A Kidney, A Stolen Election, and Puerto Rico

Update: Video added.
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Puerto Rico votes today. Polls close at 3:00 p.m. (ET). Hillary will again win. Puerto Ricans will stand with Hillary.

Harold Ickes also stands with Hillary Clinton.

Harold Ickes is someone you want beside you in a fight.

There, he signed up for the 1964 summer protest tour against racial segregation in the Deep South, where he lost a kidney in a mob beating.

Harold Ickes, fighting for civil rights lost a kidney – he has that type of total committment.

Yesterday, Harold Ickes was speaking on behalf of Hillary Clinton – once again for basic civil rights.

“This is not a good way to start down the path of party unity,” Ickes said, who admonished the committee for their “gall and chutzpah” in the ruling. Ickes also warned that this may not be over yet. “Sen. Clinton has asked me to reserve her right to take this to the credentials committee,” Ickes said, to cheers from Clinton supporters in the hotel ballroom.

Yesterday, the Democratic? Party voted to give Obama delegates in a race he was not even running in.
Yesterday, the Democratic? Party voted to give Obama delegates Michigan voters entrusted to Hillary.

There is one correct answer to the outrages the Democratic? Party perpetrated yesterday: Denver!

Hillary supporters know votes were stolen by the Democratic? Party yesterday:

Hijacking four delegates is not a good way to start down the path of party unity,” said adviser Harold Ickes. [snip]

“Mrs. Clinton has told me to reserve her right to take this to the Credentials Committee” at the convention, said Ickes, who is a member of the Rules Committee that voted Saturday. [snip]

How can you call yourselves Democrats if you don’t count the vote?” one of the many hecklers in the audience yelled loudly and repeatedly before being escorted out by security. “This is not the Democratic Party!” [snip]

“We just blew the election!” a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters.

This isn’t unity! Count all the votes!” another audience member yelled.

Jim Roosevelt, co-chair of the committee, tried repeatedly to gavel it to order. “You are dishonoring your candidate when you disrupt the speakers,” he chided. [snip]

Proponents of full seating continuously interrupted the committee members as they explained their support of the compromise, then supporters of the deal shouted back.

“Shut up!” one woman shouted at another.

“You shut up!” the second woman shouted back. [snip]

Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise giving delegates half votes was the next best thing to full seating.

“We will leave here more united than we came,” she said.

Some audience members heckled her in response. “Lipstick on a pig!” one shouted.

It’s lipstick on a dead pig.

Hillary supporters are and will remain righteously angry.

The Democratic Party risks the defection of many supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton unless it settles the Florida and Michigan primary fracas to their satisfaction, said protesters at pro-Clinton rallies in Washington yesterday.

I refuse to be associated with a party that is stupid, self-destructive and undemocratic, and now, I’m beginning to realize, is misogynistic,” said Norma Broude, an American University professor who was among more than 1,000 Clinton supporters at a “count the vote” rally at Rock Creek Park.

Friend and fellow American University professor Mary Garrard agreed, saying that she will not vote for Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Sen. Barack Obama, if he receives the party’s presidential nomination.

The Democratic Party has disdained the female demographic, they have demeaned Hillary Clinton, and this time we’re not going to roll over,” Ms. Garrard said.

As the pro-Clinton contingent, which was largely female but racially and generationally mixed, rallied in the park, Democratic leaders were gathered a few blocks away at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel to decide the fate of the combined 313 disqualified delegates from Florida and Michigan, and, in turn, the fate of Mrs. Clinton’s long-shot chance of overcoming Mr. Obama’s delegate lead. [snip]

As the committee announced its decisions, Clinton supporters in the room angrily shouted “Count all the votes!” and “This isn’t fair!”

This is not the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the ones that disenfranchise the voters,” shouted one man while thrusting his fist in the air.

You stripped me of my vote. How dare you,” shouted a woman from the balcony.

After the meeting adjourned, Clinton backer Michele Thomas accused Democratic leaders of “fixing” the primary results in favor of Mr. Obama, and said she will leave the party.

The Democratic Party turned its back on us, and now we’re going to turn our backs on them,” said Ms. Thomas, who traveled from her home in Los Angeles to attend the hearing.

Polls of Democratic primary voters also suggest that many Clinton supporters would not support Mr. Obama in November against the Republican nominee-in-waiting Sen. John McCain.

Surveys of Clinton voters in recent primary states have shown that 26 percent to 36 percent, depending on the state, say they would back Mr. McCain over Mr. Obama in the general election, while just 10 percent to 18 percent of Obama supporters say they would prefer the Republican to the other Democrat in November. [snip]

Constanta Nour-Hinkle of Reading, Pa., who was one of a few hundred Clinton supporters who protested outside the Marriott, said she is a lifelong Democrat, but would not vote for Mr. Obama for president.

“It would be the first time in my life I would vote Republican for president,” said Mrs. Nour-Hinkle, 35. “I think Obama is an empty shirt, the same as [President] George W. Bush, but only a Democrat.”

John Overton, who shouted pro-Clinton slogans outside the hotel, said he would leave the party if Mr. Obama receives the Democratic nomination for president.

I can’t stand for the Democratic Party if they don’t stand for voters’ rights,” said Mr. Overton, who traveled from his home in Chapel Hill, N.C., to attend the rally. The party “would no longer exist to me as a party.”

“I don’t scream like this normally. I’m a rational guy, but I’ve never felt like this before,” he added. “This has been a travesty of democracy.”

Democracy must be imposed on the Democratic Party in Denver.

The Democratic Party is no longer a democratic party.

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562 thoughts on “A Kidney, A Stolen Election, and Puerto Rico

  1. Moononpluto, Roger stone a republican operative claims that one of the networks has the tape. He also claimed that as the reason why Hillary stayed in the race. The Dem operative did not think she is in the race for that reason. Strangely enough he did not deny that the tape exists only called it republican dirty trick. I think most Dem operatives know that such a tape exists.

  2. more popcorn…

    Per foxnews:

    ROGER STONE ON FOX NEWS- “There IS A Tape With Michelle Obama Making Racist References…”

    ON RIGHT NOW!

    “Including references to “Whitey”. There has been a race for Clinton operatives to aquire this tape, but I believe this tape is already in the hands of a major network.”

    This JUST aired minutes ago on “Geraldo”…

    Geraldo prefaced by saying that Roger Stone was the same person who first exposed Spitzer’s relationship with hookers.

  3. Waiting for the tape……………………………………………, she should continue campaigning in GE states mode until the convention and then after the tape drops she can save the party.

  4. Per ‘No Quarter’…

    New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.

    Looks like ‘whitey gate’ is gathering storm, let’s hope the tape does exist…

    Will Obama throw his beautiful Michelle under the bus. Is the current bus too crowded?

  5. those videos of fuming Hillary’s women supporters protesting before DNC meeting is catching fire like crazy on youtube.

    Stay tuned!! Obamaba is toast.

  6. Thank you, Admin. And thank you to all who sttod up for Hillary and for Democracy yesterday. I did not know that Mr. Ickes lost a kidney in the battle for civil rights in this country. He is a hero. Much of the civil rights battle was devoted to voting rights. Let us not forget that key point: ensuring that every American citizen has the right to vote was a major goal of the Civil Rights movement. And, many Americans, black and white, suffered for that right. Many American women suffered to win the right to vote for women, earlier in the 20th century. This is a fundamental right of our democracy and I am proud to be standing with the candidate who is so firmly grounded in democratic principles.

  7. Are they showing the tape now?

    Admin: Great article, I can now not understand how the dems at that meeting (black/white) treating Harold with such disdane! This election is one for the history books. The very idea that the black folks would slap the very people who helped them (a kidney,no less) get this far is beyond comprehension. I just remember Brazille and how nasty she was!

  8. Thankgoodness for Puerto Rico, the know something is good when they see it. How many vote totals are we talking here?

  9. Love the exits from PR!!

    BTW, it looks as if the Dems are going to label the tape “dirty tricks.” If it was doctored, they’d have a point; otherwise, that argument is worthless.

  10. “Obama will have to do his homework” (as the nominee) as per Donna Braz. and Jeffrey Toobin. Hey CNN: real balanced coverage today. Where’s your representation for Hillary today? Oh this is the biggest bs I have seen in so long!!!!! Oh cripes.

  11. Yeah, I am sure Stone would like to make all AA’s believe Hillary is behind it so they won’t give her that vote!

  12. I am so glad, that Hillary is doing well in PR. The pictures of her there, were lovely, and she looked like, she was having a great time.

  13. From the end of the previous thread:

    # rgb44hrc Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    NewMexicoFan Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Just got a Hillary gram. They finish with we will unify behind the nominee etc. I have a gut feeling that there is some reason they are hitting this so hard. I don’t see Obama saying it.
    &&&&

    My take: Hillary is saying she is going to fight for the nomination, but she’s putting on boxing gloves, not brass-knuckles. Essentially, “I’m going to work for every vote, and then work for every super delegate, and work within the confines of the party’s rules, and I will accept the outcome if the opposition wins fair and square”.

    Obama’s attitude is to play it cool, that it’s already a done deal. But me thinks they’re a bit worried, on many fronts:

    1. they fucking know that about half of Hillary’s supporters won’t back him. It’s not just a tantrum-y phase we’re going through “because our candidate will lose” (she won’t “lose”, we’re fighting to have the nomination stolen). The vast chasm between Them and Us is not going to heal over just because the DNC on 5/31 said “Party Unity: Mission Accomplished”. Too much bad blood, over *how* Obama is ahead on delegates (unfair caucuses, fighting revotes in FL/MI, etc.) and SDs (we suspect these weenies are getting donations from the vast pile-o-dough from Obama’s fundraising machine).

    If only 10% of HRC supporters defect, the GE is unwinnable for Obama & Cabal. 20% or more, it’s a friggin’ landslide. “Ah, the sweet stench of defeat”.

    2. His negatives are up, and we’ve got more skeletons falling out of the Really Big Walk-in Closet. And the famed Republican slime-machine hasn’t even started warming up yet.

    3. He’s going to lose the popular vote to Hillary. It has happened that in the GE, the popular vote winner has lost the electoral college, but rarely.

    Would this be a first, where the nominee of a major party doesn’t win the popular vote, yet wins on delegates and SDs??? Or maybe the last time it happened, it was before the game of Baseball was invented?

  14. Donna “was shocked” at Harold comin’ out and directin’ his anger. She had to hold herself back.

  15. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    “Obama will have to do his homework” (as the nominee) as per Donna Braz. and Jeffrey Toobin. Hey CNN: real balanced coverage today. Where’s your representation for Hillary today? Oh this is the biggest bs I have seen in so long!!!!! Oh cripes.

    It is too little, too late. There is too much water under the bridge.

  16. haha, looks like Hillary is going to walk away from PR with over 200,000 extra for her popular vote

  17. Will Michelle’s ‘Whitey’ tape include those Brown, Yellow Americans soon as PR is rejecting Oba by 40% margin?

    Are those brown people racists?

    I can’t wait for more popcorn… LOL…

  18. I wonder which network has it and when they intend to release it. If Larry calls the game on Monday they will need to do so now. If NBC or MSNBC has it they will most certainly destroy it to protect their investment. If you think I am kidding, think about all the other harmful information on bambi which they have censored, and then tell me if you still think I am kidding. If FOX has it well then that would be best. If it is ABC there is hope. Less hope if it is CBS. The one thing you cant be sure of is it wont be on the Family channel.

  19. Do yourself a favor. Don’t turn on CNN. I am probably the only person here that WAS watchin’. No more. I cannot get to Larry’s website…what gives.

  20. we should ALL donate a ripped dollar bill or cut up paper money and send it to DNC and saying, “Thank you for halving my vote, you will continue to not receive contributions from me until I’m recognized as a whole voter, and not as a half of a voter.”

  21. Was anyone here from Big Pink at the DC rally, or inside the DNC Rules Committee meeting room?

    Any interesting stories?

  22. “Intuitively, this seems like a pretty reasonable range. Puerto Rican officials expect a turnout of about 500,000. Joe Sestak, who might be echoing the expectations of the Clinton camp, says 450,000 to 500,000. Puerto Rican elections expert Manuel Alvarez-Rivera guesses 600,000.”

  23. Fox has it, I am almost positive. They are the only ones dropping hints, Hannity and Rivera, and Cavuto have mentioned it.

  24. Justme: I think destroying currency is illegal?? I dunno that might be somethin; my 7th grade teacher made up

  25. TM has alot of good commentors, but William over there is positively inspired. If you have not seen it here is what he or she said re. DNC.

    Clinton 60%, Obama 40%

    The DNC gives Obama an extra 9%, so he ends up with 49%, and Hillary 51%

    A caucus to follow the primary is hastily arranged, and Obama wins, 7 votes to 2. This means that Obama gets 41 delegates out of Puerto Rico, and Clinton gets 14.

    Donna Brazile says that because there are very few African-Americans in Puerto Rico, the vote should not count. But in the spirit of unity, she will give Hillary 4 delegates, and Obama can keep his 41.

    David Bonior makes an impassioned plea that Clinton does not deserve any delegates because she has run a divisive campaign. But Howard Dean steps in and says that since the loser is the one who must unify the Party, he will give Clinton 2 delegates. Donna Brazile revises her earlier statement and says that since the Puerto Rico results are now very close to those In South Carolina, she will award an extra 80 delegates to Puerto Rico. Of these, Obama gets 78 and Clinton gets 2.

    So the final total in delegates will be, Obama 119 and Clinton 4

  26. rgb 44,
    Only other time in history that the pop vote winner was not the nominee was 1972 when mcg had more delegates (run up interestingly enough in small, red caucus states) but Humphrey had pop vote (although margin was smaller than HRC margin will likely be).

    And what happened in 1972? McG lost 49 states in landslide drubbing to a very unpopular nixon. A race the dems should have won. Interesting corolaries – doncha think.

  27. YALL, Hill won every damn demographic group in PR today, according to CNN (with that caveat).

  28. she basically blew his ass out of the water and if he over polled it might well be 75 to 25

  29. guys,
    I am out of the country w/ no access to broadcast media and I confess that I don’t know “larry” at noquarter well. Is he credible? Could a tape really exist? or just rumor?

  30. wbboei, The rumor is that Cavuto on Fox has it. Roger Stone, when he made comments about the tape, was appearing on Fox, I believe. Doubt he would say a “major network” has it when it’s Fox’s competition, lol.

  31. Everyone has suddenly today just whooped up the MO tape, its obvious Fox is preparing to drop it and the best time to drop it would be tomorrow to create a shitstorm.

    Think about it, Obama prepares to declare himself winner, Repub network drops campaign killer right as he is about to declare victory and embarrasses the Democratic party in oblivion. Its not rocket science.

  32. Ann, Larry Johnson is an avid Hillary supporter, a former CIA agent, and a friend of Valerie Plame’s. He is VERY credible.

  33. Ann,

    Freeper is saying Roger Stone is the one who broke Spitzer prostitute story. Don’t get your hope up though, but it’s fun to watch Obama train treck even he steals the nominee.

  34. Ann, that’s Larry Johnson. He’s an ex-CIA guy who supports HRC and has reliable sources. He reported on the tape a couple weeks ago, saying he had confirmation from several people (including a prominent Dem who’s an Obama supporter), and now we hear a Repub operative on TV actually discussing it. I’m 100 percent positive it exists.

  35. Ann,

    We don’t know. But the suspension is killing us all, lol.

    Sit tight for the Obama train treck ahead.

  36. Gore won the popular vote and ceded the presidency to an incompetent, illiterate man.

    the universe cannot be so cruel to let this happen twice…..can it?

  37. I don’t think there has ever been a candidate who was the assumed nom losing races by such huge margin this late in the game. Ever. In 2004, Kerry didn’t lose anything after March and won everything by Huge margins.

    BO is a joke.

  38. The Veepspot……why should she do that? She’s better than that. I say if not Hillary now, Hillary in 2012, and McCain for 4 years.

  39. Anyone else think Obama’s got a hispanic problem, couldnt be any clearer today could it.

  40. How about droping the video on Wednesday morning after he has claimed the winner…. put egg on his face

  41. He does, vato can’t win the Latino vote for shit. I am Latino, let me tell you, my family, dems since r=they could vote all the way tomy grandma, and they WILL NOT VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA.

  42. are there any Hillary surrogates on cable today? Fox has crapped out, CNN crapped out…

  43. I also didn’t realize McGovern lost the popular vote in ’72. Yikes, the parallels between his and Waffles’ campaigns are uncanny.

  44. mollyjrichards Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
    Lots of people on tv speculating about “does Hillary want the vice presidency”

    NO. She wants the presidency.

  45. Katherine Harris, Nancy Pelosi, a garden spade, tons of makeup and sandblasting tools, they are all friends.

  46. Nancy Pelosi as Katherine Harris fits very well, in this election cycle. If the shoe fits….

  47. hawk & all,

    I think at this stage, most of us have come to a conclusion, this is NOT even about HILLARY. It’s about OBAMA. We simply can’t let that empty suit, dangerous Bush III on the left to grab the power and lead U.S. further down the tube.

    If Hillary wants or accepts a V.P. slot, I’ll think twice to pull the lever for the ticket headed by Bamba.

  48. admin,

    great news they’re upset… LOL… IMHO, those lefty loonies need to be sent to Iraq to get a taste of reality.

    Maybe Michelle and his daughters be dispatched to Afghanistan? lol.

  49. ABC news eh? They are more conservative than the other major networks……this could be good.

  50. I suspect that the network that has it, is having it verified before they do a single thing with it, this will be big and they have to be 100% sure.

  51. I’d vote AGAINST obama/hillary — for her own good. She shouldn’t nobly prop up that loser at her own expense. If they won, she’d be tied up with him for 8 years and never get her own chance to do anything! I”m sure she’s too smart for that …. but let’s make sure.

  52. You know……as much as it may seem counter-intuitive at first, I think yesterday’s ruling by the corrupt RBC is exactly what HRC wanted…….(although they didn’t do it for that reason, she is just smarter than they are). Why?

    1. They legitamized the votes in those states – now she can unequivocally that she is the candidate – across both parties – who received the most votes. In fact, the most votes EVER.
    2. They screwed around w/ MI enough to give her a legitamate argument for continuing on the convention.

  53. debbie, They were talking about that on TM. I found the story to be a big yawn, frankly. I wouldn’t worry about it.

  54. Found this today…something for you to read while waiting for the PR results. Enjoy!

    A Comedy of DONKEY-CRATIC
    Party Primary Voter Laws
    hogueprophecy.com/prophecy/elections2008/democraticprimaries.htm

    Friends,

    The most popular Democratic president, more popular than Senators Clinton and Obama who would be
    president, has yet to be seen in the interminable television debates or have had his name pasted on
    ballots or his person become a lightning rod for heated public caucus attention in the current
    presidential primary season of 2008. Being a very active president these last two terms he could not
    take himself away from his foreign and domestic policy projects unless something profound forced him
    home to present himself before the American people and the world press standing in the Oval Office of
    the White House.

    In late November 2007, the President of the United States had to come home. He had not stepped foot in
    his official residence since late January 2001. It took a Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony to drag him,
    most reluctantly, back there. President Gore shook hands with George W. Bush, in a stiff and
    uncomfortable photo op. Even the figurehead for Vice President-in-Chief Dick Cheney’s administration,
    must honor pretenses and bask in another American’s proud accomplishment being acknowledged with one of
    the world’s highest honors for his ecological activism and documentary that turned and inconvenient
    truth about the dangers of climate change into a US national debate. If a majority of US voters now
    believed global warming was a real danger, even the White House-sitter, the former oil exec, big oil’s
    premier politico poster boy for C02, had to entertain this Nobel Peace Prize winner.

    President Gore who now fights for butterflies was the one denied his presidency back in a close election
    in November 2000, because 6,607 Florida votes in liberal Palm Beach County precincts were mistakenly
    punched for right-wing Pat Buchanan because of an ill designed Butterfly Ballot created by some
    chairwoman of Palm Beach elections — a democrat.

    Eight years later, something very wild “ass”-inine still stinks about the Democratic Party voting rules
    for most states. You can vote twice on the same day in Texas for the primary “and” the evening caucus.
    You can vote twice in Washington State but on different days. The Democrat controlled state government
    even spends millions of dollars manufacturing absentee and regular ballots for you. The Washington State

    Caucus held on 9 February saw Obama win 66.7 to Clinton’s 32.2 percent of the vote — a difference of
    33.5 percent. The primary vote held on 19 February saw Clinton come within 9.5 percent of taking
    Washington back from Obama. The Democratic Party rules say the primary vote adding up to 354,112 (Obama)
    315,744 (Clinton) didn’t count. Only those who caucused numbering a paltry 13,209 (Obama) 6,409
    (Clinton) counted.What could be more Jackass-o-cratic? A waste of millions of dollars and 650,238 voters rendered invalid against a scrawny host of 19,618 legitimized by caucus.

    Why such a variance in voter participation?

    A small but lively gaggle of alpha male and female extroverts who populate the sharpest left and right
    edges of political extremes just love a caucus where you stare down your neighbors and get a chance to
    pontificate or soap box your views. My direct experience of noisy, crowded caucuses says that people of
    a more passive, retiring and shy nature, are put off by all the histrionics and peer pressure hysteria.
    Moreover, many people can’t leave their jobs to caucus. A lot of the sick, enfeebled or elderly don’t go
    because they don’t have the stamina to tolerate the hubbub or can’t stand on their feet that long. They
    would rather cast their vote absentee and in private. My 80-year-old mother is one of these. She voted
    her absentee ballot for the Washington State primary instead of attending the caucus only to discover
    later that her vote meant zilch.

    Even a donkey with red white and blue streamers tied to its jack-rabbity long ears should know that
    representative democracy is not at work here.

    Democrat pompous polls and circumstance will only get more wild-ass weird now that Hillary Clinton
    pulled off a classic Clintonian “comeback kid” event last night (4 March 2008). The Obama-juggernaut was
    broken after an 11-election winning streak after Super Tuesday (5 February), of which four were Obama-
    friendly caucus elections. She WON the Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island primaries only losing the Vermont
    primary to Obama and the Texas caucus by a surprisingly tight two percentage points. The latter count is
    being disputed by Clintonites who claim they were locked out of caucuses by Obamite-voting precinct
    leaders.

    This run for the Democratic nomination will not be over soon. Clinton broke Obama’s winning streak and
    proved once again that she wins the important big states a democrat must win to beat the Republicans in
    November: those winner-take-all horde of electoral college votes of California, Florida, Ohio, Texas,
    Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Tennessee. Pennsylvania is the next primary battl
    state and it is Clinton country — the roost of rust belt, the NAFTA orphanage, the bear market den of
    beer drinking Dems.She’ll probably win there too.

    After Pennsylvania comes a rehash of that hallowed Democratic Party tradition of playing Demo-loose
    burro with the party rules. A financially burdensome repeat of Michigan and Florida primaries will
    follow in June at the latest. Clinton won both handily even when the votes were not accepted. The states
    broke Democrat party rules scheduling their primaries earlier than Super Tuesday allowed, back on 15 and
    29 January respectively. Obama took his name off the Michigan ballot, but Clinton did not (clever girl).
    Obama kept his name on the Florida ballot (clever boy).

    Before Pennsylvania, the previous elections totaled 11 caucuses to 15 primaries. The final leg of
    primaries sees the caucus advantage to Obama tank with only one caucus to nine more primary elections —
    advantage Clinton. Add two more primaries if party law be fudged to allow Michigan and Florida in
    rematch.

