Chicago Rules Committee

The great day has arrived. Today something historic will happen.

No, we don’t expect common sense to prevail today at the Rules Committee meeting. We don’t expect the voters of Florida and Michigan will have the votes they cast, as they cast them, respected or counted.

But something else, will happen.

That something is what Nancy Pelosi, the Katherine Harris of this election cycle, fears most. That something is what Howard Dean, author of the 48 state strategy fears most. That something is what Donna Brazille fears most, That something is what Barack Obama fears most.

The Barack Obama/Howard Dean 48 State Losing Strategy

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Recall the arguments that Obama used to make. “To know me is to love me” Obama would say. ‘My supporters won’t vote for Hillary but Hillary supporters will vote for me’.

Now Obama knows better.

In many quarters, to know Obama is to loathe him. In poll after poll, state after state what is clear is that Hillary supporters – women, latinos, white working class voters, rural voters, African-American Hillary supporters – will NOT vote for Obama under any circumstances.

Yet, smart people like Celinda Lake (and dummies in Big Media) continue to make the argument that Hillary Clinton supporters will “come home” to the Democratic Party no matter who the nominee is. These usually smart people are betting that Democrats will be force fed “unity” and will eventually vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party based on issues.

[We will resume our series Voting For Barack Obama, Part III early this coming week and analyze why Obama cannot be trusted on any issues and why it makes sense to reject Obama – on the issues (abortion, Supreme Court appointees, gay rights, healthcare, Iraq, NAFTA).]

The argument of these usually smart people collapses when we look at what will happen today.

The historic event today will NOT be the Rules Committee meeting.

The historic event today will be the organizing that will take place in advance of November.

In most election cycles, Democrats fall in line and fight for the nominee. In 2004 Dean, Edwards, and Clark supporters all fell in line immediately when it was apparent that Kerry would be the nominee. Kerry won the popular vote and more delegates than all his opponents by far. After March Kerry effectively won every primary by wide margins. Early in the 2004 cycle all Kerry opponents had conceded. Not so in 2008.

In 2008, Hillary will have won the popular vote. Hillary has won the most votes from Democrats. The primary elections continue into June. The candidate – Hillary Clinton – opposed by the Democratic Party establishment and Big Media continues to win, by 40% margins, late primaries. The revulsion, with the force fed on Democrats Obama, grows.

So what historic event will happen today?

The historic event is that the majority of Democrats will begin to organize 3 months before the Democratic? convention in opposition to the force fed, Big Media, candidate. 3 months before the Democratic? convention Democrats will be gathering emails and other contact information to fight against the Democratic? Party establishment.

Today networks of Hillary supporters from all parts of the United States will meet and organize and plan and build lists and circulate millions of emails day after day – 3 months before the Democratic? convention – all without costing a cent.

In late August, the Democratic? convention, 3 months before the general election, will be forced to vote to disenfranchise the voters of 2 very big and very important swing states.

Today, the Hillary Clinton army will make it clear that there will be no November “unity”, no “healing” without Hillary at the Helm.

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The Rules Committee meets today, May 31, 2008 from 9:30 a.m. until 3:00 p.m. The meeting will be at the Marriott-Wardman Park Hotel, 2660 Woodley Road, NW, Washington D.C.

Hillary Supporters will rally at 7:00 a.m. (ET) until about 4:00 p.m. outside the hotel.

C-SPAN will broadcast the Rules Committee live. Broadcast starts at 9:30 a.m. (EST). Watch online HERE

Before the Rules Committee broadcast, C-SPAN will host a call in program on Washington Journal. The call-in program will be from 7:00 a.m. until 9:30 a.m.

Washington Journal: Support Democrats (202) 737-0002,
Washington Journal: Support Pres. Bush (202) 737-0001,
Washington Journal: Support Others (202) 628-0205

Congressman Robert Wexler will represent Obama from 7:15-7:30 a.m.

From 7:30 to 8:00 a.m. Gordon Trowbridge of the Detroit News will answer questions.

From 8:00 to 8:30 a.m. Congresswoman Corrine Brown of Florida will speak on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

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  1. TELL IT ADMIN…

    FREEDOM! FREEDOM!

    in keeping with this theme,
    this was a cute post by susan at noquarter:
    ***********************************************

    Hey, Mom, How Come All the Obama People Are Demanding Unity, Mom?” »
    By SusanUnPC

    – my 25-year-old beautiful daughter asked me today.

    “I thought our country was founded on the principle that people should have DIFFERENT views and be for DIFFERENT people and ideas,” she said.

    I thought about it for a second, and replied:

    “Maybe that’s why our founding fathers created different branches of government …”

    My daughter interrupted:

    “YES, mom! So they could have different views and disagree with each other and keep each other from having absolute power!”

    … I dunno. I just thought I’d mention that my daughter has figured out that unity is not all it’s cracked up to be. That in fact DISunity is what makes this country greater than most.

    And the last time people tried to shove that UNITY B.S. down my throat, it was the pro-war Bush-supporters of the Iraq war who said it was unpatriotic not to be united entirely behind our president and to support his elective war.

    Which makes the Obama followers pretty much like the lockstep Bush followers. In my book.

    GIVE ‘EM HELL, HAROLD ICKES and ALL OF HRC’s EXPERTS! DON’T GIVE ‘EM AN INCH! FIGHT ALL THE WAY! FIGHTING is what makes us GREAT Americans. And UNITING behind an empty suit without the experience or knowledge to be president — who consorts with extremist, anti-American, racist radicals — is just about the most UN-AMERICAN thing I can imagine doing in my entire lifetime as a LOYAL American citizen.

  2. I guess everyone went to bed early so they can get up early to watch the carnival on C-span!

  3. Excellent and apropo article as usual, Admin. Women are uniting in groups, and groups are uniting together, and together we will prevail.

    If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything, as the song goes. We must stand now for the future of America and for the protection of our American Daughters. Just this year alone, it has crystallized in most women’s brains and hearts that we are not as far along as we should be;perhaps we laid the mantle down too long.
    With all the misogyny just right out in the open toward Hillary and
    vicariously toward each of us, and the YFZ ranch [and I hear there are at least 6 other ranches] making zombie sex slaves out of little girls-baby making machines……..how can our government condone such when we work toward women’s rights in other countries? UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

    ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!!! I will look for the FDR black shirts in the protest; and our founder of Florida Demands Representation will be one of the rally speakers. I know Jim Hannagan will do an excellent job.

  4. sly and the family stone-

    Stand
    In the end you’ll still be you
    One that’s done all the things you set out to do
    Stand
    There’s a cross for you to bear
    Things to go through if you’re going anywhere
    Stand
    For the things you know are right
    It s the truth that the truth makes them so uptight
    Stand
    All the things you want are real
    You have you to complete and there is no deal
    Stand. stand, stand
    Stand. stand, stand
    Stand
    You’ve been sitting much too long
    There’s a permanent crease in your right and wrong
    Stand
    There’s a midget standing tall
    And the giant beside him about to fall
    Stand. stand, stand
    Stand. stand, stand
    Stand
    They will try to make you crawl
    And they know what you’re saying makes sense and all
    Stand
    Don’t you know that you are free
    Well at least in your mind if you want to be

    Everybody
    Stand, stand, stand

  5. Filipino American Caucus for Empowerment (FACE) Pulls Support for Party

    hey all
    -this is a major group in dem communties esp here in tx-the fillipino american caucus. they decided to pull support for the party bc of its treatment of hillary. statement below. note its addressed to tx dem chair richie bc of his sudden obama backing!

    Mr. Richie,

    Because of your decision to pre emptively endorse Sen. Obama before the State Party Convention, the Filipino American Caucus for Empowerment (FACE), a long time Democratic Party organization with chapters in the main Texas cities and other parts of the country, will suspend our support for the Democratic Party until after the elections in November.

    We have asked our members and members of the Filipino American community to likewise suspend their support to the Party, including cancellation of sustaining memberships for this election cycle. We remain loyal to the Democratic Party but the Party leaders like you have allowed the MSM and the likes of Rush Limbaugh to choose the Democratic Presidential candidate instead of the Democratic rank and file. Enablers like you have allowed the terrible and almost inhuman assault on Sen. Clinton, a loyal Democrat, so Democrats like you should suffer the consequence of your disgusting political opportunism.

    *********** (dont want to post name here bc of obamabots)
    President, FACE

  6. tex,

    fillipinos, do their part, they are a solid voting bloc…
    good to hear, i am proud of them tonight.

    just as admin stated on this thread, THE FIGHT STARTS TODAY!!!

  7. Hello Daughters (and sons) of the Democratic Revolution! I know I haven’t been around much lately, but I’ve been checking in on you. I love you all for your conviction and faith and passion!

    Admin, thank you for your great pieces…always getting the wheels turning in the right direction.

    Paul V., I read the previous post and I am so sad for the comments posted on your video. I don’t know why people think it is ok to incite hatred…the veil of civility has been lifted and certain people are letting their ugliness hang out. You are a patriot and don’t let anyone tell you different.

    I was so disturbed by Pfleger…I can’t even describe my emotions. The anology of rape was like a personal violation. Just like with Wright, I felt Pflegers words on a visceral level and there is some evil there.

    The surrogates out there saying “it wasn’t Obama saying those things and he immediately distanced himself from that priest” are pissing in the wind.

    Obama is absolutely unelectable. We won’t forget these things that were said, and Obama cannot distance himself…these are his “peeps”. These are his circle of friends…his “army buddies” in his personal war against the ills of Amerika through a glass darkly.

    We are an imperfect country, and we are all imperfect people with an imperfect government. But whites are no more imperfect than blacks or any other race and the sins of the fathers shall not pass to sons & daughters. We are not the enemy. So many caucasians holding deep prejiduce have passed on and fewer and fewer remain. However, it appears racism is being fostered in churches like those in Chicago that won’t let it die. This makes me indescribably sad. It hurts to the core because I so believed with every passing day we were moving beyond racial divisions in this country. Obviously some are not ready to give it up — and shock –they are not all white.

    Pfleger is and he should know better than to incite hatred in this way when progress is being made. You can’t force understanding, it has to come by knowing and finding shared values and human experiences — person to person.

  8. Hi Hill friends…

    …did anyone else just watch the August-07 repeat of the DNC rules meeting on C-Span where the Florida representatives go to plead their case in front of the DNC…OMG…The DNC, what a bunch of short sighted, pompous twits…they had different members from different states all casting judgement on Florida’s case…Don Fowler from SC was one of the few voices of prophetic reason…and guess who the culprits were…the ones that were not happy with just taking away the 50%…no the two that were the most vocal for taking 100% of the Florida delegates away…you guessed it, Donna Brazile and Ralph Dawson…two very brazen AA Obama supporters…the Fl reps pleaded their case in detail…to no avail…

    Fl stated how it was out of their hands and filled in all the details and basically asked the DNC for consideration and mercy…and what did they do…instead of the 50%, they took everything from them…

    …after watching that fiasco…where all the condescending powertrippers have now been proven wrong and tomorrow will be forced to retract and repair the colossal damage they have done to the Dem party and the state of Florida…

    …after watching how the people in control of the DNC behave, I have just lost all respect for the Democratic Party…a bunch of game players at the expense of the voters…what a disillusioning experience to see them in action…so removed from the will of the voters and so concerned with their ‘rules’ and punishment…Donna Brazile was the worst…she is a loud mouth…and so full of herself…

    on another topic…manage to catch the McLaughlin Hour tonight and right out of the mouth of the very conservative Monica Crowley even comes the declarative statement that the Repubs will never do away with Roe v Wade…her explanation was if they didn’t do it with Reagan, they will never do away with Roe in the USA…

    for any Obama people that are trying to scare supporters with that Roe v Wade line…forgetaboutit! not going to happen…

    I cannot wait for tomorrow’s revolution to begin…

  9. ADMIN…thanks for the great post and terrific Hillary’s army/fans video…I love it…

    GEEKLOVE08…I love your video too…thanks

  10. It’s All or Nothing
    Posted at 8:05 pm under Uncategorized

    There is no acceptable compromise for half-the-delegates vs. no delegates. Florida and Michigan are about basic democratic Rights, not Fake Nazi Totalitarian “Rules” which favor our lanky wanna-be Fuhrer.

    Full delegations, and nothing less! We wont recreate 1933, 1968, 2000 and 2004!!!!

    I know Hussein0 is stupid, and I needed no proof that his followers in their entirety, are dumber than dumb. Like Hussein0’s allies in Iran and Cuba and North Korea, with whom little Duce wants to chit-chat and resolve Global Problems while incapable of resolving basic domestic issues of voting rights, the Duce’s flocks couldn’t be bothered to even spit in the direction of Solidarity with Florida and Michigan voters. How else do you explain the media’s totalitarian one-sided handling of Florida and Michigan?! How else can you explain to regular Americans, why the only position regularly beamed into our living rooms on FL and MI is 100% pro-Obama and 1000% anti-Democratic!! The Media Hos run an HBO show about Florida in 2000, and then do a no show on 2008. If there was ever a more vile media campaign to steal votes, we are seeing it before our very eyes! Really, do Experts (?) need more proof of MSM manipulation!?

    What gives? Reinstating FL and MI delegations now, rather than in August, will enrich Hussein as it enriches Clinton. It’s not as if she gets the votes, and he doesn’t. There is always the Edwards residue, from Florida. Then the “uncommitted” charade from Michigan.

    Unless of course, we follow the rules as inerrently as the little Nazis running roughshod over Michigan and Florida’s electorate claim to be doing right now. Those rules, state that “Uncommitted” means… guess what ignorant Obamasluts – it means “uncommitted”! If your Fuhrer-Messiah takes his name off the ballot, in solidarity not with voters, but poorly interpreted and understood draconian DNC rules, then why should “uncommitted” suddenly become “Obama”? Or are Obamadorks suggesting that the “rules” suddenly don’t matter? Ah, those sweet little rules… the rules… the rules…or rather ignorance of the rules- like in Nazi Germany, where ignorance of basic Human Rights and Democracy, were the Rules – and no Rules other than such Rules of Pure Ignorance, were tolerated!

    If we talk “rules,” then Obamacretins have to explain, why out of six states which moved their Primaries forward, only two were penalized? If you talk rules, why penalize two states, where Republican controlled legislatures, made it impossible for them to not violate the “rules” you claim to understand!?

    I totally disagree with Gregory’s conclusion in yesterday’s post. No, we cannot accept a “reduced” or “half” delegation! Not only is it moraly and ethically wrong (which means nothing to Obamasluts, since they are ethically and morally wrong) – but it is strategically suicidal for us!

    Strategically, Clinton cannot afford to give Il Duce the advantage of giving any delegates. Even if a half-delegation keeps the majority pledged delegates out of Hussein’s hands – remember, the less pledged delegates we have, the more superdelegates we need to win the nomination! So no, its strategically impossible, for us to cede even one delegate, let alone a hundred.

    Granted, Clinton can eventually agree to grant Obama-Osama Michigan’s “Uncommitted” votes, simply by refusing to claiming them. But we cannot under any circumstances agree to any dilution of a Primary direct vote. Half a FL and MI delegation is historically unprecedented! The General Election may hinge on the slimmest of margins, and we’ve already been here before!

    In 2000, it was Florida. A few thousand votes, rushed it into the Supreme Court, and please, let’s not repeat the Al Gore/Lieberman fiasco! The Republicans are tough, and Al Gore was not.

    In 2004 it was Ohio. Voters were cheated, defrauded, and a few congressional investigations later, we were told to “get over it”. Democrats, the supine losers that we are, did.

    Enough is enough. Not this time! In 2008 we are not dealing with a wuss like Al Gore, or John Kerry! Come on people, we’ve got a Clinton, and a Rodham, we’ve got a Hillary!!!

    2008 will not be 2004, 2000, or 1933! We are tired of having our votes stolen, diluted, or deliberated upon by a few select judges! This time it all or nothing! If we don’t get our Florida and Michigan votes – some of us will unregister from the Democratic Party all together!

    Historically, Democrats have threatened to shut out a state’s delegation in almost every single Presidential Election. Historically we have never, NEVER, carried out on that threat. It’s strategic suicide, with repercussions far beyond the states in question, and no matter how you spin it, its legality is questionable. It is as hard to prove sanctions being legal, as it is to prove them being illegal, but when winners are determined on the margin, make no mistake, keeping Florida and Michigan from the Denver Convention, would send the clearest, loudest, starkest message to the world, unparalleled by anything in 2000 or 2004, that America is not a democracy, that our parties differ little from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or sham elections under Bath party in Iraq.

    2000/2004 were techicalities, 2008 is sheer unadulterated totalitarianism.

    I doubt tomorrow we will get what we want from the DNC – because we’ve got an eight year legacy of cowards sitting in these committees. Clinton supporters need to set our sights on Denver. In August, the DNC will smell the barrel of the November Gun. If it chooses to play Russian roulette, so be it – we won’t have any part in it. More likely, the DNC will piss its pants and beg Clinton loyalists to vote Democrat in the GE.

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, will anger pro-Clinton loyalist more, than a reduced, partial, or unrecognized Michigan and Florida delegation at Denver. The McCain exodus will be virtually guaranteed in such a scenario. In Denver, we will get our way, and don’t you doubt it.

    Reasonably, the DNC should act tomorrow to resolve this crisis and not hold off till Denver. Give the Maggot his Uncommitted dullards, in exchange Florida and Michigan voters Suffrage. Failing to do so on May 31st, will guarantee hemorrhage in August. Some won’t forgive the unreasonable tension, and limbo, into which the voters of these FL an MI were thrown to satisfy the personal ego of morally decrepit, lying, incompetent, arrogant, ignorant “articulate and clean” bamboozler. Such insult, will not go away with belated apologies. It’s Do or Die, and All or Nothing.
    http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=467#more-467

  11. No Quarter and Buck Naked Politics have the video up of the August DNC rules meeting where the DNC took everything from Florida…prepare to be disgusted with these control freaks and their rules…not a care to the voters or the position Florida was in with Republican control…it is all about their rules and punishing florida…check it out…

  12. FOXNews.com
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008

    Clinton Insists Democratic Race Is ‘Long Way’ From Over, Looks Toward Convention

    ……….. “Let’s have the Democratic party go on record against seating the Michigan and Florida delegations…………”

    This says it all…if the democratic party rejects voters, voters can reject the democratic party!

  13. Good Morning!

    I just reviewed the Chicago Sun-Times site and read Lynn Sweet artical about Rev Pfleger, not “Breaking News” by any means, I am not sure what she ment last night on Greta, about having breaking news??

  14. ADMIN

    I have been unable to post on this thread using my firefox browzer the page is all messed up ……so i tried Int. explorer (which i dislike alot) and everything is normal

    all previous threads are fine with firefox by the way its just this thread.

    can you fix this?? i really would like to be able to use firefox
    Thanks!! 😀

  15. online.wsj.com/article/SB121219030144534313.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    The Argument for Nominating Hillary
    By LANNY J. DAVIS
    May 31, 2008

    After the votes are in from Puerto Rico tomorrow and South Dakota and Montana on Tuesday, neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton will be able to make a facts-based case that they represent a significant majority of grass-roots Democrats.

    Chances are Sens. Obama and Clinton will virtually split the more than 4,400 delegates – including Florida and Michigan – elected by more than 34 million people over the past five months.

    Sen. Clinton has already won the most votes, but there is controversy over including the over 300,000 votes from Michigan, since Sen. Obama was not on the ballot (by his own choice). But if Sen. Clinton wins a substantial victory in Puerto Rico tomorrow – with an expected record turnout exceeding two million voters – she could well end up with more popular votes than Sen. Obama, even if Michigan’s primary votes are excluded.

    Worst case, she could come out with a 2% deficit in elected pledged delegates. But that gap can be made up, if most of the remaining 200 or so unpledged superdelegates decide to support Sen. Clinton as the strongest candidate against John McCain – or if others committed to Sen. Obama decide to change their minds for the same reason. A number of superdelegates previously committed to Sen. Clinton later announced support for Sen. Obama, so it’s certainly possible that, when confronted with growing evidence that Sen. Clinton is stronger than Sen. McCain, they might switch back.

    The final argument for Hillary comes down to three points – with points one and two leading to the third.

    First, Sen. Clinton is more experienced and qualified to be president than is Sen. Obama. This is not to say Sen. Obama cannot be a good, even great, president. I believe he can. But Sen. Clinton spent eight years in the White House. She was not a traditional first lady. She was involved in policy and debate on virtually every major domestic and foreign policy decision of the Clinton presidency, both “in” and “outside” the room with her husband. She has been a U.S. senator for eight years and has a record of legislative accomplishments, including as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    With no disrespect or criticism intended, Sen. Obama has been an Illinois state senator for eight years and a U.S. senator for just four years. He has, understandably, fewer legislative accomplishments than Sen. Clinton. That’s just a fact. Therefore, it is reasonable to argue that Sen. Clinton would be less vulnerable to criticism from Sen. McCain on the “experience” issue.

    Second, Sen. Clinton’s position on health care gives her an advantage over Sen. McCain. Her proposal for universally mandated health care based primarily on private insurance and individual choices is a stark contrast to Sen. McCain’s total reliance on private market insurance, HMOs or emergency rooms for the 45 million or more uninsured. Sen. Obama’s position, while laudable in its objective, does not mandate universal care and, arguably, won’t challenge Sen. McCain as effectively as will Sen. Clinton’s plan.

    Despite the fact that Sen. Obama’s campaign made the Iraq war a crucial issue in the Iowa caucuses and early primaries, there has never been a significant difference between his position and Sen. Clinton’s. Sen. Obama deserves credit for opposing military intervention in Iraq while he was running for the state senate in early 2002.

    But in 2004, Sen. Obama said he “did not know” how he would have voted on the war resolution had he been a senator at the time. That summer he told the Chicago Tribune: “There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage” of the Iraq War. (This is a statement that Sen. Clinton would not have made.) While he served in the Senate, he voted 84 out of 85 times the same as Sen. Clinton on Iraq-war related votes. The only exception is when he supported President Bush’s position on the promotion of a general that Sen. Clinton opposed.

