The Math: It was a whomping win in a swing state won by successful Democratic nominees in general elections since 1916. With 93% of the West Virginia vote in Hillary has humiliated Obama with a margin of over 40% of the vote. Obama outspent Hillary. Hillary outworked Obama. Obama hid tonight from the voters – again.
Together, we have won millions and millions of votes – by the time tonight is over, probably 17 million, close to it. We’ve won them in states that we must be prepared and ready to win in November – Pennsylvania and Ohio, Arkansas and New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida, and now West Virginia. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia.
The bottom line is this – the White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. And we have done it by standing up for the deepest principles of our party with a vision for an America that rewards hard work again, that values the middle class and helps to make it stronger.
Big Media and Big Media tool Barack Obama lost big tonight. Thank you voters of West Virginia. Thanks also to the voters in Nebraska who gave Hillary a close loss.
Hillary Clinton made a point tonight in support of the voters of Florida and Michigan.
The Florida and Michigan votes must be counted as they were voted. On to Denver.
Politico, before the votes in West Virginia came in: Here are five indicators that the pros will be watching:
1) How goes Mason County? In 1988 and 2000 — the most recent elections with no incumbent president on the ballot — the county of less than 30,000 residents on the Ohio border was within 5 percentage points of the actual statewide primary results.
Actual results for Mason county: Hillary 72.43%, Obama 18.65%, Edwards 8.92%
2) The Edwards protest vote. John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who ended his Democratic presidential campaign in January, remains on the ballot in West Virginia. And he polled at 4 percent in the Suffolk poll, popular primarily with men and independents.
If Edwards gets that much of the vote or more, it could add to the night’s woes for Obama and presage problems for him in a general election matchup with McCain, particularly in rural states such as West Virginia.
With 92% of the vote in: Edwards 7%
“There are people who for some reason won’t vote for Obama,” said David Paleologos, who directed the Suffolk poll. Edwards’ poll showing, combined with Obama’s relatively low favorability numbers (44 percent favorable and 41 percent unfavorable, compared with Clinton’s 70 percent favorable and 21 percent unfavorable ratings) suggest to Paleologos that “Obama may have to write off West Virginia come November.”
The poll also found 40 percent of respondents would vote for the Democratic nominee if their preferred candidate lost, while 23 percent said they would cross the ballot to vote for McCain.
Third question:
3) Turnout in the southern coal fields, the northern panhandle and the Ohio River counties. These areas, home to some of the most unionized, blue-collar and economically distressed populations in the state, are Clinton country.
Hillary swamped the vote in every county in West Virginia.
4.) Television coverage. The Clinton campaign blames the Obama-as-inevitable story line partly on the saturation television coverage of last week’s huge Obama victory in North Carolina and unexpectedly narrow Clinton win in Indiana. Much of the analysis framed the night as a determinative moment in the campaign. Campaign aides were particularly peeved at Tim Russert’s declaration on MSNBC that “we now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be, and no one is going to dispute it” — even before the network called Indiana for Clinton.
All the Big Media bias is increasingly being turned off by the American people. West Virgina voters ignored Big Media. This was a major loss for Big Media and their tool Barack Obama.
5) Fundraising bounce. Clinton’s campaign has been outspent in nearly every state by Obama’s fundraising juggernaut, and the Clinton campaign acknowledged over the weekend it is $20 million in debt.
Only Hillary supporters can answer this question.
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Contribute directly to the Hillary Clinton campaign (don’t forget to add 44 cents):
West Viginians rejected the presumptive Democratic nominee by a roughly two-to-one margin, one of the widest margins of the primary season. The outcome was the predictable result of familiar demographics: West Virginia’s relatively poor white voters have been Hillary Rodham Clinton’s base since February.
In a stark rejection of Obama in a state Bill Clinton carried in 1992 and 1996, almost half of the Democratic primary voters — typically the most partisan Democrats in a state — said they’d vote for Republican John McCain rather than Obama in November.
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Hillary Clinton in an email tonight:
After tonight’s tremendous victory here in West Virginia, it’s clear that the pundits declaring this race over have it all wrong. The voters in West Virginia spoke loud and clear – they want this contest to go on.
I’m listening to the voters — and to you.
With your help, I’m going to carry the energy of tonight’s victory into the next contests in Kentucky and Oregon. And just as always, I’ll be depending on you to share every step of this journey with me. You have worked your heart out, put yourself on the line for what you believe in, and given generously. And I’m not about to turn my back on you.
YEAH MOTHA FACKAS!!!!
How SWEET it is!
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
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Where were you in ‘08 when our first female President staged the greatest political comeback in modern history?
Admin — You da man (woman?)!
Great post Admin!!! as always
*sigh* My Hillary looks so beautiful. The victory speech was awesome. She was definitely speaking to the SDs.
RJK,
Boy you called it. Looks like it will be right around the 146 you said.
144 w/2% out now.
Nice one Admin!
Fucking Abrams, all he kind find to talk about is Hill as VP.
READ THE SCOREBOARD YOU MOFO!
bill moyers on tavis smiley talking about the race and wright
wow hillary really does look gorgeous while she is the fabulous speaker ever … thats why i can understand her..and she has that expolsive engergy…she does no drifting no on and on no uhhs and huhhs ..uhhs..and she knows what she is talking about to the American people!!
Repub talking heads really tarting to hammer BO’s ‘weakness’.
Operative word right there….
Blue Democrat Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:19 am
BIRDGAL,
Umm.. nice place to visit………..
I live in CA, and have been to Oregon several times. It is a beautiful place, and very diverse. Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon are like 2 separate countries. It is going to be a challenge there. Portland, Eugene, Ashland latte liberals and colleges. Also, there are many CA transplants up there. The demographics are very different, than they were for RFK. Eastern Oregon is very conservative, John McCain country.
djia Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:37 am
bill moyers on tavis smiley talking about the race and wright
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What is Bill Moyers saying?
Everyone knows, that the Republicans are being nice to Hillary and her supporters, because they want part of her coalition, if she doesn’t get the nomination. The courting has started.
carby
I didn’t watch but a few minutes…….they were talking about wright……basically how he’s going to be a issue in the GE
Oregon is interesting to say the least. My best friend lives there. In Portland, for example, there are extremely liberal voters, and then in the surrounding suburbs of Portland, some of the MOST conservative wealthy older voters. Very interesting dynamic there.
if i am to be courted i want a lobster dinner and a diamond ring……or forget it
its like 2am in WV right now…….so wassup its not like they have 400k votes to count!!
I went over to see what their talking about on the daily kooks, they are really on the kool-aid over there. I wished I hadn’t gone!
confloyd…….i made that trip earlier
it actually was a bit slow over there, there wasn’t the hillary bashing like NC/IN primaries
I’ve been watching them all day and the diaries have not really moved much today
Almost Nominee’ Status Keeps Obama in Limbo
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/politics/14obama.html?ref=us
I live in Oregon. The college towns will go Obama…they are Ashland, Eugene, Corvallis, Portland. I am hoping that since they are so close to finals that the students will space out and forget to mail their ballots.
Portland and Salem are pretty liberal, could go Obama. The coastal towns like Florence, Brookings could go either way. The rural areas like Medford, Grants Pass, Bend, Roseburg could go Clinton. In fact Bill has already been in Bend and Medford, and Hillary has been in Medford. These areas are strong Republican strongholds, but Hillary is eeking into the Republican base here.
taylor hampshire mineral counties still need to come in at 100%
When is Kentucky’s primary?
Someone needs to tell Politico with Obama getting 26% of the vote means he was out voted by roughly 3 to1 and not 2 to 1
Does anyone have the exact totals? Votes for HRC, BO, JE?
Carby, next Tuesday. Same day as Oregon.
coulda drove to WV and counted the 2% already!
when did polls close, 7:30?!
SOS, everytime she wins!!!
We better get ready, the pundits will really go after her starting tomorrow, so lets brace ourselves. I just found out my co-worker in a closet Obama supporter. He doesn’t believe anything about Rezko! I guess he’ll have a big shock when he finds out who the real Bambi is!
The media is still lying for Obama…saying he won the popular vote and the most delegates….I’ll give him delegates but popular…hell no.
It’s going to be more popaganda until the fall or when the republican start hammering BO and MO and they will the day after the convention.
I don’t see anything earler unless Bo push the issue…and knowing them they will.
That’s why Hillary Clinton will be the one to beat McCain this fall since Team Obama New Democratic Coalition will just write off people.
dumbasses are spinning that Hillary’s victory speech hints at a Vice Presidency.
Yeah. After a 41% crush, she’s thinking about VP. What part of “we’re in it to win” do these eggheads not get?
confloyd: And I feel like, I am a closet Hillary supporter at work. LOL!
The Vice Presidency is to appease the Hillary Supporters and call them off of BO….don’t buy into the spin, this is another Voter suppression tactic to keep the voters home or at least moving towards Obambi.
The don’t want to see another Hillary thumping on the “annoited one.”
mj
I don’t have actual numbers, but based on percenatges Edwards so far has received a little over 24,000 votes.
well clearly the only ones buying their spin is themselves……..according to the exit polls and the popular vote
well kids…….i can’t stay awake any longer waiting for that last 2%
see you all in the am
rjk,
Yeah, I think Politico is using that Edwards vote to deny calling it 3-to-1 for Hill. The smallness of the people she’s up against….
hi hillfans, i just got home but i did follow the results a little online and tv. the obamabots can’t spin a 41-point, 144,000 vote loss.
CNN is saying that BO will argue that the dems special election win proved that he can win those swing states.
I’ll give Katrina those wina as there is geniune anger over how the Bush/Cheney Admin treated them. So BO will leap frog the SD saying that he can win those states.
It is going to be very, very interesting…g’nite Hillfans, stay strong.
Lesson from West Virginia: Most people don’t give a shit what Big Media pundits say.
Going forward, it seems pretty clear what the plan is for Hillary:
Try like the dickens to win OR. Wining OR can close the deal
If not a win, keep it close. We need the votes
Win KY by the biggest margin possible
Win PR by the biggest margin possible
Get as many votes as possible out of the other smaller states
Why?
Because it is going to come down to an argument between what defines who finishes the season the winner. Obama will say it is delegates, for Hillary, the popular vote. Hence she must be ahead in the popular vote at the end. MI and FL will count. We are not talking about delegates so seating or not seating MI and FL becomes moot.
The Supers and other delegates will then have to decide what constitutes a victory, delegates or popular votes. This decision will then decide the nominee. If Hillary has neither the delegates nor popular vote, it is on to 2012. If she has the numbers, the Supers can decide either informally between the two choices, (delegates or votes) before the convention, or it will go to Denver.This is why everyone keeps thinking it could be decided in June.
Hillary has to have the popular vote or will close shop if she doesn’t. Hence her sadness at losing NC by so much and winning IN by so little. For her, delegates don’t mean a darn anymore. She needs votes. There is little chance he will fall behind in delegates, so his main goal is to prevent her from getting votes.
Now you see why he and his media allies have embarked on their current strategy of pre-announcing him the winner. To scare people from voting. If people stay home and don’t vote, he has a shot of winning the popular vote.
Hence from now on, GOTV is the game plan for Hillary. We get the votes; we have a decent shot at the nomination. Donate and call.
Bots are saying on the daily kooks, this is a loss for Hillary because she did not beat him by better than 52%. They say he as beat her several times with this margin. The states they mention this happening with are the caucas’s. LOL! How can they really believe this? Some of those causes were less that 50,000 votes and they are trying to compare those with this 145,000 vote win. They are in serious denial over there!
paddy4hill, you mean the total popular vote INCLUDING the popular vote counts from MI and FL right?
Childers won the special election after running an ad disassociating from Obama. How can anyone not know that?
Yes, HillGuy.
Carby,
Yeah, they’ve been pointing to that race all night, because it is significant, as Repubs ran ads linking Obama to the Dem candidate in Trent Lott’s old district an lost. I think that’s 3 straight special elections too, after dems didn’t win one in an R district for a decade (according to Todd). So supposedly this gives SD’s comfort that BO won’t be a drag on the ticket. I don’t know if they’ll count on that
Over time, Hill’s gonna look more & more like the surer thing.
That is my favorite part about this, Hillguy. They are telling the media to stuff it, they will vote with their values and “FU Big Media”. It is over when they say it’s over.
confloyd, of course they are deluded. Look at who they are supporting for Christ’s sake!
MJ,
“How can anyone not know that?”
I didn’t. He specifically distanced from BO in his ads?
I saw an interview tonight (I think on Greta) anyway a reporter from OR was asked if Hillary had a chance there and he replied it may be the last sate that can go either way. I disargee with him because I am not giving up on SD and MT. Well I am not giving up on SD (I once found a nugget of gold there and Hillary will too)
Thanks mj
HillGuy Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Lesson from West Virginia: Most people don’t give a shit what Big Media pundits say.
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Why would they, we don’t! Just focus on GOTV and know that TEAM OBAMBI is going to do SUPPRESS THE VOTE USING THEIR ONLY ADVANTAGE MSM that is in the tank for boy gutless.
That is why MO is going to PR they need to stop Hillary because if we can GOTV in PR that will send a big statement that OBAMBI is an empty suit.
I am not giving up on OR, but they have been mailing ballots back fro 10 days now and that worries me a little. I wish we could have those 10 days back.
Yes, MJ, a friend of mine and I just had a convo about that. Childers came out with an saying “people are trying to link me to candidates I don’t even know” about Obama.
I thought it was funny that no one mentioned that.
mj, you might know this… how many people came out to vote in NC?
rjk1957, I posted my theory on SD earlier as well. Hillary has a rather good chance of winning there despite Gutter Ball’s big name endorsements (Daschle), such as:
1) It’s a closed Dem primary. She always wins amongst Dems.
2) Less than 1% of Dem voters in SD are AA.
3) There is no huge, liberal city in SD (like Portland in OR).
4) SD does not have a huge college/university population.
5) IT’S NOT A CAUCUS!
I just got my Oregon ballot a few days ago, rjk1957. We have time if we call right now to GOTV for Hillary.
Blue Democrat Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:58 am
coulda drove to WV and counted the 2% already!
when did polls close, 7:30?!
SOS, everytime she wins!!!
no foolin every time…and been back and forth home 3 times over bluedem..lol..for them 2% votes
in the western part the colleges are all out ..already had graduation
in sd
We got to treat next week primaries like we did TEXAS…NO distractions JUST GOTV for Hillary.
Oblameless lost tonight did hurt him badly because he won NADA, no counties, lost most of his core base…that hurt him because it continue his slide in his core base with young people.
The reason we lost predominantly “white” states like WI is because of same day voter registration which permitted Repugs to infiltrate our primary. They voted for the weaker candidate to go against in the Fall, Gutter Ball. Also, WI has a HUGE college/university population with many cities devoted to this demographic.
None of the above problems will be a factor in South Dakota.
Montana, however, does not have registration by party, so Repugs will be able to vote for Dem candidates. It will be interesting to see whether they vote against Gutter Ball for his stance on guns (since guns are HUGE in MT), or if they will vote for the weaker candidate to compete against in the Fall. Remember, Bill Clinton won MT in the 1992 GE.
finally 99% in.
HRC by 145, 249.
It’s the voters stupid. Wolfson is making THE argument on Michigan and Florida. Count all the votes the way they were voted. Wolfson also makes the point that Hillary is being outspent but still winning.
Accept no Math that does not include Florida and Michigan. Two and a half million people matter. 1 single vote matters – the lesson of 2000.
We want to see a lot more of this. On to Denver.
CJ,
Kinda seems like they don’t ever want to talk about the popular vote, eh?
If the final tally doesn’t come in while they’re live they can’t – or won’t.
Of course they can estimate but choose not to.
Maybe it tells us what they’re most afraid of.
she mentioned sen byrd during the speech warmly-said they spoke. i onder if she secured his backing?
Howard was outstanding tonight, rock-solid.
I am off to dream of Hillary raising her hand and being sworn in as the FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT.
Goodnight all!
Admin, thanks for this sanctuary.
Carbynew – (W)right on!
No distractions. GOTV.
Someone posted earlier the votes already in Oregon and the race there is tight. Let’s humiliate Obama on May 20 with victories in Kentucky and Oregon (or at least come real, real close) on the day the clothes-less Emperor intends to crown himself with “Mission Accomplished”.
Jeralyn over at TalkLeft posted that Nightline is really good tonight. No bias, just factually laying out the state of the race.
Oh holy hell! Dumbass couldn’t even break 30%. The anointed one was kept to a lowly 26%.
This one is for Gorto.. Astrology Prediction for BO, HRC, JM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvhe8vAtLvs
socal4hill
the only thing I got out of that video is that Hillary will be 44 because Obama will have a wart on his southern Uranus.
Where is Idunn when ya need her?
The media keeps talking delegates, delegates etc. The truth of the matter is Obama may end up with more, but he still does not and will not have enough to be the official winner at the end. This is the real math. No winner in delegate count by June. If he is behind in the popular vote, Hillary can and will challenge his claim as victor. The delegates will then have to decide which are more important, delegates or popular votes. All the votes will need to be included (MI/FL) in any calculation about votes but not necessarily delegates. HENCE WE MUST WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!
thatsright blue 1 % always after there not live ..there scared to death of hillary!!!
jesus Christ. is someone in West Virginia still couting vo@ 3am?
They fucking stop @ 99%?!
Ballbusters!
paddy,
They can talk delegates all they want. The one thing they always seem to leave out is that all of the 3600 delegates already alligned with one candidate or another can change their minds and vote for anyone at the convention
More on Howard Wolfson tonight. Donna Brazile stuck defending discriminatory rules. Howard Wolfson said the voters matter. The voters voted and will not be punished. Wolfson also said the votes should be counted in “the manner people voted”. Wolfson made the point that Obama was on the ballot and then Obama took his name off the ballot.
We like.
rjk, exactly. So they can decide to give their support to the winner of the popular vote. Many will. Why? Because of the EC math. Additionally, she can win over independents, Reagan democrats, women republicans, as well as Democrats. He can’t. (He says otherwise but these last few contests have proved him wrong). We just need to provide them the reason to vote for her. The popular vote is that reason.
Obama knows this. This is why he is already saying that the nomination has always gone to the person with the highest number of delegates. We need to do some historical research. Democratic conventions go all the way back to the 1820s. If I remember correctly, this has not always been the case. Some even went for compromise candidates not even running.
Keep in mind that Obama has stated that every Democratic convention has nominated the person with the most delegates. Just doing some initial research the very first convention I reviewed was the 1844 convention. I selected it randomly. This is from Wikipedia:
Polk initially hoped to be nominated for vice-president at the Democratic convention, which began on May 27, 1844. The leading contender for the presidential nomination was former President Martin Van Buren, who wanted to stop the expansion of slavery. Other candidates included James Buchanan, General Lewis Cass, Cave Johnson, John C. Calhoun, and Levi Woodbury. The primary point of political contention involved the Republic of Texas, which, after declaring independence from Mexico in 1836, had asked to join the United States. Van Buren opposed the annexation but in doing so lost the support of many Democrats, including former President Andrew Jackson, who still had much influence. Van Buren won a simple majority on the convention’s first ballot but did not attain the two-thirds supermajority required for nomination. After six more ballots, when it became clear that Van Buren would not win the required majority, Polk was put forth as a “dark horse” candidate. The eighth ballot was also indecisive, but on the ninth, the convention unanimously nominated Polk, supported by Jackson.
