A New Birth Of Freedom

The Democratic Party is in the first stages of a Civil War.

It is a war that must be fought.

The Democratic Chairman, Howard Dean, is a tragically blind figure whose legacy will not be the “50 state strategy” he promised to implement. Instead Howard Dean will be remembered as the chairman of the 48 (47? 46?) state strategy.

The Howard Dean folly of the 48 state strategy is compounded by a twisted definition of “unity” propounded by Democratic? establishment figures who have sought for months to shut down the primary elections. This past April:

An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

“We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”

It might be news to Chairman Dean, but we know who our nominee is — Hillary Clinton.

It apparently is also news to Chairman Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi but now is not the time for healing – now is the time for fighting. And we will fight. We are joined by millions of women, latinos, white working class, and rural voters, and a small but tough, smart, and tenaciously loyal under withering attacks, group of African-Americans.

“Healing” will not take place by the audacity of hope and band-aids. The “unity” Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi want is the “shut-up” kind. We are not shutting up.

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E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post has been writing obtuse columns about Hillary and the presidential nomination race. In one particularly silly piece Dionne premised that Hillary will have to abandon efforts to block Obama’s nomination. She can keep fighting, or she can become a powerful figure in the Democratic Party. She cannot do both. Dionne forgets the Ted Kennedy example. Kennedy fought all the way to the convention in 1980 against a sitting Democratic president, lost, and returned to the Senate more powerful than ever. Of course, Kennedy was a man.

Today, Dionne writes another silly article. Dionne starts off on the right foot. The premise is that women are angry about how Hillary Clinton has been treated during this campaign. However, Dionne spends the entire article only talking to “leading female politicians”. Dionne’s narrative seeks to diminish Hillary as a “politician” and limit the anger to other “female politicians”. News flash for Dionne: women, women from all strata are angry.

How much anger is there among women about how Hillary Clinton has been treated during this campaign? Some of the nation’s leading female politicians will tell you: quite a lot.

From the beginning, she’s been treated very badly,” says Therese Murray, president of the Massachusetts Senate. “No woman would have run with Obama’s résumé. She wouldn’t have been considered.” But Clinton has been “demonized by the press and the talking heads. How do you get away with that?”

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) says she is regularly approached “by women of all races, of all ages, of all faiths. They stop me, grab my hand and say, ‘Look what they’ve done to her, we were so close.’ They wanted this for their daughters and granddaughters. . . . It’s so heartbreaking.”

For Rep. Darlene Hooley (D-Ore.), the evidence that “sexism reigns supreme” lay in the wide availability of offensive anti-Hillary paraphernalia in stores and on the Internet. For Barbara Johnson, president of the Minneapolis City Council, Clinton may have been the victim of “ageism” as much as sexism. The message, she said, was: “Your time is past, it’s time for somebody new to take your place.”

Many women, said Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.), “knew we had made many strides. They asked, ‘Aren’t we past this? What’s going on?’ They’re not happy with what they see as sexism, permitted by the media and in some cases encouraged by the media.”

The silliest part of Dionne’s article is in painting Obama as an innocent in the sexist campaign:

If there is good news for Barack Obama in any of this, it is that the rage felt by Clinton’s female supporters is directed in large part toward the media. “The anger is aimed much more at you all,” said Lt. Gov. Elizabeth Roberts of Rhode Island. Added Murray: “Obama wouldn’t have gotten to where he got today if it weren’t for the bias of the male media — no offense.”

It’s true that campaigns and political movements use anger as a bargaining chip. The message is: Appease us or we will cause trouble. The Clinton campaign is hoping that such rage will strengthen its hand in the battle to seat pro-Clinton Michigan and Florida delegations at the party’s national convention, even though those states held early primaries in violation of party rules.

But the conversations I had this week with prominent female politicians from around the country who support Clinton suggest that the fury and disappointment is more than short-term maneuvering. In many cases, it is rooted in the empathy of women who themselves broke gender barriers at various levels of politics.

Instead of “no offense” Murray should have said ‘offense intended E.J.’. Dionne does not examine himself nor his sexist Big Media buddies. Instead Dionne tries his best to paint the anger of women, or rather the “female politicians” he interviewed as whiny, “dream deferred” weepers. That’s not the case buddy.

A better job is done by David Paul Kuhn at Politico. Kuhn did not restrict his interviews to “female politicians”. Kuhn relied on empirical data instead of force feeding his opinions via selected quotes from “female politicians”.

Barack Obama’s favorability ratings among white women have declined significantly in recent months, particularly among Democrats and independents, presenting an immediate obstacle for the likely Democratic nominee as he moves to shore up his party’s base.

According to a new report by The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, half of white women now have a negative perception of Obama.

Forty-nine percent of white women view Obama unfavorably, while only 43 percent hold a favorable opinion. In February, 36 percent of these women viewed Obama unfavorably, while 56 percent had a positive perception of the likely Democratic nominee.

Over the same period, Democratic white women’s negative view of Obama increased from 21 percent to 35 percent, while their positive view decreased from 72 percent to 60 percent — roughly the same rate as white women overall.

Kuhn, utilizing empirical data, raises the question which Howard Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi do not want asked. Dean/Obama/Braille/Pelosi want the “healing” and “unity” narrative to be accepted as fact. The question remains: whether white women’s support for Clinton would translate into problems for Obama in the general election.

Pew also found that among self-described Clinton supporters, the negative shift against Obama is more severe among women than among men.

The Pew findings come as Obama’s campaign struggles to close up the primary race while also attempting to avoid the perception of pushing Hillary Rodham Clinton out, for fear of offending her most loyal supporters — the largest bloc of which are white women.

Still unknown is whether white women’s support for Clinton would translate into problems for Obama in the general election.

Kuhn aptly takes note that usually, after most primary fights, there is Party unity. But, Kuhn also notes that this time it is different – Hillary supporters are not going to fall into the “healing” or “unity” trap.

Intraparty divisions that arise during the primary season are typically mended over the course of the general election. Bill Clinton struggled with college-educated Democrats in the 1992 primary, as John F. Kerry did with young Democratic voters in the early stages of the 2004 race. Both candidates won back these blocs in the general election.

But the Democratic primary race of 2008 is without modern precedent, insofar as black support for Obama and white female support for Clinton are tied up in the symbolism of each candidate’s historic presidential bid.

“There is some sense of the visceral investment with Clinton,” said Celinda Lake, a Democratic strategist. Lake believes once the general election is under way, these same white women will gradually move away from McCain over issues, with the expectation that Clinton will campaign on Obama’s behalf if he is the nominee.

“In the long run, women will watch Hillary Clinton’s reaction, how she’s treated by Barack Obama,” Lake added.

This is not about injured feelings. This is not about whiny women. This is about a Big Media tool Chicago thug who has used sexism, race-baiting, and gay-bashing to trash Hillary and her supporters in order to implement a vision of the Democratic Party which we find repugnant.

It is about issues Hillary supporters care about. It is about trust in the experience and wisdom of Hillary Clinton and distrust and disbelief in the cult of Obama.

White women as a whole now prefer John McCain over Obama, by 49 percent to 41 percent. Last month, Obama was ahead of McCain among white women, 49 percent to 46 percent. The head-to-head matchup between McCain and Obama has not significantly shifted among white men.

“There is no question that white women were — especially older women, not young women — Hillary’s Clinton’s base in the primary, and there is going to be some repair work that has to be done,” Democratic analyst Anna Greenberg said. “There is no reason to believe that these Democratic white women are not pursuable.

“The priority is going to be to bring back these voters,” Greenberg added.

Kellyanne Conway, a Republican pollster who has worked with Lake on surveys of women, said that “the steady shift of white women away from Barack Obama” could prove “enduring heading into November.”

“These women have two issues at the top of their agenda that require experience and reasonableness—war and economy,” Conway said. “For many of these women, when they hear Barack Obama talk about change they hear revolution, not incrementalism.

Obama is not only unqualified to be president, Obama is also unelectable. Obama cannot win sufficient women, latinos nor white working class and rural voters to come close to winning.

Democrats have come closest to capturing the White House by winning minorities by large margins and nearly splitting white women, as they did in 2000. Republicans have generally relied on their dominance with white men to put them in the White House, while winning at least half the vote among white women.

Obama, and the new monstrous Democratic? Party (weathy white educated eggheads, students and African-Americans; no to latinos, white working class, women) he wants to inflict on us, is unelectable.

Obama, his allies, and his ugly vision for the Democratic Party must be fought and defeated – only then will there be an opportunity for “healing” – however long it takes – however many election cycles are required.

Women will lead the way to a return to the Party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Women will give birth to the new Democratic Party.

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286 thoughts on “A New Birth Of Freedom

  1. Good Morning Admin…I could not agree with you more and we are on the same wavel

    Hello EJ,

    …seems like journalists and reporters are all starting to write about this topic…interesting how you, Tapper, Cilizza, etc are all commenting on the ‘impression’ of how badly Hillary has been treated…I find it odd how there still seems to be a hint of condescension in the articles…as if, this is what Hillary and her supporters are imagining…or this is what Hillary wants the DNC to believe…

    I think the female politicians that you spoke with gave you a clue to the tip of the iceberg that is surfacing out there in the real world of people and voters…you know, like the 17 million that actually voted for Hillary…

    …the one miscue I believe in your article is the media is still trying to shift the responsibility from Obama…I hear this constantly…Hillary does something and we hear about it nonstop for four days and cable tv assembles panels to discuss what she did and how horrible she is…Barak Obama does something or another pastor disaster issue arises and cable tv shrugs and literally says ‘does it really even matter?’

    …well guess what, yes it really matters…and the flee of women from Obama is because of Obama…the media hasn’t helped but give women enough credit to understand why they oppose someone…we see through this facade that has been created…

    Obama has set a tone in his camp from the start that exploited the Hillary and Bill hate…he allowed the race baiting to begin when Hillary won NH and Eugene Robinson and Chris Matthews, instead of making a big deal out of the first woman to have won a major primary….no, instead they introduced that night, ‘The Bradley Effect’ and then Dennis Kucinich and the Obama camp called for a recount in NH…from that point on Hillary was a racist, she would ‘periodically’ get emotional according to Obama, and of course you know the rest…a bitch, a f’ing whore, pimped her daughter, on and on…

    Obama encouraged all of this, mocking her as Annie Oakley…brushing her off his shoulder…always referring to her as ‘she’ with no deference or respect…all you have to do is read any of the comments from his supporters…they are filled with anger, sexism and hate…and a lot of the hate is directed at Hillary…so much for unity, hope and civility…a real leader would have spoken up long ago and nipped that it the bud…but Obama fanned the flames…he even exploited RFK’s memory in an attempt to finish off Hillary while pushing the story with the media…

    …and that is the real untold story…how the Obama camp has marketed this camp of hope, change, unity when in fact it is filled with anger, rage, hate, revenge…just listen to the latest from his church of 20 years…

    …so women know why they feel the way they do and they understand who inspired those perceptions…and give women credit…we are not going to be charmed, or threatened by Roe vs Wade, to support a candidate that we do not believe in…the big misconception the media has been pushing is that voters were voting against Obama but the truth the media cannot stand to accept is that those voters were (and still are). voting FOR HILLARY…we like her, we admire and respect her contrary to being told over and over that she has high negatives, is polarizing and that no one likes her…her supporters do…

    …I think many of those voters will become independents, stay home and some will become McCain Democrats…there is a very real disappointment and frustration for the direction the DNC is taking this so-called new Democratic Party…

  2. I saw the sexism from the beginning. There are too many sexual adjatives that we have tolerated for too long, as we think it is sexy. I see too many of the young femal stars being sold for this, and then retired early, because they get old. The male stars are more sold for their talent.

    Women need to start standing up for themselves as people, and not as objects. Hillary has born the brunt of this, and in my estimations, although it has been the hardest for her, all of us who have lived throught this, baby boomers and before, have felt the pain.

    We are standing up. We welcome all women to stand up and say, enough. We have the highest number of registered voters, and we hold the money, we will be respected.

    Clean up your mouths and the way you present women.

  3. If this story is true the DNC could kiss my ass along with millions of others goodbye:

    Washington: Looking at the most recent Rasmussen daily polls, I see that Hillary manages a tie today against McCain, but Barack is down by five points to McCain. What piqued my interest was that while Hillary had a “highly unfavorable” rating of 32 percent (i.e., as I see it, people who never will vote for her) Barack was at 35 percent. On Jan. 30, as we entered primary season’s main show, Barack’s “highly unfavorables” were 20 percent and Clinton’s were 35 percent. Is this something superdelegates may be watching?

    Paul Kane: I’ve spent the past several months talking to as many super-delegates as any reporter in America, I’d guess, since I cover on a day-to-day basis about 280 of them here on Capitol Hill.

    I hate saying this, because all the Clinton people are going to flip out and say, You’re biased, you’re biased, you’re biased. So go ahead and flip out if you want, but the simple basic truth is that the super-delegates stopped paying attention to the Clinton-Obama race about a couple days after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries.

    talkleft.com/story/2008/5/30/0519/28498

  4. Excellent post, ADMIN.

    HRC HAS to go to the convention. She can’t abandon the 17 million plus Americans who voted for her. She has to continue the battle to the end. The thought of a Waffles Affirmative Action Presidency is too terrifying to contemplate and I think she knows this.

  5. Well done, ADMIN!

    Count me in as another citizen who will have no part of a Democratic Party that disenfranchises voters, bullies lower-level politicians into submission, fixes the game in favor of an unqualified, divisive candidate, and stands by and does nothing while the aforementioned divisive candidate’s spiritual advisors spew hateful rhetoric.

    And yes, Basil9, Hillary HAS to go to the convention. If she doesn’t, then the bullies, the extremists, the incompetents, and the wimps who support them will be one step closer to the presidency. Not that they’ll win it, but it scares me to think that those people could even come that close.

  6. Admin — thanks and bravo! I’d like to see “new Birth of Freedom” posted everywhere all over the country! I do copy and print your good ones to give to friends who aren’t into the web or don’t have time to wade though all the stuff we look for and they are very appreciative! Thank you for His44!

  7. Admin, as always your articles and comments target the feelings and convictions of us, the true Democratic believers! Thank you for all you do. Hillary WILL GO all the way to the convention! I guess what really bothers me most is that I have this awful sinking “I failed my daughter” feeling. Now, don’t get me wrong my daughter is of an age and has been successful, but she does not have an inkling as to whereforth she and women cometh. I regret mightily that I taught her she could be anything she could be, and she has done well. But her political head BELIEVED the media hype about Hillary, she only started thinking when my sister-in-law told her that Hillary and Bill attend their church in Little Rock.She further said, that Hillary is not AT ALL a cold and calculating bitch; that Hillary is warm. She further stated that Hillary had a very good sense of humor.
    I will work hard between now and convention to get Hillary elected, but now there is a higher mission after the nominee decision, and that is to ask other women to help with making a website for women, by women to educate and inform women [America’s daughters] of all the struggles that came before them; and to disseminate information pertinent to women’s progress from now forward. I ask that if you are interested in helping to email me at floridademandsrepresentaion@gmail.com
    See you at the convention!!!!

  8. The disgusting story of Obama and his crazy men of the cloth is no doubt one of the worst in our election system history.In every human regardless of race or color there is a well of good and evil that exists and we humans must control what we release each and every day of our lives.We tap into this well and release the milk of human kindness as we go through life and suppress the sour milk of hate,raceism,sexism and violence in order to enjoy the fruits of peace,tolerance and understanding the needs of all humans. This shocking entrance of Barack Hussein Obama into our political arena and the hatred he brings to our country,must be stopped now.He presents the dark and evil side of a man with an overwhelming and dangerous lust for power.Wake up America.We are about to lose our freedom of speech,worship,voting privilege and our respect in this world that had envied and respected us since established this nation just a few hundred years ago.Obama and his supporters would have us revert to just another third world country with a Black system of government based on payback,reparations and violence.

    On MSNBC Joe this morning,Barnacle mentioed the fact that this crazy fr.Pfleger has two adopted children living with him and Mike found that shocking.All of this minstrel show in the video of rev Pfleger with the cheering,dancing,screeming,laughing of the cult members is a disgrace to the human race.Just remember that OBAMA,MO and Axlerod started all of this in hopes of gaining control of our political freedoms.

    In reality,Obama’s well of the milk of human kindness is dry.An old Army guys reflection of this is “His well is as dry as a popcorn fart on a windblown desert”.I have no apology for this phrase because I am 90 and mad as hell at what the MSM has done to Hillary and all of us who recognize aa conspiracy when we smell and see one.

    By ABM90 Hang in there Hillary !!!!!!

  9. NMFan wrote: I see too many of the young femal stars being sold for this, and then retired early, because they get old. The male stars are more sold for their talent.