    Third and finally, there is recent hard data showing that, at least at the present time, Sen. Clinton is a significantly stronger candidate against Sen. McCain among the general electorate (as distinguished from the more liberal Democratic primary and caucus electorate).

    According to Gallup’s May 12-25 tracking polling of 11,000 registered voters in all 50 states plus Washington, D.C., Sen. Clinton is running stronger against Sen. McCain in the 20 states where she can claim popular-vote victory in the primaries and caucuses. In contrast, Sen. Obama runs no better against Sen. McCain than does Sen. Clinton in the 28 states plus D.C. where he has prevailed. “On this basis,” Gallup concludes: “Clinton appears to have the stronger chance of capitalizing on her primary strengths in the general election.”

    The 20 states, Gallup points out, not only encompass more than 60% of the nation’s voters, but “represent more than 300 Electoral College votes while Obama’s 28 states and the District of Columbia represent only 224 Electoral College votes.” Sen. Clinton leads Sen. McCain in these 20 states by seven points (50%-43%), while Sens. Obama and McCain are pretty much tied. But in the 26 states plus D.C. that Sen. Obama carried in the primaries/caucuses, he and Sen. Clinton are both statistically tied with Sen. McCain (Clinton 45%-McCain 47%; Obama 45%-McCain 46%).

    Gallup’s state-by-state polling in seven key battleground “purple” states also shows Sen. Clinton winning cumulatively in these states by a six-point margin (49%-43%) over Sen. McCain, while Sen. Obama loses to Sen. McCain by three points – a net advantage of 9% for Sen. Clinton. These key seven states – constituting 105 electoral votes – are Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Mexico, Arkansas, Florida and Michigan.

    Meanwhile, Sen. Obama holds about an equal advantage over Sen. McCain in six important swing states that he carried in the primaries and caucuses – Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Missouri. But these constitute less than half – 54 – of the electoral votes of the larger states in which Sen. Clinton is leading.

    The latest state-by-state battleground polls (published May 21-23) by other respected polling organizations verify Gallup’s findings that Sen. Clinton is significantly stronger against Sen. McCain in the key states that a Democrat must win to gain the presidency. According to various poll data within the last 10 days:

    – Pennsylvania: Sen. Clinton leads McCain 50%-39%; Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain are effectively tied.

    – Ohio: Sen. Clinton leads Sen. McCain 48%-41%, Sen. Obama is down 44%-40%.

    – Florida: Sen. Clinton leads Sen. McCain 47%-41%; Sen. McCain leads Sen. Obama 50%-40%. (Sen. Clinton has a net advantage of 16 points!)

    – North Carolina: Despite a substantial primary victory, Sen. Obama is down 8% vs. Sen. McCain, (51%-43%), while Sen. Clinton leads by 6% (49%-43%).

    – Nevada: Sen. Clinton up 5%, Sen. Obama down 6%.

    Even the theory that Sen. Obama can open up significant numbers of “red” states has not been borne out by recent polling. For example: in Virginia, which Sen. Obama won substantially in the Feb. 12 Democratic primary, he is currently down in at least one recent, respected poll by a significant 9% margin – one point greater than the 8% margin Sen. Clinton is behind Sen. McCain.

    Finally, one unfortunate argument is making the rounds lately to convince superdelegates to go for Sen. Obama. That is the prediction that if Sen. Obama is not the nominee, African-American and other passionate Obama supporters will conclude that the nomination had been “stolen” and will walk out of the convention or stay at home. On the other side are the many women and others strongly committed to Sen. Clinton promising that if she is denied the nomination, they will refuse to vote for Sen. Obama.

    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are progressive, pro-civil rights, pro-affirmative action, pro-choice Democrats. Neither Obama supporters nor Clinton supporters who care about the issues, the Supreme Court, and the need to begin withdrawing from Iraq can truly mean they will actively or passively help Sen. McCain get elected. Threats of walkouts or stay-at-homes by good Democrats are not the answer, nor should they be a factor in superdelegate decisions.

    But there is one possible scenario that avoids disappointment and frustration by passionate supporters of both candidates, that combines the strengths of one with the strengths of the other, and that virtually guarantees the election of a Democratic president in 2008:

    A Clinton-Obama or an Obama-Clinton ticket.

    Stay tuned.

    Mr. Davis, former special counsel to President Clinton in 1996-98, is a longtime friend and supporter of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

  16. Leaders are Leaders because people are inspired to follow them. The only people following the DNC leadership are the SD.

    Someone needs to tell them that they are Leaders of the Popular vote first, and the SDs second.

    In todays electronic world, there will not be a back room deal, like there has been with the SDs, in conjuntion with the seating of MI and FL. Today the true voters of this Democracy will be watching you live or in re-runs, today and for years to come.

    The Democratic Party belongs to the people, the people do not belong to the Democratic Party.

  17. Obama’s painful new headache

    May 31, 2008
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    LYNN SWEET blogs.suntimes.com/sweet

    WASHINGTON — The Rev. Michael Pfleger’s “I’m white! I’m entitled … black man stealing my show” outburst about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton from the pulpit of the Obama family church, Trinity United Church of Christ, created a political problem for likely Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama that won’t disappear.

    Pfleger’s crusades against guns, prostitution, porn and tobacco have made good copy for years for a fairly admiring local press corps hooked on cheering for the underdog, the poor and the powerless.
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    The Rev. Michael Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ – earning him a reprimand from Sen. Barack Obama as his comments threaten to resurrect the politically radioactive Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue.
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    Cardinal clamps down on Pfleger

    Pfleger is the subject of a documentary being made by Chicago-based David Axelrod, Obama’s top strategist. On Friday, Axelrod told me in an e-mail that the film project has “been dormant for much of the last two years due to other commitments.”

    Pfleger — a headline-making household name in Chicago — steps onto a national stage at a time an international press corps is making trips to Chicago to dig into Obama’s life to learn more about the man who may be president.

    As the song goes, everything old is new again. CNN just did an “investigative” piece on how Obama knocked former state Sen. Alice Palmer (D-Chicago) off the ballot so he could run for her seat in 1996 without opposition. That Pfleger welcomed Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to his St. Sabina Church on the South Side — of interest to out-of-town reporters — hardly caused a stir in the city because Farrakhan has long lived in Chicago and, well, he’s part of the scene, having preached from his own mosque for decades.

    With that context, consider the headache Pfleger created for Obama, whom Pfleger told me last April he has known since Obama came to Chicago as a community organizer.

    • • Pfleger’s divisive comments about Clinton come as Obama has been trying to reach out to working-class white voters who in the later primaries have trended toward Clinton. Pfleger’s emergence as an issue comes as Obama’s team is trying to close the gap.

    • • Pfleger spoke from the Trinity pulpit, of all places, where the inflammatory Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached for decades. Pfleger creates an excuse to revisit the Wright controversy. A GOP strategist told me they will use Pfleger from now until November as an Obama “troubling connection.”

    • • The disrespectful treatment of Clinton by Pfleger comes as some Clinton backers are trying — at least for now — to drive a wedge between women and Obama. In Milwaukee, presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain said, “I think that kind of language and that kind of treatment, of Sen. Clinton, is unwarranted, uncalled for and disgraceful.”

    • • Chicago’s Cardinal Francis George muzzled Pfleger at a time when the Obama campaign is also trying to win over Catholics.

  18. Yes Mr. Davis, I “truly mean” I will actively or passively help McCain get elected if BHO is given the nomination. Yes Mr. Davis, I “truly mean” I will not vote party line if BHO is given the nomination by Pelosi/Dean/Reed/Brazille and the other shove it down our throats party elitists.

    Here’s for you…, it’s the mysogyny, the rudeness, the unfair selective rules, the intimidation, the sexism, the race baiting, the BM, the unbalanced weight of caucus delegates and the party leadership…stupid.

    I’ll wait til 2012 to deal with the issues that effect my life, and god knows thats gonna hurt, but not as much as this primary season has and the incompetence of the DNC.

  19. Iam pretty sure that no one affiliated with Hillarys campaign can openly state that her supporters will defect…….they have to atleast look like they are uniting the party..

    just consider that for a moment before you jump on what lanny (i feel had to say) i don’t think he believes it how ever

  20. Djia, I don’t see anything new in the Chicago Sun-Times, she hasn’t put today news up yet! Have you heard this?

  21. I had to shut down the Washington Journal, the bots were busy taking up the talking, they were disgusting as usual!!

  22. confloyd……….iam not sure but i think this is it here

    Pfleger is the subject of a documentary being made by Chicago-based David Axelrod, Obama’s top strategist. On Friday, Axelrod told me in an e-mail that the film project has “been dormant for much of the last two years due to other commitments.”

  23. Oh well, I thought it might be a little more exciting than that! I can now put back c-span, the idiots are off.

  24. i agree Debbie

    i’m fed up with the DNC

    the only person I respect and trust is Hillary

    The DNC won’t get a dime or a dime of my time

  25. Dean mentions sexism in the media but says there has been racism in the campaign–no mention of media–referring to Hillary I think

  26. that was just a bunch of flower words and a whole lot of Wishful speaking……too bad dean you will not get us back

  27. Yea, who ever this woman is, she telling everyone how she and rest stacked the deck for bambi!!

  28. yep, she’s making excuses…….just wait till hill camp brings out the real rules and throws them in their face and tells the TRUTH 😀

  29. Obama’s unfavourable rating 53%:Rasmussen Poll:

    Obama’s numbers are 45% favorable and 53% unfavorable (see recent daily ratings). Those figures represent Obama’s lowest ratings of the year. His favorability ratings peaked at 56% in mid-February. Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while 37% have a Very Unfavorable view.

    Voters see McCain as the candidate most likely to reach across party lines and work effectively with both Republicans and Democrats.

    On the question of voter trust, McCain retains a slight edge over Obama when it comes to the economy and the War in Iraq. The GOP candidate holds a wide edge on National Security issues. These figures have changed little over the past month. However, generically, Democrats tend to be trusted more than Republicans on a whole range of key issues before the nation.

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  30. clintondem……I am sure his unfavorable rating will be much lower in the next polling after pfleger tapes circulate 😀

  31. The woman who was speaking is Alexis Herman who served in President Clinton’s administration.

  32. admin, i was going to mention the hillaryis44 format changed but as mentioned above the firefox search engine is having problems. i went back to my regular aol. working fine now on aol but not firefox.

  33. Dean mentions sexism in the media but says there has been racism in the campaign–no mention of media–referring to Hillary I think.
    ————————————————
    American gal: Dean knows there has been racism in the campaign, it has come from the Obama camp and anyone who doubts this should read Race Man (Wilentz) inter alia.

    Dean knows there has been sexism in the campaign, it has come from the Obama camp and anyone who doubts this should read Hating Hillary (Stefan) inter alia.

  34. I am really confused by the negative ratings by Rassmussen on Bambi. If memory serves he was the one who told us to know me is to love me. In fact the more of that blank canvass gets filled in the more people do not like what they see.

  35. THIS IS WAR!!!

    Never give up and Never give in….the self serving IDIOTS running the DNC can’t hide in the darkness any more but must come out into the lights of cameras and show their contempt in the American Voters.

    Just disgraceful.

    Why is Nancy Pelosi still in OFFICE and I speak as a Californian!!!!

  36. ADMIN:

    ok now in IE this site is different too, atleast i can still post

    but the page is structured differently, its white with blue print and laid out differently

    but not totally messed up like with firefox

  37. Let me say this….THE DNC would NEVER treated California like they did Florida and Michigan….NEVER!!!!

    Because they KNOW Californians wouldn’t TAKE that SHIT!!! It would be sucide for them to TAKE CALIFORNIANS votes for GRANTED and they KNOW if they did what they are doing to FL and MI, it would be OVER for them.

    Obama couldn’t play the race card like he has all over the country…he had to campaigned like everybody else in the HISTORY of our state and the better person won they state.

    Nancy Pelosi and the rest of those clowns didn’t help Ofaker at all….he still lost 50 counties out of 58. Don’t be surprise if he loses to McCain this November if he is the nominee.

    Nancy Pelosi has to GO!!! She has been a MAJOR disappointment as a leader.

  38. Meiyingsu, I live in SoCal….so I can’t help you BUT for those living in her district…FIRE HER ASS!!!!!

  39. Game over move would have been to have a video link of soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq from Fl and MI asking why their votes do not count.

  40. maybe this Althena lady could give Obama some tips on how to give a speech without a teleprompter!

  41. Donna Brazile and Howard Dean are leading us over the clift. Like I said, they’re taking the voters faith in our party and stepping all over their face in their ambitions.

    Donna Brazile would rather lose in November AGAIN!!!

  42. I’m not sure I’m understanding what Brazile is saying but if she is talking about somehow the Florida vote isn’t valid because some voters may have not gone to the polls (because they knew it didn’t count) but despite that need to be represented, than can Hillary make this same arguement with the caucuses where people wanted to vote but by the very structure of it could not because the system isn’t flexible enough to accomodate work schedules etc?

  43. Donna, trying to cover her ass…. making sure everyone is under the umbrella,(white,black middle class ect…)

  44. American Gal: There were other measures on the ballot to vote for. So, some people didn’t vote, that was their choice. The majority of the people did vote. It was a record turnout. Donna is the last one, who should be talking about disenfranchisement of voters.

  45. Donna is an idiot, even my brother who is an Obama supporter doesn’t believe he has the experience as Hillary Clinton but he can’t let go of the dream….the first Black POTUS said Donna Brazile need to sit down and shut up.

    He can’t stand to watch her on CNN and he has MAJOR respect for Hillary.

  46. I don’t understand how you can argue that the people who didn’t vote are not being heard. They didn’t vote so they didn’t want to be heard.

  47. Because some people did not vote, they want to disenfranchise 2.3 million voters? Give me a break.

  48. what a joke the obama campaign is, thinking obama should be commended for asking that 50% be restored

  49. This is a repeat of 1964 and Ofaker has reincarnated brains of Hubert H. Humphrey’s 50-50 solution.

    Remember Fannie Lou Hammer: “I get sick in tired of being sick in tired.”

    But Obambi is NOT Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson and will not be elected in November if he is the nominee.

  50. I have been told by people who know him that Wexler is not a genius. Also I recall he had some involvement with an investment guy who lost alot of money for widows and orphans. This fact is noted in the Alamanac of American Politics. I would be more precise about that incident, but I loaned my copy out. If you have one yourself it is worth taking a look at. Appaently he survived it because he was reelected. It is fitting perhaps that he should be the one speaking for Obama.

  51. Oh yeah Obama, preaching unity on Florida, what a fuckwit.

    A Florida democrat not fighting for his state, he needs removing in Nov.

  52. Some did not vote, sorry they should have come. Your right how about those caucas states, not everyone got to vote!

  53. Wexler is not a very good speaker, he looks like he’s gets frustrated, answer the question.

    No you have not. He want say he would oppose.

  54. The best thing to happen was putting the spotlight on these COWARDs and TRAITORS to our democratic values.

    It’s been very eye opening to see all the snakes comes out of hiding in the DNC….well, some of them and circumvent the voters wishes.

    What punks and to see our young men and women fighting for us and our country values being led by these arrogant stormtroopers marching to the beat of Marxism and not the U.S. Constitution.

    Pathetic!!!

  55. wow tina was awesome with that question ” would you accept 100% delegate reinstatement” and wexler would not answer it!!

    Obama camp exposed as the voter disenfranchisers that they are!!!

  56. Support Wexler’s opponent in November. Wexler is not acting in the best interest of Florida just his candidate.

    hwww.graberforcongress.com/

  57. If so many people did not vote (according to DB), then why was a revote denied? That would have brought more voters in. Hmmm……

  58. Wexler is looking just like a stooge. I hope Floridians are going to sling his ass out in Nov.

  59. Molly-all he was trying to do was leave the question hanging in the air-namely that his 50% reduction proposal and fair reprentation are mutually exclusive concepts which cannot live together under the same roof such that dearly beloved bambi is a disenfranhisor. Simply put the question was rhetorical.

  60. He’s trying to have every vote counted and then doesnt want to do it, he’s been to Obama school.

  61. Alice Huffman got served by Obama….we know this pattern very well. He is going to blame Howard Dean and the DNC for this debacle after listening to Wexler “chicken shit” speech.

  62. What a kangeroo court. Everyone on the Bambi team is leaving out the voter. Its not about Hillary or Obama, its about the voters! What Bullc&*p!

  63. I can’t tell if this is going well for Hillary or its just theatrics and they’ll screw her anyway, i’m going for option 2.

  64. You really get the feeling none of these people want to be here. So sourfaced its unbelievable.

  65. Remember it’s ALL or DENVER!!! History is being made today under the bright lights and we will know how much work need to be done to fix our party.

  66. The DNC have to be careful,

    There we have it

    the facts about Michigan, Hillary was not the only person on Michigans ballot.

    Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich and Clinton, THIS WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE DNC TO REMOVE YOUR NAME.

  67. Wexler is looking just like a stooge.
    ———————————————–
    yes, it is called transparency. But as stooges go he is sure as hell as blustering one. If I was one of his elderly constituents I would turn my hearing aid off when I saw him coming for fear he would blow out my eardrums when he said ” Hi my name is Wexler moneys the name disenfrancishment is the game now give me your vote”.

  68. Fuck off, No Delegates for Obama, why should he get any.

    Actually if they are going to do that, they need to give some to Edwards and the rest.

  69. You really get the feeling none of these people want to be here. So sourfaced its unbelievable.
    *****************************************************
    Yeah, they don’t want to be there under the glare of transparency and be held accountable for this debacle.

    Everything is being put on the record in view of the people of the United States and the world.

  70. these arguments based on exit polls are quite flimsy. We all know how reliable exit polls are.

  71. he just said exit polls showed that 75% of the 40% of uncommitted votes were for obama and 25% of that 40% was for John Edwards…….stands to reason that IF…they go against what the rules say! and allocate uncommitted votes PRIOR to the
    convention (which is legally the only place they can then choose a candidate) that they should be following the Exit polls

    not what they “wish” for in order to stack in favor of obama

  72. Was that exiting polling data certified? Who took that data? Who held it, analyzed it! This guy ought to work for MSNBC

  73. Ar they seriously trying to say this, i mean what the fuck?

    They are making voting figures up now. Sure can i guess the numbers now.

  74. elaine kamarck: uncommitted is a vote for no one, bound to no one

    if we start setting a presidence of taking polling data from here and there and start assigning delegates accordingly we are in trouble !

  75. yep as his lead in to asking his question to mi as to how they think they can take exit polls into account to assign delegates LOL

  76. Hillary’s camp can shock them all and say seat all the delegates uncommitted since the delegate slates have already been selected she wins.

  77. Ickies…… some say…..that some with drew their name on the MI ballot to appease some in states like Iowa

    round of applause!!!

  78. Go Ickes! Point outs through question that taking name off ballot was entirely voluntary…and some candidates were trying to win favor in Iowa

  79. moononpluto it is thomas hynes hes a member from IL for DNC hes an obama supporter

  80. thomas hynes trying to say some who voted for hillary shouldn’t count as they would have voted for her opponent had he been on the ballot……………….now that is laughable!!!

  81. Exixt poll data does not matter. In a horse race if a horse is scratched and the race run, the owner of the scratched horse can not go to officials after the race and say the prize money should be split because I pulled my horse out of the race.

  82. I wonder why Ickes asked Wexler about Reflection and then stopped? Did anyone else notice that after this he actually left the table.

  83. OandrewD I did notice that too

    I have no idea what that was about…….but would like to know

  84. well the thing that pisses me off,
    is as a union member, i volunteer my time every election, to not
    only talk to our huge union presence on our job site,
    but also we go out to the public, and sign up as many people
    as possible for early voting…

    the hope is that the elderly, the sick, the unavailable, and those who live far from a voting spot. not to mention working and poor, have the priveledge of voting.

  85. If I hear one more time how many voters didn’t vote because they believed us, I will explode. Who the hell believes any politician to begin with, therefore no one believed you!!!

  86. Hillary was standing up for the rights of MI voters to have a say. Somebody needs to bring that out.

  87. I had to leave just as Michigan was coming up, were there any sparks? Looks to me like there is great division among the rules committee!
    The Obama camp seem very agressive and argumentative, does anyone else think so?

  88. Ickes equates fair reflection to the First Amendment. This is really important argument.

  89. “equates” it in terms of being fundamental. Now he’s on exit polls. He is very good. Can see why he was deputy Chief of Staff for the Clinton administration.

  90. confloyd
    Levin was good, he pretty much put all the blame on NH and the rules committee itself for breaking their own rules by allowing NH the change the date of their primary to jump aheand of NV and SC.

  91. personally I do not think Bob Wexler did a good job…yes he was characteristically passionate, but yelling with the support of a lot of Obama supporters yelling in the background does not mean he was making any sense…

    he was the first one to take the dialogue into the blatant ‘political’ realm and making it about Obama vs Hillary while contradicting himself talking about unity…

    he sounded like ‘unity by intimidation’

    …and just reminds all the hillary supporters of all the anger and rage in the Obama camp…guess that is the reason Obama chose him…I truly suspect that he is supporting obama and vying for something in the administration…because Bob Wexler is arguing against himself…

    Tina Flourney (sp) succeeded in producing the ‘deer in the headlights’ moment of the morning session…she shot fear into Bob Wexler…and you could see it written all over his face

    …his presentation was a talking contradiction

  92. I’m working on some bumper stickers and such, have a cafepress shop as hillaryormccain.

    Can I use

    F*CK UNITY!

    lol

  93. why not seat all MI delegates as uncommitted and go to convention ……. because we all know they will flow like trout up stream to hillary 😀

  94. djia
    That’s what I have been saying seat them all as umcommitted. The slate has already been certified and Hillary actually won some of the uncommittee delegates in addition to her own delegates.