His case is weak.
who says a woman can’t do more with less…
Hillary has earned 182 superdelegates alone in just the 17 states she won
her opponent had to win 28 states just to get 169
(this does not include “crossover” superdelegates from the lost states of either candidate or territories that have voted or the not yet voted primaries
who have superdelegates committed so far. thats why the #’s don’t total actual tallies)
This is Obama’s WORST performance of the entire campaign. He will fail to reach the number he did in Arkansas (26.25%).
Had Edwards not been in the contest, HRC wins her largest victory of the contest, eclipsing her 43+% win in Arkansas.
This emasculation of Obama comes AFTER he was proclaimed the presumptive nominee and AFTER he announced plans to throw a victory party in Oregon. Neither of these factors is coincidental. Between the lockstep-voting of AA’s (92%) and the Elite Triad’s (Effete Dem Elites/Obamas/MSM) desire to push Clinton out of the race, what we witnessed tonight was straight-out backlash. And it’s going to get worse. I don’t care how loud or vocal you are, if you constitute but 11% of the national electorate and you’re going around trying to tell the other 89% that they’re racist while the members of your 11% is voting for the candidate who shares your ethnicity at a 92% clip, you are only going to get so far before the 89% starts looking at the 92% figure and collectively goes “WTF? We’re racists, or voting based on race?!?!” The parlor tricks are off. The bamboozling is complete.
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Kentuckians, it is time to start getting pissed.
West Virginians are being hailed as ‘racists’ from all corners of the blogosphere media. You, Kentuckians, are being warned in advance that if you dare to vote for the first female with a serious chance at the Presidency, you will be called racists and your sanity, intellect, etc. will be challenged by the elites who feel they are better than you and who, when they have the chance and they’re in San Francisco, rip the hell out of you to their friends.
Kentucky — You going to take this sh*t?
We know you won’t. None of us would either.
Today was the bill coming due for The South Carolina Memo, D-Wild Doug Wilder, Jimmy Clyburn, J-Jax, Jr. and a whole bunch of other POS that have done their best to set back race relations in this country by decades. These individuals, and their Borg Collective, are antithetical to everything this country is about and would have repulsed MLK had he been alive. The level of contempt which I, and many others who know exactly what has happened this season, have for these race-baiting miscreants is boundless. Each and every last one of them deserves to be electorally targeted and driven from office, permanently, in the same way Jax Sr’s punk kid tried to bully John Lewis with. They are race pimps, period. And our party shouldn’t be doing business with their ilk.
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Now, those licking their 40+-point loss are trying two tactics tonight, and both are false.
1. Caucus margins of victory do not equate to primary margins of victory. That dog won’t hunt, it best stay on the porch. The will of the voters, as Texas so aptly demonstrated, is NOT recorded in caucuses, especially when the candidate who does well with working-class voters doesn’t get to receive those working-class votes because caucuses are only like 2 hours long (as opposed to all-day voting at primary polls) when many people are at work. BZZZZZTTTT.
2. The MS special election.
Yes, Childers won. Good stuff.
What you’re NOT hearing, however, is HOW he won. That is, by giving media interviews and spending campaign $$$ to run commercials specifically distancing himself from Obama.
I can see it now, the official DNC 50-state strategy:
“Running to win: How our downticket Dems will succeed in November by fleeing our party’s presidential nominee, all the while draining our campaign coffers by having to run multiple ads explaining how they really don’t know Obama nor does he reflect their views.”
Ha ha ha. Orange Azmodeus, you are due up for the next VillarrealSports.com’s “Worst Blogger on the Planet” for your horse excrement piece on this subject tonight. You have reached nadirs which should be beyond even you.
Ah, well. You can’t be too hard on them. Electoral affairs which end up being proctology examinations for your favorite cult leader often end like this. So, for tonight, we’ll send them off with a pat on the head and some fine parting gifts.
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Tonight we have witnessed what desperation will do to the souls of men. It will render them devoid of all reason and ability to discern reality. As with all cults, they will happily board the Titanic, over and over again, even when the vessel is halfway to Davey Jones’ locker.
Tonight, we got our first answer to the question being posed to the Obamaphants over the next several weeks — “What you going to do when hell is unleashed on you?”
The short answer is simple:
Cover the ears and eyes allow denial to take over the typing duties.
Ha ha ha.
Ain’t victory grand?
A toast, to all of my fellow reality-based Hillary supporters.
Tonight is our night. We have routed the enemy, and he is in full, unmitigated and most ignominious retreat.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
paddy,
Obama is wrong about the person with the most delegates heading into the convention has not always won the nomination.
I didn’t go back too far, but in 1968 Humphrey was the nominee and did not participte in any primaries and in 1952 Tennessee Senator Kefauver went into the convention leading in delegates and lost the nomination to Stevenson. Prior to the 60’s not all states held primaries or caucuses, the state party selected the delegates and the convention was pretty much a free for all.
I will continue doing research on this topic. I am willing to bet that the majority of Democratic conventions DID NOT nominate the person going in with the highest number of delegates. Will keep you posted on the results.
he only got 26%, OMG, i am pissing myself laughing.
I have just sent the following message to the campaign and will be distributing it to several other outlets shortly. Here is what I wrote to the campaign:
“I have just looked up the data, and it is official:
This is Obama’s WORST showing of the campaign season, The 25.7% he received in WV eclipses the low he had previously set in Arkansas, 26.25%.
This needs to be shouted from the mountaintops, in one form or another.
All of this after he announced himself the winner of the nomination and said he was going to party in Oregon.
Had Edwards not been on the ballot, the margin (41%) would have eclipsed that in Arkansas (around 44%).
There is no washing over this defeat. It is total and utter.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com ”
Admin, please put this up when you make your next post if you see fit. The world needs to know how the presumptive, ready-to-party-in-Oregon ‘nominee’ just suffered his worst performance of the entire campaign season AFTER he was annoited by both the Party and the MSM. This is an absolute catastrophe, and the worst time possible for Obama to suffer his worst outing as a potential nominee.
Wow. FREAKING wow!!
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
Presence and Absence
A few things strike me about the West Virginia results that are not getting much attention, even on the blogs.
First, it is not just that Hillary won the WV primary. Hillary won it with an incredible turn out. I’m looking at the NYT page with 93% reporting and her vote tally is 223,509. CNN is a little ahead of the Times on its count, its numbers being 97% and 232,773. To put this into perspective, Bill got 331,001 in 1992 and 327,812 in 1996, Al Gore got 295,497 in 2000 and Kerry got 326,541 in 2004. Thoise aren’t primary numbers – those are general election totals. Her current (not final) numbers show her getting between 71% and 79% of what the last three Democratic presidential candidates got, and it’s only the primary.
The fantasy that she’s somehow not attractive to swing state voters needs to be laid to rest. Had Gore or Kerry won West Virginia – just that one state – they would have won it all. (Caveat that Gore really did win Florida, of course…). Just as Obama appeals to AA voters, Hillary appeals to Scots-Irish whites. This is a benefit to the party because it means more votes in border states that have been red recently but can be moved back to the blue column.
Hillary is a presence in this election. People in primary states are turning out in the millions for her and are growing increasingly loyal as the political powers that be refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of her run and the reality of her support.
Second, there was the complete absence of the much lauded Obama machine bringing in new voters and transcending politics as usual. Again, here’s some perspective. He currently has 86,861 WV votes (NYT) in a hotly contested campaign for the nomination. John McCain, in a “Hi, nice meeting you, give me money,” victory lap in WV is currently at 83,791 votes, barely 3,000 behind the odds-on-favorite for Dem nomination. OK, I can see a loss in a state where demographics favor your opponent, but 41%? Of the front-running presumptive nominee? Who outspent Hillary 2-to-1 and has the entire MSM lined up singing his praises?
Where’s the beef, Barry?
In contest after contest, we see him failing to turn out the massive numbers that his allegedly unstoppable movement says they command. We see dominance in highly restrictive caucuses. We see him turning out super-majorities of AA voters. We see him dominating urban areas where you have upper income liberals. We see the college aged children of those liberal families voting in university areas.
What we aren’t seeing is any new coalitions for the Democratic Party coming out of his organizing. We aren’t seeing his share of the electorate increase. If anything, it is declining, given his defeats in OH, TX, PA, IN and WV, and what looks like a royal shellacking in the works in KY. His Oregon numbers are equivocal, as it turns out, as people who claim to have voted already report voting for Hillary at the same rate as Obama. In a Nebraska primary held today, which was like Washington State’s with no delegates awarded, he’s barely 2 points ahead. This was a caucus state that went for him 60/40. Hmm, maybe he didn’t have all that much support there? Maybe he won big there because the voters didn’t turn out?
It is beginning to look like the main reason for Obama’s red state caucus successes is the absence of voters, not the presence of new ones. I’m reminded of a tornado that tears through a landscape and can exert tremendous force, but when the motion slows, it vanishes, leaving nothing but destruction behind it.
Anglachel
http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/05/presence-and-absence.html#links
texan4hillary, very good points you raise. Thanks so much.
texan4hillary, we noticed the turnout numbers last night but wanted to wait until 100% of the vote was in before mentioning it. Also, we simply could not believe the numbers.
If you reference the Jay Cost toy, he estimated 94% of the Kerry vote in West Virginia would turn out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/chooseyourown.html
94% of the Kerry vote would have netted Hillary 122,779 votes. The numbers for Hillary in the actual vote were higher. We were frankly surprised that the turnout would therefore have to be higher than 94%. It was too astonishing to believe without final vote totals data. It’s still too astonishing to believe but apparently West Virginia voters came out in massive numbers.
Astonishing.
Yes admin, astonishing.
The people have had their say. American society is in full revolt against the powers that be. They are angry that a small group of persons in positions of power in the Democratic Party, the media, and finance have conspired together to select on behalf of the people their leaders. Usually they get away with pulling fast ones over the eyes of a complacent citizenry. This time they have gone too far.
A revolt of this magnitude has not occurred for quite some time on our soil. Even Hillary probably had no idea when she began her quest that she would be the instrument of the American people in retaking their beloved Republic from the hands of a corrupt group of cronies and brigands. But it has happened. And the spark that would ignite the prairie fire began in all places in West Virginia. Hardy folk they are and down to earth.
This is no ordinary political phenomena. It is a movement. And unlike the fake one from the other side, one that is solidly grounded in the average working people of this land. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Now the real battle for the soul of America will commence.
Goodmorning everyone. Rep Rahl (Obama SD) lost his re-election right? Does he loose is SD status? Shouldn’t this give the SD’s in WV pause as to what supporting Obama can get you in that State?
GREAT POST ADMIN! (as usual)
Sing it to me John Denver!
Let’s have a blowout in KY and OR!
AND………..let’s storm the May 31 meeting with all the FL & MI advocacy groups staging protests at meeting site!!!!!!!
AND………..let’s do what we can to get Larry Sinclair and Pastor Manning a press conference together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For those of you last week who were planning or are still planning to forsake the Democratic Party for the Republicans, I offer for your examination some more about the exciting prospect of Mike Huckabee joining McCain on his ticket. Another white protestant male coupled with another white protestant male. Certainly a forward looking Party that is in synch with the needs of modern America.
usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/5/13/a-mccain-huckabee-ticket-the-right-reacts.html
Some are complaining he is too far left!!!!!
I understand your concern about the Republican ticket.
However, Obama has nothing in his agenda in reference to Women. We are having a convention of women here in NM. He is sending his wife, instead of coming himself. There are some worrisome indications about O’s stand on women’s rights. Then there are the slights that he has shown in public againt Senator Clinton.
This has not been discussed, but the man basically does not have a stand on women’s rights. It is like they really don’t exists. The possible exception is his stand on partial birth abortion, which would come out in a GE, which no one talks about, but I am sure the Republicans will.
I keep hearing the Howard Dean had this planned long ago, and had orchastraed this take over of the Democratic party. He wants his person to win, and not the Clintons.
We should have never put him in charge of the DNC especially after he HEE HAW performance.
NewMexico, its twiddle Dee and twiddle Dum as far as I am concerned, that is between Obama and McCain with regards to women’s rights. Except for Hillary making it so, it is another non-issue for the guys. They are both more concerned about debating glaciers than about the 51% of Americans who are female. At least we know from this experience who really controls the media, and both Parties (males) in spite of all the BS from progressives about gender equality.
Caroline Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Goodmorning everyone. Rep Rahl (Obama SD) lost his re-election right? Does he loose is SD status? Shouldn’t this give the SD’s in WV pause as to what supporting Obama can get you in that State?
Whoa. What happened?
Y E A H !
Paddy4Ill
I understand that, but we need to start making that an issue. We also need to start fighting harder for Hillary right now. Women control the money in this country, yet we don’t support the women candidates like we should. It is like the black white issue. Men support men, but women want to be fair.
We need to change that.
Thanks for the comments.
she won with a 41% route!!!!!
and a 147,410 vote lead!!!!
HILLARY IS 44 !!!
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LGN or Bush Cheney Energy Bill that Obama voted for and Hillary opposed
LGN is Liquid Natural Gas pipline that will run along our coastline and private farmlands (eminent domain). The state has no say because it’s a federal bill. Hillary will give back the state the right to make it’s own decisions.
Let’s keep the momentum going… MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY!!
She almost made it to 150,000. I wonder if this includes absentee, and provisional ballots. We could make some more head way there. Does anyone know?
I know you think that contacting the uncommitted Delegates is important.
But we need to start thinking about contacting the committed. The vote does not count until Denver. It is time to start putting doubt in their minds.
NewMexicoFan…….you are absolutely right…….we should be contacting ALL SD!
I think someone here that can write really well…..which obviously isn’t me LOL
should write us a well said form letter that we can all use to send to the SD
anyone up for the task??
A big THANK YOU to all the fantastic people who made W. Virginia the humongous, Obama ass chomping success it was.
Just keep trying to brush us off of your shoulder, buddy. Ain’t gonna happen. Hillary 08
FANTASTIC MORNING! 41% victory! Throw in Edwards 7% and Waffles was defeated by almost 50%!
I saw this amazing list at TM. It’s a list of SD’s where HRC WON their states and yet they committed to Waffles. Anyone have any idea of how we can use this?
(Posted by LOM)
Here is a list of SDs supporting Barack Obama, but their states went for Clinton:
Del. Eni FH Faleomavaga, AS
Theresa Hunkin, AS
Gov. Janet Napolitano, AZ
Rep. Harry Mitchell, AZ
Rep. Raul Grijalva, AZ
DNC Charlene Fernandez, AZ
Rep. Anna Eshoo, CA
Rep. Xavier Becerra, CA
Rep. Barbara Lee, CA
Rep. Adam Schiff, CA
Rep. George Miller, CA
Rep. Linda Sanchez, CA
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, CA
Rep. Lois Capps, CA
DNC Hon. Eric Garcetti, CA
DNC Norma Torres, CA
DNC Jeremy Bernard, CA
DNC Mary Ellen Early, CA
DNC Alexandra Gallardo-Rooker, CA
DNC Steven Alari, CA
DNC Inola Henry, CA
DNC Edward Espinoza, CA
DNC Vernon Watkins, CA
DNC Crystal Strait, CA
Rep. Robert Wexler, FL
DNC Allan Katz, FL
DNC Joyce Cusack, FL
Rep. Kathy Castor, FL
Dan Gelber, FL
Rep. Andre Carson, IN
Rep. Baron Hill, IN
Rep. Joe Donnelly, IN
DNC Cordelia Lewis Burks, IN
DNC Connie Thurman, IN
DNC Joe Andrew, IN
Gov. Deval Patrick, MA
Sen. John Kerry, MA
Sen. Ted Kennedy, MA
Rep. William Delahunt, MA
Rep. Michael Capuano, MA
DNC John Walsh, MA
DNC Margaret Xifaras, MA
DNC Raymond Jordan, MA
DNC David O’Brien, MA
DNC Alan Solomont, MA
DNC Paul Kirk, MA
Rep. John Conyers, MI
Rep. Steve Rothman, NJ
Rep. Donald Payne, NJ
DNC Christine “Roz” Samuels, NJ
DNC Donald Norcross, NJ
DNC Dana Redd, NJ
DNC Steven Horsford, NV
DNC Teresa Benitez-Thompson, NV
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, NH
Rep. Paul Hodes, NH
DNC Hon. Martha Fuller Clark, NH
Gov. Bill Richardson, NM
Sen. Jeff Bingaman, NM
Fmr DNC Chair Fred Harris, NM
DNC Brian Colon, NM
Laurie Weahkee, NM
DNC Marianne Spraggins, NY
DNC David Wilhelm, OH
DNC Sonni Nardi, OH
DNC Mark Mallory, OH
DNC Rhine McLin, OH
DNC Enid Goubeaux, OH
Dave Regan, OH
Gov. Brad Henry, OK
DNC Kitti Asberry -, OK
DNC Kalyn Free, OK
Reggie Whitten, OK
Sen. Bob Casey, PA
Rep. Patrick Murphy, PA
Rep. Chaka Fattah, PA
DNC Carol Ann Campbell, PA
DNC Leon Lynch, PA
Rep. Patrick Kennedy, RI
DNC Patrick Lynch, RI
Rep. Jim Cooper, TN
Rep. Steve Cohen, TN
DNC Lois DeBerry, TN
DNC Will Cheek, TN
DNC (Rep.) Eddie Bernice Johnson, TX
Rep. Chet Edwards, TX
Rep. Al Green, TX
Rep. Lloyd Doggett, TX
Rep. Charlie Gonzalez, TX
DNC Al Edwards, TX
DNC Rep. Hon. Yvonne Davis, TX
DNC Moses Mercado, TX
DNC Senfronia Thompson, TX
DNC Roy LaVerne Brooks, TX
DNC John Patrick, TX
Sen. Jay Rockefeller, WV
Rep. Nick Rahall, WV
LOM | 05.14.2008 – 02:22 am | #
Sorry.
Meant to add that’s almost 100 delegates!!!!!!!
MEDIA WATCH:
Yahoo’s top stories “In the news” don’t mention WV results at all.
If you go to Election 08, you get the “nothing’s happening, let’s move it along” treatment. Headline: Clinton’s W. Va victory does little to slow Obama.
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Do you think they could struggle any harder on Obama’s behalf? What, a 41% blowout is ho-hum, but Obama’s 14% NC results were treated as complete thrashing.
NYT and WashPost also are quite stingy in their headlines, both describing it as Clinton winning “handily”. Obama’s NC was winning handily. This was a tad more than that.
Why am I not surprised?
I am wondering if Admin can help us with that. If we could just be given the key points and percentages, then we could put it together in a letter to these people. We could select the key points that are important in that SDs state.
It might also help to be focused in on the SDs that they think we could switch.
For instance my Governor is a waste of time. But we might have a change with Sen Bingaman? Our State Chair has been geared all along, but Bingaman has now show that slant.
However, I think Admin know where we can best spend out efforts. One thought is SDs who are up for re-election, and how that affected Childers.
