Voting For Barack Obama, Part III

An amazing thing happened last night.

No, it was not Hillary, once again, demonstrating that Barack Obama is unelectable.

It was not Hillary demonstrating that even though outspent in Kentucky by more than 2-1 she still beat Obama by more than a 35 percent margin (outspent in West Virginia as well, Hillary still beat unelectable Obama by more than 40 percent).

It was not Hillary announcing the second best fundraising month in April.

It was not the fact of Hillary adding to her popular vote total making her the people’s candidate with a majority of the popular vote. By contrast Barack Obama has to demand the subtraction of this state and that state and ignoring that commonwealth in order to arrive at the absurd conclusion that he wins the popular vote. It’s Barack Math – subtract states you lost in order to come up with a winning margin.

It was not that exit polls demonstrate that 62 percent of voters in Oregon, even Obama supporters, want the race to continue. These margins are similar to national polls and state polls which prove the people are rejecting Big Media schemes to protect unelectable Obama. The people, even Obama supporters, know something is wrong with Obama, they can’t quite put their finger on it but people know there’s something wrong with Obama.

It was not the fact that Hillary once again won the white working class vote in both Kentucky and Oregon.

(Obama supporter, Missouri Senator Clair McCaskill, continued the trashing of white working class voters begun by Obama shills Axelrod and Brazile when McCaskill said We don’t have to win Kentucky. McCaskill was speaking about Obama losing Kentucky in November. No Democrats has won the White House without winning Kentucky since 1964. McCaskill knows Obama is unelectable in Kentucky and Appalachia especially with Kentucky exit polls showing “only a third of Clinton voters would vote for Obama in the fall.” Missouri Senator Clair McCaskill should also note that today the latest Missouri poll shows Obama losing to McCain in her home state too while Hillary beats McCain.)

The big news from last night was a SurveyUSA poll which showed Hillary beating John McCain (49% – 43%) in North Carolina but Barack Obama losing to John McCain (43% to 51%)

With so many major events why do we consider the North Carolina poll results the big story from last night? The answer is that the North Carolina poll relates directly to why Obama is unelectable as explored in our Voting For Barack Obama series.

First, let’s recall the Obama campaign argument from January 2007. Obama argued that he would change the map – bringing in states that Democrats could not win without him. Obama promised he would win in states like North Carolina and Georgia thereby “expanding the map”. Obama also argued that he would not settle for a mere 51% victory.

Obama’s entire premise of being a “uniter” was that massive victories in both red and blue states (contradicting himself because Obama also argues that there are no “red states or blue states just the United States”), would lead to a new governing philosophy of cooperation.

Obama’s corollary premise was that he could “reach across the aisle” to bring everyone together because he would be so popular that all legislators would recognize his charms and thereby issues that appeared impossible to resolve would be resolved in messianic fervor.

Obviously all the Obama theories are gone now.

Obama will not be expanding the map. The most Obama can do is change the map. Obama will trade states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Kentucky and West Virginia for illusory victories in states with little electoral vote value.

What does this all mean?

The Obama campaign and Obama incense burners are making 2 arguments for voting for Obama this November:

  • The first argument is a call for party unity.
  • The second argument is that too many issues are at stake (Iraq, healthcare, the economy, the Supreme Court, etc.) for Democrats and Hillary supporters to abandon the Democratic Party in November.
  • The first argument is irrelevant. Demands for “Unity” are another way to say “Shut Up!”.

    We won’t shut up. Good Democrats will not shut up. We will continue to make our points and take our case to the American people. Hillary supporters will continue to fight for the voting rights, the civil rights of Florida and Michigan voters. We will keep working and keep fighting.

    The second point however is very serious. It is a point we will address – issue by issue – in this series Voting For Barack Obama.

    Healthcare, Iraq, the economy, gay rights, women’s rights, abortion rights, several Supreme Court appointments, tax policy all are important issues. That’s why we support Hillary Clinton. We know Hillary is the one we can trust to know not only what the right thing to do is but to have the ability to enact her policies.

    Hillary supporters care about the issues which is why we support Hillary Clinton. We also know that any objective analysis shows Obama is unelectable. Obama cannot win the big Democratic states such as Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio – nor swing states such as Kentucky and West Virginia.

    If Obama supporters really cared about the issues, they would abandon their support of unelectable Obama and support Hillary.

    So in the weeks and months to come when Obama supporters approach Hillary supporters with pleas for party “unity” and with pleas regarding the issues, Hillary supporters need to respond: If you really care about the issues support the only candidate who can win: Hillary Clinton.

    [No Democrat should abandon the Democratic Party in November without giving serious thought to the consequences. Any Democrat that proposes DEMOCRATS GO ON STRIKE this November must explain why. The issues are important and serious. In subsequent days we will examine, issue by issue, why Hillary can be trusted on the issues and Obama cannot be trusted on the issues. We will examine the proposal that an Obama nomination will force good DEMOCRATS TO GO ON STRIKE. We will also excise most critical comments about Senator Ted Kennedy out of respect and due to his medical situation.]


    217 thoughts on “Voting For Barack Obama, Part III

    1. DNC Rules Committee
      Deciding Fl and MI’s fate:
      Co-Chairs – no endorsement Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. ) James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )

      Members – Clinton supporters (13)
      Hartina Flournay (DC)
      Donald Fowler (SC)
      Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
      Alice Huffman (CA)
      Ben Johnson (DC)
      Elaine Kamarck (MA)
      Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
      Mona Pasquil (CA)
      Mame Reiley (VA)
      Garry Shay (CA)
      Elizabeth Smith (DC)
      Michael Steed (MD)
      Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)

      Members – Obama supporters (8)
      Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
      Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
      Janice Griffin (MD)
      Thomas Hynes (IL)
      Allan Katz (FL)
      Sharon Stroschein (SD)
      Sarah Swisher (IA)
      Everett Ward (NC)

      Members – no known endorsement (7)
      Donna Brazille (DC)
      Mark Brewer (MI)
      Ralph Dawson (NY)
      Yvonne Gates ( NV)
      Alice Germond (DC) – DNC Secretary
      David McDonald (WA)
      Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)

    2. I can’t believe that ANY self-respecting woman is thinking about sticking with a political party (actually, it’s no party) that takes their participation, support and votes for granted. We deserve what we get. DON’T let them take you for granted!

      PS – And, the idea that “Scotch-Irish” Mountaineers are going to flock over to the elite, latte-sipping, bribe-taking, America-hating, terrorist-befriending, uber-liberal Senator O’Stinky is laughable! Can you say, “President McCain?”

      PPS – I bet he thinks putting Sen. Webb on the ticket is a way to win Appalachia. That won’t work any better than Lieberman in Florida or Edwards in Kentucky. And, Hillary is ahead of McCain in Edwards’ home state.


    3. first? again??? yipeee.

      Admin- You speak the truth!

      “That’s why we support Hillary Clinton. We know Hillary is the one we can trust to know not only what the right thing to do is but to have the ability to enact her policies. ”

      Many of us who are in the BO demographic like myself- liberal, latte drinking, well off, and over educated dont support him because it doesn’t take much to look though the false hopes, empty promises and lack of judgement and experience to realize this guy is trully an opportunist- and he is really good at it.

      Hillary Clinton speaks for me because Hillary Clinton speaks to me. She explains her positions. She explains her policies. She defends herself intelligently, even on those policies that I dont agree with. Its almost like she is too good. But she is not. She is a gift to America.

      Obama asks only that I believe in Change. What? Did my brain melt away or something? No cult of personality for me, no thank you.

    4. We’ll write about the Florida and Michigan fight tomorrow.

      Here’s Hillary in Boca Raton, Florida today:

      “I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country.”

      We carry on this cause for a simple reason…because we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people…nothing more, nothing less.

      We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today just as we believed it back in 2000, when right here in Florida, you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner.

      The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear: If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people isn’t realized and our democracy is diminished.

    5. Informed in Illinois – you are right. Self-respect is important too.

      BTW, check out Hillary in the video above. This is a woman who respects herself and the voters of Florida and Michigan.

    6. Sorry, my post was from last thread. Didn’t know it would be first!

      Great post, Admin! Can’t wait for the next parts. In the meantime, I will practice this each day and say it to anyone who will listen, “If you really care about the issues support the only candidate who can win: Hillary Clinton.”

    7. Could someone verify Barack’s Bad Math? Yesterday, CNN was pushing the party line that 1,627 was the magic number of “pledged delegates”, that no matter what, Hillary can’t get ahead of him.

      Does this include MI? Does this include FL? If I had to bet $100, I would say, NO. Obama/DNC/MSM are all doing whatever math is convenient to spin the storyline that “Obama is winning”, “Obama has momentum”, “Obama has crossed the threshold”. Yadda yadda.

      Never mind the fact that this is a silly argument, that he will not be able to get enought “committed” delegates to avoid a floor fight in August…and that this latest Sign of Victory now includes SDs in the “pledged” delegate category, whereas back in February, the SDs were consigned to a back seat when Hillary was ahead on that count.

      If they think Hillary and her supporters are just going to roll over without a fight, they’ll find out otherwise.

    8. There was discussion with Obama’s peers in the Senate. They said he had great relationships with people from all cultures. However, they said if there was controversy, he did not appear to be able to work through those issues

      When you unit people, you have to work through the issues. He did not do that in his short Senate Career, he did not do it in OH, PA, TX, IN, and he even ignored the people in WV and KY.

      He only wants to play in the sand box when he owns the toys, and everyone does exactly what he says. (Sounds like Bush). However, uniting others who might not like him to join him in the Sand Box does not seem to be something he can do.

      American DD (Dumb Delegates) need to start listening to all the polls, not just the ones that support their pre determined position.

      If might be very well fatal to the Party.

    9. Admin, how can we get the full video of that speech? Those bums at MSNBC cut it as she was trying to make an important point.

    10. “Each vote is a prayer.” So true!

      My prayer: that Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

    11. pm, I always run to C-SPAN. Check on their site. If not today, maybe tomorrow it’ll be posted.

    12. admin: Another GREAT post.

      Informed: I totally agree. To be quite honest, I don’t understand women, who can support waffles and the democratic party, after the blatant misogyny, sexism, put-downs, name calling, the media bias, the disenfranchisement over 2 million people etc. It is mind boggling. I don’t like being taken for granted, and will take my vote elsewhere; that is my power and self-respect. The campaign tactics of Waffles and Co., remind me of an abusive relationship. I don’t return, to be abused a second time.

    13. Admin: great post, I will say it over and over, if your really concerned about the issues, you should be behind Hillary!

    14. birdgal-

      I dont understan MEN who support waffles. or women. or elderly. or children. or anyone for that matter. What gives?

      Barack Obama is all sizzle and no steak.

    15. I agree about it appears that people just accept a certain amount of abuse.

      I am a little older, and I can tell you there were things that I use to keep my mouth shut about, and some I did not.

      Now I don’t keep my mouth shut about anything. I figure I only have so much time left to get it out, and It might as well be now. SO I AM MAD AS HELL, AND I WILL VOTE FOR MC CAIN.

      One of these days, some of the women will figure out that they played the game, and that the male dominated group they got along with, sold them down the river time and time again.

      They will then somewhat know how Sentor Clinton must feel.

    16. COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says an Ohio superdelegate has agreed to support her campaign. Craig Bashein, an attorney from Hunting Valley in northeast Ohio, says he will vote for Clinton at the Democrats’ nominating convention this summer.

    17. Admin, when this race is over, and hillary is the president, I think you will have played an important role in allowing that to happen. You have been here every day sketching out the arguments and supplying the research data and the links to make your case. And you have been right over and over and over again.

      My hats off to you. I think we will see people parroting your efforts in all the important races that follow, though I doubt many of them will do it with the vision and the tenacity that you have.

      I’m broke this year so we haven’t sent you any money. And I know you’d prefer that I send what I have to Hillary. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you’ve done here. I do believe you have helped keep the course of this election on track and all of your efforts will pay off.


    18. “You did not break a single rule and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control”.

      Hillary Clinton, May 21st, 2008

    19. This is the perfect blog to announce our new petition, just started on the front page of

      Please take a second to sign it if you can…we will be sending it to the DNC and it will be visible to the SD’s that are being directed to our website.

      We are mad as hell and were not going to take it anymore!

    20. “Each vote you cast is a prayer for our nation”.

      Hillary Clinton, May 21st, 2008

      This brilliant, good person MUST be 44!

    21. birdgal-

      I dont understan MEN who support waffles. or women. or elderly. or children. or anyone for that matter. What gives?

      Barack Obama is all sizzle and no steak.

      Or, as is said in TX, “All Hat and No Cattle.” I think, this is the saying.

      Ronald: I don’t why, ANYONE is supporting such an empty suit, a charlatan, a fraud, a narcissitic, and as time goes on, I think he may be a sociopath.

    22. Hillary Clinton speaks for me. She will not be silenced and neither will I.

      I will use my vote to express myself in November.

      I will be heard. I am voter. Hear me ROAR

    23. I have a friend, well an associate, who is an Obamania fool. He says, for the first time in his life (he is 43) are you ready… he feels like he is part of a movement.

      me: well I just had a bowel movement myself. Grow up. try therapy.

    24. I am in a totally bad mood, that nasty Dr. hit me with a sexiest statement about hillary when I walked in the door and now the sob is ordering bs stuff right and left. I will be so happy the day I can retire (if ever) I tell the idiots what I think of them!

    25. rgb44hrc,

      From the AP account I read it stated he would need 64 additional delegates to get the 2,026 delegates currently needed for the nomination. I don’t know for sure what the # would be when a deal is reached on MI/FL. But a poster on TM had an article from Chuck Todd about how seating FL/MI would affect the nomination. I don’t have the link though.

    26. As for predicting November defections, I see two factors:

      How many people (from both factions) are feared to defect?

      How do we tell how serious they are — will they really do it in November?

      How can we guage now how serious a person is, when they might cool off (or be scared off) by November?

    27. Neither Hillary, nor Ronald, nor I, nor anyone here will be silenced! Neither will SEVENTEEN MILLION Americans who voted for Hillary. Hillary speaks for me.

    28. Ronald,
      You still on? Joined the NE Finance committee meeting this evening. PR coordinator was on. Seem to be feeling pretty confidant that Presumptive Popular Winner, HRC, will have a big night.

    29. If I were a superdelegate I would support Clinton with enthusiasm and conviction because she has the qualifications to be our greatest president and is ready to lead on day one and represents the people of this country as opposed to a cabal of elites, and will beat McCain in November, and will help down ticket candidates win in key districts and I want this to remain the party of centrist democrats who represent the progressive values and views of working people- yes that is what I would do if it were me.

    30. you guys will not believe the official T-Shirt CNN is pimping.

      http: / /

      This is not a parody. This from an actual news organization.

    31. Sometimes all these women gathering together to fight for our rights remind me of union organizing. We are like a hillary’s union of women!! 🙂

    32. I love the fact that Hillary has the CLEAR moral high ground and that Obama has to resort to disenfranchising swing state voters in order to try and win. I’ll take our position any day of the week.