  95. Yep s, I noticed some fear in the Obama and his surrogates as all of the speeches took place. It should be noted by the stupid committee that the party is split. No doubt its split!

  96. Tuesday May Not End Democratic Fight
    By AMY CHOZICK
    May 31, 2008; Page A5

    CHICAGO — With just three more Democratic primaries and a rules committee meeting remaining, many expect the long race for the Democratic presidential nomination to end on Tuesday. But will it?

    Sen. Barack Obama says the general election campaign will begin after South Dakota and Montana hold primaries on Tuesday and that the Democratic Party will have its nominee. When asked whether he will be that nominee, the front-runner told reporters on Wednesday, “I believe so.”

    Sen. Obama is 44 delegates shy of clinching the nomination and leads Sen. Hillary Clinton by 200 delegates, according to the Associated Press tally. He has 1,982, to her 1,782, and 2,026 are needed for the nomination under current rules.

    Associated Press
    Hillary Clinton spoke at a campaign event in Huron, S.D., in anticipation of the June 3 South Dakota primary election.
    But that doesn’t mean Sen. Clinton will be delivering a concession speech next week. The former first lady is favored to win the Puerto Rico primary on Sunday. A big victory there, combined with strong showings in Montana and South Dakota where Sen. Obama is favored, would put Sen. Clinton ahead in the popular vote, according to her campaign, which counts the votes from the disputed contests in Florida and Michigan and excludes caucus states. Most independent tallies of the popular vote put Sen. Obama ahead.

    Clinton aides are also quick to point out that after the Democratic National Committee’s rules and bylaws panel meets on Saturday to work out a compromise to the long-running dispute over Michigan and Florida, more than 2,026 delegates will be needed to secure the nomination. The two states violated party rules by holding primaries ahead of schedule in January and were stripped of their delegates to the August convention.

    “Voting will be over [on Tuesday] but it’s very unlikely the nomination will be secured,” says Clinton campaign strategist Geoff Garin.

    Several members of the rules and bylaws committee have said that half of the 368 delegates from Michigan and Florida will be counted. The Clinton campaign had hoped all delegates would be seated and their votes distributed, based on the results of the two primaries, which she won. Sen. Obama’s name was not on the ballot in Michigan.

    Aides say Sen. Clinton could appeal the committee’s decision and fight until the convention in August. Several lawsuits have been filed to force the seating of the full Florida delegation, but they have been unsuccessful so far.

    WASHINGTON WIRE

    The Journal’s political team reports from the campaign trail. Latest posts:
    • Clinton Strategist: Obama Isn’t Entitled to Michigan Delegates
    • McCain Camp: A Tempest in a Verb Tense
    • Obama Surrogates Question McCain’s Understanding of Iraq
    • Scott McClellan: A Vote for Obama?
    • McCain on Warrantless Wiretapping
    • Obama’s Favorability Ratings Take a Hit
    • All campaign posts
    MORE

    Mr. Garin says Clinton aides will be aggressively reaching out to undecided superdelegates next week in hopes that a flood of support will save her candidacy. “It will be clear 2,026 will no longer be the magic number and superdelegates will have to start their decision-making about who would be the stronger candidate to defeat John McCain,” he says.

    Sen. Clinton may even begin campaigning in general election states next week. The campaign press office sent an email to reporters Thursday requesting that they sign up to travel with the candidate through June 6.

    Sen. Obama has shrugged off suggestions that the Democratic primary may not end next week. “This is fairly standard fare,” he told reporters on Wednesday. “I mean when [Michael] Dukakis won the nomination [in 1988] you know Jesse [Jackson] was still running until the convention. When Bill Clinton was running [in 1992], Jerry Brown was still technically in it.”

    While in both cases the challenger stayed in the race until the convention, neither had anywhere near the same level of support as Sen. Clinton. The New York senator has won 20 contests and has amassed roughly 16 million votes.

    “There aren’t a whole lot of recent models to look at where a severely wounded candidate stays in it,” says Republican pollster Glen Bolger.

    Sen. Obama has for the past several weeks been focused on Sen. McCain and the general election campaign, only mentioning Sen. Clinton to praise her and call for party unity.

    As Sen. Clinton campaigned in the remaining primary states this week, Sen. Obama visited New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado, states he hopes to turn Democratic in the general election. On Sunday, he plans events in Michigan, another key state.

    Write to Amy Chozick at amy.chozick@wsj.com
    http://www.online.wsj.com/article/SB121219668684234615.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

  97. Can not wait to see Wexler on youtube avoiding the question should all of Florida’s delegates be seated with full voting rights.

  98. debbie said: I’ll wait til 2012 to deal with the issues that effect my life, and god knows thats gonna hurt, but not as much as this primary season has and the incompetence of the DNC.
    ——————

    Right! Even if Hillary retired, I’d still vote down Obama so a REAL DEMOCRAT can run in 2012!

  99. Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for the update on what is happening at the DNC meeting. I hope that CSPAN repeats the entire hearing tonight. It was interesting watching the repeat of the April 2007 meeting last night.

    I really hope that common sense prevails. I sometimes have to shake my head in amazement at the people at the DNC. Are they not listening to the people? I just do not understand them.

    Admin, thanks for the excellent posts and thanks for this site. I have never posted on another site, so thanks for giving me this outlet.

    I wish I could post as frequently as the regulars do, but duty calls and I must obey. All of you keep me informed when I get a chance to check in.

    Paul (Universal), I could not believe the vitriol in the comment to you, it gave me an instant headache. You must be touching a nerve. DO NOT BACK DOWN!!

    ON TO DENVER!

  100. why does obama have to be apart of the slating process, his name was not on the ballot!

    he was NOT apart of that primary voting!

    so what right does he have?? essentially he has no votes or delegates

  101. i’ll go a bit further with that prediction

    in MI Uncommitted will remain Uncommitted and will not go to obama

  102. rjk1957 Says:

    May 31st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    Has anyone noticed brazille has not said anything since being booed?
    *****************************************************
    She better not say nothing…she has done ENOUGH damage to our party.

    A bunch of cynical tricksters and flim flam artists in the DNC leading our party and TAKING the VOTERS for GRANTED.

    We need to THROW Howard Dean off the BUS and Keep Nancy Pelosi to the curb with her terrible leadership…the Dems have nobody to blame for GWB then Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

  103. Lol, did I just hear the guy on CSPAN speaking for Hillary/Michigan just say something about super delegates changing back and forth by August?

  104. There were another 100,000 in WV who did not vote because they had been told that the election was over and obama was the nominee, what about them???

  105. I thought I saw a man next to Brazille say OMG, when she said Hillary was cheating, did you all see that?

  106. call in to C span

    202 585 3885 clinton supporters
    202 585 3886 obama supporters
    2020 585 3887 all others

  107. I thought I saw that too. I can not wait until the debate after lunch, Harold is going to rip Brazille a new asshole. She may not be able to sit again until after November.

  108. I thought I saw a man next to Brazille say OMG, when she said Hillary was cheating, did you all see that?
    *****************************************************
    They always call names WHEN they are losing….bad sports the Obamaites.

    Hillary Clinton supporters are now CHEATERS when they follow the rules and STILL beat OBAMBI to the ground and now that Obama’s wolfs in sheep clothing are being called out on their crap…Hillary supporters are cheating. What a bunch of WEAK AZZ PUNKS.

  109. okay what I ment to say is ,….. Donna tcomment about cheateing for Clinton or the state of MI??

  110. THIS IS WAR!!!!!

    BATTLE CRY: ALL or DENVER

    This SELLOUT will not fall in line and kiss Obambi ring….it ain’t gonna happen.

  111. She was talking to a Clinton supporter (Former MI Governor) saying changing the rules during the game is cheating. Implying that the Clinton camp is trying to cheat.

  112. Isn’t there some trial Tubin should be covering? How the hell did he become a CNN Senior political commentator? Where did he gain that experience from covering the OJ trial?

  113. ROTFL,

    I can’t believe the calls coming into CSPAN…geesh even the republicans want OBAMBI….bad.

  114. That last lady was obviously an Obama supporter saying she was a McCain supporter just to get on the air to say they should share the delegates..

  115. I saw that too Confloyd. It is so interesting that no one has a good answer as to why some candidates voluntarily removed their names while Hillary and others left theirs on and how it is within rules to give votes to a candidate who’s name VOLUNTARILY was taken of the ballot. Who can name a party “rule” that would allow giving votes to a candidate that took his name off the ballot. WTF…really off the reservation with that proposal!

  116. the weirdest thing to me was Wexler screaming for voters’ rights, but then saying only count 50%.

  117. Man! Is this the best freaking reality show ever?? I cannot wait till after lunch and deliberations start. Did you all see Stephanie Tubbs Jones? She rocks, and I love that she’s a Clevelander! 🙂

    Is it just me or is this website in blue and all screwed up for everyone else?

  118. shenanigans……. its like that for me using firefox browzer

    but i switched to IE and all is well

  119. Wexler was almost incoherent, and I agree that he made the Obama campaign look incredibly confrontational (surprise, surprise).

    Did you guys see Lynn Sweet’s article in the Chicago Sun Times today? Apparently Axelrod thinks so much of Father Pfleger, and admires him so much, that he’s FINANCING A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE GUY! :O

    So much for the Obama campaign’s transparent attempts to paint Pfleger as some rogue, unknown guy. Obama called Pfleger his own “spiritual advisor,” and now we know that Axelrod is making movies about the guy?

  120. Crap, it is the best reality show I have ever seen, I even went to town to get some beer to enjoy the show. Hell, by the end of the day, there may be a fist fight. We can always hope. Ickes, looks like he’s ready to kick some arsh!!

  121. I am sick of Wexler slamming his fist on the table! Man is he ready for a fight I wish the hell I was there, I would like to ablidge him!

  122. BV

    yep i posted that article up thread………but i think and am hopeful that there will be alot more on that guy and others to come 😀

  123. Has anyone heard how the Communist News Network is handling the news of this? Have they shown the protesters outside, I have been watching C-span, I don’t want to hear the freaking pundits?

  124. Are we taking bets on the outcome of MI after lunch? I’m betting they will seat it as voted, leaving uncommitted “uncommitted” by rule, then give 1/2 vote power instead of full like they are talking about for Florida.

  125. Hillbillylover, I think you are right! I still hope Hillary takes it to the convention! Next week is the Texas convention and I am a delegate for Hillary. I just got a call from one of our Senate district 5 and i believe they are expecting some problems at the state level.

  126. I am sure that anything less than full delegation according to the votes hillary will take it to convention

    especially if uncommitted remains uncommitted

  127. A Clinton Hurricane Hits Outside the DNC Hearing Room
    May 31, 2008 2:05 PM

    There was a tornado watch outside the Democratic National Committee’s Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting at the Marriot Wardman Park Hotel Saturday afternoon. And there was a brewing storm inside the hotel as well.

    A group of public officials — allies of both Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama — walked out of the hearing room to discuss their willingness to come together on a plan to seat all their delegates, each voting at half-delegate status, but representatives of the Clinton campaign from outside Florida interrupted their press conference to dispute the idea that the Clinton campaign agreed with the plan.

    The “Florida unity” group, which included Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida, a Clinton supporter, Rep. Bob Wexler, D-Florida, am Obama supporter, and Florida Democratic National Committee member Jon Ausman of Tallahassee, who filed a challenge to the DNC’s decision to not recognize any of Florida’s delegates.

    They seemed to come around the idea that for now the DNC would agree to seat Florida’s entire 211-member delegation at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August, though all the delegates — pledged and superdelegates — would have their vote count as half a delegate. The move would net Clinton 19 pledged delegates. Participants seemed to agree that the door was open to the eventual Democratic nominee seating them at full strength if he or she so chose.

    Clinton campaign surrogate Lanny Davis stood outside the circle and interrupted, raising his voice in protest that the Clinton campaign had agreed to anything less than a 100% seating of the delegates at 100% of their strength.

    Nelson noted that he was speaking “on behalf of the voters of Florida,” not on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

    “They’re misrepresenting our stance,” Davis said repeatedly.

    Then Arthenia L. Joyner, Clinton’s designated Florida representative, approached the circle.

    “The campaign is only for 100%,” Joyner said.

    Davis and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, a fiery supporter of Sen. Clinton’s, exchanged some heated words with Ausman after the Florida DNC member suggested they had no business speaking.

    Davis took issue with some from the Florida unity group saying the Obama campaign’s concession was “generous” since Clinton would net 19 delegates.

    “That is not generous when they take away 50%,” Davis said. “That is spin!”

    What’s wrong with netting 19 delegates? “It’s 19 less than the people of Florida voted,” Davis said.

    This was more than Florida DNC member Ausman could apparently take. “I can say they’re being generous,” Ausman said of the Obama campaign, “and I’m the one who filed the petition.”

    “Are you a paid staff member for Clinton?” Ausman asked Davis.

    “Actually I’m just a friend,” said Davis.

    “Are you a designated representative of the Clinton campaign?” Ausman, who may be a foot taller than Davis, asked.

    “I am not,” Davis said.

    “Why don’t you let the designated representative speak for Clinton and you be silent?” Ausman said, more a statement than a question. “Are you from Florida?”

    “Why don’t you go about your business?” Jones asked Ausman.

    “As a matter of fact I will not be silent,” Davis said, “you’re not going to silence me.”

    “You had your interview,” interjected Jones. “Why don’t you let someone else be interviewed? I am the designated representative for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. My name is Stephanie Tubbs Jones and I represent the great state of Ohio.

    “We don’t expect that the Obama campaign will be so ‘generous’ as to ‘give’ us the 19 delegates,” Jones continued. “It is in fact more generous and more appropriate to count all the votes as they were cast.”

    Jones would not comment on the Clinton campaign’s position that Obama be awarded zero delegates and zero popular votes from Michigan, where his name was not on the ballot.

    – jpt

  128. How is taking 4 delegates from Hillary in Michigan fair. What it sounds like is an affirmative action move, not a fair move.

  129. noquarter:
    *************************************************

    By TruthtellercloseAuthor

    Let us summarize Obama’s position: we must respect imaginary voters who would have or could have cast votes in Michigan and Florida, for if we do not respect these imaginary voters, we run the risk of disenfranchising voters who may or may not exist. It is a specious argument, especially as the Obama campaign’s victories were in caucus states. Is not his delegate count predicated on the systematic disenfranchisement of voters who would have participated but could not have participated in a caucus? What if those states held primaries? Should we, for example, reallocate the delegates in Nebraska and Washington state in order to reflect the outcomes of their respective primaries? After all, the delegate count as a result of their caucuses do not reflect the desires of the primary voters in those two states.

    Obama’s argument hinges on a series of hypotheticals, none of which can be substantiated with incontrovertible evidence. So now we are in the territory of known knowns (votes actually cast), known unknowns (we know people did not cast votes, but we do not know how many there are or why they chose not to participate), unknown knowns (we know write-in ballots exist in Michigan, but we do not know the desires of those voters) and unknown unknowns (the number of people who do not vote for whatever reason in any election). If the Committee restricts itself to evidence that can be viewed and analyzed, they will side with the Clinton campaign. If the Committee chooses to dwell on hypotheticals and on imaginary scenarios, they will side with Obama. Either we uphold democracy, or we undermine it in the name of Obama’s political fantasies.

  130. clearly with all these bots calling in on cpan trying to keep Mi and FL disenfranchised and the way wexler’s tantrum went…

    that they are totally scared that if those two states count they know obama will loose the nomination

    and the RBC/DNC knows that if they do not do the “right” thing Hillary will take it to the convention

    CHECK MATE!……YOU’RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE!!!

  131. several RBC members mentioned no one could have forseen the circumstances that would have lead to todays meeting. Noone could have forseen the closeness of this race. With that in mind, these are “extraordinary” circumstances and waivers to both FL & MI should be granted and all delegates seated with 100% of the votes. the loss of voter participation with the candidates, and the loss of revenue from the campaigning should be enough punishment to FL & MI.

    Further, I do not take pity on any person who has the right to vote and choses not to. If they had been blocked from casting their vote that would be one thing, but they decided to forgo their primary. I take my vote seriously and NO ONE can tell me it doesn’t count, because it counts to me, thats why I vote every election. Their excuse is so lame it makes me sick.

  132. if brazille keeps saying the law is the law, and its not made to be broken, than do what your mama said and:

    DONT ‘CHEAT’ AND GIVE HILLARYS VOTES TO OBAMA !!!!!!!

  133. BTD is convinced only half from FL will be seated and maybe none from MI. He says Hill made a mistake not arguing FL deserved safe harbor.

  134. They are real late from their lunch break, something is happening, maybe Bambi finally told them of all his skeletons! lol!!

  135. this is bullcrap!!! they were supposed to be back an hour ago!!

    then the shuttle now the presidents address!!

    WTF!!!!!!! this smells badly!!

  136. Hey Texan, do you think there will be a problem or two crop up at the convention next week? I am trying to get on the committee to rule on the problems with the caucas’s! Hope to meet you there!

  137. AmericanGal Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I’m not sure I’m understanding what Brazile is saying but if she is talking about somehow the Florida vote isn’t valid because some voters may have not gone to the polls (because they knew it didn’t count) but despite that need to be represented
    &&&&&

    She made the same bogus argument later when talking about MI voters. I suppose her thinking is, “Let’s not count all the votes of people who showed up to vote, but we should count votes of people who didn’t show up”.

    And in the Michigan Q&A, she broke out this ridiculous, “My mama told me…” bullshit. Get off your high horse.

  138. rgbhrc44, man that is a good analogy! Lets counts the ghosts of the election and not the real election!

  139. h t t p : / / therealistblogs.blogspot.com/2008/05/donna-brazile-mama-taught-me-to-play-by.html

    BRAZILLA: MY MAMA TAUGHT ME TO PLAY BY THE RULZ VIDEO

  140. the tx conv will be chaotic i think. rihie backing obama like this sets him up for some big problems. his statement is in the hou chron-he says he is backing obama bc hillary annot win the nom. well if richie would back hillary and get her supers she would dumbass!

  141. People speaking on Obama’s behalf have used specious arguments, statements that don’t add up. The pro-Clinton have put forth cogent arguments.

    Maybe the Obamadrones are generally dumb… Or, maybe their case is too difficult to present. They can’t sell their “product” because it is defective.

  142. I thought former Michigan governor Jim Blanchard was excellent. He defended Hillary and her voters real well.

    Carl Levin was great too, even though I am more partial to Blanchard’s proposed delegate split than Levin’s. Still, you could tell Levin is pissed about this whole thing and of Michigan doesn’t get 100 percent representation he’s not going to just let it drop. He has said previously that he plans to take it all the way to the convention, and after hearing him talk I believe it.

    That Wexler guy sounds like a preacher. Doesn’t Obama have any friends who speak normally? Why do they all seem to preach at people like that?

    Overall, it’s good to see the Hillary supporters on the committee taking on Camp Obama. If anything, we’re seeing today that not everybody has been drinking the Kool-Aid.

  143. the rbc is behind closed doors now. its real hard trying to figure out how many to be disenfrachised isnt it? god this decsion is so damned hard now aint it? what a sham

  144. Texan, so richie said she couldn’t win, so he’s going with the freaking communist. When is he up for re-election? I ready for a fight and and I am in Senate district 5. Look for me, Ill be the most adament Hillary supporter in my district, you won’t be able to miss me! LOL!!!

  145. Talk Left thinks BO will get the popular votes for uncommitted from MI! Can you imagine a guy getting votes from a certified election who didn’t have his name on the ballot?

  146. Texan, its a kangaroo court, no less! Hillary surrogates talk about voting rights and the Obama surrogates talk about poor little bambi who followed the rulz! Well, the voters followed the rulz, they voted. Here again we see that Bambi is more important than 2.4 million voters!!!

  147. mj: that is asinine. He shouldn’t get any votes. He took his name off the ballot. He doesn’t deserve anything.

  148. Harold Ickes on Michigan:

    The principle of fair reflection mandates that the delegates be seated in accordance with the actual vote, and not based on conjecture, exit polls, or what might have occurred.

    Barack Obama removed his name from the ballot by choice, to curry favor with the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire…

    Uncommitted votes are given the full force and effect of a named candidate…delegates should be allocated to “uncommitted” and both Clinton and Obama would have the opportunity to persuade those delegates to come on board their ship…

    “…to take delegates that Clinton won, and give them to Obama” sets a bad precedent. “Why take just five delegates from Clinton and give them to Obama? Why not take ten, twenty delegates?”

  149. looks like observers are there, but the committe and campaign surragets are not in the room

    looking like a back room deal to me

  150. So now we hear they are doing a back room deal, the hell with that! I wish we could get a message to the protesters out there to make a run of the building. No, No, NO back room deals!!! Everything out in the open!

  151. He may leave the church, but what the church taught is still in your heart barack obama, Lets get real!!!

  152. over on noquarter someone posted that wolf blitzer said the RBC had a 5.5 hr dinner meeting last night that went till 2am
    and still couldn’t come to a decision

  153. So the gutless wonders can’t even come out and let the people know what the heck they are doing. So sad, these people are representing us, no wonder this country is almost bankrupt!

  154. I think they need to tell us what they discussed! They are already acting like communists, so why do we think they want a communist leader!

  155. dija it was reported on cnn the bho is leaving his church, but like confloyd said you can take him out of the church but you cant take the church out of him

  156. As I watch all these folks trying to find their seat, I am struck that these may be the very people who decide whether we have a black racist president or Hillary!

  157. debbie………..it don’t matter if he leaves that church……..its way too late for that and everyone knows it
    this stunt will not change minds.

    did he appologies to hillary yet???

  158. I registered as an Independent today. Just placed my voter registration in the mail. I am finished with the corrupt undemocratic party.

  159. birdgal, me too, I have been trying to get on McCain’s blog, it is so behind the times. I am tired of the trying to live with the rulz of a few over the millions!

