why damage her political career by going down with him? MSM is saying that if Core Democrates do not vote for Obama it is because he is an AA. Being an AA has nothing to do with it, being turned away form our party is the reason. The pary has turned their backs on the hard the Core Democrats (women,middle class and rural voters) and we will not stand by them any longer, It is my turn, to turn my back on the Democrats! People ask me why I would vote for McCain, I give them the reason I just stated, and I add that, with McCain I know what I am getting, Obama, I am not sure who he is and what he stands for. As time goes by I am feeling more and more comfortable about my decision. I will be calling my local county voter registration office today and changing to an Independent (just in case the party does the right thing I will keep my options open) I hope you will all do the same.

  301. Clintondem99

    Yes, lots of Dems are planning to bolt.

    So Why’d either means that she cannot use correct English or she is talking down to people.

    Yes, if the SDs don’t and are not listening, you have to wonder what their political IQ is. To say that Obama is winning, based on all the superb analysis done on the numbers, even a eighth grader could figure this out.

    He is not ahead in the popular vote, the caucus vote only accomodated a small % of the populations of those state, blue states plus purple state get you the nomination with the electorial college, and all the white haired old men (excluding Richardson who must dye his hair) have not been able to deliver thier states (Richardson did not even try and his trips to Puerto Rice were useless). Edwards endorsement meant nothing.

    Can you imagine what Senator Clinton will do with money, and the SDs in her corner. So throw away the nomination for the good old whatever club. The very existance of the party hangs on this. Don’t let the men fool you. It has been a long time since they have been able to change the minds of women over 40.

    My change of party form is made out, and I am ready to sign it. I will also work against you the next time you run. I have already voted against the Obama supporter in my state. I keep a list, and I keep it up to date.


  302. here are the facts:

    Larry Sinclair took a polygraph test in February confident that he would pass and he challenged Obama to do the same. The test was arranged by an internet site best known for pornography and anti-Clinton political satire.

    The raw computer readings showed that Larry Sinclair passed the test with flying colours. But two testers hired by re-interpreted the readings to claim that they showed deception. One of the testers was Edward I. Gelb who has been exposed by specialists in the field for claiming a phony Ph.D. refused to publish the full results or the video of the test and in many other respects breached good faith undertakings they gave Sinclair to induce him to participate. He claims that he and his attorney are in possession of information that the Obama campaign bribed to distort the test and spin the presentation of the results. has not denied these allegations but has abruptly gone silent on the matter.

  303. Obama Has Another Farrakhan Problem
    By Chicagoan on June 3, 2008 at 7:15 AM
    Barack Obama has a Farrakhan problem, and it is on his website’s Faith page.
    DNC Member and Illinois superdelegate Rev. Willie Barrow is old friend of Barack Obama. She is a member of his Faith Outreach Team. Barrow has known Obama for many years, and she has met his children and his wife. Obama, according to Barrow, also attended many of her broadcasts.
    Rev. Willie Brown is also a close friend of Louis Farrakhan, anti-Semitic leader of the controversial Nation of Islam. In fact, Brown shares many of Farrakhan’s viewpoints. She is also an unapologetic defender of the anti-Semitic and homophobic Nation of Islam leader. But she is also a member of Obama’s Faith Outreach Team. This raises questions about Obama’s faith and about his campaign’s choice of leadership. Should a President have close Farrakhan allies on his campaign’s leadership team? Does Obama’s Faith Outreach involve anti-Semitism and homophobia? Is this another actor in the Donnie McClurkin, Reverend “God Damn America” Jeremiah Wright, Reverend Moss, Reverend Meeks and Father Pfleger show of freaks from inner city Chicago?

    Barrow is a staunch Farrakhan ally. In 2006 she condemned four members who resigned from the Illinois state Hate Crimes Commission she chairs. The four members who resigned are Jewish, and all four resigned as a result of Governor Blagojevich’s refusal to remove Sister Claudette Muhammad, Minister of Protocal of the hateful National of Islam, from the Hate Crimes Commission. Serving with a Farrakhan ally on a Hate Crimes Board was impossible for the four members.
    **** more to the article @ *****

  304. People, let’s not get angry (which, is hard to do) but lets get even with our votes in November, and hope the best for Hillary she is a fighter and will land on her feet!. I am looking foward to this Summer and Fall as the Republicans smear Obama as a Terrorist (William Ayars),a Racist (Trinity Church) and a non supporter of our troops (he has refused to meet with some vets from his home state, there is a 527 airing out there on this issue) and last but not least his wife,(enoough said on that subjuct). McCain will look like a Boy Scout compared to Obama. When all said and done, McCain will be wrapped in the flag and will be the winner!

  305. 17 S. Dakota County Commissioners Do Not Endorse the “Presumptive Nominee” »
    By Uppity Woman on June 3, 2008 at 2:00 AM in
    As Barky Obama continues to crawl on his knees through broken glass toward the finish line, hoping his fairy godmother at the DNC pushes his limping butt to the other side, 17 Commisioners of 15 South Dakota Counties have endorsed Hillary Clinton. Kind of makes you wonder exactly how much confidence people have in “presumptive” nominee Barack Obama even at this late date, doesn’t it?
    With less than fifty percent of the popular vote, Barack Obama still hasn’t closed his own deal, even after he was given free Michigan delegates and votes that were actually cast for other candidates. He hasn’t closed his own deal even after four delegates were arbitrarily removed from Hillary Clinton’s total and given to him as an Affirmative Action Gift from the Rules Committee.
    There just aren’t going to be any more primaries after today, so Barky is going to need another Affirmative Action injection in order to be declared the “winner”. Apparently, none of this seems to be a problem for the Party. Somebody needs to explain to them that in General Elections, nobody gets spotted any points. Somebody needs to explain to them that there are no caucuses in General Elections, so no busloads of college students will be at the polls taking control of the room, threatening old ladies and fudging results. Come to think of it, somebody will explain these things to them–on November 4.

    Read the rest

  306. Clinton Campaign Announces the Endorsement of 22 South Dakota Native American Leaders
    Prominent tribal officials to lead outreach efforts in Indian Country
    Following Hillary’s visit to Indian Country two days ago, the Clinton campaign today announced the endorsement of 22 tribal leaders in South Dakota. These supporters will help lead the campaign’s outreach efforts in the Native American community over the next five days.
    “I am honored to have the support of men and women who are proven and respected leaders in Indian Country,” said Hillary. “I am committed to working with Native Americans in South Dakota and across the country, with complete respect and acknowledgement of tribal sovereignty, to create more economic opportunity, and tackle the health care and crime problems too many in Indian Country face.”
    Hillary unveiled her comprehensive South Dakota Native American Agenda last Tuesday; the following Wednesday she discussed the plan during her visit to the Pine Ridge reservation. President Clinton will also have made seven stops in Indian Country before June 3 to campaign on Hillary’s behalf.

    “There can be no questioning Hillary’s commitment to Native Americans here in South Dakota and across the country,” said Chairman Brandon Sazue, Sr. of the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe. “She has laid out specific proposals to partner with us to help tackle the challenges we face, from chronic unemployment to juvenile diabetes to a skyrocketing crime rate. She will be a President who respects tribal sovereignty and she will work to reverse the effects of seven years of neglect from the Bush Administration.”

    The list of Native American tribal leaders who have endorsed Hillary is below.

    Lionel Bordeaux, President, Sinte Gleska University
    Shawn Bordeaux, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Floyd Brings Plenty, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Anthony Castaway, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Kim Clausen, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Carol Crazy Thunder-O’Rourke, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Leonard Crow Dog, Rosebud Sioux Tribe elder
    Ron Duke, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Cecilia Fire Thunder, Former Chairwoman, Oglala Sioux Tribal Council
    Phillip Good Crow, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Lewis Good Voice Eagle, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Scott Herman, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    William “BeBe” Long, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Trent “Okie” Poignee, Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Thomas Poor Bear, Oglala Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Francis Pumpkin Seed, Shannon County Commissioner
    Lula Red Cloud
    Brandon Sazue, Sr., Chairman, Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Council
    Tom Shortbull, President, Oglala Lakota College and Former State Senator
    Michael J. Valandra, Sr., Rosebud Sioux Tribal Councilmember
    Carl Waln, Former Chairman, Rosebud Sioux Tribe
    Connie Whirlwind Horse, Shannon County Commissioner

  307. Oh No, I am not a troll, but I am going foward, it saddens me to see what is happening, however, it makes me feel somewhat better to know what is going to happen in November. The reason I wrote what I did, first, to get it off my chest and second, let people to take their anger and use it in a constructive manner (our vote in November ). So I am sorry if people interperted my writtings as being a troll, but at this point , I am being realistic. I welcome any feedback.

