Voting For Barack Obama, Part I

Who is this guy? Who is Barack Obama?

Like his logo, Obama is a man without a center, a big zero.

Obama, Napoleon like, will proclaim himself emperor the nominee of the Democratic Party on May 20. Obama does not listen to the will of the people. Obama will not wait for all voters in all states to vote before his imperial declaration of Mission Accomplished. Obama demands delegates apportioned to him from states he has not competed in, like Michigan. Obama will discriminate against the crucial state of Florida, ignoring all the lessons of 2000, and all the voters of Florida.

Donna Brazile: A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.

David Axelrod: The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes.

Will Democrats vote for a big zero? Or, will Democrats go on strike?

Will Democrats allow Big Media to dictate the Democratic nominee?

Already Democrats are preparing to go on strike this election cycle.

Some Democrats are preparing to WRITE IN HILLARY’s name on the November ballot. They are researching the laws in all 50 (not 48 or 57 or 47 or 46 states Barack) states regarding write-in votes. In some states the votes are discarded. But a discarded vote is preferable to a vote for Obama – who is not qualified to be president of the United States. Democrats will vote for Hillary this November regardless of what the Democratic? National Committee plots.

Some predominately woman Democrats are also preparing to go on STRIKE this November.

Midday tomorrow we will discuss the reasons (usually unity and important issues such as gay rights -which is now back on the top of the agenda because of the California marriage ruling, the Supreme Court, ending the Iraq war, judgeships, etc.) proposed for voting for Barack Obama.

Part II of Voting For Barack Obama – tomorrow noon.

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  1. im here..man if they got that video with mo it will send them both home..and out of the race and not ever be near that white house i think they have it..and .the pundits i think have seen it also
    it just when to bring it out…
    never ever vote bo never..

  2. hey-this video is not out guys. gop has it but maybe others do to. that is what larry is trying to find out

  3. When you’re weary
    Feeling small
    When tears are in your eyes
    I will dry them all

    I’m on your side
    When times get rough
    And friends just can’t be found
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down

    When you’re down and out
    When you’re on the street
    When evening falls so hard
    I will comfort you

    I’ll take your part
    When darkness comes
    And pain is all around
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down

    Sail on Silver Girl,
    Bridge Over Troubled Waters
    Simon and Garfunkel

    For All Of Us

    Sail on by
    Your time has come to shine
    All your dreams are on their way

    See how they shine
    If you need a friend
    I’m sailing right behind
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will ease your mind
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will ease your mind

  4. bluegrassbulletin.typepad.com/bluegrass_bulletin/

    leave a comment on the kentcuky bluegrass
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    it made it there

  5. As for going on strike, I’d like to bring this over from the last thread. It’s from my blog at
    h t t p : / /1950democrat.livejournal.com/56355.html?view=2339#t2339

    Stop or We’ll Defect!”

    Some of us Hillary supporters believe that Obama has no chance against McCain. Some of his supporters think Obama does have a chance, counting on our support in November — so we need to show them how many votes they will be losing from our demographic, if they nominate Obama rather than Hillary.

    We’re being called ‘Revenge Bitches’ among other things, but we need — while there is still time — to dissuade the Democratic Party from nominating Obama and following him off the cliff.

    If pledging now to support McCain over Obama is what it take to stop that rush over the cliff, then I think it’s justified — since Obama has no chance in November anyway, with us or without us.

    Some people are already switching and donating to McCain, which is pre-mature. We need to spend our resources for Hillary till August, and certainly for Hillary if she gets the nomination! I don’t want to donate to McCain now only to find Hillary running against him after all.

    As one way to show that we’re serious before it’s too late, I suggest a “congingency donation” fund — a fund to collect donations now that will go to Hillary if she gets the nomination — and to McCain only if Obama gets the nomination.

    Granted this would tie up the money for a while — but it’s better than donating to McCain now, as some people are doing.

  6. this should make your evening

    and the 1st lady’s ooops I mean Michelle’s hair

    Duh what was she thinking

  7. Have been very busy, but try to read as much as I can.

    Is there some problem getting to pink pages using Google or Yahoo?

    I have to get onto site by using a back door…G & Y not working.

    Can’t camp w/ 2 rotator cuff injuries, but would gladly share Motel 8 costs. Live south and slightly east of djia…which reminds me..

    djia:

    are you going to state convention in June in DSM?

  8. BBC just ran BO’s “sweetie” mistake on BBC Worldwide TV broadcast.

    Made him a worldwide fool, saying it is just not done nowadays.

  9. put it in favs then delete the old post then add new post..lol thats what i do..and ya stay signed in ha admin lol..

  10. 1950Dem, and others…

    Rec’d a note from long time Dem from MA:

    “There is a third way:

    1) a HRC write-in will not give to johnnymac, will not reward BO, should he steal the nom, and will send a vote count to Hill.

    2) Others are talking a 4th way: blank vote for president/VP and very strong down ticket for Dems.’

  11. from TM:

    Hillary had a good day I suppose. Texas causes delegates were reversed and put on hold until June 3..(she has a chance at them) Hopefully Nebraska gets looke at.

    NARAL has reversed their endorsment for Obama.

    Women are revolting and have gotten to the boiling point. (I’d try to crank it down a notch on the web-some of this stuff is down right threatening and slanderous)

    Senator Clinton gets to come and enjoy spring in Portland Oregon tomorrow evening in a Town Hall On Local TV.
    it doesn’t get better than that.

    I can hear the glass ceiling cracking.

    Here’s Huffinton Post speil on the NARAL reversal. This one is a nice read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/massive-blowback-to-naral_n_ 101889.html

    Keep on smiling Hillary
    Have fun on KGW.
    We’ll be watching.
    Go Hill 2008

  12. Birdgal
    did a google and yahoo search for obama naral only got stories of endorsement nothing about retraction

  13. From TM;

    Clinton has now won the popular vote in 195 US Congressional Districts, compared to 187 for Obama.
    Including Florida and Michigan, it would be 227 for Clinton and 195 for Obama.

    A virtual tie:
    By June 3rd, no matter how you slice it, this race will be a dead heat.

    Clinton is likely to lead Obama (and McCain) among all votes cast in presidential primaries, even when including the skewed caucus results. Obama will maintain his pledged delegate lead, but it will be narrower than it is now, possibly within 100.

    Of nearly 20 million votes cast and among 4,000 or so delegates, they will be separated by a fraction on both metrics.

    How Superdelegates will decide:
    Now, Obama and his supporters rightly point out time and again that delegates, not popular votes, determine who wins the nomination. True, but only if you get 2210 pledged delegates. Since neither Clinton nor Obama will reach that number — it’s the responsibility of the automatic (or “super”) delegates to vote at the convention.

    You may disagree with the power and authority given to the superdelegates — and the party could change its rules after this election — but that’s for the future. Currently there are no rules requiring the superdelegates to award the nomination to the leader of pledged delegates.

    The purpose of the superdelegates is to ensure that the best general-election candidate, and best potential president, is nominated. Any factor may be considered, including the “will of the people” as reflected in the popular vote. In fact, to overturn the peoples’ choice based on the results of a complex delegate apportionment system (itself in need of reform) could backfire in November.

  14. NARAL has reversed their endorsment for Obama.

    INCORRECT: Massive blowback, but not a retraction. Sorry.

  15. Some good news (I hope). These MA women are really powerful advocates and have held Kerry, Kennedy and Patrick’s feet to the fire. It sounds like Dean is conceding the raw vote total for FL & MI and is acknowledging the caucus problems. We’ll see how vocal he is about this and if there is follow through:

    Thursday, May 15, 2008
    LETTER TO HOWARD DEAN REGARDING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN
    The letter below has been sent to Howard Dean by the Democratic Women’s Leaders, Every Vote Counts, organization (which can be found at COUNTTHEVOTES) which followed a face to face meeting with Dean regarding the seating of Florida and Michigan.

    As you will read, a deal is in the works to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. Dean also acknowledged that the popular vote totals of Florida and Michigan were separate from issues involving the DNC and the delegates and that the raw vote totals were valid. As of now, including the Florida and Michigan popular vote totals, Clinton leads Obama in the popular vote by 25,016 votes, something the media is still ignoring.

    With the issue of Florida and Michigan becoming more crucial every day. people can let their feelings known by calling the DNC regarding the delegates as well as contacting national and local news outlets about the omission of the Florida and Michigan vote totals when reporting the popular vote. Howard Dean’s statement that the Florida and Michigan raw vote totals are valid results should speak for itself. You can also express your feelings to super delegates by clicking here to find a list of super delegates and their contact information at THE SUPER DELEGATES TRANSPARENCY PROJECT

    Democratic Women Leaders
    EVERY VOTE COUNTS

    May 14, 2008

    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chairman
    Democratic National Committee
    430 S. Capitol Street, SE
    Washington, DC 20003

    Re: Meeting with Massachusetts Women Democratic Leaders: Every Vote Counts

    Dear Chairman Dean:
    Thank you for taking the time to meet with us in Providence, RI last Thursday. As you know, the Massachusetts Women Democratic Leaders involved in the “Every Vote Counts” effort includes over 60 men and women, elected officials and leaders in and major donors to the Democratic Party. Eighteen members of the group participated in the meeting, which was substantive and productive. Please consider this letter a follow-up on the essential elements of the discussion and outcomes.

    As we conveyed in our previous letter to you and in our discussions, there is deep concern regarding the delay in seating the Michigan and Florida delegations to the national convention, especially in terms of its impact on the convention nomination and the general election. More to the point, we are concerned that waiting until May 31st to resolve this issue will in fact be too late to have any perceptible effect, and will send the wrong message: on the one hand, delegates are feeling increasing pressure to signal their preferences immediately (if not sooner), but on the other hand the meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee will not occur until the 11th hour. In order to have any impact on the process and to effectively give credence to the voters in Michigan and Florida, we believe the Rules and Bylaws Committee should act before May 31st, if at all possible.

    We are equally concerned that a persistent lack of clarity regarding the status of the state-certified votes in those states has resulted in widespread misperception – in the media, the public and among super-delegates – about the accurate vote totals for both candidates. As we discussed, the DNC’s authority extends to the apportionment of delegates only, and does not affect the validity of those votes. Once they were certified by the Florida and Michigan Secretaries of State, the votes were valid and countable toward the respective candidates’ popular vote totals.

    We believe that the confusion around this issue and the lack of a concrete statement from the DNC has contributed greatly to the frustration of the voters in Florida and Michigan and the damaging perception that their votes are being ignored. It was gratifying to learn that you agree that the DNC’s actions do not in any way affect the validity of these votes, and that you are amenable to making a public statement that clarifies this issue.

    We suggest the following, which speaks, not to the benefit of either candidate, but directly to those whose votes are at issue:

    “The voters of Florida and Michigan, like the voters of every Democratic primary and caucus, deserve to have their voices heard. They went to the polls and cast their votes in good faith. The votes have been certified by the Secretaries of State of both Florida and Michigan, and their validity is not affected by the actions of the DNC. Seating the delegates for Florida and Michigan, however, will be decided by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, but that decision does not affect the votes cast in those states.”

    We were also gratified to hear your concern regarding the process by which state party caucuses are conducted and then utilized as a basis for delegate selection, given what we perceive to be significant irregularities surrounding some of the caucuses, as well as the degree to which delegates selected by means of caucuses (as opposed to primaries) are representative of both the diversity and numbers of the populations which they serve. We also discussed the concerns of coalescing a broad range of voters — whose diversity encompasses a host of issues including gender, race and religious affiliation– behind whoever the eventual Democratic nominee may be.

    Finally this primary season has raised the issues of race and gender to unprecedented prominence. We are extremely proud that the Democratic Party has addressed so forthrightly the issue of racial bias; this profoundly important dialogue, however, has not been matched by similarly substantive dialogue about gender bias, which has been prevalent, virulent, and not confined to the media. In some instances this emphasis is propelling the nation toward a more enlightened view about both race and gender bias. But too often, “the story of women’s suffering has remained untold,” as you so eloquently put it, permitting commentary and remarks that have stunned women by their negativity.

    Just as we expect that our leaders will take an immediate and strong stance against racism, we expect that those same leaders will take an immediate and strong stance against sexism. We believe that women Democrats, and even women who vote independent and some women Republicans, will support the party that finds a way to initiate a national dialogue about the issue of gender as we head into the general election. Likewise, we are deeply concerned about the impact that the failure to promptly address this issue is having and will continue to have on the party strength and unity. We are open to discussing any ideas about the role that the DNC could play in this important endeavor, as the members of our group have spent decades helping women achieve more opportunities at every level of society.

    As we stressed in the meeting, we are Democrats, whose longstanding commitment to the Democratic Party and its principles is beyond question. We are strongly committed to electing a Democrat to the White House in November and look forward to working with you to successfully meet whatever challenges we face in the coming months and beyond.

    With regards,
    Massachusetts Democratic Women Leaders
    “Every Vote Counts”
    http://www.countthevotes.net/,

    (See attached partial list of members)
    Massachusetts Democratic Women Leaders
    EVERY VOTE COUNTS

    Partial Listing of Members:

    Senate President Therese Murray
    Senator Cynthia Creem
    Senator Harriette Chandler
    Senator Joan Menard
    Representative Marie St. Fleur
    Representative Alice Wolf
    Representative Kay Khan
    Representative Lida Harkins
    Representative Ruth Balser
    Representative Katherine Clark
    Boston City Council President Maureen Feeney
    Sheriff Andrea Cabral
    Brookline Selectman Jesse Mermell
    Former Lieutenant Governor Evelyn Murphy
    Former State Treasurer Shannon O’Brien
    Former Senator Lois Pines
    Former Representative Carol Donovan
    Former Representative Anne Paulsen
    Former Representative Susan Tracy
    Barbara Lee
    Angela Menino
    Dr. Paula Johnson
    Katherine Hesse
    Marie Turley
    Elaine Schuster
    Beth Boland
    Shanti Fry
    Ellen J. Zucker
    Elyse Cherry

  16. wow birdgal!

    that is one powerful letter and meeting they had!!

    thank you so much for finding and posting it here!!! 😀

    well kids…… i am off for the night

    see y’all tomorrow!

  17. From a poster over @ LJ’s NQ;

    ” I went to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser tonight in Newport Beach, CA. There were approximately 150 people in the room. It was standing room with a raised dais along one wall. I ended up in the front on the rope line. Hillary came in through the door from the hallway and started working the rope line to the stage. I got to shake her hand and said, “Hang in there Hillary, all the way to the end”. She yelled back, “I will”.

    She then went to the stage, which was approximately four feet on my right and gave about a fifteen minute speech. She spoke about the media coverage and said not to watch the cable channels and read a book instead. She spoke about all the states that she had won and predicted that although Obama would win the delegate count, she would win the popular vote. She mentioned the West Virginia primary and said that the political leader in the last county to post results was a friend of Obama’s. She said that he wouldn’t post the results but the Clinton camp knew they had won so she decided to give her victory speech. He then began posting the county results but posted the worst results first. She said that there would be mixed results in the last few states. She would win Kentucky, he would win Oregon, etc; She asked us to continue supporting her and not to give up.

    It was a lot of fun. I actually couldn’t believe that I was in the same room with Hillary, only a couple of feet away. She’s much smaller in person. Approximately 5′4′. She’s very pretty and looks much thinner than on the television

  18. mj: I don’t know, what the problem is. I find information on TM, and try to post it here, but the links don’t work. I’m sorry.

    Here is link on TM’s comments section:

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/comments.php?postID=27695

    I hope that works. I won’t transfer information anymore. The links don’t transfer over, plus, when I tried them over at TM, they didn’t work either.

  19. BTW, that post from No Quarter comes in a thread with Rove video at the top, him blistering BO and basically saying he’s the weaker candidate, and very matter-of-factly, why.
    They’re really starting to salivate to run against this guy, because as we know republicans are (deservedly) at their lowest point in eons.

    They have nothing else to do but tear into BO, and as LJ said they can’t run shit, but they’re hell on wheels when it comes to Oppo research.

  20. Thanks, bird. i think that is a very big deal. i want Dean to make a statement to the fact ASAP.

  21. LOL@ a comment on abc artcile….an obama supporter addressing us as the “Sisterhood of the traveling pant-suits” lmfao– still trying to get us to get in line!!

  22. Are any of you going to the Texas convention besides me? Let me know, maybe we could meet!

  23. I just want to remind everyone to listen to Steve Corbett tomorrow online. Steve’s a radio show host in Scranton, PA who has came out today and announced that he is sick of being called a racist for supporting Clinton and he won’t be voting for Obama this fall if he’s the nominee. His show was flooded with calls with people thanking him for speaking up. We’re encouraging everyone who can to listen, send him emails and call him if possible. Let’s use this to get some more attention for our cause. Let’s make sure the party leaders know just how angry we are at their treatment of Clinton and Clinton voters.

