Democrats For A Day

The “Democrats for a Day” also known as “Democrats for a Messiah” a.k.a. “The Suicide Cult” are coming to Washington. Like the Bush operatives in 2000 these “Democrats” are coming to Washington to prevent Florida votes from counting. And to prevent Michigan votes from counting.

Hillary supporters, fighting FOR the voting rights of Florida and Michigan will be in Washington too.

The Democratic National Committee is bracing itself for protests outside its Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting on Saturday in Washington, where the fates of the Florida and Michigan primaries could finally be decided.

Supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton are organizing to march and then gather on the street outside the panel’s meeting, scheduled for Saturday morning at a hotel in Northwest Washington.

“They’re coming up on buses, they’re taking the train, they’re Metro-ing, they’re coming up with friends,” said Allida Black, a professor at George Washington University and an event organizer. “We’re trying to flood it.”
[snip]

Ms. Black is behind the newly formed political action committee, WomenCount, which has been running full-page ads in newspapers for the last two weeks in support of Mrs. Clinton. She said the rally will be staged on a grassy area outside the Marriot – Wardman Park Hotel in the Woodley Park neighborhood in Washington, and that the group has been granted permission to assemble several blocks to the north near the National Zoo for a 10-minute march to the hotel. Jehmu Greene, a former president of Rock the Vote, will address the crowd at the rally.

Public tickets to observe the meeting have already been snapped up, said Stacie Paxton, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee. On Tuesday morning, the Democratic National Committee opened online pre-registration for public seating, and the several hundred tickets disappeared within minutes.

“There’s been overwhelming public interest,” Ms. Paxton said. (C-Span is also expected to broadcast the meeting.)

The members of the public who managed to reserve seats will be able to listen to the proceedings, but not participate. The committee will begin the meeting at 9:30 a.m., listen to oral arguments, and then debate amongst themselves after a lunch break.

On its Web site, the Democratic National Committee has advised the public that “in order to maintain the decorum of the meeting, banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind are strictly prohibited.”

If they cannot come to a decision this weekend, the committee refers all outstanding business to the party’s credentials committee.

Hillary Hater Roger Simon, writing propaganda for the Obama campaign’s views on the voting rights of Florida and Michigan, is wrong once again – the Democratic meltdown is NOT coming – the meltdown is here.

Those people who believe all problems have solutions may be unfamiliar with the inner workings of the Democratic Party.

On Saturday, the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee will try to solve a big problem, in order to avoid a huge problem in order to prevent a train wreck. [snip]

The rules committee will try to work out a compromise Saturday to try to seat those states in some form or fashion. It will be difficult, and the 30 members of the committee, who come from all over the nation, have been warned to keep their hotel rooms Saturday night, because the meeting may go into Sunday.

The huge problem is what happens if one side or another does not like the rules committee’s compromise. In that case, the controversy would go to the 186-member Credentials Committee, which will convene in July or August.

And if that happens, the party will be presented with a possible train wreck: Whatever the Credentials Committee decides will have to be voted on by the Convention in late August as its first order of business. And this could create what the media might love but the party dreads: a floor fight in Denver.

The growing revulsion with the Democratic? National Committee and its disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan voters is growing. The woman hating sexism of the Obama campaign aided and abetted by big name Democrats and Big Media is leading to a ‘Democrats on Strike’ November. Even the usually placid Joan Walsh is waking up.

The fix is in Joan.

At the earlier Rules Committee meeting where the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan took place, Florida Democratis presented a strong case. Florida Democrats argued that the Republican legislature selected the date of the primary and with the overwhelming control of the legislature by Republicans – Democrats were blameless in the selection of the primary date. The Rules Committee broke its own rules and stripped Florida of 100% of its delegates.

Today the Rules Committee has already decided that they will NOT seat Florida and Michigan at full strength.

A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to restore delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully seat the two states at the convention as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to a party analysis.

Party rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, Democratic National Committee lawyers wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday to consider the fate of convention delegates from the two states. The party is considering plans to restore at least some of the delegates to make sure the two important general election battlegrounds will be included at the nominating convention in August.

So the fix is in. The Democratic? National Committee’s Rules Committee will vote Saturday for a convention floor fight.

Senator Carl Levin of Michigan has already said:

U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, one of the architects of Michigan’s early primary, said he would support a convention-floor fight if Michigan’s full delegation isn’t seated – though Levin signaled he was less concerned about how many delegates are awarded to Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. [snip]

Levin said he supports taking the issue to the floor if Michigan isn’t fully seated. “If we’re punished in any way by the rules committee, I would be in favor of going to the floor,” he said. Levin said he might accept a delegate mix other than what Michigan has proposed, but vowed to fight any attempt to cut the total delegate count or reduce their voting power. He said he would fight regardless of whether Clinton has conceded the nomination — meaning Michigan could sit at the center of a divisive battle over the party’s nominee.

Hillary Clinton too has made clear her intentions:

In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton said she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far.

Asked whether she would support the states if they appeal an unfavorable rules committee decision to the convention floor, the former first lady replied:

Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this.”

“I will consult with Floridians and the voters in Michigan because it’s really their voices that are being ignored and their votes that are being discounted, and I’ll support whatever the elected officials and the voters in those two states want to do.”

Clinton Supporters Count Too will be in Washington, as will be many other groups and individuals.

Representative Corrine Brown (D-Florida) speaks for us.

Introducing Hillary in Boca Raton, Representative Brown said: “You are going to count us now, or don’t count on us later.”

We agree.

You are going to count us now, or don’t count on us later.”

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245 thoughts on “Democrats For A Day

  1. I am going to re-post this from the last thread:

    Our Day With the Clintons in Puerto Rico

    I want to share with all of you my glorious day yesterday with Hillary, Bill and Chelsea, here in Puerto Rico. That is how I will always think of it. My friend, a staunch Hillary supporter, who is a biochemist with a Ph.D. (mentioned for those who would assume we are all racist high-school drop-outs) and I went to the Memorial Day Ceremony in Old San Juan, in which Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton would be speaking. We parked the car a good distance away to avoid the traffic and hiked into Old San Juan — a cliff dropping down from our right to the ocean. My friend was wearing her Hillary t-shirt and carrying a sign that said “Puertorriqueños con Hillary”, and I was waving a Hillary flag that said “Hillary para Presidenta”.
    The Ceremony was held in front of a memorial monument with the names of all the Puerto Rican soldiers who have been killed in all the wars since World War 1 that America has fought in. My friend and I waited on a little hill under a date palm for the VIPs to arrive. The sunlight was in that golden stage and a slight breeze was blowing. Though not overly-conspicuous, the Secret Service were all around. I could imagine their eyes darting left and right behind their dark shades.
    When the photographers started running, we knew we would soon see the Clinton family appear. A cheer went up when we spotted them. Hillary was in her yellow jacket and was dazzlingly beautiful. Handsome Bill looked rather red — I hope he got red from having had a chance to lie by a pool in the sunshine! Chelsea looked radiant. They crossed an area between two fountains to the outdoor stage, and my friend and I had a perfect view of them on stage where they went to sit.
    There was a hush when Senator Clinton finally began to speak, after the rituals of the anthems, the military flag presentations, and the preliminary speeches. It was not a political event, but a somber and dignified Memorial Day ceremony. Her words were moving and inspiring. One couldn’t help but picture her as President of the United States.
    Afterwards, my friend and I went to the campaign headquarters, where the Clintons would be. There was a crush of people, and at first the Secret Service wouldn’t let anyone else go in, but we finally managed to get inside. First, Chelsea came out to greet people. She is such a lovely young woman. Then Bill came out. It was hard to get close, but my friend pulled me by the hand and wormed us through the crowd. I was holding a college yearbook that i was hoping I could get Bill to sign. My friend, who is more daring than me, said we should hold up the open book and yell, “Georgetown! Georgetown!”, which we did. You see, Bill Clinton and I were undergraduate students at Georgetown at the same time. We were both on the East Campus — he in Foreign Service and I in Linguistics. The page with his picture as class president finally caught his eye, and he autographed it for me, right above his name on the page where you see his signature as “William J. Clinton”. This time he signed “Bill Clinton”. Times have changed!
    My friend and I will have cherished memories of “our day with the Clintons”. It will be something to tell my future grandchildren about when I show them the college yearbook with the signature of the 42nd President of the United States.

  2. This OFF POINT but ADMIN have you checked out this????:

    http://www.lulu.com — Obama: Post Modern Coup.

    It’s a $5 download 294 pages, and truly amazing, and well research. It talks about Obama being a puppet of Zbig, bought and paid for by Ford Rockefeller, etc…and that he won’t win against Mac. A must read.

  3. ahhh, music to my ears. seems like sen. levin is having none of this bs. I HOPE HILLARY DOES NOT GIVE IN. BLOW IT UP IF SHE HAVE TO.

  4. Obama: Post Modern Coup…might be easier to click on the link on NOQuarter…home page…page down

  5. * Apply the rules fairly to all states that moved up their primaries.

    Did I miss a discussion about rulings for South Carolina and Nevada? Didn’t they move their primaries up?

  6. If anyone has money to donate to help the protests, I suggest hiring a helicopter to fly around and get good film of the crowds. Or at least have some experienced camera people with good equipment in surrounding skyscrapers to document the crowds and the action.

    Webcams?

    The trouble with protests is that the Corporate Media either ignores them or mis-reports them as failures.

  7. Obama’s latest gaffe: hypocrisy —

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    Obama Staffer’s Lobbying Work Runs Counter to Candidate’s Guidelines

    By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008; 4:54 PM

    The co-director of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign in Puerto Rico is a Washington-based federal lobbyist for the government of Puerto Rico.

    Ethics watchdogs said that the high-profile role of Francisco J. Pavía appears to contradict the Obama campaign’s ethics guidelines, which forbid federal lobbyists from working on staff. But Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Pavía is an “active volunteer” — not a paid staffer — and can hold the job without running afoul of the campaign’s rules.

    Obama and Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, have been trying to outdo each other in their repudiation of lobbyists and the “special interests” they represent.

    Obama has criticized McCain for enlisting “some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington” to run his presidential campaign. McCain has instituted tough new rules against lobbyists working for his campaign, which recently led to the resignation of five senior McCain advisers, including his top fundraiser, Tom Loeffler.

    Obama also has tried to impose high ethical standards by refusing to take contributions from federal lobbyists and by not allowing lobbyists on his payroll.

    But Obama’s rules also have been somewhat ambiguous. Some of his campaign’s volunteer policy advisers are lobbyists. And at least one lobbyist said he was asked to take a leave of absence from his firm before he volunteered for the campaign.

    Moses Mercado, a lobbyist for Ogilvy Government Relations in Washington, said in an interview that he was told by the Obama campaign that he must take an unpaid leave from his firm before working as a get-out-the-vote volunteer earlier this year.

    “It was pretty clear,” Mercado said. “It was so clear that I made sure I wrote a letter to our office manager saying that on these days I’m taking a leave of absence.”

    Later, after he said he received a call from Burton, Mercado said he had not been asked to take a leave.

    Pavía is not on leave from his law firm, Winston & Strawn, according to the managing partner of its Washington office, Thomas L. Mills.

    But he has been an important part of the Obama campaign in Puerto Rico, which holds its Democratic primary Sunday. Obama wrote to Puerto Rico’s State Elections Commission in March to designate Pavía and Andres Lopez as “our local representatives” to the commission. In May, Pavía and Lopez signed a posting on Obama’s campaign Web site that identified them as co-directors of the Puerto Rico effort and solicited volunteers.

    Pavía has been a registered lobbyist for various arms of the Puerto Rican government since 2001, according to disclosure reports filed with the U.S. Senate. His firm’s total compensation for lobbying for the commonwealth over that period was more than $3 million.

    For the first three months of this year alone, Winston & Strawn was paid $110,000 by the Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration, which is the government’s primary lobbying entity in Washington. Pavía is listed as the firm’s primary contact.

    Pavía did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    “It sounds like a conflict with Obama’s policy,” said Melanie Sloan of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “They need to provide an explanation.”

    Burton said that Pavía’s role with the campaign was permissible but that the rules were not airtight. “This is not a perfect solution to the influence of special interests in Washington,” he said. “But it is a symbol of the effort that Senator Obama is going to make to decrease the influence that the special interests do have.”

    Research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.

  8. What would Obama supporters sign say outside the DNC meeting?

    – Silence Their Votes
    – Rules are Rules
    – Change Their Votes
    – Only Count 48 States

    none of these are that powerful

  9. Admin,

    Thank you for the clip with Joan Walsh. I’m so glad she stood strong on her beliefs. 🙂

  10. http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/28/clinton-camp-puts-focus-on-florida-michigan/

    DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee Member Tina Flournoy, senior adviser Ickes and communications director Wolfson hold morning media call with reporters outlining the logistics of Saturday’s meeting.

    Aides stay coy on whether they’ll appeal if the ruling isn’t in their favor, Ickes says “that’s a bridge to cross when we come to that particular stream.”

    They also insist they’ll be satisfied only if full delegations are seated.

    Comes after DNC lawyers release memo saying the two states must lose at least half of their delegates for moving up their contests.

    Plus: Florida Democratic Party sends memo to the DNC outlining the diversity in their delegate selections for the convention. Read PDF here.

    http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/florida-democratic-party-memo_052808.pdf

  11. If thats the case, then SC,NH,Iowa and Nv, also need to lose half their delegates for moving there’s up.

  12. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Florida_responds_We_already_have_delegates.html

    In a memo of its own, the Florida Democratic Party insists it already has a delegation and that, not incidentally, it’s heavy on minorities.

    If Obama weren’t on track to be the first black president, this would be a hard case for Democrats to rebuff; in any case, it’s a strong card for Florida to play.

    The Florida Memo is at http://www.politico.com/static/PPM43_080528_floridademocraticpartymemo.html

  13. TODAY PUERTO RICAN SINGER RICKY MARTIN HAS ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON AND IS URGING FOR ALL TO GO OUT AND VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.

    http://www.primerahora.com/home

    yippeee that is good he has lotts and lotts of ties there
    they love him she just might have 3 million voters in PR

  14. I was not able to hear Lou Dobbs today, how did he go after Obama, and what did Lanny Davis have to say??

  15. A friend of my suggested that the way to fight the female sexism is to fight back with male sexism!

    I mentioned that Hillary would be slammed left and right for attempting to hurt wee little Bo.

  16. Brand new video I made about Michelle Obama:

    Michelle Obama: First Lady of Hate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pSFrHfMWs

    Jerk Keith Olbermann also gets his due comeuppance in the video.

    As bad as Bambi is — and he’s horrible — Michelle is infinitely worse.

    Imagine that woman as First Lady.

    :*(

    International embarrassment for America.

    .

    There’s a lot of good energy going on right now from the Clinton supporters/anti-Barack crowd. The next week or so should be a good period of time for us.

    We just have to keep working. We’ve come through so much insanity and Stalinism against us, but we’re not going to give up and we’re not going to stoop to the Bambians’ tactics.

    Nope. We’re going to make sure Bambi loses by virtue of perfectly legal and above-board means. No posting of Bambi supporters’ pictures and trying to get people fired. That’s the Bambians’ territory.

    Enjoy the video.

    😉

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    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com
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    The Essential Obama videos:

    Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_N1rqVo2W0

    The Obama Cult (Ruby Ridge Remix)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU7wVUX9Ixo

    The Obama Equation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxphNEtRr3k

  17. More bullsh** from the press about Hillary — this one’s a doozy, from a Politico fluff piece about Obama’s female VP options:

    “But according to interviews with Republicans in their home states, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill differ from Clinton by two important measures: They’ve managed to win elections without developing polarizing personas, and they’ve shied away from emphasizing gender in their campaigns.”
    —-

    Are we on Candid Camera here? Is this a joke? Does anyone know a damn thing about politics anymore? Of COURSE those women aren’t “polarizing” — they aren’t national figures and the Republicans haven’t been attacking them at all, let alone for 15 years. The GOP national presidential attack machine is the political equivalent of Darth Vader, in case anyone at Politico doesn’t know. And as far as “not mentioning” gender in their campaigns, that is an outright lie. It’s simply not even remotely true.