  308. NewMexicoFan,

    We know Hillary would not run as an independent I wish a strong woman candidate could be found that would siphon off the vote from BO. That would send a strong message to the aholes at DNC. It just needs to be a symbolic candidate that could siphon 10% vote in key swing states need not run in all 50 states.

    All this in case Hillary does not get the nomination.

  309. jas, i wasn’t calling you a troll……i wanted to let you know that it just was sounding it

    I just think we need to focus on being strong for hillary right now and encourage that way
    of thinking rather than as if we are defeated and moving on to a GE of obama/mcCain.
    until the convention is over……..we will not really know who is our nominee and we need
    to stay focused on that fact!!


  310. JAS you might be moving onto the GE with Obama and McCain but Hillary is still fighting to be the nominee.

  311. djia: I respect your point of view!

    I just want to get even, I beleive that voting McCain in November will help Hillary, (don’t ask why, I don’t have a good reason just the way I feel). I agree with you, we need to let them know,(today and everyday), but the ultimate get even will be our vote…..

    djia, let’s go forward, and fight for Hillary, but not lose sight of what we want to accomplsih, that is being heard by the party!!!! onward we go!


  312. Dija you are so right!

    This is WAR and we must not be defeated we know the enemy and it’s our own party so we know their weakness too.

    We need to tune out the media and go all the way to the convention…the DNC and Team Obambi will Blame it all on the Clintons so since they are going to blame us anyway…LET GO DOWN FIGHTING for the BEST candidate.


  313. JAS


    But let me tell you now…….. that all of us here (well most of us i am sure) WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA

    and we will be LOUD and CLEAR during the GE no matter who is our nominee………we will LOUDLY Voice our
    selves either in support of HILLARY or AGAINST OBAMA

    but right now….. we are still in the primary…… GET LOUD AND CLEAR IN SUPPORT OF HILLARY FOR THE NOMINEE!!

  314. Caroline, I understand she is still fighting, but after Saturday, I realize the Democratic Party does not want her, and that is an uphill battel. They have turned the party over to a Freshman Senator and I beleive that spells disaster!!! I can not figuar out how she can get the nomination other than the tape of MO comes out, and we have not seen that.

    I will always beleive in Hillary, but at this point, maybe she should sit back (NOT GET OUT) and watch how the cards are going to fall!!

  315. Jas,
    I am with you. You are presenting the good scenario. Kostner presented worse scenario. Nobody will know what will happen until this whole fiasco ends in Nov. As far as each of us votes our conscience, I think the country will survive this travesty.

    This is the first time I am so involved in any campaign by actually contributing $1700 to Hillary. Through this whole process, I learned a lot about the dark side of democratic party and it’s rules or lack of rules. I believe the democratic party is now at the hands of the extreme left liberals, the same way the republican party was at the hands of the extreme right conservatives in 2000. Both forces are very destructive to the country. Bush II manipulated the media on the ground of national security. Obama manipulated the media with political correctness. They are two sides of the same coin. The media is a total sellout on both accounts.

    I mailed out my registration change to independent yesterday. I am totally disgusted with the political process at this point. All these partisans don’t really represent the country as a whole, I hope. I still have confidence on the collective intelligence of the majority of the people in this country.

  316. Unless Hillary drops out:

    I will be voting against McCain in November because I will be voting for Hillary.

    This is a game of chicken and we will not flinch. Just see how tough women (and gent allies) can be when pushed hard enough!

    If Hillary can stand the heat, so can we.

  317. My hope is that Hillary only suspends her campaign. I’m now beginning to think the tape does exists only because the Obama campaign has apparently issued some sort of “clarification.”

    However, it doesn’t make anydifference to me because I am firmly in the camp of “I will vote for McCain” if she is not the nominee. No write in, no blank at the top of the ballot, no Nader vote. I will join forces with any and all groups of Dems or former Dems or women or anyone working to defeat Obama. BTW I’m sick of the “what about the Supremes and abortion rights. Don’t care anymore. Abortion is legal in Canada and France. I’ve said if my granddaughter is in that situation and that is the decision she/we make, we are on a plane. Maybe if abortion if the right to an abortion was taken away from young women they would wake up. And Bambi is not going to help them in this area.

    Also I won’t get on any unity wagon even if Hillary tells me to. If he is the nominee, it becomes a war against Obama and not for Hillary.

    But I really hope the tape exists.

  318. lindax, well said when you stated…..They are two sides of the same coin. Lets get throught 2008 and look foward to 2012 (I say, start raising money in December 🙂 )

  319. Jas, bambi’s numbers could tank between now and August. He is going to be the lone recepient of incoming fire from Repubs.

  320. Jas……..there you go again with the defeatist talk……..we are not looking towards 2012
    we are in a heated battle for 2008 NOW

  321. grandmother, I beleive that she will suspend her campagin (that saves her delegates for moving to Obama, for the time being). hope and pray there is a tape and it comes out before Denver.

  322. We are NOT quitters and will have Hillary Back since our do nothing party doesn’t have it. I will be with Hillary all the way BUT….this life long Democrat will cross over and vote for McCain, I can live with him, Obambi not at all.

    Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile and John Clyburn are all from the school of failure this has 2000 & 2004 repeat all over it.

  323. moon, I wouldn’t bet on SD. Plabano gives it to Obama with 5 points. He’s been more accurate thsan the pollsters.

  324. clintondem wrote: It may be tactically good but not strategically because it would give the Dems time to recover.

    You’re thinking like a dem CD. I know it’s not comfortable to go there, but you need to consider that these are Republicans Bambi is dealing with now. Republicans don’t believe that oppo research has to be true to be damaging. What I think is happening here is they’re establishing their credibility by using the stuff that is true so that their whisper campaign in the Fall will be more effective and the Dems will always be playing catch up.

    The Dems are being stupid (or working as intended, depending on how much tinfoil you wear on your head), yet again. Not only have the elites tried to discredit the only Democratic candidate who is defined enough to withstand the whisper campaign, they are allowing Republicans to lauch this frontal assault by letting Bambi declare himself the winner.

    Dems were relatively safe from Republican smear campaigns as long as Hillary had a chance. By insisting that Hillary’s campaign is lost, Dems are setting themselves up for a big loss in November. Now, I know that there really are some stupid people that win elections, but I’ll go out on a limb and suggest that it’s not as many as we think there are. That means that some really smart people are doing some really stupid things and that makes me wonder about who exactly is running the party and what they want to accomplish.

  325. Okay, okay,okay….. I will quit looking to 2012 and look at 2008. But just to let you know I am not a defeatist but a realist, like I said, after Saturday, I know where Hillary stands in the party. clintondem99 said, “bambi’s numbers could tank between now and August” I agree, however, I don’t beleive that will change any of the SD (considering how much money Obama gave to them, for their re-election campaigns).

  326. I have no love for the so-called realists who spread defeatism. (But I repect others right to free expression. We are all friends here). If Hillary drops out, OK we can begin a discussion on what we can do next to defeat Obama. But to do so now is premature and only gives our enemies encouragement to spread even more lies to weaken our resolve. Toughen up. We have only a short while left to walk with Hillary on this part of her journey. She will let us know what to do next soon enough.

    Tuesday night, we will celebrate a great victory with her. How many here have devoted much time, mental energy and money to her cause. No matter the outcome, we can be proud of what we have accomplished. I am. Oh how I so clearly remember sharing with all of you the joys of our victories and the sadness of our defeats. But we always got up and prepared for the next battle. We never gave up. This is really a real first for many women. We have stood up and were counted!

    So let’s wait while the results come in later from America’s Heartland. This is the last primary night we can share with each other and with Hillary. Then we will wait for her to spell out the next steps of this saga.