    This is absolutely true. The thing is that this kind of sexism is blatant and obvious. It is supported and even reported on. It’s just one example, but the most striking to me came about 15 years or so ago with the treatment of women on the Professional Beach Volleyball circuit. These brilliant and wonderful athletes were forced, literally and contractually, to wear bikini’s during play as a method to promote the sport. Their male counterparts were not forced to wear anything nearly so revealing, despite the fact that wearing tasteful but formfitting shorts on their chisled male forms might have done wonders for increasing viewership among females, an audience that would be most likely to embrace a non-contact sport. What was striking to me was not that it was done, but that the Federation was so open to discussing and defending their blatant sexism in the press.

  10. Great news:

    South Dakota Argus leader endorses Hillary:

    Editorial: Clinton is top candidate for Dems

    argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080530/VOICES01/805300306/-1/voices01

  11. Healing the wounds of Democrats’ sexism

    The Boston Globe
    By Geraldine A. Ferraro
    May 30, 2008

    LAST YEAR at the beginning of the presidential primary season, Democrats were giddy with excitement. Not only did we have an embarrassment of riches in our candidates but we had two historic candidacies to enjoy. Once and for all our country would show that racism and sexism were not part of our 21st-century DNA.
    more stories like this

    Here we are at the end of the primary season, and the effects of racism and sexism on the campaign have resulted in a split within the Democratic Party that will not be easy to heal before election day. Perhaps it’s because neither the Barack Obama campaign nor the media seem to understand what is at the heart of the anger on the part of women who feel that Hillary Clinton was treated unfairly because she is a woman or what is fueling the concern of Reagan Democrats for whom sexism isn’t an issue, but reverse racism is.

    The reaction to the questions being raised has been not to listen to the message and try to find out how to deal with the problem, but rather to denigrate the messenger. Sore loser, petty, silly, vengeful are words that have dominated the headlines. But scolding and name calling don’t resolve disputes. The truth is that tens of thousands of women have watched how Clinton has been treated and are not happy. We feel that if society can allow sexism to impact a woman’s candidacy to deny her the presidency, it sends a direct signal that sexism is OK in all of society.

    In response, a group of women – from corporate executives to academics to members of the media – have requested that the Shorenstein Center at Harvard University and others conduct a study, which we will pay for if necessary, to determine three things.

    First, whether either the Clinton or Obama campaign engaged in sexism and racism; second, whether the media treated Clinton fairly or unfairly; and third whether certain members of the media crossed an ethical line when they changed the definition of journalist from reporter and commentator to strategist and promoter of a candidate. And if they did to suggest ethical guidelines which the industry might adopt.

    That sexism impacted Clinton’s campaign, I have no doubt. Did she lose a close election because of sexism? I don’t know. But I do know that it will never happen again as long as women are willing to stand up and make sure that it is just a one-time bad experience.

    As for Reagan Democrats, how Clinton was treated is not their issue. They are more concerned with how they have been treated. Since March, when I was accused of being racist for a statement I made about the influence of blacks on Obama’s historic campaign, people have been stopping me to express a common sentiment: If you’re white you can’t open your mouth without being accused of being racist. They see Obama’s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening. They’re not upset with Obama because he’s black; they’re upset because they don’t expect to be treated fairly because they’re white. It’s not racism that is driving them, it’s racial resentment. And that is enforced because they don’t believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory “Our Time Has Come” they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.

    Whom he chooses for his vice president makes no difference to them. That he is pro-choice means little. Learning more about his bio doesn’t do it. They don’t identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate. His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with. They may lack a formal higher education, but they’re not stupid. What they’re waiting for is assurance that an Obama administration won’t leave them behind.

    Hope, change, and inspiration don’t do it. A speech on racism might persuade editorial boards, but to these voters it’s “just words.” Obama has less than six months to make the case.

    Geraldine A. Ferraro, a former vice presidential candidate, resigned from Clinton’s Finance Committee in March.

  12. mj, it sure looks like she did concede it! Maybe she didn’t realized how that last sentence came out!

  13. I don’t think she is conceding to obama at all……… i think she is speaking to the supers and opening some eyeballs
    about how GREAT his problems are and how LITTLE time he would have to over come them…..

    basically saying…………..AIN’t GONNA HAPPEN!

  14. Always eager to hear from G. Ferraro, but she said 2 things that bother me.
    One, “Did she lose a close election because of sexism?”
    … Is it lost?
    Is she saying it’s all over?
    And two, “The truth is that tens of thousands of women have watched how Clinton has been treated and are not happy.”
    … Not happy?! Not Happy?! They are FURIOUS! And not likely to get over it for years! They are going to war against sexism, racism, Obama and his diseased view of America, and the corruption of the DNC. It’s going to be a long long war, long past this election

  15. Great news on the South Dakota newspaper endorsement.

    I sent copies of the first posting on this thead by S to a number of senators, one of whom is in pelosi group. Backlash coming for Barack.

    Obama has slipped a mickey finn to the primary voters, and they are beginning to wake up. Hillary must not concede. And Ferraro should get on message that this aint over.

  16. It’s hard to understand this DNC crap. Are they in self-destruct? They surely realize Obummer can’t win in November. Do they really want someone like him in the White House? – with all his anti-American connections, his lack of ability, lack of experience, his dishonesty, his vulgarity, his pretensions? I’m so sick of politicians behaving like gangsters and ego-maniacs – don’t good people go into politics? I cling to my faith in Hillary and Bill to save this country from its madness, but are we on the eve of doom for the Democratic Party? – for our country? And we thought there couldn’t be anybody worse than Bush/Cheney/Rove. Hell, they’re ALL B/C/R! … except the Clintons. Hillary is my last hope. My only hope.

    I met her a couple of times. Once I had a little talk with her, and I thought, “This woman reminds me of the brilliant, idealistic girls I used to know in college, who believed they could make the world a better place. But they long ago lost their lustrous faith in their ideals – petty battles beat them down. Now, here is this woman who has walked through some of the worst muck of Washington, and she still shines. She still cares. She’s still untainted. It was at a fundraiser for her senate campaign, but I didn’t believe she meant to stop at the senate. I said to her, “I think I know where you want to go, and I want to tell you that I wish you well with all my heart, but you know they’re never going to stop making hell for you, so I pray you have the strength to keep on going all the way.” She broke out a great smile, squeezed my hand hard, looked me in the eye, touching my soul with her fierce courage, and said, “I HAVE!”

    So you know what I think? I think that even if this great country were to fall into the slimiest corruption, it has produced some great people, and we’re very lucky to be living in the time of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  17. It took the MSM a year to find Alice Palmer? They just found Father Pfleger? Well, the only good thing about their dereliction is that now the air waves are filled with appalling videos. In fact, the definition of ‘godawful’ is the Pfleger rant.

    As a lifelong recipient of Catholic misogyny, I am wondering if the church will reprimand Pfleger. I only listen to 2 minutes a day — max — to the cable channels and don’t know what the networks are saying but I did learn that Mayor Daley’s spokesman has been Axelrod and Obama’s guy is Axelrod and the tie is being made and Obama is now the Chicago machine’s man. Not a savory ‘change’ for the Dems.

  18. We watch her out there on a platform reaching out with to us with reassurances that she understands us and with brilliant solutions to our problems, we watch her sit at a table with skeptical antagonists whom she respectfully spoonfeeds her honest answers to their questions and accusations – she is so clearly way ahead of us all. Every really outstanding talent works harder than anybody to be good at what they do and has to face cruel jealousies and resentments from the lesser talents, lazier workers. Hey, by their jealousy and their hatred, ye shall know them! Think how Lincoln was hated. Think how FDR was hated. Think how Eleanor was hated. Think how her detractors are really showing us their smallness and the greatness of our Hillary.

  19. As a life long Democrat, it is difficult to consider not voting or voting for McCain. Every time I think maybe I should take a deep breath and vote for Obama if he is the nominee, I remember him dissing Hillary by saying she was likeable enough – as if he had the right to even voice his opinion about that. Then I think of him giving her the finger – passively aggressively of course because he doesn’t have the guts to do so overtly. Then I remember him flicking her from her shoulder as if he is dirt. No, there is nothing he can do now to heal anything. His actions have spoken and anything now would just be lies to get elected. For me there is a bigger principle than being held hostage by Roe v Wade and Obama will not get my vote now or ever.

  20. For those who missed the O’Reilly MSNBC- CNN smackdown last night, here it is.

    ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/oreilly-rants-for-hillary-video/

  21. Notice how the MSM is now taking on the “who me” attitude when the issue of sexism and pro-Obama bias has clearly been established. I watched that prick Chris Mathews act like he is an innocent choir boy when he was the first one who started that Bradley crap after NH. Also notice how “nice” botox face Pelosi is now towards Hillary as she senses her “man” is going to win. Pelosi is the greatest disappointment along with Reis. They have squandered the power given to them and back a guy with liittle experience because it serves their ulterior motives.

  22. For me, Pelosi was a disappointment long before this primary.

    When Bill Clinton was president, she was out there having a press conference trashing him every few days. When Bush came into office, I thought: Let’s see if she’s as tough on him. And surprise surprise, she turned into a pussycat, smiling away in photo ops with Bush.

    She is an embarrassment.

  23. It’s hard to understand this DNC crap. Are they in self-destruct? They surely realize Obummer can’t win in November. Do they really want someone like him in the White House?

    lil-o-grape, you hit on something that reminds me of the differences between Dems and Pugs. Dems think with their hearts; Pugs have no heart, so, what do they have left but the mind. Dems fall in love with their candidate, while Pugs choose candidate they know can win.

    It reminds me Matthew Dowd, a long-time Dem strategist who defected in 2000 and worked to elect Bush. In 2005/6, he became disillusioned and left the WH and penned a book. People close to him said he fell in love (not romantically) with the candidate and his talk about reforming D.C. and bringing ethics back. Bush the President was nothing like the candidate. Things he talked about and promised never came to fruition. Dowd is like a classic Obama supporter.

  24. Paddy4hill, and all. Per our discussion last night my email to key pundits:

    I Spoke to you in Seattle, gave you a copy of my book and bought a copy of yours. Last week I sent you copies of my emails to Michael Goodwin protesting his efforts to destroy Hillary Clinton and promote Obama. I branded him a typhoid mary of the fatal disease that infects contemporary journalism.

    But the concern is broader than just Michael. What mainstream media is promoting today is the BIG LIE, and even though their objectives are different their methodoloy is all too reminiscent of Josef Goebbels. As a result, the American people are denied the information they need to make intelligent choices at the ballot box on matters that affect their future. Or in the jargon de jour they are being “bamboozled”.

    The BIG LIE that Big Media is promoting in this election can be summarized as follows: i) Obama is a new kind of politician, ii) he will unite the country, iii) this race is over because he he is within 43 votes of the required threshhold. This lie is repeated without challenge by the pundits of our day. Seig heil!

    First, it is patently absurd to suggest that Obama is a new kind of politician–unless you are also prepared to argue that the Daley machine is a new kind of politics. His 17 year connection with reszko dispels any notion that he is the product of immaculate conception. And, if you want to know who he really is just look at who his friends are. . . . . . .

    Second, it is equally absurd to suggest that he will unite the country. The truth is he has already began to divide it along the fault lines of race and gender, and it will only get worse. He has played the race card consistently during the course of this campaign. (See Race Man, by Professor Wilentz). By the same token he has played the gender card and women are deserting him in droves. (See the thouthful response to yesterdays article by WashPo’s E.J. Dion). And listen to the racist and sexist rants of his spiritual advisors Wright and now Pheglar. The disease is spreading and menastizing.

    Third, you know a Faustian pact has been stuck between the Obama campaign and big media when they repeatedly assert that he is on the verge of having the delegates he need to be the nominee. Here is the rebuttal to one of the mindless journalist hyenas who repeated that falsehood. Towit:

    Statement: Hillary Clinton is under increasing pressure to drop out of a Democratic nomination race that she has practically no chance of winning so Barack Obama can start the general-election campaign.

    Rebuttal: Ms. Laksmanan, do you understand the rules for determining the Democratic nominee? At the completion of the primaries, neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination and will require the votes of superdelegates at the August convention to finalize the process. Until that time, there will be no official nominee. Furthermore, the cases of Florida and Michigan remain unresolved, further bringing into dispute how close either candidate it to reaching the “magic number” of delegates. When you say Clinton has “practically no chance of winning” you are buying into and supporting propaganda fueled by the Obama campaign and which ethical journalists should challenge. Do you wish to be regarded as an ethical journalist?

    You are one of the few pundits who is on the side of the American People. You have the courage to speak out on the issues that matter. We are witnessing a concerted attempt to hijack an election not in some third world country but right here in the United States, and someone needs to speak out before it is too late. If there is a God in heaven then some of these insights may show up in your commentary. In that case I too will believe in immaculate conception, as it relates to the truth and the right of the American People to know it.

    Best regards.

  25. Exactly, FilbertSF. Republicans, as much as I can’t stand their policies, to their credit, are more rational than Dems are when picking their starting quarterback. They look at which candidate can win the game. That’s the only real criteria they have. Instead of looking at athleticism (i.e., raw political skill and public appeal), Dems can be too inward looking, and oftentimes look at irrelevant criteria (Obama gives such good speeches! etc.)

    Admin, this post is great and it’s a tonic to read it. You’ve NAILED the point that by continuing in this race, Hillary STRENGTHENS her campaign, her own reputation, and improves in the eyes of voters. This is what Americans WANT her to do. Look at every poll! She’s beating McCain, where Obama isn’t!

  26. jbstonesfan, as an aside, Reid’s son, Rory, is a big Hillary supporter. It was with his help that Hill won NV. I saw and met him in NV at the victory speech party. If you know who Newsweek Richard Wolffe is, Rory looks a bit like him: talk and thin, with salt-n-pepper color hair.

    I don’t think Reid supports BO. He’s just been ineffectual in this Primary is all.

  27. From the Washington Post, on the latest Trinity Church fiasco:

    ——–
    Obama’s Latest Pastor Disaster

    By the time you finish watching this YouTube video (which had about 95,000 showings as of this morning) it will be well on its way to reaching: 1) its one billionth viewing, and, 2) its one millionth close reading by Clinton and McCain staffers.

    The action took place last Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yes. That Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago! This time, however, the valedictory is made not by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, but by a white Chicago Catholic priest by the name of Rev. Michael Pfleger.

    During his sermon, Father Pfleger mocked Hillary Clinton’s tears before the New Hampshire primary. He opines that she cried because she felt “entitled” because she is white “and there’s a black man stealing my show.” Father Pfleger apologized late Thursday for the remarks, saying his sermon was “inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message.”

    But by delivering his remarks, Father Pfleger seems to have officially submitted his entry to the What Else Can We At Trinity Do to Further Assure that the United States Does Not Have Its First African-American President Any Time Soon? video competition. And this application has “Finalist” marked all over it.

    It achieves this status because Father Pfleger has more than a passing acquaintance with the person who stands on the verge of winning the Democratic Party’s nomination.

    His precise relation to Senator Obama is presently being pieced together and rehearsed in articles across the internet (such as this one, and this one). As of now, it seems fair to say that Pfleger (who has suddenly disappeared from the candidate’s website) and Obama have known and liked one another for a long time. The former appears to have financially contributed to previous campaigns and to have worked for the present one prior to the Iowa Caucus.

    According to widely circulated reports (although I have not been able to track down the original source in the few hours since this story broke) Obama once referred to Pfleger as a “spiritual adviser” in a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times article.

    It’s going to be a long weekend for the Obama people.

  28. Thanks…didn’t know that. Wolfe was on Olberman a lot when I use to watch that show….hard to believe I thought he was a fair journalist.

  29. On a figure skating forum – MK discussion forum, one Hillary supporter explains why it’s not a bad thing to back McCain if Hillary does not win the nominee as a liberal democrat. I find the argument on Roe v, Wade concern from a feminists’ point of view is quite intriguing…

    Here’s some highlight…

    McCain and Clinton have a lot in common in that they are both fighters who persevere and do not relent in face of hardships and adversities. McCain shown that during Vietnam and Clinton shown that in this election and many many other times. These two leaders have grits and some of us really admire that. They are both hated by the more extreme fractions of their parties and yet they keep coming back. Their parties have turned their backs on them at one point or another and yet they hold their heads high with pride. Some of us believe that all these good qualities in a POTUS.

    As for the Supreme Court, well, many things. One is a lot of women are insulted that the Dem leaders think they can use that to beat us into order. Secondly, the older millions of older women who support Clinton are pass child bearing age, or are at a point of their lives where economics are not an issue for raising a child. The younger women who keep thinking that feminism is something shameful and think it’s so cool to support Obama, well then they can deal with the consequences on their own. If Roe v, Wade is overturned, who knows? Maybe The One can walk on water and save them.

  30. filbertsf Says:

    May 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    jbstonesfan, as an aside, Reid’s son, Rory, is a big Hillary supporter. It was with his help that Hill won NV. I saw and met him in NV at the victory speech party. If you know who Newsweek Richard Wolffe is, Rory looks a bit like him: talk and thin, with salt-n-pepper color hair.