  160. monday i will be changing my voter registraton to independant and that will also include my sons and my hubby too

  161. confloyd: the blog has actually improved, believe it or not. It needs to be updated more frequently and the site needs to be faster. The colors are better.

  162. that chair woman looks very pleased with the vote against it

    now they are chanting DENVER DENVER DENVER

  163. Democratic party officials said a party committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates Saturday after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.
    The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would give Clinton 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver later this summer, according to the deal.
    They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

  164. More AP:

    Barack Obama has resigned his 20 year membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago in the aftermath of inflammatory remarks by his longtime pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and more recent fiery remarks at the church by another minister.
    Obama campaign communications director Robert Gibbs said Obama had submitted a letter of resignation to the church and would discuss his decision in a session with reporters later Saturday.
    It happened “over the last few days,” Gibbs said.
    Comments by Wright have inflamed racial tensions and posed an unwanted problem for Obama, front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, as he seeks to wrap up the nomination.
    More recently, racially charged remarks from the same pulpit by another pastor, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, has kept the controversy alive and proved the latest thorn in the side of Obama.
    Pfleger earlier this month mocked Obama rival Hillary Rodham Clinton as a guest speaker at Obama’s church.
    Obama has condemned comments by both Wright and Pfleger, but the controversy has persisted.

  165. Obama resigning from his church, complete and utter political neck saving, I’m not so sure his fellow church goers will be too happy with how he does not want to know them.

  166. REBEL!!!! I will become in Independent just as soon as possible. They are fucking over the people of Florida and Michigan and I think they should rebel as well. To hell with party unity!!!!!!

  167. I knew Hillary would not let us down, we are going to Denver.
    Screw Obama and his freakin’ cheaters!

  168. You bet your asses we are going to convention!!!

    confloyd……… we need to get our camping reservations 😀

  169. i said that bc of the room guys. people are screaming for hill to go to denver. hunreds of em shouting tocount their votes. ikes then said hill reserves the right to seat mi at credentials-that mean not 69 59 but 7 for hill, 55 uncomited. ickes said this si a right on the 1st amend. u have this right to be uncommitted and make a choice. history right now. yur kids will ask about this day.

  170. credntials meets in july. if hll wants to she can challenge all of this. if creds doesnt resolve then its to the floor.

  171. no ickes said-hillary reserves the right to appeal this mi vote hijacking as he calls it to creds-creds can lead to the floor etc.. the crowd is wild-count our votes. the party is imploding live.

  172. This is just disgusting and the public can see this for what it is.

    How do you give delegates to someone not on the ballot. Is this fucking Zimbabwe?

  173. Letting the uncommitted delegates choose who to vote for is the fairest solution. And if they all go to Obama, that’s OK. But they need to make the decision themselves.

    BTW, I think the Clinton campaign is really angry at Waffles over his camp pushing the RFK thing and then his failure to apologize to Hillary for Pfleger. I think that situation plays into what Ickes is saying now.

  174. well the world got to see what we here say everyday-how obama has torn apart this party and how orrupt it is. how dare obama get deleagtes out of mi when he pulled his name off? this is madness..

  175. What a bunch of Obama Azz lickers. This sickens me. Take it all the way Hill. We’re in it to win it and we will make our haters, our motivators. ON TO DENVER!!!!!!!

  176. The Democratic Party is DEAD.

    This is just plain old takeover, roll over, and take it up the ass from Obama.

    Ok, its clear now, Hillary roll out the nuclear weapons and dont give a shit about it.

  177. dija
    you have a much greater prescence here than I. Monday I will reregister take a pic and send it to dnc. I say get it going if you can. I plan on picking up a ton of forms while I am there.

  178. It over, no more democrats. The freaking idiots gave McCain an victory. I will now go to McCain.

  179. Question: yes it is a bad ruling and legally unsound but isn’t it true that we get full credit for the popular vote in those two states, we are not the ones who have broken faith with the voters, preserved an issue for the convention and the new threshold is not 2025 but 2210 which he cannot achieve? (Sorry, I have been out).

  180. If they dare to give Obama any of that popular vote slice, then i’ll go ballistic.

    Well Hillary now has the official popular vote and thats about to get a lot bigger tomorrow.

  181. henry…….I don’t think it will take much effort to get people to change to independant 😀

    wbboei……you are correct the numbers did change but with 1/2 votes wouldn’t that effect the number to less than 2210??

  182. texan: i cannot get any sound on my computer, is 59-69 off the table? Where does this 7 Hill and 55 uncommited come from?

  183. I don’t care, they are never ever going to give this nomination to Hillary, its so fucking obvious now. The Clintons should leave the Democrats to their demise and create the new Democratic party because the current one is no longer FIT FOR PURPOSE.

    I feel so strongly that the Dem party is in the grip of liberal extremists who are willing to take America down.

  184. dija
    but everyone doing it on the same day and sending a digital photo with it would speak volumes. Funny that they continuely castigated individuals who spoke out during the hearings claiming that the speakers needed to be heard, the speakers members of the party who are compensated by the voices that they wish to silence– in the audiance as well as the general populace.

  185. This is the begging of the end to November! I can’nt wait to vote for McCain and see MI go for him also.

  186. henry……… i don’t think anything we email, snail mail, say or do will change anything

    they mentioned the “gifts” in the mail and mentioned the “oranges” so…….. they have gotten them

    the message was sent……….it didn’t matter

  187. henry, the DNC and the party are not interested.

    They could care less if we all walked out. The AA faction and liberal activists have taken over in a coup, they will run the party into the ground and nominate every liberal activist they can.

  188. This is something Mugabe would do. Hey I wasnt on the ballot but i deserve 59 delegates for just asking for them.

    Talk about the American banana republic.

  189. The only way the DNC will listen, is, to lose in November, but then it will be too late. The Democratic Party on a national level will be over. This is what Rove wanted and got!

  190. Moon/Dija
    Well i will refrain from then explaining to the bitter white tax paying law abiding citizens of rural PA that the DNC considers the votes of select counties are more important than thiers. Ooops no I won’t the day the Lady in the pants suit calls it quits I go to work for John MCCain

  191. I guess we will have to put up with another speech from Bambi about his church!
    I can’t believe that this committee thinks what happened here today would make us unite behind the fraud!!

  192. I suspect this is not going to go down well at all across the country.

    Today the DNC did a great big fuck you at Hillary. They could not have done it plainer than them walking up to her and flipping the bird in her face.

  193. make the democratic party lose the white house, the house, and the senate landslide in November is the only way to tell DNC that a radical left wing is unfit to lead the party.

  194. if hillary does not either go to convention or run as a INDY

    I plan to vote down the ticket GOP and not only vote for McCAIN…..I will work my ass off and donate to him!!

  195. did anyone notice the number of hispanics on the commitee today. the party of inclusion which restructured the primary map in attempt to be more representative and diverse would have definately had a strong latin prescence as they are the largest minority group.

  196. I expect Trinity to be so pissed off at Obama now, that they release tapes themselves of Obama and family in church during some of those racist unpatriotic rants by Wright nodding their heads in agreement.

  197. I had a thought

    The silver lining here though, is it possible, that Hillary laid Obama into a trap by seating the delegates now, she legitimises her standing as the popular vote leader.

    She knows she can’t win on delegates so perhaps they thought seating the states popular votes was more important and by whipping up the anger against the decision is exactly what we wanted.

  198. dija
    i won’t vote down party repub as i am in PA and many stood behind hill but for those that did not I will go repub

  199. I respectfully suggest everyone look before they leap. In what little I saw today one gentleman who seemed to be pro-Hillary was joking about how people will surely be switching back and forth between candidates. Maybe they really do know something is in the pipeline. It seems to me Hillary has not been nearly as depressed as I would be under the circumstances.

    With the conviction of Rezko next week, something may still come from that. At least that’s what we’ve been counting on.

    Sean Hannity claims to have something big on BHO that he refuses to reveal at this time. Who knows when he would release that info? He certainly has no plans to help Hillary, but if it came out in time, there could still be a big shift in delegates before the convention.

    I know this sounds far out, but I refuse to give up until Hillary does. Even if she appears to give up within the next couple of weeks, it may still be only a waiting game. Besides, she will still have the same argument for her candidacy she had yesterday.

    I will stick around a while.

  200. djia: that is logical but in the absence of authoritative information I really don’t know.

  201. The silver lining here though, is it possible, that Hillary laid Obama into a trap by seating the delegates now, she legitimises her standing as the popular vote leader.

    She does indeed.

  202. Dear Hillary,

    The democratic party that I so loyaly supported all my life has betrayed me. I watched as they sat silently at the ridicule and disgusting remarks you endured, I watched as they destroyed your and Bill’s long record of fighting for civil and human rights. I watched as the media bias overwhelmed my tv screen in opposition to you, I watched the RBC hand 59 delegates to a man that was not on the ballot in MI. I saw first hand the rude and threatening attacks by Obama supporters on the internet blogs. I heard many reports of the intimidation of your supporters at caucuses. I watched 90% of AA vote down racial lines and accuse me of being racist because I supported you. I heard Obama say I was a typical bitter white person and that I clung to my antipathy of others, guns and religion to soothe my frustration. The democratic party has said it does not need me because I am a white middle class worker.

    The democratic party is not my party. My party would never tolerate any of this.
    To this end if you remain in this party in less capacity than presidential nominee, I will not be able to follow you.

    Your loyal supporter,
    Debbie

  203. sherm: It seems to me Hillary has not been nearly as depressed as I would be under the circumstances.
    ———————————————–
    which could mean there are more shoes to drop yes indeed.

  204. Obama is the choice of the Chicago mob and the list I am posting is only the list of names brought up at the trial of slumlord Rezko.

    BLAGOJEVICH-LEVINE-WINTER-ALI ATA-CARI-RITA REZKO-BECK-MELL-KIFERBAUM-WEINSTEIN-ARAMANDA-PEKIN-HANNON-CELLINI-KELLY-AYERS-ALSAMMARAE-WRIGHT-PFLEGER. wHAT A DISGUSTING BUNCH OF CRIMINALS AND THEY JUST LOVE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

    Let us not give up hope.hillary will go to Denver and she will be the candidate.Obama will just remain a black mark on our country’s list of people that have threatend our democratic way of life.

    By ABM90 With you forever Hillary.

  205. confloyd, He’s planning to speak at the site of the Repub convention in Minn. I don’t think he’s appearing before the RNC.

  206. Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement this evening:

    Today’s results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party’s nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party’s convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.

    We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan.

    The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

    We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

  207. the other silver lining here is…

    if the RBC had given hillary everything as she asked…..and she still did not get the delegates and pop vote
    she would be forced to drop before convention……..so this most certainly works in her favor as she can now
    take it to convention with out any blame on her

  208. larry johnson at noquarter:
    ****************************************************
    Praise the Lord he’s seen the light? After 20 years of apparently sleeping thru Jeremiah Wright’s hatefilled, racist sermons, Barack is calling it quits. Does this include Michelle and the kids? No word yet. Will the kids still be subjected to this hate?

    A burning question is why is Barack doing this now? Could it be that since there are no more primaries in states with significant numbers of African Americans he can throw those folks away? Let’s pause to recall what Barack had to say about his church. He spread this brochure throughout the South:

    Remember when he said he could not disown Jeremiah?

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

    But he did. He tossed away Jeremiah Wright.

    Barack told us that “words matter.” We believe him. That is why we remember his words about his new young Pastor?

    SEN. OBAMA: Well, you know, the new pastor — the young pastor, Reverend Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor.

    And as I said, I still very much value the Trinity community.

    This — I’ll be honest, this obviously has put strains on that relationship, not because of the members or because of Reverend Moss but because this has become such a spectacle.

    I guess we can be sure of one thing. Barack is not a bitter man. Or, at least not a bitter white working class stiff. He surely is not clinging to his religion (and I don’t know about guns).

    So where does he go? I guess Michael Pfleger’s Catholic parish is out of the question. Probably should add Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam to that list. Maybe he’ll decide to do with black liberation theology what he has done with cigarettes–publicly swear it off but sneak it on the side.

    This does not put to bed the legitimate questions about Barack’s judgment in hanging with this group of haters. Do you remember when he warned black audiences in the South that they were being bamboozled and hoodwinked. Well, he was right. But it turns out he was the bamboozler and hoodwinker in chief. And this is change we should believe in? Suckers!!

  209. Would be hilarious if Hill won by about 500,000 tomorrow, that would wipe his ass of any assertion of a popular vote leads.

    Although i hope Hillarys team is prepared for dodgy stuff from Obama’s gov friend there.

  210. As I said earlier, my change in voter registration to Independent, is in the mail. I will donate to Hillary. But, if she is not the nominee, my vote will be for McCain, whom I consider to be less dangerous for our country. I will never, ever, vote for the empty suit and crook.

  211. They gave 4 of Hillary’s MI delegates to Waffles?? That’s pathetic, and should be appealed. Geez.

  212. PR expecting a turnout of anywhere between 1 and 2 million voters tomorrow so every 10% margin of victory adds another 100,000 or 200,000 votes to her lead in the popular vote. Would love a turnout of 2 million with a 30% victory margin.

    Wasn’t the role of the SD’s suppose to be the fixers of electorate problems? What bigger problem could there be than a candidate receiving 500,000 more votes than the other candidate and not have the delegate lead?

  213. I am really sick of Obama and all his spiritual advisors. Donna’s little fit must of thrown a big enough fit that everyone agreed to screw Hillary. I still can’t believe the lady that introduced the bill, looks like they wanted a Hillary supporter to do it!

    Are they really that stupid to think we are going to vote for this fraud that was given the nomination!

  214. If this Kangaroo court award BO 4 of Hillary’s delegates, what makes you all think the sd’s will give Hillary a second look as far as the popular vote!!

  215. APPEAL TO DENVER. No way. Today alone in Iowa, a swing state, I talked to a coworker, Aaron, and her mother who are not voting if Obama is nominated. A man that was shopping at our store said the same. And my boss’ mom said the same. In one day in a non-political environment this came up. They are trying to permanently destroy a great candidate. This is a declaration of war by the DNC, and Barack Obama on women and Latinos, make no mistake about it. Other important voting blocks for Hillary are being attacked too, but this is a direct hit at women and Latinos, which made up a majority of Hillary’s support in Florida and Michigan. These, the two largest swing voting blocks, in the nation’s two largest states, people will not forget the attacks. We will not forget the sexism. We will not forget the race baiting and playing the race card. We will not forget “sweetie”. We will not forget today. We will not forget D-Punjab. We will not forget “monster”. We will not forget Glen Close references. I will not forget the homophobia. We will not forget the attackson African American supporters of Hillary. We will not forget the statements by Obama and his wife about having to “think about” voting for Hillary, and he can “get her voters”, but can “she get” his. ENOUGH. We must stand up. This MUST go to the convention.

  216. The source is pure bullshit (AP) but here is what is being reported:

    WASHINGTON – Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.

    The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama’s name was not on the ballot.

    Clinton’s camp insisted Obama shouldn’t get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama’s team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each.

    The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.

    They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

    The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

    Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

    Obama’s total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5, according to The Associated Press calculations.

    ‘Party of inclusion’
    A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against.

    Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton’s efforts to seat both states’ delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had “no chance” of passing the committee.

    “I understand the rules. … I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion,” Fluornoy said. “I wish my colleagues will vote differently.”

    The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton’s winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote.

    “We just blew the election!” a woman in the audience shouted. “This isn’t unity! Count all the votes!” another audience member yelled.

    Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating. Some audience members heckled her in response. “Lipstick on a pig!” one shouted

  217. BO “michelle and i realized it was going to be too difficult to remain as members of Trinity so long as i was running for president”

    so he just admitted it was for political expediencies!!!

  218. An Independent run is a waste of money. The best case scenario, no one has enough electoral votes to win and the House of representatives ends up selecting the President. Let’s face it with all these backstabbers on the campaign trail why would anyone think they would act any differently than they are now? What a nightmare that would be when no candidate can win in the house and they decide to get rid of Pelosi and vote her in as President.

  219. anyone driving near

    sioux city, sioux falls,omaha,desmoines, on their way to denver for the convention??

    I would love to drive and hook up somewhere along the way!!

    email me at luvcowboys63@yahoo.com

    if you would like an private invitation to join a group set up specifically to discuss
    the convention travels…….and also to discuss privately about running an ad………so far no conversation has happened on that
    but am hopefull more of you will join and get things started.

  220. And I will not forget “I’d like to scratch his eyes out”. No, Obama we will not forget! We will not vote for a candidate that is a fraud and a liar.

  221. Yeah, they trashed our greatest Democratic President since FDR and expect us not to stay home, HAH!

  222. Djia, would you like to meet up some time and get an Iowa group of people against Obama started or something similar? Maybe go to the convention, I have relatives in Littleton Colorado, so no lodging necessary. We are still a swing state.

  223. hi hillfans from work. i missed most of the hearing before work because my wife was in the hospital on a sprained ancle. she is fine. please i hope hillary takes this to the floor of the convention!

  224. I am ready to switch parties, but I am PC so I don’t know if I should. I have made no secret that I HATE him. Hate is a strong word, but I don’t care.

  225. i think sen nelson-florida did us proud this morning. i caught some of gov. blanchard’s remarks a little on cnn via sirrius radio.

  226. thanks paula. what do ya think. is hillary really going to the convention or will she bow out?

  227. bo…….”i am not interested in denouncing the church i am not interested in the people who want me to denounce the church
    I dont think there is anything to denounce the church for”

  228. If Obama gets the required delegates, she’ll have to bow out but she can still appeal the MI ruling. Someone needs to stand up for the voters of that important swing state.

  229. Well the good news is that the magic number now is 2117. Once we get to Denver it will be raised back to the original 2209. It is a long time between now and the end of August and a lot more will be uncovered about Obama giving SD’s more to think about.

  230. Paula……..she does not have to “bow out” SD’s dont count till convention, so he would need to hit the number without SD
    and that is not possible

  231. bo…….”i am not interested in denouncing the church i am not interested in the people who want me to denounce the church
    I dont think there is anything to denounce the church for”

  232. djia

    No delegates count until the roll call of states at the convention and any delegate pledged or superdelegate can vote for any candidate they chose to. In other words pledged delegate does not mean they are required to vote for the candidate that they were selected to vote for.

  233. rjk…… I knew that too…….but Thanks!! 😀 for mentioning it as i am sure there may still be many who did not.

  234. Paula: is that really what she said or did she say that superdelegates would begin to decide after the primaries have concluded? I heard one thing and true to form AP reported something else.

  235. Obama’s decision to resign from his racist church only after it is placed in a public sportlight is like a thief who renounces a life of crime only after they are putting the handcuffs on and reading his miranda warnings. Question: what part of the words too late does he not understand?

  236. Polls close late tomorrow afternoon on the east coast. I think I heard 3 or 4 O’Clock. The big question is how long it takes to count the votes.

  237. From the sound of it on Fox, Trinity church members feel Obama has thrown them under the bus. Now we just need them to come out and say what Obama heard in those pews proving he is just another lying politician

  238. I would feel used, Obama used this church to gain street cred and now they feel like he just used them for political gain.

    See Trinity, he did not give a shit about you.

  239. Its no longer a bus, its a full on steamroller. There must be a list out there with his friends on it that is rapidly being scratched off like a shopping list.

  240. I mean judging by so far, would you trust Obama to back you up in a life or death situation. Fuck no. Hes your classic fuckwit in a Zombie movie, you are cornered by a zombie and shout for help but instead the fucker bolts out the door and runs as fast he can.

  241. Wow, just saw this from Larry Johnson on No Quarter under Breaking News:

    New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.

  242. Looks like the shit is about to hit the fan, so is this Hillary is confident, she’s had the tape all along and waiting for the right minute.

  243. Let’s see, Obama will not get the Jewish vote, the Latino vote, the Woman’s vote and probably not the White vote . That tells me the democrats are looking at a 49 state blowout if he is the nominee.

  244. COMMENTATORS GONE WILD:

    Could someone confirm the following:

    “pledged delegates” (elected by caucus or primary) are what is needed for a candidate to “go over the top” (and we’re still adjusting that bar, now set at over 2,100), that the DNC cannot officially count the mixing in of unpledged delegates (SDs) who have “pledged” for a particular candidate, for two reasons:

    a. they officially don’t vote until the convention
    b. they can change who they are pledged to, because they are UNPLEDGED.

    Obviously, the reason for illuminating the “finish line” is to debunk all the media hype on the “horse race”, and that CNN and MSNBC do not REPORT the news, they CREATE the news. We fully expect the talking heads to persist with their baseless “stories”, that “Five more super delegates could do it…”, and John King “If we pull these numbers over here and give them to Hillary, and give these to Obama, then multiply it by the square root of the distance to the sun divided by pi, and move the finish line up to favor Obama, and mix in the SDs, then we can state that at 8:43pm on June 3rd, Obama has won the nomination”.

    Nice try, John King. Thoughtful analysis. Mixed with plenty o’ spin. And faulty premises. Heck of job. Give him his own show.

    CNN. It’s not just news. It’s reality TV. Commentators gone wild.

  245. moon, if Hillary has the tape (and I have my doubts she does, though her people I’m sure are well aware it exists) there’s no way she’s going to release it. She’d never do that to a fellow Dem, even Obama. The Repubs are the ones who are going to release it, or someone like Hannity.

  246. The more i think about this, the more I am convinced Obama resigned today from Trinity because something big is about to come down the wire, its just weird, he would never resign before and now suddenly, I’m gone.

    Something smells and i bet it has something to do with what Noquarter has got hold off.

  247. I believe she does have it, and she will not be the one to release it directly……..but she has alot of friends 😀

  248. Is this change we can believe in??? More sexist BS from guess who?

    An Obama mystery at state meet

    By RICK CASEY

    Texas Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Roy LaVerne Brooks is a superdelegate who endorsed Barack Obama in March.