    Would a resurgent Nixonian Clinton on the warpath going negative on a besieged Barack Obamagogue for
    lofty speech and little policy substance catch a bigger piece of the primary voter pie with or without a
    Michigan-Florida redux? I predict this race goes on to a split decision at its end. Imagine the future
    scenario of an Old West shootout in search of breaking a Mexican Standoff on the delegate floor of the
    Democratic Convention in Denver, Colorado.Unthinkable.

    In the “ass” end of the primary season, I predict the President of the United States will have to stop
    the insanity. I mean, the one that was robbed by donkeys playing with butterflies back in Florida in
    2000. President Al Gore is the most influential of the supreme super-duper donkey-demo-delegates. He
    will broker a solution in June at the latest that will see either an Obama-Clinton, or Clinton-Obama
    compromise ticket presented before the convention.

    Gore will suggest whoever is surging at the end of the primary season should win a berth at the top of
    the ticket going against McCain in November. This “Surge” the anti-war Democratic Party takes very
    seriously. The candidate who is nosing ahead at the end of the photo finish has the better chance of
    being “Gored.”

    (Written 5 March 2008)

  55. TM made that exact point about giving Hillary a legitimate reason to keep the MI issue alive. I mean, if they had just given Hillary her actual delegates (73) instead of taking 4 away and giving them to Waffles, there’d be much less reason to feel we got screwed.

  56. I find a lot of stuff they say about Hillary a big yawn, but MSM makes it headlines for 2 weeks.

    Did ya notice all those big smiles the MSM has on today after the RBC meeting?

  57. I read over at TM that Donna is spouting off how she got to Harold Ickes and she could have said more, but her sisters were proud that she did not.

    Lets all email Donna and let her know how greatfull we are for her help in making sure all Clinton supporters will vote for MCCAIN!!!LOL!!!

  58. Ann,

    You’re absolute right. Let’s face it, the ‘delegates’ accumulated by Obamabots via corrupt caucus system are pretty much insurmoutable. It’s a system elites used to cheat Hillary out of the nominee by supressing her broader coalition. A smart right winger blogger has the following to say on yesterday’s ruling.

    Hillary basically won today by JSobieski
    Even if Hillary was able to seat Florida and Michigan delegates with full voting rights instead of half voting rights, she still would not have enough delegates.

    The critical thing for her campaign was to recognize the Florida and Michigan primaries so that in the populare vote totals, her votes would be included.

    She is now ahead in the popular vote, and will remain so thanks to Puerto Rico (where she could win by a six digit margin).

    So in terms of what she needed, Hillary won.
    By having the loudest protestors, Hillary won.
    By having the media focus primarily on the pro-Hillary protestors, Hillary won.
    By pushing back the goalposts of delegates needed by Obama for victory, Hillary won.

    The MSM is both stupid and totally in the tank for Obama. The inability to see even one move ahead is striking.

  59. WAITIN’ ON THE TAPE TO COME

    Me and all my friends
    We’re all misunderstood
    They say we stand for nothing and
    There’s no way we ever could
    Now we see everything is going wrong
    With the world and those who lead it
    We just feel like we don’t have the means
    To rise above and beat it

    So we keep waitin’ (waitin’)
    Waitin’ on the tape to come
    We keep on waitin’ (waitin’)
    Waitin’ on the tape to come
    It’s hard to beat the system
    When we’re standing at a distance
    So we keep waitin’ (waitin’)
    Waitin’ on the tape to come

  60. Brazile makes me sick, she was holdin back yesterday, she was not lettin her anger show at Ickes. Her response to those who will not vote for Obama in the GE is to stay home. That shows you how much she cares about the rest of the democratic party.
    I can just see it now, instead of Kanye West saying, George Bush doesn’t care about Black People, a white person will be saying, Obama hates Doesn’t care about White People.

    BTW, Larry’s website was infiltrated by a hacker, that’s just what I heard. Fox is dropping hints all over the place about the tape, could be something to it.

  61. Donna Brazile needs major rehab together with Nancy. I’m wondering whether Nancy’s little brain has been sereverly damaged by her overuse of botox.

    All female should feel insulted by those two low IQ scumbages to represent them just because they have the same vagina.

    I actually saw Nancy in person before. She is, really, not pleasant to watch.

  62. I’m laughing at the obamabots. They just said over on DU, If Obama wins the popular vote in the GE but loses the electoral vote, he should fight it all the way.

    Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here.

  63. moonpluto: the obamabots have shown their lack of critical thinking skills, once again. By that logic, Hillary should fight all the way to the convention. They are truly immature morons.

  64. I mean, all that shit they been throwing at Hillary about changing the rules mid game.

    They really are cretins of the first, not worthy of stamping on but i will anyway.

  65. somebody let me know when Hill talks cause i am watchin’ a movie. bama at the corn palace was makin me wretch.

  66. Just want to share how I feel – even if there is something that will damage Obama, I feel that HRC and the people should go INDY. I feel that we can pull this off. The DNC is certainly not the Clinton’s and the people’s party anymore and I don’t want to be a part of this corrupt, unprincipled party.

  67. Terry McAuliffe said something very interesting earlier that perked up my ears.

    He said he had dinner with Hillary last night and they both agreed “this is not the democratic party they know anymore”

    So I wonder?

  68. socal4hill,

    I agree Clinton should go independent… Clintons do not owe democratic party ANYTHING, period. The party needs to be destroyed to have a chance in the future.

    But going INDY needs a LOT of GUTS, I mean A LOT. Expect 99% of Clintons’ DC establishment friends to abandon them…

    I don’t know the answer, the only thing I know is to destroy Bama at any cost in Nov.

  69. Make sure you read to the bottom. I have heard this before, even with our own mayor of Cleveland…resign, you aren’t indicted. Another thug for Obama.

    Obama picks up Nevada superdelegate
    By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY,
    AP
    Posted: 2008-06-01 03:45:34
    LAS VEGAS (AP) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has picked up the support of Nevada superdelegate Yvonne Gates, nudging him closer to the nomination.

    The former Clark County Commissioner and member of the national party’s Rules Committee told The Associated Press late Saturday that she had been impressed by the Illinois senator’s campaign.

    “I have been admiring, just from afar, looking at the way they run the campaign. I have been pretty impressed with this operation,” she said. “I think he would make a great president.”

    Her decision comes as Obama is on the verge of winning the nomination fight against Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    With the addition of Gates, Obama’s had 2,053 total delegates, 65 short of clinching the nomination.

    As a member of Democratic National Committees Rules Committee, Gates said she had decided to remain neutral in the race until the committee reached an agreement on how to handle delegates from Michigan and Florida, states that held primaries in violation of party rules.

    The committee agreed Saturday to seat both states’ full delegations, though each delegate will get only half a vote.

    Gates said she supported the decision.

    Obama now has 17 of Nevada’s 34 delegates, to Clinton’s 13.

    Four Nevada superdelegates remain uncommitted – U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, state party chairman Sam Lieberman and Nevada fire fighters union president Rusty McAllister.

    Gates served as the chairwoman of the DNC’s Black Caucus in 2004. She said she was appointed to her post at the Democratic National Committee by former-chairman Terry McAuliffe, now the Clinton campaign chairman. She said she did not consider her choice an act of disloyalty.

    “My goal is to win the election against the Republican in the general election. I’ve been waiting for this for eight years,” she said.

    Gates, 51, lives in Las Vegas. She resigned from the county commission last year amid allegations that she misused campaign contributions. She has not been charged with a crime.

  70. moon, They sound like us, lol.

    BTW, Craig Crawford says the rulings yesterday show this is Obama’s party now. The DNC has made its choice and now it’s going to reap the whirlwind.

  71. If two networks have the tape then it is Katie bar the doors for bambi. Hannity is more flamboyant and narcisstic than cavuto, so I hope Neil lets Hannity run with it. They have some good investigative journalists at ABC so that is not bad either.

  72. molly,

    I’ve been actually in pretty good mood. I long passed the period of sadness, anger etc. I just find it will be fun to help destroy bama in the months ahead.

    Who knows what will happen. 5 months is life time in politics. I won’t exclude the possibility that bama has to withdraw in Sept/Oct if he is doomed to pull the party down the tube by a big margin. so keep your faith and have some fun.

    Kennedy is another fun for me to watch. It sounds cruel, but thanks God, his big fat mouth will soon shut up for good. LOL.

  73. I was thinking, remember last month when Obama warned people to lay of his wife, now we know why?

  74. I just hope Kennedy finds some sort of repentence within himself for what he did in Chappaquiddick. Gos knows he’ll need it when he has to face the big guy for it.

  75. So… is it now a race to see who will air the clip of MO, ABC or FOX? I thought the tape would come out in Oct. but now the rumor that ABC has it….. well I am going to sit back and relax!

  76. Kostner,

    But most of them have abandoned her already. They were not with her when she needed them the most. They did not speak up against all the attacks from the Obama camp and the bias media. I think a lot of the people will support her.

  77. I wondering what level of outrage the tape is, is it :

    1 : Mild
    2 : Slightly hot
    3 : bad
    4 : outrageous

    or

    5 : Oh good holy fuck, i can’t believe that womans mouth.

    I’m going for no 5

  78. i know Paula, i thought that and thought you wankers.

    The fun thing is, if that tape comes out tomorrow, the mSM won’t know what to do.

    Is it possible the msm have the tape and are in a quandary what to do.

    Drop it now and kill him or hold back and have a GE bonanza.

  79. Kostner, I couldn’t have said that better! Watching the demise of Bambi and knowing soon the lech/murderer has met his maker will be a joyful experience!

    Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if he had to throw in the towel! LOL!! Come on Fox!

    So Larry Johnson is down, so I guess they are pulling out all stop to slow the outcome of that tape before Montana and SD can see it and throw the election to Hillary! I hope they get it up in time!!

  80. the reason why turnout aint great is bc these folks are citizens who get to vote in aorimary but to not get the right to vote in the general. so what is the motiviation here? not alot. its demeaning an dstupid. but FL’s dels coutn for half and their’s full right?

  81. confloyd,

    I’m a spoiled brat, but I will give Kennedy’s office a call tomorrow to congratulate the final verdict from the heaven. The murder finally has his due. LOL.

  82. moon, I think Larry Johnson will be able to shed some light about what’s going on with the tape. It’s no coincidence that his post from yesterday saying there are new and dramatic developments is followed by Roger Stone’s comment on Fox that a network has the tape. That’s the first time ANY cable or network has mentioned it, and I believe that’s significant.

  83. Someone summarized the Geraldo piece as follows:

    Quote:
    Geraldo was interviewing Michael Brown and Roger Stone.

    Roger Stone announced that a major network has a tape of Michelle.

    “Some indellible record exists of public remarks that Michelle Obama allegedly made which are outrageous at worse…at best, termed racist including some reference to white people as “WHITEYS”.

    Geraldo cut him off, calling for evidence to back up his statements, and then Stone insisted on finishing

    “There has been a race here between the Clinton people who are seeking this info and the Republican opposition researchers at the Republican national committee… I believe a major network now has this tape…I believe this will roil the race, which explains why, to me, Hillary Clinton is staying in this race. What other reason for her to stay in this race other than hoping there is a bomb… a high level Clinton operative says there is a bomb of this nature.”

    Geraldo again interrupts Stone to note that Stone was one of the first to report on Elliot Spitzer’s scandal.

    Stone said to expect this story to break tomorrow (before Tuesday’s elections) and that no fewer than seven news organizations have contacted him regarding this story.

  84. The 29% of precincts in so far only account for 20% of voters, 500K, there’s still 80% of voters to come in totally around 2 million possible voters.

  85. lets hope for over 70 percent and the other not to be named to be under 30

    and yes, confloyd, HILLARY WON PR!

  86. The DNC rules committee disenfranchised all voters by denying 1/2 of all the votes in MI and FL. I expected nothing better from the DNC idiots.

    As a man who has been a psychotherapist for decades, I believe there is a deep unconscious desire to self destruct in these party members and in the press corps as well.
    They are leading one another toward a cliff. This vote is an utter falsification of democracy. 27 people cannot – in their unwisdom – determine the votes for the 2.3 million people who voted. This is group insanity.

    Their decision is the most undemographic decision in the history of our country.

    Bodhisattva – he who is “bound for enlightenment” – Obama received votes in MI where his name did not appear.
    Bodhisattva, the higher being from Chicago, helped deny the 1.7 million people of FL half of their votes.
    For months, the Enlightened One made sure his lawyers stopped all the revote efforts in MI and FL.

    Barack Bodhisattva has the worst moral judgment of anyone who has run for President.

    1. He has befriended Reverend Wright for twenty years. He joined the Trinity United Church of Christ after Wright had joined another antiwhite, antiJewish, antiAmerican, Louis Farrakhan, in a trip to Libya to pay homage to an Islamic dictator/extremist – Moammar Kadafi. That pilgrimage was in 1984, long before Barack joined the TUCC.

    Oprah must have known about Wright’s visit; she quit that church two decades ago.

    Barack quit yesterday – 24 years too late –
    Did Barack quit after the TUCC printed a Hamas op ed piece in the church circular?
    Does your church print articles from terrorist groups? Do they? Think now.

    BB [Barack Bodhisattva] quit after Wright had married him and Michelle
    BB quit after Wright had baptized Barack’s two daughters.
    Barack Bodhisattva quit when it was politically expedient to do so.

    “Barack Obama was a member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama’s spiritual adviser, (was) the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright’s daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said “truly epitomized greatness.” That man is Louis Farrakhan. http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016641.php

    2. See http://rezkowatch.com and The Chicago Tribune and The Chicago Sun Times;
    both newspapers have written about Rezko/Obama for years.
    For twenty years, Barack Of the Impeccably Bad Judgment, has befriended Antoin Rezko.
    Rezko is on trial – now – for numerous fraud charges in Chicago.
    These charges were brought by Fitzgerald’s office, which convicted Scooter Libby.
    He has run from the FBI for years.
    Rezko was on Obama’s fund raising committee to run for the Senate.
    He gave thousands to Obama’s campaign.
    He had 11 slums in Obama’s district, which Obama and his law firm helped set up.

    Where was Barack Bodhisattva when the poor Blacks and whites in his senatorail district were freezing in the cold of their rat invested slums?

    Rezko – probably through Nadhmi Auchi – gave his wife Rita Rezko the money to buy the land that helped Barack and Michelle buy their 2.3 million dollar mansion. The lady realtor who ran the deal said without the land the mansion could not have been bought.
    Rita, of course, never uses the land; she sold a strip to Michelle/Barack for $105,000.
    [Don’t bother to use Wikipedia for Auchi; some Bodhisattva follower went in there and cleaned up Auchi’s resume, neglecting that Auchi worked for Saddam Hussein, neglecting that Auchi was convicted of fraud in France.] Auchi is a billionaire who lives in England but visited Chicago to support Rezko.

    3. http://www.amazon.com/Fugitive-Days-Memoir-Bill-Ayers/dp/0142002550/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212330448&sr=8-1

    Read about Ayers’s “memoir” in which Willaim Ayers, the former Weatherman, talks about bombing the capitol, the pentagon and a NYC police station.

    One of Barack’s first fund raisers for the Senate in IL was held at Ayers’s house with his wife Bernadine Dohrn, another Weatherman. The FBI couldn’t make major charges stick because of flaws in their approach to charging the two. Dohrn – see her book Prairie Fires on http://abebooks.com – served some time and can’t take the bar.

    Ayers appointed Barack as chaiman to the Chicago Annenberg Project. He accepted.
    For years, Barack and Ayers served on another committee, the Woods Foundation.

    The unrepentant Ayers hasn’t changed his violent ideology – even after 9/11!
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
    No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen

    by DINITIA SMITH
    Published: September 11, 2001
    ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.” Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

    Barack has – to recap – a 20 year friendship with Reverend Wright
    and with Antoin “Tony” Rezko – soon to be in prison –
    and with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
    These were not photo ops.
    [The little Bodhisattvas found a photo of the Clintons with Rezko, like that matters.]

    Guess where Barack interned in the summer of 88 as a law student from Harvard?
    . . . at the Sidley Austin law firm in Chicago.
    Guess who also had worked or was working there: yes, William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn.
    Guess who also worked at Sidley Austin in 88 – Michelle Obama.

    Yes, Ayers, Dohrn, Barack and Michelle – they go way back.

    What do the Superidiots, excuse me, the Superdelegates want to do for Barack, who has the worst moral judgment of anyone who ever ran for President in my lifetime?

    Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
    “… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama” – Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
    January 7, 2008.

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    Tuesday, November 04, 2008

    Poster Credit: Ray Noland (“CRO”)

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    The Senate ethics committe can’t throw him out.
    The American people should never have let him in.
    Barack is undeserving of any public office.

    You must realize that CNN Wolf Blitzer et ala and MSNBC have protected and continue to protect Barack’s real associations from the public.
    Chris Mathews, Keith Olbermann, Andrea Mitchell, Tim Russert – Clinton haters all –
    continue to not discuss Ayers.

    If Hillary had a 20 year association with Ayers/Dohrn, Chris Mathews would be slobbering all over the screen, screeching to America how repugnant the Clintons are.
    [Oh, and where is that superfunny supersmart little Bodhisattva lover Bill Maher?
    Come on Bill. Bill baby, my man!
    Wright, Rezko and Ayers – what material you could have?
    WHAT MATERIAL THE REPUBLICANS HAVE?
    The Republicans know every thing I have informed you about.]

    Do you really want to vote Barack into the White House which his friend William Ayers bombed?
    Do you want to vote a man into the White House whose friend of 20+ years has bombed the Pentagon?
    Do you want a President who will sit down at a state dinner with a man and woman, Ayers and Dohrn, who blew up a NYC police station?

    Have we all gone nuts for Bodhisattva?
    Yes, group insanity.
    The press and too much of the public has been sucked into the mud with Barack.

    I guess the Superidiots from the DNC “rules” committe want a President who has a twenty year friendship with a man who bombed the capitol. Yeah, that makes sense.
    Can you spell John McCain?
    Whatever your beef is with Senator McCain, he is an honorable man.

    WV, KT, AK, OH & FL – they can all spell John McCain.
    They can’t spell Nadhmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Ayers. Dohrn or Malik Zulu Shabazz;
    how could the voters in those states spell those names?
    The press – if they knew – won’t let out a word about them.

    Senator Hillary Clinton is – and always was – the only choice.

    Richard Stephenson

  87. btw, some juicy tidbits have you guys read a piece from NRO on how black caucuses congress women trying to hit on Obama… Here’s some highlights… Gosh, it’s X rated, it exlains why bama has so many young female bots. If these young girls have any shame… when women’s right of choice gets overturned under McCain, maybe these young ladies should call bamba for help?? LOL…

  88. One of the oddest stories I have come across about Obama, found on page 160 of David Mendell’s Obama: From Promise to Power:

    But what truly struck [Jeremiah] Wright from that [September 2002] meeting was Obama’s astonishment over the [Congressional] black caucus event in Washington. It opened Wright’s eyes once again to just how innocent and idealistic Obama could be about the world of politics. The conference was nothing like what Obama had envisoned, but it was exactly the way Wright, a former adviser to Chicago’s only black mayor, Harold Washington, recalled it.

  89. “He had gone down there to get support and find out who would support him and found it was just a meat market,” the pastor said in an interview, breaking into a laugh. “He had people say, ‘if you want to count on me, come on to my room. I don’t care if you’re married. I’m not asking you to leave your wife – just come on.’ All the women hitting on him. He was, like, in shock. He’s there on a serious agenda, talking about running for the United States Senate. They’re talking about giving [him] some [a p-word I’m pretty sure I can’t print on NRO, but you get the idea that it is a synonym for cat]. And I was like, ‘Barack, c’mon, man. Come on! Name me one significant thing that has come out of black congressional caucus weekend. It’s homecoming. It’s just a nonstop party, all the booze you want, all the booty you want. That’s all it is.’ And here he is with this altruistic agenda, trying to get some support. He comes back shattered. I thought to myself, ‘Does he have a rude awakening coming his way.'”

  90. Civil disobedience is the word from savagepolitics. I am carrying out mine (and my husband). We are now unaffiliated poised to vote for McCain if need be. There is no way this guy will be allowed to win. Bring on the tape!

  91. turndownobama-com Says:

    Alcina, can we really say FUCK UNITY at cafepress/ F*CK UNITY ?

    my F*CK-Unity comment was meant facetiously. though, if they had one, i would buy it! 🙂

  92. I think one of the problems with today’s primary is that it ended too early (3:00 pm) unlike some states that started from 7 am to 6 or 7 pm at night.

  93. Superdelegates do not vote until August….it is not a done deal and Hillary is still battling for those, so hold on to your seats, anything could happen from now til then.

    Unless something way over the top happens to BHO campaign it’s gonna be an uphill battle.

  94. The Latino culture, one of close, extended families that values loyalty to family and friends – is a perfect fit with Hillary Clinton. She is a strong family advocate. Did you notice how the men entering the stage after her victory speech were so respectful and chivalrous? No cocky attitudes, not “full of themselves.” What a refreshing scene to see her respected by a group of men in one picture. The first time I’ve seen such decency shown to her. For a large group of prominent males to conduct themselves as gentlemen had to happen outside of the United States. What an eye-opener.

  95. alcina Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    turndownobama-com Says:

    Alcina, can we really say FUCK UNITY at cafepress/ F*CK UNITY ?

    my F*CK-Unity comment was meant facetiously. though, if they had one, i would buy it!

    ================================

    I’ve got FORGET UNITY! and a few others at
    http://www.cafepress.com/hillaryormccain

    Haven’t found out what invectives are allowed. Probably they are infiltrated by bot-geeks and would use any excuse to harrass an anti-Obama site.

  96. Is it true that Hillary picked up 8 SDs yesterday and Obama only 1? Can someone confirm this?

  97. Now, for a story to the north.

    Said goodbye to a fellow nurse from Canada, here for 13 years. She’s moving back to Nova Scotia. Had enough of mandatory overtime, doing the work of four people each and every shift. And a higher wage awaits her IN CANADA. Had enough of the “American brand” of corporate America from a “typical” white (Canadian) person’s life clinging to guns and faith. She’s a delightful, energetic, great and cheerful nurse and person. She’s ready to return to a lifestyle that is less confrontational and demanding. Will miss her.

    Wonder if she’ll be replaced with a “mad-at-the-world” nurse with an attitude?

  98. I finally got off work, it was soooo busy! I will definitely be in a bad mood come convention time on Friday. I am praying somebody tries to mess with me! I am going to take a video camera, lap top and my camera. I will have any evidence of tampering that I can find! LOL!

  99. curosity, she probably will, I left working in Houston for just that reason, nurses with a attitude! I work in a little country hospital where everybody knows everybody. I can tell you race relations in this town have taken a hit.

    How could they not with Donna Brazille as head boss!

  100. confloyd Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Oh, I might even break down and get a tape recorder, pocket size.LOL!!
    ====================

    There are some really good little DIGITAL pocket recorders now! I got one at RAdio Shack for under $100 ($60? $30?). Carried it around in heavy sweat pants pocket at a … gathering … and it got almost eveyrone I talked to. Runs a long time, hours. Easy to upload and edit the unwanted stuff later.

  101. moononpluto, thats great! I am soooo looking forward to see this man fall along with his rotten, divisive followers!

  102. Yep, I have to go to Wallyworld tomorrow, I will invest in a small tape recorder! I am wearing my sneakers to the convention and will be able to walk alot and try to find the stuff I need!