By the way, when I asked on this list for people to contact our Chair, before he declared, he got hundreds of email.
Thank you for that support.
West Virginia has earned my eternal respect. Those people see clearly.
Nikk2, your state represented! That was incredible last night!
We have to work on KY to get her margins up over 20% and many calls to OR as they are voting now.
Hopefully, the magnitude of her win will swing more votes her way in OR.
Messnbc is a whore for Obama. I refuse to watch that channel. Greta was actually very good last night, she asked the probing questions that needed to be asked re caucus’ not being conducive to Sen. Clinton’s base, Obama dissing the people of WV etc.
What a coward, he didn’t even campaign there. Let’s see what he does in KY.
What WV showed (besides a decided preference for Clinton) is that the voters are giving a big EFF YOU to the media itself.
The media is spinning and scared, not just because their guy is losing, but because THEY are losing. The public is IGNORING them. That is the thing that scares them more than an Obama loss – the loss of their OWN power to drive public opinion.
tiburones
He did campaign there, just not in person. He out spent her 2 or 3 to 1. This is important, as when we say he did not campaign, it looks like if he tried he could have done better.
He had a lot more staff there than Clinton also.
She was close to mattching the number of votes candidates get in a GE. This is the sign of a candidate at the top of the ticket, not a VP.
hillaryfortexas,
Reminds me of the ’situation comedies’ and other shows trotted out at the beginning of the Fall season with glowing reviews and critical acclaim which are canceled after a couple of airings.
The voters have canceled BSM (bull-sh!t media)
Doin’ the Math:
CNN loves “doing the math”, as if their numbers are carved in stone. But we’ve seen that it matters what numbers you count.
MI/FL? not-so-much.
So Brazile was asked by John King flat out: What if Obama reaches the lower threshold of 2,025 (dels needed without FL/MI) prior to 5/31 (when the DNC will make some kind of decision about FL/MI), but he doesn’t have it all in committed delegates (it’s essentially not possible, if not totally IMpossible, at this point), that they’d include SDs, would he be declared “the winner”. Brazile said “Yes”.
I almost fell off my chair.
Then King pointed out that SDs only really cast their vote in August. (and we know SDs can switch). I don’t recall how the rest of it played out. I believe this occurred around midnight during Andersen Cooper’s show.
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So there’s your smoking gun. Brazile must be removed from her DNC position if she a) doesn’t know the rules, or b) flagrantly ignores the rules.
basil9
You are so correct. The media hypes them up, and you sometimes almost know immediately that there is nothing there.
Yet, they act like the show is the second coming of something.
That so related to O, and what has gone on here. His weaknesses do not matter, his speeches are from GOD, and it matter more about winning Caucuses (which disenfranchise voters), than it matters about winning a real vote of the people.
The real people of WV told them resoundingly yesterday, where they stood, so late in the game, regardless of the media sell, and the Chair of the Party.
Like I said we should have ditched Dean when he said Yee Haw.
Here’s a great site for commited super delegates and uncommitted.
http://www.demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
May 14, 2008, 7:00 a.m.
Hillary: I’m Here, Get Used To It
And a landslide in West Virginia doesn’t hurt.
By Byron York
If the Democratic presidential race were a runaway, if Barack Obama were, say, 1,500 delegates ahead of Hillary Clinton, then there would likely not be so many anguished cries for Clinton to quit the race.
Just look at 1992. Bill Clinton is fond of saying he didn’t wrap up the Democratic nomination until June 2 of that year, when he won the California primary. That’s technically true, but Clinton was the clear winner long before that. Nevertheless, former California Gov. Jerry Brown stubbornly stayed in the race, even though going into June 2, he had 388 delegates to Clinton’s 2,059. (Clinton’s total was, at the time, 86 short of locking up the nomination.)
Brown hadn’t been taken seriously since losing the New York primary on April 7, but he kept at it. His campaign became so quixotic that in late May, during a visit to an elementary school in South Central Los Angeles, a nine year-old asked him, “What do you plan to do to get more delegates to win this campaign?” “That’s a very good question,” Brown answered, according to an Associated Press report. “What do you think we should do?”
There was no good answer, but who cared? Brown could stay in as long as he liked because his presence didn’t really matter. But Hillary Clinton’s campaign, which is not only not 1,500 delegates behind Barack Obama but might, by some reckoning, catch up with him in the popular vote total — and in any event remains excruciatingly close to Obama in all measures — is different. Obama’s supporters, in the campaign, in the Democratic party, and in the press are desperate for her to leave the race precisely because her support is so substantial; her continued presence is a daily reminder of how profoundly divided the party is at this moment.
Her landslide 67-26 victory over Obama in West Virginia — she won by 147,410 votes — won’t change that situation. The oft-repeated fact that no Democrat since 1916 has won the White House without winning West Virginia won’t change it, either. But together, those two facts show just how far Democrats have ventured into uncharted territory this year. If Obama is to win the White House, he’ll have to do it in a brand-new way, winning states that Democrats haven’t won lately with diminished support in states that have been important to Democratic victories in the past. Clinton’s campaign reminds Democrats of that, and it makes some of them nervous.
The West Virginia results were as across-the-board as you can get. She won 57-34 among men and 70-24 among women. She won 64-25 among voters who attend church more than once a week and 64-34 among voters who never go to church. She won 69-24 among voters without a college degree and 54-39 among voters with a degree. She won 69-25 among voters who make less than $50,000 a year and 58-34 among voters who make more than that. She won 65-28 among voters who think the economy is the most important issue, 57-37 among voters who think the war in Iraq is the most important issue, and 68-23 among voters who think health care is the most important issue. She won 67-26 among white voters. (We don’t know the breakdown among black voters, because they were too few in number — West Virginia is 95 percent white — for exit pollsters to calculate, although results in other states suggest that blacks probably voted 90-plus percent for Obama.) She won 67-25 among voters who have a union member in their household and 63-31 among voters who don’t. She won 56-38 among voters under 30 years old, 63-27 among voters between 30 and 44 years old, 65-27 among voters between 45 and 59 years old, and 68-28 among voters 60 and older. Among all voters, 70 percent want the campaign to continue, against just 24 percent who want it to end as soon as possible.
It’s no wonder Obama didn’t give a speech last night. But Clinton did, and she made it clear that the Democrats who are just dying for her to leave the race will have to just die for a while longer.
“Now, there are some who have wanted to cut this race short,” she told supporters in Charleston. “They say, ‘Give up. It’s too hard. The mountain is too high.’ But here in West Virginia, you know a thing or two about rough roads to the top of the mountain. . . . I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.”
Clinton repeated her insistence that delegates from Florida and Michigan — “all of their delegates” — be seated. “I believe we should honor the votes cast by 2.3 million people in those states,” she said. Her demand was pooh-poohed in some circles of the commentariat, but the question for Democrats is: Why is that such a radioactive proposition? This is the party that got rather excited over 537 votes in Florida in 2000, the party that would like to pass something called the Count Every Vote Act, the party that has consistently favored greater enfranchisement over stricter enforcement of the rules (and sometimes the law). Sure, Clinton wants to change the agreement that existed going in to Florida and Michigan, but circumstances have changed, too. Since when have Democrats been such sticklers for unbending rules? Why do so many in the party insist that millions of votes in two key states be counted only if they don’t matter — that is, if the result is a fait accompli — and not be counted if they do?
If they were counted now — even if some of them were counted now — things might be quite different. According to the Real Clear Politics total, when one includes estimated vote totals in caucus states (a factor which favors Obama) plus results from Florida (which favor Clinton), but nothing from Michigan, where Obama’s name was not on the ballot, Obama’s lead in the national popular vote is 411,915. That figure is less than Obama’s margin of victory in his home of Cook County, Illinois, where, according to the Illinois Board of Elections, Obama won by 429,052 votes. By other counts, Obama’s lead is far less than his winning margin in Cook County. In other words, take away Cook County and Obama is the loser in the national popular vote race. He’s the president of Chicago.
Nevertheless, the Obama steamroller goes on. “This race, I believe, is over,” former Democratic party chairman — and Clinton supporter — Roy Romer told reporters on an Obama conference call Tuesday morning. “It is time for the party to unify, to get beyond the primary season, and to begin the general election.” His words echo those of dozens of top party figures in recent weeks. But they haven’t quite answered Hillary Clinton’s fundamental question: Why?
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Byron York, NR’s White House correspondent, is the author of the book The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy: The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President — and Why They’ll Try Even Harder Next Time.
The above post may be a from a conservative perspective, but our belief is now confirmed! If Hillary continues, she will gain the popular vote and the party who claimed Gore was the winner over Bush, will have to claim Hillary as the person who got more votes!
Is there anyway Oregon is winnable?
I want Oregon winnable, but I don’t want to be suckered by the polls anymore.
They did that to us in NC.
This vanquishing of the money and BS machine in West Virginia is just the tonic we all have needed after the results of the recent past. It was a formidable victory for Hillary and could be the turn of the tide now that we are in the home stretch. There has NEVER been a primary like this. Could you imagine anything more bizarre?
Oregon is a weird blend of latte liberal land in the cities, and hard core conservatives in the rural areas. Oregon is not winnable, but we can keep the margins down.
I haven’t yet figured out how to use this but it’s supposedly an online lobbying tool for SD’s.
http://www.lobbydelegates.com/Default.aspx
It’s nice to wake up to a new post. Thanks admin.
I had an awful night last night after I was posting here. I finished off the cake and felt bloated…then my sister called and we had a big fight (politics were no small part of it) and I took it out on myself by getting really drunk.
Today will be a better day, I’m sure. Self-harm is never the answer. Hillary is.
Robert Novak still insists his big BHO rumor is true!
On Fox a couple of hours ago he said he has checked it out with the Clinton campaign, and they say they are still trying to find a good way to release the information. He says they insist this will make BHO unelectable.
He says they’ve told him this will be bigger than Rezko, Ayers, and anything else being discussed. He has volunteered to be the one to publish the story if they will simply give it to him.
I have no reason to believe Novak, but it might help to explain why Hillary is confidently charging ahead while going deeper in debt. She seems very sure of getting the nomination, and maybe there is more to that than just politics. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe a story that important has not been leaked already. Maybe this old rumor is still only a rumor. I would love to believe it though.
Caroline
Who is Rep Rahl? Never heard of him.
Tonight I’m gonna have myself a real good time
I feel alive and the world it’s turning inside out Yeah!
I’m floating around in ecstasy
So don’t stop her now don’t stop her
‘Cause she’s having a good time having a good time
She’s a shooting star leaping through the skies
Like a tiger defying the laws of gravity
She’s a racing car passing by like Lady Godiva
She’s gonna go go go
There’s no stopping she
She’s burning through the skies Yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That’s why they call her Mrs. Fahrenheit
She’s trav’ling at the speed of light
She wants to make a supersonic land of you
Don’t stop her now
She’s having such a good time
She’s having a ball
Don’t stop her now
If you wanna have a good time just give her a call
Don’t stop her now (’Cause she’s having a good time)
Don’t stop her now (Yes she’s having a good time)
She doesn’t want to stop at all
She’s a rocket ship on my way to Mars
On a collision course
She’s a satellite She’s out of control
She’s an election machine ready to reload
Like an atom bomb about to
Oh oh oh oh oh explode
She’s burning through the skies Yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That’s why they call her Mrs. Fahrenheit
She’s trav’ling at the speed of light
She wants make a supersonic woman out of you
Don’t stop her don’t stop her don’t stop her
Hey hey hey!
Don’t stop her don’t stop her
Ooh ooh ooh (I like it)
Don’t stop her have a good time good time
Don’t stop her don’t stop her
Ooh ooh Alright
She’s burning through the skies Yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That’s why they call her Mrs. Fahrenheit
She’s trav’ling at the speed of light
She wants to make a supersonic woman of you
Don’t stop her now
She’s having such a good time
She’s having a ball don’t stop her now
If you wanna have a good time
Just give her a call
Don’t stop her now (’Cause she’s having a good time)
Don’t stop her now (Yes she’s having a good time)
She doesn’t wanna stop at all
La la la la laaaa
La la la la
La la laa laa laa laaa
La la laa la la la la la laaa hey!!….
Congratulations to Hillary and all of you who worked so hard here!!! I think it is time that the DNC wake up and realize BO is simply to weak with white, middle class voters to be elected.
It was good to see Wolfson and McAuliffe fight back against BO’s agents at CNN and MSNBC…God bless the Clintons..fighters and defenders of white we true democrats believe in.
How many SDs is Hillary meeting with today? How can you say that Hillary isn’t the will of the voters when she got over twice as many votes in a hardworking state of true Americans? How?!
I meant defenders of “what” not “white”..lol
So the reason I was doing so awful last night was that I was talking to my little sister, who went to a Hillary rally in February but then decided last week to drink Obama’s stale, warm kool aid. She said something like, “West Virginia only voted for Hillary because those people are racists!”
I started yelling at her:
1. No, they aren’t racists. Voting against BO does not make someone a racist…that’s just what THEY want you to think. So don’t fall for it.
2. Even if some of them were racists, well, racists are Americans too, and they have just as much a right to vote as you or me. They will still be racists by the time of the GE, too. Those are people who will never vote for BO. You can’t ignore them, even if you don’t agree with them.
And then she started yelling at me, and I hung up on her. I wish I hadn’t drunk so much after that though. Yesterday was a really happy day, and then I totally blew it. Anybody have a good remedy for hangovers?
Actually, I’m sorry, this isn’t about me. Back to the Hillfront.
You know what, people slag off ARG but they again had it practically smack bang dead on.
They said 66 to 23 and it ended up 67 to 26.
I bet Obama’s camp was getting a kick out of inventing racist incidents there. What would you bet some of the stories were staged by bots, or didn’t even happen at all? It’s all they can do now to make the HUGE LOSS not pathetic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/opinion/14dowd-1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Raspberry for Barry
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: May 14, 2008
In grim times, a bitter Hillary clings to “bitter voters who in grim times supposedly cling to guns, religion and antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”
Mining that antipathy, the New York senator has been working hard to get the hard-working white voters of hardscrabble Appalachia so she can show that a black man can’t yet be elected president.
Obama breezed through West Virginia, the state he couldn’t charm even wearing a flag pin and promising to invest in “clean coal.” Fast Barry shot some pool Monday afternoon at Schultzie’s Billiards in South Charleston, including prophetically sinking an eight-ball in the pocket, and then fled from Hillary territory to pursue white, blue-collar workers in battleground states and convince them not to vote for John McBush.
Obama is acting the diffident debutante, pretending not to care that he was given a raspberry by a state he will need in the fall. He was dismissed not only by the voters Hillary usually gets, but was also edged out in blocs that usually prefer him — the under-30 set, college graduates and affluent voters.
Interviews with West Virginians leaving the polls showed some profound weaknesses that could haunt the Illinois senator in the fall. More than half said they would be dissatisfied if Obama was the nominee. Half believe he shares the views of the Rev. Wright, and more than half said he does not share their values. More than half also said that he is not honest and trustworthy. Just under half of the Clinton voters said they would not support Obama in the fall.
Obama may have started the primary season with an inspiring win in 94-percent-white Iowa, but he is winding it up with a resounding loss in 94-percent-white West Virginia.
“As the song says, ‘Almost heaven,’ ” Hillary said at her Charleston victory party, hailing herself as “the strongest candidate,” the one who can win swing states, and urging again that Michigan and Florida votes be counted.
“You know I never give up,” she said, with a W.-strength denial of reality.
Two in 10 white voters said race was important in how they voted, and more than 8 of 10 of these went for Hillary. This echoes an article in The Washington Post on Tuesday that chronicled the racism that some Obama volunteers found in Indiana and Pennsylvania.
The story quoted Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, who could take only one night on an Obama phone bank in the nearly all-white Susquehanna County, Pa.: “One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn’t possibly vote for Obama and concluded: ‘Hang that darky from a tree!’ ”
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote about complaints of racism after a bar in Marietta, Ga., began selling an Obama 2008 T-shirt with a picture of Curious George peeling a banana.
Charlie Peters, the legendary former editor of the liberal Washington Monthly who ran Jack Kennedy’s campaign in Kanawha County, W. Va., said Obama should study how J.F.K. managed to win there despite raging anti-Catholicism.
(My father, in West Virginia once on business, found his car had been flipped over by some locals furious about a sign on it supporting the first Catholic Democratic nominee, Al Smith.)
“The point of West Virginia in 1960 is that you can change attitudes,” Peters, an Obama supporter, said on Tuesday evening. “But if you don’t act to change them, he could lose West Virginia and I think he could lose the country.
“He has to change those perceptions of the people who think he could actually agree with the Rev. Wright.”
J.F.K. bought affection in West Virginia. “The boss of Logan County said 35,” Peters recalled. “He meant $3,500, but Kennedy thought it was $35,000, so he gave him $35,000. They put out all this money and they carried the precincts.” (Hillary has been using street money more than Obama, though it is unclear how much it has helped.)
West Virginia loved F.D.R. “because the Depression had been very tough for them and F.D.R. was kind to them,” Peters said. (On my father’s trip, he was threatened by a man who asked him about “rumors” that President Roosevelt was in a wheelchair and threatened to thrash any man who said so. My dad, a detective who served on protective details for F.D.R., assured the ruffian that Roosevelt was “a fine, athletic man.”)
So the campaign brought down F.D.R. Jr., Peters recounted, to “say it’s O.K. to vote for this Catholic.” Because West Virginia had a lot of veterans, they distributed a little tabloid emphasizing J.F.K.’s war record, including a Reader’s Digest piece about his heroism in the Pacific.
And finally, there was the beguiling Kennedy wit and smile. “Kennedy turned out to be this engaging person,” Peters said, “especially with young people, and children talked to their parents.”
Peters says Obama needs imagination and a “tremendous effort” to dispel bias in West Virginia, and quickly, “because once it’s set in concrete, you’ll have a hell of a time.”
I don’t think we should set up Oregon like NC..it is a very tough won for Hillary and we should focus on narrowing the gap to 10 or less %…
jbstonesfan – I thought they were essentially tied there? Plus, it’s mail-in ballots…this WV win will do a lot of help today and tomorrow if we can call them and tell them to mail in the ballot TODAY, NOW.
JBStonesfan: You mentioned Randi Rhodes yesterday and I wanted chime in. Living in West Palm Beach I’ve listened to her for many years, at first she was just plain funny, then after the OJ trial she changed and got more and more into politics, showing that she was downright smart as well as hilarious.
I remember when she first met Bill and then Hillary, she loved them both, and no one could have been a more passionate supporter during the impeachment. Now for the life of me I don’t know what turned her into such a hatred filled virago. I can only assume this is what brain washing looks like and it’s ugly and frightening.
Probably the only people left calling in to her show are the bots, Hill’s supporters have long gone. I used to listen to progressive radio from 8 in the morning to 6 in the evening, now it’s never on. Can’t tell you how much I miss it.
Take my advice, save your sanity and don’t tune in any more. I’d rather stick a screwdriver in my ear than suffer a second of Randi’s voice ever again.
good morning hillfans
i had a better night with no horrible dreams where i could be yelling at donna brazile
anyway –need a laugh
here u go – i got this from noquarterusa ,,i am pasting it here
IS IT ANY WONDER THAT an overwhelming number of flag officers want Hillary as their commander in chief?