    The longtime party activist from Fort Worth is also running to unseat current state party Chairman Boyd Richie.

    Imagine her surprise Tuesday when she received a disturbing phone call from a national Obama operative who is part of a group that parachuted into Texas to work on this weekend’s state party convention.

    Roy says the operative, Rudy Shank, told her that unless she drops her candidacy to unseat Richie at the state convention she will not be going to the national convention as a superdelegate.

    A deal is offered
    She said Shank politely told her that “if there was any way I could not run, it would be appreciated because they would like a convention without hurt feelings.”

    Shank told her he could make a deal with her. He said Glen Maxey, the former Austin state representative whom the Obama campaign hired as its convention director, told him that if Brooks gave up her vice chairmanship to run against Richie, she would lose her status as superdelegate if she lost.

    State chairs and vice chairs are automatically members of the Democratic National Committee, which makes them superdelegates. Brooks’ term as vice chair ends this weekend.

    A quiet rule change
    Brooks said that was news to her. About 20 years ago, then-Chairman Bob Slagle put in a rule saying that while the election for vice chair would take place at the state convention in June, the term would extend until the end of the national convention. The idea was that the vice chair should be rewarded with a national convention at the end of his or her term, not at the beginning of it.

    Houstonian Carl Davis, who served as vice chairman from 1998 to 2000, went as a delegate to the convention in Los Angeles that nominated Al Gore.

    “I remember seeing the rule in writing,” he said.

    But apparently the rule has been quietly changed in recent years.

    Slagle says he recently learned of the change, though he didn’t recall whether the rule was a written one or a “handshake agreement.”

    Under the new rule, Brooks would lose her superdelegate status if she fails to unseat Richie. But if she backs out, Richie could name her to one of three “add-on” superdelegate slots.

    He is required to nominate at least two people for each of the three seats, to be approved by the nominations committee and then ratified by the convention. Traditionally, the nominations committee approves the chairman’s first choice of delegates.

    There are ironies in the request by an Obama operative that Brooks back off the chairman’s race.

    One is that she is an African-American. The state Democratic chairman has traditionally been a white male, with an occasional white female slipping in.

    Another is that Brooks is casting herself as a “change” from the good ol’ boy system, and Obama’s campaign is all about changing the good ol’ boy system. Brooks’ chances of unseating Richie are enhanced by several thousand change-oriented newcomers who will swell the convention to about triple its normal size.

    All of this begs the question: Why would the national Obama campaign involve itself in a state race?

    Chairman Richie was not available for comment. Maxey promised to ask Shank to call me, but I didn’t hear from him.

    So I can only go with speculation. One possibility is that the Democratic establishment convinced the Obama folks that Brooks would not be a good enough chairwoman to help them if Texas should come into play. She would contend that Richie isn’t a good enough chairman to help.

    Another possibility is that a deal has been cut with Richie that could involve both his vote and the votes of the three “add-on” superdelegates.

    Do you like conspiracy theories? Thursday night, two nights after Shank made his call to Brooks, Richie announced his endorsement of Obama.

    Another possibility involves a “handshake agreement” Slagle put in place in the early 1980s, an agreement that has held ever since. It (accurately) presumed the chairman would be white, and alternates the vice chairmanship and the treasurer’s posts between blacks and Hispanics.

    “I think this is the year the vice chair is supposed to rotate back to the Mexican-Americans,” Slagle said. “If it is a Mexican-American it would be for Clinton. There might be an issue there.”

    Maybe so, but if they’re worried about losing even one superdelegate, manhandling Brooks may not help.

    Brooks said she told Shank she would stay in the race.

    “I made the comment that I may need to jump over to Hillary’s side because I’m not going to be treated like a dish rag,” she said.

    I asked if she was serious.

    “I’m very serious if they keep trying to get me out of the race and I learn that Obama is behind it,” she said.

  249. Paula all’s fair in politics, thats the way it works, we may not like it but thats what happens.

    If Hillary has that evidence you can bet she has held it to the last possible minute. Things have a way of getting to the media through other “channels”

    You never deliver the knockout blow until its absolutely vital.

    You can’t say she didnt give them a chance to be fair but they just spat in her face.

  250. Linfar

    the bots are RABID on your diary…….they need to be put in Quarenteed!

    left many posts on your diary to counter act 😀

  251. Remember this guys? This is ALL Hussein Obama’s links.
    h t t p : / / news.muckety.com/2008/04/25/creator-of-the-infamous-willie-hor ton-ad-sets-his-sights-on-obama/2411

    527 ads against Obama

  252. Wonder why LJ can’t give us the scoop till Monday morning. Don’t know if I can wait that long, lol.

  253. BITTER PEOPLE, CLINGING TO THEIR BALLOTS

    # rjk1957 Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Let’s see, Obama will not get the Jewish vote, the Latino vote, the Woman’s vote and probably not the White vote . That tells me the democrats are looking at a 49 state blowout if he is the nominee.
    &&&&&

    I’ve been saying that with HRC supporters defecting in droves, he’s looking to get a Mondale-like slashing. I was saying “Obama probably would only win his home state”. But aside from its cities, IL is very much a Red state. So I’m not even sure about that state.

    As for the defection rate, we’ve seen within the past week that of Dems, 74% would support Obama in Nov., 19% would vote McCain, and 7% would vote for someone or something else.

    So 26% of Dems, after all these months of “Getting know you, getting know more about you…”, still don’t like Obama. In fact, his negatives keep getting higher (the latest 53% negative is his worst yet…way to go, O-man).

    Since half of Dems support HRC, and half are for BHO, that would mean that you double the defection stats (for Dems overall) to see how many Hillary supporters are ready to punish the party if they proceed to install Obama using this completely unjust set of rules and rulings: that’s right, 38% ready to vote for McCain, and 14% ready to vote for Jerry Garcia or Daffy Duck. (This assumes that 0% of Obama supporters would defect…unless they know something we don’t know).

    Now put those stats in yer pipe and smoke it.

    How do Dems hold on to California?? Losing Latinos, Asian Americans, GLBT, women, middle/lower-class, and otter-lovers (I love otters, but I am an east coaster).

    How do Dems hold on to NJ?

    States to completely write off are too numerous to mention, so we’ll just take a breezy sampling: PA, OH, MI, FL, TX, KY, WV.

    All those bitter people, clinging to their ballots.

  254. Hannity is a Republican and he knows Hillary will be the stronger candidate, he is waiting for Obama to declare victory along with Dean and Pelosi saying it is over before releasing it, if he has it.

    My only reason for thinking that is that the republicans are hoping this will be like 1972 and Eagleton. The democrats never recovered from that fiasco.

  255. Hannity is a Republican and he knows Hillary will be the stronger candidate, he is waiting for Obama to declare victory along with Dean and Pelosi saying it is over before releasing it, if he has it.

    I agree.

  256. Paula,

    I doubt there are any damaged tapes found. But BHO will be toasted by a series ads by GOP’s 527 groups once DNC award the nominee to him. Bill O’reilly said last night, this election will be determined by white independents. I believe that most of the independents will not like a radical leftist to lead this country.

  257. I think Monday is the perfect time for us all to change our registration to Independent. If enough of us do this, it will give Hillary another option. But mostly it will scare SDs and Dem leaders that we aren’t buying their ‘unity’ jive and they are buying into a candidate that is splitting the party.

    Did anyone in the meeting today (I only watched a few minutes at a time) suggest that caucuses were outmoded, undemocratic and too open to manipulation and should be abolished?? Or is that too sensible for the D (dumb) Party?

    Obama is finally leaving his church because it is too embarrassing to be associated with it. It is also too sexist and racist and hate-filled. I feel the same way about the Democratic Party.

  258. rjk

    she’s mad as hell and she ain’t gonna take it any more…………NOT READY TO MAKE NICE! (dixie chicks)

  259. SPINELESS DEMOCRATIC LEADERS: “THANK YOU SIR, MAY i HAVE ANOTHER”

    In 2000, we saw tentative actions by Gore and Co. that cost them Florida. They could have pushed for a statewide recount (which they apparently would have won), rather than the 4 allegedly pro-Gore counties, and we know how that turned out. There’s no denying which side pulled out all the stops to ensure victory. In fact, it was so over the top, that it was a coup d’etat.

    We Real Dems won’t forget.

    In 2006, overcoming Rove’s math, the Dems won. So, let’s take on a lame duck president who’s ratings are in the sewer. No problemo. Except for the wuss factor. When Compromisocrats meet a tyrrant, they demur. “We’re pretty miffed at how Bush had the limo driver run over us, then back up, then run over us again.” We heard the excuses, but the main point is that from a procedural perspective, the Dems have proved too cautious to take the good fight to King W.

    In 2008, confronted by Obama & Cabal, (who ARE NOT SEEKING PARTY UNITY, but who are using the Dems to get in Their Guy), we see DNC heads putting their tails between their legs. “Bad dog. Don’t support Hillary, or we’ll take your monetary bone away from you. We’ll make sure you’re in the Dog House when Obama is coronated Emperor”.

    Today’s procedings showed the meek Dems giving in to Obama’s ridiculous demands. “We’ll take Hillary’s reasonable position, and Obama’s outrageous position, split ’em in half, and then we’ll all go next door and have a few beers, and say, What a great unified party are We”.

    Party Unity: Mission Accomplished.

    Like Kevin Bacon in Animal House, at the frat hazing, “Thank you, sir. May I have another [swack!!!]”.

  260. from a poster on noquarter tonight

    CONTACT the Dem Rules Committee Members and make your voice be heard! from Rickie in MA
    Donna Brazille
    donna@brazileassociates.com
    (202) 628-8081
    Mark Brewer
    mbrewer@mi-democrats.com
    (517) 371-5410
    Martha Fuller Clark
    martha.fulierclark@leg.state.nh.us
    (603) 271-6933
    Ralph Dawson
    rcdawson@fulbriqht.com
    (212) 318-3337
    Donald Fowler
    don@fowlercommunications.com
    (803) 799-7550
    Carol Khare Fowler
    carol@fowlercomm!mications.com
    (803) 799-7550
    Yvonne Gates
    YRG@co.clark.nv.us
    (702) 455-0855
    Alice Germond
    germonda@dnc.orq
    (202) 8p3-7183
    Jaime A. Gonzalez, Jr
    iaime@iaglawfirm.com
    (956) 664-0100
    Janice Griffin
    griffinassoc1@aol.com
    (703) 248-1990
    Alexis Herman
    rramirez@alexisherman.com
    (202) 833-8800
    Alice Huffman
    alicehuffman@sbcglobal.net
    (916) 498-1890
    Thomas Hynes
    thvnes@chapman.com
    (312) 845-3272
    Harold Ickes
    hickes@ickesenright.com
    (202) 887-6726
    Ben Johnson
    hsmjohnson@porternovelli.com
    (202) 973-5899
    Elaine Kamarck
    elaine kamarck@harvard.edu
    (617) 495-9002
    Allan Katz
    allan.katz@akerman.com
    (850) 425-1605
    Eric Kleinfeld
    eric@rpum.com
    (202) 293 1177
    David T. McDonald
    david.mcdonald@klqates.com
    (206) 370-7957
    Mona Pasquil
    monapasQuil@hotmail.com
    (916) 567-2945
    Mame Reiley
    mame@thereileyqroup.com
    (703) 370-2891
    James Roosevelt, Jr.
    iames roosevelt@tufts-health.com
    (617) 972-9564
    Garry Shay
    qss1@aol.com
    (818) 502-7503
    Elizabeth Smith
    Ismith@aft.orq
    (202) 879-4436
    -\
    Michael Steed
    rmadison@paladincapqroup.com
    (202) 595-2960
    Sharon Stroschein
    stroschein@nrctv.com
    (605) 226-3440
    Sarah Swisher
    seiusarah@msn.com
    (319) 530-8364
    Ewards Ward
    eward@dot.state.nc.us
    (919) 733-2520
    Jerome Wiley Segovia
    jerome@puente-Iatino.com
    (202) 360-3801

  261. Obama is still saying the new preacher is a good man, well wasn’t he the one that invited the Father up to say what he did? The Rev. stood there and jived with the rest of the people. How could he say that?

  262. # moononpluto Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    The more i think about this, the more I am convinced Obama resigned today from Trinity because something big is about to come down the wire, its just weird, he would never resign before and now suddenly, I’m gone. Something smells and i bet it has something to do with what Noquarter has got hold off.
    &&&&&

    It might be due solely to tamp down the fire of the latest Pfleger controversy.

    But with Obama, the skeletons keep falling out of the closet. And it’s not just a regular closets. It’s a walk-in closet the size of Paris Hilton’s.

  263. And when Pfleger was finished the new preacher was effusive in his thanks. Something like “Thanks for the message and thanks for the messenger”.

    You have to admit that the one thing that’s true about this church is that they are consistent.

  264. To the DNC:

    As Ricky Nelson sang in “I’m Walking”

    I’m walking, yes indeed I’m talking
    For you and me and I’m hoping
    That you’ll come back to me

    I’m lonely as I can be
    And I’ve waited for your company
    And I’m hoping that you’ll come back to me

    Whatcha gonna do when the well runs dry

  265. TUCC allegations by Pastor Manning (in Harlem) is that Wright and Obama had much more than a “father-son” relationship. That may go a long way in explaining why BHO stayed at this church for twenty years. Also, allegations about Obama and murdered TUCC choir director Donald Young (on the eve of the Iowas caucus) being lovers are founded on more than rumors according to Manning and Larry SInclair. Sinclair was contacted by Young before his murder, on phone numbers Sinclair had furnished to The Obama campaign.

    By denouncing TUCC, while not “denouncing” TUCC, Obama has cleared the way to make the argument that any allegations now from church members or others aware of BHO’s secret life are made up lies due to anger over leaving the church, and just sheer retaliation. Give the American public more credit than to fall for any of this bogus departure from the church. It may have to do with Wright being bought off with the $10 million credit line.

  266. The DNC could have done so much today. They could have invigorated FL and MI and could have gone a long way in the eyes of Hillary supporters. Instead they crapped out.

  267. Brazille needs to be taken off CNN! All of her comments were off the wall and down right hatefilled! Where does she live, maybe she goes to TUCC!

  268. Brazille said if the superdelegates decide the nominee she would resign from the DNC. So, Donna when will be seeing your letter of resignation?

  269. go vote on the cnn.com poll

    Is the Democratic Party committee’s decision on Florida and Michigan sufficient to settle the issue?
    Yes 55% 4060
    No 45% 3270
    Total Votes: 7330

  270. Hillbillylover, those are terrible bruises on that ladies arms! If I were her I would file against the people that did that to her. There is no excuse to manhandle anyone! JUst imagine if that would have happened to an Obama supporter, the news and lawyers would be all over it!

  271. meiyingsu

    It will be close, there is a large retired military block and the only reason Obama made the primary close was the large AA communities in North Jersey. Voters have a habit of surprising, they have elected Republican Governors. The state went republican in presdiential elections from 1968 to 1988 and democrats have won since Bill won in 1992 and I have a strong feeling they may be ready for a change and go republican again. If it does to will take several presidential elections to get them back.

  272. This has been a most disgusting day. I hope this doesn’t suppress the vote PR! I am still mad at that nasty Brillohead!

  273. Puerto Rico needs to be HRC’s Exclamation Point! By all means, I pray that Puerto Ricans turn out in record numbers, more in defiance of the crooked DNC Committee.

  274. The topping on the cake would be a turnout of 2 million with Hillary getting 75% of the vote and winning by 1 million votes. Unlikely, but this year who the hell knows…..

  275. texan4hillary

    The only problem is that the average voter did not watch cspan today and have the opportunity to see Wexler make a fool of himself or how well spoken and clear those speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign were.

  276. Michigan popular vote will not matter Hillary will still have the popular vote lead without it once Puerto Rico votes today. I almost sound like Obama and the DNC “Michigan will not matter”

  277. If anyone wants to see the effect the DNC decisions are having on the party just go over and check out John McCains blog. They are welcoming a huge influx of us Hillary supporters. Someone should send a link to Howard Dean and the Obama campaign. Obama thinks we are all going to support him..think again…

  278. RNC can really put the fear of death into the DNC by releasing fund raising totals for the first 24 hours after the decision about FL and MI today. I am sure them have seen a huge jump.

  279. unity!

    Hastings boycotting Democratic convention

    At least one high-profile Florida Democrat is not ready to set aside the dispute with the national party: U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings of Miramar said he would skip the nominating convention in Denver.

    Here’s his statement, a dramatic commentary on the right to vote by a black congressman:

    It is with reluctance and disappointment that I accept the DNC’s decision today. I do so not because I agree with the decision but because it is time for us to move on and focus on winning in November.

    I applaud Karen Thurman and the Florida Democratic Party, Robert Wexler, Bill Nelson and others who represented our state and the candidates for doing the best they could with a bad situation.

    Florida Democrats have been serially abused and the DNC is the latest of offenders. How the DNC has the authority to ignore the votes of ‘Jack and Jane Lunch Bucket’ is beyond my understanding. The insiders who actively sought to disillusion and disenfranchise the more than 1.75 million Florida Democrats who voted on January 29 give new meaning to collective arrogance.

    The DNC’s decision today ignores the core principle of our great democracy: the right to vote. I know that the 1.75 million Democrats who voted on January 29 count and don’t give a damn what the DNC rules pronounce.

    Going to a party’s convention is a privilege. Courts have said that political parties have a right to make their rules. In this case, the DNC has chosen to take away that privilege from people who I believe have earned the right to participate in the National Convention in Denver with a full vote. As Americans, we should never insinuate or give vent to taking away the constitutional, time honored, died for, and cherished rights of voters from any state. Yet that is what today’s decision has done to the people of
    Florida and Michigan.

    I suppose the DNC has the right to block Democrats in Florida from attending the National Convention. They also have the right to be stupid, and stupid they are.

    At the beginning of our great country’s history my ancestors were counted as only 2/3 of a person. Until passage of the 15th Amendment in 1870, they weren’t allowed to vote. During that same time and until 1920, women could not vote. White men who did not own property could not vote at one point in our history as well.

    Now, on May 31, 2008, a group of elitist insiders of the DNC have effectively said that some of my ancestors’ progeny equal only 1/2 and that men and women in Florida who voted on January 29th are 1/2 also. For a Party which will crown its historic nominee on the 45th anniversary of Dr. King’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech, the DNC’s decision today is tragically ironic.

    As a matter of protest, I do not intend to attend the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

    Despite all of this, too much is at stake this November. I refuse to allow those who have done me and my constituents wrong to stop us from taking back our country. Together, we will do whatever it takes to increase our majority in the House and Senate and win the Presidency.

    While I cannot speak for others, I do not intend to take any further legal action against the DNC. If I believed that we could win, believe me, I would act and so would others. But based on case history, it is an uphill battle screaming for a change in federal law.

    I will, however, spend enormous energy on convincing my colleagues in Congress that we must create a rotating regional Presidential primary system. 30 political insiders – nearly all of whom ain’t ever been elected to a damn thing in their lives – must never again have the ability to reject the will of and unilaterally disenfranchise 1.75 million voters.

    This election is bigger than Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton. It is certainly bigger than the DNC. There are over 46 million Americans who are uninsured, gas and energy costs are spiraling out of control, America’s economy is faltering, and U.S. troops are dying nearly every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will take the energy and resources of all of us to fix these problems and the others facing our nation.

    As Florida voters have demonstrated time and time again, we will rise above those who have sought to silence our voices and vote big and win in November.

    http://www.miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/05/hastings-boycot.html

  280. It’s WAR!!!

    They want us to sit down and shut up but that is how you lose the war. Keep on fighting and don’t let them take you for granted this is OUR country and OUR sons and daughters going into the military, not the elites or the well connected.

    NEVER SURRENDER….ALL or DENVER!

  281. American Gal: You are absolutely right, about McCain’s site. They are very welcoming, even though they may not agree with Hillary’s politics, they respect her tenacity and strength. They are so much more mature than the bots. I first went over there, about a month ago, and the site has really improved. There is work to be done, but it is better, than what it was. Imagine, bots on McCain’s site. Unbelievable, but the McCain supporters can really put them in their place.

  282. 30 political insiders – nearly all of whom ain’t ever been elected to a damn thing in their lives – must never again have the ability to reject the will of and unilaterally disenfranchise 1.75 million voters.

    ————————-

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t — get on the RBC.

  283. Carby, it is war. The DNC has officially made it so.

    I’m so livid. For those who don’t plan to vote for Obama, don’t stay home. Vote McCain. Not voting is essentially a vote for Obama.

    Let’s defeat this bastard in November.

  284. american girl,

    i never thought i’ld say this…
    but what is the address for john mccains blog?

    🙁

  285. Alcee Hasting is a tool…the party IS not bigger then the people of this country and for the Democratic Party to flip their values for Obama is the begining of the end of the democratic party.

    Not because of race BUT because of how it was done….this has been the most low down dirty corrupted Chicago tactics ever in my life seen on the national level. If you think Chicago politics is bad…then think about it on a national level.

    Already the weak and the lame have caved into Obama strong arm tactics and want us to kiss his ring and bowed down the this travesty. But what it’s really about is Obama power hunger self and the rest of those moron in the DNC and Democratic party who has taken our votes for granted by throwing out crumbs at our feet and like dumb pigeons we will peck away at those crumbs.

    It’s our own fault that the DNC and Democratic elites think so lowly of us because time and time again we will settle for the crumbs thrown at our feet.

  286. linfar Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    The obama people are refusing to let diary stay on the rec list about Clinton reaction to Rules Committee.

    C’mon. Take a second and rec the diary. Hillary deserves to have one diary on he rec list.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/31/203424/754
    =====================================

    ndI’m banned at mydd. I hope you’ll post the diary at clintondems.com and some other pro-hil sites such as
    h t t p : / / hillarysbloggers.soapblox.net/ Then you or someone could put a link to it from taylormarsh Hot Topics.

