Hillary Clinton Wins – Barack Obama Is Unelectable

Update: The Rules Committee registration process is closed. Apparently they chose too small a room for Democrats to attend. [We added a video below.] If you are one of the many excluded by the Rules Committee’s too small venue join us outside the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel – Let the Rules Committee hear our voices from outside.
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Today is the first day to register for the May 31, 2008 Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting of the Democratic? National Committee.

REGISTER (LINK HERE)

The Rules Committee meeting will be at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel. The meeting is open to the public. The Committee insists you pre-register if you want to attend.

The arguments, pro and con voting rights for Florida and Michigan will take place in the morning session.

REGISTRATION started on-line today. You may also call 202-479-5137 to register.

Hillary Clinton supporters will be at the Rules Committee meeting to uphold the voting rights of Florida and Michigan voters. Obama supporters will argue the Bush 2000 position that Florida (and Michigan) voters don’t count.

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Help Hillary – Make phonecalls to Montana and South Dakota.

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Florida and Michigan and Hillary and Hillary supporters will not be silenced by the Democratic? National Committee and assorted self-interested politicians and misogynists.

Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to “push and pressure and bully” superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

“I can’t believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out,” Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested some were trying to “cover up” Sen. Clinton’s chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election.

” ‘Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.’ “

Bill Clinton is right. Democrats want Hillary. Obama is unelectable.

The former president added that his wife had not been given the respect she deserved as a legitimate presidential candidate.

She is winning the general election today and he is not, according to all the evidence,” Clinton said. “And I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running.” [snip]

“If you notice, there hasn’t been a lot of publicity on these polls I just told you about,” he said. “It is the first time you’ve heard it? Why do you think that is? Why do you think? Don’t you think if the polls were the reverse and he was winning the Electoral College against Senator McCain and Hillary was losing it, it would be blasted on every television station?”

He added, “You would know it wouldn’t you? It wouldn’t be a little secret. And there is another Electoral College poll that I saw yesterday had her over 300 electoral votes. … She will win the general election if you nominate her. They’re just trying to make sure you don’t.”

Bill Clinton ain’t ta foolin’. Obama is unelectable.

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320 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Wins – Barack Obama Is Unelectable

  1. admin,

    thats why the clintons have us…
    we will not go out without a fight!

    what obama’s campaign doesnt get, is, what they do to the clintons, they do to her people…
    only an idiot screws with us, and thinks that we’ll just walk away with our heads down…
    not going to happen…

  2. From previous thread

    rgb44hrc Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    We need to take a look at who is up for re-election, and start targeting those seats with either Dem alternatives, research the Republican alternative, or withhold our support.
    ———————————————
    Yes! Print and circulate the list in our communities, leave fliers at markets, post offices, etc.,email them to every Clinton supporter we know in each state and ask them to forward. The lead at the top of the page needs to say only: “Clinton Supporters, these are the Democratic officials who have favored Obama. Remember them when they are facing re-election.

    Name….Public Office…Date of Next Election
    So n so State Rep ….. Nov 2008 or whatever

  3. Exactly, skmf12. We take our cues from Hillary and Bill and they know we won’t let them down. This is the closest primary race in American history and many other primaries, which weren’t remotely as close as this one by comparison, were decided at the convention. So for Hillary to take this fight all the way to Denver — ESPECIALLY when two CRUCIAL swing states, FL and MI, have been unfairly disenfranchised (4 other states moved their primaries, but with no punishment) is the only logical path forward.

    By the time we get to Denver, the media will have been forced to vet Obama once and for all, now that the Republicans are beginning to point out his obvious flaws, and as poll after poll proves that he’s unelectable. All the whining and hand-wringing from Obama and Axelrod and Gibbs can’t change the facts.

  4. The DNC has already slammed the door on registration, but same-day registration is still possible:

    “We are sorry but we have reached our capacity Please read below about limited same-day registration.

    A meeting of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will take place at 9:30AM on May 31, 2008 at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, DC. This meeting is open to the public, however due to space constraints, guests are being asked to pre-register their attendance.”

    Pre-registration has now closed but limited same day registration will be available. Same-day guest credentials will be distributed on a first-come first-serve basis and are limited to one (1) per person. Individuals with a same day credential will be permitted into the meeting room as space permits.

    In order to maintain the decorum of the meeting, banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind are strictly prohibited. Also, please be advised that the agenda for the meeting does not include time for questions from the general public.

  5. admin, thanks for posting this.

    I learned a long time ago to listen to Bill Clinton. He tells you what’s going on.

    I’ll listen to him and not to the nay-sayers.

  6. tm’s site is bubbling. maybe she is telling the truth but i still believe that hillary will win

  7. What are they really afraid of? If Obama and his surrogates at the MSM think this thing is over, what in god’s name are they afraid of by letting every single vote count!!! This party unity crap is a red herring used to further distort and twist the record. There will never be unity until Hillary is given the same rights every other candidate would expect when she is leading in popular vote, electoral votes, head to head match up with McCain, and has dominated this race more or less since after the Obama 12 caucus run which proved how undemocratic the whole process was. The more they protest, the more it makes me wonder what they are trying to hide….god bless Bill for “telling it like it is”.

  8. # Berkeley Vox Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    The DNC has already slammed the door on registration, but same-day registration is still possible. “We are sorry but we have reached our capacity Please read below about limited same-day registration.

    A meeting of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will take place at 9:30AM on May 31, 2008 at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, DC. This meeting is open to the public, however due to space constraints, guests are being asked to pre-register their attendance.”

    Pre-registration has now closed but limited same day registration will be available. Same-day guest credentials will be distributed on a first-come first-serve basis and are limited to one (1) per person. Individuals with a same day credential will be permitted into the meeting room as space permits.

    In order to maintain the decorum of the meeting, banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind are strictly prohibited. Also, please be advised that the agenda for the meeting does not include time for questions from the general public.
    &&&&&

    I hardly think I am alone in thinking that this will be:

    a. fair
    b. transparent

    “does not include time for questions from the general public”.

    I’ve been to enough of these type meetings at the county level (in NJ, Warren County had meetings regarding the incinerator, and it was the whole kangaroo court that you’d expect) to be extremely “realistic” about what is about to go down.

    I’m not saying we give up. Just that we’re going to have to take notes about what transpired, how the decisions were arrived at, and be ready to take this evidence up to an appeals committee, to court, etc. But when we have so many party heads calling for “unity” (read, “Hillary, give up, and support Obama, and by the way, tell all your 17 million plus voters to show him some love in November”), you can guess that they’re not going to be even handed.

    For instance, Obama should get zero delegates for MI. He took his name off the ballot, to appease Iowans. He probably should be punished 100% for FL for breaking the rule (“2008 Delegate Selection Rules for the Democratic National Convention, Rule C. 1. b.):

    A candidate who campaigns in a state …in violation of the timing provisions…may not receive…delegate votes from that state….”Campaigning” … includes purchasing print, internet, or electronic advertising that reaches a significant [part] of the state”.

    &&&&
    Ahem, THE RULES ARE THE &%$^#&@ RULES”.

    Now DNC, enforce them. If you don’t, we’ll make you. We have lawyers.

  9. Correction/ clarification:

    I hardly think I am alone in thinking that this will be NOT:

    a. fair
    b. transparent

  10. Anyone else catch “Recount” over the weekend on HBO? It’s fantastic. It’s eerie to be reminded just how much can go wrong when Floridians — or anyone else — are disenfranchised and votes aren’t counted. Here we are, 8 years on, and now it’s the DNC who wants to do the disenfranchising.

    Here’s a well-written review from Tom Shales of WaPo:

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    ‘Recount’: Still Too Close for Comfort
    But 8 Years Later, There’s A Clear Winner: Viewers

    By Tom Shales
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, May 25, 2008; M01

    There’s something especially satisfying about a can’t-miss proposition that doesn’t — partly because so many hugely ballyhooed “sure things” instead land with ignominious splats. A splat is precisely what does not happen with HBO’s “Recount,” an electrifying slapstick tragedy about a mad moment in American politics, a moment that must never happen again but easily could.

    An estimable assemblage of talents come together to revisit the bangs and whimpers that brought the 2000 presidential election to a herky-jerky, ludicrous close and installed George W. Bush rather than Al Gore in the White House. It was a flash that went by in a blur, so stupefyingly surrealistic that it seemed it couldn’t really be happening. But it was, it really was, and the results still reverberate.

    Placed under a figurative high-def microscope and examined studiously but at a riveting pace, “Recount” recounts in brisk and crisp docudrama style how Gore was pushed aside even after winning the national popular vote — a defeat marked by bungling, bumbling and seemingly malicious mischief in the state of Florida. The film is a clarifying cautionary tale that concedes both that full clarification is probably impossible and that cautionary warnings could well go unheeded as early as November.

    There are so many lessons to be learned, but there is so little precedent for the proverbial powers that be actually learning them.

    Here was a pivotal, crucial event in the life of the country and yet, the film ruefully relates, it was handled with all the finesse and expertise of the Keystone Kops working for Barnum & Bailey. At the end, Bush honcho James Baker declares that all’s well and that “the system works,” and what’s obviously lacking is a voice from the throng shouting out a rhetorical, “You call that working ?!”

    If the mess in Florida had been resolved with as much skill and savvy as went into the making of the movie, the world might be a different place today — presumably a better one, although no one can say for sure.

    Little or nothing is ever accomplished by games of what-if, but it’s hard to resist speculating how history, and not just political history, might have been different since the year 2000 with regard to such monumental events as the reaction to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11; response to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina; and the war in Iraq, including whether there would have been one and whether a single American life would have been lost.

    Writer Danny Strong tells the story with enviable skill and artful urgency. He makes such a good case for the seriousness of the situation — even though it is laced with self-satirizing farce — that some viewers might want to ask him, “Where were you eight years ago?” The film would have had a perhaps more practical, tangible effect if done closer to the time of the imbroglio depicted.

    One obvious problem with that kind of theorizing is that it’s not Strong’s job — nor that of director Jay Roach (who, appropriately or not, also did the three nutty “Austin Powers” pictures) — to write a prescription for reform or even to help fix whatever is broken. The filmmakers put the story up there on the screen, with its alternately hideous and hilarious details skillfully articulated, and they certainly cast megawatts of illuminating light, but it’s up to the audience what to do with it.

    The filmmakers’ first-and-foremost responsibility is provocatively, meaningfully and troublingly fulfilled: Entertain the viewing audience and give it something to think about, although even just thinking about it, much less reliving it, might strike some people as simply too punishingly dismal.

    The story is told not through the eyes of either Bush or Gore (barely glimpsed as portrayed by actors, but portrayed by themselves in intermingled news footage) but through those of Ron Klain, a Gore campaign worker who formerly served as the vice president’s chief of staff. This was one of the filmmakers’ inspired strokes, partly because Klain is depicted not as a wildly passionate Gore adorer but instead as a man caught up in a rogue wave that he then tries to navigate.

    When we first meet Klain, in fact, he is chafing at what he considers an inadequate and insulting job offer that Gore, through an intermediary, has offered him. Klain considers it slim reward for years of faithful service. It’s thus somehow more dramatic, and ironic, when Klain finds himself in charge of the desperate effort to get Florida votes recounted, a measure prompted by a tremendous number of irregularities in the final tally and one that he and others felt could very well put Gore in the White House.

    Kevin Spacey — just one member of an unusually prominent and impressive cast — plays Klain as a man with nuances and complexities that wouldn’t be there if Klain had simply been the undoubting true believer, an update of, say, the idealistic congressman James Stewart played in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.” Actually, the kind of hard-edged operative that Spacey plays has been a character in several politically themed movies of much more recent vintage, but Spacey brings something new and distinctive to what might have been a stereotype.

    Prepare yourself for a torrent of wickedly good performances: the casually astonishing Tom Wilkinson as James Baker III, leader of the Bush brigade; Ed Begley Jr. as wily Gore lawyer David Boies; John Hurt as excessively stately Gore ally Warren Christopher; Bob Balaban as pious Bush worker Ben Ginsberg; and, spectacularly, Laura Dern as Katherine Harris, the ill-equipped Florida secretary of state thrust to the forefront of history, empowered beyond her wildest dreams and way, way beyond her competence.

    The casting is impeccable, and the makeup masterfully done, right down to the smallest of the dozens of roles. It’s a minor but distinct pleasure to discover, as Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, the veteran TV character actor William Schallert. He looks more like a justice than most of the current justices do.

    “Recount” is also an exercise in a perverse kind of nostalgia. Exhumed from memory are such terms and phrases as “chad” (the plural of which, we are told, is “chad”), dimpled chad, hanging chad, hand counts and machine counts, and a notorious “purge list” of convicted felons who were to be turned away from the polls as ineligible to vote — a provision that scandalously extended even to those who merely had names similar to the ex-cons, especially, it appears, if they were members of an ethnic minority likely to vote for Gore.

    We hear again Bush on the phone with Gore at the moment Gore decided, suddenly, not to concede the election after all, and Gore childishly telling Bush not to “get snippy about it.” In this scene, Bush is played by look-alike Brent Mendenhall, but usually when we see Bush, it’s the real Bush in video from the archive of CNN or some other news organization. As Gore, Grady Couch is seen mainly from the back, especially in an overdone scene in which a limping aide follows him down a hallway, feebly shouting important news.

    The movie is not framed as the story of the noble, virtuous Gore forces being undone by corrupt Bushniks. Gore and his team made their share of mistakes both major and minor; in the former category, naming Warren Christopher to head up their campaign for a recount. Christopher is pretentiously determined to take the high road (“Chaos will not help our cause”) and to view the struggle in grandly historical terms, even as Baker is rolling up his sleeves and getting ready for a fight that he knows could get down and dirty.

    In an instance of stark contrast, Roach cuts from Baker telling his staff, “I want to file a lawsuit . . . as quickly as possible” to Christopher saying with bizarre finality, “Absolutely no lawsuit” would be filed by the Gore side. It was like a heavyweight champion doing battle with a devout pacifist.

    Fortunately for Gore and the film, Christopher’s stepping aside clears the way for Klain to take over. The job is full of maddening frustrations; for every little victory, there is an equal-size, or larger, defeat. The twists, turns, setbacks and windfalls become almost comically unceasing, and there’s an irony around every corner, as when Ginsberg, portrayed by Balaban as absurdly sanctimonious, anticipates a Bush victory: “The stains of Bill Clinton will be washed away,” he says, “and honor and dignity will be restored to the White House.”

    Right. If any old stains were washed away, there would be plenty of new stains to replace them.

    Dern has one of the best roles of her career as Harris, who seemed so preposterous in her TV appearances at the time that Dern’s task is really to show as much restraint as possible — to play Harris, who wallowed in the spotlight more than any contestant ever on “American Idol,” more credibly than Harris did. Even Baker, rooting for the blatantly pro-Bush Harris, moans, “This woman is hopeless.”

    The lesser details are important, too, in bringing the era back; amid all the cynicism and cunning, it’s somehow warmly reassuring to see Dan Rather in his anchor chair again and using such Ratherisms as “crackling like a hickory fire” and “madder than a rained-on rooster.” Some things are, almost amazingly, better now than they were then.

    The authenticity of the film may not be beyond reproach, but its version of events certainly deserves the benefit of a doubt, especially considering the impeccability of consultants who vetted the script — among them Jeffrey Toobin, author of “Too Close to Call,” and David Von Drehle, Time editor at large, who wrote “Deadlock: The Inside Story of America’s Closest Election.” Of course, one has to allow for the possibility that HBO hired these and other authors as consultants so it wouldn’t have to shell out larger amounts to buy the rights to their books. But that would almost be looking this gift horse in the mouth, and as gift horses go, this one’s in a league with Big Brown.

    And yet. Although “Recount” is a smashing success on almost every level, it’s also a brutally disheartening experience for the story it tells. It’s history with a vengeance, tumbling out at you in a way that demands attention, no matter how badly you may want to withhold it — a trip down a Memory Lane full of potholes, roadblocks, fender benders and dreadful, bloody crashes.

    Recount (two hours) premieres tonight at 9 on HBO.

  11. okay, just came back from taylor marshs, sorry but i must respectfully say she has drank the koolaide…
    she’s posted a defeatest article, than in her comments, she says hillary should not go past may 31st for the good of the party…

    ADMIN.,
    you on the other hand, ‘you Rock’, you have been a ‘Fighter’ since back in the day, if all we hear is true… THANK YOU!

    so i left this comment over there…

    TAYLOR,

    i’ve visited here daily for the last year, though i call other places home.
    i so enjoy your people here, and love their dedication to hillary…

    I MUST SAY I AM SURPRIZED BY YOU THOUGH…
    of all people on your sight to lose their faith and their fight, i never thought it would be you.

    respectfully taylor, you may have lost your faith, but your bloggers i think will keep on fighting. many here know, nothing is won, if you cant find the stregth to push it thru the finish line.

    THIS IS PERSONAL NOW, and it isnt just about hillary anymore, its about the democratic party.
    its about OUR obligation, to fight and get OUR PARTY back again…

    would you have our childrens world, be some bizarre ‘new world order’?
    NO…
    this is a turning point in history, and we all better be on the right side of it…

  12. just bc it is an uphill battle it does not mean it cannot be won. tm ust the other day said we will fight all the ay. then today its like-well this si about over. confusing.

  13. All of this whining from nervous-nelly liberals about lack of party “unity” if Hillary fights on until she wins in Denver is laughable. Basically, “unity” is the new euphemism for “shut up and support Obama.”

    Why would clear-headed Democrats support an unelectable candidate? Look at every poll: doing the electoral math, Obama won’t beat McCain in November. Hillary will. It’s as clear as day.

  14. skmf and basil

    I didn’t realize that a new article was up , so i have been over on the old thread talking to myself LOL

    anyways…….i sent you both a invite to the private group 😀

  15. skmf

    I can’t say i’m shocked by TM seen hints of it coming for a few weeks in her posts

    did she drink the kool aid? or maybe she has been threatened like hannity and others
    who post against “The One”

  16. admin,

    can you tell your friend over a tm, she needs to have a stiff drink, and suck it up?
    she’s posted an article from ‘the hotline’, that tells obamabots, to stop calling for hillary to get out of the race, but instead write to all the supers befor may 31st, and tell them they wont support her,,,

    SHEESH !!!

  17. dija,

    i always talk to myself, is there something wrong with that? 🙂

    oh good, i thought i was persona non grata…
    thank you…

  18. No matter what happens on 5/31, I believe HRC has a solild reason, 17 million of them, to go forward all the way to the convention.

    People like Taylor Marsh and Paul Krugman have their reputations to think about, and don’t want to see all out intra-party warfare.

    However, other MSM types who have been PrObama would support him if he was so narrowly behind, as Clinton is, on ONE MEASUREMENT, pledged delegates. They’d be all over it, saying, “While Obama won’t be able to catch Clinton in pledged dels, she won’t be able to clinch it without a floor fight. This is a most amazing point in history”.

    We’re fighting on.

  19. Oh, BTW, the intraparty war was started by Obama & Cabal, who fanned the race-baiting flames.

    If they think that’s all in the past, and that it’s time for a Group Hug, they’ve got a whole new reality to wake up to in the morning.