    33. Notice how Barack supporters boos when he speaks of Hillary. No Class

      I will never vote for him. Never Ever

    34. More phoney math which confuses pledged delegates with superdelegates who cannot vote until august.

    35. CNN is acting like Jack Cafferty… they flaunt their bias and dares anyone to call them out on it.

      Can a news organization print those T-shirts which accuses thousands of pro-Hillary people of racism? Aren’t these some of the accused their own viewers?

    36. I will not only NOT vote for him, I will work actively for his defeat… that if not HRC 2008, it will be HRC 2012. Signed up the McCain web site and now getting their emails…, fun, fun.

      My Friends,
      Last week, Senator Obama made a few comments I would like to respond to. Senator Obama claimed that all John McCain has to offer is a naive and irresponsible belief that tough talk would cause Iran to give up their nuclear program. He should have known better.

      I have some news for Senator Obama: Simply talking, even with soaring rhetoric, will not convince Iran to give up its nuclear program. And for the president of the United States to sit down for an unconditional, face-to-face meeting with the leader of Iran is simply reckless.

      John McCain has made it very clear that we will not negotiate with terrorist organizations. By conducting a presidential meeting with the leader of Iran – the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism – as Senator Obama wants to do, we would legitimize a regime that is dedicated to the extinction of Israel and is responsible for the death of brave young Americans.

      And it doesn’t stop with Iran. Barack Obama has said he would sit down, unconditionally, with the leaders of oppressive regimes around the world. Today, as many celebrate Cuban Independence Day, we are reminded how the Cuban people continue to live under tyranny on that imprisoned island. The Castro regime, for decades under Fidel and now under his brother Raul, enforces strict limits against freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement and speech. This regime led by Raul oppresses its people and regularly flaunts its hatred of the United States. Yet, Barack Obama said he would sit down, unconditionally, with Raul Castro.

      It would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world without enemies. But that’s not the world in which we live, and until Senator Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has the strength, judgment and determination to keep us safe.

      That doubt is also manifested in Senator Obama’s position on the war in Iraq, a topic on the mind of every American.

      Senator Obama has said that if elected he will withdraw American troops from Iraq quickly, regardless of the situation on the ground and no matter what U.S. military commanders advise. Frankly, his position is irresponsible and again raises questions to his judgment and preparedness to be commander in chief.

      If we withdraw prematurely from Iraq, Al Qaeda in Iraq will survive, claim victory and continue to provoke sectarian tensions. Iraq could easily descend into genocide and destabilize the entire region as neighboring powers come to the aid of various factions.

      A reckless and premature withdrawal would be a terrible defeat for our security interests and our values. Iran – the world’s chief state supporter of terrorism, a country with nuclear ambitions and a regime with the stated desire to destroy the state of Israel – will view our withdrawal as a victory and will see its influence in the Middle East grow significantly. The consequences of our defeat will threaten us for years.

      Those who argue for premature withdrawal, as Senator Obama and Senator Clinton do, are arguing for a course that will eventually draw us into a wider and more difficult war that will entail far greater dangers and consequences for years to come.

      John McCain believes we need change in America, but not the kind of change that wins kind words from Hamas, surrenders in Iraq, or will hold unconditional talks with Iranian president Ahmadinejad.

      Thank you,

    37. Is there any legal recourse about the T-shirts, since they are coming from a “news” network. If they think, this is a way to woo voters, they are sorely mistaken.

    38. filbertsf, can you link a pic, I can’t get to it from work. Your saying it has on it something about us being racist.
      What about being called a hillbilly, whats that?

    39. confloyd, the official CNN T-Shirts, which comes in blk, white, and gray says “Clinton urged to reject votes of racists”

      It even has the CNN logo on it.

    40. Sorry the link doesn’t work, but the t-shirt says, “Clinton urged to reject votes of racists”) on it.

    41. Basil19 posted this WILLIE COLÓN video for Hillary in the previous article. Maybe someone can translate the lyrics for us.

    42. WOW….I don’t even know what to say. There has to be something legal that can be done. This is a fucking news organization for goodness sakes. I can’t take this anymore. MSM is not going to pick my president like they did in 2000.

    43. I apologize for anyone I might offend with this statement. There is no other way to put it, it’s that despicable. CNN is fucked up.

    44. I will NEVER, EVER watch CNN again. That is a promise. I haven’t watched them, since Feb., so it not be difficult to do.


    45. So CNN is saying the people that voted for Hillary are racists? I have never been called racist in my life before I voted for Hillary. What is this bullshit? I am just so spitting mad right now. Where is their journalistic intergrity? I have taken everything the media has thrown at Hillary but this is it. There is no way in fucking hell now that I will ever vote for Obama even if Hillary begs me too. FUCK THAT. I am mad as hell and I am not taking it anymore.

    46. Apparently the Obama camp wants Hillary to reject the votes of racists, someone on TM said.

      What bullshit. Who the hell does he think he is?

    47. rgb44hrc:

      I’m trying to answer your question from last post but I cannot get the post to go up, and I have tried like 5 times. Maybe I can send the info to you via email or something?

      Admin: GREAT POST. The North Carolina numbers are devastating for Bambi.

    48. reject the votes of racists, then bambi can start rejecting the votes of the 92% of AA’s he’s been getting then.

    49. this is beyond, ridiculous. If this is a new tactic to woo Clinton supporters into the fold, they have made a big mistake.

    50. Admin:

      Fantastic post. The North Carolina stuff is the key.

      Not only is Barack’s NC primary win totally taken away and put into the context that it should be (that is, there are not enough latte liberals and AA’s to carry the state for him as we’ve all been saying for some time now), it shows that the person looking to ‘open up’ red southern states is Hillary Clinton.

      The lie is being put to the bogus claims being made by Team Obama as regards electoral voting issues.

      At the same time, the door is being shut in Obama’s face in states like WV, KY, …



      The person whom I let my guard down to was the poster (Obama plant) here who called herself “Hallow.”

      She sent me a series of communications on my My Space account. They were suspicious and probing, but in one of them she told me she had issues with bipolar disorder, so I felt like maybe I could reach out to her.

      As I mention in my 2nd video where I am talking about Clinton and Obama to the camera, I have suffered with clinical anxiety issues (PTSD/OCD) for around 20 years. As the video shows, I’m not trying to hide that from anyone.

      Anyways, to make a long story short, I reached out to her on these points after she told me she has bipolar disorder. I was trying to be human with someone whom I felt could benefit from it.

      I found out later that she had went and posted the information, apparently verbatim, in a forum at Something Awful. She wrote me later last night to tell me that, yes, she was indeed a plant and she felt bad about what she did. I wrote her something in response but never sent it. Maybe I will sometime.

      As the shadow site for Big Pink has shown, and as what happened to me reinforced, we are dealing with outright fascists, dirtbags and don’t-give-a-f*cks on the other side of the Democratic Maginot Line. They will do anything — absolutely anything — to try to get Bambi nominated and elected. Calling people racists, posting peoples pics and trying to get them fired, making death threats, ripping down Hillary Clinton signs anywhere they can find them, luring people in as supposed friends and then seeking to humiliate them publicly. They don’t care; they will do anything. These people would make Rove cringe.

      Total War

      Now, I had a hint that this was “Hallow’s” intent, so I was careful to answer certain of her questions and avoid others.

      One of the things I have been consistently advocating here is to allow the Bambi Brigades to bury themselves through their actions. Let Keith Boykins call WV and KY racist states, like he does here:

      Let Tweety be a sexist pig. Let CNN and MSNBC set themselves up to be parodied by Saturday Night Live.

      And let the Secret Police astroturfers (someone asked what this means — it just refers to the paid ‘net drones Bambi and Axe are using for this campaign) like Hallow go out and show the nation how vicious and unethical they are. Sometimes you just kind of help these things along, you know?


      (con’t next post)

    51. moononpluto Says:

      May 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pm
      reject the votes of racists, then bambi can start rejecting the votes of the 92% of AA’s he’s been getting then.

      Remember that NC AA woman I posted about? Well, I asked her why she’s voting for BO and she said “Because he’s Black.”

      I swear to God that was her answer.

    52. Cnn should be charged with trying to incite a riot. I believe that is against the law? Am I right?

    53. he just threw the entire white population under the bus now. So anyone who voted for Hillary is a racist now. Christ talk about making the racist vote really come out for her now.

      Is’nt just a total asswipe thing to say going into a Primary as huge as puerto rico or especially Montana or S.Dakota. Obama’s past the point where you cannot say anything about an AA without being called racist with him.

    54. birdgal, I agree; I have no idea what his campaign is thinking. Insulting her voters is so stupid it’s beyond comprehension.

    55. I need some help.
      the bar up the street from me is ditching all of thier tvs and going hi def.
      Friday the owner is putting all tvs out for trash. two are huge but he c annot give them away. I have spent the afternoon trying to find anyone that would take them for free,. And i come up empty. i am sure that they could be put to use somewhere.

    56. There’s a Pro-Hillary group trying to organize a protest on May 1st. They’re inviting everyone around the country to join them in D.C.

      Anyone planning to attend?

    57. MoonPluto:


      If anyone needs to be rejecting race-based votes, it is Bambi

      Friends, we are winning now. That CNN is getting this desperate shows where we are at.

      Bambi is imploding, and this CNN stunt flat-out putting down Americans is only going to hasten his demise.

      One last death throe of the the Bambi Race Card.

      Ha ha ha.

      They are in a full panic now. They know she’s going to win the popular vote and that she has a very good chance of taking the nomination. And ALL their asses are on the line — Cafferty, Brown, Martin, Simmons, the people that f_cked over Lanny Davis, Cooper, etc.

      They are totally losing it.

      Love it. We are on the verge of our victory. Keep donating, keep calling, keep working. And keep pointing out CNN’s idiocy and the idiocy of things like this “You’re all racist voters” nonsense:

      There are no hand-holds left for these people; they are grasping at air and they are destroying themselves and Bambi as they flail about.

      For any of you familiar with the video game Mortal Kombat, we have reached that part of the round where the narrator gives this instruction to us:

      “Finish Him!”

      Paul F. Villarreal

    58. DNC not only f**ked up FL and MI, the weight of delegates in caucus states is also a travesty.

      I feel no loyalty to the dumpocratic party at this point. No, I will not vote for a candidate that does not deserve my vote, who is unqualified, who supports sexism through apathy or insinuation. I will not pay homage to an arrogant man or his ungrateful wife. I will not honor them if they occupy the white house. (can you imagine the redecorating MO will do?) I will not vote for any delegate or superdelegate that endorsed them.

      I will take my lickings on important issues because I will not vote for Barack Hussein Obama

    59. Ooh, how about you selling them online or whatever and using the proceeds to donate to the HRC campaign?

    60. BTW, it’s all because of that exit poll in KY that showed 20 percent of voters there said race was a factor. But they didn’t all vote for Hillary. And notice they didn’t ask if gender was a factor.

    61. [Continued from above post which said ‘continued next post;’ note: my last post doesn’t relate to this or the previous post at all]

      One of the best ways to multiply your own forces is to use your opponent to fight against himself.

      People like Keith Boykins, Roland Martin, Chris Matthews, and Hallow do this — on a daily basis — for us. And they don’t have the ability to stop themselves, which makes it all the more delicious and damaging.

      Napoleon said you don’t interrupt a self-destructing enemy. Great point.

      Sometimes, even, you hand them another lit fuse.


      There is another very important development that happened today:

      David Axelrod went on Clueless Norris’ NPR program and essentially begged Hillary to make a deal on MI & FL.

      Dave, two words:

      F*CK NO.

      Ok, now why is Axe doing this and what does this mean.

      1. It is beginning to hit home, very hard, that Obama is bleeding Dem votes that will not be returning in the fall if he is nominated. Bambi’s crew is starting to panic in earnest about this, and rightfully so. They are, right now as I type this, in the midst of losing the November election if Bambi is elected. KY slammed that message home again last night to the tune of a 250K vote loss.

      2. This relates to Axe’s whining today because he — and the DNC — is terrified of how many more Democratic votes they are going to lose when and if GodBrazila and her goons f*ck over FL and MI in front of the entire world. Yes, they can ram things through (and they are hell-bent on doing so), but Axe and the rest of the biotches are now sobering up to the realization that the more they go Al Capone with this, the smaller their chances are going to be if Bambi gets to November.

      In other words, the “bluster” sh*t is gone. We are now seeing Bambi’s Crew reduced to straight-out begging for mercy because for all their fake 75K crowds and bullsh*t IA parties, we have them by the balls.

      And they know it. The smarter ones, anyways.

      Here’s what they have left to try to stop HRC’s momentum and things going to the convention:

      South Dakota

      Leverage is gone; loads have been shot.

      They are standing there, punchdrunk, about ready to fall.

      Think HRC and we are going to help them now?

      Ha ha ha.

      I can’t wait for the 31st. And the 1st. And the popular vote victory.

      Armageddon is thisclose from starting. And when it does, all of the bluster, arrogant @ssholishness and complete d*ckheaddom that we have seen from their side is going to evaporate like an icecube in the desert.

      Deval Patrick’s Daddy’s begging today is stage 1.

      Plenty more will be coming soon.

      Hillary isn’t budging. Now is when she gets to really punish Bambi and that is exactly what she — and we — are going to do, while Axe and his Stalinists flop about like fishes out of water.

      Unleash Hell.

      Paul F. Villarreal

    62. Henry, try the local childrens homes or elderly homes or homeless shelters, they can use them for entertainment.

    63. Admin: I tried to post the second post to follow that “continued next post” one. I know you had to manually post the last one. If you have the chance to do the same with the second one — when you have time — I would really appreciate it. If something about the formatting is wrong, no worries.

      Paul 🙂

    64. Sorry but i think its all time to say it, if that man is the nominee, i do not care, party or not, that man is too dangerous to be let near the WH.

    65. the CNN T shirt is a scam

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    66. Paula, I don’t think they had any business asking that question at all. If BO is suppose to transcend race and party line, isn’t his race a moot point?

    67. Moonpluto:

      Agreed. By himself, he is a security risk.

      You add in figures close to him like Ayers, Wright, Odinga, Rezko (and Auchi) and others and we are talking major danger.

      Paul F. Villarreal

    68. For those who want to fight guerilla warfare, this stop obama site is for you.


      Jeff Gold
      Clinton in August, or Lose in November
      Posted at 2:28 pm under Uncategorized

      Gregory may have been off on the margins, but he hit it straight with the 150,000 popular vote. Cumulatively, Clinton won 700,000 votes of yesterday’s 1,254,000 total, with Obama netting 553,000. That’s equivalent to winning one North Carolina by 16%. Clinton has won the popular in this Primary, regardless of the margin of her Puerto Rico win.

      No one in the media looks bothered. What popular vote? Florida and Michigan don’t count. The Democratic party recognizes only 48 states of the Union. If you break fundamental Democratic rules, your punishment is total disenfranchisement. Hey, Obama is already the nominee, he is a few delegates away from securing a magic number all of his own making. Who needs Denver, its all over.