    It’s time to rock the mic!
    The call in number is 1-570-883-0098

    Here’s the page to email him.
    http://wilknetwork
    .com/Contact-Corbett/1446563

  24. I added a couple of days to my vacation time for the national convention. That way I’ll have plenty of time to drive from Texas! I surely want to be where the action is come August!!!

  25. marie3548 Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 12:41 am
    this should make your evening

    and the 1st lady’s ooops I mean Michelle’s hair

    Duh what was she thinking

    I have always said she doesn’t know how to dress. She needs to have a hair stylist travel with her.
    Please no more sleeveless dresses

  26. What I see is that Obama is a guy with no accomplishments from the time he graduated college to the last year of his Illinois state senate job. Here he is Editor of the Harvard Law Review and he goes to work in Chicago at a medium sized civil rights law firm and proceeds to have a career that befits a graduate of an uncredited nightschool.

    As a civil rights attorney, Obama never led on any cases. He never won any precedent setting suits. He didn’t write any ground-breaking legal briefs. How do you go from the most prestigious law school honor in the US to an absolutely meaningless, eventless career? There is something really, really wrong here. That’s a massive disconnect. A young African American attorney, editor of the Harvard Law Review, can’t find a single civil rights case in Chicago (of all places) to make his name with? No one needed someone with his intellectual abilities to blaze some civil rights trail? To right some gratuitious wrong? Instead, he spends his billable hours rounding up state and city funds for his old friend, Rezko. He gets into the Illinois state senate – which met a whopping 55 days A YEAR back then – and for the first six years, has two amendments passed into law. That’s it. Those are his two big successes from the time he leaves law school, until the last year of his Illinois state senator job when Emil Jones gifts him with legislation.

    What I know about Obama is this – he doesn’t get stuff done. He’s a schmoozer extraordinaire (I think we should give him that) but that’s about it. Look at all of hillary’s accomplishments after she leaves law school – the legal aid clinic, the Board of Legal Services, the Children’s Defense, Children Under The Law, the medical facilities in rural Arkansas, teacher testing, homeschooling programs for kids, micro-loan programs – on and on and on. Obama’s got nothing like that.

    Speaking as someone who does projects and is married to someone who does projects – what I know is this, people who get stuff done have a history of getting stuff done. People who don’t get stuff done, don’t have a history of getting stuff done. Those are patterns long set by the time you hit your forties. Other than winning elections, Obama has no real accomplishments to his name as an adult. That won’t change when he is president. Getting things done doesn’t interest him. He’s bored with the campaign, like Bush, he’ll become bored with the presidency. Just as it is with Bush, it’s all about power with Obama. He’s a bad man. I hope he loses.

  27. “How do you go from the most prestigious law school honor in the US to an absolutely meaningless, eventless career? There is something really, really wrong here. That’s a massive disconnect.”

    That was really terrific, I agre with most everything you said.
    I’ll play devil’s advocate and say BO’s true intent was never to help people or rack up accomplishments for his resume but rather climb the ladder of power, in his case a climb that has gone thoroughly unexaminded (though Pringle’s getting there).
    And on that score, he’s done quite well.

    He may well end up in the whoscow, but until then he’s made it work for him. That’s why the forces for justice must prevail.

  28. i am going to make some calls to oregon later today. my eve off. i will work the weekend thru monday and have tuesday off. YAY! oregon is unique becuase they are almost finishing mailing their ballots. i bet a rush of ballots are being mailed at the last moment friday and saturday.

  29. hillfans, my wife who is not nearly as political as i am but she started reading up on john mccains’s position and she nearly gagged. i think she will either not vote or write in hillary’s name. i have to check the laws in connecticut to see if that is allowed. the war is a sticking point for her. she found out mccain’s iraq war policy was not for her.

  30. Any vote for McCain by me will be more a vote against Obama than a vote for McCain. It is the lesser of two evils.

    Funny, at the beginning if I could have picked my last choice for the Democratic nominee it would have been (and still is) Obama. On the other hand, my first choice for the GOP was McCain. He is the least Republican of those that ran, even though he is certainly a Republican. So the distance between the worst on our side and the best on theirs is not that big.

    Fortunately, we are all working very hard to make this kind of calculation just speculative musing. And to let the Party Bosses know if they come to this site that there is no way in heck that many of us will ever, ever vote for Obama.

    They should support Hillary.

  31. A little information on the women in the video we posted:

    They held a demonstration yesterday at noon as well as the appearance on O’Reilly.

    The video has the email addresses for them (which are HCFPinOH at gmail.com, HCFPinPA at gmail.com, and HCFPinFl at gmail.com).

    They have held an organizational meeting in Columbus, Ohio and are organizing in several states.

    The Chair of the Ohio Democratic Party, Chris Redfern, was not happy with them.

  32. I know its about time but does anyone else think the only reason Conyers is going after Rove now is because he’s about to lay Obama out cold.

  33. Moon,
    Yes.

    After all the hideous shit that hasn’t gotten coverage, this somehow is front page (NY Daily) News. You figure out why, if you haven’t already.

    Middle name Hussein is only one reason terror thugs like Barack Obama

    Friday, May 16th 2008, 4:00 AM

    Barack Hussein Obama wants it both ways.

    Any American who uses his full name is trying to scare voters, his wife charges. But Obama says he understands why Islamic terror group Hamas looks at his middle name and trusts him.

    Ditto for his plan to meet with Iran’s madman president and other rogue leaders. Obama sees his open-door policy as evidence he will end President Bush’s “cowboy diplomacy.” When Bush slammed that plan Thursday as “appeasement,” Obama accused him of a “false political attack.”

    It’s a legitimate attack, because Obama’s kumbaya foreign policy is dangerous. And his name, including the Hussein part, is fair game because Obama has declared it an international advantage.

    He can want it both ways, but he can’t have it.

    The trouble started when Hamas adviser Ahmed Yousef said, “We like Mr. Obama” and added, “we hope he wins the election.”

    That’s an endorsement, plain and simple. When John McCain jumped in, promising to be Hamas’ “worst enemy,” Obama got huffy and accused McCain of “divisive fear-mongering.”

    That’s par for the Obama course. Michelle Obama once said anyone using her husband’s full name is throwing the “ultimate fear bomb. When all else fails, be afraid of his name.”

    Maybe we should be afraid. Consider what Obama says in an interview in the current Atlantic magazine.

    Asked by writer Jeffrey Goldberg if he was “flummoxed” by the Hamas support, Obama responds no and says: “It’s conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, ‘This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he’s not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,’ and that’s something they’re hopeful about.”

    He adds: “That’s a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they’re not confused about my unyielding support for Israel’s security.”

    In fact, there is confusion. Some of it goes to his long relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose church magazine printed anti-Israel views. There is no evidence Obama objected.

    The Atlantic interview adds to the confusion. While Obama stresses the importance of Israel to Jews, he also seems to parrot liberal nonsense that blames the entire Mideast conflict on Israeli settlements.

    He even links Israeli parents’ concern for their children’s safety to settlements, posing the question: “Is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse?”

    WRONG QUESTION. The right one is why should Israel or anyone else meet with Hamas, which won’t recognize Israel’s right to exist and fires rockets into civilian areas? Hamas’ vow to destroy Israel has nothing to do with settlements or borders.

    One question has been answered, though. Now we know why Hamas prefers Barack Hussein Obama. He’s told us himself.

    mgoodwin@nydailynews.com

  34. Hilarious Kansas Poll, Hillary doing better than Obama and he “supposedly” won this state.

    Rassmussen

    McCain/Obama 55% to 34%

    McCain/Clinton 53 to 39%

    Obama’s mother is from Kansas, wasnt he supposed to win there by a landslide and if he picks Sibelius, its no use to him.

    Sibeleius wouldnt even win her own state, lol

    Twenty-eight percent (28%) of Kansas voters are more likely to vote for Obama is Sebelius is on the ticket while 34% say they are less likely to vote for Obama with Sebelius as the Vice-Presidential candidate. Among unaffiliated voters, 30% are more likely and 31% less likely to vote for Obama if he picks the Kansas Governor as his running mate.

  35. Blue Democrat, Good morning! I think we are seeing how they are going to attack bambi if he is the nominee. I am sure they want him as the Dem nominee because he is easy to beat .They do not want to show their hand fully because that might frighten the Dems and might prevent Obambi nomination.

  36. I thought Obama was supposed to start a revolution and win those red states like Kansas that he supposedly win huge in caucuses. Hillary beats Obama in a state he won with 75% in a caucus, I’m pissing myself laughing.

  37. moononpluto, Those caucuses are soooooooo undemocratic they prove nothing. I wish SD realize that. BTW did you see the results of NE and WA primary which had did not reflect the caucus votes.

  38. Yeah so lets see

    Nebraska Primary and Caucus
    Caucus 68% to 32% 26,126 to 12,145 16 to 8 Delegates
    Primary 49% to 47% 46,279 to 43,614
    So real split would be 12/12

    Texas Primary and Caucus
    Primary 47% to 51% 1,358,785 to 1,459,814 61 to 65 Del
    Caucus 56% to 44% 23,918 to 18,620 39 to 28 Del
    So real split should really be about 90 to 103

    Washington Primary and Caucus

    Caucus 31% to 68% 999,2 to 21,269 Delegates 53 to 25
    Primary 46% to 51% 315,744 to 354,112

    Under the primary system the real result would be 42 to 36

    Net gain for Clinton +25
    Net loss for Obama -25

    Repeated under a fair primary system, I bet this would have put them level if not Clinton ahead.

  39. Excellent article in Time online explains cannonization of bambi by the media:

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3941450.ece

  40. Nobody was manning phones in Va hq yesterday. If you want to help right now, the best way to help is to call, call, call

    This is the most important time in her campaign .. she needs her strongest volunteers right now.

  41. basement angel Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 1:49 am
    I just want to remind everyone to listen to Steve Corbett tomorrow online. Steve’s a radio show host in Scranton, PA who has came out today and announced that he is sick of being called a racist for supporting Clinton and he won’t be voting for Obama this fall if he’s the nominee. His show was flooded with calls with people thanking him for speaking up. We’re encouraging everyone who can to listen, send him emails and call him if possible. Let’s use this to get some more attention for our cause. Let’s make sure the party leaders know just how angry we are at their treatment of Clinton and Clinton voters.
    *******************************************************
    EVERYONE THIS IS THE NUMBER TO REACH HIS OFFICE DIRECTLY! Please leave a message with support!

    1-570-883-9800 ext 149
    Here’s the page to email him.
    http://wilknetwork
    .com/Contact-Corbett/1446563

  42. From a blogger!

    I feel like I’m living in some kind of bizarro world where I’m surrounded by people (or sheeple, as we like to call them here) walking in zombie-like trances chanting OH-BAAAH-MA, OH-BAAAH-MA. It’s just awful

  43. winhillay

    you have to experience it to believe it. obamabots behave like creatures right out of “night of the living dead”

  44. I know! I asked a dear friend why he supported him and he said that he wrote a great book, and that he always wanted Obama to be president even before he ran. Ok, so i asked him what he thought now, and he said he did not care, he likes him and that is it, but he would like Hillary if she won…He is off the hook. 😉

  45. Mika on MSNBC just said that Hillary announced she probably wouldn’t be the nominee. I have a feeling this is a lie because all they have had is propaganda on that station for almost a year. Anyone know anything?

  46. That was an amazing letter by the Democratic Women’s Leaders, Every Vote Counts Organization.

    My questions: Why haven’t Dean and Brazille come right out and said that the DNC has no authority to dismiss the vote count in Florida and Michigan? Would it have ever come out if this brave organization hadn’t shoved it in Dean’s face? Why hasn’t he made a statement yet? So bending/distorting the rules is okay for the DNC as long as it benefits Obama?

    What does this say about the meeting to be held on May 31st? Does anybody really believe that “fair play” will be the order of the day???

  47. just posted less than an hour ago on the kypost.com …….

    Sen. Hillary Clinton will have a rally in Kentucky on Saturday although the campaign headquarters hasn’t yet said where.

    She also will stop in Northern Kentucky at a private fundraiser at the Fort Mitchell home of super delegate Nathan Smith.

    No word yet on any visits to the area by Sen. Barack Obama.

    Democratic voters will choose between Clinton and Obama on Tuesday in the Kentucky primary election.

    A record 2.8 million Kentuckians are registered to vote in the primary election. Of those, 1.6 million are Democrats. A SurveyUSA poll earlier this week showed Clinton with more than a 30 point lead over Obama.

  48. IRISH!!!!!

    IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!! STOP SAYING THAT!

    ‘Andrea M. reported this morning on NBC/MSNBC that the Clinton campaign is saying it is over…NO they are not…A person from her camp was on and said the MSM should stop saying this because it is not over and they should let the people vote…’
    30yrdem | Homepage | 05.16.2008 – 08:48 am

  49. Irish1139, You can discount every thing Mika says she has her father and brother working on BO’s campaign. MSNBO(barack) is BO’s propaganda arm. They are just are trying to depress the vote in Ky.

  50. ok let me get this straight…

    clinton camp said “quit saying it’s over let everyone vote”

    and andrea and mika go on air and say that clinton said it was over?

  51. Chris Redfern, the majority leader in Ohio being pissed at the Columbus women is worth nothing to me.

    I am from his electorial area. He has gotten where he is by accident and using women. So now he is upset because these women will not sit down and shut up.

    He is a super delegate, and he has not declared. I have witten him a couple of times as I know him. So tell me, it looks like he has declared for Obama. The big question is his district and his state went big time for Hillary, so why has he not declared.

    Another Judas where the voters have told him, and he is giving them the finger. (Sorry to be so crude, but I know this young man, and he has never even held a full time job, so how he can think he knows more than the voters angers me, another Dumb Delegate).

  52. Who has msnbc’s number, lets ask for mikas resegnation! She has no right to say something that is not true! I am a bad speller!

  53. themoderatevoice.com/hickenlooper/19664/denver-site-of-dnc-the-scramble-to-pay-for-it/

    Denver, Site of DNC: The Scramble To Pay For It

    May 15th, 2008 by DR. CLARISSA PINKOLA ESTÉS, TMV Columnist

    What with the city of Denver trying to make space for Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of Speech for the thousands of protesters who say they’ll be showing up at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August… including “Recreate ‘68″ and “Code Pink” and “Free Mumia”…amongst others

    too, there appears to be a slow-down in raising the promised private money to pay for the convention.
    Mayor John Hickenlooper and his proponents for the DNC, have fundraising deadlines. According to The Denver Post,

    The host committee fell $5 million short of meeting its March fundraising goals, and still has to reach $40 million by June. Fundraising difficulties are one reason mid-size cities such as Denver are often overlooked for hosting political conventions.
    Recently, the Democratic National Convention Committee raised concerns publicly about Denver’s fundraising for other events, such as an arts event and film festival, and a concert at Red Rocks.
    The DNCC took the unusual step of airing its concerns in a written statement, which very pointedly said the city ought to be selective in staging auxiliary events and keep focused on its contractual fundraising obligations.
    That very public hand-slap seemed to take Hickenlooper aback, who told The Post, “They should call me and talk to me about it. I’m happy to sit down and explain to them that obviously we understand the importance of putting on a good convention.”
    Hickenlooper, who has largely taken the lead on fundraising, has said he remains focused on raising money for the convention, but if a potential donor is interested in supporting something other than a political convention, he steers them to the cultural events.

    The mayor has promised that no taxpayer money will be used to pay for this convention. That’s good, for there are many Republicans, Independents, Libertarians and people who are disenfranchised from any political leaning, who definitely don’t want to finance what one old cowboy I talked to, called: “the Dems’ Prom Night.”

  54. If you want to know what Hillary is doing, go to her website.

    Here’s a beautiful story:

    blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/05/14/223454

  55. clintondem

    I didn’t see the video but I read a dozen comments at TM and they all said it was a false rumor.

    GOOD MORNING everyone.

    Hope Universal pops in with some of his great battle rhetoric. 😀

  56. Contact Chris Redfern and tell him that he shouldn’t be upset at people that want to be heard! Please this is very important!

    Address:
    77 S. High St
    10th Floor
    Columbus, OH 43215-6111
    Telephone: (614) 644-6011
    Fax : (614) 719-6980
    Email Address: district80@ohr.state.oh.us

  57. This is the direct number to reach Chris Redfern, i was told by his phone person that he will speak to people if they call!

    614-221-6563

  58. Andrea Mitchell travels with Hillary. Why doesn’t Hillary tell the broad to keep her mouth shut. She is another one that is on television today saying Hillary’s staff told her Hillary knows she won’t be the nominee. i can’t stand that woman and I don’t know why she gets to travel with Hillary and release all this gossip when she gets on TV. Hillary needs to tell her to shove off.