    I don’t think Reid supports BO. He’s just been ineffectual in this Primary is all.
    ——————————————————————-

    Filbertsf: I concur.

  31. ADMIN.

    good writing again, thank you…

    there are two groups i would like to bring your attention to,
    elephants -and- women…

    what do they have in common?

    THEY NEVER FORGET…

    ask any husband that ever cheated on his wife, ask any husband that forgot her anniversary, ask any best friend that flirted with her husband…

    these people are smoking crack !!!!!
    i tell you today, if hillary begged me to vote for obama, i would be unable to comply.
    obama and hillary should know, what he has done to hill, he has done to me, and he has done to women. ant to my fellow minorities, to the white people who have loved me unconditionally, and to the walking poor, and hard working hard fighting staple democrats.

    people need to listen up: women are hard working fighters, who fight like a lion when their backs are against the wall, and we protect our own, and we never forget…

  32. wbboei wrote:

    The BIG LIE that Big Media is promoting in this election can be summarized as follows: i) Obama is a new kind of politician, ii) he will unite the country, iii) this race is over because he he is within 43 votes of the required threshhold. This lie is repeated without challenge by the pundits of our day.
    ——–

    Amen, amen, amen. When has Obama ever united anyone, politically?! His track record in the IL state senate was meager at best, and is fraught with rampant absenteeism. Once he joined the US Senate, he took staunchly liberal positions and didn’t unite anyone. Now that he’s trying to capture the nomination, he’s torn the Democratic party asunder. Remind anyone of another politician who campaigned on a “uniter, not a divider” platform?

  33. Does anyone think that the Rev.’s last tirade was initiated by the campaign so that Obama could come out and make a full blown denouncement of Rev. If so how does the Father Flick work into this?
    I am beginning to wonder if all this spiritual advisors are on the down-low with Bambi and they are all pist at him. Rev. was bought off with 10 million and now can’t say anything, but Father hasn’t got his share of the hush money so I be thinking its time to pay off the Father!
    Seems like a circle of crap around the Bambi campaign, what do you all think?

    ole’grape, that was a inspiring story you wrote upthread about Hillary, I had her pegged like that even though I have only seen her from a distance. She really is above all this mess and has the ability to keep her eye on the prize! She is truly Presidential material, and it will be a great loss for this country if she is not given the chance and is cheated out of it!!

  34. skmf12, I believe Bambi is buying votes, and if he expects to unite the party, he’d better have alot of money! LOL!!! 🙂

  35. of course he’s buying votes…… remember the 75K size crowd? was it california??? I read he brought in a very expensive, really cool with the younger Generation band for a FREE concert to get all those kids there …….it was all hyperbol!

  36. Thank you for your inspirational post, Admin. It captures exactly how I feel – which is in harmony with the many eloquent and passionate posts from the Hillfriends on this board. Thank you, all!

  37. basil 9.

    i was just reading thru the the thread, and i came to the link for the
    bill oreilly melt down, watched it.

    BASIL I JUST BROKE OUT CRYING …
    how pathietic…
    i guess the idea that someone in that position, would be such a gentleman, and stick up for hillary, would be so fearless and tell the
    world the truth with such outrage, just broke me down…

    no matter what happens, i will always have a warm spot for
    bill orielly, he at least is a real man…

  38. Confloyd: no way bambi wanted this crap to come out now. NFW. He began this campaign with a blank canvass and many people made the mistake of projecting their own hopes and dreams for the future on empty board. But as more of the truth about him, his true beliefs and shady associations have been revealed the portait is changing and the real dorian gray is revealed.

    As for Hillary I have met her four time now and my initial impression has not changed a wit. I find her to be a warm and compassionate human being who is willing to fight hard for the things she believes in. You would like her alot. I have met or known alot of politicians at the federal level, and spent time with a number of them. She is head and shoulders above all of them. She is without question the greatest leader of our time. The looming question is whether the we want great leaders who can deliver results or bamboozlers who can deliver bread and circuses, and ultimately who will decide that question.

  39. skmf12, I think o’reilly really was surprised when he interviewed Hillary. I think he changed his mind about her then. Well, he at least did what no other newcaster would do and that tell the truth!! I will always appreciate that from him too!

    There is just something fishy about this little triangle of spiritual advisors! I can’t put my finger on it, but something ain’t right there!

  40. confloyd Says:
    May 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    “Does anyone think that the Rev.’s last tirade was initiated by the campaign so that Obama could come out and make a full blown denouncement of Rev. If so how does the Father Flick work into this?”
    *
    Confloyd: I do, although many people whose opinions I respect disagree. (“You couldn’t PLAN this stuff!” or, “never attribute to malice anything that can be easily explained by stupidity.”) As for Fr. Phleager, perhaps he’s staging a reason for BHO to finally resign his membership at Trinity. It may help with the gullible SD’s who seem to have no need for substance of deeds to back up “just words” from The One, but IMO, it won’t make a bit of difference to most Americans in the GE who know where BHO has been for 20 years.

    Me, I also think that BHO is deeply agnostic and Marxist. It’s the simplest explaination for rejecting his Muslim upbringing and seeking out from afar a church full of fairly famous Marxist black liberation “Christians.”

    And, I refuse to be blackmailed by social issues. I’ll simply vote economic issues, since I don’t subscribe to BO’s Marxist social justice agenda.

    “If you really care about issues, you’ll nominate the candidate who can win – Hillary Clinton.”

  41. confloyd wrote:

    Does anyone think that the Rev.’s last tirade was initiated by the campaign so that Obama could come out and make a full blown denouncement of Rev. If so how does the Father Flick work into this?
    I am beginning to wonder if all this spiritual advisors are on the down-low with Bambi and they are all pist at him. Rev. was bought off with 10 million and now can’t say anything, but Father hasn’t got his share of the hush money so I be thinking its time to pay off the Father!
    ———-

    Something is definitely fishy about all of this. If he supports Obama, Pfleger is the least politically savvy person on the planet (by all accounts, this isn’t true), or he has an axe to grind with Obama.

    Either way, it proves that Obama has terrible personal judgment. Remember, Obama embraced the Trinity church when he first became a Christian. Out of all the churches that he could have joined, he chose THAT church. He chose to name the “Audacity of Hope” after THAT church’s teachings. Obama CHOSE Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright to be his own spiritual advisors. And Obama STILL chooses to be a member of the church that spews hate and divisiveness. At least Oprah Winfrey had the presence of mind to quit the church, and it’s shocking that Obama won’t, too. Actions speak louder than words. Obama gives lots of flowery speeches about being disappointed in the church’s message, but he won’t take any real action.

    This all guarantees that IF Obama is somehow the nominee, we as a party will go back to losing BIG among church-going voters. Bush KILLED the Dems in that demographic in 2000 and especially in 2004. Bill Clinton won in ’92 and ’96 because he effectively neutralized the Republicans’ traditional advantage when it comes to religious voters, by reaching out to that voting bloc.

  42. hey all – I’m a TM poster and long-time admirer of Admin here. In these turbulent times, leaders rise, and Admin’s words and insights will be thought of for new movements, new organizations, a new Democratic party one hopes.

    This might’ve already been posted, but in case not, here are some snippets and Arlen Specter’s number:
    Main: 202-224-4254
    PLEASE PLEASE CALL

    townhall.com/Columnists/PeterJWirs/2008/05/28/specter_demands_sanity_check_on_obamas_hypocrisy

    Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter, the Democrat’s contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act “very promptly.”

    Specter emphasized while Republicans are striking bold initiatives such as GOP onDemand™ to promote full voter inclusiveness, the Democrats’ direction in the opposite direction is more than paradoxical, it is “hypocrisy.” “They are preaching one thing and practicing another” angrily complained the former prosecutor, who long fought the legendary Philadelphia Democratic machine’s ghost voting and other voter frauds.

    While observing there is “great frustration and anger” among his Senate colleagues, Specter’s own disbelief over Obama’s disingenuous media manipulations was self-evident as we heard him literally swearing as he was hanging up the phone. I have observed Specter for 33 years. His strenuous objections are not political positioning for TV cameras, but are at heart of his — and any civic minded citizen’s — core beliefs of what is America. To anyone who has served his country, it is incongruous to even think such an alien idea.

    Specter reminds Obama that it is fully within the Congress’ prerogative to investigate the Democrats’ machinations; the presumption that political parties as private entities are immune from oversight or court intervention has long been judicially discredited. Specter also suggested that Florida’s Governor Charlie Crist or Attorney General Bill McCollum and Michigan’s Attorney General Michael Cox or Secretary of State Terri Land Lynn contemplate what would be required to be prepared on June 2 to go into Federal court paren patriae to see emergency injunctive relief under “Section 1983,” the legal parlance for the Civil Rights “Anti-Ku Klux Klan” Act of 1871, if the DNC May 31 hearings fail to adhere to the fundamental one-man, one-vote constitutional rule.

    And while the GOP concedes Florida’s early calendaring of the Presidential primary caused consternation, at least the “Republicans counted Florida, in stark contrast to the Democrats who didn’t count Florida,” according to RNC’s Alex Conant. Highly reliable sources inform me that Senator John McCain is absolute in insisting on fully seating both Florida and Michigan delegations without any penalties, and as one source put it “what the nominee wants, he likely gets.”

  43. What was the purpose of this last Sunday anyway, do they think its a done deal and they can say what they want on that pulpit?

    Have they been saying these kinds of things every Sunday? Maybe they thought it was a done deal because of the RFK remark? Don’t they realize white people are not going to vote for Obama because of the “whitey” thing that is being televised on a daily basis?

  44. trying again to post – I am a TM poster and long-time admirer of Admin here. Have you all seen this?

    townhall.com/Columnists/PeterJWirs/2008/05/28/specter_demands_sanity_check_on_obamas_hypocrisy

    Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter, the Democrat’s contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act “very promptly.”

    Specter emphasized while Republicans are striking bold initiatives such as GOP onDemand™ to promote full voter inclusiveness, the Democrats’ direction in the opposite direction is more than paradoxical, it is “hypocrisy.” “They are preaching one thing and practicing another” angrily complained the former prosecutor, who long fought the legendary Philadelphia Democratic machine’s ghost voting and other voter frauds.

    While observing there is “great frustration and anger” among his Senate colleagues, Specter’s own disbelief over Obama’s disingenuous media manipulations was self-evident as we heard him literally swearing as he was hanging up the phone. I have observed Specter for 33 years. His strenuous objections are not political positioning for TV cameras, but are at heart of his — and any civic minded citizen’s — core beliefs of what is America. To anyone who has served his country, it is incongruous to even think such an alien idea.

    Specter reminds Obama that it is fully within the Congress’ prerogative to investigate the Democrats’ machinations; the presumption that political parties as private entities are immune from oversight or court intervention has long been judicially discredited. Specter also suggested that Florida’s Governor Charlie Crist or Attorney General Bill McCollum and Michigan’s Attorney General Michael Cox or Secretary of State Terri Land Lynn contemplate what would be required to be prepared on June 2 to go into Federal court paren patriae to see emergency injunctive relief under “Section 1983,” the legal parlance for the Civil Rights “Anti-Ku Klux Klan” Act of 1871, if the DNC May 31 hearings fail to adhere to the fundamental one-man, one-vote constitutional rule.

    And while the GOP concedes Florida’s early calendaring of the Presidential primary caused consternation, at least the “Republicans counted Florida, in stark contrast to the Democrats who didn’t count Florida,” according to RNC’s Alex Conant. Highly reliable sources inform me that Senator John McCain is absolute in insisting on fully seating both Florida and Michigan delegations without any penalties, and as one source put it “what the nominee wants, he likely gets.”

  45. Berkeley Vox, I thought about that yesterday, the dems finally decide to show our spiritual side and look what they came up with to run. Mr. Bajoke!!

    Hillary is so much more a Christian than any of the candidates, yet normal people can’t see it. I guess they have no idea what a real Christian looks and acts like. Poor DNC, they are really stupid!!

  46. floyd,

    yes i believe that they enjoyed and respected each other.
    it has always amazed me in life, that love and character, comes
    out of the most unexpected places.

    i never forget grace and courage in a person, i am theirs forever,
    i guess thats why i like hillary…

  47. It kind of makes you wonder why the trinity church is now trying to take Obama down. Now I really think that the Rev.’s remarks were his own and a way to punish Obama. It hasn’t achieve everything so they put the Father up there on the pulpit to finish the job!!

    OR

    This is a ploy by the campaign to get sympathy for Obama because the church he loved and trusted is now trying to bring him down!

    Which is it, it is driving me nutz, I want to know! LOL!!

  48. confloyd wrote:

    Have they been saying these kinds of things every Sunday? Maybe they thought it was a done deal because of the RFK remark? Don’t they realize white people are not going to vote for Obama because of the “whitey” thing that is being televised on a daily basis?
    ——————

    Obama would lose by huge margins to McCain among white voters. He’s already started losing to Hillary by massive margins since the Wright scandal broke. I think a big part of it is because Black Liberation Theology, which is what the Trinity church preaches, is inherently controversial and divisive. There are apparently loads more tapes, too.

  49. Hillary Clinton wasn’t number one in her class at Yale Law School for nothing 😉
    ——–

    May 30, 2008
    Categories: Hillary Clinton

    Utrecht’s letter

    The Clinton campaign releases a long, dense letter from campaign counsel Lyn Utrecht making the detailed case for Clinton’s key points: That the Rules & Bylaws Committee has the right to seat the full Florida and Michigan delegations, and that it should.

    For rules junkies only.

    By Ben Smith 01:17 PM

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM104_080530_dnc_rbc.html

  50. confloyd, my take on that: They believe that it is over and believe they are victorious. That is a gloating video.

  51. confloyd……there is no way in this world that anyone in obama camp would dream that planning something like this could help him

    I agree how ever that it does seem staged ……but how do you STAGE 8,ooo members reactions such as they were with all the
    cheering and the standing ovation!! no i think the church is pissed that they have gotten a bad rap with the press and obama didn’t stand with them.

    This only tells me the entire church is as Rev W and Pastor P believe what they preach…… and from that information…….a congregation of that magnatude doesn’t JUST start believing,thinking,accepting such things…. it is nurtured over long periods of time with constant rhetoric (brain washing)
    Obama’s sat in that church for 20 years……… think about that!!

  52. just as warehouse said on the last thread,
    i want to see hillary declare her self the winner of the popular vote!!!

  53. Women are beginning to speak out against Father Pfleger — from the Washington Post:

    —–

    Pfleger: Bully in the Pulpit

    I preached the first service at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last Sunday. Rev. Michael Pfleger preached later that day.

    I preached a sermon about how a sacred conversation on race has to have Christ at the center.

    Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

    We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call “A Sacred Conversation on Race” and I did not find Pfleger’s sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

    Instead, Pfleger’s sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

    This political campaign season often seems to me to be a kind of cultural theater, where we are seeing the end of one kind of politics, the politics of polarization (and even the religion of polarization) coming to an end and a new politics and religion of unity trying to break through. I have been reading Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America by Rick Perlstein, and this excellent book describes this historical trajectory we have experienced since 1972.

    The idea that you should inflame people’s hatred of one another as a way to mobilize voters has been dominant since 1972 and very powerful. But it has produced near paralysis in Washington and disastrous foreign policy. But hate dies hard and while people want to find unity, they can easily fall back into divisive rhetoric, especially when it is disguised as humor. This is bad at a dinner party; in the pulpit it is shameful and wrong.

    As a woman, I was offended by Pfleger’s mocking of Senator Clinton for showing emotion. Women in leadership get this double-whammy all the time; you have to be strong and not show emotion to be seen as a leader and when you don’t show emotion people say you are cold and unfeeling. I had hoped that stereotype of women had died in the 1970’s, but apparently not for Pfleger.

    It is clear that Pfleger belongs to the old politics and religion of division. This is not a matter of age, particularly, but of mindset. Apparently the way Pfleger understands race or gender is through conflict and opposition, not through unity, common ground and certainly not as “sacred”. Dr. Dwight Hopkins, a faculty member at the Divinity School of the University of Chicago and member of Trinity UCC offered a similar analysis of Pfleger’s sermon last Sunday. The Catholic priest’s charged remarks reflect an old-school approach. “One of the hallmarks of preaching is the speaker is expected to combine their interpretation of current events with the divinely inspired message from above,” he said.

    In the sermon I preached last Sunday, I used Paul’s teaching from 1 Corinthians 12 where Paul instructs the Corinthian church that they are one body in Christ and have to overcome their divisions to “put on the mind of Christ.”

    That is what the Bible teaches us about a sacred conversation on race, on gender, on any differences. When we are in Christ we have to love our differences and come together as one body. Father Pfleger’s sermon was pulpit bullying of the church and bullying of good people who are trying to run decent campaigns for President. It was anything but sacred and it was certainly not biblical.

    The good news is that the politics and religion of division is the past and with a lot of work, the politics and religion of unity and cooperation can be our future.