  18. BERKLEY,

    well i thought they got elected, because core democrats, put them there, so they could represent, us core democrats,
    doing ‘the peoples business’…

    but if we gave it to em, so easily, we can sure as hell take away, if they cant do what we hired em for…

  19. birdgal wrote:

    Informed: yes, NV and SC moved their primaries up. I think, NH did too.
    —–

    Yeah, I remember reading that on this site, too, about a week ago. I think Iowa moved up, too. It’s awfully fishy that at the time that all 4 of those states moved without being punished by the DNC, the Obama campaign thought they’d win all 4. Contrast that to Michigan and Florida, where Obama knew he didn’t have a prayer. Cover-up, indeed.

  20. May 28th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    Berkeley Vox Says:

    “….They’ve managed to win elections without developing polarizing personas, and they’ve shied away from emphasizing gender in their campaigns.”

    *
    Show me someone who has no enemies and I’ll show you someone who has never actually DONE anything. If you actually get something done, you’re sure to piss people off.

    Anyway, from what I’ve seen – up close and personal – Hillary is a fine, caring, strong person whose record shows her ability to win over people and work toward big goals. The so-called “polarization” consists mostly of jealous people going around saying how polarizing she is. Repeat something enough and it becomes accepted conventional wisdom. And, the only divisive one in this race is Obama – he has divided the country again. Let’s each propogate “Divisive Obama” ten times in ten different places. And as for polarizing, wait to see Obama in the GE – you ain’t seen nothin yet!

  21. Berkeley, Birdgal, Admin:

    I don’t understand why South Carolina, Nevada (and Iowa, NH, too) aren’t key talking/negotiation points on the agenda? Don’t the rules state that the DNC can/may/must take away at least 50% of their delegates?

  22. God, I love Ickes and Wolfson. Always smart, always thinking two moves ahead, and always on message. This has been a hell of a tough campaign but they’ve shone brightly.

    My dream scenario for Saturday:
    1) BIG protests and thorough and detailed news coverage
    2) Obama’s campaign makes a wimpy offer, where they only count some of the votes
    3) Clinton campaign takes the moral high ground and swiftly rejects the “back room deal” floated by Obama
    4) No matter what the committee decides, if it isn’t equal to “count every vote,” then the Clinton campaign announces that it will appeal at the convention
    5) We book our tickets to Denver

    😀

  23. Joan was part of that hate Clinton crowd. She was/is a fixture on Dan Abram’s show. If she had spoken her mind like she just did way back in January, perhaps things would not be in such a sorry state.

    These women are just now waking up? Where were they before? They allowed the misogynist to chew the Clintons up.

  24. Informed in Illinois Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
    Berkeley, Birdgal, Admin:

    I don’t understand why South Carolina, Nevada (and Iowa, NH, too) aren’t key talking/negotiation points on the agenda? Don’t the rules state that the DNC can/may/must take away at least 50% of their delegates?

    Ahh, that’s the rub. The DNC was trying to front load the primaries to waffles benefit.

  25. BTW, who is the fuckwar opposite of Joan? Why should HRC have to apologize to anyone, let alone that dumbass Obama? I really think that AA supporters of BO are trying to start a race war.

  26. I sincerely hope that someone writes an honest expose of this primary season when all is said and done.

    I hope it becomes a best seller, a movie smash, and that it tarnishes the DNC, Obama, and his friends permanently.

    I know that sounds vengeful, but that’s how I feel.

  27. Informed:

    Yeah I’ve been thinking the same thing. My hunch, based on nothing, is that I think those will be talking points, but the Clinton campaign is “saving” making them an issue until the spotlight is firmly on the FL/MI issue, generally? But you’re right: the fact that FOUR OTHER STATES moved their primaries, without any penalty, is a huge point in our favor. The Obama campaign will try and argue that those states moved their primaries under different circumstances, and the moves were coordinated with DNC approval, etc., but that dog won’t hunt — it’s such a nerdy/inside-baseball style argument that no rational-minded Joe Everyday voter is going to have any patience for it.

  28. JanH, not vengeful at all. I’m about as angry as any person can get at this point. If this continues in Nov, I’m going to vote GOP down party line. To hell with the DNC and the so-called “progressives.”

  29. okay, posting larry johnson here, if this isnt just funny, what is?
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    By Larry Johnson

    Which is it Barack? Are you a moron or a liar? Or both? On Monday you claimed your Uncle (not further identified) help liberate Auschwitz. Since it was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz, that left people wondering who your communist uncle was? So your campaign scrambled to get out the word–No, he meant his great uncle and he meant Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz. There, that settled it.

    So I have one question–how in the hell did your uncle get to Buchenwald. Was he in a row boat? Looks like Great Uncle Charlie was in the Navy. Service records for Charles Payne show

    Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4

    UPDATE 3 Here’s what we know for sure:

    1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.

    2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.

    3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.

    4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.

    4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.

    Still working to get final confirmation. (Is it asking for too much to get a straight, accurate answer from the Obama campaign? I guess so.)

    UPDATED: Looks like initial reports on the History Channel blog are wrong on this point. Charles W. Payne was not Barack’s Uncle Charlie:

    UPDATE II: Well, the initial claim that Charles T. Payne was in the Army may not be true appears to be more bullshit. An Obama supporter is claiming that there is a Charles T. Payne who was in the Army. First problem, a review of records for Kansas shows no such person. Second, this unit was not part of any liberation of Buchenwald.

  30. Berkeley: I sure hope you’re right!

    Bird:
    “Ahh, that’s the rub. The DNC was trying to front load the primaries to waffles benefit.”

    Well, that is the obvious angle that hasn’t been covered – that should about finish waffles – and his puppet master, Howard Dean – in Florida and Michigan!

  31. SKM: that is hilarious – so, which was the uncle in the attic – swabbie or grunt?

  32. birdgal, I wonder if the women in Marin have had a change of heart. In the last month or so, the attacks on HRC has become more virulent and the misogyny increasingly blatant. I wonder if these women will still support Pelosi. She’s very popular, but I haven’t seen any recent polls.

    As for me, I’m done with Pelosi and every backstabbing Dem.

  33. skmf12, that’s hilarious. Know what’s fishy to me? Remember, very early on in the campaign, when people were wondering why there had been ZERO press on Obama’s family and friends? Usually when someone runs for President, they have millions of old friends and relatives, crawling out of the woodwork, to tell the world how great Candidate A is, etc. None of that really happened with Obama. Did he not have many friends? Was he a loner? Did he not keep in touch with family members? Those were the whispers.

    Then we heard about a big geneological study that was done on Obama’s family history. Turned out he was even a distant cousin of Dick Cheney’s. Why were these studies done? Reports said they were done by independent groups, and done for all candidates, but something seemed odd.

    Now, we have Obama claiming that he’s related to apparently fictitious “family members.” Why is that? Who is Charles Payne Is Obama trying to locate distant relatives that he can parade as heroic figures?

  34. I am ready for Denver, we can all meet up there 🙂 🙂

    It looks as if that is where we are headed, the fix is so obviously in for the the delegate meeting on the 31st.

    there was nothing fair or honest about this process from the outset.

    It boggles the mind. First the nutcakes stole the repug party. Now they are stealing the dems.

    Finatacism looks the same to me from the right or from the left.

  35. I early voted yesterday, and I voted against our Lady Senator who endorsed Obama. She got 3 no votes.

    Voting is power.

  36. berkley vox,

    yeah your right, and to be honest, I NEVER BELIEVED IN THAT WHOLE DICK CHENEY/OBAMA THING….

    could be he spent all his life in ‘schools and boarding houses’, could be the white side of the family liked him better in schools…
    could be, he decided best way to get even, was to get to the top…
    could be he had alot in common with wright and michelle…
    maybe he never had much knowlege of his family…

    lucky for us he never took a gun to school huh?

  37. Looks like obama isn’t the only thing that is empty……..looks like his entire family is a blank slate waiting to be written upon LOL!!

    oh and we have heard about and from BO friends……… Wright,Ayers,Dorne,Farrakhan,Frank, the entire chicago combine,
    Rezko,Auchi, etc etc…..

  38. Man, oh, man. BO has a problem with his Uncle Jeremiah Wright who he hides in the basement and Uncle Charlie in the attic.

  39. The only thing I ever read about his family was in a recent Vanity Fair article. You can all look it up at vanityfair.com. They spoke about the gated community he lived in, in Washington state?? I think and then they moved to HA. His grandma was a banker, they were loaded. Grandpa was…uh…listless.

  40. HEY BAMBI………..DUCK!!!! it’s beginning to rain *crap* on your parade!! 😀

    May 28, 2008
    Categories: McCain

    McCain hits Obama for not holding hearings

    McCain, holding a town hall meeting in that big little city, Reno, Nev., opens his remarks today with what will surely be a recurring talk point against Obama but one that I’ve not heard the candidate himself use much:

    Senator Obama is the chairman of an important subcommittee that has the oversight of what’s going on in Afghanistan. He has not held one single hearing on Afghanistan where young Americans are in harm’s way as we speak. My friends, this is about leadership.

    Actually, Obama’s Foreign Relations subcommittee on European Affairs does not have jurisdiction over Afghanistan (that would be the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs). But Obama still could have held hearings as it related to, say, the role of NATO in Afghanistan.

    Whether the attack it’s fine-tuned or not, that Obama did not hold a single hearing from his subcommittee perch is sure to be used by the GOP as a he’s-all-talk talking point.

  41. Hillary’s Letter and Supporting Documents to Superdelegates

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/hillarys-letter-and-supporting-documents-to-superdelegates/#more-2766

    there is other supporting documents posted as well on larry’s blog……but here is the letter….please be sure to go read the rest of this and other articles……he has a great site!

    HERE IS THE ACTUAL LETTER SENT TO DELEGATES:

    The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.

    At this point, we do not yet have a nominee – and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our party’s nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief.

    Voters in every state have made it clear that they want to be heard and counted as part of this historic race. And as we reach the end of the primary season, more than 17 million people have supported me in my effort to become the Democratic nominee – more people than have ever voted for a potential nominee in the history of our party. In the past two weeks alone, record numbers of voters participated in the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries. And with 40 and 35 point margins of victory, it is clear that even when voters are repeatedly told this race is over, they’re not giving up on me – and I am not giving up on them either.

    After seven years of feeling invisible to the Bush administration, Americans are seeking a President who is strong, experienced, and ready to take on our toughest challenges, from serving as Commander in Chief and ending the war in Iraq to turning our economy around. They want a President who shares their core beliefs about our country and its future and “gets” what they go through every day to care for their families, pay the bills and try to put something away for the future.

    We simply cannot afford another four – or eight – years in the wilderness. That is why, everywhere I go, people come up to me, grip my hand or arm, and urge me to keep on running. That is why I continue in this race: because I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President – and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.

    Recent polls and election results show a clear trend: I am ahead in states that have been critical to victory in the past two elections. From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond, the results of recent primaries in battleground states show that I have strong support from the regions and demographics Democrats need to take back the White House. I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio. I’ve enclosed a detailed analysis of recent electoral and polling information, and I hope you will take some time to review it carefully.

    In addition, when the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries. Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee – the one who would be the best President and Commander in Chief, who has the greatest support from members of our party, and who is most likely to win in November. So I hope you will consider not just the strength of the coalition backing me, but also that more people will have cast their votes for me.

    I am in this race for them — for all the men and women I meet who wake up every day and work hard to make a difference for their families. People who deserve a shot at the American dream – the chance to save for college, a home and retirement; to afford quality health care for their families; to fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left over each month.

    I am in this race for all the women in their nineties who’ve told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House. For all the women who are energized for the first time, and voting for the first time. For the little girls – and little boys – whose parents lift them onto their shoulders at our rallies, and whisper in their ears, “See, you can be anything you want to be.” As the first woman ever to be in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to them.

    Finally, I am in this race because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Senator Obama and I both make our case – and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard – everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

    In the end, I am committed to unifying this party. What Senator Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences; and no matter who wins this nomination, I will do everything I can to bring us together and move us forward.

    But at this point, neither of us has crossed the finish line. I hope that in the time remaining, you will think hard about which candidate has the best chance to lead our party to victory in November. I hope you will consider the results of the recent primaries and what they tell us about the mindset of voters in the key battleground states. I hope you will think about the broad and winning coalition of voters I have built. And most important, I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of our party, and lead our country forward into this new century.

  42. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/hillary_agonistes_dont_count_e.html

    During the 2000 election controversy, Democrats brayed “count every vote” in Florida and discounted George Bush’s eventual victory in the Electoral College because he lost the national popular vote to Al Gore. Hillary Clinton has to yearn for the return of that Democratic Party of yore.

    HBO just aired a docudrama — Recount, starring Kevin Spacey as a heroic Gore spokesman — that romanticizes the Democratic fight to count votes in Florida, even as Democrats have excluded Florida’s votes in their entirety from their nomination process this year and are eager to nominate the candidate, Barack Obama, who might end up with fewer popular votes than his challenger.

    —————-

    Well, the Democrats’ attachment to the unadulterated popular will has gone the way of the hanging chad. Suddenly, Democrats are sticklers for rules. Florida and Michigan became non-states for moving their primary contests up in the calendar in defiance of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. A mere matter of timing has been enough to “disenfranchise” — to use the 2000 argot — 2.3 million Democratic voters.

    It’s easy to imagine what Democrats circa 2000 would say about this. Denying the votes in Florida and Michigan would betray the “generation of patriots who risked and sacrificed on the battlefield” in the American Revolution, and be tantamount to “the poll taxes and literacy tests, violence and intimidation, dogs and tear gas” of the Jim Crow era. Counting the votes — ensuring “that every voice is heard and every vote is counted” — would be a cause worthy of the abolitionists and suffragists.

    Of course, Hillary Clinton has said all of these things. But instead of being hailed as a crusader for justice, she has been greeted with impatient eye-rolls from most of the Democratic establishment and the press who can’t believe Clinton’s temerity in insisting on counting Florida and Michigan. What has gotten into the once-admirable junior senator from New York?

  43. CJ Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
    TODAY PUERTO RICAN SINGER RICKY MARTIN HAS ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON AND IS URGING FOR ALL TO GO OUT AND VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.

    http://www.primerahora.com/home
    ———————————————-
    Great news! This can only help us.

  44. I heard that this person from Puerto Rico superdelegate switched from Obama to Hillary, true?

  45. Djia, isn’t it surreal to watch Obama getting hammered by McCain? Hillary raised almost all of these issues very delicately, so as not to go “nuclear” on Obama, but her point at the time was to subtly indicate to the press and public that Obama has SO MANY weaknesses that McCain will be able to exploit. Needless to say, as we all now know, the press has been infatuated with Obama’s telegenic smile and soaring speeches and has given him a free pass on all these shortcomings.

    Failing to hold a single hearing on Afghanistan borders on gross negligence.

  46. BV…….. YEP 😀

    by the way…that article was on Politico today

    so where were they when Hillary brought this up???

    but i am happy to see it being reported now 😀

  47. Justmein….. yep it’s true

    I don’t remember his name, he’s a SD from the virgin islands, was once on hillarys side and switched to obama
    and now has switched back to hillary

  48. skmf12

    The truth about his white family is even worse. See Steve Sailer’s blog where he is pulling facts out of the verbiage of Obama’s book/s.

    At age 10 he went to live with his white grandparents in Hawaii. His grandmother was a bank executive. They sent him to a fancy private school, then to Ivy League.