    Basil 9. The Obama/oil story wasn’t about Nicaragua but Nigeria. Here is the website:

    Source: Reuters 04 May 2008
    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04445785.htm

  59. “It appears things are going on the wrong direction”

    Gezahegn, I am curious to know on what factual foundation you are basing your very learned observation. If you don’t have something useful to say, please keep it to yourself. Thanks.

  60. Morning everyone! I’m trying to figure out the Clinton team’s game plan. I get that their argument to the remaining uncommitted supers will be she is ahead in the popular vote if you include MI and FL. However, BO leads in pledged delegates & has passed her in supers right now, or I should say the # of sd endorsements because nobody has actually voted yet. If I’m wrong on that then please correct me. So is their thinking that HRC will be able to sway the remaining SDs to her or that some of the supers who have endorsed Obama will switch to her? Oh and what is the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination? I thought it was 2025 but lately I’ve been seeing all sorts of figures. Clearly Hill still thinks she can win so I’m just trying to get a better idea of her path forward.

  61. bmerryfield – if you’re out there

    saw a carol shea-porter bumper sticker on my drive home yesterday. made me wanna puke. i am committed to vote for whoever runs against paul hodes in my district.

  62. nikki22, SD endorsements are just that they could change their minds any time. It is not final till they vote in Denver.

  63. Lincoln Chaffe was Republican tutned independent. I do not believe that he is neithe a Democrat nor a SD???

  64. Come on all. Let’s not get sucked into the media’s standard of refusing to use our brains. We know already by now that most people working for the media could not have made it past remedial math class. So how many times do we need to repeat this!!!

    The magic number of delegates needed to secure the nomination will not be reached by either candidate by the end of the primary season. There is nothing in the rules that says the one with the highest number wins. This is false, has been put out there by the Obama camp and is now accepted and preached as truth by the media. The DNC has refused to publicly set the record straight and lets this lie be taken as granted. Nonetheless, it is false.

    Therefore, the one with the highest number of votes, including MI and FL, will have an equally credible argument to be made the nominee as the person with the highest number of delegates. Why? Because neither has passed the required delegate line to win outright.

    Unless one of the candidates drops out, this will have to be decided by the formal voting procedure at the convention in Denver. These are the rules.

  65. Thank you. I haven’t watched any tv for a couple of weeks, and it has helped. I have been getting my information from a few different websites, but I stay away from the toxic ones.

  66. If you can get past the sloppy journalism or near propaganda that says the person with the highest number of delegates is the winner, here is an article that addresses Obama’s problem with white working class Americans (the majority of the US population). This is just the start. I hope the Supers and DNC are reading things like this. The CSM is not a small newspaper.

    csmonitor.com/2008/0515/p02s03-uspo.html

  67. paddy4Hill, I really hope those SDs to think real hard and nominate a strong candidate that is Hillary. The democratic party has a habit to nominate a weaker candidate in every election cycle since 1968 except 1992 and 19968.

  68. So when the Delegates, and I refuse to call them super, go against the voters, who are the marjority women, what exactly are they saying to them.

    Sit down and shut up
    I know better than you (smarter or more political savy)
    I got a better offer from the other candidate
    I am more important in the Democratic party than you are

    There are certainly not showing they are accountable to the people that elected them.

  69. Looks like they are trying to make videos to justify Obamas sweetiegate! Please if you are running for president don’t call me f ing sweetie! Please who are these people! Abc can be just as bad at times!

  70. According to MSNBC Pete stark of CA whose district Hillary won Overwhelmingly has endorsed Bambi. She won his district 58 to 39.

  71. Keep pounding in NARAL….it will make others think twice and the powers that be will see the power we can wield. We can use our response to NARAL to send a message to everyone.

  72. wasn’t there a situation, maybe PA, where BO was trying to sway an uncommitted voter by asking her if she wanted him to kiss her??? the guy is just sickening!

  73. So much for listening to the voice of the people. What a farce of an election Unbelievable, that it is being hijacked by the liberal elite. I am out of this party.

  74. So worst scenario: if it comes to Obama having more delegates and Hillary having the popular vote, all hell is going to break loose if the DNC/convention decides the delegates are more important than the people of the United States. Wow! I think the Democratic Party might as well change its name or ad “Un” as a prefix.

    Best Scenario: The DNC and delegates (including superdelegates) suddenly have a flash of guilty conscience and do the ethical thing:

    MAKE HILLARY 44! 🙂

  75. Here’s an interesting analysis of the Congressional Democrats by Sidney Blumenthal:

    “Whatever the flaws and errors of the Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, the congressional Democrats enormously intensified their difficulties. The congressional party in effect waged war on the executive, constantly asserting narrow interests over national agendas and demonstrating contempt for the damage it inflicted on the political standing of the president. In dealing with Carter, Congressional Democrats displayed that they had learned almost nothing from the Nixon landslide of 1972 and the gathering advantages of the Republicans, perhaps because it was followed so swiftly by the Watergate scandal overthrowing him. By 1979, the congressional Democrats considered Carter the enemy. Senator Edward Kennedy’s candidacy was really mounted by the congressional Democrats against an incumbent president of their own party. After all, they reasoned, wouldn’t the congressional party always hold power even if the president were to lose? And wouldn’t the congressional party be even more influential operating with a Republican president? That very condescension greeted Bill Clinton when he arrived in Washington in 1993. ”

    more:

    http://www.harpers.org/subjects/NoComment

  76. paddy4Hill,
    Thank you. I’m getting really frustrated about all of this. Its like you hear and read different things about delegates required, sds, MI and FL almost every day. The DNC should really step up to the plate and make their rules a lot clearer for voters to understand.

  77. birdgal

    should the SD’s cave and hand this over to BO, i think we should propose a national day of independence from the DNC. we could set a date for all disenfranchised dem voters to re-register as independents and pledge to vote mccain in november.

  78. nikki: what makes you think, the dnc is going to do their job? most of them are in the tank for waffles.

  79. The DNC does not want to make their rules clearer, as they want to interpret them. That unfortunately is part of the game here.

  80. I really would like to see the voter win, and the Delegates lose. That would restore my faith in the Democracy.

  81. Let’s put a hypothetical scenario to use to illustrate something. Let’s just say for arguments sake, that come June, lots of SDs have said verbally that they are for Obama. The DNC does a poll and says Obama has enough delegates to secure the nomination. They ask Hillary to drop out for the sake of the Party that has loved her so much. She refuses. Between June and August she continues to campaign. Polls begin to move her way. Another scandal comes out against Obama. Polls show a big erosion of support for Obama. He and the DNC keep insisting he is the nominee. Media agrees. But Obama keeps dropping in the polls, Americans very angry at the Obama situation, and Hillary has won the popular vote.
    Denver. Showdown at the OK Coral. At the last minute, many SDs get cold feet and when it comes time to raise their hands, they vote for Hillary, even though they had earlier told the DNC they were for Obama. Since she is less than 100 pledged delegates behind, she becomes the nominee.

    This is not all that far fetched. Much stranger things than this have happened at political conventions.

    The moral of this story is nothing counts until Denver unless one of them drops out.

  82. *** On the trail: Clinton is in Oregon, where she campaigns in Springfield and Salem before heading to Portland to participate in a televised town hall with undecided voters; McCain stumps in West Virginia and then travels to Louisville, KY, where he speaks at the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting; and Obama is in South Dakota, where he holds a rural town hall in Watertown and attends a rally in Sioux Falls. Also, Bill Clinton makes five stops in Kentucky.

  83. clintondem99 Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am
    According to MSNBC Pete stark of CA whose district Hillary won Overwhelmingly has endorsed Bambi. She won his district 58 to 39.

    I hope the voters remember him. Going against the voters.
    This is one of the reasons i am done with the democratic party. Plus Judas. After Hillary wins the nomination. How unfair is this .

  84. oh of course the kooks are all over what andrea bitchel and Mika “my heart is yours obama” had to say today on messnbc

    they will believe anything!

  85. I just made a bunch of calls to West Paducha Ky. I plan to make some more in the after noon. Please make calls. We should try to run up these numbers.

  86. THE RULES ARE THE RULES. HERE THEY ARE.

    At http://www.democrats.org/a/convention_2008/delegate

    select “Delegate Selection Rules” at the bottom to see all 27 pages of the delegate selection rules. Page 24 has two very pertinent sections ($$$ indicate my comments):

    C. 1. a. Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party
    provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes
    the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior
    to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the
    event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after
    such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to
    the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by
    fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty
    (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National
    Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from
    that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In
    determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s
    delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the
    nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the
    next nearest whole number.

    $$$ This spells out that the penalty is 50% for states that jump. It does not specify 100% for some states. It does not specify discretion to lower the penalty either (0% penalty for the four other states who leapfrogged, which are supposedly: NH, SC, IA, NV). Can we confirm that those four states also jumped the calendar, to see when they were supposed to vote, and when they actually held their votes?

    b. A presidential candidate who campaigns in a state where the state party is in
    violation of the timing provisions of these rules, or where a primary or caucus is
    set by a state’s government on a date that violates the timing provisions of these
    rules, may not receive pledged delegates or delegate votes from that state.
    Candidates may, however, campaign in such a state after the primary or caucus
    that violates these rules. “Campaigning” for purposes of this section includes,
    but is not limited to, purchasing print, internet, or electronic advertising that
    reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state; hiring
    campaign workers; opening an office; making public appearances; holding news
    conferences; coordinating volunteer activities; sending mail, other than
    fundraising requests that are also sent to potential donors in other states; using
    paid or volunteer phoners or automated calls to contact voters; sending emails or
    establishing a website specific to that state; holding events to which Democratic
    voters are invited; attending events sponsored by state or local Democratic
    organizations; or paying for campaign materials to be used in such a state. The
    Rules and Bylaws Committee will determine whether candidate activities are
    covered by this section.

    $$$ Here, we see that Hillary deserves her FL votes, because she waited until the voting was over BEFORE her plane hit the tarmac. Here, we alse see exactly why Obama HAS TO LOSE HIS 33%

  87. I still can’t believe NARAL went for Baquack Obamailure. If we can’t count on NARAL to support women, I don’t know what this country is coming to.

  88. I hit Submit accidentally, to finish up my point from 11:19am…

    “Campaigning” for purposes of this section includes,
    but is not limited to, purchasing print, internet, or electronic advertising that
    reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state”

    $$$ Here, we alse see exactly why Obama HAS TO LOSE HIS 33% of FL delegates. He deliberately tried to skirt around the “electronic advertising” prohibition by doing a national ad buy that was WIDELY seen in Florida. The key words from the rule book is “advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters”. If the DNC is loathe to punish him 100% of his FL delegates, they could be nice and take away 50%, in case it falls into a gray area.

  89. Looks like we are headed for another blowout in Kentucky.

    ARG who correctly got WV right, saying 66 to 24 last week. Their new poll for Kentucky today is

    Clinton 65% to Obama’s 29% yo 4% someone else

    Look at the last paragraph here to know how much Hillary is going to win Kentucky in a landslide.

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 56% to 38% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 72% to 21%.

    Clinton leads 73% to 21% among white voters (87% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 91% to 7% among African American voters (11% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Clinton leads 59% to 35% among voters age 18 to 49 (46% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 71% to 23% among voters age 50 and older.

    12% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 50% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

    americanresearchgroup.com/

  90. ARG oregon new and not all bad for Hillary

    Its 50 to 45 and 5% undecided. This may be closer than we thought.

    Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 57% to 39% among men (48% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 51% to 44%.

    Obama leads 51% to 44% among white voters (88% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 50% to 46% among Hispanic voters (6% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Obama leads 55% to 38% among voters age 18 to 49 (49% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 52% to 45% among voters age 50 and older.

    Clinton and Obama are tied at 49% each among voters saying they have returned their ballots (58% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Obama leads 52% to 40% among voters saying they will definitely return their ballots by May 20th.

    20% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 22% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

  91. moon, that is good to hear. Now if she can only pull out Oregon, hopefully people will see that there are problems with The Messiah. We can’t win without hard-working white voters. Lattes and AA’s do not a winning coalition make. Once the supers see this, they can’t support Baquack Obamailure. They HAVE to support her; they just HAVE to!

  92. PHONEBANK .. that is the best you can do for Hillary right now.

    Bombard MSNBC with email that Andrea Mitchell lie was disputed by Hill’s team and they need to retract.

    Contact remaining sd’s with polite support for Hillary.

    Pray, meditate, channel positive thoughts to Hillary and her team.

  93. Are Dems Determined To Lose FL and MI In The Fall?
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008

    The Associated Press interviewed a third of the [DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee] members and several other Democrats involved in the negotiations and found widespread agreement that the states must be punished for stepping out of line. If not, many members say, other states will do the same thing in four years.
    (Emphasis supplied.) The blithe lack of concern for November 2008 is revealing. Who cares about winning Florida and Michigan in the Fall? Apparently not the DNC. Let’s hope Barack Obama does care.

    By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

  94. Imagine if we had a blowout in KY and just managed to pull even or just pull out a win in Oregon, it would be Hallelujah day for HRC.

  95. dot48, I lit my candle. Rise Hillary Rise. You shall overcome. I am so grateful that we have people like Maya Angelou suporting Hillary. Every time I watch her video I feel proud.

  96. I think I heard that the gap was closing in Oregon. Is Hillary spending much time there?

    The population of KY is somewhat greater than the population of OR, and a very minor loss in OR would be EASILY overpowered by a significant win in KY, which there is no doubt whatsoever that she will have. Her boost in the popular vote will be very significant…more evidence to persuade undecided superdelegates to go our way.

  97. tabbylady – You are so right. I realize that not very many AAs support Hillary, but the ones that do are always the best ones.

  98. So when can we say that 91% AAs voting for O in KY is racial. The KY have already been told that if they do NOT vote for O they are racial. In my wildest dreams I could not have imagined this primary.

    The voters need to take the Denicratuc Party back. The Rs us the winner take all, and no SDs. I am beginning to wonder why I became a Democrat.

  99. I’m laughing at the poll saying 50% of Democratic voters in KY that will not vote for BO in the primary, I mean, they should just call KY for her right now, lol.

    In Oregon 20% wont vote for her and 22% will not vote for him.

  100. Bottom line, is there any chance our lady can still make it, and if not, what does she deserve for being subjected to most biased ampaign in modern history..

  101. It’s easy to become cynical when so many AA’s go for Baquack Obamailure, but you really do have to remember how we have so many people that go through so much harrassment to support Hillary — while there are bad AA’s who are spewing irrational hate like Wright, there are so many good ones too like Maya Angelou and (my personal favorite) Stephanie Tubbs Jones (she has so much energy, I love watching her LOL). AA’s are an important part of our coalition, and Hillary will need them in November. Most of them will support her in the end. We really can’t forget that they will be on our team. We’re just having an inter-family squabble right now. 🙂

  102. moononpluto – If she is going to, we have to work for it. I mean, REALLY work for it.

    And keep her in our thoughts…I still like the candle-lighting thing.

  103. tabbylady – AAs rushed over to Obama after strongly supporting Hillary in 2007. I’m sure they’ll be somewhat disappointed when Obama is not chosen as the nominee, but I know they’ll get over it.

  104. The polls today from everywhere is great for Hillary

    Rassmussen

    Arkansas

    McCain/Clinton 33 to 53
    McCain/Obama 57 to 33

    Clinton wins by 20, Obama loses by 24

    Rassmussen Kansas

    McCain/Clinton 53 to 39
    McCain/Obama 55 to 34

    He won that state in caucus 75 to 24 and yet loses by 21% worse than Hillary does at 14%.

    The poll also says, Sebelius would be no use to him in Kansas.

    I mean theres your electability arguments right there.

  105. moononpluto,

    If she could manage to win every signle primary left, she will definitely be the nominee.

  106. meiyingsu – We need to convince the SDs too. Winning every state left would help a lot in the argument, but we NEED to convince the SDs not to take Obama’s crap when he’s claimed he has “won” on May 20th.

  107. This has set the groups back instead of uniting them. I have many amoung this group, that I cannot discuss this election with. I really don’t know what will happen.

    I hear the family fight stuff, but to my knowledge I don’t think there has been a seperation like this in the Democratic Party. I guess I will have to wait and see.

  108. What is the site for the candles again? I personally prefer to light real candles, but my husband gets mad at this. I have about a dozen of them lit and he says that it is a fire hazard. I don’t understand why candles are so threatening to a grown man, but what can you do? He goes around snuffing them when I am not looking. I tell him that those candles are for Hillary but he does it anyway. Sometimes marriage can be frustrating. I love candles. I think that they are soothing.

  109. Pollster on MSNBC: Obama 55 – Clinton 35 Oregon.

    BTW, has anybody seen the Obama flyer in KY?

    In this flyer, Obama says:

    “my faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want, but I won’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I go out and do the Lord’s work.”

    Very Interesting. Didnt Huckabee got in trouble campaigning under the Lord’s banner?

    riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2…-for-kentucky/

  110. moon: I lifted that off a different board, so some of the polls are different, but MSNBC always paints the worse case scenario for Hillary.

