Hillary Clinton Lifts The Proud, Bloody Flag Of Civil Rights

Barack Obama has never helped anyone but himself. Barack Obama has never been engaged in the great struggles. In fact, Barack Obama disdains the stuggles Democrats have fought, relegating those proud, fierce struggles to the past.

Barack Obama does not understand how fiercly and relentlessly we will fight for the voting rights of Florida and Michigan voters, because he has never fought a battle.

Obama went to iconic Selma to lie about the energy bill and the year he was conceived. Hillary Clinton went to Selma and evoked the Reverend James Cleveland – only to be mocked by Big Media.

Yesterday, Hillary picked up the proud and bloodied flag of civil rights and waved it for all to see.

We will fight for Florida and Michigan all the way to the convention and beyond. We still have not forgotten about 2000. Democrats know that in 2000 when the intent of Florida voters was not respected every Democrat in every state was diminished. Every Democrat, not just in Florida, suffered from the stolen election which took place in Florida.

On May 31, 2008, the Democratic? National Committee’s Rules Committee will meet to fix the election for Barack Obama. The audacious hope is to nominate Barack Obama at the Democratic? National Convention on or around Women’s Equality Day – August 26.

Rules Committee member and Obama shill, Donna Brazile, and the Chicago thugs must not be allowed to steal this election in a backroom deal. The voters and how they actually voted must be respected. The intent of Florida and Michigan voters must not be “reinterpreted” by Democratic? Party officials in “hanging chad” proceedings.

The Rules Committee meeting must be broadcast on-line and televised as well. Let all Americans see how the Democratic? National Committee is using rules to discriminate. No backroom deals. The previous Rules Committee meeting which changed its own rules in order to disenfranchise Michigan and Florida 100% (two states Obama could not win) was not seen by most Americans.

Let the Rules Committee feel the heat generated of national attention.

Major figures from the Hillary Clinton campaign should consider attending the May 31 meeting. Hillary will be campaigning in Puerto Rico. Perhaps Bill Clinton or Chelsea can attend the Rules Committee. Governor Ed Rendell should attend the meeting. Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones should attend the meeting.

Let’s force the Rules Committee and Obama/Dean/Brazile/Pelosi discriminate against Florida and Michigan in public. Let’s then appeal any and all discriminatory rulings in Denver before the Credentials Committee of the Democratic? National Convention. Force the Democratic? National Committee, in late August, a few months before the general election, to discriminate against Florida and Michigan for all the world to see.

The Puerto Rico primary will be held on June 1, the day after the Rules Committee decision. Let Hillary, in her Puerto Rico victory speech announce that the Civil Rights battle for the voting rights of Florida and Michigan citizens will take us all the way to Denver.

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Kevin Spacey, who stars in the movie Recount, about the 2000 battle for voting rights in Florida (Bush v. Gore) stated yesterday I do not see how you can pretend two million people did not vote.

The movie Recount (The Future Of The Nation Was Hanging By A Chad) will premiere on HBO on Sunday, May 25, 2008 at 9:00 p.m. – six days before the Rules Committee meets.

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The Rules and Bylaws Committee of the Democratic? National Committee will meet on May 31, 2008 at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel. The meeting is open to the public. The Committee is insisting those who want to attend pre-register.

Let’s all register and attend the Rules Committee meeting on May 31, 2008. But beware: Don’t let them tell you there is not enough space. Show up no matter what. It’s time once again to fight for Civil Rights – inside and outside.

The arguments, pro and con voting rights for Florida and Michigan will take place in the morning session. The Committee will “deliberate” after they lunch – presumably on vittles not the voting rights of the citizens of Florida and Michigan.

REGISTRATION starts on-line at 10:00 a.m. next Tuesday, May 27, 2008. You may also call 202-479-5137 to register.

The Committee forbids “banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind” for those attending the meeting. For those who wish to protest outside presumably free speech will still be the law of the land.

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Hillary Clinton is prepared to go all the way to Denver to fight for the civil rights of Florida and Michigan voters. Hillary understand that often rules are made to discriminate.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton said she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far.

Asked whether she would support the states if they appeal an unfavorable rules committee decision to the convention floor, the former first lady replied:

“Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this.”

“I will consult with Floridians and the voters in Michigan because it’s really their voices that are being ignored and their votes that are being discounted, and I’ll support whatever the elected officials and the voters in those two states want to do.” [snip]

Asked if she now envisioned the race extending beyond June 3, Clinton replied: “It could, I hope it doesn’t. I hope it’s resolved to everyone’s satisfaction by that date, because that’s what people are expecting, but we’ll have to see what happens.” [snip]

Floridians “learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner,” she told supporters. “The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear: If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people isn’t realized and our democracy is diminished.”

“The people who voted did nothing wrong and it would be wrong to punish you,” she added.

Read Hillary’s truly excellent speech in full. We have most of the speech below:

Now, this year’s presidential election is like none other in history. And we have had more people engaging and volunteering, casting their ballots, than ever before. Everywhere I go, people tell me, “I’ve never given money to a campaign in my life; this year is different. I’ve never followed an election before; this time I can’t stop watching.” And there’s a reason for that. With our economy in crisis, and with two wars and our children’s future in the balance, more people than ever before are taking politics seriously.

I happen to welcome that because this is a democracy, and we’ve all got to participate. In fact, we want more democracy, not less democracy. We want more people taking a part in the selection of their president.

Here in Florida, more than 1.7 million people cast their vote, the highest primary turnout in the history of Florida. And nearly 600,000 voters in Michigan did the same. And not a day goes by that I don’t meet someone who grabs my hand or holds up a sign, no matter where I am, in Kentucky or anywhere else, and says, “Please, make my vote count.”

I receive dozens and dozens of letters and emails and phone calls, every couple of hours it seems like, all making the same urgent request: please count my vote. We used to be worried about voter apathy, didn’t we? We worried why Americans didn’t participate. Now, people are worried that their participation won’t matter.

I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.

I am here today because I believe that the decision our party faces is not just about the fate of these votes and the outcome of these primaries. It is about whether we will uphold our most fundamental values as Democrats and Americans. It is about whether we will move forward, united, to win this state and take back the White House this November. That has to be the prize that we keep in mind.

Because here in America, unlike in many other nations, we are bound together, not by a single shared religion or cultural heritage, but by a shared set of ideas and ideals, a shared civic faith, that we are entitled to speak and worship freely, that we deserve equal justice under the law, that we have certain core rights that no government can abridge and these rights are rooted in and sustained by the principle that our founders set forth in the Declaration of Independence. That a just government derives its power from the consent of the governed, that each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation. A generation of patriots risked and sacrificed lives on the battlefield for that ideal. [snip]

It took more than 70 years of struggle, setbacks, and grinding hard work and only one of those original suffragists lived to see women cast their ballots. There are women here today – as with my own mother – who were born before the Constitution granted us the right to vote. This is not something lost in the mists of memory and history; this is real. The generations here in this room have seen change. The men and women who knew their Constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence, and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right, so they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

Some gave their lives to the struggle for a more perfect union. There is a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It is because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children’s future. Because of those who have come before, Senator Obama and I and so many of you have this precious right today. Because of all that has been done, we are in this historic presidential election. I believe that both Senator Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees – in fact, we all have an obligation as Democrats – to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process every voice is heard and every single vote is counted.

This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic Party, from signing the voting rights act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box, to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their Commander-in-Chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak. I am proud of our work today. We are fighting the redistricting initiatives that would dilute African American and Latino votes. We are fighting efforts to purge voters from the rolls here in Florida and elsewhere. We are fighting voter identification laws that could wrongly keep tens of thousands of voters from casting their ballots this November.

We carry on this cause for a simple reason, because we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people – nothing more, nothing less.

We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today, just as we believed it back in 2000 when right here in Florida, you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner. The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear. If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people is not realized and our democracy is diminished. That is what I have always believed.

My first job in politics was on the 1972 presidential campaign registering African-American and Hispanic voters in Texas. That work took me from home to home in neighborhood after neighborhood. I was determined to knock on every door and sign up every voter I could find. While we may not have won that election, I have never given up the fight. It is a fight I continue to this day.

Because I think it is appalling that in the 21st century, voters are still being wrongly turned away from the polls, ballots are still mysteriously lost in state after state, African-American and Hispanic voters still wait in line for hours while voters in the same state, even in the same county can wait just minutes to cast their votes. That’s why I’ve been working since 2004 with my dear friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones to pass the Count Every Vote Act; comprehensive voting rights legislation designed to end these deplorable violations. It will ensure that every eligible voter can vote, every vote is counted, and every vote can verify his or her vote before it is finally cast.

I will continue to fight for that same principle every day in this campaign. The fact is, the people of Florida voted back in January. You did your part. You showed up in record numbers and you made informed choices. But today, some months later, you still do not know if these votes will help determine our party’s nominee. You still don’t know if this great state will be represented at our convention in August. It is time you knew, because the more than 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan exercised their fundamental American right in good faith. You watched the news. You went to the candidates’ web sites, you talked to your friends and neighbors, you learned about our records and policies so you could make informed voting decisions. You didn’t break a single rule, and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control.

Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.

Now, I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country – that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people’s votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.

The votes of 1.7 million people should not be cast aside because of a technicality. The people who voted did nothing wrong, and it would be wrong to punish you. As the Florida Supreme Court said back in 2000, before the United States Supreme Court took the case away from them, as your Supreme Court said, it’s not about the technicalities or about the contestants. It’s about the will of the people. And whenever you can understand their intent, it should govern. It’s very clear what 1.7 million people intended here in Florida. Playing a role in the nominating process in a two-party system is just as important as having a vote in the presidential election on Election Day count.

We know it was wrong to penalize voters for the decisions of state officials back in the 2000 presidential election. It would be wrong to do so for decisions made in our nominating process. Democrats argued passionately. We are still arguing, aren’t we, for counting all the votes back in 2000, and we should be just as passionately arguing for that principle today, here in Florida and in Michigan. It is well within the Democratic Party rules to take this stand. The rules clearly state that we can count all of these votes and seat all of these delegates, pledged and unpledged, if we so choose. And the rules lay out a clear process for doing so.[snip]

I remember when President Lyndon Johnson addressed the Congress and the nation urging the passage of the Voting Rights Act. He declared, “I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy.” It was urgent, elevated language, but it was not hyperbole. Now, as back then, those are the stakes. That’s why here in Florida, even when you were told your primary might not count, you voted anyway.

A Floridian I know from Tallahassee told me about his mother’s canasta club. It’s a group of women in their golden years who gather every week to play cards and visit. They talked about that Florida primary every week as they gathered around the card table. They followed the news closely. They discussed the candidates and their positions on the issues. They knew about the dispute over the primary schedule and the question of seating delegates. And when it came time to vote, like so many other good citizens of this state, the ladies of the canasta club dutifully cast their ballots for the candidates of their choice. They made informed choices. They did nothing wrong, and they should not be punished for doing their civic duty.

You knew then what Americans know, that this political process of ours is about more than the candidates running, the pundits commenting or the ads blaring. It’s about the path we choose as a nation. If anyone ever doubted whether it mattered who our president was, the last seven years with George Bush should have removed every single doubt from anyone’s mind.

That’s why you voted, and that’s why I’m running. And that’s why you’ve been organizing and raising your voices, hoping to have your votes count. You refused to stay home then, and you refuse to stay silent now. Because you want to change America’s future and you have faith that your party, the Democratic Party, will give you that chance. I’m here today because I believe we should keep that faith, listen to your voices and count every single one of your votes. If we fail to do so, I worry that we will pay not only a moral cost, but a political cost as well.

We know the road to a Democratic White House runs right through Florida and Michigan. And if we care about winning those states in November, we need to count your votes now. If Democrats send the message that we don’t fully value your votes, we know Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them. The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument. Why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic Party to look out for you when they won’t even listen to you?

Now, if you agree with me, I urge you to go to my website, HillaryClinton.com, and join the more than 300,000 who have already signed our petition asking the Democratic National Committee to count your votes. All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the territories will have a chance to play a role in this historic process. Now is not the time for our party to have a dialogue about which states and which votes should count. The people of Florida are all too familiar with where that discussion can lead. In the end, we cannot move forward as a united party if some members of our party are left out. Senator Obama and I are running to be president of all Americans and all 50 states. And I want to be sure that all 50 states are counted and your delegates are seated at our convention.

So will you join me in making sure your voices are raised and heard so that your votes can be counted? Because remember, it’s been the mission of the Democratic Party, guided always by the understanding that as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said, “the ultimate rulers of our democracy are not the president, the senators, the members of Congress and government officials, but the voters of this country.” In this Democratic Party, the voters rule. So let’s make sure your voices are heard and your votes are counted.

Thank you, and God bless you, and God bless America.

Barack – God Bless America, Not God Damn America.

Hillary, don’t give up the fight. All the way to Denver!


363 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Lifts The Proud, Bloody Flag Of Civil Rights

  1. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

  2. When this song was first heard it was sexually suggestive. Now, we sing it together – Hillary, Please, go all the way – to Denver:

  3. In the spirit of the day, and the fight to count EVERY person’s vote, and the fact that WE have the lead in the popular vote, and that WE are not disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida, and that WE have the moral high ground, here’s a song from one great immigrant to New York, to another great Senator who moved to New York, too:


  4. OMG, Hillary’s speeches are masterful and should go down in history as groundbreaking as any by MLK or any other statesman. I have learned, during this process, that teaching my only daughter that she could be anything she wanted to be was a mistake. What I should have taught her [and we must teach all of America’s Daughters] was about the 70 year struggles and sacrifices that women [and continuing today with such misogyny prevalent in the race for the White House] in prior generations endured so that I could teach her she could be whatever – just maybe not President. And we have not taught our sons [America’s Sons] much either when one of America’s sons truly believes that he could apply for the most important job in the world with a paper thin resume and very little meaningful experience. Ameica must do better at teaching the history to its sons and daughters.

    Hillary speaks for me, and my family.
    Count our VOTES; ShortTermer from FLORIDA!

  5. Hehe, I love it Ronald. It’s not the same without your bold line of confidence in out next president to be, keep at it!! It makes me smile, and think of that reality more often, thank you.

  6. I’m not a Robert Novak fan by any stretch, but he’s salivating over McCain’s opportunity to slice-and-dice Obama, politically, if he’s the nominee:


    McCain is not about to disarm. His campaign has no intention of fighting this battle on Democratic turf. During the more than five months until Election Day, Republicans will explore the mind-set of this young man who is a stranger to most Americans. That includes his association with the Chicago leftist William Ayers, who has remained unrepentant about his violent role as a 1960s radical. It will not be popular with McCain’s erstwhile admirers in the mainstream media, but America will hear more about Ayers in this campaign.

    Indicating what lies ahead is the McCain campaign’s plan to bring in Tim Griffin, a protege of Karl Rove, who is a leading practitioner of opposition research — the digging up of derogatory information about political opponents. Although final arrangements have not been pinned down, Griffin would work at the Republican National Committee, as he did during Bush’s 2004 reelection campaign.

  7. Adm: Thank you so much for posting the entire speech. It was masterful. Her speeches always speak from the heart, and are truly genuine and honest. She is a great woman. Hillary inspires me, to be a better and stronger person. I love that woman.

  8. The pringle report Part VI may be delayed.The jury has been deliberating but facing a recess because of the up coming holiday.Pringle bases all of these articles on the actual court testimony and reporters from the Chicago Tribune post it on the net. A good site for more of Ms Pringles great investigative work can be found at evelyn-pringle@sbcglobal.net. You will find her a very careful and prolific reporter.I also go to google and her work. Barack Obama Operation Board Games For Slumlords by Evelyn Pringle. If the DNC and the MSM won’t Vett. him, YES WE CAN. Enjoy folks as I do,it helps chase the blues that occur when I hear disparaging words about our Hillary.She’s a Winner

    By ABM90 The old Dog that Still Hunts

  9. Dear Wellesley Women for Hillary Texas members:

    I want to alert you to a deeply disturbing situation affecting Texas Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. She has been subject to incredible abuse for supporting Hillary – including being booed at the Texas Convention, hate mail and even death threats. She has faced this harsh and inexcusable treatment simply for supporting a Democrat (other than Obama) and remaining loyal to that Democratic candidate. I have attached an audio of an NPR interview which addresses the open hostility that many African American supporters of Hillary are enduring (this part of the discussion can be found at 10:38 on the audio recording).

    I am writing to urge you to do two things:

    – Please write and express your strong support and thanks to Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee for her leadership and loyalty. Please send such letters to William Paul Thomas at williampaul.thomas@mail.house.gov and wmpaulwptassociates@yahoo.com. Make sure that she knows that you are from Texas.

    – Second, anyone who is a delegate or an alternate at the Texas convention in early June should be sure to be vocal in their support of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. Please pass the word to others who will be delegates or alternates. We need to make sure that Congresswoman Jackson Lee feels our support and understands our gratitude.

    Thank you again for all of your support.

    Susan Esserman

  10. New polling shows Obama would lose crucial swing states (OH, FL, PA) but Hillary would win them:


    Plagued by a defection of Clinton supporters and white working class voters, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the leading Democratic presidential contender, trails Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican candidate, in Florida and Ohio, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today. Sen. Obama is six points ahead in Pennsylvania. New York Sen. Clinton wins handily in all three states. No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University polls show:

    * Florida: Clinton tops McCain 48 – 41 percent; McCain leads Obama 45 – 41 percent;
    * Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 – 41 percent; McCain tops Obama 44 – 40 percent;
    * Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 50 – 37 percent; Obama leads McCain 46 – 40 percent.

    In the McCain-Obama matchups, 26 to 36 percent of Clinton supporters in each state say that if Obama is the nominee they would switch to the Republican in November. Only 10 to 18 percent of Obama supporters say they would defect to McCain if Clinton is the nominee.

    “The numbers for Florida and Ohio are good news for Sen. John McCain and should be worrisome for Sen. Barack Obama. That is especially true about Ohio, which decided the 2004 election. Ohio’s economy is worse than the rest of the country and the Republican brand there is in disrepute. McCain’s Buckeye lead may be a sign that nationally this may not be the easy Democratic walk to the White House that many expected,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

  11. Great op-ed piece from today’s Washington Post:

    The ‘Not Clinton’ Excuse

    By Marie Cocco
    Thursday, May 22, 2008; Page A25

    A woman? Yes. But not that woman.

    It is the platitude of the moment, an automatic rejoinder to any suggestion that Hillary Clinton has struggled so desperately — and so far unsuccessfully — to grasp the Democratic presidential nomination in some measure because she is female.

    It isn’t the woman part, the rationale goes. It’s the Clinton part: that “polarizing” persona and “unlikable” demeanor. The unappetizing thought of President “Billary.” The more inspirational quest by Barack Obama to become the country’s first black president.

    Yet the question remains: If not now, when? If not Hillary, who?

    The record suggests that if Clinton is not the nominee, no woman will seriously contend for the White House for another generation. This was the outcome of the 1984 Geraldine Ferraro experiment. After 24 years, Ferraro remains the only woman ever to run for national office on a major-party ticket. And she was selected, not elected, as a vice presidential candidate.

    “Maybe a generation from now,” says Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “My feeling is, I don’t see who’s coming after Clinton, and I don’t feel like it’s going to be easy for whoever comes next.”

    The United States already lags miserably behind the rest of the world in electing a woman as head of state. To look around the globe is to see a stark truth: Americans seem peculiarly averse to female leadership.

    Women have had some success in gaining legislative office. Yet only eight women currently serve as governors, the springboard to the White House for four of the past five presidents.

    So which woman, exactly, would be acceptable?

    Readers — that inexact approximation of vox populi — typically answer: Someone like Margaret Thatcher or Elizabeth Dole or Condoleezza Rice or Christine Todd Whitman or maybe Kathleen Sebelius, the Democratic governor of Kansas. The roll call itself illuminates the barriers.

    Thatcher, for instance, never ran for executive office on her own. She became the first (and only) female prime minister of Britain by reaching the leadership of the Conservative Party. That is how many female heads of state have risen — through parliamentary systems that often use quotas to guarantee women legislative seats. Americans don’t like quotas much.

    And we don’t like political wives who strike out on their own. Yet around the world, political spouses, widows and daughters are elected with stunning regularity. Indira Gandhi of India; Corazon Aquino of the Philippines; Violeta Chamorro of Nicaragua; Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan; Cristina Fernandez, the current Argentine president — who succeeded her husband — all rose to power through family connections.

    Here, though, revulsion often is expressed at the prospect of the Bushes and Clintons trading the White House among one another. But the “dynasty” argument didn’t impede other American political families: not the Adamses, nor the Roosevelts nor the Kennedys. It sure didn’t keep George W. Bush from becoming president.

    Though it never sparked the rancor attached to Clinton’s White House drive, Dole’s brief presidential bid in 2000 was a preview. Dole, now a Republican senator from North Carolina, served as a Cabinet secretary in two administrations and headed the American Red Cross. Yet a review of media coverage by Rutgers political scientists showed that when Dole received in-depth coverage, nearly two-thirds of the stories mentioned her marriage to Bob Dole, the former Senate Republican leader and presidential candidate. Elizabeth Dole’s marriage to a powerful politician often drowned out discussion of her own record.

    No woman on the political horizon possesses the portfolio that Clinton brought to this campaign: National name recognition. A record as a prodigious fundraiser — for herself and scores of other Democrats. Winner of two Senate races in New York, a rough-and-tumble state with a trove of 31 electoral college votes and Democratic donors with deep pockets. And a huge, loyal base of support within her party.

    Who can compare? Not Secretary of State Rice. She’s never run for elective office, and it’s tough to run for president with no experience in those muddy trenches. Not Whitman. The former New Jersey governor has openly broken with conservatives who dominate the Republican Party. Not Sebelius. She heads a state with six electoral votes and limited fundraising potential.

    Clinton cleared the hurdles often cited as holding American women back, yet she is unlikely to surmount the final barrier. So you have to wonder.

    Is it something about Hillary, or something about us?

  12. Adm: I saw this on TM:


    thank you for telling me about the-Clintonsupporterscounttoo-site fraud. I found the info on Hillaryis44.
    Meanwhile, I feel like an idiot because now those people have my e-mail and address.
    thank you though
    rosie | 05.22.2008 – 2:07 pm | #

    Is there a problem with the site?

  13. Don’t be fooled by any women but not that women crap.

    They are only trying to convince you that they would vote for a women. In reallity they are only getting out of supporting the Best Potential Presidential Candidate we have seen in years.

    They are only disguising their prejudice.

  14. Admin:

    Great post. Yes!

    I’m glad you liked the “anti-Barack Vatican” line. And Big Pink is, and it needs to be, just like there had to be an Underground Railroad to counter the terror of slavery, which Obama’s maternal ancestors helped perpetuate.


    I’m really glad that people went and looked up the Hillaryis44 stuff on Google. It really helps drive home the point of just how influential the site really is, and just how much the media hawks Big Pink.

    We are being watched, and all of us can have a big impact. Just keep working, don’t get discouraged and don’t give up. The world is watching, and we will show them what Hillary supporters are all about: justice, determination and resistance to Bambian fascism.

    If Bambi, descendant of slave owners, is wrongly nominated by the Dem elites, we will all bear a tremendous responsibility to make sure he is not elected in November. We owe this to our party and our country.