  20. berkerly vox, i have to say the character that played harris is much more atracttive than the real harris.

  21. i have been trying to find recent polls of puerto rico but unable to. i hope hillary wins by 20 points there to pump up her popular vote margin.

  22. SORRY…

    i asked larry at NO QUARTER, if he had any rumor of the supers and other hillary supporters, having harm and blackmail threats used against them. it just seems too weird, that some of hillarys dedicated people have gone over to the dark side.

    if ob’s radical connections, have made contact with them, wouldnt that be a homeland security issue, as well as FBI, CIA, and others?

    seriously, i hope someone makes that million dollar breaking story, that uncovers this mystery…

  23. Yep. It’s kind of us-vs-the-world right now, but isn’t that always the way when you’re a Clinton fan? 😀

    The DNC and the Obama-bots are desperate to have Hillary quit the race, because they know that the longer she stays in, the more Obama is going to drop in the polls as the GOP attacks and media vetting both begin.

    The Republicans are desperate to have Hillary quit the race, because they know she’ll win in the fall, and they want to begin unleashing all the dirt they have on Obama as soon as possible, so that they can define him early.

    We all need to take a deep breath, hang in there, and keep calling and doing what we’re doing. You can’t win if you don’t campaign.

  24. Berkeley Vox Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Yep. It’s kind of us-vs-the-world right now, but isn’t that always the way when you’re a Clinton fan?
    &&&&&&

    When defining who “us” is, Obamabots would like the whole world to think that a few hundred “Hillary Sociopaths” are the only ones who are “mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any more”.

    But even MSM is reporting that only 74% of Dems will support Obama. Kerry got 86% and lost in 2004.

    19% say they will vote for McCain. 7% say they’ll support “something else”. That’s a WHOLE LOT MORE than a few hundred activists.

  25. BERKLEY,

    correct, but you know whats amazing?
    who cares?
    i have never seen so many women, minorities, whites, poor and working class people so riled up…

    i am both proud, and deeply moved by the deep committment, and loyalty, the everyday people are displaying in this election.
    who would have thought so many, would stand up and say:

    ‘ENOUGH IS ENOUGH’ !!!

  26. And yeah, 19% defection means Obama loses in a LANDSLIDE. He’d be lucky to hold onto Illinois.

    And that’s at this point, before the Republican Slime Machine swings into action.

    (“Aw, gee, they wouldn’t do THAT. That is so pre-post-partisan”.). IDIOTS!

  27. djia,

    no actually, but he does have connections you know…

    oh and i guess i didnt get an invite, maybe i’ll do a dummy site so i can just post it here for you, what do you think?

  28. Another Gaffe by the “Big Dummy”

    Zombie Time!… Obama Sees Dead People at New Mexico Speech (Video)
    Is it Memorial Day or Halloween?…
    The gaffe master is now seeing dead people in his audience.

    And, the Barack Obama Campaign actually posted video of this latest Obama gaffe on YouTube.

    This time Barack Obama is seeing America’s fallen heroes in his audience in New Mexico:
    (First 10 seconds)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8YaR3JEkE

    Spooky!
    Barack Obama opens up his Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico:

    On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
    Let’s hope that he didn’t see any fallen heroes in the audience!
    Add, this to the growing list of Obama gaffes.

    But… Although the video is posted on YouTube the gaffe was scrubbed from his website.
    Here is the report on his speech today:

    The Obama website scrubbed the “dead people in the audience” from his speech:

    On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes, our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
    Alakazam! No more dead people.

    Power Line has more on Obama’s shameful attacks on the Commander in Chief and attempts to politicize Memorial Day.

    TigerHawk has more thoughts on the latest victim class.
    Kate adds: “Raising the dead- Is there nothing Obama can’t do?”

    Oh, this is good…
    Barry Rubin explains: “Hey, he’s from Chicago and no doubt he’s expecting them to vote for him!”

  29. Taylor has been good to us and to Hillary. One of only a handful of blogs dedicated to supporter HRC.

    But Taylor is a dye-in-the-wool Democrat who wants to defeat McCain in 2008. As I said before, she’s an ally today, but if BO gets the nomination, those of us who have decided not to vote for him will not find a friend in her.

  30. Review the following sites, they tell a good story. Compare Hillary vs McCain to Obama vs McCain!!
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/
    http://hominidviews.com/

    Also, I looked at RCP, and noticed in the National polls for the Presidental race, Obama has been trending downward, in the last 3 polls; he tied once with McCain and lost by 3pts. in the other two. Where as Hillary in the last 3 polls has been steady, wining all 3 by 3pts or 4pts. So, the DNC can’t ignore this (can they?)

  31. Okay, I will try it again! Read the following sites, they tell a good story. Compare the race between Hillary/McCain to Obama/McCain.

    http://www.hominidviews.com
    http://www.electoral-vote.com

    Also, I was looking over at RCP and reviewed the National Poll numbers for the Presidental Race. In the Obama vs McCain, he has been trending downward; in the last three races he tied one and lost by 3 in the last two. Where as Hillry vs McCain, she has won all three polls by 3or 4pts

  32. skmf12 Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
    admin,

    thats why the clintons have us…
    we will not go out without a fight!

    what obama’s campaign doesnt get, is, what they do to the clintons, they do to her people…
    only an idiot screws with us, and thinks that we’ll just walk away with our heads down…
    not going to happen

    Skmf12

    I am so with you on this. I second all of this

  33. The MSM -CNN MSNBC FOX do not report the news.Thy shape the news they edit the news they target the news.With all their boasting about balance,truth,fairness,they don’t pass the smell test.It is difficult to find a network that does pass the smell test.Even C-Span-Funded by the MSM,manages to do their bidding.Notice little Hillary coverage and often on the air after midnight.It is frustrating to listen to news and have to hold one’s nose.NO matter how you look at it,it is still a CONSPIRACY,A VERY VERY DANGEROUS ONE.

    BY ABM90 YOU ARE THE ONE HILLARRY and it will happen if we all pull for you and speak out loud and clear.

  34. Can anyone give me the link for “if not Hillary, then McCain”. I found two more signers while I was in the Operating Room. Please post it, so I can email!

  35. noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/27/lou-dobbs-has-declared-war-on-barack-obama/

    go and read the comment section for clues to what Lou had to say today on his radio show about Obama

    it’s awesome!!! 😀

    I now can’t wait to see Lou tonight on CNN!!!!

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    Ben Smith @ politico writes
    Soldiers in the family
    CBS and the Washington Post yesterday reported that Obama had cited an uncle who, according to family lore, was among those who liberated Auschwitz.
    As a conservative blogger points out, that’s unlikely: The Red Army liberated Auschwitz, which is in southern Poland.
    The line isn’t in the campaign’s version of Obama’s speech, so it appears to have come up in the Q&A. I’ve asked the Obama campaign for a clarification.
    UPDATE: RNC spokesman Alex Conant goes on the attack:
    Barack Obama’s dubious claim is inconsistent with world history and demands an explanation. It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there’s no way Obama’s statement yesterday can be true. Obama’s frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief.

    Obama Campaign Banks Superdelegates
    By Marc Ambinder
    27 May 2008 09:08 am
    In June of 1984, the day after California handed Gary Hart a last-minute victory and New Jersey, thanks to Hart’s having insulted the state, voted for Walter Mondale by 15 points, Tad Devine, Mondale’s chief superdelegate counter, was ready. Worried that Mondale would not meet his pledge to end the primary season with a majority of delegates, Devine and his team made a “frantic” series of phone calls to undeclared party leaders; by noon, a few dozen superdelegates endorsed Mondale en masse, taking the wind of out Hart’s campaign forever.
    Neither the Clinton nor the Obama campaign is clear what the DNC’s rules and bylaws committee will do on May 31; depending upon how or whether they re-allocate delegates, Obama could wind up within to 20 to 30 votes of the nomination — a situation rectifiable by a piddling performance in Puerto RIco, South Dakota and Montana — or more than 100 delegates short, requiring solid performances in those states plus a few dozen superdelegate endorsements to put him over the top.
    ********* next paragraph is the best part of this article!! Seems they are starting to acknowledge the 2210 number!!!************
    To prepare for that eventuality, the Obama campaign has, for the first time, really, begun to bank delegates. Sources close to the campaign estimate that as many as three dozen Democratic superdelegates have privately pledged to announce their support for Obama on June 4 or 5. The campaign is determined that Obama not end the first week in June without securing the support of delegates numbering 2026 — or 2210, as the case may be.

  36. Ok…….i just posted and it didn’t show up? i didn’t have any links that would not go thru the filter

    so… i tried it again, and it didn’t go through either……i am sure that both will show up as a double post…sorry!

    until it does show up………BE SURE TO WATCH LOU DOBBS GO OFF ON BO TONIGHT!!

  37. skmf

    I got your email thru admin, I have to tell you i have gotten your emails and i have sent you a link like 4 times now

    I will try to email you directly from yahoo to your hotmail account.

  38. Message sent:

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  39. This is probably the same level of egregiousness as Hillary’s sniper-fire comment, but since it’s Obama, I’m sure it won’t dominate the headlines for 6 days:

    ———
    politico.com
    Obama’s World War II history

    Earlier, the Republican National Committee pounced on Obama’s improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

    In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and, according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

    The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama’s grandmother’s brother, who’s still alive.

    UPDATE: “Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,” Burton says.

    UPDATE: RNC spokesman Alex Conant, who said earlier that Obama’s mistake raised questions about his “readiness to lead”, moderates a bit: “At times it appears that Barack Obama inaccurately recalls his own history and American history, so it’s important that we point to the facts. In this case, we’re happy to see that he took the time to set the record straight.”

  40. I was reading again where the resko trial had to adjorn against today because someone had a job interview. The jury is asking for short days and off days. It has been 10 since the trial has rested its case and the jury has worked a total of 6 days. I think this jury is paid off!!

  41. —————-
    GOP strategists mull McCain ‘blowout’
    By: David Paul Kuhn
    May 24, 2008 05:24 PM EST

    It sounds crazy at first. Amid dire reports about the toxic political environment for Republican candidates and the challenges facing John McCain, many top GOP strategists believe he can defeat Barack Obama — and by a margin exceeding President Bush’s Electoral College victory in 2004.

    At first blush, McCain’s recent rough patch and the considerable financial disadvantage confronting him make such predictions seem absurd. Indeed, as Republicans experience their worst days since Watergate, those same GOP strategists are reticent to publicly tout the prospect of a sizable McCain victory for fear of looking foolish.

    But the contours of the electoral map, combined with McCain’s unique strengths and the nature of Obama’s possible vulnerabilities, have led to a cautious and muted optimism that McCain could actually surpass Bush’s 35-electoral-vote victory in 2004. Though they expect he would finish far closer to Obama in the popular vote, the thinking is that he could win by as many 50 electoral votes.

    By post-war election standards, that margin is unusually small. Yet it’s considerably larger than either Bush’s 2004 victory or his five-electoral-vote win in 2000.

    “A win by 40 or 50 electoral votes would be an astonishing upset, just a watershed event with all the issues that were stacked against him from the very beginning,” said David Woodard, a Republican pollster and Clemson University political science professor. “But it could happen. I know this seems like wishful thinking by Republicans. I’m thinking that Republicans could win by 40 electoral votes. But I dare not say it,” he added. “Certainly what is possible could come to pass.”

    A top strategist with the Republican National Committee, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, explained that by his own examination, “we’re actually sitting pretty well in most states.”

    “There are a lot of scenarios that look good for McCain, and I almost would go so far to say that there are a lot more scenarios [than for Obama],” the strategist added. “I don’t think anybody over here wants to let themselves get too excited about it. It is an eternity between now and November. But McCain looks a lot stronger than our prospects as a party.”

    It is virtually impossible to find an established GOP strategist who believes McCain will win in a landslide. But in light of the circumstances, more than a few Republicans are pleasantly surprised to find that McCain is at all situated to defeat Obama.

    “The broader environment clearly favors the Democrat,” said Whit Ayers, another veteran GOP pollster. But Ayers argued that “a state-by-state analysis actually makes McCain a narrow favorite to win the Electoral College majority.”

    “That would certainly run against the grain of history, if he pulled that off,” Ayers added. “But it’s also clearly plausible and a manageable outcome partly because of John McCain’s strength among independents and partly because of Obama’s weakness in culture, ideology and association.”

    Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College — he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.

    Among the 10 strategists interviewed by Politico for this story, there was near-uniform belief that had any other Republican been nominated, the party’s prospects in November would be nil.

    “No disrespect to the other candidates,” said GOP pollster Glen Bolger, “but if anyone else had been nominated we’d be toast.”

    The case they make for a comfortable McCain win is not beyond reason. Begin with the 2004 electoral map. Add Iowa and Colorado to Obama’s side, since both are considered states Obama could pick off. Then count McCain victories in New Hampshire and Michigan, two states where McCain is competitive. In this scenario, McCain wins the Electoral College 291-246, a larger margin than Bush four years ago.

    If Obama managed only to win Iowa from Republicans and McCain managed only to win Pennsylvania, McCain would still win by a much greater margin than Bush — 300-237.

    “McCain is in a remarkably strong position for how poor the political environment is right now,” said Brian Nienaber, a GOP pollster. “McCain could win Pennsylvania, Ohio, Colorado and Nevada with a high Hispanic population. It really does scramble the map of where Obama does find those electoral votes.”

    Naturally, Democrats do not concede the point. But conversations with several Democratic strategists reveal that many acknowledge that the Republican scenarios are at least reasonable, though they say less likely to occur because Obama has the potential to dramatically alter the map, putting some nontraditional states in play at the same time. The bottom line, though, is that McCain’s ability to compete in some big industrial states offers a ray of hope in an otherwise dismal election cycle.

    “We have to hold Michigan and Pennsylvania. McCain wins one of those states, we are in trouble. They have to hold Florida and Ohio or they are trouble,” Democratic pollster Paul Maslin said. “The truth about this race [is], this is the year that we shouldn’t lose, and we could lose.”

    The GOP scenarios do not rely on some game-changing event but rather the possibility of Obama failing to overcome his own and his party’s weaknesses. Obama has long been thought by analysts to have a higher electoral vote ceiling as well as a lower floor than Hillary Clinton.

    It is that potential Obama floor that increasingly occupies the minds of Republicans studying the map. Even the potentially dramatic rise in turnout of African-Americans may only gain Obama 1 percentage point in many swing states, according to Maslin. Yet Obama’s weaknesses may end up neutralizing some of those relatively modest gains.

    Since 1968, Democrats have had a deficit with whites, particularly men. Some Republicans believe that Obama may exacerbate those Democratic challenges, especially in key rural regions like Appalachia, struggle to win back Hispanics or some women, and dash Democratic prospects during their most favorable landscape in at least three decades.

    “There is a one in four shot that McCain can win an electoral majority in excess of 50 electoral votes, which by most recent standards would be a blowout,” Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio said. “Considering where the Republican brand is right now, that’s pretty phenomenal.”

  42. confloyd………

    I wonder how “normal” it is for juries to request such and so many days off and how “normal” is it for a judge to grant so many??

  43. djia, I wish we still had Okieatty to tell us if this is normal. I did not think it was possible to allow so many days off during a deliberation phase of a trial.
    Obama seems to be able to game anything. I hope they manage to find Rezko guilty and then how many more indictments will follow?
    We know he helped push these projects thru the senate, but we do not know if he was the one who actually got Dynacorp to aid the escaping of Alsmarree in the Green Zone? I bet he did!

  44. Wow, I go on a little vacation and all kinds of stuff happens. Still trying to catch up.

    Is anyone going to the DC rally?

  45. confloyd,

    HERES A THOUGHT….

    lets all individually send admin a request, to send a message to okie, cause admin can do it…

    just need to tell okie its okay to come back now, place looks cleaned up… 🙂

  46. Stay the course, ya’ll. I know I am mostly preachin’ to the choir here: but do not quit on Hillary. Stay the course. If we need to, we will be out in the streets. People are starting to grieve a loss that hasn’t happened yet. Lemme tell you, once you bite into grief it is like a cyanide capsule. All you can think about is dark stuff and losin and such because every loss you have ever suffered from your pet parakete to a parent comes risin’ to the surface. Do not do this. Do not let your friends do this. We haven’t lost a damn thing yet. The convention hasn’t happened! Nobody’s voted. Supers jump ship—they can jump back. Our grandmothers and great grandma’s who stood in front of the white house to earn us the right to vote did not quit. The starved themselves for us. They endured the most deplorable treatment in jail. The women, like myself, who stood up for the ERA, haven’t backed down. Pay no attention to others giving up. Grab a hold of a no-quitter and stand there with them. We have an obligation to stand firm for our democratic principles. We will not give up; we will not quit. We will stand with Hillary. Don’t go to grief folks,. This thing ain’t over by a long shot. Why the hell else would people be makin’ mountains outta crawdad mounds over Hillary’s statements about Bobby Kennedy’s assassination if she wasn’t still within reach. People don’t attack you if you aren’t a threat! She’s still standing. Let’s all stand with her!

  47. And by the way, nobody, but nobody, has the gd right to tell Hillary when she should leave the race for the good of the party. IF our party is so bad that we are disenfranchising millions of voters in this farce of a primary season then maybe we need a new goddamn party. Sorry about the cussin’ yall. But nobody has a right to tell Hillary when it’s time to quit. She’s a grown up. And she knows much more about what the “good of the party” is than any of us do, even if their name is Taylor Marsh, whom I basically love. Don’t throw in the damn towel.

  48. super flips from bo to hill

    May 27, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    A V.I. super for Clinton

    He’s Virgin Islands DNC member Kevin Rodriguez.

    At this point, there’s little political upside to that move, but it’s a reminder that Obama still has Democrats as well as Republicans to woo.

    UPDATE: Rodriguez, in fact, switched from Obama, for a net gain of two to Clinton. Prior to this, he’d switched from Clinton to Obama. A bit hard to figure out what to make of that.

    By Ben Smith 06:36 PM

  49. AND HERE IS SENATOR OBAMA LYING HIS ASS OFF ON HIS WEBSITE..

    http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

    Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
    | October 02, 2002

    October 2, 2002

    Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

    My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don’t oppose all wars.

  50. Obama’s latest gaffe: directly contradicting his earlier statements about meeting with foreign dictators “without preconditions.” As you guys probably all remember, Hillary hit a HOME RUN when asked the same question during a debate. Obama flubbed the answer, and here we are, months later, and he’s still paying for it. Rookie mistakes really do come back to haunt you.
    ————-

    Obama says won’t guarantee Ahmadinejad a meeting

    By Caren Bohan
    Reuters
    Tuesday, May 27, 2008; 12:33 AM

    LAS CRUCES, New Mexico (Reuters) – Democrat Barack Obama underscored his willingness to talk to leaders of countries like Iran that are considered U.S. adversaries but said on Monday that does not necessarily mean an audience with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Obama, the Democratic Party front-runner vying to face Republican Sen. John McCain in the November race for the White House, has said he was willing to meet with leaders of countries such as Iran, Syria, Cuba and Venezuela without preconditions.