  111. “my faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want, but I won’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I go out and do the Lord’s work.”

    holy crap. what a puke-fest.

  112. actually downplaying the Oregon possibilities/expectations would make a bigger win that much more valid as well as give the other side less fodder to attack her with if he does better than the polls say at the moment. Can’t be complacent/need to get out the vote and work that much harder supporting her.jmo

  113. “my faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want, but I won’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I go out and do the Lord’s work”

    LOL…Hannity and the Republicans will have a field day with that statement. Wright part II! 😉

  114. Don’t tell me to shut up you putz.

    You come on this board…..with no constructive comments….it is constant “no way we can win crap” hidden behind false support. How many constructive suggestions have you made?

  115. I have a mission statement, folks. I’d be interested in any feedback that you have.

    As Clinton supporters, we are deeply disturbed by the misogyny both displayed and tolerated by the media, Democratic party officials and office holders, and the campaign of Barack Obama. We demand the following:
    1. that the misogynistic rhetoric against Clinton and her supporters be deemed unacceptable, ceased immediately and receive the same outcry that overtly racist rhetoric would.
    2. that the calls for Clinton to concede her campaign cease immediately.
    3. that Michigan and Florida be fully counted and their delegates seated before the nomination is decided.
    4. that Barack Obama not declare himself the nominee before the convention, and the media cease to regard him as such.
    5. that any discussion that labels statements from the Clinton campaign as racist, and assumes that Clinton supporters are racist by virtue of their support for Clinton cease immediately.
    As lifelong Democrats, we are fully prepared to skip voting in the presidential race if our demands are not met, and if Obama is the nominee. Further, if the Democratic party proceeds with the contempt it has thus far displayed towards Clinton voters, we will refuse to vote in down party races as well.

    We support Hillary Clinton in her quest for the Democratic nomination for the presidency because we feel she is the best candidate for the job, based on her decades long record of progressive accomplishment, her exceptional record as First Lady of both Arkansas and the US, her accomplishments as senator from New York, her platform and her performance on the campaign trail. We admire her ability to tackle and complete projects, her demonstrable values and her tenacity.

  116. You have called me names since day one and quite frankly, I have taken the high road. I even stopped posting because of your comments for a few days. You have no right to question me or my loyalty to the Clintons and I am fed up with it. I am asking the administrator to contact me via e-mail and I will be glad to share my bonafides with him/her. There have been hundreds of comments by many who are discouraged, but you have selectively called me a troll numerous times. It is offensive and more importantly, untrue.

  117. Bambi is so off his game today in watertown Sd………….anyone else catching it on cnn?

    he cant talk policy since he now has to “explain” himself and take shots at McCain LOL!!!

    he just sounds like a big whiney baby to me

  118. jb,
    Than just be constructive….talk about the calls you’ll make. make suggestions about where/when to blog, letters to sds, letters to the editor, etc. Don’t keep talking about how we can’t win.

  119. OPERATION TURN DOWN OBAMA 3 P.M. TODAY

    campaign to let the DNC know that true Democrats where not voting for
    Obama. The phones lines lit up; calls came from state after state,Looks like Steve Corbett PA Radio host at wilk network has caught the
    attention of The DNC, yesterday Corbett launch Operation Turn Down
    blogger from a site called Confluence and others posted Corbett
    Operation Turn Down and the blog sphere was at a buzz. State after
    state voters calling and pledging they would under no circumstance vote for Obama this has to be the DNC nightmare. Operation Turn down
    continues Friday at 3 p.m. EST tune in folks this is going to be huge.
    http://wilknetwork. com

  120. i don’t think that this is the place for “negative thoughts” or comments

    if you have them……keep them to yourself or share them somewhere else.

    just not here!

  121. jbstonesfan,

    I don’t think you are a troll. I think that label is thrown around too easily. Yes there are those out there, but I’d rather give anyone the benefit of the doubt than go on the attack.jmo

  122. Saw this on TM…..couldn’t agree more….

    This November:

    1. A write-in vote for Clinton, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA

    2. A vote for nobody, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA

    3. A vote for McCain, IS A VOTE FOR CLINTON

    Because:

    1. If Obama wins in the fall, Hillary will never be President and her and Bill are sent out to pasture as the Democratic party becomes the party of the Obamas

    2. If Obama loses in the fall, Hillary becomes the de facto leader of the Democratic party and presumptive nominee in 2012

    Will you allow the DNC and MSNBC to take away vote, or will you take material steps to re-take control of your party and your country?

    It’s up to you!

  123. Obama’s work for God’s is getting kickbacks(campaign donations) from Rezko and Co. out of the hard earned Teachers Retirement Pension Plans. He let people in his own district in Illinois freeze in one of the worse winters in history, HOW’s in that God’s work? He better be careful saying those things in a lightning storm!

  124. NOTICE REGARDING CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT TOO ORGANIZATION

    As has been blogged and seen on the O’Reilly Factor last night, there is a group of women from Columbus, OH that are organizing to the disenfranchising of MI and FL voters and the sexism that has been exhibited in the Democratic Primary election.

    I just hung up the phone with Jamie Dixey who is one of the organizers. She asked me to relate that they are completely unindated with responses to their cause and their gmail accounts are being swamped. The FL and MI addresses are closed because the mail box is full. She is asking that all of us hold tight. They have an internet expert coming in today to help them with alternate email addresses, setting up some web site and forum and more information will be available after the weekend. They are also setting up an office in Columbus and one has already been set up in PA.

    She is contacting the admin at Hillary is 44 for help. She is fully aware of us and is so excited because she knows the people here know how to get the job done!

    She also wanted me to express that campaigning for Hillary should not stop. That this protest should not get in the way of helping to GOTV, because that is the most important thing at this time. Hillary is going to be our nominee and we need to keep working on obtaining that for her.

    There is a protest in Washington, DC scheduled for May 30 and May 31, when the DNC meets to address the problems with MI and FL. To date, there will be 50,000 protestors. More information will follow for those that want to demonstrate and participate.

    So, hang on…keep getting out the vote and stayed tuned. We are in this fight!!!!

  125. This is what we need….action, action, action……fight, fight, fight

    May 14, 2008

    The Honorable Howard Dean
    Chairman
    Democratic National Committee
    430 S. Capitol Street, SE
    Washington, DC 20003

    Re: Meeting with Massachusetts Women Democratic Leaders: Every Vote Counts

    Dear Chairman Dean:
    Thank you for taking the time to meet with us in Providence, RI last Thursday. As you know, the Massachusetts Women Democratic Leaders involved in the “Every Vote Counts” effort includes over 60 men and women, elected officials and leaders in and major donors to the Democratic Party. Eighteen members of the group participated in the meeting, which was substantive and productive. Please consider this letter a follow-up on the essential elements of the discussion and outcomes.

    As we conveyed in our previous letter to you and in our discussions, there is deep concern regarding the delay in seating the Michigan and Florida delegations to the national convention, especially in terms of its impact on the convention nomination and the general election. More to the point, we are concerned that waiting until May 31st to resolve this issue will in fact be too late to have any perceptible effect, and will send the wrong message: on the one hand, delegates are feeling increasing pressure to signal their preferences immediately (if not sooner), but on the other hand the meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee will not occur until the 11th hour. In order to have any impact on the process and to effectively give credence to the voters in Michigan and Florida, we believe the Rules and Bylaws Committee should act before May 31st, if at all possible.

    We are equally concerned that a persistent lack of clarity regarding the status of the state-certified votes in those states has resulted in widespread misperception – in the media, the public and among super-delegates – about the accurate vote totals for both candidates. As we discussed, the DNC’s authority extends to the apportionment of delegates only, and does not affect the validity of those votes. Once they were certified by the Florida and Michigan Secretaries of State, the votes were valid and countable toward the respective candidates’ popular vote totals.

    We believe that the confusion around this issue and the lack of a concrete statement from the DNC has contributed greatly to the frustration of the voters in Florida and Michigan and the damaging perception that their votes are being ignored. It was gratifying to learn that you agree that the DNC’s actions do not in any way affect the validity of these votes, and that you are amenable to making a public statement that clarifies this issue.

    We suggest the following, which speaks, not to the benefit of either candidate, but directly to those whose votes are at issue:

    “The voters of Florida and Michigan, like the voters of every Democratic primary and caucus, deserve to have their voices heard. They went to the polls and cast their votes in good faith. The votes have been certified by the Secretaries of State of both Florida and Michigan, and their validity is not affected by the actions of the DNC. Seating the delegates for Florida and Michigan, however, will be decided by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, but that decision does not affect the votes cast in those states.”

    We were also gratified to hear your concern regarding the process by which state party caucuses are conducted and then utilized as a basis for delegate selection, given what we perceive to be significant irregularities surrounding some of the caucuses, as well as the degree to which delegates selected by means of caucuses (as opposed to primaries) are representative of both the diversity and numbers of the populations which they serve. We also discussed the concerns of coalescing a broad range of voters — whose diversity encompasses a host of issues including gender, race and religious affiliation– behind whoever the eventual Democratic nominee may be.

    Finally this primary season has raised the issues of race and gender to unprecedented prominence. We are extremely proud that the Democratic Party has addressed so forthrightly the issue of racial bias; this profoundly important dialogue, however, has not been matched by similarly substantive dialogue about gender bias, which has been prevalent, virulent, and not confined to the media. In some instances this emphasis is propelling the nation toward a more enlightened view about both race and gender bias. But too often, “the story of women’s suffering has remained untold,” as you so eloquently put it, permitting commentary and remarks that have stunned women by their negativity.

    Just as we expect that our leaders will take an immediate and strong stance against racism, we expect that those same leaders will take an immediate and strong stance against sexism. We believe that women Democrats, and even women who vote independent and some women Republicans, will support the party that finds a way to initiate a national dialogue about the issue of gender as we head into the general election. Likewise, we are deeply concerned about the impact that the failure to promptly address this issue is having and will continue to have on the party strength and unity. We are open to discussing any ideas about the role that the DNC could play in this important endeavor, as the members of our group have spent decades helping women achieve more opportunities at every level of society.

    As we stressed in the meeting, we are Democrats, whose longstanding commitment to the Democratic Party and its principles is beyond question. We are strongly committed to electing a Democrat to the White House in November and look forward to working with you to successfully meet whatever challenges we face in the coming months and beyond.

    With regards,
    Massachusetts Democratic Women Leaders
    “Every Vote Counts”
    http://www.countthevotes.net/,

    (See attached partial list of members)
    Massachusetts Democratic Women Leaders
    EVERY VOTE COUNTS

    Partial Listing of Members:

    Senate President Therese Murray
    Senator Cynthia Creem
    Senator Harriette Chandler
    Senator Joan Menard
    Representative Marie St. Fleur
    Representative Alice Wolf
    Representative Kay Khan
    Representative Lida Harkins
    Representative Ruth Balser
    Representative Katherine Clark
    Boston City Council President Maureen Feeney
    Sheriff Andrea Cabral
    Brookline Selectman Jesse Mermell
    Former Lieutenant Governor Evelyn Murphy
    Former State Treasurer Shannon O’Brien
    Former Senator Lois Pines
    Former Representative Carol Donovan
    Former Representative Anne Paulsen
    Former Representative Susan Tracy
    Barbara Lee
    Angela Menino
    Dr. Paula Johnson
    Katherine Hesse
    Marie Turley
    Elaine Schuster
    Beth Boland
    Shanti Fry
    Ellen J. Zucker
    Elyse Cherry

  126. # moononpluto Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Imagine if we had a blowout in KY and just managed to pull even or just pull out a win in Oregon, it would be Hallelujah day for HRC.
    &&&&&&

    No matter how big she wins in KY, or how close it is in OR,

    a) Obama may follow through on their plan to “claim the nominatio”, using whatever stats conveniently fall into place.
    b) expect Russet Potato Head and Tweety to be the echo chamber promulgating the validity of such a (bogus) declaration

    Matthews: “I bet you their popping the corks over there in Oregon tonight”
    Russet: “We know now, this time for sure, who the Democratic nominee will be”.
    Ogremann: “Where were you when you found out Obama won?”

    So be prepared to fight them on this. Like the 2000 election on election eve, when the MSM “called it” for Bush (Fox pulled the trigger, and the rest of the lambs followed), they (MSM again, and Obama & Cabal) will try to make an illegitimate initial impression stick.

    &&&
    Here’s what I think Hillary should do. Let him go first that night. Usually the loser goes first, but with two states…and Hill’s expecting the bigger victory…

    If Obama claims victory, she needs to read Obama and the DNC the riot act, holding up the DNC rules, proving where he is trying to steal the nomintion (of course, she’ll find more tactful ways to put it). She should say that:

    # “Obama’s assertion earlier tonight at x:yzPM was a flagrant attempt to short circuit a fair nominating process”
    # “The DNC needs to take decisive action immediately to denounce this reckless and self-serving proclamation”
    # We don’t even know what the level for achieving “victory” (2,025 or 2,209) because the DNC Rules committee will only meet on May 31st
    # the states haven’t finished voting
    # SDs’ votes don’t count until August
    # SDs can change who they are pledged to (some already changed from HRC to BO, so others are free to change between now and August)
    # The DNC needs to show some spine, to be a fair referee. And not just the DNC, but the party elders need to convince the DNC that permitting this radical take over is disastrous for the Democratic party.

  127. “for the good of the party”

    same as…

    “for the good of the family….”
    “for the good of the company……”
    “for the good of the community….”

    ….it’s the same line that men having been using for years to keep their womenfolk in line…..

  128. from a TM poster:

    I am a woman and proud to be one
    We handle it all and get the jobs done
    From morning ‘til night we’re under the gun
    We make the decisions while on the run

    I am a woman and I’ll be clear
    Lived most of my life in total fear
    Molested and battered while being called dear
    And not one said sorry, not one did I hear

    I am a woman with something to say
    So tired of the sexism day after day
    The words that I’m hearing are not okay
    Wounds are sliced open just like a filet

    I am a woman who’s been deeply hurt
    Don’t open my wounds, don’t rub in the dirt
    I don’t do baking and won’t iron a shirt
    Your words are offensive, vulgar, and curt

    I am a woman who demands respect
    Call me sweetie and it’s anger you’ll get
    Sexism promotes violence, if you abet
    You deserve hard time to pay off your debt

    I am a woman and I have a brain
    Masters Degree in Education grain
    I am not stupid, I am not insane
    Your words are like daggers causing more pain

    I am a woman who’s fully alive
    Force me in a room and who will survive
    You had better duck, you had better dive
    I’m locked and loaded with my 45

    I am a woman and I have a heart
    It angers me that two states can’t take part
    Punish the voters, that’s not very smart
    Don’t count all votes, splits the party apart

    I am a woman and I always vote
    Carefully weighing each fact and each quote
    For the one that I won’t choose, please take note
    I won’t take your blame or be your scapegoat

    I am a woman with no equal rights
    So don’t threaten me about civil rights
    I’m too old to bear children, yeah that’s right
    So don’t threaten me about pro-choice rights

    I am a woman and now hear me roar
    I won’t be silent when I’m called a whore
    To all the sexists I’ll listen no more
    To the DNC I am out the door

    Lorie, Marietta GA, May 16, 2008

  129. Ann-
    Great letter. We should have similar meetings with Howard Dean with women Democratic leaders in all 48 states, that Howard recognizes.

    about time that stuff was put in writing too. Way to go.

  130. Ronald,
    saw you post earlier that you are on NE finance steering committee, I am too. Missed call this wed. anything of interest?

  131. Curtain Time For Barack Obama Pt 4 is up.
    Part 5 will be published next week.

    Evelyn Pringle has done mucho work, that story is so thorough.
    But I sure wish she’d get to the point.

    Not seeing what it is that implicates BO, 50-something pages later.

  132. To the convention floor
    Hillary all the way

    Kennedy’s official announcement was scheduled for early November. There was a prime time interview with CBS’s Roger Mudd and it was a minor disaster. Kennedy flubbed a number of the questions and couldn’t exactly explain why he was running, and the polls, which showed him leading the President by 58-25 in August now had him ahead 49-39.[5] Then the hostages were taken in Tehran, Iran and the bottom fell out of the Kennedy campaign.

    Carter’s approval ratings jumped in the 60-percent range in some polls, due to a “rally ‘round the flag” effect[6] and an appreciation of Carter’s calm handling of the crisis. Kennedy was suddenly left far behind. Carter beat Kennedy decisively in Iowa and New Hampshire. Carter decisively defeated Kennedy everywhere except Massachusetts, until impatience began to build with the President’s strategy on Iran. When the later primaries in New York, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut came around, it was Kennedy who won largely due to such impatience.