YES, there are more embarrassing gaffes — BUT THIS TIME, they have to do with national security, our two wars, and — ahem — the prime subjects of the Senate Foreign Relations committee on which he supposedly sits. Via Halperin and ABC News:
(1) The Illinois Senator incorrectly says Arabic translators deployed in Iraq are needed in Afghanistan (but Afghans don’t speak Arabic). Later corrected mistake.
(2) Obama also stressed need for agricultural specialists in Afghanistan to help develop other crops than heroin poppies (but oil fields not poppy fields are a major source of U.S. technical assistance).
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/14/obamas-embarrassing-gaffes-continue/
Hi LesleyESF…I live in Boca and have been in S. Fla over 30 yrs. Randi was very funny at one time (she use to follow the legenday Neil Rogers down here on WIOD). I loved her as she was a huge Clinton fan. I was listening to Air America only b/c of her as Ed Schultz quickly showed his Obama bias. Randi was positive at first on both “great” candidates, although I sensed her leaning to BO, she went bonkers on Clinton after the Ferreo incident. I believe it was just the excuse she needed. She is back down here again on 940 and I turned it on and it was the same hateful Clinton stuff so I switched back to a local conservative (Schnitt) who has really exposed Obama.
You know what I heard about yesterday and I forgot to tell this board about? The Obama cultists are still spreading the rumor that the KKK and David Duke WANT Obama to win because they think that a black presidency will mess this country up so much and cause rioting…and then there will be a backlash against AAs and the KKK can head it.
Except that,
1. Snopes, the urban legend debunker, says that this is NOT true.
2. There is no mention on Stormfront and the Aryan Power websites, or so I’ve heard.
What trash they spread to try to convince people that they are RACISTS if they don’t vote for Obama. Hillary has never, ever played up her gender in this way…getting her voters to spread rumors that you are a bad feminist/female if you do not vote for her. She wants you to vote for her on merit alone, and, if you do look at her merits, she makes a GREAT CASE. And that is why so many feminists, White and AA and Asian and Latina, support her (it is not because they are “racist”).
i got this link through taylormarsh hotdiaries ,,,most of it is very positive on hillary
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20080514_HILLARY_SITUATION_REMINDS_ME_OF_1980.html
HILLARY SITUATION REMINDS ME OF 1980
By DANIEL A. CIRUCCI
INEVER THOUGHT I’d say this – but I’ve come to admire Hillary Rodham Clinton.
JB:I switched back to a local conservative (Schnitt) who has really exposed Obama.
What station is that, i’d love someone to listen to?
When this awful primary is over i will look back with regret to all the people it changed my opinion of and Randi will be chief among them.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Clinton Extends Her Lead Among Congressional Districts!
Hillary Clinton experienced a better than expected election result in West Virginia last night. Most polling sources and pundits expected a 25-30 point victory in West Virginia, along with a pickup of around 100,000 popular votes. At the end of the night, however, Clinton won in resounding fashion picking up well over 140,000 popular votes in a 41 point victory.
More importantly, however, is a number the Obama campaign and many media outlets haven’t discussed: Clinton has now won the popular vote in 195 US Congressional Districts. That number is important because of the relative equality of each congressional district. This number is important because too date Barack Obama has only won the popular vote in 187 congressional districts. If you include Florida & Michigan’s 2.3 million voters who showed up in record numbers on Election Day despite being disenfranchised, the congressional district victories look like this:
Clinton – 227 Congressional Districts
Obama – 195 Congressional Districts
http://www.politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-extends-her-lead-among.html
pls share it with everyone u know
SONIA4HILLARY – I never read articles that start out like that. You know the article is going to be a bunch of backhanded sarcastic stuff. I think this one is also supposed to use an article as a vessel for a lot of subversive anti-Hillary messages.
Schnitt is on 610 WIOD…he leans right, but not like Rush or Hannity. Says Obama states they want to make this about “me”, and Schnitt states “of course it’s about you, your running for the most important job in the world, and you have yet to be vetted out like Clinton”…..
in kentucky hillary has -28+ lead
in oregon obama has 14+lead
so our goals are
1.extend ky lead to 35+
2.close all the gap in oregon or stay within the 2%
which one hallow
i am pasting here links from TAYLORMARSH
they are always positive of hillary
on taylor marsh – if u click hotdiaries it gives you links and news from so many different places
so i always paste the good ones here and other hill places
but may be i gotta read it carefully before paste it here -hun
SONIA – The Philly News one. That one is negative, even though it outwardly is supposed to look positive. Why would a positive article publish “She even knew that he wasn’t able to control his libido.” That is a negative passage slipped in there, and I don’t like it.
Other than this site, and TaylorMarsh, what other sites are pro Hillary?
Thanks JB, will see if I can pick it up.
You are so right about Schultz, i quit on him the day he compared Bill to Rove; wrote and told him so, the disgusting rat. Never listened again.
I give up on so-called Progressive radio, they don’t speak for me.
Must get back to work, thanks again. Lesley.
SONIA4HILLARY – I thought that Obama and Hillary were very close in OR. Let me look that up. Hrm. SUSA says that race is slightly tighter. The difference is that that race is mail-in ballots. This is why we need to call OR people today to send in their ballots TODAY, while the news is all Hillary friendly!
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am
SONIA – The Philly News one. That one is negative, even though it outwardly is supposed to look positive. Why would a positive article publish “She even knew that he wasn’t able to control his libido.” That is a negative passage slipped in there, and I don’t like it.
oh i get it
what u mean . i agree ,
ADMIN – pls delete if u like to (i did not read all of it , i got it from tm so i thought wow one more person leaning to hillary)
I don’t understand how every time Hillary wins a state, she doesn’t get that many delegates, but every time Obama wins, he gets tons. I guess this is the way proportional representation works out? I read somewhere that more “loyal” democratic counties get more delegate allocation than less loyal, so since AA’s vote democratic more often than any other demographic, he’s getting “extra” delegates just because all the AA’s vote for him. This is really unfair in my view. A vote should be a vote. If they were doing this fairly, Obama would only be getting something like 50-70% of the delegates from these districts. Does anyone else think that they should only be counting these votes for about 60% of what they are doing now? I don’t want my vote to take a back seat to someone else’s just because they live in a more “loyal” county. There’s no way she can catch up with all these unfair rules working against her. I want a fair fight! ;(
jbstonesfan Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Other than this site, and TaylorMarsh, what other sites are pro Hillary?
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/
LesleyESF – Yeah! I know what you mean! Ed Shultz was 100% pro-Hillary a few months ago, and now he is extremely negative towards her. I can’t listen to him any more. Too bad, he USED to be good.
jbstonesfan Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Other than this site, and TaylorMarsh, what other sites are pro Hillary?
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/
Thanks all.
jbstonesfan Says:
http://www.talkleft.com/
this one is just pro-truth and pro-democracy , but very fair , never anything bad about hillary and obama , always most fair view and in favor of our girl hillary
# Sherm Kader Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Robert Novak still insists his big BHO rumor is true!
On Fox a couple of hours ago he said he has checked it out with the Clinton campaign, and they say they are still trying to find a good way to release the information. He says they insist this will make BHO unelectable.
He says they’ve told him this will be bigger than Rezko, Ayers, and anything else being discussed. He has volunteered to be the one to publish the story if they will simply give it to him.
**************************************************
I have heard since super Tuesday here and their (minimally) that the Clintons have been
Trying to get the MSM to cover some stories on BO but they won’t do it.
I am positive that they do have a HUGE DIRT PILE on BO
And looks like Novac is about to break it! He did say on one of the shows
YEAH!!
Last night that HRC had a huge thing on BO and needed someone to break it
And he said on MSM last night to Hillary he would do it!
I have no reason to believe Novak, but it might help to explain why Hillary is confidently charging ahead while going deeper in debt. She seems very sure of getting the nomination, and maybe there is more to that than just politics. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe a story that important has not been leaked already. Maybe this old rumor is still only a rumor. I would love to believe it though.
from HRC camp just now
Dear ,
There are some people out there who want to declare this race over now, before all the ballots have been counted or even cast. There are some who say they don’t know why I’m in this race. So let me tell you why I’m still running.
I’m in this race for everyone who needs a champion. For the hardworking families who are losing sleep over gas prices and grocery costs and mortgage payments and medical bills — but who never lose that American can-do spirit and optimism.
I’m in this race for the more than 16 million people like you who have supported me — for the people who have put their hearts into winning this race. You never gave up on me, and I’ll never give up on you.
We are in the homestretch. After sixteen months, there are only three weeks left to compete in the final contests. With your help I’m going to keep fighting until every last American has a chance to be heard, and as we learned last night in West Virginia, I know we can win.
Contribute now to keep our campaign going strong.
I’m also in this race because I have the best chance of beating John McCain in November and putting America on the right track.
We proved something in West Virginia last night — a state every Democratic president has won since 1916. And we proved something in a few other battleground states that have a history of picking presidents. Pennsylvania. Ohio. Arkansas. New Hampshire. New Jersey. New Mexico. Nevada. And, yes, Michigan and Florida.
I am in this race, and so are you, because we both know the stakes in this election are too high to stay on the sidelines.
So let’s keep going together, you and me. Let’s keep driving our campaign forward, and let’s keep winning.
Make a contribution today to help me win.
I want to thank you again for the incredible generosity of spirit you have shown over the course of this campaign. Together, you and I are going to make history.
Thank you,
Hillary Rodham Clinton
hallow
chin up…… you’re fighting the good fight!
and a little hair of the dog never hurt
djia – I hope I hope I hope I hope I hope!
What do you think it is? Another affair?
jbstonesfan Says:
this one is mixed . basically freedom of speech within limits . hillary supporters , obama supporters and neutrals write disries about thier thoughts ,
http://www.mydd.com/
Quote:
WASHINGTON – Barack Obama is in hot pursuit of general election voters, hoping America won’t notice he got his head handed to him in West Virginia.
:evile: on cnn giving speech in MI to a small crowd……reading cue cards…..and stumbling as he reads LOL!!
every one looks rather bored IMHO
Hallow
I don’t know, she said to novak it wasn’t rezko,ayers and it was bigger than those
odinga? sinclair? employed by ayers for 8 years?
D. all of the above???
perhaps she has proof he had that choir director murdered????
Was it ever confirmed by an unbiased news source that Clinton’s campaign did not pick up the phone when Obama was calling him? Obama snubs hard-working Americans, Clinton snubs him. Tit for tat. I have zero problem with this.
what an ass, he just gave hillary’s green jobs that cant be outsourced speech….verbatim i might add!
Personally I wouldn’t want to ruin such a great day by talking to Obama either. Barf!
djia – Any story that would put Obama in PMITA prison on November 4th is fine by me!
does anyone know when and where he will be in SD??
I really want to go and ask him a question
tabbylady – You got it.
djia – Oh, wow, I just realized how difficult it is going to tell when SD = Superdelegate vs. SD = South Dakota.
I figured out eventually that you didn’t mean Obama was going to be in a superdelegate. That didn’t make sense. Duh.
djia – What would you ask him?
djia Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
does anyone know when and where he will be in SD??
I really want to go and ask him a question
ACTUALLY
first ask him 1 from u
and then keep asking 1 from each of us
from me ask
1. mr obama , pls name 57 states of usa
2,mr obama, why r u offended by ur middle name HUSSIEN
3.mr obama ,when can we come to see ur house to determine if michelle is running her house good or not since its according to her thats the main qualification of a president to be
4, mr obama ,so when did the black america woke up as mrs obama had predicted
5,mr obama , did u finish ur waffles???
not sure but i did ask here the other day for suggestions
i certainly want it to be a “gotchya” question , one that would make the news like
those bots that kept asking chelsea about monica
Novak bullshit! It boils down to him saying something nasty about Hillary — blaming her in advance for anything that comes out soon about BO.
IF the Clinton campaign were pushing some story, it would be showing up other places already. They wouldn’t give it to Novak, they’d give it to Fox.
If Novak really had anything, he’d reveal it already.
Maybe he’s been reading rezkowatch.
i was thinking of something like
I have followed the story of rev wright, and I noticed no one has asked and you have not answered YET
as to how you could of sat in that church for 20 years and not know what the church and the rev were
about……
what can you say to me now to answer that queation…that will convince me that you did not know? and that you do not share
those values ?
Had Obama been properly vetted in the first place we would not be in this mess. Also, I truly believe that originally, we (Hillary) had the majority support of the DNC. Sadly, when Fl and Mich were penalized, and OB started racking up the #’s and money, their was a slow but significant shift lead by Dean, Kennedy, Pelosi, Brazile and other powerful dems. They probably didi not like Clinton from the start, but like all of us, though it would be a easy win for her…When BO showed the $$$$ and AA vote he could bring in, they turned on Clinton, and mainstream dems,
for what they believe will be long term gains for the party-even if BO loses.
What is very disconcerting to me is why, after finally being somewhat exposed for the hypocrite he is, haveno SD’s switched back to Clinton. I guess their minds are made up to go with the percieved no face of the party versus a proven leader like Hillary. Truly unsettling.
I like SONIA’s questions, #1, #2, #4. Those are GREAT!
I’ll see if I can think of any more.
Maybe, “Why do you think the hard-working Americans in WV overwhelmingly rejected you? Is it because they were clinging to their guns and religion too much to go out and vote for you?”
then i would ask him
about being a paid william ayers board member for 8 years
1950 dem
novak doesn’t know, he never said he did……he’s waiting for hillary to tell him
Novak helped expose a CIA agent and should be in jail!!!
I don’t care what novak did or didn’t do………so long as he can bring BO down with Hillary’s info on BO
oh yeah
so mr obama since small town people are bitter
what about ur wife ,why she is always bitter???
hi 1950
how r u
I keep going over these delegate numbers and it’s just awful. MI and FL get no votes, but high AA counties get a vote and a half based on “loyalty.” We don’t even win these states in the general! And MI and FL are swing states! It’s really frustrating.
Is there any way Hillary can change these rules too at the end of May when we let MI and FL in so everyone gets one vote instead of a vote and a half. The sad thing is that she would have won a long time ago if there was a level playing field. She’s caught up in the popular vote, but Obama’s delegate count is disproportionately high due to welfare delegates. I say fix all the rules at once and end this nonsense. Let MI and FL count, and only count 60% of these delegates instead of giving him extra delegates for no reason at all. ONE MAN, ONE VOTE. I am tired of this.
1950
if u don,t mind
can i ask u
if u r a guy or girl
“Novak bullshit! It boils down to him saying something nasty about Hillary — blaming her in advance for anything that comes out soon about BO.”
I absolutely agree with this. Novak is a Republican tool — and this story is just meant to reinforce the accusation that Hillary will do anything to win.
“Senator Obama, can you SWEAR you were not in any way tied to the black power movement during your lifetime?”
If he does swear, I bet there are ways that we could knock that down as completely false.
“Senator Obama, how many times have you snorted cocaine, as you mentioned in your book ‘Dreams From My Father’?”
Sorry, make that ONE WOMAN, ONE VOTE
EVERYONE
i think , we should all start registering INDEPENDENT
we should talk to our neighbors,relatives,family,and each other on blog site and within a week of time
if we can do 2 or 5 million dems shifting to independent ,,,,that will give a message to DNC.
what do u think??
how do we do that ?
Plural
I hadn’t thought of that angle…..getting caught up in the excitement that finally someone might break
the big blow on bo
what about ur wife ,why she is always bitter???
is that why she and you clinged to PASTOR WRIGHT???
djia, Ask Bambi how well he knew the murdered choir director, and if Michelle knew him also.
sonia , without big money to get the word out……it would have to happen at a grassroots level
once it begins, word will get around and then possibly the MSM will pick up the story about how
dems are starting to switch to independant……then…..more will follow
that is how the I won’t vote for BO , I will vote for McCain got started and has been growing in numbers
ever since
The crap about the Clintons destroying their opponents makes me angry. What about Bush Sr, and Dole, and Perot. Did anybody see them destroyed? No, of course not. Bill won in fair campaigns without throwing dirt, but the Republicans and the Clinton-hating Dems don’t want people to remember that.
Hillary has been winning with a positive message and by people finally seeing past the media’s lies to the person she really is.
tabbylady – Careful, there are a lot of males on this board too. And transgendered people, maybe even. I know Hillary gets an overwhelming percent of the gay and trans vote.
good question confloyd……i might at larry sinclair as well
djia, you could also ask him if he knew Odingo’s supporters killed all those people after the election, and if his supporters are going to riot in Denver?
You get a sense watching Brazile that she has a lot of control of the rules committee or she woudln’t have that fat, pompous look on her face….she sickens me as she cost us the election in 04 running a horrible campaign for Gore…she is a proven loser..
“Senator Obama, why did you throw your grandmother under the bus during your speech on race? Why was she just a ‘typical white American’ to you?”
jbstonesfan – You mean 2000, not 2004, right?
does anyone know that DNC number off hand? I want to call them today and complain about their rules committee being rigged!
confloyd – 202-863-8000
Plural,
The message needs to get out far and wide that it is Obama and his band of hateful men/women, i.e. Kennedy, Kerry, McGovern, McCaskill, Brazille, Michelle…et al… who are intent on destroying the party beyond recognition.
Thank God Hillary is strong!!!
Or you can send the DNC a message through their website:
http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contact
jbstonesfan Says:
Proven loser
You got that right. Let her stay on O’s side
I have a theory as to why Hillary’s campaign would not want to leak a damaging story on waffles just yet (assuming they have one). I think she wants to wait until all of the primary voting has completed. Why would she want to do that, you ask?
Its because MSM would have a field day beating her up if they found out her campaign had leaked damaging info about waffles, and she doesn’t want to risk the potential fallout that might have in the remaining primaries. That’s particularly true now because the upcoming primaries, taken as a whole, look very good in terms of adding to her popular vote totals.
Why not wait until afterwards, when she’s collected all of her votes. Her campaign could then drop the waffles bomb, and MSM could scream all they want… there would be no more primaries to affect.
And once it’s out there, the SD’s would have all summer to mull over whatever damaging info she has on him. Deeeelicious!!!
Hey, has anyone here donated their stimulus check to Hillary? Those people are true Americans. If I wasn’t suffering so much from the recession (do you know what food costs now! GEEZ!), I’d do it too.
Yes..2000..sorry as my 2 yr old kept me up all night. Also, is there a spell check here and why when I type a certain # of letters, does the screen no longer appear???
Did anyone find the article where Michelle said she would like to scratch Bills eyes out?
jbstonesfan – That only happens on Firefox, not IE.
neetabug – Would that be considered a threat?
i found it!
The AP is reporting that Barack Obama will be in South Dakota on Friday May 16th!. More details as they come available…
MO . truthfully, is the power behind that man…it is “there” time….she scares me much more than him….I actually believe he is probably an OK guy, but she has full control and has played the race guilt to it’s fullest..she should be thanking woman like Hillary whom made it possible for her to go to Princeton and become a big shot atty….Hillary was defending children’s rights when MO was getting ahead through affirmative action programs the Clintons helped support…
Remind me to NEVER follow a link to the Huffington Post ever again! There’s an article on there now called “Hillary’s Gift to Women” that my sister sent me (I am NOT going to link to it) and wowies, that is a load of cow dung right there. I think I might be banned from commenting there, but if I can find that author’s address, I will send her a letter personally, snail-mail.