  54. BV, Someone on TM yesterday said the Sun-Times’ Lynn Sweet said Pfleger IS normally politically savvy, so it make one wonder.

  55. Yeah, I heard that too Paula. It’s pretty crazy, when you think about it: Obama can’t even unite his own church, much less the Democratic party, and now he’s talking about uniting the whole country? Flowery speeches, indeed!

  56. meiyingsu Says:

    May 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    Hillary should run as independent if Her name can still be put in the ballot.

    Wouldn’t that be great? I’m all for it. The DNC is pretty much dead to me at the moment. But I don’t think Indies have much success. Bernie something is the only Independent on Capitol Hill. They just don’t get the financial or institutional support. That’s why Ron Paul ran on the GOP ticket. Unless you’re Bloomberg, the well dries up quickly.

  57. about pfleger i have a different opinion.

    if watch carefully, you will not that his face has such
    self satifaction on it, he is aware of his acting skills, he is so
    ‘showboating’ for the audience…

    ‘everybody wants to be a star’, ‘everybody wants to have their-
    moment in the sun’.
    i think pfleger wants that adulation, controversy, publicity,
    speaking engagements, and maybe million dollar credit line, that
    rev wright bought for himself…

    greed, ambition, and a thirst for fame, i think turned baracks
    preacher friend, into a careless scene stealer…

  58. No those 8,000 members believe along with the Obama’s what is being preached there. Obama whole life is what is being preached at that church. There no way anyone would ever convince me that this man does not believe and help set up the beliefs that are being preached there.
    As I said last thread, God is in that church at least at the pulpit level, I wouldn’t want to say that about the parishioners,but you can’t preach hate and have God in your heart!

    Djia, I do think you are right that the church feels Obama has deserted them and they want retribution. I still wonder how that slain, unsolved murder of the choir director fits into all of this?

  59. The Republicans are jumping all over the latest Trinity church fiasco, from Politico. This scandal is so big that Hillary doesn’t even really need to do anything: Obama bought this on himself, by making Father Pfleger his spiritual advisor, and the Republicans will hammer him over it from now until November:

    ——–

    May 30, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    GOP priest attacks Obama in invocation

    Here’s the video of the invocation at the New York State Republican Party dinner last night, delivered to a crowd including Rudy Giuliani and Rep. Peter King, and where Dick Cheney later spoke.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHrW3mV90ho&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/GOP_priest_attacks_Obama_in_invocation.html

    In it, the priest, Monsignor Jim Lisante mockingly asks God to change Obama’s mind and volunteers to replace Rev. Jeremiah Wright as Obama’s pastor.

    “One more thing, Lord. Please tell Senator Obama that maybe change is a good thing and maybe he should think about changing his favorite preacher,” he said, to applause.

    “I know a lot more of us would be comfortable with his judgment skills if he hadn’t sat for 20 years through those words offered by his preacher of division, bigotry, and – honestly – half truths without a word of objection from Senator until the media brought it up, and now he doesn’t want any part of the guy,” he said.

    “I’m willing to be his new preacher.”

    This isn’t Lisante’s first partisan invocation. He got attention for a prayerful attack on Eliot Spitzer a couple of years ago, which he jokes in the video above was “prophetic.”

  60. confloyd says..I still wonder how that slain, unsolved murder of the choir director fits into all of this?

    can we all say……..”CHICAGO COMBINE” = “MAYOR DALY” = OLD TIME Chicago Mobsters

  61. Linfar, great diary! I agree with you, it is ridiculous that he has not come out and apologized for the statements against Hillary. He probably will once he’s gotten the nomination in order to get our vote. For me that will be too late, and I see that will be just acting to get us to come over. He would have had to do it at the time of the incident for it to have an effect!

    The trolls over on TM, are looking over here to see if some sort of deal has been struck!

  62. hey all-action alert-super boyd richie chair fo the tx dems shocked the clintons by backing obama after they were told he was with them. this is an outrage. remember hillary won tx, and richie ill appoint 3 add on supers for OBAMA IN ASTATE THAT HILL WON. WE ARE FLOODING THE PARTY OFFICE WITH COMPLAINTS AND TELLING THEM DONT COUNT ON US IN NOV. PLEASE HELP US-TDP: > Boyd Richie> brichie@txdemocrats.org> > (512) 478-9800

  63. noquarter
    ===================================================
    STATEMENT OF FRANCIS CARDINAL GEORGE, O.M.I., ARCHBISHOP OF CHICAGO
    Friday, May 30, 2008

    Statement of Cardinal Francis George concerning remarks of
    Fr. Michael Pfleger about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton during
    an address at Trinity United Church of Christ on Sunday May 25, 2008

    The Catholic Church does not endorse political candidates. Consequently, while a priest must speak to political issues that are also moral, he may not endorse candidates nor engage in partisan campaigning.

    Racial issues are both political and moral and are also highly charged. Words can be differently interpreted, but Fr. Pfleger’s remarks about Senator Clinton are both partisan and amount to a personal attack. I regret that deeply.

    To avoid months of turmoil in the church, Fr. Pfleger has promised me that he will not enter into campaigning, will not publicly mention any candidate by name and will abide by the discipline common to all Catholic priests.

    It is unfortunate that Barack Obama cannot clearly make a such a statement.

    Via The Page:

    Clinton Campaign Response to Obama’s Comments on Rev. Pfleger
    Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson:

    “Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics. We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn’t specifically reject Father Pflegler’s despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so.”

    WHEN, BARACK OBAMA? WHEN?

    JOHN McCAIN HAS STOOD TALL FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN A TELEVISED COMMENTARY just aired on Fox News.

    WHEN WILL YOU STAND TALL FOR HILLARY CLINTON, you sniveling coward?

  64. Guys, I just read a post by SusanUnPC on No Quarter about Pfleger, and she says Fox aired a statement by McCain on this defending Hillary. Anyone know anything about this?

    Here’s what she said:

    JOHN McCAIN HAS STOOD TALL FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN A TELEVISED COMMENTARY just aired on Fox News.

    WHEN WILL YOU STAND TALL FOR HILLARY CLINTON, you sniveling coward? (obviously referring to Obama, lol)

  65. From: “Admin @ Hillary Rapid Responders”
    Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:24:29 -0400

    There is a strong rumor that Alice Germond, Secretary of the DNC, is actively trying to get the Committee members on the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws committee to split the Michigan delegates 50/50. If Alice is successful then Hillary will lose 9 delegates and the delegates will be given to Obama.

    This race is too close to allow the DNC to use backroom maneuvers to change the way Michigan voters voted.

    Please call and email Alice Germond at 202-863-8000 – germonda@dnc.org and ask her to stop this backdoor process.

    Hillary needs your help today!! Tomorrow is the day the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws committee meets.

    Thank you for all your support.

  66. He is doing something, that NO ONE, in her own party has done. The lack of respect is unforgiveable.

  67. Via a poster on No Quarter, McCain called the remarks “disgraceful.” Kudos to him!

    Obama blew this one badly. He issues some lame generic “apology” that doesn’t even mention Hillary, leaving a big opening for McCain. The Obama people must be super dense. They have to know how pissed millions of women are at how HRC’s been treated, and this only makes matters worse.

    Plus, McCain really does respect HRC, so I know he’s being sincere.

  68. Exactly, birdgal. Where are Pelosi and Dean on this? Never mind. They only speak up when it affects Waffles. Hillary can go to hell as far as they’re concerned. Well, the DNC can go to hell AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED.

    If anyone can find a transcript of McCain’s remarks, please post them.

  69. I called the DNC and Pelousy’s office today – same thing, voicemail. Bunch of pansies. That’s not how you win elections, ‘oh, a fellow Democrat disagrees with me. I’ll just send him to voicemail.’

  70. skmf,
    I understand. I don’t watch much TV these days and pick up most info from TN or noquarter. One poster said that Bill-O was so mad he left the stage for a few moments.
    About Pfleger,
    I heard a sound bite from the infamous sermon on Rush and I almost choked on my sandwich. (Gotta leave the cottage mostof the time these days coz of the friggin repair/renovation).
    Anyway, within a couple of seconds what immediately crossed my mind was here was a clerical Eminem wannabe – just another white boy trying to ‘get down’ with the gang. Every word, every cadence, every crescendo, every inflection made me imagine him standing in front of the mirror, a recorder in one hand, playing Wright, Meeks, the new guy over and over, pausing to practice their intonation to get the authenticity, the style, the rhythm, just right. it was sooooo pathetic. And, yes, what I describe is what students do with their favorite musicians. All i can say is Phlegmler better not quit his day gig coz I doubt TUCC will hire him anytime soon. 👿

  71. I tell he will not apologize because everything that has been said he believes and most of it I’m sure was said while Bambi was in the audience!!

  72. Coverage continues to heat up over tomorrow. My prediction: the Brazile-led, biased committee will issue a one-sided ruling tomorrow, favoring Obama, and Clinton will reject it and promise to take the campaign all the way to Denver.

    ——–
    May 30, 2008, 1:28 pm
    Clinton Camp’s Argument: No Michigan Delegates for You

    By Katharine Q. Seelye
    NYTimes

    Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign says that the Democratic party cannot award any of the “uncommitted” delegates from Michigan to any specific candidate, setting up a potentially major battle with the campaign of Senator Barack Obama.

    At issue are the results of the Michigan primary, in which 55 percent of voters voted for Mrs. Clinton while about 40 percent of voters cast their ballots for “uncommitted.” Mr. Obama and most other Democrats had taken themselves off the ballot.

    A proposal has been floating in advance of a party rules committee meeting tomorrow that would award all or a portion of those “uncommitted” Michigan delegates to Mr. Obama.

    But the Clinton campaign intends to argue that Mr. Obama should receive zero delegates from Michigan because those delegates awarded to “uncommitted” have to go to the convention uncommitted.

    “It’s impossible to discern the mind of each of the 238,000 people who voted for ‘uncommitted,’” Mr. Ickes said. He said the Clinton campaign’s view is that the 55 delegates representing ‘uncommitted’ “can support whomever they want but they must remain uncommitted and be certified to the D.N.C. as uncommitted.” He said that 36 of those delegates have been chosen so far.

    He said that neither the Democratic National Committee nor the rules committee had the jurisdiction or the power to “take those uncommitted delegates and award them to Senator Obama” any more than it had the power to take the 73 delegates who were awarded to Mrs. Clinton and give them to another candidate.

    “That is as fundamental a rule as there is,” he said. “It is bedrock. It is below bedrock of our party.”

    We’re seeking a response from the Obama camp and others.

  73. Democratic? Party budget cuts.

    Don’t contribute to the Democratic? National Committee – it’s having an effect. The Denver Post:

    http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9421155

    Millions of dollars behind in raising money and unlikely to meet a fast-approaching final deadline, the Denver committee hosting the Democratic National Convention is considering spending cuts.

    Committee sources say they are working with the Democratic National Convention Committee to consider lowering the $55 million in private cash and donated services that must be raised to bring the convention to town. The cuts would be made to the many parties the host committee is obligated to throw for the delegations and the news media, and other hospitality functions not tied to production aspects inside the convention hall.

    ———————

    With less than 90 days to the convention and no way to stage it elsewhere, the shortfall in funds could mean the Democratic Party’s plan to showcase itself in a smaller city will result in making do with less.

    ——————

    Sondermann says he thinks it’s understandable that the money has been hard to come by because potential donors have been reluctant to step in without a clear Democratic presidential nominee. The problem is worsened by the possibility that a vote on the convention floor might be what settles the question of whether to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan.

    ————-

    The host committee sources didn’t specify an amount they wish to cut. But committee officials are $15 million short of the $40 million in cash they are contractually obligated to raise by June 16.

    The committee also must raise $15 million in donated services, which, if those aren’t offered, must be bought. The value of donated services offered to date has not been released.

    The committee never established an $19.5 million line of credit it agreed to in its contract with the DNCC. Officials had said they didn’t think it would be necessary. Now those officials say it would be impossible to establish.

    Mayor John Hickenlooper has frequently commented about the “backbreaking” work of trying to raise the money. Earlier this month, he said, “I’m not sure I could put in any more time. There’s weekends, there’s nights. My 5 1/2-year-old’s ready to ship me off to Siberia.”

    He declined to comment for this story.

    Denver’s committee missed its first milestone in June 2007 by $1.5 million but hit its second deadline in December with $15 million. It missed its third deadline March 17 by $5 million, and has raised only $2 million since then.

    JUNE 2007

    Goal: $7.5 million

    Actual: $6 million

    DECEMBER 2007

    Goal: $15 million

    Actual: $15 million

    MARCH 2008

    Goal: $28 million

    Actual: $23 million

    JUNE 16, 2008

    Goal: $40.6 million

    Current: $25 million

  74. Alice Germond is in the tank for Pampers.

    If you watch the RBC August 25th c-span video you’ll see her smug mug as she says, “Florida was just a beauty pageant.” That’s where Pampers got that phrase from, Germond.

    She’s a Brazillette.

    The ONLY person who defended Florida at all was Fowler.

  75. So, they are that broke! I signed up as a volunteer and they said they had reached there full amount and were just filling an alternate list now. Then I got an email yesterday acting like I would be asked to come and help. Gee, wonder why now!

    All they have to do to get the money they need is to reinstate the Fl and Mi votes at full vote status, then like magic everyone would contribute!!
    Stupid DNC!!

    I thought all those latte’ liberals were flush with cash, seems like they might need us white trash voters and contributors afterall. Maybe all those latte’s want to keep their money and just want to spend the Clintondem’s tax money, not there’s!!

  76. Well, then all those AA’s that have drank the kool-aid better start coughing up some money for the convention!!

  77. birdgal,

    As I said yesterday, McCain team is eyeing on a very attractive female V.P. candidate from Alaska. I read an article a while ago that his advisors believe only an ‘unconventional’ campaign including picking up an ‘unconventional’ V.P. can help GOP win the white house in Nov under such dismal macro-condition.

    So I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain picks Sarah in the end. The soccer mom bloc will abandon Obama in droves if this scenario pans out. This may sound shallow, but Pelosi/McCaskill are not going to compete against beauty queen Sarah even with heavy botox, therefore won’t be able to save Obama’s ass.

    Sarah, btw, has 80% job approval ratings in Alaska.

  78. I think it is hilarious that in all their infinite wisdom, they can’t raise enough money to have the convention to coronate their beloved Bambi. ROTFLMAO!!!

  79. Here’s what MSNBC has on it:

    On the Obama call, Doyle responded to Father Michael Pfleger’s recent comments by arguing that he does not “think statements from some member of the clergy that really went over the top are going to make any difference.” Campaign spokesman John Earnest quickly stepped in to “point out that Senator Obama has issued a statement clearly distancing himself from these remarks.”

    When asked about Pfleger’s comments, McCain declined to say whether Obama should leave his church, but he leapt to Clinton’s defense.

    “I have always treated her with respect,” McCain said, adding that he’s disagreed with her on the issues, but the language used against her is “unwarranted, uncalled for and disgraceful.”

    Gov. Jim Doyle of WI is an idiot.

  80. confloyd,

    thats so righteous brother, thats the way it is…
    and they are not getting ours…

    remember when obama was asking for that ‘fie dolla’ from everyone ?
    hmmmm maybe he needs to get out there and steal from the
    poor again…

  81. Amazing. Millions went to the ballot box despite knowing the possibility that their votes didn’t count and the Secretary of the DNC calls it a beauty pageant. This Primary is really exposing the all idiotic and flakey people behind the DNC. No wonder we lose elections.

  82. Hi, I am an avid fan of this site and have not missed a day without reading everything since I joined. I stopped watching CNN, MSNBC, Bill Maher, The Daily Show and will never watch them again! I occasionally watch Fox though and today they were talking that HRC had agreed NOT to seat Fla and MI in the beginning and now she changed her mind – Is this true?

  83. Many here are being defamed and libeled on a website maintained by an individual with more time than common sense, at McCainis44.org.

    I would suggest filing a lawsuit against the owner and operator of the website (which should be easily ascertainable by request or subpoena of the registrar). OkieAtty, perhaps you can help out with this, or be one of the first people to file suit, given that you have more resources. Your state’s long arm statute will at the very least force the perpetrator to defend his suit in Oklahoma, which would be more than enough punishment.

  84. Per ABCNews

    I’m sure Obama campaign will welcome Mugaba’s ambassador to help them make a case to disenfranchise MI and FL….

    Zimbabwean Ambassador Takes Umbrage at Clinton’s Florida Remarks
    May 30, 2008 1:43 PM

    The ambassador to the United States from Zimbabwe, Machivenyika Mapuranga, took issue this week with comments Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, made in Florida last week to urge that the Democratic National Committee count every vote as cast from disputed contests in Florida and Michigan.

    In Sunrise, Florida, on May 21, Clinton referred to people who “go through the motions of an election only to have them discarded and disregarded. We’re seeing that right now in Zimbabwe. Tragically, an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people. So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote.”

    Mapuranga said Clinton’s remarks were made “out of ignorance or malice.”