  327. Maybe I have spent too much time here and like OkkieAtty, it is time to move on. I am gathering that it is not the time to be a realist with a true understanding 🙁

  328. To All

    The Native American’s of SD are showing great respect and faith in Senator Hillary Clinton.

    If they can vote last, and show such faith, we can make it to the convention. No SD vote is officially cast until the convention

    The DNC only is important if it represents us. So therefore, there phoney declaration of his nomination is crap. They work for us, and they got NO money.

    You are a wonderful group of people on this blog. Please just stay focus until the convention is over.

    There is much work to do in August. People can prepare to come and protest. Delegates can walk out. I hear that, that is not protocal, but what has happen in this campaign is not either.

    Don’t let the DNC fool you. That convention belongs to us, and we can conduct ourselves in what ever manner we see fit.

    When the leadership is not listening to you (as Susan B. A said, Women would not wish or work for a Political Party that iignores them), then like you would with an abuser of women, you walk out.

    The Delegates walking out, and the gallery walking out, and hoards of people outside will make the DNC look foolish.

    For me the final straw was Dean telling the women from Columbus he just did not understand what we were made about, and what could he do to correct it. He is a Doctor, and he appears to be ignoring the words of his patient. Dr. Dean, let me make this clear one more time.




  329. posted at noquarter under “The RBC=Bush vs Gore

    Comment by paul_lukasiak | 2008-06-03 07:01:05

    because I’ve seen the Obot response to the “stolen delegate” accusation, allow me to give you the CORRECT story.

    1) the “fair reflection” rule (found in both the bylaws and the charter) is about counting the VOTES THAT WERE CAST AS THEY WERE CAST…here is the wording from the bylaws Rule 13A

    Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters

    It is the word “expressed” that gives the provision its meaning. The bylaws then go to considerable length to expain how “fair reflection” should be achieved…. a whole section talks about how delegates should be divvied up based on the RESULTS of the primary/caucuses.

    So if anyone tells you that ‘fair reflection’ means ‘voter preference’ you know they are full of shit. Its about an accurate reflection of votes AS CAST.

    (the ‘write in’ issue would be valid here — voter ERRIR should not preclude their vote from being counted. But based on the testimony, 30,000 write in voters were cast — that is 5% of the 600,000 valid votes counted. There is MINIMUM threshold of 15% of votes csst to make you eligible for a delegate, so there is insufficient write in votes to switch a single delegate.)

    2) This is NOT what Michigan suggested. The “Michigan compromise” was based on FULL VOTES being given to each candidate. Under that scenario, Clinton would have maintained a 10 delegatee lead coming out of Michigan. Cutting the voting strength in half and then re-allocating delegates cuts her lead to 5.

    The Michigan compromise was acceptable to the Clinton campaign PROVIDED that Florida’s delegation was seated at full strength as well — and it would have been impossible for the RBC to treat Michigan voters better than Florida voters.

    Finally, the Michigan compromise could have been achieved WITHIN THE RULES. All it required was an agreement between the campaigns that Clinton would not compete for “uncommitted” delegate votes, and would submit the names of 4 Obama supporters as eligible to serve as part of her delegation. The RBC was required under the rules to seat Michigan as voted — ONLY the agreement of the candidates themselves could accomplish the compromise.

    3) The vote was invalid. The RBC is required to hold all of its meetings in public, and no votes can be held in secret. An agenda was announced in the morning that was never followed in the afternoon session — and there was not vote to change the agenda. Two Challenges were offered, but the resolutions were limited to three — and no public vote was taken regarding the limits on resolutions. Debate was limited to 10 minutes by the co-chairs, and no vote was taken on limitation of debate.

    A one hour lunch period was scheduled — the PUBLIC was told to return by the co-chairs in one hour, and they did so. NEITHER OF THE CO-CHAIRS, NOR THE PARTY SECRETARY, nor ANY MEMBER returned to the meeting AS THEY HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO AT THE END OF THE MORNING SESSION…. and according to everyone (including a personal conversation I had with Alice Germond) BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE CONTINUED TO BE DISCUSSED DURING THE TWO HOUR PERIOD when the meeting was supposed to be public, but was held behind closed doors.

    If a deal had been struck during the one-hour lunch period, that would have been ‘legitimate’ — there is no prohibition on memebers discussing business during their free time. But the TWO HOUR MEETING that occurred after the scheduled lunch period was “illegal” under the charter of the Democratic Party. It could ONLY have occurred had a vote for a recess been taken — and ALL votes have to be made IN PUBLIC.

  330. Just to clarify… There are two Larrys in anti-Obamaland. Larry Johnson is the one at No Quarter who broke the news about the Whitey tape and is now exploring Obama’s Farrakhan connections. Larry Sinclair is the one who has been spreading the more tabloid-y Obama stories and who took the polygraph test. I think sometimes people get them mixed up.

    It’s funny how Farrakhan is coming out now. My best friend told me a lot of this same stuff way back in January, before the MI primary. She kept going on and on about how I have to support Hillary in the primary because don’t I know that Obama has all these ties with Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam? I have NO idea where she heard all of this. I assume it’s on some blog somewhere. But when Larry Johnson broke the story about how Farrakhan also has a starring role in “Whitey”, I called up my friend and told her the news. I said, “You’re the one who called this whole Farrakhan thing first.” To which she replied, “You owe me a Slurpee.”

  331. NMF and PADDY……….. RIGHT ON!!!!

    I would just like to add a bit to NMF post


  332. JAS, we have a right to express ourselves, so do you. Nobody has a monopoly on truth. We are here to share. As in life, we learn to live with our friends although we don’t always agree with them 100%. I am sure others feel the same, I am glad you are here.

  333. This was supposedly from the Today show this morning (via TPM, so view skeptically).
    Won’t believe it till I see it; if I see it, will never forgive it…..

    “QUESTION: If Barack Obama reaches that number today or tomorrow do you believe that Sen. Clinton is prepared to concede?

    McAULIFFE: Yeah, I think that if Sen. Obama gets the numbers, I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him, and call him the nominee.”

  334. This is not over, everyone!!!

    The superdelegates can change their minds before August. Obama can’t claim victory until then.

  335. Come on Blue, you can see through this one I hope.
    Read it this way:

    QUESTION: If Hillary Clinton reaches that number today or tomorrow do you believe that Sen. Obama is prepared to concede?

    McAULIFFE: Yeah, I think that if Sen. Clinton gets the numbers, I think Barak Obama will congratulate her, and call her the nominee.”

    IF IF IF

    I think he does not have the magic number otherwise he would have already announced it. If anything, she may be rising in SDs. Most likely it’s a dead heat. Have to go to Denver. Why is everyone so convinced he has the number? He has to prove it if he makes such a claim by publicly providing the names.

  336. djia

    I agree with our revisions.

    All, remember, Senator Clinton’s group is really locked into playing the verbal Democratic Game. She is a Democratic Senator from New York.

    We don’t have to play the stupid Democratic Games. We can do our thing.

  337. Of course; as paddy has said, everyone has a right to express themselves here, and I am not telling anyone they can not
    just to be clear here on that.

    I am saying how ever, some things expressed have been defeatist and it goes against the purpose of this forum. This forum is and has always been in strong support of our Candidate Hillary Clinton, She has led us on a very long ROUGH journey, she has endured many obstacles that should of never been placed in front of her…..YET she has not only gotten over them
    she made those obstacles look easy “WITH OUR HELP” !! YES there are more obstacles ahead……but as she has done many times in this journey she will triumphantly over come them “WITH OUR HELP” !

    So as does everyone here, i have a right to express my opinion, and my opinion is that defeatist talk is not what i feel needs to be brought here.

  338. How will we do this. Let me suggest a way (feel free to suggest others). We have already heard that a few delegates say they will not go to the convention (at least one in FL). I am asking them to come, and walk out when the time is right. Please consider leading the exit. This is going to be very hard for people.

    So what will happen if they do this???? Not just the nation, but the World will see that this convention is a fraud.

    They will tell you this is unacceptble behavior, but we really know who is guilty of unaccpetible behavior, they are.



  339. A thought: If all HIllary delegates walk out, then there probably would be no quorum for the meeting.

  340. Informed in Illinois

    I know at local Democratic County and State meeting, you do need a quorum.

    Some one who can pull up the rules, or knows the rules needs to respond to this. I would like to know also.