  103. MJ 93% but still very big precints to come in in San juan and other counties. San juan only 85% in

  104. She has totally wiped out Obama’s Oregon popular vote margin tonight with 26,000 plus to spare, lol.

  105. I have never seen such a poo performance by a supposed frontrunner in the last stages of the campaign, how many states has he actually won since March and Clinton kicked his ass hard in the rest.

  106. BHO reminds me a bit of the Barry Bonds debacle. While everyone undoubtedly knows Bonds is an excelent ball player, one might question if his phenomenal record was won on his own merits or aided deceitfully through other means.

    Whether BHO wins or not, his name will go down in history with an asterisk, just like Barry Bonds, and just like GWB.

  107. moon, some people give BO the uncommitteds in MI, which I think is a sham. They also add caucus eastimates from the 4 states that do not tally the votes.

  108. What does it say about a society that has power brokers choosing the President of the United States in rigged elections in two of the past three Presidential election cycles?

  109. I posted first, and then I had to ditch to run family errands.

    It has taken me an hour to catch up. PR is great, no matter the number. 1/4 of a Million ahead. We must not let them do what they did in NM. She one by 1K,a nd they act like they won. This number must be posted over and over again. SDs so not supersede 250K of people.

    The SDs have got to be worried at this point, especially those that have committed. The quittng of his church is a major act, by a man who could not be moved by violent language against America to quit during his 20+ years there. So you know it has to be something that is threatening everything.

  110. I am absolutely livid that MI allocated 59 delegates to BHO who was not even on the ballot. In essence, this makes his final delegate count > 100. Without, it would put him about 55-60 ahead in the final analysis. This is EXACTLY why they “gave” to him – stealing 4 and handing him 59 on a silver platter. So that his final delegate count would be > 100.

    Some argument that he has – stolen delegates from corrupt DNC, and corrupt delegate counts from BOGUS rigged caucus elections. Some “legitimate” candidate. PATHETIC. The bad part also is that Dean, Brazile and Pelosi will stay in power and ensure that the rigged caucus set-up hangs around for their next “chosen one” in 2012. The DNC will now be primarily funded by dirty Middle Eastern money in the name of “democracy.”

    I am so fed up with the entire Democratic Party. We – roughly 18,000,000 voters and supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton MUST become the FOUNDING members of the Peoples Party in the United States of America. That’s why we may have little time to get some sort of party together to propel her past the dirty politics that we have all been subjected to these past several months.

  111. Hi to all, I am posting for Hillary and Bill on Politico, ABC News, and the Denver newspaper ‘Rocky Mountain News.’ I could use some help if anyone can multi-task. Just we warned, I have gone thermonuclear with my anti-Obama postings. Politico is rough so don’t read too much of the venom there or your hands may start to shake like mine did.

    Lets spread Whiteygate news far and wide.

  112. Admin, You know I have posted here for a while though I have not been a regular for the last few weeks. I really hate what the Dems did to our girl but I have always voted for Dems all my life. Could you advise me what I should do?

  113. ADMIN,
    I didn’t know about Harold Ickes losing a kidney. He is a true American hero and my respect for him (which was very high yesterday) just went way, way up.

    There’s something I think y’all should know… It isn’t just people in MI who voted in the primary that are angry about the Party giving those extra delegates to Obambi. A lot of folks who didn’t vote in January are angry too. So it goes deeper than those 300,000-plus who voted for Hillary on that one particular day.

    “Whitey”… Bring it on! I normally don’t enjoy this brand of politics, but at this point it’s take no prisoners. IF the Democrats had been fair and impartial, IF Party leaders had expressed concern about voter intimidation at the caucuses, IF the MSM had vetted Obama instead of behaving like some Communist propaganda machine throughout this nominating process, then Obama would have long since been out of the presidential race and something as sensationalistic and distasteful as “Whitey” would not have been necessary. But since the Democratic Party leaders and the media have failed to do their own jobs, then I say bring on “Whitey.”

  114. wagner1jc:

    Like the term thermonuclear. Have no problem helping to spread Whiteygate. Only problem is……….where is it and when can we view? Feel like we are now living in a land of zombie-bots, mindless programmed aliens beholden to Anti-Christ Big Brother BHusseinO. If we follow he and MO’s recent directives telling us how we will have to live, do we get to fill up a book with stamps for good behavior? When it’s full, do we get a volkswagen like Hitler gave his commies? Maybe the goose-step is next?

  115. clintondem .. you have to vote your gut. Don’t fall in line for the sake of the pitiful shell of a party that it is now. I could not live with myself if I held my nose and cast a vote for Wafflehead and his shameful wife. I would never sleep again. You must follow your own instincts, you know what kito nd of man he is by now, you know about his shameful campaign, the lies about the Clintons, the fact he will not accept responsibility for anything. Don’t buy into the partyline. There are a thousand reasons to not give him a vote and they are all valid.

    Not trying to tell you what to do except don’t be a sheep

  116. curiosityhasme and others, What are your thoughts on this?
    Calling for a REVOLUTION to return our nation to something we can all be proud of. Susan B Anthony is quoted as saying,
    “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”

    Think about it. We have let the mantle of women, motherhood, and the welfare of our nation lay too long in the hands of those to whom we are invisible.

    Join now!

    newwomensparty@aol.com OR
    ‘newwomensparty-subscribe@yahoogroups.com’

  117. dot48, Thanks. My wife who voted straight Dem ticket all her life seems to have no doubt at all. She says she would never want the B**ch MO in the white house. She has made up her mind and has no second thoughts. She is so anti Obama that she would turn off the TV if he is on!

  118. i have been a registered voting democrat since 1973. 2008 changed that forever. this party no longer represents me. dot48 is correct. vote your gut and your conscience. whatever allows you to sleep at night.

  119. they will try the”what about the supreme court” garbage at us. does not sell. they should of thought about that when they trashed hillary.

  120. # moononpluto Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    she basically blew his ass out of the water and if he over polled it might well be 75 to 25
    &&&&&

    I wonder if she got 50% of Obama supporters in PR? Jes kidding.

    But funny, the polls showed it was a lot closer…

    As for Tuesday’s festivities, any word on late breaking polling news?

  121. Hillary Clinton is exactly what our nation needs at this critical juncture in history. How these demonic people have sabotaged and hijacked this rigged election boggles the human mind. Bill and Hillary Clinton have done more collectively for the Democratic Party than any others, and this is the thanks they get? I am heartbroken and beyond ballistic. If the corrupt powers-that-be succeed in their plan, I will do my level best to work toward their defeat and the re-emergence of Hillary as THE ANSWER now and in the future.

    This much I know. McCain in honorable. He is decent. He cares about the men and women in uniform, even though I want him to end the war. I do not consider him a war mongerer. He knows war better than anybody. He is a war hero. McCain is on record as a gentleman for the despicable remarks made by the “Priest.” He is about as far to the left as a Republican gets. And he reaches across party lines. As much as it would pain me to vote Republican, I also could not live with myself in supporting the demise of our country in casting a vote for BHO. I have more self-respect and love for my country than to EVER do that. He, his wife, nor any of their associates are the role models to hold up to our children.

    This much I know. BHO is a liar. He is a cheat. He has treated HRC worse than a dog. He has a secret life that is due to be “outed” at some point involving Donald Young and other gay men (dead and alive). He is a Marxist, he has no emotional investment or loyalty to this country and has quoteds in his books that will come to pass on his watch. All he has to do is say, “I’ve stated this before. It’s in my books.” He will meet with dictators because he only cares about honoring his father’s lineage and heritage – not this country. He is the biggest danger ever to surface for our national security’s interest. And to the survival of Israel. When you don’t learn from history, it is bound to repeat itself. He doesn’t know our nation’s history OR geography (57 states) and he couldn’t care less. To me he represents one huge mushroom cloud.

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Superdelegates should not override the will of the popular vote. Just like the corrupt DNC did in FL & especially MI.

    History 101 People.

  122. Curiosityhasme: I would also add, that his supporters are some of the most immature, uneducated, abusive, and vile creatures out there. Their hatred astounds me. I will never, ever, vote for BO. I will vote for McCain, because it is an issue of national security for me. McCain is a true American and will not sell Israel or any of our allies down the river, but BO has no scruples, and is a danger to our safey. I don’t know, how he could even get a security clearance.

  123. terrondt

    this election means so much more than the supreme court, choice, whatever the bots would like to use as a wedge. this election is about the survival of this country as we know it. i truly believe this man is dangerous to the united states of america. history does repeat itself. wake up america.

  124. ShortTermer:

    Funny that you said “revolution.” I’ve been singing the Beatles’ song in my head for a while now…”you say you want a revolution…hey, hey..” That’s exactly what we need. That’s what they have been plotting for the past several years against the “Old Democratic Party – hispanics, elderly and working class whites.” Well, guess what? I would imagine we have war stategists that even know history and geography and are proud of the nation established by our founders, “typical white” Scots clinging to their guns and religion. PLUS we have THE MOST honorable African-Americans in the country supporting Hillary Clinton and not about to kick Bill Clinton to the curb. Hey Donna – THEIR momma REALLY taught them something. About loyalty, love, acceptance, inclusion, honoring others. Hillary has the support of the MOST AWESOME African-Americans this country. They are absolutely top-tier professionals that I love and admire. As hurt and attacked as they are on a daily basis – they totally “get it.” God Bless them.

  125. confloyd Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    We all need to get together and send a letter and our signatures and tell Hillary we are not uniting behind this bafoon!

    **********************

    Don’t say it with words or signatures, or flowers…

    SAY IT WITH DOLLARS !

    Sent $21.44 in meat money first thing after reading WaPO last night. Unfortunately it was registered at 12:04 am my time, so didn’t qualify for the double your money bit…

    But she needs a buck right now, not luck.

  126. SC argument is moot and boogeyman argument. The democratic party will win big in senate and congress. There is NO chance in HELL McCain will be able to nominate any right wing judges.

    I’m actually more concerned about democrats controlling three branches, especially when the party is hijacked by extreme leftists. The situation mirrors George W. Bush’s reign before 2006 very much.

  127. OMG – I FEEL LIKE I’M HAVING A HEART ATTACK.

    PLEASE GO AND CHECK OUT THE POPULAR VOTE TOTALS ON REALCLEARPOLITICS.

    The net popularvote for HRC in FL was 294, 772.

    Her net popular vote in MI was 328,309. But in the “worked totals” – they are showing her with a NET popular Michigan vote of 65,617!!!! They are apportioning POPULAR VOTES TO BHO AS WELL AS HANDING HIM THE DELEGATES!!!!

    OUTRAGE!!!! OUTRAGE!!!!! OUTRAGE!!!!! OUTRAGE!!!!! HOLD ME BACK!!!!!!! HOLD ME BACK!!!!!!

  128. The DNC Doesn’t Want to Count Michigan’s Popular Vote?
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:32:10 PM EST

    I love Markos, he’s a very good friend, but this has to be the funniest version of the popular vote total.

    By the way, in the real popular vote, including Florida which the DNC now accepts, and excluding Michigan, which the DNC now rejects, and including the caucus states (which Clinton and her camp want to disenfranchise), the numbers currently are Obama +183,067.

    So, the DNC wants to count delegates from Michigan, including awarding 4 delegates to Obama that Hillary won, but give her none of the 328,309 votes she won in the state certified election?

    Telling 328,309 voters from Michigan who voted for Hillary their vote doesn’t count because another candidate voluntarily removed himself from the ballot has to be one of the dumbest moves ever.

    From the Real Clear Politics popular vote total link that Markos cites :

    Total Votes With Florida and Michigan and without the caucus estimates:

    Hillary: 17,605,496
    Obama: 17,350,032
    Hillary leads by 255,464 votes
    Total votes with Florida and Michigan and the caucus estimates for IA, WA, NV and ME:

    Hillary: 17,829,358
    Obama: 17,684,116
    Hillary leads by 145,242 votes
    Note: Any personal attacks on Markos or his readers will be deleted.

  129. THEY HAVE IN ESSENCE STOLEN 262,692 MICHIGAN VOTES FROM HILLARY CLINTON!!!! WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE???????!!!!!!!!???????

  130. THOSE WERE CERTIFIED VOTES!!!!! SHE CAN’T LET THIS GO. THIS IS PRECEDENCE FOR ALL ETERNITY.

  131. Clintondem….if you do not vote for Obama, you will be saying “Give me back the Democratic Party I have been proud of supporting”.

    If, on the other hand, this miserable campaign, aided the media, succeeds, we can say good-bye to honest campaigns and hello to a never-ending parade of empty suits.

    I also worry that the last 50 years of racial progress will go up in smoke. Has Obama ANY 20-year black friends or advisors who are not racists, sexists and/or anti-Semites? Where are the blacks in the tradition of MLK? Of course, his white friends aren’t much to brag about. Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, Dorn, Rezko, and the Daley machine. I admire many of his supporters. But I’m waiting to hear about a close associate who is admirable. I think that makes him unfit to be president and I will vote against him

  132. It’s a damn good thing I don’t live anywhere near Michigan or D.C. I truly don’t know how the people there are handling the biggest travesty of justice in modern ages. TAKING AWAY CERTIFIED MICHIGAN VOTES AND GIVING VOTES TO BHO IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DELEGATE ALLOCATION TO A PHANTOM CANDIDATE IS ILLEGAL AND OUTRAGEOUS – AND THEN TO TAKE AWAY HER VOTES?

    EVERY MICHIGAN VOTER FOR HILLARY CLINTON SHOULD STORM THE CAPITOL MONDAY MORNING. I SWEAR, THIS FIASCO IS HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.

  133. posted front and center at noquarter right now

    Rules and Bylaws Committee Violates Their Own Rules »

    By PaganPowergravatarcloseAuthor: PaganPower Name: Pagan Power
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: http://paganpower.wordpress.com/
    About: See Authors Posts (19) on June 1, 2008 at 7:08 PM in DNC, Rules and Bylaws Committee | 28 Comments

    According to Article 9, Section 12 of the Charter and Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States:

    All meetings of the Democratic National Committee, the Executive Committee,and all other official Party committees, commissions and bodies shall be open to the public, and votes shall not be taken by secret ballot.

    Therefore the secret meeting Friday night and the behind the scenes private 2 hour meeting yesterday afternoon violated the Charter of the party.

    I got your ROOLZ right here Howard!

  134. ARE WE DOING THE LARRY JOHNSON, TAPE ANNOUNCEMENT COUNTDOWN?

    somewhat at noquarter asked that all important question:
    is it ET or PT for his announcement?
    so is that 11 hours and counting or what?

  135. posted on noquarter front and center

    Rules and Bylaws Committee Violates Their Own Rules »
    By PaganPower on June 1, 2008 at 7:08 PM

    According to Article 9, Section 12 of the Charter and Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States:
    All meetings of the Democratic National Committee, the Executive Committee,and all other official Party committees, commissions and bodies shall be open to the public, and votes shall not be taken by secret ballot.
    Therefore the secret meeting Friday night and the behind the scenes private 2 hour meeting yesterday afternoon violated the Charter of the party.
    I got your ROOLZ right here Howard!

  136. Hillary has the popular vote
    – That daily kos post accused Hillary of cherry-picking states, but then in their final count did not include PR because they don’t vote in November. But she isn’t claiming the lead of states that will eventually vote, but of The Entire 2008 Primary, including Caucuses she has the lead.

  137. Hillary’s victory speech today which outlines her path to the presidency:

    Thank you so much. I have four words for you: Te quiero Puerto Rico!
    Never before have these beautiful islands had such an important voice in a presidential election. And I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here. I cannot thank you all enough. Bill and Chelsea and I are so grateful to the bottom of our hearts for your generosity and your kindness, and I hope that we have helped to draw attention to the concerns of Puerto Rico and we have also helped to spotlight the beauty and the spirit of this wonderful place.
    I am grateful for this show of overwhelming support. I came to Puerto Rico to listen to your voices because your voices deserve to be heard. And I hear you, and I see you, and I will always stand up for you.
    I also want to recognize Senator Obama and his supporters. Our two campaigns have turned out record numbers of new voters, determined to chart a new course for America. Now, this primary election has been hard fought because there is so much at stake and we must elect a Democratic president.
    I am I am overwhelmed by this vote today and I cannot complete this journey without your help. We have two contests left in South Dakota and Montana, and you can make the difference by visiting hillaryclinton.com and helping us make sure we go strong. Every contribution will help us make our case to the voters who are going to be heading to the polls.
    And I want you to know that this election is really about your future. You voted even though some tried to tell you that your votes wouldn’t count. You voted for the person you believe will be the stronger nominee and the strongest president. And you are not alone. You are joining millions of people across the United States, more than 17.6 million, plus the votes that we’ve received today. People who don’t always make the headlines; who don’t always feel like your voices are being heard.
    I think about these people all the time, because that’s who I care most about. The nurse on her second shift who still can’t pay her credit card bills; the worker who can’t afford the gas on the way to work, the waitress on her feet without health care. The small business owners saddled with rising energy bills; the college student who can’t afford to continue college; the farmer, the teacher, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran. The people yearning for a president who will rebuild the economy and a Commander-in-Chief who will restore our leadership and moral authority in the world.
    I know that people face tough times. But what I’ve been impressed by is the resourcefulness and resilience that the people here and across the United States use to face whatever challenges they confront, because they believe they can keep working for a better tomorrow. The American Dream may bend under the weight of challenges we failed to meet and presidents who have failed to lead. It may bend, but it will never break, because that’s what keeps so many of us going; the thought of a better life tomorrow and a better future for our children.
    I believe that the people of the United States need a champion in the White House, someone who will be a president in their corner and on their side. I believe you are voting because you want a president who will stand up for universal health care. Who will stand up for action to address the housing crisis, who will stand up for better jobs to protect Social Security. You want to cut through the speeches and the sound-bites to real solutions.
    And so today you’ve come out strong. You have defied the skeptics. More people across the country have voted for our campaign, more people have voted for us than for any candidate in the history of presidential primaries.
    We are winning the popular vote. Now, there can be no doubt, the people have spoken and you have chosen your candidate. And it’s important where we have won. We are winning these votes in swing states and among the very swing voters that Democrats must win to take back the White House and put this country back on the path to prosperity. Together, we’ve won the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, West Virginia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, and, yes, Michigan and Florida.
    And I hope by my second term, regardless of what the people of Puerto Rico decide about the status option you prefer, you too will be able to vote for the next president of the United States.
    So, when the voting concludes on Tuesday, neither Senator Obama nor I will have the number of delegates to be the nominee. I will lead the popular vote. He will maintain a slight lead in the delegate count. The decision will fall on the shoulders of those leaders in our party empowered by the rules to vote at the Democratic Convention.
    I do not envy the decision you must make, but a decision has to be made, and in the final assessment, I ask you to consider these questions: Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic primary? Which candidate is best able to lead to us victory in November? And which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?
    I am in this race because I believe I am that candidate, and I will be that president. We are winning the popular vote because we have stood for the core principle of our party, a party that believes in universal health care – no one left out. A party that believes hard working, middle-class families deserve a fair shot at the American Dream, a party that believes we must bring our troops home from Iraq safely, responsibly, and honorably. A party that cherishes every child, values every family, and counts every single vote.
    We are winning against John McCain and beating him in the key states. We have what it takes to get the 270 electoral votes necessary to win the White House. And the majority of voters know who is ready on Day One to serve as our president. A president who will bring strength, knowledge, and experience to the White House to solve our toughest problems. A president who knows firsthand the challenges of the job, as well as its power to make a positive difference in people’s lives.
    That’s why I’m in this race. Ultimately it’s not about Senator Obama or me. It’s about you – your hopes, your interests, your futures. It’s about the direction we choose as a nation. With two wars abroad and an economic crisis at home, we have to get this right. Our country cannot afford four more years of more of the same.
    So, today Puerto Ricans across this beautiful place that I have come to enjoy so much made your voices heard and your votes counted, and for that, I want to thank my co-chairs, Senate President Kenneth McClintock and Puerto Rico Democratic Chair Roberto Prats, political directors Rafi Rodriguez Aguayo and Representative Jorge Colberg, Elections Representatives, Representative “Junior” Gonzalez and Rene Estades. Jose Hernandez Mayoral, Former Governor Carlos Romero, Miguel Lausell, Virgilio Ramos, and Luisette Cabanas. And special thank you to coordinator Ramon Luis Lugo, deputy coordinator Francisco Domenech, and advisor Jeffrey Farrow.
    And I want to thank all of my volunteers, my staff, my supporters; everyone who waved at us as we caravanned all day yesterday. And I want to reiterate what I have said across Puerto Rico, together, in my first term, we will finally enable the status question to be resolved, based on the principles that government should be representative at all levels, and the people of Puerto Rico deserve the opportunity to choose from among all of the options.
    Together we will work to ensure that Puerto Rico is treated equally when it comes to Medicare and Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, tax breaks for creating jobs, and more. I will be your champion. And I want to thank all of my friends in our labor unions, all of them who have done so much for us. It has been a joy to work with every single union that has been here supporting me. We would not be here without you tonight. And I want to say a special word of thanks to the Hispanic community, not just in Puerto Rico, but across the United States. I am so honored you have stood by me throughout this campaign. I am grateful for your love, your friendship, and your support.
    What we have seen in this campaign and what we have always known is that Hispanic Americans, Latinos from every part of Latin America, care deeply about the future of the United States. You contribute so much to the greatness of this country, to business and academia, to labor, to the professions, to entertainment, to sports, to every part of society. And you have also contributed greatly to expanding the horizons and the diversity of our country. I am so grateful to you, and I am so proud of the support you have given me.
    I also wish to thank my family for their incredible love and support, Bill and Chelsea, my mother, my brothers, Hugh and Tony, my sister-in-laws, Maria and Megan, and all who are helping here in Puerto Rico and South Dakota and Montana. Because we are in this to choose a candidate who we know will not only stand up for us but unite us. We will be strengthened by the enthusiasm of the millions of people who have voted and volunteered in all of these contests. We are propelled by this unique moment in history.
    The campaign has been an extraordinary journey, and I am grateful for every day of it; every single day something happens which reinforces my commitment and lifts my spirits. It might be a young child who is introduced and says, “I want to grow up to be president.” It might be a young mother who says, “I have no health insurance. I hope you will help me.” It might be an older man, who says, “I am a veteran, but I cannot get the help I deserve.”
    Every story like that reinforces my commitment to what we are doing together. People deserve better from their government. The people of Puerto Rico deserve better from the federal government. So, I call on you to travel this final stretch with me, to join me as we take America back and lead our country with confidence and optimism into this new century.
    Let’s keep fighting for our dream. Let’s keep fighting for what we believe. Let’s keep fighting for one another. Let’s keep fighting for America. America is worth fighting for. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.

  138. So exactly who does the DNC work for, and how do we fire them?

    Of course it it through a very complex system of people from each state. A secret code they do not want you to ever figure out.

    So exactly how did we lose our Democracy?

  139. We should be congratulating ourselves and Hillary. We have regained our momentum. PR helped a lot. But the meeting on Saturday really was a big victory. As I mentioned in a post last week, if we were playing chess, we had Obama in Check. Before this weekend, I already felt that Hillary was a gifted strategist. Now I am confirmed in that belief. Obama is still in Check.

    The Michigan thing will get sorted out. This is not the main concern. What Saturday gained for Hillary was threefold:

    First, she and her supporters barred their teeth and growled. The bullies got a taste of their own medicine. They so desperately wanted everyone to be sitting around the campfire, toasting marshmallows, and singing koombaya. Instead they got a good old fashioned brawl. Wonderful, isn’t it? Unity postponed. Coronation also postponed. Time gained. And time is what we need most now. Why? Time is on our side. His numbers will only get worse as time goes on.