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
neetabug – Would that be considered a threat?
Maybe, not sure if she really said this. Someone mentioned on this board this was said, not sure if it is true
Has anyone figured out yet how many delegates she nets from WV? I’m trying but it’s complicated. Maybe Universal should do it. He seems pretty smart.
I started off liking that site as well…then Arianna made it a pro Obama site and the hateful posts I would have with the Obamots were truly disturbing….I came here and initially was called a troll, but thankfully, I stuck it out.
anyone who has ever gone to huffington post knows its a complete shill for
so i am pretty sure the only ones reading that site are the Daily Kooks LOL
Very good point about Donna, and should be apply to Dean. So why do we have expert media (Donna), and leaders in the DNC that really have not performed that well.
At least when Rove comes on, you know he has run two successful campaigns, regardless of what you think abou 2000, Bush was placed in the WH, and Rove put him there.
So the only ones that have run Successful Democratic campagins in recent memory are the Clintons, and we are not listening to them. We are listening to Donna (who although she won the election lost to Rove), and Dean who could not make it close to any nomination.
The Democrats are in trouble.
Something is wrong here.
When Hillary says she gets the white vote is is racist per MSM, but “typical white person” ignored. Also, why his anti-Israel stance has not been fully exposed is troubling. As a Jew, I ashamed of some of my fellow Jews supporting Bambi, including my loser Congressman Robert Wexler.
OBAMA. IS. A. SEXIST.
http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/videoplayer/dayportPlayer.aspx?articleIds=11775@wxyz.dayport.com,11774@wxyz.dayport.com,11773@wxyz.dayport.com,11771@wxyz.dayport.com,11769@wxyz.dayport.com,11768@wxyz.dayport.com,11767@wxyz.dayport.com,11762@wxyz.dayport.com,11761@wxyz.dayport.com,11760@wxyz.dayport.com,11759@wxyz.dayport.com,11758@wxyz.dayport.com,11757@wxyz.dayport.com,11756@wxyz.dayport.com,11754@wxyz.dayport.com,11753@wxyz.dayport.com,11751@wxyz.dayport.com,11750@wxyz.dayport.com,11749@wxyz.dayport.com,11748@wxyz.dayport.com,11747@wxyz.dayport.com,11746@wxyz.dayport.com,11745@wxyz.dayport.com,11743@wxyz.dayport.com,11741@wxyz.dayport.com,11740@wxyz.dayport.com,11736@wxyz.dayport.com,11735@wxyz.dayport.com,11734@wxyz.dayport.com,11776@wxyz.dayport.com&categoryId=16&loadPlaylist=true&contractId=5
I hope that URL works. If not, go here:
http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/local.aspx and click “Obama at Chrysler Plant in Sterling Heights”
At the end, a woman asks a question of Obama, and Obama calls her Sweety and then doesn’t answer the question.
Not cool! If you treated me like that…well…I don’t know what I’d do, but it wouldn’t be pleasant.
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
“Senator Obama, why did you throw your grandmother under the bus during your speech on race? Why was she just a ‘typical white American’ to you?”
lol
can i use that on noquarterusa ?
Agreed, NewMexicoFan. Donna Brazile ran a HORRIBLE campaign for Al Gore, which he should have won by a LARGE margin. Here she is again, trying to resurrect her career by riding Obama’s coattails, and once again, she’s driving the party into the gutter. She’s an arrogant loudmouth who can’t hide her own biases to save her life.
jbstonesfan,
As a fellow Jew, I am right there with you and shaking my head at Wexler and others.
here’s the story of MO saying she wants to scratch out bill Clinton’s eyes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/04/barackobama
Bloody Marys, Hallow.
tabbylady – Yeah. Paul F. Villarreal is a smart cookie. But, I think it was 19 to 7, with probably some add-ons.
HillBillyLover – More like screwdrivers…without the orange juice.
# jbstonesfan Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am
It was good to see Wolfson and McAuliffe fight back against BO’s agents at CNN and MSNBC…
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It has been nice to see Wolfson, McAuliffe et al sticking up for HRC. But I gotta ask about a couple of things Hillary’s surrogates regularly fail to mention:
FL/MI got punished, but it is seldom pointed out that NH and SC moved up their dates too, with 0% punishment. That’s an incredibly potent talking point.
Also, if “the rules are the rules”, it is seldom pointed out that DNC rules 1) proscribe 50% punishment, not 100%, and 2) that SDs are NOT AFFECTED (if someone knows to the contrary to point number two, please correct me). However, Terry M. brought that out in Russert’s face this past Sunday, to my relief. I remember, Russert though he had a “gotcha” moment reading from Terry’s own book, but TM set him straight about what is written in the DNC rules.
I’m sure there are a few other things that get regularly overlooked when debunking “fairy tales”, where you want to throw stuff at the TV and say, “Why don’t you bring up ____ and shove it in so-and-so’s face”. Please feel free to add to this, so we can have a talking points list (or let us know where there are existing talking points list for us to look at and add to).
rgb44hrc,
Excellent points!
Well, I just spoke with Ryan at the DNC, couldn’t say much about Brazile, but did say that they are trying to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida at the convention before the nominee is chosen. I told him that Howie was on National TV and said different, he said people are wrong, the Michigan and FLorida delegates will help decide the nominee. Apparently, they are recieving many calls today because he had to cut me off. He said lots of calls today. Just as many Bambi supporters call and say they are moving to the republican party as Hillary supporters!
Is Obama in MI today because he’s pissed them off by not counting their votes, and because he knows he is going to lose so bad in KY that he doesn’t want to campaign there. Think about it, if Obama campaigns in KY, and he still loses by 30 points, it will look much worse than if he didn’t campaign there and lost by 35 points…as far as the MSM is concerned. Still, you can’t ignore states, not when the GE is ahead. I love Hillary because she does not ignore states.
rgb44hrc wrote:
FL/MI got punished, but it is seldom pointed out that NH and SC moved up their dates too, with 0% punishment. That’s an incredibly potent talking point.
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Yes, yes, YES. We need to hammer home this point in the blogosphere.
Just as many Bambi supporters call and say they are moving to the republican party as Hillary supporters!
LOL! Let them. Hillary has a broader coalition, and Republicans will make mincemeat of the obambots.
All votes count in the GE, and so all votes should count in the primary. None of this “breaking the rules” crap. Hillary stood firm on this from the beginning.
rgb44hrc wrote:
FL/MI got punished, but it is seldom pointed out that NH and SC moved up their dates too, with 0% punishment. That’s an incredibly potent talking point.
Yes, and the “RULES” allow for 50% stripping of the delegates, not 100 %, so they broke their own rules. What a bunch of idiots.
birdgal – The AA vote will go back to Hillary, just like they voted for her by like 90% before BHO came into the picture. They won’t be voting Republican. And she has the Latinos too, who BHO doesn’t.
So, what the DNC has created, is a victory for the GOP. If obamabots or Hillary supporters defect to the GOP, they’ll win. The GOP must be licking their chops. Sorry for the crassness this a.m., but this situation is horrible and disgusting.
birdgal – So you think we should have a “unity ticket” now? No thanks. Hillary isn’t #2 to anybody, and I’m not voting for a man who will make America smell like B.O.
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
birdgal – The AA vote will go back to Hillary, just like they voted for her by like 90% before BHO came into the picture. They won’t be voting Republican. And she has the Latinos too, who BHO doesn’t.
I know, but the Republicans do make mincemeat of the obamabots that post on the McCain site. Some of the responses are pretty funny.
birdgal, I asked him why the other 4 states got permission to move and they would not give permission to Michigan and Florida? Ryan could not answer that! I also which democratic heads in Florida did not fight the moving up of the date. He said he did not know, but they were REpublicans and Democrats. I think Dean needs to come on Larry King so we can call in and ask these questions!
HILLARY on Situation Room, CNN – 1 p.m. EST »
I don’t like the idea of an unity ticket, because waffles and his angry, bitter wife are dangerous for this country.
birdgal – Really? Which site? I’d love to make a fake account there as a McCain supporter to blast those stupid ‘bots directly on that site. They can’t post here, so I can’t argue with them directly (although I am glad this is a safe space). If they’re reading now though, let me tell them that YOU ARE CHOADS, OBAMBI IS GOING TO LOSE, AND YOU’RE ALL CRYBABIES BECAUSE HILLARY IS KICKING YOUR SORRY ASSES.
SONIA4HILLARY – Crap! I’m at work! I hope they replay it later.
confloyd: good questions. the answer is: gaming of the primary, and allowing the states that favored waffles to hold their primaries sooner. MI and FL were heavily favored for Hillary, so the DNC did not want her to have any early momentum, which would have given an advantage in the future primaries. It was set for waffles advantage. The entire fiasco has been a fix, which may have not been revealed, if Clinton had dropped out. As Bill says, “When they are asking you to drop out, it is because they are afraid that you will win.”
The phrase of the day from the Media Whores is “symbolic victory“.
They remind me of children that close their eyes and count to ten, hoping that something will just go away before they open their eyes again.
now this guy knows what he’s talking about!!
not that i like some of the things he writes….but its really right on the mark for the most part.
http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=572
Hallow, the McCain people are doing a good job of it. They quite clever at times.
I’m pissing myself laughing at some of the results last night
They really didnt like Obama in Mingo county.
Clinton 7,813
Obama 712
Thats 88% to 8%
the whole county went Clinton Blue.
To Do List:
1) Make calls for Hillary, to Oregon and Kentucky voters: http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/
2) Donate! If you’re maxed out or strapped for cash, ask 5 of your friends and family to donate to Hillary
3) Blog! Get the word out, here, on other sites, and in letters to the editor to big Oregon and Kentucky newspapers. Talk about the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, and the unfair treatment of those states’ voters by Dean and the DNC. New Hampshire and South Carolina moved their primaries, but received preferential treatment and weren’t punished at all.
i am sorry guys
i heard wrong
its 1pm pst
so 4 pm est
i am so sorry for wrong info
so we have 3 more hrs
get the word out —when calling the voters in ky and oregon,,we can tell them to listen to her themselves at 4 pm est
new KY polls out
http://www.topnews.in/usa/new-kentucky-polls-kentucky-clinton-2362
Sen. Hillary Clinton appears to be eying on another victory in row in the Bluegrass State – Kentucky, after defeating Sen. Barack Obama in West Virginia; that’s what the new Kentucky polls signal.
Mason Dixon/Lexington Herald-Leader/WKYT Kentucky Poll conducted on 7 May – 9 May showed Clinton leading Obama by 27 % points – 58 % to 31 % among Kentucky Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 500, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 4.5 %, indicated a huge win for Clinton.
Survey USA Kentucky Poll conducted on 9 May – 11 May showed Clinton leading Obama by 32 % points – 62 % to 30 % among Kentucky Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 641, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 3.8 %, indicated a massive victory for Clinton.
With 51 delegates at stake, Kentucky is going for democratic primary polls on 20 May.
If she does what she did in WV in KY, she will rack up delegates big in KY.
rgb44hrc,
“FL/MI got punished, but it is seldom pointed out that NH and SC moved up their dates too”
As did Iowa.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
The popular vote totals have been updated on RCP.
Check out the “Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)” Hillary is ahead of BO again.
Even if you count the estimated numbers from the caucuses too, Hillary is only behind by 0.22%, which she will easily make up in a blowout in Kentucky.
There are 3,700,000 people in Oregon (according to the census) and 4,200,000 people in Kentucky. The blowout in Kentucky will SEVERELY overcome a small loss in OR. Hillary will, by May 20, have a popular vote lead by most measures!!
****UPDATE******
Clinton, Obama S.D. locations
We now know the locations, but not yet times for the South Dakota campaign appearances over the next two days by Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. After her primary win in West Virginia last night, Clinton will be in Aberdeen, S.D. tomorrow at a time TBD. So much for my Rapid City guess.
Obama will make two stops on Friday, in Sioux Falls and Watertown. Give both credit for stopping in the hinterlands of flyover territory. And give Hillary credit for the West Virginia primary win, but she still likely can’t win the nomination. She got 20 delegates from WV victory, Obama took eight, leaving him with 1,885 and her 1,717. Obama is already campaigning in battleground states like Missouri and Michigan.
There are now only five remaining primaries — May 20 in Kentucky and Oregon, June 1 in Puerto Rico and June 3 in South Dakota and Montana. There’s your morning horserace recap.
Someone mention above Obama’s typical white grandmother. If I were her I would not only been insulted, but deeply hurt by his comments.
Many from her generation would have not only disowned their daughter for marrying an AA, but would never have taken in a mixed race grandchild to raise. She was far from a typical white anything back then.
greetings Hill-gang!
Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President
so lets get out the vote, hit the phones, email everyone and make it happen.
Did everyone hear Hillary’s victory speech last night? She said a lot but the lady in the pants-suit wasn’t singing. We got a mountain to move! Lets do it.
I’ve heard that Mike Drudge of drudgereport.com is gay. Do you think that he has a gay mancrush on Obama? For a Republican, he sure does have a lot of pro-BO articles on his site.
Oops, I meant Matt Drudge.
dija and Sonia-
Great questions. A more revealing question which might get picked up the media:
“Senator Obama, would you like a cigarette? Do you prefer menthols? If you are running as such an honest candidate, why do you hide your smoking habit, to the point of banning all pictures of you smoking?”
got a light?
What about Sen Byrd, did he endorse today? How about Pringle, has part3 come out?
McAuliffe: Clinton has resources to last through Montana primary
http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=8322961
Despite being $20 million dollars in debt, the Chairman for Senator Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign says they have the resources to take their fight all the way through Montana’s last in the nation June 3rd primary.
Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Campaign Chairman, spoke via conference call with Yellowstone County Democrats in Billings during their weekly breakfast today. McAuliffe touted Hillary Clinton’s win in West Virginia as evidence of the fact that the race is not over, citing the historic voter turnout in the Mountain State. “It’s over when someone reaches the magic number,” said McAuliffe, “She is winning elections; there is no reason to get out of this race.”
Addressing concerns from the audience, McAuliffe reassured Democrats that the campaign has the resources to take its fight all the way through Montana’s June 3rd Primary.
“We’ve been in the race now for 17 months. We have 3 weeks to go. Let’s let everybody vote.” McAuliffe added, “The end is gonna be big- its gonna be Montana that decides the next President of the United States.”
Only five primaries remain. Democrats in Kentucky and Oregon vote next week, followed by Puerto Rico on June 1st, and Montana and South Dakota on June 3rd.
According to the Associated Press, Obama is favored in Oregon and South Dakota, with Montana apparently more competitive and the others looking solid for Clinton.
hallow
Maybe he likes those handle ears of obama’s.
OMG.
This is what the Herald Tribute reported. It can’t be true.
“I think it’s likely Obama is the nominee, but not certain,” said Carville, the Democratic strategist who worked for Clinton in the 1992 campaign and is close to the couple. “I would have preferred another result, but I’m going to be for him.”
“Everybody is going to be with Obama,” he added, referring to Clinton staff and supporters. “I have an undated check written out for Obama. I’ll send it when this is over.”
Who is the Judas now, Carville? WHO?
Poll: Nearly one-third of Dems would back Clinton indy bid
h t t p : / / video1.washingtontimes.com/bellantoni/2008/05/poll_nearly_onethird_of_dems_w.html
Let the rumors begin.
A new Rasmussen Reports poll shows that 29 percent of Democrats would support Sen. Hillary Clinton running as an independent in the fall:
Thirty-eight percent (38%) of Democratic voters nationwide now believe that Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race for the White House. That’s up slightly from 34% in late April, 32% earlier in April and 22% in late March.
However, if Clinton does not win the Democratic Party nomination, 29% of Democrats say she should run an Independent campaign for the White House. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Democrats disagree. Clinton supporters are evenly divided on the question.
— Christina Bellantoni, national political reporter, The Washington Times
rjk1957 – HAHAHAHA. So you’re saying that Barack Obama is a bottom?
Hallow,
Not trying to be rude, but I’m just going to ignore comments like is Drudge gay and does he have a crush… Not sure what the point of them are or how they help Hillary.jmo
Maybe that’s how his ears got stretched to be so big.
JanH – It has been known that Drudge is gay for several years. It has been reported on several websites. As for the crush on Obama, that was just speculation.
hallow,
I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that who cares?
Okay, I’m sorry. I am very gay-friendly, and my best friend is gay. No harm meant by my comments.
Okay. Yeah, I’ll drop it.
Any other good news links today? Today is a WONDERFUL day for pro-Hillary news?
hallow,
LOL…I didn’t mean to offend, it’s just that the other side does stuff like this only worse.
This will make your day!! 2 page article!!!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/136932
Keeping Hope Alive
West Virginia pushed back against the pundits who say Clinton can’t win.
A beaming Clinton met this show of force with some forcefulness of her own in her victory speech, pledging to “carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.” There were shouts of “We love you, Hillary!” when Clinton thanked West Virginia for “this overwhelming vote of confidence” and scattered boos when she spoke of the people “who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast.” It is no coincidence that West Virginia broke turnout records yesterday even though pundits have been saying for several days now that the race is over. More than a dozen Clinton supporters interviewed by NEWSWEEK said they believe Clinton can still win, and many faulted a biased media for prematurely writing her off.
Helen Lambert, 76, said she and her husband drove to Charleston for the celebration because “it’s not over until the lady in the pantsuit says it’s over.” Lambert said she has been a resolute supporter of the Clintons for decades. But Hillary has a special place in Lambert’s heart. “She’s so brilliant and so experienced,” Lambert said. “She’s smarter than all of those men … I just don’t have any room in my brain or my heart for anybody but Hillary.” Phyllis Rutledge, 76, agreed, saying, “I know she’s gonna be president.”
Keith Gwinn, 54, said he blames “the media hype” for prematurely ending the race. “If it is over why haven’t they declared him the winner?” he said in reference to the presumptive nominee, Sen. Barack Obama. Gwinn said he is eagerly anticipating the May 31 decision of the Democratic Party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which will decide whether and how much weight to allocate to Michigan and Florida voters. (The national party stripped both states of their delegations as punishment for holding their primaries early, a decision that may be reversed by the rules committee). Barbara Yeager, 71, went even further, saying she’d like to see Clinton take her bid all the way to Denver. Yeager said a contested convention would be a way for Clinton to defy the media and win the nomination; she believes a convention floor fight would be exciting—and wouldn’t hurt the party. “The media decides [the nomination] well in advance, and that’s a shame,” Yeager said. “TV has given her opponent way too much free time in coverage that she did not have equal access to.”
Many in the crowd were hostile toward Obama. Jeanne Kendall, a 64-year-old lifelong Democrat from Eleanor, W. Va., thinks he’s arrogant and said she’ll sit out in November if he’s the nominee. “If Obama wanted to win in West Virginia he should have made more visits,” she said. “I don’t think he thinks we come up to his standards.”