    McCain has criticized that view, saying that sitting down with someone like Ahmadinejad would give the Iranian president a spotlight and send the wrong signal to U.S. allies such as Israel.

    Iran does not recognize Israel’s existence and Ahmadinejad has called the country a “stinking corpse.”

    Obama, an Illinois senator, said Iranian presidential elections in 2009 would be a factor in the timing of any meetings, as would considerations of who wields the power.

    “There’s no reason why we would necessarily meet with Ahmadinejad before we know that he was actually in power. He’s not the most powerful person in Iran,” Obama told reporters while campaigning in New Mexico.

    Under Iran’s system of clerical rule, the Islamic Republic’s religious establishment has final say in all state matters.

    The McCain campaign accused Obama of backtracking.

    “Over the past year, Sen. Obama has repeatedly confirmed that he’d meet unconditionally with Ahmadinejad and the leaders of Syria, Cuba and Venezuela,” said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers.

    Republicans have accused Obama of inconsistency on his policy on talking to adversaries. In recent weeks, Obama and his aides have emphasized that, while there would be no “preconditions” for potential top-level meetings, there would be extensive staff-level preparations.

    In the case of Iran, Obama said, “Preparation means that there are low-level talks in which there’s clarity about our concerns around the nuclear weapons program but that we’re willing to listen to their perspective.”

    Obama said his position has been consistent.

    “I’ve said that with sufficient preparation I would be happy to meet leaders from other sovereign states including countries like Iran or North Korea or Venezuela,” he said. “I have said that it is important to make sure that it begins with low-level diplomatic engagement and that there’s a clear agenda so that any meetings would be constructive.”

  51. No worries, Molly, I’m not throwing in no damn towel. As for TM, I think she has her own best interests in mind. Period. This fight’s just starting!!!!! We’re all trained and ready for it. 🙂

  52. Well i am just mad as hell and I am not takin it anymore! And if we need a new party, let’s do it. I have serious doubts about losing another gd election because the democrats let themselves be controlled and manipulated by the power elite.

  53. does anyone know of this superdelegate that switched from Obama to Hillary today?

  54. justmeinmount

    I don’t know…….but
    I think SD are irrelevant at this point in the game……..they don’t matter until “Game Day” August 25th 2008!!!

  55. molly,

    staying the course, right there with you… this is now personal…

    shenanigans says:

    ‘This fight’s just starting!!!!! We’re all trained and ready for it. ‘

    YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR RIGHT!
    hillary’s got 17million boots on the ground, some of us are here till the bitter end…

  56. justme,

    where did you hear that?

    you know if they can all tipped to obama, with our help, they could all tip the other way.
    thats why we arent giving up…

    i believe

  57. Clinton Camp Release on Virgin Islands SuperdelegateVirgin Islands Automatic Delegate Endorses Hillary

    Rodriquez Backs Clinton Virgin Islands automatic delegate Kevin Rodriquez announced his support for Hillary Clinton today. Rodriquez is a member of the Democratic National Committee.

    thepage.time.com/clinton-camp-release-on-virgin-islands-superdelegate/

    Is this the rude awakening?

  58. has anyone actually tried t ionvestigate if Obama had any real grandfather who went to WWII? I mean this guy must have had maternal grand father? but then has there been any confirmation about whom Obama was refering to? He is an outright lier.. and should be exposed for what it is!

  59. Apparently Obama’s grandfather? did help free a small work camp in Germany.

    A far cry from what Obama said the first time. I hate that the media is glossing over this. He’s allowed to make a gaffe but God forbid if Hillary does.

  60. Mollyrichards,
    i’m with you. to Denver we go!

    BTW, anyone else notice how HAPPY and CONTENTED HRC and Bill look when they’re together? It just seems like they’ve grown so much closer.

    😀

  61. JanH and all

    until they release this “uncle”‘s name there is no proof he is telling the truth as there is no way to investigate it

  62. mculator Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
    why do my comments never show up?

    ================

    Welcome! Posts with h t t p : / / or even / / without the spaces get delayed in a spam filter. New accounts take a while too, because we have a troll problem.

  63. djia.. its his maternal grandmothers brother.. so grandfather? or uncle? w/e.. funny thing is.. he had to go to a typical white family to get himself some military credentials and on top of it.. lie his ass off on one of the most traumatic historic fact.. why lie obama.. does it even occur to you that many of the people actually feel hurt when you make such ridiculous claims and distort history for your personal ambitions..

  64. djia Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    Lou dobbs re: BO “stick a fork in him he’s done!”

    What’s this in regards to, djia?

  65. shenanigans Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
    No worries, Molly, I’m not throwing in no damn towel. As for TM, I think she has her own best interests in mind. Period. This fight’s just starting!!!!! We’re all trained and ready for it.

    That’s not a fair thing to say about TM. She stuck her neck out for Hillary. She’s gotten hate mails and been maligned by other “progressive” bloggers like Josh Marshall.

    TM is very consistent. She’s said from the beginning that she’ll work hard for Hillary, but if BO is nominated, she’ll work against McCain… that’s not the same thing as being for BO.

  66. filbertsf

    Lou dobbs went after BO because BO attacked both Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh in the same sentence regarding
    illegal immigration last week when dobbs was out of town.

  67. But Taylor is a dye-in-the-wool Democrat who wants to defeat McCain in 2008.

    I’m trying to think how to put this to her.

    1. We all want to defeat McCain
    2. The best way to defeat McCain in Nov is to defeat Obama now.
    3. Planning now to vote for McCain may help to defeat Obama now.
    4. If Obama is defeated now, we don’t HAVE to face that choice in Nov.
    4. If Obama gets the nomination anyway, then she can dump us.

  68. The thing about TM is– It’s not over and we are still working to get Hillary nominated. It’s a waste of time and energy to even be bringing this up now. I listened to her radio show today for about five minutes, I just couldn’t take the hand wringing anymore.

  69. i wont pretend to understand what motivates taylor, suffice it to say, she like us all, has an agenda…

    when she starts calling for us to kumbaya with obamas followers,
    than i will tell her what i will tell hillary if she asks the same thing…

    HELL NO…NOT THIS TIME…
    TODAY WE FIGHT, FOR TOMORROW, FOR OUR KIDS…

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  71. shenanaigns,

    Sorry if my post was long and unclear.

    The DNC and Obama faction may think they can write off blue collars, Hispanics, etc etc and still win in Nov.

    But when they find out they will have to write off millions of Hillary supporters also — maybe THAT will bring them to their senses.

  72. Taylor Marsh? Whatever. I like her, and she can say whatever she wants; it’s a free country, but there are 17 million of the rest of us out there who aren’t giving up until either election day, or until Hillary tells us to do otherwise.

    Here’s the thing about Obama: the guy has great political handlers, like Bush did in 2000 and 2004. Axelrod is like Rove in that he knows how to “game” elections and will fight dirty to win. On the one hand, those are admirable traits if you have a candidate whose credentials are worthy enough to warrant it. Problem is, Obama is like Bush: a new and inexperienced politician with no track record and a questionable work ethic (chronic missed votes, etc.). Do we want to take that chance again? Can’t we elect someone on criteria other than their ability to weasel their way past the electoral system, despite losing the popular vote?

  73. just checking in. delighted to see so many posters in the words of john paul jones “I have not yet begun to fight” attitude.

    also, okieatty, if you’re out there, admin has done a great job in scrubbing the set. please come back. not only do we need your atty brain, we also need the one person with the nastiest 🙂 vocabulary east and west of the mississippi.

    hope to see you soon.

  74. okie if you come back I’ll try to out cuss ya. I understand. I have to take breaks, but I miss ya.

  75. I know that Hannity was rooting for Giuliani and Fox is none to happy that McCain is the nominee. Do you guys think they secretly want HRC in the WH?

  76. Iam sure fox has that tape, hannity said long ago they had all the tapes when they were investigating REv Wright

    but am certain, its being savored under armed guards till the GE

  77. I think Sean Hannity is loaded for bear, or in this case venison–as in bambi.

    Big troll infestation over at tm. One of them sought clemency for Bambi for his gaffe regarding auschwitz because he was tired. I told the troll we are now operating under the new rules, and we will call him deranged, say that he really approves of mass murder (like his relative), circulate a video and sick the evil press on him.

    I also told the troll that as the Johnny Mercer song says its a long way from May to December or in this case November. And that means so many gaffs to come and so many opporunities to assassinate his character on the premise that one bad turn deserves another. (Note: Mercer was a songwriter in the 40s, 50’s and early 60’s. You are most likely to recognize his work Moon River).

    I told the troll about the parable of the farmer and the snake–and made it clear who the snake was–bambi. The snake killed the famer’s child and the farmer cut off the snakes tail. Later the snake began to worry that the farmer might find the right opportunity to finish the job, so he sued for peace. Whereupon the farmer replied snake! There can be no peace between us because whenever I look at you I will think of my child and whenever you look at me you will think of your missing tail. And so it is here.

  78. skmf12 Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    OH F*CK!!!

    did you say the trolls are back?

    come on girl

    take it easy

    lets just stay with peace

    anyway –how u been ??

    i seen u at noquarterusa

    i was little scared to talk to u .i thought u still might be mad ……

  79. Trolls are back at taylor marsh. They sense weakness and where there is weakness they see opportunity. That is why I hit them as hard as I did. I even mentioned swiftboat captain griffin. I do not think Taylor filters them and some of her bloggers feed them for reasons I cannot understand. Ok. Mine was a one shot deal.

  80. did you guys hear LOUDOBBS SHOW TODAY ??

    i had called (with the indian accent)

    i really pressed the issue of obama,s racism,calling bad names to hillary —-and that —

    i will be a independent —-

  81. i also mentioned about –india being 3rd world country and we americans are so educated but still call our former first ladt****b**word —-

  82. justmeinmount,

    what the hell is wrong with you?
    we left instructions…LOL
    could you go back and do what you were told?

    by the way, it took me a while to get it straight…
    if you dont get it, let me know and i’ll send you a message thru admin…

  83. I think the trolls surface when someone mentioned that the place had been scrubbed free (which will never be) they lurk 100% of the time, we all know that. and they surface when THEY ARE AFRAID of us…….not the other way around.

    but they must make themselves seen when they see some think they are not here

    IMHO……IGNORE THEM!! they have no power if you do not acknowledge they are even there in the first place.

    WE OWN ALL THE POWER OVER THE TROLLS!!! JUST KEEP GIVING THEM REASON TO FEAR US 😀

  84. I understand we got a couple superdelegates today. One of them defected from O’Bambi–yes I am sure he has some Irish blood in him too, but he has yet to declare it.

    Also somebody was on a conference call with someone in the campaign today I guess and the comment was it was too close to call. You can drive yourself nuts wondering what that means.

    Right now we are a bit starved for campaign communication. The inside game is what is important now. We need to deliver in Montana and South Dakota for Hillary.

  85. hey did you guys send okie message thru admin?

    thats the only way she’ll get the shout out…
    although, she might see a name on here that she hates…
    surprise surprise…

    anyway, for those that are still interested in the project, you can send me a message thru admin, and i’ll remind you where we are meeting.

  86. just me,

    i was teasing you, that means i like you…
    sorry if i insulted you…

    okay did you email the addy that was given?

  87. DJIA,

    GOTCHA, MY BAD…
    TEACH ME TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT…

    i am going to just pretend like its not happening, even though it is…

    🙂

  88. BVox wrote: Yep. It’s kind of us-vs-the-world right now, but isn’t that always the way when you’re a Clinton fan?

    Ain’t that the truth. Looking back, I don’t recall a time, even at the height of the impeachment hearings, that was as bad as it is today. Back then there were places in Big Media where you could go to get facts only slightly laced with editorial commentary. Back then I could listen to and appreciate Keith Olberman’s sardonic take on it all. Well, no longer. Now we have Big Pink and No Quarter.

    I will not follow Taylor Marsh over to the koolade trough. My only hope in a worse case scenerio is that these people who are running the DNC FUBAR the process and leave Hillary no other option than to lauch a Third Party. With Bill standing beside her, I really believe she could do it. Sadly, I don’t think she ever would do it because she is very pointedly on the record saying she will passionately support the eventual Democratic nominee. We’ll have to see what happens after the May 31st meeting. The idiots on the RBC may think they can get away with not settling the matter fairly. If the RBC does not come up with a fair solution then I think we can take heart that this thing will go to Denver.

  89. http://www.blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/of-gaffes-and-p.html

    Of Gaffes and Perspective
    May 27, 2008 9:41 PM

    I’ve never been one to shy away from coverage of a gaffe or flub by any candidate, certainly not Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, But I must confess to finding some of the coverage of this current controversy uncomfortable.

    Obama’s great uncle helped liberate Buchenwald, not Auschwitz, and Obama got it wrong. (Sunlen Miller and Rick Klein have the details HERE.) It’s unclear as of now whether Obama just mixed up the names, or he got his facts wrong, or through family lore he’d been told the wrong tale.

    And now we know the truth– his great uncle as part of the 89th Infantry Division helped liberate Ohrdrug, a sub-camp at Buchenwald. (You can read an account by one of his fellow soldiers HERE. Two survivors of the camp tell their story HERE.)

    For me there’s a tonal issue going on here with some of the Republicans pouncing on the issue and some of the blog coverage.

    I suspect many members of the Jewish community wouldn’t think this mistake that big a deal. Good for his great uncle for having helped liberate a concentration camp.

    There’s another argument, of course, that the best way to honor those killed in the Holocaust is to know their history, to know that Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians and was in Poland, and that Buchenwald was liberated by the U.S. and was in Germany, that Auschwitz was much larger than Buchenwald.

    No matter where you stand, I guess I just don’t particularly care to see Concentration Camp survivors on the same page as cartoon Pinnochios, as whoever does graphics for the Washington Post’s great fact-checker Michael Dobbs has done HERE.

    And do we really need the headline “Where In the World Is Auschwitz?” This isn’t a joke.

    I am certainly part of the media world that pounces on politicians when they screw-up. As such, I’m often guilty as charged when it comes to not seeing the forest for the trees. In this instance, the forest is the deliberate extermination of 12 million people. And the sacrifices of the brave Americans who risked and gave their lives to save those people victimized by Nazi barbarism. Not to mention our fighting men and women through the generations who have had to deal with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, a conversation about which prompted Obama to mention his great uncle.

    Obama deserved to be called out for his mistake. But it’s also worth noting that despite all the talk about Obama’s problems with the Jewish community, he’s never mentioned before that his great uncle helped liberate a concentration camp until it came up in North Las Vegas in a conversation about PTSD.

    – jpt

  90. i like taylor marsh

    she is an independent person who can make her own decisions

    but i am little disappointed

    i don,t understand why she decided to support obama or anyone other than hillary —

    she should not have talked about it (unless hillary was to say to support obama then voters can decide for themselves )

    it gives courage to obama supporters to play there —and it surely discouraged a lot of hill supporters who blog there .

    a lot of them r blogging more at noquarterusa now

  91. On Morning Joe, Carlson compared Clinton to a “cat in a box” and a “drunk party guest”
    http://www.mediamatters.org/items/200805270001

    Later on Morning Joe, Carlson also compared Clinton to “the drunk party guest who won’t go home, the cab’s idling out front, and she’s opening a new bottle of wine.” He added: “And the hosts of the party, the press and the Democratic establishment, want her to go home, and she won’t.” At the conclusion of that segment, Carlson’s last on that day’s program, Brzezinski asked Carlson to “do the cat in the box thing just one more time before you go. Who’s the cat in the box?” Carlson complied, again imitating a screeching cat.

  92. someone asked: Do you guys think they (Fox) secretly want HRC in the WH?

    No. The original misleading paraphrase of Hillary’s June primary referece that led to the whole controversy this weekend came from the NYPost which is owned and operated by Newscorp which also controls Fox.

    It’s either part of Operation Chaos or the usual Hate All Dems Equally brand of Fair and Balanced.

  93. wbboei, is that true hillary pulling a sd from obama? usually it is the other way around backstabbing of hillary.

  94. terrondt, wbboei, yes it is true, it was a former clinton supporter who went to Obama only to switch again back to Hillary. He’s a superdelegate from Virgin Islands – part of the DNC committee I posted the link above it was on the page

  95. It’s pretty obvious what ours and other like minded Obama-haters strategy should be at this point:

    If we have a level playing field after this weekend, continuing working like heck to get Hillary the nomination and into the White House. We will have two months to make our case to the Party.

    If the Party insists this week in giving the nomination to Obama by not counting FL/MI and keeping the number of delegates needed to win low, go for Party disunity. Fight all the way to Denver if Hillary stays in; give the GOP as much ammunition and time as possible for the GE.

    If Hillary drops out or after Denver, which ever comes first, support to the max the McCain ticket to hand Obama such a landslide defeat that he dare not try again four years later.

  96. The deomocrats have not won in 8 years twice in a row dare to repeat that Obama? That’d be 12 years altogether.

  97. thanks justmeinmountdorafl. but ofourse big media won’t cover it as much as a turncoat clinton sd to obama.

  98. paddy4Hill Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Hillary drops out or after Denver, which ever comes first, support to the max the McCain ticket to hand Obama such a landslide defeat that he dare not try again four years later.

    I AGREE
    AMEN —MAY MCCAIN WIN AND KEEP US SAFE

  99. I really hope that Hillary stays in all the way to the convention.

    Let all the people vote! Let all the votes count!