  341. The DNC has chosen to not only to back a fraud, but also do everything within it’s power to humiliate President Clinton and Senator Clinton. I am ashamed I was ever a democrat (sans 92-2000) and will never support Obama as the nominee. This is like a bad dream, but it’s really happening! How in the hell did this nobody manage to get the party to back him still remains a mystery to me. He has 0 experience, associates with racists, and had he not been black, and therefore the darliing of the MSM, he would not have made it past NH…what a sad and horrific turn of events.

  342. Amazing how practically none of the polling places are talking about SD and Montana. Surely they’d be bragging about bambi winning the last 2 primaries and suddenly, they are not bothering since last week. All of a sudden the talk of bambi winning SD and montana out right has vanished.

    What possibly could have caused that, could it be Hillary is poised to win them?

  343. of course yesterday they all said she was conceding and then the campaign put out a different message

    so let’s all sit back and wait and see, it could be a ploy to turn out SD and MT for obama who is trailing badly

  344. ah ha just as i typed that a clinton supporter just said as much, wait and see what happens tonight

  345. How many pledged delegates does each candidate have? It is my understanding that neither one can reach the magic number in pledged delegates, no matter what happens in South Dakota or Montana.

  346. on fox, HRC supporter says,

    her focus right now is to focus on the SD and convince them that she is the stronger candidate and that is what she’s doing

  347. It is ironic that like Gore, Hillary will have more votes, yet have the election stolen from her. Again, Florida, my home state, responsible in part. I am no Gore fan(see Donna Brazile), but he went on to do much more after his “loss”. I am not giving up hope for Hillary, and I pray she fights all the way, but I know someone as great as her will rise no matter what the outcome. Bambi’s good will has all but been lost, while the steady and undeterred Clinton’s greatness has never shined brighter.

  348. “now they have changed concede to acknowledge”

    Aha. I knew there was more to the story.

    The media playing mind games, as usual.

  349. I am at the point that everything the media says is suspect and slanted.

    The poilling company that reported yesterday, is reputable, and has been right on in the later states.

    Senator Clinton is the Peoples Candidate.

  350. maria cadovia? said that as of right now obama does not have the delegates to CLAIM the nomination

    that hillary is still contacting SD to come on her side, doesn’t sound like she is conceding a thing
    and is still fighting for the nomination

  351. Jeralyn at talkleft has a link to the website for SD lobbying. It is really neat. Use it to send your email to your state’s delegates.

    the link to it is not posting here.

  352. i dont think this will supress her voters, rather it will bring them out!

    we need to email fox news, they are still touting the AP breaking news headline on the web page
    we need to tell them and anyone else as we come across them to take it down as it is false information

  353. lol I have never seen anything like this before. This American media tell nothing but lies to suppress voters. It has just become too hilarious for me now.

  354. A.P. Is Wrong — and KARL ROVE’s Analyses Are SPOT ON! Obama is limping, wounded … cannot win in November »

    By SusanUnPCgravatarcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    About: See Authors Posts (1012) on June 3, 2008 at 10:33 AM in Current Affairs | 3 Comments


    The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening.

    (We know the source of this story, don’t we. It’s Barack Obama’s Chicago-corrupt machine trying to suppress voter turnout in South Dakota and Montana — they are freaking out at his HORRIBLE poll numbers. Obama and his GANG OF THUGS campaign staff will do ANYTHING to win.) NOW KARL ROVE — BRILLIANT and spot-on analyses from Fox News last night:

  355. So what ever happened to validating your information and source?


  356. I see that race baiter Clyburn could not even muster up enough dignity to say a few kind words about Hillary. He and other AA leaders should be ashamed of how they used the Clintons’ and then threw them away…friggin disgusting.





  358. McAullife:Just issued a press release ‘HILLARY IS NOT DROPPING”

    The MSM and the Obama swine have been flooding the air waves with all kinds of false statements that Hillary will concede tonight.They are in an advanced stage of panic,to get her out and also to affect the votes inSD and MT.Good God ,this is a major conspiracy to overthrow our democracy.We must stop these traitors and support Hillary to the GE.
    Our Most famous traitors- JOHN WILKES BOOTH
    The BO campaign knows that the MO tapes sitting with FARAKAHN are ready for release and we whitey’s will reverse any decision to turn our country and its future,over to a Black candidate that has started the most vicious racist attack on the most qualified presidential candidate that any democracy in the world would like to have as their leader.If this devious plan succeeds,this country will pay an awesome price for what the MEDIA has done to us. STOP THIS EVIL ONE NOW.

    BY ABM90 It breaks this old heart to envision where we are headed.

  359. AMB

    👿 is definitely in panic mode over “whitey”

    I think the GOP totally enjoying watching him squirm over this before they release it

    “let’s just put him on simmer for awhile”

  360. NMFan — Are you suggesting they “just say no”? 🙂

    Good idea.

    Yesterday I asked for a new voter registration form to reregister as an Independent! I think NV will be clearly for McCain. I probably will never have to do a thing.

    However, Hillary, I am still with you. You are not just the best of the bunch (which you are), you are the person I would most like to be president. I think that people may realize it now but if not, I will wait till 2012.

  361. This is just hilarious, per NRO:

    ‘Small World’ Fact of the Day

    “As a teenager, Michelle [Obama] babysat Jesse Jackson Jr.” — David Mendell’s Obama: From Promise to Power, page 185.

    No, this is not that dropping shoe that Bob Beckel was talking about.

  362. No, Hillary’s Not Conceding Tonight

    As I walk through the door of my home, my son’s nanny – a fan of Obama — tells me with great excitement that Hillary is conceding tonight. She can’t believe that she heard the news before the campaign correspondent.

    However, my e-mailbox tells me otherwise.

    Statement from the Clinton Campaign:

    The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening:

  363. Senators Failed To Reach Endorsement Decision; Privately Discussed Joint Ticket
    By Greg Sargent – June 3, 2008, 11:02AM

    As I noted below, a bunch of uncommitted Senators met yesterday to discuss how or whether to go public with an endorsement, but Obama advisers don’t expect a group of them to endorse today.

    Now there’s more confirmation of this. The Rocky Mountain News talked to Senator Ken Salazar about what went down at the meeting; the Senators reached no endorsement agreement, and furthermore…

    “I could make the argument for either one of them,” Salazar said about Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. “Many people can make the argument that maybe the best thing would be for both of them to be on the same ticket.”

    Salazar said the possibility of a joint ticket was discussed at today’s meeting. “There was some of that discussion, but there’s no conclusion,” he said.


    from talk left by jeralyn

    Pick your state, tell them you are a constituent and make your case for your favorite candidate.

    Superdelegates can make up their minds or change their minds anytime up until the convention. So long as Hillary stays in the race, there is no victor. As of tonight and tomorrow, this is a two person race.

    Obama leads in pledged delegates, but doesn’t have the magic number. Hillary leads in the popular vote. More people have voted for her than Obama.

    With neither candidate winning both the pledged delegate total and the popular vote, the question is, who is more electable in November and who can better lead our country?

    Don’t be shy, this may be your last chance.

  365. Do you think the voters of SD and Montana waitedthis long to not go vote today, they see this as a chance to make a difference.

    Despite what anyone tries to tell them.

  366. i dont seem to be able to post this link the right way, so i will post it this way

    w w w . lobbydelegates. c o m



    Yes, walk out. You should have close to half, and you have the popular vote. One has to ask if the Delegates are representing the popular vote if they walk out, many of which campaigned that they were strong Senator Clinton supporters and deserved to represent her at the convention. Representing her at the convention might not be the social party they thought it was.



  368. The press trying to say HRC is conceeding is going to backfire royally.

    BO’s supporters will stay home and HRC’s will not. Clinton’s supporters will know that they are trying to piss on their shoes.

  369. I agree with Djia, a walk out of the Hillary delegates would be a great show of strength, fortitude, and it would send a clear message that you don’t mess with us. The delegates should do this, if for no other reason, because we have asked them to as a show of respect for us/Hillary. But, how to get this accomplished?
    Action is need, swift and certain action that will take their breath away. I suggest the following, you add to it:
    1.women and other Hillary backers form a permanent coalition, if not new party, to keep this from EVER happening again – our own NAACP or ACLU if you will.