      So goes the story, and with it the water and the baby, all together. Now for some reality.

      Nothing Obama can do, will secure him the necessary pledged delegate vote of 2210 prior to August. 2210 is the number with which we started this Primary, and the number Howard Dean and Pelosi expect of any candidate nominated in Denver. Although the Obama camp has its hands in the Recreate 68 pot (no doubt also through Ayers, active in modern day SDS)- it is acting as if Denver did not exist. Since most Obama supporters are fresh off the College Assembly line, their impression that the Convention is irrelevant to the Nomination process, can be forgiven as simple ignorance promoted by their Messiah.

      Nothing could be easier for Clinton, than preventing Obama from securing the Democratic Presidential nomination until Denver. She just has to hang around. Once in Denver, an hour is all that’s needed for unpledged delegates to cast their votes independently of the ever-present media pressure that currently holds the entire country hostage.

      For a brief moment in time, these delegates will be insulated from the media in their Pepsi Center bunker in Colorado’s capital. By DNC rules they have the right to exercise their judgment as they see fit. Whatever the result of this judgment, it will be these delegates, and it will be in Denver in August, that the Presidential Nominee of the Democratic Party is selected.

      In Denver, contrary to Obama hopes, the entire Florida and Michigan delegations will vote alongside their peers from 48 American states. This will dwindle Obama’s ostensible delegate lead to negligible numbers, and because the Party does take into account the nature of the Caucus system vs a Popular Vote when considering General Election strategy, Clinton’s popular vote lead outside without the Caucus vote, will be impossible to ignore. Clinton is unlikely to come away with more pledged delegates even if FL and MI delegates are re-instituted on May 31st, but this will mean less than Obama supporters can Hope.

      Calculating unpledged delegates is like counting chickens before they hatch. Come August, those who are now with Obama, but have grounds for being with Clinton (because their districts voted in her favor) , are likely to switch in her favor on the basis of the popular vote, the Caucus distorted delegate count, and her victory in 9 out of 11 swing states.

      Unpledged delegates are no doubt aware, that if any Democrats defects to the Republicans in the General, they will almost certainly be Clinton Democrats. Obama supporters will simply turn out in lesser numbers in the general, if Clinton is the nominee, while Clinton supporters are likely to vote Republican, if Obama heads the ballot.

      This hits the Democratic female, Latino, Asian, and Jewish votes particularly hard. Pro-Republican defects for women, Jews and Latinos, may be as high as 30%, and for Asians, as high as 60 %! For a voting block triple the African-American, and college Student population of the United States, any lower turnout of Blacks and Students, will be more than offset.

      It is obvious to any clear thinking Democrat, that unpledged delegates must chose Clinton to head the Democratic ballot, or risk something worse than a McGovern collapse. If Latino’s and Asians vote for McCain, Obama will fail miserably in California, New York, Texas, and Florida. Even in his home state of Illinois, it will take only a moderate pro-Republican female vote, to hand the territory over to McCain. Unlike McGovern, who only lost 49 states in 1972, for the first time in American history, a Democratic Presidential candidate will lose all 50 states of the Union.


      What stands in the way of Clinton securing the Nomination now in June, instead of August?

      Axelrodian Extortion and Media Inspired Fear.

      The cable news and newspapers have tossed everyone into a PC pressure-cooker. Careless Obama enthusiasm and outright Axelrodian propaganda, have made it Politically Incorrect for our Party, to exercise Rational and Independent Judgment. Unless the media stop serving this frame, unpledged delegates will have the luxury of independence only for a few hours in Denver Colorado, on August 26. This will leave the Democratic Party a little more than a month, to run a National campaign against John McCain. A significant disadvantage for Hillary Clinton, but a must for the unelectable Mr. Obama.

      Obama desires as little scrutiny from the Republican media, as possible. If the Republicans can’t decide who to aim at, Obama is the sole beneficiary of this confusion. While in some ways a rational for going with Obama in August, recalling that Obama does not have the demographic wherewithal to win the General, whether the Republicans play Wright for four months vs one month, will only impact whether Obama goes the way of McGovern, or really does lose all 50 states.

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      JPon 21 May 2008 at 3:08 pm 4Jeff: I agree with your article and it sure seems the best analysis I’ve seen yet. No Obama anytime on any ticket. Hillary or McCain thats it. I want the heads of these puppets who endorsed Obama and those who put him in this race in the first place. I also want the heads of many pundits and journalists. We have started already and I think we’ll have a grand old time of it.

      jwrjron 21 May 2008 at 3:13 pm 5The one thing that Clinton Must Not Do is drop out. Fortunately she says that she will take the nomination battle to the convention if necessary.

      Ijaneon 21 May 2008 at 4:12 pm 7Hillary Clinton no matter what is going to the convention.

      I believe that the DNC is banking on three things:

      1. Obama’s financial supporters to help buy a McCain defeat
      2. The Democrats along with enough Republicans and Independents who don’t want another 4 years of Republican leadership.
      3. The most important- Hillary Clinton pulling her supporters behind Obama in the end.

      Obama outspent Hillary in every state and still couldn’t get any distance from her.

      The Republicans are going to run such an all out exposure campaign on Obama that will have the DNC peeing their pants.

      Hillary would campaign for Obama but her supporters will still vote McCain. The DNC thinks this is an emotional threat but they couldn’t be more wrong. We won’t vote for a person that’s not qualified to be city clerk let alone President of the United States.

      Hillary is going to have an uphill battle at that convention. If she doesn’t get the nomination I swear, watching the DNC fall apart when obama loses the general will be a pleasure.

    69. Can you guys imagine an Obama Presidency? Anytime anyone questions his policies – domestic or foreign – the person will be accused of racism. That’s what I’m anticipating. For the next 4 years, race will be injected into every criticism. It silences dissenters.

    70. fibertsf
      goodwill will not pick up
      these are really nice 40 + inch tvs and the bar owner just wants them gone as he has purchased the latest.
      I have nothing to do with it but i feel like it would be criminal to have them go to trash, 20K easily 10 years ago when new– greaqt pic and i am sure could makew a diff somewhere

    71. Here is how Keith Boykins starts out the column I linked to above. Notice, NO mention of the 90% of AA’s who backed BHO:

      The bad news is that there are probably a fair number of racist white people in Kentucky and West Virginia who will never vote for Barack Obama.

      F*cking gold.

      If Obama took out a 1000 mile by 1000 mile billboard on the moon that said “DO NOT VOTE FOR ME, WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTERS!!!!” it wouldn’t be any more effect than this.

      I want Boykins, Rol Martin, Jamaal Simmons, and some others spewing this bile to do a nationwide tour. By the time they’re done essayifying, Obama could end up in single digits with white voters. You pound that race card home, young men and women.

      Right on the nails of Bambi’s coffin.

      “Typical white people,” indeed.

      Ha ha ha.

      *thumbs up*

      Paul F. Villarreal

    72. Universal, it’s almost (ALMOST) funny to watch how inept the Obama campaign is, and how amazingly effective they are at alienating white working-class voters (who, incidentally, are the critical swing-voters who decide elections). If it wasn’t wrecking our party and ensuring a November loss to McCain if Obama’s the nominee, it would be comical.

      It stuns me that no one seems to remember Rule 1 of the Clinton ’92 playbook: RESPECT EVERY VOTER, and FIGHT FOR EVERY VOTE. (Although Hillary’s following it, of course 😀

    73. wbboei — Great stuff from that site. It should be added to HillBillyLover’s and 1950’s Dems’ sites. That is another important resource for us to use in our efforts to get the truth out against the Evil Empire.

      Paula – He didn’t say. Basically what he meant was

      “Please, Hillary, don’t make it so that GodBrazilla has to disenfranchise — arbitrarily, as other states also broke ‘the rules’ and were not punished — millions of MI and FL voters in front of the world on May 31. My guy could end up in the high teens in the popular vote in November, if the elites pick him over the voters for the nomination.”

      For all their bluster, the Bambians are terrified right now. They are reduced to begging, calling multiple states’ voters racist and trying to make HRC voters forget all the BS, death threats and public attempts to get them fired.

      They are f*cked. This whole propaganda-driven charade that is Bambi’s candidacy is about to collapse in a giant, ugly, undignified heap. And Axelrod, GodBrazilla, and others know it. And the only thing they know how to do to try to stop it is to continue to shoot themselves in the foot.



      End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO” to Obama

      Paul F. Villarreal

    74. Madame President Clinton? Chelesa Clinton That Is

      May 21, 2008 5:45 PM

      ABC News’ Ed O’Keefe Reports: Perhaps there will be a Madame President Clinton after all. No, not Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. How about former first daughter and active campaigner Chelsea Clinton?

      “If you asked me (if Chelsea would run for office) before Iowa, I would have said, ‘No way. She is too allergic to anything we do.’ But she is really good at it,” former President Bill Clinton tells PEOPLE magazine in their latest issue, hitting newsstands Friday.

      In the PEOPLE exclusive, Clinton called his daughter’s “emergence” the “second best thing” of the campaign, after his wife’s “ability to endure in the face of all the blows that have been rained on her: outspent, dismissed, denigrated, declared dead…when I met her, I found that in her personal relationships she lacked self-confidence and was painfully shy. She is having more fun now than at the beginning. If you look at her, she seems perfectly relaxed, doesn’t she?”

      When asked what he’s learned about Chelsea’s political skills, Clinton told PEOPLE, “It all changed after Iowa. She realized her mother lost Iowa 100 percent because of younger voters. She was upset, bawled, went to her employer and said, ‘Look, you got to let me go or give me an indefinite leave of absence. I’m not letting my mother go down like this.'”

      The former president strongly rebuked the suggestion that the Clinton campaign ever played the race card against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

      “I was really hurt about it at first. I am way over being hurt. This was cold-blooded, calculated, manipulated and a revolting strategy,” Clinton said, in reference to the accusation that the Clinton camp stoked racial fears during his wife’s bid.

      When asked the seemingly open-ended question, “Is there anything you want voters to know?”, Clinton replied, “When I was so tired, I either was not as precise as I should have been or I seemed angrier than I would have been. That’s always my mistake. If I am to have any blame, that’s it.”

      Clinton also said he didn’t know Obama very well but called his wife’s Democratic nomination rival “an immensely talented man” before adding, “I think I understand him. There are enough similarities in our childhoods and things that I think I get what he is doing. But I do think it’s better to have made a lot of decisions before you get to be president.”

      Telling PEOPLE he speaks to his wife “probably three times a day”, Clinton explained, “I got in the habit of not being an e-mailer when I was president because we had Newt Gingrich, who wanted to subpoena every e-mail ever written in the White House.”

      When asked whether the nomination fight would go all the way to the convention, Clinton replied, “It depends on what happens between now and then. It’s been really funny that when when all she asked was to let all the votes be counted, the response from the other side was to pressure as many superdelegates as possible, in districts mostly that she carried, to come out against her.”

    75. fil
      no everyone in my bitter famly has a stupidlymexpensive tv. but my 61 yr old mother has informed that she will tranport if im can find a home, She thinkd a halfway house would be best.

    76. Can you guys imagine an Obama Presidency? Anytime anyone questions his policies – domestic or foreign – the person will be accused of racism. That’s what I’m anticipating. For the next 4 years, race will be injected into every criticism. It silences dissenters.
      There is something to what you say. In a totalitarian system whoever disagrees with the party line becomes an enemy of the people. Read Hanna Arendt.

    77. Berkeley —

      Live by the race-bait bullying, die by the race-bait bullying.

      It’s all downhill for Bambi here, save perhaps Montana/South Dakota.

      There is nothing to save him now as we head to the deep waters of the campaign.

      This is going to be so damn karmically satisfying, it will be like watching the Cheatriots (sorry, NE fans) get beat by the Giants in the Super Bowl.

      All that crap, all that hype, and then…


      Two weeks to go, folks. Keep working, donating and soon we’ll be where we want to be.

      End the ‘racist’ drama — say “HELL NO” to Obama

      Paul F. Villarreal

    78. Henry, is it possible for you to sell the TVs and donate the proceeds to HRC? Her campaign needs the cash.

    79. “Telling PEOPLE he speaks to his wife “probably three times a day”, Clinton explained, “I got in the habit of not being an e-mailer when I was president because we had Newt Gingrich, who wanted to subpoena every e-mail ever written in the White House.”


    80. Join and vote for THE RACIST PARTY!

      Open to people of all nationalities, creeds, colors, or races. You merely need to be willing to vote for a woman, the most qualifed candidate of our time, for President of the US.

      Your vote automatically makes you a fully fledged member. You will even be invited to join in the celebration after she wins.

      If voting for Hillary makes me a racist, I wear the name with pleasure.


    81. HillBillyLover Says:
      May 21st, 2008 at 6:39 pm

      This is the perfect blog to announce our new petition, just started on the front page of Please take a second to sign it if you can…

      How could I resist?

    82. some one posted this on TM


      I’m sorry for shouting but- I couldn’t believe the pc “Anglo” crap.
      jslat | 05.21.2008 – 8:18 pm | #

    83. Clinton Obama Nomination Update – Written May 8th 2008
      Michelle Whitedove

      I want thank all of you for your emails and watching my BLOG for updates. I’ve been inundated with emails about Hillary, her win in Indiana and loss in North Carolina, so I’d like to give a psychic update.

      First I’d like to clarify why 100% accuracy is not possible when looking into the future. I’m not an all knowing oracle. Only God knows the true outcome and I am his humble messenger. When I look into the future, it’s much like an onion. Time is circular with many layers past, present, future, and many possible futures. Our future is dependent upon mankind’s free will. We each create our personal future based on our actions, thoughts, and our intent. Collectively as a mass consciousness we create the future for the USA and our World. Nothing is written in stone, the future is always in flux and shifting. There are always three possible futures. As a visionary and futurist, I try to predict the MOST PROBABLE future.

      With that said, I’m NOT changing my prediction.
      -I still see Hillary Clinton as President. My vision remains unchanged.
      -It will be a close race for Hillary to win the nomination with recounts of delegates, super delegates and mega delegates.
      -I see a “Major” scandal coming for Obama that will greatly tarnish his reputation. Obama has many dirty secrets.
      -The Washington insiders do not want Obama as President because they know that he will be ineffective. Whereas Hillary knows how get the wheels in motion and move forward to get her goals accomplished.

      I have also seen images of other possible futures too. I’ve seen Obama being elected and being assassinated within his first three months of presidency. With Hillary as his VP, this too would make her the President

      I know without a shadow of doubt that Hillary will be America’s first Woman President. Some way, somehow, she will be President… I know that 100%! If not this election because of man’s free will, then the next election. Hillary wrote in her contract with God to be a world leader and make difference for humanity and she will accomplish the task to the best of her ability. You see, before we come to Earth we make a contract, and agreement to complete certain tasks and/or lessons during this lifetime. Hillary will complete her mission.

      My election predictions have been correct the last two elections LISTEN my Interview with Alan Colmes.