  100. IF THE WHOLE MEDIA

    msnbc,cnn,fox,all knew of wright ,why they waited so long to bring it up

    if all that came out before feb5th ,hillary will be the nominee by now

    i really think -big media and dnc are in it with a fix

  101. Paddy4Hill: excellent summary. Those are the options. We must be ready to pursue one or more of them. Since the trust factor is low it may be wise to hedge the bet. Boshevik rules must apply to Obama, i.e. promises are like pie crusts-made to be broken (Lenin). Also, we must begin putting out feelers on the formation of a third party which bluedem has been pushing for all along. We have got alot of good people who are Hillary supporters so it may be difficult for the bad guys to roll over us. And, I can even see the beginnings of the old who lost china debate which raged in the early 50’s, as it relates to 2008 election. We need to start writing history on our terms mindful of the fact that all history is fiction (JFC Fuller). The only constant in this turbulent world is our unequivocal support for Hillary and our caterorical resistance to that neolib Bambi,

  102. I want to share with all of you my glorious day yesterday with Hillary, Bill and Chelsea, here in Puerto Rico. That is how I will always think of it. My friend, a staunch Hillary supporter, who is a biochemist with a Ph.D. (mentioned for those who would assume we are all racist high-school drop-outs) and I went to the Memorial Day Ceremony in Old San Juan, in which Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton would be speaking. We parked the car a good distance away to avoid the traffic and hiked into Old San Juan — a cliff dropping down from our right to the ocean. My friend was wearing her Hillary t-shirt and carrying a sign that said “Puertorriqueños con Hillary”, and I was waving a Hillary flag that said “Hillary para Presidenta”.
    The Ceremony was held in front of a memorial monument with the names of all the Puerto Rican soldiers who have been killed in all the wars since World War 1 that America has fought in. My friend and I waited on a little hill under a date palm for the VIPs to arrive. The sunlight was in that golden stage and a slight breeze was blowing. Though not overly-conspicuous, the Secret Service were all around. I could imagine their eyes darting left and right behind their dark shades.
    When the photographers started running, we knew we would soon see the Clinton family appear. A cheer went up when we spotted them. Hillary was in her yellow jacket and was dazzlingly beautiful. Handsome Bill looked rather red — I hope he got red from having had a chance to lie by a pool in the sunshine! Chelsea looked radiant. They crossed an area between two fountains to the outdoor stage, and my friend and I had a perfect view of them on stage where they went to sit.
    There was a hush when Senator Clinton finally began to speak, after the rituals of the anthems, the military flag presentations, and the preliminary speeches. It was not a political event, but a somber and dignified Memorial Day ceremony. Her words were moving and inspiring. One couldn’t help but picture her as President of the United States.
    Afterwards, my friend and I went to the campaign headquarters, where the Clintons would be. There was a crush of people, and at first the Secret Service wouldn’t let anyone else go in, but we finally managed to get inside. First, Chelsea came out to greet people. She is such a lovely young woman. Then Bill came out. It was hard to get close, but my friend pulled me by the hand and wormed us through the crowd. I was holding a college yearbook that i was hoping I could get Bill to sign. My friend, who is more daring than me, said we should hold up the open book and yell, “Georgetown! Georgetown!”, which we did. You see, Bill Clinton and I were undergraduate students at Georgetown at the same time. We were both on the East Campus — he in Foreign Service and I in Linguistics. The page with his picture as class president finally caught his eye, and he autographed it for me, right above his name on the page where you see his signature as “William J. Clinton”. This time he signed “Bill Clinton”. Times have changed!
    My friend and I will have cherished memories of “our day with the Clintons”. It will be something to tell my future grandchildren about when I show them the college yearbook with the signature of the 42nd President of the United States.

  103. Just voted.

    Thanks for the lead Marie3548

    I have never seen so much evidence pointing in the right direction, and see supposedly politically intellegent people asking like dumb fools.

    We need to start teaching Civics classes in schools again. It is obvious here that this gour od SDs needs some more education.

    I just had to get that off my chest.

  104. paddy4Hill Says:
    support to the max the McCain ticket to hand Obama such a landslide defeat that he dare not try again four years later.

    Right. We know Obama would lose in Nov. Let’s make it a BIG loss.

    They’re already scared of losing us. Make them more scared, show them their only chance to win in Nov is to nominate HIllary instead.

  105. Funny thing is if two weeks from now a national Democratic Party primary was held, Hillary would win by a landslide.

    The Party is not interested in following or even knowing the will of its members.

    Furthermore, this entire nomination farce only adds additional proof that the republican form of government designed 250 years ago by the founding fathers for a sparsely populated semi-literate new nation as an experiment in self-government, is not very suited for an educated electorate in a post-industrial country such as ours. A public dialogue needs to begin about the merits of transitioning to a purer form of democratic governance. Then you will really hear the elites scream!

    What, the people ruling! Too radical! The masses are not to be trusted with managing the affairs of government.

  106. Sorry see is seen, and gour od is group of

    I hit send too fast as usual.

    I loved the Las Cruces error. That is the one distict he lost here. I am sure that was a win them over stent. He first cannot handle a town hall, and it goes to invitation only (so much for winning them over), then he goofs his lines.

    I don’t think he won many people over down there.

  107. wbboei, I don’t think a three party system is workable under the present constitutional arrangement and the structures that have developed under it these last two hundred years of US political party history. We should seek instead to form a new party that will replace one of the other two. Actually both parties by moving away for the political center are ripe for replacement. If McCain is successful in moving the GOP back into the center, than let’s go for replacing a radical-left Democratic Party (if Hillary is ripped –off).

  108. I’m out of the loop and have been avoiding all media. Can someone tell me about this BO gaffe y’all talking about?

  109. Sonia, do you have the website for the petition to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee? I need to get it to some friends today quickly!

  110. no
    i do not

    but when hillary won kentucky and west virginia –media was spinning it so much

    so i went and registered on his site

    but man –i hated it

    i do not think i can support anyone but hillary

    i mean i get mad and everything and i say stuff

    but u know what may be 2 weeks before — i got the link from TM and posted it everywhere pro-hill ,i did not save it

    it was not vote for mccain

    but a pldge that we will not vote for obama

  111. It is good that we have this outlet for our anger and frustrations and it’s very good the strong unwavering support of Hillary here.

    While I don’t post as often anymore, I must say that I never miss a day to see what everyone is saying and to read the great posts admin gives us.

    I stand firmly behind my conviction that the democratic party is no longer the party of the progressive, liberal people. It has morphed into something that is barely recognizable. I don’t know what it is now, but I can no longer call it home.

    Sad to say that the DNC/BM/Obama have a “Contract ON America” and should they prevail the exodus from the democratic party will be breathtaking.

    This is nothing short of a hostile take over and the democratic party will face an all out muntiny.

    I heard Hillary say she would fight for the nominee, whoever it is. This may be the one and only time I will not side with her if it is BHO.

  112. I had that discussion in my Hillary group today. One was vocal that she would hold her nose and pull for Obama. I said I just could not, and would leave the Dems, and vote McCain. The supreme court issue was raised again. That is what they want to win Women back with. However, It will not win me back. They don’t know where Obama is on the Abortion issue, he has not voted enough.

    What Presidental Candidates say and Presidents do are two different things.

    Another person at the table had just returned from the South. She said everywhere she went, and discussed the issue, Arkansas I think, they said they would not vote for O.

    I don’t think the Democratic Party has ever seen anything like this, and frankly does not know how to handle it. The old Guys think if they endorse, O will let them be a part of the party, and of course, he is lining up people, (his People) to take their place as we speak.

    I wonder who he has lined up for Kennedy.

    As I said before, they are afraid of the Clintons, they should be terrified of Obama.

  113. by the way since the superdelegates will be deciding this race, I expect to see Donna Brazille’s resignation forthwith.

  114. BOTH ADMIN, AND LARRY JOHNSON,
    HAVE NO RIVALS IN THEIR REPORTING…

    this is from noquarter:
    ============Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else [UPDATED]
    By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
    Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
    Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
    About: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC’s Nightline, NBC’s Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (619) on May 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM in Current Affairs

    Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom. Consider Tom Hayden, one of the mainstays of a group called “Progressives for Obama.” He was on NPR this week and said:

    “If there were the theft of a nomination, if that was the perception of the Obama supporters, then probably there would be a ‘68 scenario.”

    Theft. How in the hell is it theft? Neither Barack nor Hillary have won enough delegates to win the election. Barack has 1661 and Hillary has 1499. CNN maintains you need 2026 to win the nomination. So, you don’t have to be real smart to realize that both candidates do not yet have enough votes and will require the support of the Super Delegates in order to win. In other words, it is in the hands of Super Delegates.

    Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd. Here’s a radical alternative. Let’s use reason and intelligence. Is that feasible?

    For starters Super Delegates should take a look at the terrific analysis presented by Peniel Cronin. Cronin uses cold hard facts to demonstrate that Hillary, not Barack, is most deserving of the support of the Super Delegates. She has won more votes and won more in states that will count for Democrats come the fall. I challenge any Obamaton to refute these facts. Please download and read: 2008caucusreport.pdf

    But the Obama fantasy train wants passengers to believe that Hillary is behind. That Hillary cannot win. It is a damn lie. Having decisively won the most votes and crushed Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky–as well as racking up victories in Florida, Texas, and California–the notion that Barack is most competitive for the fall campaign is laughable.

    Unlike the Barack bulllies, Hillary and her followers are not threatening to set the streets of Denver on fire. They are not threatening to beat the crap out of police. Nope, we will argue facts. And thanks to folks like Peniel Cronin, there is hope that reason may prevail.

    Update: And who can forget these golden nuggets from Barack and Donna:

    Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.”

    Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts — Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick — should defect to Clinton?

    Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”

    First, EARTH TO DONNA. When are you going to quit? The Super Delegates will make the decision. Be a woman of your word. Make our day. Please!!

    Second, Barack, we agree with you. And if these rules are followed Hillary also has the majority. But I hold out little hope that you, Barack, will change.

  115. Over on NoQuarter they are talking about the bots rioting in Denver. I remember Al Sharpton say “the brothers will riot if the think they were cheated”, hell folks they also think Hillary has a hit out for Bambi. THese folks are dealing with a short deck!
    I say if the brothers can riot, the sisters can too!!

  116. LARRY JOHNSON ‘NOQUARTER’…
    ====================================================

    Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else [UPDATED]
    By Larry Johnson

    Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom. Consider Tom Hayden, one of the mainstays of a group called “Progressives for Obama.” He was on NPR this week and said:

    “If there were the theft of a nomination, if that was the perception of the Obama supporters, then probably there would be a ‘68 scenario.”

    Theft. How in the hell is it theft? Neither Barack nor Hillary have won enough delegates to win the election. Barack has 1661 and Hillary has 1499. CNN maintains you need 2026 to win the nomination. So, you don’t have to be real smart to realize that both candidates do not yet have enough votes and will require the support of the Super Delegates in order to win. In other words, it is in the hands of Super Delegates.

    Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd. Here’s a radical alternative. Let’s use reason and intelligence. Is that feasible?

    For starters Super Delegates should take a look at the terrific analysis presented by Peniel Cronin. Cronin uses cold hard facts to demonstrate that Hillary, not Barack, is most deserving of the support of the Super Delegates. She has won more votes and won more in states that will count for Democrats come the fall. I challenge any Obamaton to refute these facts. Please download and read: 2008caucusreport.pdf

    But the Obama fantasy train wants passengers to believe that Hillary is behind. That Hillary cannot win. It is a damn lie. Having decisively won the most votes and crushed Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky–as well as racking up victories in Florida, Texas, and California–the notion that Barack is most competitive for the fall campaign is laughable.

    Unlike the Barack bulllies, Hillary and her followers are not threatening to set the streets of Denver on fire. They are not threatening to beat the crap out of police. Nope, we will argue facts. And thanks to folks like Peniel Cronin, there is hope that reason may prevail.

    Update: And who can forget these golden nuggets from Barack and Donna:

    Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.”

    Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts — Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick — should defect to Clinton?

    Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”

    First, EARTH TO DONNA. When are you going to quit? The Super Delegates will make the decision. Be a woman of your word. Make our day. Please!!

    Second, Barack, we agree with you. And if these rules are followed Hillary also has the majority. But I hold out little hope that you, Barack, will change.

  117. debbie Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
    by the way since the superdelegates will be deciding this race, I expect to see Donna Brazille’s resignation forthwith.

    amen

  118. CON,

    if they want a riot, they better be careful what they wish for,
    AFTER ALL, WE’RE THE ‘BITTER’ PEOPLE WITH THE GUNS…

  119. Does anyone remember the Bowling episode where Hillary told Barack to “clean up you campaign or we will go bowling for delegates”? That was on April 1st. I think folks today has begun the bowling tournament! 🙂

  120. SONIA4HILLARY Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
    no
    i do not

    but when hillary won kentucky and west virginia –media was spinning it so much

    so i went and registered on his site

    but man –i hated it

    Sonia: McCain’s website has undergone some major changes, during the past week. The colors are brighter, shades of blue. The blog is slow, but I think, they are working on it.

  121. Massive report on Caucus vs. primaries, and I do mean massive.
    Still going through it but the deeper the analysis the clearer the slant in the race becomes clear.

    talkleftDOTcom/media/2008caucusreport.pdf

  122. birdgal Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    i know

    i thought of million things to do and say —

    i was all mad about things

    BUT i came to the comclusion that supporting mccain roght now is pre-mature . i don,t want to waste any money or time or thoughts on him .

    i just want to rant-rant-rant about obama and obama supporters

    and keep on posting things positive about hillary .

    but if 50/50 chance –that hill does not make it —

    i am in orangecountty ,ca. i will be holding signs for mccain and will blog for him and make calls for him

    i will everything for mccain as i do it for hillary

    but it hurts to even think about any other candidate , this election season has tought me so much about sexism,racism,media bias,and about women issues

    but thank you ,i know what u r saying ,but just not yet

    it feels like cheating to even go to someother person,s site

  123. GeekLove08 Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
    Evening everyone– here’s

    hey nice work

    u covered every point
    i like the way u had hillary lifting weight

    and mcgovern sign as obama,s sign

  124. Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”good yep keep to your word donna…
    hillary is gonna be 10 min, from me im gonna go see her …yipppeee…what should i say to her if i get a chance to talk lol..

  125. GEEK,

    yes it is really good!!!

    GEEK, LET ME ASK YOU? could you do a ‘mystery video’?

    well, i mean something that asks that all important question, or should i say those two important mystery questions…

    1- ‘WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THE MICHELLE OBAMA TAPES?…’

    and my personal favorite:

    2- ‘I KNOW WHAT YOU AND JOHN EDWARDS DID ON YOUR 1999 VACATIONS…’

    i mean, lets have some fun here…
    (remember that kid show, where in the world is carmen whatever?)
    or
    (the movie ‘i know what you did last summer’)

    what do you think?
    lets make em sweat….

  126. skmf12 Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Re. mystery video– maybe I am out of the loop– I know about the Michelle Obama tapes– what is the 1999 edwards vacation reference?

  127. Greeklove08

    Just viewed the video, and you did a super job. Can we adopt that Fox Lady. She really layed it on the line.

  128. CJ Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    tell her –win or loose —we will be always with her

    and if not her then no obama as president

    tell her –yeah women got voting rights but never fair treatment and we needed someone like her to fight for us
    never before even women spoke up against sexism that still exits in our society , and we thank her for fighting it and for still standing up with chin up and as proud american woman ,

    tell her —win or loose , we will always cherish her like mlk and others who fought for equal rights and human rights

    tell her

    we love her
    she inspires us
    she gives us motivation

    thanks,,,,,give her a big hug if u can

  129. hey GEEK,

    how about a commercial, like the sprint one, showing hillary, with 17million supporters behind her…

  130. GEEK,

    you know that the europeans are saying that there is a tape of
    john edwards and barack obama taken in 1999 or 2000, when they
    both went on vacation together…

    some people have speculated it has something to do with that murder of the gay guy who might have had a tape in his possesion. but no one knows for sure. the london times said it was the repugs that have a copy…

  131. thanks sonia and skmf..im gonna print it out your words and give em to her..and i will give her a hug!!!
    and im gonna say thank you for running and get our country back on track..

  132. skmf12 — I haven’t heard of that one.

    I like the idea of a sprint commercial– I will look into that.

  133. trying to catch up, was on the phone with my friend for aloooooong time tonight LOL

    all this talk about okieatty, made me remember she sent me something via email on the 23rd
    and so i am posting it here now… sorry it’s late!!
    ****************************8

    Good morning. The article below is an editorial in the Philadelphia Inquirer and it has the answer to the question I am getting most often right now: how the popular vote figures into the entire process. This info is not getting much media time, which is telling in and of itself. Please pass this along to your networks – the more people who understand the process and the importance of the popular vote, the more people who will refuse to tolerate the self-nomination of a candidate who does not have the majority of votes of the citizens of America. More later,

    In most inclusive count, Clinton has the numbers
    Lost in the excitement of Barack Obama’s coronation this week was an inconvenient fact of Tuesday’s results: Hillary Clinton netted approximately 150,000 votes and is now poised to finish the primary season as the popular-vote leader. In some quaint circles, presumably, these things still matter.

    > Real Clear Politics keeps track of six versions of the popular-vote total. They are, in ascending order of inclusivity: (1) the popular vote of sanctioned contests; (2) the total of sanctioned contests, plus estimated votes from the Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington caucuses; (3) the popular vote plus Florida; (4) popular vote plus Florida and the caucuses; (5) the popular vote plus Florida and Michigan; (6) popular vote plus Florida, Michigan, and the caucus estimates. After Tuesday, Clinton now leads in two of these six counts.

    > If you believe that the most important precept in democratic politics is to “count every vote,” then the sixth category is the most inclusive, and here Clinton leads Obama by 71,301 votes. Of course, this includes the Michigan result, where Sen. Obama had removed his name from the ballot. So while it may be the most inclusive, it may not be the most fair.

    > The third and fourth counts – the ones which include Florida – seem more fair. Here, Obama is clinging to a slight lead of 146,786 votes (257,008, with the caucus estimates). However, with Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota remaining, he will almost certainly finish behind her in these counts, likely by a few hundred thousand votes.

    > But could Clinton take over the lead in all of the popular-vote tabulations? Quite possibly. In Puerto Rico’s last major election, two million people voted. Let’s assume that turnout for this historic vote – Puerto Rico has never had a presidential primary before – will be equal to or greater than that turnout.

    > If Clinton were to win Puerto Rico by 20 points she would pick up at least a 400,000-vote margin. This would allow her to swamp Obama in the popular-vote counts, which include Florida, making her the leader in four of the six permutations of the popular vote. At that point, Obama would be left clinging to the least-inclusive count, which he now leads by 441,558 votes (551,780, including caucuses).

    > To understand how razor-thin this majority is, consider that if the Puerto Rico turnout is slightly larger than we have imagined – or Clinton’s margin is slightly greater – then Clinton would finish the primary process leading in every conceivable vote count. With two million voters, a 28 percent victory would put Clinton over the top even in the count, which excludes Florida and Michigan and includes estimates for Obama’s caucus victories.

    > It is this looming prospect which explains the tremendous pressure Obama partisans and the media are putting on Clinton to drop out of the race. They want her gone now because they understand that she has an excellent chance of finishing as the undisputed people’s choice.

    > Would it matter if Clinton were the undisputed (or even disputed) popular-vote winner? That’s hard to say. The question is, matter to whom? The superdelegates will determine the nominee and there’s no telling what will sway them. They have no objective criteria from which to make their decisions. But if they were to deny the popular-vote champ the nomination, there is a real question of whether Democratic voters would reconcile themselves to the decision. As it is, much of the talk about Democratic defections in November has been overstated.

    > Partisan voters almost always come home after their candidate loses. The problem arises when a candidate’s supporters believe that their guy (or gal) didn’t lose. Expect the chorus calling for Clinton’s withdrawal to grow louder over the next week, with people insisting that she has no “path to victory.”
    > Clinton’s path is both obvious and simple: Win the popular vote and force Barack Obama and his cheerleaders to explain why that doesn’t matter.

  134. Maybe the Admin will post my video as an update to the current Barack unelectable post? I sent an e-mail to the Admin– if anyone hears from Admin, please check on this.

    Thanks.

  135. confloyd Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Sonia, do you have the website for the petition to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee? I need to get it to some friends today quickly!
    ===================
    h t t p : / / clintondems.com/2008/05/sign-our-petition/ — An excellent one!

    h t t p : / / http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillaryormccain/

    h t t p : / / http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Nobama

    For links to other sites see http://www.turndownobama.com

  136. Some news on the Saturday Rules Committee meeting. Looks like they are preparing to avoid the crowds by announcing the decision on Sunday – Puerto Rico Primary Day. Hillary should announce at her victory speech that we are going to Denver if the Rules Committee disenfranchises, in any way, the voters of Florida and Michigan:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10651.html

    Those people who believe all problems have solutions may be unfamiliar with the inner workings of the Democratic Party.