    Second, they were forced to raise the bar of the number of delegates needed to cross the finish line, thwarting Obama’s self-coronation. Also they gave us the popular vote from those two states and hence increasing the total, providing wavering Supers with cover they may need to vote for Hillary. With the impressive victory in PR, and now adding MI and FL, we are the popular vote winners. No argument anymore over this issue. It’s a done deal.

    Third and most important, in order to win, the Obama camp (the Dean/Pelosi wing of the DNC) was forced to push the measures they backed through without getting a consensus first. This was the big smart move by Hillary. There was no free lunch that day. Party unity was sacrificed on the alter of selfish gain in front of a national audience. Any more BS from the Obama side about coming together for the sake of the Party can now be simply ignored for the trash it is. To give in to the popular will that every vote be counted, would have meant giving more delegates to Hillary, reducing the impact of his propaganda that he has the most delegates, hence the winner. It was lose-lose for them. They chose to reduce her delegate gain at the expense of Party unity. There was no consensus to be found anywhere that day.

    Obviously, since the Party has openly split into two parts, with each one hating the other, it is open civil war. There may be no alternative, especially since he will not have enough delegates, than taking this thing to Denver for a fair and open vote of all the delegates. He is in Check again.

    In Denver, especially if we get a few more juicy scandals, it will be checkmate.

    Hillary will this week be taking a reading of her support to measure her backing. She will be counting her SDs and she will be checking with us. Haven’t you noticed that the emails from her campaign have been a lot more frequent recently? We need to send her a message loud and clear that we are still in it to the finish. And the way to do this is to donate. No matter the amount, send her something since she will be gauging our support. Please encourage her to keep going by donating today

  140. UPDATE FROM PUERTO RICO:

    I haven’t read any of the posts, but thought I’d let you all know that I went to Hillary’s victory speech at the Condado Plaza Hotel. What tremendous excitement. As the co-head of her campaign said, “We Puerto Ricans don’t give away our votes. They have to be earned. And Hillary really earned them!”

    Of course, the first thing I saw when I got on-line was the Yahoo headline that her win was just symbolic! Grrr.

  141. paddy4Hill, thany you for your analysis. I predict right wing radio talk show will talk about award 4 hillary delegates to BHO in MI tomorrow. a typical affirmation act.

  142. By the way, if the Obama camp or the MSM want to downplay the turn-out in Puerto Rico, I have been saying here for a long time that I didn’t expect the kind of turn-out we have in local elections. After all, you don’t change a political culture overnight – presidential elections have never interested us much (since we can’t vote for prez), let alone primaries. so I think the turn-out was quite amazing. I didn’t expect that much.

  143. What I would like to know is how many delegates she got from Puerto Rico. Does anyone know?

  144. alcina Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    terrondt
    this election means so much more than the supreme court, choice, whatever the bots would like to use as a wedge.

    =====================

    Well, I think the control of the Dem party — and perhaps of the GOP also — may rest on this election. And control of each party is more important than any particular issue, because it’s more long-lasting. Obama would move the Dem party away from center common sense — but McCain would move the GOP TOWARD center.

    We’ve seen that caucuses favor the leisured and/or aggressive. If BO won in Nov, wouldn’t that give his faction (brazile etc) leveredge to expand the influence of caucuses in future?

    Which makes it easier for the GOP to back puppets like Obama in future, who will always change the fine print to favor the money interests. The whole Dem party could become a front for the GOP (if it isn’t already).

    Or, as I think you’ve said elsewhere, the Chicago Combine…. ‘Unity in action’.

  145. paddy4hill:

    Check again about getting the popular votes in BOTH states. Seems they have given Michigan votes to uncommitted BHO just like they handed out delegates not belonging to him and belonging to HRC on a silver platter.

    She got a double whammy in Michigan. The DNC made off like a bandit and awarded a phantom candidate votes and delegates.

    Talk about grabbing shit out of the air.

  146. Hillary got her votes from MI. Don’t need to worry about the uncommitted votes. OK, it is a rip-off. Uncommitted does not equal Obama (unless they attend different spelling classes from mine). But with the votes we “earned” legitimately in MI, Fl and now PR, we have enough. Just one vote over his is enough in fact. And we have lots more than that.

    We won the popular vote.

  147. clintondem,

    Suppose I’m a customer of a cell phone company. They have always given good service and behaved ethically.

    Then some new executives come in and start changing everything: bad service and dishonest practices.

    The old, good executives resign in protest. My company now has the good old name but nothing left of the facts the name stood for.

    Isn’t it more loyal to the good facts, to boycott the ‘company’ to get rid of the bad new people?

  148. how much has average turn out been up in these contests? That is, not how much has it been in total just what percent up?

  149. birdgal Says:
    “What was the rationale for giving waffles the 4 delegates from Hillary?”
    ******
    The rationale is that people who wanted to vote for Hillary all showed up at the polls that day in January because her name was on the ballot, whereas a significant number of Obama voters supposedly stayed home or else they did write-ins instead of voting Uncommitted. Thus, Hillary’s margin of victory in MI (and the delegates she received from it) supposedly came out too high and doesn’t accurately reflect what the people in Michigan want. So the Michigan Dems concocted this compromise formula by looking at exit polls and surveys or whatnot and decided to split the difference between Hillary and Uncommitted in the Primary, with Obama getting all the Uncommitted delegates plus four of Hillary’s.

    It makes me sick just typing all this.

  150. Jen: That is a bulls***. Since when are exit polls accurate? The DNC is very, very corrupted. What do the people of MI think? Are they outraged?

  151. anyone seen universal around the thread today??

    I bet he’s busy making another awesome video and brilliant writings for us 😀

  152. Since the end of February everyone has been saying that obama is the nominee and it is over from members of the DNC to the news media calling for Hillary to drop out. Using the same logic that the rules committee used, Hillary’s supporters did not turn out in the numbers they would have had those comments not been drilled into their heads. So the DNC owes Hillary a few extra delegates from each of the following contests, afterall fair is fair:

    Puerto Rico
    Oregon
    Kentucky
    West Virginia
    North Carolina
    Indiana
    Guam
    Pennsylvania
    Mississippi
    Wyoming
    Texas
    Ohio
    Rhode Island
    Vermont

  153. I just donated my $25.44. Hopefully, those who can will do what ever amount they can afford.

    I also emailed relatives and friend. She needs money. If you can not give money, think about phone banking.

  154. Boy, new Pflegerr video “America is the Greatest Sin Against God” per ABC News blog

    In another excerpt from Rev. Michael Pfleger’s sermon last Sunday, May 25, from the pulpit of Sen. Barack Obama’s now former church, Trinity United Church of Christ on the South side of Chicago, the longtime Obama associate condemns America for racism in fairly harsh terms.

    “Racism is still America’s greatest addiction,” Pfleger says. “I also believe that America is the greatest sin against God.”

    But Obama’s relationship with Pfleger — who is the priest at a different, Catholic, church — spans decades.

    In September, the Obama campaign brought Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign. Pfleger has given money to Obama’s campaigns and Obama as a state legislator directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina’s, according to the Chicago Tribune. Pfleger appears to have been scrubbed from the Obama campaign’s page that features the testimony of faith leaders, but you can see the cached version HERE.

  155. Maybe its just me, but I flat don’t understand why people think Obama being part of that church for 20 years is not a major issue. Clearly no person would stay in such a house of worship with the type of philosophy it expouses if you didn’t agree with it. I also don’t get why people just accept Obama’s explanation that he didn’t “hear” these types of comments. You’ve got to be kidding…

  156. AmericanGal I sat with a women at our Democratic Women’s convention this last week. She all of a sudden said. I don’t know why the church is such a big deal. Why don’t we know about Hillary’s church. I know she was a professional person, and I was afraid to ask, as I knew my view of her would lower.

    Hillary’s Church, which is Methodist I believe, is not an issue, because there is not a Rev Wright saying things from the pulpit that he has said.

    We have speration of Church and State, expect when one or the other cross the line. Rev Wright crossed the line, and the Catholic Priest has also.

    I agree with you. I just do not understand what is happening to the people with the intelligent brains.

    I have left churches for alot less.

  157. AmericanGal

    That is one of my biggest problems with him. You have everyone from party elders to news media saying he does not hold those beliefs. What planet are they from? No one sits and listens to that hate week after week for 20 years and does not believe what is being spewed whether it be in a church or community group. He believes maybe not everything Wright preaches, but he believes enough to tell me he can not be trusted with responsibility of leading this country.

  158. “Looks like Dee Dee Myers has been scratched off the Clinton’s Christmas list.”

    That one’s only about 14 years too late. Sheesh.

    BTW, forgot who it was I saw up-thread making remarks about Ted Kennedy. Not cool. Makes the place like trashy, like a bunch of low lives instead of the winners and rulers we soon shall be…

    I’m all for posting whatever you want, but is common decency too much to ask. I mean, feel free to curse the other side out….. by (almost) all means…

    Admin,
    That Katherine Harris crack about Pelosi… Did I invent that one?
    Used it last week sometime, but can’t remember if I’d seen it elsewhere first…

    So what exactly is LJ promising tomorrow? Yesterday he said something dramatic, but was this talk of the networks having the tape “it”, or has he said there’s more?

  159. I also would like to know, after one of these non patriotic sermons, which his daughters would have sat there and hear with him, did he take them home and say, now Rev Wright really did not mean that.

    Obviously, MO thought he meant it.

  160. djia Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
    anyone seen universal around the thread today??

    I bet he’s busy making another awesome video and brilliant writings for us

    He posted something on the McCain blog.

  161. NewMexicoFan,

    It’s a lie. He is certainly indoctrinated with those anti-America, racist views for 20 years. I didn’t trust this guy from day one long before Pastor Wright news broke, it’s just a instinct. He, to me, is a covert agent to try to destroy America from within. Obama’s mission is exactly Pastor Wright, Pfther’s mission.

  162. Winning Again, Clinton Ponders Continuing
    By ADAM NAGOURNEY

    WASHINGTON — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won another overwhelming victory over Senator Barack Obama on Sunday — this time in Puerto Rico — even as many Democrats, including some of her supporters, suggested it would be best if she dropped her threat to battle on past the end of the primary voting on Tuesday.

    “There’s nobody taking Hillary’s side but Hillary people,” said Donald Fowler of South Carolina, a former national party chairman and one of Mrs. Clinton’s most prominent supporters, referring to her campaign’s suggestions that she might seek to challenge the way the party resolved the fight this weekend over seating the Michigan and Florida delegations. “It’s too bad. She deserves better than this.”

    In a telephone interview Sunday from San Juan, P.R., Mrs. Clinton still raised the possibility that she would challenge the party’s decision on seating those delegates. “Well, we are going to look at that and make a determination at some point,” she said. “But I haven’t made any decision at this time.”

    Heading toward what is shaping up as something less than a triumphant moment of victory as the voting draws to a close, Mr. Obama spent Sunday in South Dakota for a last-minute schedule of campaigning. He was in the state, which will vote along with Montana on Tuesday to complete the primary season, trying to thwart a last-minute effort by Mrs. Clinton to pull out a victory there and build her case that she would be the stronger candidate in the general election.

    Still, Mr. Obama showed little doubt that he considered the primary phase of his march to the White House over. His stop in Mitchell, a town of 15,500 where he drew more than 2,200, was to be his last campaign stop in a primary state. From there, he headed to Michigan and Minnesota.

    Mr. Obama himself remarked on the moment, calling the rally in Mitchell “a good way to end my campaign in the primary phase,” and dusting off an old campaign story that had been part of his repertory in New Hampshire and Iowa and was the genesis of his “Fired Up: Ready to Go” campaign call-and-response. And Mr. Obama told voters that he had called Mrs. Clinton to congratulate her on her victory in Puerto Rico and said that she would be a “great asset” in the fall. The dimensions of Mrs. Clinton’s challenge were underlined as two more superdelegates signed on to Mr. Obama.

    Mrs. Clinton won by 2 to 1 in Puerto Rico, where she seemed to revel in a weekend of campaigning even as her surrogates fought in Washington to keep her campaign alive.

    The victory — coming among Hispanic voters, who are a key constituency in the fall election — underscored a constant source of frustration among Mrs. Clinton and her supporters: that her strong finish over the past months, with big victories among blue-collar voters, have shown no signs of pushing uncommitted superdelegates into her camp.

    “Most Clinton supporters are filled with bewilderment that this is happening,” said Gov. Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania. “We are willing to go on, and we understand the inevitability of this, but we are filled with disappointment and amazement: Why haven’t these results caused the superdelegates to come around?”

    Mrs. Clinton, in the interview, in a new television advertisement and in her victory speech in San Juan, laid out why superdelegates should rally around her. She argued that by the time the final vote is counted, she will have more popular votes than Mr. Obama, an assertion that has been disputed.

    “I think it will be most likely the case in a few days,” Mrs. Clinton said from San Juan. “I will have won the most votes — more than anyone in the history of the primary process.”

    She added: “Senator Obama has a narrow lead in delegates. And we’re going to have to make our case to the automatic so-called superdelegates. And I think my case is clear — more than 17 million people voted for me.

    “In recent primary history, we have never nominated someone who has not won the popular vote.”

    Mrs. Clinton’s count includes Michigan, where Mr. Obama’s name was not on the ballot, and it does not include some caucus states won by Mr. Obama and where the popular vote was not reported. Mr. Obama’s campaign gently pushed back at her assertions that she had won the popular vote.

    “Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have gotten more votes than any presidential campaign in primary history,” said Bill Burton, Mr. Obama’s spokesman. “We are, however, ahead in the popular vote now and suspect will be ahead when all of the votes are counted Tuesday. That’s not taking anything away from what she’s accomplished. It’s just a fact.”

    In the interview, Mrs. Clinton resisted the push of some Democratic leaders — among them, Howard Dean, the party chairman, and Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker — for superdelegates to quickly chose sides as soon as the voting is over Tuesday. “I know that people are hopeful that we get a nominee, and we will,” she said. “But I don’t think it’s as important to do it fast as it is to do it well.”

    Mrs. Clinton stopped short of going as far as one of her chief lieutenants, Harold Ickes, did on Saturday night when he threatened to appeal the party’s decision over the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates to the party’s credentials committee, which will meet before the convention in August. The two states held their primaries early, in defiance of party rules; after initially unseating the delegations, the party on Saturday agreed to seat the delegates but cut their voting power in half.

    In the process, it awarded Mr. Obama a share of the Michigan vote, based on the number of uncommitted votes counted, even though his name did not appear on the ballot, and it took four Michigan delegates away from Mrs. Clinton.

    Yet in a sign of the difficulties she would face if she chooses to appeal, some of her strongest supporters said in interviews that they thought it would be a mistake to keep the fight going, noting, for example, that the battle was really over the four delegates her campaign argued were improperly taken from her in Michigan.

    “Unless something happens that I don’t expect to happen in the next, say, by the end of June, my answer to that is not only no but, hell no,” Mr. Fowler, the former party chairman, said. “What good does it do? What good does it do anybody?” Mr. Rendell said that if the nominating contest were closer, it might make sense to take the fight to the convention. “I think it’s outrageous they took four delegates away from her,” he said. “But I think with 170 delegates separating them, it’s not worth making the case.”

    And there were signs that continuing the fight, should Mr. Obama collect enough superdelegates to declare victory this week, could alienate many Democratic leaders who have stepped back as the fight went on.

    Art Torres, the California Democratic chairman who has not endorsed a candidate in the race, said it was urgent for the party to avoid divisive battles. “Everyone is paying respects to her — as we would for Obama if he were in a similar situation,” Mr. Torres said. “But it now becomes a matter of commitment to the nation and the party. We cannot allow this election to slip through our fingers.”

    A practical effect of the rules committee decision was that Mr. Obama had to win over about 30 new superdelegates to meet the revised political calculation. With the tally of uncommitted superdelegates dwindling to fewer than 150, Mr. Obama and his supporters reached out Sunday to those party officials.

    “Now is a natural time for them to make decisions,” David Plouffe, the manager of the Obama campaign, said. “We’d like them to come out publicly as soon as we can get them.”

    It remained unclear, Mr. Plouffe said, if Mr. Obama could secure enough of the endorsements before Tuesday evening. If not, Mr. Obama’s advisers — as well as Mrs. Clinton’s — still think it is likely that he will pass the threshold and be able to claim the nomination this week.

    Mrs. Clinton demurred when asked what she would do if that happened. “I just don’t think about it,” she said. “I’m just committed to making my case.”

    “I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”

  163. birdgal Says:
    “Jen: That is a bulls***. Since when are exit polls accurate? The DNC is very, very corrupted. What do the people of MI think? Are they outraged?”

    A lot of people in MI are indeed outraged, including many who didn’t even vote in January. But what was on the front page of the Free Press this morning? The Red Wings. Yes, I’m happy they’re doing well and I would be thrilled if we won the Stanley Cup. Last night’s game made me feel a lot better after the hearing fiasco. But to put sports on the front page when Michigan voters just had their voting rights stripped away????? ARGH!

    I wrote a civil, polite but firm letter to Senator Carl Levin. I told him what I thought about yesterday’s outcome. Like I said, I was polite and civil and I didn’t even use any words like bullshit. I also urged him to endorse Hillary.

  164. Is there no end to the pig lipstick & trickery with these people?

    Scary thing is, as far as they’re concerned, this is just the beginning… and look what they’ve already tried to get away with?

    From the NYT;
    “The Clinton campaign has pointed out for weeks, if not months, that Mr. Obama won’t have enough delegates to claim the nomination without the superdelegates. It’s partly a way to show the race isn’t over, despite what the pledged delegate count may say, and a way of suggesting that even Mr. Obama, who presents himself as removed from the old politics, has to rely on these party insiders.

    But now there’s a theory floating around that he might be working on a way to avoid the appearance of having to rely on superdelegates.

    Instead of waiting around for these insiders to hand him the nomination after the voting Tuesday, some superdelegates might come out for him before the voting. That would let actual voters, in South Dakota and Montana, push him over the top.”

  165. I’m an American before I am a Democrat. Barring a miracle, Obama will be the nominee. My vote will be with John McCain. It will be a vote against Barak Obama more than it will be a vote for John McCain. It breaks my heart. Gay rights will have to wait. Healthcare will have to wait. Our country is at stake.

    I am heartbroken and disgusted.

  166. The way I read at no quarter, the video would be posted by 9am on Monday! I don’t know if that is what everybody understood!

  167. RickRoberts,
    I wouldn’t exactly call the SD’s using sound judgement and making the right decision a miracle.

    More trickery, like this one from Obama, who just lost by 30% in PR.
    What’s the excuse again?
    “She is going to be a great asset when we go into November to make sure we defeat the Republicans,” Obama told a crowd at the Corn Palace in Mitchell, S.D.

    WaPo has a long story, didn’t want to clog the board with it all, but it has fuller quotes from Hill. All good stuff.

  168. confloyd,
    I don’t remember LJ saying he’d post actual video, only that there was something new & ‘dramatic’, and that he’d reveal it Monday.

    U see something different?

  169. BTW, interesting tidbit I caught earlier on FOX;

    TODAY’S PRIMARY WAS THE 1ST THIS ELECTION WHERE ONE CANDIDATE WON EVERY VOTER DEMOGRAPHIC.

    Not sure if already posted….

  170. at 9 am, larry is suppose to report on what he knows, and how he knows it…

    he said someone he knows has seen the tape, and he will give us details tomorrow…

    thats what i understood…

  171. Falling for Hillary

    By Dan Haley
    Denver Post

    A funny thing happened on the way to the Democratic presidential nomination: I developed a bit of a crush on Hillary Clinton.

    Not a full-on, lovey-dovey crush, but an admiration for Clinton that I never thought was possible.

    My conservative friends will want to wash my mouth out with whatever swill Hillary was tossing back at that working-class Pennsylvania bar a few weeks ago, but it’s true. She’s really grown on me.

    It’s not the pantsuits. It certainly not her monotone speech pattern or her long, wonkish policy talks.

    It’s the spunk. It’s the fact she actually campaigned, hard, in Puerto Rico of all places. It’s the never- say-die attitude.

    I like that no one questions her toughness, the perennial knock on female candidates. And just when you think she’s John Wayne incarnate, ready to take a poke at someone, she gets all emotional and sob-sister on us.

    Maybe she planned it as strategy, or maybe it just emanated from the strain of a long campaign, but she finally let us see her softer, more human side.

    Heck, I even like the fact that I can’t figure out why she’s still running. Is it to weaken Barack Obama to the point he loses to John McCain and she can run in four years as the “I-told-you-so” candidate? Does she really think she has a chance? Or does she just have too much pride to pull out now after being dismissed by the punditry, her opponent and half of her party?

    With all of this intrigue, the woman we thought we knew all too well is suddenly mysterious. Be still my heart.

    Of course, she frequently gives me reasons to end my silly crush, such as the Clintonesque way she counts votes, saying she’s ahead in the popular vote. I suppose it depends on what your definition of “popular vote” is, eh, Hillary?

    And then there’s the whole Bobby Kennedy didn’t get assassinated until June theory and the obligatory, almost forced looks of adoration she shoots at her husband on the stump. Ugh.

    Any reminder of the Clinton family megalomania of the 1990s is a real turn-off.

    Yet, as the campaign wore on, I found myself drawn to Hillary if for no other reason than the fact she can’t see anyone besides herself being president. There’s a certain amount of comfort in that confidence, after nearly eight years of an administration seemingly adrift.

    The duties of the Oval Office won’t chew her up and spit her out like some Jimmy Carter retread.

    Truth be told, I also think part of my newfound affection stems from the estrogen level in my household. I’m outnumbered by females, three to one.

    I often tell my 6-year-old how blessed she is to live in a country where she can be anything she wants to be. I truly want her to believe it, because most days I believe it, too.

    Not too long ago, she was singing along to a “Hannah Montana” song in the car: “Who says? Who says I can’t be president?”

    I turned to my wife and, only half-jokingly, said, “Well, she can run for president anyway . . . .”

    Assuming Hillary’s campaign will come to an end soon — and yes, I realize that’s quite an assumption — I hope history remembers it for how she obliterated the traditional barriers that have stood in the way of other women becoming president.

    No one should question whether a woman is tough enough or competent enough to be president.

    Hillary weathered enough sexism on the campaign trail that it should empower an entire generation of young women to someday sing with some certainty, “Who says I can’t be president?”

    Even if Hillary Clinton never makes it to the White House, I’ll tell my daughters about how she blazed the trail.

  172. BlueDem: you are right and she won it at a time when msm is screaming incessantly from the top of its lungs she cant win and this is just a beauty contest and it wont mean nothing in the general election. Imagine what this great woman could do to waffle if they ever found themselves on a level playing field.

    And then we have got good old msnbc calling a fatally flawed decision by a RBC kangaroo court dicatated by il duce bambi “controversial”. How about repugnant? How about a travesty of justice? How about a violation of consitutional rights? How about just plain wrong? They just cannot bring themselves to tell the truth when it conflicts with their phoney narrative.

  173. I think the guy answered his own question about why Hillary is still in. Its because of the support of women not wanting her to quit! I think she is energized by us. She is doing for the women who can’t and want to know someday they can!

  174. Hehe, the Daily Kooks are flippin’ over the popular vote argument – cause it’s a tough one to beat!

    From their fearful leader;
    Clinton speech
    by kos / Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:52:04 PM PDT

    Blah blah blah blah blah popular vote blah blah blah electable blah blah blah.
    Update: Ha ha ha. Clinton says that the primary is “not about me”. I’ve never seen a campaign that was more about “me, me, me” than this one.