    84. Has anyone heard whether the Curtain will continue and when?
      I read on TM last evening there is a report out tomorrow about Obama and his terrorist and communist ties, has anyone heard of this?

    85. Latest Totals From RCP:

      Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**

      Obama: 17,242,495 / Clinton: 17,416,090 (Clinton +173,595)

      Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*

      Obama: 17,576,579 / Clinton: 17,639,952 (Clinton +63,373)

    86. A good omen, btw. Sunday night (I think it’s Sunday) HBO is airing their new series ‘Recount’, about the 200 election – in Florida.

    87. So I see all these wonderful numbers on polls at this site. An then I hear that he has finally won.

      Did he flunk new math or something? Maybe everyone has not figured this out yet, but when people find out you have cooked the numbers, they tend to get mad, and you tend to go to Jail.

    88. I will be quite happy to go on strike. I cannot see myself ever voting for McCain, but I can certainly see myself sitting this one out. I am a lifelong Democrat (and have had a pretty long life) but I feel no party loyalty this election cycle. And don’t tell me not voting is a vote for McCain. It’s a vote against the party. The Democratic party is broken and I refuse to participate in it. When arbitrary party “rules” threaten to disenfranchise states we’ll need come November, don’t even think about blaming me for not voting. When some states can get diproportional representation simply by holding a caucus instead of a primary, do not come crying to me come November. Sorry Hillary–I will do almost anything for you, but I will not “come together” come November and perpetuate a broken system.

    89. has anyone seen the article “communism in Hawaii and the obama connection” Its 44 pages, lots of information, especially the race baiting tactics used a long time ago! Its on

    90. Did anyone else get a reply to an email they sent to NARAL about their endorsement of BO?

      So they want to “make up”, get my money and support all the while continuing to endorse BO?


    91. Well you know the deal was probably to get Obama’s mailing list, so the probably did a big “merge” and did a mailing to make some money after the loss of donors.

    92. Blue Democrat Says:
      May 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

      Latest Totals From RCP:

      Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**

      Obama: 17,242,495 / Clinton: 17,416,090 (Clinton +173,595)

      Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*

      Obama: 17,576,579 / Clinton: 17,639,952 (Clinton +63,373)


      Those estimates should reflect the fact that Obama tends to do about 16% better in a caucus than in a primary, as shown in WA and NB where both were held. Thus estimatng back from the delegates to ‘voters’, they should move 16% from Obama’s column to HIllary’s.

      Fat chance.

      Or to put it anohther way, when they have a 70-40 Obama win in a caucus, that should be put into the estimates as a near tie — which is what happened in NB and WA.

      Cites at in my diary “Same primary/caucus discrepancy seen in WA, NB, TX”

      WA and NB had both caucus and primary. The results were very similar: near tie in the primary, about 70-30 in the caucus.
      People talk about estimating some ‘popular vote’ count for caucus states. In that case, about 16% would have to be moved from Obama’s column to Hillary’s, to adjust for the caucus/primary discrepancy.
      Some more instances:
      > This includes the caucus states where Obama’s support is exaggerated.
      > For example, a 4% lead for Clinton in the Texas Primary translated to
      > a 12% lead for Obama in caucus votes.
      > Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008
      > Washington results prove the caucus/primary disconnect
      > The primaries brought out about 1.5 million voters, more than five
      > times the number who participated in the caucuses. Results of the
      > votes counted Tuesday varied considerably from the caucuses[….]
      > But while Obama took 68 percent of the caucus vote, he was just
      > squeaking by Tuesday with 50 percent of the vote to Hillary Clinton’s
      > 47 percent.
      > Caucuses have long been criticized for not producing outcomes that are
      > representative of the electorate’s true opinion.
      A perfect example of the system’s glitch can be seen by reviewing what happened in the State of Nebraska. On May 13, Barack Obama won the nonbinding primary in that state by just 49 percent to 47 percent with a popular vote margin over Obama’s rival, Hillary Clinton, by a mere 2,665. Compare this to the striking contrast with his 68 percent to 32 percent, 13,681-vote margin in the February 9 Nebraska caucus. While 38,571 Nebraskans voted in the caucus, fully 93,757 voted in the primary.

    93. “Can you guys imagine an Obama Presidency? Anytime anyone questions his policies – domestic or foreign – the person will be accused of racism. That’s what I’m anticipating. For the next 4 years, race will be injected into every criticism. It silences dissenters.”

      Read anything and everything you can about Detroit during the tenure of Coleman Young and now again with Kwame Kilpatrick as mayor. Put it on a national scale, and that’s what an Obama presidency will be like. Except Obama isn’t as smart as Young or as hip as Kwame.

    94. HillBillyLover

      Nothing wrong with loving younger men, is there? Or in loving older women.


      I love you too, my friend.

      This contest has meant so much for so many of us. For a majority of our party, actually. And when — if — our elitist leadership, together with the 5th column 4th estate, steals the nomination from the winner of both the overall popular vote and the Dem popular vote they will rue that day far beyond the pink slips which will be coming their way in November and the next time they are up for re-election.

      That an African-American man and his wife — both with 2 Ivy League degrees — could run such a blatantly race-baiting, George Wallace-type campaign is disgusting enough.

      That our leadership would embrace such insanity is a whole different thing.

      Look, the MSM is dumb, in general. Most of the people that make up the MSM are wash-outs from things such as law school, or medical school. There is a reason one doesn’t need any specific degree to be in the media.

      Plus, they are suckers for the ‘white guilt’ bullsh*t that the Babmians are peddling. The MSM, and the academy, are the target audiences for such gibberish, along with the wider latte liberal set.

      So, I get that the MSM is on the hook. They’re like kids who have been given a brand new candy to chew on. They are easily amused and snowed over.

      Bambi? He’s just another Chi-town, race-baiting, dirty pol. This is what they do in Midwestern urban centers, unfortunately. And I’m very sure he knew that when he chose to go to Chicago from NYC two decades ago. He knows his way around race-baiting as well or better than anyone.

      But so much of what’s going on here is far, far beyond him. Far beyond Axelrod. There are much larger forces at work here, as I’ve been discussing the last few days. Obama is just their vessel, their tool.

      The party leadership is what really makes my blood boil. They are allowing their hatred and jealousy of the Clintons to obscure everything else, primarily that Obama is going to be electorally beaten about the cranium if he is nominated. We are going to get blown the *bleep* out if we run him.

      And they know it, the elites. They know this.

      And for various reasons, they don’t care.

      AA appeasement. Clinton hating. More power for the Congresspeople and not ‘rival’ in the White House. Placating donors like Etc.

      When your government does you wrong, you have to take up your own cause. Like in the American Revolution.

      Our party is wronging us. They are preparing to ignore our votes and to throw away the lessons of 2000 with MI & FL. They are way, way off the reservation.

      And that is why, if we must, we will work together to make sure that their Messiah is not elected in November if he is wrongly chosen by the elites as the nominee.

      I was brought up with strong social justice values. Anytime you could advance the cause of fairness and making sure things were done ‘correctly,’ you did. This meant protesting for equal rights, opposing racism and helping the poor, to name a few areas.

      Well, now we’re faced with a candidate and his wife who both have benefited from the progressive nature of our society AND who want to tear down all the gains of that society by inciting racial unrest simply for their own gain.

      Like I said, George Wallace redux.

      And you have the MSM and the should-know-better Dem elites making common cause with this destructive, divisive figure.

      Finally, you have the cult leader’s maniacal followers, who have done unbelievable damage to race relations, the party and the country.

      All in all, this isn’t just a slap in the face, personally, to all of my sensibilities involving ethics and justice, it is a real, pronounced danger to the Republic.

      And so, all of us who have voted for Senator Clinton — all the women, all the blue collar voters, all of the rural Americans and average Joes — must stand up and oppose this festering threat. To not do so would be like the Minutemen telling Paul Revere that they were too tired to get out of bed and face the British troops.

      There isn’t going to be any alignment behind Obama for Clinton supporters if the party wrongly pushes him through as the nominee. And that is the just outcome — he and his puppetmasters must be opposed or else the banality of evil which has infected the Obama Cultists will reach new heights and could even become institutionalized.

      Think about that.

      Think about all these despicable, detestable characters who have been making death threats and inciting race riots being legitimized.

      F*CK THAT SH*T

      You are talking about a Star Wars ‘clone army’ of William Ayers.

      That is far from what this country needs, or can afford to have.

      Especially now, with real threats like Al Qaeda in the world.

      If Obama is — against all reason — nominated, then we are going to defeat him. “We,” as in the majority of registered Dems who will not have voted for him. “We,” as in the majority of the country that doesn’t like being held hostage and told we’re racist by 11% of the electorate and their race-whipped (think p-whipped) MSM co-conspirators.

      We will defeat Obama because he must be defeated; there is no other choice. If we value the principles of our nation, the ideals of an MLK or aspire for racial harmony, Obama must be sent to a rousing, crushing defeat.

      Or else the “racial terrorists” win.

      We had one Wallace. We don’t need any more.


      One other thing:

      Any ‘Democratic’ pundits, blog writers, … who currently support Clinton but who would choose to blindly back Obama if he is nominated are people whom I personally won’t be having much use for.

      This is far beyond party politics or personal pundits’ ambitions. If people can’t see that, then they shouldn’tve ever had your or my respect anyways.

      You don’t point out someone has called you a racist for 9 months, watch people threaten the physical well-being of fellow supporters and see people attack others like rabid dogs and then suddenly have a ‘catharsis’ (which happens to be good for your career aspirations) to make common cause with such people because they’re “Democrats.”

      Where I’m from, we call that “selling-out.”

      I never had much use for sell-outs, of any variety.

      There have been a number of sell-outs already during this primary season:

      Keith Olbermann
      Josh Marshall (word is he like Clinton but realized it would be better for Obama’s Talking Points Memo if he backed Waffles)
      Bill Richardson
      John Edwards

      I’ve had more than enough for the moment, thanks.

      There aren’t any arguments, either. I don’t even want to hear them. You’re either philosophically and intellectually consistent or you are not. That’s it.

      Look for this. If Bambi is nominated, you will see this phenomenon popping up a fair amount. When you do see it, you will know that those people jumping ship are more focused on their own agendas than on the larger threat which Obama and his Cultists pose to the country.

      There are a lot of dishonorable qualities in people, but expediency is one of the worst. You have to stand for something, and you have to be willing to fight for what you believe in. Hillary has, and though she can’t come out and say she won’t support Obama (like jackass Mish has basically said about her), we can. And we must.

      Or else all that we have fought for — and against — these last months means nothing.

      Don’t be a sell-out.

      Paul F. Villarreal

    95. The real tragedy here is that these blanket, false accusations of racism will hurt African Americans who are victims of true racism. I firmly believe that words such as racist, Nazi, Ku Klux Klan, holocaust, genocide, rape, and abuse should never be used lightly. These are powerful words. They evoke strong emotions. And they should. But the more people throw these words around carelessly, the more they lose their sting.

      Imagine if hundreds of people went around yelling, “Fire! Fire! The theatre is on fire!” on a daily basis when there wasn’t any fire. And they did this over and over and over again. What, then, would happen if the theatre really did catch fire? What happened to that boy who cried wolf? Do we want something similar to happen to a victim of true racism? Of course not!

      Another sad possible consequence of Obama’s campaign tactics would be if these accusations of racism were to become self-fulfilling prophesies. If parents and teachers tell a good kid over and over again that he is bad, eventually he will start behaving badly. He is living up to the adults’ expectations of him. I would hate to see this sort of thing happen with decent, nonracist white people, where they are accused of racism over and over again until they get to the point where they start living up to those expectations.

    96. Front-page article from tomorrow’s NYTimes, about Obama’s unelectability and Jewish voters in Florida:

      May 22, 2008
      Many Florida Jews Express Doubts on Obama

      BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. — At the Aberdeen Golf and Country Club on Sunday, the fountains were burbling, the man-made lakes were shining, and Shirley Weitz and Ruth Grossman were debating why Jews in this gated neighborhood of airy retirement homes feel so much trepidation about Senator Barack Obama.

      “The people here, liberal people, will not vote for Obama because of his attitude towards Israel,” Ms. Weitz, 83, said, lingering over brunch.

      “They’re going to vote for McCain,” she said.

    97. Paul, I hope everyone knows I will not submit to the DNC after what they have, but more than than I will not vote for Obama because of his background. THe more you research the scarier he gets. I also thought, what if all this is just propaganda by the republicans, then I think but what if it isnt and its true. I think if even if its only partly true, thats enough for me to say no Obama! When your formative years are litered the the like of Davis (known communist), William Ayers, Louis Farrakhan and in your books you describe Malcolm X as a great man and you spend 20 years in church with Rev.Wright it leaves with the idea, is Obama really who he says he is? This country will be better served by a republican than anyone with the ideas of the people that has mentored him from a very young age. NO OBAMA EVER!

    98. First Obama wants to disenfranchise Florida Democrats, and then, if he’s the nominee, he’ll just lose anyway to McCain:

      Florida: McCain 50% Obama 40%

      -Wednesday, May 21, 2008

      Barack Obama is heading to Florida this week and has a lot of catching up to do in the race for the Sunshine State’s twenty-seven Electoral College votes.

      The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Florida shows McCain attracting 50% of the vote while Obama earns 40%. Last month, McCain led by fifteen points. This is the third Florida poll in four months to show McCain with a double digit lead. Just 57% of Florida Democrats say they will vote for Obama while 27% plan to vote for McCain. The two candidates are essentially even among unaffiliated voters.

      McCain leads among voters who earn more than $40,000 annually while Obama leads among lower income voters. In most states, McCain does well among middle income voters while Obama leads among those at both the lower-and-upper income brackets. In a trend seen in other states, Obama leads among those who rarely or never attend church while McCain leads among churchgoers.

      Obama also leads by twenty-two percentage points among voters under thirty. However, voters 30 and older, McCain has a comfortable lead.

      Rasmussen Markets shows that McCain is currently given a 75.0 % chance of winning Florida this fall. As this poll is released, Florida is rated “Leans Republican” in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator. Balance of Power projections indicate that the Electoral College scoreboard is a toss-up at this time.

    99. Many Florida Jews Express Doubts on Obama

      BOYNTON BEACH, Fla. — At the Aberdeen Golf and Country Club on Sunday, the fountains were burbling, the man-made lakes were shining, and Shirley Weitz and Ruth Grossman were debating why Jews in this gated neighborhood of airy retirement homes feel so much trepidation about Senator Barack Obama.

      “The people here, liberal people, will not vote for Obama because of his attitude towards Israel,” Ms. Weitz, 83, said, lingering over brunch.

      “They’re going to vote for McCain,” she said.

      Ms. Grossman, 80, agreed with her friend’s conclusion, but not her reasoning.

      “They’ll pick on the minister thing, they’ll pick on the wife, but the major issue is color,” she said, quietly fingering a coffee cup. Ms. Grossman said she was thinking of voting for Mr. Obama, who is leading in the delegate count for the nomination, as was Ms. Weitz.