    Carter was still able to maintain a substantial lead even after Kennedy swept the last batch of primaries in June. Despite this, Kennedy refused to drop out, and the 1980 Democratic National Convention was one of the nastiest on record. On the penultimate day, Kennedy conceded the nomination and called for a more liberal party platform in what many saw as the best speech of his career. On the platform on the final day, Kennedy for the most part ignored Carter

    The delegate tally at the convention was in part:

    Jimmy Carter – 2,129.02
    Ted Kennedy – 1,150.48
    14 others – 66.5
    In the vice presidential roll call, Mondale was re-nominated with 2,428.7 votes to 723.3 not voting and 179 scattering.

    The popular votes in the primaries were:[7]

    Jimmy Carter (inc.) – 10,043,016 (51.13%)
    Ted Kennedy – 7,381,693 (37.58%)
    Unpledged – 1,288,423 (6.56%)
    Jerry Brown – 575,296 (2.93%)
    Lyndon LaRouche – 177,784 (0.91%)
    Cliff Finch – 48,032 (0.25%)

    And he had an attitude in the end.

  133. Ann Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    Saw this on TM…..couldn’t agree more….

    This November:

    1. A write-in vote for Clinton, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA

    2. A vote for nobody, IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA

    3. A vote for McCain, IS A VOTE FOR CLINTON

    Ann this is what i have been telling people to vote for McCain if O is the nominee.

  134. hallow Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 11:53 am
    http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/

    Go down to Oregon!!

    There are new results for TODAY where Obama is only up in Oregon by 5%

    They did the same thing to us in NC. Kept saying BO’s lead was slipping and slipping. I’m not saying for you to not stay positive, but don’t raise expectations for yourself and you won’t feel such a great let down.

    Just keep your fingers cross and ignore the polls.

  135. filbertsf, I would like to believe this poll O 50% and H 45% in OR because there are not a lot of AA to increase his turout. it will be interesting to know the real result.

  136. Admin

    I just got a email from “hallow” she said she was banned from posting messages here

    surely that must be a mistake!!!

    perhaps the bots got to the site????

    Please! look into this and I would like to request her posting privileges be restored
    hallow has been IMHO a asset to this forum
    thank you!

  137. shenanigans Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
    NOTICE REGARDING CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT TOO ORGANIZATION

    no wonder i could not get through last night. hopefully they’ll have the bugs worked out this weekend. it is organizations such as this and “operation turn down” that will not go unnoticed.

    as far as demonstrations go, how about a walk-out right in the middle of the democratic national convention on live TV, leaving the arena “half-full”? 🙂

  138. Thanks for the historical lesson. This is so much closer. She has every right to continue.

    Women are not going to get back in line this year.

  139. So what if the Hillary pledge Delegate, those that have guts, walk out of the convention period. Those place have to have a quoum, don’t they. Would that mean they could not elect a nominee.

    Or would the Hillary Delegates not even register to accomplish this.

    At the meeting I go to you have to have a quoum or you cannot conduct business.

  140. meiyingsu, I really want to believe it, but I’m just not there yet. They (pollsters) did it to us in NC and I believed it. NC was really a let down… more so than IA. In IA, the great seer, Ann Seltzer, prepared me for the deluge.

  141. I agree, filbert. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Hillary herself said Obama would likely win Oregon.

    However, Bill is working the state like man possessed!!!

  142. newmexfan

    yeah, you’re right. i was just trying to think of a way to visually show the country that we’re a force to be reckoned with.

  143. shenanigans Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    NOTICE REGARDING CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT TOO ORGANIZATION
    ************************************
    GREAT NEWS!!! Thank you!! 😀

  144. They are stealing this election from the people.

    If they can declare themselves winners before the number is reached and everyone has voted, then we should consider stopping this convention.

  145. ***ATTENTION*****

    HALLOW……would like me to let you all know that she cares about you all and she says….I’m sorry this happened and that she didn’t think she had made any enemies here.

    (she evidently was banned from posting here today……she doesn’t know why and is very upset by it….and wishes to be able to continue to post)

    I cant recall anything Hallow might of posted that would of gotten her banned……can any of you?? ADMIN???
    hallow has joined my going to denver yahoo group…..if you would like to get ahold of her you can there or thru me

  146. This should put to rest any rumors that Rasmussen is NOT in Obama’s pocket:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/arkansas/election_2008_arkansas_presidential_election

    Arkansas is one of the few states where Hillary Clinton could absolutely make the case that she is more electable. Clinton leads McCain by fourteen percentage points (53% to 39%). However, this is not enough to change the outcome of the Democratic Presidential Nomination process. As Rasmussen Reports noted last week, the Democratic race is effectively over and Obama will be the party?s nominee.

    That hypertext link takes you to this illuminating little ditty:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/rasmussen_reports_to_stop_tracking_democratic_race

    Rasmussen Reports to Stop Tracking Democratic Race
    Friday, May 09, 2008
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    May 9, 2008–Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months? since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign.

    However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

    At the moment, Senator Clinton?s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn?t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.

    With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November. While we have not firmly decided upon a final day for tracking the Democratic race, it is coming soon.

    &&&&&&&&&&

    So they’re not going to cover the unpleasant “math” at the end, because it would show that Obama’s lead is not big enough, and that he’d have to fight it out in August. So they’re going to do one of those police things, “Move it along folks, nothing to see here”.

    So when they stop polling, and other pollsters continue doing the math, how much of a piece of shit organization are they going to look like.

    They are going to lose their credibility, just the way NARAL (National), John Edwards (but not yet Elizabeth), etc, are throwing away their credibility.

    These “old people”, these “old faction Democrats”, we have long memories, and we vote.

  147. dija-

    I haven’t noticed hallow posting anything here that would get her banned. Hopefully its just a computer glitch or something.

  148. Well, I guess stopping the convention is a bit rash. However in the 50s the Souther Delegation did walk out in protest.

    So Protests at the Convention are something to be considered.

  149. So we need to know how we can help the group in Columbus. I am hoping Shenaigans will keep us informed so we don’t fill up the mail boxes

  150. ronald

    I have tried to go back aways to see what she has posted and i honestly can not find anything
    that would remotely come close to needing to ban her.

    I have said to her that perhaps its bots ………if it is…….we are all at risk!!

  151. i got my $$$ request emails today from the various DNC orgs…… sent them all a reply

    that i would not support the theft of the election!!

    that if obama was the “brokered” nominee that i would work
    my ass off against him and help to get John McCain elected
    and that all my “bitter white woman” $$ is going to Hillary right now
    and will go to McCain if she was not the nominee

    and to not take my words as idle threats, that i was extremely serious
    I am fed up with the DNC and ready to change parties.

  152. Come on guys vote for Hillary with this super she wants to know

    scratch the results part, use just : carolemigdenleading.com

  153. Okay, update on the mission statement to start off with addressing the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan voters.

    As Clinton’s supporters, we demand that votes of Florida and Michigan residents be counted in full in the contest for the Democratic nomination for the presidency of the United States. We believe in embracing the spirit of Democracy over the letter of the law, and the meting out of punishment. Further,we are deeply disturbed by the misogyny both displayed and tolerated by the media, Democratic party officials and office holders, and the campaign of Barack Obama. We demand the following:
    1. that Michigan and Florida be fully counted and their delegates seated before the nomination is decided.
    2. that the calls for Clinton to concede her campaign cease immediately.
    3. that the misogynistic rhetoric deployed against Clinton and her supporters be deemed unacceptable, ceased immediately and receive the same outcry that racist rhetoric would provoke.
    4. that Barack Obama not declare himself the nominee before the convention, and the media cease to regard him as such.
    5. that any discussion that labels statements from the Clinton campaign as racist, and assumes that Clinton supporters are racist by virtue of their support for Clinton cease immediately.

    As lifelong Democrats, we are fully prepared to skip voting in the presidential race if our demands are not met, and if Obama is the nominee. Further, if the Democratic party proceeds with the contempt it has thus far displayed towards Clinton voters, we will refuse to vote in down party races as well.

    We support Hillary Clinton in her quest for the Democratic nomination for the presidency because we feel she is the best candidate for the job, based on her decades long record of progressive accomplishment, her exceptional record as First Lady of both Arkansas and the US, her accomplishments as senator from New York, her platform and her performance on the campaign trail.

    If you have any thoughts, let me know.

  154. ACTION PLAN FOR HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT, TOO

    Here is the first phase of the action plan and the message they are putting out:

    Quote:
    Men and Women are organizing in all 50 States as I write this.

    Please stay tuned for further updates.

    We are asking that you boycott MSNBC, NBC and all of their affiliates on May 20, 2008. Please arrive with as many people as you can, at your local station, any time during the day, even after work hours, with signs etc..

    The message is Stop the Sexism: HILLARY is the BEST candidate for PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS: MALE and FEMALE.

    Please try to get video of your boycott efforts and put them on YouTube

    Their e-mail addies are overflowing with an amazing outpouring of support from people all over the country and further plans are under way. This is the time to make sure your voice is heard.

    This is not about women only. Let me be very clear that this is for every person who has voted for Hillary in the Democratic Primary, which is almost 17million in total, and that includes Florida and Michigan, who deserve to be treated fairly. The sexism is one issue, but the complete lack of respect shown for Hillary AND her supporters by the media and the DNC extends to everyone who voted for her, male & female. We are a voting bloc and we can turn an election!

    Our voices will be heard. Please organize in your home towns. The time is now to act! We cannot wait any longer.

    If Hillary can do 5-6 campaign stops in one day, then we can get out there on Tuesday and show strength in numbers. If we can GOTV (Get Out The Vote) for Hillary, then we can GOTP – Get Out The Protest!

    We will be updating with more info and a webiste is in the works. What is needed are people on the ground to get the ball rolling in your own neighborhoods. These ladies have taken the first step and it is up to all of us to make this work.

  155. rgb,
    “So they’re going to do one of those police things, “Move it along folks, nothing to see here”.”

    Damn, you did it again! You’re great with the analogies.

    So how do we say that despite the Clintons sterling record in turning around the country’s fortunes, the party is in the midst of a power play by every loser that’s come down the democratic pike the past 30 years, yet too few know it because the media is almost entirely corrupt?

    Or did I just do it? 🙂

  156. SORRY FOR THE BOLD GOT TO DO IT! TAKE THIS POLL! HILLARY IS ALMOST BEATING OBAMA FOR THIS SUPER! VERY IMPORTANT AND LEAVE A MESSAGE, I WILL KEEP REMINDING EVERY ONE!

    carolemigdenleading.com

    THANK YOU! I AM REALLY HUNGRY! LOL!

  157. Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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    WASHINGTON – Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Robert M. “Mike” Duncan released the following statement today:

    “Barack Obama and John Edwards share an out-of-touch agenda that would raise taxes on families while cutting funding for our troops. The only question is why didn’t Edwards endorse sooner? Edwards’ endorsement of a candidate he previously blasted as inexperienced, hypocritical, and lacking substance will not help Obama with voters looking for real change.”

  158. Bill Clinton in Defense of Michigan and Florida…

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/bill-clinton-in.html

  159. From ABC;

    Over the past few days Clinton has frequently focused on the delegate controversy in his campaign remarks, going on about how the primary scheduling flap that resulted in the party and the campaigns’ boycotting primaries in those states, has effectively disenfranchised millions of voters.

    “What did the Democratic National Committee do? They obliterated them. Who cares if you wanted to get up there with these other states because you’ve been broken by this economic policy of the current administration. We’re gonna show you who’s boss. We are obliterating you from the face of the earth and pretending that your voters did not vote. You just have to know, that is the position of your national party. Nobody quarrels with their right to discipline them. They made a decision they did not have to make. And do you seriously believe, if the votes had been the other way, that they would have made the same decision?” Clinton asked a crowd in Owensboro.

    “Her opponent, now seeking to disembody Florida, buys national cable television and says ‘oh, I’m sorry it got into Florida but I had to buy national cable television.’ Nobody buys national television for any reason, there is no conceivable reason to do it other than to advertise. And I believe there was also some television in south Georgia. So only one candidate broke the rules. She still won by 295,000 votes, 17 percent,” said Clinton.

  160. A Superdelegate needs a poll for her to decide whom to support? How did these people become SDs?

    This is so f-kd-up!

  161. It’s been over a year since this damn Primary began, countless of big, blue-state wins and magnificent policies released and some of them need for us to do a popularity poll for them to decide who is the better person to lead us?

    I want to be a SD, too, so I can play God and mind games with the country’s future.

  162. They meet to count MI/FL at the end of this month right? I’m sure they are going to seat them in the end.

  163. I read on Yahoo last week about some idiot SD who is selling his vote to the highest bidder. I swear to God I hate how we nominate a candidate.

  164. tabbylady,

    the longer they wait to seat MI/FL the more damaging it is the the DNC’s reputation and Obama and his manipulative stalling practices.

    There is no choice but to seat them. Playing the waiting game is just blustering and ego-driven on their parts. It is blowing up in their faces and destroying the DNC at the same time.

    LOL…sorry…just had to get that off my chest! 😉

  165. Blue, just wanted to tell you of my opinion of what Pringle is getting to. The combine crosses both sides of the political spectrum, so if Obama gets elected he can make the problem go away for both sides. Thats why he got endorsements for republicans and democrats. This is why the full media blackout of the Clinton’s. This is why Nasty Pelosi took impeachment of the table, because she knew it would take Bambi down as well. The corruption is knee deep and the Clinton’s are on the outside! This is how Bambi got so much money, he was getting donations from the republicans, democrats and laundered money from the middle east! I think it will all come out, but its going to take time. It will take time if we keep Bambi out!

  166. EVERYONE, TUNE in to this radio show!

    Corbett – TURN DOWN Barack Obama!!!!!!

    wilknetwork.com/index.php?successResp=true&prevUrl=1446563

    This is AWESOME!!

  167. filbertsf, you can’t blame the SD, afterall that is exactly how Obama has gotten all the SD’s, endorsements, his senate seat and his house. This SD just understands Obama’s definition of capitalism!

  168. confloyd, the SD running the poll is also running for Senate. She wants traffic to her site. A self-promoter. That’s all I’ll say. If you guys want to participate in her little self-promotion and power play, go ahead. I think her mind is already made up. I just hate the fact that people like her are SDs and we are at her mercy. F-ck this system.

    linfar, I bet Ogreman is salivating over this Bush/Obama thing. What a combo for him: to bash the man he hates and heap praise on his messiah. I sense a Special Comment coming.

  169. I’m listening, thanks for the link guys.

    If that was Hawk he was great, well done. Said it all really well.
    So good to hear voices like ours speaking out.

  170. filbertsf, I feel the same way about this system. When I get through reading “The Curtain”, I get really sick. What has America come to. How can the average Joe fix the system when the only thing we can use is our votes and Dean&Co. doesnt count them? Its very disheartening! 🙁

  171. Basically, he talked about how he caucused for Clinton in January and the bad behavior he saw from Obama supporters at the caucus. He talked about how the electoral math doesn’t ultimately add up with so many states being off the table for Dems if Obama is the nominee. He said he’s on the board of the Democratic club at his school, and while he may have to resign his position, he won’t vote for Obama.

  172. you guys,

    I am tired. I have taken so much shit blogging anjd diarying for hillary that I just don’t have a lot more.

    And if you don’t support the effort, it can’t really go anywhere.

    the diary is up at mydd.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/16229/8619

    and it is getting hit hard because it exposes the gamesmanship behind Obama’s outgrtage over Bush’s knesset remarks which swer not aimed at him but at Carter!!

    Can’t you take a minute to go over there.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/16229/8619

  173. This dust up with McCain actually comes at a good time. It exposes Obama for the lightweight he is. His speech seems to have come off as a disaster and John McCain comes across with real authority on this issue.

  174. I was on Steve Corbett’s radio show out of Iowa City a while ago, love his Operation Turndown.

  175. congrats Hawk. Thank you for everything from pre-Iowa till today. You’ve been a trooper for our girl,

  176. i will be relocating to an important swing state this month, and i will not vote for obama. by the way, i too am listening to wilk.

  177. obama and his supporters will have to offer me a lot in order to gain my vote. and my vote will be important, for i will reside in a swing state.

  178. Thanks whaler and dot. Jeeze. they are just going nutz. Calling me every name in the book.

    I don’t know why but today Ijust feel worn out with it. It takes a toll. the whole thing day and day out–all of us hillary supprters–it takes a toll. We have to be strong for each other.

    Otherwise who can stand up to the thuggery and trash mouth talk they all seem to know how to do so well.

    I do not think one has responded to the central fact of the diary, that this is what Obamad does. He paints himself into the picture as the victim.

    Oh, I’ll stop.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/16229/8619

  179. Linfar,

    I tried to rec but the post didn’t take. 🙁

    HAWK!

    EXCELLENT remarks on Corbert! KUDOS and CONGRATS!

  180. Pulch, they are not getting my vote. It’s comical that the Propaganda Office of the Obama Campaign are paying 400 bloggers to try to persuade us deviants.

    I’m sure they’ll make Goebbel proud.