There was an ugly tone to some of the crowd’s comments about Obama. Menina Parsons, a 45-year-old Democrat from Milton, said she will not vote if Obama becomes the nominee. She said she is concerned about his “black supremacist” preacher and worries that Obama has family ties to radical Muslims (which is not true). Parsons said that because of these alleged ties, “if Obama gets in I’m concerned that the terrorist is gonna have an easier way in. I don’t think he’s real. I don’t think he’s American.” Margaret Conner, who said she is “100 percent” Democrat, said she’ll vote for McCain over Obama because she is alarmed by Obama’s association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and, more generally, she is suspicious of Obama’s “background, his heritage.” Conner said most of her Democratic friends also plan to vote Republican if Obama wins the nomination.
T mac on mnbc now
Helen Lambert, 76, said she and her husband drove to Charleston for the celebration because “it’s not over until the lady in the pantsuit says it’s over.” Lambert said she has been a resolute supporter of the Clintons for decades. But Hillary has a special place in Lambert’s heart. “She’s so brilliant and so experienced,” Lambert said. “She’s smarter than all of those men … I just don’t have any room in my brain or my heart for anybody but Hillary.” Phyllis Rutledge, 76, agreed, saying, “I know she’s gonna be president.”
I love this!!
I don’t think Carville is being a Judas…even Hillary and Bill have said they will support him if he gets the nomination. They have to say those things for the party despite their real feelings. Richardson, however, is a Judas b/c he was a nothing congressman until Bill took him under his wings….he is a disloyal , disingenuous band wagon jumper…but truthfully, does anyone have a rationale explanation for the many one time Clinton loyalists turning their back on them now??? It is amazing how they jumped the ship….only one who seems loyal is madeline Albright .
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/13/23853/6792
I love gay-perspective pro-Hillary diaries. This one was really nice.
Senator Hillary Clinton returns to Southern California
Thursday, May 15, 2008
Please join us for these exciting events!
Orange County Cocktail Reception with Senator Hillary Clinton:
At 5:00 p.m. join Hillary for an afternoon reception in Newport Beach. The cost of the general reception is $250 person or $1,250 for VIP photo reception. For more information or to RSVP please go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com/oc or call (310) 785-9029.
Los Angeles Reception with Senator Hillary Clinton:
At 7:30 p.m. please join us in welcoming Hillary back to Los Angeles for a cocktail reception at the Century Plaza Hotel. The cost of the event is $150 per person for cocktail reception and $1,250 for VIP photo reception. For more information or to RSVP, please go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com/losangeles or call (310) 785-9029
Space is limited, please respond today. We look forward to seeing you on the 15th!
I RCV,D THIS E-MAIL
if i want to go ,,how i do it , i am already maxed out myself ,
so i guess just have hubby or brother in law pick up the tab ,,hah
Tmac……women are the largest voting block
Obama also was associated with some entertainer who was gaybashing but got a pass on that too….
sonia: it is the price of admission. you can contribute in this way.
SONIA4HILLARY – I know it has been said multiple times that giving money to the campaign, even through your husband or brother, is against the law, but if you maxed out and the campaign is still sending you e-mails like this…it seems to me that they’re certainly not going to turn you in.
so
the admission fee is not part of donation ,,right
Hallow, Carville has always said that. He’s just being diplomatic towards Obama, and helping Hillary by not appearing shrill. He is behind Hillary 100%, let there be no doubt!
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
oh
i see
ok
thx
It seems like on some other sites they are trying to get us(hill supporters) to unite once this is all over….this is like no other primary in my lifetime and I could never in good conscience vote for BO.
dbstonesfan – You don’t have to answer this, but how old are you? Were you around for the 1980 election?
i just heard
andrea at msnbc shun obama staffers very good
she grilled them
she said ..if obama can not win swing states now how will he win them in general election????
i hopw she stays like this
jbstonesfan, I meant.
# Joe Friday Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
rgb44hrc,
“FL/MI got punished, but it is seldom pointed out that NH and SC moved up their dates too”
&&&&
As did Iowa.
###
Joe Friday, Confloyd said “four other states” in addition to FL/MI moved up.
a) when was Iowa supposed to go? did they jump forward because NH moved ahead of them?
b) what may have been the fourth “other” state?
go andrea
looks like she went to rehab for koolaid addiction and now she is sober ,,i hope she stays in her brains
EVERYONE-
THIS IS URGENT!!!
NARAL will be announcing in a few hours that they are endorsing Barack Obama.
Everyone needs to call them in protest.
Call as many of these numbers as you can-and send emails—-NOW!
Pass this along to EVERYONE that will help—-LET’S GO!!!
Just some talking points of what Clinton has done for them:
-Received several national NARAL awards…
- Raised money for them
- Spoke at their march
-Led the fight on emergency contraceptives/Plan B. (to keep it safe,legal and over the counter)
NARAL Pro-Choice America
1156 15th Street, NW Suite 700
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Main Number: 202.973.3000
Main Fax: 202.973.3096
Membership Information: membership@ProChoiceAmerica.org
Director of Affiliate Development
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NARAL Pro-Choice Arizona
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Phone: 617.556.8800
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MARAL Pro-Choice Michigan
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NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota
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Phone: 603.228.1224
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Phone: 212.343.0114
Fax: 212.343.0119
NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina
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Phone: 919.829.9779
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Fax: 216.283.2184
NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon
info@prochoiceoregon.org
http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/ http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/>
Phone: 503.223.4510
Fax: 503.223.0251
NARAL Pro-Choice Pennsylvania
info@prochoicepennsylvania.org
http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/ http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/>
Phone: 215.545.4666
NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota
info@prochoicesd.org
http://www.prochoicesd.org http://www.prochoicesd.org>
Phone: 605.334.5065
NARAL Pro-Choice Texas
info@prochoicetexas.org
http://www.prochoicetexas.org/ http://www.prochoicetexas.org/>
Phone: 512.462.1661
Fax: 512.462.2007
NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia
info@naralva.org
http://www.naralva.org http://www.naralva.org>
Phone: 202.973.3085
NARAL Pro-Choice Washington
info@prochoicewashington.org
http://www.prochoicewashington.org http://www.prochoicewashington.org>
Phone: 206.624.1990
Fax: 206.624.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin
info@prochoicewisconsin.org
http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/ http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/>
Phone: 608.287.0016
Fax: 608.287.0176
NARAL Pro-Choice Wyoming
naralprochoicewy@netscape.net
Phone: 307.742.9189
Fax: 307.742.9189
“It seems like on some other sites they are trying to get us(hill supporters) to unite once this is all over….this is like no other primary in my lifetime and I could never in good conscience vote for BO.”
I say, let them push for unity. Once this is over and Hillary is the nominee, they can’t go back and say that they won’t vote for her.
iowa did not move up
but mr kissass waffles wanted to impress of people of iowa and wanted to impress sd,s of iowa ,,so he removed his name from michigan ballot and did propaganda about it ,,that oh look ,,,i am giving most importance to iowa only ;;;;
he won iowa and refused the re-vote in michigan and wants 50/50 delegate of michigan saying well,,i was not even on the ballot which he chose to do that
Sonia-
call your local office and see if you can attend. If you are maxed out it shouldn’t be a problem. You are free to convince your family and friends to make a donation but you cant give them money to do so.
sonia: exactly; plus, Hillary was ahead in MI, and he did not want her to have an early victory.
EVERYONE-
THIS IS URGENT!!!
I am a supporter of NARAL and just learned through their office that will be announcing in a few hours that they are endorsing Barack Obama.
Everyone needs to call them in protest.
Call as many of these numbers as you can-and send emails—-NOW!
Pass this along to EVERYONE that will help—-LET’S GO!!!
Just some talking points of what Clinton has done for them:
-Received several national NARAL awards…
- Raised money for them
- Spoke at their march
-Led the fight on emergency contraceptives/Plan B. (to keep it safe,legal and over the counter)
NARAL Pro-Choice America
1156 15th Street, NW Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
Main Number: 202.973.3000
Main Fax: 202.973.3096
Membership Information: membership@ProChoiceAmerica.org
Director of Affiliate Development
1156 15th St, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
(202) 973-3000
field@ProChoiceAmerica.org
NARAL Pro-Choice Arizona
info@prochoicearizona.org
http://www.prochoicearizona.org “>http://www.prochoicearizona.org>
Phone: 480.834.3274
NARAL Pro-Choice California
info@prochoicecalifornia.org
http://www.prochoicecalifornia.org “>http://www.prochoicecalifornia.org>
Phone: 415.890.1020
Fax: 415.890.1025
NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado
choice@prochoicecolorado.org
http://www.prochoicecolorado.org “>http://www.prochoicecolorado.org>
Phone: 303.394.1973
Fax: 303.388.1692
NARAL Pro-Choice Connecticut
info@pro-choicect.org
http://www.pro-choicect.org/ http://www.pro-choicect.org/>
Phone: 860.524.1086
Fax: 860.524.1092
Illinois Choice Action Team
info@ilchoiceactionteam.org
http://www.ilchoiceactionteam.org “>http://www.ilchoiceactionteam.org>
NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland
info@prochoicemaryland.org
http://www.prochoicemaryland.org “>http://www.prochoicemaryland.org>
Phone: 301.565.4154
Fax: 301.588.5790
NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts
choice@prochoicemass.org
http://www.prochoicemass.org/ http://www.prochoicemass.org/>
Phone: 617.556.8800
Fax: 617.338.2532
MARAL Pro-Choice Michigan
maral@prochoicemichigan.org
http://www.prochoicemichigan.org/ http://www.prochoicemichigan.org/>
Phone: 248.242.0140
NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota
info@prochoiceminnesota.org
http://www.prochoiceminnesota.org/ http://www.prochoiceminnesota.org/>
Phone: 651.602.7655
Fax: 651.602.7658
NARAL Pro-Choice Missouri
info@prochoicemissouri.org
http://www.prochoicemissouri.org/ http://www.prochoicemissouri.org/>
Phone: 314.531.8616
Fax: 314.531.8615
NARAL Pro-Choice Montana
prochoice@mt.net
http://www.prochoicemontana.org/ http://www.prochoicemontana.org/>
Phone: 406.443.0276
Fax: 406.442.4801
NARAL Pro-Choice New Hampshire
info@prochoicenewhampshire.org
http://www.prochoicenewhampshire.org/ http://www.prochoicenewhampshire.org/>
Phone: 603.228.1224
Fax: 603.226.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice New Jersey
prochoicenj@prochoicenj.org
http://www.prochoicenj.org/ http://www.prochoicenj.org/>
Phone: 609.439.4516
Fax: 609.392.0244
NARAL Pro-Choice New Mexico
info@prochoicenewmexico.org
http://www.prochoicenewmexico.org “>http://www.prochoicenewmexico.org>
Phone: 505.243.4443
Fax: 505.243.4403
NARAL Pro-Choice New York
info@prochoiceny.org
http://www.prochoiceny.org/ http://www.prochoiceny.org/>
Phone: 212.343.0114
Fax: 212.343.0119
NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina
info@prochoicenorthcarolina.org
http://www.prochoicenorthcarolina.org/ http://www.prochoicenorthcarolina.org/>
Phone: 919.829.9779
Fax: 919.827.8779
NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio
choice@prochoiceohio.org
http://www.prochoiceohio.org/ http://www.prochoiceohio.org/>
Phone: 216.283.2180
Fax: 216.283.2184
NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon
info@prochoiceoregon.org
http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/ http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/>
Phone: 503.223.4510
Fax: 503.223.0251
NARAL Pro-Choice Pennsylvania
info@prochoicepennsylvania.org
http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/ http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/>
Phone: 215.545.4666
NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota
info@prochoicesd.org
http://www.prochoicesd.org “>http://www.prochoicesd.org>
Phone: 605.334.5065
NARAL Pro-Choice Texas
info@prochoicetexas.org
http://www.prochoicetexas.org/ http://www.prochoicetexas.org/>
Phone: 512.462.1661
Fax: 512.462.2007
NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia
info@naralva.org
http://www.naralva.org “>http://www.naralva.org>
Phone: 202.973.3085
NARAL Pro-Choice Washington
info@prochoicewashington.org
http://www.prochoicewashington.org “>http://www.prochoicewashington.org>
Phone: 206.624.1990
Fax: 206.624.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin
info@prochoicewisconsin.org
http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/ http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/>
Phone: 608.287.0016
Fax: 608.287.0176
NARAL Pro-Choice Wyoming
naralprochoicewy@netscape.net
Phone: 307.742.9189
Fax: 307.742.9189
thx
ronald
i never knew that it was not allowed
i thought it is between family ,its not bribe or stealing
but i guess thats the law
so thats why okkie was mad at me ,i get it
okkie come back , i am sorry
45 yrs old….born 1962. I remember 1980, but I was starting my first year at Univ of Florida . I came from a strong democratic family and actually supported Kennedy’s bid to win the nomination back then…Like I said, I am embarrassed that I idolized Kennedy all these yrs when in fact, he is nothing more than a fat bag of wind…
okkie
i registered to vote for the first time last yr in oct 2007 outside of a walmart
i always hated politice ,,but hillary inspired me . i was not aware of the election laws or blogging rules , i should have been more careful. i understand u r one of the senior bloggers here .
once again , i apologize for making u mad
pls come back . if u want , i will blog somewhere else , at least say something
u want my phone number ,call me ,,yell at me,,cuss at me take all anger out
i see a lot of people ,everybody misses u
pls plsplsplsplsplspls
EVERYONE-
THIS IS URGENT!!!
NARAL will be announcing in a few hours that they are endorsing Barack Obama.
Everyone needs to call them in protest.
Call as many of these numbers as you can-and send emails—-NOW!
Pass this along to EVERYONE that will help—-LET’S GO!!!
Just some talking points of what Clinton has done for them:
-Received several national NARAL awards…
- Raised money for them
- Spoke at their march
-Led the fight on emergency contraceptives/Plan B. (to keep it safe,legal and over the counter)
NARAL Pro-Choice America
1156 15th Street, NW Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
Main Number: 202.973.3000
Main Fax: 202.973.3096
Membership Information: membership@ProChoiceAmerica.org
Director of Affiliate Development
1156 15th St, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
(202) 973-3000
field@ProChoiceAmerica.org
IA, NH, NV, and SC moved up.
In 2004, IA was January 19, so January 3 was a big jump forward.
This was a link on this web site to the Wayne Barrett piece that was on HuffPost 4/3/2008, called “Could Republicans Pick the Democratic Nominee?”.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/80993
It is a thorough exposition about how FL / MI got where they are, DNC and Dean’s roles, and is a good reference document when it comes to arming yourself to the teeth with talking points.
who is naral
I wonder if the obamabots will jump at the chance to present a united front if the shoe is on the other foot?
How eager will they be for unity when Hillary shuts Obama down and becomes the nominee???
SONIA4HILLARY – NARAL is a huge pro-choice group in the U.S.
NOW endorsed Hillary, though, right?
I’m never donating to NARAL ever again for this. I’ve even volunteered for them. They are kicking a woman’s right to choose right in the teeth by doing this.
Call Naral….esp your state affiliates….hit them hard. tell them they will never get another dime from you.
JanH Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
we became this way because of the media injustice and us hill supporters getting abused by obama supp
but obama supporters are spoiled brats whose bills get paid by daddy and mommy
so so if hillary gets the ticket ,they will create 1968 chaos ..and they will get violent ,thats what i read at noquarterusa like 3 or 4 days ago -some 400,000obama supporters have already signed something stating that
and ofcourse
we have donna brazile,,martin,clyburn,al sharpton throwing more oil in that fire on national tv ,,these r important figures and even they have said that
Hillary Clinton is more pro-choice in her little pinky than Obambi is in his whole tiny brain.
let me know if you need a number of a state affiliate.
oh
i get it
obamam probabaly gave a big donation to them ,so all the women voters can look at him twice and may be move away from him
thay r stupid
kerry,kennedy,patrick all from massachsets endorsed obama and still obamam lost by 10% ,,so
so voters r not stupid ,,
WHOA – Did the site just go out for a few minutes?
Who was doing that?
check out the latest from Ben Smith
May 14, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama
Dept. of media relations
Generally frowned upon: Calling reporters “sweetie.”
The Detroit TV reporter is clearly displeased, closing her segment by saying, “This sweetie never got an answer.”
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=abdc544d-804f-4945-aab8-84d285638421
(click on the video in the upper right corner)
By Ben Smith 02:14 PM
sweetie, dont be bitter.
Yep, Obama bought that endorsement! He has bought a lot of endorsements, he is still losing the swing states. What happened I could not get on here for a couple of minutes. Guess the bots were lurking to see what we think about that endorsement. Hey, Bots it doesn’t matter a hill a beans! We women are not stupid! Pro choice is not the only reason we women are supporting Hill, you people are idiots!
For any pro choice group to endorse Obama is an affront to all the woman who fought their right to chose ….this is simply outrageous. Is this a predominantly AA organization?
can someone provide the number for Naral? I will be glad to call
Sonia,
To be fair, I do agree that some of Obama’s supporter demographics do include those in higher income brackets and some are definitely spoiled…sigh… I honestly believe that there are those who are in every income bracket and some who do not see him as the rest of us do, maybe because of race, and maybe because they just cannot accept Hillary.
The noble side of me hopes that many Obama supporters (not those who blog with hate but the many more who don’t) will go to Hillary when Obama is no longer an option.
I wonder how much money he gave the naral
JanH, I really wish people would not use the word “noble”, it makes me think of that nasty women abusing Kennedy!
I called the national and my state office. There is a special place in hell, for women who not support other women. This is an outrage and a slap in the face to Hillary and every woman out there. Obama has no history with a woman right to choose. What a shame.
Clyburn actually got the race thing going by using his influence in SC to suggest Bill had to be careful with his words..yet, he remains uncommitted..lmao!!!
LOL…confloyd…sorry about that!
I was watching the video on noquarter and I find myself agreeing completely with Sean Hannity. He said that if we are just starting right now, now that all of the negative stuff about Obama is out, Obama would not have a chance in Iowa and would not have made it to Super Tuesday.
He’s right. A lot of the folks who voted for him the earlier states are regretting their votes.
Found this on Hillary’s site
tominpaine.blogspot.com/
I know that ABM90 doesn’t like the rap (that’s okay! A lot of people don’t!) but I thought of this one as Hillary was kicking @ss last night.
—
And with the local news, Hillary Clinton with a triumphant comeback
[mumbling]
but tonite…
Don’t call it a comeback
She’s been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear
Makin the tears rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the bass go BOOM
Explosion, overpowerin
Over the competition, She’s towerin
Wreckin shop, when I drop these lyrics that’ll make you call the cops
Don’t you dare stare, you betta move
Don’t ever compare
Her to the rest that’ll all get sliced and diced
Competition’s payin the price
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
Breakdown!!!
Shadow boxin when I heard you on the radio (HUUUH!!!)
I just don’t know
What made you forget that she was raw?
But now she has a new tour
She’s goin insane, startin the hurricane, releasin pain
Lettin you know that you can’t gain, I maintain
Unless ya say her name
Rippin, killin
Diggin and drillin a hole
Pass the Ol’ Gold
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Hillary said knock you out
Here are the phone numbers
NARAL Pro-Choice America
1156 15th Street, NW Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
Main Number: 202.973.3000
Main Fax: 202.973.3096
Membership Information: membership@ProChoiceAmerica.org
Director of Affiliate Development
1156 15th St, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
(202) 973-3000
field@ProChoiceAmerica.org
NARAL is just more evidence that Obama is the insiders’ choice.