    On Saturday, the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee will try to solve a big problem, in order to avoid a huge problem in order to prevent a train wreck.

    The big problem is what to do about Michigan and Florida, two states stripped last year of their delegates to the Democratic National Convention because both broke party rules and moved their primaries up too early in the election year.

    The rules committee will try to work out a compromise Saturday to try to seat those states in some form or fashion. It will be difficult, and the 30 members of the committee, who come from all over the nation, have been warned to keep their hotel rooms Saturday night, because the meeting may go into Sunday.

    The huge problem is what happens if one side or another does not like the rules committee’s compromise. In that case, the controversy would go to the 186-member Credentials Committee, which will convene in July or August.

    And if that happens, the party will be presented with a possible train wreck: Whatever the Credentials Committee decides will have to be voted on by the Convention in late August as its first order of business. And this could create what the media might love but the party dreads: a floor fight in Denver.

    I am reliably informed that the two co-chairs of the rules committee, Alexis Herman and James Roosevelt Jr., have been working with the Obama and Clinton campaigns to try to work out a compromise that would settle the matter at this weekend’s meeting and avoid further bloodletting.

    But finding a solution will not be easy, and one reason is that there are so many competing agendas.

    First, both Michigan and Florida have mounted furious public campaigns to get their punishment lifted, saying the party really has no choice if the Democratic nominee wants to win those states in November.

    ——————–

    Then, and most overlooked, is the agenda of the committee itself. It is a rules committee, its members believe in rules and that rules must be enforced, even as political realities are addressed.

    There is a further complication: Not only does the rules committee have to decide what percentage of the Florida and Michigan delegations to seat (the options run from zero to 100 percent), but what percentage Clinton gets and what percentage Obama gets. Clinton “won” both states, but the contests were controversial: She was the only major candidate on the ballot in Michigan, and everybody agreed not to campaign in Florida.

    Here is a sampling of comments from rules committee members I interviewed Tuesday.

    DON FOWLER, South Carolina, committed to Clinton: “A solution I think acceptable to both states is to seat the full delegations, with each delegate getting a half-vote.

    ——

    “There are a lot of questions that go beyond the mere politics of whether this helps Hillary or does this hurt Obama. The integrity of the process is involved here. If we meet this weekend and we act like a bunch of Katzenjammer Kids and throw things at each other, even if we reach a solution, that is going to make us look bad.

    “I am told the place [the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, DC] is going to be packed with supporters of the two campaigns. I have a great apprehension that we are going to look like a bunch of people who can only holler and scream and can’t do what is right for the party.”

    RALPH C. DAWSON, New York, uncommitted: “We’ve got to try to fashion a solution that takes into account not only the people who voted in Florida and Michigan, but the people in the states that followed the rules.

    “By and large the Clinton people say they are for seating all the delegates based on the beauty contests that were held in Florida and Michigan. The people representing Sen. Obama have indicated they believe the fair way to do this under the circumstances is to split the delegations 50-50, since those weren’t real races.

    “I am not prejudging the matter. We have to have a solution where the integrity of the process remains. We have to have a process in which all of the states feel the rules have been fairly administered.”

    ALICE GERMOND, West Virginia, uncommitted: “Unfortunately, we have been brought to seeming chaos, but I am not sure that the situation is as chaotic as some would like to make it. There are some thoughtful people here who believe what we do Saturday will impact whether we have real chaos in 2012.

    “We are grappling with a solution that is fair to both candidates and to the 48 states that abided by the rules. We also want to reach out to the voters of Florida and Michigan who did not cause these troubles. I anticipate that we will have a convention that seats all 50 states.

    —————
    ALLAN KATZ, Florida, committed to Obama: “I think there will be some kind of compromise that seats Florida and Michigan in the 50 percent range. Florida and Michigan both violated the rules, that is a fact and because of that there has to be some kind of penalty.

    “I think a 50-50 split of the delegates would be fair. The contests were beauty contests and not about selecting delegates. However, having said that, the reality is that we live in a political world and so there may be some apportionment of delegates that favors Clinton over Obama, but not one that changes the outcome of the race.

    “Whatever happens Saturday, I think everybody will be a little unhappy. Which probably means it will be the right solution.”

  137. COUNT EVERY VOTE! That’s gotta be the chant, all day long, outside the committee meeting in Washington.

    What are the Obamabots going to chant, I wonder? “Count some of the votes!” or “Please can you just give Obama the nomination!”

  138. CRAZY LIKE (OR AS) A FOX – “.seemingly foolish but in fact extremely cunning.” From “Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, Volume 1, A-G” by J.E. Lighter, Random House, New York, 1994. If you say, “He’s crazy like a fox,” you are saying that person is smart and can outwit other people.

  139. Berkeley Vox Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 1:08 am
    CRAZY LIKE (OR AS) A FOX

    thank you so much

  140. ADMIN,

    SORRY TO POST THIS LONG THING HERE, BUT I THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT THE ENEMY IS DOING…
    this is obamabots planning, interesting what they are planning…
    ***********************************************

    Wyoming Democratic Party Vice Chair Nancy Drummond has endorsed Obama

    DNC member Kevin Rodriguez of the Virgin Islands has switched back to Clinton after he switched to Obama on 5/10. The Clinton campaign has confirmed this switch. We are hoping to get more info from Rodriguez.

    Virgin Islands automatic delegate Kevin Rodriquez announced his support for Hillary Clinton today. Rodriquez is a member of the Democratic National Committee.

    Ben Pangelinan (GU) has endorsed Obama.

    30 comments:
    Rambling Johnny said…
    Sometimes I even surprise myself! Obama is banking Super Delegates for a showdown after May 31.
    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/obama_campaign_banks_superdele.php

    May 27, 2008 1:03 PM
    arvindh said…
    Hope this is the first of many endorsements to come this week for Obama.

    May 27, 2008 1:05 PM
    craig said…
    Sen. Obama only needs to pick up another 6-10 SDs between now and the cose of MT and SD primaries on 6/3. If he gets 25 vs. 30 in PR plus 9 vs. 7 in MT and 8 vs. 7 in SD then he will gain 42 pledged delegates from the primaries. He would only need 7 delegates to reach the current magic number of 2026.

    Keep in mind the Pelosi club SDs–with these Sen. Obama doesn’t need any SDs, but unfortunately, these would come after 6/3. My hope is that MT and SD pledged delegates will put him over the top.

    May 27, 2008 1:36 PM
    Allyn said…
    The thing to be concerned about is the DNC’s decision on Florida & Michigan. As I understand it, Hillary actually has more “supporters” on that committee than Obama. I suspect, that they will try to make it beneficial to her without CHANGING the outcome. Hopefully they’ll put some spin on NOT counting the popular voates (which is ridiculous), and insisting that she concede.

    May 27, 2008 1:53 PM
    Partofthehope said…
    Obama picks up 2 more delegates.

    NBC NEWS has updated the delegate counts in Alaska and Colorado, giving Obama one more and Clinton one less in each state. In Alaska, Obama picks up a split of 10-3 (instead of 9-4 after he got the two statewide PLEOs at convention). In Colorado, Obama gets a split of 36-19 (instead of 35-20). Obama’s pledged delegate lead is now upped to 149, his superdelegate lead moves to 34, and his overall lead stands at a combined 195 (including the 12 Edwards delegates).

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/27/1067357.aspx

    May 27, 2008 2:12 PM
    Kennyb said…
    As usual, NBC is way behind. DCW already has these changes in the delegate tracker chart. The split in Colorado is based on GP (and CNN already had it 36-19 as well) and DCW’s weekend post had the Alaska switch. Chuck Todd and First Read are hampered by having to use NBC’s “official” numbers.

    May 27, 2008 2:37 PM
    edgeways said…
    Allyn: I believe she has more supporters on the RBC than Obama, but there is essentially 3 factions, Clinton’s, Obama’s and Dean’s.
    Clinton does not have more supporters then the other two combined, so I expect whomever comes up with the compromise that Dean’s faction can agree with will carry the day.

    May 27, 2008 2:38 PM
    Rambling Johnny said…
    Beside late in the game who know if her backers are still well belonging to her anymore.

    May 27, 2008 2:41 PM
    skywaker9 said…
    There is a rumor out in OR that we’ll get a bunch of superdelegates declaring (esp. chair Meredith Wood Smith) soon. Some of them have said publicly that they have decided but are waiting for what I don’t know.

    May 27, 2008 2:43 PM
    Independent voter said…
    I just read on another blog that Joe Lieber….er traitorman – is allowed to attend Denver even though he is not a Democrat and he is supporting John McCain. Is this true? And if it is true, WHY would the DNC allow him to attend?

    May 27, 2008 2:52 PM
    ahoff48 said…
    Here is an article about the Oregon superdelegates:

    http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.cms.support.viewStory.cls?cid=102954&sid=1&fid=1

    I hope they come out soon. All the suspense is too difficult to take. Go Obama.

    May 27, 2008 2:56 PM
    KCinDC said…
    Allyn, remember that this committee is the same one that stripped the Michigan and Florida delegates in the first place. Not all the “Hillary supporters” are going to be as willing as Harold Ickes to pull a 180 and denounce the penalty they themselves voted for, especially at this stage of the contest.

    It seems unlikely that a majority are going to be willing to vote for seating the delegates from the fake primaries with no penalty at all, thus completely undermining the DNC’s authority to have any control over the process next time.

    May 27, 2008 3:02 PM
    Joel said…
    There is a point everyone has forgotten. Rachel Maddow brought this up in her show last week, and it is quite important, I think. If MI & FL aren’t resolved or nullified by May 31st, Hillary can appeal the decisions all the way to the convention and force a floor vote. By her counts, Obama needs 90 superdelegates in order to prevent this from happening. This is a weak showing to prevent Hillary from drawing this out until August.

    May 27, 2008 3:38 PM
    Brad said…
    Oh my gosh. If people don’t stop quoting Rachel Maddow, I’m going to scream. George Stephanopolous of ABC News said this morning this has “zero” chance to going to the convention. Relax.

    May 27, 2008 3:47 PM
    Kathy said…
    I would like to know how anyone “KNOWS” if this thing is going to the convention or not.

    Only time will tell.

    May 27, 2008 4:08 PM
    Joel said…
    Just out of curiousity, what’s George’s rationale for stating that this won’t go to the convention?

    May 27, 2008 4:19 PM
    Brad said…
    He says the superdelegates will move fast to shut her down… and that party bigwhigs won’t allow it.

    May 27, 2008 5:32 PM
    Allyn said…
    Anyone heard further information on the “Cardoza 40”, a group of delegates and superdelegates that are ready to pull out of Clinton camp and endorse Obama?

    May 27, 2008 5:43 PM
    craig said…
    My understanding is that the RBC decision can be challenged, but such challenge is the proper jurisdiction of the Credentials Committee. If this is the proper procedure then George S. is correct. Keep in mind, the candidate that has a clear majority of delegates going into the CC usually has sufficient power to determine the outcome. This is particularly true when the party is faced with a potentially divisive challenge that could jeopardize the GE–with the committee leaders rallying around the presumptive nominee in an attempt to keep the party together.

    If the RBC decides in favor of, for example, the MI party proposal (O/59:C/69) and Sen. Clinton challenges that then she risks being perceived as the person keeping the MI delegates from being included. This would force it to the CC, where she is likely to lose. There is a strong possibility that despite a failure of the Clinton campaign to persuade the RBC to support their desired outcome the option to challenge could prove too costly–and the decision to let it go [finally] would have to be made. FL is another matter.

    Aside from the campaigns’ desired outcome there is still the matter for the DNC. Some penalty must be exacted or else the DNC may be viewed as either ineffective or unwilling to maintain a national party organization, which would constitute a failure on the part of the party leadership to maintain and strengthen the organization responsible for furthering the party’s agenda and it would deny future democratic candidates the support we/they need on the national, state, and even in some cases the local level.

    May 27, 2008 5:45 PM
    Tom said…
    Something important to keep in mind is that if Florida and Michigan get counted in any way, 2025 is no longer the “magic number”. Increasing the total number of delegates increases the number needed for a majority.

    Any of the proposed solutions to the FL/MI issue (other than excluding them entirely) leave Obama worse off: both closer to Hillary and further away from the finish line.

    May 27, 2008 6:36 PM
    edgeways said…
    I trust George Stephanopolous about as far as I can throw a Hummer, that is not at all. Given his performance at the ABC debate I’d go outside and check if he said the sky was blue.

    tom, yes that is true, but it is also the last gasp of the C campaign, so while it closes the margin it doesn’t erase it. Add to this that it seems that O has at least 20% of the current remainder SDs banked (according to various reports) well… lets just say we have a week to go before it is all done… thank god.

    (if it goes beyond that it is time for direct non-violent action)

    May 27, 2008 7:16 PM
    Don said…
    I think you’re wrong, Tom. A 69-59 negotiated settlement in MI, which the state party is proposing, would be a clear win for Obama. Yeah, she gains 10 net delegates, but he’s ahead by 200, so 10 delegates more or less is insignificant.

    On the other hand, she would lose the last fig leaf of respectability that her MI popular vote “mandate” should count for anything.

    May 27, 2008 7:20 PM
    David HG said…
    According to Halperin, Kevin Rodriques (Virgin Islands) has switched back to CLINTON after previously moving over to Obama.

    That would nullify, if true, Obama’s gain today and put him back up to 49.

    May 27, 2008 7:45 PM
    SarahLawrenceScott said…
    The day to watch for superdelegates is June 2. If Obama could possibly do it, I’m sure he’d love to go into the June 3 primaries about 15 delegates short of whatever the RBC decides the magic number is. That would mean the last primaries to give him the delegates that get him across the finish line, which would have terrific public relations value. If not, he’ll win on June 4 when the Pelosi-types weigh in, but that gives Clinton more of a talking point if she wants to keep fighting than a June 3 win from the Montana and South Dakota delegates.

    (There’s also a weird spin issue that could come up. If the RBC decides to count the MI results in some way that includes “uncommitteds”–say counting pledged delegates at half–the Obama campaign has to convince the media very quickly to count some of the uncommitteds for him. That’s a point where blogs like this can be crucial to the discussion!)

    May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
    Vixx said…
    Hillary does not want a solution to FL,MI on the 31st. She will appeal, and it will go to the CC, which will be decided in AUG at the convetion.

    Then she has 3 months to change the minds of all the SDs

    Its so ovious, and yet everyone still thinks this thing is going to end on Jun 4th.

    Why would anyone think that? Hillary has been saying all along she is going to fight to the convention. She has setup the perfect sticking point, seat FL,MI as is, which is an unreasonable request.

    So she will drag the fight to the convention, and all we can do now is hope the party comes back together in Sep/Oct.

    Its too late to stop her from dragging this to the convetion. The SDs should have been voting NOW to claim the nomination prior to the 31st.

    May 27, 2008 9:09 PM
    Matt said…
    SarahLawrenceScott – check the blog later this evening for updates on the Michigan 36 – we’re thinking the same way…

    May 27, 2008 9:48 PM
    Tom said…
    Don, I was speaking purely based on the numbers.

    Right now Obama’s at 1977, Clinton’s 197 behind at 1780, and the finish line’s at 2025; Obama needs 48 more delegates.

    For the sake of argument (this does not take into account Florida or superdelegates), let’s say we award MI delegates in a 59-69 split right this second.

    Obama goes to 2036 delegates, Clinton goes to 1849 delegates, and the finish line moves to 2089 delegates.

    That leaves Clinton 187 behind, and Obama needs 53 more delegates; the gap is smaller AND Obama’s further from the finish.

    Figuring in Florida and the MI/FL superdelegates just makes things worse. I’m dreading the RBC meeting; it stands a chance of making this drag on way longer.

    May 28, 2008 12:11 AM
    Matt said…
    Rodriguez (VI) moved back to Clinton. Pangelinan (GU) added for Obama.

    May 28, 2008 12:21 AM
    Ian said…
    Kevin Rodriguez’s switch back to Clinton is so curious.. so curious…
    I wonder if HRC is trying something, perhaps she asked him to switch over to Obama at a time when nobody would really notice and then switch back from Obama, hoping that other SDs in the Obama column would follow?

    May 28, 2008 12:28 AM
    edscottwy said…
    Maybe Obama dolled out token Wyoming and Guam SD’s today (I’m from WY, so no disrespect meant), and he is holding blocks of CA and OR SD’s that he’s saving for Hillary’s last ditch desperation efforts.

    May 28, 2008 12:55 AM
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  141. LOL 😀 @ Berkeley vox

    yes i wonder what will the obamabots chant??

    What will they write on their Little picket signs??

    “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”
    “The Audacity of counting all 57 states”
    ” Farrakhan who? ”
    ” he’s not my spiritual mentor”
    ” it’s not about experience it’s about words”
    “just words!”
    ” don’t talk about my wife”
    ” A NEW KIND OF POLITICS”
    “HOPE”
    “57 STATES!”
    ” IF they voted for Hillary they must be racists”
    ” i have a dream! but the xerox is broken”

  142. this is from obamabots 2008 convention watch site…
    look at what they call the pelosi club…

    ***************
    This is a list of superdelegates who have specifically committed to vote for the leader in pledged delegates. It is named the “Pelosi Club”, in honor of its first two members:

    Nancy Pelosi:

    And, the speaker said again in an interview Friday that was aired today, the decisions of the party’s “super-delegates’’ to the Democratic National Convention should “reflect’’ which candidate has claimed the most pledged delegates in a contest which she believes will end well before the convention in Denver. – Baltimore Sun
    Christine Pelosi:
    “Many of us are elected by the grassroots of the party,” she said, “And I cannot imagine going home in November to those people and try to phone bank for someone who did not capture the [pledged delegate] vote” – Huffington Post
    Roy Romer is also onboard with backing the delegate leader: (Removed on 5/13 – endorsed Obama)

    Romer, while reiterating that he hasn’t taken a side, said the key should be the delegate count — a standard that is likely to favor Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. He didn’t pick up on a reporter’s suggestion that the overall popular vote should matter, too. That’s probably a disappointment to New York Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Romer was a national co-chairman of her husband’s presidential re-election campaign in 1996 and became general chairman of the DNC in January 1997, while Bill Clinton was president and the nation’s leading Democrat. -USA Today
    Update 5/1: Former President Jimmy Carter joins the Pelosi Club:

    “And I think that many super-delegates who have not yet declared their preference have the same feeling that I do, including the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. She’s said over and over that whoever gets the most [pledged] delegates by June 3rd ought to be the nominee. – UK Telegraph

    As of 5/24 we have 7 members of the Pelosi Club:

    Clinton endorsers:
    Sen. Maria Cantwell (WA) – most pledged delegates, most states won

    Uncommitted:
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (CA) (added 3/30)
    Christine Pelosi (CA) (added 3/30)
    Gov. Roy Romer (CO) (added 3/30) (removed 5/13 – endorsed Obama)
    Former President Jimmy Carter (GA) (added 5/1)
    Betty Richie (TX) (added 3/30)
    Denise Johnson (TX) (added 4/6)
    Chris Van Hollen (MD) (added 5/24)

    Obama endorsers:
    Rep. Zoe Lofgren (CA)
    Sen. Tom Daschle (SD) (added 3/30)

    We also have 1 additional member from Florida:
    Obama endorsers:
    Rep. Robert Wexler (FL) (added 4/8)

    One person who won’t be in the Pelosi Club: DNC Chair Howard Dean:
    Citing Democratic rules, national committee Chairman Howard Dean on Tuesday said that the superdelegates who are poised to select the party’s presidential nominee are free to back whomever they wish at the end of the primaries, regardless of who leads in the popular vote or pledged delegates. “They should use whatever yardstick they want,” Dean said in an interview at party headquarters. “That’s what the rules provide for.”