    SHE, not me, and not he, won the most votes. hehehehehe.

  175. “Imagine what this great woman could do to waffle if they ever found themselves on a level playing field.”

    I’m seeing visions….. of stepping on a bug….. 🙂

  176. OK, I stand corrected he merely states he will post the news of the tape. He doesnt say he will post the tape. Although he was the 1st to post the Father’s tape wasn’t he?

  177. I posted this elsewhere, but thought to share it here too:

    HRC received 659,512 more votes than Obama From Mar to June

    Of the states that voted in March, April, May, and June:

    Hillary won 8 states with 1,125,125 total votes(659,512 more than Obama):

    1. Ohio (by 228,781 votes) ;
    2. Rhode Island (by 33,635 votes);
    3. Texas (by 95,731 votes, reduced by 5,298 caucus votes won by Obama);
    4. Pennsylvania (by 214,224 votes);
    5. West Virginia (by 147,551 votes);
    6. Indiana (by 14,195 votes);
    7. Kentucky (by 249,346 votes); and
    8. Puerto Rico (by 141,662 votes).

    Obama won 6 states with 465,613 total votes:

    1. North Carolina (by 222,859 votes);
    2. Oregon (by 108,458 votes);
    3. Mississippi (by 100,123 votes);
    4. Wyoming; (by 2,066 caucus votes);
    5. Guam (by 7 caucus votes) and
    6. Vermont (by 32,100 votes).

    The people have spoken. Too bad the DNC can’t take the votes that she won away from her like they did delegates in Michigan. For the Democratic “presumptive nominee” this is just pathetic.

    For links see: http://www.comealongway.blogspot.com/2008/06/hillary-won-puerto-rico-and-most-votes.html

  178. confloyd,

    “he was the 1st to post the Father’s tape wasn’t he?”

    Believe you’re correct. I mentioned it here right after seeing it at NQ, where it had just been posted; certainly hadn’t seen it anywhere else..

  179. Holy Smokes GeekLove!,

    I’d been wanting to see a breakdown like that; knew we were pushing alost 750k, but I didn’t know it was that close (659,512).

    Rather MASSIVE, do you not think?

  180. Blue Democrat: Yes the lead in popular votes after Rev. Wright, Bitter-gate, Sweetie-gate, etc. is amazing. Show that Obama had a good 6 week run, then people started to pay attention and look into his candidacy. The voters did not like what they say, the superdelegates however ignored and continues to ignore this. It’s “ground hog day” all over again.

  181. This is pretty good from TM;

    First, I hope Donna realizes that by restoring any Michigan delegates at all, she violated her own definition of “cheatin'”, though apparently when Clinton supporters appeal the rules it deserves righteous indignation and an invocation of her mother’s wisdom. But the 69/59 Michigan delegate proposal that she voted for actually went beyond her definition of “cheatin'”. In fact, I don’t know what the word for it is…other than “unfathomable”.

    Here, the rule book was simply tossed out, some new rules were quickly scribbled down, and a dangerous precedent was set. The statement from Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy said it best:

    We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

    The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

    When you change the rules…what’s that called, again, Donna?

    Sunday on CNN, Brazile made a strange offer: If it makes Clinton supporters happy, she’ll cast her superdelegate vote for Hillary at the convention to make up for the theft of the four Michigan delegates. It was an odd thing to say, but I guess the blowback from her actions at the RBC meeting is now impossible to ignore.

    There is a plus side to the Michigan disaster, however. Now that we know that the RBC can override voter preferences and award delegates to the candidate of their choice, it opens up some intriguing options. For instance, I would encourage the Clinton campaign to go back to the committee and argue that they should be awarded some of Obama’s delegates from Nebraska, Washington and Idaho because the caucuses in those states were not as inclusive as the non-binding primaries that occurred afterward. No exit poll information would be required for this reallocation, either…just certified votes.

    But really, the possibilities are endless. And going by the crazy new “roolz”, it’s only fair.

  182. GeekLove08,

    Are there any recent figures of her lead just among democrats?

    From the last 8 races or the whole shabang?

  183. Guest post by Scan

    Just how much of a joke was the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting Saturday? One need look no further than this quote from Donna Brazile, which may well go down in infamy:

    “My mama taught me… (dramatic pause)… to play by the rules and respect those rules. And my mother also taught me, and I’m sure your mother taught you… that when you decide change the rules… middle of the game, end of the game, that is referred to as cheatin’.”

    The rules, Donna?

    Let’s not forget that she already changed the rules in the middle of the game to strip Michigan of all its delegates (which was not called for), then on Saturday changed the rules at the end of the game to benefit the candidate of her choice (this time making up some crazy new rules to make it work).

    First, I hope Donna realizes that by restoring any Michigan delegates at all, she violated her own definition of “cheatin'”, though apparently when Clinton supporters appeal the rules it deserves righteous indignation and an invocation of her mother’s wisdom. But the 69/59 Michigan delegate proposal that she voted for actually went beyond her definition of “cheatin'”. In fact, I don’t know what the word for it is…other than “unfathomable”.

    Here, the rule book was simply tossed out, some new rules were quickly scribbled down, and a dangerous precedent was set. The statement from Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy said it best:

    We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

    The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

    When you change the rules…what’s that called, again, Donna?

    Sunday on CNN, Brazile made a strange offer: If it makes Clinton supporters happy, she’ll cast her superdelegate vote for Hillary at the convention to make up for the theft of the four Michigan delegates. It was an odd thing to say, but I guess the blowback from her actions at the RBC meeting is now impossible to ignore.

    There is a plus side to the Michigan disaster, however. Now that we know that the RBC can override voter preferences and award delegates to the candidate of their choice, it opens up some intriguing options. For instance, I would encourage the Clinton campaign to go back to the committee and argue that they should be awarded some of Obama’s delegates from Nebraska, Washington and Idaho because the caucuses in those states were not as inclusive as the non-binding primaries that occurred afterward. No exit poll information would be required for this reallocation, either…just certified votes.

    But really, the possibilities are endless. And going by the crazy new “roolz”, it’s only fair.

  184. So am I right that BO has gotten trounced in 3 of the last 4 primaries by something like 30+%, 40+% (he won OR by around 12?%), and lost today by over 30%?

  185. “Are you talking about the lead in “closed primaries”?”

    I am. I thought there were only estimates for some of them based on exit polling, and haven’t seen an guesstimate since…. U Got one?

  186. Donna Brazille, Yuk she is about as honest as 3x loser in prison. She sat there and called Hillary a cheater, then proceeded to cheat Hillary out of 4 delegates. She gives new meaning to twisted sister!

  187. Great analysis Paddy – Now I feel better!! I am going to make my $44.44 contribution now.

  188. According to some posters on hillaryclintonforum.net, Michigan may be a blessing in disguise. The RNC basically just handed Hillary a legitimate reason to stay in the race and keep going through to Denver. Anyhow, it’s something to think about. But I can’t type anymore and I’m going to bed. Goodnight, all! And on behalf of my fellow Michiganders, thank you for your support.

  189. Jeez, you’re really running on fumes when you have to reissue statements word-for-word in the hopes it’ll just go away.
    HOW LAME.

    From ABC (Jake Tapper)
    Rev. Pfleger: “America is the Greatest Sin Against God”

    June 01, 2008 10:46 PM

    In another excerpt from Rev. Michael Pfleger’s sermon last Sunday, May 25, from the pulpit of Sen. Barack Obama’s now former church, Trinity United Church of Christ on the South side of Chicago, the longtime Obama associate condemns America for racism in fairly harsh terms.

    Watch HERE.

    “Racism is still America’s greatest addiction,” Pfleger says. “I also believe that America is the greatest sin against God.”

    There seems to be a mixed reaction to that from the pews. But Pfleger explains:

    “If the greatest command is to love, than the sin against love must be the greatest sin against God who IS love and who calls us to love one another. So that this greatest sin against God, racism, it’s as natural as the air we breath.”

    Obama, of course, resigned from Trinity on Friday, saying he didn’t want to be held accountable for every word spoken from the pulpit at the church, and he didn’t want the church to continue to have the media disrupting its worship. The last straw may have been Pfleger’s mocking of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, from the pulpit in this same sermon.

    But Obama’s relationship with Pfleger — who is the priest at a different, Catholic, church — spans decades.

    In September, the Obama campaign brought Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign. Pfleger has given money to Obama’s campaigns and Obama as a state legislator directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina’s, according to the Chicago Tribune. Pfleger appears to have been scrubbed from the Obama campaign’s page that features the testimony of faith leaders, but you can see the cached version HERE.

    – jpt

    UPDATE: Asked for a response to this newly-posted excerpt from the sermon, the Obama campaign has re-released the same statement it issued last week after the video of Rev Pfleger’s mocking of Sen. Clinton was released: “As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.” – Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

  190. CNN:

    At a campaign stop in Mitchell, South Dakota, Obama congratulated Clinton for her win Sunday and praised her for being an “outstanding public servant.”

    “She is going to be a great asset when we go into November to make sure that we defeat the Republicans,” he said.
    &&&&&

    Reading between the lines, with some Ickes-esque “saltiness” thrown in for dramatic effect:

    “After I get done stealing this nomination from her, this bitch is stupid enough to try to help me.”

    &&&
    Dude, for your information, she’s kicking your ass week in and week out, despite CNN, “The most Distrusted name in (ahem) News” laying out what they call “facts”, that he is literally “three inches from the finish line”.

    *****
    Here’s what Hillary needs to say shortly:

    We have read the rules, and super delegate votes aren’t officially registered until the convention, and they are free to alter their choices until then. So the only CONCRETE delegate vote to go on, given DNC rules, are the hard “won” pledged delegates, not SDs who have pledged to a candidate. We have SDs who have already switched whom they have pledged for. As of June 1st, the totals according to CNN are:

    Barack Obama
    Pledged:
    1,741
    Superdelegates
    329
    Total:
    2,070

    Hillary Clinton
    Pledged:
    1,624
    Superdelegates
    291
    Total:
    1,915

    So Obama, just like I, am a few hundred delegates away from clinching the nomination before the convention.

    Any attempt by my worthy opponent to claim “victory” is therefore premature.

    There is ample precident for candidates in recent history, by both Republicans and Democrats, of taking their campaigns to the convention whenever it is close:

    * 1968
    * 1972 (McGovern / Humphrey)
    * 1976 (Reagan / Ford)
    * 1980 (Carter / Kennedy)
    * 1984 (Mondale / Hart)
    etc.

    Especially note Humphrey in 1972 winning the popular vote, while McGovern won on delegates. George McGovern suffered a landslide loss despite real questions about Nixon’s administration.

    I hope the super delegates will take into consideration the fuller picture, and not just listen to CNN statistics-citing commentators, statistics which are deliberately skewed.

    The intentional addition of SDs at this point in the race to portray Obama the “apparent victor” do a disservice to our public’s participaiton in the voting process. Earlier, back in January, the press espoused Obama’s position that the SDs needed to put in a separate category, to help with the perception that he was closer. Now, he wants SDs mixed in, to help put him “over the top”. And CNN and the media again oblige his preferred viewpoint of the race.

    But the voters somehow have been immuned to CNN’s charms. Maybe they don’t watch them. Maybe they just pay attention to the issues that matter to them.

    We look forward to the next phase of the campaign. We look forward to competing in SD and MT. We are ready to take our case to higher bodies regarding the misallocation of votes in Michigan. And we look forward to Denver.

    I will not bow to pressure from the media, from my Democratic opponent, or a Republican opponent. I will listen to the nearly 18 million voters who enthusiastically demand that I carry on.

    This is not about me. This is for my supporters. And more largely, about what is good and right for the Democratic party. And finally, what is best for our beloved country.

  191. Funny that he talks about God being love when he is relating it to white on black racism, but completely leaves God out when acting out black on white racism. I wonder if God knows the difference, I bet he does. Hate is hate any way you look at it dear Father Pfelger!

  192. BlueDem: can you see a pattern here?

    NYT (2/24/08): Clinton Soldiering On, But Somber As The Horizon Darkens

    (NB. this was before her wins in the following)

    1. Ohio (by 228,781 votes) ;
    2. Rhode Island (by 33,635 votes);
    3. Texas (by 95,731 votes, reduced by 5,298 caucus votes won by Obama);
    4. Pennsylvania (by 214,224 votes);
    5. West Virginia (by 147,551 votes);
    6. Indiana (by 14,195 votes);
    7. Kentucky (by 249,346 votes); and
    8. Puerto Rico (by 141,662 votes).

    NYT: (5/2/08): Winning Again, Clinton Ponders Continuing

    Question: if you had a lawyer, a doctor, a banker, a broker, an investment couselour, a teacher, a grocery, or a friend who gave you bad advice every time would there come a point when you might stop listening to him, and if he persisted you might even call in the boys in the white jackets.

    Now if that is so, then why in the hell do we pay any attention to these pundits. Take Matthews for examples. He lives in Chevey Chase (nice digs), pulls down a cool 5 million per year and when was the last time he was right on any sort of prediction? Or that little squirt Chuck Todd the final judge of small matters. I would just as soon get my political advice from a baboon who is paid to flip coins when it comes to prognosticating.

    Granted there are a few people who are worth listening to like Buchanan, or Eric Sevaraid in the old days but they are few and far between.

  193. admin,

    This is getting juicy. Per townhall (can’t put out link), GOP senator Spencer is seriously considering calling hearings on MI/FL democratic primary situations!! In other word, Republicans are going to defend voting rights on behalf of democratic primary voters ! Shame on DNC…

    As we reported last week, Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), the former chairman and now ranking minority member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is seriously evaluating whether he should call for Congressional hearings. We know that the Senator’s political brain trust was working around the clock to analyze a response to the DNC decision. Although having no direct confirmation, we would expect Florida Governor Charles Crist and Michigan Attorney General Michael Cox, among others, were waiting for the Democrats to cast their decision into stone before considering whether they should seek judicial intervention as per Specter’s brainstorming.

    Specter, probably one of the most legally astute of GOP Senators, contends the DNC is violating one of the most fundamental of all constitutional rules, that once a vote is cast it must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”

  194. If there’s ever been a standard operating procedure for Bill and Hillary Clinton, politically, it’s that when you have the momentum in the polls, you do not let up. And she’s had momentum with voters for 2 months now, and it’s growing stronger by the day.

  195. Kostner…………that is wonderful news!!!

    Thank you!!! I sure hope they go for it! the DNC needs to be “checked & Balanced”

  196. Sunday on CNN, Brazile made a strange offer: If it makes Clinton supporters happy, she’ll cast her superdelegate vote for Hillary at the convention to make up for the theft of the four Michigan delegates. It was an odd thing to say, but I guess the blowback from her actions at the RBC meeting is now impossible to ignore.
    ————————————————
    Are we absolutely sure she has both oars in the water? History will show that she used her non-partisan position at the DNC for purely partisan ends and now that the finale is near she hopes to wash it all away by casting a vote for Hillary. To me that is strong evidence of a guilty mind.

    If I rob a bank of $10,000 and the authorities start getting suspcious can I evade responsiblity by returning $100? Give me a break. When the committee sham was being perpetrated I can recall one of the bloggers here saying that she was grinning (like a possum eating shit out of a hairbrush–my words). She made a Faustian pact let her live with it.

    Others may feel different but that is my take. In the end I still believe Hillary will win but as that becomes more likely you can count on Brazille to develop an acute case of amnesia.

  197. I read that it was a great gift, the DNC just gave Clinton a reason to keep on. Taking away her 4 delegates gives her the right to stay on at least until the credential committee meets the end of July or 1st of August! She got the finish line moved up and more chance to beat him at the popular vote! I believe she is going to out fox the foxes! LOL!!

  198. Specter, probably one of the most legally astute of GOP Senators, contends the DNC is violating one of the most fundamental of all constitutional rules, that once a vote is cast it must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”
    ———————————————-
    Yup that is the right line of cases. Wonder what that great legal mind Wexler would say about this. Let me turn my hearing aid off first or he will blow out my eardrums.

  199. Hey All – I am a regular poster on TM, but the trolls have invaded there, and the back and forth between TM Hillary supporters who cannot help but engage them, is making some threads seem like Huffpost. Taylor is also making some requests which seem odd given that we’ve used these for months, ie. not emphasizing BO’s middle name, Hussein, and if using anagram, BO and not BHO. TM is credentialed by the DNC, and my theory is they’re pressuring her, or lose her credentials, and likely, if she’s trying to get on Air America, similar pressures.

    Well – see you all tomorrow morning to find out what NoQuarter has in store at 9am – the June surprise re: Michelle Obama’s whitey tape.

  200. Wexler was very combative and looked like an ahole, which he probably is. I like the other senator myself, he looked very sweet, but looked like you better not mess with him cause he would become unwound!

  201. I read that it was a great gift, the DNC just gave Clinton a reason to keep on. Taking away her 4 delegates gives her the right to stay on at least until the credential committee meets the end of July or 1st of August! She got the finish line moved up and more chance to beat him at the popular vote! I believe she is going to out fox the foxes! LOL!!
    ———————————————–
    As you may recall Harold Ickes was all over this one in the hearing. The best part of taking this one to court would be the ability to depose Brazille. Perhaps she could offer to cast two votes for Hillary since she has no problem making up the rules as they go along.

  202. Wexler was very combative and looked like an ahole, which he probably is. I like the other senator myself, he looked very sweet, but looked like you better not mess with him cause he would become unwound!
    ———————————————–
    Yup he is all of the above. He survives because he has a safe district. Heard some funny stories but they are not repeatable. Actually he is a real nice guy but has a terrible case of stage fright.

  203. Yes, I bet they are presuring her to make people quit saying the truth about Obama, although I doubt that limiting one’s free speech is the way DNC should go, since they have already broken the rule of law on voting rights. Now they want to stop free speech as well as manipulate voters rights. Way to go Coward Dean! Keep going and we will for sure know what kind of government you elites want to impose!

  204. Yes Confloyd – the Obama people are insidious about this. The way it’s done I’m sure is that they know Taylor is pro-Hillary and therefore, what they’ll say is, well since you’re connected to Hillary’s campaign (Taylor is on their media calls), your posters’ behavior reflects on Hillary and how she’s dividing the party and emphasizing his Muslim ties.

    Basically, they use the “this reflects poorly on Hillary” as blackmail.

  205. Confloyd: it is just a nervous reaction, his way of telling everyone how much he loves them.

  206. here’s one as i head off to bed (good night everyone see ya tomorrow to continue the good fight!)

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/obama-we-are-smarter-we-follow-the-money-and-it-links-you-to-bill-ayers-in-the-1980s/#more-2865

    Obama, We Are Smarter; We Follow the Money, and It Links You to Bill Ayers in the 1980s

    READ THIS ARTICLE>>> it’s a bit long but well worth the read!!!

  207. I have had the same sense that Taylor is being pulled in more than one direction. This became evident to me during the past 30 days. She has been more critical of Hillary on certain issues than I would have been, and said some things on her radio show which some of us questioned.

    One thing she will do is support the democratic nominee regadless of who it is, whereas most of us would not do that. At some point I will delete her site from my web page but as long as Hillary hangs in there I will not do that. Other than the trolls her bloggers are as strongly pro- Hillary as we are on this site and some of them are brilliant.

  208. djia, I just finished reading it, apparently there is going to something or someone who is figuring out why Obama chose Chicago!
    My personal opinion and I have nothing to base it on, its just a hunch. I wonder in the old man Ayers knew Frank Davis?
    If he did maybe they decided Obama could be molded they way they wanted!

  209. confloyd Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 3:04 am

    djia, I just finished reading it, apparently there is going to something or someone who is figuring out why Obama chose Chicago!

    =============================

    Obama’s own claims about why he chose Chicago can be found in some long profile interviews linked from http://www.ironmyvote.com — scroll down a little ways.

  210. Yep, as he banged his fist on the desk he said no one has fought harder for voting rights than himself. I wonder if he meant he had and will always be for voting rights? He sure did not care about voting rights with the almighty dollar was waved in his face. Suddenly, he could care less about voting rights.
    The one person on the entire panel,that stood out, was Harold Iskes, I at that time I did not know he lost a kidney for his cause. I would like to replay that afternoon, and let Harold bang his fist on the desk and tell Wexler when you lose a kidney, then you can talk, until then STFU!

  211. wbboei,

    I didn’t know you had a website! Where is it?

    As for Taylor, sometimes she seems to soften on her ‘support the Democrat’, or at least sound a little wistful. She recently told someone that she’s in the minority on her own blog now.

    I haven’t yet tried to persuade her that the best way to defeat McCain in November is to defeat Obama now!

  212. If you’re a Clinton fan, the last 72 hours have left you positively ecstatic. We got a great deal on Florida and the Michigan fiasco tees us up perfectly for continuing to Denver; we got another crushing win in Puerto Rico, where Obama again vigorously campaigned and was blown out regardless; Father Pfleger’s rant forced Obama to finally quit his own church, which is a decision that comes 20 years too late and only serves to emphasize Obama’s horrible lack of judgment and bizarre spirituality; and now Specter may start investigations?

    Thank you God.

  213. rgb44hrc: very good description of what Hillary should say to counter bambis vapid bullshit and tell people what the situarion really is.

  214. Berkley: nice summary. I will sleep soundly tonight knowing that and dreaming about Hillary’s inauguration in 2009 which will happen. As for Obama the caption reads apres michelle le deluge.

  215. Well, I guess I will go to bed, stayed up hoping to get the first site of the no quarter breaking news, but I guess it will be put out closer to the morning. I do think they are leading up to it because of the last two posts are about his background with his church and his early associations with Ayers!
    Looking forward to the news, whatever it might be!

  216. turndownobama

    I meant home page. Sorry.

    From what I can tell Taylor is loyal to the democratic party because of its opposition to the Iraq War and her respect for Jim Webb.

    On the other hand she is a patriot and certainly sees the how problematic it could be for the county if he became president.

    Hell, we do, the military does, Mossaud does, objective journalists do-the shortcomings are obvious. If he can part the waters of the Red Sea I might change my mind.

    So I dont know where the ball would come to rest with her if he were to become the nominee. I rather suspect McCain would be a tough sell but so would obmama. At this point it is an imponderable.

    If Hillary becomes the nominee then we will never have to face that issue, because we will be together all the way through to her inauguration.

  217. confloyd you are a trooper. Let us hope that dawn brings more of the unvarnished truth about obambi. He has kept us in suspense for too long. Time for the “Audacity of Hate”, Act 23.

  218. I was thinking of bambi’s latest comment that Hillary will be a great help to him, etc. and it called to mind Pope’s Essay On Pride:

    “Of all the causes which conspire to blind
    Man’s erring judgment and misguide the mind
    What the weak head with strongest bias rules
    Is pride the never failing vice of fools”.

  219. The so called rant of MO may mean nothing just silly stuff:

    I found this on myDD:

    mydd.com/story/2008/6/2/1557/65224

  220. msm will explain it away. i dont see even if some tape surfaces it hanges anything for us

  221. T4H, I think some in MSM would drop him and support McCain if BO is the nominee and they get into GE mode. I think for many it is the Clinton hatred that is driving them to BO. They want to prevent her and may not care for him much after she is out. There would always be people like KO but you can see WAPO leaning to McCain.

  222. God, my partner just put on a Joan Baez album while i was sleeping, i was only stirring and i thought someone had dropped me into the middle of an Obama rally that I nearly screamed.

  223. The media is already turning against McCain. He will suffer no kinder fate than Hillary.

    Cheer up! Let’s say it again for the world to hear:

    The Media does not decide the winner
    Either of the candidates can not decide the winner
    The DNC does not decide the winner
    The Party elites do not decide the winner

    So the question of the day then is:

    Who decides the winner?