    The thing is, they were White Guilt Liberals and that’s how Obama learned to manipulate White Guilt Liberals.
    h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html
    In this entry he quotes Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama). Obama was raised by these white grandparents from age 10-college.

  49. they all should be switching back if they want there country to go forward just like we all do..we need the future. and no liar for President

  50. Lame Joke:

    What did an Obama supporter say to a Hillary supporter:

    Hey, I need solutions, can you help me with coming up with solutions to this problem I am having? I need to change my lightbulb, but I don’t know how to change it?

  51. Admin: Could you find out if C-SPAN will be airing the DNC meeting on Saturday? Thanks!
    I think it would be intresting to see (I know, I have no life!)

  52. JAS, today’s article on the front page has this:

    “There’s been overwhelming public interest,” Ms. Paxton said. (C-Span is also expected to broadcast the meeting.)

  53. ADMIN, ALL,

    I don’t know how to link this video. It’s on(barf) ABC online and is a clip called “Carville’s Take on Clinton.”

    I’m not thrilled with everything he said but he slams Waffles for the RFK BS and implies it’s a deal-breaker in terms of party unity. He also makes a strong case for HRC as the popular vote winner.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4945346

  54. POSTED WITH LAST TWO HOURS: LARRY SINCLAIR ARRIVED IN WASHINGTON DC TO CONFRONT DNC AND MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. ON GRETAWIRE AND REALCLEARPOLITICS. ARTICLE FOR -47, AGAINST -27. OBAMA SUPPORTER TRYING TO STOP ARTICLE AND RCP DELETE, BUT SO FAR NOT DELETED. GO TO “LARRY SINCLAIR OBAMA DRUG SCANDAL” AND SEE LS STANDING IN FRON OF CAPITOL. ALSO, PASTOR MANNING RUMORED TO ALSO BE COMING OUT WITH PROOF. CHECK IT OUT.

  55. I do not know what will happen at the dnc meeting. Maybe some of you do but I dont. The only thing I have right now is suspicion and it is the same as yours. One of the imponderables here is the impact of the lawsuit on these proceedings. It is intended to give the Florida delegation leverage and it does especially if it survives summary judgment. So the dnc legal team responds with a memo saying half the delegates is the most you will get in Florida and that is done to create counter leverage. These starting positions could produce movement toward some kind of compromise or impasse. If I were advising the DNC I would be telling them they overreacted when they stripped all the delegates from Florida given the recommended penalty set for the their own regulations, but they have a right to impose some penalty. But I would also caution them that it is high risk to let this dispute go to the convention because of the media, worse to leave it as a festering sore for the general election, so that Crist and McCain can filet them alive. If I were Hillary I would have Harold put on the great case I am sure he will, have Howard continue to maintain that this is a civil rights issue and there should have been a revote and the dnc agreed but they could not get bambi to the alter (no not that dizzy lizzy johnathan) Then, I would listen closely to their response for any kind of a coded message and whisper in someones ear that famous phrase of Napoleon: ” Never interrupt an enemy in the midddle of a mistake. A few days ago I was thinking like a good bolshevik that no deal might be best for us-that is usually a good bargaining position to have- and then I read an article by the estimable craig crawford saying the same thing which confirmed my long held suspicion that he is good. What an issue to be able to wrap youself in god, mother, apple pie count all the votes and remember boston harbor. Go suck on that one poor little bambi you are so cute so sincere so honest for a dirty chicago politican. Its Wednesday and that is a good a time as any for some kind of meaningless speech on some irrelevant topic so we can alll swoon.

  56. curiosity,

    glad I saw you before I turn in for the night!

    Wanted to let you know I was blown away a couple of threads back about your take on the ‘education’ system.

    Would love to continue that discussion. Are you registered at hillbilly’s?

    I’ll check back tomorrow for your response.

  57. basil9:

    Yes I am. At the expense of sounding like Lou Dobbs (who I agree with 99% of the time) our education system in this country is in dire straits. The youth are being exploited by big business as well. Standardized testing is only to make other people rich, put feathers in caps, while millions of uneducated young people are no more equipped to gain employment and compete in a global market than our grandparents a century ago. Lack of discipline without strong adinistrative support to “tighten up” the ship – leave children running the schools. I’m sure you saw the disgusting prom videos recently on Bill O’Reilly. It’s not just there – it’s everywhere. Unspeakable acts in classrooms, cafeterias, buses. We are losing generations of young men and women, who then “act out” because they know they are so deficient in math, science, language, and tecnology. Our entire system needs a complete overhaul. Yesterday.

  58. I saw the carvelle interview. I believe him when he says the fight will go on after June 3, especially if the dnc fails to resolve the issue on Michigan and Florida. I doubt he is being candid however when he says he believes bambi can win in november. I think that was just a general plug for the demoratic party, he does not know what the republicans really have, and I was struck by his animus on the rfk comment. And her supporters have their own agenda where obama is concerned. Did no learn much myself.

  59. We will be going to the RBC meeting protest rally, leaving tomorrow. We will take a lot of photos; took 99 at the DNC protest rally.I will try to take the camcorder, a little hesitant to do so though because I may not be able to keep up with it. The bus will leave Orlando tomorrow pm.

    Ricky Martin endorses HRC, great!!!!

    Look for me in the news, I will be wearing a red hat, round red hat with a matching band that makes a bow in the back, and you probably can’t miss my white hair.

    And, somebody please tape the protest rally [C-SPANJ?] and post it here.

    IF THE RULES ARE THE RULES, ROSE PARKS WOULD STILL BE SEATED AT THE BACK OF THE BUS!!!
    I am considering making some paper thingys and pinning them to my shirt; and label them “hanging chad” since I am from Florida. LOL

  60. Admin, if you would send me an email, I would share the photos of the RBC rally with this site……………because you are one of the last bastions for HILLARY HUGGERS. You have my email address right?

    It will June 1st before we get back home……….early in the am. I will check the email as soon as possible upon my return.

  61. In that Joan Walsh video, has anyone pointed out that Tweety made a bold face lie and said that no one is telling Hillary to get out of the race. That other guy – the dumb weasel – said he wasn’t pushing HRC out either.

    How can people just lie like that and get away with it? Joan pointed out KO, but failed to call Tweety out on his lies.

  62. Article growing on RCP re: “Make Some Noise” about Larry Sinclair now in Washington D.C. to confront DNC and make announcement. Counter article up to take down article about Larry with threat “or find another job.” Now threatening editor on RCP in typical Obama strong-arm fashion. Found another thing interesting. Original article ordering editor to remove was signed “jdunn.” Any relation to Idunn? Just a question.

  63. curiosity,

    where is the article? i couldn’t find it.

    And I saw you’re on hillbillies. Will email you tomorrow.

  64. Emkay, aka Emmy

    Hey there! Posted here about 4pm when I read your “Clinton Contact Memory Post” Then blogged over to a more “mundane State Platform Committee final draft deal.” and am hoping that I didn’t send what I was saying to you to our Dem State Platform Sec’y..LOL, cause I can’t find my how-jealous-am-I-that you live, love and campaign in PR” blog here.

    Anyway, I do remember saying to someone here this afternoon, the reason I purposely used Emkay was to evoke pre-Iowa Caucus memories (still reading Hawk? Are you an Iowan for the summer?)

    Sometimes we do get a payoff for the hard work. I propose that you me Terrondt Hawk OkieAtty HillLandRocks the New York City Ladies Tex 4 Hill all the Arlington, VA and MD folks who came to the frozen tundra here in January our NewHam sheroes and heroes our Texas for a week observers and lawyers our WA watchdogs…in short, any warrior with stories to tell, pictures to share, tears and hugs to exchange–that we all gather in PR in Jan 2010 (especially now that we have someone to salsa with there!)

    That is not forgetting that those of us who cannot afford an innagural visit to DC in Jan 2009 forget that we have a date with OkieAtty and her favorite take-out BBQ, sittin and sippin and steamin and tellin tales in our girl’s state of Arkansas in one of the many best tush-pleasin, heart warming Hot Springs known to Dems.

    We are jealous of you Emmy, but proud of your work and loyalty and connection to all of us.

    To all who share pictures and first person accounts and office supplies and left over yard signs and stickers and buttons and money and love…
    what a great bunch of people.

    **************

    I, also, got a DNC personal note from Tom McMahon today. Sometimes, just can’t help sharing my personal reply;

    Dear Tom,

    I said it before, to both you and Howard, anything I would give to the DNC will go straight to Senator Clinton: first, because the DNC is dragging it’s collective feet on a fair settlement of the Florida & Michigan delegate issues because that is what Senator Obama wants, and second, because Howard should have self-prescribed a Rx of spine supplement and taken a leadership position with the Rules Committee, Donna, his friend Mr. Dawson, old line liberals, Leader Pelosi and all candidates long ago.

    I am from Iowa, the Register is my Sunday paper and my first on-line source, so I am not ignorant as to the reason Senator Obama was afraid of the Michigan primary long before the Iowa Caucus was held, and how the no-campaign pledges were a sop to both Iowa and NH Democratic party leaders. I am also an active voter and party member, moving from NC (No Choice) to the Democratic Party (a member of the State Platform Committee) and very aware of the persistent “first in the country” issues.

    I also abide by the the middle class rule “if you are the one who made the mess, you are the one who needs to clean it up.”

    Tom, you and other DNC leaders need to get out your mops and pails and get busy.

    By the way, the Hillary campaign is offering a “double your money” deal this week for donations. Your request today was perfect timing.

    Sincerely,

    Emjay

    On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Tom McMahon

  65. Got another email request for $$$$ from the Democrats. Normally I just email them back with a brief “NO DONATIONS WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”, but today I sent them this little message:

    “If you want my money, here are some things the Democratic Party can do:

    1. Treat Michigan and Florida voters fairly at your DNC pow-wow on May 31st. I’ve said this before, but I will say it again– NO DONATIONS WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!

    2. Stop pressuring Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race. Have you seen the recent polls showing that she would handily beat John McCain in the general election, while Obama (who I will NOT vote for) doesn’t even come close? “

  66. Why Are Democrats Afraid of Florida?
    By Craig Crawford

    Myths abound in the latest Florida vote-count fight. For starters, this is not the fault of state Democratic leaders. The Republican-controlled state legislature, directed by its GOP governor Charlie Crist, created this situation.

    Sure, Florida Democrats did not vigorously oppose the Republican plan to move up Florida’s primary on the calendar, defying the rules in both parties. Instead, they negotiated a deal to ensure a paper trail in all future balloting.

    And for their efforts in leveraging a position of weakness to gain something helpful for future elections, Florida Democrats get hammered by a Democratic National Committee intent on diminishing the state’s influence in naming a presidential nominee.

    Why did national Democrats fear Florida so much? It is, after all, the nation’s largest swing state.

  67. That Carville interview was revealing, I thought. He pointed out – no fewer than 6 times – how rotten & il-advised the BO stunt was in trying to exploit Hill’s RFK remark.
    Though he says at one point, “It was hurtful…to me”, I got the distinct impression he was saying (it was hurtful to Hillary?) it was something that really solidified feelings with regard to how the rest of this fight is to be waged.

    Lotsa shit going on, it seems.

    Anyone hear anything on that Gore event 5.31?

  68. Thanks, Emjay. I wish I could do more here, but phone-banking and house-to-house GOTV isn’t done here. There’s a decent article in time.com that describes politicking in PR.
    There are Obama campaign people saying on the radio that Puerto Ricans like to bet on the winners, not on the almost-winners (casi-ganadores), and that BO has the nomination sewn up, so he should get most of the votes here. They sure know how to pretend he’s winning.
    Since most people in PR don’t really keep up with U.S. politics, many of those who will vote will base their vote on ignorant reasons. I’m praying that a lot of people vote. Many people aren’t even aware of the primary on Sunday. I’m pretty sure Hillary will win, but I don’t expect the turn-out found in local elections.
    Endorsements do mean a

  69. Sorry, since I can’t see what i’m writing after a point, I forgot where i was. I was saying that endorsements do matter here, since the endorsers are well-known.
    Voting for Hillary because Ricky Martin backs her is not a great reason in my book, but hey, as long as it’s a vote for Hillary!
    If the media makes a big deal about Sunday, that will help voter turn-out. But local politics will always trump U.S. politics.
    Hillary is coming back, which is great. Visibility is important. Media attention is important. I am calling my friends to encourage them to vote.
    I will be a Hillary poll-watcher at the school where I vote. Tomorrow there is a meeting at HQ about it.

  70. jen,

    during the 2000 millenium new year celebration, i flew to paris for one night only, so i could see ricky martin play the eiffel tower…
    as it turned out, i never made it out of the champs elysee, cause there were one and a half million people there, and i almost bit it in a human stampede, but thats another story…

    i like rickey martin 🙂
    and he likes hillary…

  71. United

    I finally got my system back up and what do I see? You losing it over Rickey…

    Love the fact that you are passionate

  72. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/28/211834/452

    The Famous DNC “Waivers” For the 4 Early States

    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:18:34 PM EST

    The defense you will hear to my strict DNC rules argument is that the early states received “waivers.” In fact, they did not until AFTER they had scheduled their primaries in violation of DNC Rule 11, which was never formally amended. According to the DNC Memo of today, this makes these “waivers” against the DNC Rules. But worse than that, there is nothing in the circumstances of those waivers that are in any way different from the Florida situation. In short, the rules are rules for the DNC, except when they are not. Wayne Barrett told the story well:

    The national party had tried – before New Hampshire’s case wound up on its docket – to leave the impression that zero tolerance was automatic once violations of the schedule occur. Back in June, a DNC spokeswoman, for example, told the Associated Press that neither Dean nor the Rules Committee “has the power to waive the rules for any state,” explaining that “these rules can be changed only by the full DNC.” Yet a few months later, on the same day that the Rules Committee stripped Michigan of its delegates, it waived the rules for New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina, each of which had also moved up their primaries.

    (Emphasis supplied.) The DNC Memo issued today has no explanation for how this could possibly comply with the rules while it stands by its position that the RBC can not seat the full delegations for Florida and Michigan on May 31. Why can’t a “waiver” be issued on May 31? This is an unanswerable question for the DNC.

    Barrett further wrote:

    Though Dawson and others on Rules [and Bylaws Committee] now say, as they did in recent interviews, that states whose contests were always scheduled before February 5 were free to shift dates without sanction, that’s not what the delegate selection rules adopted in 2006 say. Those rules provided an automatic 50 percent loss of delegates for any state party that moved its contest to any day “prior to or after the dates” spelled out by the DNC.

    And indeed, the DNC Memo now says that such waivers were not allowable. That is the problem with the DNC Memo. It puts Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina in violation of Rule 11. It is a position that simply is untenable.

    And here from the horse’s mouth, were the rules changing before our very eyes:

    Rules powerhouse Donna Brazile said she would “grudgingly support the waiver,” warning New Hampshire shortly before the December committee vote that “the days of ‘privilege’ may end soon.”

    Not only did “first-primary-or-die” New Hampshire switch from January 22 to January 8, it moved ahead of Nevada, whose January 19 caucus had been deliberately scheduled by the DNC to precede New Hampshire’s. But New Hampshire’s Democrats got a DNC waiver because their back was up against the wall, due to a decision by the South Carolina Republican Party to move its primary up to January 19.

    But there was a good reason, SUPPOSEDLY, for allowing New Hampshire to move up, the Republicans in South Carolina had deliberately provoked a crisis. Sound familiar? Barrett writes:

    The waiver was, in other words, a reasonable response to a Republican provocation. What’s unclear is why one Republican provocation is more equal than another.