      But Ms. Grossman does not tell the neighbors. “I keep my mouth shut,” she said.

      On Thursday, Mr. Obama will court Jewish voters with an appearance at a synagogue in Boca Raton, Fla. A longtime Democratic constituency with a consistently high turnout rate, Jews are important to his general election hopes, particularly in New York, which he expects to win; in California and New Jersey, which he must keep out of Republican hands; and, most crucially, here in Florida, where Jews make up around 5 percent of voters.

      This is the most haunted state on the electoral college map for Democrats, the one they lost by hundreds of votes and a Supreme Court decision in 2000, and again in 2004.

      “The fate of the world for the next four years,” mused Rabbi Ruvi New as his Sunday morning Kabbalah & Coffee class dispersed in East Boca Raton.

      “It’s all going to boil down to a few old Jews in Century Village,” he added, referring to a nearby retirement community.

    100. NYT;

      Clinton Signals She May Carry Fight to Convention

      CORAL GABLES, Fla. — A day after Senator Barack Obama gathered a majority of pledged delegates in the Democratic presidential nominating contest, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defiantly sent out new signals Wednesday that she might take her fight for the nomination all the way to the party’s convention in August.

      Mrs. Clinton stumped across South Florida, scene of the 2000 election debacle, pressing her case for including delegates from Florida and Michigan in the final delegate tally. On the trail and in interviews, she raised a new battle cry of determination, likening her struggle for these delegates to the nation’s historic struggles to free the slaves and grant women the right to vote.

      But behind the scenes, the campaigns were working with the Democratic National Committee to resolve the dispute over the delegates before May 31, when the party’s rules committee is to decide the matter. Mrs. Clinton has said she wants all delegates counted and apportioned based on the popular vote of the two candidates in both states, although Mr. Obama did not appear on the ballot in Michigan.

      Mr. Obama has said he wants the delegates seated but has not said how or in what proportion. David Axelrod, his chief strategist, said in an interview Wednesday that the campaign was willing to go beyond halfway in the apportionment.

      “If that means we have to make some sacrifices,” Mr. Axelrod said, “we are open to do so, within reason. Our sense is the folks in Florida and Michigan want to resolve this. They’re not looking to prolong this.”

      The outcome on the Florida and Michigan delegates may be only symbolic anyway. Winning extra delegates, even under her rosiest scenario, would not help Mrs. Clinton catch Mr. Obama’s lead on that score.

      Both need superdelegates to get over the finish line. But winning additional delegates from Florida and Michigan might be Mrs. Clinton’s last glimmer of hope in bolstering her case to superdelegates that she would be the stronger candidate in November. In her victory speech Tuesday in Kentucky, she noted that the primary race was one of the closest in history.

      Florida and Michigan have emerged as central to Mrs. Clinton’s effort to keep her candidacy alive.

      Both states jumped ahead in the primary calendar in January in violation of party rules. As punishment, the party stripped them of their delegates, leaving them excluded from a primary process that has galvanized the rest of the country.

      Mrs. Clinton told The Associated Press on Wednesday that she would support those states if they had to carry their fight to the convention.

      “Yes, I will,” she said. “I will, because I feel very strongly about this.”

      And Geoff Garin, her pollster, told MSNBC that she could campaign beyond the primaries because “there are enough uncommitted delegates left for either candidate to earn a majority.”

      Mr. Obama crossed the threshold of amassing a majority of pledged delegates on Tuesday with his victory in Oregon.

      Mr. Garin added that at some point, one of the candidates would have enough total delegates to win the nomination, “but we have not reached that point yet; we probably won’t reach that point on June 3.” Mrs. Clinton has signaled that she intends to stay in the race at least through the final primaries on June 3.

      Mr. Obama ignored Mrs. Clinton’s arguments about the delegates in an effort, his aides said, not to legitimize her point of view.

      “I know there are some people worried about the Democratic Party being divided,” Mr. Obama said. “We will be united.”

      That strategists are working behind the scenes on the matter raised the possibility that Mrs. Clinton’s newfound fervor was an effort to make sure her apportioning method prevails.

      It also raised the possibility that her campaign was split over how to handle the end game of what some have admitted privately is a lost cause. Some Clinton aides said that she was well aware of her uphill climb and that she was making a symbolic point. They said she was hesitant about declaring that she could overcome Mr. Obama’s lead, but at the same time did not want to be seen as surrendering.

      Her swing across South Florida on Wednesday seemed essentially to be a campaign-within-a-campaign, one that is about process and is directed chiefly at the party’s rules committee.

      “I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” Mrs. Clinton said. “I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country.”

      She also sought to whip up populist sentiment, telling voters in Boca Raton, where the 2000 election played out vividly, “You didn’t break a single rule, and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control.”

      She argued with fervor that the nomination should be determined by popular vote. She has claimed to have the lead in the popular vote by including Florida and Michigan in her tally.

      “The outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people, nothing more, nothing less,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And we believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will.”

      “The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear,” she said. “If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people isn’t realized and our democracy is diminished.”

      She generally avoided mentioning Mr. Obama all day, but concluded a rally in Coral Gables on Wednesday by declaring: “Look at the states I’ve won. Look at the states I’m leading in. Look at the electoral map. It is clear I’m the stronger candidate.”

      As her voice was drowned out with cheers, she added: “Stay with me. Let’s make history together.”

    101. do u buy it?

      Wednesday, May 21, 2008
      All We Can Say Is, Just Wait For July
      In late July, we have a feeling, based on a very educated guess, and a good 15 years of following politics and the American news media intently, that a “major upset” in this campaign will happen. What the media giveth, it taketh away. We personally bet it’s going to be Michelle Obama in a starring role with a video hit of her own sweeping the nation — but, over the last few days, Larry Johnson over at has mentioned the existence of tapes of Barack Obama “overseas”, making outrageous statements of his own. Since Obama is not a well-traveled man, we’re guessing this tape is from his relatively recent trip to Africa, where he met up with his cousin, Odinga, and other unsavory types in Kenya. We highly doubt the tapes are from his boyhood in Indonesia or his trip to Pakistan with a friend several years after that. It has to be the Kenya trip Obama took as a US Senator, in 2004. Johnson doesn’t know if it’s video or audio tape, but it will certainly be interesting. It doesn’t make any sense for the media to drop this material now, because it won’t change the result in Puerto Rico, where Hillary Clinton will win a nice victory, and it won’t change Montana or South Dakota, because they are so small to begin with, that they really don’t matter. The maximum value to the media, story-wise, would be for Clinton to contest the nomination to the Convention, with Obama pretending to have it all in the bag, until suddenly these tapes come out and sink his candiday before the Democrats head to Denver. Obama implodes, the media does a “Dewey Defeats Truman” number, and Hillary Clinton emerges as the nominee. There’s also the potential for 4th of July pitfalls for both Obamas, considering their difficulties with the national anthem, flag pins, and national pride. So, we think July could be very, very interesting. With no doubts in our mind, a Clinton nomination in Denver come August.

      Posted by HillBuzz at 10:45 PM

    102. per Jake Tapper ( I believe Hillary is beginning to bring out ODINGA!)

      Clinton Evokes Bloody Zimbabwe Election Dispute When Discussing Florida and Michigan

      May 21, 2008 10:01 PM

      In Florida today, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., vociferously pushed her argument that the disqualified contests in Michigan and Florida should count, even though the DNC said the contests didn’t count, no candidate campaigned in either state, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., along with many other Democratic candidates, was not even on the Michigan ballot.

      “I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast,” she said in Palm Beach County, per ABC News’ Eloise Harper, apparently meaning that she should receive more than 300,000 votes from Michigan and Obama should receive zero.

      In Sunrise, Fla., Clinton assailed countries “where votes don’t count. People go through the motions of an election only to have it discarded and disregarded. We’re seeing that right now in Zimbabwe — tragically an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people. So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote.”

      Almost four dozen people have been killed in Zimbabwe, allegedly by those loyal to Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe after an election dispute in that country.

      Which doesn’t really explain why Clinton didn’t make an issue out of Michigan and Florida until it became clear she might not be able to win the nomination without those contests counting.

      Or why Clinton campaign senior adviser Harold Ickes, as a member of the DNC’s rules and bylaws committee, voted to not recognize Michigan and Florida’s delegates, thus — I suppose — taking for granted our precious right to vote.

    103. A good analogy for BO bailing on Michigan;

      “Oama chose to take himself off the ballot in Michigan, the way a student might decide to skip an exam or fail to submit a paper because he does not believe he will perform well.

      When the final grades are given, that big goose egg the student earned for skipping the challenge factors against him, doesn’t it?”

    104. Blue Democrat,

      That NY Times article is anti-Hillary, just more subtle than most other media pieces. The line “It also raised the possibility that her campaign was split over how to handle the end game of what some have admitted privately is a lost cause.” Ah, the great unnamed sources! Can’t make your point with facts, just make up anonymous quotes!

      Funny, I heard Hillary say in her victory speech in Kentucky that she would support the nominee of the Democratic party, “whoever SHE may be.” It doesn’t sound like a “lost cause.” In fact, it sounds like less of a lost cause that just a week earlier when she said in her West Virginia victory speech that she would support the nominee of the party but made no reference to gender.

      I think the NYT piece is calculated to try to suppress Hillary’s fundraising. Spread the lie that the campaign itself believes the cause is lost and who will continue to contribute to it?

      I won’t contribute to a lost cause but I will continue to contribute to Hillary’s campaign because I am HILLARY ALL THE WAY, and never, ever will I vote for BO. With that being said, I’m off to Hillary’s website to contribute. Goodnite all!

    105. A Primer on American Propaganda

      Please learn to spot the propaganda in the articles.

      Go back and re-read the NYT article that Blue Dem posted:

      Clinton Signals She May Carry Fight to Convention

      Here are some examples:

      The article begins with a statement designed to make sure you understand that Obama is the winner in this race:

      “A day after Senator Barack Obama gathered a majority of pledged delegates in the Democratic presidential nominating contest”

      Then, the author attempts to paint the Obama camp as the reasonable ones:

      “Mr. Obama has said he wants the delegates seated but has not said how or in what proportion. David Axelrod, his chief strategist, said in an interview Wednesday that the campaign was willing to go beyond halfway in the apportionment.”

      And then a picture of desperation about the Clinton campaign:

      “But winning additional delegates from Florida and Michigan might be Mrs. Clinton’s last glimmer of hope”

      Who has said so other than the authors?

      And further desperation:

      “Florida and Michigan have emerged as central to Mrs. Clinton’s effort to keep her candidacy alive.”

      Then we are given a restatement (reminder to the reader) that Obama has already won:

      “Mr. Obama crossed the threshold of amassing a majority of pledged delegates on Tuesday with his victory in Oregon.”

      Now Obama as the person most interested in the Party (as opposed to Hillary I suppose):

      “I know there are some people worried about the Democratic Party being divided”

      Another reminder that her case is hopeless:

      “her campaign was split over how to handle the end game of what some have admitted privately is a lost cause.”

      In the above the authors state “some have admitted privately is a lost cause.” Who exactly are these “some” persons? Could be a street person drunk on wine for all we know.

      This is how the Media is trying to convince the US public that this nomination contest is finished before it really is.

      Actually Hillary’s chance of getting the nomination at this point is exactly the same as Obama’s, 50%.

    106. Our thanks to Blue Dem for posting the NYT article. BlueDem is our reality check person on this blog. To know the enemy, is to be able to defeat him- The Art of War SunZi

    107. The end of the primary season frees the Hillary campaign to open up on Obama. The MSM will no longer have the power to threaten her vote in some state primary. Hillary or others can bring out all the dirt about Obama with little more than an argument from the press. If they protest too much it will only call more attention to the charges. Of course, she will probably be doing most of this directly to the SD’s, but some help from the voting public will be useful at times.

    108. Paddy —

      Love the Sun-Tzu quote.

      I was saying the other day that the media and other blogs are constantly reading this site. Here’s an example:

      Written by someone named Lonnee Hamilton (no idea who that is, but she’s obviously spent a lot of time here at Big Pink).


      If you want to see some of the out-of-control vitriol being spewed toward him, check out Hillary supporter site, where they even use sexist tactics against Michelle Obama by calling her “lantern jawed.” (Plug your nose before you go in. This has become a hate site.)

      As I said, the media is here and they will — in typical, lazy-ass media fashion — be here to stay in hopes of finding ready-made quotes, angles, stories, etc.

      It’s not just national media, either:

      A quick Google Search will reveal the various Politico, ABC, … stories on Big Pink, not to mention Peggy Noonan’s incredible level of interest in the site.

      The FluffPo piece is from yesterday.

      These tanked-out, embarrassment-to-the-profession ObamaMedia types are still here, same as they have been and same as they will be. They are joined by the legion or more responsible journalists who also frequent the site.

      And the focus on Big Pink is going to increase, particularly if Clinton supporters are forced into an “extended primary” lasting until November due to the Dem party elites overturning the will of both registered Dem votes and all participants in the Dem nomination and they choose — much as Dubya beat Gore in 2000 — the person with the most delegates over the person with the most popular votes.

      Unlike other sites, Big Pink isn’t going to be doing any “Kumbaya”-ing with Bambi if Bambi is coronated. What this means, functionally, is that media members looking for the developing story of why Obama will not be able to win the general election should he be nominated will have to spend even more time here to get the thoughts of Clinton supporters who have decided that we will not vote for Obama.

      Yes, the media is here. Yes, they will be using info — as Hamilton does — from the site. Yes, most of it will be hack (as Hamilton’s piece is). Remember, the bulk of the MSM and the ‘progressive’ blogosphere is in the tank for Bambi; they don’t want reality, they want BambiVision and that is what they are going to unprofessionally present to their readers and viewers.

      However, if Bambi is nominated, and as the organization to make sure Bambi is defeated begins to crystallize and synergize (like Clinton Supporters Count Too and Turn Down Obama, …), at some point you will start seeing more, um, ‘genteel’ stories written about the site. Reporters — legit ones, not Axelrodian astroturfers pretending to be reporters — may even try to contact some here in order to flesh-out a story.

      The reason why the worm will turn, so to speak, with how Big Pink is perceived is because of the concept of the fait accompli. In this instance, the indisputable facts will emerge both that Obama is not going to be elected and that it is Clinton supporting Dems that were the most influential in bringing him down and breaking his White House bid.

      Now, as pissed-off as these series of events would/will make tanked-out Bambi Media members, they still have to cover the story.

      And the story of Clinton supporters’ crystallization against Ofraudma cannot be told — nor can it be told with anywhere near the compellingness — without discussing All roads lead to Rome, and Big Pink is where the anti-Barack Vatican is to be found.

      If you want to follow the media’s coverage of the site, just do daily Google/Google News searches. The site is going to be popping up a lot between now and November, particularly if Obama is nominated.

      Hope that info helps those who wanted to know more about Big Pink and the media hovering over the site.

      Paul F. Villarreal

    109. Confloyd — We know you’re not giving into to the hopium! 🙂

      Sherm Kader — Totally agree. Once the primaries are done and with it the positioning for votes and fundraising, HRC’s camp can open up some Stone Cold Steve Austin cans of whipass on Obama’s scrawny butt.