    2.that Hillary supporters change to INDEPENDENT registration en masse; this ALONE will scare the living daylights out of Obama/DNC/RBC/MSM and the undemocratic Democratic Party.It needs to happen NOW, and before the August convention date!!!! This is the single most handicapping thing that could be done to the undemocratic Democratic Party.

    3.come up with a TO DEFEAT list; and work it, work it, work it.And have a system whereby those downstream candidates know of us and our actions.

    4.Stay visible, continue the great effort, never give up.

    5. As Dick Morris said, the undemocratic Democratic Party is the winning party in the 2008 election, but they will have an unelectable candidate in Obama. Conversely, he said that the Republican Party is the losing party in the 2008 election, but they have a winning candidate in McCain. Ironic isn’t it – the undemocratic Democratic Party has used a six shooter [not Annie’s], aimed badly, and shot their own party, not in the foot, but in the head right between the eyes with all six bullets.

    6. Let’s make it rain McCain; that was one of the t shirt designs I submitted so that graphic is ready to go. And let’s reign in misogyny and NEVER let it happen to another female. If AA’s can make it taboo to say “black” then women can make it taboo to say “bitch [and other disgraceful remarks”. We are only treated as if we don’t matter because we let them treat us like we don’t matter. Get mad, then get even.

    We owe this to Hillary, to our children especially America’s daughters, to our families, to our nation – and to women in other countries who look to us for role models.

    What say you???

  370. Everyone:



    to Get out the Vote!!!

    We WILL do it!

    Let’s give ’em, HILL!


  371. Ah, the Obama campaign’s constant distribution of propaganda continues — “Hillary’s conceding tonight” is the biggest load of BS I’ve ever heard, and the mainstream media is eating it up, hook, line, and sinker. It’s amazing what passes for journalism these days.

  372. probably because internals are showing Hillary is on course for winning tonight and they don’t want people voting.

    Whats your bet

  373. Now , you see what the Obama campaign has done today is setting up for tonight that if Clinton wins tonight in SD and Montana, they will try and say, my voters assumed Clinton was conceding and didnt need to vote.

    100% they will try and pull this shit.

  374. The absolutely atrocious and disgraceful coverage of Bill Clinton continues today. Not a single newspaper or website talks about the Vanity Fair “article” itself, and instead, all that Anderson Cooper, Gloria Borger, and David Gergen can talk about is whether Bill Clinton has too much of a temper. Not ONE mention of WHY ANYONE in his shoes would actually DESERVE to be so angry, at a suspiciously-timed hit piece with completely anonymous sources, not backed up with a single fact.

    On to Denver, indeed.

  375. This last group of SDs are extremely critical and extremely brave. We all know that they were suppose to come out in mass many times before. A few endorsed in either direction.

    It is quite possible that this group of SDs holds the very future of the Democratic Party and Democracy in their hands. We need to know there names.

    In addition, they are not the gray hair (dyed black Judas) former candidates, the DNC leaders. They are a group that could not would not decide and continued to listen.

    So regular SDs hold our future in our hands. They right now are at the core of our democracy, just like the blue collared worker, women, latinos, blacks, whites, asians, men are the core of this country.




  376. From NoQuarter:

    We are working to get the Fox News video. Here are written reports to date (and I will ADD MORE as they come in).

    John Fund, Wall Street Journal:

    “Indeed, rumors are swirling on the campaign trail that a new video will soon surface featuring Mrs. Obama appearing on a panel with radical speakers during which she makes more controversial statements.”

    Bob Beckel on Fox News, via HillBuzz blog:

    he has been told by numerous people,(enough and in a way that convinced him) that a bombshell will be dropping tomorrow about Michele Obama.

    The Friends turned white and asked what it might be…was it worse than a college thesis? Bob said—Oh yes, in a BIG way. He said that the Repubs were behind it and it was dumb because it meant that Mrs. Clinton would be the nominee. …

    READ THAT ONE AGAIN: “it meant that Mrs. Clinton would be the nominee …”

    THIS, to me, is especially stunning because Bob Beckel, in all of his analyst appearances on Fox News, has clearly been “in the tank” for Barack Obama. If HE concedes that this finishes Barack Obama, that is very telling.

  377. Chin up berkeley vox

    we all share the same feelings about vanity fair and the MSM…CHIN UP……forge forward!

    We will prevail! because we have righteousness and True Americans on our side!

  378. I joined a group that short termer has posted about here, i haven’t posted on it yet as i have been way too busy here 😀
    but i have seen that its a great group ! please consider joining

    here is a letter to superdelegates that was sent to that groups email list

    Dear Super Delegates,

    The math is pretty simple. Clinton shows strong in the GE. Obama
    doesn’t. Clinton is almost a sure thing. Obama wins if he suddenly
    redefines the democratic base and no new unsavory relationships appear
    on the news. Unlikely.

    Obama has had his head handed to him to the tune of over 600,000 to
    700,000 voters since February. The latest polls show he is going to
    lose SD which he has been predicted to win for months! This candidate
    is limping to the finish line due to his own self inflicted wounds.
    It will only get worse given the completely insane ruling from the RBC
    on MI. That ruling clearly shows that the party elite is anointing a
    candidate. That is beyond any denials at this point.

    This party will not win with a candidate who claims the lead in this
    race based on caucus wins in RED STATES that will NOT go democratic in
    the fall. To base your support on a primary construct that rewards
    the candidate who wins red state caucuses and doesn’t reward the
    candidatewinning by wide margins in the swing states is seriously
    flawed. I thought it was your job to rectify such a situation.

    I hope you reconsider your pledge to Sen. Obama or your lack of a
    pledge to Sen. Clinton. You will lose with Obama. I’m not sure we
    can win with Hillary either given the hard feelings generated in this
    campaign at this point. Common sense dictates that your most
    electable candidate lead the ticket and clearly that is Hillary
    Clinton. I am personally so unhappy with the conduct of this primary
    and the rampant misogyny that I will not vote for Obama if he is the
    nominee. I would vote for him if he is the VP on a ticket with Clinton.

    I will not reward such a flawed primary system, nor clearly partisan
    rulings from our own RBC that can take earned delegates from a winning
    candidate and give them to a candidate who wasn’t even on the ballot.
    I will simply not do it. And there is ample evidence that there are
    millions of democrats who agree with me. We do not win the White
    House by counting delegates, you win the GE with not only democratic
    states but swing states. For the first time in a very long time we
    have a candidate who has done precisely that! That candidate is
    Hillary Clinton.

    Please reconsider and take a look at what the American Democratic
    voter is telling you. I believe it couldn’t be more clear. Awarding
    this nomination to a candidate who wins caucuses (of which 70% voted
    Republican in the GE) and under performs in primaries is going to
    lead to defeat in November. We all know that activist controlled
    caucuses rarely reflect the will of the people.

    You need to look no farther than the Texas two-step to see proof
    positive. It is why the democratic electorate is split…the primary
    voter’s voice is being drowned out by a handful of unrepresentative
    caucuses and most of those in historically red states. While this
    might prove to be a winning primary strategy, it is a strategy
    destined for a major defeat in the general election.

    If you take a more realistic view, you will pledge to Senator Clinton
    who will win the GE hands down if we can heal the divisions caused by
    this very unsavory and unfair primary.


  379. Presisent Clinton has every right to be mad as hell. Seemingly everyone he helped form Richardson to Gergen have back stabbed him and Hillary during this nomination process. They are all scumbags , cowards, and people you would not want to go into battle with….

  380. now i don’t agree with every word of this letter……. i put it out here as something to pick and choose
    from so you can write your own letter and send it to the SD’s as your own.

  381. This is the silver lining I am looking for!!!! Tomorrow would be the perfect time to release it, that is after Obama calimes he is the nominee, egg in his face! I will keep going back to noquarter to see when the video gets posted 🙂


    Tallahassee Democratic activist Jon Ausman – the man at the center of the fight to reinstate Florida’s presidential nominating convention delegates – will endorse a candidate at 2:30 this afternoon.

    Ausman, a state employee, said he still hasn’t decide whether it will be Sen. Barack Obama or Sen. Hillary Clinton. He’s holding a news conference outside his office in Tallhassee because he set himself a 3 p.m. decision to make a choice.