  287. rgb44,

    The magic number (was 2025, now 2100+something) at the convention can be any combination of pledged and superdelegates. This year no one can win it on pledged alone because the pledged are too evenly split; so it will have to be a combination.

    So at the convention we count both pledged and unpledged, all 4000+ delegates, to see who gets the magic number.

    However right now, it makes sense for the news to make that distinction. If enough supers declare for a candidate right now to put him over the top, of course he will claim victory. But the supers’ support is ‘soft’ because they don’t actualy vote till August and are free to change their minds back and forth any time till then.

  288. Saturday, May 31, 2008
    Decisions, Decisions

    The spousal unit is off getting the ingredients for mojitos at the moment, and I’m reflecting on the events of the day. We followed the live blog of the meeting via TalkLeft (which appears to be crashing under server load at the moment – give it some time) plus Marc Ambinder’s blogging of it. There are a lot of tea leaves at the bottom of the cup.

    The 50% solution for Florida was disappointing, but not the worst that could happen. They still get added into the total votes needed, Hillary is able to formally count the popular vote there as part of her total, Floridians will support her in the fall and will punish Obama.

    The solution for Michigan is thoroughly bad news for Obama. The state’s popular vote is legitmated, allowing Hillary to claim it, the 50% penalty removes “teh rulz!” as a talking point weapon (as it does with Florida) (note to FITH Obama trolls – the rulz have officially changed so you can stfu now), and the squabble over a mere 4 pledged delegates indicates that they are worried about the delegate count, enough so that they would reassign votes to try to force their way through.

    Speaking with my political scientist hat on, penalizing the states’ delegations by reducing the impact of their votes may vex Clinton supporters, but it is within the powers of the DNC to do so. The reasons for the penalty (to tilt the win in favor of one candidate) and the context of the penalty (failing to penalize other states who committed similar infractions) and in the case of Florida, refusing to take into account the extentuating circumstances of Republican interference with the timing of the vote are elements that will provide grist for dozens if not hundreds of Poli. Sci. PhD dissertations in the years to come, but the power itself is within the charter of the organization and the appropriate committee(s).

    Taking away delegates from Hillary and handing them to Obama, however, is not within their purview, and this will come back to bite them in the ass. First, as I said above, it indicates that the internal count of the Obama delegates is weaker than they claim. Four delegates should not make that big a difference, yet they obviously do even with the count reduced by the 50% rule. There is no other rational reason to force this misallocation for such a small number of delegates, given the blowback that will occur. Of course, given what we have seen of the Obama campaign, stupidity, arrogance and an inability to resist trying to humiliate an opponent are hallmarks of their operation. Whether or not Hillary can capitalize on this for the convention, rest assured that the Republicans will do so for the general election, even if Hillary is the nominee. The Party has deliberately reapportioned the outcome of an official and certified election. They may have had the power to deny seats to the resulting delegation at all, allow seats but no votes, allow votes but reduced by a percentage, or seat them with 100% voting privileges, but they do not have the power to modify the allocation of delegates within the delegation.

    Doffing the poli sci hat, the joint announcement of the decsion of the RBC and of Obama’s resignation from TUCC says put a fork in him, he’s done. The question for me was whether he hoped the attention on the committee would keep people from noticing the church announcement (if yes, it failed), or whether the church announcement was a distraction from the committee announcement, which sounds more likely to me. Better a focus on the scandal which the campaign will try to spin as a strength, than on the committee hearings, which exposed to the full light of day the manipulation of delegates to favor a candidate in decline.

    Blanchard was phenomenal in the hearings, and very clearly made the case that Obama had maneuvered himself out of delegate support in Michigan. Brazille looked and sounded like a mean-spirited jerk through the entire thing, Wexler was a buffoon, and someone must have gotten to the Obama contingent at lunch and told them how bad it looked for them. I hazard a guess that is why the meeting did not reconvene on time, though that is also when the TUCC announcement was made, so there are more explanations than outcomes.

    The reason I am concerned about the battle over the four Michigan delegate votes is because there is no valid procedure for that reallocation, and alleged Democrat “vote fixing” is one of the Republicans’ standard arguments against the Democrats. It is used to push through restrictive voter ID and onerous voter registration rules, and it is used as an excuse to purge voter rolls and install thugs at voting palces to “discourage voter fraud”. It is used deliberately to undermine minority voting in Democratic districts, and the Republicans will gleefully seize on this one very egregious act of disenfranchisement to serve up a toxic mix of racism – see what happens when “those people” (i.e., non-whites, in this case AAs, but also applied to Hispanics and Asians) start calling the voting shots? They just rearrange things to promote one of “their own kind.”

    Why is this a really bad thing in the current election cycle? Because the new issue on the Republicans’ radar is Affirmative Action. (Gee, I wonder why they picked that theme?) There will be state measures on the ballot in Colorado, Nebraska and Missouri, just to name a few states where Obama is allegedly competitive. Add this crude and blatent vote manipulation to the mix, and the Republicans now have a big campaign issue handed to them on a silver platter.

    As for the TUCC decision, this is another example of Obama’s bad judgment, wanting to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants to be considered a unifying figure, yet hang out with trash-talking divisive people who scorn the people whose votes will decide the election. When he finally has it shoved in his face that he can’t have both, he jettisons the friends in a public way that does not resolve the issues that association raised in the first place. I’m not as incensed about the bullshit spewed by the various preachers at TUCC as other people are. I’m really not into beating people up for personal associations. The political deals cut with Rezko bother me far more. However, what matters here is the stupidity of thinking that these associations would not be made into political issues, and the lack of preparation in creating distance between himself and TUCC, Rezko or Ayers/Dohrn when it should have been done. Cynical? Sure, but accurate. It’s the same way I look at Bill Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky; that he had an affair is not my business, that he had one when he was under scrutiny and it damaged both him and the party sure as hell is my business.

    The Obamacan faction of the party has made its decision today: it is more important to claim the nomination than to win in November. That is where their priorities lie. Hillary may or may not be able to convince enough super delegates to give her the nomination, but it is clear what the decision before the party is.

    Do we retreat and allow the coup to roll on, or do we fight back for the future of the party?

    Anglachel
    http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/05/decisions-decisions.html#links

  289. Paula Says:
    May 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    If Obama gets the required delegates, she’ll have to bow out

    He can’t get 2117 (or even 2025) without some supers, whose support is not firm till Denver.

    She doesn’t have to bow out in any case. Edwards just ‘suspended’ his campaign months ago, he hasn’t really ‘bowed out’. There’s nothing to stop her going on campaigning full volume if she wants to. Or she could relax a little after the primaries, let the GOP go after Obama undistracted for a while.

    She will still be put in nomination at the convention, and some undecided supers will break, and maybe other supers will switch to her.

    See http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm for quotes from some undecideds about waiting till August.

  290. this will piss you all off even more!!…….sorry but we need to be informed.

    Obama had the votes for 50-50 MI split
    Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:01 PM by Mark Murray
    Filed Under: 2008, Obama, Michigan

    From NBC’s Chuck Todd
    Per multiple sources inside the closed Rules and Bylaws Committee lunch, Obama actually had the votes to get a 50-50 delegate split out of Michigan — but by just a vote or two.

    However, it was decided to go with the 69-59 split to win a larger majority. That measure passed 19-8.

    *** UPDATE *** Also, according to those with knowledge of the Michigan agreement, it is fair to claim Clinton the winner of Michigan. But they caution against counting her popular vote in the state.

  291. and now i find this…….. man i am so f’n pissed off!!

    The deal reached, NBC NEWS has learned, is a 69-59 split with half votes in Michigan. Obama will be guaranteed the two add-on superdelegates. NBC NEWS has not confirmed if the superdelegates will get half or full votes.

  292. Harriet Christian, the lady from the meeting today thrown out, where ever you are, God bless you.

  293. Texan, thanks for the Anglachel piece. It was masterful analysis.

    djia, this decision really is the stick that broke the camel’s back. Unity? What unity? I called a guy who was in town for the protest and while he is normally a very gregarious person, he was just so glum that I felt guilty keeping him on the line.

  294. well this is depressing as hell, but i post it because, this should galvaniz the party to do anything at all costs to get rid of obama…

    our nuclear option: vote mccain…
    ***********By Craig Crawford

    Make no mistake about it. The decision rendered today by the Democratic National Committee’s rules panel showed that Barack Obama has displaced Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, as boss of the party.

    The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee gave Obama exactly what he wanted – a firm decision on seating Florida and Michigan delegates. Even though Clinton wins a small net gain in nominating delegates, it is not enough to seriously boost her chances for the nomination.

    No decision would have best served Clinton today. Her nomination hopes are dependent on a chaos theory, which would have been best supported by keeping the status of Florida and Michigan in limbo.

    Losing what they needed today proves that for the first time in 16 years the Clintons are no longer in charge of the Democratic Party. There is a new boss in town.

    ********************************

  295. the dnc crowned their guy, why?
    i guess thats a question we really have no clear answers to..

    who hates the clintons so much and why?
    i think when there is a federal investigation, into this campaign, we may find out some answers…

    when do we start calling for an investigation, anyone know?
    okie?

  296. Dear Chairman Roosevelt

    Like many traditional democrats I am deeply disappointed with the decision rendered by your committee with respect to Michigan. We cannot understand how you could: i) strip votes from someone who earned them, ii) award votes to someone who is not on the ballot and iii) invalidate the popular vote as well. Let us at least be clear that this was not a compromise. It
    was a forfeiture.

    This improvident decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy. It serves to disenfranchise 600,000 Democratic voters. And it causes centrist Democrats like myself to conclude that the Party no longer represents their interests. How ironic since its stated objective was to promote unity.

    WB

  297. A Partial Victory
    Posted at 12:33 am under Uncategorized

    Notice something today? The media are calling it a “blow to Hillary,” and by evening time, ignoring the decision altogether. This is wrong.

    Yes, the DNC is fucking with your vote, but come on, at least we are in the game! Today, the Obama menses got bloody. Yesterday he announced that he had the “pledged delegate majority” – today, poop in his pants For months Ossamite-kooks have been ranting on how FL and MI would not count. Not count at all – because of RULES. Bloodied noses now – their ignorance only expiated through an equally ignorant but brutally vicious and inane media.

    The reality of today’s decision is not bad for Clinton at all. It may not be the best scenario, but it is not bad. Hussein0 loses more face, than we do. Both Florida and Michigan are recognized entirely. (The theft of four Michigan delegates, will I am sure, be eventually rectified) Even with skewered votes, remember – both Clinton and Hussein- reserve the right to recognize both states vote “fully” at the Convention.

    Clinton will clearly recognize the full vote of the FL and MI delegations at the Convention, and Obama is likely to do the same. Yes, there is something profoundly wrong with having a Candidate recognize a delegation, instead of a delegation recognizing a candidate, but keep in mind, if both Hussein and Clinton recognize a full-fledged FL and MI convention vote, FL and MI will have their full fledged vote at the Convention!

    There are details left, which the Clinton camp will rightfully continue to challenge, and press against – until they are emendated. But the popular vote from both Florida and Michigan has now been given full legitimacy. That’s serious progress, and the media better pay attention.

    Also not to be overlooked, is that with a raised pledged majority count, Turd0 will not be able to secure it. He would need to lose by a small margin in Puerto Rico and with a blow it out in South Dakota and Montana, and neither is likely to happen. He needs 66 delegates out of a total of 86, from three states. This means he needs to secure 76% the upcoming delegate votes. IMPOSSIBLE. He can come close… but close won’t be good enough. Wonderboy who danced about with “majority of delegates” is just going to look stupid.

    Without a pledged majority in the delegate vote, Hussein is ending the Primary season with fewer arguments to convince superdelegates of his “Victory.” Clinton’s argument, to focus on the popular vote, will gain in stature.

    Yes, a FL and MI delegation with 1/2 vote increases the number of superdelegates Clinton needs to secure the nomination, but as long as we win the popular vote by at least 100,000 we can plod onto Denver on solid footing.

    Today’s ruling is proof that the FL and MI vote has never been about rules – its always been about a single man – David Axelrod, and a single half-man/half-pure-excrement who fail to grasp the basics of Democracy because the latter was raised on the anti-pluralist poison of Malcolm X, Stokey Carmichael, James Cone, and Farrakhan, which is reflected in his passion for anti-Democratic twerps and idiots like Ahmenidejad, Ayers, Wright, etc.

    Of course Clinton and her supporters will not settle for the 1/2 vote of the Florida and Michigan delegations, but the direction of our progress is clear – and we know what we are fighting for, and where. Big wars are won with victories at the margin. And we just had one – tomorrow, another.

    http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=483#more-483

  298. I watched,listened and I cried.We the people(you me all of us) have allowed this to happen to our country.He fooled us again and again and again and we have been frozen in our tracks by the RACIST TAG that he has been waving since coming out of AFRICA.The political surgeons in his campaign are the best of the worst that mony can buy and all they needed was the large stupid an mesmerized idolaters that followed and kissed his robes.He is the second coming of AMIE SEMPLE McPHERSON and ELMER GANTRY all rolled up in the image of the BLACK MESSIAH and the HERO of the MUSLIM world.AMERICA YOU ARE BEING HAD.THe MSM has promoted,supported and sustained this BIG BLACK BLOT on our image around the world.It is still not too late to stop this REAL DAY OF INFAMY.PEARL HARMOR was a walk thru the park compared to what is happening to our great country.BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and his followers are THE ENEMY WITHIN.
    I never beleived over my 90 yrs and my 4 years of WWII combat,that this could ever happen to our precious AMERICA.That losy housepainter did it in Germany with the help of the state controlled MSM.The big difference now is that the MSM now controls us.Just stop and think of the injustice that we imposed on the poor and friendly Japanese families when we placed them in our concentration camps for just being here in the land of the free.IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN-TO US.
    HILLARY needs our support more than ever before.There is no other person with so much to give to our country.Take a good look at the the bunch in the DNC at the table yesterday and be aware of what is waiting for us.I call them ALI BAMA and his FORTY THEIVES.
    Don’t forget to log on to NOQUARTER at 9 am monay for the Michelle “WHITEY Tapes”.Could be interesting and the reason that BO divorced Trinity yesterday.

    By ABM90

  299. Its pretty sad to open up the news and see this:

    Hillary Defiant Against Party Leaders (why couldnt it be, Hillary Continues Her Fight for Nomination)

    and

    Obama Quits His Church (why couldn’t it be, Obama Finally Quits Church After Years-long of Controversy)

  300. Clinton’s backers: We won’t ‘roll over’
    Sean Lengell (Contact)
    Sunday, June 1, 2008
    The Democratic Party risks the defection of many supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton unless it settles the Florida and Michigan primary fracas to their satisfaction, said protesters at pro-Clinton rallies in Washington yesterday.
    “I refuse to be associated with a party that is stupid, self-destructive and undemocratic, and now, I’m beginning to realize, is misogynistic,” said Norma Broude, an American University professor who was among more than 1,000 Clinton supporters at a “count the vote” rally at Rock Creek Park.
    Friend and fellow American University professor Mary Garrard agreed, saying that she will not vote for Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Sen. Barack Obama, if he receives the party’s presidential nomination.
    “The Democratic Party has disdained the female demographic, they have demeaned Hillary Clinton, and this time we’re not going to roll over,” Ms. Garrard said.
    As the pro-Clinton contingent, which was largely female but racially and generationally mixed, rallied in the park, Democratic leaders were gathered a few blocks away at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel to decide the fate of the combined 313 disqualified delegates from Florida and Michigan, and, in turn, the fate of Mrs. Clinton’s long-shot chance of overcoming Mr. Obama’s delegate lead.

    Democratic leadership disqualified the delegates and barred them from attending the party’s August convention in Denver as punishment for the states moving their primaries ahead of Feb. 5 – a violation of party rules. They decided last night to award half-votes to each state’s delegates and apportion the delegates to the two candidates in a ratio that did not satisfy the Clinton team.
    *protestor video here*
    H t t p : / / link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1459208140/bclid1454906906/bctid1582123055
    Rod Lamkey Jr./The Washington Times Marsha Deane, of Alexandria, pumps her fist, while David Petrella, of Cleveland, waves the American flag outside the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel, as the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws panel meets to consider the seating of Florida and Michigan delegations.
    Mrs. Clinton, who has virtually no chance of winning the nomination without major boosts from those states, has pushed hard for full delegations to be reinstated. She won both contests, although her rival removed his name from the Michigan ballot. Both candidates also agreed not to campaign in either state.
    As the committee announced its decisions, Clinton supporters in the room angrily shouted “Count all the votes!” and “This isn’t fair!”
    “This is not the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the ones that disenfranchise the voters,” shouted one man while thrusting his fist in the air.
    “You stripped me of my vote. How dare you,” shouted a woman from the balcony.
    After the meeting adjourned, Clinton backer Michele Thomas accused Democratic leaders of “fixing” the primary results in favor of Mr. Obama, and said she will leave the party.
    “The Democratic Party turned its back on us, and now we’re going to turn our backs on them,” said Ms. Thomas, who traveled from her home in Los Angeles to attend the hearing.
    Polls of Democratic primary voters also suggest that many Clinton supporters would not support Mr. Obama in November against the Republican nominee-in-waiting Sen. John McCain.
    Surveys of Clinton voters in recent primary states have shown that 26 percent to 36 percent, depending on the state, say they would back Mr. McCain over Mr. Obama in the general election, while just 10 percent to 18 percent of Obama supporters say they would prefer the Republican to the other Democrat in November.
    Elaine Fenwick, of Bend, Ore., makes clear her position on the issue, which has divided supporters of Democratic presidential rivals Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
    Gallup tracking reports from May 23 through May 28 showed Mrs. Clinton consistently running three to five percentage points ahead of Mr. McCain. Over the same period, Mr. Obama fared no better than a tie with the Republican senator.
    “Hillary is obviously better positioned to beat McCain than Obama,” Ms. Garrard said.
    Constanta Nour-Hinkle of Reading, Pa., who was one of a few hundred Clinton supporters who protested outside the Marriott, said she is a lifelong Democrat, but would not vote for Mr. Obama for president.
    “It would be the first time in my life I would vote Republican for president,” said Mrs. Nour-Hinkle, 35. “I think Obama is an empty shirt, the same as [President] George W. Bush, but only a Democrat.”
    John Overton, who shouted pro-Clinton slogans outside the hotel, said he would leave the party if Mr. Obama receives the Democratic nomination for president.
    “I can’t stand for the Democratic Party if they don’t stand for voters’ rights,” said Mr. Overton, who traveled from his home in Chapel Hill, N.C., to attend the rally. The party “would no longer exist to me as a party.”
    “I don’t scream like this normally. I’m a rational guy, but I’ve never felt like this before,” he added. “This has been a travesty of democracy.”
    But Johnnie Mae Collins, who traveled from Jacksonville, Fla., to attended the protests, said that while she is upset the Democratic Party disqualified her state’s primary results, she won’t leave the party.
    “Why would we abandon what we are? McCain is not for us,” Ms. Collins said. “Some people say if Obama wins they’re not going to vote for the party, but I’m not going that way. Those people who say that were never a true Democrat, that’s for sure, because for me, you’re going to stand with [the party].”
    T-shirt vendor Charles Greer of Washington said he brought his stash of Obama shirts and hats to the Rock Creek rally because he said he thought it was going to be a Democratic rally for “recounting the vote.”
    “But all I’ve heard them talk about was Hillary, Hillary, Hillary,” Mr. Greer said.
    Mr. Greer said that while some protests cursed him and waved obscene hand gestures, he still sold about 30 to 40 Obama shirts and hats.
    “Hillary shirts don’t sell well in Washington. If they did, we’d have Hillary shirts too,” he said.

    (article has a few pictures from the protest as well)
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jun/01/clintons-backers-we-wont-roll-over/?page=2

  301. Good morning everyone, I have not been able to get on at No Quarter, has anyone else had trouble?

  302. I was able to get into it today – but its been acting up.

    I saw the video of the teacher who got ejected and was bruised while being ejected from the meeting of RBC

  303. Justme, I saw that video last night, it is horrible the way the DNC has treated us women! I tell you they don’t deserve our votes in November!

  304. Fears grow that Obama can’t win

    Analysts believe white working class Democrats will defect to McCain if Clinton is not the nominee

    Paul Harris in New York The Observer, Sunday June 1 2008 Article historyWith senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party’s nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

    Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case – even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

    Obama supporters reject this argument and point to his record of boosting Democratic voter turnout, especially among the young. But sceptics in the party, already nervous about nominating Obama after the furore over outspoken pastor Jeremiah Wright, are growing increasingly concerned. ‘There is an element of buyer’s remorse in some areas. The question is whether it gets really strong now or in September – or even after the election is over, if he loses,’ said Steve Mitchell, head of political consultancy Mitchell Research.

    Another boost to Clinton’s case came late last week after a pro-Obama preacher gave a race-tinged rant against her at Obama’s church in Chicago. In a recent sermon Michael Pfleger – a long-term Obama backer who is white – mocked Clinton as an entitled white person angry at a black man having beaten her. His angry, red-faced speech, in which he mimicked Clinton weeping, was played repeatedly across American cable channels and the internet.

    The news sent shock waves through Democratic circles; many had hoped Obama had put ‘pastor problems’ behind him. ‘It is more of the same problem as Wright. It reinforces the image among some voters that Obama does not share their values,’ said Mitchell.

    The uproar also lent a disturbingly antagonistic tone to scenes in Washington DC where Clinton and Obama supporters gathered yesterday outside a party rules meeting called to resolve the problem of the disputed Michigan and Florida primaries, which Clinton claims as victories. Clinton supporters chanted ‘Count our votes!’ and waved placards and banners. Clinton wants those states’ delegations seated at the Denver convention, even though they broke party rules by holding early contests.