    “The 29th March 2008 election resulted in the ruling party (Zanu PF) winning 97 seats, and the opposition party (MDC) winning 99 seats, as declared by the independent electoral commission,” Mapuranga said. “If Sen. Hillary Clinton was not aware of these facts, her ignorance can be excused considering the stressful situation she is in because of her faltering campaign; but if she was aware of the facts, we can only conclude that this is yet another of her misspoken utterances.”

    “There were four presidential candidates and none of them attained the requisite threshold of 50 percent plus 1 votes,” Mapuranga said. “The Electoral Act provides that in that event there must be a run-off between the two top candidates.”

  85. i am not the most knowledgeable person on issues socal,

    but i believe she signed a letter saying she would not
    campaign there, and did not.

    she has said all along, she believed that they would be seated,
    because because to disenfranchise florida, after the whole
    florida vote debacle, would be ludicrous. especially by our own
    democratic party.

    especially as florida, has had the worst treatment where their voter rights are concerned. who would believe today, that the dnc, and nancy pelosi, will say that floridas vote does not count?

    its some kind of outer limits moment…

  86. I don’t know whether the thing with Fr. Pfleger was planned or not. But his apology was very carefully worded. He did not apologize for the meaning of his words, only for his words. So, he remains unrepentent and is apologizing because he picked the wrong words. Obama’s statement falls very short. He calls the priest backwards looking, another word for old, which he has used before. But Obama and the good father have been friends for a long time. It is clear by looking at the reactions of most of the people in church that he was “preaching to the choir.” This is something they have heard before, something with which they agree, and something the Obama family has shared for 2 decades.

  87. pfleger, would he have made an apology had he not be caught in a media frenzy?

    would he of come to some sort of Ill feeling about his words other wise on his own?………probably not

    Obama……. did not repudiate the man or his words IMHO , BO said nothing about the church that these words were spoken in, said nothing about how wronged hillary was…..HE’s a PIG!!!…….. BO only played a pawn in the media chess game
    but by no means was it sincere.

    and now he sits with egg on his face (thrown by McCain, who is a gentle man)

  88. you know, it was a little embarrassing to see those black folk,
    stand up and pander to that ‘white’, ‘white hating’, preacher….

    for me it would have been a WTFW MOMENT, but oh well…

    (‘what the f*ck whitey’ moment)

  89. Bought and Bossed Bloggers at MyDD?

    H t t p : / / noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/a-bought-and-bossed-blogger/#more-2808

    By Chicagoan on May 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM in Bloggers, Chicago politics, David Axelrod, MyDD, Obamatopia, Obamedia

    What will months of shameless advocacy for a political candidate enable one to secure? What will months of mindlessly paraphrasing emails from campaign operatives enable one to secure? What will months of banning supporters of Hillary Clinton enable one to secure? What will months of misrepresenting the policies of Hillary Clinton on a major political blog enable one to secure? What will months of directly and subtly accusing Bill Clinton of racism enable one to secure? What will months of unrestrained hackery for a political candidate enable one to secure? What will months of fabricating false momentum for a political candidate in the important state of California enable one to secure? What will months of editing the work of Hillary supporters enable one to secure?
    (picture of Perkins cole here)
    A position at Perkins Cole, of course, for Perkins Cole is the law firm that represents the Obama campaign. Even the mediocre, overweight, unprepossessing and unimaginative can climb the social ladder if favors are performed for the Obama campaign. Is anyone surprised? Am I wrong to assume that this is another example of quid pro quo with the Obama campaign?
    Chicago politics is now online politics: Obama has a Daddy Rezko, and some bloggers have a Daddy Axelrod. This is the change in which venal political hacks have been trained to believe.
    By the way, one Obamabot will be substituted for another at MyDD. For the new hire, Joshua Orton, is an avowed hack who has already been programmed by Axelrod. Out with one bot and in with another: MyDD will remain a haven for interchangeable Obama supporters.
    I thank the Villarreal brothers of Villarreal Sports for the imagetext of Obamabot Jonathan Singer.

  90. What the crap! I just heard an audio of Sen. McCain DEFENDING Sen. Clinton.

    He said to paraphrase:

    I have known Sen. Clinton for a long time and though we may disagree on some issues, I have always treated her with respect and thought alot of her and she does not deserve to be treated like that.

    Something to that effect re Father Pfleger’s parody of Sen. clinton;

    Why in the world does it take the Republicans again and specifically, The Repub. nominee to defend her? Where is Dean who defended Obama? where are the Democratic women, where are the party elders?

    tiburones | 05.30.2008 – 4:17 pm | #

  91. Just heard on ABC news, again, that even if Michigan and Florida delegates are seated in full, just like the Clinton campaign wants, she STILL won’t have the ‘math’ for the nomination. They surely don’t get it. If they are so sure, then they should be magnaminous and seat them all. That way the Dems just might win Florida and Michigan in November, and Clinton supporters will agree she lost fairly. But no, they don’t want that, because, hey WHAT IF it helped her get the nomination?

  92. Yeah, where’s is the DNC in defending one of its own? I can tell tribones, they don’t need the old coalition that Senator Clinton represents. That’s it in a nutshell, they do not care if we go to the republicans because they think thats where we belong anyway. They say it over and over again, republican-lite! They want to have it their way and only their way. They do not want to compromise and make our system work like the people of this country want them to do. They want more fighting and more partison fighting.

  93. I am ready for the Rulz comittee to start their tirade. It will be funny because they know when they say they will not seat the delegates that Hillary is going to say, see ya in August! Then they will have NO money for the convention!! In the end Hillary is going to win and they know it. The General Election will not support an Obama aka white hating President!

  94. Couple Questions

    1) What time is the meeting tomorrow?
    2) Will it be televised?
    3) If so what station?

  95. So now Father is saying we white people are rapists! Wow! That should go over like a lead baloon. When do you think the elitest are going to get tired of being called rapists, racist, lovers of slavery!

  96. berkley: skmf12, I just emailed and called Alice Germond. thx for the heads-up.
    ———————————————-
    I did too. Left message based on your comments. Told her important for the DNC to keep this process honest and reflective of the will of the people because the world is watching.

  97. # meiyingsu Says:
    May 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    I believe that Hillary can win in GE even if she run as independent.

    I Agreee!!

    I don’t know how it will happen but I believe that HRC will be the next POTUS.

  98. confloyd Says:

    May 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
    So now Father is saying we white people are rapists! Wow! That should go over like a lead baloon. When do you think the elitest are going to get tired of being called rapists, racist, lovers of slavery!

    ****************************8
    Confloyd, I’m still at work but I’m listening to my local right wing talk show host: The Schnitt Show(he’s syndicated) and he just played the ‘rape’ clip, that was bad.

    he also played Ftr. Pfleger talking about ‘how dare they try to denigrate Farrakkhan, Rev. Wright, one of our greatest religious scholar that our country has know? I won’t let them’

    Can Obama really claim that he doesn’t share their views or that he has nothing to do with Farrakkhan? He may not but 2 of his spiritual advisors think the world of Farrakkhan and have defended him.

    The Repubs are all over this and will use it to turn the conversation away from Scott McClenan.

    Let’s see if the MSM whores will give this story any daylight and if they do if they will continue to make excuses for Obama.

    it’s ashame that McCain defends Sen. Clinton and Obama : crickets

  99. Hannity…………says he’s going to air NEW VIDEOS FROM TRINITY TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  100. i agree emjay, she may be behind if the full florida and michigan delegation is added but that may be too close for comfort for obama. they will not like to take that risk. i say to obama take his chances and admit them. then if hillary falls short we will lick my wounds an go on. but we are talking about obama and his bots here.

  101. Yessssssss more Trinity videos! The pressure on Obama to follow Oprah Winfrey’s lead and leave the Trinity church is going to increase by the hour.

    And if Obama keeps saying “I had no idea” to all these new revelations, then it just begs the question — dude, do you ever even go to church?

  102. terrondt,

    i’m Emmy (formerly known as emkay — because people were confusing me with emjay). Glad you agree with me.

    Hillary is back in Puerto Rico!

  103. oprah only left that church at the urging of her staff/associates on the basis that it could have a ill effect with her audience
    if she stayed in that church and they found out. (aka expedience)

    she did not leave the church because she didn’t agree with Wrights views……..she was a member of that church for a few years prior to leaving the church.

  104. Yeah, I heard that too djia. It’s just funny to me that Oprah is more politically-savvy than Obama. I also read that Oprah’s ratings have been declining significantly over the past year, and that analysts think one of the big reasons is her association with Obama, which has alienated many of her viewers, which statistically, tend to be white women, who statistically tend to support Hillary.

  105. ICKES HINTS THAT IT MAY BE ‘ON TO DENVER’

    The major dispute over the Florida and Michigan delegations to the Democratic convention in Denver has now boiled down to Hillary Clinton’s demand for full seating with no sanctions, and an alternative proposal, likely to be backed by Obama, to seat the delegations with either half a vote granted to each delegate, or to cut each delegation in half.

    The Clinton proposal — which now faces tough, if not insurmountable, odds at the Saturday, May 31 meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) – would give the New York Senator 55 more delegates than would go to Obama.

    The alternative of either halved votes or halved delegations would net Clinton only 20 or so delegates, depending on the details. Obama could afford to concede a 20-plus delegate gain to Clinton without endangering his overall delegate advantage.

    Harold Ickes, Clinton’s chief delegate hunter, warned that there may be some defections among the 13 RBC members who have endorsed Hillary. If Ickes and his allies cannot hold all their troops in line, a motion before the RBC to seat all 210 Florida and 156 Michigan delegates with a full vote each would face certain defeat.

    If defeated at the RBC on Saturday, the Clinton forces are expected to file an appeal to the Democratic convention credentials committee and possibly, failing that, to the full convention.

    One of the publicly unstated reasons that Clinton is remaining in the race is to be positioned to step in immediately in the increasingly unlikely event that damaging new material emerges about Obama. In such an event, retaining the right to force pre-nomination fights over credentials becomes crucial to a delaying strategy to allow any conceivable controversy to gain momentum.

    Clinton won the January primaries in Florida and Michigan, but the national party has stripped the two states of all delegates in punishment for holding primaries before February 5 in violation of party rules.

    On the RBC, there are a total of 28 voting members, along with two co-chairs who can vote only in the event of a tie. To win, then, Clinton needs at least 15 votes, or, if both co-chairs cast ballots, 16 votes.

    Those numbers appear increasingly hard to reach, especially after Democratic National Committee lawyers issued a ruling earlier this week that the RBC does not have the power to fully reinstate the two disputed delegations. The Clinton forces contend that the DNC ruling is wrong.

    Ickes argued that all is not lost as the RBC session fast approaches. One of the recognized experts in party rules, Ickes said a number of the RBC members have been misinformed about the rules governing the powers of the committee, and he intends to correct the situation before the votes are taken starting on Saturday afternoon.

  106. New video my brother and I made about the impending FL and MI disaster:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkE0f-WPW0

    I just found out that Chicagoan wrote up a piece about myself and the inappropriate banning of myself by the pusillanimous, compromised Jonathan Singer at MyDD:

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/a-bought-and-bossed-blogger/

    Now is the time we have to dig in and get the work done. The Axelrodian Astroturfers are out in full force trying to punk out FL & MI, and we need to stand tall and get them on the record for their anti-American, non-democratic actions.

    My new Michelle video (see last link in sig) is blowing the eff up on Youtue, approaching 2,000 hits in just over 2 days.

    People are mad, they are fed-up and they are livid that the same people who said Gore was Prez in 2000 are now saying “Screw You” to FL & MI, as well as to the majority of the party and the primary electorate who has voted for Clinton.

    Let’s roll, people.

    🙂

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    The Obama Equation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pSFrHfMWs

  107. socal4hill Says:
    May 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    ————————————–

    No, Hillary has been supporting the Florida delegates since Jan 25, four days before their primary. The only agreement she signed was not to CAMPAIGN in FLorida, and she kept that agreement. (The only one who did campaign in Florida was Obama, running cable tv ads there; so by the Rulz he should lose ALL his FL delegates.)

  108. wheeeeeeew,

    i was just on noquarter listening to the comference call with
    wolfson ickes and the other lawyer, about tomorrows meeting…

    the one thing that i didnt know and had clarified for me was this:

    it wasnt the dnc rules committee that made the candidates
    sign the pledge to not campaign in mi and fL, it was the other
    4 early states that were granted a waver, to go back in front
    of michigan and florida again, when they went early.

    so a reporter asked wolfson why, if hillary signed that paper,
    she now wants to say it wasnt fair?

    the lawyers said, wait a minute, hillary has said all along, as
    far back as new hampshire, that not seating florida was a
    travesty, and that that many million people had a right to have
    their vote counted.

    and that is why, hillary suggested, and tryed hart to push for a
    revote, because she did not wish to see any american
    disenfranchised.

    so as we can see, hillary has not tried to game the system, she
    had a solution, and even some were willing to pay for it, but obama
    wouldnt hear of it.

    in the face of obama not accepting a new vote that would
    reflect the will the people in those states, there is no choice
    but to accept the only votes now in existence…

    🙂

  109. Nancy Pelosi jams her foot in her mouth again, and insults Clinton supporters. More proof that the Obama/DNC crowd is in full panic mode about what we’re going to do.

    An ACTUAL quote from Pelosi, and no, I’m not making this up: “[Clinton supporters’] enthusiasm is wonderful … but it’s a luxury I can’t afford.”

    Oh really, Madame Speaker? It’s a luxury that YOU can’t afford?!? What about the 17 million voters, and the majority of Democrats — do their wishes count?

    ———-
    (05-30) 13:16 PDT SAN FRANCISCO — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Friday warned supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who are threatening to take the delegate fight as far as the Democratic National Convention, that they are pursuing “a scorched earth philosophy” that would seriously damage the chances of electing a Democratic president in November.

    “There is too much at stake in our country for us to be thinking that we can afford the luxury of intra-party battles eight weeks before the election,” said Pelosi, in her strongest words yet on the battle over seating delegates from Florida and Michigan. “We’ve had many months to have a debate, to come to a conclusion. And one way or another … we have to come together.”

    Pelosi’s warnings – issued during a visit to a San Francisco food bank – came a day before the Democratic Party’s rules committee meets in Washington Saturday to decide the controversy over seating delegates from Michigan and Florida, which held early primaries in defiance of party rules. Earlier this week, she The Chronicle that she expects the primary battle between Clinton and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to be resolved after the last primaries this week. If they are not, she warned, she will “step in” if necessary to prevent a fight at Democratic National Convention in late August.

    “The American people have to know the Democratic Party can run its own delegate selection process … if they want to govern America,” Pelosi said Friday. “The rules are what the rules are.”

    “Instead of talking about process,” Democrats now need to “talk about how we have a progressive economic agenda. … That’s what the American people want to hear about,” she said. “That’s how we can take America in a new direction.”

    Pelosi responded to Clinton supporters who have vowed to take the New York Senator’s fight all the way to the floor of the convention – chaired by the Speaker.

    “I admire the enthusiasm of those who want to take this to the limit,” Pelosi said. “But it will harm our party’s chances to win in November. Their enthusiasm is wonderful … but it’s a luxury I can’t afford.”

  110. Here’s the rest of that article — it got cut off. Check out Pelosi’s other quotes!!! Talk about being divisive!!!

    —–
    Pelosi stressed again that “a June timetable is one that we (party leaders) all share” to resolve the issue of seating delegates from Florida and Michigan.

    “This is the democratic process … we take it one step at a time. This weekend the (party’s) rules committee will act,” followed by the final three primaries – Puerto Rico on Sunday, Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday. Then, she predicted, “there will be some movement of the superdelegates after that … and we’ll make a judgment at that time on what is needed.” She said she has not been in touch with superdelegates or with Clinton on the matter.

    Pelosi stressed she is “respectful of Sen. Clinton and the magnificent race she is making,” but in the end, “whoever has the magic number of delegates will win the nomination.”

    Pelosi added she did not blame Clinton for the current controversy.

    “Sen. Clinton and President Clinton, they are leaders in our country. They’re above all of this,” she added. “The enthusiasm of some of our supporters sometimes gets a little zealous.”

    “I respect it. It’s the democratic way,” she said. “It’s not about strategy. It’s about letting the events unfold and making a decision.”

  111. Found this @ Talk Left. BTW, one o the lame talking points I keep seeing is if something isn’t done withFL &MI, there will be chaos … in 2012!!!

    Does anyone here give a flying f*ck? Didn’t think so.

    Hillary is not conceding seating Florida and Michigan by any stretch of the imagination. She is fighting as hard as ever. Here is the letter her campaign sent out today.

    * The Rules and Bylaws Committee has the authority to seat all of the delegates from Florida and Michigan with full votes.
    * Actual election results must control the allocation of Michigan’s delegates.
    * Although they oppose any 50% solution, seating all the delegates with 1/2 vote is less harmful than seating 50% of the delegates and giving those 50% a full vote.