      Can’t wait. 🙂


    110. Oh, and Ms. Hamilton:

      The Loeb reference sucks.

      Why does it suck?

      Because dicktree Loeb just wrote a piece trying to both diminish HRC’s impending popular vote victory and also bring back up the Bosnia flap.

      So, if you’re looking to appeal to ‘unity’ and such assorted tripe which isn’t going to fly with people who have been called racists and had attempts to have them fired from their jobs for not supporting Leader, then you’re going to need to work much, much harder.

      Seriously, how stupid do you think people are. Are your readers really ignorant enough to not know the crap that Loeb is talking about Hillary?


      Look, most media personages are embarrassments. We have seen a particular outbreak of this phenomenon this primary season on MSNBC and CNN.

      Just because this is true, however, doesn’t mean you — Ms. Hamilton — want to jump on the self-caricature bandwagon.

      The next time you want to try to go “Jedi Mind Trick” on Clinton supporters whom you know won’t back Babmi, you better try a lot harder. Or else someone like myself — or anybody with a 5th grade education — will be more than happy, I’m sure, to summarily pummel your weak and lamentable effort.

      Alternate moral of the story for Ms. Hamilton

      If you can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

      Nobody cares who you write for, much as we don’t care who employs Tweety.

      If you’re trying to dress a shell game up as reason, you’re going to get called on it. And now with the actual primaries winding down and with Clinton supporters soon to have more time to devote to debunking the press’ BHO-Fantasyland tripe, you and your compromised colleagues better step your games up several levels or else you’re going to be humiliated, and with great pleasure being taken in humiliating you.

      Paul F. Villarreal

    111. Thanks Universal. Very insightful as usual. For the guests that come to our very special place where Hillary lovers can hang out, I can only say “Bring ’em on!”


    112. Hi Universal,
      I laughed when I read this:
      If you want to see some of the out-of-control vitriol being spewed toward him, check out Hillary supporter site, where they even use sexist tactics against Michelle Obama by calling her “lantern jawed.” (Plug your nose before you go in. This has become a hate site.)
      “Lantern jawed” upset them. Lantern jawed! My god the vile things that have been written about Hillary – and her female supporters come to that. The writer should go over to Taylor Marsh, who sometimes prints the hate mail she gets, it’s beyond foul.
      Oh my god, talk about hypocrisy. I can’t stand it anymore, I really can’t.

    113. Let’s face it. Senator Obama is a Sexists candidate. He tends to place women in a condesencing manner.

      We all know the statements he has made. But look at the way he treats his wife. She is a professional highly educated women. So she cannot stand up for herself, and deflect or withstand the comments made about her. After all they came out of her mouth. WHY, BECAUSE WOMEN NEED TO BE KEPT IN THEIR PLACE. THAT MEANS PROTECT THEM, AND SAY THEY ARE OFF LIMITS. THIS TACTIC HAS BEEN USED FOR YEARS.



    114. If this site is being monitor by the Media, I would like to challenge them. the utude video on the behavior of women on the Obama plane was very revealing.

      I have been a professional in the work place. I have seen this sort of inapporiate sexual behavior. Really the women were treating Senaor Obama as a sexual object. I know this irratated someone, or we would not have seen the video.

      I find this behavior in the work place totally inappropriate for either sex. I want to know two things.

      1. How does the media who monitor this site feel about that behavior on this plane. Please feel free to respond here, as we would like to know your opinions.

      2. What sort of action should be take in response to this behavior. If this happened in the work place (for instance the recent incident in the Ohio State government which lead to a resignation), their would be sexual harrasment being charged. I think these female journalist failed to maintain a professional decorum. I think they should be taken off the Presidential reporting staff, and off this work assignment, and receive some education. I don’t beleive anything happened. I am sure if something do, you would tell us. This is obviously creating a sexual intimidating environment. So, again, what action was taken. I think none.

    115. Good Morning!!!

      I go to this site daily it details the Electorial College standing (of that day) and current polls for every state. After reviewing this site I can not understand what the DNC is thinknig. As of today, if the election was held today this would be the following outcome
      Hillary 310 vs McCain 211
      Obama 242 vs McCain 285

      Go to this site and enjoy, it always makes me feel good!!!

    116. NMFan-

      I agree, but lets make it even easier for them.

      I challenge the media to play the brilliant speech Hillary Clinton gave in Florida yesterday. It was one of the best speeches I have heard and certainly the best speech I have heard during this campaign. Senatory Clinton elegantly laid out the case for voting rights and reminded us of the historic role the Democratic Party has played in emancipating voters, not disenfranchising them.

      Highlights- any of which would make a great headline (or T-shirt):

      The people who voted did nothing wrong, and it would be wrong to punish you.

      We know it was wrong to penalize voters for the decisions of state officials back in the 2000 presidential election. It would be wrong to do so for decisions made in our nominating process.

      each vote you cast is a prayer for our nation.

      Hillary Clinton May 21st, 2008

    117. Hillary Clinton delivered the following remarks this afternoon at a “Solutions for America ” event in Boca Raton , FL :

      Now, this year’s presidential election is like none other in history. And we have had more people engaging and volunteering, casting their ballots, than ever before. Everywhere I go, people tell me, “I’ve never given money to a campaign in my life; this year is different. I’ve never followed an election before; this time I can’t stop watching.” And there’s a reason for that. With our economy in crisis, and with two wars and our children’s future in the balance, more people than ever before are taking politics seriously.

      I happen to welcome that because this is a democracy, and we’ve all got to participate. In fact, we want more democracy, not less democracy. We want more people taking a part in the selection of their president.

      Here in Florida , more than 1.7 million people cast their vote, the highest primary turnout in the history of Florida . And nearly 600,000 voters in Michigan did the same. And not a day goes by that I don’t meet someone who grabs my hand or holds up a sign, no matter where I am, in Kentucky or anywhere else, and says, “Please, make my vote count.”

      I receive dozens and dozens of letters and emails and phone calls, every couple of hours it seems like, all making the same urgent request: please count my vote. We used to be worried about voter apathy, didn’t we? We worried why Americans didn’t participate. Now, people are worried that their participation won’t matter.

      I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.

      I am here today because I believe that the decision our party faces is not just about the fate of these votes and the outcome of these primaries. It is about whether we will uphold our most fundamental values as Democrats and Americans. It is about whether we will move forward, united, to win this state and take back the White House this November. That has to be the prize that we keep in mind.

      Because here in America, unlike in many other nations, we are bound together, not by a single shared religion or cultural heritage, but by a shared set of ideas and ideals, a shared civic faith, that we are entitled to speak and worship freely, that we deserve equal justice under the law, that we have certain core rights that no government can abridge and these rights are rooted in and sustained by the principle that our founders set forth in the Declaration of Independence. That a just government derives its power from the consent of the governed, that each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation. A generation of patriots risked and sacrificed lives on the battlefield for that ideal.

      The union they ultimately formed was far from perfect. It excluded many of our citizens; people like Congresswoman Brown, me, my daughter. But it was an ideal that set forth a goal that we have consistently worked for.

      Fortunately, in each successive generation, this nation was blessed by men and women who refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. Men and women who saw America not as it was, but as it could and should be, and committed themselves to extending the frontiers of our democracy. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full right of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote.

      It took more than 70 years of struggle, setbacks, and grinding hard work and only one of those original suffragists lived to see women cast their ballots. There are women here today – as with my own mother – who were born before the Constitution granted us the right to vote. This is not something lost in the mists of memory and history; this is real. The generations here in this room have seen change. The men and women who knew their Constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence, and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right, so they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

      Some gave their lives to the struggle for a more perfect union. There is a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It is because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children’s future. Because of those who have come before, Senator Obama and I and so many of you have this precious right today. Because of all that has been done, we are in this historic presidential election. I believe that both Senator Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees – in fact, we all have an obligation as Democrats – to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process every voice is heard and every single vote is counted.

      This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic Party, from signing the voting rights act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box, to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their Commander-in-Chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak. I am proud of our work today. We are fighting the redistricting initiatives that would dilute African American and Latino votes. We are fighting efforts to purge voters from the rolls here in Florida and elsewhere. We are fighting voter identification laws that could wrongly keep tens of thousands of voters from casting their ballots this November.

      We carry on this cause for a simple reason, because we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people – nothing more, nothing less.

      We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today, just as we believed it back in 2000 when right here in Florida , you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner. The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear. If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people is not realized and our democracy is diminished. That is what I have always believed.

      My first job in politics was on the 1972 presidential campaign registering African-American and Hispanic voters in Texas . That work took me from home to home in neighborhood after neighborhood. I was determined to knock on every door and sign up every voter I could find. While we may not have won that election, I have never given up the fight. It is a fight I continue to this day.

      Because I think it is appalling that in the 21st century, voters are still being wrongly turned away from the polls, ballots are still mysteriously lost in state after state, African-American and Hispanic voters still wait in line for hours while voters in the same state, even in the same county can wait just minutes to cast their votes. That’s why I’ve been working since 2004 with my dear friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones to pass the Count Every Vote Act; comprehensive voting rights legislation designed to end these deplorable violations. It will ensure that every eligible voter can vote, every vote is counted, and every vote can verify his or her vote before it is finally cast.

      I will continue to fight for that same principle every day in this campaign. The fact is, the people of Florida voted back in January. You did your part. You showed up in record numbers and you made informed choices. But today, some months later, you still do not know if these votes will help determine our party’s nominee. You still don’t know if this great state will be represented at our convention in August. It is time you knew, because the more than 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan exercised their fundamental American right in good faith. You watched the news. You went to the candidates’ web sites, you talked to your friends and neighbors, you learned about our records and policies so you could make informed voting decisions. You didn’t break a single rule, and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control.

      Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan , and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America .

      Now, I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country – that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people’s votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.

      The votes of 1.7 million people should not be cast aside because of a technicality. The people who voted did nothing wrong, and it would be wrong to punish you. As the Florida Supreme Court said back in 2000, before the United States Supreme Court took the case away from them, as your Supreme Court said, it’s not about the technicalities or about the contestants. It’s about the will of the people. And whenever you can understand their intent, it should govern. It’s very clear what 1.7 million people intended here in Florida . Playing a role in the nominating process in a two-party system is just as important as having a vote in the presidential election on Election Day count.

      We know it was wrong to penalize voters for the decisions of state officials back in the 2000 presidential election. It would be wrong to do so for decisions made in our nominating process. Democrats argued passionately. We are still arguing, aren’t we, for counting all the votes back in 2000, and we should be just as passionately arguing for that principle today, here in Florida and in Michigan . It is well within the Democratic Party rules to take this stand. The rules clearly state that we can count all of these votes and seat all of these delegates, pledged and unpledged, if we so choose. And the rules lay out a clear process for doing so.

      With this process, if hope we will honor the will of those who came out to cast votes. Think of how that day was. Workers who rushed to the polls between shifts; students who came between classes, parents who rearranged their family’s schedules, senior citizens who arranged transportation to the polls, all so you could have your votes counted. And whether you voted for better schools for your kids or a secure retirement for your parents, for jobs you can raise a family on, for health care you can afford, to bring your son, your grandson, your daughter or your granddaughter back from Iraq or bring back America’s reputation in the world. Whether you voted for me or Senator Obama or Senator Edwards or someone else, each vote you cast is a prayer for our nation, a declaration of your dreams for your children and grandchildren; a reflection of your determination to ensure that our country lives up to its promise. Each vote is a tool, one used throughout history to break barriers, open doors, and widen the circle of opportunity.

      I remember when President Lyndon Johnson addressed the Congress and the nation urging the passage of the Voting Rights Act. He declared, “I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy.” It was urgent, elevated language, but it was not hyperbole. Now, as back then, those are the stakes. That’s why here in Florida , even when you were told your primary might not count, you voted anyway.

      A Floridian I know from Tallahassee told me about his mother’s canasta club. It’s a group of women in their golden years who gather every week to play cards and visit. They talked about that Florida primary every week as they gathered around the card table. They followed the news closely. They discussed the candidates and their positions on the issues. They knew about the dispute over the primary schedule and the question of seating delegates. And when it came time to vote, like so many other good citizens of this state, the ladies of the canasta club dutifully cast their ballots for the candidates of their choice. They made informed choices. They did nothing wrong, and they should not be punished for doing their civic duty.

      You knew then what Americans know, that this political process of ours is about more than the candidates running, the pundits commenting or the ads blaring. It’s about the path we choose as a nation. If anyone ever doubted whether it mattered who our president was, the last seven years with George Bush should have removed every single doubt from anyone’s mind.

      That’s why you voted, and that’s why I’m running. And that’s why you’ve been organizing and raising your voices, hoping to have your votes count. You refused to stay home then, and you refuse to stay silent now. Because you want to change America ’s future and you have faith that your party, the Democratic Party, will give you that chance. I’m here today because I believe we should keep that faith, listen to your voices and count every single one of your votes. If we fail to do so, I worry that we will pay not only a moral cost, but a political cost as well.

      We know the road to a Democratic White House runs right through Florida and Michigan . And if we care about winning those states in November, we need to count your votes now. If Democrats send the message that we don’t fully value your votes, we know Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them. The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument. Why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic Party to look out for you when they won’t even listen to you?

      Now, if you agree with me, I urge you to go to my website,, and join the more than 300,000 who have already signed our petition asking the Democratic National Committee to count your votes. All 50 states, the District of Columbia , Puerto Rico and the territories will have a chance to play a role in this historic process. Now is not the time for our party to have a dialogue about which states and which votes should count. The people of Florida are all too familiar with where that discussion can lead. In the end, we cannot move forward as a united party if some members of our party are left out. Senator Obama and I are running to be president of all Americans and all 50 states. And I want to be sure that all 50 states are counted and your delegates are seated at our convention.

      So will you join me in making sure your voices are raised and heard so that your votes can be counted? Because remember, it’s been the mission of the Democratic Party, guided always by the understanding that as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said, “the ultimate rulers of our democracy are not the president, the senators, the members of Congress and government officials, but the voters of this country.” In this Democratic Party, the voters rule. So let’s make sure your voices are heard and your votes are counted.

      Thank you, and God bless you, and God bless America .

    118. JAS

      The DNC is not thinking, obviously. By the way, anyone know of the % of women on the DNC?

      If we are under representated in the legislative bodies of the country, what is our representation here?

      I am just curious.

    119. RONALD

      I have a T-Shirt for you.

      I will tell my voters to not vote in a racial manner if you tell yours. HRC

    120. Ron, I would like to modify the T-Shirt as follows:

      I will tell my voters to not vote in a racial manne if you tell yours. You go first. HRC

    121. I took the advice of Universal and Googled hillaryis44. There were nearly 20,000 links to sites. Many of the ones I read don’t mind that we are pro-Hillary, but they strongly object to our being anti-Obama. No one should ever dare to be anti-Obama.