    Few know better than we just how dangerous, divisive and blatantly dishonest Barack and his Brownshirts are. It is up to us to help educate the masses and to both help fight off and educate a pliant, ‘white-guilt’-susceptible, pseudo-intellectual MSM.

    In summary: If Bambi is nominated, we will be one of the last lines of defense against him being elected, particularly in our party. As I said last night, we will be the Minutemen asked to defend against the British troops. There is no choice; we have to protect our party and our Republic against Bambi and his recidivist, race-baiting, One World Government madness. This isn’t a game and we’re not playing. It’s one thing to have the Bambian Secret Police making death threats to non-believers when they are merely a fringe sect; it’s a totally different thing if such sanity-challenged rogues are institutionalized by virtue of a Bambi Presidency.

    Because the media is watching, let me repeat an important point here:

    We Clinton supporters are committed to bringing down Obama’s race-baiting, duplicitous candidacy only utilizing legal means. The Stalinistic, illegal, physically coercive, “we’re-going-to-post-pictures-of-you-supporters-and
    -try-to-get-you-fired” stuff is the province of the Bambians, not Clinton’s supporters. We are not racists and we are not going to allow ourselves to be constrained by those who wish to apply such a term to us in hopes of silencing our efforts.

    Like our candidate, we are fighters. We are not going to quit or yield to the destructive Obama campaign. If the time comes when Hillary has to rally behind Obama (and that is looking less likely by the minute), we will understand her position, accept it, and continue our efforts to derail the amoral and repugnant candidacy of Raila Odinga’s cousin.

    As FDR once said, we Clinton supporters/those who wish to take back the party from the wanton race-baiting Bambians “have only just begun to fight.” What you have seen so far is nothing. As I said, all of our efforts (at least any I’m personally associated with) will be legal and fair. However, if you think we’re going to be bullied into gong soft on Bambi or ‘laying off of’ Mish you are going to be dramatically disappointed. As I have said before, the Bambians started the ‘scorched earth’ game and now they have woken the sleeping giants and they have gotten their wish:

    Total War

    If Bambi is nominated, we Clinton supporters will be more than happy to unify with our Bambian brethren — right after Bambi is defeated on November 4th. After that happens, I’ll be more than happy to lead the ‘Kumbaya’ rounds. When his contemptible campaign is laid 6 feet under then we can get on with the business of healing the party and making sure we are unified heading into 2012.

    Until then?

    See you on the front lines.


    This is an excellent post on Hillary, feminism & sexism by jgilmore from HillaryClintonForum.net who just joined my site. Very well-researched post with historical context of what Hillary is up against:


    Highly recommended.


    Obama’s Veep ploy:

    This is simple. There’s nothing for him to hold onto, no fake parties in IA, for example, and so he is trying to propagandize the concept that he is already the nominee.

    More PR ‘wizardry’ from Team Obama that is sure to go over well with the people in FL, MI, Puerto Rico, MT & SD.

    These Bambians are sharpshooters: Nobody takes better aim at their own feet than this posse.

    Ha ha.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  15. I know that Ted Kennedy is sick, but why is he asking Obama to speak at Wellsley because he is too sick to do it. Wellsley is Hillary alma mater. Ted needs to concentrate on his illness and getting well and stay out of politics! I get from S. Smith on Fox, that Kennedy is handing his place over to Obama!

  16. Birdgal:

    That TM thing sounds like the current Bambi Astroturfers’ efforts to undermine the anti-Barack coalition. Sounds like bunk.

  17. Birdgal, Universal, the information is on the page we have posted in cooperation with Hillary Supporters Count Too. http://www.hillaryis44.org/?page_id=623

    There is a counterfeit site using their name and apparently collecting information and money.

    Hillary Supporters Count Too asked us to post information until they straighten out the situation. What we post on the Hillary Supporters Count Too page is officially sanctioned, requested, by the group.

    It would help greatly if the information regarding the counterfeit site was circulated widely. Official notices from Hillary Supporters Count Too can be obtained at


  18. confloyd Says:

    May 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
    I know that Ted Kennedy is sick, but why is he asking Obama to speak at Wellsley because he is too sick to do it. Wellsley is Hillary alma mater. Ted needs to concentrate on his illness and getting well and stay out of politics! I get from S. Smith on Fox, that Kennedy is handing his place over to Obama!

    Sorry, to say this, but he is a backstabber. If waffles has any scruples, which we know, he does not, he’ll decline. This is another slap to Hillary.

  19. Have you heard about this one?:

    recreate68.org/ Add the www or whatever you need.

    I just heard on radio that this is a pro-Obama organization which is planning to destroy Denver if Obama does not get the nomination. They claim to be doing this in support of the will of the people. They don’t say which people. You might open the links they provide, but they are not saying a lot about it. What they intend to do should be obvious.

    For those who don’t remember what happened in 1968 in Chicago, here is a history:

    cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml Again, add www or whatever you need.

    Maybe this is old news to everyone, but I just want to share it.

  20. Sherm Kader, if you go into the site, it shows police tactics and all kinds of violent stuff, they must of gotten Ayers to help with all of it.
    As for myself I do not negotiate with terrorists, we will take it to the convention what ever happens!!

  21. Birdgal, Ted Kennedy is a man that cares not for anything that women have to offer. He has shown his chavinist ways his whole life. He uses women! I also think he wants to strip the Clintons of their power and in doing so he will tear the DNC all the way down to nothing. He only cares about his legacy and now we know what that will be Ted. You will be responsible for the demise of the democratic pary!!

  22. Yes, confloyd. From reading there it seems to be so far left that is smacks of the old communist programs.

    I have to admit I heard about this from Rush Limbaugh. He thinks it’s just grand since it will be another black eye to the Democrats. The Obama thugs don’t care about a little thing like that.

  23. I think us Hillary supporters need to answer the Recreate68.org with a webpage of our protests also!!

  24. I’m not sure a webpage will be enough, but that depends on what you have in mind. These people intend some serious violence.

  25. Sherm Kader, your right it will be another black eye for the dems, but its not the real dems organizing this. This sect is a maxist black liberation that is trying to take over the DNC. Obama’s campaign has said there is someone in his staff that is planning the DNC takeover as we speak. Not sure where I read it, maybe USATODAY, maybe!

  26. The far left of the party think they are electing a stooge to do their bidding, and that they will be more in charge of the party than they now seem to be. If they are successful, I believe they are in for a shock.

  27. Admin:

    Thanks, that helps a lot.

    Sounds like more internationalist-type propaganda efforts to derail the resistance to the Bambian Borg.

    Remember, these people want to run Dem Party ‘shadow institutions;’ running shadow websites is nothing for them, philosophically.

    I’ll post something about this on my own site to get the word out, and I will spread the word. We might even want to do some video work to help get out the HSCT info. Something we can think about.

    Stalinists never fall easily, just ask D-Wild Dougie Wilder and his insane statements on rioting in Denver.

    The hardcore dead-enders like him and other Bambi Fascists are always, it seems, ready to bite a few rubber bullets before they are dragged kicking, screaming, and mace-filled from the stage.

    Hey, if they want to give the Colorado National Guard a workout, who are we to stand in their way, right?


    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  28. Obama needs to come out and tell those thugs that he does not want violence in Denver…that he will support the nominee whoever that may be. This wanabe has done more to incite rioting/violence/hatred than anything else. His change mantra is a joke!

  29. Sherm Kader, I think a webpage is good, but I mean we have to organize a protest in Denver. I am going anyway, I wonder how many will come with me? All kinds of people protest and I see no reason we can’t.

  30. We have already had a Thief in Chief, we don’t want another. The last Thief in Chief got in by disenfranchizing the Fl. voters and now this on is going to try. I all have to stand up and say not again, Never!

  31. New NV and CA polls also show Obama doing worse than Hillary.

    Rasmussen Reports

    McCain 46, Obama 40… Clinton 46, McCain 41

    Obama 52, McCain 38… Clinton 54, McCain 35

  32. Ted’s lost his mind and I think now that America knows he has a brain tumor they realize that his endorsement of Waffles is nothing but his cancer talking. His endorsement didn’t do jack for Obama anyway .. most people I talk with know Kennedy is dirty as they come and the first thing out of their mouth is remembering he was responsible for leaving a woman to die.


  33. yeah, for a candidate who’s been “written off” she sure is winning the polls. Gotta love it.

    Keep fighting Hillary .. don’t give up.

  34. I can’t believe the DNC is putting our country at risk, by nominating such an empty suit, Chicago politician, socialist, such as waffles. Their egos are so large, that they are willing to put the country at risk. I have no respect, whatsoever, for the DNC.

  35. birdgal, if he selects a republican for a running mate, we will then know who is behind his candidacy, the chicago combine!

  36. if DNC care about electibility, care about the country, and care about the will of the people, they should force revote in FL and MI.

  37. Hillary is in DC today, voting.

    Obama is MIA – Not voting!

    Hillary is supporting GI BILL for Iraq vets.

    Obama is MIA – Not voting!

    Hillary is supporting the Farm Bill that Bush vetoed and trying to override the veto

    Obama is MIA – Not voting!

    Aren’t there Farms in Illinois?

  38. On a side note, scumbag Kennedy wants his Senate seat given to his wife after he dies…


    Ted Kennedy has made clear to confidants that when his time is up, he wants his Senate seat to stay in the family – with his wife, Vicki. Multiple sources in Massachusetts with close ties to the liberal lion say his wife of 16 years has long been his choice to continue carrying the family flame in the Senate. Kennedy won the seat in 1962; his brother John held it from 1953 to 1960. “There’s no question that he’d like Vicki to continue in his seat,” said one Massachusetts Democrat with ties to the Camelot clan who spoke to Kennedy recently, before his health crisis. “She’s smart, and smart politically.”

  39. marie……. i heard on the radio on my way home just a bit ago that they did over ride bush’s veto today!!


    will obama be MIA in the White house too????????

  40. Just in, assuming this (article, below) is somewhere on the old thread, haven’t had a chance to check;

    BTW, I head a audio snippet of Hill today that was just brilliant, saying in effect, “It’s not how brilliant you deliver a speech, but how you deliver what’s IN the speech.”

    “For a campaign struggling against the inexorable tide of numbers, some new poll numbers out today could provide a lifeline.

    Quinnipiac University surveys of key fall swing states shows Hillary Clinton with sizable leads over Republican John McCain in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, while Barack Obama, who is on the verge of clinching the Democratic nomination, trails McCain in two of the three.

    In Florida, Clinton is ahead of McCain 48 percent to 41 percent, while McCain leads Obama 45 percent to 41 percent, according to the survey.

    In Ohio, Clinton also leads McCain 48 percent to 41 percent, while McCain edges Obama 44 percent to 40 percent.

    In Pennsylvania, Clinton has a 50 percent to 37 percent lead over McCain, while Obama also leads McCain 46 percent to 40 percent.

    The new polls found that 26 percent to 36 percent of Clinton supporters in the three states say they would defect to McCain if Obama is the nominee.

    “The numbers for Florida and Ohio are good news for Sen. John McCain and should be worrisome for Sen. Barack Obama. That is especially true about Ohio, which decided the 2004 election. Ohio’s economy is worse than the rest of the country and the Republican brand there is in disrepute. McCain’s Buckeye lead may be a sign that nationally this may not be the easy Democratic walk to the White House that many expected,” Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement.

    The surveys, conducted May 13-20, have a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points in Florida, 2.8 points in Ohio, and 2.4 points in Pennsylvania.

  41. Oh, been meaning to figure & post this.

    Tally of votes in last 3 primaries (WV, KY, OR);

    BO: 659,460 / HRC: 948,266

    HRC + 288,806

  42. kostner, I’m quite aware that you’re not a Democrat. You may support Hillary and that’s probably the only thing you and I have in common.

    He is a true progressive and people like me have long admired the legacy of the Kennedy family. I disagree with and have resented him for endorsing BO, but unlike you, using words like “scumbag” is not applicable to a man who has fought for Democratic principles his entire political career.

    Hillary paid a tribute to Kennedy in her victory speech just the other day. Perhaps it will do you good to follow her lead.

  43. A blast from the past for anyone who still remembers “Naftagate”

    PM’s embattled chief of staff to step down : Harper faced pressure to fire Brodie for alleged role in ‘NAFTA-gate’

    Canwest News Service

    Thursday, May 22, 2008

    OTTAWA – Stephen Harper’s chief of staff, Ian Brodie, is poised to leave the Prime Minister’s Office, according to several news reports.

    Brodie will likely step down in July, the reports said Wednesday night.

    He will be replaced by Guy Giorno, who served as chief of staff to former Ontario premier Mike Harris, the Toronto Star reported on its website.

    Harper had faced pressure back in March to fire Brodie for his alleged role in leaking details in the so-called “NAFTA-gate” controversy.

    The Conservatives came under fire for the leak of a diplomatic report that suggested that U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s public criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement might have been nothing more than political posturing in the run-up to the crucial Ohio primary.

    Brodie allegedly talked to reporters about the leak during a budget lock-up.

    Obama campaign member and economist Austan Goolsbee got caught in a political maelstrom after it emerged he met privately on Feb. 8 with Georges Rioux, Canada’s consul general in Chicago, and discussed Obama’s views on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

    In a memo leaked to the media, Canadian diplomats reported that Goolsbee said Obama’s tough talk on NAFTA should be viewed more as “political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.”

    Rival Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton seized on the reports and accused Obama of employing a “wink-wink” strategy — saying one thing about NAFTA to voters in economically depressed Ohio, and another to foreign governments.

    Exit polls showed a sharp swing of support to Clinton on the heels of the controversy.

    At the time, Harper said the leak of the Canadian memo was “blatantly unfair” to the Illinois senator’s White House bid.

    Harper also pledged a full investigation into how an account of the conversation between Goolsbee and Rioux became public on the eve of the Ohio primary.

    © The Edmonton Journal 2008

  44. McCain decapitated BO after he accused McCain of partisan posturing on GI bill.

    “I respect Senator John McCain’s service to our country. … but I can’t understand why he would line up behind the president in opposition to this GI bill. I can’t believe he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the president more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them,” he continued.

    McCain, who was not in town for the vote, took issue with Obama’s assertions about his commitment to the troops.

    “I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did,” McCain said in a written statement.


  45. filbertsf, sorry for butting in to your conversation with Kostner,but I have to say I feel the same way he does.
    I can’t possible aspire to be the kind of person Hillary is, I just a regulary person and I get mad at people when they are being a jerk to the candidate I like.
    I am sure Ted has done many good things, but so has Hillary and you don’t see her bad mouthing Ted do you. Ted does not give the kindness back to Senator Clinton that she is giving him. Pardon me if I call him on it!

  46. From TIME. Think what you will. I c & p the reports, U decide.

    What Does Hillary Want?
    By Karen Tumulty

    A graceful exit is never easy in a business as fraught with ego and ambition as presidential politics. Which is why in recent days, quiet calls have started going out to key supporters of Hillary Clinton who are showing signs of wanting to jump ship. Clinton’s emissaries point out that she is no longer attacking Barack Obama, and they promise she won’t start again. Allow her to ride out the last few primaries, they argue, and she won’t do anything to make it difficult for her longtime allies to switch their allegiances when the time comes.

    The latest round of calls was a tacit admission that while the battles aren’t over, the war has been lost. It also raises the question, What will Clinton’s terms of surrender turn out to be? Her husband, for one, seems to have a pretty clear idea what he thinks she should get as a consolation prize.

    In Bill Clinton’s view, she has earned nothing short of an offer to be Obama’s running mate, according to some who are close to the former President. Bill “is pushing real hard for this to happen,” says a friend. Hillary is more opaque about what she might want, divulging little even to those who see and talk to her every day. “It’s as plain as the nose on your face that this whole thing has shifted to a different mode,” says a top Clinton strategist. “But I don’t know what she wants. I don’t know what she’s thinking.”

  47. Ok, one more. Should hold ya’ll over for a while.

    RNC Hiring Rove Protege To Dig Oppo Research On Obama
    By Greg Sargent – May 22, 2008, 10:50AM

    The Republican National Committee is hiring one of the party’s toughest oppo-researchers — former Karl Rove protege Tim Griffin, who was also at the center of the U.S. Attorney scandal — to dig into Barack Obama’s past and unearth info to damage his general election candidacy, a senior Republican operative confirms to me.

    Griffin played a lead role in the GOP oppo operation during the 2004 campaign, unearthing info that damaged John Kerry’s presidential bid. According to the senior GOP operative, who’s familiar with Griffin’s past work, he was instrumental in unearthing a videotape of a 1971 interview that Kerry did in which he appeared to confirm that he renounced his medals to protest the Vietnam War.

    The video was subsequently used in an ad by the Swift Boat Vets, whose work was renounced by McCain. The McCain campaign — and the RNC — declined to comment on Griffin’s hiring.

    “Griffin is basically going to consult for the Republican National Committee on working out Obama’s vulnerabilities,” the senior Republican said, somewhat euphemistically. “The hope is to do to Obama what folks successfully did with John Kerry.”

    Griffin tends to describe his own work in fairly bellicose terms. “We think of ourselves as the creators of ammunition in a war,” Griffin once said. “We make the bullets.”

    Regular TPM readers will know Griffin from another prominent role, one that’s central to the U.S. Attorney scandal. After his 2004 oppo service, Griffin went to work at the White House as an aide to Karl Rove. In December 2006 he was quietly installed as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas in what later was revealed to be part of the Attorney Purge. Griffin later withdrew his nomination.

    Robert Novak had a one-line mention of Griffin buried in his column today, but only reported that his hiring was imminent, with no sourcing.

    More on this soon.

  48. Ughh.. the GOP are scary people. Bambi better brace himself. If they’re able to elect an idiot like Bush, you know they’ve got their stuff down.

  49. confloyd, trust me, I share your sentiments. But the man is gravely ill and, there are two things you should never do: speak ill of the dead and the dying.

    At least that’s what my mother taught.

  50. Have you seen this:

    Democrats file suit to seat Florida delegates
    Posted on Thu, May. 22, 2008Digg del.icio.us AIM reprint print email
    Florida’s history of discrimination against African Americans should force the national Democratic Party to count all of the state’s delegates at its national convention, a federal lawsuit filed Thursday claims.

    The suit, filed by state Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller and two other Democrats, claims that the federal Voting Rights Act prohibits the national party from stripping the state of its convention delegates.

    The Civil Rights-era law requires the U.S. Justice Department to approve any significant voting change in Florida to make sure it doesn’t disenfranchise minority voters. Geller argues that includes the Democratic National Committee’s demand that Florida switch ”from a state-run primary to party-run caucus system” to avoid losing its delegates.

    ”The purpose of this lawsuit is not to support one candidate over another; it’s to enforce one of the most basic tenets of our democracy: Count the votes as they were cast,” Geller said in announcing the lawsuit.

    Geller, a Cooper City lawyer, said the Democratic National Committee has repeatedly argued that the reason it is punishing Florida is because it held its primary before the February date authorized by the party and then refused to conduct a post-primary caucus to designate delegates.

    Geller argues that a caucus would have replaced the vote of 1.75 million Floridians with an event that was expected to capture only about 100,000 voters at 120 polling sites, thereby disenfranchising thousands of Florida Democrats, including those serving in U.S. military based outside Florida.

    The lawsuit was filed by Geller’s law firm, Greenspoon Marder, Miami lawyer Ben Kuehne and Dan Stengle of Hopping Green & Sams in Tallahassee. In addition to Geller, who is an uncommitted super-delegate, plaintiffs include a Florida delegate for Hillary Clinton, Barbara Effman and one for Barack Obama, Percy Johnson.

    The lawsuit also says that by penalizing Florida, the DNC is violating the constitutional protection on equal application of the law and a federal law that requires parties to write their own rules and then follow them. The lawsuit argues that DNC rules require it to conduct an investigation into questions involving state action, such as the premature primary date, but the DNC failed to conduct any investigation.

    The lawsuit comes as the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee is scheduled to meet in Washington May 31 to hash out how to settle the delegate dispute involving both Florida and Michigan.

    Geller, and two other plaintiffs, sent a six-page letter to the DNC accusing them of failing to understand the legal and practical problems of stripping the state of their delegates and demanding they restore the delegates to the convention.

    Geller believes the strongest argument Florida Democrats have in the legal challenge is how it relates to Section Five of the Voting Rights Act. The 1965 act was designed to protect blacks, primarily in southern states, from discrimination by banning literacy tests, poll taxes and unfair redistricting that had denied them access to the voting booths.

    In 1975, the act was broadened to cover five Florida counties — Collier, Hardee, Hendry, Hillsborough and Monroe — which were accused of discriminating against Hispanics and Native Americans who did not speak English well. Subsequent changes to the act have required the state to offer language assistance and Election Day monitors to ensure equal access to all minorities.

  51. The Obama campaign’s strategy has been “invent the narrative, and people will believe it, especially if the MSM pushes it”. Anytime Hillary wins a primary, ignore her win, and push “it’s time for her to quit”. Ignore the Indiana win, just continue to crow victory. Ignore the WV win, and push that on May 20 OB will declare victory. Ignore the Kentucky win, and start looking for a VP. Keep claiming that you’ve won, and people will believe it!

  52. Blue Dem:

    Great to see the RNC is getting serious about Obama. It’s time to dig the trenches and prepare for all-out war. This is good to hear:

    “We think of ourselves as the creators of ammunition in a war,” Griffin once said. “We make the bullets.”

    The Bambites are in the midst of trying to force their opponents’ disarmament while they themselves build and utilize nukes.

    Nope. Not happening.

    It’s time to start seriously laying the groundwork for the “Swiftboating” of Obama. The only difference is that Obama deserves to have these truths about him come out, whereas the material presented on Kerry was questionable (the whole ‘is he a ‘fake’ war hero?’ stuff).

    Obama really is backed by domestic terrorists; he really did campaign for — and lend his likeness to the efforts of — a cousin in Kenya whose supporters killed hundreds of people after his election loss; he really was close with communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis (‘Frank’ from Dreams from My Father); he really did choose J. Wright as his spiritual mentor for 20 years, the same Wright who mocked the thousands of dead Americans just 5 days after 9/11; he really did attend the Million Man March of Hitler-praiser Louis X Farrakhan; Malcolm “Chickens have come home to roost,” “By any means necessary” X was his teen hero; his wife really does hate America, despite her two Ivy League degrees and nearly $400K/year salary.

    This man is a disgrace, an embarrassment. And worse than that, he is dangerous. His backing by groups like Hamas and his eagerness to meet — without conditions — with figures like Ahmadenijad is beyond troubling.

    We need to work with these people as much as we are able to in order to make the anti-Obama efforts as efficient and effective as possible. There is no need for repetitive work.

    I am a Democrat, have always been a Democrat and have never either worked for or voted for a GOP candidate.

    Obama, and his disgusting, race-baiting campaign and his cult supporters, have changed all of that. It is now time to both vote for and help get elected a GOP candidate. If Bambi is nominated.

    This is bigger than parties. This is about our country and the color-blind dreams of MLK.

    And that is why, for the first time in my political life, I will embrace the following phrase:

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend

    Tim Griffin: Your mentor — your Jeremiah Wright — was the best at oppo, as we all know. Regardless of what anyone thought about him personally, he was a master (and still is).