    (Emphasis supplied.) Precisely! The stripping of Florida’s delegates is simply unconscionable and unsupportable. The allowance of New Hampshire to move up inflamed Michigan who then also moved up their primary. To wit, this entire travesty was a result of Donna Brazile’s incompetence and her inability to actually act consistently. There is no basis, none, for the DMC to hold to its position of not seating the Florida and Michigan delegations. Barrett again:

    While the DNC implicitly challenged the “good faith” of the Democratic opposition to the Republican moves in Florida and Michigan, it seemed far less interested in gauging what New Hampshire Democrats were doing. The head of the South Carolina GOP actually traveled to Concord, New Hampshire, to announce the decision to move his state’s primary up. He stood in the Executive Council chambers of the statehouse with Secretary of State William Gardner and Representative James Splaine, a Democrat who led the legislative efforts to protect the state’s first-primary tradition.

    Democratic governor John Lynch was at a funeral when the press conference occurred, but his spokesman said Lynch “has faith in Bill Gardner” and “supports whatever Bill decides.” And Lynch, who had already derided the DNC decision to put Nevada ahead of New Hampshire, was clearly pleased that the acceleration of the South Carolina Republican primary date was giving Gardner all the justification he needed to squeeze back ahead of Nevada. New Hampshire officials even called the maneuver an “alliance” with South Carolina Republicans. Gardner promptly chose a new date 11 days before Nevada, defying the schedule that the DNC had issued.

    But New Hampshire was granted the safe harbor waiver. There simply is no basis for what the DNC has done. It is outrageous, unfair and worst of all, political idiocy.

    And, to borrow a phrase from Markos Moulitsas, a tale of intellectual dishonesty. Barrett writes:

    The inconsistency on New Hampshire aside, DNC officials have come up with one other argument for why they were so tough on Michigan and Florida. Dean’s spokesman Damien LaVera said in an email to Huffington Post that, despite the unmistakable references in the rules to testing the “good faith” of a state’s “elected officials” and examining a state’s “legislative” efforts, the DNC’s rules “apply to a state party plan, not state legislatures or elected officials.” LaVera insisted that the only standard their Rules Committee judges compliance by is what state parties do, and that the parties in Michigan and Florida had options other than the state-designated primaries.

    But this makes no sense. The New Hampshire Democratic Party, the South Carolina Democratic Party and the Iowa Democratic Party all had the exact same options that Florida had but they were given waivers anyway.

    In short, rules are rules, except when they are not. Donna Brazile has a lot to answer for. This disaster is entirely the fault of the DNC and the RBC in particular.

    By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

  73. emjay,

    LOVE YOU GIRL !!!!
    geez, remember the days back when, when you had to administer
    ‘tough love’ to me? and you taught me to reign it in…

    whats the good news emjay?
    is there any?

  74. I like Ricky Martin, too. I think he’s a super-talent. I’m thrilled he’s supporting Hillary.
    I sounded kind of negative in my last post. it’s because I’m getting nervous, and hearing Obama campaign people lie puts me in a bad mood.
    I’ve been talking a lot to our janitor in the English Dept. where I work, who is pro-Hillary, and he listens to political talk radio all day, so he gets a feel for what’s happening out there. He’s been looking happy, and gives me winks. It seems like the usual demographic differences will apply here, too. Unfortunately, I know that many of my intellectual colleagues are for You-Know-Who (I can’t fathom why!) We don’t discuss politics.
    Oh, I’m so nervous.

  75. whoa djia,

    THANK YOU…
    that is so spot on…
    that should be posted everywhere, so people who only hear, that hillary
    is trying to game the system, will understand all the facts…

  76. emmy,

    if it plays out, like it has everywhere else, than the poor and working people will outnumber everyone else…

    but either way, once you give it your all, its out of your hands…
    its in hillarys.
    emmy are you a latina?
    you know how passionate the latin soul is. go out there and speak from your heart, speak with emotion, and you will have them in the palm of your hand.

  77. Glad to see some SD’s are waking up.

    Switched DNC Kevin Rodriquez (VI) from Obama to Clinton. He switched from Clinton to Obama on 5/10. We got confirmation from the Clinton campaign that he has re-endorsed Clinton.

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

    I was speaking to a friend today who is with the RNC and they are not worried about Barr taking votes away from McCain, because they feel if Obama is the nominee they will more than make up for the Barr loses with Hillary supporters.

    Funny how the RNC knows democrats better than the Dean National Committee does.

  78. Wednesday, May 28, 2008
    Specter Demands Sanity Check on Obama’s Hypocrisy
    By Peter J. Wirs
    35 Peter J. Wirs’
    Defaced
    http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/PeterJWirs/2008/05/28/specter_demands_sanity_check_on_obamas_hypocrisy?page=full
    The Democrats begrudge the 2000 Bush-Gore Florida recount. They blithely complain when Republicans seek valid measures preventing voter fraud. Why then, are the Democrats suddenly blind, deaf, and dumb when Senator Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee openly avow to disenfranchise voters 1,749,920 in Florida and 594,398 in Michigan? Not only are Obama and the DNC perpetrating a “hi-tech” lynching, but it is blatantly unconstitutional and may even be criminal.

    The Democrats allege Florida and Michigan violated the DNC Rule 11.A prohibiting a caucus or primary before Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire. DNC Rule 20.C.1 specifies the punitive measures that both states lose 50% of their vote: Florida 210 delegates, Michigan 156 delegates. The DNC Rules Committee will be meeting this coming Saturday, May 31 to hear Obama’s utterly bizarre plan allowing only the superdelegates (ironically the votes he desperately needs to capture the nomination) to be seated, while delegates elected by popular suffrage are repudiated by being half-counted, oddly reminiscent of a colonial enumeration of freed “Black Men and Indians.”

    By why is there even a debate? Constitutional law is unequivocal. Every vote cast must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Deliberately refusing to count votes cast may, under certain fact scenarios, constitute a Federal crime, United States v. Classic, citing now Section 241 of the Federal Crimes Code. Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”

    Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter, the Democrat’s contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act “very promptly.”

    Specter emphasized while Republicans are striking bold initiatives such as GOP onDemand™ to promote full voter inclusiveness, the Democrats’ direction in the opposite direction is more than paradoxical, it is “hypocrisy.” “They are preaching one thing and practicing another” angrily complained the former prosecutor, who long fought the legendary Philadelphia Democratic machine’s ghost voting and other voter frauds.

    While observing there is “great frustration and anger” among his Senate colleagues, Specter’s own disbelief over Obama’s disingenuous media manipulations was self-evident as we heard him literally swearing as he was hanging up the phone. I have observed Specter for 33 years. His strenuous objections are not political positioning for TV cameras, but are at heart of his — and any civic minded citizen’s — core beliefs of what is America. To anyone who has served his country, it is incongruous to even think such an alien idea.

    Specter reminds Obama that it is fully within the Congress’ prerogative to investigate the Democrats’ machinations; the presumption that political parties as private entities are immune from oversight or court intervention has long been judicially discredited. Specter also suggested that Florida’s Governor Charlie Crist or Attorney General Bill McCollum and Michigan’s Attorney General Michael Cox or Secretary of State Terri Land Lynn contemplate what would be required to be prepared on June 2 to go into Federal court paren patriae to see emergency injunctive relief under “Section 1983,” the legal parlance for the Civil Rights “Anti-Ku Klux Klan” Act of 1871, if the DNC May 31 hearings fail to adhere to the fundamental one-man, one-vote constitutional rule.

    And while the GOP concedes Florida’s early calendaring of the Presidential primary caused consternation, at least the “Republicans counted Florida, in stark contrast to the Democrats who didn’t count Florida,” according to RNC’s Alex Conant. Highly reliable sources inform me that Senator John McCain is absolute in insisting on fully seating both Florida and Michigan delegations without any penalties, and as one source put it “what the nominee wants, he likely gets.”

    Michigan State Republican Chairman Saul Anuzi, one of the most conscientious and public-spirited leaders in either party, reiterated the bipartisan efforts throughout Michigan to seat fellow Wolverines at the Democratic convention, as it is beyond reproach that “every vote deserves to be counted.” Anuzi, remains as baffled as everyone as to the Obama’s “apologists” spin-doctoring Michigan’s ostracization, warning voter anger from Obama’s boycott of Michigan is not “going away” by a “perfunctory photo-op.”

    Florida’ National Republican Committeeman Paul Senft pointed to the hypocrisy of Obama “using Florida as an ATM” while agreeing in writing, to refuse to “talk to voters.” Senft’s courtly manner couldn’t disguise his own frustration of the irony of liberals resurrecting the “ghosts of 2000” in the recent HBO movie while openly disenfranchising the very same Floridian voters.

    Several prominent civil rights attorneys, obviously speaking off the record being mindful they’re outsiders, nonetheless told us that the without question, Democrats must fully seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. (Their response was as if we were asking a “no-brainer” akin to whether kids be eating their vegetables). The universal consensus that the possibility of embroiling the Democratic presidential nominee in criminal proceedings in the midst of a campaign unquestionably should not be a risk worth entertaining.

    They also routinely disbelieve Obama’s contention Florida and Michigan must be punished for violating party rules, which although viscerally appealing, is utterly fallacious as a matter of law. If Obama was purportedly “upset” at Florida and Michigan primary dates, he was required by law to act before the primary vote, not afterwards. It is fundamental law that Equity hears not the Sloth coming into court.

    Democratic response to Specter is deafening by their utterly stolid silence. DNC press secretary Stacy Paxton did not respond to our phone calls to her office and cell.

    Liberal entities such as the Center for American Progress failed to respond. MoveOn (which we, the Trustees of the Republican Leadership Trust are the newly established GOP counterpart) avoids direct press contact by hiding behind a digital wall that requires the Fourth Estate to be vetted through an Orwellian email screening process.

    Obama’s response is his website promoting a “National Voter Protection Center” urging us that “in this year’s election we have a historic opportunity to bring more people than ever back to the political process and an essential part of that is ensuring every vote counts.”

    Obama reputes that he was a prominent civil rights attorney, litigating hundreds of voting rights cases. In his September 28, 2007 Howard University speech, Obama implores: “The [students] who left their homes to march in the streets of Birmingham and Montgomery; the mothers who walked instead of taking the bus after a long day of doing somebody else’s laundry — they didn’t brave fire hoses and Billy clubs so that their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren would still wonder at the beginning of the 21st century whether their vote would be counted . . .” Come again?

    Even the ACLU, the “stalwart” Constitutional guardian, prolifically “promising” to get back, failed to produce a single person to justify Obama. And this is despite pleading, as I was once, an ACLU board member for several years, albeit a lone conservative Republican in a sea of liberal, Democratic activists.

    If this is so black and white, so basic Constitutional jurisprudence, why isn’t the press demanding someone’s head on a platter? Why are the liberal activists, who defend Mumia Adu-Jamal without blinking an eye, suddenly blind as two million Americans lose their right to vote? Is the Pelosi-Reid Political Correct Doublespeak so powerful as to usurp the very essence of our democracy? No matter where one hails on the political spectrum, as my fellow co-Trustee, Fred Hess, who also serves as an advisor to the son of the legendary Frank Rizzo, observed “there is never an excuse, under any circumstances, to defy the right to vote.”

    Go to http://www.GOPonDemand.com right now to learn how you can help stop the Obama/ Democrat/ MoveOn doublespeak and require the Democrats obey the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection under law. In America, absolutely no one deserves his ballot ripped up by the liberal Democrats. The students and mothers who marched in the streets of Birmingham deserve better, Mr. Obama, and it isn’t you.

  79. from no quarter:
    =====================================================
    From LINDA STARR …

    Dear Larry,

    I am working with women’s groups who are contacting their delegate representatives where HRC overwhelmingly carried the districts and the Democratic representatives are leaning towards Obama. We are contacting these representatives to inform them if they defy their constituents wishes, they will be unseated by the Republican nominee in the General election. I can site two specific examples, Charles Gonzales and Nick Lampson who are in jeopardy in Texas.

    I’ve been contacting the HRC supporters and contributors, all of whom previously supported Nick Lampson in his bid to take Tom Delay’s old seat. These women are so incensed because they say Lampson could never have won without their volunteer help and financial assistance and they will vote Republican, if Obama is made the nominee because their own representative defied them. I’m getting similar reactions from women in Charles Gonzales district who are equally surprised and angry.

    I recommend other women supporters of HRC do the same with their own representatives in their districts. My whole point, if the superdelegates are willing to defy their constituents and vote for Obama for whatever reason, they are no longer representing their constituents interests (women’s suffrage), their constituents primary votes, or their will. These superdelegates are also ignoring the best interests of the country and the Democratic Party in selecting a nominee who has virtually no chance to win.

    DNC Leaders have grossly underestimated the personal offense to the women of the party (and more men than we knew) by the misogynistic methods and hate speech to help Obama steal this nomination away from the people’s choice. The DNC leaders and Democratic members of Congress have sat silently by while Obama’s surrogate attack dog, Jeremiah Wright, (and others, particularly at MSNBC) were deployed against HRC to use inflammatory, derogatory, personally vicious hate speech. There have been no words of reproach, or criticism against either Obama, his campaign staff, his supporters, or directed at members of the msm while HRC is vilified hourly.

    Women are appalled and we are threatening a walkout at the national convention if Obama is forced on us as the nominee and we will work to unseat every Representative who defied our choice of HRC. It defies all common sense and logic why the DNC leaders are so hell bent to make Obama the nominee when it is patently obvious he cannot win in the General Election. Check out http://www.electoral-vote.com and see how in every scenario, HRC beats McCain hands down and in nearly every possible scenario, McCain beats Obama in a landslide except in one particular scenario, if everything goes perfectly for Obama, then he squeaks by. This site does not factor in the mass exodus of pissed off women who won’t vote for him. If those figures are factored in, there is no possible way Obama can win and the Democrats down ticket candidates will lose as well.

    Women are so incensed, we are starting a new national women’s party for the specific purpose of electing women, anti-war activists and others who have not enjoyed equal civil rights such as gays and lesbians. Larry please help me get the word out. To join our new group, send an email to newwomensparty-subscribe@yahoogroups.com with their name, a brief description, and location. We are also going to merge with other groups in the near future, by state, to better prepare for the future.

    Thank you, especially if you can help us get word out – we aren’t accepting Obama and will not support him if he’s the nominee. We’ll boycott the presidential race, write in a candidate of our choosing, or vote for a candidate of another party. Obama is not acceptable and he must not be allowed to win the nomination by using misogynistic hate speech!

  80. Good insight BlueDem. Its like the farmer (Hil) and the snake (BO) that I mentioned yesterday.

    When you think about it bambi is a real sack of shit. Passive agressive I called him several months back but it goes deeper than that.

    On the surface he is everybodys hail fellow well met and behind the scenes he is scorched earth and hurful to women. I have it on good authority.

    PT Barnum once observed there is a sucker borne every minute. However he never met an Obamaniac. I have it on good authority that the period of gestation for them is six weeks or however long it takes for a reptilian brain to form.

  81. skmf12

    Yep, I’m latina on my mother’s side. I’m going to have my hair cut tomorrow and plan to wear my Hillary T-shirt to the beauty salon. I’ve got to get those women to vote for Hillary!

  82. Emmy, the last poll showed her with a 20 point lead among likely voters, 13 among all. Came out today.

  83. wbboei,
    “When you think about it bambi is a real sack of shit.”

    hehe, I have thought about it, and can’t really disagree.
    I don’t know if he ever expected to get this far, but there the SOB was on my TV tonight saying he’s going to pronounce himself nominee next week, which should tell anyone with an ounce of knowledge about what’s really going on how fucking immature he is.

    BTW, if you haven’t already, check out Hill’s PDF to SD’s.

    It is Case Closed.

  84. I used to think, waffles was narcissitic and arrogant, but over the past few months, the more that comes out about him, I believe he is also a sociopath.