    FL Jon Ausman (850) 386-1387 2202 Woodlawn Dr Tallahassee FL 32303 DNC Member Undecided

  383. Someone above asked for the latest delegate count – here it the recap from Real Clear politics:

    Popular Vote 17,389,253/17,364,667
    Popular Vote (w/MI) 17,389,253/17,692,976
    Pledged Delegates 1,739/1,624 (now MAY need 2,118)
    Super Delegates 335/291

  384. this is the time of strength and loyalty. hillary needs everyone to do what we can to help – in any way you think you can. she can do it against the odds. the girl has balls of steel, i have never seen anyone in my lifetime as brave as hillary rodham clinton. and she does it with grace and humility.
    the rest of these vacuous political humbugs should watch and learn.
    we should toughen up, chin up and smash that glass ceiling with our girl. hillary is 44, my friends.

  385. wbboei

    I sent him my email just now

    I told him this simple message

    Please fight for hillary as she has EARNED floridas endorsements and respect!!

    we do not win the White House by counting delegates, We win the GE with not only democratic
    states but swing states. For the first time in a very long time we
    have a candidate who has done precisely that! That candidate is
    Hillary Clinton.

  386. wbboei Says:

    June 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Tallahassee Democratic activist Jon Ausman

    How can he call a conference to endorse if he has not made up his mind. I think he has. Lets hope it is Hillary

  387. RE: AP “Hillary conceding” headline

    This is a really dirty ploy by the AP to try suppressing the voter turnout out. I can’t believe the tactics of pushing Hill out. This coming from a wire news service.

    What’s the AP’s beef with HRC? For months now, it’s been leading the charge in negative article and misrepresentations.

    Do they not realize the more they do this, the more HRC supporters are hardening their decision to not vote for BO?

    A few months ago, I was still wobbling, but as the coverages and got more vicious, I’m very certain I’m voting for BO.

  388. What please is wrong with having a temper?

    A strong personality would include a temper, and every decent president we’ve ever had has has both.

    I’d rather he had a temper, which means he cares about things, than be a mealy mouthed idiot pundit who cares only about his next paycheck.

  389. Sorry: I sent Ausman an email in support of Hillary and then called him. The operator said he is not available. I intend to keep trying, but it is up to you whether you want to give it a shot yourself as well. If he sees the email then that is enough.

  390. hi hillfans, any news from the ground in sd or montana? big media is trying to prop up stories of her getting out tonite.

  391. John Fund, WSJ:

    Pastor Problems
    The Rev. Michael Pfleger was a busy preacher on Sunday, May 25. In addition to his mocking criticism of Hillary Clinton in a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ – which yesterday Barack Obama severed his ties with – he gave another sermon at his own church in which he issued the following healing statement: “Racism is still America’s greatest addiction. I also believe that America is the greatest sin against God.”

    Mr. Pfleger had earlier apologized for his Clinton comments. It’s unclear how he will react now that his second sermon has been made public. While the 59-year-old radical preacher is no longer affiliated with the Obama campaign, many are bound to ask why he was involved at all. Mr. Obama had frequently appeared at public events with Mr. Pfleger over the years and counted him as an adviser. Team Obama brought Mr. Pfleger to Iowa last year to host several interfaith forums on behalf of the campaign. As an Illinois state senator, Mr. Obama steered over $225,000 in taxpayer funding to Mr. Pfleger’s church.

    Now Team Obama is responding to the latest Pfleger outburst by once again saying the candidate is “deeply disappointed” in what was said.

    The problem here is that voters may begin to detect a pattern in Mr. Obama’s increasingly odd set of advisers and allies. Jeremiah Wright. William Ayers. Michael Pfleger. As the political blogger Jerry Fuhrman notes: “Traveling in this circle, is it any wonder that Obama’s wife Michelle never found a reason to be proud of her country?”

    Indeed, rumors are swirling on the campaign trail that a new video will soon surface featuring Mrs. Obama appearing on a panel with radical speakers during which she makes more controversial statements.

    Mr. Obama has performed brilliantly in all but wrapping up the Democratic nomination. But he clearly has lost control of the storyline surrounding his Chicago advisers. If he doesn’t move to address these problems more forthrightly, they will continue to haunt his campaign.

  392. Pro-Obama website, Drudge Report, has screaming headline that Hillary will drop out… god, I can’t wait to see the egg on everyone’s faces when this is over. I’m going to get me a pad, a pen, and write down the name of every idiotic journalist who has called this thing “over.” 😀

  393. BTW, it makes sense for the tape to come out tomorrow, after the primaries are finished. Larry Johnson said the GOP wanted to keep it till later, but Waffles’ campaign told media outlets the rumor was a “scurrilous lie” (LJ) and to have the Repubs release it now will make it clear Waffles’ people lied to the press.

    Also, even if it is really bad, I’m not so sure it’ll make Hillary the nominee. The party has too much invested in Waffles, so they’re stuck with him. The GOP knows that; their goal is not only to fatally wound Waffles, but make the DNC and the rest of the Dem elite look like complete idiots. It’s a win for them on many levels.

  394. This is a really dirty ploy by the AP to try suppressing the voter turnout out. I can’t believe the tactics of pushing Hill out. This coming from a wire news service
    Filbertsf: I have it on good authority that this came right out of the obama campaign.

    I spoke to my congresseman personally not 10 minutes ago. I told him I would continue to help him out but that I would be working to get McCain elected if Hillary is not the nominee. I told him there is more bad stuff coming out on Obama and if the part goes for him it will get trapped. And, I said I do not want to be ruled by the sort of thuggery we saw at the rgb hearing Saturday.

  395. From MK figure skating forum:

    “As a 46 yr old 1/2 white, 1/2 Asian woman who has two sisters and our husbands who will be voting McCain come November, we are part of the non-white group that are taking the gloves off, albeit quietly. Even putting Hillary on as V.P. wouldn’t do it for me at this point, since BO would still be the PotUS and that is something I cannot vote for and think would be bad for the country. It’s funny, though, that it was BO’s dismissive attitude towards Hillary in the early debates that started me not liking him and caused me to look into him more, including coming here and posting for the first time. I usually avoid religion and politics, but I knew nothing about him and I knew there were some pretty intelligent people who were into politics on this site and I trust you guys more than some forum where I know no one.

  396. Direct from the HRC campaign:

    I know there have been some reports out there that Hillary is dropping out of the race tonight, and I want to let you know that they are WRONG. Our campaign released a statement a few moments ago:

    June 3, 2008

    Statement from the Clinton Campaign

    The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening.”

    Hillary is going to keep fighting, and it’s vital that we fight hard for her today. NOW is the best time to get on the phones and connect with voters in South Dakota . In less than 9 hours, the last polls will be closed and all of the votes in this primary will be cast. There are only a few hours left to pitch in so that you will know that you’ve done everything you can to help Hillary secure this nomination, no matter what happens in the weeks and months ahead.

    Thank you for all your hard work. Let’s finish strong and keep fighting!


  397. Filbertsf: must be your computer or connection. I did not have trouble connecting with tm today.

  398. All women, not just white ones, should take their gloves off, because they are sadly and embarassingly for me as a man being told to go to the back of the bus.
    Hillary is in a position of great power. I wouldn’t pretend to advise her how to use it, but I am so mad I believe I would applaud her even if she used it to the detriment of the party, especially as I don’t see Obama winning in November. If she were to announce she was running as an Independent, the “big” boys would s**t in their pants and their heads spin faster than Linda Blair’s in the The Exorcist. She would get a lot of heat if she did this, but she is one of the few persons who would be strong enough to take it.
    I suspect though that the status quo will prevail and everyone will play “nice”. Maybe it is time not to.

  399. Per Taylor Marsh:

    Children. Thugs. Abusive infants. No offense to either children, infants or thugs intended.

    Who am I describing? The Obamabots who continue to send me vile, profane, but also threatening emails. So you’re all on notice. Personal threats will be turned over to the police, and since we have your IP and other information it won’t be hard to do. Threatening me with a petition to have my convention credentials pulled is also being reported.

    Consider this a warning.

    Threats will be reported.

    So if this is Mr. Hope’s idea of promoting “unity,” count me out.

  400. Thanks Djia. Agreed, Paula. It’s a smart move by the Republicans to start attacking Michelle’s race-baiting right now, because it comes on the heels of Obama quitting Trinity, and now, if the rumor is in fact true, then there will be video of his own WIFE making racist statements at Trinity.