      Some had advice about what should be done to punish people like us. Some of the comments border on the insane. Some are media people who don’t like us having an outlet that disagrees with what they write.

      Mostly it was good to see that we are being noticed. We are not just wasting time while we wait for Hillary to be victorious. You may not want to spend a lot of time reading that garbage, but you may find it fun to look into.

    122. Sherm Kader

      Can you imagine having an outlet that does not agree with the media?

      Heaven, could it be, we are moving more toward a true democracy.

      Now who would want that.

      It would be nice to have the media actually respond on the site instead of come read, sneak away, and attack us somewhere else. For some reason that sounds cowardly.

    123. Another T-Shirt

      The Human Race, which includes Women, needs you to fight with them, not for them.

    124. Well, I, too, googled his44 and glanced through all the hate directed at us. I didn’t realize we were so famous and so important. I thought we were just a group of like-minded Hillary supporters who needed a place to get together and share our views and experiences in this primary election.
      There are sites for Obama and against Hillary where the hated is filthier than anything I could have imagined. I’m so grateful I found this civilized refuge and so grateful for having a chance to say what little I have to say without someone illogically ranting at me, calling me coarse and unjustified names. The degree of courtesy here is very comfortable.
      Thank you, Admin. “These are times that try men’s (and women’s) souls” — how sweet and great it is to have our own place to share thoughts and information, to learn and find encouragement from one another. Thank you again, Admin, and all of you here who support Hillary and one another.

      ATT: Critics of His44… if you don’t like our sewing circle, don’t come here. You surely have enough in your own lives to keep you busy.

    125. Fox spreading news this morning about the NBC problems with MatthewsTimmy and Doberman.NBC smarting from Whitehouse complaints about rearranging news and the negatives from the that gang at MSNBC. Rumors that Tweety is on the unemployment list,Doberman may replace Timmy on MTP.Fox discussion was about the reporters are becoming partisan and are biased.More will be coming out.Looks like the boycott of CNN and MSNBC are becoming effective.Now we need to get rid of the CNN Bunch.Cafferty,Borger,Bernstein,Martin,and their list of Reporters at their worst.I wood love to See Blitzer leading that pack of Wolves going out the door.
      On the oil price outrage,I see the Nigerians have already gotten the news that BHO put out that he is the chosen One.They are blowing up oil pipelines and facilities.I wonder if one of his cousins is involved?

      Hillary is so strong and will survive whatever this nasty group throws at her.Iget so angry and it brings tears when I see how hard she works for us and these forces of evil keep up their asault and insults spouting from their filthy mouths.


      By ABM90

    126. “NewMexicoFan Says:
      May 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
      Heaven, could it be, we are moving more toward a true democracy. ”

      Could it be that the DNC doesn’t actually WANT a true democracy? I had an odd conversation in the airport the other day. A man who identified himself as a Nebraska democrat (are there any of those?) said that the reason Hillary is “hanging in there” is that she is the last gasp of the BABY BOOMERS who feel like they’re losing power to the GEN -X’ers (represented by BO). Why do you think it is that people have trouble understanding that Hillary is not simply “hanging in there” but NECK AND NECK with BO? Also why does this generational argument sound like a cop-out for someone who doesn’t want to mention ethnicity or gender?

      I really dislike all of this labeling. We have an exceptional candidate who is tied with a flawed candidate. His flaws are his problem, he created them and now he has to defend them. But the important point isn’t the “his” verses “her” argument any more than it’s the “black” verses “white” argument or, in the case of this person in the airport, a “Boomer” verses “gen-x” argument. It’s a “viable” verses “no viable” argument damnit.

    127. Baby boomers, the last I heard, are American citizens with voting rights. Don’t try to deny them their rights. I doubt you’ve heard the last of them anyway.

    128. “# Sherm Kader Says:
      May 22nd, 2008 at 10:47 am

      Baby boomers, the last I heard, are American citizens with voting rights. Don’t try to deny them their rights. I doubt you’ve heard the last of them anyway.”

      I hope you’re talking to the guy in the airport and not me. My point was that this is a fight between a qualified candidate and an unqualified candidate and that generation, gender and race aren’t the deciding issues.

    129. Had the chance to see Hillary again at Century Village(a/k/a Cemetary Village) in Boca Raton yesterday. Unlike the VIP events, around 1k or more people in the clubhouse. Hillary was running very late, but as she and Chelsea arrived, everyone was cheering and happy. This is Clinton country and she was speaking to the choir. As noted, she looks about 10 yrs younger in person, and for all she has been through, looks terrific. It was a pretty standard speech , with the demand that Fl delegated be seated as the vote reflected. I will note, however, to my disappointment, she was overly conciliatory to BO…I guess she is being a loyal dem, god only knows why after what the party has done to her.
      Obama comes here today(he was Tampa yesterday) and is speaking at a Jewish congreagation in east Boca. It enrages me that my CCongressman, Wexler, is supporting him as Wexler is very well respected in the Jewish retirement communities so prevalent in my district. Ted Duetch , thankfully, supported Hillary.

    130. Little do you Obamatroms realize we have been holding back here until the primary season is finished. Actually we are a Special Forces unit trained in internet espionage with the intention of using lethal political force against anyone who disagrees with us.

      Thanks for visiting. Now we have your numbers. IP addresses I mean.

      And you thought we were just a bunch of nice gray haired grannies.

    131. morning hill fans………mom’s going home today!! YEA!! (sorry couldn’t help myself LOL ) she has taken over my tv and my puter for days now……..i miss you all!!

      I feel really good about where hillary is at right now……..she’s on fire!!!

      Universal….. I too took a tour de jour of the googleland for hillaryis44

      and was amazed and couldn’t help but GRIN 😀 I did find one site that had quotes from our site…..of course way out of context

      and many of “sonja’s” posts were there and i even found one of mine 😀 you know the one where i said BO might steal the nomination but he will never get the CROWN ….oh so true!! 😀

    132. FIineo

      Interesting observation. I think this might describe somewhat the difference in how older vs younger women feel. Those of my generation were the ones moving from the women stay home to women get educated and work group. The next generation, women did not have to move in that direction, they just went.

      As far as the last Gasp Theory, he have got to be kidding. We can and will devote all our time to working on the gender Sexism NOW. We have the time to do it and no job to interfer. Many also have the money. I think Gen-X is waking up and we will welcome them with open arms.

      Do you see a little of the Gender bias in what he said. Men keep working in Hollywood until they cannot stand up, this is true of Politics also. We accept them getting old, and we support that. The women in Hollywood retire for the most part after their beauty has faded. I also feel like many of the women we have elected to the legislative government are trying to play a men’s game.

      So I view the Bloomer remarks like women of this age group are waiting to die.



    133. Please read Anglachel’s superb essay at

      This should be required reading for every voter.

      FL and MI were Obama’s first test of leadership in a Democracy and he failed miserably. For that reason alone he must not get any votes. I will not vote for him and will do everything in my power to stop him from getting elected.


      The using of our words, really, just means we got to them. Otherwise, they would visit the site and leave.

    135. Gosh you all didn’t you know I was famous!

      Rock on Hillaryis44.

      She will be 44.

      Bwack and Shells will never get anywhere with help from me or my family and extended family.

      The Democratic party seems to want people to be “hicks” when it comes to toeing the party line .. just fall in line .. but they want to chastise “hicks” as racists at their own recourse.

      Got news for all the upwardly mobile, educated folks .. the working class use guts and brains now.

      People will not elect the unqualified dolt to be leader.

      His foreign policy inexperience is already being dessimated by the republicans. It’ll only get worse.

      He’s flip flopping worse than John Kerry ever thought about .. you see where Kerry is don’t you.

    136. FIineo:
      “I hope you’re talking to the guy in the airport and not me. My point was that this is a fight between a qualified candidate and an unqualified candidate and that generation, gender and race aren’t the deciding issues.”

      Not talking to you, merely responding. I would never try to lecture anyone on this forum. I found your post interesting. I wonder if we should start telling seniors the Gen-X Obama supporters are trying to make them obsolete – politically and otherwise.

    137. There must be some truth to the rumor that Matthews is getting ready to throw his hat in the Senate ring to run for The seat held by Arlan Specter.Tweety’s brother is a political hack in PA in the REPUGLGAN Party.Maybe Tweety will change course and move in on achance to get the seat being held by the ailing Kennedy. It will be pleasure to see him rejected in both cases.Maybe The Pittsburgh Post Gazette (our local rag that is so anti Hillary).He can join that demented hateful Maureen Dowd as the voices of evil .Never thought I woul ever say it but I amgoin to switch to the PGH.TRIBUNE.It is owned be RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE and the Banker for the Pursuit of the Clintons by Ken STarr.He recently ENDORSED HILLARY with such very great PRAISE.

      By ABM90

    138. Quinnipiac polls show Obama doing much worse than Hillary in important swing states:

      n=1,419 RV
      McCain 45, Obama 41… Clinton 48, McCain 41

      McCain 44, Obama 40… Clinton 48, Mccain 41

      Obama 46, McCain 40… Clinton 50, McCain 37

    139. Hillary outperforms Obama against McCain in three swing states:

    140. Paula

      Tell them, Not So Fast…..

      He, the DDs (Dumb Delegates) and the DNC need to start reading all the polls, and not just those that agree with them.

      You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force them to drink. American’s go into the voting booth alone in November. They may stay connected with the party, but they pull the lever along. In the Primaries, when that has happened, they let you know where they stand. The Democratic Party needs voters, the Voters do not need the Democratic Party.

      Unity cannot and will not be shoved down our throats.

      The American voters, not the Democratic or Republican parties will determine who the President is in 2008, and we still remember 2000.

    141. Larry Johnson’s latest on No Quarter. He reprints a Gene Lyons column. A must read.

    142. He’s not the nominee yet. He doesn’t have the popular vote. He doesn’t have the delegate vote no matter how much he and his thugs want to cheat and lie about it. And he has the audacity to hold a party saying that he has? He has the audacity to be “looking for a running mate?”

      I am so sick of this guy. I am so sick of the dirty politics being shoved down our throats.

    143. Another must-read — Somerby’s Daily Howler:

      A sample, but please read all of it:

      “According to Judis, the Clinton campaign failed to “appreciate” something that journalists did understand. They failed to see that Obama “was history” (in a good sense)—that he was in a different category from all the regular pols. It was one thing to go negative on McCain/Romney/Clinton—and it was a “different” thing to do this to Obama! And according to Judis, “members of the media” understood this. “As Clinton began treating Obama as just another politician, they recoiled and threw their support to him.”

      Good God! That’s just a stunning statement. And yes, that is what he said. According to Judis, “members of the media” knew that Obama was a special case—a more important historical figure than Clinton. “And as Clinton began treating Obama as just another politician, they…threw their support to him.””

    144. JanH

      I think everytime he does something like that, he is losing ground. It is like shoving something down our throats, like a dictator. Someone is giving him advise that if you act like you have won, you have.

      Guess what. The Internet has changed everything, and we know different.

    145. Great post
      h t t p : / /

      Comments by esmense

      I was too young, with too little skin in the game, to be that emotionally engaged in the election in ’72. My Dad’s incredible anger at the party, his feeling of disenfranchisement, wasn’t something that I personally shared. But, I recognize it now in the emotions being expressed by many traditional Democrats this time around, especially working women — who have been in recent years as important to Democratic victories as Big Labor was back in the 70s. That has made me do a lot of research into the ’72 campaign — reading contemporary reporting, reading some of the books that influenced the thinking of McGovern’s strategists, etc. It has amazed me to discover how similar the thinking of the McGovern people at that time — their assumptions about a “new” coalition that would change the power relationships within the party, their conviction that it was a “Democratic year” in which any Democrat would inevitably win (based on the great unpopularity of Nixon and the war), the message of the McGovern campaign (“reform” that targeted his own party and its constituencies, specifically “Big Labor” lumping them in with Big Business and the Republicans as equal evils, very similar to Obama’s “change” that once again targets his own party — the Clinton administration, older (especially female) activists, etc. — as well or as much as Republicans) and the strategy — their dependence on higher than usual participation of young people, independents and moderate Republicans for wins in the primary races (people George Meany called “$25,000 a year men”), their preponderance of wins in heavily Republican Western states (and failure to capture voters in the larger industrial states), etc. — was to the thinking, message and strategy of the Obama people today. Donna Brazile’s incredibly foolish statement on CNN the other day, positiing a “new” coalition that will eliminate the need to depend on working class votes, isn’t in anyway a “new” kind of political thinking. It is exactly the reasoning that led the McGovern campaign to defeat 36 years ago.

      Will this year be a repeat of ’72? No one can know that. But we do know that the Obama campaign is doing many of the same things that led to disunity in the party in ’72, and making many of the same assumptions that proved both very wrong and very costly in ’72. Perhaps conditions are such that he can win despite the disunity. Perhaps young voters will turn out in unprecedented numbers and the moderate Republicans and Independents won’t return to the Republican party or lose interest once Clinton is defeated. But win or lose, I think there will be consequences for the party long term.

    146. NewMexicoFan,

      I know what you are saying. I just can’t believe that he keeps getting away with all this garbage.

      I hope his “fall from grace” comes soon.

      Enough already!

    147. That was Legitimacy Not Unity 5-21-08
      The above post is Equivocal Oregon Win 5-20-08

    148. Plural: Waffles is a politician, a very good one, but a politician, nonetheless. His “specialness” has been created by the media, and is an illusion for the filth that lies beneath his candidacy. No one comes up in the political world, especially Chicago, unscathed by the cesspool of Chicago-style politics.

    149. ABM90, I love your posts, I read every word! Today you talked about how brave Hillary is, OMG she is absolutely the bravest! You all know a bunch of folks on here have been threaten by the bots, so if we are being threatened, just imagine what Hillary is getting!
      I have always thought I was brave, but I know I would have folded by now if I in her place, but not her she is the bravest and that is what Americans have found out about her. That is what is keeping her voters inspired and that what is inspiring new ones. In the face of grave danger, the woman just keeps going!! She is the bravest!! She is definitely POTUS material and every day that goes by she proves over and over again that “She’s the ONE”.

    150. I don’t know if he’s a good politician or not.

      He’s been protected by the media.

      Actually, as Somerby says, not just protected, but actively assisted.

    151. Yes, the parallels to McGovern are stunning. I had no idea there were so many. That sure as hell doesn’t bode well for November.

    152. Have you ever sat down with someone who flies a confederate flag over their roof, engaged them in a conversation about this election and heard them say I am not a racist, but . . . .

      Well, that is the way I feel when I hear some child of privilege get that whimsical look in their eye while sipping an expensive vintage of wine and say I am not against the idea of a woman president but I cannot support Hillary.

      Sometimes they will claim to be a feminist, advance some archane definition which they carry around in their head, one that is honorific, decorative and out of touch with working people. How can she be a legitimate feminist when she used her husband’s power to get where she is, why didnt she divorce him, ad infinitim. The WashPo article yesterday by camp follower Ruth Marcus is typical of this line of digression.