  181. linfar, it takes a great person to do what you have been doing. You are amongst assholes over at mydd and I commend your perserverance.

  182. we have all felt the strain…..let’s keep fighting. for her and for us. we are stronger than we know.

  183. Pulch, I did email you, but never received a reply.

    I hated NC, Pulch. I’m sorry you have to live there.

  184. # filbertsf Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    linfar, I bet Ogreman is salivating over this Bush/Obama thing. What a combo for him: to bash the man he hates and heap praise on his messiah. I sense a Special Comment coming.
    &&&&

    I’ve got a “special comment” for KeithO, and it’s not witty, and it’s not pretty.

  185. pulch .. I remember during Texas you logged 900 calls and we talked about one little town that I had .. I thought it was enemy territory and then when the results came it in went soundly to Hillary…I felt proud of my work there. You done us proud in NC.

  186. the county in which i presently reside is enemy territory. but at least i am moving to a state that voted for clinton. in other words, i am returning to civilization.

  187. Pulch, I even asked for you at the office… you weren’t there.

    I’m glad you’re moving. NC is beautiful, but it was quite a culture shock.

  188. Pulch .. good luck in your new place. I’m returning to the beautiful hills of West By God Virginia .. WE LOVE HILLARY AND BILL.

  189. linfar,

    OK. the Rec took.

    And i read over the comments (what garbage) and saw that apparently i’m INFAMOUS!!!!!!! hehehehehe. 👿

    Don’t know why coz i never go on mydd but would be interested to know what i said to have earned that tag.

  190. Why is the media not all over the Obama CHURCH literature? When Huckabee had a bookcase in the background they crucified him trying to say he was cojoining church and politics. Not a peep I heard regarding bambi and his religious ad from media.

  191. dot,
    My thoughts exactly. Huckabee got crucified, not to mention Romney.
    It’s sick.
    Today Rush listed all the things that are off limits for discussion regarding Waffles.
    Waffles name, his religion, his pastor, his books, his speeches, his liberal voting record, his wife, his grandmother, his father, any comments he’s ever made in the past . . . .
    And now anything that any politician says about anyone in general is automatically considered an insult against the messiah.
    👿

    .

  192. of course all Yahoo political coverage is that FL and MI can’t save Clinton .. I never heard her say they could.

  193. I actually wanted to go into why Clinton is a superior candidate but he’s moving through so many calls that it’s hard to discuss substantive issues.

  194. Hey guys what was the thing that obama did the other day that was the bosnia to hillary. It was something he lied about and should be getting the same media alert!

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  196. From Talk Left;

    We had a great blogger call with a very hoarse Hillary Clinton today. It was just for bloggers so she could thank us for our support.

    She is staying in the race. She is ahead in the popular vote by 50,000 votes, counting Florida and Michigan which must be counted. She intends to continue to lead in the popular vote when June 3 comes around and everyone has voted.

    The number one message: It’s the math not the map. In addition to the popular vote, the electoral map shows her with a cushion and Obama with a deficit. She has won 311 electoral votes to Obama’s 217. While a few of her’s like Texas and Oklahoma will be a challenge in November, many of his states will be: Alaska, Idaho, Utah, to name a few.

    It’s especially important to focus on this because it’s what superdelegates are supposed to be doing, exercising independent judgment to determine who would be the better candidate against John McCain in November.

    She’s in Oregon today, she’ll be doing a televised town hall tonight that Obama was invited to participate in but declined. He won’t debate her or stand side by side with her to debate issues. That’s a disservice to the people of Oregon.

  197. A caller from Wyoming said she was not going to vote for Obama because he voted yes on Bushes energy bill. She said she would vote for the Independent candidate if O is the nominee

  198. I wonder if I know that woman who telephoned from NC. In fact, I think I met her in the office.

  199. do not be dispirited. do not be tired.

    This is our campaign. The media has been wrong before and will be wrong again. We will not let them steal this from us for thier pathetic ratings.

    Hillary Clinton is not tired. Hillary Clinton is not dispirited. She is our voice and we are her voice.

    I support Hillary Clinton, because Hillary Clinton speaks for me. Now she is asking me to return the favor and I am doing so, one phone call to Oregon at a time.

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President.

  200. # filbertsf Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    I read on Yahoo last week about some idiot SD who is selling his vote to the highest bidder. I swear to God I hate how we nominate a candidate.
    &&&&&

    I know that “vote buying” is definitely illegal, no questions about it.

    Vote selling? Perhaps illegal, maybe in the gray zone.

    But if it is party person, whether committed delegate, alternate, or SD, certainly is a violation of a code of ethics, and I’m sure party rules somewhere specifically state that. It may even be illegal.

  201. Larry Johnson at Noquarter says he has 4 sources who say GoP has an incriminating tape on Michelle O and one other source on a tape on Obama showing him in a place doing things controversial. GoP will probably hold these tapes until Sept or Oct if Obama is the nominee. While there is no proof of these exact tapes, we have seen enough tapes so far and characters parading in Obama’s life who will be problematic. He is a known risk and DNC and the media are still propping him up. I think all of us millions of Hillary supporters have to just dig our heels and wait patiently for the convention. Hillary should not drop out. She owes it to us. And we owe it to the country to stick with her and stand by her. Popular vote lead is what we should go after. The votes for FL and MI have been certified and will count.

  202. does anyone know if all those sexiest comments (sweetie, cell phone) were only to white women? I think it was, I wonder how he treats black women?

  203. Corbert is AWED by the response to TURN OFF OBAMA!
    He says he’s never gotten so many calls in 30 years of being a radio talk show host.
    One woman was in TEARS (you could tell by her broken speech and sobs), thanking him for providing the opportunity for people to discuss their feelings of being thrown under the bus by the democrats, the DNC, the media and the Waffles crew.
    I think he’s going to continue this topic. Apparently, the show was conceived yesterday because of something he read on a blog. . . . . .he says he’s getting calls from all over the country and around the world.
    And what’s really cute is this show is usually POLKA FRIDAY and during breaks he plays polka music. 😀

  204. Well, I know he doesn’t think much of his white grandma and his white mom, so I betcha all those sweetie remarks went to white women!

  205. where is this radio show out of? I wish we had more radio talk shows out there doing this!

  206. confloyd,

    I caught a clip of The View and they were discussing the ‘sweetie’ comment and the white women were livid but a couple of AA women said it wouldn’t bother them if they were called sweetie.

    guess it’s a cultural thing, like blue soap pads or something. Maybe that word ‘sweetie’ doesn’t have the same connotations with some groups? i dunno.

    The CORBERT FREE-FOR-ALL at 6pm. hahahaha.

  207. Linfar,

    I went over to recommend your wonderful diary but forgot my password. I wanted to recommend your last one but couldn’t for the same reason. I emailed mydd to get a reminder a few days ago and they never responded.

    Sorry about that.

  208. guess it’s a cultural thing, like blue soap pads or something. Maybe that word ’sweetie’ doesn’t have the same connotations with some groups? i dunno.

    Those women don’t no any better. I would have called him on it.

  209. basil 9, I live in Texas and some of these women would not mind either. Some are pretty backwoods. I just can’t understand the young women, they don’t seem to care what our generation has done for them! Its disgusting!

  210. confloyd Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
    basil 9, I live in Texas and some of these women would not mind either. Some are pretty backwoods. I just can’t understand the young women, they don’t seem to care what our generation has done for them! Its disgusting

    What do you expect. They except music calling them b”s and Whores

  211. I sure wish someone would play the video we are all waiting for. That will cinch it, for sure he will not be able to say he is not a reverse racist. I know he and most people know he, but that would be proof positive.
    I work with a white man, he has drank the kool-aid bigtime. Of coarse, this is East Texas so I am sure misogyny is rampart here! He is an ex-union employee that had to be retrained. He chose my profession. He is always pist, seems health doesn’t offer the same advantages as his union lumber mill job and he doesn’t like it. Boo Hoo, I been putting up with these corporate jackels for 20 years. They could care less about patient care, they are only interested in the almighty dollar! That’s why I am praying for Hillary to take over and kick some butt!! SHe always mentions the nurses, starting their second shift of the day. There is no one like Hillary!

  212. neetabug Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
    guess it’s a cultural thing, like blue soap pads or something. Maybe that word ’sweetie’ doesn’t have the same connotations with some groups? i dunno.

    Those women don’t no any better. I would have called him on it.

    Given that he grew up in a white household, I don’t buy the cultural argument. I think these women were just protecting them. i don’t believe for a second they would not have been offended.

  213. mj,

    What i meant was Whoopie and joy were talking about how patronizing it was for a man to call a woman sweetie and they took an audience poll and the white women were incensed at the term being used in a professional environment whereas the AA woman said they wouldn’t mind being called sweetie. I dunno. I was just responding to confloyd’s question about whether AA women would respond the same way to the term as whites.
    And her point about women where she lives not minding being called sweetie is similar to what I see in the very rural area where I now live. The problem with the term ‘sweetie’ is more when it’s used in the workplace than when used a s a private term of endearment between partners, spouses etc.

    OMG – I am ROTFLMAO – Corbert playing his own polka called : Let’s call the baby Kielbasi.

  214. dot,

    John McCain is schooling Obama on foreign policy!!!

    And Bambi is in a hole, YET he keeps on digging !

    The Republicans can push his buttons any time they want.

  215. I wanted to thank everyone who went over to mydd.

    I dunno. May be my last post. over there.

    See they do succeed. it’s true.

    I am worn out with it.

    All they do is go after the person not the ideas

  216. Corbert says:
    “A collective voice that has not been heard is now being heard as a result of Operation turn Down.”

    A guy on call saying HRC has been treated very badly. Corbert says She paid her dues – the sense he gets from the calls and emails is people are furious, they feel like the fix was in, the deck was stacked, the smoke-filled back room ruled –
    Obama downplayed PA and WVa, insulted their education,. their history, started calling everyone racists and that’s when this movement started
    according to corbert.

  217. This is fantastic — everything is starting to break our way, and that’s not coincidence. It is, instead, the result of very hard work that we’ve (HRC supporters) all been putting in and it’s starting to pay huge dividends.

    CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT is getting swamped, and they’re working with His44.

    Turn Down Obama is on the move and gaining huge traction (Corbett is in my neck of the woods and he has been terrific throughout the entire season).

    One of BaJoke’s meaningless cauci states is showing just how irrelevant it was and is with the new Kansas polling. And this is a state which I think Michele Norris was just saying that Bambi would turn blue. LOL!!!!!

    —————————–

    Blue Dem — I owe you an answer about McCain vs Obama and I will give you one. I’ve already started writing it up. It basically comes down to this: The Elitist Triad of BJoke’s Posse/MSM/Clinton-hating Effete Dem Leadership is going above and beyond to screw over the Clintons, their supporters and the majority of reg’d Dems who will have voted for HRC. We have the opportunity to take them out like they think they can take us out. For the good of the future of the party — not to mention the country — we need to make the most of that opportunity.

    Further, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING which The Elitist Triad can do to stop us from taking out BHO. Nada. They know it, too, despite all the chest-puffing you see from various corners. Welcome the ass-kissing version of GodBrazila. If Obama is nominated, you’re going to see more attempts at rear-end smooching from people who just got done calling us and entire states racist than you can believe.

    And the effect such insincerity will have with all the water under the bridge?

    About as much as Obama’s fabled ability to campaign had on the West Virgina result.

    The bottom line is this, at least for many of us (with more to come soon with the various organizations coming into effect and more education to be done on just how disgusting BHO’s Crew has been this whole campaign):

    If Obama is nominated, we’re taking him down, period. No iffs, ands, butts or ‘Supreme Court’ distractions to the contrary. This is about both regaining control of our party from a cultish, thuggish subset as well as making sure that what went on this season is never — EVER — repeated again. Obama, and his idiotic flunkies, are going to be made an example of. As they should be.

    When this election cycle is over, we will never have to worry about Bambi again as a presidential contender. No more “I hate America” Michelle. No more Wright, or Ayers. Or Rezko.

    The walls are closing in on the embarrassment that has been the Obama campaign. Flat-out insanity is being spoken by his New Jack Losers surrogates. The list of states which he can win is shrinking, and correspondingly, the list of states which Obama people are deluding themselves about ‘opening up’ is growing by the minute. Orwell would be proud.

    We HRC supporters stand above the closing walls on Obama’s fatally-flawed quest. At any moment we want — particularly if BHO is wrongly chosen by the elites as the nominee — we can put the lid on the casket and be forever rid of him and his unseemly campaign. He can then go on to be another also-ran with Kerry, Chappy Ted, etc: People with safe Senate seats but who aren’t able to do too much damage to the party.

    As I said above, there is nothing any faction can do to stop us from doing this. We hold the cards; we have the power.

    There really isn’t any choice here. I’ll explain that more when I post the Bambi/McCain comparison. We have to, and are going to, take Bambi out. That’s it. If he is nominated, we are taking him down. It’s not going to be a choice for GOP voters or anyone else. We’ve had enough of people on our side of the aisle messing with us and taking the decision-making power away from us throughout this contest to last a lifetime (think MI and FL). It is our responsibility to stand up for what is right and we cannot allow the process to get beyond us as the Elitist Triad has tried to do during the nomination battle.

    If Bambi is nominated, our task then becomes having him make McGovern’s performance in ’72 look good. It’s up to us; we can do it, we need to do it, we will do it.

    Bambi is on pace for the Mother of All Pyrrhic Victories. All we have to do is throw the metaphorical switch and: Bambi, his corrupt & race-baiting team, the “leadership” of our party and the MSM all get brought down from their self-appointed pedestals.

    Whatever you, or anyone else, has to do in order to pull your part of the trigger on this, please do. Choices aren’t always easy and there is not always a clear-cut scenario. But will I trade a McCain Supreme Court Justice or two in order to save our party, our country and in order to make sure the MSM is STFU and reined-in as they should be?

    Oh yeah.

    Once Bambi is defeated and the Axelrodians are removed from the party’s bloodstream, the next preventative task is to overhaul the caucus/primary system itself. We can’t ever again have the garbage which has occurred this season, where undemocratic caucuses are allowed to determine nomination outcomes. All of this, plus the role of superdelegates, has to be taken on.

    But that can wait until we have ensured Bambi’s defeat. Once the “Monster” of his candidacy is slain, everything will become much easier to get done and we will have far more assistance in getting these reforms accomplished.

    We have the numbers to be able to do this. The ObamaThugs believe we won’t do it, and that they can just run us over.

    Time to show them how wrong they are.
    —————————-
    Basil — You’re sweet. 🙂 Notice I didn’t say ‘sweetie,’ but sweet. Ha ha.
    —————————-

    Djia – Thanks. 🙂

    —————————-

    Let’s work the phones for OR. KY is going to be blowout city (guess Edwards didn’t help much, huh? BWAHAHAAH) and so the task now falls to humiliating Bambi in a state where he was muttering stuff about holding “Im the nominee” parties.

    OR is by no means an essential win, but if we could take that/keep it close then we totally own the board until the last day of the primaries and MT and SD. That would add even more leverage to our cause in the short term.

    Now you know why the Elitist Triad of BH-Ho/MSM/Effete Dem Leadership was trying to make OR a ‘party zone:’ They have no handholds to stop themselves and BaBambi from continuing to plummet at terminal velocity.

    These people are scared and they correctly understand what is about to happen in KY.

    They and Bambi are going under. Time for us to toss them an anchor to help accelerate the process.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  218. linfar,

    I understand. What’s the point? Why waste your energy? I don’t know much about MYDD but scanning the comments on your diary made me realize I probably haven’t missed a d@mn thing.

    Take it easy and try to relax. Hope your mom is ok.

  219. Obama, facing likely defeat, will skip visiting Kentucky
    By Ryan Alessi | Lexington Herald-Leader

    LEXINGTON, Ky. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, facing a likely defeat in next Tuesday’s primary election, won’t travel to Kentucky before the voting, but said he hopes to have much more time to win over Kentucky voters before the November general election.

    “When we’re able to campaign in a place like Iowa for several months and I can visit and talk to people individually, I do very well. That’s harder to do at this stage in the campaign,” Obama said in a brief telephone interview Friday. “And once we get past the primary, we’ll ble to focus more on those states where we need to make sure people know my track record.”

    In contrast, Obama’s rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, will make five stops in Kentucky over the weekend, including stops at two university campuses.

    Obama said he’d hoped to spend a bit more time in Kentucky earlier this week, but was called back to Washington, D.C., for votes.

    “We’re having to campaign in a lot of different places,” he said. “Obviously we think Kentucky is important. People in Kentucky are concerned about the same things people are concerned about all across the country — declining wages and incomes and everything from gas to health care.”

    But he conceded that he has a steep challenge to get his message and background to voters in states such as Kentucky — where he trails Sen. Hillary Clinton by 27 points, according to a poll published earlier this week — and West Virginia, where voters chose Clinton over Obama by 40 points on Tuesday.