    Also, the Republicans really have no choice but to release the tape now, if they have it. The story has been percolating for several days now, and is starting to reach critical mass. If they waited for several months, and then released it, that would pose two problems: (1) the story would be stale in the minds of many voters (“oh, didn’t we hear about that earlier? this is old news,” etc.), and (2) by that time, Obama will have been gotten a head start on creating an image for himself, and the Republicans’ sole goal right now is to “define” Obama, early, in the minds of swing voters.

  401. i am so sorry if this inappropriate for this forum……..but i couldn’t help LOL when i read this posters response to a
    troll on noquarter just a bit ago…..I just have to say this first… some have sharp witty creative minds when dealing
    with those little trolls

    so here i quote..

    “I read that every time a Troll makes a comment, his pecker gets smaller. By now you should have a scar on your ass.”

  402. Poor Taylor.

    Be honest, have any of you guys here sent threatening, and profane emails to pro-Obama supporters?

    I have never. I don’t even visit pro-Obama blogs. I know they far out-number us, but it just doesn’t interest me in threatening anyone’s life.

  403. Well if want to talk about Bill Clinton’s temper, lets look at Senator Wexler’s temper desplayed at the DNC meeting last Saturday. This season of politics infuriates millions of people!!

  404. During the 2000 general election the term “Reagan Democrats” came into vogue. Unless things drastically change and Hillary is the nominee 2008 would bring droves of “McCain Democrats” to the ballot box. Watch out DNC you are Fu**ed!

  405. I am SO ANGRY about the AP story – someone noted that the AP Board of Directors include Sam Zell who owns the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, etc. I guess he’s trying to be the next Murdoch – but I would not be surprised if he isn’t manipulating things behind the scenes – part of that Chicago cabal.

    I was about to get on the phones and make calls, but am so pissed off, it’s hard to focus.

    the manipulation and voter suppression is over-the-top.

    Please all of you make phone calls to Montana and South Dakota, especially the latter where we are close and may win.

  406. I have never sent anyone a nasty email, if I want to say something nasty I put it right on the blog! To H with those Obmamanics, there little whimps. They like to stir it, but then can’t take it, then they cry about mistreatment! They are just like their candidate! Whimps all of them!

  407. okay, how is having her delegates at the convention walk out going to
    help hillary?

    hell no. if i was a delegate, i would stay right in there and fight like a wild ass dog for hillary, believe me shes going to need it with those crazy zombie obama supporters.

  408. Clintondem99,

    I think it’s more approriate to brand us as ‘McCain democrats’, the most approriate name is ‘Hillary democrats’.

    We will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee not because we’re really fond of him, but because we believe he is the less of two evils(McCain vs. Obama).

    We Hillary democrats are adults, we believe the country is more important than any party. The current democratic party has been hijacked by anti-American fascists. We will return to the fold when these thugs have been cleaned once and for all from the party.

  409. Wasn’t there some kind of lawsuit or at least some kind of “Come to Jesus Meeting” after the 2000 election when they kept calling states on exit polls and they suppressed the vote in California a few years back. I can’t remember the jest of it and it might not have been 2000, but after that they quit projecting winners before the California polls closed! If there is another person on here that is like me “older than dirt” and remembers this, please reinterate!

  410. My Old Party [William J. Bennett]

    This is an astounding moment in American politics. You cannot credibly say the Clintons are a political dynasty the way, say, the Kennedys or Bushs are. But I think one has to say the Clinton rule of the Democratic party has been dynastic. Bill Clinton is the only Democrat to have served two terms as president in two generations, the only Democrat to twice beat Republican nominees for president and his wife is a two term U.S. senator who will likely be in the Senate for years to come. Bill Clinton has been rated one of — if not THE — most popular person in the world, and yet Clinton rule in American politics ends tonight. Whatever it was the Republicans and so many independents did not like about the Clintons, we’ve learned the Democrats have had enough as well.

    And thus the Democratic party is about to nominate a far left candidate in the tradition of George McGovern, albeit without McGovern’s military and political record. The Democratic party is about to nominate a far-left candidate in the tradition of Michael Dukakis, albeit without Dukakis’s executive experience as governor. The Democratic party is about to nominate a far left candidate in the tradition of John Kerry, albeit without Kerry’s record of years of service in the Senate. The Democratic party is about to nominate an unvetted candidate in the tradition of Jimmy Carter, albeit without Jimmy Carter’s religious integrity as he spoke about it in 1976. Questions about all these attributes (from foreign policy expertise to executive experience to senatorial experience to judgment about foreign leaders to the instructors he has had in his cultural values) surround Barack Obama. And the Democratic party has chosen him.

  411. CTV, yeah, when I first saw the headline, I was stunned. Then I went on HRC’s site, checked my email box and found nothing about the concession. Then I went here and you guys confirmed that it was all just a hoax/ploy by the AP. Then I became angry, too.

    What’s happened to the AP? It used to be just a neutral newswire service. It just reported the events of the day and distributes it to publications. Now, it’s got an agenda and a score to settle with HRC.

    This can’t be just my perception. Almost every article/headline in this Primary has an anti-HRC slant.

  412. Even assuming that Obama tries to claim that he’s the nominee and the press buys it, I’m sure they won’t mention that NEVER before in American political history has a candidate limped to the finish line like this, as wounded as Obama is and faring as badly in the polls as he is against McCain.

  413. The Texas convention is this weekend, I know there will be a great effort to change people’s vote this weekend. I have bought a new cell phone with video capabilities and have borrowed a voice activate recorder for my pocket. So I will be ready, I am looking for advice and if Texan4Hillary has any, pls email me or catch me on here!

  414. Now they are saying that he is over the top and has all the delegates?? Before the primaries close? wtf? Per the AP??? I am disgusted.

  415. i also have this to say, though many will not agree with me.

    i believe, many strong and important republicans, want hillary to be
    many of them cant stand mccain. many have said that they have
    come to admire hllary.
    many have said she is the strongest candidate to come out in

    i believe there is a battle going on behind the republican lines, to try
    and help hillary many ways.
    they cant come out and break ranks with the party, but they of all
    people, have been instrumental in getting obama where he is
    today, and that is sliding.
    and they have been instrumental in getting hill where she should
    be today, which is the popular vote…

    if hill stays in, i think many repugs will be happy…

  416. If you are threatening to riot, then sending threatening letters, email, and phone calls go along with that mentality.

    I have seen none of that on this site with Senator Clinton’s supporters.

  417. the democratic party did not choose OBAMA………the DEMOCRATIC PARTY FAR LEFT ELITISTS OWN ALL THE APPLAUSE!!

  418. You’re right, filbertsf. Bill Clinton said yesterday that the media bias has been worse than at any other point in history. It’s amazing that no one in the media is even trying to intelligently contextualize what has happened. The Obama campaign, to some extent to their credit (though it personally makes me sick) has mobilized an army of online drones, who bombard every newspaper and every TV station with threats to boycott advertisers, etc. ANY time anything REMOTELY negative is said about Obambi. It’s been going on for months now.

    At first it was effective, but it’s starting to backfire, as people wise up to the ploy.

  419. NO ONE has 2118 – the media can blather on all they want, but the rules don’t give SD’s any substance until the convention.

  420. BV, You make a good point about the GOP wanting to define Obama now. That was something I hadn’t considered.

  421. No shit, Informed in Illinois, they seem to have forgotten that little fact, neither one of them can secure this nomination. Regardless of how many supers are lining up. Even if every last one of them does. It means NOTHING.

  422. Ack, that sounded bad towards you, Informed in Illinois…the “no shit” was directed towards the AP.


  423. LOL associated press is now touting ALERT OBAMA has effectively clinched the dem presidential nomination

    ROFLMAO… aren’t they the little boy who cried wolf one too many times for anyone to believe them now?

  424. Well, Fox announced Obama has the nomination, according to a poster at TM. WTF? I doubt we’ll ever know what might have been in SD. This is all about voter suppresion.