    Read the rules. The delegates in Denver. They and nobody else.

    Unless one of the candidates drops out, this thing goes to the convention.

  224. exactly thats why he got a slap for giving me nightmares, i told him to get that hippy happyclappy shit off and bin it.

  225. paddy4Hill, The SD do not vote till the convention the MSM count down majic number makes no sense!

  226. Two things Hillary absolutely MUST DO this week:

    1. Drop out

    2. Decide whether or not she wants VP spot

    I know this because the all-wise pundits say so.

    It will be interesting to see what she really does.

  227. clintondem, the media is trying to fix the fight. It matters not (other than for perception’s sake which unfortunately does have a value), unless it creates a pressure situation that Hillary’s supporters feel they can not fight no longer against. This is a game of chicken. A battle of the wills. If we do not flinch and hang on, don’t despair, we can take this to Denver. With our support and that of her SDs, we can battle on until the convention. Something will happen to derail Obama before we get there. He fears this the most.

  228. paddy4hill

    Early you did a great analysis on what happen Saturday. I copied it and sent it to a few relatives and friends. I just wanted you to know they were highly complimentary of what you had written.

  229. Apparently the reason why noquarter said 9am today is because they were asked to honour an embargo until then, so everything could be in position.

    This is sounding like a co-ordinated strike folks.

  230. Thanks NewMexicoFan. I just felt the media’s version of events at the OK corral did not do justice to the Clinton team’s brilliant moves. Classic guerilla warfare is being waged. She has fewer (hired) guns but smarter generals and more motivated troops.

    That is how Mao took China against all the odds.

    Clintondem, don’t give in to the great media scam. Until she says uncle (aunt), let’s not speculate on things that may or may not come about. Keep fighting instead. You will feel better and more empowered too. Take action while we still can. Donate. Let Hillary know we are still with her.

  231. moononpluto, So they were asked to hold it up for a while?
    Well I guess I would like to know if that EST,CSTor and I hope not PST. I am ready to see the show. I am beginning to wonder if I have lost my mind,afterall waiting for someone’s demise is not really me, but this idiot has pist the hell out of me. So bring it on Larry!

  232. well thats what i heard, i have no idea whats going on but it makes sense that Larry was allowed to see the “tape” in exchange for saying nothing until the time specified.

  233. From NQ;

    I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame. It will be right up there with the little girl plucking daisy petals in the famous 1964 ad LBJ used against Barry Goldwater.

    Barack may have quit his church but his religious problems are not over. Barack Obama has a Nation of Islam problem that will receive more attention in the coming days. Before Barack came on the scene, THE MAN in his political district was Louis Farrakhan. No one could take Alice Palmer’s seat without Farrakhan’s blessing. No one. I do not fault Barack Obama for seeking out the blessing of Farrakhan, but the story of what was done behind the scenes to get rid of Barack’s predecessor—Alice Palmer—has not been told. A knowledgeable source tells me that Tony Rezko played a direct role in this feat. And Rezko has been tight with Farrakhan.

    It also should come as no surprise that Barack hired two members of the Nation of Islam to work on his staff—Jennifer Mason and Cynthia K. Miller. (And no, I am not merely recycling info initially reported by Debbie Schlussel. I have two independent Chicago sources for this info.) If Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger had kept their yaps buttoned none of this would mean much. But the fact that both men have been—until scrubbed from the website in recent weeks—listed as spiritual advisors to Barack Obama and also are very close to Louis Farrakhan, forces the question about Barack’s faith and beliefs.

    In probing those matters we begin to understand that the Nation of Islam has been a critical component of Barack Obama’s base of support. And, I am told, Louis Farrakhan has been careful to use Tony Rezko as the intermediary in his relationship with Barack. This is not guilt by association, this is guilt because of actual relationship. Farrakhan, Wright, and Pfleger are each on tape in various settings spewing the most vile racists garbage in the guise of preaching. Barack Obama, up to this point, has tried to pretend he had no idea that these men had these thoughts or said these things.

    NONSENSE!! He knew and he knows. And the gig will be up when the Michelle tape hits the airwaves. One source described how this tape was acquired. Let’s just say that one of the republican candidates who is no longer in the race, but had a dandy oppo research capability, uncovered this gem. If Republican poohbahs have their way the tape will remain on ice until October. But when it comes out, Barack will be permanently branded with the Nation of Islam. That’s not a winning platform in November. And Barack’s bundlers understand this threat. I also have learned some major financial backers are asking the Barack team about the tape and are being stonewalled. It is a wild card in the political campaign that has not yet played out.

  234. All that needs to be done at this point is to ask Obama if this tape does or does not exist for the record. If he says yes, he is politically dead. If he goes on record to say it does not and it appears later, he is also finished.

    If this tape is fact and not fiction, and if it is out there, he is a goner.

    Checkmate.

  235. well, it will definitely bring him down from his perch. Sounds like this tape will show the connection we all knew a long time ago,and that he is in deep with the muslims!

  236. I agree with paddy4hill, He is gone, the public will be scared off with the muslim connection!
    Carbomb in Pakistan by the Danish embassy! The leftist of this party believe we have nothing to worry about Terrorism.

  237. How much more of a rock need to fall on the SDs heads before they start doing what is right instead if what they have negotited behind the backs of the voters.

    If we have to report and track our donations; they should have to record and tract their deals and the donations made to their campaigns by BHO and HRC. These donations seem to have more impact than ours in this election.

  238. Come on, a potential first lady calling about 70% of the US population the equivalent of the “N” word! This is not his pastor or associates. Well, he wants the White House pretty darn bad. He threw his grandmother under the bus, divorced his church, maybe he will also divorce his wife.

  239. paddy, I was wonder if he would do that to her. He has obvious thrown everyone else there. I wonder what his Church thinks of him now.

  240. I wish him well too. He devoted his life to the country. Too bad he was foolish enough to get involved in a Party civil war at the end of his career.

  241. When Larry Johnson says the following:”I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape”

    This bothers me, that he the heard this 3rd hand, not saying he is not telling the truth, however, for my taste I wish he could have heard it 2nd hand, information can get lost/changed in translations.

  242. Also I read yesterday that ABC and FOX possibly has this tape, I can’nt imagination them sitting on it till the November election! I am hoping that something comes out today or tomorrow!

  243. It would certainly say what kind of person he his. I hope his family would come first. But now we know this is actually how his family thinks about his white fellow citizens. Sad. But I always leave room for people to reform their lives and maybe later he can reflect on the damage he has done to race relations and feel genuine sorrow. I hope so. And his wife too.

    But he has not repented to date and someone with these opinions should serve as President. This should be so obvious.

  244. In addition, if these turn out to be the words utter, it comes on the heels of I am finally proud of my country quote.

    Oh that is right, we are not suppose to pick on his wife.

  245. should read:

    But he has not repented to date and someone with these opinions should not serve as President. This should be so obvious.

    I am certain the Obama crowd got so excited when they read the original. Maybe they thought i had converted and gone over to the other side.

  246. I think I already posted that Chelsea was here on Friday. What a composed young lady. She had people asking her if she wanted to be President followng her Mother. She said two things about her parents.

    1. There were very few nights that she was ever without her parents presents. They made a point of being there for her

    2. She always knew she was number 1.

    You hear all this crap about Hillary. Chelsea in my esitmations is a credit to both of them. I was not so knowlegeable or composed at 28. She does not have this ego either. I also think I shared when someone got up to ask questions, and was upset because he had lost 1/2 of his friend to suicide, he felt as thought no one was listening. He was quite emotion, and probably justified. Chelsea looked him in the eye, and she quietly said, I can assure you that my Mother is Listening, and she hears you. She handled the situation extremly well and with a wisdom beyond her age.

    HRC knows not only how to direct this nation, but how to raise intelligent caring children. WHY WOULD WE WANT ANYONE ELSE LEADING THIS NATION.

  247. Rumored Transcript of Michelle Obama “whitey” Video: “Once again the white man keeps us down, what’s up with whitey?”
    June 2nd, 2008 · No Comments
    This is pure rumor:

    Reported verbiage from Michelle Obama’s tape

    Michelle Obama, “Once again, the white man keeps us down, what’s up with Whitey, Why’d he attack Iraq, Why’d he let Katrina happen, Why’d he leave millions of children behind. This is the legacy the white man gives us.”

    Again the above is an alleged quote from a rumored video featuring Michelle Obama.

    http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=889

  248. These tapes are powerful, but, only powerful if they are played before Denver, otherwise it does Hillary no good!

  249. The rumor could do him more damage than the real thing if this picks up a life of its own. People love suspense, mystery and intrigue. It sells at the newsstands. His camp knows this and is waiting to see if it picks up steam. It seems to be doing so.

    If it did not exist, they would have already denied it. So it must. They were hoping it would just fade away or come too late to save Hillary. If it came from the GOP, they could claim switfboating. But now it is just “out there”.

    Our job is to spread this thing loud and clear. We are not doing any wrong. If it is false, Ok Obama, just come out and inform us as such. We will cease and desist. That is unless it does come out after you have denied its authenticity.

    If it is reality, we are doing our country a great service. This pair should not be in the White House.

    We are in a win-win situation it seems.

    Chess anyone?

  250. Sherm: there is a third thing Hillary should not do in my opinion and that is suspend her campaign, as our friend craig crawford mentioned as an option the other day. The reason I say that is because the media will spin it as conceding. One blogger on another site made this comment and given the known bias of the media I am inclined to agree with it.

    I think the Larry Johnson revealation this morning provides more reason than ever to stay in the race. I begin to wonder whether certain journalists are not aware of that connection as well when they protect him, like perhaps Clarence Page and Eugene Robinson.

    If I were a superdelegate and this revealation came across my desk I would not allow Pelosi and Hoyer to bamboozle me into supporting him. If they pushed me to declare right how I would vote for Hillary, wait to see what happened at that point and then make my final decision based on what we knew in August. If I declared now and he was later proven to be the Manchurian Candidate for the nation of Islam I rather suspect that my republican opponent would not let that one die in the general election. To repeat the safe bet for superdelegage if pressed by Pelosoi is to vote for Hillary now and see what develops.

  251. not sure what to think of this diary http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

    take it for what its worth…….I believe it is written by a BO supporter
    but this person who is rebutting what larry johnson at noquarter has written, manages to also give us more
    information on this “whitie tape”
    I can’t help but ask these questions if you have not seen this video yourself and your accusing LJ of propaganda

    how did you get that much information on what was said on the tape?
    how are you so sure that is how it was said or not said?

    This will be very interesting watching this story unfold around the internet indeed!

  252. dija, you and i both know they know this tape exists and are trying to do damage to it now before it comes out so as his supporters back him up. Thats why, Obama’s lot are trying to get ahead of it and plant seeds before it comes out, so it must be as bad as it says.

  253. Suddenly, vague and wistfull statement like a new kind of politics and unity and we are the ones we have been waiting for begin to acquire context, content and meaning. Bots will dig in and say it taint so, and everyone deserves a second chaunce except Hillary supporters, media whores will pass the koolaid around and say we have just got to keep tallking and ride this thing out and people with common sense will say no mas Obama. And best of all Maria Shriver will stop leading audiences in chants of we are the ones who we have been waiting for.

  254. I don’t believe the release of this tape for the time being will necessarily bump Obama out. His eggheads and spineless super will give him the nominee if Michelle is calling for killing the whitey… These people are simply traitors and wimps.

    The only way to change this race is if bamba’s support completely collapse vs. McCain in July/Aug. Let’s see if he’s polling constantly 5-10 points behind McCain. Only this scenario happens, the Super will have the guts to ditch him. Right now, he’s polling even with McCain, the spineless Super won’t dare to ditch him even they know Hillary is a sure bet on winning in Nov.

    So our strategy is to damage bamba as much as possible, hopefully his support will collapse.

  255. Hi All, Just found this on Politico.

    The final primaries are Tuesday in Montana and South Dakota, where Democratic Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois campaigned during the weekend.

    “Meanwhile, members of Clinton’s advance staff received calls and e-mails from headquarters, asking them to be in New York Tuesday night, and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending, two Clinton aides told the Politico.com. Senior aides from Clinton’s campaign did not comment.”

    Guess we’ll have to wait until Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. I’m with Hillary all the way.

    TRUE??????????????????????????????????? I hope not.

  256. yes we do moon!

    I believe this tape exists…. I think it will come out before denver, too many hints of it on MSM for it to be held back now.

    but we’ll see i guess.

  257. “The only way to change this race is if bamba’s support completely collapse vs. McCain in July/Aug. Let’s see if he’s polling constantly 5-10 points behind McCain. Only this scenario happens, the Super will have the guts to ditch him. Right now, he’s polling even with McCain, the spineless Super won’t dare to ditch him even they know Hillary is a sure bet on winning in Nov.”

    Time is on our side.

    We are going to Denver. Just wait and see.

  258. They grade these brain tumors 1, 2, 3, 4 with 4 being the most lethal. The technical term is astrocytoma. They are uniformly fatal. I seem to recall Kennedy is in the 3 to 4 range. The likely prognosis is 3 years max. They will remove the tumor through surgery, but they never get it all. They apply radiation up to the maximum the body can absorb and then they can never do it again. Then its chemothraphy which is rough. Then a rehabilitation period where the patient tries to regain speech, motor skillls etc. It is the saddest thing you will ever see if it is a parent or loved one. Sad too if it is a stranger. If that is what Kenney has to look forward to Confloyd I can understand why you are sympathetic for him.

  259. “Meanwhile, members of Clinton’s advance staff received calls and e-mails from headquarters, asking them to be in New York Tuesday night, and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending, two Clinton aides told the Politico.com. Senior aides from Clinton’s campaign did not comment.”

    This makes lots of sense. She needs to cut her expenses immediately after the last contests to conserve her funds for the next few months. I would do the same.

  260. Louisiana Democratic Party Chair and Automatic Delegate Chris Whittington Endorses Hillary
    Louisiana Democratic State Party Chair and automatic delegate Chris Whittington announced his support for Hillary Clinton today.

    “Hillary Clinton has what it takes to turn around our economy and rebuild the middle class,” Whittington said. “There is no question that she is the strongest Democrat to go toe-to-toe with John McCain in a general election. It is our responsibility as automatic delegates to choose the candidate we believe best fit to beat Senator McCain. That candidate is Senator Clinton.”

    Whittington was elected Chairman of the Louisiana Democratic Party in January 2006, after serving as the Party’s Legal Counsel, as a member of the Democratic State Central Committee and as a member of the Democratic Party Executive Committee.

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  261. Birdgal> it most certainly is. When we went through this ordeal I mentioned to another doctor that the prognosis was two years. That doctor told me that when you are 76 years old 2 years is a long time. In that sense everything is relative I guess even mortality.

  262. Louisiana Democratic Party Chair and Automatic Delegate Chris Whittington Endorses Hillary
    ———————————————–
    Excellent news.

  263. Chris Whittington gets it. It aint about who has gotten the most pledged delegates by gaming the caucuses and voter fraud in Gary etc. It is about meeting McCain–that is the criterion. His words are worth quoting:

    “It is our responsibility as automatic delegates to choose the candidate we believe best fit to beat Senator McCain. That candidate is Senator Clinton.”

  264. Confloyd at 3:17 AM re: Bob Wexler…

    Yes, according to Bob Wexler, ‘he was for voting rights before he was against them…’

  265. “their roles on the campaign are ending”
    ———————————————–
    Paddy4Hill: I agree this is what she should be doing as the campaign enters a new phase. Let msm and bambi misinterpet what she is saying, we know what it means. There is a world of difference between saying that the campaign is ending and certain roles in the campaign are ending since the primaries are over. Sorry for pontificating the obvoius, but it tends to get lost in all the msm spin and bullshit.

  266. oh this delegate today from Louisiana is a switch from Obama to Clinton and the bots on DU are furious.

  267. # Paula Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    I also didn’t realize McGovern lost the popular vote in ‘72. Yikes, the parallels between his and Waffles’ campaigns are uncanny.
    &&&&

    # mollyjrichards Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Yeah, Paula, he (McGovern) did the pack the caucus strategy.
    &&&&&

    Well, there ya go. Elitist candidate with rabid core cadre takes over caucuses to run up the delegate total. Mainstream alternative wins popular vote. Party too timid to challenge their own poor construct for picking a candidate, marches blindly forward like Tories in a line marching into sniper fire from the woods. 49 state blow out.

    Can’t wait.

  268. wbboei

    I don’t think so, he specifically spoke about the “whitey” tape talked about on noquarter and larry johnson

  269. # curiosityhasme Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    What does it say about a society that has power brokers choosing the President of the United States in rigged elections in two of the past three Presidential election cycles?
    &&&&

    Welcome to America, Home of the (ahem) “Free”.

    Human rights, count every vote, yadda yadda yadda.

  270. I recommend everyone call and leave a message of thanks with the secretary at the Louisiana Democratic Party.

  271. How is it going in Montana. You know what they say the first and the last are remembered. Would be nice if it was a win for Hillary.

  272. hello all.

    I hope the MO tape comes out today…given the news cycle, since tomorrow will be primary coverage and that Bill Clinton smear article in Vanity Fair, and Wednesday will be important announcements from the campaigns etc. Today would be optimal!

  273. this is interesting from a TM post:

    Some Findings:

    34.5 million people have voted
    The 37 primary states account for 97% of the vote.
    The 13 caucus states account for 3% of the vote.
    Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses. [More…]

    Lets get this out!!!
    doda | 06.02.2008 – 12:32 pm | #

  274. The figures above make a compelling case as to who really has won this contest. The media, much as they enabled Bush to attack Iraq, has enabled Obama to steal this election. I have never been more ashamed of my party than this past weekend as they gave someone delegates who was not on the ballot and took away delegates from the winner. The DNC will rue the day they discarded Bill and Hillary Clinton. I am made as hell and can’t even express the anger I feel.

  275. Just called Louisiana.

    226 336 4155

    I told them I was Hillary supporter, and I humbly thanked him for his courage.

    They asked only where I was from.

  276. ok, all – not sure if this is happening or not, but I’ll be Tivo’ing this one.

    I saw this on a blog: On Fox, Neil Cavuto, Monday, June 2, 2008, 4pm has an “explosive” bomb to release on Obama.

    I’ll be phone banking at HIllary’s at 4 pm. Could someone please watch and report back?

    Thanks!

    IndyRobin | 06.02.2008 – 12:35 pm | #

  277. rush is playing the audio of our favorite Manhattan NYC hillary supporter Harriet Christian who got thrown out of the RBC meeting 😀

  278. NewMexicoFan – I had called Mayor Nutter’s office too when PA was happening, and they were also interested in where I was calling from. I still have this Thank You card I was going to send to him…perhaps will be sending it on to Louisiana.

  279. Tell me why I should not be disappointed with Larry Johnson and the “bombshell” today. I thought it would be more specific than what he had, or did I read in too much from his message yesterday? His sources are not direct, however the information comes from a third parties, which makes me a little nervous.

  280. JAS – others are talking about this tape; people were discussing it on Fox – specifically Roger Stone.

  281. CountTheVote: Thanks for your feedback! Do we think that this information will get out before the convention in Denver? God knows it will help!!

  282. I don’t know – although someone on TM spotted in a blog that Neil Cavuto on Fox might be showing it today at 4pm today (not sure if ET or PT)

  283. Great news according to ARG poll:

    Montana
    Democrats May 31-June 1

    Clinton 44%
    Obama 48%
    Undecided 8%

    South Dakota
    Democrats May 31-June 1

    Clinton 60%
    Obama 34%
    Undecided 6%

  284. The way I understand advanced staff is, the group they send in before the election or primary. We had an advanced staff of about 4 here. Then it bloom and wained.

    She has no need at this point for advanced staff.

  285. those polls numbers are very good for hillary!! let’s all remember they over poll obama

    so i am sure its much better for hillary that that.

  286. This is a post for SD and SD trolls. If your Candidate is going to beat McCain, why is he doing so poorly against a candidate that O and the Media says is dead? Do you think it gets any easier against the Reps? When are you going to see through the excuses (I can not be expected to appeal to those people in small towns). Isn’t that was a superior Candidate does? They convince the people that don’t like them to give them a chance (Clinton improved her % 10% in NC Obama country). You need to face it. Charming the charmed does not hack it in the GE. Charming the uncharmed does, and he can not do that. Can you imagine how Senator Clinton would be doing if you were in her corner. So truely think about the corner you want to stand in.

    I stand in Senator Clinton’s corner, because I know she stand with me and this nation.

  287. # filbertsf Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    “Clinton’s advance staff” — what are they?

    I once met some people on Bill Clinton’s advance staff; they go in first to prep with local campaign offices and make sure there’s crowd-building for some of this events and likely coordinate with his transpo/security team. They were young – just out of college really.

  288. There’s no need for an advance staff if you’re not travelling to states for campaigning.

  289. plural, look at the number in SD who would never vote for Obama in the primary. It’s very high.

  290. If she wins SD that way. That will be another state in which the old guard endorsed, and she took it.

    How long before the SDs see that the leadership are not directing this, that the voters are. Do you continue to follow a leadership who state can not be delivered, or do you start following the voters in your district, state and the nation.

    SDs need to think about the corners they are standing in.

  291. NewMexicoFan,

    I dont’ know. I am stripping it so it would pass through spam filter.

    americanresearchgroup.com/

  292. I absolutely hope that the SDs do not come out and endorse BO en masse – it would make BO look like a laughing stock that people STILL have doubts about him, and he has to keep saying that eventually they’ll come out for him, or dismiss the importance of the SDs now. If the MO tape comes out today, then, that’s more tips to this iceberg for sure. Today would be the BEST day for that to happen. SDs wait and watch.

    By the way, this is a must read from Talk Left and Jeralyn. Excerpts below: talkleft.com/story/2008/6/2/12307/61275

    Some Findings:

    * 35.6 million people have voted
    * The 37 primary states account for 97% of the vote.
    * The 13 caucus states account for 3% of the vote.

    Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses. [More…]

    Out of the 50 state elections so far, Clinton has won 20 primaries and Obama has won 17. In comparison, Obama has dominated the Caucus contests by winning 12 of 13, plus the Texas caucus. 42% of his wins are caucus states.

    …After 50 election contests to date, Obama leads Clinton by 113 pledged delegates. 97.4% of the difference – 110 delegates – is directly attributable to lopsided victories in caucus contests.

    …In the 37 primaries, Hillary Clinton is up 500,000 votes (counting Florida and Michigan and giving Barack Obama 75% of Michigan’s uncommitted delegates.) This give her a 67 delegate lead in the primaries. In the 13 caucus states, Obama is up 300,000 votes which has resulted in a 205 delegate lead.

  293. Some one posted on mydd that people in Montana are concerned with BO’s pastor episode.

  294. Obambots are spinning that most BO supporters were at his rally in SD and were not avilable for the poll over the weekend.

  295. jbstonesfan Says:

    June 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    Can someone explain to me how in the hell Obama is ahead in Montana????

    MEN. Just like Oregon. liberal men in the mountain west are siding with BO 2 to 1.

  296. Montana is that the site of the film Brokeback Mountain! LOL!!

    WTH is going on with Bill today, looks like smear campaign going on! The republicans must know its curtains for Obama and are now hitting Bill!! Let them Bill will not be President this time!!

  297. clintondem99

    now that is hilarious!! someone should tell them that the pollsters don’t call cell phones and the should take some of their
    allowance money and get a land line or make sure to put out there parents phone number so they can be reached.