    Obama is now to some extent limping to the finishing line. Clinton’s refusal to bow out even though her odds of victory have become almost impossible has seen her win several of the most recent contests. In fact, since 4 March, Clinton has won around half a million more votes than Obama. That run of victories should easily continue today when Puerto Rico goes to the polls, and could even extend to the final primaries – South Dakota and Montana – which vote on Tuesday. Obama had been expected to win there, but Clinton has been campaigning furiously and it could be close.

    Clinton has been making the case for several months, as her support has grown stronger among white working class voters, that those voters will not support Obama in a general election. By contrast, experts believe Obama’s core – educated Democrats and blacks – will remain loyal to the party no matter who the nominee is. There is strong data to back that up, especially from recent votes in West Virginia and Kentucky where large proportions of Clinton voters said they would not back Obama in November.

    There is also a growing fear that many of the women backing Clinton are turning against Obama. Clinton and her supporters have controversially accused their rival, and the media, of being misogynistic in the last few weeks of the race. A recent Pew Poll showed Obama’s support among white women collapsing from 56 per cent to 43 per cent.

    But the electoral fact remains the same. The dramatic Obama vs Clinton contest is now down to a few hundred uncommitted party ‘superdelegates’, who are under huge pressure to make their decisions in the next few days. Senior party figures, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have been working privately to convince them to make that decision as soon as possible, ideally this week. With Obama’s delegate lead unassailable, the vast majority are almost certain to come over to his side.

    Republican analysts, meanwhile, are surprised about how healthy their party’s prospects look in a year when almost all indicators suggested they should lose. McCain remains competitive against Obama. He even leads in some key states. Indeed, some research predicts he could romp home against Obama.

    It is that prospect, Clinton supporters say, that leads them to keep fighting. They point to Obama’s performance in North Carolina as a bellwether: it was his strong win there earlier this month that dealt an almost fatal blow to Clinton’s chances. Yet, two weeks after that win, polls showed Clinton easily outperformed Obama there when measured against McCain. ‘Clinton has a very strong argument that she is a stronger candidate against McCain. It is just that it has fallen on deaf ears,’ said Mitchell.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/01/barackobama.uselections2008

    Even the Brits know he is a loser… WAKE UP DNC!!!!!!

  305. Hillary is not going to win in Dever if she fight all the way to dever. DNC won’t let her win. Better choice is to run as independent if it is still possible. She will win CA, MA, NJ, PA, FL, AR, WV, KY, NY, OH, RI, and so on. I think she will get 270 electral and become 44.

  306. You guys –Does anyone know what happened to NOQUARTERUSA.NET,

    i been trying to log on last night and this morning —nothing comes up ,

  307. Clinton’s backers: We won’t ‘roll over’
    Sean Lengell
    Sunday, June 1, 2008
    The Democratic Party risks the defection of many supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton unless it settles the Florida and Michigan primary fracas to their satisfaction, said protesters at pro-Clinton rallies in Washington yesterday.
    “I refuse to be associated with a party that is stupid, self-destructive and undemocratic, and now, I’m beginning to realize, is misogynistic,” said Norma Broude, an American University professor who was among more than 1,000 Clinton supporters at a “count the vote” rally at Rock Creek Park.
    Friend and fellow American University professor Mary Garrard agreed, saying that she will not vote for Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Sen. Barack Obama, if he receives the party’s presidential nomination.
    “The Democratic Party has disdained the female demographic, they have demeaned Hillary Clinton, and this time we’re not going to roll over,” Ms. Garrard said.
    As the pro-Clinton contingent, which was largely female but racially and generationally mixed, rallied in the park, Democratic leaders were gathered a few blocks away at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel to decide the fate of the combined 313 disqualified delegates from Florida and Michigan, and, in turn, the fate of Mrs. Clinton’s long-shot chance of overcoming Mr. Obama’s delegate lead.
    Democratic leadership disqualified the delegates and barred them from attending the party’s August convention in Denver as punishment for the states moving their primaries ahead of Feb. 5 – a violation of party rules. They decided last night to award half-votes to each state’s delegates and apportion the delegates to the two candidates in a ratio that did not satisfy the Clinton team.
    Mrs. Clinton, who has virtually no chance of winning the nomination without major boosts from those states, has pushed hard for full delegations to be reinstated. She won both contests, although her rival removed his name from the Michigan ballot. Both candidates also agreed not to campaign in either state.
    As the committee announced its decisions, Clinton supporters in the room angrily shouted “Count all the votes!” and “This isn’t fair!”
    “This is not the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the ones that disenfranchise the voters,” shouted one man while thrusting his fist in the air.
    “You stripped me of my vote. How dare you,” shouted a woman from the balcony.
    After the meeting adjourned, Clinton backer Michele Thomas accused Democratic leaders of “fixing” the primary results in favor of Mr. Obama, and said she will leave the party.
    “The Democratic Party turned its back on us, and now we’re going to turn our backs on them,” said Ms. Thomas, who traveled from her home in Los Angeles to attend the hearing.
    Polls of Democratic primary voters also suggest that many Clinton supporters would not support Mr. Obama in November against the Republican nominee-in-waiting Sen. John McCain.
    Surveys of Clinton voters in recent primary states have shown that 26 percent to 36 percent, depending on the state, say they would back Mr. McCain over Mr. Obama in the general election, while just 10 percent to 18 percent of Obama supporters say they would prefer the Republican to the other Democrat in November.
    Elaine Fenwick, of Bend, Ore., makes clear her position on the issue, which has divided supporters of Democratic presidential rivals Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
    Gallup tracking reports from May 23 through May 28 showed Mrs. Clinton consistently running three to five percentage points ahead of Mr. McCain. Over the same period, Mr. Obama fared no better than a tie with the Republican senator.
    “Hillary is obviously better positioned to beat McCain than Obama,” Ms. Garrard said.
    Constanta Nour-Hinkle of Reading, Pa., who was one of a few hundred Clinton supporters who protested outside the Marriott, said she is a lifelong Democrat, but would not vote for Mr. Obama for president.
    “It would be the first time in my life I would vote Republican for president,” said Mrs. Nour-Hinkle, 35. “I think Obama is an empty shirt, the same as [President] George W. Bush, but only a Democrat.”
    John Overton, who shouted pro-Clinton slogans outside the hotel, said he would leave the party if Mr. Obama receives the Democratic nomination for president.
    “I can’t stand for the Democratic Party if they don’t stand for voters’ rights,” said Mr. Overton, who traveled from his home in Chapel Hill, N.C., to attend the rally. The party “would no longer exist to me as a party.”
    “I don’t scream like this normally. I’m a rational guy, but I’ve never felt like this before,” he added. “This has been a travesty of democracy.”
    But Johnnie Mae Collins, who traveled from Jacksonville, Fla., to attended the protests, said that while she is upset the Democratic Party disqualified her state’s primary results, she won’t leave the party.
    “Why would we abandon what we are? McCain is not for us,” Ms. Collins said. “Some people say if Obama wins they’re not going to vote for the party, but I’m not going that way. Those people who say that were never a true Democrat, that’s for sure, because for me, you’re going to stand with [the party].”
    T-shirt vendor Charles Greer of Washington said he brought his stash of Obama shirts and hats to the Rock Creek rally because he said he thought it was going to be a Democratic rally for “recounting the vote.”
    “But all I’ve heard them talk about was Hillary, Hillary, Hillary,” Mr. Greer said.
    Mr. Greer said that while some protests cursed him and waved obscene hand gestures, he still sold about 30 to 40 Obama shirts and hats.
    “Hillary shirts don’t sell well in Washington. If they did, we’d have Hillary shirts too,” he said.

  308. I read a comment by a Obama blogger that says PR does not count? Has anybody heard that before?

  309. djia Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Mr. Greer said that while some protests cursed him and waved obscene hand gestures, he still sold about 30 to 40 Obama shirts and hats.
    “Hillary shirts don’t sell well in Washington. If they did, we’d have Hillary shirts too,” he said.

    (SORRY TO BUTT IN LIKE THIS )

    But about the obama t-shirts ,may be people bought it ,so they can burn them or to use it take dirt off ,to clean cars ,to put it on thier pets –esp. if someone has a donkey,or may be THEY WERE OBAMA,S SUPPORTERS WHO WERE THIER TO WATCH HILL SUPP…

  310. confloyd Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am
    I read a comment by a Obama blogger that says PR does not count? Has anybody heard that before?

    Yup -every state that obama might loose –it should not count like FL-MI were beauty contests per OBAMA,,,,

    and puerto rico does count in primaries but they can not vote in general election.

  311. ok –noquarter is up –than god ,i thought may be obamabots hijacked it ,

    take care everyone .

  312. I will be glad to see this video that has! I just wonder why he is waiting until Monday to drop it. I guess its probably a news thing. Friday it was all about the Father, Saturday, it was all about the DNC rules, and today will be about PR. I guess Monday is a good day and in plenty of time for SD and Montana!

  313. good morning all,

    just a reiteration, BHO will not get my vote.

    My anger at the democratic party is over, I will no longer support it as it is today, I have no more energy.

  314. confloyd…..no link, they were on tv with wolf just now spewing their “party unity” and how yesterday was a GOOD thing
    for all.

    neither would say that they thought there should be a “dream ticket” outcome (personally obama anywhere near the ticket is a nightmare!)

    harold ickes is coming up next with wolf on cnn

  315. Unity

    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
    Posted on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:06:13 AM EST

    I am amazed at the view expressed by Obama supporters that unifying the Democratic Party is a problem for Hillary Clinton. Like me, they all expect Barack Obama to be the nominee, but they insist that the problem of unifying the Democratic Party belongs to Hillary Clinton. This is an incredibly obtuse view. Obama is going to be the candidate who will win or lose in November. It will be HIS job to unify the Party. Ezra Klein does not see it that way:

    [There is an] authentic, deep anger among Clinton supporters. And that’s not a problem the Rules Committee can resolve. This one is up to Clinton herself.
    Um no. That is up to the likely nominee, Barack Obama. It will be his campaign this Fall. Not Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

    Speaking for me only

  316. debbie, I totally get you with that “I have no more energy”. Me too! It is really depressing, time after time, we get cheated by the republicans and now we are cheated by our own party!

    I think this has been the plan all along. I think they were going to run Blogjevich/Obama, then the Governor was in knee deep and they decided to run with Obama. They had all this planned against Hillary since 04′. They all did it and I will not be surprised if some of the Republicans helped them. I, however don’t think McCain was in on it because he is an outsider!

  317. The polls close at 3 pm.
    Its not Hillary place to unite the party, its the person who tore the party apart problem!

  318. confloyd I agree. No ONE has even called or accused Obama of destroying the party! No ONE has called on Obama during his ever so graceful me me me press conference on why he HAS NOT apologized to Hillary for the priest’s comments on her! Digusting!

  319. Ickes was great!! used the line “high jacked” several times told the whole story didn’t allow BS by MSM
    he got the word out on yesterday!

    he said, Hillary reserved her right to the credentials committiee hearing at the end of june

    also got out how BO has not mentioned anything to or about hillary in pflegers comments (showed him(bo)to be the shallow flim flam man that he is)

  320. Justme, I find the unapologetic Obama most infuriating. The man has no feeling for anyone except for himself. I can’t wait to see him fall, rather we get him with this new video or we help the McCain get him, I can’t wait!
    If Hillary is not the nominee, I am going to go Republican for the rest of my life. I not going thru this again!

  321. At his press conference, Obama was asked about whether he was denouncing Trinity.

    “I am not denouncing the church. I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church because it’s not a church worthy of denouncing. And so if they’ve seen caricatures of the church and accept those caricatures despite my insistence that’s not what the church is about, then there’s not much I can do about it,” Obama said.

    What a tool…….. there is no damn way i could ever cast my vote for such a piece of shit!

  322. So he’s denouncing the church but not denouncing the church. He’s leaving because its visibly good to do so the fucker.

  323. what did I hear yesterday from Dean about his conversation with Gore about his 2004 run…Gore supposedly told Dean it isn’t about you it’s about the country…

    well Dean let me say this to you…it is very much about the country and not the democratic party… Hillary is what is best for this country and I will not fall into line with the democratic party for the sake of “unity”

  324. moon……..what pisses me off the most about that statement is this part

    “I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church “

  325. So they want HILLARY to heal the party? And Bill? Even the Clintons can’t stop what is going to happen with her supporters first of all, and second of all, it is OBAMA’s reponsibility to do this, it won’t work, but it’s his job. Everyone would expect her to do it for his supporters if she wins.

  326. He’s not interested in anyone who doesnt listen to anything he says. He’s a meglomaniac.

  327. I believe that the original decision to ban FL and MI was based on power (“They cannot disobey us”) and a desperate attempt to preserve IA and NH (which is a bad idea) and ignored the main point of winning the election. It was a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    Yesterday’s decision was an attempt to put lipstick on the pig because nobody was going to say “we really goofed”. FL got punished because the Republican legislature moved up the primary. That should mollify FL — not!

    But in MI, they stepped on a land mine. They have seriously damaged the party and the electoral system. On what basis do you award votes to a man who took himself off the ballot and therefore received no votes? By what authority do you take votes from a candidate who earned them?

    It is no longer a ‘one man, one vote’ system. It is no longer a ‘count every vote’ system. It is now a ‘vote for A but we may count it for B’ system. It is a ’30 people can do what they will with your votes’ system.

    Ickes is right — why stop at 4 delegates? In the interest of unity, why not declare a unanimous vote for Obama? What is the difference?

    I would think that a MI voter should be able to sue the DNC for hijacking their vote. If that isn’t illegal, we should immediately make it so.

    David Bonior repeated the mantra that we’ll come back to the party when we compare Obama to McCain. Sorry, David. We have already compared them and Obama doesn’t come out on top.

    Cling to your ‘unity’ candidate and split the party. ‘Hope’ that we’ll come back. You got your ‘change’ when you invented votes. And now for the really big change — we old, female, racist, uneducated white trash are leaving. Goodbye.

  328. I remember when Moveon.org helped defeated Joe Liberman in primary in 2006, he was called to unity behind the winner. but he run as ind. and won.

    Moveon.org has the habit to get loser win in primary. Hillary should run as independent.

  329. I want to say to all of you that are feeling “Deflated” “out of energy”

    GET OVER IT!!! GET TOUGH!!!

    we need to stay strong! we need to find our backbones and a really good nose plug!!
    We NEED TO FIGHT!! we can not become weakend by this, we need to find strength in our anger

    we need to fight for Democracy and our Constitutional rights here……..this is the fight of our lifetime!!
    it is the same fight our founding fathers had to fight against the british believe it or not…..and if they would of given up, ran out of energy in the face of defeat and set backs……..we all would not have known the things we have known in our life times!!

    we only become weak when we stand alone……bind together!! there is strength in numbers!! gather together sisters and brothers lock arms together stand in a circle around Hillary and don’t let go of each other!!!

    AS we stand together they can not tear us apart………we will prevail!! it will get much worse before it will get better
    but rest assured so long as we stand tall, stand strong……our fight will continue! and we will win! because for us THERE IS NO OTHER WAY WE WILL ACCEPT!!

  330. We all need to get together and send a letter and our signatures and tell Hillary we are not uniting behind this bafoon!

  331. I personally want Iowa removed from being the first primary. Why the hell shouldnt other states go first.

    starting with the lowest. All the states with 3 electoral votes.

    SD, Vermont, Deleware, DC, ND and WY.

    and the top 4 honking states. California, NY, Texas and Florida.

    All together 10 states in 1 days.

  332. or even better for fairness, the first 4 drawn out of a draw get to host the first 4 primaries.

  333. meiyingsu

    I totally agree. Obama is responsible for the uniting of the Party, the Clintons are not. He has no uniting abilities, and they want to use the Clintons.

    To me is is like abusing a women, and sweet talking her into coming, back and using her to do your dirty work.

    The feeling run deep, and will not be resolved by making nice.

  334. From realclearpolitics—

    I want an unearned Michigan delegate too.

    Since the DNC is giving away delegates to people who chose not to be on the Michigan Primary ballot – I would like to say that:

    . As in years past, this year I chose not to be on the Michigan Democratic Primary ballot.

    and

    B. I would like a Michigan delegate in Denver. I am not greedy. I only want one unearned delegate – not four like Obama. We can go to cocktail parties and vote platform planks like: “Whose better- Obama or Jesus?” or “Should Mystery Date become the official Democratic Party board game?”

    Does anyone else who chose not to be on the Michigan Ballot want one, too? I mean I was a Democrat between March of 1981 and June of 2008 – that should get me at least one unearned delegate.

    The DNC’s phone number is: 1- 202-863-8000.

    Let’s all call and ask.

  335. Hilarious, Hillarys more competitive in Louisiana than Obama

    McCain/Obama 50 to 41 + 9
    McCain Clinton 47 to 40 + 7

  336. The Obama Way of Ending Divisiveness

    When Barack Obama says he wants to end the divisiveness in politics, I believe him. When Obama says he wants to bring about unity, I believe him. When Obama says he wants to work for a new politics free from bitter partisanship, I believe him. When Obama says he wants to have vigorous debate, a robust discussion or a national dialogue to bring this about, I believe him — TO BE LYING —

    FROM AMERICAN THINKER(posted at realclearpolitics)

  337. confloyd — I agree on the letter.

    Let’s disabuse the Dem power structure of the notion that the thought of McCain will scare us back to Obama.

    As I said earlier, we already have compared the two and Obama does NOT come out ahead.

    Abusing us by calling us “not real Democrats” will not do it either.

    Meanwhile, I believe that Hillary is still in it and I will back her all the way to Denver.

  338. The DNC is now guessing votes based on exit polls now and then using them to give delegates, seriously, is this how we run elections now.

    Can you say “banana republic” Mugabe and the other crackpot dictators must be laughing at us.

  339. dija,
    I will never lose the energy to fight for my country, but I will not use it to fight for a party that does not want me. I will not go into the long list of why as you too must be aware of the overwhelming reasons.
    The democratic party itself has a lot of healing to do and the wounds are very deep.

    My stand is not anti BHO or pro Hillary it is about principle. It is about the apathy of the American voter. It is about a broken system that we allowed over the years to ingrain itself into the fibers of true democracy “of, for, and by the people”.

    Our founders fought for our right to have a free and open government and our right to participate in it. Today we have neither.

  340. Moonpluto, The little state caucas’s are the ones selecting this year’s nominee anyway. They rigged the whole thing to make it look like Hillary has been losing all along!
    Those states out west, will be red come November, this whole thing is a crock! They merely want the Clinton’s out. They’ve planned this 04′. The only thing they did not plan on was us! LOL! (middle white america)

  341. You said Confloyd, the whole thing is bullshit should not have bothered with a primary, they already had picked fuckface long ago.

  342. djia, yeah our forefathers fought for open government and Bambi wants open/transparent government. That closed lunch session yesterday was not open or transparent.

  343. Obama Defeats FL/MI But Loses Support Of Feminist Lobby & Female Voters
    Obama Loses Support Of The Feminist Lobby & Female Voters

    It took just hours for the DNC to determine that Florida & Michigan would only receive 50% of their delegation and Michigan would award 46% of their delegation to Barack Obama. In the end, just as I have pointed out over the past few days, the DNC made sure that they appeared sympathetic to Michigan & Florida voters without making a decision that would jeopardize their anointed candidate. Let me make this clear, today’s exercise by the DNC amounted to nothing more than a publicity stunt. The 30 person committee that rendered their decision today was made up of 8 Obama supporters and 7 DNC representatives hand picked by Dean; allowing Dean & Obama to garnish a majority vote without Dean actually having to cast a vote. The members of this committee had their minds made up when they announce the meeting, not after today’s public hearings.

    http://www.politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-defeats-flmi-but-loses-support-of.html

  344. Freckles, I got an email from Maggie that said that 350,000 people emailed the DNC over the Fl and MI voters. If we can get those same people to email Hillary and send a cc to the DNC, maybe we could wheel a little power!

  345. confloyd…… i am sure hillary is getting at least that many letters of support probably much much more!

    I have sent my thoughts and feelings to her and others of her staff regularily 😀

  346. Just got a news flash, Bloomburg is on McCain’s short list Interesting. He has all sort of strong choices to bring this home.

  347. CNN trying to say the turnout is low in PR, more than likely trying to disuade people from turning up.

  348. No, I think the letter should say something like this: We as your avid supporters will not be uniting behind the DNC’s selection of a nominee, therefore we will be voting for McCain. We know that you would like for us to unite behind him, but we feel we can’t because of these factors: write all of our reasons here and get the signatures!

  349. ok guys and gals……..I need to take a break from sitting on the computer, yesterday was a long day full of disapointment and anger not to mention packing and laundry up to my eyeballs LOL…

    I am going out into the sunshine today……..I think we all could use a little sunshine 😀

    so y’all have a nice day! and i will check in again later

  350. Found this tidbit over at TM. Obama is offering her a cabinet position for getting out of the race. It will he health and human services! What a crock!

  351. I heard they are going to try and offer Hillary a spot a health secretary……lol, and want her to head efforts for healthcare reform! What a f***ing insult. As the poster on TM said, like she would want to push a non-universal healthcare position first of all, and secondly, they think this will end the problems with her voters not supporting him…..LOL LOL! Pulleeeeze. Check out TM hot topics session, it’s called make war NOT peace.

    This is not helping unify anything…..first it was the way she has been treated, now the DNC ruling with the 4 hijacked delegates, and now this bs. ENOUGH!

  352. Everyone is sounding really upbeat over at TM, why not here. I just looked over there for a bit! Apparent Wolfson and Mcallife sounded very optimistic!

  353. What a freaking insult! Like sayin’: please come on over Hillary and do this thing for me cause I don’t know how.

  354. Jeffrey Toobin sayin’ it’s the “older women” demographic that’s angry. These guys continue to be clueless. How old is an older woman? What about some of yall who are younger men or older men….Toobin is clueless

  355. Calling for a REVOLUTION to return our nation to
    something we can all be proud of. Susan B Anthony is quoted as saying, “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”
    Think about it. We have let the mantle of women, motherhood, and the welfare of our nation lay too long in the hands of those to whom we are invisible.