    In Barack and Team Obama, if you don’t already know it yet, you are dealing with one of the dirtiest, basest, cultish campaigns you will ever see during your career. These people are assassins, totally without remorse. They will press the race card to the ends of the earth right into McCain’s throat. They will do and say anything to try to intimidate you and hurt those who oppose their leader. Be prepared because they are going to jump you from the start.

    As you and many, many other conservatives and anti-Cultists know, should Bambi be nominated then McCain has to go Hanoi Hilton on Bambi. F*ck all the ‘honor,’ ‘integrity’ crap — this is pit fighting and if you give these guys even one second they will stab you and McCain in the back and the race-baiters will have a free pass to the Oval Office.

    Novak is saying that Mac’s Army is ready to take Bambi’s Brigade head-on. Good, that is exactly what they need to do from the start.

    Tim: Make Karl Rove proud. John McCain, we Clinton supporters who will never support Bambi, and your country are counting on you now. This man is a clear and ‘present’ danger to our nation, and he needs to be — legally — stopped. Period.

    Good luck and Godspeed.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  53. The lawsuit was filed by Geller’s law firm, Greenspoon Marder, Miami lawyer Ben Kuehne and Dan Stengle of Hopping Green & Sams in Tallahassee. In addition to Geller, who is an uncommitted super-delegate, plaintiffs include a Florida delegate for Hillary Clinton, Barbara Effman and one for Barack Obama, Percy Johnson.

    That’s interesting. Then BO supporters can’t say this was conspired by the Clinton campaign since one of their own is a plaintiff.

  54. Exactly, Emmy. Every time Hillary scores another resounding win, the Obama team’s response is to trot out an endorsement from some tired political bigwig, and Big Media eats it up, hook-line-and-sinker.

  55. Clintondem99 quoted:

    The lawsuit also says that by penalizing Florida, the DNC is violating the constitutional protection on equal application of the law and a federal law that requires parties to write their own rules and then follow them. The lawsuit argues that DNC rules require it to conduct an investigation into questions involving state action, such as the premature primary date, but the DNC failed to conduct any investigation.

    I hope the attorneys also find a way to emphasize the DNC’s discriminatory tactics, given that FOUR OTHER STATES that moved their primaries — Nevada, NH, South Carolina, and Iowa — were not punished at ALL. Why? Because Obama thought he would win them.

  56. Berkeley Vox, May be law suits could be filed against the Caucuses that they disenfranchise millions of people. do you think any one has looke at that?

  57. wbboei, She spewes her venom at every opportunity she gets. Time magazine has bashed both clintons all this primary season.

  58. Did anyone hear the report of Bill Clinton saying he wants O to pick his wife for VP Say it is not True

  59. Neeta, It is all over the “news”. I think there is an article in Time mag. I am with you it better not be true.

  60. This is currently the most-popular, most-emailed article on the NYTimes — detailing Obama’s unelectability in Florida:


    May 22, 2008
    As Obama Heads to Florida, Many of Its Jews Have Doubts

    BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. — At the Aberdeen Golf and Country Club on Sunday, the fountains were burbling, the man-made lakes were shining, and Shirley Weitz and Ruth Grossman were debating why Jews in this gated neighborhood of airy retirement homes feel so much trepidation about Senator Barack Obama.

    “The people here, liberal people, will not vote for Obama because of his attitude towards Israel,” Ms. Weitz, 83, said, lingering over brunch.

    “They’re going to vote for McCain,” she said.

  61. Filbertsf wrote:

    That’s interesting. Then BO supporters can’t say this was conspired by the Clinton campaign since one of their own is a plaintiff.

    That’s a great, great point.

  62. I truly believe we are in the midst of Hillary Rodham Clinton making the most monumental historyy in the coutry’s history. Living History – Volume II – The story of a brilliant politician, a policy wonk with no equal – who refused to go away quietly into the night. The story of the most difficult Democratic nomination battle ever waged by the most formidable woman of our time. The story of smashing the glass ceiling against almost unsurmountable odds – out spent 2:1, 3:1, surviving gender slurs on an hourly basis, taking on City Hall, in this case Big Media and the DNC. Refusing to be counted out and leaving the states of Florida and Michigan behind like forgotten step-children, she took these two orphan states and made them her own. And even with all the makings of a Greek tragedy, in the end, it was the WILL OF THE PEOPLE DEMANDING DEMOCRACY that turned this heoine into everyone’s mother, sister, daughter. She became the forty-fourth President of the United States, passing reform legislation that elevated the country to one of former honor and glory, with the most progressive agenda ever implemented by Democrat or Republican. A woman for all ages. A true Renaissance Woman. Leader, caregiver, teacher, philanthropist. God Bless President Hillary Rodham Clinton and God Bless America.

    I know this is meant to be. Believe and it shall be. Believe with all your heart and soul. Believe.

  63. Some more theme music for y’all: U2’s scathing indictment of Big Media, done during the hard-fought ’92 presidential campaign during their ZooTV tour, when they first befriended the Clintons, is maybe even more relevant today than ever:


  64. Why in the H___ should she accept the VP spot when she is leading in ALL the major Polls, and she is leading in the Vote count.

    The only number Obama is leading in is DD (Dumb Delegates). And we know what he is promising them.

  65. I don’t know if this has been posted yet today or not? but here it is….. a great article on the sexism in this election

    Hating Hilary

    Andrew Stephen

    Published 22 May 2008

    Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which – sooner rather than later, I fear – will have to account for their sins

    History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes – rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which – sooner rather than later, I fear – will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.

  66. if bill said that today then i can only assume it was to serve several purposes

    1. tamp down obama
    2. keep hillary’s name in the media before the weekend
    3. instill in the minds of the voters that she has at,least earned that much
    which would go against obama’s attempts to “shut down” this election

    4. to stir the coals on the fire burning within hillary’s supporters
    reafirming our “anger”

  67. I think it should be also noted that Hillary is going to take all actions possible to take this to the convention, she is going to fight for MI and FL if they want it, and she is going to fight at the Rules and the Credential Committee meetings. Her supporter are going to protest, write letters, fund PACS, and if necessary vote for McCain.


    For some reason that sounds like a child threatening to have a temper tantrum, if they do not get their way.

    Senator Clinton is the Leader here, and she has set the tone with her followers.

    Has anyone hear Obama come out and say there will be no Riots. Did he tell Donna that there should not be any riots. He is not a leader, and he is not setting the tone.

    So what you do in this situation, is when you do the right thing (nominate Senator Clinton), you let the kids have the temper tantrums. You just make sure they are safe, and don’t hurt themselves.

    We know what they are doing here, they are using fear to get their way.

    We want a leader, not a person who does not know enough to tell his people, and Donna that there will no riots.

    And this person wants to be President. Everyday, he shows more reasons why he should not be. Today he missed a vote to override a veto for Veterans right.

  68. when my kids were little and they would lay down and sob and flail their legs and arms in a temper tantrum

    I made a point to come from across the room and step over them and keep on walking away…..

    it wasn’t 2 minutes and they stopped as if to say…….”what?” “didn’t you notice i was having a fit?” 😀

    we need to all “step over obama and keep on walking away”

  69. dija:

    I absolutely believe that we are smack dab in the middle of history in the making. Sexism is being exposed, finally, for the horrific, unfair and detrimental attitude and treatment shown to its’ victims.

    A little more crystal-ball gazing, if I might:

    In the case of Hillary Rodham Clinton – it took her courageous resolve to slog onward through frontal assaults of the most agregious kind to fire the battle-cry of “Yes we can,” and “Count the votes”. By propelling sinister sexism into the consciousness of America, women in this country demanded equal pay, shut down the music moguls who degraded women in song and video, and gave power to women throughout the world in tearing down curtains, holding back the realized promises of half of the human race.

    Envision her inaugural address in January 2009. Believe and channel your energy. WILL THIS to occur.


  70. Justme, I love the pic of the man getting his shirt autographed, he has hillary stickers all over his hat! Looks like Florida loves Hillary!

    I also want to comment on those articles about Bambi’s friends, WOW, how can we not ask her to take it to the convention. THese people need to be stopped. As Djjia says just step over the rioters and continue on, show them no notice just like your 2 year old and proceed to nominate the very best America has to offer and that is Hillary Clinton!!

  71. confloyd


    those who cry out loud about rioting WANT us to respond and respond loudly enough to be a big deal a big STORY

    but if we walk over and away and ignor……….they loose and we win 😀

  72. Ours use to wait until we had a basket full of groceries in a store, and then pitch a fit. We decided to always shop as a couple, so one could take the kid to the car and let them cry. We only had to do that once or twice. They discovered they missed out on selecting their favorite stuff.

    We continued to shop together as a family all the way through College. One day our youngest asked why we always went to the store together, that other family would not even let them go to the store to shop.

    I told them how it started, and it just continued. I felt they had learn some good shopping skills over the years.

  73. RE: Temper tantrums
    and Threats

    Women all know about temper tantrums. And bullies.

    Agree with the metaphor – step over Obama, just like children throwing a wall-eyed hissy fit on the floor in the middle of the room.


    So now he’s going to pick up his marbles and send the big bully down the block to “beat us up” in Denver? Women know all about bullies, too.


    Teachers do it every day, in the form of student against student, student against teacher, administrator against teacher. And guess what?


    Furthermore, students come and students go, administrators come and administrators go – but guess who is steadfast year after year after year? Women. We’re used to the tirades, pouting, bullying and abuse.



  74. A little change of topic. I heard they were behind in getting donations for the Convention in Denver. I wonder why. It looked like Denver had to come up with a certain amount, and they had not done that. The DNC is lagging behind in donation significantly to the GOP.

    I wonder if there is a message here. My money goes to Senator Clinton. It will not go to the DNC unless Clinton heads the Ticket.

  75. I like the presumptive nominee title. The only thing he is presumptive nominee of is the DD and the Media.

    Hay, maybe they should fund the convention. The Media ought to come up with a big chunk of change to crown their winner.

  76. It is time that the FBI looks into this threat to our citizens in the form of rioting and no doubt bodily harm to many of our people in expressing their right to choose a leader.

    Any Doubt Log on to recreate 68 and call 911

    By ABM90

  77. basil9, Clintondem99

    I agree. However, as we all know his new math stinks, so he is out choosing a running mate, instead of over turning a veto for the vets.

    As they say, a person does not change much after you marry them. In this case he will not change much after you elect them.

    History and experience does matter. The trouble with Senator Obama is he has little history and experience, and what he has is mainly missed votes.

  78. The media is claiming that it is hypocritical for Hillary to take the position that these votes should count because she originally signed a pledge that they would not. In so doing, the media neglects to inform the public that she sought a do-over vote, and even agreed to pay for it but the Obama campaign balked. The caucus vote proposed by Dean was rejected because it was seen for what it was- a set up to allow bambi to thwart the will of the voters and steal an election.

  79. Well friends, the first thing is, in a media world gone mad – and unless I’m forgetting something – Karen Tumulty is and has been a pretty straight shooter.
    But I’d take the TIME story with the tidbit that Bill is ‘pushing hard for Hill to take VP” , that ‘she’s earned being on the ticket’, in concert with the recent PEOPLE mag story, which saw the former president not only more complimentary towards BO than before but also voicing in almost a melancholy tone what had happened & what had gone wrong.

    So do I take it as that’s the mindset of the campaign, that all the talk of counting FLA & MI is just a ploy for negotiating leverage to get what she wants as VP? No. But I think they’re hedging their bets.
    That same TIME piece quoted a BO aide saying they think it’ll be a worse-case scenario, ‘it’ being what the Clintons will demand in any negotiation. But it also sounded like such a negotiation WAS forthecoming. Who knows?

    My position remains she’s been flat-out robbed, and I’ll believe that till the day I die. I know it. We know it. And she should fight till the bitter end. But what happens if you fight till the end and get nothing?

    There’s also a lot I – we – don’t know, and a lot of new angles to consider if this is true. And the Clintons have always had my complete faith (I can’t say the same for many in their employ), and I know they’ve looked at all the angles, so whatever they decide is … what they’ll decide.

  80. Obama Grilled on Ties to Pro-Palestinian Professor
    by FOXNews.com
    Thursday, May 22, 2008

    A persistent questioner at a campaign stop Thursday grilled Barack Obama on his ties to a professor with pro-Palestinian views, prompting Obama to speak at some length against “guilt by association” and about his support for the Jewish community.

    The at-times heated exchange occurred during a town hall event held at a synagogue in Boca Raton, Fla. The questioner focused on Obama’s relationship to Rashid Khalidi, a professor of Arab studies at Columbia University who has drawn fire for some of his criticisms of Israel.

    Obama responded by saying he has met Khalidi and spoken with him in an academic context, when Obama was teaching at the University of Chicago.

    “He is not one of my advisers. He’s not one of my foreign policy people,” Obama said. “He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.”

    Obama then objected to the suggestion that his contacts with Khalidi mean he shares Khalidi’s views.

    “Part of my philosophy … is I believe in listening to people even when I disagree with them,” Obama said. “And part of the reason that the Jewish community in Chicago is so close to me is because they know that on many occasions I’ve spoken out vigorously against anti-Semitism, even in my own community, even when it’s not convenient.

    “But that doesn’t mean that I’m not listening to different perspectives on a whole host of issues. That’s part of my job as an elected official. That will be part of my job as president.”

    Obama has also come under fire from some critics for his ties to William Ayers, a college professor who once was a member of the violent radical group Weather Underground. Obama has responded similarly to those criticisms, saying that he knows Ayers but doesn’t share his views.

    Some Jewish voters are turned off by Obama’s willingness to negotiate with countries like Iran and Syria. Others reject Obama because of e-mails spreading false rumors about him.

    Obama has stressed that he wouldn’t negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas and is promising an “unshakable commitment” to Israel if he is elected president.

    The Illinois senator also says he hopes his presidency would help improve strained relations between American black and Jewish communities.

    Democratic presidential candidates didn’t campaign in Florida during the primary, but Obama is focusing on the state now that he’s close to wrapping up the nomination.

    FOX News’ Bonney Kapp and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

  81. If we fight to the bitter end, we have more than NOTHING. Many voters now know that their vote does not count, it is the Dumb Delegates votes that count, they know that caucus disenfranchise many segments of socieity, and they know that women can get dam mad.

    They also know that the politicians in this country think nothing of betraying their best friend and supporter for 30 pieces of silver.

    I think we come out of this with more than nothing, as I will leave the Democratic party and start working on Women’s rights as an Independant. I will also vote for McCain.

    So Nothing is not quite the word. I think we will fight to the bitter end. We will either be victorious, or we will have been changed forever by the political road we have travelled this year. Either way, I don’t regret doing it, as there are things here I should have know all along.

  82. From BC’s PEOPLE INT;

    If Obama is the nominee, what will you and Hillary do to unite the party?

    “There have been some rumbles about leaving this party divided but not one of them has come out of our camp. Not one. Ever.

    She is our family’s leader on political matters now. I’ll follow her lead. Our life has been rich and good and full and will be. And we love our country and want the best for it.”

  83. Good evening everyone, I have been sick in bed for a few days and decided to check in. I just have one thing to say about the media declaring winners and losers. Look at the American Idol results as a perfect example of media bias, they all thought it was a foregone conclusion that David Archuletta was going to win. To everyone’s surprise when ALL THE VOTES were counted, David Cook was announced as the winner. Once Florida and Michigan are seated there will be a lot of egg being wiped off a lot of pundits faces.

  84. NM Fan,
    I tried to be careful how I worded that. Maybe not careful enough!

    Keep in mind when I was trying to discuss the idea of an independent run (and many here shouted me down), I went on at length about the reasons why it would be, IMO, the right thing to do.
    To go to Denver, fight till the last breath, and come what may.

    I said – and still believe – it would perhaps be a more fitting ‘ending’ to the Clinton years, as I always considered them bigger than and between the two parties.

    But we don’t know what Hill feels in her heart. Does she still want to contribute to the party’s success more than have her own?
    Would finally sheparding HC reform through with her name on it be worth more to her than the presidency? I don’t know, and I don’t know if anyone does. So as I said, I think they’re preparing for any eventuality, and that means having the strongest possible position at the end of this – for whatever….

  85. I don’t have the link but apparently Dumbass Pelosi said today that sexism wasn’t a factor in the campaign. This also is the woman who forget to make sure something was in the farm bill today, embarrassing the Democrats no end.

  86. Guys, There’s zero chance the Clintons will leave the party, no matter how badly they’ve been stabbed in the back. They’re Dems through and through.

  87. djia,
    He’s the master, I really don’t know.

    “leaving this party divided” stumps me, because how could you “leave it divided” if you went to a convention where it’d be decided one way or another? Could it be a hint at an indy run?
    Even I didn’t think that when I read it, and I’ve been screaming for it.

    I don’t know is the honest answer.

  88. You guys, Hillary will NOT quit!!! So We must not quit on her. Obama is TOAST for the G.E. we all know it including the democrats. Obama tactic is to denegrate and demean the opponent using racism and any other “ism” to win but the G.E. is not the stupid democratic primary elect Obama system.

    The G.E. represent one vote = ONE VOTE + the Electorial College system. Obama is TOAST!!!!

    Obama need Hillary but Hillary doesn’t need Obambi because she has been running a G.E.campaign from the begining.

  89. As I said, if that TIME bit had any validity, there are many new angles to consider.
    And one is a power-sharing arrangement. A VP with Cheney power is nothing to sneeze at.
    It many ways it is free of the pomp and circumstance and offers the opportunity to concentrate on real substance. But let there be no mistake. The President decides how much power the VP has.

    Which is why this business of ‘leverage’ is critical – again, IF this is true.

    I know many here have said that. I’ll never understand it for the life of me. I think we’ll learn a lot in these next few months.

  90. Don’t tell nasty pelosi is forgetting stuff, maybe she has the same syndrome as BO. It’s called the CRS syndrome which means you can’t remember s$*t, especially when your butt overloads your mouth!!

  91. carby,
    Ah! Now you touch on another of those ‘angles’.

    Let’s assume there is an impending BO implosion.
    How best to be positioned for it?

    Is it by frying all the douche bag Democrats who stabbed the Clintons in the back by scorching the earth, naming, names and having an all-out brawl?

    Or is it sitting tight in the ‘presumed No. 2’ spot, just waiting, and making it easy for supers who may have to swallow and switch?

    Just one of the ‘angles’…..

  92. I took the party divided comment as a shot at people who kept saying Obama’s supporters wouldn’t back HRC, and those who threatened riots if he didn’t get the nomination.

  93. It seem the Democratic party want to LOSE again because their ARROGANT self think this country will put another inexperience chump in the White House…..I.Dont.Think.SO!!!

    CAN’T FOOL ME TWICE!!! IF Hillary is not the democratic nominee, then I Will be voting for McCain this November….McCain IS not George W. Bush.

    I have legitimate issue of judgement with Obambi and no BIG MEDIA propaganda for Obama will change the facts that Obama resume is pretty thin.

  94. I hope she really doesn’t join him because he is going down in flames and not even Hillary will be able to save him! He has too much baggage!
    I think what BC meant was to not help Bambi mending fences with her constituents and get ready for a run 2012!

  95. blue,carby & paula

    all very reasonably possible ‘angles’ indeed

    rjk1957……..get well soon!!!

  96. Why would ANY news media hire Dick Morris as a pundit? That is one vile, disgusting, creepy guy.

  97. Look I’m from California and Obama chances is thin…don’t be fooled by his SD supporters they can’t delievery California to him….if that was the case Ted Kennedy would be President and Ronald Reagan would be Senator.

    So, Team Obama can STOP the mind game and voter suppressson tactics and just like the movie Che’ in Cannes going down in flames, so will Obama and the democratic party in November.

  98. Maybe the tide is turning, if Dick Morris is the only one left to hire. Just a thought.

  99. Go to Emily’s list website immediately!

    Go to home page and sign the petition

  100. Obama Seen As Soft On Terrorism, Racially Divisive

    Thu, 05/22/2008 – 13:22 — Judicial Watch Blog

    As he tours a crucial swing state lost by Democrats in the last two presidential elections, Barack Obama will get hit by the surprising betrayal of a key and politically powerful group that considers him soft on terrorism, weak on Israel and racially divisive.

    A huge chunk of Florida’s Jewish voters, key to an Obama general election victory, claim they won’t support the Illinois Senator against Republican John McCain or any other candidate for that matter. Obama is touring the state, which he lost to Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, this week and appearing at a synagogue in the hugely Jewish south Florida city of Boca Raton.

    But members of the Sunshine State’s important constituency are turned off by Obama and would rather betray their party than support him. They say his foreign policy positions—soft on Iran and not supportive of Israel—and his controversial, racist pastor have turned them off.

    Obama believes Iran does not represent a threat to the U.S. and he has publicly expressed his willingness to negotiate with its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly insulted Jews by describing the Holocaust as a “myth.”

    The Illinois senator’s decades-long friendship with his racist pastor and presidential campaign advisor (Reverend Jeremiah Wright) is also unacceptable to Florida Jews. In public sermons Wright has blamed the U.S. for causing the 2001 terrorist attacks with its own terrorism and damned America for treating blacks less than human. The reverend is also tight with a renowned anti-Semite cult leader, Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan, whom he says “truly epitomizes greatness.”

    Incidentally, Farrakhan endorses Obama and refers to the presidential candidate as the “hope of the entire world.” Jewish voters also condemn the Obama endorsement from yet another controversial black reverend, Jesse Jackson, who has referred to Jews as “Hymies” and New York City as “Hymietown.”


  101. carby,
    Ah! Now you touch on another of those ‘angles’.

    Let’s assume there is an impending BO implosion.
    How best to be positioned for it?
    You be BEST positioned for it by STAYING in the race. Don’t fall for Obama’s bullshit, he has NOT won this. All he has is a tiny bit more delegates then Hillary but 3 months is a very long time and anything can happen.

    Since, arrogant Obama think he is the NEXT POTUS and has taken the voters for granted…we must show him and his supporters (whoever they may be) that he is WRONG.

    Don’t give up, NEVER quit and know that due to my family issues I will be focusing on that for a week. But know I’m 200% for Hillary and will check back….Keep the focus on Hillary is in it to win it.

    And FIGHT

  102. I read today the expose’ on Obama past.
    At age 10 his mother sent him to live with gramps who was best friends with Fred Davis, a practicing Communist. Gramps as Davis to help mole you Barack and help him with his identity crisis. He left to go to college at Occidental college and before he left he went to see Davis who had more words of advice.
    When you are initiated with Communist propaganda from the age of ten to eighteen, its pretty much in your head, so you go off to school on the mainland and find a whole new bunch of Marists/Lenenists to hang out with.
    Once school is over to go out on your own and go to where the first communist you knew grew up. When you get their you meet another bunch of communists and join an anti american church.
    Once you learn everything you can from all the communists you have know your whole life, you run for President of the United States. Yes we can!!, Se say Puede’, a change in politics as usual.
    When I am President you can’t eat all you want, you can’t set you thermostat at anything except 72, and you can’t drive gas guzzling cars!!

  103. Great Balls of Fire…it’s a creep out double hitter on FOX tonight…first…Dick Morris and now Robert Novak. Whew! We’re all headed for nightmares!