    The campaign asks the committee to rule promptly rather than waiting for the Credentials committee to act.

  112. Oh, two more things.

    Chicagoans’ article has drawn many people to my site’s article. We already have had hits today from the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the State of Florida (FLA government) reading about what Singer did.

    The world knows, Singer. You can’t run, you can’t hide. You and your fellow Axelrodian Astroturfers are being exposed, and will continue to be held up to the world’s ridicule as you so richly deserve.

    Ha ha ha.

    These people try to silence us — the majority of the party.

    You don’t silence majorities, Johnny Boy. Believe me, I know you come to the site every day, like clockwork. So pathetic yet so predictable.

    I can’t wait to look at the server log from tonight and see the Who’s Who of the people who saw Singer exposed for the hack he is.

    *

    Please rate my brother’s and my new video highly if you have a YouTube account. It will help spread the message about the travesty which is happening to the millions of voters in FL & MI.

    Thanks,

    Paul F. Villarreal

  113. Re the DNC’s money troubles with Denver….

    There comes a tme in an abusive relationship when the wife suddenly swings from protecting the abuser — to kicking down his house of cards.

    committee officials are $15 million short of the $40 million in cash they are contractually obligated to raise by June 16.

    So THIS is why Pelosi et al are in such a hurry to ‘have it over’. They hope that they’ll get more donations in time to have their party in Denver.

    So Obama can offer to finance their convention if they nominate him, or to riot if they don’t. Pretty persuasive. But how many of the SDs care about all that, and how many want a winner in November?

    Along with a vote strike scheduled for GE day in November, maybe there’s room for a donation strike NOW. It’s been happening quietly, but maybe it’s time to really fire it up and get everyone who has donated to the DNC any time in the last year or whatever, to demand their money back, too.

    Okie, Wbboei, what’s the deal on donors getting refunds? Can someone write up a letter citing chapter and verse for them all to send?

    Or what about a class action suit?

  114. Turndownobama-com wrote:

    committee officials are $15 million short of the $40 million in cash they are contractually obligated to raise by June 16.

    So THIS is why Pelosi et al are in such a hurry to ‘have it over’. They hope that they’ll get more donations in time to have their party in Denver.
    ———

    Yes, exactly. Pelosi’s slip of the tongue in this afternoon’s Chronicle article confirms it, too, when she said of Clinton’s volunteers, “I admire the enthusiasm of those who want to take this to the limit,” Pelosi said. “But it will harm our party’s chances to win in November. Their enthusiasm is wonderful … but it’s a luxury I can’t afford.”

  115. the lawyers said, wait a minute, hillary has said all along, as
    far back as new hampshire, that not seating florida was a
    travesty, and that that many million people had a right to have
    their vote counted.

    and that is why, hillary suggested, and tryed hart to push for a
    revote, because she did not wish to see any american
    disenfranchised
    ———————————————–

    skmf: That is what I have always understood, and what I have always said. Good.

  116. Pelosi’s statement reminds me of something Camus said namely that the welfare of the people (in this case the party) has always been the alibi of tyrants.

  117. Right about now Jimmy Herman is looking down from his ILWU reserved seat in heaven and saying Nancy Pelosi- I never knew ye. What a disgrace.

  118. re Pelosi: but it’s a luxury I can’t afford.”

    I as in singular….not America…..not the DNC…Not the democrat party……Not any of us…….Just Pelosi (singular)

  119. PS to my last.

    A policeman was once quoted as saying:

    “When two men fight in the street, one punches the other and that’s the end of it. When it’s a man and a woman, the woman placates, retreats, runs to her home, runs to her bedroom, locks herself in the bathroom…. And when the man breaks open the door, she shoots him full of holes and then reloads and does it again.”

    Whatever Hillary does at this point, if Obama is the nominee, we’re voting for McCain and cutting the DNC into small pieces.

  120. turndownobama-com: I will think about that one but it is only fair to warn you that my malparactice insurance has expired. The good news is there have been no claims against it.

  121. Berkeley,

    I agree with what a few others have said about Wright and now this Pfllllfwhosis. They’ve got 15 minutes of fame and they’re milkng it for their own profit. Wright has a book coming out soon, maybe PFillfviffle wants one too.

    As for their effect on Obama … he’s been gradually throwing them under the bus since the first Wright tapes came out, so why wouldn’t they run their bus over him if they have a chance for money?

  122. The DNC has made quite a hash of this process from beginning to end – serves them right for making partisan decisions instead of simply doing what is right based on democratic values. Hillary MUST take this to the convention – neither she nor BO will reach the required number without supers and their “votes” aren’t “votes” until the convention!

  123. wbboei Says:
    May 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
    turndownobama-com: I will think about that one but it is only fair to warn you that my malparactice insurance has expired. The good news is there have been no claims against it.

    ROFL! I was mostly venting, but there might be an idea in there somewhere. Like, to make the donation strike more official and noticeable.

    Btw, I’m also known as 1950democrat. 🙂

  124. djia wrote:

    re Pelosi: but it’s a luxury I can’t afford.”

    I as in singular….not America…..not the DNC…Not the democrat party……Not any of us…….Just Pelosi (singular)
    ——–

    Yep — it’s all about Nancy Pelosi’s job security and the DNC’s need to raise money to finance the convention. She’s almost as much of an elitist as Obama.

  125. berkeley,

    Actually in the ILl senate and the US senate, Obama got an on-paper record as liberal, but where it didn’t show up publically or on the simplistic paper record, he changed the fine print to favor the big money interests. Also look at his advisors, old Reagan people.

  126. wbboei Says:
    May 30th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    I don’t think Reid supports BO. He’s just been ineffectual in this Primary is all.

    Oh, that’s encouraging.

    Someone elsewhrere was saying Pelosi’s demand amounts to a secret straw poll of SDs. Which might not be a bad thing, if enough of them tell her they’d break for Hillary, but are just scared to do it publically.

  127. ****** dont want to get on this subject again***********
    but must make some people aware of what we’ve been talking about
    when we have warned against trolls here…

    LARRY JOHNSON,

    put a warning on his web site about people making threats against obama on his web site, said he had to send some to the FBI,

    i will post this from one of the trolls there that you should see:
    ****************************************************
    Comment by T Jefferson | 2008-05-30 15:43:56

    Too late. These comments and those from places such as H44 and taylormarsh have been re-posted all over the web, and your hatred is too well documented to back away from it now. The only reason Larry is even posting this is because *he* has already been contacted by Feds regarding the threats posted on *his* site. Bet he won’t be waving his fake “whitey video” story anymore, will you Larry?

    *****************************************************
    some of the regular posters there has said, the trolls have been trying
    to direct the conversation, and trying to incite us, so we will make
    statements they can use agianst hillary and the websites…

    just saying folks…
    we’ve got to be smarter than this.
    okay i’m done…

  128. As for the Supreme Court, well, many things. One is a lot of women are insulted that the Dem leaders think they can use that to beat us into order. Secondly, the older millions of older women who support Clinton are pass child bearing age, or are at a point of their lives where economics are not an issue for raising a child. The younger women who keep thinking that feminism is something shameful and think it’s so cool to support Obama, well then they can deal with the consequences on their own.

    Yep, there is such a feeling. A lot has happened since Roe. Now that better contracepton is available (thanks to HIllary for ‘Plan B’), there’s a feeling that if those teenybopper Obamabots (and NARAL!) forget to take their pill, they’re on their own.

  129. Republicans, as much as I can’t stand their policies, to their credit, are more rational than Dems are when picking their starting quarterback. They look at which candidate can win the game. That’s the only real criteria they have. Instead of looking at athleticism (i.e., raw political skill and public appeal), Dems can be too inward looking

    The bots keep using the wrong metaphors — sports metaphors don’t really apply here. This primary is not a sporting contest where someone gets a prize and goes home, and gaming the rules is just part of the contest.

    This is more like try-outs or auditions. We’re looking for the best applicant for the job. ‘Winning’ the try-out by cheating is NOT a good sign.

    One sports cartoon showed BO as a boxer staggering already, with a small HIllary wearing gloves and being gentle with him (like a trainer). But behind her was the real boxer, a giant fierce McCain. A technical win in a training match isn’t followed by getting a prize and going home. It’s IMMEDIATELY followed by having to begin the real job in the real world, being hit from all sides by the GOP.

  130. OMG even covering pfleger giving to obama campaign, 20 year friendship and mentorship

    as well as…..!! how obama got ear marks for pfleger and his church!!! WOW

  131. From Rasmussen — yet more proof than Obama would get crushed by McCain and that the DNC is trying to drive the party over a cliff:

    ———

    Friday, May 30, 2008

    When it comes to the economy, 47% of voters trust John McCain more than Barack Obama. Obama is trusted more by 41%. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey also found that, when it comes to the War in Iraq, McCain is trusted more by 49% of voters. Obama is preferred by 37%. McCain has an even larger edge—53% to 31%–on the broader topic of National Security.

  132. Don’t have the time, health or sight to write too much now, but to Blaine, Jim, JBStones, Linfar, JustMe, many many elected and appointed FL delegates,volunteer bus and van drivers, LTTE writers, fact checkers, researchers, bloggers, our very own Admin, Craig Crawford, Larry Johnson and all the hundreds of others I cannot remember right now:

    My personal thoughts are with those of you I know, as well as those others who have our civil rights at heart, and are putting personal and professional treasure, time and energy on the line for me…Thank you from the depth of my being.

    I will keep thinking of you and your your contributions as we go into the next 15-36 hours.

    I believe there are MILLIONS of others who feel the same, thousands of whom post here. Our collective thoughts and energy are with those of you who are working for us.

    So off to give Hill this week’s meat money, again…remember, it is doubled and EOM is tomorrow.

    Watch our battle buddies on C-Span, starting early in the morning.

    Love,

    Emjay

  133. BV

    oh you know the ones that says obama is now polling better in states that hillary won …..what a joke!!

    they are saying he is running better in every catagory………..funny how that cnn and messnbc always run these polls
    but no one else does

  134. Oh, those polls… yeah, there’s one here in California today to that effect. Totally pointless and irrelevant. This election will be decided by swing states, and swing states only, like every election is. Anyone at CNN who doesn’t understand that deserves to be sent back to Political Science 101. And in every swing state, Hillary is stronger than Obama.

  135. WTF polls are they talking about. That is blatantly UNTRUE. The mass propaganda is astounding. Hillary is polling up in every state she won. That’s just a lie. Further, she is polling better in staes Obama won like NC and Kansas. My God, the lies go on and on.

  136. Via TM, from Marc Rubin, an early draft of an ad:

    With regards to the scheduling conflict that was the source of the problem in the first place let the punishment fit the crime. Ban the party leaders from the convention, not the duly elected delegates representing 2.3 million voters. Levy heavy fines against the state parties. Make the party leaders hop on one leg and promise never to do it again. But you don’t disenfranchise 2.3 million voters and their delegates in a process to choose a nominee for President of the United States because of a dispute over a scheduling conflict over which the voters had no say.

  137. Dear Nancy,

    Well, now you are a luxury I can no longer afford.

    I implore my CA friends to help me, my non-CA friends, the Democratic party and our country to rid us of this self-absorbed amoeba.

    Thanks in advance.

  138. To all those people polling Cali…I don’t know what crack pipe they’ve been smoking but Obambi is NOT going to win CA.

    It will be ugly in CA…and Nancy Pelosi can’t help him win the state.

    THIS IS WAR!!!

    Women it’s our own damn fault for letting the dems leaders THINK that we’ll drink from the koolaide of ROE vs WADE and the Supreme Court to let this LOSER play the sexist degrade game and still vote for him this November like every this is acceptable on getting “GANG RAPE.”

  139. FIGHT BACK AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON she needs our help. If you can give $10.00 dollars please do BUT don’t give a DIME TO THE DNC TO USE TO CORONATE KING OBAMBI!!

  140. I want to leave you with quotes from a fame civil rights leader that is pretty much forgotten but quoted constantly: Fannie Lou Hamer.

    • I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.

    • To support whatever is right, and to bring in justice where we’ve had so much injustice.

    • Nobody’s free until everybody’s free.

    • One night I went to the church. They had a mass meeting. And I went to the church, and they talked about how it was our right, that we could register and vote. They were talking about we could vote out people that we didn’t want in office, we thought that wasn’t right, that we could vote them out. That sounded interesting enough to me that I wanted to try it. I had never heard, until 1962, that black people could register and vote.

    • in nationally-televised testimony to the Credentials Committee of the Democratic National Convention, 1964: If the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now, I question America. Is this America? The land of the free and the home of the brave? Where we have to sleep with our telephones off the hook, because our lives be threatened daily.

    • When the Democratic National Committee offered a compromise in 1964 to seat 2 delegates of the 60+ sent by the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party: We didn’t come for no two seats when all of us is tired.
    *****************************************************
    Isn’t it Ironic that the DNC is doing this in reverse?

  141. Miss Nancy Pelousi will get her answer in November about affordability of us Clintondems. She will be out on the street and back to california with arnold. To bad Nancy if you can’t afford us now, we surely won’t be able to afford you in November! LOL!! She has got to be the stupidest person!!

  142. Just a heads up: I heard there are more Father Pfleger videos on Hannity tonight. What amazes me is that John McCain felt compelled to come out today and express disgust at the words Father Pfleger used towards Hillary yet Obama, a fellow Democrat, has said nothing in regards to the the vile personal attack on her by Pfleger. He just gave a rehash of his previous statement about Rev. Wright.

    When people ask me these days about why I don’t support Obama I tell them that his racist church is a deal breaker even without the many other things in regards to his history and associations that I find shocking. It disturbs me to the core that many Democrats don’t question and apparently can accept a candidate with this type of connection in his life.

  143. The story on taylormarsh about HRC drinking with reporters on the plane, I cannot fathom the amazing kindness of this woman. She is being kind to a press corps that has frankly treated her like grade a pure shit, and it pisses me off to no end, but shows her amazing ability to forgive those who do these things to her. I will never vote for this poser. I have a couple of friends going to the protests tomorrow from Iowa. I wish I could, but they were already in DC, I wish the protest lots of luck , and pray for us, our party, the country and Hillary that these delegations are fully seated.

  144. I fully appreciate McCains coming to the defense of Hillary for the attacks that OBama has unleashed aginst her through his supporters.He is an expert at keeping clean hands and blaming everone else for the slurs and insults.He is one piece of you know what.This dispicable AWA has destroyed any semblance of unity even in the senate,that needs its members reaching across the aisle to work together.His poor black followers have short sighted memories of his shady deals with REZKO.Obama greased the skids for phoney Tony to get millions from the Govt to buy condemned low cost housing developments with a promise to repair and make them safe and comfortable for the poor and mostly black tenants.In exchange Obama received hundreds of thousands of dollars to further his drive to power and a run at being the young and ambition driven great black hope.What a fraud.Tony did nothing to rehabilitate the bldgs and the poor tenants had to live with no heat,unuseable toilet facilities,broken windows and in many cases no power.In the interim the money from middle east robber barons kept flowing into his campaign.Muslims poluted with oil money have almost placed him in the oval office.Just look what he has caused to the election process,once the envy of free people everywhere.Stop him and his crazy pastors and his crazy.loony cult followers.THIS MAN MUST BE REJECTED NOW FOR WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND WHO HIS SUPPORTERS THINK THAT HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE.God help us if he succeeds.

    Hillary must be nominated. We are here for you Hillary.

    By ABM90

  145. McCain’s move today to slam Obama for having Father Pfleger as spiritual advisor was smart on multiple levels:

    * it lets him be the “bigger person,” to invoke a Bill Clinton-ism, and lets him woo any wayward Clinton supporters as well as independents,
    * it keeps the story in the headlines, when Big Media and the DNC have been trying to sweep the story under the rug,
    * it drives up Obama’s negatives

  146. I believe that once the delegates are seated we may see some supers come over to Hillary. The most recent PastorGate is one more reason that Hillary needs to keep her campaign open. The more that we know about who this man associates with, that disdainful church full of so called people who jumped up and down and hollered and shouted at the mention of Hillary’s name, well they disgust me.

    I will NEVER vote for him, nor will I vote down ticket for any democrat. I will punish every democrat in every race that is on my ticket.

    This radical church and his associations are disgusting.

  147. who here wants to take bets on whether Rev Wrong comes out next with a NEW STATEMENT of his own or not??? 😀

  148. BV

    you’re exactly right…. i don’t think the other MSM channels would of showed pfleger’s video today if McCain had not made a public statement…….I think McCain knew that too

  149. I would really like to know what Nancy’s ass thinks of Obama’s rev.’s? Wonder how she would like it if her’s was the name they were tearing up. I wonder if she’s ever walked in the shoes of someone else? She has no idea what its like to be the butt of jokes like Hillary is!