      I have learned through experience that point by point rebuttal is futile. So I simply respond with the truth, namely that Hillary is a one of our greatest leaders, cite her accomplishments and tell them that the typical reason people say not that woman is because deep in their heart they do not want a woman president period, because at some level of their psyche the idea threatens them.

      Typically, they respond with a denial (I am not a racist) and say she has blazed a path and in the future there will be a woman president in the long run. I tell them that as Keynes said in the long run we will all be dead, and there is no other woman capable of fulfilling this mission in the forseeable future, therefore the pertinent question is do they want a woman president or dont they. Yes or no? If Hillary does not succeed then the forces of sexism will have prevailed and nothing succeeds like success as far as the future is concerned.

      The following article supports this line of argument and I would give it to these skeptics as something to read and consider.
      The ‘Not Clinton’ Excuse

      Who’s Blogging» Links to this article
      By Marie Cocco
      Thursday, May 22, 2008; Page A25

      A woman? Yes. But not that woman.

      It is the platitude of the moment, an automatic rejoinder to any suggestion that Hillary Clinton has struggled so desperately — and so far unsuccessfully — to grasp the Democratic presidential nomination in some measure because she is female.

      It isn’t the woman part, the rationale goes. It’s the Clinton part: that “polarizing” persona and “unlikable” demeanor. The unappetizing thought of President “Billary.” The more inspirational quest by Barack Obama to become the country’s first black president.

      Yet the question remains: If not now, when? If not Hillary, who?

      The record suggests that if Clinton is not the nominee, no woman will seriously contend for the White House for another generation. This was the outcome of the 1984 Geraldine Ferraro experiment. After 24 years, Ferraro remains the only woman ever to run for national office on a major-party ticket. And she was selected, not elected, as a vice presidential candidate.

      “Maybe a generation from now,” says Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. “My feeling is, I don’t see who’s coming after Clinton, and I don’t feel like it’s going to be easy for whoever comes next.”

      The United States already lags miserably behind the rest of the world in electing a woman as head of state. To look around the globe is to see a stark truth: Americans seem peculiarly averse to female leadership.

      Women have had some success in gaining legislative office. Yet only eight women currently serve as governors, the springboard to the White House for four of the past five presidents.

      So which woman, exactly, would be acceptable?

      Readers — that inexact approximation of vox populi — typically answer: Someone like Margaret Thatcher or Elizabeth Dole or Condoleezza Rice or Christine Todd Whitman or maybe Kathleen Sebelius, the Democratic governor of Kansas. The roll call itself illuminates the barriers.

      Thatcher, for instance, never ran for executive office on her own. She became the first (and only) female prime minister of Britain by reaching the leadership of the Conservative Party. That is how many female heads of state have risen — through parliamentary systems that often use quotas to guarantee women legislative seats. Americans don’t like quotas much.

      And we don’t like political wives who strike out on their own. Yet around the world, political spouses, widows and daughters are elected with stunning regularity. Indira Gandhi of India; Corazon Aquino of the Philippines; Violeta Chamorro of Nicaragua; Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan; Cristina Fernandez, the current Argentine president — who succeeded her husband — all rose to power through family connections.

      Here, though, revulsion often is expressed at the prospect of the Bushes and Clintons trading the White House among one another. But the “dynasty” argument didn’t impede other American political families: not the Adamses, nor the Roosevelts nor the Kennedys. It sure didn’t keep George W. Bush from becoming president.

      Though it never sparked the rancor attached to Clinton’s White House drive, Dole’s brief presidential bid in 2000 was a preview. Dole, now a Republican senator from North Carolina, served as a Cabinet secretary in two administrations and headed the American Red Cross. Yet a review of media coverage by Rutgers political scientists showed that when Dole received in-depth coverage, nearly two-thirds of the stories mentioned her marriage to Bob Dole, the former Senate Republican leader and presidential candidate. Elizabeth Dole’s marriage to a powerful politician often drowned out discussion of her own record.

      No woman on the political horizon possesses the portfolio that Clinton brought to this campaign: National name recognition. A record as a prodigious fundraiser — for herself and scores of other Democrats. Winner of two Senate races in New York, a rough-and-tumble state with a trove of 31 electoral college votes and Democratic donors with deep pockets. And a huge, loyal base of support within her party.

      Who can compare? Not Secretary of State Rice. She’s never run for elective office, and it’s tough to run for president with no experience in those muddy trenches. Not Whitman. The former New Jersey governor has openly broken with conservatives who dominate the Republican Party. Not Sebelius. She heads a state with six electoral votes and limited fundraising potential.

      Clinton cleared the hurdles often cited as holding American women back, yet she is unlikely to surmount the final barrier. So you have to wonder.

      Is it something about Hillary, or something about us?

      If the author of the stupid statement is a man I

    153. How ironic there is a movie coming on HBO this Sun at 8:00pm called

      about the 2000 election

      Here it is 8 years later and we are sitll talking about count the votes.

    154. Richardson was in the tank for Obama from the beginning, but Bill and Hillary were too loyal to see it. The guy should have immediately come out for her once he dropped out, and his silence was deafening. he is now angry b/c he is justifiably being vilified by those who understand what an underhanded thing he did. I am sure Bill and Hillary will let him have it privately once this is over.
      The party wants to say “look, we were the first to nominate an AA for prresident” despite knowing full well that Clinton runs circles around him in terns of experience and ability to lead. The sad thing is, if he is elected, it will destroy this party as there is no way he can fulfill his promises, hopes and dreams and keep his base happy. Moreover, god forbide we have a national security issue, I am shaken to the core thinking about who he will turn to for advice as he has zero experince in these issues.

    155. Anglachel explains why as Americans we must reject Bambis call that we be good Germans and support his call for unity:

      The increasing rejection of Obama by voters is a measure of his declining legitimacy. People who once thought they would gladly vote for him, like me, are now implacably opposed to him. He is no longer legitimate in our eyes. He has not sought legitimacy, which would mean facing up to oposition and allowing himself to be challenged, questioned, and probably be found wanting by some people, but has opted to pursue power at any price. Participating in and profiting from the media hatred of the Clintons, throwing out accusations of racism to try to forestall criticism and inflate AA vote counts, encouraging people to be “Obamacans” not Democrats, the “Democrat for a Day” strategy, engaging in intimidation and threats to extract caucus votes, aggressively trying to monopolize money specifically to silence alternative voices, and treating voters who do not choose him first with contempt.
      Lack of legitimacy means relying on force to win. If you have to bully people to make them be quiet, you have lost legitimacy. If you have to remove votes from the contest in order to win, you have lost legitimacy. The objection Hillary supporters have to “teh Rulz” to exclude Michigan and Florida is how nakedly they are used to force the numbers themselves into submission. The rules, as Hillary made clear in her incredible speech today, have a legitimacy problem just like Obama himself because of their instrumental use for the benefit of a particular candidate, not just to the detriment of a competitor, but to the detriment of democracy itself. Insisting on unity as a substitute for legitimacy corrodes the institutions meant to defend democracy. Insisting on unity in order to avoid dealing with dissent is self defeating.

    156. If Anglachel isn’t already on the lists of our anti-Barack resources on HillBillyLover’s and 1950 Dem’s sites, then he/she should be. This person is an excellent thinker and writer.

      We’re just going to continue to pool our resources and stock up on oppo for Barry.


      Just heard this on Limbaugh:

      Obama’s maternal ancestors owned slaves.

      There’s your AA solidarity, right?

      *Rolls eyes*


      Also just heard:

      The FL Dem party is going to sue to have its delegates seated.


      Paul F. Villarreal

    157. Well lookey here

      Rassmussen Nevada

      McCain/Obama 46 to 40
      McCain/Clinton 41 to 46

      Clinton takes another state from under bambi’s nose and whats driving it, could it be the fact that bambis very unfavourable number is higher than Clinton and McCains at 35%

    158. I just read this on USAToday, Bambi is vetting his Veep nominee’s! The man is Bush2, he also stole the Presidency Florida was being recounted. He is arogant, inexperienced, without loyalty, and is a communist. Sounds like BUsh to me!

    159. Does anyone know when the rest of the curtain is coming out or did Bambi squelch that too. If anything bad is about to break, he snuffs it out Chicago style!

    160. Anglachel’s sentence in the last paragraph struck me:

      “Insisting on unity as a substitute for legitimacy corrodes the institutions meant to defend democracy. Insisting on unity in order to avoid dealing with dissent is self defeating.”

      Isn’t that type of thinking or behavior, the beginning of facism?? Unity, as a substitution for legitimacy does sound like facism to me.

    161. Clinton stronger in swing states, polls say

      Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor
      May 22, 2008 10:08 AM

      For a campaign struggling against the inexorable tide of numbers, some new poll numbers out today could provide a lifeline.

      Quinnipiac University surveys of key fall swing states shows Hillary Clinton with sizable leads over Republican John McCain in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, while Barack Obama, who is on the verge of clinching the Democratic nomination, trails McCain in two of the three.

      In Florida, Clinton is ahead of McCain 48 percent to 41 percent, while McCain leads Obama 45 percent to 41 percent, according to the survey.

      In Ohio, Clinton also leads McCain 48 percent to 41 percent, while McCain edges Obama 44 percent to 40 percent.

      In Pennsylvania, Clinton has a 50 percent to 37 percent lead over McCain, while Obama also leads McCain 46 percent to 40 percent.

      The new polls found that 26 percent to 36 percent of Clinton supporters in the three states say they would defect to McCain if Obama is the nominee.

      “The numbers for Florida and Ohio are good news for Sen. John McCain and should be worrisome for Sen. Barack Obama. That is especially true about Ohio, which decided the 2004 election. Ohio’s economy is worse than the rest of the country and the Republican brand there is in disrepute. McCain’s Buckeye lead may be a sign that nationally this may not be the easy Democratic walk to the White House that many expected,” Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement.

      The surveys, conducted May 13-20, have a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points in Florida, 2.8 points in Ohio, and 2.4 points in Pennsylvania.

      Clinton handily won the primaries in each state, though the Florida contest is disputed and neither candidate campaigned. She has been strenuously arguing to superdelegates that she would be the stronger nominee, in part because she would win the key swing states. A Democrat likely needs to win at least two of the three to win in November. Of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House, Florida has 27, Ohio has 20, and Pennsylvania has 21.

    162. Is it not a bit early for him to be looking at vp candidates? When do normal candidates start looking?

    163. pm Says:

      May 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
      Admin, how can we get the full video of that speech? Those bums at MSNBC cut it as she was trying to make an important point.

      pm, when you check in here I just want to let you know the full speech in Boca Raton, FL is now available on C-SPAN. You needn’t worry about CNN/MSNBC talking heads yapping away or the video getting cut-off:

      http: / /

    164. Below is my reponse to an mass email I just received from Sen Claire McCaskill telling me why she is for BO (once in a generation opportunity to vote for a man of change), and telling me that when he is the nominee she has no doubt that the Dems will unite behind him. The word change runs through the email many times.

      Senator McCaskill,
      Thank you for sending your endorsement email of Barack Obama and your conviction that all Democrats will unite to support him. It once again reminded my family, friends, and I of what poor judgement you have and why we will NEVER vote for you again. As a matter of fact, we are so disgusted that we all plan to work and contrbute to ANYONE who runs against you if you seek re-election. We will not forget!

      The more Senator Obama is vetted and investigated, the moe we realize what a crooked, flim flam man he really is. You may have ONLY heard his empty rhetoric of hope and change, however, many of we “typical, white, bitter, Bible toting, gun clinging racist” Missouri voters are more intelligent that that. WE ARE NOT FOOLED BY BARACK OBAMA.

      Please do not waste your time sending us anymore pitful excuses for voting for Obama and asking us for money for him or you.

      We will be voting for the candidate who stand up for ALL of the people, the candidate whohas teh experience and judgement to actually lead the United States of America…HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

      If Obama manages to steal teh nomination by not counting all of the votes in FL or MI and through the very undemocratic caucus system, we will vote without hesitation for JOHN MCAIN. With the biased, vile Donna Braziille, Howard Dean and you leading and representing the Democratic Party, we are being driven out. We no longer want to be a part of this group.

      And, Mrs. McCaskill, we actually are bitter that after a lifetime of being Democrats and standing up for the common person, we are being forced from our party by the likes of Barack Obama and you.


    165. I think we are starting to see some defection in the Ranks. Regular voters must be moving, or we would not be seeing the polls we are seeing.

      This has to make the SDs worried. They are banking their political futures on what they have already publically said. If they cannot shove this down our throats, there are going to be politicans replaced, politicans voted out, and people suddenly finding themselves on the outside looking in.

      So where do we find our first SD defector?

    166. I read a great article by Byron York on RCP yesterday basically stating she has won 3 out of the 4 quarters of this race but was ill prepared for the post super Tuesday caucus’. She is the candidate ending with the momentum and we are being cheated by the DNC /Pelosi /Brazile/Dean by not allowing the SD;s to do their jobs. I listened to Obama’s speech in Tampa on local radio 610 WIOD, and the conservative radio show host, Schnitt, points out that BO will leave this country vulnerable to attack. He stated at least Hillary has been vetted for 16 yrs and we know where she stands, but BO is an unknown, and potentially dangerous choice.
      Lastly, Hillary really does look beautiful in person. I am a 45 yr oold male and my wife and I could not believe how great she and Chelsea look!!! I am ashamed of the sexism othat has so hurt this great woman.

    167. Bill Thinks Politics in Chelsea’s Future.

      From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

      (CNN) — Is politics in Chelsea Clinton’s future?

      Bill Clinton says maybe.

      In an interview with People Magazine, the former president said he thinks his daughter is a natural campaigner who may one day follow her parents into the family business.

      “If you asked me [whether Chelsea would go into politics] before Iowa, I would have said, ‘No way. She is too allergic to anything we do.’ But she is really good at it,” the former president said in the latest edition of the magazine

      Clinton also said Chelsea was deeply upset by her mother’s disappointing third-place finish in Iowa in January.

      “It all changed after Iowa,” he said. “She realized her mother lost Iowa 100 percent because of younger voters. She was upset, bawled, went to her employer and said, ‘Look, you got to let me go or give me an indefinite leave of absence. I’m not letting my mother go down like this.’

    168. jbstonesfan, When I saw Hillary in Waco, I could not believe it either. I think media has been doctoring the photos and the camera lens of Hillary for a long long time, because she absolutely gorgeous and very thin! Its the sexiest media!

    169. Now that we’re all racists because we won’t vote for Obama, it does give the SDs a problem. As I said earlier, racists aren’t going to change by Nov.
      So they can blame us awful people for our bad votes, but it means that they can say goodbye to KY, WV, OH, and FL. It’s a losing argument.

      BTW, the question about “race’ influencing your vote has a lot of meanings. Some AAs vote for Obama because of his race. Some people vote against Obama because Rev. Wright is a racist and, they think, Obama seems to agree with him. Some people are anxious to have an AA as president. Some people are afraid of any deviation from male WASP. Put it all together and it comes to a minority of a minority of voters who rule him out just because he’s half black.

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