  104. Carby,

    Don’t get hysterical on me by telling me a bunch of things I already know.

    Spare me the reminders about ‘fighting’ too, pretty please.

  105. “…She is our family’s leader on political matters now. I’ll follow her lead. Our life has been rich and good and full and will be. And we love our country and want the best for it.”

    This is why I admire Bill Clinton. For all his purported bubba image others attribute to him, I think he is the most modern women’s lib male out there.

  106. “Unless the Democrats and the Obama campaign hire a “bottom-feeding, Griffin-like reptile” of their own, warns Papantonio, Democratic voters are in for a repeat of the 2004 campaign”


  107. Of course Obama’s going to be Swift-boated. They only way the GOP wins this election is by ripping Waffles to shreds. Duh.

  108. Paula… and he won’t know what hit him.

    If the Democrats want him to be our nominee, they will have to face the consequences of us losing another election.

    I wish the Democratic Party wasn’t so stupid sometimes.

  109. Pringle’s final chapter of ‘Curtains for BO’ at RezkoWatch has a link to
    Pt 6 but it doesn’t work.

    Anyone catch it earlier, or has it not been posted?

  110. I wonder if any of you or the Super Delagates have actually read black liberation theology?
    The way I understand it, it is they expect that God must be for them totally and against the white oppressor or they must kill God. Then I hear people say what that really means is that they simply want justice and freedom? I don’t get that!
    I take that at face value, I am Catholic, I was always taught and believe that God doesn’t say you will have freedom and justice on earth, he only promises it in heaven. So, what I see is that Black Liberation Theology is just a cover for HATE all wrapped up with Jesus!

  111. Icahn: Obama Would Be a Terrible President

    Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:28 PM

    Article Font Size

    Carl Icahn, the billionaire investor best known for shaking up public companies, says he is very concerned about the Democratic frontrunner, Barack Obama.

    “I personally think he would be a terrible president,” Icahn told investors in New York, according to wire reports.

    Icahn thinks a President Obama would increase spending dramatically, something he says “the country can’t afford right now.”

    An Obama spending spree and the resulting tax hikes to pay for it would kill the dollar and result in higher interest rates, Icahn warned. “I don’t think Obama really understands economics,” Icahn said.

    Obama also would take office with a Democratic majority in the Congress, clearing the way for unchecked spending, Icahn said.

    “It would be devastating,” Icahn said. “Then you couldn’t stop runaway legislation

    I understand Bambi is sponsoring some end world poverty legislation now which would cost taxpayers just under a trillion dollars with most of it going to Africa. I have not confirmed this however.

  112. meiyingsu Says:

    May 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 pm
    “Unless the Democrats and the Obama campaign hire a “bottom-feeding, Griffin-like reptile” of their own, warns Papantonio, Democratic voters are in for a repeat of the 2004 campaign”
    Where Bambi is concerned I say live by the sword and die by the sword. If anything comes of it I would consider this fair retribution for the way he played the race card–wouldnt you?

  113. Too bad for the most important job in the Nation we don’t have a written job description. I am afraid if we did, there would be areas the Senator Obama would just not mearsure up in.

  114. I can’t believe this one;

    “Two weeks from now, we will know who wins the Democratic nomination,” Mr. Obama replied. “I don’t want to jump the gun.

    I will tell you though that my goal is to have the best possible government — and that means me winning.
    So I am very practical-minded guy.”

  115. When he first ran for the senate McCain’s opponent criticized him for not having lived in the state of Arizona for any length of time. And here in essence is what he said in response: ” My father was an admiral and so was my grandfather. We lived all over the world when I was young. In fact the longest period of time I lived in any one place was the seven years I spent at the Hanoi Hilton courtesy of the communists,”

    McCain has always been an enigma to the religious right wing of the party, who were skeptical of his bona fides. So he told them that when he was in the Hanoi Hilton they would torture him by day and hang him up at night so he could not sleep. At night a guard would slip into his cell and cut him down so he could sleep and then tied him up again in the morning. Then one day he was in the yard with other prisoners, i.e. Stockton, Sam Johnson et al and that same guard came up to him and drew a cross in the sand with his boot, and then McCain realized why the man helped him.

    Okay Axelrod you maggot: try swiftboating that.

  116. As Race Wanes, Talk of Clinton as No. 2 Grows

    While Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her advisers insist that she is determined to win the Democratic nomination, friends of the couple say that former President Bill Clinton, for one, has begun privately contemplating a different outcome for her: As Senator Barack Obama’s running mate.

    The reports about Mr. Clinton’s musings surface as the Obama camp has quietly begun the process of searching for a partner on the Democratic ticket.

    The prospect of an Obama-Clinton ticket has been fodder for political gossip for months, with some Democratic leaders pushing the idea as a way to unify the party. The Obama and Clinton campaigns have consistently shrugged off the idea, however, and Mrs. Clinton has been adamant that she is only interested in the presidency.

    Yet anyone who knows the Clintons is well aware that, at times, they come to politics with different motivations. Both of them want to return to the White House; Mrs. Clinton, of New York, also enjoys being a senator, while Mr. Clinton, according to associates, sees the vice presidency as perhaps her best path to becoming president someday if she loses the nominating fight. And Mr. Clinton has his own ideas about his wife’s best interests — even if she sometimes does not share them.

    A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s campaign said Thursday that Mr. Clinton had not had private conversations in which he was pushing her for the vice presidency or arguing that she deserved it, and that he believed the choice of a running mate was a personal one for the nominee.

    Friends of the former president say his musings have been more casual: He believes that an Obama-Clinton ticket could help unify the party, and he thinks she has earned a meeting with Mr. Obama to discuss the possibility.

    According to these friends, who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to be identified revealing private talks, Mr. Clinton believes that his wife’s victories in major primary battles, like Ohio and Pennsylvania, and the 16 million votes cast for her candidacy make her the proper choice for Mr. Obama.

    “If she’s not going to be the nominee, then he wants her in the second spot,” said one friend of the Clintons. “In the long run, it’s the best way for her to run again in 2016.”

    Time magazine first reported Mr. Clinton’s interest in the No. 2 slot for Mrs. Clinton on Thursday.

    Clinton advisers were emphatic that neither Mr. Clinton nor anyone else in the campaign had given up on Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy, and they emphasized that no efforts were being made to position Mrs. Clinton to be the running mate with the Illinois senator.

    “Senator Clinton is solely focused on being the Democratic nominee,” said Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign’s communications director. “I have seen no interest on her part in being vice president.”

  117. Oh, and we can add the philandering replacement governor of NY to the long list of back-stabbers. Speaking of maggots.

  118. I don’t know what infuriates me more: people talking about BO as if he’s already won or the talk of HRC as VP.

  119. McCain said “I admire and respect Sen. Obama,” McCain said. “For a young man with very little experience, he’s done very well. I appreciate his very great lack of experience and knowledge of the issues. He’s been very successful.”

  120. I can’t beleive it. Ted Kennedy want his wife to replace him. Since when is being his wife a qualification for his job.

    He gave Senator Clinton absolutely no credit for being married to the President. What nerve.

  121. Tuesday, May 20, 2008
    Clinton: Still on Path to Win Popular Vote

    A couple of thoughts about last Tuesday, tomorrow, and beyond:

    First, West Virginia was a crushing victory for Hillary Clinton, and the media should have given her much more credit for absolutely destroying Barack Obama in what was once a reliably blue state, populated by Reagan Democrats who defected to Bush after Bill Clinton left office. Swing voters have made their choice, and that choice is overwhelmingly Clinton.

    By the numbers: Barack Obama received 91,652 votes in the Mountain State. Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory was 147,410. No, no — that doesn’t mean that she beat him with 147,410 votes; it means she beat him by 147,410 votes. Her final numbers were 239,062. Obama didn’t even crack a hundred grand. By comparison, in North Carolina, a state much, much better-endowed with delegates, Obama bested Clinton by 229,736 votes, at the time leading pundits to (again) prematurely call the Democratic race for the Illinois senator.

    Clinton’s whole claim to the nomination has been vested since Super Tuesday in the idea that she could win the popular vote. The media believed that Obama’s large victory in North Carolina ended that notion — but West Virginia should have reversed this new conventional wisdom in any open mind remaining on cable television.

    Two months ago, I spelled out a possible path for Clinton to win the popular vote. In that estimation, I predicted she would win West Virginia by a mere 20,000 votes. In fact, she received more than seven times that number. (In fairness, I underestimated Obama’s victory in North Carolina, and overestimated Clinton’s totals in Pennsylvania and Indiana — but the game is still on, all things considered.)

    Tomorrow, when Oregon and Kentucky vote, Clinton is sure to pad her popular numbers even further. Both states have about an equal number of delegates at stake, but RealClearPolitics has Obama up by an average of twelve points in Oregon (a margin which is rapidly dwindling, as polls confirm that Clinton’s capacity to close strongly continues to hold up) and has Clinton up by thirty or so points in Kentucky. No matter what, that means more votes and more delegates (although the latter are virtually irrelevant at this point from the perspective of Clinton’s argument) for the former first lady.

    Notably, a recent poll which shows Obama up by only five points in Washington’s southern neighbor shows a startling statistic: Of people who have already cast ballots in Oregon’s mail-in-only primary, the surveyed results are 50-50 for each candidate. Obama only gains a lead from those who say they still will mail in a ballot by election day. Anything can happen: Obama supporters are notoriously poor at follow through (a trip to my Congressional Caucus in Washington this weekend proved that, when 98% of Clinton delegates showed up and the unfilled spots were filled by alternates, and about 15% of Obama delegates were missing, to the extent that the alternates could not make up for all the absences. Unfortunately, it was not enough to change the final math for the Washington delegation, but says something about the commitment of both sides’ supporters, an observation which is backed up by significant research). A Clinton upset in Oregon, however unlikely, would be amazing, But keeping it close there while thumping Obama in Kentucky is still an inevitable achievement, and one which will continually shift the popular vote numbers towards her.

    One subsequent contest could prove decisive. An expert on Puerto Rican politics recently opined on CNN that Clinton is favored by 70% of the territory’s likely voters, and turn-out there, notoriously high, could top 2,000,000. If both numbers bear out (I haven’t read polls myself, but note the judgment of the pundit in question), that’ll make 1,400,000 votes for Clinton, and 600,000 for Obama. That’s a whopping 800,000 vote margin for Clinton. The current numbers as they are now in the light most favorable to Obama (including the estimates from the caucus states but not Michigan nor Florida), Obama is ahead by 706.336 in popular votes. In the light most favorable to Clinton, including Florida and Michigan but not the caucus states, she is already ahead by 26,967.

    If the polls hold up and the predictions of Puerto Rico’s expert follow suit, Hillary will certainly win the popular vote by a significant margin — possibly more than 200,000 votes (and that’s just in the light most favorable to Obama. The number would climb to nearly a million under one prism, and of course, there are many shades in between using other standards).

    No wonder Obama has backtracked on his plan to declare victory after Oregon votes tomorrow. It’s hard to claim the nomination as your numbers are slipping.

    Posted by Chris Maryatt at 12:00 AM

  122. meiyingsu Says:

    May 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
    wbboei, BHO’s chance to be president is zero but I could be wrong.
    I hope to God you are right. Hillary is the answer if we want to win the election. Moreover she is the key to a better future for all Americans.

    The one thing I will say about McCain is that he is above all a man of honor. He is a friend of Hillary and a true hero. He would never stoop to the low life tactics of an Obama or an Axelrod-which most of the world fails to see. Also, it will be interesting to see how big media reacts to him now, since once upon a time he was their hero. He will need to convince them that he is not Bush III.

  123. I am just sick of the DNC, they stacked to deck so she could not win the caucas states, then the states she could win in they either didn’t count the votes or lost most of them.
    I think the DNC knew where her strong states were before this whole thing started and fixed the whole thing. Hillary ‘s mistake was trusting her party!

  124. This is what infuriates me. I rad this in the paper, courtesy of AP wire services:

    “A handful of superdelegate endorsements Wednesday on top of primary results in Kentucky and Oregon have brought [BO] with-in striking distance of claiming the nomination….”

    “On top of primary results in Kentucky???” WTF!?!! It makes it sound as if he won in Kentucky!

  125. confloyd, BHO is in the process to replace Dean with his confident according to AP. I don’t know why Dean still pushes to nominate BHO.

  126. NewMexicoFan Says:

    May 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
    Too bad for the most important job in the Nation we don’t have a written job description. I am afraid if we did, there would be areas the Senator Obama would just not mearsure up in.
    I wrote one up in early February, posted it here on this site and passed it out at the Washinton causus. It was entiteld the resume of BO. It showed how unprepared he is for the job in the starkest possible terms. It infuriated the ignorant Obamaites but did not awaken them from their trance. I would post it again for the hell of it but it is gone.

  127. Goes to show you. The Hillary People at least understand there should be a job description, where as the Obama people are angered at anyway in which their messiah should and could be judged.

    Not a good environment in a Democracy.

  128. Yes, he is trying to replace Dean and take over the DNC completely. My guess maybe a Jackson, or a Sharpton or heck maybe even Wright!! Poor little Dean, what is he going to do, maybe he will have to go back to Doctoring, Yuk, that little slim taking care of the sick! Poor sick people!!

  129. On the flip side, TIME mag’s piece combined w/the NYT’s eerily similar story could well be a coordinated effort.
    No one ever puts their name behind these quotes so it’s impossible to tell – which is of course the entire point most of the time.

    Plus Patterson’s comments seem like a surgical strike.

  130. I don’t think HIllary signed any pledge saying the FL and/or MI votes would not count. The candidates signed a pledge agreeing not to CAMPAIGN there.

    Hillary has been quoted saying in some interview that they were not going to count, but that was certainly not a pledge and the context is missing. Maybe she was misinformed and was taking the DNC’s word for it; no one knew at that time there would be an enormous turnout and perhaps decisive in the nomination.

  131. Dean got him self into this mess by completely mismanaging this primary and by playing favorites.

  132. I always thought this stage of the contest would be the most difficult. No real contests to test the will of the voters. Lots of back stage maneuvering. Tons of speculation in the Media. A pundit’s paradise!

    But actually no one has wrapped up the nomination and so we now drift in the twilight zone for a while. As time goes on, the polls will continue to look bad for Obama with regards to GE matchups. Earlier polling just covered registered Democrats. Now they involve all registered voters. The difference is striking. Hillary is winning many Republican and Independent voters in most states. Don’t think this is going un-noticed by all concerned, including Hillary and the DNC.

    For us to proceed to the next step with an equal claim to the nomination going forward, we need a favorable result out of the DNC meeting. With both camps recently spending time and money in Florida, don’t think the value of the Sunshine State come November is not weighing on people’s minds.

    Hillary is turning up the heat. Not as press reports would have you believe, out of desperation, she can stay in the race no matter the result since she will still be able to claim the popular vote including FL/MI with or without an official seal of approval from the DNC. Keep in mind, since there is not official winner, unless somebody drops out this has to go to Denver. Ignore Obama and the media. When the DNC says “we have a winner folks”, then and not until then, do we have a winner.

    With regards to the media’s pro-Obama propaganda, it is just that. With no contests for a while and with delicate negotiations concerning FL/MI ongoing, they are just trying to counter Hilary’s efforts. The media is trying to pull a “Tokyo Rose” on us her supporters in particular. All these stories about her wanting the VP job, her not yet decided on the surrender terms and so forth. These are such obvious attempts at weakening our resolve at this key moment of the campaign.

    I hope everyone had a chace to read Hillary’s email she sent out Thursday. It was the second I received in as many days. She is clearly back on track and in a fighting mood. Me too! Glad to see that she is her old self again. This is what I admire most about her. Her never say die attitude.

    I am really excited by all this. Love the intrigue and suspense. I still think we are on track for a win. Just keep giving us those wonderful poll results.

  133. hi hillfans. i am going to record “recount” on my dvr sunday. those 36 days were incredible. i watched the day by day acounts oin the news.big media was in the tank for bush calling on gore to concede. to this day i think gore was ripped off. gore would have completed his 8 years as president. i wonder if a vice president lieberman would have the nomination wrapped up by now?

  134. terrondt, No I think the succession would have been like this Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, in that order!

  135. I am looking forward to seeing recount and also iron women , I can’t remember the name of it. Its where women won the right to vote!

  136. Paddy,
    “Keep in mind, since there is not official winner, unless somebody drops out this has to go to Denver. Ignore Obama and the media.
    When the DNC says “we have a winner folks”, then and not until then, do we have a winner.”

    Question; If after 6.03.08 the SD’s move en masse to BO, or at least move enough to get him over 2025, or even enough to get him to the FLA & MI inclusive number of 2210 number (or whatever it may be),
    AND the DNC declares it has a victor, even if their declaration comes from the lying pusses of the Deans & Brazilles, what then if Hill refuses to drop out?

    Then we’re off to Denver, correct? Hill & the campaign have only used the phrase, “When we have a nominee (we’ll unite).”
    What in your judgement happens if in THEIR judgement, a ‘winner’ is declared by the DNC but the campaign refuses to acknowledge it based on Hill being the best qualified to do the job & the best to beat McCain?

    There was a quote weeks ago (another unnamed campaign source) saying, “if the SD’s move en masse thats it.”

    But what do you see happening in that event is (I guess) what I’m asking….

  137. Clinton in August, or Lose in November
    Posted at 2:28 pm under Uncategorized

    Gregory may have been off on the margins, but he hit it straight with the 150,000 popular vote. Cumulatively, Clinton won 700,000 votes of yesterday’s 1,254,000 total, with Obama netting 553,000. That’s equivalent to winning one North Carolina by 16%. Clinton has won the popular in this Primary, regardless of the margin of her Puerto Rico win.

    No one in the media looks bothered. What popular vote? Florida and Michigan don’t count. The Democratic party recognizes only 48 states of the Union. If you break fundamental Democratic rules, your punishment is total disenfranchisement. Hey, Obama is already the nominee, he is a few delegates away from securing a magic number all of his own making. Who needs Denver, its all over.

    So goes the story, and with it the water and the baby, all together. Now for some reality.

    Nothing Obama can do, will secure him the necessary pledged delegate vote of 2210 prior to August. 2210 is the number with which we started this Primary, and the number Howard Dean and Pelosi expect of any candidate nominated in Denver. Although the Obama camp has its hands in the Recreate 68 pot (no doubt also through Ayers, active in modern day SDS)- it is acting as if Denver did not exist. Since most Obama supporters are fresh off the College Assembly line, their impression that the Convention is irrelevant to the Nomination process, can be forgiven as simple ignorance promoted by their Messiah.

    Nothing could be easier for Clinton, than preventing Obama from securing the Democratic Presidential nomination until Denver. She just has to hang around. Once in Denver, an hour is all that’s needed for unpledged delegates to cast their votes independently of the ever-present media pressure that currently holds the entire country hostage.

    For a brief moment in time, these delegates will be insulated from the media in their Pepsi Center bunker in Colorado’s capital. By DNC rules they have the right to exercise their judgment as they see fit. Whatever the result of this judgment, it will be these delegates, and it will be in Denver in August, that the Presidential Nominee of the Democratic Party is selected.

    In Denver, contrary to Obama hopes, the entire Florida and Michigan delegations will vote alongside their peers from 48 American states. This will dwindle Obama’s ostensible delegate lead to negligible numbers, and because the Party does take into account the nature of the Caucus system vs a Popular Vote when considering General Election strategy, Clinton’s popular vote lead outside without the Caucus vote, will be impossible to ignore. Clinton is unlikely to come away with more pledged delegates even if FL and MI delegates are re-instituted on May 31st, but this will mean less than Obama supporters can Hope.

    Calculating unpledged delegates is like counting chickens before they hatch. Come August, those who are now with Obama, but have grounds for being with Clinton (because their districts voted in her favor) , are likely to switch in her favor on the basis of the popular vote, the Caucus distorted delegate count, and her victory in 9 out of 11 swing states.

    Unpledged delegates are no doubt aware, that if any Democrats defects to the Republicans in the General, they will almost certainly be Clinton Democrats. Obama supporters will simply turn out in lesser numbers in the general, if Clinton is the nominee, while Clinton supporters are likely to vote Republican, if Obama heads the ballot.

    This hits the Democratic female, Latino, Asian, and Jewish votes particularly hard. Pro-Republican defects for women, Jews and Latinos, may be as high as 30%, and for Asians, as high as 60 %! For a voting block triple the African-American, and college Student population of the United States, any lower turnout of Blacks and Students, will be more than offset.

    It is obvious to any clear thinking Democrat, that unpledged delegates must chose Clinton to head the Democratic ballot, or risk something worse than a McGovern collapse. If Latino’s and Asians vote for McCain, Obama will fail miserably in California, New York, Texas, and Florida. Even in his home state of Illinois, it will take only a moderate pro-Republican female vote, to hand the territory over to McCain. Unlike McGovern, who only lost 49 states in 1972, for the first time in American history, a Democratic Presidential candidate will lose all 50 states of the Union.


    What stands in the way of Clinton securing the Nomination now in June, instead of August?

    Axelrodian Extortion and Media Inspired Fear.

    The cable news and newspapers have tossed everyone into a PC pressure-cooker. Careless Obama enthusiasm and outright Axelrodian propaganda, have made it Politically Incorrect for our Party, to exercise Rational and Independent Judgment. Unless the media stop serving this frame, unpledged delegates will have the luxury of independence only for a few hours in Denver Colorado, on August 26. This will leave the Democratic Party a little more than a month, to run a National campaign against John McCain. A significant disadvantage for Hillary Clinton, but a must for the unelectable Mr. Obama.

    Obama desires as little scrutiny from the Republican media, as possible. If the Republicans can’t decide who to aim at, Obama is the sole beneficiary of this confusion. While in some ways a rational for going with Obama in August, recalling that Obama does not have the demographic wherewithal to win the General, whether the Republicans play Wright for four months vs one month, will only impact whether Obama goes the way of McGovern, or really does lose all 50 states.

  138. I think everyone must have seen the news that the Florida GOP Governor is on the top three list for McCain’s VP. He is going for a job interview at McCain’s place over the weekend. Whether McCain finally selects him or not is not a big concern at this point in time. But the very fact of the job interview, just as the DNC is about to meet over FL/MI, must be striking great fear into the hearts of Obama supporters and is great news for us. McCain does not need to make any decision until summer but the DNC must decide now. The DNC is playing a high stakes game. They had better not disenfranchise Florida voters.

    Thanks John!

  139. I want to thank you for your wonderful work and have a question to ask. I made a text copy of about 3300 of the 3600 comments (mostly pro Hillary) that were posted on the Naral blog after their perfidious endorsement of Obama. They have since, deleted them as I expected they would. I think that many of the pro Hillary comments (over 90%) are articulate, impassioned and at times eloquent. In other words this file that I have entitled, “Sweetie” comprises a historical document that should be preserved. I am wondering if I might forward it to you for posting or archiving somewhere on your blog. If you don’t think that would work do you have any suggestions of a blog that might be willing to do this. A friend of mine says they captured the other 300 or more posts and I can eventually get those too. Although Naral is now presuming Obama to be winner of the primary, women are still posting new, articulate and angry responses to the betrayal of Hillary and ignoring the hyperbole. I wouldn’t be surprised if Naral deletes their blog altogether. If anyone else is reading this and knows of an organization that has archives of documents related to the women’s movement and wants a copy of “Sweetie” let me know. Our voices shall not be silenced and our words will not die.