  85. have you guys seen this??

    www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/may/29/uncanny-campaign-appears-to-follow-the-west-wing-s/?entertainment

  86. wbboei,
    Yeah, as I was kinda hinting at there, that really struck me in the Carville INT.
    Just speculating, but if you assume for a moment that Bill & Hill were uncertain on how to proceed, were waiting to see how the winds were blowing, so to speak, in these final weeks, and maybe they were even considering what has been speculated near-everywhere, which was cutting a deal for VP.
    Maybe they were thinking getting Cheney-like power without shredding the party and risking the election wasn’t such a bad deal.
    And the impression I got from Carville was that BO/RFK stunt – mailing out video of Olbermann’s laughable sermon to reporters – made it hit home: That any deal would be with those people.
    And that it was basically now out of the question, if it was ever under consideration in the first place. Just the feel I got…

  87. # mj Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 12:55 am
    Emmy, the last poll showed her with a 20 point lead among likely voters, 13 among all. Came out today.

    mj – where did you see that poll? I just found another poll with the following results. Of course, different polls usually give different results. I was right about likely turn-out, supposedly 50%, rather than the very 80+%. Hope it will improve. Frankly, 50% is more than i expected!
    Highlights:

    Clinton: 51%
    Obama: 38%
    Neither: 8%
    Don’t know: 3%

    50% of the electorate says it will not participate in the primary.

    34% of the electorate dislikes Clinton, 44% dislike Obama.

  88. re: blue Dem

    scary isn’t it !!

    if you ask me that is proof obama is a made up politician, a empty suit! a fake, a phoney!…….. he’s DA’s “SCRIPT”

  89. birdgal Says:
    “I used to think, waffles was narcissitic and arrogant, but over the past few months, the more that comes out about him, I believe he is also a sociopath.”

    He also reminds me of the drug addicts and alcoholics I’ve known. They were all very manipulative. All could lie to you while looking you straight in the eye. All of them had a desperate need to be the center of attention. All of them thought in terms of black and white (I don’t mean racially), rather than in shades of gray. All of them had difficulty understanding other people’s point of view, or how their behavior affected the people around them. And none of them would take responsibility for their own mistakes– it was always someone else’s fault. In psychology, they call it an “external locus of control.” I see these characteristics in Obama and in George W. Bush as well.

  90. djia, are you still there? Did you see the video on NoQuarter?
    Red state update? Hillarious!! I am having a beer in celebration of that video! Ratboat!! That’s the Obama campaign, RATBOAT!!ROTFLMAO!!

  91. yep still here, surfing the net and checking in here often 😀

    not sure if i saw that one, will go check it out now …..be right back! 😀

  92. Hey everyone. I can’t sleep. With May 31st inching closer, it’s the day of reckoning. It seems to me that the DNC will not give Hillary a break and they don’t seem to care about disenfranchising million of Dem voters.

    Democrats are so good at eating their own. It’s no wonder we lose elctions.

  93. Good night Jen…..

    Hey filbert……. I am usually up late every night……bad habit LOL

    but…it wont be much longer tonight……we are moving in a month
    so i have been super busy going thru old clothes today that have been stored away what to keep, what to sell
    what to throw away LOL…….not to mention washing a bunch of laundry in the process 🙁

    never realized i kept so many of the kids clothes! YIKES!

  94. Djia, Good luck, I hate moving, its so much work! You never realize how much stuff a person can collect in a very short time! 🙁

  95. emmy,

    tell them hillary will give them the respect of not seeing them in colors…
    they once owned this continent, with the native americans, and northern eskimo tribes…

    they need to step up and fight for their rightful place in america…
    hillary has no agenda for her race… she will serve all equally.

    but obama is fighting for his people, okay, understandable, but he owes no allegiance to latinos. a vote for obama, is to vote another 4-8 years of latins being a ‘minority’ instead of full fledged american as they should be…

    my mother was latin, my dad native american…
    this is an issue only we can understand…

  96. Diia, speaking of a puppy, I remember you saying you take your German Shepherd camping with you! I can’t take my dog to Colorado, she a pit bull, and they have banned her in Colorado. That state is beautiful, but they know nothing of dogs. She is the smartest, most loving dog I have ever had. She adores my grandchildren. When I put them to bed she licks and cleans them like they are her pups!
    Good luck with the new puppy, what kind is it?

  97. pit bulls do get a bad rap, I believe dogs behave according to how the owners have raised them..

    I have a wacky farm, all my animals get along….. even those that normal eat each other LOL

    the new puppy is a sheltie so we now have our first indoor dog LOL he’s so cute!
    we named him JAX, our youngest two kids who are now 10 and 11 have never had a puppy
    all our dogs were here before them……..so this is special for them 😀

    we have raised many alaskan malamutes and german shepherds, also have a choc lab named “rootbeer”

  98. That’s a good article from Specter about the travesty the Democrats are doing to the voters of Florida and Michigan. The world is watching! I saw a republican woman in the waiting room of the hospital watching as Ferraro was on FOx. The lady said its a travesty what they are doing to this woman candidate and what they did to Ferraro. We must not forget what happened to her! She was tarred and feathered also!! They did not do this to Jesse Jackson when he ran, apparently it a woman thing!

  99. on the moving thing…. i am not really happy about the move…. we ended up in iowa from MN trying to find my hubby a
    job in colorado…… 🙁

    then again i tried to find him a better job in colorado (sorry iowa, but i hate farm land LOL ) and he took a job in vermillion
    SD 🙁

    the good part about it, my best friend from high school….. lives in beresford sd, about 12 minutes from our new farm
    so instead of talking on the phone we can see each other !! 😀

    just wish i didn’t have to pack everything, haul it and un pack it LOL

  100. Djia, those are all nice dogs. I had a collie with the kids were little she was beautiful. I love my Pit, I got her when the last child left home and she became my baby and she still is. The kids joke now that I love this dog more than I love them. I tell I do love my dog alot, she certainly was cheaper to raise! LOL!!

  101. Agreed, Blue Democrat. Carville is absolutely right, too: the RFK stunt that the Obama campaign pulled was one of the most disgusting displays of race-baiting I’ve ever seen. Any time Hillary says anything that can be taken wildly out of context in order to fan the flames of racial tension, sleazy Axelrod and the Obama campaign pounces. It’s pathetic and it’s embarrassing.

  102. DNC / latte-liberal crowd is starting to panic about the prospect of Hillary taking her campaign all the way to Denver (article below). It’s completely absurd for Pelosi and others to claim that we “can’t let this go to the convention.” Oh? Why can’t we? Seriously, why can’t we? That is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE CONVENTION. That is why conventions exist. Sure, in the modern age, they’ve been turned into slick infomercials, devoid of genuine political substance, but you know what? This is the closest Democratic primary we’ve had in history and the voters have said time and time again that they don’t want it to end. Too much is riding on this election. And the reason we have conventions is to pick a nominee. It’s part of our Democratic party’s core tradition and process. Leave it to the Obama campaign to emphasize style over substance, as usual, and whine whenever they don’t get their way.

  103. Pelosi vows to prevent fight at Dem convention
    Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

    Wednesday, May 28, 2008
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is confident Democrats will ra… Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi speaks with the San Fr…

    (05-28) 20:17 PDT San Francisco — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention – though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.

    Pelosi predicted Wednesday that a presidential nominee will emerge in the week after the final Democratic primaries on June 3, but she said “I will step in” if there is no resolution by late June regarding the seating of delegates from Florida and Michigan, the two states that defied party rules by holding early primaries.

    “Because we cannot take this fight to the convention,” she said. “It must be over before then.”

  104. Here’s that great clip of Carville from today, blasting the Obama campaign for their divisive tactics and ridiculing the media for falling for it:

    abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=carville&type=

  105. Nancy, who’s done such a great job running the House, should try doing her day job and stay out of the nomination.

  106. Berkeley:

    You are absolutely right — panic is starting to set in with the Bambi crowd about things going to Denver. It is fantastic. We just have to keep moving right now; things are lining up perfectly.

    Pelos can fornicate herself.

    She can take her 13% approval-Congress ass, along with the minority of Dems who have voted for Bambi and go wave the white flag that she and Reid wore-out since 2006. Sorry, Queen Bee, you aren’t doing sh*t.

    Whether this thing goes to Denver or not is entirely up to Hillary. If she wants to go, she’s going, period. Nobody and nothing can stop that, and everyone knows it.

    If every single remaining SD came out tomorrow for Bambs, it wouldn’t matter because not a single delegate would have cast a vote. 3 months is a long, long time. It’s only been 2 months since Rev Wright and look and the carnage Bambs suffered in West Virginia and Kentucky.

    There is absolutely not reason HRC shouldn’t go to Denver. She is going to be the popular vote winner both among the entire primary electorate and even more clearly among reg’d Dem voters. She is the choice of the people and the clear favorite in the polls vis-a-vis Bambi. If she did not go, I think it would be a real disservice to the demonstrated majority of the party who has voted for her.

    Pejokski and the rest of the D-List crowd can bitch as much as they want. All their baying means nothing. As it should have been with Gore in 2000, everything rests in Hillary’s capable hands now. And everyone knows it.

    This is where the realization that Barack is supported by a minority of the party is going to become very, very clear.

    I think the Bambians made a HUGE mistake with the RFK over-sell. From what I can see those close to the Clintons — not to mention her millions of supporters — are extremely pissed-off about how the Bambians handled things.

    And more to the point, the way that the Bambians handled the RFK episode shows that they are scared off of their asses that this is slipping away from them. They are desperate, and that is why they tried to hard-sell the RFK thing.

    Perfect.

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  107. BVox quotes and article re Pelosi: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention – though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.

    This is LOL funny. I’d really like to see how she intends to accomplish this. Last time I checked there’s only one woman who has the power to “shut this thing down” and it isn’t Pelosi, it’s Hillary. Period.

    Even if every single superdelegate came out and stood behind Pelosi when she decided it was time to shut things down, it still wouldn’t shut it down if Hillary says she wants to go to the convention. Pledged delegates are powerful in that they are pledged at least for the first round of voting which is why presumptive nominees are presumptive. While it is right and fair to presume that pledged delegates will honor their pledge, superdelegates are unpledged and can not be counted or presumed upon until their votes are cast.

    Any number of scandals can arise that can cause these SuperDs to change their minds and vote for any of the available candidates. So to Nancy, I say this: “Poof! Be gone! You have no power here.”

  108. Washington Post, explaining how Obama’s policies are nothing new, and instead just standard orthodox liberal templates:

    —-
    On Policy, Obama Breaks Little New Ground

    By Perry Bacon Jr.
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, May 29, 2008; A01

    Already famous for his speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, Barack Obama entered the Senate with more than the usual aspirations about the impact he could have.

    So in 2005, he had his office arrange informal seminars so that experts on health care, the economy, energy and education could brief him. “I’m not running for president,” he told a group of experts at his Capitol Hill office in the spring of 2006. But he said he had a “national voice” and wanted to use it.

    When Obama changed his mind and decided to run for president after only two years in the Senate, however, he effectively dismissed the importance of policy proposals, declaring in one speech in early 2007, “We’ve had plenty of plans, Democrats,” and in another: “Every four years, somebody trots out a white paper, they post it on the Web.” He cast his “new kind of politics” in terms of his ability to transcend divisions and his unique biography and offered few differences on issues from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and the other Democratic presidential candidates.

    But now this approach faces a new test from Sen. John McCain. The GOP candidate is making an aggressive appeal to independents by emphasizing his past and present stances against party orthodoxy, particularly his proposals to combat global warming.

    Obama has not emphasized any signature domestic issue, or signaled that he would take his party in a specific direction on policy, as Bill Clinton did with his “New Democrat” proposals in 1992 that emphasized welfare reform or as George W. Bush did with his “compassionate conservatism” in 2000, when he called on Republicans to focus more on issues such as education.

    Obama’s campaign is “clearly politically transformative, it’s clearly from a policy standpoint been cautious,” said James K. Galbraith, a liberal activist and economist at the University of Texas at Austin who had backed former senator John Edwards in the early primaries.

    “The change that Senator Obama has promised is one of tone and leadership style,” said William A. Galston, who was a domestic policy adviser to President Bill Clinton and is backing Sen. Clinton but who said he would enthusiastically support Obama if he is the party’s nominee. “He has not dissented from party orthodoxy in the way Bill Clinton did on the way to the presidency in 1992,” Galston added.

  109. CARVILLE HINTS the FIGHT COULD GO ON
    from NQ today

    On ABC News with Diane Sawyer, James Carville gave a preview of the next few days and maybe weeks regarding the Democratic nominating process. He also stresses what he sees as the Obama campaign’s heavy-handed flogging of the South Dakota / RFK kerfluffle.

    While many have said that the nominating process will not run past June 3, Carville hints that may not be the case after all. He says there may be a split decision with Obama having more delegates and Hillary having more votes. He also says Clinton has a superior moral position because various party leaders offered compromises on MI and FL that were rebuffed by the Obama campaign.

    But, he goes on to say the Obama campaign really screwed up by pressing the vitriol regarding the South Dakota interview.

    When Diane replied that Obama publically didn’t say anything about HIllary’s RFK statement, Carville, laughing, said:

    “Diane, I’m not a journalist, I’m a political operative, I don’t fall for that. I mean, come on, please.”

    Then he resumes talking about how the Obama campaign hyped up the RFK story.

    Diane presses him on the possibility that a convention fight will ensue. Carville presses the case that Hillary may well have the popular vote by June 3, with Obama having more delegates.

    He later mentions South Dakota again and says he was personally hurt by it. He says Obama “tried to pull a clever political trick and it backfired on him.”

    He laid the RFK story down as a marker (several times – even Obama dementors should get this) and hinted that the fight will continue. Very interesting.
    ————————

  110. If the UNIMAGINABLE happens, here’s a good slogan for the GE. (from a TM poster)

    We’ll Remember in November.

    👿

  111. I don’t watch cable anymore but Tm posters do and here’s a snippet of Lanny Davis’s and Carvilles’s comments on the morning news.

    We’re still In IT to Win IT!
    ‘Lanny Davis just on M.Joe making GREAT case for Hillary citing the Gallup poll of over 6,000 over two week period – Hillary’s primary wins translate to GE win, BO’s do not. Says race will NOT be over next week!
    Lanny really put Mika in her place!

    Man, that was fun to watch!!!

    Said ” I know you and Barnacle are Obama supporters. ”

    Mika denied it and made a weird little face ( is she psychotic? ).

    Lanny said he was glad to hear that she was in fact suppporting Hillary ( sarcasm dripping ), ” Welcome, aboard. “Carville:

    CARVILLE

    Excluding FL and MI not smart in long run.

    Carville offered to pay for revotes and BO was opposed. Lack of real resolution fault of Obama camp.

    HRC will prob win popular vote.

    Most important: Come November, voters will take priority over delagates. DNC would be wise to remember that.

  112. Joan Walsh was absolutely right. There has been so much talk to say Hillary is destroying the party, but the fact is the Obama’s hate campaign of misconstruing words and labeling Bill a racist – Hillary a monster is isolating THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS (lets not forget she has the most votes in all states). Thats going to destroy the party

  113. I can see the DNC doing something like this
    – Sear half the votes FL that the way it is
    – MI a compromise
    – Keep 2026 as the number that must be reached

  114. EVERYONE!!!!!

    If you haven’t seen this clip go to NQ. It is a stunning Bill-O interview with Kass and Rios, Chicago journalists, and their take on Waffles. kass says WHEN the NATIONAL MEDIA finally wakes up there will be a major meltdown. (paraphrasing)

    I’m outta the cottage most of the day coz of ongoing crucial home repairs, that’s why I can’t hang around much to chat. 🙄

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/ayers-obama-philanthropy-corruption-what-big-media-refuses-to-disclose-about-obamas-checkered-past-in-chicago-machine-politics

  115. Has anyone received the info on the exact location where the protest group is meeting (near the zoo?) on Saturday before marching to the Marriott? I haven’t received the email info back. If you have, please have Admin send me an email if you don’t want to divulge the location here. Thanks!

    Short-termer: I’ll look for you in your red hat!