    A majority of the pledged delegates is 1627.

    If Obama wins a majority of the pledged delegates, he will gain 7 supers and Clinton will lose 1.
    If Clinton wins a majority of the pledged delegates (this is considered unlikely), she will gain 8 supers and Obama will lose 2.

    Update: Any superdelegate who uses the leader in “popular vote” as a basis for their vote is not eligible for membership in the Pelosi Club. Counting the popular vote this year has turned out to be a subjective measure, not an objective measure, and is therefore worthless for definitively determining how a superdelegate will vote.

    Update May 20: Please note that we will not be moving the Pelosi Club members to Obama’s column should he clinch the pledged delegate majority today. It has always been our policy not to move superdelegates based on conditional endorsements when those endorsements come true. If these supers want to endorse Obama once he clinches the pledged delegate majority, they need to say so themselves.

    Also note: Given that it is likely that the Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated in some fashion, 1,627 will probably not be the final number for a majority of the pledged delegates anyway, and it’s therefore up to the members of the Pelosi Club, not us, to decide when Obama has reached that point.

    Update May 22: We have removed all Obama endorsers (Lofgren, Daschle and Wexler) from the Pelosi Club. With Obama clinching the Pledged Delegate Majority (non MI/FL version), it’s clear they will stay with Obama no matter what.

  143. this is what the obama bloggers think on that site:
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    KCinDC said…
    Allyn, remember that this committee is the same one that stripped the Michigan and Florida delegates in the first place. Not all the “Hillary supporters” are going to be as willing as Harold Ickes to pull a 180 and denounce the penalty they themselves voted for, especially at this stage of the contest.

    It seems unlikely that a majority are going to be willing to vote for seating the delegates from the fake primaries with no penalty at all, thus completely undermining the DNC’s authority to have any control over the process next time.

    May 27, 2008 3:02 PM
    Joel said…
    There is a point everyone has forgotten. Rachel Maddow brought this up in her show last week, and it is quite important, I think. If MI & FL aren’t resolved or nullified by May 31st, Hillary can appeal the decisions all the way to the convention and force a floor vote. By her counts, Obama needs 90 superdelegates in order to prevent this from happening. This is a weak showing to prevent Hillary from drawing this out until August.

    May 27, 2008 3:38 PM
    Brad said…
    Oh my gosh. If people don’t stop quoting Rachel Maddow, I’m going to scream. George Stephanopolous of ABC News said this morning this has “zero” chance to going to the convention. Relax.

    May 27, 2008 3:47 PM
    Kathy said…
    I would like to know how anyone “KNOWS” if this thing is going to the convention or not.

    Only time will tell.

    May 27, 2008 4:08 PM
    Joel said…
    Just out of curiousity, what’s George’s rationale for stating that this won’t go to the convention?

    May 27, 2008 4:19 PM
    Brad said…
    He says the superdelegates will move fast to shut her down… and that party bigwhigs won’t allow it.

    May 27, 2008 5:32 PM
    Allyn said…
    Anyone heard further information on the “Cardoza 40”, a group of delegates and superdelegates that are ready to pull out of Clinton camp and endorse Obama?

    May 27, 2008 5:43 PM
    craig said…
    My understanding is that the RBC decision can be challenged, but such challenge is the proper jurisdiction of the Credentials Committee. If this is the proper procedure then George S. is correct. Keep in mind, the candidate that has a clear majority of delegates going into the CC usually has sufficient power to determine the outcome. This is particularly true when the party is faced with a potentially divisive challenge that could jeopardize the GE–with the committee leaders rallying around the presumptive nominee in an attempt to keep the party together.

    If the RBC decides in favor of, for example, the MI party proposal (O/59:C/69) and Sen. Clinton challenges that then she risks being perceived as the person keeping the MI delegates from being included. This would force it to the CC, where she is likely to lose. There is a strong possibility that despite a failure of the Clinton campaign to persuade the RBC to support their desired outcome the option to challenge could prove too costly–and the decision to let it go [finally] would have to be made. FL is another matter.

    Aside from the campaigns’ desired outcome there is still the matter for the DNC. Some penalty must be exacted or else the DNC may be viewed as either ineffective or unwilling to maintain a national party organization, which would constitute a failure on the part of the party leadership to maintain and strengthen the organization responsible for furthering the party’s agenda and it would deny future democratic candidates the support we/they need on the national, state, and even in some cases the local level.

    May 27, 2008 5:45 PM
    Tom said…
    Something important to keep in mind is that if Florida and Michigan get counted in any way, 2025 is no longer the “magic number”. Increasing the total number of delegates increases the number needed for a majority.

    Any of the proposed solutions to the FL/MI issue (other than excluding them entirely) leave Obama worse off: both closer to Hillary and further away from the finish line.

    May 27, 2008 6:36 PM
    edgeways said…
    I trust George Stephanopolous about as far as I can throw a Hummer, that is not at all. Given his performance at the ABC debate I’d go outside and check if he said the sky was blue.

    tom, yes that is true, but it is also the last gasp of the C campaign, so while it closes the margin it doesn’t erase it. Add to this that it seems that O has at least 20% of the current remainder SDs banked (according to various reports) well… lets just say we have a week to go before it is all done… thank god.

    (if it goes beyond that it is time for direct non-violent action)

    May 27, 2008 7:16 PM
    Don said…
    I think you’re wrong, Tom. A 69-59 negotiated settlement in MI, which the state party is proposing, would be a clear win for Obama. Yeah, she gains 10 net delegates, but he’s ahead by 200, so 10 delegates more or less is insignificant.

    On the other hand, she would lose the last fig leaf of respectability that her MI popular vote “mandate” should count for anything.

    May 27, 2008 7:20 PM
    David HG said…
    According to Halperin, Kevin Rodriques (Virgin Islands) has switched back to CLINTON after previously moving over to Obama.

    That would nullify, if true, Obama’s gain today and put him back up to 49.

    May 27, 2008 7:45 PM
    SarahLawrenceScott said…
    The day to watch for superdelegates is June 2. If Obama could possibly do it, I’m sure he’d love to go into the June 3 primaries about 15 delegates short of whatever the RBC decides the magic number is. That would mean the last primaries to give him the delegates that get him across the finish line, which would have terrific public relations value. If not, he’ll win on June 4 when the Pelosi-types weigh in, but that gives Clinton more of a talking point if she wants to keep fighting than a June 3 win from the Montana and South Dakota delegates.

    (There’s also a weird spin issue that could come up. If the RBC decides to count the MI results in some way that includes “uncommitteds”–say counting pledged delegates at half–the Obama campaign has to convince the media very quickly to count some of the uncommitteds for him. That’s a point where blogs like this can be crucial to the discussion!)

    May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
    Vixx said…
    Hillary does not want a solution to FL,MI on the 31st. She will appeal, and it will go to the CC, which will be decided in AUG at the convetion.

    Then she has 3 months to change the minds of all the SDs

    Its so ovious, and yet everyone still thinks this thing is going to end on Jun 4th.

    Why would anyone think that? Hillary has been saying all along she is going to fight to the convention. She has setup the perfect sticking point, seat FL,MI as is, which is an unreasonable request.

    So she will drag the fight to the convention, and all we can do now is hope the party comes back together in Sep/Oct.

    Its too late to stop her from dragging this to the convetion. The SDs should have been voting NOW to claim the nomination prior to the 31st.
    *****************************************************

    SORRY TO DO IT TO YOU, BUT THATS WHAT THE ENEMY IS UP TOO…

  144. Thanks Admin for the update. Of course, any 50-50 split will not be accepted by the voters of those states as fair, even if their state parties agreed to it. Hillary will not accept it either I am sure.

    A 50% reduction of the number of delegates awarded from those states may be OK as long as the total reflects that actual vote result.

    The votes need to be accepted 100% according to the actual results. This is not a delegate issue.

    The number of pledged delegates needed to claim victory needs to be adjusted upward to reflect rules committee decision and be made public.

    A re-vote would be best since Hillary would clean his clock in both states. Not much chance of this since neither Obama nor the Party are willing to let the people have any voice in this matter.

    Since this all must be ratified at the convention, we should be prepared to back Hillary until that time, if she so chooses. This will prevent the smaller Rules Committee from hijacking the nomination.

  145. skmf12, There is no shortage of Obama propaganda out there. We all know how to turn on the TV or read the news.

    People come here to escape from it.

    Thanks

  146. I’d take this as very good news, from a story entitled, “It ain’t over yet.”
    Not-so-good news is it’s from the LarouchePub, though I’m yet to see anything there I’d consider far-out. Quite the contrary, in fact….

    Anyhow, let’s call it, ‘For what it’s worth’

    Former President Bill Clinton made a similar point in a conference call with his wife’s campaign strategists, in which he strongly asserted that there is absolutely nothing to be gained, either for the Democratic Party or for the nation, if Hillary were to withdraw now.

    “It’s only May and people are already paying over $4 for a gallon of gas,” he said. “What do you think the price is going to be in July? That’s just one example for you. This population is going to be beside itself looking for answers. Hillary’s focus on the economy has gotten her this far in this campaign and it is what is going to win her the nomination. We can’t stop now. The American people need us to not stop now.”

  147. skmf12 Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 1:45 am
    this is what the obama bloggers think on that site:
    ============

    Very interesting, thanks!

  148. “I’m yet to see anything there I’d consider far-out.”
    Check that. Should say,

    Haven’t seen anything related to this campaign…

  149. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NATION/805280382/1020

    Rezko case jurors offer to work late

    CHICAGO — The federal court jury deliberating charges against political fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko has told the judge it plans to work late two nights this week “to help conclude our decision.” Rezko, 52, a major fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, is charged with fraud, attempted extortion, money laundering and aiding and abetting bribery.

  150. djia, my boss finally approved my vacation, so I definitely will be going to denver. I plan on camping, there are too many beautiful parks to get stuck in a motel room. So looking forward to going. I think Hill and Bill have this whole thing figured out and that’s why the bots and the pelosi club is getting nervous! Madame President Hillary Rodham Clinton, I am sure of it!!

  151. Memo: Fla., Mich. can’t be fully restored By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
    44 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON – A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to restore delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully seat the two states at the convention as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to a party analysis.

    ADVERTISEMENT

    Party rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, Democratic National Committee lawyers wrote in a 38-page memo.

    The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday to consider the fate of convention delegates from the two states. The party is considering plans to restore at least some of the delegates to make sure the two important general election battlegrounds will be included at the nominating convention in August.

    The analysis lays out merits on all sides of the argument of how many delegates should be seated and how they should be divided. And it underscores a prickly problem — if the Rules and Bylaws Committee decides to restore any of the states’ delegates, there is not a simple way to divide them between Clinton and Barack Obama.

    That’s especially true in Michigan, where Obama had his name pulled from the ballot because the primary violated the party rules. He didn’t have the option of removing his name in Florida, but neither he nor any of his rivals campaigned in either state as part of a pledge organized by the four states that had early voting privileges.

    Clinton won the majority of the vote in both contests and has been arguing that their delegates should be fully restored according to the results of the January vote. But even if they were, it would not be enough to overcome Obama’s delegate lead.

    ___

  152. confloyd…….awesome!!

    I prefer to camp……. I do it all the time, even by myself 😀

    of course i often hear from women “how can you do that? i would be so scared to go in the woods alone with out my husband”

    my answer?…….. I a huge black german shepherd who goes with me, and would protect me better than any husband could LOL

  153. Four Things the Obama Campaign Couldn’t Resist Doing To Anger Clinton Supporters
    Posted May 27, 2008 | 04:29 PM (EST)

    lanny davis huffpo

    The follow are four things that the Obama campaign couldn’t resist doing to anger Clinton supporters, supporters that Sen. Obama needs in the general election if — if — he is the nominee.

    1. Couldn’t resist waiting one day after Sen. Clinton won West Virginia by 41 points to announce John Edwards endorsement.

    2. Couldn’t resist waiting to win majority of ALL delegates (not just pledged delegates) to do victory lap speech in Iowa the night Hillary won Kentucky by 36 points.

    3. Couldn’t resist waiting to win majority of all delegates to announce Jim Johnson as VP search committee head — the first candidate in my memory ever to do so while his chief opponent is still fighting for nomination — and winning in last primary in crucial border state by 36 points (Kentucky).

    What’s the rush?

    Obama wouldn’t confirm or deny the that Mr. Johnson has been appointed to head the VP search effort. That makes many Clinton supporters feel uneasy about Senator Obama.

    4. Couldn’t resist listing Bill Richardson as under consideration for Veep – the one Red Flag name that infuriates even moderate Clinton supporters the most — not because he chose to endorse Sen. Obama, but the way he did it, i.e., his inability to avoid making negative comments about Sen. Clinton while doing so — another person who sometimes can’t resist the temptation of not being gracious when he should be, a great disappointment to many of his former close friends from the Clinton camp and which will not be forgotten.

  154. texan4hillary, isn’t it great that Obama did all these wonderful things! Good for him. We should all send him our sincere thanks. And remind him to keep his Senate seat warm. Because next year that is where he will be working.

    It’s mutual. He hates us, we hate him (politically that is). Not exactly a winning formula. duh

  155. Bill Clinton’s point about a cover-up is dead-on-target. Big Media refuses to report on all the backroom maneuvering and strong-arming of SD’s being done by the Obama campaign. Howard Dean, Brazile, and the DNC are trying to push Hillary over a cliff when she is WINNING the popular vote and is WINNING every crucial state.

  156. I love it. The people we vote in to protect us, are being backroom maneuvered, and strong-armed. They are in those positions so they can handled just such situation.

    I am sure the Popular Vote people are being pressured also.

    But obviously, the people have more guts and courage than the SDs.

    So who should decide this election. The people who have guts and Courage.

  157. NewMex,

    Don’t forget the guns and bible crowd. You know, the bitters. They should have a say in the election. There was a time when the Democratic Party was their Party, the Party of the average man and woman. Those days are fast fading into the sunset of history. We are witnessing a new chapter in American history, the end of an era, the sellout of the Democratic Party to the winners of globalization. The new rich left.

    So much rests on Hillary winning the nomination and the White House. It is sad how so many can not see this. Hillary discovered the importance of this election herself as her campaign kicked into high gear towards the end of last year. I think this is the reason she has so much energy and motivation to fight this battle. It is so important.

    I am hoping we can take this to Denver. Hillary, we are still with you.

  158. Paddy4Hill

    When Obama made his mistakes in Las Cruces, and Other places, they said he is tired.

    Meanwhile, Hillary under the same pressure, and with them beating her down, looks fresh and exciting.

    I have said from the start I thought he was a Depressed personality. Every once and a while he shows this.

    Hillary is the leader here, physically and mentally.

  159. After reading the Gallup artical (above post) Hillary will NOT get out of the race. The numbers are now in her favor. As I stated yesterday, Obama is trending downward in the match up with McCain and Hillary is trending above McCain by 3-4 pts. (Per RCP, National Presidental polls, data from the last 3 polls)

  160. If we are going to buy ads, we need to bring the stuff forward that the media will not cover, such as polls, SDs those that have switched back, the military endorsements, and the % of people that will go to McCain.

    We also need to hit home on the Economy. Buffet says it will be a long recession. He is the expert. We need an expert in the WH to handle this recession. We need total Heath Care Immediately to cover the people who are losing their jobs.

  161. This may sound silly, but one thing (not the only thing, just one thing) that makes me think Hillary is NOT planning to quit anytime soon is the T-shirt contest. Why would her campaign take the time to pick the finalists, have people vote on the one they like best, and then print up all those T-shirts if they’re planning to drop out of the race at the beginning of June? And then, of course, there’s $$$ to be made from the sale of those shirts, and supposedly people will be wearing them at rallies and such… Put this all together, and it doesn’t sound like a campaign that’s winding down; it sounds like a campaign that’s planning to stick around for awhile.

    Re: MI and FL. There’s absolutely no way that Hillary should accept a 50-50 delegate split with Waffles. I could accept a reduction in the number of delegates– that’s what the Republicans did. But those delegates should be allocated according to the way the people voted. If the opponent doesn’t like it, he had plenty of opportunities to get in on a revote and he refused them all.

  162. Okay…. Iam a numbers whore!! I was looking at the latest Gallup tracking numbers, they read as follows.
    Presidential Nomination: Obama 51%, Clinton 43%. (Obama+8)

    General Election Match up: Obama 44% vs McCain 47% (Obama -3), Hillary 48% vs McCain 45% (Hillary +3)

    What does this tell me… of the 43% who want Hillary as the nominee, if she is not, they move to McCain in droves! Tell me if I am reading this wrong?

  163. Jan the Michgander (use to live near Michigan)

    I agree about the T-Shirt analysis.

    You are abolutely right about the % analysis. 50-50 means the will of the people in FL and MI will not be recorded, and that is what a Democracy is all about. He made a few strategic errors (taking his name off the ballot in MI, and not allowing a revote immediately, which some said he would have won). So for that error, which was major politically, we should not allow him to recover. Politics is all about not making those errors and people enabling them.

    In addition, both states, which we continue to ignore had Republicans dictating the move up. We need that in an ad some place also.

    JAS I agree with the analysis on the move. Our small Hillary group shows signs of this. In addtion, each state, whether they went for him big time or not, reflects these states.

    IF LAS CRUCES IS A SAMPLE OF WINNING PEOPLE OVER, HE FAILED. HE DID NOT PUT HIMSELF INFRONT OF A FORUM OF MIXED PEOPLE. HIS PEERS IN THE SENATE ARE RIGHT, HE MAKES FRIENDS AMOUNG THE FRIENDLY, BUT WHERE THERE IS A LACK OF UNITY, HE IGNORES THESE PEOPLE, AND DOES NOT BUILD UNITY.

  164. Okay…. Iam a numbers whore!! I was looking at the latest Gallup tracking numbers, they read as follows.
    Presidential Nomination: Obama 51%, Clinton 43%. (Obama+8)

    General Election Match up: Obama 44% vs McCain 47% (Obama -3), Hillary 48% vs McCain 45% (Hillary +3)

    What does this tell me… of the 43% who want Hillary as the nominee, if she is not, they move to McCain in droves! Tell me if I am reading this wrong?

    Absolutely correct. It also tells us that there is little attrition if Hillary was the Democratic nominee. The attrition will mostly come from a very small portion of the AA’s and the latte liberals.