  150. Alert: HRC’s LETTER to DNC + C-Span Saturday Covers DNC Rules Meeting

    By SusanUnPCgravatarcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
    About: See Authors Posts (984) on May 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM in DNC

    hillarythoughtful.jpgHRC’s full letter, scanned, is up at Politico.com.

    The short version: 1) HRC is demanding that ALL HRC delegates be seated, and 2) that the uncommitted votes cannot go to Obama. But we suggest you read the full letter today, before tomorrow’s televised meeting so you have the campaign’s positions.

    No Quarter will provide you with LIVE THREADs throughout the meeting!

    09:30 AM – 3:00 PM ET, LIVE — On C-Span (1) — Watch on TV or online
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    7:00-7:15 Question/Newspaper Articles/Phones

    7:15-8:30

    Topic: An update on the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting that is being held in Washington this weekend. The committee is working on a plan to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida to the Democratic National convention this August. Both states were penalized earlier this year for holding their primaries before DNC rules allowed. Michigan has 157 delegates to the convention, including 128 pledged delegates and 29 superdelegates. Florida has 211 delegates, 185 pledged and 26 superdelegates.

    7:15-7:30 On the Phone (photo ID avail) Phoner REP. ROBERT WEXLER w/calls D-Florida, 19th District Obama for President Florida Co-Chair

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    8:00-8:30 REP. CORRINE BROWN D-Florida, 3rd District Clinton for President Supporter

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    From 8:30-9:15, the Washington Journal will look back 40 years to major events from 1968 and examine how they have impacted today’s society. Today, we’ll focus on the gold standard.

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    Topic: Our guest will discuss the repeal of the gold standard by Congress, why it happened, and whether it should it be reinstated.

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    Topic: An update on the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, which is being held in Washington today. The committee is working on a plan to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan to the Democratic National Convention this August. Both states were penalized earlier this year for holding their primaries before DNC rules allowed.

    9:30 LIVE – DNC Meeting

    Host: Robb Harleston

  151. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t like to be threatened.
    Post Date Wednesday, June 11, 2008

    Nancy Pelosi believes in being direct. With the Democratic presidential contest running hot, in March a reporter with Boston TV station NECN asked the House speaker about the possibility of a dream ticket uniting Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Doe eyes wide, the nation’s highest-ranking Democrat flashed her trademark smile ominously.

    “I think that the Clinton administration [sic] has fairly ruled that out by proclaiming that Senator McCain would be a better [long pause, dismayed half- laugh] commander-in-chief than Obama. I think that ticket–either way–is impossible.”

    Pelosi turned to walk off, then retraced her steps and added, with another half-laugh, “I didn’t want to leave you with any ambiguity.”

    Nope. No ambiguity here, say supporters of Team Hillary. As party elder and chairman of the upcoming Democratic convention, Pelosi maintains that she will not pick favorites in the nominating contest. But, as many of Hillary’s people see it, Pelosi’s repeated rejection of a “unity ticket” is just further proof that, official neutrality notwithstanding, the speaker wants Barack Obama to be the nominee–and will use her influence to make sure there is no place for Hillary on his ticket. Pelosi is “anything but uncommitted,” insists one Hillary adviser, echoing colleagues.

    Some Hillary folks believe that Pelosi assumes Obama would provide better coattails for down-ballot candidates to ride. Others think Hillary is considered too centrist to win Pelosi’s love. Still others suspect the speaker has calculated that she’d have more influence under President Obama than President Clinton–partly because Obama has more limited Washington experience than Hillary and partly because, as the Hillary adviser snarks, under Clinton, Pelosi would lose the advantages that attend being “the most senior skirt in the land.”

    Pelosi’s perceived offenses toward Hillary ’08 range from her public call for superdelegates to respect the will of regular voters (a boon to Obama, with his pledged-delegate lead) to her choice of Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius to respond to Bush’s State of the Union speech; the morning after her response, Sebelius endorsed Obama–something Hillary backers are convinced wouldn’t have happened without the speaker’s tacit blessing. With each new slight, Team Hillary aides grumble to Pelosi aides, while outside Hillary supporters– especially women and California voters–call the speaker’s office to grouse. But, as the race grinds on, Pelosi continues to offend. Most recently, even as she assured The Wall Street Journal that she saw “plenty of freshness” in both candidates, the speaker couldn’t help but add: “Some might say he’s advocating what I’ve been advocating for a long time.”

    Under the circumstances, it’s no surprise that some Hillary loyalists have grown bitter toward Pelosi. In April, nearly two dozen big-league Hillary donors, reacting to Pelosi’s warning about superdelegates, fired off an open letter to the speaker, cautioning that, if she failed to “clarify” her position, they would have to reconsider their long-standing support of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. It was the desperate act of a desperate people. It was also, to Hillary’s detriment, a stunningly ham-fisted move guaranteed to feed whatever bias Pelosi already had. Publicly, Pelosi dismissed the letter as “unimportant,” even as her office made clear that she was brassed off about it. “It was,” a Pelosi aide stressed to me of the effort, “a mistake on their part.”
    ****************************************************

    SEEMS TO ME THAT NANCY IS ALL THAT WE THOGHT SHE WAS:
    A RICH, SNOBBY, NASTY LITTLE ELITIST, WHO DOESNT WANT TO SHARE THE FIRST WOMAN FAME…

  152. Pelosi has made the mistake of contributing to the ire and anger of Hillary supporters, by her “unbiased” judgment and “neutrality.” If she was upset by the letter from financial backers, wait until she sees the defection of democrats to McCain. She is a Queen Bee.

  153. What I don’t understand, is why people are so afraid of taking this to the convention? NO ONE has been denied the chance to take their case to the convention. Why is it so selfish of Clinton? The race is very close. Heck, Ted Kennedy was down 700 delegates and took it to the convention. No one called him selfish, which in his case was true. This race is so much closer.

  154. I imagine they are scared she will win if she takes it to the convention. Hillary is America’s favorite and all the delegates get to vote, not just the super d’s. ‘

    There will be many people there that love the Clinton’s and that is what they are afraid of!!

  155. not to mention those “uncommitted” in MI that can then turn and vote Hillary at convention!! 😀

  156. oh and the uncommitteds from all the other states as well 😀

    these are the things the elite are truly afraid of

  157. BTW, skmf is right about us needing to be vigilant here about what we say.

    However, that comment from Obamabot T Jefferson had me LMAO. He really thinks the “whitey” video doesn’t exist? Boy, is he in for a rude awakening. As if an ex-CIA guy like Larry Johnson wouldn’t have reliable sources on something like this.

    Also, BV, I agree with you about the benefits of McCain coming to HRC’s defense. I posted earlier that the Waffles campaign responded to this poorly and hence gave McCain a nice opening. All Waffles had to do was mention how he took offense at the anti-Hillary diatribe; instead, he just issued some lame, boilerplate statement that didn’t even mention her.

  158. So guys whats on the biased news networks tonight? You all have not given a real-time blog of the events!

  159. tonight is the night to watch hannity!!

    this i think is going to be his best “stop obama express”

  160. remember all the pundits said that if something new came out on BO it could mean the end of him……..

    well now let’s just see if they hold to what they said a couple weeks ago

    by the way…..hannity is making a very good case tonight to end BO

  161. I even heard over at TM that the communist news network is giving BO a workover tonight!!! 🙂

  162. turndown…… I am proud to say i signed that along time ago! 😀

    thanks for posting it here so that more will that have not 😀

  163. confloyd…….do you think that maybe?? the DNC has put the word out to CNN etc that its now ok to
    expose obama due to their OWN BUYERS REMORSE????

  164. dija, The DNC doesn’t have buyer’s remorse. That’ll only happen after Waffles loses in November.

  165. paula

    I hear ya, but i can’t help but wonder, if i was the DNC and i did have buyers remorse, how could i get out of this with
    out offending the AA and Latte Liberals and the new kids on the block??

    and so i would allow the flood gates to open on BO TRUTHS so that i could not nominate him and take clinton
    instead with out as much backlash… and still make it look like they had ” NO Choice” but to not go with him.

  166. oh and one other thing…… its odd that this pfleger thing comes out just before tomorrows RBC meeting

  167. Cable TV is wall-to-wall coverage tonight of Trinity Church and Obama’s spiritual advisor, Father Pfleger. Wow, this might end up bigger than Wright.

  168. sorry……one more thing LOL My mind is a little roll right now 😀

    I also think its bizarr how quickly they also came out with MORE tapes AND!! the ear mark information all in one day

    they have not been so forth right with information so fast all primary………..ITS VERY SUSPICIOUS

  169. dija, It only came out now because Pfleger was arrogant/stupid enough to say those comments this past Sunday, lol. It’s not like the Wright sermons that happened a while ago.

    BV, Why do you think the story is staying alive? And are they covering McCain’s defense of Hillary?

  170. BTW, anybody else tired of hearing this argument from Obama supporters: “I want a woman president, just not THIS ONE.”

    That absolutely drives me up the wall.

  171. Believe the Opposite of what you hear from elitist Pelosi, Obama nd the MSM. Going to the convention is the best thing for Democracy and freedom. Let the shit fly – rather than try and contain the anger I think the best thing to do is to let it happen. Containing this is like putting an egg in a microwave.?? The DNC just doesn’t want to be embarrassed they want their little Bro to win the WH and they want all his money and fundraising contacts. Fuck ’em.

  172. HEADS UP!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hannity is about to expose another BO connection !!!

    see i am telling ya something is up!!!!

  173. well either i missed it, or it was to be aired on sunday?

    but it had something to do with a columbian professor connected to BO

    anyone know anything about who this might be?

  174. paula

    its no different that how we feel about BO

    I would love to see a AA in office just not this one 😀

  175. Djia, yep I would love to have an AA, just not this one, because this one has some rather large skeletons just waiting to be released!!!

  176. greta just said she talked to lynn sweet in the make up room prior to her show and that Ms Sweet
    told her she was breaking something new in tomorrow mornings Sun times in relation to this pfleger
    story tonight!!

    woooo hooo!! I am more and more convinced that something big is developing behind the scenes that
    will change the out come of the perceived nominee!!!

  177. Laney

    I am sure its the same thing on all the news channels tonight

    pfleger videos , commentators discussing it, bringing up that BO also got ear marks to the tune of $200k
    for pfleger and his church

    hannity was going to town how this will end BO and should

  178. I have to say, Lynn Sweet does a very good job. In an MSM crawling with Waffles apologists and ass-kissers, she’s eminently fair.

  179. ATTENTION MEDIA MEMBERS & UNDECIDED SUPERDELEGATES

    This is what we Hillary supporters have been facing ON A DAILY BASIS from the Obama fascists.

    This is a comment that I did not approve on my YouTube Michelle Obama video. The person obviously knows I am Mexican-American and is clearly trying to race-bait myself vis-a-vis “Anglos.” Typical divide and conquer attempt.

    What this post shows is fear of a unified front against Obama and that is exactly what there is and will be. He and his anti-American, race-baiting thug posse is getting sent back to Chicago with their hats in their hands.

    Here is the unredacted would-be comment which was submitted to my account in the past hour:


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    I know you are so proud of your wetback “mastery” of the Anglo’s language. At the end of the day they all view you are a dirty, bean eating, donkey fucking, Pancho Villa, tortillo rolling, low rider driving, greaser. You will never be accepted no what what you do. NO DOGS OR MEXICANS ALLOWED!
    Cowboy mfs still talking about the Alamo. e whites hate you.Fucking like roaches and live like sardines. They work day and night to send you back, and you think they are in solidarity with you?

  180. OMG, Paul, that is one horrible comment! The sad thing most people have no animosity against anyone. I work with some AA’s that I dearly love and since this broke there seems to be a barrier up. I love and respect them too much to let this wanna be ruin my friendship. I can imagine this is going on all over the country, for the exception in Nasty Pelousi’s neighborhood!

  181. I got the idea that it was something to do with that Columbia thing. I know that several Columbian were arrest and their computers confiscated and there were statements about Obama on the computers that we haven’t heard yet in totality! Wonder if that’s what Hannity has?

  182. I was wondering that too when he said “columbian”

    MSM never really did touch that topic of farc and the computer

  183. From Donna Brazile;

    “What would Democrats gain by taking this debate any further, especially when the party is now engaged in the kind of polarizing politics that we once denounced the GOP for using for partisan gain. What can be won by tainting the process, arguing the rules are now unfair, or worse, the Republican rule of winner-takes-all should have guided the Democrats as well? All this fuss is simply about saving face and waiting to see whether some awful thing tarnishes the presumptive nominee. It’s shameful, short-sighted, mean-spirited and morally unacceptable. Now, I said it.

    To my longstanding friends in the feminist community who have called out the media as being culturally sexist and misogynistic, it is time to help educate the American public about the corrosive impact of sexism in politics and elsewhere. But we can have this dialogue without using divisive language and political tactics that further threaten to divide our country and party. If another woman comes up to me in an airport and suggests Obama should wait his turn, I might scream, “Stop it!” This is not about who should be first, it’s about who has the most delegates and who might make the best president of the United States.

    The most tragic thing I have heard is this need to link the Obama camp to pundits inside the media who have used the “math” historically used to call an election with attempts to push Hillary out of the race. After all, when the senator held a lead in every national poll in 2007, the media described her groundbreaking campaign as being inevitable. No one called that sexist.

    Obama will have earned the right to become the declared Democratic nominee once he has reached the 2,026 delegates he needs. If the party decides to amend the just and known penalty it swore to impose on states and those officials that put its voters in jeopardy of not having a voice at the convention by violating the rules, the adjusted number should not alter
    the race. Instead, the amendment should allow the presumptive nominee to help bring the party together.

    Speaking of unity, it’s time that the same means used to stir up passions, donations and volunteer efforts for our all our party’s presidential candidates be redirected to help mount a credible offense to elect Democratic candidates up and down the ballot this fall. This will require all the party’s presidential campaigns to unite in urging their supporters to come together and stop the smear campaigns.

    No serious-minded Democratic official is asking Clinton to disappear. They better not. They know how much the party needs her and every one of her supporters back on the field to help push the nominee and the party down the field to victory. Let’s face it: Clinton can fire up the base like no one else, except perhaps Bill himself. Besides, she alone has proven that America is ready to vote for a woman for president. If she decides to continue to compete for popular votes and delegates, she has every right to do so. DNC Chairman Howard Dean will not stop the process — nor does he have any right to do so. And that also goes for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who will chair the convention in Denver.

    Democratic primary voters will need time for reconciliation, and the process needs to start sooner rather than later. Healing takes time.
    Both Clinton and Obama agree that once preconditions have been met, speaking to foreign enemies is a necessary first step toward peace. This basic tenet of diplomacy is best practiced by first being able to speak to one’s colleagues at home.

    At the very least, however difficult, it’s a good place to start. Come dawn on the fourth day of June, it will be high time to lay down arms, leaving hands free to pick up the olive branch and unite before going into battle.”

  184. Universal: That comment is despicable! I don’t know, what to say, it is so bad. The vitrolic hatred that is out there, is mind numbing and scary. That “person” must be jealous of all the great writing that you do. 🙂

    Blue: I don’t care what, DB has to say. Waffles can never bring the party together. His campaign has proven, what a divisive, arrogant, and narcisstic person he is. Don’t even get me started on his insufferable anti-American wife. Those two, do not belong in the White House.

  185. Universal….. I have been sitting her trying to put my feelings about that comment into words

    unfortunately…….I don’t think i should use the words here

    just know that although I am not mexican, my niece is 50% mexican
    and I take great offense to that comment.

    I describe myself as heinz 57, i am little bit of everything………but then so are most in this country…. so i guess i should just say i am AMERICAN and leave it at that.
    I certainly do not see color, nationality or religion before humanity… and i am proud that i have raised 5 children who share my same values 😀

  186. BTW, someone named Seymour Glass posted this on a thread on No Quarter:

    just had a nice Friday cocktail with a very famous democratic commentator, a netroot hero, an extremely close friend of Al Gore’s – and a guy who in his primary, I know chose to vote for Hillary, but at the time had nothing but praise for Obama.

    Because of his role in our dialog – he is also publicly uncommitted. He has defended Obama along with Clinton throughout this campaign and is savage in his attacks on McCain and the GOP.

    But after seeing the Reverend Father’s tape yesterday – he now says he doesnt think that he can vote for Obama. Knowing him, believe you me, this is shocking.

    This is a seriously brilliant man. Al Gore once told me that he thinks he is the smartest man he’s ever known (and think of the smart guys Al has met!) But he thinks that the priest’s rant says more about Obama’s circle than Wright does…that it opens us to having to ask serious questions about Obama’s Chicago base and his JUDGMENT! (And the way ALL of the Chicago Daley machine enables Farrakhan)

    He actually said – in a jest – that was meant to be serious too – that maybe the Right is correct calling Obama “the Manchurian Candidate”.

  187. “very famous democratic commentator, a netroot hero, an extremely close friend of Al Gore’s ”

    Who could that be?

  188. When did we get that comment from Donna? Was it today or this evening, when? If its tonight or today, sounds like the Obama crowd is getting nervous!