  298. That would absolutely fantastic if Hillary kicked his butt in both those states, but I will settle for SD.

    Remember when all the BS came out on the RFK statement she was in SD and being interviewed by the SD newspaper and they actually came to her rescue. Just maybe those folks realized that race-baiting is happening for real to Hillary and her campaign!!

  299. Two years ago, the Obama people were asking the MSM when they would start covering Bill Clinton’s post-presidential sex life (supposed, that is).

    Looks like someone finally took the bait. Disgraceful, and I don’t mean Bill.

  300. President Clinton has taken such a beating from the MSM, the Drudges, mathews, Dowds, Noonans, etc,. and yet, he goes on fighting for his wife knowing that she is the onlu one who is qualifies to be president. This man shows more love for Hillary and Chelsea than any of these pundits could ever have in their hearts…God bless him.

  301. Brokeback Mountain makes me sad because of Heath Ledger

    Anyway, I have not so high hopes about Montana because at this point, it’s an open primary and the Republicans are salivating to defeat BO in the GE, so they will cross-over at help this outcome. Meanwhile, SD is interesting – and there might an effect that BO supporters won’t go to the polls because they think this thing is over – that’s what the BO campaign is telegraphing to them, so it might just dampen their interest to go. Meanwhile, Hillary supporters are dug in and angry and ready to send a message at the polls.

    Hillary is in SD and she’s shaking every hand possible – the turnout is important, that everyone of those people, rural or urban go and vote for her.

  302. As someone noted earlier, I have joined up on the John McCain blog. I have done my best to give those guys a heads-up on what they will face in the Obama/Axelrod/Zbigniew Brzezinski crew. I told them they need to get moving right now or else they will get Chicago-blindsided, like Alice Palmer and the rest of Bambi’s 1996 opponents were:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Ned5TQoW4

    Also, I told them that it is essential that we — the justly aggrieved majority of the party who have backed Hillary and they the McCain base — join forces in as smooth and synergistic a fashion as possible. That’s the same message we have been talking about here: making sure we have organizations (like Clinton Supporters Count Too) and information repositories (like 1950’s and HillBillyLover’s sites) so that our efforts to defeat Bambi and the elite coupists are successful.

    Unfocused, undirected anger and frustration won’t stop these sexist, race-baiting anti-Americans. We have to be efficient in order to defeat them.

    In the coming days I’m going to be working on making a thread on my site of all the important keywords having to do with Obama, things such as “Rezko,” or “Alice Palmer.” I want to contribute to the opposition information database so that when people need to look for more ways to educate the electorate about Hussein, they have them.

    Additionally, I have contacted the Republican National Committee and pointed out the videos I and my brother have made, as well as our writings. I gave them a few other tips as well and let them know that I would be seeking to help their candidate in other ways should Clinton be unfairly passed-over, which is the course we are headed on currently.

    As foolish Everett Ward said in the Rules & Bylaws fiasco on Saturday, we are not playing around here. If our party is absolutely determined to disenfranchise, mock and silence us, then we have to make sure that we do everything we are able to ensure their defeat come November or else their felonious choices will be legitimized in the election of the anti-American Hussein Obama.

    What we need to do now, all of us, is to continue to organize our efforts and to begin reaching out more to the McCain campaign so that in the event that Hillary is not nominated we are prepared to move forward with as little disruption as possible.

    I love Taylor Marsh, but I am not going that way. Taylor is doing what she feels she has to do, and I respect her choice, but I cannot and will not go down that path. This is to important, in my mind, to walk that road. Some will follow Taylor and they are not any ‘less’ of Democrats for doing so.

    For many of us, though — many women, many lifelong Democrats, many Clinton supporters and many people who are just flat-out repulsed by the Obamas and their race-baiting, America-hating inner circle — there is no going back now. We feel we must stand up for what is right for our party and our country.

    The Bambians are already trying to stop the synergy of the Clinton supporters and the McCain base. These cultists understand that they will be crushed by our combined numbers. They are lying about me on the McCain blog (yes, they have infiltrated it), trying to diffuse the just Clinton supporters’ anger, etc.

    Pay them no attention and keep moving. They no longer have any power to bribe, cajole, threaten, … any of us or control the outcome of the election. If only a small fraction of Clinton supporters stay firm in November, Obama will be defeated soundly. It is in our hands and nobody can stop us. Remember that, don’t be disheartened and let’s work to not only defeat Bambi but send him and the Jealous Dem Judases scurrying with a monumental election rout if they choose Bambi.

    I am pumped-up and ready-to-go. This is not a war which we sought, but it is one in which we can score a decisive victory that will ensure the health of our party and nation for years to come.

    Let’s win this thing.

    *thumbs up*
    *****************************************
    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com
    —————————
    Join the 30,000+ in over 100 countries on 6 continents who have seen the truth about Barack Hussein Obama

    The Essential Obama videos:

    Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_N1rqVo2W0

    The Obama Cult (Ruby Ridge Remix)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7wVUX9Ixo

    The Obama Equation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pSFrHfMWs

  303. I just wish they would leave Bill alone, he was a wonderful and an effective POTUS! He has a bad heart and has put 8 long and stressful years for his country, why would BO campaign do such a thing?

    So have they got something on him or are they making crap up on him? I don’t think any of Hillary’s supporters will care what he has done in the last 8 years, I know I don’t. I don’t even give a crap about Monica, that was a set up by the republicans!

    He’s will not be POTUS this time and for sure he will be a much better 1st Man than MO will make a 1st Lady!

  304. How could any SD, in their right mind, vote for Obama with all that has come out and all that will eventually come out. Shame on them for caving in to Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, and the rest of the Clinton haters…Not one of her male opponents endorsed her either which speaks volumes…as a male, I am ashamed to say “sexism” and prejudice won out again…..With all the so called rage about race, Bambi is getting a tremendous amount of white votes and Hillary none. If I hear jackson or Sharpton ever complaining again, it better be for Hillary who was the victim of racial discrimination.

  305. If you have to leave MO alone, don’t you have to leave BC alone?

    Oh that is right, there is an entirely different set of rules and stats for Clinton, vs Obama.

    The Clinton’s not only had to fight their opposition in the party, the DNC, and Media and eventurally the RNC, but they have a different set of rules and stats in each place.

    Good thing we have a power team.

  306. Paul F. Villarreal (AKA Universal) ,

    I also joined that blog, haven’t got the chance to post yet.

  307. I see the negative finished postings here. Obviously the people in SD do not think it is over. And by the looks of it, people in MT, where her numbers are getting closer.

    People who prepare themselves for failure, usually do.

    Prepare your self for Victory.

  308. Washington Post blasts Obama for quitting his church (see below), stating that it proves that he’s “just another politician”:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/community/groups/index.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aa70e3396-6663-4a8d-ba19-e44939d3c44fForum%3a5543a34c-af92-4736-b81b-4aad0ab02e2eDiscussion%3a158f9a1d-d68d-4bed-9038-0d7241f1b760

    —–
    First Obama gave his big race speech, and all his fans in the press said it would put the Rev. Wright issue to bed. Then Obama repudiated Wright, and the same fans said the issue was over. Now Obama is leaving Trinity Church. Guess what? This issue isn’t over. And each little step Obama takes to handle the problem makes him look a bit more the calculating politician and a bit less the man to change Washington.

    It is getting harder and harder to deny that Obama, at least in the past, had an affinity for the radical Left. (See this article by my colleague Stanley Kurtz for details.) Perhaps Obama has changed his views. Either way, he ought to give us an explanation.

  309. Washington Post blasts Obama for quitting his church (see below), stating that it proves that he’s “just another politician”:

    —–
    First Obama gave his big race speech, and all his fans in the press said it would put the Rev. Wright issue to bed. Then Obama repudiated Wright, and the same fans said the issue was over. Now Obama is leaving Trinity Church. Guess what? This issue isn’t over. And each little step Obama takes to handle the problem makes him look a bit more the calculating politician and a bit less the man to change Washington.

    It is getting harder and harder to deny that Obama, at least in the past, had an affinity for the radical Left. (See this article by my colleague Stanley Kurtz for details.) Perhaps Obama has changed his views. Either way, he ought to give us an explanation.

  310. Paul and others,

    I wish someone would post or email me some links to good threads over at McCain’s. I can never find much at GOP sites.

    1950democrat/at/gmail/com

  311. yes lets prepare for victory! The Obama campaign will try and remind everyone why we hate the republicans so we will need to stand strong and stick to our guns and say we will vote for McCain if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination.

    Also I have a question how many state delegates does Obama have and How many does Hillary have. The SD’s may be pushed to make their endorsement, but they can’t actually vote until August, so neither can win, we all will have to wait.

  312. As for the press going after Bill’s personal life (after BO tries to make MO’s political statements off limits)….

    Does anyone know if it would upset Hillary to post or cafepress something like this:

    Monica Lewinsky’s
    ex-boyfriend’s wife
    for President!!!

    To me that’s a good feminist statement. 🙂

  313. IF the rumors are true and the Republicans really do have tape of Michelle Obama saying this stuff, believe me, there is no better time for them to release it, from their perspective, other than on the day that Obama tries to announce that he’s secured the nomination (or on an adjacent media cycle — i.e., the next day — as a way of saying, “welcome to the big leagues, rookie — good luck trying to win the presidency when you’re wife is on record as making racist slurs” etc.) They wouldn’t sit on it until, say, a week before the election, because their entire goal right now is “define” Obama quickly, and create a strong first impression, in the eyes of swing voters.

  314. confloyd

    One thing I have always loved about being a Hillary supporter is that she is all inclusive. Please be careful of your comments that might be considered distasteful to others, even the implications can hurt. ( Montana is that the site of the film Brokeback Mountain! LOL!!)
    I’m sure you were just trying to put BHO down but you can do that without putting others down too.
    I always enjoy reading your posts and thanks for understanding

  315. Kostner — excellent. No need to post right away. As long as we’re moving in that direction is the important point, I think.

    1950’s — I just started looking for them myself. I joined McCain’s campaign site, the RNC site, and have bookmarked a few others.

    http://www.rnc.org/
    http://www.johnmccain.com/blog/
    http://www.mccainnow.com/

    http://www.blogs4mccain.com/

    The last entry has a blogroll on the right side with more sites. I have just begun my own exploration into these sites so I’m certainly no expert, but these are good places to start, I think.

    The McCain people are going to need our help. Not only is there a decided general advantage between the left’s usage of the internet and the right’s, the Bambian Astroturfers are both very adept and are paid to spam the ‘net in order to vastly overstate Babmi’s support. This is what they do, all day long.

    Our efforts to aid the McCain people in countering the Bambians are going to be important, then.

    I have to step out for a bit. Hope all are well and I’m pumped about the S. Dakota numbers.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  316. Stanley Kurtz of the Washington Post, ripping Obama for being unelectable, as the fallout from Obama’s decision to QUIT HIS VERY OWN CHURCH(!) in the midst of his campaign of president (could this be ANY more unheard of?) continues (see below). The article is a fantastic read, and quite long. I’ve just posted the first snippet here.

    article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDkyZTNiZDdkMTNiNzViZTYxNDU0MTY4MzMzMzNmZDU=&w=MA==#more

    —-
    No Liberation: Obama may have left Trinity, but he’s still on the Left.
    -By Stanley Kurtz

    Having now left Trinity United Church of Christ, can Barack Obama escape responsibility for his decades-long ties to Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright? No, he cannot. Obama’s connections to the radical-left politics espoused by Pfleger and Wright are broad and deep. The real reason Obama bound himself to Wright and Pfleger in the first place is that he largely approved of their political-theological outlooks.

    Obama shared Wright’s rejection of black “assimilation.” Obama also shared Wright’s suspicion of the traditional American ethos of individual self-improvement and the pursuit of “middle-classness.” In common with Wright, Obama had deep misgivings about America’s criminal justice system. And with the exception of their direct attacks on whites, Obama largely approved of his preacher-friends’ fiery rhetoric. Obama’s goal was not to repudiate religious radicalism but to channel its fervor into an effective and permanent activist organization. How do we know all this? We know it because Obama himself has told us.

    A Revealing Profile
    Although it’s been discussed before (because it confirms that Obama attended Louis Farrakhan’s Million Man March), a 1995 background piece on Obama from the Chicago Reader has received far too little attention. Careful consideration of this important profile makes it clear that Obama’s long-standing ties to Chicago’s most rabidly radical preachers call into question far more than Obama’s judgment and character (although they certainly do that, as well). Obama’s two-decades at Trinity open a critically important window onto his radical-left political leanings. No mere change of church membership can erase that truth.

    By providing us with an in-depth picture of Obama’s political worldview on the eve of his elective career, Hank De Zutter’s, “What Makes Obama Run?” lives up to its title. The first thing to note here is that Obama presents his political hopes for the black community as a third way between two inadequate alternatives. First, Obama rejects, “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation — which helps a few upwardly mobile blacks to ‘move up, get rich, and move out. . . . ’ ” This statement might surprise many Obama supporters, who seem to think of him as the epitome of integrationism. Yet Obama’s repudiation of integrationist upward mobility is fully consistent with his career as a community organizer, his general sympathy for leftist critics of the American “system,” and of course his membership at Trinity. Obama, we are told, “quickly learned that integration was a one-way street, with blacks expected to assimilate into a white world that never gave ground.” Compare these statements by Obama with some of the remarks in Jeremiah Wright’s Trumpet, and the resemblance is clear.

    Having disposed of assimilation, Obama goes on to criticize “the politics of black rage and black nationalism” — although less on substance than on tactics. Obama upbraids the politics of black power for lacking a practical strategy. Instead of diffusing black rage by diverting it to the traditional American path of assimilation and middle-class achievement, Obama wants to capture the intensity of black anger and use it to power an effective political organization. Obama says, “he’s tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up — at the speaker’s rostrum and from the pulpit — and then allowed to dissipate because there’s no agenda, no concrete program for change.” The problem is not fiery rhetoric from the pulpit, but merely the wasted anger it so usefully stirs.

    Obama’s Network
    De Zutter gives us a clear glimpse of Obama’s radicalism. Obama is called “progressive,” of course, and is said to yearn for “massive economic change.” That could simply mean an end to widespread poverty, rather than social restructuring. Yet Obama is also described as holding “a worldview well beyond” his mother’s “New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism.” De Zutter lays out Obama’s ties to radical groups like Chicago Acorn, as Acorn’s lead organizer, Madeleine Talbott, is quoted affirming that: “Barack has proven himself among our members . . . we accept and respect him as a kindred spirit, a fellow organizer.” In “Inside Obama’s Acorn,” I explore Obama’s links to this radical group, and to Talbott, who practices the sort of intimidating and often illegal “direct action” Acorn is famous for. (For more on Talbott’s affinity for “direct action,” see “Where Do We Begin?”)

    […edit]

  317. anyone who can do research on this , I think this is a good lead!!

    i found it through a link at RCP

    Did Michelle Obama Speak at Summit on Reparations?

    Does the mystery “whitey” tape have anything to do with the July 26, 2003, Summit on Reparations that took place in Salaam Restaurant in Chicago? Does anyone have the audio from that event or the list of attendees? Just curious.

  318. Universal, I am with you all the way. If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything as the lyrics go.It is time that we put our efforts toward stomping the criminal acts of those in power.

    I was wondering, as I watched the RBC meeting, what FDR’s grandson really thought about all this, and wondered if he had inherited the gift to know and work for the benefit of the people of America or was he too a sellout of the people. I would like to know more about him. FDR and Harry Truman, were in my mind the greatest Presidents. If you have not watched “The Grapes of Wrath” I highly recommend it. It is visual of what hard working white people have and still go through. Rent it and watch it and be amazed. Mother Goad was every American mother – she exemplified it all.

    IF RULES WERE RULES, ROSA PARKS WOULD STILL BE SEATED AT THE BACK OF THE BUS…and let’s see now..
    changing the rules is………………….CHEATING – Donna Brazile????????????????????

  319. 1950Dem wrote:

    Berkeley,

    Why wouldn’t they wait till after the convention? They’d want to make sure it was too late for the Dems to nominate Hillary.
    ——

    I think that’s a great point, and this is just personal hunch, but I think that the need to “define” an opposing candidate EARLY is always more important in Republican strategists’ eyes, especially with a new candidate like Obama, than trying to wait and spring a “gotcha” story late in the game. The Democrats waited until too late to spring the DUI story on Bush, and it didn’t get any traction, because it appeared hyper-partisan when it was released in the fall.

  320. Debbie, I will be more careful in the future. I sure would not want to hurt the feelings of the people of Montana or any gay or lesbian person in the world. I have many gay and lesbian friends and wouldn’t want to hurt their feelings.

    I am beside myself about Montana though, growing up in Texas I always idolized those cowboys and cowgirls and can imagine them not liking Hillary!

  321. This is a great point:

    ———
    All that needs to be done at this point is to ask Obama if this tape does or does not exist for the record. If he says yes, he is politically dead. If he goes on record to say it does not and it appears later, he is also finished.

    If this tape is fact and not fiction, and if it is out there, he is a goner.

    Checkmate.
    ———-

  322. I too agree with the absurdity that anyone, especially after what we know now, would support BHO. But then I said that in 2000 and 2004 about GWB.

    It’s obvious that the voters are not the ones making decisions about this election and I for one will not stop fighting until we give that power back to the people.

  323. Fox is sure making a big deal out of Hillary going home tomorrow, well she did not have the vacations that Obama had. She started her campaign from her living room and she may decide to stay in it a little longer from her home. What is wrong with that!!

  324. mj,

    I feel dizzy when have to hear ‘progressive men’… Folks, these ‘men’ are not really men, look at those kos crowd. They are limp-fisted wimpy boys. I absolute hate those peaceniks. If I were the president, I sure would have sent them all to Iraq to taste the reality on the ground. Fortunately to them, I am not the president.

    Those ultral liberal male have not guts to stand up to a tough-minded woman. They are chickens. Another war is the best way to test these wimps.

  325. EVERYONE:
    PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO SOUTH DAKOTA and MONTANA TONIGHT!!!

    Hillary is still fighting hard for us, now let’s keep fighting for her!!

    MAKE THOSE CALLS!

  326. Gosh, I can’t believe that SD poll. Clinton leading Obama by how much??

    Is this possible? If true, it’s another slap in the face of the same old loser democratic establishment. Dashcle will feel dizzy..

  327. what pisses me off is this speculation about this NY trip or calling off her campaign or letting staffers go (all of which is not true) because let’s just say it’s another voter suppression tactic which we’ve seen from the media before – the people of SD and MT do not need to hear this.

    They need to get out there and vote. I’m on an email list from one of your posters here who sent out the SD script today. Call, Call, Call – and tell them it’s not over. the weekend script itself said – “the media will have you believe it’s over” – it’s NOT OVER.

  328. at 4pm ET, Neil Cavuto on Fox. I have to head out, but I’ll definitely asking – did the shit hit the fan for BO at 4pm?

  329. WARNING
    THIS COULD MAKE YOU SICK…

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Most of the 17 Democratic senators who are uncommitted superdelegates will endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president this week, sources told CNN Monday.

  330. I love this psychic stuff -from TM person

    Whitedove said she saw money laundering by the[TUCC] church in the future being revealed…she won Ameericas Top Psychic :0)
    ginaswo | 06.02.2008 – 3:26 pm | #

  331. I’m not giving up on Hillary, she hasn’t given up on us and until she says she’s through we’re still in it to win it.

  332. My response to article in Minneapolis Star recounting bwaacks claim that Hillarys people will support Bwacks people and Bwacks people will let them in, etc.
    ——————————————————————-
    Presumes facts not in evidence. First it is the Obama folks who need to support the Clinton folks. Only then will the Clinton folks get together with them. Second who does he mean by the Obama folks? Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Phegar, Hamas, his genocidal half-brother. Sorry Bwaak but I get a little particular who I associate with, and I would be especially reluctant to call on you for a refernce. Does that sound like I ready to get together? Only after Hillary is sworn in as our 44th President-then perhaps we can talk.

    posted by wbboei on Jun. 2, 08 at 1:38 PM |
    5 of 20 people liked this comment.

  333. debbie, That’s what I dont understand, they don’t vote until August, so how can they say he’s won the nomination unless Hillary conceds. If she concedes it is all over! She is not going to do it, I think she is fighting to the end of this because she knows what is about to happen to Obama!

  334. Glad to hear Hillary’s lying low for a while and resting up, after the primaries end. The writing is pretty much on the wall that Obama is going to have a big song-and-dance victory lap, after the primaries end and a bunch of SDs endorse him en masse. Hillary will stay out of the limelight for a couple weeks, and my hunch is that she may even go so far as to “suspend” her campaign, out of deference and being gracious, and then once it becomes clear that there’s TONS more dirt on Obama and that he’s dropping in the polls, she’ll “re-enter” the race in mid-summer and take it through to the convention.

    As well all know, SDs don’t vote until August, so Obama’s “nominee” status is tenuous at best, especially with all the skeletons in his closet that are about to appear.

  335. Hi, Everyone:
    Just checking in briefly. Monkeybusiness is right – keep fighting for Hillary – she is still fighting for us. Make calls tonight! (I’m planning to call after work.)

    I’m glad to hear that Hillary is trimming back her cash requirements while she fights hard toward Denver. She will need to stop burning through cash to have some reserves in case there are any media buys needed before then. I will be very surprised if she drops out – after all, what do the kooks at Huffpo know – together with all of you, I’m counting on her to be 44!

    Universal: IMHO and with all respect, I don’t think it’s appropriate or helpful to Hillary to promote McCain (a distant second choice) here. At this point, it only serves to fuel Obamabot fury on other blogs or, worse, discredit our sincere efforts on behalf of Hillary, our true nominee.

  336. exactly Berkeley Vox. As I said – BO’s iceberg has many tips.

    We have to all figure out how to stick together, stick this out, empower each other.

    I will likely be a refugee from Taylor Marsh’s site soon, and I’m hoping that everyone who is pro-Hillary keeps their contact info centralized so that we can stick together. The BO people will win if they smash our communication centers and we dissipate.

  337. Update from FOX NEWS, Hillary is going on, the staff going home is normal and she is not happy with the ruling and will take it to the credential committee!! Hooray, she is going to fight!!

  338. I just heard a Fox report from the Hillary Campaign that she is staying in the race she isn’t going anywhere and Hillary says the magic numbers for Obama are wrong because FL & MI are not solved. YEA! Keep up the fight.

  339. Its like Ben Hogan said to the Japanese ceo who bought his golf company, and did not speak a word of english . . . . .. . . . neil cavuto-you may have done nothing else worthwhile in your life but just please this one time: “don’t disappoint us”.

    (Note: the real quote was dont fuck it up).

  340. Update from FOX NEWS, Hillary is going on, the staff going home is normal and she is not happy with the ruling and will take it to the credential committee!! Hooray, she is going to fight!!
    —————————————————————–
    I am going to borrow a phrase from the hym book of Reverend Wright.

    God bless Hillary, and Goddam her detractors in the press.

    God bless America, and Goddam who want to bring it down.

    God bless Democratic Party if and only if it nominates her.

    Amen

    P.S. And if she needs help she need only ask.

    PPS. Neil Cavuto you are on deck. Put up or shut up.

  341. About the MO tape: What I actually found revealing in Larry Johnson’s post was the extent of Waffles’ ties to Farrakhan. The GOP will have a field day with that, not matter what’s on the tape. The MSM has done virtually no investigation into Waffles’ Chicago political background, so there’s plenty there for the GOP to bring to light. Farrakhan is radioactive to millions of voters.