  165. JAS,

    Your eyes are not lying. It means registered Democrats vs. registered voters as a whole (members of both Parties, independents and others) are saying different things. While Obama is leading among Democrats (and this is suspect as always), he is losing to average voters. Now this may seem like a stupid question, but in November who counts more? Registered Democrats or registered voters as a whole? Go figure.

    Obama has the delusion, shared by many in the DNC, that his charm can win over the entire nation after they hand him the nomination. Sorry Obambi, there are no more Iowas left. You have made more enemies than friends anyway and don’t blame it on us. You ran as a divider and division is what you will get.

    NewMex,

    I think you are correct. Maybe he is a manic depressant. Just what the world needs now. We go from having a President with the intellect of a twelve your old to a mad hatter. Call Dr. Seuss!

  166. rickya: After writing my post, I was thinking the same thing. All these numbers can drive a good man to drink, but they tell a very good story and I hope will play a role in Saturday’s DNC meeting.

    Just a side note, reguarding the DNC meeting, I hope Lanny Davis speaks on behalf the campaign!!!!

  167. Lanny Davis is what a true friend is all about….not a front running phony like Judas, but there when the chips are down. Bill and Hillary need more like him and Carville . Bill and Hillary worked endlessly to get so many of these turncoats elected or appointed, including saving Kennedy’s ass when he was in a tough race against romney in the early 90’s. Sadly, the race baiter Obama, combined with the corrupt leadership of the DNC, has chosen to make our party that of the extreme left and affluent whites who want to feel good about nominating an unqualified, untested, unfit, and untruthful AA candidate.

  168. The folloeing just proves my point. From Pollister.com, Rassmussen poll (dated 5/27/08) shows the following.

    Presidental Nomination: Obama 49%, Clinton 43% (Obama +6)

    General Election: McCain 47%, Obama 44% (McCain +3). Clinton 48%, McCain 44% (Clinton +4%)

    Two differnt polling companies, came to the same conclusion!

  169. Its amazing, Clinton wins everytime over McCain and Obama fails, are they this stupid?

    look at http://www.electoral-vote.com

    Clinton 327 McCain 194 Tie 14

    Obama 264 McCain 248 Tie 24

    You tell me who has got the clearest shot at the whitehouse.

  170. moononpluto: Exactly! that is a good site.

    So is the following site: http://www.hominidviews.com
    (To view Hillary’s numbers, on the right side of the page under the heading “Pages” click on Hillary v. McCain)

    The break down goes as follows: Obama has a 50.1% chance of winning with 268 Electorial College votes (EC)
    McCain has 49.3% chance of winning with 270 EC. Now Hillary, she has a 100% chance of winning with 322EC and McCain has 0.0% of winning with 216 EC.

    The tide is turning !!!

  171. I heard back from okieatty today on my question to her about the rezko trials jury delays..
    and the judge who is granting such delays.

    it definitely sounded weird to her and to another friend of hers that she asked at the fed level , he/she is making
    some calls for her on this.

    I will update as i hear anything.

  172. There have to be people in the Democratic Party who want to win the White House and who realize that Obama isn’t the one who’ll get them there. They can only ignore the truth for so long. I think what many in the Dem party are truly worried about is how to give Hillary the nomination (and therefore win the White House) without being accused of racism. Let’s face it– if Obama were white, it would be a lot easier for them to drop him and we wouldn’t even be hearing this business about party unity.

  173. Dear,

    This Sunday, voters in Puerto Rico will go to the polls and make their voices heard — the first time the island has played such a vital role in selecting our party’s nominee. At this critical moment, I am depending on you to help me make sure they have a choice. We are depending on the voters of Puerto Rico in our fight to secure the nomination.

    It doesn’t matter what the pundits say. You and I know this race is up to the voters, and I’m going to keep fighting for every last vote. That’s why it is so important that we get voters to the polls over the next few days — and we can’t do that without your help.

    Over the next four days, we have the opportunity to make history in the Puerto Rico primary — and win the national primary vote by redoubling our efforts. That’s why a group of supporters has agreed to match contributions today from new donors — meaning every dollar you give is worth double. Your $50 gift is worth $100, your $25 gift is worth $50 — even a donation as small as $5 will have twice the impact.

    Contribute today, and your donation will go twice as far toward helping us make history.

    Puerto Rico isn’t the only important deadline our campaign faces. The final two races — in South Dakota and Montana — are just six days away. And this Saturday marks another crucial end-of-month fundraising deadline.

    And with the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee’s decision on Florida and Michigan also coming Saturday, there has never been a more important time to keep our campaign moving forward.

    We can finish the primary races strong and win the nomination, but only with your help. And because your contribution today is worth double, today is a great time to give.

    Double your impact by making a contribution today.

    Throughout the course of this campaign, your support has made the difference time and time again. Now we are facing the last few primaries together, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    Thank you for everything,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  174. From what I understand, on this blog, they quit polling after O declared himself a winner.

    I am sure HRC is polling, but they are probably not releasing the polls.

    As I remember you have or someone has asked this question before.

  175. I tried to post this on hillary’s site, but the only posts that appear there for me [and I have sent in dozens and dozens] are a couple that I ask why my posts do not get posted. I wrote about the convention and DNC:
    Yes, Virginia, there really is a DNC, and it has the right to count or discount delegates, but I think the popular vote is not a matter of discussion even though they have lumped the delegate/votes together. In FL and MI the elections were held by the state and paid for by the state, voters were urged to vote; voters did vote [1.74 million in FL and we spoke with our votes a clear MANDATE to the DNC that we want Hillary and we do NOT want Obama]; the ballots were cast and counted; the stated verified the count; the state certified the results. 100% OF THE VOTES MUST COUNT!
    Even here, we take what DNC spokespeople and what MSM and what Obama campaign/supporters as gospel. Yeah, here I am – bitter and bible thumping as I can not get over how Obama dissed generations of my family.If I remember the bill, as it is written, and not how it is interpreted, says that UP TO 50% of the delegate count can be taken down by the DNC for violations; UP TO 50%, THAT MEANS THE DELEGATES COULD BE SEATED ANYWHERE FROM 0% to 100% – AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT – WE ACCEPT NOTHING SHORT OF 100%.
    Now, the DNC, can shoot themselves in the foot, they can borrow Annie Oakley’s six shooter if they want to, and fail to seat any portion of the delegates – but it would be committing suicide with the Clinton supporters who are already so hardened they are planning to secede from the DNC union.

    The DNC, MSM and the Obama campaign have destroyed the Democratic Party – which may not be a bad thing since it is anything but Democratic in its enforcement of the rules. And now I will borrow from another poster, “IF THE RULES ARE THE RULES, THEN ROSE PARKS WOULD STILL BE RIDING ON THE BACK OF THE BUS!”

  176. jbstonesfan

    I did not mean to sound short. I want to know what those numbers look like also, but I have seen none that are recent. If anyone has current numbers on PR, we all would like to know.

  177. ShortTermer

    The rules are the rules, only when they benefit O. If they don’t they are not acceptable rules, and released to the media so they can ridicule the rules.

    Air American at the beginning of this were going hot and heavy about the SDs should vote the way the Popular Voter voted. Since that rule in no longer beneficial to O, they have dropped that campaign.

    They are hypocrites, and they don’t even seem to care.

  178. here is a great site on caucus cheating !!
    caucuscheating.blogspot.com/

    and here is larry sinclairs blog site…..he has recently posted this:

    Sen. Obama & Obama Supporters: Look For My 5-28-08 Announcement

    Posted by Larry Sinclair on Monday, May 26, 2008

    Please look to this Blog Wednesday night May 28, 2008 for an announcement that is sure to make the Obama bloggers and supporters totally livid.

    On the evening on May 28, 2008 I will publish on this blog a video and print announcement that is certain to send the cesspool (who has disregarded every law in this country) falling all over themselves in their illegal efforts to stop me from being heard.
    larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

  179. THIS IS WAR!!!!

    Keep on donating to Hillary to keep her in the game. Keep on protesting and showing your disgust on this LYING DNC. Keep on FIGHTING!!!

  180. I hear BO turned down McCains offer of going together to iraq……. what’s he afraid of?

    he won’t debate Hillary………………. but he will talk to terrorists with out preconditions
    he wont go to iraq with McCain……… but will talk to terrorists with out preconditions
    he won’t go to Kentucky or Wv……… but will talk to terrorists with out preconditions
    he won’t go on fox news………but will talk to terrorists without preconditions
    he won’t enfranchise Fl & MI voters………..but will talk to terrorists without preconditions
    clearly doesn’t know history…………….but will talk to terrorists without preconditions

    will he take a teleprompter along when he talks to terrorists???

    I think Hillary should now offer to go with McCain to Iraq together!!

  181. djia,

    I think McCain should have included her in the invitation in the first place. That he didn’t, offends me.

  182. JanH, Hillary and McCain have been to Iraq many times!

    Djia, what was the name of the park in colorado springs you were talking about?

  183. EXACTLY. Every poll shows Hillary beating McCain, and Obama losing to McCain. The wimpy, liberal-latte wing of the party has reared its ugly head, and are returning to their grand tradition of nominating a candidate who makes them feel good about themselves, but who has no chance in hell of winning the White House. No wonder Republicans are so giddy these days.

  184. No, no, and no. We let lawyers decide the 2000 election by failing to count every vote in Florida, and we’re not going to let lawyers decide the 2008 election by failing to count every vote in Florida:

    —-
    May 29, 2008
    Democrats Advised to Seat Half of Disputed Delegates
    By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
    NYTimes

    Democratic Party lawyers have determined that no more than half the delegates from Florida and Michigan can be seated at the party’s August convention, dealing a blow to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s efforts to seat the full delegations from those states.

    The rules committee of the Democratic National Committee meets on Saturday to determine whether to seat the delegates from these states, which were penalized for holding early primaries.

    In asking that the full delegations from these states be seated, Mrs. Clinton hopes to narrow Senator Barack Obama’s delegate edge and make the case that by including the votes from these states, she will have more of the popular vote in the nominating contests, an assertion that has come under some dispute. But the party’s legal analysis, contained in a 38-page memo to the committee, says the committee can either seat only 50 percent of the delegates or seat them all but give them only half a vote, which amounts to the same thing.

    Whatever the committee decides about the delegates may not be a big factor in Mrs. Clinton’s pursuit of the nomination. Even if she were awarded all the delegates in proportion to her popular vote in those states — her best-case scenario — she could not overtake Senator Obama’s delegate lead.

    It is not entirely clear what the Obama campaign intends to ask for at the meeting but Mr. Obama has said he wants the delegates seated. His top aide, David Axelrod, has said that the campaign could go “half-way” on any compromise.

    The important goal for the Clinton campaign is to include the popular votes from those two disputed states in its overall vote tally. The Clinton campaign is already doing this, but because Michigan and Florida have been stripped of their delegates, an air of illegitimacy hangs over their votes and her opponents do not recognize their popular vote.

    If the rules committee seats even half the delegates from those states, that could confer some legitimacy on the Clinton’s inclusion of those votes in their overall tally, although a Clinton aide said that the campaign does not feel it needs the seating of the delegates to legitimize the popular vote. Those votes have been counted and certified by the secretaries of state in both states, the aide said, and the rules committee cannot alter that.

    The rules committee’s meeting is important because it needs to address the decisions by Michigan and Florida to move up their primaries in violation of party rules. The committee stripped the states of their delegates as punishment for doing so. If it restores the delegates, even at half strength, it may send a message to other states that next time they can violate the calendar without serious consequences, in effect a license for chaos.

    So the committee is in a box in trying to figure out how to respect the voters in Florida and Michigan, who were not responsible for this potential disenfranchisement, while still honoring voters in 48 other states where officials followed the rules.

  185. Katherine Seelye of the NYTimes misses two key points in her hopelessly flawed article today:

    1) She writes: “Whatever the committee decides about the delegates may not be a big factor in Mrs. Clinton’s pursuit of the nomination. Even if she were awarded all the delegates in proportion to her popular vote in those states — her best-case scenario — she could not overtake Senator Obama’s delegate lead.”

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. The more pledged delegates Hillary wins in Florida — and she should be entitled to the full apportionment, based on the voters’ wishes — then the fewer super delegates she needs to win the nomination. This is basic math.

    2) She writes: “The rules committee’s meeting is important because it needs to address the decisions by Michigan and Florida to move up their primaries in violation of party rules. The committee stripped the states of their delegates as punishment for doing so. If it restores the delegates, even at half strength, it may send a message to other states that next time they can violate the calendar without serious consequences, in effect a license for chaos.”

    Wrong again. What Katharine Seelye leaves out are the facts that FOUR OTHER states also moved their primaries, without any punishment from the DNC. The DNC has been playing favorites, and their actions have ALREADY created complete chaos.

  186. confloyd,

    I know that they have been there together on many trips. My point was that McCain and Obama are doing their best to squeeze her out of the news, almost as if it’s a done deal.

  187. Berkeley Vox

    Thanks for that clarification, as I was sure that I had hear that on the blog before. Why can they use false facts, and have fired people in the past for doing the same.

    I hear a rumor that the BO people have been told not to come to DC? Anyone know if that is true. I wonder why, because they already know the outcome is favorable to them, or they think they will get into trouble?

    Just wondering out loud.

  188. paddy4Hill Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
    JAS,
    It means registered Democrats vs. registered voters as a whole (members of both Parties, independents and others) are saying different things. While Obama is leading among Democrats (and this is suspect as always), he is losing to average voters.

    Dunno if this is a nationwide poll or what, but in polls of those who had voted in the primaries, Hillary was leading among registered democrats; Obama’s alleged lead included crossovers, “Dems for a Day.”

  189. rickya Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 9:29 am
    there is little attrition if Hillary was the Democratic nominee. The attrition will mostly come from a very small portion of the AA’s and the latte liberals.

    And who do they have to move to? Nader? Ron Paul? THEY aren’t going to McCain.

    So they just subtract one vote from Hillary’s total in Nov. When we defect to McCain, that subtracts one from O and adds one for McC, so that’s twice as much damage to the Dems.

    In other words, it would take a defection of 200 of Obama’s voters to equal a defection of 100 of ours!

  190. NewMexicoFan, my guess is that if Obama supporters are being told not to show up at the committee hearing, it’s because the Obama campaign wants the entire meeting to be done on the sly, without a lot of press coverage, because they know that it’s a public relations NIGHTMARE for them. They can’t be seen for what they are: disenfranchising Floridians and Michiganders, who have done NOTHING wrong.

    I’d love to ask Howard Dean why he won’t strip South Carolina and Iowa of any of their delegates, since they moved up their primaries, just like Florida and Michigan did?

  191. Email from Hillary to supporters, from this morning, in case anyone didnt get this:

    —-
    Dear Democrats,

    This Sunday, voters in Puerto Rico will go to the polls and make their voices heard — the first time the island has played such a vital role in selecting our party’s nominee. At this critical moment, I am depending on you to help me make sure they have a choice. We are depending on the voters of Puerto Rico in our fight to secure the nomination.

    It doesn’t matter what the pundits say. You and I know this race is up to the voters, and I’m going to keep fighting for every last vote. That’s why it is so important that we get voters to the polls over the next few days — and we can’t do that without your help.

    Over the next four days, we have the opportunity to make history in the Puerto Rico primary — and win the national primary vote by redoubling our efforts. Will you help us by matching a single contribution by someone who hasn’t given before? By matching a new donor’s contribution, your gift is worth twice as much — your $50 gift is worth $100, your $100 gift is worth $200.

    Contribute today, and your donation will go twice as far toward helping us make history.

    Puerto Rico isn’t the only important deadline our campaign faces. The final two races — in South Dakota and Montana — are just six days away. And this Saturday marks another crucial end-of-month fundraising deadline.

    And with the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee’s decision on Florida and Michigan also coming Saturday, there has never been a more important time to keep our campaign moving forward.

    We can finish the primary races strong and win the nomination, but only with your help. And because your contribution today is worth double, today is a great time to give.

    Throughout the course of this campaign, your support has made the difference time and time again. Now we are facing the last few primaries together, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    Thank you for everything,
    Hillary

  192. 1950 Democrat-I like that analysis. Since fewer people defect with him than with Her, that should speak loudly to the DNC.

    However, since they are hard of hearing it might not matters.

    Berkeley Vox-Thanks for the Reply. You get to the point where you read something into everything they do.

  193. Of course BO doesnt want his supporters at the hearing……like we were all saying…….what are they going to chant??

    ” rules are rules” “do not seat the delegates”

    BO is trying hard to hide the fact that he is the sole reason the fl and mi delegates have not already been seated.

    he knows the press will be like roaches on dirty dishes at this meeting and so there fore……he does not want his supporters
    there showing BO true colors.

  194. I don’t think it is because they already know what will happen or that it is being done on the sly. I think they know that the media eyes will be everywhere and that the Obamathugs bullying (caucus and blog style) could end up on the 6 o’clock news. It’s too late, but Bo is trying to present a softer, more respectful/ leadership tone that is a crock.

  195. I have not hear him come out and dispute the threat of riots by his followers. He should and must do that.

    That is what a leader does.

  196. Newmex: You said it: That is what a leader does. Obama is not a leader, therefore, we will not hear from him on this issue, I surmise. We did not hear from him about his supporter’s behavior in rigged caucuses. We did not hear him regarding the continual sexism aimed at his opponent. That is what a leader would do. That is what a leader looks like. Obama is a radical left wing version of George W. Bush. Neither are leaders.

  197. To Mr. Tom Hayden re a repeat of ’68. I don’t think it’s likely to be a “repeat.” You guys were relevant in the antiwar era…in fact, I was one of you then. How many lost Presidential elections does it take to convince you that you are operating from a flawed model of how this society changes. If you are talking about the streets of Denver, my money is not on you, nor the radical left. My money is on the coal miner from West Virginia, the lawyer from Seattle, the school teacher from Oklahoma, the nurse from St. Louis, the machinists from all over the country, from women everywhere. We are your worst enemy. We are people who truly believe in the real democratic party and the working people of this country. We are the ones you fear. we will meet you in the streets.

  198. Breaking…. this is a minor setback in the battle to count every vote, but I think the real battle is going to be WITHIN the Democratic party, to come to terms with an overly harsh and unfair penalty against FL and MI handed out by hothead Howie Dean:

    —–
    Florida Voter’s Lawsuit Dismissed
    By Krissah Williams

    A federal judge in Tampa has again tossed out a lawsuit filed by a Florida political consultant angry that his vote in the state’s Democratic primary will not count. Victor DiMaio’s lawsuit contended that the Democratic National Committee is discriminating against Florida voters. DiMaio argued that party leaders unfairly allowed Nevada and South Carolina to hold their presidential primaries prior to February 5, in part because of the sizable minority populations in both states, but punished Florida and Michigan for skirting the rules.

    “How do you ignore the fourth largest state in the nation and millions of Florida voters who exercised their right to vote?,” DiMaio said in a statement before the ruling.

    Judge Richard A. Lazzara agreed with the DNC, which said that it its practices are not discriminatory and political parties have a constitutional right to determine how delegates are selected in their nominating process. The party has stripped Florida and Michigan of all their delegates for bucking party rules and holding their primaries early.