  116. “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention – though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.”

    Excuse me! I don’t remember anyone giving her any special powers. We should refer her to the US Constitution so that she may study what her job description is as a member of the US House of Representatives representing her district and as Speaker of the House of Representatives. She is not Queen of the Democratic Party. As a Super Delegate for the Democratic Party, she is entitled to one vote at the convention in Denver. Nothing else! She should stick to her own affairs and stop pretending she is somebody she is not.

    OK. That was my rant for the day.

    Dear Readers, please continue on for more serious comments from our fine panel of regular contributors.

  117. Basil, Bluedem, 1950Dem, Birdgal, Molly et. al.: this one is for you. My letter to the superdems, after a thousand redrafts. . . . As the Bible says there is nothing new under the sun–not really.

    Dear Superdelegate:

    As a fellow Democrat, I am sympathetic to your position. The responsibility for deciding this nomination and ultimately the fate of our country may well rest on your shoulders. You want to make the right decision, but there are no specific guidelines. You want to be ethical as well as practical. You do not want to succumb to threats and enticements which are being tossed around Chicago-style. How should you proceed? Let me suggest three (3) criteria which may be useful to your deliberations: i) who can unite the party? ii) who can win the election? and iii) who can govern most effectively?

    1. Unity: Hillary Clinton is in a better position than her opponent to unite the party. According to recent polls conducted by CNN a majority of his supporters would vote for her if she is the nominee whereas only a minority of her supporters would vote for him. This is borne out by the conversations I have had with Clinton supporters across the country, who bristle at the suggestion that this is racism. They object to him because of Wright, bitters and the way his campaign has tried undermine the Clinton legacy. Many of them will never support him. Meanwhile, the African-Americans who vote for her opponent are traditional Clinton supporters, and many would come home if she were the nominee. Thus, if the goal is to unite the party the safe bet is to nominate her. (Note: women are more likely than blacks to vote Republican as opposed to stay home if their candidate is not chosen).

    2. Electability: Hillary Clinton has the demographic base required to prevail in the general election, i.e. working class voters, seniors, Hispanics, and women. She will win the popular vote based on a 50 state map. She will win the electoral vote by a wide margin which is the best predictor of success in November. She does well in big blue states, swing states and contested districts. She has better down ticket strength than he does. His strength is in caucus states which will go Republican in the general election. His pledged delegate advantage is a reflection of that. It is no predictor of success in the general election, which is the ultimate test.

    3. Governance: Hillary Clinton has the vision, experience and moral courage to solve the enormous problems facing this country today. She is fully prepared to do so commencing on day 1. The peace, prosperity and budget surpluses of her husband’s administration attest to their competence in the area of governance. I am told that she passed more legislation than any freshman senator in history. Her opponent has no demonstrable record of competence with respect to governance. The presidency is not an entry level position. It would be unwise and potentially reckless to nominate a candidate with little experience for the most challenging and consequential job in the world, especially now when the margin of error is razor thin.

    4. Big Media: Hillary Clinton has withstood outrageous attacks by big media. They have dismissed the historic nature of her candidacy, and adopted a double standard depicted on Saturday Night Live. They have exploited racial tensions, manipulated innocent remarks and slandered her supporters. They have been trying to push her out of this race since Iowa and force her opponent down our throats. Public outrage is growing. But there is nothing new under the sun. President Washington endured similar abuses in his day minus the sexism. As he recounted to his friend Jefferson: “I am accused of being the enemy of America, and every act of my administration is tortured in such exaggerated and indecent terms as could scarcely be applied to Nero, a notorious defaulter, or even to a common pickpocket”. Then as now this is the price a politician pays when he or she stands by principle. (See Profiles In Courage by John Kennedy.)

    For the good of our county, our party and the American People I ask you to support the nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States. If you do so, then you will be able to look back to your vote with pride, secure in the knowledge that when the vital interests of the country were at stake you rose above the partisan fray and did the right thing.
    Very truly yours,

    William Boe (206) 910-0903

    As a fellow Democrat, I am sympathetic to your position. The responsibility for deciding this nomination and ultimately the fate of our country may well rest on your shoulders. You want to make the right decision, but there are no specific guidelines. You want to be ethical as well as practical. You do not want to succumb to threats and enticements which are being tossed around Chicago-style. How should you proceed? Let me suggest three (3) criteria which may be useful to your deliberations: i) who can unite the party? ii) who can win the election? and iii) who can govern most effectively?
    1. Unification: Hillary Clinton is in a better position than her opponent to unite the party. According to recent polls conducted by CNN a majority of his supporters would vote for her if she is the nominee whereas only a minority of her supporters would vote for him. This is borne out by the conversations I have had with Clinton supporters across the country, who bristle at the suggestion that this is racism. They object to him because of Wright, bitters and the way his campaign has tried to undermine the Clinton legacy. Many of them will never support him. Meanwhile, the African-Americans who vote for her opponent are traditional Clinton supporters, and many would come home if she were the nominee. Thus, if the goal is to unite the party the safe bet is to nominate her. (Note: women are more likely than blacks to vote Republican as opposed to stay home if their candidate is not chosen).
    2. Electability: Hillary Clinton has the demographic base required to prevail in the general election, i.e. working class voters, seniors, Hispanics, and women. She will win the popular vote based on a 50 state map. She will win the electoral vote by a wide margin which is the best predictor of success in November. She does well in big blue states, swing states and contested districts. She has better down ticket strength than he does. His strength is in caucus states which will go Republican in the general election. His pledged delegate advantage is a reflection of that. It is no predictor of success in the general election, which is the ultimate test.
    3. Governance: Hillary Clinton has the vision, experience and moral courage to solve the enormous problems facing this country today. She is fully prepared to do so commencing on day 1. The peace, prosperity and budget surpluses of her husband’s administration attest to their competence in the area of governance. I am told that she passed more legislation than any freshman senator in history. Her opponent has no demonstrable record of competence with respect to governance. The presidency is not an entry level position. It would be unwise and potentially reckless to nominate a candidate with little experience for the most challenging and consequential job in the world, especially now when the margin of error is razor thin.
    4. Big Media: Hillary Clinton has withstood outrageous attacks by big media. They have dismissed the historic nature of her candidacy, and adopted a double standard depicted on Saturday Night Live. They have exploited racial tensions, manipulated innocent remarks and slandered her supporters. They have been trying to push her out of this race since Iowa and force her opponent down our throats. Public outrage is growing. But there is nothing new under the sun. President Washington endured similar abuses in his day minus the sexism. As he recounted to his friend Jefferson: “I am accused of being the enemy of America, and every act of my administration is tortured in such exaggerated and indecent terms as could scarcely be applied to Nero, a notorious defaulter, or even to a common pickpocket”. Then as now this is the price a politician pays when he or she stands by principle. (See Profiles In Courage by John Kennedy.)
    For the good of our county, our party and the American People I ask you to support the nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States. If you do so, then you will be able to look back to your vote with pride, secure in the knowledge that when the interests of the country were at stake you rose above the partisan fray and did the right thing.

    Very truly yours,

    WB

  118. Get over to Talk Left.

    They have video from Trinity Church, this time a white preacher/priest/pastor/reverend screaming his head off about
    white entitlement and white supremacy – and Hillary!

  119. The bottom line is that if Hillary wants VP she is holding all the cards…without her support he stands no chance of beating McCain. My guess is she wants the respect of being offered the VP position and she will reject it as she would never play second to a moron like Obama.

  120. wbboei: thank you. The letter was wonderful. It was well-written, covered the major points and concerns, and was not abrasive in any way. I don’t see, how anyone could be offended by it. Good work.

  121. what i don’t get is why doesn’t anyone talk about this???

    Barack Obama the War Monger

    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?Itemid=34&id=305&option=com_content&task=view
    by BAR executive editor Glen Ford

    The Senator from Illinois masquerades as a “peace candidate” – and then proposes the Americans invade Pakistan, the only Muslim nation that has The Bomb. After the U.S. has propped up the military regime for generations, and stunted democracy in a country of 165 million, Obama now thinks he can just walk into western Pakistan – Waziristan – to find and kill Osama bin Ladin. In the process, he would unite all of the Right and the Left opposition to the government in Islamabad, and give the generals no choice but to brandish The Bomb. Obama wants to add 100,000 new troops to the U.S. military. Now we know where they will be going: Waziristan, a place from Hell.

    alot more to this article……click on the link above!

  122. # birdgal Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Informed: yes, NV and SC moved their primaries up. I think, NH did too.
    &&&&

    Iowa jumped too.

    Someone here on the site, back a couple of weeks ago, said that all four of the January states moved up, leapfrogging each other.

  123. Subject: Support the right decision to count ALL the votes on Saturday
    To: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

    Dear Speaker Pelosi:

    I am writing to you to ask that ALL the votes be counted and that you advocate for seating ALL delegates on Saturday. Your posture, while you have publicly stated that it is “neutral,” belies one of extreme partisanship. The more than seventeen million supporters of Hillary Clinton find this disrespectful to our candidate, to democracy in general and to American women in particular. Please consider the following:

    1. While deferring to the authority of the DNC in this badly managed primary, Hillary Clinton has always advocated for counting all votes in Michigan and Florida. She adhered to all agreements not to campaign in either state. You and other Obama surrogates have inferred otherwise.

    2. Other states that moved their primary were not penalized. This betrays a plan to advantage one candidate over another by the DNC. This is inappropriate and is disrespectful to the majority of the democratic primary voters who did not vote for Senator Obama.

    3. Barack Obama made a tactical decision to remove his name from Michigan’s ballot, in a cynical attempt to de-legitimize Ms. Clinton’s support there and to pander to Iowa voters. The statement that “he wasn’t even on the ballot” repeated by the DNC and other Obama surrogates is cynical and a mischaracterization. Mr. Obama’s decision to remain on the ballot in Florida further exposes his previous tactical error and lack of any particular principle in making either decision. Seventeen million Clinton supporters know better.

    4. Barack Obama rejected sound, fully funded plans for re-votes in Michigan and Florida, so if he is “coronated” without fully counting those votes, his candidacy will be illegitimate for many of the more than seventeen million primary voters who supported Senator Clinton, as well as many women who wish they had done so. California supported Senator Clinton, as well.

    5. Democrats will need the goodwill of both those states in November. Neither Clinton nor Obama can afford to write them off.

    Please take all these actual facts into consideration as you represent ALL Democratic primary voters in your public statements, in your vote as an automatic delegate and as Chair of the August convention. Many of the more than seventeen million voters referenced above will not support an illegitimate Democratic candidate.

    Respectfully submitted,

  124. Wobbei: Wonderful letter – thanks for sharing.
    My letter to Madame Speaker may be one of many that is demonstrating that as you said, “Public outrage is growing.”

  125. CHICKEN OR EGG?

    I like to post Craig Crawford’s stuff here because he almost always has something valid to say, and in a witty way.

    But I sometimes wonder if he does his research here, among other places? Because these are arguments we’ve put forth. It’s just nice to seem someone more mainstream feed this info to the even more mainstream media types. They might not listen to us, but “Craig Crawford’s got a good reputation. He’s even on Olbermann quite a bit”.

    I wonder if CC still appears on KO? I too can no longer take KO’s steady diet of Obama propaganda. I love Crawford’s gasping, laughing delivery; it’s like he finds everything funny.

    Here’s his blog for today:

    blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/

    &&&&&&
    Obama’s Michigan Forfeit

    By Craig Crawford
    May 29, 2008 6:00 AM

    Among the myths surrounding the Democratic fight over seating delegates from Florida and Michigan, one that stands out is a persistent inference that Barack Obama was somehow involuntarily kept off the Michigan primary ballot.

    Obama chose to have his name erased from the Michigan ballot — a decision that now presents one of the thorniest issues for the Democratic National Committee’s rules panel meeting on Saturday to hear arguments in this dispute.

    How can delegates be awarded to someone who was not even on the ballot? In sports, that would be like giving points to a team that forfeits the game.

    The Obama camp signaled on Wednesday that the Democratic frontrunner is willing to concede some Florida and Michigan delegates to Hillary Rodham Clinton, but questions such as what to do about Obama’s Michigan forfeit still hang.

    It was the Illinois senator’s written and personally signed request to the Michigan Secretary of State’s office on Oct. 8, 2007, that prompted his exclusion. Obama’s choice to stay off the ballot was a conscious political maneuver designed to please Iowa Democrats angered by Michigan’s early primary date.

    Clinton, to her detriment in Iowa, chose to stay on Michigan’s ballot. As strange as some of Clinton’s demands might seem to be in this matter, it would be truly bizarre to give any Michigan delegates to a candidate who voluntarily took his name off the ballot.

  126. I love the if “RULES ARE RULES:” bumper sticker/Tshirt saying — but her name is ROSA not Rose Parks, in case that wasn’t a typo.

    I think Joan Walsh has seen the handwriting on the wall — as has Obama. The demonization of the Clintons (see the NY Times blogs for real hate) will keep her supporters and many other women from ever supporting Obama. His technique of saying nice (unconvincing) things about her while sending out the nastiest e-mails to journalists will not work.

    BTW, Bobby Kennedy was not MLK. He was white.
    He was a candidate. Hillary has secret service protection. She is in as much danger from a nut as he is.

    And just who didn’t remember or know about Bobby Kennedy’s fate and his last line — “And now it’s on to Chicago (the convention site). Why do we schedule primaries at the end of May or in June if it has to be over before then? Obama — and his team — are reprehensible. I don’t want him to be my president. Period.

  127. paddy4Hill Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention – though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.”

    Excuse me! I don’t remember anyone giving her any special powers.
    &&&&&

    She won’t even exercise her acutal powers to the fullest extent. The Dem Leadership is like those little dogs that bark at you behind a fence. And if you jump over the fence, they run around behind the house.

    They have fed us a steady diet of excuses why they won’t confront Bush more directly:

    * You (little people) don’t understand the arcane rules of the House / Senate
    * It was better to get half a loaf than nothing
    * The Republicans were threatening to fillibuster
    * We’re weak little pansies who don’t have the guts to challenge a president with humongous balls

  128. Whoa Blue Democrat, looks like more trinity videos are surfacing. Youtube is blocked here can you tell us whats the breakdown and whats being said in the video but i gather its like as bad as Wright was.

  129. Right on, Freckles.

    Rosa Parks, not Rose.

    And if Obama is “installed” as nominee, and we are cut out of the process, if the games is rigged, then the outrage is not going “wear off” by November.

    “Oooh, thanks for the flowers, dear. And thanks for picking me up from the hospital. I know you didn’t mean to hit me. Again.”

    Homey don’t play dat.

    &&&
    freckles Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I love the if “RULES ARE RULES:” bumper sticker/Tshirt saying — but her name is ROSA not Rose Parks, in case that wasn’t a typo.

    The demonization of the Clintons (see the NY Times blogs for real hate) will keep her supporters and many other women from ever supporting Obama. His technique of saying nice (unconvincing) things about her while sending out the nastiest e-mails to journalists will not work.

  130. Walsh should have told Mathews he was the biggest Clinton hater of all, but they all want time on that show with no ratings. Chris Mathews has been jealous of Bill and Hillary since they first came to power and has never gotten over it. Hillary simply made the comparison of others campaigning long into June, but off course, her words were twisted, much like Bill’s in SC, to make the Clinton’s appear demonic..Obama and his supporters are evil, mean spirited people, who have no respect for the fact that absent the Clintons, he would never have had a chance to be in the position he is in now….arrogant prick.

  131. OMG this new video is going to be big, that is disgraceful beyond belief and just in time for the weekend.

  132. Emmy (formerly known as emkay) Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Voting for Hillary because Ricky Martin backs her is not a great reason in my book, but hey, as long as it’s a vote for Hillary!
    &&&&&

    I have new found respect for Ricky Martin.