  140. Whoa! What a post Texan. Gotta read that like 10 times to make sure I got it all. Thanks!

    “the Caucus distorted delegate count”

    Now that’s a phrase we need to hear more of!!!

  141. Well blue, that the SDs have not moved “en masse” to Obama already says a lot about the situation, doesn’t it? They are free to announce their voting intentions any time. We already know by DNC regulations that a winner is only official at the convention. In McCain’s situation for example, he is still not the official nominee of the GOP. But he has crossed the threshold so it is a technicality. This is not the case for the Democrats. No one will have passed the finished line, depending how the DNC defines the finishing line soon. And SD’s are not the same as pledged delegates. They are free to change their mind about their intentions every day if they so choose. Hence the confusion and potential for a long drawn out fight leading up to Denver. And hence the pressure to get Hillary to drop out to prevent this.

    She does not have to of course. As the winner of the popular vote she has just as much credibility as Obama to claim the nomination, since both only have claims. The DNC can not declare a victor, only delegates do. In Denver. The DNC can say that one candidate seems to have enough delegates to be the winner, but this can only be true if they disenfranchise FL/MI voters to keep the delegates needed to win low, which they will be loathe to do. If they keep to the higher number, it’s off to Denver.

    Remove all the bluff from the Obama camp (and bluff is all it is) and the media, if you were playing chess, you can see that Hillary actually has the King in check. Where can he move? Disenfranchise FL/MI voters? Piss off Hillary’s supporters? Go into the GE without the popular vote or electoral vote? The DNC will try many moves to save the King. But in the end, our Queen will have their King in check mate. Wait and see.

  142. Wow, thanks a million Paddy – and Texan, again.

    That’s the real nuts & bolts analysis – and confirmation – that I’ve been looking everywhere for.

    Am I stupid to assume the Clintons know every bit of this?

    That would have to mean everything we’re hearing in these recent stories are nothing more than (the obvious manipulations and) positioning for this 5.31 hearing, keeping their options open & others off-guard.
    But the hard-core strategists in both camps have to know all this,
    so my assumption would be both are playing the media at this point more than each other.

    Sound about right? Cause if so, this is the best I’ve felt about things in a long time, seeing all this….

  143. This, BTW, was my absolute favorite fucking part!

    “Nothing could be easier for Clinton, than preventing Obama from securing the Democratic Presidential nomination until Denver.
    She just has to hang around.”

  144. Yes blue, we can be sure they know all this, and more! It is so very clear that Hillary is now in the driver’s seat and not the other way around. She is forcing them to move this way and that. She is acting, they are reacting. So Obama and his allies in the DNC and Media are fighting back the only way they know how, dirty.

    So long, Tokyo Rose!

  145. Paddy,
    This to me is the key to the analysis (and spot-on best as I can tell) .

    “a voting block triple the African-American, and college Student
    population of the United States”

    “Unpledged delegates are no doubt aware, that if any Democrats defects to the Republicans in the General, they will almost certainly be Clinton Democrats. Obama supporters will simply turn out in lesser numbers in the general, if Clinton is the nominee, while Clinton supporters are likely to vote Republican, if Obama heads the ballot.
    This hits the Democratic female, Latino, Asian, and Jewish votes particularly hard. Pro-Republican defects for women, Jews and Latinos, may be as high as 30%, and for Asians, as high as 60 %!
    For a voting block triple the African-American, and college Student population of the United States, any lower turnout of Blacks and Students, will be more than offset.”

    This is absolutely devastating for the Bo forces.

  146. Recommendation to the DNC:

    Next time:

    No SD’s. Sorry élites, power should be in the hands of the people, especially a Party that traces its beginnings to Thomas Jefferson. Read the Federalists Papers to see how Jefferson would have felt. The SD system smacks of a Hamiltonian /Federalist fear of the masses.

    Winner takes all primary’s

    No cuscuses

    4 regional super primaries that can be rotated every 4 years to see which region goes first. To heck with IA and NH

    Save us all lots of money and grief

  147. So as best I can ascertain it, the only real risk to Hill is pissing off SD’s and other assorted party people by not ‘making it easy’ for BO and quitting. She stays put, she’s got it.

    They can’t threaten her senate seat, they can’t really touch her, and the facts come Colorado – Hill OR MCCAIN – are more strongly in her favor than I believed.

    And that’s before repubs go to work on BO. YOW-ZAH!

  148. sorry for the typo

    should read

    No caucuses

    but maybe no cuscuses could be included too. ha

  149. Paddy4hill: great analysis. I think the filing of the lawsuit by Geller et. al. is significant. Although a Bambi surrogate is listed as named plaintiff you can be certain that this is purely cosmetic and in no way shape or form was he the moving party.
    And one of the things the lawsuit does is cast further doubt on the 2025 threshold adovocated by big media and bambis campaign. In addition it becomes a sword of Damoceles over the Rules Committee proceedings. And I expect it will escape summary judgment. I also expect the other side to launch even more sexist attacks against Hillary and her supporters must remain strong and show their meddle. Stephanie Tubbs Jones should be an inspiration to the rest of them. Coincidentally, I sent emails to the sds and the only one who responded that it was unread was from Geller, Like Caesars wife he is.

  150. I now feel fully briefed in order to make the campaign’s case on 5.31,
    in case anyone’s sick, or something like that 🙂

    I love that bit someone wrote about BO taking his name off the MI ballot cause he was like a schoolkid unprepared for a test.

    I hope they use that! That and this one, which is priceless;

    ““the Caucus distorted delegate count”

  151. blue, that is why I said she has him check. The next move is his and he has nowhere to go.

  152. From your lips to God’s ears Paddy.

    hehe… found this @StopBO;

    “Lol……michigan and florida always mattered. hillary knew that all along, dumb ass obama didnt. simple math, the popular vote is the only math that counts in a true democracy. hillary knows this too, obama does not. obama has been out-foxed by a foxy lady. brilliant stategy…. cant wait for the convention when obama learns politics the hard way…”

  153. You have a very good legal mind wbboei.

    He has some very big troubles ahead. His only way to save himself is to get the bar lowered on the needed delegates to win. If he does that, he will lose FL/MI.

    Lose-Lose situation for him.

    If the bar is not lowered, it off to Denver. Can be no other way unless somebody drops out.

    Denver is a long time from now. Lots can happen between now and then. Plus the SDs can vote as they wish once they get there. Expect lots of wheeling and dealing. We may end up with Obama as the VP.

  154. I am shocked that the DNC are incapable of seeing how truly formidable McCain will be. Hillary criticizes him but in a respectful tone. Obama claiming that he has more foreign policy experience because he lived overseas from ages 6 to 10 will sink him. It shows how arrogant he really is. McCain is no lightweight!

  155. Paddy,
    “We may end up with Obama as the VP.”

    Well now, it very funny you said that, because – I haven’t mentioned this a single time – I’ve thought all along that would be the only way this thing could come out okay where both sides are at least somewhat satisfied, there are no riots, no one gets robbed, and – of course – Democrats win.

    And BO gets his shot in 8 years; and could he ever use the seasoning. 🙂

  156. I feel optimistic. I know that there is something out there on him! Unfortunately, dems won’t touch it. Fortunately, the republicans will but the question is when and how bad will it be?

  157. And what is the absolute best part of all this? The media’s role is reduced to almost nothing. Only a few contests left, most voters have already made up their minds, they can spew out their pro-Obama propaganda till the cows come home and it won’t mean a darn thing. Unless the DNC changes the rules in the middle of the game by lowering the bar, this is pretty much now in the hands of the delegates to the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver.

  158. Hope you’re right Paddy. I’d never underestimate the media’s power to do – or not do – anything. But the fundamentals seem sound.

    And check this; wouldn’t it be something if the scandals break & threaten to derail BO – and Hill has to step in and save him by taking him as Veep?
    Say what you will, but their new voters and fundraising has been unprecedented. And at least I can’t see it as terribly unlikely.

    These are the scenarios I dream of…. night all!

  159. “Obama has been out-foxed by a foxy lady”

    That’s got to be the best line of this entire campaign!

  160. BlueDemocrat: the further advantage of putting Obama in the number 2 position as opposed to the number 1 position is it makes the ticket less exposed than it is now. If he is at the top of the ticket he presents an easy target for attack because of his his many self inflicted wounds whereas with Hillary at the top of the ticket he would be insultated and she could deal with the attacks. Narcisstic fools that they are Obammites would scoff at the notion, members of the kennedy cabal would balk at it, but party officials with common sense would see the merit in this suggestion as well as its abilitiy to unite the party. This was the thrust of my argument to sds, and I think it is in the best interests of all concerned. Whether they will see it in that light however remains to be seen.

  161. Blistering op-ed column in tomorrow’s Washington Post, blasting Obama’s naivete in agreeing to meet with dictators without any preconditions. This would be an unprecedented change in US foreign policy, and is reminiscent of Bush’s naive and radical changes in foreign policy when he took office. What’s interesting about all this is that McCain is now doing “encore” attacks on ALL of Obama’s previous mistakes during the primary. When Hillary called him on these gaffes on the first go-around, the media ignored her. Now that the criticism is coming from Republicans, the media is listening.

    Obama’s Metastatic Gaffe

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, May 23, 2008; A17

    When the House of Representatives takes up arms against $4 gas by voting 324-84 to sue OPEC, you know that election-year discourse has entered the realm of the surreal. Another unmistakable sign is when a presidential candidate makes a gaffe, then, realizing it is too egregious to take back without suffering humiliation, decides to make it a centerpiece of his foreign policy.

    Before the Democratic debate of July 23, Barack Obama had never expounded upon the wisdom of meeting, without precondition, with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bashar al-Assad, Hugo Chávez, Kim Jong Il or the Castro brothers. But in that debate, he was asked about doing exactly that. Unprepared, he said sure — then got fancy, declaring the Bush administration’s refusal to do so not just “ridiculous” but “a disgrace.”

    After that, there was no going back. So he doubled down. What started as a gaffe became policy. By now, it has become doctrine. Yet it remains today what it was on the day he blurted it out: an absurdity.

    Should the president ever meet with enemies? Sometimes, but only after minimal American objectives — i.e., preconditions — have been met. The Shanghai communique was largely written long before Richard Nixon ever touched down in China. Yet Obama thinks Nixon to China confirms the wisdom of his willingness to undertake a worldwide freshman-year tyrants tour.

    Most of the time you don’t negotiate with enemy leaders because there is nothing to negotiate. Does Obama imagine that North Korea, Iran, Syria, Cuba and Venezuela are insufficiently informed about American requirements for improved relations?

    There are always contacts through back channels or intermediaries. Iran, for example, has engaged in five years of talks with our closest European allies and the International Atomic Energy Agency, to say nothing of the hundreds of official U.S. statements outlining exactly what we would give them in return for suspending uranium enrichment.

    Obama pretends that while he is for such “engagement,” the cowboy Republicans oppose it. Another absurdity. No one is debating the need for contacts. The debate is over the stupidity of elevating rogue states and their tyrants, easing their isolation, and increasing their leverage by granting them unconditional meetings with the president of the world’s superpower.

    Obama cited Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman as presidents who met with enemies. Does he know no history? Neither Roosevelt nor Truman ever met with any of the leaders of the Axis powers. Obama must be referring to the pictures he’s seen of Roosevelt and Stalin at Yalta, and Truman and Stalin at Potsdam. Does he not know that at that time Stalin was a wartime ally?

    During the subsequent Cold War, Truman never met with Stalin. Nor Mao. Nor Kim Il Sung. Truman was no fool.

    Obama cites John Kennedy meeting Nikita Khrushchev as another example of what he wants to emulate. Really? That Vienna summit of a young, inexperienced, untested American president was disastrous, emboldening Khrushchev to push Kennedy on Berlin — and then nearly fatally in Cuba, leading almost directly to the Cuban missile crisis. Is that the precedent Obama aspires to follow?

    A meeting with Ahmadinejad would not just strengthen and vindicate him at home, it would instantly and powerfully ease the mullahs’ isolation, inviting other world leaders to follow. And with that would come a flood of commercial contracts, oil deals, diplomatic agreements — undermining the very sanctions and isolation that Obama says he would employ against Iran.

    As every seasoned diplomat knows, the danger of a summit is that it creates enormous pressure for results. And results require mutual concessions. That is why conditions and concessions are worked out in advance, not on the scene.

    What concessions does Obama imagine Ahmadinejad will make to him on Iran’s nuclear program? And what new concessions will Obama offer? To abandon Lebanon? To recognize Hamas? Or perhaps to squeeze Israel?

    Having lashed himself to the ridiculous, unprecedented promise of unconditional presidential negotiations — and then having compounded the problem by elevating it to a principle — Obama keeps trying to explain. On Sunday, he declared in Pendleton, Ore., that by Soviet standards Iran and others “don’t pose a serious threat to us.” (On the contrary. Islamic Iran is dangerously apocalyptic. Soviet Russia was not.) The next day in Billings, Mont.: “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”

    That’s the very next day, mind you. Such rhetorical flailing has done more than create an intellectual mess. It has given rise to a new political phenomenon: the metastatic gaffe. The one begets another, begets another, begets . . .

  162. wbboei,
    Couldn’t agree more. There are WAY more advantages to that ticket once you get into it.
    Not the least of which is it’d clearly be best for the country.

    The next POTUS is in for a very rough ride, and BO simply can’t handle it with his inexperience & baggage.

    Just look at the specific problems we face, especially domestically. Unless they can be handled (relatively) quickly and cleanly there’s little hope of settling the Middle East and global warming crisis.

    And nothing can really wait.

    Plus it sets up Democrats to (potentially) control the White House for 16 years. I’m preaching to the choir I suspect….. 🙂

  163. Goes to show Repubs can make a mountain out of anything (‘making the bullets’, isn’t that what rove’s protege said today), and of course you’re right Berkely, the media is suddenly listening.

  164. If you restate any problem in its broadest terms it becomes simple. Whether or not it is accurate is another matter. But try this one:

    Question: which of the two presidential candidates can: i) unite the party, and ii) win the general election?

    Without laying out all the evidence isnt the answer obvious? Hillary Rodham Clinton. Frankly, Barack can do neither.

  165. The media has fallen into a trap laid by their own propaganda that the race is over for the Democrats. Hence they are allowing the GOP to begin to go after Obama. I am certain that their theory is that the more they make it look like Obama is the nominee by publishing the attacks, the better the chances the masses will be fooled into thinking he is.

    But there is a big hole in their theory. The race is not over. And the GOP attacks may just help convince enough SDs that Obama can not win the GE. And if enough SDs begin to feel this way, they may vote for Hillary in Denver. Like I keep saying, time is on our side.

  166. Blue Democrat Says:
    Say what you will, but their new voters and fundraising has been unprecedented.

    New voters maybe,depending on how many were Dems for a day. And how many has Hillary been registering — Dem base types that had dropped out between 1996 and now?

    As for Obama’s money, the lattes may continue contributing. But if Hillary were leading the ticket, the big money interests would drop it.

  167. paddy,

    I agree no caucuses, but some party people like them, so we’d have trouble getting rid of them. (WA state passed a voter initiative to hold a state-paid primary — but the party people chose to ignore the results and go by caucus results instead).

    Obama gamed the popular vote too, with his “Dems for a Day.”

    It’s the remaining SDs who will save us (and those who switch to Hillary later). They are the ones able and free to see how Obama has gamed the system this time, and judge him unelectable. However we might tweak the system, some creep like Obama wll figure out some way to game it. In a close race, we need the SD’s up there using some human perspective and common sense.

    Obama gamed the popular vote too, with his “Dems for a Day.”

  168. Obama supporters will simply turn out in lesser numbers in the general, if Clinton is the nominee, while Clinton supporters are likely to vote Republican, if Obama heads the ballot.

    Right. Staying home is one blow against Obama. Voting for McCain is two blows. BO loses a vote, and his viable opponent gains one — two votes!

    To put it more simply, Clinton supporters have some place to go: McCain. Obama’s don’t.

  169. Blue,
    You’re right. In this situation ‘the DNC’ can’t just declare a winner. Nothing is offiical till Denver.

    Seems to me, if there were any mass move to Obama to end the contest, it would have happened already.

  170. BD wrote: There are WAY more advantages to that ticket once you get into it.

    I really really hate to disagree with you BlueD, because when this primary season started I thought that Hillary’s rock solid experience coupled with Bambi’s rock star appeal (judging from what I knew about him at the time which was basically nothing except for the one great speech…the one at the aught four convention) would be an unbeatable combination.

    Sadly, I don’t think that Democrats can win in November if Wright, Rezko, Ayers and who knows how many other questionable associations are anywhere near the Democratic Ticket. It’s true that some Democrats might be willing to overlook his associations, but winning in November is not about winning the Democrats. The stories are already cued up and ready against Bambi, if nothing else they will call into question Hillary’s judgement and leadership if she allows herself to be saddled with Bambi as a running mate.

    I remain confident that when Hillary is the nominee, that there will be enough Republican and Republican leaning women who will have their SC/Iowa awakening to counter any defections from AA men. I am equally confident that AA women are not voting against Hillary they are voting for Obama. Hillary has gone out of her way to always be respectful of the very difficult identity choice that this particular demographic is faced confronting.

    PS: What I mean by SC/Iowa awakening comment is the phenomenon that was described as the turning point of in SC AA support. Namely, that SC AAs needed to see the AA win a white state before they jumped onto the bandwagon. I think that there are some women on the other side of the aisle who will vote for Hillary if she manages to do the impossible by winning the nomination.

  171. good morning

    a thousand pardons if this was corrected earlier. BO will speak at “wesleyan” college for ted kennedy, not “wellesley” college. hate to think of BO contaminating the campus of our favorite alumnus.

  172. turndown, I guess I am a Jeffersonian at heart and have a strong belief that even though there is no perfect system. I would rather trust myself to the folly of the common people than to the folly of the elite.

    If Obama won fair and square in a one person-one vote secret ballot system, so be it. But he was only able to do in caucuses by using his bully youth wing to browbeat unsuspecting voters into supporting him. This is not democracy in action unless the definition of democracy has been somehow redefined to meet the situation. Jimmy Carter travels all over the world to see if elections meet the requirements of a fair and open vote, but he ignores such blatant abuses in his own backyard. The old hypocrite.

  173. There is no question Obama brought out a lot of new voters. A lot of new voters are registered as Democrats now.

    It is just as apparent that many of those new voters came out TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!

    I believe a lot of people, including SD’s, overlook that fact.

  174. Obama Courts Jewish Vote in Florida
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:12:00 AM EST

    Obama sought to reassure Florida’s Jewish community he is pro-Israel today. Here’s what he had to say in response to a question about Rashid Khalidi.

    “You mentioned Rashid Khalidi, who’s a professor at Columbia,” Obama said. “I do know him because I taught at the University of Chicago. And he is Palestinian. And I do know him and I have had conversations. He is not one of my advisors; he’s not one of my foreign policy people. His kids went to the Lab school where my kids go as well. He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.”

    ….“To pluck out one person who I know and who I’ve had a conversation with who has very different views than 900 of my friends and then to suggest that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take,” he said. “So we gotta be careful about guilt by association.”

    He apparently didn’t mention Khalidi hosted a fundraiser for him when he ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 2000, or or that he attended a testimonial dinner for Khalidi and praised him when Khalidi left Chicago to chair Columbia’s Middle Eastern Studies Department, or that while he served on the board of the Woods Fund, it voted to grant $40,000.00 to the Arab American Network, an organization headed by Khalidi’s wife. From the LA Times: [More…]

    It was a celebration of Palestinian culture — a night of music, dancing and a dash of politics. Local Arab Americans were bidding farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights, who was leaving town for a job in New York.

    A special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.

    His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. . . . It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation — a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,” but around “this entire world.”

    On the fundraiser:

    ….In 2000, the Khalidis held a fundraiser for Obama’s unsuccessful congressional bid. The next year, a social service group whose board was headed by Mona Khalidi received a $40,000 grant from a local charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, when Obama served on the fund’s board of directors.

    Khalidi’s praise for Obama:

    At Khalidi’s going-away party in 2003, the scholar lavished praise on Obama, telling the mostly Palestinian American crowd that the state senator deserved their help in winning a U.S. Senate seat. “You will not have a better senator under any circumstances,” Khalidi said.

    The import:

    Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.

    And yet the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor’s going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.

    Why the Palestinians like Obama:

    At Khalidi’s 2003 farewell party, for example, a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, “then you will never see a day of peace.”

    One speaker likened “Zionist settlers on the West Bank” to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been “blinded by ideology.”

    Obama adopted a different tone in his comments and called for finding common ground. But his presence at such events, as he worked to build a political base in Chicago, has led some Palestinian leaders to believe that he might deal differently with the Middle East than either of his opponents for the White House.

    Here’s Khalidi on the Charlie Rose Show, May 12, 2004 (available on Lexis.com):

    KHALIDI: Palestinians and the Israelis are going to continue to live in a situation of what I would call worse than apartheid. There`s one state and one sovereignty between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. There`s one state and one sovereignty that controls everything to do with security, and the Palestinians live in open-air prison camps, reservations, call them what you will, tiny little dots, splotches in a swath of Israeli control of most of the West Bank.

    CHARLIE ROSE: What might change that prognosis?

    RASHID KHALIDI: The Israeli people could change it, and the United States could change its policy back. That, and the Palestinians getting — and finally, the Palestinians and the Arabs getting their act together.

    (emphasis supplied)
    Here’s Khalidi in 2001, speaking at an Open Tent meeting on six prerequisties for peace in the Middle East (Rashid Khalidi Outlines Peace Prerequisites at Open Tent Plenary, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs July 31, 2001, available on Lexis.com):

    The third prerequisite, Khalidi said, is Israel’s acceptance of the pre-1967 Green Line.

    “If we proceed that far,” he continued, “the fourth prerequisite is a reversal of settlements, which have led to the settlers-only bypass roads, apartheid, racist zoning and violence.” (emphasis supplied.)

    Fifth is to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of both states. Sixth, according to Khalidi, is the right of return, compensation and acknowledgment by Israel of its responsibility to refugees it drove from Palestine. “It is outrageous that Israel ignores U.N. Resolution 194 and says the 300,000 Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon cannot return,” he asserted, “while any Jew in the world can go to Israel.

    ….When asked how other world powers could help the Palestinians, Dr. Khalidi commented: “I don’t foresee an apocalypse, but there must be intervention to halt the apartheid. This downward spiral is dangerous for the Palestinians. What Washington doesn’t see is the fury of the people in Arab countries. What is being done to the Palestinians is hidden in the U.S. but not in Arab states. The people are going to react and boycott U.S. products. (emphasis supplied)

    When asked whether he called Israel’s policies racist or compared them to apartheid, according to the New York Times, Khalidi responded (NY Times, February 28, 2005, available on Lexis.com):

    The New York Sun has reported that Professor Khalidi has called Israel a ”racist” state with an ”apartheid system,” and has endorsed the killing of Israeli soldiers as legitimate ”resistance” to occupation.