  189. mj, I was thinking Bob Somersby of the Daily Howler, who’s a friend of Gore’s. But maybe it’s someone on TV, which would eliminate Somersby.

  190. Well, it sure sounds like the storm clouds are gathering! I want them to count the votes, we’re Americans we count all the votes! The republicans do seem to find a few extra here and there, but at least they count them! LOL!

  191. I took a patient back a while ago, the first TV I past had FOX on bashing Obama. The second one I past was on CNN and they were talking to Scott McClellan! This will be one news making weekend! WOW! The battle of the networks, wonder how many folks watched each network. That might tell us who is most important on the mind of America!

  192. confloyd, it was reported that all cable news networks were reporting pflager tonight

    i personally seen it on cnn today

  193. That’s why I posted it ConFloyd. Donnabrazilledotcom.
    It’s dated 5.23, but I just saw it from a poster @ DKooks.

  194. I just can’t get past all the stuff in the last 2 days now

    1. pfleger (all networks)
    2. ear marks for pfleger (cnn & fox for sure)
    3. rezko conviction next week and the rezko house purchase (brought up tonight by commentator on hannity)
    4. BO senate run and how he eliminated all his competition (AC 360)
    5. Lynn sweet revealing new stuff tomorrow
    6. BO connection to a columbian professor (announcing on hannity to come out over the weekend)
    7. polls showing him loosing the general election if it were today
    8. RBC meeting tomorrow ( surprised they agreed to one in the first place)
    9. Auchwitz

    and????

  195. UNIVERSAL,

    BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT…

    you know me-native A/mexi-yes-we-can.

    i love it when people think i’m a docile mexican, i like it when they
    walk up on me all unexpected and think i’m humble.
    i always think of it as an opportunity.
    i love every flavor of americans, but like us all, i have
    a hurt in my soul…
    thats when i allow myself to vent that hurt, thats when i make it
    my mission to let that person know, i have emperical right to
    anywhere on this continent, and i take a back seat to no one.
    whether i talk funny, walk funny, have a funny name, or funny
    color skin, NO ONE TELLS US TO GO BACK HOME… NO ONE…
    my community can counsel me if they like, outsiders, NOT SO MUCH…

    UNIVERSAL,

    translate that…

  196. a very famous democratic commentator, a netroot hero, an extremely close friend of Al Gore’s – and a guy who in his primary, I know chose to vote for Hillary, but at the time had nothing but praise for Obama.

    who could it be?? now i wish i had paid more attention before now

  197. Does anyone else remember, when Dean was TV (FOX?), and said, that talking about Wright, would be considered racist? Link?

  198. “Come dawn on the fourth day of June, it will be high time to lay down arms, leaving hands free to pick up the olive branch and unite before going into battle.”

    Yes, I am going into battle alright. Against you and your slimy group that sre trying to take over the Democratic Party. It is a political fight to the death. If we don’t get you before Denver, we will in November. We will not fail!

  199. Confloyd
    Yes, it is going on in all parts of the country

    We had a Nation Women’s convention here today. A BBC spokes person got up and said they are going to start investigation some of the election results. Then she hinted at they were already doing it in NM. Then I nearly fell out f my chair. She said that it concerned AAs. I ran a caucus, and counted provisions up until the very end. Everyone voted at our caucus. The data base was defective, so they got provisions, and we counted everyone of those the following week. We bent over backwards to make sure we qualified as many as possible. (In fact the final challenge before the judges, the Obama people qualified more than the Clinton people, and she still won by over 1,000 votes).

    If there are irregularities, I think they are looking in the wrong camp. We disenfrancised a lot of voters here because no one paid attention to getting absentee ballots through the Party, and when Richardson dropped out, we only had a day to get them out. (I suspect that Obama’s camp had advanced notice, knowing now about our Judas).

    Chelsea was here, and she was a wonderful representative of her Mother. Such a great young lady. This campagin never ceases to amazing me. One younger couple sitting at the back, taled, and the young lady flat out said if Hillary was not at the top, she was not voting. This is a lot deeper than Polesi or Dean thinks. The people in the room told Chelsea how much they admired her mother, and how they wanted to go the convention.

    This women is the peoples choice, and we must go to the wall (taking Pelosi and Dean to the wall), and make sure they know we mean business. The rally tomorrow is only the start, but a good one.

  200. MJ,

    HOWLER’S somersby, should have been ours, even admin said so once…

    ADMIN,

    HOW SAY YOU?
    its your friend…

  201. birdgal I recall Coward Dean saying that

    I remember I burst out laughing at his idiocy

    What a lousy leader he has turned out to be.

    (sorry no link)

  202. Paul (Universal),

    What a terrible comment to be posted on your site. I’m so sorry. How bad can it get? I am so proud of this Big Pink community. We have been very careful, even when hopping mad, not to spout disgusting racist comments out of spite.

  203. Did anyone see Greta tonight she said that Lynn Sweet will have a breaking story tommorrow in the Tribune I think that is the paper that Lynn writes for but the story is to break tommorrow I heard her say that did any one else hear this. Tonight.

  204. Ok, so mostly unrelated to anything, the NYT has a story about a new twist on billboards, where they’re using technology (cameras) to amass information on the people looking at it; how long they look at a given ad, their demographics, etc.
    And in the story some people say it’s actually no big deal that they’re being ‘observed’ & cataloged without their consent.

    And this is the mentality you have to fight against when trying to explain the intricacies of the campaign, the manipulations of the Axelrods, and the media, etc, etc.. Is it any wonder?

    Don’t know why I’m telling you this….

  205. Marie,

    No. Didn’t hear it but I notice stories are beginning to ‘break’ with more frequency as this DNC meeting approaches.

  206. greta said that Lynn Sweet was back stage in the studio and Greta said she could not wait (for whatever it is)

    I hope this is the start of something new with a snowball effect.

  207. One of the reasons I like to read all the comments on big pink, is of coarse the colorful names we name people. Coward Dean, Nasty Pelosi, and of Bradzilla are just some of my favorits, mainly because it fit the person!
    Most I like this blog because we are like a family and a family with one goal in mind and that is to elect HRC! Everyone on her is nice. The bots don’t think so, but who cares what they think!
    Its going to get awful hot for the Bambi campaign this weekend! 🙂

  208. The more Donna Brazille opens her mouth, the more she alienates and irritates every Clinton supporter. Please, Donna, keep it up.

  209. WTF?!!!

    This Saturday NYT piece just reminds me way too much of the Drudge Headline that’s run for the past 48 hours where they’re trying to portray Hillary as having had one too many.

    Note the double entendres, like ‘lush’. MFers!!!

    Campaigning in Old San Juan

    By Mark Leibovich

    OLD SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton held a rally at a waterside plaza Friday night, arriving three hours late, speaking for nine minutes and dancing on stage for three minutes during a brief performance afterwards by local reggaeton artists, Rakim and Ken Y. (Note to self: Hillary Clinton is not in South Dakota anymore.)

    Mrs. Clinton’s flight from Newburgh, N.Y., was delayed for over two hours due to a problem with the runway. Her lateness thinned the crowd in Puerto Rico, but those who remained were raucous, bathed in spotlight, swinging to loud percussive beats and chanting “Heel-ary, Heel-ary” upon her arrival. Mrs. Clinton stood with local dignitaries on a stage under lush green “maria” trees, and next to a pina colada stand.

    She spoke slowly, without the benefit of a translator, touching on familiar themes (health care, veterans benefits) as well as local concerns (the right of Puerto Ricans to vote in all federal elections). After her dancing performance – more of a hybrid of bobbing and swaying, actually — the candidate was mobbed along a rope-line for about 20 minutes, flanked by secret service agents looking more nervous than usual.

    As of 10 p.m., Mrs. Clinton had not partaken of any pina coladas.

  210. That NYT story, btw, comes on the heels of this one yesterday:

    High Spirits for a Battler Who Is Low on Delegates
    By MARK LEIBOVICH

    MADISON, S.D. — She might be lacking in delegates, money and avenues to the Democratic nomination, but if nothing else, Hillary Rodham Clinton has clearly solidified her front-running position as the presidential candidate to have cocktails with.

    After an event Wednesday night in Rapid City, Senator Clinton added a notch to her belt on the drinking-war front when she strode to the back of her plane nursing a generous tumbler of amber-colored liquid. The substance was the subject of much debate among the press corps, but no one had the nerve to ask the candidate directly.

    Bourbon, it turned out. (Makers Mark, specified Jay Carson, a campaign spokesman.)

    In the course of her presidential campaign, Mrs. Clinton has bemoaned the triviality of elections, noting that they seem to devolve at times into a contest of whom America would rather have a beer with.

    “We tried that once and it didn’t work out so well,” she has said, referring to George W. Bush’s apparent victory in the drinking-buddy primary over Al Gore (never mind that Mr. Bush long ago stopped drinking).

    She said nothing, however, about the harder stuff. And, indeed, one of the amusing sidelights of Mrs. Clinton’s uphill struggles of recent months has been her evolving taste in liquid refreshment.

    Early in the campaign, it was not uncommon to see the former first lady daintily sipping cranberry juice or tea in the front of her campaign plane, or the occasional taste of wine. But in recent weeks, as she has burnished a connection with bar-stool Democrats, Mrs. Clinton has at times threatened to turn the race for the Democratic nomination into a drinking contest, with Senator Barack Obama stepping up to the plate to down Yuenglings in Pennsylvania.

    For Mrs. Clinton, it began in Indiana last month with the now semi-famous photo opportunity of her bellying up for some shots and a beer in a Crown Point tavern. There was a subsequent visit to the Makers Mark distillery in Kentucky this month, and a picture last weekend in Puerto Rico of Mrs. Clinton posing with a bottle of Presidente beer.

    And then there was Wednesday night’s airborne bourbon swig in front of reporters on her plane, with Mrs. Clinton holding court for the diminishing press pool accompanying her.

    Fernando Suarez, a reporter for CBS News who has been traveling with Mrs. Clinton’s campaign since October, asked her if she had ever been to Mount Rushmore before her visit there earlier in the day. Mrs. Clinton said she in fact had.

    “Before you were born,” she added, looking at Mr. Suarez, who is 29, and noting that “I did a lot of things before you were born.”

    She swirled the bourbon in her glass and nodded mischievously.

    “And thank god you weren’t around,” Mrs. Clinton continued. “Or I wouldn’t have enjoyed any of them.”

    The imagination tumbles.

  211. Wow, this is an excerpt from the mission statement of Obama’s church, listed right there on their website:

    “W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ.”

    There you have it. Their entire focus is on “the problem of the color line.”

  212. Blue: Nice to hear that she still has her sense of humor.

    Laney: Thanks for confirming that story about Coward Dean and Waffles.

  213. DONNA BRAZILE – READ MY TYPICAL WHITE BITTER LIPS:

    WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BHO. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY RECONCILIATION. THAT’S THE FINAL WORD.

  214. So much going on today, I don’t know where to start. I’ll just make some random comments.

    Father Pffffffffff… He’s so low, I won’t even bother to learn how to spell his name right. Besides, Pfffffffff fits him because if you say it a certain way it sounds like a big fart, which is what he is. I have no idea why this particular cockroach decided to crawl into the kitchen at this particular time. My best guess is that Waffles is so sure he’s the nominee that the Hillary people can’t hurt him now and it won’t hurt him in November because everyone will have forgotten about it by now. Plus, he sees the MSM (save a few Republican types like Hannity) as his own personal Pravda. I’m sure he’s surprised that Pfffffff has grown so many big, hairy legs so quickly. (Monsters tend to do that.) As for the MSM, I think some of them were afraid to attack Jeremiah the Bullfrog too vehemently because he’s black. But Pfffffff is white, so he’s fair game.
    BTW, does anyone else think that Pfffffff looks like a Kennedy?

    John McCain… I saw his reaction to Pffffff on Fox, and he really took the high road. Thumbs up to him!

    Nasty Pelousy… She can’t get anything done in Congress. What makes anyone think she’ll be effective tomorrow at the DNC pow-wow? I’m sure Hillary will send intelligent, well-versed representatives who are perfectly capable of dealing with these spineless, do-nothing wimps.

    Roe vs. Wade… Can’t scare me on that one. Look at all the Republican presidents we’ve had since 1973, yet Roe vs. Wade still hasn’t been overturned. Personally, I’m at that age where most women can still get pregnant but have difficulty doing so. I’m poor and can’t afford a child, but at my age if I get knocked up (highly unlikely but you never know) I’m gonna have it & keep it. And yeah, these young women who support Obambi will have to take care of themselves.

    Hillary’s drinking… Don’t we all wanna have a beer with this woman? Hey, it got Dubya elected.

    Gore’s unnamed smart friend… I have no idea who he is, but he is now our friend too.

    The blitz of bad Obama coverage… I told my mom I expect the Repubs, via the media, will be introducing us to a different Whacko Of The Week from now on, until Obama is out of contention. It seems like there’s an endless supply of questionable characters to choose from.

    Florida and Michigan… Looks like Hillary’s campaign is gonna play hardball. Good! I know some of our Michigan Dems are planning to push for full representation as well. Here’s a brief article:
    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080530/NEWS06/80530110/1001/NEWS

    One of these Dems is Senator Carl Levin, who in a different article said he’s willing to take this all the way to the convention. One of the surprise Dems who is pushing for 100 percent representation is Congresswoman Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, the mother of the scandal-plagued Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. Also, there’s been some buzz about how Obama has avoided visiting the city of Detroit (although he has campaigned in the suburbs and in other parts of the state– always in white areas) and some Detroiters are NOT happy about this. I think it would be VERY smart for Hillary to make a campaign stop in Detroit and meet with city leaders there before Obama gets up the nerve to do so.

  215. I just want to thank everyone for the support on the racist, insane statement I received from the YouTube person.

    Djia, thanks for posting that No Quarter article. Really appreciate it.

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    Donna Brazile

    There is no compromise, and no backing down. We — the majority of the party — are NOT backing Obama and we will, some of us very hesitatingly, be supporting John McCain if you and the party elites wrongly nominated Obama.

    We can talk unity and Kumbaya-ing all we want on November 5th and either Hillary Clinton or John McCain is our next president. Until and unless that occurs, there will be no unity. You and the rest of the non-majority of the party can go and start your egghead/AA ‘new party’ you were discussing.

    See you on the battlefield, Donna. For now, you are the opposition. I’m sure that later today you will solidify that position of infamy.

    We will defeat you — the coupists of the party — and Bambi, Donna.

    And for that, we, the majority of the party, are very unified.

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    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

    The Essential Obama videos:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_N1rqVo2W0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7wVUX9Ixo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k
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    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com
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    Join the 20,000+ in over 100 countries on 6 continents who have seen the truth about Barack Hussein Obama

    The Essential Obama videos:

    Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_N1rqVo2W0

    The Obama Cult (Ruby Ridge Remix)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7wVUX9Ixo

    The Obama Equation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pSFrHfMWs

  216. We are not racist. Just because we can not politically stand certain people of color, does not mean anything other than that. Most of us here are Democrats (or were until very recently) and as a group, dems tend to draw their support from more open minded people with regards to others different from themselves.

    If there is an intolerance issue among Democrats, it is with the other camp. You can test my hypotheses by posting on sites they control.

    As friends here migrate to the GOP if open civil war breaks out in the Party, I hope they can provide a positive influence to get Republicans to join the modern age and become more tolerant. (Note: many Republicans are very open minded. This is a generalization made for arguments sake only).

    Vote against Obama, but do it for the right reasons.

  217. Universal, you are among friends here. There is no way no to control trash that arises from ignorance and hate. It provides us more evidence that we are dealing with the dark and sinister forces. Keep up your very excellent work.

    Fear leads to anger
    Anger to hate
    And hate to the Dark Side

    Obi wan Kenobi

  218. You’re welcome Universal….. we’re family here so of course i was excited to see that article 😀

    Keep up the excellent work you’re doing !!

    all of us here (except the bots) appreciate you very much!

  219. ADMIN>…….I went to the new article……..but the page is all messed up for me and i can not submit a post at all

    its a great article by the way! 😀

  220. Universal: terrific job on the michelle obama queen of hate tape. Very artistic, wonderful song effects, stirring musical ensemble, fine leithmotiff motiff, and I do agree that “Mish is a peach. . . .”

    So was Ty Cobb. He was called the georgia peach and his strong suit was sliding into first base just so he could rip the knee of the first baseman with his spikes which he sharpened before every game.

  221. ADMIN………whaaaaaaa! i can’t post on the new thread 🙁

    seriously, the page is blue and white, things are out of place, and i can’t click the submit button

    sure hope you see this! I will go crazy tomorrow if i can’t participate

    well i will check things again in the morning……..thanks for all you do!!

  222. Well there goes Catholics for Obama, lol, Cardinal Francis George, the head of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago has stepped in and blasted Pfleger. Code for Catholics don’t back this SOB. Hillary had the Catholic vote before this, i think she just increased it.

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