  342. I think Xcle Energy is also significant:

    Obama rally at GOP convention site has Democratic ghosts:

    WASHINGTON — It was with a bit of fanfare that Barack Obama’s campaign this weekend announced that the Illinois senator would hold his final primary night rally of the year Tuesday on Republican turf.

    A symbolic shot across their bow, if you will.

    But the site they chose might have Democratic ghosts.

    As the final primary votes are cast Tuesday in Montana and South Dakota, Obama and his wife will travel not to one of those places but to St. Paul, Minn., where they will attend a rally at the Xcel Energy Center, a downtown arena where the Republican National Convention will be held this summer.

    The campaign hopes it’s a potent sign of how he will take the fight to the Republicans on their own turf, assuming he wins the Democratic nomination. They also think it’s a sign of his he’ll fight for closely competitive states such as Minnesota.

    There’s one problem, however.

    The site they chose played another role in political history. And it’s not a memory Democrats relish.

    It was at that site where Democrat Walter Mondale met with about 2,000 crying supporters on election night to concede the 1984 presidential election to President Ronald Reagan.

    And it wasn’t just a loss. It was an electoral college landslide.

    Reagan swept 49 states and took 525 electoral college votes. Mondale carried just his home state of Minnesota — narrowly — and Washington DC, giving him just 13 electoral college votes.

    It was the worst electoral college defeat ever suffered by a Democrat in American history.

    Other Democratic landslide losers fared better: Jimmy Carter got 49 electoral college votes against Reagan’s 489 in 1980, and George McGovern got 17 against Richard Nixon’s 520 in 1972.

    And it was the worst by anyone since Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt clobbered Republican Alf Landon in 1936 by the electoral college margin of 523-8.

    Mondale appeared gracious that night at the St. Paul Civic Center, later torn down to allow construction of the Xcel Energy Center.

    “He has won, we are all Americans, he is our president, and we honor him tonight,” Mondale said.

    “I am thankful to America for hearing my case.”

    No doubt. Yet Democrats no doubt are in no rush to be reminded of election night 1984.

    McClatchy Newspapers 2008

  343. I find it ironic that they would chose xcel energy Center since he was in bed with those folks and allowed the water to be contaminated in Illinois!

  344. HEADS UP!

    Hillary Supporter> Harriet Christian is going to be on Cavuto coming up soon!!!

    this ought to be good!! 😀

  345. from a commentor on noquarte, i wonder if we can make sure this happens, or be involved in a suit? :
    ***************************************************
    Has anyone seen this article and have any comments? http://www.townhall.com.

    Conservative/ACLU Arguments Beg the Question on Florida/Michigan Primaries
    By Peter J. Wirs

    This past Saturday, the Democratic National Committee Rules Committee voted, as many anticipated, on seating the Florida and Michigan Democratic delegates with only half of vote. Moreover, 59 Michigan delegates were awarded to Barak Obama, notwithstanding he was not on the January 15 Michigan primary ballot. As Clinton adviser and Rules committee member Harold Ickes asserted, the outcome for Michigan was a hijacking of voters’ intent because it assigned delegates to Mr. Obama even though he did not win them.

    As we reported last week, Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), the former chairman and now ranking minority member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is seriously evaluating whether he should call for Congressional hearings. We know that the Senator’s political brain trust was working around the clock to analyze a response to the DNC decision. Although having no direct confirmation, we would expect Florida Governor Charles Crist and Michigan Attorney General Michael Cox, among others, were waiting for the Democrats to cast their decision into stone before considering whether they should seek judicial intervention as per Specter’s brainstorming.

    Specter, probably one of the most legally astute of GOP Senators, contends the DNC is violating one of the most fundamental of all constitutional rules, that once a vote is cast it must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”

    Conservatives responded to our May 27 column that neither the Senate nor the courts have any business regarding the affairs of a political party on the First Amendment grounds of freedom of association. Their contention was viscerally shared by the ACLU, who graciously responded to us, but after our deadline. This Conservative/ACLU argument relies on major Supreme Court case, primarily Democratic Party of Wisconsin v. LaFollette (1981) which holds that First Amendment freedom to gather in association for purpose of advancing shared belief is protected by Fourteenth Amendment from infringement by any state, and moreover, that freedom to associate for common advancement of political beliefs necessarily presupposes freedom to identify people who comprise the association, and to limit the association to those people only. The High Court went on to hold that a political party’s choice among various ways of determining makeup of a state’s delegation to party’s national convention is constitutionally protected, thus prohibiting the state or courts from substituting its own judgment for that of the party.

    But the joint conservative-ACLU logic falls under the petitio principii rule as their assertion is merely a strawman that begs the question, because obviously no one is disputing the Democrats have every right to set what its rules are and how its delegates are to be selected.

    But once the Democrats evoke the state’s machinery in order to hold a public primary, a bright line is crossed. As the Supreme Court in Gray v. Saunders observed state regulated party primaries “show that the State . . . collaborates in the conduct of the primary, and puts its power behind the rules of the party. It adopts the primary as a part of the public election machinery. The exclusions of voters made by the party by the primary rules become exclusions enforced by the State.” Grey v. Saunders went on to assert that “state regulation of this preliminary phase of the election process makes it state action.”

    The issue isn’t that the DNC is asserting some “for members only” admission to a clubhouse. The issue is that the Great States of Florida and Michigan held primaries, which although concerning one or another of our two major political parties, is part of the electoral process. These primaries weren’t private affairs. They weren’t even party affairs. They were official state actions. The DNC was acting by virtue of the power delegated to it by the legislatures of both Florida and Michigan. The taxpayers of both Florida and Michigan, not the DNC, paid for the primaries. If the DNC wants to exclude voters, or count only half of the votes cast, or award Obama delegates he did not win, then they should hold private affairs (like that San Francisco cocktail reception where Obama asserts most of us are bitter by virtue of believing in God). Let them sell tickets and pay for the events themselves.

    Keep in mind that our major political parties are not the same as a local cub scout troop. The rule initially expressed by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in Bentman v. Seventh Ward Democratic Executive Committee (1966) which Senator Specter properly observed, is now the law of the land in both Federal and state courts, is that “the relationship between political parties, the government and the public has become such that, in many areas, the public interest is not only directly affected by political parties but such parties actually perform public functions imposed upon them by law. Insofar as a political party performs statutorily-imposed public functions and to the extent that its actions constitute state action, the internal organization of such political party is a matter of such concern to the public as to make it subject to constitutional limitations and judicial restraint. When the internal organization of a political party directly affects its performance of such public function then not only may the judiciary intervene but it must intervene.”

    I don’t know about my fellow conservatives, but when I go to the polls to vote, I don’t want someone to cancel or dilute my vote. I expect my vote to be count as one vote, nothing more, nothing less.

    About The Author
    ——————————————–
    Peter J. Wirs is currently the Chairman & Co-Trustee of the Republican Leadership Trust as well as the incoming President of the National Conference of Public Officials.

  346. from talk left

    Rezko Jury Split On One Count
    By Jeralyn, Section Corruption Cases
    Posted on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:04:36 PM EST
    Tags: Tony Rezko (all tags)
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    The jury deliberating the fate of Tony Rezko sent the judge a note today saying it cannot agree on 1 of the 24 counts against him.

    I guess that means they’ve decided on the other 23 counts.

    The judge told them to keep deliberating.

  347. confloyd, may be they should add Bob Beckel to the list of the guests. He managed Mondale’s campaign.

  348. paula, that’s what i heard too, we will have to wait and see what the rest of the show brings

    harriet is up NEXT

  349. HELLO 44!!!!!!!!!

    WOW! i can finally get back on!!!! I’ve been going through 44 withdrawal the past week!

    Anyway, I checked Fox news site and I didn’t see any mention that HRC is going to Denver.

    I saw lots of stuff i DON’T want to believe.

    where did you hear she’s not quitting?

    Is there a link?

  350. wbboei Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Sherm: there is a third thing Hillary should not do in my opinion and that is suspend her campaign, as our friend craig crawford mentioned as an option the other day. The reason I say that is because the media will spin it as conceding
    &&&&&

    Totally agree.

  351. I do not think she will ever “quit”..that’s not what the Clinton’s are all about. IMO, she and Bill will discuss what the best strategy is going forward, which may well be simply being ready to take the nomination when Obama is fully vetted and deemed unelectable……Off course she will have to say all the “right things” to appear unifies as will Bambi, but we know that there is no love lose between them and it is simply being done for public consumption.

  352. I think Cavuto is waiting for the last part of the program to deliver the smack down. Gee, wonder if Bo’s campaign is watching? LOL!! 🙂

  353. Hillary’s PR Victory speech transcript tells us all we need to know today, she is fighting for the nomination and is not going to concede…..read it and hold strong in our belief that SHE WILL WIN!!!

    Thank you so much. I have four words for you: Te quiero Puerto Rico!

    Never before have these beautiful islands had such an important voice in a presidential election. And I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here. I cannot thank you all enough. Bill and Chelsea and I are so grateful to the bottom of our hearts for your generosity and your kindness, and I hope that we have helped to draw attention to the concerns of Puerto Rico and we have also helped to spotlight the beauty and the spirit of this wonderful place.

    I am grateful for this show of overwhelming support. I came to Puerto Rico to listen to your voices because your voices deserve to be heard. And I hear you, and I see you, and I will always stand up for you.

    I also want to recognize Senator Obama and his supporters. Our two campaigns have turned out record numbers of new voters, determined to chart a new course for America. Now, this primary election has been hard fought because there is so much at stake and we must elect a Democratic president.

    I am I am overwhelmed by this vote today and I cannot complete this journey without your help. We have two contests left in South Dakota and Montana, and you can make the difference by visiting hillaryclinton.com and helping us make sure we go strong. Every contribution will help us make our case to the voters who are going to be heading to the polls.

    And I want you to know that this election is really about your future. You voted even though some tried to tell you that your votes wouldn’t count. You voted for the person you believe will be the stronger nominee and the strongest president. And you are not alone. You are joining millions of people across the United States, more than 17.6 million, plus the votes that we’ve received today. People who don’t always make the headlines; who don’t always feel like your voices are being heard.

    I think about these people all the time, because that’s who I care most about. The nurse on her second shift who still can’t pay her credit card bills; the worker who can’t afford the gas on the way to work, the waitress on her feet without health care. The small business owners saddled with rising energy bills; the college student who can’t afford to continue college; the farmer, the teacher, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran. The people yearning for a president who will rebuild the economy and a Commander-in-Chief who will restore our leadership and moral authority in the world.

    I know that people face tough times. But what I’ve been impressed by is the resourcefulness and resilience that the people here and across the United States use to face whatever challenges they confront, because they believe they can keep working for a better tomorrow. The American Dream may bend under the weight of challenges we failed to meet and presidents who have failed to lead. It may bend, but it will never break, because that’s what keeps so many of us going; the thought of a better life tomorrow and a better future for our children.

    I believe that the people of the United States need a champion in the White House, someone who will be a president in their corner and on their side. I believe you are voting because you want a president who will stand up for universal health care. Who will stand up for action to address the housing crisis, who will stand up for better jobs to protect Social Security. You want to cut through the speeches and the sound-bites to real solutions.

    And so today you’ve come out strong. You have defied the skeptics. More people across the country have voted for our campaign, more people have voted for us than for any candidate in the history of presidential primaries.

    We are winning the popular vote. Now, there can be no doubt, the people have spoken and you have chosen your candidate. And it’s important where we have won. We are winning these votes in swing states and among the very swing voters that Democrats must win to take back the White House and put this country back on the path to prosperity. Together, we’ve won the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, West Virginia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, and, yes, Michigan and Florida.

    And I hope by my second term, regardless of what the people of Puerto Rico decide about the status option you prefer, you too will be able to vote for the next president of the United States.

    So, when the voting concludes on Tuesday, neither Senator Obama nor I will have the number of delegates to be the nominee. I will lead the popular vote. He will maintain a slight lead in the delegate count. The decision will fall on the shoulders of those leaders in our party empowered by the rules to vote at the Democratic Convention.

    I do not envy the decision you must make, but a decision has to be made, and in the final assessment, I ask you to consider these questions: Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic primary? Which candidate is best able to lead to us victory in November? And which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?

    I am in this race because I believe I am that candidate, and I will be that president. We are winning the popular vote because we have stood for the core principle of our party, a party that believes in universal health care – no one left out. A party that believes hard working, middle-class families deserve a fair shot at the American Dream, a party that believes we must bring our troops home from Iraq safely, responsibly, and honorably. A party that cherishes every child, values every family, and counts every single vote.

    We are winning against John McCain and beating him in the key states. We have what it takes to get the 270 electoral votes necessary to win the White House. And the majority of voters know who is ready on Day One to serve as our president. A president who will bring strength, knowledge, and experience to the White House to solve our toughest problems. A president who knows firsthand the challenges of the job, as well as its power to make a positive difference in people’s lives.

    That’s why I’m in this race. Ultimately it’s not about Senator Obama or me. It’s about you – your hopes, your interests, your futures. It’s about the direction we choose as a nation. With two wars abroad and an economic crisis at home, we have to get this right. Our country cannot afford four more years of more of the same.

    So, today Puerto Ricans across this beautiful place that I have come to enjoy so much made your voices heard and your votes counted, and for that, I want to thank my co-chairs, Senate President Kenneth McClintock and Puerto Rico Democratic Chair Roberto Prats, political directors Rafi Rodriguez Aguayo and Representative Jorge Colberg, Elections Representatives, Representative “Junior” Gonzalez and Rene Estades. Jose Hernandez Mayoral, Former Governor Carlos Romero, Miguel Lausell, Virgilio Ramos, and Luisette Cabanas. And special thank you to coordinator Ramon Luis Lugo, deputy coordinator Francisco Domenech, and advisor Jeffrey Farrow.

    And I want to thank all of my volunteers, my staff, my supporters; everyone who waved at us as we caravanned all day yesterday. And I want to reiterate what I have said across Puerto Rico, together, in my first term, we will finally enable the status question to be resolved, based on the principles that government should be representative at all levels, and the people of Puerto Rico deserve the opportunity to choose from among all of the options.

    Together we will work to ensure that Puerto Rico is treated equally when it comes to Medicare and Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, tax breaks for creating jobs, and more. I will be your champion. And I want to thank all of my friends in our labor unions, all of them who have done so much for us. It has been a joy to work with every single union that has been here supporting me. We would not be here without you tonight. And I want to say a special word of thanks to the Hispanic community, not just in Puerto Rico, but across the United States. I am so honored you have stood by me throughout this campaign. I am grateful for your love, your friendship, and your support.

    What we have seen in this campaign and what we have always known is that Hispanic Americans, Latinos from every part of Latin America, care deeply about the future of the United States. You contribute so much to the greatness of this country, to business and academia, to labor, to the professions, to entertainment, to sports, to every part of society. And you have also contributed greatly to expanding the horizons and the diversity of our country. I am so grateful to you, and I am so proud of the support you have given me.

    I also wish to thank my family for their incredible love and support, Bill and Chelsea, my mother, my brothers, Hugh and Tony, my sister-in-laws, Maria and Megan, and all who are helping here in Puerto Rico and South Dakota and Montana. Because we are in this to choose a candidate who we know will not only stand up for us but unite us. We will be strengthened by the enthusiasm of the millions of people who have voted and volunteered in all of these contests. We are propelled by this unique moment in history.

    The campaign has been an extraordinary journey, and I am grateful for every day of it; every single day something happens which reinforces my commitment and lifts my spirits. It might be a young child who is introduced and says, “I want to grow up to be president.” It might be a young mother who says, “I have no health insurance. I hope you will help me.” It might be an older man, who says, “I am a veteran, but I cannot get the help I deserve.”

    Every story like that reinforces my commitment to what we are doing together. People deserve better from their government. The people of Puerto Rico deserve better from the federal government. So, I call on you to travel this final stretch with me, to join me as we take America back and lead our country with confidence and optimism into this new century.

    Let’s keep fighting for our dream. Let’s keep fighting for what we believe. Let’s keep fighting for one another. Let’s keep fighting for America. America is worth fighting for. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.

  354. COMING SOON TO A THEATRE NEAR YOU…

    “Whitey”
    Starring Michelle Obama as herself

    Co-Starring Louis Farrakhan as himself

    Critics have described this film as “Stunning!” and “A bombshell!”

    Will it live up to the hype? Only time will tell.

    Seriously, if this thing is for real– and I trust these sources and believe that it is indeed real– the presence of Farrakhan alone should be enough to seal the deal. Unlike Rev. Wrong and Pfather Pffffffffff, Farrakhan is a known entity and an international figure who cannot easily be swept under the rug. If the above transcript is accurate, the tape is from at least late 2005, as it mentions Hurricane Katrina. So it’s not as if MO can say she made these remarks back in 1980-something or 1990-something and that they no longer reflect her worldview.

  355. paula, everything! 😀

    it was a long interview……

    she spoke about

    voting for mc cain
    would not vote for a obama/clinton ticket
    hopes that hillary if not the nom now will set herself up for a 2012 run
    talked about obama in chicago, organizer..phewy!
    how sexist everyone has been towards hillary
    how the DNC has fixed the election, how how the dnc has lefter not her leaving the party

  356. Fred thompson on now, saying the hillary supporters will vote for McCain, that the polls are reflecting that as much

  357. Great day for it to come out since Iran came out today and said Isreal days are numbered and soon they will be gone. Not a good day for it to come out for poooor little Bambiiiii!!!

  358. Paula Says:
    “Jen, Where’s that from? Do you have a link?”

    The transcript I mentioned is somewhere on this page. Just scroll up. The “movie ad” part I made up myself and the rest is just my own opinion.

    I can’t get FoxNews from where I am right now. Is Cavuto airing “Whitey” or hyping it at all today?

    Harriet Christian is awesome!!! I hope she joins us here at Big Pink.

  359. I have Cavuto with Harriet Christian taped on my cable box DVR – but I don’t know how to make Youtubes (me bad).

  360. I just sent cavuto this email

    Harriet Christian Speaks for me and millions of others

    It’s funny how no one wants to believe that we will

    Walk on over to McCain without a second look back

    But time will tell the TRUTH!!

    We are not racists, We are Brilliant!! We have done our

    Own investigating since the main stream media chose

    To not do their jobs and report the facts and do the investigating

    For us. TRUTH will always prevail….which is why we are

    Deflecting to McCain if the DNC and OBAMA STEAL

    This election from Hillary Clinton.

    It has been disgusting how blatant the Sexism and double standard

    Had been allowed to be during this entire primary. We will not forget

    Party unity means nothing to us, We are Americans first above democrats

    And I would love to come on your show, me and a few other’s and tell you

    And the world how we feel…..but then you probably wouldn’t want to hear

    Our voices for yourself would you! You probably want to HIDE US under

    The bus.

    Sincerely

  361. # CountTheVotes Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I have Cavuto with Harriet Christian taped on my cable box DVR – but I don’t know how to make Youtubes (me bad).
    …………………………

    You need a tv card in your computer like (TV Wonder)
    Then you run cables from tv to computer and cut and paste

    It is not difficult and is fun to do. My card recently died and haven’t got a new one yet

  362. thanks Laney. I’m one of those people who doesn’t have an Ipod or MP3player. Just don’t know how to do that stuff…

    but OK, will start with a TV card and try and figure it out.

  363. I have had more time to work on this since the emails for the committee members have been blocked. When they do open up I will send this revised message to them. I understand the decision is being appealed to the credentials committee. Possibly the press will take an interest as well given Harriet Christens remarks as described above.
    ——————————————————————-
    Dear Committee Member

    On Saturday May31 the RBG met to consider the question of how the votes cast by America citizens in Michigan and Florida primaries which were held outside the window prescribed by the DNC should be included in the total delegate count for the presidential nomination. We were told that this was a historical moment and the eyes of the world were watching. By the end of the day a decision was rendered and an election was stolen.

    You were a member of that committee. I am writing to convey my outrage over the Michigan decision. I understand that eight (8) committee members voted against that improvident decision. If you happen to be one of them then you have my profound respect. You were on the side of the angels when it counted and none of what I am about to say relates to you.

    For the remaining members however let me begin with this question: by what sophistry of reason did you presume to : i) strip delegates from someone who earned them, ii) award delegates as well as superdelegates to someone who was not on the ballot and iii) invalidate the popular vote? Frankly, this is precisely the result we would expect to see in a banana republic. Is this what our party stands for?

    Please do not tell me this was a compromise. We both know it was a blatant hijacking of rights conferred to Senator Clinton by Michigan voters through a referendum in. That hijacking violates the core concept of democracy and the fair reflection standard. Worse it is a harbinger of how this new vaunted leadership coalition would govern our country if they receive the nomination and prevail in November. That concern grows more real and palpable with every passing day.

    As one prominent member of your committee accurately observed this decision violates the bedrock principles of democracy, and disenfranchises 600,000 Democratic voters. Meanwhile Chuck Todd of Politico informs us that Obama controls the Party and the committee merely executed his will. On what meat doth Caesar feed that he has grown so great? The last time I looked we were a nation of laws, rights, and due process—as opposed to a dictatorship.

    The aftermath of this decision has been just as surreal. As main stream media began to label the decision “controversial”, one prominent member of your committee appeared on CNN and offered to cast her vote as a superdelegate for Hillary at the convention to make up for the four that were stripped away if it made Clinton supporters happy. What are we to make of that statement? I say it is an admission by one of its supporters that the decision is fatally flawed. In fact, it is so egregious that it may become the subject of congressional hearings on the eve of the election. At some point, our party begins to look like the gang that can’t shoot straight.

    Sure as the earth turns this decision is a travesty of justice. The precedent it sets is obscene. And it sends an unequivocal message to centrist Democrats that our traditional coalition no longer counts and our votes do not matter. Furthermore we are appalled by the way our centrist candidate Senator Clinton has been abused and this decision is the final straw. Many of us will leave the party or stay home in November if she is not our nominee. How ironic since the stated purpose of the decision was to promote unity. But that was never really the objective here–was it?

    Very truly yours

  364. about the tape

    remember when the speculation about Ellen Degeneres, was going to “come out” as a lesbian was all over the news for weeks and then when she did the story died of dullness.

    the more we hear this tape is stunning, shocking, staggering, astounding, startling, appalling, offensive…add your adjective…the less the impact when once and for all it does rear its head.

    If they have the dahm tape then once and for all show it and stop talking about it. By the time it makes the airways only a handful of people will care and the otherside will have it’s counter in place.

  365. CountTheVotes Says:
    June 2nd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    exactly Berkeley Vox. As I said – BO’s iceberg has many tips.
    We have to all figure out how to stick together, stick this out, empower each other.

    I’ve got a no-hassle message board at turndownobama.com where people can gather to regroup.

  366. I don’t think it’s appropriate or helpful to Hillary to promote McCain (a distant second choice) here.

    Phooey! WHERE THE HELL ELSE can we talk freely? We need show the DNC that we’re serious, BEFORE it’s too late for them to come to their senses and nominate Hillary.

    The longer we wait, the more their support for Obama may firm up. We need to strike now, while the press is still focussed on Hillary and “Will she or won’t she (in her Maidenform bra)?”

    The Brazile crowd thinks they can survive the loss of the blue collar, the rurals, the whites, the elderly, the non-AA ethnics, and still win this November. Then they tell US “You’ve got to come back, we can’t win without you!” So we need NOW to show the SDs how many of us there are, and how serious we are.

    THat means thinking past the moment and past Denver — and ACTING on some definite plans for November. If we wait till after Denver — then it’s too late to INFLUENCE Denver.

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