  425. confloyd, confloyd, confloyd,

    i have advice.
    please capture any obama misbehavior you can. we may need it later on.


    video that we could send all over the airwaves…
    sorry, just my humble opinion…

  426. so AP/Obama’s little stunt of HRC CONCEDES didn’t work so now they come out 30 minutes later with OBIONE has clinched the nomination

    and i say if you believe all that then i have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

  427. Who cares if he is over the top, the votes don’t count til the convention, and they better shut up until the polls close! This is just disgusting. Hillary should call them on it. I have turned off the news today!

  428. I won’t call myself a democrat if he is the nominee. I will be “Independent” and never support the DNC again.

  429. Yes, but voter suppression works. Now I’d bet my house she would have won SD. But with all this voter supprression, frankly, I’ll be surprised.

  430. I’m standing by Hillary, until she sits down. If that happens, I’d be embarrassed to call myself a Democrat.

  431. skmf12, I am ready, and I am looking now for a good lap top to take with me. I will find one before I leave on Friday morning. I also will be working my mouth to convince any delegates that it is not over. You all do realize that Texas does have enough delegates to put him over the top legally without the SD’s, so we in Texas must work hard to make sure that doesn’t happen!!


    these people will do anything to effect an election…
    hillary should be ontop of this.



  433. I can imagine that rural SD is like rural Texas, its mostly satelite TV and of coarse that MSM. When do the polls close?

  434. The wire service reports the Illinois Senator has reached “the magic number” based on public commitments from delegates, “as well as more than a dozen private commitments.”

    Their tally also includes a minimum number of delegates he was guaranteed even if he loses South Dakota and Montana.
    I think the exit polls for SD and Montana must suck for Obama….and my suspicion has been fueled by that last line.

  435. I am so upset about this AP story and even Whoopi Goldberg on The View announcing this fraudulent story.

    Trying to make calls, and I just cannot focus with as angry as I am. I am just stunned at how absolutely powerless I feel.

    Well, I am hoping if this suppresses any voters, it’s the Obama voters while the pissed-as-hell Clinton voters get out there and vote their hearts out.

  436. Shenanigans, that is very late! Most close at 8 pm. WOW, Hillary needs to reach out to those states and tell them she is not conceding. Most folks I think want her to stay and maybe they will vote anyway, most are worried for their country’s safety. It must be that the exit polls are looking grim for the little Bambi!

    Has anyone ever seen a candidate that has received this kind of propping up?

  437. FLOYD,

    they must understand, they are walking into the unknown with
    barack obama.

    if only a part of what people are saying about him is true, can we
    take a chance of leading the country down this dark unknown

    it could be like that movie ‘back to the future’, where he goes back
    to an alternate past, and finds the world is in chaos, cause he made
    a wrong move that changed history…

    sorry folks, it could happen…

  438. Guys, if you are not at work and have time, the most important thing that you can do for Sen. Clinton right now is to call, call, call, especially SD.

  439. If there is a way for Hillary to go independent she needs to take a hard look at that contingency.

    She and Bill are the only ones who speak for the American people now. They are the only populists.

    Bambi is not on the side of the American People and his promises cannot be trusted. He would be putty in the hands of globalist interests. Is he also a racist? I am inclined to say yes.

    John McCain is a man of honor. He is a patriot but his policies are not as good as Hillary. I trust him with the country, just as I would trust Hillary and never trust Obama.

    If in the end it comes down to a choice between a man of honor with flawed policies vs. a much flawed man who deals in thuggery and utopian promises the smart bet is obvious and the sucker bet is clear. Caveat emptor baby.

  440. obama 35.5 delegates to to magic number……………WTF how does that translate to “we have clinched the nomination”???

  441. Shenanigans says:

    The wire service reports the Illinois Senator has reached “the magic number” based on public commitments from delegates, “as well as more than a dozen private commitments.”

    Their tally also includes a minimum number of delegates he was guaranteed even if he loses South Dakota and Montana.

    We just saw how inaccurate the wire service is.

    Given the way the news manipulates everything – they’ll keep it vague and say, he has the numbers without saying who the commitments are from. “private commitments” by ass – yeah, well, SHOW ME THE SUPERDELEGATES.

  442. The AP should be embarrassed that it called the election too early. From its own article:

    “The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments.”

    Heheh, so let’s get this straight: we’re in the closest primary in American history. Many other primaries, which were not as close as this one, have been decided at the convention. SDs can change their mind, and we all know how volatile this election has been. AND, most important, the Associated Press admits that its own tally is based on “private commitments” from certain SDs, who are obviously not sure enough of their own choice to even make it public.

    When will the MSM listen to their own blathering about not calling an election prematurely?

  443. I looked up Beth Fouhy who wrote that AP article that started this morning’s mess.

    She’s embedded with the Clinton campaign, and it dawned on me that I bet the Obama campaign and the in-the-tank media has been using these embedded journalists as spies and to keep one step ahead of the Clinton media strategy.

  444. would certainly explain every time they have used the “a un-named clinton campaign worker” said….blah blah blah

  445. has anyone else noticed obama sign says

    CHANGE: WE can believe in

    and not

    Change: YOU can believe in

  446. “The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments.”

    If this is true, then the story could’ve been published tomorrow. It could’ve been published last night. It’s a story that was waiting to hauled out just today in the hours in which many people are heading to the polls.

    Amazing isn’t it?

  447. Yeah. I’m familiar with Betty Fouhy’s HRC campaign coverage. Seems everytime I’m reading an AP story that has a negative HRC slant, it’s by Fouhy.

  448. OMG, I am sick of this man and his thugs! It is disgusting, depressing and deflating! I will dance on his dismise tomorrow after the tape comes out. Why don’t the SD’s and the rest realize that all this media blitz and the lies that BO is putting out is only making the hate of this man worse. He is playing the game that will defeat him in the fall as sure as I am an old white female, uneducated, poor, bitter, racist in Texas!!!

  449. after the credentials commitee challenge, the official delegate count will change to 2210

    so…….. no one will be the nominee after today 😀

  450. BO and Axlerod are using exactly the same tactics they used to get him into the Illinois Senate and Congress. Eliminate your opponent in such a low-handed way so that you run unopposed. This is just what they have been trying to do with Hillary SINCE IOWA, but she has had none of it, bless her. The only thing left is to manipulate the narrative that he’s won, he’s won, he’s won, especially after any blow-out. So, ignore Kentucky, ignore West Virginia, ignore Puerto Rico, ignore South Dakota and Montana, and just continuously proclaim victory and put out ‘news’ that Senator Clinton is about to concede.


  451. Thi is from TalkLeft: Jeralyn:

    The AP, which still has egg on its face from this morning’s false report that Hillary would concede to Obama, does it again.

    The AP is sending out a breaking news report, complete with post-mortem analysis, that Obama has reached the magic number and is officially the nominee.

    Votes are cast at the convention in August. Superdelegates can change their mind any time before then. If this went to an open convention, even pledged delegates would be released from their pledge after the first vote.

    This does not mean it’s going to the convention. It means that until one candidate drops out, there can be no winner because the number of delegates that candidate has can change any time until the convention.

    Until and unless Hillary Clinton publicly suspends or ends her campaign and concedes that Obama is the nominee, there is no nominee. There is only a statement that if current delegate positions at this moment were frozen in time until August he would be the nominee.

    If and when Hillary makes that determination, then Obama will be the nominee. At that point TalkLeft will congratulate him and offer him our support. We’re not there yet.

  452. I repeat: NO ONE has 2118 – the media, the DNC, and Obama campaign can blather on all they want, but “the rules” don’t give SD’s any substance until the convention. Hillary MUST go all the way!

  453. exactly, filbertsf –

    I mean what better way to get the goods on the Clinton campaign than to have “journalists” embedded. Fouhy’s from New York – though she mine as well be part of the Chicago cabal who are likely bought and paid by BO. I cannot wait for the GE to be over, for the Republicans to help uncover this media conspiracy, and to read the investigations on the media- I have no doubt that there will be a new Chicago 7 when this is all said and done.

    I just hope the voters are smart enough – I am disheartened that this probably cost Clinton thousands of voters.

  454. On the other hand, countthevotes, maybe it will keep Bambi’s people from coming out instead?

    I think Beckel going on Fox about the video tape was to force them to shit or get off the pot. They know that if they hold it the impact of the tape becomes lessened, but if they drop the tape now they look like they are just mean.

    I say drop it now!

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