    Join now!
    newwomensparty@aol.com

  356. hi hillfans. i given up on firefox for now. big pink format is so messed up there i have no choice but to go back to my old aol format.

  357. A few things:

    I just read on TM that Dean admitted today there was sexism in the campaign. Trying to suck up to HRC’s supporters, Howie? Stick it where the sun don’t shine. Where were you when it mattered?

    Also, someone on TM said nervous SDs told Waffles to leave Trinity. Like he couldn’t figure that out on his own?

  358. from noquarter:
    ***********************************************
    PaganPowercloseAuthor

    Just when I thought the audacity had reached it’s summit I am yet again surprised at the ego of Barack Obama. According to the UK Telegraph, senior members of the Obama campaign have been working behind the scenes trying to offer Hillary a way to find a “dignified” way to exit this race. Yes, you read that right. Obama is offering Hillary something dignified. Hillary. Hillary Clinton.

    Talk about your audacity.

    Fair warning: This stuff is liable to piss you off!

    Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

    The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

    Obama and his minions actually believe that Hillary would want to steer a health care policy through the legislative process that DOES NOT offer Universal Health Care to ALL Americans? These folks aren’t just audacious, they are stupid as hell. If there is one thing that Hillary has made the centerpiece of her campaign to become President it is Universal Health Care. Not the Obama screw around the edges Health Care for SOME Americans. REAL Universal Health care.

    Now I realize that Obama Cultists don’t have the slightest idea what REAL actually means. Their whole movement is based upon lies, thugs, smoke and mirrors. So I almost have sympathy for them. But you notice I used the word ALMOST.

    You might imagine that after Hillary experienced the first act of generosity from Senator Obama where he offered to allow her to have 19 delegates from Florida she might not be overly enthused. And then after Obama made his second gesture of generosity by offering to split the delegates from Michigan 50/50 when he wasn’t even on the ballot you wouldn’t be surprised (would you?) if Hillary didn’t tell Obama to F off. And to his face.

    But according to the Audacious Cult, they believe that offering Hillary a part in the Obama cabinet is the way to bring about peace. What absolute fools.

    Senior figures in the Obama camp have told Democrat colleagues that the offer to Mrs Clinton of a cabinet post as health secretary or to steer new legislation through the Senate will be a central element of their peace overtures to the New York senator.

    Pete Seeger said it best:

    To everything (turn, turn, turn)
    There is a season (turn, turn, turn)
    And a time for every purpose, under heaven

    A time of love, a time of hate
    A time of war, a time of peace
    A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing

    And my friends, this is a Time of War.

  359. Here is where I am.

    I will work tirelessly to make sure that the inexperienced, narcisistic, machine-pol with long-term affiliations to anti-American extremists doesn’t get anywhere near the White House.

    After the dem party and the drivers of this conspiracy – Brazlie, Dean, et al, – are handed the strongest repudiation possible in November, it will be time to think about HRC 2012.

  360. terrondt,
    Thanks for mentioning that! I haven’t been able to post for days as the font formatting was appearing so oversized I couldn’t get the ‘submit comment’ button to click and post comments.

    Oh, I am not a happy camper!

  361. I haven’t given up on 2008 yet! But, again, Obama has nothing to be proud of. That’s like cheatin’ in a game and then goin’ home and sayin’, “I won! I won!”

  362. About browsers, I’ve never had any problem with h44 on Opera. (It works ok on Firefox too.)

    The only tiny drawback is that by the time I set the zoom to make the typeface easy to read, it makes the column very narrow.

  363. First, thanks for the Susan B. Anthony quote. It was perfect (For those that missed it).

    Susan B Anthony is quoted as saying, “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”

    Paula: Dean has had phone conversations (I think I read it in this Blog), and he acted like he did not have a clue. Too Little Too late. It is like the guy who beat up his wife, and asks for forgiveness so she will stay. DON’T BE A SUCKER, HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.

    I also knew that his quick announcemnt yesterday had to do with either SDs who might jump or SDs he is trying to get to endorse. After all he works for the SDs, and not for the popular voters. We have already seen that.

    TO THE SDS, WHAT EVER YOU TOOK, OR ARE ABOUT TO TAKE, THINK ABOUT IT. YOUR WORK FOR THE AMERICAN VOTER IN YOUR DISTRICT, STATE, AND COUNTRY, AND WE ARE MAD YOU HAVE NOT PAID ATTENTION TO US. ENJOY YOUR POSiTION OR MONEY. THE VOTERS WILL HAVE THERE SAY IN NOVEMBER, AND IN FUTURE ELECTIONS.

  364. Well said, NewMexico. The Democratic Party ceased to represent fundamental democratic principles during this election cycle.

  365. Dean is can take that olive branch that he is trying to hand us and shove it up his *ss.

    Where was the outrage when:

    BO said “PERIODICALLY when Senator Clinton is feeling down, she feels the need to attack to make herself feel better.”

    BO said “When you attack the status quo, the CLAWS come out.”

    When BO and MO had “99 Problems but the B*TCH ain’t one” at their victory party in IA.

    When Matthews said that the only reason that she was elected Senator was because her husband “fooled around.”

    When pundit after pundit compared her to a scolding wife, an embittered ex-wife, a b*tchy teacher, etc. etc. etc.

    TOO LITTLE TO LATE. Ain’t coming home, Dean. Voting HRC or McCain in Nov.

  366. Notice they’re not offering her the VP slot – not that she would take it, lol.

    BTW, Taylor Marsh’s post on the MI debacle is great.

    Also just returned from the McCain blog where I was fighting off Obamabots with the help of McCain-ites. BTW, someone there coined the term HillMacs for ex-Hillary-ites now supporting McCain.

  367. thanks blue dem. i was hoping i am not the only one having problems on firefox. i hate going back to my old aol format though. not as clear and great as firefox. i may have to download a new version of it.

  368. paula, the mccainiacs have been very welcoming of hillfans over the past few months. i go on there from time to time.

  369. Paula, aren’t the McCain supporters great at ridiculing the obamabots? I laugh at some of the responses. The obamabots are such idiots, without any reasoning or logical thinking capabilities.

    BTW, even if the turnout is 20% in PR, that is still alot of votes.

  370. birdgal, Yeah, they’re definitely good at that, lol.

    One Obamabot said she’d rather lose in November than have the Clintons keep control of the Dem Party, and one of the McCain supporters said, “Well, you’ll get your wish.”

  371. i agree, they can slapp down the bots with the best of them on mccain’s blog. LIKE MY GRANDMA USED TO SAY” A GOOD OLE BUTT WHIPPIN WOULD SET U STRAIGHT BOY”.

  372. debbie Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    good morning all,

    just a reiteration, BHO will not get my vote.

    My anger at the democratic party is over, I will no longer support it as it is today, I have no more energy.
    ===============================

    IF they nominate BO, then we don’t need energy. The GOP has plenty of energy. We can just ride along on their bus or wave while they do it.

  373. 1950DEM, everyone here knows i will support hillary to the end. i feel like you. i am just drained. in 24 years i have never seen this kind of election year. never. i think 1968 without the riots is close but i was not around then.

  374. Hi, catching up on the comments…can’t help but that t-shirt guy selling obama shirts in washington yesterday really missed his sales…if he had taken Hillary t-shirts he would have sold out…just shows you how short sighted these people are…

    someone needs to make a t-shirt with the democratic party in a circle with a big red X thru it and an equal sign to the obama party…

    …the obama party just does not understand how important the women are to the democratic party…

    the dnc has no idea how serious we are about not voting for obama…in their power drunken state, they are in denial…

  375. with BO as the nominee and having his ass handed to him in november, let’s have some real unity and have HRC as McCain’s Sec of State.

  376. How about a sticker, and maybe a t-shirt with the Susan B. Anthony quote:

    Susan B Anthony is quoted as saying, “No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her.”

  377. @paula,
    Have been trying to blog on the McCain site but it is slower than dirt. Do you have same experience? Is there another other blog other than the official one on his website?

  378. So I guess it’s pretty simple. We’ll finish these primaries, the SD’s will push BO over the new finish line, the media will rejoice and Hill will have to have a press conference where she says she’s accepting of the decision and will support BO –

    WHEN HELL FUCKING FREEZES OVER!

    DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!

    cause I know you missed me 🙂

  379. ann, for some strange reason not only is mccain’s blog is slow but i cannot see the screenames on the blog. does anybody else have this problem. ever since mccain’s blog changed their format.

  380. Once again, the Obama people don’t get it. They can now iron Hillary’s shirts, offer her posts, give her money, and abjectly apologize. It won’t help.

    We want Hillary as president because we think she would be wonderful. We don’t want Obama because we think he would be awful. No belated improvement of behaviour or tone or decency will change that evaluation.

    Obama is indecent. His supporters are indecent. The Democratic leadership is indecent. IMHO.
    And I will not support any of it unless they come to their senses.

  381. the more i think of HRC as SoS, what fun to see the look on the faces of pelosi, dean, BO and his lovely wife as McCain and HRC bridge the divide between GOP and real DEMs.

  382. These things can turn on a dime, lets see what Monday brings.

    All good things come to those who wait, is what i heard from certain people today.

  383. terrondt: put the cursor over the name, then it is highlighted.

    There is another issue blog, but I haven’t visited it very much. It is called macpac08.

    The blog has actually improved, if you can believe it. The colors used to be green and black.

  384. this is the democratic party’s response to Hillary supporters

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/06/01/woman-bruised-at-dnc-rules-committee-meeting/

  385. According to one of the NoQuarters Posters, the Michelle Obama tape is supposedly in the hands of CAVUTO, at Fox News…

  386. I am going to support McCain just long enough to defeat BO resoundingly so that HRC can run again in 2012.

  387. skmf12, I like that sticker! Unified for Mccain Hillary08.

    I am at work today, so I can get Friday off to go to convention for Hillary. I have had to work extra just for the time to take off for the convention. So when I get to the Texas Convention friday I may be mad as hell, so just let one of those Obamaniacs try and intimidate me, I will cry voter intimidation so loud you guys will hear my in California and New York and all places in between. This chick will not go down easy!

  388. Moonpluto, Cavuto huh! I have always thought he was a closet Hill fan! LOL!! Bring it on Neal!!

  389. George Stephanopolous has stated the the Clinton campaign is waiting for more to break on Obama and they know its coming.

    Former Clinton operative and ABC pseudo-journalist says that Hillary Clinton’s campaign is waiting on more to break on Obama and his church, and that that’s why Obama left his church yesterday.

    Looks like something nasty is about to crawl out of the woodwork.

  390. Is it just me or do the msm seem to know something is about to hit the fan. Hints seem to be flying out all over the place today.

  391. Dear Chairman Roosevelt

    I am part of the traditional Democratic coalition which the party leadership seeks to replace or marginalize in its quest create a new coalition. That much is clear from the remarks of undeclared Obama supporters like Donna Brazille.

    Many of us were deeply disappointed by actions of your committee with respect to Michigan. It was painful to watch the votes of Americans twisted, carved up and rendered meaningless by their Party. The members who engineered this outcome have violated a sacred trust for the sake of political expediency.

    By what sophistry of reason can your committee : i) strip delegates from someone who earned them, ii) award delegates as well as superdelegates to someone who was not on the ballot and iii) invalidate the popular vote? Frankly, these are the actions of a banana republic—not a great political institution.

    Some claim this was a compromise. That is pure poppycock. This was a forfeiture of rights conferred to Senator Clinton by Michigan voters through a referendum. That forfeiture was inimical to the traditions of our country. Worse it is a harbinger of how this new leadership coalition would govern the country if they are able to win in the nomination and prevail in November.

    As one prominent Democrat pointed out this decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy, and serves to disenfranchise 600,000 Democratic voters. To do this before the eyes of the world is a travesty. I urge you to reflect on this while this decision remains fresh in your mind.

    For better or worse, your committee has sent a powerful message to centrist Democrats that the Party no longer represents their interests. It reinforces the condescending words of Senator Obama and his hyper zealous supporters.

    It remains to be seen how centrists will react. But I seriously doubt they will be seduced or threatened into compliance this time around. They have witnessed too much. I rather suspect they will leave the Party or stay home in November if it fails to nominate Senator Clinton.

    How ironic since the stated objective of the decision was to promote unity. As always actions speak louder than words.
    WB

  392. Now I understand why BO wants so badly to meet with our external enemies…..he has been hanging out with our domestic ones for his whole career.

  393. confloyd,

    two things that always bring em runnin:

    RAPE
    and
    VOTER INTIMIDATION (same thing actually)

    remember, it seems the loudest supporter gets heard…

    have fun 🙂

  394. I think appropriate punishment would have been to deny all the superdelegates in FL & MI and allow the voters delegates to be seated at 100%. It was elected officials in these states that allowed the the early move or did not reschedule a new primary so they should be punished not the voters.

  395. Ann, You mean become Republican for 5 minutes? A little of BO’s own medicine in reverse?

  396. So, will Cavuto show it now, or wait till Waffles is entrenched as the nominee? BTW, that could be what Larry Johnson was talking about on No Quarter, someone in the media now possessing it.

  397. Father Pfleger Bashed Clintons…Again
    June 01, 2008 12:02 PM

    Apparently last Sunday, Father Michael Pfleger — the fiery liberal activist and longtime friend and associate of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois — gave another sermon mentioning the Clintons disparagingly, in addition to the one he gave at Obama’s (now former) church.

    At his own church, St. Sabina’s, Pfleger said, “Hillary and McCain would wish they had a preacher with the integrity of Jeremiah Wright. … They got some old weak preacher…some old Joel Osteen cotton candy preacher.”

    Listen to it HERE. The comments come at about 15:40 into the sermon.

    On March 2, Bill and Chelsea Clinton went to Joel Osteen’s church in Houston.

    That’s not cool? Something wrong with Osteen?

    – jpt

    to hear the audio here is the link to the story
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/father-pfleger.html

  398. Paula perhaps that is the point that, we are going to make it known that we know they have it and we are going to force it out of them.

  399. I was just about to mention Pfleger’s new comments. Yeah, his apology to Hillary was really sincere.

  400. Yeah, and Larry Johnson, I think, has seen it,and will release what he knows by monday @ 9 am, so we’ll see. He is an avid HRC supporter,so I can’t wait. I hope this video kills his campaign. We need it tobe released, and there are more than 1 copy.

  401. djia,

    he is tired of waiting, he’s been waiting for that life changing documentary axelrod promised him. he cant let rev wright get all
    the spotlight…

    ofcourse, axelrod has probably given or promised to give half of
    chicago something, like he has the democratic party, to get
    his guy in. oh and thus himself in…

  402. If someone has information vital to the American public, why can’t the legal people force it out, like they do when other people have information?

    I am a lawyer, so I don’t know.

  403. Well is it possible that this video coming out is timed directly for the last 2 primaries and Obama preparing to declare himself winner on Tuesday. It would be the real knife to his heart if this all came crashing down on Monday.

  404. I hope Larry’s info, coupled with the video (I hope) will come out monday and be devastating. MO, ripping white America. Cannot wait.

  405. Paula Says:

    June 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    terrondt, I can’t see the names of the posters at McCain’s blog either

    Put your cursor after “by” and the name will be highlighted. I don’t know, why they did that. The obamabots have infiltrated that site. The obamabots are a bunch of unenlightened and hateful group of people.

  406. moon, Who reported what Stephanopoulos said? That’s interesting …

    BTW, wouldn’t it be really karmic if the video is released the day Waffles claims the nomination? LOL!

  407. Paula, if this tape is really as bad and exists like many people are saying then Obama is fucked because he cannot just wipe it off as some crazy as uncle, its his wife and the SD’s would bolt faster than shit down a drain.

  408. # confloyd Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 10:58 am

    I read a comment by a Obama blogger that says PR does not count? Has anybody heard that before?
    &&&&&

    PR and other “territories” don’t get to vote in the GE, but they are certainly counted in the primaries.

    So they’ll have higher proportional representation than say, Florida or Michigan.

  409. Has there been any feedback as to what the people of Florida and Michigan make of these deals especially the 900K and 350K that voted for Hillary.

  410. I think appropriate punishment would have been to deny all the superdelegates in FL & MI and allow the voters delegates to be seated at 100%. It was elected officials in these states that allowed the the early move or did not reschedule a new primary so they should be punished not the voters.
    ———————————————–
    Debbie: you are absolutely right. This would punish the right perp and the punishment would fit the crime. But when I listened to Levins plea on behalf of Michigan, and the formula which he propose and the committee subsequently adopted it was more about covering the mistakes of state and dnc officials than respecting the rights of voters. As a result innocent people were punished to attone for the sins of the guilty.

  411. The obamabots are nuts. Of course, PR counts in the primary, just like the Virgin Islands and Guam. No one is discounting their votes or delegates. What a bunch of idiots. They really do not understand how stupid and uninformed they sound. The territories count in the primary, but not the GE, which is weird to me, but it is the DNC.

  412. Just got a Hillary gram. They finish with we will unify behind the nominee etc.

    I have a gut feeling that there is some reason they are hitting this so hard. I don’t see Obama saying it.

    If she pulls this out, he will look poorly with the party, if he does not support her.

  413. One thing we know is that Hillary keeps her word, and she did say that she would fight for the democrat nominee for president. So based on her words I believe she will not vie for an independent slot. I can see her taking this to the convention but the truth is it is now up to superdelegates. If they do not support her she will stand behind BHO per her own words.

    I’m not a fatalist, just realistic. The DNC will NOT allow Hillary to be the nominee.

    Please understand I have not wavered at all in my support for Hillary, however I will not follow her into a VP or cabinet slot nor will I follow her support of of BHO in any form.

  414. Things change Debbie, no matter what is said now, if I was subjected to what that bastard has done to her, I’d tell him in no uncertain terms how he could go fuck himself.

    Why should the Clintons show any loyalty to the Democratic party after what they have consistently done to them over the course of the last 6 months. I want them to pay for what they’ve done, with it either as Hillary as President removing them systematically or as an outsider pissing on them from a great height.

  415. # debbie Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    I think appropriate punishment would have been to deny all the superdelegates in FL & MI and allow the voters delegates to be seated at 100%. It was elected officials in these states that allowed the the early move or did not reschedule a new primary so they should be punished not the voters.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    The Republican-controlled legistlature in FL deliberately screwed the Dems over. For a doctoral-thesis-caliber review, the following piece by Wayne Barrett from 3/31 goes into all the gory details. A must read:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-barrett/could-the-republicans-cou_b_94158.html

  416. debbie, me too! I do think Hillary saying she will fight like hell for the nominee, maybe she means herself! LOL!! I am going to enjoy the destruction of the Obamanicas and Obama!
    I still think she did somewhat good yesterday because she moved the goal line yesterday, tomorrow the proverbial poop hits the fan! 🙂
    Its not over til the lady in the pantsuit say so, lets remember that!

  417. Moononpluto, Roger stone a republican operative claims that one of the networks has the tape. He also claimed that as the reason why Hillary stayed in the race. The Dem operative did not think she is in the race for that reason. Strangely enough he did not deny that the tape exists only called it republican dirty trick. I think most Dem operatives know that such a tape exists.

  418. There is hope, we still haven’t heard all there is with Rezko, and there is the “whitey” tape possibly coming out before the convention. But honestly, BHO has been a teflon candidate so far nothing sticks.

  419. debbie, I agree with you; she’s a woman of her word.

    clintondem99, are they showing the tape???

  420. Roger Stone may be right about the tape, but he’s a slimeball. He started an anti-HRC organization with the initials C.U.N.T.

  421. NewMexicoFan Says:
    June 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Just got a Hillary gram. They finish with we will unify behind the nominee etc. I have a gut feeling that there is some reason they are hitting this so hard. I don’t see Obama saying it.
    &&&&

    My take: Hillary is saying she is going to fight for the nomination, but she’s putting on boxing gloves, not brass-knuckles. Essentially, “I’m going to work for every vote, and then work for every super delegate, and work within the confines of the party’s rules, and I will accept the outcome if the opposition wins fair and square”.

    Obama’s attitude is to play it cool, that it’s already a done deal. But me thinks they’re a bit worried, on many fronts:

    1. they fucking know that about half of Hillary’s supporters won’t back him. It’s not just a tantrum-y phase we’re going through “because our candidate will lose” (she won’t “lose”, we’re fighting to have the nomination stolen). The vast chasm between Them and Us is not going to heal over just because the DNC on 5/31 said “Party Unity: Mission Accomplished”. Too much bad blood, over *how* Obama is ahead on delegates (unfair caucuses, fighting revotes in FL/MI, etc.) and SDs (we suspect these weenies are getting donations from the vast pile-o-dough from Obama’s fundraising machine).

    If only 10% of HRC supporters defect, the GE is unwinnable for Obama & Cabal. 20% or more, it’s a friggin’ landslide. “Ah, the sweet stench of defeat”.

    2. His negatives are up, and we’ve got more skeletons falling out of the Really Big Walk-in Closet. And the famed Republican slime-machine hasn’t even started warming up yet.

    3. He’s going to lose the popular vote. It has happened that in the GE, the popular vote winner has lost the electoral college, but rarely.

    Would this be a first, where the nominee of a major party doesn’t win the popular vote??? Or maybe the last time it happened, it was before the game of Baseball was invented?

  422. 3. He’s going to lose the popular vote. It has happened that in the GE, the popular vote winner has lost the electoral college, but rarely.

    Would this be a first, where the nominee of a major party doesn’t win the popular vote??? Or maybe the last time it happened, it was before the game of Baseball was invented?
    &&&&

    To clarify, he’s going to lose the popular vote within the party primaries, I wasn’t talking about the GE. That he’d win on delegates and lose the popular vote to Hillary.

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