    TRUE? ”I may have used the word ‘racist’ about Israeli policies,” Professor Khalidi said in interviews Friday and yesterday. ”In a speech I talked about the system of control of Palestinians, where they cannot move, and I said if that system is maintained, it would develop into worse than the apartheid system.”

    This is not to take a position on the policies and problems of Israel and Palestine — that’s far beyond my expertise. It’s to point out that Obama is going after the Jewish vote by stressing his unwavering support for Israel while minimizing his ties to the very pro-Palestinean Khalidi.

    Today Obama said he knows Khalidi because he taught at the University of Chicago, he’s had a conversation with Khalidi and their kids attended the same school program. He doesn’t mention the fundraiser Khalidi held for him at Khalidi’s home or his warm testimonial remarks about their dinners together at Khalidi’s home, or his voting to fund money to an organization headed by Khalidi’s wife.

    His minimization of his association with Khalidi is something I think pro-Israel Jewish voters should consider in deciding whether his pitch for their vote is sincere and truthful.

  175. Final chapter Part VI now out at http://www.opednews.com then scroll down to Evelyn Pringle article.These are all compiled from the REZKO trial testimony.What more do the voters need to deny Obama the right to be our ANYTHING in running this country.At this point,he is on his way to self destruction by his own greed and his fanatic belief that he is the CHOSEN ONE. Obama,the FAN is about to be switched on.Time to get out of the way. Hillary will be our First Woman President,our 44th and you will be just another corrupt politician in the history book of bad candidates.

    Go Hillary You are Our National Treasure and Your Time Has Come.

    By ABM90 This will be a great Memorial Day For Her

  176. Good morning everyone.
    I wanted to get in before the repair people show up and i gotta leave.
    The latest Judas is my new governor, David Patterson. apparently, he said that HRC strategy smacks of desperation buthe is still pledged to her unless the nomination goes to the other guy.
    Talk about being thrown under the bus. grrrrrrrr. And this is the SAME governor who just passed a law making ONLY the display of a noose a felony punishable with 4 years in prison. He doesn’t say a word about other hate-crime symbols, like the swaztika, or sex-crime, terrorism, bombs, guns, knives, no . . . . only the noose symbol is now a felony in my state. This man will never get re-elected after this blatant display of bias and arrogance. New Yorkers were ready to give him the

    benefitTo the convention, baby!!!!!!

    og the doubt, especially given his position at having bebeen drafted after Spitzer’s resignation, but this is going too friggin far, especially since the ‘noose’ incident he cites at Columbia University is now known to have been planned by the professor who reported it and SHE was the one who hung a noose from her office door.in

  177. YIKES!!!!!! My text disappears and i can’t see what I’m typing and then sentences get jumbled and misplaced! Here’s the last Paragraph.

    New Yorkers were ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially given his position at having been drafted after Spitzer’s resignation, but this is going too friggin far, especially since the ‘noose’ incident he cites at Columbia University is now known to have been planned by the professor who reported it and SHE was the one who hung the noose from her office door.

    To the convention!!!!!!

  178. Older people vote. Younger people, unless they have shown the initiative to get involved (usually they were raised to get involved) are very busy with their lives.

    I think the analysis here is correct. The older people will vote for McCain, and the younger people simply will not vote. If their candidate has been eliminated, they just will forget about it as the excitment for them will be gone. Will there be a group of Obama people providing the buses, or making sure they get the absentee ballots, or get them to the polls? I double that the sturcture will be there. However, the older people and handicapped people are already registered to vote absentee. They will receive those in the mail automatically, and they have a history of filling those things out and leaving them for the mail man.

  179. paddy4hill: turndown, I guess I am a Jeffersonian at heart and have a strong belief that even though there is no perfect system. I would rather trust myself to the folly of the common people than to the folly of the elite.
    True. As the late William Buckley once said ” I would rather be ruled by the first 200 names in the Brooklyn phone directory than by the entire faculty of Harvard Law School”.

  180. Good Morning!!

    I looked up the Electorial College estimates and Hillary has gained an additonal 5 Electorial votes from yesterday, the state she picked up was NV. (Hillary 46% McCain 41%). These are just estimates based on the latest polls, so this could/can be very fluid, but still fun and intresting to look at!!


  181. meiyingsu:

    Thanks for posting that piece by Jeralyn E. Merritt over at TalkLeft. That is some great work by her, and shows YET ANOTHER one of Obama’s anti-American pals in Khalidi.

    Yo, Bambs:

    Sorry, the “guilt by association” crying game isn’t going to work.

    Because right now, you’re walking and quacking a lot like an anti-American, terrorist-sympathizing duck. To wit:

    Rezko (Auchi, Saddam)
    Frank Marshall Davis
    Farrakhan/Million Man March
    Hamas backing
    Unconditional meetings with Iran, …
    Immediate Muslim World Conference if you’re elected
    Odinga (and his deal with fundamental Islamists)
    New Black Panther Party
    Barack *hearts* Malcolm X
    Che Guevara posters
    No flag pin lapel
    No hand on heart for American songs

    Capiche, Bambi?

    This isn’t guilt by association, it’s what’s usually referred to as ‘preponderance of the evidence.’

    You’re dirty; you helped Cuz Odinga in his campaign — the same cuz who stands accused of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the Kenyan government. You said to the world in the YouTube/CNN debate that you would meet unconditionally with Iran, Chavez, … (see here for the evidence:


    You’re not fooling anybody, and you’re not going to get away with this stuff, either. You can race-bait and whine about ‘guilt by association’ as much as you want — all while hiding behind “mommy” MSM’s apron strings — but nobody is buying it and the ads are already being made.

    You are a threat to the nation’s security, you and your insane, naive ideas. You blew it like crazy with Odinga, and when you realized that you started making calls that your cousin blew off while he kept allowing his minions to kill Kenyans.

    Guess what?

    The world doesn’t need you and your god-awful judgment with your hand on the red button. There aren’t any ‘do-overs’ when you make catastrophic mistakes, as Odinga’s victims and their families could tell you.

    You need to go someplace where it’s all fantasy, it’s all theoretical gobbledygook. Like back to the ivory towers of the academy, back to your non-professorship.

    Somewhere where your lack of spine and paucity of reasoning can’t hurt more people, including ‘typical white people.’


    Note to those media members reading the site:

    Over the coming weeks and months, you are going to hear a lot of outright falsehoods concerning Hillaryis44.org. These falsehoods will be coming from the Bambi Fascists, the same people who have made death threats to Hillary supporters; the same people who think you — the media — are their plaything.

    Tip: Do your homework on these falsehoods-to-come, or else you will likely find yourselves in a Judy Miller/aluminum tubes situation. And we all know how that worked for Judy’s career.

    If you want to work for Obama, do what Linda Douglas did.

    If you want to be a viable journalist/media member, don’t do what Miller did.

    Get the facts before you write-up a bunch of crap and are subsequently excoriated. This isn’t about which of you is to be the next ‘sweetie,’ it’s about the future of our country.

    Remember that.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  182. meiyingsu:

    Thanks for posting that piece by Jeralyn E. Merritt over at TalkLeft. That is some great work by her, and shows YET ANOTHER one of Obama’s anti-American pals in Khalidi.

    Yo, Bambs:

    Sorry, the “guilt by association” crying game isn’t going to work.

    Because right now, you’re walking and quacking a lot like an anti-American, terrorist-sympathizing duck. To wit:

    Rezko (Auchi, Saddam)
    Frank Marshall Davis
    Farrakhan/Million Man March
    Hamas backing
    Unconditional meetings with Iran, …
    Immediate Muslim World Conference if you’re elected
    Odinga (and his deal with fundamental Islamists)
    New Black Panther Party
    Barack *hearts* Malcolm X
    Che Guevara posters
    No flag pin lapel
    No hand on heart for American songs

    Capiche, Bambi?

    This isn’t guilt by association, it’s what’s usually referred to as ‘preponderance of the evidence.’

    You’re dirty; you helped Cuz Odinga in his campaign — the same cuz who stands accused of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the Kenyan government. You said to the world in the YouTube/CNN debate that you would meet unconditionally with Iran, Chavez, … (see here for the evidence:


    You’re not fooling anybody, and you’re not going to get away with this stuff, either. You can race-bait and whine about ‘guilt by association’ as much as you want — all while hiding behind “mommy” MSM’s apron strings — but nobody is buying it and the ads are already being made.

    You are a threat to the nation’s security, you and your insane, naive ideas. You blew it like crazy with Odinga, and when you realized that you started making calls that your cousin blew off while he kept allowing his minions to kill Kenyans.

    Guess what?

    The world doesn’t need you and your god-awful judgment with your hand on the red button. There aren’t any ‘do-overs’ when you make catastrophic mistakes, as Odinga’s victims and their families could tell you.

    You need to go someplace where it’s all fantasy, it’s all theoretical gobbledygook. Like back to the ivory towers of the academy, back to your non-professorship.

    Somewhere where your lack of spine and paucity of reasoning can’t hurt more people, including ‘typical white people.’


    Note to those media members reading the site:

    Over the coming weeks and months, you are going to hear a lot of outright falsehoods concerning Hillaryis44.org. These falsehoods will be coming from the Bambi Fascists, the same people who have made death threats to Hillary supporters; the same people who think you — the media — are their plaything.

    Tip: Do your homework on these falsehoods-to-come, or else you will likely find yourselves in a Judy Miller/aluminum tubes situation. And we all know how that worked for Judy’s career.

    If you want to work for Obama, do what Linda Douglas did.

    If you want to be a viable journalist/media member, don’t do what Miller did.

    Get the facts before you write-up a bunch of crap and are subsequently excoriated. This isn’t about which of you is to be the next ‘sweetie,’ it’s about the future of our country.

    Remember that.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  183. Something else fast:

    The ‘parties’ and celebrations about pledged delegate milestones, etc. mean nothing, as some of the excellent work posted above shows.

    Here’s the bottom line:


    So when we hit 2026 or 2209 or whatever, it still doesn’t matter because ALL of those delegates are able to switch their minds between now and the end of August.

    Just ask John Lewis.

    The drumbeat from Tumulty, Healy (huge Clinton hater) and others is irrelevant. It is prescriptive, and needs to be seen as such. It is an attempt to influence what happens, not an attempt to report what is happening.

    Nobody wins anything until Denver. That is all anyone needs to know. If Hillary got every last SD’s support tonight it still wouldn’t matter until Denver. There is a long way yet to go here.

    Paul F. Villarreal

  184. Well, this is the best I’ve felt about our prospects once we’re in Denver, after hashing it out with PaddyHill and Texans4Hill last night.

    And Pringle’s final installment only clarifies & adds to the weight of BO’s baggage.
    On the flip side Sen. Feinstein is now musing openly about a No. 2 spot, we’ve got Hill in a wedding dress ‘marrying’ BO on the front page of the NY Post, and now this CNN report which purports to provide a description of ‘the talks’ .
    As speculated yesterday, are said talks a way of playing possum until the 5.31 hearing? I don’t know, and if anyone does they’d best not be talking!.

    Clinton Campaign in Talks With Obama About VP Slot, CNN Says

    By Chris Dolmetsch
    May 23 (Bloomberg) — U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign is in formal talks with Senator Barack Obama’s campaign about becoming his vice presidential running mate, CNN reported, without citing anyone specific.
    The two Democratic campaigns are talking about ways for Clinton, from New York, to drop her bid for president that may include joining the Illinois senator’s ticket, CNN reported. Talks are in a “very preliminary” stage and are described as “difficult,” the network said.

  185. One final thing before I head out.

    The “Clinton as VP” thing, or the “Bill wants HRC to be BHO’s VP” thing.

    As is the case in pieces like this by Keith Boykins:


    Or this gem from FluffPo:


    …the Bambians are not able to restrain themselves when it comes to taking shots at Clinton or her supporters. They cannot do it, and the desperation they consistently demonstrate to protect their weak candidate is something which is easily exploited.

    Now, we have all heard — repeatedly — how much Mish does not want HRC as BHO’s VP. We have heard Pelosi — a Bambian — say similar things.

    Want to know a good way to expose the Bambians for the vicious Clinton- and Clinton-supporter haters they are?

    Bring up Hillary being BHO’s VP

    What follows from this topic being raised is exactly what followed Bambi’s ass-kickings in WV and KY: Unhinged denunciations from the Bambi Posse.

    I love it. I think this is a great strategy to be using right now. It puts the lie to the ‘we’re ready to unify’ talk coming from the Bambians and exposes them as the vituperative, Stalinist fringe which they are.


    Hillary isn’t going to be on any ticket with BHO, and why should she? Does anyone remember who McGovern’s VP choice was?

    Exactly. You don’t hitch your wagon to a broken-down horse. Barack is unelectable, and no one knows that better than the Clintons. They don’t want anything to do with the radioactive carnival barker from Illinois.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  186. Universal/Paul,

    “It is an attempt to influence what happens, not an attempt to report what is happening.”

    Well said. Have to beware that as these ‘reports’ seem to pile up, most as just a recycling, citing the original TIME story.
    That CNN affiliates a quote that could well be coming from the BO side in order to feed the story means nothing – or it could be something.
    This I don’t think we’re going to find out definitively anytime soon.
    It’s endgame stuff & too sensitive.

    Hey, btw, what’s with the ‘tag’ after every post?
    I think it’s bugging me :), not that you should care…..

  187. “Want to know a good way to expose the Bambians for the vicious Clinton- and Clinton-supporter haters they are?
    Bring up Hillary being BHO’s VP”

    U mean the reverse, right? Bring up BO as VP.

    Or am I wrong – again?

  188. Actually, one caveat to what I just wrote:

    Since the Clintons know BHO can’t be elected in November, it actually may behoove them to want HRC installed as the VP choice. This way HRC stays on the scene and appears to be taking her ‘pending’ loss in stride, etc. She looks like the company woman, so to speak.

    And in joint appearances it allows voters to see how much more-informed HRC is than Bambi.

    And when Bambi is beaten in November it allows angry Dem voters to shift their hopes onto HRC.

    I think that if the Clintons actually believed Bambi had a shot in November, they would not think about HRC being in the VP slot. But since they have, correctly, come to the conclusion that Bambi cannot be elected, then lobbying for the VP slot actually makes a lot of sense for the reasons mentioned.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  189. Blue Dem:

    – The media, or almost all of it, is only concerned with helping Bambi. They’ll make things up, conduct gamed polls, whatever

    – My tag: Branding, particularly of Bambi and what he’s about

    – If you mention the possibility of HRC as BHO’s VP to Bambians, you end up with comments like Michelle’s saying essentially “uh-uh, no way.”

    What this does is it ‘draws-out’ the hatred and insanity of The Cultists. And as we approach the FL/MI stuff and the last few primaries, it is good to remind those deciding on these things exactly who the Bambists really are (race-baiting hooligans who hate the Clintons and their supporters) as opposed to what they try to present themselves as being (“Kumbaya”-ians).

    Jan H. — Thanks. 🙂

  190. Universal,

    “it actually may behoove them to want HRC installed as the VP choice. This way HRC stays on the scene and appears to be taking her ‘pending’ loss in stride, etc. She looks like the company woman, so to speak.”

    Yes, this is what I said yesterday and again last night, playing possum, so to speak. Ok, so it’s not totally crazy.

    Or maybe we’re both nuts!

  191. Blue Dem — Exactly. Playing possum.

    If anyone feels like a good laugh as involves Michelle, check this out:


    This is what happens when you tell people your wife is off limits and act all prissy and such.

    Barry: STFU, and grow a pair. Your wife’s a nutjob, and of course people are going to bring that up.


    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  192. Let’s let CNN know that we can’t accept Alex Castellanos calling HRC a bitch.

    CNN president is Jonathan Klein

    You can reach Mr. Klein here:
    Tel: (404) 827-1500
    E-mail: jonathan.klein@turner.com
    Fax: (404) 827-1784 (Public Relations)

  193. Let’s let CNN know that we won’t accept Alex Costellanos calling HRC a bitch.

    You can reach Mr. Klein here:
    Tel: (404) 827-1500
    Fax: (404) 827-1784 (Public Relations)

  194. Universal,

    hehe, watched that. U guys are out of your minds! 🙂

    Bill Clinton sees Hillary as No. 1 – or 2

    Daily News Washington Bureau

    Friday, May 23rd 2008, 4:00 AM

    WASHINGTON – A top-secret effort to find Barack Obama’s running mate is underway, campaign sources acknowledged Thursday.

    And if Bill Clinton gets his way, Hillary will get the No. 2. job.

    The former President has told friends his wife deserves to be the vice presidential pick, Time magazine reported.

    Not so fast, said a longtime Clinton adviser – Bubba’s priority remains trying to persuade superdelegates to back his wife for the top job.

    “He wants her to be the presidential nominee. After that, he wants the best deal she can get from Obama,” the source said.

    Looking past the primary battle, Obama tapped veteran veep-vetter Jim Johnson to scrutinize potential picks. The ex-Fannie Mae CEO screened vice presidential prospects for John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984.

    Obama said Johnson is a friend but not on his payroll, declining to comment “on vice presidential matters because I have not won this nomination.”

    Team Obama refused to speculate on possible running mates.

    “Nobody is going to know who it is until Barack Obama is ready to make an announcement,” a campaign aide insisted.

    Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson added, “There have been no discussions with Sen. Obama’s campaign about Sen. Clinton being vice president.”

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  196. Blue Dem, Birdgal:

    Ha ha. Thanks, glad you liked it.

    It was John’s idea. And I liked the concept. Enough of this “you can’t say this/do this” crap.

    We’re not playing by BHO’s rules.

    And neither should anyone else. Emperor, clothes, none.


    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  197. I can’t compare my contributions to what most of you have done as mine have only been financial. However, I find day after day a lot of inspiration from this site in the face of having to hear, see. or read the MSM distorted and biased coverage of this nomination process. I came here from the Huffington site when it became too much of an everyday fight with the extreme lefties, and while this site is much moire for the pro-active Hillary supporter, it is a haven for those of us who feel angry, cheated, betrayed , and yet, still determined to support the finest candidate I have seen in my lifetime in Senator Clinton…Gob bless her and all of us in fighting the good fight for our nation.

  198. Universal, I do not believe she should be on the ticket with BO. When he loses they would blame her for the loss. She should stay as far away from it as possible. I hope she does not get on the ticke. I could not vote for that ticket.

  199. JB: My sentiments exactly.

    Clintondem 99: I agree. She should not be on a ticket with him. The guy is radioactive, and will only bring her down. I don’t think, I could vote for that ticket, either.

    She has to be on the top of the ticket. Isn’t all this VP talk, a bit premature???

  200. JB: All contributions are more than welcome and appreciated. It’s not a comparison thing, it’s just about getting the job done. Glad to have you here! 🙂

    ClintonDem: I don’t want her on the ticket, either. I just think that the Clintons are thinking strategically by bringing it up and possibly seeing it through. I think this is a good thing, overall.

    meiyingsu: Thanks for the video! You are correct, we should talk about electability. The VP stuff is just a parallel track in order to use the media’s eagerness to declare BHO the ‘winner’ against them.

    Birdgal: Yes, the VP talk is very premature. But the MSM doesn’t have anything else good to say for Barry (E.g., “We think he’ll dominate in South Dakota!”) right now, so they’re running with this. The Clintons are just rolling with it and working with the MSM’s ploys, I think.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  201. birdgal, I am in total agreement. Does any one know what is happening with the law suit in Florida? Are they going to file a law suit in MI too?

  202. Birdgal —

    Just to flesh out that last point a little bit more:

    There is NOTHING positive on the horizon for Barry, save perhaps SD and MT. He knows it and so do his allies in the media. And that is why they are looking to create stories like the VP thing.

    This is classic propaganda/psy-ops stuff. Trying to make the narrative, etc.

    The good thing is, Barry can’t win (or even get the majority of delegates ahead of time to claim he won) the nomination in any way before Denver. And so no matter what the MSM and he try, it won’t work. HRC is on her way to standing up for civil rights for FL/MI and all the USA and she is on her way to winning both the overall popular vote and the registered Dem voters popular vote.

    Barry is on his way to becoming “Bush 2000:” Popular vote loser, voter disenfranchiser, illegitimate nominee/President and a despised, ‘technical’ victor.

    We’ve got Pelosi poo-pooing the popular vote and sexism.

    Everything’s looking great for Clinton supporters.

    We just need to keep working and keep moving. Don’t get caught in the traps that the MSM is trying to set for us. We’re where we need to be.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  203. Quote of the day: Representative Corrine Brown (D-Florida) introducing Hillary in Boca Raton: “You are going to count us now, or don’t count on us later.”

  204. Sorry I should have added that the article looks at all the ways to count. If she really Max PR she will improve her already strong position.

    Like Florida says, only modified. You need to count all of the voters votes. Otherwise you can not count on them later. Also the remark about people always coming around I challenge. We have never had a contest where people were so divided, nor a Rep that had some liberal leanings.

  205. The law suit in Florida has just be filled again. The first one was dismissed as the election had occured, so they saw no damage.

    This time is different. In addition, I don’t trust the rules people. That law suit hanging out there might help. They want the election to stand as is. The only compromise from that would be to redo the vote, and we are getting too close to do that.

  206. If bambi is the nominee then the last place you want to be is on the ticket with him when he goes down in flames in the general election. If you thought you could save him by being on the ticket then the answer would depend on the nature and extent of the powersharing arrangement, and whether you felt he could be trusted. Unlike Bambi Hillary will do what is best for the country. At this point I agree with paddy-her chances for the nomination are 50-50.

  207. I think we should start talking about Senator Clintons VP. If they are reading this blog all over, we should give them something to chat about.

    So who do you think should run with her.

  208. Two comments about the Hillary as VP story:

    First, I believe it was planted by the BHO campaign in their continuing effort to make it look like she has given up because she knows she can’t win. This may be their most effective ploy yet.

    Second, if it was true, and if BHO selected her as the nominee, it does not change the possibilities of the SD’s finding him unelectable. In that event, she would still be available to become the nominee.

    Make it three: I still hope she becomes the nominee, and that she would refuse the VP spot.

  209. NewMexicoFan Says:
    May 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    I think we should start talking about Senator Clintons VP…

    Obama? Help heal the party?

    Jes’ kidding.

  210. What a wonderful turn of words by Representative Brown, i.e. count us now or dont count on us later. That puts equisite pressure on the unholy alliance of dean, brazille, pelosi, bambi and kennedy-de mortimus nil nisi bonum my ass. What masters they are at snatching defeat from the jaws of victroy. Hope McCain selects Crist as this will seal their fate–unless our girl is on top of the ticket. Then we win. Does the DNC care about winning or is that merely an abtraction?

  211. Great quote from that philadelphia inquierer editorial….this is what we are fighting for

    I think that once she has the popular vote locked which she will have as soon as ANY distribution of delegates is agreed to FL and MI (b/c then there can’t be any more of the “MI and FL don’t count” bs), she will start pounding on them re: the legitamacy of nominating someone who hasn’t won the popular vote.

    Partisan voters almost always come home after their candidate loses. The problem arises when a candidate’s supporters believe that their guy (or gal) didn’t lose. Expect the chorus calling for Clinton’s withdrawal to grow louder over the next week, with people insisting that she has no “path to victory.”

    Clinton’s path is both obvious and simple: Win the popular vote and force Barack Obama and his cheerleaders to explain why that doesn’t matter.