Exactly, rickya. Iowa was a million years ago, in political time. The post-Wright, post-bitter-cling-to-religion landscape has shifted dramatically. Obama’s McGovern / Dukakis-style coalition of only academics and African Americans would bring ‘72 and ‘84 style results.
I believe this endorsement is a thing like Operation Chaos. It is meant to split us apart so he can get some of our votes!
Men are running the show over at Obama inc., bc they can’t fanthom what we are all about, it’s not just pro-choice, what idiots!
NARAL shame! then again many lost faith in it yrs ago when they had no campaign to fight alito. none. not even coordianted ads targeting key senators. shameful. under keenan it has lost tis way-basically a website now. but for godsake not backing a woman for prez for some jerk who has never stood like hillary for women?
Obama is an elitist, patronizing prick, let’s face it. The “hey, sweetie” comment by him to a reporter just drives the point home.
We should also call state affiliates, I just had a long talk with the exec director of MA. Who needs a number for a state?
Pretty pathetic.
At this point endorsements by organizations do not matter, what matters is SD endorsements.
Plural wrote:
IA, NH, NV, and SC moved up.
—
EXACTLY. The Donna Brazile – Howard Dean pro-Obama cabal over at the DNC had no problem with those states, because they thought Obama could win them.
Meanwhile, Obama never had a PRAYER of winning Michigan (lots of working-class white voters, his weakness) and he never had a PRAYER of winning Florida (lots of senior citizens and Latinos, more weaknesses) so they tried to disenfranchise those states’ voters. Could it be ANY MORE OBVIOUS?! Leave it to CNN and big media to miss the entire story, per usual.
more on how naral screwed women over-www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/donating-to-naral-is-not-going-to-help-protect-a-womans-right-to-choice/
rjk1957 – I don’t know about that. And endorsement of Hillary Clinton by Al Gore or John Edwards could sway some other SDs yet.
hallow, rjk said “organization.” Al Gore and Edwards are not organizations.
hallow,
Al Gore is a SD and Edwards missed his opportunity unless it comes down to his 18 delegates at the convention.
URGENT ALERT: Contact NARAL TODAY!!
We heard that NARAL intends to endorse Barack Obama without having consulted their state chapters. Please call the national NARAL office (202-973-3000) and your state chapters to find out if this is true.
Please reply back to us if you find out any news.
NARAL Pro-Choice America affiliate
Contact Info:
Director of Affiliate Development
1156 15th St, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
(202) 973-3000
field@ProChoiceAmerica.org
NARAL Pro-Choice Arizona
info@prochoicearizona.org
http://www.prochoicearizona.org
Phone: 480.834.3274
NARAL Pro-Choice California
info@prochoicecalifornia.org
http://www.prochoicecalifornia.org
Phone: 415.890.1020
Fax: 415.890.1025
NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado
choice@prochoicecolorado.org
http://www.prochoicecolorado.org
Phone: 303.394.1973
Fax: 303.388.1692
NARAL Pro-Choice Connecticut
info@pro-choicect.org
http://www.pro-choicect.org/
Phone: 860.524.1086
Fax: 860.524.1092
Illinois Choice Action Team
info@ilchoiceactionteam.org
http://www.ilchoiceactionteam.org
NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland
info@prochoicemaryland.org
http://www.prochoicemaryland.org
Phone: 301.565.4154
Fax: 301.588.5790
NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts
choice@prochoicemass.org
http://www.prochoicemass.org/
Phone: 617.556.8800
Fax: 617.338.2532
MARAL Pro-Choice Michigan
maral@prochoicemichigan.org
http://www.prochoicemichigan.org/
Phone: 248.242.0140
NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota
info@prochoiceminnesota.org
http://www.prochoiceminnesota.org/
Phone: 651.602.7655
Fax: 651.602.7658
NARAL Pro-Choice Missouri
info@prochoicemissouri.org
http://www.prochoicemissouri.org/
Phone: 314.531.8616
Fax: 314.531.8615
NARAL Pro-Choice Montana
prochoice@mt.net
http://www.prochoicemontana.org/
Phone: 406.443.0276
Fax: 406.442.4801
NARAL Pro-Choice New Hampshire
info@prochoicenewhampshire.org
http://www.prochoicenewhampshire.org/
Phone: 603.228.1224
Fax: 603.226.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice New Jersey
prochoicenj@prochoicenj.org
http://www.prochoicenj.org/
Phone: 609.439.4516
Fax: 609.392.0244
NARAL Pro-Choice New Mexico
info@prochoicenewmexico.org
http://www.prochoicenewmexico.org
Phone: 505.243.4443
Fax: 505.243.4403
NARAL Pro-Choice New York
info@prochoiceny.org
http://www.prochoiceny.org/
Phone: 212.343.0114
Fax: 212.343.0119
NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina
info@prochoicenorthcarolina.org
http://www.prochoicenorthcarolina.org/
Phone: 919.829.9779
Fax: 919.827.8779
NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio
choice@prochoiceohio.org
http://www.prochoiceohio.org/
Phone: 216.283.2180
Fax: 216.283.2184
NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon
info@prochoiceoregon.org
http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/
Phone: 503.223.4510
Fax: 503.223.0251
NARAL Pro-Choice Pennsylvania
info@prochoicepennsylvania.org
http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/
Phone: 215.545.4666
NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota
info@prochoicesd.org
http://www.prochoicesd.org
Phone: 605.334.5065
NARAL Pro-Choice Texas
info@prochoicetexas.org
http://www.prochoicetexas.org/
Phone: 512.462.1661
Fax: 512.462.2007
NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia
info@naralva.org
http://www.naralva.org
Phone: 202.973.3085
NARAL Pro-Choice Washington
info@prochoicewashington.org
http://www.prochoicewashington.org
Phone: 206.624.1990
Fax: 206.624.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin
info@prochoicewisconsin.org
http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/
Phone: 608.287.0016
Fax: 608.287.0176
NARAL Pro-Choice Wyoming
naralprochoicewy@netscape.net
Phone: 307.742.9189
Fax: 307.742.9189
TOGETHER, WE WILL WIN!
I thought anne kornblut was like dead and buried and then i look up and see her back on MSNBC! ewwwww!!!!
According to the Page, Edwards is “ready to choose, ready to Hope”…so?
Al Gore and Edwards will never endorse hillary ever! They are so vile at this point! I love Gore but he as you know does not like the clintons!
mj: so it is Obama. No surprise there.
Isn’t NARAL an organization of LOBBYISTS?
I read Edwards is in Michigan today, so is Obama! What is you alls take on that bit of information?
Have we got any new sd’s today?
Anyone familiar with my posts know I don’t think much of Edwards. He’s an opportunist. He’s about as populist as John McCain is making himself out to be.
I like Elizabeth, but her husband is an ambitious creep. It would not surprise me if he endorsed BO. In fact, it’s what I had always anticipated.
Unfortunately, Edwards may be able to sway his supporters behind BO. Whatever I may think of him, he’s well-loved by his supporters.
Edwards may be waiting to see what happens with MI and FL. He does not want to endorse the loser in this race and is waiting so he ends up on the winning side.
Well, I have taken my vacation for the convention and I will be happy for a floor fight! We will not be beaten in to submission!
Agreed..Gore a Clinton hater via his former campaign manager Brazile…Edwards, unlike his wife, is a coward going with the winner. Bo has somehow been able to line up SD’s in a manner to come out when he most needs them…Hillary, god bless her, has had trouble convincing the undecided to go with her. I believe the Sd’s are being manipulated and caustioned by the party elders not to rock the Obama float ….
rjk, the man has no integrity. It’s always about what’s in it for John.
confloyd…….I have been telling my hubby that me and canon (camera) are heading for denver in august
I haven’t made reservations, I figure they are pretty locked up by now, so it will be me and my truck LOL
but oh so worth it!!
as we get closer to convention……we will have to set up a Hillaryis44 meet up in Denver !!
filbertsf, I have not liked John Edwards since before I didn’t like Bambi! I thought Johnnyboy was a little nasty to Hillary during the debates. It is so apparent that he is an opportunist it not even funny! He is a loser just like Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle and Gore! He is just trying to ride the coattails of a real winner in the WH. He only cares about himself!
djia, yeah I for that! It’ll be me and my truck too. Probably have to stay further away from the center in order to get a room now, might even have to camp out!LOL! Whatever, we have to do, we will all do!
filbert…..
I was a JRE supporter…….and i am on the fence as of now how i feel about him……that aside
I think his supporters split pretty evenly 3 ways between HRC and BHO and those that are still committed to JRE
the women have mostly went for HRC big time. (especially at my county convention) I don’t think we have much to
fear from his supporters tipping the scale so much to make a huge difference…..BO still needs to win women over as we are the largest voting block there is!!! and we are nearly 80% in hillary’s camp and not going anywhere! …just my 2 cents.
Well if we can get that sweety momment out to the public that would do wonders on his female votes or his cell phone in the pants joke! Any news on Tony Rezko yet?
confloyd….hubby and i stayed at a campground in colorado springs that was very nice
it was at this campground about 30 mins away from denver……… http://www.maymuseum-camp-rvpark.com/rvpark.htm
naral wont survive finanially their decision-make sure they know-
NARAL’s donations will dry up from at least half the population of this country. I’m not a member, nor do I give (this endorsement is just one reason I don’t, because I don’t trust these women), but plenty of women I know do.
Get on the phone: Nancy Keenan, 202-973-3000. Email.
NARAL Pro-Choice America affiliate Contact Info:
Director of Affiliate Development
1156 15th St, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005
(202) 973-3000
field@ProChoiceAmerica.org
NARAL Pro-Choice Arizona
info@prochoicearizona.org
http://www.prochoicearizona.org
Phone: 480.834.3274
NARAL Pro-Choice California
info@prochoicecalifornia.org
http://www.prochoicecalifornia.org
Phone: 415.890.1020
Fax: 415.890.1025
NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado
choice@prochoicecolorado.org
http://www.prochoicecolorado.org
Phone: 303.394.1973
Fax: 303.388.1692
NARAL Pro-Choice Connecticut
info@pro-choicect.org
http://www.pro-choicect.org/
Phone: 860.524.1086
Fax: 860.524.1092
Illinois Choice Action Team
info@ilchoiceactionteam.org
http://www.ilchoiceactionteam.org
NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland
info@prochoicemaryland.org
http://www.prochoicemaryland.org
Phone: 301.565.4154
Fax: 301.588.5790
NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts
choice@prochoicemass.org
http://www.prochoicemass.org/
Phone: 617.556.8800
Fax: 617.338.2532
MARAL Pro-Choice Michigan
maral@prochoicemichigan.org
http://www.prochoicemichigan.org/
Phone: 248.242.0140
NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota
info@prochoiceminnesota.org
http://www.prochoiceminnesota.org/
Phone: 651.602.7655
Fax: 651.602.7658
NARAL Pro-Choice Missouri
info@prochoicemissouri.org
http://www.prochoicemissouri.org/
Phone: 314.531.8616
Fax: 314.531.8615
NARAL Pro-Choice Montana
prochoice@mt.net
http://www.prochoicemontana.org/
Phone: 406.443.0276
Fax: 406.442.4801
NARAL Pro-Choice New Hampshire
info@prochoicenewhampshire.org
http://www.prochoicenewhampshire.org/
Phone: 603.228.1224
Fax: 603.226.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice New Jersey
prochoicenj@prochoicenj.org
http://www.prochoicenj.org/
Phone: 609.439.4516
Fax: 609.392.0244
NARAL Pro-Choice New Mexico
info@prochoicenewmexico.org
http://www.prochoicenewmexico.org
Phone: 505.243.4443
Fax: 505.243.4403
NARAL Pro-Choice New York
info@prochoiceny.org
http://www.prochoiceny.org/
Phone: 212.343.0114
Fax: 212.343.0119
NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina
info@prochoicenorthcarolina.org
http://www.prochoicenorthcarolina.org/
Phone: 919.829.9779
Fax: 919.827.8779
NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio
choice@prochoiceohio.org
http://www.prochoiceohio.org/
Phone: 216.283.2180
Fax: 216.283.2184
NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon
info@prochoiceoregon.org
http://www.prochoiceoregon.org/
Phone: 503.223.4510
Fax: 503.223.0251
NARAL Pro-Choice Pennsylvania
info@prochoicepennsylvania.org
http://www.prochoicepennsylvania.org/
Phone: 215.545.4666
NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota
info@prochoicesd.org
http://www.prochoicesd.org
Phone: 605.334.5065
NARAL Pro-Choice Texas
info@prochoicetexas.org
http://www.prochoicetexas.org/
Phone: 512.462.1661
Fax: 512.462.2007
NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia
info@naralva.org
http://www.naralva.org
Phone: 202.973.3085
NARAL Pro-Choice Washington
info@prochoicewashington.org
http://www.prochoicewashington.org
Phone: 206.624.1990
Fax: 206.624.4505
NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin
info@prochoicewisconsin.org
http://www.prochoicewisconsin.org/
Phone: 608.287.0016
Fax: 608.287.0176
NARAL Pro-Choice Wyoming
naralprochoicewy@netscape.net
Phone: 307.742.9189
Fax: 307.742.9189
thx djia, that sure is an option.
djia, Wow, that looks like a great place! Its very pretty! I don’t think the recreate68 crowd would go over there to get at us in the night! I liked it and I love to camp, so maybe we will do it!
It’s times like these when you know who your friends really are. Even if Hillary doesn’t get the nom, I think Judas comes out looking pretty bad. Rahm Emanuel — who I thought was as loyal to the Clintons as one can get — is another disappointment. Although he hasn’t endorsed, it’s that lack of loyalty which has surprised me.
You guys know that Rahm was Bill’s protege, right?
I remember watching Rahm on Charlie Rose and he said basically said Bill was his political godfather.
# Berkeley Vox Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Obama is an elitist, patronizing prick, let’s face it. The “hey, sweetie” comment by him to a reporter just drives the point home.
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He sed wha? That is so George Bush, with the nicknames. I bet he thinks it sounds charming. “From now on, you Obama Chi name is….”.
His nickname could be: Smokey.
confloyd……I just sent them an email inquiring on reservations for that week in august……will let you know what i hear back
it is a beautiful campground…. here are some pictures i took of it while there
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this is of the garden of the gods…..its with in 20 mins or less
h t t p : / / s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/djohnson63/garden%20of%20the%20gods/
as is Pikes Peak
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I am reading the comments at TM and they are saying that national NARAL did not consult with their state affiliates and didn’t even notify them about the endorsement. And that the affiliates are angry about it.
EMILY’s List president Ellen R. Malcolm says in a press release:
“I think it is tremendously disrespectful to Sen. Clinton – who held up the nomination of a FDA commissioner in order to force approval of Plan B and who spoke so eloquently during the Supreme Court nomination about the importance of protecting Roe vs. Wade – to not give her the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process. It certainly must be disconcerting for elected leaders who stand up for reproductive rights and expect the choice community will stand with them.”
Wait. Was the huge Novak dirt thing on BHO coming out today just a rumor? Or is that still happening?
I really don’t think the NARAL endorsement is a big deal — like RJK said, organizational endorsements aren’t important at this point.
However, I really am bewildered as to why they would endorse BO over Hillary. Hillary, the woman who has championed the women’s right to choose for decades.
This whole Primary doesn’t make sense to me. What is it about Obama that they see? I’m not getting it.
Rush broke it first shannity glennbeck have been on radio all day hammering bo lol….go to hannitys radio show rev..manning is on
Coming at the end of the primaries and right after a blowout victory by Hillary, it seems pretty obvious that this is an insider endorsement, having to do with money and playing the lobbying game in DC.
Rush broke what?
I was just over at oped news, I read about a huge SD that went to OBAMA, I think its a lie, but I will not say who it was on the big pink. Chris Rice is saying who it is! Go to OpEd news and it talks about a superdelegate that endorsed today! Its quiet shocking, but I think it is a lie!
I will compile a list of members here that would like to make plans to go out to denver in august
and with that list hopefully we can connect up and ride share and room/tent share even
so if you would like to let me know you can send an email to me at luvcowboys63 at yahoo dot com
it’s basically my spam email folder LOL!! but if you put hillaryis44 in the subject line i will notice it much easier
note: i don’t check it but once a day so be patient i will get back to you
BO saves up endorsements like this for when the headlines turn against him. He probably bought off NARAL weeks ago in anticipation of losing WV.
Still, the time for a NARAL endorsement to count is LONG gone. Most NARAL supporters have decided and Im guessing they are for Hillary. Actions speak louder than words.
At this point, the swing voters are the hard working, blue collar, mostly white (sorry its not a dirty word), middle class voters.- like the people he wouldn’t talk to in Michigan when “sweetie” asked hima question. A NARAL endorsement might actually backfire on him at this point and is more ammunition for the repubs.
A powerful tool (and maybe the only one that would work) to sway the SDs at this point would be if some reputable national poll group would go back to the states who voted prior to the Wright, bitter gun/religion, terrorist connection information came out and ask just two questions:
“Knowing what you know now about Democratic Candidate Barack Obama, would you still cast your vote for him in the G.E.? Would you have cast your vote for him in your state primary?”
Rev. Manning video! Vote it up!
Trinity of Hell!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0
gateway.andohs.net/player/default_noax.aspx?nid=2920&sid=826
use http listen here
Senator Robert C. Byrd
300 Virginia Street East
Suite 2630
Charleston, WV 25301
304-342-5855
call en mass to Senator Byrd. Tell him that WVA spoke OVERWHELMINGLY in who they want their nominee to be to represent them. Be polite and ask for his support
way to go hallow now tell ann..lol
In that video, Rev. Manning says that Rev. Wright and BHO are closet homosexuals!!
I don’t think the Manning comment is going to hurt Obama. I think it is going to be a call in arms to his supporters to defend him left and right and denounce Wright. All this does is take the media in the wrong direction (and they don’t need that excuse) instead of focusing on Obama’s weaknesses. It takes Hillary’s win yesterday out of the loop.
I hope I am wrong.
you guys
cnn has a blog on hillary
pls blog and leave comments
it says ,,hillary chocked up while talking about chelsea ,,,,,,
but obamabots r being mean in comments
so pls leave comments
are u saying byrd is backing obama?
hallow, I wish you wouldn’t post such silly things. It really doesn’t do us any good.
sonia, the bots are mean thru and thru and thats why I am not voting for him if he is the democrat!
filbertsf is right.
what a waste of time.
no the sd is not Byrd. someone that would be worse, way worse
This is what I meant earlier. Novak puts out some story that Hillary has dirt on Obama. Then Rush floats junk, and they hope Hillary gets blamed.
It’s all meant to distract.
filbertsf –
I saw it on hillaryclintonforum.net , and it got a lot of replies there. I thought it was the big thing…they were talking about it on Rush Limbaugh.