    “What it says is that I’m not very well known in that part of the country,” Obama said. “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.”

    But he said he and Clinton match up similarly against Republican nominee John McCain. Both trailed McCain by double digits in the poll, which was conducted for the Lexignton Herald-Leader and WKYT television. McCain leads Clinton by 12 points and Obama by 25 points.

    “I think whoever the Democratic is we’re going to have some work to do in a state like Kentucky,” Obama said.

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  220. Rove slams Obama over ‘bitter’ comments, flag pin
    Posted: 06:15 PM ET

    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

    Rove addressed the NRA Convention Friday.
    (CNN) — Karl Rove launched a wide-ranging attack on Barack Obama during a speech at the National Rifle Association Convention Friday, blasting him for his recent comments calling some small town American’s “bitter,” and suggesting the Illinois senator is an effete politician unable to connect with a broad swath of Americans.

    The comments, received enthusiastically by the large crowd in Louisville, Kentucky, are a likely sign Obama’s words at a San Francisco fundraiser last month may be a major Republican talking-point should he capture the Democratic Party’s nomination.

    “You know in the age of Barack Obama I don’t know exactly what to call you, because after all, as he said, because we’re bitter and economically anxious, we ‘cling to our guns and we cling to our faith,” Rove told the crowd to laughter and cheers.

    “You probably didn’t know you hunted out of economic anxiety, and if gas was a $1.50 a gallon, you probably wouldn’t be hunting,” he continued. “You probably thought you hunted because you enjoyed the outdoors and companionship with family and friends.”

    Rove, largely credited with orchestrating campaign strategies that painted former Democratic nominees Al Gore and John Kerry as out of touch with small town Americans, also cited Obama’s recent primary losses in Pennsylvania and West Virginia as evidence a large demographic is unwilling to vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee.

    “We here have news for Barack Obama,” Rove said. “The values of those people you diminished are the values of America. And those people don’t like getting patronized, or viewed as an alien species, by a fellow who pretends to embody a new kind of politics, and especially by someone who wants to be president not of red states or blue states, but the United States.”

    Rove, who does not have an official role within John McCain’s presidential campaign or at the Republican National Committee, also took Obama to task for recently wearing a flag pin.

    “It is distracting to say in a Democratic primary when you are trying to cozy up to Moveon.org that an American flag on your lapel is a quote ‘substitute’ for true patriotism,” Rove said. “Belittling all those who care to wear our country’s flag, calling them false patriots, and then when you focus on the general election, like this week, start to showing up with an American flag on your lapel again. That’s distracting.”

    Obama was asked last October why he normally does not wear a flag pin on his lapel, as many politicians do. The Illinois senator said then he wore one shortly after 9/11, but later decided to show his patriotism in other ways.

    “After a while, you start noticing people wearing the lapel pin but not acting very patriotic,” he said then. “My attitude is that I’m less concerned with what you’re wearing on your lapel than what’s in your heart. You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those ones who serve.”

  221. Date: May 16, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
    Contact:

    Amount: $25.44
    In honor of Hillary speaking to us on TM. SHe is sooo amazing!! POTUS material if I have ever seen one!

  222. Oh no, basil. I knew you were not buying it either. i was more or less agreeing. these women are obviously BO supporters so denfending him.

  223. Universal: BRAVO! You never cease to amaze me.

    Here is something from TM:

    This is a letter my daughter wrote to all the Democratic groups asking her for money.

    To Whom It May Concern:

    I admit this email is being sent in mass to any who have requested my funds in order to help “defeat” John McCain. I put that in quotes because I see this as a thinly disguised term for tarnish and smear or better yet borrowing one of the “new” Democratic Party’s favorite terms “swift boat.” I have been a Democrat my whole life. However, if the Democratic primary goes the way I believe it will, I will vote Republican as will the other 15+ adult members of my family. I know what you’re going to say, after all it’s all I hear anymore. I’ll come around. I’m just bitter, angry, disgruntled, insert your favorite term here. Yet, I say to you that I will not come around and I am not bitter, angry, disgruntled, etc. In fact, I am relieved. I am relieved that I get to see what the Democratic Party has become before I made a terrible mistake. I have to admit, I would definitely vote for Senator Clinton were she to make the nomination, but I have no doubt that you in the leadership of the party will relieve me of that conundrum before it takes place. For the last week, I’ve heard how my fellow voters and I will come around and the party will unite. If we don’t well, it’s a new party and we weren’t needed anymore. Should both of those arguments fail, we weren’t really Democrats anyway.

    Well let me tell you a little about myself. I am a 33 year old woman who is highly educated, fairly well to do and without a doubt a regular Democrat voter and contributor. I have campaigned actively for Clinton and Gore. I also voted for Kerry, but did not actively work for him. In this election, I was supporting John Edwards, and then I decided to support Senator Clinton. I will never vote for Senator Obama. Let me say that one more time for effect; I will NEVER vote for Senator Obama. I see that this may be hard to comprehend as you can’t see a world where I would not worship at the alter of your new messiah, but I simply shan’t. I have watched as the media misled the public. I have seen the Democratic leadership basically do everything in their power to alter an election to get the desired result. I’ve seen voters disenfranchised, and no, I’m actually not talking about Florida and Michigan. I am referring to the numbers of disabled and blue collar workers who could not vote in states with caucuses. If Texas showed us nothing else, it showed how flawed the caucus system was. I’ve also watched in my state and those around me as the Obama campaign put out misleading information, threatened voters and super delegates in order to get their way, all the while playing the “I’m so clean” act. I haven’t a doubt in my mind that you will get what you want and he will be the nominee, but I will do everything in my power to see that he is not President.

    It sickens me that the party that has had such great Presidents can support a candidate that routinely denigrates the last really good President we had. I served in the military under Clinton. I recall his work to see that the military pay was brought even with civilian counterparts. I recall his work on welfare reform and the budget. Our economy did very well under him. That is why Senator Obama will not be able to bring the party back together and heal the rift. Those of us who remember the Clinton administration remember it as I do. His complete mockery of that period not only bothers us, it scares us. If he didn’t think that was good, what is his idea of good? Well, we’ll never know because Senator Obama doesn’t have to answer those kinds of questions. If you were to ask him that question, he would simply smile and say, “I’m not going to be distracted by those kinds of tactics. We are here for change and we will have change.” Funny thing, I think most of the questions that he deflects with these statements are actually good, solid questions any Democratic candidate should have to answer.

    I’m also very tired of being told that he didn’t participate in the actions that were perpetrated against Congressman John Lewis and others to get them to change their votes. Blackmail is blackmail. He was blackmailed, and Jessie Jackson Jr. admitted they were behind it. I’m also tired of being told that even if his campaign did it, he didn’t know about it because he certainly wouldn’t condone that kind of behavior. Come on. How many times can someone use the same excuse? It is simply not believable anymore. I wouldn’t let my 5 year old use the same excuse as many times as he has used this one, and she certainly isn’t asking me to help her get the highest office in our country.

    All in all, I simply want to make sure that I am understood. I will not vote for Barack Obama. I will not give money to help against John McCain because I have every intention of campaigning for him or rather against Barack Obama. After all, if I have to help a chauvinistic, elitist party, it might as well be the one I already know. The new one seems much scarier.

    Christy

  224. WHOA! I can post again!

    Thank you, Ronald! Thank you, djia! Thank you, shenanigans!

    THANK YOU!

  225. BO to Ky.. F off, you ain’t part of my strategy. Take a hike you bunch of hicks.

    Once again, the DNC will see on Tuesday that KY is another state that can go back to them .. if Hill is the nominee.

    I still can’t believe the arrogance .. he can go to Michigan and Missiouri but he doesn’t have time to visit Ky which is holding a primary.

    I hope Hillary calls his ass to the carpet on this all this weekend.

  226. mj,

    Actually, Whoopi said she didn’t see anything wrong with the term ‘sweetie,’ and Joy (or someone else) said she did and then they did an audience poll. The the other woman,(forgot her name – the young AA lady) said she didn’t mind being called sweetie but it drove her nuts when people told her how cute she was.

    I think sweetie-gate is a backlash of mature women who had to fight those types of dismissive derogatory remarks in male dominated workplaces. Just a guess.

  227. Bambi trying a modified version of his “You’ve been Bamboozled, Hoodwinked, and Okie Doke’d” on foreign policy. Speaking of McCain and Bush together:

    “They aren’t telling you the truth. They are trying to fool you and scare you because they can’t win a foreign policy debate on the merits.”

    They don’t have to.

  228. “What it says is that I’m not very well known in that part of the country,” Obama said. “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.”

    I guess this guy didn’t do so well in geography class. Arkansas is not nearby to Kentucky. Illinois borders it. In addition, his memory is not all that great either. Hillary was born in Illinois and is a Senator from New York. It should be a prerequisite for any person running for President of the United States, to have a basic grasp of the country’s geography. I wonder how he does on the international front. Reminds me of Bush.

  229. Remember he has to have a piece of paper handed to him 3 minutes before or he loses it. Obviously no one handed him the right piece of paper.

    Can you imagine the consequences if he makes off the cuff remakes internationally.

    It is so hard to understand what is going on here.

  230. After almost a year of campaigning and his face all over the media, Obama still has the gall to dismiss KY by saying he’s not very well known in some parts of the U.S.?

    Where does this guy get his material? He coulda been a comedian.

  231. Hallow!
    Welcome back. 😀
    Paddy,
    What really floored me this week besides his 57 state comment was his remarks in Missouri that Iraqi interpreters are desperately needed in Afghanistan and should be redeployed there where they speak Urdu ( A hindi dialect) without the slightest notion that A) the iraqi interpreters speak Arabic and B) The Afghanistanis don’t and C) they don’t speak Urdu!!!!!
    Universal,
    Your posts have the effect of a footbasll coach revving up the team before a game! 😉

  232. Just catching up here and finished reading BC’s comments on FL and MI. Wow! Has he ever called the DNC out for blatantly favoring Waffles before? He sure as hell did this time.

  233. Hallow, Welcome back!

    Dot: The arrogance of waffles is overwhelming. He is never, ever, going to connect with middle class America, if he keeps dissing them. Unbelievable.

    I hope KY hands him a stunning defeat. How can some people ignore this glaring deficit of character. The GOP, is going to be all over him, especially after reading what Rove said. Rove loathes the guy.

  234. I don’t think anyone has posted this. I don’t live in FL, so I can’t go.

    ************************************************** ***********
    Event: Studio City Says “GO HILLARY”!!!

    When:
    Saturday, May 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM – 3:30 PM

    Where:
    Studio City, California
    12051 Ventura Blvd.
    Studio City, CA 91604

    General Area: Ventura and Laurel Canyon Blvd.

    Description:
    May 17, 2008 – Saturday At 1:30 p.m. Studio City – Corner of Laurel Canyon Blvd and Ventura Blvd (12051 Ventura Blvd, 91604). We’ll be meeting on the North/East corner of Ventura Blvd and Laurel Canyon Blvd. We’ll have “Hillary for President” balloons! WEAR YOUR T-SHIRTS AND HATS. BRING YOUR SIGNS, FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. We need everyone to show up to make the national news!!! (Sign suggestions – “Count Florida and Michigan”,”Kentucky/Oregon – May 20″, “Puerto Rico-June 1”, “Montana/South Dakota – June 3”, “See you at the National Democratic Convention August 25-28, 2008 in Denver, Colorado”, “Hillary – 44th President”).
    **********SEE YOU THERE! ********
    GO…..HILLARY!!!

    Please RSVP at hillaryclinton.com – “Find an Event”. Thank you.

  235. I remember Bush Jr making these bone head mistakes. People defended him, and said he will have a staff.

    Well, guess who selected the staff, and what happen. These flubs should be real red flags. But the SDs are not listening, of course. I guess the money is stuffed in their ears.

  236. Oops, I meant I don’t live in California. Although I don’t live in Florida, either. 🙂

  237. hi hillfans. ran a lot of errands and finished laundry. some down eating some shrimp fried chinese rice.

  238. terrondt – Glad you’re back. I’m a vegan, so no shrimp for me. Otherwise, good. Do you like tofu or bean curd fried rice?

  239. Hillary Will Win – Sorry, I said I couldn’t go. I live in Wisconsin. But if you’re going, please take lots of pictures and put them on flickr or some site!

  240. FilbertS,

    That’s his standard excuse for months now, every single time he loses.
    She’s well known there and he’s not.

    Ya know, somehow the cable TV works in Idaho & Kansas and wherever, but not anywhere he loses (or gets spanked!).

    And the media lets him get away with this incredibly lame nonsense.

  241. Blue Democrat

    The reason she is well know there, as she and Bill go into the rural and city communities, and they stretch out their hands, and they talk to people.

    As I have said before, Lose is a problem for him, and he has to make out like he could not win there, and it was not his fault, and he should not be expected to.

    Hillary knew in NC she was facing tough odds, she went into the rural areas, and she reduced his lead in a state that was in his hip pocket by 10%, and she made no excuses for her lose there. If this was Obama, he would have been tooting it as a win, and of course not his fault.

    This is a big mental problem for him, and anyone wanted to be president.

  242. MOVE-ON’s OWN WORDS USED AGAINST THEM?

    I was going through old emails, and saw that back in February, MoveOn.org had a petition to ensure that SDs don’t override the voters’ will, that they should let the process play out. I wonder if they still want that, or if they’d like to wrap things up before all the states vote, even before the DNC decides on FL/MI on 5/31.

    I wonder if that petition is still there…

    Here’s their email:
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Dear MoveOn member,
    Wow. Overnight, we’ve smashed the 200,000-person goal we set for our petition calling on the superdelegates to listen to the voters in the Democratic primary.

    CNN and the New York Times have already featured our petition. And we’re about to run a full-page ad in USA Today with the total number of people who signed.

    The ad deadline is the end of the day. Can you help us reach 300,000 signatures? Click here to add your name:

    http://pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=459

    The petition’s pretty simple—it just says:

    “The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people’s choice.”

    The original email is below for more information.
    Thanks,
    Noah
    Clicking here will add your name:
    “The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people’s choice.”

    Sign the petition
    Dear MoveOn member,

    You’ve probably heard about the “superdelegates” who could end up deciding the Democratic nominee.1

    The superdelegates are under lots of pressure right now to come out for one candidate or the other.2 We urgently need to encourage them to let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama—and then to support the will of the people.

    Can you sign this petition to the superdelegates right away? Click here to add your name:

    http://pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=463

    If we can reach 200,000 signatures this week, we’ll publish the petition along with the final number of signers as an ad in USA Today. If you’re one of the first people to sign, we’ll include your name (with your permission).

    The petition says:

    “The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people’s choice.”

    Please forward this email to 5 friends today so we can hit 200,000 signatures by Friday.

    Who are the superdelegates? Most of them aren’t elected—they’re state party chairs, retired politicians, and Democratic insiders. They control 40% of the votes needed to win the nomination.3 The reason they exist: to make sure the party establishment approves of the nominee.
    But even some superdelegates have started questioning whether they should be the ones to make the final call: Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore’s presidential campaign and is neutral in the race, says the superdelegates “should reflect the will of the people.” She threatened to quit her position within the Democratic Party if the superdelegates decide the primary outcome.4

    And in a New York Times op-ed, Walter Mondale’s former delegate counter writes:

    The superdelegates were never intended to be part of the dash from Iowa to Super Tuesday and beyond. They should resist the impulse and pressure to decide the nomination before the voters have had their say.5

    The superdelegates could ignore the will of the voters and pick whichever nominee they want, embroiling the entire convention in an ugly fight.6

    Superdelegates aren’t used to hearing from concerned voters. If enough of us sign this petition, we can urge them to side with whichever candidate—Clinton or Obama—has the most support from voters.
    This is about democracy, pure and simple. Whoever you support, we can all agree the Democratic nominee should be decided by Democratic voters.

    Please sign this petition. Click here to add your name:

    http://pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=464

    In the long run, the Democratic Party needs to reconsider this undemocratic system, but for this election, we need the superdelegates to do the right thing.

    Thank you for all you do.

    –Noah, Tanya, Carrie, Laura, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
    Friday, February 15th, 2008

  243. Blue Democrat, I feel great about the calls I made to Kentucky. Our girl is going to do great there. It was amazing actually one of the persons I left a voicemail called back to tell me that there is no doubt in her mind that hillary is the best candidate. I was really amazed that some body would call me back. One of the gentleman told me that he was looking forward to attend Bill’s rally. These are the untold stories that are never… never reported by MSM. There is so much love out there for her.

  244. MOVE-ON’s OWN WORDS USED AGAINST THEM?

    Cleaning up your email can lead you to find interesting stuff.

    See if this doesn’t strike you as funny. Back in February,I got this email, saying that they don’t want SDs to overrule the will of the voters. I wonder if they’ve changed their tune? I wonder if they want this wrapped up this Tuesday? I wonder if they are hypocrite Obama zombies?