    And I’ll leave it to the Boss to exercise his right to free speech and think how he wants, but gosh, I’m going to stop inviting him over for beers (for now).

  133. I have been on this site since a little after the beginning and really appreciate all of you who contribute. It takes alot of time and effort to keep up with this campaign and you have certainly done it and continue to fight the good fight for the woman we all love.

    Our common goal has been to elect Hillary and thus achieve the miracle of a first woman president, and not just any woman but one who demonstrated brilliance, dignity and charm throughout a gruelling process. And we will see this through wherever the political winds may take us. I hope as you do she takes this to the convention, but she will have to decide for herself what is best for the country and party.

    She has made a compelling case to the superdelegates and the matter is now in their hands. The fate of Michigan and Florida will be decided this weekend by all appearances. The one thing nobody knows is what she will do. The same people who urged her to concede months ago are now saying it was a good thing that she hung in there and it has enhanced her stature. This proves what I have been saying all along that they are not worth listening to. All we can really do is wait, see and reflect.

    My oppositon to Obama has hardened over the course of time, based on what I have observed. I truly believe he would be a disaster for the country. We are witnessing a gaff a day and more revelations of anti-white animus. My cynical side wonders whether sometime soon you can expect him to deliver a speech on how white people are human beings too according to new dna evidence and we should all be nice to them.

    The larger question-and I touched upon this in my letter without being too harsh for the intended audience is whether he is or will ever be up to the job. The tomfolery of a candidate telling the head of state of a key ally to step down in the midst of an existential conflict is hardly indicative of the judgment he touts about the Iraq War. Rather it is sophmorphic and dangerous.

    In any contest passions are joined. Hate may be a bad thing in the abstract but in politics it is the one thing that rescues the process from mind numbing boredom. There must always be a devil.

    However, the inevitable result of this is that people in the campaign have a tendency to dehumanize the opponent. This is the central vice of campaign operatives who are young people with more convictions than wisdom. The reason why the 20 somethings run campaigns is the same reason they are now running the set lots in Hollywood. They can stand the 20 hour days–one of the problems with the 24/7 world.

    But that is precisely why the adults must be in charge, and by that I mean simply people with practical wisdom regardless of age. What I am leading up to is this. The gotterdamerung created by Hillary’s innocent reference to the RFK assassination revealed not only the poison which has been built up and allowed to fester but no less the fact that there are no adults and the inmates are running the asylm–both in the media and in the Obama campaign.

    This is an abdication of leadership by Obama. He got on the wrong side of the issue in the beginning and then he allowed bill burton to go to the mat with it. This was the politics of personal destruction writ large, and the strategy which pursues a Carthaginian peace under mantra of reconcilation and a flag of truce.

    When Burton fed the deranged dogermans video to the press and they all enjoyed a moment of glee over it, and then proceeded to shit all over themselves for three days it was forseeable what would happen. Both were worried that Hillary might yet pull this out (she still could) and were determined to destroy her to prevent that from happening. If you doubt that go back and read the words of Michael Goodwin or derranged dowd.

    One thing this whole process has done is make me less interested in the world, and highly distrustful of anything the media says. Now when I turn on the computer I avoid reading the msnbc web page, the New York Times or mainstream media except FOX. My television broke a couple months ago and I have made no effort to fix it. I am no longer interested in their lies.

    To be perfectly honest I do not know whether McCain will prove an inspirational candidate like Reagan or a disappointing one like Dole. He is an old white man with all the advantages and disadvatages that entails. He has the capacity to school Obama in debates, and main stream media would be gentler on him than they were on Hillary. But in the end that may make little difference. From a marketing standpoint it is a battle between brands.

    The larger question I have about McCain is that he is a naval officer and if you have ever walked along that path then you are apt to remember the words of John Paul Jones: “It is not enough that a naval officer be a competent mariner. He must be that of course but a great deal more. He must be a gentle,an with refined manners, punctilious courtesy and the nicest sense of personal honor.”

    Hillary has a great sense of personal honor. It is what has prevented her from really taking Obama to the mat over the way he has tried to destroy her in this campaign. To some of us that is a virtue but to the Machiavellians we are dealing with it is a weakness. Intuition tells me that McCain suffers from that same weakness which is to say he is too ethical to fight fire with fire. I hope I am wrong if Obama is the nominee.

  134. Well Pelosi has as much slap makeup on here face as Katherine Harris did, She looked like she put her make up on with a garden spade.

    I’m surprised she doesnt have a university diploma in sandblasting.

  135. What’s-his-face Novak is all over the map today

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/28/AR2008052802916.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    getting some things totally wrong, and some right on the money. I report, you decide (heh, heh).

    Clinton Crosses a Line
    Thursday, May 29, 2008; Page A19

    (excerpts, with $$$ commentary from me)

    Poor taste by the Clintons is matched by their poor knowledge of history. Kennedy’s campaign against Hubert Humphrey 40 years ago is not comparable to the Clinton-Obama marathon. When he was killed, Kennedy had been a candidate for only 2 1/2 months and Humphrey for two months. Contrary to the impression given by Sen. Clinton, Kennedy was not a presumptive nominee stopped by an assassin. Humphrey enjoyed a decisive lead in delegates that Kennedy surely would have been unable to erase.

    $$$ Here’s where Novak is a dodo head. There’s no way Clinton would be trying to say RFK was the presumptive nominee. Her argument is that even though he was behind Humphrey, he was still soldiering on. Well? DUH!

    As for 1992, Bill Clinton clinched the nomination in April — not June, as his wife’s claim implied.

    $$$ and yes, by then, BC was the presumptive nom, but he was still campaiging his butt off.

    The noxious atmosphere contributes to counterintuitive results in a national Newsweek-Princeton poll last week. Despite plunging Republican support thanks to an unpopular war and president and a declining economy, the survey showed a tie — 46 percent to 46 percent — between Obama and John McCain.

    Most startling was that 19 percent of Democrats said they would vote Republican. “Will 60,000 old white women in Ohio vote for McCain and make him president?” asks a prominent Democrat.

    $$$ Umm, yes. NJ and CA will turn from blue to purple or reddish purple. Obama will lose CA, and that’s it. PA turns red, OH red, keep going. Obama would win IL, and perhaps a few others. All the juicy electoral states will trend Red, or turn Red.

    Many Democrats, not all of them Obama supporters, feel a need to end the contest for the nomination to reduce that 19 percent slice of apostates. But it won’t happen Saturday, when Democratic National Committee members meet to determine whether to seat Michigan and Florida delegates. The Clinton camp this week rejected a contemplated compromise, promising more struggle rather than reconciliation. It looked like Hillary Agonistes, eyeless in Gaza.

    $$$ Novak raises all the points we are making, but then at the end decides that all the divisiveness should be attributed to the Evil Hillary. What a clown.

  136. wbboei Says (May 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm)

    Thank you for expressing your thoughts and feelings so eloquently. You’ve expressed much of what I’m feeling, too. But it’s not over until it’s over.

  137. Who’s Conciliatin’ whom?

    Novak’s column: “Clinton camp this week rejected a contemplated compromise, promising more struggle rather than reconciliation.”

    Obama only wants reconciliation on his terms: “Award me the nomination, and then let’s band together to help me win”. He has not won the nomination, and yet is acting as if he has won it, and that all the petulant brats need to stop making such a ruckus in the corner.

    We reject your so-called “compromise”. The only compromise Obama will allow are the ones that guarantee him the nomination.

    And with that attitude, we guarantee a floor fight in Denver.

  138. wbboei: I think, the GOP will take it, to the mat. They have so much on waffles, that they will unleash it, with a vengenance.

  139. yup Birdgal, it aint going to be pretty. The ambush on the democrats is going to be ferocious once the nomination is finalised if its dickface.

  140. The new video of Trinity church, and of the preacher blasting Hillary for “white entitlement” is an absolute bombshell. Whoah. Wow. Why is Obama STILL a member of this hate-spewing church?!?! It’s OBVIOUS that the hatred spewed bu the church is not limited to Rev. Wright. It’s the entire church!

  141. Yup Berkley, you can expect this to be all over Fox by tonight, its obvious that this church believes whats being preached and the crowds are lapping it up.

  142. basil9 wrote:

    If the UNIMAGINABLE happens, here’s a good slogan for the GE. (from a TM poster)

    We’ll Remember in November.
    ——-

    And if the unimaginable happens, there’ll be a good bumper sticker for post-Jan 20, after McCain is sworn in — “Don’t blame me, I voted for Hillary”

  143. Exactly, moononpluto. This new video completely DESTROYS Obama’s argument that hey, all this nonsense was solely because of Rev. Wright’s eccentricities. We now know that Obama was lying: the hate speech and the heavy political overtones are part of the church’s doctrine.

  144. I Just wanted to give the group a boost.

    I just ran out to buy something at Walgreen’s When I pull in a parking space, I have the car covered with those Hillary signs that pull off.

    A young lady in the car next to me ask me where I got the signs. I ended up pull two off the side window and giving them to her.

    She is mad, she will not vote Democratic in the Fall if Hillary is not on top of the ticket. She said her Mother feels the same way.

    The emotions are deep. I don’t think the DNC has a clue.

  145. Berkeley: Of course he has been lying. That is what, sociopaths do. The church doctrine is Black Liberation Theology, which is hatred towards whites.

  146. Some comments from the Talk Left website’s users, about the new Trinity video:

    * That is unfreakin’ believable. Oh, please let Hannity get his hands on this one! BEFORE Saturday!

    * the Obama campaign will not be happy about this video and will try to suppress it – or make it disappear. They are trying to get a new base, this church was his old base.

    * If you find that there is “there is clearly something wrong at Trinity Church in Chicago” after only a few “sermons”, why should Obama be given a pass for embracing this “theology” for 20 years? The “reparations sermon” is just a political agitation which is what community organizers do, but the hateful personal attack on Hillary serves no political purpose – Obama has 95% of the AA vote – and a 527 showing this “sermon” will only hurt him in the GE.

    * is exactly what the republicans will use. Ugh. He’s going to be toast.

    * …in terms of “would this make me leave that church?”, yes. I do find it offensive. In this instance it’s simply insulting and presumptuous(to suggest that she was crying out of a sense of entitlement), but not necessarily sexist (or at least, that’s not really the thrust of the remarks).

    * it wasn’t a sense of general entitlement that was the problem…He described Clinton as feeling entitled to it by virtue of being White — and that here tears were because what she was entitled to because she was white was being “stolen by a black man.” I have no problem with ‘reparations’ and ‘responsibility’ talk. And talk about Clinton’s sense of ‘entitlement’ is just garden-variety Hillary-hate. Where this crossed the line was in its presentation of Clinton as thinking she was entitled because she sees the presidency as a “white entitlement”

  147. filbertsf Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    You’ll “step in,” Nancy? What the hell does that even mean. Stupid cow.

    =================================

    Great fodder for cartoonists!

  148. Paddy4Hill: thanks so much. I have the highest regard for you and am glad you liked it. If it makes a difference to sds it will have been worth all those redrafts.

    Informed in Illionis: you are so right. It is not over at all. Some of the fog has lifted and we have a clearer sense of the battlefield. All we need is a little luck. Incidentally, your letter to Pelosi is excellent. Suggest you send copies through dnc and her political office as well because I have had difficulty reaching her through that ameicangov website.

  149. An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades
    Culture War Warner Todd Huston, Featured Writer
    May 29, 2008

    I know some conservative Republicans who almost wouldn’t mind if Barack Obama does win the White House in November. Their theory is that once we as a nation elect a black man to the White House, that election will forever eliminate the claim that Americans are racist because we won’t elect a black man to that office. On its face, it seems a logical theory. In practice, however, it will not work. Not with this black man, not with Barack Obama. If Obama becomes president of the United States, his disastrous time in office will set race relations back 50 years.

    http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/huston/2008/05292008.htm

    First of all — and there is just no other way to way this — the man is a liar. He claims to want to solve our partisan strife, doesn’t he? He claims he wants to work with Congress instead of against the other party. He is supposedly the man of “change” and “hope.” If you do a web search for “Obama reach across the aisle” you’ll get thousands upon thousands of hits. The general perception that Obama has succeeded in fostering is that he does, indeed, want to “reach across the aisle.”

  150. There are real leaders and then there is the toastmaster from Illinois
    It is disturbing to be a liberal now. I make no excuses when I say this – 2008 has made me feel old. Watching the political party you’ve been a member of for 28 years self immolate in order to ensure the election of a Republican will do that to a man. I make no bones about calling the neo-liberal Obama Democrats what I truly believe they are:

    http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/05/there-are-real-leaders-and-then-there.html

  151. you know, i hate it when Karl Rove is right and i can truly say he’s telling the truth …….too weird!!! Is the universe upside down???

    Obama’s Revisionist History
    By KARL ROVE
    May 29, 2008; Page A15
    online.wsj.com/article/SB121201747075327643.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    This week’s minor controversy about Barack Obama’s claim that an uncle liberated Auschwitz was quickly put to rest by his campaign. They conceded that it was a great uncle whose unit liberated Buchenwald, 500 miles away.

    But other, much more troubling, episodes have provided a revealing glimpse into a candidate who instinctively resorts to parsing, evasions and misdirection. The saga over Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Exhibit A. In just 62 days, Americans were treated to eight different explanations.

    First, on Feb. 25, Mr. Obama downplayed Rev. Wright’s divisiveness, saying he was “like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don’t agree with.” A week later, Mr. Obama insisted, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial,” suggesting that Rev. Wright was criticized because “he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that.”

    The issue exploded on March 13, when ABC showed excerpts from Rev. Wright’s sermons. Mr. Obama’s spokesman said the senator “deeply disagrees” with Rev. Wright’s statements, but “now that he is retired, that doesn’t detract from Sen. Obama’s affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done.”

    The next day, Mr. Obama offered a fourth defense: “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.” Mr. Obama also told the Chicago Tribune, “In fairness to him, this was sort of a greatest hits. They basically culled five or six sermons out of 30 years of preaching.”

    Then, four days later, in Philadelphia, Mr. Obama finally repudiated Rev. Wright’s comments, saying they “denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation.” But Mr. Obama went on to say, “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother. . . .”

    Ten days later, Mr. Obama said if Rev. Wright had not retired as Trinity’s pastor, and “had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended . . . then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying there at the church.” (Never mind that Rev. Wright had made no such acknowledgment.)

    On April 28, at the National Press Club, Rev. Wright re-emerged – not to apologize but to repeat some of his most offensive lines. This provoked an eighth defense: “[W]hatever relationship I had with Rev. Wright has changed, as a consequence of this. I don’t think that he showed much concern for me. More importantly, I don’t think he showed much concern for what we are trying to do in this campaign . . . .” Self-interest is a powerful, but not noble, sentiment in politics.

    The Rev. Wright affair is just one instance where the Illinois senator has said something wrong or offensive, and then offered shifting explanations for his views. Consider flag pins.

    Mr. Obama told an Iowa radio station last October he didn’t wear an American flag lapel pin because, after 9/11, it had “became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues . . . .” His campaign issued a statement that “Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol.” To highlight his own moral superiority, he denigrated the patriotism of those who wore a flag.

    Yet by April, campaigning in culturally conservative Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama was blaming others for the controversy he’d created, claiming, “I have never said that I don’t wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins. This is the kind of manufactured issue that our politics has become obsessed with and, once again, distracts us . . . .” A month later Mr. Obama was once again wearing a pin, saying “Sometimes I wear it, sometimes I don’t.”

    The Obama revision tour has been seen elsewhere. Last July, Mr. Obama pledged to meet personally and without precondition, during his first year, the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. Criticized afterwards, he made his pledge more explicitly, naming Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Venezuela strongman Hugo Chávez as leaders he would grace with first-year visits.