I’m sorry. I wasn’t trying to be “silly”.
confloyd: can I guess?
confloyd, it’s not Al Gore or Edwards, is it?
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=11266
That is where they were talking about the video. I thought you’d want to know about it. Never mind.
Robert c byrd is in washington he is not available but the number is 202-224-3954 just leave a message and tell the phone person why he should support clinton!
Gore /Edwards are only big names left …..both will go with Obama imo.
I don’t understand why Carville is saying this kind of stuff. The last thing we need is for Hillary’s closest supporters to be making unsupportive comments. Maybe we should all email Carville and let him know that he needs to say something nice or not say anything at all.
hallow. exactly. never mind.
confloyd, it is Al Gore, isn’t it?
No, I wish there was a private way, cause its apparently in Chris Rice’s diary. I think it a bot lie. Its someone very very very close to Hillary!
Genghis Khan could come back and endorse him and it wouldn’t change my mind.
I don’t want to make a big deal about it cause it has to be a bot lie. Go to opednews and you’ll find it!
who the hell is it! Im dying here!
The last time Pastor Manning talked about Obama, he said that Obama’s mother and father were never legally married, and then that turned out to be true. BHO really is a “bastard”.
There are not that many left “close” to Hillary..Carville, Begalia, Wesley Clark, Bayh, Tubbs, Jackson and a few others…
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Carville is 100% a Clinton devotee. That being said, he is also a democrat. He is not saying anything that Hillary hasn’t already said. Both have stated on more that one occasion that they will support whoever becomes the democratic candidate. Fingers crossed that it is Hillary.
jbstonesfan – And 272 or so superdelegates. And all of us. Stop being such a negative nancy.
His email is james@carville.info — Here’s what I sent:
Mr. Carville,
I understand that this race has been going on for a long time, and we appreciate your support of Hillary. The media, however, has been playing up your remarks suggesting that Obama is probably going to win and that you have a check waiting for him. While Sen. Obama may win in the end, it is extremely counterproductive for you to suggest so right now. We need to rally around Hillary in this her time of need. Please remember that the media will cherrypick what you say to fit their agenda. We do not need another Judas in one of her closest supporters. Please be supportive of Hillary and keep all other comments to YOURSELF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Sean Hannity is going to be talking about Pastor Manning on his story too. They obviously think the story could have legs.
hallow Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
hey r u ok??
u seem mad today.??
u never talk like that . nobody is going to listen to manning , he is been saying these things for forever . in one of his videos he said what i would bever say ,,he was saying obama,s mom is white ,,and he used the word that randi rhodes used ,,,,,
so ignore manning . he is nobody,s best friend ,he is like rush lim,,,
jbstonesfan — that is why these people’s betrayal is all the worse
So maybe it isn’t all “silly”.
confloyd that diary is SNARK
i would wish ,manning had some proof ,,,i would love it more than anybody
but manning has insulted white women too ,,so i don,t know
hallow. seriously. shut up.
http://www.hannity.com/article.asp?id=397001
manning up next
Connie, I went over there to find that tease you dumped on us and I didn’t find it, now you mustn’t do this to us — it’s very naughty! Give a hint at least — in fact, even if you suspect it is a joke, a lie, whatever, you’ re on record saying so and we can all toss it off –pulleez!
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/shocker-michele-obama-is-race-obsessed-2
Michelle Obama’s senior year thesis at Princeton University, obtained from the campaign by Politico, shows a document written by a young woman grappling with a society in which a black Princeton alumnus might only be allowed to remain “on the periphery.”
filbertsf – You have no right to tell me to shut up.
I am a proud Hillary supporter like you are. You have no power over me, and you DO NOT tell me when to shut up.
Christ, I’m leaving here. I’ll be back tomorrow. I don’t have to take this crap from you or anybody else.
I really did not know it was a lie, but I certainly did not believe it! It’s BC!
hallow. finally.
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/michelle-obama-lags-due-to-inferiority-complex
Wife: Obama Lags Due To Inferiority Complex
Lil Ole Grape
there is no HUGE SD story………that article over on op-ednews was SNARK!!!
and so glad it wasn’t said out loud here.
Screw you, filbertsf.
Bye.
confloyd… as in Bill Clinton? LOL.
BC BC BC …all I can think of is Big Dawg and that’s certainly not it…???
sonia, what i have found out is that no one believes a thing on the candidate they support. I found out last night my co-worker is for the “the one”. He believes the stupid hope and change speech, he’s too ignorant to realized every candidate since george washington has used the hope and change speech. What an idiot! I guess some people in those last remaining states have not made up their mind and how thats possible I freaking don’t know!
Come on, Con — spit it out
You know, are they trying to push all Hillary supporters to McCain? It sure seems that way. This is unbelievable. So many people have stabbed Hillary in the back. Karma is a bitch.
lil ole grape, that’s what the diary of chris rice says! It said he had been mulling over it for months!
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-church-published-pro-hezbollah-articles
title speaks for itself
confloyd…as if…lol…not in a million years!
con, you do realize how silly that sounds, don’t you? who is this chris rice and why should anyone believe what he says?
I can’t believe we’re dignifying that story by actually discussing it.
Sonia,
Thanks for the link, but that was reported months ago.
So somebody named Chis Rice is a freaking looney splashing slop around. Well, thanks for the tip — any sight of that name is ticket to looneyville.
IT’S SNARK!!!
I have hard time sometimes recognizing snark, but believe me it’s snark……if it wasn’t it would be all over the MSM non stop
confloyd Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
sonia,
thats true …
but we here r not like that ,,,but may be ,we get emotional sometimes
JanH Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Sonia,
hey i just found it today through tm
sorry for duplicacy
emotional? us? tsk tsk tsk — well, we had a bit of fun, con
That BC story has to be a joke, lol.
BTW, we shouldn’t be surprised if Edwards endorses Waffes. He wants a job in the next president’s administration, and he assumes Obama is getting the nomination.
Yes, I told you guys the BOTs are dellusional and are liars to boot. That’s the kind of crap that gets circulated and some poor unsuspecting sole will believe it.
paster manning on hannity right now…..says he has proof!!
solid rock proof
won’t demonstrate it today…….but brings up that he was right about BO mother and father when everyone said he was
outrageous & lying.
says oprah is nothing but a closeted black nationalist!
says to hannity that he has 1 million percent proof! isn’t worried about being sued
said he will come out with that proof at the right opportunity.
what r u guys talking about
tell me too
what bc story .pls………..
The great irony, confloyd, is that had you not posted it here, none of us would have known about it. Would you say you’re a purveyor of that rumor you are now dismissing?
That pastor guy sounds pretty nuts to me.
Why has no one questioned Kennedy for his insulting remarks? Hillary graciously greeted him in the senate after he endorsed Obama..why is he allowed to say these things without recourse???
djia Says:
well i hope so
but whats the right opportunity when obama offers 1 million dollars to his church and then he be gone to africa forever
what the hell is he waiting for
edwards to back obama at 6pm in mi says marc ambinder
birdgal, and even though everyone stabs her in the back, she is still loyal to the party. On CNN she said to vote Obama over McCain because McCain would be worse. It’s just amazing that after the endless parade of Judas after Judas she still is loyal to the party. I don’t know how she gets up every day and carries on the way she does. She’s so brave.
he might sound nuts……but think about things…..
first the gay choir director is murdered
second: larry sinclair comes out with gay sex and drug story
third : pastor manning is saying that BO and Rev Wright are closet homosexuals
hmmmm looks to be a pattern to me!!
and we all know that BO is a liar!
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/obama_calls_female_reporter_sw.html
Why did Sen. Barack Obama refer to a reporter during a Michigan campaign stop as “sweetie?”
Was it an attempt by the Democratic presidential candidate to show his affinity for blue-collar folks by attempting to sound like a waitress at a diner?
Oh well. We knew it was coming and now it has.
texan4hillary Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
edwards to back obama at 6pm in mi says marc ambinder
WTF??
Rev Manning was on Hannity’s talk show. Claims that he has proof and come out with it at later time. i think he is a real distraction. He is weird.
Shame on Edwards. He waited this long, why couldn’t he wait until the convention?
Oh I get it, I bet this was one of O’s endorsements that he held on to for the right moment, i.e. Hillary gets a huge win and he starts piling on her again so he gets the positive news cycle. What a disappointment he has become.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/clinton_the_real_thing_gov_say.html
Rendell says Obama shouldn’t settle for a Clinton supporter.
“If Sen. Obama becomes our nominee and he wants . . . someone to carry the Clinton banner,” Rendell tells CNN, “there’s no question in my mind they should ask Hillary Clinton to be that candidate.”
Would she accept? The Pennsylvania governor, one of the Clinton family’s closest advisers, says he’s not sure.
“I don’t know whether she would accept,” Rendell said. “I don’t know whether he would do it. But don’t settle for . . . a Clinton supporter. You’ve got the real thing, someone who has energized voters.”
Funny how all the democratic presidential losers back Obama. Hmmm….speaking of “patterns”…
Hillary worked much harder to get Edwards’ endorsement than Waffles did, but what else is new? Edwards’ endorsement won’t suddenly make Waffles more appealing to blue-collar voters.
BTW, I guess Edwards isn’t as interested in universal health care as he claimed to be.
Tennessee automatic delegate endorses Hillary:
hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7699
I need a drink and it’s only 1:30PM
A good night for Hillary is always followed by some bad news the next day. It’s become a pattern.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/give_clinton_respect_emily_say.html
Now fires back Ellen R. Malcom, president of EMILY’s List, which tries to elect pro-choice Democratic women to office.
“I think it is tremendously disrespectful to Sen. Clinton . . . to not give her the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process,” Malcom says. “It certainly must be disconcerting for elected leaders who stand up for reproductive rights and expect the choice community will stand with them.”
filbertsf Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
THATS WHAT OBAMA IS GOOD AT
ok-ambinder speculates it is edwards-
http://www.marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/obama_campaign_touts_big_endor.php
why in the hell cant hillary get something like this after such a win? im damn tired of this thing
tabbylady Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
birdgal, and even though everyone stabs her in the back, she is still loyal to the party. On CNN she said to vote Obama over McCain because McCain would be worse. It’s just amazing that after the endless parade of Judas after Judas she still is loyal to the party. I don’t know how she gets up every day and carries on the way she does. She’s so brave.
That is one of the many reasons that I admire and respect her so much; she has courage.
I would bet that Eliz Edwards will be the next to endorse and she will come out for hillary
and we all know that Elizabeth is a much bigger endorsement than John….hate to say it but she is !!
everyone loves elizabeth! and she sides with hillary!!
obama holds big news ,,,waits when he is loosing , he flashes his good news
first he criticizes clintons and admires reagan ,,
but needed, he will say ,,oh i will do like bill clinton did ,,i have the kind of support that bill did…
oh bill released the weatherman , so if he is my friend ,,its not my fault ,,,
oh bill invited wright to tea for 1 hr but its not my fault that i was with him for 20 yrs
birdgal……she’s loyal to the party because She and Bill …ARE THE PARTY!!!
Knowing what I know about NC and its people, I finally realize why I hate John Edwards.
Hillary survived all of the Kennedys, Richardson, Dodds… she’ll survive Edwards. It’ll be cool if Elizabeth endorsed her. But that’s not going to happen. She and John are a team.
djia Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
sorry to break ur heart
but money buys everything
and political benefits and political future is what obama is threatening everyone with along with checks in his hands
Listen the more this happens, obama getting supers after huge wins for clinton will only piss more people off and make damn sure not to vote for him if he wins! This looks nasty when someone comes out after a victory for Clinton just plain out nasty. IM DOING BOLD BECAUSE I NEED EVERYONE TO SEE THIS PLEASE MAKE SURE TO WRITE TO CARVILLE! james@carville.info for his way of turning his back on hillary!
I don’t know what I’m going to do if Obama wins this nomination.
Hillary says on Drudge that she “is going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama.” Honestly I think it’s going to be a disaster either way. I don’t know if she is saying this for party loyalty or what. I may just write her name in.
when is all this Rezko crap going to start sticking to Obama?????
winhillary: These people are not endorsing Obama after his spectacular losses. Obama keeps these endorsements in a dark cupboard waiting his next humiliating defeat. Then he brings them out the next day to keep the inevitability narrative alive and well. It’s tedious, and it’s transparent, but the media falls for it week after week. Why? Because it’s a fairy tale they can believe in.
Obama, Clinton agree to DNC fundraising agreement
Posted: 03:30 PM ET
From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand
Howard Dean is the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Democratic Party has reached an unusual joint fundraising agreement with both its remaining presidential candidates, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
The agreement, announced Wednesday, creates a new entity, the “Democratic White House Victory Fund” — a move which will allow both candidates to fundraise for the cash-strapped Democratic National Committee, and to help shoulder some of their primary and general election expenses. John McCain has already created his own Victory Fund with the Republican National Committee – but those funds are usually created after a nominee has been decided.
Obama and the DNC had come to an agreement several weeks ago.
“In signing this agreement, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are demonstrating their commitment to unifying our party and ensuring that we have the resources needed to win the White House, no matter who the nominee is,” said DNC Chairman Howard Dean in a statement. The message is clear. Democrats are unified to put a Democrat back in the White House so we can get our economy back on track, bring our troops home and finally do something about our ailing health care system.”
Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton
U KNOW WHAT ,,,I DON,T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ..this woman is the greatest of all , why she is so nice why she did not slap dean,s face
edwards endorsement means nothing but another sd count. he packs no power and it’s obvious he is angling for something for himself.
I am hearing a huge groundswell of anger from core Democrats. Everyone I talk with is talking about how the “elite” of the party is turning on Hillary and Bill. There anger is real and I hear enough talk of abandonment of the party and a protest vote in November. They can weather through worse storms than what has been the last 8 years. And they are very afraid of what the party plans with an obama presidency. This is real and I don’t care how many new voters he brings in .. they will feel the backlash come november if they continue on this path.
msm is not reporting the endorsement
winhillary Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Listen the more this happens, obama getting supers after huge wins for clinton will only piss more people off and make damn sure not to vote for him if he wins! This looks nasty when someone comes out
He probably had them already lined up. When he loses he use these endorsement, They come out to make him look good, They are all paid.
Can’t stand him. I keep telling you guys this man is the anti christ. What is the saying they will sell their souls for a piece of silver?
Edwards is a player and he played both sides of the street. I hope people will realize he is an empty suit just like OBAma!
Got to go to work, sorry Filbertsf, i shoulda thought before i typed, I do try to be careful with what I say.
I want to weigh in on some of what is happening and scheduled to happen, it seems, today and going forward:
1. Edwards:
I like Edwards, but he is being opportunistic. I understand it, and he has to do what is right for himself. I don’t like what he’s doing but I’m not going to get too bent out of shape about it either. They guy can’t even deliver his own state, he’s not going to save O’Humpty with white voters.
2. Fundraising combo-thing with HRC/BHO/DNC — Still need to hear the particulars. Sounds like a shrewd decision by HRC to both get some of her debt taken care of as well as look like a ‘team player.’ I’m not thrilled about it, but it is not necessarily the worst overall move for HRC, either. Still need to know the details.
3. Overall battle plans —
There are two things which concern me as a Dem, and they both dovetail together.
A. Help HRC get elected
B. Stop BHO from being elected
What this means, in practical purposes, is that when and if the time comes to shift from a nomination to a general election strategy which does not directly involve HRC, I will be prepared to do that. Thus would begin the ‘extended primary’ strategy which not only would go through November but also until the next election cycle.
The key here is to understand what we are fighting for and against. We are not fighting against Democrats being elected, we are fighting for the fabric of our party. Should Obama and his acolytes be rewarded for a campaign of outright race-baiting elitism, the consequences for the long-term viability of our party would be disastrous. To paraphrase Lincoln, you cannot race-bait all the people all the time, particularly when you are attempting to make approximately 89% of the electorate buy into what is a fatally-flawed concept.
Every campaign has its vicissitudes. This contest is no different. We have to be able to accept and roll with the perceived setbacks just as we cheered like crazy last night as Obama suffered his worst outing of the contest.
The bottom line is to make sure this man loses in November, if it comes to that. That is my bottom line, anyways. And it will remain so until the election is completed, either the primary or the general.
So even though the Elitist Triad of Obamas/Effete Dem Leadership/MSM is throwing bombs our way like they are all Billy Ayers, the most useful mindset to take is that of the long-range. This is something which many of our Asian brothers and sisters often seem better able to conceive than are many Americans raised on the “American Idol”/instant gratification culture.
In summary: Stay strong, stay focused and don’t allow your opponent to dictate the terms. Read some Sun-Tzu, Confucius or other thinkers of this vein if you feel the need.
We still have a long road ahead of us. Nothing has changed in that regard. Think strategically and act consistently and we can still end up where we — and the country and the party — need to be.
*thumbs up*
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
The DNC has turned their backs on the core democrats, and that will be a mistake they will pay for in November. Iam voting for McCain not becuse I like him, it’s because I dislike Obama more.
Jas: Amen.
If it is Edwards, I wonder why the Obama campaign hasn’t leaked it all over creation. You’d think they’d be shouting it from the rooftops.
Jas: Yes.
The party is leaving the majority of its members, as the voting among registered Dems during this contest shows.
There is no way around that conclusion. This is a controlled coup against both the Clintons and the majority of the party in order to serve the interests of a cadre of jealous presidential-wannabe elites and a decided minority of both our party and the national electorate, AA’s.
As I have said in various forums throughout the contest, not only am I not racist but the two most important father figures in my life were both AA men. I have no problem with either African-Americans or African-American leadership. MLK is one of my heroes.
This is not about race, it is about cynical race-baiting and the elevation of an empty vessel and his ingrate of a wife in the service of both the jealous, Clinton-hating Dem elite and the assembly of corporate and multi-national interests who view Obama as a puppetmaster looks upon his version of Pinocchio. This is not about BHO any more than his not being a worthy representative of the party. It is, in truth, about those malicious interests who are the wolves in the Obama clothing. They are the danger here, for both the party and the country.
Paul F. Villarreal
VillarrealSports.com
Universal Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
This is a controlled coup against both the Clintons and the majority of the party in order to serve the interests of a cadre of jealous presidential-wannabe elites and a decided minority of both our party and the national electorate, AA’s.
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So true but so very sad. What has the Democratic Party come to?
Saw this from one of the bloggers on Hillary’s site
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WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton can agree on one thing — they want their party to have more money, no matter who is the nominee.
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The Democratic National Committee announced Wednesday that it had signed agreements with both campaigns to begin raising money together.
As part of the agreement, donors can contribute up to $33,100 to the newly created Democratic White House Victory Fund. Most of the money will benefit whichever candidate becomes the nominee.
Officials at the DNC said Chairman Howard Dean has been working with both campaigns on the idea since February.
At the end of March, the DNC had $5.3 million in the bank, compared to $31 million for the Republican National Committee.
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I hope my money i donated to Hillary is not going to the DNC If so i am done donating
there is a pattern that everytime BHO loses big, he will get the so called big endorsement to get positive news coverage.
he could not win by working hard but by affirmation.
Four former Kentucky governors endorse Hillary…
hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7701
according to Robert Novak:
“Nevertheless, Clinton loyalists insist that the race may not be over. They say Sen. Clinton is a very “tight&