    Here’s the email:
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Dear MoveOn member,
    Wow. Overnight, we’ve smashed the 200,000-person goal we set for our petition calling on the superdelegates to listen to the voters in the Democratic primary.

    CNN and the New York Times have already featured our petition. And we’re about to run a full-page ad in USA Today with the total number of people who signed.

    pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=459

    The petition’s pretty simple—it just says:

    “The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people’s choice.”

    The original email is below for more information.
    Thanks,
    Noah
    Clicking here will add your name:
    “The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people’s choice.”

    Sign the petition
    Dear MoveOn member,

    You’ve probably heard about the “superdelegates” who could end up deciding the Democratic nominee.1

    The superdelegates are under lots of pressure right now to come out for one candidate or the other.2 We urgently need to encourage them to let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama—and then to support the will of the people.

    Can you sign this petition to the superdelegates right away? Click here to add your name:

    pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=463

    Who are the superdelegates? Most of them aren’t elected—they’re state party chairs, retired politicians, and Democratic insiders. They control 40% of the votes needed to win the nomination.3 The reason they exist: to make sure the party establishment approves of the nominee.
    But even some superdelegates have started questioning whether they should be the ones to make the final call: Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore’s presidential campaign and is neutral in the race, says the superdelegates “should reflect the will of the people.” She threatened to quit her position within the Democratic Party if the superdelegates decide the primary outcome.4

    And in a New York Times op-ed, Walter Mondale’s former delegate counter writes:

    The superdelegates were never intended to be part of the dash from Iowa to Super Tuesday and beyond. They should resist the impulse and pressure to decide the nomination before the voters have had their say.5

    The superdelegates could ignore the will of the voters and pick whichever nominee they want, embroiling the entire convention in an ugly fight.6

    Superdelegates aren’t used to hearing from concerned voters. If enough of us sign this petition, we can urge them to side with whichever candidate—Clinton or Obama—has the most support from voters.
    This is about democracy, pure and simple. Whoever you support, we can all agree the Democratic nominee should be decided by Democratic voters.

    Please sign this petition. Click here to add your name:

    pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/o.pl?id=12140-1277844-dosM2H&t=464

    In the long run, the Democratic Party needs to reconsider this undemocratic system, but for this election, we need the superdelegates to do the right thing.

    Thank you for all you do.

    –Noah, Tanya, Carrie, Laura, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
    Friday, February 15th, 2008

  245. I hope everybody is having a great start to their weekend (if you’re home from work yet, that is).

    Unfortunately, we don’t get to rest. KY and OR straight ahead. Call, call, call, while other people are home this weekend in these important states!

    We are the Hillarmy.

  246. I am a vegetarian but not vegan. Can Veggies become Republicans? Maybe they have rules against this kind of thing.

  247. paddy4Hill – I have never met a Republican vegetarian, now that I think about it. Seems like most of them are beef-eating people.

    But, at least we get less heart attacks.

  248. rgb44hrc Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
    MOVE-ON’s OWN WORDS USED AGAINST THEM?

    I remember that very well. BO’s campaign, Pelosi, pundits, Brazile were all saying that, but when, it looked like, Hillary might end up with the popular vote, the mime changed. How hypocritical. And people wonder, why, many Hillary supporters will not support this fraud.

  249. Sorry for all these links but I’ve been in search of inspiration today and I have found it and want to share.

    TM has the podcast of HRC’s 26 min. conference call with bloggers. She is not giving up. She is not conceding a d@mn thing. She is making the popular vote argument, which has now been recognized by the DNC and she is 50,000+ votes ahead. She goes into the electoral college breakdown and shows how she is ahead. She discusses the fact that both she and Waffles were offered time on Oregon TV for a town hall and since he declined she was given the full hour. She says he won’t debate her anymore and that is a disservice to the voters. (my comment – but he can call out McCain to debate even though he’s not the official nominee).
    I’m going back now to listen to the rest of the podcast but here’s the link for anyone else in search of inspiration.

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/ It’s the second article.

  250. IS OBAMA’s REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS RECORD SO SPONGE-WORTHY??

    More email cleanup stuff worth passing on, especially in light of NARAL’s “Judas” act.

    Here’s ammo from IllinoisNOW on Obama’s abortion record:

    “As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted `present’ on seven abortion
    bills, including a ban on ‘partial birth abortion,’ two parental
    notification laws and three ‘born alive’ bills. In each case, the
    right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over
    standing and fighting for his convictions.” — IllinoisNOW.org

    More:

    “To be clear, voting “present” on those bills was a strategy that IL
    NOW did not support. At that time, we made it clear to the
    legislators that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted
    legislators to take a stand against the harmful anti-choice bills
    being brought to the floor of the Illinois State Senate.
    Voting “present” does not demonstrate leadership and does not send
    the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a
    woman’s right to choose. IL NOW knew that those bills were
    unacceptable to women. Except for these present votes, Senator
    Obama’s record on choice has been excellent, but he has not taken
    leadership on the issue at the same level that Hillary has.

    Ms. Brett asserts that the strategy to vote “present” was devised to
    give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. State
    Senator Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district and he
    could have voted “no” with little negative consequence in his
    district.”

    http://www.illinoisnow.org

    KnowVox

  251. alcina –

    So, if someone offered you cooked cow brain to eat, you’d try it?

    I have to admit…if it was the only way I could eat a meal with Hillary, I’d eat the cow brain.

  252. ****** NEW WEBSITE FOR ORGANIZING ******

    http://www.clintondems.com

    Please sign up and do diaries and post rallys and petitions and comments and whatever!!

    I just got it up, and I want to have a kind of info clearing house for everyone that is pissed and taking action, so please help us all by posting pertinent stuff there when you see it!

  253. Blue Democrat Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    rgb, Damn, you did it again! You’re great with the analogies.

    So how do we say that despite the Clintons sterling record in turning around the country’s fortunes, the party is in the midst of a power play by every loser that’s come down the democratic pike the past 30 years, yet too few know it because the media is almost entirely corrupt?

    Or did I just do it?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    As they say in gymastics, “you stuck the landing”. 10.0, even from the Russian judge!

  254. paddy4Hill Says:

    May 16th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
    I am a vegetarian but not vegan. Can Veggies become Republicans? Maybe they have rules against this kind of thing.

    LOL! here is a response:

    If you are talking about food… this Republican will eat just about anything… cooked!

  255. birdgal, I am also a vegetarian but not a vegan. No one needs to become a Republican in order not to vote for Obama. You could always split your ticket.

  256. basil9 Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    TM has the podcast of HRC’s 26 min. conference call with bloggers.
    &&&&

    Were any of us Big Pink’ers in this podcast? I’m listening to this now, so maybe in a few minutes, it’ll be an Emily Littela, “Never mind…”

  257. Paddy4Hill
    Found this

    “The number of people not eating meat and being vegetarian is highest in the West. Race doesn’t make a big difference. About 6% of females don’t eat meat while only 4% of males abstain. Five percent of Republicans aren’t red blooded meat-eating Americans while 4% of Democrats don’t eat the stuff. Opposite of what you might expect. However, because of the low percentages, the numbers are really about the same. Blue Collar gives the lowest response rate as far as occupation. Yet for income under $15,000 the figure is at 6% for no meat, while over $75,000 the figure is at 4%. We want to repeat, strong conclusions can’t be drawn from these small differences.”

    http://www.vrg.org/journal/vj97sep/979poll.htm

  258. hallow Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
    &&&

    I see you are no longer blacklisted. Five minutes in the penalty box for roughing?

    And did you have to pay a restoral-of-service fee? :^)

  259. filbertsf Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    After almost a year of campaigning and his face all over the media, Obama still has the gall to dismiss KY by saying he’s not very well known in some parts of the U.S.?
    &&&&&&&&

    His face is going to be in every post office soon:

    Have you seen this man?
    Wanted for: stealing elections, voter fraud, consorting with douche bags.
    Aliases: Waffles, Smokey, Obambi, etc.

  260. rjb,
    I repeat to everyone, now that i’ve listened to the entire podcast, this is a MUST LISTEN!!!!!!!!!
    Alegre from TM got in a question as did a blogger from Riverdaughter.
    HRC is astonishing, accessible, brilliant, determined, feisty, committed – she brings up the media bias – she brings up her ‘silent supporters,’ she talks about the irony if the democratic party dismissing voters in Fl and Mi, she acknoldeges she may not have the pledged delegates but is confident she will have the popular vote.
    Do yourselves a favor and listen. Much as I hate phone banking, i will try again tomorrow into Oregon.
    http://www.taylormarsh.com. Third article down.
    nite all
    fiddli

  261. rgb44hrc-

    I dunno. As long as it’s over.

    Did I have to pay? Sure, why not, I’ll donate another $5.44 to Hillary (I skipped lunch today).

  262. Henry, maybe the high numbers for the low income bracket indicates more a case of involuntary vegetarianism.

    Of course, my question about GOP veggies was in jest.

    I may not turn into a Republican, at least for now, but certainly won’t be voting for Obama if he is the nominee.

  263. I have booked my car rental for the Denver convention, I am still trying to decide where and how to stay, cheap motel/camping! I am going though, don’t want to miss history!

  264. Paddy
    I know it was in jest but it piqued my curiosity so I looked it up. And I am right there with ya on being a republican for a day

  265. # birdgal Says:
    May 16th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    moon: I lifted that off a different board, so some of the polls are different, but MSNBC always paints the worse case scenario for Hillary.
    &&&&&&

    MSNBC would be able to, with a straight face, predict Obama’s landslide will be a 49 state blowout, with Sen. McCain barely eking out a victory in his home state of Arizona.

  266. rgb44hrc, Yeah, he sure knows how to do the two step, saying he is not well known in some area, yeah right, he not very well liked in some areas of the U.S. alias, bambi, oblah blah, my personal favorite that I saw somewhere yesterday is Oh blow me!

  267. HillBillylover:

    Sent email about password. Sounds like great billboard/latest info re: organizational purposes for pertinent activities, rather than commentaries/opinions/support group style. Very much needed for GETTING ORGANIZED, FORMING STRATEGY, LAYING BATTLE PLANS.

  268. Yes, I just got it up an hour ago Birdgal! Please post any supportive info or articles in over there and I am also requesting that people email links for supportive sites or organizations.

    It’s time to reclaim our damn party!!!

  269. Hey all

    When you call Kentucky, remind them:

    Obama had a week worth of a chance to campaign in Kentucky, he chose not to. He’s just as well known as Hillary as he’s been fawned over by the media. He just afraid of the Kentuckians. Remind them he CHOSE to go to Michigan and Missouri over Kentucky. He had plenty of time to go to at least 5 major cities in Kentucky (at least 1 per day) he chose not to.

    When you call Oregon:

    Remind them –

    Did Obama choose not to debate Hillary? Despite thousands of oregonians signing the petition including the Governor?

    How well does Obama know Oregon? Great Lakes? Hm? Has Obama campaigned elsewhere besides Portland, does he truly care about Oregon or just wants to win Oregon by hitting Portland? So to nab Oregon?

    Who seems to try to care for not only small parts of America or big parts but all of america?

    NOT THAT PART OF AMERICA? DON’T COP OUT THIS TIME!

  270. Race would be clintons if it were winner-take-all

    marketwatch.com/news/story/race-would-clintons-winner-take-all-format/story.aspx?guid=%7BC62A63AB-E805-425B-9E98-E387B85F71DD%7D&dist=hplatest

  271. The winning coalition Regan put together gave lunch-bucket Democrats, henceforth known as Regan Democrats, a prominent role. This situation came under pressure with the Ginrich coalition that gave evangelicals a leading say and then Bush put hawks and neo-cons in the driver’s seat, all at the expense of the Regan Democrats. These fault lines were revealed in this year’s GOP primary. So they opted for a non-aligned candidate, McCain.

    The Democrats are on the verge of giving the leading role of the Party to AAs and neo-libs. Clinton wants to give this to the Lunch-buckets. If Obama wins, no matter the public face during the GE, the Party coalition will have shifted. Most pundits refuse to address these important changes. No matter, there is about much chance of a Party led by AAs and neo-libs winning a GE as there is for a GOP led by evangelicals and neo-cons. That is why the Republicans are not. They are shedding the Ginrich and Bush coalitions because they are desperate to win.

    The Democrats are on the verge of doing just the opposite, putting the fringes in charge. If Obama is the nominee, GOP voters will come in force to vote against an AA led Party. So McCain can move to the center and re-capture the Lunch-buckets for the GOP. If Clinton is the nominee, he must move to the right to make certain his base does not stay at home in November. Or even worse, vote for her. This will be reflected in his VP pick.

  272. paddy4hill, looks like neither side wants us. I guess the republicans do just to beat the neolibs. I know I will vote for McCain, I don’t see the difference, the lunch buckets will lose either way. We at least will be getting rid of the neolibs.

  273. HillBillyLover

    Yes, adopt away. That’s sorta the point – to put what we’re all thinking into a concise statement that we can all refer back to.

  274. confloyd,
    the neo-libs are not going away anytime soon. In fact they may get stronger as they become richer via globalization (while everyone else gets poorer). These are real rifts in American society. The present political system has to either adapt to these realities or change. According to Arnold Toynbee, these are the types of challenges that all civilizations must be able to overcome, like accommodating new social groups, if they are to be successful.
    Maybe this can be the title for a new book “No Home for the Lunch Buckets.”

  275. paddy4Hill,

    Your posts are also some of my favorites. I love your analyses. They are always right on the mark! 🙂

  276. Right now there are lots of people, such as lawyers working for large Wall Street firms, who are making tons of bucks off the sinking economy. They are buying stocks at rock bottom prices that people adversely affected by the economy must sell at a loss in order to pay the bills or save their house. They will re-sell these same securities at a handsome profit when things get better and stocks recover. These same people are buying houses at foreclosure auctions for next to nothing, once again to sell later. So while many working Americans can hardly afford to buy groceries or drive their car, let alone think about sending the kids to college, others are getting very wealthy.

    These New Rich are not Republicans but Democrats. And they are supporting Obama. This is why he has no financial problems. They don’t want the party to end. This is the “base” of the New Democratic Party.

  277. I wonder how many patronage appointments/favors to repay/promises to keep Obama has sold his soul for.

  278. paddy4Hill-

    Such an eye-opener that it is the Obama-supporting Democrats that are exploiting the very people they supposedly represent. And how about his lame healthcare – all for the hospital 9MO) industry. Then wants to talk about how he doesn’t accept money from lobbyists. He insults EVERYONE’S intelligence on an hou-by-hour basis with his elitist persona.

    Also, speaking of exploitation – that reminds me of the new Evelyn Pringle article about how the Dems and Republicans are behind obama so that when elected, he can “scrub” out the Chicago Combine spider-web.
    One huge, gigantic corrupt political cover-up that spans both parties.

    Talk about an election for the ages. We have to band together and take back this country. There is truly strength in numbers, and by the organizational tools that we are aquiring on a daily basis, it is NOT TOO LATE to turn this whole thing around.

  279. http://www.electionjournal.org/
    Is anybody from Kentucky?
    I just went to the Election Journal and they don’t have any workers at one of their polling places in Kentucky and
    are asking for help. They think it will be a disaster because they are using their new machines. This doesn’t sound good for Hillary. I hope somebody from Hill’s campaign is watching the polls. You know how BO’s people are.

  280. There’s a new pro-hill blog that requires much civility, so I simpled out and posted this:

    Since you invited comments….

    At this point, I’m feeling regretfully inclined to do less ‘words’ with our esteemed opponents, and more heading them off at the pass.

    Sadly I somehow feel somewhat doubtful of reasoned letters having much influence with the DNC or the Honorable Rules Committee. Each mwmber will vote the rules that favor his (probably) candidate. If anything, they will count up who the writers seem to be favor, and adjust their allegience accordingly.

    So maybe it’s a case for action and information, now and through August. The DNC and Obama camp have written off the blue collars, the Reagan Democrats, the gun and church people (as well as various colors other than Black). Now I respectfully propose to inform them of another group they can write off: latte Hillaristas for McCain.

    To show them we’re serious, we’re thinking about a little ‘contingency’ donation fund meme. Each fund receives donations now to be paid out in September: to Hillary if she is the nominee, otherwise to McCain.

    Could you maxed-out women pass this idea around, in the sort of circles that could implement it?

    And to the GOP, who would be the real experts at this sort of thing?

    Farewell now, I’m off to spread sunshine elsewhere….

    (Giddyup, little pony, being careful not to kick dust in the direction of the Great Declared Victor.)

  281. http://www.electionjournal.org/

    Is anyone from Kentucky? I just read an article at the Election Journal and they are asking for help in Kentucky for the election. There is a polling place that has no workers and they are using their new machines for the first time.

    I hope someone from Hill’s camp is watching the polls. You know how BO’s people are.

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