  212. I received this in an email. Some of this I knew. A lot I did not know. It has a reference at the bottom. I just cannot vouch for its total accuracy. Give me some feedback if you have seen this before

    Barak Obama – 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political forum.com – Elections and Campaigns .Share with friends

    1.) Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – LIAR, e xcept for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ’08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

    16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois – LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

    28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of I srael.

    30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

    31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.

    32.) I Won Michigan – LIAR, no you didn’t.

    33.) I won Nevada – LIAR, no you did not.

    34.) I Want All Votes To Count – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

    35.) I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

    36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

    37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

    38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

    39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.

    40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

    41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

    42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

    43.) I Inspire People With My Words – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.

    44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

    45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.

    46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

    47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

    48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

    49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

    50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

    PASS IT ON PLEASE..and counting: Posted on Political forum.com – Elections and Campaigns .Share with friends

  213. I wouldn’t vote for a OBAMA/CLINTON ticket, but i would have to think more about it if it was a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket

    but would still have to hold my nose…….as i don’t want him anywhere near OUR WHITE HOUSE!!

  214. Pushing Hillary for VP is actually a very smart move. The Obama campaign started the conversation about VP, by leaking that they were forming an exploratory committee, but they made NO mention of Hillary, despite all their “unity” talk. Now that the Clinton campaign has apparently let it be known that IF Obama is the nominee (huge IF), Hillary would love the VP slot, it forces Obama on the defensive: if he rejects it or doesn’t embrace the idea, then all his rhetoric about “unifying the party” rings hollow.

  215. Yet more latent (blatant?) sexism from the mainstream media, against Hillary. Check out this piece from today, by Howard Kurtz. Can you imagine him using the term “psychodrama” for anyone else?

    The latest round comes as the MSM is in “What Does Hillary Want?” mode–that’s the headline I keep seeing on cable shows–endlessly questioning whether she is plotting to be veep and deserves to be veep. I remember some hand-wringing over What Does Jesse Want when Jackson was making trouble for Michael Dukakis before the 1998 convention, but nothing like the psychodrama that this has become.


  216. djia Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I wouldn’t vote for a OBAMA/CLINTON ticket, but i would have to think more about it if it was a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket

    but would still have to hold my nose…….as i don’t want him anywhere near OUR WHITE HOUSE!!

    I Agree

  217. Sherm- I would bet my bottom dollar you are right. That is why the minute someone posted that story I responded “Tumulty is a liar”. With so many pundits with only the highest motives trying to find a job for poor Hillary other than the one she is supremely qualified for President of the United States, or the one she currently has Senator, it was bound to come down to something like this. Prior speculation ran to such things as head of Secretary of Health and Human Services, Governor of New York, Supreme Court Justice, it becomes rather laughable. It is a measure of their desperation and the fact that both camps have denied it uneqivocally should put an end to the latest lie promulgated by msm to steal this election. The longer she hangs in there the more her chances improve and our enemies know that.

  218. HOW SAUSAGE IS MADE (Or, How Obama “won” TX caucuses while losing TX primaries):

    I came across this May 4th posting at noquarterusa:


    Here is the text for your convenience, but if you follow the link, there are many comments, some with excellent details, evidence that should be presented to the DNC to demonstrate how Obama is trying to steal the election, and why the DNC needs to step up and perform their role as referee.

    Texas Caucus Fraud
    By Pacific JohncloseAuthor: Pacific John Name: Pacific John
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com

    Following my friend Lois Capps’ endorsement of Barack Obama, it became clear that I had done her and other delegates a disservice by not disclosing information I witnessed at the Texas caucuses, and that endorsements should be made with the benefit of this information. After her endorsement, I wrote to Rep. Capps so that she can be fully informed in the event that delegates are forced to shift from one candidate to the other as the party forms a consensus behind the stronger of the two candidates.

    I need to point out that I am not on the Hillary for President campaign staff, and that the campaign has gone to significant lengths to keep this dirty laundry out of the press. However, it is my strong feeling that we should not withhold evidence of crime, particularly since it is inconsistent with the public Obama image of being above “anything it takes to win,” and it sheds significant light onto the otherwise puzzling difference between the popular vote and caucus results. Here are excerpts from my letter to Rep. Capps.

    I was a volunteer field organizer in El Paso, Texas and investigated irregularities for three weeks after the election.

    As a Democratic Coordinated Campaign Regional Director in 1996 and as a volunteer on campaigns in the 1990s, I have the ethical obligation to report what I saw in Texas.

    When California 22nd CD Republican candidate Tom Bordonaro famously tried to suppress the vote by phone banking under a false name, many of us in the Capps campaign immediately said that we would walk away from a campaign if our side were similarly unethical. That moment kept replaying through my head election night in El Paso. Simply put, the Obama campaign made Tom Bordonaro look ethical.

    Lois Capps is correct when she wrote that Sen. Obama is inspiring. However, many of the actions of his campaign that I witnessed and investigated are criminal.

    I know this information is jarring, and puts DNC delegates in an uncomfortable situation, but if the time comes for delegates to endorse or get behind a consensus candidate, this information should be available. As I wrote to Rep. Capps, I apologize for not illuminating this earlier.

    My observations in Texas were that caucuses were broadly illegitimate. In a few well-run counties, Hillary’s caucus vote was the same or better than the popular vote, but in chaotic counties, she fell behind by double digits. While Texas is the only state to have both a binding popular vote and a caucus vote, we saw similar results in Washington State, where Obama’s numbers plunged in the unofficial primary compared to the caucuses .

    This stands out: only four major Texas counties were orderly enough to report most of their caucus results election night, and in three of these, caucus preference mirrored the popular vote (HRC popular/caucus): El Paso (69/75), Austin/Travis (37/34), San Antonio/Bexar (56/57). In the case of Austin, I have read reports that that both sides ran their caucuses well.

    These counties had exceptional organizations, but it should not take heroics to run a fair election.

    On election night in El Paso, it became obvious that the Obama field campaign was designed to steal caucuses. Prior to that, it was impossible for me to imagine the level of attempted fraud and disruption we would see. It was far worse than any GOP campaign I have organized against on the Central Coast, worse than Tom Bordonaro’s, worse than Andrea Seastrand’s, worse than the Dole campaign whose supporters vandalized our headquarters.

    We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time, like elsewhere in the state. Obama volunteers illegally took convention materials state-wide, with attempts as early as 6:30 am. Some of this was presented in a press release from Clinton Campaign Counsel Lyn Utrecht, but I witnessed worse than what she disclosed.

    In one example of fraud that I witnessed, one of my precinct captains, an elderly Hispanic woman, called me to report that BHO supporters had illegally seized control of the convention. During our series of phone calls, Mrs. “A.” reported that the Obama people took the convention materials and did not have a legal election of officers. Like nearly all of El Paso, BHO people would have lost such an election in this majority-Hillary, Hispanic, mostly elderly precinct convention.

    The Obama people ordered Mrs. A. to sit across the room during the delegate calculation, and excluded Hillary supporters from the process. Mrs. A. overheard an Obama supporter call in a false delegate count to Austin. In a 13 delegate precinct where Obama should have won approximately 4 delegates, the Obama supporters attempted to award 19 delegates to Obama. This was not innocent. During my attempts at cell phone diplomacy, the Obama “chair” hung up on me, and refused to talk to the ethical Obama organizer I was paired with at another precinct convention. As with all major attempts at fraud that we identified, this delegate count was rectified in private at the county TDP headquarters, according to TDP rules, but there were no public charges or sanctions. It is my opinion that people should be in jail, but there is not a mechanism for this sort of prosecution, certainly not within TDP rules.

    Although I have only volunteered in one state, virtually every Clinton staffer I have talked to has similar stories from other caucus states. While the Hillary field campaign operates and feels very much like typical Democratic campaigns, the Obama campaign is something new to Democratic politics. From my perspective, it looks like it has copied the worst attributes of Republican campaigns, but with unprecedented zeal.

    Ironically, only in very well-organized areas like El Paso were we able to even identify the scale of the attempted irregularities. In these areas, we were also able to rebuff most attempts at fraud, correct fraudulent delegate counts, and protect our voters. In less well-organized areas, we did not have enough eyes and ears to identify or stop fraud, and our numbers plunged.

    Although affidavits have not been made public, I have copies and records of the voter complaints for which I did interviews. Although the Hillary campaign has not gone public with evidence of fraud, the national legal team has approximately 200 such affidavits and 2000 voter complaints. The campaign intends to win the popular vote without airing these charges in public, but I suspect the campaign will provide authorities with this evidence upon request.

    My own sense is that this information should not be withheld from delegates, since it both casts the Obama campaign as stunningly unethical, and it severely undermines the general credibility of caucuses. It also points out that perception and reality are upside down. The campaign that will “do anything to win,” including the illegal acts documented in affidavits, is not Hillary’s.

    In fact, I was as proud of the integrity and transparency of the Hillary campaign in Texas as I was of the Capps and Clinton/Gore campaigns of the 1990s.

    I would be happy to share records in my position with appropriate authorities.

    It is true that elements of the Obama campaign appeal to our better angels, but, in the moment of truth when the Obama campaign echoed Republican Tom Bordonaro’s, I made the personal decision that Sen. Obama cannot be our nominee.

    I am positive that any Democrat who witnessed what I did would stand against Sen. Obama now, and I have faith that some endorsements like Rep. Capps’s are temporary. This is wrenching for a Democratic activist like me who has served on county and Assembly District committees, but I cannot support a candidate with a criminal campaign.

    Update 1

    There have been some good question in the comments at MyDD.

    In this one, there is the question about a challenge by Obama supporters, lawyer/judge Don Williams. My position is that the rules should be followed, and the process be as transparent as possible. I understand that 77% of UTEP sign in sheet preference was for Hillary, after there were a few correction related to fraud from Mr Williams’ side. I understand this challenge should be resolved by the state credentials committee, along with a large number of other challenges, prior to the Austin convention. As I understand it, the challenge states that the rules in the nominations committee at UTEP were misinterpreted. But what I saw was fraud, not a difference of opinion about convention rules. I would support any legitimate adjustment to delegate counts, be it from a correction of fraudulent sign-in sheets, or a correction of a faulty ruling.

    This post raises a lot of good questions, too many to handle adequately without a new diary:

    I’ve yet to hear any verified account of fraud. Two months, but nothign. Why after going for a month and half now on Wright do think the media would just shut out any attempt to challenge the legitimacy of the caucuses? Where is the reporting?! Why is it that you saw this, but no reporters, police officers, judges, lawyers or others who would be compelled to speak up about it and document it?

    If there is evidence of this I want to hear it. This would be criminal and I’m not.

    Finally, Hillary won El Paso by 75%. How with that overwhelming majority did you allow a minority to override the will of the majority? Even in the example of Mrs. A (you told us you witnessed this personally, but the only evidence you give is a person not named and the precinct not given), there was a majority of Hillary supporters. How did they let a minority overrule a majority? That doesn’t make sense. Please explain it to me.

    First, why did I keep quiet? I followed the campaign’s guidance to resolve these issues behind closed doors. There were a few elements of this: the campaign’s first concern was make as many corrections to the delegate count as possible within TDP rules, in TDP offices. Once the deed was done, an orderly audit benefited our side, and pushing these charges in the press would have created a circus (a la Florida) that would have shut down the process of verifying sign in sheets and delegate calculations.

    Second, why no reporting? Because the press did not seek to investigate this, even though the Clinton campaign published the linked press release that we had evidence of widespread illegalities. I called a reporter from the El Paso Times who did not return my call. Also, this did not get pushed in the press after the initial press release because the TX Hillary campaign chose to trust the process and grind out the delegate count. Since the TDP is run by people who support both campaigns, there would have been a serious lose of face to air these charges, and would have strained the professional relationships between all in the campaigns and in the party. In the specific case of El Paso, I am told Chair Danny Anchondo did not want to humiliate leading Obama-supporting Democrats who he will have to live with for years to come.

    Third, how did a minority faction override the majority? In the end, they did not. We had the best field operation I have ever seen, and in most cases, had a few trained people in each precinct. I should add, our organization was so overwhelming, the Obama campaign abandoned their precinct captain program about a week before the election, placing their bets on an election-day blitz by out of state organizers. We were also transparent, and included people with ties to the Obama campaign in our caucus training program. We knew that an orderly process favored Hillary. We would not have known about Mrs. A’s precinct if we did not have trained people in the room.

    So, we were able to over-turn problems like Mrs A’s precinct after the fact. How did the Obama organizers seize the convention in the first place? By intimidation, by physically controlling the legal documents, and by ignoring the legal process that called for an election of officers. They took the convention package and never let go of it.

  219. clintondem99,

    They are going to blame Hillary no matter what happens. Therefore, the only thing that makes sense is for her to be the nominee period. Obama will/is already destroying the party’s chances to win the white house come November. The Republicans are already roasting him and will get even worse.

    I might accept him for VP, but I guarantee you that this is going to the convention because he is not going to back down (for the good of the party), he is not going to do the right thing, the noble thing, he is only going to enable his extremist supporters to do whatever they have to in order to get him the nomination. It will be a brokered one that is ripe with bribery and fraud.

  220. djia Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I wouldn’t vote for a OBAMA/CLINTON ticket, but i would have to think more about it if it was a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket

    If Hillary wins the nomination, Obama would not accept VP. But she could appoint him Embassador to Kenya. :^)

  221. RGB LOL one could only hope!!

    my comment above was because i do not think we should let the narrative be told by MSM that hillary supporters would accept her as the VP of OBama……..i think that would be a very bad idea

    I think it has to be top of the ticket or no ticket

  222. Thought I’d chime in about the possibility of HRC as veep. I definitely think HRC would take VP if it was offered. There really isn’t a downside for her. If Obama loses she would be well positioned to try again in 4 yrs if she wanted to. And if they did get elected she would be the first female VP in the country’s history. Also Hill would be able to continue working on the issues she cares about. However, I have no idea if all this is really true or the usual beltway/insider gossip.

  223. rgb44hrc Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    djia Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    I wouldn’t vote for a OBAMA/CLINTON ticket, but i would have to think more about it if it was a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket

    If Hillary wins the nomination, Obama would not accept VP. But she could appoint him Embassador to Kenya. :^)

    How about ambassador to Siberia

  224. I have been reading you alls posts and I think that maybe we don’t know everything.
    We also don’t know if Obama will be indicted in Chicago and maybe no one else does either. If he got indicted after November and had to drop out Hillary would be able to keep the ticket going and not forfiet to the republicans. Of coarse, we don’t know what would happen because I dont think a nominee has ever been indicted before!
    Feedback please!

  225. When I read the Howard Kurtz article one of the many things that struck me is that he has a bad memory. A few months back he interviewed Milbank and seemed to understand the invidious discimination directed against Hillary by his peers at msn and that it was sexist. Those sorts of attacks are outside the outside the boundaries of normal political discourse and are in that sense megapolitical. Yet he finds fault with Hillarys insistence that the votes in florida and michigan be counted. He says she previously agreed they would not count but fails to report that she sought a revote, such that now since that revote did not occur thanks to bambi the original vote must be counted. She is courageous to press the issue and the voters whom Kurz and his WashPo fellow travellers would like to forget are grateful.

  226. nikki22, I agree with you that she would probably not turn it down. One of the encouraging things I gathered from reading all this VP stuff is that it sounds like she is interested in running again down the road, IF she falls short this time. For a while, I figured this was going to be her only chance.

    And if she runs again, she will get the nomination. Count on it. As good a candidate as she is now, she’ll be even better with lessons learned from this battle.

  227. Where is all this VP talk with Hillary coming from? Is this from a so called secret inside source from the Clinton campaign? It’s so funny how there are many of those nowadays. I want Hillary to have nothing to do with Obama. Obama is a sinking ship waiting to happen and she shouldn’t be on that ship when it happens. She can do more in the Senate if she doesn’t get the nomination. But she will get the nomination.

  228. It also can be that the DNC is trying to throw this out there and see if we bite and thats how they’ll leave it.
    It also can mean they are trying to screw up the SD and MT and PR and suppress it!

  229. fox just reporting that both obama and clinton campaigns saying there have been NO VP talks between them

  230. I would hope she would never except a VP spot. To do what? funerals, I don;t think so. She is too intelligent to take a vp spot.

    She want have to take the VP spot she will be the NOMINEE

  231. Feinsteins backs Clinton-Obama ticket, from the SF Chronicle (below). …Great move by the Clinton campaign to emphasize the need for party unity, and it blocks Axelrod from trying to push Hillary over the proverbial cliff, as he’s been trying to do.

    Feinstein backs Clinton-Obama ticket

    Friday, May 23, 2008

    (05-23) 10:33 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) —

    California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a staunch supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, says that if Sen. Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee he should pick Clinton as his running mate.

    Feinstein said she hasn’t discussed it with Clinton. But she said that combining the two constituencies that each candidate has attracted would make for the strongest ticket.

    Feinstein, a longtime friend of Clinton’s, emphasized that she doesn’t view Obama’s nomination as a foregone conclusion. And Feinstein said that if Clinton becomes the nominee she should pick Obama as her running mate.

    Feinstein made the comments in a phone interview Friday with The Associated Press.

  232. birdgal, after reading part 6 of the curtain, you get the sense that maybe a indictment is in the works. That would explain Bambi’s screw ups on the campaign trail a few weeks ago. He is getting nervous.
    I hope she isn’t on the ticket, but I guess I would still vote that ticket over McCain, because she would be there to watch over things, but still it is a pretty repulsive idea! It would also tell us women we are just not ready to fill the shoes of POTUS. I don’t know I still think its a media pushed idea!

  233. Here’s my alternate universe scenario. McCain beats BO. Clinton becomes Gov of NY. In 2012, Clinton beats McCain. I would be very happy with that scenario.

  234. rgb44: the article on voter fraud in texas is excellent. It merits the widest possible circulation. More evidence of what the great unifier would do to the country. I was in Laredo and did not see this but I sure as hell heard the reports. But there was one incident at one of my precincts where the obama people tried to kick down the doors of the caucus site and six squad cars were called in.

  235. JAN H, I would to. Stephanie has really worked hard and that would probably help with the AA’s!

  236. It really could be a media pushed idea because if they know Bambi is going down, why not talk the American people into putting Hillary on there too and they (republicans) could knock them both out in one swift move as (swiftboat)! This is probably the scenario.

  237. Well, I guess the “get out of the race” demands didn’t work on our Hillary, so the new thing is the VP talk. Doesn’t this smack of Obama campaign’s new directive to his followers and MSM, something about being nice to HRC supporters and loving us into submission? His 500 paid bloggers have got their orders.

  238. If Hillary is the VP nominee, she will become the John Edwards of 2008 — unable to help the top of the ticket. If, however, she really believes that Obama won’t be on the ticket by November…….

    If Obama DID make it, she would then have to spend 4 years loyally keeping her mouth shut.

    Luckily for us, Hillary will be the nominee and can choose as her VP a prominent Obama supporter and unite the party.

  239. confloyd Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    birdgal, after reading part 6 of the curtain, you get the sense that maybe a indictment is in the works. That would explain Bambi’s screw ups on the campaign trail a few weeks ago. He is getting nervous.

    I haven’t read part 6 of the curtain. I’ll do that, this weekend. It is so unbelievable, that the party elite would put up, such a fraud and empty suit.

  240. JanH Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    I would love to see Stephanie Tubb-Jones as Hillary’s V.P.

    The two of them would be dynamite. Jackson-Lee has been wonderful, as well. Actually, most of Hillary’s surrogates have been great: Strickland, Rendell, Bayh, Clark, Wilson, Easley, etc.

  241. freckles,
    I think you are underestimating Hillary’s appeal. No way does BO lose NY or CA with HRC on the ticket. Probably most of the blue states remain blue with Hill as vp. When all this “dream ticket” talk started surfacing I’ve thought if they ran together that would get most dems to come out for the GE. But I still haven’t been convinced the ticket would be unbeatable like some have suggested.

  242. from larry at Noquarter

    A Shout Out to Barack and Dave »

    By Larry JohnsongravatarcloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson
    Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
    Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net\

    I guess I won’t be on the guest list for future Obama events. Or, if I get an invitation to dinner, I better make sure I am not the main course. What is this about? I just heard from someone in a position to know that Barack and his team are reading No Quarter and are none too happy. They realize that the Michelle tape is dynamite and are working mightily to tamp it down.

    I also learned from a separate source that a prominent female blogger asked David Axlerod about the Michelle Obama anti-white rant tape Axlerod stammered and ultimately did not have a good answer. Well, at least Barack and his team know they have a problem. They are hoping to defer dealing with this until after the Democratic Convention.

    So, here is to being a thorn in the side of the Obama campaign. Can we help educate America about the real Barack Obama? YES WE CAN!

  243. I wish that NY Governor would shut up as well…way too many of her people have loose lips…he has been kind of an embarrassment so far…

  244. From Politico:

    A day after the Clinton campaign ratcheted up their stance and rhetoric on Michigan and Florida, CNN is reporting — all from Clinton sources — that an exit strategy is under construction, and there are “formal talks.”

    There’s talks of vice presidency, and the Clinton sources say there would be “civil war” in the party if she wasn’t offered the job.

    It’s unclear if this is different than the kind of whispers that Roger heard earlier this week.

    Both David Axelrod and Bill Burton told CNN there weren’t talks.

    UPDATE: Obama Communications Director Robert Gibbs chimes in, “It is completely and utterly untrue.”

    UPDATE: Echoing the blind CNN quotes about a “civil war”, Clinton fundraising chief Hassan Nemazee just said this to Greg Sargent:

    “There’s a desire on the part of the party to come together under any circumstances, and Hillary and her supporters will do everything in their power to help Obama win, should he become the nominee, whether or not she’s on the ticket,” Nemazee said to me this morning.

    “But there’s a risk that if she isn’t invited on the ticket, Hillary’s political and financial supporters may not feel compelled to be as integrated and involved in the Obama campaign in order to provide the maximum support that he’ll need to prevail in November.”

  245. Just saw this by Greg Sargent on Talking Points Memo:

    In a move that could foreshadow a public push from the Hillary forces to get Barack Obama to invite her on the ticket, Hillary’s top campaign fundraising official said in an interview that there’s a “risk” that Hillary’s political and financial supporters won’t get behind Obama in time for him to win in November if she’s passed over for the veep slot.

    The fundraiser, businessman Hassan Nemazee, is Hillary’s leading finance chair and one of the most influential money men in the party. He’s the first prominent Hillary campaign official to raise the possiblity of an Obama loss should she not be invited on the ticket, and his comments suggests that this argument could emerge as central to any Clinton camp push to make her veep.

    “There’s a desire on the part of the party to come together under any circumstances, and Hillary and her supporters will do everything in their power to help Obama win, should he become the nominee, whether or not she’s on the ticket,” Nemazee said to me this morning.

    “But there’s a risk that if she isn’t invited on the ticket, Hillary’s political and financial supporters may not feel compelled to be as integrated and involved in the Obama campaign in order to provide the maximum support that he’ll need to prevail in November.”

    “We have to recognize that we’re talking about the month of June, versus a normal process that historically would have begun in the month of March,” Nemazee said. “Time is not your friend. A dream ticket would be the best way to ensure both unity and full and active support, financially and politically, for the ticket to be in the strongest position to win in the fall.”