    The fight among over the delegates is set to continue this weekend when the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC is scheduled to meet in Washington, D.C. to hear appeals by Florida and Michigan. Supporters of both Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have planned protests.

    DiMaio’s suit is the third filed against the DNC over its decision to strip Florida of its convention delegates. U.S. Senator Bill Nelson and Rep. Alcee Hastings, both Democrats from Florida, filed a lawsuit that was dismissed in late 2007 and a Florida Democratic state senator filed a suit last week.

    CNN is reporting that DiMaio is preparing to appeal to the Supreme Court.

  199. Mollyjrichards:

    “Obama is a radical left wing version of George W. Bush. Neither are leaders.”


    I think this pretty much sums it up. Two leaders, each beholden to the extreme wings of their parties, each a beginner politician who campaigns on “unity” and “uniter not a divider” rhetoric, each lacking the intellectual curiosity required of a President (Obama with chronic absenteeism on key votes, admitted that his office is always a mess, etc.), and each with no track record of legislative accomplishments. Wasn’t 8 years of that enough?

  200. Just got my weekly e-mail for donation request by the DNC….they continue to write despite my reply e-mails telling them what I really think of them…

  201. LOU DOBBS RADIO SHOW alert!

    By SusanUnPC on May 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM in Current Affairs

    Lou Dobbs’ war against Barack Obama continues!
    The show begins at noon PST and 3 p.m. EST. LISTEN LIVE HERE. Here’s the Macintosh plug-in that allows you to listen if you use a Mac.

    His schedule today:

    Wednesday May 28, 2008
    As Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton fight to the finish to see who will earn the Democratic nomination for president, Lou will be weighing in on the latest from the world of American politics.
    Mike Allen of Politico.com will offer his take on all things politics, as this fall’s general election begins to take shape. Clinton supporter Lanny Davis will also join Lou to talk politics, and he’ll offer his two cents on why his candidate should be the Democratic nominee.
    Lou will be joined Wednesday by Harvard Law School professor Elizabeth Warren, who will discuss how things are really looking for America’s middle class.
    Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council will talk to Lou about the intersection of politics and faith, and what we can expect in the coming months.
    And Doug Schoen, the pollster who was Bill Clinton’s research and strategic consultant during his 1996 re-election, will offer his thoughts on where the Democratic campaign goes from here.
    As always, Lou will be taking your calls to discuss the issues that matter most to youŠ and getting your thoughts on the direction in which America is heading.
    http://www.loudobbsradio.com/

  202. We’re making headlines:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/27/AR2008052702553.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Meyerson thinks HRC supporters should stop whining, and that complaints (about voting and DNC rule)s based on historical struggles are bogus.

    1. He conveniently overlooks that other states jumped the calendar.
    2. He also overlooks that Clinton’s support for Ignoring FL/MI were to help bolster the DNC to keep other states in line (I’m not sure of the exact timeline, when each state started frogleapping each other).
    3. He actually blames Clinton for lleaving her name on the MI ballot, instead of seeing that Obama wanted to undermine her expected win, and to use that in appeasing Iowa voters.

    His email is at the end of his tortured logic called an “op-ed piece”, in case you want to tell him a thing or two.

    &&&&&&&
    Clinton’s Two-State Two-Step

    By Harold Meyerson
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008; Page A13

    On Saturday, when the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Committee meets to determine the fate of Florida and Michigan’s delegations to this summer’s convention, it will have some company. A group of Hillary Clinton supporters has announced it will demonstrate outside.

    That Clinton has impassioned supporters, many of whom link her candidacy to the feminist cause, hardly qualifies as news. And it’s certainly true that along the campaign trail Clinton has encountered some outrageously sexist treatment, just as Barack Obama has been on the receiving end of bigoted treatment. (Obama has even been subjected to anti-Muslim bigotry despite the fact that he’s not Muslim.) But somehow, a number of Clinton supporters have come to identify the seating of Michigan and Florida not merely with Clinton’s prospects but with the causes of democracy and feminism — an equation that makes a mockery of democracy and feminism.

    Clinton herself is largely responsible for this absurdity. Over the past couple of weeks, she has equated the seating of the two delegations with African Americans’ struggle for suffrage in the Jim Crow South, and with the efforts of the democratic forces in Zimbabwe to get a fair count of the votes in their presidential election.

    Somehow, I doubt that the activists opposing Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe would appreciate this equation.

    But the Clintonistas who have called Saturday’s demonstration make it sound as if they’ll be marching in Selma in support of a universal right to vote. The DNC, says one of their Web sites, “must honor our core democratic principles and enfranchise the people of Michigan and Florida.”

    Had Florida and Michigan conducted their primaries the way the other 48 states conducted their own primaries and caucuses — that is, in accord with the very clear calendar laid down by the DNC well before the primaries began — then Clinton’s marchers would be utterly justified in their claims. But when the two states flouted those rules by moving their primaries outside the prescribed time frame, the DNC, which gave neither state a waiver to do so, decreed that their primaries would not count and enjoined all presidential candidates from campaigning in those states. Obama and John Edwards complied with the DNC’s dictates by removing their names from the Michigan ballot. Clinton did not.

    Seating Michigan in full would mean the party validates the kind of one-candidate election (well, 1.03, to give Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd and Mike Gravel, who also remained on the ballot, their due) that is more common in autocracies than democracies. It would mean rewarding the one serious candidate who didn’t remove her name from the ballot when all her rivals, in deference to the national party rules, did just that.

    What’s particularly outrageous is that the Clinton campaign supported the calendar, and the sanctions against Michigan and Florida, until Clinton won those states and needed to have their delegations seated.

    Last August, when the DNC Rules Committee voted to strip Florida (and Michigan, if it persisted in clinging to its date) of its delegates, the Clinton delegates on the committee backed those sanctions. All 12 Clinton supporters on the committee supported the penalties. (The only member of the committee to vote against them was an Obama supporter from Florida.) Harold Ickes, a committee member, leading Clinton strategist and acknowledged master of the political game, said, “This committee feels very strongly that the rules ought to be enforced.” Patty Solis Doyle, then Clinton’s campaign manager, further affirmed the decision. “We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process,” she said, referring to the four states that the committee authorized to hold the first contests. “And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC-approved nominating calendar.”

    Not a single Clinton campaign official or DNC Rules Committee member, much less the candidate herself, said at the time that the sanctions imposed on Florida or Michigan were in any way a patriarchal plot or an affront to democratic values. The threat that these rules posed to our fundamental beliefs was discovered only ex post facto — the facto in question being Clinton’s current need to seat the delegations whose seatings she had opposed when she thought she’d cruise to the nomination.

    Clinton’s supporters have every right to demonstrate on Saturday, of course. But their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it’s situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels.

    meyersonh@washpost.com

  203. “turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels.”

    Somehow I missed how Meyerson got to be an expert on feminism.

  204. “Obama and John Edwards complied with the DNC’s dictates by removing their names from the Michigan ballot. Clinton did not.”

    Also, as Bob Somerby points out today, the DNC did not dictate anything about removing names from the MI ballot.

    They removed their names in order to campaign for “uncommitted.”

  205. The above reminds us that the media have created their own echo chamber, free from reality. The same bogus talking points are repeated endlessly, until they supposedly become “fact”.

    # Obama’s lead is now “huge”
    # Obama *will* be the nominee
    # Hillar’sy future will see her consigned to wandering lonely streets in Washington DC, bereft of power and influence
    # The Washington Wizards will win the NBA championship next year.

    These clowns have a piss poor track record. The self-important Giant Talking Heads repeat what each other say and invite each other onto each one’s shows.

    Geez, I have to get my news from Fox???

  206. Harold Meyerson’s use of the term “Clintonistas” to smear Clinton supporters pretty much sums up his entire attitude and his article, too. As anyone who follows politics knows, “Clintonistas” was a slur invented and repeated by Rush Limbaugh during the 1990’s, and repeated by right-wing zealots.

  207. Myerson is a jerk. What hogwash. Obama and Edwards CHOSE to remove their names from the ballot. Dodd and Kucinich left their names on it. The DNC did not dictate that the names be removed. This biased and inaccurate reporting is very tiresome.

  208. rgb44hrc Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    # Hillar’sy future will see her consigned to wandering lonely streets in Washington DC, bereft of power and influence

    # The Washington Wizards will win the NBA championship next year.

    ROFL.

  209. If he is so far ahead, why are they so scared of Hillary? Because they know she has the popular vote and middle class America behind her….

  210. # Berkeley Vox Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Harold Meyerson’s use of the term “Clintonistas” to smear Clinton supporters pretty much sums up his entire attitude and his article, too. As anyone who follows politics knows, “Clintonistas” was a slur invented and repeated by Rush Limbaugh during the 1990’s, and repeated by right-wing zealots.

    # birdgal Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    Myerson is a jerk.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    Berkley, Birdgal, excellent points.

    What I am fairly pleased about is that Clinton’s supporters (and not just us here at Huge Pink) keep making news. Not bad for a campaign that is being portrayed on “life support”, that is being treated like Dodd in February.

    We must be doing something right if the media still is trying to convince us to “pack it in”. Or as jbstones sez:

    # jbstonesfan Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    If he is so far ahead, why are they so scared of Hillary? Because they know she has the popular vote and middle class America behind her….

  211. noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/lou-dobbs-radio-show-alert/

    LOU DOBBS RADIO SHOW alert! »

    By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com

    12:13 p.m. PST: Lanny Davis is on!

    Lou Dobbs’ war against Barack Obama continues! The show begins at noon PST and 3 p.m. EST. LISTEN LIVE HERE. Here’s the Macintosh plug-in that allows you to listen if you use a Mac.

    Go here to catch the podcast — usually posted about 3-4 hours after the show is over.

    His schedule today:

    Wednesday May 28, 2008
    As Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton fight to the finish to see who will earn the Democratic nomination for president, Lou will be weighing in on the latest from the world of American politics.

    Mike Allen of Politico.com will offer his take on all things politics, as this fall’s general election begins to take shape. Clinton supporter Lanny Davis will also join Lou to talk politics, and he’ll offer his two cents on why his candidate should be the Democratic nominee

  212. I think we all know what the score has been

    Edwards, was in this as Obama’s back hand, he’s been there from the beginning. He appeared to be on the fence but he was’nt.

    The both taking their names off the ballot : Planned
    Edwards ducking out just before Super Tuesday : Planned
    Edwards sitting back not endorsing until it was needed : Planned
    Edwards to become VP or AG : Planned

  213. IF Obama is nominee, I’m still not sure if I will vote for him, what do you guys think I should do?

  214. texan4hillary Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    super flips from bo to hill

    A V.I. super for Clinton. He’s Virgin Islands DNC member Kevin Rodriguez.

    UPDATE: Rodriguez, in fact, switched from Obama, for a net gain of two to Clinton. Prior to this, he’d switched from Clinton to Obama. A bit hard to figure out what to make of that.
    &&&&&&

    Perhaps Hillary’s strong showing since February is one factor.
    Or seeing how low Obama & Cabal (including the DNC and party heads) are willing to sink (race baiting politics, underhanded caucus .
    Or the DNC/MSM pile on, trying to convince the public that “This is the guy who’s going to beat the Republicans”…”Who? Him? I don’t think so…”.

  215. # rigso Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    IF Obama is nominee, I’m still not sure if I will vote for him, what do you guys think I should do?
    &&&&&&

    rigso…Good one. We all needed a good laugh.

    In case you haven’t noticed, there is not much Obamopium being smoked here. There are plenty of other dealers plying that stuff.

  216. Hi, Hillfriends: Been busy at work but checking in as time allows.
    Larry Johnson said,
    “Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted,…”
    Has anyone got a link to (or done themselves) a talley of the SD’s if they voted by who won their state? If HRC is ahead by this metric, then we publicize that result and that we agree with BHO.
    Cheers,
    III

  217. rgb44, ill take that as a no vote, i know i cant vote for McCain, but could always stay home or write in Hillary. This whole process has been unfair and the DNC and dem leaders are letting Hillary get thrased on silliness like RFK comments, while they defend every STUPID thing Obama says. THis isnt just about Obama its also about the party, I don’t know if I can give them my vote this year if Hillary is not nominee or on the ticket… but whats the consensus around here, havent been here in a while..

  218. Hey all. Just found this:

    New P.R. poll, Hill 51% Obama 38%
    Done by Univision and El Vocero (a Puerto Rican news paper).
    BTW, notice the number of posts are down, excepting brief flurries of activity.

    Hope everyone’s keeping their chin up….

  219. May 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    Emmy (formerly known as emkay)
    *
    Emmy: thanks for sharing your day in San Juan. “La Presidenta” has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

  220. hi hillfans. i was wondering if ANY polling is being done in pr. good news but i want a 20-point win in pr.

  221. Rigso, the consensus at Big Pink is that Obama needs to be stopped.

    Alternative opinions are welcome, of course, as is open dialog.

    Other items of consensus are:

    * The DNC should not be in the business of “fixing” the nomination, just be a fair referee

    * Dem leaders have been spineless in fighting Bush since allegedly “taking charge” after the 2006 elections. Many of these same individuals are all for backing Obama in the name of “party unity”.

    If “party unity” means we all drive off the cliff on the same bus, I’m gettin’ off right here, right now.

  222. May 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
    Blue Democrat Says:

    “New P.R. poll, Hill 51% Obama 38%”

    *
    Thanks for the great poll, Blue. I and maybe some others have been less active here or more active working for Hillary elsewhere – as someone said here a few weeks ago, it wouldn’t do to lose my job unneccessarily in this Bush economy.

  223. rigso, i don’t know how i will vote. my wife is staying home. her first vote ever was for kerry in 2004 at age 27. i have 20 years of voting dem. i just can’t stay home.

  224. May 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    rgb44hrc Says:

    “…spineless in fighting Bush since allegedly “taking charge” after the 2006 elections…. Other items of consensus…..”

    AMEN, rgb44hrc! How about adding:
    * Apply the rules fairly to all states that moved up their primaries.

  225. JAS Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
    Okay…. Iam a numbers whore!! I was looking at the latest Gallup tracking numbers, they read as follows.
    Presidential Nomination: Obama 51%, Clinton 43%. (Obama+8)

    General Election Match up: Obama 44% vs McCain 47% (Obama -3), Hillary 48% vs McCain 45% (Hillary +3)

    What does this tell me… of the 43% who want Hillary as the nominee, if she is not, they move to McCain in droves! Tell me if I am reading this wrong
    ********************************

    Also, last week, Hillary was down by 16pts and now coming off a week in which she was horribly trashed by the MSM for 5 days, she has closed the gap each day.

    What does that tell you? Her support is strong and they have tuned out the media. Also, they are in no way moving towards Obama, infact, he is OFF!

  226. JAS Says:

    May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
    Okay…. Iam a numbers whore!! I was looking at the latest Gallup tracking numbers, they read as follows.
    Presidential Nomination: Obama 51%, Clinton 43%. (Obama+8)

    General Election Match up: Obama 44% vs McCain 47% (Obama -3), Hillary 48% vs McCain 45% (Hillary +3)

    What does this tell me… of the 43% who want Hillary as the nominee, if she is not, they move to McCain in droves! Tell me if I am reading this wrong
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Another thing to read into this is: GALLUP.

    They have not been, so, how-you-say…..correct.

  227. Craig Crawford still “throwing strikes”:

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5

    Why Are Democrats Afraid of Florida?

    By Craig Crawford
    May 28, 2008 6:00 AM

    Myths abound in the latest Florida vote-count fight. For starters, this is not the fault of state Democratic leaders. The Republican-controlled state legislature, directed by its GOP governor Charlie Crist, created this situation.

    Sure, Florida Democrats did not vigorously oppose the Republican plan to move up Florida’s primary on the calendar, defying the rules in both parties. Instead, they negotiated a deal to ensure a paper trail in all future balloting.

    And for their efforts in leveraging a position of weakness to gain something helpful for future elections, Florida Democrats get hammered by a Democratic National Committee intent on diminishing the state’s influence in naming a presidential nominee.

    Why did national Democrats fear Florida so much? It is, after all, the nation’s largest swing state.

  228. OBAMA, The POLICY-MAN swings into ACTION:

    Obambi keeps looking past Hillary, as makes sense. Still, this column points out how Babe in the Woods would approach his First 100 Days of Fumblin’ Around. (And this from the guy who said that in his veep choice, he’d want “someone who knows a bunch of stuff”. Really, you can’t make up Bush-level bonehead comments like that).
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    blogs.cqpolitics.com/beyond/2008/05/obama-to-health-care-committee.html

    Obama to Health Care Committees: Yes, We Can
    By David Nather | May 28, 2008 3:35 PM

    If Barack Obama wins the White House in November, he’ll want Congress to get his health care plan moving by March or April.

    That’s what he said this morning at a fundraiser in Denver, according to a pool report distributed by his campaign. When a questioner asked what he’d do during his first 100 days, Obama said one of his top priorities would be his health care overhaul. “We need a bill . . . by March or April to get going before the political season sets in,” Obama said, according to the pool report.

    Talk about the Audacity of Hope.

    Granted, Obama didn’t say he wanted the bill finished by March or April. But to anyone who has watched Congress try to work on any legislation of this magnitude, even the thought that the congressional committees would be able to start the serious work that early – with all the industry groups that will demand a say in the hearings – puts a lot of faith in a very creaky system.

    Here are the highlights of what Obama is asking for:

    * A new national health plan, open to all Americans, based on the benefits in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.
    * A new National Health Insurance Exchange to help people buy individual coverage.
    * Mandatory coverage of all children.
    * A required contribution from employers who don’t offer health coverage or help their workers buy their own.
    * An expansion of Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

    It may be that Obama deliberately wants to get the health care effort started early to allow as much lead time as possible. But it’s still a lot to ask from all the committees that have a piece of the health care system.

    If only there was someone Obama could ask who has been through this before . . . someone who knows how hard it is push so many ambitious health care changes through all the committees that would have to sign off on them.

    Too bad she’s running against him.

  229. # rigso Says:
    May 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    IF Obama is nominee, I’m still not sure if I will vote for him, what do you guys think I should do?

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    rigso if you are still here I will tell you what I tell anyone that asks a question like that.

    First, I am not you. I do not know how you think, what you care about, or what issues matter to you. I could not presume to know what is best for you.

    However, if you are looking for guidance then I would suggest that since you found your way to this site, you can find your way to many sites including those of each candidate and decide for yourself what best fits your profile of a president.

    Second, if you spent any time on this site you would probably note that most are very staunch Hillary supporters including myself and would like nothing more than you to follow our lead. I say to you, follow no one, but weighing all the facts do what in your heart and mind you know is right. Lead your way!

  230. paddy,

    normally i would say STFU, to someone i didnt know telling me what to do, but since i dont know you, and i’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you dont know me…

    i had a reason for posting that, it had to do with strategy the bots want to use for the rules committee. that was the whole purpose…
    if it offended you, sorry, but too late now.

    but if your worried about my voracity, i suggest you go back a year on this thread ,and see if you can find anything about me, that makes you think i’m not to be trusted…
    if so, get back to me on that okay?

    otherwise, i will respect your complaint, and plan on you respecting me…

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