    By October, Mr. Obama was backpedaling, talking about needing “some progress or some indication of good faith,” and by April, “sufficient preparation.” It got so bad his foreign policy advisers were (falsely) denying he’d ever said he’d meet with Mr. Ahmadinejad – even as he still defended his original pledge to have meetings without precondition.

    The list goes on. Mr. Obama’s problem is a campaign that’s personality-driven rather than idea-driven. Thus incidents calling into question his persona and character can have especially devastating consequences.

    Stripped of his mystique as a different kind of office seeker, he could become just another liberal politician – only one who parses, evades, dissembles and condescends. That narrative is beginning to take hold. If those impressions harden into firm judgments, Mr. Obama will have a very difficult time in November.

  152. Great article, djia. Karl Rove reminds me an evil villain who battles superheroes: you can’t stand the guy if you’re a Democrat, but you have to respect his brilliant political skills. Anyone who can get George Bush elected, not once, but twice, has got some serious talent.

    And he’s hitting Obama where he’s weakest: his integrity. Obama has offered a million different explanations for his membership in Trinity Church, and none of them make any sense and they’re all self-contradictory. Why is Obama STILL a member of this hate-spewing church? Even his own supporter, Oprah Winfrey, quit the church recently. And then we have the latest video, out today (where the preacher claims that Hillary feels entitled to the presidency because she’s white!!!), which proves that Trinity’s hate speech and heavy political involvement goes WAY beyond Jeremiah Wright.

  153. moonpluto: you it could be right. But to my untrained eye it looks more like enbalming fluid. No silver bullets, or cross necklesses please.

  154. Someone has shown me couple of sites –where some obama supporters are coming to all hill sites –spying —copying our comments –editing it and pasting it everywhere –making it sound like if we are racist or something .

    also i can not post it here but we have some people here who are transferring info to other obama people .

    pls pls

    pls

    pls

    pls

    pls
    pls
    pls

    whatever you guys /girls plan —go through ADMIN—AND do not post ur plans here —they (obamabots)are copying and distributing them and doing counter-actions to that

    ALSO-do not talk about how much money we raising —–i saw on 3 different website –they know everymove of us

    ALSO—OBAMA PEOPLE GOT SURVEY DONE AND WERE SAYING THAT —– we are only 317 bloggers here compare to 10,000 of dailykos

    they are blaming us for race-frauds and stuff

    NOW I KNOW -what OKKIE was talking about —–I AM SORRY OKKIE —–I JUST SAW THOSE PEOPLE,S WEBSITE ..THEY DID COPY MY COMMENTS AND MADE ISSUE OUT OF IT

    they are copying everyone,s comments like–djia-birdgal-1950democrat-NewMexicoFan-Berkeley Vox-rgb44hrc

    why i am posting these thing here –because i want them to know that — I KNOW

    AND I AM NOT AFRIAD ,AND NONE OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS ARE AFRAID

    ITS NOT US RACIST-but them being rude,sexist,arrogant,snitches,snobs,spoofers,and basic stupi

    these people have nothing better to do but copy us

  155. This excerpt from today’s WaPo article reminds me so much of Obama’s campaign promise to “clean up Washington” and his emphasis on uniting a divided country and reinventing politics, which is exactly the same platform that Bush ran on in 2000.

    It also reminds me how, in so many ways, the Clintons are the most honest politicians in America: they don’t apologize for being politicians. They aren’t embarrassed about being politicians. They don’t whine about the difficulties of their jobs, like Obama always does. They don’t whine about lobbyists’ constitutionally-protected right to free speech. They simply wake up and govern and work hard for the American people.

    ——
    “McClellan, who has been harshly condemned as a turncoat by some of his closest friends and former colleagues, said in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show that the book was intended to illustrate how a presidential candidate who vowed to change the culture of Washington failed to do so once he was elected.”

  156. ADMIN-

    you have my info, my e-mail address ,,

    i don,t know how to send you the info — can you pls give me instructions

    and i know we don,t have to give a damn about these losers but i saw some of the angry comments of ours passed on to dailykos —

    so pls tell me what to do
    i am kinda upset about it

    because we don,t spy on anybody . we don,t wish anybody ,s bad . we always talk about politics, we r not playing dirty like them

    tell me what i should do —plsssssssssss

  157. Berkeley Vox,

    Calm down. Who cares what those Obamabots are thinking. I’m going to see those bots whine like babies when their man loses in November.

    I have concluded for democrats to lose in Nov is perhaps even more valuable than for Hillary to squeak out a nomination win.

    The far leftists are just as dangerous as the right wingers. They need to be defeated before they can grab the power. Otherwise, we’ll see another George W. Bush for the next four years, except it’s our own George W. Bush.

  158. 1950democrat Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    Yes, we should be careful about posting things here that would help the bots.

    Is the private site over at Hillbill’s still active?

    NO-NO

    NOTHING IS PRIVATE — we have real trolls between us . i read some name over there .i am not gonna say it

    u have my e-mail address, if u want u can e-mail me .

    does anyone have OKKIE ,S E-MAIL address

    i need to apologize to her

    those trolls created fight here and succeede in reducing our joined efforts

  159. kostner Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    Berkeley Vox,

    Calm down. Who cares what those Obamabots are thinking. I’m going to see those bots whine like babies when their man loses in November.

    amen -i hope so

    HEY OBAMABOTS — copy this too and give it to dailykos –loosers –nothing else to talk about

  160. Sonia

    GOOD……..LET THEM COPY ME!! I WELCOME IT ! I ENCOURAGE IT!! THE MORE OF WHAT I POST AND OTHERS HERE
    IS SPREAD AROUND……..THE LESS WORK WE HAVE TO DO OUR SELVES 😀

    THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON THEY ARE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE………………………..FEAR

  161. OkieAtty is right: Sonia is a troll. In fact, there is evidence to prove it. Feel free to write me, admin, and I will explain. I recommend placing her on moderation immediately.

  162. djia Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    Sonia

    GOOD……..LET THEM COPY ME!! I WELCOME IT ! I ENCOURAGE IT!! THE MORE OF WHAT I POST AND OTHERS HERE
    IS SPREAD AROUND……..THE LESS WORK WE HAVE TO DO OUR SELVES

    THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON THEY ARE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE………………………..FEAR

    yup u r right

    thats anotherway tolook at it

    i did sign up yesterday with guy,s stupid blog –and i told him

    we don,t wish anybody bad -and we will always support hillary no matter what

  163. i don’t know if sonia is a troll……but i admit i have questioned it myself.

    sonia … please do not come here and hyper ventilate and try to instill FEAR with your “the bots are coming the bots are coming”

    we have nothing to fear from the bots quite the opposite in fact……. they have everything to fear from us!

  164. Hey guys whats going on? I just woke up and went over to No Quarter and watched that horrid video of the Priest of Hades! I am a Catholic and I have never seen a Priest act like that in my lifetime. I glad my mom is not here to see that! 👿

  165. I’m working on some other sites to try to defeat Obama…

    Here’s some bad or you can call good news for Obama and DNC.

    Two polls show Obama losing to McCain in Michigan by 4 points.

    McCain’s V.P. hunting team is to meet Alaska governor Sarah Palin, who is a very very attractive woman candidate. I’ll talk about this more later.

    If McCain picks up Sarah, it may well be the last straw to break Obama’s back. It will give Hillary’s many loyal women supporters another reason to jump on McCain bandwagon.

  166. Hillary Continues While Many Democrats Are Having Buyers Remorse With Obama

    ven as Barack Obama gets ever so closer to being the Democratic nominee, many Hillary Clinton fans are not sold on the Illinois Senator becoming their nominee, and are willing to fight to oppose it if it happens

    http://www.777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/hillary-continues-while-many-democrats-are-having-buyers-remorse-with-obama/

    its a republican site but interesting .they got obama figured out well.

  167. pulchritude Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    OkieAtty is right: Sonia is a troll. In fact, there is evidence to prove it. Feel free to write me, admin, and I will explain. I recommend placing her on moderation immediately.

    I have thought the same thing.

    Sonia, I don’t care about the kool-aid drinkers.

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  169. Sonia is not a troll. She has posted a lot of good stuff. I have corresponded with her in email.

    She is young and from a different culture (India) and English is her second language.

    This sort of accusation is not good for the board.
    Everyone does some handwringing occasionally. Sure eveyrone should calm down, but it doesnt’ mean they’re trolls.

    Sonia, have you tried hillaryclintonforum.net?

  170. YEAH

    I SIGNED UP .with hillforum ,,(tell me how)i need a place to vent my anger too.

    BUT I DON,T KNOW HOW TO POST COMMENT THERE

    i just want ADMIN TO –EITHER BLOCK ME –SO I CAN NOT POST NO MORE —–OR TELL ME HOW TO REACH HER/HIM /

    BECAUSE — okkie was right . when i used that bad word –they did make a issue out of it .

    i

    i am not trying to scare anybody .if anything – i get scared easily . so i was sharing these feelings with you guys .

    again i don,t have to prove anything to anybody – but i will -because now we got a lot those 400 hired bloggers /trolls to defeat .

  171. The only think Pelosi is going to step in is some dog doodoo if she screws up and installs the ratboat brigade in as the nominee!

  172. here is What i saw on thier blog —–pls take no offense -but just to prove why i was upset —

    Thursday, May 29, 2008
    Case closed

    Blue Democrat Says:
    May 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    wbboei,
    “When you think about it bambi is a real sack of sh*i*t.”

    hehe, I have thought about it, and can’t really disagree.
    I don’t know if he ever expected to get this far, but there the SOB was on my TV tonight saying he’s going to pronounce himself nominee next week, which should tell anyone with an ounce of knowledge about what’s really going on how fucking immature he is.
    **
    BTW, if you haven’t already, check out Hill’s PDF to SD’s.

    It is Case Closed.

    1950democrat Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    If anyone has money to donate to help the protests, I suggest hiring a helicopter to fly around and get good film of the crowds. Or at least have some experienced camera people with good equipment in surrounding skyscrapers to document the crowds and the action.

    Webcams?

    I’ve got a better idea – how about a blimp?

    All of us lurkers out here would really like it a lot if you all hired a blimp.

    THIS IS WHAT I SAW —-THIS IS JUST 1%OF IT

    Post a Comment On: Meet the Hill Hags”Hill Hags need to hire a blimp”
    5 Comments – Show Original Post
    Collapse comments

    Anonymous said…
    Haha yeah, let them hows know. Hopefully they and Hillary will learn to shut their wh***ore mouths when President Obama is speaking on January 20th next year

    May 29, 2008 2:17 AM

    Gobama said…
    1. “Clinton campaign takes the moral high ground.” — Since when have they ever done that?

    2. Anonymous. Could you be more sexist if you tried? You don’t speak for this Obama supporter.

    May 29, 2008 3:34 AM

    Anonymous said…
    If attracting a troll is a sign of popularity (see the other anonymous poster above) you have now hit the big time.

    BTW: I love your blog!

    May 29, 2008 3:46 AM

    Anonymous said…
    the person hoping for 3 million Hillary votes out of PR would be well served to check a almanac- seriously, the Island has around 4 million total people.
    -Socraticsilence

    May 29, 2008 3:49 AM

    Anonymous said…
    A friend of mine known for taunting “famous people” got a reservation for the meeting on Saturday. I expect many photographs of hags and recordings of their inane blather.

    Man I can’t WAIT to review that set of tapes.

    May 29, 2008 10:31 AM

  173. Sonia, as a very famous person once said, “The only thing to fear, is fear itself.” I don’t think, people on this board are afraid of the bots.

  174. 1950

    U STILL HAVE MY E-MAIL ADD

    PLS E-MAIL ME
    I LOST URS

    or give me urs
    i will e-mail you

    thx

  175. birdgal Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
    Sonia, as a very famous person once said, “The only thing to fear, is fear itself.” I don’t think, people on this board are afraid of the bots.

    I AGREE

    MY POINT WAS NOT TO BE AFRAID —

    but just not to post ur undraising plans,or other plane here so openely .

    they countering every effort of ours ..

    also 2 weeks ago i used a racist word ,on this blog (i was pissed at michelle )( i regretted it and apologized for it on this blog)

    but obamabots ignored the apology and only copied my racist remark –passed it on to DAILYKOS ,,AND TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE OF US LOOK BAD

    i had learned my lesson right there -right then ,,but i just saw this stuff now —

    so i wanted to share with you guys

  176. I have had my suspicions about SONIA, she is a BOT. Please do not give her any information.

    There is another one, but I have not seen him/her for a while.

    Keep up the good work REAL HILLFANS!

    NO SURRENDER! Not even to dirty tricks.

  177. 1950Dem, you sure about that? I trust Okie’s judgment.

    I do miss Okie and her infamous expletives. So many have come and gone…

  178. Hillmeister, is it h a l l o w?

    This is odd… when I try to type in H A L L O W my post doesn’t appear. I just made 3 posts and it didnt’ show up.

  179. Here is the perfect hennie youngman one liner rejoiner to the self serving legal opinion by the DNC. It happens to be one of the 16 maxims of equity derived from the kings conscience at the time of merlyn and king arthur:

    16. EQUITY DELIGHTS TO DO JUSTICE AND THAT NOT BY HALVES.

  180. sonia is not a troll, you all need to calm down, I have been on this site forever and saw when this name came on. I am quite sure she is fine.

  181. wbboei Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    Sonia is okay in my book.

    hawk Says:

    May 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
    sonia is not a troll, you all need to calm down, I have been on this site forever and saw when this name came on. I am quite sure she is fine.

    thx
    u can ask ADMIN —

  182. I hope a lot of our people show up to protest saturday, I work, wish I could go out there, I live in Iowa, so not an option, but I am jealous of those going 🙂

  183. Obama is a Propoganda machine and puppet pure and simple. There are alot of similarities to he and W…he’s not really that liberal…his economic policies ring of right wing privatization of SS, no universal health care, and major benefits to Wall Street on the backs of working class. Actually it is somewhat Marxist, which his church is also.His Church hates the middle class. They support either working class or elite..not the middle. He was a protege at Columbia of Brezinski who sees Obama as the last chance for isolating China and a major war with Russia – something that will isolate us more than the neocons…Wall Street owns the media and Obama…The surface picture is a nice unifying guy that has no experience, gaffes and blunders and he’s Black and has made it.. Beneath the surface lurks a megolomaniac who will be run by some truly scary forces. Brezinski found a stoolie with Carter, Obama has been mentored by this guy at Columbia…Brezinski is also experienced in starting mass “color” movements in other countries in order to bring about major realignment. What has been covered on Obama is all window dressing. This is a guy who will definitely change things – but it will be to the country’s detriment. The MSM has distracted the country again on total BS, just like it did on W and Iraq. We would be better off with McCain and majority of Dems in Congress than this nut job – Obama. Blacks really are just being used here as are youth. Youth have been an important part of these types of movements harkening back to Hitler and Stalin.

  184. rgb 44: if Novak’s account can be trusted then our camp has rejected bambis demand for unconditional surrender. He is a fool to have pushed it. It is a mark of his arrogance and his naivetee. Surely now he regrets his decision to go nuclear on an innocent comment. A floor fight is justified and a failure to fully seat florida and michigan guarantees it. Can you imagine placing the fate of the country in the hands of someone like this? It would be madness. Ted Kennedy should have chosen his successor more wisely.

  185. sonia and others,

    my email is 1950democrat/at/gmail/com

    I think it’s safe to post it because I’ve been posting it for a while and had no spam problem. Gmail seems to have good spam control.

    Also it is not connected to my real identity, I was careful about that.

    Aside from using one ill-advised word (English is her 2nd language and the word isn’t a common expletive or anything), I haven’t seen any negative content from sonia. She has postd much good and useful information. Often when people ask a question she looks up the answer and posts it.

    Just because her style is different doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with her motives. We need to be receptive to young people instead of prejudiced toward them.

    sonia, I’m not sure about exactly how to post at hillaryclintonforum.net either. I’ve got some posts up but it is confusing.

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