    Nemazee went on, “It goes without saying that this argument is predicated on the fact that the single most important aspect of Senator Obama’s decision is who is able to serve as president in a moment’s notice should that need arise. And it is clear that Hillary Clinton fills that role.”

    Nemazee’s comments — the farthest any Hillary campaign official has gone in this direction to date — come after The New York Times reported this morning that “friends” of Bill Clinton say he’s informally floated the possibility of her in the veep slot.

    More on this soon.

  246. Absolutely brilliant political jujitsu by the Clinton team with all this VP chatter. Keep in mind what’s happened here: first, Axelrod started all the talk about Obama’s VP search, SOLELY to create the impression that Obama is the inevitable nominee (the whole “Mission Accomplished” thiing). In reality, Obama is nowhere CLOSE to picking a VP, and knows that it would be impossibly premature. It was all done for PR purposes. The Clinton team, not missing a beat, thought, ‘okay, two can play this game’ — we’ll be gracious and ask if we can have the VP slot, and basically called Obama’s bluff. This will force Obama on the defensive, and expose the entire exercise for what it is — a big PR sham orchestrated by Axelrod. And if Obama doesn’t offer Hillary the VP slot, then all his rhetoric about “party unity” rings completely hollow.

  247. jbstonesfan Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
    I wish that NY Governor would shut up as well…way too many of her people have loose lips…he has been kind of an embarrassment so far…

    I so agree what is up with these people

  248. BTW, in his comments yesterday in Fla., Waffles sounded like he was very open to Hillary as VP. He’d be a huge fool not to at least ask her.

    BTW, the Hillary campaign also publicly denied there were talks going on between the camps. There probably are. It’s not something either side can confirm though, for obvious reasons.

  249. I agree with you, BV. The MSM pushes the meme that Hillary is dividing the party, but if Waffles doesn’t ask her to be VP, it’ll be seen as a major slap in the face at her and show his unity message for the crock of shit it is.

  250. Jonathan Alter has been another one of the most anti-Clinton “journalists” as well.

  251. In another excerpt from the kurtz article we find the real reason why big media wants Hillary to fold and to disenfranchise the states which have not yet voted. The spoiled and pampered pets who pretend to be journalists are tired of the election process, and are against Hillary because she is a woman and a Clinton.

    In other words they put their own shallow interests ahead of those of the country. Sarnoff, Murrow, Cronkite, Thomas, Brinkley, Sevaraid–those were giants. What we see today in the msnbc/nbc stable, washpo and nyt are pygmies.

    In fact they have so destroyed their own credibility in this election that it is impossible to believe anything they say on any subject in the future: falso in uno falso in omnibus. Or if Latin aint your thing, try the story of the little boy who cried wolf.

  252. Caroline Says:

    May 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    Where is all this VP talk with Hillary coming from? Is this from a so called secret inside source from the Clinton campaign? It’s so funny how there are many of those nowadays. I want Hillary to have nothing to do with Obama. Obama is a sinking ship waiting to happen and she shouldn’t be on that ship when it happens. She can do more in the Senate if she doesn’t get the nomination. But she will get the nomination.
    I Agree with you…I hate this VP talk because I think Hillary would make the better president.

    Obama has a HUGE problem of electability. The G.E. will NOT be the democratic party lame primary race…it will be one vote = one vote + Electorial College system. So go on and believe the fantasy of a Obama adminstration based only on Obama’s primary wins mostly in Caucuses.

    I think that “sinkhole of electability” under Obama’s feet is getting larger and larger.

  253. Hillary will go down in history as one of the greatest champions for human rights, women’s rights, civil rights and democracy that this world has ever known. This speech, printed above in its entirety, just demonstrates her commitment to our most fundamental principle in this country: the right for every vote to count and for every voice to be heard. I am so proud of her.

    As for talk of VP, it would be Obama’s chance of winning a general election. However, to endorse such a strategy seems to me to be endorsing the idea that a less qualified candidate be named President while a much more qualified and electable candidate be named as the VP nominee. I understand the game that may be playing here, but Hillary as VP nominee is not the same as Hillary as Presidential nominee.

    There are great petitions going around objecting to the sexism in the media, to recent statements on CNN, and this is great to see. I hope all participate in those efforts as well.

  254. Why should the most brilliant statesperson to come along in many years, take the veep position in an administration doomed to failure, thus tainting her reputation and diminishing her chance to lead?

    If she should not get the nomination, then I think she would be far more valuable to us in the Senate. I’m more concerned with the needs of the country than the needs of the party. We need Hillary. She is a gift to our time. She has the answers to our problems. To bury her in no-action job would be a HUGE WASTE!

    As for the party, the party is a mess. She is the only one who could unite us all and only if she is the nominee because she really is a great unifier. But really, I think it’s time we recognize what the country needs is a 3 party system — The Far Right, The Far Left and the Centrist – because that’s how the country is actually split.

    And why do they assume that Hillary supporters would back that unqualified pretentious package for president. All the Hill supporters I know are still vowing they will never vote for him, even if she tells us to. We are not sheep. We trust what we see, not what we’re told.

  255. Far from dividing the party, I see Hillary as uniting us around our most important, our most fundamental principles as Americans. Her speech is wonderful. Reminding us of how the 2000 election was stolen is important. We Democrats cannot disenfranchise our own. And she’s exactly right: millions of people from FL and MI who voted did nothing wrong. They didn’t break any rules. It is not their fault that people they never met or saw set up a set of circumstances that were beyond their control. A vote is sacred in this country and as Hillary said, “every vote is a prayer.” You go, girl! What better thing to unite around than the fundamental principles of democracy and the right to vote. These rights were hard earned and fought for. During the civil rights movement, people died trying to register Black people. Black people died trying to exercise their right to vote. During the Women’s Suffrage movement, our grandmothers and greatgrandmothers suffered earning the right to vote. They were thrown in dank cells, feed filthy food and when they struck and would not eat, disgusting food was forced down our throats. It is a disgrace for us to ever attempt to deny a voter their right to their vote in this country. Go Hillary!

  256. I just watched Hillary’s interview by the Editorial board of the
    South Dakota paper the Argus Leader, live

    She flat out denies and calls ridiculous any talks of any sort with
    the BO campaign of VP or exit strategy

    In fact she will be in Puerto Rico tomorrow campaigning
    And BTW she was brilliant as usual in the interview

    If they don’t endorse her, then they are sick puppies, to say the least

  257. We also have to think if Axelrod gets out that Hillary wants to be VP, then all this fraud, marxist, communist talk will seem not true because afterall Hillary would consider running with him.

  258. With ALL the help Obambi is getting he STILL can’t close the deal!

    Never in my life have I seen such positive reviews from the MSM and I’m 51 years old. Even Reagen didn’t get this kind of azz kissing like Obambi is getting from the news media.

  259. Oh I forgot to say:

    Don’t give a dime to the DNC….let Obambi pay their bills…since they said they didn’t need or want us. The DNC under Howard Dean barely tolerates us and doesn’t hold themselves neutral with these state caucuses.

  260. I am not giving any money to the party, Hillary gets everything I can afford. I think a civil war is going on right now. The idiots know they have to count the votes and that puts Bambi in danger of losing the nomination!! Ha! Ha! Howie, sometimes what goes around comes around!

  261. Clinton says reports of veep negotiations untrue

    By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer

    Friday, May 23, 2008

    (05-23) 11:49 PDT Sioux Falls, S.D (AP) —

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says her campaign has had no discussions with Barack Obama aides about her possibly becoming his vice presidential pick.

    Clinton calls such reports “flatly untrue,” in an interview Friday with the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board, adding that she is not planning any such discussions.

    Asked if her campaign had any discussions with the Obama campaign about her possibly bowing out in exchange for the vice president slot, Clinton said: “It is flatly untrue and it is not anything I’m entertaining. It is nothing I have planned and it is nothing I am prepared to engage in. I am still vigorously campaigning.”

  262. confloyd, I seriously doubt Axelrod is behind the VP talk, especially when you have a Clinton supporter like Dianne Feinstein pushing it and one of Hillary’s top fundraisers.

  263. Even if he gets the delegates now there is every chance his candidacy would collapse before the nomination in August.

  264. In the above mentioned Editorial Board review, Hillary was not shy

    in stating she is the strongest for a win with the Electoral College
    and that Bambi is er…lacking

    Every time I watch her speak, I am so proud to be a supporter

    She described herself as progressive and pragmatic.
    I will add she is brilliant

  265. Just got this email forwarded to me:

    We represent a group of African American women who will not vote for Obama. This is a no-brainer. We keep hearing experience is less important than change. Hillary epitomizes not just change but real tangible change. Because of her dedication and experience she has learned what works and what doesn’t in numerous areas of service. Some call her a liar (sometimes even worse) but what has she committed that disadvantage anyone. Oddly the ones who accuse her have really never met her. She is the change we need. We need a president who is intelligent, caring but also willing to fight for what they believe to be in the best interest of those they serve. We know where she comes from. Contrary to those who have met her they cannot stop praising her caring, listening and determination to bring about good resolutions.

    Obama frightens many of us. His overall Illinois senate performance record is not fully known due to lack of adequate paper trail for that time. We also have friends who lived in the district he represented and cannot believe how he has fooled people to believe that he cares about the welfare of his people. The slumlords and slum areas are still there and were no better when he was there. The same feelings of fear were the same we had when the current Bush was running for office the first and second time. Both times we were right to be fearful. Obama skills as an orator would be great for speaking to improve civil and human right issue, similar to the task that MLK took on. With the world in the shape it is today he is not ready for the highest position of the USA . Many of us feel he is a puppet in a much larger political scheme (we may be wrong, but don’t think so). His present and past accomplishments do not stand-out to be embellished. If Obama was applying for a position in the FBI and/or CIA, based on his past and present associates alone he would be disqualified. Someone really needs to take that seriously.

    Hillary’s accomplishments speak for themselves. I could go on and on about Hillary, but I hope we have hit the real stand-out issues of qualification in a world of turmoil. I will say this, if it is change one wants Hillary would be true change. A woman running things the way they should and need to be run….

    Under no circumstances will many of us vote for Obama and it is not just because we support Hillary it is because he is not qualified and to support him is to go along with the undemocratic process that has been exposed during these 2008 primaries. Many of us will vote for McCain, just not vote at all or vote for a third candidate if on the ballot, ie Nader. This is not emotional or revenge. We would not vote for him if he was the only one running. We cannot afford another inexperience individual as President of the USA .

    Cyn Washington
    CEW Enterprises
    Independent contractor

  266. Hillbilly: here is a superdelegate cut we need to be effective in our communications to them:

    Elected Officials Voting for Obama Who’s constituents voted for Clinton
    Robert Cramer – Alabama
    Gov. Janet Napalitano – Arizona
    George Miller – California
    Gerald McNerney – California – Obama Donation $5,000
    Fortney Pete Stark – California
    Zoe Lofgren – Cal.
    Howard Berman – Cal.
    Adam Schiff – Cal.
    Henry Waxman – Cal
    Linda Sanchez – Cal
    Joe Donnely – Indiana – Obama $7,500 Donation
    Baron Hill – Indiana – Obama $12,500 Donation
    Ben Chandler – Kentucky – wow Obama drew less than 10%
    Bill Delahunt – Massachussetts
    Gov. Deval Patrick Mass.
    Sen. Ted Kennedy Mass. – $10,000 from both candidates
    Sen. John Kerry – Mass.
    Gov. Bill Richardson – New Mexico
    Carol Shea-Porter – New Hampshire
    Gov. Brad Henry – Oklahoma
    Patrick Murphy – PA Donations from Clinton $2500 Obama $18,826
    Sen. Bob Casey – PA
    Patrick Kennedy – RI
    Charlie Gonzalez – Texas
    Eddie Johnson – Texas
    Rick Boucher – Virginia
    Nick Rahal – WV
    Sen. Robert Byrd –WV $10,000 from both candidates
    Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV – WV – Obama $5000 Donation

    Here’s some interesting one’s that are undeclared whose constituents voted for Clinton (please note the donations):
    Sam Farr – Cal.
    Jim Costa – Cal. – Obama Donation $5,000
    Bob Filner – Cal
    Joe Courtney – Connecticut – Obama $5,000 Donation
    Gov. Steve Beshear – Kentucky
    Rep. John Oliver – Massachussetts
    Rep. Niki Tsongas – Mass. – Obama $5,000 donation
    John Tierney – Mass.
    Ed Markey – Mass
    Travis Childers – Mississippi
    Sen. Frank Lautenberg – New Jersey – Obama $9,000
    Gov. John Lynch – New Hampshire
    Charlie Wilson – Ohio – Obama $7,000
    Marci Kaptur – Ohio
    Dennis Kucinich – Ohio
    Zack Space – Ohio – Obama $7500
    Sen. Sherrod Brown – Ohio $10,000 from both
    Dan Boren – Oklahoma
    Jason Altmire – PA – Obama $10,000
    Tim Holden – PA
    Gabriel Gifford – Arizona Obama Donation $9,000
    Michael Honda – California
    Sen. Jack Reed – RI – Obama $5,000
    Lincoln Davis – Tennessee
    Bart Gordon – Tennessee
    Gov. Phil Bredesen – Tenn.
    Nick Lampsen – Texas – Obama $5,000
    Alan Mollohan – WV
    Gov. Joe Manchin – WV

    There’s no doubt that the Obama money machine is in full force. We know for a fact that through the end of February, Obama had contributed more than $710,000 to the campaigns of Federally Elected Supers, while the Clinton campaign contributed $236,000. But this information is scarce as PAC’s tied to the Obama campaign have not updated their disclosures to the FEC since March. Just think about how much money has flowed from Obama’s coffers, and the coffer’s of his primary supporters and 527’s like Move On, since March.

    Obama’s campaign has suffered defeat after defeat since the end of February, he has consistently lost support among the very groups that make up the backbone of the electorate, yet Supers continue to flock to him.

    I’ll leave you today with just a couple thoughts:
    The RNC issued a press release yesterday pointing out Obama’s Hypocrisy on Lobbyists, check it out: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080521/pl_usnw/rnc__obama_s_lobbyist_hypocrisy

    For the large number of environmental voters of Oregon who propelled the “Messiah” to his win in your state: consider the fact that since launching his federal –level political career Exelon Corp. (an nuclear energy subsidiary of ComEd) has been a top contributor to Barrack Obama, including over $229,000 in this campaign.

    J Brown
    May 22, 2008

  267. From Politico (below).

    …I know what Hillary meant, but this was not the best comment she’s made on the campaign trail. It kind of implies that she’s only in it in case something as wildly tragic and totally unlikely as an assassination occurs. Oh well, glad to see they clarified it:

    May 23, 2008
    Categories: Hillary Clinton

    The rationale?

    In an interview with The Argus Leader editorial board in South Dakota, Hillary Clinton talked about staying in the race:

    My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it.

    A Clinton aide clarified the remarks to The New York Times. The Times reported that “she was simply using the Kennedy assassination as a benchmark to underscore that nomination fights can go a long time and that she was in no way implying anything else.”

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded, “Senator Clinton’s statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.”

  268. BV, I knew what she meant, too, but it clearly wasn’t worded the best way.

    BTW, here’s Larry Johnson’s latest on the MO tape:


  269. The Bobby Kennedy comment has nothing to do with nothing other than to fix a date in time. She is in many ways the successor to RFK and I am sure he is much in her thoughts in this election process. Like Bobby, Hillary is fighting for the American people as opposed to some cabal of elites–like Obama and Bush. Comments like those of Burthon have no place in this campaign. And neither for that matter does Obama.

  270. Hey wb: I agree. Let’s not forget that Bobby Jr., and some of his siblings have endorsed Hillary. It’s about reminding all of us that political elections are complex systems and events – large and small – are always happening that can affect a campaign.

  271. Oh for crying out loud, why can’t she make a simple statement of historical fact without people screaming about it?

  272. Hillary’s statement just posted on her Web site:

    Hillary Clinton issued the following statement today in Brandon, SD:

    “Earlier today I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That’s a historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family.”

  273. Ok, now this is the kind of ‘snow job’ those of us who will not support Obama under any circumstances need to be on the lookout for:

    I have just received in the mail (snail mail) a full DNC survey, complete with a statement from Hillary talking about unity, …

    It says that I have been chosen to represent my area, blah, blah. It says the material is time sensitive, and it asks my opinion about strategy questions, etc.

    Howard, Barack, Deval Daddy, Zbigniew, etc.:

    This isn’t the Ukraine, I’m not an Orange Revolutionary, and I’m not playing games.

    Zbigniew — I know you think you’re slick, and that you and the Trilaterals have everything gamed out.

    Wrong. Better go back to your chessboard.

    You don’t co-opt people like me with parlor tricks like this. Unlike those like Jon Singer on MyDD, I’m not looking to ride your guys’ coattails. I’m not looking to get on the radio, or score my own TV show. Singer needs you; Kos needs you; Marshall needs you. I don’t, and neither do millions of other honest, hard-working Dems.

    That is, I — and millions of other Dems — can’t and won’t be bought.

    You’d love to ‘turn’ someone like me, I know.

    No sale.

    I also know you guys have your eyes on me, just as you do with Big Pink, No Quarter, etc. Telling me I was picked to represent my area is a cute way of letting me know you’re watching me.

    I know about the FEC gambit with me and my site. I know about the Rezko-linked Chicago law firms scoping out my site. Same with the Boston Brahmans. I know what you guys are up to, and the longer you keep this up, the better the chance that I’m going to nail you when you slip.

    So, please, keep going.

    This isn’t a game to us, the majority of the party who supports Hillary. We are terrified of having Barack anywhere near the White House and the national security apparatus. We don’t want Michelle — a fervent anti-American — as First Lady. We don’t want the USA as part of Zbigniew’s Trilateral Commission, One World Government umbrella.

    Zbigniew, we are not all as dumb as your daughter. Some of us caught onto the game and who’s running the show a long time ago. You are not fooling anybody, and we will work until the day Barack is defeated to make sure the message gets out to the electorate. And that includes with the GOP, as necessary.

    Here are some keywords that need further investigaion as concerns Bambi and the sh*t he’s involved with:

    Chicago Council on Global Affairs (Mish on board)
    Hottie Obomba

    Yeah, look into those things.

    Bambians: We know, we know so much more than you wish we did. And when the time is right, all the dots are going to be connected.

    You can send me as many surveys as you want, Howard. And you, Davey, can push as many astroturfer infiltrators my way as you want. It doesn’t matter.

    Howard: You and the rest of the DNC better correct this thing before it wrecks irrevocably and not only is the party destroyed, but any thoughts you had of being able to reshape things after your own doomed run are ruined because you’re out of the power structure.

    The fundamental mistake you Bambians are making is in thinking that we, your opposition, things like and is motivated in the same way you are. That is why you came and hoped to bust me on an FEC violation, because having people on the payroll is something you are used to doing. So you think everyone else is doing it, too.

    Howard, you are the true disappointment here. We know Ziggy, Deval Daddy and Bambi are self-interested, but what is your excuse? How the F*CK could you let the party do what it’s doing to both the Clintons and to the registered Dem voters you and GodBrazila are looking to over-rule?

    That is why you, Brazile, Kerry, Biden, Richardson, Edwards, etc. are losers, and the Clintons are winners. You never turn your back on a winner, particularly when the alternate choice is a guy who is the presumptive nominee getting his ass kicked by 40 and 35 points in states his cultists are doing more damage in by calling them ‘racists.’


    If my party and the DNC chooses to screw over FL & MI, out-rule the popular vote to make Bambi “Bush 2000 II,” and out-rule the will of a majority of registered Dem votes, then you are no longer representing me. You have declared war on myself and my fellow Dems in order to appease the ‘Iran’ of AA’s and Clinton-hating elites.

    And I will respond accordingly.

    As will the millions and millions of other REAL Dems who feel the same way.

    End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO!” to Obama

    Paul F. Villarreal

  274. Yep, LA Times will release a new poll today, showing that McCain can beat Obama in California:

    Can John McCain carry California? Consult a new poll later today

    John McCain has been offering springtime promises that a Republican presidential ticket headed by him can make California — and its huge cache of 55 electoral votes — competitive in November.

    Such pledges by previous GOP standard-bearers have proved patently false in recent elections. But might McCain — with his maverick persona, Western roots and potential appeal to Latinos — be the exception to the rule?

    A new L.A. Times/KTLA poll tested the proposition in McCain matchups with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. And in at least one of the scenarios, the results may surprise many folks.

    We aren’t at liberty to reveal the exact results yet; for that, check out our homepage (latimes.com) about 5 p.m. EDT today (2 p.m. PDT).

    Some perspective…

    The last Republican to win the state in a White House race was George H.W. Bush in 1988; he defeated Michael Dukakis, 51%-48%.

    Bill Clinton won it in 1992 with 46%; Bush got 33% and Ross Perot 21%. Clinton triumphed handily again in 1996, with 51% of the vote to Bob Dole’s 38%.

    In 2000, Al Gore beat George W. Bush, 53%-42%. And four years ago, John Kerry kept the state securely in the Democratic column, getting 54% of the vote to Bush’s 44%.

    The odds, clearly, should be against McCain.

    — Don Frederick

  275. His over reactions about everything are getting rediculous. It sure does not make him look like a STRONG LEADER. I makes him look like an insecure person lashing out at eveything.

    McCain’s wife was hit hard about her drugs, and she did not wimper.


  276. Cnn is now on my boycott list.Cafferty is a joke He makes sure that every broadcast has some anti Hillary references.The web site has his name on it,He asks the questions that encourages responses from people that are anti hillary and then e gets to choose the most hateful ones to attack her.Most of them seem to have the Oabama hate theme.Very seldom does he mention the Chosen One’s name.Wolfe,is a cool and calm Hatemonger that always has the interests of Israel at heart.The MSM has now become a disgrace to journalism and and in reality a threat to our election process.How can Americans sit back and allow these despicable scum bags do this to Hillary and to all of us that support he.HILLARY,please do not even think of being on the same ticket with Obama.He will need you when the MO tape is put out there and the REZKO story sees the light of day and Obama is exposed as a Liar and a Fraud.I hope he is indicted.

    Hang in there Hill we need you without him.

    By ABM90 This is a sad chapter in our history.

  277. I guess we need someone in the media to publish a list of the things we’re not allowed to talk about.

  278. ]Google— recreate68 and see what the cult is threatening to do if their medicine man does not get the Presidency.This is tough stuff and the FBI should be alerted to this site and take appropriate action.This is not the way to equal rights.It is the path of Anarchy.MLK would be outraged at these threats.

    By ABM90

  279. I would not accept Obama/Clinton. I’d vote McCain. I might accept Clinton/Obama.

    Clinton as VP would be sacrificing herself to keep that idiot afloat. If she got him the Presidency then she’s be tied up with him for 8 years. Then she’d be 68 and past her prime age, and Bill’s health might be so far down we wouldn’t have the team.

  280. THANK YOU for this website!!!!!!!!!!!!!Many people have been asking me all along how I will vote if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination.

    I will wait for Hillary’s leadership on this subject but I promise you all that the hideous bahavior of the pundits, the media, Obama’s people, will not be forgotten by me, nor unaddressed by women now and to come….

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